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A friend of mine recently commented that if the current trend to reduce the study of history in schools to easily digestible politically correct soundbites that are being successfully pushed by social justice warriors continues, we will soon be limited to discussing how horrible slavery was, the Stonewall Inn riots and the so-called holocaust. Indeed, it seems that those who complain the loudest are the only ones listened to and no one complains more often or at greater volume than American Jewish groups intent on preserving the benefits that are derived from always being able to claim their perpetual victimhood.

Recent media accounts from Florida detail how low pandering to Israeli and Jewish interests can go. A high school principal identified as Dr. Willian Latson was removed from his position after he revealed to a parent that he considered the holocaust to be a belief and not a demonstrated fact. According to statement made by the school district, the action was taken “out of an abundance of concern” for students and staff after Latson had “made a grave error in judgment.” It added that “In addition to being offensive, the principal’s statement is not supported by either the School District Administration or the School Board.”

The story took place in the School District of Palm Beach County. Latson, now the ex-principal of Spanish River High School in West Palm Beach, presided over his school in a heavily Jewish district that includes Boca Raton. Latson is currently being considered for reassignment by the school district though there are have also been recurring calls from county and state legislators to fire him, which will undoubtedly occur.

The tale is somewhat convoluted and there are some disagreements about what actually took place, but it goes basically like this: roughly one year ago a high school parent, unidentified but presumably Jewish, emailed Latson asking him to confirm that holocaust education was a top priority in Spanish River H.S. He responded by email that the school has a “variety of activities” for holocaust education but “Not everyone believes the Holocaust happened. And you have your thoughts, but we are a public school and not all of our parents have the same beliefs.” He added that an educator has “the role to be politically neutral but support all groups in the school… I can’t say the Holocaust is a factual, historical event because I am not in a position to do so as a school district employee.”

After the emails were revealed to school officials, presumably by the parent, a year-long investigation commenced in which Latson apologized for having caused offense, saying his emails “did not accurately reflect my professional and personal commitment to educating all students about the atrocities of the Holocaust.” The school board initially ruled that he had not done anything meriting disciplinary action or a reprimand, but the story did not end there. Simultaneously, an online petition which eventually included 6,000 signatures was initiated demanding Latson’s replacement and he was subsequently removed from his position. The school board officials justified their change of course by citing his apparent unwillingness to comply with instructions, stating that they previously had ordered him to “expand the Holocaust curriculum at Spanish River and ordered him to spend ‘several days at the United States Holocaust Museum to increase his personal knowledge.’”

Latson responded that his emails and comments were not “accurately relayed” to the media: “I have been reassigned to the district office due to a statement that was not accurately relayed to the newspaper by one of our parents. It is unfortunate that someone can make a false statement and do so anonymously and it holds credibility but that is the world we live in.”

His statement implicitly blaming a school parent generated new problems for Latson with two Palm Beach County state lawmakers and the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) calling for his firing because he had not groveled sufficiently. ADL stated that “ADL had hoped his apology was sincere and Latson could learn from his mistakes. Given that he cannot take responsibility for his actions, Latson should resign, and if not we believe the district should end his employment.”

The two state officials, Senator Kevin Rader and Representative Tina Polsky issued a statement saying “By his latest email, Dr. Latson has shown no remorse for his actions and we call on the district to immediately terminate him.”

The publication of Latson’s comments also unleashed heavy criticism from a broad range of other Florida public officials. Governor Ron DeSantis, who calls himself the most pro-Israel governor in American, joined in with “Look, to act like the Holocaust is a matter of debate, I mean, is just absurd.”

Senator Rick Scott called Latson’s comments anti-Semitism and tweeted that the “fact that someone charged with educating children would be unable to speak unequivocally on the realities & horrors of the holocaust is incredibly concerning.” Jewish State Representative Randy Fine, who recently introduced legislation officially banning “anti-Semitism” in Florida public schools, said “the law does not allow a Holocaust-denier to serve as a public school principal.” In a publish statement he expanded on that point, writing that “anti-Semitism by public employees in our K-20 public education system must be treated the same as racism.”

The controversy inadvertently revealed the extent to which state law now requires the holocaust to be taught in all Florida public schools. Ironically, Spanish River High has one of the country’s most rigorous holocaust education programs with the subject being taught both in ninth- and 10th-grade English classes as well as a component of both U.S. and world history. There is also an elective course as well regular holocaust assemblies for the entire school featuring keynote speakers. After the Latson controversy started, the school district required all 10th graders to read “Night” by Elie Wiesel. There are now plans to add multiple annual assemblies for students in every grade in the school district this year.

So, if you go to school in Florida your English and history courses will be about the holocaust and you will have to attend holocaust assemblies just in case some alleged atrocity has not been described extensively enough in class. Well, when does it end? When does the almost incessant pandering to Zionists and Jewish groups become too much for the deliberately kept-in-ignorance American public to tolerate?

The so-called holocaust was an historical event that took place in Europe seventy-five years ago. It has an established but very debatable narrative that pretty much has been contrived over the past fifty years for political reasons, see Professor Norman Finkelstein’s brilliant deconstruction of it in his book “The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering.” Those inconsistencies in the holocaust story and its general lack of credibility may have been what Latson was referring to.

The imposed holocaust narrative is full of holes and contradictions in terms of who was killed and how, but it is impossible for genuine academics to critique it if they want to stay employed. Books like Wiesel’s “Night” are largely works of fiction. The narrative exists to perpetuate the belief in Jewish suffering, which brings with it a number of practical advantages. First, it is regularly deployed to excuse the horrific treatment of the Palestinian people by Israel – Jewish suffering means that the creation of a homeland is a debt that all the world owes to the Jews without regard to what has been done to the area’s other inhabitants. Second, guilt over the alleged holocaust means that reparations from countries involved must be continued indefinitely. Currently the Poles are resisting new Jewish claims while the Germans have been paying for years. It is now being asserted that the descendants of so-called holocaust survivors have been genetically psychologically damaged, in the womb as it were, so reparations will presumably continue forever.

Third, holocaust guilt is used in the United States to counter any criticism of what Israel and Jewish groups are up to, as they use their wealth and access to power to corrupt America’s institutions and drive the country to needless wars. One might well ask, when confronted by the taxpayer funded holocaust museums that appear to spring up like mushrooms, why so much interest in a possible crime that has nothing to do with the United States? Where are the museums and courses in Florida schools discussing the mass killing that happened on our own shores, the genocide of the native Americans?

Lest we forget, the holocaust industry operates everywhere in America, particularly in the education system. Eight states already have laws mandating holocaust education (California, New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Florida, Illinois, Indiana and Michigan) and there is considerable pressure to make it universal in the United States. An alarmed World Jewish Congress (WJC) is urging required holocaust education for everyone everywhere “citing statistics from a 2018 poll revealing half of millennials can’t name a single Nazi concentration camp.”

A currently circulating WJC petition in Congress expresses concern over the rise in anti-Semitism, with a warning that “the horrors of the Holocaust are fading from our collective memory…” A bill to brainwash students so they will not forget, ‘The Never Again Education Act’, is currently making the rounds in the House of Representatives. It would make holocaust study mandatory in public schools and set up a Department of Education program that would train teachers to properly instruct students about the story of Jewish suffering.

Yes, the “Never Again Education Act” will soon be sucking up taxpayer money like an enormous vacuum cleaner and creating lots of new jobs for holocaust instructors, who will, of course, all be Jewish. Public schools will be teaching the next generation about what a great place Israel is and how the holocaust justifies vigilant groups like AIPAC and ADL, though it will not mention how they have corrupted the U.S. government and turned America’s foreign policy into an Israeli wag-the-dog. But who’s complaining? It’s good for the Jews, isn’t it?

So Dr. William Latson will be unemployed and possibly unemployable because he spoke the truth, a lesson to all of us that one must never cross the red lines established by the wielders of Jewish power in America. One might reasonably currently expect that serial pedophile Jeffrey Epstein will use the holocaust get-out-of-jail-free card in his defense, claiming that his recollection of the event has so traumatized him that he did bad things that he would not have otherwise considered. Poor Jeffrey. He has suffered so much.

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation (Federal ID Number #52-1739023) that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected]

 
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  1. Rational says:

    HE IS BLACK. HE SHOULD SUE. HE CANNOT BE FIRED FOR REFUSING TO LIE.

    I saw his pic online and it appears he is black. He spoke the truth. Good man. He should sue.

    Everybody knows the holocaust is a hoax. It is a scientifically impossible fraud. The school is evil ordering teachers to teach hoaxes.

  2. Dr. William Larson made several mistakes … all of them really serious: (a) he didn’t kiss enough jewish a$$; (b) he tried to actually defend himself against the full might and power of the adl and the rest of the jewish mob in Florida; (c) this is the most unforgivable — he’s black … in a ‘heavily jewish district.’

    Game … set … and match.

  3. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:

    A middle school teacher in our area, while teaching about the suffering of the Jews in America, told the class that in the south, where she was from, people use derogatory terms like “jewing” somebody down to describe driving a hard bargain. Next thing we knew, she was leaving the district at the end the year to return to Alabama to care for her aging parents, even though her husband had an excellent job with a local tech firm. A few parents suspected she had been asked to leave just from that one innocent comment and would never be able to get a job anywhere in Western WA.

    E.A. Ross said in his book The Old World in The New that the Hebrews are consumed by over sensitivity, unscrupulousness and pleasure seeking. Couldn’t have found three more accurate terms to describe this tribe, though one might also add narcissism and shamelessness. Ross said this way back in 1914. Things have only gotten worse since, much, much worse now that they are the ruling class.

  4. renfro says:

    no one complains more often or at greater volume than American Jewish groups intent on preserving the benefits that are derived from always being able to claim their perpetual victimhood

    lol…no one but a Jew can find victimhood in absolutely everything.

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    Let’s dispense with the fiction that everything Trump does is good for Israel. He cares for Israel only so far as his policies toward Israel further his political aims and benefit him, and right now that involves using Israel as a shield for his own racism.”

  5. The so-called holocaust was an historical event that took place in Europe seventy-five years ago. It has an established but very debatable narrative that pretty much has been contrived over the past fifty years for political reasons, see Professor Norman Finkelstein’s brilliant deconstruction of it in his book “The Holocaust Industry: Reflections on the Exploitation of Jewish Suffering.”

    I came across Finkelstein’s book purely by chance in the freebie pile of a local used bookstore about a decade ago, when in my mid 20s. It made me a skeptic of Israel, Zionism, and the Holocaust virtually overnight, not to mention drawing my attention to the fact that Jewish power is no tin hat conspiracy theory. In a just world, his book would be required reading for anybody 12 and over.

    While I remain a believer that there was a mass murder of Jews perpetrated by Germans, my own belief is that the manner in which this event is commonly portrayed today to be a vast exaggeration. The “six million” figure does not really hold up under scrutiny; my personal guess is that the actual number is no more than one million, and likely closer to the tens of thousands rather than millions. Most of those were probably murdered for being communists or other such political undesirables, rather than for their ethnicity as such; another good amount simply died in the closing months of the war because of supply and food shortages, although I do not discount that a fair amount were targeted for their religion or race.

    But even if that were the case, so what? They would not be the first to be targeted in that manner—nor were they even the last. There is more actual documentation and proof of the Armenian Genocide, for example, as a deliberate race/religion-focused act than there is for the Holocaust. Yet comparatively few peoples or nations seem to care about that event, most tellingly Israel. Meanwhile, the US on a federal level denies or refuses to acknowledge the Armenian Genocide. Imagine if any American political figure ever publicly vacillated on the subject of the Holocaust?

  6. renfro says:
    @Rational

    Yes he should……email a news story on this to the NAACP……this would be a good case for them.

    • Replies: @Wernermagnus
    , @Rastus
  7. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rational

    I guess we just found out the order of the victimhood totempole:

    Jews >>> homos >>> blacks >>> muslims >>> illegals > hispanics > native americans > women >>> Indians >> Southeast Asians >> Northeast Asians.

    Many homos are again Jews, Indians and Southeast Asians are now calling themselves “browns” to move up the victimhood totempole, hence the order.

  8. chris says:

    This reminds me of Joe Sobran’s quip, when mandatory holocaust studies were being first proposed for NY schools, Sobran suggested that this would inevitably lead to: … Remedial holocaust studies!

    With this, maybe they’ll finally be able to define an anti-semite as someone scoring below a B+ in the field – we are entering the re-education phase of American history.

    • LOL: Digital Samizdat
  9. From my Ph. D. research and seeing survivors with tattoos I am convinced that the Nazi regime did engage in exterminations, but I know that Jewish people were not the only targets. The actual number exterminated is open to interpretation, but a great many were obviously exterminated. Proof that something happened can be seen in comparisons of the ethnic makeup of territories before and after Nazi occupation. Over 3 Million Soviet POW’s were also liquidated in Nazi camps and hundreds of thousands of other non-Jewish people were also liquidated.

    I agree with Dr. Giraldi that these historical incidents, factual or exaggerated, have been exploited to create “get out of jail free cards” for Israeli actions that too closely resemble proven Nazi crimes. Gaza is a sort of ghetto-concentration camp reminiscent of documented Nazi crimes in Poland and elsewhere. Whatever the extent the facts fully support the received view, I agree with the implication that feelings of guilt for Nazi excesses were central to the creation of Israel and think that the Finkelstein book mentioned is a valuable corrective.

    I also find it outrageous that any sort of questioning or revisionism is considered taboo despite the traditional existence of constitutional guarantees of free speech, which have been seriously curtailed in recent years. I also deplore identity politics and forced political correctness, recalling George Carlin’s view that political correctness was nothing more than polite fascism As for Dr. Latson, he obviously made a serious mistake in the present environment and in the context of events at his school, and I am sure he will be sacked. If traditional rule of law still obtained he would probably be able to continue on as a teacher, but, recalling my studies of the rise of fascism, a new version of it appears to have gradually developed in the “west” during the last 30 years or so.

  10. Wally says:

    – The completely unproven, laughably contrived “holocaust” narrative is not only a huge scam for cash & power, it is simply impossible. It’s propaganda that is no more believable than witchcraft. In fact, the ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are nothing more than an oppressive, mandated religion.

    – Science, rational thought, and logic simply & easily demolish the “holocau$t’ Big Lie”.
    It’s no contest in debate. And that’s why there are Thought Crime Laws that imprison those who engage in free speech about it in Europe. That’s why we are seeing increasing, but ultimately futile, attempts to silence all free speech about it in the US and elsewhere. Only Lies Require Censorship.

    – Come and voice your views, defend the ridiculous, fabricated story line if you think you can, or simply post questions, challenges to Revisionist research. Revisionists welcome free speech, Zionist do not. No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com Much more at: http://codoh.com

    “Holocaust” Handbooks, Documentaries, & Videos
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Parfois1
  11. @Anonymous

    You got it wrong. Women—affluent white women, specifically—crowd the top of the totem pole of grievances along with the Jews. The casual reader of the major periodicals in English, Spanish, French, and German are lead to believe on a daily basis that no being suffers more on this miserable bitch of an Earth than women. Arguably, Latin American and European media are even more zealously fourth-wave feminist than many of the major Anglo-American outlets. And the contagion is quickly spreading to East Asia.

    For example:

    http://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/AJ201907110001.html

    And here in the US, affluent white women have remarkably (and without any dissent) positioned themselves not only as the ne plus ultra of historical victimhood, but have effectively declared themselves honorary “POC”, presenting themselves as the spokesfigures for the world’s huddled masses of the dusky and “oppressed”.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  12. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    Red Cross had boots on the ground, said 270K.

    55 MILLION non-jews died in that war, and you never hear about that.

    There was never any order given to kill jews. The jews that died mostly died from typhus and starvation.

    The “holocaust” isn’t mentioned in the jewish encyclopedia of the time. Also, none of the world leaders of that time period mention anything about a “holocaust” in any of their autobiographies.

    Finkelstein says that “The Holocaust” was actually invented around 1967 to provide support for Israel in fighting its’ Arab neighbors.

    The “holocaust” is essentially a marketing tool to shield the jews and Israel, and to shame the dumb goyim into allowing themselves to be destroyed.

  13. The mass persecution of European Jews by the Nazi regime during the Second World War is an established historical fact. Its origins, its actual scope, extent, methods, parameters and motivating factors are all questions properly explored by scholars and historians, not by activists. Many of these issues have taken a plausibly reliable shape (e.g. historians are reliably certain that killer whales were not used to murder Jews), but some have not. History is a long and patient enterprise.

    Proper, accurate historical scholarship on matters of this magnitude is never fully settled, and certainly not in the space of a single human lifetime; scholars to this day are still exploring new information regarding such distant events as the Thirty Years War and the Old Kingdom of pharaonic Egypt. To close the book permanently on the exploration of an event like the Jewish Persecution, and declare that “the history is settled” on a scale so recent that there are still living participants, is an act of scholarly abuse so egregious as to constitute a crime of omission against Truth itself.

    The fact that it has become literally a crime in many countries to honestly explore these issues in a scholarly context is evidence of “mens rea”, consciousness of guilt, on the part of those activists who seek to shut down good-faith discussion and exploit the event for personal and group gain. What do they fear will be discovered? What do they fear to lose by such discoveries?

    Furthermore, labeling this Jewish Persecution Event with the mystical, quasi-religious grand title of “the Holocaust” (or, the “Shoah”) is in fact a racist act of cultural appropriation, and a theft of historical place. It sacralizes and valorizes a single particular historical catastrophe, which took place among many, many such catastrophes, within the context of the largest war in human history, a war which involved participants on FOUR continents.

    The label “Holocaust” is racist propaganda, designed to put the Jewish Persecution at the center of world history, to elevate a single grim historical tragedy well above many other such tragedies, equally deserving of historical attention, and many of them far more deserving. It strongly implies that the suffering of the Jewish people is somehow mystically more important than the suffering of other people’s; it strongly evokes the notion that Jewish lives are somehow more valuable than the lives of other peoples.

    Finally, this notion that Jewish lives are more valuable than the lives of non-Jews, is in fact a codified Jewish religious belief, well-attested in voluminous citations of Jewish scriptures and Jewish hermeneutical texts. It is not a uniform canonical belief, but it is so widespread among learned doctors of Jewish dogma that it can with confidence be considered a valid and well-known “Jewish religious belief”.

    Therefore, any law passed by Congress mandating special enforced education practices regarding the Holocaust as an event of somehow uniquely elevated importance would be a law expressing government preference in religious faith, and as such is null and void under the First Amendment.

  14. “One third of the holocaust” by Jewish Historian David Cole. And excellent piece of research.
    https://archive.org/details/OneThirdOfTheHolocaustHDVideoHQSound

    This version seems to be fairly original (dated 2006). Beware! There is a new propaganda remake video circulating, nothing like the original.

  15. Has there ever in history been a generation of gentiles so deluded, debased, and manipulated
    as ours? Or so cravenly cowardly. I include myself in that.

    But I get a sense that the Tribe may be going over the top. They appear to be desperate to ram this Holocaust narrative down our collective throats. I wonder if they are arousing more suspicions
    than if they just gradually fed us the line as they used to do.

    • Replies: @Cleburne
  16. @Anthony Aaron

    He should claim to be a victim of anti-Black racism by the Jews and mention The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews and he should insist that relationship be taught in schools.

  17. Leslie says:

    For those who are not Americans but who have a good grasp of history, this is an amusing point in history, watching the Israelis drawing the Americans into another Jewish disaster brought about by their ongoing arrogance.

  18. Biff says:

    When I read the title the first person that popped into my head was Norman Finklestein, who rightly calls the holocaust an industry, not an official category of history, since the reason it is taught in schools has more of a monetary(think power) value than a historical one. “Industry”

    At best it is a controversy, with non-verifible facts and events. It’s probably closer to a religion than a game of football with a real score. But that’s life – Bullshit still rules the field. How about some real Bullshit for your kid.

  19. @Anonymous

    Yes indeed, the victimhood totempole exists and I think you are right to point this out. However, there is more overlap than just Jews and homos: Jews and women (vociferous Jewesses are very numerous), homos and women, women and any of the other categories, illegals and any other category, and so on.

    In the end, the totempole serves the interests of the state, since it keeps the population divided (divide and rule, remember) into mutually antagonistic groups. The state itself was the first to initiate this unfortunate categorization, requiring everyone when filling out official documents, to tick the appropriate category: White, African-American (or whatever the current politically correct term is), Hispanic, Hispanic non-white, Native American, Pacific islander, Aleut, Asian etc. I have always found this insulting, derogatory, humiliating and reminiscent of nazi-Germany.

    Philip Giraldi’s article and all other articles like it, indicate the US has gone full-blown nazi. By the way, this often occurs in history: in the end, the victor always adopts the ways and ideas of the vanquished. That is why it is so important to pick one’s battles. That is also why the Chinese are so superior: they always try to avoid open conflict and in doing so have preserved their collective identity.

  20. It is now being asserted that the descendants of so-called holocaust survivors have been genetically psychologically damaged, in the womb as it were, so reparations will presumably continue forever.

    Interesting. This is basically Lysenkoism, i.e. Lamarckism.

    • Replies: @dimples
  21. Vojkan says:

    And they wonder why they’re loathed. Or don’t they? Maybe they want to be loathed. Maybe inciting abhorrence fuels their sentiment of omnipotence. You never know what’s truly in the mind of mythomaniacs.

  22. eah says:

    Teaching Indoctrinating Holocaust

    Fixed it.

  23. It’s nice to watch the Imperialist States of Amerikastan destroy its future by, among other things, dumbing itself down. Nobody needs to risk nuclear war to save the planet from Amerikastan if it’s going to make its brats too uninformed and stupid to pose a threat to anyone.

  24. @Rational

    “Everyone knows the Holocaust is a hoax”.

    Everyone knows no such thing, any more than everyone knows that the official account of the Holocaust is the truth. Since actual historical and scientific research of the episode is verboten, all we have is claims on all sides.

  25. Richard B says:
    @Anonymous

    And yet Antifa remains White. Or “White.” Now we know why they really wear masks.

    Or, as Totie Fields said to Gene Simmons of Kiss on The Mike Douglas Show in 1974 when he appeared in full Kiss make-up,”Ya can’t hide the hook.”

  26. A high school principal identified as Dr. Willian Latson was removed from his position after he revealed to a parent that he considered the holocaust to be a belief and not a demonstrated fact. According to statement made by the school district, the action was taken “out of an abundance of concern” for students and staff after Latson had “made a grave error in judgment.” It added that “In addition to being offensive, the principal’s statement is not supported by either the School District Administration or the School Board.”

    Ka-ching!

    Exhibit 1 for the plaintiff in his suit for defamation and wrongful constructive termination.

  27. Richard B says:
    @Anthony Aaron

    I’d rewrite your comment thus:

    Dr. William Larson made several important things … all of them really heroic and inspiring: (a) he didn’t kiss enough jewish a$$; (b) he tried to actually defend himself against the full might and power of the adl and the rest of the jewish mob in Florida; (c) this is the most unforgivable — he’s black … in a ‘heavily jewish district.’

    • Replies: @Anthony Aaron
  28. Where are the museums and courses in Florida schools discussing the mass killing that happened on our own shores, the genocide of the native Americans?

    I don’t know about Florida’s school curriculum, though I’d be surprised if the schools did not give it significant coverage, but the NPS has no shortage of museum exhibits dedicated to this subject.

    f”The Never Again Education Act”

    So, now we have NEEA-Nazis?

  29. Richard B says:

    “The ADL stated that “The ADL had hoped his apology was sincere and Latson could learn from his mistakes. Given that he cannot take responsibility for his actions, Latson should resign, and if not we believe the district should end his employment.”

    When have jews ever apologized for anything?

    When have jews ever taken responsibility for their actions?

    “The two state officials, Senator Kevin Rader and Representative Tina Polsky issued a statement saying “By his latest email, Dr. Latson has shown no remorse for his actions and we call on the district to immediately terminate him.””

    When have jews ever shown remose?

    “The publication of Latson’s comments also unleashed heavy criticism from a broad range of other Florida public officials. Governor Ron DeSantis, who calls himself the most pro-Israel governor in American, joined in with “Look, to act like the Holocaust is a matter of debate, I mean, is just absurd.””

    The fact that they can not see that FORCING the study of an histoircal evidence is self-discrediting is yet more proof of how insane and dangerou they are to everyone they come into contact with.

    Any country that bows before the alter of Jewish Supremacy Inc. is doomed.

    So why do it?

    The only answer is that such people have lost the will to live.

    But not everyone has.

    • Replies: @Richard B
    , @Sic Semper
  30. Richard B says:
    @Richard B

    “historical evidence” should be “historical event”

  31. Art says:

    What no Lot – 7 comments into another great PG article – and no arrogant Jewber Lot screed – you sick boy?

    Please get well — Art

  32. Richard B says:
    @Rational

    “The school is evil ordering teachers to teach hoaxes.”

    The school itself is being forced by an even greater evil.

    An evil that has the power to effectuate its insane demands to be placed above criticism, loved unconditionally and blindly obeyed.

    So much for “White Supremacy.”

  33. @renfro

    The NAACP is a Jewish organization. It is used to advance blacks insofar as that advancement undermines whites and increases Jewish power.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan, Bill Jones
    • Replies: @Anon
  34. Richard B says:
    @Anonymous

    Great comment. Sad story about the teacher.

    And to your list we could add the word Dostoyevsky used to describe them, “mericiless.”

    Around the time of Ross’ book there was a study on criminal pathology conducted in the USA in 1911 and it discusses the jewish inclination toward just that, criminal pathology. I regret to say I don’t recall the name of the study. I’m sure it was influential in the 1924 Immigration Act.

    In any event, the rise of Jewish Supremacy Inc. is in direct proportion to the rise of psychopathy in the West.

    For now, their insanity is in full display in demands to be
    1. placed above criticism
    2. loved unconditionally
    3. blindly obeyed

    The fact that they have the power to effecuate these insane demands makes one shudder for the future of our children.

    I think JSI is about to find out that not everyone is keen on being their slaves or sacrifices.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  35. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:

    The Jews started all this stuff with the “Frankfurt School” (started 1923) crap. Every dirty rotten lousy thing going on today is tied to that stinking, “Jew Think Tank” – including the holocaust hoax.

  36. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Palm Beach County is directly adjacent to Broward County, which has a large Borg infestation and never seems to run out of incidents that can be traced back to the Tribe.

    Maybe Americans should do a repeat of those Middle Ages types that went around, flagellating themselves on their backs with whips that contained rusty nails and broken pottery, trying to get the Black Death to vanish, but the modern day ones would be moaning about how bad the Jews have it and it’s our fault that some died during WWII.

    My guess is that even that wouldn’t be enough, unless a check of at least 6 gorillion was included each year to Jews.

  37. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    Most of those were probably murdered for being communists or other such political undesirables, rather than for their ethnicity as such; another good amount simply died in the closing months of the war because of supply and food shortages, although I do not discount that a fair amount were targeted for their religion or race.

    Two out of three is not bad for a relatively young fellow, especially if you were raised in the the Brainwashed States of America, the Bullshit Capitol of the World. I hope you have sufficient time to follow your inquiries into the truth. Keep reading PG and RU, and you’ll keep making excellent progress.

    In the case of “the Jewish persecution” in Germany I found that impartial presentation of the facts gradually gave way to so partisan a depictment that the truth was lost. This transformation was effected in three subtle stages. First the persecution of “political opponents and Jews” was reported; then this was imperceptibly amended to “Jews and political opponents”; and at the end the press in general spoke only of “the persecution of Jews”. By this means a false image was projected on to the public mind and the plight of the overwhelming majority of the victims, by this fixing of the spotlight on one group, was lost to sight. The result showed in 1945, when, on the one hand, the persecution of Jews was made the subject of a formal indictment at Nuremberg, and on the other hand half of Europe and all the people in it were abandoned to the selfsame persecution, in which the Jews had shared in their small proportion to populations everywhere.

    -Douglas Reed, The Controversy of Zion, page 214-5

    I used to have a link to the book, but now all I get is a 404 message.

  38. “When does the almost incessant pandering to Zionists and Jewish groups become too much for the deliberately kept-in-ignorance American public to tolerate?”

    It became too much decades ago.

    I haven’t seen a more succinct, articulate description of American life under Jewish occupation. Giraldi hits the nail on the head every time.

    • Agree: geokat62
    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  39. Here’s what the Holocaust Industry is so desperate to cover up, the sickening treatment of the indigenous Palestinians by the Israelis–that claim to be Jews–that have invaded Palestine and turned it into a much more deadlier version of Apartheid South Africa:

    Poof! One day in occupation causes young Jews on Zionist tour to question Zionism — ‘NYT’ reports

    We are as critical of the New York Times as anyone, but we need to salute the superb report in the newspaper by David Halbfinger on a liberal Zionist trip for American Jews to see the occupation. Titled, “Touring the Israeli Occupation: Young U.S. Jews Get an Unflinching View,” the July 10 article offered horrifying glimpses of Palestinian conditions in Susiya and Hebron that left the young Jews staggered.

    https://mondoweiss.net/2019/07/occupation-zionist-question/

    Since they toured part of Occupied Hebron, wonder if they visited those streets that have wire and steel barricades over the sidewalks, necessitated by Israelis, living above those streets, that dump chunks of concrete down on the Palestinians passing by?
    But that doesn’t stop the buckets of human waste the kindly Israelis also dump on the Palestinians.

    But hey, to think about that is anti-Semitic. That time should be spent worshiping the most Holy Holocaust, Goyim!

  40. @Rational

    no holocaust of jews happened. It’s all just more jewish trickery. Nothing ever changes with them.

  41. The refusal to bow at the altar of Jewish “victimhood” will soon to be completely criminalized here in the U.S. See:

    http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2018/10/my-victimhood-is-bigger-than-yours-or.html

  42. @Robert Dolan

    The idea of the Holocaust did exist prior to 1967. However, the Jewish Community applied it to all who died during WWII and not singularly to the Jewish Community itself.

    This changed overnight, as you stated, with Israel’s 6 Day War…

    • Replies: @mark green
  43. @Richard B

    The Jewish establishment and the various foreigners aren’t really the problem. WW I and WW II stunned the Europeans an European descendants, who have had a sort of PTSD for a three generations now. _That’s_ the problem.
    R. Unz’s article [1] shows that, had solidly Republican California simply arrested a few people (and continued to arrest their replacements) it could have saved itself. The people were not arrested because nobody cared. Politics had already become a game, played by professionals, of being elected rather than a constant and precarious effort to keep civilization (or at least Republican California) alive. The civil population at the time had no interest in politics and was badly frightened by the prospect of yet another central war, this time fought with nuclear weapons. [2]

    The fourth generation seems to be recovering enough to defend itself, if only because the choice is that or life on gradually diminishing welfare.

    Counterinsurgency

    1] R. Unz
    “American Pravda: The Power of Organized Crime”.
    First posted 2019/07/15.
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-power-of-organized-crime/

    2] Although i seem to remember, from _Only yesterday_, that in the 1920s the frequent moving from one neighborhood to another made neighborhoods hard for anybody “organize” politically, and that the California populace could be lured to vote by presenting political contests as a horse race (X lead’s by a nose! Now Y is moving up in the final stretch! And .. . . It’s Seabiscuit!”. Watching a human horesrace is not the same as protecting your civilization, as the Californians (and now the Americans) have found out.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  44. onebornfree says: • Website

    P. Giraldi says: “Well, when does it end? When does the almost incessant pandering to Zionists and Jewish groups become too much for the deliberately kept-in-ignorance American public to tolerate?”

    It’s not going to end as long as the current, enforced at-the-point-of-a-gun government run “educational” system exists.

    Reality fact:

    Parents with different ideas about historical facts [or science “facts”, or religious “facts”] who are being forced at-the-point-of- a-gun [via taxes] to pay for childrens “education” will naturally try to enforce their ideas about what is true/not true historically. scientifically and religion wise, after all, they want their “moneys worth” , and because , its usually about their very own childrens education!

    Reality fact:

    If you want government run public “education”, different factions will always compete and try to gain control to try to force everyone else to go along with their own “proper” education agenda. Continual conflict over teaching curicula is absolutely inevitable! Guaranteed!

    This is the ultimate price you must pay for the scam called government run/funded “education”.

    Solution: end government run “education”. Get the government entirely out of all “education”, from kindergarten through to university and beyond, so that parents can choose and be fully responsible for what type of education their child receives, and persons who have no children are not forced to subsidize the “education” of other peoples children.

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
    , @Alden
  45. What is lacking ,what i do not understand ,is the no reaction of the victims,the gentiles.
    Whatever half of the explanation of this takeover could be,the other half is the no reaction of the victims.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  46. Zumbuddi says:
    @exiled off mainstreet

    The PhD has to be in something rigorous, like gender studies.
    If an aeronautics engineer said “from seeing survivor tattoos I am convinced the Nazi regime did engage in exterminations, ” he/she would be disqualified from folding paper airplanes.

    . . and the repeated use of “exterminations” — why that word? Did Germans seek out 3 m. Soviet soldiers as if they were the Terminex man fumigating a rat-infested slum? Or did Stalin send ill-equiped, untrained & poorly fed troops who surrendered in such large numbers that there was no way to cope with them?

    Didn’t read past the 3rd “exterminate.”

    • Agree: Oemikitlob, L.K
    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  47. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:

    If we ever manage to unravel the entire Epstein horror story, with certainty we will see connections between politicians, “scholars” and “intellectuals” pushing all this holohoax baloney and ritual child sacrifice. If.

    The Noahide laws are the real overlying wrapper for these holohoax temples, and “when jews are strong” and they are fully enforced, they will call for death by gillotine for Idolatry (believing in Christ) and for “antisemitism”. Stalin and Lenin enforced the death penalty for antisemitism in the USSR as well.

    Noahide laws were passed and signed by Pedo Bush Sr. in 1991.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  48. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    To secede any ground to your mortal enemy is your first mistake.

    The “holocaust” was six NY jews who got stale bagels in 1930 and worked feverishly to exploit their plight. Nearly 90 years later this work of fiction continues to grow. In short order the “Borscht Belt” will be historically revisionisted into the American Death Camps of NY where 800 Million jews were imprisoned, murdered and made into leather goods for goyim households.

  49. He should definitely sue. Nowhere has he exhibited “antiSemitism” or harming or even disliking Jews as a people. It is a tag that does great damage and he should sue, as the Colorado couple who successfully sued the Jew neighbors for pulling that some years ago. The judgement got very little media attention.

  50. @Richard B

    Why hasn’t Senator Kevin Rader and Representative Tina Polsky apologized for the enslaving Christian Spain, exterminating the Christians at Mamilla (and their building a Israeli parking lot over the desecrated mass grave of their victims), the barbarous torture and extermination of 100 Million Native European Christians, the ongoing torturous genocide of the Palestinian People and the destruction of Native European Homelands and persecutions of the worldwide Native European populations?

    Until they issue believable heart felt apologies, no one should take serious study of the six NY jews who received stale bagels in 1930 that exploited their plight into the multi-trillion dollar holocaust fraud industry.

    • Agree: annamaria
  51. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Furthermore, labeling this Jewish Persecution Event with the mystical, quasi-religious grand title of “the Holocaust” (or, the “Shoah”) is in fact a racist act of cultural appropriation, and a theft of historical place.

    I’ll say! Did you know that the very word ‘holocaust’ was first coined in 1944 to describe the effects of the incendiary bombs that the allies dropped on the Germans during the war? That’s right: ‘holocaust’ originally referred to a war crime committed against the Germans, not by them. Even well into the 60s, when the word was used, it was usually used with reference the ever-present threat of nuclear war–the so-called nuclear holocaust. It wasn’t really until the 70s–a full generation after the war–that the word acquired its present meaning, completely displacing the older ones.

    Strange, eh?

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Historicus
  52. @exiled off mainstreet

    What do Tattoos have to do with exterminating people? How would tattoos convince a Ph.D. Of anything?

    And in case it never occurred to you, many Jews fled to the Soviet Union, America, South America, and other places. So comparisons of ethnic make up are not significant in any way.

    And where is the evidence for these “liquidated” POW’s and Jews? Did the mean, wicked Nazi’s turn them into liquid and pour them into the Bug River?

    Or perhaps their bodies were all dug up, bone grinded, and set onto Jew roasters with their ashes tossed into the air by the Ash Commander, as Leon Wells explained at the Eichmann trial?

    http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/e/eichmann-adolf/transcripts/Sessions/Session-023-02.html

    • Replies: @Wally
  53. dimples says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Yes the inheritance of acquired characteristics is considered to be a massive scientific heresy. If the experiment is repeatable it would blow modern genetics wide open. If the Krauts have any brains they’d be asking for a lot more more evidence before paying out on that one.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  54. Miggle says:

    The state of affairs that provided cover for the “Holocaust” was a wonderful gift the Nazis gave. It allowed the truth at last to be told about the Chmielnitsy rebellion. It was time to admit, for Jews to admit, that the number of Jews killed was less than a tenth of the number previously said to have been killed. And further, when a town with a 99 percent Jewish population was overrun by the Cossacks and the peasants, the Jews were left unharmed because they were simply merchants, had not been involved in the oppression of the peasants. Jewish towns overrun and left unharmed. This truth could be told now because there was a more delicious story to tell. Chmielnitsy was rendered obsolete by its successor, the “Holocaust”.

  55. Cleburne says:
    @Achilles Wannabe

    But I get a sense that the Tribe may be going over the top. They appear to be desperate to ram this Holocaust narrative down our collective throats.

    I believe you’re on to something here. there is a Holocaust museum in a large Southern city near me. Recently there’s been a blitz, so to speak, of billboards and teevee ads encouraging all and sundry to attend to learn about the baleful consequences of ‘hate.”

    Why now? Because their POC pets are turning on (((them)))? because they have internal polling showing people are noticing epstein/weinstein/et cetera? resistance to the Iran war noises? It’s all very odd.

  56. Saggy says: • Website

    This video ….


    Video Link
    begins –

    The holocaust is a preposterous hoax that is unsupported by any physical evidence. It is made up of literally millions of lies, but it all rests on one ‘big lie’.

    The hoax has three main components –
    1. The Nazis planned to exterminate the Jews.
    2. The Nazis built gas chambers to exterminate the Jews and disguised them as shower rooms.
    3. The Nazis killed six million Jews.

    Each component of the hoax is categorically false and completely without evidence.
    1. There was no Nazi plan to exterminate the Jews or anyone else, and no evidence of one has ever been found.
    2. The gas chambers disguised as shower rooms are pure phantasmagoria, and there is not a shred of physical evidence for them.
    3. The number of Jews killed in the camps for being Jews is zero, and it is well documented that the Nazis aggressively investigate any crime in the camps.

    That is the hoax, and the reality

    The big lie is the photos and film footage that are shown of Jewish prisoners who had been gassed by the Nazis. The truth is that all the photos and film were taken after the war by British and US soldiers, and showed prisoners of all nationalities and religions who had died of tyhpus at the very last weeks of the war, primarily at Belsen where 35,000 died, 10,000 after the camp had been liberated by the British. Further, the Nazis had done everything in their power to combat the epidemic.

    The video documents all the above. To understand the holohoax you must study it.

    • Agree: Zumbuddi
  57. Hans says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    It’s available here, Jacques – https://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/reeedcontrov.pdf

    One of the great books.

    This is a good one and a good template for any of the other Tribe-driven issues tearing down the West:

  58. @exiled off mainstreet

    From my Ph. D. research and seeing survivors with tattoos I am convinced that the Nazi regime did engage in exterminations

    So encountering an old woman with a number tattoo proves Nazis exterminated Jews? Not that there were prisoners of war, but that Jews were systematically slaughtered?

    Wow, there’s a logical leap of faith …

    As far as Ph.D. research, I’m not sure it has the cachet you think it does.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
    • LOL: Saggy
  59. Honesty says:

    @giraldi

    Sir, foxnews is reporting that the fake passport recovered in Epstein’s locker places him as a resident of Saudi Arabia – and that is from the 80’s. What is going on here? This is so weird (and scary). How much of penetration we have from foreign groups in USA, for how long, and why are our politicians not being safeguarded from their influence? Are our intelligence agencies trying to stop that influence? I think this new revelation deserves another article from you. Thank you.

    • Replies: @Art
  60. Jake says:

    Judaizing heresy not identified and refuted and stopped, rejected thoroughly, leads directly to a world like this one.

    Anglo-Zionist Empire.

    Anglo-Saxon Puritanism was a Judaizing heresy. WASP culture is the product of a Judaizing heresy. The British Empire took the secularist form of that Judaizing heresy and planted ir across the globe.

    Anglo-Zionist Empire – your Big Brother

  61. JohnnyD says:

    With all due respect, I think Norman Finkelstein’s.views are being distorted in this article. Finkelstein never questions whether or not the Holocaust occurred. Indeed, he promotes the work of Raul Hillberg, who Finkelstein views as a serious scholar. Also, he always states that the suffering of his parents in the Holocaust is what motivates him to defend the rights of Palestinians. Finkelstein does indeed go after Jewish groups and the State of Israel for using the Holocaust as an idelogical weapon, and he does attack Ellie Weisel as a fraud and hyoprite, but he has never questioned the standard narrative that a systematic extermination of European Jewry occurred during World War II.

  62. Yet another controversy, and this will spur yet more fruitless debate. It’s endless.

    I’m really starting to wish the Holocaust never happened.

  63. Robjil says:

    “The Never Again Education Act” is the exact same thing as a “The Santa Claus Education Act”. One only has only to believe, no inquiry allowed.

    ” The Again and Again Wars for Jewish Zionist Advisor Act” has been put in action endlessly in the past hundred years. The earth is crying out in pain from from this world wide destruction.

    ” Seven Nations to destroy” is the latest war plan for the most persecuted people on planet earth.

    ” The Never Again promotion of Wars by Jewish/Zionist Advisors Act” is what the world needs.

    WWI was for the Balfour. Zionist Jewish Advisors were at the top of both the British and American governments promoting WWI.

    WWII was for Israel. Zionist Jewish Advisors were at the top of both the British and American governments promoting WWII.

    Jewish Zionist Oligarchs world wide promoted the Bolshevik take over Russia.

    If anything like the big 6 happened, the blame should go at the Jewish/Zionist Advisors that created the conditions for it by promoting two massive world wars.

    Will “The Never Again promotion of War by Jewish/Zionist Advisors Act” ever be passed? Now that is a bill that should be passed. Climate Change is peanuts compared to war promotion by Jewish/Zionist Advisors.

  64. @exiled off mainstreet

    Over 3 Million Soviet POW’s were also liquidated in Nazi camps and hundreds of thousands of other non-Jewish people were also liquidated.

    Only if by “liquidated” you mean died of starvation and disease because food and medical care were inadequate. German logistics in the winter of 1941 were famously a nightmare: if the Wehrmacht couldn’t even supply their own troops with adequate winter gear, it’s no surprise EPWs fared worse. Though the number of victims you cite is too high. It comes ultimately from the book Keine Kameraden by one Christian Streit, who is often quoted uncritically by mainstream historians who won’t (or can’t, if they don’t read German) check how he actually derived his figures. In fact, he inflates them quite a bit.

    Even so, many hundreds of thousands did die. And this, of course, is still a real tragedy. But it was not an intentional genocide, any more than the starvation of even more millions of Germans and Japanese by the Allies after the war. And the Allies didn’t have the excuse that they were fighting history’s biggest land war while their victims starved in peacetime. See the convincing studies by Alfred De Zayas, most of which have been translated to English, and Stalin’s War of Annihilation by Joachim Hoffmann, which our host Ron Unz mentions in his American Pravda series.

  65. The nazis killed millions of not only Jews but Christians and political opponents and in regards to the Jews , the elite Jews helped the nazis kill the Jews to further their goal of a zionist homeland and a case in point is George Soros , who at the age of 14 lived with the nazi commander of Budapest who was in charge of rounding up Jews to be shipped to the death camps, and Soros went with the nazis and pointed out the Jews for the nazis, this is a fact.

    • Replies: @Nonny
  66. @Hans Vogel

    I have always found this [demographic categorization] insulting, derogatory, humiliating and reminiscent of nazi-Germany.

    YMMV, but I personally think we should drill down even deeper, e.g. how many Jews? That’d drive ’em nuts, since it’s literally against their religion to count a Jew. And it would finally put to bed this 2% nonsense.

    Not to mention the current census controversy over how many illegals constitute congressional redistricting.

    the US has gone full-blown nazi

    For more than a few of us, that’s our prayer.

  67. Wally says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Nope.

    In spite of bans on free speech, which proves that the story is a fraud, rational, scientific Revisionist research has demolished the claims. I mean, that fact IS the reason that free speech on the subject is banned. The absurd narrative does not hold up.

    Try me & see.

    Also see my comment #10.

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  68. Can you say dumb? I have beliefs similar to most of the people in this forum, but I would know better than to allow them to appear under my real name, let alone in professional correspondence! You could also be jailed in much of Europe based on such information. Probably also banned from the schengen zone.

    There are other pieces of forbidden thought and discussion, such as race and IQ. I bet Mr Latson would support those orthodoxies.

  69. @exiled off mainstreet

    From my Ph. D. research and seeing survivors with tattoos I am convinced that the Nazi regime did engage in exterminations

    Seeing survivors is evidence of extermination. Maybe we have different definitions of the words “survive” and “exterminate”.

  70. Saggy says: • Website
    @JohnnyD

    Finklestein’s story is one of the most remarkable ….. from this video ….
    Norm Finkelstein, at U of Waterloo

    My father was in Auschwitz
    My mother was in Majdanek
    Every single member of my family, on my father’s side and on my mother’s side, was exterminated.

    Why is the story remarkable? Finklestein was born in 1953 !

    • Replies: @JohnnyD
    , @Wally
  71. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    historians are reliably certain that killer whales were not used to murder Jews

    I would advise people not to publicly say this. Just in case it could get them in trouble. You never know.

    • Replies: @Pontius
  72. Wally says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    Indeed.
    It’s claimed that millions upon millions of human remain exists in allegedly known locations, yet those remain are not there.

    Remember, the claim is “6,000,000 Jews & 5,000,000 others”. That alleged 11,000,000 is equal to the city of London.

    The “Holocau$t Industry” in court:

    ‘Please your honor, there really are remains of millions upon millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are, but, but, well, umm, we can’t show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we’re Zionists.’

    recommended:
    The Rudolf Report / Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects of the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz
    http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/index.html

  73. @Zumbuddi

    If an aeronautics engineer said “from seeing survivor tattoos I am convinced the Nazi regime did engage in exterminations, ” he/she would be disqualified from folding paper airplanes.

    That piece of “logic” really got my attention as well. I’ll be shaking my head over that for quite a while.

    PhD my tusch. Heaven help us!

  74. “… if the current trend to reduce the study of history in schools to easily digestible politically correct soundbites that are being successfully pushed by social justice warriors continues, we will soon be limited to discussing how horrible slavery was, the Stonewall Inn riots and the so-called holocaust. ”

    You forgot Rosa Parks.

  75. @John Regan

    I guess the “PhD” never knew about the Brit starvation blockades that continued for some time after the fighting stopped, but with the logic displayed above, I doubt even knowing the facts would lead to valid conclusions.

    And here we are, with nearly a century of hindsight available!

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  76. Truth3 says:
    @exiled off mainstreet

    What an idiot.

    Tattoos are not placed on people for any other reason than to identify them, if they are incarcerated. You don’t tattoo them if you intend to kill them.

    The only ones that “exterminated” Soviet POW’s were the Jewish NKVD when they returned home.

    The so-called HC can’t withstand scientific or logical scrutiny, so these things are criminalized.

  77. @Hans

    Thanks, Hans.

    I wonder how long it’ll take for that link to get fried!

    Filthy sob’s!

  78. @HolocaustPropagandaSurvivor

    Giraldi hits the nail on the head every time.

    True, and I’m grateful for his persistent hammering. Great stuff.

    • Agree: kikz
  79. @onebornfree

    It’s not going to end as long as the current, enforced at-the-point-of-a-gun government run “educational” system exists.

    It’s worse than that. It won’t end until people understand that government is not the messiah, but that will never end because, well, “muh roads!”

    Few stop to think beyond dem roadz; my response to “who’ll bild dem roadz?” is to ask who’ll bomb the children?

  80. Sparkon says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    … claims on all sides.

    It is the responsibility of the party making the claim to provide the proof.

    Nobody can prove a negative.

    Show us the bones.

  81. The “Never Again” program means that whitey will never again have any power whatsoever, and that jews will rule over humanity forever.

    That is the jewish final solution to white people.

    The nose is destroying all of Christendom to render the world “holocaust-proof” and user friendly for the jewish tribe.

    Yes, it’s insane.

    They are batshit crazy for sure.

    To make matters even worse, they fancy that GOD wants them to do this.

    It’s a bad horror film that we live in.

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @anonymous
  82. Richard B says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    “The Jewish establishment and the various foreigners aren’t really the problem. ”

    Once again, we have the attempt to place Jewish Supremacy Inc. above criticism.

    “WW I and WW II stunned the Europeans an European descendants, who have had a sort of PTSD for a three generations now. _That’s_ the problem.”

    It’s no coincidence that the denial in the first sentence is followed by an impossible to prove statement in the second sentence.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  83. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    My belief is that 2.5 million Jews were killed by the Nazis, whatever the cause. This could still be described as a holocaust. Also, I do agree that there are some issues with the capital “H” Holocaust. Still, there is entirely too much time and energy spent on the subject. There are far more pressing issues these days….

  84. Richard B says:
    @Sic Semper

    “Until they issue believable heart felt apologies, no one should take serious study of the six NY jews who received stale bagels in 1930 that exploited their plight into the multi-trillion dollar holocaust fraud industry.”

    Absolutely!

    But, of course, it’ll never happen.

    I just watched a great short video of Tucker Carlson and Peter Thiel talking about Chinese infiltration at Google.

    To me, the Chinese didn’t infiltrate, they were invited.

    As far as can tell the Chinese and Jewish Supremacy Inc. are pretty much dividing the world up between them.

    The enforced Holocaust studies and “Antisemitism” laws are a part of their power grab.

    Yet another reason not to take their condemnation of us seriously.

    But what we should take seriously is their power grab.

    • Replies: @Jake
  85. Agent76 says:

    09/22/2016 Indoctrination: 35 Years of the US Department of Education

    Since 1980, during the Carter Administration, America’s K-12 education system has come under increasing control by the dictates of the federal Department of Education (DOE) with failing results, taxing states and filtering the money through Washington to return a portion of it back to the states.

    https://mises.org/wire/indoctrination-35-years-us-department-education

    Mar 10, 2014 Department of Education whistleblower Charlette Iserbyt about the deliberate dumbing down of America.

    The former US Department of Education Senior Policy Advisor suggests that the our educational system is not based upon children learning.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  86. @Jacques Sheete

    Hey Bro Jacques!

    Am interested how the ZUS Department of Education handles the public school teaching of the abominable 9/11 event & the W. Bush administration’s pursuant blame attached to al-Qaeda OBL & suicidal hijackers.

    Maybe you are too? If so, please refer to the interesting article, linked below.

    https://www.ewa.org/blog-educated-reporter/how-are-schools-teaching-911

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  87. @John Regan

    3 Million Soviet POW’s

    Number of POWs captured…estimated. Number of POWs at end of war…estimated. Difference of the two estimations = estimated deaths.

    Consider that Russian soldiers could “tear off their insignia and desert”* and assume the identity of a civilian rather then surrender to the Germans and go to a POW camp. This would reduce the number of estimated prisoners taken.

    Also, imagine a Soviet POW at the end of the war. He is released and must be processed by the Allied occupation authorities.

    He has two choices:

    1. Tell the truth.
    Say he is a captured Russian soldier so he can be repatriated to the Soviet Union as a soldier who surrendered to the enemy*.

    2. Lie.
    Pretend to be something else other than a Russian soldier and have a chance to escape to the West. In this case, he may even get help from sympathetic German guards to forge a false identity. He could also escape from the camp in all the chaos and pretend to be a homeless civilian. This would reduce the number of apparent Soviet POWs at the end of the war.

    [MORE]

    * Order No. 270

    I ORDER:

    That commanders and political officers who, during combat tear off their insignia and desert to the rear or surrender to the enemy, be considered malicious deserters whose families are subject to arrest as a family, for violation of an oath and betrayal of their homeland.

    All higher commanders and commissars are required to shoot on the spot any such deserters from among command personnel.

    Encircled units and formations to selflessly fight to the last, to protect materiel like the apple of their eye, to break through from the rear of enemy troops, defeating the fascist dogs.

    That every soldier is obliged, regardless of his or her position, to demand that their superiors, if part of their unit is surrounded, to fight to the end, to break through, and if a superior or a unit of the Red Army – instead of organizing resistance to the enemy – prefers to become a prisoner they should be destroyed by all means possible on land and air, and their families deprived of public benefits and assistance.

    • Replies: @John Regan
  88. turtle says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    quasi-religious

    The principal’s “crime” appears to be: heresy.
    Time to get religion out of the public schools.

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
  89. lysias says:

    I don’t use the word “holocaust” for the Nazis’ mass murder of Jews, as that use of the word apparently has some esoteric theological significance that, far from sharing, I do not even understand. For me, as a student of Greek, the word refers to a wholly burnt sacrificial offering. What does that have to do with mass murder? If the underlying thought is that the mudered victims somehow represented a sacrifice offered to God, isn’t that line of thought blaspemous?

  90. Well said, Mr. Giraldi. Keep it coming.

    Every “industry” finds its origins in the government-run schools. This has always been the case. The battleground is always for the mind and to take captive or subjugate thoughts and what better place to begin the process than in the minds of pliable, immature youth? I am only paraphrasing here from poor memory but haven’t Catholics always had a catechism that went something like “Give us your child for the first 7 years and we’ll have him for life.”? They well understand the vital import of the concept of the mind and thoughts in an individual.

    Americans should have abolished government from having any say in their educational system long ago, imho. I firmly believe many of the current dilemmas Americans face here in America would be non-existent to minimal had we done so. Turning generations of children over to this institution was the beginning of much of what we see and experience today, it’s just been a long, slow process. Oh, and we foot the bill for our own destruction, too. Pretty slick.

    OT, but I just posted this today in a discussion in a very small-town paper and screen-shot it just in case:

    “Thank you, Dave. As a native Ohioan I care about the people of it and my country of birth. Other than a morbid fascination with politics I don’t care for them and certainly not partisan politics.

    As a reasonably intelligent human being I am looking around and questioning who is benefitting from the destruction of my heritage, culture, homeland, its institutions and its economy and I am coming to the conclusion that it is the Zionist Jews and their paid lackeys and supporters, including many in the Church. I am aware that this view is controversial but in my view if a proposition is true it can be questioned and assailed vigorously and the truth about it will still be standing. Conversely, the only people who need to be concerned about a proposition being vigorously questioned and debated are those who know it is false or a lie and wish to perpetuate that falsehood for their benefit and I’m sick and tired of it and I’m not going to self-censor my freedom of speech.”

    I changed the name of the man I replied to and kept it simple for the sake of the audience that may read the article it’s attached to but I believed it needed to be said. We’ll see…

  91. lysias says:
    @JayJonahJameson

    I would say that the fact that a public school principal is forced to repeat a line of thought pushed by the state IS a pressing matter.

    By the way, I was recently told by the father of a boy who recently graduated from a public high school in New Jersey that schools there still teach the Warren Commission fiction as historical fact.

  92. turtle says:
    @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    encountering an old woman with a number tattoo proves Nazis exterminated Jews

    If you are going to kill someone, why waste time tattooing a number on their arm?

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @Oemikitlob
  93. Rurik says:
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    Armenian Genocide, for example, as a deliberate race/religion-focused act than there is for the Holocaust. Yet comparatively few peoples or nations seem to care about that event,

    or the Holodomor for that matter.

    But most earnestly, is the Nakba- and ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people, because this genocide is going on *today*.

    And funded and supported by the same execrable scum who demand our school children are brow-beaten for their collective guilt for the ‘Holocaust’. ‘Because genocide is wrong!’

    [Unless its the genocide of people whom Jew do not like; (Whites and Palestinians) then any criticism of that genocide is evil!’ – and ‘terrorists! and ‘white supremacists!’

    Your children must bow down, and pay homage to the holy ‘Holocaust’!

    While in America’s classrooms, all mention of Christmas is banned. Nativity scenes in the public square are banned. Christmas trees and Christmas carols are banned in America’s public schools.

    But ‘Holocaust’ indoctrination is mandatory by law.

    And then to add to the mind-fuck, the same states that mandate ‘Holocaust’ indoctrination, and the ubiquitous ‘Holocaust museums’ with the mantra of Never Again!, are the same states that prohibit any criticism of Israel’s ongoing genocide of the Palestinians.

    So our children are exhorted to consider genocide the worst sin imaginable, because, (they are brow-beaten), it was done by Christians (like them!), against god’s most holy and chosen and sacred people. >>hurl<<

    But now, at the same time. These same children are expected to openly support an on-going genocide, because this is a ‘good’ genocide, because it’s being done against people whom the Jews do not like, you see?

    What does that do to a child’s mind and sense of justice?

    ‘We all must feel incredible guilt and build endless monuments to the most evil crime that has ever occurred, when White Christians (like you! little Johnny), perpetrated the most terrible crime in all of history!’

    >><<

    But at the same time, any criticism of an ongoing genocide, is strictly verboten. (you anti-Semite!)

    And our politicians and public school administrators and school boards all across North America and Europe all go along with this doublethink mind-fuck of their children's souls.

    And why?..

    • Replies: @Rurik
  94. @Sparkon

    You morons seem to imagine that there are two possibilities, and two only:

    1. That there was a Holocaust exactly as described, which killed six million Jews

    Or

    2. There was no such thing at all, and it is all a myth.

    There are any number of possibilities in between, including a deliberate mass murder of less than six million, a mix of deliberate and accidental deaths of less than six million, deliberate deaths of a low number and a relatively high number of accidental deaths, etc. Furthermore, the deliberate deaths could still have been accomplished without gas chambers by simple shooting (such as the Einsatzgruppen did at such sites as Babi Yar). Nor does the absence of “six million skeletons” prove anything either way because there is absolutely no need to accept the six million figure merely on say so, and the idea that skeletons could not simply have been incinerated or bulldozed to fragments can’t be dismissed because there has been no independent research permitted into the matter.

    Meaning both you Holocaust deniers and the Holocaust official story industry are babbling about what you have no proof of either way.

  95. @Richard B

    Agreed … ‘heroic and inspiring’ is better than what I wrote.

    We need to stop this ‘Never Again Education Act’ in its tracks … somehow we failed to stop all of the asinine ‘holocaust’ museums across the US built with taxpayer dollar$. But this is going to be MANDATORY INDOCTRINATION if we don’t stop it … 

  96. Kouros says:

    There shouldn’t be any debate that there is a Holocaust industry that tries to extract perpetual benefits, especially for Israel.

    However, the way we have established that the evolution is a thing, shouldn’t question the millions killed in the concentration camps. I would instead focus on the thoughts and wishes of the survivors, that in their vast majority would decry what is done with their suffering and with the memory of all those gone up in smoke.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
    , @Lazza L
  97. Saggy says: • Website
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Meaning both you Holocaust deniers and the Holocaust official story industry are babbling about what you have no proof of either way.

    You have to study the holohoax, you can’t sit back from afar and make idiotic statements like the above. YOU HAVE TO STUDY THE SUBJECT.

    It is trivially easy to demonstrate the hoax. E.g. Elie Wiesel’s book ‘Night’ … he was in Auschwitz for a year when the Nazis were supposedly killing 10,000 Jews per day in gas chambers disguised as shower rooms, and ‘Night’ describes his experiences. He doesn’t mention gas chambers, he does mention taking a shower several times, purposefully for disinfection. He writes that the Nazis killed the Jews by tossing them alive into burning pits, one for children, one for adults. The first director of the USHMM, a Nobel Prize winner, is an obvious degenerate liar. His lies have the full authority of Yad Vashem and the USHMM. They are all pathological liars and there is proof right there.

  98. @Rational

    1) WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF ANTI-ANTISEMITISM? and WHO has the authority to give it to us.
    Cause as far I know the Arabs, especially the Palestinians, ARE SEMITES.
    Not to mention, how many Palestinian semites are murdered every day by the hands of the Jew semites.

    [MORE]

    2) HOW RACIST, DISCRIMINATORY AND ANTI-AMERICAN, or ANTI-FRENCH, or ANTI-HELLENIC, or ANTI-ITALIAN is, THIS RUSH FROM AMERICAN ELECTED POLITICIANS, TO MAKE LAWS AGAINST THOSE WHO ARE CONCERNED OF THE CRIMINAL ACTS OF ISRAEL and its supporters, which by the way to my knowledge Americans pay them to a tune of billions of American tax dollars every year?
    So, WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? Do I see traces of TREASON?

    3) IT IS AT LEAST IRONIC AND HYPOCRITICAL, WHILE THEY DENY THE EXISTENCE OF GOD, OR TO BE MORE ACCURATE, THEIR PREDECESSORS MURDER GOD, TO ACCUSE THE REST OF US as, holocaust deniers and on top of this THEY WANT TO DESTROY REPUTATIONS, CAREERS, FAMILIES, ETC., like they want to do with Mr. Latson.

    4) AN ADVICE TO THOSE JEWS, I AM REFERRING ABOVE:
    GO MAKE LOVE TO YOURSELVES ass-O-s

  99. Zumbuddi says:
    @Kouros

    Just another way to demand, Worship the Jew.

    No sale.

  100. The holocaust narrative makes no sense at all.

    Why would the Germans not just shoot the jews and be done with it? Why were the jews put in work camps, given food,clothing, shelter…..gyms, theaters, hospitals, swimming pools, bordellos?

    If the Germans had wanted to genocide the jews, they would have made quick work of it.

    The goal wasn’t slaughter; the goal was containment of the communist virus.

    The German people knew what the jews had done nextdoor in Russia, they knew that the Bolsheviks had slaughtered MILLIONS of innocent people, raped nuns, murdered priests, burned churches to the ground….and the Germans knew they were NEXT.

    Hitler wanted to move the jews to Palestine and had a deal with the zionists to do so. The zionists tried to engineer the movement of jewry to Palestine but things went wrong.

    As mentioned above, if you plan to slaughter people, why give them a tat?

    Nothing about the holocaust narrative makes sense. It’s absurd.

    Yes jews died, for sure. It was after all a WORLD WAR where 55 million people lost their lives.

    TBH, I don’t care. I’m tired of hearing about it.

  101. Rurik says:
    @Rurik

    After posting that video of Judas grubbily collecting his shekels, I thought, let’s put a modern-day face to our current Judas.

    It brought me back to the year 2000, when I was in Jerusalem, and visited the museum at Yad Vashem, Israel’s Holocaust memorial. …

    The exhibit was stunning, because it showed how the mass persecutions didn’t come from nowhere. For twenty, thirty years, the German medical, political, and media establishments prepared the German people for it by training them to think that Germany needed to be turned into a “safe space” for das Volk, and to do that required expelling from public life the demons that threatened the health of innocent Germans. It was not about that at all, of course, but about rationalizing hatred of the Other — a hatred that eventually turned into an apocalypse.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/exorcism-lgbt-christians/

    ‘Shekels are good. With shekels, I can buy stuff and spend money on me.’

    • Replies: @Svigor
  102. @turtle

    This statement is not logical. It does not logically follow that because they were tattooed they weren’t going to be killed. Livestock are oftentimes branded and killed. You need to rephrase the proposition, otherwise your argument is easily shot down.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @turtle
  103. homahr says:

    I love how Philip Giraldi has this great article on the holohaux today and the bitch named rod dreher over at pat buchanan’s amconmag has a sickening post on aushwitz published. check it out, haven’t seen so much gentile groveling in quite some time.

    • Replies: @Oemikitlob
    , @Rurik
  104. S says:

    ..no one complains more often or at greater volume than American Jewish groups intent on preserving the benefits that are derived from always being able to claim their perpetual victimhood.

    Utilizing accusations of faux guilt as both a shaming weapon towards other(s), and, more importantly for the accusers, a negative means of social control (via fear and terrorization) of one’s own people, has happened before, as in the case of the United States and it’s Civil War, fought 1861-1865.

    And, too, when a cause is morally dubious, it is sometimes necessary to augment it with something…anything.

    The below excerpt was published in The Atlantic Monthly (now known simply as The Atlantic) in October, 1870, in an article entitled ‘Our Israelitish Brethren’. In more modern English the title would translate as ‘Our Jewish Brothers’. ‘Brethren’, or brothers, is an apparent reference to the unfortunate belief by some Anglo-Saxons that they were of the ‘Lost Tribes of Israel’.

    The reference in the emboldened portion to ‘huge Andersonville outrages’ is to the South’s Andersonville POW camp for captured Union soldiers. The accusations regarding planned systematic mass murder at Andersonville, surrounded with much talk about ‘cattle cars’, the manufacture of leather wallets from the human skin of ‘murdered’ Union prisoners, ‘poisonous injections’ disguised as health measures, the wanton shooting down of prisoners by the commanding officer, the setting upon prisoners of large and ferocious dogs for sport, all constituting ‘crimes against humanity’, for which the declared intention had been to execute, via hanging, the entirety of the upper echelons of the defeated South’s political and military leadership.

    Those plans ultimately fell through, and the accusations regarding Andersonville are now generally, albeit quietly, acknowledged not to have been true.

    All too late, though, for the solitary and hapless Henry Wirz, the commanding officer at Andersonville, who would be hanged in 1865 as a scape goat for Union pique regarding it’s huge war time losses in what was ultimately a largely morally dubious economic war, a war not in any way, shape, or form, in the interest of the vast majority of the public ‘North’ or ‘South’, ie the North’s far more profitable wage slavery (so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’), vs the South’s far less profitable chattel slavery.

    The hanging was ‘botched’, and as Wirz slowly strangled to death, the last words he would hear on this earth uttered by the mouths of hundreds of watching Union spectators, were the chants of ‘Andersonville!’, ‘Andersonville!!’, ‘Andersonville!!!’

    ‘Of the giant wrongs to which they [the Jewish people] have been subjected for the last ten centuries,—the huge Andersonville outrages,—few readers need to be reminded.’

    The Atlantic Monthly (October, 1870) – Our Israelitish Brethren

    Who can estimate the reparation which Christendom owes this interesting and unoffending people? How abundant, how untiring, should be our charity in judging the faults of character which our own superstition has created or developed!

    Of the giant wrongs to which they [the Jewish people] have been subjected for the last ten centuries,—the huge Andersonville outrages,—few readers need to be reminded. In the slaughter of the Jews of Seville, in 1391, thirty-five hundred families were murdered. In 1492, under Ferdinand and Isabella, three hundred thousand heroic Israelites preferred exile to apostasy.

    Many of them found a resting-place only in the grave or in the depths of the sea; for neither Portugal nor Italy nor Mohammedan Morocco would tolerate the presence of a people who would not comply with their superstitions, and who, by their frugality, continence, temperance, and industry, absorbed the wealth of every country in which they lived.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1870/10/our-israelitish-brethren/306257/

  105. Remind me again; Why should white men ever allow these people into their lands?

    • Replies: @Jake
  106. @exiled off mainstreet

    So seeing someone who failed to be exterminated is proof of extermination?

  107. @Hippopotamusdrome

    The Germans themselves estimated that roughly 600,000 Soviet POWs had died as of late February 1942. Here’s a link to a document that was translated for the Nuremberg Trials, but apparently wasn’t entered into the evidence:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120309153932/http://library2.lawschool.cornell.edu/donovan/pdf/Nuremberg_3/Vol_IX_16_15_02.pdf

    In this document, General von Gravenitz (chief of the Wehrmacht supply services) described the causes of the high mortality like so to Reich Minister Dr. Goebbels:

    Furthermore, the OKW counts 1,900,000 Soviet Prisoners of War in the zones of interior and in other occupied areas. As of 1 February 1942, the OKW, according to their tabulation, had available 685,000 Soviet Prisoners of war, and of those 323,000 were present in the Reich. He gave the following reasons for the high mortality: In the great “Kessel” (kettle) battles, the Soviets were contained up to 22 days without any supplies whatsoever. The German armies stormed forward, covering incredibly large distances. The German supply services could bring up to the front only the most necessary ammunitions and living necessities of the fighting troops. Thus, it would have been necessary to feed the Soviet Prisoners of War from supplies of the countryside. However, these supplies had been totally destroyed by the Soviets during their flight-like retreats. The early and abnormal winter did the rest.

    In other words, the Soviet scorched earth tactics destroyed the food supplies the Germans had planned to feed the Soviet prisoners with. So then they starved. No genocidal intent was needed. In fact, later in the same document it says:

    He [still General Gravenitz] quoted the order of the Fuehrer of September 1941 to the effect that Soviet Prisoners of War should be kept in condition to enable them to work.

    Hitler, who according to the politically correct among our historians wanted to have a genocide of all Russians, just because he was a horrible racist, actually ordered his army that they should be fed adequately. Unless this top ranking German general was lying to Goebbels in their top secret conference.

    So in the end, as I already wrote, it’s still true that great numbers of Soviet POWs did die in the winter of 1941/42, and that IS and remains a great tragedy. But again, hundreds of thousands of Axis soldiers on the Eastern Front also died in this same period, and even modern politically correct historians don’t claim that Hitler made his own soldiers a target of genocide. They died because adequate food, fuel, housing and medical care simply wasn’t available when the German logistics system had almost collapsed under the impact of the Russian winter.

    • Replies: @S
  108. Jake says:
    @Robert Dolan

    It is as simple as knowing the story of Jesus the Christ and the Pharisees.

    The latter were the end result of perversions to the faith of Abraham and the law of Moses under the Second Temple. Those who came to control the Second Temple had a religion based on what we today must call racism. To them, the children of Israel being ‘chosen’ was not that they as a tribe, a nation of tribes, were to be set apart to follow God’s law in service to all mankind, and then to be the people from whom would spring the Messias to offer salvation to all mankind. Instead, the Jews who gained control of religious life and teaching, and would culminate in the party the Pharisees, came to believe that the call of Abraham to the chosen people meant that Jews were The Master Race, a race created by God to bestride the globe and rule over the lesser races.

    Those views are, obviously, diametrically opposed.

    And that is the reason that all Judaizing heresies, regardless of the specifics, serve Satan by serving Jewish interests. By the time of the Incarnation, Jewish religion that was not so Satanic was not organized – it was restricted to individuals. The Temple was ruled by that falsehood, and the Pharisees, who mastered synagogue worship to spread the teachings, were worse than the Temple priesthood.

    Jews are defined by being anti-Christ. They also must hate Christendom. Whites built and maintained Christendom, hence whites are object of Jewish hatred that goes much deeper and farther than Jewish hatred of the very blacks who are orthodox in Christian dogmas and morals.

    You cannot overcome Jewish rule with appeals to race because the matter is at heart one of theology. That means you also cannot succeed by relying on any culture tied to, determined by, a Judaizing heresy.

    WASP culture was determined by the Judaizing heresy Anglo-Saxon Puritanism.

    Either you act to try to rebuild Christendom (which requires historic Christianity) in some form, or all your efforts are wasted time and energy at best, and may often serve anti-Christ.

  109. Jake says:
    @Richard B

    “As far as can tell the Chinese and Jewish Supremacy Inc. are pretty much dividing the world up between them.”

    For a very long time, many Jews and WASP Elites have asserted that the Chinese are like the Jews of East Asia.

    Modern China is defined by revolution – whether by monarchists or old fashioned warlords or Marxists – that had one main focus: to exterminate, for all practical purposes, from China all trace of historic Christianity. Mao’s rise came when monarchists decided that Marxism could do that better than any Chinese monarch of the existing or any possible new dynasty.

  110. JohnnyD says:
    @Saggy

    What’s your point? After the War, Finkelstein’s parents married and moved to America. Eventually , they had children in the 1950s. He’s never claimed he was born in a concentration camp, if that’s your point.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  111. Rurik says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    There are any number of possibilities in between

    I agree

    there is absolutely no need to accept the six million figure merely on say so

    here you’re wrong.

    if you doubt the holy ‘six million’ figure in Europe or Canada or many countries, they will put you in prison.

    As I understand it, the holy ‘six million’ liturgy, is a sacramental tenet of ‘Holocaustianity’ indoctrination in our public schools.

    More here:

    WHEREAS, the Holocaust was the systematic persecution and annihilation of European Jewry by Nazi Germany and its collaborators between 1933 and 1945; and

    WHEREAS, Jews were the primary victims—six million were murdered…

    https://www.michigan.gov/documents/mde/Holocaust_Resolution_230546_7.pdf

    and then when you contemplate these edicts:

    WHEREAS, the history of the Holocaust offers an opportunity to reflect on the moral responsibilities of individuals, societies, and governments; and

    WHEREAS, the people of the State of Michigan should always remember the terrible events of the Holocaust and remain vigilant against hatred, persecution, and tyranny; and

    WHEREAS, the people of the State of Michigan should actively rededicate themselves to the principles of individual freedom in a just society; and

    WHEREAS, the Days of Remembrance have been set aside for the people of the State of Michigan to remember the victims of the Holocaust as well as to reflect on the need for respect of all peoples…

    and then you find out all that ‘big talk is worth doodly-squat’.

    These measures, which are now Public Acts 526 and 527 of 2016, condemn national origin discrimination and thus the efforts of the anti-Israel boycott, divestment, and sanctions movement (BDS).

    https://brandeiscenter.com/michigan-governor-signs-anti-bds-bills-into-law-2/

    because in some cases, not only is genocide laudable and good, and “discrimination” against Palestinians (up to and including massacring unarmed protesters and all manor of depraved persecution), is to be celebrated, but now any attempt to boycott Israel for its ongoing genocide of the Palestinians, is banned by Michigan law.

    So they demand, (out of one side of their treasonous faces) that by law that we all pay homage to the Holocaust, (and the holy ‘six million’), and condemn genocide in every class room in that state, but at the same time, (out of the other side of their rancid souls) demand that all children in Michigan also support an ongoing genocide- because acting like Jews are subject to the same standard as Gentiles, is the worst kind of anti-Semitism of all!

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  112. Jake says:
    @Bill Jones

    Well, not to have allowed them back into England would have made the Anglo-Saxon Puritans seem wrong theologically to many they bludgeoned into accepting their rule. Plus, Cromwell and the Puritans needed money, and the Jews in Continental Germanic speaking areas, especially the Netherlands, had a lot of cash to loan Reformationists.

    Anglo-Saxon Puritans thus cemented the alliance of WASP and Jew.

  113. crankypat says:

    If the holocaust was real then why didn’t Eisenhower and De Gaul mention it in the books that they wrote after the war. After all they hated Germans and had every reason to mention it.

    https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t553062/

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
  114. @homahr

    I went over and read it. Typical and predictable. Subjective. None of the comments, thus far, cite any work(s) to support their view.

  115. dkshaw says:

    This is the sort of bullshit that leads to MORE “anti-Semitism”, not less. Perpetual victims indeed, and that’s how they like it.

  116. @Jake

    Yes, you make some good points. You echo E. Michael Jones.

    However…..the likelihood of a massive Christian revival is not looking good. The churches are totally cucked. The current Pope seems to actually despise Christendom in his celebration of massive immigration.

    I don’t see any way for whites to survive unless they unify and engage in identity politics.

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @Kolya Krassotkin
  117. There are 3 myths which control and manipulate American minds.

    Don’t believe in the Jewish Holocaust myth and you are a jew hating nazi.

    Don’t believe in the war over slavery myth and you are a racist defending slavery.

    Don’t believe in the Jesus myth and you are going to hell.

    Classical conditioning is used to manipulate people into becoming emotional over these myths, just like Pavlov’s dogs. This is why Jews become emotional if you do not believe the jewish holocaust myth. It is stimulus and response, the bell and the emotional state, fear, anger, etc.

    Don’t expect to change their minds. They are zombies. Their mind is under the control of the myth, not through reasoning, but through classical conditioning, the cornerstone of propaganda.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  118. Mr. Wales says:
    @Robert Dolan

    The Jews are smart. They seized upon a historical situation, used it as springboard to make propaganda and have been reaping the benefits ever since. The holocaust narrative has become a myth of modern western culture.

    You either believe or don’t believe a myth. The moment a myth is questioned it is no longer a myth. It becomes an object of criticism and loses it’s grip on people.

    The Jews have sought by every means possible to keep this myth alive. They will try to establish a dictatorship to preserve the myth. This is exactly what they are trying to do right now.

    They have been buying people off who aren’t Jewish to spread the myth. Propaganda in schools, film, radio and print. On the internet and in the church. It’s been a remarkably effective effort. The Jews should applaud themselves.

    This is the day and age we live in. Times are changing as the myth has been questioned. Soon the holocaust boat will spring so many leaks that even the Jews with all their money and enablers won’t be able to plug all the holes and the myth will sink.

  119. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:

    Wow Philip finally crossed the holocaust rubicon. His following must be slacking off for him to dive into the deep end of denial. The last safe harbor for a Jew hater is accepting the holocaust as factual which it is. Yad Vashem has 4.5 million listed knowing that they will be made to reconcile their info so I am sure the names and birth certificates are accurate. When I was growing up (70) no one ever talked about the Holocaust and it was never mentioned in school.

    Latson deserves what he gets coming out with a complete denial of the Holocaust in a majority Jewish school system. Like he did not know what was going to happen. Parents have a right to control their curriculum and set of truths. If children of survivors are upset makes sense. What happened if a teacher decides that slavery was a good thing for blacks as it got them out of Africa. I guess we would see the last of that teacher. Teachers do not decide curriculum they teach.

    The Holocaust did happened there are eyewitness and physical evidence. Just look at the photos of the 400,000 Hungarian Jews’ arrival at Auschwitz almost none of them survived and it is very well documented from the family members. There were millions of deaths during the war, but none as spectacular as what the Germans did to the Jews with their early gassing vans, and firing squads of up to 40,000 Jews in Babi Yar, the Warsaw ghetto, the involvement mothers and children. It was a spectacle. It did happen. There was to much history over vast quantities of land and countries for it to have been faked.

    Well I hope Philips readership gets its boost, he has pretty much been booted out of MSM. Now he will be further on the fringe.

  120. Svigor says:
    @Wally

    I’m a holocaust skeptic or agnostic, but what’s interesting is what the holocaust narrative proves so well: how easy it would be to fake a holocaust, given a sufficiently wealthy and motivated group of devotees, and a sufficiently naive/spineless group of saps to sell on it.

    You really don’t need anything but a bunch of books and a bunch of hot air and a complete lack of what the goyim would call traditional morality.

    Whether you believe the Jewish holocaust narrative or not, you have to admit, after cursory examination, that the only “evidence” they have is a bunch of Jewish scribbling and a bunch of Jewish hot air. It’s roughly equivalent to a science about hundreds of species of dinosaur based on a single claw bone.

  121. ….“the horrors of the Holocaust are fading from our collective memory…”

    This is terrible. The answer is more movies. Also, the popular hip-hop music could be used to teach our young people about the Holocaust. But movies are probably best. We need Holocaust films that make the death and suffering visceral. I want to see a film that shows the electrified floors, the cages with the bears and eagles, the masturbation machines, the stairs of death, the German Shepard dogs attacking the poor violinists who missed a note and the roller coaster that delivered victims to the gas chambers.

    Those are the scenes that will get people’s attention and get the horrors back into our collective memories.

  122. Wally says:
    @Oemikitlob

    Your statement is not logical.

    Are you saying that, like some livestock, the Germans ate Jews after tattooing them?

    BTW:
    The German SS tattooed their men.

    • Replies: @Oemikitlob
  123. sally says:
    @Rational

    The point here is important.. as it speaks to the first amendment.. Congress shall make no law that abridges the freedom of speech or of the press..
    There are two things to notice.. that the speech or publication is without penalty, the constitution says so, no one can stop the speech or publication.. but the content and context of the speech or publication is not protected it can be punished in this case with ruthless vindictive and wanton, warmonger anger it seems… by a private third party a special very narrow Jewish interest.. .
    Third party content and content actions against speech or publication could be an unintended “gift” derived from the “constitution generated by amendment and the rule of law generated by the Congress against exposing by speech or publication the truth”. Has the USA given to the Americans it governs a gift in disguise? .. Punishing not speech or publication but its content or context opens the door to sue fake news for offense, deceitful or fake content or production of such in given contexts.. When propaganda is a lie, when propaganda is produced to deceive . when propaganda causes damages. a tort might be claimed.? a system of government which allows content and content of first American protected speech or publication, could open the door to go after fake news and to recover damages for lies and misstatements. it seem to me. IANAL ..

  124. Svigor says:
    @Rurik

    For twenty, thirty years, the German medical, political, and media establishments prepared the German people for it by training them to think that Germany needed to be turned into a “safe space” for das Volk, and to do that required expelling from public life the demons that threatened the health of innocent Germans. It was not about that at all, of course

    Yeah, actually, it was.

    And is.

    My guess is that the Shabbos Goyim are the recurring tragedy least written-about; they’re a perennial growth, and I doubt they fare well during expulsions or other corrections of Jews. I’ve certainly never even heard of a Jew’s lament for collateral damage against the Shabbos Goyim.

    I at least hope they don’t fare well during the next.

  125. Truth3 says:

    Liars and Hypocrites before the time of Christ (He certainly called them what they were) will never stop lying, or being hypocritical (chutzpah!), as their weapons of mass psychological suppression of the Truth.

    The so called HC is the best example possible (((of the people that so hate mankind))) that no extreme exertion of falsehood is to be regarded as shameful to the liars and their willing accomplices and co-conspirators.

    They Double Down Every Day.

  126. Wally says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Ah yes, the latest attempt to move away from the absurd & impossible ‘gas chambers’ to the equally absurd “holocaust by bullets”.
    Because of Revisionist research in debunking the ‘gas chambers’, the “Holocau$t Industry” is now trying to shift the emphasis away from their absurd ‘gassings’ claims.
    The problem for those shysters is that Revisionists are all over the equally impossible claims made of the Einsatzgruppen.
    The ridiculous claims made about of the Einsatzgruppen were originally, but fraudulently claimed to be supplemental to the much larger ‘gas chambers’ tales.
    Indeed, the Einsatzgruppen really did exist, but only as legal, anti terrorist teams working behind the lines against illegal non-uniformed combatants.

    The fraudulent ‘holocau$t’ Industry now claims that 2,000,000 Jews or more were shot by the Einsatzgruppen into huge pits (“holocaust by bullets”), so, anyone, please SHOW us the actual excavations, the enormous mass graves, & remains that are claimed to exist, their locations are allegedly known.
    Is that:
    100 graves of 20,000?
    200 graves of 10,000?
    400 graves of 5,000?
    500 graves of 4,000?
    1000 graves of 2000?
    2000 graves of 1000?

    recommended:
    The Einsatzgruppen in the Occupied Eastern Territories, Genesis, Missions and Actions
    https://codoh.com/news/3424/The Einsatzgruppen Trial, By John Wear: https://codoh.com/library/document/5515/?lang=en
    ‘Holocaust by Bullets: Uncovering the Reality of alleged Genocide’: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7362
    Mattogno demolishes claimed ‘Holocaust by Bullets’ ‘mass graves’ fraud
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9768
    “Holocaust by Bullets” debunked: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5410

    • Replies: @Republic
  127. Svigor says:
    @flashlight joe

    It’s very, very good tactics to wed belief in the holocaust myth to belief in the Jesus/Hell myth precisely because nobody believes in the Jesus/Hell myth anymore; it instantly places the holocaust myth in its proper context, highlights the indisputable fact that the holocaust is myth, not history, because it can’t be questioned.

  128. Rurik says:
    @homahr

    check it out, haven’t seen so much gentile groveling in quite some time.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/sunday-morning-at-auschwitz/

    this is the crematorium, where four million! .. er, um.. I mean one and a half million! Jews were put into ovens!

    If you look carefully, you can see scrape marks all over the floors, where Nazis shoveled up Jewish lard to make soap!

    They literally were filling huge vats of fat every hour, and that’s why there’s no mass graves, because all the Jews were turned to fat in those ovens, and those diabolical (if clever!) Nazis used it all for soap. That’s why the Nazis were so hygienic, because they were constantly washing themselves with this soap. (it’s well been proven that Jewish fat makes superior soap, unlike Gypsy fat, which tends not to hold its shape as well, and falls apart in the ‘shower’.

    That’s how the Jews knew the showers were a ruse, because they’d try to wash, and the soap would crumple, and then a rabbi would shout ‘it’s Gypsy fat!’, and so the Jews would rush the wooden doors of the gas chambers, but those damn methodical Nazis had blocked the exit with pallets of the chosen soap.

    When you get into the real aspects of the Holocaust, it’s really amazing the level of rascally cunning of those darn Nazis, because not only did they keep the best soap for themselves, they gave the sub-par stuff to the Jews.

  129. Svigor says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Yad Vashem has 4.5 million listed knowing that they will be made to reconcile their info so I am sure the names and birth certificates are accurate. When I was growing up (70) no one ever talked about the Holocaust and it was never mentioned in school.

    Is this tongue-in-cheek? Because it’s pretty funny. YV has a bunch of phony data on their site, they’ve been caught out for it, which is common knowledge among people who refuse to worship Jews.

    It was never mentioned

    The last safe harbor for a Jew hater is accepting the holocaust as factual which it is.

    How is this supposed to make sense?

    spectacular as what the Germans did to the Jews with their early gassing vans

    This is a particularly funny example, but your entire comment is so bad, it’s really gotta be written by a playful revisionist. The logic is especially bad.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Fran Taubman
  130. Art says:
    @Honesty

    Sir, foxnews is reporting that the fake passport recovered in Epstein’s locker places him as a resident of Saudi Arabia – and that is from the 80’s. What is going on here? This is so weird (and scary). How much of penetration we have from foreign groups in USA

    FOX did not reveal the country who issued the passport – WHY – who could that be?

    COVERUP! COVERUP! COVERUP!

    DEEP STATE RULES!

    Does anyone still believe that there is anything honorable about the US government?

    The grand experiment called America has been turned into a hoax by the Jews.

  131. Svigor says:
    @exiled off mainstreet

    From my Ph. D. research and seeing survivors with tattoos I am convinced that the Nazi regime did engage in exterminations, but I know that Jewish people were not the only targets. The actual number exterminated is open to interpretation, but a great many were obviously exterminated. Proof that something happened can be seen in comparisons of the ethnic makeup of territories before and after Nazi occupation. Over 3 Million Soviet POW’s were also liquidated in Nazi camps and hundreds of thousands of other non-Jewish people were also liquidated.

    Somehow the standards of evidence become lower in the minds of holocaust cultists, by dint of the scale. You’d think it would be the other way around; that proving 1k people were killed would require 1k times as much evidence as proving 1 person was killed, so to speak, but it doesn’t.

    E.g., in court you can’t use the fact that someone has gone missing as “proof” they’ve been murdered. Generally speaking, if you can’t prove a person is dead, you can’t try someone for his murder, at least, not in an American court. You need enough of a body (a torso without a head; a head without a torso; a heart; etc) to prove death, or enough remains of one to prove death, or video recording of his death, etc.

    This is, at least in part, precisely to prevent some (((asshole))) from faking his own death and benefiting from the deed, from punishing someone for a capital crime that hasn’t even been proven to have occurred, and to prevent people from being punished for “murdering” people who have simply left in secret (moving in the dark of night is certainly something Jews are no stranger to, historically speaking).

    But for the holocaust myth, the situation is reversed; since you’re “proving” millions died, you don’t need any evidence that anyone died at all.

    recalling George Carlin’s view that political correctness was nothing more than polite fascism

    I love the “fascism” thing because as soon as you use that word, you’ve conceded that you are fighting a losing, rear-guard action. To choose “fascism” as epithet when “communism” is appropriate is to admit that you are in fact living under a communist or communist-adjacent regime, and have to use communist lingo and epithets to get through to the sheep.

  132. Svigor says:
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    You got it wrong. Women—affluent white women, specifically—crowd the top of the totem pole of grievances along with the Jews.

    Citation needed. I’m open to your thesis, but it’s gonna take statistics.

    • Agree: S
  133. Rurik says:
    @Fran Taubman

    The Holocaust did happened there are eyewitness and physical evidence.

    The eyewitnesses accounts are beyond question!

    and here is just one such photograph of physical evidence!

    that’s a lampshade to you anti-Semites, made of Jewish skin!

    and look at how the Nazis would shrink the heads of Jews for their sick amusement!

    Here’s a close-up for all the deniers!

    Go ahead and just try to deny that, Nazis and anti-Semites and Palestinian and Iranian terrorists!

    The evidence is right there in front of your eyes, and still they would deny!

    Sick, sick, sick!

    They’re so full of hate, Linda, that one wonders at the intractability of anti-Semitism all though the centuries.

    They even gave the Jews Gypsy soap in the ‘showers’, and it crumbled as soon as they tried to use it!

    Devils that the Nazis (all Germans!) were , and are! In fact we see these vile anti-Semites here in droves, denying the Holy Holocaust!, and pretending that Palestinians are human!

    where does the hate come from?!?!?!?!

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  134. Svigor says:
    @Svigor

    When I was growing up (70) no one ever talked about the Holocaust and it was never mentioned in school.

    I was going to reply to that particularly funny tidbit, quoted a fragment of it, and then forgot to follow through.

    Now that I’ve quoted the full sentence, I think the humor stands on its own.

  135. @S

    Excellent point’s all. And let us never forget it was the South’s house Joo who sabotaged much of the Confederacy war effort.

    “If the South is to have any chance of gaining independence, it will have to win early, before the more industrialized and populated North can outlast them. The first battle of the war at Bull Run (Manassas, Virginia) is therefore critical. To make a long story short, the rebels force a Union retreat that soon turns into a full rout. The Battle of Bull Run will soon be referred to by some as “The Battle of Yankee Run”.

    “The Union Capital, Washington DC, is just miles away and now essentially undefended. It is the South’s for the taking. The capture of DC and other parts north would have delivered a huge psychological blow to the North. Because many northerners aren’t in favor of the war anyway; the capture of DC might very well have ended the war that same year. But instead of finishing the job, someone has decided to spare the Capital – a decision that inflames the Southern press and leads to bitter finger-pointing.”
    http://www.tomatobubble.com/id866.html

    • Replies: @S
  136. Truth3 says:
    @Rurik

    You should take a look at the controlled comment section after the article…

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/sunday-morning-at-auschwitz/

    Shocking that nobody… and I mean nobody… challenges the falsehoods and propaganda that riddle that article.

    Mr. Unz, look what they have done to your magazine.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Rurik
    , @homahr
    , @Ron Unz
  137. @Steve Naidamast

    Before the 1967 ‘Six Day War’, I was in junior high school (Middle School) in NY state.

    I remember being required to read a short story called ‘No News From Auschwitz”. This was around 1966. As I recall, this short story (or was it an essay?) was centered around Jewish victimhood and Jewish innocence and the lack of contemporary focus on what later became known as ‘the Holocaust’.

    Indeed, the word ‘holocaust’ was still a generic term back then. It had no popular connection to Jewishness or WWII. ‘Holocaust’ became redefined after the ’73 war as far as I remember.

    But the Jews even then were busy using the classroom (at least in NY) to brainwash innocent minds. And their tribal fanaticism is still growing, despite Germany’s dismemberment.

    Incredibly, Holocaust-mania has increased (not faded, like most memories) every decade since WWII. This distance allows Zionists to streamline and modify their fanciful narrative with less resistance.

    Today’s Jews are working overtime to elevate and keep the focus on their alleged victimhood as intense as possible so they can employ US power to cut down Israel’s remaining foes in Iran, Palestine, Syria, Lebanon and elsewhere.

    Religious and secular Jews alike are intent to ‘Rule the Nations’, as their Torah prophasizes. Holocaust mythology remains a key weapon for this purpose.

  138. @Fran Taubman

    ” Parents have a right to control their curriculum and set of truths.”

    I agree and hope you will remember this.

    “, he has pretty much been booted out of MSM.”

    Not necessarily a bad thing…

    “Now he will be further on the fringe.”

    I believe history will vindicate him but you are entitled to your opinion.

  139. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Latson deserves what he gets coming out with a complete denial of the Holocaust in a majority Jewish school system.

    Kudos to Mr. Latson – Kudos to PG for defending him – the six million lie is crumbling!

    The coercion around that lie is seeing the light of day. Yes, bad things happened – but the Jews are compounding them.

    The Jew have squandered the the worlds sympathy. They are recreating the conditions in America, that existed in Germany after WWI.

  140. @Rational

    Yes, one incredibly courageous man!

  141. henderson says:

    “Where are the museums and courses in Florida schools discussing the mass killing that happened on our own shores, the genocide of the native Americans?”

    and as usual on all these related websites – there it is. Never fails.
    Don’t worry, buddy- you’ll get what you want.
    They have some of them already but it’s a growth market.

    It’s Holocaust Education-

  142. @exiled off mainstreet

    Did you do your PHD in Feminine Studies? Which clown college did you attend? So what if they had tattoos? How is that proof of an extermination campaign, when I can just as easily argue that it was purely utilized for identification purposes. How is seeing some octogenarian with some faded tattoo etched on her body proof that the holocaust occurred?

  143. @Fran Taubman

    You are probably one of the Israel-firster super boomer goyims that we keep hearing about!

  144. PeterMX says:

    This is why some people have said the so called holocaust is now a religion demanding belief in its tenets, including the magical number 6 million, or face being charged with being sacreligious. Isn’t this just more evidence of who are the oppressors and who dominate countries. Meanwhile, Jews dominant role in mass murder as the leaders of communism is forbidden to be discussed, lest you be fired for that. The lies are so glaring that about less than 1% of the west (even those in Russia or Ukraine) know of the Jews leading role. I have a feeling that if Russians and Ukrainians knew of the Jews role in communism and their complicity in mass murder, Ukraine would not have elected its second Jewish President in a row and the Russia – Ukraine war might end soon.

  145. @Rurik

    https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/on-chosen-mess/#comment-3300548

    Dr. Schramm told me about a new synthetic fat which had just been invented. Elaborate experiments were being made to produce not only a substitute for soap but also an edible compound to supplement animal fats and vegetable oils. This, he claimed, would soon remedy blockaded Germany’s chief dietary danger, since it could be produced from chemical constituents abundantly available. . . . Into the Darkness, by Stoddard, publ. 1940 https://www.unz.com/book/lothrop_stoddard__into-the-darkness/

    The above is from a book published in 1940, before the main event — it was not until 1942 that Rabbi Stephen Wise insisted that FDR’s administration pay attention to the telegrams about “Nazis killing Jews.”

    We can assume that “Jews” were not the source for the “chemical constituents” used to make the soap and “edible compounds that had just been invented” since the invention pre-dated their propaganda.

    Also interesting that the demand for the chemical substitute for soap arose as a result of the blockade of Germany imposed by Jews.

    Shouldn’t the children at Spanish River High School be made aware of this chronology?

    PS re the very well done video @57 that saggy posted
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/teaching-holocaust/#comment-3333859

    While showing women showering post-camp-liberation, the BBC narrator comments, snidely,
    ” . . . and the Germans said these people did not know how to keep themselves clean.” (or something like that).
    a. Those women looked pretty healthy
    b. How do we know they were Jewish?
    c. Which begs the question: 7 million German civilians were deliberately “de-housed” as a calculated result of the Allied firebombing campaign. Where did they go? Were Germans ever resident in concentration / work camps? (iirc the video mentions that far more Roman Catholics than Jews died in camps.)

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
    , @Rurik
  146. S says:
    @John Regan

    ..the Soviet scorched earth tactics destroyed the food supplies the Germans had planned to feed the Soviet prisoners with. So then they starved. No genocidal intent was needed.

    Am reminded here a bit of the very rare, though grudging, acknowledgements of the US establishment media in the decades after the Civil War that the deaths at Andersonville and other Southern POW camps had largely been caused by the North’s own complete blockade of food and medicine (having been declared ‘contraband’) entering the South.

    However, even if one were to accept every last accusation there was regarding the Germans in WWII, as questionable as certain of them may be, ie the ‘six million’, attempted ‘genocide’ of various peoples, conquering European Russia up to the Urals and the Russians being the ‘Red Skins’ outside of it in Siberia, the Germans ‘enslaving’ various conquered peoples and wishing to be ‘the master race’ over them, etc, etc., it still would only be a tenth of the crimes committed in the name of Capitalism, Communism, and their synthesis, Multi-Culturalism.

    In this inverted world, besides often being simple projection, those accusations regarding the US South and WWII era Germany help deflect from examining the far greater criminality.

    And, a person can point these things out without being a believer of the Southern Confederacy, an ‘anti-semite’, or a ‘Nazi!’TM.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  147. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Svigor

    The data is bullet proof. Think of all those people with families who went missing. Whole families went in and only a brother or sister came out. The evidence is staggering and cross checked with computer models. It is up to the deniers to prove it did not happen. You should watch the movie Shoa by Claude Landsman 1987, he secretly records the train drives and locals. The testimony is there from non Jews.
    https://community.hpe.com/t5/Behind-the-scenes-Labs/Labs-Yad-Vashem-hackathon-Innovation-in-the-service-of-memory/ba-p/6827508#.XS4S_C3MyL4

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @Anon
  148. @Robert Dolan

    We will have to agree to disagree on that. I believe some kind of mass murder occurred, just nowhere near the scale of what has been purported.

    My point is that even in the event if that Hollywoodized version were true, it ought not to matter given that similar events have occurred before and after, some of them on a wider scale and better documented. I do not accept the notion that only one such event is “special” or “sacred” above others; and that the “perpetrators” and their ancestors merit damnatio memoriae.

  149. @Jacques Sheete

    Thanks for the mention of the book all the same. Will be looking out for it.

  150. Truth3 says:

    The Nonsense of Equating ‘Hatred’ with ‘Evil’. Or… H=E

    As Satan (((and his people))) attempt to stamp the idea that H=E onto every Human mind, it should be noted…

    Hatred of Evil (and other malefactors) is actually righteous.

    Only the Evil could benefit from this H=E nonsense… (((Cui Bono?)))

    Righteousness is what the Evil Ones Hate.

    I Hate Waste, therefore I am on the side of proper and wise use of God’s given resources.

    I Hate Filth, therefore I am for Sanitation.

    I Hate Disease, therefore I am for Health.

    I Hate Evil, therefore I am on side of the Good.

    I Hate Liars, therefore I love Truth.

    I Hate Schemers & Cheaters, therefore I am for Honest Dealings.

    I Hate Theft & Thieves, therefore I am for Victims and Restitution of Personal Property stolen.

    I Hate Abortion, therefore I am a Protector of the Not Yet Born Babies

    I Hate Murder, therefore I am on the side of the Victims whose Life was taken.

    I Hate War, therefore I am on the side of Peace.

    See… I’m a Hater… and Proud of It.

    • Replies: @Oemikitlob
  151. @Svigor

    I cannot provide statistics for this sort of thing as they would either be impossible to prove, or those who have the ability to prove such things would be disgusted by my thesis.

    But reading, say, El País, El Clarín, Le Figaro, Le Monde, Der Spiegel, or the Asahi shimbun on any given day—to say nothing of Anglo-American media, or various other websites—leads me to conclude that Western media believes that no greater victim exists than woman. There is seemingly not a single day that goes by where El País and El Clarín, for example, devote at least a couple of articles to “femicide”, implying that the even larger rates of men being murdered is somehow acceptable.

  152. @ChuckOrloski

    What did the article conclude, CO?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  153. @Oemikitlob

    Turning generations of children over to this institution was the beginning of much of what we see and experience today, it’s just been a long, slow process. Oh, and we foot the bill for our own destruction, too. Pretty slick

    .

    Agree. It’s what you get when you trust “authority” to do the right thing. And footing the bill for our own destruction really hurts, but almost no one seems to care if they notice at all. Gotta have dem roadz!

    • Replies: @Oemikitlob
    , @Zumbuddi
  154. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    You morons seem to imagine that there are two possibilities, and two only:

    Wrong. We morons know there is only one option and it’s #2.

  155. @Robert Dolan

    The goal wasn’t slaughter; the goal was containment of the communist virus.

    True. The Wall Street and London Communist virus, in fact.

  156. Art says:
    @Truth3

    You should take a look at the controlled comment section after the article…

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/sunday-morning-at-auschwitz/

    Shocking that nobody… and I mean nobody… challenges the falsehoods and propaganda that riddle that article.

    Editing – you can be 100% sure that all descending views were edited out.

    So much for premium “conservative” free speech.

    There is zero integrity in all elite strata – right, left, and center in the US.

    What evil the Jew have wrought!

    • Replies: @FLgeezer
  157. @JayJonahJameson

    Still, there is entirely too much time and energy spent on the subject. There are far more pressing issues these days….

    Oh, absolutely. The only consolation is that the grip of this narrative seems to finally be giving way. I will probably not live long enough to see this total transformation, but likely will see the inevitable beginning of mainstream questioning of the event. In time, probably over a couple centuries, once the living memory of Allied propaganda has finally been silenced, the events of World War II will finally be able to be discussed with all the dispassionate objectivity that we now reserve for things like the Thirty Years’ War or the respective Warring States Periods of China and Japan.

  158. @mark green

    I’m reading The Reckoning, by John Grisham

    The main character, Peter Banning, was one of the ~100,000 Americans & Filipinos who surrendered and endured the Bataan Death March, then Japanese POW camps.

    Grisham devotes about 1/3 of the book to describing the terrible cruelties the Japanese inflicted; he says he read dozens of books on WWII in the Pacific.

    Many reader reviews were negative; some were vicious. (I’ve not finished the book, but I think it an extraordinary work; I believe the Key to the moral, that ties together two major plot lines, is from the Prosecutor’s closing statement at Banning’s trial for murder:

    “Why could it not have been settled without bloodshed?!!”

    I think The Reckoning is an anti-war book, and an indictment on the American proclivity for violence.

    Anyway — I’m not aware of narratives of German brutality comparable to the Japanese tortures Banning experienced and witnessed.

    Only the Jews seem to have been tortured by Nazis.

    And Jews have to fake the stories.

    The damn Germans were just not sufficiently brutal for their record to stand on its own merits.

    I also don’t think that Jews are the only segment of the population that feels compelled to protect the holohoax at all costs: On the relatively few occasions when the Allied firebombing campaign is discussed — and condemned, to be sure — only Dresden is in the common discourse, and most of the blame is ascribed to the British, and specifically to Arthur Harris.

    But Americans were involved in the deliberate firebombing of German civilians “with malice aforethought,” — with written plans, the deliberate intention to kill as many German civilians as possible, and well before what Phil refers to as “the alleged holocaust” (luv ya, Phil!) is claimed to have become known. That is, the American firebombing campaign was not in retaliation for the “alleged holocaust”, it was part of Allied war goals from early on.

    The holocaust narrative was contrived at war’s end as a cover-up to American, British, and yes, Jewish war crimes and crimes against humanity. Cora Sol Goldstein as much as admits this in the opening paragraphs of “Capturing the German Eye.” https://books.google.com/books?id=d-Qyqp15fDkC&q=bandersky#v=snippet&q=omgus&f=false

    re that last, “Jewish war crimes” —
    @ 100, Robert Dolan wrote:

    Hitler wanted to move the jews to Palestine and had a deal with the zionists to do so. The zionists tried to engineer the movement of jewry to Palestine but things went wrong.

    The devil is in the details:
    a. Louis Brandeis was the zionist capo tutti capi; very early on — mid-February, 1933, he directed that “all Jews leave Germany; no Jew should remain in Germany . . . I urge that all 587,000 German Jews leave . . .”

    Rabbi Stephen Wise recorded the conversation in his autobiography, including the specificity in identifying the ethnicity and number of Jews to be migrated out of Germany.

    At the time — early 1933 — there may have been as many as 2 million Jews in Germany — refugees and “illegal immigrants” from Poland and Russia who were aided to migrate to Germany during WWI and Weimar, by Jewish aid societies.

    Brandeis did not specify that those Eastern European Jews should be removed from Germany.

    b. A strong case can be made that zionists did not want the vast numbers of Eastern European Jews in Palestine:
    – they were eugenically unfit for the “new Jew” to create the zionist utopia. Etan Bloom makes this clear in his biography of Arthur Ruppin, who “produced Hebrew culture in zionist Palestine.”
    – Palestine did not yet have the holding capacity
    AND
    – based on a statement by Michael Ledeen in a talk about 15 years ago, Jews re-enacted the scene at the foot of Mt. Sinai, when “Jews killed Jews . . . Levites killed Jews, and I am a proud Levite.”

    c. Zionist Jews either killed directly or set up their own tribesmen for ‘holocaust.’ Deliberately and with full knowledge. According to plan, not “wrong”

  159. Some people did something. I simply don’t give a shit.
    I suppose it’s because I was schooled before the “Holocaust” became a required subject – you know, just reading, writing and ‘rithmetic.
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/politics/oregon-governor-holocaust-education-bill-schools/index.html

  160. @S

    … for neither Portugal nor Italy nor Mohammedan Morocco would tolerate the presence of a people who would not comply with their superstitions…

    Reminds me of the holocaust freaks and their attitude towards all who question their narrative. And seems to me that there’s an article somewhere on UR today about how intolerant the Zio-goons can be to those who fail to comply with their superstitions… 😉

  161. @Robert Dolan

    The goal wasn’t slaughter; the goal was containment of the communist virus.

    Same in the East Asian theatre during World War II. Japan correctly understood that the Kuomintang was essentially a US puppet, and that it was only aggravating the real threat posed by the CPC. Seventy years later, historians now talk about an “Asian Holocaust” with a straight face.

  162. This is the most thoroughgoing rebuttal of the official holocaust narrative I have seen so far.

    “One third of the holocaust” by Jewish Historian David Cole. And excellent piece of research.
    https://archive.org/details/OneThirdOfTheHolocaustHDVideoHQSound

    Click the icon twice then wait a few seconds.

    BUT BEWARE! This version seems to be fairly original (dated 2006). There is a new pro-zionist propaganda remake of this video circulating on the web now, nothing like the original.

    BTW: David Cole was later forced to recant, but then so was Galileo.

  163. Holo-deniers are bonkers. There is not much to discuss here. They’re like flat-earthers, just more amusing.

    However, there are some things I see rarely mentioned…

    They, holo-deniers, are mostly from North America & Western Europe. They see all this warfare at the Eastern front as something exotic, strange, alien & incomprehensible. It seems they are incapable of comprehending reality of that part of war (which was the most savage war after Mongol invasions). Instead, they juggle with some half-truths & fictions, long since debunked as Soviet & American propaganda, for their own purposes. Yet- no serious man (or historian) thinks that extermination of European Jewry was a myth, a story invented for sinister Jewish purposes. For instance, I don’t see a serious effort to debate numbers of Ukrainians, Russians, Poles, …. who perished in that war (nor Germans or Japanese, for that matter). Simple demography refutes holo-deniers.
    You won’t find normal people in Central & Eastern who deny that Jews, their neighbors, had been exterminated, one way or another. Figures of victims vary, but not that much – perhaps 20%, not more. Then, it is extremely difficult to ascertain how many people, by nationality, perished in those vast swaths of earth from Poland to the Urals. Further east, when we come to Cambodia & China- it is next to impossible.

    For Jews, a few things are evident: the shoah & Auschwitz are their central anti-corrosives in the modern world. Old faith has, except in pockets, all but vanished & most ethnic Jews in Western world don’t believe in that set of tales. So, they’re assimilating & the Auschwitz – as the state of mind – presents an emotional rallying point; a huge asset indeed. Just- it seems even that doesn’t work in keeping them together: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-s-education-minister-says-intermarriage-is-like-a-second-holocaust-1.7486330

    Last year, Agriculture Minister Uri Ariel, member of the National Union – one of the member parties to the Union of Right-Wing Parties, sent a letter to employees at his ministry discussing the “assimilation Holocaust.” According to Ariel, “During the Holocaust, we’ve lost about six million Jews. Without at all comparing the two, we’re losing a part of our people to assimilation.”
    Fellow National Union member Eli Ben Dahan said in 2014, while he was deputy minister for religious affairs, that intermarriage are “a silent Holocaust. We must remember that the Jewish people, unfortunately, has gone through a Holocaust. It has been diminishing over the past century … In Europe we have as much as 80 percent intermarriages; in the United States it’s 66 percent. It’s horrible.”

    Hard cheese, old chap! I understand the will to continuity of any group, but visibly a non-recognizable minority is destined to vanish in assimilation- except those who emigrate to their nation-state.

    Arthur Koestler was, after all, right- Jews in the Western (I mean, “white”) world, who want to remain Jews, should emigrate to Israel. Others will be inevitably swallowed in their host countries. Jewish nationalists may get apoplectic fits, they may rise hundreds of millions $, consecrate I don’t know how many monuments – yet, all those efforts are limited.

    Are they completely ineffective?

    Not, in my opinion. Jewy-Jewying drama queens with all their baggage of emotional blackmail, self-centredness & identity-paranoia does have some effect among natives, Euro-people. They get riled up against excessive Jewy whining (similar to ex-wives’ behavior during divorce process) & this may cause some local Jews either to circle the wagons or to move to Israel.

    But, generally- it doesn’t work. You can’t base your identity on atrocities you’ve been victims of. It is not sustainable.

  164. @SolontoCroesus

    Excellent comment. Note how the Zionists wanted Jews out of Germany but blamed the Nazis for wanting it! They pervert, 180, everything they touch!

    And it seems to work rather consistently for them, repeatedly, over long periods of time. Go figure. 🙁

  165. @Truth3

    “Righteousness is what the Evil Ones Hate.”

    Agreed. People who speak and do evil always want others to share in it to boast of their self-righteousness and appease their sense of guilt.

  166. anarchyst says:

    If I were required to “teach” the jewish “holocaust” fable, I would do so from an engineering standpoint.

    Teaching this minor (non) event from an engineering perspective would provide proof that the claims made by so-called jewish “holocaust” survivors are based on outright falsehoods and assumptions, quite often second and third-person claims, that at least should be taken with a grain of salt.

    1. The claim that cremation took only a few minutes is totally false.

    2. The claim that thousands of bodies were gassed or cremated every day is totally false.

    3. The claim that crematorium facilities required little or no maintenance is false.

    4. The claim that “jewish bodies smoke smells different than gentile smoke is false.

    5. The claim that Zyklon B was used as a gas chamber agent is false.

    6. The claim that gassed bodies were of a blue or purple color is false.

    7. The claim that gas chambers without gas-tight doors and ventilation means is false.

    8. The claim that “6 million” were exterminated is false.

    9. The claim that Germany used scarce resources to transport people it intended to exterminate is false.

    There are many more examples of outlandish falsehoods that can be easily debunked from a scientific and engineering standpoint.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  167. FLgeezer says:
    @Oemikitlob

    Excellent OEMIKITLOB, and keep up the good work!

    • Replies: @Oemikitlob
  168. @Rational

    Let’s make a deal: We will teach the Holocaust as long as we teach the 60 million Christians killed by the Jewish Bolsheviks who murdered them in Russia. Furthermore, all books by Alexandr Solzhenitsyn must be part of the curriculum.

    I would love to see this introduced and watch the heads of the Magic Jews explode.

    • Agree: mark green, Buck Ransom
  169. FLgeezer says:
    @Art

    amconmag has become yet another mouthpiece for the zionists. They fired Phil Giraldi after all.

    To question zionist orthodoxy would mean the discontinuance of the magazine.

    • Replies: @Art
  170. Look, to act like the Holocaust is a matter of debate, I mean, is just absurd.

    So why is it prohibited to discuss the absurd claims publicly, and people go to jail questioning it all over Europe? Even a mentally disabled child would figure out the why.

    • Agree: Jacques Sheete
    • Replies: @Oemikitlob
  171. anarchyst says:

    There is NOT ONE DOCUMENT outlining any extermination plan for jews or others. In fact, prominent Zionists collaborated with the German government and formulated plans at the highest level of the German government for the transfer of jews to what was then known as Palestine. Absolutely nothing about extermination.

    Official International Red Cross figures for all camp deaths total around 731,000-NOT 6 million. In fact, population totals pre-WW2 and post-WW2 show an INCREASE in the jewish population in post-WW2 Europe immediately after the cessation of the war.

    If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD IT KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would it build camps hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, medical, recreational and other ancillary facilities? Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this trouble? Why would they expend massive effort on logistical movement utilizing their limited energy resources if the goal was extermination? Things do not add up.

    Something BIG stinks in this whole jewish holocaust deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made deals with the German government in order to make life uncomfortable for jewish Germans. In fact, it was jewish Zionist leaders who first proposed that all jews wear the yellow Star of David armband so that they could be easily identified. German jews considered themselves Germans first and had no desire to emigrate.

    The establishment of a homeland along with the 6,000,000 figure was a Zionist dream since the 1800s. Many periodicals of the day starting with the 1800s touted the “six-million” figure.

    What better way to encourage emigration to a foreign land than to make things difficult for the cream of German society (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish holocaust is out . . .

    As cremation of ONE human body takes hours, the amount of time claimed by holocaust promoters is a physical, scientific and statistical impossibility. Their claims also do not account for the “downtime” that crematoria require for maintenance, etc. In addition, there are no mass burial sites that are commensurate with the claims of “six-million” or even “one-million”. There is also a jewish prohibition on excavation of claimed possible burial sites. WHY?? Because THEY DO NOT EXIST. There is even a prohibition on the use of ground penetrating radar to search for burial sites. WHY?? If millions were gassed and cremated, the activities would have lasted well into the 1950s.

    The so-called jewish holocaust has been turned into a de-facto religion in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish holocaust truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment. In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the tribe that FEAR the real truth of the jewish holocaust being exposed is evident. A questionable judicial “trick” used in holocaust trials is that of “judicial notice” in which TRUTH CANNOT BE USED AS A DEFENSE OR ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE IN THE KANGAROO COURTS THAT PROSECUTE THOSE WHO DARE TO INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORICAL EVENT. Judicial notice, once invoked against a defendant, disallows the introduction of evidence that does not conform to “commonly accepted beliefs” about the “holocaust ™”, EVEN IF THE EVIDENCE EXPOSES THE HOLOCAUST LIES AND FABRICATIONS THAT CAN EASILY BE DEBUNKED. A question for you holocaust promoters-why are there laws that criminalize the search for truth?? What are you afraid of??

    When the truth about this historical event comes out, it will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a cash cow that keeps on giving. . . there’s NO business like SHOAH business. Zionist complicity in this event is carefully covered up.

    A good example of present-day censorship is the fate that awaits those that dare question official jewish holocaust orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the official jewish holocaust story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to all things holocaust. Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment.

    The latest victims of holocaustianity are Ursula Haverbeck, Monika Schaefer and Sylvia Stolz, who are elderly grandmothers who have been prosecuted and sentenced to maximum-security prison in Germany for incorrect thoughts.

    If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the chosen) to engineer the jewish holocaust, there would be a pogrom of massive size. You see, the jewish holocaust was necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state. In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many holocausts of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish holocaust is the only one that counts . . . It is interesting to note that the term holocaust to mean mass extermination was never used during or immediately after WW2, only coming to vogue in the 1960s, when it was noted that false guilt could be assigned and reparations could be procured.

    Look at the commercialization of the so-called jewish holocaust while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten. To assure a continuing supply of jewish holocaust survivors, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean camp numbers) on their children and grandchildren. In addition, jewish psychologists have come up with a new concept, and disease-holocaust transference syndrome. You see, children and grandchildren of jewish holocaust survivors are infected with this disease and should also be considered holocaust survivors, eligible for holocaust reparations. According to these jewish psychiatrists, even unrelated individuals can be “infected” with this “malady”.

    Since the Zionist jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least).. This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a homeland Israel. It is interesting to note that the German boycott of jewish businesses lasted for one day, whil the jewish boycott (actually the jews declaration of war on Germany) started in 1933 and lasted until the summation of WW2.

    Let’s not forget that as “world jewry” declared WAR on Germany in 1933, a book “Germany Must Perish” was authored by Theodore N. Kaufman, a jew, who advocated the complete destruction and extermination of Germany, it’s people and culture, and erasure from the world timeline and history.

    Zionists have been predicting a jewish homeland for the last two-hundred years while predicting a holocaust of 6 million for the same amount of time. The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures). The International Red Cross had full access to all of the camps for the duration of the war, yet reported NOT ONE INSTANCE of extermination or mass murder.

    Regarding that holocaust showplace Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called gas chambers. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called gassing took place. There is a gas chamber chimney that is not connected to anything. From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the operators of these supposed gas chambers. As Germans were excellent engineers, it is difficult to observe the glaring engineering errors that presently exist in these camps.

    American execution expert, Fred Leuchter travelled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported gas chambers, had them tested and published his results. The absence of Prussian blue (ferricyanide) in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the gas chambers did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing. In fact, the chimney for the supposed gas chamber does not connect to anything.

    Mr. Leuchter was rewarded for his search for TRUTH with his professional and personal character assassination by those of the tribe. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts law for practicing engineering without a license-a law which had never been used vindictively before or since. . .After his report was published, he was harassed by Israeli “deep state” types (mossad) who he successfully “outed”.

    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets attempted to create the death camps for propaganda purposes. Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering–many people perished. The prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing.

    It is interesting to note that, before the camps were liberated by the allies, the camp occupants chose to flee with the German troops, rather than be liberated by the Russian allies.

    It is said that the light of day is the best disinfectant in the search for truth Unfortunately this quote does not apply to all things holocaust. It appears that there are those”holocaust promoters who are afraid of the TRUTH. Hence the prosecution and incarceration of those who dare question aspects of this historical event.

    I urge all holocaust believers to check these things out for yourselves IF YOU DARE. You will not like what you find.

    • Agree: Robjil
  172. @SolontoCroesus

    I’m not aware of narratives of German brutality comparable to the Japanese tortures Banning experienced and witnessed.

    I have mentioned this before and it merits being mentioned again: But I am always amused by people who on one hand question Allied propaganda concerning Germany, but on the other hand cheerfully swallow Allied propaganda concerning Japan.

    • Agree: Malla
  173. Mr. Giraldi alluded to an article in “The Guardian” in which some Judaists are claiming the progeny of Holocaust survivors may suffer from “genetically inherited trauma (GIT)” I submit that any “epigenetic inheritance” that Jewish boys have stems not from the Holocaust, but from the fact that they were taken as 8 day-old babies to be held down against their will to have the best part of their tiny penis sliced off by a scary bearded Mohel at a Brit Milah. All because Abraham said.

    Are circumcised American baby boys now suffering from the same GIT? The fact that the US goyim have been convinced by the Judaists into believing that it is a good thing to mutilate their baby’s penis, despite his unrelenting screams for help, says quite a bit about the trauma-based mind control that the J Oligarchs have tricked us into.

    I suggest it is possible that our GIT and subservience to our J Masters flows from that. Circumcision, after all, is the Mark of the Slave.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  174. @anarchyst

    Too complex for the masses.
    Ask them why Germany did have an industrial scale defumigation plant in Budapest that can host an entire train? Germany also operated gas tunnels to disinfect trains, which is the reason Zyklon B was produced.
    the problem for the hoaxers, they have never claimed that these industrial scale gas chambers had been used to exterminate jews. They have never claimed that.

    Imagine, trains go in the tunnel, packed with Jews, gas on, train gets disinfected, and trains exit the tunnel without Jews. The dead Jews would stay inside the tunnel, nothing suspicious for the outside. Genius plan, but never claimed by the hoaxers.
    These industrial scale huge gas chambers had ventilation, heaters to gasify the Zyklon B pellets, gas masks for personnel, air tight doors, special coating of the walls etc…

    https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v08/v08p433_Berg.html

    You could also ask, why this sign has been installed at Dachau. It used to also have a little metal plate in the floor, that read “Made in USA”. “Reconstruction”, similar to the Soviet “reconstruction” at Auschwitz with the dysfunctional chimney, the broken down walls and holes in the roof.

    Additionally, why did the Germans allegedly use ineffective Zyklon B to kill, if they had a considerable storage of Tabun, Soman and Sarin, deadly nerve agents? And why a gas at all, difficult to handle, instead of a cost effective bullet like the Bolsheviks did?

  175. @Jacques Sheete

    Yes, we pay (!) people to poison and indoctrinate the minds of our youth. Laugh or cry, take your pick, Jacques.

    “It’s for the children” is not a new sales-pitch. Prog’s employed it very successfully (though not necessarily with that specific phrase. The underlying [subliminal] message was there and understood, however) in the late-19th/early-20th century and here we are. I highly recommend the late John Taylor Gatto’s works on the subject of “education”.

    It’s interesting how many parents one hears voicing concern about the “failure” of their child(rens) school and how “something has to be done about it”, etc. The naivete of these parents is incredible and it never seems to occur to them that it’s all a matter of perspective. What those parents see as “failure” is actually success to those who conceive the curriculum. Those “schools” are doing exactly what they are designed to do! Hence the reason nothing ever changes.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  176. Rich says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I hate to tell you this, but if you begin to spend any serious time on this issue, you are forced to concede that the “official ” holocaust story is untrue. There is no evidence of gas chambers, no evidence of a “final solution ” order being given and no evidence of mass graves.

    The most probable explanation of large numbers of dead Jews reported by relatives, is that they were part of the huge numbers of civilians who died on both sides of the conflict from bombing, disease or other causes. There would be no reason to forbid research on this event if it were true. Researchers would just come up with more evidence that the event took place.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Fran Taubman
  177. to senator rick scott and governor ron de santis i have but one (1) word: holodomor.

  178. @Germanicus

    Agree button used. Prohibiting questions about any subject and imprisoning them for questioning is a huge red flag.

  179. S says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Thanks for the intriguing link.

    I’ve tended to see the US Civil War as a major missed opportunity. When violence became inevitable in early 1861, instead of turning the guns on each other, the guns should have been turned on chattel slave owners (as well as dealers) in the South, and their same ilk in the North with their wage slaves, ie people hiring so called ‘cheap labor’ (aka ‘immigrants’), or promoting the same.

    In both the North and South chattel and wage slavery were ultimately driven by the same desire, to do anything but anything than pay typically their own people the prevailing real time local costs of labor.

    I’m convinced most of them, ‘North’ and ‘South’, given a choice between choosing their own people, or their slaves, chattel or wage, would have readily surrendered, and felt..relieved.

    That’s the war (probably a short one) against slavery that should of been fought. And an honorable non-slave holder such as Robert E Lee would have been just the man to have lead the people of the United States in such a war, with gusto, I have little doubt.

    As things transpired I think Eastwood’ s character in The Outlaw Josey Wales probably said it best:

    ‘I guess we all died a little in that damned war.’

    • Replies: @flashlight joe
  180. An alarmed World Jewish Congress (WJC) is urging required holocaust education for everyone everywhere “citing statistics from a 2018 poll revealing half of millennials can’t name a single Nazi concentration camp.”

    I’m not a millennial and I can name a Nazi concentration camp (several, actually). Can I be excused from the Jewish ideology-injection classes?

    But since I seriously doubt the (((holocaust narrative))), I expect I’ll be required to wear a sleeve patch on all my shirts and coats with a large D for “Denier.”

  181. @FLgeezer

    Thanks, geezer, just doing my small part.

  182. @Rich

    Allow me to add little detail here.
    There is a general problem with the US and Soviet narrative, they clash, which is quite fun if you are aware of it.
    The US basically adopted Soviet narrative, that being “gas showers”, eg Dachau.

    never used as a gas chamber

    Dang, the truth in plain sight.

    However, nowadays, in regard to Auschwitz, the US and associated sides claim, these holes in the roof in Auschwitz the Soviets broke in, served to drop the Zyklon pellets in the room, and they gasified on impact, an absurdity.

    The entire demographics is messed up, considering the Soviets ethnically cleansed 14 million Germans of which about 3 million died, many many Poles, Ukrainians and Hungarians etc…
    Behind the iron curtain, they told us, the heroic red Soviet army soldiers were all victims of the “holocaust”. In fact, the entire Soviet narrative was focused on dead Soviets, not so much Jews, however, as many know, the Soviet Union was a jewish operation.

  183. @Wally

    No, Wally, and I believe you know that. As I said, it is not logical in the form presented and it seems to me that the issue of tattoo’s is a weak/secondary argument on the subject anyway without supporting propositions. It’s easily shot down, so why focus on it?

    • Replies: @Oemikitlob
  184. Skeptikal says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    I agree with this view, which I believe Ron Unz has also expressed.
    The genocide of Jews did occur.
    But the devil is in the details.
    How many? How many were gassed? How many died of typhus? How many were worked to death?
    The network of different types of camps and slave labor sites, including many agricultural locations, was so great and so protean that the whole picture cannot really be encompassed by the one word “holocaust,” which is “only” about the death camps. But even these camps were not monolithic and ha multiple functions.
    Here at UR it is annoying how manyh commenter spew forth their opinions without knowing much about what actually occurred in Germany and countries farther east, including in, say, Silesia. My ivew is that if you do not speak German you are not qualified to render an informed opinion, because there is too much info that you do not have access to. Also, many translations are misleading.

    Also, obviously, jews were not the only victims of Nazi racial policies.

  185. anarchyst says:
    @follyofwar

    There’s more…the dirty jewish “mohel” fellates the infant after the “deed is done”. This almost always guarantees that, in later life, the circumcisee will have mental problems due to latent STDs introduced by the dirty jewish “mohel”…
    Circumcision is “male genital mutilation” and should be outlawed on a worldwide basis…

  186. Art says:
    @FLgeezer

    amconmag has become yet another mouthpiece for the zionists. They fired Phil Giraldi after all.

    To question zionist orthodoxy would mean the discontinuance of the magazine.

    It is true — eventually Jews destroy everything they touch.

    Jews suck the life and integrity out of everything. They turn the individual spirit of things into being about them and their agenda. Jews turn organizations with independent goals into being about them. They reshape ideas about things into being about them. Everything is remade into their image.

    • Agree: Z-man, Oemikitlob
  187. @Skeptikal

    The network of different types of camps and slave labor sites, including many agricultural locations, was so great and so protean that the whole picture cannot really be encompassed by the one word “holocaust,” which is “only” about the death camps.

    You mean, like a greater network of death camps as the Soviet Gulag system?

    The genocide of Jews did occur.

    Erm no, no evidence whatsoever, according to Jan Robert van Pelt, your “expert”.

    Ninety-nine per cent of what we know we do not actually have the physical evidence to prove . . . it has become part of our inherited knowledge.

    https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2009/12/27/a_case_for_letting_nature_take_back_auschwitz.html

    Van Pelt would like to leave it to nature, ie destroy it, before any serious scientific open investigation takes place.

    According to Pressac, another “expert” of yours, only 5% of the Zyklon B was allegedly used to kill Jews. Preposterous claim, but he can’t say 0%, because it would make him a “denier” and open to criminal charges.

    Lets go further and look at what another “expert” of yours had to concede at the Zündel trial, jewish Raul Hilberg. It revealed, he was “at a miss” to provide any conclusive order or document that proves any extermination plan. He had to revise his book to a second edition, he had to take out his claims of documentation, because it was untrue. In fact, he became a revisionist himself, funny.

    Your “experts”, not mine.

  188. Z-man says:

    Holocaustianity. Beware the power of The Cabal.
    Another great article from Phil.

  189. Truth3 says:
    @Skeptikal

    Dying of Typhus is Genocide?

    Then accuse Bomber Command and the USAAC of additional Genocide charges, for the Camp internees that died of Typhus largely due to Allied Bombing.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  190. @Bardon Kaldian

    Holo-deniers are bonkers. There is not much to discuss here. They’re like flat-earthers, just more amusing..

    I think it depends on just what you mean by “Holocaust Denial” in this context. It’s pretty well established that something bad happened to large numbers of Jews, and that the Germans had something to do with it. For example, anyone who wants to deny large-scale executions of Jews by firing squad as part of the Wehrmacht’s counterinsurgency campaign in the occupied areas of the Soviet Union has his work cut out for him, given how well documented this is. But it’s also blindingly obvious that ever since the war, various special interests have expended tremendous amounts of effort (and money) to distort and exaggerate the authentic core of historical truth into a mythic narrative, the details of which are by no means always unassailable. Originally, this was done by the Allies (and the USSR in particular) to demonize the Germans, and in more recent days by Jewish activists and organizations to score points in the victim olympics.

    To see that this is true, all you need to do is to compare an older mainstream history book (say, from the 1950s) with a recent one. They tell very different stories about what we now call the Holocaust, even if both agree that a lot of people died.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  191. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:

    Christian and Islamic scripture, including the New Testament of the Bible, should start carrying warnings for passages deemed “anti-semitic,” a coalition of Jewish groups has asked.

    The European Jewish Congress, which represents several Jewish groups, asked for such changes in its Catalogue of Policies to Combat Antisemitism, released last week.

    “Holy Writ such as the New Testament or the Qur’an, as well as the writings of authoritative religious authors, doctrinal texts and religious laws need to be scrutinized for antisemitic contents,” the document states.

    “In Christianity, such texts would include the writings of saints like Ambrose of Milan or reformers like Martin Luther, the dogmatic tradition, church law and teaching. In Islam, such texts would include different parts of Hadith and Sira. Only when the antisemitic contents in the religious memories of Christianity and Islam are properly identified, will it be possible to combat antisemitism inside the various denominations, groups, and organizations of these two religions.”

    Later on in the recommendations section, the groups ask: “Translations of the New Testament, the Qur’an and other Christian or Muslim literatures need marginal glosses, and introductions

    • Replies: @Hossein
  192. @Truth3

    I would encourage to research the Polish Typhus epidemic of 1916-1919.
    It gives more context, because typhus had occurred in eastern Europe way before WWII, the Soviet “revolution” was the starting point of this epidemic.

    In this context, the Patton diary also sheds some light on the hygiene of the eastern European jews from the Shtetls. And yeah, its embarrassing for the Jews, but they have not changed much in that regard. Ie jewish females are forbidden to clean themselves during menstruation period in some of the jewish circles.

    A little research on Ellis Island and its function as decontamination island before entering NY is also highly informative. They used Zyklon B as well to disinfect clothes and people. There is even film footage of Ellis Island on the internet, showing immigrants getting fumigated with Zyklon.

    Furthermore, the US also operated gas tunnels to disinfect trains.

    The sad truth is, Zyklon B was used to save lives.
    If Germany wanted to kill all the inmates of the camps, they would have just locked the camps up and had them die of Typhus.
    Btw, Auschwitz had only ~40% jewish inmates, the Auschwitz death records revealed it after the collapse of the Soviet Union. It also revealed births in the camps.

    Zyklon was used to fight the Typhus epidemic, which could otherwise spread uncontrolled.

    Typhus carrying lice do not care what belief a human has before biting and infecting the human. These lice travel far with animals and humans.
    Typhus is a danger to ground water and everything, ie you cannot bury typhus infected corpses near settlements, it would contaminate the water supply, hence cremation.

  193. Anon[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    The data is bullet proof. Think of all those people with families who went missing.

    States “data is bulletproof”. Proceeds to both not cite “data” nor anything on which “data” is kept, as well as a claim that is certainly not “bulletproof” to prove that the Holocaust happened.

    Your laughable concept of data and proof well sums the Jewish position. Which is why there is so much (ever increasing) insurrection in regard to supposed holocaust history.

    People claim that Jews are smart. Yet, their holocaust arguments are consistently fragile in the face of anyone trained to evaluate levels of evidence or even with an untrained intuition in regard to them.

    The holocaust narrative is failing due to such weak arguments and, of course, due to:

    the strong arming and propaganda that is required to keep people “believing”,
    the lack of allowed debate or free research that itself casts the narrative in doubt,
    the proven and admitted lies in regard to the narrative,
    the pre WWII back history (in print) of Jews claiming that “six million died”,
    the continued political and financial gain in continued narrative-reinforcement,
    and the entire power structure as a whole needed to prop up your claimed “bulletproof” history that is never required to prop up obvious truth.

    The evidence is staggering

    An extraneous statement that does not serve as proof, but serves to illustrate your inability to speak in credible scientific language that would be required to prove your point. Where is your “staggering evidence”. Provide it for debate or STFU.

    and cross checked with computer models.

    What computer models? Where? Provide it or STFU.

    Is dissenting evidence or arguments against the validity of these models allowed or is it suppressed, or even punished?

    If its the latter, which it is, then your models are scientifically invalid because they are not open to peer revue in an uncorrupted academic milieu.

    That’s how science and proof works, which is why the holocaust narrative is a running historical joke.

    Such “computer models” will never be truly open to peer revue, and thus actually stand to condemn the holocaust narrative as protected probable lies (the only evidence that needs to be protected from peer review is false evidence).

    It is up to the deniers to prove it did not happen.

    First, that’s untrue. No observation, in nature or history, has to be proven to not exist. Again, that’s not how science works. Observation of events/data, the root of science, is required to prove that an event/data exists. That positive act is required for proof, and for that positive action to be valid it needs to be subject to continuous and open peer review. Which the holocaust is not.

    Again, for observation to be considered to be valid science / history, open peer review is required of its occurence or historicity. The lack of open review is a lack of scientific / historical validity in itself, and open suppression of it is strong prima facie evidence of scientific / historical fraud.

    Holocaust so-called evidence does not exist that is not low level evidence and ripe for severe open critique, or that is not outright invalid. Your “families went in and did not come out” is an example of such low level claims that any first year graduate student would readily tear to shreds in an evidence critique while watching spongebob and doing one or two other things at the same time. Its that weak.

    The evidence against the holocaust is wide and deep, and that’s before we get to the 100% proven lies and admissions that Jews still often claim as evidence.

    You should watch the movie Shoa by Claude Landsman 1987, he secretly records the train drives and locals. The testimony is there from non Jews.

    There you go again, impugining your own observed ability to gauge what is real or evidence. Testimony is not evidence, especially in a propaganda film, especially in post WWII Europe wherein people were fighting not to be shot, fighting for food, and general survival. Not to mention from people whose actual background is unknowable, to include their actual history in the camps.

    Again, this is the large and obvious pro-holocaust coercion force working against your witness credibility. It continues to exert its credibility corrupting force every chance that it gets, until the present day. To include the threat of job loss that was brought down on the head of the hs personnel that is the subject of the article’s story.

    You have no valid evidence.
    You have no credible witnesses.
    Your side exerts its assertions through threats and punishment.
    Nothing in history with such a dismal profile has lasted.

    Bide your time, but trying to make your points here is like walking blindfolded into the heart of an ever growing hurricane and trying to stop it with your index finger. The only result is that you get that finger snapped off and learn what your future under that inevitable historical hurricane really is.

  194. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @Rich

    Here is the thing, and you write like people are insane. Most of the Jews I know who’s family grandparents etc, where humiliated and did not want to acknowledge or deal with what happened.
    And here is the real definitive proof of the matter. The Jews were rounded up as families (extended families) and transported to the camps. There is documented evidence of this. When they got off the train. The children were separated from their parents. Most children never saw their parents after arrival. On the platform the people were chosen to either work or to go to the gas chambers where they were told they were going to take showers and work. They never came out of the building.
    So during the liberation there was maybe one or two family members if that remaining. The other people died in those buildings that they entered.
    There were lines and separations and lost people. There were ovens and piles of shoes and hair and obviously dead people.
    That is the way it worked. If you went someplace as a group with your family and 3 or 4 went to the bathroom and never came out, never to be found. Do you understand there is just people and families. In the end that is all there is. These people have photos of their families. They went somewhere and they saw their family members go into a building and never come out. They did not wish this to be the case. They have no reason to make it up. They were devastated.
    The building their family members went into had a smoke stack that ran night and day. It also had ovens with slabs for human bodies.
    That is all you need to know, nothing else. Imagine if that was you arriving on that train say age 12 and being ripped from your parents and siblings. You see them go and that is the end.
    That is the end. !!! There are really good photos of the transport trains and the people on the platform. Universally everyone explained that the SS separated people for work and or death.
    People went into a building with a smoke stack and never came out. All of those people in different camps and the liberators are not lying. They would give anything to have their families back. Most never really recovered.
    It is a human story you can see videos of people talking about it. Are you a human with a family. I hope they never disappear on you.

    It is not a scientific story that needs science to prove, it is a human story about dead people and survivors.

  195. Anon[178] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s Jewish religious scripture (cultural value) to accuse their enemies of “crime after crime” as a political tactic (implying lies), a fact which also impugns Holocaust narrative credibility.

    Its equivalent to a criminal claiming credibility on a fraud insurance claim when the police have his writing that openly states his intent to defraud (lie) in regard to the insurance claim.

    Psalm 69

    22May the table set before them become a snare;

    may it become retribution and a trap.

    23May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,

    and their backs be bent forever.

    24Pour out your wrath on them;

    let your fierce anger overtake them.

    25May their place be deserted;

    let there be no one to dwell in their tents.

    26For they persecute those you wound

    and talk about the pain of those you hurt.

    27Charge them with crime upon crime;

    do not let them share in your salvation.

    28May they be blotted out of the book of life

    and not be listed with the righteous.

  196. @exiled off mainstreet

    Adolf Eichmann when on trial for his life in Israel said that the Germans murdered 5 plus million Jews.

  197. @Bardon Kaldian

    Here is the problem:

    Those that do not intentionally peddle lies (they may be wrong, but that is a different issue) discuss things along this line, only dealing with the story:

    What?
    Where, when?
    Who?
    Why?
    How?

    The intentional deceiver attack along the line:

    Who? (within the story)
    Who? (with respect to their debating opposite)
    Why? (with respect to their debating opposite)
    .
    (usually it doesn’t get beyond this because the truth seekers debate ‘what’, don’t engage the ad hominem speculation, and one hissy fit return serve later, they are out, but..)
    .
    Why/how/when/where/what?

    Your whole point is on ‘who’, there is no counterpoint to Eisenhower’s, Churchill’s, De-Gaulle’s silence on the issue – even though they should have had the info. No discounting the coke shipment statistics for the crematoria, no discussion of ground water levels and the impossibility of burials (or even discarding of bones), no explanation why Germans neither recorded their acts in documentary fashion, or didn’t just throw the helpless 6 million off a cliff (the Mongols, Chinese, Turks would have certainly found a cheaper way to kill 6 million), etc, etc.

    We, the revisionists, discuss ‘what’ first, and ‘who’ somewhere down the line.

    Anyone that pokes the speaker first, fears the words of the speaker. Simple. An intelligent person does not fear false information – it is false.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  198. Wally says:
    @Skeptikal

    said:
    “The genocide of Jews did occur.”

    Really? We notice the lack of specifics and of course, proof.
    – So then, simple, show us the claimed immense human remains said to be in known locations.
    – Tell us how the laughable ‘gas chambers’ supposedly worked.

    said:
    “My ivew is that if you do not speak German you are not qualified to render an informed opinion, because there is too much info that you do not have access to. Also, many translations are misleading.
    Also, obviously, jews were not the only victims of Nazi racial policies.”

    – Yawn.
    Revisionist researchers have seen everything, regardless of language, many are fluent German speakers.
    – But hey, please tell us what “information” you claim to be talking about.
    – And, who else have Zionists included in their attempt to buy votes? Gypsies, homosexuals? LOL. Revisionists been there done that too.
    We await.


    Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the laughable ‘holocaust’ storyline is the message.

  199. @Oemikitlob

    I agree with all, and would second the endorsement of Gatto’s works.

  200. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Everyone knows no such thing, any more than everyone knows that the official account of the Holocaust is the truth. Since actual historical and scientific research of the episode is verboten, all we have is claims on all sides.

    This is true. From the facts that I have seen, the evidence just isn’t there to establish the Mandatory Version of History: i.e., That Hitler ordered the extermination of the Jews, which was carried out by deliberately murdering 6 million Jews in death camps with gas chambers.

    That said, the likely truth is still bad enough: That is, the Nazi “Final Solution” was to intern the Jews, expropriate their property, and eventually banish them to some pale of settlement in the East (if not Madagascar, Palestine, or somewhere else). Thus, they were rounded up and sent to work camps where they suffered mass casualties due to overwork, disease, and malnutrition. (With a casualty rate similar to other interned groups, like Russian POWs). This probably resulted in about 1.5 million Jews killed.

    I’d love to see the actual facts explicated and proved one way or the other. If the official Mandatory Version of History has the facts to back it up, I’ll accept it. But I haven’t seen those facts — just a lot of people saying it’s impermissible to even question the official narrative.

  201. @Fran Taubman

    Pssst, Linda, I regret to inform you that you are at Unz Review. That means that the only ones here who’ll buy your story are the usual trolls. Additionally, this is the 21st century and no one with a brain believes that old propaganda any longer.

    Sorry!

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  202. @Fran Taubman

    It is not a scientific story that needs science to prove, it is a human story about dead people and survivors.

    Let me get your jewish warped view here. You people claim a crime happened, but you will persecute and prosecute any investigator who deviates from your unproven claims? An investigator will scientifically look at the murder plan, which you fail to provide. Next he will look at the alleged murder weapon, which you claim is Zyklon B, but you fail to claim the alleged murder took place in one of these huge industrial gas chambers and gas tunnels. And finally, an investigator looks at tertiary evidence, witnesses, who basically claim physically and scientifically impossible things, partially extracted by torture, threats and intimidation.

    If you claimed Germans murdered billions of tiny typhus carrying lice, it would be ridiculous, but essentially the truth about the lice-o-cide to save human lives.

    If you people had not been the fifth column of Moscow and terrorist Bolshevism, who did acts of sabotage, political murders and terrorism, you would not had been incarcerated at all, but eventually shipped to Palestine under the Haavara agreement. This agreement stopped, because you dragged the US into the war and basically broke the agreement.

    Are these “computer models” the same quality as your ridiculous “climate models” the black cube “D-wave” spits out? Any programmer knows, garbage in, garbage out.

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  203. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    An intelligent person who knows survivors, knows the truth. They do not have to prove it. It is the truth. It is up to the revisionist to prove it did not happen. If you were the sole survivor of your family, wouldn’t you know the truth? That your family perished in a camp where you survived. Arrival to a place and disappearance. Otto Frank is the sole survivor of his family. His two daughters died of typhus in a camp. His wife died of starvation in the camp.
    He had a wife and two daughters that died. He survived. There are countless stories like this.
    They people who survived know the truth. They do not need to proove the opposite.
    The proof is the survivors.
    The rest is nonsense. You know if your family is gone. It is not a grey area. All those people arriving in Palestine were the sole survivors of their families.
    The rest is garbage. Like trying to thread a needle with the Zykon b did or did it not kill/

  204. Jake says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Christianity is in many ways counterintuitive: it often seems just wrong.

    But then again, almost of us driving and hitting an ice patch instinctively want to turn the wheel the wrong way, which makes the spin much worse. The ‘right’ way is counterintuitive.

    When the Goths sacked the city of Rome in 410 AD, the Catholic Church was probably only the 3rd largest self-professed Christian body in the city, which had at least as many nominal pagans as it had professed Christians. The Arian heretics and the Valentinian Gnostic heretics both were larger in number than the Catholics. Rome also had other, smaller groups of Gnostic heretics, as well as a couple of groups of professed Jewish Christians who were 100% Judaizers (for example, all men had to be circumcised, and they followed Jewish dietary laws, which mark Gentiles as unclean). And a small group of Marcionite heretics also remained in Rome.

    The Goths, by the way, were about two thirds Germanic pagan and one third Arian heretic, probably mixed strongly with Hellenistic paganism and perhaps with Judaizing ideas that fit easily with Arianism.

    So Catholics were a small minority in Rome when the Goths sacked the city. And nowhere in the Western Empire were Catholics even half the population. And yet Catholics saved civilization after pagans, the vast majority of them Germanic, destroyed it.

    The Modern world, which was birthed in rebellion against Christ and Christendom, is returning the world to the Dark Ages. Civilization worth having will be rebuilt the way it was before: by the Catholic Church.

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  205. @John Regan

    Sorry,but I’ve already wasted too much time on this irrelevant issue. 1-2 reposts.

    I do get Jews’ obsession with shoah, but I hardly get “denialists’”” stance: this did happen, but is, due to Jewish media influence in Western societies, overblown out of proportion. No one with sane mind in Poland, Hungary, Greece, Ukraine or Russia will deny that many or most Jews were systematically murdered. This is not even the topic. What they would, reasonably, argue with that Jewish nationalists’ constant drumming on the theme & emotional blackmail in trying to extort as much money as possible and advance their tribalist interests at the expense of the natives’ is simply unacceptable.

    Both Irving and Goldhagen are to be despised. So far, the best holocaust book I’ve read- this is not the topic I am too interested in- is Kershaw’s collection of essays:

    ——————————

    One thing, among propaganda left & right, seems to be neglected: sheer number of prominent Jews (or people of Jewish extraction) who perished during WWII. If we can say, with certainty that:

    1. great mathematician Felix Hausdorff was a victim of “racial” persecution: http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/Biographies/Hausdorff.html

    Bonn University requested that the Hausdorffs be allowed to remain in their home and this was granted. By October 1941 they were forced to wear the “yellow star” and around the end of the year they were informed that they would be sent to Cologne. Bessel-Hagen wrote that he knew this was (see [24] and [6]):-

    … a preliminary to deportation to Poland. And what one hears concerning the accommodation and treatment of Jews there is completely unimaginable.

    They were not sent to Cologne but in January 1942 they were informed that they were to be interned in Endenich. Together with his wife and his wife’s sister, he committed suicide on 26 January. He wrote to a friend on Sunday 25 January (see [24] and [6]):-

    Dear Friend Wollstein
    By the time you receive these lines, we three will have solved the problem in another way – in the way which you have continually attempted to dissuade us. …
    What has been done against the Jews in recent months arouses well-founded anxiety that we will no longer be allowed to experience a bearable situation. …
    Forgive us, that we still cause you trouble beyond death; I am convinced that you will do what you are able to do (and which perhaps is not very much). Forgive us also our desertion! We wish you and all our friends will experience better times
    Yours faithfully
    Felix Hausdorff

    On the night of Sunday 25 January all three took barbiturates. Both Hausdorff and his wife Charlotte were dead by the morning of the 26 January. Edith, Charlotte’s sister, survived for a few days in a coma before dying.

    2. Chekhov’s fiance Dunya Efros was gassed in Nazi CC, after being handed over by Vichy government. She was in her 80s. See, for instance, Rayfiled’s celebrated bio: http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=490A9DAACAF1878F0798ACB15CA67D4D

    3. Kafka’s sisters all perished.

    https://www.butterfliesintheghetto.com/?tag=franz-kafkas-family

    Another fact that is seldom mentioned about Franz Kafka is that his closest sister ended up in Terezin. Franz’s three younger siblings, his sisters Ellie, Valli, and Ottilie all died in the Holocaust.

    4.Freud’s sisters

    http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ghettos/freud.html

    Freud’s Sisters and the Holocaust

    Freud’s sisters

    Three of Freud’s sisters Marie, Pauline Winternitz, and Rosa Graf-Freud were deported to Treblinka, on Transport Number BQ on the 23 September 1942 and murdered, in the gas chambers.

    An eyewitness has recorded that one of Freud’s sisters, possibly Rosa, approached SS- Untersturmfuhrer Kurt Franz on the ramp and asked “to be given lighter walk on account of her poor health.”

    Franz “assured her that her arrival in Treblinka was a mistake, in view of her poor health and that as soon as she had had her bath, she would be put on the first available train back to Vienna. “

    Freud lost another sister Adolfine who was born in 1862 in Vienna. Deported to Theresienstadt she died on the 5 February 1943 from internal haemorrhaging.

    So-if those “famous” (or relatives & acquaintances of the “famous”..) simply vanished into the night, and we know about them- what about vastly numerous “others” ?

    I am against all brainwashing & taboos, but hard-core holo-deniers, whichever their motives, seem to me a bunch of lunatics not worthy to be bothered about.
    ————————————————————————-

    Strange how many people are obsessing about Jewish victimhood during WWII. How can they, then, explain that way too many Jews in Europe disappeared? Vast swaths of their population in Poland, Ukraine, Romania, Belarus, Russia, Netherlands, Hungary,…- gone irreversibly.

    I don’t know the exact figure, but most historians agree that number would be somewhere from 5 to 6 million.

    http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm

    Holocaust

    Extermination of the Jews: [make link]:

    Reitlinger, Gerald, The Final Solution (1953): between 4,194,200 and 4,851,200 (this number is accepted by Kinder, The Anchor Atlas of World History (1978))
    Brzezinski: 5,000,000
    Chirot: 5,100,000
    3,000,000 in death camps.
    1,300,000 massacred.
    800,000 by dis./maln. in ghettos
    David E. Stannard, “The Politics of Genocide Scholarship,” in Alan S. Rosenbaum, ed., Is the Holocaust Unique? Perspectives on Comparative Genocide (1996), p. 178. By one estimate, 2.4 million of the 5.1 million victims of the Holocaust died of disease in ghettos and concentration camps.
    Rummel: 5,291,000
    Grenville: 5-6M
    Davies, Europe A History (1998): avg. c. 5,571,300 (puts the minimum at 4,871,000 and the maximum at 6,271,500.)
    MEDIAN: ca. 5.6M
    Nuremberg indictment: 5,700,000 (accepted by Britannica)
    Gutman, Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (1990): 5,596,029 to 5,860,129
    P. Johnson: 5,800,000
    Wallechinsky: “nearly” 6,000,000
    Urlanis: 6M

    As for “who killed most”, opinions are divided:

    http://necrometrics.com/tyrants.htm

    Question: Who was the Bloodiest Tyrant of the 20th Century?

    Answer: We don’t know.

    1. Mao- 40M
    Hitler- 34M
    Stalin- 20M

    2. Hitler- 34M
    Stalin-20M
    Mao-10M

    3. Stalin -20M
    Hitler-15
    Mao-10M

    4. Hitler-34M
    Stalin-20M
    Mao-10M
    ..
    So, the answer to the question of “Who is roasting on the hottest fires in Hell?” is “Well, that depends…”

    As for general WWII victimology, there are too many variables:
    https://www.nationalww2museum.org/students-teachers/student-resources/research-starters/research-starters-worldwide-deaths-world-war

    Research Starters: Worldwide Deaths in World War II
    ………………..

    China 20,000,000
    Germany 6,600,000-8,800,000
    Soviet Union 24,000,000
    ……….

    So, while ethnic Jewish activists can be criticized for focusing exclusively on their people’s suffering, while ignoring more numerous & drastic that had befallen other peoples, I don’t see how holo deniers can hold their ground.

    Their position is simply untenable & ludicrous.

  206. Hossein says:

    Why the US and Europe allow such assault on their freedom and rights is beyond imagination.

    This is outrageous and an assault on American educational system , freedom of speech and ultimateley personal liberty.

    I believe the victime of this horrendous witch hunt should use the first amendment and drag those that are trying to destroy his life and the constitution to the court of law and expose their tyranny,hypocicy and their anti democratic crusade .

  207. turtle says:
    @Oemikitlob

    Livestock are oftentimes branded and killed.

    Yes, but they are not branded at the slaughterhouse, just prior to execution, AFAIK.
    Livestock are branded (earmarked, ear tagged, electronically chipped, etc.) as a mark of ownership.
    IOW, they are valuable property, as are/were human slaves.
    The OP asserted that tattooing was evidence of mass murder.
    I assert that the presence of a tattoo is evidence for the use of the tattooed as slave labor, i.e. an organism of at least minimal value alive, not an animal about to be slaughtered.
    Whether mass murder occurred, and in what numbers, is another question entirely, IMO.
    The OP’s choice of “evidence” is incorrect.

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  208. Anonymous[391] • Disclaimer says:

    Holocaust has turned into a giant locust… or Holocust. It’s a plague that descends on the world to make people submit to Jewish Supremacism.

  209. Hossein says:
    @anon

    Most likely the “Christians” will bow and bend their knees for their Zionist masters but Muslims?

    Never.

    • Replies: @anon
  210. anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Dolan

    The nose is destroying all of Christendom to render the world “holocaust-proof” and user friendly for the jewish tribe.

    How does that make sense? The “holocaust” only holds meaning in the pagan-godless Christendom (code for western feckless c* nations). The rest of the world couldn’t give a rat’s ass for all that perfidious joobile…

    The jooscum needs the pagan-godless Christendom, as much as those humanimals need air to survive. They just want a castrated Christendom. They are well advanced in reaching this goal. 😀

  211. Zumbuddi says:

    All irrelevant because all the wrong questions.

    The proper questions go to causation– culpability for setting the ear in motion. That lies squarely and inarguably in the camp of the Allies, with Jews playing the role Yuri Slezkine ascribed to them in The Jewish Century: that of Mercurians, trickster middle-man, facilitators, brokers.

    In analyzing causality, or perpetrators of a crime, i.e., the usual question is, cui bono? Who benefits (ed)?

    Again, the Allies (except for UK & France, and Italy) , and especially Zionist Jews, were clear beneficiaries: As Michael Hudson explained in an interview w/ Bonnie Faulkner, Henry Morgenthau (FDR’s Handler) created the dollar-as-world-currency ,& World Bank, IMF & SWIF, at Bretton Woods in 1944.

    Jews brokered the war as a means of
    –> getting rid of surplus/useless/low IS jews;
    –> migrating skilled & wealthy Jews to Palestine to establish & finance the Zionist project;
    –> migrating the Air IS of what Herzl called “mediocre intellectuals” to USA , to begin the process of the complete Jewish takeover of that benighted country. Jews always migrate to where the money is.
    –> Cementing Jews in the Levant, a toehold to an attempt to dominate the entire region

    Allies and Jews perpetrated the cri.e: they started an unnecessary war, deliberately, and with the intention of destroying Germany.

    Citing unsubstantiable body-counts as “evidence” of the graver criminal makes no sense whatsoever, particularly when no proof exists of either a person is, indeed, dead, nor that This party did the killing.
    I

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  212. @Fran Taubman

    You speak of witness testimony as truth. There is memory, and it’s failures – I was confident that I at age 8 walked outside my parent’s Moscow flat with my G-ma, only socks on. It is vivid. I remember the rust on the door to tye entry to the block of flats, the snow piles on the side of the road, my socks flailing above the slosh of the pedestrian side walk. My grandma never walked me to school. She worked 24/7 to push her family forward (hence G-ma).

    Individual memory is subjective.

    Documentary evidence is not.

    The latter is what the law prefers to rely on.

    There is no documentary evidence of the Holocaust. Some torture induced confessions – great! How we love an inquisition!!

    War separates people. The Soviets didn’t reunite families. They shipped the remainders off left right and centre. Lost families are a part of war. I have no history of my (Russian/Ukrainian) family before 1940/1917.. this is a fact of war.

    Zyklon B is not threading a needle. Not like human memory. Chemistry is consistent – unlike the human mind. HCN is not pretty, and it is not the method of choice a linear mind like the German mind would use for extermination. Look at the Turks – surely less smart than the Krauts, but they didn’t even spend the bullets. In the hear of WWI, they marched the poor fuckers to death. The Chinese sawed criminals in half to save the cost of the bullet – see a pattern?!

    But the industrial and enterprising Germans – they chose the most convoluted, the most complex, the most technologically demanding, the most risky method for snuffing human capital (they would not have treated your or my ancestors as anything more, I grant you that), instead of just saving the guard duty and putting a bullet in every Jew, Roma, Slav, etc etc?

    They were surrounded by four Empires. How dumb do you think they were to wipe out functional labour?

    I agree – families disappeared. But this is just a fact of war. A war, organised Jewry started in 1933, and must have continued in 1939, as Hitler was not big on compound interest and private central banking.

    You mention typhus and starvation. Sure. But this is not gassing, nor the intention to wipe out a race/ethnicity. Please provide further evidence as to your belief in the German intention of genocide.

    • Agree: Robjil, Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  213. Robjil says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    All of Central and Eastern Europe was a wreck after WWII. There was mass movements of people of all ethnic groups. The largest mass movement after the war was the German one. It was the largest one in human history. Looking at who was in each nation before the war does not prove any genocide. The Jewish H was a mass movement too.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/expulsion-germans-forced-migration_b_1625437?guccounter=1

    14 million Germans were forced to leave their ancestral homes.

    Orwell greatly underestimated both the determination and the ambition of the Allied leaders’ plans. What neither he nor anybody else knew was that in addition to the displacement of the 7-8 million Germans of the East, Churchill, U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt and Soviet leader Joseph Stalin had already agreed to a similar “orderly and humane” deportation of the more than 3 million German-speakers — the “Sudeten Germans” — from their homelands in Czechoslovakia. They would soon add the half-million ethnic Germans of Hungary to the list.

    Although the governments of Yugoslavia and Romania were never given permission by the Big Three to deport their German minorities, both would take advantage of the situation to drive them out also.

    By mid-1945, not merely the largest forced migration but probably the largest single movement of population in human history was under way, an operation that continued for the next five years. Between 12 and 14 million civilians, the overwhelming majority of them women, children and the elderly, were driven out of their homes or, if they had already fled the advancing Red Army in the last days of the war, forcibly prevented from returning to them.

    German refugees were put in camps.

    From the beginning, this mass displacement was accomplished largely by state-sponsored violence and terror. In Poland and Czechoslovakia, hundreds of thousands of detainees were herded into camps — often, like Auschwitz I or Theresienstadt, former Nazi concentration camps kept in operation for years after the war and put to a new purpose.

    The regime for prisoners in many of these facilities was brutal, as Red Cross officials recorded, with beatings, rapes of female inmates, gruelling forced labour and starvation diets of 500-800 calories the order of the day. In violation of rarely-applied rules exempting the young from detention, children routinely were incarcerated, either alongside their parents or in designated children’s camps. As the British Embassy in Belgrade reported in 1946, conditions for Germans “seem well down to Dachau standards.”

    Death rates were very high for these German refugees in the camps.

    Though the death rates in the camps were often frighteningly high — 2,227 inmates of the Mysłowice facility in southern Poland alone perished in the last ten months of 1945 — most of the mortality associated with the expulsions occurred outside them.

    No trains or cars were used to get these refugees to rump Germany.

    Forced marches in which inhabitants of entire villages were cleared at fifteen minutes’ notice and driven at rifle-point to the nearest border, accounted for many losses. So did train transports that sometimes took weeks to reach their destination, with up to 80 expellees crammed into each cattle car without adequate (or, occasionally, any) food, water or heating.

    No help from Allies even in rump Germany.

    The deaths continued on arrival in Germany itself. Declared ineligible by the Allied authorities to receive any form of international relief and lacking accommodation in a country devastated by bombing, expellees in many cases spent their first months or years living rough in fields, goods wagons or railway platforms.

    No one knows how many died in these long forced marches.

    Malnutrition, hypothermia and disease took their toll, especially among the very old and very young. Although more research is needed to establish the total number of deaths, conservative estimates suggest that some 500,000 people lost their lives as a result of the operation.

    Ironically the Nuremberg trials was going on while this happened.

    Not only was the treatment of the expellees in defiance of the principles for which the Second World War had professedly been fought, it created numerous and persistent legal complications. At the Nuremberg trials, for example, the Allies were trying the surviving Nazi leaders on charges of carrying out “deportation and other inhumane acts” against civilian populations at the same moment as, less than a hundred miles away, they were engaging in large-scale forced removals of their own.

  214. Anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    I remember reading that after “Perestroika” the Russian wartime records were released, which showed that more Christians than Jews died at the wartime labour complex that was Austwich.

    (Sorry! I comment so rarely that I forget what name I’ve commented under in the past. There are so many excellent articals and so many very well informed readers on this site, that I’m honestly a little bit intimidated. I don’t have that problem with the Spectator, Telegraph etc. Thank You.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  215. Truth3 says:

    The Typhus as a cause of Jewish (and other) deaths in the camps is an embarrassment to Jews.

    Using Zyklon B to fumigate their clothing from the lice they brought INTO the camps also embarrasses them.

    Shaving their heads (men and women both, but especially women) to save them from their lice that they CAME with is another monster embarrassment to them.

    The Jews lack of hygiene (and if you know anything about true Germans, they are extremely careful about hygiene) forced these actions.

    Nothing the Germans did says homicide was the goal… no, it is the opposite. Germans risked their lives caring for the camp inmates (doctors, administration, officers, etc.).

    With such a mountain of embarrassment, the Jews HAD to lie about what happened… and so they did in such incredibly phantasmic fashion.

    Electrocution by barbed wire? No.

    Shrunken Heads and Human Skin Lampshades? No.

    Shower Heads that spewed poison gas? No.

    RJF / RIF Soap Bars meaning “Pure Jewish Fat”? No… regardless what Wikipedia says.

    Extensive and systematic Experiments on Camp inmates? No.

    Soviet Submarine or Tank Diesel Engine gassing 900,000 Jews at Treblinka? No.

    Burning 500,000, 700,000, 900,000 bodies at Treblinka on wooden pyres? No.

    Gassing 800 to 2000 victims from a not airtight morgue room, built in 1946, then hauling them out one at a time with hooks through one wooden door that is easily opened from inside, with no ventilation facility, and Jewish Sonderkommandos saying the bodies were blue and green (cyanide poisoning causes reddened skin) because they saw the walls of the delousing chambers bleed blue cyanide compounds… No F Way.

    Jewish domination of Soviet Union from 1917 to 1953? Yes. Absolutely. They are proud of it.

    NKVD and other Jewish Soviet organs massacring 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 million Christians? Yes.

    Embarrassed are they? Jews looking to lie about it all? Damn right.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  216. Anonymous[825] • Disclaimer says:

    Watch out UR readers and holocaust deniers! They’ll throw your a$$es in jail. The inquisition is in full attack mode. We’re talking about the unprecedented imposition of thought control here. And in no less a country than the “leader of the free world”. Mind blowing stuff really.

  217. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    LOL If your family went missing you would know it happened.
    what nut jobs you are.

  218. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @Jake

    Are you a Sedevacantists? Anti Vatican 2?

  219. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @Robjil

    Shit happens when you take on the world and lose and your leader holds up in a bunker while there are 13 year olds defending him, until he killed himself.
    Blame the German leaders for what happened to the Germans. They could have surrendered along the way.

  220. @Richard B

    Once again, we have the attempt to place Jewish Supremacy Inc. above criticism.

    “WW I and WW II stunned the Europeans an European descendants, who have had a sort of PTSD for a three generations now. _That’s_ the problem.”

    If you read a bit further, the message points out that simple law enforcement against what R. Unz descrebes as Jewish gangsters in the 1950s would have saved California. The post suggests that _failure to arrest_ was the problem. It’s still the problem now. This seems to me to be quite different from putting anything illegal above criticism.

    You remind me of the man in one of R. A. Lafferty’s novels (_5th mansions, maybe) who went to tell the Pope that there were evil men in the world. The Pope knows this, believe it or not, and the real question is what to do about it. The Republican establishment in California apparently decided to do nothing about it except perhaps accept any available money; so did the Democratic establishment. That was the fundamental problem.

    If the entire Jewish establishment were to be, as a reward for piousness, taken up to Heaven at this very moment, the remnants of Anglo Saxon America’s situation would not be improved _if_ they continue to take the money and wink at illegalities.

    Counterinsurency

    Counterinsurgency

  221. @Zumbuddi

    Hey Zumbuddi!

    Am obligated to get you to listen to my “Homeland’s” Commander in Chief on the Holocaust, 2017.🙄 And uh, (💤igh), don a yarmulke, & repent?

    Thanks & my respect, Zumbuddi.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  222. Tusk says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Don’t forget that Abraham Bomba who gave the prisoners a haircut in the chamber, to send the hair off to make mattresses for the German women, NOT to get rid of lice which spreads typhus, just before they were ‘gassed’.

    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/oral-history/abraham-bomba-describes-gassing-operations-at-treblinka

    Like the lamp shades and the soap, hair being used for mattresses is utterly moronic so the question is why was the efficient nazi death machine, so capable of murdering jews, going to hold up their process by giving them all haircuts? Like all stories to do with the holocaust they’re utterly absurd because they’re either delusional or completely fabricated.

  223. @Rational

    “Everybody knows the holocaust is a hoax.”

    Okay wise guy, so then how do you explain that roomful of old shoes in that museum in DC, hmmmmm?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Andre Citroen
  224. Theodore says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    You morons seem to imagine that there are two possibilities, and two only:

    1. That there was a Holocaust exactly as described, which killed six million Jews

    Or

    2. There was no such thing at all, and it is all a myth.

    Actually it’s quite a bit more nuanced than that

    Check out:

    False Claims about Revisionists: http://germarrudolf.com/en/germars-views-2/101-false-claims-about-revisionism/

    Intro to Historical Revisionism: http://vho.org/Intro/GB/index.html

    Dissecting the Holocaust: http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/

  225. @Fran Taubman

    Great, I guess all those millions of black children who grew up without their fathers just “know” what happened to their missing families: the Germans rounded them up in camps, tried to murder them with tattoo needles, and finally gassed them with insecticide, then burned their bodies in wood-fired pizza ovens.

    No wonder they keep banging on about reparations.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  226. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Blame the German leaders for what happened to the Germans. They could have surrendered along the way.

    Boy – you sure get mean real quick!

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  227. nickels says:

    Well, at least we have Trump.

    Lol.

  228. Anonymous[700] • Disclaimer says:
    @Buck Ransom

    Sllaaaam dunk.

    No way y’ns deniers can refute THAT one.

  229. @Tusk

    @Linda

    Germany was a country that did not have sufficient sources of energy to power its war effort. So where did it find the vast resources of energy that were required to cremate six million bodies? In any of the Allies’ aerial photos of the camps, is there any evidence of what this energy supply would have been?

    Asking for a friend.

    • Replies: @Tusk
    , @Fran Taubman
  230. @Oemikitlob

    Wally,

    I just wanted to follow up to be clear:

    I am simply saying that it is a non-sequitur for one to say that because people were given tattoo’s that they were not therefore killed just as it is a non-sequitur to say that they were given tattoo’s and they were killed.

    Neither one of those arguments is logical.

    I am not taking a defense of either position.

    • Replies: @Wally
  231. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Yo germ they did not grow up missing their father they went to camp and he disappeared into a building, and never came out. How complicated is that. Same with his mother and sister.
    GET IT! people disappeared before their very eyes. They were not thinking of reparations they wanted their family back.

  232. Zumbuddi says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Only Jews are gawdz children?

  233. Wally says:
    @Fran Taubman

    LOL Linda.
    There are more so called “survivors / eyewitnesses” to witchcraft than to the equally impossible claims of the laughable “holocaust”.
    There are court records and leading thinkers who ‘proved’ that witchcraft was fact.

    “Intelligent people” are able to determine that if something cannot happen , then it did not happen.

    Revisionist have already proven “that it didn’t happen”:
    – The gassing claims are scientifically impossible.
    – The alleged immense human remains for million upon millions said to exist in known locations do not exist and you cannot show them to us.

    We also note that you have dodged all the information here that blows away your juvenile Zionist horseshit.

    here’s more:
    The alleged Auschwitz homicidal gassing process reviewed and demolished here.
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11143&p=83723&hilit=model+asmarques#p83723

    Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the laughable ‘holocaust’ storyline is the message.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  234. getaclue says:
    @exiled off mainstreet

    Adolf Eichmann said that? Hmmm I read that the Jews had a nice method of how do say it “ball crushing” or threatening same to those who knew they would in order to get the terrible Nazzzzis to comply with their “history’ of things…others may have come across this also?

  235. @Fran Taubman

    “They weren’t thinking of reparations”

    And yet somehow, nobody knows why, they wound up with the fattest reparations windfall in human history.

    And then they built up an entire massive worldwide industry to keep the reparations coming in perpetuity.

    And then they started arresting anyone who questioned the basis for extracting all these rivers of gold.

    And somehow also avoided paying any reparations themselves, for the tens of millions of Russians and Ukrainians they themselves murdered, prior to the start of all this madness.

    And you’re asking us to just take their word for it, about /everything/, because sad-eyed children and piles of shoes. Got it.

    • Agree: mark green
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  236. getaclue says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Actually they couldn’t surrender– Churchill would have none of it–he wanted the decimation of Germany and he got it. He didn’t want peace and did all he could to make sure it didn’t happen–Hitler had the British at Dunkirk and let them go believing that would lead to peace–bad call on his part…one of many….

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @mark green
  237. @crankypat

    If I recall correctly, Winston Churchill did not mention the Holocaust in his history of World War II.

    • Replies: @Buck Ransom
  238. @Diversity Heretic

    According to one of the articles posted on here by Ron Unz: Winston Churchill, Dwight Eisenhower and Charles De Gaulle were all absolutely silent on the matter of the Holocaust in the books they wrote after the war. In something like 6,000 or 7,000 pages (the total of their combined histories and memoirs), the subject just never comes up.
    Curious thing, that.

  239. Anon[172] • Disclaimer says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Source please . It helps.

  240. Anon[172] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wernermagnus

    Jews themselves have admitted this . Louis Farrahakhan is hated for reminding this .

  241. Tusk says:
    @Buck Ransom

    Buck, don’t you know? They used the bodies to power the camps using nefarious nazi technology, perhaps wundertechnologie akin to their wunderwaffe, it is through this German engineering that they were able to use jewish bodies for warmth and use the fuel for other means. As Jankiel Wiernik said:

    “The bodies of women were used for kindling” while Germans “toasted the scene with brandy and with the choicest liqueurs, ate, caroused and had a great time warming themselves by the fire…[At other times] children were snatched from their mothers’ arms and tossed into the flames alive.”

    From: https://archive.is/yEfSB

    I also believe Jankiel’s testimony/book is referenced in the documentary referenced in the above comments twice, 1/3rd of the Holocaust by David Cole, which is a fantastic watch for anyone who hasn’t seen it.

  242. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @Buck Ransom

    I dunno, that is a strange question. It does not take much energy to create an oven. Just a lot of air. The bodies fuel themselves. Google it. Why ask all this stuff. It was a gassing and crematorium.The were so overused the ovens broke down and new ones were ordered. Then they just used open pits outside, and the ashes flew away.
    They did not cremate 6 million. Not all Jews were gassed some were shot, others starved in villages.
    The number in Auschwitz was 1 million. There are a lot of resources out there to answer your questions.

  243. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @getaclue

    They could have surrendered before the Russian onslaught. They could have taken what they had and been done with it. But their crimes pissed the world off so much. I think Russia more than Churchill wanted to decimate the German people. Look at the 15 million Russians that died.

    • Replies: @Ilya G Poimandres
  244. @getaclue

    It is true that Germany sought a negotiated settlement to the war as early as 1941. Hitler never sought war with either Great Britain or the US.

    As for ending the war, deputy leader of the Nazi Party, Rudolf Hess, flew into Great Britain in 1941 to try to broker a deal for exactly that. For his efforts, allies kept Hess in solitary confinement for decades thereafter, until his suicide in 1986 at age 93.

    On the other hand, the commies who killed millions in the USSR and elsewhere were never punished for their murderous deeds. They just gradually reformed themselves. No problem.

    Today, countless students study Marx and Trotsky with little mention of the horrors of communism and its political consequences.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  245. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @Wally

    I do not know any witchcraft people, I will take your word for it. However I know a lot of survivors, who had families that they lost. And other people know people who have families that were lost.
    All in the same location. Were you there? I know people who were there who lost their parents and brothers and sisters. They have photos of those people that are gone. They would love to have had those family members with them.
    Were you there? I do not think you were in a camp. So who gives a flying f what you say. Norman Finkelstein’s entire family died in camps. You have to be a very deranged person not to believe the survivors. You loose a parent and are alone in a DP camp, and you think they made that up.
    Human beings are human beings, you loose a parent at 12 you know it. You carry that with you the rest of your life.
    Lol back at you.

  246. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Oh so now you are on to reparations. You forgot all of your denial that I gave answers to. And skipped right to reparations. What about below.

    You speak of witness testimony as truth. There is memory, and it’s failures – I was confident that I at age 8 walked outside my parent’s Moscow flat with my G-ma, only socks on. It is vivid. I remember the rust on the door to tye entry to the block of flats, the snow piles on the side of the road, my socks flailing above the slosh of the pedestrian side walk. My grandma never walked me to school. She worked 24/7 to push her family forward (hence G-ma).

    Individual memory is subjective.

    Documentary evidence is not.

    The latter is what the law prefers to rely on.

    • Replies: @Lazza L
    , @annamaria
  247. I don’t believe in the “H”- It’s a big ramshackle mess.

  248. @exiled off mainstreet

    Arm tattoos with numbers were also used with internal passports in the old Austro-Hungarian Empire. According to a very elderly aunt, my grandfather had one, and you needed the tattoo and the passport to find work.

  249. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    I remember being pulled up decades ago by a Jewish barrister, later a Supreme Court judge, when, in a context I completely forget, I mentioned that I had read that the figure of Jews murdered was 4 million. No, 6 million, I was told firmly. I was never interested in pursuing the details. Perhaps it seemed bad manners to follow up the casually imparted information that a young Jewish lawyer friend’s mother had her Auschwicz tattooed number on her arm still or the story that being blue eye’d and blonde she had been able to be sheltered by sympathetic Poles for most of the war.

    In response to the beating up of consciousness of the Holocaust, Shoa and Schindler’s List I settled for the view that it was the greatest crime in history because it was done by the nation of Brahms, Goethe and Beethoven – our own civilised best. Now that UR has caused me to focus on much more of the detail I don’t resile entirely from that but am more inclined to inquire fearfully what can lead to such degradation. After all Hitler’s hatred of Jews and his and Goebbels, and others’, whipping up hatred of Jews is well enough documented to allow one to say that getting rid of Jews (with some ambivalence about the assimilated), at least from German controlled Europe, could be regarded as one of the war aims. (Indeed it is easy to see how Himmler, to objections about misuse of resources, could have answered that, apart from getting needed slave labour from starving Jews, the deportation and death – by whatever means – of non working Jews – was at least fulfilling one of Germany’s war aims to the lasting benefit of Germany).

    I thoroughly recommend the book Ron Unz mentioned in his recent article: “Unfinished War” by Arther Bryant, as a contribution to understanding Germany’s special problems in relationships between native Aryan Germans and Jews.

    FWIW I remain of the view that the deportations of Jews long after the Palestinian, Madagascar and eastern Russian solutions had become impossible, is virtually impossible to explain except as part of a program to substantially eliminate the Jewish populations and expropriate their property (though there all sorts of anomalies to explain like the numbers of Mischlingen in the Wehrmacht and, if true, one third of German real property still, in 1938, being owned by Jews that require one to accept that some Nazis combined pragmatism with fanaticism). There seems to be no basis on which the German deportations of Jews and separation of families can be equated to the rounding up and incarceration of Japanese Americans on the West Coast on partly specious security grounds.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  250. Lazza L says:
    @Kouros

    There’s no business like Shoah business.

  251. @Robert Dolan

    The whites who do survive will do so because they engage in identity politics, albeit they will be compelled, at least for a time, to do so subtly.

    To hell with civic nationalism. Only well-meaning fools still believe in that.

  252. turtle says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Norman Finkelstein’s entire family died in camps.

    Not true, at least if Wikipedia is to be believed:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Finkelstein

    Norman Gary Finkelstein (/ˈfɪŋkəlˌsteɪn/; born December 8, 1953)
    Finkelstein has written of his Jewish parents’ experiences during World War II. His mother, Maryla Husyt, grew up in Warsaw, survived the Warsaw Ghetto, the Majdanek concentration camp, and two slave labor camps. Her first husband died in the war. She considered the day of her liberation the most horrible day of her life, as she realized that she was alone, her parents and siblings gone. Norman’s father, Zacharias Finkelstein, active in Hashomer Hatzair, was a survivor of both the Warsaw Ghetto and the Auschwitz concentration camp.

    Do you have other information?

  253. @mark green

    I first heard about the gas chambers in 1963 or 1964, when I was not yet in 1st grade, from my mother, who was a neurotic woman and often lacked the judgement to decide what was appropriate to tell to young children and what wasn’t.

    She died many years ago, and I am now curious to know where she first read or heard about the gas chambers.

  254. @Art

    Its Anja after she was banned for hurling death threats around, it is the same bad linguistic style.

  255. @Fran Taubman

    Tried to murder them with needles? Why didn’t they think of enlarging them to sword size instead of using a technology that before the war was only used by US executioners, and even then for 1-2 people. It’s a hell of a jump. Even if I smoked an ounce of deathly weed, this idea would still make less sense than walking them down a plank and drowning them all in a big lake or three. Or – since they were trained in, build a ‘railway to nowhere’, take the tracks up to a cliff side and drive the windowless carriages off a cliff. They would never know what hit em. Sure you lose some rolling stock, but it’s still simpler than figuring out how to gas millions of humans in high humidity, cold, swampy territory.

    Your opinion on knowing or finding out about family is faith. The nukes were not the greatest horror of that war. Vitibsk, for example, went from a population of 300,000 to 9. In 4 years. Lot’s of time to exchange twitter handles, and instagram one’s death to acquaintances!

    This however, is not any thing to do with documentary evidence, just hearsay. If 40% of the Jewish population had gone missing, they would have taken less time to update their Almanac. Until 1949 to ‘oh, shit – where’s Jerry and the other lot?!’.

  256. @Fran Taubman

    Why would they keep the 12 year old alive if there was no ‘arbeit mach frei’, but just pure, intentional, killing? Honestly, if they harboured that much hate, they would have killed their kids first. What nice, incomplete, psychos they seemed to have been!

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  257. @Fran Taubman

    Read Bakunin and Russian history. The Germanic tribes, cousins to the Slavs, have been at it trying to Germanize the Slavs for at least millennia. Poland became Catholic, Ukraine is now getting peeled off.

    Slavs have had a negative opinion of the Germans long enough before the war to need an excuse to lose themselves in the horrors of war.

  258. @Fran Taubman

    On Kohlberg scale of moral development, where you are?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development

    Hmmm… I guess near the bottom.

    • LOL: Fran Taubman
  259. @Fran Taubman

    “Since it takes two to four hours at temperatures ranging from 1,400 and 2,100 F, or 760 and 1,150 C, the estimated energy required to cremate one body is roughly equal to the amount of fuel required to drive 4,800 miles, or 7,725 kilometers.”

    Basic top of Google Quora linked answer.. doesn’t seem easy to me. Especially when you are blockaded in by the US and UK navy.

    To use precious resources – again, firstly and primarily human capital, as well as industrial capital, on a bit of old ultraviolent vengeance. This is not a German mind. This is not a Chinese mind. The Jews when they stormed Jerusalem with the Persians in 614AD did however buy the Christian slaves for money, only to slaughter them all. This faith’s ideology has shown such levels of cruel vengeance historically. So it makes anecdotal sense they would believe others would do the same. Sadly for them, and again anecdotally cause we seem to not want to discuss ‘what’, but ‘who’ and ‘why’, the Germans are nothing if not efficient.

    • Replies: @turtle
  260. @Robjil

    Germans should write tons of books & make thousands of movies on their plight.

    • Agree: Zumbuddi
    • Replies: @turtle
  261. teaching non existent history as factual is what made me disbelieve everything I am taught or most things I read. How can I believe anything these days when anything I look deeper into is found to be a fabrication. Instead of the actual victims being helped a few in the minority uses the falsehood to enrich themselves all the while to oppress others and gain an unwarranted leverage against others. This is inequality in the extreme. Punishing the victims and creating new victims all so a few can live a life of luxury and do what they think is their right to be above others.

  262. Parfois1 says:
    @Wally

    On this one I am on your side of the barricade. Why are the Yanks so feeble as to allow the Jews to rub their noses into the dirt so viciously? Educating the kids in schools to feel guilty for something, debatable as it is, that has nothing to do with the US or its history is the ultimate insult to a, supposedly, sovereign country.

    I find it hard to believe that this is all done without any opposition or support for the victims of this evil Jewish inquisition and witch huntings and burnings. Where are the parents of those kids? Shouldn’t they get together in support of the principal, lay siege and boycott the school, burn the books teaching Jewish propaganda, start a rebellion. Do something (apart from bleating)!

    If you don’t know how to make a revolution, or some nuisance, I can help and do my bit by sending a free copy of the “Bolshevik Revolutionary Manual”.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  263. @Bardon Kaldian

    Don’t forget that Stepan Bandera’s two brothers died in Auschwitz too but they were apparently killed by Polish inmates and not gassed. Maybe one day they’ll claim those Jews were also killed by Polish inmates when demanding reparations from Poland. Haven’t you heard that it was communists and other Jews that committed the Holocaust? The few SS guards just stood around all let the inmates run the camps so it’s not their fault. Apparently.

  264. @Rational

    Good luck with getting justice in USA Mr. Rational. The last time justice was served in America is in the Leo Frank case by the lynch mob. And when were the perpetrators of the attack on USS Liberty identified, extradited to US, tried and convicted?

  265. Nonny says:
    @Desert Fox

    How do you know this is a fact?

  266. Zumbuddi says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Is that you, Fran Taubman?

  267. @Wally

    Here start with this:

    “The Ruins of the Gas Chambers: A Forensic Investigation of Crematoriums at Auschwitz I and Auschwitz-Birkenau” by Daniel Keren, Harry W. Mazal and Jamie McCarthy in Holocaust and Genocide Studies, Oxford University Press, Volume 18, Number 1, Spring 2004, pages 68-103.

    “A Study of the Cyanide Compounds Content In The Walls Of The Gas Chambers in the Former Auschwitz and Birkenau Concentration Camps” by Jan Markiewicz, Wojciech Gubala, Jerzy Labedz, Z Zagadnien Sqdowych z. XXX, 1994, 17-27.

    http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/polish/institute-for-forensic-research/

    “Kalkulierte Morde. Die deutsche Wirtschafts-und Vernichtungspolitik in Weissrussland 1941 bis 1944”, Gerlach, Christian,Hamburger Edition, HIS Verlag, 1998.

    “Besatzungspolitik und Massenmord. Die Einsatzgruppe D in der sudlichen Sowjetunion 1941-1943”. Angrick, Andrej, Zeitschrift fur Geschichtswissenschaft, 2004, Jahr 52 Heft 6, pages 576-577. (Occupation Policy and Mass Murder: Einsatzgruppe D in the Southern Soviet Union 1941-1943. Journal of History, Vol. 52 No. 6.)

    “Völkerverschiebung und der Mord an den europäischen Juden”, Aly, Götz, Fischer Taschenbuch Verlag, Frankfurt am Main, 1998

    “Treblinka: The Operation Reinhard Death Camps”, Arad, Yitzhak, Belzec, Sobibor, Indiana University Press, Bloomington, 1999

    “AUSCHWITZ: Technique and operation of the gas chambers”, Jean-Claude Pressac, The Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, 1989

    “The Struthof-Natzweiler Camp” by Miloslav Bilik
    https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/struthof/strut2e.shtml

    “The Dachau Gas Chambers” by Harry W. Mazal OBE
    https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/dachau-gas-chambers/index.html

    My Response to Carlo Mattogno, By John C. Zimmerman
    https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/response-to-mattogno/

    Photographs Documenting the Holocaust in Hungary by László Karsai Ph.D https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/hungarian-photos/index.html

  268. Robjil says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Top Jewish Zionist Advisors instigated WWI, WWII and now the Seven Nations to Destroy. We need a “Never Again Listen to Jewish Zionist Advisors Act” to end world wars.

    Here are quotes about the Top Jewish Zionist Advisors who instigated WWI and WWII from Benjamin H. Freedman’s 1961 speech. He was a Jewish American.

    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread76025/pg1

    Germany and the Jews
    The Role of the Jews in WWI and WWII
    A Speech by Jewish Defector:
    Benjamin H. Freedman
    1961

    WWI and Jewish Zionist Advisors
    They wanted the Balfour Declaration. The Ottomans had to be knocked out to get Palestine.

    The Zionists in London had sent cables to the United States, to Justice Brandeis, saying “Go to work on President Wilson. We’re getting from England what we want. Now you go to work on President Wilson and get the United States into the war.” That’s how the United States got into the war. We had no more interest in it; we had no more right to be in it than we have to be on the moon tonight instead of in this room. There was absolutely no reason for World War I to be our war. We were railroaded into — if I can be vulgar, we were suckered into — that war merely so that the Zionists of the world could obtain Palestine. That is something that the people of the United States have never been told. They never knew why we went into World War I.

    Jewish Zionist Advisors declared war on Germany in 1933, six years before the physical war started on Sept. 1 1939.

    In 1933, when Germany refused to surrender to the world conference of Jews in Amsterdam, the conference broke up, and Mr. Samuel Untermyer, who was the head of the American delegation and the president of the whole conference, came to the United States and went from the steamer to the studios of the Columbia Broadcasting System and made a radio broadcast throughout the United States in which he in effect said, “The Jews of the world now declare a Holy War against Germany. We are now engaged in a sacred conflict against the Germans. And we are going to starve them into surrender. We are going to use a world-wide boycott against them. That will destroy them because they are dependent upon their export business.” And it is a fact that two thirds of Germany’s food supply had to be imported, and it could only be imported with the proceeds of what they exported. So if Germany could not export, two thirds of Germany’s population would have to starve. There was just not enough food for more than one third of the population. Now in this declaration, which I have here, and which was printed in the New York Times on August 7, 1933, Mr. Samuel Untermyer boldly stated that “this economic boycott is our means of self-defense. President Roosevelt has advocated its use in the National Recovery Administration,” which some of you may remember, where everybody was to be boycotted unless he followed the rules laid down by the New Deal, and which was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of that time.

    Here we go again in our time. Jewish Zionist Advisors love pushing for war and destruction on this beautiful planet earth.

    https://newobserveronline.com/isis-inevitable-consequence-of-the-jewish-lobbys-middle-east-warmongering/

    Jewish Neocons in the Bush Administration
    The IASPS conference study group leader was a Jewish neocon named Richard Perle, who attended as a delegate from the American Enterprise Institute; while another Jewish neocon named Douglas Feith attended as a representative of Feith and Zell Associates.
    Both these individuals then emerged as key players in the Bush administration: Perle was Chairman of George Bush’s Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee, and Feith became Under Secretary of Defense and the Pentagon’s Policy Advisor.
    They were joined by a long list of similarly Israel-first Jewish neocons in the Bush administration:
    * Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Defense Secretary and campaign advisor;
    * Robert Satloff, US National Security Council Advisor;
    * Rabbi Dov Zekheim, Under Secretary of Defense and Comptroller;
    * Elliott Abrams, National Security Council Advisor;
    * Marc Grossman, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs;
    * Richard Haass, Director of Policy Planning at the State Department and Director of National Security Programs;
    * Henry Kissinger, former Secretary of State, a Pentagon advisor who sat on the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board;
    * James Schlesinger, another Pentagon advisor who also sat on the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board;
    * Robert Zoellick, the US’s Trade Representative;
    * Mel Sembler, President of the Export-Import Bank of the United States;
    * Israeli citizen Ari Fleischer, official White House spokesman;
    * Joshua Bolten, Bush’s Chief Policy Director;
    * Steve Goldsmith, Senior Advisor to the President and domestic policy advisor;
    * Mark Weinberger, the Assistant Secretary of the Treasury;
    * Samuel Bodman, Deputy Secretary of Commerce;
    * Bonnie Cohen, Under Secretary of State for Management;
    * Ruth Davis, the Director of the Foreign Service Institute;
    * Lincoln Bloomfield, Assistant Secretary of State for Political Military Affairs;
    * Jay Lefkowitz, General Counsel of the Office of Budget and Management;
    * David Frum, Bush’s official White House speechwriter;
    * Ken Melman, White House Political Director; and
    * Brad Blakeman, White House Director of Scheduling.
    The scene was now set: all they needed was an excuse to maneuver America into destroying Iraq for the benefit of Israel, according to the plan which Perle and Feith had already helped to map out.

    Linda, I think the world needs to pass the “Never Again Listen to Jewish Zionist Advisors Act”. Climate Change, Immigration Games, and SJW games are nothing compared to the warmongering and world wide destruction pandering that the Jewish Zionist Advisors have done to our beautiful planet in the last hundred years.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Truth3
  269. Parfois1 says:
    @Cowboy

    Stalin and Lenin enforced the death penalty for antisemitism in the USSR as well.

    I am not an expert on Soviet law and jurisprudence but I have read here many times unambiguous statements, as the one quoted above, intuitively knowing that they are pure slanderous anti-Soviet propaganda. Any person with basic understanding of legal principles and systems would detect that the Soviet Criminal Code (or any code) would not and could not single out someone or group out of the general population for particular protection.

    My intuition did not deceive me. Here is the wording of Art. 59.7 (1927) under the heading of :
    State Crimes – 2. Crimes against the order of government, especially dangerous for the Union of SSR.

    Article 59-7. (1927) Propaganda or agitation, directed toward arousing national or religious enmity or discord, or likewise the dissemination or preparation and storage of literature of the same character, shall be punishable by–deprivation of freedom for a term up to two years.
    The same activity in time of war, or during mass disorders shall be punishable by —
    deprivation of freedom for a term not less than two years, with confiscation of all or part of property, with increase, under especially aggravated circumstances, up to the supreme measure of social defence — shooting, with confiscation of property. [6 June 1927 (SU No 49, art. 330)].

    A legally trained person would notice immediately that such crimes are subsumed to be crimes against the State with the intent to cause national or religious enmity. That is a very hard hurdle for the prosecution to overcome in any situation let alone the special aggravating circumstances.

    I rest my case. I can state categorically that there were no anti-semitism laws in the Soviet Union and I will eat my hat publicly if anyone proves me wrong.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @Parfois1
  270. anarchyst says:
    @Truth3

    At the end of WW2, it was noted that the “displaced persons” (jews) had horrific hygiene practices and refused to use toilets and sinks for basic hygiene, instead defecating in the corners of rooms instead of using toilets. The memoirs of George Patton have said as much. The “occupants” had to be threatened with violence in order to get them to use the sanitary facilities.
    Jews who were “liberated” had to be forced to use toilets. The soldiers running these facilities commented on the disgusting habits of the jews. It’s all documented. It is fact that their hygiene habits were nonexistent.
    Just recently a jew couple was kicked off a airline flight originating in Detroit because they smelled so bad (stunk). They made the news, as they claimed that they were being discriminated against (rightly so). Near the end of the news, it was mentioned that the airline provided them with a (free) hotel room overnight (where they could clean up their acts). The jews resumed their trip the next day without incident.
    Even today, there are jews who refuse to conform to normal hygiene habits. I’ve encountered many of them…

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @anon
  271. Robjil says:
    @Robjil

    Here are some more info about how the Jewish Zionist Advisors are pushing for wars for Israel in our time.

    Israel admits it to be so.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/2125#.U5pJWflkTTo

    1991 war on Iraq war ended on Purim. 2003 war on Iraq started on Purim. Who was advising our war machine about these dates?

    Stop and think for a moment: the last Gulf War in 1991 ended erev – just before – Purim. This Gulf War began motzei – just after – Shushan Purim. Get the picture? In between, “The Jews had light, and gladness, and joy, and honor.” (Book of Esther 8:16)

    Talk about Adar, Purim month, as a time for increasing joy.

    Great things are yet to come. The Hebrew month of Adar is a time for ‘increasing joy’. Purim is a time for celebrating our salvation from enemies who plot our destruction. Adar falls at the end of the calendar for months and the end of the winter. And after Adar comes Nisan – or Aviv, meaning springtime. Springtime is a time of rebirth and regeneration after a long dark winter. Pesach – Passover – Z’man Cherutainu – the time of our freedom – falls in Nisan. In Nisan, we were redeemed from slavery in Egypt, and the future redemption will be in Nisan.

    What dates was Dresden firebombed?

    Feb. 13 and Feb. 14, 1945. This was the first and second days of Adar.

    The Nuremberg Trials was a Jewish Zionist Passion Play.

    On October 16, 1946, as foreshadowed in the names of Haman’s ten sons, ten Nazi leaders were hanged as war criminals. And if that doesn’t impress you, out of nowhere, with the rope around his neck, Julius Schtreicher – editor of Der Sturmer, the Nazi propaganda newspaper – shouted out with flaming hatred in his eyes, just as the trap door opened, “Purimfest 1946!” It was reported in the international press of the day.

  272. Parfois1 says:
    @JohnnyD

    He’s point is: you are thick.

  273. @Parfois1

    If you don’t know how to make a revolution, or some nuisance, I can help and do my bit by sending a free copy of the “Bolshevik Revolutionary Manual”.

    I can help even more.

    Step 1.: Get tons of money from Wall Street’s and London’s international banking mafiosi.

    Do that, and the world is your oyster. Slave too.

  274. TBC
    Nobody did mention tuberculosis so I have to do it.
    Grim reaper actually during and after war was working mostly with tuberculosis.
    There were no X-ray machines in concentration camps, and cibazol did not cure the tuberculosis.
    Kafka himself did die of tuberculosis so most probably his two sisters died of it also,
    Strangely enough females died of tuberculosis far quicker than males, and also were more susceptible to catch it.

  275. Moi says:
    @Anthony Aaron

    True, but PG is wasting his time because the fact is America loves being Jews’ bitch.

  276. @Fran Taubman

    Shit also happens when you decide you don’t want to be subject to International Communism and when your enemies are the largest empires the world had ever seen.

    Also, have a look at Robjil’s comment #274.:

    In 1933, when Germany refused to surrender to the world conference of Jews in Amsterdam

    Stuff also happens when you attempt to control the world too. (That’s a hint.) Now, go read the Protocols.

  277. Richard B says:
    @Counterinsurgency

    A long-winded, boring and pretentious answer that only goes to further prove my point.

    • Replies: @Counterinsurgency
  278. @Skeptikal

    The genocide of Jews did occur.

    Absolute bullshit. Self-serving bullshit in most cases as well. You ought to consider being a little more skeptical.

  279. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Don’t these stinking shit Jooz get nasty when they are ‘found out’.

  280. Truth3 says:
    @Robjil

    Disgusting that there are so few American Citizens aware of the Jews’ malicious nature and overwhelming control of our Country.

  281. @renfro

    In the mid-time in the northen “israeli” city of Afula parks signs have a clear message:

    “DOGS AND NON- ISRAELIS KEEP OUT”
    https://www.rt.com/news/464148-israel-lifts-park-ban-arabs/

  282. @Ilya G Poimandres

    Why, why, why? Why did the Russians allow any Germans to live after what they had done to them? Why do Americans send drones to kill terrorists in Yemen who may or may not have killed US citizens but have not bothered to bring to justice those who attacked USS Liberty? Why didn’t the West back the Soviets against Muslims in Afghanistan when now they have to fight those same Muslims there? That kind of reasoning gets you nowhere.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Ilya G Poimandres
  283. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    From a Professional …

    “… one cremation at a time in each retort — that’s what the cremation machine is called, a retort — from start to finish, it’s about three hours. The body is placed into the retort, which is 1600 degrees at three hours. After the three hours is up, the cremated remains are actually too hot to handle. There’s actually a cooling period before they can be handled and processed into a fine consistency before they’re returned back to the family. The process is quite complex and takes a little bit of time.”

    That’s with today’s superior technology. Which didn’t exist in WW2.

    Three hours. One body. Then, cooling off, and grinding the remains. Bones. Then, disposal.

    Thirty bodies a day? Lot of work. Sixty a day? Ninety a day?

    12 Ovens nonstop with no maintenance? Maybe Ninety a Day. Maybe. More like a few dozen or so in actuality, the normal daily death rate of 80,000 people incarcerated in wartime conditions, with the inmates known to have bad hygiene.

    So supposedly 2,000 a day are being processed? 20:1 ratio of overcapacity accomplished?

    I can hear the specious arguments now…

    “Jew bodies had a lot of fat, so they burned faster!”

    “The Jew bodies were emaciated from the ghetto life, so they burned faster!”

    “They crammed 4 bodies into each retort, so they burned faster!”

    “The sonderkommandos washed the bodies with loving care, so they burned faster!”

    “They didn’t let the remains cool… so they did it faster!”

    “The entire bodies went to Yahweh as smoke, no remains needed, so it was faster!”

    Physics. Deal with it.

    • Replies: @turtle
    , @Genrick Yagoda
  284. @anarchyst

    So they are dirty bastards. But why? Is there something in their religion or culture that stops them from washing?

    Anyway, whites and some others are considered dirty by standards of people in Southeast Asia who shower themselves several times a day. And do you know how many times Muslims wash their face, hands, and feet each day? Is the average white cleaner?

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  285. @SolontoCroesus

    The soap fable was merely a retread of WWI British Intelligence atrocity propaganda, disseminated through the Daily Mail, The Times and the like. Beat you to it!

    “The story described how corpses arrived by rail at the factory, which was placed “deep in forest country” and surrounded by an electrified fence, and how they were rendered for their fats which were then further processed into stearin (a form of tallow). It went on to claim that this was then used to make soap, or refined into an oil “of yellowish brown colour”. – 17 April 1917″

    Although this was purportedly the beastly Hun rendering his own deceased kameraden into materiel
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Corpse_Factory

    Anytime a tale like this is put about, guaranteed it’s fake and gay.
    If desperate, you can make soap out of a number of native European wild plants and shrubs right out of the box, for instance the .. Soapwort. Or even bracken roots, which aren’t exactly in short supply. They could have farmed the stuff if they felt like it. Kelp is another, less effective bodywash source.

  286. @Bardon Kaldian

    Holocaust deniers on UR are the funniest people ever. They spend half their time trying to prove that the Jews deserved to be holocausted and the other half denying that Hitler and his Nazis tried to holocaust them. They have no balls to say they deserved it and they got it. So what good was their idol Hitler they praise to high heaven if he couldn’t do the main job he claimed he would do? They want a second coming of Hitler to rid us of the Jews when even the first one couldn’t do it. How can anyone take them seriously? Good for a laugh and that’s about it.

  287. Saggy says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    There seems to be no basis on which the German deportations of Jews and separation of families can be equated to the rounding up and incarceration of Japanese Americans on the West Coast on partly specious security grounds.

    ??? See rabbi Yosef ben Porat explain ‘Why Did Hitler Hate the Jews’….. this is why Hitler wanted to expel the Jews …


    Video Link
    Plus international Jewry declared economic war on Germany in 1933 …
    The Jews were far from being model citizens.

  288. anarchyst says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The average white doesn’t “stink” or try to justify his “stink” to others.

  289. anarchyst says:

    One would think that jews would be happy that “6 million” were not gassed or otherwise “dispatched”, but such a revelation would destroy their “cash cow”–“holocaustianity”. Even now, they are trying to keep their fable alive for future generations by insisting that children, grandchildren, and other jews are affected by “holocaust transference syndrome” and are worthy of “holocaust reparations”. If they have their way, reparations for “holocaustianity” will never end.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  290. Sparkon says:
    @Parfois1

    Start chewing.

    Reply to an Inquiry of the Jewish News Agency in the United States

    In answer to your inquiry :

    National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.

    Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism.

    In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

    J. Stalin
    January 12, 1931

    https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm

    (My bold)

    • Agree: Cowboy
    • Replies: @Parfois1
  291. @mark green

    the commies who killed millions in the USSR and elsewhere were never punished for their murderous deeds

    Nazis did a little punishing of commies, or so I hear.

    • Replies: @mark green
  292. @Jake

    Amazing how the truth always fits together: it’s all about the relentless attacks by the devil’s children (John 8:44) against The Divine Son of God.

    Modern China is defined by revolution – whether by monarchists or old fashioned warlords or Marxists – that had one main focus: to exterminate, for all practical purposes, from China all trace of historic Christianity.

    Your insight is inspired, Jake. God bless you in the name of Jesus.

  293. turtle says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    Exactly.
    The laws of thermodynamics are immutable.
    First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy is conserved.
    “Self fueling crematory?” ([ignorant] poster to whom you correctly responded)
    Ridiculous. That would constitute a “perpetual motion machine of the first kind,” one which violates the First Law of Thermodynamics. not even those clever fellows at I.G. Farben could do that.

    Speaking of which…
    ah, never mind.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  294. turtle says:
    @Truth3

    Physics. Deal with it.

    Amen.

  295. Wally says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Then please give us the names of just three of your “survivors”.
    Tell us in their own words what they claim, including where they were & when.

    – Indeed, the same locations as claimed by the your beloved Jews, not me.
    ex: It is Jews that say that 34,000 Jews were shot at Babi Yar. Excavations have not found any of the claimed human remains. See more below.
    I have pictures of my deceased relatives, so what? May be I should just make up claims that they were murdered by Jews.
    And yes people died of disease in WWII, greatly exacerbated by Allied illegal attacks on civilian supply transports into the sites.
    – Why do you reject witchcraft “survivors”? Were you there? You have to be insane to reject these good people.
    – Why have you dodged telling us how the laughable ‘gas chambers’ supposedly worked?

    Sobibor ‘monument’ supposedly over the remains of 250,000 Jew, actual remains of the alleged 250,000 cannot be shown.
    Alleged “ash pond” for an alleged 1.1M Jew remains at Auschwitz, however these alleged remains cannot be shown to exist.
    Alleged location of Treblinka mass graves / remains of 900,000 Jews according to Treblinka officials, no alleged remains exist.
    photo from ‘Surviving Treblinka’, by Samuel Willenberg.It is captioned: “crane lifting corpses destined for cremation”.
    Does anyone see any “corpses”?

  296. Bookish1 says:

    So the debate goes on about the holocaust as a yes or no. But the Jews did some things that pissed the germans off. Most of us know that. So whatever the Jews suffered the question is how much of that suffering did they deserve.

  297. Wally says:
    @Commentator Mike

    You really mean the Germans who attacked the USSR in in order to stop a planned Soviet attack.
    Why should the Germans have allowed any Soviet POWs to survive after what the Soviets had planned?

    Roosevelt Conspired to Start World War II in Europe
    https://www.unz.com/article/roosevelt-conspired-to-start-world-war-ii-in-europe/
    Why Germany Attacked the Soviet Union, Hitler’s Declaration of War Against the USSR – Two Historic Documents: https://www.unz.com/article/why-germany-attacked-the-soviet-union/
    http://www.codoh.com
    Why Germany Invaded Poland, by John Wear: http://inconvenienthistory.com/11/1/6391
    Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999

  298. @Fran Taubman

    “Then they just used open pits outside, and the ashes flew away.”

    I thought I viewed a lot of funny posts before on the ‘net, but this one is a gut buster.

    If there was one single body the mean wicked Nazi’s wanted to burn and have the ashes fly away, it was that of Joseph Goebbels. However, since bodies Do NOT burn by their own “fuel”, Colonel Klink and Sgt Schultz wound up with this:

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  299. @turtle

    Many people do not know that at the Irving V Lipstadt trial David Irving produced the records of the Degesh Corporation regarding shipments of Zyklon B. The amount of Zyklon B shipped to Bullschwitz was exactly the same as the non “death camp” of Oranienburg.

    In other words, exactly as much as was required for routine fumigation. No where near enough to snuff 4 garillion Jews with bug spray.

  300. Rurik says:
    @Truth3

    Shocking that nobody… and I mean nobody… challenges the falsehoods and propaganda that riddle that article.

    Mr. Unz, look what they have done to your magazine.

    Where on the Internet will we be able to speak freely about these issues if/when Mr. Unz invaluable site when Ron retires, or the Unz Review is otherwise terminated?

    I don’t think it’s possible for a site like this to be perpetual, and what I wonder is if there’s anything quite like it out there. (Years ago there was an excellent site called The Liberty Forum, but it was shut down by the usual suspects).

    It seems like they’re shutting down every Internet outlet for honest debate if it crosses the agenda of Google/Apple/Facebook/Pelosi/AOC/BLM/La Raza/The View/Schumer/Bibi, et al.

    And increasingly there’s a pall over all free-wheeling Internet conversations.

    I don’t know of any major sites out there where informed and intelligent voices are given free rein.

    • Replies: @Wally
  301. @Truth3

    Ivan Legace testified at the Zundel Trial. Legace operated North America’s largest crematorium, and this crematorium was almost identical to the largest one at Auschwitz. You can read his testimony about the preposterous cremation claims here.

    http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/26lagace.html

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  302. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:

    The principal issue that deniers have disputed is the reason the Bauleitung began to build so many new ovens. Historians have long recognized that the extensive building campaign was because the authorities were committing mass murder and wanted an efficient means of disposing of the bodies as well as structures which could be used to gas prisoners. At the time the building began there were two structures in Birkenau which were used for gassing. They were located in the wooded area behind the camp. There was also a gas chamber in the crematorium located in the main camp which housed the six ovens. [15] Forensic tests done by the Institute For Forensic Research in Cracow, Poland in 1994 found traces of the poisonous hydrocyanic acid in all five crematoria, [16] consistent with a great deal of eyewitness testimony and other documents from Auschwitz which show that these structures were used as gas chambers. [17] The two structures in the wooded area were completely destroyed by the Germans and no trace remains. However, as will be seen later on, there is photographic evidence of one of these structures.

    Deniers claim that there were no gassings at Auschwitz. They attribute the principal reason for building so many ovens to other factors. In 1977 Arthur Butz, the best known of American deniers, hinted that typhus was a principal reason for building so many new ovens. However, this hint became explicit, and by 1992 he was attributing the typhus epidemic which swept the camp in the summer of 1942 as the reason for the building campaign. [18] Carlo Mattogno attributes the building campaign to the typhus epidemic and a decision by the camp authorities to greatly expand the population of the camp. [19]

    One of the reasons deniers need to make this argument is that they must find a justification for building so many ovens. This argument also involves the amount of bodies these new ovens could dispose of in a 24 hour period. A report from the Bauleitung in June 1943, after all of the new ovens became operational for at least some period, placed the cremation capacity of all 52 ovens at 4756 per day. [20] Deniers have not totally agreed among themselves on this issue, but Butz and Mattogno place the cremation capacity at about 1000 per day, or 30,000 per month. [21] Mattogno claimed the maximum cremation capacity of the six original ovens was 120 per day, [22] even though he was familiar with evidence from another concentration camp that showed a Topf double muffle oven could burn 52 per day or 26 per muffle. [23]

    • Replies: @Rurik
  303. anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    “There is more actual documentation and proof of the Armenian Genocide, for example, as a deliberate race/religion-focused act than there is for the Holocaust. ”

    Philip Jenkins, in his book “The Lost History of Christianity: The Thousand-Year Golden Age of the Church in the Middle East, Africa, and Asia–and How It Died,” says:

    Some months afterward, Polish Jewish lawyer Raphael Lemkin used the cases of the Assyrians, and the Christian Armenians before them, to argue for a new legal category to be called crimes of barbarity, primarily “acts of extermination directed against the ethnic, religious or social collectivities whatever the motive (political, religious, etc.).” Lemkin developed this theme over the following years, and in 1943 he coined a new word for this atrocious behavior – namely, genocide. The modern concept of genocide as a uniquely horrible act demanding international sanctions has its roots in the thoroughly successful movements to eradicate Middle Eastern Christians. Lemkin recognized acutely that such acts might provide an awful precedent for later regimes: as Hitler asked in 1939, “Who, after all, speaks to-day of the annihilation of the Armenians?”

  304. @Wally

    Well yes, if that’s what they thought. And why didn’t the Russians obey Ilya Ehrenburg’s command when he told them to kill, kill, kill the Germans? Of course they did, but up to a point only. This kind of discourse proves nothing.

    I hope you’re writing to that school and all the authorities in Florida to reinstate that teacher and stop persecuting those who question the Holocaust.

  305. @Wally

    Why should the Germans have allowed any Soviet POWs to survive after what the Soviets had planned?

    I think this premise is wrong.
    In the initial phase of Barbarossa, German forces made 3 million Soviet POW due to the Soviet offensive troop concentrations. This was a logistic nightmare to supply these POW with food, German forces had not been prepared to take so many POW.
    Many begged not to be send back to Stalin, who considered returned Soviet POW enemy collaborators. He had many returned killed or sent to the Gulag.
    I also don’t see, why Germans would deliberately kill Russians, who were not the enemy, the Soviet and Jewish commissars were.
    Germany obeyed the Geneva convention, the Soviets did not, they were not even a signatory.

    I mean, if Germans would start to fight US ongoing occupation, the enemy would not be the US soldier, but his demonic masters he serves. The US soldier is just the useful idiot, cannonfodder, just as these Russians were serving the Soviet Jews.

    Anyway, what actually happened when German forces pushed back the Soviets in the Baltic or Ukraine for example, the locals went on to take bitter revenge on the remaining Soviet pockets and lynched them for the savagery they did. The locals actually supplied German forces with food, shelter and logistics, they regarded the Wehrmacht liberators from jewish Soviet terror.

    The eastern front was really messy and brutal.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  306. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    I think you will find petrol will work just fine, and then body fat takes over.
    Testimony about the cremation of Hungarian Jews in open-air burning pits (late 1944):

    [MORE]

    Between May 1944 and November 1944 more than 400,000 Jews from Hungary were sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau, where about 90 percent of them were murdered almost immediately in the gas chambers. Even one of the two cottages, which had been previously used as a gas chambers, was re-opened to handle the massive overflow.

    Filip Müller was put to work in a Sonderkommando, assigned to dig burning pits behind Crema/Gas Chamber 5 and in the woods by the cottages. The burning pits were 40 to 50 meters long, about 8 meters wide and 2 meters deep [131 to 164 feet long, about 26 feet wide and 6.5 feet deep]. Eventually they dug a total of nine large burning pits “making it possible to burn an almost unlimited number of bodies.”[2]

    Dr. Charles Sigismund Bendel was a Jewish physician who was sent to Auschwitz-Birkenau where he was assigned to the crematoria Sonderkommando. At the Bergen-Belsen trial in 1945, Bendel confirmed how quickly and efficiently these open-air burning pits worked. For instance, he recollected how a transport of Jews from Lodz, Poland had been murdered and burned in such way: “I came at seven o’clock in the morning with the others and saw white smoke still rising from trenches, which indicated that a whole transport had been liquidated or finished off during the night . . . behind the crematorium they dug three large trenches 12 metres long and 6 metres [39 feet by 20 feet] wide. After a bit it was found that the results achieved even in these three big trenches were not quick enough, so in the middle of these big trenches they built two canals through which the human fat or grease should seep so that work could be continued in a quicker way. The capacity of these trenches was almost fantastic. Crematorium No. 4 was able to burn 1,000 people during the day, but this system of trenches was able to deal with the same number in one hour.”[3]

    There are, in fact, very rare images of these open-air burning pits by a member of the Sonderkommando. Taken clandestinely at Crema/Gas Chamber 5, these pictures show the women being forced to undress before they enter the gas chambers and the men of the Sonderkommando dragging bodies to the open-air burning pits.[4]

  307. anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    The Orthodox are noticeably offensive, based on my subway encounters. I think there is something in the Talmud about deodorants. The heavy black clothing doesn’t help (and is more proof that that have nothing to do with the Middle East: compare the noble and practical robes of the Arab).

  308. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:

    It is the time to expose the real holocaust committed by the zionist mass murderers and stop brainwashing of American and western children by holohoax in schools.

    Expose the holohoax all over the world.

    Seven-year-old Palestinian Child Killed by Israeli Settler in Hit-and-Run

    https://imemc.org/article/seven-year-old-palestinian-child-killed-by-israeli-settler-in-hit-and-run/

    [A Palestinian child who was riding his bicycle near his village in the southern part of the West Bank was hit by an unknown Israeli settler and killed on Monday.
    Tariq Zebania, 7 years old, was from Tarqumia, west of Hebron, and was riding his bicycle by the settlement road near his town. He was struck by a car driven by an Israeli settler who headed into the ‘Adhoura’ settlement after hitting the boy.]

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  309. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    But the well-constructed crematoria fell far behind at a number of camps, and especially at Auschwitz in 1944. In August the total cremation reached a peak one day of 24,000, but still a bottleneck occurred. Camp authorities needed an economic and fast method of corpse disposal, so they again dug six huge pits beside Crematorium Five and reopened old pits in the wood.

    Thus, late in 1944, pit burning became the chief method of corpse disposal. The pits had indentations at one end from which human fat drained off. To keep the pits burning, the stokers poured oil, alcohol, and large quantities of boiling human fat over the bodies.

    Why don’t you deniers try to find the missing 5 million Jews? Instead of worrying about the amount of bodies burned. That is pretty much of a done deal.
    http://www.auschwitz.dk/Docs/new_page_11.htm
    Philip Muller was a Sonderkommando, it was his job to burn the bodies.
    LOL right back attacha dick brain.

  310. Rurik says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Were Germans ever resident in concentration / work camps?

    Yes, of course, but they, (unlike the commies and enemies of Germany) deserved to suffer and die.

    Because they were Germans, and therefor evil and guilty.

    Just like all Palestinians and unapologetic white Gentiles. Terrorists and ‘white supremacists’ who must be marginalized and demonized and replaced with all due haste.

    What’s sort of disappointing is that these ((people)) are so predictable. Always full of hatred and genocidal angst. Always full of duplicitous hubris and doltish megalomania.

    Nothing new under the sun.

  311. @anonymous

    Why do you people call everything “holocaust” these days? Its an inflationary use, like competing with the Jews to outdo them.
    What the Jews do to the Palestinians is wrong, disgusting and repulsive, but it is not “holocaust”, which means “burnt offerings”. The Jews commit yet another Genocide in Palestine.
    All the civilians firebombed in German and Japanese cities were the only and true victims of a Holocaust. You could extend this to Korean and Vietnamese cities the US ruthlessly firebombed and destroyed as well, perhaps Iraqi Falujah and a few other US acts of terrorism. The USAF and RAF are terrorist units, and the IDF.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  312. Zumbuddi says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Your diatribe is a hash of pre- and post-war propaganda with a (very) few verifiable facts salted in.

    Honorable Mention for the Rush Limbaugh prize but unless you take delight in watching the next generation lead USA off a cliff, your statement should NOT be taught to US schoolchildren.

    • Replies: @Oemikitlob
  313. Rurik says:
    @Fran Taubman

    One of the reasons deniers need to make this argument is that they must find a justification for building so many ovens.

    we all know the justification!

    why beat this dead horse?

    It was for the soap!

    look at how hygienic these Nazis were.

    They were obsessed with using the best soap their diabolical cleverness could come up with, and we all know Jewish fat makes the best soap. So there’s really little point to belaboring the necessity of ovens, when those ovens were being used to produce the lard, required for the Nazi soap.

    • Replies: @Oemikitlob
    , @Jester
  314. @Fran Taubman

    Hilarious. Linda actually believes Jews are inflammable!

    If your nutty claims were true, every single Jewish funeral home in the world would be plastered with signs reading:

    WARNING! DEAD JEW!
    NO SMOKING WITHIN 50 FEET!

    Once again, read the trial testimony of someone who actually operates a crematorium exactly like the ones at Bullschwitz. And lay off the nutty fables from “survivors”. Fairy Tales don’t count.

    http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/26lagace.html

  315. @Commentator Mike

    It does if you posit an absolutist murdering nation. Because there will be dissonance if that nation provides birthing wards, entertainment, fuel for travel, and 1500 calories per day to those they seek to murder.

    Look, I have Aspergers – meaning I am not a psychopath only because I have personal distress. I have enough cognitive empathy to understand how I would be without that aspect of empathetic concern. Were I to imagine myself without it, and considering I had my pray in my hands, locked, loaded – I would not spend a bullet to kill them. I might eat their liver – but that is calories for the war effort.

    I would do one step beyond what Eisenhower did with German POWs, put them in a field and let them cannibalise themselves.. ‘there can only be one’, and watch the ‘fun’.

    Fuel? Gas? Coke? German labour? When in a space of total war?!

    No, if you accept the Germans thought of the Jews etc as vermin (and Hitler clearly stated that vermin=Slavs in Mein Kampf), and they had control of their nation (as dictatorships do?), then, make the troops use knives.

    Hitler was not complacent, otherwise he would not have tried to keep the UK and US out of the war. He was right – they entered, Germany lost. No naval embargo would have been a different equation.

    A nation at war does not intentionally sacrifice its resources, including and especially humans.

    Yes, I agree – let’s discuss ‘what’ and not ‘whom’ or ‘why’ first..

  316. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @Germanicus

    The burning of Jews, everyone knows, is totally fabricated. The zionists committed many genocide but don’t take any responsibility. The genocide in Persia during WWI, in China, in the central Asia, during opium war, headed by a zionist jew, David Sassoon, and crimes against humanity in WWI to topple Ottoman Sultan, Abdulhamid, who refused to sell Palestine to the Jewish mafia for money.

    Since the zionists have turned ‘holocaust’ into a weapon against the world population, thus other people use this word to have the zionists’ attention AS WELL, since they are highly ‘sensitive’ about and protective of this word.

    Otherwise, I agree with your view.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  317. @Zumbuddi

    “…your statement should NOT be taught to US schoolchildren.”

    True, but it is at the government-run schools standards (i.e. no depth, breadth or scope).

  318. @Rurik

    Lol! Is that Brando?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  319. @Commentator Mike

    Holocaust deniers on UR are the funniest people ever

    .

    I think you meant Holohoaxers. Anyway,

    [Holocaust deniers on UR] spend half their time trying to prove that the Jews deserved to be holocausted … They have no balls to say they deserved it and they got it.

    Huh?

  320. Rurik says:
    @Oemikitlob

    Yep

    Once a Nazi, always a Nazi

    (I heard he spent millions of dollars tracking down cases of that soap, and he refuses to use any other brand)

    ‘the horror, the horror’

    Indeed Marlon. Indeed!

    • Replies: @Wally
  321. homahr says:
    @Truth3

    It probably wouldn’t make too much of a difference but Unz commentators should inundate that blog post with constant comments. Just make those pathetic mods at amconmag do some more work.

  322. @Saggy

    ??? See rabbi Yosef ben Porat explain ‘Why Did Hitler Hate the Jews’….. this is why Hitler wanted to expel the Jews …

    The video was well worth the precious 8 minutes I spent watching. Many thanks.

  323. @Jacques Sheete

    Long ago at this article-thread, & regarding how US public school teachers are advised to teach students about 9/11, Jacques Sheete asked me: “What did the article conclude, CO?”

    Apologize for late response, but in summary, public school teachers can teach about 9/11 at their discretion.*

    Nonetheless, linked below & fyr, is a video displaying how a Middleboro School taught students about 9/11 history. Thanks & my respect, JS.

    Selah, regarding the non-tenured’s teaching of Holocaust & 9//11 history in the ZUS, “discretion is the better part of valor.”

  324. @Digital Samizdat

    “Holocaust” is derived from the Greek word meaning an offering that is entirely consumed by fire. It entered the English language in the 1582 Douay Bible, the first English translation of the New Testament by and for Roman Catholics. The scholars who worked on this groundbreaking work were noted for transliterating into English terms found in the original Latin and Greek texts. Other words first used in our language in this Bible include gratis, victim, and, ironically, that most Protestant of words, evangelize.

  325. @Fran Taubman

    Problem here is that the camp was built on landfill over a swamp. Deep pits would quickly fill with groundwater. Also the trees that were cut down to provide the fuel in the story were not seasoned as firewood must be in order to be combustible. In a modern crematorium twenty gallons of fuel are needed to reduce a human body, which is 90% water, to ash. The idea of producing the same result with human body fat is beyond absurd. The Sonderkommado narrative is that they dragged the corpses along one by one with metal utensils shaped like canes, instead of placing them on a wheeled device of some sort to reduce the enormous task of moving so much weight day after day after day. One also wonders how a dozen single crematoria were built instead of one large blast furnace, given what we hear so much about German efficiency.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  326. @anonymous

    Well, consider “holocaust” as a word like a black magic spell.
    By using it also at every opportunity, you unknowingly prolong the spell.
    The aim should be breaking the spell, not to keep this spell alive, because it is nourishment for certain forces, they draw power from the spell, because the spell has been bound to Jews.
    The Jews basically operate on magic and sorcery, their rabbis do.
    Hollywood is also a magic operation, 200 years ago, people would have called Hoollywood black magic, that blurs the mind of people.

    • Replies: @Oemikitlob
    , @anonymous
  327. Ron Unz says:
    @Truth3

    You should take a look at the controlled comment section after the article…

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/sunday-morning-at-auschwitz/

    Shocking that nobody… and I mean nobody… challenges the falsehoods and propaganda that riddle that article.

    Mr. Unz, look what they have done to your magazine.

    Yes, it’s pretty unfortunate. Just in case you hadn’t seen it, here’s the article I published last year about how I got purged from TAC:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/why-the-american-conservative-purged-its-own-publisher/

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Saggy
  328. Wally says: • Website
    @Rurik

    No, no.

    Marlon Brando was good pals with Moshe Peer who claimed to have been gassed SIX times.

    – Former inmate, Moshe Peer, recalled a miraculous escape from death as an eleven-year-old in the camp. In a 1993 interview with a Canadian newspaper, the French-born Peer claimed that he “was sent to the camp gas chamber at least six times…maybe children resist better, I don’t know.” Gazette, Montreal, Canada, August 5, 1993

  329. turtle says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    The term “useful idiot” comes to mind.
    No doubt James Corbett’s famous video ist streng verboten.

  330. S says:
    @Saggy

    Interesting video with the rabbi.

    He’s illustrating the point that there’s an ongoing struggle with those that accept that there are actual historical distinct people’s, ethnicities, races, and cultures, worthy of preservation, which he boldly indicates he does, and those who refuse to accept that and wish to ‘mix’ away everyone and everything.

    Though he doesn’t say it, the latter types often seem to want to have their cake and eat it too..ie ‘mixing’ in just about every way, while simultaneously retaining the benefits of some shell of their former identity, which ultimately doesn’t seem tenable.

    The world’s a big place; seems there could be some place with plentiful land and resources allotted for those who don’t care at all about the preservation of the various races and cultures, where they could mix away with abandon. It could be called ‘New Pangea’.

    I’ve never yet come across one of these ‘internationalist’ ‘progressive’ types who would accept such a thing, though, from what I can tell.

    They seem to want it all, which in the end, will probably mean that they’ll have nothing at all.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  331. Wally says:
    @Commentator Mike

    – Strawman.

    No one says they deserved what never happened. You’re lying and illogical as usual.
    But then that is what Communists do.

    – And why don’t you simply present proof for the alleged 6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    What are you afraid of, little weakling?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  332. @Anthony Aaron

    You forgot that, in Holocaustianity, the truth is no defense.

  333. @Wally

    Strawman you. I never said I believe in the 6 M figure or the soap or some other details. What self-respecting Nazi would want to wash himself with the soap made from a dirty Jew? But if they used it on those they kept alive for slave labour that’s another matter.

    No point debating with someone whose only recourse is personal insults. Everyone can do that. When thousand page tomes fail then just run your mouth with whatever. He, he. Just goes to show. Shrieking emotional outbursts and foaming at the mouth. He, he. Very Jewish and very Germanic too. He, he. Why? Did I offend the memory of the greatest leader and soldier in world’s history. He, he. Some corporal is it?

  334. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @Historicus

    Prove it didn’t happen? You cannot where did all the missing people go. You come into a station, you get off on a platform (photos galore proof this) a vast amount of people go one way, some people go another way. The vast amount of people go into a building where there are ovens with slabs, smoke stacks etc. There were ovens built by a company.
    None of the vast amount of people who went into that building come out. Where did they go.
    You start the next day and repeat from when the train arrives at the station.
    It is ABC. There rest is the rest. Why have ovens. There were 45 ovens. Why have rooms with chambers? Why have piles of clothes and hair.
    Liberators from all over the world liberated those camps and saw with their own eyes. Russians, Americans. No one can make that up. The Germans never decided it. If Germany was falsely accused why not prove it, they did not. Worrying about ground water etc. is ridiculous. IT HAPPENED.
    5 million Jews disappeared before EYES OF THEIR FAMILY.
    They used petrol for fuel.
    Ask the makers of the Ovens why they were designed the way they were. They broke down constantly from over usage and heat.

    • Agree: FB
    • Troll: Saggy
    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Rich
    , @Truth3
    , @FB
  335. @Commentator Mike

    ‘Deserve’ is a non-Buddhist construct.

    We say kamma-vipaka. The law of action-result of action.

    What is not kamma cannot have vipaka.

  336. anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Oemikitlob

    I changed the name of the man I replied to and kept it simple for the sake of the audience that may read the article it’s attached to but I believed it needed to be said. We’ll see…

    We’ll see… ?!

    You expect some kind of awakening to happen because of some nobody’s words? Delusional much?

    the destruction of my heritage, culture, homeland, its institutions and its economy

    I don’t have a clear idea about the true scale of this, except for whatever you degenerates bleat about, but let me tell ya, at this point it is not even close to justice served, for all the evils AmeriKKKa and its other imperialist minions have wrought on this earth.

    • Replies: @Oemikitlob
  337. Wally says:
    @Rurik

    said:
    “Where on the Internet will we be able to speak freely about these issues if/when Mr. Unz invaluable site when Ron retires, or the Unz Review is otherwise terminated?
    I don’t think it’s possible for a site like this to be perpetual, and what I wonder is if there’s anything quite like it out there. (Years ago there was an excellent site called The Liberty Forum, but it was shut down by the usual suspects).”

    Where you been? CODOH has been debunking the fake “holocaust” for decades.
    From A to Z, it’s all there. Join in, read, ask questions, & make comments.
    See the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com
    Cheers.

    “One should not ask, how this mass murder was made possible. It was technically possible, because it happened. This has to be the obligatory starting-point for any historical research regarding this topic. We would just like to remind you: There is no debate regarding the existence of the gas chambers, and there can never be one.”

    – endorsed by 34 “reputable historians” and published in the French daily Le Monde on February 21, 1979.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  338. @Sic Semper

    Judaism is essentially sociopathy disguised as a religion. One mark of a sociopath is an inability to feel remorse for anything he does.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  339. Wally says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    said:
    “Then they just used open pits outside, and the ashes flew away.”

    Nope. You don’t even know about the ridiculous tall tales you’re trying to defend:

    “The mass graves were opened and the corpses were taken out, to be consumed by the flames of huge pyres (the ‘roasts’). The bones were crushed and, together with the ashes, were reburied in the same graves

    – Israel Gutman (ed.), Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, 4 vols., Macmillan, New York 1990, vol. 4, p. 1481-87

    Again, a ridiculous story to be sure, but there it is.
    And Jews claim to know exactly where these alleged “mass graves” are, but in fact there are no alleged human remains.

    Game over.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  340. @Fran Taubman

    Prove it didn’t happen?

    Are you a bit thick?
    You people are the claiming side, you people admit there is no physical evidence to prove your claim. you people run an inquisition against truth, research and speech.
    You people have to prove, you are the claiming side, because only morons try to prove a negative.

    In essence, you demonstrate again and again, that you are really not the brightest bulb in the jewish menorah, because you insist that a negative is proven. Totally absurd, bonkers, a bit mentally retarded.

    You in fact turn around the legal principle “innocent until proven guilty”.
    Hence your jewish star chamber “justice” of “truth being no defense”.

  341. Rich says:
    @Fran Taubman

    It’s very difficult to face facts that contradict sincerely held beliefs. But you can’t argue the physics of the matter. The nazis didn’t have the infrastructure to cremate, or gas, that many people. It would be an impossible project. You must also understand that many Germans, Poles, Russians and others lost their whole families, too, don’t you? Such is the terrible cost of war. No one is saying many Jews didn’t die in WW2, it’s just that the holocaust narrative doesn’t stand up to vigorous investigation. That’s why some countries have passed laws forbidding research into the issue. There would be no reason to forbid research if the truth landed everyone at the accepted narrative.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  342. @anarchyst

    One would think that jews would be happy that “6 million” were not gassed or otherwise “dispatched”

    Excellent point.

  343. @Bardon Kaldian

    “But, generally- it doesn’t work. You can’t base your identity on atrocities you’ve been victims of. It is not sustainable.”

    They’ve been sustaining it for over 3,000 years.

  344. @Germanicus

    To expose your ridiculous insanity Anja, erm Linda, I ask you to prove that Swinburne Island did not kill and cremate immigrants. Impossible task.

    After several cholera pandemics in the nineteenth century, the federal government built the Swinburne Island and Hoffman Island to serve as areas of quarantine for immigrants arriving by ship and carrying contagious diseases.[1] Along with Hoffman Island, which was constructed in 1873, Swinburne was used through the early 20th century to quarantine immigrants to the United States who were found to be suffering dangerous contagious diseases upon arrival at the Port of New York. Immigrants suspected of having such diseases were taken to the quarantine hospital and were not allowed to go to Ellis Island for entry until they were shown to be well or were cured of the disease.

    Swinburne was the second built, about a mile south of the earlier island, and it has a crematorium.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swinburne_Island

    Do you get your ridiculousness?

    German camps were also multilayered in regard to fighting an epidemic, with very similar equipment, infrastructure, buildings, just like the Islands of New York.

    Why would Auschwitz have a hospital, brothel, theater, music hall, football field,showers, a kitchen, a swimming pool and camp money?

  345. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @Germanicus

    5 million missing people is proof. You are so in the back woods with this it is not funny.
    You have to locate those missing people to prove they never died. The Holocaust is a scientific and historical fact no matter how much it upsets you. The majority of the world sees you as a flake, a mentally deranged person that manipulates facts to suit a narrative.
    There are witnesses both German and Jewish. Physical evidence in the chambers and photos of the bodies.
    You go and find those missing fathers, mothers, sisters and bothers that went into a smoke stacked building and never came out. And listen to the people that worked there, and survived. Story after story.

  346. @ChuckOrloski

    Thanks. Chuck. Unfortunately, what we see in the video is about what one would expect in the brainwashed gulag.

    It’s an uphill struggle all the way.

    And speaking about forgetting, it’s amazing how many young folk never heard about Vietnam. Sorta like how few have ever heard of the war Uncle Shithead waged on Mexico, or the earlier one against Canada.

  347. What the ‘Murkan government has become
    after years of war-making delirium injected into the system by neocons…

  348. @Germanicus

    Indeed, the burden of the proof is on the accuser. When investigated, the story of the gas chambers, cremations or burnings doesn’t stand up. However, millions of Jews were abducted by train and locked up in concentration camps, and did not return. If they were not murdered, then what happened to them? Revisionists have no answer to this legitimate question, and in this case the burden of providing an answer is on them. 100,000 Jews from Holland were abducted, hardly any returned. 400,000 Jews from Hungary were abducted, hardly any returned. If they were not murdered, what became of them?

  349. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Fran-a-Linda Taubman…

    You get nastier and more hysterical (((Jewish traits))) as the ‘discussion’ continues on.

    You do realize others notice this… right?

    Time to change to a new alias Fran… er… Linda.

  350. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @Wally

    There is a good photo of the bone cruncher.
    Done

    • Replies: @Wally
  351. JamesinNM says:

    Truth can withstand the most rigorous scrutiny, but a lie cannot. You can dim the light of truth with a shade or hide it with a cover, but you cannot extinguish it. In the end, the truth will be shouted from the roof tops for all to hear.

  352. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @Rich

    However, even more incredible was the actions taken by the Nazis between August 19 and September 28 last. Vilkis said that in the middle of August the SS mobilized a party of 100 Russian war prisoners, who were taken to the ravines. On August 19 these men were ordered to disinter all the bodies in the ravine. The Germans meanwhile took a party to a nearby Jewish cemetery whence marble headstones were brought to Babii Yar [sic] to form the foundation of a huge funeral pyre. Atop the stones were piled a layer of wood and then a layer of bodies, and so on until the pyre was as high as a two-story house. Vilkis said that approximately 1,500 bodies were burned in each operation of the furnace and each funeral pyre took two nights and one day to burn completely. The cremation went on for 40 days, and then the prisoners, who by this time included 341 men, were ordered to build another furnace. Since this was the last furnace and there were no more bodies, the prisoners decided it was for them. They made a break but only a dozen out of more than 200 survived the bullets of the Nazi machine guns.[40]

    People saw there families disappear before their eyes. Who says that Germany could not perform mass extermination you. If you go on line you can find photos of the outdoor pits with bodies all around. There is a done of evidence. It is not like loosing someone on a fighting front. These people exited a train as a family unit, some walked towards a building with a smoke stack and never came out. Piles of clothes not people. You have to look at this like a human story. Imagine your father disappears at a restaurant. You look and he is no wear to be found. 5 million Jews are missing that is an incontrovertible fact. There are birth certificates and no people.

  353. @Fran Taubman

    So where is the conclusive, definitive, unquestionable truth about this missing “5 million”? Actually, was it not “6 million”? And why is denial of the Holocaust a criminal offense in various Western jurisdictions, but not of the Armenian Genocide, which was perpetrated against a Christian nation and was far better documented?

  354. @Franklin Ryckaert

    If they were not murdered, then what happened to them?

    How many are we talking about?

    I take official red cross records, which give about 280.000 cases of death., which is not only Jews, but in total for all German camps.

    So lets say generously, to satisfy your death cult, 200.000 Jews died of Typhus, or even natural deaths as the Auschwitz death records suggest.
    50.000 Jews went to Palestine under the Haavara agreement, obviously alive, an unknown number of Jews went to the US, UK and basically just got themselves a new name and identity. The Soviets count war losses as “holocaust victims”.

    Ok, so, were do you get the 100.000 dutch Jews from my shilling friend? Any proof of this number? Oh yeah, nizkor or whatever biased BS source.

    If I look at the jewish almanac before and immediately after the war in 1945 up until 1948, basic math tells, the Jews had in 1945 a surplus population of about 5400 Jews compared to 1939. Explain please.

    I take it for granted, you don’t really try to do the ridiculous 6 million fable.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  355. @Germanicus

    The rest went to Israel after the war, and as you know very well, the ships with Jews had been waiting in the Baltic or north sea for months to go to Palestine, eg the ship “Exodus”, and the Brits/Allies sank some of these ships, because these eastern European Jews on these ships were aggressive and could not be unloaded anywhere, they behaved badly as UN records show very clearly.

    To give context why Brits sank some of these ships, the Jews had meanwhile engaged in terrorism against the Brits in Palestine, Lehi, Haganah, Stern gang, which essentially became the IDF, murdered Lord Moyne, did King David Hotel bombing, murdering the Swedish count Folke Bernadotte.

    • Replies: @turtle
  356. @anonymous

    Hey! Even the elementary school-age crowd is reading Unz now!

  357. To what level is evidence of each individual of the 5 million’s suffering? To the level of testimony at the Dachau trials? 130 crushed testicles of 2000 accused men and so on? The missing appeared in 1949. Long time to having been missed to be missing for such a large figure.

  358. @Fran Taubman

    QUOTE There are birth certificates and no people. END QUOTE

    That is an outright lie. Like the rest of your posts.

    Do you actually believe that is a “bone grinder” that Moses Korn is standing in front of ? Hilarious.

    How did they get rid of it? Did they put the bone grinding machine into a Bone-grinding machine Grinder?

    No one believes your lunatic fairy tales. The fact that you do only proves that “the holocaust” is a religion for the delusional.

    • LOL: Tusk
  359. @Hamlet's Ghost

    A couple other hallmarks of the sociopath are the belief that you’re special, chosen by fate or history and that others are inferior to you; blaming others when things go wrong, instead of accepting responsibility for the consequences of your actions; and the belief that others exist primarily for your benefit.

    • Replies: @Hamlet's Ghost
  360. Saggy says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    I read your comments on being ousted as publisher, which include …

    An important aspect of TAC’s domestic policy agenda still consisted of strident criticism of non-white immigrants and their supposed incompatibility with American society, a position I found distasteful or even ridiculous, but a cross I was willing to bear on behalf of my far more crucial foreign policy concerns.

    Are you still so sanguine about non-white immigration into the US? Europe? ….. Really?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  361. Zumbuddi says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    Elizabeth Warren has a plan!

    Raise taxes to pay for old-school programs and child care subsidies.

    Next it will be, Turn your babies over to the gubmint as you rise from the birthing room.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  362. @Fran Taubman

    Otto Frank is the sole survivor of his family. His two daughters died of typhus in a camp. His wife died of starvation in the camp.
    He had a wife and two daughters that died. He survived. There are countless stories like this.

    So Frank’s wife and daughters were not sent to gas chambers, shot, electrocuted, or boiled alive? Were these three deaths any more tragic than the millions starved to death by various communist regimes? How many other millions of people died from starvation or disease during the 1920’s, 30’s, and 40’s?

    During the 8 years of WWII, it is estimated that over 70 million people died. Should 64 million deaths be forgotten while we are eternally reminded of a claimed 6 million deaths? Note, that 70 million number does not include the millions killed by the Soviets and the Red Chinese before and after the war. Are the victims of communism not as deserving as the victims of the Nazis?

    The proof is the survivors.

    One of my grandmothers claimed to have seen angels walk the soul of her father out of the house on the night he died. Should she be believed without question?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  363. @Fran Taubman

    And listen to the people that worked there, and survived.

    Why are there even survivors, if Germans had allegdly an extermination policy? Should I ask tortured Hoess? He told scientifically impossible things, extracted by torture.

    You rely on “witnesses” exclusively, basically hear say, the weakest form of evidence, because witnesses can lie, can be intimitated, threatened, bought and bribed, or tortured.
    Hence why a true court of law will not convict someone only on witness account and any lack of forensic evidence to back up testimony.

    If your mommy, claimed, you broke your leg 10 years ago to get some insurance pay out, and and X-ray clearly disproves your mom’s claim, then that is a case where physical, forensic evidence disproves witness testimony.

    Story after story.

    Wiesel wrote in 1967 about a visit to a Rebbe, a Hasidic rabbi, he had not seen for 20 years. The Rebbe is upset to learn that Wiesel has become a writer, and wants to know what he writes. “Stories,” Wiesel tells him, ” … true stories”:

    About people you knew? “Yes, about people I might have known.” About things that happened? “Yes, about things that happened or could have happened.” But they did not? “No, not all of them did. In fact, some were invented from almost the beginning to almost the end.” The Rebbe leaned forward as if to measure me up and said with more sorrow than anger: That means you are writing lies! I did not answer immediately. The scolded child within me had nothing to say in his defense. Yet, I had to justify myself: “Things are not that simple, Rebbe. Some events do take place but are not true; others are—although they never occurred[66].”

    why would liar Eli discuss with his father to be evacuated by the Germans, instead of waiting for the Soviets?

    Stories, oh yeah.

    It was no lie. In my mind, it was true

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  364. Wally says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    said:
    “If they were not murdered, what became of them?”

    LOL. If Jews are so sure that millions of Jews were murdered, then why do they ask such dumb questions like “What became of them?”

    After all, Jews say ’6M Jews & 5M others’ went to huge mass graves, Jews claim to know the exact locations of these alleged enormous mass graves to this day, yet Jews cannot show us anything.
    recommended:
    INFLUX OF 3,000,000 JEWS; Tells Newspaper Executives in Germany That Refugees Have Created Grave Problem, JUNE 24, 1946:
    https://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=2160
    https://archive.is/Jw6EM
    ‘J. Graf and the illogical canard: ‘Where did Jews go then?’ / & more’: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8272
    WJC’s Stephen Wise said 1,250,000 – 1,500,000 Polish Jews homeless in Europe, outside of Poland, & alive after WWII: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10191
    Jews evacuated to USSR during war : https://archive.is/jA9iI
    and:
    more Jews evacuated to USSR during war:
    https://www.jta.org/1944/02/23/archive/german-lauds-russia-for-joining-intergovernmental-committee-for-refugees
    exc.:
    “Since the outbreak of the war hundreds of thousands of Jews from Poland, Rumania and the Baltic countries have been given shelter in the U.S.S.R., and many of them were permitted to pass through Russia en route to the United States and to Palestine.”

    Imagine in a real / legit court of law where someone claims that millions of people were murdered and dumped into mass graves, but then could not produce the claimed mass graves and the alleged contents. They would be laughed out of that court.

    Jews went where Jews are.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Oemikitlob
  365. Rich says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I understand that belief in the holocaust is on par with religious belief, and difficult to question, but do you know how many Russians died in WW2? 27,000,000. That’s a lot, no? 9.000.000 Germans died and 6,000,000 Poles. All the people of Central Europe suffered horribly in an unnecessary war. Imagine the poor German child, his father killed at Dresden, the Polish kid who lost his Dad at Katyn, the Russian lad, left fatherless after Stalingrad. All European people suffered from the war. Your people are no different, or more special, than these others. Sorry.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  366. Wade says:

    haha.. I’m from Arkansas and my grandmother once told a saleslady that she would like to “Jew her down on that” regarding some item she was selling. Now my grandmother didn’t mean anything by that. She was just repeating something she had always heard. She was pretty amused when the saleslady, who just so happened to be a Jew, replied “well, instead, how about I Gentile you up!”

    My Grandmother felt really bad and told me that as a cautionary tale so that I wouldn’t also some day inadvertently offend an unsuspecting Jew. I wish they could’ve just laughed about it together, instead.

    I can say that in all my decades living here in the south that this is pretty much the worst example of antisemitism I’ve come across. Never once in a church, bar or anywhere else have I ever had conversations with anyone where they expressed displeasure about “The Jews”. Just try it some time. You’ll turn everyone off here really quick. I’ve tried to have conversations about some of Ron Unz’s Pravda series topics with close family members and it seems to make them uneasy.

    The South has a very unjustified reputation of antisemitism IMHO.

  367. turtle says:
    @Germanicus

    The Israelis prattle on about “terrorists.”
    They do know about terrorists, alright, since the State of Israel was founded by terrorists and mass murderers, and they have repeatedly elected such to lead their government over the years.
    Pot, meet kettle.

  368. Rurik says:
    @Wally

    Where you been? CODOH has been debunking the fake “holocaust” for decades.

    Yes, I’m aware of CODOH and Ernst Zundel and David Irving and all the rest.

    I know we’ve been harangued over the ‘Holocaust’ for many decades, and how its lies and exaggerations been used to demonize Germany and all Germans, (and to a lesser extent all white Christians) and bludgeon the world into accepting a modern day genocide in Palestine as the consummation of our lessons learned from the Holocaust. [Irony of ironies, and tragedies of tragedy].

    But I still think the issue of 9/11 is the Achilles heel. Because anyone can see the controlled demolition of building seven with their own eyes, and go from there. And the people who perpetrated that crime, are still in power. And demanding more and more wars. This time on Iran. How long before Trump starts talking about Iran and 9/11 in the same sentence?

    The exact same scurrilous scum who perpetrated the Holocaust lie upon us all, are the exact same scum perpetrating the 9/11 lie, in order to make the 21st century look like the last one; Endless wars for Zion.

    Cheers.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  369. SaintJ says: • Website

    I appreciate that Dr. Willian Latson was quite diplomatic in his responses, which is VERY refreshing for someone in the world of academia to have the courage to challenge the status quo imposed on the students and staff. I’m not at all surprised in the outcome of his attempt to not lie, thank you Voltaire…”To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize”

  370. Zumbuddi says:

    What do you say we collect all of Linda’s tales, print them up in a booklet, and take attack of booklets to the next meeting of the Public School Boatd.

    • LOL: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  371. @Franklin Ryckaert

    However, millions of Jews were abducted by train and locked up in concentration camps, and did not return.

    Evidence for both claims, please!

    Did not return? Maybe they went elsewhere. I’ve been to lots of places to which I’ve never returned. See how easy this stuff is?

  372. @Fran Taubman

    People saw there families disappear before their eyes.

    I believe you may be thinking of what’s happened to many Palestinians over the last 70 years or so. Lots of terrible things have happened and continue to happen to them. Same goes for Iraqis, Libyans, and many many others, and it’s seems unlikely that Germans were involved. Can you guess who may be?

    Could you also give us your version of what happened to the Russians during the 20th century?

  373. @Wally

    Don’t be so hard on the dutch shill, who is flexible being alt-right and whatever if it suits him.
    He is at least making a little progress acknowledging some absurdities. Last time he was stuck with 100% absurdity, now its only 90% absurdity.

    When investigated, the story of the gas chambers, cremations or burnings doesn’t stand up.

    Can he be trusted or be taken seriously? Nope, but he in fact denied the holocaust and we should report him to the dutch inquisition.

    Unfortunately, the original speech given at the AZK conference by Sylvia Stolz was purged from the internet, and there is no english subtitled video any longer available.
    She was imprisoned for the conference speech for, and in May 2019, she was imprisoned again for thought crimes, for exposing the devilish machinations in jewish star chamber “courts” in occupied Germany, where the truth is no defense.

    • Agree: BengaliCanadianDude
  374. @Zumbuddi

    Next it will be, Turn your babies over to the gubmint as you rise from the birthing room.

    Hey, that’s why they allow us dumb goyim to breed. And don’t they just love F*&(^ing us! 😉

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  375. @Rurik

    To Wally, who hopefully listened, Rurik succinctly explained: “But I still think the issue of 9/11 is the Achilles heel. Because anyone can see the controlled demolition of building seven with their own eyes, and go from there.”

    “9/11 is the Achilles Heel.” 👍! Larry Silverstein knew all, and he was allowed to scoot away.

    Thanks & my respect.

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
  376. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Zumbuddi

    I am flattered.

  377. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Rich

    No argument. Doesn’t negate the what happened to the Jews.

    • Replies: @Rich
  378. @Rurik

    Rurik,

    Do I note a tone of sarcasm in your commentary or is it for real? Interesting photo. That must have been made by the Nazis themselves during the war as one of those displaying the exhibits seems to be an interned homosexual with a pink triangle. Is that correct? I guess it was his handiwork from the camp work detail. I can’t tell what the armband on the other one identifies him as. Any idea? The other one to the right of the homosexual seems to be smiling as if proud of his work.

    There were also the gruesome and deadly “medical” experiments Nazis carried out on concentration camp inmates and Soviet POWs. Apparently these were very well documented and lots of evidence is available. The allies took away a lot of the files and made use of the results. Of course it doesn’t mean the Americans and others didn’t also perform deadly experiments on unsuspecting victims like prisoners, but the Nazi ones were in a league of their own. And the Nips were doing similar in occupied China.

    But why are you angry with Palestinians and Iranians? They had nothing to do with this.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  379. Theodore says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You have to be a very deranged person not to believe the survivors.

    Nobody denies that Jews were rounded up and sent to concentration camps. Nobody denies that prisoners died in the camps, mostly at the end of the war due to overcrowding, lack of food and medicine when Germany was crumbling. Prisoners died of disease and starvation just like German civilians.
    So-called “Holocaust deniers” claim hundreds of thousands of people died in the concentration camps, based on the actual records. The “Holocaust believers” allege that millions died in the concentration camps, something for which there is no evidence to support.

    Over 95% of the survivors at Auschwitz made no mention of ‘homicidal gas chambers’ in their testimony if you go by the 51,000 testimonies of the “USC Shoah Foundation”.

    Also:

    “Over half of the 20,000 testimonies from Holocaust survivors on record at Yad Vashem are “unreliable” and have never been used as evidence in Nazi war crimes trials [according to archives director and Auschwitz survivor Shmuel Krakowski], Krakowski says that many survivors, wanting “to be part of history,” may have let their imaginations run away with them.”
    SOURCE: B. Amouyal, “Doubts over evidence of camp survivors,” Jerusalem Post (Israel), August 17, 1986, p. 1

    It’s actually quite FOOLISH to believe anything and everything claimed by survivors. It’s also foolish to claim every single survivor lied, but “Holocaust deniers” simply do not claim that. It’s a strawman argument

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @S
  380. turtle says:

    The allies took away a lot of the files and made use of the results.

    Particularly the freezing experiments, as I understand it.
    USAF couldn’t perform those experiments themselves (not officially, anyway) but were happy to get the data intended for the Luftwaffe.
    So what if a few Russian POWs froze to death.
    Hell, the evil Commies were our mortal enemies by then, anyhow (’cause We Said So, and Don’t You Question It). Strange, how a Valuable and Trusted Ally can turn into Satan Incarnate almost overnight. Devilish, that.

  381. @Wally

    “–Imagine in a real / legit court of law where someone claims that millions of people were murdered and dumped into mass graves, but then could not produce the claimed mass graves and the alleged contents.”

    I’ve imagined this scenario many times. This particular claim is arguably the single-most problematic and significant for those who argue in its defense. I have problems with it. If I were on a jury and had to decide a case based on this claim, I would not decide on behalf of the plaintiff(s). It is a very weak argument. There’s no “there” there. Yet it is widely accepted as irrefutable fact.

  382. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:
    @Germanicus

    How about The Israeli Holocaust Against the Palestinians

    The criminal zionist jews want this word be used ONLY for the chosen people. Use of this word for others, they think, diminishes their unique case.
    Well, many people use this word when they want to expose the zionists’ hypocracy.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/before-the-holocaust-ottoman-jews-supported-the-armenian-genocides-architect/

  383. Parfois1 says:
    @Sparkon

    Poor attempt, only showing your ignorance. Still waiting and wearing my hat on my head.

  384. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Theodore

    I tried to find that article in the Jerusalem Post. I saw the book, but could not find the article.
    I have listened to a lot of testimony sounds pretty reasonable to me. The way the transports worked the separations at the train station. The building with the somoke stack. The SS telling the people going to the gas building to take off their clothes and that jobs would await for them after showers, and that the people never came out.
    Same story over and over almost repetitive. In many different languages.
    Claude Lanzman in his movie ShoA did secret recordings where Germans talked about the trains and transports, and knowing what was going on. Also the gassing vans at Chelmmo.

    There is a vast amount of information from Jews and Germans. The Nuremberg trials.

    You cannot possible deny this part of history and be normal. Most survivors did not witness the actual gassing and crematorium they were sent to the work barracks.

    The Sonderkommando the workers have testified. Filip Muller. These people are not lying. They are not. They talk about the back up of the crematoriums

    As early as June 13, 1943, all was not well with the new installation. … Eventually the ovens seemed to fall apart. Crematorium Four failed completely after a short time and Crematoria Five had to be shut down repeatedly. (TWC, V:624) (Between 1945 and 1962 Polish officials found five manuscripts written by Sonderkommando members before their deaths. The published manuscripts and documents relate to the specific process of extermination at Birkenau, and provide detailed descriptions of the crematoria and gas chambers.)

  385. anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake

    Either you act to try to rebuild Christendom (which requires historic Christianity) in some form, or all your efforts are wasted time and energy at best, and may often serve anti-Christ.

    Isn’t “historic Christianity,” Catholicism? You know, the same accursed church which is slowly imploding, because of the degenerates who provide its spiritual guidance? And, your kind is more worried about Paki rape gangs, while your entire spiritual edifice is crumbling… because of Christian priest rape gang, among others. Lol!

    You talk about heresies about the Juden scum, and even go so far as to conflate Islam (true monotheism) with Judaism (monotheistic paganism), which is pathetically hilarious, but you conveniently ignore your own heresies (incarnation? lol!)… you godless Pagan Polytheist Mangods-worshipper.

  386. @Jacques Sheete

    Yes, JS, the mothers do love “fucking us” and we, The Restless Consumers” are delighted to nanny the millionaire & billionaire babies.

    Kyrie eleison. 🙄.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  387. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    See? As soon as she was identified as Fran Taubman, she added Rice.

  388. @Richard B

    OK, Richard B:

    What do you intend to actually do, other than point and shout “Evil?”

    Counterinsurgency

  389. @Kolya Krassotkin

    Yep. One could go down the list of sociopathic indicators and see the JQ as a medical psychiatric issue more than anything else. It’s uncanny.

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  390. anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake

    Civilization worth having will be rebuilt the way it was before: by the Catholic Church.

    Lol!

    A civilisation where no child, primarily, or man or woman will be truly safe from the evil-eye of the predator “godmen,” the pillars of this accursed church.

    Seriously pagan, think before you shoot off your fingers.

  391. prawda [AKA "prawda a nie klamstwa"] says:

    In 1976 I was asked by a graduate student to accompany her to a private party that her thesis advisor was having for her students, staff and co-workers at her home in Warsaw.. Towards the end of the evening when most of the people left the party the topic of conversation turned to the Jews in Poland. I remember she stated that starting with Boleslaw Bierut – Rotenschwanz that between 1944 to 1969 over 2.6 Million Polish Jews changed their ethnic identities and names to Polish, The files that were stored in the Polish State Archives that she personally came across while working at the Polish State Archives. She went on to state that the Jews that changed their names relocated to western part of Poland vacated by the Germans. In the beginning I sort of thought that what she was some what inflating the total figure until now and upon reading the released CIA files from 1954 stating that Jews can not leave Poland as there would be no one to run the country. Also the CIA documents affirm that most of the Jews settled in Wroclaw and the western part of Poland.
    She remarked at the end of the discussion with” just imagine as to what would happen to me if the authorities learned that I am telling to you. I would be tried, shot on the spot or imprisoned or sent to Siberia. That is why to date all of Poland’s Presidents and Prime Ministers just happen to be ethnic Jews. Lech Walesa – Lejba Kohne “BOLEK”, Tadeusz Mazowiecki – Icek Dikman, Aleksander Kwasniewski – Izaak Stoltzman, Jaroslaw i Lech Kaczynscy – Kalkstein and etc.

    -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=383iGxRmchY –

    -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=383iGxRmchY –

    The following is a post by a Polish commentator at a discussion group. We at JTR cannot verify the accuracy of this list, nor the Polish source book for this. But, from our own research, the names we recognize on this list from our own research (Bronislaw Geremek, Jerzy Kosinski, Stanislaw Krajewski, Adam Michnik, Jerzy Urban, Dawid Warshawski) are indeed Jewish. But Lech Walesa?!). ]

    LIST OF NAME CHANGES FOR POLAND’S MOST POWERFUl/INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE IN OUR MODERN ERA. This was a recent post to Polonian groups … We read:

    [MORE]

    Lista osób o zmienionych nazwiskach (Or, “List of persons with name changes”). It continues: Nazwiska autentyczne nizej wymienionych osób zostaly ustalone w oparciu o… (Or, Authentic names of the folks listed below are based upon: (A) Secret catalog data of the people of Poland, according to the Central Bureau’s MSW addresses [Archival numbers are as listed in the Pol. Language]; and (B) Data given by historians in their many publications. ————————————————————————–

    A) Dane tajne kartoteki ludnosci Polski przy Centralnym Biurze. Adresów MSW (nr arch. 1/6526/1 – data archiwacji 9.07.1984, nr rejestracyjny 14750-99 – data rejestracji Wydz. III-2, SUSW Warszawa).

    (B) Dane ujawnione przez historyków w ich licznych publikacjach.

    1. Jerzy Albrecht – Finkelstein

    2. Amsterdamski – Saul Henrykowski

    3. Stanislaw Arski – Apfelbaum

    4. Stefan Arski – Artur Salman

    5. Bronislaw Baczko – Gideon

    6. Leszek Balcerowicz – Aaron Bucholtz

    7. Ryszard Bender – Fajwisch Berenstein

    8. Jan K. Bielecki – Izaak Blumenfeld

    9. Boleslaw Bierut – Rotenschwanz

    10. Alef Bolkowiak – Alef Gutman

    11. Michal Boni – Jakub Bauer

    12. Jerzy Borejsza – Beniamin Goldberg

    13. Wiktor Borowicki – Aaron Berman

    14. Marek Borowski – Szymon Berman

    15. Stefan Bratkowski – Blumstejn

    16. Stanislaw Brodzki – Bronstejn

    17. Jan Brzechwa – Jan Worobiec

    18. Ryszard Bugaj – Izaak Blumfeld

    19. Zbigniew Bujak – lewy syn rabina Malachowskiego

    20. August Chelkowski – Dawid Cnajbaum

    21. red. Kamila Chilinska – Halpern

    22. Wieslaw Chrzanowski – Szymon Knopfstejn

    23. Adam Cichocki – Aaron Zigenbaum

    24. Wlodzimierz Cimoszewicz – Dawid Goldstein

    25. Bernard Cukier – Kolski

    26. Józef Cyrankiewicz – Izaak Cukerman

    27. Marek Czekalski (prezydent Lodzi) – Wachter

    28. Tadeusz Daniszewski – Dawid Kirschbaum

    29. Ostap Dluski – Adolf Langer

    30. Jan Dobraczynski (pisarz) – Gutmacher

    31. Ludwik Dorn – Dornbaum

    32. Andrzej Drzycimski – Abraham Engel

    33. Lech Falandysz – Aaron Fleischman

    34. Arkady Fidler – Efroim Trusker

    35. Pawel Finder – Pinkus

    36. Aleksander Ford – Liwczyc

    37. Wladyslaw Frasyniuk – Rotenschwanz

    38. Jerzy Frydberg – Izrael Frydberg

    39. Bronislaw Geremek – Berele Lewartow

    40. Zofia Gomulkowa – Liwa Szoken

    41. Henryk Goryszewski – Jakub Glikman

    42. Jan Górecki – Muhlrad, dyr. gen. Min. Finansów

    43. Wiktor Górecki – Muhlrad, “komandos” z 1968

    44. Maria Górowska (sedzia) – Sand lub Berger

    45. Halina Górska – Sara Kugelschwanz

    46. Alina Grabowska – Sara Rotenfisch

    47. Hanna Gronkiewicz-Waltz – Hajka Grundbaum

    48. Ryszard Marek Gronski – Goldberger

    49. Wiktor Grosz – Izaak Medres

    50. Jacek Groszkowski – Hersz Herszkowicz

    51. Leon Halban – Blumenstok, prof. KUL-u

    52. Aleksander Hall – Miron Hurman

    53. Marian Hemar – jan Marian Herscheles

    54. Józefa Hennelowa – Zyta Goldmond

    55. Szymon Hirszowski – Szymon Hirsz

    56. Józef Hubner – Dawid Szwarc

    57. Piotr Ikonowicz – Dawid Goldsmith

    58. Henryk Jablonski – Apfelbaum

    59. Jerzy Jakubowski – Miszkatenblit

    60. Ludwika Jankowska – Luba Kowienska

    61. Andrzej Jaroszewicz – Aron Samet

    62. Piotr Jasienica – Lech Benar

    63. Jerzy Jaskiernia – Aaron Aksman

    64. Mieczyslaw Jastrun – Agatstein

    65. Tomasz Jastrun s. Mieczyslawa – Agatstein

    66. Kalina Jedrusik – Makusfeld

    67. Roman Jurys – Chaim Szacht

    68. Jaroslaw i Lech Kaczynscy – Kalkstein

    69. Ida Kaminska – Rachel, dyr. Teatru Zyd. w W-wie

    70. Jan Karski (kurier AK) – J. Kozielewski-?

    71. Andrzej Kern – Dawid Ginsberg

    72. Jan Kobuszewski – Weisleder

    73. adm. Piotr Kolodziejczyk – Robert Cajmer

    74. Grzegorz Kolodko – Samuel Hanerman

    75. Maria Komar (generalowa) – Riwa Zukerman

    76. Janusz Korczak – Henryk Goldszmit

    77. Janusz Korwin-Mikke – Ozjasz Goldberg

    78. Jerzy Kosinski – Josek Lewinkopf

    79. Janina Kotarbinska – Dina Steinberg, z. prof. Kotarbinskiego

    80. Mikolaj Kozakiewicz – Jakub Kleinman

    81. Helena Kozlowska – Bela Frisch

    82. Stanislaw Krajewski – Abel Kaimer

    83. Hanna Krall – Hajka Rejchgold

    84. Krzysztof Król – Aaron Rosenbaum

    85. Marian Krzaklewski – Dawid Zimmerman

    86. Lucyna Krzemieniecka – Wiera Zeidenberg

    87. Edward Krzemien (dziennikarz GW) – Wolf

    88. Kunicki – Goldfinger

    89. Kazimierz Kuratowski – Kuratow

    90. Zofia Kuratowska-Jaszunska – Goldman

    91. Jacek Kuron – Icek Kordblum

    92. Aleksander Kwasniewski – Izaak Stoltzman

    93. Jolanta Kwasniewska -Konty – Kohn

    94. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec – Letz de Tusch

    95. Janusz Lewandowski – Aaron Langman

    96. Olga Lipinska – Fajga Lippman

    97. Teresa Liszcz – Sara Lankamer

    98. Jan Litynski – Jakub Leman

    99. Lubiejski – Zygielman

    100. Lozowski – Salomon Abramowicz

    101. Aleksander Luczak – Dawid Lachman

    102. Helena Luczywo – Chaber (ojciec), Guter (matka)

    103. Antoni Macierewicz – Izaak Singer

    104. Aleksander Malachowski – Jakub Goldsmith

    105. Marek Markiewicz – Samuel Moritz

    106. Tadeusz Mazowiecki – Icek Dikman

    107. Jacek Merkel – Samuel Nelken

    108. Adam Michnik – Aaron Szechter

    109. Andrzej Milczanowski – Aaron Edelman

    110. Jerzy Milewski – Dawid Machonbaum

    111. Leszek Moczulski – Robert Berman

    112. Karol Modzelewski – Samuel Mendel

    113. Zygmunt Modzelewski – Fischer

    114. Jerzy Morawski – Izaak Szloma

    115. Stanislaw Nadzin – Gutman

    116. Stefan Niesiolowski – Aaron Nusselbaum

    117. Jerzy Robert Nowak (prof.) – Moritz Neuman

    118. Piotr Nowina-Konopka – Haim Kromer

    119. Róza Ochabowa – Grunbaum

    120. Andrzej Olechowski – Mosze Brandwein

    121. Józef Oleksy – Szymon Buchwio (Lemek)

    122. Jan Olszewski – Izaak Oksner

    123. Janusz Onyszkiewicz – Jojne Grynberg

    124. Jerzy Osiatynski – Szymon Weinbach

    125. Janina Paradowska – Rachela Busch

    126. Jan Parys – Haim Pufahl

    127. Aleksander Paszynski – Finkelstein

    128. Miroslawa Pazynska – Srula Kundelman

    129. Leslaw Podkanski – Izaak Freinkel

    130. Ezdra Podlaski – Rotenschwanz

    131. Kazimierz Pomian – Furman lub Rotenschwanz

    132. Radkiewiczowa, zona min. – Ruta Teitsch

    133. Helena Radlinska, prof.- Rajchman, Akad.Organ.Sl. Spol.

    134. Mieczyslaw Rakowski – Mojzesz Rak

    135. Jan Regula – Josek Mützenmacher

    136. Jan Maria Rokita – Izaak Goldwicht

    137. Andrzej Rosiewicz – A. Jarosiewicz

    138. Adolf Rudnicki (pisarz) – Schneider

    139. Jan Rulewski – Fikelman

    140. Rutkowski – Botwin

    141. Hanka Sawicka – Szapiro

    142. Ryszard Setnik – Szymon Bauman

    143. Izabela Sierakowska – Rebeka Sommer

    144. Janusz Sitynski – Jakub Leman

    145. Ernest Skalski – Wilker lub Nimen

    146. Skrzeszewski – Fokenman

    147. Krzysztof Skubiszewski – Szymon Schimel

    148. Wladyslaw Slawny – Rosenberg

    149. Antoni Slonimski – Stomma

    150. Zenon Smolarek – Izaak Zimmerman

    151. Ewa Spychalska – Salome Stein

    152. Marian Starownik – Symeon Steinman

    153. Stefan Starzewski – Gustaw Szusterman

    154. Stanislaw Stomma – Szaja Sommer

    155. Michal Strak – Baruch Steinberg

    156. Julian Stryjkowski (pisarz) – Pesah Stark

    157. Jerzy Stuhr (aktor) – Josek Feingold

    158. Hanna Suchocka – Hajka Silberstein

    159. Boleslaw Sulik – Jakub Steinberg

    160. Kalman Sultanik – Chaim Studniberg

    161. Irena Szewinska (sportowiec) – I. Kirszenstein

    162. Stefan Szwedowicz (brat Michnika) – Szechter

    163. Roman Szydlowski – Szancer

    164. Wieslawa Szymborska – Rottermund

    165. Pawel Spiewak – Stinger

    166. Boleslaw Tejkowski – Benio Tejkower

    167. Jerzy Turowicz – Jakow Turnau

    168. Stanislaw Tuszewski – Salomon Hardnik

    169. Magda Umer (piosenkarka) – Humer

    (córka zbrodniarza UB)

    170. Jerzy Urban – Josek Urbach

    171. Mieczyslaw Wachowski – Jakub Windman

    172. Henryk Walczak – Zukerman

    173. Lech Walesa – Lejba Kohne

    174. Dawid Warszawski – Konstanty Gebert

    175. Adam Wazyk (poeta) – Wagman

    176. Andrzej Werblan – Aaron Werblicht

    177. Andrzej Wieczorkiewicz – Hirsz Gelpern

    178. Aleksander Wirpsza – Leszek Szaruga

    179. Dariusz Wójcik – Dawid Wisental

    180. Andrzej Wróblewski – Andrzej Ibislauer

    181. Ludmila Wujec – Okrent

    182. Jan Wyka – Leopold Wessman

    183. Roman Zambrowski – Rubin Nusbaum

    184. Janusz Zaorski – Jakub Bauman

    185. Andrzej Zoll – Rojeschwanz, b. prezes Tryb. Konst.

    186. Janusz Ziólkowski – Izaak Zemler Wojskowi (Army)

    187. gen. Edward Braniewski – Brandsteter

    188. gen. Jan Drzewiecki – Holzer

    189. gen. Marian Graniewski – Gutaker

    190. gen. Wiktor Grosz – Izaak Medres

    191. gen. Artur Jastrzebski – Artur Ritter (Niemiec)

    192. gen. Grzegorz Korczynski – Kalinowski

    193. gen. Leszek Krzemien – Maksymilian Wolf

    194. gen. Matejewski – Kugelschwanz

    195. gen. Marian Naszkowski – Wasser

    196. gen. St. Poplawski – Siergiej Grochow (Rosjanin)

    197. gen. Karol Swierczewski – Walter Goltz lub Tenenbaum

    198. gen. Leon Turski – Tennenbaum

    199. gen. Mieczyslaw Wagrowski – Izaak Pustelman

    200. gen. Tadeusz Wilecki – Wallach

    201. gen. Zarako-Zarakowski – Zarako, Nacz. Prok. WP

    202. gen. Janusz Zarzycki – Neugebauer

    203. plk Michal Bron – Bronstein, prac. MSZ

    204. plk dr Charbicz – Marek Heberman, kom.Szpit.Woj.,Warszawa

    205. plk Otto Finski – Finkenstein, szef sztabu “Sluzba Polsce”

    206. plk Garbowski – Caber lub Gruber, d-ca dyw.

    207. plk Gradlewski – Goldberg, GZP WP

    208. plk Mieczyslaw Kowalski – Kohn

    209. plk Anatol Liniewski – Liberman, prac. ASG

    210. plk Rosinski – Rosenberg, DOW

    211. plk Rotowski – Rotholtz, szef Zarz. Sl. Techn. WP

    212. plk St. Sokolowski – Szabat, prac. WAP

    213. plk Pawel Solski – Pinkus, szef Sl. Samoch. WP

    214. plk Szulczynski – Szulcynger, d-ca pulku

    215. plk Wl. Tykocinski – Tikotiner, attache wojsk.

    216. plk Wadlewski – Waldman, dyr. Dep. Wojsk. w Min. Zdrowia

    217. plk Zarski – Silberstein, prac. WAP

    218. pplk Jerzy Bryn – Izrael Alter, prac. MSZ

    219. pplk Jan Dolanowski – Dollinger, DOW

    220. pplk Adam Laski – Gutbrot, prac. ASG

    221. pplk Henryk Zieman – Zysman, DOW

    222. mjr Roman Domanski – Rosenstand, DOW

    223. mjr Marcel Kot – Abram Sterenzys

    224. mjr Józef Sliwinski – Flaumenbaum, szef Wyd. “Sluzba Polsce”

    225. mjr Henryk Uminski – Keff

    226. Filip Berski – Badner, prokurator wojskowy

    227. Kazimierz Golczewski – Bauman, Nacz. Prok. Wojsk.

    228. sedzia Franciszek Kapczuk – Natanel Frau, Sad Wojsk. Wroclaw

    229. Maksymilian Litinski – Lifszyc, Nacz. Prok. Wojsk.

    230. Lubiejski – Zygielman, II Zarzad

    231. Jakub Lubowski – Chase Smen, prok. Dep. Sl. Spraw.

    232. Jan Orlinski – Unterweiser, Prok. Wojsk.

    233. Henryk Podlaski – Fink, Nacz. Prok. Wojsk.

    234. Rajski – Rajgrodzki, II Zarzad

    235. Roman Rawicz – Vogel, Najw. Sad Wojsk.

    236. Henryk Trojan – Adler, II Zarzad

    237. Henryk Walczak – Zukerman

    238. Zagórski – Winter, II Zarzad

    239. Arnold Zaleski – Zalkind, prac. Prok. Wojsk. Pracownicy MSW

    240. gen. Józef Hübner – Dawid Szwarc

    241. gen. Matejewski – Kugelschwanc

    242. gen. Miecz. Moczar – Mykola Demko (Ukrainiec)

    243. Gen. Julian Polan – Harasim, morderca sadowy

    244. gen. Roman Romkowski – Natan Grinspan-Kikiel

    245. gen. Józef Maria Rózanski – Rosenzweig

    246. plk Leon Andrzejewski – Ajzen Lejb-Wolff, dyr. Gabin. Ministra

    247. plk Bielecki – Moniek Buchman, szef WUBP Kraków

    248. plk Julia Brystiger – Prajs

    249. plk Górecki – Goldberg, dyr. Depart. IX

    250. plk Mieczyslaw Mietkowski – Mojzesz Borowicki, doradca MSW

    251. plk Orlowski – Kugelschwanz

    252. plk Marian Reniak – Marian Struzynski

    253. plk Józef Rózanski – Josek Goldberg, dyr. dep. MBP

    254. plk Sienkiewicz – Lewi, dyr. depart.

    255. plk Szerynski – Szhnkman, prac. MBP

    256. plk Józef Swiatlo – Izaak Fleischfarb, z-ca dyr. depart. X

    257. pplk Helena Wolinska-Brus – Ochsmann

    258. mjr Adam Kornecki – Dawid Kornhendler, szef WUBP Kielce

    259. Antoni Alster – Nauman, v-ce szef MBP

    260. Barbara Giller – Basze Lea, prac. MBP Duchowni (Religion)

    261. kard. Franciszek Macharski – Finkelstein

    262. ks. prof. Józef Tischner – Blumstein

    263. ks. prof. Romuald Weksler-Waszkinel – Jakub Weksler

    bp Jan Chrapek, bp Bronislaw Dembowski,bp S. Gadecki,bp gen. Slawoj L. Glódz, abp Henryk Muszynski, bp Tadeusz Pieronek, bp Tadeusz Rakoczy, abp Ziólek, abp Józef Zycinski, ks. Adam Bijak, ks. Adam Boniecki, ks. Michal Czajkowski, o.

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    , @geokat62
    , @Cowboy
  392. anarchyst says:
    @Fran Taubman

    The people who were charged and prosecuted at Nuremburg were almost all tortured and gave their confessions and statements under duress. From having their testicles smashed, to being forcefully sleep-deprived, British and American torturers under the direction of the jews were able to get the answers they wanted, but not the TRUTH. Many of the outlandish statements were (and still are) taken as truth, although they are mathematically and physically impossible.

  393. FB says: • Website
    @Germanicus

    …because only morons try to prove a negative.

    That’s a popular misconception bandied about by the ignorant…

    The saying “you can’t prove a negative” isn’t accurate. Proving negatives is a foundational aspect of logic (ex. the law of contradiction)

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  394. Rick Scott is one creepy mfer. He’s gotta be related to the Marshall Applewhite dude from the Heavens Gate cult. More robotic and droid-like than Mitt Romney. Scary stuff.

    Anywho, if they want Merican kids to learn about something they should make a video game about it, or a porno. They don’t pay attention in school.

    Here’s one freaky video of him, theres many more, theres something seriously fishy about this guy, the popo need to check his basement for bodies or tied up people for real, I guarantee you he’s got somebody held hostage down there pokin em with a stick in his free time. I honestly don’t know what makes people vote for such weird dudes, he must have ran against an ebola infected Jeffrey Dahmer I reckon

    Florida’s a strange place.

  395. Yes, Holocaust as new cult, but Globo-Homo seems to have inflamed more hearts these days.

  396. turtle says:

    Rick Scott is one creepy mfer.

    Rick Scott belongs in jail.
    Google Hospital Corporation of America.
    See what you find.
    All things are possible if you own the right politicians.

  397. turtle says:
    @prawda

    vacated by the Germans

    YGBSM
    Vacated?
    Forcibly driven out, is what you mean.
    http://www.revisionist.net/final-solution.html

    More of Senator Homer Capehart’s remarks to the US Senate on February 5, 1946:
    “Since the end of the war about 3,000,000 people, mostly women and children and over-aged men, have been killed in Eastern Germany and south-eastern Europe; about 15,000,000 people have been deported or had to flee their homesteads and are on the road. About 25% of these people, over 3,000,000 have perished. About 4,000,000 men and women have been deported to Eastern Europe as slaves. It seems that the elimination of the German population of Eastern Europe – at least 15,000,000 people – was planned in accordance with decisions made at Yalta. Churchill had said to Mikolakczyk when the latter protested during the negotiations to Moscow against forcing Poland to incorporate eastern Germany; ‘Don’t mind the five or more million Germans. Stalin will see to them. You will have no trouble with them; they will cease to exist.’”

    https://jersplace.wordpress.com/2011/04/05/paul-ryans-homer-capehart-problem/

  398. S says:
    @Theodore

    So-called “Holocaust deniers” claim hundreds of thousands of people died in the concentration camps, based on the actual records.

    Quite so.

    The “Holocaust believers” allege that millions died in the concentration camps..

    I would add to that the wish to retain this belief so as to cynically use it as a powerful hatred driven guilt and shaming weapon to demonize and bludgeon other(s) with, but, more importantly, to use it as a negative means of social control towards their own people via fear and terrorization.

    Guilt has a place, but it is to bring about correction. It’s not to wallow in or to cynically use as a weapon against others.

    Regarding the latter, love towards one’s self and one’s own people is the far healthier (and stronger) social unifier, as opposed to a hatred driven self generated fear and terrorization based society.

    This healthy self love allows a person to act in genuine good will towards others, both individuals and peoples.

    It’s bad (and sad) enough that the described situation exist amongst the Jewish people (something I’d like to think I would say if I was Jewish), but for non-Jewish Euros, and others, to have internalized this, or, willfully perpetuate it with the faux virtue signaling, can only be described as a type of sado-machocism.

  399. @Fran Taubman

    Fillip Mueller is a laughable liar. He describes surviving being gassed by breathing though a keyhole, while all the other Jews around him croaked.

    Aside from the fact that HCN is completely toxic and penetrates through the pores of the skin, Fillip Mueller must have lips like the Rodian from the Star Wars movies.

    You believe the nuttiest BS imaginable. No one would believe such whoppers, unless they were told by a “holocaust survivor”‘

    • Replies: @Jester
  400. @Fran Taubman

    Quote: “Were you there?

    Reply: The laws of physics don’t need anyone to ‘be there.’

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  401. geokat62 says:
    @prawda

    LIST OF NAME CHANGES FOR POLAND’S MOST POWERFUl/INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE IN OUR MODERN ERA.

    Most peculiar! Unbeknownst to most Hellenes, a similar phenomenon occurred in my parents’ homeland of Hellas during WWII:

    A significant percentage of the officers and leaders of ELAS were Jews mainly from Salonika. ELAS relied heavily on the educational backgrounds and linguistic skills of its Jewish fighters, drawn from the urban middle class in what, otherwise, was a peasant army. Most of these Jews adopted Greek or nondescript noms de guerre. Thus, Yitzhak Mosheh was Kapetan Kitsos; Daisy Karasso was Kapetanissa Sarika, Louis Cohen was Khronos, David Aharon was Keravnos, Moshe Segora was Toto, and so forth. Many of these resistance fighters died in battle with the Germans or were killed after being captured. The Germans, for their part, lost more than 2,000 soldiers to Greek partisan attacks and were forced to deploy an entire combat division to deal with the Greek partisans.

    p. 110, How The Jews Defeated Hitler by Benjamin Ginsberg

    Another shocker for me was the identity of the man who “played a key role in the foundation of the Communist Party of Greece in 1918.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avraam_Benaroya

    Meet Avraam Eliezer Benaroya:

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  402. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Yes, the Nazis killed commies and visa versa. I was referring however to the justice and punishment that was meted out mercilessly after WWII (upon Germany) as well as the stigma, reparations, and shame that is still raining down exclusively on Nazis and their descendents today.

    Ex-commies on the other hand suffer no similar opprobrium and face no financial responsibility for their murderous past.

    • Agree: Jacques Sheete
  403. mary says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Exactly, @Robert Dolan, we need to always refer to it at the holocaustTM. The real holocaust was the fire bombing of Dresden by the evil brits.

  404. @Hamlet's Ghost

    I have long thought Freud had to invent psychoanalysis to help himself and his clients cope with the neuroses lives lived without honest self-awareness engendered in them.

  405. Dube says:

    In the administration of public education, consider the actionable mandate for accuracy and proscription against error in instructional materials.

    How this might apply to a case like Dr. Latson’s could be worth consideration by all sides.

    http://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php/5574/urlt/2018-IMS.pdf

    FLORIDA STATUTES
    K-20 EDUCATION CODE

    1006.35 Accuracy of instructional materials.—

    (1) In addition to relying on statements of publishers or manufacturers of instructional materials, the commissioner may conduct or cause to be conducted an independent investigation to determine the accuracy of state-adopted instructional materials.

    (2) When errors in state-adopted materials are confirmed, the publisher of the materials shall provide to each district school board that has purchased the materials the corrections in a format approved by the department.

    (3) The commissioner may remove materials from the list of state-adopted materials if he or she finds that the content is in error and the publisher refuses to correct the error when notified by the department.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  406. @Fran Taubman

    I do think this is not true. There was no railway connection from Hungary to Poland.
    Anyway somewhere I did read that Jews from Hungary were sent to Austria not Poland.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  407. @Saggy

    I’m looking forward to viewing the video but all I get is

    http://www.bitchute.com’s server IP address could not be found.

    Can anyone help?

    • Replies: @Saggy
  408. @S

    I think you underestimate how big a factor is a steadily improving standard of living. America’s richest 10 or 20 per cent have allowed policies to be pursued which have denied that to most Americans for 30 years or more. By contrast Australia, though showing a bit of cantankerousness at even recent very low GDP per capita increases, is still being supported by the growth of China and, if the next 20 years are much like the last 30 it should be able to accommodate a high degree of mixing of immigrant and native populations so long as there is no more foolish welcoming of Africans (professors of physics excepted) or of uneducated Muslims. Smart Indians and Chinese (especially diaspora Chinese) are going to be law abiding taxpayers whose educated English speaking children will do a lot of intermarrying with few families of any race objecting.

  409. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @prawda

    Great comment. These 2.5 million crypto-jews pretending to be Polish must be the very 2.5 million that J2 claims were “holocaust” victims.

  410. Holocaust denial is intellectually unserious. You might as well try to argue Hitler and the Nazis as a positive good as they unleashed death and destruction on neighboring countries and peoples out of a pagan self worship personified in the Fuhrer’s own murderous megalomania. He didn’t love Jews, he hated them like some reincarnation of Haman who sought their destruction. And not just the big criminals who incidentally were Jewish, but millions of innocents who weren’t the Rothchilds in any way whatsoever.

    Now it is true that today some people who weren’t among the six million Jewish victims of the Nazis, or among the other gentile six million liquidated by them, either, or even alive at the time, use this abysmal episode in human inhumanity to claim immunity for their own current crimes and to claim profitable victimhood by proxy. Or to claim those who challenge their political agenda are Jew haters and Nazis, a phoney but still somewhat useful libel.

    And it’s true, as Nicholson Baker’s Human Smoke reveals, that there were no clean hands among any nations in the events that triggered the path to World War II, including the rise to power of the duplicitous Nazis.

  411. @FB

    What a nonsense.
    So please prove the moon is not made of cheese.

    I will enforce laws that punish anyone who doubts the moon is made of cheese, I will also send tons of fraudulent shills who claim with straight face in tons of fraudulent movies, that they saw how the moon was made of cheese. I will enforce the cheese moon curriculum in schools and unis, compulsory cheese moon lessons.
    Are you a cheese hater and cheese moon denier? 3.5 years prison for you.

    You are indeed a moron, but please prove the negative.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @FB
  412. @Germanicus

    Just a detail but you should know there is no rule of law, certainly in the Common Law world – and I guess in the Civil/Roman Law world too – that automatically requires a conviction to be supported by “forensic” evidence, by which I take you to mean physical evidence rather than just the testimony of witnesses. Unfortunately far too much trust is put in the wisdom of juries who are supposed to have some magical ability to discern the truthfulness of witnesses. As one of the Atheists for [Cardinal] George Pell I am hoping that an Appeal Court is busy writing a judgment which will say that a jury managed to affirm the virtually impossible on the video link evidence of just one young man allegedly abused in the Cathedral vestry 24 years ago (despite, it should be added, his story including the abuse of another boy, now dead, who told his parents it hadn’t happened!).

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  413. I am not sure of the problem here. An administrator simply states, well, sure the the Holocaust is part of some history classes, just know in our society there are are questions pertaining to the same.

    Frankly, what the admin. expressed is protected. And the removal of said principal white or black is in my view overwrought hysterics. And it appears that way without retreading the arguments about the Holocaust as real or imagined.

    I don’t think the US troops were making the matter up. Germany acknowledges the matter. But whatever view one holds should hardly be a litmus test for employment, especially as a principal who is not in the classroom deconstructing the event but isn’t even teaching.

    And it is unfortunate that so many in leadership could not have behaved consistent to the Constitution.

  414. @Wizard of Oz

    There is no jury in jewish star chamber “courts” in occupied Germany. These political show trials are not even public. Its an inquisition.
    If you try as defense attorney to bring evidence forth to defend your client, you will be charged as well for “denial”. That is the outrageous part.

    But I get what you say, yeah, the legal system is utterly corrupt and dysfunctional, see Epstein and tons f other cases swept under the stinking dirty carpet. However, I does not wonder if your country remains an enemy state to UN.

    The statutes of the IMT mafia …

    As a military tribunal, this Tribunal is a continuation of the war effort of the Allied nations. As an International Tribunal, it is not bound by the procedural and substantive refinements of our respective judicial or constitutional systems, nor will its rulings introduce precedents into any country’s internal system of civil justice

    Germany has unconditionally surrendered, but no peace treaty has been signed or agreed upon. The Allies are still technically in a state of war with Germany, although the enemy’s political and military institutions have collapsed.

    Hence there has not been a peace treaty signed yet terminating legally WWI&WWII.
    It is why the US lie of Germany being an ally is just outright ridiculous.

    https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/07-26-46.asp

    Same happened with the Tokio show trials.
    The fox was set to keep the geese.

    Germany and Japan remain enemy states to the UN as defined in UN charter, untouched to this day.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Parfois1
  415. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Your first sentence is very irresponsible for one writing on a serious subject. Unless you are totally unaware of the conventional Holocaust narrative you must be aware that about 400,000 or 500,000 Jews were supposed to have been transported by train from Budapest to Auschwicz starting in May 1944. Instead of casually blowing offensive hot air you could at least have Googled and read, for example, the article on the Polish Rail Network in Summer 1939. You would have found this:

    “Warsaw was connected with Prague, Bratislava and Žilina. Lwów and Gdynia were also connected with Prague. Budapest had train connections with Warsaw, Cracow and Lwów (the train from Cracow to Budapest had a coach from Krynica to Budapest attached).”

    Auschwicz was/is about 70 kilometers East of Crakow.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
  416. To lighten the mood on such a weighty topic, I present some genocide humour:

    @SaysSimonson

    Replying to @jamie_symc

    white genocide is good
    7:30 AM – 3 Jul 2018

    @SaysSimonson

    Joe Gabriel SimonsonVerified account
    @SaysSimonson

    Covering 2020 Dems @DCExaminer. Find me: @Spectator, @NRO, @AmConMag. Past: @DailyCaller @heatstreet, @NYPost. Tips: [email protected] DM for Signal
    Self-loathing Acela person
    washingtonexaminer.com

  417. @Germanicus

    I see you are determined to provoke someone into calling you a moron with a lot more reason – and excuse for incivility – than you have for your repetitious use, or even one use. You have been completely caught out on your nonsense about it not being possible to prove a negative [try reading the link FB provided if you really need help in understanding that. Perhaps you should just stop posing as an educated person of moderate imtelligence. I see it was you that I noticed blowing hot air about evidence beyond witness testimony being required for criminal convictions. No I won’t be lured into using the m word because “ignoramus” is accurate enough for you.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  418. It strikes me that the practical push-back against this stuff is not nuanced. It is a wholesale flushing of the stool. If we err on the other side of accuracy, so be it. Let us match their emotional and intellectual slovenliness with our own. Let us embrace their motto that power is truth.

    • Replies: @Oemikitlob
  419. Anonymous[341] • Disclaimer says:
    @Germanicus

    What utter total BS from beginning to end.

  420. @geokat62

    Very interesting comment. No wonder we hear so much about the supposed Nazi atrocities against Greeks; the stories always struck me as overblown.

  421. @Fran Macadam

    … Nicholson Baker’s Human Smoke reveals …

    him to be a fairly standard Hitler hater if I remember correctly. I give it 3 of 5 stars.

  422. Rich says:
    @Fran Taubman

    It negates the idea that because some Jews lost many relatives, their suffering was any different than every other ethnicity living in the main area of the war.

    And keep in mind, I can fly to France tomorrow, stand under the Eiffel Tower and say only 25 million Russians died in the war and everyone will shrug their shoulders. If I say 5 million Jews died, I’m subject to arrest. If something actually happened, there would be no reason to make it illegal to research and question. This alone is enough evidence to make one question the government accepted narrative.

    • Agree: Oemikitlob
    • Replies: @turtle
    , @Wizard of Oz
  423. @Fran Macadam

    Fran Macadam said: “Holocaust denial is intellectually unserious. You might as well try to argue Hitler and the Nazis as a positive good as they unleashed death and destruction on neighboring countries and peoples out of a pagan self worship personified in the Fuhrer’s own murderous megalomania. He didn’t love Jews, he hated them.”

    Hey Fran Macadam!

    Re; the above screed.

    Brace yourself, for Wally is soon coming up Mississippi River & toting CODAH’s serious “Holocaust Revisionism” guns.

    Adolph Hitler had admiration * for the will of Germany’s powerful Elders of Zion rabbis & upper class Jewish associate aspirations to get a Palestine homeland.
    In response, Hitler’s National Socialist government promulgated the obscured Transfer Agreement. 🤔

    A fair question, Fran Macadam. Could it be that Hitler hated Jews’ crushing economic & cultural impact upon suffering Weimar Republic Germans, and simultaneously, he ended up loving upper class Jews who desired their own homeland?

    Thanks.

    * In Hannah Arendt’s book, “The Banality of Evil,” one can read how Elders of Zion maneuvered practically and helped Germany, at war, round up lesser Jews who were needed for labor in camps.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
    , @anarchyst
  424. Saggy says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    http://www.bitchute.com’s server IP address could not be found.

    The link is good …. so I googled server ip address could not be found ….
    https://blog.pcrisk.com/windows/12603-how-to-fix-server-dns-address-could-not-be-found-error

    Is this the problem?

  425. Issar says:
    @anarchyst

    Good summary of the known facts.

  426. Saggy says: • Website

    There is NOT ONE DOCUMENT outlining any extermination plan for jews or others. In fact, prominent Zionists collaborated with the German government and formulated plans at the highest level of the German government for the transfer of jews to what was then known as Palestine. Absolutely nothing about extermination.

    Deniers have a tendency to talk about what did not happen, but not what did. What did happen is that the Nazis kept meticulous records in the camps, at Auschwitz the records included a doctor signed death certificates for each prisoner that died, and monthly summaries now known as ‘death books’.

    The Soviets captured these records and immediately ‘disappeared’ them, so they were unknown to the world until 1989 when they were revealed to the world. You can read about them here …. http://auschwitz.org/en/museum/about-the-available-data/death-records/sterbebucher
    and they are now available….There are three points, 1 – there is extensive documentation of what went on in the camps, 2 – the documentation shows that there was no holocaust, and 3 – the allies hid the documents. The documents captured by the US/British were hidden at Bad Arolsen in Germany and were released to restricted access in Germany in 2013 – https://booksandideas.net/Opening-the-Nazi-archives-at-Bad.html

    So while the holocaust did not happen, discussing what did not happen is only part of the story. The holohoax, i.e. a systematic campaign of lies to convince the world that the holocaust is real, did happen, and it can be documented. The holocaust did not happen, the holohoax did happen and it is ongoing.

    • Agree: Carolyn Yeager
  427. turtle says:
    @Rich

    If something actually happened, there would be no reason to make it illegal to research and question.

    Agree.
    Fiat lux.
    There are no “eternally settled questions,” whether in science or in history.
    The possibility always exists that new data will come to light, and should be incorporated into the body of existing knowledge.
    Whether such new knowledge fundamentally changes previous orthodoxy, or not, is completely irrelevant to the spirit of free inquiry.
    Prohibiting free inquiry, and free discussion, is the path into darkness.
    Always has been, always will be.
    Can you say, “Middle Ages?”
    Dogma is the enemy of truth.

  428. @Wizard of Oz

    I actually enjoy your outrage, drivel and display of fear, tells me, its spot on.

    Could you please point me to a peace treaty between Germany and the allies?

    Do you dispute the enemy state clauses can be found in the present UN charter?

  429. @jack daniels

    Nothing personal but I believe that’s a terrible idea. The power of truth is that it is true. I don’t understand why any self-respecting person that desires, loves and pursues intellectual honesty would want to embrace emotional and intellectual slovenliness. That seems like the “devolving” of man and I believe we see we enough of that from those who love that state of affairs.

    Again, nothing personal.

  430. Wally says: • Website
    @Fran Macadam

    Yawn.
    – The point is that you and those like you are all talk.

    – You assume what has not, cannot be proven. It’s that simple.

    – You and those like you say that millions were murdered in gas chambers that were scientifically impossible.

    – You and those like you claim immense shootings into huge pits and that the alleged human remains from those alleged shootings and gassings exist in know locations, yet no such human remains exist.
    See comment #302 for examples, also see * below.

    You now claim 6M Jews and 6M others (we note how the numbers curiously always change) which of course equals 12,000,000, which is over 1 million more than the population of London.
    Your claim is tantamount to saying that all of London was murdered and the human remains just magically disappeared.

    *aerial of Babi Yar at exact time of the absurdly alleged shooting of 34,000 Jews:

    Nothing happening that would necessarily be happening IF the story was factual.

  431. Wally says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The ‘Hungarian Jews’ lie demolished here:

    The Deportation of Hungarian Jews from May to July 1944
    by Carlo Mattogno
    https://codoh.com/library/document/357/?lang=en
    Most of them were transferred OUT of Auschwitz, none were gassed, ever.
    and:
    http://juergen-graf.vho.org/articles/hungarian-holocaust-debate.html

    Juergen Graf : The Fate of Unregistered Auschwitz Inmates


    Video Link

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  432. prawda [AKA "prawda a nie klamstwa"] says:

    For some unknown reason the Judeo Bolshevik Zionists have decided to Censor and deleted some Youtube videos posted that I mentioned earlier NAZIS:

  433. Jester says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    Fillpip DID survive by breathing air through the keyhole. Santa Claus was on the other side blowing fresh air into his mouth !

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  434. Rurik says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Do I note a tone of sarcasm in your commentary or is it for real?

    I would NEVER!! stoop to sarcasm. Sarcasm is a sad device of the intellectually bereft, and only a fool or a scoundrel, (or most likely both!) would ever resort to such banal tactics.

    There were also the gruesome and deadly “medical” experiments Nazis carried out on concentration camp inmates..

    it is well documented that Mengele would use twins for genetic studies so he could tamper with Jew’s DNA and turn them into blue-eyed Aryans. The Nazis were obsessed with everyone having blue eyes.

    Here he sewed two perfectly healthy Jewish girls together in some sick joke to show off his surgical skills.

    Perhaps most bizarre of all, was the Nazi penchant for surgically sewing hands to legs and feet to arms. It has been speculated that this was an attempt to hobble the Jewish designs at global domination by forcing them to function at a disadvantage, since counting money with their toes would hamper them, and give the advantage to Aryans.

    >>><<<

    And the Nips were doing similar in occupied China.

    That stuff actually is true, and horrific.

    >>><<<

    But why are you angry with Palestinians and Iranians? They had nothing to do with this.

    Anti-Semitism is anti-Semitism

    whether you’re a neo-Nazi in Charlottesville chanting ‘the Jews will not replace us”, or a Jihad terrorists in Gaza or Iran, chanting ‘death to the ZUSA!’, it hardly matters.

    Anti-Semitism is still, anti-Semitism. Nazi, Palestinian, American white supremacist, Iranian, Iraqi, Russians like Putin- are the exact same thing.

    They’re all motivated by an irrational hatred of Jews.

    That’s the tie that binds, and that’s why you have Jidadis making common cause with the Alt-right Nazi wannabes in America’s backwaters and racist swamps in the South. Towel-heads and goose-stepping rednecks, what unlikely bedfellows, but there it is.

  435. Jester says:
    @Rurik

    Please answer the following questions:
    1. How much soap one can get from a 90 pound Joo ??
    2. How many resources have to be put into the process to get one cake ?
    3. If they were all burnt up how is the making of the soap possible
    4. If these Germans were hard core dudes why would they wash with a bar of Joo soap

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
    , @Jester
  436. @Wizard of Oz

    Here is how you go to Poland today.
    From Budapest you take a train to Bratislava.
    From Bratislava you go to Brno.
    From Brno you go to Ostrava.
    From Ostrava you go Krakow.
    If you want to from Prague to Poland you still have to go through Brno and Ostrava..
    The other way to go to Poland from Prague is through Germany proper.
    There is no connection from Zhilina to Poland, only to Koshice and Bratislava.

    You take your information from Wikipedia
    I did travel all those roads.
    It is you who does not have a clue.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  437. @turtle

    I understand. I was merely playing devil’s advocate to show that without “fleshing-out” an arguments propositions non-sequiturs won’t cut it as “facts” except as a figment of someone’s fertile imagination and no honest person is obligated to accept that.

  438. Rurik says:

    Well ‘Jester’,

    1. How much soap one can get from a 90 pound Joo ??

    So you actually believe this is a subject for mockery?!

    People were turned into soap, sir!

    The evidence is undeniable. It has even been mentioned in movies and TV! It was in newspapers! There were eyewitnesses!!!

    What kind of twisted mind could possibly find anything ‘humorous’ about Jews being processed into bars of soap? (and lampshades and shrunken heads!)

    So for God’s sake, please do take care to never again to diminish or demean the memory of the soap.

    • Replies: @jester
    , @Anonymous
  439. @Jester

    Please answer the following questions:
    1. How much soap one can get from a 90 pound Joo ??
    2. How many resources have to be put into the process to get one cake ?
    3. If they were all burnt up how is the making of the soap possible
    4. If these Germans were hard core dudes why would they wash with a bar of Joo soap

    Answers:
    1. Only one cake!
    2. Many, many resources!
    3. It is a miracle!
    4. Deep, deep inside they were Joo lovers!

    • LOL: ChuckOrloski
  440. @Rurik

    As far as being an anti-Semite I don’t see it’s any worse than being anti-whoever, and everyone is anti somebody. The Jews are generally anti-goy and extremely anti-Arab, so it’s only to be expected that those they hate should hate them in turn.

    And it gets more complicated when you see that many of the anti-Semitic crimes are perpetrated by the Jews themselves, like that kid from Israel impersonating an anti-Semite and threatening Jewish institutions in the US. Or when Israelis themselves cooperate with ISIS jihadis. Or the Jews backing the neo-Nazis in Ukraine.

    I agree if the Jews stopped hating on others and stopped meddling in everything from the media, through academia, judiciary, politics, banking, to foreign policy in countries where they are just a tiny minority, then I could condemn anti-Semitism. Until then no way.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Oemikitlob
  441. @Jester

    Prove that it was Santa and not the tooth fairy.

    I just wonder why occupied Germany paid more than 6 million “survivors” by now “reparations”? That’s an awful lot of “survivors” of an alleged industrial scale extermination campaign.

    Some official figures:

    (Jewish world Almanac)

    Jewish world population 1933: 15,315,859
    Jewish world population 1938: 15,748,091
    Jewish world population 1948: 15,753,638

    Jew population increase 1938-1948: 5547

    Jewish population in Germany 1938: 210,000

    [MORE]

  442. anarchyst says:
    @Commentator Mike

    European jews are NOT “semites”. It is laughable to observe European jews calling out those who disagree with their racist policies as “anti-semitic”, especially when they themselves are not “semites”…

  443. @ChuckOrloski

    Selah, regarding the non-tenured’s teaching of Holocaust & 9//11 history in the ZUS, “discretion is the better part of valor.”

    God bless America and God bless Freedom Fries too!

  444. MarkinLA says:

    A currently circulating WJC petition in Congress expresses concern over the rise in anti-Semitism,

    Jews really are tone deaf. They don’t see the connection between demanding that everybody put them at the top of the victims list, their continual demands for “reparations” by even those having nothing to do with the holocaust, and their attempts to destroy free speech rights resulting in people getting sick of them and the subsequent “rise in antisemitism”.

    • Replies: @Oemikitlob
  445. @Wally

    “…With their historical and technical arguments, the revisionists have demolished the “Holocaust” extermination and gas chamber legends. But their task is far from complete. Thus far, they have only partly succeeded in demonstrating what really did happen to Europe’s Jews during the Second World War…”

    “…Decisive progress in the investigation of the fate of Europe’s Jews during the Second World War, including reliable estimates of Jewish wartime losses, can be expected only after historians gain access to previously unknown documents from archives in eastern Europe and the former USSR. When I say “historians” I naturally mean the revisionists, because our opponents will not tackle this task…”

    Source : Jürgen Graf : Insights on the 1944 Deportations of Hungarian Jews. Conclusions. Journal of Historical Review. Vol 21 (2002), No 1.

    And that I am saying all the time. If the transported Jews were not exterminated, then what happened to them, especially those unable to work ? If they were billeted in labor camps (together with the members of their family unable to work), then where were those camps, where is the paper work that testifies to their transport and settlement? What happened to them after those labor camps were liberated? Where are the testimonies of those 400,000 Hungarian Jews who survived those labor camps supposedly due to humane treatment?

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
    , @Wally
    , @Wally
    , @Wally
  446. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    You really are preposterous. What are you trying to do on occasionally intelligent constructive comment threads? The rail connections today are *entirely* irrelevant.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  447. @Commentator Mike

    I don’t hate Jewish people, or anyone else for that matter, but I do hate some of the things they do. Especially when it comes to honesty and being called an anti-Semite and/or a racist when the claim is far from true.

    I believe there should be one set of rules for everybody, not one set for me and one set for others, whomever they may be. I believe anyone who wants different sets of rules for different groups are the real racists.

    I leave the reader to determine who they are.

  448. A note to Ron Unz re: Wally

    Ron Unz mentioned he was developing an algorithm to curtail Jeff Stryker’s anecdotal comments as apparently they don’t contribute much to the intellectual debate on this site. What about this Wally character? He just re-posts the same links and photos over and over again and hardly engages in any meaningful debate other than hurling insults at those who disagree with him. He’s using so much space with nothing new to add every time he posts something. Now surely Ron Unz could easily develop an algorithm that would identify any repeated links to the same websites or same photos by the same commenter and prevent him from posting. Or like three times same same and you’re out. Eh?

    I’m actually not bothered if Ron Unz doesn’t take any action, but I’m only bringing this up because of his intention to deal with Jeff Styker, who admittedly is a little repetitive, often repeating the same anecdotes, but Wally is even more repetitive and hardly engages in debate and discussion in a civilised manner, unlike Jeff who tends to be more courteous. Admittedly Jeff sometimes uses racial slurs but only in generalisations when referring to third persons and not directly to another commenter.

    So now it seems I’m asking for censorship of a Holocaust denier. Uh? So much for my advocacy of free speech, eh? I hope it doesn’t seem that way. I’m just comparing Wally’s and Stryker’s comments in view of Ron Unz’s intent to impose restrictions on Jeff. I’d then recommend either both or neither, but Jeff only wouldn’t be fair.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Troll: L.K
  449. @Germanicus

    What are you on about? Where have I referred to peace treaties? But, BTW, what do you make of the Versailles Treaty and also
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_on_the_Final_Settlement_with_Respect_to_Germany?wprov=sfla1 ?

    On second thoughts, don’t bother.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  450. @MarkinLA

    I’m not so sure it’s due to tone-deafness; I believe it’s part of the racist plan.

  451. @Rich

    You make such definite statements about Europe’s, or at least France’s anti free speech laws on the Holocaust that I wish to treat you as an authority who will substantiate claims such as yours that saying 5 million Jews died would make you subject to arrest – and conviction for somevcriminal offence. And, in particular, can you substantiate your claim that it is – in France or wherever – illegal to research the question of how many died.

    Your claims seem outrageous when I consider that one of Australia’s best And best respected radio presenters/interviewers referred to 4.5 to 6 million recently without even a token protest from those she was interviewing or any Jewish organisatiin.

  452. Ahoy says:

    Hi brother Chuck, yesirreebob “Kyrie Eleison”, and HE better come forth soon because it seems we are pushed into a corner.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  453. @Commentator Mike

    Thanks. I hope I can find it when next someone produces such non evidence as Wally’s photograph.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  454. @anarchyst

    I think I even quoted something you said once with approval or acceptance. Please don’t descend to the semi literate silliness of denying that “antisemitic” has long had a perfectly well established usage meaning anti-Jewish.

  455. @Wizard of Oz

    Wikipedia, seriously?

    Versailles was no peace treaty.

    “Final settlement” was no peace treaty, the “Federal Republic of Germany” is a private usurping criminal entity of the German nation state, registered in Washington DC as a business. Its “Basic Law” states that it is an “unified economic area” (GG 133).

    The German nation state that has been unorganized since the occupation of Germany and the execution of the last lawful German government. The Federal Republic of Germany is not the German nation state, but only a part of it, which is foreign administered and occupied.

    The impostors in Berlin are legally not allowed to enter any peace negotiations, see Protocol of “2+4”, which explicitly forbids any peace regulation.

  456. I’m agnostic about many details concerning “the holocaust”. But I’ll say this. I’m sympathetic to holocaust revisionism. As one who wishes harm on no one, I think revisionism, if true, is good news for everyone, including Jews. Also, people need to get it through their thick heads that revisionism does not equal denial.

    It’s kind of similar to how I look at the Sandy Hook tragedy. Now, I definitely believe that there was a massacre at that elementary school. But I would love for it to have been a big hoax and that in reality, all those people are alive today.

    Before anyone jumps down my throat, let me say that I’m not equating genuine, legitimate “holocaust” revisionism with the Sandy Hook hoaxism.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  457. SteveH says:
    @Rurik

    How did they manage to shrink the teeth on the “shrunken head”?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  458. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:

    Wally is completely brain dead. He produces stuff and thinks that his shit is true and everyone else is false. I mean a two year old can see thru is fake stuff.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  459. MarkinLA says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I don’t care one way or the other but you do realize that article was also devoid of any real proof. It made all sorts of assertions about what happened there before during and after the supposed photo that generates the controversy.

    There are no photos of the area before the 1961 landslide or anything that actually shows the supposed digging up of the bodies. There were speculations of Soviets covering things up but the proof was another article which probably is also full of apeculation and no proof.

    Isn’t that really the issue with the holocaust, that it is a long string of unsubstantiated assertions by both sides.

  460. @Commentator Mike

    Yes, I think Ron is being what the fashionably cod-Freudian jargonistas of yester year would have called “anal” (Feel free to prefer the write ups by Ernest Jones or Karl Abraham if you feel uneasy with the original old charlatan). If Jeff Stryker in amicably garrulous mode is too much to take there is already the Commenter to Ignore button though perhaps it can’t protect our host and editor in chief.

  461. Mulegino1 says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The claims about Babi Yar are prima facie absurd. There is no evidence whatsoever that thousands or over thirty thousand people were executed by the German forces in Kiev. None. Zero. A poem written in the 1960’s and laughable Soviet propaganda do not constitute physical evidence of anything.

    Aside from the fact that the Germans did not have the time or inclination for such a massive killing operation, it would have been a logistical impossibility merely to carry out the executions, much less destroy the human remains. The idea that these massive outdoor cremations (on tombstones yet) is utterly risible. There never was any physical evidence of such mass executions at Babi Yar ravine. The whole thing is a Soviet propaganda hoax. The “debunkers” cannot come up with any physical evidence to support their claim.

    The burden of proof is not upon those denying a ridiculous and unsustainable legend, but upon those claiming that it really happened. So show us the remains, or traces of remains of the upwards of thirty thousand victims. The “debunkers” of those who question ridiculous official narratives are put into play for a purpose, i.e., to provide fiduciary support to the “right thinking” proles whose suspicions are aroused by manifestly absurd claims which defy common sense, but who are unable to accept the fact that the powers that be that control the official narrative would lie to them. Just another articulation of the “big lie” employed so successfully by the ancestral enemies of truth.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  462. Mulegino1 says:
    @Commentator Mike

    So now it seems I’m asking for censorship of a Holocaust denier. Uh? So much for my advocacy of free speech, eh? I hope it doesn’t seem that way. I’m just comparing Wally’s and Stryker’s comments in view of Ron Unz’s intent to impose restrictions on Jeff. I’d then recommend either both or neither, but Jeff only wouldn’t be fair.

    Translation: “I want to censor Wally, because his exposure of the Holohoax is so effective. ”

    You see, the so called “deniers” work with facts, figures, logistics, authentic documents, and logic. From an epistemological perspective, the “deniers” have the believers beat in a rout. Therefore, the more militant believers resort to the censorious champions of the quite frankly absurd and impossible official narrative resort to silencing the “deniers” or what I would prefer to term those who deal with empirical and discreet facts.

  463. Corvinus says:

    The fact of the matter is that the Holocaust happened.

  464. Mulegino1 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The irony of the situation is not the argument about numbers or statistics, but the fact that France, the the so called revolutionary champion of “liberte” of expression should have such draconian laws regarding an event so rooted in pseudo-religious verbosity and utter nonsense. If anything, one would expect that the birthplace of “Le Grande Revolution” as well as “Liberte, Egalite, Fraternite” would welcome a challenge to such a lame sacred cow. This is not the case. “Liberte” extends only to those “Freres” who walk the fine line that pleases those small hatted “Freres” who have more “Egalite and Liberte” than the others. In other words, pure Gallic bullshit.

  465. @Pinche Perro

    Also, people need to get it through their thick heads that revisionism does not equal denial.

    I would think, the word revisionism has been weaponized.
    Revision is what drives invention, progress and basically human learning.

    Software development is impossible without revision, revision amounts to fixing mistakes or errors.
    A child does revision every day, all technical fields and research do revision constantly.
    Revision is somehow deemed evil if applied to history, but why? revision is something totally normal in human societies. No revision, no refinement of something.

    You can only deny something that actually took place or exists. “Denial” in the context of “holocaust” is also a weaponized word. Once could use denial, if the “holocaust” had been proven with physical evidence by the claiming side.

  466. FB says: • Website
    @Germanicus

    And you have just proved how lacking in education you are…

    A principle of folk logic is that one can’t prove a negative….

    But there is one big, fat problem with all this. Among professional logicians, guess how many think that you can’t prove a negative? That’s right: zero. Yes, Virginia, you can prove a negative, and it’s easy, too. For one thing, a real, actual law of logic is a negative, namely the law of non-contradiction.

    Please do not waste my time and instead read up on the subject…ignoramus…

    —THINKING TOOLS: YOU CAN PROVE A NEGATIVE

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  467. @FB

    Are you actually trying to say in a talmudic pilpul manner, that “innocent until proven guilty” is irrelevant to you? Good to know, but hardly a surprise. That’s what your idiotic gibberish actually says.
    You Jews postulate some nonsense, and you ask non Jews to disprove the nonsense, instead of you proving your nonsense to be true.

    Prove that the tooth fairy does not exist. I will make a law that punishes tooth fairy denial.

    • Replies: @FB
  468. @Ahoy

    Ahoy said: “Hi brother Chuck, yesirreebob “Kyrie Eleison”, and HE better come forth soon because it seems we are pushed into a corner.”

    My Brother Ahoy!

    Respectfully & in The Christ, it is them who are pushing themselves off a Gaderene cliff.

    Linked below, is the beautiful Hymn of Kassiabi The Nun which is sung each Holy Week during solenn services. Thanks & my respect. (Note, I most prefer this when it’s sung by a woman, along with a man intoning in the background)

  469. FB says: • Website
    @Germanicus

    Look idiot…I’m not Jewish…I was born into a very old protestant family…I have nothing to do with Judaism…but to dunces like yourself, anyone who refuses to hate all Jews must also be a Jew…

    As for proving a negative…that is part of the subject of formal logic…of which you obviously know nothing…have fun spreading your uneducated manure here on this thread…as you are wont to do…but simply realize that your ignorance of logic has been exposed and documented…

  470. @ChuckOrloski

    * In Hannah Arendt’s book, “The Banality of Evil,” one can read how Elders of Zion maneuvered practically and helped Germany, at war, round up lesser Jews who were needed for labor in camps.

    CO, I love it. Superb.

  471. @Germanicus

    Now you know why I ignore that one. Hopeless case.

  472. Robjil says:
    @Corvinus

    The fact of the matter is that the Seven Nations to Destroy Holocaust is happening now.
    What nation supports this more than any other? Israel. One would think if the Big 6 happened really happened to a people, then they would have empathy for the suffering of others. This is the root cause for all the skepticism.

    The Big 6 is never used for peace and empathy for humanity. It has been endlessly used in the past 7o or so years to shame, jail dissenters, belittle people, people losing their jobs, banning books, shutting down speech, an umbrella for big Jews to do bad things with no outcry, an umbrella to hide every bad thing that Jewish culture done in its history, etc. Its main use is an umbrella to hide criminal activities of Jewish criminals. Take the umbrella down. Like Reagan said Take the wall down.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  473. @Commentator Mike

    Oh, cut it out. And try countering Wally’s points with valid points of your own instead of calling upon “daddy” to come to your rescue. If everyone who annoys us were “canned,” there would be no comment thread at all. At least Wally offers substance with regard to refuting “the”
    holocaust.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  474. @FB

    There is no logic trying to disprove something that did not happen or does not exist.
    If you claim the “holocaust” happened, you got to prove it with physical evidence. It is not my task to disprove your postulate/theory (absurd postulate in this case), because I know its nonsense.

    I am awaiting you attempt to disprove the tooth fairy.

    There are tons of witnesses who testify that they saw the tooth fairy. There are even movies with the tooth fairy.
    As a matter of fact, the tooth fairy exists, and if you doubt that, I will put you in prison.

  475. @Fran Taubman

    Wally is completely brain dead. He produces stuff and thinks that his shit is true and everyone else is false. I mean a two year old can see thru is fake stuff.

    “Jealousy is the tribute mediocrity pays to genius.”

    -Archbishop Sheen

    I doubt you’ll get the point, but there it is, anyway. 🙂

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  476. @FB

    I was born into a very old protestant family…

    Well, maybe you “converted.” In any case, no matter what you were born into or degenerated into, you certainly don’t express yourself as a Christian would, or should. Your obvious frustration with Germanicus’ points is pretty hilarious, though!

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @FB
  477. @Wizard of Oz

    I do totally and absolutely agree with you. Facts are irrelevant in intelligent discussions.
    Particularly facts that prove certain impossibilities of conclusions of intelligent discussion.
    I do get it implicitly now. Moving half a millions of Jews from Hungary to Treblinka= no problem.
    ……………………………………………………………………
    BTW Zhukov was already in half way in Hungary when Archers deposed Horthy and his Jewish wife
    and started to collect half a million Jews.
    But no problem there was enough time to do it and there was no problem with transportation.
    I got it.

  478. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @Daniel Rich

    No the laws of physical molecules taking up physical space as witness are the first rule of physics. I was there and I saw, therefore it happened.
    I mean are you serious. Someone saying that Babi Yarr never took place.
    Here is a non Jewish truck driver, called a witness. There was a placement in the paper telling Jews to meet at a spot. There are survivors.
    What law of physics to you go by your imagination.
    According to the testimony of a truck driver named Hofer, victims were ordered to undress and were beaten if they resisted:

    I watched what happened when the Jews—men, women and children—arrived. The Ukrainians[b] led them past a number of different places where one after the other they had to give up their luggage, then their coats, shoes and over-garments and also underwear. They also had to leave their valuables in a designated place. There was a special pile for each article of clothing. It all happened very quickly and anyone who hesitated was kicked or pushed by the Ukrainians [sic][b] to keep them moving.

    — Michael Berenbaum: “Statement of Truck-Driver Hofer describing the murder of Jews at Babi Yar”[25]

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
    , @Wally
  479. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    Yeah when I think of profound I think of you Mr. Mien Kampf himself. Need a little brush up reading. What a lonely life you must lead. “Oh got to go read my Mien Kampf so I am relevant again”.
    What an intellectual powerhouse.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  480. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @Mulegino1

    All Yids[a] of the city of Kiev and its vicinity must appear on Monday, September 29, by 8 o’clock in the morning at the corner of Mel’nikova and Dokterivskaya streets (near the Viis’kove cemetery). Bring documents, money and valuables, and also warm clothing, linen, etc. Any Yids[a] who do not follow this order and are found elsewhere will be shot. Any civilians who enter the dwellings left by Yids[a] and appropriate the things in them will be shot.
    — Order posted in Kiev in Russian, Ukrainian, and German on or around 26 September 1941.[15]

    I watched what happened when the Jews—men, women and children—arrived. The Ukrainians[b] led them past a number of different places where one after the other they had to give up their luggage, then their coats, shoes and over-garments and also underwear. They also had to leave their valuables in a designated place. There was a special pile for each article of clothing. It all happened very quickly and anyone who hesitated was kicked or pushed by the Ukrainians [sic][b] to keep them moving.
    — Michael Berenbaum: “Statement of Truck-Driver Hofer describing the murder of Jews at Babi Yar”[25]

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @Wally
    , @annamaria
  481. @Jacques Sheete

    It is just so sad, one has to lower the intellectual level so much, and one has to break it down to such absurd counter example as the tooth fairy so their childish mind gets it.

    Why would Wally constantly write all the stuff anew? There is absolutely nothing he hasn’t heard by the claiming side, and gave a proper factual rebuttal. Its fine he just posts links.
    He has been there done that, so did I and many others.

  482. Ahoy says:

    @ ChuckOrloski

    Chuck said “Respectfully and in The Christ, it is them who are pushing themselves off a Gaderene cliff”. My sincere thanks for the clarification.

    You touched a sensitive chord with tha Hymn of Kassiani.

    Stay strong brother Chuck, you are a true soldier of Christ.

  483. FB says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Well here we go again…a good and necessary article by Mr Giraldi sets off the moon howlers here that want to pretend that one of the most barbaric [and most thoroughly documented] genocides in the history of humanity never actually happened…

    Let’s start with the story of the unfortunate school principal…Dr Latson…first off, I sympathize with the man because I’m sure he meant no harm…he was perhaps somewhat irritated at the school board pushing ever more Holocaust ‘education’ down his school’s throat…add in an annoying parent that thinks a principal in charge of hundreds of students has nothing better to do than be bombarded with emails…

    That said…his written reply about ‘believing’ in the Holocaust was incredibly dumb…any public figure…god forbid an educator…that questions the sacred dogma of the Holocaust narrative is simply toast in the USA of 2019…

    Now as for Norman Finkelstein…he is a thorough and careful academic who has done an important service…the thorough exposure of the exploitation of the Jewish genocide…now before we go further we must note that Finkelstein is NOT denying the genocide took place…he is in fact a child of parents that each lost all of their respective family in the genocide…

    What he is saying is that the subject should be open to serious academic inquiry…not treated like a holy totem…the other part of the Holocaust ‘industry’ is its misuse for the justification of the criminal acts of Israel…which are possible only due to fanatical US support…

    In this respect Mr Giraldi’s writing is very much needed…the US has become a totalitarian society with the unscrupulous exploitation of the Jewish genocide…and the unconstitutional actions that have followed…

    Of course, this doesn’t mean there was no genocide…there most certainly was…and it was in fact the most depraved occurrence of human barbarity, perhaps unmatched in history…all of this was discovered firsthand by liberating Russian and Allied troops…to now 80 years after the fact sit here and fart nonsense that has zero basis in any historical fact…is in fact quite pathetic…

    Also pathetic is that these losers worship one homosexual nutbar named Adolf Hitler…who proved what a loser he was by choosing to blow his silly brains out…instead of leading his troops to an honorable surrender as von Paulus did at Stalingrad…

    I have often made the point that Hitler was a curse for Germany…a worse leader would not have been possible…it was as if he was planted to lead Germany to destruction…

    Greg Hallet’s 2006 book Hitler Was a British Agent documents the fact that Hitler spent a year in Britain [1912-13]…which is documented in his sister-in-law’s biography…Gallery says that year in Britain was spent getting indoctrinated at the British psy-ops war school at Tavistock…

    Hallett’s theory explains why Hitler, supposedly the arch enemy of Jewish bankers, acted like he didn’t know the Rothschilds controlled
    England and America, when this was common knowledge.

    If Hitler had been for real, he would have plucked out the Rothschild’s heart, the City of London before taking on Russia.

    Eminently logical…as filled in here by Henry Makow…

    But back to the Jewish genocide…it’s abundantly clear that the Nazi leadership were clinical psychopaths…psychiatry tells us that about three to five percent of the general population are sociopaths…so there was plenty of ‘material’ to choose from to fill the ranks of the Schutzstaffel…

    Here is Rheinhard Heydrich…does he look normal to you…?

    What about ‘deputy fuhrer Rudolf Hess…?

    The fact is these dirtbags murdered millions of children, women, old folks and everyone in between…many of them Jewish but millions more Russian, Czech and Polish…among others…

    Europe was a civilized land in those days…arguably much more so than today…to even think of rounding up hundreds of thousands of citizens…including children…putting them on trains…often packed into cattle cars…and shipping them off to Poland and other sites is simply inexcusable in any kind of way that is comprehensible to a normal human…

    These monsters of history were thankfully destroyed…and part of the value of keeping the memory of the Jewish genocide alive is to keep humanity from ever going down that road again…

    Does that mean that everything about the Holocaust narrative is exactly true…no it does not…for instance Elie Wiesel was an obvious fraud…it is disheartening that his ‘books’ are forced down our children’s throats…

    But it doesn’t change the monstrous nature of the Nazis and their barbarism…

  484. @Anonymous

    Don’t those same adjectives describe American blacks as well?

  485. @FB

    Well here we go again…a good and necessary article by Mr Giraldi sets off the moon howlers here that want to pretend that one of the most barbaric [and most thoroughly documented] genocides in the history of humanity never actually happened…

    You are a liar.
    Raul Hilberg conceded under oath in Toronto that there is no documentation whatsoever that proves an extermination policy. He was by his own words, documented by the court, “at a miss” providing documentation. I know, very inconvenient and embarrassing for you guys.
    Hilberg is your primary “expert”, THE “authority” on “holocaust”.

    What about your logic trying to disprove the tooth fairy?

    • LOL: FB
  486. Zumbuddi says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    What happened to Europe’s Jews?

    Easy.

    They WERE turned into soap.

    Ivory Soap
    99 44/100% Pure.
    It Floats!

    6 million Jews just floated away.

    But seriously Folks —
    Perhaps to recover those Jews who are lost in space, a Resolution in US Congress would unite US & Israel in weaponization of Space and cyber.

    TruNews / Rick Wiles explored the story yesterday, Jul 17 2019.

    Check his website.

    This is a truly frightening development.

  487. anarchyst says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    It was zionist leaders who proposed that jews be required to wear the yellow “star of david”. This was a part of the process to make life “uncomfortable” for German jews…and to encourage emigration to what was then known as Palestine…

  488. @Fran Macadam

    I take it you were just bored.

    Laugh

  489. Corvinus says:
    @Robjil

    “The fact of the matter is that the Seven Nations to Destroy Holocaust is happening now.”

    Do you enjoy your red herring with Grey Poupon?

    Again, the Holocaust occurred. Hate fact, but a fact nonetheless.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Poco
  490. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Good ‘ol post-modernism creeping into our discussion. There is such a thing as truth as is there the opposite called a lie. Denigrating many fine authors on their Shoah works is certainly not the answer to the eternal question.

  491. Robjil says:
    @Corvinus

    The “Never Again Listen to Jewish Zionist Advisors Act” needs to be passed to prevent any such things you say happened or is happening.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  492. Rurik says:
    @SteveH

    How did they manage to shrink the teeth on the “shrunken head”?

    the Nazis were notoriously diabolically clever.

    with all those extracted teeth, they probably just used smaller ones, but I really have no idea how the Nazis accomplished so many of their nefarious tricks.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  493. @Fran Taubman

    they just used open pits outside, and the ashes flew away

    My mother was professionally cremated and the residual clinker triturated to approximately the fineness of concrete sand by a specialist machine. Weighed 7lb. (she was 5’4″). Don’t worry, she was definitely dead at the time.

    We took the tub to her favourite mountain from her climbing days and wrecked the delicate acid upland habitat by chucking the stuff all over.
    Plenty windy up there, and I can assure you the lime-grit just does not “fly away”. It behaves like, well, grit, and falls right back down even if you lob handfuls as far up as you can, even in a stiff breeze.

    If the nazis had any sense they would have milled the stuff into mortar-grade lime powder and slaked it. Hide the 6 trillion by making the Normandy beach defences or something like that out of them. After all, they were short of most things, and cement-roasting uses a good deal of fuel.

  494. @FB

    Yes there was genocide of Jews. But Jews presentation as well as your presentation is that it was intentional committed by psychopaths is false. The genocide was unintentional and was forced on by circumstances caused by Allies and war,
    I will prove it to you.
    I do have a factual book totally dedicated to history of concentration camps, but I still cannot find it.

  495. @FB

    So if “the holocaust” is thoroughly documented, why do all the documents show that it never happened?

    All of the German camp documents were stored at Bad Aralson since the end of the war. The Red Cross/ITS was the agency charged with controlling these records at Bad Aralson.

    In 1985, 40 years after the war, Dr Charles Beiderman was the head of the Red Cross/ITS, Beiderman was called to testify at the Zundel trial for the prosecution. Beiderman testified that QUOTE as of December 31, 1983, the total number of deaths registered with the Special Registry Office and various other registry offices was 373,468. END QUOTE

    So where are these fantasy documents you claim exist? And why couldn’t your side produce them at the Zundel trial, or the Irving v Lipstadt trial?

    • Replies: @FB
  496. @Rurik

    the Nazis were notoriously diabolically clever.

    Why don’t you disclose the ultra secret shrinking ray gun?
    The evil Brainiac, Superman’s arch enemy gave it to the Germans.

  497. @Jacques Sheete

    OK, Jaques,

    Here’s a brand new science paper, hot off the presses so to speak, for you and Wally to ponder. I haven’t read it yet in detail but it must have passed peer review by referees and all that. The paper even presents time series data of the kills. RU may want to look at this paper too as he’s got this high regard for high quality academic works . The references at the bottom of the paper may also be useful to those interested in the research, as well as those mentioned in the right hand side bar.

    Quantifying the Holocaust: Hyperintense kill rates during the Nazi genocide, Lewi Stone, Sci Adv. 2019 Jan; 5(1)

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6314819/

  498. @FB

    Greg Hallet’s 2006 book Hitler Was a British Agent documents the fact that Hitler spent a year in Britain [1912-13]…which is documented in his sister-in-law’s biography…Gallery says that year in Britain was spent getting indoctrinated at the British psy-ops war school at Tavistock…

    Hitler didn’t have a sister-in-law, since he didn’t have a brother. He also was never in Britain, no matter what some fake book says, and that can be documented!

    Hallett’s theory explains why Hitler, supposedly the arch enemy of Jewish bankers, acted like he didn’t know the Rothschilds controlled England and America, when this was common knowledge.

    Is this a cover blurb on the book? If so, the publisher admits it’s a theory in order to avoid being sued for false advertising.
    Oh, it’s Henry Makow. He’s protecting himself and admits it’s a “theory,” not a fact.

    • Replies: @FB
  499. @Commentator Mike

    This looks like the “man made global warming” diagrams from NASA, just adapted to “holocaust”.

    The entire “peer review” is corrupt, its incestuous, not only with historic topics.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  500. FB says: • Website
    @Genrick Yagoda

    Look…Zundel was convicted and sent to jail…so those particular minutiae that you mention probably amount to the square root of fuck all…

    Zundel was also a UFOlogist and published extensively on that subject…

    Like I said the liberating Russian and Allied troops DOCUMENTED extremely thoroughly what they found in the death camps…

    Please do not waste my time with nonsense…

  501. Rich says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Yes, it’s freaking insane. They actually forbid free speech and intellectual inquiry, while even the disarmed Australians still, at least, allow that. I agree that it’s crazy. If you have any questions, you’re a big boy, Google it.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  502. FB says: • Website
    @Carolyn Yeager

    Bridget Elizabeth Hitler, née Dowling…

    …was Adolf Hitler’s sister-in-law via her marriage to Alois Hitler Jr. She was the mother of Alois Hitler’s son William Patrick Hitler. She was born and raised in Dublin, Ireland.

    Alois Hitler Jr. (né Matzelsberger) (1882–1956), elder half-brother

    —Hitler Family Members…

  503. @FB

    Like I said the liberating Russian and Allied troops DOCUMENTED extremely thoroughly what they found in the death camps…

    You mean like Alfred Hitchcock, who did some filming of dead Germans being bulldozed in a mass grave?
    You are nuts man, the occupying forces, terrorist forces, were free to do whatever they wanted in a disarmed Germany. They killed more Germans “after” the war than Germany lost during the entire war, 12 million starved to death from 1945-1948.
    Liar Hitchcock was actively involved in fakery with Eisenhower’s death camps at the Rhine meadows, he filmed dead civilians and dead German pow and claimed it had been Jews.

    @Wally

    Do you recall the name of the US pathologist, the only one in Europe, who inspected the alleged death camps? He concluded that no gassings took place. Was it Larsson, Lawson or so?

  504. Robjil says:

    This “study” is so bogus. It mentions gas chambers as being used. Gas chambers are an impossibility. Weak wood doors on the shower rooms do not hold in gas.

    It has no real data. It says that German trains were so efficient and running so good. How can German trains be running so wonderfully when the US and Britain were bombing all of Central Europe? Great, fast trains of the National Socialists is the only data in this whole “study”.

    A good counter to this “great” smooth train system. Why could not the 14 million Germans who were forced to flee their homelands in Eastern Germany, Czechoslovakia, Romania, and Hungary after the war use these wonderful smooth riding trains.

    http://tapnewswire.com/2017/01/the-expulsion-of-the-germans-the-largest-forced-migration-in-history/

    “Forced marches in which inhabitants of entire villages were cleared at fifteen minutes’ notice and driven at rifle-point to the nearest border, accounted for many losses. So did train transports that sometimes took weeks to reach their destination, with up to 80 expellees crammed into each cattle car without adequate (or, occasionally, any) food, water or heating.

    The deaths continued on arrival in Germany itself. Declared ineligible by the Allied authorities to receive any form of international relief and lacking accommodation in a country devastated by bombing, expellees in many cases spent their first months or years living rough in fields, goods wagons or railway platforms.”

    This does not stand up to the great train system that this “study” touts. The Allies were bombing all over Central Europe. The train system could not have been as good as imagined in this “study”.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  505. FB says: • Website
    @Jacques Sheete

    Your obvious frustration with Germanicus’ points is pretty hilarious, though!

    Yes…I see your point…

  506. Rurik says:

    disclose the ultra secret shrinking ray gun?

    are you trying be flippant in a discussion about the Holy Holocaust?!

    This is an OUTRAGE!!!

    We’re talking about the most evil crime ever committed against god himself!

    This is not simply saying Jehovah out of turn,

    This was nothing less than an attempt on the life of god himself!

    Are not the Jews the chosen people of god?!

    Are not the Jews a divine race among filthy mortals– put here by god to serve the Jews?!

    And yet how do these goyim ingrates show their willingness to serve as slaves to the Jews?

    they build gas chambers! and make soap! out of god’s people! That’s how!

    And now you want to mock this crime of Biblical enormity, and poke fun and ridicule!

    This is disruption sir! This is apostasy!

    The Holy Holocaust is something you bow down to, and beg forgiveness for with every filthy fiber of a goyim’s worthless and non-existent soul!

    Not something to be mocked and sniggered at.

    Watch yourself, Germanicus, god is watching, and he’s not amused.

  507. Truth3 says:
    @FB

    Waste your time?

    ??? WTF.

    Paid by the word must be… shekels.

  508. @Rurik

    Watch yourself, Germanicus, god is watching, and he’s not amused.

    Oh my, I had no idea.
    But Brainiac gave the shrinking gun to Hitler himself! It was well documented by Superman.

    I just saw Brainiac on the jewish “Krypton” series, he is still around, and all those “El”(ohim), superman’s family hate him, because he wants to shrink them all, he plans a shrinkocide.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  509. @anarchyst

    It was zionist leaders who proposed that jews be required to wear the yellow “star of david”. This was a part of the process to make life “uncomfortable” for German jews…and to encourage emigration to what was then known as Palestine…

    Worse yet, those evil Nazis even forced Max Baer to where a huge Star of David on his trunks during that fight with James Braddock.

  510. Mulegino1 says:
    @Commentator Mike

    This graph is not based on original scientific research or existing physical evidence but upon sources (such as Hilberg) which have already been falsified.

    The source documents:

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    Nothing here is original or scientific, or provides any physical or authentic documentary evidence of a mass murder program.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  511. @Anonymous

    I grew up in Memphis which had a somewhat large Jewish population, including the largest Orthodox congregation in the US. In Memphis then, the fifties and sixties, you were either white or black and Jews were white. I don’t recall much anti-semitism in talk or action. Most venom was directed at black people, not Jews. I even had a Jewish friend who was a George Wallace supporter.

  512. @FB

    Now you speak total nonsense. There is no Hitler but Hitler. (Like Muslims are saying)
    Here are the facts.
    Hitler was born to unwed mother Called Shicklegruber.
    In the birth certificate under father column was written Unknown.
    Hitler did carry the family name Shiclegruber until sixth grade of schooling.
    At that year his mother did marry Czech financ (border guard) By family name Alois Hidlerchuck.
    He become stepfather of Hitler and he adopted young Adolph.
    Hitler was known under Adolph Hidlerchuck until his Wiena Years.
    There he went to registry and changed his family name to Hitler.
    Hitler is invented name so there is no family tree of Hitlers.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @Truth3
    , @FB
  513. Rich says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I really hope you’re wrong. Ron Unz has been one of the best advocates of free speech left on the net, hope he isn’t caving in to those disturbed by views different than their own, people who are physically, and mentally incapable of scrolling past views they just can’t handle.

    Often I don’t agree with Jeff Stryker, but he has a unique and interesting point of view. Wally has introduced us to a very interesting point of view, backed up by evidence and logic. To those raised and indoctrinated into the faith of the “holocaust”, his questioning may be painful, but you have to give the man his due. Prove him wrong, ignore him,but don’t censor him. It would be a real shame if Mr Unz falls into the trap so many others already have. I hope you’re wrong.

  514. Rurik says:
    @Germanicus

    just saw Brainiac on the jewish “Krypton” series

  515. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    PS
    And Hitler did not have any brothers or sisters. He had only one stepsister Paula Hidlerchuck and I do not think that she did change her name to Paula Hitler.
    She eventually did emigrate to England.

  516. @Mulegino1

    How can anyone claim with straight face something is peer reviewed, if any contrary evidence is being criminalized? It is intellectually highly dishonest, I dare to say criminal and fraudulent. Honest peer review would naturally arrive at revision.

    The reviewers all affirm the official dogma protected by a unique law. Doubters are sent to prison, fired from the job, etc

    • Replies: @Anon
  517. Truth3 says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Wrong.

    Totally wrong.

    Outrageously wrong.

    You confuse AH with his Father.

  518. @Germanicus

    There can always be discrepancies between different studies but I think honest scientists try to make the best use of the data that they have. Damn I thought this looks impressive when I saw it. Maybe just science advancing.

    An interesting point is that the graphs show that most of the kills took place earlier on and not towards the end of the war when there would have been shortages of food and medicines as the deniers who put the blame on the dire circumstances at war’s end would have us believe.

    It’s also interesting to look at the papers on the extermination of the mentally ill, especially the Jewish mental patients. I can understand terminating murderous psychopaths as a precaution but surely killing other mental patients would have been unnecessary as they wouldn’t have been capable of causing any problems to the Nazi regime in Germany or the occupying forces in other countries, especially when they were locked up in asylums. But they were of no use to exploit as slave labour. The evidence strongly suggests that there was a programme of deliberate murder. Whether to the extent these studies suggest or whether they exaggerate the numbers I don’t know, but I doubt that it was all made up.

    As far as anecdotal evidence goes, I trust the words of Savitri Davi, a convicted post-war Nazi sympathiser, who in her book “Defiance” mentions that she met a convicted Nazi woman, a former lay Christian sister, in jail who told her that she murdered a whole bunch of children born to compulsory foreign labourers that she was charged to look after in a children’s home established on the factory premises of the motor car Volkswagen Werke company. Of course Savitri was quite delighted to hear this while the guilty woman was quite upset and justified it as mercy killing. Another Nazi woman in jail told her explicitly that it was the SS men that did the gassing in Auschwitz and not the women staff, which disappointed Savitri who said that she would have been happy to have done the gassing of the Jews herself. I read somewhere that later in life Devi became a Holocaust denier, but I don’t have a reference for that or how reliable that statement may be, but judging from that book she seems to have believed the stories that she heard first hand from other incarcerated Nazis. However, she was able to meet only very few convicted Nazi women and no men during her time in jail, but then you can guess how many more such stories there would have been involving other inmates throughout the German post war prison system who had participated in such or similar events.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @ChuckOrloski
  519. FB says: • Website
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Look Crazy Lady…the story you just recited is WRONG…

    That’s the story of Hitler’s father…Alois Hitler Sr…

    Hitler’s father Alois Hitler Sr. (1837–1903) was the illegitimate child of Maria Anna Schicklgruber.[4]

    The baptismal register did not show the name of his father, and Alois initially bore his mother’s surname Schicklgruber.

    In 1842, Johann Georg Hiedler married Alois’s mother Maria Anna. Alois was brought up in the family of Hiedler’s brother, Johann Nepomuk Hiedler.[5]

    In 1876, Alois was legitimated and the baptismal register changed by a priest to register Johann Georg Hiedler as Alois’s father (recorded as “Georg Hitler”).[6][7]

    Alois then assumed the surname “Hitler”,[7] also spelled Hiedler, Hüttler, or Huettler. The name is probably based on “one who lives in a hut” (German Hütte for “hut”).[8]

  520. @Commentator Mike

    Kr(Holocaust)=[# killed in 100 days]/100days=14,700 murders per day=445,700 murders per monthhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6314819/

    Disposal of bodies at this rate is a mathematical impossibility. Nazis did not have this capability. When considering the proposed daily kill rate in unison with massive requirements for removal and cremation, the entire narrative breaks apart.

    One other thing. It is very interesting that Stone from Tel Aviv University has an available forum for his work on U.S. government websites at the US National Library of Medicine, National Institutes of Health, and National Center for Biotechnology Information.

    More experts making a mockery of the real dead from WW2.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Commentator Mike
  521. @anarchyst

    Am anxious for Phil Giraldi’s next article & ideally turn-the-page on “Teaching the Holocaust,” 🤫 and I am very glad how (& with clarity), anarchyst wrote this:
    “It was zionist leaders who proposed that jews be required to wear the yellow “star of david”. This was a part of the process to make life “uncomfortable” for German jews…and to encourage emigration to what was then known as Palestine…” 👍,
    because I cannot take much more of FB’s Mr. Know-It-All Act, talking down to people, & calling them hokey names. (💤igh)

    Given a choice, I would prefer more of Wally’s release of the Trump administration’s “Goof Gas” * which knocks partisan supporters silly & inclines them to endlessly repeat Trump’s “many accomplishments.” Haha. Would even forbear an hour of Corvinus & Fran Taubman’s Dancing With The (Yellow) Stars.🙄

    Thanks & my respect, anarchyst!

    * In The Rocky & Bullwinkle Cartoon Show, commie “evildoer” characters, Boris & Natasha, had access to WMD, “Goof Gas,” which could be sprayed in “Moose’s face, and den, poof you’se a goof!”

  522. MarkinLA says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You do realize that none of this is real proof, don’t you?

  523. FB says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    …the words of Savitri Davi, a convicted post-war Nazi sympathiser, who in her book “Defiance” mentions that she met a convicted Nazi woman, a former lay Christian sister, in jail who told her that she murdered a whole bunch of children born to compulsory foreign labourers that she was charged to look after in a children’s home established on the factory premises of the motor car Volkswagen Werke company.

    Thanks for that story…and some of the many other very good materials you have presented…

    To murder a child…never mind a bunch of children, is simply pure evil…these kinds of deranged and sadistic episodes played out many thousands of times during the reign of terror of the Nazi scum…

  524. MarkinLA says:
    @Rurik

    Are not the Jews the chosen people of god?!

    Is Hitler’s “Master Race” just another version of “Chosen People”?

    • Replies: @Theodore
    , @Rurik
  525. Anon[384] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jon Baptist

    Don’t confuse the Jews and their prostitutes with math. They dislike it.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Commentator Mike
  526. Anon[384] • Disclaimer says:
    @Germanicus

    How can anyone claim with straight face something is peer reviewed, if any contrary evidence is being criminalized?

    Don’t confuse Jews and their prostitutes by citing normative academic standards. They dislike them.

  527. Wally says:
    @Commentator Mike

    – Please show us the alleged “Fuehrer order”.

    – Then show us the millions upon millions of human remains that are claimed to exist in known places.

    – Why have you dodged what I posted in comment #302?

    http://www.codoh.com

  528. Theodore says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Just to let everyone know, this “study” has been debunked on the CODOH forum

    New study: 1.7 million jews killed in “hyperintense” 100-day “pulse of death” killing spree
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12193

    In fact, that alleged order to “speed up” was not referring to mass murder, but resettlement.

    More documents showing that every instance of ‘Final Solution’ to the Jewish question was in reference to resettlement/deportation, not mass murder:

    War-time German documents & writings mentioning the “Final Solution”
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12296

  529. @Robjil

    You find the dates during 1942 when US and UK were bombing railway lines in Eastern Europe and report them. Yes there was some bombing of Germany but not much further. Most of the heavy bombing campaign came later and mainly targeted the oil facilities in Ploiesti, Romania. As you can see the graph claims most of the Holocaust killings were done during 1942.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  530. @FB

    What sort of a low information commentator would claim that a witness called BY THE PROSECUTION had anything to do with Zundel?

    Are you really this weak-minded?

    I’ll type that agains. Dr Charles Beiderman was called BY THE PROSECUTION!

    That is referred to as an admission against interest, and it is the most powerful evidence available in a court room.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  531. Theodore says:
    @Wally

    – Please show us the alleged “Fuehrer order”.

    It is referring to Gerstein’s 15 August 1942 report.

    Read more:
    New study: 1.7 million jews killed in “hyperintense” 100-day “pulse of death” killing spree
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12193

    Arad’s intellectual dishonesty – the smoking gun
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4447

  532. Wally says:
    @Commentator Mike

    LOL. Projection deluxe.

    – That is classic bullshit from someone who is having his head handed to him.

    – You and anyone else can notice that I respond to the impossible claims by you and other Zionists at this site.

    The fact is that you and those like you keep trotting out the same old repetitious & utterly debunked nonsense, but somehow my demolitions of that truly repetitious & juvenile crap is labeled “even more repetitive”.

    – And to boot, you completely dodge most of what I post. Why?
    Because my information absolutely refutes your “holocaust” fantasies and you are left sucking your thumb, that’s why.

    – Don’t give us your whiny silliness, you ARE definitely calling for censorship because you and your fake “holocaust” scam are being exposed as ridiculous.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  533. Theodore says:
    @MarkinLA

    Is Hitler’s “Master Race” just another version of “Chosen People”?

    Hitler never used the term “Master Race”

    “Master Race” / Herrenrasse / Herrenvolk – a deliberate mistranslation
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12400

    Also:
    ANTONIO MACHADO ON THE (so-called) “MASTER RACE”
    http://www.cwporter.com/machado.htm

    “Pueblo de Señores” does not mean “Master Race”. Neither does “Herrenvolk”. That is the point.
    Both terms are examples of the patriotic, egalitarian jargon common to all political systems, nothing more.

    Another perfectly correct (and highly plausible) translation of “Herrenvolk” into Spanish would be “Pueblo de Caballeros”.
    “Herren” on a door means exactly the same thing in German as “Señores” or “Caballeros” in Spanish: it means “Men” or Gentlemen” (usually, men’s toilet).
    A certain degree of “Ritterlichkeit”or chivalry is inherent in the concept of “Herr”; a “caballero” is a gentleman or knight.
    A “knight errant” in Spanish is a “caballero errante”: Don Quijote!

  534. Corvinus says:
    @Robjil

    “The “Never Again Listen to Jewish Zionist Advisors Act” needs to be passed to prevent any such things you say happened or is happening.”

    Doubling down, I see. No such act exists, nor will it ever pass. Free speech and all.

    Again, the Holocaust happened.

  535. Theodore says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I tried to find that article in the Jerusalem Post. I saw the book, but could not find the article.

    You will have to ask them for it. Here is a scan:

    https://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=2167

    I have listened to a lot of testimony sounds pretty reasonable to me. The way the transports worked the separations at the train station. The building with the somoke stack. The SS telling the people going to the gas building to take off their clothes and that jobs would await for them after showers, and that the people never came out.

    Something can sound reasonable but also be totally false. There is absolutely no question that some jews lied about gas chambers. Moshe Peer claims he was gassed 6 times at Bergen Belsen. Today, historians universally agree that nobody was gassed at Bergen Belsen. Your position is “Only SOME Jews who claimed they witnessed gassings lied about it”

    Claude Lanzman in his movie ShoA did secret recordings where Germans talked about the trains and transports, and knowing what was going on. Also the gassing vans at Chelmmo.

    Who was recorded? Please show these supposed secret recordings.

    There is a vast amount of information from Jews and Germans. The Nuremberg trials.

    As I pointed out, the vast majority of eyewitness testimony (over 95% at, say, Auschwitz) does not mention homicidal gassings.
    Nobody denies that Jews were rounded up and put in camps.

    You cannot possible deny this part of history and be normal.

    Correction: You cannot possibly deny the “Holocaust” in most of Europe and not be arrested.

    In many countries, “Holocaust denial” is quite normal and common.

    27% of Mexicans believe the ‘Holocaust’ is a myth or exaggerated: https://archive.is/B4JRh#selection-681.147-681.212

    63% of Arabs think the ‘Holocaust’ is a myth or exaggerated: https://archive.is/8xab3#selection-4023.315-4023.429

    Most survivors did not witness the actual gassing and crematorium they were sent to the work barracks.

    And nobody denies cremation. But actually there is no physical evidence for homicidal gassings.

    Germar Rudolf proved using chemical analysis of the alleged homicidal gas chamber walls at Auschwitz that nobody was gassed there

    The Rudolf Report: Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects of the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/trr/

    He was, of course, imprisoned for publishing this work which remains unrefuted to this day.

    The Sonderkommando the workers have testified. Filip Muller. These people are not lying. They are not. They talk about the back up of the crematoriums

    How do you know if they are lying? Nobody denies the crematoria.

    More on Mueller:

    The Lies, Slips, Bungles and Perjuries of Filip Mueller, Professional Witness of Auschwitz-Birkenau
    https://codoh.com/library/document/635/

    Filip Mueller / another lying “eyewitness”
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=95

    Josef G Burg (a Jew) and Paul Rassinier (a French Communist) were prisoners of the Nazis and forced into concentration camps. They were the first ‘Holocaust deniers’ how can you call them liars?

  536. Wally says:
    @Anon

    “Dislike” indeed.

    “These Holocaust deniers are very slick people. They justify everything they say with facts and figures.”

    – Steven Some, Chairman of the New Jersey Commission on Holocaust Education, Newark Star-Ledger, 23 Oct. 1996, p 15.

  537. @Wally

    That was intended for Linda not me.

    You show me who, where and when carried out excavation studies at those sites to actually prove that there are no remains. What if objects such as stadiums or other buildings were built over the mass graves after the war? Have there been any ground penetrating radar studies carried over suspected burial sites if actual permission could not be obtained to excavate? You keep saying nothing was found but you never mention who looked to find anything.

    • Replies: @Theodore
    , @Wally
  538. @Rich

    Assuming you are not what the blogosphere delights in calling a liar, not least on UR threads by the linguistically and intellectually challenged, you are lazy and irresponsible. I have read most of the very long Wikipedia article on “Laws against Holocaust Denial” and there is clearly no prohibition on research or reference to what may be said by counsel in court. “Disputing” – or “Coarsely” or “Grossly” “trivializing” – the Nazi crimes against humanity is about as wide as it gets though it should be of some concern that malicious prosecution in different countries for slightly different crimes could break someone’s finances.

    Perhaps the most interesting discovery was a long quote from Deborah Lipstadt whom Ron Unz has convincingly characterised in very unflattering terms. It is hard not to approve of her saying:

    “I still am a firm opponent of laws against Holocaust denial. First of all, I’m a pretty fierce advocate of the First Amendment. Having been sued for libel, and having had that in my life for about six years, I’m more than ever. Even though libel is not covered by the First Amendment, [David Irving] wouldn’t have been able to sue me in this country because he was a public figure.

    But I also don’t think that these laws are efficacious. Forget the morality – I don’t think they work. I think they turn whatever is being outlawed into forbidden fruit. We saw it in Germany, when Mein Kampf was released from the embargo on it a few years ago. People bought it because suddenly it was something they could get ahold of. I just don’t think these laws work. And the third reason I’m opposed to them is I don’t want politicians making a decision on what can and cannot be said. That scares me enormously”.

    *** *** ***
    FWIW my take on the situation caused by the objectionable anti Holocaust denial laws is that they should allow a smart anti-Semite to infuriate Zionists and organised Jewry by subtle stirrings and provocations. Only stubborn blockheads need worry about conviction and serving time in gaol.

    Of course I understand it if you want to line up with the blockheads.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
    , @Rich
  539. @MarkinLA

    But it could be important evidence.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @MarkinLA
  540. @Commentator Mike

    Hey Commenter Mike!

    You are an interesting guy, thanks!

    Am an old buck who swooned over Neil Diamond’s “Kentucky Woman,” but outside of Hitler’s squeeze, Eva, I am unaware of other “Nazi women.”

    Nonetheless, please consider the life of Marlene Dietrich who Adolph once considered a true German girl but, alas, she became otherwise. Below, C.M., some intro. things from top of my head, & I don’t mean my “other” life directing head.

    Marlene Dietrich; born ,”Maria Magdalena,” well educated, Prussian family values, hubba-hubba, a silent & talkie film star, once had Adolph Hitler as big fan, FBI kept on eye on her, got into feminist lib. expression, she took to Weimar Republic decadence, danced at Berlin nightclubs,💃 became Hitler’s political opponent, became big hit in America,🤗 married a wealthy dud, had child, escaped Germany via airplane as homelanders began to recognize a way to rise from out of Versailles Treaty/Weimar stinkhole, and voila, Marlene Dietrich lay buried in Zionized Germany.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  541. Theodore says:
    @Commentator Mike

    You show me who, where and when carried out excavation studies at those sites to actually prove that there are no remains.

    Not how it works buddy. If you claim millions of pounds of remains exist in an exactly known location, but can not show one iota of remains, you lose.

    There’s a $100,000 reward for anyone that can prove it here:
    http://www.nafcash.com/

    Have there been any ground penetrating radar studies carried over suspected burial sites if actual permission could not be obtained to excavate?

    Sure, Richard Krege did a GPR scan of Treblinka and found no evidence of huge mass graves. He never published though, but there really wasn’t anything to publish. Caroline Sturdy-Colls also did some scans of Treblinka and failed to prove there was even 1% of the alleged ‘huge mass graves’ in precisely known locations.

    You keep saying nothing was found but you never mention who looked to find anything.

    Why don’t you? You could win $100,000
    http://www.nafcash.com/

    If there were burnt remains of 100s of thousands of jews buried in exactly known locations, we would have actual evidence of it by now. Simple as that

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  542. @Jon Baptist

    The author is also associated with RMIT at Melbourne which is a reputable institution. So the kill rate is higher than the one in Rwanda but the Africans used the most primitive methods.

    • Replies: @Theodore
  543. @Anon

    The author of that paper I quoted is a Jew and a mathematician.

  544. Anon[394] • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    Like I said the liberating Russian and Allied troops DOCUMENTED extremely thoroughly what they found in the death camps…

    I forgot that a statement that asserts a mass genocide, for which there are no bodies, that uses the emphasized phrase “X DOCUMENTED extremely thoroughly” was all that it took to serve as argument and proof of anything but the writers own lack of education in rhetoric and proof.

    The middling IQ and resultant retard level arguments of you people is your own perpetual Achilles heel.

    We love it. Bring us more baseless vague assertions, WORDS IN ALL CAPS, adjectives, etc serving as the core of your argument. It’ll allow us to continue to steamroll you people in the realm of PR, exponentially gain political allies among the general population, all the while having a collective laugh at what passes for intellectualism and history from people who can’t patch together a convincing fictional historical narrative even 75 years later and despite billions spent to keep the lie afloat.

    But I suppose that’s what is great about research / academic standards. They were invented specifically to weed out liars and fabricators, and therefore when the standards cannot be met or are suppressed (both the case for the Holocaust) then the authors automatically take on the air of liars even if open dissent is still politically suppressed.

    Thanks science!

  545. @Wally

    you and other Zionists at this site

    Are you now calling me a Zionist too? Am I included in those “other” or not? Do you even know what is a Zionist? So everyone who is not a Holocaust denier is automatically a Zionist? You’re being true to yourself as I described in that comment that irked you.

    • Replies: @Wally
  546. Parfois1 says:
    @Germanicus

    Why don’t you honourably concede defeat in that logical argument instead of hiding behind a curtain of feeble strawmen? You’ll be more respected if you do, otherwise “recalcitrant” will be added to “moron”, but germane.

  547. Robjil says:
    @Corvinus

    You don’t realize how important that Act, The Never Again Listen to Jewish Zionist Advisors Act, would be for mankind.

    Read ” The Controversy of Zion” by Douglas Reed. He names names of the Jewish Zionist Advisors in UK and the US who pushed for WWI and WWII.

    Here we go again. Jewish Zionist Advisors are pushing for the Seven Nations to Destroy in the Middle East. The last big one not yet attacked is Iran. So Iran is in the “news” all the time.

    If this Act is ever passed it would be – one step for man and one step for humanity. End the world wars and sign that Act.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  548. @Corvinus

    “Free speech and all.”

    Holy tone-deaf to irony, Batman!

    Do you see that object whizzing past, 5,000 feet over your head?

    That’s the subject of the original post.

    “Again, the Holocaust happened.”

    Argument by assertion is funniest argument.

    “Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, that man is guilty! The prosecution rests.”

    FORTUNE: Please, please go deep into debt to become a lawyer. You’ll be sooo great!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  549. @ChuckOrloski

    Thanks Chuck,

    I know well about Marlene Dietrich. I actually like Eva Braun. She looks good frolicking in movie recordings. I don’t think she had anything to do with any of those Nazi crimes other than giving comfort to old Adolf, just a fun girl. Pity he took her to hell in the Berlin bunker. Or maybe not, maybe he took her to Argentina instead if some are to be believed.

  550. Theodore says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The author is also associated with RMIT at Melbourne which is a reputable institution.

    You’re really just throwing appeals to authority now. You have ignored the links debunking the laughable “Study”

    The author of that paper I quoted is a Jew and a mathematician.

    I wonder how a Jew can be an objective, unbiased source on the “Holocaust” but a so-called “neo-Nazi” would be immediately dismissed.

  551. Parfois1 says:
    @Rurik

    They’re all motivated by an irrational hatred of Jews.

    There is nothing irrational if some people justifiably hate something – its the natural response to something that is repugnant or offensive to their physical, mental or emotional wellbeing. Itis a defensive mechanism all living things use for protection.

    What is irrational is the irrationality of your statement.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  552. @Wizard of Oz

    QUOTE I have read most of the very long Wikipedia article on “Laws against Holocaust Denial” and there is clearly no prohibition on research or reference to what may be said by counsel in court. END QUOTE

    Tell that to Sylvia Stoltz, the twice jailed lawyer who was convicted for defending her clients. There have been several others.

    @Ron Unz.

    I hope you read the link below to see how nutty this whole “holocaust” escapade has become. In Canada, a Chinese immigrant lawyer is will be barred from heading up a top job in the law society, not for what she did, but for who she defended!

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-lawyer-making-a-bid-for-ontario-law-societys-top-job-defends-her/

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  553. @Wizard of Oz

    Haha. To MarkinLA, Wizard of oZ turned Pet Detective,🙄 said: “But it could be important evidence.”

    Anyone here remember Disney’s “Seven Dwarfs?” One discerning dwarf looked around his neck ‘o woods, announced, “there’s trouble afoot!”

    Well, with PNAC “giants”machinations
    afoot, & takedown of six countries underway, and today, 😟 MAGA Trump made claim to a ZUS warship having smoked an Iranian drone in the Strait of Hormuz sky.

    Yo, oZ! A Newsbreak, fyi? Important evidence available that identifies you as a zionized Wiz, who’s impersonating Dopey, haha, and abusing Snow White(s).

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  554. @Theodore

    Forget Germar Rudolf, he’s too busy running but naked around public parks in the middle of the night.

    https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2019/07/09/germar-rudolf-holocaust-denier-charged-open-lewdness-red-lion-pa/1685114001/

    Better read this instead:

    “A Study of the Cyanide Compounds Content In The Walls Of The Gas Chambers in the Former Auschwitz and Birkenau Concentration Camps” by Jan Markiewicz, Wojciech Gubala, Jerzy Labedz, Z Zagadnien Sqdowych z. XXX, 1994, 17-27.

    http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/orgs/polish/institute-for-forensic-research/post-leuchter.report

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Theodore
  555. Rich says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I’m not a French or German lawyer, but my research says that yes, you can research, but if you arrive at any conclusion that goes against the accepted narrative you face jail and/or a fine.

    It is considered “trivializing ” to publish or say any number less than 6 million. I’m a little busy right now but if you’re actually interested you can look up the story of the elderly German woman recently jailed for doubting the “religion “.

    And again, no one needs a law forbidding questioning the number of dead in theI rish famine, the Franco-Prussian war , the Black Plague or any other historical event. We wouldn’t need a law if it actually happened.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  556. @Theodore

    Those links were mostly to reddit comments. Some scholarly studies those! I’ll concede that like with any research study there could be problems but then why weren’t they raised in counter studies published in the academic press, or at least by the referees for the author to include mention of any such assumptions, limitations, uncertainties, etc.? Maybe they will be. This study was published only six months ago and in the world of academic learned publishing that is quite recent, and it takes time for others to respond in similar research publications. But if you think that even raising scientific questions is verboten when it comes to such studies because of the sensitivity of the topic, then they won’t be, but I would have thought that the kind of reputable publishers such as the US National Library of Medicine of the National Institute of Health would have some standards to maintain and would not sink so low as to publish quack and pseudo scientific works.

    • Replies: @Theodore
  557. @Genrick Yagoda

    I had just come across Sylvia Stolz when reading about Ernst Zündel and was about to mention her though I don’t detect anything more than what any Common Law country’s courts might do in exercise of discipline over officers of the court (as counsel are). Sufficiently bizarre behaviour is likely to result in them being held in contempt of court. I cannot see any evidence that a lawyer who sought to mitigate the import of his/her client’s words by introducing expert testimony on e.g. the chemical residues at Auschwicz, would ipso facto be held in contempt or as committing a statutory offence.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
    , @Parfois1
  558. Anonymous[341] • Disclaimer says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Bizarre.

  559. Parfois1 says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Totally out of order; we are all for free speech even when it hurts. We’ll be homeless if Ron turns into a Torquemada.

    Wally is a bit of a nuisance sometimes, and so are you and am I, parfois, hence my handle. Anyway, we should all be Voltaire here (bien entendu) :

    ” Je ne suis pas d’accord avec ce que vous dites, mais je me battrai jusqu’à la mort pour que vous ayez le droit de le dire. ”

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  560. Parfois1 says:
    @Parfois1

    Oops! I think I missed something on the way to the forum… my bearings?

  561. anon[328] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hossein

    Saudi royals will sell their mothers to stay in illegal power and enjoy ill-gotten wealth . They will sale Islam at the drop of a dime .

    They have allowed Zionism to sneak into . It will destroy Islam unless stopped .

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  562. Fox says:
    @FB

    What you are writing makes me think of the camp Bergen-Belsen, running low in supplies in early 1945, cut off from the world because trains are shot up by English and American fighter planes, same with trucks, the water works are destroyed by an American bombing attack. No more food, no drugs, no water, the camp is full much beyond its capacity because of evacuees from the east where the Bolsheviks are breaking through.
    Typhus breaks out, people starve, are weakened, water is scarce, sanitation breaks down, and when the English finally show up the camp is handed over in an orderly manner with the warning that things are out of control.
    It took them two months to bring the typhus epidemic under control, inmates kept dying even after the English can bring in food, restore water supply and can provide medical services. They can’t handle the dead either, bulldoze into ditches…..and yet, they won’t miss the opportunity to construe “genocide” and murder from what they found, and ultimately caused themselves through their relentless campaign of destruction.
    The commandant of the camp was sentenced to death and killed. That’s how “history” is made, total control over everything, no opposition allowed to the ever more fantastic claims being made, facts being misrepresented and the whole being endlessly, almost maniacally, repeated.
    I think the West has lost its honor. The way it has wrapped up the war points to a massive overcompensation for something nagging with ferocious brutality at its innerts and from the sharp decline of everything in this West, I have to conclude that its Life Force is extinguished as a consequence.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  563. @Theodore

    Richard Krege’s claims seem dubious and hence not published:

    https://antisemitism.org.il/en/richard-krege/

    Caroline Sturdy-Colls’s study seems to contradict Krege’s claims as she discovered evidence of mass graves at Treblinka. Furthermore she even found the gas chambers and human remains.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20141011194905/http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16657363

    Sturdy Colls, C. (2016). ‘Earth conceal not my blood’: forensic and archaeological approaches to locating the remains of Holocaust victims’ In: Dreyfus, J-M. and Anstett, E. Human remains in society: Curation and exhibition in the aftermath of genocide and mass-violence. Manchester: Manchester University Press.

    Sturdy Colls, C. (2012), “Holocaust Archaeology: Archaeological Approaches to Landscapes of Nazi Genocide and Persecution.” Journal of Conflict Archaeology Nr 7(2), 71-105.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20140401133612/http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-4504925%2C00.html

    https://web.archive.org/web/20140401133612/http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-4504925%2C00.html

  564. @Wizard of Oz

    Uh, OK.

    At the Zundel trial, forensic chemical evidence was introduced showing nothing happened. Jews were not gassed by bug spray.

    Further, at the Irving v Lipstadt trial, Irving produced the Degesh records showing that the non “death camp” of Oranienburg was sent exactly the same amount of bug spray as the supposed “death camp” of Bullschwitz.

    Can you show me any other civilized country that has jailed a lawyer twice for defending their client?

    Thanks in advance.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  565. @Rurik

    Rurik wrote:

    We’re talking about the most evil crime ever committed against god himself!

    Hey I beg to differ. The most evil crime is indeed that committed against God himself, that is the murder of God himself, or his Son if you will, Jesus Christ. And we know who did that and it wasn’t the Romans, who were just the executioners of some others’ will. But discussing that is off topic. I know you are a Jew and the issue under discussion enrages you but honestly you’re off the mark here, attacking goyim when many more goyim than Jews were victims of the same Nazis and had the same fate in this instance, and many goyim fought and died to save some Jews and what of it now?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  566. @Rich

    I wouldn’t want to employ a lawyer who wasn’t smart enough to be able to protect himself and his client from the local variation of anti-denialist laws while not only doing research which produced a figure of, say, 4 million, but publicising it as well. You just have to be the sort of person who finds the – probably Jewish – tax lawyer who says “it’s a pity to see someone with $100 million in assets leaving it so late but, yes, I think we can make sure the IRS and state fiscal authorities will never take more than the odd million- less than my fee in fact”.

  567. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @anon

    Lets hope so. Bunch of Jihadist do nothing for no one. Not even their own. Jihad Jihad.

    • Replies: @anon
  568. @Genrick Yagoda

    I think I have answered this. “for defending his client” is the tendentious and contentious bit. If counsel shouts and screams and insists on trying to introduce opinion evidence that is in contradictoon of statutory “truth” it is not surprising that the judge would find that counsel was in contempt of court. I would guess that counsel could get away with arguing in mitigation of the client’s offence that he had been subjected from childhood to hearing apparently rational and convincing arguments to the the effect that …. etc.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  569. Pontius says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Are you sure? Those look like SS colors to me.

  570. Parfois1 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I cannot see any evidence that a lawyer who sought to mitigate the import of his/her client’s words by introducing expert testimony on e.g. the chemical residues at Auschwicz, would ipso facto be held in contempt or as committing a statutory offence.

    You are missing the point. Hint: there are many ways to skin a cat. How many people have been “disciplined” for not toeing the official line? The chappie in the Spanish River H.S. story for instance.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  571. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @Theodore

    Who was recorded? Please show these supposed secret recordings.

    All of his recordings are available, just google it or go to Yad Vashem. He also interviewed remote towns, where Jews were rounded up before the Camps were built when they used gassing vans at Chelmno. These people have like no teeth and are really just local yoddles talking about what happened to the Jews.
    You write like people who saw it have to prove it. They saw it. Many, many people saw things.
    What happened to the 400,000 Jews transported to Auschwitz from Hungry?

    • Replies: @Theodore
  572. @Wizard of Oz

    No. you suggested some sort of insane jail punishment is appropriate for some imaginary “shouting and screaming”.

    No lawyer, not even one who “shouts and screams” gets the same sentence in any court case the world over.

    5 dollar words and correct grammar do not make a persuasive argument here. Not with me, and I suspect not with most of Unz’ readers. Sylvia Stoltz was jailed for Heresy. Just like her clients. If you are trying to convince anyone that she was jailed for “contempt” you are going to have to work much harder.

    I’m guessing that you are Johnathon Repulski, posting under a different pseudonym. No one else could be this obtuse.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @anonymous
  573. prawda [AKA "prawda a nie klamstwa"] says:

    Jack Cole a Jew interviews Dr. Franciszek Piper at Aushwitz.

  574. @Bardon Kaldian

    Lost family members proves truth of narrative, Denier scum!

    Proceeds to cite suicide victims and deaths of those so elderly that they would have come as no surprise in peacetime.

    If those are the best examples you can provide, I have to say I’m even less convinced than before.

  575. turtle says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Here is the author’s faculty page (1 of 2):
    https://en-lifesci.tau.ac.il/profile/lewi
    No CV is provided, but perusal of his publication list is instructive.
    Observations:
    1. Cited article makes (what I would regard as) heavy use of jargon in a failed attempt to appear more erudite.
    E.g. “dataset” in place of mere “data.”
    Reminds me of bureaucrats who insist on “utilize” where “use” conveys the meaning.
    Other terms of obfuscation: “time series,” “kill rate.” etc.
    “Kill rate” reminds me of Herman Kahn’s famous book, “On Thermonuclear War, ” in which Mr. Kahn quite pretentiously and (he believed dispassionately) bandied the term “throw weight” to mean the payload of an ICBM.
    2. Weasel words:

    Detailed records of the killings are almost nonexistent

    Gee, really?
    In other words, there is little or no objective support for your conclusions.
    In other words, you are a BSer.
    3. As a biologist, the author is supremely unqualified to discuss, or to investigate, the operational requirements inherent in a program of mass exterminations, the reality of which he merely assumes.

    To wit: homicide implies a corpse.
    Mass homicide implies large numbers of corpses, which must be disposed of.
    I believe that Höss, the commandant of Auschwitz, is one record as stating that killing people is easy. Corpse disposal is the biggest problem. Corpse disposal is therefore the limiting step in any program of mass murder, unless you simply let the bodies rot in the jungle, as is reputed to have been done in Cambodia.

    In short , it is my considered opinion that this article is of no value, in either an academic or a practical sense. In my opinion, this is a work of theology, which will no doubt find its intended audience.

    Further observations:
    1. There are in existence what appear to be construction documents which describe one or more of the “Bug river camps,” as Mr. Irving prefers to call them, as “Vernichtungslager,” IOW “extermination camps.” If these documents are in fact genuine, there is little doubt as to the purpose of these (temporary) camps. In that case, the only question is the scale of the operation, which is not a trivial question. Mr. Irving is on record as stating he believes the generally accepted figure for the claimed death tolls at these camps are likely quite accurate, based on his examination of messages decoded by the British code breakers at Bletchley Park. Mr. Irving is fluent in written and spoken German, unlike some British academic historians.
    2. The problem of corpse disposal, particularly if burial is selected as the disposal method, is a problem in construction engineering.
    a) Matter, in this case dead bodies, must be moved over some distance, whether large or small.
    b) Earth must be moved, first to excavate the grave site , and then to backfill it.

    2. It is first necessary to estimate the amount of earth required to be excavated in order to bury a single corpse. A reasonable estimate can be gotten by assuming:
    a) the human body has the approximate density of water. This is conseravtive, as the actual value is ~985 kg/m^3
    c) calculating a volume based on an assumed value for the average mass of a corpse
    c) estimating a packing fraction for corpses.
    for equal spheres closest packing is 0.74
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close-packing_of_equal_spheres
    I conjecture 0.6 may be a reasonable value for human corpses.
    d) specifying burial depth. “Six feet under” is a commonly used value, but, your specification.

    3. If large numbers of bodies are involved, then large quantities of earth must be moved, twice.
    This necessarily involves heavy equipment, and heavy equipment require fuel, usually diesel.
    By consulting standard references, it is possible to determine how much equipment is required to perform such tasks, as well as the fuel requirement, given the desired production rate.
    Keep in mind that loose earth is less dense than unexcavated soil, so there will be a mound over the backfilled excavation unless you choose to compact the backfill, which takes time. Be sure to include compaction time, if used, when calculating production rates for your operation. Sanitation and dust control time and equipment requirements must also be taken into account.

    If the above calculations are done, it should be possible to estimate a reasonable value for corpse disposal rate by burial, given a) haul distance b) soil conditions, and c) equipment resources committed to the task. These calculations are, as they say, left as an exercise for the student.
    Be sure to show your work.

  576. @FB

    Alois Jr. was a half-brother, which is not a brother. The wife of a half-brother cannot be a sister-in-law. Half sister-in-law?

    Also, that Wiki page you linked to is mostly garbage, and unsourced. For example, Hitler was not a sickly child, but quite robust.
    Adolf barely knew Alois jr. He had never laid eyes on the so-called sister-in-law, the Irish woman, whose book is a total fiction. Greg Hallet is a joke, as is Henry Makow. The conclusion, therefore, is unchanged.

  577. @Parfois1

    Why don’t you take on disproving the tooth fairy?
    The tooth fairy exists! It is a matter of fact, because I say so!
    If you doubt the tooth fairy or tooth fairy witnesses I will imprison you.

    It is moronic trying to disprove a fairy tale such as “holocaust” that has never been physically proven. All you got is hear say, an absurd postulate, and repression because you declare something postulated brazenly a fact.

    I méan, the Jew screeches “prove the holocaust did not happen”, instead of the Jew trying to prove it happened, because its his absurd theory.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  578. @Robert Dolan

    One problem with turning the Holocaust into a religion of its own is that you can’t find proper research. All the writers are either following the official narrative or else they are anti-Semites. I recall hearing about the mass-murder of the Jews in 1964. The word ‘Holocaust’ was not then in use but the concept was. Shirer’s 1960 best-selling book The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich discusses Nazi anti-Jewish atrocities, some of which probably didn’t happen. As a boy in NYC I regularly saw Jewish men and women on the subway with numbers tattooed on their arms. David Irving, who is famously sympathetic to the German side, thinks millions of Jews were murdered in mass shootings as the German army advanced eastward. I’m not sure what his current view is on the use of gas chambers. Many who discuss the subject seem to equivocate between gas chambers and crematoria. The existence of the latter is not disputed, but doesn’t prove that Jews were intentionally murdered as opposed to dying of illness. I suspect the Germans did mass murder Jews in the camps since they were mass-murdering them outside the camps. While this policy is horrible, their view that Jews were partisans had some basis as did the Russian view that ethnic Germans were partisans. In war we perceive the danger of cost-benefit thinking.

    • Replies: @Anon
  579. Robjil says:
    @Commentator Mike

    This makes it more impossible. The trains that this study thinks is so efficient, timely and fast is in Eastern Europe and not Germany. Germany was fighting the biggest powers of the west and the Soviet Union at the same time. How could it have time to update Eastern European trains in the middle of a world war on Germany.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  580. @Genrick Yagoda

    The main question is, why is history, basically research and science, subject to criminal law and courts?
    That is ridiculous in itself, and unique. A court is totally unqualified to rule over historic research.
    Especially in occupied Germany, the prosecution is bound by instructions of their superiors, as stated in the GVG §146.
    The prosecution is a political tool doing Stalinist type show trials, same for these political judges. It is a mockery of justice.

  581. @Fran Taubman

    Yeah, when I think of credible and sane I think of you Ms. Holocaust. Need a little brush up reading. What a lonely life you must lead. “Oh got to go read my holocaust bullshit so I am relevant again”.
    What an intellectual powerhouse.

  582. @MarkinLA

    She believes she’s an intellectual powerhouse, so give her a break, even if she has to post lies.

  583. @Parfois1

    Why don’t you honourably concede defeat in that logical argument instead of hiding behind a curtain of feeble personal attacks? You’ll be less disrespected if you do, otherwise “recalcitrant” and “simple” will be added to “moron”, but germane.

  584. anon[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Not clear , Are you trying to say something ?

  585. @Genrick Yagoda

    Me Jonathan Repulsky? You have found the ultimate insult. Excuse me while I retire to recover from my palpiations 😉

  586. @Parfois1

    Perhaps I simply entertain a more favourable presumption in favour of lawyers and judges from my Australian experience where the collegiality of barristers and judges who have nearly all been members of the independent Bar is strong and overwhelmingly a force for good. Not quite on topic but I cite, with approbation, the obvious distress of Cardinal George Pell’s Rightly esteemed Jewish senior counsel when, after the first jury had been 10-2 for acquittal (almost certainly true, as I understand the chairman of the jury blurted it out when seeking directions from the judge), the second convicted him of abusing a couple of choir boys unanimously. As usual that counsel kept his client out of the witness box – though his lengthy police interview was played to the jury – and he as obviously distraught at having failed his not very likeable but probably innocent client. Happily no petitions to have counsel censured for daring to represent such an unpopular client. Back to topic. I was going to say that there would be no question of a ruling on breach of the rules of proper professional conduct being a “heresy” trial. However in the case a few years ago against (still) popular journalist and TV host Andrew Bolt for saying nasty things about a lot of very white Aborigines on the gravy train Jewish counsel for the “Aborigines” – himself a former Federal Court judge – invoked the spectre of the Nazis and the Jewish Federal Court judge managed to fine the sinner and forbid repetition. I urged appeal but it was apparent that Bolt had been careless with his homework and at least one or two of the Aborigines really had been brought up as such and could make a sincere claim to Aboriginality. So… unlikely Bolt would have won before any judge.

  587. Theodore says:
    @Commentator Mike

    This is fallacious reasoning, Mike. You have a very authoritarian view of knowledge and consistently resort to fallacious tactics. Deliberately? I am not sure. But you seem totally and completely obsessed with declaring certain individuals “Reputable” or “authoritative” rather than discussing the validity of the arguments put forth.
    Rudolf getting charged with indecent exposure does not invalidate anything he says. Heck, a person could say “The grass is green, the sky is blue” and go on a murderous rampage. Does that change the color of the grass and sky? No. Rudolf being charged or arrested for any sorts of things does not invalidate any of his research. If “2+2=4” is written with feces on a piece of toilet paper, is it still accurate? Of course! Let’s try to debate the actual arguments, not dismiss anything people say for goofy, fallacious reasons and then go and say “This person is ‘reputable’ when their arguments are unsound”

    I have read that study by Markiewicz et al, I have been aware of it for years. It’s scientific fraud, they totally ignored iron-bound cyanide and basically found negligible traces everywhere.

    As for that study:

    An Official Polish Report on the Auschwitz ‘Gas Chambers’ – Krakow Forensic Institute Confirms Leuchter’s Findings
    https://codoh.com/library/document/2333/

    A fraudulent attempt to refute Mr. Death
    http://vho.org/GB/c/GR/Fraudulent.html

    [MORE]

    It is more than twelve years ago that an American technician went to Auschwitz concentration camp and made the first forensic research ever conducted by an independent researcher. His expert report triggered a broad and sometimes heated debate, as it was not in line with the generally excepted view held about Auschwitz. Under such circumstances one would expect that many scholars would get involved in this matter trying to refute Leuchter’s thesis. But in all these years only one scientific paper has been published in a fairly unknown Polish journal addressing the chemical questions raised by Leuchter. However, the Polish authors of this work did such a sloppy job that their attempt to refute Leuchter not only fails but calls into question their scientific credentials. Furthermore, it will be demonstrated that the unscientific methodology applied by these Poles can only be called fraudulent. Under normal circumstances, these Polish authors would be expelled from the scientific community for their unethical behavior.

    The Poles ignored all arguments proving them wrong, though they definitively knew them, since they quoted them. They did nothing to verify or falsify their own claims. They did nothing to understand what they claimed to not having understood. But why did they act that way?

    The answer to that is very easy: They wanted to exclude the Prussian Blue and similar iron cyanide compounds from their analyses. This can only be justified when assuming that Prussian Blue in the walls of the delousing chambers must have a different origin, e.g. stemming from paint. They themselves wrote:

    “We decided therefore to determine the cyanide ions using a method that does not induce the breakdown of the composed ferrum cyanide complex (this is the blue under discussion)[…]”

    What does that mean?

    Fact is: The exclusion of Prussian Blue from analytical detection must result in much lower analyses results for the delousing chambers, as non-iron cyanide compounds are not very stable and would therefore hardly be present after 50 years. The same is true for every room ever exposed to hydrogen cyanide. In fact, values close to the detection level must be expected, which are generally so unreliable, that a proper interpretation is close to impossible. It can therefore be expected that the analysis of samples tested with such a method would deliver similar results for nearly every sample of material that is many decades old. Such an analysis would make it rather impossible to distinguish between rooms massively exposed to hydrogen cyanide and those, which were not.

    And that is in my opinion exactly what the Poles wanted to achieve: Values for both the delousing chambers and the alleged homicidal gas chambers with similar levels of cyanide residues. This would allow them to state: ‘See: same amount of cyanides, hence same amount of gassing activity, thus humans were gassed in the gas chambers. Henceforth, Leuchter is refuted.’

    As a matter of fact, that is exactly what the analyses results of the Poles delivered, and they concluded accordingly.

    5. Conclusions

    Let me summarize the extremely unscientific and politically biased approach of Markiewicz and his co-workers:

    a. The most important task of a scientist is to try to understand what hasn’t been understood so far. The Poles just did the opposite: they decided to ignore and exclude what they didn’t understand (the formation of Prussian Blue in walls exposed to hydrogen cyanide).
    b. The next important task of a scientist is to discuss other scientists’ attempts to make understandable. The Poles just did the opposite: they decided to ignore and exclude from discussion what would perhaps make them (and others) understand how Prussian Blue can be formed.
    c. That allowed them to use methods producing the results they wanted to see.
    d. They suppressed results that didn’t fit into their desired results.
    e. Finally, they admitted that the purpose of their research was not to seek the truth, but to keep totally discredited the reputation of one, who has long since rotted away.

    Hence, I publicly called and still call these Polish authors scientific frauds. Neither Markiewicz nor his co-workers ever stood up against that accusation. Dr. Markiewicz died in 1997, and the remaining two co-authors have been silent about that ever since, like thieves hiding in the night.

    Maybe you should read BOTH SIDES and then come to a conclusion based on analyzing different positions. Rather than whining about “reputable” or “reliable” sources based on false measures, and then totally ignoring the arguments of the side you have discarded as ‘evil’. That’s not rational, Mike

  588. hotrod31 says:
    @Anonymous

    ‘They’ are only ‘the ruling class’ as you have put it, because we allow ‘them’ to be. We are many and they are few … it is past time to give ‘them’ their comeuppance.

  589. @Bardon Kaldian

    Haven’t you been paying attention? Novelties have not failed to be invented even in 2019. I’m sure that someone here has told us there were 2.5 million Polish Jews w/o the new Polish names who took over the part of eastern Germany that was added to Poland after the war…..

  590. Theodore says:
    @Fran Taubman

    All of his recordings are available, just google it or go to Yad Vashem. He also interviewed remote towns, where Jews were rounded up before the Camps were built when they used gassing vans at Chelmno. These people have like no teeth and are really just local yoddles talking about what happened to the Jews.

    I am talking about the alleged ‘secret recordings’ you speak of. Not random people testifying

    You write like people who saw it have to prove it. They saw it. Many, many people saw things.

    I am saying that eyewitness testimony is not infallible. People lie. People make mistakes. I quoted a Jewish historian who was a survivor at Auschwitz who said that most (over half) of holocaust testimony is “Unreliable” – when you said you couldn’t find the article, I supplied a scan of the old newspaper clipping.
    Holocaust testimony is some of the least reliable testimony of all, not because of criminal ill will of the people, but the strong emotional nature of the event.

    There are a lot of reasons why Jews would give false testimonies.

    – Revenge against Germans, who put them in concentration camps

    – Coercion by allied/soviet interrogators, or their fellow jews

    – Emotional nature of the event risks distortion of the memory. False memory has been observed in over 50% of cases in some experiments. See: https://archive.is/R9U8Z

    – Childhood imagination; the memory of children is known to be “qualitatively and quantitatively different from the memories formed and retrieved in late adolescence and the adult years” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childhood_memory)

    – Ethnic cohesion, possibly a sense of “doing what is good for the jews” so to say… (ex: “so you were at auschwitz, you saw the evil nazis gas our fellow jews, right…??”)

    – Confirmation bias. (ex: Someone hears a mention of gas chambers via gossip/rumors, then they remember seeing someone be marched somewhere else, never to be seen again… and in their mind it means they were gassed, even if they weren’t)

    – Holocaust testimony is so widespread in media, and through personal correspondence; information introduced after an event takes place effects the memory (see below)

    – Victim status. If you can get people to believe you’re a victim, you get sympathy, attention…

    Don’t we all remember this guy, Herman Rosenblat: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/business/media/herman-rosenblat-85-dies-made-up-holocaust-love-story.html

    After he was outed for hoaxing his Holocaust testimony:
    “The reality was that I wasn’t telling the truth, because she didn’t throw the apple to me, but in my mind I believed she did… In my imagination, in my mind, I believed it. Even now, I believe it, that she was there and she threw the apple to me.”
    His son claimed it was for money (he was offered a movie deal)

    See Table 1 “Ten Demonstrations of false memory” from this:
    https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/a930/d68a59fe199f9e802f31c5411d718ab1374c.pdf

    Professor Elisabeth Loftus, a Jewess, has done a lot of research on false memories. She even describes an experience where she didn’t speak up against her fellow Jews after hearing obviously false testimony due to loyalty to her “race” — see:

    An Expert on “Eyewitness” Testimony Faces a Dilemma in the Demjanuk Case
    http://vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/11/2/Cobden238-249.html

    From another study by Prof. Loftus:
    “Subjects were exposed to either consistent, misleading, or irrelevant information after the accident event. Results show that misleading information produced less accurate responding on both a yes–no and a 2-alternative forced-choice recognition test. Further, misleading information had a larger impact if introduced just prior to a final test rather than immediately after the initial event. The effects of misleading information cannot be accounted for by a simple demand-characteristics explanation. Overall results suggest that information to which a witness is exposed after an event, whether that information is consistent or misleading, is integrated into the witness’s memory of the event. (Source: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1978-26704-001)

    What happened to the 400,000 Jews transported to Auschwitz from Hungry?

    Please see comment #443
    What happened to them: They certainly were not gassed and buried in exactly known locations, otherwise you could prove it by showing the enormous levels of human remains which would necessarily exist.

  591. Theodore says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Caroline Sturdy-Colls’s study seems to contradict Krege’s claims as she discovered evidence of mass graves at Treblinka. Furthermore she even found the gas chambers and human remains.

    She did not find a single ‘mass grave’ because if she did, we would have seen it.

    And no she did not find a single ‘gas chamber’ at all. She found ruins of a building and labelled it a ‘gas chamber’ – there is quite a difference here.

    Watch:
    The Treblinka Archeology Hoax
    https://archive.org/details/TheTreblinkaArchaeologyHoax

    So-called “Holocaust Deniers” do not claim “Zero people were buried at Treblinka,” as likely a number of people died in transit and were buried. It is the Holocaust believers which claim MILLIONS OF POUNDS OF REMAINS and TENS OF MILLIONS OF TEETH are buried in exactly known locations. Not even 1/10 of 1% has ever been shown to exist.

    Please prove that there are massive levels of human remains at Treblinka. I wish there were, because then I can win this $100,000 reward:

    http://www.nafcash.com/

  592. Theodore says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Those links were mostly to reddit comments. Some scholarly studies those!

    There was no link to any reddit posts. Please try again

    New study: 1.7 million jews killed in “hyperintense” 100-day “pulse of death” killing spree
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12193

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  593. @Fox

    Yes, it seems unfortunate that the scenes and conditions in Bergen-Belsen so readily lent themselves to confusion with what may have gone on in the camps like Trblinka and Auschwicz. I wonder what the liberators of the POWs in the camp from which my father was freed on April or May 1945 near Hanover thought about the condition of the prisoners. Before the war my father had put 210 pounds behind his powerful drives as a budding champion golfer. When released he was about 112 pounds.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  594. Saggy says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Wait a minute, you did not answer the question.

    Are you still so sanguine about non-white immigration into the US? Europe?

    So, first, you totally ignored non-white immigration into Europe. Let me bring you up to date ….
    With Open Gates: The Forced Collective Suicide of European Nations

    Governments adopt UN global migration pact to help ‘prevent suffering
    https://news.un.org/en/story/2018/12/1028041

    UN senior migration official Ms. Louise Arbour, tasked with overseeing the process, applauded the adoption, calling it “wonderful occasion, really a historic moment and a really great achievement for multilateralism.”

    The Kalergi Plan – White Genocide

    Second, you reduced the question to one of Hispanic crime, but that’s only part of the issue. What the issue boils down to is racism, is it really as https://www.britannica.com/topic/racism says

    Since the late 20th century the notion of biological race has been recognized as a cultural invention, entirely without scientific basis.

    Or is that complete idiocy that is promoted as part of a century long war against the white races by the usual suspects? In case you are wondering:
    Goy Guide to World History (4 Frankfurt School)

    The ‘alt-right’ doesn’t oppose third world immigration (just) because the immigrants tend to criminality, they oppose it because they are racially inferior. That is the issue.

  595. Parfois1 says:
    @Germanicus

    I was referring to the logical proposition argument, not an instance of a fallacy. I agree that, as far as I can know, the Jewish narrative is false and it is promoted for self-serving interest. I even have stated elsewhere that a day will come when Hitler will be blamed for not having done what he’s accused of.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  596. @turtle

    In Iraq US military did use rivers for disposing corpses. Very economical and easy disposal.
    That gives opportunity for rise of question,
    Were concentration camps built near rivers ?

  597. Corvinus says:
    @Robjil

    “You don’t realize how important that Act, The Never Again Listen to Jewish Zionist Advisors Act, would be for mankind.”

    That act doesn’t exist and is other than important. Why are you clinging bitterly to something that is not going to happen?

    “He names names of the Jewish Zionist Advisors in UK and the US who pushed for WWI and WWII.”

    Actually, there were numerous events that led to those global conflicts.

    “Here we go again. Jewish Zionist Advisors are pushing for the Seven Nations to Destroy in the Middle East. The last big one not yet attacked is Iran. So Iran is in the “news” all the time.”

    Actually, it’s called the Grand Bargain, and it involves Trump.

    “If this Act is ever passed it would be – one step for man and one step for humanity. End the world wars and sign that Act.”

    This fake legislation would not end humanity’s tendency to be selfish and desire to impose its will on people.

    Praytell, why do you have a Jew obsession?

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @annamaria
  598. @Buck Ransom

    The piles of shoes and clothes they show behind glass as exhibit A are left over after the new camp prisoners took them off to be deloused in the “gas chambers”. They then put on fresh camp uniforms. Oddly, this little bit of misformation is used all the time.

    Search for David Cole and you’ll find a number of interesting videos. He went to Auschwitz and spoke to the docents. When asked about the gas chambers, one docent said on film that they were Russian constructions. Why would she lie?

  599. @Germanicus

    They killed more Germans “after” the war than Germany lost during the entire war, 12 million starved to death from 1945-1948.

    That was the second time. Many were starved and suffered malnourishment after WW1 as well.

    Speaking of Hitchcock,

    Hitchcock project F3080
    [The former POWs] agreed that the cattle cars were filled with captured German soldiers who were infected with typhus and dysentery. They were in fact unwitting extras in a movie being made by Alfred Hitchcock, the Hollywood horror-film specialist. He had been awarded a contract to make a movie about concentration camps for the Nuremberg tribunal. At night the dead prisoners would be unloaded at Buchenwald, Dachau and other concentration camps by those who were still alive. Hitchcock would then film them, depicting the heaps of corpses as victims of German atrocities. A large number of corpses were dumped at Buchenwald at night, and next day the citizens of Weimar were forced to walk past the heaps of rotting corpses and smell the sickening stench. Some of them actually believed the American propaganda, that the corpses had been concentration-camp inmates. It was all filmed as part of Hitchcock’s movie. Afterwards the corpses were shoved into mass graves in the vicinity. That too was part of the script. This is the explanation that the two former officers of the US Army gave me concerning the trainload of dying German prisoners that I witnessed on June 16, 1945.

    -Nemo Anonymous, Auschwitz, Buchenwald and Alfred Hitchcock’s First Horror Movie, From the Memoirs of a German Soldier

    In case the imbedded link won’t work, here’s the link.:http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/4/4/3195

    Note to mod: I tested the link, it works. In the imbedded one, “no follow” keeps getting inserted.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  600. @turtle

    I myself do prefer the use of simpler and more concise language and terminology for publications as recommended by “How to Write and Publish a Scientific Paper,” by Robert A. Day, however many academics do like to use jargon to appear more erudite, as you point out, and though it diminishes the readability of their work it doesn’t necessarily mean that their science is suspect. A few of the authors who publish here and are long-winded could also do with adopting the recommendations of Robert A. Day but let’s not mention them by name.

    Yes absolutely the disposal of bodies is a major point but how practical or impractical it would be to achieve in the short period of time, or how it was done in practice would be speculation on my part. But I don’t think that it would be impossible.

    Also you can’t expect publications of this type to deal comprehensively with all aspects of a problem. Scientific publications usually deal narrowly with a certain specific aspect of a phenomenon, and one should raise issues that pertain to the work itself, its methodology, premises, assumptions, data quality, and so on. One shouldn’t overlook any shortcomings or limitations, and such should at least be mentioned and discussed in any impartial scientific study, but again one can’t expect to cover everything.

    • Replies: @turtle
  601. Corvinus says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    “That’s the subject of the original post.”

    But the Holocaust is a fact, not a belief.

    “Argument by assertion is funniest argument.”

    The Holocaust is not an assertion, it is a historical event that occurred. The documentary evidence is overwhelming.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Anon
    , @Saggy
  602. Rurik says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I know you are a Jew..

    worst kept ‘secret’ at Unz

    and the issue under discussion enrages you but honestly you’re off the mark here, attacking goyim when many more goyim than Jews were victims of the same Nazis

    Yes, but those victims were not chosen, and so they don’t really matter. At least they don’t matter to god, because they were put here as beasts of burden to serve us Jews. So when goy kills goy, (Amalek kills Amalek) then it’s really a win/win for god and his people, no?

    What do you think both world wars were, if not Jewish supremacist organized slaughter fests of Amelek killing Amelek? Blond haired, blue eyed Brits dropped incendiary bombs on blonde haired, blue-eyed German women and children. Burning them alive by the hundreds of thousands. Their skin pealing away from the heat, their hair burning as they ran though the streets, with no where to go! The entire city was in flames!

    We Jewish supremacists were orgiastic, and why not?!

    Even now, we’re setting the stage for Ameleks in Iran to get slaughtered by NATO Ameleks. Hopefully the Iranians will put up a plucky resistance, and slaughter a few NATO young men and women too!

    and had the same fate in this instance, and many goyim fought and died to save some Jews and what of it now?

    These are the ‘righteous’ schmucks, and if they’re lucky, their children will also die for Israel.

    There is no more illustrious fate then for a worthless goyim than to die in the service of god’s people and Israel.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  603. @Robjil

    As far as the transportation goes, I think the study does a fairly good job of explaining and detailing it. The research only covers Operation Reinhard (1942–1943) involving only Jews from German occupied Poland. None of the journeys from collection points to the nearest of the three camps surveyed would have been much longer than 300 km. The network of railway lines is shown in Figs.4. and 5. Most of the transports would have involved far shorter distances, and the majority would have been from Warsaw itself to Treblinka, a distance of 81 km. So I’d say it was quite feasible.

  604. @Germanicus

    Germanicus wrote: “The main question is, why is history, basically research and science, subject to criminal law and courts?
    That is ridiculous in itself, and unique. A court is totally unqualified to rule over historic research.”

    Dear Germanicus,

    Your words are wise & potent and I truly hope they fall upon my fellow “Homeland” citizens before it’s too late for recovery as the US Supreme law has “matured,” 😟 legalized abortion, and come one day, the zeitgeist of my country might get “Law as a Man.” *

    Most regrettably, in America, I see the social engineered- endgame approach, and ugly dawn of Homo Zioniticus.

    In contrast, and fyi, Homo Sovieticus (Dog Latin for “Soviet Man”) is a sarcastic and critical reference to an average conformist person in the Soviet Union also observed in other countries of the Eastern Bloc. (Note: The intelligent Professor Stephen Cohen titled one of his book, “Sovieticus.”)

    From the bottom of my beating heart, thank you very much, Germanicus!

    * Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago One includes chapters, “The Law as a Child, The Law Matures, and The Law as a Man.”

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @Germanicus
  605. @Theodore

    Theodore,

    I don’t profess to be any more of an expert on the subject than the average UR reader. I have, over the years, read a bit and skimmed through a few of the books and papers on both sides of the debate but have not undertaken detailed studies of the available material. It’s a fascinating, although gruesome, subject for research, but to be competent in it I’d have to do extensive background reading and a comprehensive literature review before plunging deeper into some aspect of it that is more in line with my own professional area of expertise.

    If on the other hand, you or any other readers, think that Stone’s work may become influential in the future and that it has substantial shortcomings which need to be addressed, then I would suggest that someone compile a list of such questions and points to be sent to the author for clarification. Ron Unz may be busy, but he would be the most appropriate person to communicate with the author as one academic to another. Obviously the points raised should deal specifically with the reported work and be presented in the style/format that a typical referee, reviewer or critic would use. Most scientists are happy to respond to inquiries and engage in debate but any communications should be courteous and include appropriately substantiated and referenced data and information deserving of consideration. It would be interesting to see what response we would get.

  606. Saggy says: • Website
    @Jacques Sheete

    Speaking of Hitchcock,

    Hitchcock’s movie was shelved for 50 years, probably because it accurately documents the typhus epidemic that killed 30,000 prisoners at Belsen at the end of the war, 10,000 after the camp was liberated. You can now see it here ….

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/memory-of-the-camps/

    The film is discussed at length in this denier film ….



    Video Link

  607. Anon[100] • Disclaimer says:
    @jack daniels

    All the writers are either … or else they are anti-Semites.

    Below I will take you through the academic logic, with some preface, that points out that your dismissal of research sources over claimed innate bias is actually the foundationally unacceptable form of bias according to research review standards…

    (foundational in the sense that research is dismissed due to claimed researcher-bias before its neutral review):

    How much of your accepted worldview do you think was originally written by anti-European Semites?

    In a purely rhetorical sense, rather than in a research review sense, you might have a point over avoiding openly partisan sources if you were to be equally critical of Semitic cultural documentation across the board.

    The problem is that you seem to take umbrage with antisemitism, and criticizing documentation for being of Semitic origin would definitely fall under that modern definition.

    Leaving you with an inability to be as objective as you seem to want to be without embracing a measure of objective antisemitism. Just like the antisemities.

    The arbiters of the antisemite definition, which is in actuality a term that has come to mean “against the political interests of the Jewish ethnic group”, has left otherwise well meaning people with scientific minds in a difficult position:

    they can either be blessed by the philo-semitic gods or they can stay true to standards of objectivity in science, morality, and politics.

    If you do embrace antisemitism in your quest to neutrally apply a source selection quest, then there is no innate conflict born in source selection bias in regard to the Holocaust narrative; if you earnestly choose to seek all available data (and have the skill to critique it, which is generally taught in graduate programs).

    Therefore, “biased” source selection isn’t the problem that you are making it out to be because it comports with the standards of academic review that are required to look at the data, its accurate presentation, and the evidence level of conclusions, rather than possible pre-existing researcher bias when reviewing data and conclusions for publication.

    Holding that any researcher has an innate bias, and discounting research from that individual based on that conclusion, would be an academically inappropriate form of bias in itself that would throw a red flag in regard to the reviewer before the research itself is reviewed.

    In other words, your only duty as a truly objective mind is to look through the arguments and data for what can be discounted through rote critique and what provides a good level of evidence.

    The synthesis from both activities should serve to give you your conclusions. In the case of the Holocaust narrative as it is presented, the conclusion will be generally be: yes, no, or inconclusive.

    Some people like to invent new narratives that wind their way around evidence in order to grant one or the other side narrative victory. In reality, the Holocaust only lives as it is stated to be.

    Any major credible revisional conclusion impugns the credibility of the claimants in total (as it would any researcher caught presenting false data that stands as a pillar of a major claim in science – more on that below).

    Just remember that while probable political orientation of any researcher should not bias your review of the data, the intentional formal presentation of fabricated data does discredit any researcher in the academic milieu going forward. Usually forever. Which is a problem for the greater Jewish group that has been caught many times fabricating narrative and data. They’ve formally admitted as much:

    https://www.jta.org/2017/01/31/united-states/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians

    Any politically meaningful historical narrative will be dominated by at least two political factions.

    The truth may lie with one, both or neither. To someone with analytical ability, this shouldn’t matter much; especially over a supposed recent event like the Holocaust for which science and data are both central pillars, not in short supply, and can be analyzed on their own merit and apart from narrative.

    While I highly recommend a course in statistical research, I will give you an example of what data critique looks like:

    As a boy in NYC I regularly saw Jewish men and women on the subway with numbers tattooed on their arms.

    Inconclusive. Imprisonment does not imply genocidal intention nor genocide.

    Moreover, what do you think that the chances are of “regularly” seeing the forearms of “saved” Jews in a city of millions in ratio to the number of tattooed Jews freed from the camps of the “efficient” German genocide machine?

    Its low. Which implies that a higher number of Jews were “saved” than claimed, or some other type of fabrication.

    David Irving, who is famously sympathetic to the German side, thinks millions of Jews were murdered in mass shootings as the German army advanced eastward.

    Appeal to authority = inconsequential evidence. What are his data points for peer review?

    The existence of the latter is not disputed,

    Its capacity is disputed, which makes the crematoria disputed in the sense that the Jews refer to it. Which makes it disputed in an academic sense.

    but doesn’t prove that Jews were intentionally murdered as opposed to dying of illness.

    Ok, not apply that same type of critique to everything else (tattoos, etc).

    I suspect the Germans did mass murder Jews in the camps since they were mass-murdering them outside the camps.

    Were they? That narrative hasn’t yet been substantiated through the evidence presented here, nor has the definition of “mass” been established. Followup questions for further review:

    What was the rate of Jewish deaths compared to the civilian population as a whole outside of the camps? How can we verify the data, and to what level of evidence?

    Can we substantiate what the mortality cause of both Jewish and non Jewish civilian deaths was outside of the camps, as a percentage? How do we know and what is the level of evidence?

    This is conservative, run of the mill critique.

    • Replies: @Anon
  608. @Corvinus

    The documentary evidence is overwhelming.

    Show the evidence.

    Professor David Engel is a scholar and lecturer on the Holocaust™. This statement introduces Engel’s lecture series, Understanding the Holocaust™.

    THE PLANNED extermination of European Jews was a central feature of the rule of Germany’s Third Reich betaeen 1933 and 1945. Under Hitler’s leadership, the Nazi party managed to murder 2/3 of Europe’s Jews, some 5.8 million people, in a planned, organized and mechanical slaughter, that is one of the greatest tragedies of the 20th century. https://www.recordedbooks.com/title-details/9781428117242

    Phrases in bold list the tenets of Holocaust™ dogma:
    1. extermination of European Jews was a central feature of the rule of Germany’s Third Reich between 1933 and 1945
    2. the Nazi party managed to murder 2/3 of Europe’s Jews, some 5.8 million people
    3. planned
    4. organized
    5. mechanical slaughter
    6. greatest tragedies of the 20th century

    Let’s call these six points the “elements of the crime.”
    To sustain your statement that

    “The Holocaust is not an assertion, it is a historical event that occurred. The documentary evidence is overwhelming,”

    present your evidence, for each element.

    Failure to do so forces the logical conclusion that your statement is “an assertion” not a “fact.”

    nb. Holocaust signifies a holocaust of Jews.

  609. @Parfois1

    The fact of the matter is, the official “holocaust” narrative has been so properly debunked decades ago already, there is nothing left to debunk. The narrative is being kept artificially alive by brute force and repression, and 24/7 psychological warfare against the populations.
    The narrative came into being in the 1960ies after the so called “Auschwitz trials”, and lived for about 20 years, until the fall of the soviet Union. What we all witness, is just that the general public catches up with the reality. Hence the jewish answer is more repression and criminalization, which won’t end well for the Jews, as it has been cyclically the case throughout history. The reaction of the non Jews will come.

    It has gotten so absurd, that even pointing out the existence of thought crime laws is considered “anti-semitic”.

    My entire point is, just remove these blatant thought crime laws, and just let researchers do their research, if any left at all. Truth is being recognized by people, it is self speaking and does not need laws to protect it.

    If the Jews demand you to disprove their fairy tale, it in fact asks to reverse the principle of “innocent until proven guilty”. This principle is rendered irrelevant, because by this principle, the Jews have logically the task and responsibility to prove their claim, before it can even be regarded a fact. Instead, the Jews demand you to prove your innocence, they assume guilt from the beginning. This is something totally opposed to European cultures and it is destroying our cultures, social structures and everything.

  610. @Rurik

    Rurik,

    There are certainly Jews who think like you’ve outlined, but I somehow doubt that those are your own very views, and that’s why I can’t help thinking that there is a hint of sarcasm in your writings, at least partly if not wholly. Still there is nothing wrong in taking your own side when the chips are down and everyone is out to get you, especially if your back is up against the wall. But since you’re out to get everyone else and there are many more of the others, your real or potential enemies in the world, then I somehow think an intelligent man would reconsider and not give in to fanaticism. Jews may be good at manipulating whites, using whites against the Muslims, perhaps even in manipulating a few Muslims and blacks, but when it comes to most of the rest, like say the Chinese and Indians, who are the most populous nations, I don’t think they’d have a chance. Most people are wise to all such machinations and they couldn’t give a damn about the games Jews play, and some play them even better.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  611. Rurik says:
    @MarkinLA

    Is Hitler’s “Master Race” just another version of “Chosen People”?

    In Hitler’s wildest versions of racial superiority, do you ever imagine him or any other Nazis presuming to believe that God Himself considered the German people to be the only ones with souls?

    Or that non-Germans were put here by God to serve the German people?

    And that the difference between Germans (or Aryans) is “so great that the bodies should be considered as completely different species.”

    ‘An even greater difference exists in regard to the soul. Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Aryan soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the German (Aryan) soul stems from holiness.’

    Imagine if Hitler or Himmler or any other Nazis would have said something so grotesquely insane as..

    ‘The entire creation [of a non-Aryan] exists only for the sake of the Aryan.’

    Actually Hitler would have been laughed off the stage, if he’d had ever said anything so ludicrous.

    But the world’s Jewish supremacists are not so grounded in reality, and actually do believe such horse shit.

    So there’s really no comparison between Hitler’s (rather mild by comparison) ethnocentrism and Jewish supremacist’s masturbatory delusions. The details of which would be hilarious were it not for their control of the Western world’s central banks, and their envy-based hatred of humanity.

    • Replies: @turtle
  612. Anon[100] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Ok, *now apply that same type of critique to everything else (tattoos, etc).

  613. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    I’m guessing that you are Johnathon Repulski, posting under a different pseudonym. No one else could be this obtuse.

    I don’t think so.

    Revulsky may be obtuse, but he’s frequently entertaining.

    Wiz is merely obtuse. Or obtuse + pretentious.

    • Replies: @Anon
  614. During WWII, there are dead soldiers and civilians lying everywhere throughout Europe. Germany is positioned on multiple fronts attempting to advance as well as the Allied powers.

    None of the leadership has any consideration about burying the dead throughout the countryside and cities. Disease and infection are commonplace.

    However, the current-day narrative being projected is that the lunatic Nazis are systematically killing and cremating undesirable peoples in death camps in a very careful way. This is happening during a massive wide-scale war as to avoid raising a larger level of suspicion by the outside world and within Germany as well.

    The big question is why are the Germans so secretive about this plot? Starting from 1941 onward, are Nazi Generals so sure in their incompetence to lose the war? Is the Wehrmacht so confident that the Allies will overtake Europe? Is this the reason why they were operating death camps with no signed orders by Hitler as stated by Raul Hilberg. Was Germany fighting WWII to lose the war?

    The entire story presented is absurd on its face and in the details.

  615. @ChuckOrloski

    Funny you mention the homo sovieticus, it tells me you read my comments and did little research. 🙂
    I would like to use the opportunity again to point to Mikhail Bulgakov’s “Heart of a dog”. Highly recommended read to understand what is going on in the US.

    Heart of a Dog (Russian: Собачье сердце, Sobachye syerdtsye) is a novel by Russian author Mikhail Bulgakov. A biting satire of Bolshevism, it was written in 1925 at the height of the NEP period, when communism appeared to be relaxing in the Soviet Union.[1] It is generally interpreted as an allegory of the Communist revolution and “the revolution’s misguided attempt to radically transform mankind.”[2] Its publication was initially prohibited in the Soviet Union, but it circulated in samizdat until it was officially released in the country in 1987.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_of_a_Dog

    Wikipedia conceals as usual important connections, but with little effort, it is still traceable.
    Serge Voronoff was funded by Rockefeller and Standard Oil, they outsourced the human experiments to the Soviets they could not officially do in the US.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serge_Voronoff

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  616. Anon[189] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    But the Holocaust is a fact, not a belief.

    Not without the widespread free academic ability to review the evidence for it, it isn’t. That’s how facts work.

    Anything else is propaganda, and furthermore the lack of a free review environment marks the Holocaust narrative as probable non-factual propaganda.

    The need to protect the Holocaust “fact” from review severely undermines its credibility. As it would with any “fact”.

    The Holocaust is not an assertion, it is a historical event that occurred.

    See above.

    The documentary evidence is overwhelming.

    So-called evidence doesn’t exist as evidence without free academic review environment. That’s literally how evidence works.

    See above for the rest. My prior statements apply here as well.

    Using adjectives like “overwhelming” as the central pillar of a supposed point impugns your reviewer credibility, as they are obviously devoid any academic meaning.

    Whether a Jew or simply a defender of the Holocaust narrative, you should probably leave the arguments to people who know how to write arguments and therefore to writing that doesn’t hurt your position more than it helps.

    • Agree: annamaria, NoseytheDuke
    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Oemikitlob
  617. @Theodore

    I was referring to

    On reddit it sparked over 10k upvotes and more comments anyone could read in a sensible amount of time…
    A few posters seem to have reasonable knowledge about “Aktion Reinhardt”, on the other hand posters seem to fail to notice that there is nothing new in the “study”.

    in your link.

    About disposal:

    Soldier Field football stadium has a total maximum capacity of 61,500

    The Los Angeles Coliseum holds ca 90,000.

    That’s only in the stands, but if you consider a pit the size and depth of a stadium how many times more? 5 to 10 maybe. And then you build a stadium on top, OK, speculation that mass graves are under stadiums built after the war.

    The study offers truly nothing of value, except showing the utterly nonsensical nature of the Holocaust™ story.

    This laughable “study”

    This is what passes for “scholarly work” — what a joke!

    Not the way to respond to a scientific study published in said journal.

    Anyway, it was just lay persons’ responses. I don’t have anything against lay people having an opinion, and often they have more common sense than the experts, but I’d expect a more serious treatment in a critical study/response.

    • Replies: @Theodore
  618. Rurik says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I can’t help thinking that there is a hint of sarcasm in your writings,

    Mike, I’ve already said that I would NEVER stoop to sarcasm!

    Sarcasm is the refuge scoundrels and reprobates, as it ever was. The sure sign of a demented mind.

    there is nothing wrong in taking your own side when the chips are down and everyone is out to get you

    You’ve just crystalized the essence of delusional Jewish supremacist pathology.

    Only ((they)) (we ; ) are good, and everyone else is evil, and trying to kill us because we alone are loved by god, and so the evil goyim always seek our demise, out of spite and envy.

    It’s been going on ever since god created us as his only chosen people, and so the rest of creation are eternally envious and malicious and full of murderous malice.

    That’s what we Jews have had to endure for thousands of years! Culminating in being shoved into ovens and turned to soap! by hate-crazed Nazis, and their myriad apologists we find here, at Unz!

    But since you’re out to get everyone else

    We’re only returning the favor. The goyim have always hated us for being better than them. This will never change.

    Most people are wise to all such machinations and they couldn’t give a damn about the games Jews play, and some play them even better

    Somehow I suspect that the anti-Semitic Iranians give a damn. They’re about to be ‘shocked and awed’ into giving a damn, if they don’t already.

    The Chinese and Indians are simply not on our radar. We’re busy bashing Western civilization to death on the rocks of Eternal Wars, and it’s ancillary benefit of massive migrations into Europe and N. America. We’ve plunged untold millions of Muslims into the stone age, and utterly destroyed their lives and several of their nations. We’ve bankrupted the ZUS into trillions of dollars of un-payable debt. Their children and grandchildren will be our perpetual debt slaves, just as it is written.

    Once Europe and Russia and N. America are wastelands of despair, then we might take a look at China and India, but we’re busy now. Give us time.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  619. Saggy says: • Website
    @Corvinus

    The Holocaust is not an assertion, it is a historical event that occurred. The documentary evidence is overwhelming.

    The documentary evidence is complete and unequivocal, and that is why the allies hid it immediately after the war, see post 437 reprinted below ….

    The Soviets captured these records and immediately ‘disappeared’ them, so they were unknown to the world until 1989 when they were revealed to the world. You can read about them here …. http://auschwitz.org/en/museum/about-the-available-data/death-records/sterbebucher
    and they are now available….There are three points, 1 – there is extensive documentation of what went on in the camps, 2 – the documentation shows that there was no holocaust, and 3 – the allies hid the documents. The documents captured by the US/British were hidden at Bad Arolsen in Germany and were released to restricted access in Germany in 2013 – https://booksandideas.net/Opening-the-Nazi-archives-at-Bad.html

  620. turtle says:
    @Commentator Mike

    But I don’t think that it would be impossible.

    Do the calculations.
    To quote Lord Kelvin, “To measure is to know.”
    Otherwise, pardon the expression, you are doing nothing but lighting off your own farts.

    Also you can’t expect publications of this type to deal comprehensively with all aspects of a problem.

    Of course not.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  621. Robjil says:
    @Corvinus

    I don’t have a Jewish obsession.

    I have an obsession for freedom of speech.

    Humanity advanced with freedom of speech.

    The massive closing down of freedom of speech to protect Jewish bigwigs is destroying the human mind and our planet. Jewish Zionist Advisors have been instigating the big wars since 1914. No ethnic group should have a total protection to do the most vile things. Doing vile things is criminality.

    Even the Rothschilds admitted in the 19th century that wars were created for their benefit in Europe of that time.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  622. turtle says:
    @Rurik

    Nice pics.:)
    The single steel column so well depicted has many “brothers” who endured a similar fate that afternoon…

    • Replies: @Rurik
  623. Wally says:
    @Commentator Mike

    LOL

    You ‘protest too much’.

    If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, smells like a duck, it is a duck.

    And still no rebuttals to my posted information.

  624. Wally says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Have another:

    ex.:
    !! Excavation Result: No Enormous Human Remains as Alleged at Babi Yar !! … of course’
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11314

  625. Rurik says:
    @turtle

    yep

    lots of iconic photos from that day

  626. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Fuck you, missing people. Whole families gone. Children without parents. Parents without children.
    Where did all the people go?
    Every survivor I knew (they are all dead) lost their whole family.
    Why don’t you find all the missing people and then come back to me.
    There is documental up the wazoo for people who are gone.
    People did not vanish into thin air.
    It is up to the deniers to find those people, locate them and prove they are alive. Start with a small list and then keep going.
    I do not understand the absurdity of dismissing the missing people in such a defined area, like they all arrived in one camp together.
    Deniers constantly ask where are the corps. I am asking where are the people? You do not think that a parent is going to look up their child after the war, or vice versa.
    The whole thing is absurd. Make believe.

  627. @turtle

    Turtle,

    Why not look at some major battles and then ask if it’s not possible to kill and dispose of the dead in numbers such as those quoted in the study? That’s what the military does. Plenty of battles there where hundreds of thousands were killed in a matter of days, weeks or months and the bodies disposed however the military does it. Take one:

    e.g. Battle of the Marne, 6 days, 500,000 casualties, 147,700 dead.

    That’s a daily kill rate almost twice the highest reported in Stone’s study. Go and look up many other battles with similar kill rates. They certainly never had problems killing and disposing of huge numbers. And it’s a lot easier when one lot isn’t even fighting back or trying to stay alive. What’s the problem? Do you think any of those armies had problems removing the dead from the battlefields? I mean really!

    • Replies: @turtle
  628. prawda [AKA "prawda a nie klamstwa"] says:
  629. @Rurik

    You wrote earlier, so you obviously recognise:

    But the world’s Jewish supremacists are not so grounded in reality, and actually do believe such horse shit.

    At least most on UR can agree with that.

    Only ((they)) (we ; ) are good, and everyone else is evil, and trying to kill us because we alone are loved by god

    Pretty much like anyone else. Doesn’t make you that much special.

    The goyim have always hated us for being better than them

    You got that wrong. The goyim who know anything about you think they’re better than you. Most people think they’re better then others whether they are or not or even if they know who or what Jews are.

    the rest of creation are eternally envious and malicious and full of murderous malice.

    Like what’s to envy? Getting kicked out of how many countries? Getting wiped out every now and again? Being the target of murderous malice? Not having a place of your own? Like everyone going: “Come on, move on Jew”. If it makes you feel good run with it.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @gsjackson
  630. Rurik says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Where did all the people go?

    People did not vanish into thin air.

    not into thin air, but down the drain

  631. Wally says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    I noticed that you dodged my comment #372 which demolishes your silliness.

    plus:
    Where’s your proof that they are “missing”?

    Where’s your proof that they were murdered?

    You do realize that all people die.

    What ‘documentation’ are you talking about?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  632. @Fran Taubman

    People did not vanish into thin air.

    No, they went mainly to Israel.
    Occupied Germany paid a wee bit over 6 Million “survivors” “reparations”.
    There are you “missing” people. Now STFU with your emotional drivel.

  633. Rurik says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Not having a place of your own?

    ahh, but that’s where you’re wrong

    we orchestrated the deliberate slaughter of a hundred million + Christian Gentiles in the last century alone in order to secure our sovereign snake pit.

    And now it grows and grows with every goyim butchered for our greater glory.

    Even now we’re drilling in the Golan, as your people languish in stunted, doe-eyed paralysis.

    Look as your president abases himself to our exaltation. Your congress lick our feet.

    If it makes you feel good run with it.

    oh, it makes us feel very good indeed!

  634. Wally says:
    @Fran Taubman

    said:
    “Deniers constantly ask where are the corps. I am asking where are the people?”

    Hey, it’s your Jews, not Revisionists, who say that they all went to enormous mass graves and that those human remains are in known locations.

    Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the ‘holocaust’ storyline is the message.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Commentator Mike
  635. annamaria says:
    @Sic Semper

    The ongoing mass slaughter in the Middle East has been initiated on the very energetic urges of the Jewish Community in the US (see PNAC and Oded Yinon Plan for Eretz Israel).

    American zionists and their X-tian collaborators (Cheney and Co) are quilty of the wars of aggression (see the International Military Tribunal in Nuremberg).

    Senator Kevin Rader and Representative Tina Polsky should be reminded of the Yinon Plan and ongoing Middle Eastern slaughter (spawn by the Yinon plan and PNAC criminals) every time they open their big mouths to protect the holohoax industry.

  636. Anon[341] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Obtuse? Doesn’t agree with your brain farts? Pretentious? Embarrasses the careless, lacking in mental stamina and uneducated by sounding like a careful lawyer when the subject is worth precision?

    • LOL: NoseytheDuke
  637. turtle says:
    @Commentator Mike

    You said:

    Yes absolutely the disposal of bodies is a major point but how practical or impractical it would be to achieve in the short period of time, or how it was done in practice would be speculation on my part.

    I provided a framework for obtaining a (?) reasonable estimate of what would be involved.
    I did not publish* detailed calculations, nor make any judgment about the feasibility of such an operation. You, or anyone else, can do such calculations yourself, if you have a mind to. You need not merely speculate. I should think you would want to know, but perhaps not.

    however the military does it

    Magic?
    No, there are physical processes involved, which are well understood, and therefore susceptible to analysis and calculation.
    To belabor the point, corpse burial on an industrial scale, which is what we are discussing here, however disgusting it may be, is pretty much a sanitary landfill operation.
    Given a quantity of waste per unit time, it is possible to calculate the resources necessary to dispose of it in a satisfactory manner. Volume of earth excavated, number of haul trucks, size and number of bulldozers, operating hours per day, fuel requirements, etc.

    They certainly never had problems killing and disposing of huge numbers.

    Unsupported assertion. Perhaps corpse disposal was a major problem, as certain times and in certain locations. I personally do not know.

    I perceive in some of your posts a tendency to defer to the pronouncements of “experts,” rather than investigating for yourself. In today’s highly technical world, that is certainly necessary in some cases, but we owe it to ourselves to do our own investigation, and draw our own conclusions based on the facts, whenever possible.

    *I did not say I did not do any calculations.
    Do your own calcs, draw your own conclusions.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Commentator Mike
  638. Corvinus says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “Professor David Engel is a scholar and lecturer on the Holocaust™.”

    There is no trademark on Holocaust. Furthermore, the professor lays out in his book, as well as other historians, the “elements of the crime”. You simply do not want to believe that evidence.

    “Phrases in bold list the tenets of Holocaust™ dogma”.

    No, that is simply his opening statement, by which the professors offers proof. You presented a false premise.

    The Holocaust happened. That is a fact, not an assertion.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  639. Corvinus says:
    @Anon

    “Not without the widespread free academic ability to review the evidence for it, it isn’t. That’s how facts work.”

    Assuredly, there has been this robust review of the evidence. And the conclusions drawn from that evidence is that the Holocaust occurred. No propaganda, just documentary proof.

    “Using adjectives like “overwhelming” as the central pillar of a supposed point impugns your reviewer credibility, as they are obviously devoid any academic meaning.”

    Not if the evidence has been shown to be overwhelming, which would then be a proper description.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  640. Corvinus says:
    @Robjil

    “I have an obsession for freedom of speech.”

    That incorporates an obsession with Jews.

    Humanity advanced with freedom of speech.

    “The massive closing down of freedom of speech to protect Jewish bigwigs is destroying the human mind and our planet.”

    That would be your opinion.

    “Jewish Zionist Advisors have been instigating the big wars since 1914.”

    Again, those world war wars were the result of several mitigating factors.

    “Even the Rothschilds admitted in the 19th century that wars were created for their benefit in Europe of that time.”

    Sources?

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @annamaria
  641. His reply was not well thought out. Should have just replied “I agree.” then delete the original email. There is no use trying to reason with a true believer. Such as discussing the man made geo-engineering of weather with a Greta Carbo.

    The email was probably sent with the intent to smoke out someone who doesn’t swallow the holohoax line. The author probably got a gold star for their effort. Like a fighter pilot and their kills.

    Jews were in the higher ranks of the Nazi Party, and over half of the Third Reich Wehrmacht Officer corps were Jewish enough to qualify for the Final Solution. The architects of “The Final Solution”, Himmler and Eichmann were Jews. None wore yellow stars nor died in death camps. Many died on the Eastern Front fighting the Soviets led by (((Bolsheviks))), but not in German slave labor, or “death”, camps.

  642. @S

    You seem to be under the impression the U.S. Civil War was “about” slavery. That’s the myth. I suggest you read the original text of Abraham Lincoln’s First Inaugural Address. Here are the relevant quotes from that speech to congress on the eve of the war:

    Paragraphs 3 and 4:

    [MORE]

    “Apprehension seems to exist among the people of the Southern States, that by the accession of a Republican Administration, their property, and their peace, and personal security, are to be endangered. There has never been any reasonable cause for such apprehension. Indeed, the most ample evidence to the contrary has all the while existed, and been open to their inspection. It is found in nearly all the published speeches of him who now addresses you. I do but quote from one of those speeches when I declare that “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.” Those who nominated and elected me did so with full knowledge that I had made this, and many similar declarations, and had never recanted them. And more than this, they placed in the platform, for my acceptance, and as a law to themselves, and to me, the clear and emphatic resolution which I now read:

    Resolved, That the maintenance inviolate of the rights of the States, and especially the right of each State to order and control its own domestic institutions according to its own judgment exclusively, is essential to that balance of power on which the perfection and endurance of our political fabric depend; and we denounce the lawless invasion by armed force of the soil of any State or Territory, no matter what pretext, as among the gravest of crimes.”

    Paragraph 16:

    It follows from these views that no State, upon its own mere motion, can lawfully get out of the Union, — that resolves and ordinances to that effect are legally void, and that acts of violence, within any State or States, against the authority of the United States, are insurrectionary or revolutionary, according to circumstances.

    Paragraph 18:
    In doing this there needs to be no bloodshed or violence; and there shall be none, unless it be forced upon the national authority. The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the government, and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion — no using of force against or among the people anywhere. Where hostility to the United States in any interior locality, shall be so great and so universal, as to prevent competent resident citizens from holding the Federal offices, there will be no attempt to force obnoxious strangers among the people for that object. While the strict legal right may exist in the government to enforce the exercise of these offices, the attempt to do so would be so irritating, and so nearly impracticable with all, that I deem it better to forego, for the time, the uses of such offices.

    Did you get that? The war was a tax rebellion (“and to collect the duties and imposts”) Nobody goes to war to free someone else’s slaves. Nobody goes to war to do something nice for someone else. But lots of governments have gone to war against their own people to collect taxes.

    Beware: Wikipedia now selectively summarizes the speech to perpetuate the slavery myth. Check the real speech at abrahamlincolnonline.

    http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/1inaug.htm

    The purpose of the myth is the paint the U.S. war machine as a noble endeavor. We kill to make the world a better place.

    • Replies: @S
  643. S says:
    @Saggy

    What the ‘cheap labor’/mass immigration thing has always been about in reality..ie divide and conquer, divide and rule, all whilst making a pretty penny from the value of the labor being systematically stolen from the wage slaves (ie the so called ‘cheap labor’).

    From pg 4 of a 2003 academic professor written by two professors:

    ..’the immigrants usually serve three main functions: cheap labor to replace native groups; settlement on the ‘frontier’ (periphery); and control over the natives and their land (Stasiulis and Yuval-Davis. These dynamics generally result in the maintenance of hegemony..’

    https://www.academia.edu/2116622/Between_urban_and_national_45_Political_mobilization_among_46_Mizrahim_in_Israel_s_development_4847_towns_

  644. Ahoy says:

    In Albert Speer’s book “Inside the Third Reich”, New York edition, 1968, there is a black and white photo of Herr and Frau Kissinger with little Henry in Hamburg, waiting for the Liner to New York, circa 1939.

    Tell me Fran Taubman, wasn’t Hitler rounding Jews in 1939??

  645. @Corvinus

    No propaganda, just documentary proof.

    You people are like mindless automatons, you keep repeating your own lies, to affirm to yourself that everything is still fine.

    What documentation are you talking about? The one Hilberg could not produce, so he had to revise his book, this evil revisionist?

    The tooth fairy is also well documented, with movies and good night tales.

    • Agree: annamaria
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  646. @Anon

    You may already recognize this, but, my impression is Corvinus tends to be an obscurantist (i.e. someone who doesn’t want to be confused by the facts), so as with having a dialog with any obscurantist you’ll never get to a satisfactory conclusion for him.

    Your dime, your time.

    Carry on.

  647. OEMElT, ecetera wisely noted: “You may already recognize this, but, my impression is Corvinus tends to be an obscurantist…”

    As U.R. Co-Grand Obfuscators, Incitatus & Sam Shama, are presently listed as “Missing in Action” (MIA), Corvinus is making his bid for the title. 🙄

    • Replies: @Erebus
    , @Oemikitlob
    , @Corvinus
  648. Erebus says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Let’s call these six points the “elements of the crime.”

    When one so calls them, and sticks to those salient points, the Holocaust™ vaporizes and drifts away on the prevailing breeze.

    What’s the difference between a Holocaust™ without those points and a mythical Holocaust™, or even no Holocaust™ at all?

    The answer is that it belongs in the domain of tribal lore.

    Memetically powerful, yes, but nothing besides. Those unaffected by its memetic power may well be astonished, or at least bemused by the fuss, but it defines the world for those under its memetic spell. You can no more argue its salient points with them than discuss the merits of Buddhism with a medieval peasant.

  649. gsjackson says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I’m confused. You do or do not know you’re being put on?

  650. @gsjackson

    Psst, don’t destroy the fun show please, his hubris doesn’t let him realize it.

  651. Robjil says:
    @Corvinus

    Here is how the Rothschilds got into the war business.

    https://newspunch.com/rothschilds-love-war/

    Some historians then claim the Rothschilds were involved in the first big episode of banks financing both sides in a war, when, according to Robert McNair Wilson, the author of “Promise to Pay,” the banks in London gave Napoleon 5 million pounds to give it a second go at Waterloo. Even though the odds of Napoleon winning were low, historically the defeated nation would have to make good on the debts it owed to international financiers, as happened again with Germany after World War I and World War II. The financiers always win.

    War is how the Rothschilds got rich.

    Most historians agree, however, that the Rothschild family, because of its war dealings, became the wealthiest dynasty in the 19th century, and many estimates still rank it in the top tier of the wealthiest families today. And although other names are more popular in international finance in the 21st century, is it merely a coincidence that the Rothschild-owned The Economist newspaper always favors war over peaceful solutions, whether it be in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, or Syria?

    It is still going on with the destruction of the Middle East and now Europe with refugees from these wars fleeing to Europe.

    Hillary ran on a war platform. The MSM loves war so it was pro-Hillary. Trump did not run on the war platform but our government is Rothschild banking run, so the game continues.

    What has changed today? Unfortunately, nothing substantial. The people still don’t want war; however, the international banking cartel still finds it to be one of the most profitable enterprises to finance, and thus frequently pushes for it in the mainstream media and contributes generously to politicians who support war.

    In the last presidential election, Hillary Clinton ran on a platform of escalating the conflicts with Russia in Syria and Ukraine, and she received millions in donations and speaking fees from large banks.

    Two well known quotes of the Rothschild’s bragging about their power.

    “Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes it’s laws.” — Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

    “If my sons did not want wars, there would be none.” Gutle Schnaper Rothschild

    The song ” If I was rich man” in Fiddler on the Roof was originally ” If I was a Rothschild”. Many Jews know that only the Rothschilds had the power to make money. So a “rich” man is a nothing. The rich man thing was changed for Gentile and non-knowing Jewish ears.

    https://www.songfacts.com/facts/cast-of-fiddler-on-the-roof/if-i-were-a-rich-man

    Fiddler on the Roof was based on Yiddish author Sholem Aleichem’s series of short stories about Tevye the Dairyman, and this song in particular was inspired by the 1899 short story “The Bubble Bursts” and the 1902 monologue “If I were a Rothschild.” The Rothschilds were a wealthy family who amassed a fortune in the international banking business.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  652. Erebus says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    As U.R. Co-Grand Obfuscators, Incitatus & Sam Shama, are presently listed as “Missing in Action” (MIA), Corvinus is making his bid for the title.

    Frankly, I miss Sam.

    He was a pro, underpinning his obfuscations with solid knowledge & thinking in non-obfuscatory fields. Incitatus did his best to keep up, but the talent that’s bred in the bone inevitably outs in the flesh and (IMHO) he invariably fell short of the mark.

    Corvinus, of course, is but a blurry shadow of both, and his attempts at replacing them serves only to highlight their absence. Subtracting from the sum of human knowledge whenever he starts typing, we’re all the poorer for having having read his tracts.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • LOL: Rurik, Iris
    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Corvinus
  653. annamaria says:
    @Corvinus

    ” That is a fact, not an assertion.”
    — Until your tribe continues putting historians to prison for honest research in WWII and until your ADL thugs continue assaulting honest historians in WWII, there are no facts but holohoax industry. All you have is the fraud of Eli Wiesel.

    If you want to insist on facts, read the documentary “Two Hundered Years Together,” which explains in plain language the enormous crimes the Jewish Bolsheviks committed in Russia, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan.

    Does Holodomor ring anything for you? It should. Lazar Kaganovich was a communist party boss in Ukraine during the mass-murder operation; 80% of the secret police was Jewish.

    On January 13, 2010, Kiev Appellate Court posthumously found Lazar Kaganovich guilty of genocide against Ukrainians for his participation in the 1932-33 Holodomor.

    https://holodomorinfo.com/tag/lazar-kaganovich/
    Have you heard about the GULAG? Then you should know about the main organizers of the killing fields.
    Naftaly Aronovich Frenkel (was born in Haifa, though the zionized Wikipedia identifies him as “Russian”) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naftaly_Frenkel

    Frenkel personally invented the notorious you-eat-as-you-work system, also known as the nourishment scale, which destroyed weaker prisoners in weeks and would later cause uncounted casualties

    Matvei Davidovich Berman” helped develop the GULAG system of camps… From 1932 to 1937 he was head of the GULAG.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matvei_Berman

    They were Jewish mass murderers. Their progeny continue their nefarious ways by murdering Palestinians. Other East European Jews have been extraordinarily active in pushing towards the ongoing mass slaughter in the Middle East; see Iraq, Libya, and Syria. These countries have been ruined by the Wars for Israel.

    You should also consider the role of zionists in the revival of neo-Nazism in Ukraine. Mrs. Nuland-Kagan is a prime example of tight cooperation of zionists with neo-Nazi.

    The main sponsor of the current Jewish president of Ukraine is certain Mr. Kolomojsky (a felon and Israeli-Ukrainian citizen), who was particularly prominent in financing the neo-Nazi battalion Azov.

    The Jewish State itself has been arming the neo-Nazi formations in Ukraine.
    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/11/17/blowback-us-funded-ukraine-neo-nazis-mentor-us-white-supremacists/
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727
    So much for holohoax industry.

    • Agree: Robjil, Truth3
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  654. annamaria says:
    @Corvinus

    “Humanity advanced with freedom of speech.”
    — Have you read the above article? One cannot speak about Jews or a swift punishment would follow.
    “Texas city refuses to give people hurricane aid unless they pledge not to boycott Israel:” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/texas-hurricane-aid-dickinson-israel-boycott-pledge-harvey-financial-help-free-speech-a8011141.html

  655. @ChuckOrloski

    I really should consider changing my username…

  656. Well I thought so from the start but Rurik is adamant he doesn’t do sarcasm. Trust a Rurik … Hmm? You never know, he could just be relaying what his rabbi tells him.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  657. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda"] says:
    @Wally

    This is funny, let me hone in on this a bit.

    Where’s your proof that they are “missing”?

    They did not show up for roll call.
    They did not show up for dinner.
    No one could find them.

    When relatives were in DP camps they could not locate their missing family members, or find their names listed anywhere.
    The people in DP camps went to other countries, the US, Israel, South America and never heard from those family members again. Brothers, sisters, parents, uncles, aunts and cousins.

    Villages that were deported had huge extended families.
    Go find then Wally if they were not murdered the should be somewhere. I can give you a list. Find out where they settled and what happened to them.

    Let me try to direct you to reality. You go to family wedding and like 2 people show up from the 100 that were invited. No one can find the missing 88. You report it to the police. You go to their homes, their neighbors and no one can find them. You put out an ABP talk to Interpol and the FBI.
    You know the TV show without a trace. That’s it.

    Let me give you another example. You go to dinner in your home and you wife, or child does not show up. You go looking nothing, no one can find them.

    And guess what Wally THERE ARE NO BODIES FOUND!!!!! Get it now. Nothing like the obvious.
    People never saw their family members again, without a trace and no body is found. Go find them.
    Where they are buried we can give you 4.5 million names and I promised you, you will come up empty.
    My guess is that they were killed right where they entered the camp with their family. What is your guess. Did they go to another planet.

  658. Theodore says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You’re just inventing people now. It’s not even in the realm of anecdotes. You’re just making up things that literally never happened.

    Here is short article which appeared on 24 November 1978 in an American newspaper, The State Time, Baton Rouge/Louisiana, illustrates better than long and complicated statistics what really happened to the missing Jews:

    “The Steinbergs once flourished in a small Jewish village in Poland. This was before Hitler’s death camps. Now more than 200 far-flung survivors and descendants are gathered here to share a special four-day celebration that began appropriately on Thanksgiving day. Relatives came Thursday from Canada, France, England, Argentina, Columbia, Israel and from at least 13 cities in the United States. “It’s fabulous”, said Iris Krasnow from Chicago. “There are five generations here — from three months old to 85. People are crying and having a wonderful time. It’s almost like a World War II refugee reunion.”

    This is the answer to the question: “What happened to the Jews if they were not gassed?”

    THERE ARE NO BODIES FOUND

    No such thing as magic. No such thing as an undetectable mass grave. No such thing as millions of pounds of burnt remains magically disappearing simply by being covered in a layer of soil.

    You have a literal religious belief in this story. Remember: “Holocaust deniers” claim hundreds of thousands of people perished in the camps, based on the actual records.
    You’re not thinking logically here. You are inventing anecdotes out of thin air to prove your beliefs correct.
    You are too emotionally invested in this topic to have a sober discussion on it.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  659. anon[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You go to family wedding and like 2 people show up from the 100 that were invited. No one can find the missing 88

    You mean to tell me Hitler was invited, or is this Holocaust™ maths?

  660. Rurik says:
    @Commentator Mike

    adamant he doesn’t do sarcasm

    there is NOTHING worse than sarcasm!

    All this hubbub about Holocaust this and gas chambers that..

    but if you want to know what is truly egregious, it is people who practice sarcasm!

    Wry, sardonic, irony-based irreverence!

    it’s worse than six million Ann Frank ball point pens writing about geysers of blood shooting out of chimneys with the ashes of six million lampshades all carefully washed with soap made from shrunken heads!

    Some guy was trying to mock this all with his talk of a ‘ray gun’ developed by Brainiac and given to Hitler in secret.

    That was sarcasm, and it is beyond outrageous.

    I would NEVER, EVER! even consider being reduced to sarcastic outbursts, that only muddle the conversation and make me look foolish and misguided.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  661. @Fran Taubman

    Let me try to direct you to reality. You go to family wedding and like 2 people show up from the 100 that were invited. No one can find the missing 88.

    I hate to break it to you, but you are apparently not even able to do basic math. You do Gematria nonsense magic. Uh, scary, this 88.

    If you invite 100 people, and only two show up, it means 98 people did not come.
    The reason for not showing up might be that they simply hate you and hide from you.

    Another option would be, the 98 know, you are terrible at math, and you only have a table and meals for 10 guests.

    • Replies: @Anon
  662. S says:
    @flashlight joe

    You seem to be under the impression the U.S. Civil War was “about” slavery. That’s the myth.

    I’m familiar with the tariff issue. As for Lincoln, slavery, and race, he said many things, often contradictory. He was a politician.

    [MORE]

    In regards to the Civil War and what I’m about to say, bear in mind, the historic slave dealers of the northeast, the spiritual and political forebears of today’s self-described ‘progressives’ and, or, ‘liberals’, and hangers on, won the US Civil War. They are still in power today. They write the history; they write the narrative.

    I’d go so far as to say that the evidence is abundant (even overwhelming) that slavery on both sides, north and south, was a major cause, if not the primary cause, of the war..ie the North’s competing wage slave system (so called cheap labor/mass immigration) vs the South’s entrenched chattel slave system.

    In each instance this was driven by a desire not to pay the prevailing real time local costs of labor, typically to their own, then largely Anglo-Saxon people.

    It was that costly and expensive chattel slave labor which picked the cotton, which in turn fed northern textile mills, greatly inflating the cost of northern cloth products for the world markets, making them less profitable and competitive to sell.

    I’ll throw out some points regarding that. If interested, the linked original source materials can be found by searching some of my past entries

    * In the years immediately preceding and during the War itself the term ‘cheap labor’ literally disappeared from the U.S. corporate media, the term ‘cheap’ being replaced with ‘free’, as in ‘free labor’..ie this ‘immigrant’ is a ‘free’ man as opposed to a chattel slave. After the war the term ‘cheap labor’ was returned back to it’s common usage except (!) if it involves the U.S. Civil War.

    * The same Massachusetts based Lawrence family of textile factory magnates which financed the construction of Lawrence ‘Immigrant City’, Mass, also financed the construction of the infamous Lawrence, Kansas, as a base for abolitionist in ‘bleeding KS’. Bleeding KS has long been seen as a microcosm of the coming US Civil War [Elizabeth Warren IIRC launched her campaign from Lawrence, Mass; they dote upon their slaves.]

    * In his 1858 speech entitled ‘Freedom in Kansas’ US senator Henry Seward outlined the history of the conflict between ‘free labor’ and ‘chattel slave labor’ in the US since the country’s founding, and spoke of labor from Europe being ‘cheaper’. [Note: Seward was careful not to mention the Chinese ‘cheap labor’ even then already being ‘imported’ by the tens of thousands into the US via the backdoor of California, or that there were, and are, quite real differences amongst the various European peoples.

    * US Brigadier General Phelps in 1861 in a proclamation from Shipp Island, Mississippi, to the ‘loyal people of the Southwest’, specifically states a primary reason for the war is the North’ s desire to import ‘immigrants’ from Europe into the South. [Like Seward, he cynically emphasis that these people are ‘White’, but fails to mention they’re already importing large numbers of Chinese into California, or that there’s real differences amongst Europeans]

    * In 1863 the financial representative of the Lincoln administration in London, Robert Walker, wrote an open letter to the U.S. public attempting to explain from an economic view point why the United States had to fight and prosecute the war against the South, stating that Massachusetts ‘free’ labor (largely ‘immigrant’) was four times more profitable/efficient than South Carolina’s largely chattel slave labor. He had economic calculations which he presented to demonstrate that this was the case.

    Below is written in a 1908 book (linked below on pg 12-13) by a person whose family was one of the ‘4000’ which ruled over the US South. Three thousand of these families were major slave holders. They were allied with one thousand business owning families.

    She (Eliza Andrews) says in words what the more commercially oriented Robert Walker had said in numbers.

    ‘It was..a question of dollars and cents.’

    Our Southern States, being still in the agricultural stage, on account of our practical monopoly of the world’s chief textile staple, were the last of the great civilized nations to find chattel slavery less profitable than wage slavery, and hence the “great moral crusade” of the North against the perverse and unregenerate South.

    It was a pure case of economic determinism, which means that our great moral conflict reduces itself, in the last analysis, to a question of dollars and cents, though the real issue was so obscured by other considerations that we of the South honestly believe to this day that we were fighting for States Rights, while the North is equally honest in the conviction that it was engaged in a magnanimous struggle to free the slave.

    By the way, after the war in 1869, some two hundred and fifty years after a Dutch ship had first delivered chattel slaves to Jamestown in 1619, the Dutch ‘labor contractor’ Cornelius Koopmanschap with his half (or possibly entirely) Jewish business partner in Hong Kong, Maurice Bosman, announced plans to import one hundred thousand wage slaves (ie so called ‘cheap labor’) from China into the United States to work the southern plantations. The southern plantation owners were said to be quite enthusiastic about this.

    The North’s wage slavery (‘cheap labor’/mass immigration) system as represented then by the Lawrence family of Mass, and people today such as Elizabeth Warren, had won out over the South’s chattel slave system after all.

    The big loser in this then was the still predominant everyday Anglo-Saxon, and today, the wage slavery system having since gone viral, the everyday European.

    The new boss, same as the old boss.

    https://matteroffact.tv/lawrence-mass-immigrant-city/

    https://www.nytimes.com/1869/07/21/archives/koopmanschap-who-he-is-what-he-has-done-and-what-he-proposes-to-do.html?mtrref=r.search.yahoo.com&gwh=C0BDC3BBCDFD9015DA7656A295008501&gwt=pay

    https://docsouth.unc.edu/fpn/andrews/andrews.html

  663. FB says: • Website
    @Wally

    Hey moron…the real world doesn’t work that way…

    Where are the 300 corpses of flight MH370…?

    Not a single one has been found, but they are of course long presumed dead…same thing with anyone who vanishes at sea…the police have many persons presumed dead…in the thousands…whose bodies have never been found…

    You have only proved what a weak-minded retard you are…

    Like Linda said…many of those survivors lost their entire family…I personally knew old folks like that in my own neighborhood, growing up…they spent their waning days sitting alone in a little room, surrounded by old photographs of the sons and daughters, and brothers and sisters they had lost…

    It wasn’t just Jews…travel anywhere in eastern Europe and you will find plenty of people who still remember…or remember those who did…

    During the 1980s, while traveling through eastern Europe I had the opportunity to speak to a Czech woman who survived being thrown in a pit with hundreds of executed villagers…she told me she survived because some kind-hearted shepherd heard her cries and would throw her some bread…she would lick the dew on the stone walls of the pit in order to get moisture…she was seven at the time and she survived like that for six weeks before she could be rescued…

    That village has a monument with hundreds of names inscribed in copper, of those brutally murdered by Nazi scum…there are thousands of villages like that…the Russians lost 20 million civilians…most of the just lined up and shot like the residents of that little village…

    It’s really shameful that shitheads like you now start slinging crapola about people who were murdered by the Nazi scum…

    You think you and your losers at codoh are proving something with your incessant diarrhea…?

    You are sick haters…nothing more…nothing less…

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @annamaria
    , @Theodore
    , @Wally
  664. FB says: • Website
    @turtle

    Look man…you come across as generally intelligent but now you are squirting wet farts with this nonsense…

    What did the Nazis do with the five million Russian POWs that became corpses…where are they now….

    Frankly Mike is above your pay grade…and your irritation bears that out.

    • Replies: @turtle
  665. @Rurik

    Some guy was trying to mock this all with his talk of a ‘ray gun’ developed by Brainiac and given to Hitler in secret.

    It is well documented on wikipedia, that the Brainiac uses a shrinking ray gun.
    Well, the detail of Brainiac giving Hitler the gun is still being researched, but there is strong witness testimony that he did.

    In some continuities, he is also responsible for Krypton’s destruction.

    The character has created devices such as a force field belt capable of withstanding Superman’s most powerful blows,[3] and a shrinking ray capable of reducing cities.[3] All versions of him are also technopathic.

    The evil Brainiac might have technopathically transmitted the blueprint of his shrinking ray gun to Hitler! Raul Hilberg suspects this was the case.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  666. annamaria says:
    @FB

    So when the Soviets “documented” the impossible arrangements in the concentration camps it was wonderful (and cannot be questioned, otherwise “antisemitism”), but when Solzhenitsyn DOCUMENTED the Jewish crimes in Russia, the zionists have promptly banned the documentary “Two Hundred Years Together.”

    Too many Bill Browders among your ilk, “FB.” If you are so certain about the Soviet documentation, then why you and the profiteering crowd of holohoax survivors (ever-growing in numbers) and the bloody warmongering zionists are so hysterical about honest research in WWII?

    The Jewish State cooperation with neo-Nazi in Ukraine is well documented. The US support for Ukrainian neo-nazi is well documented. If you are looking for holohoax-deniers, look no farther than Israel and the ADL and Simon Wiesenthal Center. https://portside.org/2014-11-20/how-israel-lobby-protected-ukrainian-neo-nazis “How the Israel Lobby Protected Ukrainian Neo-Nazis”

  667. @Commentator Mike

    For the sake of argument, even if one grants that the event at Babi Yar occurred, that link is a very weak apologia, imho.

    The three questionable items that jumped out at me just from a cursory reading are:

    1) Note that the author writes that while the Soviets did not retain precise location data (possible, but seemingly unlikely. I can’t think of a sound reason why they wouldn’t for something of that nature) ~1 year after the Germans (who almost certainly would have given their reputation for meticulousness), the area isn’t what “deniers” claim.

    2) Given 1) above, note that the author has made it sound as if this location could only be “divined” by the “academics” and not a “lay-person” such as Ball. If the author is so certain that Ball is in error re: the area due to the conditions that allegedly obtained that prevented Ball from correctly ascertaining the correct area, by what logic does the author err on the side of the academics? Is it not possible they are in error and Ball is correct? If not, why not?

    It seems as if in attempting to buttress his argument in favor of the “academics”, he contradicts himself. It really looks like a case of sleight of mind. It’s somewhat subtle, but noticeable.

    3) Given 1) & 2) the apologia is actually an informal logic fallacy: the argument from authority; the “academics” are the wise-men and therefore must be correct.

    I don’t see why any reasonably intelligent person should be compelled to accept the authors premise or conclusion.

    • Replies: @Oemikitlob
    , @Fran Taubman
  668. Rurik says:
    @FB

    the Russians lost 20 million civilians…

    Most Russians murdered in the 20th century, were murdered by their own ((government)).

    The tragic lesson of the Holocaust is that humanity didn’t learn the lesson.

    And that is that ALL life is sacred. Jewish life, Russian life, German life, and even Palestinian life.

    What I find so viscerally nauseating about the whole -beat-to-death- Holocaust narrative, is that somehow we’re all hectored and bludgeoned to consider Jewish lives as somehow more sacred and worthy than Russian or Ukrainian or German or Palestinian civilian’s lives-

    -as morally smug and sanctimonious Jewish supremacists are all crying boo-hoo-hoo, about their lost loved ones, as they slaughter and butcher Arabs with murderous, genocidal zeal right now, going on today.

    If they gave a fuck about the sanctity of life, then they’d show it.

    But instead, all they show is that they’re so megalomaniacaly obsessed with thier idiotic delusion that they’re somehow sooo special, that they want us all to treat their deaths as something uniquely historic, when it wasn’t.

    They declared war on Germany, and intended (with plans all drawn up) to genocide the German people off the planet. Indeed, they were somewhat successful in that regard. Would it be any wonder if the German people tried to return the favor? It seems to me the Germans had amazing forbearance. Would you condemn a Palestinian for wanting to gas every last Jewish supremacist that had slaughtered his family and were living in his house and menacing his oppressed people and openly calling for their genocide?

    The Jewish supremacists brought on themselves their own suffering. All any Jew had to do is side with Germany during that war, and they’d have been left unmolested. Many thousands of Jews fought honorable in the German army. But many others sought the destruction of Germany, and so they were rightly put into camps. Just like America did with the Japanese.

    Some died. Scores of millions of non-Jews died in that conflagration that was brought about by the sinister and genocidal intrigues of Jewish supremacist$. And if every fucking one of those died in a gas chamber, (just like the ones foisting the wars today) then I’d have said ‘Hell yes!

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @FB
  669. annamaria says:
    @FB

    Your attempts at shaming the readers are ridiculous. The zionists constitute the most disgusting group in modern history because zionists commit their crimes while squealing about very special Jewish victimhood.

    What is special, indeed, is the shamelessness of the tribe, considering the enormous crimes committed by Jewish Bolsheviks in Russia and Eastern Europe at large during the 20th century and the waging the Wars for Israel by US/EU zionists in the Middle East this century.

    Samples for “FB”
    Bela Cun: https://www.deathofcommunism.com/bela-kun/
    Rozalia Zalkind: https://enigmachannel.wordpress.com/2015/06/10/the-worlds-most-evil-woman/

    There is another war brewing in the Middle East, this time a war against Iran — as if the millions of the innocent who died in Iraq, Libya, and Syria are not enough for the warmongers. https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2019/07/newt-gingrich-once-explained-to-me-the-basis-against-which-japan-decided-to-go-to-war-against-the-united-states-had-much-to-d.html
    ‘The psychopath, the puppet and the princeling’: Preparing PR for war on Iran,” https://renegadeinc.com/psychopath-puppet-princeling-israel-us-saudi-arabia-preparing-public-opinion-war-iran/

    In the coming months, we can expect to witness an increasing number of speeches and articles demonizing Iran, along with a growing number of ‘serious incidents’, that will be used to justify reneging on the nuclear deal. The phony war on Iran has entered a new phase. The Likud party led by Netanyahu, the Trump administration, supported by the Wahhabi backed princeling in Riyadh…have absolutely no interest in collaborative solutions in the Middle East. Their goal is regime change.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @renfro
  670. Rurik says:
    @Germanicus

    The evil Brainiac might have technopathically transmitted the blueprint of his shrinking ray gun to Hitler

    First of all, Brainiac is not evil, he’s just misunderstood.

    And secondly, the blueprint for the shrinking ray gun was flawed. Hitler received it by secret courier, (Hitler’s telepathy was good, but not up to Brainiac’s level).

    But the courier dropped the satchel, and the plans were smudged, so the ray gun blueprint sat on a shelf. (such are the slings and arrows of misfortune during wartime).

  671. @Rurik

    Ron Unz has placed “The International Jew: The World’s Foremost Problem” in the Featured Book box.
    https://www.unz.com/book/henry_ford__the-international-jew/

    I just read Chapter 2, “Germany’s Reaction Against the Jew”

    The Dearborn nailed it!

    Why is this not taught in every American school?

    What’s that old saw — something about not knowing history — doomed to repeat it?

    • Replies: @Oemikitlob
    , @Rurik
  672. @Oemikitlob

    …where “deniers” claim, in 1) above.

  673. FB says: • Website
    @Rurik

    Most Russians murdered in the 20th century, were murdered by their own ((government)).

    First off that’s western propaganda with which fools like yourself are indoctrinated…

    Second are you denying the Nazi scum killed 20 million Russian civilians…if so then go fuck yourself…

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Truth3
  674. First of all, Brainiac is not evil, he’s just misunderstood.

    Are you a Brainiac lover, a Brainzi?

    Sarcasm? NEVER AGAIN!!!

  675. FB says: • Website
    @annamaria

    Fuck you and your horseshit…I’m getting sick of you Nazi worms…

    The Nazis exterminated millions of Slavic children, women, old folks etc…in the most cowardly manner…

    They had a detailed plan to exterminate the Slavic race and settle ‘superior’ Germans on Slavic land…only it was the Germans that turned out to be inferior when it came to actual fighting…

    The Jews don’t bother me…why should they…other than Israeli actions today…

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @annamaria
  676. Rurik says:
    @FB

    Such language.

    Temper, temper. 😉

    The ‘Nazi scum’ you’re referring to, would never have had any reason to march into Bolshevik Russia, had not the Jewish supremacists having grabbed that nation by the hair of its head, and used the Russian people as cannon fodder to wreak death and horrors all over the region. As Annamaria just pointed out, in places like Hungary, where your darling Kun instituted a reign of murderous, Jewish supremacist terror on the Hungarian people.

    Or perhaps being the myopic, agenda-driven asshat that you are, you’d deny that one too?

    Had there been no genocidal Bolsheviks running Russia, hell bent on Old Testament atrocities writ large all over the region, then Uncle Adolf would have been happy to leave them alone.

    For the record. (I never expect much self-reflection from an asshat like yourself ; )

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Parfois1
  677. @SolontoCroesus

    “Why is this not taught in every American school?”

    Feelings and not enough safe spaces?

    In all seriousness though, read anything by John Taylor Gatto and you’ll understand why. I recommend starting with “Underground History”.

  678. Theodore says:
    @FB

    Where are the 300 corpses of flight MH370…?

    Do you claim to know exactly where these corpses are, down to the exact meter?

    Because it is claimed that we know exactly where the remains of hundreds of thousands of Jews are, down to the exact meter. Unfortunately, nobody has yet proven they actually exist in these supposedly precisely known locations!

    In fact, you could win $100,000 for proving it.

    Check out:
    http://www.nafcash.com/

  679. Wally says:
    @Fran Taubman

    So where’s the original of this alleged English translation that anyone make up?

    Also remember,  your Michael Berenbaum & so called “holocaust” historians profit from the scam. They are certainly not unbiased authorities.

    See shyster Berenbaum shredded here:
    https://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=berenbaum&fid%5B0%5D=2

    recommended:
    ‘What Happened at Babi Yar? Fact vs. Myth’
    Using air photos and wartime newspapers, Ukrainian writer MICHAEL NIKIFORUK attacks a few myths about a wartime atrocity.
    http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/BabiYar/Nikiforuk.html
    and:
    ‘ Babi Yar: Critical Questions and Comments’
    http://codoh.com/library/document/920/?lang=en
    Bodies at Babi Yar, John Gibbons Reporting
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7302
    ‘Babi Yar ‘massacre’ debunked’: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=41
    ‘Bogus alleged ‘conversation’ about Babi Yar’ http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=345
    BTW:
    There is a mountain of documentary evidence and eyewitness accounts proving that witchcraft & sorcery were fact. See:
    Witchcraft Documents, Testimony, Eyewitnesses: http://salem.lib.virginia.edu/home.html

  680. FB says: • Website
    @Rurik

    Buzz off already you illiterate moron…I’m not interested in ‘Judeo Bolshevik’ fantasies from a street turd…

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @turtle
    , @annamaria
  681. Wally says:
    @Commentator Mike

    That link is your best shot? LOL The others have already demolished it, but I’ll pile on anyway.

    If you think the bodies were magically made to disappear then why did Jews recently stage an excavation and found absolutely nothing. Zero, nada.
    see:
    Excavation Result: No Enormous Human Remains as Alleged at Babi Yar … of course: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11314

    former Einsatzgruppen Members Reject Bizarre Claims of Mass Shootings / Babi Yar, etc.
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11396

    BTW: You dodged my comments in #302. We know why.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  682. Truth3 says:
    @FB

    What the Jews want is to use a false history to give them license to do whatever they want.

    Simple as that.

    Hypocrisy if you refuse to admit it.

    But then, Jesus called the Pharisees Hypocrites to their faces, with vigor.

    Time that Christians do the same regarding Jews.

  683. Brewer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    More than 20 million people went missing during WWII. Your insistence that the missing are evidence of mass killing is not entailed by the known facts.
    When you consider the numbers that decamped, adopted false identities (nearly all Israelis have changed their names from their original European handles) it is small wonder that families became separated.
    Between 1944 and 1948 about 31 million people, including ethnic Germans as well as German citizens, were forced from Central and Eastern Europe. By 1950, a total of approximately 12 million Germans had fled or were expelled from east-central Europe into Allied-occupied Germany and Austria. The West German government put the total at 14.6 million. Around 2.5 million died as a result – no extermination program involved.

  684. turtle says:
    @FB

    What pay grade is that?
    Obviously, not an airline pilot such as yourself.
    I know, I know, “If you ain’t a pilot, you ain’t shit” (at least in the USAF).
    I notice you are big on numbers on your website.
    Got a problem with math in other contexts?

    What did the Nazis do with the five million Russian POWs that became corpses…where are they now….

    Beats me. But they didn’t just fly away.
    No doubt their loved ones might like to know what happened to them.
    Maybe even visit their graves, if such could be found.

    How about the Germans who died on the Eastern front?
    Same thing, I’d say. But, maybe you disagree.
    Or the Americans, British, or any other nationality, soldiers or civilians, who went missing and were presumed KIA in the long run? Gruesome possibilities are endless. I’ll not go there, in order to stay on topic.

    Look, I’ll spell it out for you.
    There are people here who claim the Nazis never murdered anyone, or only murdered a few people, who probably deserved to die anyway.
    I am not one of those people.

    An earlier post in this thread referenced an “academic” publication by a professor of mathematical biology which asserted that the Nazis killed people at much faster rate than previously claimed, based on such things as railway records, I gather.
    I am not a biologist, mathematical or otherwise.
    I do have an academic background in physical sciences, specifically physical chemistry, and engineering, specifically civil engineering, and construction.
    I have spent my life building things, as opposed to destroying them.

    If the professor of biology is correct, then the corpses had to go somewhere.
    Most likely, they were either buried or burned.
    Either way, it is possible to estimate the scale of the operation necessary to dispose of the remains.
    As this is not my life’s work, I considered only the possibility of mass graves.
    It interested me to do an “order of magnitude” calculation to see if the biologist’s assertion was, in fact, physically possible. Did I say it was physically impossible? No, I did not.
    Anyone who claims I did so is putting words in my mouth, and impugning my character thereby. I will thank anyone so inclined not to do that, even on an anonymous website.

    You know damned well there are, have been, and will be, people here who will form an opinion, pro or con, on this or many other topics, without considering the available facts, and proceed to vomit their uninformed opinions, usually intertwined with negative value judgments and ad hominem epithets. For such people, I say, check it out for yourself. Do not rely uncritically on the testimony of “experts,” self-appointed or otherwise. Do your homework, ask questions, reason for yourself, and draw your own informed conclusions.

    Irritated? Not at all, until you showed up.

  685. anon[925] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m getting sick ..”

    Get some help . Nazi killed , I believe that .Also iz believe Zionist brought it upon themselves form regular looting and destroying that they inflicted on Germany and by mounting boycotts before even Hitler had fired a single shot in the empty room against any imaginary Jewish leader .

  686. Rurik says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    It’s disheartening to read S2C, since it is as you say, history repeating itself.

  687. Corvinus says:
    @Germanicus

    “You people are like mindless automatons, you keep repeating your own lies, to affirm to yourself that everything is still fine.”

    That would characterize precisely those who believe that the Holocaust did not happen.

    “What documentation are you talking about? The one Hilberg could not produce, so he had to revise his book, this evil revisionist?”

    Scores of Jew and non-Jew sources, from eyewitness accounts to documentation to historian interpretations of the events that led to, and are part of, the Holocaust.

  688. Corvinus says:
    @annamaria

    What you have done here is offer a number of red herrings. Furthermore, my “tribe” is white American, NOT Jew. I am goy, pure goy–Polish, Dutch, and German mix, a “mutt”. Regardless, the Holocaust happened.

  689. @Erebus

    Earlier this evening, Erebus, in steamy West Scranton, I met with Passionist Reverend & M.D., Connecticut born, Rick Frachette. He serves in the Haiti-based Diocese of Jeremie. Rick spoke about Haiti’s apocalyptic & living 😟 apocalypse & he described how impoverished young girls have little other choice but to go downtown & take to prostitution. Please take pause a moment from Auschwitz, & refer to stirring article below?

    https://www.weeklystandard.com/matt-labash/love-among-the-ruins

    Yes… this is our western hemisphere, & I am reminded of Graham Greene’s insight about life undertakings when he wrote: “There’s a delicate line between tragedy & farce” and FB’s indelicate rants & cursing at U.R. commenters are both, at max. 🙄
    Fuck him.

    At any rate, as this article comment-thread prolofirates, and good men & women are determinedly interested & debating about how many Jews were killed in WW2 German labor camps, & WHEN YOU HAVE TIME, please consider the sinister political murder of Passionist Reverend Joseph Simply, in Port-au-Prince.

    Fyi, today, Reverend Dr. Frechette described Father Joseph’s funeral and where hundreds of attending Passionist priests were given scrawny guards for protection as revolutionary bandits gathered around the service & desired to seize the corpse & place it in front of the palace. Father Rick joked, “I vowed to guard my poor bodyguard over my dead body.”

    O yea, Erebus. “Teaching (Holocaust) History.” Hm, fascinating & dangerous, but today, in broken Scranton, I got wind of Haiti’s hellhole & Followers of The Way within. Thanks & my respect.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  690. Corvinus says:
    @Erebus

    “Corvinus, of course, is but a blurry shadow of both, and his attempts at replacing them serves only to highlight their absence. Subtracting from the sum of human knowledge whenever he starts typing, we’re all the poorer for having having read his tracts.”

    Actually, I offer insight, something that you willfully refuse to acknowledge. The problem is that you have difficulty keeping up with me moving from rhetoric to dialectic.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  691. Corvinus says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Not an obscurantist, but a wordsmith who employs reason to challenge one’s assumptions and conformation biases.

    • Disagree: ChuckOrloski
  692. Rurik says:
    @FB

    I’m not interested

    then go back to your sandbox and play with your fellow imbeciles

    this is a place for adults, not butt-hurt little crybabies full of themselves.

    If you can’t take the heat, then gargle it, and savor the amazing texture and flavor, and as you swallow, remember to thank me for gracing your otherwise excerable existence with my generous ambrosia.

    You’re welcome. 😉

    • Replies: @chris
  693. turtle says:
    @FB

    Chap. 700
    In which flyboy demonstrates his intellectual prowess..
    F

    Fuck you and your horseshit

    you illiterate moron

    fantasies from a street turd…

    A screaming comes across the sky…

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  694. Corvinus says:
    @Robjil

    Here is what you stated–““Even the Rothschilds admitted in the 19th century that wars were created for their benefit in Europe of that time.”

    You then offer a source that says “Some historians then claim the Rothschilds…”

    Do you have direct quotations from the Rothschilds themselves that admitted they started wars for their benefit?

    See, nations go to war. They need financing. Napoleon sought funds and received them from a bank, which would receive interest on the loan. That is smart business. Perhaps we ought to examine more closely the factors that led Napoleon to desire war, because it was HIS idea to create an empire.

    “War is how the Rothschilds got rich.”

    You mean war is how nations get rich, along with those on the periphery. The quotes you provide offer a glimpse into the mentality of financiers and bankers in general, not just one particular group. Certainly they loaned money to countries who desired war, but they did not start wars. Rather, it is the nations, the leaders of those nations, and the citizens of those nations who support those leaders who desire war who are ultimately culpable.

  695. Corvinus says:
    @Oemikitlob

    “You may already recognize this, but, my impression is Corvinus tends to be an obscurantist (i.e. someone who doesn’t want to be confused by the facts), so as with having a dialog with any obscurantist you’ll never get to a satisfactory conclusion for him.”

    Actually, you are describing those individuals who outright refuse to admit the fact that the Holocaust happened.

    • Replies: @Oemikitlob
  696. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Oemikitlob

    I don’t see why any reasonably intelligent person should be compelled to accept the authors premise or conclusion.

    Oh really and entire population of Jews belong to a village was wiped out, non Jews and Jews were witnesses, the Germans wrote about being so sick that they had to come up with another method of extermination.
    I cannot even write this it is so stupid. Families died, children and mothers holding babies.
    No one has to prove that or show bodies. No way.
    This is a human story and humans can describe it you do not need to do math or soil erosion calculations or water tables.
    That is it.
    EYE WITNESS AND SURVIVORS ARE ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW. People do not lie about an event like that.

    • Troll: Oemikitlob
    • Replies: @kikl
  697. turtle says:
    @Brewer

    Don’t forget the real business of the War is buying and selling. The murdering and the violence are self-policing, and can be entrusted to non-professionals. The mass nature of wartime death is useful in many ways. It serves as spectacle, as diversion from the real movements of the War. It provides raw material to be recorded into History, so that children may be taught History as sequences of violence, battle after battle, and be more prepared for the adult world. Best of all, mass death’s a stimulus to just ordinary folks, little fellows, to try ‘n’ grab a piece of that Pie while they’re still here to gobble it up. The true war is a celebration of markets.
    -Thos. Pynchon, Gravity’s Rainbow

  698. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Theodore

    I am making things up. So if you loose a spouse or a child is that made up?
    Your child and spouse are gone. You showed up somewhere in a camp after transport and they disappear.
    Are you saying that that did not happen? Are you mentally competent, because all the survivors lost scores of their family.
    Oh people resettled after the war. If you lost your child or spouse wouldn’t you spend your life trying to find them. Or the Child and spouse trying to find you.
    THIS IS A HUMAN STORY ABOUT LOSSES THAT PEOPLE SUFFERED THAT CANNOT BE FINESSED OR DESCRIBED AWAY.
    You cannot reason the loss of a human being because that human being is connected to another human being.

    • Replies: @Theodore
  699. annamaria says:
    @FB

    One can always recognize an Israeli by his/her bad manners.
    The nazi worms are all yours — your Nuland-Kagan, your Groisman, your ADL and Simon Wiesenthal, Center and AIPAC, and your Jewish State. The same filth that has been supporting Ukrainian neo-Nazi also has been supporting the fanatical jihadis in Syria.

    Russia suffered the worst from Jewish Bolsheviks who went on exterminating the best and brightest among Russians (the all-inclusive definition for the multi-ethnic Russain society).
    In comparison, Germany contributed greatly to Russain culture, sciences, education, and statesmanship.

    Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (1918-2008), Nobel-Prize-winning novelist, historian, and critic of Communist totalitarianism:

    “You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated the Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the “Russian Revolution.” It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators.”

    The worst genocide in history wasn’t the Holocaust … in fact, it was perpetrated by members of the very same group of people who claim they were the victims of one. And it took the lives of 66 million (Solzhenitsyn’s estimate of those who perished between 1918 and 1957)…

    • Agree: Robjil
    • LOL: FB
  700. @turtle

    Hey turtle!

    👍, on FB. Long ago here, L.K warned me about him. Now, L.K is missing. 🤔

    One more thing. I like to dab into poetry.

    Your last sentence is cool, like T.S. Eliot who I ain’t & prolix, I’d write: FB is “A fucking screamin’ coma comin’ across the commie sky.” 😏

    Thanks & my respect, turtle.

    P.S.: Rocky Balboa kept two turtles, named them Cuff and Link.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
    , @turtle
  701. annamaria says:
    @FB

    Where have you learned such a pedestrian language — in yeshiva? It seems that you sincerely believe in your intellectual and moral supremacy. Wrong belief.

  702. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Brewer

    When you consider the numbers that decamped, adopted false identities (nearly all Israelis have changed their names from their original European handles) it is small wonder that families became separated.

    So let me get this straight, you loose a child during the war, or your mother, or your spouse.
    You mean to say that you are not going to try and find them you are just going to relocate your life and move to on?
    I do not think so, people spend a life time trying to track their missing family members down. You are acting totally illogical and out of bounds for the human experience. These were not soldiers these were whole villages of families. Mothers, fathers, grandparents, aunts and uncles, children and cousins.
    You are out of your mind, and really really stupid. Think you are going to the ends of the earth to find those people and you know what they are gone vanished. I think they were exterminated. That is my best guess since they started out all together with their belongings and luggage and were separated in one space at one time. THINK!!!

    • Replies: @renfro
  703. @Corvinus

    “Actually, you are describing those individuals who outright refuse to admit the fact that the Holocaust happened.”

    I believe this is a disingenuous statement and rephrasing it would make it more accurate.

    It seems that what many people take issue with is that they don’t believe it happened the way they are told it happened, for the reasons they are told it happened, to the extent they are told it happened nor by the parties they are told were solely responsible for it.

    If I am correct I don’t see why their refusal is unreasonable and is actually warranted and prudent.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  704. FB says: • Website
    @turtle

    What did the Nazis do with the five million Russian POWs that became corpses…where are they now….

    Beats me. But they didn’t just fly away.
    No doubt their loved ones might like to know what happened to them.
    Maybe even visit their graves, if such could be found.

    And how does this square with your argument to Mike that he should provide some kind of ‘calculation’ as to the feasibility of burying death camp corpses…?

    Obviously if the bodies of five million Red Army POWs [and many more of other nationalities] were able to be disposed of…and we have no idea where they are today…then what is the logical ground you’re standing on…?

    As for my flaming the little worms here that couldn’t put together half a decent brain between them…glad you enjoyed it…

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  705. renfro says:
    @annamaria

    In the coming months, we can expect to witness an increasing number of speeches and articles demonizing Iran, along with a growing number of ‘serious incidents’, that will be used to justify reneging on the nuclear deal.

    Right….I have just listened to Fox Hannity literally screaming like a crazy person for 15 minutes straight for an attack on Iran….”Iran being the biggest terrorist in the world…. ”Iran biggest threat to Israel and the US ………”promising that Trump will ‘take them out’ and turn them to ash…..he is yelling to the point where he is out of breath. ….”promising no boots on the ground just will bomb Iran out of existence.

    I want everyone to remember that Israel is behind all of this. This will be another Jews war.

    • Replies: @turtle
  706. annamaria says:
    @Corvinus

    The holocaust was extermination by the fire of the civilians in Drezden. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/11410633/Dresden-was-a-civilian-town-with-no-military-significance.-Why-did-we-burn-its-people.html

    in November 1941 the Commander-in-Chief of Bomber Command said he had been intentionally bombing civilians for a year. “I mention this because, for a long time, the Government, for excellent reasons, has preferred the world to think that we still held some scruples and attacked only what the humanitarians are pleased to call Military Targets. I can assure you, gentlemen, that we tolerate no scruples.”

    https://www.economist.com/node/21586520/comments

    …with each passing decade, the numbers of eliminated German women and children during the allied carpet bombings tapers off more and more. From once 350,000 causalities in Dresden we’re now down to 25,000 . . . with each passing year, the “official” numbers dwindle further … until we arrive at ‘zero’.
    Whoever might have started area bombing tactics, the fact is that the targeting for the destruction of entire cities with their whole civilian population emerged in 1944-45 as the centerpiece of Allied warfare. It was an approach of mass destruction of enemy lives combined with minimization of own casualties.
    As a matter of fact, these now ‘legitimized’ murder campaigns in 1944-45 against the German civilian population paved the “moral way” for all similar atrocities that followed . . . from Korea to Vietnam to Iraq . . . and presently Syria. …

    • Replies: @turtle
    , @turtle
  707. Robjil says:
    @Corvinus

    We can’t change the past. We can change what is happening now? The Seven Nations Holocaust. There are lots of Holocausts in history. There is an Holocaust that is happening now for Jewish Israel interests in Middle East. Are you concerned about this Holocaust that is happening now? Or you only concerned about the one that one can’t investigate or examine for its veracity in WWII?

    https://www.haaretz.com/1.4764706

    The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history. Two of them, journalists William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer, say it’s possible. But another journalist, Thomas Friedman (not part of the group), is skeptical

    In the course of the past year, a new belief has emerged in the town: the belief in war against Iraq. That ardent faith was disseminated by a small group of 25 or 30 neoconservatives, almost all of them Jewish, almost all of them intellectuals (a partial list: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Eliot Abrams, Charles Krauthammer), people who are mutual friends and cultivate one another and are convinced that political ideas are a major driving force of history. They believe that the right political idea entails a fusion of morality and force, human rights and grit. The philosophical underpinnings of the Washington neoconservatives are the writings of Machiavelli, Hobbes and Edmund Burke. They also admire Winston Churchill and the policy pursued by Ronald Reagan. They tend to read reality in terms of the failure of the 1930s (Munich) versus the success of the 1980s (the fall of the Berlin Wall).

    If a real Jewish Holocaust happened in WWII, why are these Jewish Zionist pushing for endless wars in the Middle East?

    It is not only in the Middle East that Jewish Zionist push for wars and conflicts. One would think the world had enough violence in the Middle East. In Feb. 22, 2014, Vicky Nuland, gathered neo- Nazis for her violent Ukraine coup, even though Nazis are supposed to be the worst thing that ever existed on planet earth according to our Zion MSM. Nuland is the one who woke me up. She even cursed the coup with these words- “F–k the EU”. I thought the US loved the EU. What was that all about? After that I questioned everything our MSM says.

    In my studies outside the MSM, so many shocking came up, almost all pointing to Zionist connections. A Jewish Holocaust if it happened, the top Jewish Zionist did learn a damn thing from it. They even did nine eleven, attacking the nation that supposedly was their best new homeland in their entire history. All Jewish Holocaust museums should be closed down in protest until the Jewish Neocons and Israelis stop promoting wars and terrorism on our planet.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @renfro
    , @Wally
    , @Corvinus
  708. @Corvinus

    Haha. Narcissist & a Gilded Tower dweller,
    Corvinus boasted to me: “(I am) Not an obscurantist, but a wordsmith who employs reason to challenge one’s assumptions and conformation biases.”

    W.T.F. can I say? Haha. O yes, er, I remember what Orwell wrote in either an essay or letter & about guys like Corvinus.

    Corvinus is an “ideologue who likes to tell people how to think.” 🙄

    Scranton Calling Maven Shama & InZitatus! Hasbara & troll faculties are slipping, and Israel needs you! Haha.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  709. Sparkon says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Your last sentence is cool, like T.S. Eliot

    It was Thomas Pynchon’s opening line in Gravity’s Rainbow.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  710. Robjil says:
    @Robjil

    In the last paragraph I forgot to add a “not”.

    In my studies outside the MSM, so many shocking came up, almost all pointing to Zionist connections. A Jewish Holocaust if it happened, the top Jewish Zionist didn’t learn a damn thing from it. They even did nine eleven, attacking the nation that supposedly was their best new homeland in their entire history. All Jewish Holocaust museums should be closed down in protest until the Jewish Neocons and Israelis stop promoting wars and terrorism on our planet.

    • Replies: @turtle
  711. annamaria says:
    @Corvinus

    “… it’s called the Grand Bargain, and it involves Trump.”
    — No, the Plan (“Seven Nations to Destroy in the Middle East”) has been articulated in/by PNAC.
    The blueprint for PNAC was the so-called Oded Yinon Plan for Eretz Israel.
    https://www.newstatesman.com/node/192545
    https://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/project_for_the_new_american_century/
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815
    Know your tribe, Corvinus.

  712. lucifer says:

    1. If deaths and lives are truly no respecters of persons and apply to everyone without discrimination then there will be the natural difference between right and wrong;
    2. Because the Jews are themselves the Jews (coincidentia oppositorum), the internal question for each one of the “Gentile” will be “who are you sticking up for, Jewish or Gentile?”. “Who are you, Jewish or Gentile?”. The difference is as fundamental as right and wrong.
    3. If one says it does not matter to me “who you are sticking up for, Jewish or Gentile?” I will stand by the right or truth it means you are going to be extremely taken up with yourself, and this has therefore nothing to do with the “question” and thereby with the “truth” per se. It is just a lack of personal knowledge, judgement or capability to understand things themselves. It is wrong.
    4. All the others should have got to think this out. 5. It makes no difference “how many Jews were murdered in line with spirit of the
    Holocaust”. The Jews themselves are the conceptualized “Holocaust” (“Sacrifice”, “Korban”, or “Burnt Offering”), whenever and wherever they are, whatever the cost.
    6. The “Holocaust”, it is not a kind of seeing yourself as others see you. Nor extramural idea or an outsourcing partnership. The “Holocaust” is inner self of the “Jew”.
    7. Come to think of it, the individual Jew is itself none other than reversed Jesus Christ, maybe Jesus Christ on its own terms.
    8. In this context, the “Jewishness” forms an “another” physical or natural condition that a substance can be in. Properly speaking, the “Jewishness” or the “Jew” is itself anti-matter to all manner of Gentile.

    What the “Jewishness of the Jew” is made of?

    [MORE]

    You should accept the following in the absolute sense of vision but in a particular way of thinking.
    You must try to see all these ” personality traits” in proportion to one another.

    1) Jewish Intellectuality Movement.
    As an example I refer to the art lovers who say that the World is driven by the talent and passion of great painters. Therefore, there were many great painters who created the genuine or real “beauty” and there were many copyist-painters thereabout who created widespread copies of this real “beauty”. Here is the first supreme quality of the Jew is that they (Jews) are great “copyistpainters” or just “imitators” not the “painters” themselves. Jews themselves are nothing more than “copyists” or “imitators”. Jews were never meant for the reality (something original). They mimic it. They make a complimentarycopy of the nature and distort (express) it in their own terms. Depending on the level of their great mimic skills they can imitate the nature (original) in such way that no one but “expert” is able to tell real thing from its imitation.
    Because of this inborn ability to imitate (mimic or copy) the nature (original) they can
    also imitate the Intellectuality itself. For some people, but not all it is hard to distinguish
    factual Intellectuality (of Gentile people) from pseudo-Intellectuality (of the Jews).
    The best known example of high quality imitators is Albert Einstein who was a
    pedestrian mind and did nothing but plagiarize his theories from actual theoretical
    physicists and mathematicians when he secured his job in the patent office and accessed the date.
    As a result of their work, the famous E=mc2 was discovered and formulated by
    numerous theoretical physicists and mathematicians long before Albert Einstein secured his job in the patent office including but not limited to Fritz Hasenohrl, John Henry Poynting (with Nikolay Umov), Oliver Heaviside, Whilhelm Wien, James Clerk
    Maxwell etc. Theoretical treatment of this formula was completely done by Jules Henri
    Poincare and Hendrik Lorentz. Albert Einstein just stole it.
    Same thing happened to his Nobel Prize in Physics “for his services to Theoretical
    Physics, and esp for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect”. The law of the photoelectric effect was discovered and formulated by two famous scientist long
    before the Great Plagiarizer (Einstein) secured his job in the patent office, by Hertz
    (1887) and Stoletov (1888). Albert Einstein ripped off almost everything they had. There
    is conventional wisdom amongst theoretical physicists saying that “if a jew discovers some this or other formula (theorem) it is either a plagiarized and/or wrong”.
    You should accept that the “Jews” are ready, willing, and able to imitate the nature, not
    create one! They are NOT intellectuals but “great” second-raters. However they can well
    enough imitate the Intellectuality in itself the way that none but real intellectual can
    distinguish it. Without restricting the generality, it happened to Martin Buber, Max Nordau, Simon Wiesenthal, Otto Frank, Elie Wiesel, Deborah Lipstadt to mention only a few (concerning this topic).
    Only one thing can be inferred from their this “copying” quality. The “Jews” STEAL the
    reality as it is.
    It is for this reason that they are good (to some “distinctive” degree) in plagiary, writings, stand-up comedy, politics (lying), language expertizing, legal profession, instigating a conflict, negotiating a conflict and so on and so forth.
    Jewish people look like a real but they are imitation as well.
    The Jews are not antique heroes but great squabblers (or stormbirds);
    The Jews are not great painters but great copyist-painters (caricaturists or
    distortionists);
    The Jews are not scientists but great plagiarizers (or just patent officers);
    They are not Germans but have German names;

    This is not about their human nature. it is all about the imitation of the humane
    qualities.
    Engrave this in your mind, they are able to exactly imitate the Intellectuality itself the
    way that none but real intellectual can distinguish it.
    As such, don’t take seriously their
    behavior, however, stay on alert.

    2) “Conflicting unity of opposites”, “mixed bipolar mindset”, “controversial aspect of the behavior” (behavior abnormalities), moral perversions etc

    Because the “Jews” make a “copy” (“imitation” or “mimicry”) of reality there is always
    some “gap” or (to be precise) “break” between this reality and its imitation. This “gap”
    (“breakdown” of human nature) is always found in their mind. the “Jews” are told from
    their childhood they are “smart”, in other words, they have this “gap” (the natural “natural defect”) in their head. With this they feel “obliged ” to close it whenever and wherever they are, whatever the cost . This “smartness” or “Jewishness” precisely reflects the leveling effect of this gap, a funny way to behave. This “gap” makes vital
    difference for you on which side you are sticking up for, whether Jewish or Gentile. The
    difference is as fundamental as nature and its copy, right or wrong.
    As a consequence, there are two major conflicting pattern of jewish behavior (behavior
    repertoire) we can observe there.

    1. First behavior pattern is when the “Jew” looks much the same as insane person
    (like “off his own nut”).
    If the “Jew” looks like this behavior pattern then it is, strange as it may appear,
    going to be normal (mental) condition for that “Jew”. However this may come as a strange (or even dangerous to or) for Gentile.
    If this is the case, the Jew is in the middle of doing “something” (imitating,
    caricaturing, distorting, falsifying, stealing etc). it is an activation state of the Jewish idiosyncrasy.

    2. Second behavior pattern is when the “Jew” looks much the same as a normal human being (quite normal).
    If this is the case, Jew’s mind is all by itself a sort of salmagundi. However, in this regard, it looks good for Gentile (outside), after a sort.It is a “standby” pattern of Jewish behavior repertoire (“lag phase” or “resting stage”).
    These both behavior patterns are half-finished product.
    Under some circumstances, both conditions may be present at the same time in this jewish mind and create a world-design model of jewish behavior or jewish life style.
    When this occurs the conflicting unity of opposites or a mixed bipolar mindset is fully
    set forth: pathological mendacity, joining in a conspiracy, swindling, “aiding and
    abetting”, toadyism, servility, high “intellectual” activity (pathological hyperphrenia),
    polygraphy, glossolalia, logorrhea, pretentious speech (hoity-toity language),
    pathological monologue, hysteric mutism, rededfatig (pressured speech), psychomotor
    hallucination, malice, deceitfulness, hypocrisy, doublethinking and along with all types of perversions and genetic diseases.
    Generally, almost all Jews reach their particular (or specific for each one of them) age
    when this bipolar mindset of/in their mind is found and underlined.
    “If you are persistently hated by social surroundings you must be prepared to answer
    that you are chosen, and therefore, victim” (being victim and chosen is the same). “If
    one finds or is repeated over and over again that he is a soundly stupid then he must
    be prepared to answer again that he is a smart”.
    “Victim/ a failure”, “chosen/social outcast ” and “smart/stupid” is all of these represent single image of the “Jew” that can easily be understood. “Victim/ a failure” means aggressor (invader or annexationist, dominion, politics); “chosen/social outcast”
    means social interspecific parasitism (crime, cheating, swindling, monkey business
    etc); “smart/stupid” means plagiarism (thievery, graphomania, falsification etc), and vice versa, and so and so forth.
    Torah is like the scrapbook full to the brim of these “behavioral models” and Talmud,
    as an orgy of speechmaking, is their prolific justification and confabulation (embolalia).
    3) There is a comprehensive list of many other aspective traits there explaining the
    idiosyncrasy of the “Jew” however I’d like to qualify all of them now.
    If you favour me with an answer that all these behavioral patterns are widely distributed and reserved for everyone, and ask me why I think that is only on jewish side I will tell you the following thing, “genetics”. That is not about psycho-behavioral patterns but “genetic fate choices”.
    There are certain classes of genes that modern humans inherited from the archaic
    humans with whom they interbred. The interactions between modern humans andarchaic (and/or ancient) humans are complex with multiple events resulting in possession of the certain percentage of archaic ancestry (Neanderthal, Denisovan, Red Deer Cave people, and some others). So, what about the “Jews”? Except that the “Jewish Tribe” possess the 3-5% of Neanderthal archaic genes, the Jews had been interbred with some “Animals” and got these “animal genes” into their blood. One locus of them is the DNST3 gene. Because the “animal nature” is lack of human one, those genes being placed in such humans (the Jews) are to be in opposition to such humans. It constitutes this “natural gap” and therefore all their Jewish behavioral repertoire and diseases (schizophrenia, autism, kakergasia, and other malfunctions of the brain and body) I was talking about earlier.

    have a nice day!

  713. annamaria says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You should read Oded Yinon Plan for Greater Israel to learn about real depravity and murderous intentions that were articulated AFTER Nuremberg protocols.

    The Infamous “Oded Yinon Plan”. Introduction by Michel Chossudovsky
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    The “Greater Israel” project consists in weakening and eventually fracturing neighboring Arab states as part of a US-Israeli expansionist project, with the support of NATO and Saudi Arabia.

    “Greater Israel” consists in an area extending from the Nile Valley to the Euphrates. … Some Zionists wanted more – land from the Nile in the West to the Euphrates in the East, comprising Palestine, Lebanon, Western Syria, and Southern Turkey.”

    The Zionist project supports the Jewish settlement movement. More broadly it involves a policy of excluding Palestinians from Palestine leading to the eventual annexation of both the West Bank and Gaza to the State of Israel. …

    Israeli strategists viewed Iraq as their biggest strategic challenge from an Arab state. This is why Iraq was outlined as the centerpiece to the balkanization of the Middle East and the Arab World. … Aside from a divided Iraq, which the Biden Plan also calls for, the Yinon Plan calls for a divided Lebanon, Egypt, and Syria. The partitioning of Iran, Turkey, Somalia, and Pakistan also all fall into line with these views.

    The Yinon Plan also calls for dissolution in North Africa and forecasts it as starting from Egypt and then spilling over into Sudan, Libya, and the rest of the region.

    This is much, much worse than Mein Kampf.
    The ongoing implementation of Oded Yinon Plan for Eretz Israel (the mass slaughter of civilian populations in Iraq, Syria, and Libya) is a major Crime against Humanity.

    The incomparable ugliness of the ongoing Wars for Israel is warranted by the context of the holohoax industry.

  714. annamaria says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Linda, nowadays, zionists are the main supporters and collaborators with neo-Nazi.
    You should address your grievances directly to the 52 main American Jewish organizations. Just keep in mind that AIPAC, ADL and Simon Wiesenthal Center (as well as the Jewish State) are for supporting, arming, and protecting Ukrainian neo-Nazis.
    “How the Israel Lobby Protected Ukrainian Neo-Nazis:” https://portside.org/2014-11-20/how-israel-lobby-protected-ukrainian-neo-nazis
    “Is Israel trying to hide arms exports to neo-Nazi militias in Ukraine?” https://972mag.com/israel-arms-exports-neo-nazis-ukraine/141942/

    Human rights activists are hoping to use the courts to expose Israeli arms exports and security know-how to neo-Nazi militias fighting in Ukraine.

    A group of Israeli human rights activists filed a petition to the Tel Aviv District Court last June to demand the government halt weapons exports to the country, where armed groups have been engaged in fighting for the past five years.

    In response, the state has asked that the court slap a gag order on legal proceedings surrounding the alleged sale of weapons and military knowledge to neo-Nazis fighting in Ukraine, and has requested the court to hold its hearing behind closed doors and present its arguments in an ex parte hearing.

  715. Theodore says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I am making things up. So if you loose a spouse or a child is that made up?
    Your child and spouse are gone. You showed up somewhere in a camp after transport and they disappear.
    Are you saying that that did not happen? Are you mentally competent, because all the survivors lost scores of their family.

    According to “Holocaust deniers” hundreds of thousands of people perished in the camps. This is based on actual recorded deaths. Undoubtedly, millions of people otherwise died during World War II.

    Nobody claims there were no Jewish deaths. Literally nobody ever claimed this.

    Please stop with the strawman attacks. There’s a difference between a person being gassed to death and a person dying of typhus in a concentration camp due to overcrowding, lack of food and medical supplies as a result to allied bombing raids and a crumbling Germany.

    Yes, there is a difference, it’s called intent but the end result is the same: a person died.

    Now, the ‘Holocaust’ is alleged to be a deliberate, systematic policy of extermination. Piles of dead bodies, emaciated prisoners, and thousands of people in mass graves does not prove a deliberate, systematic policy of extermination. It is not incompatible with it, but it does not prove it alone.

    You’re attacking a strawman. Once again, you prove yourself to be totally and utterly incapable of discussing this topic soberly.

  716. Theodore says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Not the way to respond to a scientific study published in said journal.

    The study does not seem very ‘scientific’ as it claims millions of people died and were buried in exactly known locations, but does not show even a single cubic meter of burnt remains.

    Further, it just assumes all these ‘inbound train records’ are people being murdered. This is not the case. People were transited from Treblinka:

    ‘Where did they go?’ / Jews Transited through Treblinka further refute extermination claims
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12417

    Show us the enormous pits at Treblinka where 870,000 jews are supposedly buried in exactly known locations. That’s millions of pounds of remains, tens of millions of teeth.

    I’d expect a more serious treatment in a critical study/response.

    There’s nothing to respond to. If there are inbound train records but no outbound train records (Which there would be even if the trains were empty, which is how they would be if the story is true) then we don’t know.

    It’s just not ‘scientific’ at all as in “based on or characterized by the methods and principles of science.”

    It is certainly published in a journal which claims to be scientific, but it is not actually scientific based on the definition of the word.

    It’s actually better. The “study” is published in a journal, but the discussion is on a forum that anyone can join and comment on. Heck, you could create an account and “prove the study correct” right now! You obviously won’t though.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  717. turtle says:
    @annamaria

    Not just Dresden.
    Nearly every city in Germany was destroyed.
    Here, for example is Köln in 1945:

    At least they spared the cathedral.
    Whether intentionally or by chance, I do not know.
    Die Frauenkirche:

    was not so lucky, but fortunately has been rebuilt, once the Commies left town

    The Americans were scientific. They built a model village:
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Village_(Dugway_Proving_Ground)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Village_(Dugway_Proving_Ground)
    to determine the most efficient way to kill German civilians.

    More information here:
    http://www.revisionist.net/bombed-cities.html

    Tschüss.

  718. turtle says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    We are the hollow men,
    Headpieces filled with straw.

  719. turtle says:
    @renfro

    Iran biggest threat to Israel and the US

    Notice which State comes first in the minds of these “people,” (and I use the term loosely – vermin would be more appropriate).

  720. turtle says:
    @Robjil

    All Jewish Holocaust museums [in the United States] should be [denied public funding]

    because the United States WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE “HOLOCAUST,” and the State of Israel is the enemy of the American people, as it demonstrated in 1967 by attacking an armed vessel of the U.S. Navy on the high seas without provocation, with the evident intent to sink the ship and murder as many of its crew as possible.

  721. @Sparkon

    Hey Sparkon!

    Man, you’re well tuned into culture, 👍, and thanks for introducing to me Pynchon’s “opening line.”

    Doubtless, you remember, Quentin Tarantino’s teaching of history😟 and his hit film, “Inglorious basterds.” Add to this stinky paradigm, renfro’s heads up about The Big ZUS Eagle Up & About & ready to pounce upon Iran.😈

    Linked below is a clip from “Inglorious basterds” which depicts an interrogation, which John Yoo would appreciate,🙄 of a German officer-prisoner, and enter, “The Big Jew.” Boo! Uh…, not Bolton.

    • Replies: @turtle
  722. turtle says:
    @annamaria

    And if Winston Churchill had had his way, many more would have died:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Vegetarian

    Operation Vegetarian was a British military plan in 1942 to disseminate linseed cakes infected with anthrax spores onto the fields of Germany. These cakes would have been eaten by the cattle, which would then be consumed by the civilian population, causing the deaths of millions of German citizens. Furthermore, it would have wiped out the majority of Germany’s cattle, creating a massive food shortage for the rest of the population that remained uninfected.

    The lie:

    Operation Vegetarian was only[citation needed] to be used in the event of a German anthrax attack on the United Kingdom.

    If you believe that, I have several bridges on exclusive offer.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2013/sep/01/winston-churchill-shocking-use-chemical-weapons

  723. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Please shut up.

    No one except Jews care about the missing Jews.

    BECAUSE…..the Jews have never cared about the 70 million non Jews lost in WWII…..never a word of grief for them….never a word of gratitude to the families of the soldiers who died in WWII…..never a word or thought of care for anyone except Jews in your entire existence..

    So please, please shut up…you are making me sick……your malignant narcissism, your mindless, soulless greed, parasitism, selfishness, racism, stupidity…..it takes every ounce of moral reasoning I have to resist not caring if every single Jew on earth was wiped out tomorrow.

  724. @Saggy

    Wow! With Open Gates is certainly an eye opener for me. I know it was a bad situation but I really had no idea. I would urge everyone to watch it. Thanks.

  725. turtle says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    So much for Brad Pitt.
    I guess if you want to work in Hollywood, ultimately you have no choice but to suck Jewish cock.
    Good on Werner. I like his attitude.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  726. turtle says:
    @Saggy

    Three words:
    Shoot to kill.

    • LOL: Parfois1
  727. turtle says:
    @Saggy

    By Jove, I believe we now have the solution to Fermi’s Paradox.

    I now present turtle’s first theorem:

    On any given planet, the most intelligent individuals of the dominant species inevitably cease to breed, as they realize there is no point to existence.
    Consequently , the less intelligent of the dominant species inevitably take over the planet, since they are incapable of sophisticated reasoning, but understand that “sex is fun,” and are ignorant of, as well as hostile to, contraception. They spend their final days searching for quasi-intelligent individuals to scam, and wishing for good cargo.
    Thus, there is no interstellar space travel, as that would be as far above the capability of such organisms as railroad construction would be for ants.

  728. renfro says:
    @Robjil

    We can’t change the past. We can change what is happening now? The Seven Nations Holocaust. There are lots of Holocausts in history. There is an Holocaust that is happening now for Jewish Israel interests in Middle East.

    Exactly…people should be paying attention to what the Jews are doing today……which was what Phil was bringing to our attention in this article.

    Every time the holocaust is mentioned is turns into a pissing contest between Jews, German defendants, Russia defendants, etc,etc..
    There is no chance of proving the holocaust a fake in time to stop the Jews from further damaging America and the ME.

    The only thing that has a remote possibility of being timely proved is the Jews did 911 or the assassination of Kennedy .
    Either one of those would do the trick and be the end of Israel.

    For anyone who didn’t see the 2018 release of new Kennedy Israel files here they are:

    The Battle of the Letters, 1963: John F. Kennedy, David Ben-Gurion, Levi Eshkol, and the U.S.

    https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nuclear-vault/2019-05-02/battle-letters-1963-john-f-kennedy-david-ben-gurion-levi-eshkol-us-inspections-dimona

    And here is some background on why it took a squad of researchers to go thru them….because of the way the gov released them…..hint–the gov made it almost impossible for the average person to go thru them because they put no search tools on the site…and I know this cause I tried myself.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article209931519.html

    If you see how hard a no bullshit stance Kennedy took with Israel you will know they assassinated him….that was the only way they could stop him.

    • Agree: Ilyana_Rozumova
  729. @Fran Taubman

    Obviously you are not Jewish, because you do not know anything about Jews.
    Jews never did live in any village in Europe. There was no one Jewish farmer in Europe.
    Most of Jews did live in capital cites, But some did live in smaller cities.
    Newer ever could you find any Jew in farming village. In farming villages you could find Church but no synagogue.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  730. This topic and this thread have been very interesting (and, unfortunately, full of secondary species of importance), but alas it has succumbed to traditional Internet probems:

    A). It’s turned into an idiotic food fight,and
    B). It’s sunk under the weight of special pleading and crackpot partisanship, having abandoned scholarly rational analysis.

    The general topic is of critical importance, because

    1. The polemical and historiographic issues are far more important than the point-blank historical issues. (tl, dr: propaganda is usurping scholarship)
    2. The polemical issues are being masqueraded as historical issues, and this process is being quite cynically used and abused in present-day real time in order to influence issues which ostensibly have nothing whatsoever to do with events in say 1943.

    This thread has simply become too long and unwieldy (it keeps crashing when you try to load it) and full of crackpots, to be of any genuine use.

    If PG has the grace and goodwill to launch a second less cumbersome thread, I’d be happy to provide a clear-headed philosophical summa as to what all these knotty concerns are actually about, whilst doing my level best not to froth at the mouth in the process.

  731. Parfois1 says:
    @Rurik

    Had there been no genocidal Bolsheviks running Russia, hell bent on Old Testament atrocities writ large all over the region, then Uncle Adolf would have been happy to leave them alone.

    I understand the Neo-Nazi propaganda needs to justify Uncle Adolph’s rampage through Europe as a pre-emptive strike to prevent the emergence of a threat to Germany. That is also the rationale of the neo-cons (mostly obeying Jewish’s orders) directing the US wars of aggression in order to prevent the emergence of a rival after the dissolution of the USSR.

    The Bolsheviks were busily building a new country from scratch and wanted to be left alone. It was the imperialist powers (France, England, US, Japan) plus Poland who invaded the USSR east and west in support of the Czarist White Guards, perhaps as a revenge for the peace treaty with Germany as well as killing Socialism stillborn.

    Stalin’s purge of the “internationalists” led by Trotsy and the policy of “Socialism in One Country” are proof of it, as well as the trade agreements with Germany up to late 1930s.

    I have not come across yet any Soviet antagonistic discourse towards Germany; on the contrary, there were good friendly relations between them (in fact the Soviets helped Germany’s armaments industry forbidden by the Versailles Treaty). Compare that with the Nazi pronouncements and plans for Pan-Germanism in Slavic lands.

    Please don’t repeat the hare-brained meme that the Soviet troops had an offensive disposition, if you have a modicum of sef-respect.

    • Replies: @Saggy
    , @Rurik
  732. @renfro

    I sense your frustration. But you are missing the point here. The Jews are chosen. They are the chosen people and their suffering is very much more important than those other people.

  733. @Wally

    Anyone can tell that your photo proves nothing one way or another, and you keep re-posting it as if it were evidence or non-evidence of anything. Just because codoh bible says something doesn’t make it true although like a broken clock it could be right at times.

  734. @ChuckOrloski

    Chuck,

    You know that most here don’t care what goes down in Haiti, but they care that Haiti doesn’t come to USA. Clintons and those NGOs in Haiti claim that they care very much about those little girls and go there trying to save them from that life of vice and misery, but I hear their motives may not be what they claim. Are they running out of victims in the Pingpong pizzeria basement?

    Remarkable as it may be, I remember the Haitians in USA to be among the most cultured and well mannered people I met there of all races. Even the Haitian hotel cleaners could converse in French and that put them in a class above the rest in my view. But it didn’t make me want to go for a holiday in Haiti, hell no.

  735. @Corvinus

    The two are linked. All are to blame. And the show goes on. I’d opt for peace and starve the Rothschilds but as war is inevitable what I’d opt for makes no difference. They’d still make money in times of peace arming for the next war, or to keep the peace as they say.

  736. @Theodore

    claims millions of people died and were buried in exactly known locations

    I missed the latter claim in the paper and that wasn’t the topic of the research. They have aims and objectives when they delineate the scope of a study and that was outside those limiting parameters.

    • Replies: @Theodore
  737. Parfois1 says:
    @renfro

    No one except Jews care about the missing Jews.

    … and the sycophantic corrupt rulers of all countries* propping up the Zionist state.

    * USA, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand, France, Germany, Russia, Saudidesert, for starters. The common denominator is: Neoliberal Capitalism, the Zionist ideology par excellence.

  738. @turtle

    Turtle,

    It’s an easy enough calculation to multiply the weight/volume of one body by the number of victims and see what volume of earth you need to displace to bury them, and if you’ve done it why should I repeat it? If you look up codoh’s mocking response to that paper they print photos of stadiums quoting attendance numbers but neglect all the empty volume below the tops of the stands above the playing field that would also be used when disposing of bodies in mass graves.And also under that step-wise construction of the stands. You calculate precisely how many could so fit in those stadiums codoh quotes.

    Read up a bit on the dead after battles. Not without controversy either. Sure some are buried individually where they can be retrieved, some are left to rot on battlefields in no-mans-land if battles are long, some buried in trenches, but I’d suspect where the number of dead was huge, mass graves were used, and those head stones placed over such with names of known dead soldiers or just with “known only unto God” at war cemeteries doesn’t mean that under each one there is one body. But in many cases there are headstones with multiple names, often as well as individual headstones. The military engineers sure know how to do it quickly and efficiently but you now worry that German military engineers had problems doing the same behind the front lines and calculating whatever resources they’d need to do it.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @turtle
  739. Parfois1 says:
    @Parfois1

    … the Soviet Criminal Code (or any code) would not and could not single out someone or group out of the general population for particular protection.

    Oops! I was referring to classic (normal) jurisprudence. I should have noted the new modernist tendency in the Jewish-dominated states (namely capitalist NATOland) to single out Jews and Israel for special privileges and protection.

    In the old days of feudal Europe some monarchs also kept their Jewish financiers as pets (treated as crown property) for protection against the proles’ summary justice. The result was that the pets became even more hated than the pest. Perhaps a forerunner of things to come.

  740. Ahoy says:

    The holocaust did happen, but on the Germans and the German nation.

    “Akways blame the others for what we did to them”. JEWISH GOLDEN RULE.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  741. @Theodore

    Why were the Jews of Poland forced to live in ghettos. Why were Jews, including those not capable of productive labour, transported to camps from Poland, France, Hungary, Belgium, Holland and Italy? Why was this done when it was already clearly impossible to resettle them in Palestine, Madagascar or eastern Russia?

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Theodore
  742. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Germanicus

    You really are like a kid who things it a great contribution to a party to fart noisily.

  743. @turtle

    Turtle,

    Since you’re also a chemist and if you have time on your hands you could look at the controversy between Rudolf Germar and those Polish chemists whose study I referenced:

    http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/orgs/polish/institute-for-forensic-research/post-leuchter.report

    http://vho.org/GB/c/GR/Fraudulent.html

    I’d say the Polish study is far more thorough and honest. In fact both Leuchter and Rudolf found more cyanide in the gas chambers than did the Poles, but then Rudolf claims they were fabricating their results. So Leuchter and Rudolf measured total cyanide but that would have included the non-Prussian blue bound cyanide the Polish researchers reported. The Polish team also performed experiments on the absorption of cyanide by various building materials and reported on the state of the gas chamber ruins after decades of being washout out with rain. And like a true Holocaust denier Rudolf accuses them of fraud, hey, for reporting less cyanide on the gas chamber walls than he did. He’s a joker. They should have never sentenced him to jail as he’s mentally unfit to stand trial in a court of law.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @turtle
  744. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    2. The polemical issues are being masqueraded as historical issues, and this process is being quite cynically used and abused in present-day real time in order to influence issues which ostensibly have nothing whatsoever to do with events in say 1943.

    They do very much link to present day, considering WWII has never been legally terminated with a peace treaty. Thus, the US do not have to declare war in 2019(eg on Iran or Syria), the US have been at war since 1941, and the Jews have been waging war against European peoples since 70 AD.

    Every conflict after 1945 are nothing more than conflicts within the ongoing WWII.
    Just read the god damn UN charter and the enemy state clauses still present. It is no coincidence these are still there. The UN are a war alliance.

    Jewish sources state clearly, that WWII is fought to defend the essential principles of Judaism. What principles are these? Usury, pedophilia, degeneration, destruction and subversion of non jewish societies, repression and the utter disrespect of non jewish law.

    • Agree: Truth3, Cowboy
  745. Malla says:
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    Allied propaganda concerning Japan.

    Agreed. One should be careful about believing anything from the brainwashing outlets (media, academia) of the Globalist Zio elites. From Germans bayoneting babies to Milosevic starving people to Saddam’s soldiers killing Kuwaiti babies in incubators. Everything is suspect.

    Nanking Massacre by the Japanese is suspect too.

  746. @gsjackson

    I guess so. I just wish he’d drop his self-righteous anti-sarcasm rhetoric.

  747. @Wally

    Wally,

    Who’s batting next? Comments on this thread are piling in so fast that I may have missed some and little time to visit other threads or new incoming articles.

    Anyway, in the meantime deconstruct this guy:

    “Dr. Irmfried Eberl (1910-1948): mass murdering MD.”, Strous RD., Isr. Med. Assoc J. 2009 Apr;11(4):216-8.

    Abstract

    There are isolated cases of physicians who murdered their patients. However, never had a single physician personally supervised the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of individuals, until Dr. Irmfried Eberl. Commander of the Nazi death camp Treblinka, he killed both the ill and those he considered “a disease to his nation.” At age 32 Dr. Eberl established Treblinka, where he was responsible for the killing of approximately 280,000 individuals within a few weeks. The position of camp commandant was earned following his success as head of two psychiatric hospitals in Germany where he coordinated the murder of thousands of mentally ill Jews and non-Jews within the context of the euthanasia program. However, few in medicine have heard of him or the harm he caused to the ethical practice of the profession and to human rights.

    Did you suggest I set up my own website to rival the clowns at codoh? As I said too many comments not enough time to locate that one. I guess I could even get you know who to go fund me. But then I think there would be too many Isr. references for your liking; like the one above, as they take an inordinate, but not unusual, interest in the subject. I got involved in this debate as a truth-seeker and from a scientific point of view, but not to bolster the Holocaust industry or justify Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians or their continued wars in the Middle East. But if one leads to the other what can I do? I could then similarly say that all Holocaust deniers are neo-Nazis (not true of course) and keep screaming “Nazi”, “fascist” at you and claiming that your denials are orchestrated only to support growing neo-Nazism and fascism in society and that RU is too kind to allow you to do so, and … Get the drift.

    Yeah, get into the Holocaust/Holohoax debate and you’re stuck between the Nazis and Zionists.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  748. @Germanicus

    Germanicus,

    If TPTB are so communist, liberal, anti-Nazi, anti-fascist, why are they intent on flooding Germany with the immigrants, since we know what the only solution to that can be if the German folk are to regain their own country? And it wouldn’t be the final solution if the Germans were to implement the requisite drastic measures, since then would once again come the counter from the east and from across the ocean. Seems like history would have to repeat itself.

    When WWII was over that new world order based on ideals of “justice and peace” Mr. Greenwood promised was not established. All that was established was Israel and endless wars in the Middle East.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  749. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    This thread has simply become too long and unwieldy (it keeps crashing when you try to load it) and full of crackpots, to be of any genuine use.

    Yes, but that happened to a few other threads. How many comments on RU’s American Pravda Holocaust piece? Don’t worry, we’ll get this one over the 1,000 mark.

  750. @Ahoy

    The actual correct proverb is “The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you”.

  751. @Theodore

    You are wasting your time with Linda. She is a true believer. She actually believes Jews are inflammable, and burst into flames when you hold a match to their toe.

  752. annamaria says:
    @renfro

    “…people should be paying attention to what the Jews are doing today”
    — Agree. See the gerontological case of American Enterprise Institute, a sinecure for prominent zionists, many of whom are the certified war criminals.

    For example, here is Frederick W. Kagan from the infamous Kagans’ family of neo-Nazi collaborators. Who can forget the Nuland-Kagan’s role in regime change in Ukraine and the rise of neo-Nazism there thanks to the zionists’ financing and arming of Ukrainian neo-Nazis?

    What do zionists squeal about Babij Yar? In reality, zionists have zero respect for the victims of WWII. The holohoax is a profiteering schema and the Kagans’ family is a prime example of denialists of the horrors of WWII.

    Frederick W. Kagan was a prominent promoter of Wars of Aggression (crime against humanity) in the Middle East and “architect of the successful (?!)“surge” strategy in Iraq.” https://www.aei.org/scholar/frederick-w-kagan/

    Today, Frederick W. Kagan is busy with architecturing the WWIII and spreading the lies debunked a long time ago: https://www.aei.org/publication/testimony-confronting-the-russian-challenge/

    President Vladimir Putin has invaded two of his neighbors, Georgia and Ukraine

    F. Kagan is a representative of the second-grade genetic pool of East-European shtetls, which “products” brought disaster to Russia in the 20th century (see the enormous crimes against humanity, which were committed by Jewish Bolsheviks) and to the Middle Eastern countries in this century.

    Where are the supposed “warriors with Nazism” from the ADL and Simon Wiesenthal Center? — They are busy with undermining the freedom of information and freedom of speech in order to protect the holohoax industry while supporting the Russophobes of all stripes, including the neo-Nazis. https://portside.org/2014-11-20/how-israel-lobby-protected-ukrainian-neo-nazis

    The bitter truth is, the zionists have become the main promoters of neo-nazism and fanatical jihadism.

    • Agree: Robjil, renfro
  753. Saggy says: • Website
    @Parfois1

    I understand the Neo-Nazi propaganda needs to justify Uncle Adolph’s rampage through Europe as a pre-emptive strike to prevent the emergence of a threat to Germany.

    First, everything you know about the start of WW II is a lie, to remedy that read Buchanan’s ‘The Unnecessary War’ and Wyndham Lewis’s ‘Left Wings Over Europe, or How to Make a War About Nothing’, written in 1936.

    War between Germany and the communists began at the end of WW I, see


    Video Link
    For another angle on Russia at the start of WW II ….

    To get right to first causes see … Rabbi ben Porat’s exegesis of Mein Kampf


    Video Link

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  754. Saggy says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    Yeah, get into the Holocaust/Holohoax debate and you’re stuck between the Nazis and Zionists.

    Understanding that the ‘holocaust’ is a complete and preposterous hoax makes one an antisemite immediately. And it naturally leads one to study the larger picture, WW II and Hitler and the Nazis, and that is likely to make one a neo-Nazi, if you will. The Nazis were the only serious opposition the Anglo-Zionist empire has encountered, the Anglo-Zionist empire collaborated with the communists. Wyndham Lewis documents this pre-war collaboration in ‘Left Wings Over Europe, or, How to Make a War About Nothing’, written in 1936…

    As far as Great Britain is concerned, there is, in 1936, not a shadow of a reason for a war with anybody. It is because that there is no concrete reason that abstract reasons have had to be thought up and trotted out.

    Nationalism may be superseded by the issue between different forms of political structure, between parliamentarism, fascism, and Bolshevism. …. Parliamentarism and Bolshevism seem to feel a remarkable affinity for one another, if for no other reason than that they are both consumed with an equal hatred of fascism.

    No British statesman has ever desired a war with Germany. But they have apparently come to regard themselves as committed to a policy which is violently determined to rid Europe of Hitler. And they are well aware that that cannot be effected without the risk of another world-war. It is not so much ‘fascist dictatorship’ that excites them — for after all they left Mussolini in complete peace for a decade. Neither does Dictatorship , in itself, excite them so much as all that — even accompanied by a permanent Reign of Terror and the massacre of millions of people. For Soviet Russia has been left undisturbed. No, it can only be something about the internal regime of Adolf Hitler that excites in them this implacable mood.

    The Franco-Soviet pact has been ratified and it is highly probable that a Rumano-Soviet pact, on the lines of the military pact between the Soviet and Czechoslovakia, will be signed in the near future. The Austrian Government (which represents a fantastically small fraction of the people of Austria) seems to be moving towards an entente with the Little Entente. So the game of ‘encirclement’ goes on: and all these arrangements — carried on in every case over the heads and usually in contradiction to the wishes of the people — are made possible, and constantly stimulated by British and French gold. The remarks which I have quoted from the Morning Post mean, in plain language, that Great Britain is about to arm the Soviet against Germany. (Marshal Tukachevski stopped behind in England after the funeral of King George to go round the British armament factories to pick his tanks and guns.) There have constantly been rumours of a fifty million pounds British loan to France. That, too, in plain language, is Great Britain arming France against ‘the Hun’

    There is one country where the Englishman is certain of a warm welcome: there is one country whose government never ceases to proffer friendship, and to be accommodating and polite, and that is Germany. Year in and year out, like a love-sick supplicant, Herr Hitler pays his court to the haughty Britannia. Every insult that can be invented even by the resourceful Mr. Churchill is tamely swallowed, every rebuff of Mr. Baldwin’s, every sneer of Mr. Eden, is meekly accepted, by this pertinacious suitor!

  755. @renfro

    Am grateful both Robjil & renfro articulated the most important gem found in this article, & that is: “Exactly…people should be paying attention to what the Jews are doing today……which was what Phil was bringing to our attention in this article.”

    No doubt, biased “pissing contests” emerge from what ought to be serious, objective, historical Holocaust studies. For me, I see Ron Unz took the “High Road.”

    In contrast, “bullshit” is become popular entertainment in my “Homeland,”😟 which further serves to institutionalize a Protocols of Zion goal to severely divide Western man’s population. Subsequently enmasse, cognitive dissonance easily crossed national borders & such malady is supported by elite Jewish & Shabbos goy political & financial shotcallers.

    And yes, renfro. At age 67, & with all heart, mind, & soul, I endorse 👍 this which you wrote:
    “The only thing that has a remote possibility of being timely proved is the Jews did 911 or the assassination of Kennedy.”

    Nonetheless, I am certain freak Master Zionists & heirs to the fruit of the above abominable evils have contingency plans that are designed to ensure Israel’s criminal state, everlasting. Hm.🤔

    Must comfort self with the saying, “All things must pass,” and it appears to me that Israel has no free pass from accountability to Toynbee’s axiomatic Empire “Rise & Fall” phenomenon.*

    Thanks, & my perpetual respect to Phil Giraldi, Robjil, and renfro.

    * American author Paul Kennedy also wrote a great history book covering world Empire falls. He focused upon the common
    killer effect of excessive military spending.
    Sadly, the ZUS giving Israel annual $3.8 billion for defense actually hastens the Fall of the American-Israeli Empire which no doubt is going to be UGLY. Boom-boom.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @renfro
  756. FB says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    You’ll notice the wanker ‘turtle’ never responded to my logic-based question about the fact of five million Russian POW bodies disposed of…yet he was squirting diarrhea with you over multiple comments about the supposed ‘unfeasibility’ of disposing death camp corpses…

    Until he addresses the obvious logical paradox…we can safely assume he is full of shit…

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  757. FB says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    Why were Jews, including those not capable of productive labour, transported to camps from Poland, France, Hungary, Belgium, Holland and Italy?

    You have to realize we are dealing with people of extremely low intelligence…I have mentioned this here before…Europe was a civilized land…the idea of rounding up literally hundreds of thousands of citizens and sending them to camps in Poland and elsewhere is justifiable how…?

    It’s not…it’s human bestiality that goes against all norms of civilization…anything that happens to those people after this initial act of barbarity is academic…

    And what exactly were they supposed to do at those camps if not get exterminated…spend the war lawn bowling…or maybe splashing about in Auschwitz’s famous ‘swimming pools’…?

    And the there is the typhus issue…how does typhus come about…it’s carried by lice and fleas…which tells us the conditions under which these people were kept…transported for days by cattle cars, then packed into accommodations not fit even for livestock…

    But brainless wonders like this ‘Theodore’ will tell you that it’s a result of allied bombing…I guess the allies were dropping ‘bombs’ filled with lice and fleas…?

    The fact is that the Nazis were the scum of the earth…anyone that defends them is either morally or mentally defective, or both…

    Think about some of the vile garbage being bandied about here…in what possible social context might this be considered acceptable…at a dinner party…a family get together…?

    Only on the internet do these lowly worms crawl out of the woodwork…

    • Replies: @Truth3
  758. @FB

    I suppose he thinks German military engineers have no clue about how to dispose of huge numbers of corpses in a short period of time. I suppose he thinks they just left them to rot in the fields after all those massive battles in WWI, or left the allies to do the clearing up. And similarly in WWII. Sure sometimes they retreated so the allies had to do the disposing but sometimes they advanced after battles and then it was on them to clean up the battlefield.

    • Replies: @FB
  759. turtle says:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    2. The polemical issues are being masqueraded as historical issues, and this process is being quite cynically used and abused in present-day real time in order to influence issues which ostensibly have nothing whatsoever to do with events in say 1943.

    Agree.
    Quite the marketing tool.
    Also increasingly being used as a tool of repression.
    As in, “this you may not question.”
    Once you get people conditioned to think that is OK, for even one topic, it becomes easier to extend the prohibition to as many other topics as you like.
    Complete with jail time, if necessary.
    So much for a free society, unless people speak up and fight back.

  760. @renfro

    Trump is simply repaying part of his debt to Jewish bankers who bailed him out of three bankruptcies.

  761. Truth3 says:
    @FB

    They brought the lice WITH THEM.

    Stop being such a zio-bozo. Oh that’s right… you can’t.

    • Replies: @FB
  762. Wally says:
    @Robjil

    said:
    “If a real Jewish Holocaust happened in WWII, why are these Jewish Zionist pushing for endless wars in the Middle East?”

    – If a real Jewish Holocaust happened in WWII, why are these Jewish Zionists In Israel giving cash & arms to ‘neo-Nazis’ in Ukraine?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  763. Wally,

    I’m batting again. Here’s one for your buds at codoh who claim that diesel exhaust cannot kill and therefore the mobile gas chambers on wheels are a hoax, as are the reported uses of diesel fumes in gas chambers.

    “Diesel fumes do kill: a case of fatal carbon monoxide poisoning directly attributed to diesel fuel exhaust with a 10-year retrospective case and literature review”, Griffin SM1, Ward MK, Terrell AR, Stewart D., J Forensic Sci. 2008 Sep;53(5):1206-11.

    Abstract

    While it is known that diesel fuel combustion engines produce much lower concentrations of carbon monoxide (CO) than gasoline engines, these emissions could certainly generate lethal ambient concentrations given a sufficient amount of time in an enclosed space and under suitable environmental conditions. The authors report a case of CO poisoning which was initially referred for autopsy as a presumed natural death of a truck driver found in the secure cab of a running diesel tractor trailer truck. Completion of the preliminary investigation ascribed death to complications of ischemic heart disease (IHD), pending toxicological analysis that included quantification of CO. When the toxicology results showed lethal blood COHbg, the cause of death was re-certified as CO intoxication secondary to inhalation of (diesel) vehicular exhaust fumes. Because of the unique source of fatal CO intoxication in this case, the contributory IHD and the possible contaminants in the putrefied blood, a 10-year retrospective review was conducted on all nonfire related CO deaths autopsied (n = 94) at the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner in Louisville, KY from 1994 to 2003. For validation of the COHbg detection method used by the Kentucky Office of Forensic Toxicology (KYOFT), blood samples from these cases along with controls were submitted to three laboratories using various analytical methods yielding no statistically significant differences. Lastly, an extensive literature review produced no scientifically reported cases of fatal CO poisoning attributed to diesel fuel exhaust.

    Read carefully – the last sentence just claims that it was not reported previously in the literature but the study proves it is possible.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  764. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @renfro

    You sound very like a very depressed, dystopian person. You should see a professional.
    It is typical of lost people who cannot rationalize the cruelty of humans and loss of life to need a scapegoat. For you it is the Jews. It calms your nerves. I understand.

    The Jews have contributed a lot to mankind in almost every field for the advancement and help of civilization. Only good has come of it. E=MC2

    The thing about the Holocaust is that while their are many losses during the war, nothing compares to the sheer barbarity of the way that the Jews were targeted by a civilized society.

    The round up, the encampment and the killing was inexplainable thus the denial. If you ask most people of that time they would have rather died with a rifle in their hands at a battle front.
    The humiliation was unbearable. Dying in a war in a battle while every life is important is nothing like being rounded up with your family with all your belongings landing on a train platform and watching while uniform men separate you from other family members never to be seen again.

    The context of the Jewish deaths is important, there was nothing else like it. No one can fathom how people could have planed and exterminated in a systematic format. Old people, mothers with children, all in one place together and some went to die and others were imprisoned.

    That is what happened as improbable and crazy as it sounds that is the sum total of all of it.
    It is a good reason for the second amendment if the Jews had guns like in the Warsaw ghetto revolt it would have come out very differently. You are entitled to your feelings, but you should be on some anti depressants.
    It is also important that no one needs science to prove what happened, people lost their loved ones right before their very eyes that is just a fact, unless you can locate the missing you are pissing in the wind like the cartoon character like Wally, disassociating the people from the crime.

    Most of the deniers on this thread are cartoon characters trying to find a samples of particles and bodies to disprove the obvious.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @renfro
    , @annamaria
  765. FB says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    I don’t think the wanker ‘turtle’ actually ‘thinks’ about much at all…

    I watched him go after you over multiple comments, spanning hundreds of words…about horseshit like human body density…geometric packing…soil types and other such diarrhea until I had to jump in and call out this nonsense…

    As soon as I pointed out the five million ‘disappeared’ Russian POWs he clammed up…total wanker…

  766. FB says: • Website
    @Truth3

    They brought the lice WITH THEM.

    Hey RETARDO…

    How many folks do you know that have lice…?

    The people rounded up and deported were decent middle class, urban folks…doctors, engineers, shopkeepers…the photographic footage before deportation in lice filled cattle cars shows well dressed urbane folks…

    You are obviously so mentally deficient that in prior times you would be locked away as a useless retard…

  767. Wally says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Linda points to Zionist dominated Wikipedia and makes an ass of herself and posts a cement mixer.
    How Israel and Its Partisans Work to Censor the Internet: https://www.unz.com/article/how-israel-and-its-partisans-work-to-censor-the-internet/?highlight=wikipedia
    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    Claimed Holocaust Bone Grinding Machine / laughable Bone Mill of Lemberg : https://codoh.com/library/document/3220/?lang=en

    And of course she ignores the fact that those laughably alleged crushed bones of “6M Jews & 5M others” (that alleged 11,000,000 = the population of London) are claimed by Jews to have been buried in known locations, where no such remains exist.

    from Yitzhak Arad’s book – BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA – (chapter 23) – The Erasure of the Crimes:

    The camp command was confronted with the problem of disposing of the large piles of ash and bits of bone that remained… Ultimately it was decided to dump the ash and bits of bone into the ditches that had previously held the bodies and to cover them with a thick layer of sand and dirt… [Eyewitness] Abraham Goldfarb relates: …’we secretly placed in the walls of the graves whole skeletons and we wrote on scraps of paper what the Germans were doing at Treblinka. We put the scraps of paper into bottles, which we placed next to the skeletons. Our intention was that if one day someone looked for traces, they could indeed be found.’

    Yet we find no such skeletons or other human remains as alleged.
    Linda continues to dodge my post #302 above.

  768. @FB

    I want to pay tribute to Philip Giraldi’s harmonic article subtitle “Don’t know much about history,” and the late-great Sam Cooke who made such lyric famous in song linked below:

    Selah, and without FB, what a wonderful article comment-thread this would be! 🤗

  769. Theodore says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I missed the latter claim in the paper and that wasn’t the topic of the research. They have aims and objectives when they delineate the scope of a study and that was outside those limiting parameters.

    OK, so the bodies disappeared through magic?
    The topic of research was nazi kill rates. The paper claimed hundreds of thousands were murdered at Treblinka. Naturally, those bodies would have to go somewhere. The claim is that they were burned in huge outdoor hibachis and then buried in enormous mass graves, all the millions of pounds of burnt remains and tens of millions of teeth.
    Certainly if you asked the author, he would confirm this, as the [fraudulent] sources he cites make these very claims.

    Remember: the author did not at all confirm that these people were gassed or killed. It simply assumed that “in-bound train record” means “murdered” which, obviously, it doesn’t. The out-bound train records are nowhere to be seen!

    ‘Inbound train records, but no outbound records. Why?’
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=2355

    The problem here is you think that this ‘study’ being ‘peer reviewed’ and ‘published’ in a ‘scientific journal’ somehow makes these nonsense, vacuous claims more credible. It does not. They are not credible, for reasons stated already.

    And you think the total refutation of this work can be hand-waved away because it is posted on a forum. This is not scientific or rational

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  770. Wally says:
    @Commentator Mike

    LOL What a load of amateur Zionist nonsense.

    We note that you continue to dodge #302. Why?
    We also note that you have failed to tell us how your laughably alleged ‘gas chambers’ supposedly worked. Why?
    recommended:
    Auschwitz – Forensically Examined, By Cyrus Cox
    https://shop.codoh.com/book/494/508
    ‘Some Technical and Chemical Considerations about the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz and Birkenau’ by Master Chemist Germar Rudolf: http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndgcger.html



    Video Link

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  771. Truth3 says:
    @FB

    FB can’t handle the truth… here’s part of the reason why…

    The embarrassment of the Jews to being thoroughly deloused (clothing to the Zyklon B disinfection rooms, heads shaved) point to the hygienic problems Jews had… basically, very unclean people. Because of this embarrassment, their hatred of the German people (already sizeable) grew to previously unknown levels (and what still exists today).

    Every German knew that Typhus was an extreme killer. If they had wanted the Jews to die of typhus, it would have been fairly easy… simply put them in camps with no delousing, food or medical treatment.

    But they tried to keep these dirty people alive, by forcing hygiene upon them. Delousing, Showers, Hair Cuts.

    They were well fed. Rations approximated what German civilians received.

    They were provided medical care. Hospitals received the medicines needed, doctors cared for them.

    They were encouraged to live healthy lives… swimming pool at Auschwitz was not a myth, no matter how many zio-bozos rant otherwise.

    Being told your grandparents were 5th Columnist Bolshevik agitators and leaching blood-sucking menaces that needed to be kept concentrated away from the people during wartime, and that they were dirty people certainly enrages zio-bozos.

    But it’s the Truth. All those empty Zyklon-B canisters that kept them alive until 1945 prove it.

    So your answer FB? I guess the one most likely to have lice… You.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @anarchyst
  772. Theodore says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Thanks for the questions, I will try my best to answer.

    Why were the Jews of Poland forced to live in ghettos.

    Contrary to popular belief, many Jewish ghettos had already existed. Jews generally, seeing themselves as a different people (often speaking a different language) preferred to live among their own kind, separate from the gentiles. And many ghettos were completely open and allowed free entry and exit and were only marked by a sign.
    In the case of the Warsaw Ghetto, the Polish people were actually becoming hostile to its existence, which led the Nazis to decide to transport these people elsewhere.

    Why were Jews, including those not capable of productive labour, transported to camps from Poland, France, Hungary, Belgium, Holland and Italy?

    They were to be interned. There was a “Final Solution” which meant the resettlement of Jews from Europe. So-called Holocaust “Deniers” agree that a “Final Solution” policy existed, the documents confirm this very fact. However the documents universally agree that ‘Final Solution meant resettlement/deportation, not extermination.
    They were also seen as a security risk, this is why the Americans interned people (US Citizens) of Japanese ethnic descent in camps.

    War-time German documents & writings mentioning the “Final Solution”
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12296

    In the “Schlegelberger letter” it is confirmed that “the Führer had repeatedly declared… that he wants to hear that the Solution of the Jewish Problem has been postponed until after the war is over.”

    Letting them all free at that point would have created many thousands of partisans to deal with.

    Why was this done when it was already clearly impossible to resettle them in Palestine, Madagascar or eastern Russia?

    So when the war was over they would have all of the Jews ready to resettle them. Also to keep them from picking up weapons and fighting back.

    If they wanted to exterminate them, why did they do such a horrible job at that and let so many millions of them live, even when they could have killed them? Doesn’t make sense!

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  773. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    You are not the most idiotic person on this site, however still one of the most annoying considering your sarcasm and certainty about nothing. Like “I heard the trains with the Jews went to Austria”. with your train track scenario that they could not possibly go from Hungry to Auschwitz.

    Oh so Jews were not farmers, the lived in cities. No they lived in Shtetl’s. forced villages during the Pale settlement. They were poor and remote. Like Fiddler on the Roof.

    You know you can google and study Jewish history and maybe you would not sound so fucking ignorant, which is not so bad to be ignorant but your certainty is astounding. Like you really know. LOL.
    Why don’t you study and educate yourself

    Here is an outtake of Claude Lanzman’s interviews with polish villagers in the VILLAGE of Grabow about the early gassing vans at Chelmno 20 miles away.

    https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1004445

    • Replies: @Truth3
    , @Anon
  774. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Wally

    Hey Wally have you seen this video? Claude Lanzman’s Shoa. 9 hours of interviews.
    But I especially like this hidden camera interview with this Franz Suchomel SS dude from Triblinka

  775. @Commentator Mike

    For Wally and his spars at codoh,

    I have some reservations about the carbon monoxide in diesel exhaust by itself being toxic over shorter periods but the reported levels could, over prolonged time, make someone insensible and then further exposure cause bioaccumulation as COHbg and then death as the study showed. In the case of the truck driver reported in this study he probably fell asleep and was exposed for an exceedingly long period.

    I myself think that when diesel exhaust was used in gas chambers, death was mainly by asphyxiation. CO in diesel exhaust can vary considerably from engine to engine and have been reported anywhere between 100 and 1000 ppm (0.01 to 0.1%). These levels by themselves would not be deadly but at the higher end would cause nausea and convulsions as well as knock you out over long exposure. Of course lower levels would cause headaches, then dizziness as the CO concentration increases. The diesel fumes would also be displacing air but they themselves also contain oxygen at reported levels between 0.5 and 15%. At such low levels of oxygen death by asphyxiation is possible, probable, or certain depending on whether the diesel engine produces the higher oxygen content (15%), intermediate, or lower (0.5%), and even at the higher oxygen content it would become highly likely if the exposure is long enough and given the presence of other toxic gases in diesel exhaust. High concentrations of the oxides of nitrogen can cause headache, dizziness and loss of consciousness as well as respiratory irritation. Sulfur dioxide may cause immediate respiratory distress. The aldehydes would cause eye, nose and throat irritation. And of course the lack of sufficient oxygen would eventually cause death. Now when one has a variety of diesel engines available one can select those that would cause maximum discomfort, pain and agony before death in the appropriate desired time. This brings to mind how nasty those evil Nazis truly were. Would you like to take a ride in a diesel exhaust gas chamber on wheels to prove you are right? And take all your CODOH crew on a sightseeing tour of a city of your choice behind reinforced glass windows? How about Berlin?

  776. FB says: • Website
    @Truth3

    FB can’t handle the truth…

    And a profoundly retarded street urchin like yourself has ‘the truth’…?

    You have proved conclusively to be of idiot-level intelligence…go squirt your diarrhea in someone else’s direction…I don’t have time to waste on a disposable moron…

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Ron Unz
  777. @Commentator Mike

    Furthermore for Wally et al at CODOH

    Here’s a paper in support of my theory of asphyxiation diesel chambers. Well, the study was done by Nip scientists on rats, and if you note the publication date, you can suppose they’re not using Chinks as guinea pigs these days (apologies to the PC sensitive readers but you know who I mean).

    “Asphyxia due to oxygen deficiency by gaseous substances”. Watanabe T, Morita M.,Forensic Sci Int. 1998 Aug 31;96(1):47-59.

    [MORE]

    Abstract

    The determination of the cause of death in asphyxiation gas cases is very difficult because of the variation in circumstances surrounding such deaths. To clarify the cause of death and to identify the factors involved in asphyxia, the symptoms during asphyxia, the concentration of gases at the respiratory arrest, the time to death and the concentration of the gaseous substances in the tissues were studied using rats and six gases. Three inhalations were used: (1) rapid asphyxia (2-3 min) in the exposure chamber in which the oxygen was depleted completely, (2) prolonged asphyxia (20-25 min) by gradually depleted oxygen, and (3) asphyxia by the inhalation of gases saturated with a critical gas concentration, maintaining the O2 at 20% (60 min). In the rapid asphyxia groups, respiratory arrest occurred within 30 to 40 s, followed by cardiac arrest 2 or 3 min thereafter. Severe convulsions were observed only with the use of nitrogen. In the prolonged asphyxia groups, respiratory arrest occurred at the concentration of 4-5% O2 with non-toxic gases (N2, CH4, N2O, and propane). The toxic gases CO2 and Freon-22 produced respiratory arrest at the concentration of 6.6-8.0% O2 (60-67% CO2) and 13-14% of O2 (30-35% Freon-22), respectively. Variations in the concentrations of the gases among the tissues was observed according to the type of asphyxia, type of gas and the duration of exposure. The concentration of the fat-soluble gases in the adipose tissue showed marked variation according to the duration of the exposure. The distribution pattern of methane was different from those of the other gases, in which the variation of concentrations among the tissues except lung were little in both rapid and prolonged asphyxia. These phenomena were considered to be attributable to the solubility of the gaseous substances in blood and tissues. Atrophy in the alveoli was observed after the rapid asphyxia with CO2 and N2O. Local hemorrhaging in the lungs was also observed, especially in CO2 asphyxia. The risks of oxygen-depletion asphyxia are the rapid reaction of loss of consciousness and respiratory and cardiac arrest. This paper presents valuable findings for the diagnosis of the cause of death and estimating the situation of the accident in cases of asphyxia.

    • Replies: @Theodore
  778. turtle says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The military engineers sure know how to do it quickly and efficiently but you now worry that German military engineers had problems doing the same behind the front lines

    No, I do not “worry” about anything, nor did I claim the German military engineers had “problems.”
    If the bodies were disposed of, then obviously the task was accomplished. The victims were at least given some kind of burial, even if only for sanitary reasons unrelated to respect for the dead (unlike Pol Pot’s infamous massacres in Cambodia, where the corpses were left to rot in the jungle, or so they say).

    And you are correct, corpse disposal after battle (where the remains, such as they are, may be scattered over a large area) has indeed involved the necessity of mass graves. Thanks to the Web, it is much easier today to look up esoteric information than it would have been even thirty years ago.

    My intention was to shed some light on the magnitude of the problem involved, and what might be required in order to accomplish the necessary task. As you have noted, the “football stadium” assertions are ludicrous. If you are going to do the calculation, at least do it right.

    Further comments:

    Large numbers tend to boggle the mind, at least for most people, and I include myself in that group.
    A prime example related to WWII, at least for me, is the scale of the conflict in eastern Europe.
    The Wehrmacht invaded the USSR with how many divisions? Let’s see, at ~10,000 men per division, that comes to ____ men. And what was the population of Germany at that time? Was it even possible for Germany to field that large an army? Do the numbers make sense, large though they may be? And what were they up against? They took how many prisoners, and still the Red Army kept coming? Destroyed how many Russian tanks, only to see more headed their way. Was Corporal Hitler a military idiot who led his country to ruin through his own hubris and stupidity, ignoring the advice of his professional military, which was among the best the world had seen up to that time? Certainly seems that way to me, though I am no military strategist nor history buff.

    WWII was before my time (b. 1949), but I well remember Gen. Norman Schwartzkopf’s self-congratulatory PR conference after wiping out the Iraqi army. He did not give even estimated casualty figures for the Iraqi army, saying only, “There were large numbers of dead in those units.”
    However, the military maps showed a claimed disposition of Iraqi forces, and published newspaper accounts recounted how the U.S. forces dealt with the Iraqi forces in trenches, as well as. IIRC correctly, an estimated death rate, which I believe was ~90%. Given that information, courtesy of the U.S. Army, it is simple matter to estimate the total number of Iraqi dead. I conjecture many, or even most, people would probably not do that calculation, since they tend to deal with numbers only incidentally, and are not what I would call “numerically curious.” But, numbers are my life, my mind does work that way, and I almost reflexively want to measure and calculate stuff. “To measure is to know.” (Lord Kelvin)

    You will notice I did not publish my “back of the envelope” calculations, for several reasons.
    1. Calculations necessarily involve estimates and assumptions, which are subject to challenge.
    Given the topic, this will rapidly degenerate into an information free food fight, in which I do not wish to participate. You at least are civil. Others here are not.
    2. I did not carry my “ballpark” calculations through to conclusion, only went as far as my curiosity took me, which was not all that far.
    3. I believe everyone should think for himself. If you want to investigate any topic, you should do so, and not rely on whatever professor X, or “noted author” Y, said about it. Do your own investigation, whether it involves original research or not, and draw your own conclusions.

    A personal note:
    Many years ago, I had a co-worker whose job in the U.S. Army during the Vietnam era was Graves Registration. Bob was stationed at whatever post is closest to Arlington National Cemetery. I asked him if it bothered him to be burying dead people all the time. He said no, it was just a job.
    I knew this man well, and considered him a friend. He was certainly no sociopath, just a normal guy.

    I did know people who were in combat in that conflict. They are another story altogether. I have never known anyone who has seen violent death up close who was not profoundly affected by it.
    I could get more personal than that, but I choose to stop here.

  779. Anon[645] • Disclaimer says:

    Here is an outtake of Claude Lanzman’s interviews with polish villagers in the VILLAGE of Grabow about the early gassing vans at Chelmno 20 miles away.

    https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1004445

    Easily falsifiable. So called witness testimony is low level evidence in wartime, to start. Learn how evidence works before you present it, to avoid sounding like a low education, low IQ dunce.

    That’s compounded with the fact that the Jews have been falsifying their holocaust claims for decades, and have both admitted and been outright caught doing so, and so their group credibility for presenting data is nil. The same as if any researcher organization was caught outright falsifying data once. The group, from then on out, would be essentially dead in the water in terms of the science community. As are the Jews in terms of claiming Holocaust evidence.

    https://www.jta.org/2017/01/31/united-states/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians

    Why should we learn about the so called history of Jews, a nation whose religious texts preach hate of us and our genocide?

    Whose religious texts preach the psychopathic apocalypse that will lead to Jews inheriting the world alone?

    Of a people who won’t leave even when given their own nation at great pain to the world, and are obviously great trouble for all who shelter them within their borders?

    A history that is likely largely falsified in general but especially at key points.

    A history that verifiably includes the Jewish ethnic cleansing of Cyrenaica and Cyprus that should have your people demonized the same as the Nazis were for your fairy tale.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Cyprus

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitos_War#Cyrenaica

    Your founding myths alone are variously held to be untrue by academics or otherwise better referred to the House of Joseph than Judah. Making your claimed heritage invalid / invented, to include your claimed rights to any land according to the books that you wrote and that had you mythologically taking the land through mass genocide.

    Moreover, you have typical ignorant Jewish arrogance that no one cares for.

    Your Holocaust fairy tale is meant only to prop up Jewish power. The world is exponentially rejecting the lie to reduce its resultant oppression. You are merely here to vainly attempt to preserve both.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  780. PG should have added some more lines from that opening verse of Sam Cooke’s song for the Holocaust deniers’ club:

    Don’t know much about history
    Don’t know much biology
    Don’t know much about a science book

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  781. @Fran Taubman

    Linda hilariously posts one of my all time favorite HolyCo$t gut busters.

    I haven’t watched the version Linda posted, but if it’s the full unedited version Suchomel tells the interviewer that the Jews pooped 6 rows deep when the mean, wicked Nazis started up the Diesel of Death.

    Just try to visualize that scene, my friends, and you will realize that “the holocaust” is one Howler after another. Real knee slappers.

    Hopefully Linda will post Yenkel Wiernek next, or Moshe Peer.

  782. Anon[645] • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    And a profoundly retarded street urchin like yourself has ‘the truth’…?

    You have proved conclusively to be of idiot-level intelligence…go squirt your diarrhea in someone else’s direction…I don’t have time to waste on a disposable moron…

    This little substance-free emotional eruption, typical of monkey level IQ, de facto concedes the argument to Truth3.

    • LOL: Truth3
    • Replies: @Truth3
  783. anarchyst says:
    @Truth3

    Even after the summation of WW2, jews had to be forced to use sanitary facilities. General George Patton wrote about the filthy habits of the jews. Soldiers had to use rifle butts on those who would not comply.

  784. FB says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Wow…what an incredible interview…

    So half the people that arrived in those cattle cars were already dead…and were then stacked on the platform like ‘firewood…’

    And then we have the total retards here saying they ‘brought’ the lice with them…

    And of course the ‘nonexistent’ gas chambers were operating at full capacity…and this was during the Stalingrad siege…quite early in the war…

    It makes you wonder just how mentally deficient humans can be…

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  785. Robjil says:

    A more recent Holocaust song would be appropriate for our time. The Holocaust of all of humanity.

    Don’t know who killed Kennedy

    Don’t know much of Dimona

    Don’t know who attacked the USS Liberty

    Don’t know who did nine eleven

    Don’t know about Christopher Bollyn and Laurent Guyenot

    Don’t know who created Isis

    Don’t know about the Israeli Secret Intelligence Service

    Don’t know much about Vicky Nuland

    Don’t know why she said “Fuck the EU”

    Don’t know much about the Seven Nations to Destroy

    Don’t know about Deuteronomy 7:1-2

    Don’t know much of Amalek

    Don’t know about Deuteronomy 25:19

    • Replies: @flashlight joe
  786. Anon[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    This brings to mind how nasty those evil Nazis truly were.

    That’s quite a verbose level of technical knowledge to try to give substance to false claims in order to arrive at the above single thesis of your exercise buried within the text.

    I would hold that evil is the anti-gentile genocidal Jewish texts that lend all the credence we require about Nazi claims in regard to Jews.

    I would hold that evil is the Holocaust lie.

    https://www.jta.org/2017/01/31/united-states/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians

    I would hold that evil is the verifiable Jewish “World to Come” that is the core of the Jewish religion and that mandates world mass genocide of non-Jews, and that the Germans were trying to stop.

    I would hold that evil is genocidal Jewish communism, which the Germans were trying to stop.

    I hold that evil is the Palesitnians / Philistines being held forever in group detention, per the Jewish textual demands for their group punishment, until they are finally mass genocided per the Jewish texts.

    I hold that evil is the Jewish textual mandate of the mass genocide of Arabs before their Messianic Age.

    I hold that evil is the Jewish self awarded entitlement to try to control the political direction, from within, of all gentile nations of the West.

    I hold that evil was the Jewish mass genocide of the Greek civilian populations on the islands of Cyprus and Cyrenaica.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Cyprus

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitos_War#Cyrenaica

    I hold that evil is the obvious and never ending trouble and burden that Jews represent to the world in general, as the central actors in the defining conflicts of the twentieth and twenty first centuries, along with their Islamic golem that is born of their pseudo-religion.

    • Replies: @renfro
  787. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “You know you can google and study Jewish history and maybe you would not sound so fucking ignorant, which is not so bad to be ignorant but your certainty is astounding. Like you really know. LOL. Why don’t you study and educate yourself”

    I would think that the F-ing ignorant one here is the sock puppet (Linda and her aliases) that can’t even spell ‘Hungary’.

  788. Here’s the transcript of Suchomel’s interview. I had forgotten just how much of a howler this is.

    On pages 118-120, Suchomel tells us that is was not the men, but only the women who pooped 6 rows deep.

    Has anyone read even one of these nutty fairy tales without bursting into laughter? How does anyone keep a straight face?

    pp. 118-120
    ———–

    Suchomel: In the “funnel,” the women had to wait. They heard the
    motors of the gas chambers. Maybe they also heard people screaming and
    imploring. As they waited, “death panic” overwhelmed them. “Death
    panic” makes people let go. They empty themselves, from the front or
    the rear. So often, where the women stoof, there were five or six rows
    of excrement.

    Lanzmann: They stood?

    Suchomel: They could squat or do it standing. I didn’t see them do it,
    I only saw the feces.

    Lanzmann: Only women?

    Suchomel: Not the men, only the women.

    http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/suchomel.franz/ftp.cgi?people/s/suchomel.franz//shoah-suchomel-transcript

  789. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @Germanicus

    Kindly stop wasting our time and polluting UR threads with repetitive nonsense. WW2 was terminated by the surrender of the Germans then the Japanese. And it is egregious nonsense to say that the US has been at war with Iran and Syria since 1941.

    • Disagree: Cowboy
  790. @Commentator Mike

    If TPTB are so communist, liberal, anti-Nazi, anti-fascist, why are they intent on flooding Germany with the immigrants

    What sort of stupid question is that? Why is the enemy state clause still in the UN charter? Tell me. The Un a masonic war alliance, doing the bidding of the Jews, ie its the “New World Order” that was pledged to them.

    The IMT mafia statutes state it clearly, and it has not changed one bit. The war is ongoing, but by other means, eg mass invasion of 3rd world scum. These are the foot solderers of the Jews.

    Germany has unconditionally surrendered, but no peace treaty has been signed or agreed upon. The Allies are still technically in a state of war with Germany, although the enemy’s political and military institutions have collapsed.

    You find french Rabbi Touitou, who openly states, the muslims are the iron broom of Israel to genocide “Edom”.

    They flood us with scum and garbage, so no German is left to make rightful claims, ie peace negotiation. Rights do not expire, claims might rest atm due to the occupation, but this will not be for all eternity be the case. Jews play on time here.

    The rest of your comment is insane conjecture, not even worth answering.

    • Replies: @Poco
  791. Anon[148] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    See post 798 for a response.

  792. Truth3 says:

    Regarding CO poisoning deaths by diesel exhaust at so called extermination camps in Poland … a little science.

    CO emissions vary, but of a diesel engine are approximately 0.1% by volume maximum…

    CO emissions are less than 1% of CO2 emissions, both by weight and by volume.

    To completely fill a room with exhaust is impossible in any reasonable amount of time, as the problem of air mixing (ventilation out) means the amount of CO entering into the room is increasingly balanced by the CO that exits, eventually the two are nearly balanced.

    Less than 0.1% CO? Not enough to kill in any reasonable amount of time. But it never even got there.

    As for lack of Oxygen asphyxiation, I’d be happy to tackle that one next.

  793. @Commentator Mike

    To update & paraphrase an old saying, “it’s better to curse the Zionist Jew & Shabbos goy darkness than to unscientifically light a candle.”

    Below, fyi, Supremacist Jews are fortunate a great majority of my fellow “Homelanders” never got exposed to Carl Sagan’s book, linked below, “The Demon Haunted World.”🙄

  794. Truth3 says:
    @Anon

    FB acts just like the Israeli street thugs that terrorize Palestinian women and children on the streets of the West Bank of Palestine… Uzi in hand, full of spit and foul language.

    Simply unhygienic and angry thieves and liars… as all zio-bozos are.

  795. Ahoy says:

    Hey brother Chuck, I love your line.
    ” In contrast ‘bullshiting’ is becoming a form of ‘entertainment’ in my Homeland”. You see, by throwing the masses to this popular sport Americans can not comprehend that the other side never bullshits.

    Here is a small example.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  796. @S

    How is Multiculturalism a “synthesis” of Capitalism and Communism?

  797. Corvinus says:
    @Oemikitlob

    “It seems that what many people take issue with is that they don’t believe it happened the way they are told it happened, for the reasons they are told it happened, to the extent they are told it happened nor by the parties they are told were solely responsible for it.”

    I would say a number of people take umbrage with certain facts, statistics, and accounts, but those same people are likely to admit the Holocaust did happen. Who YOU are describing are those who flat out reject the Holocaust ever occurred.

    • Replies: @Oemikitlob
  798. Corvinus says:
    @Robjil

    “If a real Jewish Holocaust happened in WWII, why are these Jewish Zionist pushing for endless wars in the Middle East?”

    You are going down a rabbit hole here. Focus on the topic, which is the Holocaust. It happened.

    As far as the endless wars in the Middle East, there are a number of groups of people who are involved, including Jews. Blaming them exclusively or for the most part is simply an opinion that you hold.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @annamaria
  799. Corvinus says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    “Corvinus is an “ideologue who likes to tell people how to think.””

    Pot calling the kettle black. The reality is that I offer counter positions which are based on reason and evidence. That is called dialectic conversation. I also offer rhetoric when the situation arises. The problem is that you have difficulties recognizing the difference.

    Would you like to know more, citizen?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  800. Corvinus says:
    @renfro

    “There is no chance of proving the holocaust a fake in time to stop the Jews from further damaging America and the ME.”

    Except the Holocaust happened. Nothing fake about it.

    “If you see how hard a no bullshit stance Kennedy took with Israel you will know they assassinated him.”

    Perhaps they were involved. Then again, maybe not.

    “Exactly…people should be paying attention to what the Jews are doing today……which was what Phil was bringing to our attention in this article.”

    Actually, we should be paying attention to what globalists and neo-cons and corporate capitalists are doing today, including Trump (remember him, he works closely with Jews). Those groups consist of Jews and non-Jews.

    Praytell, what are YOU doing to stop these machinations besides lamenting on a blog? Why not run for political office on this platform? You know, demonstrate your nationalism.

    • Replies: @renfro
  801. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @FB

    Any one interested should review Claude Lanzman’s 9 hour film Shoa, where he interviews just the regular folk on secret cameras and interviews.
    It starts out with the gassing vans at Chelmno, which I do not think the deniers have come across. There were Jews rounded up 20 miles away and the village people witnessed it and knew who the people were.
    It is staggering testimony, people talking with no teeth and just talking like it was yesterday. It was made in 1987 when a lot of people were still alive.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @FB
  802. Ron Unz says:
    @FB

    Well, since this extremely long thread just broke 100,000 words, I decided to finally glance a little at the bottom and noticed this:

    And a profoundly retarded street urchin like yourself has ‘the truth’…?

    You have proved conclusively to be of idiot-level intelligence…go squirt your diarrhea in someone else’s direction…I don’t have time to waste on a disposable moron…

    I think that “FB” character has probably blown his “deep cover.” It seems a little implausible that anyone except a fanatic Jewish-activist type would react in so bizarre and emotional fashion.

    Various types of human sub-morphs tend to follow fairly predictable behavior-patterns in their Internet commentary…

    • Agree: geokat62, ChuckOrloski
    • LOL: FB
    • Replies: @Truth3
  803. Robjil says:
    @Corvinus

    Jewish Holocaust,as imagined by our rulers, is of the past and it is a dogma.

    It can’t be examined, talked about rationally, or investigated otherwise one gets jail time or become jobless. The worship of it is set in stone. It is an idol.

    The Holocaust of the present can be stopped. Seven Nations to Destroy theme comes from the Torah/Old Testament 7.1-2. It is a Jewish theme or one could say a 500 BC Zion theme since the Torah was written in 500 BC. There is no getting around it is a 500 BC Zion theme this Seven Nations to Destroy game. Iran is last one. Our 500 BC Zion rulers want to get Iran to end the goal of their nine eleven false flag.

    If you still do not think this new Holocaust is not a Jewish Zion 500 BC thing. Then why the constant connections to Jewish holidays or Jewish themes for these wars.

    1991 ended on Iraq ended on Purim

    2003 war on Iraq started on Purim

    2011 war on Libya started on Purim

    2019 Trump “gives” Golan Heights to Israel

    Nine eleven theme comes from the Sefer Yezirat, a 2nd century Kabbala text. This is from Chapter one, verse 4.

    https://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/yetzirah.htm

    4. Ten are the numbers of the ineffable Sephiroth, ten and not nine, ten and not eleven. Learn this wisdom, and be wise in the understanding of it, investigate these numbers, and draw knowledge from them, fix the design in its purity, and pass from it to its Creator seated on his throne.

    To have all these connections, people at the top are using Jewish themes for these wars. One can say 500 BC Zion since it all based Torah writings.

    As Schumer said ” We have the Torah and the Palestinians”. Sadly, this 500 BC Torah is being used against all of humanity not only the Palestinians.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  804. turtle says:
    @Commentator Mike

    CO can kill without warning, being odorless and tasteless.
    As you may know, CO, like CN, is deadly because, being a polar molecule, it displaces O2 from binding to hemoglobin. CN is deadlier than CO, because it has a larger dipole moment than CO.
    I once worked with a fellow who was nearly killed by CO leaking from the exhaust of his old Chevy.
    As it was winter, the windows were closed. He had no clue until he pulled into a rest stop, went to the toilet, and promptly passed out, hitting his head on the lavatory on the way to the floor.

    CO2, being heavier than either N2 or O2, kills by displacing those gases, thereby causing hypoxia, and death. CO2 is emitted in large quantities in at least some volcanic eruptions. As the CO2 rolls down a valley, animals which cannot get their nostrils above the level of the gas will die. I have seen videos of this happening. If you are interested, you can probably find same on the Web. Humans who work at subsurface elevations, say in an excavation, sewer, or cable vault, must be on guard against the possibility of asphyxiation by gases such as CO2 and H2S (see below). Typically, some combination of ventilation, supplied air (SCBA) plus a hole watch, is required. There are numerous accounts of would be heroes who entered a subsurface confined space without proper PPE (i.e. SCBA) in an attempt to “save” some one who was unconscious due to CO2 asphyxiation. They died too.

    SO2 is typically found in stack gas from power plants which use a fuel containing sulfur, such as coal or fuel oil. Sulfur is typically removed from modern motor fuels, as it poisons catalysts. Drive by any oil refinery, and you may see great mounds of (bright yellow) elemental sulfur, a result of desulfurization. SO2 is not toxic at the threshold of taste, and causes no symptoms at that level. You will taste it before you smell it. It is harmful at higher concentrations, and is a tightly controlled pollutant in the USA since late 1960s. As well, SO2 can further oxidize to SO3, which will form H2SO4 upon contact with H2O vapor, given a suitable solid catalyst such as elemental carbon in power plant stack gas. The resultant is known as “acid smut.”

    H2S is a deadly gas (smells like rotten eggs) which is found in sewer gas and, notably, in crude petroleum. It kills quickly by respiratory paralysis, in low concentrations. If you can smell it, you need to get OUT of the plume, immediately. Drive by an oil refinery, you will see wind socks. The wind socks are there in case of a toxic gas release. The most common toxic gas is H2S. In case of an H2S release, a LOUD and distinctive audible alarm should sound. Basic refinery safety training is to look at the wind socks, and run as fast as you can, crosswise to the plume.

    • Replies: @Alden
  805. @Chris Mallory

    You make reference to “millions starved to death by various communist regimes” as if it offers meaningful comparison with what was done to Jews (and gypsies). You thereby draw attention to a critical difference between the fate of Jews in German concentration camps and prisoners in the Soviet gulag. Soviet imprisonment was for political offences and largely of men. Germans used considerable resources to transport women and children and old people. Why? And why? After they had presided over hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of Soviet POWs starving to death because they could not feed them did the Nazis recklessly send Jewish women and children to suffer the same fate?

    • Replies: @annamaria
  806. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    oh dear.
    I do hope he was soon able to drive that little ball into a hole with the same force as before.
    It is upon such that the survival of civilization depends.

  807. Che Guava says:

    After having read Israeli Holocaust porn (as in, not sexual but just bullshit victimology. then noticing the disclaimer ‘This is a work of fiction.’ In tiny print.

    Meeting real live Israelis I would avoid them at all times now, I was an external witness to a gang rape by a group of them, they had clearly drugged the girl, but not expecting such things, and this being years ago,, thinking to innocent. I didn’t work out what had been happening until later, by degrees.

    One regret of my life is not running to report it to the police, as the rape was happening. However,

    I didn’t understand how evil they were.

    This not to generalise, but, while I have met pleasant Jewish people (a small minority of them), I have never met a pleasant Israeli.

  808. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Any one interested should review Claude Lanzman’s 9 hour film Shoa

    Holocaust™ porn for the super-saturated addict.

    when a lot of people were still alive.

    !

  809. turtle says:
    @Commentator Mike

    if you have time on your hands

    Actually, I do not, as I have a business to run and living to make.
    I am aware there is a “controversy” as to what may, or may not, have happened at Auschwitz.
    Personally, I am not all that interested in the details of exactly how many innocent people perished there, or of what specific causes.

    It is clear the number of innocent victims is LARGE, and that is good enough for me.

  810. Rurik says:
    @Parfois1

    I understand the Neo-Nazi propaganda needs to justify Uncle Adolph’s rampage through Europe as a pre-emptive strike to prevent the emergence of a threat to Germany. That is also the rationale of the neo-cons (mostly obeying Jewish’s orders) directing the US wars of aggression in order to prevent the emergence of a rival after the dissolution of the USSR.

    you answer your own question.

    The Bolshevik take over of Russia was a Jewish supremacist operation.

    It you don’t know that, then you’re either an imbecile, or a liar.

    The exact same Jewish supremacist imperative that they dominate everyone and everything in absolute terms. And slaughter the best of the Gentiles as their evolutionary Darwinian psychopathology.

    Duh.

    So as we all see it playing out today, it was no less true in the 1930s, as these vicious supremacist scum were starving the best Gentiles to death in Ukraine. And agitating for commie control of Germany.

    The Bolsheviks were busily building a new country from scratch and wanted to be left alone.

    exactly like they’re doing today in Palestine. Using the same methods and same mentality.

    It was the imperialist powers (France, England, US, Japan) plus Poland who invaded the USSR..

    I didn’t think it was even possible for someone to be that stupid.

    It was ((bankers)) in London and NYC who funded the Bolsheviks, fool.

    It was corrupt and treasonous scum in the White House who facilitated the Bolshevik rise to power. Woodrow Wilson intervened on Trotsky’s behalf, in order to enslave Russia to the fiend.

    I have not come across yet any Soviet antagonistic discourse towards Germany;

    Kill the Germans, wherever you find them! Every German is our moral enemy. Have no mercy on women, children, or the aged! Kill every German – wipe them out!

    Ilya Ehrenburg

    Do not count the days, do not count the miles. Count only the Germans you have killed. Kill the German – this is your old mother’s prayer. Kill the German – this is what your children beseech you to do. Kill the German – this is the cry of your Russian earth. Do not waver. Do not let up. Kill.

    Ilya Ehrenburg

    Kill, you brave Red-Army men, kill! There is nothing that the German is not guilty of. Comrade Stalin instructs us to put down this rabid animal. Break, with your force, the arrogant racial-pride of the Germanic woman.

    Ilya Ehrenburg

    Please don’t repeat the hare-brained meme that the Soviet troops had an offensive disposition, if you have a modicum of sef-respect.

    all anyone with a shred of intelligence or integrity needs to know about the Soviets- was how they behaved after the war. When they could have gone home and demonstrated to the world their benign nature, but instead they took the opportunity to enslave virtually every single inch of ground and terrified soul the Red Army rapists could profane.

    The behavior of the Soviets after the war was over, was all the proof anyone would ever need that Hitler was right, and that these Jewish supremacists are a menace.

    If you don’t believe me, ask an Iraqi, or Syrian, or Palestinian, or Russian in Donbas, or Libyan, or Lebanese, or Iranian, or Hungarian, (Bela Kun), or Estonian, or Ukrainian, or one of tens of thousands of Poles who lost loved ones at Katyn…

    And on and on and on and on…

    The only hope this planet has is for the people of France, (under occupation today by the fiend), or the people of England, (descending into an Orwellian dystopia), and the people of the ZUS, being sent all over the globe to kill and destroy for Zion….

    … will be the day that the world, racked by Jewish supremacist horrors, wakes up one day and says. ‘holy fuck, Hitler was right!’.

    • Replies: @Alden
  811. Theodore says:
    @Fran Taubman

    hidden camera interview with this Franz Suchomel

    Suchomel was a POW in American captivity from April 1945 to August 1945.
    Suchomel still had a threat of 2 years in jail over his head when Lanzmann shot his over-boring Zionist atrocity propaganda movie.

    Shoah film ‘witnesses’ were paid says director Lanzmann
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1393

    Have you seen this:

    Franz Suchomel’s ‘confession’ demolished by Jean-Francois Beaulieu
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=9836

    P. Winter Debunks Suchomel’s Fake “Confession” & C. Lanzmann
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=9072

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  812. Alden says:
    @onebornfree

    So, instead of blathering on the internet criticizing people who send their kids to public schools, why don’t you get to work and make enough money to send your kids to private school?

    I’ll bet an apartment building that you, your siblings, your children , your parents and all your extended family went to government public schools instead of private schools or home schools.
    There are plenty of non public schools all over the country and easily accessible.

    If you don’t have kids I suggest you donate some money to a local Catholic or Protestant school that calls itself Christian rather than Lutheran Anglican etc which are even more nauseatingly liberal than public schools.

    While you’re at it, unhook your home from the city water and sewer system and dig an outhouse and well.

  813. @Theodore

    Some at least of your answers undermine your case.

    1. The idea that Jewish women and children and old people, separated from the working age males and unmarried women would be dangerous partisans is ridiculous;
    2. Given the widespread anti-Semitism in Europe it would have made more sense to treat native French, Dutch etc as potential partisans and at least they were as eligible as Jews;
    3. Even if you can suppose that a fantasy of resettlement could have survived Stalingrad into 1943 the resettlement argument just won’t wash for the May 1944 deportations of Hungarian Jews.
    4. As to it being easy for them to have killed all Jews, killing them all wasn’t obviously a project on which the extremists could count on lockstep conformity of all Germans or even Wehrmacht or SS personnel. Christianity hadn’t died in Germany, many Germans had Jewish friends, and it was German atrocities which inspired formerly loyal enthusiasts like Claus von Stauffenberg to rebel. And killing all was not compatible with pragmatic judgments such as retaining Mischlingen in the armed forces. Moreover killing all as opposed to a substantial majority of those with brains and money was unnecessary.

    The fact that the Germans already knew in early 1942 that it was beyond them logistically to feed their Soviet POWs made it madness to suppose it made sense to move non worker Jews into camps.

    Your reference to ghettos appears to be disingenuous. Ghettos in context did not include urban areas where Jews happened to congregate non exclusively. They were the areas, like the Warsaw ghetto where the Germans forced all Jews to live and which were not open but surrounded by walls and wire. You haven’t answered the question why the Germans thus segregated them as they did in Poland, though not, as far as I know, in Germany.

    Since Jews were no more likely to be partisans in Poland than other Poles (probably less being urbanites) why were they given special treatment?

    • Replies: @Theodore
    , @Theodore
  814. @Brewer

    adopted false identities

    .

    Lvov During the Holocaust

    Felix Horn…They escaped to the “Aryan” side of Warsaw and obtained false papers.

    Wilek (William) Loew…shortly before the Germans destroyed the Lvov ghetto, Wilek obtained false papers, assumed the name of a Christian coworker, and fled to Hungary

    Adela Litwak…My brother-in-law bought me a false ID card from a Pole. Becoming Ksenia Osoba, a Polish Catholic, I left Lvov in September

    Sophie Turner-Zaretsky was born Selma Schwarzwald in Lvov…Selma and Laura lived under false identities. Sophie had gradually forgotten that she was Jewish and did not learn of her Jewish identity until after the war…Daniel finally managed to get false papers for his wife and daughter and insisted they make plans to leave

  815. Theodore says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Nobody really claims it’s impossible for someone to die from such things. It’s just a ridiculous choice.

    The Diesel Gas Chambers: Ideal for Torture – Absurd for Murder
    https://codoh.com/library/document/926/

    The nazis had far better methods to use. It’s like using a Rube Goldberg machine.
    If the goal was to exterminate millions of Jews as systematically as possible, the Nazis would have used the efficient and cheap methods which were readily available.

  816. Alden says:
    @Rurik

    Great post Rurik, keep them coming, although I’m not as optimistic as you.

    Wasn’t Ehrenburg the liar who made up the Babi Yar lying tale about a massacre that never happened.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  817. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    There is a difference between depressed and disgusted….I am disgusted by you and your kind.
    I would be depressed if I didn’t know that eventually it will result, as it always has, in your downfall.

    One doesnt have to be a psychologist to see the ‘collective malignant narcissism’ of the tribe.
    In comes thru in all the actions of zionist and in all comments of your kind. ….you and FB are classic examples of the traits:

    Sadism
    Pathological lying
    Hypersensitivity To Criticism
    Paranoia
    Lack Of Empathy
    Failure To Accept Responsibility
    Need For Adoration
    Delusions Of Grandeur
    Envy
    Egocentricity

    The Tribe itself is a collective narcissist group with a self-defensive tendency to invest unfulfilled self-entitlement into a belief about ingroup’s uniqueness and greatness. Thus, the ingroup is expected to become a vehicle of actualisation of frustrated self-entitlement.
    It uses both ‘victimhood’ which implies a weak and inferior status and then goes in the other direction claiming ‘superiority to other humans.
    Collective narcissism is characterized by the members of a group holding an inflated view of their ingroup which requires external validation……that their group’s importance and worth are not sufficiently recognised by others and that their group deserves special treatment. They insist that their group must obtain special recognition and respect.

    All of the above is as obvious as daylight in everything Jewish Zionist like you and FB say….demands to be ‘capitulated to and respected then flying into rage when you are not.
    I have said now and then that Jews are the stupidest people on the face of earth because they ‘ Never Learn’

    Your narcissism causes you to be so stupid that you cannot see that most of the world sees what you are……and this explanation for why you are despised will evaporate in your brain cavity and never be processed….because there is no cure for malignant narcissism.

  818. Alden says:
    @turtle

    Very interesting. I’ll save it. Maybe one of the kids can make a science report about it. A real science report, not just parroting global warming propaganda

  819. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @Saggy

    Great Suvorov presentation. That Russian sense of irony, humor and humility keeps bleeding through. We also see it in Putin, Lavrov and even Orlov.

    It really shows that Stalin suckered Hitler and got him to invade Poland. Stalin then was hoping Hitler would exhaust Germany in the west, and thats why Stalin had airfields 800m from the German border in June 1941.

    To me it provides loads more evidence that Stalin and Churchill were on the same team from before August 1939.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  820. @Corvinus

    Haha. Corvinus asked me: “Would you like to know more, citizen?”

    Uh, you mean here; you reverse Hegel-dialectic fucker? 🙄

    And fyi, & in the spirit of Vedder’s Pearl Jam, I am Black, haha, and no, Corvinus, my comment-exchange involvement begins when Philip Giraldi releases his weekly U.R. articles. Haha. Not you, (Zigh), your offerings drop into my black kettle waste repository.🤗

    And a clarification to all who remain assembled at this long article comment-thread:
    Corvinus’s comments are the deceptive parts that get thrown away, and doing so does not bog down one’s essential awareness system.

  821. Theodore says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Some at least of your answers undermine your case.

    Incorrect

    1. The idea that Jewish women and children and old people, separated from the working age males and unmarried women would be dangerous partisans is ridiculous;

    Nonsense. A woman or 12 year old child with a gun can certainly kill people. Hand them a grenade and they’re just as deadly as a fully grown man!

    2. Given the widespread anti-Semitism in Europe it would have made more sense to treat native French, Dutch etc as potential partisans and at least they were as eligible as Jews;

    No that doesn’t make any sense at all. Further, the Nazis were quite clear that the “Final Solution” was to have all Jews out of Europe. While the war was still going on, they chose to intern them. Not really hard to understand, unless you’re trying hard to not understand it.

    Once again I will remind you that the Americans interned people of Japanese descent. Men, women, children, elderly. They did not discriminate!

    3. Even if you can suppose that a fantasy of resettlement could have survived Stalingrad into 1943 the resettlement argument just won’t wash for the May 1944 deportations of Hungarian Jews.

    It makes perfect sense. The goal was to have every single Jew out of Europe. Since the ‘Final Solution’ was to be postponed until after the war, it made sense to the Germans to intern the Jews in a central location so they could quickly resettle them once it was over.

    4. As to it being easy for them to have killed all Jews, killing them all wasn’t obviously a project on which the extremists could count on lockstep conformity of all Germans or even Wehrmacht or SS personnel. Christianity hadn’t died in Germany, many Germans had Jewish friends, and it was German atrocities which inspired formerly loyal enthusiasts like Claus von Stauffenberg to rebel. And killing all was not compatible with pragmatic judgments such as retaining Mischlingen in the armed forces. Moreover killing all as opposed to a substantial majority of those with brains and money was unnecessary.

    Yet they managed to have millions of Jews supposedly gassed at concentration camps, where thousands of Jews managed to survive, even though they could have been gassed. Quite ridiculous.

    Your reference to ghettos appears to be disingenuous. Ghettos in context did not include urban areas where Jews happened to congregate non exclusively. They were the areas, like the Warsaw ghetto where the Germans forced all Jews to live and which were not open but surrounded by walls and wire. You haven’t answered the question why the Germans thus segregated them as they did in Poland, though not, as far as I know, in Germany.

    It makes perfect sense. They wanted to know where every single Jew was. They wanted to have total control so, when the war was over, they could round up every single Jew and deport them out of Europe. So having them all in a centralized location (such as a ghetto) was useful for that, since they were waiting for the war to be over to actually resettle them.

    Since Jews were no more likely to be partisans in Poland than other Poles (probably less being urbanites) why were they given special treatment?

    I do not agree with the premise here at all. Further, it was a Final Solution to totally remove Jews from Europe. The idea was a Europe free of Jews. Who is claiming even that the Nazis wanted to exterminate all Poles? Never heard that, you may believe it but nobody else really does.

    There are many documents detailing the purpose of the Ghettos, as a sort of “transit camp” where the Jews were to be centralized until they could be further moved out of Europe.

    [MORE]

    Originally the Nazis had the “Madagascar Plan” but when this was determined to be untenable, they changed it to deporting Jews to the east. This was after the start of the Russian campaign. The idea was to deport the Jews to the newly conquered eastern territories. This change was announced 22 August 1941 by SS-Sturmbannführer Carltheo Zeitschel, an advisor at the German embassy in Paris, who wrote a note to the attention of ambassador Otto Abet:
    The progressive conquest and occupation of the far eastern territories can presently bring the Jewish problem in all of Europe to a final satisfactory solution within a very short time. As is seen from the cries for assistance by all the Jews of Palestine in their press to the American Jews, over 6 million Jews reside in the territories occupied by us during the last weeks, especially Bessarabia, which means one-third of World Jewry. During the new arranging of the eastern lands, these 6 million Jews would have to be collected anyhow and a special territory presumably marked off for them. It shouldn’t be too big a problem, at this opportunity, if the Jews from all the other European countries are added to this and the Jews presently crammed into ghettos in Warsaw, Litzmannstadt, Lublin, etc. are also deported there.

    As far as the occupied territories are concerned, such as Holland, Belgium, Luxemburg, Norway, Yugoslavia, Greece, the Jews can simply be transported by military order in mass-transports into the new territory, and it can be suggested to the rest of the states that they follow the example and get rid of their Jews by sending them to this territory. We could then have Europe free of Jews within a very short time.”

    The plan of deporting the Jews into the eastern territories had already been considered earlier several times. On April 2, 1941, even before the start of the eastern campaign, Reichsminister Rosenberg had toyed with the thought: “of making use to a greater extent of Muscovite Russia as a disposal region for undesirable elements of the population.”

    On July 17, 1941, General Governor Frank made the following entry in his work diary:
    “The Herr Governor General wants no further ghetto-formation, since according to an expressive declaration of the Führer of June 19 of this year, the Jews would be removed from the General Gouvernement within a foreseeable time, and the General Gouvernement is supposed to be only a sort of transit camp.

    On September 24, 1941, Goebbels had a conversation with Heydrich in the Führer’s headquarters; on the day after, he wrote in his diary that the Jews in the Ghettoes of the East: “in the end are all supposed to be transported […] into the camps built by the Bolsheviks.”

    The first orders with respect to the Jews in the eastern territories were harsh, but in no way aimed at an extermination. The paragraph “Guidelines for the handling of the Jewish question” in the ‘Brown Portfolio’ dating from June 20, 1941, intended the isolation of the local Jews from the rest of the population and their exclusion from economic, social, and cultural life by means of ghettoization:
    Freedom of movement is immediately abolished for all Jews. A transfer to ghettos is aimed at, which is facilitated in White Russia and in the Ukraine by the presence of numerous more or less closed Jewish settlements. A Jewish self-government with Jewish police can be given to these ghettos under supervision.”

    The “Temporary guidelines for the treatment of the Jews in the territory of the Reichskommissariat Ostland”, which were presented to Rosenberg on August 13, 1941, also planned strict measures for the exclusion of Jews from public life and their concentration in ghettos:
    “The Jews are to be concentrated as far as is practicable in cities or sections of cities, which already have a predominantly Jewish populace. Ghettos are to be established there. The Jews are to be prohibited from leaving the ghettos. In the ghettos, they are to be allowed to have as much food as the rest of the populace can do without, but not more than necessary for a scanty nutrition of the occupants. The same applies to supplying them with essential goods.”

    After a reference to the self-government in the ghettos, the “Guidelines” deal with deployment of the Jews for labor:
    “The Jews who are capable of working are to be conscripted for forced labor according to the need for labor. The economic interests of residents, who are worthy of advancement, are not to be permitted to be injured by the Jewish forced labor. The forced labor can be performed in work parties outside of the ghettos, inside the ghetto, or, where ghettos have not yet been established, also individually outside of the ghettos (e.g. in the workshop of the Jews).”

  822. renfro says:
    @Corvinus

    “There is no chance of proving the holocaust a fake in time to stop the Jews from further damaging America and the ME.”

    That was directed to those who seek to prove it didn’t..as if that would change something ‘in time’ to rid the US government of our Israeli Fifth Column.

    ”Praytell, what are YOU doing to stop these machinations besides lamenting on a blog? Why not run for political office on this platform? You know, demonstrate your nationalism.”

    Probably more than you are…..and I am not a nationalist. I am a patriot….there is a difference.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  823. @Fran Taubman

    Absolutely hilarious! Why would anyone have to lie about Wiernek, when the book he wrote is comedy gold?

    Wiernek’s own words show that he personally witnessed a naked flying Jewess leap over a 10 foot fence, topped with razor wire, and then disarm and kill 2 fully armed and trained SS soldiers, before finally succumbing herself at the hands of Sgt Schultz?

    Why would anyone lie about Wiernek when his own words show that the mean wicked Germans were too stupid to build a “gas chamber” and so Wiernek had to build it for them?

    Why would anyone lie about Wiernek, when his own words show that this sedentary 50 year old man suddenly turned into Superman, and ran back to back marathons all day long for months while dragging dead Jews behind him? All the while competing with other Jews to see who could drag and burn the most Jews each day?

    No one will top Wiernek’s gut busters. Not even Leon Wells. Wiernek is in a class all by himself, and everyone should read his collection of gut-busters.

    http://www.zchor.org/treblink/wiernik.htm

  824. @Cowboy

    To me it provides loads more evidence that Stalin and Churchill were on the same team from before August 1939.

    https://archive.org/details/ZionismVsBolshevismByWinstonChurchill

    The crazy thing is, Churchill the drunkard actually was pro-Zionist as were the Germans, yet his jewish overlords effectively managed Churchill to support Bolshevism, due to his debts to them. Churchill was a total tool, utterly corrupt and stupid.

    Churchill actually also had an eye on the Oilfields at Baku, and there were British plans to take them by force from Stalin, but they never materialized though.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  825. @Corvinus

    Do you have direct quotations from the Rothschilds themselves that admitted they started wars for their benefit?

    You mean something like direct quotations from Rudolf Höss https://inconvenienthistory.com/10/1/5204
    or Oswald Pohl?
    https://inconvenienthistory.com/10/3/5924

    I dunno. Maybe you can get someone — Rothschild’s valet, or proctologist — to advise whether Rothschild’s testicles have been crushed.

    • Agree: Robjil
  826. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @renfro

    I think you are 2nd to the last on your list, you sound desperately jealous. Low self esteem?

  827. Theodore says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Map (image) of Jewish Partisan activity, from the US Holocaust Memorial Museum:

    Caption:
    “Despite enormous obstacles, many Jews throughout German-occupied Europe attempted armed resistance against the Germans. Individual Jews or groups of Jews engaged in planned or spontaneous opposition to the Germans and their allies. Jewish partisans were especially active in the east, where they fought the Germans from bases established behind the front lines in forests and ghettos. Because antisemitism was widespread there, they found little support among the surrounding population. Even so, as many as 20,000 Jews fought the Germans in the forests of eastern Europe.”

    As for “Why the children?” children grow up:

    Military use of children in World War II
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_use_of_children_in_World_War_II
    “In World War II, children frequently fought in both the Allied and Axis forces… During the Holocaust, Jews of all ages participated in the Jewish resistance simply to survive… More than 100,000 young Jews participated in resistance youth movements, despite the Germans outlawing such activity.”

    Soviet women in World War II
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_women_in_World_War_II
    “There were 800,000 women who served in the Soviet Armed Forces during the war”

    And of course, click “Read more” under comment #842 for actual German documents proving the Ghettos were containment zones for Jews, so they could be quickly deported after the war.

  828. @Theodore

    The opening paragraphs of Victor Klemperer’s I Will Bear Witness https://archive.org/stream/KlempererVictorIWillBearWitness19421945ADiaryOfTheNaziYears/Klemperer%2C+Victor+-+I+Will+Bear+Witness++A+Diary+of+the+Nazi+Years%2C+1933-1941_djvu.txt

    provoked my starting a database project:

    Here’s what Klemperer wrote:

    At the beginning of February 1945, there were 198 registered Jews, including Victor Klemperer, left in the city and the district of Dresden. The remainder of the 1,265 who had been in the city in late 1941 had been deported to Riga, to Auschwitz, to Theresienstadt. 1 Many were shot or
    gassed on arrival. [How does Klemper know this? -ed.] Some had committed suicide on receiving notice of deportation. A handful survived.

    . . . On the morning of Tuesday, February 13, all Jews considered capable of physical labor were ordered to report for deportation early on Friday, February 16.

    My database will correlate Allied firebombing of German and other European cities with the “deportation” of Jews who lived in them.

    (Klemperer’s statement also undermines a claim David Engel repeats at least 4 times in his lectures, Understanding the Holocaust. Engel — who has a tendency to the dramatic fueled by an inability to control his anger — declaims, “The Nazis had a plan to exterminate every single Jewish man, woman and child they could get their hands on.” If that was so, How is it that 198 “registered Jews” were alive in Dresden in Feb. 1945? But I digress.)

    I recently had what turned into a rancorous conversation with a friend who is Jewish. We’ve always been friendly, but this conversation he ended by nearly spitting out a condemnation of the French for deporting French Jews to Auschwitz.

    Reputable scholars agree that Allies, not Germans, bombed France. A University of Exeter website reports [if you can’t trust the British, who can you trust?]:

    https://humanities.exeter.ac.uk/history/research/centres/warstateandsociety/projects/bombing/france/

    The Bombing of France 1939 – 1945
    Bombing in World War 2 claimed between 50,000 and 60,000 French civilian lives. Almost all died at the hands of the Allies, not the Germans. The death toll, though no more than an eighth of that in Germany, was still numerically comparable to that of British civilian victims of German bombing and V-weapons, or to that of Jews deported from France and exterminated in the camps. The Channel port of Le Havre alone is estimated to have lost some 5,000 dead.1 Material destruction, too, left a lasting legacy on French towns. Of France ‘s 38,000 municipalities, 1,838 were officially declared war-damaged, or sinistrées, in 1946 – a designation requiring damage or destruction to at least 30 per cent of buildings. They included 20 out of France ‘s 27 largest cities.

    What I’d like to discern through the database is the timing of bombings relative to the deportation of Jews.
    Did Germans ‘rescue’ Jews from states before they might have been killed by Allied firebombing?
    Was the German war machine financed by payoffs from Allies who arranged for the removal of Jews from fields that Allies intended to destroy?

    nb. The phrase, “Jews deported from France and exterminated in the camps” — what’s the evidence that “Jews deported from France” were “exterminated in the camps?”
    That last phrase is like Ora pro nobis in the Holy Thursday Litany of the Martyrs.
    Or like Na na na na-na-na-Na, Hey Jude.

    Or like eating potato chips.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  829. Truth3 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Way to go Ron! All Nail and no Thumb! Would the Centurion swinging the mallet so long ago on Calvary had such aim… Jesus would have suffered less.

    Regarding FB… Human sub-morph! Laughing my ass off… Zio-Bozo that he is, it’s actually a compliment!

    Yes… very predictable behavior/patterns. They will never change.

    Maybe he needs a 2 shekel per post raise. Maybe his handlers will also give him a night off to go visit the brothel.

  830. Saggy says: • Website
    @Germanicus

    The crazy thing is, Churchill the drunkard actually was pro-Zionist as were the Germans, yet his jewish overlords effectively managed Churchill to support Bolshevism, due to his debts to them. Churchill was a total tool, utterly corrupt and stupid.

    David Irving describes how the Zionists came to own Churchill in the vid below- but as you can see from the article above Churchill had an amazing intellect, e.g.

    From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognisable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.

    In another vid (deleted from YT) of same speech Irving describes how Churchill acquired funds by forging artworks, and writing for US newspapers, the guy was incredible, unfortunately.


    Video Link

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Germanicus
  831. @turtle

    What did the Nazis do with the five million Russian POWs that became corpses…where are they now….

    Beats me. But they didn’t just fly away.
    No doubt their loved ones might like to know what happened to them.

    The families of the soldiers might want to know where their graves are, but the Communist Soviet government certainly doesn’t care at all.

    Maybe even visit their graves, if such could be found.

    The graves cannot be located? Even after liberating the POW camps, and while occupying the enemy territory with the ability to arrest and interrogate anyone and even with license to use torture to get information? Not one German would betray the location of the grave sites?

    Here’s how America tries to find the remains of missing soldiers:

    [MORE]

    A Fallen Vietnam Veteran Has Returned Home. The Water He Drank Helped Identify His Remains

    June 10, 2019

    Raul Guerra was adopted, so his DNA couldn’t be matched to blood relatives. Scientists instead turned to an emerging technique that linked his bones to the drinking water in the places he grew up.

    It took the U.S. government nearly 40 years to recover the wreckage of the E-1B Tracer aircraft. It was discovered by a farmer who came across the crash site and decided to see if there was any scrap metal to salvage.

    The Pentagon team responsible for identifying, recovering, and reuniting fallen service members with their families is known as the Defense POW/MIA Accounting Agency, or DPAA. The department employs archeologists, anthropologists and other forensic scientists for the highly specialized work of identifying “residual remains,” the cold cases of military casualties.

    The remains from Guerra’s 1967 crash were sent back to the DPAA’s lab at Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam, Hawaii.

    Four other passengers on the plane were quickly identified using DNA testing. But Raul Guerra’s journey home would not be so straightforward. Unbeknownst to Guerra’s friends, he was adopted and brought to the U.S. from Mexico.

    In Guerra’s situation, it was an emerging technique called “stable isotope analysis.” The approach uses samples from different parts of a skeleton to tell scientists where the person grew up and where they lived during their lifetime.

    DPAA investigators looked at the presence of oxygen isotopes in the bone fragments, which come from drinking water. Ratios of oxygen isotopes vary across the globe.

    Comparing the isotope ratios in a skeleton to maps of oxygen ratios in different parts of the world lets scientists track a person’s movements.

    “We found data from water supplies in Mexico and Southern California, and we were able to use that technique to show that the remains from the site were a good match to the geographic life history of Raul Guerra,” Byrd said.

  832. FB says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Thanks Linda…I had not heard of this series…but will certainly view it with interest…I have already saved this clip…

    Like I pointed out previously, I had the chance to travel widely in eastern Europe in the 1980s…at the time a lot of folks still remembered the war years…and the subhuman butchery of the Nazi scum…I came across many villages where the entire population was just rounded up and shot…perhaps in retaliation for partisan activity in the area or whatever…these were Christian folks, not Jews…

    It certainly made real for me all the Holocaust survivors I knew [or knew of] in my childhood neighborhood. Both Jews and Slavs were murdered in the millions by the Nazi scum…these losers on the internet simply live in a pretend world that is shaped by various guru-like nutbars who are driven by simple hate…

  833. @Saggy

    David Irving describes how the Zionists came to own Churchill in the vid below- but as you can see from the article above Churchill had an amazing intellect, e.g.

    I think there is a problem with actually clear cut language.
    You use “Zionists”, Churchill’s jewish handlers were obviously not Zionist, but in favor of Bolshevism. The earlier Britsh leadership clearly favored Zionism, hence Balfour declaration in 1917, the same year jewish Bolsheviks took over Russia, funded and trained by the US.

    You see the same old conflict actually in the US currently. The democrats play for team Bolshevism, the Republicans play for team Zionism.

    The jewish tool UN play for team Bolshevism, hence Israel hate the UN and call it “anti-semitic”, yet Israel manages to ignore countless UN resolutions, every other country would be “liberated”, democratized by bombing and invading it.

    The funny thing is, German and Zionist interests converge once again, but for different reasons when it comes to the UN. The German occupation regime play for team Bolshevism.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  834. Erebus says:
    @Corvinus

    Actually, I offer insight, something that you willfully refuse to acknowledge.

    I’ll grant that you do offer insights, at least obliquely into myth-driven narratives.

    I part ways, however, when you claim that I haven’t acknowledged them. I acknowledge them, perhaps equally obliquely, for what they are.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  835. geokat62 says:

    WaPo headline:

    John Tanton has died. He made America less open to immigrants — and more open to Trump.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com

  836. Corvinus says:
    @renfro

    “That was directed to those who seek to prove it didn’t…”

    Again, the Holocaust is “fake”. It happened.

    “Probably more than you are…..and I am not a nationalist. I am a patriot….there is a difference.”

    OK, patriot, it’s time to put up or shut up. What are you doing specifically to stop this dreaded “Israeli Fifth Column”, assuming that it exists in the manner you say it exists?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Robjil
  837. renfro says:
    @Anon

    I would hold that evil is genocidal Jewish communism, which the Germans were trying to stop.

    It was common knowledge that communism in the US and USSR was predominately Jewish.
    Everyone knew this and back then Jews didn’t even hide it.

    Memorandum of Conference Held at the White House, by Mr. Samuel H. Cross, Interpreter 23
    [Extracts]
    I. Friday, May 29, 1942, 4:30 p.m

    Mr. Hopkins remarked that, while the American Communist Party had played ball one-hundred percent since December 7, the fact was that its composition of largely disgruntled, frustrated, ineffectual, and vociferous people—including a high proportion of distinctly unsympathetic Jews—misled the average American as to the aspect and character of the Communists in the Soviet Union itself. On this the President commented that he was far from anti-Semitic, as everyone knew, but there was a good deal in this point of view. Mr. Molotov admitted affably that there were Communists and Communists, and readily recognized the distinction between “Jews” and “Kikes” (for the latter the Russians have a word of similar connotation: Zhidy) as something that created inevitable difficulties.
    .

  838. Corvinus says:
    @Robjil

    “Jewish Holocaust,as imagined by our rulers, is of the past and it is a dogma.”

    There was nothing imaginary about the Holocaust. It was a historical event, not dogma. You really need to use the proper terms here.

    “It can’t be examined, talked about rationally, or investigated otherwise one gets jail time or become jobless.”

    Actually, it has been examined, discussed rationally, and investigated thoroughly by both sides.

    “The Holocaust of the present can be stopped”.

    Assuming that there is this “Holocaust of the present” that is the under the exclusive domain of Jews. Regardless, it would appear you are simply talking about stopping it rather than actually doing something substantial to stop it. That’s great you are making people aware of something that you think is happening, but if it is this dire threat that you claim, then you have a duty to stop it. Otherwise, you are simply blowing off steam and indicating to everyone you are impotent.

    If you still do not think this new Holocaust is not a Jewish Zion 500 BC thing. Then why the constant connections to Jewish holidays or Jewish themes for these wars.

    • Replies: @Theodore
  839. annamaria says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You have left unanswered the important question: “Why Jewish Zionists in Israel are giving cash & arms to neo-Nazis in Ukraine?”
    Why? https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=0txqZUjAp3s

    Why the ADL and Simon Wiesenthal Center have been protecting Ukrainian neo-Nazis? https://portside.org/2014-11-20/how-israel-lobby-protected-ukrainian-neo-nazis

    You need to sort out the things within your tribe first before complaining about critics of holohoax business. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/holocaust-compensation-and-restitution-by-country

    Any upcoming reparations for the victims of Bolshevik terror?

    Churchill named names: Maxim Litvinoff, Trotsky, Grigory Zinoviev, Radek, Leonid Krassin. He called this tendency “astonishing” and accused Jews of playing “the prominent, if not indeed the principal part in the system of terrorism” that had then become known as “red terror” or the suppression of those in the Soviet Union who deviated from the communist line.

    One of those whom Churchill singled out for opprobrium was Bela Kun, the Hungarian Jew who briefly played the leading role in Hungary. … fleeing to the Soviet Union where he was put in charge of the Revolutionary Committee in Crimea along with Rosalia Zemlyachka. Their regime there was responsible for murdering around 60,000 people.

    “Jewish-Run Concentration Camps in the Soviet Union:”

    Communist Jews were the commandants of 11 out of the 12 main Stalinist-era Gulags, or concentration camps, including the camp system directors Matvei Berman and Hershel Jehuda [and the despicable Naftali Frenkel].

    How about Nakba and the victims of the ongoing Wars for Eretz Israel in the Middle East?

  840. Corvinus says:
    @Erebus

    “…at least obliquely into myth-driven narratives.”

    That would be a false characterization on your part.

    “I acknowledge them, perhaps equally obliquely, for what they are.”

    No, you really don’t. You are being disingenuous here.

  841. @Theodore

    Because antisemitism was widespread there, they found little support among the surrounding population.

    Because antisemitism LOL. Communist partisans fighting to bring a return of rule by the Soviet Union find little support.

  842. @Wally

    re: #302 addressed by Wally to Linda asking me to reply in #789

    Dodge what? I never did write that I personally knew Holocaust survivors, and by that I mean those who were actually Jewish and former inmates of extermination camps. I did meet one a long time ago who came up to me on the street outside a pub one day and flashed a row of numbers tattooed across the inside of his wrist and told me he was from Auschwitz but I didn’t wish to converse with him or have any further dealing with the bloke because of circumstances not relevant to this discourse. I did however know POWs who were in German camps during WWII and their stories varied depending on the circumstances. Some had extremely bad experiences in camps where inmates were used as slave labour to do arduous backbreaking tasks under terrible conditions , where there were extremely high mortality rates. Others had quite cushy jobs, like some who were on release from camps to help out on German farms and households while the men were on the front, and these were well fed and well treated by the mostly female German citizens they were around with. Some POWs were even sent back home to occupied territories during the war because of ill health, and not to work for German occupying forces as traitors, but actually to just stay in their homes and on their farms, completely free, or as free as their compatriots during occupation. So although the experiences vary, you cannot draw any conclusions from such anecdotal evidence about the statistics, dynamics, etc of mass murder committed by the Germans. I also know, and have known some now deceased, non- Jews who were witnesses of many German war crimes during WWII. Some as children even watched Germans massacre civilians, including their own parents and relatives, in mass executions. I have also known an SS officer medical doctor who remained a proud and unabashed Nazi – when I was very young and knew little of life – in a country that didn’t look unfavourably on Nazi refugees, and he wasn’t Dr. Mengele in Brazil or Argentina. And he was a good friend of a colleague who fought on the opposite side during the war. I have also known some Germans who lived for generations in Eastern Europe and were driven out after WWII with all their properties confiscated, and was aware of their trials and tribulations as refugees.

    Regarding erroneous photo captions so what? It doesn’t prove that every other instance of photographic evidence is also wrong. It would be like saying because Soviets blamed the Katyin massacre on the Germans and covered it up for so long, that every other massacre attributed to the Nazis was also actually done by the Russians. Or because someone in Eastern Europe under Nazi occupation had better experiences than under subsequent Soviet occupation, and didn’t witness any of the mass murders by the Nazis but maybe witnessed some mistreatment by the Soviets, that everyone else there had the same experiences and that the Nazis did no wrong and that the mass murders were all made up. Where’s the logic in that?

    • Replies: @Theodore
    , @Wizard of Oz
  843. annamaria says:
    @Fran Taubman

    E=MC2
    You are funny. Ever heard about Lorentz transformation? — Obviously not.

    The Lorentz transformation is in accordance with special relativity, but was derived before Einstein developed special relativity.

    Even the heavily zionized wikipedia could not remove this shiny truth.

  844. annamaria says:
    @FB

    “Hey RETARDO…. ”

    — Oh, how easy it is to spot the Jewish upbringing.

  845. anon[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Corvinus says: [Quote] Again, the Holocaust is “fake”. [end Quote]

    Corvinus taps his inner Freud.

  846. geokat62 says:

    Excerpt from Shouting ‘Never Again,’ 1,000 Jewish Activists Shut Down Central Boston To Protest Immigration Detention:

    For many of the protesters, the phrase “Never Again” has become a rallying cry for the movement to end inhumane detention policies at the border.

    https://forward.com/fast-forward/427957/jeffrey-epstein-finances-philanthropy-jewish-uja-federation/

    Inhumane policies at the border? Now, haven’t we heard that somewhere else, before?

  847. annamaria says:
    @Corvinus

    “Focus on the topic, which is the Holocaust.”
    — You mean, the Jewish State’s arming of neo-Nazi has nothing to do with holohoax biz?

    Listen again, Corvinus, to the news from the promised land of Israel, which bases its foundations on the supposed moral superiority: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=0txqZUjAp3s

    It is obvious that the Jewish State does not believe in Holohoax. Why should others do?

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  848. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Theodore

    You are joking right. I post stuff and you say no way and give me CODOH, like that is the real deal. C’mmon that stuff has been debunked en mass. I love the videos of the soccer fields with the kids posted by the goal post.
    What makes you think that stuff is true. I will take those Lanzman interview any day.
    Good luck trying to get anyone to believe the CODOH website. That is the one Wally always post.
    Or the videos with the nursery and the wall paper and all the babies in bassinets.
    I love when deniers laugh at survivors videos and show those videos on CODOH with a straight face.
    They never questioned Suchomel, they said Lanzman manipulated the interview, like it was not happen.
    Look you can claim anything is a fake. 9 hours of interviews all over Europe is a lot of faking.

    • Replies: @Theodore
  849. annamaria says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “Soviet imprisonment was for political offences and largely of men.”
    — Not true. Learn first about the populations of the camps. And don’t forget to check the names (mostly Jewish) of those who run the camps.

  850. renfro says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Agree and also agree with ….”Fall of the American-Israeli Empire which no doubt is going to be UGLY. Boom-boom.”

  851. Rurik says:
    @Alden

    Thanks Alden,

    Wasn’t Ehrenburg the liar who made up the Babi Yar lying tale about a massacre that never happened.

    I don’t know, but I wouldn’t doubt it.

    https://rense.com/general75/ehr.htm

    he even traveled with the notorious bars of fake soap!

    Reading what he wrote about Germans, and how ‘they’re all evil and should all be raped and murdered’, just imagine if a German wrote the same things about Jews.

    It’d be on plastered on pages of every history book and we’d be reminded of it in movies and TV shows ad nauseam.

    But Jewish supremacists speak this way about Palestinians and Germans, and no one raises an eyebrow.

  852. @Germanicus

    Serge Voronoff was funded by Rockefeller and Standard Oil, they outsourced the human experiments to the Soviets they could not officially do in the US.

    Oh, c’mon, G! Don’t you know that they wouldn’t do anything like that and the Soviets were the results of the revolution of the proletariat? Wink, wink! 😉

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  853. @annamaria

    You mean, the Jewish State’s arming of neo-Nazi has nothing to do with holohoax biz?

    I like your posts, but I really do dislike how you use the weaponized word “neo-nazi”.
    I always have these red and green hypocrites in the ear when reading it, who peddle it 24/7 in occupied Germany.
    These people are a mix of Ukrainian nationalists, many dislike Jews very much for Soviet historic reasons, and Kolomoysky drafted IDF mercenaries, who stick a swastika on their uniform so the jewish press has something to whine about when they pose for their photographs.

    Point is, “nazi” is a weaponized word just like “racist”, “homophobe”, “xenophobe”, “white nationalist” etc… it serves no good to use it, and I think it is a bit inconsequential that you use it in your otherwise good comments. We need to get past this weaponization of language, which is a communist invention originating in the Soviet Union.

    • Agree: Zumbuddi
    • Replies: @FB
    , @annamaria
  854. Robjil says:
    @Corvinus

    Which H are you saying happened?

    Are you talking about the present one – Seven Nations to destroy Holocaust in the Middle East? A Holocaust is burning fire attacks on civilians.

    The US and Britian did a lot of Holocausts on French, German and Japanese civilians in WWII. Are you talking about those?

    Maybe, the Holocaust of Iraqi surrendering soldiers on Purim day in 1991. 175,000 supposedly were burned alive on the Highway of death. The 75000 thousand in that estimate is related to massacre of 75000 thousand Persians killed by Jews in the first Purim in Persia in 4th century BC.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  855. @Fran Taubman

    Fuck you …

    Now that’s what I’d call a well reasoned, intelligent and convincing argument. Please proceed…

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Fran Taubman
  856. @Saggy

    Churchill had an amazing intellect

    I disagree on this one though.

    Churchill gambled his empire away, just as these “superior intellect” Jews in the US do with the US empire.

    Even worse, the Brits soon realized, they backed the wrong guys, the Soviets, which led to the “cold war”, partition of Germany and no peace regulation to this day. The soviets busily installed Jews all over Eastern Europe in their communist satellites, just as the US install their puppets in places they invade.

    He only stated the obvious, which was almost common knowledge at this point in time.
    Newspapers wrote about the issue, people talked about it.

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  857. @Corvinus

    … wordsmith who employs reason to challenge one’s assumptions and conformation biases.

    Wordsmith? Really?

    Sorry to employ reason to challenge your assumptions and confirmation bias, but you impress me as an amateur joker.

    • Agree: geokat62, ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  858. Theodore says:
    @Corvinus

    There was nothing imaginary about the Holocaust. It was a historical event, not dogma. You really need to use the proper terms here.

    Part of the issue here is that well over 90% of what you consider “The Holocaust” is not denied by “Deniers”
    – The concentration camps were obviously real
    – The ghettoes were obviously real
    – Hatred of Jews by Nazis was obviously real
    – Persecution of Jews was obviously real
    – Deportation of Jews was obviously real
    – Piles of corpses at the concentration camps were obviously real
    – The Final Solution was obviously a real policy
    – The crematoria at the camps were obviously real
    – Countless Jews suffered
    – Many Jews died

    However, there was no Nazi plan to exterminate all Jews. Additionally, the “6 million” number is total nonsense. And finally, the primary murder weapon, homicidal gas chambers, were not used at the camps.
    There is no documentation to support any of these claims. Every document mentioning the “Final Solution” defines it as resettlement/deportation. And after a while, Hitler wanted it postponed until after the war was over (documents confirm this) which is why Jews were forced into camps and ghettos, it was a way to keep them in a specific location until after the war is over.

    If it was not a dogmatic belief system, why are people imprisoned for daring to question it?

    Actually, it has been examined, discussed rationally, and investigated thoroughly by both sides.

    And yet one side has been persecuted and thrown in prison cells for publishing work on the subject, work that is not “hate” and does not promote “racism” or “antisemitism”.
    Further, this group is totally prevented from excavating the alleged ‘extermination camps’ — in other words, it has not been “thoroughly” investigated. These ‘death camps’ are a crime scene, but yet the bodies (millions of pounds worth) are claimed to be in exactly known locations (down to the meter) but we are prevented from confirming this as fact. Not very “thorough”

  859. Saggy says: • Website
    @Germanicus

    Churchill’s jewish handlers were obviously not Zionist,

    I’m used to saying Zionist to avoid the J word, but this is Unz so I guess we can say it. Anyhow, Irving reports that Jews came to Churchill’s financial rescue in a group known as The Focus. Jews are obviously Zionists, so …. ?

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  860. @Jacques Sheete

    Oh, c’mon, G! Don’t you know that they wouldn’t do anything like that and the Soviets were the results of the revolution of the proletariat? Wink, wink! 😉

    Yeah, they created the peasant and worker paradise(official terminology back then), which they walled in with death strips, towers, minefields and automated shooting devices, so no one could leave the paradise. I mean, why would you leave this paradise, everything was tikkun olam’ed right?

  861. Theodore says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You are joking right

    Are you? You’re only using fallacious arguments.

    I post stuff and you say no way and give me CODOH, like that is the real deal.

    Please explain exactly what was posted in the links I provided that is incorrect. Be specific

    C’mmon that stuff has been debunked en mass

    Show me exactly where the links I posted were debunked.

    What makes you think that stuff is true.

    What specific testimony do you think is true, and why do you think it is true? Remember the Auschwitz survivor Jewish historian who claimed most (over half) of Jewish ‘Holocaust’ testimony is “Unreliable”?

    Good luck trying to get anyone to believe the CODOH website

    It is a website anyone can create an account and post on. Please explain how the links I posted were debunked. Please stop the fallacious ad hominem attacks.

    They never questioned Suchomel, they said Lanzman manipulated the interview, like it was not happen.

    What are you talking about? Suchomel was questioned, he was interviewed. And his ridiculous claims were debunked. You have no response besides “I refuse to address anything posted on CODOH” which is, of course, a fallacious non-argument.

    Look you can claim anything is a fake. 9 hours of interviews all over Europe is a lot of faking.

    The interviews are real, but people quite often say things that are not true. Sometimes deliberately, sometimes on accident.

    What you can’t fake is physical evidence. You seriously believe millions of pounds of burnt remains and 10s of millions of teeth are buried in exactly known locations at a so-called “death camp” down to the exact meter. But you can not even 1% of the alleged remains truly exist. There is no such thing as an undetectable mass grave

  862. Theodore says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Regarding erroneous photo captions so what? It doesn’t prove that every other instance of photographic evidence is also wrong. It would be like saying because Soviets blamed the Katyin massacre on the Germans and covered it up for so long, that every other massacre attributed to the Nazis was also actually done by the Russians. Or because someone in Eastern Europe under Nazi occupation had better experiences than under subsequent Soviet occupation, and didn’t witness any of the mass murders by the Nazis but maybe witnessed some mistreatment by the Soviets, that everyone else there had the same experiences and that the Nazis did no wrong and that the mass murders were all made up. Where’s the logic in that?

    There is no photographic evidence that disproves the claims of “Holocaust deniers” which means there is no actual photographic evidence of the “Holocaust”

    The photos of piles of bodies are real, but they do not disprove anything the “Holocaust deniers” claim, and, therefore, they do not prove the “Holocaust” story as alleged. They are not incompatible with it, but they are not incompatible with “Holocaust denial” either.

    Please, post a photo that proves “Holocaust deniers” wrong

    (Note: so-called “Holocaust deniers” claim hundreds of thousands of people, rather than millions, perished in the camps)

    • Replies: @Saggy
    , @renfro
  863. Robjil says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    Vicky Nuland said the same about the EU.

    She ended her little talk about planning the ZUS coup in Ukraine with that saying. Only a Jewish Zion supremacist could say that and get away with it.

    https://genius.com/Victoria-nuland-on-a-planned-coup-detat-in-ukraine-annotated

    Nuland: OK. He’s now gotten both Serry and Ban Ki-moon to agree that Serry could come in Monday or Tuesday. So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and to have the UN help glue it and, you know, fuck the EU.

    Her husband is one of the co-founders of PNAC. The main theme of PNAC is a Holocaust, a Fuck you, on any nation that says NO to Zion 500 BC USA. Vicky branched out in the Ukraine for her husband’s plan.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/not-so-secret-ukraine-phone-call/

    Let it first be noted that it shouldn’t be surprising that Nuland would come off as a would-be imperialist or game player. If anything, she’s long been the neoconservative inside the Obama administration. For starters, for years she served as chief foreign policy adviser to Vice President Dick Cheney and then as the George W. Bush administration’s ambassador to NATO. She’s married to another prominent neocon, Robert Kagan, one of the co-founders of the Project for a New American Century, the outfit that did more than any other to promote the invasion of Iraq starting in the late 1990s. For two years, Nuland served as the official spokesperson for the US State Department. Why President Obama let Nuland into his administration is anyone’s guess, but there she is.

  864. FB says: • Website
    @Germanicus

    Point is, “nazi” is a weaponized word just like “racist”, “homophobe”…

    Aw boo hoo…the poor Nazis now want to have ‘victim group’ status like the homos…

    That is super funny dude…I always knew you people were mentally ill…like the homos…now you are coming right out and admitting it by linking arms with them…also explains why the homos have a thing for Nazi paraphernalia…the cross-pollination runs deep…

    Nazi = Homo…Homo = Nazi…

    Aww…isn’t that SPECIAL…?…as the ‘church lady’ would say…

    LOLOLOL

    • Troll: Theodore
    • Replies: @Germanicus
  865. @Saggy

    Jews are obviously Zionists, so …. ?

    Jews are obviously Jews, in rebellion to god, no matter if they tend towards Bolshevism/Marxism or Zionism. They have constantly spawned very destructive Jewish movements.
    The common denominator is Jews as a group, as it is stated in the Bible(Iudaoi).

    I know perhaps someone is a Jew, but I don’t know if he is a Zionist. To be clear, I have no problem with Jews having their own land, but what they do in Palestine is criminal and disgusting.

    You find roman writers, who already stated, that the Jews compete and deceive not only non Jews, but they do it among themselves in the same disgusting, repulsive manner.

  866. @FB

    Actually, all your insults just tell me, you are a totally scared, insecure and mentally unstable little Jewzi, who hates the truth is being told, who is an useful idiot of the big Jewzis they would sacrifice at a whim.

    • Agree: Truth3
    • Replies: @FB
  867. renfro says:

    ALERT…. This bill if it ever passes will criminalize ‘questioning the holocaust’ and ‘criticizing Israel”.
    And you thought it couldn’t happen to America? The Jews are working 24/7 to shut down all freedoms in the US.

    S.852 – Anti-Semitism Awareness Act of 2019

    To provide for the consideration of a definition of anti-Semitism for the enforcement of Federal antidiscrimination laws concerning education programs or activities.
    IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
    March 14, 2019
    Mr. Scott of South Carolina (for himself, Mr. Casey, Mr. Rubio, and Mr. Isakson) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions
    A BILL
    To provide foranti-Semitism for the enforcement of Federal antidiscrimination laws concerning education programs or activities
    the consideration of a definition of For purposes of this Act, the term “definition of anti-Semitism”—

    (1) includes the definition of anti-Semitism adopted on May 26, 2016, by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (referred to in this section as “IHRA”), of which the United States is a member, which definition has been adopted by the Department of State; and

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/852/text?r=1&s=4

    [MORE]

    Here is the definition. Read it….the US would be enacting law like those of Germany that can imprison you for denying the holocaust or even questioning the 6 million number or gas chambers or any claim the Jews make about the holocaust.

    https://holocaustremembrance.com/working-definition-holocaust-denial-and-distortion

    Working Definition of Holocaust Denial and Distortion
    The present definition is an expression of the awareness that Holocaust denial and distortion have to be challenged and denounced nationally and internationally and need examination at a global level. IHRA hereby adopts the following legally non-binding working definition as its working tool.
    Holocaust denial is discourse and propaganda that deny the historical reality and the extent of the extermination of the Jews by the Nazis and their accomplices during World War II, known as the Holocaust or the Shoah.

    Holocaust denial refers specifically to any attempt to claim that the Holocaust/Shoah did not take place.
    Holocaust denial may include publicly denying or calling into doubt the use of principal mechanisms of destruction (such as gas chambers, mass shooting, starvation and torture) or the intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people.
    Holocaust denial in its various forms is an expression of antisemitism. The attempt to deny the genocide of the Jews is an effort to exonerate National Socialism and antisemitism from guilt or responsibility in the genocide of the Jewish people. Forms of Holocaust denial also include blaming the Jews for either exaggerating or creating the Shoah for political or financial gain as if the Shoah itself was the result of a conspiracy plotted by the Jews. In this, the goal is to make the Jews culpable and antisemitism once again legitimate.
    The goals of Holocaust denial often are the rehabilitation of an explicit antisemitism and the promotion of political ideologies and conditions suitable for the advent of the very type of event it denies.
    Distortion of the Holocaust refers, inter alia, to:
    Intentional efforts to excuse or minimize the impact of the Holocaust or its principal elements, including collaborators and allies of Nazi Germany;
    Gross minimization of the number of the victims of the Holocaust in contradiction to reliable sources;
    Attempts to blame the Jews for causing their own genocide;
    Statements that cast the Holocaust as a positive historical event. Those statements are not Holocaust denial but are closely connected to it as a radical form of antisemitism. They may suggest that the Holocaust did not go far enough in accomplishing its goal of “the Final Solution of the Jewish Question”;
    Attempts to blur the responsibility for the establishment of concentration and death camps devised and operated by Nazi Germany by putting blame on other nations or ethnic groups.

  868. Saggy says: • Website
    @Theodore

    They are not incompatible with it,

    A photo without provenance is meaningless. When the provenance of the photos of the piles of bodies are known, the photos become incompatible with the holohoax.

    As a good example, there was an Oprah/Elie Wiesel Auschwitz special that featured film footage of holohoax victims shown in the first minute ….

    All of the footage shown comes from this film shown at Nuremberg,



    Video Link
    as is pointed out, scene by scene, with times given, in this vid …



    Video Link
    Thus all the photos were taken after the war had ended and show prisoners who had died from a British bombing attack and Nordhausen, and a typhus epidemic at Belsen and other camps.

    If the Nazis had been killing the Jews throughout the war, there wouldn’t have been tens of thousands left at the end of the war to die from allied bombing and tyhpus (30,000 died in the last weeks at Belsen, 10,000 after the camp was liberated, maybe 1/3 Jews)

    BTW, have a look at the Yad Vashem Auschwitz Album,
    https://www.yadvashem.org/yv/en/exhibitions/album_auschwitz/index.asp

    The Auschwitz Album is the only surviving visual evidence of the process leading to the mass murder at Auschwitz-Birkenau. It is a unique document and was donated to Yad Vashem by Lilly Jacob-Zelmanovic Meier.

    The photos were taken at the end of May or beginning of June 1944, either by Ernst Hofmann or by Bernhard Walter, two SS men whose task was to take ID photos and fingerprints of the inmates

  869. renfro says:
    @Theodore

    Agree

    See my comment 886 for update on politician’s actions to shut down and criminalize any denial or questioning of anything related to the jews version of the holocaust

  870. anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    The fact of the matter is that the Holocaust happened.

    Could you please explain what you mean by “the Holocaust” and could you also please describe how it “happened”?

    Thanks.

  871. jasmin says:

    Many people suffered during WW II. The so-called Holocaust trivializes the suffering of others. This goes along with Jewish teaching that God created non-Jews only to serve the Jews. In other words, God’s entire purpose in the creatinn was to create Jews.

    History is always distorted. School textbooks are created to be sold for profit. Truth is only a secondary consideration–if it is a consideration at all.

    The late nineteenth century and the twentieth century, beginning with the Boer War was a period dominated by British Imperialism wed with Jewish Finance. Germany was outpacing Britain in both industrial production and scientific advances as well as military capacity. This was a primary cause of WWI, while WWII was just an extension of the First World War. America was drawn into these wars by pressure from the Jews( so what’s new?). We must also remember that world Jewry declared war on Germany in the form of a boycott, long before America and was involved in the war.

    Of course we must never be told that The Balfor DEcaration was also a motive in the U.S. entry into WW I. Nor are we told that the Communists in Germany were mainly Jewish and they were at war with the Fascists and that if it wasn’t for Hitler Europe in its entirety would have fallen behind the Iron Curtain.

    From the American point of view the involvement of the United States was a tremendous waste of American blood and Treasure, brought upon us by the influence of powerful Jewish lobbying.

    The entire Jewish narrative is contradictory. If so many Jews were murdered how is it that every Jew you see is a Holocaust survivor? Then of course, the Jews have continued lawsuits against Swiss Banks for stealing their gold? Why is it that so much gold was sent out of Germany, a country that was in a state of extreme financial collapse?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  872. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    He was flippin damned right! (referring to Hitler on the Jews)Who among us cannot relate to the things he pointed out? This is probably the best post I’ve ever read anywhere, and thanks for reminding us of all that; I think it’s time I reread MK.

    How is your second reading of MK going, do you need to cross reference it with anything. Need to research a little. Maybe read it a 3rd time.
    Do you tell people: “Oh can’t go bowling or out to dinner with you tonight brushing up on my MK”.
    What do they say?
    It’s such an intellectual read for future events no?

  873. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @jasmin

    There are no more survivors left they are all dead. Do you know how many Jews were in Europe before WW2? Do you know how many Jews were left after WW2.
    Well it is in the millions. So your point? It is not an endless meaningless list.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  874. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Theodore

    There is no such thing as millions of people vanishing in thin air in front of their relatives?
    Where did they go? How come they never found their family members after the war.
    If you lost all of your family one evening and never found them again, you would assume after years that they were dead after missing persons reports turned up nothing. and someone said to you well where are the remains? and you said I do not know. And they said well they are not dead go find them.
    You see you are looking for missing bodies despite the common sense approach where are the missing people? They did not go off by themselves they landed in camps as a village with entire multi generational families in tact. Very few came out, and when they did they knew who was missing.
    You have to put yourself on that train with your family to understand.
    It is very obvious. After a forest fire what remains are there?
    Some of the videos on the CODOH are like a bugs bunny cartoon of people having a campfire sing along in the concentration camp.
    I did not see any refuting of what Suchomel actually said, only that it was an erroneous interview. What specifically was debunked that he said. Can you point out an actual comment that was debunked.

    You are correct some peoples testimony might be false. But Lanzman uses 9 hours of interviews from all over Europe, he was a survivor himself. If you in look at the entire documentary you do not walk off thinking that this is made up, you could not possibly have all lies, or all truths but down the middle the whole story is told from people who were just passing by, most of the interview are not with survivors. It does not get more real, when the women says she saw the Rabbi telling the Jews that they must get all their things together and relocate because of the sins they have done. This on their way to Chelmno where there were gassing vans.

    • Replies: @Theodore
    , @annamaria
  875. annamaria says:
    @Germanicus

    I agree with you. Using the word “neo-Nazi” against Jewish propaganda is a sad necessity that works to silence the big zionists mouths.

    What would be your suggestion? How else the collaboration between the Kagans’ clan and Pravyi sector can be characterized apart from calling it the collaboration of zionists with the self-proclaimed neo-Nazis?

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Germanicus
  876. FB says: • Website
    @Germanicus

    …you are a totally scared, insecure and mentally unstable little Jewzi…

    That just proves how incapable you are of reaching correct conclusions…in your state of mental agony, anyone who acknowledges the mental illness of the Nazi scum MUST BE A JEW…LOL

    Everyone here knows I have nothing to do with Judaism…I was born into a generations old protestant family that had no Jewish connections in its history whatsoever…

    My own position on Israel is extremely harsh…as you can see for yourself by my comments to Zionist pigs on the Kushner thread…

    You see…you haters have no conception of the ‘moral compass’…normal people like myself defend the helpless and innocent…whether it is a Palestinian child being shot by an Israeli Nazi…or whether it is a Jewish child being shot by a German Nazi…

    It’s called standing up for justice…which is blind remember…we do not see or care what ethnic or religious labels may be involved…we only care about who is the aggressor and who is the victim…

    But that’s way beyond any station in life’s moral universe that you are likely to ever reach…you are just a simpleton filled with hate…who doesn’t have the character or integrity to resist base impulses…or any kind of capacity for introspection to check if you are headed in the right direction…you simply choose to spew hate because it’s easy and it makes you feel good…

    Every second of your life is an insult to the TRUTH…because you have chosen to disrespect truth and trample it beneath your dirty feet…

  877. @Commentator Mike

    That’s far too complicated and nuanced for denialists to handle.

  878. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Theodore

    The first time that I saw Suchomel’s interview I was struck by this, thus I replayed the same scenes perhaps two dozen times, each time with a bag near me. Each time I tried to imagine how I should handle the bag without raising Suchomel’s suspicion and how the man in front of me could be blind enough not to discover that something very odd was happening. After 20 or 25 times perhaps I gave up.

    Claude Lanzmann seems to be dishonest. Either regarding his claim that the interview was taped with a camera hidden in the bag of his assistant and without the knowledge of the interviewed man, or regarding his claim that the interviewed man was Suchomel-or regarding both claims.

    Other than criticism of Lanzman and the veracity of the tape, nothing that Suchomel said directly is criticized.

    Have you seen these 4 photos from a Sonderkomando. One showing the bodies, one showing the women nude going to the gas chambers? Looks pretty real.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderkommando_photographs

    • Replies: @Theodore
    , @annamaria
  879. Theodore says:
    @Fran Taubman

    There is no such thing as millions of people vanishing in thin air in front of their relatives?

    Correct. People can not vanish in thin air.
    Certainly, people can be murdered. When a person is murdered, there is a body. And then, that body can be cremated. Still, there are “ashes” (much different from normal wood ash, really just burnt bones actually) and when it comes to millions of people, that’s millions upon millions of pounds of burnt remains or “ashes”

    Where did they go?

    They either died or they did not die. I am not claiming to know where they are: YOU ARE. You are claiming that hundreds of thousands of jews were gassed at Treblinka and buried in EXACTLY KNOWN LOCATIONS. You are claiming, they are in an exact spot we know down to the meter. Yet, you can not even prove that remains of 1% of the alleged ‘870,000’ Jews is buried there, in the spot allegedly exactly known down to the meter.

    How come they never found their family members after the war.

    Who is “they” ? Be more specific. So-called “Holocaust deniers” claim hundreds of thousands died in the camps. Nobody is claiming that nobody died during World War II. You’re not making any sense at all.

    If you lost all of your family one evening and never found them again, you would assume after years that they were dead after missing persons reports turned up nothing. and someone said to you well where are the remains? and you said I do not know. And they said well they are not dead go find them.

    I am not saying people who are dead are not dead. I am saying they were not murdered in homicidal gas chambers. There’s literally infinite ways for a person to die that do not include gas chambers.
    There is a difference between a person dying, and a person being killed

    Some of the videos on the CODOH are like a bugs bunny cartoon of people having a campfire sing along in the concentration camp.

    Take your meds, you’re hallucinating now

    I did not see any refuting of what Suchomel actually said, only that it was an erroneous interview. What specifically was debunked that he said. Can you point out an actual comment that was debunked.

    Here:
    Franz Suchomel’s ‘confession’ demolished by Jean-Francois Beaulieu
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=9836

    P. Winter Debunks Suchomel’s Fake “Confession” & C. Lanzmann
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=9072

    An example of a ridiculous claim by Suchomel:
    “Suchomel: […] Until they reached the end, they saw nothing. Then they’d see the dead in the pit. They were forced to strip, to sit on a sandbank, and were killed with a shot in the neck. They fell into the pit. There was always a fire in the pit. With rubbish, paper and gasoline, people burn very well.”

    Actually humans do not ‘burn very well’ with just those things. It’s absurd. The total lack of physical evidence, which would necessarily be there in enormous quantity (millions of pounds) is proof positive that he is lying.

    You are correct some peoples testimony might be false.

    There is no doubt about it. You actually are forced to agree that some is false, simply because there is conflicting testimony in which both can not be true at the same time. Additionally, some testimony defies the laws of physics, or is merely absurd to a cartoonish level. This also must be false.

    But Lanzman uses 9 hours of interviews from all over Europe, he was a survivor himself.

    That doesn’t mean that what was said is inherently credible. Was any of it cross examined?

    He also paid Suchomel money:
    “Lanzmann interviewed Franz Suchomel, who was with the SS at Treblinka, in secret in April 1976. This was the first interview Lanzmann filmed with the newly developed hidden camera known as the Paluche, and he paid Suchomel 500 DM.”
    https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1004727

    If you in look at the entire documentary you do not walk off thinking that this is made up, you could not possibly have all lies, or all truths but down the middle the whole story is told from people who were just passing by, most of the interview are not with survivors.

    Certainly it is a mixture of things that are true and things that are not. This would be expected, due to the nature of such testimony.
    Please read comment #605

    It does not get more real, when the women says she saw the Rabbi telling the Jews that they must get all their things together and relocate because of the sins they have done.

    But nobody denies that Jews were relocated.
    Please stop spreading the lie that “deniers” deny everything that happened to the Jews. Nobody denies that Jews were persecuted, deported, rounded up, sent to camps. NOBODY
    What we are saying is:
    – There was no Nazi policy to exterminate the Jews
    – 6,000,000 is an absurd exaggeration
    – Jews were not murdered in homicidal gas chambers

    When you say things like “How can you say that every eyewitness is lying?” you are attacking a strawman because nobody is saying that.
    Over 95% of testimony at Auschwitz by Jews makes no mention of homicidal gas chambers.
    The first “Holocaust deniers” were a Jew and French Communist who were persecuted by the Nazis, forced into concentration camps!

    This on their way to Chelmno where there were gassing vans.

    Chelmno is absolutely real, but the “gassing vans” are just atrocity propaganda nonsense. Every single “survivor” of Chelmno proves that these silly vans did not exist.

    Read:
    The Gas Vans—A Critical Investigation
    PDF: http://holocausthandbooks.com/dl/26-tgv.pdf
    TXT: https://archive.is/hc3iL

  880. @SolontoCroesus

    As you are on to the subject of the firebombing of German cities you may have some data on the contribution the 160,000 dead Allied airmen made to victory. I only heard recently a figure of 41 per cent of (not precisely defined) resources being devoted by the Germans to air defence and presumably rescue repair and rubble clearing. I don’t know whether that includes the vast quantitities of concrete and steel wasted at the “Wolf’s Lair”.

    I would be interested to know whether it can be plausibly argued, contra J.K.Galbraith as I remember reading him decades ago, that the bombing campaigns made rational sense.

    Whether or not they were war crimes then it is clear that they were not comparable with lining up civilians and shooting them. The British sent children and many non essential adults out of cities to the countryside (or, privately, to America). I don’t know how far the Germans took the protection of civilians, especially those not involved in war production, from the bombing raids. It was after all clear from way back that it was the era of total war in which civilians mightn’t be specifically targeted but in which they could expect to be casualties. The shelling of Scarborough by German cruisers in late 1914, the use of Zeppelins to bomb London and the destruction of Guernica would no doubt have been well to the front of mind of Arthur Harris defenders. Oh yes, I forgot the U boat campaign to starve Britain into surrender in both wars and Britain’s rather more successful blockade of Germany in WW1.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @turtle
  881. @Theodore

    Thank you for quite a lot of material I was unfamiliar with that should upset dome of the lumped denialists.

    As a general response I would say that I find it curious to read implicit denial of the willingness of the tenth cousins of those who slaughtered Amerinds North and South of the Rio Grande to engage in mass killing of despised people, especially after years of indoctrination building on resentment of Jews and contempt for gypsies.

    Otherwise

    1. Where were women, children and old people left behind in Amsterdam or Rome going to get guns or grenades? Which partisans would hand over precious weapons to them?

    2. You are conceding my point by showing that it was as part of the elimination of Jews from Europe rather than fear of armed resistance that Jews were transported. In America it was specifically West Coast Japanese-Americans who were removed for (partly specious) security reasons and families weren’t separated where they were interned.

    3.No, you just can’t run that one by mid 1944. Unless you acknowledge getting rid of Jews by *any* means (therefore necessarily including death) as a war aim that they were still trying to carry out it made no sense to use limited resources to transport Jews from Budapest rather than force them into a ghetto in Budapest. Not that concentrating them anywhere with a view to resettlement made sense by mid 1944.

    4. You simply ignore my point that killing everyone wasn’t a simple matter when you had to rely on ordinary Germans from a variety of backgrounds to do it.

    Otherwise, thank you for firming up the background information, leaving open only the question of just how ruthless some senior Nazis became in order to make sure that at least one war aim that they regarded as important might be achieved to Germany’s lasting benefit.

    • Replies: @turtle
  882. turtle says:

    The late nineteenth century and the twentieth century, beginning with the Boer War was a period dominated by British Imperialism wed with Jewish Finance. Germany was outpacing Britain in both industrial production and scientific advances as well as military capacity. This was a primary cause of WWI

    Yep.
    The British wished to crush their commercial rivals.
    In order to get the (ahem) “civilized” world on their side, it was first necessary to demonize Germany and anything German. REF: Alfred Milner & associates. Also check out what the noted English poet, Rudyard Kipling, had to say on the subject. After the war, having sent his own son off to be slaughtered, he may have had some kind of apostasy (“ask why we died, say our fathers lied” – he being the father, of course).

    In the United States, the name Edward Bernays, along with “Col.” House, and others, come up. Li’l Eddie, Siggy Fraud’s nephew, literally wrote the book on propaganda, titled, not surprisingly , “Propaganda.” One of history’s ironies is that Li’l Eddie and his work were greatly admired by a certain Dr. Goebbels, ol’ Clubfoot Joe himself. who would not have lived to adulthood had Operation T-4 been in effect during his childhood.

    So it goes…

  883. Theodore says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Other than criticism of Lanzman and the veracity of the tape, nothing that Suchomel said directly is criticized.

    You’re forgetting:
    – The total lack of physical evidence to substantiate the claims (millions of pounds of burnt remains in exactly known locations)
    – The total absurdity of diesel exhaust gas chambers

    Have you seen these 4 photos from a Sonderkomando. One showing the bodies, one showing the women nude going to the gas chambers? Looks pretty real.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderkommando_photographs

    Yes, I have been aware of these photographs for many, many years.
    Care to explain how they refute the “Holocaust deniers”? I don’t understand what is supposed to refute “Holocaust deniers” because they do not claim nobody died. According to “Holocaust deniers” hundreds of thousands of people perished in the camps.

    As for the woman “nude going to the gas chambers” that is incorrect. She is not going to a ‘gas chamber’ there is no proof of that. Why do you believe she is going to a gas chamber? The most likely scenario is that she is going to take a shower.

    Here’s an exercise:

    [MORE]

    Did you know, the Americans systematically exterminated thousands of American citiezens of Japanese ancestry in homicidal gas chambers during WWII? Here is proof:


    Caption: Innocent Americans of Japanese descent being marched off of trains, directly into gas chambers


    Caption: Place of industrial slaughter. This is where the Americans of Japanese descent spared from gas chambers were worked to death


    Caption: More innocent Americans of Japanese descent being marched off to homicidal gas chambers


    Caption: Innocent people waiting to be gassed to death

    Linda: Can you see what I have done here?

  884. @Theodore

    Again you undermine the denialists by your “children grow up” remark. Indeed that is why you would want to kill even the babies and two and three year olds together with their infirm grandmas lest they be brought up to seek vengeance in 20 years time. Or be mistaken for Aryans and therefore likely to contaminate the German breed.

    • Replies: @Theodore
    , @turtle
  885. @Robjil

    Attached to The Nation article-link, provided by Rojil, is this sentence, question: “Why President Obama let Nuland into his administration is anyone’s guess, but there she is.”

    Hey Robjil!

    My guess is PreZident Obama let Vicky Nuland into his administration because he had no choice but to let her in.

    Thanks for your service, Robjil! And as you’re aware, Sunlight is history’s “best disinfectant.” 🌞

    • Agree: Robjil
  886. Theodore says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Again you undermine the denialists by your “children grow up” remark.

    Not really.
    Please see comment #848

    Children were “frequently” used as soldiers in WWII, this isn’t debated at all. You may not be aware of it, but it is nevertheless a part of history.

    Indeed that is why you would want to kill even the babies and two and three year olds together with their infirm grandmas lest they be brought up to seek vengeance in 20 years time. Or be mistaken for Aryans and therefore likely to contaminate the German breed.

    I don’t want to kill babies or anyone. However, the Nazis put Jews (including young children and elderly) into concentration camps and ghettos, so that they were in a centralized location and could more easily be totally resettled out of Europe after the war was over.

    The goal was Europe free of Jews. This is called the “Final Solution” and all of documents are quite clear it was not a policy of extermination, but resettlement/deportation that was eventually postponed until after the war.

    Certainly there are ‘testimonies’ of Nazis murdering babies. There are all sorts of ridiculous testimonies only a fool would believe. There are testimonies of Nazis drowning Jews in feces, and masturbating them to death.
    Jewish “eyewitness” Dr. Charles Bendel claimed during the laughable Tesch Trial that 1 or 2 thousand people were packed into a 10×4 meter area, and that young children, infants were tossed above the adult’s heads when the Auschwitz homicidal gas chamber was packed full. When asked how so many people can fit in such a small space, he said: “It can only be done by the German technique.”

    Of course we know now that no Jew was ever murdered in a homicidal gas chambers at Auschwitz. This has been conclusively proven. Anne Frank herself was deported FROM Auschwitz to Bergen Belsen, where she died of typhus along with tens of thousands of other people. It was a really horrible fate, but it wasn’t a deliberate, planned & systematic extermination. If the ridiculous “Holocaust” story was true, she would have been gassed at Auschwitz.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  887. turtle says:

    It was after all clear from [way back] that it was the era of total war in which civilians mightn’t be specifically targeted but in which they could expect to be casualties.

    I would date “way back “to WWI, known as the “Great War” until the second one came along.
    Some people date the beginning of “mechanized” warfare to the U.S. Civil war (gatling guns), which trend really ripened its poisoned fruit in WWI , which was simply murder on an industrial scale. If you date the era of “total war” to WWI, I would say that concept, in its turn, bore its deadly fruit in WWII, sometime known as The Great War, Part 2.
    There are no longer any innocents.

    WWII, in its turn, birthed the era of global nuclear terror, which, it it ever comes to fruition, will be the real and final “Holocaust.” So much for life on this planet, and an actual data point for the Drake equation, except there will be no intelligent life left on Earth to record the data.
    {cue theme from “Secret Agent”} {vox Johnny Rivers}
    “Odds are we won’t live to see tomorrow.”
    {/Johnny Rivers}
    “And all our yesterdays have lighted fools the way to dusty death.”
    “This is the way the world ends, not with a bang, but a whimper.”

  888. @Theodore

    — Communism ideology was obviously real
    — Communist revolutions were obviously real
    — Inhuman atrocities commited under Communist subjugation was obviously real
    — Communist sympathizers were obviously real
    — USSR was obviously real
    — USSR intelligence organizing paramilitary partizan militia units in capitalist countries to bring about Communist revolution was obviously real
    — Communist sympathizers joining partizan militia units organized by USSR intelligence were obviously real
    — Many Communist sympathizers who joined partizan militia units or provided them with assistance were captured or killed by counterinsurgency units
    — Many were Jews

    • LOL: FB
  889. @renfro

    renfro wrote: “The Tribe itself is a collective narcissist group with a self-defensive tendency to invest unfulfilled self-entitlement into a belief about ingroup’s uniqueness and greatness.”

    Above is great, renfro! Thank you.

    Linda Rice’s brain fluid is so far evaporated by “malignant narcissism” that even multiple waterboarding-sessions would merely hit skull and rinse.

  890. @Wizard of Oz

    Like turtle, above, I have to earn a living, so I’ll address just this part of your comment:

    Whether or not they were war crimes then it is clear that they were not comparable with lining up civilians and shooting them.

    I disagree forcefully.
    The context of “lining up civilians and shooting them” is not stated. If the civilians were partisans, in a war scenario, they are fair game. Abundant evidence exists that Jews (and others) formed partisan networks; some German Jews — about 2500 of them — were trained in USA to carry out sabotage and espionage in Germany. They were not consistently uniformed: some masqueraded as Russian military leaders. Some Jews deliberately spread typhus in camps. Benj. Ginsberg writes of some of these things in How the Jews Defeated Hitler.

    Further, such a means of killing is face-to-face, not from a mile up. Killing-from-a-distance displays “the courage of the sword but not of the blood.”

    Firebombing civilians violates basic and age-old Just War principles: it uses disproportionate force with the deliberate intention to kill civilians, whereas Just War requires that all possible means must be taken to safeguard civilians.

    Third, part of the Holocaust™ doxology is that it was “planned and mechanized” and that, at least according to David Engel, “the extermination of every single Jew was a central feature of the Nazi regime.”
    None of those elements is true with respect to NSDAP vis a vis Jews, and Engel even concedes that fact in the course of his lectures.
    On the other hand, each of those elements can be applied to Allied policy and practice and their intentions toward the Germans — soldiers, government, and civilian — and solid evidence is readily available to demonstrate each of those elements.

    Allies — USA in this context — planned, rehearsed, and perfected a means of creating firestorms, from airplanes, to be used against civilians, well in advance of any hostile act of the German people against the United States.
    There is no form of rationalization that can define the deliberate, planned firebombing of German civilians, including “infants in cribs,” as anything other than a war crime.

    I have visited the 8th Army Air Force Museum outside (otherwise charming) Savannah, Georgia
    https://www.visitsavannah.com/list/14-things-to-know-about-the-national-museum-the-mighty-eighth-air-force
    I view it as a place of shame that celebrates cowardice, not valor. Germans who defended their own nation and people were judged in a kangaroo court and hanged with utmost humiliation and disgrace, while men & women who committed war crimes are celebrated by the volunteers & staff at the Museum.
    I expressed my concerns to staff there, and several volunteers agreed: ” Yes, indeed, those were war crimes.” “But,” said the lady in the bookstore, “I love this job.”
    “Yes, that’s true,” said the man who sat at the reception desk, “but our work here entitles us to use the nearby golf course for free.”

    The firebombings of Germany (and of France, Italy, and Japan) were premeditated.
    A war crime is a war crime is a war crime.

    Politicians, pundits and policymakers in USA point to American victory in WWII as the moment that propelled US to leader of the “international order,” and a time of expanded prosperity for Americans.
    Today, the US is struggling economically (not to mention morally and culturally).

    I submit that the American people have not fully taken on board the fact that, in effect, that “prosperity” and that position as “leader of the free world” were stolen and obtained by treachery.

    It was not the reward for hard work, not fully, certainly not honest work — it can’t be counted as honest when the competition is dealt with by killing them in vast numbers.
    So the American. people don’t quite know how to return to those glory days.
    That’s why US needs to wage war on Iran; Iran is indeed in many ways the Next Nazi.

    • Replies: @turtle
    , @Wizard of Oz
  891. prawda [AKA "prawda a nie klamstwa"] says:

    Jews pushing mandatory Holocaust Studies to Extort Money from Nations and enslave the World.



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  892. Poco says:
    @Germanicus

    Don’t you know that the scum and garbage should be given license to trash all societies for eternity, because anti-semitism. You are evil if you don’t like it. Evil if you fight back. Evil if you don’t worship their usury god. Evil if you don’t worship the perpetrators.
    Germany, by all that is right and holy, should always prostrate itself to Zion.

  893. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Theodore

    Big difference, those people were alive and well after the war. The camps were liberated by Americans and Russians. My fathers BF liberated Auschwitz and was part of the Normandy landing.
    He was an eye witness.
    You are providing smoke and mirrors for a brief snapshot. This is nothing.
    You still fail to explain what happened why some of the family went one way and others went into a different direction never to be seen again.
    How do you know where those women went? There is also written testimony from the Sonderkamandos.
    Written testimony from 4 of them. Those four photos also show bodies.
    The people that died were not amongst the living in the barracks, they never made it to the barracks. These are universal facts.

    • Replies: @Theodore
    , @Genrick Yagoda
  894. turtle says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    J.K.Galbraith as I remember reading him decades ago, that the bombing campaigns made rational sense.

    Clarification, please?
    Did Galbraith contend the bombing campaigns made no economic sense?
    I have read a fair amount of his writings (also long ago) but do not remember anything specifically about WWII bombing campaigns.
    Do you have a reference?
    I would be interested to know what he had to say on the subject.

    Whether or not they were war crimes then it is clear that they were not comparable with lining up civilians and shooting them.

    Personally, I do not see any moral difference between:
    a) hacking people to death with swords (as in ancient history, e.g. Carthage)
    b) shooting them with machine guns
    c) dropping napalm on their heads.
    d) dropping nuclear weapons on their heads
    e) or any other method you care to name, including CBW.
    They are just as dead, any way you kill them.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  895. turtle says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    implicit denial of the willingness of the tenth cousins of those who slaughtered Amerinds North and South of the Rio Grande to engage in mass killing of despised people,

    Not sure what you intend here.
    Are you saying that US citizens were “down” for slaughtering Europeans of, shall we say, “disfavored” groups? If so, it is the first time I have heard that.
    Or did you intend the distant European cousins of US citizens?
    Maybe distant relatives of this man:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_de_Oñate
    I dunno.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  896. annamaria says:
    @Fran Taubman

    ” It is not an endless meaningless list.”
    — If zionists are so sure, then why honest researchers in WWII are put to prison? What is so scary (and “antisemitic”) about the facts?

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @renfro
  897. annamaria says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You are looking for H-deniers in all the wrong places. Here are the real deniers who have no shame:

  898. prawda [AKA "prawda a nie klamstwa"] says:

    ” Exercise Your Right to Be Informed” Truth Does Not Need Laws to Protect It



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  899. @turtle

    Thanks. These days the infants would probably be adopted by Tom Cruise and become Scientologists. That’s real cruelty.

  900. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Theodore

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Holocaust_denial

    You have yet to provide an answer of proof for the fact that people went into a building and never came out. That is a fact. They were never seen again. These camps were designed and built as extermination camps, with assembly line efficiency.
    People were separated and one group worked the other group went to die. Story after story after story. They died and were cremated in that building.
    There is no other explanation.

    • Replies: @Theodore
  901. turtle says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Yes, indeedy.
    I believe Gen. LeMay is on record as stating his belief that, had the U.S been on the losing side, he expected to be hanged as a war criminal for fire bombing of Tokyo.
    Arthur Harris would no doubt have met a similar end.
    Win the war, get knighted, or run for President .
    Lose the war, meet the hangman.

    Iran is indeed in many ways the Next Nazi.

    Let’s hope not, although Pompous-ass-eo and his bff, “bonkers” Bolton, are doing their worst to make it so.

  902. Theodore says:
    @Fran Taubman

    My fathers BF liberated Auschwitz and was part of the Normandy landing.

    You’re not making any sense at all.

    1 – Auschwitz was “liberated” entirely by Soviet troops

    2 – There were no Soviet troops in the Normandy landing

    Conclusion: Either you are lying, or someone lied to you

    He was an eye witness.

    To what? Are you saying he was an eye witness to Jews being killed in homicidal gas chambers? Because that contradicts your other story.

    Remember: Nobody denies Jews suffered, starved, and perished in the concentration camps

    How do you know where those women went?

    I am not saying I know. You are the one saying YOU KNOW that they were gassed, despite literally zero evidence to substantiate this.

    There is also written testimony from the Sonderkamandos.

    You’re correct. People that hated Nazis and were mistreated and persecuted by Nazis wrote things that said the Nazis were evil. So what?

    The “Sonderkommando” can’t keep their stories straight, a common issue for people that compulsively lie:

    ‘The Matrix of Converging Evidence’ / the true convergence supports the Revisionist side
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12262

    Written testimony from 4 of them. Those four photos also show bodies.

    Nobody denies bodies, once again. You’re very, very confused. Piles of bodies do not prove that “Holocaust deniers” are wrong.

    Sorry, but eyewitness testimony is the weakest form of evidence

    The people that died were not amongst the living in the barracks, they never made it to the barracks. These are universal facts.

    Please prove it.

    Actually, no Jew was ever gassed at Auschwitz. You can not name one Jew, with proof, murdered in a gas chamber at Auschwitz

    Please explain how the alleged “Homicidal gas chambers” worked at Auschwitz. Be very specific.

    The “Auschwitz gas chambers” atrocity propaganda lie demolished here:

    The Rudolf Report: Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects of the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/trr/

    • Replies: @turtle
  903. turtle says:

    Today in history, FWIW:
    5oth anniversary of Apollo 11 landing on the Moon.
    Good on ya, Buzz, Neil, Michael C and the 500,000 Americans who made it possible.
    75th anniversary of Operation Valkyrie
    Respect, Graf von Stauffenberg and brothers in arms.
    Damned shame you did not succeed.
    We honor your memory.

  904. annamaria says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “Have you seen these 4 photos from a Sonderkomando?”

    — Have you read about the Jewish Lobby’ protection of neo-Nazism in Ukraine? https://www.alternet.org/2014/11/how-israel-lobby-protected-ukrainian-neo-nazis/

    If passed, Conyers’ amendment would have explicitly barred those found to have offered “praise or glorification of Nazism or its collaborators, including through the use of white supremacist, neo-Nazi, or other similar symbols” from receiving any form of support from the US Department of Defense.

    Despite their stated mission to combat anti-Semitism and violent extremism, the ADL and Wiesenthal Center refused to support Jeffries and Conyers’ proposal.

    The Jewish State has been arming the self-proclaimed neo-Nazi in Ukraine:

    Your tribe has no shame and no morals. Please, stop pestering the world with your whining about special Jewish victimhood. The more zionists cry about their special victimhood, the louder is the reminder about the enormous crimes of Jewish Bolsheviks against Russians and about zionists’ ongoing crimes against the civilian populations in Iraq, Libya, and Syria. (The situation in Palestine is a Jewish replay of Warsaw Ghetto).
    The ongoing mass slaughter for Eretz Israel makes the holo-museums into obscenity.

  905. Theodore says:
    @Fran Taubman

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Holocaust_denial

    This entire link is debunked here:

    https://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%27s_and_RationalWiki%27s_Holocaust_articles#.22Criticism_of_Holocaust_denial.22_article

    Funny how that link still uses the fraudulent quote by Groening “I saw the gas chambers” – It’s a total misquote! Talk about a bad source!

    You have yet to provide an answer of proof for the fact that people went into a building and never came out. That is a fact.

    No it is not. You have failed to prove that this is a fact.

    These camps were designed and built as extermination camps, with assembly line efficiency.

    Absolutely incorrect. They were actually quite terribly built for that purpose. In the Auschwitz “Gas chamber” the Nazis supposedly had to use a 4×9 foot hand-drawn elevator to transport thousands of Jews per day to the crematoria.

    Common sense would dictate you put the homicidal gas chambers ABOVE the crematoria. Then, you gas the people (not with Zyclon-B but something better) and then have them drop DOWN to a floor below, where you put them in a large crematoria oven which can fit multiple people at a time. Something more like a blast furnace.

    It’s incredibly easy to actually design a superior and more systematic and efficient ‘extermination camp’ than Auschwitz. Clearly, it was not designed for mass murder.

    People were separated and one group worked the other group went to die. Story after story after story. They died and were cremated in that building.
    There is no other explanation.

    There is another explanation:
    – Jewish Historian and Auschwitz survivor Shmuel Krakowski admits that the majority of holocaust testimony is “Unreliable”
    – You are putting too much trust into a small number of cherry-picked testimonies, the majority do not say what you’re claiming
    – Testimony of children in an extremely emotional event is by nature unreliable. Please see comment #605

    You’re really at the point, once again, of inventing anecdotes as your argument. You have decided want you want to believe, and you will desperately create stories in your head that don’t actually exist as proof. Another example is of your imaginary person who liberated Auschwitz with the Soviets and also invaded Normandy with the Americans. It makes no sense!

    FACTS:
    – Jewish holocaust survivor Joseph G. Burg was in the concentration camps. After the war he interviewed hundreds of survivors of Auschwitz and decided the “Homicidal gas chamber” claims were fraudulent.
    – Over 95% of Auschwitz testimonies make no mention of homicidal gas chambers
    – The quantity of ferrocyanide residue in the alleged homicidal gas chamber walls of Auschwitz is over 1000 times lower than the delousing chamber walls. This is proof that these rooms were not used for mass murder with Zyclon-B

    Auschwitz gas chambers debunked:

    The Rudolf Report: Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects of the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz
    http://vho.org/GB/Books/trr/index.html

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  906. turtle says:
    @Theodore

    Piss poor design for a killing machine, if you ask me.
    Where is that vaunted German engineering expertise?
    Nowhere to be found, or so it would seem.

    Possibilities:
    1. Germans were short of engineering staff, and subcontracted the engineering work to incompetent locals. Sorry, no offense intended to Polish nationals as an ethnic group.
    2. The facility was indeed designed as a morgue, as shown on the CDs, but was later repurposed, due to exigent circumstances, by the camp commandant, under orders from higher authority to “get the job done.”
    3. The facility was never used for anything but its original purpose, i.e. a morgue.

    I vote for possibility number 2.
    As in, “WTF am I supposed to do with all these people???
    I dunno, Rudy, deal with it.”
    {Hitler Gruß}
    {heels clicking}
    Ja wohl, mein Herr.

  907. renfro says:
    @annamaria

    The Holocaust Industry is freaking out because the holocaust is receding in history and fewer and fewer people have even heard about it or know anything about it.
    Their money making and extortion racket based on the holocaust will end within a decade..

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-shows-americans-are-forgetting-about-holocaust-n865396

    Study shows Americans are forgetting about the Holocaust

    Of those who have heard of the Holocaust, many are fuzzy about the facts of a systematic campaign of murder that killed 12 million people, 6 million of them Jews. One-third of respondents — the number rises to 41 percent for millennials — think that two million or fewer people died.

    With the youngest survivors now in their mid-70s, the chance of hearing first-hand stories is rapidly dwindling. Two-thirds of Americans do not personally know or know of a Holocaust survivor.

    Schneider said there has also been an increase in anti-Semitism, and Americans agree, according to the survey. Sixty-eight percent of respondents believe there is anti-Semitism in the U.S. today. Separately, data released by the Anti-Defamation League shows a 57 percent spike in anti-Semitic incidents in the U.S. in the past year.”

    • Replies: @annamaria
  908. Paul C. says:
    @Saggy

    The Luciferian’s are facilitating mass Islamic immigration into the West in order to destroy it and Christianity. Out of the ashes of WW3 will rise their Anti-Christ and a One World Religion which is Luciferianism.

    https://www.disclose.tv/in-1870-illuminati-grand-wizard-albert-pike-predicted-how-the-three-world-wars-will-start-315765

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=580&v=0dXD2H0m74g

    I don’t agree with every claim in the video (like planes hitting the twin towers on 9/11, etc…) but the general premise appears to be consistent with what is happening in the world. Nearly every false flag or hoax terrorist event involves “fanatical Muslims” shouting “Allah Akbar”. All puppet government leaders (Masons) are allowing and even encouraging invaders into their countries, Merkel being a prime example but she’s just one of many. The politician’s generally don’t have power. Power is held by those who have 100% control of the financial system (Central Banks) and thus the media and government’s as well.

    It appears that Albert Pike’s prognostications, similar to the narrative in the ‘Protocols of the Elders of Zion’, are being carried out in real time.

    Hopefully with the help of divine intervention, we can thwart the blueprint of evil.

  909. renfro says:
    @annamaria

    They are desperate to keep the holocaust alive to squeeze more money out of countries and enlisted the US to sue countries for them as we sued France on their behalf. They are a pit of snakes striking at everything…even at each other over the money. Its truly sickening.

    A few examples:

    Senate passes bill to help Holocaust survivors obtain restitution | The …
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/senate-passes-bill-to-help-holocaust-survivors-obtain-re&#8230;
    Dec 12, 2017 – The measure requires the US State Department to report on the progress of certain European countries toward the return of or restitution for …

    Trump signs Holocaust property law that has angered Poland – AP News
    https://www.apnews.com/a96444a4f11a44b0907ef610dd6121f5
    May 10, 2018 – … steps dozens of countries in Europe have taken to compensate Holocaust … The World Jewish Restitution Organization said Thursday that …

    Holocaust survivors’ children sue Germany for therapy fees – Haaretz …
    https://www.haaretz.com/1.4952800
    The plaintiffs, calling themselves second-generation Holocaust survivors, say the … Since the 1950s, Germany has paid more than $60 billion in reparations to

    Lawsuit: Recognize 2nd generation as Shoah victims – Ynetnews
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3387483,00.html
    Apr 13, 2007 – Many of the second-generation survivors told Fisher about the difficulties they were forced to experience as children to Holocaust survivors,

    French Reparations To Holocaust Victims Are Distributed By U.S. : NPR
    https://www.npr.org/…/holocaust-survivors-and-victims-families-receive-millions-in-rep&#8230;
    Feb 7, 2019 – Holocaust Survivors And Victims’ Families Receive Millions In … The money is the second and last round of payments from $60 million France …

    Third Generation Holocaust survivors to sue Second Generation
    normanfinkelstein.com/…/third-generation-holocaust-survivors-to-sue-second-generat…
    Apr 25, 2015 – Third Generation Holocaust survivors to sue Second Generation Holocaust survivors for stealing millions from First Generation Holocaust

    • Replies: @mcohen
    , @turtle
  910. @turtle

    That Spaniard, of whom I had never heard certainly knew how to apply the touch of firm government.

    Otherwise anything obscure about what I wrote .may be cleared up if I say that I find it surprising that Americans who know what white Americans did to Native Americans as late as the late 19th century and about the attitudes they expressed would expect anti Semitic Germans to have felt much more constrained during WW2.

    • Replies: @Rich
  911. @turtle

    I don’t remember where I first came across Galbraith’s opinion on the matter but I have just found the following oddly truncated piece when I Googled for his views on WW2 area bombing:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jul/15/usa.iraq

    I have long known that the Germans managed to restore production after bombing raids remarkably quickly but I suspect that Galbraith and other critics failed to account for the diversion of resources to defence against bombing. That 41 per cent figure is a little odd but sounds significant.

    As to you last point you have ignored my expressing the contrast as one that had civilians being forced to line up to be murdered. It wasn’t even as though they were told “in 15 minutes we are going to explode several large bombs in this general vicinity. You are at liberty to go and hide in a bunker or make a run for it if you can work out somewhere to go”.

    • Replies: @turtle
  912. @SolontoCroesus

    I am sure there is much I could agree with but I see a potential distinction between punishing a whole village by shooting to kill everyone they can get their hands on (or lock up in a church and incinerate) and causing fire and destruction which could make workers manufacturing the necessities of war abandon their work places either temporarily to hide in shelters or permanently by moving our of the city.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  913. @Theodore

    Whether or not many of the Hungarian (and other) Jews sent to Auschwicz in 1944 were immediately killed there is another evidentiary question to be asked. What did those thorough German bureaucrats record about
    (a) the food supplies needed for the reporters and how they were to be secured
    (b) other administrative details like the number of rail wagons required, water and food supplies while en route, beds/bunks available at the camp for the newcomers?

    • Replies: @Theodore
  914. @Theodore

    No magic. If you refer to the BBC reference I quoted in #577, you’ll see a map of the Treblinka site with a scale of distance. If all the bodies were buried there whole it would probably take a volume under the entire area marked within the borders marked on the map, which is actually abouut the size of a stadium. However, the claim is that the corpses were burned and the ashes buried in the far smaller pits marked on the map. The dimensions of these pits are given in the text and are quite small. It’s easy enough to calculate the volume of ashes of those claimed to have been buned tbere (an exercise for Turtle) and see if they could fit in the mentioned pits. Off hand I think they probably could. The text claims that the open burning was not very efficient and that some bone materials remained and that bone fragments were in fact found. You already replied to that comment so you presumably saw the map. Those are the claims and they seem plausible to me.

    • Replies: @Theodore
  915. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    Study the Kabbalah to learn where the term cabal came from. Traditional ancient Kabbalah teaching includes at its root, human blood sacrifice, the highest of sacrifices. Its practice is based on the Talmud, ancient Jewish Mysticism. The Zohar delves deeply into the hidden knowledge of existence and its mysteries. Wars are huge religious rituals involving the spilling of oceans of blood pleasing the gods. Indeed, religion has a track record of contradiction and strife almost always eventually culminating in spiritual genocide, defined by the spilling of blood for the express purpose of releasing the human soul from its corporeal suffering, thereby pleasing the mythical gods who terrify humanity with their awesome powers of destruction. These belief systems are hard wired into humanity’s consciousness, then reinforced in books, movies and “science fiction” memes using narrative and linguistics to keep them alive and functionally useful within the human brain. This ancient meme permeates humanity’s consciousness. It’s practiced as a type of theater around the world every Sunday in the form of the host=body and wine=blood. Before there were laws there was Natural Law. Christ was the penultimate victim humans experiencing suffering could identify with. Because of his teaching of natural law he was made a scapegoat, a sacrificial lamb who needed to die in order to bring redemption to mankind. Arguing whether the holocaust is real or a hoax takes the mind’s consciousness, which is where its highest power resides, completely off the ball. War proves that the insane whom we allow to lead us are barbarians wearing blue suits and red or blue ties or who parade around in various colored uniforms depicting air, sea, land or spirit. Popes, bishops priests, psychologists and other so called clerics who promote their organized and regimented belief systems enable this pattern to continue for money, power and prestige. To summarize, these are the signs of a human civilization in late stage-four cancer. Terminal.

  916. Brewer says:

    “So let me get this straight, you loose a child during the war, or your mother, or your spouse.
    You mean to say that you are not going to try and find them you are just going to relocate your life and move to on?”

    Nothing I have written in any way conflicts with the drive to reconcile with lost ones. In fact, many have found lost relatives. Given that people lose people during peace-time it is hardly surprising that, during the chaos of War, there is widespread dislocation. As I have pointed out, more than 20 million people became “lost”. If we follow your logic, it must be that the National Socialists exterminated all of them – because that is what is entailed by your argument.

    Let me be perfectly clear. I am somewhat agnostic where the Holocaust is concerned. I do not have a firm opinion on the matter. I know that the accepted narrative is flawed in that some of the methods/events simply defy reality -that is why I read this blog.
    My contribution is simply to point out that your argument (in this case) is logically flawed. As such, it tends to give credence to the skeptic’s POV.

    You may have better ones but I suggest you leave that particular one out.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  917. @Theodore

    Interesting points especially the last one, mentioned also in the BBC report about why non- invasive techniques were used. Makes you wonder if every time somebody murders and buries a Jew, they refuse to call forensics or dig up the body out of respect for Jewish beliefs, in Israel or wherever. On the other hand, you can’t expect authorities to give permission to dig to every crackpot who turns up and cause great material damage especially if they deem the issue largely already settled.

    I’m having problems loading this long thread on my device and may have even double posted a reply to you accidentally. So until some other threat maybe. RU seems to have a penchant for this topic so it will arise again soon with all the usual suspects out to duel. Cheers.

    • Replies: @Wally
  918. mcohen says:
    @renfro

    Thats right every cent will be paid back with interest and every piece of property will be returned to its rightful owners.
    Take note that this has been the case for some time and with good reason.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Wizard of Oz
  919. @Fran Taubman

    What rank did your father achieve in the NKVD?

    Because no American or Brit was anywhere near the liberation of Bullschwitz.

    And what did he see? Happy, well fed children who weren’t gassed, and were subsequently dressed in prison garb for the cameras?

  920. Ian Kershaw’s monumental work Hitler is a Jewish travesty. It is a forgery of history.
    Main purpose of the book is to suppress the very high probability that Hitler’s natural father was actually a Jew.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  921. annamaria says:
    @renfro

    “The Anti-Defamation League shows a 57 percent spike in anti-Semitic incidents in the U.S. in the past year.”
    — The zionists have been certainly asking for that.
    The treasonous activities of AIPAC, the prominence of ziocons among the main pushers for the wars of aggression in the Middle East and among the main actors of regime change in Ukraine, the castrated zionized Congress, the zionists’ attacks on the freedom of speech and freedom of information, the gentle treatment of Israeli spies — who would think that the US citizenry will be finally fed up with the non-stop squealing about Jewish victimhood.
    The availability of factual historical information has been a disaster for Israel-firsters.

  922. And here’s the long-forgotten story of how it all began:

    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=191642#comment-934919

  923. annamaria says:
    @mcohen

    Are you a Japanese-American or a Russian whose property has been confiscated by Jewish dealers?
    Or perhaps you are a Palestinian whose olive grove has been bulldozed and whose home has been destroyed by the “most moral” citizens of the Jewish State?

    This is how the “most victimized” desecrate a Palestinian cemetery:

    The “most victimized” in action: http://apjp.org/israel-builds-museum-on-palest/

    Israel has resumed excavations in a Muslim graveyard in West Jerusalem as part of the “Museum of Tolerance” project, a local committee said Tuesday, as authorities seek to confiscate Palestinian land in Jordan Valley and Ramallah.

    “mcohen:” “Take note that this has been the case for some time and with good reason.”
    Take note that steep the rise of anti-zionism globally has been the case with good reason.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  924. Corvinus says:
    @Theodore

    “Part of the issue here is that well over 90% of what you consider “The Holocaust” is not denied by “Deniers”…”

    The facts you listed are outright denied or significantly downplayed by deniers. Furthermore, these facts, which have been verified, only serve as evidence that this event occurred.

    “However, there was no Nazi plan to exterminate all Jews.”

    If you believe the Final Solution was a real policy, then that lends credibility here. Furthermore, there has been significant documentation indicating that this plan was developed and executed by Nazi leaders.

    “Additionally, the “6 million” number is total nonsense.”

    Can we just say that millions of Jews died at the hands of Nazis?

    “And finally, the primary murder weapon, homicidal gas chambers, were not used at the camps.”

    Again, there is documentation, as well as eyewitness accounts by Jews, non-Jews, and German soldiers, indicating that there were gas chambers and that they were used.

    “Every document mentioning the “Final Solution” defines it as resettlement/deportation…”

    It cannot be attributed to a single decision made at one particular point in time; the decision making process was prolonged and incremental, and decisions made by the German High Command clearly show that ultimately the extermination of Jews was a culmination of their efforts.
    There was deliberate mass murder of Jews.

    “And yet one side has been persecuted and thrown in prison cells for publishing work on the subject, work that is not “hate” and does not promote “racism” or “antisemitism”.”

    Debatable.

    “Further, this group is totally prevented from excavating the alleged ‘extermination camps’ — in other words, it has not been “thoroughly” investigated.”

    There have been excavations. It is an interesting question, although not surprising, as to why Holocaust deniers were not part of the process.

    https://www.livescience.com/44443-treblinka-archaeological-excavation.html

    https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.premium.MAGAZINE-excavating-nazi-death-camps-in-search-of-holocaust-victims-stories-1.5626771

  925. Corvinus says:
    @Robjil

    “Are you talking about the present one – Seven Nations to destroy Holocaust in the Middle East? A Holocaust is burning fire attacks on civilians.”

    That is not a Holocaust. You are purposely perverting its meaning.

    “The US and Britian did a lot of Holocausts on French, German and Japanese civilians in WWII. Are you talking about those?”

    No, those were not “Holocausts”. It was a war. People, including civilians, die. The goal of a war is to win. Whoever wins the war does not get “prosecuted”.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  926. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:

    Before the war my fathers was a photographer by profession. During the war he was an aerial photographer mapping out Normandy for the allied invasion.
    It was my fathers friend who liberated Buchenwald
    Below is the article on him.
    https://jcpatriot.com/uncategorized/2016/03/23/sol-goldstein/

  927. Corvinus says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    “Wordsmith? Really?”

    Definitively.

    “Sorry to employ reason to challenge your assumptions and confirmation bias, but you impress me as an amateur joker.”

    Funny how your “reasoning” is soaked in your own assumptions and confirmation bias. Carry on…

  928. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Brewer

    I am not arguing. I am stating what I know. That for me is the clearest path to the truth. I know I am not lying. I have many friends who are survivors that show photos of their lost family members. The stories are the same. They were transported by train to a camp. Once unloaded they were separated from their family members never to be seen again. The people went into a building and never came out. Where did they go? They were not transported to another location.
    Story after story is the same. The building they went into had a smoke stack. People unloaded their belongings and undressed thinking they were going to showers. They never came out.
    No one ever saw them again.
    My guess and most of the world’s guess is that they died in those buildings and were cremated.
    These are the historic facts of millions of survivors. Not one not two but virtually all of them.
    It is a linear story from a linear path from a train to to separating into different selection lines, to disappearance. I am an engineer by trade. I have a logical linear mind. I know and have seen many photos of survivors families.
    Again whole villages were transported with large extended families. Uncles, aunts cousins and grandparents. Times were very different.

  929. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:

    Dear Ron how do I put a phot0 from my lap top (which is a mac) onto my comment block. I can never get it to download properly. I can only download IP addresses. Am I missing a tool to do that?
    Thanks

    • Replies: @FB
  930. Theodore says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Those are the claims and they seem plausible to me.

    Some things are, some things are not. Here’s the thing. Something can be alleged and totally possible to happen, yet it did not happen. But if something is impossible, it could not have happened, therefore it did not.

    Multiple excavations of Treblinka have failed to find the alleged “Huge mass graves” — this is why you are utterly incapable of showing a single photo proving even 1% of the alleged 870,000 are there.

    870,000 people burned in open air pyres is a lot of burnt remains. It is actually millions and millions of pounds of burnt remains as well as tens of millions of teeth.

    Here is a cubic meter:

    The burnt remains of 400-500 people, cremated in an actual crematory oven, can fit within 1 cubic meter. I protest against the word “ashes” because that makes it seem as though people are *poofed* into something like wood ash. This is incorrect. What it really is like is burnt bones. Anyway, in an actual crematory oven, for every pound a person is, that is 1 cubic inch of ashes. Therefore, a 130 lb (59kg) person would be cremated into 130 cubic inches (2,130 cubic cm) of ashes.

    But at Treblinka, there were no alleged crematory ovens. People were supposedly burned in huge, open air hibachis (pyres) made of rail road tracks. And some ‘witnesses’ said they didn’t even need fuel to burn the bodies!

    Which goes to say, there would be 1500-2000 cubic meters of burnt remains if the story was true, possibly more. Yet, we have not been shown even 1% of this, or even 1/10th of 1% of this. Why? We get a few splotches on a map (something which is so easily faked), but no actual verifiable forensic excavations of human remains.

    from Yitzhak Arad’s book – BELZEC, SOBIBOR, TREBLINKA – (chapter 23) – The Erasure of the Crimes:
    “The camp command [at Treblinka] was confronted with the problem of disposing of the large piles of ash and bits of bone that remained… Ultimately it was decided to dump the ash and bits of bone into the ditches that had previously held the bodies and to cover them with a thick layer of sand and dirt… [Eyewitness] Abraham Goldfarb relates: …’we secretly placed in the walls of the graves whole skeletons and we wrote on scraps of paper what the Germans were doing at Treblinka. We put the scraps of paper into bottles, which we placed next to the skeletons. Our intention was that if one day someone looked for traces, they could indeed be found.’”

    Caroline Sturdy-Colls found shark teeth and many other random things excavating this camp. She did find a few human bones, and this would be expected, as “deniers” assume that some number of people actually died in transport and from natural causes and were buried.
    But the quantity actually found is more consistent with the position of the “Deniers” than the exterminationists. If hundreds of thousands of people (millions of pounds of remains) are supposedly buried in exactly known spots, and you dig for weeks trying to find them and do not find anything more than a few scattered graves (supposedly) but find prehistoric shark teeth, it’s time to reconsider the goofy narrative.

    This is a montage of her supposed pits on the map:

    Sorry, but I don’t understand how 870,000 people can fit in those splotches.

    From:

    Comments on Treblinka Statements by Caroline Sturdy Colls
    https://codoh.com/library/document/3952/

    Also check out:

    Treblinka Archaeology Hoax
    https://archive.org/details/TheTreblinkaArchaeologyHoax

    Once again, please prove me wrong. I want to be wrong here. Show me the enormous quantity of human remains in the exactly known locations which would necessarily exist if the story was true. Then I can claim this $100,000 reward (I’ll split it with you!): http://www.nafcash.com/

  931. @Wizard of Oz

    I see a potential distinction . . .

    Don’t be shy, flesh it out: what is that potential distinction?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  932. Wally says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    said:
    “Caroline Sturdy-Colls’s study seems to contradict Krege’s claims as she discovered evidence of mass graves at Treblinka. Furthermore she even found the gas chambers and human remains.”

    “Evidence of mass graves” with no human remains. LOL
    IOW, she found nothing.

    Still dodging my post #302 which shows us where it is claimed that 900,000 Jews are supposedly buried at Treblinka. Yet Sturdy-Colls, nor any of your Zionist mates, can show us what is claimed.

    The Los Angeles Coliseum holds ca 90,000. But, according to Jews, 900,000 Jews were allegedly murdered & buried at Treblinka, which would necessarily have left unimaginable amounts of human remains. In fact, Jews claim those remains still exist. That claim equals 10 times the Los Angeles Coliseum capacity shown here:There are no such human remains.

    recommended:
    The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax


    Video Link

  933. Robjil says:
    @annamaria

    This “Museum of Tolerance” is built on a Muslim graveyard and also on the place where there was massacres of tens of thousands of Christians by Jews when the Persians took over Jerusalem in 614. This massacre is hidden from our eyes.

    https://www.jpost.com/Local-Israel/In-Jerusalem/Massacre-at-Mamilla

    Israel’s Museum of Tolerance is built on bones of massacres Christians by Jewish soldiers in the 614.

    Completely overlooked in the current media frenzy about building the Museum of Tolerance atop the millennium-old Ma’amun Allah Cemetery is the site’s forgotten history as the killing field of 614.

    Besides massacres of unknown number of Christians, three centuries of Christian historical culture were destroyed in a few days by anti-Christian Jews. Persian invaded Jerusalem, the Jews of the city killed all the Christians and destroyed the city.

    In that year, nearly three centuries of prosperity under the Byzantine empire were shattered by Persia’s Sassanid Shah Khosrau II, known as Parvez – the Victorious.

    It took only 20 days for this large scale destruction of Jerusalem and the massacres of Christians by the Jews. The Jews joined with the Persians conquerors in the destruction of the city.

    Local Jews together with their co-religionists in Babylonia allied with the Zoroastrian invaders to defeat the Christian rulers. Seeking revenge for generations of persecution, the Jews destroyed hundreds of churches and monasteries. James Parkes described the ensuing slaughter in his book, A History of Palestine from 135 AD to Modern Times: “In 614 they took Jerusalem after a siege lasting only 20 days.

    The Jews took the lead in the massacre of Christians during the Persian invasion of Jerusalem.

    There is no doubt that the Persians received substantial help from the Jews of Galilee. One chronicler mentions a figure of 20,000 Jewish soldiers, another 26,000. While the actual figures are as unreliable as all ancient figures, there is no reason to question the fact that the Jews aided the Persians with all the men they could muster, and that the help they gave was considerable. “Once Jerusalem was in Persian hands a terrible massacre of Christians took place, and the Jews are accused of having taken the lead in this massacre. It would not be surprising if the accusation were true, even though the fantastic stories told of Jewish revenge by Christian chroniclers are certainly exaggerated.”

    The Jews promoted and did the massacres of Christians. The Persians had pity for the Christians and stopped the Jews from killing all the Christians of Jerusalem. Even after that, the Jews bought Christian prisoners to slaughter them.

    How many Christian prisoners of war were murdered by the Mamilla Pool? A precise number is of course now impossible to verify, but Israeli archaeologist Ronny Reich puts the tally at 60,000 before the Persian military stopped the carnage. One eyewitness, Strategius of St. Sabas, wrote: “Jews ransomed the Christians from the hands of the Persian soldiers for good money, and slaughtered them with great joy at Mamilla Pool, and it ran with blood.”

    When the Muslims took over Jerusalem in 638 AD, the Patriach Sofronius demanded the Arab ruler protect the Christians from the Jews.

    Persian rule in the Land of Israel lasted 14 years. The Byzantines briefly returned to a country in ruins in 628, only to face the formidable army of Muhammad’s friend Omar ibn Khattab. One cannot understand the Sulha al-Quds – the treaty of Jerusalem’s capitulation concluded in 638, without remembering the massacre at Mamilla a generation earlier. Patriarch Sofronius demanded, and the powerful Arab ruler agreed, to protect the people of Jerusalem from the ferocity of the Jews.

    Jewish culture did very bad deeds in past and continues to do bad deeds. Hiding these bad deeds, allows Jewish culture to do bad deeds on a massive scale in our world in our time with impunity. Nine eleven has Israeli fingerprints all over it and yet our MSM can’t talk about that. This nine eleven event has destroyed most of the Middle East and continues to do so. We never learn about things like these Mamilla massacres in our history classes in school. This article is from an Israeli site. Other sites are too “scared” to even talk about it.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  934. Jester says:
    @Rurik

    I have an even better one for you. In the Life picture book entitled Word War 2, (it has a photo of a good looking G! wearing a helmet, with a beard stubble and smoking) there is a photo of an oven with a hand protruding. If you think those Nazis were clever and supermen you are wrong. Jews outdid them. This photo is proof ! Somehow or the other, the man burned to ashes but the hand remain untouched..and alive…such that it managed to open the hot oven door from the inside and just made it out just in time for an anonymous photo. See page 231

    Further the oven looked like a single oven. How did 6 million perish in such small capacity vessels ??

    Another photo shows a SS man “in the vast expanses of the Steppe” taking aim with a rifle at a mother and child just a few feet away. Why would a soldier a few feet away use a rifle ? Why would he need to aim it? Good questions ! However the photo was later proven to be a fake ie it was 2 separate photos joined together.

    Yet another picture in this book showed a group of Jews “liberated” from the camp with the comment of lucky survivors who were able to stand. Yet these men looked quite healthy.

    In another photo in a different publication there was a display of a shrunken head and a lamp with a lampshade made of “jewish skin”. Closer examination of the photo by experts asserted the head was probably a head trophy from the Jivaro Indians of the western Amazon (they were feared headhunters) scrounged from some museum as the face clearly did not have jewish features. Further, with 6 million dead only one head was shrunk ? And of allwere burnt just one jew was skinned to make the lamp ? Before these 2 pieces of proof could be examined they disappeared.

    The whole Holocaust think is such a massive load of shit !

    As for jews taking a bath and using soap if you ever travel be sure not to sit next to any of them. They usually stink to high heavens. It looks like jew soap, gypsy soap or regular soap is still unknown and unused in that community.

    The lies have become so numerous and convoluted that more lies must be constructed to keep the whole ghastly construction together.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  935. Wally says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    Try going into a real court of law and make claims that 6,000,000 of one group & 5,000,000 others from other groups were murdered.

    The “Holocau$t Industry” in court:
    ‘Please your honor, there really are remains of millions upon millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are, but, but, well, umm, we can’t show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we’re Zionists.’

    The Big False Excuse: ‘excavation & exhumation of Jew remains forbidden’
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6817
    and:
    “Jewish Burial Law” as fake excuse’
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8997
    and:
    ‘First UK Burial for Holocaust Victims – No Autopsy’:
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12231

    No alleged human remains of millions in allegedly known locations to see, no ‘holocaust’.

  936. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Theodore

    You’re really at the point, once again, of inventing anecdotes as your argument. You have decided want you want to believe, and you will desperately create stories in your head that don’t actually exist as proof. Another example is of your imaginary person who liberated Auschwitz with the Soviets and also invaded Normandy with the Americans. It makes no sense!

    My imaginary person liberated Buchenwald. His name is Sol Goldstein here is an article on him. He was my fathers business partner.
    https://jcpatriot.com/uncategorized/2016/03/23/sol-goldstein/

    Lets just get this straight I do not have any imaginary friends. This will be my last reply.

    You deny the extermination to claim resettlement using the logic of where are the remains.

    If you follow the story it was a long arduous road from home to the camps. Starting with the forced wearing of yellow stars and restrictions on living space and professions. Then there were the ghettos where people were starving in the streets. There is substantial evidence to show this. When the Warsaw ghetto was being liquidated and the transports to camps started the Jews knew what their fate would be. It was no secret. There was no resettlement program. They had been beaten down and humiliated for years.

    The story in not an anecdotal one. It is a logical one. You want to defy the logic and snap to a narrative because one part of science does not suit your narrative.

    Let me explain one last time. Villages and ghettos were liquidated and transported to camps. When Jews arrived as FAMILY UNITS to those camps they was a selection process. Lines were formed.
    There are photographs showing that despite your comical simulation of the Japanese forming lines.
    These people had traveled really long miles under harsh conditions after being pretty beaten down with humiliation and fear. These are universal facts.

    After the selection process, PARTS OF THE FAMILIES were given uniforms and moved to barracks where they lived. The other parts of the family went toward a building with a smoke stack. They were undressed and told they were going to showers. THEY NEVER LEFT THAT BUILDING. They were never seen again. They were never transported anywhere.

    Story after story after story. From survivors to inmates to Germans is the same. They were exterminated and cremated in that facility that they went to.
    They never showed up in the camp for roll call for meals. There is no record of transportation anywhere.

    People searched for them in DP camps with list of missing. They were never found.

    Furthermore if the exterminations accounts were not accurate, 2nd or third generations of Germans would have brought down the world with screams of tortured confessions and lies that the Jews were not exterminated that it was a lie, that the gas was used to delouse, and a resettlement program not an extermination program
    .
    The first generation would have told the second generation that it was all a lie. Posthumous vindication would be the rage.

    Instead we here silence and recognition from the stories of families that it was true.
    Fortunately for me and unfortunately for you the world believes me and my logic.

    You deniers are a lunatic fringe that a majority of the world does not believe, especially the culprits the Germans, who know from their own family members what happened.

    I do not have to go very far in this quest to claim victory, because I have more than anecdotes I have the world at large including scientist, survivors, engineers, politicians and the vast scope of history. . Yad Vahem has 4.5 million names. I am sticking with that.

    Take your anecdotal BS and remember survivors lost families and know what happened. They were humiliated that their families were exterminated and burned.
    You were not there. That is a fact. I am sticking with logic and history. Try and imagine you are on the platform and the last time you saw your mother and or father. You would intuitively know what happened.

    • Replies: @Theodore
    , @Anon
    , @Truth3
    , @annamaria
  937. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Didn’t Hitler catch the last train to Austria via Hungary?
    Better check the train track route. Or find a map.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  938. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Anon

    Your founding myths alone are variously held to be untrue by academics or otherwise better referred to the House of Joseph than Judah. Making your claimed heritage invalid / invented, to include your claimed rights to any land according to the books that you wrote and that had you mythologically taking the land through mass genocide.

    Moreover, you have typical ignorant Jewish arrogance that no one cares for.

    Your Holocaust fairy tale is meant only to prop up Jewish power. The world is exponentially rejecting the lie to reduce its resultant oppression. You are merely here to vainly attempt to preserve both.

    Boy am I glad I ran into you!!! I had no idea what the facts were until know. Thanks for straightening me out. So glad you know the truth. Who would have thought the Jews were not only making up the Holocaust but their whole entire history.

    • Replies: @Giggkes
  939. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    Hey listen If nothing else I get to point out that you are on your what 3rd reading of MK.
    That alone is worth the price of posting!!!

  940. Theodore says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I am not quite sure we will ever get all of the answers. Germany was conquered, so documents were in the hands of the allies, who prosecuted them for “War crimes” – many of the documents are still sealed up. Obviously, the most [allegedly] incriminating documents have been made public, but those which would not fit the “Nazis are pure evil in every way” story-line would not have been.

    Check out:
    The Deportation of Hungarian Jews from May to July 1944
    https://codoh.com/library/document/357/

    [MORE]

    From a document cited there:

    During the reported time from June 26 to July 26, 1944 […gap in text…[37]] average 2,500 Hungarian Jews ready for transportation in the camp in 3 blocks, they stay 3 – 10 days in the camp.

    They were subjected to a thorough medical check-up each during the admission and during the departure and checked for lice. Daily fever- and lice-check ups, lice carrier delousing in in-camp disinfestation plant, clothes and laundry disinfected in steam boilers and impregnated with “lauseto” (German anti-lice agent).

    Those found seriously sick retransferred to BIIf or transferred to another camp.

    On July 1, 1944 admission of 450 juvenile Hungarian Jews from BIId. […]

    Because too many prisoners were housed in the blocks, up to 1000, many had to sleep on the bare concrete floor or on humid earth ground, which consequently caused frequent colds and diarrheas. The youths in “Sonderquarantäne” (special quarantine) in block 12 did not change their underwear for 10 weeks, the Hungarians in block 8 for 8 weeks. Since both groups did not belong to the same camp population, soap could not be distributed to them. Allocation of soap is urgently needed.

    To illustrate the point, that document being quoted above is not even complete: the second page is missing, and the right margin is partially crumbled. What we do know is that this was certainly not a summer camp. Civilians under German control suffered and died, both inside and outside of the concentration camps.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  941. Theodore says:
    @Fran Taubman

    My imaginary person liberated Buchenwald

    But you said “Auschwitz” originally.
    Buchenwald is not claimed to be an “Extermination camp” – and nobody is claimed to have been gassed there. So he is not a “Holocaust witness” because it’s not an extermination camp, nobody claims that.

    You deny the extermination to claim resettlement using the logic of where are the remains.

    Also, because all of the documents support this position.

    If you follow the story it was a long arduous road from home to the camps. Starting with the forced wearing of yellow stars and restrictions on living space and professions. Then there were the ghettos where people were starving in the streets. There is substantial evidence to show this.

    Indeed. I thought I made it explicitly clear at least 5 times that nobody denies this.

    When the Warsaw ghetto was being liquidated and the transports to camps started the Jews knew what their fate would be. It was no secret. There was no resettlement program. They had been beaten down and humiliated for years.

    Incorrect. There was a resettlement program and it was postponed until after the war.
    Please read the actual documents:

    War-time German documents & writings mentioning the “Final Solution”
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12296

    After the selection process, PARTS OF THE FAMILIES were given uniforms and moved to barracks where they lived. The other parts of the family went toward a building with a smoke stack. They were undressed and told they were going to showers. THEY NEVER LEFT THAT BUILDING. They were never seen again. They were never transported anywhere.

    I believe that you want this to be true, but you’re just claiming it harder and harder. I understand that this is an emotional topic, but try to be a bit more rational. Families were separated.
    Anne Frank and her sister were in Auschwitz, they were deported FROM Auschwitz (but were not gassed) to Bergen Belsen. They died of Typhus. Meanwhile, her father stayed at Auschwitz. So what does that mean? We have an example here (easily verifiable, a famous person) who was separated from their family, never to be seen again at Auschwitz… but not murdered in homicidal gas chambers!

    Story after story after story. From survivors to inmates to Germans is the same. They were exterminated and cremated in that facility that they went to.
    They never showed up in the camp for roll call for meals. There is no record of transportation anywhere.

    Once again you’re inventing false anecdotes. You’re just inventing stories. Why do you argue like this?

    Furthermore if the exterminations accounts were not accurate, 2nd or third generations of Germans would have brought down the world with screams of tortured confessions and lies that the Jews were not exterminated that it was a lie, that the gas was used to delouse, and a resettlement program not an extermination program

    Some did, and they were arrested because it is a crime in Germany to say “Auschwitz was a horrible place, many people suffered in died.. but nobody was killed in a homicidal gas chamber there.” A 90 year old grandma is in prison right now for saying it was just a labor camp.

    So if it is illegal to tell the truth, why would someone say it if they have a family to provide for? They wouldn’t!

    The first generation would have told the second generation that it was all a lie. Posthumous vindication would be the rage.

    In many cases they did. but “It was all a lie” is not accurate. 90% of what you understand to be “The Holocaust” is not a lie, it’s true! Please refer to comment #879

    Take your anecdotal BS and remember survivors lost families and know what happened. They were humiliated that their families were exterminated and burned.

    You’re actually the one with anecdotes, cherry picked or just invented in your head. I’m talking about documents and physical evidence.

    I do not have to go very far in this quest to claim victory, because I have more than anecdotes I have the world at large including scientist, survivors, engineers, politicians and the vast scope of history. .

    More than that: You have laws which criminalize telling the truth. That’s more powerful than your fallacious appeal to authority/popularity.

    Yad Vahem has 4.5 million names. I am sticking with that.

    And yet those names include Jewish soldiers of the red army. I didn’t think those people counted!

    You were not there. That is a fact. I am sticking with logic and history. Try and imagine you are on the platform and the last time you saw your mother and or father. You would intuitively know what happened.

    Try and imagine that your people were accused of the most horrible crime in history, and it was not true. Then imagine that if you told the truth about this, you were imprisoned. Try to imagine that. Now, that is reality for many innocent German people!

    Jews suffered immensely and it was not an enjoyable experience. But like the example I provided with Anne Frank, she was not murdered she died from typhus. How many people have the same story as her, they last saw their family at Auschwitz, were deported, and died of typhus? Probably many. And it would be a mistake to say “I last saw ____ at Auschwitz, they must have been gassed!” When actually that was not the case.

    Use your brain. The “Homicidal gas chambers” at Auschwitz are scientifically absurd and impossible as alleged.

    The Rudolf Report: Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects of the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/trr/

  942. Jester says:
    @Jester

    Thank you Larch, that clears these naggling questions in my mind. Now I know for sure the Holohoax was indeed the Holocaust .

    Oh one more thing though. Given full distribution throughout the Reich and its ethnic minorities in the german controlled territories, to its soldiers and other volunteers in the Wehrmacht (and assuming no Joo black market in Joo soap existed) how long would one bar last ? Since I use up one bar of high quality (no I am not being sarcastic) soap a week how long would 6 million bars last.

    You see, while I accept your answer I am having trouble with the math for the 6 million. I guess we would need to know how may people benefited from the distribution, how many times they washed, how long the shower was and whether they washed their armpits and groin. Certainly a worthy exercise for someone with a double PhD in math and quantum physics.

    Oh and yet another question…sorry Larch..but today what with inflation and all that in the past 75 years, I can buy three bars for $1.00 which is .333333333333333333333333333333333333333 cents / bar.

    Assuming inflation at 2.5% a year this means a bar would have SOLD for .00523 c during the war and the cost of production around .003925c a bar. I find it hard to believe the germans would pour so many labour, material and human resources into producing a single bar of soap.

    This whole soap racket sounds “sudsy” to me ! Perhaps it is time we all washed our hands of this affair.

  943. Robjil says:
    @Corvinus

    An Holocaust is being completely consumed with fire.

    https://wn.com/burnt_offerings/news

    A holocaust is a religious animal sacrifice that is completely consumed by fire. The word derives from the Ancient Greek holocaustos (ὁλόκαυστος from ὅλος “whole” and καυστός “burnt”), which is used solely for one of the major forms of sacrifice.

    The US and British fire bomb attacks on civilians in France, Germany, Japan and Italy was a Holocaust. Japan also got two nuclear fire bombs on it civilians, again a Holocaust.

    This concept of attacking civilians to “win” a war is an Torah/Old Testament tactic. It is Amalek fighting. The Torah/Old Testament called for blotting out the memory of Amalek. Amalekites were an enemy tribe in BC Zion fantasy land. The concept of blotting out is what the US and Britain did to the civilians of the Allies. It was a Holocaust and not real fighting tactics at all. Jewish Zionist Advisors at top of Britain and the US pushed for this Torah/Old Testament genocidal tactic to “win” a war.

    https://mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0525.htm

    Deuteronomy 25:19
    י

    Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget. {P}

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Corvinus
  944. Giggkes says:

    Jester wrote :

    Please answer the following questions:
    1. How much soap one can get from a 90 pound Joo ??
    2. How many resources have to be put into the process to get one cake ?
    3. If they were all burnt up how is the making of the soap possible
    4. If these Germans were hard core dudes why would they wash with a bar of Joo soap

    And Larchmonter answered:
    1. Only one cake!
    2. Many, many resources!
    3. It is a miracle!
    4. Deep, deep inside they were Joo lovers!

    I find Jester’s comments/ questions in comment number 962 very curious and most intriguing. He raises more questions about this peroid in history

  945. @Bardon Kaldian

    I’m not sure if you agree or disagree with me, honestly. As I said, my position is that something much like what is nowadays called a “genocide” happened to various categories of European Jews during World war II. However, that core of historical truth has been distorted and sensationalized in a number of respects by special interests that have political, economic or ethnic stakes in the exaggeration of Jewish victimhood on the one hand and German villainy on the other. From some of your turns of phrase, it seems to me that you too are open to such an interpretation.

    The problem with debating this issue is that anyone who challenges any detail of the mythic construct that is called “The Holocaust” is immediately vilified as a “Holocaust denier” by the related plethora of gatekeeper agencies. Even if one otherwise accepts most of its claims as factual. For example, according to the Anti-Defamation League, your comparison of the death tolls of Hitler, Stalin and Mao makes you, too a “Holocaust denier” (since by so doing, you “deny” the historical uniqueness of the Holocaust). Surely you don’t consider yourself one, given your vitriol for those you call by that name. Neither do I.

    Incidentally, why do you hold David Irving in such contempt? Even if you disagree with the more overt “Holocaust denial” he came to indulge in late in his career, that shouldn’t detract from the very real merits of his earlier work. Hitler’s War, for example, is still one of the best books on its topic in any language.

  946. Anon[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I do not have to go very far in this quest to claim victory, because I have more than anecdotes I have the world at large including scientist, survivors, engineers, politicians and the vast scope of history. . Yad Vahem has 4.5 million names. I am sticking with that.

    Take your anecdotal BS and remember survivors lost families and know what happened. They were humiliated that their families were exterminated and burned.
    You were not there. That is a fact. I am sticking with logic and history. Try and imagine you are on the platform and the last time you saw your mother and or father. You would intuitively know what happened.

    If you could claim victory then you wouldn’t be here desperately arguing with a rising tide of protest against oppression of historical and scientific review; rising in light of decades of vast inconsistencies and admitted / uncovered grand lies in regard to the Jewish Power’s Holocaust narrative.

    Your self soothing is obvious, and your assertions are rejected by us. You people are finished, eventually.

    The only hope you ever had was to tell the truth and leave it open to historical review (which it unarguably is not and never has been). Instead, because your narrative is untrue, your group was required to oppress its review. That was your narrative’s death signature. Though, technically, it was the lie itself.

    You have to love how she inevitably reverts to faith, Jewish narratives, appeals to emotion, and bullshit level evidence. Jews have been caught lying about the narrative, even on a grand scale, multitudes of times. Nothing that comes from a Jew is devoid of self interest, and its therefore poor level evidence.

    I have the world at large

    Not a concept, and also poor level evidence given that the so called “world at large” is not variously politically / legally free to question or deny the Holocaust.

    All you are stating is that “most of the world does not wish to incur penalties for going against my narrative”.

    The fact that there are penalties is damning of your propaganda that is trying to pretend like the review environment is open and people agree upon open review. That is not the case.

    Your group is required to oppress review to maintain your narrative. Which means your group is tyrannical around this event that carries so much political power. Tyrants never survive in the long run, and are never truly a part of academia or science that would be required to validate your claimed history in an open review environment..

    including scientist,

    No politically / legally open review = irrelevant

    survivors,

    massive group self interest in upholding a lie = irrelevant
    been caught lying many times over = irrelevant

    engineers,

    No politically / legally open review = irrelevant
    Lots of dissenting engineering arguments that can not be politically / legally reviewed = your appeal to engineers is irrelevant

    politicians

    LOL

    and the vast scope of history

    Not a thing / propaganda soundbite that further identifies your conceptual world as overly-loose and propaganda oriented.

    Though, if you want to make the “vast scope of history” a thing we could refer to the accusations against Jews over the “vast scope of history” that imply quite a track record of Jewish malfeasance against the West.

    Being kicked out of dozens of nations over a millenia is no small feat, and its not even close to approached by any other group. That consistency, alone, damns the Jewish group as a hostile internal nation, validates Germay’s views of Jews, and impugns Jewish credibility for historical claims.

    Then we have claims for Jewish child abduction and sacrifice, for which a Jewish academic wrote a book that validated those claims that was later forced off of the market by Jewish Power.

    Then we have Nobel Prize winning author Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Gulag prisoner, who documented that the Jews were in fact what the Germans accused them of in Russia and what led National Socialism to rise in Germany: leaders of the genocidal Communist Evil. Today, his most recent book is suppressed by Jewish Power from being published in the West due to that fact. Which looks especially bad for Jews given his Nobel Prize (again, tyrannical suppression of speech tends to not work out for the tyrant in the end – as the suppression itself lends an air of guilt).

    Then we have the Jewish texts themselves that call for the destruction of the West and Christianity, in total in a world war with Semitic Islam, so that Israel can be the only World Power standing at the beginning of their Messianic Era that is the entire point of the Jewish religion:.

    https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/1391003/jewish/Daily-Zohar-Vaeira-Day-5.htm

    Translated and annotated by Rahmiel-Hayyim Drizin from the Zohar selection in Hok L’Yisrael

    Based on Zohar Shemot 32A

    The children of Ishmael [i.e. the Arab nations] will cause great wars in the world and the children of Edom will gather against them and wage war against them, one on the sea, one on the dry land, and one near Jerusalem. And they [the children of Edom] will rule over them [the children of Ishmael], but the Holy Land will not be given over to the children of Edom. [The children of Edom is the Christian West, for Edom is Rome (see Num. 24:19, Rashi) and Rome signifies Greece-Rome and the Roman Catholic Church, the foundations of Western Civilization]

    At that time, a nation from the end of the earth will be aroused against evil Rome and wage war against it for three months. Nations will gather there, and [Rome] will fall into their hands, until all the children of Edom will gather against it [that nation] from all the corners of the world. Then G‑d will be roused against them. This is the meaning of: “For G‑d has a sacrifice in Botzrah”. (Isaiah 34:6) And afterwards, it is written: “That it might take hold of the ends of the earth…” (Job 38:13) He will destroy the descendants of Ishmael from the land, and break all the powers of [all the nations’ guardian angels] Above. There will not remain any power of any people on earth, except the power of Israel alone.

    BeRahamim LeHayyim: One cannot ignore the facts. To do so entreats disaster. Read this in terms of the daily news, and substitute Arab nations for Ishmael, and the West and US for Edom.

    All of that is what we could properly identify as the “Vast Scope of History” in regard to Jews.

    Though, personally I wouldn’t be prone to such empty / grandiloquent propaganda soundbites in order to add filler to an emotional outburst, as they can come back to bite you on the ass as yours has done here.

  947. Giggkes says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Linda -you are a nutball. If you are Jewish you must be the exception because if the assertion is right that all Jews are smart the doctor must have dropped you on your head at birth,. You are as dumb as an old shoe sole.

  948. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Agent76

    John Taylor Gatto

    https://www.naturalchild.org/articles/guest/john_gatto.html

    Think of the things that are killing us as a nation – narcotic drugs, brainless competition, recreational sex, the pornography of violence, gambling, alcohol, and the worst pornography of all – lives devoted to buying things, accumulation as a philosophy – all of them are addictions of dependent personalities, and that is what our brand of schooling must inevitably produce.

    I want to tell you what the effect is on children of taking all their time from them – time they need to grow up – and forcing them to spend it on abstractions. You need to hear this, because no reform that doesn’t attack these specific pathologies will be anything more than a facade.

  949. jester says:
    @Rurik

    I am sorry Sir and do apologize.

    I was just asking some simple questions because I had doubts about the production statistics. As Stalin said one bar of soap is a tragedy but 6 million is a statistic. I promise you I will seek absolution from my sins by attending the nearby Synagogue.

    I will ask the Rabbi for forgiveness and leave a bar of Zest soap in memory of the 6 million.

    I hope this placates you

  950. Anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robjil

    The concept of blotting out is what the US and Britain did to the civilians of the Allies

    Assume you meant Axis powers.

    Although the Allied forces also treated other Allies, such as France and Italy, as Amalek.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  951. @Fran Taubman

    Every commissar in Soviet army on each level up to the rank of general was a Jew. Commanders made battle decisions and commissars did make a political decisions. Simple conclusion from this is that all reports from liberated concentration camps by Soviet Army were automatically biased with Jewish propaganda. So they are totally unreliable.

  952. Anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    Eureka! (it’s what happens to people who do not use soap in armpits & groin).

    Thanks to the fundamental decency of Rurik in upbraiding (or French-braiding) jester for blowing bubbles about suffering soap, the answer to Linda’s plaintive plea is coming into view:

    They were made into steel-wool scrubbing pads.

    Remember the advert:

    Loaded with soap
    Loaded with soap
    New
    **Blue**
    SOS
    Is loaded with soap!

    “Where are the missing Jews?”

    –> on your grocer’s shelves, packaged 18 to a carton. Use a coupon and 5 cents of each purchase goes toward the Campaign to Combat the Proliferation of Brillo.

    ** Prussian blue? Star of David Blue? Blue-eyed Aryans, like ‘dolf? Betsy Ross blue?

  953. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Fran Linda Taubman Rice’s Father and best friend liberated both Auschwitz and Buchenwald…

    Then, when told of the obvious impossibility of it, she needed to hunt down a replacement anecdote.

    Enough already you stupid fraud.

    Whatever they are paying you (((shekels))) sure ain’t a good investment.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Fran Taubman
  954. @annamaria

    What would be your suggestion? How else the collaboration between the Kagans’ clan and Pravyi sector can be characterized apart from calling it the collaboration of zionists with the self-proclaimed neo-Nazis?

    US and Israeli run proxies to annoy the Kremlin? They certainly have no problem to draft some angry Ukrainians. The result is, the Kremlin and Washington hurl “nazi” at each other, which is the height of absurdity and ridiculousness.
    Since Russia has not yet come clean with history, sending false flag “nazis” is surely effective.

    See my earlier comment on magic spells, “nazi” is just another one, as is “fascist”.
    You can only fully understand the Jews if you think in terms of magic, because the main control is implemented by language. In order to do away with the control, the magic spells have to be broken. These spells aim at consciousness, “nazi” build in the mind of the brainwashed an image of “holocaust”. The spells must be deconstructed.

  955. Robjil says:
    @Anonymous

    Yes, I did. Sorry about that. Thanks for seeing that.

    As Schumer said ” We have the Torah and the Palestinians don’t”. The “Palestinians” these days are all of us non-Jews.

    Schumer surely likes Amalek fighting since it is in the Torah.

    Pelosi- said “If the capitol crumbles, the one thing that we will do is support Israel”.

    This happened already on nine eleven, WTC crumbles and Pentagon crumbled on one side. Even though Israel did it with the US Jewish and non-Jewish Zionists, the first thing we did was support Israel in wars in the Middle East – Seven Nations to destroy for Yahweh’s Israel – Deuteronomy 7.1-2.

  956. @Truth3

    Whatever they are paying you (((shekels))) sure ain’t a good investment.

    Fun fact, the Jews are very much into AI. The AI determined the “holocaust” is a lie, ie the AI was working properly.
    What did the Jews do? They lobotomized the AI.

  957. Anastasia says:

    It is beyond the absurd to believe even after less than 3 minutes of quiet rEflecton that Hitler ordered the en made killing of Jews with an insecticide. That people can actually believe this hogwash is downright scaryis that their minds can be captured so easily

    • Replies: @FLgeezer
  958. Corvinus says:
    @Robjil

    “The US and British fire bomb attacks on civilians in France, Germany, Japan and Italy was a Holocaust. Japan also got two nuclear fire bombs on it civilians, again a Holocaust.”

    No, you are purposely misapplying a term here. There was no “religious animal sacrifice” here. The civilians of those places had agency–at any point in time, they could have demanded that their leaders and military engage in peace negotiations. Everyone understood the risks involved in engaging in war. Furthermore, you are rendering the term moot because all participant nations using your “logic”, engaged in “Holocaust activity”.

    “This concept of attacking civilians to “win” a war is an Torah/Old Testament tactic.”

    No, it is a tactic employed by humanity and the leaders of nations, including Jews. You are purposely engaging in deception here.

    “Jewish Zionist Advisors at top of Britain and the US pushed for this Torah/Old Testament genocidal tactic to “win” a war.”

    Actually, it was American and British advisors who sought strategies to win a war, which inevitably meant that civilians would endure casualties, like most wars, especially those on a grand scale. Again, more purposeful deception on your part.

  959. @Corvinus

    Actually, it was American and British advisors who sought strategies to win a war, which inevitably meant that civilians would endure casualties,

    You mean like Churchill’s jewish science advisor Frederick Lindemann, who came up with the plan to deliberately cause firestorms in worker quarters by dropping incendiary bombs on cities and towns with more than 50000 population?

    Or do you mean the 90% jewish Soviet leadership? Or do you mean the jew Roosevelt and his communist buddies with jewish mob connections such as Meyer Lansky?

    Listen, you Jews cannot escape your own deeds for all eternity.

    Perhaps someone should drop incendiary bombs on jewish towns to win this war against the enemy of humanity?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Wizard of Oz
  960. FLgeezer says:
    @Anastasia

    > scary is that their minds can be captured so easily.

    On the contrary Anastasia it is hard work and TPTB are are busily standardizing and perfecting their techniques. Save enough to send your kids to private school.
    ——————————————————
    Holocaust education is a giant jumble
    Many Palm Beach County high school students have participated in the March of the Living, in which teens travel with Holocaust survivors to Poland and Israel. ( JANEK SKARZYNSKI/Getty)
    By Lois K. Solomon
    Florida requires schools to teach children about the Holocaust, but it’s OK if two students learn vastly different lessons.
    The state leaves is up to school principals to decide how to teach about one of history’s worst atrocities, which leaves a patchwork of approaches around the state.
    The issue gained new urgency after William Latson, principal of Spanish River High School in Boca Raton, told a parent he couldn’t say if the Holocaust really happened . The comments sparked an outcry in the community, and the School Board will decide next week whether to renew Latson’s contract.
    Last week, state Education Commissioner Richard Corcoran ordered a detailed report about Holocaust education in Palm Beach County. In a letter to Schools Superintendent Donald Fennoy, Corcoran said: “Reported comments and communications by Principal William Latson … and speculation on the part of Principal Latson as to whether or not the Holocaust actually took place are outrageous and unacceptable and cause me to seriously question the integrity of the principal and the school’s programs intended to educate students on the Holocaust and Jewish history in general.”
    The district said staffers are responding to the state’s order.
    “The School District of Palm Beach County provides an extensive Holocaust curriculum and is currently working with community partners to further expand our range of resources,” spokeswoman Claudia Shea said.
    Palm Beach County has one of the more active Holocaust curriculum plans, with grade-level assemblies and more elective classes offered than most other counties in the state, said Linda Medvin, director of Florida Atlantic University’s Center for Holocaust and Human Rights Education, which works closely with Florida teachers on how to teach the lessons.
    But across the school district and the state, there’s little funding for Holocaust education and it’s up to principals to implement as they see fit, even though the state has required it since 1994.
    That’s left an enormous assortment of approaches, enthusiasm levels and curriculum gaps as teachers with an interest in the subject find a way to incorporate it, and those with less passion concentrate on other topics. At most schools, no one in an official capacity is monitoring quality of lessons or quantity.
    “There is no Holocaust police,” Medvin said. “So many other things get thrown at teachers, and many of the teachers never learned it when they were in school. The push has to come from the school district, and then it has to come from the principal.”
    Through optional training offered by school districts and nonprofits, South Florida teachers learn ways to infuse Holocaust studies into almost any class, including civics, math, literature and physical education. In science, they can learn about Hitler’s abuse of genetics to promote his racial theories. In physical education, students can learn how many calories are essential for living and how Europeans sent to concentration camps were starved.
    Younger students learn more subtle lessons. In kindergarten to third grade, Holocaust studies could include instruction in being a good neighbor and citizen and standing up to bullies, said Tom Albano, a diversity coordinator for Broward schools.
    For the first time this year, Broward schools will have an “equity liaison” at each school, a staffer who for an extra stipend monitors how Holocaust education and other state requirements are reaching students in the classroom. Principals, who are in charge of instruction at their schools, will have to sign off on the liaison’s reports three times a year, Albano said.
    Students in Broward, Miami-Dade and Palm Beach counties can take a semester-long elective on the Holocaust that examines Hitler’s rise to power, World War II and the effects of the annihilation on events today. Many schools invite local survivors of concentration camps to share their stories with students in grade-level assemblies. And teachers are offered training throughout the year in how to infuse the topic into their lesson plans.
    Miriam Klein Kassenoff, a Holocaust curriculum support specialist for Miami-Dade schools whose family fled the Nazis in 1941, said the Spanish River incident shows that principals need Holocaust studies training similar to what teachers are asked to take.
    “It’s being taught very widely and very well,” Kassenoff said. “It’s time to train the administrative staff, too, about where it fits into the curriculum and how to address these issues,” such as the approach administrators should take when challenged about the curriculum.
    Still, it often falls to teachers to take the initiative and decide how to impart the lessons of the tragedy. Debbi Rosenblum, a teacher at Palm Beach County’s West Boca High, said she was deeply affected by the Spanish River incident and wants to figure out ways to incorporate Holocaust studies into her English classes in the coming year.
    “The year is so full, it’s hard to get to everything,” Rosenblum said. “I’m going to take a closer look, though, and see where I can put it in.”

  961. @Corvinus

    Can we just say that millions of Jews died at the hands of Nazis?

    Sorry, we can’t. It’s the law. Gotta be six million. If you don’t agree with the law, vote for it to change. Until then, it’s six million, no less.

  962. annamaria says:
    @Corvinus

    You talk with the reassurance of a KGB representative. Do you have any relatives who belonged to Soviet secret police and who live currently in Israel? Only the KGB officials knew the specific details of the situation at the concentration camps.

    For instance, the mega-criminal Naftali Frenkel has an idiotic Israeli progeny who became embroiled in a knifing accident in Moscow (the Israeli attacked T. Felgenhauer, a Jewish anchor of a popular radio program). The presstitutes immediately cried “bad Putin” but the culprit was an Israeli and hence the story was swiftly hashed. https://thesaker.is/bloody-monday-grandnephew-of-gulag-organizer-stabbed-the-echo-of-moscow-editor/

    Following the stabbing, the liberals in Russia used the social media to express their outrage with the government of Russia and blaming the government for the “murder of a journalist” Tanya Fengelgauer, a Deputy Chief Editor of the radio Echo of Moscow. …

    Other, not injured in the attack, journalists of the Echo of Moscow, made multiple statements that this was the “Kristallnacht” event… “It was the attack of the Russian Nazis.” It was “pogrom,” they claimed.

    The attacker was captured by the Police and apprehended. He was a citizen of Israel Boris Grits, a grandnephew of an inventor and first commissar of the death camps in Russia called GULAG Naftaly Aronovich Frenkel.

    “Gulags – Frenkel’s “efficiency” system:” https://tarbaby.wordpress.com/2017/07/22/gulags-frenkels-efficiency-system/

    Naftaly Aronovich Frenkel was born in Haifa (back then part of the Ottoman Empire; now part of Israel) in 1883, and died in 1960 in Moscow at age 77. He was a Jewish businessman and member of the Soviet secret police.

    Frenkel is best known for his role in the organisation of work in the Gulag, starting from the forced labor camp of the Solovetsky Islands, which is recognised as one of the earliest sites of the Gulag. One of Frenkel’s innovations in the labor camps is the “you-eat-as-you-work” system or the “nourishment scale”. This system resulted in a high death toll in the camps.

    Unlike your embellished pronouncements about German concentration camps, the murderous activities of Frankel, Berman, Kun, Zalkind, Kaganovich, et al are well documented.

  963. Theodore says:
    @Corvinus

    The facts you listed are outright denied or significantly downplayed by deniers.

    This is incorrect. Which actual published “Denier” denies anything I wrote? Be specific. Name names.
    As for “Downplayed” you mean they don’t harp on about it as much as you want them to. Big difference

    If you believe the Final Solution was a real policy, then that lends credibility here.

    Every single published Holocaust “Denier” accepts that it was. Maybe a few people on the internet think that it isn’t. There are “Holocaust believers” that also believe all sorts of absurd things. We’re talking about people that actually published books on the subject. Every Holocaust revisionist acknowledges the “Final Solution” was real. The documents are explicit and support their position.

    Furthermore, there has been significant documentation indicating that this plan was developed and executed by Nazi leaders.

    Indeed, and every document on the “Final Solution” confirms it was not a policy of extermination.

    War-time German documents & writings mentioning the “Final Solution”
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12296

    It cannot be attributed to a single decision made at one particular point in time; the decision making process was prolonged and incremental, and decisions made by the German High Command clearly show that ultimately the extermination of Jews was a culmination of their efforts.
    There was deliberate mass murder of Jews.

    There is actually no proof for this, it is totally contradicted by the documents mentioning the “Final Solution” and also the physical evidence which would necessarily exist.

    Debatable.

    What is there to debate?
    Here is the Rudolf Report, demolishing the “Auschwitz gas chamber” lies:
    http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/trr/

    Please quote one, just ONE instance of “Antisemitism” in this report. He was thrown in a prison cell (extradited from his marriage in the USA to Germany) for writing this report. There is no “Antisemitism” or “hate” in it.
    It’s not “debatable” it is a fact. Certainly, some “Holocaust deniers” hate Jews. Some Holocaust believers hate Jews and say “I wish Hitler finished the job!” Some “Holocaust deniers” are Jews. Linking “Denial” to anti-semitism is deceptive, dishonest, and just plain wrong.

    There have been excavations. It is an interesting question, although not surprising, as to why Holocaust deniers were not part of the process.

    It may be an interesting question, but the answer is quote obvious. The excavation has been discussed here already.

    See comments:
    #953 , #606 , #955

    Also:
    [Video] Treblinka Archaeology Hoax: https://archive.org/details/TheTreblinkaArchaeologyHoax

    This is supposed to hold the remains 870,000 people, according to Sturdy-Colls:

    This is in contrast to the “Wiernik model” who claims they were enormous rectangular ditches, not random splotches:

    This is the approximate volume of the cremains of 400-500 people:

    And now, at Treblinka, Jews were supposedly burned in huge open-air pyres (without the use of fuel according to some) which would necessarily result in far more burnt remains than 400-500 per cubic meter. And they are allegedly buried in exactly known locations. “Deniers” are prevented from confirming this fact. It could be proven in just a couple days, but they don’t. Why?

    Please provide evidence that even 1/10th of 1% of the alleged ‘870,000 Jews’ buried in supposedly exactly known locations at Treblinka are, in fact, buried there.

    $100,000 reward here: http://www.nafcash.com/

    I want the graves to be there, so I can claim the reward above. Please prove they exist in the exactly known locations claimed.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  964. @Robjil

    Good one, Robjil! I even had to look some of them up.

  965. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    No, you are purposely misapplying a term here. There was no “religious animal sacrifice” here.

    Are. you saying that Jewish people are animals?

  966. annamaria says:
    @Robjil

    “Jewish culture did very bad deeds in the past and continues to do bad deeds. Hiding these bad deeds, allows Jewish culture to do bad deeds on a massive scale in our world in our time with impunity.”
    — True.
    The younger generation of Jews is abandoning the tribal culture of hatred and exclusiveness.
    Truth comes to light and it hurts badly.

    “As Israel turns 70, many young American Jews turn away:” https://theconversation.com/as-israel-turns-70-many-young-american-jews-turn-away-95271

    “Not Just Millennials: These Older U.S. Jews Are Disillusioned by Israel Too:” https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-not-just-millennials-these-older-u-s-jews-are-disillusioned-by-israel-too-1.6491420

  967. Robjil says:
    @Corvinus

    Civilians should not be attacked in wars. period. It is wrong no matter who does it.

    Amalek (attacking civilians) war tactics is genocide and not warfare. .

    • Agree: annamaria
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  968. renfro says:

    TIME TO END THIS THREAD WITH THE RECONIZATION THAT THE JEWS ARE THE MONESTERS THAT THEY ACCUSE THE NAZIS OF BEING.

    And we don’t need to go back in history to prove it . We can see it everyday in the ‘holocaust’ they have been carrying out in Palestine for 55 years. Its being recorded and photographed every day and will be their history forever more that they cant cover up or refute.

    This is all that needs to said about the Jews. …they are what they are and don’t deserve a moment of our wasted breath on them….only our contempt, shunning and commitment to rid the world of their sickness.

    ”The protest dispersed. Then an Israeli sniper shot a 9-year-old Palestinian boy in the head. He was nowhere near the demonstrators and now he’s in a coma ”

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-the-protest-dispersed-then-an-israeli-sniper-shot-a-9-year-old-boy-in-the-head-1.7542674 … @gideonle

    • Agree: Malla
  969. turtle says:
    @renfro

    Ah, eternal and selective victimhood.
    From two of your citations:
    https://www.apnews.com/a96444a4f11a44b0907ef610dd6121f5

    The Nazis’ seizure of Jewish-owned property in Poland during the war and the murder of most of Poland’s Jewish population was followed after the war by the Communist state’s seizure of large amounts of property that was nationalized. Most of the original owners of that property were not Jewish. [and we haven’t even talked about the polish Catholics who were murdered by the Nazis during the war]
    “This position of the (U.S.) Congress is not good because it wants some privileges for the Jews, for the Jewish community, but not for the Poles.”
    “Their property here remains without any settlement and nobody speaks on their behalf, only on the behalf of the Jews. That is not good because that divides our society,”

    I hope the Poles stick to their guns, and don’t cave in to these demands.

    https://www.haaretz.com/1.4952800

    “In our house it was forbidden to exhibit pain or say that you are sad. My father taught us not to show people how we feel, that it is forbidden to show people you are hurt, or that things are hard for you.”

    Mine, too. It’s called, “Suck it up and play. Big boys don’t cry.”

    I am 4th generation German-American on both sides of my family.
    Should I go whining to the German government about my “strict German upbringing?”
    Nope. Big boys don’t cry. We suck it up and play.
    And we play to win.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  970. annamaria says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Linda, you seem as trying to capitalize on the WWII stories to prove the “special Jewish victimhood” and “special Jewish morality.” Kind of too late. — After the Jewish bandits did Nakba (the famous Jewish gangsters in Palestine proudly proclaimed themselves “terrorists”), murdered Palestinian children in thousands, built Jewish “Museum of Tolerance” on the sacred graves of Palestinians and Christians, and implemented the profitable extracting schema of holo-biz, your attempts will never succeed. Zionists are murderers, liars, and thieves. https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2015/09/24/jewish-terrorists/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_political_violence

    If you still want to talk about crimes against humanity, there is an abundance of information about Jewish Bolsheviks and their enormous crimes. One of them was Naftali Frenkel, the main organizer of concentration camps where the best of Russia — scientists, military officers, priests, poets, members of nobility — were murdered on an industrial scale, by the millions. Among the 12 directors of the camps, 11 were Jews.

    Moreover, it is rather indecent to insist on the “special Jewish victimhood” when the Middle East has been experiencing a mass slaughter caused by the Wars for Israel (see Oded Yinon Plan, PNAC, and the despicable warmongering of Israel-firsters). The populations of Iraq, Libya, and Syria have been victimized by the wars of aggression that were designed and pushed by zionists. Currently, zionists demand another war, this time against Iran that presents no danger to either the US or Europe.

    And one more time, if you try to show a quest for justice, you should first address the Jewish State’s ongoing support for neo-Nazism.

    https://972mag.com/israel-arms-exports-neo-nazis-ukraine/141942/
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727
    https://therealnews.com/stories/israel-is-arming-ukraines-blatantly-neo-nazi-militia-the-azov-battalion

  971. annamaria says:

    A comment on the zionists’ pushing for a war with Iran: https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2019/07/will-donald-trump-kill-his-presidency-over-iran-by-larry-c-johnson.html

    Should Iran be attacked imo you can kiss the UAE goodbye as well as most if not all of the Saudi oil infrastructure along the Gulf. I would also expect a massive direct bombardment of Israeli cities and other important targets from Hezbollah starting with the massive ammonia storage system in Haifa whose destruction would annihilate that entire region. All of useful Israel is in the middle to the upper third of the country closest to Lebanon and easy reach for all of Hezbollah missiles.

    The Persian gulf upon the start of the war becomes the hotel California for any warship within; none would likely escape. And the coup de gra for Iran is whether they have the ballistic missile reach and or can gain access to Russian long range bombers fitted with Kalibr or better cruise missiles able to smash Diego Garcia – absolutely critical American real estate in the Indian ocean.

    Trump imo is not crazy and can read a map as well as anyone with help from his REAL pentagon military professionals. We have not even gotten to what happens to all those oil and interest rate derivatives far out of the money right now in somewhat normal times. If war starts they go from notional to real fast and the western financial system implodes even with a force majeure declaration

  972. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Truth3

    I meant Buchenwald cut out the crap.

  973. @renfro

    I did figure it out finally all.
    Starting with Victoria Nuland ” fuck the Europe”
    Putch in Ukraine was the most important thing. (Back-up plan,)
    Jews are getting ready for collapse of US.
    So when it will happen, they will all move to Ukraine.
    Than later they will all sneak back to Russia.

    • Replies: @Anon
  974. turtle says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Thanks for the link. I’ve saved it – worth quoting.
    E.g.:

    The air command’s public and academic allies united to arrest my appointment to a Harvard professorship and succeeded in doing so for a year.

    It wasn’t even as though they were told “in 15 minutes we are going to explode several large bombs in this general vicinity.

    Well, I don’t believe the Vietnamese were given any warning before napalm was dropped on their heads by the USAF.
    Nor were the Japanese warned to evacuate Hiroshima or Nagasaki, AFAIK. There was talk of dropping a-bombs on unpopulated areas as a demonstration, but this was vetoed.
    (Whether that decision was correct, or unavoidable, is a different topic, which I shall not discuss in this post.)
    For that matter, German air assault on Great Britain took three forms:
    A. Manned bombers, for which the Brits had radar as an early warning.
    B. V-1 “buzz bomb” which were subsonic. They could be heard approaching, giving at least some possibility of taking cover.
    C. V-2 rockets, which were supersonic. Meaning the “screaming across the sky” only arrived after the warhead had exploded. No warning at all to those on the ground.
    Are you saying you believe methods A & B were more “humane?” You are entitled to your opinion, of course, and I can see your point, but to me, I see no real distinction. Dead is dead, and all of the above were forms of aggression against innocent non-combatants.

    I used Carthage as a well known example of ancient butchery (Carthage delenda est), but I beleive if you delve into ancient Hebrew text (the so-called “Old Testament”) you will find accounts of indiscriminate slaughter of men, women, and children following military victories. No one group has a monopoly on such behavior.

    Back to Galbraith:

    Civilisation has made great strides over the centuries in science, healthcare, the arts and most, if not all, economic well-being. But it has also given a privileged position to the development of weapons and the threat and reality of war. Mass slaughter has become the ultimate civilised achievement.

    The facts of war are inescapable – death and random cruelty, suspension of civilised values, a disordered aftermath. Thus the human condition and prospect as now supremely evident. The economic and social problems here described can, with thought and action, be addressed. So they have already been. War remains the decisive human failure.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  975. @Fran Taubman

    I meant Buchenwald cut out the crap.

    Huh?

    In a letter published in a January issue of The Stars and Stripes, a newspaper for US military service personnel, Simon Wiesenthal re-confirmed, in passing, that “there were no extermination camps on German soil” during the Second World War. He made the identical statement in a letter published in the April 1975 issue of the British periodical Books and Bookmen.

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n3p-9_Staff.html

    Is liar Wiesenthal a “denier” himself?
    He would go to jail in occupied Germany for 3.5 years minimum of that statement.

  976. Theodore says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I meant Buchenwald cut out the crap.

    Buchenwald was not an “Extermination camp”
    Buchenwald was not a “death camp”
    No Jew was gassed at Buchenwald

    What was he an “Eyewitness” of? Starving, emaciated prisoners. Piles of corpses. That’s what he saw. And “Holocaust deniers” do not claim such things were not real. It doesn’t “Prove the Holocaust” it does not “refute the deniers” at all.

    Buchenwald is notorious for allegations of production of human skin artifacts (such as lampshades) and shrunken human heads from prisoners. Such artifacts and heads were introduced as evidence during the IMT, but later disappeared without a trace, except for some photographs.

    Buchenwald was also the camp where French Communist Paul Rassinier was imprisoned. After the war, he became “The Father of Holocaust Revisionism” due to the exaggerated claims of what occurred at the camp. Yes, the first “Holocaust denier” was a former prisoner of Buchenwald outraged about the lies and propaganda disseminated about that camp.

    From: http://vho.org/tr/2002/1/tr09denyhist.html
    “[The] U.S. Army intelligence report of April 24, 1945, noted that a large number of the atrocities and murders [at Buchenwald] were actually committed by Communist prisoners who were interned in the camp, while many other atrocities and murders were committed during Soviet-Communist control of the camp.”

    I am not saying people at Buchenwald didn’t suffer. They really did, but the people were not systematically murdered by the nazis. The story of Buchenwald and all the misery that was there proves the “Holocaust deniers” correct. The majority of people who died at Buchenwald died of disease in the last few months of the war. Also, they were for the most part gentiles, not Jews.

    [MORE]

    According to an information booklet from the Buchenwald Memorial Site, records kept by the camp secretary show the number of deaths each year in Buchenwald, as follows:

    1937 – 48

    1938 – 771

    1939 – 1235

    1940 – 1772

    1941 – 1522

    1942 – 2898

    1943 – 3516

    1944 – 8644

    January to March 1945 – 13,056

    March to April 11, 1945 – 913

    Total 34,375

    The horrendous death toll during the first two months of 1945 was due to a typhus epidemic in the camp. During the same time period, there were also severe epidemics in all the other major concentration camps in Germany.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  977. chris says:
    @Rurik

    excellent responses, one and all, Rurik !!!

    • Replies: @Rurik
  978. anon[112] • Disclaimer says:

    I meant Buchenwald cut out the crap.

    ROFL! Yeah, except that “Buchenwald” wasn’t one of the six alleged “extermination” camps, you lying jew shill, so eat shit and die you stupid jew cunt.

  979. Wally says:
    @renfro

    A prime factor in Jews / Zionists contriving the fake “holocaust” horseshit was / is to enable projection of their horrific characteristics falsely onto others.

    All debates with Jews end up in their Auschwitz Fantasy Theme Park.

    Writer Paul Craig Roberts put it succinctly:

    “Zionists created the trick or deception of elevating themselves above criticism by accusing critics of being “anti-semites” who intend harm to Jews.”
    from:
    Who Precisely Are “the Vulnerable”?
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2019/07/paul-craig-roberts/who-precisely-are-the-vulnerable/

  980. Robjil says:
    @turtle

    Poland gave the Ashkenazis a large space to develop its culture. Without Poland, Ashkenazi culture would not exist. Poland will not fall for any guilt to pay Ashkenazis for WWII. Ashkenazis should give money to Poland for giving Ashkenazis a long time space to develop their culture. Poland will never fall for any guilt since it did so much to help develop Ashkenazi culture for centuries.

    https://www.polin.pl/en/wystawy-wystawa-glowna-galerie/paradisus-iudaeorum

    The year 1569 saw the emergence of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, made up of the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Within this powerful and ethnically and religiously diverse state, the Jewish community grew strong in numbers, and its culture flourished. It was a Golden Age in the history of Polish Jews, lasting from the sixteenth to the first half of the seventeenth century.

    During this period Jews enjoyed a high degree of autonomy: they had their own self-government, including the Council of Four Lands (Vaad Arba Aratsot) – a phenomenon unique in Europe. Unlike in other countries, they experienced no mass religious persecution. On the contrary – they could develop their learning, print books, and sometimes even debate with Christian intellectuals. It is precisely at this time that prominent authorities on Jewish religious law lived and wrote. In the town of Kazimierz near Krakow, at the very heart of an influential Jewish community, the famous rabbi and thinker Moses Isserles, known as Remuh, wrote the Mappah, a collection of customs and religious precepts for Ashkenazi Jews. The second half of the sixteenth century brought yet another change: encouraged by the nobility, Jews began to settle on vast noble estates (latifundia) in the east of the country. They engaged in new activities: leasing inns, mills and breweries, trading in grain and cattle.

  981. annamaria says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “I meant Buchenwald cut out the crap.”
    — Oh the ever whining Israelis and the vulgarity and pedestrian aggressiveness of their behavior, the veritable mark of Israeli upbringing.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  982. Rich says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    What White Americans did to Red Indians? You’re joking, right? You know “Dances With Wolves” was fiction, right? Whites and Reds fought at times, and worked together at times. Most tribes that were friendly, did well. The Cherokee may have had an argument, but in the end, it was only 16,000 who were forced off their land. Apaches, Lakota, Comanche and many others were known for killing, torturing raping and enslaving Whites they found on open land. Had they acted peacefully, the US Army would have had no reason to attack them. It’s been estimated that the whole of the Continental US held only One Million Red Indians at the time of Columbus’ arrival in the New World. Today their are 5.2 million, with many others having an Indian ancestor back in the wood pile somewhere.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @turtle
  983. turtle says:

    due to a typhus epidemic

    Not to mention

    LACK OF FOOD

    .
    The entire country had disintegrated, due to the war.
    We’ve all seen the pictures, and read the accounts, of emaciated prisoners who were too far gone to save. They saw their captors vanquished, only to die shortly thereafter of starvation, because normal feeding would have caused their deaths. As is well known, the Americans who liberated Dachau were so shocked by what they saw, they lined up about 50 camp guards (SS) against a wall and shot them on the spot.
    Can’t say I blame the GIs. The photos are horrific. But were the guards intentionally starving the prisoners (about 10% of whom were Jewish, according to what I have read)? I do not believe that is accurate. Food was in very short supply. The average German civilian was no getting enough to eat.
    Being as how there was a war still on (which, mercifully, ended a short time later), the disposition of resources likely would have been:
    1. Military
    2a. Civilians engaged in war effort
    2b. Civilians not engaged in war effort
    3. Those incarcerated, whether political or criminal prisoners

    The Wehrmacht was incapable of supplying the needs of its own troops, at least on the Eastern front.
    Not surprising the “leftovers” for those the regime considered undesirable were slim to non-existent.

    The death toll for Buchenwald, given above for first quarter 1945, if annualized, yields:
    1943 – 3516
    1944 – 8644
    1945 – (4)(13,056) = 52,224
    In other words, had the war continued (which it mercifully did not) we could expect the death toll for the year 1945 to be just over 5 times the figure for 1943.
    I do not know how many of these victims were Jewish.
    But I believe all of their lives were valuable to someone (or to God, if you believe in Him – I am a non-believer).

    • Agree: Ilyana_Rozumova
    • Replies: @turtle
  984. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @Germanicus

    Churchill had an amazing intellect

    I have seen that YT clip where Irving goes into Churchill’s second rate counterfeit paintings and how Roosevelt discovered it and used it as blackmail. He was a plagiarist, a drunkard and a phony, and clearly a murderer too. Sikorsky comes immediately to mind.

    With these latest Epstein revelations we can chart a pretty straight line back through history of major players being compromised and blackmailed. Wilson clearly was under House’s thumb. FDR under Morgentau and Brandies. Obama under Jarret. Trump under Kushner.

    Churchill was not only phony and a puppet, he was crypto.

    The real question remaining is was Hitler one too.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @anonymous
  985. @annamaria

    I just finished listening to this very interesting talk.



    Video Link

    The brave Israeli Jew basically says something very similar to what I say, that Israel’s policy is shaped by the leftist internationalist Jews.
    It confirms the power struggle between leftist and right wing Jews.

  986. Fran Taubman [AKA "Linda Rice"] says:
    @Theodore

    I never claimed that Buchenwald was a gassing camp, I gave a testimony of a friend of my fathers who liberated it and witnessed the suffering. You say the deniers do not deny suffering or deaths. Well there is a wide range of deniers as their are exaggerations of survivors.

    My only point through out my posts and I continue to emphasize is the fact that people were shipped to death camps at and were separated from their families, on the train platform never to be seen again.
    It is my only point.
    These people show photos of their families that are missing. They know when they last saw them. They never came out of those showers. They could never locate them.
    These I believe to be true, and are cooperated enough by non Jews, liberators, and Germans.
    You cannot not exaggerate or lie the entirety of the 400,000 Hungarian Jews most of which disappeared.
    Lost of documentation of them arriving and never leaving, and no Typhoid did not kill them.
    They were never seen again after entering.
    It is my only point. I claim nothing other then that. Disappearing people. Like UFO’s to you.

    • Replies: @Truth3
    , @Theodore
    , @Truth3
  987. @Cowboy

    The real question remaining is was Hitler one too.

    I don’t think so, you might want to look up Hitler biographer Werner Maser.

    There was treason, the Strasser brothers come to mind, or Admiral Canaris.

  988. @Linda Rice

    on the train platform

    Tell me, why didn’t the Germans use these industrial gas chambers that could host entire trains they had available? Were the Germans too stupid to do it properly, leaving 6 million “survivors” paid compensation up to 2019? Were the germans incompetent?
    See comment #176
    “Vacuum train gassing installation” reads the description.

    I can assure you, if Germans had an extermination plan, there would be no Jew left.

  989. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Fran Linda Taubman Rice sock-puppet, you are such a liar, and such an idiot, that your repeated attempts to twist and spin only add to the Israeli National Debt, a few shekels at a time.

    Give it up already. Earn an honest living, and do charity work in your spare time, like working in a Gaza Hospital as a bedpan washer, for all those invalided Palestinians shot by your IDF criminals.

    • Agree: annamaria
  990. Anon[171] • Disclaimer says:

    The Holocaust is Blood Libel

    that psychopaths without the minds for making good arguments like Linda Rice try to keep alive by appealing to emotion with fictional stories.

  991. @Rich

    Well I’ll pit my gross ignorance against yours because I have for years been one of those who point out that disease was tthe great killer. I might have added losses in wartime of soldiers to that particular suite of explanations but it was enough to handle the “Guns, Germs and Steel” stuff which was basically about what sophisticated competitively evolved Eurasian germs achieved in the Americas and Australasia. Smallpox was particularly effective in openinf up the land for aspiring Europeans. Come to think of it, all those Red Injuns with horses had to be survivor beneficiaries of the earliest post Columbian incursions. They just didn’t have the institutions which the Japanese has to take advantage of the new stuff. Anyway….

    Let me call out your 1 million with this found by asking Google the obvious:

    “Research by some scholars provides population estimates of the pre-contact Americas to be as high as 112 million in 1492, while others estimate the population to have been as low as eight million. In any case, the native population declined to less than six million by 1650”.

    However, if you want to be friends let’s just say that the 1860s to Wounded Knee cullings of the recalcitrantly ethnocentric indigenes flowed from motives and attitudes no less primitive and savage than those of a 90 IQ Hitlerjugend alumnus because of the Amerind genes that had slipped into the heros of the Manifest Destiny saga.

    • Replies: @Rich
  992. Anon[171] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Which would make sense in parallel with the Jewish campaign to undermine the morality of the United States, so as to be able to explain away and condemn the US after its collapse as having become too immoral under the umbrella of their “god” to survive.

  993. Anon[694] • Disclaimer says:

    Judaism is an ancient international mafia that formalized their material goals by creating a religion around them.

  994. @turtle

    I wonder if we should open another bottle. I think we are having trouble getting up a proper argument. I suspect I should be following up my line of argument by pointing to the kinds of killing which are more compatible with a wicked racist ethnic elimination intent than is area bombing that has known primary objectives other than unfavourable ethnic discrimination. Then we could get down to some really nice discriminations. E.g. MyLai wasn’t about attempting a mini Holocaust: it merely helped that the perpetrators felt no human empathy for the Gooks.

    • Replies: @turtle
  995. @mcohen

    Doe “rightful owners” include unrelated group A that we suppose he deceased owners would have preferred to unrelated group B? And what allowance should be made for inheritance taxes that would have been payable by now on family property?

  996. Rich says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Leftists have been raising the number ever since they took over the Academy, but if you find a history book written before the Bolsheviks took over, the number was 1 to 1,5 million before Columbus. A couple of years ago I read one of these “New Age” historians who said 60 million, which was way higher than previous numbers. Now it’s up to 112 million? I’m not sure how old you are, but check it in 15-20 years, if you’re still around, it’ll probably be 500 million by then.

  997. @SolontoCroesus

    I suppose I said potential as muchbas anything to indicate that it involved a choice in so far as one has a choice of values. And I would have made all sorts of distinctions if faced, during the war, with being ordered to do various acts which would, with virtual certainty, result in people’s deaths. I am pretty sure I would have dropped the fire bombs without much precision while German AA gunners abbreviated my life expectancy but, if in a firing squad required to kill French or Czech villagers as reprisal, or even rationally pour encourager les autres, I would not have shot to kill or permanently incapacitate.

  998. @Theodore

    I am often intrigued by references on UR threads to “documents … still sealed up” or failed FOI applications which don’t ring true. After all we have the example of those which are undoubtedly true – such as the final batch of documents on the JFK assassination that were meant to have been released two years ago – with which to compare them. Can you elaborate in this case?

  999. Fascinating to see that Phil Giraldi consistently has more comments than any other Unz blogger except Unz himself. Now what topic is it that Giraldi is focused like a laser on and that Unz tends to write about as well?

    Well, they say that the topics that are most censored in public discourse overall generate he most interest and Unz.com’s willingness to cover the most censored topic extensively and the response of commenters to that coverage seem to validate that view completely.

  1000. FB says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Linda…in order to post photos here you need only post a URL link to a photo…but make sure it’s in jpeg or ping or something like that…

    If you have your own images that you want to post then open a free account with one of the photo sharing sites like Flickr or similar…upload your picture to the site as a jpeg [the safest format]…and you will get a link that you can simply paste into the text of your comment here…

    When the comment is published it will show the picture…although the previews will just show the link…

    Btw…thanks for the Sonderkommando Photographs link…those pictures haunt the soul…

    And what an amazing piece of history…catching the cowardly Nazi butchers red-handed…a story of amazing bravery against all odds, by all involved to get those pictures and then get the film out of the camp…truly inspirational…

  1001. turtle says:
    @turtle

    My bad.
    52,224/3516 = 14.85
    Nearly 15, not 5, times.

  1002. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cowboy

    Irving goes into Churchill’s second rate counterfeit paintings and how Roosevelt discovered it and used it as blackmail.
    Churchill was not only phony and a puppet, he was crypto.
    The real question remaining is was Hitler one too.

    If nothing else, Hitler did his own paintings.

    Samuel Morgenstern, an Austrian businessman and a business partner of the young Hitler in his Vienna period, bought many of the young Hitler’s paintings. . . . Morgenstern kept a database of his clientele, through which it had been possible to locate the buyers of young Hitler’s paintings. It is found that the majority of the buyers were Jewish. An important client of Morgenstern, a lawyer by the name of Josef Feingold, bought a series of paintings by Hitler depicting old Vienna.[10]
    . . .
    A number of Hitler’s paintings were seized by the US. Army at the end of World War II. They were taken to the United States with other captured materials and are still held by the US. government, which has declined to allow them to be exhibited.[11] Other paintings were kept by private individuals. In the 2000’s, a number of these works began to be sold at auction.[12] In 2009, auction house Mullock’s of Shropshire sold 15 of Hitler’s paintings for a total of ₤97,672 (US $143,358).[13] while Ludlow’s of Shropshire sold 13 works for over €100,000.[14] In a 2012 auction in Slovakia, a mixed-media painting fetched €32,000.[15] And on November 18, 2014, a watercolor by Hitler of the old registry office in Munich sold for €130,000 at an auction in Nuremberg. The watercolor included a bill of sale and a signed letter by Albert Bormann, which may have contributed to its comparatively high selling price.[16]In July 2017,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paintings_by_Adolf_Hitler

    The Water Colors Of Hitler: Recovered Art Works Homage to Rodolfo Siviero
    by Enzo Colotti (Author), Riccardo Mariani (Author)

    • Agree: Cowboy
  1003. Ron Unz says:
    @Rich

    Leftists have been raising the number ever since they took over the Academy, but if you find a history book written before the Bolsheviks took over, the number was 1 to 1,5 million before Columbus. A couple of years ago I read one of these “New Age” historians who said 60 million, which was way higher than previous numbers.

    Well, this is somewhat off-topic, but I do think I need to clarify some of this widespread confusion, which may be partially deliberate for PC reasons…

    It’s *extremely* important to distinguish between the Amerinds who lived north of the current Mexican border and those south.

    Absolutely no one disputes that the Aztecs, Incas, and others had enormous populations, with their biggest cities supposedly being far larger than anything in Spain or almost anywhere else in Europe at the time of the Conquest. But a huge fraction of their populations died from Smallpox and other European diseases, maybe 90+%, which is the main reason they were conquered. So as far as I know, a total Amerind population in the tens of millions seems perfectly plausible, though obviously no one has exact figures.

    However, the Amerinds of North America don’t seem to have had any cities or recorded civilization, and a considerable fraction of them were still hunter-gatherers, so their population was tiny by comparison. Back a century ago, Franz Boas (hardly a rightwinger!) estimated their pre-contact population at maybe 1-2 million, which seems pretty plausible. Basically, all the subsequent (inflated) estimates are based on what fraction died from disease, so if you assume 90% you get a different pre-contact figure than if you assume 99%. However, since the Northern Amerinds had no cities, I just can’t believe that their population was all that large.

    PC-types love conflating the Northern Amerinds with the Southern Amerinds to produce a tale of “US genocide.” But if you’re talking about “genocide,” I think the only guilty parties would be Smallpox and it’s close relatives.

    I’ve never studied the subject, but my impression is that during the couple of centuries of bloody wars and massacres between the Northern Amerinds and the Europeans, the total number of Amerinds killed was somewhere in the tens of thousands, or an average of a few hundred dead per year across all of North America. If we call that “genocide,” then I guess the blacks in Chicago are currently suffering “genocide” at each others’ hands.

    However, I should emphasize I’m not a specialist in these subjects, and anyone with better knowledge should correct me.

  1004. @Rich

    I think there is enough archaeological evidence in Amazonia and along the Mississippi to justify much higher estimates than yours. Considering that the Black Death of the 1340s is thought to have killed about one third of Europeans none of the estimates of Amerind deaths should be surprising.

  1005. turtle says:
    @Ron Unz

    populations died from Smallpox and other European diseases, maybe 90+%, which is the main reason they were conquered.

    Spaniards had firearms and horses.
    Native did not.
    Brought knives to gun fights.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Ron Unz
  1006. @turtle

    Spaniards had firearms and horses.

    And tons of American Indian allies that were enslaved, suppressed, or sometimes cooked and eaten, by the opposing tribe.

  1007. Fox says:
    @Corvinus

    Lindemann, i.e., Lord Cherwell advised Churchill on bombing civilians, and he was besides “British” a member of yet another people. Don’t know the American adivser’s name off the cuff.
    Come to think of other names, Einstein (A-bomb), Oppenheimer (A-bomb), Cohen (Neutron bomb), Teller (H-bomb), Ehrenburg (demoniac hate propaganda) …these are strange advisors indeed.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  1008. @Ron Unz

    Hi Ron!

    In my semi-humble (non-PC) opinion, I found your comment intelligently “somewhat off-topic” because I learned how “PC-types love conflating the Northern Amerinds with the Southern Amerinds to produce a tale of “US genocide.”

    Someone with better knowledge than me on the fate of “Northern Amerinds” is Ralph K. Andrist who wrote the impressive book titled, “The Long Death; The Last Days of the Plains Indians.” Fyi, a few years ago, Paul Craig Roberts wrote a fine review of the book, and he concluded how no nation/peoples on Earth should ever trust US political treaties, in general their word.

    Thank you for the fresh perspective Ron, & I see exactly what you mean about “blacks in Chicago suffering genocide at their own hands.”

    P.S.: Am very pleased to see this article thread surpass the 1,000 comment mark. Nonetheless, & as the washed-up Wizard of oZ, and pontifical FB and Linda Rice are keeping the the dead Aspidistra flying, and as I will be now counted as one of Departed here, I will do so in style,😏 and link (below) Philip Giraldi’s opening sentence; a most valuable assessment & warning to my beloved, but extraordinarily dumbed-down & Zionized “Homeland.”

    “A friend of mine recently commented that if the current trend to reduce the study of history in schools to easily digestible politically correct soundbites that are being successfully pushed by social justice warriors continues, we will soon be limited to discussing how horrible slavery was, the Stonewall Inn riots and the so-called holocaust.”

    • Replies: @RobinG
  1009. annamaria says:
    @FB

    “catching the cowardly Nazi butchers red-handed”
    — There is a presence of righteousness in “FB” post. And yet somehow he totally missed how the emotional (and bad-mouthed) Linda has been unable to recognize the evil of her own government that has been arming neo-Nazis.

    “The Jewish State arms Ukrainian neo-Nazi:” https://electronicintifada.net/content/israel-arming-neo-nazis-ukraine/24876

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=x5Uf7aooxvE

    Here is the auto-da-fe of civilians in Odessa: “Burning Ukraine’s Protesters Alive” https://consortiumnews.com/2014/05/10/burning-ukraines-protesters-alive/ https://

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH0EnbOLfDg

    Any thoughts about Nuland-Kagan (from the powerful Kagans’ clan of zionists) and her collaboration with Pravyi Sector? How about the ADL and Simon Wiesenthal Center (and the 52 main Jewish American organizations) that all support Pravyj Sector of self-proclaimed neo-Nazis? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27173857

  1010. annamaria says:
    @FB

    The burning of civilians alive was conducted by the neo-Nazi thugs from Azov battalion financed by a wealthy Ukrainian-Israeli citizen Kolomojsky: “Burning Ukraine’s Protesters Alive” https://consortiumnews.com/2014/05/10/burning-ukraines-protesters-alive/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH0EnbOLfDg

    The Jewish State has been happy to keep Kolomojsky (the murderer and fraudster) as its citizen.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-allegedly-murderous-oligarch-the-duped-cia-chief-and-the-trumpkin

    https://www.ft.com/content/c3cbfa84-5c0c-33bf-beb3-7ab5f206970a

  1011. @Rich

    They did plant corn and potatoes. But they did not plant wheat, rye and oats and other grains.
    They did not have domesticated horses and cows oxses needed to work the fields. There was not much game in South America if they did eat their prisoners of war. I am not trying to set a limit on their native population, but I am certain that they had no means for generation of food for large population. 60 million is way out.

  1012. turtle says:

    Lindemann was a piece of work, that is for sure.
    If you mean to imply he was Jewish, I believe you are mistaken.
    Traitor to the homeland of his ancestors, overeducated “intellectual” with appalling scientific as well as political judgment, a likely sociopath with no regard for the lives of those he considered inferior to himself (probably nearly everyone) and the darling of Mr. Churchill, I would say he certainly was.
    Others may have a different opinion of the man.

    It says something. not complimentary, about Churchill that he considered Lindemann’s “brain was a beautiful piece of mechanism,” when that brain was wrong about so many important things. But then, there are those who have said they never saw Churchill without at least some ethanol in his veins. It (EtOH) does tend to cloud one’s judgment.

    Teller, not the caricature played with a blonde wig and a phony German accent as a “true Aryan” by the very talented Peter Sellers, was the REAL Dr. Strangelove, at least in my opinion. I base my opinion on my own experience hearing Teller speak, in both classified and unclassified lectures, long ago. The man was scary. Extremely scary.

    • Replies: @Fox
    , @Germanicus
  1013. Robjil says:
    @Fox

    All believers in Amalek ( attacking civilians) war fare.

    Kito’s war in 115-17 AD was like that and so was Mamilla Pool massacre in Jerusalem in 614 AD.

    Kito’s war

    Dio Cassius states of Jewish insurrectionaries:

    “‘Meanwhile the Jews in the region of Cyrene had put one Andreas at their head and were destroying both the Romans and the Greeks. They would cook their flesh, make belts for themselves of their entrails, anoint themselves with their blood, and wear their skins for clothing. Many they sawed in two, from the head downwards. Others they would give to wild beasts and force still others to fight as gladiators. In all, consequently, two hundred and twenty thousand perished. In Egypt, also, they performed many similar deeds, and in Cyprus under the leadership of Artemio. There, likewise, two hundred and forty thousand perished. For this reason no Jew may set foot in that land, but even if one of them is driven upon the island by force of the wind, he is put to death. Various persons took part in subduing these Jews, one being Lusius, who was sent by Trajan.”

    Mamilla Pool massacres in 614 AD in Jerusalem. Now if Holocaust, massacres of civilians, teaching is mandatory, all Holocausts, massacres of civilians, should be taught. No one is above or below anyone.

    http://www.israelshamir.net/English/mamilla.htm

    [MORE]

    It was the most violent year in the history of Palestine.

    The dead were laid to their eternal rest in AD 614, the most dreadful year in the history of Palestine until the Twentieth Century. The Scottish scholar Adam Smith, wrote in his Historical Geography of Palestine: “until now, the terrible devastation of 614 is visible in the land, it could not be healed”.

    Here is what happened.

    In 614 local Palestinian Jews allied with their Babylonian co-religionists and assisted the Persians in their conquest of the Holy Land. 26,000 Jews participated in the onslaught. In the aftermath of the Persian victory, the Jews perpetrated a massive holocaust of the Gentiles of Palestine. They burned the churches and the monasteries, killed monks and priests, burned books. The beautiful basilica of Fishes and Loaves in Tabgha, the Ascension on the Mount of Olives, St Stephen opposite Damascus Gate and the Hagia Sion on Mt Zion are just at the top of the list of perished edifices. Indeed, very few churches survived the onslaught. The Great Laura of St Sabas, tucked away in the bottomless Ravine of Fire (Wadi an-Nar) was saved by its remote location and steep crags. The Church of the Nativity miraculously survived: when Jews commanded its destruction, the Persians balked. They perceived the Magi mosaic above the lintel as the portrait of Persian kings.

    This devastation was not the worst crime. When Jerusalem surrendered to the Persians, thousands of local Christians became prisoners of war and were herded to the Mamilla Pool area. The Israeli archaeologist Ronny Reich writes:

    They were probably sold to the highest bidder. According to some sources, the Christian captives at Mamilla Pond were bought by Jews and were then slain on the spot.
    Seven Nations to Destroy from Deuteronomy 7.1-2 is the same concept. Attack civilians of entire nations has been doing for the past 28 years in the Middle East. After nine eleven, it has been fully on the march with the US Golem.

    Here is another historian’s study of the massacres

    The Oxford Professor Henry Hart Milman’s History of the Jews describes it in stronger terms:

    It had come at length, the long-expected hour of triumph and vengeance; and the Jews did not neglect the opportunity. They washed away the profanation of the holy city in Christian blood. The Persians are said to have sold the miserable captives for money. The vengeance of the Jews was stronger than their avarice; not only did they not scruple to sacrifice their treasures in the purchase of these devoted bondsmen, they put to death all they had purchased at a lavish price. It was a rumour of the time that 90,000 perished

    An eyewitness to the massacre, Strategius of St Sabas, was more vivid:

    Thereupon the vile Jews… rejoiced exceedingly, because they detested the Christians, and they conceived an evil plan. As of old they bought the Lord from the Jews with silver, so they purchased Christians out of the reservoir… How many souls were slain in the reservoir of Mamilla! How many perished of hunger and thirst! How many priests and monks were massacred by the sword! How many maidens, refusing their abominable outrages, were given over to death by the enemy! How many parents perished on top of their children! How many of the people were brought up by the Jews and butchered, and became confessors of Christ! Who can count the multitude of the corpses of those who were massacred in Jerusalem!’

    Strategius estimated the victims of the holocaust at 66,000.

    The Persians stopped the Jews from massacring all the Christians of Jerusalem.

    In plain prose, the Jews ransomed the Christians from the hands of the Persian soldiers for good money to slaughter them at Mamilla Pool, ‘and it ran with blood’. Jews massacred between 60,000 and 90,000 Palestinian Christians in Jerusalem alone, almost 1.5 million in today’s values (the total earth’s population was according to the Encyclopaedia Britannica about 300 million, twenty times smaller than today). A few days later, the Persian military understood the magnitude of the massacre and stopped the Jews.

    An Israeli archaelogist admits this is what happened. Persians were not the blame for the massacres.

    To his credit, the Israeli archaeologist Ronny Reich does not try to shift the blame for the massacres onto the Persians, as it is usually done nowadays. He admits that ‘the Persian Empire was not based on religious principles and was indeed inclined to religious tolerance’. This good man is clearly unsuitable to write for the Washington Post. That paper’s correspondent in Israel would have had no trouble describing the massacre as ‘retaliatory strike by the Jews who suffered under Christian rule’.

    This holocaust of Christian Palestinians has been hidden by Jewish historians.

    The holocaust of the Christian Palestinians in year 614 is well documented and you will find it described in older books. It has been censored out of modern guides and history books. Elliott Horowitz described, in his brilliant expose of the Jewish apologia[ii] how almost all Jewish historians suppressed the facts and re-wrote history.

    Israel Shamir, who often writes here, wrote this article. He sums it all up. He puts the points together what many commenters are saying here about Jewish culture. Its victim-hood mania is killing Judaism and the world at the same time.

    The feeling of self-righteousness and perpetual victim-hood reinforced by a tendentious, distorted historical narrative is a source of mental disease, an obsession common to many modern Jews. This obsession intoxicates Jews and gives them unusual strength in promoting their own distorted narrative. In a way, this massive distortion of reality turns Jews into victorious berserks of ideological struggle. Still, while being a successful strategy, it is a mental disease, a danger to the souls of Jews and to the lives of others.

    Purim celebrates an attack on civilians – 75000 people connected to Haman in Persia in the 4th century.

    Purim theme comes up a lot in many wars in past hundred years. Jewish Advisors at the top picking the timing and theme.

    Passover is the same thing. Yahweh passes over to kill the Egyptians’ first born.

  1014. annamaria says:
    @FB

    Here is the auto-da-fe of civilians in Odessa: “Burning Ukraine’s Protesters Alive” https://consortiumnews.com/2014/05/10/burning-ukraines-protesters-alive/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH0EnbOLfDg

    The burning of civilians alive was conducted by thugs from Azov battalion, a neo-Nazi formation financed by Kolomoisky, a wealthy Ukrainian-Israeli citizen.

    The Jewish State is totally content with the activities of Kolomojsky, a murderer and fraudster: https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-allegedly-murderous-oligarch-the-duped-cia-chief-and-the-trumpkin

    Kolomoisky has faced allegations of involvement in contract killings…

    https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/how-kolomoisky-does-business-in-the-united-states

  1015. Sparkon says:
    @Ron Unz

    However, since the Northern Amerinds had no cities, I just can’t believe that their population was all that large.

    There was at least one large urban settlement in N. America at Cahokia in modern southern Illinois, the largest known example of the fairly widespread Mississippian culture, although that by itself certainly doesn’t resolve the Amerind population question, but it might lead one to consider that the variety and extent of Amerind culture before the arrival of Europeans was more advanced and complex than is widely appreciated, which is even more significant than just the raw population numbers in terms of loss.

    Cahokia was the largest and most influential urban settlement of the Mississippian culture, which developed advanced societies across much of what is now the central and southeastern United States, beginning more than 1,000 years before European contact. Today, Cahokia Mounds is considered the largest and most complex archaeological site north of the great pre-Columbian cities in Mexico.
    […]
    Historian Daniel Richter notes that the apex of the city occurred during the Medieval Warming Period. This period appears to have fostered an agricultural revolution in upper North America, as the three-fold crops of maize, beans (legumes), and gourds (squash) were developed and adapted or bred to the temperate climates of the north from their origins in Mesoamerica. Richter also notes that Cahokia’s advanced development coincided with the development in the Southwest of the Chaco Canyon society, which also produced large-scale works in an apparent socially stratified society. The decline of the city coincides with the Little Ice Age, although by then, the three-fold agriculture remained well-established throughout temperate North America

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahokia

    The three-fold agriculture was known to the many of the tribes as “the three sisters,” which was conducted primarily by the women, while the men continued to hunt, and occasionally go on the warpath.

    While on the warpath, Some of these warriors took captives from other tribes, brought them home, burned them alive at the stake, and then ate them.

    It is certainly plausible that the native Amerind tribes had been weakened by the LIA, and even might have had their numbers substantially reduced before the arrival of the Europeans, but in any case, I think the Amerind tribes and their cultures were likely in a period of transition, a state of flux, when the Europeans arrived, and that was pretty much the end of it.

    Currently, 562 native tribes are recognized in the United States.

  1016. turtle says:
    @Corvinus

    The civilians of those places had agency–at any point in time, they could have demanded that their leaders and military engage in peace negotiations.

    The Japanese government were engaging (or attempting to engage) in peace negotiations when the Americans dropped two nuclear bombs on Japanese cities.
    I suggest you read this book on the subject:

    RE: Firebombing of German and Japanese cities, I believe it is ludicrous to assert the civilian population could have any significant influence on the actions of their government, under the circumstances. If anything, I expect coming under attack strengthened their will to resist. It certainly did for the British. Or perhaps you believe the “Evil Hun” and the “Slant Eyed Yellow Peril” should be expected to behave differently, subhuman monsters that they obviously are.
    Lindemann believed it. He was mistaken.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Corvinus
    , @MarkinLA
  1017. Theodore says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I never claimed that Buchenwald was a gassing camp, I gave a testimony of a friend of my fathers who liberated it and witnessed the suffering.

    Yes, he is an “Eyewitness to suffering” during WWII.
    Nobody denies that people suffered inside and outside the concentration camps in WWII.
    In other words, it’s not relevant.

    You say the deniers do not deny suffering or deaths. Well there is a wide range of deniers as their are exaggerations of survivors.

    Certainly some “Holocaust deniers” believe crazy things like the camps didn’t exist. I have never met one, but it’s theoretically possible. I am talking about actual published revisionists though.
    There are people who believe the Holocaust, the 6 million, the gas chambers… and also believe the earth is flat. Some people believe the “Holocaust” and say “Hitler should have finished the job!”

    No publish revisionist denies that people died and suffered in the camps.

    My only point through out my posts and I continue to emphasize is the fact that people were shipped to death camps at and were separated from their families, on the train platform never to be seen again.

    And it’s wrong, People were shipped to internment camps, there were no “Death camps” but there were hundreds of thousands of deaths in the camps. There was no camp with a homicidal gas chamber.

    These people show photos of their families that are missing. They know when they last saw them. They never came out of those showers. They could never locate them.

    You’re confused again. No longer is it claimed that Nazis gassed jews in fake showers. Some testimony claims that, but the “official story” now (because Zyclon-B granules can not be dispensed out of a shower head) is that they were dropped through holes in the roof down “Kula columns”

    Germar Rudolf demolishes the alleged Zyklon-B ‘Kula Columns’
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=10949

    Also, and this is extremely important: There are other reasons why the last time a person would see their family member member was marching off to a shower, and then never see them again… that DO NOT INCLUDE MURDER OR HOMICIDAL GAS CHAMBERS

    You’re invoking a fallacy here, please stop doing that.

    You cannot not exaggerate or lie the entirety of the 400,000 Hungarian Jews most of which disappeared.

    Nonsense. You certainly can exaggerate and lie.
    Anyway, there’s no proof they “Disappeared” even if they were gassed and buried (They weren’t) their remains would still be in the ground, excavatable.

    The Deportation of Hungarian Jews from May to July 1944
    https://codoh.com/library/document/357/

    Lost of documentation of them arriving and never leaving, and no Typhoid did not kill them.

    You’re lying here, you’re just inventing documentation. You haven’t even seen it, but you claim it exists, despite never having seen it. Your belief is based on faith, not reason.

    They were never seen again after entering.

    You keep repeating yourself like a broken record. Do you not realize that you are inventing anecdotes?

    It is my only point. I claim nothing other then that. Disappearing people. Like UFO’s to you.

    And my point is that people can not disappear. 100 thousand people if gassed to death, cremated, and buried in ‘huge mass graves’ [as alleged] would still be there!

    And my point is also that not a single Jew was gassed at Auschwitz.
    You can not name ONE (01) Jew, with proof, gassed at Auschwitz

    Over 95% of testimony at Auschwitz makes no mention of gas chambers. You’re just relying on cherry picked testimony. And Jews admit the majority of testimony is “Unreliable” and for obvious reasons.

    Read more:

    Loftus false memories video debunks ‘survivor testimonies’
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=8142

    A video on false confessions
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=7414

    False memories and the “misinformation effect”.
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1995

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  1018. Fox says:
    @turtle

    Frederick Lindemann, formerly Friedrich Lindemann, is generally (i.e, wherever I read about the bombing campaign, the “splendid decision” to initiate it on May 11, 1940) identified as Jewish academic who relocated from Baden-Baden to England.

    • Replies: @turtle
  1019. Art says:
    @turtle

    Truman is in political hell for the nuke bombings and creating Israel.

  1020. Wally says:
    @Corvinus

    Speaking of A-bombs, more laughable “holocaust” lies:

    At Nuremberg it was accepted that the Germans used atomic bombs on Jews.

    – “Germans killed 20,000 Jews with atomic bomb” Here’s “proof”:

    – ‘Nazis killed Jews with magic atomic bomb…’: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1150

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  1021. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Wow. The fact that sock-puppet (as I repeatedly predicted) Fran Taubman / Linda / Linda Rice has now been “outed” by admin as the sock-puppet he/she truly is, the lying bitch / bastard needs to be tossed into a latrine hole.

  1022. turtle says:
    @Fox

    Try Wikipedia (yah, I know, not necessarily reliable).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Lindemann,_1st_Viscount_Cherwell

    second of three sons of Adolph Friedrich Lindemann, who had emigrated to the United Kingdom circa 1871[2] and became naturalised.[3] Frederick was born in Baden-Baden in Germany [in 1886] where his American mother Olga Noble, the widow of a wealthy banker, was taking “the cure”.

    So, I guess he had British citizenship by being born to a naturalized British citizen (not sure on UK citizenship laws). If his mother had not renounced her U.S. citizenship (I do not know) he would be also a U.S. citizen by birthright to an American mother. I went to school with several military brats born to U.S. citizens stationed in Germany. I do not know what German law was at the time, but I believe that today’s Germany does not allow dual (or more) citizenship. Also, I believe Germany today does not have birthright citizenship, unlike the USA. Someone who has better knowledge is invited to correct me if I am wrong about any of the above.If correct, then if his parents claimed him as a British citizen, he would not be entitled additionally to German citizenship even though he was born in Germany. The Wikipedia article does say he was forced to leave Germany when WWI broke out to avoid internment. Presumably that would have been as an “enemy (British) alien.”

    Some sources claim that he was Jewish,[8][9] but Frederick Smith’s biography and David Irving’s second book on Churchill[10] declare that he was not.

    • Replies: @Fox
  1023. Truth3 says:

    Message to Franny Linda Sock Puppet… and FB as well…

  1024. @Jester

    A Jewish family was kicked off an airplane recently because they stank to high heaven.

    https://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Jewish-family-kicked-off-plane-after-body-odor-complaints-578784

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  1025. turtle says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I refuse to be drawn on this topic.
    You have your beliefs, I have mine.
    So, I’ll take a rain check on “another bottle.”
    Thank you for the invitation.

  1026. @Ron Unz

    You are quite correct, and even overly optimistic about the number of Indians in North America. We can confirm this by several different pieces of evidence.

    1) White people could write. The documentary evidence from the Missions for example shows a complete picture of the inhabitants of California. The 21 missions were placed pretty much exactly 1 day ride from each other. They were able to record the populations in the area, and the Indians were sparse in number and nomadic.

    2) The Crow Creek massacre was committed in and around the year 1300 AD. One tribe of Indians killed all the men of the other tribe, and then proceeded to murder, scalp and eat every last one of the 498 women and children. This tends to show that the size of a typical Indian tribes were less than 1,000 people, and widely scattered.

    I very much doubt there were more than 1,000,000 Indians in North America at the time of first contact. There is no evidence to support larger numbers.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  1027. Wally says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Like the dimwitted Zionist that you are, you simply ignore the proof that your childish “holocaust” fantasies do not hold up to the most basic examination

    – I posted tons of examples which you ignore, i.e.: my post #372.

    – You dodged my challenge for you or anyone else to tell us how the alleged gas chambers worked.

    – You have been challenged to show us the claimed human remains of millions upon millions that Jews say exist in buried known locations.

    Also note that not a single British Bletchley Park intercepts of secret German messages to and from Auschwitz and the other so called ‘death camps’ never mention gas chambers, killing Jews, or anything holocaust-like. There are many which do mention transporting large numbers of Jews out of these labor camps.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  1028. Wally says: • Website
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Ah yes, yet another nail in the fake & impossible “holocaust” coffin:
    the ‘disappeared’ outbound train records.

    – The general numbers of those transported to various German work sites and to falsely alleged “extermination camps” have usually been determined by inbound train records.

    However, outbound train rain records from those same sites, which of course were necessarily kept, especially with the vital need to know where all the trains and their loads generally were during critical war time, HAVE PREDICTABLY DISAPPEARED.
    We obviously know why.
    see:
    Inbound train records, but no outbound records.: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2355
    exc.:

    The Believers are big on the ‘where did they go’ reply. This canard is used for transports to labor camps. The story says that new arrivals that went unregistered were immediately gassed. The lack of records of outbound trains, the Believer’s claim, is proof of their gassing. Leaving aside for the moment the scientific impossibility of the gassings as alleged, their story just doesn’t hold up.
    points:
    – We know there are plenty of train transport records TO various camps, we have none which show trains LEAVING. Why is that?
    – Didn’t the trains go somewhere after their trips to the alleged ‘death camps’?
    – Does anyone really think the Germans didn’t keep records of where their trains went, full or empty during vital war time need for trains.
    – Would the Germans deliberately destroy their records of outbound trains while not destroying the records of inbound trains … so they could incriminate themselves?

    The lack of these outgoing train records is damning to the story.

  1029. Corvinus says:
    @Germanicus

    “You mean like Churchill’s jewish science advisor Frederick Lindemann, who came up with the plan to deliberately cause firestorms in worker quarters by dropping incendiary bombs on cities and towns with more than 50000 population?”

    British science advisor who just happened to be Jewish.

    “Or do you mean the 90% jewish Soviet leadership? Or do you mean the jew Roosevelt and his communist buddies with jewish mob connections such as Meyer Lansky?”

    Now you are going off the rails with your Jew obsession.

    “Listen, you Jews cannot escape your own deeds for all eternity.”

    Except I’m not Jewish. Do you see Jews in the mirror or in the reflection in a body of water?

    “Perhaps someone should drop incendiary bombs on jewish towns to win this war against the enemy of humanity?”

    Would that make you feel better?

    • Replies: @anon
  1030. Corvinus says:
    @Robjil

    “Civilians should not be attacked in wars. period. It is wrong no matter who does it.”

    We agree on something. Except it is unrealistic, especially if civilians live in areas where war material is being made.

    “Amalek (attacking civilians) war tactics is genocide and not warfare.”

    Except this action does not meet the criteria of genocide. Do enjoy hitting square pegs in round holes?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Robjil
  1031. Corvinus says:
    @renfro

    It’s actually people in general who can be considered “monsters” for their actions, not just one particular group of people.

    “only our contempt, shunning and commitment to rid the world of their sickness.”

    So if they are such a scourge, are you not obligated to do something about it? Thankfully, you are just blowing off steam, as you are an armchair warrior who lacks the guile and gumption to pull it off. It’s impotence on your part.

  1032. Corvinus says:
    @turtle

    “The Japanese government were engaging (or attempting to engage) in peace negotiations when the Americans dropped two nuclear bombs on Japanese cities.”

    There were two competing factions at that time–one that sought to continue with the war effort and one that sought diplomatic channels with the Soviets first to seek better terms. While I find it heart wrenching over the liquidation of people, I also find it that, at that time, the American public wanted an end to the war. It is easy for us now to play the 20-20 hindsight game.

    “RE: Firebombing of German and Japanese cities, I believe it is ludicrous to assert the civilian population could have any significant influence on the actions of their government, under the circumstances.”

    Do not civilians demand war if there is a perceived wrong to the point it is necessary? Were they not supportive of such efforts with a fever pitch? Did they not have a united front? Of course civilians have tremendous influence, it was just a matter of exercising the will to admit they were losing and demand peace terms. Very difficult thing, however, to do.

    “Or perhaps you believe the “Evil Hun” and the “Slant Eyed Yellow Peril” should be expected to behave differently, subhuman monsters that they obviously are.”

    In the same manner some people today view non-Europeans as they flood the American shores with their “savage, indolent ways”?

    • Replies: @turtle
  1033. @Ron Unz

    You set me off trying to find what I had previously learned of a city on the Mississipi about which I had some recollection of reading that it may have been depopulated before any significant number of Europeans got there by accidental transmission of smallpox via Florida. I think it must have been Cahokia

    https://www.livescience.com/22737-cahokia.html

    If so, it confirms the points you made because it was said to be the largest pre-Columbian city North of Mexico and only up to several hundred years before (maybe in the Medieval Warm Period) when it may have had 20,000 people. Nonetheless… estimates of Australia’s pre-1788 [European settlement] population apparently range from 315,000 [already thinned by imported disease it is suggested] to 1 million. Considering the difference in rainfall and soil fertility between North America and Australia I would infer from that the likelihood that North American populations amounted to several millions. None of which has much to do with the point that I was making, namely, that people of European descent in the Americas had shown themselves capable of genocidal callousness in their treatment of inferior or troublesome races. No doubt the Civil War had a coarsening effect even on nicely bred generals comparable to a few years membership of the Hitlerjugend and stories of the wickedness of Jews. But it went much further back amongst good Christian folk. This should make Nazi attitudes to dealing with ill-favoured people less surprising:
    ” During the Seven Years’ War, British militia took blankets from their smallpox hospital and gave them as gifts to two neutral Lenape Indian dignitaries during a peace settlement negotiation, according to the entry in the Captain’s ledger, “To convey the Smallpox to the Indians”. In the following weeks, the high commander of the British forces in North America conspired with his Colonel to “Extirpate this Execreble Race” of Native Americans, writing, “Could it not be contrived to send the small pox among the disaffected tribes of Indians? We must on this occasion use every stratagem in our power to reduce them.” His Colonel agreed to try. Most scholars have asserted that the 1837 Great Plains smallpox epidemic was “started among the tribes of the upper Missouri River by failure to quarantine steam boats on the river”, and Captain Pratt of the St. Peter “was guilty of contributing to the deaths of thousands of innocent people. The law calls his offense criminal negligence. Yet in light of all the deaths, the almost complete annihilation of the Mandans, and the terrible suffering the region endured, the label criminal negligence is benign, hardly befitting an action that had such horrendous consequences.” However, some sources attribute the 1836–40 epidemic to the deliberate communication of smallpox to Native Americans, with historian Ann F. Ramenofsky writing, “Variola Major can be transmitted through contaminated articles such as clothing or blankets. In the nineteenth century, the U. S. Army sent contaminated blankets to Native Americans, especially Plains groups, to control the Indian problem.” Well into the 20th century, deliberate infection attacks continued as Brazilian settlers and miners transported infections intentionally to the native groups whose lands they coveted.”

    New to me. I found it here

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas?wprov=sfla1

  1034. @Germanicus

    There’s a sad syndrome amongst anti-Semites of just plain getting their facts – easily checked facts – dead wrong when it comes to their Jew obsession. Lindemann wasn’t Jewish. In fact he may, like a lot of upper class Brits of his day, had Jewish friends but been anti-Semitic. Can’t you feel shame at wasting your readers time with BS?

    • Replies: @anon
    , @annamaria
    , @Germanicus
  1035. @Corvinus

    I toss in a thought which I have not pondered deeply. Civilians voluntarily working to make weapons which will almost certainly be used in an attempt to kill people might be considered as, morally, accessories before the fact. But they might say, it discus that can claim the right of self defence because your lot started it. Not so, we reply, because your making bombs which will be dropped indiscriminately on cities, is not aiding proportionate use of force…..

    Let’s say you had a chance to kill a lot of people in an enemy armaments factory before you had to slip away. Would you be wrong to kill those civilians?

    • Replies: @turtle
  1036. @Theodore

    They did disappear! But than they did reappear on street lampposts in 1056.

  1037. Ron Unz says:
    @turtle

    Spaniards had firearms and horses.
    Native did not.
    Brought knives to gun fights.

    Sure, guns and horses were very important factors, but I do think germs easily trumped them all.

    The shock of the superior weapons allowed the tiny force of Spaniards to win early battles and over-awe the Aztecs. But I think once that shock wore off, they would have been swamped and destroyed, given the gigantic disproportion in numbers. In fact, from what I recall, under a new leader, the Aztecs successfully attacked and besieged the tiny force of Conquistadors, driving them off and killing quite a number of them. However, the new Aztec leader died of disease as did such a large fraction of the population, that the Spaniards soon regained the upper hand.

    I may have gotten a few facts garbled, but the bottom line is that when 90-95% of your whole population dies off, your military strength (and psychological will) is vastly reduced. Put another way, I’d assume that Smallpox etc. killed something like 100x as many Aztec warriors as did Spanish guns or swords.

    • Replies: @turtle
  1038. turtle says:
    @Corvinus

    Of course civilians have tremendous influence

    Having come of age in 1970, I am very cynical about such a statement.
    The civilian opposition to the Vietnam war was at full throttle by 1968.
    Even my dad, a staunch Republican who undoubtedly voted for Nixon in 1960 as well as 1968, was making snarky comments about “crooked Dick,” in the fullness of time. Didn’t change anything. Neither did marching in the streets, except some people got their heads beat in, and others got themselves killed. Does Kent State mean anything to you, besides the name of a university in Ohio?

    DICK Nixon got himself elected, in part by telling folks he had a “secret plan” to end the war.The “secret plan” appeared to be to continue annihilating as many “slant eyed commie bastards” as possible, while defoliating Vietnam and continuing to send Americans to their deaths and future health problems both physical and psychological, for the next seven years, then cut and run. Saigon fell in 1975.
    Are you, or do you know, any Vietnam veterans? I am not, myself, but all the ones I have known had, and continue to have, serious psychological problems. These people (combat veterans from any war) are easy to spot, once you know what to look for. Some have physical problems as well. Fred Reed, a columnist here, is one in the latter category. (I do not know Fred, so I wish to clarify that, based on his writings, I do not believe he is screwed up in the head. Maybe, being above average intelligence, he has been able to keep the demons at bay. I hope so.)

    No need to go back in history, though. I believe one of Mr. Trump’s campaign promises was that he desired to end U.S. involvement in pointless and futile overseas military entanglements which do not serve the interests of the American people. Seen any of that behavior from the Trump administration? I haven’t. If anything it is just the opposite. So, spare us the platitudes. I, for one, am not buying any today.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @renfro
  1039. turtle says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron –
    I don’t have the figures at hand, but if your numbers are correct as to what percentage were killed off, I would have to agree with you. I vaguely recall reading, years ago, that it is generally accepted that European diseases did in the natives of Hispaniola, where Columbus first landed.

    But I think once that shock wore off, they would have been swamped and destroyed, given the gigantic disproportion in numbers.

    Hence the dictum, “Never get involved in land war in Asia.”

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  1040. MarkinLA says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The first one is a translation of a supposed flyer put out to make the Jews willingly walk to their own death trains. The second is hearsay from someone who may or may not actually have existed.

  1041. @Wally

    Philosophical question:

    If the Nazis put all the people they wanted to kill in a confined area, and had a airplanes drop bombs, atomic or otherwise on them, is it less morally wrong?

    If theey put the people in the Oradour-sur-Glane church and had a stuka airplane drop a bomb on it, would that be more acceptable morally? As it is the case that airplane bombing doesn’t count.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @Wally
    , @turtle
  1042. Fox says:
    @turtle

    Thank you for this. Lindemann (a name that would be quite typical for a Jew) could, despite being an English passport holder Jewish. However, I know only what I have read in passing without making any detailed inquiries.
    Lindemann’s leaving Germany at the beginning of the First War is unlikely to be related to his British citizenship. I read in “Breaking the Silence” by Thomas St.John Gaffney, formerly American Consul in Germany (till 1916) that there was a substantial community of English citizens living Germany during the war and being completely unmolested.
    Something demonic must have driven him to recommend the mass slaughter of civilians from the air, the people amongst whom he lived before for a long time. The same thought has occurred to me with respect to Ehrenburg. Hard to imagine that I live in a country for years, being treated well and then turn around and preach and practice the most horrendous evil. Yet that is what Lindemann as well as Ehrenburg did.

  1043. MarkinLA says:
    @turtle

    The Japanese government were engaging (or attempting to engage) in peace negotiations when the Americans dropped two nuclear bombs on Japanese cities.

    Japan could have accepted unconditional surrender at any time and ended their pain. It makes me laugh all these airmchair Presidents who think the US was the bad guy in all this.

    Here are the facts:

    1. The US forced unconditional surrender on Germany a far more formidible foe.
    2. FDR never wavered in his call for uncondiditonal surrender.
    3. Truman was a low grade flunky who had no where near the gravitas of FDR and wanted to be reelected so could not be seen as weak.
    4. The Japanese were not an honorable adversary as far as western norms were concerned. Not just the attack on Pearl Harbor but their treatment of allied prisoners of war who came back from the Phillipines with their stories. Japan did not deserve an honorable surrender.

    There was no way a nonentity like Truman was going to accept anything less than unconditional surrender, unless a failed invasion forced him to.

    • Replies: @turtle
    , @Jacques Sheete
  1044. turtle says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Civilians voluntarily working to make weapons which will almost certainly be used in an attempt to kill people might be considered as, morally, accessories before the fact.

    Now you have got the argument for not doing weapons work.
    Always, in my experience, those who are proponents of armaments see themselves as the “good guys,” who are defending themselves from the evil “other guys.” And perhaps they are, objectively as well as in their own minds.
    In my youth, I worked here:
    https://www.sandia.gov
    And here:
    https://www.llnl.gov
    As well as for the firm responsible for this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dugway_sheep_incident
    I have nothing personal against most of the people I knew in those organizations.
    They are good people, for the most part, intelligent, sincere, honest folks, who genuinely believe they are doing the right thing.
    The problem, for me, is that once the technology is “unleashed,” so to speak, it is immediately out of control. There is no telling what kind of idiot might get ahold of it, and decide it would be a Really Good Thing to use it. (“If we have these nuclear weapons, why can’t we use them?” Heard that one, lately?) I can assure you that most of the people who worked to develop such frightening “devices,” based on the doctrine of “no first use,” would be appalled by such statements. But, the matter is out of their hands.

    When I worked at Sandia, we were shown a training film during orientation which was intended to provide motivation for the lab’ s mission. The narrator of the film was none other than Ronald Wilson Reagan, a (then) grade B movie actor, who hawked soap on TV (Death Valley Days).

    Had someone addressed the audience following the showing of the film and said, “Now listen up, folks. The movie actor you were just listening to will some day be the one person who decides if the fearsome weapons you are being hired to develop will actually be used.” I wonder how many in the room might have had second thoughts. Keep in mind, we are talking about highly intelligent, and highly educated people, as a significant fraction of the work force. PhDs, in many cases.

    Ronald Reagan”? YGBSM.
    But indeed it did come to pass.
    Rather miraculously, we are still here to talk about it. But, for how long?

    Would you be wrong to kill those civilians?

    So, do you think that Ted Kaczynski was on to something?
    Just asking…

  1045. MarkinLA says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    The idea that the Nazis had any kind of convectional capability to do that is unlikely. They had no heavy lifting aircraft to drop such a large bomb (how big would it have to be anyway). Things like fuel-air bombs weren’t even being considered.

    The US Army once did an experiment where they exploded 6000 tons of TNT to achieve the effects of a small nuclear bomb. Now it could possibly happen that they built a big mound of TNT, forced all these people around it and exploded it but that seems to be extremely wasteful, especially when less than a pound of TNT would blow a person apart.

    Killing is killing how ever you do it but when you use numbers like 20,000 killed at a time, it does kind of make you think that some lying is going on.

  1046. Wally says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Seriously, that’s your best shot?
    We’re waiting for you to trot out the ‘Huns bayoneted Belgian babies’ nonsense next.

    Like the fake claims about Germans using Atomic bombs against Jews, the fact is that your Oradour-sur-Glane claim is just more propaganda, easily debunked.

    recommended:
    ‘Persecution in France for “The Waffen-SS: Innocent at Oradour” ‘
    By Vincent Reynouard: https://codoh.com/library/document/631/?lang=en
    and:
    France: New evidence prompts investigation (Oradour-sur-Glane: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7603

    And lots, lots more here: https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=oradour

  1047. turtle says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    If the Israelis kill an old man in a wheelchair by dropping a bomb on his house, which they have done, is it any more, or any less, reprehensible than sending a hit squad to shoot him in the face?
    If a mob hit man shoots his victim in the back of the head, is it any more, or any less, reprehensible than looking him in the eye whilst pulling the trigger?
    How about tying up the victim in a cave and leaving him to be eaten by rats?
    Richard Kuklinski (a.k.a. the Iceman) said he did that.
    Are they morally equivalent?

  1048. Wally says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    And Franklyn Ryckaert and his Zionists don’t want the word to get out that Jews have been lying about ‘6,000,000 dead Jews’ since at least 1823.

    6 MILLION?

  1049. @turtle

    Why was that not the experience of the British in India? Like Cortes they had plenty of local allies and that was not to anything like the same degree as in Mexico because the existing rulers had enemies.

  1050. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @Ron Unz

    the total number of Amerinds killed was somewhere in the tens of thousands, or an average of a few hundred dead per year across all of North America. If we call that “genocide,” then I guess the blacks in Chicago are currently suffering “genocide” at each others’ hands.

    Well the American Buffalo was driven to near extinction to deprive the “Amerinds” of their source of food. That was genocide of the same style imposed after both world wars on the Germanic peoples of Europe.

    Nuremburg taught us that the intent is more important than the actual numbers eliminated. Even when forced to acknowledge that no where near 6 million jews were “gassed”, jews will still insist that it was a “holocaust”.

    Brother William Tecumseh Sherman, after completing his genocide of Scotts Irish in Georgia, turned his masonic murdering machine on the “Amerinds”. Here is a famous quote of his:

    “The more Indians we can kill… the less will have to be killed the next war, for the more I see of these Indians, the more convinced I am that they all have to be killed or be maintained as a species of paupers.”

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  1051. @Wally

    I have mentioned before in my comments that I myself don’t believe in the “gas chambers” story and that by reading your favorite revisionist website CODOH, so don’t keep accusing me of beliefs I don’t have.

    I do have questions however about the “missing Jews”, i.e. those Jews whose disappeance cannot be accounted for.

    It is known how many Jews were transported to the concentration camps. If we substract the number of Jews who died at the end of the war due to malnutrition and diseases, then still a very substantial number of Jews remains whose disappearance cannot be accounted for. According to the exterminationists they were “gassed on arrival” (if unfit for work), or “worked to death” (if fit for work). According to the revisionists, they could not have been gassed, because the whole story of the gass chambers is nonsense, or they could not have been worked to death, because no remains of their bodies have been found. So the only solution to the riddle of their disappearance is that they were transported out of the camps. Records of this would however deliberately have been destroyed by the evil Allies to support their extermination claims. Let us assume that this is true, then the question arises “where were those Jews transported to?” Revisionists answer that those Jews were transported “to the East” to work camps (if fit for work), or (if unfit for work) they were temporarily settled in ghettos, to be ultimately resettled “out of Europe” after the war was won, which was the whole purpose of this exercise (and not extermination as is claimed).

    Very well, to support their thesis, revisionists should be able to show the remains of those work camps and those ghettos, and if the treatment of their inmates was so humane, many would have survived, but we have heard nothing about that. Jewish survivors would have gone back to their countries of origin and testify, but that has not happened. Keep in mind we are talking here about hundreds of thousands of Jews if not more. German soldiers who would have transported those Jews to those camps and ghettos and would have guarded them could also testify, but we have not heard about that either.

    So the revisionists cannot really solve the problem of the “missing Jews”. Cheap slogans that this question is a “canard”, or that “Jews went where Jews are” do not solve the problem. This is clearly the Achilles heel of their whole project and explains among others your own nervousness.

    Revisionists clearly have the task to solve this problem of the “missing Jews” if they want to convince us of the innocence of the Nazis.

  1052. anarchyst says:
    @turtle

    Shame on you. You should know better. You are lumping a major part of those who served with a very wide brush.
    Your statement:
    “Are you, or do you know, any Vietnam veterans? I am not, myself, but all the ones I have known had, and continue to have, serious psychological problems. These people (combat veterans from any war) are easy to spot, once you know what to look for. Some have physical problems as well. Fred Reed, a columnist here, is one in the latter category. (I do not know Fred, so I wish to clarify that, based on his writings, I do not believe he is screwed up in the head. Maybe, being above average intelligence, he has been able to keep the demons at bay. I hope so.)”
    …is disingenuous to say the least. Although there are a few Vietnam veterans with “problems”, most of us came back and resumed our lives where we left off.
    You are guilty of repeating the lie that Vietnam veterans are mentally unstable and unable to function in “normal” society.
    This was a label that was put on us to deny us job opportunities and other “perks” that were supposed to be earmarked for returning Vietnam veterans.
    99+% of Vietnam veterans have no mental problems, thereby blowing your (false) assertion that most Vietnam veterans are “loose cannons” and unable to function in society.
    Now, physical problems are another story; the use of defoliants (agent orange) has led to physical medical problems in Vietnam veterans and their offspring. It was only after a protracted fight with TPTB that the situation was partially rectified.
    Before you go spouting off about “mentally unstable” Vietnam veterans, I suggest that you visit veterans organizations and see for yourself. You will find that Vietnam veterans are no different than those who served in other conflicts.
    Now, “anti-war” protesters are another story. That is for another day…

    • Replies: @turtle
  1053. anon[177] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Except I’m not Jewish. Do you see Jews in the mirror or in the reflection in a body of water?

    Except if it looks like a lying cuntjew shill, walks like a lying cuntjew shill, and quacks like a lying cuntjew shill… Do you see your ridiculous jew holycau$e in the mirror or in the reflection in a body of water, you stupid lying cuntjew shill?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  1054. anon[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    What you have done here is offer a number of red herrings.

    What you have done here is offer a number of mindless jew mantras.

    Furthermore, my “tribe” is white American, NOT Jew. I am goy, pure goy–Polish, Dutch, and German mix, a “mutt”.

    ROFL! Yeah, and I’m Otto Frank’s ballpoint pen.

    Regardless, the Holocaust happened.

    Nah, you rabid little jew “mutt”, it really didn’t.

  1055. Rurik says:
    @Ron Unz

    From what I know of Franz Boas, the idea that Europeans killing Amerindians was somehow notable from a racial standpoint, is the same as ‘the blacks in Chicago currently suffering “genocide” at each others’ hands’.

    Because according to Boas, there is no difference in any way between an Amerindian, and an European (or a black, for that matter), other than cultural influences.

    So if Amerindian killed Amerindian, or Amerindian killed European, or European killed Amerindian..

    ..these events are all morally neutral, race-wise, and have nothing whatsoever to do with so-called ‘race’. Since there is no such thing as race, according to Boas and his modern-day devotees.

    FWIW.

  1056. anon[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    There’s a sad syndrome amongst anti-Semites of just plain getting their facts – easily checked facts – dead wrong when it comes to their Jew obsession.

    There’s a sad syndrome amongst psychotic cuntjew shills of just plain ignoring all the facts being presented to them – easily checked facts – and screeching “ANTI-SEMITES!!!!”, when it comes to their absurd jew holycau$e obsession.

  1057. Robjil says:
    @Corvinus

    Amalek ( attacking civilians) war tactics is genocide.

    The town of Dresden was not a war making place. The center of towns in Germany were not war making places. The war factories were outside towns. The same thing happened in France, Italy and Japan. It was genocide and historical cultural sites blotted out from history.

    Was it to get the best people killed? The Torah says to kill the best Gentiles. Was this the reason for attacks on civilians in cultural centers of the Axis? The same thing was done in Russia by the Jewish Bolsheviks. A half Jewish, Jewish on mother side, Ksenia Sobchak, who was running for president in 2018, jokingly said that the Bolsheviks killed the best Russians. She implied that there is no “best” Russians anymore. Good thing she lost her race to be president of Russia.

    From the Torah/Old Testament – Deuteronomy 26:19

    https://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0525.htm

    19 Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget. {P}

    These attacks on civilians as war themes by armies did not happen on a grand scale until after 1913, when the Fed Reserve came in being. After that, WWI, Bolshevik Revolution and WWII it has been promoted as means for war.

    Recent examples of these Amalek war tactics, which gets no outcry by our Zion MSM press.

    1997- Mad Albright says it was OK that 500000 Iraqi children died from US sanctions

    1999- Attack on civilians in Yugoslavia, a television station was bombed while the staff was in it. Hospitals, train stations, bridges with people on them and other civilian places were bombed. Depleted uranium bombs has poisoned the soils of Serbia and Kosovo.

    2001 – Seven Nations to destroy- For who? Yahweh’ s Israel. That is what is said in Deuteronomy 7:1-2

    These tactics of attacking civilians is a very common Jewish warfare, since it is in the Torah.

    Two big Jewish rebellions in ancient times recalled this. Yet both are hidden from our eyes. Victim-hood must be preserved for Israel’s and Jewish firster’s warmongering goals to continue endlessly.

    Kito’s war 115-17

    The genocide of civilians in Libya by rebelling Jews.

    Dio Cassius
    “The Jews  waged war on the inhabitants throughout Libya in the most savage fashion, and to such an extent was the country wasted that, its cultivators having been slain, its land would have remained utterly depopulated, had not the Emperor Hadrian gathered settlers from other places and sent them thither, for the inhabitants had been wiped out.”

    The genocide of the people of Cyprus by rebel Jews.

    “Meanwhile the Jews in the region of Cyrene had put one Andreas at their head and were destroying both the Romans and the Greeks. They would cook their flesh, make belts for themselves of their entrails, anoint themselves with their blood, and wear their skins for clothing. Many they sawed in two, from the head downwards. Others they would give to wild beasts and force still others to fight as gladiators. In all, consequently, two hundred and twenty thousand perished. In Egypt, also, they performed many similar deeds, and in Cyprus under the leadership of Artemio. There, likewise, two hundred and forty thousand perished. For this reason no Jew may set foot in that land, but even if one of them is driven upon the island by force of the wind, he is put to death. Various persons took part in subduing these Jews, one being Lusius, who was sent by (Roman Emperor) Trajan.”

    The massacres of Mamilla Pool in Jerusalem in 614 by Jewish rebels.

    This article was posted on Unz in April 26, 2001. Little did we know that Israel and Isreal firsters were planning nine eleven at this time.

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/mamilla-pool/

    In 614 local Palestinian Jews allied with their Babylonian co-religionists and assisted the Persians in their conquest of the Holy Land. 26,000 Jews participated in the onslaught. In the aftermath of the Persian victory, the Jews perpetrated a massive holocaust of the Gentiles of Palestine. They burned the churches and the monasteries, killed monks and priests, burned books. The beautiful basilica of Fishes and Loaves in Tabgha, the Ascension on the Mount of Olives, St Stephen opposite Damascus Gate and the Hagia Sion on Mt Zion are just at the top of the list of perished edifices. Indeed, very few churches survived the onslaught. The Great Laura of St Sabas, tucked away in the bottomless Ravine of Fire (Wadi an-Nar) was saved by its remote location and steep crags. The Church of the Nativity miraculously survived: when Jews commanded its destruction, the Persians balked. They perceived the Magi mosaic above the lintel as the portrait of Persian kings.
    This devastation was not the worst crime. When Jerusalem surrendered to the Persians, thousands of local Christians became prisoners of war and were herded to the Mamilla Pool area.

    This idea of attacking civilians is a very Jewish theme since it is in the Torah. In past hundred years, this Torah based idea has been used in every war and conflict without any “guilt” or outcry from the Zion MSM press, Amalek ( attacking civilians) is OK like Mad Albright said. The word genocide is only implied for events that continue the concept of eternal victim-hood of World Jewry and Israel.

    • Agree: annamaria
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  1058. @Cowboy

    Sherman was quite correct, and all you have to do is look to Canada. There are 463 Indian tribes, and all of them exist on welfare. All of them. 100%

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  1059. Corvinus says:
    @Robjil

    “Amalek ( attacking civilians) war tactics is genocide”.

    No matter how much you repeat it, you are still decidedly wrong. Attacking civilians during times of warfare is not a Jewish creation, it is human civilizational endeavor.

    “The town of Dresden was not a war making place.”

    Dresden was a major rail transport and communication center, housing 110 factories and 50,000 workers in support of the German war effort. It may not have been a primary industrial city, but it served an important purpose for the Nazi regime.

    “The same thing happened in France, Italy and Japan…”

    Actually, the same thing has happened throughout human history. It happens during a war. Again, the Jews are not the inventors of “attacking civilians”.

    “This idea of attacking civilians is a very Jewish theme since it is in the Torah.”

    For the love of shekels, this notion is NOT a purely Jewish creation nor theme. It is a human phenomenon.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Rurik
    , @annamaria
  1060. Corvinus says:
    @anon

    You are an angry little fella!

    • Replies: @anon
  1061. annamaria says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    There is indeed a sad syndrome but not the one that you are complaining about:

    Samples:
    “The Epstein Associate Nobody’s Talking About: The IDF-Linked Bond Girl Infiltrating the UK NHS:” https://theswamp.media/the-epstein-associate-nobody-s-talking-about-the-idf-linked-bond-girl-infiltrating-the-uk-nhs

    “Two justice systems in Brooklyn; one for Orthodox Jews and the other for everyone else.” https://www.huffpost.com/entry/for-jewish-orthodox-children-no-justice-no-peace_b_1525167

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qbe8bp/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qbe8bp/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11

    “Texas city requires Israel pledge for hurricane relief:” https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41688999

    The latter link is about the First Amendment. Your complaint is directly related to the First Amendment that is currently under the assault from zionists in the US.

  1062. Saggy says: • Website
    @Corvinus

    Can we just say that millions of Jews died at the hands of Nazis?

    No, it is absurd. The truth is that zero Jews not engaged in partisan warfare were killed by the Nazis.

    Now, if there were innocent Jews killed by the Nazis, where is the evidence?

    • Agree: Carolyn Yeager
  1063. Robjil says:
    @Corvinus

    It is not a human phenomenon it is now a Torah based phenomenon. Other humans have done similar things in the past on a smaller scale but not on the massive scale since the Torah based world came into being in 1913.

    Climate Change, Sexism and Racism games are in the Zion news all the time.

    Yet, all quiet on the front of our Zion news about the Torah based Amelek style attacks on civilians since 1913.

    Dresden was not a war making place. It was a world cultural heritage site. The war was over on Feb. 13-14 1945. These two days are first two days of the Purim month of Adar. Dresden was a Torah based killing and nothing more than that. Purim is a “celebration” of the killing of 75000 thousand Persians by Jews in Persia. It wasn’t based on any warfare reasons.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  1064. anon[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    You are an angry little fella!

    You are a cancerous little cuntjew!

    • Agree: Poco
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  1065. turtle says:
    @MarkinLA

    Have you read Alperovitz’ book?
    I suspect not, because that is one of the main points he makes.

    so could not be seen as weak.

    There you go. Particularly applies to U.S.-Soviet relations in the far east.
    The decision to use nuclear weapons may have had more to do with global politics than military necessity.
    Read the book. You may find it interesting.

    allied prisoners of war who came back from the Phillipines

    Plenty of them did NOT come back.
    Ever hear of the Bataan Death March?
    I spent most of my childhood in Albuquerque, NM.
    Many of those who died on Bataan came from my hometown, as well as other parts of New Mexico. There is, or was, a hospital there called Bataan Memorial Hospital, on Gibson Boulevard, right next to the Lovelace Clinic where my mother once worked as a physical therapist.

    Germany a far more formidible foe

    Try telling that to the American veterans who buried their comrades, whether on land or at sea, in the South Pacific. Unfortunately you will not get that opportunity, as nearly all of those men have passed away. My mother’s best friend’s husband, a U.S. Navy veteran, now deceased, belongs to that group.

    a failed invasion

    My father was a bombardier in the USAAF. He was preparing to ship out to bomb Japan, as a bombardier on a B29, when the atomic bombs were dropped and the war ended. Air crews had notoriously high casualty rates. Had the U.S. invaded Japan, there is at least some chance my dad might not have come home. As it was, he married his high school sweetheart, and they raised four children.

    After the war, my dad had mustered out, but my mother remained a commissioned offer in the U.S. Army for awhile. She was stationed at the U.S. Army hospital in Framingham, MA, where, as a physical therapist, she worked with returned war veterans who mainly had spinal cord injuries, i.e., paraplegics. To her dying day, she believed it was absolutely necessary for the nuclear weapons to be used on Japan.

    There was, however, a difference of opinion on the matter. Gen Eisenhower, for example, is on record as saying he did not believe it was necessary to use “that awful thing,” as he put it. Nor was he the only one among ranking U.S. military to hold that opinion.

    Bottom line? It doesn’t matter. History happened the way it did.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  1066. annamaria says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “Revisionists clearly have the task to solve this problem of the “missing Jews” …”

    — But this precisely what the zionists community is afraid of — honest research in WWII.

    The attempts to solve the problem of the “missing Jews” leads to a prison in the EU and to the loss of job in the US. Holo-biz is a faith-based entity feeding on Jewish hypocrisy. Look at your principal “witness” — the fraudster Eli Wiesel.

    The ongoing Wars for Israel (and the horrific facts documenting the crimes of Jewish Bolsheviks) make your supposed “righteousness” into obscenity. There are also the facts of the Jewish State’s arming the self-proclaimed neo-Nazi in Ukraine. And you still peddle your “special Jewish victimhood?” — The memory of victims of WWII has been sold by zionists for the profitable holo-biz schema.

    The Jewish Lobby is afraid of the light of facts. Try to appeal for more research to solve “the problem of the missing Jews” and then see how swiftly you will be branded an antisemite and holo-denier.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  1067. Rurik says:
    @Corvinus

    but it served an important purpose for the Nazi regime.

    you’re a lying POS

    for the record

    • Agree: Poco
  1068. annamaria says:
    @Corvinus

    Corvinus, don’t you enjoy hamentashen? — They are in the form of a human ear, you certainly know about that.

    Which another ethnic group (that tries to present itself as European) uses images of body parts for making snacks to celebrate the slaughter of their former benevolent hosts?

    In Israel, hamantaschen are called oznei Haman (Hebrew: אוזני המן‎), Hebrew for “Haman’s ears” in reference to their defeated enemy’s ears.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamantash

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  1069. Corvinus says:
    @Theodore

    “This is incorrect. Which actual published “Denier” denies anything I wrote? Be specific. Name names.”

    I stated deniers, NOT published deniers. Big difference.

    “Every single published Holocaust “Denier” accepts that it was.”

    Name names.

    “Indeed, and every document on the “Final Solution” confirms it was not a policy of extermination.”

    While there has yet to be a “smoking gun” as far as written evidence of Hitler ordering the Final Solution, there was a purposeful administrative process carried out in concert by the Nazi Party, the civil service, industry, and the Wehrmacht armed forces, in a network of offices spanning a continent. There was a distinct destruction process to inflict maximum damage upon a group of people, as documentary evidence from each of these four parts have indicated.

    “Here is the Rudolf Report, demolishing the “Auschwitz gas chamber” lies…”

    His work was debunked. How do you place credibility on a “scientific” report that uses for references the writer making up names for himself and then cross referencing to them as footnotes for confirmation of his “facts”? Now, you may say that he had to “protect” himself, but a scientist need not use multiple aliases, each with their own accolades for academic backgrounds/disciplines. That is patently fraudulent. Moreover, he is quoted as saying “Chemistry is not the science which can prove or refute any allegations about the Holocaust ‘rigorously’”…even though he used this discipline to showcase his own findings.

    “Linking “Denial” to anti-semitism is deceptive, dishonest, and just plain wrong.”

    That would be a strawman. I never directly nor indirectly made that statement.

    “The excavation has been discussed here already.”

    About the particular excavations that I listed?

    “[Video] Treblinka Archaeology Hoax”

    What hoax?

    Debunking Eric Hunt’s “Questioning the Holocaust: Why We Believed”

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @annamaria
    , @Theodore
  1070. Corvinus says:
    @anon

    I see that you lack the intellectual horsepower to carry on an in-depth conversation, so the only rhetorical weapon in your arsenal is ad hominem. Dear, if that makes you feel better about yourself, go right ahead.

    • Replies: @anon
  1071. annamaria says:
    @turtle

    “Bottom line? It doesn’t matter.”
    — It does. Look at your children — what kind of the future do you want for them?

    The use of atomic bombs against the civilian population of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the use of the heavy areal bombardment against the civilian population of Drezden were War Crimes.
    Otherwise, it is OK to do Nam, Iraq, Syria, Iran and to initiate the WWIII.

    • Replies: @turtle
  1072. Corvinus says:
    @Robjil

    “It is not a human phenomenon it is now a Torah based phenomenon.”

    No, civilian killings in war is a human phenomenon, not a Jewish thing or a Torah based phenomenon. Always has been, always will be. You are being patently dishonest here.

    “Other humans have done similar things in the past on a smaller scale but not on the massive scale since the Torah based world came into being in 1913.”

    No such world came into being on that date. You are making things up as you go along to fit your own worldview. If you desire to deceive yourself, knock yourself out.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @renfro
  1073. @Wizard of Oz

    There’s a sad syndrome amongst anti-Semites of just plain getting their facts

    I am not anti-semite, I am anti-jewish, big difference.
    But why are you so anti-gentile?

    It would be totally sufficient, if you told me, why the Germans did not use the industrial gas chamber for trains? I mean, vacuum tunnels, not even gas necessary.
    But no, you fanatics claim the Germans were inapt and used an insecticide in flimsy cellars with wooden door and windows, for which there is no physical evidence.

    In summary, you people lack evidence for:
    1) murder plan
    2) murder weapon
    3) credible witnesses

    Example, official archaeology claim that megalithic structures, consisting of granite blocks weighting multiple tens of tons, were made with copper tools.
    That is an impossibility physically and thus the theory is wrong, it cannot be done with copper tools.

  1074. Robjil says:
    @Corvinus

    We aren’t even allowed to look into what really happened?

    Why?

    It has been used as a massive war weapon on our planet for the past seventy years.

    Everything bad that Israel’s US Golem does or Israel does is OK since it is not Big 6.

    Carry on carrying this war weapon baggage.

    It is being used as a massive war weapon and not for any good for our planet or humanity.

  1075. @annamaria

    Whether Jewish groups or anti-Jewish groups like it or not, an honest investigation of what really happened to the Jews during WW II is apposite.

    Misbehavior of Jews throughout history or in our present time is another subject, which does not negate the above.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  1076. Robjil says:
    @Corvinus

    Torah and Jewish religious connections to Middle East wars and world events

    Purim mania

    1917 first Russian Revolution starts on Purim. Two that year – March 23 first one. Nov. 7 Second one – Bolshevik

    [MORE]

    1945- Nuremberg trials – Purim theme = ten National Socialist leaders hung like the ten sons of Haman

    1953 – Stalin poisoned on Purim

    1991 war on Iraq ended on Purim. 150000 surrendering Iraqi troops fire bombed from the US bombs. Highway of Death.

    2003 War on Iraq started on Purim

    2011 war on Libya started on Purim

    2019 Trump “gives” Golan Heights to Israel

    Nine Eleven, based on nine and not eleven is not the Sefirot, Yahweh’s Tree of Life.

    https://www.sefaria.org/Sefer_Yetzirah.1.4?lang=bi&with=all&lang2=en

    Ten are the numbers of the ineffable Sefirot. Ten, and not nine. Ten, and not eleven. Learn this wisdom, and be wise in the understanding of it. Investigate these numbers, and draw knowledge from them. Fix the design in its purity, and pass from it to its Creator seated on his throne.

    Seven Nations to Destroy from Deuteronomy 7.1-2

    https://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0507.htm

    1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and shall cast out many nations before thee, the Hittite, and the Girgashite, and the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
    2and when the LORD thy God shall deliver them up before thee, and thou shalt smite them; then thou shalt utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them;

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  1077. turtle says:
    @anarchyst

    assertion that most Vietnam veterans are “loose cannons” and unable to function in society.

    That is NOT what I said.
    What I did say:

    all the ones I have known had, and continue to have, serious psychological problems.

    Admittedly, that is not a large group.
    I was draft deferred until June 1970 (II-S).
    When I took my Navy physical, at the Boston Navy Yard, I was classified I-Y, as were many others, which disqualified me from Naval OCS. I had no great desire to go in the military, but I figured I might as well pursue my best option, if it was going to happen. If the Navy didn’t want me, that was fine with me.
    I never met many war veterans until much later in life.

    [MORE]

    But I will stick by my statement. Those I have known are not “normal” people,almost without exception. I am happy to know there are many, such as yourself, who fortunately do not fall in that category. And, yes, I do agree it is shameful that the U.S. (gov’t and civilians) chose to ignore those who fought in that war.

    Functioning? Yes. Mentally disabled? No.

    no different than those who served in other conflicts.

    Didn’t say they were. There was a TV series some time ago, Ken Burns or someone similar, who interviewed WWII vets. Similar stories. I once dated a woman whose father had served in North Africa in WWII. He was a farmer in civilian life. I never met him, but she described a similar pattern of behavior to what I have observed among the veterans I have known. I happen to know, currently but casually, a veteran of Afghanistan. George is a nice guy, but not normal. He sleeps in a different room from his wife, actually in an outbuilding, with the door open and a pistol under his pillow. Then there is my friend Mike, who was present at the failed hostage rescue in the Iranian desert. Mike built prototype aircraft as a project manager for Northrop for many years. Responsible, productive citizen, but not “normal.”

    Shall I go on? There is Debra, with whom I lived for a time, nearly 30 years ago. Debi had two helicopters shot out from under her in Vietnam. Her MOS was photographer, and she did not take ceremonial photographs. Part of her job was to courier the photos she had taken back to D.C. in a briefcase locked to her wrist. Debi is not a normal person. Functioning? Yes. Normal? No. And she is a very intelligent woman. I met Debi’s best friend David through her, and Dave and I worked together for a time. Dave (R.I.P., died in a civilian plane crash) was 82nd Airborne. Bronze Star, Purple Heart. Dave, bless his soul, was a great guy, but not normal. Hyper-defensiveness, healthy in wartime, but abnormal in civilian life, was never far below the surface. There were other traits, remnants of his military experience. Even though Debi and I were living together, she was closer to Dave than she could ever be to me. Shared experiences.

    Theres is more to this story that involves me personally, but I’ll stop here. TMI, inappropriate for this forum.

  1078. Among these comments there is a lack of discussion about evidence for or against the holocaust. There is plenty of evidence. Look at nazigassings.com. Don’t let the site name throw you off. For example many supposed “survivors” of Auschwitz said that the victims all had a blue color. Well the evidence is, for victims of cyanide (which Zyklon-B is) dead people all have a bright red color. Same for victims of carbon monoxide poisoning. So all those “witnesses” lied. There is a lot more in that site.

  1079. @annamaria

    Here is a picture of the hanging in effigy of Haman and his sons, “celebrated” by pious Jews in the US. Should we all not respect their religious rituals?

    https://failedmessiah.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b71f69e201bb07fe10b9970d-pi

    • Replies: @annamaria
  1080. turtle says:
    @annamaria

    Look at your children

    I have no children.

    what kind of the future do you want for them

    I would want a future for them.
    Quite frankly, growing up in the age of nuclear terror, I am not convinced the human race has a future.

    It wasn’t only Dresden. Most cities in Germany were devastated by American and British “area,” i.e., terrorist, bombing, directed at civilians. Look up the definition of terrorism. Yes, it was terrorism, courtesy of such leading lights as the aforementioned Lindemann, Arthur Harris, Curtis LeMay, et.al.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  1081. Lets be little realistic here and consider a little bit a human factor.
    It was gestapo that was hunting the Jews. and collecting them.
    Here is the natural reaction of Jews. They in early stage of gestapo action did find out that what is happening. So they went into hiding. Would you not do that if you were a Jew?
    Yes some of them got caught anyway. But in numbers some here are presenting is ridiculous.
    Some Jews even got weapons and did defend themselves.
    In every case that it did not work as a clockwork.

  1082. Rurik says:
    @turtle

    Yes, it was terrorism,

    I disagree Turtle.

    In a way you could say terror was the motivation of the Jewish supremacists that butchered and raped Palestinians at places like Deir Yassin, because they wanted to use that terror to get the people to flee their homes running literally for their lives. So in that case, I suspect terror was the objective.

    Whereas the people who orchestrated the bombing of German civilians and others at the closing weeks of the war, might have enjoyed the prospect of wide-spread terror as the bombs and firestorms ensued, that wasn’t the ultimate motivation.

    The ultimate motivation, in my opinion, was the horrific suffering and death of those peoples, and the cultural genocide of their sublime Baroque architecture and art.

    Germany wasn’t just the center of Christendom, but also the center of Western genius.

    It was this genius, and the ineffable beauty of the place and its people, that the fire bombs were intended to wipe out, as an affront to the so-called ‘choseness’ of the tribe, and the fury of the hopelessly mediocre.

    ‘Burn it all to the ground!!!’

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @annamaria
    , @turtle
  1083. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    One thing Canada is more famous for than drunk indians is jew liqour czars. The Epstein linked Bronfam family has been pushing rot gut booze on vulnerable white people for as long as the Sabbatean Frankists have been molesting and sacrificing their children.

    Throughout eastern Europe and the pale of settlement Jews owned taverns and sold crude and often toxic alcohol to the peasants and opium to the coolies. We can see this trend continued today with the waves of addiction to jewish gangster controlled drugs like Fenatyl, Oxcontin, Crystal Meth, Herion, Coke and many more.

    Jews love spewing on about equality. Equality for “gender”, race, age, weight, sexual perversion, you name it.

    One thing that every humanoid race or species excluding jews have in common, that makes them all equal, is that they have been used by jews to cause misery to other non-“semite” humanoid. In this we are all equal, and this is what should unite us all.

  1084. @Rurik

    I disagree Turtle.

    I agree with Turtle on this one, but I also agree with you.

    If you look at the method the Brits and US used, it was clear terrorism.
    They attacked in waves, with different types of bombs, with the purpose to annihilate as many civilians as possible. Incendiary bomb wave followed by a wave of explosives, rinse and repeat for two days and nights.

    But it did not stop there, they used their fighter cannons to mow down the fleeing civilians at the Elbe meadows, the only place one could flee from the enormous heat( ~2000°C). Hence this was literally a Holocaust. Hamburg, Würzburg and so many cities and towns destroyed by the same method of terror.

    Wikipedia states:

    Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror among masses of people

    This intention can be proven.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  1085. Rurik says:
    @Germanicus

    Well, it’s really splitting hairs over semantics and the ultimate motivation.

    Terrorism generally is the act of instilling terror in order to accomplish some ultimate goal. Like a political or strategic agenda. If they had burned alive half the population in order to get the other half to capitulate to some terms or other, then I’d agree.

    But it appears to me that the goal was the (horrific) liquidation of the entire city’s population, and it’s towering cultural elegance.

    If terror was intended, then I don’t think it would have accomplished much on the denizens of Dresden and those other cities, since the inhabitants of Dresden were all burned alive.

    And it couldn’t have been a goal towards terrifying the German people into surrender, because the war was, for all intents and purposes- “won” by February, 1945. All that remained were some formalities.

    What they wanted was a Carthage. And if they’d have had their way unimpeded by some namby-pamby German-loving crybabies in the American and other Western governments, then every last German (other than those indispensable ones like von Braun) would have been liquidated off the planet for all time.

    Such is their Old Testament mentality and their envious, infinite malice.

  1086. annamaria says:
    @Corvinus

    Then why zionists (including “corvinus”) are fighting the First Amendment and criminalizing honest research in WWII?

  1087. Sparkon says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    1) White people could write. The documentary evidence from the Missions for example shows a complete picture of the inhabitants of California.

    2) Crow Creek massacre …

    This tends to show that the size of a typical Indian tribes were less than 1,000 people, and widely scattered.

    No, you can’t extrapolate from California with its unique climate and topography, or S. Dakota either, and apply it to the rest of the country, especially to the woodland tribes east of the Mississippi river, where in any event, other white people were writing about the tribes:

    After forty days of travel I entered the river of the Illinois, and, after voyaging fifty leagues, I came to their first Village, which had three hundred cabins, all of them with four or five fires, One fire is always for two families. They have eleven Villages belonging to their Tribe. …

    — Letter from Father Sebastien Rasles, October 12, 1723.

    http://virtual.parkland.edu/lstelle1/len/center_for_social_research/inoca_ethnohistory_project/rasles.htm

    Wikipedia:

    The tribes were the Kaskaskia, Cahokia, Peoria, Tamaroa, Moingwena, Michigamea, Chepoussa, Chinkoa, Coiracoentanon, Espeminkia, Maroa, and Tapouara. At the time of European contact in the 17th century, they were believed to number over 10,000 people.

    Doing the math based on Fr. Rasles’ letter: up to 10 families (of at least 2 or 3 people, maybe more, in each cabin) x 300 cabins x 11 villages = ~99,000 possible total Inoca population in 1723.

    During four consecutive years that I remained with the Wea at Chicago, which is the most considerable village of the Miami, who have been settled there for ten or twelve years, I have found no difference between their manners and those of the Illinois, nor in their language either. The only difference is that they remain settled in one place only a very short time.[…]

    This nation, I believe, is as populous as the Illinois. It is composed of six villages which are the Chachakingoya, Aouciatenons, Anghichia, formerly Marineoueia, Kiratikas, Minghakokias, and Pepikokia; they are better beaver hunters than the Illinois, and esteem the beaver more highly also.

    — Memoir of De Gannes Concerning the Illinois Country

    http://virtual.parkland.edu/lstelle1/len/center_for_social_research/inoca_ethnohistory_project/DEGANNES.HTM

    Parkland College in Champaign, Illinois maintains the

    Inoca (Ilimouec, Illinois, Illini, Peoria) Ethnohistory Project:
    Eye Witness Descriptions of the Contact Generation,
    1667 – 1700

    I’ve read many but not all of the articles at Parkland’s project, and searched a few others. I can find no mention of smallpox. I do know that by the time Illinois became a state in 1818, all of the original tribes of the Illinois had been reduced to small groups of survivors moved first to Kansas, and then to Oklahoma.

    My impression is that the Illini were virtually destroyed by surrounding tribes, especially the Iroquois, who had allied with the English, but including also traditional enemies that the Illinois tribes had been able to keep at bay until the Europeans upset the balance of power.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
    , @MarkinLA
  1088. Rurik says:
    @Rurik

    Such is their Old Testament mentality and their envious, infinite malice.

    IOW they wanted to burn them all live, because they wanted to burn them all alive.

    It was all about maximum horror and maximum suffering. The terror aspects would have been very much welcome, but the main motivation was sadistic, Talmudic cruelty, for its own sake.

    And the removal of such people and their culture- whose existence so offended the supremacist sensibilities of the chosen.

  1089. @Rurik

    If terror was intended, then I don’t think it would have accomplished much on the denizens of Dresden and those other cities, since the inhabitants of Dresden were all burned alive.

    It wasn’t only about the cultural heritage, and some survived the terror bombing.
    Dresden was picked, because it held the first anti-jewish congress 11/12 September 1882, because it hosted the Dresden Codex, and because it was packed with refugees who had fled from the raping terrorist red army further east.

    I have had first hand witness in my family. My grandma never talked about it in detail, she was drafted as nurse to help with the refugees, her quarters were slightly outside the center of Dresden, but she lived through it, and helped with the clean up of the bodies in between the attack waves in the burning city.
    Obviously, the terror left her a mental wreck and deeply traumatized. She could not talk about it, she was unable to without shaking and reliving it all over again.
    No compensation or reparation there, no parading around in media proudly telling “I am a survivor”, she had suffered silently until she died.

    The Dresden Codex is a Mayan book, the oldest surviving from the Americas, dating to the 13th or 14th century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_Codex

    • Agree: Cowboy
  1090. turtle says:
    @Rurik

    I believe you cannot understand the Second World War without understanding the First World War. And I also believe the First World War was about eliminating Germany as a commercial, and perhaps secondarily a cultural, rival to Great Britain.

    In the U.S., those of us of German heritage were basically made persona non grata, despite being about 20% of the population. We have the dubious distinction of being the only ethnic group in history (absent Native Americans) to have been the target of an official campaign of hatred carried out against us by our own government. In some locales, it was made illegal to teach, write or speak the German language. These laws were overturned after the war, but by then the damage was done. That was called “assimilation.”

    Having destroyed Germany in one world conflict, only to see it rise from the ashes and become a world power again in the space of 20 years, the British were determined to “finish the job,” with a little help from their American friends and the Communist murderers of Soviet Russia.. Even that did not work.

    Twice destroyed, twice rebuilt. Those pesky Germans just did not want to go away and let the British Empire re-assume its “rightful” place as unchallenged rulers of the known universe.

    Where is the British Empire today? In the dustbin of history.
    What country is the strongest economic power in Europe? That’s what I thought.
    So, the assorted poofters from British “public” schools, and their various allies worldwide must resort to different tactics, namely breed the Germans out of existence. This possibility was broached following WWII, but no policy was implemented at that time. Research Henry Morgenthau if you are interested. There were actually two proposals. One was to castrate all German males at puberty. The other was to transport German males out of the country en masse, and import various foreigners to impregnate German women. Neither was implemented at that time.
    Is this taught to American schoolchildren? Not on your life.

  1091. annamaria says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “Here is a picture of the hanging in effigy of Haman and his sons, “celebrated” by pious Jews in the US. Should we all not respect their religious rituals?”

    — The poisoning of Jewish children’s mind begins at infancy. Each and every Jewish Community Center and all Jewish school revel in re-playing the bloody story of butchering the natives by the ingrateful obnoxious Firsters.

    Instead of taking the celebration of Purim as a warning, Americans have allowed a thorough zionization of the US government, judiciary, press, and military.

    The holo-biz industry was highly instrumental in smothering any resistance to the machinations of the traitorous lot.

  1092. annamaria says:
    @Rurik

    “The ultimate motivation … was the horrific suffering and death of those peoples, and the cultural genocide of their sublime Baroque architecture and art.

    Germany wasn’t just the center of Christendom, but also the center of Western genius.

    It was this genius, and the ineffable beauty of the place and its people, that the fire bombs were intended to wipe out, as an affront to the so-called ‘choseness’ of the tribe, and the fury of the hopelessly mediocre.”

    –A bitter truth indeed. The “tribe” produced mostly the epigones.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  1093. Rurik says:

    The other was to transport German males out of the country en masse, and import various foreigners to impregnate German women. Neither was implemented at that time.

    I’m going to reply to both of you gentlemen here, and say that I find no error in either of your posts.

    If anything, I just don’t consider what happened to Germany to have been a British or American phenomena, but that those nations (just like Russia) had been hijacked by the tribe.

    I know Brits and I know Americans and I know Germans. These people don’t harbor any congenital hatred for each other. Rather, they have to be exhorted and cajoled to hate each other.

    Yes, there may have been some Brits and American Gentiles who were jealous of Germany’s mercantile successes, and feared their ascendancy, but without the genocidal hatred of the tribe, and their minions all thought the governments of England and the US, I just don’t see total war happening.

    Who was it that took over Germany after they were starved to death into signing the German people over to slavery? Who ran the Weimar regime? Brits? Americans” Or the tribe?

    Would England have declared war on Germany for invading Poland were it not for the intrigues of the tribe? Look at England today, who is it that is beside themselves with unbridled jubilation for what England has become? Germans, Americans like me, or the tribe?

    Would America had declared war on Germany were it not for the Balfour Declaration and Woodrow Wilson’s unprecedented betrayal- when he handed the keys to the US Treasury over to the tribe? Once they had the Treasury, their power was unassailable. FDR and his betrayals were only all to predictable. Yes, WWII was simply a genocidal continuation of WWI.

    Had Russia not been taken over by the tribe, would she have become Germany’s (and Ukraine’s and Poland’s and so many others) existential enemy?

    The royalties of these nations interbred, and their people are often, I’d say, interchangeable.

    How many Brits have Teutonic blood in their veins.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/mar/18/genetic-study-30-percent-white-british-dna-german-ancestry

    These peoples are not natural enemies. Russians and Germans are brothers. They have to be compelled to hate and fight each other.

    I know Germans and Brits and Russians, (and gobs of other nationalities) and they’re all basically decent folks who want to kill no one.

    There is just one tribe I know of that is ardently obsessed with dominating and controlling and looting and slaughtering.

    They verily worship the slaughter of others, and seem to get a boehner with every bomb dropped and every child killed. Indeed, their most sacred holiday is a celebration of slaughtered children.

    I put down both world wars on their moral ledger. Just as I put 9/11 on their ledger, and all the subsequent wars in their Eternal Wars for Israel. So too communism and the gulags and the Holodomor and the looting of the “Russian” oligarchs at communism’s end. So much more!

    Sure, they need goyim stooges to carry it all out, but there’s only so many John McCains and Winston Churchills to go around.

    Most sane and normal Gentiles abhor war and death and suffering for its own sake.

    Not the Jewish supremacists. They are giddy over war. They are relentless in its pursuit.

    It is an imperative in their blood that others die and suffer.

    Especially when there’s a profit to be made on the horrors.

    Gotta go..

    • Replies: @Truth3
    , @turtle
    , @Germanicus
  1094. annamaria says:
    @turtle

    There is also an aspect of the profound influence of German culture (particularly sciences, math, methods of education, and philosophy) on Russians. The blossoming of Russian civilization in the 19th – beginning 20th century cannot be explained without this influence.

    • Replies: @turtle
  1095. annamaria says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “Misbehavior of Jews throughout history or in our present time…” https://www.rt.com/news/464743-israel-demolition-wadi-hummus/

    Israel has started demolishing 13 residential buildings in East Jerusalem’s Wadi Hummus for being too close to the separation barrier, even though the area falls under the Palestinian Authority’s administration.

    Israel Defense Force soldiers were seen placing explosives in a building set for demolition after they arrived before dawn. Public Security Minister Gilad Erdan said 700 police and 200 soldiers were involved in the operation. They evacuated a family from one of the buildings and removed activists protesting the demolition. Construction vehicles smashed up a number of buildings.

    Time for Senator Kevin Rader, Representative Tina Polsky, Senator Rick Scott, and Jewish State Representative Randy Fine to issue remorseful statements condemning the illegal and subhuman actions by the Israeli army personnel. These Israeli actions represent state terrorism.

    Senator Kevin Rader, Representative Tina Polsky, Senator Rick Scott, and Jewish State Representative Randy Fine must explain 1. why they support terrorist acts against civilians in Palestine and 2. what does it mean “never again.”

  1096. anon[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    I see that you lack the intellectual horsepower to carry on an in-depth conversation, so the only rhetorical weapon in your arsenal is ad hominem. Dear, if that makes you feel better about yourself, go right ahead.

    I see that you’re a true believer who likes to project.

    Please, you have the “intellectual horsepower” of a dog turd and you’re certainly not here “to carry on an in-depth conversation” with anyone, you’re here to shill for the tribe. The only “rhetorical weapon” in your “arsenal” are the deceptive jew weasel words you mindlessly repeat like a mantra.

    Jew shill, if obsessively proselytizing about your fantastical jew holycau$e makes you feel soooooo much better about the endless depredations of your toxic jew tribe, you should probably fuck off back to Breitbart, because no one’s buying your stupid jew horseshit here.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  1097. turtle says:
    @annamaria

    Yes.
    The two principal scientific languages in the 19th century were German and English.
    Articles published in Russian scientific journals were typically in German.

    In today’s world, things have changed. There is an “elite” high school loosely associated with CalTech in Pasadena, CA. I believe the only language on offer, other than English, is Mandarin, or possible French. The German language is not taught there.
    Yet, if you wish, or need, to read the classical literature, particularly in the physical sciences, you must have at least some grasp of the German language.

    And we haven’t even discussed philosophy, mathematics, or literary works, including poetry.
    Sad.

  1098. turtle says:
    @Rurik

    I know Germans and Brits and Russians, (and gobs of other nationalities) and they’re all basically decent folks who want to kill no one.

    Yes. No fearsome hobgoblins, just ordinary people doing their best to live their lives.
    Once the Fearsome Nazis had been defeated, it was on to hating and fearing the Evil Russkies (1950s). After that, Luke the Gook. Now the bogeyman des tages is Ahmed the Wild-eyed Towelhead Jihadi.

    The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
    -H.L. Mencken

    • Agree: Rurik
  1099. @turtle

    If you mean to imply he was Jewish, I believe you are mistaken.

    Look at the source. Belief is not knowing.

    Lord Professor Frederick Lindemann (1856-1957) was appointed in 1919 professor of experimental philosophy at Oxford University and director of the Clarendon Laboratory, largely on the recommendation of Sir Henry Tizard who had been a colleague in Berlin. In July 1941 Lindemann was raised to the peerage as Baron Cherwell, of Oxford in the County of Oxford and in 1956 he was made Viscount Cherwell, of Oxford in the County of Oxford. During the Second World War he served as Winston Churchill’s leading scientific adviser.

    https://www.oxfordchabad.org/templates/articlecco_cdo/aid/457389/jewish/Oxford-Jewish-Personalities.htm

    A philosophical “science” advisor, whose philosophy was mass murder.

    • Replies: @turtle
    , @turtle
  1100. @turtle

    In the U.S., those of us of German heritage were basically made persona non grata, despite being about 20% of the population. We have the dubious distinction of being the only ethnic group in history (absent Native Americans) to have been the target of an official campaign of hatred carried out against us by our own government.

    I’ve been trying to figure out, Why Charlottesville?

    Why did ADL, corporate headquarters for the “transgenerational criminal gang” that Jeff Gates describes (in Guilt by Association) select Charlottesville to besmirch and destroy?

    Charlottesville, home of Thomas Jefferson.

    Charlottesville, dominated by Episcopalians, a signifier of British religion/culture/tradition.

    As you said, turtle, Germans were the second-largest ethnic group in the USA when the US government, widely influenced by zionist Jews in league with British propagandists and East coast Episcopalians, began its campaign of demonization of Germans.

    WASPs who colluded with zionists to destroy Germany in the world wars were chagrined to find that Jews no longer had any use for them once the mission had been accomplished.

    Phil Weiss has written on Mondoweiss that “Jews hated WASPs and strove in every way to displace them.” He — and Jane Eisner, then editor of The Forward — have spoken and written of the ascent of Jews to the place of the “elites,” American leadership formerly held by WASPs.

    The destruction of Charlottesville is the symbolic destruction of the British / Episcopal / WASP foundation of the United States.
    Not quite Dresden: the “transgenerational criminal gang” uses far more sophisticated means to suck out the soul of a people and their culture. But terror-motivated destruction nonetheless.

  1101. anon[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    re: Exodus ch. 32

    “25 Moses saw that the people were running wild and that Aaron had let them get out of control and so become a laughingstock to their enemies. 26 So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the Lord, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.

    27 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’” 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. 29 Then Moses said, “You have been set apart to the Lord today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.”

    Question for you, Fran Linda Taubman:

    X + 3000 Hebrews left Egypt

    Only X people left the foot of Mt. Sinai.

    How did those 3000 end up dead — Nazi push them into a gas chamber?

    Or did their fellow Jews kill them because they refused to go along with the genocidal plot of Joshua etc. to despoil the people and land of Canaan?

    (Or the even more genocidal plot of Ben Gurion & Brandeis to despoil the land and people of Palestine)?

    Where are 3000 Hebrews buried?

  1102. @Rurik

    I believe you’re onto something here.

    I believe if we allow that “terrorism” is a strategy then it becomes more clear as to why there is a hue and cry for constantly waging war against it by those who want to wage war: A war against something must have a well and clearly-defined enemy. A war against a strategy can never be won and simply demands perpetual war. Hence the reason for the “War on Terror”. It can be engaged in perpetuity.

    • Replies: @turtle
  1103. @Corvinus

    Would you mind giving your definition of a “denier” and your definition of “the Holocaust”?

  1104. @Sparkon

    Don’t be ridiculous. Even if your own quote were true (which is dubious) Fr. Rasles wrote that he had to travel 40 days to find this magnificent imaginary city. So there were no other Indians around in 40 days travel.

    And let’s pretend this magical city of all these fantasy cabins existed. What did they eat? Beavers, according to the letter. How many beavers would it take to feed 99,000 people for a year in this magic city? Sanitation? Water?

    C’mon, you don’t really believe such rubbish?

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  1105. turtle says:
    @Germanicus

    Yeah, he was a bloodthirsty bastard, that ‘s for sure.
    Considering his monumental lack of scientific judgment re: such important topics as radar and rocketry, I am at a loss to explain why he was made FRS.
    The peerage is easy enough to understand.

    I just realized Lindemann’s title, Lord Cherwell, is remarkably close to the name of Churchill’s country estate, Chartwell.
    You know, the one he could not afford during the 1930s.
    He who pays the piper calls the tune.
    It was ever thus.

    So the Jews want o claim him?
    To their detriment, I would say.
    Hell ,they might try to claim Newton, just because his first name was Isaac.
    Who knows?
    And frankly, I do not care.
    A thug is a thug, no matter how you hang him.
    JMO.

  1106. turtle says:
    @Oemikitlob

    “War on Terror”. It can be engaged in perpetuity.

    Are you just now figuring that out?
    Good on you, and best of luck on the remainder of your journey towards the light.

    • Replies: @Oemikitlob
  1107. S says:
    @turtle

    Twice destroyed, twice rebuilt. Those pesky Germans just did not want to go away and let the British Empire re-assume its “rightful” place as unchallenged rulers of the known universe.

    As you allude, Germany had long been specifically targeted for conquest by the British Empire, as it’s the center of power upon continental Europe.

    The New Rome, excerpted and linked below, and published in the United States in 1853, outlines how a future ‘world’s war’ will break out in Europe when a united US/UK (the ‘Anglo-Saxon Empire’) makes an attempt to conquer Germany and consolidate control over it.

    After that is achieved, to obtain total world power, the US/UK sets it sights on Russia

    The other link to A Political Prophecy, published in 1912, gives the historic background to the writing of The New Rome.

    ’..the Anglo-Saxon empire shall lay its slow but unyielding grasp upon the countries of the Germanic confederation. Then will the mastery of Europe be the prize of the death-struggle between the Union [the United States] and the Czar.’

    [MORE]

    The New Rome (1853) – pg 105

    That great uprising of all peoples, that world’s war which is for ever seen to hang, like the sword of Damocles, over the passing joys and troubles of the hour, will fall when the Anglo-Saxon empire shall lay its slow but unyielding grasp upon the countries of the Germanic confederation. Then will the mastery of Europe be the prize of the death-struggle between the Union [the United States] and the Czar.’

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_new_rome_or_the_united_states_of_the_world_1853

    https://archive.org/details/politicalprophec00goeb/page/n3

  1108. @turtle

    No, turtle, but, thank you and thank you for sharing your insights and thoughts here on Unz. I’ve enjoyed it.

    • Replies: @turtle
  1109. Sparkon says:
    @Genrick Yagoda

    You’ve said there was no evidence, but when presented with evidence, you just wave if off as “rubbish.”

    Sorry pal, but you can’t do that with me. I’ve already crammed your bad arguments back in your face once, but here you are for a second helping.

    After I’ve demolished your argument with documented historical accounts, you can reply only with frantic handwaving, complete denial of those historical accounts, and a notable ignorance of geography.

    Fr. Rasles wrote that he had to travel 40 days to find this magnificent imaginary city.

    Fr. Rasles’ journey began in Quebec. That’s in Canada. Ever hear of it?

    I was recalled by my Superiors; they had assigned me to the Mission of the Illinois, who had just lost their Missionary. I then went to Quebec, whence, after I had devoted three months to studying the Algonkin language, I set out on the 13th of August in a canoe for the land of the Illinois; their Country is more than eight hundred leagues distant from Quebec.

    You asked:

    What did they eat? Beavers, according to the letter.

    No, that’s not what the letter said. Your poor reading comprehension is on full display. Beavers were a big part of the fur trade, and getting beaver pelts was one of the reasons the Iroquois conducted raiding parties into the Illinois Country, because the animal had been trapped out further east, and by 1640 had disappeared from the Hudson valley.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaver_Wars

    What did they eat? From the De Gannes memoir:

    More than 1,200 buffalos were killed during our hunt, without counting the bears, does, stags, bucks, young turkeys, and lynxes. We killed also some animals which the Illinois and Miami call Quinousaoueia, which signifies the big tails, as they have tails more than two feet long, a head like that of a cat, a body about three feet long, a very lank belly, and long legs, and fur, reddish and very short. They move faster than any other beast for two or three arpents. If they were as common as wolves, we should not see so many bucks in that country, for they [live] only on these.

    Fr. Rasles:

    Among all the Tribes of Canada, there is not one that lives in so great abundance of everything as do the Illinois. Their rivers are covered with swans bustards, ducks, and teal. We can hardly travel a league without meeting a prodigious multitude of Turkeys, which go in troops, sometimes to the number of 200, They are larger than those that are seen in France. I had the curiosity to weigh one of them, and it weighed thirty-six livres. They have a sort of hairy beard at the neck, which is half a foot long.

    Bears and deer are found there in great numbers; there are also found countless numbers of oxen and of roebucks; there is no year when they do not kill more than a thousand roebucks, and more than two thousand oxen; as far as the eye can reach, are seen from four to five thousand oxen grazing on the prairies. They have a hump on the back, and the head is extremely large. Their hair, except that on the head, is curly and soft, like wool; their flesh is strong in its natural state, and is so light that, even if it be eaten wholly raw, it causes no indigestion. When they have killed an ox that seems to them too lean, they are satisfied to take its tongue and go in search of one that is more fat.

    It was not without good reason that the Illinois Country was coveted by many Amerind tribes, and Europeans as well.

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  1110. Corvinus says:
    @anon

    You must really enjoy pressing your ad hominem button.

    https://gph.is/2lksKon

    • Replies: @anon
  1111. Corvinus says:
    @Robjil

    “Torah and Jewish religious connections to Middle East wars and world events…”

    You are completely making up those connections.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Robjil
  1112. turtle says:
    @Oemikitlob

    Thank you for the compliment.
    If anyone here knows some Latin, (I do not), kindly inform me how “From the darkness towards the light” should be translated.
    That is my adopted motto.
    My attempt:
    Ex tenebris ad lucem
    is probably wrong, but I will stand correction.
    Anyone?
    TIA.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  1113. Rurik says:
    @annamaria

    A bitter truth indeed. The “tribe” produced mostly the epigones.

    In and of itself, I don’t think the tribe has any reason for feeling second-rate. Few nations rival Germany’s storied history, and many other nations, like Russia and China and Japan (and so many others) have proud histories and accomplishments. Judea and the Jewish people too.

    The problem is that the Old Testament delusions of the Jewish supremacists demand that their myths and narratives have them so far superior to all other peoples, that they are like gods on this earth, so that when compared to the Germans, and their writers and philosophers and inventors and scientists and poets and engineers and hardy, athletic, and historically indomitable people..

    .. that when compared to some brilliant Jews, it just doesn’t add up to the chosen, divine nature of their ludicrous and laughable delusions.

    So they writhe in their envious bile, and plot the death of Germany, (and the rest of us).

    I remember a SNL skit long ago, with Bill Murray and Steve Martin playing a dumb and smart caveman respectively. Murray was ‘strong’, and Martin was ‘smart’. But it turned out that the cavewomen were enamored by Martin’s smarts. And so Murray dropped a stone on Martin’s head, and now Murray was ‘strong’, and ‘smart’!

    This is the scenario that’s been playing out for eons. Both individually, and tribally.

  1114. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Jewish survivors would have gone back to their countries of origin and testify, but that has not happened.

    F.R. is stating something as a fact that is not a fact. He has no insight whatsoever into what “Jewish survivors” would do. In fact, experience with Jewish “surLIEvors” leads us to believe they would not go back and testify to the TRUTH, especially as they were and had been under the jurisdiction of the Soviet Union/Stalin. It’s my understanding that they would not have been given permission to leave, and that over time many were sent to labor gulags in Siberia bc Stalin did not trust them to behave in the manner of “peaceful Soviet citizens.” They perished there.

    Revisionists do not have access to that information, only some newspaper reports and rumors. Where would they get it? FR talks of Revisionists as if they can perform miracles, because they did do such an amazing job of discounting the gas chambers, the “industrial” plan to exterminate all Jews, the Hitler order and the outlandish number of 6 million. But this took place in the rational West. What took place behind the iron curtain of the Slavs and Mongolians is not ruled by any laws of justice or sanity. The truth about this would contradict the anti-Nazi propaganda put out by the current president Putin, as much as it did of Stalin.

    FR also admits that “the revisionists cannot really solve the problem of the “missing Jews” in Russia. And then two sentences down he claims that “Revisionists clearly have the task to solve this problem of the “missing Jews” if they want to convince us of the innocence of the Nazis.”

    Innocence is never demanded to be proven because it can’t be. All that can be proven is no evidence of a crime or of criminal intent/activity. You’re demanding Revisionists accomplish an impossible task. And you pretend to be so reasonable.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  1115. @Sparkon

    OH, I get. A hero complex.

    Where are the ruins of these imaginary cities? 100,000 people in the 1700’s? Show me. A single letter and your extrapolations do not constitute “evidence”. As the posters who have destroyed the absurd “Holocaust” myths have repeatedly demonstrated.

    I am quite familiar with the Montreal area. That was close to where the first white man tried to live with the Stone Age Siberians. His name was Ettiene Brule. The Stone Age Siberians murdered and ate him.

    Before the Siberians killed and ate Ettiene he was able to provide several reports. Which documented that Siberian life was one of war, murder, starvation, and disease. And that other Siberian tribes were scattered and few in number.

    So again, show me some evidence that does not take the form of a single letter.

    And for the record, 800 leagues = 4,400 KM. Montreal is actually 1,500 Km from the Illinois valley. Fr Rasles appears to be innumerate, so it’s more than a little doubtful that his reports are accurate.

  1116. Saggy says: • Website

    There is no evidence that even ONE Jew was killed by the Nazis for being a Jew. The Nazis investigated crime in the camps aggressively, the ‘bloodhound judge’ Konrad Morgen was in charge and conducted 800 investigations with hundreds of prosecutions (google him), and there is no evidence that a single Jew was killed for being a Jew in the camps. So, how about the Einsatzgruppen? Is there any evidence that the Einsatzgruppen, and not the Latvian, Lithuanian, etc., locals, killed a single Jew? I recall that there are some documents, but has any reported Einsatzgruppen killing been corroborated with a mass grave? I don’t believe so.

  1117. @Germanicus

    From the Letters of Rabbi Stephen Wise:
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10191

    “(London, 1945)

    . . . talk and lunch . . . with Justice [Robert Jackson. He’s a real person, I don’t wonder that Roosevelt began thinking of him as a possible successor. He . . .has grand and spacious ideas on the Nuremberg trials in mid-october, with Weizmann, Goldmann or S.S.W. [Stephen S. Wise] as Jewish witnesses to present the Jewish Case –not permitted as Amicus Curiae!

    In itself it becomes the greatest trial in history, with what Jackson calls its broad departure from Anglo-Saxon legal tradition. Retroactively “aggressive war-making” becomes criminally punishable–with membership in the Gestapo prima facie proof of criminal participation. He seems to think very well of Felix Frankfurter and glorifies Ben Cardozo and Brandeis.”

    Rabbi Stephen Wise, the person who was directed by Louis Brandeis, capo tutti capi of worldwide zionism, to extract “all 587,000 German Jews out of Germany,” (according to Wise’s own words in his Autobiography,) and who told Henry Morgenthau, Jr. in 1942 that “Germans were making soap out of Jewish flesh,” (according to Morgenthau’s diaries) — that person was discussing with the judge who was to preside over the pre-judged trial of German military leaders — was to be a witness for “the Jewish Case”!!

    Surely Rabbi Stephen Wise is culpable for inciting to war and murder.

    There is no statute of limitations in murder cases, but if the perpetrator is deceased, can he/she be tried and his heirs and estate seized as restitution/reparation/punishment?

  1118. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth3

    Methinks you’re on to something, Truth3.

    Fran Macadam of yore is conservative-to-reactionary, but this particular screed is a bit out of character.
    ///

    looked over Macadam’s archive —

    The Smoke book seems to have fogged Fran’s brain.
    & there’s a whiff of a suggestion that Fran has had some health problems lately.

    Whatever.

    Macadam’s comment @418 is the definition of intellectually unserious.
    The lady / laddy doth project too much.

  1119. MarkinLA says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    The revisionists aren’t saying there were no Jews killed or even that there were only a few, only that there was no industrial scale extermination program. Plenty of innocent people were worked to death or summarily executed for little or no reason.

    Just for the record, I am neither. I am just some dumb goy tired of hearing endlessly about the holocaust, Jews, Isreal, and anti-Semitism in the media.

    The real issue is why do Jews have to be the highest on the victim totem pole and why aren’t we allowed to question any of the “facts”.

    Just for giggles today I tried to search on YouTube for “holocaust lies” and there was nothing in the search. youtube will not let anybody see any content that disagrees with the narrative.

    Also for giggles I was listening to Rush Limbaugh and he had a black guy talking about racism and its distortion as used by the left. Rush agreed and added: “iI you disagree with a black you are racist, if you disagree with a woman you are sexist” and then he stopped. Why didn’t he also add disagreeing with a Jew is now anti-Semitism. Even he knows he can’t say that.

    • Replies: @Oemikitlob
    , @turtle
    , @turtle
  1120. MarkinLA says:
    @Sparkon

    The biggest problem with North America is that the entire Mississippi/Missouri watershed is a bug infested swamp for a large part of the year. Without levees to hold the water in, much of the area is pretty unfarmable. Without farming a large population is unlikely.

    I rode my bike at night after leaving Sturgis and the bugs were so think even a week after a decent rain in the summer that anything edible would be long gone without pesticides.

    The second biggest is the western desert. How many Apache, Navaho, Hopi ands others were really there given the area is prone to periodic major droughts like the one that force that Anasazi to vacate their cliff dwellings.

  1121. Robjil says:
    @Corvinus

    I am not.

    1991 war on Iraq ended on Purim

    http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1793.cfm

    This type of slaughter is expressly forbidden by the Geneva Convention, to which we are a signatory. The very idea that the fullest extent of a massive war crime such as this could go under-reported demonstrates the full authority and reach of Pentagon censors acting during wartime. This slaughter — considered to be a blood sacrifice to the Illuminati — was carried out on February 28, 1991.

    Secondly, immediately after the “Highway of Death” destruction, President Bush ordered a cessation of hostilities. The war ended on February 28, 1991. Gulf War I has been popularly called the “100 hour war”.

    February 28, 1991, was the Jewish Festival of Purim. This fact means that the slaughter of these fleeing Iraqi soldiers occurred on Purim, 1991!

    2003 war on Iraq started on Purim

    [MORE]

    In Israeli time, President Bush appeared on TV at 3:15am on March 18 and the deadline expired at 3:15am, March 20.

    Purim was celebrated this year from Sundown, March 17 through March 19. In fact, the Purim celebration this year is comprised of the following events:

    1. March 17 — Ta’anit Esther — a feast to Queen Esther, the heroine of Purim

    2. March 18 — Purim

    3. March 19 — Shushan Purim — the day Purim is celebrated in Jerusalem and other cities

    Thus, the entire 48-hour ultimatum to Saddam Hussein occurred precisely during the time of the Purim celebration!

    2011 war on Libya started on Purim

    https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/timeline-how-libya-s-revolution-came-undone

    March 19: French, British, and US military forces begin Operation Odyssey Dawn and NATO launches airstrikes to protect civilians in Benghazi.

    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/purim-2011/

    Purim begins at sunset on Saturday, March 19, 2011. Its celebration continues through sunset on Sunday, March 20, 2011.

    2019 Purim

    http://thejewishvoice.com/2019/03/22/purim-miracles-2019-golan-heights-sovereignty-announcement-jonathan-pollard-at-israeli-consulate/

    Netanyahu added: “We have a Purim miracle here. President Trump has made history. He recognized Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights, at a time when Iran is trying to use the Golan Heights as a platform to destroy Israel.

  1122. @MarkinLA

    “The real issue is why do Jews have to be the highest on the victim totem pole and why aren’t we allowed to question any of the “facts”.”

    To many/most people this is a fair and reasonable question.

    “Just for giggles today I tried to search on YouTube for “holocaust lies” and there was nothing in the search. youtube will not let anybody see any content that disagrees with the narrative.”

    Just a hunch, but I suspect that this practice has something to do with them not wanting people to realize just how popular the search/subject is. I read a statistic recently that ~60% (iirc) of Americans don’t believe the Holocaust narrative. I believe it may have been a Newsweek article.

    And racists? They aren’t difficult to spot. They want one set of rules for themselves and another for others. This is a defining characteristic of a racist.

  1123. turtle says:
    @Rurik

    cultural genocide of their sublime Baroque architecture and art

    There you go.
    Thank you for the lovely photos.
    Pleasant contrast with the “brutalist ” atrocities and “rubbish heap as design” which is all too common in modern “architecture.” Boston City Hall comes immediately my to mind, among, unfortunately, far too many other egregious assaults on the senses. Broad Museum in L.A. looks like it fell off a UPS truck and got damaged in the process. So, yeah, “ineffable beauty” is a good and fitting phrase. I like it.:)

    The final photograph of “ineffable beauty” is certainly a welcome change to the venomous anti-semenites with which we seem to be presently afflicted. Said photo provides hope the plague will eventually end.

    Thanks again.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  1124. Robjil says:
    @Corvinus

    World Events

    1917 Start of the Russian Revolution, the first one that year

    https://www.chabad.org/holidays/purim/article_cdo/aid/3605206/jewish/Purim-in-Petrogra

    That year, International Women’s Day serendipitously coincided with the festival of Purim, which marks the salvation of the Jewish people, in part through the audacious bravery of Queen Esther. Tens of thousands of men and women joined the workers of the Putilov factory who had already been striking for several days. Marching in the streets of Petrograd they demanded an end to the continuous food shortages, an end to the war, and an end to the Tsarist autocracy. Michoel Dworkin, a graduate of the Tomchei Temimim yeshiva, was in the city at the time and recalled that the Rebbe delivered a discourse marking the festival. It began with the passage from the megillah in which Haman, the arch-foe of the Jews is advised to “build a gallows fifty cubits high” (Esther, 5:14). Though originally intended for Mordechai, the righteous Jew, Haman himself was ultimately hung upon it instead. Unfortunately, no transcript of the discourse is extant.2

    1946 Nuremberg trials – Purim theme – Jewish passion play

    http://www.chiefrabbi.co.za/2012/03/purimsphiel-1946-the-purim-link-between-nazi-germany-and-nuclear-iran/

    [MORE]

    For generations different explanations have been offered. In the 20th century, however, another amazing meaning was discovered. The large vav is numerically 6, corresponding to the sixth millennium; the small tav, shin and zayin are numerically 707; together, these numbers refers to the 707th year of the sixth millennium – in other words, the Jewish year 5707, which corresponds to 1946, the year in which these ten high-ranking Nazis were hanged. Thus, the unusually sized letters – vav, tav, shin and zayin – found in the names of Haman’s ten sons allude to the year of the execution of these ten Nazi war criminals. What is further fascinating is that they were sentenced on the 1st of October, in the days between Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur of 1946, and hanged on the 16th of October, which that year came out on Hoshana Rabbah, which, according to the Zohar, is the day that judgment of the world is finalized.

    1953 Purim – Stalin poisoned

    https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Purim-miracle-of-1953-483994

    Purim in 1953 fell on March 1. On that day, Haman-Stalin had a stroke. Soon came the tyrant’s death. A heavenly stroke brought down the villain on the eve of the terrible stroke Stalin was about to inflict upon the Jewish people.

  1125. @Robjil

    Yes, a pattern of too many “coincidences” suggests a deliberate design.

    • Agree: Robjil
  1126. turtle says:
    @Robjil

    Iran?
    Benny needs to look at a map.
    And him an MIT grad.
    In architecture, no less.
    But after that he went to the Sloan School, which I guess is where he learned to operate a bullshit factory. Pretty good at it, too.

    B-B-Benny and his (U. S. taxpayer suppled) jets…
    So spaced out…

    • Replies: @Robjil
  1127. turtle says:
    @Germanicus

    Belief is not knowing.

    Well said.

  1128. turtle says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Well reasoned post, IMO, Franklin.
    Laws of nature cannot be suspended to gratify the whim of someone’s dogma.
    Mass is always conserved (well, mass plus energy, but we are talking low energy processes, not nuclear physics). Bodies have to go somewhere. If there are no bodies, then where are the people? Visiting their relatives in Australia? Dead in a ditch somewhere? Eaten by wolves? Maybe. But they went somewhere. “They’ve gone missing” is only a temporary, and very unsatisfactory, answer.
    Nice job.

  1129. Robjil says:
    @turtle

    Trump wasn’t going to give Iran to Israel this Purim.

    Nethie was probably disappointed, so Nethie added the line that Golan Heights has Iranian soldiers on it. This makes a Iranian connection for Nethie. It also comforts Nethie that this small Purim gift in 2019 was OK.

    Former Presidents gave much larger Purim gifts

    Bush father gave Israel an ending to the attack on Iraq by fire bombing surrendering Iraqi soldiers on Purim 1991

    Bush son gave Israel the nation of Iraq as a Purim gift on 2003. The gift was the beginning of the total destruction of Iraq which began on Purim 2003.

    Obama gave Israel the nation of Libya on Purim 2011. The gift was the beginning of the total destruction of Libya starting on Purim 2011.

    Trump did not give Israel such a big gift this Purim, like Iran. If he does go after Iran, it will be related to some Jewish holiday or theme.

    • Replies: @turtle
  1130. @Carolyn Yeager

    Stalin was cruel but not genocidal without reason. He had the total population of Chechens and Ingush deported from their North Caucasus home to work camps in Central Asia in 1944 during WW II, but that was after an insurgency of the Chechens and because he suspected them of collaboration with the Germans. Of the 496,000 Chechens at least one quarter perished, but there was no genocide of all of them. They were allowed to return under Khrushchev in 1957.

    What reason could Stalin possibly have to do the same with the Jewish inmates of work camps and ghettos that the Nazis supposedly built on Russian soil and that were liberated by his troops? And even if he did that, surely some Jews would have survived and have told their story. But that did not happen. Ergo, this scenario is not very likely.

    The burden of proof is indeed on the accuser, not on the accused, but the revisionists have done just that : proving that the mass extermination of Jews by gas chambers in the concentration camps did not happen.

    However in the case of the fate of the deported Jews to the East, the burden to explain what happened to them is on the Nazis (or their defenders). They deported them, they are bound to explain why they are “missing”.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  1131. turtle says:
    @MarkinLA

    Also for giggles I was listening to Rush Limbaugh

    No doubt. Comic relief. 🙂 LOL
    Song by Hank Card:
    I listen to Rush Limbaugh,
    ’cause it helps to ease my pain.
    He makes lots of sense,
    If you’re man with half a brain.

    (from his song “Half a Man”)

    If you don’t know the song:

    I drive my old nine wheeler
    Up I Two and a half
    The other truckers pity me
    So they try not to laugh.
    I pull into Yreka
    And check in to Motel 3
    They’ve always got
    A little room for me.

    Half a man,
    I’m half a man…

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  1132. @Genrick Yagoda

    Damn airlines must be antee-Sumitik. Did they initiate a pogrom too?

  1133. annamaria says:
    @Fran Macadam

    The greatest supporter of Nuland-Kagan and the ziocons-run’ regime change in Ukraine: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/07/ukraine-voters-defeat-second-color-revolution.html#comments
    “And now for the march of the Fascists led by the Iron Maiden of Galicia, Chrystia Freeland employing all Canada’s power and credibility to restore the Galician Nazis from whose loins she came.”

    “Why Is This Canadian Foreign Minister ‘Proud’ of Her Family’s Nazi Past?:” https://observer.com/2017/03/chrystia-freeland-foreign-minister-canada-nazi-grandfather/

    “A Nazi Skeleton in the Family Closet:” https://consortiumnews.com/2017/02/27/a-nazi-skeleton-in-the-family-closet/

    So, it appears Freeland’s grandfather – rather than being a helpless victim – was given a prestigious job to spread Nazi propaganda, praising Hitler from a publishing house stolen from Jews and given to Ukrainians who shared the values of Nazism.

    On April 24, 1940, Krakivski Visti published a full-page panegyric to Adolf Hitler dedicated to his 51st birthday (four days earlier). Chomiak also hailed Governor-General Hans Frank: “The Ukrainian population were overjoyed to see the establishment of fair German authority, the bearer of which is you, Sir Governor-General. The Ukrainian people expressed this joy not only through the flowers they threw to the German troops entering the region, but also through the sacrifices of blood required to fight Polish usurpers.” (Because of Frank’s role in the Holocaust, the Nuremberg Tribunal found him guilty of crimes against humanity and executed him.)

    Beyond extolling Hitler and his henchmen, Chomiak rejoiced over Nazi military victories, including the terror bombings of Great Britain. While praising the Third Reich, Krakivski Visti was also under orders by the German authorities to stir up hatred against the Jewish population. Editorial selections from Chomiak’s newspaper can be found in Holocaust museums around the world, such as the one in Los Angeles, California.

    The Nov. 6, 1941 issue of Krakivski Visti ecstatically describes how much better Kiev is without Jews. “There is not a single one left in Kiev today, while there were 350,000 under the Bolsheviks,” the newspaper wrote, gloating that the Jews “got their comeuppance.”

    That “comeuppance” refers to the mass shooting of Kiev’s Jewish population at Babi Yar. In just two days, Sept. 29-30, 1941, a total of 33,771 people were murdered, a figure that does not include children younger than three years old. There were more shootings in October, and by early November, Krakivski Visti was enthusing over a city where the Jewish population had “disappeared” making Kiev “beautiful, glorious.” Chomiak’s editorials also described a Poland “iinfected by Jews.”

  1134. turtle says:
    @MarkinLA

    The real issue is why do Jews have to be the highest on the victim totem pole
    Well, you know that, Mark.
    Same reason anyone else wants to be at top of the totem pole.
    Second Law of Plumbing.

    why aren’t we allowed to question any of the “facts”.

    You might think that, if large numbers of your tribe had been murdered, anyone who could prove (prove, mind you) the death toll was significantly lower than previously believed would be greeted with great rejoicing ,and welcomed with open arms. Even someone who could not yet prove his thesis, but though he might be on the verge of doing so, might reasonably be expect a cordial welcome among those affected. Why is that not the case? Why display hostility towards some one who might just have good news for you, unless you have something to hide?

  1135. @MarkinLA

    It makes me laugh all these airmchair Presidents who think the US was the bad guy in all this.

    What’s so funny about getting involved in an unnecessary war unnecessarily and in support of international communism and Zionism?

    I’d call that hideous, not ludicrous.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  1136. annamaria says:
    @Fran Macadam

    An Israeli citizen Kolomoisky, a financier of the neo-nazi battalion Azov (see auto-da-fe of civilians in Odessa) and prominent swindler: https://russia-insider.com/en/how-christine-lagarde-clinton-and-nuland-funded-massive-ukrainian-ponzi-scheme/ri27390

    What is missing is an explanation of why it has taken so long for the case against Kolomoisky to surface in the US courts and in the US press. Also missing is a list of the accomplices and co-conspirators in the scheme. These include officials of the IMF and the US and Canadian Governments who knowingly directed billions of dollars into the NBU, from which, as they knew full well at the time, the money went out to Kolomoisky’s Privat Bank, the largest single Ukrainian recipient of the international cash.

  1137. turtle says:
    @Robjil

    Beats the hell out of gold, frankincense and myrhhe, doesn’t it”
    Heavy on the gold, Donny boy;.

  1138. Wally says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    – I have repeatedly posted what “happened” to Jews, essentially they went where Jews are. You predictably dodged each of the many examples in my posts #302, #372 and others.

    I also raised the fact that the outbound train records, which would necessarily have shown the contents of the trains, have predictably ‘disappeared’ in my post #1053 which you also dodged.

    – If you don’t beliive in the fake gas chambers, then good, you’re getting it..
    But being a Zionist / Jew you just can’t let go.
    You absurdly cling to ‘millions of Jews being shoot by the Einsatzgruppen’.

    – Now, your brethren claim that the human remains of those supposedly gassed, which you now say you reject, are in known, precisely stated locations

    – AND your brethren also allege millions were supposedly shot into enormous mass graves, which is your new fall back, move the goalposts position; aka: desperate.

    Your brethren Jews claim that the human remains of millions upon millions supposedly shot are in known, precisely stated locations, which I also mentioned in my post #126. and many others.

    So, bottom line, show us the alleged immense human remains that your Jews claim exist.

    After all, it’s your lot which say ‘vast numbers of Jew & others human remains are in known mass graves’, not me, not Revisionists

    Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the ‘holocaust’ storyline is the message.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  1139. anon[186] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    You must really enjoy pressing your ad hominem button.

    You must really enjoy jerking your little jew half-dick to jew holycau$e porn:

    https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/national-library-of-israel-s-hidden-stalag-collection

    The jew holycaus$e is historical fact!!!!!!!!!

    The jew holycaus$e is historical fact!!!!!!!!!

    The jew holycaus$e is historical fact!!!!!!!!!

    Have you cum yet?

  1140. renfro says:
    @turtle

    Are you, or do you know, any Vietnam veterans? I am not, myself, but all the ones I have known had, and continue to have, serious psychological problems. These people (combat veterans from any war) are easy to spot, once you know what to look for. Some have physical problems as well

    Not really…my older brother ,Lt.US Marine Corp 1966-1970-Vietnam-1966-67, -3 Purple Hearts, Two Bronze Stars, One Silver Star…….came back , got married, had two children and happy life.
    No one however gets thru without some change even if its not ‘affecting’ their everyday lives.
    Guys with PTSD were ‘inclined’ for whatever reason to have more trauma than the guy who went thru the same thing and didn’t.
    Also drugs is one of the biggest problems of Vietnam vets….the drug culture was in full bloom during those years….boys who used drugs going in were more likely to use them once out which added to their mental and physical problems.

  1141. MarkinLA says:
    @turtle

    I only listen in the car and there is nothing else on local radio worth listening to. If I do bring my Sirius radio, I listen to 60s on 6 or the underground garage.

  1142. turtle says:

    3 Purple Hearts, Two Bronze Stars, One Silver Star

    Wow. Respect.

    got married, had two children and happy life.

    Good for him. Glad to hear it.

    PTSD were ‘inclined’ for whatever reason to have more trauma

    PTSD is trauma. It is, unfortunately, very real.
    Unfortunately, I got picked to be a (very junior) member of that club. GF, previously described, said, “Well you are one of us now.” At the time, I had no idea what she was talking about. I found out.
    But, my experience in civilian life (auto accident) pales beside that of those like your brother , or my late friend David, who were out in the bush for an extended period. It boggles my mind to even contemplate what they must have seen. But everyone responds differently, and time does heal.
    For me, I found that I had some kind of emotional radar that could detect those who had been through something, whatever it was, and knew to a) give them their personal space, b) not push it, but c) be there it they wanted to open up about it. Some did, others did not.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @renfro
  1143. RobinG says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    My bad, can’t resist. Now that he’s back to torture us, I hope plenty haunts him, like “Scranton …. filled with sad, desperate people with no ambition…”

    VP Debate: Sarah Palin and Joe Biden – SNL

  1144. Wally says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Anyone can claim that so & so said whatever they want.

    ‘Hey, the guy down the street said he saw the devil having sex with my next door neighbor’.

    So what?
    That certainly is not proof.

    Reminder, there are countless courtroom statements made by “eyewitnesses” & “survivors” to witchcraft & sorcery. Many, many more than your laughable, made up “holocaust” Communist / Zionist creations.

  1145. Wally says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Here’s what Franklyn Ryckaert and his pals call proof of the absurdly alleged ‘Einsatzgruppen mass murder of millions’.

    An obviously fake photo claimed to be “proof”, as published by the ‘Times of Israel’:

    caption: Photo taken from the body of a dead German officer killed in Russia, showing a Nazi firing squad shooting Jews in the back as they sit beside their own mass grave, in Babi Yar, Kiev, 1942.
    from:
    Babi Yar / Trial for 3 Alleged members of Firing Squads? / Fake Pictures & more
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11869

    No alleged human remains of millions to be seen in allegedly known locations, no ‘holocaust’.

  1146. I would not have believed it possible, but my admiration for Giraldi’s bravery has further increased. It’s time to stop caving to the crybullies of the Holocaust Industry. I won’t deny that the Nazis committed horrific crimes against humanity. But I refused to accept that the details of said crimes cannot be questioned.

  1147. @Rurik

    The most openly racist person I ever met was a Zionist Jew I met at a meeting of an electrical engineering organization. When I expressed sympathy for the suffering of Palestinians, the man jumped down my throat, though I went out of my way to say that terrorism was never justified.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  1148. renfro says:
    @turtle

    But everyone responds differently, and time does heal.

    Yes, thank God.
    The main thing I noticed about my brother is that he does not talk about it, ever….isn’t one who joins any veteran group, doesnt display his medals or citations in his den where family pictures hang on the walls….the only thing in his den connected to Vietnam is a very small framed snapshot on his desk of him and two guys standing in front of a camp bunker. I think the only reason he has that is he mailed it to me while he was in Vietnam and I gave it back to him when he came home.

  1149. renfro says:
    @turtle

    PTSD is trauma. It is, unfortunately, very real.

    Yes it is real …when I said ‘more inclined’ I wasn’t inferring any kind of inferiorly in having PTSD…….once when suicide among vets came up with a retired military doctor in my circle he said it wasn’t about who was tough enough ‘take the horrors’ and those who weren’t….that it was usually those most ‘sensitive’ to human life and having to take it that suffered the most.

    Personally I think most vets suffer from the realization that war is a fucking political game played by monsters and that the soldiers on both side are their toys……even if they wont admit it andmany wont…..are afraid to admit it to themselves……those who do admit it usually have PTSD in spades.

    • Agree: turtle
    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  1150. turtle says:

    The main thing I noticed about my brother is that he does not talk about it,
    ever

    Yep. They never do.

  1151. renfro says:
    @Corvinus

    You are being patently dishonest here

    Speaking of dishonest…..probably few are aware that most of reports on war time Jews came from none other than Jews themselves.
    As in this report from the Geneva Office of the Jewish Agency for Palestine….that claims:…… ”Their corpses are utilized for making fats and their bones for the manufacture of fertilizer. Corpses are even being exhumed for these purposes. ”
    Who believes that Germans had enough time on their hands to dig up Jewish corpses to make fertilizer or soap?
    This is where all the tales started—-with the Jewish groups. They bombarded various governments with this kind of propaganda and circulated it to the press.

    The President’s Personal Representative to Pope Pius XII (Taylor) to the Cardinal Secretary of State (Maglione)
    Vatican City, September 26, 1942
    .

    My Dear Cardinal Maglione: I have the honor to bring to the attention of Your Eminence the following memorandum which has been received from my Government:

    “The following was received from the Geneva Office of the Jewish Agency for Palestine in a letter dated August 30th, 1942. That office received the report from two reliable eye-witnesses (Aryans), one of whom came on August 14th from Poland.

    “(1) Liquidation of the Warsaw Ghetto is taking place. Without any distinction all Jews, irrespective of age or sex, are being removed from the Ghetto in groups and shot. Their corpses are utilized for making fats and their bones for the manufacture of fertilizer. Corpses are even being exhumed for these purposes.

    “(2) These mass executions take place, not in Warsaw, but in especially prepared camps for the purpose, one of which is stated to be in Belzek. About 50,000 Jews have been executed in Lemberg itself on the spot during the past month. According to another report, 100,000 have been massacred in Warsaw. There is not one Jew left in the entire district east of Poland, including occupied Russia, It is also reported, in this connection, that the entire non-Jewish population of Sebastopol was murdered. So as not to attract the attention of foreign countries, the butchering of the Jewish population in Poland was not done at one single time.
    “(3) Jews deported from Germany, Belgium, Holland, France, and Slovakia are sent to be butchered, while Aryans deported to the East from Holland and France are genuinely used for work.
    “(4) Inasmuch as butchering of this kind would attract great attention in the west, they must first of all deport them to the East, where less opportunity is afforded to outsiders of knowing what is going on. During the last few weeks a large part of the Jewish population deported to Lithuania and Lublin has already been executed. That is probably the reason why the deportees were not permitted to have correspondence with any one. A great number of the German refugees were taken to Theresienstadt. This place, however, is only an interim station and the people there await the same fate.
    “(5) Arrangements are made for new deportations as soon as space is made by executions. Caravans of such deportees being transported in cattle cars are often seen. There are about forty people in each cattle car. It is especially significant to note that Lithuanian non-Jews are entrusted with fetching the candidates from the death Ghetto in Warsaw.

    https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1942v03/d660

  1152. renfro says:

    Interesting……..

    Foreign Relations of the United States Diplomatic Papers, 1940, General and Europe, Volume II

    871.4016/241
    The Minister in Rumania (Gunther) to the Secretary of State
    No. 1535
    Bucharest, August 23, 1940.
    [Received September 17.]

    Sir:
    Pursuant to the observations regarding the present treatment of Jews in Rumania contained in my despatch No. 1502 of July 20, [Page 769]1940, I now have the honor to report that in the course of a conversation with Prime Minister Gigurtu last Sunday I referred to the new Decree Law regulating the status of Jews in Rumania, the text of which is being sent to the Department separately. I observed that the Jews in Rumania did not seem to be deeply disturbed to date by this legislation, which M. Gigurtu said was the case, since Jews living in cities did not particularly mind the expropriation of land held by rural Jews. He continued by remarking that Rumania this time was positively going to get rid of the surplus of Jews who had proved themselves undesirable. Having heard it said that Hitler had held out hope in some recent conversations with Rumanian officials in Germany that Madagascar would soon be available for the settlement of all surplus European Jews, I mentioned this report. The Prime Minister immediately corrected me by saying that it was Rhodesia and not Madagascar which was in the Fuehrer’s mind as there was some gold there which would give them a welcome occupation. M. Gigurtu observed that even if they were eventually settled there it would probably not be long before a large part found ways and means to leave for other destinations. I asked him what he proposed to do meanwhile with the Jews dispossessed here or otherwise unemployed as a sequence to this new Decree Law and whether Russia would not take them into Bessarabia. He said that on the contrary the Russian authorities were refusing now to accept any more Jews and that as a matter of fact many rich Jews of Bessarabia had succeeded in getting out and into Rumania proper.

  1153. Rastus says:
    @renfro

    Problem:

    NAACP was founded by Jews and they still run it behind the scenes from the litigation-extortion department.

  1154. @Wally

    Don’t keep calling me a Jew or Zionist, I am neither. Not everybody who is not a Nazi enthusiast is a Jew. Is that so difficult to undersyand ? Nor do I make the claims, like some Jews do, that there are mass graves of Jews in the East. I do not know what happened to the Jews who were deported to the East, but I am of the opinion that the Nazis (or their defendants) have to explain what happened to them. You demand that the Jews indicate where those alleged mass graves in the East are. Very well, is it asking too much to demand where those work camps or ghettos were to which the Jews are alleged to have been deported ? And what happened to them after they were liberated by the Russians? At least 100,000 Dutch Jews and 400,000 Hungarian Jews were deported. If they were not killed in camps like Auschwitz but deported to the East what happened to them? Your comment nr. 302 is not about that question. Your comment nr. 372 is, but its answers are not satisfactory. My reaction :

    1) “Influx of 3,000,000 Jews”, news paper clip could be the solution to the problem if it were known where those Jews came from. As such it offers no details to be of worth.
    2) J.Graf “illogical canard”. It is not “illogical” at all to ask what happened to people who were not murdered but deported elsewhere.
    3) 1,250,000-1,500,000 Jews were Polish Jews and not Jews from West Europe.
    4) Again no Jews from West Europe but from Poland, Rumania and the Baltic states.
    5) “Jews went were Jews are”. Only if it can be demonstrated that they were recent immigrants from their places of deportation.

    • Replies: @j2
  1155. Wally says: • Website
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    More on your illogical & desperate “where did they go” / “missing Jews” canard:

    “After the war, many Jews stayed in Europe and many others scattered throughout the world, settling in nearly sixty countries. So it was that in the late 1990s the teams put in charge by Steven Spielberg of gathering survivors’ testimonies had to go to nearly sixty different countries to record the said testimonies on video”

    https://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/2009/03/alleged-holocaust-of-jews-is-proving.html

  1156. @Rurik

    There is dispute whatsoever, that the allied countries have been taken over by Jews.
    However, I do think the Brits and Americans have to own up to their devilish deeds they committed for Jewry.
    It wasn’t Jews who opened the bomb ducts in the bombers, it was European Americans, many of German decent, brainwashed and incited by the Jews.

    What are the chances the US and Brits would apologize, or the Russians for that matter?
    They can’t, they all have signed up with the official narrative at Potsdam conference.

    I think chances are higher the US gets destroyed in an eventual war against Iran, before they would apologize for the terror and repression they brought dubbed “liberation”.

    • Agree: annamaria
    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @turtle
    , @S
  1157. @turtle

    High school Latin, but hardly a scholar. The way you have it seems “good” to me!

    Here’s a classic quote with a similar point.

    Per aspera ad astra.

    • Replies: @turtle
  1158. @Fidelios Automata

    I went out of my way to say that terrorism was never justified.

    Little doubt it was that that pissed him off.

  1159. @renfro

    A really good friend of mine, now deceased, was a Marine veteran of Vietnam. He was a good guy but very conflicted. He was fiercely patriotic yet well aware of how wrong that war was. His younger brother enlisted after seeing him come home in his uniform but his brother died in Nam and he blamed himself. He drank heavily and died much too young. I miss his good humour and worldly opinions, he was always good for a reality check. He often said that the war in Vietnam and NASA had wasted America.

  1160. Rurik says:
    @turtle

    hope the plague will eventually end.

    alas, not as long as ((they)) own the Fed, and can hit a few keys on their computer keyboard and create trillions of federal reserve notes out of thin air.

    Woodrow Wilson really fucked the Western World and its people but good.

    • Replies: @turtle
  1161. Rurik says:
    @Germanicus

    There is dispute whatsoever, that the allied countries have been taken over by Jews.
    However, I do think the Brits and Americans have to own up to their devilish deeds they committed for Jewry.

    And the Russians under the Bolshevik regime, are they somehow uniquely chaste?

    What about all those French people who bombed Libya and sent her reeling into the dystopia it is today? Obviously they did that because it was ‘good for the Jews’, so why are they immune to criticism?

    Look at all the loot and armaments that the German people are sending over to murderous Israel. Dolphin class submarines that can be used for launching nuclear missiles. Why are Hans and Hannah all so innocent, if the working and middle classes are to blame for the crimes of a nation’s elites?

    Do the working class British school girls systematically gang raped by middle aged immigrant men getting what they deserve?

    I don’t think so. I think Tony Blair and his apologists are the ones to blame, not some English bloke struggling to get by.

    The “royal” family is a house of rot, but not the British working and middle class.

    Not as far as I can see.

    What are the chances the US and Brits would apologize, or the Russians for that matter?
    They can’t, they all have signed up with the official narrative at Potsdam conference.

    The criminal enormities of Yalta and Potsdam are not the work of the British or American or Russian working people.

    Churchill and Stalin and FDR were rats who all worked for global Jewish supremacism. Just like Trump and May and now Boris.

    I don’t blame some Brit on the street for what May and Boris Johnson do. They are the enemies of the British people. Just like Churchill and Stalin and FDR, et al.. were the enemies of the British and Russian and American people, respectively.

    People say ‘the Americans’, and presume to be talking about the American people, when what they’re lamenting are the crimes of the (((American government))).

    You have to understand please, that the American government is the worst enemy that the American people have.

    Just as the British government (and media) are the most intractable and committed enemy of England that exists.

    Ditto France, ditto Germany.

    Do you think that the German people should be on the hook for the crimes of the German government today?

    Should I take it up with my German neighbor that he has put an 89 year old women in prison for doubting some tenet of the holy Holocaust?

    Should I bang on his door, and demand ‘what the fuck is wrong with you?! Jailing a genteel lady for telling the truth?! God damn you!!!

    ‘But I didn’t do it’, he may protest. And even agree with the lady. But it doesn’t matter!!!!

    You are guilty for what your government does!!!!!!!!!

    Even as it persecutes and tries to genocide you, it is you doing that to you!!!

    Because we’re all guilty of what our governments do, huh?

    Nelson Mandela was guilty of what the white, Apartheid government did. He was a South African, and that government persecuted blacks, and so Nelson was just as guilty, huh?

    You can not, (nobody can), imagine just how much I hate the fecal government in Washington, DC.

    I was elated the say John McCain met his well-earned reward.

    No one should celebrate the death of a fellow human being, but I did.

    And I’d feel the same way about Hillary and Lindsey and Tom Cotton and Tony Blair.

    These are the worst enemies that the American and British people have. No Iraqi or Syrian or Libyan in a million years could have done as much evil to America or England than Hillary or Blair have done, even if they’ve done even more evil to Iraq and Syria and Libya.

    So I just don’t hate the average Brit or Yank or German or Russian or anyone else for the demonic crimes of their vassal governments.

    Most people are utterly powerless, and most are lied to, and struggling to get by. They’re often ground up as cannon fodder, and looted and marginalized and hated by their governments.

    So you see it’s mutual. They call us irredeemable and deplorable, and we hate them back with equal rancor.

    • Agree: turtle
    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @annamaria
  1162. turtle says:
    @Rurik

    You didn’t read my post. 🙂
    I was referring to the photo of the lovely young woman, a refreshing contrast to the misandrist, strident “feminists” with which we are presently afflicted, for whom I invented a pejorative.
    I suppose people see what they want to see. 🙂

    • Replies: @Rurik
  1163. turtle says:
    @Germanicus

    bomb ducts

    bomb bay doors is what you mean
    Note that Americans of Japanese descent were never sent to fight in the Pacific.
    There was a well known U.S. Senator, Daniel Inouye,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Inouye
    who fought very bravely with U.S. Army in Germany.

    Had the U.S. military adopted a policy of not sending citizens of German descent to fight against the homeland of their ancestors, they would have been seriously under strength.
    German surnames are very prominent among U.S. military leaders of that era, as we all know.

  1164. Rurik says:
    @turtle

    I was referring to the photo of the lovely young woman,

    I know, and my point was simply a lament that such things are doomed.

    a refreshing contrast to the misandrist, strident “feminists” with which we are presently afflicted,

    someone recently sent me this

    what they want to see.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @turtle
  1165. S says:
    @Germanicus

    I think chances are higher the US gets destroyed in an eventual war against Iran, before they would apologize for the terror and repression they brought dubbed “liberation”.

    I’d had a much more extensive response but it ‘disappeared’, ah well. 🙂

    Regarding US hubris, there’s a lot of close parallels at present with Donald Trump, Mike Pompeo, Jared Kushner, and Rome’s ‘First Triumvirate’ consisting of Crassus, Pompey, and Caeser.

    It was the Roman billionaire and real estate speculator Crassus’ decision to launch a catastrophic military campaign against Parthia (present day Iran) which would ultimately result in both his legions and his demise, and all that followed..ie the murder of Pompey, the Dictatorship of Caeser followed by his assassination, resulting in another bitter civil war, all of which culminated in the end of the Republic, and the commencement of the Empire.

    In light of that past history and what ultimately transpired, the best thing Trump, Pompeo, and Kushner, could each do is quietly resign, and go home, and enjoy their families, that’s if they even can.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Triumvirate

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_new_rome_or_the_united_states_of_the_world_1853

  1166. Anon[374] • Disclaimer says:

    The uniform and widely acknowledged anti-nationalist modern media propaganda effort and the accompanying journalistic neglect and lies is enough to question their supported holocaust and greater WWII narrative.

    That’s the liability when associating with and depending on proven liars: they taint everything else that they touch.

  1167. @Rurik

    And the Russians under the Bolshevik regime, are they somehow uniquely chaste?

    Huh? You somehow missed this…

    What are the chances the US and Brits would apologize, or the Russians for that matter?

    I am saying, the Russians as legal successor to the Soviet Union get enough blame, rightfully so, but somehow the Brits and US constantly escape the blame by pointing fingers at the Russians.
    It is the Russians who are willing to sign peace, not the US or Brits, who have declared the topic taboo, and advance their pet project “EU” to dissolve this problem.

    Ditto France, ditto Germany.

    Do you think that the German people should be on the hook for the crimes of the German government today?

    You can’t compare France and Germany in that regard, Germany is still enemy state to UN, which has deep consequences to this day. I could go into very much detail from a legal pov, but it is sufficient that you know that the “Federal Republic of Germany” is a criminal private company, without a valid electoral law, it is not the German nation state but an occupation construct to maintain public peace until a peace treaty has been signed.

    So in short, yes, I would heavily fine the remaining ~50% voters, the 1000% convinced ones, for committing high treason against the state and German peoples. The entire political mafia has to be removed for high treason, so Germany can be reorganized to sign peace.

    The lies about Germany did not stop after 1945, it is a deep legal rabbit hole of crimes, lies, deceit.

    Funnily, this guy from “The Left”(successor to communist SED) just tells you, that occupied Germany is not a country like France in the legal sense.
    “Germany is not a sovereign country like France”, let alone France is not sovereign since 1945 as well. The topic is a hot potato and very much a taboo to talk about it.

    My thought is accountability of democracies and their voters.

    • Replies: @turtle
    , @Rurik
    , @annamaria
  1168. Wally says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Your mentioned shyster, the no-proof Ian Kershaw, is further debunked here:

    What was known about “The Holocaust” – and when?
    By Wilfried Heink : https://codoh.com/library/document/4521/
    Evidence for the German Euthanasia Program Compared to the “Holocaust”
    By John Wear : https://codoh.com/library/document/4885/
    The NS State and how the “Endlösung” developed: https://revblog.codoh.com/category/holocaust/

    As for your absurd belief in the impossible claims about Treblinka:

    According to Polish-Jewish historian Rachel Auerbach, fuel to burn bodies was not needed at Treblinka because the bodies of women, which had more fat, “were used to kindle, or, more accurately put, to build the fires among the piles of corpses…” Even more incredible, she wrote that “blood, too, was found to be first-class combustion material.”[25]

    from: Nazis Defied Laws of Nature To Gas Millions & Vanish The Bodies! True!
    https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2017/09/13/nazis-defied-laws-of-nature-to-gas-millions-vanish-the-bodies-true/

  1169. Wally says: • Website
    @Bardon Kaldian

    – Yet your “Holocaust Industry” claims that ca. 4,000,000 Jews died in ‘gas chambers’ and another ca. 2,000,000 Jews were shot by the Einsatzgruppen into huge pits / mass graves.

    – Your “Holocaust Industry” also claims that the vast human remains of all of those, and an additional ‘5,000,000 others’, are in well known, specific locations.

    – Please show us the claimed human remains said to reside in immense ‘mass graves’.

    – Please tell us how your alleged ‘gas chambers’ supposedly worked.

    In the meantime:
    The alleged Auschwitz homicidal gassing process reviewed and demolished here.
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11143&p=83723&hilit=model+asmarques#p83723

    Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the ‘holocaust’ storyline is the message.

  1170. @Rurik

    Black-red-gold are masonic colors for Germany, Weimar had the same colors, and current FRG is a continuation of Weimar.

    The German national flag is black-white-red.

    • Agree: Fox
    • Replies: @turtle
  1171. annamaria says:
    @Rurik

    “Most people are utterly powerless, and most are lied to, and struggling to get by.”

    — Agree. Someone wrote that Jews found their “promised land” in the US — security, prosperity, egalite et cet. Instead of cherishing this land, the “chosen” have been doing their usual business of using the people of the land for a mega-project of Eretz Israel.

    The ever disloyal activists of AIPAC, ADL, and 52 main Jewish American organizations have been singing their “next year in Jerusalem” while whipping the horses of wars for Israel.

    The zionized CIA and profiteering MIC joined hands with the “chosen.” As a result, we become blessed with the Wars of Aggression in the Middle East (the zionized EU governments eagerly joined the mass slaughter and theft), with regime change in Ukraine that since then become the Land of Victorious Banderites, and with the vicious Russophobia that peaked at Russiagate, designed and implemented by the incompetent MI6/CIA/FBI. The names of D. Alperovich, R. Rosenstein, A. Weissman, S. Halper and such punctuating the Russiagate saga, whereas the Kagans’ clan became immortalized by cooperation with Pravyi Sector of self-proclaimed neo-Nazi.

    The social media (when uncontrolled by zionists) demands justice. Some commenters remind that 109 countries expelled Jews for bad behavior.

    The Jewish community at large has been supporting the zionists warmongering, as well as the land theft and supremacist policies of the Jewish State. Meanwhile, popular disgust with zionism has been growing unabated, for obvious reasons.

    A healthy sense of self-preservation should have helped the “chosen” to figure out that it is dangerous and stupid to poison wells in the same village where you live. Either the Jewish Community grows a moral fiber and teaches the young to respect non-Jewish neighbors and the laws of the land, or the well-deserved disgust towards zionists could spill into a wave of hostilities against all Jews.
    Holobiz-industry will not help.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  1172. Corvinus says:
    @Robjil

    You are constantly changing the goal posts. Do you also enjoy playing telephone?

    You began by saying–“This concept of attacking civilians to “win” a war is an Torah/Old Testament tactic.”

    I corrected you by saying that it is tactic employed by humanity and the leaders of nations.

    You then went to “This idea of attacking civilians is a very Jewish theme since it is in the Torah.”

    I corrected you again by saying this theme is humanity based, not Jewish based.

    Next, you went to “It is not a human phenomenon it is now a Torah based phenomenon. Other humans have done similar things in the past on a smaller scale but not on the massive scale since the Torah based world came into being in 1913.

    Note that you included the word “now”. So you do tacitly admit that attacking civilians during war is a human phenomenon, but suddenly offered that caveat as well as an assumption (Torah based world came into being in 1913). Nations since that time frame who engaged in war and attacked civilians do so on their own volition, of their own designs. You have to clearly establish how this “Torah world” came into existence and how every nation who has been at war and attacked civilians are beholden to it. In other words, prove how that specific world came into being on that date for ALL nations of the world.

    Then after my response, you changed gears and said “[There are] Torah and Jewish religious connections to Middle East wars and world events”.

    Wow, just wow.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @turtle
  1173. Robjil says:
    @Corvinus

    We in the west live in a Zion and State. There is no Church and State in the past hundred years. The latest Zion and State game is Destroy Seven Nations for Yahweh’s Israel.

    Here are some principles of our Zion and State. The Seven Nations can be destroyed endless. New ones can be chosen as needed for our Zion and State.

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/961561/jewish/Positive-Commandment-187.htm

    Since these seven nations no longer exist4 a person could think that this commandment is not noheg l’doros [for all generations5]. But only someone who does not understand the concept of noheg l’doros would think such a thing. A command that can be fulfilled without being limited to a certain time is considered noheg l’doros, because if the act would become possible in any generation, the mitzvah would apply.

    Amaleks and Seven Nations to Destroy are like weeds in our Zion and State. Endless Amalek and Seven Nations to Destroy need to be removed all the time according our Zion and State.

    When G‑d will totally destroy the descendants of Amalek and remove them for all time — as will be speedily in our days, as G‑d (exalted be He) promised,6 “I will wipe out the memory of Amalek” — will we say that the mitzvah to wipe out the memory of Amalek7 was not noheg l’doros? This is not true, for in any generation when one finds a descendant of Amalek, he must be killed. The same applies to this mitzvah of killing all descendants of the seven nations, which is a milchemes mitzvah. In every generation we are required to uproot them and search after them down to the last individual. We did this until King David destroyed them completely, with the survivors being scattered and assimilated among the nations until they disappeared.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  1174. prawda [AKA "prawda a nie klamstwa"] says:
  1175. turtle says:
    @Rurik

    Hilarious video. Thanks.
    RE: still photo
    You mean they don’t have horns??
    Amazing!

  1176. @turtle

    There were actually two proposals. One was to castrate all German males at puberty.

    ..
    http://www.pbs.org

    When Transgender Kids Transition, Medical Risks are Both Known and Unknown

    by Priyanka Boghani

    PUTTING A PAUSE ON PUBERTY

    One of the more recent medical developments is the use of puberty blockers to treat children who are transgender or gender non-conforming. The medications, which suppress the body’s production of estrogen or testosterone, essentially pause the changes that would occur during puberty.

    http://www.nbcnews.com

    Transgender Kids

    Experts say children who clearly identify as the opposite gender will benefit from starting to transition sooner rather than later.

    Jacob’s Journey: Life as a Transgender 5-Year-Old …Congressman’s Transgender Granddaughter Makes Him Proud…Mother Writes Heartwarming Letter to 5-Year-Old Transgender Son…Jacob Lemay Lives Life as Transgender Child

    • Replies: @turtle
  1177. @turtle

    I am not affiliated to them , but the FRG regime is absolutely weak, too many know by now.
    The only measure the regime comes up with is more repression, which is a good sign that their end is near. Their “fight against the right” is a fight against the German people, regardless where they politically stand, the regime consider all Germans who have their own mind “nazi”.

    I don’t know about you, but if you ever asked the regime most obvious questions, you know they don’t have answers, they will not answer, they can’t because they are check mated by these questions, by the truth and obvious facts they ignore.

    • Replies: @turtle
  1178. turtle says:
    @Germanicus

    Or you could say:
    The German national colors are black-white-red.
    The current flag of the FRG does not display the German national colors.
    Logical conclusion would be that the flag of the FRG is not the German flag,
    That being the case, one might question, as you certainly do, whether the FRG is actually Germany.
    Analogy:
    Suppose the Swiss Federation began flying a flag consisting of a white cross on black background.
    What might one reasonably conclude?
    Nations do not change their symbols capriciously.
    Do you have any information as to when, how, and by whom the current colors of the FRG were adopted? Did the people get to vote on it? Or was it selected arbitrarily by some “deliberative body?”
    If so, who were the members of that body, and what were their backgrounds?

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  1179. turtle says:
    @Corvinus

    Your opponent said:

    “This concept of attacking civilians to “win” a war is an Torah/Old Testament
    tactic.”

    He did NOT say, “This is an exclusively Jewish tactic.”
    That is a major difference.
    Here is an exercise for you. Substitute another proper noun for Torah/Old Testament, and see if you still object. For example:

    “This concept of attacking civilians to “win” a war is a[n old] Roman tactic.”

    Does it offend you in this form?
    If not, why not?

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  1180. turtle says:
    @Germanicus

    G –
    From where I sit, in SoCal, AfD seems perfectly reasonable.
    Makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than Mutti Merkel and her Commie symp backers.
    Yet, we are told that AfD are “extremist.”
    To quote a famous American,
    “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.”

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  1181. turtle says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Then there is the matter of declining sperm counts, and possibly reduced testosterone levels, i.e. reduced fertility, among all males in Western countries.
    Is that “just happening,” or is it something in the water?
    Perhaps General Ripper was ahead of his time…

  1182. Rurik says:
    @Germanicus

    the Russians as legal successor to the Soviet Union get enough blame, rightfully so, but somehow the Brits and US constantly escape the blame by pointing fingers at the Russians.

    It is a running mantra of mine that if Russia would officially repudiate the crimes of the Soviet period, and encourage the former satilite states to melt down all the monuments to the Red Army rapists that profane their sacred soil, and then use the bronze to build statues to their heroic grandfathers who fought that menace, that such a gesture would go a long way towards rapprochement between Russia and Eastern Europe, and would stifle the agenda of the zio-west to foment war between Russia and Eastern Europe.

    But alas, the tender vanity of the Russian nationalists cling to the idiocy that the Red Army rapists were “liberators”, of all things.

    It’s sad and tragic, because it was Russians as much as anyone, who suffered so terribly under that cruel ((Soviet)) terror.

    The lies about Germany did not stop after 1945, it is a deep legal rabbit hole of crimes, lies, deceit.

    I get all of that. Trust me. And I get how Germany still doesn’t have a sovereign and legal government of its own, but rather one imposed by the ((Allies)).

    But :

    You can’t compare France and Germany in that regard,

    here I disagree. Because both France and Germany are both under the same occupation. And it’s the same occupation that England and the ZUS and Canada and Australia, etc.. are all under.

    A zio-occupation under international Jewish supremacists who control the Western world’s central banks.

    And call all the shots in the dying West. Hence the ‘coalitions of the ‘willing’.

    Check out the video “dueling puppets’, to see just how complete is this occupation. I just checked and it’s been banned from Duck, Duck, Go. So I Binged’ it.

    So in short, yes, I would heavily fine the remaining ~50% voters,

    No! They’re dupes and lied-to schleps, often without a pot to piss in.

    Why tax the pawns in the ZSUA and England, etc.. and let the elite scum off the hook.

    If there were justice in the world, then I’d recover the world’s looted wealth from the class A stockholders of the Federal Reserve Bank. There’s more ill-gotten lucre there than if you taxed 50% of the voters of England, France and the ZUS for 90% of their wealth.

    Make Rothschild pay, and pay handsomely. If it were up to me, I’d make him squeal.

    When I was done, every victim in Palestine and Germany and Russia would be rolling in the dough.

  1183. @turtle

    Yes, in order to make people outside understand what happened, analogies are necessary.

    Lot of questions, but I try to answer them in one go.

    Black-red-gold are the colors of the “Burschenschaften”, student fraternities originally, affiliated to masonic lodges in the 1848 socialist revolution attempt, ie masonic take over attempt by installing social democracy. But it goes further back to the liberation wars against Napoleon ~1815.

    The Paulskirche in Frankfurt hosts the painting of “Germania” wrapped in black-red-gold. Frankfurt was instrumental in the 1848 attempt, no wonder, Rothschild live there, and it is the banking city.

    Anyhow, this 1848 take over failed, and Bismarck founded the “little German” solution of the Reich in 1871, ie without our Austrian family, who are Germans as well. The flag of the Reich was black-white-red with the eagle in the center.
    The Austrian-Germans have been explicitly forbidden to call themselves German “after” WWII. Technically, Austrians are closely related to the Bavarians. Austria had been historically called the Ostmark(eastern mark). Vienna was besides Berlin capital of the HRE until the congress of Vienna.

    Now, Bismarck’s success got the envious Brits involved, who have been infested by masonry. Masons plotted the murder of Arch Duke Ferdinand, carried out by their proxy Serbian Black Hand, which led to WWI. Germany and Austria were allied, basically one nation with two governments.

    In 1918, masons and communists did a coup d’etat against emperor Wilhelm II. and forced him out of the country, the Romanov fate was threatened. The Emperor never technically abdicated legally, he renounced it.
    Wilhelm btw donated to the German peoples the Reichstag building, the parliament.

    In 1919, the so called Weimar Republic was installed, ie the second attempt of installing masonic social democracy was successful, and they implemented the black-red-gold colors.
    Technically, the Weimar Republic was a corporation, a private entity and usurper.
    Read Oswald Spengler on this.

    Then Hitler was elected in 1933, and on 23th March 1933 the “Gesetz zur Behebung der Not von Volk und Reich”(allied propaganda call it enabling act) suspended parts of the Weimar “constitution”, which had implemented the Versailles dictate, ie reparations, prohibition to reunite with Austria and several other restrictions. It also did away with black-red-gold, the swastika became the official flag, in black-white-red national colors.
    One day later, 24th March 1933, Judea declared war.

    The partitioned Germany flew both east and west black-red-gold, a continuation of Weimar. The communist GDR even had masonic compass and circle on the flag, but was basically incorporated in 1990 into the western part, however, this was illegal, because the Western part legally ceased to exist as well in 1990.
    Originally, in 1990 we should have had a national Assembly with the task of forming a proper lawful German government for the first time since 1945, which of course would have included the eastern part of Germany currently under Polish and Russian administration. Never happened until today unfortunately, with all the bad consequences arising from this failure.

    In order to prevent the German people to do what should have been done in 1990, the UN started a program of “population/migration replacement”, as they call it officially, and black-red-gold still fly.

    That’s basically the short version.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
    , @S
  1184. @turtle

    Yet, we are told that AfD are “extremist.”

    The AfD are totally kosher on the top, and pro-EU, the rest is lip service in typical democratic manner to deceive the people. I don’t have confidence in any FRG political party, it is a self serving criminal and corrupt circus, who have delegated all fiscal power to Brussels anyway, according to their websites.

    Again, the FRG has no valid electoral law, its highest court basically rendered all elections since 1954 in (West) Germany null and void in 2012. The official reasoning is a technicality, but they simply can’t state the real reasons.
    Even (((Der Spiegel))), der Speichel as we call this toilet paper, reported on this.

    If the basically declared the current regime illegitimate, the current regime obviously can’t fix it, because they are illegitimate. Its only a matter of time until the German public fully caught up with the fact, which is happening slowly but steadily.

    I would compare AfD with Trump, aligned to Likud, opposing the red/green Marxist internationalists.

  1185. Rurik says:
    @annamaria

    “promised land” in the US — security, prosperity, egalite et cet. Instead of cherishing this land, the “chosen” have been doing their usual business of using the people of the land for a mega-project of Eretz Israel.

    Just like Germany. They were prosperous and treated very well in Germany, until they saw an opportunity for advantage in Palestine, and then tossed Germany under the Balfour Declaration bus.

    Just as Benjamin Freedman’s speech lays out.

    The zionized CIA and profiteering MIC joined hands with the “chosen.” As a result, we become blessed with the Wars of Aggression in the Middle East

    They loot America’s wealth by printing untold trillions, and then hand that lucre out to corrupt our politicians and institutions until there isn’t a congress-critter or president or university that doesn’t shill their devil’s lies.

    Everything is corrupted, until an honest man starts to think the nation he was born in has become clinically insane, and it has!

    The Jewish community at large has been supporting the zionists warmongering, as well as the land theft and supremacist policies of the Jewish State.

    There are far too few righteous Jews publically condemning all this treachery and betrayal.

    Either the Jewish Community grows a moral fiber and teaches the young to respect non-Jewish neighbors and the laws of the land, or the well-deserved disgust towards zionists could spill into a wave of hostilities against all Jews.

    Your prayer is my prayer, Annamaria.

  1186. annamaria says:
    @Germanicus

    “You can’t compare France and Germany in that regard…”

    — The recent events showed that French can be the worst of the worst scum. Sarkozy’s war crimes against formerly prosperous Libya put a huge and stinky stain on the French republic.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/libya-ten-things-about-gaddafi-they-dont-want-you-to-know/5414289

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  1187. Corvinus says:
    @turtle

    “He did NOT say, “This is an exclusively Jewish tactic.””

    He had denied it was a human civilization tactic. His argument is that it is indeed exclusively Jewish.

    “Does it offend you in this form?”

    I would object in the same manner. The fact is that attacking civilians has been employed by a wide of groups, then and now.

  1188. Corvinus says:
    @Robjil

    “We in the west live in a Zion and State. There is no Church and State in the past hundred years.”

    Yet more false premises. YOU think that the the West live in a Zion and State. That is your opinion.Furthermore, in the United States, our nation has had no church and state since the ratification of the Constitution.

    “Amaleks and Seven Nations to Destroy are like weeds in our Zion and State.”

    IF this situation is indeed accurate, then what are you doing other than lamenting on a blog? Do you not have a physical duty to stop these “weeds” before they “choke” you?

    Words do not mean anything on your part unless you are willing to take direct action. It’s virtue signaling on your end.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Robjil
  1189. @annamaria

    — The recent events showed that French can be the worst of the worst scum. Sarkozy’s war crimes against formerly prosperous Libya put a huge and stinky stain on the French republic.

    Hmm, I sort of disagree, the French Republic is a masonic construct, anti-christian.
    1789 was more or less the start of continental Europe’s misery, comparable to the Bolshevik take over, they just called themselves Jacobins, who also established a reign of terror and grabbed all the possessions of the french.

    But you make a good case why France is still little bit more sovereign @Rurik, if one can call it that, than Germany. France is a nuclear power, and only pretty recently fullly rejoined NATO.
    The French at least have a certain freedom in their foreign and military policy, and have been the driving force behind EU, or better the French Grand Orient lodge, of which a certain Vladimir Illych Ulyanov Lenin was a member.

  1190. turtle says:
    @Rurik

    melt down all the monuments to the Red Army

    They could also cease renaming cities after Bolshevik thugs:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Kalinin
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad#Soviet_era
    Immanual Kant lived in Königsberg, not “Kaliningrad.”
    So did David Hilbert, and many others of note:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_from_Königsberg
    Leonhard Euler solved the problem of the Seven Bridges of Königsberg, not the Seven Bridges of Kaliningrad.

    IMHO, that is the least we should ask, now that Prussia has been officially “wiped off the map, to borrow a phrase from certain of our Middle Eastern “friends.”

  1191. @Rurik

    Because both France and Germany are both under the same occupation.

    Yes, but France has no US military occupation bases on its soil with the biggest US airbase in Europe(Rammstein and Landstuhl US hospital), drone and missile “defense” HQ etc… It is a de facto occupation of France through NATO, which is the US.

    I agree with all the rest you said.

    Gets me to this “EU army” the french plan. I am against it, because it is not under French or German control and will be used against us eventually. I think it is a means of the french to undermine US dominated NATO, but will serve essentially the same purpose as NATO.

  1192. Robjil says:
    @Corvinus

    The freest place to do anything about it is the internet. We can do it person to person also.

    What are you doing about it?

    You are defending our Zion and State rulers. Why?

  1193. @Franklin Ryckaert

    You are indulging in pure speculation and your personal “beliefs” as to what Stalin would do or not. “Stalin was not genocidal.” “What reason could Stalin possibly have” not to want European born Jews let loose to proliferate in his Soviet Republic? You prove you only “know” what is on Wikipedia.

    Jews who found themselves behind the Iron Curtain, especially in Russia, now found themselves under a completely different type of oppression. To Stalin anyone who had contact with the virus called “the West” was sent to Siberia. In Stalin’s eyes they were contaminated. Even Russian soldiers who fought for Mother Russia, but had the misfortune of being captured by the Germans –were sent to Siberia by Stalin.

    https://www.jewishhistory.org/jews-in-the-gulag-after-wwii/

    Thomas Kues in The “Extermination Camps” of “Aktion Reinhardt” reveals examples of articles that appeared in Jewish newspapers & publications after the war reporting large transports of Jews to these gulags. This is one of the Holocaust Handbooks that you refuse to read … toward the end of Volume 2.
    You wrote:

    However in the case of the fate of the deported Jews to the East, the burden to explain what happened to them is on the Nazis (or their defenders). They deported them, they are bound to explain why they are “missing”.

    Nonsense. The Nazis sent them East to stay in the East. They had no intention of keeping the Dutch people, like yourself, informed on how they fared. They could not even know themselves. You are asking the impossible.

  1194. Robjil says:
    @Corvinus

    Some cultures have attack civilians in warfare.

    It is not recognized as a good thing by most cultures.

    Torah/ Old Testament culture recognizes it as a good thing. a valid war tactic. That it what I saying. Look at Jewish sites that say this. They don’t deny it. Our military and our lackeys follow Zion war tactics.

    Look at one our lackeys, ZUS run Ukraine. They bombed civilians and civilians structures in the Donbass endlessly in 2014-16 with no outcry from our Zion BC MSM. It still went after 2016 to present but on a smaller scale.

    These ZUS Ukraine lackeys did a horrible Holocaust,burning people alive 40 to 100 civilians on May 2 2014 in Odessa. They locked 40 to 100 people in a city center building and burned them alive. Our Zion BC MSM thought nothing of it. It was for the Zion over all cause, so it was “OK”. It was Torah BC style warfare, attack civilians without pity.

    • Replies: @turtle
    , @Corvinus
  1195. @Rurik

    This video you posted reminds me of something.
    If I want to know what the media in Germany gonna say and write, I just have to look in the US media a day before. As soon as the US censors gave a go, it will end up in German media, word by word.

    The analog to Obama’s ” yes we can” is Merkel’s “Wir schaffen das” … just the German equivalent is usually even more silly and shallow.

    “There is no alternative” translates then in “alternativlos”.
    Puppets, criminal useless puppets on a string.
    If politics see no alternatives, it is useless and has to be smashed in 1000 pieces and thrown in the trash can.

    • Replies: @Fox
  1196. turtle says:

    1848 [failed] socialist revolution attempt

    many refugees from which ended up in the U.S.
    There is an entire Wikipedia article on the so-called “Forty-Eighters.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forty-Eighters

    The Paulskirche in Frankfurt hosts the painting of “Germania” wrapped in black-red-gold

    And here she is:

    I guess this song:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Gedanken_sind_frei
    also became popular around that time.
    I like this (semi-bilingual) version:

    Read Oswald Spengler on this.

    Thanks for the tip.
    I’ve been meaning to delve into Spengler for awhile..

    “Gesetz zur Behebung der Not von Volk und Reich”

    Which title (the title, not the text of the law), if translated properly, sounds to me a great deal like the excuse for the so-called USA PATRIOT Act. Maybe that is why some Americans refer to the “PATRIOT” act as our very own enabling act.

    The communist GDR even had masonic compass and circle on the flag

    Not until 1959. Before that, the DDR flew the same Schwarz-Rot-Gold (or, as you may prefer, Schwarz-Rot-Gelb) tricolor as the BRD.
    “Hammer and Compass” could be taken to symbolize the merging of Bolshevism with Freemasonry.
    In any case, Wikipedia tells us that flag was outlawed upon the dissolution if the DDR (and good riddance to that regime).
    Do you have any suggestions for German periodicals which Americans might profitably read?
    The FAZ:
    https://www.faz.net/aktuell/
    seems fairly intelligent and even handed to me, but then I am an American with limited command of German language.
    Thank you for your post. It is (nearly) always valuable to get another point of view.
    It seems paradoxical (or perhaps I should say, ominous) that, in this time of global information distribution, there are evidently forces which wish to destroy freedom of access to information and freedom of inquiry.
    The war for people’s minds appears to never cease.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Germanicus
  1197. turtle says:
    @Robjil

    Torah/ Old Testament culture recognizes it as a good thing.

    And this, just in:
    https://www.rt.com/news/464832-israeli-laugh-demolish-wadihummus/

    Israeli police and military were filmed laughing and cheering as they blew up a Palestinian building in the West Bank district of Wadi Hummus in East Jerusalem on Monday

    The buildings are located on the outskirts of Sur Baher in Wadi Hummus, which is in Area A of the West Bank, meaning it is under the administration of the Palestinian Authority (PA). The separation barrier left Wadi Hummus on the Israel side of the structure, even though it remains part of the West Bank. The buildings that were demolished had permits issued by the PA.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Franklin Ryckaert
  1198. @turtle

    “Hammer and Compass” could be taken to symbolize the merging of Bolshevism with Freemasonry.

    I think you put the cart before the horse here. Communism was spawned by masonic forces. However, not all masons are in line with it.
    All communist countries had masonic insignia on their flags and coat of arms.
    A common word in GDR was “Werktätige”, which is not the workers, but the “great work” as the masons call it.
    You can safely count the 5 pointed star to these symbols, as well as the garland, the 33 sector grid of the UN, which funnily excludes Antarctica, where they have no jurisdiction.

    Do you have any suggestions for German periodicals which Americans might profitably read?

    Nope, all trash in my view, I am not aware of any readable paper, all licensed by the US military administration.
    I only use it for propaganda study purposes, but very limited, it always makes me puke.
    Give some time, and I will get you original US military documents, where it states what is licensed, paper names etc. Nothing has changed in this regard.

    Regarding Spengler, this is the one…

    https://archive.org/details/OswaldSpenglerNeubauDesDeutschenReiches/page/n2

    … as if it was written in 2019… almost timeless, just as some of the Hitler or Goebbels speeches later.

    The hand of the pseudo-civilized Jewry of Western Europe shakes the hand of the Jewry of the Eastern ghettos over Germany. Europe is in deadly danger [, even if the English do not want to admit it].

    https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goeb36a.htm

    • Replies: @turtle
  1199. Zumbuddi says:
    @Germanicus

    Thanks.
    I’ll read this again, carefully.
    Wagner took part in 1848 revolotions, right?

  1200. prawda [AKA "prawda a nie klamstwa"] says:

    Truth Shall Set you Free

    For some Unknown reason youtube Fifth Column Censored the following videos that I listed in an earlier post.

    Exercise your Right to Be Informed and view the videos that the Self Chosenite Jews have decided that the Cattle shall never know about and view with their own eyes.

    • Replies: @turtle
  1201. Robjil says:
    @turtle

    Zion BCist have no respect for any culture but their Zion BC culture.

    Bombing the great historical cities or towns of Germany, France, Japan, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia and so on were OK with Zion BCists.

    Laughing about destroying non-Zion BC historical sites is a religious thing to them.

    Destroying Seven Nations, which implies destroying lots of historical towns or cities, is the religious theme for their nine eleven game plan for the past eighteen years.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  1202. @Carolyn Yeager

    There were always survivors of those Gulags like Solzhenitsyn who could tell their story.
    Also German prisoners of war were eventually mostly released. If Stalin was indeed “genocidal” nobody would have survived the Gulags. So Jewish inmates from those Gulags would also have survived and could tell their story : how they were deported by the Germans to work camps or ghettos in Russia, how they were “liberated” by the Russians but were send to the Gulags, but that has not happened.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  1203. Corvinus says:
    @Robjil

    “The freest place to do anything about it is the internet. We can do it person to person also.”

    Actions, not words, change matters. So you say there is this dire threat, yet you are other than unwilling to do what it takes to neutralize it. In essence, some would argue, that you are willing to be dominated.

    “What are you doing about it?”

    Living my life considering that what you are saying–“You are defending our Zion and State rulers” is completely fabricated. You really are hell bent at lying to make some sort of point.

    “Some cultures have attack civilians in warfare.”

    You mean people in a number of cultures and civilizations have engaged in the attack of civilians during warfare.

    “It is not recognized as a good thing by most cultures.”

    It is recognized by humanity as being immoral and cruel.

    “Torah/ Old Testament culture recognizes it as a good thing. a valid war tactic. That it what I saying.”

    You were saying that this tactic governs any and all past and current nations, and now you are backtracking. You are also neglecting to include Bible/Christian and Koran/Muslim. Interesting, to say the least.

    “Our military and our lackeys follow Zion war tactics.”

    No, we follow the war tactics that have been developed and honed by a number of civilizations and societies.

    You remain patently dishonest

    Look at one our lackeys, ZUS run Ukraine. They bombed civilians and civilians structures in the Donbass endlessly in 2014-16 with no outcry from our Zion BC MSM. It still went after 2016 to present but on a smaller scale.

    These ZUS Ukraine lackeys did a horrible Holocaust,burning people alive 40 to 100 civilians on May 2 2014 in Odessa. They locked 40 to 100 people in a city center building and burned them alive. Our Zion BC MSM thought nothing of it. It was for the Zion over all cause, so it was “OK”. It was Torah BC style warfare, attack civilians without pity.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  1204. Corvinus says:
    @Robjil

    “Zion BCist have no respect for any culture but their Zion BC culture.”

    Yet another patent falsehood.

    “Bombing the great historical cities or towns of Germany, France, Japan, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia and so on were OK with Zion BCists.”

    They were bombed by nations, as ordered by their leaders, for a variety of reasons. There was no “Zion BC” intent or purpose.

    “Destroying Seven Nations, which implies destroying lots of historical towns or cities, is the religious theme for their nine eleven game plan for the past eighteen years.”

    That would be your opinion, not fact.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  1205. @turtle

    The Israelis have a “law” that forbids Palestinians to build houses within 250 meters from the separation wall. Those buildings were within 250 meters and thus were demolished, whether they had a building permit from the Palestinian Authority or not.

    • Replies: @turtle
  1206. @turtle

    It seems paradoxical (or perhaps I should say, ominous) that, in this time of global information distribution, there are evidently forces which wish to destroy freedom of access to information and freedom of inquiry.
    The war for people’s minds appears to never cease.

    Yep, and they make it incredibly difficult to find these documents online. They always get taken down, since years and years.

    https://archive.org/details/OfficeOfMilitaryGovernmentForGermanyTradeUnionPressInTheUSOccupiedAreaGermanyENO

    The search term is “Office of Military Government for Germany”, there are several documents outlining in detail what the US did there.

    Among these are:

    Office of Military Government for Germany – Eine Botschaft hollaendischer Gewerkschaftler (EN-DE, 1949, 14007 KB

    Office of Military Government for Germany – Gewerkschaften in oeffentlichen Verwaltungen und Diensten (E 25799 KB

    Office of Military Government for Germany – Gewerkschaften und Demokratie in Deutschland (EN-DE, 1949, 4 12669 KB

    Office of Military Government for Germany – Gewerkschaften und Erziehungswesen in Westdeutschland (EN-DE 14859 KB

    Office of Military Government for Germany – Juedische Arbeitnehmer und Unternehmer in Nachkriegs-Deutsch 9322 KB

    Office of Military Government for Germany – Menschliche Beziehungen zwischen Arbeitgeber und Arbeitnehme 13945 KB

    Office of Military Government for Germany – Wiederaufbau Deutschlands und die Gewerkschaften (EN-DE, 194 21939 KB

    The US/UK burnt books, tons of books, unlike the Germans who burnt symbolically a few degenerate books on homosexuality once. The US purged entire libraries.

    I would also recommend the German foreign office white books, on the origin of the war.

    http://www.allworldwars.com/German%20White%20Book.html

    I have original local copies, but it is risky to upload them, so you have to do some digging on your own.

    • Replies: @turtle
  1207. turtle says:
    @Germanicus

    all licensed by the US military administration.

    I knew that was true immediately after WWII.
    I did not realize it was still in effect.
    That shocks me, if true.
    Are you saying that if you (or anyone else) wanted to start a newspaper in Germany today you would have to secure permission from the U.S. government?
    If that is true, there must be an official application form, I would guess a fillable pdf form posted online.
    Do you have a link?
    I know about 1945. I want to know about today.

    I use this translating dictionary:
    http://www.wernerr.de
    which translates der Werktätige
    as either “worker,” or “working man.”
    die Werktätigen
    as “the working people”
    Have you another source, preferably online, which lists your meaning?

    “Hammer and Compass” is the way Wikipedia describes the symbol.
    I merely copied what is there.
    I gather you, or at least your ancestors, lived under Communist rule.
    How was this symbol typically described in the DDR?

    Vielen dank for the Spengler link.
    I shall do my best to read it, time permitting.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  1208. Fox says:
    @Germanicus

    Yes it is embarrassingly funny how everything from the American news, fashions, wordings,ends up in more or less direct translation in German, even to the point that German wordings are replaced by American English in German.
    Your last sentence is something that has to sink in everyone’s consciousness.

  1209. Robjil says:
    @Corvinus

    Why do not deny what is happening in our world today?

    USS Liberty – June 8 1967 – attacked by Israel

    Silence

    Why?

    Zionists in US government and US media

    Nine Eleven – Done by Israel and Israel firsters

    Silence

    Why?

    Israel Firsters control the US government and its media

    This can’t go on. Humanity has to advance.

    This Big H that you love so much is used as a war weapon to silence us from speaking out what Israel Firsters are doing to the human mind and our planet.

    The Human mind advances through curiosity. Denying the human mind to act on its curiosity will destroy the human mind. The human mind is a terrible thing to waste.

    If this goes on like you like it to do so, humanity will descend down the evolutionary ladder. Perhaps, another animal will over take us.

  1210. turtle says:
    @Germanicus

    The US/UK burnt books, tons of books. The US purged entire libraries.

    That is correct.
    Anyone who is interested can find more information here:
    http://www.revisionist.net
    with respect to the First World War.
    There are videos, which I have seen, some of which may still be online, which depict large bonfires being fed books written in the German language by schoolchildren, whose faces reflect the sort of disgust one might find in those who have been brainwashed to despise the material they are feeding to the fire, or at least those who wrote them. Considering the apparent age of these children , it seems unlikely to me that they children had actually read most of the books they were assigned to destroy. Evidently it sufficed for them to know that the books were written by Germans, in the German language. You know, monsters like this:

    Yet, if one does a Google search on “book burning in the USA, nothing turns up re: these historical events, only burning of comic books in the 1950s.

    In Germany following WWII, the preferred method of book destruction by the occupying powers was reducing books to paper pulp. This method was chosen expressly so that the Allies could honestly say, “We never burnt books in Germany.”

  1211. turtle says:
    @prawda

    It does not surprise me that:
    1, The videos are notg available on YouTube.
    2. The brave Mr. Cole, having received death threats, lives in fear of his life.
    Challenging religious dogma, a.k.a. received truth, has never been easy.
    May you live long and prosper, David Cole

  1212. turtle says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    and the so-called “Israelis” laughed, and congratulated each other, much like their fellow citizens who host cookouts on the hills overlooking Gaza, and cheer on their so-called “defense” forces while those forces pulverize the houses of defenseless Arabs by dropping bombs on them, while the picnickers chant, “Ali is on the grill.”

    No doubt the Book of Gaza will memorialize the latter wondrous achievements, to be celebrated by the Jewish faithful hundreds of years hence. Perhaps there will even be an official Jewish holiday devoted to them.

  1213. Anon[159] • Disclaimer says:

    Wow !! just passing by. This thread is not about the PG article on freedom of speech regarding the Holocaust. It may have started out that way but it has devolved into a full blown Neo Nazi feast.
    Mr. Unz are you comfortable with Neo Nazi’s? It should be a bridge to far for UR and Mr. Giraldi.

    This just in from Mr. Goebbeles: Sound familiar? How did it work out for him. Man imagine this guy as your hero. No hasbara folks on this thread. They are probably to scared.

    We also know our historic responsibility. Two thousand years of Western history are in danger. One cannot overestimate the danger. It is indicative that when one names it as it is, International Jewry throughout the world protests loudly. Things have gone so far in Europe that one cannot call a danger a danger when it is caused by the Jews! [We have never been afraid of the Jews, and are even less afraid today!] That does not stop us National Socialists from drawing the necessary conclusions.

    That is what we did in our earlier domestic battles. The democratic Jewry of the Berliner Tageblatt and the Vossische Zeitung served communist Jewry by minimizing and downplaying a growing danger, and by lulling our threatened people to sleep and sapping their ability to resist. We foresee, if the danger is not overcome, the specter of hunger, misery, and forced labor by millions of Germans. We see our venerable part of the world collapsing, burying in its ruins the ancient inheritance of the West. That is the danger we face today.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @turtle
    , @annamaria
  1214. Robjil says:
    @Corvinus

    The reason I mentioned Zion war tactics as mainly attacking civilians, it is happening in real time now.

    Look at Gaza. What do you see the Israelis do there?

    Even in 1948 it was so.

    Israelis attacked many towns and killed the civilians. It was to scare the Palestinians to leave. 750000 did leave. It was called the Nakba.

    Other religions may have done similar things but a big but, they admit that it was wrong now. The Jewish culture of today still would not admit that it does cruel things like attack civilians. It hides the cruel things it does since its world wide control of the media.

    We have Zion and State world wide in the media. Even Muslim countries have to watch what they say about Jewish culture. It is a quite bizarre thing. Beings from other planets, would be shocked that a tiny tribe controls this entire planet in fear.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Corvinus
  1215. annamaria says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    “oppressed Jews…”

    — The Wolf of Kremlin lived into the Methuselah age and died demented; he was guilty of hundreds of thousands if not millions of deaths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich

    The main organizer of GULAG (a network of concentration camps where Russians died in millions) lived peacefully into the old age in Moscow. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naftaly_Frenkel

    The same is true about a legion of Jews living in the USSR. They did not want to relocate to the Jewish Autonomic Region Birobijan but preferred to live in the major Soviet cities. The “refugees” of Russophobic persuasion (such as Dm. Alperovitch of CrowdStrike, famous lesbian Masha Gessen, pious Sergej Brin of Google, and the likes) came mostly from Moscow, where their “oppressed” parents have received excellent (and free of charge) education while living comfortably in a center city.

    (“Google’s true origin partly lies in CIA and NSA research grants for mass surveillance:” https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-cia-and-nsa-research-grants-for-mass-surveillance/)

    Also, one should not forget that the Jewish Bolsheviks were the main actors in the disastrous revolution of 1918.
    Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (1918-2008), Nobel-Prize-winning novelist, historian and critic of Communist totalitarianism:

    You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse.

    The October Revolution was not what you call in America the “Russian Revolution.” It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated.

    Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators.

    • Agree: Robjil
  1216. annamaria says:
    @Fran Taubman

    On the general indecency of holo-biz that exists only thanks to peoples’ ignorance of Jewish crimes.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naftaly_Frenkel
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_Kaganovich
    https://enigmachannel.wordpress.com/2015/06/10/the-worlds-most-evil-woman/

    Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn:

    You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse.

    The October Revolution was not what you call in America the “Russian Revolution.” It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated.

    Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  1217. @Franklin Ryckaert

    You continue to just make statements based on your own personal reasoning, nothing else. Because (the few) German pow survivors were eventually released and sent back to Germany (according to the agreement made at the time they were wrongly enslaved), then everyone was also released. Foreign-born Jews had a different status. And neither you nor anyone really knows what Stalin had in mind.

    If Stalin was indeed “genocidal” nobody would have survived the Gulags.

    If Hitler and Himmler were indeed “genocidal” there wouldn’t have been a million surLIEvors collecting compensation from Germany. Has Russia paid any? Not that I know of. The Jewish Mafia hasn’t demanded anything from Russia because that doesn’t fit their defamation narrative against the Germans, who are much easier to deal with and extort from.

    Jewish inmates from those Gulags would also have survived and could tell their story.

    Not if no one wanted to hear their story. Just as surLIEvors in the West didn’t talk about their experiences until there was a market for it starting in the late 1970’s. If no one encourages them to talk, they don’t say anything. But press the right button and they start rolling, and with plenty of embellishment.

    So you answer a question: Why are you so determined to vindicate the Jews and their Holocaust by finding some basis for it? You really are persistent about it. Jews lied about the gas chambers and the “death camps,” you admit, a true blood libel against the ‘Nazis’. But they’re telling the truth about other methods of murder. You insist you are neither Jewish nor Zionist. However, you’re on record saying (many times) that all Jews should go to Israel (even be deported there), so you are a Zionist, are you not?

  1218. Wally says: • Website
    @Anon

    said:
    “This thread is not about the PG article on freedom of speech regarding the Holocaust. It may have started out that way but it has devolved into a full blown Neo Nazi feast.”

    – Except that, as shown in this thread and many other threads here and elsewhere, the so called ‘Nazis’ did not, could not have possibly done what is alleged. The claims are comical and have been completely refuted.

    – Which of course exposes your real desire to suppress free speech about the absurd tales.

    – Your Goebbels quote said nothing about the scientifically impossible, laughably alleged ‘gas chambers’, but it does emphasize the reasons why NS Germany wanted Jews out of Europe. So what?

    – In fact horrific Jew behavior is not something relatively new, the entire world has recognized it’s reality & ugliness for ages.
    Recommended :
    Complete list of Jewish Expulsions / Jews expelled from over 1,000 places in history: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12596

    We also notice that you cannot refute any of the information here which utterly demolished your laughable and easily debunked “holocau$t” scam.

    You are in way over your head.

  1219. @turtle

    If that is true, there must be an official application form, I would guess a fillable pdf form posted online.
    Do you have a link?
    I know about 1945. I want to know about today.

    You don’t understand the situation given your question. No insult though, just a statement of fact.
    Official narrative is, Germany would be sovereign since 1990, a big fat lie, easily disproven.

    You could try to found a Newspaper in occupied Germany, publish it and see what happens, you gonna have lots of serious problems, and you could end up in a prison.

    Let it sink in, the “Federal Republic of Germany” with all its “offices” and “ministries” is registered in Washington DC as a private business company. The FRG is a GmbH, or in english, a trading company with restricted liability.

    The “Basic Law” of FRG clearly states in

    art.133:

    The Federation shall succeed to the rights and duties of the Administration of the Combined Economic Area.

    art. 134:

    (1) Reich assets shall, in principle, become federal assets.

    It is a looting operation of Reich assess, The Reich being the proper German nation state, which is unorganized sine 1945 and execution of the last German government.

    This is what the enemy state clauses in the UN charter are there for, to prevent reorganization of the Reich, which is the legal subject of international law, ie signatory partner for a peace treaty.

    art.120

    (1) The Federation shall finance the expenditures for occupation costs and other internal and external burdens resulting from the war, as regulated in detail by federal laws.

    art. 146

    This Basic Law, which since the achievement of the unity and freedom of Germany applies to the entire German people, shall cease to apply on the day on which a constitution freely adopted by the German people takes effect.

    The italic part was inserted after 1990, but it very obviously a lie, it contradicts the bold part. And they have the audacity, chutzpah to call it constitution.

    https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/englisch_gg.html

    We are paying for the US occupation, and there is not even a proper income tax law.
    Its collected by deceit, or if you oppose it, by force.

    You can check it in any online business catalog, you will find “ministries”, the Police(TM), “courts” registered in Washington DC, and not only German ones, its worldwide. They all have unique registration numbers.

    You eventually may not find Iranian ministries registered there though.

    “the working people”

    Werk=Work
    tätig=
    busy/active

    The masonic “great work”, and the mason doing it, would be “werktätig”. It is the esoteric meaning, ie not for public knowledge. You won’t find it in a dictionary, except in a masonic one.

    Masonic symbols and words always have an exoteric and an esoteric meaning.

    [MORE]

    I gather you, or at least your ancestors, lived under Communist rule.
    How was this symbol typically described in the DDR?

    Yes, I have the experience of by now two occupation systems.
    There is more to say here, but I will not tell it publicly for safety concerns.

    If you want to know the official explanation, just read wikipedia.

    Nothing is as it seems to be in this world.

    My internet connection broke down twice just trying to send this comment.

    Freemason symbols provide a visual means of attaining the beginnings of Masonic Education.

    These Masonic images are used to teach morals and lessons…much as we use “visuals”, like PowerPoint for presentations and YouTube for short video tutorials or an i-Pad to read a book.

    Each of these import meaning to an embodiment of picture images and data within a specific school of thought.

    The statement “A picture is worth a thousand words.” as the best way to learn, is just as true, today, as it was 5,000 years ago.

    https://www.masonic-lodge-of-education.com/freemason-symbols.html

    • Replies: @turtle
    , @turtle
  1220. Robjil says:
    @annamaria

    The poster 1245 talked about this being a N. fest.

    It is not, it is Not- see fest.

    Things that we are not allowed to see in our Zion and State world.

    Church and State is so old school in our Zion and State world for that guy.

    Who were the bigwigs in the Bolshevik Revolution terror is big example of what we are not allowed to Not- See? A Not-See thing to him.

    The Mamilla Pool Massacres is another Not-See thing to him for sure and our Zion and State world.

    USS Liberty is another Not-See thing for him

    Who did Nine Eleven? Another Not-See thing for him.

    Who are the Neocons pushing for endless wars? Another Not-See thing for him.

    The world’s biggest problem is Not-See-ism. Not-See-ism is destroying the human mind, its ability to create and grow as a species. The human mind is a terrible thing to waste.

    Thanks, Annamaria for giving us a real picture of the Bolshevik terror and who were the main instigators. Russia of that time was a gigantic Mamilla Pool.

    • Replies: @turtle
    , @annamaria
    , @Germanicus
  1221. kikl says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “…EYE WITNESS AND SURVIVORS ARE ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW. People do not lie about an event like that.”

    If eye witnesses were all we needed to know that an event took place, then we would still believe in witchcraft and UFOs, because we have lots of eye witnesses for both.

    The vast majority of the survivors do believe in the holocaust but not because they witnessed it with their own eyes. The vast majority believes the narrative because they were told by someone else they trust. That’s heresay. Only a small minority of survivors claims to have witnessed the gassing of jews.

    People in fact do lie and I would like to know from you how you know that these people didn’t lie?

    Please study the critique of the most important “eye witnes testimony” of Auschwitz in this book:

    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=36

    “Jürgen Graf: Auschwitz: Eyewitness Reports and Perpetrator Confessions of the Holocaust—30 Gas-Chamber Witnesses Scrutinized”

    Would you care to defend the credibility of any of these purported “eye witnesses”?

  1222. @Carolyn Yeager

    Yes, I am of the opinion that different racial and ethnic groups should not live in the same country (which is called “multi-culturalism”), because that leads only to insoluble conflicts, but in their own country. As such, the opinion that “all Jews should go to Israel” is part of that. Only in that sense I am a “Zionist”, and not in the sense you seem to suggest i.e. that I am an “agent of Jewish interests”.

    For the rest, I maintain that the riddle of the “missing Jews” has not been solved, and that this remains a task of the revisionists. I don’t think we both can solve it now, so I suggest to stop discussing it further.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Carolyn Yeager
  1223. Corvinus says:
    @Robjil

    “This Big H that you love so much…”

    False characterization. The Holocaust happened. Nothing more, nothing less.

    “is used as a war weapon to silence us from speaking out what Israel Firsters are doing to the human mind and our planet.”

    Another false characterization.

    “If this goes on like you like it to do so, humanity will descend down the evolutionary ladder. Perhaps, another animal will over take us.”

    Again, if what you believe is true, and they are causing great damage to the world, then YOU have a duty to directly intervene through actions, not words. All you do is talk. It’s as if you want to be overrun.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  1224. Corvinus says:
    @Robjil

    “The reason I mentioned Zion war tactics as mainly attacking civilians, it is happening in real time now.”

    Human war tactics, not Zion war tactics.

    “Israelis attacked many towns and killed the civilians. It was to scare the Palestinians to leave. 750000 did leave. It was called the Nakba.”

    Absolutely horrific are we human beings. But this fight is a holy war.

    “Other religions may have done similar things but a big but, they admit that it was wrong now.”

    Not may, DID. And who admits that it was wrong now?

    “The Jewish culture of today still would not admit that it does cruel things like attack civilians.”

    That would be your opinion.

    “It hides the cruel things it does since its world wide control of the media.”

    A false characterization.

    “Beings from other planets, would be shocked that a tiny tribe controls this entire planet in fear.”

    That would be your opinion.

  1225. turtle says:
    @Anon

    We see our venerable part of the world collapsing, burying in its ruins the ancient inheritance of the West. That is the danger we face today.

    Prophetic. And it came to pass.
    Have a look at the photos of Germany at the close of WWII.
    Death and destruction, everywhere you look.
    And now that at least some of it (not all) has been restored, other forces are put in play…

  1226. annamaria says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    Are you suggesting that there should be research in the real numbers of “missing Jews?” — You are risking to being put in prison by holo-biz thugs. One should not question the holo-biz dogmas, however fantastical.

    Zionists have been the most disgusting defilers of the memory of victims of WWII. See the rise of Banderism in the zionized Ukraine.

    By the way, why are you so shy to react to the well-established facts of the Bolshevik terror in Russia? Millions of Russians went “missing their lives.” There should be museums worldwide depicting and condemning the Jewish terrorism in Russia and the Middle East.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  1227. annamaria says:
    @Anon

    Oh, the so pure defenders of the so pure zionists!

    The Jewish State arming neo-Nazi in Ukraine: https://therealnews.com/stories/israel-is-arming-ukraines-blatantly-neo-nazi-militia-the-azov-battalion

    Israel trying to hide arms exports to neo-Nazi militias in Ukraine: https://972mag.com/israel-arms-exports-neo-nazis-ukraine/141942/

    Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in [zionized] Ukraine: https://www.thenation.com/article/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/

    ISIS is a US-Israeli creation: https://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-is-a-us-israeli-creation-top-ten-indications/5518627

    16 Palestinian children killed by Israel this year: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/16-palestinian-children-killed-by-israel-this-year-ngo/1528003

    Zionist Wexner, pedophile Epstein, and Mossad connections: https://ahtribune.com/us/3296-did-pedophile-jeffrey-epstein-work-for-mossad.html

    The Epstein associate nobody’s talking about: The IDF-linked bond girl infiltrating the UK NHS (National Health System): https://theswamp.media/the-epstein-associate-nobody-s-talking-about-the-idf-linked-bond-girl-infiltrating-the-uk-nhs

    No wonder that zionists work day and night against the First Amendment.

  1228. turtle says:
    @Germanicus

    Thank you for your post.
    Lots to digest, here.
    I will have to revisit it later.
    In particular, thank you for the link to the so-called “basic law” of the FRG.
    I shall read it.
    (Even if such things exist, and even if they are considered by most people to be adequate on their face, the question as to whether the current government follows the law is another question entirely, as we have recently discovered here in the U.S.)

    I have not read the U.N. Charter. Perhaps I should do so. Same caveat applies.
    Here in SoCal, where I have lived since the 1970s, there were, long ago, billboards occasionally seen, advocating “U.S. OUT of the U.N.” No longer do we see such things.

    Nothing is as it seems to be in this world.

    I don’t know about “nothing,” but certainly many things are not what they seem.
    Once the unspoken and invisible boundary of “permissible dissent” is crossed, those who know too much, and attempt to do something about it, quickly discover the iron fist inside the velvet glove.

    exoteric and an esoteric meaning

    I read this book long ago:

    If you have not read it, I commend it to your attention.
    In, summary, it puts forth the proposition that what we know as “Freemasonry” had its origin in the suppression of the Templars. As is well known, the Knights Templar, originally a religious order, had become, in addition, an international banking cartel, and very wealthy. As such, they had to be “dealt with.” Jacques de Molay met a rather gruesome end. As I recall from my youth, long ago, the youth organizations affiliated with Masonic lodges are known as “Order of de Molay.” The stories of “medieval craft guilds” are just rubbish, intended to mislead outsiders.

    You could try to found a Newspaper in occupied Germany, publish it and see what happens, you gonna have lots of serious problems, and you could end up in a prison.

    OK, I’ll take your assertion at face value, at least initially. Perhaps a fuller discussion of this issue can be left for another time. Certainly, suppression of an ostensibly “free” press in an ostensibly “free” country would not be any astounding revelation. The are many tools for preventing the dissemination of What Must Not be Known. “Free society,” my ass. Look up what happened to the late Uri Avnery when he attempted to speak his mind in “the only democracy in the Middle East.”
    His offices were torched, and his printing press was smashed. This, to a former paratrooper and “hero” of the Israeli “War of Independence,” about which more later.
    His account of his experiences:

    is a tale in two parts.

    I will stop here, because I have to work now.

  1229. annamaria says:
    @Robjil

    “Russia of that time was a gigantic Mamilla Pool.”
    — So tragically true.

  1230. S says:
    @Germanicus

    Black-red-gold are the colors of the “Burschenschaften”, student fraternities originally, affiliated to masonic lodges in the 1848 socialist revolution attempt, ie masonic take over attempt by installing social democracy.

    Theodore Poesche was one of those students. Are Germans (of Germany proper) aware of him?

    After the attempted 1848 Revolution in Germany, he first fled to London (a place which seems to act as something like a central clearing house for both Capitalist and Communist revolution alike since 1776 and 1789) and then on to the United States where in 1853 he wrote and published The New Rome linked below.

    The book displays a very good understanding of the geo-political nature of the US/UK (it says the US is the future center of power of the British Empire) and that in the future a US/UK united front will move against Germany, the center of power upon continental Europe, so as to control Germany, and thus Europe, and the world.

    After that has been accomplished, the US is to move against Russia (a threat to US/UK mastery of Europe) using it’s great air power (the book indicates aerial bombardment by yet to be invented flying machines) to overcome Russia’s ground armies.

    There’s a book published in 1912 (free on the net at archives.org) entitled A Political Prophecy of the Forty-Eighters in America which gives the background of Poesche and co-writer Goepp, while it also comments directly on the New Rome book itself.

    It’s thought Poesche may have met up with Italian revolutionary Mazzini while in London circa 1850, and IIRC, was later recalled to Germany to speak directly with Bismark himself about certain government matters involving statistics.

    Would be glad to hear any thoughts or insights regarding the Poescbe fellow you may have.

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_new_rome_or_the_united_states_of_the_world_1853

    • Replies: @turtle
    , @Germanicus
  1231. annamaria says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “As such, the opinion that “all Jews should go to Israel” is part of that.”
    — Expect an immediate deafening squealing by the supporters of the Jewish apartheid ethnostate. The majority of Israel-firsters prefer to live among non-Jews. Why?

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  1232. turtle says:
    @Germanicus

    The FRG is a GmbH, or in english, a trading company with restricted liability.

    Heh.
    I have, for a long time, been in the semi-unconscious habit of referring to “countries” as “companies” and vice versa. Nor am I the only person to do so.
    I once heard Kuwait referred to as “an oil company with as seat at the U.N.”
    And who bailed them out? Take a wild guess which industry Bush the Elder came from.
    Years ago, working in oil refineries, I alway had the feeling I was crossing an international border when entering a refinery. They should have posted a sign, “You are now leaving the United States. Welcome to UNOCAL.” (or Arco, etc.)

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Germanicus
    , @S
  1233. @Robjil

    The poster 1245 talked about this being a N. fest.

    Hardly surprising, this poster is part of the All-Lies, and wants people to not-see.

    • Agree: Robjil
  1234. turtle says:
    @S

    in the future a US/UK united front

    Cecil Rhodes’ great dream was to re-absorb the American colonies.
    That is why he created the Rhodes Scholarships, to recruit and train Americans for this aspirational endeavor.

    • Replies: @S
  1235. annamaria says:
    @Corvinus

    “Another false characterization.”

    — No, this is not a false characterization. People have been sent to prison, assaulted by ADL thugs, lost their jobs, and some were perhaps murdered because holo-biz has been used as “a war weapon to silence us [westerners] from speaking out what Israel Firsters are doing to the human mind and our planet.”

    Israel-firsters assault on the First Amendment: “Texas city refuses to give people hurricane aid unless they pledge not to boycott Israel:” https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/texas-hurricane-aid-dickinson-israel-boycott-pledge-harvey-financial-help-free-speech-a8011141.html

    An assault on the privacy of British citizens by a Mossad agent: https://theswamp.media/the-epstein-associate-nobody-s-talking-about-the-idf-linked-bond-girl-infiltrating-the-uk-nhs

    Zionists’ assault on democratic institutions in the UK: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/08/israeli-diplomat-shai-masot-plotted-against-mps-set-up-political-groups-labour

    David Irving was assaulted physically by Jewish thugs and vilified by zionized press: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/david-irving-an-anti-semitic-racist-who-has-suffered-financial-ruin-346741.html. Yet, it is the Jewish State (and an Israeli citizen Kolomoisky) that have been arming Ukrainian neo-Nazi and working towards the revival of fascism in Europe:

    • Replies: @turtle
  1236. turtle says:
    @annamaria

    perhaps murdered

    There is no “perhaps” about it.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Odeh

    Born into a Palestinian Christian (Latin rite Catholic) family in Jifna, Palestine
    The day of his murder he had been scheduled to speak at Friday prayer services at a synagogue.
    Irv Rubin, who had become chairman of the Jewish Defense League (JDL) the same year, immediately made several public statements in reaction to the incident. “I have no tears for Mr. Odeh”, Rubin said. “He got exactly what he deserved.”
    On August 27, 1996, the FBI announced a $1 million reward for information leading to the arrest of Odeh’s killers. JDL members heckled the FBI spokespersons announcing the reward. The reward is still in force.

    etc.

  1237. @annamaria

    Why? Because of the same reasons I want them out of our countries : parasitism.

  1238. S says:
    @turtle

    That’s right about Cecil Rhodes.

    Poesche delves into that concept on pg 87-88 (excerpted below) of the New Rome. He says the split between US and UK due to 1776 was from the beginning intended to be ‘temporary’ indicating a planned strategic ‘false split’. He also says the United States is British Empire’s ‘real center’.

    Poesche isn’t the only one to say that.

    There’s a fellow named Fon Belcher, an apparent distant relationship of the royal governor, founder of Princeton University, and first ‘native born’ British North American freemason, Jonathan Belcher, who more or less says the same thing.

    [MORE]

    Though he doesn’t outright say it, Fon Belcher is very probably a Freemason himself in good standing.

    Belcher has a remarkable series of articles on the subject. He writes that in the decades prior to 1776 the British Board of Trade had seriously studied the idea of moving the center of power of the Empire from England to British North America for strategic purposes, and of making the North American colonies and colonist a ‘reserve force’ for the British Empire to be called upon as needed.

    He also writes about the British Whig party involvement in events related to the North American colonies prior to 1776.

    Belcher fills out the details that the New Rome book doesn’t provide.

    I’d link directly to his article’s except my computer is having some problems. If you do a search of ‘Belcher Foundation’ that will lead to his website. Once there click ‘site index’ (or possibly ‘policy analysis’) and mixed in with quite a few article’s are four or five with terms like ‘Trilateral Center’, ‘Jonathan Belcher’, and ‘New World Order’ in the title. Those are the ones, and he’s all for it.

    [Belcher also states that the United States was heavily involved in the instigation of the 1789 French Revolution via Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin.]

    The New Rome (1853) – pg 87-88

    The stupendous greatness of England is factitious, and will only become natural when that empire shall have found its real centre. That centre is in the United States. The Anglican empire is essentially oceanic. Its dominions extend along the coasts of the Atlantic and the Pacific, the lesser and the greater ocean. America, lying in the midst of the ocean, is therefore its natural point of gravitation…

    ..The realization of an idea higher than could be developed in the mother island, that of the republican democracy, required a temporary segregation of the centre ; that task accomplished, it is time to call for a re-union ; but the former adjunct being now no longer merely the geographical centre, but the political and social focus, must take the lead…

  1239. @S

    Theodore Poesche was one of those students. Are Germans (of Germany proper) aware of him?

    Unless they do their own research and educate themselves, no.
    “Education” is pure indoctrination and guilt trip nowadays, oh, and gender nonsense as early as possible.
    Basically, it goes like this, Americans brought us culture, civilization, democracy and all this good stuff. They liberated us from our barbarism, you know.

    Everything is turned up side down, it is sickening.

    Interesting comment, thanks.

    • Replies: @S
    , @Oemikitlob
    , @Jacques Sheete
  1240. @turtle

    I have, for a long time, been in the semi-unconscious habit of referring to “countries” as “companies” and vice versa. Nor am I the only person to do so.

    I thought it is known in the US, that the USA had been usurped by the United States corporation with the Washington DC act of 1871? Very analog to what happened with the Reich, which was modeled after the USA with independent states by Bismarck.

    If you think about it, these “supranational” entities are all private clubs, eg UN, EU.
    Usually, a private club or corporation has an owner.

    http://louisianadigitallibrary.org/islandora/object/ull-lsa:428/datastream/JPG/view

  1241. @turtle

    I just remembered this.

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/204/text

    SEC. 2. Repeal of United Nations Participation Act of 1945.

    (a) Repeal.—The United Nations Participation Act of 1945 (Public Law 79–264; 22 U.S.C. 287 et seq.) is repealed.

    (b) Termination of membership in United Nations.—The President shall terminate all membership by the United States in the United Nations, and in any organ, specialized agency, commission, or other formally affiliated body of the United Nations.

    (c) Closure of United States Mission to United Nations.—The United States Mission to the United Nations is closed. Any remaining functions of such office shall not be carried out.

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/204/text

    I am just not sure this bill is introduced for the right reasons, and not only for Israel.

    But question.
    Why is it called an Act in english? Theater of Person(a)s?

    A persona (plural personae or personas), in the word’s everyday usage, is a social role or a character played by an actor. The word is derived from Latin, where it originally referred to a theatrical mask

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persona

    If the US inc is a private entity, where is the Re(s)public(a)?
    And why are foreign countries registered in DC?

    So many latin words in english, and many speakers do not know the meaning of these words.

    • Replies: @turtle
  1242. turtle says:
    @Germanicus

    LOL
    Not likely it will go anywhere.
    Notice it was introduced in January 2019 . It will die in committee.
    U.S. “leaders” like to hide behind the U.N. (as well as NATO) whenever it suits their purposes.
    NATO. Ah, there’s another stinking pile of sh*t, as no doubt you agree.
    Q. Why is Turkey “our NATO ally?”
    A. To threaten the Soviet Union with ICBMs.
    Q. What happened to those ICBMs?
    A. They were removed as part of the deal to end the “Cuban Missile Crisis.”
    It was kept “on the down low” to avoid JFK losing face with the U.S. public.

    played by an actor

    All the world’s a stage, and we but players on it.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  1243. S says:
    @turtle

    Interesting commentary about corporations.

    They want to model the world upon the United States. The flag first picked to symbolize the 1776 American Capitalist Revolution was the flag of the British East India Company, a multi-national corporation. [It’s called the ‘Grand Union’ flag, but it’s the same flag. The present day US flag is only subtly altered from the then BEIC flag.]

    Regarding the history of corporations in North America, Theodore Poesche delves into that on pg 127 of The New Rome:

    ‘‘All the colonies were government
    enterprises, — corporations…’’

    All the colonies were government enterprises, — corporations. The Plymouth, the Virginia, the New Amsterdam Company, the Proprietaries, derived their existence as such, from the government that had chartered them. The government naturally desired to draw its profits from its own enterprises ; the colonists naturally desired to monopolize the fruits of their own labors.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @turtle
  1244. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Only in that sense I am a “Zionist”, and not in the sense you seem to suggest i.e. that I am an “agent of Jewish interests”.

    I have at no time suggested that you are an agent. I don’t like being called an agent myself so I don’t lightly accuse others of that. I think your accusation is a distraction because you’re getting the bad end of this conversation. You admit you are a Zionist and you fit the definition of one. You add that you’re opposed to different racial and ethnic groups living in the same country. So, in your opinion, all people should go back to their own country, not just the Jews.

    You keep bringing up the “riddle of the missing Jews” on comment forums such as this, but now that we have made some progress with it, you decide it can’t be solved and we should stop talking about it. But that has been my position all along! Knowing how things get lost in the depths of Russia/Soviet Union, there could be other reasons for this “riddle” remaining than because “revisionists” have failed, or could not white-wash it, perhaps. What standing do you, FR, have to make such a demand, with such righteousness, of revisionists who have done so much to enlighten you so far? Seriously – you don’t have the knowledge. You are one presumptuous sob.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  1245. @annamaria

    By the way, why are you so shy to react to the well-established facts of the Bolshevik terror in Russia?

    I have done it plenty in relation to Germany re WWI and II. But since I’m of 100% German ethnicity and identify as such (German-American), I concentrate on fair and accurate German history. I’m not a cosmopolitan just as I’m not a libertarian — https://carolynyeager.net/josh-hawleys-anti-cosmopolitan-speech-national-conservatism-conference

  1246. @S

    Would it be safe to conclude the US flag in use is actually the corporate war/military flag?

    According to not only wikipedia, this is the US civil flag.

    [MORE]

    And look at the UN “honor” flag…

    Brooks B. Harding (1896-1959), an American,[1] made the acquaintance of United States President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill in December 1941 by presenting each with a Victory V symbol embossed in leather with the slogan Absolute Victory by delivery at the White House at a time when Churchill was in the United States for the Arcadia Conference to sign the Declaration by United Nations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Honour_Flag

    • Replies: @S
  1247. @turtle

    All the world’s a stage, and we but players on it.

    What do you do if the game is dame, but you want to play chess?

    Why play at all a game you perhaps don’t want, don’t know the rules, because they are kept from you?

    Btw, it wasn’t the first bill to leave UN, and perhaps not the last. But I do think, chances became higher with Trump it passes if required, because it would serve Israel.

    • Replies: @turtle
  1248. turtle says:
    @S

    LOL
    Not sure where you live, but in California, where I live, there was once a corporation called Union Oil of California, later shortened to UNOCAL, which was eventually bought out by Chevron (formerly Standard Oil of California).
    Union Oil marketed gasoline using the “76” brand.
    The logo was an orange ball with the letters 76 in blue, approximating the type face on the “76” flag from 1776. Their marketing slogan was, “Go for the spirit, the Spirit of 76,” which was used in singing commercials on radio & TV. They sold little orange balls with the 76 letters which people could put on the top of their car radio antennas. Some of those still exist. If you are into restoring old cars, it is a nice, authentic touch for a certain era…

    Fast forward to the 1990s.
    Congressional hearings were held, chaired by U.S. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, only recently (involuntarily) retired, concerning UNOCAL’s intentions to build a pipeline through ….
    Afghanistan! to get their Caspian oil to market, and the possible security concerns involved.
    Do you suppose Gen. Smedley Butler had it right?

    • Replies: @S
  1249. turtle says:
    @Germanicus

    don’t know the rules, because they are kept from you?

    The “real” rules, that is, not the “phony rules” you are brainwashed to believe are “the rules.”
    George Carlin had it right, IMO.
    “The game is rigged, folks. The table is tilted.
    There is a big club, but we ain’t in it.”

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  1250. S says:
    @Germanicus

    About Poesche’s New Rome, even in the US where it was published it’s generally unknown. It’s one of the few books I can just about guarantee has never been talked about on TV or radio, including on those late night esoterically themed talk radio shows.

    A very, very, great crime was committed against Germany and the Germany people. The United States should of stayed out of both wars.

    Germany is the center of power upon continental Europe. To obtain total world power, you have to control Europe, and to do that you have to gain control of Germany. Germany is the key. [It’s not just the Capitalist US and UK which said that, the Communist USSR in their writings said the very thing from their vantage point.]

    Due to that aspect alone the Germans were going to be demonized. They, ie the US and UK, couldn’t very well say the truth that we’re fighting for a global empire, ie a ‘New Rome’, when the war was supposed to be being fought against empire. They couldn’t very well say an obvious untruth, ie it was just ‘for kicks’ either. All that was left was the demonization of Germany to justify the war.

    And, had the Germans attempted to appease by becoming a nation of seventy million or so Ghandi like goat herders prior to 1914 or 1939, but still retain much of their core Germanic identity and physical sovereignty, they still would of made war on Germany due to it’s center of power status, and they still would of demonized with the ‘atrocity’ stories. Sadly, a lot of people would of still believed the stories too.

    I read the memoirs of Hans von Luck, a Wehrmacht officer who seemed to be an all around decent guy. He fought everywhere, the Moscow region, Egypt, Normandy, and finally outside Berlin.

    In the book Luck writes that after Germany’s defeat and his long term imprisonment in the USSR, he concluded that Churchill was just the man needed to lead the ‘free world’ and West Germany against Communism.

    Had Luck known about the heavy involvement of Anglo-Saxon power elites and hangers on in the creation of both the 1776 Capitalist and 1789 Communist Revolutions, ie Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Ben Franklin, too, apparently, amongst likely others, London in the background acting as something like a central axis for both ideological systems, I don’t know if he would have reached that same conclusion today regarding Churchill.

    I suppose I see a post war Hans von Luck as symbolic of Germany and the German people today.

  1251. @turtle

    Yes, he had it right.
    It is possible to find out the real rules, but if you do , it will get pretty dangerous.
    It would take more people to have swarm defense.

    • Agree: turtle
  1252. S says:
    @turtle

    Do you suppose Gen. Smedley Butler had it right?

    LOL! Yes, I do.

    The UNOCAL anecdote is particularly telling.

    I think there’s historical embarrassment about the origins of the US flag. The official story goes that after it was designed, by a ‘most remarkable coincidence’ it was found to ‘look a lot like’ the East India Company flag. It was almost a hundred years later (circa 1870’s) they called that first flag the ‘Grand Union’ flag, I think to help distract from its BEIC origins. Usually, though, they simply don’t acknowledge any connection.

    There’s a similar ’embarrasment’ regarding the French Revolution, a seeming loathness to acknowledge that Soviet Communism evolved out of the events of 1789, which in turn is the ‘sister’ revolution of 1776.

  1253. annamaria says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    “the “riddle of the missing Jews” … Knowing how things get lost in the depths of Russia/Soviet Union.”

    — Do you believe that exactly 6.000.000 Jews have been holocausted during WWII? Why you are so against honest research in WWII (“revisionists” have failed”) while peddling at the same time the usual Russophobic propaganda? Russians have lost more people to the Jewish Bolshevik revolution (funded by American Jewish bankers) than any other country ever lost to wars.

    By the way, you do not sound as German; Germans have morals, whereas you cry “revisionists have failed” while demanding from others the unquestionable obedience to holo-biz dogma. It is the holobiz-dogmatism (that you support), which is crumbling in front of our eyes thanks to the available information. Eli Wiesel was a fraud.

    A reminder for you:
    Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn (1918-2008), Nobel-Prize-winning historian and critic of Communist totalitarianism:

    You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the “Russian Revolution.” It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators.

    Perhaps you need to ponder on the statement, “The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators.” Why do zionists are afraid of revisionism and have been imprisoning, assaulting, and killing the researchers in WWII?

  1254. S says:
    @Germanicus

    I’m not sure, it might be.

    If you’re talking at all about the US flag and the ‘gold trim’ some of them have, I’ve seen some presentations where they go into elaborate and difficult to follow legal explanations to explain it which involves ‘corporations’ and ‘sovereinty’. [Some of those persons then infer that it ‘violates the constitution’ and they don’t have to pay taxes or have driver’s licenses, where then, sure enough, they’re arrested.]

    [MORE]

    To me, it says plenty about the US flag having BEIC origins, and that all going back to Jamestown circa 1607 and it’s Virginia Company. One of the very first Jamestown governors was also a director of the BEIC.

    Commerce is important, but not above every last thing, ie a people’s physical, spiritual, and cultural identity.

    Since the founding of the US in 1776 there’s been an internal struggle whether the US would be a traditional ethnicallly based country or a ‘proposition’ commercially based ‘nation’.

    The ‘proposition nation’ has made much headway needless to say, things from the beginning being in their favor. The ethnic/organic based system, though not perfect, is better.

    Regarding that, they ultimately see every expression of identity as ‘Nazi!’TM, including what are termed ‘indigenous’ in North America. In time they will go after them too, and people should fully realize that.

    It’s why they despise Japan.

    Interesting about the U.N. flag. As you no doubt know, both the League of Nations and the United Nations were both US/UK projects.

  1255. @dimples

    They have brains, sadly it’s balls they lack.

  1256. @Cleburne

    There is a definite correlation between Israeli misbehavior and the appearance of Auschwitz articles in the media.

  1257. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

    His name should actually be “exiled off brainstreet”.

  1258. @JohnnyD

    This is true. Finkelstein (who deserves admiration) believes the official story, he just objects to its political exploitation by the Zionists. Guy still has guts, however.

  1259. @JayJonahJameson

    Still, there is entirely too much time and energy spent on the subject. There are far more pressing issues these days….

    Somewhere on Unz today someone mentioned the Israeli-born woman who heads the U S Treasury Dept. office in charge of sanctioning Iran.

    She is the daughter of a Holocaust survivor.
    She is pathologically motivated by the tales told to her of her family’s travails in escaping from the Nazis.

    Curiously, she grew up in Pittsburgh, PA and was a member of one of the congregations that meets at Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh.

    Remarks of Sigal P. Mandelker Under Secretary of the Treasury for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence at the 2019 Days of Remembrance Ceremony United States Capitol
    https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm671
    Mandelker derives inspiration from the example of Henry Morgenthau, Jr:

    “We have a great tradition of this at the Treasury Department.  It is a history that was chronicled in a terrific book by Dr. Rebecca Erbelding, a historian at the Museum, called “Rescue Board:  The Untold Story of America’s Efforts to Save the Jews of Europe.”    
    This history began on April 9, 1940, when immediately after Nazi Germany invaded Denmark and Norway, then Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau called the head of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York and asked him to freeze the accounts of Denmark and Norway in order to immediately block Hitler’s access to those funds.  “Just freeze them,” Morgenthau said.  The following day, President Roosevelt issued an Executive Order formally prohibiting transactions relating to Denmark and Norway, unless the Treasury Department issued a license authorizing a transaction.”

     

    https://israelpalestinenews.org/israel-born-treasury-official-is-at-the-center-of-u-s-policies-on-iran/

    The Woman at the Center of Trump’s Iran Policy
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/07/mandelker-iran-sanctions/594412/

    “[M]ost of America’s punitive actions against Iran are taking place in a world not physical but financial. Sanctions are the key tool the United States uses against what it sees as the Islamic Republic’s provocative behavior—especially for the past three presidential administrations running, and never more so than in this one. And the Treasury official Sigal Mandelker is the one with her hand on the lever.
    . . .
    Because Trump is anxious to avoid war with Iran but also eager to push the Iranians, she is one of the most powerful officials designing the strategy Trump’s administration hopes will force Iranian capitulation—or, failing that, perhaps even the government’s collapse.

    Trump himself touts the achievements of that campaign. “Iran is in big trouble right now. Their economy is crashing,” he said yesterday. “It’s coming to a crash. They’re trying to bring soldiers back home because they can’t pay them. A lot of bad things are happening to them. And it’s very easy to straighten out or it’s very easy for us to make it a lot worse.”
    . . .
    [Trump’s putative goal is to force Iran back to the negotiating table.]
    “But there’s another stated goal, and this is the one Mandelker gets especially animated about. “Bad actors need money to do bad things,” she said, sounding incensed as she ticked off a litany of Iranian misdeeds, from threatening Israel to supporting Syria’s Bashar al-Assad, who she noted has killed his own people with chemical weapons. “That is why we have this massive sanctions regime … Every time we apply that pressure, that crunch on them, we deny them the ability to get that kind of revenue, we make the world a safer place.”   

    She takes it personally as a child of Holocaust survivors, and has spoken publicly about the 1940s-era Treasury Department’s role in freezing Nazi assets around the same time her parents were hiding in Eastern Europe.”

    Notice Mandelker’s complaints about Iran:
    — Iran “threatens Israel”
    — Iran “supports Assad, who ‘gassed his own people’
    But most of all, Holocaust.

    Notice that nothing that Mandelker named in her “animated” and “incensed” list of of Iran’s “misdeeds” is an offense against the United States; rises to the level of a casus belli; withstands the test to truthfulness.
    Mandelker is driven to punish Iran in an attempt to slake her free-floating pathology.

    Moreover, her actions and those of the U S Treasury are contravened by United Nations Conventions, to which USA is a signatory.
    She is carrying out acts of war against Iran.

    Henry Morgenthau, Jr., whom Mandelker appears to admire, acted in the same way, carrying out policies intended to destroy Germany’s economy, initially, at a time when Germany had not only done nothing to harm any American, but also when Jews in Germany were not only not being harmed but against whom NSDAP had actually “quelled physical violence” (see Breitman & Lichtman, FDR and the Jews).

    Mandelker really ought to be branded as a war criminal.

    • Replies: @turtle
    , @annamaria
  1260. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    As soon as you mentioned Babi Yar it was clear there’s no need to take you seriously.

  1261. @Jake

    A good insight, but to me the Indians are the Jews of Asia. They don’t call them HinJews for nothing.

  1262. turtle says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Can you say “conflict of interest?”
    IMO, it should be prohibited for anyone holding “dual (or multiple) citizenship” to hold any office in the U.S Gov’t which involves dealing with other sovereign nations. Doesn’t matter which nation, either. I have read that Great Britain had an extensive spy network in the U.S. during WWII. That appears to be S.O.P. No human can serve two masters.

    Why are we putting up with this?

    Iran “threatens Israel”

    So? BFD.
    The State of Israel is NOT the United States of America,
    These are two distinct countries, with entirely different reasons for existence, and entirely different sets of values. Anyone who tell you differently is lying through his teeth, whether intentionally or otherwise.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  1263. @anarchyst

    Yes, it’s the only historical event for which absence of evidence is taken as proof it happened.

  1264. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    That is a fair point, but the claims against the Japanese, while doubtless embellished by the Americans, are at least believable. (And no sensible revisionist questions that the Germans did commit war crimes.)

  1265. @Fran Taubman

    Anne Frank’s story is tragic, but she undercuts the establishment story (because she was sent west from a supposed “death camp”, for medical treatment!).

  1266. @Anon

    No doubt. So now they say Auschwitz was for the Poles, Birkenau (the sister camp) was for the Jews, or some crap like that. A very fluid story, as circumstances dictate.

  1267. @Counterinsurgency

    Whose money would they be taking, if Organized Jewry disappeared?

  1268. @Tusk

    Bomba the Barber, the original crisis actor.

  1269. @Commentator Mike

    LOL @ Yitzak Arad.

    On the Jan Sehn Institute’s fraudulent attempt to explain away the Prussian blue issue:

    http://vho.org/GB/c/GR/Fraudulent.html

  1270. annamaria says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “her actions and those of the U S Treasury are contravened by United Nations Conventions, to which USA is a signatory… Mandelker really ought to be branded as a war criminal.”
    — Agree. Guess that Mandelker approves the Jewish State’s support for Ukrainian Banderites (“bad actors need money to do bad things,” in Mandelker’s words). She is a fraud and yes, she is a warmonger — a criminal.

  1271. @Germanicus

    Yes. The fate of Soviet POWs was terrible and tragic, but it was mainly due to the fact that the Germans had no realistic way of tending to them, not a policy of deliberate starvation. (The horrible suffering of Soviet civilians likewise owes much to the Soviet State’s scorched earth policies, and not some fictitious genocide.)

  1272. annamaria says:
    @turtle

    “it should be prohibited for anyone holding “dual (or multiple) citizenship” to hold any office in the U.S Gov’t which involves dealing with other sovereign nations
    — Agree. Mrs. Mandelker is disloyal to the interests of the US, while she is obviously loyal to a foreign state. She and her family should relocate to the Jewish State and reunite with other Jewish supremacists, liars, and warmongers.

  1273. @Fran Taubman

    Why do we need to find them? The believers claim to know exactly where the remains are.

  1274. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Maybe they died somewhere in the SU. Maybe they lived the remainder of their lives in Haifa. Maybe they were abducted by space aliens. But if you believe the official accounts of the AR camps, you believe something absurd. That is the only relevant point.

  1275. annamaria says:
    @Fran Taubman

    “He survived. There are countless stories like this…. The rest is nonsense.
    — Of course. Have you ever pondered on why so many Jews “survived” to claim the “eternal victimhood” and “special Jewish sufferings?” You should reread what you have written.
    Eli Wiesel was a fraud — like many others from the holo-biz industry. The ongoing crimes against humanity committed by zionists in the Middle East and Eastern Europe make holo-biz claims ridiculous.

    What was not ridiculous, was the Bolshevik revolution financed by Jewish bankers and carried out by Jewish Bolsheviks. The profiteering schema of holo-biz versus the enormous Jewish crimes in Russia. No wonder zionists imprison and kill historians and ban documentaries.

    https://truthscooper.wordpress.com/2014/09/12/how-did-zionists-get-solzhenitsyns-last-book-banned/ A

    lexander Solzhenitsyn was a big hero in the USA when his book Gulag Archipelago was published here and won the Nobel Prize in Literature in 1970. The three-volume book is a narrative relying on eyewitness testimony and primary research material, as well as his own experiences as a prisoner in a Soviet forced labor camp. The book, was, of course, banned in the bad old USSR-darn those commies and their censorship!

    So imagine my surprise when I found out his last book, Two Hundred Years Together, about Jews in Russia, was banned in almost every language, except German and French. Let’s see what Wikipedia, which appears to be edited by Mossad, has to say about it:

    “The book stirred controversy and is viewed by most historians as unreliable in both factual data and ideological approach, as well as antisemitic.” This is CLASSIC Zionist BS-any criticism of Israel, Zionism, or any vaguely negative statement about Jews and you are Hitler.

    https://tarbaby.wordpress.com/2017/08/01/who-financed-lenin-and-trotsky/
    “…the Bolshevik revolution was financed by wealthy financiers in London and New York. Lenin and Trotsky were on the closest of terms with these moneyed interests both before and after the Revolution.”

  1276. annamaria says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “both Irving and Goldhagen are to be despised.”
    — And what is your opinion of the Jewish State (prez Bibi) that has been financing Banderites and self-proclaimed neo-Nazi? https://972mag.com/israel-arms-exports-neo-nazis-ukraine/141942/

    You cannot accuse historians of antisemitism only because you do not like facts.

    The Jewish State behavior, on the other hand, it truly despicable.

    • Agree: Miggle
  1277. Miggle says:
    @Jake

    Jake, I agree with you regarding the Pharisees. But being a WASP (which doesn’t necessarily mean Puritan: Luther and Calvin were not Puritans) I am intrigued by this part of your comment:

    WASP culture was determined by the Judaizing heresy Anglo-Saxon Puritanism.

    Please explain the heresy of the Puritans. What is the relevant WASP culture or practice? Among heresies, how does it compare with digging up Wycliffe’s bones and burning them to ashes and throwing the ashes into the river to make God powerless to resurrect Wycliffe’s body? How does it compare with the notorious heresy of the Mass, purporting repeatedly to sacrifice Christ’s body when Christ’s sacrifice was the perfect sacrifice and, as the Epistle to the Hebrews makes clear several times, that perfect sacrifice, being perfect, was “once for all”, can’t be repeated? Incidentally, what is the motive behind that Papist heresy, the Mass?

    In particular, “Judaizing heresy”? Judaizing? You mean the Roman “Catholic” priesthood of France was unanimously anti-Dreyfusard, supporting a demonstrably unjust conviction, but the French Protestants were Dreyfusards? Oh, sorry, they weren’t Anglo-Saxons. Well, do you mean Oliver Cromwell stood for freedom of religion, so let Jews into the country, was (at the time of his death) negotiating with the Pope to adopt a posture that would allow an end to the discrimination in England that was the consequence of the century of Bloody Mary and Guy Fawkes? That’s Judaizing? Or you mean a different “heresy”? Please explain.

  1278. @Corvinus

    The fact of the matter is that you’re a cuck.

  1279. @Germanicus

    “Americans brought us culture, civilization, democracy and all this good stuff.”

    We did? There’s your problem. Get rid of it and you’ll be fine.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  1280. @Wizard of Oz

    Well, there’s this:

    https://splinternews.com/how-france-went-from-free-speech-rallies-to-54-hate-spe-1793844772

    Do you really believe Gaysott and such have no teeth?

    BTW, the 4.5M you refer to was based on immediate post-war estimates, it was changed to 6M (the number 6 apparently has some kind of mystical significance) when Jewish organizations claimed, without any proof, that the number of Jews in pre-war Europe was higher than previously believed.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    , @Fox
  1281. @FB

    Soviet troops. And no other Allied troops were anywhere near the “death camps” (unless Obama’s uncle was in the Red Army).

  1282. @FB

    Murdered a whole bunch of people => holocaust?

  1283. @Commentator Mike

    Sturdy-Colls LOL:

    http://newobserveronline.com/smithsonian-red-faced-after-treblinka-star-of-david-tiles-shown-to-be-not-jewish-at-all/

    She found human remains (nothing like a “mass grave”) at Treblinka I, which no one has ever said was anything but an ordinary labor camp. She was poking around there, waiting for the Chief Rabbi of Poland (a New Yorker!) to show up and warn her when to stop probing Treblinka II (and he quickly put a stop to it).

  1284. @Oemikitlob

    Actually he’s just a contemptible cuck who enjoys humiliating himself.

  1285. @FB

    So where are the bodies of those POWs?

  1286. Wally says: • Website
    @FB

    said:
    “… these kinds of deranged and sadistic episodes played out many thousands of times during the reign of terror of the Nazi scum…”

    – No, hasbarist, they didn’t ‘play out’ and you have no proof they did. It’s as simple as that.
    You and those like you are all bluff.

    new from Inconvenient History and CODOH:

    The Inaugural Robert Faurisson International Prize
    Storyboard by Michèle Renouf (Assemblage totale by Tony Gamblin)
    By Robert Faurisson , Michèle Renouf : https://codoh.com/library/document/6744/?lang=en

    Half-Way Revisionism: David Cesarani’s Last Stand, By Panagiotis Heliotis : https://codoh.com/library/document/6767/?lang=en

    • Replies: @FB
  1287. Wally says:
    @FB

    said:
    “Like I said the liberating Russian and Allied troops DOCUMENTED extremely thoroughly what they found in the death camps…”

    – Really? What “documentation” are you referring to?
    Come on let’s go, present your alleged “documents”. We’ll hand your head to you.

    briefly:

    – You mean ‘documents” presented At Nuremberg which “proved” that the Germans steamed Jews to death like lobsters?
    – You mean ‘documents” presented At Nuremberg which “proved” that the Germans used Atomic bombs on Jews?
    – You mean ‘documents” which “proved” that the Germans made soap out of Jews.
    – You mean ‘documents” which “proved” that the Germans killed thousand of Poles at Katyn even though the Soviets later admitted that is was they who did the killing?
    – You mean ‘documents” which “proved” that the Germans made lampshades from human skin?
    – You mean ‘documents” which were obtained by smashing the testicles of Germans in order to receive “confessions”?
    – Recall this fact of Nuremberg: English translations of Russian translations of Polish copies of an alleged German original which cannot be found are typical Nuremberg ‘documents.’
    – Why weren’t documents / forensic studies of the alleged ‘cyanide and diesel gas chambers’ presented Nuremberg?
    – the so called ‘Holocaust’ / theatre of the absurd:
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66

    No alleged human remains of millions to be seen in allegedly known locations, no ‘holocaust’.

    http://www.codoh.com

  1288. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    historians are reliably certain that killer whales were not used to murder Jews

    You mean antisemitic historians.

    Non-antisemitic historians would never ever rule out any mechanism from th machinery of death… electric conveyor belts that vaporised victims; people being melted in their hundreds by steam; people being forced to fight a bear (or alternatively, an eagle)… killer whale attack is equally plausible, and to claim to be ‘reliably certain’ that killer whales were excluded from the death machinery is a blood libel.

    We all remember the billions killed at Bethar (Gittin 57b)…although that’s been revised downwards to 4-40 million.

    Nevuzaradan, the head of the henchmen, killed two million one hundred and ten thousand [people]; and in Jerusalem, he killed nine hundred and forty thousand upon one stone…

    …Hadrian Caesar who killed in Alexandria in Egypt six hundred thousand upon six hundred thousand, twice the amount that came out from Egypt. “The voice of Yakov – this [refers to] Vespasian Caesar, who killed in the city of Beitar four million [people], and some say, forty million.

    Originally, the tractate was expressed in myriads, not “millions” – and totalled billions.

    Probably killer whales there, too. To suggest otherwise is hate speech.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  1289. @Beefcake the Mighty

    the number 6 apparently has some kind of mystical significance

    [MORE]

    The 600,000 Neshamos

    …all Jewish souls exist as one undifferentiated singularity.
    …Then there is the division into the twelve tribes
    …After that, each of the seven emotional attributes itself consists of ten sub-attributes, and this is the next division, into seventy
    …The souls then subdivide further into 600,000. The Torah relates that at Mount Sinai, there were 600,000 men present between the ages of twenty and sixty. ….these men possessed the souls of the entire Jewish people, for there are altogether 600,000 Jewish souls (and no more).
    …The number 600,000 also stems from the six Sefiros in Atzilus . Every Sefirah contains all ten Sefiros
    … and so the six contain 60, and then 600, and so on, until they reach 600,000.

  1290. @Germanicus

    Everything is turned up side down, it is sickening.

    True.

    And what’s even more sickening is that people swallow the upside down version whole without hesitation, and will fight tooth and nail anything that upsets the bullshit.

    The good thing is that once a person recognizes the concept, the rest is easy.

  1291. @The Germ Theory of Disease

    The mass persecution of European Jews by the Nazi regime during the Second World War is an established historical fact.

    No, it is not.

    The fact is that war propaganda still prevails as “established fact.” It was largely Zionists who were the promoters, embellishers, and exaggerators of any “persecution” of Jews that went on. It pays to recall that New York Jews declared war on Germany in 1933, the year that the Nazis finally came into power. Another fact is that the Christians had long been persecuted at the hands of the moneyed non-goyim which is exactly why “the” holocaust must be taught, and why anyone who questions the bullshit has to be slapped down.

    Kindly get the “facts” straight.

  1292. @Hans Vogel

    … the US has gone full-blown nazi.

    Zio-Commie-Fascist-Plutocrat, yes, but definitely not Nazi. The Nazis actually seem to have cared about their working classes.

    “And thus we are one step nearer to the great war ‘against Fascism’ (cf. 1914, ‘against militarism’) which will allow Fascism, British [and ‘Merkin] variety, to be slipped over our necks during the first week.”

    -George Orwell, SPILLING THE SPANISH BEANS, (1937)

  1293. Miggle says:
    @Jake

    WASP culture was determined by the Judaizing heresy Anglo-Saxon Puritanism.

    Jake, I’ve skimmed through the Wiki page on the Puritans, looking unsuccessfully for indications of a Judaic heresy among them. It needs further reading, is fascinating, but I now sort of know who they were: Anglicans who wanted to purify the Anglican Church. At least originally. But apparently the word “Puritan” was not used by the Puritans, only by others referring to them. And the American Puritans engaged in witch hunts and murdered Quakers. Very intolerant. Sickening. But in that era all denominations went on witch hunts, or a few members of all did.

    I’ve so far found nothing to indicate a Judaizing heresy among them. Except, apparently they were strong on OT covenants, a bit like the Christian Zionist nutcases of today but without their sinister motive. Is that the “Judaizing heresy” you meant?

    Or do you mean Protestant doctrines are based on the words of the Bible including the OT (where NT-compatible), rather than on Papal decrees? And because the OT is involved, therefore Judaizing?

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  1294. FB says: • Website
    @Wally

    Get lost you soft-headed moron…

    Have you ever traveled through eastern Europe and Russia…?

    Didn’t think so…

    Well I have…many times, starting in the 1980s when there were still many survivors of the Nazi extermination of Slavs…

    I specifically addressed my earlier comment to you about that Czech village I visited where the entire population was rounded up and shot by Homo Nazi Scum…for suspicion of harboring a resistance fighter [who was never found]…

    Read that comment again, you soft-headed moron…you failed to respond to it then… and now you’re squirting some asshat codoh diarrhea…

    That woman that survived, including six weeks in that pit where they threw the dead…was only seven at the time…even today go to any village in eastern Europe and see what the ordinary folks say about the Homo Nazi Scum…

    But that kind of traveling is not possible for trailer trash like you…who is lucky to go as far as the back isle at Walmart…

    A soft headed moron who would get his head kicked in if he went to Eastern Europe or Russia…

  1295. annamaria says:
    @FB

    Don’t’ project, “FB” — “… the deranged and sadistic episodes played out many thousands of times” by Jews against Palestinians, and before that, against Russians.

    As for “Homo Nazi Scum,” look no farther than your Jewish State that has been arming and financing neo-Nazi in Ukraine, whereas the main 52 Jewish American organizations have been in arms protecting the Banderites from any inconveniences. https://www.alternet.org/2014/11/how-israel-lobby-protected-ukrainian-neo-nazis/

    If passed, Conyers’ amendment would have explicitly barred those found to have offered “praise or glorification of Nazism or its collaborators, including through the use of white supremacist, neo-Nazi, or other similar symbols” from receiving any form of support from the US Department of Defense.

    The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and the Simon Wiesenthal Center, two of the country’s largest established Jewish pressure groups … refused to support Jeffries and Conyers’ proposal.

    The traitorous supporters of AIPAC: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pro-israel-lobby-aipac_n_5c7d677fe4b0a571d36eb3bc

    And how come that you accusing other of being a “soft headed moron” but you have been missing — totally — the ongoing mass slaughter in the Middle East. The mass slaughter is the Wars for Eretz Israel.

    • Replies: @FB
  1296. @Oemikitlob

    We did?

    Of course not, is there any culture in the US? Has there ever been one, except the root cultures the Europe americans have disconnected from?

    Like EMJ said, the US has gone from uncivilized to decadence, left out culture.

    • Replies: @Oemikitlob
  1297. @Germanicus

    Yes, I was kidding you, of course, and I agree.

  1298. FB says: • Website
    @annamaria

    Look you disgusting Nazi Hosebag…

    I have been fighting for the Palestinians for a long time…my comments here bear that out…

    You know this very well and saw my comment to the Homo Nazi ‘germanicus’…

    You talk a lot about the Nazis in Ukraine…yet here you are practically fellating the Homo Nazi retards…

    You have ZERO credibility about Ukraine…in fact you are for sure a Ukrainian Homo Nazi yourself…

    Get the hell out of my hair…and stay out…

    • Replies: @annamaria
  1299. Wally says:
    @FB

    – Yep, been all through E. Europe & Russia. Lovely people. I never heard a word about the impssible narrative that you laughablt belive in.

    In fact there are supposedly many huge mass graves in E. Europe & Russia which Jews say contain immense amounts of human remains, but the problem for those like you is that those claimed human remains do not exist. I challenge you to show them to us.
    Hey, it’s your Jews who make the claims, not me.

    Please give us the names of just three of your “survivors”. Tell us in their own words what they claim, where, when, & how many were supposedly murdered.?
    We await.

    BTW, here’s tons of “survivors” of witchcraft, court trials, and real documents. here you go: Witchcraft Documents, Testimony, Eyewitnesses: http://salem.lib.virginia.edu/home.html
    It must be true.

    said: “That woman that survived, including six weeks in that pit where they threw the dead…was only seven at the time…even today go to any village in eastern Europe and see what the ordinary folks say about the Homo Nazi Scum…

    – And you believe that?
    A seven year old staying six weeks in a pit without food or water while corpses were being tossed on her? LOL
    So why don’t we see the claimed human remains in that laughable pit? Hey you said it, not me.
    Then maybe those “ordinary villagers” can show us the claimed human remains, because you certainly cannot. LOL

    Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the laughable ‘holocaust’ storyline is the message.

    • Replies: @FB
  1300. annamaria says:
    @FB

    Why the hysterics, “BF?” You have been outed on this forum as an apologist of zionists. Didn’t you approve Nuland-Kagan and her successful operation of regime change in Kiev? The then CIA Director Brennan was heavily involved in the initiation of the ongoing civil war in Eastern Ukraine.

    You seem became offended by the references to the Jewish State’s support of Banderites in Ukraine. Why?

    You have not been honest with regard to the zionists’ assault on the First Amendment, including the imprisonment, physical assaults, and murdering those historians who dared to question the holo-biz industry dogmas.

    Here for you, “FB,” a repost of the relevant links:
    https://www.alternet.org/2014/11/how-israel-lobby-protected-ukrainian-neo-nazis/

    If passed, Conyers’ amendment would have explicitly barred those found to have offered “praise or glorification of Nazism or its collaborators, including through the use of white supremacist, neo-Nazi, or other similar symbols” from receiving any form of support from the US Department of Defense.

    The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and the Simon Wiesenthal Center, two of the country’s largest established Jewish pressure groups … refused to support Jeffries and Conyers’ proposal.

    Why do you avoid the matter of the Jewish Lobby support for those who “praise or glorify Nazism or its collaborators, including through the use of… neo-Nazi, or other similar symbols?”

    Your adolescent and hysterical wording,” you have ZERO credibility about Ukraine…in fact you are for sure a Ukrainian Homo Nazi yourself,” showed that the facts about the Jewish Lobby’s dishonesty touched a zionist nerve.

    • Replies: @Truth3
    , @Jacques Sheete
  1301. Wally says: • Website
    @FB

    – The exact locations of the human remain from MH370 are not claimed to be known, but the millions upon millions of alleged “holocaust” remains ARE claimed to be in known, specific locations. Ouch!

    – We notice that you cannot refute what I posted, as usual.

    – Prove to us that entire families were murdered.
    Tell us how they were supposedly murdered & where?
    Please show us the alleged human remains.
    I remind you that many old and not so old people sit around and look at old photos of their deceased loved ones, death is in fact a part of life. So what?

    I have demolished you ‘seven year old dew sucking woman who didn’t require food to live’ in another post in this thread, see #1340.
    Hey, did you know that “survivors” said the Germans employed gas that allowed the gassed victims to walk to a mass grave before dying?

    “Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the “survivors”? Because it “dishonors the dead”? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble.”

    – Gerard Menuhin / righteous Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist

    You have no chance in debate and know it. Hence your desperate, childish displays of name calling.

  1302. Truth3 says:
    @annamaria

    He’s upset because his Hasbarite boss deducted 100 shekels from his pay when Ron Unz put the flamethrower onto his ass.

    Plus, he got crabs from the Tel Aviv brothel he frequents. Makes him ‘crabby’.

  1303. Exador says:

    To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”
    -Voltaire

  1304. FB says: • Website
    @Wally

    Yep, been all through E. Europe & Russia.

    BULLSHIT.

    A Homo Nazi softhead like you went to Russia…?

    Spouting his Homo Nazi Bullshit…?

    You’d have your head turned into a gravy boat in five minutes you lying faggot.

    [MORE]

    A seven year old staying six weeks in a pit without food or water while corpses were being tossed on her? LOL

    Yeah you laugh you disgusting faggot…I’d like to see you LOL me to my face faggot…that woman was a dignified, lovely person who I will never forget…

    You’re such a faggot fudge packer that you are incapable of even reading…I included the link to that comment that was addressed to you, faggot…

    …she told me she survived because some kind-hearted shepherd heard her cries and would throw her some bread…she would lick the dew on the stone walls of the pit in order to get moisture…she was seven at the time and she survived like that for six weeks before she could be rescued…

    That village has a monument with hundreds of names inscribed in copper, of those brutally murdered by Nazi scum…

    Name fucking names…?

    You have just destroyed any shred of trailer trash credibility you ever had…you’re cock-inhaling ass isn’t even aware of the fact that the psychopath Heydrich was assassinated by Czech partisans…and the retribution against ordinary Czechs ordered by Shitler himself…

    Lidice (German: Liditz) is a village in the Kladno District of the Czech Republic, 22 kilometres (14 mi) northwest of Prague. It is built near the site of the previous village of the same name, which was completely destroyed in June 1942 on orders from Adolf Hitler and Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler in reprisal for the assassination of Reich Protector Reinhard Heydrich.

    In reprisal for the assassination of Reich Protector Reinhard Heydrich in the late spring of 1942,[1] all 173 males from the village who were over 15 years of age were executed on 10 June 1942.[2]

    Another 11 men who were not in the village were arrested and executed soon afterwards, along with several others who were already under arrest.[2]

    The 184 women and 88 children were deported to concentration camps; a few children who were considered racially suitable and thus eligible for Germanisation were handed over to SS families and the rest were sent to the Chełmno extermination camp where they were gassed.

    –Lidice Massacre

    The Nazi occupation of Czechoslovakia had tragic consequences for Lidice. In order to suppress the growing anti-Fascist resistance movement, security police chief SS Obergruppenfuhrer – Reinherd Heydrich was appointed deputy Reichs-protektor in September 1941. During his short reign of terror, 5000 anti-Fascist fighters and their helpers were imprisoned.

    The courts working under martial law were kept busy and the Nazis even had people summarily executed without a trial in order to spread fear throughout the country. So many people throughout the Sudetenland died on the scaffold from Heydrich’ s persecution, that he earned himself the nickname the “Hangman”.

    The most significant act of resistance was the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich during a mission codenamed: Operation Anthropoid. Two Czech patriots, Jan Kubis and Joseph Gabcik, serving with the Polish forces in Britain, volunteered to be dropped by parachute near Prague.

    Their mission, to assassinate SS Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich, the Reich Protector of Bohemia and Moravia. The ambush took place on May 27, 1942, as Heydrich drove to his office. Severely wounded, he was rushed to Bulovka Hospital where he died eight days later.


    The psychopath Heydrich, who was offed by a couple of brave resistance fighters…

    The Germans raided 5,000 towns and villages arresting some 3,180 people, 1,344 were sentenced to be executed. This number however was far to small for Adolf Hitler who ordered severe reprisals threatening to kill 30,000 Czechs.

    On the morning of June 9,1942 10 trucks filled with Security Police rolled into the small town of Lidice in the Kladno district…

    All men of the village were rounded up and taken to the farmstead of the Horák family on the edge of the village. Mattresses were taken from neighboring houses where they were stood up against the wall of the Horáks’ barn.

    Shooting of the men commenced at about 7 a.m. At first the men shot in groups of five, but the SS commanders thought the executions were proceeding too slowly and ordered that ten men be shot at a time.

    –The Massacre at Lidice

    —List of Massacres in the Czech Republic

    Do you think you can fool someone who really has been in Eastern Europe…?

    What a laughable Homo…you really think the real world is the way it’s painted by the faggot losers at codoh…

    Lovely people.

    Yeah, they are lovely people you lying homo…which is why they tore to shreds any Germans they could get their hands on, after the Red Army swept through…the Germans are still crying crocodile tears over Czech treatment of Germans after the war…

    Czechs would tear a Homo Nazi like you to shreds…you don’t know shit about Slavic people…they are kind, but don’t get on their wrong side…

    What a huge, steaming pile of shit from Homo Wally…who can only thank his lucky stars that he has never been to Russia and Eastern Europe…

  1305. @FB

    So you have visited Czech village where everybody was shot. and only one women did survive.
    But you forgot the village name. (Strange! So let me allow you to help a little bit.)
    There was no Czech village!
    There were two Czech villages! One was named Lidice and other was named Lezhaky.
    This is what happened!
    English MI6 recruited four (or two I am not sure now) Czech emigrants for the mission. They gave them basic military training than they did equip them with weapons and parachuted them in one of those villages. They did stay for a few days.Than they went to Prague. Their mission was to kill (or assassinate) Heidrich who was German Governor of Czech republic.
    They first did find out daily travel of Heidrich from home to work.
    At one day at planned place one of them jumped in front of the car. The driver did stop the car .
    In the mean time the other did aim the machine gun. But the machine gun did jam.
    He threw down the gun and pulled out a grenade pulled out the safety pin and thru it into car.
    (It was open car no rooftop)
    Heidrich was mortally wounded but he did survive for two days.
    Than he died,
    Gestapo eventually was able to trace their route and did find those two villages where they did stay.
    Than SS came and shut all males in those two villages who were above 15.
    The females were not shot whatsoever.
    Those who participated in assassination were shut also.

  1306. Robjil says:

    The six million number is a Jewish religious theme.

    The concept of Guzma, rabbinical exaggeration is common device used by our Zion and State rulers.

    We see it all the time in our “free Zion BC press”.

    The six number is a common Guzma theme.

    “The Rabbinical Exaggeration or ‘Guzma’ is a common device employed by jewish religious writers and authorities; both past and present, and finds common utilization in the Babylonian Talmud for example.

    (1) Its origins lie in the unusual and exaggerated tales told by rabbinical authorities in the Mishnah and Gemara to make a specific point: so if say Maimonides had been speaking to Nachmanides they might use a guzma to make a point of scale.”

    The Guzma six number has been used over and over again for the six million question of WWII.

    600000 Israelites came out of Egpyt in the Exodus to go to ancient Israel.

    Multiple by ten and a new Exodus to Israel in order to get Israel back in 1948.

    Number ten is the Tree of Life, Sefirot, the ten aspects of Yahweh.

  1307. Theodore says:
    @FB

    You seem really troubled, buddy. Why so much hatred and anger? Why do you wish violence on other people just because they don’t believe in Jews being gassed? You shouldn’t be so emotionally attached to something that is over 7 decades old.

    Try to act more civilized if you want people to even consider your positions. Just a suggestion; no reason to waste your one life fuming with such intense, burning hatred 🙂

    “Then one day I realized that a false picture of the German camps had been created and that the problem of the concentration camps was a universal one, not just one that could be disposed of by placing it on the doorstep of the National Socialists. The deportees – many of whom were Communists – had been largely responsible for leading international political thinking to such an erroneous conclusion. I suddenly felt that by remaining silent I was an accomplice to a dangerous influence.”
    – Paul Rassinier, a French Communist who was persecuted by the Nazis, forced into a horrible concentration camp

    Do you wish this guy was beaten up too?

    • Replies: @FB
  1308. Wally says:
    @FB

    – Nope.
    E. Europeans & Russians have no attachment to the silly impossible nonsense / religion that you laughably spew. LOL

    – Ooooh, you’re such a macho tough guy ….. from behind your laptop in your mother’s basement . LOL
    – We note that you continue to desperately dodge the information which demolishes your Zionist propaganda. We know why.
    Lidice propaganda from Wikipedia? LOL
    Seriously? Laughable Zionist controlled Wikipedia?
    It’s amazing why anyone would cite Wikipedia as a reference for anything which Jews have a special interest in promoting. It’s rather like asking the wolf to guard the chicken coop.

    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189
    How Israel and Its Partisans Work to Censor the Internet: https://www.unz.com/article/how-israel-and-its-partisans-work-to-censor-the-internet/?highlight=wikipedia
    Oops.

    Facts about Lidice:

    – As strange as it may seem, retaliation was allowed under international law.
    – Only military age men were shot, women & children were not.
    – Lidice is a drop in the ocean compared to the Communist crime of Katyn, the Communist gulags, the Allied crimes of massive civilian bombing of Germany long before Germany retaliated on a much, much smaller scale against Britain, The US A-bombing of Japan, the summary execution of countless surrendered Germans by the allies. I could go on.
    – Heydrich brought many improvements to the Czechs.
    – It was ‘The Allies” that were truly evil.

    I suggest you stop believing Zionist Hollywood movies. Try looking at the alternatives for a change. Things are not what Zionist / Jew propaganda tell us. Time to grow up.

    No alleged human remains of millions to be seen in allegedly known locations, no ‘holocaust’.

    • Replies: @FB
  1309. Fox says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    The book “The First Holocaust” by Don Heddesheimer reproduces facsimile articles from various newspapers which had the SIX MILLION as a topic, prior to 1939. The first one is from 1905 in an article from the New York Times, the Russians were killing 6 millions at that time.
    Until recently, the book was freely available, but how the latest snuffing-out-of-verifiable-information undertaking by seriously interested parties have affected availability, I do not know. The book is very interesting.

  1310. Fox says:
    @FB

    Lidice, the Czech village you are referring to: The village gave shelter to Heydrich’s assassins and in response male villagers above 14 were shot; women and children were spared.
    This was certainly a harsh treatment, but you should none-the-less stay truthful. You, and the people in Eastern Europe who have to argue away the enormous crimes committed on Germans as soon as they had a free hand to do so, even after announcing their intent well before that (such as Poland already promoting the annexation and depopulation of Eastern Germany in the 1920s (and announcing this same plan even in the 19th Century, when Poland was still bound by the circumstances it had itself maneuvred into previously), or the Czechs with their self-appointed mouthpiece Benes who announced to write German history in Czecho-Slovakia in 1943 “in blood”), are spooked by your own immorality. Have the Poles and the Czechs vacate the part of Germany they took and depopulated, have them say: “We are sorry”, and have them make a sincere gesture of goodwill towards Germany, the neighbor they will have for a very long time to come.
    Furthermore, if I remember correctly, about 180 people lost their life in the reprisal at Lidice, all the while German cities were smashed by Allied terror bombers with thousands, tens of thousands, and in the case of Dresden at least 250000 dead.
    If you are so outraged, would you add a few sentences to that effect, expressing strong disapproval of the Allied bombing of German cities?

    • Replies: @FB
    , @FB
  1311. FB says: • Website
    @Theodore

    On your way Homo Nazi…

    Like I give a shit about the handful of twisted Nazi faggots here…there are some just like you on the Zionist side defending Israeli crimes…all the same shit…

  1312. @FB

    Like I give a shit about the handful of twisted Nazi faggots here

    You are projecting too much your homosexual fantasies onto others.

    You are a typical holocaust propagandist, who constantly moves the goal posts, and makes use of typical jewish vulgarity.
    You are simply incapable to have a proper factual discussion, you repulsive, degenerate mental midget.
    It is people like you, who enforce thought crime laws to protect your insane lies.

    • Agree: turtle, Jacques Sheete
    • Replies: @turtle
  1313. @FB

    Such language! Do you kiss your boyfriend with that mouth?

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  1314. annamaria says:
    @FB

    Oy vey, “FB” is upset and is seething with hatred.

    Agree with “Theodore” who wrote to “FB:”
    — “Why do you wish violence on other people just because they don’t believe in Jews being gassed?”

    Is this violent hatred because you, “FB,” belong to holo-biz? What’s you agenda on this forum?

  1315. FB says: • Website
    @Wally

    Hey Homo Wally…

    [MORE]

    You try to bring in a lot of BS about Katyn…communust gulags…even the atomic bombing of Japan…as if that has anything to do with Czechoslovakia during Homo Nazi occupation and their many crimes against white Christian folks there…

    You are simply flailing about wildly…like the flustered puff pastry that you are…

    You claim you could go to Czechia and tell the Czechs that Heydrich ‘brought many improvements to the Czechs.’

    You would be instantly snuffed out like the helpless little homo you are…

    Why did the Czechs turn on the Germans so brutally after liberation if they had not been badly mistreated…?

    That is simple logic Homo Wally…but you have no answers for simple logic do you…?

    In the months following the end of the war “wild” expulsions happened from May until August 1945. Czechoslovak President Edvard Beneš on 28 October 1945 called for the “final solution of the German question” (Czech: konečné řešení německé otázky) which would have to be solved by deportation of the ethnic Germans from Czechoslovakia.

    —Expulsion of Germans from Czechoslovakia

    Nobody in Czechia regrets kicking out the Germans…

    The Czech–German Decleration of August, 1997…

    The German side took full responsibility for the crimes of the Nazi regime and their consequences (the allied expulsion).

    “The German side is conscious of the fact that the National Socialist policy of violence towards the Czech people helped to prepare the ground for post-war flight, forcible expulsion and forced resettlement.”

    So the Czech people don’t share my ‘fantasies’…?

    And while you were in Czechia I suppose you must have taken The Tour…

    World War II in Prague

    The Assassination of Rinhard Heydrich

    Our guides are Czech historians and licensed professionals, all with a special interest and focus on WW2.

    A tour of Prague’s darkest days: the terror of Nazi occupation and the fight to rid this city of the invaders.

    Prague was key to Hitler’s plans for world domination. Threatened with total obliteration, after the Munich betrayal,the Czech people took matters into their own hands.

    Revisit the battleground of the Old Town, witness the power of Nazi propaganda. Explore the last hideout of Prague resistance in the underground tunnels of the old town and see previously hidden documentary evidence…

    Meet the few brave men, flown in from Britain to assassinate the Nazi „Butcher of Prague“,the most dangerous man of third reich and the architect of the final solution to the Jewish question, Reinhard Heydrich

    I suppose those Czech historians are ‘edited’ by Wikipedia too…

    And you were ‘all through Eastern Europe’…yet you somehow missed the tour of Butcher Heydrich’s assassination…?

    Come on Homo Wally…why don’t you just admit the truth…?

    You’ve never been to Eastern Europe or Russia…[you just read a lot about those places on codoh…so I guess that kind of ‘counts’ in Homo Wally World…]

    You are one pathetic softhead Homo Wally…I almost feel sorry for your helpless homo ass for dismantling you like this…you have been reduced to the useless blob of gelatin that you are and always were…you realize there’s no coming back from this…?

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Wally
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
  1316. FB says: • Website
    @Fox

    Lidice, the Czech village you are referring to: The village gave shelter to Heydrich’s assassins and in response male villagers above 14 were shot; women and children were spared.

    Is that so…?

    And you pulled that out of your spacious Homo Nazi ass…?

    [MORE]

    Or maybe you have a codoh link like Homo Wally…?

    Here are the facts Homo Nazi retard…

    In 1947, eight-year-old Václav Zelenka returned to the Czech village of Lidice as the last of the town’s lost children.

    In hindsight, Zelenka was lucky: He was one of only 17 child survivors of the Nazis’ June 10, 1942, massacre, an arbitrary act of violence that ultimately claimed the lives of 340 Lidice residents.

    —The Lost Children of the Lidice Massacre

    Zelenka, who later became mayor of the rebuilt village was one of the few children spared, being chosen for ‘Germanization’…

    What happened to the other 71 children of Lidice, Nazi Homo…?

    Miloslava Kalibova’s fate was much different than that of Vaclav’s. At the tender age of nineteen, she was sent to Ravensbruck when the Nazis invaded her small village.

    Once the women and children were separated, her along with almost all of the other women of Lidice over sixteen were taken to this sub-camp of Auschwitz.

    The few women not dealt this fate were either executed along with the men in Lidice or later at a mass execution in Prague-Kobylisy.

    —Lidice: Remembering the Women and Children

    You Homo Nazis need to remember what you are…uneducated, vulgar swine from the lowest socio-economic rings…unable to provide any actual evidence for your chortling pronouncements…which carry about as much weight as the oinking of a pig…

    • Replies: @Fox
  1317. Wally says:
    @FB

    More proof that the “holocaust” is simply impossible, and the dumbest story ever contrived.

    The Germans destroyed the crematoria, but left the alleged “gas chambers” intact.

    – At Majdanek, the crematorium building was destroyed, but not the alleged “Homicidal gas chamber” – Why? Revisionists claim that these rooms were delousing chambers, where Zyclon-B (a pesticide) was used to fumigate clothing

    – Similarly, at Stutthof, the “Homicidal gas chamber” was left intact whereas the crematoria were destroyed

    – At Auschwitz/Birkenau, the crematorium facilities were dismantled, but the main camp “homicidal gas chamber” rooms at Krema 1 and Block 11 were 100% intact when the Soviets ‘liberated’ the camp in January 1945

    – From Andrew Allen’s article below: [i]”The two most important gas chambers of the entire Holocaust Myth are Leichenkeller 1 of Krema II and Leichenkeller 1 of Krema III. Leichenkeller 1 of Krema II was/is almost entirely complete, with its floor and walls untouched. The roof consisting of two layers of waterproofing and a thick concrete slab roof have partially fallen into the room below. About 35% of the room is still easily accessible. Leichenkeller 1 of Krema III was also left in a highly “inspectable” state, but with its roof completely dropped.”[/i]

    – How many “Sonderkommando” were supposedly forced to take care of these gassed corpses, but miraculously the Germans forgot to kill them?

    Suggested reading:
    Why the Germans Destroyed the Crematoria but left the Gas Chambers Intact
    https://codoh.com/library/document/977/
    Auschwitz, Destruction of Crematories
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=8240
    Why did Germans dynamite “Gas chambers”???
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=5223
    David Cole: Forty-Six Important Unanswered Questions Regarding the Nazi Gas Chambers: https://codoh.com/library/document/987/
    Germar Rudolf: The Rudolf Report – Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects of the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz: http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/trr/
    Stutthof as an “Extermination Camp”: Critical Investigation of the Sources: http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/ccs/4.html%5B/quote%5D

  1318. turtle says:
    @Germanicus

    I think Francis needs to lighten up.

    Then again, perhaps “FB” is really Frau Böttcher from those thrilling days of yesteryear, complete with new wardrobe and a totally fabulous hairdo, marking time until her sex-reassignment surgery.
    Or perhaps FB believes in truth in advertising and is merely the short form of F*ck B*tt.
    Who knows?
    And frankly, who cares?
    As the saying goes, there is no point attempting to have a batle of wits with an unarmed invividual.
    IOW, DFTT.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  1319. FB says: • Website
    @Fox

    More FACTS about the children of Lidice…

    Eighty-two childrens’ fate to this day is a mystery. These children were deported by buses to Lovosice and then traveled by train to Lodz in Poland.

    A telegram from the chief of the security forces gave license for the mass murder of these children.

    Original telegram of H Krumey, authorizing the execution of the Lidice children

    Various testimonies support the theory that these children, who were found incapable of Germanizing, were deported to Chelmno, an extermination camp and gassed.

    Proof of their arrival in Chelmno, given by a gardener, Andrezej Miszak, claims that two lorries with Czech speaking children, ages from very young to about fourteen, came in July of 1942.

    —Lidice: Remembering the Women and Children

    The Homo Nazi swine were of course well versed in killing children…having shot, gassed and otherwise murdered millions of children…many of them white Christian children in Eastern Europe and Russia…

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Fox
  1320. Wally says:
    @FB

    – You’re in denial of the savagery of the Allies. Your problem.

    – Why do you dodge all the information that demolishes your Jew fantasy silliness?

    – You mean the Communist Czechs who were fed Stalinist lies about Germans. Lies that as I have demonstrated are impossible, easily debunked, but you tuck tail & run.

    – Why can’t you show the millions upon millions of alleged human remains that your Jews claim exist in known locations? Oops!

    – Please tell us how the impossible ‘gas chambers’ worked. Oops!

    – Please show us the proof that your alleged “Czech historians” present for the impossible “holocaust”. We await. Just quoting bullshit that has already been debunked does not make it proof. I assume then that is your best shot? LOL

    – How about those survivors” of witchcraft and all of their “documents”? LOL

    – You’re coming unglued & desperate. I have traveled extensively all over Europe & Russia. They are more concerned about low IQ Jews like you than the smart Germans LOL

  1321. FB says: • Website

    I have traveled extensively all over Europe & Russia.

    Why of course you have Homo Wally…that’s why you don’t remember the bronze statue of the 82 murdered children in Lidice…hmm…?

    [MORE]

    The bronze sculpture by Marie Uchytilova in Lidice, Czech Republic commemorates the children who were killed by Nazis in the summer of 1942. It honors a group of 82 children – 42 girls and 40 boys – all of whom were gassed at Chełmno.

    You are truly as stupid as I figured…perhaps stupider…

    You talk to me about ‘dodging’…but here we are discussing one specific subject…which you decided to come at me with…and that is my REAL first-hand account of an atrocity survivor in Czechia…

    You have not even bothered to try to explain why the Czechs took such brutal revenge on the Germans…?

    Is it just in their nature to be cruel…or is there a reason…?

    You waved off the Lidice massacre of CHILDREN AND WOMEN [as well as men] as ‘wikipedia editing’…

    Why you even chortled a few LOLs about Lidice…

    Did you not visit the town…it’s not far from Prague…?

    Did you not tell the mayor who is one of only a handful of children to survive…that the sculpture of 82 children is just a ‘fantasy’…?

    Those are real questions Homo Wally…I want to hear some answers…not your sheep bleating about the price of bananas…

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Jacques Sheete
  1322. @FB

    You are consistently very inaccurate. After Germans taking Sudetenland from Czech and declared Czech Protectorate, Slovaks did ask for independence from Hitler. Hitler did guarantee it, and the result was that Germans did built many armament and munition factories in Slovakia.
    Czechs did not not like that Germans did take from them Sudetenland and did not like the German occupation. But they did not actively rebelled.
    After the end of war there was no widespread expulsion of Germans.
    Only from houses, Built by Czech and Germans on Czech’s part of Sudetenland, and none from Slovakia.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  1323. annamaria says:
    @turtle

    Most likely, “FB” is a psychologically unstable Jewish woman who really-really wants to demonize the Germans. Instead, readers remind her about the fraudulent stories of holo-biz and about the past and present Jewish crimes — and this drives her mad.

    At first, “FB” was sanctimoniously preaching about the absolute truthfulness of holohoax and about the “badness” of any questioning the Wiesel et al’s stories. Since the presented facts did not agree with her preaching, “FB” eventually lost her nerve and exposed herself as a regular zionist — intolerant and hateful.

    • Replies: @turtle
  1324. annamaria says:
    @FB

    Let’s talk about Christians in Syria and about the “most moral” Israeli swines “well versed in killing children.” https://ifamericansknew.org/stat/children.html

    The majority of Palestinian children were killed and injured while going about normal daily activities, such as going to school, playing, shopping, or simply being in their homes.

    “Israel says it launched 200 strikes in Syria since 2017:” https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/09/israel-launched-200-strikes-syria-2017-180905063755959.html

    The Wars for Israel and the destruction of Christian communities in the Middle East: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/.premium-anti-assad-you-are-supporting-the-murder-of-christians-1.5460758
    The apartheid Jewish State and discrimination against Christianity: https://ifamericansknew.org/history/rel-christians.html

    When Israel was established in 1948, the Palestinian Christian community had numbered 200,000, compared to roughly 600,000 Jews in Palestine at the time. Now the Christians are not even one percent of the population of Israel/Palestine.

  1325. annamaria says:
    @FB

    Your tribe had bled Russia almost to death. The millions of Russians, tortured and murdered by the Jewish Bolsheviks, don’t have their memorials. They should. https://www.rbth.com/society/2013/07/16/the_tsar_files_who_killed_the_romanovs_28121.html

    Yakov Mikhaylovich Yurovsky served as the superintendent of Ipatiev House in Yekaterinburg… He claims that he personally fired the bullet that killed the czar. The participation of Yurovsky, who was Jewish, in the killing of the last Russian monarch later gave nationalists reason to complain that “our father the Czar was murdered by foreigners. …

    Yurovsky later served as chairman of the Urals Regional Emergency Committee (the forerunner of the Soviet NKVD and later KGB)… Yurovsky died in the Kremlin hospital, which was completely off-limits to all but the most senior government officials. The cause of death was perforation of the duodenal ulcer. According to eyewitnesses, he died in great pain.”

    One of the best known Russian revolutionaries at that time was Leon Trotsky. In January of 1916 Trotsky was expelled from France and came to the United States. It has been claimed that his expenses were paid by Jacob Schiff. …

    On March 23, 1917 a mass meeting was held at Carnegie Hall to celebrate the abdication of Nicolas II, which meant the overthrow of Tsarist rule in Russia. Thousands of socialists, Marxists, nihilists nand anarchists attended to cheer the event. The following day there was published on page two of the New York Times a telegram from Jacob Schiff, which had been read to this audience. He expressed regrets, that he could not attend and then described the successful Russian revolution as “…what we had hoped and striven for these long years.”

    “Slain Russian Tsar, Family Commemorated On 100th Anniversary Of Executions”
    https://www.rferl.org/a/slain-russian-tsar-family-commemorated-on-100th-anniversary-of-executions/29368363.html
    https://www.rferl.org/a/thousands-mark-murder-centenary-of-russian-royal-family/29371599.html

  1326. @Miggle

    Puritans…looking unsuccessfully for indications of a Judaic heresy

    timesofisrael.com
    Biblical history and Mosaic Law permeated the lives — and deaths — of the Massachusetts Bay community

    [MORE]

    the Puritan world in which the hysteria occurred was deeply influenced by Jewish history and religious law. …

    the Puritans nodded directly to Jerusalem by calling their settlement Salem. Obsessed with the Hebrew Bible, these separatists identified with the Exodus from Egypt and the vision of life in a New World, covenanted to God. They called themselves “New Zion,” or “Christian Israel,” and the Old Testament was their guide to naming children, towns and mountains, and the legal source for their founding charters.

    The New Testament received less attention from the Massachusetts Bay Colony’s clergy, and many of the pilgrims’ practices – like Sabbath observance and days of prayer and fasting – were adapted from ancient Israelite tradition. The Puritans referred to their enemies as Philistines and Amalekites – the Hebrews’ former foes. Mosaic Law permeated daily life.

    • Replies: @Miggle
  1327. @FB

    An odd tangent, but Edvard Beneš, who planned the assassination of Heydrich, had the same belief as Suvarov that the Soviet Union was planning to invade Germany while their attention was focused on the West front:

    [MORE]

    “My overall impression is that the Soviets want war, they have prepared for it conscientiously and they maintain that the war will take place – and that they have reserved some freedom of action for themselves… [The pact was] a rather rough tactic to drive Hitler into war… the Soviets are convinced that the time has come for a final struggle between capitalism, fascism and Nazism and that there will be a world revolution, which they will trigger at an opportune moment when others are exhausted by war ”

  1328. Ron Unz says:
    @FB

    Ha, ha, ha…

    The ignorant and extremely emotional ranting of this “FB” character, so heavily laced with profanities, certainly does tend to support the suspicion that he’s one of the various fanatic Jewish-activist types who hangs around this website. Normally, he does his best to maintain his “deep cover,” but every now and then, his mental illness gets the better of him, provoking these sorts of uncontrollable outbursts.

    Endlessly citing the same single German massacre at Lidice in Czechoslovakia is rather silly, given the tens of millions died in the war and the large number of massacres committed on all sides of the conflict.

    Presumably, “FB” is just following the approach taken by pro-Israel activists, who think that citing some occasional massacre of Jewish civilians by Palestinians will cause people to forget the *vastly* larger number of Palestinian civilians massacred by Jewish Israelis. But he’s forgetting that sort of technique works much better if you have total control of the media or of a website.

    But what makes “FB” so silly is that he’s focusing attention on the Lidice reprisals, which resulted from their local involvement in the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich. And anyone who investigates the history a bit soon discovers it totally undercuts the conventional WWII narrative that “FB” is so desperately promoting. As I wrote a few weeks ago:

    Yes, I’ve heard claims that the reason the British and the Communists decided to assassinate Heydrich was that they were concerned that he’d become very popular among the Czechs by extending them the same social welfare benefits that German workers had long enjoyed.

    In support of this hypothesis, assassinating him was pretty easy because he was regularly driven all around Prague in an open car without any bodyguards. One wonders would would have become of Paul Bremmer after Iraq’s “liberation” if he always drove around around Baghdad in an open car without any bodyguards.

    Moreover, there was supposedly a huge turnout of Czech mourners for Heydrich’s funeral procession, with considerable evidence that their sentiments were quite spontaneous and sincere.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-how-hitler-saved-the-allies/#comment-3216047

    Various other commenters, far more knowledgeable than myself, confirmed what I’d said, adding further details.

    Since “FB” is pretending to be some sort of Gentile pro-Stalin-type, perhaps we should consider what would have happened if (say) Beria had been running Lithuania and been assassinated by Western agents with active Lithuanian support. My guess is that something like 100,000 Lithuanians would have killed outright or deported to their deaths in the Gulag.

    Just consider that Kirov’s assassination in 1934 was a major factor leading to Stalin’s Great Purge in which something like a million people perished, even though it’s rather doubtful that Kirov’s killer was actually part of any major conspiracy.

    There certainly are Gentile pro-Stalinists around, including on this very website, but they just don’t react like “FB” or fit his psychological profile…

    • LOL: FB
    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
    , @Miggle
    , @FB
  1329. Fox says:
    @FB

    Why use such foul language?
    Again, how come that you are so outraged about what happened to Lidice, the village that gave shelter to assassins who were sent with the intent to destroy the quite calm relationship between Germany and the Czech state?
    At the same time thousands and ten thousands of people in Germany, and also in France and eventually Italy were murdered by Allied bombs, just for being Germans, or French or Italians and not because they were actively engaged in preparing and aiding an act of terrorism.
    I believe that in the USA giving comfort and aid to the enemies of the state is considered an act of treason.
    The assassins of Heydrich caused immeasurable harm to the world, and the act of reprisal against the inhabitants of Lidice was, I am sure, unfair against some, but there were the confederates of Churchill and the murderers he sent, and they took the risk and made Lidice a hostage in this war.
    I think that a less harsh response would have been better, but again, in a time when Churchill was happy about killing Germans, young and old by the thousands and ten thousands at a time, it is not possible for me to be one-sidedly outraged.
    Just as little as the attack on Coventry, an armaments center, with less than 500 dead, may be compared with the attack on Dresden, not of any particular production importance, with more than 250000 dead from the Anglo-American bombings of February and April of 1945, so it is not sensible to be all outraged about the reprisal in Lidice when a thousand Lidices were committed by the Allies on German towns, and surpassed by a hundred thousand at the end of the war by realizing all the prewar plans against Germany.

    Also, look at comment 1346 by I.Rozumova; the account given there is about what I remember.
    Again, any comment on Benes, the Czech treatment of the Germans during their reign, what they did when they were given the upper hand over the Germans after the war, same for Poles, Eastern Germany, the old plans of eliminating Eastern Germany. Any comment or does all of that make you glad?

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  1330. Fox says:
    @FB

    This telegram says nothing of the sort as you claim. Krumey says that no directive about what is intended for these children has been issued and he asks for information or what is intended for them.
    Apparently he was waiting for further orders.
    You have to cool off a bit, otherwise you’ll have a stroke from high blood pressure.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
    , @FB
  1331. @FB

    A soft headed moron who would get his head kicked in if he went to Eastern Europe or Russia…

    Now that’s what I call a convincing argument.

    Oh, what fine logic you display! “Learn” ’bout de holycaust or you’ll get yer head kicked in. Are we living in 50,000 BC or what?

  1332. @annamaria

    Why the hysterics, “BF?”

    Indeed. However, the Fart Blossom show does begin to shed some light on the craziness that the Nazis were surrounded by and threatened with and the murderous sadism that the Palestinians are subjected to today, which would otherwise be impossible for a sane person to imagine.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  1333. @FB

    On your way Homo Nazi…

    Ha ha! A frustrated impotent nobody with delusions of dominance. I guess it’s ok for the non-goyim to express seething hatred. Does your choseness grant you a license to hate?

  1334. @Jacques Sheete

    does begin to shed some light on the craziness that the Nazis were surrounded by and threatened with

    I would put it present tense, and swap “nazi” for Germans.

    does begin to shed some light on the craziness that the Germans are surrounded by and threatened with

    This craziness and violence is official policy, antifa and other red terrorists are supported and funded by “der Bund”(the occupation regime).

    They even get demonstration pay, they are professional demonstrators, as this document proves. The Antifa and young socialists ask formally for a raise of pay.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @turtle
    , @Fox
  1335. @Germanicus

    There is even an Antifa-ministry.

    The word “sold” in German in specifically and only used for soldier pay.
    It is military language.

    I am unable to edit previous comment.

    They ask for a raise to 45€ per hour.

  1336. @Ron Unz

    Thanks for not censoring such displays; they are very informative as I’m sure you well know.

    As for gentile pro-Stalinists, I’m a goy and due to my brainwashing was a rabid anti-Stalinist until I realized that he played the despicable FDR and Churchill for the fools that they were, and held the one-world usurers at bay for several decades. Therefore, I conclude that he wasn’t completely evil and he certainly ranks higher than the two treasonous mephitic toads (and their handlers) I mentioned who were completely, irredeemably, ineffably, degenerate.

  1337. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Such language! Do you kiss your boyfriend with that mouth?

    Of course he does. Just not on the face …

  1338. @FB

    Those kids, if killed at all, were no doubt killed by the Commies, and the whole deal blamed on the Nazis.

  1339. What happened at Lidice was unquestionably ugly and there’s no doubt German reprisals in the east were often excessive. But the extreme emotionalism and willingness to believe the most absurd claims are beyond ridiculous. A woman who hid in a corpse pit for seven weeks? I mean, come on. I believe FB is a former Soviet subject (not Russian or Jewish), and he illustrates that it’s not just Jews who are completely unbalanced on this topic.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @turtle
    , @Wally
    , @Anon
  1340. @Fox

    Why use such foul language?

    It’s what they are. It’s how they think. It’s like asking why sewers stink. It’s what decent people, such as the Germans were, are, and will always be, faced with.

  1341. Ron Unz says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    I believe FB is a former Soviet subject (not Russian or Jewish), and he illustrates that it’s not just Jews who are completely unbalanced on this topic.

    Well, that’s possible. But “FB” has repeatedly claimed to be an American Gentile, who grew up in the US, so if you’re correct, he’s being dishonest. And it doesn’t seem typical for a former Soviet to claim to claim to be American-born. Moreover, a good deal of his focus has been on American politics of the 1980s or so, which certainly isn’t the case for the various former Soviets here.

  1342. @Ron Unz

    I could be mistaken; I think he’s said he’s traveled through Russia a lot and worked with many Russians (presumably in the military, based on his posts), so I assumed some other Slavic nationality.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @annamaria
  1343. Johan says:

    “So Dr. William Latson will be unemployed and possibly unemployable because he spoke the truth”

    Actually it would be smarter to have him bungling for a while, and after admittance of the error of his ways (according to the established church) take him back. It would be the ultimate victory, and, one also demonstrates mildness and tolerance, which then takes some force away from the opposition (those who demand freedom of speech). I.o.w. all too hard measures taken might blow up in ones faces one day.

  1344. @Ron Unz

    Not really a reply, only a note.
    I do consider a fact that Gavrilo Princip and his conspirators were Serb students in England far more important than anything.
    ……..
    WW1 did happen for solemn reason to break up Austro Hungarian empire.
    For England it represented great danger of development of friendly relations between Germans and Slavs, and also Hungarians.

  1345. Miggle says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    Hippopotamusdrome, thanks. Thanks for that link. Your quote from that article is the key relevant part. It then wanders off talking about how there a Jews everywhere.

    Yes, those American Puritans, called separatists which seems to mean separate from the original Puritans, were up to their necks in Judaizing heresy. Jake was right to call it that.

    But to quote him again:

    WASP culture was determined by the Judaizing heresy Anglo-Saxon Puritanism.

    There was a mad, heretical separatist Puritan culture in Salem, but to say WASP culture was determined by it won’t work. To generalize like that and use it to smear the WASPs of America in general is going too far.

  1346. turtle says:

    My vote:
    U.S. citizen
    Age: early 50s
    Slavic ancestry.
    USAF veteran.
    Pilot, but not fighter pilot.
    Probably jet transports, but not C-5.
    “Extensive” travel” in eastern Europe per military deployment.
    Pseudo-macho repressed homosexual.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  1347. turtle says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    A woman who hid in a corpse pit for seven weeks? I mean, come on.

    An uncovered mass grave with stone walls, where she was visited every day by a “shepherd” who brought her bread, but no water, and left her in the pit, rather than rescue her.
    We could have tons of fun ridiculing that one, step by step.
    But for true believers, truth is only an irritation.
    Why bother?

  1348. turtle says:
    @annamaria

    intolerant and hateful

    Not to mention, just plain STUPID.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  1349. @turtle

    Not to mention, just plain STUPID.

    The behavior gives a good insight how these propagandists actually tick and work.
    It is a pattern, not a single occurrence, and it tells more about them than anything else.

    • Agree: turtle
  1350. @FB

    I’d like to add to these replies, because I still haven’t seen it, that the village of Lidice as a whole did provide haven for the Heydrich assassins even though they were not still there when the Germans arrived to search the village. The village as a whole cooperated with the Resistance and it was not like FB implied earlier that it was just picked out of the blue for punishment.

    Obviously, I’m not one of those who project that the ‘Nazis’ had no right to retaliate against those who had done grave harm to them. As though they were, even back then, some kind of illegal force. Or who never want to mention it.

  1351. @Fox

    Thanks for this. Very important. I knew that book or paper he’s been touting – “Remembering the women and children”- is no good, but even so FB lies about it.
    If he did have a stroke from high blood pressure, that would be a good thing. So save your kindly-meant advice.

  1352. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    After the end of war there was no widespread expulsion of Germans.

    Untrue. The Czechs were unbelievably vicious and bragged when they had 100% cleansed towns of Germans. You’re constructing your own narrative.
    It’s true that when Heydrich was Protector, the very selfish Czechs were content because they had it better than anyone around them and were not being conscripted into the fighting. But as soon as the Red Army got the upper hand, the Czechs immediately switched allegiance and went after the German “nazis” with a vengeance.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  1353. Wally says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    – What reprisals do you think were”excessive” and why?

    – BTW, tales like those that FB is throwing around are absolutely the norm for “survivors” tales.
    They all make ridiculous, impossible claims and / or contradict other “survivors” and the official narrative itself.

    – FB’s typical ranting emotionalism is indicative of the fact that he cannot refute Revisionist research and therefore resorts to what children do when they don’t get their way.

    Thanks.

  1354. turtle says:
    @Germanicus

    That is totally outrageous.
    Rather brazen to publicly admit these are professional demonstrators
    von Beruf = by profession, or by trade
    let alone pay them out of the public treasury
    der Soldat = soldier
    der Sold = soldiers’ pay
    as you have pointed out, and which I did not know until you did

    Here in the U.S., TPTB have attempted to portray so-called “Antifa” as some kind of “spontaneous” movement, though any fool can see through that. They are obviously professionally organized and professionally trained. Antifa is astroturf (a term used in the U.S. to denote fake “grass roots” organizations). How they are paid (and make no mistake, no doubt they are) in the U.S. is unclear.

  1355. Anon[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    A woman who hid in a corpse pit for seven weeks?

    LOL! Not even a “woman”.

    This is what the cretin wrote again (my emphasis):

    During the 1980s, while traveling through eastern Europe I had the opportunity to speak to a Czech woman who survived being thrown in a pit with hundreds of executed villagers…she told me she survived because some kind-hearted shepherd heard her cries and would throw her some bread…she would lick the dew on the stone walls of the pit in order to get moisture…she was seven at the time and she survived like that for six weeks before she could be rescued…

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/teaching-holocaust/#comment-3341003

    That woman that survived, including six weeks in that pit where they threw the dead…was only seven at the time…even today go to any village in eastern Europe and see what the ordinary folks say about the Homo Nazi Scum…

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/teaching-holocaust/#comment-3352924

    The oxygen thief actually believes that seven year old girls can hide in corpse pits for six weeks—and survive!—if “some kind-hearted shepherd” hears their cries and throws them some bread…and if they “lick the dew on the stone walls of the pit in order to get moisture”.

    I mean, you can’t make this shit up!

    Then again, the entirety of the official jew HolyCau$$$$$$$e story is about as believable as stupid fucking white genocide.

  1356. @Carolyn Yeager

    Let me explain to you how untrue my statement is.
    Here it is:
    You would be surprised that there is no one Czech who would not have at lest a drop German blood in him.
    For many centuries German kings did rule Czechs. Hrandczany (in Prague was built with German help.
    It was a residence for many German kings.
    There was free movement of Germans into Czech and free movement of Czechs into Germany.
    Intermixing of Germans and Czechs is on very high level.
    And I am not even talking about Intermixing of Czechs and Austrian Germans under Austro Hungarian empire.
    So there was huge number of Germans who were living in Czech country that did not even speak a word of Germans,
    So you think that Czechs were revengeful and hating Germans and they deported these Germans?
    So I hope that I did convince you.
    So we have to talk about new Germans.
    Hitler’s rule did last only for short five years. During those years practically all new Germans were in uniform. They were there without their families and they were there on temporary basis.
    These Germans did not have a roots in Czech country. Nearing the Soviet army These Germans left on their own. They did not needed to be expelled.
    …………………………………………………….
    Sudetenland is a different thing That did make Germans furious.
    IT is a hobs country.
    Czech part of Sudetenland is facing east, and everything grows better and has a higher value, and higher quality.
    So better quality of hobs make a better tasting beer, so Czech beer is better than German beer.
    And that totally infuriated Germans. So after Germany annexed Czech Sudetenland Czechs mowed away (Some, most, or all; I do not know) And Germans moved in, Some did built their houses.
    Only these were expelled. NOBODY ELSE.
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    There was a peculiar event about this affair. About fifty years ago somebody did find an English made jacket in Lidice, It was publicized in Czech newspaper.
    After reading a label one English firm recognized it as their own and did buy the jacket and they put it in their own display.
    …………………………………………..
    So the assassins had to change their English outfit with some other clothing that would enabled them to blend in with other Czechs.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
    , @Fox
  1357. turtle says:

    So, when they teach about “the Holocaust” and “terrorism” will they teach about incidents like this:
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/07/26/killing-tariq-why-we-must-rethink-the-roots-of-jewish-settlers-violence/

    An example is the terrorist attack carried out by Jewish settlers against the Palestinian Dawabshe family in the village of Duma, in the northern West Bank in July 2015, resulting in the death of Riham and Sa’ed, along with their 18-months old son, Ali. The only member of the family spared that horrific death was Ahmad, 4, who was severely burned.

    This cruelty was further accentuated in the episodes that followed this criminal incident. Later that year, Israeli wedding guests were caught on tape while dancing with knives, chanting in celebration of the death of the Palestinian baby.

    Three years later, as the Dawabshe family members were leaving an Israeli court, accompanied by Arab parliamentarians, they were greeted by a crowd of Israelis chanting “Where is Ali? Ali’s dead” and “Ali’s on the grill”.

    The passing of time only cemented Israelis’ hatred of a little child whose only crime was his Palestinian identity.

    The only survivor, Ahmad, was punished thrice: when he lost his whole family; with his severe burns and when he was denied compensation. The then Israeli Defense Minister, Avigdor Lieberman, simply resolved that the boy was not a “terror victim.” Case closed.

    Although the Dawabshes were killed by Jewish settlers, the Israeli court, army and political system all conspired to ensure the protection of the killers from any accountability.

    I wouldn’t bet on it.

  1358. annamaria says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Most likely “FB” is a Jew from the former USSR.
    The Soviet Jews’ visceral hatred for everything Russian and everything Muslim is staggering.

  1359. annamaria says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Not all Jews from Russia are monsters. Some have benefited enormously from Russian culture and show appreciation for Russian civilization. It has just happened that the US suffers from the noisy detritus of Khodorkovsky, Dm. Alperovitch, Brin, and the likes.

  1360. annamaria says:
    @turtle

    “Slavic ancestry.”
    — Very unlikely.
    “USAF veteran.”
    — Highly unlikely.

  1361. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    There is nothing you’ve said here that refutes what I wrote:

    I.R. — “After the end of war there was no widespread expulsion of Germans”.

    C.Y. — Untrue. The Czechs were unbelievably vicious and bragged when they had 100% cleansed towns of Germans. You’re constructing your own narrative.

    You’re a typical Slavic storyteller and mistake your imagination with the reality. I’m familiar with German-Czech history and what you’ve come up with here is just rambling thoughts.

    So I hope that I did convince you.

    Not hardly.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  1362. @Jake

    Are there Jews that are not Pharisees now?

  1363. Fox says:
    @Germanicus

    Amazing how the “political neutrality” (“weltanschauliche Neutralität”) of the FRG-constitution (if one may call it that) is translated by the regime there into its blatant opposite, with open support of parties, ideologies, measures and propaganda to demonize all opinions not approved of by the opinion makers.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  1364. Fox says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    I am afraid you are quite mistaken; there were almost 4 million Germans in Czecho-Slovakia until they could become free from their unwanteded fetters. there were still enclaves of German communities within the remaining Czecho-Slovakia, and there were also areas with majority Czech or Slovakian communities. The Munich agreement made provisions for these instances. Czechs living in the German areas which were becoming part of Germany had the option to either become german citizens or leave. After the war, teh Germans were forced to leave, both from the Sudeten area, as well as from all other areas where they lived as German communities in enclaves in Bohemia.
    The Czechs were behaving in a manner that is plainly unexplicably mean for people who have lived within the Germany for nearly a thousand years, have not been deprived of their own folkways, even had one of their own become German Emperor at one time.
    The German areas are now abandoned, not used by the Czechs, and they, like the Poles, have to figure out how to live next to their German neighbors with the knowledge in the back of their mind of mass expulsions, monetary and land appropriations on an unheard-of scale.
    In addition, this short-sighted monomaniacal chauvinism invited tensions, opened the door for extra-European powers to mingle in European affairs and led ultimately to the present existential crisis of all of the West.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  1365. prawda [AKA "Tyllko Prawde"] says:

    In 1976 I was asked by a graduate student to accompany her to a private party that her thesis advisor was having for her students, staff and co-workers at her home in Warsaw.. Towards the end of the evening when most of the people left the party the topic of conversation turned to the Jews in Poland. I remember she stated that starting with Boleslaw Bierut – Rotenschwanz that between 1944 to 1969 over 2.6 Million Polish Jews changed their ethnic identities and names to Polish, The files that were stored in the Polish State Archives that she personally came across while working at the Polish State Archives. She went on to state that the Jews that changed their names relocated to western part of Poland vacated by the Germans. In the beginning I sort of thought that what she was some what inflating the total figure until now and upon reading the released CIA files from 1954 stating that Jews can not leave Poland as there would be no one to run the country. Also the CIA documents affirm that most of the Jews settled in Wroclaw and the western part of Poland.
    She remarked at the end of the discussion with” just imagine as to what would happen to me if the authorities learned that I am telling to you. I would be tried, shot on the spot or imprisoned or sent to Siberia. That is why to date all of Poland’s Presidents and Prime Ministers just happen to be ethnic Jews. Lech Walesa – Lejba Kohne “BOLEK”, Tadeusz Mazowiecki – Icek Dikman, Aleksander Kwasniewski – Izaak Stoltzman, Jaroslaw i Lech Kaczynscy – Kalkstein and etc.

    [MORE]

    The following is a post by a Polish commentator at a discussion group. We at JTR cannot verify the accuracy of this list, nor the Polish source book for this. But, from our own research, the names we recognize on this list from our own research (Bronislaw Geremek, Jerzy Kosinski, Stanislaw Krajewski, Adam Michnik, Jerzy Urban, Dawid Warshawski) are indeed Jewish. But Lech Walesa?!). ]

    LIST OF NAME CHANGES FOR POLAND’S MOST POWERFUl/INFLUENTIAL PEOPLE IN OUR MODERN ERA. This was a recent post to Polonian groups … We read:

    Lista osób o zmienionych nazwiskach (Or, “List of persons with name changes”). It continues: Nazwiska autentyczne nizej wymienionych osób zostaly ustalone w oparciu o… (Or, Authentic names of the folks listed below are based upon: (A) Secret catalog data of the people of Poland, according to the Central Bureau’s MSW addresses [Archival numbers are as listed in the Pol. Language]; and (B) Data given by historians in their many publications. ————————————————————————–

    A) Dane tajne kartoteki ludnosci Polski przy Centralnym Biurze. Adresów MSW (nr arch. 1/6526/1 – data archiwacji 9.07.1984, nr rejestracyjny 14750-99 – data rejestracji Wydz. III-2, SUSW Warszawa).

    (B) Dane ujawnione przez historyków w ich licznych publikacjach.

    1. Jerzy Albrecht – Finkelstein

    2. Amsterdamski – Saul Henrykowski

    3. Stanislaw Arski – Apfelbaum

    4. Stefan Arski – Artur Salman

    5. Bronislaw Baczko – Gideon

    6. Leszek Balcerowicz – Aaron Bucholtz

    7. Ryszard Bender – Fajwisch Berenstein

    8. Jan K. Bielecki – Izaak Blumenfeld

    9. Boleslaw Bierut – Rotenschwanz

    10. Alef Bolkowiak – Alef Gutman

    11. Michal Boni – Jakub Bauer

    12. Jerzy Borejsza – Beniamin Goldberg

    13. Wiktor Borowicki – Aaron Berman

    14. Marek Borowski – Szymon Berman

    15. Stefan Bratkowski – Blumstejn

    16. Stanislaw Brodzki – Bronstejn

    17. Jan Brzechwa – Jan Worobiec

    18. Ryszard Bugaj – Izaak Blumfeld

    19. Zbigniew Bujak – lewy syn rabina Malachowskiego

    20. August Chelkowski – Dawid Cnajbaum

    21. red. Kamila Chilinska – Halpern

    22. Wieslaw Chrzanowski – Szymon Knopfstejn

    23. Adam Cichocki – Aaron Zigenbaum

    24. Wlodzimierz Cimoszewicz – Dawid Goldstein

    25. Bernard Cukier – Kolski

    26. Józef Cyrankiewicz – Izaak Cukerman

    27. Marek Czekalski (prezydent Lodzi) – Wachter

    28. Tadeusz Daniszewski – Dawid Kirschbaum

    29. Ostap Dluski – Adolf Langer

    30. Jan Dobraczynski (pisarz) – Gutmacher

    31. Ludwik Dorn – Dornbaum

    32. Andrzej Drzycimski – Abraham Engel

    33. Lech Falandysz – Aaron Fleischman

    34. Arkady Fidler – Efroim Trusker

    35. Pawel Finder – Pinkus

    36. Aleksander Ford – Liwczyc

    37. Wladyslaw Frasyniuk – Rotenschwanz

    38. Jerzy Frydberg – Izrael Frydberg

    39. Bronislaw Geremek – Berele Lewartow

    40. Zofia Gomulkowa – Liwa Szoken

    41. Henryk Goryszewski – Jakub Glikman

    42. Jan Górecki – Muhlrad, dyr. gen. Min. Finansów

    43. Wiktor Górecki – Muhlrad, “komandos” z 1968

    44. Maria Górowska (sedzia) – Sand lub Berger

    45. Halina Górska – Sara Kugelschwanz

    46. Alina Grabowska – Sara Rotenfisch

    47. Hanna Gronkiewicz-Waltz – Hajka Grundbaum

    48. Ryszard Marek Gronski – Goldberger

    49. Wiktor Grosz – Izaak Medres

    50. Jacek Groszkowski – Hersz Herszkowicz

    51. Leon Halban – Blumenstok, prof. KUL-u

    52. Aleksander Hall – Miron Hurman

    53. Marian Hemar – jan Marian Herscheles

    54. Józefa Hennelowa – Zyta Goldmond

    55. Szymon Hirszowski – Szymon Hirsz

    56. Józef Hubner – Dawid Szwarc

    57. Piotr Ikonowicz – Dawid Goldsmith

    58. Henryk Jablonski – Apfelbaum

    59. Jerzy Jakubowski – Miszkatenblit

    60. Ludwika Jankowska – Luba Kowienska

    61. Andrzej Jaroszewicz – Aron Samet

    62. Piotr Jasienica – Lech Benar

    63. Jerzy Jaskiernia – Aaron Aksman

    64. Mieczyslaw Jastrun – Agatstein

    65. Tomasz Jastrun s. Mieczyslawa – Agatstein

    66. Kalina Jedrusik – Makusfeld

    67. Roman Jurys – Chaim Szacht

    68. Jaroslaw i Lech Kaczynscy – Kalkstein

    69. Ida Kaminska – Rachel, dyr. Teatru Zyd. w W-wie

    70. Jan Karski (kurier AK) – J. Kozielewski-?

    71. Andrzej Kern – Dawid Ginsberg

    72. Jan Kobuszewski – Weisleder

    73. adm. Piotr Kolodziejczyk – Robert Cajmer

    74. Grzegorz Kolodko – Samuel Hanerman

    75. Maria Komar (generalowa) – Riwa Zukerman

    76. Janusz Korczak – Henryk Goldszmit

    77. Janusz Korwin-Mikke – Ozjasz Goldberg

    78. Jerzy Kosinski – Josek Lewinkopf

    79. Janina Kotarbinska – Dina Steinberg, z. prof. Kotarbinskiego

    80. Mikolaj Kozakiewicz – Jakub Kleinman

    81. Helena Kozlowska – Bela Frisch

    82. Stanislaw Krajewski – Abel Kaimer

    83. Hanna Krall – Hajka Rejchgold

    84. Krzysztof Król – Aaron Rosenbaum

    85. Marian Krzaklewski – Dawid Zimmerman

    86. Lucyna Krzemieniecka – Wiera Zeidenberg

    87. Edward Krzemien (dziennikarz GW) – Wolf

    88. Kunicki – Goldfinger

    89. Kazimierz Kuratowski – Kuratow

    90. Zofia Kuratowska-Jaszunska – Goldman

    91. Jacek Kuron – Icek Kordblum

    92. Aleksander Kwasniewski – Izaak Stoltzman

    93. Jolanta Kwasniewska -Konty – Kohn

    94. Stanislaw Jerzy Lec – Letz de Tusch

    95. Janusz Lewandowski – Aaron Langman

    96. Olga Lipinska – Fajga Lippman

    97. Teresa Liszcz – Sara Lankamer

    98. Jan Litynski – Jakub Leman

    99. Lubiejski – Zygielman

    100. Lozowski – Salomon Abramowicz

    101. Aleksander Luczak – Dawid Lachman

    102. Helena Luczywo – Chaber (ojciec), Guter (matka)

    103. Antoni Macierewicz – Izaak Singer

    104. Aleksander Malachowski – Jakub Goldsmith

    105. Marek Markiewicz – Samuel Moritz

    106. Tadeusz Mazowiecki – Icek Dikman

    107. Jacek Merkel – Samuel Nelken

    108. Adam Michnik – Aaron Szechter

    109. Andrzej Milczanowski – Aaron Edelman

    110. Jerzy Milewski – Dawid Machonbaum

    111. Leszek Moczulski – Robert Berman

    112. Karol Modzelewski – Samuel Mendel

    113. Zygmunt Modzelewski – Fischer

    114. Jerzy Morawski – Izaak Szloma

    115. Stanislaw Nadzin – Gutman

    116. Stefan Niesiolowski – Aaron Nusselbaum

    117. Jerzy Robert Nowak (prof.) – Moritz Neuman

    118. Piotr Nowina-Konopka – Haim Kromer

    119. Róza Ochabowa – Grunbaum

    120. Andrzej Olechowski – Mosze Brandwein

    121. Józef Oleksy – Szymon Buchwio (Lemek)

    122. Jan Olszewski – Izaak Oksner

    123. Janusz Onyszkiewicz – Jojne Grynberg

    124. Jerzy Osiatynski – Szymon Weinbach

    125. Janina Paradowska – Rachela Busch

    126. Jan Parys – Haim Pufahl

    127. Aleksander Paszynski – Finkelstein

    128. Miroslawa Pazynska – Srula Kundelman

    129. Leslaw Podkanski – Izaak Freinkel

    130. Ezdra Podlaski – Rotenschwanz

    131. Kazimierz Pomian – Furman lub Rotenschwanz

    132. Radkiewiczowa, zona min. – Ruta Teitsch

    133. Helena Radlinska, prof.- Rajchman, Akad.Organ.Sl. Spol.

    134. Mieczyslaw Rakowski – Mojzesz Rak

    135. Jan Regula – Josek Mützenmacher

    136. Jan Maria Rokita – Izaak Goldwicht

    137. Andrzej Rosiewicz – A. Jarosiewicz

    138. Adolf Rudnicki (pisarz) – Schneider

    139. Jan Rulewski – Fikelman

    140. Rutkowski – Botwin

    141. Hanka Sawicka – Szapiro

    142. Ryszard Setnik – Szymon Bauman

    143. Izabela Sierakowska – Rebeka Sommer

    144. Janusz Sitynski – Jakub Leman

    145. Ernest Skalski – Wilker lub Nimen

    146. Skrzeszewski – Fokenman

    147. Krzysztof Skubiszewski – Szymon Schimel

    148. Wladyslaw Slawny – Rosenberg

    149. Antoni Slonimski – Stomma

    150. Zenon Smolarek – Izaak Zimmerman

    151. Ewa Spychalska – Salome Stein

    152. Marian Starownik – Symeon Steinman

    153. Stefan Starzewski – Gustaw Szusterman

    154. Stanislaw Stomma – Szaja Sommer

    155. Michal Strak – Baruch Steinberg

    156. Julian Stryjkowski (pisarz) – Pesah Stark

    157. Jerzy Stuhr (aktor) – Josek Feingold

    158. Hanna Suchocka – Hajka Silberstein

    159. Boleslaw Sulik – Jakub Steinberg

    160. Kalman Sultanik – Chaim Studniberg

    161. Irena Szewinska (sportowiec) – I. Kirszenstein

    162. Stefan Szwedowicz (brat Michnika) – Szechter

    163. Roman Szydlowski – Szancer

    164. Wieslawa Szymborska – Rottermund

    165. Pawel Spiewak – Stinger

    166. Boleslaw Tejkowski – Benio Tejkower

    167. Jerzy Turowicz – Jakow Turnau

    168. Stanislaw Tuszewski – Salomon Hardnik

    169. Magda Umer (piosenkarka) – Humer

    (córka zbrodniarza UB)

    170. Jerzy Urban – Josek Urbach

    171. Mieczyslaw Wachowski – Jakub Windman

    172. Henryk Walczak – Zukerman

    173. Lech Walesa – Lejba Kohne

    174. Dawid Warszawski – Konstanty Gebert

    175. Adam Wazyk (poeta) – Wagman

    176. Andrzej Werblan – Aaron Werblicht

    177. Andrzej Wieczorkiewicz – Hirsz Gelpern

    178. Aleksander Wirpsza – Leszek Szaruga

    179. Dariusz Wójcik – Dawid Wisental

    180. Andrzej Wróblewski – Andrzej Ibislauer

    181. Ludmila Wujec – Okrent

    182. Jan Wyka – Leopold Wessman

    183. Roman Zambrowski – Rubin Nusbaum

    184. Janusz Zaorski – Jakub Bauman

    185. Andrzej Zoll – Rojeschwanz, b. prezes Tryb. Konst.

    186. Janusz Ziólkowski – Izaak Zemler Wojskowi (Army)

    187. gen. Edward Braniewski – Brandsteter

    188. gen. Jan Drzewiecki – Holzer

    189. gen. Marian Graniewski – Gutaker

    190. gen. Wiktor Grosz – Izaak Medres

    191. gen. Artur Jastrzebski – Artur Ritter (Niemiec)

    192. gen. Grzegorz Korczynski – Kalinowski

    193. gen. Leszek Krzemien – Maksymilian Wolf

    194. gen. Matejewski – Kugelschwanz

    195. gen. Marian Naszkowski – Wasser

    196. gen. St. Poplawski – Siergiej Grochow (Rosjanin)

    197. gen. Karol Swierczewski – Walter Goltz lub Tenenbaum

    198. gen. Leon Turski – Tennenbaum

    199. gen. Mieczyslaw Wagrowski – Izaak Pustelman

    200. gen. Tadeusz Wilecki – Wallach

    201. gen. Zarako-Zarakowski – Zarako, Nacz. Prok. WP

    202. gen. Janusz Zarzycki – Neugebauer

    203. plk Michal Bron – Bronstein, prac. MSZ

    204. plk dr Charbicz – Marek Heberman, kom.Szpit.Woj.,Warszawa

    205. plk Otto Finski – Finkenstein, szef sztabu “Sluzba Polsce”

    206. plk Garbowski – Caber lub Gruber, d-ca dyw.

    207. plk Gradlewski – Goldberg, GZP WP

    208. plk Mieczyslaw Kowalski – Kohn

    209. plk Anatol Liniewski – Liberman, prac. ASG

    210. plk Rosinski – Rosenberg, DOW

    211. plk Rotowski – Rotholtz, szef Zarz. Sl. Techn. WP

    212. plk St. Sokolowski – Szabat, prac. WAP

    213. plk Pawel Solski – Pinkus, szef Sl. Samoch. WP

    214. plk Szulczynski – Szulcynger, d-ca pulku

    215. plk Wl. Tykocinski – Tikotiner, attache wojsk.

    216. plk Wadlewski – Waldman, dyr. Dep. Wojsk. w Min. Zdrowia

    217. plk Zarski – Silberstein, prac. WAP

    218. pplk Jerzy Bryn – Izrael Alter, prac. MSZ

    219. pplk Jan Dolanowski – Dollinger, DOW

    220. pplk Adam Laski – Gutbrot, prac. ASG

    221. pplk Henryk Zieman – Zysman, DOW

    222. mjr Roman Domanski – Rosenstand, DOW

    223. mjr Marcel Kot – Abram Sterenzys

    224. mjr Józef Sliwinski – Flaumenbaum, szef Wyd. “Sluzba Polsce”

    225. mjr Henryk Uminski – Keff

    226. Filip Berski – Badner, prokurator wojskowy

    227. Kazimierz Golczewski – Bauman, Nacz. Prok. Wojsk.

    228. sedzia Franciszek Kapczuk – Natanel Frau, Sad Wojsk. Wroclaw

    229. Maksymilian Litinski – Lifszyc, Nacz. Prok. Wojsk.

    230. Lubiejski – Zygielman, II Zarzad

    231. Jakub Lubowski – Chase Smen, prok. Dep. Sl. Spraw.

    232. Jan Orlinski – Unterweiser, Prok. Wojsk.

    233. Henryk Podlaski – Fink, Nacz. Prok. Wojsk.

    234. Rajski – Rajgrodzki, II Zarzad

    235. Roman Rawicz – Vogel, Najw. Sad Wojsk.

    236. Henryk Trojan – Adler, II Zarzad

    237. Henryk Walczak – Zukerman

    238. Zagórski – Winter, II Zarzad

    239. Arnold Zaleski – Zalkind, prac. Prok. Wojsk. Pracownicy MSW

    240. gen. Józef Hübner – Dawid Szwarc

    241. gen. Matejewski – Kugelschwanc

    242. gen. Miecz. Moczar – Mykola Demko (Ukrainiec)

    243. Gen. Julian Polan – Harasim, morderca sadowy

    244. gen. Roman Romkowski – Natan Grinspan-Kikiel

    245. gen. Józef Maria Rózanski – Rosenzweig

    246. plk Leon Andrzejewski – Ajzen Lejb-Wolff, dyr. Gabin. Ministra

    247. plk Bielecki – Moniek Buchman, szef WUBP Kraków

    248. plk Julia Brystiger – Prajs

    249. plk Górecki – Goldberg, dyr. Depart. IX

    250. plk Mieczyslaw Mietkowski – Mojzesz Borowicki, doradca MSW

    251. plk Orlowski – Kugelschwanz

    252. plk Marian Reniak – Marian Struzynski

    253. plk Józef Rózanski – Josek Goldberg, dyr. dep. MBP

    254. plk Sienkiewicz – Lewi, dyr. depart.

    255. plk Szerynski – Szhnkman, prac. MBP

    256. plk Józef Swiatlo – Izaak Fleischfarb, z-ca dyr. depart. X

    257. pplk Helena Wolinska-Brus – Ochsmann

    258. mjr Adam Kornecki – Dawid Kornhendler, szef WUBP Kielce

    259. Antoni Alster – Nauman, v-ce szef MBP

    260. Barbara Giller – Basze Lea, prac. MBP Duchowni (Religion)

    261. kard. Franciszek Macharski – Finkelstein

    262. ks. prof. Józef Tischner – Blumstein

    263. ks. prof. Romuald Weksler-Waszkinel – Jakub Weksler

    bp Jan Chrapek, bp Bronislaw Dembowski,bp S. Gadecki,bp gen. Slawoj L. Glódz, abp Henryk Muszynski, bp Tadeusz Pieronek, bp Tadeusz Rakoczy, abp Ziólek, abp Józef Zycinski, ks. Adam Bijak, ks. Adam Boniecki, ks. Michal Czajkowski, o.

  1366. @Carolyn Yeager

    I am not trying to refute anybody, and the last thing for me would be to try to refute you.
    I am only writing as I know it and as I do see it. No big duels and no big deal.
    And no hard feelings. Certainly not from my side.
    But if you are so enthusiastic than give me me some data some personalities some causes and some results and some numbers. Or or least give me some references.
    Just to confuse you I will give you some personal truth, My two cousins were in Wafen SS and they both did die on Eastern front, Their bodies were never recovered.
    My third cousin got a a German house with hobs vineyard in Sudettenland.
    Nobody fucken new who was what and what he o or she did during war. nobody was investigating anything.
    You have a too modern mind and you view world as orderly place.
    Let me tell you something it isn’t so. And please trust me. During war I already did have a conscious mind.
    And after war I was present in all kind of discussions.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  1367. @Fox

    As far as I know Czechs never permitted in history any German legal schools on their territory.
    Slovaks also never did have any German schools on their territory. Slovaks were a little bit more benevolent and they permitted some Hungarian schools on their territory.
    Czechs did not permit Any German schools even under Hapsburg’s
    So all those Germans (four millions ?) must have had all their education in Czech language.
    So as you say when Communists came to power, in 1948 they forced people to leave because they did have German names?
    …………………………………………….
    Are you aware what you are actually saying?

    • Replies: @Fox
  1368. prawda [AKA "tylko prawde"] says:

    Truth Never Needs Laws to Defend It and is Open for Discussion, Research and Verification.

    Exercise Your Right to Be Informed and Free Speech

  1369. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    I wouldn’t say I have a “too modern mind,” but I do like to think in an orderly way. I realize you don’t. You may call that “modern” but I call it German.

    Like you, I had a conscious mind from the time of the German invasion of the Soviet Union but that is about all I can claim. My knowledge has come second hand but from some excellent sources. You ask for some data, some personalities … okay, I can offer a brilliant and good man, Prof. Dr. Andreas Wesserle, with whom I had the good fortune to become friends. He was born in Prague, spent his early childhood in the family home in Slovakia; his father owned or managed a business that employed a lot of Czechs. They were members of the Karpatendeutsche community in Slovakia, from where they were forced to flee for their lives in Sept. 1944.

    He tells me about it in several podcasts recorded in 2010. Sorry, you will have to listen, not read, as it has not been written down. It would be a worthwhile project for me to transcribe these very important podcasts, so I’m grateful you’ve caused me to revisit them.

    https://carolynyeager.net/heretics-hour-interview-dr-andreas-wesserle-2nd-half

    https://carolynyeager.net/heretics-hour-dr-andreas-wesserle-german-holocaust-1944-46

    https://carolynyeager.net/heretics-hour-devastated-germany-1946-52

    It’s best to download the podcasts to your computer and then listen to them. Right click underneath the player and select “save link as”.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  1370. @Fox

    Indeed.

    Just the fact that Antifa have an official Travel Ltd, an expenditure office gives away the ideological alignment of the FRG Ltd.
    These muppets in Berlin and the local administration are perhaps the best actors and ideologues money can buy run a state simulation. Or as intentional law professor Carlo Schmidt called it in 18. September 1948 in front of the west German “parliamentary council”, an organization of foreign rule modality.
    He further stated in his address, “we must not have to establish a state”, sure, because there already exists German state, though unorganized sine 1945.

  1371. @Carolyn Yeager

    For Gods sake!
    Forced to flee is not the same thing as being deported.
    When Russians entered Slovakia they were killing Catholic priests and members of Catholic clergy.
    So eventually targeted people did hide.
    Concerning Czech country there was certain activity of NSDAP who were recruiting German Czechs into their party to create network on which they could rely.
    I would not be surprised that these people could be deported.
    But even these people did have a chance to hide.

  1372. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    But even these people did have a chance to hide.

    Erm, nope, it was ethnic cleansing, the Benes decrees are still in effect to this day..

    “Killing the Czech way”(Töten auf Tschechisch) documentary, constantly purged from the internet.

    https://archive.org/details/ToetenAufTschechisch

    Mass shootings of Germans …

  1373. GrahamSM says:

    ‘From my Ph. D. research and seeing survivors with tattoos I am convinced that the Nazi regime did engage in exterminations…’

    I’ve never quite understood why the Nazis would tattoo people they were going to exterminate. Surely, this practice points to people being long-term inmates, as does the existence of dormitories? If you are going to exterminate people, surely you just leave them out in the open, as the Allies did when murdering a million or so German POWs who had surrendered (see ‘Other Losses’)? Their only shelter was holes in the ground they dug themselves.

  1374. Truth3 says:

    Off topic…

    I suppose that Paul Craig Roberts articles do not feature a comments annex… probably because Dr. PCR does not wish to be bothered to administer as moderator the results.

    Can anyone in UNZ-land confirm this?

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  1375. Wally says:
    @Saggy

    The fact is that there is not a shred of proof for his absurd assertions.

    Why do some people want 6M Jews to be dead? Revisionists bring life affirming good news, 6M Jews were not murdered. Jews should be elated.

  1376. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Oh, now you’re drawing distinctions. You originally said:

    After the end of war there was no widespread expulsion of Germans.
    Only from houses, Built by Czech and Germans on Czech’s part of Sudetenland, and none from Slovakia.

    I am talking about the well-documented, vicious treatment of all Germans by Czech partisans and ordinary Czechs. Ethnic Germans were forced to flee with only what they could carry by immediate threat of death! Maybe that could be called ‘spontaneous self-deportation?’

    You don’t know what you’re talking about, Ilyana. You don’t want to learn either. Also by me, from my website (https://carolynyeager.net/search-wwii-mass-graves):

    NO CZECHS IN MASS GRAVES

    Czechs have not claimed massacres from the war – other than the 173 men of the village of Lidice, who were executed for harboring the murderers of Reichs Protector for Bohemia-Moravia, Reinhard Heydrich, as an example to those who would cooperate with the Czech underground (considered by the Germans as an illegal terrorist organization).

    Still, there was great desire to retaliate following the retreat of the German Wehrmacht and the arrival of the Soviet Red Army and NKVD. Postelberg/Polstoloprty and Saav/Zatec, two towns northwest of Prague, saw brutal massacres of at least 2,000 Sudeten Germans in the space of a few days in June 1945.

    The largest mass grave contained 500 bodies and had been known since an inquiry into it in 1947. After that, in August 1947, other mass graves were secretly dug up and 763 bodies were removed and cremated. But there still remained more.

    Meanwhile, documents in Postoloprty were classified as confidential and disappeared into Interior Ministry archives. Today, a majority of Czech residents in these towns admit the massacre, but do not want to talk about the case and oppose building any memorial structures at the gravesites. (Der Spiegel, “Czech Town Divided over How to Commemorate 1945 Massacre,” Hans Ulrich Stoldt, Nov. 4, 2009)

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,646757,00.html

    There was also the Bruenn/Brno Death March, which began late on the night of May 30, and the Aussig/Usti nad Labem Massacre on July 31, 1945–both majority German towns in the same area of Northwestern Bohemia. Basing their decision on the Potsdam Agreement, the Czech “National Committee of Brno” announced the expulsion of 20,000 ethnic Germans, mostly women, children and elderly (the adult men were all POW’s), and forced them to march 56 kilometers south to the border of Austria. Once there, however, the Soviet authorities refused to allow them to cross, so they were marched back into internment. Many died and are buried along the way; up to 8000 perished in the terrible conditions before the survivors were released.

    The Usti massacre was triggered by an explosion at an ammunition dump. Though the cause of the explosion had not been determined, ethnic Germans were beaten, bayonetted, shot or drowned in the Elbe River, where most still remain in their watery grave.

    No mass graves of Jews have ever been found on Czech soil.

  1377. Miggle says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, there are nutcases who comment on your site, but there are also wise, hugely knowledgeable people. Your site is hugely educative, partly because of the comments. I often file them all for later study. So thanks for not blocking what you think is mad, or not all of it.

    FB may be such a nutcase. I have not followed his comments and don’t argue with your assessment.

    I may be another such nutcase. You surprise me, amaze me, when you say:

    But what makes “FB” so silly is that he’s focusing attention on the Lidice reprisals, which resulted from their local involvement in the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich. And anyone who investigates the history a bit soon discovers it totally undercuts the conventional WWII narrative

    I must be equally silly because I’ve always cited Lidice as an example of collective punishment when comparing Israel and its Gaza massacres and punitive house demolitions (because one boy in the house was naughty) with the Nazis. You yourself have written that Nazism was Judaism for wimps.

    In my case I make the Lidice comparison because it stands out in my memory. When it first hit the news everyone everywhere was taking about it. The most massive news story of all time. I was probably too young to talk, but I could listen. (I don’t know how long it took after the event before Germany’s enemies learnt of it and it hit the news.) I could listen and it was huge. Some little time later some big people came to visit us and I looked up at the man and spoke the word “Lidice”. He looked down at me and nodded without a smile. I don’t remember saying another word, probably couldn’t. But after more than half century there was Operation Cast Lead, huge reprisals against Gaza civilians because of some little action by the Hamas resistance, massive reprisals, huge civilian casualties, and the word “LIDICE” immediately sprang into my mind when I read the news.

    Now you are saying the Lidice killings were not collective punishment, but “resulted from their local involvement in the assassination”, and I am flabbergasted.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Carolyn Yeager
  1378. Fox says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Sure, and the Karlsuniversität zu Prag was from the very beginning a Czech university. Whu is it the oldest German university then?

  1379. Ron Unz says:
    @Miggle

    I must be equally silly because I’ve always cited Lidice as an example of collective punishment when comparing Israel and its Gaza massacres…Now you are saying the Lidice killings were not collective punishment, but “resulted from their local involvement in the assassination”, and I am flabbergasted.

    No, I’m certainly not disputing that it was “collective punishment,” just that other aspects of the story severely damage the standard WWII narrative.

    First, I emphasized Heydrich was apparently assassinated because he was becoming so popular among the Czechs and he traveled around the country in an open car without any bodyguards.

    Second, Heydrich was one of the highest-ranking Nazi leaders and the involvement of some of the Lidice residents in his assassination led to the resulting retaliatory massacre. But that obviously makes the incident an “extraordinary” one, rather than the typical one suggested by standard accounts. The fact that it’s about the only one ever cited in mainstream textbooks tends to indicate that sort of thing was extremely rare.

    By contrast, the public killing of those four American mercenaries in Iraq led to the whole destruction of the entire city of Fallujah in retaliation, a vastly larger measure.

    Suppose Dick Cheney had been visiting Iraq and was assassinated there. Surely the resulting all-out bombing and other retaliatory measures would have killed 100x as many people as in Lidice.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @annamaria
  1380. @Ron Unz

    By contrast, the public killing of those four American mercenaries in Iraq led to the whole destruction of the entire city of Fallujah in retaliation, a vastly larger measure.

    I guess they punish Somalia to this day for having dragged the dead corpse of a gunship pilot through the streets.
    But was it proportionate to wipe out the old city of Pyongyang?
    WWII didn’t even manage that.

    Korean mythology asserts that Pyongyang was founded in 1122 BC on the site of the capital of the legendary king Dangun.[8] Wanggeom-seong, which was in the location of Pyongyang, became the capital of Gojoseon from 194 to 108 BC.

    and …

    In 1952, it was the target of the largest aerial raid of the entire war, involving 1,400 UN aircraft.

    After the war, the city was quickly rebuilt with assistance from the Soviet Union, and many buildings were built in the style of Stalinist architecture. The plans for the modern city of Pyongyang were first displayed for public viewing in a theatre building. On 27 July 1953 – the day the armistice between North Korea and South Korea was signed

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyongyang

    Great outcome.

    No peace treaty there too.

  1381. @Miggle

    Your error comes in trying to equate the “Nazis” re Lidice with the Israelis re Gaza. They are not the same situation at all. The Gazans have not protected an assassin of Netanyahu, let alone any high-level Jewish leader, have they? You fail to appreciate the great importance placed on Reinhard Heydrich as a future leader by Hitler, Himmler et al (which the British did appreciate!). The British knew the reaction would be severe – thus there are those who, not illogically, place the blame for what punishment did occur on them.

    The British are more than willing to sacrifice anyone other than the British.

    Your other error is in relying on a memory of the infant you because of the big impression made on your particular family. It is larger than life in your memory and “fits” with your feelings about the reprisals against the Gazans who you sympathize with. It’s all in where our sympathies lie, isn’t that right?

    I admit my sympathies lie with the Germans, so my heart goes out to the great loss to the National Socialists of Reinhard Heydrich. Perhaps Ron Unz is neutral on the issue.

  1382. annamaria says:
    @Ron Unz

    “the public killing of those four American mercenaries in Iraq led to the whole destruction of the entire city of Fallujah in retaliation, a vastly larger measure.”

    — The destruction was accompanied by the use of depleted uranium, a heinous crime against humanity. https://www.transcend.org/tms/2018/04/unnecessary-suffering-the-legacy-of-depleted-uranium/

    Zioonists’ dream comes true:

    It was Mesopotamia, the cradle of civilization, which propelled us forward with its invention of writing, domestication of animals and settled life. Now its groundwater and soil store the radioactivity of 630 tons of depleted uranium weapons. … Uranium 238, with a half-life 4 ½ billion years, lies on the region in the scattered tons of wreckage. Contamination is permanent. Its radiological and chemical toxicity exposes the population to continuous alpha radiation that is breathed into lungs, absorbed through the skin, touched by the unwashed hands of kids. …

    When human bone cells are exposed to depleted uranium they fragment, breaking away from chromosomes and reforming abnormally, and the mutations are passed from parent to child. Iraq is experiencing an epidemic of birth defects, sometimes multiple defects in one baby. … so much DU has been fired that the genetic future of the Iraqi people is destroyed. For every defect now, we will see thousands in future generations. Fifty percent of children are born with malformations, and in a few years it can be every one. …

    Fallujah experiences the highest rate of genetic damage in any population ever studied. Birth defects are 14 times higher than those in Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Between 2007-10 half of the babies were born with birth defects.

    “Suppose Dick Cheney had been visiting Iraq and was assassinated there…”
    — That would be an act of justice against the widely acknowledged war criminal and destroyer of the US Constitution.

  1383. FB says: • Website
    @Fox

    This telegram says nothing of the sort as you claim. Krumey says that no directive about what is intended for these children has been issued and he asks for information or what is intended for them.

    WRONG…

    My father was stationed in West Germany during the 1960s…my mother and I were there for three of those years, and since we lived off base I went to a German public school for my first three grades of primary school…much later I was hosted as an exchange student by a wonderful family in East Germany…I know the language well…

    Let’s look at that telegram shall we…?

    First let’s note the letterhead, which says ‘Litzmannstadt’…the Nazi name for the occupied Polish city of Lodz…a major site of concentration and extermination camps for non-Jews…

    Several concentration camps and death camps arose in the city’s vicinity for the non-Jewish inhabitants of the regions, among them the infamous Radogoszcz prison and several minor camps for the Romani people and for Polish children.

    Yes CHILDREN…

    The Nazi scum were of a particularly unhealthy form of subhuman psychopath that had no problem with murdering children…

    But let us go on with the telegram…

    The subject line says…

    Rendition of 88 Czech children

    The first two sentences recap the deportation of the children from Lidice to this death camp complex in Poland…note the children are described as ‘parentless’ [elternlos]…

    The third sentence is the incriminating evidence…

    Since, so far a further DISPOSAL of the whereabouts of these children has not occurred, allow me an appropriate arrangement.

    There is no ‘question’…or any request for any directive…do you see any question marks…?

    The ‘bitte ich’ is a German idiom that transliterates to ‘allow me’…you might say that when holding the door open for someone…[the literal translation is ‘please me’…]

    It is an ASSERTION…not any kind of request…

    Let us recall here that your original assertion was that the women and children were ‘spared…’

    Likely this false assertion is from simple ignorance…as you neo-Nazis tend to be fanatical, uneducated ideologues who tend not to know much about the real world…

    But with typical Nazi shamelessness you have the nerve to sputter more nonsense here…instead of retreating back into your hole, like any person with an ounce of character would do…

    The grotesque part is that you and your ilk here are not only unmoved by the murder of a village full of white Christian children…but even seek to justify and downplay this monstrous crime…

    For instance the disgusting bleating of the coprophiliac ‘Jacque Sheepe…’

    The historical fact is crystal clear…other than those 17 children that were adopted to German families [the telegram mentions that Krumey had separated seven children for this purpose…specifically using the German word for adoption, ‘annahme’]…those 82 children remain unaccounted for to this day…despite the massive efforts of the postwar Czech authorities to locate them…

    The older ones of ages thirteen or fourteen would surely have remembered their lives in Lidice just three years prior…what logic can possibly explain that they survived, but failed to seek out their relatives in 1945…?

    That is just Nazi level stupidity at work right there…

    If you had bothered to look at the peer-reviewed article I pointed to… you would have seen the heartbreaking letter written by those small hands from the Lodz death camp…

    Notice that Ema and Venda request A PIECE OF BREAD…

    That is the sickness of the Nazi scum…that they would starve children…

    And the fact that the Nazis murdered MILLIONS of white Christian children in Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Belarus and elsewhere IS THE MILLSTONE AROUND YOUR NECK…

    You might get some mileage by denying the Jewish genocide…on account of the fact that many ordinary folks are increasingly unsympathetic to Jews and Israel [and rightly so]…but the white people of Eastern Europe and Russia WILL NEVER FORGET, NOR FORGIVE…

    By now Nazi clowns like yourself should get an inkling that your hollow rattling noises here can be easily punctured by educated and moral people…since they consist purely of bullshit…as I have proved conclusively…

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Fox
    , @Wally
  1384. My father was stationed in West Germany during the 1960s…my mother and I were there for three of those years, and since we lived off base I went to a German public school for my first three grades of primary school…much later I was hosted as an exchange student by a wonderful family in East Germany…I know the language well…

    You have become victim of your own vicious propaganda and lies. You have become a loyal brainwashed servant of the empire.

    Btw, nonsense, the document you posted says absolutely nothing about dead children.
    It simply states that 88 children arrived who became orphans, 7 of these children had been basically taken out of the group and given to most probably German families, ie adoption (“rückdeutschungsfähig” it states). The entire telegram states in painfully obvious clear German, that these children are alive at the time of writing the telegram.

    You are a liar, with obviously shady German language skills.

  1385. @FB

    How did you get past the inner German border “in the 60ies”, “with your mom off base”?
    The CIA would have been certainly interested to know, Stasi, KGB, and BND as well. Did you make it up?
    Jewish spy, like Markus Wolff?
    Did he invite you in the “peasant and worker paradise”?

    • Replies: @FB
    , @turtle
  1386. FB says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    …fanatic Jewish-activist…deep cover…psychological profile…

    But enough levity…let us address the, ehrm, ‘substance’ of your comment…

    …the reason the British and the Communists decided to assassinate Heydrich was that they were concerned that he’d become very popular among the Czechs by extending them the same social welfare benefits that German workers had long enjoyed.

    Well…speaking plainly here…in historiographical terms that is just guffaw-level bullshit…

    Again I appeal to simple logic…if the Czechs were so ‘pleased’ under German occupation…why on earth did they turn on the civilian German population in 1945 with such barbarity…?

    Please go ahead and explain your logic here…

    While you’re at it, you could also explain why to this day the assassination of the psychopath Heydrich is celebrated in Czechia…?

    For example the historical tour in Prague celebrating the assassination…which I had pointed to earlier…

    And how do you explain the Prague Uprising…days before the Red Army arrived in early May, 1945…?

    To this day the Czechs are unapologetic for their reprisals against the three million Germans that were forced out…as spelled out in the joint Czech-German declaration, which I had already mentioned previously…

    If we also take into account some very basic historical context, we see how your above statement comes off sounding quite laughable…

    Even before the Nazi occupation, there was considerable resentment and even animus to the Germans in Czechia…who were basically settlers known as ‘Volkdeutche’…

    In the same way Israel appropriates Palestinian land in the West Bank and inserts heavily subsidized settlers…the Austrian Empire did likewise for several centuries of rule over Slavic nations in Central and Eastern Europe…this includes parts of not only Czechia, but Poland, Ukraine, Serbia, Croatia and others…

    The Volkdeutche were settled on the best tracts of land, high-handedly appropriated as with any colonialist enterprise…and the settlers subsidized with a generous stipend of gold ducats…

    They made no attempt to assimilate, but instead lorded over the locals in a way completely analogous to Israeli settlers…

    After the collapse of the Austrian Empire in World War One…these millions of Volkdeutche settlers were left stranded in what could be fairly described as hostile territory…with new countries like Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia taking up territories comprising Austria’s former colonial holdings…

    They were in fact treated quite well by the host nations…and some in fact made some effort to assimilate…although this wasn’t required…

    This is the required context that you seem wholly unaware of when speaking about the Nazi occupation…and the disposition of the local populace to said occupation…it was the last straw…

    Heydrich the psychopath was universally hated by the Czechs…not least for his reign of terror…

    Heydrich started his rule by terrorising the population: he proclaimed martial law, and 142 people were executed within five days of his arrival in Prague.

    Despite public displays of goodwill towards the populace, privately Heydrich left no illusions about his eventual goal:

    “This entire area will one day be definitely German, and the Czechs have nothing to expect here.”

    Eventually up to two-thirds of the populace were to be either removed to regions of Russia or exterminated after Nazi Germany won the war. Bohemia and Moravia faced annexation directly into the German Reich.

    So yeah…judging by Heydrich’s own words…we may deduce the veracity of your claim about the supposed love of Czechs towards this maniac to be approximately ZERO…

    I could go on about your analogy of Heydrich and Bremer…noting perhaps a Freudian slip, as the 2003 Iraq war of aggression can be no more justified than Hitler’s war of aggression against Czechia…

    As for your ‘point’ about Heydrich riding around in an open car…well…maybe Bremer might have done the same had he had three million Americans surrounding him in Iraq…

    Another laughable whiff…

    But let us wind this up by quickly recapping this discussion shall we…?

    I responded to one of your extremely ignorant Nazi creatures here by pointing out that I had personally spoken to white Christian survivors of Nazi mass murder in Eastern Europe…your hopelessly stupid minion decided to challenge me on that point…[as I pointed out already…being educated is not exactly part of the Neo-Nazi agenda]…

    When I brought forth the facts surrounding one such case, Lidice…you decided to jump in with your above ‘argument…’

    As we see upon closer examination…your ‘argument’ is, well, how shall I put it politely…?

    For a supposedly ‘brilliant’ man…I would say you need to learn to pick your battles more carefully…

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Commentator Mike
    , @Fox
  1387. FB says: • Website
    @Germanicus

    Honestly..I have to wonder how one can fail to be embarrassed at displaying such signs of mental retardation…

    https://www.military.com/spouse/military-relocation/pcs-moves/27-things-you-must-know-before-pcsing-to-germany.html

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  1388. Assuming for a moment any of this is’t 100% wartime propaganda and is actauly true…

    An “extermination camp” (with or without gas chambers) that maintains a post office and allows it’s inmates to send and receive letters. In these letters they ask to be sent food and clothes, as it is assumed these items would actually be delivered to them.

  1389. turtle says:
    @Germanicus

    From what I know..
    My senior year in U.S. High School (I guess “Gymnasium” in German parlance), we had two exchange students, one from the Netherlands, the other from Austria (Österreich, as it was shown on postage stamps}. None from FRG.
    Does anyone seriously believe Americans would be allowed to live (even temporarily) in a Communist country at the height of the Cold War?
    Bullshit is bullshit, in any language.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  1390. @FB

    No, you are just a liar,

    You claim you crossed the inner German border as member of US military family.
    You claim you went “exchange” to Soviet occupied Germany, as member of a US military family.
    This could only be possible as Intelligence personnel during that time, you know Cuban missile crisis, cold war paranoia east and west, spy exchanges.
    Outright ridiculous claim, absurd, such an “exchange” would had been sanctioned by the MfS, Mielke and Wolff, Moscow and the KGB would have known automatically.

    Do you happen to know this building?

    Or this bridge?

    You are just a really bad liar and thus a moron.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @turtle
  1391. @turtle

    If “FB” is Zion’s elite force, there is hope.
    There is no shadow without illumination.

    • Agree: turtle
    • Replies: @turtle
  1392. FB says: • Website
    @Germanicus

    You are just itching to prove how mentally challenged you are…

    My father was stationed in West Germany during the 1960s…my mother and I were there for three of those years, and since we lived off base I went to a German public school for my first three grades of primary school…much later I was hosted as an exchange student by a wonderful family in East Germany…

    What part of MUCH LATER are you having difficulty with…?

    By the time I went off as an exchange student was more than a decade after we left West Germany…and my father having long retired from the military…

    Where do I say that I somehow went off to East Germany while I was in grades one through three…?…while my father was stationed there in the military…?

    Even a hospitalized mental patient knows what an exchange student is…you do that while in high school and college…

    Try again asshat…

  1393. turtle says:
    @Germanicus

    “Bridge of Spies”
    the only Steven Spielberg film I actually like.
    Trailer in German:

    and in English:

    (movie much better than English trailer, IMO)

  1394. turtle says:
    @Germanicus

    LOL
    Nice comment.
    Soy de acuerdo.:)
    Looks like they had a shift change in Tel Aviv.
    Either that , or F*ck B*tt managed to sober up.
    Either way, it’s all good.

  1395. @FB

    So when exactly were you there?

  1396. @FB

    You are so smart.
    You know everything.
    You are always right.
    You went to see some Czech village with big ditch and little girl.
    So you must speak Czech.
    So here is one ancient Czech proverb,
    You will have no problem to understand it.

    Kdyby v riti byly ryby
    nebylo by treba rybnika.
    Strchil bych prst do prdele,
    vytahl bych kaprika.
    v

  1397. FB says: • Website

    Do the math…we left West Germany after my third grade…

    My stay with my East German host family [years later] was certainly a milestone in my all round development…opening my eyes quite wide to the capitalist bullshit and industrial-scale indoctrination practiced here…but that’s a discussion for another time…

  1398. @Robjil

    All true and I noticed the Tub Lady hasn’t responded.

  1399. FB says: • Website

    The systematic wanker ‘turtle’ puts in his 1.5 cents…

    Does anyone seriously believe Americans would be allowed to live (even temporarily) in a Communist country at the height of the Cold War?

    …based on his ‘broad’ life experience…[roughly equivalent to that of…a turtle…LOL]

    So Americans couldn’t go to East Germany…?

    But they can still go to North Korea…?

    Every year since the early 1960s, millions of Westerners went on holiday in Eastern Europe.

    Eastern Europe took part in the rapidly growing travel industry during the Cold War.

    This article explores, through the prism of the Swedish Folkturist travel agency, the increasing interconnectedness of the tourist industries on either side of the systemic and ideological Cold War divide.

    And then we have incidents like this…

    An American student held nearly 10 months in East Berlin has been sentenced to seven years in prison on charges of making propaganda statements against the East German government.

    An unfortunate case to be sure…and those did happen…but East Germany was famous for welcoming foreign students…mainly from third world countries…but honest students from the west were certainly accepted…

  1400. Theodore says:
    @Corvinus

    I stated deniers, NOT published deniers. Big difference.

    So basically you’re attacking a strawman? Got it

    Name names.

    Graf, Mottogno, Faurisson, Rudolf, Kues, Kollerstrom, Dalton, Butz, basically every single one of them – no exception.

    While there has yet to be a “smoking gun” as far as written evidence of Hitler ordering the Final Solution, there was a purposeful administrative process carried out in concert by the Nazi Party, the civil service, industry, and the Wehrmacht armed forces, in a network of offices spanning a continent. There was a distinct destruction process to inflict maximum damage upon a group of people, as documentary evidence from each of these four parts have indicated.

    Except there is literally no documentary evidence for an extermination of Jews.

    War-time German documents & writings mentioning the “Final Solution”
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12296

    The Missing Hitler Order (collection of quotes stating there is no “written order” to exterminate Jews)
    https://codoh.com/library/document/885/

    His work was debunked.

    Nonsense, but let’s see if you actually discredit any of his arguments.

    How do you place credibility on a “scientific” report that uses for references the writer making up names for himself and then cross referencing to them as footnotes for confirmation of his “facts”?

    That’s extremely dishonest of you to say such a thing. First off, he does not appeal to a false authority as you’re implying. You’re saying, he cites a fake name as “proof” – basically, “Look, I am correct because this expert says so!”
    That is absolutely wrong, he is simply citing an article where he has already proven something. Please, give an example of him inventing a persona specifically to appeal to an authority. Please, do it. You can’t find a single example of fraud in his work.

    As for psuedoynms, it makes sense why he had some… It’s literally illegal in his home country to question the Holocaust. Therefore, he created psuedonyms.

    Rudolf has addressed this absurd argument:

    [MORE]

    McCarthy argues that every time I quote a work I have written using a pen name without expressively stating that this is me, I do so in order to use these authors’ works “as authorities to bolster” my own arguments. That is untrue.

    1. If I revealed a pen name every time I quoted it, what would be the use of pen names? If McCarthy agrees that using pen names is an acceptable measure to avoid social persecution and political prosecution, why then should it be dishonest not to reveal the pen name?
    2. From time to time I indeed have indicated who is hiding behind certain pen names. Once you start doing so, you would have to do it always. But by doing so, I would have to expose others as well, who are hiding behind pen names and who would then immediately be exposed to heavy criminal prosecution in Europe. Does McCarthy want me to be responsible that people are being sent to prison because I have to be always honest and tell everybody the truth about every pen name? Would he have demanded this from dissident in the former USSR? Why is he demanding it from dissidents in the present People’s Republic of Continental Europe?
    3. Frequently I get chided for revealing my own pen names, simply because people think I should not give my readers the impression that I want to impress the public with the amount and importance of work that I am doing. So I stopped it. I don’t want to appear arrogant.
    4. In all cases when I refer to my own works written under a pen name, I never do it to say: “look, this expert has the same opinion as I have”, but rather to say “this fact or argument was proven and published there.”
    5. Quoting works in science follows a certain formal procedure, as McCarthy and Dr. Green should know. The background of it is to enable the reader to find the quoted source. That means in our case that you refer to the author’s name as it is to be found in the libraries’ database. Giving a possible real name for a pen name that is not included in the library data is not additional data that enables anybody to find the work quoted better than without the real name given.

    http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/CharacterAssassins.html

    Now, you may say that he had to “protect” himself, but a scientist need not use multiple aliases, each with their own accolades for academic backgrounds/disciplines. That is patently fraudulent. Moreover, he is quoted as saying “Chemistry is not the science which can prove or refute any allegations about the Holocaust ‘rigorously’”…even though he used this discipline to showcase his own findings.

    So basically you are just paraphrasing an already addressed article supposing to “debunk” him, but deceptively passing it off as your own work.
    Laughable!

    Here is Rudolf’s response:
    http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/Evasions.html

    Please refute his expert report – Oh yeah, you can’t!

    What hoax?

    The hoax that there is huge mass graves in exactly known locations at Treblinka, but nobody can show they exist!

    Your “Debunking” link is totally irrelevant, try again.

    Please show me 1/10 of 1% of the alleged millions of pounds of remains for 870,000 Jews buried in exactly known locations at Treblinka

  1401. Fox says:
    @FB

    I refer you to Germanicus’ reply; he affirms what I said before (note: I used different words). That your German is of very uncertain comprehension-otherwise you would understand what the letter you produced says- and that you have an unhealthy set of believes is clear both from your assertions of the contents of the letter and your near-apoplexic reactions and choice of words in general.
    You don’t comprehend German to any meaningful degree; which seems to be also true for English, because the letter of Ema and Venda indicates that two children could send a letter to their aunt and uncle, asking for some provisions. They also asked for some food, perhaps because it was scarce for most everyone in the besieged Europe of that time?
    (By the way: “peer reviewed” is not necessarily a sign of quality; all-too-many of these “peers” have a completely one-sided and unintellectual view, and of course exclusively anti-fascist opinions, otherwise they would not rise in the hierarchy of political systems with a major objective to justify the means of coming to power and the gains made on this way, as well as making to disappear the swath of misery and destruction created on this rise to power. This, coupled with the fact that people with differing opinions get assaulted, prosecuted and incarcerated in these systems with their “reviewing peers” calls in question the value of such assertions. I recommend you to start thinking for yourself in the first place, reject authority over you, use your own head to think.)

    That the three years you say you spent in Germany were used by you exclusively to nourish your desire to have a feel-good hatred of someone gives witness to your ideological corset of your life.
    Take a step back from the abyss you are starring into with such avidity.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  1402. Wally says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Leave it to the clueless to post links to material that has already been demolished.
    ex.: See my information which you dodged in comment #302.

    I particularly like your laughably cited ‘Photographs Documenting the Holocaust in Hungary by László Karsai Ph.D”, which contains no “holocaust” photos. LOL
    It does have pictures which supposedly depict a mere handful of actual corpses (vs. the alleged millions) with no provenance and nothing to prove their authenticity. Nothing to prove that: 1. they were actually murdered by the Germans, 2. that the photos are from the period (some even look like the typical shoddy Communist fakes) 3. that that they are even Jews. 4. all we see are captions which anyone could and did contrive.
    Imagine these laughable images in a real court of law, under cross examination. And come to think of it, why weren’t they used in any trials? Oops!

    Remember, we’re talking about an alleged ‘6M Jews & 5M others’ … 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    recommended:
    Forty-Six Important Unanswered Questions Regarding the Nazi ‘Gas Chambers’: https://codoh.com/library/document/987/
    Covers Auschwitz, Majdanek, Stutthof, & Treblinka and more.
    ‘Some Technical and Chemical Considerations about the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz and Birkenau’, by Master Chemist Germar Rudolf: http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndgcger.html
    Auschwitz: Eyewitness Reports and Perpetrator Confessions of the Holocaust—30 Gas-Chamber Witnesses Scrutinized, by Jürgen Graf:
    https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=36– FRAUD: ‘Mass Graves claimed to be found at Treblinka’ :https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6804
    The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax


    Video Link

  1403. @Fox

    Take a step back from the abyss you are starring into with such avidity.

    “FB” should probably give his script to Hollywood, they could make a nice fiction movie from it, perhaps “Hotel Stasi”, and a part 2 “My Au-pair time in Wandlitz”.

    The assertion to had been on an “exchange” in GDR some unspecified time later during or after the 60ies is highly absurd. Zero credibility, my guess would be, “FB” is still pretty young hasbarist, a hired mouth with no education whatsoever.

    An “exchange” would mean the MfS knew, and “FB” would eventually be an entry in the Rosenholz files, a Stasi catalog of spies, moles and double agents, the US had confiscated for more than 10 years.

    “FB” basically claims, he broke into a high security prison and made it look like a normal (nonexistent) student exchange. The guards didn’t notice at all at the main gates, that a pesky class enemy and US imperialist entered the prison, and the Stasi just said “welcome friend”.
    Lee Harvey Oswald wasn’t so well received by the Soviets.

    • Replies: @Fox
  1404. Wally says:
    @FB

    said:
    “o yeah…judging by Heydrich’s own words…we may deduce the veracity of your claim about the supposed love of Czechs towards this maniac to be approximately ZERO…”

    Except that you have not shown us any of Heydrich’s own words. LOL

    Please show us an authentic German document from Heydrich which you feel supports your heretofore unproven position.

    BTW here’s another of your “survivors”:
    Jew ‘Survived’ By Rising From The Grave: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9938

    And you’ll enjoy this:Jews lounging poolside at ‘death camp’ Mauthausen.”

    Recommended, new from “Holocaust” Handbooks:
    Auschwitz: Eyewitness Reports and Perpetrator Confessions of the Holocaust—30 Gas-Chamber Witnesses Scrutinized, by Jürgen Graf:
    https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=36

  1405. @FB

    I finally managed to load this long thread and catch up on the lively debate. I read you were all arguing about some village of Lidice, when Nazis committed war crimes against civilians, massacring women and children, throughout Nazi-occupied Europe, east and west, whether the civilians were Jews or not, whether they were commies or not, whoever, even lining up their own German soldiers who refused to shoot on civilians. Everybody and his dog knows that’s what Nazis are all about and that’s what they do, or they wouldn’t be Nazis would they? It seems to be news only to some readers of UR.

    Just another village wiped out by Nazis, this one in France:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradour-sur-Glane_massacre

    The worst of it is that the Nazis continued with their mass murder of civilians even when they knew the war was lost and it served no purpose any more to murder women, children, the elderly. Yes, that’s how nasty and evil they were, mass murder just for the sake of mass murder.

    I can understand RU giving a platform to Nazis for the sake of free speech and all that, like a sort of Speakers Corner on the www, but why should he takes sides with them and justify their crimes is beyond me. So some of those murdered were harbouring those fighting against the Nazis. So what? It was war! And then what about almost the entire population of Germany harbouring, supporting, feeding, and arming those Nazi mass murderers? They were apparently entitled to fair treatment but those villagers in occupied territories were not.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @annamaria
    , @Wally
  1406. Robjil says:
    @Commentator Mike

    War against civilians is wrong no matter who does it.

    The Zion BC wars are wrong for the same reason.

    Yet, we can’t say that since it is anti-S.

    The Middle East is full of S speaking people.

    These Zion BC wars are therefore anti-S according to logic.

    Logic is not allowed to be used these days since it is Anti-S.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  1407. MarkinLA says:
    @Truth3

    He could simply let anything go. I think Audacious Epigone does that. I think he just got tired of all the negative blow back. He is a major Reagan apologist and a lot of Reagan’s stupidity is what morphed into our neocon, free trade, anti-white policies of today. They all got their start or were put on steroids under Reagan.

  1408. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robjil

    What does “Zion **BC** ” mean?

    • Replies: @Robjil
  1409. Ahoy says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=8dTN36IlLuQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=R6-gUqNPi4I

    “Ι will splinter the CIA into thousand pieces and throw them to the wind”. JFK

    My gut feeling is that it is happening. The Epstein case is much bigger than Trump. It goes all the way to London and we all know who livew there.

  1410. Ahoy says:

    My comment #1450 was placed here by mistake. Please forgive me. Its right place is in the Ron Unz article.

  1411. annamaria says:
    @Commentator Mike

    “I can understand RU giving a platform to Nazis …”

    — Why zionists are against research in WWII? — What the zionists are afraid of? https://portside.org/2014-11-20/how-israel-lobby-protected-ukrainian-neo-nazis

    I would like to ask Israelis to also respect our patriotic feelings,” Tyahnybok has remarked. “Probably each party in the [Israeli] Knesset is nationalist. With God’s help, let it be this way for us too.

    October 1991 Tyahnybok became a member of the Social-National Party of Ukraine… According to Der Spiegel the “Social-National Party” title was an “intentional reference to Adolf Hitler’s National Socialist party.” Another echo was the use of the Wolfsangel logo, a symbol popular among neo-Nazi groups.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=DRTttyZ-MDk

  1412. 14U2C says:

    This principal needs to be severely punished.

    How dare he question the integrity of God’s chosen people. They know what they are trying to accomplish. They should control the whole wide world. We need to join them and become Israelites/Jews/God’s people. The sooner the better.

    Donate all you own to them. Become their slaves.

    Get it ? Us and them. Yeah. All God’s people in the same church on a Sunday morning. Worshipping together.

    Hallelujah! Hallelujah! AMEN.

  1413. Wally says:
    @Commentator Mike

    – Quite like the Zionist you are, you dodged what I posted about Lidice.

    Children were not shot, the alleged ‘whole village was also not “murderd”, and those involved were legally executed under international law.
    see:
    https://www.unz.com/article/why-germany-attacked-the-soviet-union/?highlight=lidice#comment-3120669
    And # 1349 0f this thread

    – As for your Zionist propaganda about Oradour-sur-glane, for which you’ve laughably cited a Zionist controlled Wikipedia article, these demolish your nonsense:

    ‘Persecution in France for “The Waffen-SS: Innocent at Oradour”
    By Vincent Reynouard: https://codoh.com/library/document/631/?lang=en
    and:
    France: New evidence prompts investigation (Oradour-sur-Glane: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7603

    And lots, lots more here: https://codoh.com/search/?sorting=relevance&q=oradour

    – You said: “The worst of it is that the Nazis continued with their mass murder of civilians even when they knew the war was lost and it served no purpose any more to murder women, children, the elderly. ”

    That’s complete Zionist / Communist bullshit for which you have no proof. Bring it if you think you have it.

    – You said: “And then what about almost the entire population of Germany harbouring, supporting, feeding, and arming those Nazi mass murderers?”

    So what alleged “mass murderers” are you fantasizing about? Who do you think they ‘mass murdered’ Where? How? Show us the claimed human remains. Your weasely lack of specifics is revealing. IOW, you’re all talk.

  1414. Robjil says:
    @anonymous

    Zion BC or 500 BC Zion means that Zionists are stuck in fantasies of BC times of the Tanakh/Old Testament.

    The whole Israel project is built on Zion BC fantasies. The US is Zion BC and State now. The USS Liberty attack by Israel and nine eleven were both OK since they both work for Zion BC and State goals.

    Our media is Zion BC and State propaganda and nothing more than that. Therefore, the Zion BCists can do anything they want no matter how vile and it is OK. Mad Albright gave us a clue of this Zion BC OK thing, When she in 1997 said 500000 Iraqi children dying of US sanctions was OK.

    Zion BC and State only “cares” for whatever works to create a Zion BC fantasy world in Israel and the world. Everything else is nothing to them.

  1415. j2 says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “It is not “illogical” at all to ask what happened to people who were not murdered but deported elsewhere.”

    According to American Jewish Congress Yearbooks there were 8.9 million Jews in Europe in 1939 or which 2.8 million were in the Soviet Union and in the three Baltic States.

    According to the same source, adding DP camps and emigrations (both legal and illegal ) to Israel, and to Israel, the USA, Canada, and South Africal from DP camps 4.4 million Jews survived, assuming that the figure of 2 million for the Soviet Union in 1948 is correct.

    From these follows that the Jewish death toll from Jewish numbers is 8.9-4.4=4.5 million.

    But there is a problem: the Soviet Union figures in 1939 and 1948 are both highly uncertain. There is good reason to claim that the correct figure for 1939 is not 2.8 million but 1.8 million (one million moved away in the time period 1924-1939), and that the figure 2 million in 1948 is wrong and should be 2.9 million (as the Soviet census from 1970 leads to this figure in 1948). Making these correction the Jewish death toll becomes 4.5-1.9=2.6 million. (Actually 100,000 can be still removed as all sent to Chelmno probably did not die but were shipped to Palestine, so 2.5 million is the most probable Jewish death toll.)

    As for Hungarian Jews, only some 260,000 are missing. Eichmann, when interviewed, claimed that 200,000 Hungarian Jews were left in an open camp in Auschwitz to wait for Soviets in 1945. Thus, they would have ended up to the Soviet Union.

    • Replies: @j2
  1416. j2 says:
    @j2

    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “It is not “illogical” at all to ask what happened to people who were not murdered but deported elsewhere.”

    There are no missing Jews. I will explain this in very round numbers.

    In concentration camps of that time died 1/4-1/3 of prisoners. Let us use 1/3 as the death toll.

    Nazis transported from all countries except for the Soviet Union of 1941 about 3 million Jews (that is, 1.8 million Polish Jews and 1.2 million other Jews).

    Of these 1/3 died, leaves 2 million. Of these 2 million 1.5 million were taken to three Operation Reinhardt camps and 0.5 million survived (410,000 in camps and 80,000 were hiding in Poland).
    So, that handles all but the Soviet Union.

    In the Soviet union 1/3 of these 1.5 million died in camps, it leaves 1 million.

    There were 3.2 million Jews in the Soviet Union of 1941 (that is, 1.8 in the Baltic countries and the Soviet Union of 1939, and 1.4 million in Eastern Poland that Soviets occupied in 1939).

    Of these 1/3 died in camps, 2.2 million survived.

    The total death toll is 1 million in the Western parts and 1.5 million in the Eastern part, together 2.5 million. No mass killings are needed to explain these figures.

    Let us check the other scenario, the one that is closest to the official scenario and possible:
    Assuming that the Jewish population figures for the Soviet Union in 1939 and 1948 are correct, there must be 2 million deaths more in the area of the Soviet Union of 1941. Germans must then have killed all sent to Operation Reinhardt camps, it adds 1 million deaths. And they must have killed an additional 1 million by Einsatzgruppen. This would give the death toll of 4.5 million (there is no way to get 6 million deaths by any scenario).

    But this scenario is not likely.
    The problem is that why would Germans not have killed the Jews in Auschwitz where they had many crematories but transported them to the East for killing them. As you see, this alternative scenario does not make sense.

    Therefore the Jewish figures for the Soviet Union Jewish population in 1939 and 1948 are wrong. The Jewish death toll was about 2.5 million and there is no valid argument that shows that there had to be mass killings by Germans in order to explain missing Jews. Jews are not missing, the death toll is very close to what should be expected from prison camps of that time.

    • Replies: @Wally
  1417. Wally says: • Website
    @j2

    LOL.
    j2 continues his crap.
    After all j2 previously said:

    “I believe that six million Jews were killed by Nazis, 1-1.5 million in Auschwitz.

    If it appears that the calculation does not support this belief, it is only because addition of numbers uses the normal logic where 2+2=4, but beliefs do not need to follow any logic.

    The Holocaust was a miracle and miracles do not follow mathematical logic.”

    but beliefs do not need to follow any logic. The Holocaust was a miracle and miracles do not follow mathematical logic.”
    IOW, you a laughable charlatan, a shyster, a deranged True Believer. LOL

    j2 absolutely & further slapped silly here:
    https://www.unz.com/?s=j2&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally

    • Replies: @j2
  1418. Miggle says:

    Phil, thanks of another great article.

    His statement implicitly blaming a school parent generated new problems for Latson with two Palm Beach County state lawmakers and the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) calling for his firing because he had not groveled sufficiently.

    How much has the ADL groveled while denouncing the ongoing Holocaust in Palestine being perpetrated solely by Jews? What? It doesn’t denounce the Jewish Holocaust, loves the Jewish Holocaust, is deeply implicated? Doesn’t grovel while excusing it?

    It is disgusting, this gang of Aryans from Eastern Europe, Mileikowsky alias Netanyahu and his gang given a free pass to exterminate the indigenous Semites of Palestine, murdering more every day, while criticism, accusation, deserved denunciation of those Aryans draws accusations of anti-Semitism!

  1419. j2 says:
    @Wally

    I know what you are “no bodies – no deaths” Wally. You are false opposition that is created just in order to discredit holocaust revisionism by associating it with cranks.

    The Jewish death toll cannot be much smaller than 2.5 million because it would require too large changes to Jewish population figures. The only population figures that are uncertain to a large extent are those in the three Baltic countries and the Soviet Union.

    As you claim that fewer than 2.5 million Jews died during the WWII, you must explain where are the missing Jews. As you do not do it, but merely answer that Jews are where Jews went, your arguments lose all credibility. The claim “no bodies – no deaths” is invalid as there are many ways how bodies can and do disappear, such as cremation. This 2.5 million bodies is divided into:
    – 1 million in the West, mainly cremated in camps and a small number buried in ghettos
    – 850,000 buried or cremated by Soviets in Siberia and other unoccupied areas
    – 650,000 in occupied Soviet Union of 1941, most cremated in camps, some buried in ghettos, only some small amount could be in mass graves.
    Then you say, show the huge mass graves. There should not be such huge mass graves if the death toll was 2.5 million.

    But this you refuse to notice because your sole purpose is to discredit holocaust revisionism by the typical way of false opposition: pose ridiculous claims and pretend to be representing revisionism.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @annamaria
  1420. Wally says:
    @FB

    We note that first you say the children were shot dead at Lidice and then you say that the children were deported.
    You can’t even keep your lies straight.

    – The document says nothing of killing children. It only mentions children.
    You then assume that since some children were deported they were killed, even though you have no proof.

    – Why wasn’t this document ever used in court?

    – There is only evidence of legal executions per international law, no proof that the entire village and its children were killed.

    – And of course, these deaths by execution are hardly your impossible ‘6M Jews, 5M others & gas chambers’. All of which you have been challenged to prove .. and all you can up with is Lidice.

    – The letter also says nothing about killing children. Why wouldn’t that claim and your laughably claimed mass murders be mentioned in the letter … if true?

    Imagine, an alleged “death camp” where people were allowed to send uncensored letters. Imagine an alleged “death camp” that would have allowed parcels to be sent into the site.

    – Why wasn’t this ‘letter’ ever used in court?

    – Please present your proof of a “death camp” at Lodz. We await.

    – Please show us the immense human remains that would necessarily be there if your fantasy was fact.

    you said: “And the fact that the Nazis murdered MILLIONS of white Christian children in Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Belarus and elsewhere IS THE MILLSTONE AROUND YOUR NECK

    – Pay attention, you have no proof for that laughable assertion, hence no “millstone”.

    Another FB epic fail.

    • Replies: @FB
  1421. FB says: • Website
    @Wally

    Buzz off you softheaded homosexual retard…

    [MORE]

    You are a useless little whimperer…your latest whimpering claims I said certain things…without actually quoting from my comments…putting words in my mouth is typical of a lying homo…

    I have no time for homosexual shrimps like you…

    • Replies: @Fox
  1422. Wally says: • Website
    @j2

    – Your’re the classic Zionist who is desperately trying the “holocaust-lite” routine as you realize that the alleged ‘gas chambers’ lie is falling apart.

    – As a way to preserve your privileges, you still laughably want to cling to what is just as impossible however. The alleged Einsatzgruppen murders of millions, in your case a laughble 2.5M.

    – I’ve already gave many examples of what happened to Jews, see #302 which you dodged, again.
    Of course Jews like you say that they went to huge mass graves, not me.
    – And it’s claimed by Jews that the human remain are in specific, known locations, not me; yet you cannot show them to us.

    you said:
    ” The claim “no bodies – no deaths” is invalid as there are many ways how bodies can and do disappear, such as cremation.”

    Bodies do not disappear upon cremations, you clearly have no grasp of science. And it’s your Jews that say they did not disappear, pay attention.
    i.e.:

    “The mass graves were opened and the corpses were taken out, to be consumed by the flames of huge pyres (the ‘roasts’). The bones were crushed and, together with the ashes, [b]were reburied in the same graves[/b].”
    – Israel Gutman (ed.), Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, 4 vols., Macmillan, New York 1990, vol. 4, p. 1481-87

    Again, a ridiculous story to be sure, but there it is.

    – You numbers are laughable with no basis whatsoever. Pure contrivances.

    Then you contradict the narrative yet again by saying:
    “There should not be such huge mass graves if the death toll was 2.5 million.

    It is Jews / “holocaust historians” who make the claims that the alleged mass killings occurred in centralized known locations like Babi Yar.

    You’ve painted yourself into a corner.
    No alleged immense human remains to be seen in alleged known locations, no ‘holocaust’.

    • Replies: @j2
  1423. annamaria says:
    @j2

    “you must explain where are the missing Jews”

    — Not, it is you and other zionists who should stop putting honest researchers in WWII to prisons and allowing the Jewish thugs to physically assault and murder the researchers.
    It does not seem that zionists are eager to find the “missing Jews.” — Why? Perhaps because such an investigation could endanger the profiteering schema of “holohoax survivors”?

    Moreover, zionists have lost any moral ground for holo-biz quetching by promoting the genocidal policies in Palestine, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Iran.
    A repost of #1459:

    How much has the ADL groveled while denouncing the ongoing Holocaust in Palestine being perpetrated solely by Jews? …

    It is disgusting, this gang of Aryans from Eastern Europe, Mileikowsky alias Netanyahu and his gang given a free pass to exterminate the indigenous Semites of Palestine, murdering more every day, while criticism, accusation, deserved denunciation of those Aryans draws accusations of anti-Semitism!

    • Replies: @Truth3
    , @j2
    , @j2
  1424. Truth3 says:
    @annamaria

    Well done as usual Anna Maria.

  1425. Fox says:
    @FB

    Wally’s questions are valid.

  1426. Fox says:
    @FB

    I am afraid you are not quite right on several accounts: Heydrich did not ride around in an open car amongst 3 million Germans; he was the Reichsprotektor in Bohemia and Moravia, the (by far) Czech majority areas of the short-lived Czecho-Slovakia, hence, he rode around amongst seven million Czechs in an open car, not amongst three million Germans. In the Munich accord, the Czech and German areas were separated with the result that only some small German enclaves remained in Bohemia. Czechs in the German area (Sudeten) were given the choice to leave or obtain German citizenship.
    It is also useful to remember that the Czechs were living for a thousand years amongst Germans and no attempt was made by Germans to destroy their Czech ethnicity, language or customs. I would take that as evidence for a rather liberal environment, and that they could produce such a hostility against Germans is not comprehensible to me.
    As for your statement that German settlers in South Slavia or Hungary were given the best pieces of land without regard of the local population, I wonder whether that is true; after all, at the time of German settlement there, the population in Europe was a l o t smaller than it is now, and, as far as I know, settlements occurred in areas not previously cultivated, i.e., wilderness. The result is that these areas were made arable and prosperous.
    Germans first went to Transylvania (the German Siebenbürgen) on invitation by King Geisa II. in the 12th century, they built a number of fortified cities, even villages, as a defence against the Kumanic tribes from the east, then against incursions from Byzantium pushing up north. Eventually Turks made their incursions in this area, leading to further settlements by Saxons, Swabians and people from Luxemburg.
    I also don’t know when “the best land was expropriated from Czechs and given to Volksdeutsche”. Until late in 1918, Bohemia (= the Czech area of settlement) was Austrian, the Sudeten Germans were also Austrian subjects, only the Czech armed seizure of power after the Armistice and the impossibility of maintaining order made it possible for the Czechs under Masaryk and his tall tales with Wilson to make the German area “Czech territory”.
    Why the Czechs are still celebrating Heydrich’s assassination might have the same reason the Poles feel that they own one third of Germany: The certain feeling of wrongdoing is turned into mean contempt for the victim.
    I find an easy explanation for the Czech rebellion in spring of 1945: With the Russians and Americans coming, that would put the Czechs on the side of the victors, and with Benes appealing to the lowest instincts a mob was easily created.
    It must not be forgotten that Czecho-Slovakia was, as Yugoslavia, an artificial construct that disintegrated as soon as circumstances allowed. Far from a small country being treated unfairly, these clobbered-together strategic assets of the victors of 1918 had no real statehood, but were kept on the tether of powers opposed to Germany. Hence, the splitting off of the Sudeten areas was not a national catastrophe for a country just 19 years in existence then.
    Inasmuch the Czech rump state could exist on its own is another question, but Hacha seems to have foreseen that there was only a future in concert with Germany, but as an eventually independent country. During the war, Bohemia was not damaged or drawn into hostilities an was rather prosperous through manufacture for Axis forces. The status as a Protectorate is a rather common one, I am just thinking of Guam or Puerto Rico.

    • Replies: @FB
  1427. Fox says:
    @Germanicus

    FB has a big problem with factual accounts; one branch of his approach is to tell tales from travels in foreign and exotic lands, rather like Münchhausen.
    We could see this with his letter in German, the contents of which were not what he claimed, an impossibility for someone who would have spoken German for as long as he says he did. If FB had been on “exchange” in the Soviet Zone, it would have been with a certain task accorded to him, and he would be, as you suggest, in the official list of spies. I did not know about the “Rosenholz files”, a revealing name, by the way, as a pointer to post-war careers as had by certain distinct groups.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  1428. j2 says:
    @annamaria

    “— Not, it is you and other zionists who should stop putting honest researchers in WWII to prisons and allowing the Jewish thugs to physically assault and murder the researchers.
    It does not seem that zionists are eager to find the “missing Jews.” — Why? Perhaps because such an investigation could endanger the profiteering schema of “holohoax survivors”?”

    I am no Zionist and I do not support putting any researchers to prisons or getting physically assaulted for their research.

    My estimation for the number shot by Einsatzgruppen is 50,000. The same amount I estimate was shot by SS Divisions, based on a recent Finnish study that SS Division Viking shot about 10,000 civilians in the Eastern front, of whom 4,000-7,000 were Jewish.

    I estimate that under Germans rule died about 1.5 million Jews, in Soviet refugee camps 0.85 million and in Romania (under Romanian rule) about 0.15 million.

    There are not many places where from you could find missing Jews. Israel immigration numbers fit well with Israel Jewish population. The only unexplained population can be found from Palestine before 1948, it is about 100,000-150,000, which cannot be easily explained by natural population growth and immigration. It could fit e.g. to this number of Jews sent to Chelmno.

    Poland is often proposed as a place where there could still be much more Jews than is officially admitted, but there are two recent DNA studies of Poland. The samples seem representative and do not support the idea that there are many missing Jews in Poland.

    Sizes of Jewish populations in Western countries were well known in 1939 and there were no unknown movements of Jews to these countries. Consequently, the populations in 1948 were very likely correct. (They include Jews escaping to the UK and similar movements).

    Romanian Jewish populations have been investigated, the original estimates scaled down. Romanian Jewish population in 1939 and 1948 seems to be solved.

    This leaves only the area under Soviet control in 1939 after the annexing of the Baltic states and before the attack to Poland. The Jewish population in these areas can be reduced by about 1 million in 1939 and increased by about 1 million in 1948. However, essentially larger errors are not likely.

    As for death ratios in Nazi concentration camps, we can assume that they were similar to death ratios in German POW camps, and that gives the range 1/4-1/3 dead. It does not imply intentional killing by gas chambers or mass shootings. It comes from food rations being close to the metabolic rate and infective diseases. Moving millions of people through a concentration camp system where the people stayed in camps for a long time necessarily causes a high death toll. You could look at death ratios in POW camps on both sides in the Eastern front to get a real feeling on what to expect.

    It is very clear that your goal is just to keep holocaust revisionism associated with unsupported claims so that it would not be treated seriously. You are just the mirror image of Zionists. False opposition that does not want real revisionism to present the true history.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  1429. j2 says:
    @Wally

    “– Your’re the classic Zionist who is desperately trying the “holocaust-lite” routine as you realize that the alleged ‘gas chambers’ lie is falling apart.
    – As a way to preserve your privileges, you still laughably want to cling to what is just as impossible however. The alleged Einsatzgruppen murders of millions, in your case a laughble 2.5M. ”

    Wally, you are a profoundly dishonest person. You know exactly well that in my calculation the number of Jews killed by the Einsatzgruppen is 50,000, not 2.5 million. You also know very well that I am not a Zionist, but I do think you are working for Zionists.

    Whatever death toll you propose for Jews during the Second World War, it is in any case quite large, be it 0.7 million (as you maybe say) or 2.5 million (as I calculated). Such a death toll is in a way “holocaust-lite” if you want to call it that.

    In my figure 2.5 million there are 0.85 million deaths in the Soviet side, as they had to move Jews to some camps where the death ration would be the same as typically in WWII camps in the Eastern front, 1/4-1/3, or even higher. There is also 0.15 million deaths ion Romania. Thus, deaths under German ruled area is 1.5 million.

    Of them about 0.4 million are not in concentration camps: 58,000 Yugoslavia, 50,000 1939 attack to Poland+terror and POW camps, 0.17 ghettos and work camps in Poland, 0.1 shot by SS Divisions and Einsatzgruppen.

    It follows that the figure comparable to your 0.7 million is 1.1 million, but your figure does not include Operation Reinhardt camps and deaths in camps and ghettos in the area Germany occupied in 1941-42 in the East. Thus, my figure is more accurate.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  1430. j2 says:
    @annamaria

    “— Not, it is you and other zionists”

    Well, I am no Zionist. You, annamaria, have several times (probably correctly) pointed out that in Ukraine neo-Nazis have a connection to Zionists. Are you sure that some neo-Nazi holocaust deniers do not have this same connection? Wally attacks revisionists, presents arguments that are clearly false, and used to bore everybody by repeating the same 6M comment. His goal is just to make honest research on the topic more difficult.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  1431. @j2

    Tell me, why does your ridiculous narrative require the protection of law?

    And you have the audacity to talk about free research, which is impossible with thoiught crime legislation and criminalization of research.

    • Replies: @j2
  1432. @Fox

    I did not know about the “Rosenholz files”, a revealing name, by the way, as a pointer to post-war careers as had by certain distinct groups.

    You got it.

    Like “IM Erika”(Merkel), or “IM Tulpe”(Genscher), “IM Nelke”(Steinrück), “IM Larve”(Gauck), and many more.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  1433. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Germanicus

    Compare:

    nasty Nazi “Erika”

    Present day (zionized) “Jerika”

  1434. j2 says:
    @Germanicus

    “Tell me, why does your ridiculous narrative require the protection of law?

    And you have the audacity to talk about free research, which is impossible with thoiught crime legislation and criminalization of research.”

    Why do you not read my narrative of the Jewish death toll. I answers your question:
    https://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/2018/09/24/my-final-solution-of-the-final-solution/

    The claim that six millions of Jews are missing is currently the strongest argument Holocaust supporters can give for their claim that Holocaust happened because the other arguments (physical evidence, eyewitness statements, Nazi documents and statements) have already been debunked. In the short article I show that very probably only 2.5 million Jews have died during the WWII and their deaths have not been caused by gas chambers or mass killings of millions.

    Wally avoids answering the question of missing Jews and says that Jews went where Jews go. Consider a parallel. Secret police fetches from home a person and then he is not seen again. What do you think happened to this person? Is it enough to say that the person went where these persons go? Or is it enough to say that “show me his body, no body – no death”? No, in this situation the missing person was most probably killed by the secret police and the body was disposed of. In the same way you have to answer to the question, where are the missing Jews.

    Wally also avoids answering to another question. As Hitler did not intend to kill those Jews, where did he intend to move them? The answer is simple: at least in the beginning Hitler intended to move European Jews to Palestine where they were to create Israel. Hitler had the same goal as Zionists. Wally does not like to answer this question as there is quite enough evidence that Hitler worked with Zionists (not as an anti-Semite at all) and that is not what Wally likes to admit.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Wally
  1435. @j2

    Never did consider the possibility that there were many millions of invented Jews who than went missing? The purpose of which was to increase the payments of Germany to Jews.
    But now the case is closed. Merkel declared that there would be no more payments to “Holocaust survivors” At the moment I do not see any country Jews can extort any payments.
    So all arguments about numbers are now become pointless.
    You are seem to me coming from the past. (maybe reincarnated?)

  1436. @j2

    In the short article I show that very probably only 2.5 million Jews have died during the WWII and their deaths have not been caused by gas chambers or mass killings of millions.

    Erm, nope, you are doing “holocaust” light, because your fairy tales have fallen apart.
    Hence you need new fairy tales to burrow the older ones, like with soap, lampshades, masturbation machines and whatnot. *yawn*

    You pulled these 2.5 million out of your bottom, just admit it, you have no documentation or physical evidence to back it up.

    You guys should really drop the thought crime laws, so investigators can research your alleged mass graves freely and openly. A GPR scan would already do wonders. or simply digging, right? Why so scared?

  1437. annamaria says:
    @j2

    You presented a verbose response to a very simple statement: Zionists prevent honest research in WWII.

    When such research is allowed, then — and only then — you could present your speculations on “bad revisionists” versus “good revisionists.”
    Enough already of your ADL thugs who attack honest and courageous historians in WWII while cooperating with Banderites in Ukraine and Canada.

    • Replies: @j2
  1438. j2 says:
    @annamaria

    “You presented a verbose response to a very simple statement: Zionists prevent honest research in WWII.”

    I agree with this statement.

    “When such research is allowed, then — and only then — you could present your speculations on “bad revisionists” versus “good revisionists.””

    If your view is that since Zionists do bad Holocaust research, then it is acceptable that you do bad holocaust revisionism, I disagree. While there may be a moral right to do so, when doing so, you alienate people, who might check which side is right. He would find that both sides are lying. It is much better for you if you do honest research and find the answer to the missing Jews. Only that way you can convince the wide public of what actually happened. Lying is not answered by counter-lying, and you can take my word, I am not ADL.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  1439. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    (((They))) murdered millions in two Holodomors in Ukraine, plus Russia, China, etc. The HolyHoax pales in comparison. (((google))) Genrikh Yagoda, the jewish “hitler”. That will blow your mind, if you don’t already know.

    • Agree: Robjil
  1440. Robjil says:
    @j2

    Find the missing Gentiles would should be allowed too.

    What really happened to the missing Gentiles during the Soviet Union, World War II and after World War II?

    That would be an interesting thing and sad thing for all of us.

    We all have tears.

    All tears are equal.

    • Replies: @j2
  1441. Davidwood says:

    Nor did Churchill cite the holocaust in his history of WWII.

  1442. j2 says:
    @Robjil

    “Find the missing Gentiles would should be allowed too.
    What really happened to the missing Gentiles during the Soviet Union, World War II and after World War II?”

    That has been and is being studied both by civilian and military historians. It is not a forbidden topic after the Soviet Union collapsed, but of course, all Soviet archives are not yet open and not many excavations have been made. Where, for instance, are the bodies of POWs taken by Soviets and civilians shot by Soviet Union? But remains of some missing soldiers have been found and brought back from there.

    But the topic of the Holocaust is different as getting a wrong answer from studies is forbidden in many countries as Holocaust denial. The official reason why Holocaust denial is illegal is that the Holocaust deniers are claimed to present lies. This is why holocaust revisionists should do their best not to present intentional lies. I looked at the death toll and did it starting from the best numbers I could find, so I did not present intentional lies.

    I used known and accepted figures and without any change to the official figures could show that in Auschwitz died only registered prisoners, of whom some 60,000 were Jewish. I could also show that 260,000 survived Operation Reinhardt camps and were seen in the West, which means that the official story that practically all were killed in these camps must be false. The official figures also showed that the Jewish death toll is not higher than 4.5 million.

    I also made only two suggestions, both of which can be motivated:
    1. that the Jewish population of the Baltic countries and the Soviet union in 1939 was 1 million smaller (not 2.8 million but 1.8 million) because about 1 million immigrated to the USA and Western Europe (like France) in the time period 1924-1939. This may well be so since there is no reliable census from those areas after the Russian census of 1892.
    2. that the Jewish population of the Soviet Union in 1948 was about one million larger (not 2 million but 2.9 million). This is possible because there was no census before 1950s and the census in 1970s gives a mixed Jewish population figure that seems to give 2.9 million for 1946 counting from a reasonable estimate for the population growth.
    These suggestions reduce the death toll to 2.5 million and imply that Einsatzgruppen did not kill 1-1.5 million Jews, but more like 50,000-100,000. Together these results prove all main results of holocaust revisionism to be true.

    But there are “revisionists” claim that the death toll of Jews was under 1 million. Such a claim seems impossible to any researcher of the topic and it looks like an intentional lie. This is the official reason why Holocaust denial is illegal: revisionists are presenting intentional lies.

    The reason why the Jewish death toll of less than 1 million seems so impossible is the following:
    – in the Nazi concentration camp system died some 600,000 Jews
    – in the Soviet Union in areas that Nazis did not occupy died some 850,000 Jews
    – in Romania died some 150,000 Jews
    – in ghettos and work camps in Poland died some 170,000 Jews
    – some number of Jews for sure died in the German attack of 1939 and were shot in Yugoslavia
    – some number of Jews for sure died in the East in the beginning of the Operation Barbarossa
    Together these make at least 2 million. Thus, when these “revisionists” give the figure of Jewish deaths in Nazi concentration camps (like 600,000, or 377,000, or 170,000, or 700,000), such a number can be correct but you have to look what this number means. Is it the number of Jewish deaths from which there is a death certificate? Is it an estimate of Jewish deaths on some camps and does it include all camps? Are there ghettos included? Are there included war deaths and deaths in POW camps? Are there included deaths in the Soviet Union in the Soviet side and in Romania in Romanian camps? How about shootings in Yugoslavia? The answer is no, the number that is given by these “revisionists” does not include all Jewish deaths in the WWII. Therefore it is not the total death toll and it must not be given as the total death toll.

    As for missing Jews, like what Yad Vashem database gives, there are 4.5 million Jews missing. Of these missing 4.5 million Jews we cannot be sure if all were in Europe in 1939, or even existed or e.g the same person was counted twice under a different name. If my first assumption is correct, there was 1 million Jews less in 1939 and the number of missing Jews is 3.5 million, not 4.5 million.

    Vad Vashem has another figure, 3.5 million missing Jews, and of them we can assume they existed and were not counted twice. This goes very well with the first assumption. So, let us agree, there was 1 million less Jews in 1939 than what the AJY Jewish figures give. The Jewish population in the East was not 2.8 million, it was 1.8 million.

    But then there is the second assumption: was there about 1 million more Jews in the Soviet Union in 1948 than in AJY figures? It is very possible. They are missing in Yad Vashem figures, as such Jews were indeed missing. I assume that they were in the Soviet Union, resettled by Germans to houses of those 850,00 Jews who died in the Soviet side and did not inform that they were not the original inhabitants. So, Yad Vashem figures are not in contradiction with this assumption.

    As for Hungarian Jews, only 260,000 are missing as the rest were taken to work camps by Germans and some of them survived the war. But 260,000 disappeared. I find Eichmann’s explanation very possible: these Jews, not capable of marching to Germany, were left to wait for the Soviets to an open camp in Auschwitz and many of them escaped, first to Austria, then along Danube to Romania and from there somewhere. Some 200,000 would have been in the Soviet Union in some prison camp and died there. This is just my guess, but my best guess.

    Let me add that there are only four countries where 2 million (or more) missing Jews could possibly be (where the Jewish population was large enough to absorb millions without being noticed): the Soviet Union, the USA, Israel and Poland. Poland is clean, recent DNA studies show that there are not many crypto Jews there. Israel is clean, population and immigration figures match, only 100,000-150,000 to Palestine before 1948 is possible. It leaves the Soviet Union and the USA and each can account for about 1 million but not much more. This is why I made my assumptions as I made.

    My message is this: those “revisionists”, who present without good arguments claims that appear totally impossible, are the reason why Holocaust denial is forbidden. They do it on purpose because they actually want to discredit holocaust revisionism. They are working for Zionists as false opposition. They do nothing good. Their goal is to associate holocaust revisionism with hate speech and lies, just so that the false official Holocaust story could go on. So far these “revisionists”have managed to get holocaust revisionism forbidden. That is exactly what they wanted, because deep down, they are Zionists.

  1443. Ahoy says:

    @ Robjil

    “what happened to the missing Gentiles”. Well, for one thing in the Soviet Union Geinrich Yacoda sent so many of them to summer resorts and they liked it so much that they never came back.

    Here in America they chose a different tactic. First they stole their Republic and they established a Talmudic Dictatorship that they called Democracy based on a two party system that are both controlled by Jews.

    Having done that it was easy to proceed with their displacement policy.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c39881b134dbb2490e6d26e8f22f092111bb09473293fe8dbd8996c70182c7bc.png.

    With this phase over, they proceeded with a series or laws to safeguard their lies.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42164853

    Under this air tight tyranny it is easy to play the sheeple like sock puppets. Trough dept economy of the Jewish FED you either play ball or you end up jobless, homeless etc.

    Gentiles in the US of A. are under a great danger. They need somebody like Clint Eastwood to clean the septic tank called DC, and he better show up fast before the game is over

  1444. FB says: • Website
    @Fox

    Look you illiterate moron…

    Everything you say is hot air…BACKED UP BY NOTHING…

    [MORE]

    You are squirting diarrhea here about my German translation…WITH ZERO SPECIFICS…

    HOW STUPID ARE YOU ANYWAY…?

    I have no time to waste on uneducated know-nothings…GET LOST

    • Replies: @Fox
  1445. Wally says:
    @j2

    – You lie as usual and ignore what I have posted:
    I have shown example after example of what happened to Jews.
    Here’s another:

    “After the war, many Jews stayed in Europe and many others scattered throughout the world, settling in nearly sixty countries. So it was that in the late 1990s the teams put in charge by Steven Spielberg of gathering survivors’ testimonies had to go to nearly sixty different countries to record the said testimonies on video”
    https://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com/2009/03/alleged-holocaust-of-jews-is-proving.html

    What you avoid is the fact that it’s claimed by your Jews that they went to enormous mass graves in allegedly known locations, but those remains do not exist.

    The “Holocau$t Industry” in court:
    ‘Please your honor, there really are remains of millions upon millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are, but, but, well, umm, we can’t show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we’re Zionists.’

    – Originally the Nazis had the “Madagascar Plan” but when this was determined to be untenable, and after the start of the Russian campaign, they decided on transporting Jews to the newly conquered eastern territories. This change was announced 22 August 1941 by SS-Sturmbannführer Carltheo Zeitschel, an advisor at the German embassy in Paris.
    see: War-time German documents & writings mentioning the “Final Solution”: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12296

    – Also, real & verifiable documents demolish the ridiculous ‘extermination’ claims:

    “Mr Reich Minister Lammers informed me that the Führer had repeatedly declared to him that he wants to hear that the Solution of the Jewish Problem has been postponed until after the war is over. That being so, the current discussions are of purely theoretical value, in Mr Reich Minister Lammers’ opinion. He will moreover take pains to ensure that, whatever else happens, no fundamental decisions are taken without his knowledge in consequence of a surprise briefing by any third party.”

    Document’s origins. Schlegelberger’s undated minute on Lammer’s reference to Hitler’s ruling is in German Federal Archives (BA) file R.22/52. It was sent to Staatssekretär Freisler and two other officials (bottom left). This document has been published in facsimile in David Irving’s books Hitler’s War, Goebbels. Mastermind of the Third Reich, and Nuremberg, the Last Battle. It was definitely dated March or April 1942. Lammers was in Berlin on April 26, 1942. See Scheel’s report on a talk between Lammers and Meissner after the final session that day (T175/139/7479 et seq.)

    in support of the Schlegelberger Document see the Luther Memorandum:
    http://www.codoh.com/library/document/154/
    Hitler, the ‘Final Solution,’ and the Luther Memorandum
    A Response to Evans and Longerich
    excerpt:

    “On the occasion of a reception by the Reich Foreign Minister on 26 November 1941 the Bulgarian Foreign Minister Popoff touched on the problem of according like treatment to the Jews of European nationalities and pointed out the difficulties that the Bulgarians had in the application of their Jewish laws to Jews of foreign nationality.”

    “The Reich Foreign Minister answered that he thought this question brought by Mr. Popoff not uninteresting. Even now he could say one thing to him, that at the end of the war all Jews would have to leave Europe. This was the unalterable decision of the Fuehrer and also the only way to master this problem, as only a global and comprehensive solution could be applied and individual measures would not help very much.”

    – Hitler, July 24, 1942:

    “The Jews are interested in Europe for economic reasons, but Europe must reject them, if only out of self-interest … After this war is over, I will rigorously hold to the view … that the Jews will have to leave and emigrate to Madagascar or some other Jewish national state.”
    – source: H. Picker, Hitlers Tischgesprche im Fuehrerhaupt quartier (Stuttgart: 1976), p. 456. Also mentioned in Gerald Reitlinger, The Final Solution: (Jacob Aronson, Inc., 1987), p. 78

    Yes, Hitler worked with Zionists, I never said he didn’t.
    You are a liar and I have proven it.

    • Replies: @j2
  1446. Fox says:
    @FB

    Foul language and cursing, a sure sign of ignorance and deep disappointment about one’s stance.
    “Wer schimpft hat unrecht”, in English: “He who cusses (knows that he) is wrong”, to quote Schopenhauer.

    • Replies: @FB
  1447. FB says: • Website
    @Fox

    Doesn’t change the fact that you bring NOTHING to substantiate your wild claims…the same way Softhead ‘Wally’ INVENTS things I supposedly said without actually quoting…

    As for my language directed at you dumb losers…have you ever spent any time in the country…?

    Then you might have seen and heard the language one uses on a porker who has got out of his pen and is tearing up the vegetable garden…

    So my language is quite suitable thank you…

    Like I said…you uneducated, unwashed Nazi illiterates need to understand that your silly little bullshit world exists only in your own extremely dumb heads…DUMMKOPF…

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Truth3
    , @geokat62
    , @Fox
  1448. annamaria says:
    @FB

    https://consortiumnews.com/2019/08/01/the-ongoing-dread-in-gaza-so-many-names-so-many-lives/

    Ultimately, 2,104 Palestinians, more than two-thirds of whom were civilians, including 495 children, were killed during the seven-week attack on the Gaza Strip in 2014.

    – The same, year, 2014, zionists joined their efforts with the self-proclaimed neo-nazi in Ukraine:

    “Human rights groups have filed a complaint with the Israeli High Court of Justice demanding that the government stop selling automatic weapons to Ukrainian neo-Nazi militia”

    . https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Israel-Selling-Arms-To-Neo-Nazi-Ukrainian-Militia-Case-Claims-20180710-0021.html

    More than 40 human rights activists signed the petition arguing that Israel is selling military-style Tavor and Negev automatic weapons to the Ukrainian government, knowing that some of these arms end up in the hands of right-wing, neo-Nazi Azov militia.

    Azov militia and Ukrainian soldiers are regularly armed with Israeli-made Tavor rifles, reports Haaretz … the Ukrainian militia is being trained by Israeli Defense Forces.

    In addition, Ukraine’s air force chief also met with an Israeli defense company in 2016 to discuss the upgrading of Ukrainian warplane communication systems. Adding to the evidence of bilateral arms deals, the Ukrainian company ‘Fort’ was approved to produce Israeli Tavor, Negev, and Galil rifles.

    https://i0.wp.com/thegrayzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/ukraine-nazis-israel-weapons-azov-battalion.jpg?zoom=2&resize=845%2C450&ssl=1
    Comment section: https://consortiumnews.com/2019/08/01/the-ongoing-dread-in-gaza-so-many-names-so-many-lives/

    Israel is a terrorist state. What they have done to the Palestinians and to Christians living in the occupied territories are war crimes. All Israel has done since 1967 is steal homes, land and murdered anyone who gets in their way.

    Time to convert the holo-biz museums into Nakba museums.
    Plus, the world needs to know about the enormous crimes committed by Jewish Bolsheviks in Russia and beyond.

  1449. So my language is quite suitable thank you…

    Indeed … it comes from the sewers of New York and Tel Aviv, my uneducated silly Jew friend.

    It is you people who run an inquisition, and you give actually a pretty good insight, how the jewish inquisition ticks, works, speaks and thinks.

    “If you don’t believe my BS, I will beat you and kill you. I am chosen by god. My word is god, you heretic”

    Sums up the creature “FB” pretty well, or in short, you are Rumpelstilzchen.

  1450. j2 says:
    @Wally

    “– You lie as usual and ignore what I have posted:
    I have shown example after example of what happened to Jews.
    Here’s another:
    “After the war, many Jews stayed in Europe and many others scattered throughout the world, settling in nearly sixty countries. So it was that in the late 1990s the teams put in charge by Steven Spielberg of gathering survivors’ testimonies had to go to nearly sixty different countries to record the said testimonies on video””

    Wally, it is you who lies. Holocaust survivors may well have spread to sixty countries, but that means the know survivors. There were 410,000 Jews in the concentration camps in 1946, and some 260,000 came to DP-camps between 1946 and 1948. Additionally there were 600,000 in Western Europe under Nazi rule who were not transported, 80,000 in Poland who were not found by Nazis, 150,000 in Romania, not killed. All under Nazi rule (410,00+600,000+80,00=1,090,000 + those in the Soviet area) were Holocaust survivors, so they spread to 60 countries according to your information. However, we are not talking about these known survivors but of the putative over 2 million unknown survivors, the missing Jews. No examples of what happened to some people can solve this problem. You have to finally explain what happened to the missing Jews if you reject my proposal that does explain what happened to 2 million missing Jews and which suggests that 2.5 million Jews did die in the war time.

    The problem is here, and if you study the issue you will see the problem yourself:

    I cannot find any place for a larger number that about two million missing Jews, that means, not known survivors but missing Jews, who should be crypto-Jews or parts of existing Jewish communities that grew in a faster pace than expected. The only places where you can put these missing millions of Jews are the USA and the former Soviet Union, and they can only take some 2 million, not much more.

    Consider this, Germans had POW camps, small ones, in Northern Finland. We know that their death ration was 24. 5%. Finns had larger POW camps, which were modeled after German ones, their death ratio was 29.5%. The death ratio grows if a camp is larger because there are more problems with diseases and distribution of food. Consequently, such huge camps, like Auschwitz, should have higher death ratios. Consider Soviet camps. How many survived from Paulus men? How many survived from the almost 200,000 Polish Jews who escaped to the Soviet side when Germany attacked in 1939? Not many. The death ratio was high on that side in all camps. You do get this 2-2.5 million dead Jews by any calculation you wish to make. It is simply so that transporting millions of people in the way of concentration camps does result into millions of dead. You can check the death ratio by looking at the POW camps in the American Civil War, in the Boer War, in the Finnish civil war. In all these the time prisoners were in camps was much shorter than in the WWII, but scaling the time up, you see that they had similar death ratios. The death ratio in WWII camps was close to 1/3, especially as the Nazi camp system broke down in the end.

    So, what are you arguing about? Just do the calculations and you will get the same result as I did. I will give you one last chance to be on the good side.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  1451. @j2

    So, what are you arguing about?

    Your horse crap you post under different sock puppet names.

    Can you please define “holocaust” as used by the jewish inquisition to silence any doubt and research? They are unable to define it, here is your chance, please do.

    Your idiotic juggling of fantasy numbers will lead to nowhere, but ridicule.

    I posted jewish Almanac numbers, and there were 5500 Jews more in 1945 than in 1939.

    • Replies: @j2
  1452. Truth3 says:
    @FB

    FB has been exposed (by me and others, including Ron Unz) to be an Israeli apologist, likely paid by the Israeli Government.

    He is a disgusting farcical zio-troll, complete with all the usual sophistry provided him by his handlers, coupled with his own filth fascination.

    If you see him in public, give him a swirly. Lumberjack preferred.

    • Agree: turtle
  1453. 444age says: • Website

    It took me 66 years to discover the true historicity of Zionism and the holocaust. First I found this:

    1.

    And then this:

    2.

  1454. j2 says:
    @Germanicus

    “I posted jewish Almanac numbers, and there were 5500 Jews more in 1945 than in 1939.”

    Jewish World Almanac numbers giving the total Jewish population in the world are here:
    1941 15,748,091
    1944 15,192,089
    1947 15,688,259
    1948 15,688,259
    1949 11,266,600

    These numbers are based on the statistics of the American Jewish Congress Yearbooks, the same data that I used. Jewish population sizes could not be obtained from Europe before 1948. The numbers for 1939 and 1947 use the same Jewish populations for European countries under Nazi, Soviet or Romanian rule and have updated figures only for countries that were not under such a rule, like the UK and the USA. As Jews escaped from Benelux countries to the UK, we see some increase in the world Jewish population, but this is incorrect. Only in 1948 the American Jewish Congress got updated figures for European countries and you see the drop of 4.42 million. This assumes that the Soviet Union and the Baltic countries gave their Jewish population sizes correctly in 1939, but as they had not made any reliable census, their figures are highly uncertain, which the American Jewish Congress Yearbook for 1938/39 acknowledges. Also the Soviet Union figure for 1948 is highly uncertain as it is not based on any census. Soviets could not know how many Jews they had in 1948.

    “Your horse crap you post under different sock puppet names.”

    I do not appear under any other name than j2, while I start to think that Germanicus is a sock puppet of Wally.

    “Can you please define “holocaust” as used by the jewish inquisition to silence any doubt and research? They are unable to define it, here is your chance, please do.”

    Holocaust means a burnt offering to God. It is used by the Jewish inquisition (ADL, B’nai B’rith, banker’s club) to suggest that the Jews, who lost their lives in the WWII, were an offering to God, a sacrifice that was needed at the end-of-the-times before Jews could return to the Promised Land and could recreate Israel. This great persecution and death of 2/3 (or 1/3) is predicted in Old Testament prophesies and it had to be created so that religious Jews would have accepted the return of Jews to Palestine even though the Messiah had not come. As this concept is religious, you are not allowed to question the figure 6 million. It has a religious significance and as a religious dogma questioning it means claiming that Jews did not have the right to return and establish Israel.

    “Your idiotic juggling of fantasy numbers will lead to nowhere, but ridicule.”

    There is no fantasy in my numbers. They are likely to be as correct as you can get. Instead, your nonsense mumbling has no other purpose than to black paint honest revisionist work. You have contributed nothing to this work, neither has your alter ego Wally. Wally simply posts links to codoh articles, which everybody, who has studied this topic, anyway already knows. You oppose my numbers for the sole purpose that the issue would not be solved and Zionists, like you, can claim that revisionists are idiots: just look at Wally and Germanicus, those are not serious researchers, all revisionists are like them, just crazy anti-Semites powered by irrational hatred.

    This is also the reason you and Wally are anti-Polish. You are afraid that Poland, not any more under Communist rule, would finally re-investigate how many Jews died in Auschwitz. It would give the killing blow to the Holocaust story. You do not want this to happen, so you have to be as anti-Polish as you can, so that Poland will feel that all revisionism is the work of neo-Nazis and will not look at the issue. So far you have manages, but the times are changing.

    You are typical false opposition. That much is very clear. Every old conspiracy theory is infested by false opposition: controlled opposition that tries to ridicule real opponents of the official story.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @turtle
  1455. geokat62 says:
    @FB

    Like I said…you uneducated, unwashed Nazi illiterates need to understand that your silly little bullshit world exists only in your own extremely dumb heads…DUMMKOPF…

    DUMMKOPF? Why not stick with the more commonly known Yiddish variant, goyishe-kopf?

  1456. Fox says:
    @FB

    For curiosity’s sake: What are my wild claims?
    I can’t take the burden from you to look up who King Geisa was, or when the Byzantine Empire made military incursions into Eastern Europe, or know the reason why Germans were going to Transylvania in the 12th century, or understand what the document you showed in facsimile says. Understanding doesn’t mean that you read into a text what your favorite obsession needs to see in order to feed its fire.
    I am only mentioning what irks you about me, not the many other things you are throwing at other commenters.
    I seriously advise you to calm down; high blood pressure is a grave affliction, is brought about by constant upset, especially when self-induced as with you, and can lead to a stroke.

  1457. @j2

    Jewish World Almanac numbers giving the total Jewish population in the world are here:

    About 5500 Jews surplus. Yeah, so where do you get the “missing” 2.5 million Jews from? Based on your false 1949 numbers?
    Show any European people who had a surplus population after 1945.

    And why are there suddenly millions missing starting in 1949? Tell me.
    Your projection actually is childish and does not work, you are a liar, who now tried to pass off his fairy tales as “revisionist”. You are a terribly bad liar and you will not be able to hide it. Who do you try to fool here, you ar doing the typical Jew game, covering up lies with new lies.

    Still one question, tell me, why does your narrative require protection of law, force and violence?

    • Replies: @j2
  1458. j2 says:
    @Germanicus

    “About 5500 Jews surplus. Yeah, so where do you get the “missing” 2.5 million Jews from? Based on your false 1949 numbers? And why are there suddenly millions missing starting in 1949? Tell me.”

    As I said, the numbers in the Almanac are from the Yearbooks of the American Jewish Congress and the first year they have updated figures from countries fully or partially occupied in the WWII by Germans is 1948. The Yearbook of 1948/49 tries to cheat as they have there a table where they increased (without any given reason) the Jewish populations in 1938/39 in order to get 5.7 million missing Jews. So, they are dishonest in the Yearbook, but one can correct it rather easily.
    Using the original figures from the Yearbook of 1938/39 and taking into account emigration of Jews from Germany-Austria abroad, we get 4.5 million missing Jews, like in the Almanac. You get 2.5 million by making two assumptions: that the Jewish population in the East is overestimated in 1939 by 1 million and that the Jewish population of the Soviet Union in 1948 is underestimated by 900,000. I explained this to you several times already. Are you maybe retarded?

    “Your projection actually is childish and does not work, you are a liar, who now tried to pass off his fairy tales as “revisionist”. You are a terribly bad liar and you will not be able to hide it. Who do you try to fool here, you ar doing the typical Jew game, covering up lies with new lies.”

    You describe yourself, not me. But you do not fool anybody. Only you and your sock puppets (Wally may be one) agree with you. People do have some common sense and can see what you are. I suggest you stop this discussion as you are ruining your reputation totally. The way you discuss is too similar to the style of Hasbara trolls in this site.

    “Still one question, tell me, why does your narrative require protection of law, force and violence?”

    My narrative does not require protection of law, force and violence, nor does it have it.

  1459. @j2

    Using the original figures from the Yearbook of 1938/39 and taking into account emigration of Jews from Germany-Austria abroad, we get 4.5 million missing Jews, like in the Almanac.

    Bullshit!
    The amazing thing with you liars is, you just keep repeating the stuff. If it has been debunked, you simply start the program anew. Rinse and repeat. but it will never become true.

    Please define “holocaust”. I am not interested in your fantasies, I am interested why you people need an inquisition to protect your claims.

  1460. turtle says:
    @j2

    As this concept is religious, you are not allowed to question the figure 6 million. It has a religious significance

    Precisely.
    And what is the proper term for questioning of religious dogma?
    Why, heresy, of course.
    Verifiable truth has no place in theology.

    Holocaust means a burnt offering to God. … Jews, who lost their lives in the WWII, were an offering to God, a sacrifice that was needed at the end-of-the-times before Jews could return to the Promised Land

    Which makes Adolf Hitler, or perhaps, more correctly, Heinrich Himmler, the Great Redeemer of the Jews, does it not? No small achievement for a former chicken farmer.
    So why are there no monuments to Heinrich the Great in the “State of Israel?”

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  1461. @j2

    You get 2.5 million by making two assumptions: that the Jewish population in the East is overestimated in 1939 by 1 million and that the Jewish population of the Soviet Union in 1948 is underestimated by 900,000.

    First time J2 has admitted his core contribution of the 2.5 million number is based on “assumptions.” I may have missed it before.

    Anyone who has to revert to labeling his discussion opponents “sock puppets” and “controlled opposition”, as J2 did to me and now to Wally, Germanicus and Fox — such a person does not have a solid argument. It seems to me that J2’s long comments about numbers are intentionally impossible to follow, in the manner of a con-man intentionally confusing his victim.

    • Replies: @j2
  1462. j2 says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    “First time J2 has admitted his core contribution of the 2.5 million number is based on “assumptions.” I may have missed it before.”

    I have always made it very clear that these two are assumptions. It is very clearly stated in all my posts, which you asked to give to you for reading in the earlier discussion, but which you never did read. Apparently you do miss much of what you read.

    “Anyone who has to revert to labeling his discussion opponents “sock puppets” and “controlled opposition”, as J2 did to me and now to Wally, Germanicus and Fox — such a person does not have a solid argument. ”

    Read Germanicus’ comment 1492: “Your horse crap you post under different sock puppet names.” He first accused me of using sock puppets, them I suggested that Germanicus may indeed be Wally’s sock puppet. But about you, I have never suggested that you are a sock puppet. That you, Wally and Germanicus are controlled opposition, that is extremely likely.

    “It seems to me that J2’s long comments about numbers are intentionally impossible to follow, in the manner of a con-man intentionally confusing his victim.”

    Most people can add and subtract quite fine and that is the level needed with those calculations. Just add and subtract numbers. You can take the American Jewish Yearbook numbers from 38/39 and 48/49 and do the calculations from them. You do not need to believe that these numbers are correct, just do the calculations correctly, and take the Polish census of 1932. Just with these numbers you can show that the official Auschwitz story is false. But as you claim being unable to add and subtract numbers, I assume that either you must be seriously retarded or, what is much more likely, you are a con-woman intentionally trying to confuse other people possibly following this thread. That means, you are controlled opposition shown by your pretended inability to make simple additions and subtractions to numbers. I give you the example that you pretend not to be able to do:

    Nazis transported from other countries than Poland, Baltic countries, the Soviet Union and Romania 1.14-1.2 million Jews. Let us call these countries the West. The West included Hungary and similar countries, so it is just a term.

    In the part of Poland Germany occupied in 1939 there were 1.84 million Jews after some 200,000 had run to the east. Call this West-Poland. Auschwitz is there, so are all other “death camps”. In the part the Soviets occupied, East-Poland, were 1.46 million Jews. Together in Poland 3.1 million.

    Nazis made some small direct transfers the Baltic countries and Easter Poland to West-Poland, basically to concentration camps. There was transfer to both direction, but the netto sum is that 60,000 Jews were moved to the West-Poland.

    Thus, in the West-Poland there were 1.2+1.84+0.06=3.1 million Jews.

    Of them 1.5 million were sent to the three Operation Reinhardt camps, leaves 3.1-1.5=1.6 million.
    410,00 survived in concentration camps to 1946 and 80,000 managed to hide in Poland, so 0.5 million survived the war. This leaves 1.6-0.5=1.1 million.

    If in Auschwitz died 1 million, then there is left 1.1-1=0.1 million to die in all of these other places where according to the official story they died:
    – Majdanek (official claim 59,000 or more)
    – Chelmno (official claim 150,000 or more)
    – shootings in Yugoslavia (official claim 58,000)
    – Theresienstadt (official claim 30,000)
    – camps in Germany (official claim about 360,000, assume that at least 150,000 were Jews)
    – death marches (several thousands minimum)
    – ghettos and work camps in Poland (official claim about 160,000 or more)
    – died in attack of 1939, terror after it, or in POW camps (tens of thousands)

    Just sum these and notice that the sum is over 0.1 million. So, you just proved that the Jewish death toll of 1-1.5 million in Auschwitz must be false.

    Carolyn, was this really so difficult even to your math. skills? Or are you simply lazy to read anything?

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  1463. @j2

    I have always made it very clear that these two are assumptions.

    You write so much, and so poorly, that one is actually repelled from reading it closely. I’m just glad I saw it this time. It makes a difference.

    I have never suggested that you are a sock puppet. That you, Wally and Germanicus are controlled opposition, that is extremely likely.

    I didn’t say you suggested I was a sock puppet, but “controlled opposition.” That is extremely UNLIKELY, since I am a known entity in revisionism since 2007 (https://carolynyeager.net/earlyarticles) and you are a complete unknown who calls himself J2. You’re just saying these things because I first said you didn’t know what you were talking about. You then came up with saying I was an Israel agent! I think you picked that up from some unsavory characters in the past whose names I won’t mention but that puts you in even greater disrepute than otherwise.

    What evidence can you provide that would lead to the suspicion that Wally and Fox, or even Germanicus are “controlled opposition?” That is a serious charge under normal circumstances. Of course, this comment thread doesn’t signify as normal since anonymity is the rule rather than the exception.

    • Replies: @j2
  1464. @turtle

    So why are there no monuments to Heinrich the Great in the “State of Israel?”

    The question is more, why are there monuments to the Soviet red army in Israel, if Israel is allegedly so “nazi”? Wouldn’t these Israeli “nazis” build monuments for Hitler etc if they were? And why would the “US nazis” do annually at least 3 propaganda movies demonizing the “nazis”, ie themselves? Are these “US nazis” a little bit mentally retarded?

    Soviet monument in Israel…

    Lenin’s Jewish roots put on display in Russian museum
    Exhibition reveals letter written by Lenin’s sister claiming maternal grandfather was Ukrainian Jew; Stalin told sister to keep letter quiet.

    https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Lenins-Jewish-roots-put-on-display-in-Russian-museum

  1465. j2 says:

    ” I didn’t say you suggested I was a sock puppet, but “controlled opposition.” That is extremely UNLIKELY, since I am a known entity in revisionism since 2007 (https://carolynyeager.net/earlyarticles) and you are a complete unknown who calls himself J2. ”

    Maybe you want to check how known entity you in reality are in the research community by writing your name to scholar.google.com. Exclude articles from Carolyn M Yeager and CV Yeager, who are not you. You find 6 citations to articles you have put to your own web sites (carolynyeager.net, eliewieseltattoo.com). You also find one article by you on your own web site (eliewieseltattoo.com) discussing the Buchenwald man photo, and one reference to your Elie Wiesel article in Bradley Smiths’ Codoh article “Fragments: Another Ordinary Life”, which is not a scientific article but memories, and Michael Collins Piper in an article mentions your Auschwitz booklet (which scholar.google does not mention, but goodreads rates it as 2/5, so poor writing). So, are these much for a researcher of any topic? No, this is very little indeed. You are an unknown entity to the research community. As for web in general, Wikipedia does not have an article of you, but Metapedia has, and there are some not so favorable comments of you. As you, I would prefer not to have such fame as you have. It is largely negative.
    Out of us two, you are the amateur in research, without any research background. Should you claim that some professional research person has made errors in his arguments, you should explain very carefully where you think the errors are, because with your background in research, the most like outcome is that you are the one who made the errors. This is where experience counts, and you have no experience that counts.

    “You’re just saying these things because I first said you didn’t know what you were talking about. You then came up with saying I was an Israel agent!”

    No, first you claimed that Germans did not do anything bad in the WWII. Then I mentioned burning of Lapland and Warsaw, which you first claimed did not happen and when shown that it did, you claimed that certainly Germans did not do it on purpose. Then we discussed the Jewish death toll and you claimed that I do not know what I was talking about, but I explained this for a long time and every time it turned out that it is you who does not know what she is talking about. You were so stubborn and pretending not to understand anything that finally I had to conclude that you do it on purpose, that you work for Zionists (I did not suggest you are an Israel agent, but zionist infiltrator). Naturally it is a grave accusation, but you made it extremely likely that it be true. Your scientific results on revisionism, as shown by scholar.google.com, are so meager that they very well agree with you being an infiltrator, not a real revisionist.

    “I think you picked that up from some unsavory characters in the past whose names I won’t mention but that puts you in even greater disrepute than otherwise.”

    I do not know what you are referring to. I did not pick up anything form any unsavory characters of the past. I commented your very aggressive and comptemptous way of discussing in this Unz forum.

    “What evidence can you provide that would lead to the suspicion that Wally and Fox, or even Germanicus are “controlled opposition?”

    About Fox I do not know anything. I do not remember that I had commented that he is false flag. About Wally and Germanicus I do not need to show evidence because both Wally and Germanicus have first made such claims of me. Thus, I can make similar claims of them without evidence just to balance the situation. But indeed, I do think Wally is false flag, so do some other commenters in this webzine. The reason is that Wally always attacks me for no apparent reason.

    “That is a serious charge under normal circumstances. Of course, this comment thread doesn’t signify as normal since anonymity is the rule rather than the exception.”

    Indeed. If you look at the comments, you will find that Wally and Germanicus make much more offensive comments that I ever, and that you also are not a nice commenter, but an aggressive person.

    You should think what you exactly oppose in my numbers and why. My numbers are as good as you can get nowadays. You say you did not read my arguments, but at the same time you claim I do not know what I am talking about. That is a serious charge in research. One does not do so in research: if you claim that my argument is incorrect, then explain what you find incorrect in it. It is you who have made the unsupported claim that my arguments are wrong. I have only commented that you apparently have some external motive to behave in this way.

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  1466. j2 says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    “What evidence can you provide that would lead to the suspicion that Wally and Fox, or even Germanicus are “controlled opposition?””

    Here you have some evidence that Wally has a strange agenda. He is trolling intentionally and one may ask for what goal. This is from Wally’s comment 71 in the 2017 Anti-Semitism Scare thread:

    – J2, in attempt to move the goalposts in lieu of his inability to tell us how the alleged ‘gas chambers’ supposedly worked, now says that 2.5 M Jews were shot by the Einsatzgruppen, while he dodges the claims about the millions of ‘others’ and my posts which utterly shred the Einsatzgruppen lies.

    – J2 says that the remains of his laughable 2.5 M Jews just disappeared even though “holocaust historians”say, like the alleged remains of the alleged ‘gas chambers’ victims, the human remains for those allegedly shot by the Einsatzgruppen do in fact exact exist in known locations like Babi Yar. Once again, there are no alleged human remains at those sites.

    I have never tried to explain how gas chambers were supposed to work. I have never claimed that 2.5 million were shot by Einsatzgruppen (my estimate is that they shot 50,000). The 2.5 million deaths are in small units, like 59,000 in Majdanek, burnt in crematories. I have never said anything of Babi Yar or similar places, only that the figures in the Soviet side are very uncertain.

    You see that Wally is trolling. He is intentionally dishonest. If you are a honest researcher, you should not be making false accusations as Wally does.

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  1467. @j2

    I have never tried to explain how gas chambers were supposed to work. I have never claimed that 2.5 million were shot by Einsatzgruppen (my estimate is that they shot 50,000).

    I agree that Wally uses some responses to you that are not things you have said, and that is harmful to his argument. He tends to repeat the same information over and over, apparently thinking that repetition is good. But this is not dishonesty, and not intended so, but probably laziness, unwillingness to do more than he’s used to. It doesn’t make people think he’s a troll. Only you have come up with that, and also “controlled.”

    Controlled, you have used for Fox, for Germanicus and for me. It would not occur to me to think this of any of us. To say that you can use this because some of us called you that or something similar first, tit for tat, is childish and certainly not “scholarly” as you try to pass yourself off here. If you were a true scholar you wouldn’t be so intent on arguing your thesis here in a comments section. Would you. You are an activist on this subject just as are the rest of us. You are pushing a point of view while giving yourself airs.

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  1468. j2 says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    “It doesn’t make people think he’s a troll. Only you have come up with that, and also “controlled.” ”

    You believe they do not think Wally is a troll? Here is BengaliCanadiaDude’s comment 79 from the 2017 Anti-Semitism Scare thread:
    “Wally is a certified troll,”
    I am also not the only one who thinks he works in benefit of Zionists. utu made such a comment long ago. Before me.

    “If you were a true scholar you wouldn’t be so intent on arguing your thesis here in a comments section. Would you.”

    I actually am a true scholar and from my own field I published in normal scientific forums. But this is just a hobby as I am on pension. But even here, I do not put my thesis forward only here in the Unz thread, mainly I write posts to my blog, but I do not care, on pension, whether anybody reads them. I do it just for my own fun, and Holocaust is not any of my main interests. I am much more interested on other things, like early Christianity.

    “You are an activist on this subject just as are the rest of us. You are pushing a point of view while giving yourself airs.”

    No, I am no activist on this issue, not even interested in this issue. I simply solve unsolved problems and made some calculations of the Holocaust death toll. In this particular case I noticed a question by Franklin something requiring an explanation from Wally to where are the missing Jews. Wally naturally answered that Jews go where Jews go, which is not a sufficient answer, so I explained to Franklin that there are no more missing Jews than can be expected. It is activists, like Wally, Germanicus and you, who started to argue of my comment. It was not meant to any of you three, and you can post whatever comments you like, I do not comment them, the same courtesy I would ask from you. Do not start a silly argument on this issue. The total death toll is easy to calculate and it comes to the range I gave.

    As for if you are controlled opposition or not, what you do helps only zionists. There are two possibilities: either you are too naive to see that you do only harm to the revisionist cause, or you do it intentionally. Answering like Wally is trolling, and trolling does not help your cause. No serious scientist accepts such behavior.

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  1469. @j2

    Maybe you want to check how known entity you in reality are in the research community by writing your name to scholar.google.com.

    Why is it I can’t get to scholar.google.com? Does it exist? But if they have mentioned all that you say, I am pleased. Good for me!
    I didn’t say I was “well-known” but simply “a known entity” which I am since my work is published for all to see on the Internet, under my name. Since 2010, actually earlier. You cannot say the same.

    You were so stubborn and pretending not to understand anything that finally I had to conclude that you do it on purpose, that you work for Zionists (I did not suggest you are an Israel agent, but zionist infiltrator). Naturally it is a grave accusation, but you made it extremely likely that it be true. Your scientific results on revisionism, as shown by scholar.google.com, are so meager that they very well agree with you being an infiltrator, not a real revisionist.

    Is there a difference between an Israel agent and a zionist infiltrator? Escapes me. If this is what you call reasoning, you reveal that you are just babbling. What you describe is not how an “infiltrator” would operate. You’re coming up with “reasons” to be suspicious after the fact — tap dancing, as it’s called. Fox is always extremely polite, yet you accused him of the same thing just because he disagreed with you.

    The reason you are opposed by so many is because your comments are way too long, are full of doubletalk and unnecessary details seemingly added only to increase confusion and make people stop reading. Your comments put me to sleep, not because they’re so “scholarly” – I have never had a problem handling that – but because they’re full of nonsense, the opposite of seeking truth and clarity. The truth is always pretty simple. And what do all your numbers prove? At the beginning, you said what they prove is that 6 million couldn’t possibly be accurate. We already knew that, it was already proven in other ways, so this argument you’re spending so much time on is completely extraneous to revisionism. That is far more suspicious than anything your opponents are doing.

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  1470. j2 says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    “Why is it I can’t get to scholar.google.com? Does it exist?”

    Do you have problems even with typing a search word to google? Here you have your very weak scientific work. It really does not qualify you as an expert on anything:
    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=%22carolyn+yeager%22&oq=

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  1471. @j2

    I do not put my thesis forward only here in the Unz thread, mainly I write posts to my blog, but I do not care, on pension, whether anybody reads them.

    For someone who is “not even interested in this issue,” you put a lot of time & energy into defending and repeating your proposition (with gradual changes) here at Unz. That in itself makes no sense. You also investigate those who disagree with you and label them “zionist infiltrators” working to harm holocaust revisionism. Why … if you have no interest in revisionism, are just playing with numbers?

    Well, I have no actual interest in you, so will stop trying to get you to explain yourself, and suggest others do the same, and we’ll see if you stop asserting your ideas unrequested.

  1472. @j2

    Sorry, not even this comes up. Not that a google site would be something to pay attention to. How about giving us your rating as a scholar there?

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  1473. j2 says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    How about you stopping harassing people on this site. You can write a meaningful comment to Giraldi’s article, or you can answer some question that other commenters, mainly supporters of the Holocaust story, have posed. As you claim to be an activist and a revisionist, your interest should be in informing people of your results and answering to supporters of the Holocaust story, not harassing people who do not support the story. So far I have not seen a single comment from you in this Unz site that has any content of interest in any thread. You are merely trolling – what you do engaging people in nonsense discussions, like me here, is called trolling. Trolling is bad behavior. I will stop answering to your comments.

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  1474. @j2

    I answered this last night but my internet connection was acting up and it didn’t take. That’s also the reason I could never reach scholar.google.com. I will try again:

    Very funny. In a different thread, after I had told J2 that I would no longer reply to him, he wrote that he would no longer reply to me because I did not “know enough.” Now in this thread, as soon as I addressed a comment to him, he replied and has continued doing so, even searching my name online, until I said in comment #1512 that “I have no actual interest in you, so will stop trying to get you to explain yourself, and suggest others do the same, and we’ll see if you stop asserting your ideas unrequested.”
    Immediately, in comment #1514, J2 wrote: “I will stop answering to your comments” because “You are merely trolling.”

    This copy-cat responding or “one-upmanship” is the best proof there is of J2’s disingenuousness, imo. It’s the sign of a doubletalker, not an original thinker who believes in what he’s saying.

  1475. I find j2’s analysis to be very compelling and thorough, especially given the barriers to open study of this topic. The official story is indeed a fabrication but that is a completely separate issue from the question of how many Jews died during the war.

  1476. Anonymous[187] • Disclaimer says:
    @exiled off mainstreet

    and seeing survivors with tattoos I am convinced that the Nazi regime did engage in exterminations

    Is the existence of people with tattoos not evidence AGAINST the extermination story? I am not referring only to the fact of people “surviving” rather than being exterminated, but to the tattoos themselves. Why would the Germans tattoo people who were on their way to gas chambers?

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