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多年来,中东的安全框架被描述为一种双边安排,华盛顿可以通过这种安排获得足够的沙特阿拉伯石油以保持能源市场稳定,而美国则通过其在该地区的基地及其能力提供武装实体存在。如果有人试图威胁沙特王国,就可以投射权力。 据报道该协议是在一个 1945年XNUMX月的会议 在富兰克林·D·罗斯福总统和阿卜杜勒·阿齐兹·伊本·沙特国王之间,就在第二次世界大战即将结束之际。 作为沙特阿拉伯的保护者和该地区稳定能源市场的保证者的角色后来成为美国在 2 年从科威特驱逐伊拉克军队的部分理由。

在 9/11 之后,理由变得不那么集中了。 美国入侵阿富汗,因自身无能而没有抓捕或杀死奥萨马·本·拉登,并没有建立傀儡政权而离开,而是安顿下来,继续执行长达十九年的反叛乱加训练任务。 白宫和国防部的新保守派制造的虚假情报随后将伊拉克卷入了 9/11 事件,并导致了被称为伊拉克战争的政治和军事灾难。

在第二次世界大战结束后的 75 年里,中东经历了巨大的变化,包括欧洲帝国列强从该地区撤出和以色列国的建立。 能源资源的增长和多样化意味着不再需要确保通过波斯湾的油轮运输的石油。 为了避免对美国为何继续卷入叙利亚、伊拉克、阿联酋和沙特阿拉伯产生任何混淆,唐纳德·特朗普总统在 8 月 XNUMX 日就这一问题做出了明确的说明。th 他宣布 美国不再在中东确保石油供应,而是因为我们“想保护以色列”。

该评论是特朗普在 在北卡罗来纳州温斯顿·塞勒姆的一次集会。 作为吹嘘他降低了消费者能源成本的一部分。 他说 ”我喜欢能量独立,不是吗? 我敢肯定,你们中的大多数人都注意到,当你在车里加满油箱时,通常不到两美元。 您说这是怎么发生的吗?…当我担任总统时,美国仍将是世界上第一大石油和天然气生产国。 我们将保持能源独立。 应该是很多年以后。 事实是,我们不必在中东,除了我们想保护以色列。 我们对以色列很好。 除此之外,我们不必在中东。”

当然,现实情况是,美国在中东的外交政策在很长一段时间内都与以色列有关,至少自比尔克林顿担任总统以来是这样,克林顿有时因尊重以色列利益而被称为第一位犹太总统。 . 伊拉克战争是美国政府内部的新保守派和以色列先民如何密谋发动战争以保护犹太国家的一个典型例子。 五角大楼的关键职位是犹太复国主义者保罗沃尔福威茨和道格拉斯费思。 Feith 的特别计划办公室开发了“另类情报”,将萨达姆侯赛因与基地组织以及一个被用来为战争辩护的神话核计划联系起来。 Feith 与以色列关系密切,以至于他与一家在耶路撒冷设有办事处的律师事务所合作。 然后,在副总统迪克·切尼 (Dick Cheney) 办公室工作的新保守派“滑板车”利比 (Scooter) 利比将假情报传送到白宫。

事后,前国务卿科林鲍威尔也对战争的起源有话要说, 发表评论 美国之所以进入伊拉克,是因为国防部长唐纳德·拉姆斯菲尔德 (Donald Rumsfeld) 接受了“JINSA 人群”为这样做而提出的新保守主义案例,他指的是以色列游说组织,即犹太国家安全事务研究所。

如果需要更多关于伊拉克战争起源的确认,人们可能会求助于 Philip Zelikow,他在为康多莉扎赖斯的工作人员工作时参与了规划过程。 他说 “未说明的威胁。 在这里,我对布什政府提出了一些批评,因为他们一再提出的论点是,这是对美国的威胁。 然后每个人都说:“告诉我伊拉克对美国的迫在眉睫的威胁。 告诉我,伊拉克为什么会攻击美国或对我们使用核武器?” 因此,我告诉您我真正的威胁是什么,实际上是自1990年以来。这是对以色列的威胁。 这就是不敢说出它的威胁的名字,因为欧洲人并不十分在乎这个威胁,我会坦白地告诉你。 而且,美国政府不想在言辞上过分依赖,因为这不是一个受欢迎的出售方式。”

因此,这是可以引起共鸣的一点:即使在2002-3年度,当以色列游说组织还没有现在那么强大时,美国仍将以谎言开战并实际上代表犹太国家行事,这一事实仍然是可笑的。即使美国的孩子将在冲突中丧生,而美国的纳税人也会为此付出代价,但从来没有以任何方式向公众展示。 媒体,如果知道虚假情报,就可靠地支持以色列,并助长了欺骗。

同样的欺骗一直持续到今天,直到特朗普本月早些时候撒了谎。 而现在,随着美国与以色列、阿拉伯联合酋长国和巴林达成的特殊安全安排,退出一个实际上并不威胁美国利益的麻烦地区的能力变得非常有限。 作为协议的保证者,华盛顿现在有义务代表有关各方进行干预。 想想看,一个几乎肯定会导致与伊朗开战的双赢安排,可能包括俄罗斯和中国等将向其出售军事装备的国家 与美国的“制裁”背道而驰。

菲利普·吉拉迪(Philip M.在中东。 网站是 https://councilforthenationalinterest.org, 地址为PO Box 2157,Purcellville VA 20134,其电子邮件为 [电子邮件保护].

 
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  1. geokat62 说:

    特朗普确认美国是以色列的“保护者”

    Protector? Is that a fancy word for “Bitch”?

  2. JWalters 说:

    Excellent synopsis of the situation. And if we look into the founding of Israel, we find it was founded by war profiteers. This would explain why peace has been so “elusive”. It has been relentlessly dodged. “战争奸商和'反恐战争的根源'”
    https://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com/p/war-profiteers-and-roots-of-war-on.html

    • 回复: @Wally
  3. JWalters 说:
    @geokat62

    It means Netanyahu is the de facto president of the US.

  4. 就像罗马帝国的末日一样,我们赤身裸体的皇帝碰过的任何东西都会被毁**起来了! 所以可能是END的开始🙏

  5. vot tak 说:

    Face it, america is israel’s/zionazia’s suka. Actually, their jailhouse suka. And an enthusiastic one. The process of conversion to this state of affairs has been gradual. It began before WW2. It really got going during the reagan regime and was shifted into overdrive during bush jr’s regime. The trump regime clinched the zionazi control, it being total now.

    • 回复: @Ralph B. Seymour
  6. Derer 说:

    特朗普确认美国是以色列的“保护者”

    This declaration is against the will of the American people. Hawkish policies of this nature, that endanger the American lives should be confirmed by a referendum of the people. Of course that would be logical step in a democracy but USA is not a democracy but a diktat of backroom unellected ruling clique.

  7. sethster 说:

    990. 犹太人是低智商白人所有缺陷的替罪羊,就像白人是低智商非白人所有缺陷的替罪羊一样。 让我解释一下这是如何工作的。

    为什么我们将犹太人放在许多尖端产业的最前沿? (例如,媒体/艺术和金融行业的确很盛行)。 低智商的答案当然是一个简单化的阴谋论:犹太人形成了一个邪恶的阴谋集团,从头开始创造所有这些行业,以“摧毁文化”(或者至少低智商的人认为是文化,即 一些以前的,过时的文化状态,即 较老的较低文化,即 非文化)。 而且,可以肯定的是,这些行业有很多颓废。 但是,在先进文明中,到处都有许多everywhere废! 它甚至是必不可少的先决条件! 因此,在这种文明中最有能力的人也将是最decade废的人,这是完全合理的! 堕落的吸食可卡因的妓女或同性恋好莱坞或华尔街特工的刻板印象属于这里。 好吧,伙计,如果你受到好莱坞或华尔街生活方式的压力和诱惑,也许你也是一个“堕落者”! 但是您缺乏智商,因此您当然会将整个企业简化为一个简单的,令人愤慨的童话,甚至对孩子们来说都是可笑的:一群老胡子胡须的犹太人围在一张大桌子旁,计划着破坏文明! 好吧,我对这种幼稚的废话说得够多了! 犹太人只是周围最聪明,最勤奋的人中的一部分,因此,他们会在主流文化的所有顶峰或附近碰到他们,这在每个地方都被过度代表,包括其失败和过分,都是有道理的! 这就是成为最好的意思! 这并不意味着你们是不会犯错的完美小天使,你们这些无脑的玉米喂养的白痴! 在尼采的某处有一段动人的段落,他提到欧洲欠犹太人的最高圣人(斯宾诺莎)和最高圣人(耶稣),他甚至从未听说过弗洛伊德或爱因斯坦! 鉴于犹太精神为人类提供的所有不可估量的礼物,如果我对此事有什么要说的话,在即将到来的世界秩序中的反犹太主义将是一种死罪。 对犹太人最轻微的话,你就是一个显着的人:我不仅会让你,而且你的整个大家庭都被消灭,这是肯定的。 您以为您知道魔鬼是什么,但他只是接受我命令的笨蛋。 整座城市(包括整个中东)都被夷为平地,仅仅因为那里一个人说“犹太人”的坏话,我的未来就是这样! 受够了这个愚蠢的模因! 和你们这些没脑子的亚人一起见鬼去吧! 你已经把我们的精力都浪费在这蠢货上了! 低智商的非白人也是如此,他们将所有的麻烦都归咎于白人! 这一切都是真的:犹太人和白人通过给世界带来一大堆新的可能性,而这些新的可能性是你的智商太低而无法处理的,从而为每个人增加了赌注! 那该怎么办呢? 你们都吠,还是准备咬人? 来吧,让我们看看你能做什么!

    http://orgyofthewill.net

  8. Justsaying 说:
    @Yukon Jack

    While at it, it’s best to name the fucker with an apt reminder that we keep bending down and begging for more.

  9. Talha 说:

    Honestly, I like way better out in the open like this. Now there is no reason to worry about all the other BS excuses, it’s all on the table.

    So now, as a public, we have been informed; so what are we going to do about it? Or are they so confident about their position that they know they can announce it to he world openly and be sure that there will be zero consequences?

    和平:

    • 回复: @lavoisier
    , @Moi
    , @Wizard of Oz
  10. They indeed are a peach of a pear. Donnie had a Jew write his SATs – Shapiro but unknown is how much coin he paid. Israel early times had to make a choice but yelled “Give us Barabbas!” and Barabbas was a thief. Now today- big conflab but Donnie paid 750 smackers in tax twice over 15 years and most years nothing but Ivanka got a 758,000 contact for hotels in Vancouver and Seattle —and Woody Guthrie was no friend of Fred Trump- the father of Donald Trump. BUT- God chose Trump to lead USA in 2016 —will the Almighty chose Trump again in 2020 ? Now anyone paying 750 in taxes while claiming to be a billionaire is either not ethical or realistic—or is this the squared circle of Pro Wrestling — a gong show of pretend- becoming reality??

  11. This is one issue I don’t agree with Trump.
    The zionist Christians and jews have gotten to him.
    I suppose putting his son-in-law Kushner as his “senior adviser” was a bad idea.
    Ivanka has poor choice in men.
    And why is it when non-jewish people marry jewish people, they are always pressured into converting to judaism, and not the other way around?

  12. Hess 说:

    Poor Jews! thrown into a meat grinder for the sake of Anglo ambitions for the world and human race.

    White Germanic race is the scourge on humanity and must be eradicated by any means necessary.

    • 回复: @Talha
  13. GMC 说:

    Protector, personal armies, saboteurs, financiers, assassin’s, propagandists, liars, thieves, rapists, slavers, and that is just for starters – which includes inside and outside of the former country called the USA.

  14. Oracle 说:
    @sethster

    No, you are wrong. The problem with the ‘industriousness’ is that it is characterized by the principle of profit before all, no matter how immoral the activity. People who do that don’t care about a civilized society and should not be able to reap the benefits of one.

    Also high IQ isn’t exemplified by trickery, lying, subverting and eroding the morals of the host society.

    • 同意: Ugetit, Kolya Krassotkin, Realist
    • 回复: @Amerimutt Golems
  15. Talha 说:
    @Hess

    Speaking of Germans, what are those homeboys up to lately…?

    Mergatroid 天堂!!!

    和平:

    • 谢谢: freedom-cat
    • 回复: @lavoisier
  16. Ugetit 说:

    The US is not only the protector, but has been the enabler of the mafia from the start.

    Chaim.Weizman and Nathan Sokolow approach the British with a dirty deal. The Zionists offer to use their international influence to bring the US into the war on Britain’s side, while undermining Germany from within. The price that Britain must pay for U.S. entry is to steal Palestine from Ottoman Turkey (Germany’s ally) and allow the Jews to settle there. Zionist agitated anti-German propaganda was unleashed in the US while the Zionists and Marxists of Germany begin to undermine Germany’s war effort from within. Wilson establishes the Committee on Public Information (CPI) for the purpose of manipulating public opinion in support of the war.

    -M.S. King, The Bad War, p 50.

    Similar scenario for “WW2” which was little more than a continuation of the previous biggie. They really ought to be known as the One World Wars since they were obviously part of the plan for the world to be dominated by the International mafia through such creations as the League of Subjects and the United Slave Nations with the capitol at Tel Aviv.

    • 同意: Cauchemar du Singe
    • 回复: @Malla
    , @Jack O Lantern
  17. Yes, Dr. Giraldi, you hit the nail on the head again.

    However, the problem is that most White Middle Class Americans, are satisfied and fully compliant with this situation where the USA is a Megalethon Vassal and Servile State for the poor little Israeli state .

    Also, let us be honest with ourselves, Blacks and other minorities on more occasions do dare to speak out on this issue, only to get trounced upon by the MSM and silence and snickers by the 注意安全 White American Middle Class. Do you ever find a Main Line White Politician speaking up for America’s interests and placing them first vis a vis our best little ally??? Only when it comes to Afro or the Hispanic – Americans sticking their heads up a little does Middle White Americana get all worked up and emotionally charged.

    The White Middle Class and most certainly the well moneyed Corporate Class of America, does not mind giving away huge transfers of their tax dollars, national debt, high technologies, military hardware, and even their uniformed sons and daughter, upon command from the likes of Trump and their political opportunists managing the country (Rep and Dem alike). Serving and making America serve the Greater Zio Agenda for their ME and Global domination has become the norm and unquestionable. Try raising this issue at a dinner party and see how many people role their eyes and turn their heads away.

    I doubt that the RU followers here, who seem more bent on street brawling with the false bogeymen like BLM and ANTIFA, are the ones that will stand up to the 在你的脸上 take over of WDC by AIPAC and the Israel First Crowd, including front man Trump for the Kushner-Bibi WH.

    Let us not forget the thieving and scamming Sunday preachers who tell them it is great to be in full service of the Zio (Jewish Talmudic based) domination agenda– as it has become a direct ticket to a Raptured Heaven. Jesus for them was been thrown under the bus long ago or strangely converted into a gun machine toting Israeli nut case extremist settler, clearing the land and villages of the indignies children and all.

    Let us be frank, some elements of the America First Jewish intelligentsia are more likely to call out and the whorishness ( extremes only) of the Washington’s ZOG policies than Middle Americana, who dare not risk their creature comforts, Game Time or corporate positions.

    正如古老的谚语所说, you get the Government That You Deserve.

    • 同意: Stonehands
  18. @sethster

    Are you all bark, or are you prepared to bite? Come on, let’s see what you can do! Any of you fucking pricks bark, and we’ll execute every motherfucking last one of you!

    Well your tribe has been incredibly effective at genocide and mass murder on an unprecedented scale of barbarism in the past, and I have no doubt you remain just as capable of such barbarity and cruelty today. Your rant makes that very clear.

    Too bad the high IQ does not seem to correlate in a positive way with morality.

    But thanks for the warning! Trust me, many of us are quite aware of your capabilities.

    • 回复: @Realist
  19. @Talha

    Germans are a totally deracinated and brainwashed people.

    Germany sold Israel submarines capable of launching nuclear missiles!

    A more cucked-up people are impossible to find!

    It should be no mystery how Jews have gained such control over the Gentile.

    It was granted to them, willingly.

  20. @Talha

    Most Americans do not care that their country serves the unethical territorial ambitions of the Jews.

    Most Americans believe Israel is a noble country filled with noble people that would never do anything unjust or immoral.

    Most Americans believe Israel is our greatest ally.

    This is sad, but it is true.

    Hence the predicament and the peril of our fealty to Israel.

    And the predicament and peril of all those who come into conflict with this rogue nation and people.

    • 回复: @Talha
  21. God's Fool 说:

    The only reason Trump “spilled the beans” about how we are in the Middle East to protect Israel and not to keep oil flowing is to get himself reelected and nothing else. As to war with China, Zuckerberg alone would be able to bribe the administration in particular, and both the parties in general, with his extra billions to keep them out of the war being that he has married a chink, er, Chan. All will be back to business as usual after the election … at least, for four more years.

    • 回复: @Old and Grumpy
  22. HallParvey 说:
    @JWalters

    It means Netanyahu is the de facto president of the US.

    Not quite. He is much more powerful than that. The entire Congress of the United States stands and applauds when he arrives to speak. They would never do that for Trump, or any president. The fear of being unpersoned keeps them in line.

    • 回复: @Whitewolf
  23. Realist 说:
    @Yukon Jack

    Ninety-nine percent of Americans were fucked decades ago.

  24. Malla 说:
    @Ugetit

    WW1 was a disaster for the world, three Empires destroyed, millions dead for no reason, yeah people got independence and freedom but things actually became more messy. Also the “hated” Russian Romanovs were got rid off, Russia pushed under Communist Jewish dictatorship. Also the destruction of the Caliph, imagine a united Turko-Arab Empire, no way Israel would have survived that. Even T.E. Lawrence who helped the Arabs fight the Turks was totally disappointed with the behaviour of his own Zionist controlled government. He was going to speak to the British people about the great betrayal to the Arabs and being a war hero they would have listened to him. But before he could do so he met with an “accident” while riding his motorcycle. Yeah, very convenient.

    • 同意: Robjil, Curmudgeon, Ugetit
    • 回复: @Curmudgeon
  25. Miville 说:
    @sethster

    What you say was somewhat true about the Jews of the Mitteleuropa culture that also participated in the US intellectual development just after WWII but unfortunately as has happened in many periods of their own history, Jewish intellectual superiority, which was authentic at some point, gave way to arrogance and such arrogance always results in stupidity. Now Jews are good at gathering Nobel Prizes, which is best arranged by jury-rigging and string-pulling thanks to their talent for networking, but no so good as making real inventions. In Israel proper the mean Jewish IQ, 94, is not only disappointing but a few points below even the Palestinian one. Spiritually the Jews have no longer been a chosen people for ages and most of the intellectual development they knew from about 1850 onwards was due to their being emancipated en masse from rabbinical authority, not by conforming to it : now that are falling back under an even worse collective authority with Zionism they are reversing the intellectual gains they once made.

  26. Z-man 说:
    @lavoisier

    是的,同意。
    As I was going to reply to Talha; Puke.

  27. Z-man 说:

    A bit off topic but RIP的 Steven F. Cohen.

    • 同意: Realist
  28. anon[461]• 免责声明 说:

    Back in the second half of the 80s the big war games were all IRAQ IRAQ IRAQ!!1! There was a strong push from all the interagency pukes with their dotted-lines reports to Langley – to aim at Iraq, and to suppress any practical considerations that might interfere with this very lucrative debacle. We watched these moles countering evidence and analysis with declamatory bullshit they made up. Way back then CIA had decided. April Glaspie’s headfake sprung a trap set in Kuwait by the NOCs infesting Bechtel. That horizontal-drilling rhubarb was years in preparation.

    Iraq was one big war with three phases: beating up on the Iraqi armed forces; ten years of blowing shit up; the occupation.

    It turned out great. CIA got money-laundering nirvana, a chaotic zone where they could ship pallets of money around. They got an arms entrepot that lasted 20 years.They got a great network of sites for the torture gulag, with secure impunity – when Iraq tried to accede to the Rome Statute in 05, the CIA torturers were on the spot to nip it in the bud. The tame jihadi boogeymen the torture camps produced were invaluable in creating Rumsfeld’s “terrorist corridor” in the Sahel and justifying the P2OG and the Pan-Sahel Initiative. That put AFRICOM garrisons, US-trained warlords, and CIA torture sites in one of the most diplomatically recalcitrant regions of the world:

    So turn that frown upside down! Your old bosses got a lot out of that charlie foxtrot.

    • 谢谢: Polemos
    • 回复: @vot tak
  29. Realist 说:
    @sethster

    Why do we observe Jews at the forefront of many cutting-edge industries? (for example the media/arts and financial industries are indeed rife with them).

    You are correct that Jews are in control of media/arts and finance …they are not industries. They provide nothing of value to humanity. They are merely schemes to make Jews rich.

    犹太人只是周围最聪明,最勤奋的人中的一部分,因此,他们会在主流文化的所有顶峰或附近碰到他们,这在每个地方都被过度代表,包括其失败和过分,都是有道理的!

    Smart yes, but the great failing of Jews is their lack of industriousness. The industries, that produce things of value to Western Civilization were all conceived and started by Gentiles…Henry Ford is a great example…and he knew Jews quite well. The only 行业, as you call them, that Jews are involved in are leech enterprises…financial corporations are excellent examples of leech enterprises. The financial 产品及技术 they contrive are methods to extract value from productive industries.
    A large percent of Jews are devoted…obsessed…with gaining wealth and power from the efforts of others which is the reason for their inordinate involvement in the Deep State…and also for the abject loathing by many Gentiles throughout the ages.

    • 同意: Ralph B. Seymour
  30. Moi 说:
    @geokat62

    Fact is you can fool all Americans all the time. We are a nation of ignorant people.

  31. Moi 说:
    @Talha

    Whether the truth is hidden or now out in the open doesn’t matter to a people so stupid as to believe the Creator’s offspring walked, eat and crapped on this little planet 2k years ago.

    Exhibit B of their stupidity: Electing Trump (and more than a few of his predecessors).

    • 同意: Realist
  32. Anonymous[311]• 免责声明 说:

    The NWO won’t come to America as Greta Thunberg marching ahead of the Democrats in Mao suits under LGBTQ and GND banners and tumbrels of Christians headed for the guillotine, but as one transnational compliance regime after the other enacted by treaty, such as mandatory bi-annual vaccinations with largely inefficacious vaccines carrying not just behavior modifying chemicals and sterilants as adjuvants, but DNA-altering horrors. Anyone want to argue the threats posed by these DNA- or mRNA-modifying vaccines made from, among other things, insect DNA?

    Some think it’s over the top to talk about the NWO that’s on the horizon as a Sino-Judaic, world-hegemonic NWO, but the United States government is itself already little more than a collection of compliance regimes in service to International Jewry. The 29 standing ovations from a Congress afraid to be the first to stop clapping for a kitchen cabinet salesman-turned-Caesar made that clear enough. The rest of the story, like the nonsense that Congress and DJT are 自觉自愿 protecting Israel, is eyewash for fools when International Jewry owns them all like the trained seals who perform in the Central Park Zoo.

    • 回复: @geokat62
  33. @God's Fool

    The Holy Rollers were never going to bail from Trump after the embassy move to Jerusalem. Jews on the other hand are likely not amused about such a revelation. So his words were unlikely about the election.

    • 回复: @God's Fool
  34. How is this foreign policy now not a violation of the church-state separation? Especially since Israel describes itself as a Jewish state.

    • 同意: Robjil
  35. Trinity 说:

    I encountered yet another first while trying to teach the gullible goyim how their beloved Jews and Israel really are and how Jews are leading the charge to destroy Whites, traditionally White nations, etc in yet another bullshit session with some random strangers at the gym. These conversations pop up when I run into someone talking about current events and I want to see IF they are even aware of the JQ. I also explained that the J-people are leading and funding anti-White domestic terrorist groups like (((Antifa))) and (((BLM.))) I went on to describe the Jewish leading role in pornography that promotes the degrading of White “shiksas” often showing them laying down with Black men and performing other vile and sickening acts. Well, anyhow, back to another YOU CAN’T BE THIS STUPID moment when it comes to shabbos goy behavior. Once I explained some of the Jewish behavior that is helping destroy America, I heard this one for the ages, ” but the Jews in Israel are different than the Jews in America and Europe.” I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry. I told them about the brutal treatment of Palestinians, how Israel has all but taken over a land that was majority Palestinian just a couple of generations ago, how big and brave Israeli soldiers will beat Palestinian old women and men, etc. I might has well been talking to my dog. Some of these people are HOPELESS.

  36. geokat62 说:
    @sethster

    Any of you fucking pricks bark, and we’ll execute every motherfucking last one of you!

    乔纳森·格林布拉特(Jonathan Greenblatt),是吗?

  37. @lavoisier

    Avraham Burg writes in “国土报”Say a Big ‘Thank You’ to Martin Schulz (Martin Schulz being a very prominent and influential German and European Union politician) :

    And fourth, Martin Schulz, the president of the European Parliament, is a close friend of mine. On most issues connected to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict we disagree. He is closer to the Israeli mainstream, and his positions resemble those of Labor Party chairman Isaac Herzog. He once told me, during a frank and stern conversation, “对我来说,新德国的存在只是为了确保以色列国和犹太人民的存在。” He’s a brilliant intellectual and a thoughtful politician, and we don’t need to worry – he won’t give up his existential friendship so easily. And certainly not because of Bennett or his colleague Orit Strock, the party whip.

    A very symbolic photo posted by the Israel Defence Forces’ Twitter account, in the tweet linked to by user 塔尔哈

    Heil Judea!

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @AaronB
  38. Realist 说:
    @lavoisier

    Too bad the high IQ does not seem to correlate in a positive way with morality.

    没错。

  39. Fr. John 说:

    Can I puke now? Make America WHITE Again…. ANYONE.

    Even Ruth Bader Ginsburg said, “There’s nothing in the Constitution that says the president stops being president in his last year.”-https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/09/21/breaking-trump-indicates-when-hell-announce-scotus-nominee-n948033

    ‘…If the Democrats win this election, they are going to take absolutely everything from us, they are going to lock up all pro-whites, they’re going to take your kids and forcibly inject them with tranny hormones, they’re going to burn down the churches, they’re going to flood the country with so many brown people that you won’t be able to move around. They’re going to immediately abolish the First and Second Amendments, arrest dissidents and confiscate guns. They’re going to completely destroy the economy and ensure that the only thing that exists is a mass of poor people and a tiny elite ruling class. There will be no illusions, no pretension of fairness. They will start massive wars with Russia and China, and virtually all young white men (probably middle aged ones too) will be sent to die in a grinder that will last decades. Then, you’re going to live with that situation until you die.- https://stormer-daily.rw/the-people-telling-you-not-to-vote-for-trump-because-he-was-a-bad-daddy-are-evil/

  40. Whitewolf 说:
    @HallParvey

    The Congress (and the Senate) can be remarkably bipartisan when it comes to Israeli interests. When it concerns American interests not so much.

    The democrats, some republicans and the msm have for Trump’s entire presidency opposed him on virtually everything. Yet he was able to keep his promises to Israelis while being unable to even keep his signature promise of a border wall for the US. The deportation of illegals seems to have been completely forgotten as well.

    • 回复: @Harold Smith
  41. geokat62 说:
    @Anonymous

    The rest of the story, like the nonsense that Congress and DJT are voluntarily protecting Israel, is eyewash for fools when International Jewry owns them all like the trained seals who perform in the Central Park Zoo.

    我喜欢。

    • 回复: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Anonymous
  42. sally 说:
    @Yukon Jack

    Trump did not sell Anyone down any river.. The United States of America since 1788, has been governed by one of the 256 nation state franchise owners. The global powers (bankers, oil men and arms makers) have divided the 8 billion humans that occupy the entire earth into 256 management controllable cells (armed and dangerous nation states?) and the global franchising firm has assigned to each nation state (cell) one or more corrupt franchise owners. The franchise owners (cell owners) have each devised a method suited to control the masses that are governed by the owner’s nation state franchise.. once a nation state owner is appointed, the new nation state franchise owner assembles founding documents and uses those documents for its authority to own everyone within his or her franchise area.

    Look around the globe.. .. its the nation state system that is cause humanity so much problem.

    Humanity will never be able to improve its lot, unless it first defines a set of rules that it can independently enforce against all governments everywhere. Without enforcement authority rules are useless. Without independence all rules are compromised. What is it the governed want from those they appoint to govern?

    Certainly the governed don’t want the governors to operate in secret? The governed don’t won’t laws passed unless the majority know about them, have a chance to discuss them, have decided they are a needed benefit to the governed, and the governed have engaged in a democratic vote with majority outcome to approve of the law or decision of government. The governed don’t want to be taxed to serve an interest foreign to the purpose of the governed, so the activities of the nation state war, banking, etc.should be confined only to the purpose the governed have endorsed by a democratic vote following a national debate in sufficient depth to inform all. The governed don’t want monopoly powers given to private individuals or corporations <= According to a major research agency a few days ago, the balance sheets of the major markets have only assets made of hot thin air. The balance sheets of these powerful financial corporations are 90% non real, that is they are intangible assets. consider that in 1955, corporation Physical assets were 86% and to day you cannot pick up or touch a but 10% of the assets these monster corporations say they own. 14% physical asset in 1955 is now 90 % intangible (not touchable) asset in 2020..

    The problem with private ownership of intangible assets is that all of these hot thin air assets are generated by rule of law..none of them exist in nature. Patents, copyrights and trademarks represent private ownership of ideas, writings, words..and methods that your tax money paid to be developed; whereas if there were no patent, no copyright and privatization of public domain assets were unlawful, private persons or corporations could not use their ownership of the to rape your pocket books and to keep you from starting your own business and competing with them. the benefits of discovery by one man, and the benefits of invention by one man, would belong to everyone.

    . If the laws of patents, copyrights and trademarks were removed from the books, large corporations like Microsoft, and Google would be just one more competitor in the world trying to make a living. Hundreds of thousands of small corporations would spring-up providing equivalent and better services than these two giants provide for prices priced at competitive price, instead of priced based on the power of the monopoly that blocks competition. The Oligarchs (USA Nation State Franchise Owners are using the rule of law to get rich at the expense of improvising all of governed America.

    Trumps just a hired hand..

    • 回复: @Whitewolf
  43. Talha 说:
    @lavoisier

    And if this is truly the case, then there is not much that can be done realistically without a major sea-shift in the attitudes of normal Americans. Which way will it go?

    I don’t know how confident I am. I have some young cousins that are DNC delegates. They did mention that there has been a noticeable shift among young Democrats away from this kind of open and uncontested support. However, they mentioned that the Zionist influence is so strong among the elite crew that runs things, that they successfully crush any policy declarations or shifts from the status quo.

    Sad situation, but it took a while to get here – will take a while to get out.

    和平:

  44. @sethster

    Weinstein, Epstein, Maxwell, Maddof, … –cking geniuses. I thought your principal asset was “God’s chosen people”. Now I see it’s your penetrating mind.

    • 哈哈: Ralph B. Seymour
  45. Talha 说:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Israeli flag on top…(shaking my head).

    和平:

  46. anon[143]• 免责声明 说:

    It is time to be more honest. A foreign war that the US loses may be the only way out of the political, moral and social impasse that currently afflicts the US. The forces that control the US government need to be removed and that seems increasingly unlikely to arise from simply domestic opposition.

    It took World War II to remove Adolf Hitler from power in Germany. Why should anyone expect anything less to change the government of the United States? The US wants a war with Russia and China. Perhaps it is best that it be granted one? Let’s see some articles on this proposition.

  47. Trinity 说:
    @sethster

    Your comment is exhibit A for how mental illness is an inherit trait in a LARGE PORTION of the “Jewish” population. Frankly, I still don’t know if the Khazar theory should be debunked because nearly all Ashkenazi Jews don’t look like Semites at all.

    Ahem, my guess is you are lacking in the physical department, more than likely what I call a “shriv” built along the lines of Simon and Garfunkel or Woody Allen, you probably have the mental makeup and sexual tastes of Woody Allen as well. Of course there are some Jews who debunk the effeminate male stereotype but they are often mixed with Gentile blood. Two that come to mind are Lyle Alzado and boxer Mike Rossman. Both guys had Italian fathers, Rossman fought under his mother’s maiden name. Oops, forgot about baseball, Hank Greenberg, and Sandy Koufax. I guess there are some noteworthy Jew athletes but they are not the norm, Mark Spitz, Barney Ross, Benny Leonard, Ike Berger, etc., and NO, Max Baer WAS NOT A JEW. IF Baer had any trace of Jew blood it wasn’t much. Legendary trainer, Ray Arcel, a Jew himself, once remarked that he saw Maxie in the shower and no he “ain’t” Jewish. Peter gazing aside, might be a Jewish trait, who knows, Arcel would go on and help train fighters like the greats, Roberto Duran, Ezzard Charles, Freddie Steele, ( one of the most underrated fighters of all time in my book), Tony Zale and the aforementioned Barney Ross. Back to Max Baer, Baer was allegedly mixed with some Jewish blood, but he was also German, and his mother was Scotts-Irish. So in reality Max Baer was only slightly more Jewish than Lizzie Warren is an Injun. The Star Of David was nothing more than a promo to grab interest and increase ticket sales when ethnic boxing rivalries were big in boxing.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  48. @Talha

    The odd thing is how so many Jews still support immigration despite the fact that a lot of the immigrants are (from the Jewish/Zionist perspective) at best indifferent to Israel and at worse outright hostile and want it gone.

    Or perhaps they realise democracy is a sham and the Jewish elite have got their backs? Hence their plans to mongrelise Europeans nations don’t really conflict with their Zionist ambitions.

    One thing is for sure, when things start to get hairy in the West, all Jews will have a nice First World ethnocracy to move to.

    • 回复: @Talha
  49. anon[108]• 免责声明 说:

    Trump’s greatest contribution to the US/World might be exposing the naked ambition and evilness of the Ziocons. Before Trump, Ziocons lurked in the background as puppet masters, with their many plans obscured behind “diplomacy” and propaganda like “freedom” and “human rights”, now thanks to Trump they are showing their true colors. Trump has managed to expose to the whole world including all our allies who is really running America and the extent they will go to destroy their perceived “enemies” to achieve world domination — the end justifies the means. It is making our allies esp. Europe think twice about their alliance with JU.S.A.

  50. @Whitewolf

    “The democrats, some republicans and the msm have for Trump’s entire presidency opposed him on virtually everything.”

    That’s incorrect. They are actually in agreement on just about everything of any real “importance” to the agenda. They pretend to disagree about some things, yes, but that’s mostly just political theater to fool the benighted masses.

  51. Trump said “I like being energy independent, don’t you? I’m sure that most of you noticed when you go to fill up your tank in your car, oftentimes it’s below two dollars…”

    But energy “independence” has got little to do with price at the pump. The marginal barrel sets the price. If the world price for crude goes to \$100/barrel, West Texas Intermediate is going to the same level and gasoline will rise to \$4.00.

    Oil is at \$40/barrel because the Gulf producers and Saudi Arabia want to insure a long term market for their one export product while making a lot of high cost production unsustainable and alternate energy sources less attractive.

  52. @anon

    It took World War II to remove Adolf Hitler from power in Germany. Why should anyone expect anything less to change the government of the United States?

    Because you appear to believe it was a good thing to “remove Adolf Hitler from power,” you signal that you do not have a clue how zionists took control of USA.

    Hitler was the opposition to zionist ambitions.
    再读一遍: Hitler led the opposition to a zionist take-over, the very thing that is coming to a peak in the USA and elsewhere, this very day.

    NSDAP witnessed what happened and was happening in Russia; NSDAP had back-row seats to the Jewish-zionist dominance at Versailles, where the conditions for WWII were established and where Balfour was affirmed.

    Zionists conned “white” American Christians to destroy their own brethren.

    It is not a jest that the zionist theme song is “Onward Christian Soldiers” —

    After Leni Riefenstahl’s 意志的胜利 was screened, US military propagandists felt the need to come up with a rebuttal, but they knew they could not match Riefenstahl’s skill.

    The best US propagandists could offer was the 我们为何而战 series, ostensibly produced by Frank Capra.
    The Nazis Strike, the second film of that seven-part series, is laced with New Testament references and concludes with a rousing rendition of “Onward Christian Soldiers”.

    I wrote that “Why We Fight” was 表面上 produced by Capra because at least in the case of The Nazis Strike, with its Christian references, it was written by Communist Jews Philip and Julius Epstein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nazis_Strike and co-directed by Anatole Litvak, a Lithuanian Jew who had earlier directed the enormously successful 1939 propaganda film, Confessions of a Nazi Spy.

    It does not take a great deal of effort to scrape away the dishonest narrative veneer of the history of the world wars, but it does require enduring what is popularly termed profound 认知失调 — the effort 需求 the willingness to re-format the cognitive maps with which our culture and especially its visual field has been bombarded for over three generations.

    • 回复: @Sparkon
  53. Desert Fox 说:

    Zionists have controlled America since 1913 when they fastened their privately owned FED and IRS on the people and then came the wars and debt all for the benefit of the zionist banking cabal and with this came the slavery of the American people.

    Zionist control was on display with the 911 Israeli and zionist traitors attack on the WTC and every thinking American knows it, including congress aka the lower house of the knesset, but no one has the guts to say it or do anything about it, this is control in spades.

    Zionists are also behind the covid-19 scam and psyop, which is a plan to destroy the world and they have rolled it out in one fell swoop via their control the countries of the world via their central banks, only the zionists have the power to do this and they are using this scam to destroy the world.

    犹太复国主义者是国家和人类的破坏者,这是他们的工作,这是他们的DNA。

  54. Curmudgeon 说:
    @Malla

    He was going to speak to the British people about the great betrayal… But before he could do so he met with an “accident” while riding his motorcycle.

    It was more than that. Laurence and other WWI vets were opposed to the warmongering of Churchill and his crowd.
    https://www.criminalelement.com/the-murder-of-lawrence-of-arabia-tony-hays/

    • 谢谢: Malla
  55. Curmudgeon 说:

    The United States invaded Afghanistan, did not capture or kill Osama bin Laden due to its own incompetence,

    Just why would they capture or kill Osama bin Forgotten? The FBI stated that he wasn’t on their most wanted list, because there was no proof he was involved in 9/11. No, it wasn’t incompetence, it was the plan. the Al Qaeda boogie man Osama was much more valuable alive, even though he died in 2001.
    https://newspunch.com/evidence-shows-osama-bin-laden-actually-died-in-2001/

    • 回复: @Notsofast
  56. AaronB 说:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Lol, the Israeli pilot looks more “Aryan” than the German.

  57. 美国公开承认自己是以色列的保护者,一直是这里许多人的公开秘密。

    更糟糕的是,我们的“民主”即将举行选举,我们没有机会改变美国的恶劣外交政策。 拜登比特朗普更糟,更腐败,是一个骗子,会把美国卷入新的战争以谋取利益。 美国有一个反对改变其向战争进军的体制障碍。

  58. karel 说:
    @lavoisier

    You must have been misinformed if you think that ”Germany sold Israel submarines”. Not really as you can find out from the link bellow. The first two submarines were donated and the third was ”hawkered” for about half the production cost.

    https://rotefahne.eu/2011/01/brd-1108-mio-steuergelder-fuer-israelische-u-boote/

    • 回复: @lavoisier
  59. @anon

    It is time to be more honest. A foreign war that the US loses may be the only way out of the political, moral and social impasse that currently afflicts the US.

    Yep. My present view is that the evil empire will only end when it is defeated in a war, but I presume the empire will resort to nukes at some point during its defeat and will bring total destruction upon itself accordingly.

    I used to hold out hope that some state would secede or at least try to secede from the U.S. but I now realize that state governments in the U.S. are so corrupt that such a thing would never happen.

    The only other possibility – and it is very remote – is that some cataclysmic natural disaster will happen before the empire starts WW3, e.g. the “big one” at Yellowstone, which will do so much damage as to make it impossible for the evil empire to continue it’s pursuit of world domination and control.

    BTW on a positive note, it looks like there is now some resistance from the private sector against the evil orange clown’s self-destructive economic war against China:
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-tariffs/some-3500-u-s-companies-sue-over-trump-imposed-chinese-tariffs-idUSKCN26G31G

  60. Talha 说:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    I think there are a couple of forces at work here. Jewish people tend to be more liberal than any other group, and that includes the immigration issue. Now that is at tension with some other things that they want (support for Israel), but it seems that the elite-level Zionists feel very confident at this point that they have things under control…and all signs point to this being true. I don’t think Zionists have been at a better position in their history vis-a-vis the US (and even other Western countries). You just pointed to a German official that stated that Germany exists for Israel and I just pointed out that they did their first air force drills with Germany.

    On the Democratic side, they know they can have a few loudmouths like AOC and Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, etc. to give the impression dissent is allowed. But if it gets too far, they can rein it in (as they have before).

    On the Republican side, they are fully ensconced…hell, the president’s daughter converted and married into a huge Zionist family.

    The tension between the two sides on immigration is manageable; all they have to do is run out the clock on Muslim immigration (which plenty of Americans agree they don’t want). Immigrants from India (especially with the rise of Hindutva – those guys love Israel) and other places will play along just fine; Latinos don’t particularly care all that much, neither do East Asians.

    And now with friends like UAE and other wealthy Gulf Arab states, they will get even more propaganda efforts for their team. Good thing is that two little countries aren’t really representative of a shift in the Muslim world, since the other major countries rejected normalization outright. Even Kuwait, which is basically a massive forward operating base for the West declined any normalization.

    I do think it is game over for quite a while in the West regarding opposition to Israel. Israel may collapse or have to come to the table or something due to some game changer in the Middle East, but I don’t see it happening due to lack of support from the West anytime soon.

    和平:

    Note: This is a good analysis of various views:
    https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/265898/american-jews-politics-israel.aspx

    • 回复: @Trinity
  61. AaronB 说:

    I don’t really see why this is any different than the US protecting Germany and Europe against the Soviets or South Korea against the North, or fighting a war in Vietnam to keep it non communist, or protecting Taiwan and the Philippines against China.

    In those cases, America actually stations thousands of troops in those countries that are committed to go to war for them and in many of those cases hundreds of thousands of American soldiers have died to defend them. Moreover, America gave Germany and Japan massive loans and favorable trade terms to help rebuild their countries after the war, often to the disadvantage of America.

    America stations no troops in Israel and no American soldier has died in Israel’s wars. The only war that one can make an (poor) argument was at least partly for Israeli interests was the Second Iraq War. Very few American soldiers died in that war.

    Even if that war was entirely for Israel, the losses of both men and money was so much less than what America lost defending countries in Europe and Asia.

    America traditionally defends Western-aligned democracies with liberal values against various despotisms everywhere in the world. If the US did not protect Israel it would be a strange anomaly, a deviation from its behavior everywhere else in the world.

    The only difference is that America is getting it on the cheap when it comes to Israel.

    Moreover, Israel is an innovative tech hub which feeds into the American tech advantage and provides weapons testing and intelligence to the US. Israel also acts as a projector of US power in the region – Syria halted its plans to invade Jordan in the 70s when Israel mobilized its forces to prevent it.

    Finally, the Jewish community in America probably makes the largest contribution to American wealth and power through taxes and through its broad and diverse philanthropic activities in funding hospitals, charities, and schools, as well as providing a lot of the manpower for its top businesses.

    None of that could be said for sat, Vietnam, or the Philippines.

    All that being said, Trump was just trying to please his Jewish donors with that remark. Any policy wonk could tell you that even if America is energy independent, Europe and the rest of the world is not. So to keep the global economy running smoothly, America has a national interest in maintaining peace and stability in the Middle East and preventing hostile actors from taking charge. If China for instance was the guarantor of peace in the Middle East, for instance, very soon Europe would find itself being forced to turn against America.

    Supporting Israel is not only a part of America’s larger commitment to supporting democracies around the world, but also a part of its power projection in the Middle East.

  62. @Oracle

    No, you are wrong. The problem with the ‘industriousness’ is that it is characterized by the principle of profit before all, no matter how immoral the activity. People who do that don’t care about a civilized society and should not be able to reap the benefits of one.

    Also high IQ isn’t exemplified by trickery, lying, subverting and eroding the morals of the host society.

    They keep posting the same garbage that has been debunked here multiple times just to derail any discussion of their parasitic tendencies.

    这是 楚兹帕.

  63. Trinity 说:
    @Talha

    “jewish people tend to be more liberal than any other group.”

    ROTFLMMFWAO on that one.

    First off, you can probably count the number of REAL liberals in the Jewish community all over the globe, whether it be Jew York City, Tel Aviv, or Berlin on one hand with the thumb still left. Hell, there aren’t many REAL liberals around anywhere anymore. The Whites that profess to be “liberal” or the self hating white trash that are identified by clueless “normies” as “liberal” are the antithesis of liberal, they are the most intolerant and close minded people around. And dig it, THERE ARE NO BLACK LIBERALS AT ALL.

    I would have to say I am closer to a REAL liberal than anyone I personally know and I damn sure am more liberal than any Jew, Black, or other nonwhite or the white traitor trash that HIJACKED the term “liberal.” A REAL liberal stands for the truth and condemns racism and hypocrisy like that which is on display in Israel on a daily basis and that which is on display in America 24/7/365. America does indeed have a race problem, and the problem is Jewish Privilege, Jewish racism, Jewish power and influence, Black racism, Black Privilege, Black on White violence, a corrupt and anti-White judicial system, etc. Jews and Blacks are the least liberal people on the planet, they only care for their own, they are both racist to the core, and fairness, integrity, honesty, and other positive traits largely escape the bulk of the Black race and the people who claim to be Jews.

  64. 特朗普确认美国是以色列的“保护者”

    very true Dr. Giraldi, but

    is not America now Israel’s Protectorate?

    Ala British Colonial Era Protectorates?

  65. Sparkon 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    You写道:

    Hitler was the opposition to zionist ambitions.
    再读一遍: Hitler led the opposition to a zionist take-over

    Yes, and could the Zionists have had any better man in charge of Germany than the Austrian with the little mustache, whose disastrous decisions in WWII led Germany to ruin, and helped the Zionists achieve their ultimate triumph?

    Edwin Black’s 转让协议 documents cooperation between the Third Reich and Zionists to transfer European Jews and their assets to Palestine during WWII.

    Although Black is best known for books such as IBM 与大屠杀与弱者的战争, his first bestseller was 转让协议, in 1984, chronicling the minute-by-minute dealings of Zionists and Nazis in 1933 that brought some 60,000 Jews and the equivalent of \$1.7 billion dollars to under-developed Palestine. The controversial agreement rescued European Jews and assets, and helped create the Jewish State, but was the subject of a firestorm of outrage both during the 1930s and then again when Black’s book was first published in 1984.

    Author Holds Historic Event on The Transfer Agreement

    The German Army sent Hitler to infiltrate the DAP. He was given money to buy beer and sausages at DAP meetings to loosen up the attendees before he stepped up and launched into one of his impassioned rants. Hitler’s potential as a demagogue was recognized, and he was exposed to occult Aryan material from the Thule Society, which itself was a spin-off of the 日耳曼诺登 (“Order of Teutons”), a secret society founded in 1911, and the real foundation of the DAP.

    I strongly suspect that Adolf Hitler was a dupe of murky interests, including the British Crown, and the Jews, if not a willing tool of both.

    Whatever the case, Germany needed a much better man than Adolf Hitler at the helm to navigate the perilous ’30s, let alone oppose and defeat both the Bolsheviks and the Zionists. His henchmen were no better, with not a tall, handsome, blonde Aryan specimen among them. Truth be told, most of the Zionist and Bolshevik leaders were equally ugly. It’s a tough to digest that this dismal collection of lowlifes could lead humanity to such a horrifying disaster, but it happened, and we’re still paying the bills for it.

    • 不同意: SolontoCroesus
    • 巨魔: Trinity
    • 回复: @geokat62
    , @SolontoCroesus
  66. @karel

    Does it get any worse?

    Donating submarines to people who hate your guts and would like nothing more than to incinerate every last one of you.

    恶心。

    • 同意: Trinity, Kolya Krassotkin
    • 回复: @AaronB
  67. Whitewolf 说:
    @sally

    . If the laws of patents, copyrights and trademarks were removed from the books, large corporations like Microsoft, and Google would be just one more competitor in the world trying to make a living. Hundreds of thousands of small corporations would spring-up providing equivalent and better services than these two giants provide for prices priced at competitive price, instead of priced based on the power of the monopoly that blocks competition.

    Intellectual property is a real thing even if it exists in virtual space. Do you really think thousands of programmers are going to slave away writing software that anyone can copy and sell for a small fraction of what it cost in wages to produce? Research and development costs companies many millions in wages and equipment and they should get a return on their money if successful. That’s impossible without some legal protections to stop others freeloading off their work.

    If you take away IP protection laws there’ll be no hundreds of small corporations producing equivalent for less because there’ll be no profit in it. Why spend time and money developing new software or technology when it’s easier to just copy and sell other people’s work?

    • 回复: @Derer
  68. Mark James 说:

    So how long into this evening’s event will it take Israel to be brought up? Even though this is not supposed to be a ‘foreign policy’ topic exchange. I think there are enough good domestic subjects out there but I’d say no longer than 20 min’s. Probably from Trump demanding a Nobel.

  69. geokat62 说:
    @AaronB

    The only difference is that America is getting it on the cheap when it comes to Israel.

    Why pay retail, goy?

    Moreover, Israel is an innovative tech hub which 馈入 the American tech advantage…

    Excellent choice of words, Aaron. You must, however, be more careful in preparing your carefully crafted propaganda pieces next time or you’ll face a pay cut from the MFA.

    Israel also acts as a projector of US power in the region – Syria halted its plans to invade Jordan in the 70s when Israel mobilized its forces to prevent it.

    Yes, of course. Could you imagine the threat a Syrian invasion of Jordan would represent to the good people of Kansas? Thanks to Israel, these people can sleep comfortably at night.

    Finally, the Jewish community in America probably makes the largest contribution to American wealth and power through taxes and through its broad and diverse philanthropic activities in funding hospitals, charities, and schools, as well as providing a lot of the manpower for its top businesses.

    You’re right. Americans should count their blessings. Their future never looked brighter. Thanks to the efforts of Jewish Supremacist Organizations, Hart-Celler was passed in 1965 and America is definitely benefiting from having a more diverse population. Why, just look at most major American cities and you can see the celebrants of Diversity expressing their joy by setting fires and looting major department stores.

    All that being said, Trump was just trying to please his Jewish donors with that remark… America has a national interest in maintaining peace and stability in the Middle East and preventing hostile actors from taking charge.

    Hasbara translation: “Don’t get any ideas, goy. You’re stuck in the ME quagmire for good.”

    Supporting Israel is not only a part of America’s larger commitment to supporting democracies around the world, but also a part of its power projection in the Middle East.

    Hasbara translation: “You’re lucky we’re extracting only \$38 billion as tribute, goy. With all the benefits you’re deriving from the Special Relationship, it should easily be double or triple that amount!”

    • 回复: @silviosilver
    , @AaronB
  70. AaronB 说:
    @lavoisier

    大声笑,以色列人实际上喜欢德国人,并且经常在那里度假。 它是他们最喜欢度假的国家之一。

    Not everyone is caught up in ancient hatreds like your self. Some people move on. Gone are the days when American Jews wouldn’t buy German cars.

    我上一次于2016年在印度北部时,以色列人和德国人比其他任何人都更喜欢一起出去玩。 我待在宾馆里的那个小组几乎是所有以色列人和德国人,只有我自己和一个英国人。 我们将在宾馆屋顶上举行盛大的晚宴,在那里我们将购买新鲜的当地食材并烹制一顿美餐(这是在山上)。

    除了最近的飞行员联合训练,以色列伞兵最近也在德国进行了训练。 很高兴看到以色列伞兵在德国土地上唱着 Hatikva,德国人恭敬地聆听。

    时代变了。

    • 回复: @silviosilver
    , @Malla
  71. geokat62 说:
    @Sparkon

    … let alone oppose and defeat both the Bolsheviks and the Zionists.

    … slightly redundant, no? Aren’t they two sides of the same shekel?

  72. @Sparkon

    回覆:

    Hitler . . . was exposed to occult Aryan material from the Thule Society, which itself was a spin-off of the Germanenorden (“Order of Teutons”), a secret society founded in 1911, and the real foundation of the DAP.

    AH may have been exposed to Thule Society, but Carolyn Yeager has debunked the claim that he was part of – or heavily influenced- by Thule – occultism.
    https://carolynyeager.net/saturday-afternoon-roots-myth-national-socialisms-occult-roots

    回覆:

    ” [Hitler’s] disastrous decisions in WWII led Germany to ruin, and helped the Zionists achieve their ultimate triumph?”

    Which “disastrous decisions?” Be specific.

    Edwin Black quotes one of Rabbi Stephen Wise’s entries in his Autobiography, that [by or on Feb. 14, 1933] “Louis Brandeis directed that all German Jews leave Germany . . . all 587,000 German Jews must leave . . .”
    Black explains the import of that conversation between Wise and Brandeis, that took place weeks before Hitler had been affirmed in power: Black wrote that the zionist project in Palestine was threatened with bankruptcy; only the wealth and skills of German Jews could save it.

    But German Jews were comfortable & prosperous in Germany; they had to be terrorized into leaving for an undeveloped outpost in the desert: that was Wise’s job.

    Wise — and his son — sprang into action: by May, 1933 James Waterman Wise published Sw字:纳粹恐怖, the opening lines of which blare that “the swastika symbolized hatred of Jews.”. James W. Wise’s hate-filled but purposeful screed has ever after tainted a symbol broadly used by Christians, Hindus and other cultures for millennia.

    The specific number — “587,000 German Jews” is also highly significant: most historians are aware that Jewish aid societies had been transiting Jews from Poland and Russia throughout WWI and the Weimar period into the safety of Germany, such that by 1933, as many as 1 million Eastern European Jews dwelt in German. The Jewish Telegraphic Agency reported that on May 26, 1933, German ambassador to US
    http://www.jta.org/1933/05/26/archive/nazi-jewish-policies-political-not-religious-dr-luther-asserts

    asserted that [NSDAP] limitation of Jewish influence in Germany was being conducted with the greatest possible consideration toward the old native Jewish families who, he said; had proven themselves good Germans and indicated that it was directed against the Eastern European Jews who had overflooded the country since the War.

    Notice that the goals of NSDAP and of Brandeis’s directive are at cross-purposes: Brandeis wanted GERMAN Jews to leave Germany; according to Hans Luther, NSDAP geared its “antisemitic policies” toward the “Eastern European Jews who had overflooded the country” and not at “the old native Jewish families who had proved themselves good Germans.”

    Was it Hitler or was it the Jewish architect Erich Mendelsohn who “decided” to help USAF devise and rehearse methods of creating firestorms that were intended to, and did, incinerate German civilians’ housing, plans that were so carefully detailed that they targeted “infants in their cribs?”

    http://lcweb2.loc.gov/master/pnp/habshaer/ut/ut0500/ut0568/data/ut0568data.pdf

    Was it Hitler or was it Arthur Harris who planned and carried out the terror bombing of German cities, deliberately targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure?

    • 回复: @Sparkon
  73. @sethster

    Jews are the scapegoats for all the deficiencies of low-IQ whites just as whites are the scapegoats for all the deficiencies of low-IQ non-whites.

    Even if we grant this (frankly daft) ‘scapegoat’ theory, there is still one mammoth difference: ‘anti-semites’ want to 分开 from Jews, whereas non-whites want to separate from whites.

    Geddit?

    • 同意: PolarBear
  74. @AaronB

    Not everyone is caught up in ancient hatreds like your self. Some people move on.

    Typical Jewish reality-inversion. It must come as naturally breathing to the Aaron B’s of the world.

    The idea that Jews are known for letting bygones be bygones while the rest of world smolders in ancient hatreds has me chuckling as I’m typing this.

    Then again, I suppose when you’ve realized that the average gentile is just a natural born sucker, you’d be a fool not to feed him all the bullshit you can muster.

    And actually, on the topic of Germans, I recall reading an Israeli news report in which some Jewish sociology (or similar) professor had rebuked some Israeli students for attending class in military uniforms because this disturbed the Arab students. Apparently the prof was of German Jewish extraction, and one of the commenters on the article seized on this point with a “whaddya expect from Germans?” sort of response. See, you don’t even have to be German, you just have to have some association with Germany to be afflicted with inherent Teutonic evil. But I guess that was just my lying eyes or something, because according to Aaron B, Jews are the champion forgive-and-forgetters.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  75. Dr. Charles Fhandrich [又名“ C. Fhandrich博士”] 说:

    Uh, as the corrupt French Captain Renault in the Hollywood movie Casablanca complained when Nazi Major Strasser put pressure on him to close down Rick’s dinner club, “I’m SHOCKED, SCHOCKED to find gambling going on in here” At that moment, a man gives money to the Captain and says, “Here are your winnings sir”…. That’s the kind of relationship the U.S. has with Israel…LOL After reading this headline, most people who even follow politics a little, did NOT fall of their chairs in shock.. .

  76. @geokat62

    Excellent choice of words, Aaron. You must, however, be more careful in preparing your carefully crafted propaganda pieces next time or you’ll face a pay cut from the MFA.

    On the other hand, despite the weakness of Aaron’s arguments (weak, but not altogether moronic), that he feels forced to justify why any gentile should give a shit about Israel (or about Jews in general) is step in the right direction. It’s surely an improvement on the absurd idea that people (Americans, above all) are somehow 义不容辞 to defend Israel or Jews, no matter what.

  77. anon[332]• 免责声明 说:

    kudos for that photo, in which Trump shows you who sheep-dipped the CIA agent charged with getting Julian Assange.

    https://thegrayzone.com/2020/09/29/spanish-judge-sheldon-adelson-assange-spying/

    The USA is Israel’s protector, right. And Israel is CIA’s protector. Who else could destroy the guy who showed you CIA’s illegal domestic surveillance infrastructure in Vault 7 and Vault 8 (give it up, you’re busted, the public immediately found CIA’s grubby cyber fingerprints on the boxes of CIA’s American enemies.)

    Adelson’s Jew disguise is about as convincing as James Bond’s hairy Jap disguise in Doctor No (of course Adelson’s an agent: he not only handled the top-priority Assange ratfuck, he blackmails targets from the #1 CIA enemy nation, China with gambling recordings from Macau.)

  78. AaronB 说:
    @geokat62

    抢劫商店和放火的人主要是美国本土出生的白人和一些美国本土出生的黑人。 很难将其归纳为多样性。

    至少在财政上,犹太人对美国慈善事业的贡献是巨大的,犹太人对这个国家的财富、权力和国际地位、技术和创新的贡献也是巨大的。 所有这些都对普通美国公民有所帮助。

    That can’t be denied. As one factor for American support for Israel, it makes sense to me. I don’t find it outrageous that the good people of America want to help out the mother country of a community that has done so much to help make them rich or powerful.

    I don’t think it is the major factor for said assistance, but it shouldn’t be totally discounted.

    我还想对比一下其他国家,例如越南或菲律宾,这些国家的人民并未为美国的繁荣做出巨大贡献,而实际上如何获得更多的美国援助。 部队驻扎在那里,已经死亡。 为他们打了苦战。

    38亿美元是国际援助中的四舍五入误差。 相比之下,美国花费在驻扎在韩国或德国的军队上的数十亿美元,在那里的战争中丧生的数十万士兵,以及从慷慨的贸易条件中获得的收入损失是巨大的。

    And as you know, the 3 billion per year Israel gets from America has to mostly be spent on American military equipment, so it is very much a subsidy to the American military industry. Countries generally directly subsidise key industries, but America is cleverly killing two birds with one stop. It’s could just give the money to the military industry like China or Europe would, but this also helps an ally and furthers foreign policy objectives. Smart.

    是的当然。 你能想象叙利亚入侵约旦会给堪萨斯州的好人带来什么威胁吗? 多亏了以色列,这些人晚上可以睡得很舒服

    The average citizen probably doesn’t think very deeply about foreign policy, and thank God he doesn’t have to.

    但一个由美国保证的中东稳定使全球经济保持运转,这直接造福于堪萨斯州的好人。

    Crazy Muslim rulers generally start off by invading one of their neighbors. Invade Jordan, and what’s next. We can’t know if the Syrian invasion of Jordan was the prelude to grander ambitions. But we did find out that America has a reliable and credible force projector in the region.

    • 哈哈: Trinity
    • 回复: @ChuckOrloski
    , @L.K
  79. @JWalters

    Your exaggeration leads to serious inaccuracy. He nay be able to contribute to impoverishing most Americans with the cost of unnecessary wars and subsidies but there are about five other major lobbies which share ownership of Congress, in most cases also impovrrishing all but about 10 per cent.

  80. for a long time, i was confusing Mr. Giraldi w/Gordon Duff. the 2 couldn’t be any more different. Mr Giraldi is a truth teller & OG Dissident. i appreciate your courage and work Mr Giraldi.

  81. American Citizen 2.0 说:

    One thing I read once about Nuclear Weapons that has always stuck with me, and this was years and years ago, is the question: who keeps the Nuclear Weapons arsenal of the United States once we have collapsed as a functioning society? Luckily, there are so many layers of security involved in actually using a nuclear weapon from the US arsenal that we would have to willingly hand over control of our systems to another country for them to be able to make any use of it.

    So, what are we really supposed to do now? The Israelis seem to have decided that this is the point where the US should be destroyed via a racially motivated communist revolution and so all of their minions in the media and corporate life are actively working to create the conditions for a full on civil war here. Why? I think it’s because it is a lot easier and cheaper to just inherit the US nuclear arsenal and most of our military hardware (e.g. aircraft carriers and stealth bombers) after the collapse of the US government. Obviously, it’s all going to go straight to Israel.

    Why have our Republican leaders worked with globalist factions to destroy the viability of the United States as a nation? I think they realized that they can keep billions of dollars (in wealth, not necessarily US money) if they go along with selling out the country. There doesn’t seem to be anything politically we can do about it honestly. Trump has been fun in a lot of ways but the Democrats have all but threatened to destroy America as we know it in pursuit of some weird race utopia and the Republicans have all but capitulated.

    I am no longer opposed to the collapse of the United States government but I wish that a) as it collapses some of the wealth that is being transferred to Israel and Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates etc would be divvied out to the rest of us too so that we too can escape and b) it would happen faster rather than drawing out this whole national impoverishment and humiliation.

    We have no where else to go and we are being backed into an obviously genocidal corner by Israel and Africans under the banner of communism. At best we will end up like Brazil or Mexico or South Africa. Alternatively we could just descend into Somalia-style warlord driven conflict while the rest of the world mines our resources and sucks the last bit of money from whatever remains of the country we used to have.

    But we need to stop passively sitting around watching these elites re-engineer civilization for their benefit exclusively. I don’t know how we can stop it since it’s all always just something on TV or on the Internet. We have no access to power and no franchise. We are not a part of the clique that is deciding the fate of the world. That’s obvious. We are passive spectators who are being menaced, threatened, and goaded into violence by the media and our political elites. But why?

  82. @Talha

    But is there not an interesting question raised, if, as appears to be the case, it was not “they” but Trump who “announced their posituon to the world”. Why did he do it? Was it calculated and deliberate or was it just Trump’s instinct to say something striking?

    • 回复: @Talha
  83. Anonymous[150]• 免责声明 说:
    @Trinity

    The mere fact he felt compelled to out his own demons and embarrassingly display his own paranoid fear of being taken out back and shot is fairly conclusive he’s as you imagine him to be, a Woody Allen who’s paranoia is marked by insanely unwarranted grandiosity. He’s purging his angst in which the Jewish id pops out from the depths in the form of their unique cruelty molded by cowardice, such as the horrors inflicted on innocent victims in the abattoirs of the Kiev Cheka. This is one sick man who writes like a scribbler in the mad house.

    • 回复: @Trinity
  84. Derer 说:
    @AaronB

    “or fighting a war in Vietnam to keep it non communist,”

    This assertion on little Vietnam contradicts the Nixon/Kissinger Chinese “kiss” that enhanced the communists in China with grave consequences.

    “Moreover, America gave Germany and Japan massive loans and favorable trade terms to help rebuild their countries after the war, often to the disadvantage of America.”

    Not true! Familiarized yourself with the post war measures against Germany and the Marshal plan dispersal. Germany, as a most destroyed country, was only minor benefactor, UK for hiding in bunkers was the major benefactor.

    “If the US did not protect Israel it would be a strange anomaly”

    What is extremely strange anomaly is the absent protection of aboriginal inhabitants of Palestine. In fact, US supplied arms are used for slaughter of disposed and landless Palestinians.

    “Finally, the Jewish community in America probably makes the largest contribution to American wealth and power”

    Whom that wealth of Jewish community was dishonestly extracted from – Christian experimental group? The created system and Boesky, Milligan, Madoff and others provided the way.

  85. vot tak 说:
    @anon

    Very interesting graphic, thanks. That israel is dark blue is expected, since zionazia determines american un moves. But india is a surprise, given modi & co.

  86. AaronB 说:
    @silviosilver

    Well, I hang out with Jews all the time, and there just isn’t anymore any obsession with modern day Germany. And I was referring more specifically to Israelis, who don’t have negative feelings towards modern Germany at all. Schnitzel is a national dish in Israel.

    Whether or not Jews are more forgiving than other peoples, I do not know any Jew who talks about gentiles the way people on this site talk about Jews. The commenter I was responding to is definitely more trapped in ancient hatred than any Israeli I know.

    I don’t understand your anecdote. The liberal Jewish German prof was the one being sensitive to Arabs, and the writer condemned this as an example of Nazi villainy? That makes no sense.

    The guy might have been alluding to the fact that Germany takes in a lot of Arab refugees, so someone from Germany might be expected to be especially sensitive to Arabs.

    Or simply to the fact that German Jews are known to be the most liberal group in Israel.

    Either way, it wasn’t a slur on Germany, unless the writer was an extreme right winger and was saying Germany produces an excessive amount of liberals. But even that’s not a Nazi slur.

    • 回复: @silviosilver
  87. @AaronB

    The article was on a rightwing site (I forget which) and everyone thought the professor was an anti-zionist bitch. So it was a short step to link her anti-zionism to some inherent “German” opposition to Jewish interests.

    For that comment to have even been made, I have to suspect that anti-German thoughts and feelings had been floating around in that commenter’s head for quite some time.

    It’s like my own kneejerk anti-Azeri comments on Karlin’s original war thread. It didn’t require any thought at all. I’ve always despised Islam, so muzzies starting a war against non-muzzies is automatically going to incur my wrath.

    • 回复: @AaronB
  88. AaronB 说:
    @silviosilver

    It might have been one crazy guy. Its hard to say. But I’ve never heard right wing Jews insult liberal German Jews by references to their German background.

    I’m not saying it couldn’t have happened, it just seems not generally in line with how Jews insult each other.

    Either way, I’m sure there are some Israelis who hate Germans. In fact I’m sure of it, because there is always someone who hates someone. But overall Israelis don’t care anymore.

  89. @Ugetit

    When I was in kindergarten years ago, because I had a German surname, my classmates and older kids beat me up and drew a Nazi emblem on my coat in black crayon. My older cousin in the US military was killed during WWII. I often wonder what happened to those guys who beat me up.

  90. anon[957]• 免责声明 说:

    Jew fragility! Waah! Waah! Waahbaby, Waah!

    https://mondoweiss.net/2020/09/fundamental-disrespect-for-israel-aocs-rabin-reversal-roils-supporters/

    JAP dynast Bari Weiss shakes her scolex in whiny nasal rage. It’s the No-locaust!

  91. Trinity 说:
    @Anonymous

    It could be the result of inbreeding with that one. Definitely one sick puppy for sure.

  92. @AaronB

    I fucking hate those “reliable and credible force projector in the region.”

    • 同意: SolontoCroesus
    • 回复: @lavoisier
  93. Talha 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Hey WoO, it’s been a while – hope you’re well.

    it was not “they” but Trump who “announced their posituon to the world”.

    It is interesting if you use “they” only for Jews. I’m talking more about the elites, specifically Zionist elites – and Trump fits the bill quite well. I’m not sure there has been as pro-Zionist a president as Trump. I don’t think any other president had coins minted comparing him to King Cyrus:
    https://abcnews.go.com/International/israeli-group-sells-special-edition-trump-coin/story?id=55096698

    他为什么要这么做?

    To give it some gravitas. If some lobby group says it, well – that’s just a lobby group. But if the president himself declares it, then that is a statement of policy just as much as if he said at some press conference something like; “Our recent influx of currency in the East Asian markets was to destabilize Indonesia.”

    Trump’s instinct to say something striking?

    I think Trump is a better actor than he has usually let on; his statements are calculated, even when they seem to be off the cuff

    和平:

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  94. @vot tak

    USA: Founded and built by WASPs; Stolen by PARASITES.

    • 回复: @vot tak
  95. ‘…As guarantor of the agreement, Washington now has an obligation to intervene on the behalf of the parties involved…’

    On the bright side, since we no longer honor our agreements in the first place…

    • 哈哈: Talha
  96. @sethster

    ‘…Are you all bark, or are you prepared to bite? Come on, let’s see what you can do! Any of you fucking pricks bark, and we’ll execute every motherfucking last one of you!’

    How’d this work out for the Jews the last time push came to shove?

    • 回复: @sethster
  97. @lavoisier

    ‘Germans are a totally deracinated and brainwashed people.

    Germany sold Israel submarines capable of launching nuclear missiles!

    A more cucked-up people are impossible to find!

    It should be no mystery how Jews have gained such control over the Gentile.

    It was granted to them, willingly.’

    Of course, one could look at this another way…

    Germans represent one tenth of one percent of humanity. They have become this subservient because they feel so bad about killing a third of the world’s Jews.

    So…at this rate, how much of the world will the Jews be able to reduce to the condition of Germany before it all becomes moot?

    After all, we all feel bad about what we did to the American Indians. That really doesn’t do most of the American Indians much good.

    • 回复: @lavoisier
  98. @AaronB

    “America stations no troops in Israel and no American soldier has died in Israel’s wars. ”

    I guess, like moat apologists for the Zionist enterprise, you have chosen to forget the USS Liberty.

    • 同意: Colin Wright
  99. Wally 说:
    @JWalters

    While Zionism existed before, and there were many myths / excuses used by Jews to seize the region, the actual founding of Israel became possible due to the effects of “holocaust” propaganda, fake and impossible as it was / is.

  100. sethster 说:
    @Colin Wright

    Worked out great. They conquered an entire country and got the world’s greatest economy to run security for them for free. And it will work even better next time when we genocide everyone below 130 IQ.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  101. @AaronB

    “Even if that war was entirely for Israel, the losses of both men and money was so much less than what America lost defending countries in Europe and Asia.”

    Exactly. Why would the USA fight a war which cost trillions, killed for 4,000 Americans, wounded thousands more, destroyed Iraq, brought ISIL to power and killed a couple hundred thousand Iraqis entirely for the benefit of a foreign country, israel? It makes absolutely no sense!

    But all those clever israel supporters like Wolfowitz, Perle, Libby, Feith in government and folks like Judith Miller at the NYTs seem to have convinced us of a whole bunch of total lies about Iraq and Saddam, stories which were known to be false even as they were being told.

  102. Notsofast 说:
    @Curmudgeon

    Seymour hersh has said the cia flew him and other fighters out of tora bora and into pakistan. A live bogeyman is worth 20 dead ones.

  103. @AaronB

    “Finally, the Jewish community in America probably makes the largest contribution to American wealth and power through taxes and through its broad and diverse philanthropic activities in funding hospitals, charities, and schools, as well as providing a lot of the manpower for its top business…”

    You mean like the Sacklers, Bernie Madoff, Harvey Weinstein, Epstein, etc.?

  104. lloyd 说: • 您的网站
    @sethster

    I am sorry you went off your head in a characteristic Jewish way at the end. But the beginning paragraphs I generally agree with you. In my public relations job in New Zealand, I can’t help noticing the few white folks working in it appear to be amost all of Jewish descent. I have an atavistic sentiment towards them. Even in Unz review, the witty worth reading for own sake columnists are Jews. Ilan Mercer is hysterical and tiresome but she is a Jewish woman. I can’t think of an exception. There is that Flipino woman but she is a Filipino. Derbyshire is good but quickly becomes a bore on genetics. Since last century, Western politics and culture with its slickness and image focus has suited Jews. Did they create them? Did blacks create jazz?

    • 回复: @sethster
  105. Sparkon 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Hitler’s most disastrous decision was in seeking solutions through direct military action.

    He was an egomaniac. He failed to recognize or appreciate the power of the forces aligned against him, both in terms of their industrial capacity, and also the poisonous propaganda potential of their press.

    During WWII, the Americans, British, and Soviets all had long range medium and heavy bombers, but the Germans failed to field a successful heavy bomber during the war.

    Shortly before the invasion, German engineers were given a guided tour of Soviet industrial complexes and aircraft factories in the Urals from 7 to 16 April, and evidence of extensive production was already underway. Their reports to the OKW went unheeded.

    Lead engineer and military air attaché, Oberst Heinrich Aschenbrenner, sent a stark warning that Soviet production was more sophisticated and advanced than first assumed. Hitler’s reaction was to speed up preparations; “You see how far these people are already. We must begin immediately”. Hermann Göring was told by the experts, from Daimler-Benz, Henschel and Mauser that one aero engine factory in the Moscow region was six times larger than six of Germany’s largest factories put together. Göring was furious with the report, and dismissed it. He believed they had fallen for a Soviet bluff. Intelligence reports regarded as negative by the OKL were usually dismissed.

    [我的粗体]
    Axis and Soviet air operations during Operation Barbarossa — Supporting Industry

    By then, Hitler had allowed the BEF to escape destruction at Dunkirk. It was a huge mistake, but as he was to demonstrate over and over, Hitler was a terrible warlord with a penchant for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

    Hitler decided to seek solutions by going on the warpath, but then allowed a mortal enemy to escape instead of dealing it a smashing defeat that might have knocked that enemy out of the war, leaving no runways for enemy bombers to blast your factories and burn your cities flying from Blighty, nor safe harbor for any Allied expeditionary forces setting out from there to land in France.

    The B-17 dropped more bombs than any other U.S. aircraft in World War II. Of approximately 1.5 million tons of bombs dropped on Nazi Germany and its occupied territories by U.S. aircraft, over 640,000 tons were dropped from B-17s.

    The first prototype of the American Boeing B-17 flew already in 1935.

    It should be noted that the Third Reich was plagued with spies and traitors, probably none worse than Adm. Canaris, who reportedly advised Franco to keep Spain out of the war because Germany would lose, and also that the Wehrmacht was too weak to invade Spain and seize Gibraltar.

    Beyond Dunkirk and Barbarossa, more of AH’s disastrous decisions include declaration of war on the United States, Stalingrad, Kursk, meddling with the Me-262…

    • 回复: @vot tak
  106. Wally 说:
    @AaronB

    说过:
    “Finally, the Jewish community in America probably makes the largest contribution to American wealth and power through taxes and through its broad and diverse philanthropic activities”

    That’s laughable. Some lengthy facts:

    美国犹太人承认“以色列第一” : http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/bluntly-firsters-politics/
    The True Cost of Parasite Israel – Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/
    以色列 38 亿美元的骗局: https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-38-billion-scam/
    Four Presidents Conspired To Give \$100 Billion to Israel – Secret White House Letters Buttress Ongoing US Arms Export Control Act Violations: https://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2018/06/24/four-presidents-conspired-to-give-100-billion-to-israel/
    以巴冲突给美国纳税人带来的成本:3 万亿美元:
    http://www.wrmea.org/2003-june/the-costs-to-american-taxpayers-of-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict-\$3-trillion.html
    犹太团体从国土安全部获得高达97%的赠款:
    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/islamophobia-shmislamophobia-97-of-homeland-security-security-grants-go-to-jewish-orgs/
    以色列在美国政府中有代表,但没有税收。 事实上,犹太复国主义寄生虫每年攫取数十亿纳税人的钱。

    “那个该死的小国家”收到的每一笔美国纳税人的“贷款”都从未得到偿还。 以色列占领大会奇怪地“原谅/原谅”了所有这些巨额债务。

    Two Israeli Companies Bugged The US Telecommunications Grid For The NSA: http://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-bugged-the-us-for-the-nsa-2013-6#ixzz3NxPnnUFg
    以色列学生获得 2,000 美元用于在 Facebook 上进行国家宣传
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-students-get-2000-spread-state-propaganda-facebook
    美国大学校园中亲以色列学生部队的指挥官
    http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page//.premium-1.709014
    以色列科技网站向“实习生”付费,在社交媒体中暗中种植故事
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israel-tech-site-paying-interns-covertly-plant-stories-social-media
    US’s NSA hired secretive contractors with extensive ties to Israeli intelligence to establish 10 to 20 wiretapping rooms at key telecommunication points throughout the country.:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-impact-of-nsa-domestic-spying-2013-6#ixzz3NxPMujNo
    犹太复国主义维基百科编辑课程
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189
    以色列及其党派如何审查互联网
    https://www.unz.com/article/how-israel-and-its-partisans-work-to-censor-the-internet/?highlight=wikipedia
    The Zionist attempt to control language / The Israel Project’s 2009 GLOBAL LANGUAGE DICTIONARY: https://www.transcend.org/tms/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/sf-israel-projects-2009-global-language-dictionary.pdf

  107. Has anyone written a detailed unironic book or even article about the benefits of our relationship with Israel? There has to 一些 good to come out of this…

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  108. Anon[385]• 免责声明 说:

    Its in Israel’s best interest that the USA remain white majority. Thats the voting constituency that cares enough about them to commit the military to come to her aid. The minorities here would not vote to do that.

    • 回复: @Robert Dolan
  109. sethster 说:
    @lloyd

    The writer isn’t Jewish, he’s Greek. He, Trump, Musk and the Jews are developing Iron Man suits with which they plan to make the planet habitable to high-IQ people. And this will entail getting rid above all of low-IQ whites who blame their low IQ on Jews.

    • 回复: @geokat62
    , @Colin Wright
  110. @JWalters

    If you can stand to watch and listen, and not puke your guts out, subject yourself to the video from a few years ago of a joint session of Clowngress on their rear hooves, cheering and applauding every little ook and eek that issues forth from the ex-furniture salesman from Noo Joisey’ s matzoh hole in our debased Federral Halls of Power.
    One Megaton Thermonuclear or an Airburst Neutron Device would have done SO much Good at that time…of humiliation, embarrassment and shame.

    A pox on all their houses, the vile scum.

    • 同意: Colin Wright
  111. @sethster

    #110 coming right up, Shloimy.
    Find a rock to hide under, soon.

  112. Derer 说:
    @Whitewolf

    That’s impossible without some legal protections to stop others freeloading off their work.

    Actually deceiving monopolists like Microsoft are freeloading off others. Gates started this idiotic software protection after stealing from others. He became monopoly not by expertise but by illegal contracts supported by Washington “Enron” culture. Other countries had no chance. The “Excel” is illegal un-patentable copy of Lotus 123 or Quattropro. Similarly, Facebook is illegal un-patentable copy of Hi5 etc, etc.

  113. Trinity 说:

    IF America were a healthy nation, we would kick Israel to the curb and tell her no more free rides, no more money for nothing and chicks for free, I they want MTV, then show me the moola, Shlomo.

    Israel doesn’t give two shits about America and even attacked the USS Liberty in broad daylight. How many times has Israel been caught spying on America? Jonathan Pollard, anyone? And who can forget the 5 Dancing Israelis caught celebrating as thousands jumped to their deaths or were burned alive in a pair of towering infernos formerly known as the Twin Towers or World Trade Centers. Which brings us to more current events like Epstein Pedophile Island. Since the (((Plandemic))) the Epstein/Maxwell story has been forgotten by almost all of the dunderheads that inhabit the earth. After all we live in the era of Tik Tok and most people can’t remember what they ate for breakfast yesterday.

    It is high time for America the mama bird to kick little baby Israel bird out of the nest and let it learn to fly on her own. After all, why are Jews so dependent on America, Germany and others to survive? Aren’t these people supposed to have such high IQs? Isn’t their military supposed to be so bad ass? Instead of being a tiny overachieving nation of badasses like National Socialist Germany, Israel is nothing more than a spoiled little welfare state that would probably be an obscure little sandbox if not for mo gibz from our paid off Israel Firster politicians. Let Israel learn to behave herself and respect her neighbors, that way she wouldn’t have to have the big, bad bully America fight her battles for her.

  114. @Anon

    You’re right about that. It would be best for the jews that America remains white as we have been fighting their wars and doing their bidding for the last 100 years.

    However, they don’t see it that way, and their atavistic hatred for white Christian people will be their undoing.

    • 同意: Robjil
    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  115. @AaronB

    ‘…America stations no troops in Israel and no American soldier has died in Israel’s wars…’

    Joao was right: you seem to have overlooked 1967.

    Also, on exactly whose behalf do you think we invaded Iraq?

    Zionists should be seen and not heard. We see you, Aaron; but you don’t need to post. We get it.

  116. @sethster

    ‘Worked out great. They conquered an entire country and got the world’s greatest economy to run security for them for free. And it will work even better next time when we genocide everyone below 130 IQ.’

    There goes Aaron and Fran. You too, I suspect.

    I suppose the question is whether your losses are proportional with each round, or fixed.

    A third each time and you’d be around for a while; like the Parsis, eventually, but around.

    At six million a shot? Maybe you wouldn’t make it all that long.

    But hey: ask the Holocaust deniers. Maybe it wasn’t six million. It might not be so expensive.

    去吧。

  117. geokat62 说:
    @sethster

    The writer isn’t Jewish, he’s Greek. He, Trump, Musk and the Jews are developing…

    A Greek who purportedly speaks for the Jews?

    In the immortal words of John Lennon, “Most peculiar, mamma!”

  118. @Robert Dolan

    ‘You’re right about that. It would be best for the jews that America remains white as we have been fighting their wars and doing their bidding for the last 100 years…’

    Off-topic, but it really would be best for just about everybody — outside of the Middle East — if we stuck around.

    Even China needs their biggest market. And Mexico needs somebody to watch out for them.

  119. vot tak 说:
    @Sparkon

    “During WWII, the Americans, British, and Soviets all had long range medium and heavy bombers”

    The Soviets had 2 types of heavy bombers. The TB-3, an obsolete design dating back to the early 1930’s. They had built around 800 of these before ceasing production in the late 30s, but they were obsolete, short ranged and not suitable for a long range heavy bomber role. They were used as both day and night bombers early in the war, but phased out as newer light and medium 2 engine bombers became available. The TB-3 continued in use for special operations and in auxiliary roles till the war’s end.

    另一种重型轰炸机设计为Pe-8,较现代,但只制造了100枚左右。 在整个战争期间,它们在通常的重型轰炸机角色中使用的数量非常少。

    苏联人依赖中型和轻型轰炸机,就像德国人一样。 苏维埃战场上的少量重物几乎没有产生影响,苏联重型轰炸机的使用不应被视为像英国那样的东西,而我们对这种类型的依赖。

    Both the germans and the Soviets relied mainly on tactical bombing, army support and anti-ship, rather than strategic. Heavy bombers are not very suitable for such a role. The germans saw their air force as an extension of their army and didn’t see a need for a heavy bomber. The Soviets initially designed bombers for both the strategic and tactical roles, but essentially dropped the strategic requirements when the war necessitated they build types better suited to direct army support.

    另一方面,美国人和英国人认为他们的空军主要是战略性的,严重忽视了二战前几年的战术作用。

    • 同意: Colin Wright
    • 回复: @Wielgus
    , @vot tak
    , @Sparkon
  120. @AaronB

    Moreover, Israel is an innovative tech hub which feeds into the American tech advantage and provides weapons testing and intelligence to the US. Israel also acts as a projector of US power in the region – Syria halted its plans to invade Jordan in the 70s when Israel mobilized its forces to prevent it.

    1. Unlike a lot of other countries the US gives military aid to, Israel is not obliged to spend 100% of it on American arms and indeed a uses a fairly sizeable proportion of the aid to develop its own military-industrial complex. This has had the effect of creating a new competitor for US arms manufacturers.

    2. Israel sells US technology to China, such as the Phoenix AAM, Patriot SAM, and Lavi fighter jet. Not very worthy of the title of Greatest Ally.

    3. By “weapons testing”, do you mean bombing Palestinian population centres? Very psychopathic of you to glibly refer to it as ,”testing”, as if it is being done on some range.

    Finally, the Jewish community in America probably makes the largest contribution to American wealth and power through taxes and through its broad and diverse philanthropic activities in funding hospitals, charities, and schools, as well as providing a lot of the manpower for its top businesses.

    Where would America be without the Jews, likely just a backwater of course, thankfully Jews decided to philanthropically grace the American goyim with their presence and now America is a superpower.

    Supporting Israel is not only a part of America’s larger commitment to supporting democracies around the world, but also a part of its power projection in the Middle East.

    Jews wanted a homeland, I get it, I can’t oppose such an endeavour morally speaking when I advocate it for my own group. But why did some Eastern European Jews need to create their new state in Palestine apart from some pseudo-historical justification? Furthermore, what happened to the a land without people for a people without a land? Why do we have to subsidise the retarded decisions made by Jews to establish a state in the middle of a hornet’s nest?

    Jewish Arch-Neocon theorist Michael Ledeen writes in his book The War Against Terror Masters what the mission of America is in his view:

    创造性破坏是我们在社会内部和国外的中间名。 我们每天都拆除旧秩序,从商业到科学,文学,艺术,建筑,电影从政治到法律。 我们的敌人一直讨厌这种充满活力和创造力的旋风,这种旋风威胁着他们的传统(无论他们可能是什么),并因无法跟上他们的步伐而感到羞耻。 …[W]必须摧毁它们以推进我们的历史使命。

    In reality this is just what Jewish power lobbyists wanted, you can feel Ledeen channelling his inner Lev Bronstein in the above passage.

    Jews should really be kept away from positions of power, particularly foreign policy and banking.

    • 同意: Colin Wright
    • 回复: @AaronB
  121. @ChuckOrloski

    Indeed. They have caused untold misery and strife throughout the region and the world.

    A revolution needs to occur in Israel and among Zionists. They need to get better and fast.

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  122. @Colin Wright

    Few if any Germans alive today have ever harmed any Jews.

    这必须停止。

    Jews are eternal victims and never victimizers is a lie that has led to enormous death and suffering throughout the world.

    It is currently used as a smokescreen for the genocide being perpetrated on the Palestinian people and allowing the most egregious crimes against humanity today.

    这必须停止。

    • 同意: Colin Wright
    • 回复: @Trinity
  123. vot tak 说:
    @AaronB

    “America stations no troops in Israel”

    Like everything else that websayan writes here, that is simply a lie.

    US breaks ground for new permanent base in Israel

    https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2017/09/18/us-breaks-ground-for-new-permanent-base-in-israel/

    “The American base, officers in Israel say, will be an independent facility co-located at the Israel Defense Forces Air Defense School in southern Israel, near the desert capital of Beersheba. Once completed, the base will house U.S. operational systems to identify and intercept a spectrum of aerial threats, along with barracks, recreational and other facilities required to support several dozen American air defenders.

    While the new U.S. base marks the first to be co-located within an Israeli base and the first in which active interceptors are to be deployed, the U.S. military has operated an independent facility for nearly a decade in the same general area of Israel’s Negev desert. That facility — which is operated only by Americans without an Israeli presence — houses the U.S. AN/TPY-2, an X-Band radar that is integrated with Israeli search and track radars to augment early warning in the event of ballistic missile attack from Iran.”

    There are also many american military personnel temporarily stationed in israel at any given time.

  124. Trinity 说:
    @lavoisier

    Hmm, not to mention the genocide of Whites as well. Forgive me for worrying about Whites a tad more than Palestinians, I guess that makes me a “White Supremacist.” Seems like every time you turn up an anti-White stone or label there is a Jew underneath it all. 109 times? Do (((these people))) attract trouble or are they the problem? Without a doubt, Jews are front and center leading anti-White organizations like (((BLM))) and (((Antifa.))) not to mention America’s premier hate groups like the \$PLC and the ADL. After all we all know that Jews helped turn South Africa into what it is today. Is America next? Meanwhile, traditionally White nations can’t kiss Israel or Jew backside enough, never mind that (((these people))) are behind flooding OUR nations with hostile nonwhite invaders who are nothing more than human WMD to our people and our nations.

    • 同意: Kolya Krassotkin
  125. @sethster

    ‘The writer isn’t Jewish, he’s Greek. He, Trump, Musk and the Jews are developing Iron Man suits with which they plan to make the planet habitable to high-IQ people. And this will entail getting rid above all of low-IQ whites who blame their low IQ on Jews.’

    This does raise the question. What do you imagine your IQ to be?

  126. @Sick of Orcs

    ‘Has anyone written a detailed unironic book or even article about the benefits of our relationship with Israel? There has to some good to come out of this…’

    I would guess Dershowitz has offered up whatever claims there are to be offered up: The Case for Israel.

    • 谢谢: Sick of Orcs
  127. @lavoisier

    ‘…A revolution needs to occur in Israel and among Zionists. They need to get better and fast.’

    I’d argue that’s essentially a contradiction in terms. The more intelligent and morally fastidious the Jew, the less likely he is to be a Zionist.

    想想你愿意承认的所有犹太人在某些方面都是令人钦佩的。 有多少犹太复国主义者? 现在想想所有完全排斥、严重缺乏的害虫。 多少个?

    • 回复: @lavoisier
  128. AaronB 说:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    那么,美国对以色列的军事援助的 74% 必须用于美国的商品和服务。 相比之下,在德国和韩国驻军的费用。

    美国对以色列向中国出售技术拥有否决权。 以色列人想把以色列版的Phalcon系统卖给中国,但美国人完全阻止了。 美国还阻止以色列让中国经营其战略港口海法。

    以色列非常顺从美国关于共享技术的要求,因为美国的联盟远比获得的任何利益更有价值。 美国并不羞于涉足这一领域。 以色列始终遵守。 据当时报道,中国人意识到他们高估了犹太人对美国的影响程度,而美国人牢牢地控制着。

    以色列的武器发展对美国也有好处。 所有技术都与美国共享,并实现了对美国有利的突破。 各种以色列系统用于美国军队。

    By weapons testing, I’m referring to things like Israeli first use of American fighter jet technology against Soviet technology which the Arabs were using, which decisively proved the superiority of American technology in competent hands. Also, Israel constantly operates American technology against the most sophisticated Russian supplied air defense systems, and shares with America all lessons learned about how to defeat them. Israel is the first country to use the F-35 fighter jet in combat, and I am sure much valuable info was gleaned and shared.

    如果没有犹太人,美国会在哪里,当然可能只是一潭死水,谢天谢地,犹太人决定以他们的存在为美国戈伊姆提供慈善服务,现在美国是一个超级大国

    .

    Not at all. America is a rich and powerful country largely due to the hard work and ingenuity of its non-Jewish population. It would be a superpower even without a single Jew. But it’s undeniable that Jews have made an oversized and unique contribution to this. This doesn’t detract from the achievement of non-Jewish Americans, but it doesn’t seem outrageous that Americans might want to help the Jewish mother country.

    犹太人想要一个家园,我明白了,当我为我自己的团体倡导它时,从道德上讲,我不能反对这样的努力

    谢谢,我对此表示感谢。 我认为每个不同的群体都需要空间与和平来实践其文化而不受干扰。

    但是,除了一些伪历史的理由之外,为什么一些东欧犹太人需要在巴勒斯坦建立他们的新国家? 再者,对于一个没有土地的人来说,一个没有人的土地发生了什么? 为什么我们要补贴犹太人在马蜂窝中建立国家的迟钝决定

    好吧,您可能没有意识到以色列国对犹太人的中心地位。 这是我们文化和宗教的焦点。 几个世纪以来,犹太人一直祈祷返回。 宗教法的很大一部分仅适用于居住在土地上。 每块岩石,丘陵和树木都使我们想起圣经的某些部分。 这是我们的民族神话,我们的民族文学和我们的精神志向的地方

    话虽如此,犹太人明白通过暴力将生活在我们土地上的人们连根拔起是不道德的。 这就是为什么犹太人通过合法手段购买了大部分未使用的荒地,只想在合法获得的土地上成为一个主权社区,大部分都是空的。 犹太人几乎接受了所有授予犹太社区主权和阿拉伯社区对其各自土地主权的提议。 阿拉伯人拒绝了每一个人,并试图征服犹太人。

    这场冲突是关于阿拉伯帝国主义的。

    实际上,这正是犹太权力游说者想要的,您可以感觉到Ledeen在上述段落中引导了他内心的Lev Bronstein

    I don’t support this kind of constant innovation, but isn’t it really a feature of capitalism and the scientific revolution, and the Enlightenment?

    I realize Jews are overrepresented in these kinds of things, but they don’t seem particularly Jewish, and they’ve undermined Jewish traditions as much as anyone’s. Many Jews today abandon the faith and intermarry.

    • 巨魔: vot tak
    • 回复: @Colin Wright
    , @AnonStarter
  129. Art 说:
    @AaronB

    特朗普只是使您的评论无关紧要,他说了实话“我们只是在中东保护以色列”。

    美国军队必须在 ME 中,因为你们犹太人被如此仇恨是有道理的。 人口众多的以色列邻国都憎恨他们。 只有独裁统治阶级才会对犹太人做出令人作呕的亲吻脸。

    显然,我们之所以在这里,仅仅是因为特朗普想成为他的犹太孙辈的历史英雄人物。

    • 同意: AnonStarter
    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  130. Donald Trump is making choosing to sit out the election easier.

    Well done, Mr. Blormph. Well done.

  131. @Talha

    Calculated to give it gravitas? Maybe. It could then be passed around amongst Zionists who could be motivated to support Trump.

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  132. PolarBear 说:
    @sethster

    Left, right. Black, White. Dumb, smart. Most people in general are dumb. Every group is getting sick of Jews though. Jews are too paranoid to accept any goy that isn’t 100% their bitch. As a result, the Jews allies are the epidome of weak.

    • 回复: @sethster
  133. Talha 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    King Cyrus needs coffers to run campaign ads, bro.

    和平:

  134. Anonymous[150]• 免责声明 说:
    @geokat62

    Thanks. I usually catch a lot of hasbara troll irrelevance as rebuttal here. It’s late, I know, but have you been watching the so-called debates? It’s hard to believe, at least for this New Yorker who’s worked with Jews on the Street, that Americans are such idiots as to miss that Chris Wallace is DJT’s opponent, not lounge lizard Joe.

    Well, as Spengler put it, life, if it is to be good, must be hard, so let’s at least recognize that no group will suffer more under the “reset” than the Jews and white (former Christian) Karens promoting this vengeance under the guise of social justice. Men love war. The left forgot to take this into consideration. Theirs and the suburban liberal Karens’ goose is cooked. It should be fun for those of us who were insulted for having served in combat in Vietnam and having these couch potatoes spit in our faces all these years.

  135. sethster 说:
    @PolarBear

    每一个对犹太人有意见的人都是愚蠢的。 如果可以选择生活在兜售犹太阴谋论的白色垃圾中或与犹太人一起生活,我是第一次飞往耶路撒冷。 反犹太主义者甚至比自由主义者更恶心。

  136. @Art

    显然,我们之所以在这里,是因为特朗普想成为他的犹太孙辈的历史英雄人物。”

    这不公平。 我们在那里是因为如果特朗普试图做不同的事情,他就不会成为总统。

  137. @AaronB

    “……以色列非常顺从美国对共享技术的要求,因为美国同盟比获得的任何利益都更有价值。 美国并不羞于涉足这一领域。 以色列总是遵守……”

    叹。 不知道我为什么要打扰。

    “以色列长期以来一直向中国提供美国军事技术。”

    https://www.military.com/defensetech/2013/12/24/report-israel-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china

    我会节省一些时间,并假设您的其余帖子都差不多。

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
    , @AaronB
  138. @AaronB

    好吧,美国对以色列的军事援助的74%必须用于美国的商品和服务。

    这比地球上任何其他国家允许的少 26%。 只有以色列才能获得这种特殊豁免。 你也没有提到以色列从美国获得的近 40% 的外国军事资助资金 支持其国内 - 而不是军事 - 预算。

    话虽如此,犹太人明白,通过暴力将生活在我们土地上的人赶出家园是不道德的。

    好吧,不……那是他们的 通缉 别人去思考。 实际情况大不相同。

    从乌里·本·埃里泽(Uri Ben-Eliezer)的 和平战争:以色列军国主义一百年:

    在Yishuv(前犹太复国主义者-犹太社区)中形成的第一个强大的犹太军事组织是Hashomer(卫队)。 该组织的近期目标是用犹太人代替阿拉伯警卫队,但其根本目标却远大。 Hashomer宣传了新犹太人的形象:坚强,身心健康,肌肉发达-与流放的弱势,依附犹太人截然相反。 此外,其成员是最早开发以武力征服土地理论的犹太复国主义者。 该组织的成立会议讨论了解放人民和家园以及建立犹太国家的必要性。 会议的口号是 “在血火犹大中跌倒,在血火犹大中将崛起。” 引用这些词的诗还包括:“我们已经崛起并返回了充满活力的年轻人……赎回我们被压迫的土地! 我们要用强大的手来要求我们的遗产!” ...

    在1911年访问巴勒斯坦期间,作家兼文学评论家戴维·弗里什曼(David Frishman)毫无疑问地认为哈索默(Hashomer)的性格是: “他们不是在保护自己,而是在挑衅他人。 他们的主要担心是,其他人应该知道住在这里的人很顽皮,很轻率,所以他们总是会害怕。” 他警告说,这一天即将到来,他们的阿拉伯邻居“将最终觉醒并团结起来,突然意识到他们拥有力量和力量; 然后他们会报仇雪恨。” [强调]

    当然,正如记录所表明的那样,这些是 不能 第一个考虑使用武力的犹太复国主义者,但本-埃利泽对第二阿利亚马克思主义极端分子的描述是正确的:他们是最重要的人之一 直接 早在布兰代斯和帕鲁西姆发表贝尔福宣言之前,巴勒斯坦冲突的煽动者。

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    , @AaronB
  139. L.K 说:
    @AaronB

    亚伦B == 令人作呕的撒谎犹太复国主义巨魔。

  140. 当特朗普将白宫的钥匙交给内塔尼亚胡时,内塔尼亚胡可能会假笑说:“谢谢,我会把它添加到我的收藏中。”

  141. @sethster

    兜售犹太人的阴谋论

    有害的反犹太阴谋论。 随心所欲地搭配,我们知道演练。

    话虽如此,实际上有大量所谓的“反犹太人”令人发指。 这样的失败者不会带来任何好处。 我必须相信至少其中一些是植物。 (如果不是,那么对我们其他人来说太糟糕了!)

    • 回复: @BloodSpirit
  142. @Colin Wright

    有问题,不是吗?

    我同意犹太复国主义者和他们的极端主义是西方毁灭的源头。

    但是我们如何处理这个问题呢? 甚至有可能掌握正在发生的事情吗?

    美国人温顺地继续支持一群对每个人都不利的人。 以色列必须成为一个国家有史以来最糟糕的盟友。

    现在有一种推动力,使对以色列或犹太人行为的批评在所谓的“自由”社会中构成犯罪。 在欧洲大部分地区,这已经是一种犯罪。

    看了今晚的辩论,听了解说,我感到无比的绝望。 在我们对锡安的忠诚和对所有黑色事物的荒谬崇敬之间,我们似乎根本没有其他功能可以存在。

    作为一个民族,一个民族,我们处于自由落体状态。 我认为这种下降在很大程度上归因于我们机构的腐败和我们被腐败的意愿。

    我很惭愧我们允许它发生。 而且如此轻松!

    我们是一个被俘虏的人,乐于走向我们的毁灭。

    我的绝望真的源于一种敏锐的意识,即我们中的许多人真的像绵羊一样对我们面临的危险漠不关心。

    我们需要对种族进行坦率的讨论,也需要坦率地讨论由一群人对我们机构的压倒性控制是否对我们其他人有益。

    如果明天爱尔兰人控制着媒体,好莱坞,金融界,并且是两个政党的压倒性捐助者,而我们代表他们参加战争,那么我将开始对这种控制和共和国的健康提出一些问题。

    美国人能做到吗? 看起来并非如此。

    • 同意: Colin Wright
  143. @lavoisier

    lavoiser –您已完美地总结了这个问题! 谢谢!

    “我们需要对种族进行坦率的讨论,也需要对一群人压倒性地控制我们的机构是否对我们其他人有利的坦率讨论。 如果明天爱尔兰人控制了媒体,好莱坞,金融界,并且是两个政党的压倒性捐助者,而我们代表他们参加了战争,那么我将开始对这种控制和共和国的健康提出一些问题。 美国人可以这样做吗? 事实并非如此。”

  144. AaronB 说:
    @AnonStarter

    这比地球上任何其他国家的允许量少26%

    嗯,其他国家得到的直接援助不必花在美国商品上,或者他们在那里驻扎了美军为他们战斗而死,或者他们实际上有成千上万的美国士兵为他们而战并为之丧命,否则他们会获得不利于美国人的优惠贸易条件。

    与其他国家相比,向以色列提供援助的非凡之处在于,它花费了美国多少钱,他们得到了多少回报。

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
    , @AnonStarter
  145. AaronB 说:
    @Philip Giraldi

    如果批评犹太人影响的人没有立即变得疯狂和极端,就可以讨论犹太人的影响。

    你需要问问自己,像 Unz 这样的网站在这方面是否有帮助。 如果这里的所有反犹太评论者都在这方面有所帮助。

    当讨论犹太人的影响成为疯狂,经常种族灭绝的犹太人仇恨的战线时,普通人不想进行这种讨论就不足为奇了。

    就像西尔维奥弗(Silviosilver)所说,这里的反犹太人几乎就像植物一样。

    安德鲁·乔伊斯(Andrew Joyce)撰写的一篇文章(尤兹(Unz)突出展示)拒绝了关于犹太人的中间人理论,因为这并没有使犹太人天生就有邪恶。

    正常体面的人是否应该愿意与撰写或同意此类内容的人讨论犹太影响?

    上帝赐福给了我们有史以来最愚蠢的敌人,他们的恶意使他们失明。

    • 回复: @geokat62
    , @Art
    , @Colin Wright
  146. @Colin Wright

    我会节省一些时间,并假设您的其余帖子都差不多。

    差不多了

    A123其实比Aaron还老实。 至少他并没有假装犹太复国主义者除了从一开始就将阿拉伯人从他们的土地上赶走之外,还打算做任何事情。

  147. @Philip Giraldi

    事情是......坦率的讨论只发生在那些愿意拥有它的人之间——例如,就在这里——这将永远是世界的方式。 唯一可能改变的方法是,如果你强迫它离开权力位置,这将需要应用你的意识形态对手的方法和手段。

    这里的人们需要接受这样一个事实,即他们所设想的变化不太可能发生,除非在非常密切的圈子里。 在当地行动。 沿着意识形态路线组织和行动是可以的; 这是美国人应该效仿的关于犹太人的事情。 Satmar 控制了 Kiryas Joel 的整个城镇,没有理由认为其他人不可能在美国农村的其他地方做类似的事情。 不,美国法律不是塔木德法。 尽管它遭受了所有的腐败,但它仍然可以保护您的信念。

    你只需要使用它。

  148. 那里有T恤艺术家吗?

    Unz评论: 在哪里 哈斯巴拉 死了

  149. @sethster

    亨利·福特(Henry Ford),查尔斯·林德伯格(Charles Lindbergh)等反犹太人。 可能是最好的美国人。 多数怀特垃圾桶可能只是同意主流媒体的犹太叙述。

  150. @silviosilver

    高雅的反犹太主义是健康的。 通常,白痴没有什么好处,问题与反犹太主义本身无关。

  151. geokat62 说:
    @AaronB

    上帝赐福给了我们有史以来最愚蠢的敌人,他们的恶意使他们失明。

    看,我告诉你,他们认为我们都只是愚蠢的哥伊姆!

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  152. geokat62 说:
    @lavoisier

    我们需要对种族进行坦率的讨论,也需要坦率地讨论由一群人对我们机构的压倒性控制是否对我们其他人有益。

    弗兰克的讨论? 不幸的是,在游戏的这个阶段,我们的对手没有心情与我们这些可悲的人讨论任何事情。 在他们制造的虚假的政治正确框架中,那些反对进步主义神圣原则的人是邪恶的敌人,他们迫切需要处置而不是进行讨论,以维护其反乌托邦的未来。

    他们不想与我们讨论任何事情。 他们充其量希望把我们那些可以接受再教育的人送往再教育营……而在最坏的情况下,那些不能接受过教育的人则要通过断头台切断我们的头!

    • 回复: @geokat62
  153. @AaronB

    其他国家获得的直接援助不必花在美国商品上

    是的,但是您没有提到非FMF援助。 您明确指出:“美国的74% 军事援助 以色列必须花在美国的商品和服务上。”

    没有其他国家像以色列一样被允许使用其军事援助的 26%。 此外,没有其他国家能够将40%的FMF援助用于其国内预算。

    以色列收到 五分之一 占美国总援助预算的一部分,这只是透明的资金,其中不包括由于提前支付援助、特别贷款豁免、赠款和捐赠基金等而产生的利息。没有其他国家能与之匹敌。

    他们有成千上万的美国士兵实际上为他们而战和牺牲

    在最近的记忆中,这种情况只发生在穆斯林世界,在美国,美国人是由于以色列的贪婪行为。

    特朗普最初是在缩减美国在全球范围内的军事存在的平台上运行的,该平台获得了足够的选民支持,使其在2016年跃居首位。这是一个很好的平台。 太糟糕了,他似乎无法真正意识到这一点。

    • 回复: @AaronB
  154. AaronB 说:
    @Colin Wright

    你能说出一个事件,美国要求以色列不要向中国出售技术,而以色列却继续这样做了。 特别是大型军事系统,在战场上有很大的不同。

    我毫不怀疑已经出现了漏洞,技术已经转让,特别是小型系统和技术。 有流氓士兵和军官向巴勒斯坦人出售武器和武器。 数量惊人的哈马斯恐怖分子使用以色列国防军发行的武器和制服。

    但是,如果哈马斯获得了以色列核潜艇或 F-35,那么我们就在谈论一些事情。 当中国人拿到以色列的 F-35 时,请告诉我。

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  155. @AaronB

    与其他国家相比,向以色列提供援助的非凡之处在于,它花费了美国多少钱,他们得到了多少回报。

    沃尔特(Walt)和米尔斯海默(Mearsheimer)实际上非常有效地对这种说法撒了谎。 从一个 强权政治 从角度来看,以色列的影响一直是负面的,无论是在国内——它对言论自由发动战争——以及在国际上,它的战争给人类带来了巨大的痛苦。

    在这方面,美国付出的代价是难以估量的。

  156. AaronB 说:
    @AnonStarter

    美国的外国援助有多种形式,每种形式都针对特定国家的情况而定。

    日本派驻部队在那里保卫日本,并可以将用于国防的数十亿美元转移到日本的经济中。 这远远超过了24亿的XNUMX%。 长期以来,它也获得了价值数十亿美元的有利贸易条件。

    而且,以色列在美国的援助下开发的军事技术与美国共享,因此其研发投入多于援助。 科技公司投资以色列的研发——美国军方为什么不应该投资。

    在最近的记忆中,这种情况只发生在穆斯林世界,在美国,美国人是由于以色列的贪婪行为。

    美国以自由价值观捍卫与西方结盟的民主国家,反对暴君和暴君。 它在越南和韩国做到了,现在在 ME 也做到了。 这不是我的错,因为以色列是具有自由价值观的与西方结盟的民主国家,而该地区的穆斯林国家大多是非自由的专制国家。 只有你能改变这一点——如果你改变了,我保证美国也会来帮助你。

    我还记得第二次世界大战以及朝鲜战争和越南战争。 说你最糟糕的“美国对以色列的战争”,在美国与以色列的关系中根本没有什么可比的。

    我们可以讨论美国对以色列的援助是否是一项好政策,但是当您否认美国向其他国家提供的军事和经济援助大大增加时,您就将自己打上了非理性的烙印。

    至于美国为何在中东,就连吉拉尔迪也承认,确保石油向世界经济的顺畅流动符合美国的利益。

    美国能源独立是在伊拉克战争之后很久才取得的成就。 特朗普可能会说我们在这一点上只是在吸纳以色列的犹太捐助者(这与美国捍卫自由民主国家的政策完全一致,即使是真的也是如此),但每个人都知道美国的利益需要以确保石油顺利流入全球经济。

    • 回复: @geokat62
    , @AnonStarter
  157. AaronB 说:
    @AnonStarter

    我在你的引述中没有看到任何说主流犹太复国主义社区想要根除当地阿拉伯人的内容。

    在某个时刻,犹太复国主义者中的一些派系开始明白,保卫自己需要“血与火”。 当地的阿拉伯人是帝国主义的,即使他们可以在自己的村庄和平生活,也想夺取犹太村庄和土地。

    也有极端自由派坚持当地阿拉伯人会和平接受他们的梦想。

    他们不是保护自己,而是挑衅他人。 他们主要担心的是,其他人应该知道,住在这里的人是强硬和鲁莽的,所以他们会一直害怕。”

    好吧,一个自由的欧洲犹太人卷入了一场战斗,不明白发生了什么。 在不断遭到袭击后,犹太守卫开始采取更加自信的姿态。

    您可能想问问自己,为什么他们需要树立鲁莽和强硬的名声——人们通常这样做是为了阻止攻击。 一个人数众多的小社区只有采取侵略性的姿态才能在不断的攻击面前生存下来。

    1937 年阿拉伯起义后,皮尔委员会得出结论,问题是两个社区不相处,并提议将它们分开。 该委员会建议给阿拉伯人大部分土地,给犹太人一小块土地(我认为是强制性巴勒斯坦的 13%)。

    犹太人接受了这个计划。 如果他们有所有这些咄咄逼人的要求,他们为什么会接受这么小的条子?

    为何阿拉伯人拒绝这项计划?

    在48年,犹太人再次接受,阿拉伯人拒绝了。 再次出现在67岁。再次出现在90年代和00年代。

    话虽如此,犹太复国主义像所有政治运动一样,是复杂的,有许多潮流和逆流。 它也随着当地阿拉伯人的侵略而演变。 有一些派系想要驱逐当地的阿拉伯人。 仍然有。 从极端主义派系中提取孤立的引述,或从思想浮现的犹太复国主义者日记或信件中摘录,或专注于特定的紧张时期而不提供上下文并将其用作“特征”,这比简单地看主流更没有说服力犹太复国主义社区在其官方声明和行为中说过和做过。

    37 年,它接受了巴勒斯坦的一小部分。 48 年,它接受了另一个再次偏袒阿拉伯人的分裂。

    扩张主义侵略者不会那样做。

    然后是67、90年代,等等...

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
  158. geokat62 说:
    @AaronB

    至于美国为何在中东,就连吉拉尔迪也承认,确保石油向世界经济的顺畅流动符合美国的利益。

    你有参考吗?

    ……但每个人都知道,美国的利益要求它确保石油顺利流入全球经济。

    你应该联系米尔斯海默和沃尔特。 他们会改变他们书中的论点, 以色列游说团与美国外交政策,其中他们提供了无可辩驳的证据,证明石油不是入侵伊拉克的动机……大厅是。

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  159. AaronB 说:
    @geokat62

    你有参考吗?

    它在本文的前几段。

    我不是在谈论第二次伊拉克战争,而是在谈论美国在该地区的普遍存在,即美国在那里没有生意的想法。

    从现实政治的角度来看,这没有意义。 如果美国离开,中国或某个阿拉伯独裁者将成为该地区的新势力。 现在,如果欧洲想要获得石油,就必须向这个新势力磕头。 他们可能会要求对美国不利的政策。

    这是一个简单的计算,它也为美国支持自由民主国家的总体政策提供了依据,即世界由自由民主国家组成的越多,对美国越好。

    说美国只为以色列加入 ME 与声称以色列获得的援助比说日本或德国更多一样是愚蠢的。

    这两个问题都可以辩论,但出发点必须是简单的常识和诚实。

    并且请理解-我将完全支持美国在该地区,仅是为了支持以色列,这是其支持自由民主政体的政策的一部分。 在亚洲和欧洲,美国为此付出了更大的牺牲和代价。 如果美国不这样做,那将是很奇怪的。

    事实上,这需要解释——支持以色列正是美国在世界各地所做的事情。

    • 回复: @geokat62
    , @Art
  160. @AaronB

    美国的外国援助有多种形式,每种形式都针对特定国家的情况而定。

    美国对外援助的驱动力是霸权野心,而不是民主的支持。 (美国对沙特阿拉伯和也门的支持就是一个很好的例子。)它在何时何地花费这笔钱,就像你说的那样——“投射力量”。

    这一预测的纽带是华盛顿特区,在那里,以色列比任何其他利益集团都享有这样的影响力,以至于任何特定的外交政策指令如果被认为对以色列不利,就不会被颁布; 他们的控制就是那么有效。

    这是问题的症结所在,而不是愚蠢的争论,即其他国家从美国获得的慷慨援助比以色列受益更多。 日本没有违反联合国安理会的数百项决议,也没有像以色列那样实行种族隔离和压迫。 更重要的是,日本并没有利用其说客作为压制美国言论自由的工具。 它并不像以色列那样试图对美国的高等教育机构施加对学术自由的限制。 美国社交媒体平台并没有屈服于日本游说团体的压力。

    无论您还记得第二次世界大战,韩国和越南都无关紧要。 它们已经成为历史,已经过去了,但以色列在国内外的霸权战争正在我们说话的时候发生,美国对它们的支持要求任何声称为美国的最佳利益行事的人都坚持反对。

    你不知道我们懂了。

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  161. geokat62 说:
    @AaronB

    它在本文的前几段。

    哈哈! 写作…

    多年来,中东的安全框架被描述为……

    与声称略有不同……

    至于美国为何在中东,就连吉拉尔迪也承认,确保石油向世界经济的顺畅流动符合美国的利益。

    您使吉拉尔迪似乎似乎赞成攻击伊拉克以确保获得ME石油。 对于您的陈述的准确性,我有点怀疑,因为我不知道吉拉尔迪(Gillaldi)曾是罗恩·保罗(Ron Paul)的外交政策顾问,主张提倡非干预主义的外交政策。

    这是一个简单的计算,它也为美国支持自由民主国家的总体政策提供了依据,即世界由自由民主国家组成的越多,对美国越好。

    自由民主对美国更好? 如果这是真的,她为什么要坚定地支持像 MBS 或 el-Sisi 这样的专制政权?

    不,自由民主的最大受益者是至上主义的犹太人。 它们比大多数其他形式的政府更容易被颠覆。 男孩他们颠覆了他们! 通过打开闸门来大规模移民,看看他们对他们造成的损害。

    说美国只为以色列加入 ME 与声称以色列获得的援助比说日本或德国更多一样是愚蠢的。

    我知道,我知道……我们都这么想的傻瓜。 我代表我所有的笨哥伊姆同胞道歉。

    这两个问题都可以辩论,但出发点必须是简单的常识, 诚实.

    诚实? 来自 Unz Review 最重要的 hasbarist 的口中,这是第 n 级的胆量!

    并且请理解...

    哦,相信我...我明白了。

    事实上,这需要解释——支持以色列正是美国在世界各地所做的事情。

    是的,你说的没错。 美国与犹太国家的关系与日本或德国具有相同的关系。 但是,有一个问题……当有人提到特殊关系时,想到哪个国家?

  162. AaronB 说:
    @AnonStarter

    我只是想纠正以色列从美国得到的慷慨比其他任何人都多的印象,这似乎是围绕这些地区的印象。 事实上,以色列获得的收益远低于许多其他国家,并且以多种方式使美国受益,而美国人为之牺牲的国家(例如越南)却没有这样做。

    其次,我想纠正这样一种印象,即保护以色列是对美国规范的奇怪背离,这只能用犹太游说团体的力量来解释。

    显然,美国在支持自由民主制方面打击世界各地的自由主义政权方面拥有令人印象深刻的记录,而以色列是一个自由民主制国家,周围都是自由主义者的敌人。

    讨论美国是否应该像以色列那样支持以色列是没有问题的——但出发点不能是极端夸大和误解。

    至于目前对以色列的援助,美国还在韩国和日本驻军。 日本仍然可以节省数十亿美元,而不必拥有真正的国防部门。 美国士兵现在准备为保卫这些国家而牺牲。

    这些是美国援助的持续例子,应该与美国对以色列的援助进行比较。

    这一预测的纽带是华盛顿特区,在那里,以色列比任何其他利益集团都享有这样的影响力,以至于任何特定的外交政策指令如果被认为对以色列不利,就不会被颁布; 他们的控制就是那么有效

    .

    当然,这是夸张的。

    实际发生的事情是,自由民主国家的首要利益是保护彼此免受不自由的敌人的侵害,以及帮助传播他们的政府形式,使世界对他们来说是安全的。

    因此,即使可以为美国赚钱的政策与保卫以色列所需的政策发生冲突,压倒一切的利益将是保卫自由民主的同胞。 赚钱将是次要的兴趣。

    现在,如果您能告诉我,例如以色列和另一个自由民主国家纯粹在贸易方面存在争议,而美国始终站在以色列一边,那么您会遇到一个更好的情况。 或者在美国以危害另一个自由民主为代价帮助以色列的地方,你会有更好的案例。

    但在实践中,这种冲突很少发生。

    日本没有违反联合国安理会数百项决议,也没有像以色列那样实行种族隔离和压迫

    当然,由一个存在严重偏见且没有法律约束力的大会。

    以色列没有种族隔离制度。 它是一个具有自由价值观的多种族国家,无论其背景如何,都赋予所有公民充分的权利。 阿拉伯德鲁兹人可以成为指挥以色列最好的步兵旅的将军。 阿拉伯少数民族享有特殊特权——他们可以免除繁重的兵役,如果他们愿意,可以选择志愿服务,并在大学获得平权行动。

    另一方面,我猜想日本将不允许阿拉伯人指挥其步兵旅。

    而且,日本并没有利用说客来压制美国的言论自由。 它并没有像以色列一样试图对美国的高等教育机构施加限制学术自由的限制。 美国社交媒体平台并未屈服于日本游说团体的压力。

    以色列只关心对自己的诽谤,而不关心学术自由或言论自由。

    我们这个时代的总趋势是限制言论。 我觉得这很遗憾,但这主要不是犹太人的问题。 是的,以色列正在顺应这一趋势,并希望将其转化为利益,但其他所有人也是如此。 阿拉伯和穆斯林团体也推动言论限制,甚至泰国也试图阻止美国社交媒体允许批评自己或其国王。 当然,中国在这方面非常积极。

    所以它是全球性的全球趋势。 我不支持,但不能归结为以色列。

    以色列只是试图压制对它最极端的诽谤,而不是普通的批评。 普通美国人对这些都不太关心,而穆斯林文化和社会鼓励更大的言论限制,并以创造不自由的社会而闻名——我认为我们应该更加担心穆斯林获得文化影响。

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
    , @silviosilver
  163. @AaronB

    在某个时刻,犹太复国主义者中的一些派系开始明白,保卫自己需要“血与火”。

    不,事情不是这样的。

    本·埃里泽(Ben-Eliezer)详细介绍了第二Aliyah派由于缺乏就业机会而感到沮丧的原因,因为第一Aliyah移民雇用阿拉伯劳工从事农业和看守。 出于这种挫败感,他们提出了“征服劳动”和“征服卫队”等口号。 他将他们的前景描述为“零和游戏”,并引用 Hapoel Hatzair 领导人的话说,“实现犹太复国主义的一个基本条件是 所有 该国的劳动职业必须被犹太人征服。”

    此外,我们可以检查1891年亚哈德·哈阿姆(Ahad Ha'am)的言论,该言论远早于第二Aliyah,在那次讲话中,他承认移民犹太人对阿拉伯人的恶劣待遇。 Ha'am 是您提到的那些“极端自由主义”犹太人之一,他的愿景在犹太复国主义计划的早期就被 Hashomer 类型的激进分子完全推翻。 他将穆斯林控制的巴勒斯坦的政治精神描述为“一种无限自由”,这大大削弱了您关于阿拉伯对犹太移民的侵略是引发巴勒斯坦冲突的火花的说法。

    “阿拉伯人开始了它”是支撑你整个论点的关键,既然关键点被打破了,你的论点就崩溃了。

    巴勒斯坦的阿拉伯土著人从来没有任何法律或道义上的义务去接受任何安排,甚至给犹太人留下一公顷土地,对他们的生存一直存有长期敌意,这就是为什么他们拒绝皮尔委员会的提议,而该提议给犹太人带来了更多的利益。犹太人拥有的土地面积是其合法拥有的土地的三倍;《 47分区计划》为犹太人分配的土地数量是其合法拥有的土地的约8倍。

    从极端主义派系中提取孤立的引述,或从思想浮现的犹太复国主义者日记或信件中摘录,或专注于特定的紧张时期而不提供上下文并将其用作“特征”,这比简单地看主流更没有说服力犹太复国主义社区在其官方声明和行为中说过和做过。

    这确实是一个相当薄弱的论点。 您基本上是在说,与通过检查尽可能多的事件相比,政府官方版本的事件更能理解任何给定的历史。 总体 尽可能使用主要来源材料。

    瘸。

    • 回复: @AaronB
  164. @Philip Giraldi

    感谢吉拉尔迪先生有勇气和智慧说出需要说的话并为正义辩护。

  165. ?? 特朗普不是第一个这么说的人。 自1948年以来就是这种方式。

  166. AaronB 说:
    @AnonStarter

    本·埃里泽(Ben-Eliezer)详细介绍了第二Aliyah派由于缺乏就业机会而感到沮丧的原因,因为第一Aliyah移民雇用阿拉伯劳工从事农业和看守。 出于这种沮丧,他们采用了“征服劳动”和“征服警卫”的口号。 他将他们的观点描述为“零和游戏”,并引述Hapoel Hatzair领导人的话说:“实现犹太复国主义的一个基本条件是,该国的所有劳工职业都必须被犹太人征服。”

    好的,但我不明白为什么这是险恶的。 犹太复国主义对欧洲犹太人的批评很大一部分是他们太聪明,不习惯体力劳动。

    在那个时代,体力劳动在精神上得到康复的想法是当前的(我相信从根本上来说是正确的)。

    犹太社区想在自己的土地和村庄里从事体力劳动。 没有人在谈论阻止阿拉伯人在自己的土地和村庄做同样的事情。

    现代农业技术将与阿拉伯农民分享,种植森林,更好地灌溉土地,造福每一个人。

    至于 Ahad Ha'am 的话,他实际上是一个过于敏感的自由主义者,但我很愿意承认,他目睹了犹太人对当地阿拉伯人的蔑视和不尊重。 通常很难从外部了解正在发生的事情。 当我旅行到印度时,我发现我到处都是乞be和进取的吹捧,如果我不采用比我想要的严厉得多的初始姿势,那我就会陷入麻烦。

    阿哈德说他目睹了犹太老板蔑视阿拉伯工人——但他怎么知道那些犹太老板没有通过经验发现,如果他们不这样做,这些工人就会利用他们?

    在第三世界,通常有一种极端等级的文化,老板对工人很严厉。 来自受庇护和纵容的西方生活方式,我发现太友善根本行不通。 你被利用了。 当地文化就是这样——你无法改造它。

    我不是在说犹太复国主义者是天使。 这两个群体之间存在巨大的文明分歧,随着时间的推移,这种分歧变得越来越明显,并且越来越清楚地表明,唯一的解决方案是分离。

    巴勒斯坦的阿拉伯土著人从来没有任何法律或道义上的义务去接受任何安排,甚至给犹太人留下一公顷土地,对他们的生存一直存有长期敌意,这就是为什么他们拒绝皮尔委员会的提议,而该提议给犹太人带来了更多的利益。犹太人拥有的土地面积是其合法拥有的土地的三倍;《 47分区计划》为犹太人分配的土地数量是其合法拥有的土地的约8倍。

    是他们拥有的土地的三倍,但空着的国家土地。 他们获得的土地比阿拉伯人合法拥有的土地多多少?

    当您知道事实并非如此时,您的举止就像有人要夺走阿拉伯人拥有的土地并将其交给犹太人一样。

    没有人拥有任何他不直接为自己和家人的生存而耕种的土地的“道德”权利。 从道德上讲,您只需要一个英亩的土地就可以养活家人,但是请说,是的,接下来的100英亩也是我的,并声称您拥有“道德”权利。 其他一切都是社会虚构的东西,即由人类创造的契约,即国家“拥有”大量空地的想法不是使用社会协议,而不是“事实”。 巴勒斯坦社区拥有永久性的,不用于养活自己的土地的“道德”权利的想法是不存在的,它只是一种社会协议,其依据是人类发明了关于包裹的一系列共同规则。出众神绿色的大地。 那片土地在哪里结束,它的边界是什么。 为什么突然在我们附近突然有另一群人称叙利亚人“拥有”土地。

    所有这些都是基于一套约定的规则,它们是社会契约。 他们没有客观现实。

    但是,这些社会规则具有道德层面。 只要公平地运用它们,就有一种不应轻视它们的感觉,因为它们促进了和平与稳定。

    巴勒斯坦是一个帝国的一部分-根据当时的社会规则,当地的阿拉伯社区根本不拥有周围的土地。 当然,拥有数百英里外您没有使用的土地是没有“道德”权利的。

    犹太人是按照当时的社会规则进来的。 几个国际委员会审查了这个问题,并得出结论认为,公平适用社会规则意味着将两个社区分开并给予每块空地。

    你基本上争论的不是“道德”权利或“自然”权利——而是你的社区决定社会规则的力量——并发明社会虚构——决定人类如何划分上帝的绿地。

    巴勒斯坦人也不是该地区的土著人。 就像地球上的每个人一样,我们都来自其他地方,最终来自非洲。

    通常考虑的社会规则的另一个方面是“民族”——一群具有显着特征的人,他们在特定地区生活了很长时间,并且他们的特征至少部分源自该地区。 但是巴勒斯坦的阿拉伯人与该地区其他地方的阿拉伯人没有区别,并且没有与居住在那里相关的身份。

    您的朋友塔拉(Talha)是根据公认的社会规则来到美国的,我相信芝加哥现在可能已经拥有财产。 假设华盛顿的美国政府解散–不再有社会规则的中央执行者维护社区之间的和平。 塔哈(Talha)和像他这样的人无法与该地区的其他群体相处。 发生了一次国际通婚,得出结论认为应该对两个社区进行分割,并在伊利诺伊斯州腾出空地。

    我是居住在纽约的美国原住民,是否拥有授予塔拉(Talha)社区伊利诺伊州空旷土地的“道德”权利?

    这些是社交游戏。 是你的社区不能接受它不再有权支配规则。

    这确实是一个相当薄弱的论点。 从本质上讲,您说的是,正式的政府活动版本对任何给定的历史的理解要比对尽可能多的主要原始材料的考察要好。

    瘸。

    不,我是说实际行为表现出的意图要比推测要好得多,而且必须做出全面的分析才能得出结论,而不是进行零散的分析。

    英国向犹太社区承诺了整个巴勒斯坦托管地,但一再愿意接受其中的一小部分,这立即证明了他们是一个天生具有扩张主义侵略性的社区的说法。

    仅凭这一事实就足够了。 而不是浏览晦涩难懂的信件,而要看看地面上的大事。

    • 回复: @geokat62
    , @AnonStarter
  167. Art 说:
    @AaronB

    如果批评犹太人影响的人没有立即变得疯狂和极端,就可以讨论犹太人的影响。

    更正:

    如果批评犹太人影响的人不会立即被犹太人指责为疯子和极端主义者,那么就可以讨论犹太人的影响。

    • 同意: silviosilver
    • 回复: @AaronB
  168. @Philip Giraldi

    拉瓦锡确实说得很好。

    如果我没记错的话,我认为观察是起源于大卫·杜克(尽管在假设中他使用的是意大利人而不是爱尔兰人)。 您有胆量祝贺杜克(Duke)的见识吗,菲尔(Phil)? 如果您不这样做,我不一定会反对。 我自己为此苦苦挣扎。 当我第一次遇到它时,我不得不同意这是一个很好的洞察力–在这种假设的情况下,无论您对意大利人有何想法,您至少都打算 注意 他们实际上是意大利人,而不仅仅是一些通用的“美国人”,但这使我想知道,通过同意这是一个很好的见解,我是否还以某种方式同意“纳粹党是对的”。

    我认为,杜克在很多方面都受到了不公正的侮辱,尤其是在他更温和的幌子下。 但是,我不得不说,他也一直相当受害。 毫无疑问,他的观点是在新纳粹主义的核心环境中形成的。 在那种残酷的世界观中,我们不仅必须被送去打包,我们还应因生活在离神圣白人(在当时绝大多数情况下定义为圣人)太近的巨大罪行中受到惩罚(甚至被杀)。盎格鲁撒克逊语/条顿语/北欧语)。 那你该怎么办? 如果您同意Italiain的假设是一个很好的见解,那么正确的做法就是这么说。 但是,这将要求您割断自己的嗓子是什么道德呢?

    因此,虽然很容易发出我们需要讨论或讨论的电话,但在您提前收费之前,您最好清楚地了解这一切可能会导致什么结果。

  169. @AaronB

    我只是担心要纠正这样的印象,即以色列从美国获得的赠予比其他任何人都多

    是的,我们知道,但是您没有这样做。 以色列接受美国20%的对外援助预算是公共记录中无可辩驳的问题,更不用说它从书本中得到了什么。 美国向其他国家提供军事援助的事实不支持您的论点,因为这些军事基地中的大多数并不是最初根据其所在国的邀请而建立的,也没有声称这些国家从所述占领中“受益”的主张考虑了这一点。事实上,除非他们想面对美国自身的巨大困难,否则他们在这件事上实际上没有发言权。

    显然,美国在支持自由民主国家打击世界范围内的自由政权方面有着令人印象深刻的记录。

    神学的修辞。

    美国在支持对其管理者的霸权目标友好的政权方面有着令人印象深刻的记录,在破坏和摧毁不听其路线的政体方面有着更令人印象深刻的记录。 正如无数例子所证明的那样,政治意识形态与此无关。 如果它认为暴君是权宜之计,它就会把自己的力量放在暴君身上,然后一有机会就甩掉他。

    当然,这是夸张的。

    不它不是。

    为了简洁起见,我仅举一个主要的例子:整个欧洲的法律,这些法律将有关第二次世界大战期间犹太人苦难的历史修正主义定为犯罪。 美国从未对所谓的“自由民主国家”实施过这样的公然攻击学术自由的制裁,从而在损害这些州公民自由的同时向以色列提供了帮助。

    自由民主国家不喜欢以色列而不愿言论自由。

    当然,由一个存在严重偏见且没有法律约束力的大会。

    不,由 安全理事会 其决议具有法律约束力。 检查您心爱的Wikipedia。

    以色列没有种族隔离制度。

    只有少数例子告诉我们否则:

    以色列城市重振历史使命,将阿拉伯人拒之门外
    以色列对恐怖分子的死刑将不适用于犹太人
    以色列对阿拉伯语言的战争
    “成千上万的人不能在以色列结婚”

    仅在地缘政治以色列中,就抛弃了无数种 法律歧视 大多数阿拉伯人经常面对。 被占领土本身提供 更多的证据 那掩盖了你的位置。

    象征性的阿拉伯人不适合你。 它们只是证明一般规则的例外。

    以色列只关心对自己的诽谤,而不关心学术自由或言论自由。

    废话。

    以色列希望依法惩处 合法,关于它的真实评论,完全等同于反犹太主义,例如“犹太人实际上在美国的政府,媒体,教育和金融机构中占主导地位。” 它已经通过了反对美国60%的受宪法保护的抵制的法律,而特朗普的《行政命令》有效地针对了美国校园的学术自由。

    我不承认任何追随这种脚步的穆斯林,我在这方面的看法在这里是一个可证实的记录问题。 然而,这些穆斯林甚至不具备犹太人在令人不寒而栗的言论自由方面的力量。

    在当今的自由民主国家中,以色列是言论自由最激进的唯一反对者-没有人反对。 期待其他民族国家更多 图夸克 bs旨在转移人们对这一事实的注意力。

    您在这里赢得了良好声誉的东西。

    • 同意: silviosilver, lavoisier
    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @lavoisier
  170. geokat62 说:
    @AaronB

    英国向犹太社区承诺了整个巴勒斯坦托管地,但一再愿意接受其中的一小部分,这立即证明了他们是一个天生具有扩张主义侵略性的社区的说法。

    仅凭这个事实就足够了。

    那个事实吗? 从喜欢呼吁诚实的hasbarist的嘴里出来吗?

    虽然你句子的前半部分——英国向犹太社区承诺了整个巴勒斯坦托管区——是真的,但后半部分——但[犹太社区]一再愿意接受其中的一小部分——是一个公然的谎言.

    摘录自 扩张主义国家? 以色列有没有打算遵守1947年《分区计划》或1967年边界的意图?:

    以色列创世神话中一个破旧的章节解释了它的征服:1947年181月,联合国提议将巴勒斯坦分为两个国家(大会第XNUMX号决议),以色列的创建者对此表示感谢,而巴勒斯坦人对此表示嘲笑。袭击了刚刚起步的“犹太国家”。

    这种所谓的巴勒斯坦不妥协的结果是什么? 正如 CAMERA 的亲以色列医生所说,“基本事实”是,如果巴勒斯坦人接受分治,那么自 1948 年以来就会有一个巴勒斯坦国,“并且不会有一个巴勒斯坦难民”。

    这不仅仅是七年来帝国主义和种族清洗的怪异合理化; 这是历史的发明。 犹太复国主义运动从来没有任何打算比巴勒斯坦所有国家更能“放弃”它的协议。 像“温和的” Chaim Weizmann和标志性的David Ben-Gurion这样的主流领导人假装接受分区,因为它给了他们足够强大的武器来击败分区:建国……

    https://www.juancole.com/2019/10/expansionist-intention-partition.html

    如果您真的对 FACTS 感兴趣,请阅读本文的其余部分,而您显然对此并不感兴趣。

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
  171. Art 说:
    @AaronB

    说美国只为以色列加入 ME 与声称以色列获得的援助比说日本或德国更多一样是愚蠢的。

    AaronB 写的每一句话背后都有一个谎言。

    我们在日本和德国都有军队,所以二战后他们不必重新武装自己。

    以色列则发生了相反的情况–我们对他们的资助越多,他们就变得越好战,越好战。

    • 谢谢: AnonStarter
  172. @AaronB

    以色列是一个自由民主国家

    这是它努力向世界描绘的形象,以获取您引用的好处,但它并不是真正的自由民主。 从根本上说,它是一个犹太民主国家,这是一种非常不同的动物。

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  173. @AaronB

    没有人在谈论阻止阿拉伯人在他们自己的土地和村庄做同样的事情。

    Jabotinsky 更诚实:“我们可以告诉他们(阿拉伯人)我们想要的任何关于我们目标的纯真,淡化和甜蜜,但他们知道我们想要什么。” 我们可以引用其他人也同样坦率地发言,但您可能会声称他们是“断章取义”的。 不难。

    你对 Ha'am 观察的合理化已经得到了适当的注意,但它实际上表明犹太复国主义者从一开始就觉得必须采取侵略性,以获得更大的以色列。

    至于由来已久的“国有土地”论点,它已被拆除并被证明是似是而非。 同样,为简洁起见,我建议您参考以下分析:

    在合法性的指导下:西岸的国有土地宣言

    巴勒斯坦人也不是该地区的土著人。 就像地球上的每个人一样,我们都来自其他地方,最终来自非洲。

    哈哈

    如果我见过它,那就是抓稻草。

    不,我是说实际行为表现出的意图要比推测要好得多,而且必须做出全面的分析才能得出结论,而不是进行零散的分析。

    啊,但这正是我所做的,也正是你所做的 不能 的事。

    通常,您会断言没有任何佐证证据。 你经常无视综合分析,只提出最脆弱的猜想。

    以机智, [t]英国向犹太社区承诺了整个巴勒斯坦托管地,是 不能 既定事实。 很纯 哈斯巴拉,在受人尊敬的学术界不值得考虑的赤裸裸的宣传。

    你是你批评的缩影,亚伦。 甚至你对启蒙运动后时代不人道的华丽哀叹与你对以色列犯罪的无情辩护并列时,也显得空洞。

    医师,自愈。

    • 回复: @AaronB
  174. AaronB 说:
    @AnonStarter

    是的,我们知道,但你没有这样做。 以色列接受了美国 20% 的对外援助预算,这是无可辩驳的公共记录,更不用说它从账面中获得了什么。

    当然。 日本不必再拥有一支真正的军队而节省的数十亿美元也已记录在册。 成千上万为越南和韩国牺牲的美国士兵也在书上。 美国也保证台湾再次受到入侵,这也有记载。 数字不会说谎。 美国的其他大多数受益者比以色列获得了更优惠的待遇。

    声称这些国家从所述占领中“受益”的说法也没有考虑到它们在此事上实际上没有发言权的事实,除非他们想面对美国自身的巨大困难。

    .

    美国可以坚持日本根据国家在国防上的平均支出向美国支付一定比例的经济。

    如果韩国要求美国关闭其基地,我认为它不会面临来自美国的任何困难。

    美国在支持对其管理者的霸权目标友好的政权方面有着令人印象深刻的记录,在破坏和摧毁不听其路线的政体方面有着更令人印象深刻的记录。 正如无数个例子所证明的那样,政治意识形态与此无关。 如果它认为暴君是权宜之计,那么它就会全力支持暴君,然后一有机会就甩掉他。

    这是一个非同寻常的声明。 我敢肯定,如果将美国支持的所有政权统计一下,大多数(如果不是全部)都会比他们所对抗的任何人都更加自由,其中大多数是彻底的自由民主国家。

    在我的头顶上,我可以想到第一次和第二次世界大战中的欧洲、越南、韩国、台湾和以色列。

    现在,美国肯定会与一个强人结盟对抗一个更糟糕的强人,然后在以后反对。 这与支持自由主义的政策是一致的。

    我可能错了,但我想不出美国支持一个反对自由民主的非自由政权的例子。

    你可能认为这完全是一场骗局,其背后的一切都是正义的强权政治,但显而易见的事实就是显而易见的。

    为了简洁起见,我仅举一个主要的例子:整个欧洲的法律,这些法律将有关第二次世界大战期间犹太人苦难的历史修正主义定为犯罪。 美国从未对所谓的“自由民主国家”实施制裁,因为它公然侵犯了学术自由,从而在损害以色列公民自由的同时帮助了以色列。

    我发现这是一个非常出色的示例供您选择。

    众所周知,宽容的自由主义原则偶尔会与言论自由或促进友好的自由主义原则发生冲突。 每个自由国家都可以在一定范围内在相互冲突的自由原则之间协商自己的妥协。

    很明显,关于第二次世界大战中犹太人苦难的修正主义通常被用来促进犹太人的不容忍。 因此,支持所有社区的宽容显然是一个宽松的原则。

    我个人不支持将修正主义定罪,但我可以理解其他人也可以基于自由主义原则得出不同的结论。

    自由民主国家不喜欢以色列而不愿言论自由。

    当然不是。 但是,促进宽容是一个宽松的原则。

    不,由其决议具有法律约束力的安全理事会执行。 检查你心爱的维基百科

    请告诉我以色列违反了哪些安理会决议。 并且通过 SC 的正式声明(不仅仅是您的解释)承认这一点。

    以色列没有种族隔离制度。

    只有少数例子告诉我们否则:

    好吧,根据定义,少数情况不能告诉我们其他情况。 我们需要一个全面的分析。 每个系统都有弊端,每个系统都有与其主要原则相矛盾的元素,这就是为什么我们必须查看所有事实,而不仅仅是选择一些事实。

    你有一个坏的智力习惯,试图用单一的例子来描述复杂的情况。

    无论哪种方式,我都可以看到您的文章有问题。 例如,第二篇文章——这意味着 以色列人 不能因为恐怖主义被判死刑,犹太人不行。 以色列阿拉伯人同样具有免疫力。 这是技术性的结果,因为它仅适用于军事法庭而不适用于民事法庭。 它被提议立法。 我不认为它通过了。

    以色列希望依法惩处对此的合法,真实的评论,将其与反犹太主义完全等同于事实事实,例如“犹太人实际上支配着美国的政府,媒体,教育和金融机构。” 已经通过了针对美国60%的受宪法保护的抵制的法律,而特朗普的《行政命令》有效地针对了美国校园的学术自由。

    首先,我认为是美国犹太人社区领导着这些努力,而不是以色列。 虽然我确信以色列对此很满意。

    其次,我同意你的观点,我不支持这些对言论的限制。 我不支持目前席卷全球的任何限制。

    没有推动将言论或抵制定为犯罪。 说出你想要的,抵制你想要的。 有一项法律规定,美国政府机构及其雇员(包括公立学校)不得参与此类针对犹太人和以色列的活动。

    再说一次,以色列只是试图限制对自己的负面言论,尤其是旨在摧毁以色列的极端言论。 尽管我不同意这一点,但对于大多数普通美国人而言,这并不重要,也不是在广泛的社会问题上压制言论并有效地建立自由社会的广泛基础。 穆斯林社会确实需要基础广泛的社会治安。

    诚然,穆斯林现在没有权力实施伊斯兰教法,但如果可以的话,他们会这样做。 这对大多数普通美国人来说是一个更大的威胁。

    因此,虽然以色列确实在试图限制对自己的负面言论方面发挥了作用,但仅仅因为这是你的让步问题就说它是对言论自由的最大威胁是错误的。

    您在这里享有盛誉的东西

    我什么时候表达过压制言论自由的愿望? 当我嘲笑你的朋友塔尔哈时,你威胁要起诉我。

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
  175. @geokat62

    爱你的热情,geo,但英国从未向犹太社区承诺过所有的巴勒斯坦:

    世界从来没有在整个巴勒斯坦支持过一个犹太国家

    海姆·魏兹曼(Haim Weizmann)在1919年著名地宣布,随着大规模的犹太移民,巴勒斯坦最终将成为“像英国人一样的犹太人”。 英国断然拒绝魏茨曼的评估。 1922年XNUMX月的白皮书在提到魏茨曼的预言时指出,Ma下政府“没有这样的目标”。 此外,英国政府从未考虑过“巴勒斯坦阿拉伯人口,语言或文化的消失或从属”。 英国重申,《巴尔福宣言》不是“考虑将整个巴勒斯坦改建为犹太民族之家,而应在巴勒斯坦建立这样的家”。 [重点补充]

    保持良好的斗争。

    • 回复: @geokat62
  176. AaronB 说:
    @Art

    这真的很麻烦,不是吗。

    什么被认为是疯狂的。

    对我来说,显然对自由社会中大多数体面的人来说,像安德鲁·乔伊斯最近发表的一篇文章那样,他说犹太人由于基因原因是不可救药的,这是疯狂的。

    这也不是邀请辩论和达成妥协或妥协,而是对少数人宣战。 同样,科林·赖特 (Colin Wright) 的论点是,不应将以色列视为一个可以改革而只能被消灭的国家,这是宣战而非达成妥协的邀请。

    这个站点上无数的文章将世界的邪恶归咎于犹太人。 现在可以对疯狂的标签提出争议——但这些都是客观上​​的极端立场。

    无论哪种方式,您都采取了极端方式偏离自由社会主流价值观的立场,并且没有留下太多妥协的余地,而是坚持极端立场的彻底胜利。

    很好,但是如果人们不辩论,您真的不应该感到惊讶。

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  177. anon[247]• 免责声明 说:

    你们犹太复国主义的懦夫让我吐绿色胆汁。 除了青铜时代的回归,没有人能说出这种狗屎:

    https://mondoweiss.net/2019/01/liberal-zionist-zealotry/

    阿莫斯·奥兹。 没有什么比愚蠢的犹太人更可悲的了。 所有犹太复国主义者都用他们退化的智力基因来制造这样的狗屎。 简单的悖论装扮成情绪诗,毫无意义的胡说八道,就像你在你的第一个变态笨蛋弹出时从你的小鸡摇摆的kiddyfuck 拉比那里听到的一些死语言一样。

    去你的犹太州死亡崇拜。 约旦河上的琼斯镇。 不再为你提供帮助。

    • 回复: @geokat62
  178. @AnonStarter

    以色列是当今自由民主国家中言论自由的唯一最激进的反对者-没有人反对。 着眼于其他民族国家只是为了转移人们对这一事实的注意力。

    卓越的图书燃烧器!

  179. AaronB 说:
    @AnonStarter

    雅伯汀斯基是一个极端主义者。 每个国家都有。

    您链接到的文章讨论的是西岸的土地,而不是 1948 年之前的整个巴勒斯坦。

    此外,它依赖于奥斯曼法,该法显然允许大片未开垦的土地属于村庄。 在这个时代没有理由适用奥斯曼法律。 社会规则发生了变化。

    今天,在我看来,当地阿拉伯人唯一拥有道德主张的土地是他们耕种和生活的土地。 我不相信将任何人赶出家门或剥夺他们的可能性。 在我看来,一个声称拥有数百块未开垦土地的阿拉伯地主已不再应该受到尊重。 社交游戏的规则已经改变,一个被一些奥斯曼贵族奖励的拥有大量财产的人不是现代以色列应该尊重的。 以色列确实承认私人所有权的要求远远超过我的建议,这一点很重要。 各州行使征用权。

    您去过西岸吗? 我有。 它大部分是开阔的未耕地。 多数人归巴勒斯坦人“拥有”的想法在道德上是没有根据的,并且在改变的社会规则方面没有任何意义(一些奥斯曼帝国贵族以财产来回报他的最爱,以色列应该尊重这一点。)

    巴勒斯坦人也不是该地区的土著人。 就像地球上的每个人一样,我们都来自其他地方,最终来自非洲。

    哈哈

    如果我见过它,我会抓着稻草

    我真的很好奇——什么时候职业会变得合法?

    我们知道当地的阿拉伯人是随着阿拉伯人的征服而来的。 几百年来最有可能绕。 巴勒斯坦没有犹太人大规模皈依的记录,这肯定会被穆斯林历史学家记录为他们信仰的功劳。

    甚至在阿拉伯征服之前,它就在基督教的控制之下,并接收了许多虔诚的非犹太人移民。

    此外,我们知道它从来都不是任何拥有它的帝国的“中心”,而是贸易路线上相对被忽视的死水。 这些地方往往被视为人口的定期流动。

    但实际上,我们可以将其应用到世界上任何地方。 印第安纳州可以要求美国回来吗? 撒克逊人能驱逐诺曼人吗? 为什么不?

    谁制定了这些规则? 他们只是制定了社会规则吗?

    当世界陷入混乱、帝国解体、规则重新洗牌时,还有机会可以利用吗?

    通常,您会断言没有任何佐证证据。 你经常无视综合分析,只提出最脆弱的猜想。

    我必须保证这是正确的,但是当我这样做时,我并不假装在做任何其他事情。 有一个地方可以用较广泛的笔触绘画图片。 它更具诗意。

    当我这样做时,你完全有权告诉我我没有证明我的案子,我会承认我没有试图证明。

    但是你提供了选择性的片段作为整个故事的证据。 最后,我只是告诉你你还没有证明你的案子。

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
  180. geokat62 说:
    @AnonStarter

    爱你的激情,地理……

    谢谢,欣赏。

    ……但英国从未向犹太社区承诺过所有的托管巴勒斯坦地区:

    在我从链接到同一篇文章的这篇文章中找到这篇文章之前,我一直在想同样的事情:

    到 1919 年,像魏茨曼这样的激进分子已经对英国未能从地中海到约旦河建立一个犹太复国主义国家感到恼火——作为一个开始——因此推动非犹太人的“全面移民计划”以结束种族清洗并完成。 公众的谎言仍然得到维护; 英国上校理查德迈纳茨哈根向魏茨曼保证,真正的计划“仍然不向公众公布”。

    有趣的报价,对吧? 因此,似乎 Perfidious Albion 在公开场合说一件事,私下说另一件事。

    保持良好的斗争。

    同样。

    • 谢谢: AnonStarter
  181. geokat62 说:
    @anon

    去你的犹太州死亡崇拜。 约旦河上的琼斯镇。 不再为你提供帮助。

    弗兰,是你吗?

  182. AaronB 说:
    @silviosilver

    好吧,从长远来看,以色列当然比阿拉伯敌人更加自由。

    与欧洲和美国相比,它被定义为犹太民主制这一事实无疑使其不那么自由,但在实践中,其公民社会和法律和政治体系往往是极其自由的。

    • 回复: @Art
  183. @AaronB

    在这个时代没有理由适用奥斯曼法律。 社会规则发生了变化。

    不,亚伦。 你不会只在你愿意的时候才适用国际法,如果你对它有所了解,你就会明白国际法是标准,奥斯曼土地法仍然是确定巴勒斯坦土地所有权的法律手段。 甚至以色列法院 名义上 承认这一点,如果在实践中不一致。

    我想起你自己的话:

    你基本上争论的不是“道德”权利或“自然”权利——而是你的社区决定社会规则的力量——并发明社会虚构——决定人类如何划分上帝的绿地。

    您的论点的精髓在于,您希望巴勒斯坦的阿拉伯人简单地承认失败并承认以色列对他们从未有权拥有的土地的所有权,而在法律和军事上,战斗仍在继续。

    你提到的所有其他土地纠纷都以某种方式解决了,因此,与巴勒斯坦问题无关。

    但是你提供了选择性的片段作为整个故事的证据。

    不是关于整个故事,而是作为破坏标准的证据 哈斯巴拉 叙事在主流中得到推广。

    我欢迎建设性的批评。 例如,如果您实际上能够提供某种可验证的证据来支持您对Hashomer的存在或Ahad Ha'am的观察的猜想,那么我们 可能 欣赏这是充实更大图景的一种手段。

    但你不会那样做。 相反,你故意混淆视听和撒谎。 对我“提供选择性片段作为整个故事的证据”的指控就是这方面的现成证据。 你有一个工作记忆,我在这里提供了比“选择性片段”更多的材料供我的观众回顾——材料来自可验证的、通常被认可的学术来源。 我非常有信心它的全面总结提供了一个针对以色列的可靠案例。

    话虽如此,我确实很感激您这样的让步,即您经常不理会全面的分析,只对最简单的猜想进行任何改进。 它当然会将您的评论置于正确的角度。

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @Talha
  184. anon[306]• 免责声明 说:

    AaronB是原始文化的产物,缺乏参与当代文明的伦理习惯。 据人权委员会的杰出民选专家称,他的国家没有真诚地解释其具有约束力的人权承诺。

    https://www.ohchr.org/EN/Countries/MENARegion/Pages/ILIndex.aspx

    这意味着按照文明世界的法律标准《锡拉库扎原则》,以色列不是一个民主国家,该原则将民主社会定义为符合《世界人权宣言》的一个民主社会。 以色列不遵守《公民权利和政治权利国际公约》和《世界人权宣言》,这意味着它甚至不是一个法律上的主权国家,因为根据执行保护责任的法律标准,主权是责任。

    为了证明犯下最严重的罪行是正当的,以色列的返祖文化将自己的种族灭绝病态投射到包括土著巴勒斯坦人在内的外群体身上。 它在以色列的刑事灭绝事业中向其儿童灌输:

    https://mondoweiss.net/2017/05/israeli-children-brainwashed/

    以色列是国际社会的癌症,它已经改变了前现代犹太神权制度,产生了一个凶残,野蛮的民族。 这就是为什么像AaronB这样的狂热分子无法从事理性话语的原因。 他们根本无法掌握世界文明的基础。 这些穴居人与文明世界没有共同点。 它们是人道的人种。

    TLDR AaronB:Ugga bugga。 Izzies 和他们的国际第五纵队不能超过这个水平。

  185. AaronB 说:
    @AnonStarter

    不,亚伦。 你不会只在你愿意时才适用国际法,如果你对此有所了解,你就会明白国际法是标准,奥斯曼土地法仍然是确定巴勒斯坦土地所有权的法律手段。 即使在实践中不一致,即使以色列法院也名义上承认这一点

    例如,如果有些奥斯曼帝国贵族将一块巨大的土地赠予了一些偏爱的保留者,那对我来说是没有意义的,以色列法院今天应该承认。

    您的论点是,您希望巴勒斯坦阿拉伯人在法律和军事上仍在继续战斗的同时,简单地承认失败并承认以色列从未拥有过的土地的以色列所有权,

    我想指出,阿拉伯人对于他们没有耕种的土地没有“道德”案例,或自然权利案例。

    阿拉伯人想要的是“拥有”大量他们不用作国家和民族社区的土地。 我当然理解这一愿望,但这是一种政治愿望,而不是一种道德愿望。

    政治分歧通常通过妥协来解决,但从 1937 年开始,阿拉伯人无法接受犹太人获得的土地甚至很少。

    我想知道阿拉伯人是否会允许犹太人保留他们正在使用的实际土地并因此成为一个独立的社区? 似乎不太可能。

    无论哪种方式,犹太人都一再愿意妥协。 阿拉伯人没有。 缺乏道义上的主张,这仅表明阿拉伯人仍然拥有强大的权力意志-这不是世界上最邪恶的事物,但没有达到时代的要求。

    你提到的所有其他土地纠纷都以某种方式解决了,因此,与巴勒斯坦问题无关。

    好的,但是他们是根据什么原则解决的呢? 简单的军事实力? 印度人似乎就是这种情况。

    如果明天出现华盛顿无法统治的新情况,印度人能否重申他们的主张?

    这里适用的原则、规则和指导方针是什么? 曼宁发明了社会规则来帮助他避免冲突——但如果系统崩溃,规则可能会改变,或者可能会有新的机会。

    是的,现在美国军队的力量阻止了印度人提出索赔。 但如果这一切都消失了呢。

    不是关于整个故事,而是作为破坏主流中提倡的标准哈斯巴拉叙述的证据

    好吧,使用这些例子来表明我提供的任何叙述都没有涵盖整个故事是合法的。 为此,一个反例就足够了。 所以这是公平的。 但是使用部分数据集来表征整个情况是滥用它。 但如果你只是想表明我的叙述是不完整的,并且没有涵盖所有案例,那在我的书中是完全公平的。

    我欢迎建设性的批评。 例如,如果您确实能够提供某种可验证的证据来支持您对 Hashomer 存在的猜想或 Ahad Ha'am 的观察,我们可能会认为这是充实更大图景的一种手段。

    嗯,我不知道这是否是有确凿证据的那种事情。 我依靠我对第三世界状况的个人知识来建议可能发生的事情,以及我对敏感的自由主义者的经验,他们经常误解复杂和困难的情况,并将它们简化为简单的道德故事。

    也许有权限的历史学家可以搜索当时的日记和信件,看看雇佣阿拉伯人的犹太老板是否在强硬之前谈论过被利用。 据我所知,老实说,这已经完成了。 我应该搜索以色列的社会学历史。

    至于哈索默尔的态度,这种态度在现代以色列政治中也时有发生。 让阿拉伯人认为你疯了,这样他们就不会惹你了。 理由很明确——一个资源有限、无法承受缓慢消耗战的脆弱小国必须以更大的侵略性应对威胁。

    因此,Hashomer 的行为是出于我解释的原因,这在内部似乎不言而喻。

    话虽如此,我确实很感激你经常无视综合分析,只提出最脆弱的猜想。 它肯定会将您的评论置于正确的角度

    .

    是的,我经常发现详细和非常彻底的分析太乏味,或者不是我当时想要做的。 我认为人们可以自己查找细节。 我通常更喜欢在我认为合适的哲学背景下描绘大图或构图。 但不总是。 有时一个好的彻底的分析是事情。

  186. Talha 说:
    @AnonStarter

    您的论点的精髓在于,您希望巴勒斯坦的阿拉伯人简单地承认失败并承认以色列对他们从未有权拥有的土地的所有权,而在法律和军事上,战斗仍在继续。

    我们不能团结一致一直是一个问题,在我们这样做之前,这种情况将一直保持下去:

    诉诸一个对忽视它没有影响的法律框架——当你碰巧是特权国家之一时——是浪费时间。 资源和时间最好花在别处。

    尽管一些海湾阿拉伯的无名氏(在发现石油之前甚至不是历史悠久的国家)已经热切地报名了……这是一个好兆头,大多数乌玛人已经决定这仍然是一个悬而未决的案例。

    和平:

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
  187. @Talha

    我们不能团结一致一直是一个问题,并且在我们这样做之前将一直如此。

    是的,“让我们一起行动”可以通过多种方式完成,包括——但不限于——直接记录历史记录并将其事实传达给美国观众。 呈现不平等的现实并不是“抱怨和抱怨”。 这是教学。

    美国是赢得巴勒斯坦斗争的主要战场,因为它是支撑以色列的美国慷慨之举。 通知美国人,你正在努力 圣战 可以与剑媲美。

    鉴于他们的信念,美国穆斯林应该在这场斗争中扮演重要角色。 它们既有事实,又有足够的力量为以色列的游说团体提供反补贴力量。 他们似乎缺乏影响这一目标的意愿和奉献精神,这很可能是因为其中许多人并不宣称美国是自己的。

    在这种情况发生之前,请期待美国的外交政策将继续下去,就像许多月球一样。

    was-salaam。

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @Colin Wright
  188. Athena 说:

    如果需要进一步确认伊拉克战争的起源,则可以求助于菲利普·泽里科夫(Philip Zelikow)

    不要忘记这些:

    “当Chilcot的调查结果于2016年公布时,他们不仅描绘了布莱尔的举动,而且描绘了他的前外交大臣杰克·斯特劳的令人震惊的景象。

    调查结束; “萨达姆侯赛因没有对英国构成紧急威胁,关于[伊拉克]大规模杀伤性武器的情报报告被毫无根据地确定,战争是不必要的,英国破坏了联合国安理会的权威。”

    目标:从视角看待战争罪
    http://espritdecorps.ca/on-target-4/on-target-putting-war-crimes-in-perspective

    我敢打赌,他们将利用加拿大进行伊朗的下一次十字军东征。 毕竟,为什么不这样呢?在布加德上校和他的220枚激光制导炸弹的带领下,在利比亚的Desmarais-Rothschild的野生动物园中一切顺利。

    魁北克是法国-英国与巴黎MEK朋友之间的纽带。

    关于利比亚的罗斯柴尔德-德斯马莱野生动物园的一个有趣事实:

    =联合国从未授权北约投掷炸弹和参与战斗 但这正是他们立即开始做的事情。 北约盟军特遣部队由加拿大中将查尔斯·布沙尔 (Charles Bouchard) 指挥。 在外交方面,驱逐卡扎菲的国际努力由加拿大外交部长约翰贝尔德带头。

    尽管部署了有史以来最先进的空中武器库,北约的利比亚叛军盟友仍然花了近 10 个月的时间才击败了卡扎菲的支持者。 20 年 2011 月 XNUMX 日,正是北约的空袭让利比亚叛军俘虏了卡扎菲,并在苏尔特街头残忍地杀害了他。

    目标:从视角看待战争罪
    http://espritdecorps.ca/on-target-4/on-target-putting-war-crimes-in-perspective

    • 谢谢: geokat62
  189. @AaronB

    好吧,如果你的目标是用狡猾的骗局和骗局让我们厌烦流泪,那么你肯定已经做到了。

    让我们看看,从哪里开始...

    很明显,关于第二次世界大战中犹太人苦难的修正主义通常被用来促进犹太人的不容忍。 因此,支持所有社区的宽容显然是一个宽松的原则。

    不,这是 不能 相当明显。

    很明显的是,以色列——我在这里使用这个词最初的用法,指的是犹太人 散居 ——担心对这个话题的公开讨论会破坏宣传机器,它依靠它来获得对其非法占领巴勒斯坦的同情。

    将历史修正主义定为刑事犯罪并不“支持宽容”,而是强迫人们接受 不可忍耐 二战期间犹太人受苦的主题所涉及的学术自由。

    请告诉我以色列违反了哪些安理会决议。

    https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/01/27/rogue-state-israeli-violations-of-u-n-security-council-resolutions/

    无论哪种方式,我都可以看到您的文章有问题。 例如,第二条——这意味着以色列人不能因恐怖主义而被判死刑,而不是犹太人。 以色列阿拉伯人同样具有免疫力。

    文章标题本身掩盖了您的主张:

    利库德来源:以色列对恐怖分子的死刑不适用于 犹太人

    一位参与将利伯曼的以色列拜泰努党纳入执政联盟的谈判的利库德集团消息人士表示,即将上任的国防部长阿维格多·利伯曼寻求对恐怖行为中的谋杀判处死刑将仅适用于军事法庭。

    利伯曼要求他的政党加入政府的这一举动将有效地排除其适用 反对犹太人。 ......

    这位不愿透露姓名的消息人士指出,被控犯有恐怖罪行的巴勒斯坦人在以色列军事法庭受到起诉,而被控对巴勒斯坦人犯下类似罪行的犹太人通常在以色列民事法庭受审。

    但即使法律从未通过,我也提供了大量证据的链接,这些证据证明以色列是种族隔离政权,所以你声称我只是提供信息“片段”来证明这一事实是错误的。 这里的每个读者都可以自己看到。

    所存在的法律是,美国政府机构及其雇员(包括公立学校)不得参与针对犹太人和以色列的此类活动。

    从表面上看,该法律是违反宪法的,这是巡回法院在对国家提起法律诉讼的五起案件中的四起。

    对于大多数普通美国人来说,这几乎无关紧要,也不是普遍希望压制关于一系列社会问题的言论并有效地创造一个不自由的社会

    由于犹太人对美国媒体和教育的统治,它“对大多数普通美国人来说并不关心”。 你是在和一个从内部了解美国学术环境的人谈话,所以你可以不让我们对此事发表意见。

    我们在这里畅所欲言,因为在其他地方这样做会构成职业自杀。 这也是以色列在学术界营造不自由环境的结果。 希望这个网站的访问量增加——以及禁果综合症——会让更多的美国人清醒过来,让地面游戏变得更好。

    当我嘲笑你的朋友塔拉时,你扬言要起诉我。

    不,我不会做这样的事情,因为这种威胁本身就是可行的攻击。

    我所做的是指出 潜力 基于您针对 Talha 的过度情绪爆发而提起的诉讼。 然后你偷偷溜到一个公开的话题上,开始发泄你对整件事的沮丧,辩称你的陈述是受保护的言论,而它的措辞方式可能会被美国法院解释为可验证的,因此,可能会诽谤。

    无论如何,已经很晚了,您的手脚变得很累。 晚安

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @AaronB
  190. Talha 说:
    @AnonStarter

    美国是赢得巴勒斯坦战争的主要战场

    随着美国的明星逐渐淡出国际舞台,情况可能会或可能不会如此:
    美国在国内的问题越来越多……人们已经厌倦了国外的冒险。 你认为塔利班在美国这些年来每百万花费了多少美元?

    在这种情况发生之前,请期待美国的外交政策将继续下去,就像许多月球一样。

    兄弟,你打了很多钉子。 我几乎没有信心,美国将在短期内解决这个问题。 长期……意味着在此之后可能会有很多卫星-但我没有屏住呼吸。

    我并不是说通知美国公众是在浪费时间。 我确实认为,试图诉诸国际法似乎是死胡同。 以色列随时随地都无视它,而基本上只是决定建立并吞并西岸。 然后决定不这样做,以得到两个假国家的政治承认。 他们可以在5年后再次这样做,然后声称他们正在做出“让步”; “如果您的邻居愿意邀请我共进晚餐,看看我有多好,我会同意不带电视。”

    是bakwas,yaar。

    一些穆斯林确实会发牢骚和抱怨,这很可悲。

    在这一点上,穆斯林团结至为重要,因为首先是要防止最初的问题。 美国之所以在中东和非洲具有影响力,是因为各个国家不团结在一起(多个穆斯林国家是未经其允许就不会发动对伊拉克的袭击的集结地)。

    在这方面,我认为土耳其是关键。 您在土耳其(对吗?),民众似乎准备推动政府打破与以色列的外交关系吗?

    他们似乎缺乏影响这一目标的意愿和奉献精神,这很可能是因为其中许多人并不宣称美国是自己的。

    当外国人将他们的问题带到这里时,许多阿拉伯和德西移民将很容易被解雇,这就是事实。 随着土地数量的增加,这片土地上的原住民将从穆斯林那里得到的收益要好得多。 我从来没有遇到过一个亲以色列的穆斯林convert依者(而且我遇到过很多)。

    瓦萨拉姆。

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
  191. @AaronB

    “……上帝赐给我们祝福,使我们拥有曾经有过的最愚蠢的敌人,他们的恶意使他们变得盲目。”

    我一直在注意,最讨厌犹太人的是犹太人对社区整体整体身份的最依恋。

    …也许只是我们鄙视的你,亚伦。 那是可能的。

  192. @AaronB

    “……让我知道中国人何时获得了以色列的F-35。”

    那会很明显,不是吗? 我想中国会适应电子产品等。

    …关于为哈马斯提供的以色列核潜艇,(a)以色列是否有核潜艇,(b)哈马斯将核潜艇基地设在哪里,以及(c)哈马斯将如何支付?

    但是你处理(a)和(b),我很乐意为(c)筹钱。 我总是支持一个好的事业。

  193. @AnonStarter

    '......美国是赢得巴勒斯坦战争的主要战场,因为支撑以色列的是美国的慷慨。 努力通知美国人,你正在发动与剑相媲美的圣战……”

    我宁愿以这种方式获胜。

    不幸的是,我担心当我们变得太软弱、太孤立、太远离世界其他地方而无法继续培养我们的创造时,它就会获胜。

    以色列之所以消失,不是因为我们会意识到自己的错误,而是因为我们拒绝到只不过是一种北半球巴西的地步。 具有讽刺意味的是,这之所以会发生,部分原因是因为我们非常支持以色列-但这并不是我们的功劳。

    我们将失败,并且将这样做,而无需救赎自己。

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
  194. 穆斯林团结在这一点上是最重要的,因为它首先是为了防止最初的问题。 美国在中东有影响力是因为各国不团结

    这实际上是“哈里发”水平的言论。 令人难以置信的是,Talha 竟然能够在这个网站上将自己伪装成某种温和的人。 谈到伊斯兰教,右翼反以色列的受骗者似乎和左翼反以色列的受骗者一样厚。

    (多个穆斯林国家是袭击伊拉克的集结地,没有他们的许可,它不会经过)

    这几乎就像在任何特定情况下,宗教不一定是人们最重要的考虑因素。 好奇怪啊。

    当外国人将他们的问题带到这里时,许多阿拉伯和德西移民将很容易被解雇,这就是事实。 随着土地数量的增加,这片土地上的原住民将从穆斯林那里得到的收益要好得多。 我从来没有遇到过一个亲以色列的穆斯林convert依者(而且我遇到过很多)。

    这可能是一个因素,但是,另一方面,在其等级中拥有穆斯林少数群体的历史最悠久的种族群体从未完全设法完全信任他们。 他们以各种方式被接受和尊重,但从来没有被认为是真正的产品。 因此,我敢打赌,在未来很长一段时间内,诽谤者仍将是唯一真诚地将穆斯林视为真正的美国人的人。

    • 回复: @AaronB
    , @AnonStarter
  195. Anonymous[721]• 免责声明 说:
    @AaronB

    如果人们不辩论,你真的不应该感到惊讶。

    你没有意识到乔伊斯和其他人正在接受你的立场。 与你同类的辩论结束了。

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
  196. Talha 说:

    塔尔哈曾经能够把自己伪装成某种温和的人

    正常的、普通的穆斯林不想要更多的政治团结而不是现状的假设是某些西方人告诉自己的错误假设。 不是我们的错。 我想不出我遇到的任何一个穆斯林都不认为按照欧盟和北约的路线为穆斯林国家建立多国军事经济合作社是个好主意。

    在其队伍中拥有穆斯林少数民族历史最悠久的族群从未完全信任他们。

    可能是为什么穆斯林族群仍然是少数,否则——因为伊斯兰教是一种邀请性的信仰,随着时间的推移,大多数人只是变成了穆斯林。 我遇到过很多皈依者,他们自己的家庭一开始就充满敌意,但许多成员自己在一段时间后皈依了……这是一个数学游戏。

    和平:

  197. AaronB 说:
    @silviosilver

    这实际上是“哈里发”水平的言论。 令人难以置信的是,Talha 竟然能够在这个网站上将自己伪装成某种温和的人。 谈到伊斯兰教,右翼反以色列的受骗者似乎和左翼反以色列的受骗者一样厚。

    我被塔尔哈愚弄了很长时间。 他曾经制作过这些可爱的促进苏菲派和平的名言,当我发现他只是一名圣战分子时,我简直不敢相信。

    令人吃惊,但这里还是有人被他忽悠了。 问题是很多人只阅读了本网站的一部分。 所以 Audacious Epigone 上的人不会阅读这样的话题,在那里,他小心翼翼地展示了一个非常精心策划的形象。

    但真相终究会浮出水面。

  198. Wielgus 说:
    @vot tak

    1944年美国人在诺曼底使用重型轰炸机进行战术支援时,大量炸弹落在了美军身上。 他们发现了莱斯利·麦克奈尔上尉的衬衫领子的一部分,上面有三星级的徽章,但没有其他。 一百多名美国士兵被美国炸弹炸死,更多人受伤。

  199. @Talha

    随着美国的明星逐渐淡出国际舞台,情况可能会或可能不会如此

    你的观点很好,虽然我这样说是因为我不仅是穆斯林,我是美国人,而且 圣战 必须根据自己所处的地形进行。

    我确实认为试图诉诸国际法似乎是一个死胡同。

    这取决于。 最近,国际刑事法院对美国和通常的嫌疑人都提出了质疑,因为他们冒昧地对他们的战争罪行进行调查。 一些欧洲官员已表示支持调查以色列,并且似乎并没有被美国对他们施加的压力所吓倒。

    总的来说,我同意你的怀疑态度,但我仍然认为理解和传达这项法律的细节很重要,因为在这个领域,以色列经常混淆视听以说服其他人他们对巴勒斯坦的占领是合理的。 确实,大多数人可能对 Yehuda Blum 1968 年的“缺少修订者”论文不感兴趣,但它仍然是以色列窃取土地的主要论点之一,因此揭露其谬论是有目的的。

    一些穆斯林确实会发牢骚和抱怨,这很可悲。

    嗯,我不能反驳这个。 有很多人在谈论美国和以色列,但他们甚至从来没有为他们的五个人提供地毯。

    美国在中东有影响,因为各国不团结(多个穆斯林国家是袭击伊拉克的集结地,没有他们的许可,它不会经过)。

    当然,那是这些国家的公民解决的问题,因为那里的生命和财产受到威胁。 为了说服沙特阿拉伯人摆脱他们的伪君子领袖,将美国带到路边,并组织将以色列的脚踩在火上,我无能为力。 对我来说,这不是艰巨的努力,而且我所承受的负担没有更大。

    在这方面,我认为土耳其是关键。

    也许,主愿意。

    不过,我不在那儿,所以我现在无法真正确定他们目前在这方面的位置。

    一群阿拉伯和德西移民很容易被认为是将问题带到这里的外国人——这就是现实。

    首先,如果他们长期在这里,他们应该成为公民,这并不难。 第二,如果“外国人把他们的问题带到这里来”这么容易被驳回,那么巴勒斯坦的以色列如何在美国享有这样的影响力?

    但是,所有这一切实际上都没有意义:作为美国人-甚至是合法的永久居民-穆斯林在美国政府的行为方式上有发言权。 不管Joe Six Pack怎么想,这都是他们的权利。 他们必须拥有它,并且对此无所畏惧。

    穆斯林美国人需要证明巴勒斯坦不仅仅是一个穆斯林问题,而是一个 美国人 一。 用他们能理解的语言与人们交谈,让他们看到霸权主义喷发的霸权野心的危害,让他们知道他们的税金正在补贴什么样的屠杀,破坏和种族隔离,以及是否质疑我们的信仰及其实践,让他们了解伊斯兰教是什么,而不是它的敌人认为它是什么。

    以色列也许会找到一个更强大的水le东道国,但是至少我们会尽力在神的眼中尽早摆脱它。

    was-salaam。

  200. AaronB 说:
    @AnonStarter

    文章标题本身掩盖了您的主张:

    利库德集团资料来源:以色列对恐怖分子的死刑不适用于犹太人

    好吧,您试图将其描述为基于种族的区别,而实际上它是基于公民身份的区别。

    根据该拟议法律,在西岸对巴勒斯坦人发动恐怖袭击的美国犹太人也将在军事法庭受审,并可能判处死刑。

    在以色列实施恐怖袭击的以色列阿拉伯人或基督徒将在民事法庭受审,根据拟议的法律,不会被判处死刑。

    这些微妙的扭曲随着时间的推移变得显着。

    你关于安理会的链接表明,标准委对以色列的一些行动“持批评态度”——这些都不是正式声明在法律上违反任何安理会决议,也没有法律约束力。

    由于犹太人对美国媒体和教育的统治,它“对大多数普通美国人来说并不关心”。 你是在和一个从内部了解美国学术环境的人谈话,所以你可以不让我们对此事发表意见。

    我很抱歉,但我认为普通美国人会发现他的日常生活受到伊斯兰教法的影响远比一些政府工作人员不被允许以政府雇员的身份发表极端反犹太或反以色列观点的影响要大得多。

    我们在这里畅所欲言,因为在其他地方这样做会构成职业自杀。 这也是以色列在学术界营造不自由环境的结果。 希望这个网站的访问量增加——以及禁果综合症——会让更多的美国人清醒过来,让地面游戏变得更好。

    我认为我们的谈话中没有任何东西是在主流平台上无法实现的。

    现在,是的,犹太人是基因上不可救药的东西,血腥诽谤,罗恩关于犹太人的文章,犹太人是万恶之源,那些东西不会。

    现在我什至不支持针对这些东西的法律限制,但是一个健康的社会肯定会希望让这种东西具有放射性。

    而且你必须考虑“邻近效应”——当对以色列和犹太人的平衡、合理的批评与血腥诽谤遗传物质“聚集”在一起时,它会消失,并且可能会散发出微弱的放射性。

    这很不幸,因为批评对我们所有人都是有益的,但你只能责怪自己。

  201. @Anonymous

    与你同类的辩论结束了。

    我倾向于承认这一点。

    那些本质上是为了干涉暴政的个人的诽谤是令人无法忍受的。 一个经常用问题挑战你的孩子,在大多数情况下,他们的天真是可以容忍的。

    一个成年人质疑轮子的基本效用并试图重新发明它? 没那么多。

  202. @silviosilver

    这实际上是“哈里发”水平的言论。 令人难以置信的是,Talha 竟然能够在这个网站上将自己伪装成某种温和的人。 谈到伊斯兰教,右翼反以色列的受骗者似乎和左翼反以色列的受骗者一样厚。

    等一下……我所看到的只是 Talha 倡导以穆斯林为主的民族国家的利益,除非你这么说 事实上的 以色列的霸权是可取的,我不认为你是。

    这种倡导有什么“过分”? 或者是宗教上预示的团结 本身 那你不屑?

    • 回复: @Talha
  203. 根据该拟议法律,在西岸对巴勒斯坦人发动恐怖袭击的美国犹太人也将在军事法庭受审,并可能判处死刑。

    链接的文章中没有任何内容说明这一点。 欢迎你向我展示其他证据,但除非你这样做,否则我们将不得不将你的另一个主张归结为纯粹的“诗歌”。

    你关于安理会的链接表明,标准委对以色列的一些行动“持批评态度”——这些都不是正式声明在法律上违反任何安理会决议,也没有法律约束力。

    在某些情况下,决议只是谴责,但其他人明确呼吁以色列采取行动,与你所说的相反,他们 ,那恭喜你, 具有法律约束力。

    美国以伊拉克表面上违反联合国安理会决议为前提,认为其入侵和占领伊拉克。 因此,联合国成员国唯一缺乏的是对以色列执行这些决议的意愿。

    我们可以担心穆斯林将如何申请 伊斯兰教法 在美国,如果他们跟随以色列的美国传教士的脚步并开始带头立法,使批评伊斯兰教成为美国法院可起诉的罪行。

    在那之前,根本没有可比性。

    • 回复: @lavoisier
    , @AaronB
  204. @Colin Wright

    你可能是对的,科林。

    目前,我仍然要应对美以关系的现实及其伴随的弊端,尽管我也应该准备好度过正在我们前进的风暴。

  205. Talha 说:
    @AnonStarter

    好吧,西尔维奥公开表示他讨厌伊斯兰教并认为它是卑鄙的,这真的很好——每个人都有自己的意见,有些人最终会讨厌伊斯兰教所代表的东西。 但我想如果你讨厌某事,你可能不希望任何地方的人都沿着这些路线团结起来。 看起来很合乎逻辑,不是吗?

    尽管这在一定程度上确实对穆斯林有利。 正如你所提到的,穆斯林团结的问题实际上是乌玛内部的对话,告诉其他穆斯林当然没有坏处; “嘿,你知道,承认他们讨厌伊斯兰教的人想让我们四分五裂……所以,我们应该按照他们的主张来玩游戏,还是应该更好地满足我们的利益?”

    明白我的意思了吗?

    瓦萨拉姆。

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
  206. geokat62 说:
    @geokat62

    坦诚讨论? 不幸的是,在游戏的这个阶段,我们的对手没有心情与我们这些可悲的人讨论任何事情。 在他们制造的虚假政治正确框架中,反对进步主义神圣原则的人是 急需处置的邪恶敌人...

    你以为我在夸大其词,是吗?
    嗯,再想想……

    前推特首席执行官 和左翼活动家 迪克·科斯特洛(Dick Costolo)公开呼吁,不同意他的政治意识形态的人“挨墙开枪”。

    https://newspunch.com/former-twitter-ceo-calls-for-political-enemies-to-be-lined-up-against-the-wall-and-shot/

    • 同意: lavoisier
  207. @AnonStarter

    我们可以担心,如果穆斯林追随以色列的美国传教士的脚步,并开始率先立法,将批评伊斯兰教定为美国法院可起诉的罪行,他们将如何在美国应用伊斯兰教法。

    好吧,鉴于太多美国政治妓女愿意放弃他们国家的主权和我们的宪法自由来为富有的犹太复国主义者服务,你可以肯定,如果穆斯林在美国获得金融主导地位并希望强加伊斯兰教法法律它会发生。

    正如犹太至上主义者的悲惨经历所表明的那样,我们很容易被控制。

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @AnonStarter
  208. Talha 说:
    @lavoisier

    如果穆斯林在美国获得金融主导地位并希望实施伊斯兰教法,那将会发生。

    这不是穆斯林的运作方式; 我们不是一个在经济上占主导地位的少数族裔,他们获得了与我们人数不成比例的影响力的权力杠杆。 那不是我们的任务——我们的任务是邀请人们爱上真主(作为兄弟); 如果我们在媒体和政治中拥有犹太人社区目前拥有的一半影响力,并且人们没有涌入宗教……彻底失败。 我想不出你在穆斯林历史中概述的场景的历史优先级。

    现在通过征服以少数人的身份成为军事精英——大时代,很多这样的例子。 这在美国有可能发生吗? Pffffshshwahahahaha - 是的。

    如果穆斯林接管美国,那将是因为社会本身最终已经翻转并成为穆斯林。

    和平:

  209. @Talha

    明白我的意思了吗?

    当然。

    这里有相当多的反伊斯兰准将,有些人对理性的任何诉求都落空了,有些人可能仍然憎恨伊斯兰,但承认一种或另一种伊斯兰观点的理性,还有一些人倾向于不可知论。

    我记得曾对一群年轻学生发表讲话,询问他们对美国在伊拉克战争的看法,其中一个回答说:“我们应该把它变成一个停车场。” 我解释了本拉登的观点,即即使是美国平民也是合法目标,然后请他告诉我这种观点与他自己的观点之间的区别。

    我可以看到我已经到达了他。 我不知道这会如何影响他到今天,因为那是我和他交谈的唯一场合,但我联系了他,哪怕只是片刻。

    但是,我确实会认真对待您关于海报的建议。 舒克兰。

    was-salaam。

  210. @lavoisier

    你可以肯定,如果穆斯林在美国获得金融主导地位并希望强加伊斯兰教法,它就会发生

    犹太复国主义者在一些重要方面将塔木德法强加于我们,例如他们目前对第一修正案的攻击,但宿命论的美国人应该牢记一些非常重要的事情:

    当有人把政府扔给你时,你可以直接把它扔回他们身上。 什么都没有——我的意思是 没什么 - 阻止美国人适用宪法对他们有利。 认为你不能像犹太人那样组织、制定战略并影响变革? 再想想。 你可以。

    因此,如果一个穆斯林团体决定加入 ADL 推进“仇恨犯罪”立法,其中包括合法禁止对以色列和伊斯兰教的感知罪行,您需要利用土地法律的潜力并使其对您有利。

    它甚至不需要钱。 是的,这需要一些知识,但需要更多的奉献精神。

    • 回复: @lavoisier
  211. AaronB 说:
    @AnonStarter

    好吧,我对此的回应尚未公布,所以我猜 Giraldi 想要我和你的谈话结束。

    有趣的是,您担心自己批评以色列的权利,但我捍卫以色列的权利经常在本网站上受到审查。

    • 回复: @AnonStarter
  212. @AaronB

    好吧,我对此的回应尚未公布,所以我猜 Giraldi 想要我和你的谈话结束。

    没关系。 我为这次交流承担了一半的责任,这显然不是为了联系你,尽管如果其他人在这个过程中学到了一两件事,那么也许这并不完全是浪费。

    有趣的是,您担心自己批评以色列的权利,但我捍卫以色列的权利经常在本网站上受到审查。

    将此网站与主流媒体、社交媒体场所、高等院校或公共广场进行比较是一个苹果和橘子的类比。 你对被审查感到沮丧 应该 帮助您了解当其他沟通平台上的许多其他人因其他人在这里自由发表的言论而经常受到压制甚至受到惩罚时,他们的感受如何。

    Buuut ......作为你是谁,我怀疑这会发生。

  213. Art 说:
    @AaronB

    好吧,从长远来看,以色列当然比阿拉伯敌人更加自由。

    比埃及更自由是微不足道的赞美。

    想想看——埃及不像以色列那样是一个种族隔离国家。

    嗯——选择性自由主义只是在偏袒。

    • 回复: @silviosilver
  214. @lavoisier

    优秀的帖子。 你并不孤单。 我们中的一些人已经不知疲倦地工作了近二十年,以提高对这个问题的认识。 人们好战无知,不想听政治,而是选择舔koolaid。 他们只是不想为自己思考或无能为力。 公众的冷漠一直是成功的一半,即使是现在,在 2020 年的危机中仍然如此。绵羊拒绝唤醒已经占领这个国家的邪恶。

    “当无知是福时,聪明是愚蠢的”

    • 谢谢: lavoisier
  215. vot tak 说:
    @vot tak

    一种既绝望又无能的行为。 一段描述这种愚蠢的短文。

    第二次世界大战历史:美国地毯式炸弹美国将军

    https://owlcation.com/humanities/About-World-War-2-US-Carpet-Bombs-a-US-General

    考虑到当时高空轰炸的不准确性,美国方面很幸运。 不过,mcnair 的死可能已经晚了几年:

    “他参加过两次世界大战,曾三度获得陆军杰出服役勋章,尽管当美军在入侵北非期间表现不佳时,他受到了相当大的批评,部分原因是他的“加速”训练计划。 他还因蔑视自行式坦克歼击车而受到批评,他认为拖曳式反坦克炮效率更高,而事实上,炮兵人员伤亡惨重,而且坦克歼击车的表现始终优于坦克歼击车。 麦克奈尔还认为坦克与坦克的决斗“不合理且不必要”,并帮助阻止了 M26 潘兴重型坦克的生产。”

    军事战术会计师学校。 潘兴是后来的 M-46/47/48 型美国装甲的基础,还有 M-60 系列,直到 70 年代/80 年代艾布拉姆斯取代它们时,它们都是美国装甲的中流砥柱。 M-26 是一辆不错的坦克,在火力和装甲防护方面大致相当于德国的虎 I、黑豹或英国的彗星,但在机动性上不如彗星和黑豹。

    美军对装甲和反装甲的看法严重扭曲。 在一年多的时间里,他们停止为他们的谢尔曼坦克配备更有效的主炮,因为坦克在他们荒谬的战术教条中不应该与其他坦克交战。 配备了更强大的 AP 武器的坦克歼击车将与坦克交战,而坦克炮效率较低的坦克则将与步兵和大炮交战。

    地面战争的现实表明,这种呆板的教条是没有用的。 德国坦克无视美国军队的战术规定,不顾一切地干掉了美国的谢尔曼。 鉴于麦克奈尔对 TD 和拖曳式 AT 火炮的极端看法,我推测他是那些也主张反对武装谢尔曼以满足战场需求的现实的教条狂热者之一。

  216. @Art

    种族隔离(或种族隔离)受到过于随意和不加思索的谴责。 这当然有可能太过分了,但是当两个非常不喜欢对方的人坚持生活在同一个领土上时,种族隔离可能是一种管理分歧的明智方式。

    恕我直言,以色列种族隔离只是最终驱逐企图的前兆,即使没有,它似乎更侧重于羞辱阿拉伯人而不是帮助局势,所以这不是我所说的那种互利种族隔离的很好例子记住。 然而,正确的反应应该是改革,而不是拆除它。

  217. @AnonStarter

    认为你不能像犹太人那样组织、制定战略并影响变革? 再想想。 你可以。

    我同意这一点,投降是没有意义的,尤其是在有这么多利害关系的情况下。

    我只是试图让人们承认向上和向下是向下,我已经筋疲力尽了。

    如果你不能接受简单的原则,争论就会被置若罔闻。

    美国人必须意识到,我们对锡安的奴隶般的效忠正在加剧我们的国家不公正,而我们很少有人愿意接受这一点。

    但肯定必须继续努力。

    感谢您在此处提供的信息。 这是重要的信息,并提供了一个迫切需要的观点。

    • 同意: Talha
    • 谢谢: AnonStarter
  218. Malla 说:
    @AaronB

    许多以色列人可能是亲欧元的。 在欧洲,犹太人感觉像中东闪米特人,他们把中东和阿拉伯人浪漫化,现在在中东,以色列人比周围的人感觉更欧洲化,现在看向欧洲。 在许多基因图中,大多数犹太人在基因上实际上是介于欧洲人和中东人之间的群体。 像锯子一样夹在中间。

  219. geokat62 说:

    • 回复: @anon
  220. @geokat62

    说不定这辈子总算有些公道了!

    • 回复: @geokat62
  221. geokat62 说:
    @lavoisier

    说不定这辈子总算有些公道了!

    我敢打赌她会服刑的八年的一小部分 联联会.

    摘录自 迈克尔科恩选择的监狱:犹太罪犯众所周知:

    [奥蒂斯维尔] 营地几乎没有围栏或酒吧,对于细心的犹太囚犯来说,“在联邦监狱中最接近必杀技的东西,”犯罪学家兼顾问乔尔·A·西克勒 (Joel A. Sickler) 说,他主要为面临监禁的白领罪犯提供建议。

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/22/nyregion/michael-cohen-otisville-prison.html

  222. Sparkon 说:
    @vot tak

    Y你忽略了 伊尔4,和 ADD。 虽然名义上是带有两个引擎的中型轰炸机,但 Il-4 的航程和有效载荷可以在二战期间对德国进行纵深打击。 尽管与 B-17 不完全相同,但 Il-4 与波音重型轰炸机大致相当。

    伊尔4
    最大速度:250 英尺处 21,325 英里/小时
    射程:1,616 英里,携带 2,200 磅炸弹; 最大航程 2,400 英里
    炸弹:高达 6,000 磅的炸弹或地雷

    B-17
    最高速度:287 mph
    射程:2,000 英里,6,000 磅炸弹
    炸弹:远程任务(≈800 英里):4,500 磅

    二战期间,苏联制造了 5,200 多架 Il-4,以及 1,200 架相关的鱼雷轰炸机 DB-3F。

    Il-4 是苏联的主要武器 ADD – Авиация Дальнего Действия (AДД),或远程航空,一支自 3 年 5 月 1942 日至 6 年 12 月 1944 日在二战期间活跃的自主空军,由斯塔夫卡和斯大林直接指挥。

    5 年 1942 月 4 日,斯塔夫卡将远程轰炸机航空队重组为一支自主部队:远程航空队(Авиация дальнего действия (АДД)),由亚历山大·戈洛瓦诺夫指挥。 该部队仍然直接隶属于 Stavka,独立于主流 VVS-PVO。 它的重点是战略性的:轰炸敌人后方深处的行政、政治和军事目标……这支专业轰炸机部队的核心是远程伊留申 Il-8 轰炸机,尽管也使用了 Petlyakov Pe-XNUMXs 和其他飞机.
    [...]
    五个远程轰炸机军在不同时期拥有近 3000 架飞机,其中 1800 架是战斗机。 重型轰炸机袭击了但泽、柯尼斯堡、克拉科夫、柏林、赫尔辛基、塔林等城市。

    二战期间,苏联拥有三种截然不同的空军——常规空军 VVS、防空部队 PVO 和 ADD,远程航空。

    在二战后所谓的冷战期间,苏联人用 Tu-4 重建了远程航空队,这是他们从对日本的空袭转移后落入他们手中的 B-29 的复制品。 到 50 年代中期,苏联设计局已经提出了远程轰炸机的本土设计,其中之一,Tu-95,今天仍在为俄罗斯的 VVS 飞行,就像它的美国对手 B-52 一样为美国空军以及 B-1 和 B-2 飞行,因为如果您打算将某个国家炸回石器时代,或者将其乡村变成“玻璃停车场”,那么您永远不会拥有太多重型轰炸机。”

    前进的基督教飞行员!

  223. Anon[149]• 免责声明 说:
    @geokat62

    根据基督教科学箴言报,我们在以色列浪费了 1 万亿美元。 那个评价超过10
    几年前 。

    • 回复: @geokat62
  224. geokat62 说:
    @Anon

    根据基督教科学箴言报,我们在以色列浪费了 1 万亿美元。 那个评估是在 10 多年前。

    10 年前是 2010 年。这意味着美国已经进入阿富汗 9 年,进入伊拉克 7 年。 如果我们把在这两个领域发动战争的成本包括在内,美国可能浪费了将近 6 万亿美元。

    • 回复: @Colin Wright
  225. anon[149]• 免责声明 说:

    教宗领导下的SCOTUS,以色列领导下的内阁国会疯狂的参议院
    美国准备与中国一战。

    “值得关注的是巴雷特与一个被叛逃者描述为“充满法西斯思想转向宗教目的”的“极权主义”组织的联系,该组织直接参与了一些所谓的永久性或“永久性”的最黑暗活动。深”状态。

    据说审查总统的 SCOTUS 候选人名单的人,Leonard Leo,h 已经考虑任命目前在最高法院任职的保守派大法官中的一位,

    s Leo 与另一个组织的关联揭示了与更古老、更强大的网络的联系,这些网络可以追溯到冷战政治和中央情报局表面上通过情报机构梵蒂冈之间的“邪恶联盟”反对共产主义的最神秘历史和暴徒

    Leonard Leo 是主业会天主教信息中心 (CIC) 的董事会成员,美国司法部长比尔·巴尔 (Bill Barr) 和白宫法律顾问帕特·西波隆 (Pat Cipollone) 也曾在该中心任职。 天主教平信徒团体被描述为世界上“最强大和政治上最忠诚”的秘密社团之一,与梵蒂冈有直接联系,是“个人的领地”,

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-court-of-god-how-a-catholic-secret-society-took-over-scotus/271612/

  226. anon[250]• 免责声明 说:

    乔·拜登的高级顾问托尼·布林肯表示:“他 [拜登] 不会将向以色列提供的军事援助与其做出的任何政治决定联系起来。 时期。 句号。 他说; 他致力于它。”
    反击

  227. anon[284]• 免责声明 说:
    @geokat62

    自 1973 年以来,以色列已花费美国约 1.6 万亿美元。 现在以色列想要更多。 上月底在白宫举行的一次会议上,以色列官员提出要提供 4 亿美元的额外军事援助,以支付应对起义和自杀性爆炸事件不断上升的成本。 他们还要求提供超过 8 亿美元的贷款担保,以帮助该国陷入衰退的经济。考虑到以色列深陷的经济困境,Stauffer 怀疑贷款担保所涵盖的以色列债券将永远得到偿还。 此外,美国还向埃及和约旦提供了 117 亿美元和 22 亿美元的外援,以换取与以色列签署和平条约。 1973 年,尼克松总统向以色列补给了美国武器,引发了阿拉伯对美国的石油禁运。 Stauffer 计算出,美国因此损失了 420 亿美元(以 2001 年美元计算)的产出。 油价上涨又花费了 450 亿美元。 美国犹太慈善机构和组织已汇出赠款或购买价值 50 亿至 60 亿美元的以色列债券。 Stauffer 说,虽然这些钱是私人来源,但对美国经济来说却是“净流失”。
    • 美国已经为以色列提供了 10 亿美元的商业贷款和 600 亿美元的“住房贷款”担保。 (请参阅下面的编者注。)Stauffer 预计美国财政部会承担这些费用。 美国已拨款2.5亿美元支持以色列的Lavi战斗机和Arrow导弹项目。 以色列购买打折的、可用的“过剩”美国军事装备。 Stauffer 表示,近年来这些折扣达到“数十亿美元”。 以色列每年将其 40 亿美元的军事援助(表面上是专门用于购买美国武器)中的大约 1.8% 用于购买以色列制造的硬件。 斯托弗估计,它还赢得了要求国防部或美国国防承包商购买以色列-美国政策和贸易制裁的权利,使美国对中东的出口每年减少约 5 亿美元,使美国失去约 70,000 个工作岗位。 不要求以色列像对外援助一样使用美国的援助来购买美国商品,又要花费 125,000 个工作岗位。制造设备或子系统,美国给以色列的每一美元国防费用需要支付 50 到 60 美分。 以色列阻止了美国的一些主要武器销售,例如 15 年代中期对沙特阿拉伯的 F-1980 战斗机。 Stauffer 说,这在 40 年内耗资 10 亿美元。

    斯托弗的名单将是有争议的。 在这项研究中,他得到了许多退休的军事或外交官员的协助,这些官员大多不公开,因为他们害怕在批评美国对以色列的政策时被贴上反犹太主义的标签。

    https://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html

    现在来自同一把匕首的另一个新角度:

    “两党法案将赋予以色列对美国军售的否决权
    比尔将要求总统就中东武器销售问题与以色列进行磋商
    Dave DeCamp 发表于 5 年 2020 月 XNUMX 日 http://www.antiwar.com
    一群两党议员在众议院提出了一项法案,该法案将有效赋予以色列否决美国向中东国家出售武器的权力。
    该法案由众议员 Brad Schneider (D-IL) 提出。 在一份新闻稿中,众议员施耐德表示,该法案将“要求总统与以色列政府协商,以确保解决 QME 对向中东国家出售武器的担忧”。

    • 谢谢: geokat62
    • 回复: @geokat62
  228. geokat62 说:
    @anon

    在以色列美国委员会的全国会议上,南希佩洛西(他的父亲实际上是一名青年党人)将以色列置于美国之前:

    当人们问我这座国会大厦是否倒塌时,我曾对他们说,我们对援助的承诺会留下来……我什至不称之为援助……我们与以色列的合作。

  229. @geokat62

    “看,我告诉过你,他们认为我们都只是愚蠢的goyim!”

    这是亚伦特别依赖的拐杖。 他不断地试图向自己证明他比他的对话者更聪明。

    如果他真的特别聪明,那将是令人气愤的。 事实上,因为他只是州立大学本科生的聪明,所以用令人恼火来形容更合适。

  230. @geokat62

    '10 年前是 2010 年。这意味着美国已经进入阿富汗 9 年,进入伊拉克 7 年。 如果我们将在这两个领域发动战争的成本包括在内,美国可能浪费了将近 6 万亿美元。

    不要忘记我们允许以色列人窃取多少——主要是从我们这里窃取。 例如,有一个长期存在的“二元期权”骗局——所有这些人都还在原地踏步,毫无疑问 一些东西。

  231. @sethster

    如果你说我们是白人垃圾,我们为什么要喜欢你们?

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