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虽然总统竞选仍在进行中,但有可能认为美国破碎的外交政策可能会发生一些积极的变化。 希拉里·克林顿显然是华盛顿建制派鹰派的候选人,而唐纳德·特朗普则宣布他不喜欢在海外建立民主和国家建设,以及促进与俄罗斯的缓和。 我们这些认为外交政策崩溃是该国面临的最危险问题的人,特别是因为它也助长了国内暴政,倾向于在这一问题的基础上投票支持特朗普。

在十二月1st in Cincinnati, president-elect Donald Trump made 一些有趣的评论 关于他选举后的外交政策计划。 里面有很多好东西,包括他在“我们的目标是稳定而不是混乱”的情况下,引用了 6 万亿美元在中东战争中的“浪费”。 至于与真正的敌人打交道,他承诺“与任何愿意与我们一起努力击败伊斯兰国和激进伊斯兰恐怖主义的国家合作……”他称之为“新的外交政策,最终从错误中吸取教训过去”补充说,“我们将停止寻求推翻政权和推翻政府,伙计们。”

关于政府在允许新移民入境之前明显无法彻底检查新移民,最近在尼斯、俄亥俄州和柏林进行了证明,特朗普 描述如何 “人们从中东地区涌入——我们不知道他们是谁,他们从哪里来,他们的想法是什么,我们将阻止那种死气沉沉的寒冷。 ……这些都是愚蠢的政客们创造的愚蠢的难民计划。” 夸张的? 当然,但他有一个观点,这一切都是外交政策的重要组成部分,对已经生活在美国的人们没有实际利益。

但是,就像特朗普经常遇到的那样,也有另一面。 On the looney fringe of the foreign and national security policy agenda, the president-elect 奇怪地认为 “美国必须大力加强和扩大其核能力,直到世界对核武器有所认识。” 因此,为了减少核武器的数量,我们必须制造更多的核武器并将它们放置在更多的地方。 将汽油倒在熊熊烈火上将是一个恰当的类比,它肯定会引发关于谁在用这种胡说八道向唐纳德提供建议的问题。

特朗普曾承诺“将美国放在首位”,但工作中不可避免地会有一把扳手。 现在,距离新年只有六天了,距离总统就职典礼不到三周,可以看出新的外交政策将比巴拉克·奥巴马和乔治·W·布什在很大程度上受到推动以色列的利益。

至少奥巴马有理由鄙视以色列总理本雅明·内塔尼亚胡,但 20 月 XNUMX 日之后的白宫不会如此th. Trump's very first telephone conversation with a foreign head of government after being elected was with Netanyahu and during the campaign, he promised to invite Bibi to the White House immediately after the inauguration. 这位新总统首次任命一位驻外大使是他的好朋友兼破产律师大卫弗里德曼前往以色列。 弗里德曼 已经前往 特朗普的以色列咨询委员会,是支持以色列定居者运动的著名强硬派,这是一个极右翼政治实体,名义上被美国政府现有政策反对,认为这既非法又损害华盛顿的利益。 除此之外,弗里德曼拒绝建立巴勒斯坦国,并支持以色列实际吞并约旦河西岸。

美国大使本应支持美国的利益,但弗里德曼实际上将代表和认可一个特别有害的以色列法西斯主义版本,作为与华盛顿关系的新常态。 弗里德曼 介绍 耶路撒冷是“犹太人的圣都,只有犹太人”。 特朗普已经采取措施将美国大使馆迁至那里,这使得美国政府在这个有法律争议的城市拥有其首席外交使团是独一无二的。 此举还将成为 ISIS 等组织的招募海报,并将在该地区友好的阿拉伯国家中激起反对美国的舆论。 此举对美国和美国公民来说没有可能的收获和损失,但它满足了像弗里德曼这样的以色列强硬派和狂热分子。

特朗普团队对伊朗的敌意也是以色列更广泛议程的一部分。 伊朗不威胁美国,与拥有核武器的以色列或美国相比,它是一个军事侏儒 大谈特谈 在中东,尽管它自 XNUMX 世纪以来就没有入侵过任何人。 以色列希望美国承担起摧毁伊朗作为地区大国的重任。 如果华盛顿试图这样做,这对所有有关各方来说都是一场灾难,但这并没有阻止强硬派要求对德黑兰施加无情的军事压力。

唐纳德特朗普甚至还不是总统,但他建议巴拉克奥巴马对联合国安理会周五投票通过的谴责以色列定居点的决议行使否决权, 解释 “正如美国长期以来所坚持的那样,以色列人和巴勒斯坦人之间的和平只能通过双方之间的直接谈判来实现,而不是通过联合国强加的条件。 这使以色列处于非常糟糕的谈判地位,对所有以色列人都极为不公平。”

这是一条直的以色列路线,甚至可能是内塔尼亚胡自己写的。 或者美国以色列公共事务委员会 (AIPAC) 愤怒地表示:“AIPAC 对奥巴马政府未能行使否决权来阻止联合国通过一项具有破坏性的、片面的、反以色列的决议深感不安安全理事会(联合国安理会)。 过去,本届政府和历届政府都拒绝了这种带有偏见的决议,因为它破坏了和平前景。 尤其令人遗憾的是,在他上任的最后一个月,总统采取的行动与国会两党共识以及美国在联合国与以色列站在一起的悠久历史背道而驰。”

啊,是的,传说中的两国解决方案谈判,经常被用来让以色列人在扩大他们对阿拉伯土地的盗窃范围内无所作为,人们想知道特朗普将如何定义“对巴勒斯坦人公平”的定义? 因此,我们已经对特朗普采用以色列人巧妙地利用美国政客和媒体的“永远是受害者的论点”进行了深入研究。

据报道,特朗普不满足于向奥巴马提供建议,还直接向提案国埃及人施压,要求其推迟提交任何决议,从而在巴勒斯坦问题上更进一步。 期待在 20 月 XNUMX 日之后在白宫有一位友好的总统th, 埃及总统阿卜杜勒·法塔赫·塞西 周四遵守 但第二天,新西兰、委内瑞拉、塞内加尔和马来西亚重新提出了该动议。 该决议以 14 票赞成票和美国勇敢的弃权票通过,经过八年的漫长岁月,奥巴马终于有了骨气。 但不幸的是,特朗普的干预表明,在他的任期内,任何批评以色列的东西都不会被允许从联合国出现。 谈到联合国的投票,他说“20月XNUMX日之后情况会有所不同th设立的区域办事处外,我们在美国也开设了办事处,以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“

联合国决议立即引起国会以色列第一党和媒体的反应,由 参议员查克·舒默(Chuck Schumer)“华盛顿邮报”。 该 岗位 刊登了一篇题为《 奥巴马政府发出危险的离别之枪 和一篇专栏文章 美国只是让中东和平变得更加困难 不亚于艾略特艾布拉姆斯的令人敬畏的美国英雄。 徒劳地寻找任何可能被解释为美国对这两个部分的实际利益的建议。 这一切都与以色列有关,一如既往。

以色列及其朋友的问题在于,他们永远不会满足,永远不会让我们其他美国人独自一人,不断地推动本质上是敞开的大门。 他们把美国当作门垫对待,比任何表面上友好的国家都更加监视我们,同时将我们对他们不断扩大的州的 38 亿美元捐款收入囊中,连一句感谢都没有。 他们是无耻的。 以色列驻美国大使罗恩·德默(Ron Dermer)一直在美国电视上大肆宣扬他对联合国定居点投票的愤怒。 在美国有线电视新闻网 他透露 以色列有“明确的证据”表明奥巴马总统“支持”该决议,他宣布打算与唐纳德特朗普分享信息。 每个美国人都应该对以色列对我们和我们的机构的蔑视感到愤怒。 人们不得不怀疑主流媒体是否会从他们对俄罗斯的嘲笑中休息一下来报道这个故事。

多年来,以色列一直试图让美国人民参与其自己的罪行,同时也鼓励我们国家软弱腐败的领导层为其政府提供政治掩护,甚至代表其发动战争。 这必须停止,有一段时间,当特朗普承诺在阿拉伯人和以色列人之间的谈判中不偏不倚时,看起来特朗普可能是结束它的人。 那是在他承诺成为以色列最好的朋友之前。

以色列的争吵不只停留在以色列,也不局限于外交政策领域。 我有 已经讨论过 未决的反犹太主义意识法案, 国会两党的努力 通过将其等同于反犹太主义来惩罚甚至可能将任何对以色列的批评定为犯罪。 以色列本身是否想将自己视为一个民主国家取决于内塔尼亚胡和以色列选民,但尊重以色列的看法而剥夺美国人基本的言论自由权应该被认为是完全令人发指的。

还有更多。 以色列政府资助的法律组织 Shurat HaDin 长期以来一直在利用美国法院惩罚巴勒斯坦人和伊朗人,获得与以色列发生的恐怖事件指控相关的惩罚性赔偿。 现在,舒拉特·哈丁正在利用我们的法庭来追捕与伊朗等国家开展业务的美国公司。

去年与伊朗达成的核协议包括结束对伊斯兰共和国从事正常银行和商业活动能力的限制。 作为一项高度优先事项,伊朗已寻求更换其一些老化的基础设施,包括其客机机队。 总部位于西雅图的波音公司寻求以超过 80 亿美元的价格向伊朗航空公司出售 16 架飞机,并与美国政府合作以满足所有许可和技术转让要求。 民用飞机不能以任何方式用于军事目的,但 16 月 XNUMX 日的 Shurat HaDinth 试图阻止 在伊利诺伊州的一家联邦法院进行出售,要求对波音公司进行留置权,以支付据称应归于伊朗资助的恐怖主义受害者的款项。 与此同时,波音公司表示,伊朗航空公司的订单“支持了数万个美国工作岗位”。

因此,以色列政府的一个机构正在采取措施,阻止一家美国公司做一些在美国法律下完全合法的事情,即使这将在国内造成数千个工作岗位的损失。 这是以色列真正关心美国及其人民的一个典型例子。 更可悲的是,以色列游说团拥有的美国国会不出所料地在这个问题上鞠躬亲吻内塔尼亚胡的戒指, XNUMX月通过法案 试图阻止财政部许可为飞机交易提供资金。

新的一年和一个有新想法的政府的到来将为美国提供一个最终与有毒的以色列保持距离的绝佳机会,但不幸的是,似乎一切实际上都在朝着相反的方向发展。 如果我们在今年结束前看到与伊朗的枪战以及闪亮的新美国驻耶路撒冷大使馆(即将建造),请不要太惊讶 在从巴勒斯坦人那里偷走的土地上,顺便说一句)。 特朗普可能认为他正在开启一个基于美国利益的美国政策新时代,但它开始看起来很像老样子,甚至更糟,本杰明·内塔尼亚胡将非常坐在驾驶座上。

 
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  1. 看着唐纳德被选中确实令人沮丧。 但如果不出意外,DJT 能够带来惊喜。 几乎任何事情都可能发生,无论好坏。 系好安全带,享受骑行的乐趣,我说。

    About Israel/Palestine, the so-called ‘two-state solution’ was faintly ridiculous even before the Israeli land grabs from 1967 onward. Let’s call it a day for that particular bit of political fantasy.

    The obvious ‘solution’ now is to go the way of South Africa: one state for all, with Truth & Reconciliation commissions, a dispossessed and terrorized white minority on the run, the whole works. Should be fun.

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    , @Anonymous
    , @Anon
  2. 不要忘记与墨西哥的墙。 以色列公司 Elbit 赢得了年轻布什栅栏的巨额合同:

    https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/nora-barrows-friedman/israeli-arms-maker-wins-unprecedented-contract-us-mexico-border

    现在 Magal 喜欢对 Señor Trump 所谓的城墙进行攻击:

    http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.753331

    全世界都是 DMZ——所有 eruv,一直,jeje。

  3. nsa 说:

    Most of us are tired of the obnoxious jooies and their relentlessly self-serving scheming, both domestic and foreign. If they insist on murdering and pillaging the idiot arabs…….great. Just do it on their own nickel with their own crappy little army No problem……just leave the rest of us out of it.

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  4. @Kyle McKenna

    嗯,Señor Netayahu 把大部分西安原教旨主义者和福音派教徒变成了犹太复国主义者,就像旧圣安东的巨型教堂的牧师 Hajee。 犹太复国主义白人民族主义者应该像一头抹了油的猪一样有趣,嗯?

    顺便说一下,彭斯是前者中的一员,他是一位原教旨主义基督教犹太复国主义者。

    当时有新闻报道称特朗普没有选择他,但他的一些孩子选择了。

    想知道哪个?

  5. 好吧,这样看,Señor Trump 将阻止所有那些不法分子从gut ole watt merkin werkin foke 手中夺走工作,从而为以色列人创造大量合同和工作,jeje。

    吸盘。

    • 回复: @Alden
  6. “immediately and completely cease all settlement activities in the occupied Palestinian territory, including east Jerusalem.”

    Unfair folks. We have an exceptionalism, they said.

    But David not. Humble. Honest.

  7. I’m guessing Trump has a plan and Giraldi doesn’t know what it is. So he’s reading tea leaves and getting himself upset.

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  8. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Kyle McKenna

    The obvious ‘solution’ now is to go the way of South Africa: one state for all, with Truth & Reconciliation commissions, a dispossessed and terrorized white minority on the run, the whole works. Should be fun.

    Israel should put a tarp over Gaza and run a Zyklon-B hose to it. After that, American soldiers can scorch the earth of Jordan and Syria, and restore the Kingdom of Israel. That’s what God wants.

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  9. Anon-og [又名“迈克·约翰逊”] 说:

    “”The pro-Israelis who produced the presidency of the dysfunctional George Bush to take us to war in Iraq also produced the presidency of narcissist Donald Trump—to take us to war in Iran. Were that not the case, the Trump transition would not be dominated by pro-Israeli right-wingers. Below I show how supporters of the Israeli Right delivered an Electoral College victory for a reality show host who likely remains unaware who is manipulating his self-absorbed needs on behalf of Tel Aviv.”

    http://hiddentaxonhumanity.com/uncategorized/mel-rockefeller-commentary/mel-rockefeller-commentary/

    “Pre-staging The Donald

    Pro-Israelis inside the Trump Organization include general counsel Jason Greenblatt (a former settler), bankruptcy attorney David M. Friedman (a two-state solution skeptic), special counsel Michael Cohen and key family members, including son-in-law Kushner and his wife Ivanka Trump who converted to Orthodox Judaism. Israeli settlers were heartened by an interview that Greenblatt, lately described as a Trump “foreign policy adviser,” gave to Israel’s Army Radio after the election in which he said that Trump did not view the settlements as “an obstacle for peace.” That statement led to several celebratory announcements in Israel claiming “the era of the Palestinian state is over.”[8]

    Greenblatt lived in a settlement in Israel. Post-election rumors speculated he could be appointed as Trump’s Middle East envoy though Kushner is also seen as qualified. Kushner is a real estate developer and Greenblatt a real estate attorney. Neither have diplomatic experience.

    Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer has repeatedly visited the transition team. An American who forfeited his U.S. citizenship to serve Israel, he’s a key Trump intermediary not only for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu but also Sheldon Adelson, the casino mogul who spends an estimated \$50 million per year publishing for free Israel’s most widely read free newspaper (Israel Today). The paper is steadfastly supportive of Netanyahu and the Israeli Right.[9] Dermer arranged for Republican Congressional leaders to secretly invite Netanyahu to deliver a nationally televised speech on March 3, 2016 to a joint meeting of Congress in opposition to then ongoing negotiations on the Iran nuclear accord—that Trump now opposes.[10]

    Six days after that speech, Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton sought to undermine negotiations by releasing a letter to Iranian leaders signed by 47 Republican Senators suggesting that any accord with Iran could be undone by the next president. The role played by Israel and its lobby was apparent. Those skeptical that a 37-year old freshman Senator would take this step on his own initiative noted that Cotton’s Senate campaign received nearly \$1 million five months earlier from the Emergency Committee for Israel led by Jewish neoconservative William Kristol, co-founder of the Project for a New American Century established in 1997 to lobby for regime change in Iraq.[11]

    In 2012, Dermer broke with long-standing diplomatic protocol to campaign for Mitt Romney, the Republican presidential candidate, an opponent of the Iran deal and, importantly, a Mormon.[12] Also known as the Lost Tribe of Israel, youth in this uniquely American version of Zionism are routinely recruited for employment in the F.B.I. and our intelligence services, an issue to which I will return.[13]

    By stirring up the settlements issue, the Israel Right may well ignite another war-catalyzing intifada reminiscent of the Ariel Sharon-led march to the Al Aqsa Mosque (Temple Mount) in September 2000. That provocative armed march triggered the Second (Al Aqsa) Intifada one year prior to the war-catalyzing provocation of 9/11. Sharon organized that march after helping ensure the failure of international negotiations on a proposed agreement to designate Jerusalem an international city protected for use by adherents of all three faiths that consider the ancient city sacred.

    Purposefully aggravating the settlements issue is also consistent with the influence wielded within the Republican Party by Mr. Adelson. He and his equally rightwing Israeli wife used their influence to ensure that any mention of the two-state solution was removed from the Republican Party platform. Democrats saw a similar scouring of their platform by the Israeli Right to ensure that the term “occupied territories” was stricken.

    Adding to those provocations, the Knesset took up legislation allowing settlers to gain title to privately owned Palestinian land on which the settlers illegally built. As usual with rightwing pro-Israelis and their deployment of simultaneous provocations, multiple goals are routinely pursued at the same time. Senator Pat Leahy of Vermont summarized how:

    “One of the most effective ways that ISIS and other terrorist groups have attracted recruits is by tarring the United States with Israel’s expanding occupation of the West Bank. This legislation to retroactively legalize illegal settlements will be welcomed by those murderous groups as further evidence that America’s closest ally in the region is bent on destroying a peaceful solution, including the possibility of a Palestinian state.”[14]”

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  10. Lot 说:

    怎么这么好笑 乌兹网’s large stable of Israel/Jew haters just can’t decide if Trump is on their side or not. (I think Giraldi is right, he’s not, and Saker is wrong.)

    吉拉尔迪不明白的是,爱国的白人认为圣地被穆斯林野蛮人占领是不可接受的。 真的就是这么简单。 1000年前如此,现在仍然如此。

    Israel is America’s Crusader Kingdom, and Bibi is white America’s loyal viceroy.

    在从巴勒斯坦人那里偷走的土地上

    It is Israel’s by right of conquest.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_conquest

    And if you don’t believe in that right, I first urge to you deed your house over to the nearest Indian tribe, and second explain how the various Arabs who call themselves “Palestinians” got that land in the first place.

  11. Trump’s son-in-law, and closest advisor, is a professional Jew. His presence probably guarantees that American boys will be dying in Israel’s wars for the next eight years.

    • 同意: Jim Christian
  12. Santoculto 说:

    Gullible = stupid

    You don’t need to be psychopath to agree with this conclusive statement. And have real consequences.

    I always think only Brazilian people who are very politically conformist but by now I’m perceiving other similarity between two countries/peoples, both are too much passive/pussy.

  13. Tsk. Oh well, go ahead, heighten the contradictions, baby. Better a horrible end than horror without end…

  14. Such is life in a nation–America–that is a colony of Apartheid Israel. All that free money and all those ‘surplus’ weapons they receive each year is a tribute from the occupied nation, the USA, to Apartheid Israel.

    Israel and its American sayanim control the WH, Congress, State, and the FED and Treasury, making sure that Israel is completely in control of us GOYIM.

    But don’t worry, watch football, baseball, basketball, soccer, hockey endlessly. Drool and lust after Hollywood starlets that love to show off their bodies. Drink yourself into a stupor and stay stoned. Just don’t question or complain about being a subject of Eretz Israel.

    • 同意: jacques sheete
    • 回复: @geokat62
    , @Wally
  15. Those of us who considered the foreign policy debacle to be the most dangerous issue confronting the country, particularly as it was also fueling domestic tyranny, tended to vote on the basis of that one issue in favor of Trump.

    It seems to me that people have been disgusted with ‘Merkin foreign policy for a long time. I believe that’s a large part of the reason the goon, GHW Bush lost a second term, why its goofy spawn who promised a compassionate conservatism with a humble foreign policy got elected, why the drone murderer and warmonger “Peace” prize prez got elected and the Charnel House Madame lost.

    Trump will take care of himself and his buddies and the rest of us schmucks’ll get a few crumbs.

    阿里斯托芬 骑士团 is about how a sausage seller became a politician. It’s a fun read, and I challenge anyone to make a good case of how it’s really any different now than it was 2.5 millennia back.

    演示
    哦! 有很多好东西! 为什么它很饱! 哦! 他为自己保留的这块蛋糕有多么重要! [1220]他只为我剪下了最小的小片。

    香肠卖家
    But this is what he has always done. Of everything he took, he only gave you the crumbs, and kept the bulk.

    –公元前424年,亚里士多德(Aristophanes),骑士团

    http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0034%3Acard%3D1191

    “寄生虫得到了一切; 诚实的行业和诚实的企业必须只为一些面包屑而感恩。”

    Charles A Lindbergh Sr,“经济危机”,1923 年,第 119 页

    Lindbergh was elected to the US House of Representatives in 1906, as a Republican, serving in the 60th, 61st, 62nd, 63rd, and 64th congresses. 当他反对的联邦储备法案通过时,他是众议院银行和货币委员会的成员。

    It’s all a scam and a crummy deal for de lil pipple. Pun intended.

  16. LondonBob 说:
    @WorkingClass

    I agree, we will find out once in office. Trump is an America first guy, this will inevitably clash with Zionist interests, already has over Syria, Russia etc. The Iran stuff is just rhetoric. Bolton won’t be getting a position, nor are any other neocons.

    Could have written a column at this point when JFK was President elect saying he was servile to Zionist interests, nothing could have been further from the truth once he assumed office.

    • 哈哈: Che Guava
    • 回复: @richard vajs
  17. How does Humpty Trump fit in here?

    This imperial Christian nation, in point of fact, is moving toward neither Communism nor Fascism, though it supports and endures trifling minorities who clamor for both. The great bulk of its people prefer a sober middle course- the traditional American course, hallowed by the Fathers. That is to say, they prefer to follow indigenous mountebanks, bred in the native technique and speaking the native vulgate. Such mountebanks have been saving them quadrennially for a hundred years, and will continue at the job to the end of the chapter. Dr. Roosevelt, though he wears a halo, is certainly no god from the machine, no messiah sent from afar. He belongs to a hierarchy of wonder-workers which stretches back without a break to the first days of the Republic, and includes all the heroes that schoolboys are taught to revere.

    HL Mencken,《美国未来》,《美国水星》,1937年129月,第136-XNUMX页。

    http://www.unz.org/Pub/AmMercury-1937feb-00129

    人们从哪里得到信仰?

  18. fnn 说:

    "American politics is about humoring neurotic Jews while they drive the country off the cliff." (Greg Johnson) Sad! https://t.co/fX4WZS60Sl-((((福特路克)))(@lukeford) December 25, 2016

    Why change is only possible when you have someone like Trump who has been totally immersed in a Jewish milieu for his entire adult life.

  19. Anonymous [AKA "derryl glizamona"] 说:

    How dare instead of aid they hook DC. J Street seemingly pro DC UN-res. Unrespected to UN-res is isolation move very clear.

  20. Now if only POTUS Trump will implement a highly racialized National Origins Immigration Policy that excluded all nonwhite Legal Immigrants….just like our Friend ISRAEL!!!!

  21. iffen 说:
    @Lot

    该死的邪恶的犹太人。

    就在我们认为我们已经选出了一位优秀的纳粹总统时,他却成了以色列的内奸。

    该死的邪恶的犹太人。

    • 回复: @a.z
  22. Miro23 说:

    Breitbart commenters are already foaming at the mouth about the UN Palestinian vote and calling for the UN to be moved out of New York and all the “Pal Muzzies” be killed or kicked out the West Bank ASAP.

    These are Trumps supporters and they aren’t looking at the finer points of anything. Bannon knows it, and Trump knows it, so the next stop is probably some new False Flag and the bombing of Iran.

    What would be the effect be?

    More 100.000’s of civilians killed and made homeless with a US public that couldn’t care less (as proved by Iraq, Libya etc.) . A temporary rise in the oil price and much more wariness of the US from both Russia and China and maybe even a mutual defense treaty.

    The main issue for the US public would probably be the financial one. This time they would insist on a cheap and quick execution with no \$Trillions (it’s being done on credit after all) and Trump could present himself as a Bush style all American hero if it’s over in a few days.

    From the viewpoint of the ROW the US would be a certified Rogue Nation, that was also the world’s leading military/nuclear power, so Russia and China would no doubt urgently ramp up their nuclear capabilities – if they’re not already doing it.

    Quote: “Donald Trump could make the world a safer place” Former Chief of the British Defense Staff – Lord Richards. Need to ask him about that one.

  23. To Lot: And how long did the Outre Mer last? A century? All those squatters in Jerusalem and elsewhere ought to dust off their old passports for a return to Minsk, Pinsk and Miami Beach.

    • 回复: @Mao Cheng Ji
  24. 5371 说:
    @Lot

    Jew Crusader, LOL. Stop spitting at crosses before you paint them on your clothing. How do you think Christians 1000 years ago would have looked on the Holy Land being occupied by a Jewish state?

    • 回复: @iffen
    , @Lot
  25. @JoaoAlfaiate

    Yeah, I agree that European and American usurpers who (temporarily) control the place need to pack the fuck up and go home. But who’s going to give them that kick in the ass? Where’s this new Saladin, who’s the new Baibars? I don’t see any…

    • 回复: @JoaoAlfaiate
  26. Anon • 免责声明 说:

    There are about six million Palestinians enslaved by Zionists in Palestine. There must be up to three hundred million Americans enslaved by those same Zionists in the US. Which is a greater tragedy? We needed Pat Buchanan for president.

  27. iffen 说:
    @5371

    How do you think Christians 1000 years ago would have looked on the Holy Land being occupied by a Jewish state?

    Make the West Great Again; bring back the Dark Ages.

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  28. KenH 说:

    Considering that Trump is surrounded by so many Jews and the fact that he is extraordinarily fond of his Jewish son-in-law (who has close ties to Israel) I never put much stock in his “America First” slogan. When push comes to shove Israel’s interests will trump (pun intended) America’s, but of course, we will be lectured that Israel’s interests are U.S. interests and anyone who dissents is an anti-semite and holocaust denier.

    The loony and intellectually bankrupt left only labels Trump a Nazi insofar as he doesn’t hate white people which is their prerequisite for political office. Otherwise, he’s shaping up to be a Likudnik’s wet dream.

    If Israel wants regime change with neighboring Muslim countries then it’s time they step up to the plate and risk bankruptcy. high military casualties and devastating terrorist attacks against their citizens to achieve it. They need to start paying with their own blood and treasure.

    It’s time for the U.S. to chart an entirely different course and adopt neutrality and a defensive grand strategy as foreign and military policy.

  29. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Well not that Quisling Abbas, that’s for sure. But history has a way of providing surprises, even for a people that spent 2000 years trying to figure out how to get Jerusalem back. And history is littered with 1000 year Reichs, unconquerable empires and unsinkable ships. Note that the UNSC vote was 14-0 and that Europe is skeptical, to say the least, of America’s, and especially Trump’s , ability to lead.

    • 回复: @Mao Cheng Ji
  30. Anon • 免责声明 说:

    “Great again”? Israel has always been great. Two words: high IQ.

  31. geokat62 说:
    @Lot

    Israel is America’s Crusader Kingdom, and Bibi is white America’s loyal viceroy.

    “America is Israel’s Crusader army, and Trump is the Zionist entity’s loyal viceroy.”

    在那里,为您修复它。

  32. @JoaoAlfaiate

    Well, I think the most likely scenario would be mass-emigration, resulting from worsening of economic conditions. Infusions of US money can only do so much, and hopefully BDS will play its part…

  33. Anonymous [AKA "StarTripper"] 说:

    I was encouraged that DJT might be more balanced in approaching Israel than it first appeared when this meeting cancellation showed up. http://www.timesofisrael.com/backing-swedish-far-rightist-trump-proxy-boycotts-top-israeli-official/

    • 回复: @geokat62
  34. Agent76 说:

    Nov 25, 2016 Donald Trump Picks Hawk CFR Henry Kissinger Aid To Cabinet

    Donald Trump’s latest National Security Advisor pick apart of his cabinet K.T. McFarland. We go over who this person really is and what to expect in the future from this major decision.

  35. geokat62 说:
    @KenH

    but of course, we will be lectured that Israel’s interests are U.S. interests and anyone who dissents is an anti-semite and holocaust denier….

    It’s time for the U.S. to chart an entirely different course and adopt neutrality and a defensive grand strategy as foreign and military policy.

    Just curious whether our anchor baby patriot concurs with these statements.

    • 回复: @iffen
  36. @KenH

    我想要和我们的朋友以色列一样的高度种族化的民族移民政策!!!

    贾里德·库什纳 (Jared Kushner) 为我们的朋友以色列支持只有犹太人的民族血统移民!!!

    唐纳德特朗普支持我们的朋友以色列的仅限犹太人的民族移民政策!!

    Richard Spencer and Paul Kersey….take note of this….talk about nothing else….

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  37. geokat62 说:
    @Greg Bacon

    Israel and its American sayanim control the WH, Congress, State, and the FED and Treasury, making sure that Israel is completely in control of us GOYIM.

    Here is some background info on The Lobby:

    [更多]

    The Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations (CoP; commonly Presidents’ Conference) is an American non-profit organization that addresses issues of critical concern to the Jewish community. It comprises 51* national Jewish organizations…

    * Update: The organization now represents 55 Jewish organizations in the United States, including all three major streams of Judaism and political groups on both the right and left.

    The Presidents’ Conference… was founded in 1956 in response to requests from President Dwight D. Eisenhower and his administration; [it] wanted a way to gauge the opinion of the community, without wading into the internal politics of the community, and polling leaders of each organization. The conference established a unified voice for the community, one that government officials could consult on important matters.

    The Presidents’ Conference and AIPAC work together, with all members of the conference sitting on AIPAC’s executive committee, which is distinct from its board of directors. The two organizations follow a clear division of labor. The conference focuses on the executive branch of the U.S. government, while AIPAC lobbies in Congress.

    As of 2014, member organizations included the following:

    Alpha Epsilon Pi (AEPi)
    阿美奴
    American Friends of Likud, a group supporting the right-wing Likud party that has been a leading force in Israeli politics since 1977.
    American Gathering/Federation of Jewish Holocaust Survivors
    America-Israel Friendship League
    美国以色列公共事务委员会(AIPAC)
    美国犹太人委员会
    美国犹太人大会
    美国犹太联合分配委员会
    American Sephardi Federation
    American Zionist Movement, a coalition of Zionist groups and individuals, and the American affiliate of the World Zionist Organization.
    美国人现在和平
    AMIT
    反诽谤联盟(ADL)
    Association of Reform Zionists of America/World Union North America, the Zionist arm of the Reform movement and an affiliate of the Union for Reform Judaism.
    B'nai B'rith国际
    Bnai Zion
    美国拉比中央会议
    Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America
    Development Corporation for Israel/State of Israel Bonds: Since 1951, Israel Bonds sales have helped Israel’s Finance Ministry support projects in key sectors. Bond sales have exceeded \$25 billion.
    Emunah of America: Chapters and divisions around the United States support Israel’s largest Religious Zionisteducational and social welfare organizations.
    Friends of the Israel Defense Forces (FIDF): Supports social, educational, and recreational programs and facilities for Israeli soldiers and supports bereaved relatives of fallen soldiers.
    Hadassah, the Women’s Zionist Organization of America
    希伯来移民援助协会
    Jewish Community Centers Association
    犹太公共事务委员会
    犹太国家安全事务研究所
    犹太劳工委员会
    犹太国家基金
    犹太重建主义者联合会
    Jewish War Veterans of the United States of America (JWV)
    犹太妇女国际
    MERCAZ USA, Zionist Organization of the Conservative Movement
    NA’AMAT USA: This group has pursued its goal of supporting the women and children of Israel for the past 80 years.
    NCSJ Advocates on behalf of Jews in Russia, Ukraine, the Baltic States & Eurasia
    全国犹太妇女委员会
    National Council of Young Israel
    World ORT – ORT America branch: Association for the Promotion of Skilled Trades
    Rabbinical Assembly (RA)
    Rabbinical Council of America (RCA)
    Religious Zionists of America (RZA or Mizrahi)
    Union for Reform Judaism (URJ)
    Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America (Orthodox Union or OU)
    United Jewish Communities (UJC)
    United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism (USCJ)
    Women’s International Zionist Organization (WIZO)
    Women’s League for Conservative Judaism (WLCJ)
    Women of Reform Judaism (WRJ)
    Workmen’s Circle (Arbeter Ring)
    World Zionist Executive, US
    Zionist Organization of America (ZOA)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conference_of_Presidents_of_Major_American_Jewish_Organizations

  38. geokat62 说:
    @Anonymous

    I clicked on your link and read this:

    This is not the first time officials tied to the incoming Trump administration have been criticized for ostensible support for far-right or neo-Nazi groups. Trump’s pick of Steve Bannon as chief strategist has irked many in the US Jewish community over his embrace of the white nationalist, racist “alt-right” movement while at the helm of the Breitbart news website.

    A little rich seeing as they have no issues supporting an ethnostate.

  39. iffen 说:
    @geokat62

    anchor baby patriot

    I assume this is my cue.

    but of course, we will be lectured that Israel’s interests are U.S. interests and anyone who dissents is an anti-semite and holocaust denier….

    Do not concur.

    It’s time for the U.S. to chart an entirely different course and adopt neutrality and a defensive grand strategy as foreign and military policy.

    Changes are definitely needed, not sure about the entirely part, and disagree with blanket neutrality.

  40. Dan Hayes 说:

    Surprising enough, Kevin MacDonald has a more optimistic outlook on the present situation (“Donald Trump as a Zionist,” Occidental Observer, 26 December 2016).

    • 回复: @Art
  41. LarryS 说:

    When will Israel define its border? Is it Genesis 15:18 from the river in Egypt to the Euphrates river in Iraq? Didn’t God make His covenant conditional on the obedience of Abraham’s offspring? Deuteronomy 28. Does the modern, secular state called Israel have a living prophet telling the Jews to take the land away from the people living there? The 10 tribes of the Kingdom of Israel were conquered and assimilated in 722 BC leaving the southern Kingdom of Judah (and the tribe of Benjamin). They were conquered in 586 BC. Later Judeans (Jews) returned to Judea. The land today should rightfully be called Judea, not Israel, and of course Jews should be allowed to live there. But I disagree that it should be a solely Jewish state. Also, I do not believe that the modern, secular state called Israel has anything to do with the Second Coming of Christ. Modern Israel was created by the UN and is not the Israel of the Bible.

    • 回复: @Karl
  42. jtgw 说:

    Well, a pro-Russian, pro-Israel Trump administration would probably align nicely with Bibi’s own foreign policy (which is informed by the demands of the large Russian-Israeli population). As Steve Sailer has noted for a long time, Israel’s right has been cozying up to Putin for a long time. True, they don’t see eye to eye on Iran or Syria, but I’m sure some arrangement can be hammered out.

  43. Svigor 说:

    Those of us who considered the foreign policy debacle to be the most dangerous issue confronting the country

    Idiots, in other words.

    For sure, but he has a point, and it all is part and parcel of a foreign policy that serves no actual interest for people who already live in the United States.

    Globalism isn’t some detail of foreign policy. Not for the globalists, and not for their victims (the world).

    At least Obama had the good sense to despise Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, but that will not be true of the White House after January 20th.

    This seems odd for Trump, given how Boobie threw Trump under the bus during the election, and how the Zionists did pretty much nothing to help Trump – when they weren’t NeverTrumping, that is.

    Maybe Trump’s invitation to Boobie is like his invitation of Romney; hi guy, here, have a long, long tease, now GTFO, enjoy the blue balls.

    Or maybe Trump has in mind a strategy of using Israel as sword and shield. I think this would be an immensely useful strategy; pattern American policy on Israeli policy (sword); whenever criticized, defend by pointing to Israel (shield). It could be devastatingly effective, given the many billions of dollars the Zionists have spent building up Israel’s popularity in America. American cucks will be highly vulnerable to this strategy. Jews will be very weak against it. It will expose all kinds of fissures and vulnerabilities long papered over. And it will give implicit white nationalism a lot of room to maneuver. And in the long run, it will be good for the Zionists, and bad for diaspora Jewry.

    Or maybe Trump’s strategy is somewhere in the middle.

    You’re mostly speculating, jumping the gun, vis-a-vis Iran.

    You’re right about Trump’s position on the Security Council resolution being straight from Boobie, but I can see a lot of potential up sides to cleaving closely to the rightist Israeli regime.

    I noticed that you ignored Boobie/Trump’s point about Hussein’s sharp divergence from the bipartisan consensus in Congress. Much as we might hate to admit it, they have a point.

    But unfortunately, Trump’s interventions suggest that nothing critical of Israel will be allowed to emerge from the U.N. during his term of office.

    Maybe. Or maybe Trump will work deals with Boobie, the way he seems inclined to work deals with everyone. Trump 五月 be inclined to grant unconditional support to the Zionist Jews, the way he probably hasn’t been inclined to grant it to New York City Jews (a corrolary of his continued survival in the NYC real estate business), but I wouldn’t bank on it.

    • 回复: @Anon-og
    , @Gabriel M
  44. Svigor 说:

    Hussein has handed Trump a big favor with the Security Council abstention, btw. Trump can now point to the fact that White House support for Israel is 不能 unconditional, without having to get his hands dirty. And he can position himself as quite the carrot. Personally, I’d make Boobie & the Zionists pay, in a public way, for throwing me under the bus during the campaign, if I were Trump, but maybe he has bigger plans.

    Dan thanks for the link to the OD piece:
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/12/donald-trump-as-zionist/#more-108242

    America is run by Israel-Firsters. Giraldi & company are Israel-Lasters. Trump is (or seems to be) an America-Firster. KMac is a Whites-Firster, so naturally, he’s not as het up about Trump’s position as the Israel-Lasters are. KMac is obviously closest to my own position. Our problem is far more with diaspora Jewry, than it is with Israel. On the contrary, we’d like to have for ourselves something a lot like what Israeli Jewry has for itself.

    Politics, after all, is the art of the possible. For us as advocates of a White America, our first priorities should be domestic policy — ending the immigration onslaught first and foremost. If doing that is made easier by supporting Israel, so be it.

    Finally, I suggest that Trump’s sympathy for Jews and Jewish concerns is real, but that he is well aware of Jewish power and the need to use Jewish power and their personal abilities to his advantage. An article in the Jerusalem Post by Michael Wilner from September adds considerable detail to Trump’s very long history of Jewish ties.

    Indeed. That makes perfect sense to me.

    怎么这么好笑 乌兹网’s large stable of Israel/Jew haters just can’t decide if Trump is on their side or not. (I think Giraldi is right, he’s not, and Saker is wrong.)

    Taking a wait and see attitude, and constantly correcting for new info, is common sense. I don’t find common sense “funny,” generally speaking, but to each his own.

    Dealmakers support no one unconditionally. That seems like common sense to me – to see Trump as a dealmaker, before seeing him wedded to some cucked-out vision of Israel as “our” heretical Crusader State.

    “Great again”? Israel has always been great. Two words: high IQ.

    What’s Israel’s mean IQ again? 95, or something? Ashkenazi Israeli mean IQ is like 104, IIRC. Vast majority of the smart Jews live in the diaspora.

    • 回复: @Anon-og
    , @Lot
  45. Svigor 说:

    Giraldi & company are Israel-Lasters. KMac and I are Whites-Firsters.

    And iffen & co are Stupidity-Firsters who conflate the two.

  46. @iffen

    Make Israel great again; bring back ALEXANDER JANNÆUS.

    Alexander’s chief aim was to make Judea great and powerful; to this he devoted his life.

    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/1144-alexander-jannaeus-jonathan

    Josephus tells us that this same dude …

    …when he ordered eight hundred [Pharisees] to be hung upon crosses in the midst of [Jerusalem], he had the throats of their wives and children cut before their eyes; and these executions he saw as he was drinking and lying down with his concubines.

    -Flavius Josephus, The Wars of the Jews, Book I, Chapter 4, William Whitson translation, 1987 edition, page 550-55-

  47. Art 说:

    Nary a kudo for Obama anywhere. The Jew MSM has supported him 100% for eight years – now nothing. He has given up untold millions in speaker fees from Jews (and probably every major interest) to do the right thing. Too bad he got the Nobel Peace Prize when he did – he deserves it now.

    Trump campaigned that he was going to take America out of the bad guy trouble making column. Well with his actions on the UN vote he has squarely put America at odds with the world. In effect the vote was 15 for Palestine – zero for Israel. Hmm – 15 for good – ZERO for evil.

    It appears that what Trump meant when he said he would end the Palestinian/Israeli conflict, was that he would give Palestine a deal that they could not refuse – either they take it, or he will give Netanyahu full range to do as he pleases.

    和平—艺术

    • 回复: @Paul C.
  48. Svigor 说:

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/backing-swedish-far-rightist-trump-proxy-boycotts-top-israeli-official/

    senior member of President-elect Donald Trump’s transition team and a delegation of US Republican and European lawmakers canceled a briefing Thursday with Israel’s Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely over a refusal to allow a Swedish far-right member of the group into the meeting, The Times of Israel has learned.

    Yes, that is very interesting, isn’t it?

  49. Svigor 说:

    怎么这么好笑 乌兹网’s large stable of Israel/Jew haters just can’t decide if Trump is on their side or not. (I think Giraldi is right, he’s not, and Saker is wrong.)

    On second thought, I suppose I’ve unfairly lumped myself into the group you’re intending to criticize. There is, after all, a large stable of Israel-Lasters here at TUR.

  50. Anon-og [又名“迈克·约翰逊”] 说:

    The Israeli/Zionist cancer of America is irreversible at this point, so deeply entrenched are these forces in our nation. The assassination of John F. Kennedy came during the heights of his battle against Ben-Gurion and the possibility of a nuclear Israel, something he was dead set against and that quickly happened once he was out of the way. During this time, while JFK was attempting to place Israel’s Dimona Nuclear weapons program under US inspection, attorney general Robert Kennedy ordered AIPAC’s parent organization, AZC(American Zionist Council) to openly register and disclose all of its foreign funded lobbying activity in the United States. Of course, these plans were stopped by the murder of JFK and Israel today is fully nuclear and NO Israeli lobby has ever registered as a foreign agent.

    https://pulsemedia.org/2009/08/28/the-kennedys-vs-israels-lobby/

  51. Anon-og [又名“迈克·约翰逊”] 说:
    @Svigor

    More than likely, Trumps courting of Pro-Israel, Pro-war with Iran Romney was a signal to the Lobby and hard line Zionists.

    “When Mitt Romney made Trump’s short list as a potential Secretary of State, the war-with-Iran agenda came sharply back into focus. A lay bishop in the Mormon Church, a Romney Administration would by now have led us into Israel’s long-sought war with Iran.
    During Romney’s 2012 campaign, foreign policy adviser Dan Senor told journalists that if Israel launched a strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities, Romney “would respect the move.” Regardless of their personal differences (Romney called Trump a “phony” and a “fraud”), his hardline position on Iran qualified Romney to serve as Trump’s Secretary of State.
    Should Romney be included in a Trump administration, Trump will be portrayed as magnanimous and Romney’s role will be cast as unifying the party. In truth, it will confirm that Zionists have consolidated their power in a presidency produced for the purpose of taking us to war in Iran. Those promoting the narrative of “Russian interference” in the 2016 presidential election fail to mention that Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer campaigned for Romney in 2012; Netanyahu was prominently featured in a Romney campaign ad in Florida warning of the Iranian threat.
    Romney adviser Dan Senor hailed Pompeo as a “superb pick” (Romney’s July 2012 trip to Israel is described as the “brainchild” of Senor and Dermer).[20] As chief spokesperson for the Coalition Provisional Authority and senior adviser to Bremer,[21] Senor put a positive spin on the disastrous post-invasion policies that devastated Iraq and pre-staged the conditions required for the emergence of ISIL.[22] While in Iraq, the neoconservative Senor represented not U.S. but Israeli interests.[23]
    Trump’s transition confirms that Jewish elites and extremists have amassed enough control to pick presidential advisers able to shape U.S. foreign policy for the next fifty years. Lt. General Michael Flynn, former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency,[24] was quickly named National Security Adviser. After the attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya in 2012, General Flynn kept asking his intelligence officers to look for a link to Iran—i.e., in much the same way that intelligence officers were pressed to look for a 9/11 link to Iraq. In neither case was there any link.

    http://hiddentaxonhumanity.com/uncategorized/mel-rockefeller-commentary/mel-rockefeller-commentary/

  52. Dear trolls and assailants,

    Congratulations, you have won. Insults and pejoratives are one thing, intimidation and assaults are another. Other people may fancy violence and blackjacks, I have no taste for confrontation. In a few hours, you can raise your champagne flutes and celebrate my passing. Cyber-stalking laws are there for a reason. Parents, please don’t let this happen to your children, it turns life into a living hell.

    – 艾莉

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @vinteuil
  53. DaveE 说:

    Don’t believe Obama just “developed a backbone”. This is a scam, pure and simple.

    There will be massive false-flag attack on American soil, blamed on Russia, before Obama leaves office.

    This newfound “compassion” for the little guy will make it all the easier for Obama to rally Americans into supporting martial law, and an open-ended Obama dictatorship, or at least putting up with it. With a little help from the Stasi, eh, “Homeland Security”, for luck.

    At minimum, this move is simply what Noam Chomsky has described as the “standard zionist tactic of appearing to switch sides, last minute, to avoid being blamed”.

    • 回复: @Anon-og
  54. 美以多元化轴心。

    [更多]

    1. US-Israel are national democracies with no effective constitutional limits on their national government’s law making power.

    2. US-Israel are dominated by an organized, ultra-large, anti-white-straight-Christian-male victim cult. This organized victim cult falsely promotes itself as being anti-Nazi.

    3. US-Israel define a Nazi profile as being white-straight-Christian-independent-armed-gringo-law abiding-male

    4. US-Israel have a 2-party system that dominates national politics.

    5.美国共和党人=保守的犹太教=以色列利库德党

    6.美国民主党人=世俗犹太人=以色列工党

    7. US-Israel have a super-majority of protected class voters who behave as a victim cult, They are special people that demand and receive thousands of class based government enttlements by law in exchange for their votes.

    8. US-Israel are fascist and aggressive proponents of the American-Israeli victim class supremacy scheme in the world

    9. 美以协同攻击和破坏以色列在中东的敌人

    10.美国-以色列协调其黑人行动

    11. 美以共享军事技术和情报

    12.出于同样的原因,美国-以色列是国际贱民国家

    13.美国-以色列偏向移民政策,偏向受邪教侵害的人。

    14.美以掩护对方在联合国的过犯

    15.美以军事和对外援助协定严重偏重以色列的致富

    16. 美以关系如此反常,以至于以色列可以攻击美国海军,并因此获得奖励(USS Liberty)

    17.美以受害者阶级至上计划意识形态:

    妇女因男性的压迫而有权
    犹太人因外邦人的压迫而有权
    同性恋者因直率的压迫而有权
    穆斯林因基督徒的压迫而有权
    残障人士因健康的压迫而有权享有
    非洲黑人因白人压迫而应得权利
    拉丁裔因Gringo的压迫而享有权利
    西班牙裔人因格林戈镇压而应得权利
    军人由于民兵的压迫而有权
    两党系统受抚养人因独立压迫而有权
    原住民有权因脸色苍白而受压迫
    亚洲人因西方的压迫而有权
    由于地方政府的压迫,国家社会主义者有权
    克洛尼资本家因诚实的商人压迫而有权
    犹太复国主义者之所以有权,是因为反法西斯主义的压迫

  55. Anon-og [又名“迈克·约翰逊”] 说:
    @Svigor

    Trump didn’t need Obama’s action on the UN resolution to set that tone. George W. Bush let five UNSC resolutions pass against Israel, called on Israel to end the occupation of Palestinian land, called for a contiguous Palestinian state unfettered by Israeli settlements, condemned the settlement enterprise repeatedly, withheld U.S. loan guarantees to Israel, implemented strict restrictions on Israeli travel to the U.S., condemned the building of Israel’s security wall, condemned Israel’s attacks on Gaza, pushed Israel into the Annapolis conference and the Road Map, sold weapons to Arab states in violation of an agreement with Israel, pressured Israel to allow Hamas to run in the Palestinian elections, prosecuted AIPAC staffers for espionage, and refused to support an Israeli bombing run on Iran’s nuclear facilities. Nonetheless, his last year in office, with the financial support of Sheldon Adelson no less, he was honored at the first Israeli President’s Conference as Israel’s protector and the best friend Israel has ever had in the White House.

    Obama’s big crime and the real favor he did for an incoming Trump administration was signing that Iran Nuclear deal giving Trump a shadow of an opportunity to avoid another war for Israel being so aggressively pushed by the Pro-Israel crowd.

    All of Bush’s lesser crimes against Israel were easily forgiven for the much greater gift he gave the Zionists which was the war against and total destruction of Iraq and the huge cost it caused to the American empire which must happen for the torch to be passed from Pax Americana to Pax Judaica.

  56. Svigor 说:

    More than likely, Trumps courting of Pro-Israel, Pro-war with Iran Romney was a signal to the Lobby and hard line Zionists.

    The quote seems both premature, and outdated in light of subsequent events.

    Dear trolls and assailants,

    Congratulations, you have won. Insults and pejoratives are one thing, intimidation and assaults are another. Other people may fancy violence and blackjacks, I have no taste for confrontation. In a few hours, you can raise your champagne flutes and celebrate my passing. Cyber-stalking laws are there for a reason. Parents, please don’t let this happen to your children, it turns life into a living hell.

    You’ll be missed (that’s sarcasm).

    There will be massive false-flag attack on American soil, blamed on Russia, before Obama leaves office.

    Maybe we can get the Russians who just faked their ambassador’s assassination and blew up their own passenger jet to pull it off for us? If not, maybe the Russians who pulled off the false-flag bombings of Russian apartment buildings (to get Russian public support for 2nd Chechnian war) are available.

  57. Anon-og [又名“迈克·约翰逊”] 说:
    @DaveE

    Before Russia is blamed for a false flag, Iran will be and very soon too. The destruction of Iran is the most pivotal prereq to a war against Russia and Putin will have to decide whether to let America exhaust its empire in Iran through war or continue with the stand he took in Syria., which logically would continue into support for Iran.

    • 回复: @DaveE
    , @Astuteobservor II
  58. Svigor 说:

    Nary a kudo for Obama anywhere. The Jew MSM has supported him 100% for eight years – now nothing. He has given up untold millions in speaker fees from Jews (and probably every major interest) to do the right thing. Too bad he got the Nobel Peace Prize when he did – he deserves it now.

    Good point; the abstention won’t do him any favors in that department, that’s for sure. Which suggests that some of his Big Money Jews are on board; I doubt he’d put (all of) his Warbucks in jeopardy without at least consulting them.

    Trump campaigned that he was going to take America out of the bad guy trouble making column. Well with his actions on the UN vote he has squarely put America at odds with the world. In effect the vote was 15 for Palestine – zero for Israel. Hmm – 15 for good – ZERO for evil.

    Yeah, Trump seems more interested in America than The World. I tend to agree.

    Israel-Lasters do seem pretty uninterested in what’s good for me and mine. Just like the Israel-Firsters. But at least there’s something to be gained from the latter.

  59. Gabriel M 说:
    @Svigor

    This seems odd for Trump, given how Boobie threw Trump under the bus during the election

    You keep repeating this false claim. Once again, in reality, Bibi distanced himself from Trump in mild terms after Trump proposed a blanket ban on Muslim non-citizens entering the U.S. The very same speech was criticized in much harsher terms by Marine Le Pen and, at the same time, the British parliament actually held a debate, after a petition signed by hundreds of thousands, on banning Trump from the country. The Prime Minister of France to take one example out of hundreds, said that Trump made him “want to retch”. At the same time, Arab MKs were threatening riots if Trump visited the country.

    With all that said, Bibi is actually not a very good student of US affairs. He bet that Romney would win and Trump would lose. He doesn’t seem to have any more insight than anyone could get from reading the newspaper.

  60. Che Guava 说:

    As always, a good article, Mr. Giraldi.

    I wish that you would be on the NSC, not that you would necessarily want to be there.

    As a non-US person, the turning point to complete pessimism about the Trump prexidency in your country was the reaction to the UNSC vote.

    Breitbart News made it obvious that their core interest is to push settler Zionism ever since Trump was elected.

    Sure, they have Milo as a dolly-bird to make it a little more than that at times.

    They have just the same take as, or even worse, on the UNSC resolution that they pretend to be alternative to.

    Obama did not show a spine by abstaining, to show a spine would have to voting in favour. Sure, an improvement, he could have allowed a very similar resolution to have passed, many years ago.

    Two state solution:Israeli invaders (post-1973) to certify the legality of their land holdings, and to compensate the people they drove out in many places.

    I read enough to know that some parts of eastern Jerusalem, there were legal sales, but they were in the inner parts of the city.

    So my two-state solution has serious compensation for illegal theft of land post-1967, and the Israeli ‘settlers’ to be under a Palestinian government, in the same way as Arab citizens of Israel are within Israel.

    I doubt that anybody will adopt this sensible idea, and, even if anyone does, wealthy Israel will not pay, but will demand that their USA colony does.

  61. Svigor 说:

    Really, the whole thing was something of a win-win; Hussein gave Israel-Firsters a slap in the face, which they desperately needed, and Trump tried to stop him, temporarily succeeded, but ultimately failed.

  62. DaveE 说:
    @Anon-og

    You may be right…… hard to say.

    As for Iran, I think the zios got burned bigtime with the explosion of their rocket, days before the anniversary of 9/11, on the launchpad, seemingly by a missile (still not explained) and which absolutely freaked out the Israelis. The rocket carried a nuke “from Iran” designed to strike the US on the 15th anniversary of 9/11, after orbiting Earth for a day or two, just for cover.

    My guess is that the downed TU-154 plane (a new low even for the Chosenites) , the assassination of the Russian ambassador, the Obama threats to Russia over the bogus election meddling, all point to Russia as the latest target of the zionists.

    • 回复: @Anon-og
  63. Wally 说: • 您的网站
    @Greg Bacon

    问题:

    谁要求大规模移民到白人外邦国家,却阻止非犹太人移民到“那个肮脏的小国”?
    谁管理美联储?
    谁经营华尔街?
    谁拥有美国国会?
    谁拥有白宫?
    谁主导美国最高法院?
    谁强迫接受虚拟的和不可能的“ 6M和毒气室”?
    谁负责媒体/娱乐?
    谁经营音乐业务?
    谁主宰“学术界”?
    为什么AIPAC是最强大,最占主导地位的游说团体,它定期编写国会法案和决议案文?
    谁想要通过“仇恨言论”鸭嘴来审查言论自由?
    是谁要求我们为美军的利益流血?
    谁是地球上最大的真正种族主义者?

    • 回复: @MMM
    , @Anonymous
    , @MMM
  64. Svigor 说:

    France isn’t our greatest ally. Or a lobbying colossus. And I cut L Pen waaaaaaaay more slack than I do the Israelis, because the Israelis aren’t in an uphill struggle to win back their own country. England is enemy-occupied territory, too, but what’s Israel’s excuse? They’re an ethno-state, they have huge influence over the Jewish diaspora, who in turn have huge influence over American politics, but instead of being a friend to us as they are to Israel, they’re our foremost enemies. This stuff shouldn’t need explaining.

    Bibi distanced himself, the Zionists did precious little but watch the election in silence, when they weren’t NeverTrumping.

    • 回复: @Gabriel M
  65. Svigor 说:

    Ethno-nationalists in Western Europe range from nobodies, to minorities. Ethno-nationalists are in charge in Israel, but they still threw us under the bus. They’ve never even crooked their pinky fingers to help us. Treachery from a supposed friend (the ethno-nationalists who have run Israel forever) is far worse than treachery from an enemy (the anti-ethno-nationalists who have run Western Europe forever).

  66. @Anon-og

    iran is untouchable right now. china’s new silk road runs through it. the zionists would have to deal with iran, russia and china, all 3 at the same time.

    I don’t see anyway for the zionists to win in that confrontation. it is also the reason why the iran/usa nuclear treaty even exists.

  67. MMM 说:

    The most insightful and thorough overview I’ve read on our truly deplorable situation.

    Thank you Philip Giraldi for not pulling any punches — we need truth now more than we ever have.

  68. There never was going to be a two state solution. What will someday happen is a unified Israel that is not overtly a Jewish racial and religious state as it now is, but one that resembles other modern nations. It’s only a matter time.

    As for settlers, they couldn’t be stopped in North America, either, but those of us with Native American ancestry had to live with it.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  69. Anon-og [又名“迈克·约翰逊”] 说:
    @DaveE

    Interesting……….any links you can point me to regarding that failed false flag attack?

  70. Talha 说:

    Friedman describes Jerusalem as “the holy capital of the Jewish people and 仅由 the Jewish people.”

    It usually takes a lot for me to lose it, but…

    Screw you, miserable punk!

    • 回复: @iffen
  71. Art 说:
    @Dan Hayes

    Surprising enough, Kevin MacDonald has a more optimistic outlook on the present situation (“Donald Trump as a Zionist,” Occidental Observer, 26 December 2016).

    凯文麦克唐纳: Politics, after all, is the art of the possible. For us as advocates of a White America, our first priorities should be domestic policy — ending the immigration onslaught first and foremost. If doing that is made easier by supporting Israel, so be it.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/12/donald-trump-as-zionist/#more-108242

    That is crazy – do blacks and Latinos control congress, the president, foreign policy, domestic policy, the media, education, and soon to be the courts. Get real!

    The very reason we have too many Mexicans is because of Jew policy and politics.

    America needs to fix its Jew control problem.

    Only fools disagree with that.

    和平—艺术

  72. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Anonymous

    “Israel should put a tarp over…blah blah”
    Sure, the evil empire and its begger biatch could do that, but…

    “That’s what God wants.”
    LOL!

    What God has indeed promised is to fill hell with the pagan polytheist disbelievers. That would mean everybody who worships human-like beings, and animals (including the calf… 😉 )

  73. Gabriel M 说:
    @Svigor

    England is enemy-occupied territory, too

    Not really sure what this means. The majority of British people have, by American standards, liberal beliefs. They are occupying themselves. This is what British people think of Trump.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/06/tenth-of-britons-back-donald-trump-for-president-while-half-back-hillary-clinton

    Perhaps you want to punish British people, too, along with more or less the whole world for opposing Trump. I hope not. I’m very fond of Britain.

    but what’s Israel’s excuse?

    1) Israel’s population is 20% Muslim. Muslim MKs threatened riots if Trump visited.
    2) Israel relies on not alienating pro-peace-process, but not anti-Israel countries, like Britain, the political and elites and populations of which were (and are) wildly hostile to Trump.
    3) Israel is loathed by huge swathes of the world, is the object of more UN resolutions than any other country by a huge margin, has sanctions against it by the EU and cannot afford to alienate people even further by allying with unpopular candidates with no chance of winning (again, in Bibi’s judgement).
    4) Bibi was widely considered to have made a fool of himself and endangered Israel’s security for publicly backing Romney and was loathe to make the same “mistake” again,
    5) Bibi’s comments were about a policy that is not, in fact, law in Israel (Muslims can and do frequently enter the country and Muslims can and do become citizens, for example if they marry an Israeli) and which Trump has, himself, effectively repudiated (I still think it’s a good policy, for what it’s worth.)

    they’re an ethno-state, they have huge influence over the Jewish diaspora,

    The majority of diaspora Jews support a Palestinian state, no matter how many times we tell them it means suicide, because they just know better. Yet you expect us to dictate their domestic political positions too?

    but instead of being a friend to us as they are to Israel, they’re our foremost enemies.

    Were this true, you would expect there to be some correlation between the amount of Jews/Jewish power in a country and the amount of anti-White leftism, but no such correlation exists. I don’t dispute that Jewish Americans are, for the most part your enemy. Since, nearly half are not even Jewish under Jewish law, I don’t even care.

    (the ethno-nationalists who have run Israel forever)

    The authors of the Oslo process have admitted that it was part of a plan to turn Israel from a Jewish state into a state with some Jews in it. Saying that “ethno-nationalists” have always run Israel is like saying that anti illegal-immigration patriots have always run America because the Democrats publicly claim to be patriotic and against illegal immigration. Even now, if Hamas would just develop some time preference and “lay down their weapons (wink wink)”, Israelis would elect a Leftist suicide government in five minutes flat. What it more, even when the most popular Palestinian faction openly declares their intention to slaughter every one of us, moderate ethno-nationalists can only cobble together a coalition government with the aid of Haredim. We’re just not as all-that as the alt-right seem to imagine.

    Treachery from a supposed friend

    You haven’t pointed to anything that amounts to treachery. Cowardice and poor judgement? Absolutely, but that’s no surprise. The reality is that Bibi is not that ethno-nationalist and not that smart. He’s stayed at the top of Israeli politics for a very simple reason. If the Left gain power, then the Palestinians will gain the West Bank meaning endless low level wars which will destroy the economy. If the (real) Right gain power then the international community will impose serious sanctions that will destroy the economy. The Bibi strategy is the only viable option, but it’s so dishonorable and shameful that’s he’s the only reasonably talented guy willing to do it and he doesn’t do it all that well.

    • 回复: @Mao Cheng Ji
  74. Skeptikal 说:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    “我想要和我们的朋友以色列一样的高度种族化的民族移民政策!!!”

    是的,我也想为德国做同样的事情。

    德国人让 XNUMX 万来自 ME 的移民进入,但在承认他们驱逐的那些人的后代以及他们的业务在 XNUMX 年代被亚利安化时,他们根据第二和第三帝国的法律提出了荒谬、懦弱的论点。

    • 回复: @War for Blair Mountain
  75. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Anon-og

    “…by those murderous groups…”
    In *比较* to the evil empire and its beggar soulless master, these groups you talk of, are positively saintly 😀

  76. iffen 说:
    @Talha

    塔哈

    Just how many inviolable Holy Cities do “you” people need?

    • 回复: @Talha
  77. Anonymous [AKA "Muslim Barbarian"] 说:
    @Lot

    “…acceptable that the Holy Land be occupied by Muslim barbarians…”

    So says either a *人类* worshipper or a descendent of *calf* worshippers, who have committed far greater murderous barbarity that us Muslim “barbarians.” H3ll will be a most appropriate place for likes of you, if you actually believed in such a thing.

    Go usurp all you want, glorify yourselves all you want, for this fleeting moment in this world, for you will utter losers in His court.

    As for us, worshippers of the One and Only, the Infinite, the *Unique*, the Unseen, we praise and glorify Him daily for choosing us to be Muslim “barbarians.”

    • 回复: @Stebbing Heuer
  78. @Skeptikal

    The Old Farting Lesbian Angela Merkel must be convicted of TREASON!!!….and then dipped in a large vat of car battery acid…sealed…Do it in a popular public square so the German People can observe and enjoy kicks and screams emitted from the walls of the vat….Make it a German Family Holiday……Then kick the US Negro Military out of Deutchland….forever.

    • 回复: @Alden
  79. Junior 说:

    Goddamn it.

    Well… it was certainly worth a try. Plan A didn’t work. Damn you Kushner. 🙁

    I pray it isn’t but just in case, begin the sharpening of the pitchforks and the oiling of the torches cuz it may be time for Plan B. 😉

  80. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Anon

    High IQ with Zero morality.

    What would you understand about that.

  81. Talha 说:
    @iffen

    嗨,iffen,

    I was upset about his “only” remark. If his remarks insinuate that they plan to eventually drive out Muslims from the city so that is it is for “only the Jewish people” – then that is utterly contemptible. Especially given the history:
    “Playing to messianic expectations rampant among 16th-century Jews, Sultan Süleyman the Magnificent invites Jewish refugees from the Spanish expulsion to settle in his realm. Jerusalem, already an established center of mystics, becomes a magnet for pious Jewish settlers who flock here in greater numbers for the first time since antiquity.”
    http://www.bu.edu/mzank/Jerusalem/p/period6-3.htm

    和平:

    • 回复: @Karl
    , @iffen
    , @KenH
    , @Gabriel M
  82. @Gabriel M

    no matter how many times we tell them it means suicide

    What suicide, are you insane? Why don’t you just go back where you (or you parents) came from, and let the good people of Palestine return, rebuild their villages, and live in peace as they did for centuries before all this madness started. What’s suicidal about that?

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @MMM
  83. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Wally

    “Who are the real & biggest racists on the planet?”

    Why, the whites of course. Or, was that a trick question?

  84. Karl 说:
    @LarryS

    > 以色列何时确定边界?

    how long was the USA in existence when it completed its “land grab” from the Spanish-American War?

    俄罗斯重新吞并克里米亚时,它存在多久了?

    “Two State Solution” – what is that, the revival of the Confederate States of America?

    PS: whenever you see a tail wag a dog, you know that you’re looking a very strong tail…. or a very weak dog. What’s the last three things that Philip Giraldi did to strengthen the footing of the weak dog?

  85. Karl 说:
    @Talha

    hey Talha, how about we make a fair compromise…. a religion gets to declare a place to be its “Holy City”, if the religion is indigenous to that place?

    YHWH-cult and Jesus-cult are indigenous to Eretz Israel. We all agree on that

    Mohammed-cult is indigenous to….. Saudi Arabia.

    You can keep Mecca.

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @NoseytheDuke
    , @5371
  86. I’ll be shocked if the US does not go to war with Iran under Trump, but better war with Iran than war with Russia. The US Empire will have its war with somebody, so let it be with people who really can’t damage the US physically. I am curious to see if Trump deals with the Salafist supporters like Saudi Arabia and Qatar. The only thing Trump’s ambassador appointment did was to make the official policy visible to all. There is no faux liberal nonsense out there that can hide the emperor’s nakedness now. BDS is the only way to peacefully end the Israeli occupation. America’s unconditional support for Israel has already done damage to American interest in the Middle East. I guess even the idiots among the Muslim population can see what the true policy of the US and Israel has always been concerning the Palestinians now thanks to Trump. The appointment is a stroke of genius if what I read is correct and Friedman is to the right of Netanyahu. It changed nothing but the perception. Congress will fight the appointment I bet in order to keep the lie alive.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  87. Svigor 说:

    Not really sure what this means.

    I’m not surprised. I can’t play the obtuse role, so I’ll just skip your comment instead.

    • 回复: @Gabriel M
  88. “Great again”? Israel has always been great. Two words: high IQ.

    Two more words: Mere quackery.

    Who invented the concept, and who promoted it, and who profits from administering these so called “intelligence” tests?

    They have about as much worth as the laughable Nobel prizes, Pulitzer prizes, and what not.

    Just another manifestation of the endless self preening of the self promoted racially superior, self obsessed ones.

    Only a gull would believe otherwise. Bunch of birdbrains, in fact.

    • 同意: utu, Mao Cheng Ji
    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Carroll Price
  89. @eggheadshadhisnumber

    Can someone explain this? I haven’t a clue what he or she is talking about.

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @iffen
    , @Sam Shama
  90. Talha 说:
    @Karl

    嘿,卡尔,

    a religion gets to declare a place to be its “Holy City”, if the religion is indigenous to that place?

    Makes no difference to us; the Biblical prophets are ours too and we claim them as such.

    This is not about belief because there is no way to argue about that; Buddhists can declare it to be a Holy City for all we care. We can simply show facts that, when Muslims had control of that city, they allowed Jews to reside there – often to the consternation of Christian voices.

    There is no way the Muslim world will stand by if Israelis intend to empty out Jerusalem of its Muslim population (assuming I read the man’s words right). Not after spilling blood and pitting steel for nearly 14 centuries against Byzantines, Latins, Mongols, French, etc. for sovereignty.

    Right now – everyone should try to stick to the UN plan for the city and not overstep any bounds in an already volatile situation.

    和平:

    • 回复: @Karl
  91. @Fran Macadam

    What ingenious constitutional arrangements do you forsee to allow Jewish fears of being swamped by Arab voters to be overcome?

    • 回复: @Art
  92. @Karl

    Why should Native Born White American Christians continue to subsidize Greater Israel…and send off their teenage sons to die as canon fodder for Greater Israel?

    • 回复: @Karl
  93. MMM 说:
    @Wally

    Wally: P.S. — I admire your persistence regardless the considerable number of “sayanim volunteers” here, paid and unpaid, not to mention the many gatekeepers, the disinformed, etc. A lot is at stake for us all and it takes courage to look and see and speak up for sanity and freedom.

  94. 主,
    does israel conquer america continent? And all the world is blaming america continent (of huge power posture) now?

    主,
    should america continent hug the huge of better temporary influences of israelis?

    主,
    we believe in YOU .. clearly unbelieve in any arsenal that hurt every human rights here and there

    主,
    does israel do conquer america continent of freedom?

  95. @Mao Cheng Ji

    I sometimes wonder if you are trolling as you don’t seem to be stupid. But the idea of the “people of Palestine” returning (sic – you aren’t referring in reality to many people who were their before) to “rebuild their villages” is beyond ludicrous. Who wants to live in a village these days? Villlages built again where now there is a factory or a freeway? What do you do for employment or home sites when your family has multiplied by five or ten times in number? As for the peaceful past!!

    • 回复: @E. A. Costa
    , @Mao Cheng Ji
  96. Sam Shama 说:

    我一直不明白为什么“宗教”犹太人反对巴勒斯坦人共同居住在一块共同的祖先土地上; 也没有哈马斯/好朋友宣布他们打算把每个犹太人扔进海里。

    我认为特朗普着眼于现实,俄罗斯和中东许多国家都希望接受现实:以色列将成为一个主权国家,将公民身份扩展到世界银行中的巴勒斯坦人。 她有财力成功执行此操作。 反过来,伙伴们必须向国家宣誓效忠,并为更美好的共同未来而努力。 那些不想离开的人可以自由离开并获得公平的补偿。

    担心人口未来的犹太人应该尽自己的一份力量,因为事实上他们已经做了,看起来相当忙碌,最近犹太人的出生率超过了帕尔率。

  97. iffen 说:
    @Talha

    for “only the Jewish people”

    They would tread lightly in this regard. It is inconceivable that they would antagonize and cut themselves off from evangelical Christians. I have many contacts in that community and will put in a good word for you and your peeps concerning access to the Holy Sites if things get out of hand.

  98. Talha 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I am also quite confused – and going to the archive of this poster reveals no clues…

    I can only ask:
    “Allie, are you OK? Are you OK, Allie?”

    Hopefully she has not been hit by a smooth criminal.

    和平:

    • 回复: @Qasim
    , @jacques sheete
  99. @jacques sheete

    At the risk of taking seriously mere trolling about psychometrics and its history allow me to ask what Nobel Prizes you are referring to in the same breath as Pulitzer Prizes as “laughable”.

    Presumably the separately governed Peace Prizes? Possibly the late added Economics Nobels? Literature? But I don’t suppose you would want to dismiss the positive significance to hard science and medicine of the work which was honoured by about 98/99 per cent of the hard science Nobels awarded.

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
    , @E. A. Costa
  100. RobinG 说:

    OBAMA’S CHRISTMAS EVE ASSAULT ON FIRST AMENDMENT

    The Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act

    The attack on our freedom of speech has begun. What do you bet that criticizing Israel gets labeled ‘Disinformation and Propaganda’? Not to mention any reporting on Syria or Ukraine that questions official US line.
    http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/12/26/under-cover-christmas-obama-establishes-controversial-anti-propaganda-agency

    OBAMA GUILTY OF FELONY OR TREASON
    Obama should be prosecuted for providing aid to terrorists.

    Looks like Obama is setting booby-traps for P.E. Trump. But shouldn’t Obama be held accountable for his crimes? Since 2012 at least (i.e. his entire second term) Obama has been training and funding groups allied with terrorists. That is a crime. Any regular citizen would be prosecuted for providing aid to terrorists. The only question: felony or treason?

    SENATE AND CONGRESS GUILTY OF AIDING AND ABETTING, OR OF MISPRISION, WHICH IS ALSO A FELONY

    • 回复: @alexander
  101. iffen 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Apparently a commenter with the handle vintueil and egghead know each other. One doxed the other, I forget which, it doesn’t have anything to do with anything.

    • 回复: @5371
  102. MMM 说:
    @nsa

    No way are “the rest of us” going to be left out of it. We’re hosts — parasites need those; too few of we-the-hosts seem to realize we don’t need our blood drained to the last drop though. And this has been going on for a very long time (google “Tacitus and the Jews”). “When will we ever learn?” in enough numbers to make a difference? Maybe we won’t.

  103. Max Payne 说:

    Why is Israel so evil?

    But at least we’ll finally get a war with Iran. Iran is a great nation with a great history (real history). Their people are proud of their country. So they’ll fight for it! Not like Saddams boys.

    Who knows maybe even Israel will launch an attack on Hezbollah (though I doubt it).

    The DoD opened combat positions to women expanding its recruitment pool for the eventual occupation force needed for Iran.

    Think of all the movies and games that can be sold based on a new war with Iran in Western markets.

    It’s gonna be great.

  104. Sam Shama 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    He is a Jewish rights warrior [or worrier] of sorts, decent enough chap I reckon; other than carrying a virulent hatred for those he considers antijewish. I had exchanged words with him on this forum.

    This post is weird, to say the least, it suggests someone stalked and physically accosted him, with serious consequences. The mention of his own passing is suggestive of what Ron Unz had hinted at in those past exchanges – mental illness.

    e.g., you might care to follow the thread on this one:

    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/what-do-jennifer-rubin-and-brett-stephens-have-against-nativism-oh-wait/?highlight=Sobran#comment-1586859

  105. vinteuil 说:
    @eggheadshadhisnumber

    “I have no taste for confrontation…”

    Anybody who’s curious can check out your posting history here and see for themselves your penchant for malice and dishonesty.

    • 回复: @Max Payne
  106. @Wizard of Oz

    “但‘巴勒斯坦人民’返回(原文如此——你实际上并不是指许多以前是他们的人)“重建他们的村庄”的想法是荒谬的。 现在谁愿意住在村子里? 在现在有工厂或高速公路的地方重新建造了村庄? 当您的家庭人数增加了五倍或十倍时,您为就业或家庭网站做什么? 至于和平的过去!!”

    尤其是当以色列人砍伐和焚烧他们所有的橄榄树时。 顺便说一下,这是旧约所禁止的大罪。

    你真的不熟悉农民,是吗? 或者橄榄树。 它们需要二十年才能成熟并结出长达数百年的果实。

    但把问题反过来——为什么早期的犹太复国主义者要在一千多年后回到以色列,以新黑格尔异端的形象重新建立和重建一个“以色列”,尤其是因为他们中的许多人是无神论者或不可知论者?

    还有,为什么有人想要住在肮脏俗气的公寓、高速公路、墙壁等的圣地? 基布兹也许可以理解,像巴勒斯坦农民一样种地,对吗? Netanyahuesque 房地产投机者的鸽巢?

    • 同意: edNels
    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  107. @Sam Shama

    Señor Trump 是 PT Barnum redivivus。 他一生中从未正视过现实。 他看到的是他的名字写在整个景观中,镶嵌着黄金,看起来很优雅,酒店,赌场等等。 Señor Netanyahu 有没有答应给他一个可以俯瞰围墙的高层酒店赌场?

  108. Qasim 说:
    @Talha

    I am just speculating, but that commenter egregiously doxxed somebody else on this site a few months ago, he divulged his name, where he worked, he even posted selfies of the guy; it was unbelievably contemptuous. Maybe that guy, or some of his friends, or people who agree with his views (the guy who was doxxed was a white-nationalist type) sought out revenge??

    • 回复: @Talha
  109. @Wizard of Oz

    And you have the gall to suggest trolling…

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  110. @Talha

    I am also quite confused – and going to the archive of this poster reveals no clues…

    I also went to comment archives looking for clues but found none.

  111. @Sam Shama

    “担心人口未来的犹太人应该尽自己的一份力量,因为事实上他们已经这样做了,看起来相当忙碌,最近的犹太人出生率超过了帕尔率。”

    有趣的是,以色列出生率最高的是哈雷迪犹太人。 他们的一个问题范围从对犹太复国主义和后期以色列漠不关心到对两者都充满敌意:

    “鉴于目前每位 Haredi 母亲大约有 25 个孩子的出生率,一些人预测他们将在几十年内占人口的 XNUMX%。 其中很大一部分是对以色列国漠不关心到彻头彻尾的敌对,并拒绝在其军队中服役。 去年,一名身着制服的以色列国防军军官在 Mea Shearim 被扔石头、鸡蛋和尿布。”

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2016/may/12/for-haredi-jews-secular-zionism-remains-a-religious-heresy

    那么在巴勒斯坦人之后,内塔尼亚胡犹太复国主义帝国打击名单上的下一个是谁?

  112. @Wizard of Oz

    瑞典学院甚至为所谓的“硬科学”和医学制定了议程。

    Henry Judah Heimlich 是否获得或什至曾被认真考虑获得诺贝尔医学奖,这是他当之无愧的?

    那为什么不呢? 即使根据现实粗略地回答这个问题,你也会发现相同议程的某些方面。

    • 回复: @E. A. Costa
  113. @Lot

    “这是以色列的征服权。”

    那是谁的征服——英国人?

    • 回复: @Lot
    , @Karl
  114. @Karl

    Abraham or Avram came from Sumer. The Elohim were the gods of the lands now known as Israel/Palestine. Certainly, whatever one chooses to call the Creator it is surely the same one for all of us and for every living thing.

    Stories about gods saying this and that regarding land or commandments are just the result of con tricks played on primitive, unsophisticated fools choosing to believe in an anthropomorphic God. That some people still believe and are still around to comment on The Unz Review is a sad commentary on our species.

  115. Art 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    What ingenious constitutional arrangements do you forsee to allow Jewish fears of being swamped by Arab voters to be overcome?

    Good people – people of good will can always find a way to work things out.

    The problem is that the Jews want it all – they do not want a solution.

    It is clear from all the Jew comments – that is so.

    和平—艺术

  116. @E. A. Costa

    “1984 年,海姆利希博士获得了多项荣誉,获得了阿尔伯特拉斯克公共服务奖,这是美国最负盛名的医学科学奖项之一,因为他为危及生命的紧急情况提供了‘简单、实用、免费的解决方案,需要既没有强大的力量,也没有特殊的装备,也没有精心的训练。'...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/us/dr-henry-j-heimlich-famous-for-antichoking-technique-dies-at-96.html

    请参阅:“针对危及生命的紧急情况的简单、实用、免费的解决方案,不需要强大的力量、特殊设备或精心培训。”

    你开始暖和了。

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  117. Alden 说:
    @E. A. Costa

    既然你这么看不起我们,为什么还在这里发帖。 你对我们的态度和犹太天才对我们的态度一样

  118. Max Payne 说:
    @vinteuil

    How dare you Nancy’s bring your illiterate retard drama onto 乌兹网

    Just shoot each other already.

  119. alexander 说:
    @RobinG

    谁知道罗宾,

    也许所有拥有大型媒体集团的寡头以及其他人,都会发现自己穿着橙色连身裤,并因欺骗美国人民陷入灾难性的伊拉克战争而被关押在关塔那摩湾?。

    The citizenry of our nation were thoroughly conned out of trillions (upon trillions) of our tax dollars , to initiate a war of aggression and murder countless of innocent people who never attacked us on 9-11 …and never intended to .

    为什么没问题?

    Why wouldn’t President Trump, who in his own words stated “they lied us into the Iraq war” make this a top priority of his administration ?

    有没有一个美国人,在任何地方,如果他这样做了,谁会抱怨?

    真的有一个体面的美国公民,你可以在我们国家的任何地方找到,他喜欢被骗走他或她的钱去谋杀无数从未对任何人做过任何事情的人吗?

    I don’t think so….do you ?

    当然,将这些欺骗性寡头的合并资产收回到我们国家的资产负债表(它理应归属的地方)将大大有助于为特朗普总统希望启动的万亿美元基础设施项目提供资金。

    Wouldn’t they ?

    Perhaps President Obama felt we should look forward and not back, but that was before the full realization of this massive, deceitful “war fraud”(as well as its outrageous costs) had crystallized in the minds of most Americans ….besides, the last time I checked there is no statute of limitations on murder…Is there ?

    If all the pretexts for the Iraq war were contrived and phony from the get-go (and it seems quite clear now , that they were)…. why , pray tell, should the burden of the costs of that war be born on the backs of the 300 million Americans who were lied into it ?….Shouldn’t the liars…the “war propagandists” bear the burden ?

    Wouldn’t passing a law against “War Fraud” and “War Propaganda” be a fine thing, especially if its made retroactive to 2002 ?

    How else will they ever learn that “lying” us into “war” is NOT okay ?

    否则他们将如何吸取教训?

    • 同意: Miro23, schmenz
    • 回复: @E. A. Costa
  120. Talha 说:
    @Qasim

    Salaam Qasim,

    Live by the sword…I guess. Both acts are deplorable to me – seems a shame to try to destroy each others’ lives over a tiff on an anonymous forum – just my opinion.

    瓦萨拉姆

    • 回复: @vinteuil
  121. @alexander

    “有没有一个美国人,在任何地方,如果他这样做了,谁会抱怨?”

    迪克·切尼?

  122. Alden 说:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    The vat should be made of glass so all can see her torment

  123. Anon • 免责声明 说:

    Hmmm.. Erdogan really seems to believe that the US was behind the recent coup.

    Or maybe he is just sour at the US for having misled him that Assad would fall but not delivering on the promise.

    Or maybe he is trying to push the blame on OTHERS when he himself clearly supported ISIS.

  124. Lot 说:
    @E. A. Costa

    那是谁的征服——英国人?

    征服英国腾出的领土,战胜了当地的阿拉伯人和埃及、伊拉克、叙利亚和约旦的入侵军队。

    英国人打算给犹太人大约一半的现代以色列,但英国人永远不会保卫那些预定的边界。

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestine_war

  125. Alden 说:
    @Anon

    Average JEWISH IQ in Israel is something like 95. It will get lower because the hasids have most of the children and their state supported religious schools don’t go further than 4th grade

    The basis kids don’t learn math much beyond 4 the grade. All the girls need to know is how to cook, have babies and go to the benefits office.
    All the boys need to do us learn to read so they can spend the rest of their lives studying religion

    Since the descendants of Russian commie Zionists have few kids and the various sects of looney orthodox have most of the kids Israeli IQ will get lower each generation

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  126. Lot 说:
    @5371

    How do you think Christians 1000 years ago would have looked on the Holy Land being occupied by a Jewish state?

    They would have preferred it to Islamic rule and viewed it as in accordance with the Bible.

    • 回复: @5371
    , @Talha
    , @Gabriel M
    , @schmenz
  127. Lot 说:
    @Svigor

    Our problem is far more with diaspora Jewry, than it is with Israel.

    If the muzzies ever take over Israel, guess where the Israeli Jews will all come!

    Ashkenazi Israeli mean IQ is like 104, IIRC. Vast majority of the smart Jews live in the diaspora.

    I agree Ashkenazi Israelis have lower IQ than full-blooded non-Israeli Ashkenazi because the choice to become a farmer-soldier in Israel v a citizen of a safe Western democracy would have sorted by IQ.

    Regression to the mean, however, would have greatly narrowed these differences by now.

    Ultimately it isn’t very important going forward, as fewer and fewer full-blooded Ashkenazi are being born as they intermix with whites and asians in the USA and Sephardi and Slav-Ashkenazi hybrids from the former USSR.

    • 回复: @OilcanFloyd
  128. TJM 说:
    @Anonymous

    That’s so funny, I was thinking the same thing, but instead of the Palestinians I was thinking Israel.

    I mean, as an American, nothing would be better then to remove the Jewish enemy that currently infests this once great nation.

  129. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Johnny F. Ive

    That just delayed the war with Russia though.

    People here seem to be thrilled that Trump is bff with Putin. It is just a ruse. The game is to weaken China by turning Russia against China and to topple Iran. Then the US will use its superior military to take down China.

    Once China is dealt with, the west will focus on economically destroying Russia. Russia cannot be controlled economically with China still standing, but without China the Russians can be starved into submission.

    If you wonder why Russia is always a target no matter what, you need to read up on the Heartland and Mackinder. Russia is always the number 1 target.

  130. KenH 说:
    @Talha

    Süleyman the Magnificent invites Jewish refugees from the Spanish expulsion to settle in his realm. Jerusalem

    So Suleiman the Mag was a lover and not a fighter? IMO, he had an ulterior motive since Jews possessed wealth, education and influence in Europe which could benefit the Ottoman Empire. I doubt it was because he was committed to religious tolerance and pluralism.

    Spanish Jewish expellees were also welcomed by other Christian states like England, France, and Holland, so it wasn’t as if Christian Europe slammed the door shut on Jews. Only Spain did and it appears with pretty good reason depending on the historical account(s) once chooses to believe.

    Some Muslims, blaming Jews for their own declining fortunes, committed atrocities against those making their journey to the coastal areas where ships would take them to other Christian states or places controlled by the Ottoman Empire. The Spanish Christians did little to protect them.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Talha
  131. Svigor 说:

    If the muzzies ever take over Israel, guess where the Israeli Jews will all come!

    Yeah, I know. I’ve heard all the angles, believe me. I’ve certainly heard that one many times, anyway. 95% of everything I’ve ever heard, in fact, I heard first discussing the issue at Stormfront.

    Just gonna have to live with the risk, I guess. The Sampson Option, Mutually Assured Destruction, etc.

    So says either a *人类* worshipper or a descendent of *calf* worshippers, who have committed far greater murderous barbarity that us Muslim “barbarians.” H3ll will be a most appropriate place for likes of you, if you actually believed in such a thing.

    Obviously Lot gave you reason to retaliate, so I’ve no objection there. But, Muslims really have no room to criticize along the lines you’ve chosen. You hold up a child-molesting bandit and murderer as your “perfect model of humanity”; your Christ, in effect.

    Put another way, your greatest religious aspirations are to child-molesting, banditry, murder, etc. Sorry to break it to you, but this is baked into the Muslim cake.

    Pals in turn must pledge fealty to the state and work towards a better shared future. Those that wish not to, are free to leave with fair compensation.

    I’m afraid any such pledge would be worthless.

    担心人口未来的犹太人应该尽自己的一份力量,因为事实上他们已经做了,看起来相当忙碌,最近犹太人的出生率超过了帕尔率。

    They’re setting the stage for reclaiming Eretz Israel, in the name of Lebensraum. They won’t use that word much, though.

  132. Svigor 说:

    They’re setting the stage for reclaiming Eretz Israel, in the name of Lebensraum. They won’t use that word much, though.

    I mean, what will borders do to stop them? They’ll colonize Jordan, Lebanon, etc. And invade to “protect Jewish minorities there” in future. They can have PMCs do the day-to-day security, and run cross-border raids when the real military is needed. Who’s gonna stop them? The UN? On paper, it will still be Jordanian, Lebanese, etc., territory, but in reality, it will be Israeli.

  133. Paul C. 说:
    @Art

    The private bankers that conspired and created the unconstitutional Federal Reserve, control our currency and have an infinite supply of money. They own the United States (which was turned into a corporation in 1871). They own our gov’t, media, medical establishment and all major institutions. They created Israel and wreak havoc on the world in the form of wars. They control all the central banks (except for North Korea, Iran and Cuba) and therefore control the world.

    They’re in the process of culling the world population through chemtrails, vaccines and wars. We need a worldwide awakening and revolution to take control back. There’s billions of us but unfortunately everyone is asleep.

    • 回复: @El Dato
    , @Wizard of Oz
    , @Art
  134. @Lot

    “I agree Ashkenazi Israelis have lower IQ than full-blooded non-Israeli Ashkenazi because the choice to become a farmer-soldier in Israel v a citizen of a safe Western democracy would have sorted by IQ.”

    I thought that one of the big unmentionable sins of the Zionists is that they turned away lots of Jews from British occupied Palestine during WWII, and afterwards, on the grounds that they were mentally and/or physically unfit for the planned Zionist state. The Zionists used eugenics against Jews, so you would think that the Ashkenazis in Israel would be at least on par with the Ashkenazis elsewhere. The sabras were supposed to be mentally and physically superior beings, which is ironic beyond belief on so many levels. They apparently failed on both goals.

    Why don’t diaspora Jews make an issue of Israel’s rejection of other Jews as being unfit to be Israelis?

    https://azvsas.blogspot.com/2009/05/nazi-zionist-eugenics.html

  135. Karl 说:
    @E. A. Costa

    > 那是谁的征服——英国人?

    no, it would be those souls who are currently sleeping in Israel’s numerous Military Cemeteries. Whatever we possess, was given to us by them, on a silver platter.

    外部物资的帮助和支持总是被感激地接受。 然而,那些墓地里到处都是我们自己的人。

  136. Karl 说:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    > 继续补贴大以色列……

    if that money gets cut off…. fine with me, as long as you ALSO stop giving money & guns to our neighbors. Use the money to pay down your debt. History teaches us that merely paying of 1% of a debt can turn things around, a LOT.

    > 送走他们十几岁的儿子作为大以色列的佳能饲料而死?

    one of the favorite themes here. We didn’t directly gain anything from your Iraq or Afghanistan adventures. It is possible to posit second-order and third-order effects that were helpful to us….. however comma, i don’t think anyone can accurately measure those.

    We get a LOT more results from dealing with those sorts of people ourselves, quietly. Consider the cases of two Muslim countries: Azerbaijan & Khazakhstan. Cureently de-facto aligned with us….. That was OUR foreign ministry, every step of the way.

    顺便说一句,Talha,我们在以色列国防军中有很多穆斯林,在边防警察中有更多穆斯林。 唯一的争论点是你拒绝停止,阻止犹太人在圣殿山上祈祷。 即使只是闭上眼睛站着不动,也会被穆斯林警察逮捕。

    There wasn’t one American soldier’s downrange deployment which cut even ONE DAY off the reserve duty Israelis still need to do to man checkpoints. Our problem is the Palestinians. Whatever happens in Anbar province or Kandahar province doesn’t change the daily reality of needing to put these Palestinians through metal-detectors to find knives. It just doesn’t.

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @geokat62
    , @E. A. Costa
  137. Miro23 说:
    @Sam Shama

    Israel is to be the sovereign nation which extends citizenship to Palestinians in the WB. She has the wherewithal to execute this successfully. Pals in turn must pledge fealty to the state and work towards a better shared future. Those that wish not to, are free to leave with fair compensation.

    Here’s the German “Lebensraum” version:

    Germany is to be the sovereign nation which extends citizenship to Russians and Ukrainians in the Eastern Territories. She has the wherewithal to execute this successfully. Ethnic Russians and Ukrainians in turn must pledge fealty to the German state and work towards a better shared future. Those that wish not to, are free to leave with fair compensation.

    Except that 1) It was Russian land to start with 2) It was taken by force 3) Ethnic Germans will form a new upper class and have economic priority 4) Many Russians and Ukrainians will be obliged to leave – and without compensation.

  138. Junior 说:

    10.4 MILLION DOLLARS A DAY, we send in “aid” to Israel.

    For what?!

    Our goddamn infrastructure and everything else is LITERALLY falling apart around us in this country. Bridges collapsing. Roads with potholes the size of manhole covers causing deadly blowout accidents. Schools falling apart, Veterans dying while waiting for hospital visits, drug overdose death rates skyrocketing, homeless and jobless Americans in the millions. And the list goes on and on of issues that Americans need aid with.

    But instead of using that money to try to fix these problems, in America, for Americans that need aid, what do we do?

    我们发送 10.4 MILLION DOLLARS A DAY in “aid” to Israel.

    For what?!

    Imagine if we used that 10.4 MILLION DOLLARS A DAY on American aid instead of to destroy our International name by subsidizing the building of illegal settlements, the running of the worlds largest open-air prison, the maintaining of an apartheid wall, and slaughter of Palestinian families in their homes with weapons made and paid for by us.

    Mr. Giraldi wrote yet another great piece with this “Welcome to Greater Israel” article. Here’s a “Welcome to Gaza” to see what our 10.4 MILLION DOLLARS A DAY has bought us. How much longer are we going to allow this to continue?

    • 回复: @Dave Bowman
  139. @Wizard of Oz

    Who wants to live in a village these days?

    Whoa, what a way to miss the point. For all I care, they can build a super-futuristic metropolis, if they prefer; the point is that the region’s native people should be in control of their land; not exactly a novel or controversial concept.

    It’s just that over 400 Palestinian villages have been depopulated and about a hundred of them destroyed by European settler-colonists since 1948…

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  140. @E. A. Costa

    An agenda you say? Who could have ever guessed, eh? Please don’t spoil the sweet dreams of the innocent, good sir! 😉

    The Buzzard itself mentioned the “Peace” prize. That should have been its first clue.

  141. @Anonymous

    The word ‘Barbarian’ in your title is redundant.

  142. @E. A. Costa

    Well I’ll grant that those escaping the shtetl had one thing in common with the Palestinian refugees’ descendants. That is an embarrassingly high fertility which was perhaps even more of a problem for them than those for whom the UN organises sustenance and shelter. But that is about as far as your comparison is useful. Palestine had a lot of underused land when the first Zionists arrived. Not true today of Israel apart from parts of the Negev. Small holdings and small scale co-operatives were an aspirational novelty as well as subject for romantic nostalgia 100 plus years ago for often illiterate, often intellectual socialist Jews. The situation of Palestinians in their diaspora or benefiting (somewhat) from the post WW2 refugee convention is very different.

    至于你关于橄榄的观点,碰巧我确实知道一些关于橄榄的选择和手工种植并采摘水果。 你关于农民和橄榄树的观点直接与你的论点相矛盾。 为什么要在城镇或相当大的难民营中维持三代人的贫穷但现代的生活会考虑一项协议,允许他们中的那些来自拥有橄榄的农民的后裔种植小型橄榄园,这可能在 20 年后开始支持现在大家庭的一小部分?

    • 回复: @E. A. Costa
  143. El Dato 说:

    I wonder if it is time to cleanse official positions of “foreign agents” yet.

    And “the press” worries about Russia…. (now Obama has announced “retaliation” for the clear-and-present influencing of US elections; this means there will be “events” in Russia in the next two weeks and maybe a few dead-by-terrorist ambassadors too; I wonder what the return ticket will be)

  144. @Paul C.

    What is the argument of constitutional law which justifies the statement that the Federal Reserve is uncontitutional?

    Has that argument ever been tested in the courts? If not why not?

    • 回复: @Paul C.
  145. @KenH

    I am surprised that you say Spanish Jews went to England and France. The Netherlands very likely but my recollection is that there were practically no Jews in England from their expulsion in the late 13th century until readmission under Cromwell. (I recall that some Jewish physician got blamed for something under Queen Elizabeth but he was no doubt blamed for misrepresenting the unique skills which justified his residency).

    • 回复: @KenH
  146. Gabriel M 说:
    @Svigor

    Reading your comments, it often seems like there’s a reasonable person struggling to get out underneath a bitter liar who resorts to ludicrous Procrustean logic chopping whenever pressed to defend his false claims.

  147. @Mao Cheng Ji

    OK -I won’t stop to question anything about your last paragraph but do ask that you flavour your suggestions with realism and perhaps work into any ethical argument some arguably relevant principles like those underlying statutes of limitations and prescriptive titles.

    And it would be interesting to know how your suggested principles might apply to very many other occupations extending back to …. whatever date you choose to justify …. including Tibet, Taiwan, West Irian, Crimea, Goa, Matabeleland, Western Sahara, Northern Cyprus, Amazonia etc etc.

    • 回复: @Mao Cheng Ji
  148. Gabriel M 说:
    @Talha

    现实。

    1948-1967. During the Jordanian occupation of East Jerusalem, all Jewish residents were expelled, Jewish access to holy sites was forbidden, all synagogues were destroyed and their stones were used for public latrines.

    1967- Present. After the liberation of the undivided capital of the Jewish people. Muslims live in East Jerusalem, they retain ownership of and access to all their holy sites, freedom of religion of all is respected, with the exception of Jews who are not allowed to pray on the temple mount, in violation of the Israeli constitution. By way of thankyou for the undeserved magnanimity of the Israeli government, Jerusalem’s Muslims use their “holy” Al Aqsa to hold frequent riots, sometimes throwing Molotov cocktails into the Western Wall plaza.

    But biting the hand that feeds you whilst lying about it is just what Muslims do, always and everywhere.

    • 回复: @Talha
  149. Talha 说:
    @Lot

    嘿,洛特,

    From a historical basis; every time the Christians (Antiquity or Medieval) got hold of the cities of the Holy Land it usually did not turn out well for the Jews. Here are some citations I’ve made before…

    Taking just the city of Jerusalem as an example, here is what journalist and historian Nissim Rejwan (an Iraqi Jew) wrote about the phenomenon:
    “It is interest to note here that, as far as Palestine is concerned, the right of Jews to ‘return’ to live in this small area of land was accepted by all successive Muslim rulers from the Muslim conquest to the end of the nineteenth century, when Zionist settlement there became entangled in European weltpolitik. Gibb and Bowen relate how, when the Jews of Europe ‘learned of the paradisiacal life awaiting them in Turkey’ and many of them set out for Palestine, it was not the Muslims who objected but the [Christian] Franciscans of Jerusalem, ‘who talked the Pope into forbidding the Venetians to carry Jewish passengers to the Holy Land.’ This was not the first time Jerusalem Christians tried to prevail on Muslim rulers to ban Jews from living in the city. A similar attempt was made first when the second Caliph, Omar, entered Jerusalem at the time of its conquest by the Muslim army in the seventh century, and again when Salah ad-Din [Saladin] drove out the Crusaders in the twelfth. On both of these occasions, the Christian patriarch of the city tried to persuade the Muslim conquerors to prevent Jews from living in or (as in the latter case) returning to Jerusalem after they had been expelled from it by the Christians. Both Omar and Salah ad-Din refused to heed their pleas.”
    Israel’s Place in the Middle East: A Pluralist Perspective

    The ban that Umar (ra) lifted had been in place for 500 years:
    “Umar fulfilled the hopes of Jews by refusing the church’s request to continue the ban against Jewish residence and inviting them back into the city. In the seventh century, as Jerusalem came into Muslim hands, the ban on Jewish residence was lifted. After approximately 500 years of being Judenrein, Jerusalem again included a Jewish community. Jews long banned from living in Jerusalem by Christian rulers, were permitted to return, live, and worship in the city of Solomon and David.”
    http://www1.american.edu/ted/hpages/jeruselum/muslim.htm

    “奥马尔允许犹太人在耶路撒冷重新建立他们的存在——在时隔 500 年后……犹太传统认为奥马尔是一位仁慈的统治者……”
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0015_0_15096.html

    和平:

    • 回复: @Lot
  150. Gabriel M 说:
    @Lot

    Stupid question, stupid answer. Apart from anything else, the Crusaders wouldn’t consider the Protestant population of the US to be legitimate Christians. I doubt they’d consider the Pope to be a Christian. What is the point in talking about stupid stuff like this? Is Bibi going to sack Venice or something?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Constantinople_(1204)

    • 回复: @Lot
  151. Talha 说:
    @Karl

    嘿,卡尔,

    we have PLENTY of Muslims in the IDF and EVEN MORE in the Border Police

    Yes the Circassians (being the tough Caucasians that they are) have historically been some of our toughest fighters too. Anybody who doesn’t take advantage of the martial prowess is wasting good material.

    The only point of contention is YOUR refusal to stop, stopping Jews from praying on the Temple Mount.

    I don’t refuse them anything. That land is supposed to be shared as well as the Holy sites. I think this is deplorable if it is happening – I’m sure accommodations can be made from a logistical perspective so the Palestinian authorities should make it so. I like Arab nationalism and supremacy about as much as I do the Jewish kind.

    非常感谢有关此法律限制的引用。

    和平:

    • 回复: @Gabriel M
  152. @Alden

    Not much lower probably because those descendants of the late Medieval hasids largely preserve the good genes (don’t hold me to precise knowledge of Jewish history but my understanding is that the selection for cognitive abilities ended by about 1650 when Askenazi population growth meant there were many more young people than could make money as bankers, merchants or estate managers and that at about the same time the Hasidic emotional forms of Judaism took off). The very large families of Haredim (I may be confused but aren’t they sometimes caĺled Ultra Orthodox?) are so inbred in Israel that they have lots of retarded children but thatof course doesn’t prevent the other children preserving and reproducing the good genes.

  153. @jacques sheete

    I would challenge you to justify the suggestion of trolling except that you are so clearly trying to divert attention from your having just blurted out whatever rubbish popped into your head on a subject of which you knew bugger all. You make no attempt to justify your crude bluster to which I was replying with questions designed to elucidate what you meant and in a later post make it even clearer that you are ignorant of what you claim to have an opinion about by failing to note that the Peace Prize is awarded by the Norwegians, not the Swedes!

    Better to stop digging.

  154. Talha 说:
    @KenH

    嘿KenH,

    So Suleiman the Mag was a lover and not a fighter?

    He was both; the number of concubines those sultans had – let me tell ya! I think the citation already states ‘Playing to Messianic expectations…’ which connotes ulterior motives.

    I doubt it was because he was committed to religious tolerance and pluralism.

    You have that wrong – those policies were good for commerce and taxation; the sultans took full advantage:
    “For a long time the Ottoman empire was a relatively benign regime. In the sixteenth and seventeenth century, as the kings of Christian Europe were burning heretics at the stake, the sultans saw to it that the various religions in their empire were protected from each other…It was a regime of material self-interest, designed to increase the wealth and power of the Ottoman dynasty, but taxes were not very burdensome and some of the empire’s great wealth filtered back to the subject populations.”
    https://my.vanderbilt.edu/robertdrews/files/2014/01/Chapter-Thirty.-The-Ottoman-Empire-Judaism-and-Eastern-Europe-to-1648.pdf

    Spanish Jewish expellees were also welcomed by other Christian states like England, France, and Holland, so it wasn’t as if Christian Europe slammed the door shut on Jews.

    Never implied that, but what does this have to do with the discussion of Palestine? I could also cite that the same Jews settled in Morocco and Egypt – but, who cares?

    Some Muslims, blaming Jews for their own declining fortunes, committed atrocities against those making their journey to the coastal areas where ships would take them to other Christian states or places controlled by the Ottoman Empire.

    Citation would be nice, but let’s take it at face value that ignorant Muslim mobs committed violence to minorities as they do today.

    It would not be surprising that his predecessor, the Caliph Beyazid II, who took in Jewish refugees from the original ejection from Spain sent the royal navy to help pick them up under royal protection:
    “During the years 1490 to 1497 Sultan Bayezid II accepted the exiled Jews from Italy, Spain and Portugal. In 1492 Kemal Reis and his fleet were sent to Cadiz to take the Jews in charge…The last lot of Jews gathered in the port of Cadiz faced a dilemma: Those who left port were attacked by the pirates, those who went on land were burned at the stake by the inquisition. About a thousand people waited in anguish. At the last minute arrived a small fleet manned by the Turkish admiral Kemal Reis who took the refugees under his protection.”
    http://www.sephardicstudies.org/sultans1.html

    He also issued an edict to stop harassment, which would not have been necessary had it not been a potential problem:
    “The Grand Rabbi Moshe Kapsali (1420-1495), leader of the Jewish Nation, who resided in Constantinople and enjoyed favor of the Imperial Court, had obtained from the Sultan a firmanwhereby the ‘penalty of death’ was decreed against anyone who would dare to mistreat them (the Sephardi immigrants) or cause the slightest injury.”
    History of the Turkish Jews and Sephardim: Memories of a Past Golden Age

    和平:

    • 回复: @KenH
  155. Talha 说:
    @Gabriel M

    Hey Gabriel,

    Citations would be nice.

    But see my comment to KenH. If that happened or is happening – then it is a gross violation of the historic trust we have over administration of those lands and sites. The Muslims who are doing that are condemned by their own sacred law for those violations. As I said, I like Arab nationalism as much as Jewish kind.

    But biting the hand that feeds you whilst lying about it is just what Muslims do, always and everywhere.

    I keep on hearing similar claims about Jews – but I know better than to pay such nonsense any attention.

    和平:

  156. @LondonBob

    Opinion is changing – I remember on a forum such as this when there would be only a couple of comments critical of Israel. Now, such comments are sometimes the majority – comments excusing/glorifying Israel’s racism and land-theft are becoming the minority, and a hysterical minority at that making little sense. Of course, people willing to comment on public forums, are not the whole electorate, but they are usually on the front edge of public opinion, and that is moving against Zionism. The politicians will lag, because they are not the smartest and they are always looking for a bribe (e.g. the Clintons). I wouldn’t put Trump in this category. When he figures out that backing the racism and the land-theft of the Zionists is a losing position, he will be the next target of Netanyahu’s temper tantrums.
    The Sun is setting on racist Imperial Israel, and I don’t believe that any celestial being is going to interfere.

  157. @Wizard of Oz

    And it would be interesting to know how your suggested principles might apply

    As far as I’m aware, Israel is the only active case of Western settler colonialism today. If you know of any other case, name it.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  158. geokat62 说:
    @Karl

    one of the favorite themes here. We didn’t directly gain anything from your Iraq or Afghanistan adventures. It is possible to posit second-order and third-order effects that were helpful to us….. however comma, i don’t think anyone can accurately measure those.

    According to Profs. Mearsheimer and Walt:

    以色列对战争的热情最终导致其在美国的一些盟友告诫以色列官员减轻鹰派言论,以免战争看起来像是为以色列而战。 例如,在2002年秋天,一群称为“以色列计划”的美国政治顾问向美国的主要以色列人和亲以色列领导人散发了六页的备忘录。 该备忘录的标题为“谈论伊拉克”,旨在作为有关战争的公开声明的指南。 “如果您的目标是改变政权,那么由于潜在的抵制,您必须更加谨慎地使用自己的语言。 您不希望美国人相信对伊拉克的战争是为了保护以色列而不是为了保护美国。”

  159. Gabriel M 说:
    @Talha

    非常感谢有关此法律限制的引用。

    我可以给你一个个人引文。

    I visited the temple mount with a friend on the morning of his wedding. First we were searched, reasonably enough, for weapons. Then we had a second search for prayer articles. For instance, they checked my wallet to see that I didn’t have a copy of Psalms or grace after meals. Also, as normal, we weren’t allowed to take water with us since we would make a blessing on it. While on the temple mount we were surrounded by armed (Israeli) guards with their Uzis pointed 向内 在我们。 我用手短促地亲了一块石头,被一个士兵训斥了一顿。 一直以来,嘲笑的阿拉伯人都代表感染这个国家的数千个非政府组织之一拍摄我们,而阿拉伯妇女则大喊大叫(我的阿拉伯语是补救措施,但我很清楚 Yahud 的意思)。 离开时我微微鞠躬并被捕。 他们很快就让我走了,尽管我不得不回去并签署一份声明,说我永远不会再尝试在圣殿山祈祷。

    Anyway, if you were generally curious about the ban on Jewish prayer on our temple that you stole, you could just use google. Instead of telling everyone how reasonable Muslims are and how their misbehavior is always someone else’s fault, why don’t you devote your energies to actually encouraging your fellow Muslims to actually acting reasonably. If you did that the following list would be a hell of a lot shorter.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts

    • 回复: @Gabriel M
    , @Talha
    , @Alden
  160. KenH 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You could be right and I remembered that after my post, but also recall reading somewhere years ago that small number of them were still able to sneak into England between the Spanish expulsion and their formal readmission in 1656. Kind of like how the U.S. has laws against illegal aliens being here yet we have millions of them (likely tens of millions).

  161. Gabriel M 说:
    @Gabriel M

    P.S. This is how Palestinians treat Jewish holy sites today whilst under this terrible occupation they find so onerous, but we should give them East Jerusalem too because of some stuff that Talha said about what happened 500 years ago.

    http://www.takeapen.org/Takeapen/Templates/showpage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=84&FID=954

    • 回复: @Talha
  162. Talha 说:
    @Gabriel M

    嘿加布里埃尔,

    Like I said, I don’t think Muslims have a right to prohibit Jews from praying at their sacred sites as long as it can be reasonably accommodated. So you were harassed by armed Israeli guards? Interesting…

    on our temple that you stole

    Ummm, that was the Romans. And then the Byzantines banned your folk for centuries until our folks beat their armies and garrisons back and let you back in. That is according to your own historians – see my citations. Feel free to cite evidence that Muslims historically prevented Jews from praying at the Temple Mount before all this modern-day Israeli nonsense erupted. Academic sources, please. And, as I keep stating, modern day Muslim governments should not be preventing Jews from praying there – it is not their right.

    how reasonable Muslims are

    Some are quite reasonable, some obviously aren’t.

    how their misbehavior is always someone else’s fault

    Our misbehavior is indeed our fault, your misbehavior is indeed yours.

    That list would also be shorter if the US government did not have an idiotic foreign policy – often set by neo-Conservatives – who have quite a lot of your folk in their cadre. Or do you think Iraq just pulled itself apart out of the blue? We need to work on our murderous and callous people, you need to work on yours.

    和平:

    • 回复: @5371
  163. Lot 说:
    @Talha

    I agree that during that era, Jews were better treated by Muslims than the Crusader Kingdoms.

  164. Art 说:
    @Paul C.

    他们 (jews) control all the central banks (except for North Korea, Iran and Cuba) and therefore control the world.

    The Brits are building a steel mote around Rothschild in London. Got to protect the Jew and his money.

    The city of London is planning to protect its financial district and skyscrapers with a “ring of steel”

    The \$6.14 million plan proposed by the Corporation of London would create a protective ring bordering Liverpool Street, the Bank of England and Fenchurch Street, the Telegraph reports. The area is home to some of the city’s newest and most dramatic skyscrapers.

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201612251048968047-new-ring-of-steel-london/

    Sadly – you can only get this in the Russian media.

    和平—艺术

  165. Talha 说:
    @Gabriel M

    嘿加布里埃尔,

    Go up the thread and actually read what I said was the specific issue I had with Friedman’s statement and what I recommended that people should adhere to.

    Don’t read a bunch of stuff into my statements that I never made and definitely don’t put words in my mouth – that is just decent etiquette.

    But yes, if you or anybody else is going to try to rewrite history on this matter (including those who don’t recognize that rabid Arab nationalism – or extremism – of the post-colonial era had a lot to do with why Jews left their ancestral homelands like Iraq, Yemen, Algeria, etc.) – then yes, expect push back from me.

    和平

    • 回复: @Gabriel M
  166. Due to Zionist 5th columnist occupying key positions at virtually every level within the US government, Israel has emerged the real winner of every US presidential election since Woodrow Wilson became president, followed by implementation of the Federal Reserve Act, World War One – the rest is history.

    • 回复: @Alden
  167. KenH 说:
    @Talha

    Never implied that, but what does this have to do with the discussion of Palestine?

    Nothing but you brought the subject up. I was just trying to add a little balance to things.

    Citation would be nice, but let’s take it at face value that ignorant Muslim mobs committed violence to minorities as they do today.

    See the book titled 最后的十字军:西班牙的伊莎贝拉 一个帐户。
    http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1153174.Isabella_Of_Spain

    Regarding the “sephardstudies.org” link, no doubt Turkish Muslim fleets picked up Jews at Cadiz and other places, but the rest of the account seems to be highly partisan and propagandistic (appears to be a Jewish source). I haven’t studied the minutiae of that time, but it’s likely the Jews made a payment to the Ottomans for their assistance or there was a quid pro quo arrangement of some sort since altruism simply wasn’t in the DNA of the Muslim Ottomans. And there’s no accounts I know of where Spanish Christians were waiting on shore with flammable material in which to summarily immolate Jews who didn’t board the Muslim vessels.

    Makes for sexy atrocity propaganda, though.

    • 回复: @Talha
  168. Rarely repeated. Bill Clinton 1996 received a demanding letter that 7 middle east countries be destroyed for security of Israel. Then the same Chosen Ones, again sent a 1999 letter demanding a New Pearl Harbor Event take place to get Americans rallied up.
    Need I say more what took place for the event to succeed?
    The article is jest. Thanks!

  169. Art 说:

    See Netanyahu out on the end of a limb vigorously sawing.

    Netanyahu snubs May over UN settlements vote

    Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has apparently snubbed Theresa May over the UK’s support of a highly critical UN resolution condemning Israeli settlement building.
    The move is the latest in a series of diplomatic retaliations by Israel against the countries that supported a UN security council resolution describing Jewish settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories as a “flagrant violation” of international law and an obstacle to peace.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/26/netanyahu-snubs-may-over-un-settlements-vote-israeli-media-says

    Netanyahu Rebuffs France on Restarting Mideast Talks

    JERUSALEM — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel on Sunday rebuffed the French idea of restarting the Israeli-Palestinian peace process with international support and the backing of a United Nations Security Council resolution.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/22/world/middleeast/netanyahu-rejects-international-diktat-on-israeli-palestinian-peace-deal.html?_r=0

    The Jews chief Zombie hard at work showing the contempt and loathing they have for humanity.

    • 回复: @Art
  170. @Mao Cheng Ji

    So you are only referring to the West Bank? And you put Israel with its UN recognised boundaries as on the same footing, though older, as Tibet with its Han settlers and West Irian with its Javanese settlers?

    Why are you only concerned by European origin settlement?

    • 回复: @Mao Cheng Ji
  171. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    Please look at the following article that is written by an expert many trust. Unfortunately, now I have a doubt about him. To me, he is a closet zionist like chomsky. He always protect Israel from exposure and goes to the extreme to hide the obvious facts.

    The wars in the middle east and Africa is waged by the criminal zionist bankers supported by the zionist tribe for ‘greater Israel’, where Porter never talk about it. We never trust the criminal zionist tribe and their stooges.

    http://original.antiwar.com/porter/2016/12/27/behind-real-us-strategic-blunder-syria/

    People should be ready to wipe the pathological liar and zionist stooge trump from the political scene. Trump showed that he is a criminal like the tribe and zionist bankers and their servants.
    What the Obama regime did on UN resolution was toooooooooooo little and tooooooooooooo
    late. He was a zionist servant to the bone. Obama is not a friend of Sunnis, as Porter suggest, he is a war criminal.

  172. @Wizard of Oz

    No, I’m referring to Palestine. I don’t think the UN vote was legitimate.

    West had been doing it for centuries, till in the second part of the last century colonialism collapsed, was condemned as an unacceptable practice, and the colonial period ended (except in Palestine), with official proclamation of all peoples’ right to self-determination. Tibet is a province of China, and Tibetans are equal Chinese citizens, so I don’t think the concept of colonialism is applicable there.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  173. Linda 说:

    If you voted for Trump, you are responsible for this. I am a non- interventionist libertarian, but was able to recognize a dangerous, juvenile psychopath as more dangerous than anything or anyone else.

    • 回复: @MarkinLA
  174. 5371 说:
    @iffen

    It ought not to be forgotten that egghead was the one who doxxed vinteuil.

    • 同意: iffen
  175. 5371 说:
    @Talha

    [Ummm, that was the Romans. And then the Byzantines banned your folk for centuries until our folks beat their armies and garrisons back and let you back in. That is according to your own historians – see my citations.]

    I’m afraid this is nonsense, Talha. In rightfully rejecting Zionist slander against Muslims, you should not be ready to accept Zionist slander against anybody else.

    • 回复: @Talha
  176. Talha 说:
    @KenH

    嘿KenH,

    but the rest of the account seems to be highly partisan and propagandistic

    Possibly, beacuse it does seem dramatic, but there is no doubt – as you said – that the Ottoman navy helped pick up Jewish refugees.

    but it’s likely the Jews made a payment to the Ottomans for their assistance or there was a quid pro quo arrangement of some sort

    Conjecture and opinion, which I will file with the rest unless you have a source.

    since altruism simply wasn’t in the DNA of the Muslim Ottomans

    I already cited a source mentioning that Ottomans (like most monarchs – Muslim and not) were often only concerned with their own self interest. Which is why some of them (like other monarchs – Muslim and not) would assassinate kin to gain the throne:
    “Before then, Ottoman succession had been governed by the “law of fratricide” drawn up by Mehmed II in the middle of the 15th century. Under the terms of this remarkable piece of legislation, whichever member of the ruling dynasty succeeded in seizing the throne on the death of the old sultan was not merely permitted, but enjoined, to murder all his brothers (together with any inconvenient uncles and cousins) in order to reduce the risk of subsequent rebellion and civil war. Although it was not invariably applied, Mehmed’s law resulted in the deaths of at least 80 members of the House of Osman over a period of 150 years.”
    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-ottoman-empires-life-or-death-race-164064882/#ksWHghfkEhXOMhSl.99

    No doubt these were grim men – and not just ‘Selim the Grim’.

    That’s why we don’t look to them, but rather people like Umar al-Khattab (ra) from the first generation for guidance on things like this. If the Ottoman behavior comports, cool – if not, we throw it away.

    As for what was truly in the heart of Sultan Beyazid II when he made his decrees, only God (and apparently you) can know.

    和平:

    • 回复: @KenH
  177. Art 说:
    @Art

    Angry US born Jew trashes America – calls America shameful.

    US born Israeli ambassador: US led UN ‘gang-up’ on Israel settlement vote:

    Washington (AFP) – The White House orchestrated a “gang-up” against Israel on last week’s UN settlement vote, its ambassador to Washington said Monday, in the latest sign of anger between the longtime allies.

    Israel’s ambassador Ron Dermer said in an interview with CNN that his government plans to show evidence of the alleged US maneuvering in due time.

    “What is outrageous is that the United States was actually behind that gang-up. I think it was a very sad day, really a shameful chapter,” the Israeli diplomat told CNN.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-led-un-gang-israel-settlement-vote-ambassador-160017776.html

    This tribe of Zionist Jew Zombies will say anything to cover up their evil – no relationship is sacred to them. After all that we have done, and are doing for them, they call us “shameful.”

    They are no friend – they see no friends – they see people they can manipulate – Jews are truly a people apart.

  178. Talha 说:
    @5371

    嘿 5371,

    Could you elaborate, please? I definitely don’t want to slander anybody.

    I thought it was well known that the Romans besieged Jerusalem and destroyed the temple way back in the first century. Isn’t that acknowledged by Roman accounts? I guess if you mean; way back then, everyone stole from everyone else as long as they had the army to back them up, in which case I understand where you are coming from.

    And regarding the Muslims letting the Jews back into Jerusalem; our own historical sources indicate the Christians asked them not to be let in according to the terms of surrender.

    So I don’t want to be a mouth piece for Zionism, but I thought these two things are fairly universally recognized. I’ll readily acknowledge my error if you have a sound source.

    和平:

    • 回复: @iffen
    , @5371
  179. Anyone who believed that Trump was pro America over the jew welfare state when Trump has nothing but Jewish grandchildren is a complete imbecile or traitor and that includes Patrick J Buchanan.

  180. didi 说:

    它被称为Eretz Israel。

    • 回复: @E. A. Costa
    , @FLgeezer
  181. iffen 说:
    @Talha

    So I don’t want to be a mouth piece for Zionism

    Heaven forbid that you would defend a nation state that mixes the religious with the secular.

    • 回复: @Talha
  182. Paul C. 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    In Article 1, Section 8, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution, it specifically confers on Congress the express powers to coin money and regulate the value of it.

    It does not grant the power to establish a private central bank (with stock holders as the owners).

    At quick glance, it looks as if there are only lawsuits on the basis of paper money vs. coins. The constitution cites coinage and some legal cases say paper legal tender is unconstitutional.

    My hunch is that any serious legal threat to the Federal Reserve would be met with loss of life.

  183. schmenz 说:
    @Lot

    Probably not, Lot.

    A recent example was Pope Pius X’s refusal to acquiesce to Herzl’s demand that the Church support a Jewish state in Palestine.

  184. 当世界各地的所有犹太人都被指责为犹太复国主义者和以色列的替代工具时,这场游戏与内塔尼亚胡先生和他的同类玩的游戏完全一样,例如,他们最近的教皇公牛只是呼吁所有“犹太人”离开法国.

    想知道这是否包括萨科齐?

    可能至少有一半张贴此类垃圾的海报是有偿和无偿的以色列特工。 另一半——嗯,他们是什么也很明显,即使是那些是新的特朗普白人民族主义犹太复国主义联盟的一部分,以及像最牧师哈吉这样的犹太复国主义原教旨主义“基督徒”之类的人。

    确实每分钟都有一个出生。

  185. @Anon

    “High Intelligence Quotient” is three words.

  186. @didi

    Ersatz eretz Latter Day Israel,确切地说。

  187. @Wizard of Oz

    “当第一批犹太复国主义者到达时,巴勒斯坦有很多未充分利用的土地”

    你意识到,有人肯定,那是约翰洛克,对吧? “改进”,jeje。

    比如说,桑德堡村和特朗普大厦会被空运或用船运到以色列,还是像现在这样复制它们就足够了?

    一名嫌疑人,年轻的内塔尼亚胡已经暗地里嫉妒他的密友特朗普先生,在后者吃沙拉的日子里。 但他显然已经掌握了严格的国家资本主义美国补贴版的房地产投机,嗯?

    Señor Trump 从Señor Bibi 那里学到了“家具店购物的诱惑”,你觉得吗?

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  188. Talha 说:
    @iffen

    嗨,iffen,

    I have far, far less problems with that than I do with a state based on ethno-centrism or ethno-superiority. Like I said – if a proposed Palestinian state is simply a carbon copy of another corrupt militarized Arab nation state then what is that worth? Not much to me.

    Read simply about Iraqi Jews (an ancient community that is gone now) – just the excerpt of the first chapter (especially that poem):
    “As the book reveals, the ultimate displacement of this community was not the result of a perpetual persecution on the part of their Iraqi compatriots, but rather the outcome of misguided state policies during the late 1940s and early 1950s. Sadly, from a dominant mood of coexistence, friendship, and partnership, the impossibility of Arab-Jewish coexistence became the prevailing narrative in the region—and the dominant narrative we have come to know today.”
    http://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=20419

    “Jews were an integral part of Iraqi society from the centuries it existed as part of the Ottoman Empire, through the British-Arab alliance following World War I that resulted in its creation as an independent state. King Faisal’s benevolent rule over this new state fostered an atmosphere of tolerance and equality which ended abruptly with his death in 1933, after which rising anti-Jewish and Pan-Arabic sentiment led to restrictions on all phases of Jewish life, culminating in the establishment of a pro-Nazi government and a notorious deadly pogrom against the Jews known as the Farhoud in 1941.”
    http://cs.nyu.edu/shasha/papers/iraqlastjews.html

    http://www.bintjbeil.com/E/occupation/ameu_iraqjews.html

    This is what the evil twins of Arab and Jewish nationalism (Zionism) have wrought – the destruction of an ancient (we’re talking from Babylonian times) distinct identity (how long do you suppose it will survive in Israel before it disappears) – and this is not the only one. The only distinct one having survived is probably that of the Morocco.

    People say this is progress…I have my doubts.

    和平:

  189. moi 说:
    @Lot

    Right–the holy land should be occupied by Jews who denigrate Jesus, not by Muslims who honor Jesus as a might prophet. Sounds like Jewish and Trump logic…

  190. 5371 说:
    @Talha

    No-one ever banned Jews from Palestine. Hadrian seems to have banned them from Jerusalem after the Bar-Kochba revolt in 135 AD, but the prohibition was reversed within a generation.

    • 回复: @Talha
  191. @Karl

    “我们没有直接从你的伊拉克或阿富汗冒险中获得任何好处。”

    啊,“直接”无疑是在默默掩饰,比如说伊拉克对巴勒斯坦人的支持和补贴,在科威特的巴勒斯坦客工等等,对吧?

    然而,可以准确地说,政府内外的许多头脑冷静的以色列官员认为,在两次对伊战争期间,美国联军向内陆进军是极其愚蠢的,可能适得其反。

    然而,其中大多数人希望美国对伊朗发动攻击。

  192. Talha 说:
    @5371

    嘿 5371,

    Correct – I thought I was specific about Jerusalem. I thought that the reversal was only to permit worship once in a while at the site of the temple but not residency, no?

    和平:

    • 回复: @5371
  193. @jacques sheete

    Who invented the concept, and who promoted it, and who profits from administering these so called “intelligence” tests?

    Answer: The same people who, during the process of compiling the Old and New Testaments, appointed themselves the Chosen Ones, the rightful owners of Palestine, plus assigned themselves the designated rulers of all nations of the earth. It’s all right there in black and white. Read it in your spare time.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  194. @Junior

    恭喜。

    You missed, in fact, the fact that international Jewry is solely responsible for the tricked, bribed, forced legislation across the White western world which admits millions of uneducated, illiterate, unassimilable, racist, White-hating Moslems without passports, to drain White economies with fraudulent welfare claims, rape and traffic White females for Moslem prostitution and secret pig-god sacrifice, fund blood-soaked deranged maniacs to build and detonate bombs in White population centres, and beyond all of that fashion legislation which curtails and severely punishes free speech by all those openly critical of these things.

    Add to that the fact that international Jewry has been engaged in a decades-long war of direct, subtle cultural Marxist propaganda via an endless stream of advertising, fashion and cinema content corruption, LGBT filth and shameless mass media lies, all designed to weaken, corrupt, undermine and destroy the morality and the morale of once-Christian White nations, and you begin to grasp the bigger picture, and the longer game.

    Now that you have understood that Jews, as they have always been, are the curse of the earth, try furthering your education and knowledge of the true depths of their nation-wrecking evil, by going here:

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/12/philip-giraldi-on-the-anti-semitism-awareness-act/

  195. It is awesome to watch Jewish vote going Democrat regularly then being fucked up the ass by a crowbar by Obama.
    As Maxwell Smart said, “loving every minute of it”.

    • 回复: @5371
  196. 5371 说:
    @Talha

    There was no bar on residency.

    • 回复: @Talha
  197. 5371 说:
    @pepperinmono

    So Obama allowed a toothless symbolic resolution, apparently favoured even by most American Jews, to pass the SC. What good will that do?

    • 回复: @utu
  198. utu 说:

    What has happened to Rehmat? I haven’t seen him recently.

    • 回复: @Talha
  199. utu 说:
    @5371

    “What good will that do?” – It helps Trump.

  200. MarkinLA 说:
    @Linda

    And what was Hillary? Oh I guess you voted for that know-nothing Johnson?

  201. Talha 说:
    @5371

    嘿 5371,

    No problem – but this contradicts many academic sources that I’ve read. Can you provide just one source? I’m not trying to be difficult, if you have a solid source with an alternative narrative, I would actually welcome being exposed to it honestly.

    和平:

  202. virgile 说:

    Trump made a lot of tempestuous declarations during election time. He is now backing off most of them or at least adding a grain of salt.
    For Trump it seems that the mantra is ” Show me the money”
    He will not give free ‘gifts’ to Israel anymore. Israel is a rich country and can pay. So if Trump gives money to Israel he will make sure he gets something worth it in return.
    What can Israel give back to Trump now that the elections is over and the Jewish voters, in majority democrats lost? More support from the Congress? What else?
    Well, Trump wants to be the president who solve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, a conflict largely responsible for the violent anti-americanism in the region. That anti-americanism is the source of Al Qaedan, ISIS and other Islamist groups.
    Trump will do all he can to eliminate such extremists but he will want to go to the root: who are funding them and how to stop its proliferation. Israel’s abuses on Palestinians feeds Islamist extremist. He will have to deal with that decisively.
    Therefore I expect Trump to be much tougher on Israel than the Obama administration.
    Israel may come to regret Obama who was just a naive and powerless enemy

  203. Talha 说:
    @utu

    I wondered the same thing a while back – no whisper from him (well, he wasn’t one for whispering) since a month back. iffen and I were speculating that he came across Sherman and, well…Sherman is still around…

    But he’s still blogging at his old stomping grounds.

    和平:

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  204. KenH 说:
    @Talha

    Conjecture and opinion, which I will file with the rest unless you have a source.

    Yes, and I don’t think I said otherwise. But I know enough about that era to know that there were no free lunches and the Ottoman empire wasn’t exactly the international red cross.

    Of course, I don’t want to single out the Ottomans too much because the British Empire had their warts, too. However, the Brits never murdered 1.5 million people in cold blood, but I digress.

    • 回复: @geokat62
    , @Talha
  205. vinteuil 说:
    @Talha

    Mr Talha: neither I nor any friend of mine has ever done “egghead…” any harm. I do not even know who he is.

    BTW – for me, this is no longer an “anonymous forum.”

    I believe I am the only poster here who has ever been treated like this.

    • 回复: @utu
    , @Talha
  206. utu 说:
    @vinteuil

    “I believe I am the only poster here who has ever been treated like this.”

    I do not know the story. What happened?

  207. geokat62 说:
    @KenH

    However, the Brits never murdered 1.5 million people in cold blood, but I digress.

    If you include the Greeks and Syrians, the number swells to 3.5 million:

    希腊语
    1914 400,000 conscripts perished in forced labor brigades
    1922 100,000 massacred or burned alive in Smyrna
    1916-1922 350,000 Pontions massacred or killed during forced deportations
    1914-1922 900,000 perish from maltreatment, starvation and massacres; total of all other areas of Asia Minor
    TOTAL: 1,750,000 Greek Christians martyred 1914-1922

    亚美尼亚人
    1894-1896 300,000 massacred
    1915-1916 1,500,000 perish in massacres and forced deportations (with subsidiaries to 1923)
    1922 30,000 massacred or burned alive in Smyrna
    TOTAL: 1,800,000 Armenian Christians martyred 1894-1923

    SYRIANS AND NESTORIANS
    1915-1917 100,000

    http://www.serfes.org/orthodox/memoryof.htm

    • 回复: @Talha
  208. Talha 说:
    @KenH

    However, the Brits never murdered 1.5 million people in cold blood, but I digress.

    No, but they might have been a party to the starvation of plenty more (the jury is still out on this one as far as numbers and intentions – so keep your eyes on it) – but that’s OK because as Churchill said:
    “The famine was their own fault for breeding like rabbits.”
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/worst-atrocities-british-empire-amritsar-boer-war-concentration-camp-mau-mau-a6821756.html

    But, as to the Ottomans…if you read the details on the history, you will know this was not the work of the Ottoman sultans nor the Muslim scholarship. In fact, the sultan had been effectively deposed and replaced by the ‘Three Pashas’ that ran the empire and ushered in an era of nationalist Turkification under the secular-modern ‘Committee of Union and Progress’. This led to both the Armenian Genocide as well as a host of other horrific events and kick-started the Arab revolts against the modernist reforms as threats to their religion and traditions.

    The Armenians recognize this:
    “青年土耳其人是亚美尼亚种族灭绝的肇事者......整个运动中意识形态最坚定的政党,CUP 拥护一种土耳其民族主义形式,其思想是仇外和排外的。 它的政策威胁要破坏多种族和多宗教社会的破烂结构。 1912 年奥斯曼帝国输给了以前的附属国,第一次巴尔干战争后的政治混乱,使 CUP 在 1913 年 XNUMX 月的政变中夺取了政权。”
    http://www.armenian-genocide.org/young_turks.html

    Which is why Armenian nationalists hunted them down like dogs and assassinated them – since they had sought exile in European countries:

    Those that were prosecuted and were sentenced to death by the Ottomans once the sultan was back in charge (again, same Armenian site as above):
    “The post-war Ottoman government convened tribunals in 1919 to hear testimony on the conduct of the war and the implementation of the Armenian Genocide. While many second rank figures were prosecuted individually, the party as a whole was indicted for the crimes of conspiracy and massacre. The verdicts found the accused guilty of capital crimes, but the principal culprits were only tried in absentia.”

    And whoever was around had their death sentence signed off by the Grand Mufti:
    “When the Sultan received the papers for signature the day after Kemal’s conviction, already sanctioned by the grand vizier and the defense minister, the monarch hesitated. He wanted Shiekh ul-Islam to issue and appropriate fatwa…This version was eventually composed and incorporated in a new fatwa bearing Seikh ul-Islam Mustafa Sabri’s signature.”
    Judgment At Istanbul: The Armenian Genocide Trials

    So – it was actually the weakening of the Ottoman caliphate and the rise of a deplorable Turkish-nationalist modernism that led to the massacres…and a boat load of other stuff we are still talking about on this thread.

    和平:

    • 回复: @Talha
  209. Talha 说:
    @vinteuil

    嗨,vinteuil,

    I understand – which is why I always advocate for people to keep their cool and just hold discussions no different than you would if you were sitting across the person.

    和平:

  210. Talha 说:
    @Talha

    Another reason why I abhor ethnic nationalism.

    • 回复: @Rurik
    , @KenH
  211. Ken Hoop 说:

    I don’t believe many if any “Trumpists” ever claimed he would be a consistent anti-Zionist, a consistent protectionist, a consistent nativist, a consistent isolationist etc. What they did claim is, he that he went much further in the direction of economic nationalism ,ethno-nationalism, non-interventionism than any other candidate. Along with bringing an element of potential chaos to the mix, which could be advantageous. Along with freeing Russia’s hand to bring some stability to the Mideast, in part by occasioning opportunities for Hezbollah and Iran and other freedom fighting forces to do their thing.

  212. Talha 说:
    @geokat62

    嘿,地理,

    No doubt about that – though some of the figures look a bit inflated. As the Ottoman Empire was spiraling downwards it was getting quite desperate to maintain control (especially at the fringes where it was afraid of losing land to other empires like Russia) and became (as I’ve mentioned before) hyper-violent. Is it surprising or unique to the Ottomans? Possibly, with the right combo of having an alpha group and modernized weaponry to make massacres more effective. Nations and empires that are pulled apart in civil wars and strife get fairly violent along ethnic and religious lines – even in modern times, Yugoslavia being an example.

    和平:

    • 回复: @geokat62
  213. geokat62 说:
    @Talha

    Nations and empires that are pulled apart in civil wars and strife get fairly violent along ethnic and religious lines – even in modern times, Yugoslavia being an example.

    Hey, Talha. If I didn’t know better, I ‘d think you were rationalizing genocide.

    Here’s an exchange I once had with Linh Dinh:

    Mr. [Dinh], given your reluctance to endorse their 2007 resolution, my sense is the International Association of Geneocide Scholars had someone like you in mind when they wrote this about Armenian Genocide deniers, which applies equally well to deniers of their 2007 resolution:

    我们注意到,对于亚美尼亚种族灭绝如何以及为何发生可能有不同的解释,但否认其作为种族灭绝的事实和道德现实并不是从事学术研究,而是进行宣传和努力,以赦免肇事者、责备受害者并消除种族灭绝。这段历史的伦理意义。

    和平

    • 回复: @iffen
    , @Talha
  214. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Tibet used to be an independent country with a Tibetan, not Han, population (indeed there was once some sort of Tibetan empire extending to the Bay of Bengal if my memory is correct) so when did it become a province of China and did it remain a province of China without self determination without interruption ever after (if you are referring to some pre 1951 event)?

    What makes it OK to allow Tibetans to be reduced to a minority in their own province?

    What do you say about Taiwan which was colonised by the Japanese in the 1890s and then the Nationalist refugees in 1949? What is your comparative analysis of that situation?

    And of the Javanese settlements on West Irian land since 1961? (And how does it compare with the once claimed and colonised but now independent Timor L’Este? ).

    • 回复: @Mao Cheng Ji
  215. iffen 说:
    @geokat62

    地理位置

    You obviously take pride in your questions. How about answering one for us. Where do you stand on Holocaust denial?

    • 回复: @geokat62
  216. FLgeezer 说:
    @didi

    >It is known as Eretz Israel.

    …and includes these United States.

  217. geokat62 说:
    @iffen

    Where do you stand on Holocaust denial?

    Sam put this same question to me once before. I downloaded a number of primary sources that are related to this issue but haven’t had the opportunity to read them, yet. What I can say is this, while there may be disputes about the exact number that perished, the means by which they were disposed, and whether there were explicit orders given to carry it out, there is no disputing that significant numbers of Jews were rounded up and placed in concentration camps and that significant numbers perished.

    • 回复: @L.K
    , @KenH
  218. Anonymous [AKA "daniel92"] 说:

    The big difference of course, is that we made the indigenous people of the US full citizens. Israel never made the Palestinians in the occupied territories full citizens. See how simple it is to debunk Zionist tropes?

    • 回复: @L.K
  219. Talha 说:
    @geokat62

    嘿,地理,

    Rationalizing genocide? Yes.

    Meaning, what were the conditions to set the events in motion such that they turned out the way they did given the circumstances especially at that particular time in Ottoman history? Unfortunately, ‘population transfer’ was in vogue at that time when dealing with resisting populations; Russians/Circassians, US/Native Americans, British/Boers, and later Italians/Libyans, etc. Forensics really – since it is good to learn from the tragic events of the past.

    Justifying genocide? No.

    和平:

  220. L.K 说:

    Mr. Trump, Stop Being An Ass. America First and Support for Israel Are Polar Opposites.
    by Michael Scheuer, former CIA intelligence officer(22 years)
    , American blogger, author, foreign policy critic, and political analyst. He is currently an adjunct professor at Georgetown University’s Center for Peace and Security Studies.

    Mr. Trump, stop being played as a dumb ass by Jewish-Americans. Every American soldier, Marine, and U.S. civilian who has died or been wounded or maimed since Osama bin Laden declared war on the United States in 1996 has been the victim — in significant part — of the record of slavish and largely unquestioning U.S. support for Israel’s national security interests.

    This kind of policy requires the utter abandonment of all the tenets inherent in the concept of America First. Together, your selection for ambassador to Israel — a supporter of West Bank settlements; that is, the brazen theft of Palestinian land — and your promise to move the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem will do four disastrous things: they will kill and maim more U.S. military personnel; decrease U.S. national security; prolong America’s Islam war by decades; and irreparably rupture the trust of your political base’s faith in your promise of putting America first. Proceed in the direction you are setting and you will be from the first day of your presidency nothing more than one more post-1945 U.S. president who is a slave to Israel’s national security interests, and the hapless pawn of disloyal Jewish Americans, their organizations, and their journals.

    […]The American republic was not formed to be the cats-paw of any foreign power — especially one irrelevant to U.S. interests, like Israel — or any disloyal gaggle of Americans. Neither is there anything manly or self-respecting in you authorizing such Israel First goals as are signified by your ambassadorial choice and the plan to move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem.[…]
    It is time, Mr. Trump, to stop playing the fool for Israel, Israel First, the Neoconservatives, and at U.S. Congress that is controlled by all three.

    A prolonged and ultimately losing war with Islam or America First, Mr. Trump? It’s up to you.

    全文@
    http://non-intervention.com/
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46121.htm

  221. L.K 说:
    @geokat62

    geokat “What I can say is this, while there may be disputes about the exact number that perished, the means by which they were disposed, and whether there were explicit orders given to carry it out, there is no disputing that significant numbers of Jews were rounded up and placed in concentration camps and that significant numbers perished.”

    Well, the holocaust revisionists do NOT dispute any of the above, of course. BUT, the above does NOT ‘The Holocaust’ make. The official version is rotten, a huge hoax, really.

    As Prof.T.Dalton explained:

    事实上,这场被称为大屠杀的事件具有三个基本要素:
    (1) 希特勒和纳粹精英对犹太人进行大规模屠杀的意图;
    (2) 毒气室(灭绝营和毒气车)的使用; 和
    (3) 6 万人死亡。

    如果这三者中的任何一个要进行实质性修改,那么,从技术上讲,我们不再拥有“大屠杀”——至少,没有任何意义。 (当然,广义上讲,任何大规模死亡都是大屠杀。)大屠杀修正主义认为,这三点不是一个,而是所有这三点都存在严重错误,因此“大屠杀”本身并没有发生。 显然,这并不是要否认犹太人发生了悲剧,也不是因为战争而直接或间接地造成数千人死亡。 但传统的说法是极端夸张的。

    If you set about studying the issue in depth, then you have to actually read what the other side is saying… otherwise there is no real point.

  222. @Talha

    “He”? Is it all done by one obsessive? As you may recall I have more than once referred to the “Rehmat syndicate” (could have been “task force”). And to the youths he employs in Islamabad. Of course I don’t know but sometimes the Rehmat stuff is so madly illogical, unfactual and unrelated to what it purports to reply to that it seems impossible that it could be the work of a professionally educated adult.

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @Carroll Price
  223. L.K 说:

    阿桑奇: Forget Russia,The Real Threat to America comes from Israel and the Israel Lobby

    “Russian actions on its own doorstep in Eastern Europe do not in fact threaten the United States or any actual vital interest. Nor does Moscow threaten the U.S. through its intervention on behalf of the Syrian government in the Middle East.”

    said Assange from his refuge in the Ecuador Embassy in London.

    “however, another country that has interfered in U.S. elections, has endangered Americans living or working overseas and has corrupted America’s legislative and executive branches. It has exploited that corruption to initiate legislation favorable to itself, has promoted unnecessary and unwinnable wars and has stolen American technology and military secrets. Its ready access to the mainstream media to spread its own propaganda provides it with cover for its actions and it accomplishes all that and more through the agency of a powerful and well-funded domestic lobby that oddly is not subject to the accountability afforded by the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) of 1938 even though it manifestly works on behalf of a foreign government. That country is, of course, Israel=

  224. Karl 说:
    @Talha

    > There is no way the Muslim world will stand by if Israelis intend to

    based on the EVIDENCE, what the “Muslim world” wants, is to turn Europe into the eastern-most suburb of Karachi

    • 回复: @Talha
  225. @Anonymous

    Really??! You’ve got to be joking! Such actions you mentioned are a serious breach of the 1949 Geneva Conventions. The last Zionist attack on Gaza was on civilians and civilian infrastructure. No American soldiers will even be used for such blatant atrocities.
    你很清楚,在你刚才提到的场景中,绝大多数伤亡都是平民。 对加沙的战争证明了这一点。
    Modern Israel’s not even a legitimate state, according to the Torah. It’s the HQ of the Rothschild Khazar Mafia. According to the Torah, the Jews of 1st and 2nd Century Israel had defied God’s Commandments to the point wherein the occupying Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the 2nd Temple and scattered the inhabitants throughout the edges of the Roman Empire as punishment for their defiance. In the Torah, there’s a passage that even states that after the dispersion and the end of Biblical Israel, God forbade the restoration of the Israeli Kingdom; that Israel was to exist in spirit only.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @E. A. Costa
  226. L.K 说:

    必读
    The Staggering Cost of Israel to Americans
    This report was produced by If Americans Knew analysts, particularly Pamela Olson, a President’s Scholar at Stanford University 1998-2002 with a major in Physics, a minor in Political Science.
    By Pamela Olson / http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34485.htm

    [...]
    There are many more potential categories of costs that are even more difficult to quantify. All in all, Stauffer estimates that Israel cost the US about \$1.6 trillion between 1973 and 2003 alone—more than twice the cost of the Vietnam war.[23]
    [Dr. Thomas Stauffer, a Harvard economist and Middle East studies professor who twice served in the Executive Office of the President, wrote a comprehensive report about all components of the alliance with Israel’s cost to American taxpayers for the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs in 2003]

    Costs since Stauffer’s study in 2003

    Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz and Harvard professor Linda Bilmes put the cost of the Iraq War at over \$3 trillion, and incalculably more if you take into account the opportunity costs of the resources spent on this unproductive war. For example, higher oil prices due to the war have had a devastating impact on America’s economy, and so have the surging federal debt and the servicing of that debt. Without the war, the 2008 financial crisis almost certainly would not have been as severe, and the Afghanistan war most likely would have been shorter, cheaper, and more effective.[29] { However in 2010 Professors Stiglitz and Bilmes revised this estimate upwards: “Writing in these pages in early 2008, we put the total cost to the United States of the Iraq war at \$3 trillion. This price tag dwarfed previous estimates, including the Bush administration’s 2003 projections of a \$50 billion to \$60 billion war. But today, as the United States ends combat in Iraq , it appears that our \$3 trillion estimate (which accounted for both government expenses and the war’s broader impact on the U.S. economy) was, if anything, too low… There is no question that the Iraq war added substantially to the federal debt. This was the first time in American history that the government cut taxes as it went to war. The result: a war completely funded by borrowing. U.S. debt soared from \$6.4 trillion in March 2003 to \$10 trillion in 2008 (before the financial crisis); at least a quarter of that increase is directly attributable to the war. And that doesn’t include future health care and disability payments for veterans, which will add another half-trillion dollars to the debt.” [4]. }
    [...]
    The Israel lobby and partisans are currently gunning for a war with Iran with the same zeal they showed in the run-up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.[30] By all estimates, the costs of a war with Iran will be much higher than the Iraq war. In addition to the loss of life, analysts predict, for example, that if Iran’s oil production were taken out of the world market, gas prices would rise 25-70 percent.

    • 回复: @Art
  227. KenH 说:
    @geokat62

    参考 Luechter Report where engineer Fred Leuchter proved that the facilities alleged to be gas chambers were proven to be technically insufficient for the task. Gas chambers are the linchpin of Jewish holocaust allegations that six million were systematically exterminated. If there were no gas chambers then six million Jews did not perish.

    No doubt some Jews were deliberately killed but mostly at the end of the war when the German command structure completely broke down and concentration camp guards blamed Jews for the horrors befalling Germany and meted out their own brand of justice.

    The official story if full of holes and anomalies which is a big reason Jews overreact when anyone attempts to question or scrutinize the claims. It’s also reason why Europeans are forbidden from asking questions lest they be thrown in prison.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  228. L.K 说:

    A good starting point to understand the tragedy that befell the Palestinians through the creation of the unlawful zio squatter entity of israel, is to read the book written by Israeli Historian Ilan Pappe, titled:
    ‘The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine’.

    以色列著名历史学家Ilan Pappe的开创性著作回顾了以色列国的成立。 在1947年至1949年之间,蓄意摧毁了400多个巴勒斯坦村庄,屠杀了平民,并用枪口将约一百万男女老少逐出家园。

    • 回复: @Junior
  229. L.K 说:
    @Anonymous

    That is an important point of course, but there is much more…
    The zio propagandists on the net use a set of tactics in order to justify the creation of the artificial zionist entity called Israel.
    One thing these creeps do is they dishonestly make ample use of false analogies, i.e, the apple and orange type of comparison.
    One such tactic is to say that the zionists won the land by conquest and expelled the indigenous people just like what white settlers did to the amerindians in Zamerica. Except this is BS on so many levels;
    I’ll address, for now, only the most obvious one:
    There is the obvious problem of anachronism; what the American settlers did back in the 18/19th century, though morally reprehensible, was not yet subjected to International Law, as was already the case with the post WWII creation of the zio entity.
    By then, to take other people’s land by force of arms and ethnically cleanse them from it was no longer acceptable.
    Put it another way; if today there were still a large territory inhabited by amerindians in North America and ZUSA tried to take it by force of arms and expell the natives, this would be viewed as a crime by international law and the political costs would probably make it impossible to carry out.
    Things have changed, but the zio scum of the hasbara brigade, use such ruses to pretend that the same rules which applied in the 18th century, apply today. They do not.

  230. Talha 说:
    @Karl

    (sigh) yes Karl – that’s what we all want. We do not like the fact that overly spicy oily curry is not the only menu option in the West. You got us – I will have to tell our elders we have been found out.

    和平:

    • 回复: @Karl
  231. @Eileen Kuch

    甚至我对圣经和犹太历史的一点了解也表明你在用明显和明显的错误来惹恼你。 摩西五经是公元前 500 年都已定稿的摩西五本书的原始版本,那么罗马对第二圣殿和相关事件的毁灭有什么记载呢?

    And the nonsense about the Khazars is surely beyond its use by date. Clue to not believing it in the first instance – long before DNA evidence provided conclusive proof – how come Ashkenazim spoke a German dialect and not any language remotely related to that of the Khazars?

    • 回复: @E. A. Costa
  232. @Eileen Kuch

    犹太侨民在耶路撒冷被毁之前很久,在维斯帕先和提图斯占领耶路撒冷之前很久就开始了。

  233. Talha 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    喂,

    I tried to ask him/them to be more coherent and less belligerent on multiple occasions (especially since vicious attacks lead to vicious and angry responses like #138). But it didn’t work. Often, I felt like I was cleaning up some messes he/they would make.

    But, I’m beginning to learn from that. I’m going to start cutting back on responding to simply emotional comments – seems not worth the effort. If someone is not going to put in the honest effort to give me something to work with – ie. type up simply lazy responses, it’s not worth my time to respond. Otherwise you end up with this:
    https://xkcd.com/386/

    I also have to assume better of the people on this forum that they can spot an opinionated person with a big mouth, but little knowledge of the subject they are posting on.

    和平:

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  234. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @nsa

    I do not understand why America should support Israel.
    Israel is militarily stronger than any country in region.
    Let it take care of itself without the US constantly anguishing over whether America is doing enough.
    Why does Israel of all nations in the world deserve US support?
    It’s not even a Christian state.
    US support is due only to Jewish political strength in the US.
    And frankly, let the Palestinians, who have support among the Arab and Muslim nations and their hundreds of millions of people, come to an agreement with Israel.
    Leave the US out of it.
    Americans are sick and tired of Israel being their #1 priority.

    • 回复: @geokat62
  235. @Wizard of Oz

    公元前161年与马加比人签订的所谓罗马条约曾被怀疑是赝品,但罗马人与塞琉古人的冲突很深,不难接受马加比派使馆到罗马元老院。

    条约的正式程度是一个不同的问题。 参议院很可能发布了一项参议院议案,承认马加比家族和叛乱分子是罗姆人社会和民众。 当然,我 Maccabbees 8 知道正确的公式。

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  236. @KenH

    Why do you say Fred Luechter “proved” anything when he has no relevant qualifications acceptable to a court hearing expert evidence and a reputation as an “execution technician” for attempting shakedowns?

    Indeed why do you say gas chambers are the “lynchpin” etc when Auschwicz, which is the only site your phony expert Fred Luechter visited accounts for no more than one million deaths?

    • 回复: @KenH
    , @Carroll Price
  237. @E. A. Costa

    Interesting but I’m not sure how it relates to Eileen Kuch’s possibly provocative pretence of ignorance that I was having a shot at.

  238. Rurik 说:
    @Talha

    Another reason why I abhor ethnic nationalism.

    what about for Palestinians?

    和平

    • 回复: @Talha
  239. @Wizard of Oz

    Tibet used to be an independent country

    It was an independent country for a while, but now it’s part of China. Same as California in the US. People within China are all full-fledged citizens, and they migrate freely from province to province, and this is perfectly normal and has nothing to do with colonialism.

    Now, of course some Tibetans – by which I mean those fully integrated in the Tibetan society – might (and probably do) want independence (just like some Californians, Scots, Catalonians, etc). So they will try to organize a secessionist movement, and of course the central government is likely to resist it. There will be a political, and perhaps even an armed struggle, and all that. But this is not colonialism, this is secessionism. So, at this point, you’re just trying to obfuscate…

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  240. Anonymous [AKA "gmathol"] 说:

    Didn’t we experience the same schema with Obama? Right! First all these announcement what they will do and than later comes always the betrayal. Poor Palestinians they will suffer more.

  241. geokat62 说:
    @Anonymous

    I do not understand why America should support Israel.

    Isn’t this the fundamental question? And aren’t fundamental questions supposed to be debated by the people’s representatives BEFORE a decision is taken to go in one direction or another? Can anyone tell me if this debate ever took place in the US Congress? Oh, sure the congress would pass separate pieces of legislation to authorize an attack on this country or that, but they never put the fundamental question of whether it is in America’s interest to spend \$6 trillion to support the Zionist state. Rather than being truthful with the American people, they ridiculed Ron Paul for suggesting the attacks on 9/11 were motivated by US foreign policy and suggesting, instead, it was b/c “they hate us for our freedoms.”

    If the political institutions are not willing to discuss these fundamental questions, what’s the point of having them?

    P.S. There has been a lot of chatter lately that the power of The Lobby is waning. I don’t know how true that is, but I can tell you when we can be certain that The Lobby has truly lost its influence… and that’s when most online commenters no longer have to use anonymous handles. Can you even imagine that day arriving?

    • 回复: @iffen
    , @Talha
  242. 5371 说:
    @Karl

    [YHWH 崇拜和耶稣崇拜是 Eretz Israel 的土著。 我们都同意这一点]

    不,我们不。

    • 回复: @Karl
  243. Gabriel M 说:
    @Talha

    Friedman’s statement has an obvious meaning: Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and should not be the capital of any other country. The fact that you would interpret this as him advocating expelling Muslims or denying them access to their holy sites is a clear and obvious example of paranoid projection. Whenever Muslims have the chance they deny Jews access to their holy sites, or actually destroy them.

    As for stealing our temple. It’s a fact, you built a Mosque on the site of our Temple. You seem to think this kind of behaviour (like claiming Moses is a prophet of Islam and we falsified our scriptures to cover this up) is normal. It’s not normal. Obviously, you didn’t take the physical patch of land from us, but you took it from us by building a Mosque there and claiming it as a holy site for your religion.

    To give you an analogy. Imagine that your worst nightmares came true and Mecca was conquered by Israel which, after a few pesky rebellions ruthlessly suppresses the Islamic religion and deports large swathes of the Muslim population. Then hundreds of years later Mecca was conquered by Japan, which built a Shinto shrine on top of the Kaaba and claimed that Muhammed was a prophet of Shintoism, whilst easing up restrictions of Muslims somewhat. Hundreds of years later Muslims reconquered Mecca, but the Japanese owners of the Kaaba used their international connections to maintain ownership of the Kaaba forbidding Muslims to pray there. Occasionally, in response to Muslims trying to visit the Kaaba, Shinto extremists will stab some old Mulsims lady walking down the street, cheered on by “moderate” Shinto media organisations like this one.

    • 回复: @Mao Cheng Ji
    , @Talha
  244. @Gabriel M

    Whenever Muslims have the chance they deny Jews access to their holy sites, or actually destroy them.

    Now, that’s just nonsense, the usual ethnocentric self-pitying narrative. Before Zionist madmen came to the scene and ruined the place for everybody, all three religions and a multitude of ethnic self-identification groups co-existed just fine in Palestine in general and Jerusalem in particular. For hundreds of years.

    • 回复: @Gabriel M
  245. Gabriel M 说:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    Before the Zionist madmen came along, Palestine was sparsely populated and underdeveloped backwater whose population – Jewish and non Jewish – lived on the edge of starvation. The temple mount looked like an abandoned shack.

    But you’re obviously correct, in the pre-Zionist era, Levantine Arabs certainly took a much more reasonable attitude to Jewish holy cites. The recent hardening has something to do with opposition to Zionism and something to do with a general rise in Islamic extremism (which may or may not be authentic Islam). The case remains that right now Palestinians restrict access to all Jewish holy sites that they control when they do not actually destroy them, whilst responding to completely imaginary attacks on their holy sites by going on a bus and stabbing people. Across the Arab world Jewish houses of worship have been treated with maximum possible sacrilege.

    I will add that Morocco and Tunisia have, I understand, been much more scrupulous. Fair play to them.

    • 回复: @Mao Cheng Ji
    , @L.K
    , @RobinG
  246. iffen 说:
    @geokat62

    If the political institutions are not willing to discuss these fundamental questions, what’s the point of having them?

    We just had an election. The people who support Israel elected a President that will support Israel. Voting is the ultimate discussion.

    • 回复: @Art
    , @geokat62
  247. Talha 说:
    @Gabriel M

    嘿加布里埃尔,

    I must admit, perhaps I interpreted his words more ominously than he intended – I definitely hope you are right and it doesn’t mean expulsion of Muslims from Jerusalem.

    Whenever Muslims have the chance they deny Jews access to their holy sites, or actually destroy them.

    I cited the words of Jewish scholars and historians, they acknowledge that Muslims lifted the Byzantine ban on Jews residing in Jerusalem. The Jews supported the Muslim conquest as is evidenced by the earliest writings from non-Muslim sources, read the section called ‘Jewish Sources’ from Robert Hoyland’s excellent work, ‘Seeing Islam As Others Saw It A Survey And Evaluation Of Christian Jewish And Zoroastrian Writings On Early Islam’:

    If you have evidence for your claim that Muslims have historically always banned- Jews from their holy sites, bring it. As I stated, the Palestinians (or any other Muslims) have no right to ban your folk from these sites at all in conflict with the practice of our earliest generation. We have been entrusted to share those sites not exclude others from them.

    这不正常。

    This is a set of arguments that assumes that Muslims just made stuff up as they went along. It is basically a crudely stated theological argument.

    Divine revelation is not the monopoly of Bani Is-haac…deal with it.

    The wisdom in God’s appointing the sacred precincts in the middle of a desert with only one well-source of water should be apparent to all. No one in their right mind wants to go there for any worldly reason – not even Muslims. Far away from other historic capitals like Damascus, Constantinople, Baghdad, etc. it avoided much of the conflict that comes from political turmoil (except in the earliest generation when it was a capital).

    I’ve been there, it is hot, and maybe the hottest inhabited city in the world:
    “But for inhabited locations it would appear that Mecca (or Makah), Saudi Arabia is the warmest inhabited location on earth.”
    https://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/what-are-the-hottest-and-coldest-inhabited-places-in-the-world

    “上帝创造了阿拉基斯来训练信徒。” – 沙丘

    If anybody wants our sacred sites, you know where they are – in the words of the Spartans, “Come and take them.”

    和平:

    • 回复: @Gabriel M
  248. Talha 说:
    @geokat62

    and that’s when most online commenters no longer have to use anonymous handles

    Dang – good insight!

    和平:

  249. KenH 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Execution technician? So he’s just some minimally qualified “technician” who dabbles in neo-Nazi causes as a hobby? Maybe according to the ADL.

    以下是事实:

    Leuchter was consulted by several U.S. states to improve the efficiency of their execution devices, including hardware for execution by lethal injection, electrocution, gassing and hanging. He designed a new 毒气室 for the state of Missouri, and he designed and constructed the first lethal injection machine for New Jersey. In 1990 he was profiled by both 大西洋 眼光 magazines as the nation’s foremost expert in the mechanics of execution.

    Indeed why do you say gas chambers are the “lynchpin” etc when Auschwicz, which is the only site your phony expert Fred Luechter visited

    Wrong. Leucter conducted a forensic examination at the following three sites:

    1) Auschwitz
    2) Auschwitz-Birkenhau
    3) Majdanek

    He also warned Ernst Zundel beforehand, the man who commissioned this study, that he would testify against him if his findings revealed that the facilities under investigation were in fact execution devices. He wouldn’t have even been allowed to testify in court if the court deemed him unqualified.

    which is the only site your phony expert Fred Luechter visited accounts for no more than one million deaths?

    You forget that originally Auschwitz was credited with four million deaths which was revised downward to one million which means the six million figure drops to three million. However, that’s still highly inflated based on the evidence.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  250. Talha 说:
    @Rurik

    嘿鲁里克,

    If you know the history of that area (even the areas that are currently under Palestinian ‘control’), then you know it was a mish-mash of various religions and ethnicities; this included Jews, Christians (of various stripes) and Muslims. If the Palestinians plan to have a state that excludes others who have historically lived there (or worse kills them and usurps their land because they aren’t the right ethnic group), then I want no part of it. I am not going to support the oppressed just so they can come out on top and become oppressors. If they can come up with a more accommodating and less ethnocentric model, then I support that.

    Gabriel mentioned that Jews are excluded from their holy sites in the Palestinian-controlled areas, if that is true, I feel no obligation to support that kind of behavior.

    和平:

    • 回复: @Rurik
    , @L.K
    , @Sam Shama
  251. Art 说:
    @L.K

    “Writing in these pages in early 2008, we put the total cost to the United States of the Iraq war at \$3 trillion. This price tag dwarfed previous estimates, including the Bush administration’s 2003 projections of a \$50 billion to \$60 billion war. But today, as the United States ends combat in Iraq , it appears that our \$3 trillion estimate (which accounted for both government expenses and the war’s broader impact on the U.S. economy) was, if anything, too low…

    Hey Jews – how much of that 3 trillion went into you Big Jew Rothschild’s piggy bank?

    You Little Jews must be proud – first 9/11, then the Iraq War, and all that money too — such a deal!

    p.s. Aren’t you’ll glad you came to America?

  252. @Gabriel M

    The recent hardening has something to do with opposition to Zionism and something to do with a general rise in Islamic extremism (which may or may not be authentic Islam).

    Well, don’t you think the “general rise” is mostly a consequence of Zionist atrocities as well? Mohammad Atta, the reputed leader of the 9/11 attackers, was motivated by the US support for Zionism, that’s a documented fact. Without a doubt, Israel is the ‘ground zero’ of the “general rise in Islamic extremism”…

  253. Art 说:
    @iffen

    We just had an election. The people who support Israel elected a President that will support Israel. Voting is the ultimate discussion.

    嗨,iffen,

    We all know that the voters have been coerced by your Jew controlled MSM. They do not hear the truth of Israel’s evils.

    The great American democracy has been stymied by you Jews – a great crime against humanity. Shame on the Jews- shame!

    艺术

  254. geokat62 说:
    @iffen

    The people who support Israel elected a President that will support Israel. Voting is the ultimate discussion.

    I thought you said you were honest, iffen? Do you honestly believe the 50 million Americans on food stamps support paying \$3.8 B in annual tribute to the Zionist project? Do you honestly believe the people of Detroit city, the largest municipal bankruptcy filing in U.S. history, support the US gov’ts decision to launch the GWOT, a war that has shed the blood of millions and the treasury of trillions, to remake MENA so that the security of the citizens of the Zionist project is enhanced?

    Tell me something, iffen, if the American people truly supported all these things, why the need for a lobby? Isn’t it redundant? Wouldn’t the executive and legislative branches of gov’t simply pass laws and execute policies that supported the Zionist project b/c they knew the American people supported these things, as you assert?

    No, iffen, here is the best indication of how democratic The Lobby is about having meaningful discussions about their objectives:

    Israel’s enthusiasm for war eventually led some of its allies in America to tell Israeli officials to damp down their hawkish rhetoric, lest the war look like it was being fought for Israel. In the fall of 2002, for example, a group of American political consultants known as the Israel Project circulated a six-page memorandum to key Israelis and pro-Israel leaders in the United States. The memo was titled “Talking about Iraq” and was intended as a guide for public statements about the war. “如果您的目标是改变政权,那么由于潜在的抵制,您必须更加谨慎地使用自己的语言。 您不希望美国人相信对伊拉克的战争是为了保护以色列而不是为了保护美国。”

    How do you honestly explain that quote, iffen? No, The Lobby (aka a night flower, b/c it thrives in the dark) wanted to keep their machinations on the down low because they feared a potential backlash. This is their biggest fear… if the American people ever connect the dots and figure out they’ve been played for dumb goy, the chickens will one day come home to roost. If you were truly honest, you would admit that.

    • 同意: Rurik
    • 回复: @iffen
  255. jtgw 说:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    I think the point Giraldi and other realists and non-interventionists are making is that, regardless of which side is “right” in this dispute, it’s not a dispute that need concern Americans. It’s possible that some Islamist fanatics will continue to target Americans if we ended all aid to Israel and just traded with them like any other nation, but I find it implausible that more would attack us then than now.

  256. Rurik 说:
    @Talha

    嘿塔哈,

    If they can come up with a more accommodating and less ethnocentric model, then I support that.

    I agree with you when it comes to 侵略性 ethno-nationalism, but then I’m sympathetic to ethno-nationalism when it’s 防卫. As with the Palestinians, I view them more or less as I view the struggles of the North American Amerindian.

    Would you condemn those tribes whose people became so exasperated with the white man’s lies and genocidal treachery that they eventually decided- on the verge of complete annihilation, ‘OK, no more ***** white people are allowed on our land!’

    Consider the Jews of Palestine. How many of them defended the rights of their Palestinian neighbors as they were being slaughtered and genocided during the Nakba and/or since? I honestly don’t know, but if I were a Palestinian, I would advocate that 那些 Jews retain all of their rights, whereas any Jews who were complicit with their silence or worse, must go, having relinquished their right to stay.

    Is that too strident to your mind?

    Another place where ethno-nationalism becomes tricky is in places like Zimbabwe, where the government is overtly ethno-nationalistic and are busy wiping out the hated minority. Whose side do you come down on? The whites who created the notable material successes of the country, or the blacks who thronged in from the region once the nation was thriving, and demanded to usurp the government to steal all the property of the racial minority whose ancestors created the country (albeit on the African continent)?

    I don’t think the whites of Zimbabwe were attacking their neighbors and stealing their land. Rather they had simply been born in a country that their ancestors carved out of the jungle, and though hard work had created a great and prosperous nation, only to have it taken from them by black ethno-nationalists. Are you sympathetic to the plight of the whites, who’ve been ethnically cleansed, or the ethno-nationalistic blacks who’ve stolen the white-built farms and houses and property and destroyed the country?

    These are some of the nuanced questions that are being hashed out in the world today regarding ethno-nationalism. It seems that 一些 people’s (aggressive) ethno-nationalism is ‘good’.. (the blacks of Zimbabwe or the Albanian Muslims of Kosovo or the Jews of Palestine/Israel), and some people’s (defensive) ethno-nationalism is bad.. (the whites of Sweden or Europe and the Arabs of Palestine)

    what about the Kurds? I have to tell you that I’m very sympathetic to their plight and struggle.

    For me, Talha, 所有 peoples are entitled to self-determination. Kurds, Jews, Palestinians, whites, blacks and so on. And when that is denied to them, then my sympathies lie with those ethno-nationalists whose struggle is defensive against those who would persecute them and genocide them and steal their lands.

    和平

    • 回复: @Talha
  257. iffen 说:
    @geokat62

    Why do you continuously question my honesty and my patriotism?

    I question your understanding of politics and history, but as far as I can remember, I haven’t questioned your honesty or your patriotism.

    Lord knows you give me ample opportunity to do so. For example, you seem to be dedicated to the Israel/Jewish question, yet you have no opinion on the Holocaust. Now that is strange.

    • 回复: @L.K
    , @geokat62
    , @Art
    , @Paul C.
  258. KA 说:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/ban-ki-moon-united-nations-disproportionate-israel-focus-resolutions-palestinians-human-rights-danny-a7481961.html

    Ban Ki- moon of UN thinks his body is biased against Israel.

    It s time for Ban to think woud he be saying same thing against Iraq if hundred of resolutions were passed against Iraq for starting war against Kuwait in 1990 followed by more resolutions against Iraq for keeping the Kuwaitis occupied ,robbed,restricted,and killed at check
    Lines and borders at will

    No Mr Ban can’t say that because something always happened after every biased act against Iraq. He can add Iran even to this frame of refernce and then utter some truth publicly like why Iranian children are dying from lack of medicine and air passengers are dying from air travel .

    No Mr Ban ,here the word bias has no relevance , no discriminatory power. All those discriminations seem to have resulted in America pouring more money and free military instrument on Israel. The bias expressed in UN has resulted more death in Gaza,WB and Lebanon and Syria .

  259. L.K 说:
    @Gabriel M

    Gabriel, another sad zionisy LIAR, says: ‘Before the Zionist madmen came along, Palestine was sparsely populated’

    Pure BS. Another zio lie that has been long refuted.

    • 回复: @RobinG
  260. L.K 说:
    @iffen

    iffen to geokat62
    ‘Why do you continuously question my honesty and my patriotism?’

    Possibly bc you are a transparently dishonest creep & an obvious zionist troll?

  261. L.K 说:
    @Talha

    Uncle talha: ‘If you know the history of that area (even the areas that are currently under Palestinian ‘control’), then you know it was a mish-mash of various religions and ethnicities; this included Jews, Christians (of various stripes) and Muslims. If the Palestinians plan to have a state that excludes others who have historically lived there’

    See, it is precisely for ingratiating & intellectually dishonest posts like the above that you deserve to be called uncle Talha.

    No, U.T, you do NOT know the history of ‘that area’ and why would you even mention an obvious zionist liar such as this gabriel guy?

    The Palestinians are the core population of ‘that area’, an ancient levantine people going back thousands of years. Modern genetics confirms it.

    Before the recent zio colonization and ethnic cleansing project, 96% of the people were Palestinians, of whom approximately 86 percent Muslim, 10 percent Christian.

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/

    • 回复: @Talha
  262. L.K 说:

    Too many cheap zio LIES are still pushed about Palestine and Palestinians and about the creation of Israel.
    This needs to be fought with the actual facts.

    In the 19th century the land of Palestine was inhabited by a multicultural population – approximately 86 percent Muslim, 10 percent Christian, and 4 percent Jewish – living in peace.

    Notice there were very few Jews.

    In the late 1800s a group in Europe decided to colonize this land. Known as Zionists, they represented an extremist minority of the Jewish population. Their goal was to create a Jewish homeland, and they considered locations in Africa and the Americas, before settling on Palestine.[2][…]

    This, of course, generated conflict.

    ..in 1947 the United Nations decided to intervene. However, rather than adhering to the principle of “self-determination of peoples,” in which the people themselves create their own state and system of government, the UN chose to revert to the medieval strategy whereby an outside power divides up other people’s land. Under considerable Zionist pressure, the UN recommended giving away 55% of Palestine to a Jewish state – despite the fact that this group represented only about 30% of the total population, and owned under 7% of the land.

    1947-1949 年战争

    虽然广泛报道称由此产生的战争最终包括五支阿拉伯军队,但鲜为人知的是,在这场战争中,犹太复国主义军队的人数超过了所有阿拉伯和巴勒斯坦战斗人员的总和——通常是两到三倍。 此外,阿拉伯军队并没有入侵以色列——几乎所有的战斗都是在原本属于巴勒斯坦国的土地上进行的。

    Finally, it is significant to note that Arab armies entered the conflict only after Zionist forces had committed 16 massacres, including the grisly massacre of over 100 men, women, and children at Deir Yassin.

    全文见于
    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/
    AT the top of the page one can find 4 maps showing the loss of Palestinian land to Zionism, from 1947 to the present…

    What would you people do if you had been subjected to this kind of ‘treatment’ for over 60 years?

    • 同意: Rurik
  263. geokat62 说:
    @iffen

    I question your understanding of politics and history…

    Is accusing me of being an 88 related to my understanding of politics and history?

    For example, you seem to be dedicated to the Israel/Jewish question, yet you have no opinion on the Holocaust.

    I thought I provided my opinion in comment #229.

    • 回复: @iffen
  264. L.K 说:

    Alan Hart, a former BBC reporter and author of several books on the israel/Palestine conflict, had this to say on the creation of Israel( greater details can be found in his books):

    […]以实用主义的名义,愿意“仅仅承认”以色列——意思是在其 67 年 XNUMX 月之前的边界内接受并与以色列和平相处——长期以来一直是巴勒斯坦和全阿拉伯人的正式立场。 为什么它没有承认以色列的“生存权”,为什么巴勒斯坦人承认这一权利对犹太复国主义如此重要?

    答案在下面。

    根据获胜者犹太复国主义所写的历史,29 年 1947 月 XNUMX 日的联合国分治决议授予以色列出生证明并因此获得合法性。这是宣传胡说八道。

    – 首先,联合国未经大多数巴勒斯坦人民同意,无权决定瓜分巴勒斯坦或将其领土的任何部分分配给少数外来移民,以便他们建立一个独立的国家。他们自己的。

    -尽管以最微弱的优势,并且仅在经过操纵的投票之后,联合国大会确实通过了一项决议,以分割巴勒斯坦并建立两个国家,一个阿拉伯国家,一个犹太人国家,而耶路撒冷不属于任何一个国家。 但大会决议只是一项提案——这意味着它不会产生任何影响,不会成为政策,除非得到安理会的批准。

    ——事实是,大会的分治提案从未提交安理会审议。 为什么不? 因为美国知道,如果获得批准,考虑到阿拉伯和其他穆斯林反对的程度,它只能通过武力实施; 杜鲁门总统不准备使用武力瓜分巴勒斯坦。

    - 所以分治计划被废止(变得无效),关于巴勒斯坦到底该怎么做的问题——在英国把它弄得一团糟并走开,实际上向犹太复国主义恐怖主义投降之后——被带回大会讨论更多讨论。 美国赞成和提议的选项是临时的联合国托管。 就在大会辩论以色列单方面宣布自己存在的时候——实际上是在无视包括杜鲁门政府在内的有组织的国际社会的意愿。
    当时的真相是,主要由于预先计划的种族清洗而产生的犹太复国主义国家无权存在,更重要的是,除非……除非得到承认,否则它无权存在并被那些在犹太复国主义国家建立期间被剥夺土地和权利的人合法化。 在国际法中,只有巴勒斯坦人才能赋予以色列它渴望的合法性。

    而这种合法性是犹太复国主义者唯一不能也不能用武力从巴勒斯坦人手中夺走的东西。[…]

  265. Art 说:
    @iffen

    For example, you seem to be dedicated to the Israel/Jewish question, yet you have no opinion on the Holocaust.

    所以如果,

    Why do you not use the “Six Million Lie” anymore? Is it because it is so refutable?

    Those in your face guilt games are falling flat Little Jew – they just build more resentment for your tribe.

    None of use feel any guilt for what happened in WWII. You Jews must learn to forgive – it is the best policy to stop what happened in that war. Forgiving acknowledges what happened, but stops the cycle of destruction.

    Those who cannot learn from history are bound to repeat it. “You reap what you sow” Jesus.

    Peace and Love — Art

    • 回复: @SolontoCroesus
  266. L.K 说:

    Also, the notion that the Jewish diaspora was the result of Roman ethnic cleansing of Jews in Judea at the aftermath of the 66–73 CE war, is PURE FICTION.
    从来没有发生过。
    This is well known by serious historians of the period, including Israeli historians.

    Even before the era of Alexander, there were Jewish communities troughout the Mediterranean basin.
    More than a century before the 66 war, there was already a thriving Jewish community in Rome itself.
    Israeli historian Shlomo Sand, in the chapter titled ‘the invention of the exile'(from his book ‘the invention of the jewish people), discusses the presence of many Jews in Rome and Italy by 59 BCE, and how the famous Roman orator Cicero, complained aabout their numbers and power in Rome. p.145.

    Enough with this nonsense.

  267. iffen 说:
    @geokat62

    Is accusing me of being an 88 related to my understanding of politics and history?

    是的,会的。

    I already said that perhaps I was too hasty in forming my opinion of you in that regard.

    In any case, that’s not accusing you of dishonesty.

    That’s an accusation of being mis-informed or of muddled thinking.

  268. Talha 说:
    @L.K

    亲爱的侄子,

    I already know about this – I have little disagreement with anything on that site by the wonderful and indomitable Alison Weir (may God grant her many long years). In fact, the map you linked to is almost identical to the map we used to publish in our pamphlets on campus.

    Is there any doubt that Zionism is mostly a secular ethno-nationalist European enterprise and supported by European colonial empires – and even founded with the aid of (gasp) terrorist methods? Even the Jews from other lands; Yemen, Iraq, Morocco, etc. are not native to that land; this is a given. Nor did they feel a need to ever migrate to that land wholescale – the entire thing is artificial like so much else of modern man. And when treated reasonably well, the Jews stay and don’t plan on cutting the ties of places they’ve inhabited for centuries:
    http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/02/19/387265766/irans-jews-its-our-home-and-we-plan-to-stay
    http://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/PalestineRemix/return-to-morocco.html#/22

    Is there a ‘Persian Jew’ if he is not in Persia? A ‘Moroccan Jew’ if he is not in Morocco? An ‘Ethipoian Jew’ if he is not in Ethiopia?
    “And did you exchange
    A walk on part in the war
    For a lead role in a cage?”

    I think this is something that other Muslim countries can work on; making their atmosphere conducive to those Jews coming back who want no part in that ‘project’.

    However, some Jews, a minority for sure, are native to that land (and have been for centuries) and should not have their rights denied any more than Palestinians should. Furthermore, Jews from all over the world should be allowed to visit and worship at their holy sites.

    Why this is considered boot-licking to Zionists, I have no clue.

    和平:

    • 回复: @Gabriel M
  269. Gabriel M 说:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    No I do not think that it is remotely plausible that when Boko Haram kidnaps a bus full of children or Pakistanis rampage around Bombay slaughtering people it is “mostly a consequence of Zionists atrocities”.

    Another reason I do not think it is plausible is because the Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928 and Saudi Arabia was unified under Wahhabi rule in 1932 and I have a basic grasp of time.

    • 回复: @Mao Cheng Ji
  270. Gabriel M 说:
    @Talha

    That sentence was misphrased. As I explained in another comment, I meant that right now Muslims denying Jews access to holy sites and destroying houses of worship is a widespread fact, whereas Jews denying Muslims access to holy sites and destroying houses of worship is a paranoid projection.

    I always find it interesting how moderate Muslims are willing to uncritically believe the most outlandish claims about Israel. My wife’s best friend at school was the children of Egyptian immigrants. My wife once asked whether she was interested in visiting Israel. She said that she was scared of getting attacked, something which is entirely ludicrous as anyone who simply walks any around any Israeli shopping centre where designer handbags or big sunglasses are sold can attest.

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @Art
  271. Gabriel M 说:
    @Talha

    I think this is something that other Muslim countries can work on; making their atmosphere conducive to those Jews coming back who want no part in that ‘project’.

    LOL. You don’t even want to live in a Muslim country.

    • 回复: @Talha
    , @iffen
  272. Paul C. 说:
    @iffen

    Why not answer the question that was put to you in #267?

  273. Talha 说:
    @Gabriel M

    Uh no – I don’t mind living in a Muslim country and proposed several potential locations to my wife. She is a White convert however – this is her native land – from Swedish stock. She has thought it over and, depending on how things play out, we may move. I know you think the entire Muslim world is an out-house, but you’ve made it plain from your comments that you don’t have much knowledge about the historic Muslim world and its intersection with Jews to begin with.

    I would start here “Neo-lachrymose Conception of Jewish-Arab History”:
    http://www.academia.edu/6560487/Neo-lachrymose_Conception_of_Jewish-Arab_History

    Which is an excellent article by Mark Cohen who wrote this excellent and balanced book:
    “Did Muslims and Jews in the Middle Ages cohabit in a peaceful “interfaith utopia”? Or were Jews under Muslim rule persecuted, much as they were in Christian lands? Rejecting both polemically charged ideas as myths, Mark Cohen offers a systematic comparison of Jewish life in medieval Islam and Christendom–and the first in-depth explanation of why medieval Islamic-Jewish relations, though not utopic, were less confrontational and violent than those between Christians and Jews in the West.”
    http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8761.html

    So, if you are from European Jewry stock – sorry, you don’t get to rewrite history to fit your paradigm.

    Some Jews don’t need to move to Israel to validate their identity:
    “I am a Jew living in a Muslim country, and I am happy,” she said in an email. “I have my friends, family and my life here.” Her Muslim friends, she noted, had asked her if they could attend upcoming Jewish weddings “so that we can come and support you.”
    Asked whether Jews were considering leaving Turkey, she said, “Migration from one country to another is in our history. However, we have been here for more than 500 years. I have my roots here, so it not easy to just pack up and go, and neither do I want to.”
    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.714614

    和平:

  274. iffen 说:
    @Gabriel M

    You don’t even want to live in a Muslim country.

    He’s working on correcting that. 🙂

    • 回复: @Talha
  275. alexander 说:

    尊敬的吉拉尔迪先生,

    If the ongoing settlement enterprise does foreclose on the possibility of a viable state of Palestine for the Palestinian people……

    What comes next ?

    Does anyone really believe that the impulse toward continual land grabs buoyed by the determined settler mentality that dominates the Knesset today(as well as most of D.C.) will, upon completion of its task, suddenly “throw open the doors” to a bi-national state with equal rights for all ?

    Please……one must be dreaming….

    If anything, the current trends underway betray the exact opposite coming to pass…..a second “Nakba”….perhaps five times greater than the first……..will function as the settlers exclamation point on their drive to consolidate the Greater Israel Project .

    They will eliminate the potential of an impending Apartheid by literally expelling and /or slaughtering , for all time, the bulk of Palestinians left in Judea and Samaria.

    How can it be an “Apartheid State” if their are no Palestinians left ,anywhere, to suffer under it ?

    Will the Israeli Military re-enter Gaza for the final liquidation, seize key coastal territory for gleaming new high rises , magnificent casinos and full access to Gaza’s water rights and off shore gas wells ?

    Perhaps leaving a thimbleful of land north of the Rafah crossing, crammed full of Palestinians (like sardines) earmarked for merger with Egypt ?

    Is that the plan ?

    Lets assume for a moment , it is the plan…..and Israel is wholly successful in undertaking this “final solution” to the Palestinian question….

    Then what happens ?

    What comes next ?

    Will Israel become an Ink spot of international shame ?

    Will the entire world, absent the US congress, (of course) shut their doors to Israel ?….Just close the book on all interactions, all trade, all diplomacy ? Will all good will towards Israel vanish forever into thin air ?

    What happens to Israel once the final and forced dissolution of Palestine is complete ?

    Does anyone really know ?

  276. KenH 说:
    @Talha

    That is understandable but ethno-nationalism is also a force of nature and can never be eradicated from the human soul. It can be a force for good or ill just like religion.

    And let’s not forgot that most religions, including yours, are squatting on a mountain of skulls.

    • 回复: @Talha
  277. Talha 说:
    @Gabriel M

    嘿加布里埃尔,

    I meant that right now Muslims denying Jews access to holy sites and destroying houses of worship is a widespread fact

    I may not agree with ‘widespread’, but yes certain Muslims are definitely doing this and certain extremists are also doing this to Christian sites across the Muslim world. Don’t use hyperbolic phrases like ‘Whenever Muslims have the chance…’ please. As I have said, they have no right to do this. And that example you showed of the prophet Joseph (pbuh) – any Muslim who desecrates his blessed resting place is opening themselves to the ire of God. They had best desist – stat!

    I always find it interesting how moderate Muslims are willing to uncritically believe the most outlandish claims about Israel.

    I am for believing in what is factual – I have great relations with my Jewish co-worker and my Jewish neighbors (who are plentiful since I live on the same block as a synagogue). Likewise, I find it interesting that many Jews can believe outlandish claims about Islam and Muslims.

    Here are some pretty happy Jews in Morocco, they love the king:
    https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2016/09/197277/moroccan-jews-dancing-while-carrying-photo-of-king-mohammed-vi/

    和平:

  278. Art 说:
    @Gabriel M

    I meant that right now Muslims denying Jews access to holy sites and destroying houses of worship is a widespread fact, whereas Jews denying Muslims access to holy sites and destroying houses of worship is a paranoid projection.

    I do not have the facts to argue that out – but I do know about Gaza – your million person prison.

    The evil you do there, so far out shadows anything the Palestinians are doing to Israel.

    You Jews can never ever complain about the Palestinians with a straight face.

    Perhaps you can explain how you Jews can in mass be so dishonest.

    和平—艺术

  279. Talha 说:
    @KenH

    嘿KenH,

    is also a force of nature and can never be eradicated from the human soul

    So is sexual energy. No – it cannot and neither can it be let loose with abandon.

    And let’s not forgot that most religions, including yours, are squatting on a mountain of skulls.

    Yes (including those without religion) – the Day of Judgment is going to be a very, very grim event – lot’s of people have lots to answer for and there is no obfuscating the evidence. Keep your own record as clean as possible.

    “That Day shall We set a seal on their mouths. But their hands will speak to us, and their feet bear witness, to all that they did.” 36:65

    和平:

  280. Sam Shama 说:
    @Talha

    [Gabriel mentioned that Jews are excluded from their holy sites in the Palestinian-controlled areas, if that is true, ]

    嘿塔哈,
    Yes, this part is true enough. As a Jew you can go up to the Mount, only as any other tourist might, under the strict eye of Israeli guards and Pal strongmen making sure that Jews don’t engage in prayer. I don’t understand the restriction; it has been the flashpoint of a great deal of violence (e.g., Sharon’s trip there started an intifada, which Arik likely anticipated; but there it is: Jews not allowed to pray on the Mount)

    • 回复: @iffen
    , @Talha
  281. Talha 说:
    @iffen

    Bwaaahahahaha! We will out-breed you all!

    和平:

    • 回复: @iffen
  282. iffen 说:
    @Sam Shama

    Jews not allowed to pray on the Mount

    Maybe they could go and pray in Mecca instead.

    • 回复: @Talha
  283. Talha 说:
    @Rurik

    My good friend Rurik,

    Aggressive ethno-nationalism is exactly what I am talking about. If you read my posts, it should be clear that I actually have no problem with a society being set up in a way as to have an alpha group (an ‘old guard’) whether that is religious or ethnic based as long as they are benevolent and do not oppress the minority groups. Whether that government is a monarchy, parliamentary system, tribal confederation, etc. doesn’t matter much to me.

    Is that too strident to your mind?

    I can understand that for sure, but how do determine guilt for sure on these terms?

    You’ve brought up some excellent examples which I’m not sure there are perfect answers to. There will have to be a degree of reconciliation and forgiveness in each instance. For instance in Zimbabwe, I don’t think the government should simply rip out the land from Whites, but isn’t this also built on a colonial British legacy that made sure the British settlers received a disproportionate amount of usable land – I am not an expert on this, so I’m not certain – but it seems reminiscent of the Brits in India or European colonial enterprises elsewhere – except all those packed up and left. Though, again, I’m not an expert on the conflict there. I certainly don’t think descendants of Whites should simply be evicted but a more equitable solution reached. Incidentally, even if (hypothetically) all of Palestine is completely taken over by Arabs I don’t think Jews that have immigrated should simply be evicted. The Muslim world absorbed Jewish immigrants before, we can do it again – it’s just an issue of numbers and details.

    I am glad that we live now in a time of international law (however imperfectly it is applied) and that it is not the law of ‘might makes right’. I don’t think any ethnicity should be aggressively trying to dominate or expel anyone else at this point now – the inheritance of the older times where this was the norm (Huns, Mongols, Arabs, Greeks, Brits, etc.), we will just have to figure out because we can’t press the undo button. For instance, you mention Kurdistan, well Kurds have been occupied or had alliances and hosted garrisons of either Iran or the Turks or the Arabs for centuries before there was even a British Empire. Then what do you do with Persians or Arabs (facts on the ground) that obviously live within the land that they claim as a nation. Very difficult stuff to figure out.

    和平:

    • 回复: @iffen
    , @Rurik
  284. iffen 说:
    @Talha

    Kids and converts, kids and converts. 🙂

  285. iffen 说:
    @Talha

    I am glad that we live now in a time of international law (however imperfectly it is applied) and that it is not the law of ‘might makes right’.

    Get a grip, Talha.

  286. RobinG 说:
    @Gabriel M

    “Before the Zionist madmen came along, Palestine was sparsely populated and underdeveloped backwater whose population – Jewish and non Jewish – lived on the edge of starvation.”

    OOPS! Gabriel heads it into his own goal…. completely discrediting everything he has to say about anything…. Zio-Troll down, out, and barred from relevance…

    这个链接是Jaffa的照片,不过这篇文章可能也很有趣——
    http://www.anarkismo.net/article/12296
    在英国托管期间,雅法是历史悠久的巴勒斯坦最大的城市,除了居住在其附近城镇和村庄的 80,000 人之外,还有超过 40,000 名巴勒斯坦人。

    • 回复: @Gabriel M
  287. Talha 说:
    @iffen

    嗨,iffen,

    Let the Hanafis (like the Ottomans) take over again and that becomes a possibility:
    “Abu Hanifa’s opinion was that non-Muslims can enter Mecca and even the Sacred Mosque [haram], as long as they do not do so for the sake of the pilgrimage [hajj or umra], which they are not allowed to perform.”
    http://seekershub.org/ans-blog/2010/10/20/are-non-muslims-allowed-to-enter-mecca-and-the-sacred-mosque-haram/

    Combined with the fact that Rambam said praying in a mosque is kosher, you have a reasonable combo for a hypothetical situation:
    “Regarding entering a mosque, the Rambam explains in one of his responses that Ishmaelites are not considered idol-worshippers since they believe in Hashem, blessed is He, and there is no denial of Hashem in their religion or anything else that should cause them to be considered idol-worshippers…Nevertheless, there is no halachic prohibition to enter an Arabic Muslim mosque; this is especially true when this is being done in order to pray there, such as at the graves of our forefathers in the Machpela Cave in Chevron.”
    http://halachayomit.co.il/en/ReadHalacha.aspx?halachaid=2367

    和平:

    • 回复: @Anon
  288. Talha 说:
    @Sam Shama

    嘿,山姆,

    Like I mentioned, I do not support this and I believe this policy is condemned by our own tradition. It is a sad side-effect of how Zionism and the resultant Arab nationalist backlash have completely skewed centuries of historical precedent.

    和平:

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  289. @Talha

    I find it very interesting that so many intelligent people can believe in an Abrahamic god (other gods are even further from my comprehension) who so clearly doesn’t think it good policy to make sure everyone is well informed about Him and his views. (To keep it short let me just suggest that, if there is an omniscient, omnipotent Creator the only explanation that makes sense is that he was lonely and bored so set going an evolutionary process that he could watch as entertainment. “Made in his image” we would have to guess that He has done it countless trillions of times: hence multiverses).

    Clearly the evolved God gene has had some selective success but I would be interested to know what you think the outcome would be if somehow the 90 per cent of dangerous people in the world – young men – could be turned into agnostics or atheists.

    • 回复: @Talha
  290. @KenH

    Without seeking to dispute what you say I still wonder why you accept his supposed proofs when he was rejected as an expert witness and several people have published debunking criticisms of his work.

    • 回复: @SolontoCroesus
    , @KenH
  291. RobinG 说:
    @L.K

    Sad is right. Gabriel the Zionazi LIAR and TROLL is also STUPID – making lies that are easily exposed. Here’e his ‘sparsely polulated, starving’ Palestine before the Zionist onslaught –

    http://blog.palestine-studies.org/2015/05/15/nakba-day-2015/
    NAKBA DAY BEFORE-AND-AFTER:
    Jaffa, Jerusalem and Haifa

    • 回复: @Talha
  292. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Perhaps I have misunderstood you. Your argument that China’s military occupation of Tibet in 1951 was sufficient to make Tibet part of China presumably means you accept that Israel’s occupation of pre 1967 Israel with its Arab citizens was just as conclusive in establishing Israel on those pre 1967 borders. If not why not?

    When do disputes of that kind remain unresolved? What, for example, is your consistent take on Georgia/Ossetia, Ukraine/Crimea, Indonesia/West Irian? Or are there special rules for China because it is big and powerful as it most recently seems to be trying to prove in the South China Sea?

    • 回复: @Mao Cheng Ji
  293. RobinG 说:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    GABRIEL M is a LYING ZIONAZI TROLL
    Zionist atrocities began before the Nakba.
    The ’empty, undeveloped land’ is part of the myth Zios created to perpetuate their fraud.

    – The City of Jaffa: an example of Ethnic Cleansing –
    http://www.itisapartheid.org/getinformed_sub3_subsub2_text.html
    Imagine the Terror and Horror Jaffa Palestinians Must Have Felt
    When They Were PUSHED INTO THE SEA, May 1948

    • 同意: SolontoCroesus
  294. Sam Shama 说:
    @Talha

    Yes, I saw your comments on this matter after I responded to your earlier one.

    Israelis – the overwhelming majority today – will not choose a state where Muslims are a majority. Hamas and Palestinians, in general, will not accept a state with Jews.

    I won’t get into propaganda issues – there is plenty to go around both from the Israeli side and even more from Pallywood, believe it or not – mainly to cut to the chase and talk about practical matters.

    So in my mind, if we were to have a 1SS, I think Jewish citizens ought to embrace the reality; which is, Palestinians currently living in the WB if given citizenship, will result in a direct Muslim-majority democracy; or at least pretty close. I am perfectly ok with it.

    After that, if demographics are a major concern it is better for Jews to bring Arab citizens up to par economically. Otherwise, the population-surge weapon will unleash without a doubt, industrial standards being inversely related to population growth. I don’t think Israelis today will accept this risk.

    It is possible to explore the notion of fair compensation for say about 1m or more Palestinians to relocate themselves to other Arab nations: Jordan., Egypt, Morocco, Lebanon, Tunisia, Algeria are possibilities. However, I don’t think most of these countries want Palestinians, reputations preceding, etc…

    So a 2SS is the only clean way.

    • 回复: @Art
    , @Talha
    , @Art
  295. Art 说:
    @Sam Shama

    However, I don’t think most of these countries want Palestinians, reputations preceding, etc…

    Oh yes – that is for sure – those bad ass Palestinians — everyone knows what total war animals they are. They have been feared for thousands of years.

    p.s. It’s true and a sad part of human nature – that there always has to be an unfair belittling of those you abuse.

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  296. geokat62 说:

    这是一个摘录 The formal end of the two-state solution:

    “The status quo is leading toward one state, or perpetual occupation,” said John Kerry in his speech this morning.

    But we are past “leading toward.” The moment has arrived. For the next four years Israel, it appears, will have enthusiastic support from the American administration for its one state reality and occupation. Incoming president Donald Trump has nominated an ambassador to Israel who raises funds for West Bank settlements, who refers to the West Bank by its biblical names Judea and Samaria, who was bar mitzvahed at the Western Wall, who has spent his summers at an apartment in Jerusalem since 2002, who rejects a two-state-solution for the West Bank and Gaza, and who has described Jewish supporters of a two-state solution, as “far worse than kapos—Jews who turned in their fellow Jews in the Nazi death camps.” Under Trump’s leadership, commitment to a two-state solution was removed from the Republican platform. See, e.g WSJ.
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-could-be-even-more-wrong-on-israel-1482882327

    Perpetual occupation is the official policy of Israel and, in 23 days, the official policy of the United States. Resolution 2334 marks the formal end point of the two-state solution.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/12/formal-state-solution/

  297. Talha 说: • 您的网站
    @Wizard of Oz

    喂,

    This is getting theological, but I’ll go ahead and answer since you asked specific questions – though I’m not going to debate the points.

    everyone is well informed about Him

    Everyone is graded on a curve as Imam Ghazali (ra) explained; if you never heard the message, or never heard the correct message, you won’t be judged by that. If you heard the message correctly and you rejected it – well, I’m not God, so one can plead their case to Him when they see Him.

    lonely and bored

    Boredom is inconceivable for a Being Who created time and space and transcends them both. There is no timeline for God. His Begin-lessness is the same as His End-lessness – He does not age, gain more knowledge or become more perfect. He is observing your birth, your death and you being ushered into Heaven or Hell all in the very now of the ‘eternal moment’ (there is no term for it that makes sense in our framework). A statement of the early Muslims was, “He was, before there was a ‘when’ and a ‘where’ – and He is now as He ever was.” Lonely…He created the universe not for His benefit, as He is exalted above need of anything. The Divine Being was already self-aware of the Divine attributes; He originated creation, that His Omnipotence and Attributes be manifested to creation out of His generosity to share them with us, not out of need. We would not have had a chance to know Him (which is the point of worship) had He not brought us into existence.

    At the end of the day, our intellectualizing about the existence of God does not change the reality of whether He exists or not – He does not need us to affirm Him:
    “Allah bears witness that there is no god but He.” 3:18

    And if He does exist, what is one going to do about it? It’s all Pascal’s wager – pick the most coherent narrative and roll with it.
    “It is reward enough for worship that He has accepted you as worthy of it.” – Ibn Ata Illah (ra)

    People usually pick a religion because it brings benefit to them – rarely do you see a person who just had to submit to a theological argument equivalent to a jujitsu arm-bar. Which is why I don’t argue theology* as I have been taught not to do so by my teachers.

    多元宇宙

    This possibility was explored by no less than a theological authority than Imam Fakhruddin Razi (ra). If you are interested in a quick summary of his points based on the first verse of the opening chapter of the Qur’an; “Praise be Allah, Lord of the 世界“:
    A Concise History of Afghanistan in 25 Volumes: Volume 1

    Bigger question is; is that relevant to us? The answer, from our theological perspective is – no. The big question is, will you be successful on the Day of Judgement which is the goal of those in this universe.

    90 per cent of dangerous people in the world – could be turned into agnostics or atheists

    I am not convinced that removing a transcendent moral or ethical framework will make them any less dangerous – just my take on it.

    和平:

    *Note: Seriously folks, I’m not commenting in order to debate these points – I was asked, so I answered – I will simply ignore any attempts in trying to argue. If you have further questions – I can try to find you answers, contact me at my Google account above.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  298. Talha 说:
    @Sam Shama

    嘿,山姆,

    will result in a direct Muslim-majority democracy

    Sounds like Lebanon honestly.

    So a 2SS is the only clean way.

    Full removal of all settlers in the WB?

    和平:

    • 回复: @iffen
    , @Sam Shama
  299. Talha 说:
    @RobinG

    Thanks for the links RobinG, good stuff!

    和平:

  300. Svigor 说:

    So you are only referring to the West Bank? And you put Israel with its UN recognised boundaries as on the same footing, though older, as Tibet with its Han settlers and West Irian with its Javanese settlers?

    Why are you only concerned by European origin settlement?

    While I would not let a Chinaman criticize the west without throwing their sins back into their faces (e.g., the Dzungar genocide, Tibet, Uighurs, etc.), I also would not let a Zionist pretend my 1-12 above weren’t a thing.

    So Obama allowed a toothless symbolic resolution, apparently favoured even by most American Jews, to pass the SC. What good will that do?

    If appearances, the war of words, rhetorical points, etc., didn’t matter, then Bibi & co probably shouldn’t be squealing as if they do.

    Before the Zionist madmen came along, Palestine was sparsely populated and underdeveloped backwater whose population – Jewish and non Jewish – lived on the edge of starvation. The temple mount looked like an abandoned shack.

    Far more true of European settlers, America, and Amerinds than of Jews, Palestine, and Palestinians, but try telling diaspora Jewish professors that. I doubt 1 in 100 would find the argument persuasive, at least not in the way you mean it to be persuasive in legitimizing Zionist colonization.

    Why aren’t you out there trying to convert your tribe?

    I agree with you when it comes to aggressive ethno-nationalism, but then I’m sympathetic to ethno-nationalism when it’s defensive. As with the Palestinians, I view them more or less as I view the struggles of the North American Amerindian.

    Would you condemn those tribes whose people became so exasperated with the white man’s lies and genocidal treachery that they eventually decided- on the verge of complete annihilation, ‘OK, no more ***** white people are allowed on our land!’

    I was just reading yesterday, about some Amerind tribe that exterminated some other Amerind tribe, in the 17th century, IIRC. Thanks for reminding me to get back to reading that!

    Then there was that tribe that made war on Jamestown, but were crushed by the settlers and their Amerind allies.

    Sorry I don’t have the names of the tribes handy. There were so many…

    P.S., the whole thing where you implied that Amerinds were all peace-loving hippies, many of whom didn’t murder European explorers and settlers on sight, that was pretty cute. Lemme guess; whites taught them scalping, right?

    Lord knows you give me ample opportunity to do so. For example, you seem to be dedicated to the Israel/Jewish question, yet you have no opinion on the Holocaust. Now that is strange.

    Why would it be strange for him to ignore the issue, thus avoiding any opportunity for you to change the subject and score cheap rhetorical points? I mean, it’s not like you’re actually using his ignoring the issue as an opportunity to try to change the subject and score cheap rhetorical points…

  301. Art 说:
    @Sam Shama

    It is possible to explore the notion of fair compensation for say about 1m or more Palestinians to relocate themselves to other Arab nations

    It sure is too bad that the Jews don’t have any money to something like that!

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  302. iffen 说:
    @Talha

    So a 2SS is the only clean way.

    Full removal of all settlers in the WB?

    More like Israel and Judea.

  303. @Art

    我们都没有e feel any guilt for what happened in WWII.

    更可惜。

    The fire bombings of 170 German cities and dozens of Japanese cities, deliberately targeting civilians and incinerating somewhere around 600,000 German civilians and god only knows how many Japanese civilians, were war crimes and crimes against humanity.

    Because the Allies have never been called to account for their crimes, they continue to act with impunity, committing more of the same crimes, like a serial killer on a spree, who thinks he’s invincible.

    The ethnic transfer of millions of Germans, and the maltreatment, starvation, and psychological warfare carried out against Germans for over five years after the German surrender is something else the American people should “feel guilt” for, but most are not aware of what was done in their name.

    Not only do USAians “feel no guilt” for the commission of these war crimes, they revel in them — to the extent they even know what was done in their name.

    The holocaust doxology: that there was a plan to kill every single _XXX___ by industrial means, that resulted in the deaths of 6 million _XXX___ is a projection:

    有一个 计划 to kill as many Germans as possible, civilian and military alike;

    by industrial means — including firebombing, which was researched and rehearsed to achieve the most efficient means of producing a firestorm;

    that resulted in the deaths of an estimated 7万德国人, most of them after Germany surrendered.

    Unlike the alleged holocaust of Jews, the holocaust of the German people is well documented.

    The Jew York Times still uses Germany as its all-purpose whipping boy, keeping the guilt fresh and raw: this item posted this morning:

    “Germany Grapples with its African Genocide”
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/world/africa/germany-genocide-namibia-holocaust.html?emc=edit_th_20161229&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=60527570&_r=0

    • 同意: Carroll Price
    • 回复: @Art
  304. @Wizard of Oz

    Germar Rudolf was also skeptical of Leuchter’s work: he respected the motivation but as a PhD candidate in chemistry at Max Planck Institute, was concerned about Leuchter’s methods.

    So Rudolf created the appropriate protocols and tested Auschwitz for Xyklon B, submitted samples to an independent, reputable lab. The lab’s analysis pretty much confirmed Leuchter’s conclusions.

    The Rudolf Report: Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects of ‘Gas Chambers’ at Auschwitz.

    • 回复: @L.K
    , @RobinG
  305. KenH 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Why do you reject Leuchter’s conclusions out of hand? If you’re Jewish it’s understandable that you don’t have an open mind on the subject. But then, there are Jews like David Cole who also dispute the six million claim.

    It’s been a long time since I read critiques of Leuchters work, but most of it amounted to nit picking and personal attacks to cast aspersions on Leucther rather than glaring errors in his methods.

    Leucther was viciously attacked by world Jewry after he published his findings and they destroyed his professional life and ruined his marriage. All for questioning their cherished claim which they use to perpetually guilt trip and extort Germany and the West and hide behind to shield themselves from any and all criticism.

    Anyone who doesn’t believe in their claims and embellishments is symbolically burned at the stake.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  306. Sam Shama 说:
    @Art

    Listen you little fucking moron, you have no idea what you say most of the time, your knowledge derived from reading the echo-chambers you inhabit. Ever set foot in the Middle East? Fuck off.

    Do you think any of your rambles or those of any of the other morons insulting Jews here matter even a bit? You ,那恭喜你, really stupid. Do you think Trump cares a whit what you say?

    等等看。

    • 回复: @L.K
    , @Art
  307. Sam Shama 说:
    @Art

    Listen you pathetic little whining piece of shit. You are commenting on a forum run by a Jew. Of the People you hate, regardless of how much benefit any one of them bestows on you, judging by every little odious crap you deposit here.

    So fucking piece of shit, why don’t you build and maintain your own “Christian” site where you can spew?

    Shameless ape!

    • 回复: @Art
  308. L.K 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Yeah… and after that report the powers that be hunted Rudolf down and put him in prison… in the “freest” Germany of all time!
    Oh those pesky thought crimes… the holohoax does not have a leg to stand on.

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  309. Sam Shama 说:
    @Talha

    Removal of 300k settlers is not something we would do. This is not Gaza. I think we’d have to enter into land swaps and monetary help for Pals to settle in Jordan or Egypt. The truth is most Pals would prefer to live in Israel, avail of the nation’s public services, especially the educational institutions and healthcare. It would be a tremendous burden on the state.

    We’ll have to dig deep.

    On another matter, I think people on this forum especially ones I though I respected ought to refrain from using appalling slurs GabrielM or other Jewish commentators [yes you RobinG, and I never saw that snark you were going to write to Diogenes. I am sure you got busy]. I don’t mind vagrants like L.K or Art engage with dirt. I am happy to return in kind.

    • 回复: @L.K
    , @Talha
    , @RobinG
    , @iffen
  310. @Talha

    Thank you for your reply – with your usual exemplary courtesy.

    My “because He was lonely and bored” as an explamation for the Creation is of course my verbal conceit designed to tease – as I have enjoyed doing to a Cardinal whom I have come to lnow quite well – and point out that it solves (actually dissolves) “the problem of evil”, at the expense of the Creator deity caring what we do or what becomes of us.

    As I can’t conceive of a self or of others that I care about as having any existence without their bodies, including eapecially their brains I can’t help noting the importance of “Saint” Thomas More’s argument in “Utopia” about the logical importance of punishing atheism and the denial of the existence of an afterlife wherein God’s judgment could be experienced. His point was that belief in afterlife and judgment was necessary to stop the clever and strong taking all the good things of life for themselves (think of the successful families who would have had a whispered family secret that there was no heaven or hell). My related question about what happens if you deprive jihadists and their equivalents (presumably reincarnation was enough for the Tamil Tigers) of belief in an afterlife is the other side of the coin. Actually I think useful employment for young men and there not being too many of them should be the main aim. Germany’s 2 million births in 1913 and Russia’s 5 million meant that Hitler and Stalin had all the young lives to mislead and squander in the 1930s that malice required and the quasi religious ties (and threats) that kept them fighting fanatically probably had more to do with tribal solidarity than eschatological beliefs. Likewise with the Japanese who wouldn’t surrender. Still it does seem that inadequate young men are made particularly dangerous by teaching them the rewards of martydom and it would surely be useful to introduce them to the view that without their bodies they cease to exist.

    • 回复: @Talha
  311. L.K 说:
    @Sam Shama

    Sam Shameless to Art: “Ever set foot in the Middle East? Fuck off.”

    不相关。
    No need to go to the moon to know it is not made of Swiss Cheese.
    What about Gilad Atzmon? No? I could go on and on….

    Bottom line is that you will not accept anybody who is not a scumbag zionist liar such as yourself.

    It makes me chuckle to see how Art gets under your putrid zio skin… truth hurts, doesn’t it?

    You better pray that the Americans never find out how shitty Israel and its zio operatives in Zusa did 9-11… ’cause if they ever find out the honeymoon will be over.

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  312. Sam Shama 说:
    @L.K

    You Holocaust denier, we do know where all of you inhabit. It’s a dark, repulsive habitat for reptilians. The precise number murdered is really not of your interest, rather the complete whitewashing of the event.

    Talking of legs to stand on, the day will come when we will decide, and you won’t have your scales, let alone the legs which G’d took away from you eons back, in the beginning of time.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  313. L.K 说:
    @Sam Shama

    Who gives a flying fuck as to what you want or how u feel, boy?
    This ain’t your little zio playground.
    Can’t take it, piss off.

  314. RobinG 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    But S2, I don’t see what the difference is. The one time I googled Leuchter’s work, the point was made (by Leuchter iirc) that gas wasn’t even necessary. Crammed into those ‘wash rooms’ they would have soon suffocated from lack of oxygen.

    (BTW, I’ve been wondering where you were.)

  315. Sam Shama 说:
    @L.K

    Gilad Atzmon, yes indeed; a worse example of a mad scoundrel now rejected by his own bumbling ilk one would be hard pressed to find.

    You needn’t go on and on, unless you insist on your prior generation females; a common reptilian act [and pun fully intended].

    Squashed underfoot, that is your destiny.

    • 回复: @L.K
  316. geokat62 说:

    …and I never saw that snark you were going to write to Diogenes. I am sure you got busy…

    You got an issue with me, Sam? Then I suggest it’s best you take it up directly with me instead of trying to guilt-trip RobinG.

  317. Talha 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    喂,

    His point was that belief in afterlife and judgment was necessary to stop the clever and strong taking all the good things of life for themselves

    There is definitely utility to the belief; I posted this in another thread:
    “The reference here, as other commentators made clear, was to Islam’s belief, which it shared with Christianity, in a “future state of rewards and punishments,” a system of celestial carrots and sticks which the Founding generation considered necessary to guarantee good social conduct…Benjamin Rush, the Pennsylvania signer of the Declaration of Independence and friend of Adams and Jefferson, applauded this feature of Islam, asserting that he had ‘rather see the opinions of Confucius or Mohammed inculcated upon our youth than see them grow up wholly devoid of a system of religious principles.’”
    https://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/0205/tolerance.html

    Still it does seem that inadequate young men are made particularly dangerous by teaching them the rewards of martydom

    Quite dangerous – which is a great thing when you are trying to protect your people, land and religion. Or if you are about to face down a Sassanid army 3 times your size or looking at throngs of Mongols screaming down the hills at your position. In that case you want to tell them hadith like this:
    “O people, do not wish to meet the enemy but rather ask God for security. But. if you meet your enemy in battle, then be patient and know that Paradise is under the shade of swords.” – reported in Bukhari

    And verses like this:
    “Think not of those who are slain in God’s way as dead. Nay, they are alive, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord. They rejoice in the bounty provided by God. Rejoicing for the sake of those who have not joined them but are left behind; that on them is no fear, nor have they cause to grieve.” 3:169-170

    War is a way of life and is not going away. The problem is in why and what they are fighting for and how they conduct themselves.

    to introduce them to the view that without their bodies they cease to exist

    Not a good strategy for creating fighting men in my book; they might not be willing to part with their life as easily and this may tend toward cowardice.

    For me, at least from our narrative, the way is that you tell them that they don’t get to define martyrdom in anyway they want – they have to seek guidance from the ulema. Just like a man can’t break into another’s house and then shoot the owner when he comes out with a bat and claim self defense. If they don’t honor the rules of war laid down by the sacred law, then they can’t expect Heaven, but should prepare for Hell. There is precedence for this in our hadith literature regarding a man fighting with simply the wrong intention:
    “The first to be judged on the Day of Judgement will be a man who died as a martyr. He shall be brought forth. God will make him recount His blessings (i.e. the blessings which He had bestowed upon him) and he will recount them (and admit having enjoyed them in his life). God will ask: ‘What did you do (to requite these blessings)?’ He will say: ‘I fought for you until I died a martyr.’ God will say: ‘You have told a lie. You fought that you might be called ‘a brave warrior’. And you were called so.’ (Then) orders will be passed against him and he will be dragged with his face downward and cast into Hell.” – reported in Muslim

    This is a great read on a great man – I made a study of him over the years – he is a phenomenal example of a recent warrior saint and exemplary conduct in war (especially if you know how his enemies conducted themselves):
    http://scar.gmu.edu/web-page/jihadist-worth-emulating

    和平:

  318. Talha 说:
    @Sam Shama

    嘿,山姆,

    I’m not sure I understand. If I remember correctly, you are talking about a 2 state solution, correct?

    OK, so if that is the case, then the Palestinians would be in charge of the WB, right? I mean all of it, not the swiss cheese looking thing that currently exists. If that is the case, the lion’s share of people there are Palestinian. Are you talking about a transfer to Egypt and Jordan of 80-85% of the WB population??

    In which case only Jews are left in the WB – ergo, there is no two state solution. Unless you mean Gaza is its own state.

    Another question; if the WB is made into its own state, why would it not be possible to leave the 300K settlers under Palestinian jurisdiction or at least move them out when they only constitute 15-20% or so. And because they are the ones in violation of UN resolutions.

    Maybe I’m not getting what you are trying to say.

    和平:

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  319. @Sam Shama

    Hey, calm down. Don’t let them get under your skin.

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  320. Sam Shama 说:
    @Talha

    嘿塔哈,
    What I want is likely a minority preference in Israel. The 2SS is the official policy of the USG, an unconsidered and naive implementation of which requires a massive uprooting of Jewish settlements. Or, WB Jews could become citizens of a Palestinian nation, just as Arabs in Israel are citizens of the Jewish state.

    I personally wouldn’t have any difficulty accepting and embracing Jewish life in a Muslim country like Morocco, Tunisia or Turkey, but the reality in a Palestinian state is another matter altogether. It is a recipe for disaster [apropos, wasn’t there a massive population exchange during the Indian-Pakistani partition, for precisely similar reasons?]

    So while I think the 2SS is the cleanest solution for the long run, it would need to involve population, and perhaps, some land swaps.

    However, I am talking of the 1SS as the proximate reality. I have made my views on how this might be carried out crystal clear. The Trump administration has made its intention crystal clear as well. So we shall see what shape that assumes soon enough. Also, it really doesn’t matter what I think, nor most certainly what the peanut gallery on this forum thinks; final dispositions to be reached by the Israeli leadership, the U.S administration, Palestinians, with significant input from the Saudis, Egyptians, and Jordanians.

    • 回复: @Talha
  321. RobinG 说:
    @Sam Shama

    你好山姆,

    Gabe is my only slur, (although I did call John Derbyshire A LYING BIG MEDIA PRESSTITUTE for reasons having nothing to do with Jews/Israel/Zionism).

    Commenters here disagree, often bitterly, on a variety of issues, but few make false factual assertions like Gabe did. His statement, that Palestine was nothing before Zionists got there, is part of Israel’s essential foundational myth, part of the propaganda that enabled the ethnic cleansing of Jaffa, etc., etc., so I couldn’t let it pass. Sorry if that offends you, but his friends at Hasbara Central will cheer him up.

    The first comment I ever made here, LOL, was to chastise Art for his Little Jew, Big Jew posts. You know, UR can be a scary and confusing place. Art makes some simple posts, but he’s certainly not a moron, and as far as I can tell he’s not a Jew hater either. (He’s pals with Moshe, after all.) He does grab onto some casual remark and throw it back in your face: gotta be careful!

    People have been testy lately. (I have, anyway.) Perhaps the election. It was a huge relief that Trump won, but now it seems like Obama wants to put us on the brink of, or even into, WWIII before he leaves office. IT’S NOT TOO LATE TO FILE A BILL OF IMPEACHMENT – aiding and abetting terrorists is a felony under the Patriot Act.

    You, however, have been a different person since summer. When you were in Israel this year, did someone sit you down and read you the riot act? Then you immediately got into scraps. I’ve never know why Geo and S2 are so mean to you. Maybe something you said before I arrived? Sure, I don’t support your vision for Israel, but it’s not the worst we’ve heard. Besides, it’s not my place. I’d just like the U.S. to be independent from Israeli interests, especially wars for its sake.

    No, I didn’t write to Diogenes, don’t even remember why I would. The real world has been moving too fast. Mostly I’m preoccupied with Syria, plus my old Jewish friend wants to expel Rebecca Vilkomerson from her post at JVP for her attack on Miko Peled 😉

    • 回复: @geokat62
    , @L.K
    , @Sam Shama
  322. Junior 说:
    @L.K

    WASHINGTON, Nov. 30, 2016 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — The March 24, 2017 conference, “The Israel Lobby and American Policy,” will feature three outstanding keynote speakers: Hanan Ashrawi, John Mearsheimer and Ilan Pappé.

    “The Israel Lobby and American Policy” conference is solely sponsored by the American Educational Trust, publisher of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, and the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy (IRmep). Attendees receive lunch and an invitation to a special attendee-speaker reception. Through December 31, a limited quantity of partially tax-deductible \$79 year-end discount tickets are available. View more information at the conference website and register online today at http://IsraelLobbyAndAmericanPolicy.org

    Hanan Ashrawi was the first woman to be elected member of the Executive Committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) in 2009. She served as the Official Spokesperson of the Palestinian Delegation to the Middle East peace process from 1991-1993 and participated in the 1991-1992 Madrid peace conference as a member of the Palestinian Leadership Committee delegation. In 1993 Dr. Ashrawi founded the Palestinian Independent Commission for Citizens’ Rights (PICCR) to investigate Israeli and Palestinian human rights violations. She chronicled her involvement in her book This Side of Peace: A Personal Account (1995). In 1996, Ashrawi was elected and subsequently reelected many times to the Palestinian Legislative Council. In 1996 she also accepted the post of Minister of Higher Education and Research. In 1998 Ashrawi founded and continues to serve in MIFTAH, the Palestinian Initiative for the Promotion of Global Dialogue and Democracy. At the conference, she will address the Israel Lobby and the “Peace Process.”

    John Mearsheimer is the R. Wendell Harrison Distinguished Service Professor of Political Science and the co-director of the Program on International Security Policy at the University of Chicago. In 2007 Professor Mearsheimer coauthored The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy (with Stephen M. Walt), which made the New York Times best seller list and has been translated into 22 languages. Professor Mearsheimer will address what, if anything, has changed in the decade since The Israel Lobby was published, subsequent findings, foreign policy choices the U.S. makes that it otherwise would not—if not for Israel—and what the new administration could do differently in the future that would better serve broader American interests.

    Ilan Pappé is Professor of History and Director of the European Centre for Palestine Studies at the University of Exeter in the UK. His research focuses on the modern Middle East, particularly on the history of Israel and Palestine. He is the author of the books The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine (2007), Israel and South Africa: the Many Faces of Apartheid (2015) and The Idea of Israel: A History of Power and Knowledge (2016), among others. He will discuss the value of viewing Israel-Palestine through the lens of settler-colonialism, how Zionist myths have been shaped and/or perpetuated by the Israel lobby, and what framework is necessary to overcome these myths and ensure that efforts to resolve the “conflict” are grounded in reality.

    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-israel-lobby-and-american-policy-conference-keynoters-are-hanan-ashrawi-john-mearsheimer-and-ilan-pappe-300370542.html

  323. Talha 说:
    @Sam Shama

    嘿,山姆,

    requires a massive uprooting of Jewish settlements

    True enough, but they are illegal even if they exist – and they just keep getting worse. Instead of halting, they are just making the eventual solution even that much more difficult.

    it would need to involve population, and perhaps, some land swaps

    OK – so some land from inside Israel proper for some land of the WB? And some Jewish settlers swapped for some Arab Israelis? I’m not getting it.

    Or do you mean Israel annexes say the north of the WB and the Palestinians from the north move south and vice versa for the Jewish population? In which case, would the partitioning of land be proportional to demographics? Would, say, the 15% Jewish population get the 15% of the north and the Palestinian get 80-85% (of the original plan? I mean it is already pitifully small as it is.

    Yes, this will have to be figured out by the big guys in the Middle East of course.

    和平:

    • 回复: @L.K
    , @Sam Shama
  324. @E. A. Costa

    I’m not sure what you think your argument gains by reference to John Locke in a general way. If you cared to give a fact based answer you would deal with the sales of poor land approx where Tel Aviv now extends by Ottoman era landowners to Zionists. And you would have noted the large influx of Arabs drawn by the economic activity generated by the early Zionist settlers.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  325. @Carroll Price

    Fascinating to consider what prompts people to broadcast the evidence of their profound ignorance. Only a little more than a few minutes of spare time reading would acquaint you with the history of intelligence testing in the early 20th century which rated Jews, ansurdly, as almost retarded!

  326. geokat62 说:
    @RobinG

    I’d just like the U.S. to be independent from Israeli interests, especially wars for its sake.

    但愿如此。

  327. @Wizard of Oz

    Your argument that China’s military occupation of Tibet in 1951 was sufficient to make Tibet part of China presumably means you accept that Israel’s occupation of pre 1967 Israel with its Arab citizens was just as conclusive in establishing Israel on those pre 1967 borders.

    But these are completely different things. China annexed Tibet and made it part of China; the population of Tibet became citizens of China. That’s clear.

    But what’s “Israel’s occupation of pre 1967 Israel“? Again, Israel is a settler-colonial entity; Europeans came from far-away, terrorized and expelled most of the local population, and declared them ethnically inferior and undesirable. Incidentally, the Zionist regime doesn’t even consider the so-called “Arab citizens” citizens. They’re considered ‘guests’.

    Now, Jordan’s annexation of West Bank in 1950 was indeed an equivalent of China’s annexation of Tibet. And no one was particularly upset by that…

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  328. @Gabriel M

    No I do not think that it is remotely plausible that when Boko Haram kidnaps a bus full of children or Pakistanis rampage around Bombay slaughtering people it is “mostly a consequence of Zionists atrocities”.

    Well, mass-radicalization does send waves in all directions. If you search for root causes, I’m sure the Zionist enterprise will appear somewhere on the list, even for these events…

    Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928

    Many organizations are founded every year. Most of them remain unknown, unpopular, and eventually disappear. Yet others experience a tremendous swell of support. There are reasons for that.

  329. @Wizard of Oz

    I’ve been reading these blogs for awhile, and Rehmat has eaten your lunch more than once.

  330. @Wizard of Oz

    向导。
    As to the “gas chambers” under discussion being constructed for the purpose of gassing millions of Jews, a retarded 3-year-old would have arrived at the same conclusion as Fred Luechter. Who is indeed a nationally recognized expert in his field of study and expertise.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Rurik
  331. @KenH

    I do not “dismiss Luechter’s conclusions out of hand”. I merely responded to your assertion that he had proved something with questions designed to find out if you had any basis for such confident assertion. Are you qualified to assess his report? If not, have you researched the relevant literature and concluded that his work has stood up to all the criticisms? As you don’t refer to any of the technical criticisms of his work I presume not.

    I didn’t respond to your first mention of him until I had made a minimal Google search. While that obviously couldn’t give me a definitive technical answer to my doubts it did disclose that a Canadian judge had found him not qualified to give expert evidence. While my experience leaves me with some scepticism, not only about supposed experts but about lawyers’ assessments of their technical prowess I trust that you will not find it offensive if I decline to take your amateur enthusiasm as carrying more weight than the professional opinion of a superior court judge.

    If you have a case you are yet to make it.

  332. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Mohammad Atta, the reputed leader of the 9/11 attackers, was motivated by the US support for Zionism, that’s a documented fact.

    Documented by who, the CIA? You can’t be serious.

  333. @Carroll Price

    I long ago had you on my Commenters to Ignore list as so profoundly stupid as well as offensive that you had no idea how lacking in intellligence you were and no capacity to frame a coherent argument or emgage in civilised conversation. Somehow you have reappeared.

    Just this once I invite you to name Luechter’s “field of study and expertise”, cite relevant peer reviewed articles and cite even a single reported court case in which Luechter’s “nationally recognized” expertise has been affirmed.

    Otherwise I advise those commenters with whom one may have a rational argument with some respect for facts, logic and probabilities that my future failure to respond to this commenter will be a matter of life’s-too-short policy.

  334. iffen 说:
    @Sam Shama

    山姆,

    Because of the attributes and properties of slime, it is not always possible to determine where the slime ends and the dog shit begins.

  335. Art 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    艺术: None of use feel any guilt for what happened in WWII.

    S2C,

    May I correct that “None of us feel any PERSONAL guilt for what happened in WWII.”

    Meaning “Most all of us were incapable of having anything to do with WWII. It is not our fault that it happened. With that said, our relatives did not start the war. Our relatives ended the war. Bad things happened. They were not angles, there are few angles in war. War is hell. After the war our side treated the losers very well.”

    Facts. None of us like what happened to the Jews in WWII. They were non-combatants but suffered about two percent of the deaths. Average Jews suffered because other peoples perceived that their Jew leaders did them wrong. That was very wrong. Such is tribalism. Live by tribalism – die by tribalism.

    With that said, we all know that the current day Jews are putting a guilt trip on the world with the intention to do more wrong. This is indisputable. We all know the Jews are using WWII to steal Palestine. And in the process bringing great harm to hundreds of millions of people.

    The big picture is that the great bulk of the average American people did the right thing during WWII – they went to work and they went to war. There is no shame in what they did.

    To have some pip squeak Jew twist it all into a guilt trip abating more war is disgusting.

    和平—艺术

  336. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    you’re full of crap WoO

    Jews corralled the most fertile land in Palestine, the Jezrael valley, and they did it by stealth.

    Jews sent armed thugs to evict Arabs from their lavish homes and farms, starting in the 19-teens and lasting until today.

    as to ‘who made the desert bloom,’ according to a British surveys of Palestine, 1945 – 1948, it weren’t Jews; they were too busy chasing the British out of the land the British generously provided for them.

    http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/2010/03/palestinians-made-the-desert-bloom.html

    [更多]

    BARLEY:
    英国政府的调查发现,在1944-45年间,巴勒斯坦的农民生产了约210,000万吨粮食。
    其中约193,400吨谷物在巴勒斯坦农场上种植; 在犹太农场上种植了约16,600吨。
    MELONS:
    英国政府的调查发现,在1944-45年间,巴勒斯坦的农民生产了大约143,000吨的甜瓜。
    这些瓜类中约有136,000吨是在巴勒斯坦农场上种植的; 在犹太农场上种植了7,000多吨。
    TOBACCO:
    英国政府的调查发现,在1944-45年间,巴勒斯坦的农民在1,683德南的土地上生产了大约28,169吨烟草。 几乎所有种植烟草的土地都是巴勒斯坦人。
    葡萄园:
    英国政府的调查发现,在1944-45年间,巴勒斯坦的农民生产了大约40-50,000吨葡萄,以及3-4百万升葡萄酒。 生产这些产品的土地中约有86%由巴勒斯坦人拥有和耕种。
    OLIVE GROVES:
    英国政府的调查发现,在1944-45年间,巴勒斯坦的农民生产了大约79,000吨橄榄。
    这些橄榄中约有78,000万吨是在巴勒斯坦农场上种植的; 在犹太农场上种植了略多于1,000吨的玉米。
    BANANAS:
    英国政府的调查发现,在1944-45年间,巴勒斯坦的农民生产了大约8,000吨香蕉。
    产生这些香蕉的土地中约60%由巴勒斯坦人拥有和耕种。
    蔬菜:
    英国政府的调查发现,在1944-45年间,巴勒斯坦的农民生产了大约245,000万吨蔬菜。
    这些蔬菜中约有189,000吨是巴勒斯坦农民种植的; 犹太农民种植了约56,000吨。

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  337. Rurik 说:
    @Talha

    嘿塔哈,

    I don’t think any ethnicity should be aggressively trying to dominate or expel anyone else at this point now –

    I agree of course, unless the people being expelled have no ties to the land and are causing strife and hatred and death and misery. Like the Zionist invaders of Palestine. I’m more in the Helen Thomas camp, that they should go home to Poland and back to Russia where they came from. Unless they’re nice and trying to peacefully assimilate, in which case I’m sure they’re welcome by the indigenous peoples- who have a right to demand who comes or doesn’t come into lands. No?

    … you mention Kurdistan, well Kurds have been occupied or had alliances and hosted garrisons of either Iran or the Turks or the Arabs for centuries before there was even a British Empire. Then what do you do with Persians or Arabs (facts on the ground) that obviously live within the land that they claim as a nation. Very difficult stuff to figure out.

    difficult indeed, but I’d always error on the side of decentralization. Local sovereignty. Let the Basques (and others) have their own nations if they want to. The international community could help draw up borders and laws that respect the minorities living in Kurdistan, no? Do you suppose there’d be punitive actions against the Persians or Arabs living in a sovereign Kurdistan?

    I confess I don’t know that much about that region, but I do know that in principle, I respect all people’s natural (or God given) right to self-determination. Where it gets difficult is when two peoples share a common territory but are intractable due to their culture or ethnic or religious incompatibility. [see Africa, South / Palestine, Israel, etc..]

    I know a trini (person from Trinidad) who curses the Brits for importing onto the island nation an equal (sort of) number of Hindus from India and African black Muslims. At some level, they are doomed to eternal strife as both groups vie for power and ascendancy on the island. Some people might say it will all settle down if they just intermarry and blend into one, but if you tried to make that case to my trini friend, I think he’d be less than enthusiastic.

    Peace my friend

  338. L.K 说:
    @Talha

    Uncle Talha: ‘OK – so some land from inside Israel proper for some land of the WB? And some Jewish settlers swapped for some Arab Israelis? I’m not getting it.’

    Talha, ‘you r not getting it’ bc u don’t want to; Shameless has been abundandly clear what his views are… it comes down to completing the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, or at least, get as many Palestinians out of the area as possible, send them to Egypt, Jordan, wherever, he says.

    The guy is really nauseating.

    • 回复: @Talha
  339. Rurik 说:
    @Carroll Price

    a retarded 3-year-old would have arrived at the same conclusion as Fred Luechter

    with all due respect Carroll, this simply is not true!

    I would say that in most cases you’d have to be like eight or even maybe ten years old, with a more or less normal intelligence and even strong sense of curiosity/skepticism to discover that the lies about Holocaust gas chambers were a hoax. I really don’t think most three year olds would be able to see behind the curtain that’s been hiding the purveyors of the \$hoah, lo these many decades.

    Some three year olds, yea sure. But in most cases, you’d have to be much older.

  340. L.K 说:
    @Art

    嘿,艺术,

    “our relatives did not start the war. Our relatives ended the war.”

    I understand u are a ZUSA citizen. Correct me if I’m wrong. So, your relatives, meaning the avg american joe, no, they had no responsability but, but the US government had a LOT of responsability for causing WWII. This is well documented just not well known.

    “After the war our side treated the losers very well.”

    I don’t have the time to elaborate, but this is just NOT TRUE.

    最好的问候。

  341. Art 说:
    @Sam Shama

    You write this: It is possible to explore the notion of fair compensation for say about 1m or more Palestinians to relocate themselves to other Arab nations

    I write this: It sure is too bad that the Jews don’t have any money to something like that!

    Then you write this: So fucking piece of shit, why don’t you build and maintain your own “Christian” site where you can spew?

    Shameless ape!

    Touchy touchy – what is this all about — did I mention something very close to you’ll, like “MONEY.”

    Just think – you could have made every Palestinian a multi-millionaire and bought Palestine for all the money you’ll have spent on war. You could still do it today – if you would just open your fat wallets.

    But no – not you Jews – you do not think that way, do you – you stupid people are mired in you ancient tribal past – generation after generation you inculcate your youth with fear, hate, loathing for humanity. Your relations with humanity are a self-fulfilling reality.

    Bad things happen to bad people – when are you going to realize that fundamental fact.

    Live right and you Jews will be accepted by all.

    和平—艺术

  342. @Art

    After the war our side treated the losers very well.”

    BULL . FUCKING . SHIT!

    With full Jewish complicity, far more Germans — by an order of magnitude — were killed after Germany surrendered than during the war.

    The people of the USA should be perpetually ashamed of what was done, in their name, to German people after the war.

    READ and educate yourself, Art, your kumbaya pablum is not supplying sufficient nutrients to your brain.

    THE HIGH COST OF VENGEANCE, by Freda Utley (Utley’s son, Jon, is still active in conservative circles in DC).

    Timeline from 其他损失,作者:詹姆斯·巴克

    [Phil: please don’t hide this behind “More” People need to understand what was done in their name]

    [更多]

    1939
    September 1: Germany attacks Poland.
    September 3: Britain and France declare war on Germany September 10: Canada declares war on Germany September 17: Russia invades Poland
    冬季1939-1940
    Massacre of Polish army officers by Russians at I<atyn.
    1940
    June 21: Defeat, surrender and partition of France. About 1,500,000 French soldiers held as POws in Germany.
    1941
    June: Germany attacks Russia.
    December: Japan attacks USA. Hitler declares war on USA.
    1942
    August: Dieppe raid by Canadians. Canadians accuse Germans of chaining
    prisoners taken at Dieppe; Germans accuse Canadians of similar atrocity. November: Allies land in North Africa.
    1943
    January: Churchill and Roosevelt meet at Casablanca and call for the uncon-
    ditional surrender of Germany.
    May: AxisforcessurrenderatTunis.Biggestprisonerround-upofwartodate.
    Eisenhower complains to Marshall, “It’s a pity we could not have killed
    更多。”
    November-December: Teheran Conference, Stalin and Roosevelt toast to the
    deaths of 50,000 German officers to be shot after the war; Elliott Roosevelt toasts to many more being shot, and says the U.S. Army will support this. Churchill storms out of the room.
    1944
    February: Eisenhower appoints General Everett S. Hughes as his special
    助理。
    June 6, D-Day: Americans, British and Canadians invade Normandy. September: Quebec Conference; the Morgenthau Plan to destroy German
    industry is initialed by both Roosevelt and Churchill.
    The Allies reach the
    Rhineland. A newspaper furor breaks out over the Morgenthau Plan. October: Stalin agrees to the Morgenthau Plan with Churchill in Moscow.
    4年 十一月: Hughes advises Eisenhower to keep secret all orders dealing
    with prisoner rations.

    1945
    February: Yalta Conference; Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin discuss dismem-
    berment of Germany and reparations.
    March 10: Eisenhower initials and signs an order creating the lethal DEF status
    for prisoners, which breaks the Geneva Convention. He gives a speech in
    Paris saying that the U.S. obeys the Geneva Convention.

    四月: The ccs approve the DEF status for some prisoners in U.S. hands, but
    the British refuse to go along. Uttlejohn reduces prisoner rations.
    8年XNUMX月: Germany surrenders. The U.S. removes Switzerland as the Protecting Power for German prisoners, contravening the Geneva Convention. Eisen- hower tells Churchill he has reduced prisoner rations and may reduce them further. Patton releases captives rapidly. Eisenhower orders his
    generals to stop releasing prisoners. row rations are reduced again.
    六月: General Lee strongly disputes incorrect prisoner totals being given out by Eisenhower’s HQ Gune 2). Uttlejohn complains that he cannot feed the prisoners, now about 4,000,000. Many prisoners are secretly transferred to the lethal DEF status without food or shelter. German civilians are pre- vented from feeding prisoners. Civilians themselves begin to starve. The ICRC attempts to send food into Germany, but the trains are sent back by the U.S. Army. Prime Minister King of Canada complains about the re- moval of Geneva Convention protection from German prisoners. The
    British Foreign Office silences him.
    七月: Many U.S. prisoners are transferred to the French army in dying condi-
    tion. Captain Julien says one American camp looks like Buchenwald. August: An order signed by Eisenhower consigns all remaining rows to lethal DEF status. The death rate immediately shoots up. General Uttlejohn complains in writing to Eisenhower that 1,550,000 people supposed to be getting U.S. Army rations are receiving nothing. The ICRC is forced to return
    food to donors because it is not allowed to send it to Germany. September: Jean-Pierre Pradervand of the ICRC tells de Gaulle that one-third of prisoners in French hands recently received from the U.S. Army will soon die unless help quickly arrives. French papers break the Pradervand story. Eisenhower and Gen. Smith deny U.S. guilt. The New York Times reports bad conditions in French camps, nothing about U.S. camps recently
    visited by star reporter Drew Middleton.
    十月10: Uttlejohn writes a report to Eisenhower pointing out food surplus
    in U.S. Army and suggests sending food to U.S.

    1945-6
    The U.S. winds down prisoner holdings to almost zero by the end of 1946. The French continue holding hundreds of thousands through 1946, gradually reducing their holdings to nothing by about 1949.

    1947-1950s Most records of U.S. prison camps are destroyed. Germans determine that over 1,700,000 soldiers, alive at war’s end, have never returned home. All Allies deny responsibility; the U.S., Britain and France accuse Russia of atrocities in camps.

    1960s-1972 The West German Foreign Office under Willy Brandt subsidizes
    books which deny atrocities in U.S. camps. U.S. senators accuse Russians
    of atrocities, but say nothing of U.S. camps.

    1980s The JeRe refuses to release essential documents to researchers working
    on U.S. and French camps, and claims no knowledge of Pradervand, who was their chief delegate in France. The JeRe admits two other researchers into the archives to look for material on Nazi death camps. The Ministry of Defence in the UK refuses to release the important Phillimore report to author, although requested to do so by a British cabinet officer. Willy Brandt refuses to discuss his role in censoring and subsidizing books that hide U.S. atrocities.

  343. L.K 说:
    @RobinG

    Robin to shameless:” Sorry if that offends you, but his friends at Hasbara Central will cheer him up.”

    Well Robin, and what is the diff between this gabriel and shama??
    Shama is a Hasbara Central operative much as gabriel is.
    Why would he even bother defending such an obvious zio liar? Bc he is one too.

    I’m certain that you know this by now.

    ps: another zio operative who writes at Unz, Ilana Mercer, wrote lines much like gabriels;
    I.Mercer: “Israel was a wasteland, a swamp when Jews bought land legally from its owners (Turks held the deeds), dried the swamps, died in droves doing that, and turned a blighted spot into an oasis.=

    These people are really shameless liars and you’ll get nothing by pulling your punches.

  344. @Talha

    Uh no – I don’t mind living in a Muslim country and proposed several potential locations to my wife. She is a White convert however – this is her native land – from Swedish stock. She has thought it over and, depending on how things play out, we may move.

    I’d think this over very carefully if I were you. For her, it’s a much bigger decision, given the purdah-like conditions for women in many Muslim countries. If the move doesn’t work out, you may find yourself a bachelor again. Still, best of luck to you and yours.

    • 回复: @Talha
  345. Talha 说:
    @L.K

    亲爱的侄子,

    I’d like to hear it from Sam directly. I personally hate it when people put words in my mouth so I extend that same courtesy to others.

    If that is the proposal, then yes, I oppose it on principle. But at the end of the day, the Palestinians are a people that have generally been abandoned by the rest of their brothers. How long can they fight a modern military force like Israel alone? Will anyone of the Muslim countries commit their army to come to their aid? If they fold and agree to be compensated for their land and leave – they should not have to hang their heads in shame – we should.

    From what I am reading though, the Palestinians are moving in the one-state solution and trying to go for a Lebanon-type country and being a significant minority and going for full-fledged civil rights:
    http://www.latimes.com/sdhoy-with-the-two-state-solution-a-distant-dream-palestinians-ask-if-it-s-time-to-push-for-a-one-state-so-20161229-story.html

    If that happens – it opens up a huge number of possibilities for integration with the rest of the Middle East.

    和平:

    • 回复: @L.K
  346. L.K 说:
    @Sam Shama

    Shama, the sad little zio liar goes: ‘Gilad Atzmon, yes indeed; a worse example of a mad scoundrel’

    Thanks for proving my point, insect. BTW, you ain’t worth the soles of Atzmon’s shoes.

    Let’s take a look now at what some eyewitnesses who have spent time in occupied Palestine have to say on the matter ( not that shameless will approve of them of course):

    American Jewish Woman, previously brainwashed by zio propaganda, exposes Israel Apartheid and Ethnic Cleansing

    Eva Bartlett An Eyewitnesses Account About How Israel Has Constructed a Humanitarian Crisis in Gaza

    ingaza.wordpress.com

    P.S. It may take a while still, but eventually the Zio settler entity will cease to exist. Good riddance with bad trash.
    No, there will be no genocide, don’t get dramatic… some of the jews will remain and live alongside the indigenous population… most will probably choose to leave… destination… ZUSA, but ZUK should take some also.
    These 2 bear special responsability for the whole mess. Plus, zusans and the english really love you guys and your tribe already runs these countries anyway. Zusa, in particular, is a Jew colony.

    Which brings up another interesting point; there is no need at all for Israel. This aberration was set up supposedly to make Jews into a normal people, said the zios; instead, it has solved nothing and created a whole new set of problems, much more dangerous to the world.
    What’s the point anyway, since more than half of the world’s Jews don’t even live there?

    • 回复: @Rurik
  347. L.K 说:
    @Talha

    亲爱的塔拉叔叔,

    You are incorrigible! He has, you r just being difficult.

    There is no need for armies, talha. The demographic situation in occupied Palestine is explosive to zio aspirations.
    That is why they wanna expell more people. This is much harder to accomplish today than in 48 though.

    保重

  348. L.K 说:

    Great and inspiring video about the liberation of Aleppo, a turning point in this Zionist inspired war of agression on Syria, carried out by Wahaabi hordes from all over the world. by SyrianGirlpartisan
    The Truth About #Aleppo : Victory Tribute

    叙利亚:欢腾的叙利亚人聚集在阿勒颇西部庆祝圣诞节
    Syrian, Russian and Hezbollah Flags / portraits of president Assad flanked by those of Putin and Hezbollas secretary general Nasralah!

    Syria: Aleppo Cathedral celebrates first peaceful Christmas mass in 4 years

    Aleppo celebrates Christmas as Assad visits Damascus convent

  349. @Art

    They [Jews] were non-combatants but suffered about two percent of the deaths.

    再胡说八道。

    Jews were most definitely NOT non-combatants.

    Jews, like Henry Morgenthau, Jr., played key roles in inciting the war; in scheming to get Congress to acquiesce to his and FDR’s plans to illegally involve USA in the war; and in devising measures to destroy the German people that were (notionally) antithetical to American values.

    Jews, like Eric Mendelsohn, “the Jewish architect,” along with several other Jewish architects as well as set designers from Jewish-run Hollywood studios, collaborated with US Air Force and Standard Oil Company to devise the most effective way to incinerate German civilians on a mass scale. The U S Department of the Interior has documented this activity. This was in 1942; the date is significant.

    Beginning in 1942, (again, the date should be noted well) young Jews from Germany formed a major proportion of men trained in intelligence work at Fort Ritchie, Maryland, “the home of psychological warfare.” In 2004 a video documentary was made about The Ritchie Boys. The DVD is in my player as I type this. It traces the activities of ten of the Ritchie Boys; arrived in USA before the war started, some were German Jews born in USA; all state that they were motivated by “hate and rage.” In addition to intelligence gathering — i.e. where are troops forming, what equipment, etc.) RBs were trained as “IPW” — Interrogators of Prisoners of War. In addition, they used their facility with German language to prepare leaflets urging Germans to surrender, and used loudspeaker systems to broadcast messages urging Germans to surrender.

    Of most interest to me was the work of Morris Parloff, American born of German Jewish lineage and a “student of psychology.” The first German city the Americans captured was Aachen; Parloff and his group were trapped in Aachen while the Battle of the Bulge was raging. They used the time to “interrogate the German civilians of Aachen” — nearly 12,000 interviews — and produce the first “report on German attitudes toward Nazism.” Parloff’s interviews formed the basis for the “de-Nazification questionnaires” that all Germans were required to submit to (frequently, in order to obtain food, or housing, or work).

    I thought it significant that Parloff said that, while the military (i.e. US military) decided that Nazis should be permitted to participate in the governance and re-stabilization of Aachen — i.e. running hospitals, businesses, government, etc., Parloff and his Jewish team were “outraged” at the thought of Nazis in leadership positions, and insisted on absolute de-Nazification. In other words, a young man motivated by free-floating rage took charge of the American footprint and process of winding down a brutal war. Parloff’s vengefulness mirrored the outrageous Morgenthau plan that FDR, Stalin, and Churchill agreed to and that was implemented for at least two years, before other events** — and not the milk of human kindness — intervened to persuade Gen. Marshall that the Morgenthau plan was counterproductive and that investing in the deindustrialization of Germany was a better plan.

    (This theme is even more significant when one recognizes that the process that Jerry Bremer imposed in Iraq — the de-Baathification of Iraq’s military — was patterned on the de-Nazification program of US occupation forces in Germany. It was wrongheaded then, in Germany, and wrongheaded in Iraq, but if we keep on with delusional perceptions such as Art expressed, we will never get it right.)

    In the DVD Parloff stated that “he had no training in interviewing civilians,” and was only a “student of psychology.” He went on to become a clinical psychologist who worked for 30 years for the US government National Institutes of Health, director of Mental Health.

    ** Those “events” that eventually brought about the re-humanization of American behavior toward Germans in Occupied Germany are described by Cora Sol Golsdtein in “Capturing the German Eye.” They are these:
    1. Communists in the Russian zone were “competing” with US occupiers wrt their treatment of Germans, and the Communists were winning the propaganda war. USA felt compelled to liberalize its treatment of Germans in order to gain the support of the German population in the Cold War.
    2. Blacks. The German people had their noses rubbed deep and relentlessly in the shit of their evil treatment of Jews. Goldstein describes how the images that we all know, of corpses at Dachau, became the iconic definition of Nazism. Germans were systematically taught — or coerced– to hate Nazism and to recant the evil of having thought themselves “superior to Jews.”
    BUT German people were keenly aware of how Blacks (they were Negroes, then) were second-class citizens in the US military. Wasn’t that the same thing?
    So the US occupiers had to ratchet down the psychological warfare against Germans lest it reflect too much hypocrisy.

    btw — Goldstein’s book reveals additional instances of Jews, working through CIA, contravened the wishes of the US Congress and military leadership to impose draconian measures on the German people and to reshape the German cultural set in favor of the Jewish preferences that Germans had rejected in the Weimar era. Jews were able to do this because they had the US military “monopoly on violence” backing them up.

    Just a bit more of the fine way the US treated its vanquished enemy, Art.

    I don’t think there is anything to be proud of. Quite the opposite.

    • 回复: @Art
  350. Rurik 说:
    @L.K

    目的地... ZUSA

    没有!

    you blame the American people for what the Fiend does, but it’s we the American people who suffer this pestilence more than most. We turn on our radios and televisions and out pours sewage. We’re forced to fund a fecal government that foments death and misery and hatred around the world, here at home.

    We’re forced to fund wars of aggression and genocide and horrors the world over, as our young people are ground up as cannon fodder in Eternal Wars for Israel. We have an Orwellian police state with total surveillance imposed on us already, and our police are being turned into murderous goons with the intent to cow us all into submission to the Fiend.

    And you want us to suffer further? What is it about people that they can’t separate the criminal from their victims. It’s the British pedophile 贵族 that is the biggest enemy of the British people. Why must they suffer further for the crimes of Tony Blair and Theresa May, when they have no power to put these people in jail where they belong.

    I don’t blame the Russian people for the horrors the Jewish Bolsheviks unleashed on the world in the last century, and in like form, I don’t blame the average American working class schmo for the myriad crimes of my government. I consider the US federal government as the enemy of mankind and human reason and peace and prosperity for all peoples. We all suffer this plague on humanity, and we should all strive and work to end it, rather than give into rancor and blame for the powerless and put upon.

    The crimes of Tony Blair and Bush and Obama and Merkel and Erdagon and the House of Saud and so many others are the crimes of the 罪犯, not the people of England or America or Germany or Turkey or Saudi Arabia. Many of whom are stridently outspoken against all these enormities the world over. We the American people have opposed the wars, we demanded that Obama not bomb Syria when he went to congress and asked for approval. We voted against the war hag. We voted for Trump because he is against the Eternal War madness. What more can we do?

    If Trump turns out to be a ruse and a liar and a stooge of the Zio-con scum, is that the fault of the American people?

    • 回复: @L.K
  351. Talha 说:
    @Johann Ricke

    嘿,JR,

    谢谢你的建议。

    She already wears hijab and is studying to be a certified scholar of the Hanafi school – she knows what she’s getting into. Most places like Egypt, Syria, etc. are not so big on niqab or keeping women in-doors – other more rural places certainly are – just depends on where you go. We’ve been to Egypt before, she likes Alexandria a lot – apparently (according to her family tree) one of her ancestors was a crusader that died invading Egypt.

    Your name sounds Swedish, correct? I visited once; Gottenburg, Ulriceham, Jonkoping etc. – beautiful country, wonderful people. Food is a bit bland, but that’s what I get for eating spicy Pakistani food for much of my life.

    Peace and thanks for the well-wishes if we end up going that way.

  352. Art 说:
    @Sam Shama

    Do you think any of your rambles or those of any of the other morons insulting Jews here matter even a bit? You are really stupid. Do you think Trump cares a whit what you say?

    So Little Jew – once again you demonstrate that it is Jews against the world. Your sick little culture will never set you free to be a real full-fledged human being – sorry for you. The crime is that you are doing the same to your son and grandson.

    As to Trump – he is better than Hillary. I think that he has brought in some half sane Jews who want to fix the US economy. They will do it the wrong way – but they will try. Jews have too much invested in America to intentionally take it down.

    You think just like Netanyahu – that Trump is your savior. That he is going come in kicking ME ass. He campaigned against that – we will see.

    和平—艺术

    p.s. How is blood your pressure – hope everything is all right with you.

  353. Art 说:
    @SolontoCroesus

    艺术: They [Jews] were non-combatants but suffered about two percent of the deaths.

    再胡说八道。

    Jews were most definitely NOT non-combatants.

    S2C,

    You are 100% correct on the Big Jews – they have major blood on their hands. But they were not the ones who went to the WWII Nazi work camps. That was my point.

    和平—艺术

    • 回复: @SolontoCroesus
    , @iffen
  354. Anonandon 说:
    @Anon

    As I understand it, the national IQ of Israel is actually 90.

    A hundred years ago, in 1916, the Germans made the best peace offer in history. They stated that all participants should take their weapons and return to the borders they had before the war started.

    Instead, British Zionists made the Balfour agreement. If they got America into the war (after the Germans had already offered peace on the most generous terms in history) to fight the Germans then Britain would give the Jews Palestine (which belonged to Turkey).

    The Zionists (Untermeyer, Sussex false flag) tricked the Americans into the war and got 100,000 of them killed. They were responsible for the Treaties of Versalles (the most unfair impositions in history) and ensured the conditions to foment WW2.

    In 1917 the Zionists published completely false stories about Germans bayonetting and eating babies, crucifying Canadians, raping nuns etc. They are still continuing with similar stuff about WW2

    Their mainstream media has said nothing about this. Is that smart or just devious?

  355. @Art

    Interesting distinction, Art, but I don’t think it flies.

    There were thousands of Jewish partisans floating throughout Europe, especially Poland, and attacking German civilians as well as German military. Almost 2 million Polish Jews fled to Russia; many joined fighting forces there, generally not in uniform.

    There is evidence that some of the typhus that crippled work camps was deliberately introduced by Jews.

    It is also a fact, admitted by some, generally western-oriiented Jews, that Eastern Jews were filthy and likely to carry diseases, which is why some of the stringent measures were taken to maintain hygiene.

    As for the work camps: here’s the balance I strike:

    The Allies formed the military policy, even before war was imminent (i.e. in the early 1920s), that the destruction of an adversary’s ability to build war materiel, including the destruction of the personnel who would carry out that production, was to be the keystone of the next war, which would likely be waged against Germany.

    At the same time, those same military planners were very well aware that the USA was a nearly impregnable fortress: German’s did not have a snowball’s chance of harming anything more than a few scattered factories here or there, if any at all; and when, in Oct. 1938, FDR and Henry Morgenthau Jr. sat down and planned to build eleven aircraft factories, they scattered them all over the USA.

    At about the same time — early 1920s — Arthur Harris had formed the conviction that killing the adversary’s civilian population thru use of aerial bombing was an effective strategy in that it destroyed the morale. Harris came to this conclusion after having bombed Iraqi villages when they rebelled against their British overlords. A few bombing runs, a couple thousand dead villagers, and the entire region capitulated. Harris thought the same would apply in Germany.

    USA and the British carried out their plan of attacking German war manufactures as well as German civilians.
    USA was, of course, the invulnerable “arsenal of democracy.”

    The German response to the destruction of its factories and the killing of its workers was to conscript labor in remote locations. Tit for tat, with this difference: Germans were killed; forced workers were merely forced workers. They were more or less well cared for; compared to Dead, they had an infinite advantage.

    One other thing: we have been trained to parrot notions about the camps that make us think they were all about punishing Jews, all about killing Jews. Jews jews jews. In fact, large percentages of the camp inmates were not Jewish.

    In further point of fact: the Allied firebombing raids on Germany “de-housed” an estimated 7 million German civilians — as was intended by Bomber Harris.

    Where did those 7 million de-housed Germans go?

    We know that teen-aged German girls worked in munitions and other such camps. Were de-housed German civilians among the dead at places like Nordhausen, etc.? Is it at least a possibility? Does a Jewish corpse look different from a non-Jewish corpse?

    I submit that there is far more complexity in the situation, and that there is a far greater level of Jewish complicity, on the Big Jew as well as the Little Jew level, than Big, Little or even medium-sized Jews has ever admitted, to himself much less to those upon whom blame has been exclusively placed.

    If Little Jews did not deserve to be harmed for the sins of Big Jews, then neither did Little Germans deserve to be harmed for the sins of Big Germans. But as Jorg Friedrich makes clear in his book, “The Fire,” it was precisely the tactic of the Allied firebombing campaign to attempt to bring about the capitulation of the Big Germans — Hitler & German leadership — by killing innocent civilians. We know this because the Allies dropped leaflets on German civilians telling them to overthrow their government in order to avoid being incinerated. The Allied firebombers did not destroy the Reichstag in Berlin — that is, firebombers did not target Hitler directly. Russians brought down German headquarters after Hitler had suicided.

    sorry about the wordiness — if I were a better writer I could say it in fewer words.

  356. iffen 说:
    @Art

    the ones who went to the WWII Nazi work camps.

    Why was this, Arts? Why did the Jews have to go to the work camps? Were there any other “camps”?

    Arts, do you know how many German Jews died in WWI doing their sacred duty by defending the nation state of Germany.

    Arts, did you know that the last significant political opposition to your hero, H. was by President Hindenburg who refused to allow H. to deny WWI German Jewish veterans their pensions?

    Arts, I resist the idea that there are different species of extant humans.

    Arts, you weaken my resistance.

    • 回复: @Art
    , @geokat62
    , @Paul C.
  357. Sam Shama 说:
    @RobinG

    嗨罗宾,

    Hope your friend’s troubles at the JVP resolve soon. I am beginning to like Rebecca 🙂

    Cant’ say that I’ve changed my views since summer. At least nothing of basic importance; perhaps only stressing more, the practical aspects at hand. I’m afraid I do occasionally get annoyed when I spot commenters relentlessly spewing exaggerated anti-Israel propaganda. If you haven’t visited Israel (including the WB) you should, and see for yourself the “great oppression” Israel is involved in. Gaza is an entirely different matter and Egypt needs to take charge of it.

    Anyway, I shouldn’t have lost my cool.

    While I am fine accepting as a matter of free-speech principle, people harbouring whatever views they choose, I do draw a line at outright, inane racism; which is what prompted me to take a dim view of 第欧根尼-the-latter, who, apparently oblivious of the cosmopolitan core of the original man, announced with untroubled glib abandon his new-found embrace of life according to Joe Webb!

    The internal contradictions were stunning, not to put too fine a point on it. I thought I’d seen my share of righteous do-gooding, but I hadn’t evidently.

    Finally, I note as a general matter [not for your posts particularly], that I find it wanting, attempts to wave Messrs Mere and Waltz, as a prophylactic which clears the war-like history of all great powers and reduces the same to a solitary causal agent, Israel. That is patently simple-minded. Mind you this not an absolution of the Jewish cadre neocons in the U.S., but merely a reminder that any balanced approach would be a rather different tell.

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/iranophobes-on-parade/#comment-1677843

    • 回复: @RobinG
  358. Sam Shama 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Quite right. Shan’t lose it again if I can help it!

  359. L.K 说:
    @Rurik

    @LK
    目的地... ZUSA

    留里克:不!

    Buahaha, dude, I have to say I could kinda hear you yelling ‘nooooo’, had me LOL for a minute, I kid you not!
    Having stopped lol – i’m still smiling – I sort of find your objections a little strange…
    First bc, if memory serves, from previous talks, you sounded like you really liked the Tribe… maybe I misremember and/or misunderstood. I do recall you even invited Zio troll and sad little liar, shama, for a friendly drink. So why not take in another, say, 4/5 million of these pests, er, I mean, of these fine people?
    As to your claim that ‘but it’s we the American people who suffer this pestilence more than most’ I must call such a statement ‘ridiculous’.
    Do you really believe that you guys have suffered anything like the Palestinians, the Iraqis, the Syrians?? C’mon now.
    就像我说的,精英吉普赛人已经在很大程度上经营 ZUSA,所以事情不会发生巨大变化,对吧? ZUSA是一个非常大的国家,可以轻松吸收很多人。 我敢打赌 ZUSA 也会成为他们的 numero uno 选择。
    What does not appear reasonable to me is that the Palestinians must continue to endure such a terrible fate, a fate which would not have befallen them without crucial ZUSA support, which as we are witnessing, may become even worse, under Trump. Didn’t Trump promisse to be fair to both sides during the campaign… these guys always promisse one thing and deliver another.
    我们也不要将 ZUSA 和沙特巴巴里亚混为一谈。 你们生活在“自由”和“勇敢”的土地上,对吗? 好吧,不是那么多……但你仍然有一些自由,你可以组织和抗议,等等……问题是zamericans很少利用这些剩余的自由……太漫不经心了。
    这不仅在 ZUSA 是一个严重的问题,在大多数所谓的西方民主国家也是如此。 很少参与,没人关心,直到事情变得非常糟糕。
    Where were the Italians to protest against their country taking part in the destruction of Libya? Now, they r feeling quite restless, what with all the boatloads of sub-saharan blacks invading Italy trough Libya…
    在所谓的民主国家,公民必须参与并注意,保持警惕,因为寡头,恶魔,他们永远不会停止做他们的事。
    如果我们经常在方向盘上睡着,我们就不能抱怨那么多。
    例如,ZUSAN 的政治体系是 100% 腐败的。 但我从来没有听到美国人谈论彻底改革制度,你们只是继续按照寡头统治的规则玩,选举精英的民主老鼠或共和党走狗,并期待不同的结果。 为什么不创建一个新的、新鲜的群众运动/政党?
    没有真正的、有意义的改革,期待改变是幼稚的。
    犹太复国主义者抢劫你们瞎子,你们甚至不能举行大规模抗议!
    Most don’t know, don’t care. So, if I help vote Trump into power, and then this individual starts a war, say, with Iran – he won’t, unless he is crazy – then yes, I’m a little responsible for that. At the very least, I, and everyone else who voted for him should be up in arms demanding no war and the guy’s resignation.

    向你致以最诚挚的问候和新年快乐,Rurik!

    • 回复: @Rurik
  360. Sam Shama 说:
    @Talha

    OK – so some land from inside Israel proper for some land of the WB? And some Jewish settlers swapped for some Arab Israelis? I’m not getting it.

    2SS:
    Yes precisely, that is the meaning of a land-and-population swap. It is going to be difficult but not impossible. The large settlements are going to be absorbed into Israel and swapped for land from within the green line, possibly expanding existing Israeli-Arab towns. The small settlements will have to be handed over to the Palestinian state. All Israeli Arabs who wish to take Palestinian citizenship will need to move; I doubt very many will. Similarly, Jews in the settlements who wish to take Pal citizenship will need to move as well. I don’t think we’ll need more that the digits on our hands to count them. Population and land swaps will be phased over, say a year or two. The basic principle of land swaps will be driven by an objective function which minimises population movement.

    1SS:
    I think this is the more likely outcome at present. Palestinians who wish to move to Jordan etc. will obtain through an International agreement, financial and relocation support. Land-owning citizens will be paid fair value for their assets. Israel will become a nation with a significant minority. What is a manageable size of this minority? I don’t think this should be viewed too differently than say, what Belgium or Switzerland deal with.

    Or do you mean Israel annexes say the north of the WB and the Palestinians from the north move south and vice versa for the Jewish population? In which case, would the partitioning of land be proportional to demographics? Would, say, the 15% Jewish population get the 15% of the north and the Palestinian get 80-85% (of the original plan? I mean it is already pitifully small as it is.

    No, I don’t mean this. That would start the Pal state with an outright handicap. Existing Arab towns inside Israel and close to the Green line will need to be expanded according to need.

    Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, with an International force from the three religions securing her. It’ll be similar to a greatly expanded Vatican guard. Jews and Christians will be allowed to pray on the Temple Mount if they choose to.

    Ramallah will be the capital of the Pal state.

    • 回复: @Talha
  361. Talha 说:
    @Sam Shama

    Glad I gave you the chance to speak for yourself – this seems one of the more reasonable explanations actually.

    和平:

  362. Sam Shama 说:
    @Talha

    嘿塔哈,
    I had missed this post of yours. All I say is that you ought to consider moving only if your religious yearnings prompt you to do so; not on account of any addled sentiments held by any white-nationalist-nativists in this country, exaggeratedly represented by poor samples drawn from this webzine.

    • 回复: @Talha
  363. Art 说:
    @iffen

    S2C,

    We each have our cultural positions and our selected facts on WWII. There were many sides – each with truths and lies – goods and bads. If it were not for the Jew manipulation, it would not be a topic of discussion.

    I prefer the now.

    On another article someone brought up the Swiss. Now those are some altogether people. A neutral, democratic, peaceful, prosperous, people. It is a nation where local is king. Where local is sovereign.

    They speak four different languages. Vote on everything important. Every home is armed.

    Every town is a separate entity with an identity – your neighbor townsmen are considered foreigners.

    It is a nation of secure stable local people – how nice.

    和平—艺术

    • 回复: @Carroll Price
  364. Talha 说:
    @Sam Shama

    嘿,山姆,

    Don’t sweat it – life isn’t a popularity contest, so I don’t plan to play. Especially not to the tune of those on anonymous forums. My views on this issue were posted here (when someone suggested I to go to Dar ul-Islam):
    “That’s not a problem – I’m not begging to stay. I know quite well what the traditional view on Muslims residing in non-Muslim countries is; that we are guests with a covenant with the ruling authorities and a social contract with the people…
    At this point, I have not been formally asked by the ruling authorities to leave, I have great relations with my neighbors, and my IT director has made it clear he doesn’t know what he would do without me, so right now things are working out well for everyone involved.
    Also, my wife is a White convert and (silly her) seems to think she has just as much a right to stay here as any other White person – who listens to their husbands these days?”
    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/the-sun-people-tsunami-and-the-inevitability-of-lifeboat-ethics/#comment-1700202

    和平:

  365. @Anonymous

    Maybe true and interesting but are you one of those irritating Anonymous’s who just likes to hear the sound of his own voice regardless of the conversation he is barging in on?

    See #98, #110, #151, #199 as well as #338. When Rothschilds and others in the 19th century helped the minority of Jews escaping life in the Russian empire who didn’t choose to go West or to the farther flung parts of the British Empire like Australia or South Africa to settle in Ottoman Palestine they did it by buying land. Do you deny it? Do you deny that it included unproductive absentee landlords’ large holdings in the area of Tel Aviv? (I gather the sales pissed off many Arabs but so far it is exemplary compared with the 19th century European settlement of the US). Do you deny that the Arab population of Palestine subsequently increased substantially by immigration? Your denials would be part of the conversation. Otherwise kindly return to the bar and barge in on someone else’s argument.

  366. geokat62 说:

    Since most of your comments to Robin were directed to me, I think it’s only fair that I should respond.

    I do occasionally get annoyed when I spot commenters relentlessly spewing exaggerated anti-Israel propaganda.

    Please furnish specific examples of my exaggerations. btw – how do you think those of us feel when we spot commenters relentlessly spewing exaggerated pro-Israel propaganda?

    I do draw a line at outright, inane racism; which is what prompted me to take a dim view of Diogenes-the-latter, who, apparently oblivious of the cosmopolitan core of the original man,

    Inane racism? While it’s true that Diogenes the Cynic considered himself a cosmopolitan and a citizen of the world, I don’t think he would have subscribed to the concept of radical inclusion. You know, the concept put forward by rabbi Matt Rosenberg when he tried to challenge the alt-right Richard Spencer with ‘radical inclusion and love’. Here is a quick summary of their exchange:

    拉比——“我的传统教导一种激进的包容和爱的信息。 你愿意坐下来和我一起学习律法,学习爱吗?”

    斯宾塞——“你真的想彻底融入以色列国吗? 我的意思是激进的包容。 也许整个中东都可以搬到特拉维夫或耶路撒冷。 你真的想要吗?”

    罗森伯格沉默了。

    斯宾塞——“你没有回答,”

    拉比——“我不回答,”

    斯宾塞——“犹太人的存在正是因为你没有同化,”斯宾塞继续说。 “这就是为什么犹太人是一个有着历史、文化和未来的连贯民族。 那是因为你有自己的感觉。 我尊重你。 我希望我的人民对自己有同样的认识。”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/12/losing-debate-israel/

    So because I openly declared that I no longer worshipped at the feet of the false god of multiculturalism (after disovering the Frankfurt School propagated this meme to undermine the pillars of Western culture) and rejected radical inclusion, that makes me an inane racist?

    Don’t you, like the rabbi, also reject radical inclusion for Israel? Why doesn’t that make you an inane racist?

    The internal contradictions were stunning…

    Stunning, indeed.

    I think Rurik best encapsulated my sentiments on this issue when he wrote:

    好吧,我不认为自己是“白人民族主义类型”,而只是一个理智的人,没有种族自我厌恶,不想看到我的特定表型永远混合在一起作为最终解决方案种族主义——随着其他种族和文化不受控制和无限地输入到我的祖先在数万年的斗争中锻造出来的土地上。

    And, finally, with respect to this comment:

    Finally,… I find it wanting, attempts to wave Messrs Mere and Waltz, as a prophylactic which clears the war-like history of all great powers and reduces the same to a solitary causal agent, Israel. That is patently simple-minded.

    the two professors did no such thing. What they did do was provide a non-judgmental, clinical, objective assessment of the pros and cons of the special relationship and they concluded very definitively that said relationship was a liability to the interests of the American people. If you have a beef with anything they’ve written, produce specific examples where they have distorted the truth. I welcome it.

    btw – I like your attempt at disparaging the two distinguished professors by altering the spelling of their names… very professional.

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  367. Anonymous [AKA "Michael Bennett"] 说:

    American Principles First

  368. geokat62 说:
    @iffen

    Arts, I resist the idea that there are different species of extant humans.

    It might be a little early, but this line gets my nod for best script for the upcoming academy awards.

  369. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Your argument appears to be that when a country is a recognised sovereign nation by (presumably) the standards of international law – or by the generality of other nations’ recognition maybe – it can acquire territory, including populated territory, by conquest and annexation. So you would argue that if Israel were ever a legal nation it could annex the West Bank and make it part of Israel as China has made Tibet part of China and Indonesia has made West Irian part of Indonesia.

    Recognition of nationhood can be a bit messy and mixed with the question of which government is recognised and what territory a government has control over. But isn’t it a bit late for a supporter of Chinese claims to deny Israel’s national status? After all, you will find a Chinese Embassy at 222 Ben Yehuda Street in Tel Aviv and I presume the Chinese envoy has presented his credentials to the President of Israel.

    Perhaps I am overrating the scrupulous technical accuracy with which you seek to make your arguments and it is from your heart rather than your head that they spring. After all the notion that Israel’s Arab voting citizens who are entitled to confer residence on a foreign spouse are not “considered” to be citizens but “considered” to be “guests” is legally illiterate handwaving leading nowhere.

    • 回复: @Mao Cheng Ji
  370. Paul C. 说:
    @iffen

    Didn’t the zionists drag America into WW1 on behalf of England in exchange for England’s support of a Jewish state in the middle east? Wasn’t that the gist of the Balfour Declaration? And didn’t American zionists support and fund Hitler in WW2?

    Didn’t zionist (jewish) Bolshevik’s kill tens of millions of Christian Russians?

    Isn’t satanic zionism (communism/NWO) the evil we’re dealing with today? Why are these people incapable of peace and enjoying life?

    • 回复: @iffen
  371. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Kyle McKenna

    It is discouraging that America has Jews as its #1 foreign policy.

  372. RobinG 说:
    @Sam Shama

    “The internal contradictions were stunning..” They ARE stunning. A person seems able to hold an infinitely variable assortment of seemingly conflicting views. Like, how can so-and-so think a, b, and c… and also believe x…? Mind boggling. But it happens all the time: you probably have some opinionated, grumpy old uncle who exasperates you.

    Anyway, for a long time I despised Joe Webb, probably for different reasons than you might have. But Joe has surprising depth of experience and articulates certain points better than anyone here (that I’ve seen). I was delighted that he went out to a lefty-sponsored event in Berkeley and gave them a run for their money.

    This isn’t a great segue, but this film speaks to the general subject. Two links, because the one with Italian subtitles is a better copy. (You need English if you don’t speak Hebrew.)

    DEFAMATION 2009 (sub ita)

    Behind the Scenes of the ADL
    DEFAMATION (sub eng)

    • 回复: @geokat62
    , @Sam Shama
  373. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Talha

    有趣。

    So was the reason that European explorers always went disguised that the Meccan populace was always more fanatical than people elsewhere, or that the peninsular Arabs subscribed even then to a different interpretation, or something along those lines?

    • 回复: @Talha
  374. geokat62 说:
    @RobinG

    A person seems able to hold an infinitely variable assortment of seemingly conflicting views.

    David Hume once said: “but what is man but a heap of contradictions.”

    To which I always hasten to add: “true enough, but some heaps are bigger than others.”

    • 哈哈: Talha
  375. Sam Shama 说:
    @geokat62

    I’d have preferred responding to this with more than the ten minutes I have available.

    I declared no high-minded affinity for Diogenes (my position on cultural drift is couched in terms of the essence of numbers); it was you who did that; and then, with the effortless abandon of a skater on the ice, made a quick and convenient turn to the white nativism of Monsieur Webb.

    The frosting on that particular cake came in the form of a confident claim regarding Diogenes’ preferences for ‘radical inclusion’ as if that poor Socratic wight would’ve had anything to say about it.

    Not quite done, you bring out a rabbi’s interview with Spencer the neo-nazi; apparently, the rabbi’s inarticulateness secured a license for your topical and expedient abandonment of poor Diogenes. I think I am in a better position to speculate on what that philosopher might have told 美味!

    Not quite done even yet, you invoke the Rurik gambit. What that proves beyond assertions which may be generously called polemical, but more factually rubbish [what are the numbers of non-white immigrants coming into Canada as a percentage of the population? Uncontrolled and infinite? wtf does that mean? Prove that you phenotype is about to be subsumed.] is best left to a thinking reader to judge for themselves.

    About M&W; they may be profs but they do not have the last word as you often seem to believe. They are agenda driven as much as the next academic, bound to surface with equally motivated causes to promote.

    • 回复: @geokat62
  376. iffen 说:
    @Paul C.

    Yes, the evil Jew-matrix has been running strong for well over 2000 thousand years now and is at the root of all misery known to mankind and God. I tremble at the thought of what they have in store for us in the next 2000.

    • 回复: @Paul C.
  377. geokat62 说:
    @Sam Shama

    Let’s clearly delineate our respective positions on the key issues to see who is guilty of stunning contradictions, shall we:

    1. Multiculturalism for western countries

    Sam Shama: since multiculturalism is a good thing, no restrictions should be placed on immigration.

    geokat62: since multiculturalism is something that was promoted by the Frankfurt School to subvert the foundations of Western culture (by seeking the dissolution of the family, et al), controls should be placed on immigration to ensure these countries retain their historical western character.

    2. Multiculturalism for the Zionist project

    Sam Shama: since multiculturalism is a bad thing, controls should be placed on immigration to ensure the ZP retains it’s Jewish character.

    geokat62: since multiculturalism is something that was promoted by the Frankfurt School to subvert the foundations of Western culture (by seeking the dissolution of the family, et al), controls should be placed on immigration to ensure the ZP retains its Jewish character…

    BUT, here’s the proviso: since the Jewish state required the dispossession of the indigenous population (after the rules of international law were well established in the modern era), and since it required subjecting said population to a brutal occupation lasting several decades (with no end in sight), the ZP forfeited its right to these privileges.

    • 回复: @geokat62
  378. Paul C. 说:
    @iffen

    And they wonder why they’re universally disliked.

  379. @Art

    They speak four different languages. Vote on everything important. Every home is armed.

    Every town is a separate entity with an identity – your neighbor townsmen are considered foreigners.

    It is a nation of secure stable local people – how nice.

    Except for the absence of 4 languages being spoken, your description of Switzerland sounds much like what my homeland, the South was like prior to the US military invading and destroying or stealing any and everything of worth or value. A mission that, unfortunately for the rest of the world, has continued, uninterrupted from that day, to this day.

  380. geokat62 说:
    @geokat62

    Oh, I almost forgot….

    The guy who’s advocating the transfer of 1.8M people has the chutzpah to call me an inane racist for advocating the imposition of immigration controls to ensure western nations retain their historic character.

    Talk about stunning contradictions.

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  381. davey 说:

    Anti-Semitism Awareness Act = NEVER USE THE WORD “JEWS”, NEVER EVER

  382. Sam Shama 说:
    @geokat62

    这篇文章和你之前的一篇文章让我意识到你正在抓住稻草,而它们却无法让你漂浮。

    Had you been debating on a seasoned forum, of pedigree, you’d have caused much mirth as you stepped off the podium, and 楚兹帕, that hoary Jewish gem, wouldn’t have been the word summoned in the minds of the audience; 喜剧, I daresay would’ve better caught the mood. So, to start with, as one who rejects multiculturalism, you’d serve yourself better refraining from its use.

    It’s of no use putting yourself through contortions attempting to respond to this post I am about to complete. But do so if you wish. It had begun to dawn on me during our recent exchanges on the subject of crude oil volatility; you’re a person incapable of abandoning false premises once the teeth are firmly lodged in the flawed bone.

    因此,为了让我们关注一个应该相当简单的问题,在以下帖子中,我列出了我认为可能是公平的解决方案:

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/welcome-to-greater-israel/#comment-1706823
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/welcome-to-greater-israel/#comment-1706866
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/welcome-to-greater-israel/#comment-1709344
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/welcome-to-greater-israel/#comment-1709344
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/welcome-to-greater-israel/#comment-1709856
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/welcome-to-greater-israel/#comment-1710096
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/welcome-to-greater-israel/#comment-1710955
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/welcome-to-greater-israel/#comment-1711008
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/welcome-to-greater-israel/#comment-1711036

    It is certainly not ‘The guy who’s advocating the transfer of 1.8M people”, but one who is calling to explore voluntary 掉期 有公平的补偿。 也有网友评论的

    我一直不明白为什么“宗教”犹太人反对巴勒斯坦人共同居住在一块共同的祖先土地上; 也没有哈马斯/好朋友宣布他们打算把每个犹太人扔进海里。

    这些帖子促使 Talha 发表评论,大意是他认为我的立场是更合理或可接受的解释之一。

    让我们问问 Talha、RobinG、Iffen 或 Wiz,如果他们在我上面的帖子中发现任何可能被解释为强迫人口转移的内容,我会礼貌地与他们交谈。

    I think your ‘delineation’ is actually a wobbly strawman.

    So, getting past the nonsense and observing you hadn’t been able to construct even a figment to counter my observations in #390: unable to offer why extremely small numbers of non-white immigration to Canada causes you to invoke the Rurik gambit, unable to explain the meaning of infinite immigration etc, unable to prove that your phenotype is about to be lost forever, I am left to wonder what alarm bells plague your moments of private contemplation?

    最后也是最重要的 – stowing the well-known talking points re: Zionism ad nauseum and sticking to the question of personal integrity- for one who so grandly proclaims a desire to ‘ensure western nations retain their historic character,’ claims Diogenes as the zenith of one’s cultural aspirations, how do they then reconcile that with their expedient abandonment of said principles ?

    也许第欧根尼附带了一个应急条款。

    晚安。

  383. Talha 说:
    @Anon

    I’m not sure if fanatical is quite the word I would use because it simply has to do with legitimate interpretation of the source texts. Maybe it seems fanatical or liberal in someone else’s framework, but it does not jive with ours.

    To the point…the area of the Hijaz has undergone changes in control in history, from being administered by the Maliki interpretation to the Hanafi (even shifted to the Ismaili with the Fatimids in charge for a while) and currently neo-Hanbali/Wahhabi. All depends on who was in charge; the experience of the European explorers would have reflected this reality.

    And yes, the fact that currently non-Muslims cannot visit those sites is related to the fact that Wahhabis are in control.

    On a side, but related, note; according to the Hanafi school (historically and currently the most populous school) – all non-Muslims are allowed to use a mosque for prayer as long as there is no introducing of idols or related outward polytheistic activity and the like and they observe modesty of dress.

    和平:

    • 回复: @Anon
  384. iffen 说:
    @Sam Shama

    you’re a person incapable of abandoning false premises once the teeth are firmly lodged in the flawed bone.

    This is a human trait that we all share.

    Once you can see that they apply a unique evaluation to Israel, judging Israel by a set of standards that they apply to no other country; the die is cast. There is only one basis for doing this.

    Some that comment here are open and blatant; some play it close to the vest. They are not here to gain understanding and exchange ideas. They are here to propagandize.

    • 同意: Sam Shama
    • 回复: @geokat62
  385. @Wizard of Oz

    你的论点似乎是,当一个国家(大概)根据国际法标准——或者其他国家承认的普遍性——成为公认的主权国家时,它可以通过征服和吞并获得领土,包括人口稠密的领土。

    That’s not the issue we’ve been discussing here. We were talking about 殖民殖民主义, and I objected to the notion that the China/Tibet situation is a species of the same phenomenon, that’s all. The legality of annexation of Tibet is a separate unrelated issue.

    And what I’m saying has nothing to do with legality, I’m just trying to clarify the essence of the situation in Palestine in the last 60 years. The essence of it, what’s being happening there all these years.

    To me — and to many others all over the world — it’s the last attempt at Western settler-colonialism, similar, for example, to European colonization of North America, started in mid-1600s, and completed, for the most part, 200 (or so) years later.

    • 回复: @iffen
    , @Wizard of Oz
    , @Karl
  386. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Talha

    狂热一定意味着什么,如果伯顿是对的

    …though neither Koran or Sultan enjoin the death of Jew or Christian intruding within the columns that note the sanctuary limits, nothing could save a European detected by the populace, or one who after pilgrimage declared himself an unbeliever.

    fanaticism is, I think, a decent shorthand for such action, which also fits, to me, one of Dr. Johnson’s definitions, “a man with wild notions of religion”. However, another definition implies that fanatics are “struck with superstitious frenzy”, and the word itself is certainly unnecessarily pejorative, so I withdraw it happily if you so insist.

    当然,伯顿可能夸大其词; 我主要想到的是他,因为他在 1850 年旅行——当时奥斯曼帝国负责,因此我的问题。

    不过,在伯顿浪费半小时的整理时间也回答了这个问题:

    Hanafi 学校在 Al-Madinah 排名第一,就像在 Al-Islam 的大部分地区一样,尽管许多公民和几乎所有的 Badawin 都是沙菲教派。

    另一方面,如果麦加人(在 1850 年代)表现出与其他穆斯林相比,他们自己可能很难被视为狂热分子,

    骄傲、偏执、不信教、贪得无厌、不道德和挥霍无度

    (!)

    上帝的恩典与你同在。

    • 回复: @Talha
  387. iffen 说:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    We were talking about settler-colonialism,

    You mean like where the Han are moving to Tibet?

    • 回复: @Mao Cheng Ji
  388. @Sam Shama

    Speaking of an over-used word, to my knowledge there’s only one group of people with enough 楚兹帕 (gall) to steal and occupy 9/10s of another people’s land, then offer to bargain and swap the rightful owners out of what little is left. And if that my friend, does not sum-up why Jews are loathed and despised the world over, then nothing ever will.

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  389. Sam Shama 说:
    @RobinG

    嗨罗宾,
    I plan to watch the youtube features; in Hebrew, and hopefully will have something interesting to tell you.

    You are right I do get exasperated rather easily but try my best to contain the emotion from erupting into plain view; cannot say I always succeed with high marks. I find exasperating, those professional mourners crying tears over matters on which they have formed a distinct dogma; one which obviously suits their theatrics, forswearing all objective appraisal. I suppose it is normal human psychology to cling to narratives releasing the warm glow of a piety well broadcast.

    I don’t despise Joe Webb, on the contrary, and somewhat troublingly, I find him intriguing. As you say, he does have a depth of experience and ability to cut through the malarky of SJW’s infesting our campuses. But I instinctively recoil when the n-word, or ‘mexxers’ or ‘muzzies’ etc, are thrown around with little thought as to their effect on entire groups of people! Einstein had said something cutting re: this habit, common for that era, something which spoke to the inanity of persons who practiced it.

    • 回复: @Art
  390. geokat62 说:
    @Sam Shama

    这当然不是“鼓吹1.8万人转移的人”,而是呼吁探索公平补偿​​的自愿互换。 也有网友评论的

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought that the “voluntary and fair” part applied to the WB and according to your proposed solution Gaza should be Egypt’s problem? In my eyes, this is just another form of population transfer, notwithstanding the fact that you are reluctant to present it as such.

    无法提供为什么极少数非白人移民到加拿大会导致您援引留里克策略,无法解释无限移民的含义等,无法证明您的表型即将永远消失,我很想知道什么警钟困扰着你的私人沉思时刻?

    Forget about Canada for a moment. Let’s talk about your beloved USA. What do you make of this headline:

    美国的人口统计数据处于一个明确的轨道上:白人的死亡速度比他们出生的速度快,这意味着他们的目标是在 30 年内成为美国的少数族裔。

    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/6/25/whites-on-target-to-become-a-us-minority.html

    这难道不代表你敲响了警钟吗? 如果没有,为什么不呢?

    Now, let’s look at Canada. Here are the latest projections:

    正在发生巨大的人口变化 that could alter Canada’s economic, political and education systems and exacerbate the divide between rural and urban communities.

    到 2031 年,三分之一的加拿大人将属于有色人种。 Statscan 在周二的一份新闻稿中表示,四分之一将是外国出生的人,这是自 1910 年左右开始的上一波大规模移民浪潮结束以来的最高比例。

    Never before have those who identify themselves as racial minorities seen their ranks grow at such a pace, sparking a debate about how Canada itself might change over the next 20 years. Some argue it won’t change much at all, that new immigrants will, like their predecessors, adapt to the established cultural norms. Others say the process might not be so smooth, that there may be growing pains to overcome as groups with very different cultural practices brush up against one another.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/the-changing-face-of-canada-booming-minority-populations-by-2031/article569072/

    可以肯定的是,法兰福特学校会对这些结果非常满意。

    … how do they then reconcile that with their expedient abandonment of said principles ?

    You seem to think that Diogenes is the only figure in the panoply of Greek thinkers. He’s not. There are dozens and dozens. And as you know there are many that rank much higher than Diogenes in terms of their contributions to western human thought (e.g., Plato, Aristotle, Archimedes, Euclid, Heraclitus, Democratus, Hippocrates, Sophocles, Euripedis, Aristophanes, Aeschylus, etc. etc. etc.) I simply cited Diogenes in the context of one of our discussions to explain why I was urging you to be consistent with your reasoning, remember?… either rule #1 (end jusify the means) or rule #2 (adherance to morality). And Diogenes best described the importance of being consistently honest (hence the lantern in daylight looking for an honest man). That was it. I didn’t declare that Diogenes was my northern star when it came to my views on immigration. No, my northern star for that is the Frankfurt School.

    Speaking of the FS, you’ve never shared your views on this group, Sam. Do you agree they were the inspiration for the New Left via their propagation of cultural Marxism? What do you make of their goals – undermining the foundations of Western culture by attacking the key institutions including the family, by promoting multiculturalism, diversity, etc. – so that fascism never takes root in America to prevent another holocaust. Do you think it was a noble project? Or do you condemn their efforts given the visible damage it has done to Western societies?

    I guess the fundamental question I’m driving at is this: are you a defender of Western culture – i.e., do you count yourself among those who think it is important to ensure Western societies take the necessary steps to retain their western character before it’s too late – or not?

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
    , @Carroll Price
  391. @iffen

    You mean like where the Han are moving to Tibet?

    I already addressed this, and you’re just being annoying. People are free to move around within their own country – China, in this case. They are all citizens of China, and, even if it may sound surprising here on this website, very few people are obsessed with meaningless ethnic labels. Han, Schman, nobody cares.

    • 回复: @iffen
  392. geokat62 说:
    @iffen

    Once you can see that they apply a unique evaluation to Israel, judging Israel by a set of standards that they apply to no other country; the die is cast. There is only one basis for doing this.

    I’ve clearly articulated my reasons for evaluating Israel differently:

    BUT, here’s the proviso: since the Jewish state required the dispossession of the indigenous population (after the rules of international law were well established in the modern era), and since it required subjecting said population to a brutal occupation lasting several decades (with no end in sight), the ZP forfeited its right to these privileges.

    You can disagree, but your implying there other ulterior motives for my doing so (i.e., racism) is pathetic. And you have the nerve to become indignant when I challenge your honesty and patriotism?

    • 回复: @iffen
  393. geokat62 说:
    @Carroll Price

    伟大的文章。

    The piece has a very provocative headline:

    Israel’s never-ending crimes: It’s not just settlements
    Israel has not just committed unspeakable acts of genocide but done so with absolute transparency.

    But even more provocative is the author:

    Stanley L Cohen is an attorney and human rights activist who has done extensive work in the Middle East and Africa.

    As I’ve stated previously on numerous occasions, these Jews who speak out against injustice are truly noble spirits.

    But according to some, Stanley Cohen is just another self-hating Jew.

  394. iffen 说:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    very few people are obsessed with meaningless ethnic labels. Han, Schman, nobody cares

    I wonder if the Tibetans and Uyghurs would agree with you.

    and you’re just being annoying

    I can understand this. It always annoys the hell out of me when someone continually points out that I am applying a double standard.

  395. iffen 说:
    @geokat62

    but your implying there other ulterior motives for my doing so (i.e., racism) is pathetic.

    This is not my intent.

    This is my intent.

    You decided this first:

    the ZP forfeited its right to these privileges.

    Then you looked around (and you are still looking) and latched onto justifications for your views.

    • 回复: @geokat62
  396. L.K 说:

    ‘But according to some, Stanley Cohen is just another self-hating Jew.’

    Yep. No voice is ever any good according to these shameless zio liars, unless it is a Zio supremacist voice.

  397. @Mao Cheng Ji

    You say “It is not the issue we (sic) have beeb discussing here” but I presume you hope and intend your thinking and arguments will be logically consistent so it is a legitimate way of testing them to seek to draw out the implications.

    It seems clear that your argument about China and Tibet (and I presume Indonesia and West Irian) means that if the Israeli conquest of the West Bank had led to annexation then there would have been no more problem about the Jewish settlers moving into the West Bank to ĺive and work than Han people doing the same in Tibet – in both cases to the considerable distress of those who had been living there for a considerable time before the annexation.

    The Indians in Fiji and Chinese in Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam and the Philippines – though not it seems in Thailand – are all examples of settlers who, eventually at least, in a Malthusian world had much the same effect on the earlier inhabitants as the settlers on West Bank Palestinuans. In the earlier times with relatively small populations involved the fact that there.was no great contest for land or resources and that all were subject to an imperial ruling power mitigated the conflict until after the imperial power left. Not strictly analagous or applicable to the Palestine scenario but worth considering when one is setting up one’s judgmental yardsticks if only to give perspective.

  398. Sam Shama 说:
    @Carroll Price

    嗨卡罗尔,
    I was thinking about people from different parts of this earth; variations in cultural stereotypes and the all too human tendency to form opinions of others. Jews do have a reputation, don’t they? So do southerners in this country. I’ve alway held true southerners with something of a fondness. There is a certain solidity about them: people like Fred Reed. They also write better than the yanks.

    On the question of title to a piece of the Holy Land, I am bound to observe that our’s precedes all other claims. Now, one might argue as to who the latest owners were, and how they were displaced; even on that basis, I reckon I could make the obvious trumping argument. You might then say colonial settlements stopped a hundred years or a bit earlier; I could then remark on the arbitrariness of that observation: two hundred years or sixty years, are mere blinks of an eye on the evolutionary scale, and man will continue to do what man always has, and all we can hope for are negotiated settlements away from war.

    • 回复: @Art
    , @Anonymous
    , @Carroll Price
  399. geokat62 说:
    @iffen

    You decided this first:

    the ZP forfeited its right to these privileges.

    Then you looked around (and you are still looking) and latched onto justifications for your views.

    That’s one explanation. And the other is that I arrived at this conclusion after considering all the available facts in the observable world.

    So there are two equally valid explanations for my reasoning. But for some reason you choose to doubt the one I put forward.

    Let me remind you of what you recently wrote:

    Why do you continuously question my honesty and my patriotism?

    I question your understanding of politics and history, but as far as I can remember, I haven’t questioned your honesty or your patriotism.

    By not accepting the explanation for my reasoning I put forward, aren’t you indirectly questioning my honesty?

    • 回复: @iffen
  400. iffen 说:
    @geokat62

    aren’t you indirectly questioning my honesty?

    No. I am questioning your ability to understand how you have formed your opinion.

    • 回复: @geokat62
  401. Art 说:
    @Sam Shama

    You are right I do get exasperated rather easily but try my best to contain the emotion from erupting into plain view; cannot say I always succeed with high marks.

    Oh my – the victimization of it all – the suffering!

    This poor Jew has to listen to the truth of his tribe’s evil misdeeds. People have the nerve to throw his words back at him – to remind him how he has coerced our country – taken us to disastrous wars – subverted our democracy – destroyed our media – and taken our culture into the cutter.

    Look at what he has to hear – we are so mean to him. Think of that – people actually talking back to a Jew. His god (the god of the whole universe) will not like that.

    p.s. I think his god is going to talk to our congress and fix this free speech internet thing.

  402. Art 说:
    @Sam Shama

    关于一块圣地的所有权问题,我必须指出,我们的权利优先于所有其他权利主张。

    Proceeding claims do not trump current claims. The world does not recognize you outlandish claims. The whole world at the UN just voted 14 to zero on your false claims. Get it – good moral World 14 – thieving JEWS zero.

    你们犹太人所做的恶臭令人厌恶。 盗窃巴勒斯坦所涉及的胁迫令人震惊。

    我们拒绝让你们犹太人把人类带回几千年前的部落地狱。

    和平—艺术

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
    , @Karl
  403. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Sam Shama

    关于一块圣地的所有权问题,我必须指出,我们的权利优先于所有其他权利主张。

    约书亚与阴影作战?

    黎凡特没有迦南人? 没有亚玛力人?

    Jericho was never peopled — it’s cultivated fields drifted down from the sky, miraculously.

    没有妓女喇合?

    该死的。

    What next — John Wayne was afraid of horses?

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  404. Sam Shama 说:
    @Art

    Be careful or I am going to reduce your pork and beans rations by half

    • 回复: @Art
  405. geokat62 说:
    @iffen

    No. I am questioning your ability to understand how you have formed your opinion.

    Let’s see if I’ve got this right. You’re saying 美味 have a better understanding of how I 形成 my opinion, than I do?

    Makes perfect sense!

  406. Art 说:
    @Sam Shama

    Be careful or I am going to reduce your pork and beans rations by half

    You know how to hurt a guy.

    But it’s alright – Moshe says I need to go on a diet.

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  407. Sam Shama 说:
    @Art

    Moshe going to eat the extra pork ? He’s not a Good Jew!

    • 回复: @Art
  408. Sam Shama 说:
    @Anonymous

    Brith Milah [盟约] 是土地的权利。 你认为那个契约是谁的?

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  409. Rurik 说:
    @L.K

    好的,LK

    我很高兴你从中受益。 你的欢笑甚至会传染,我读着笑了。

    我觉得你的反对意见有点奇怪……

    首先是公元前,如果没记错的话,从之前的谈话中,你听起来真的很喜欢部落

    一些 部落的成员,是的,非常如此。 但我对其他人没有用处,我确实找到了他们的 集体 对这个世界的影响常常是可疑的。

    而且,作为记录,我注意到大多数犹太人和大多数以色列人之间存在明显差异。 它们不可互换。 犹太人通常非常愉快和通情达理,甚至对犹太复国主义持批评态度。 至少就它今天在巴勒斯坦的应用而言。

    但以色列人往往是你见过的最令人讨厌和傲慢的混蛋。 无论如何,不​​是全部,但肯定有很多。 他们的领导鼓励他们这样做,认为自己比其他人优秀,比其他人更好,而且是上帝的选民,创造是为他们创造的,外邦人应该向他们鞠躬。 正是因为这些(部分)人的嚣张得让人无法忍受,我才为好朋友们感到难过,因为在民事情况下和他们一起在酒店大堂就可以考验一个人的忍耐力,你只能想象他们是多么的残忍和骇人听闻必须在他们的摆布下对待无助的受害者。

    所以不,我不希望他们都来这里,不 ****** 道路。 但与此同时,我为巴勒斯坦人(以及今天所有其他数百万犹太复国主义的无数受害者)感到可怕,因为我的政府(恶魔)一直在代表以色列折磨、谋杀和驱逐数以百万计的人。

    我们也不要将 ZUSA 和沙特巴巴里亚混为一谈。 你们生活在“自由”和“勇敢”的土地上,对吗? 好吧,不是那么多……但你仍然有一些自由,你可以组织和抗议,等等……问题是zamericans很少利用这些剩余的自由……太漫不经心了。

    哎呀,我得走了

    稍后我会尝试回到这个问题

    LK也祝你新年快乐!

    希望它能为人们的生活带来和平和希望。 这当然是我们美国人投票支持的!

  410. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Sam Shama

    我从来没有听说过 Brith Milah。

    我已经完成了大量有关土地所有权、契约等方面的工作,并且我已经并且确实拥有契约的“土地权”,以我的名义在适当司法管辖区的合法当局注册。 我想一个叫 DeSota 的人几年前写了一本书,关于注册土地权是资本主义社会的基础。

    但我从未遇到过 Brith Milah。

    谁传达了标题?
    什么合法机构登记了运输? 它在我参与的司法管辖区的运作方式,如果它没有被适当的当局注册和盖章,它就不是一个可执行的转让。 如果转让的双方都没有代表并参与公平交换,则它不是可执行的转让。

    你有密封的文件吗?
    或者你脑子里的声音?

    想想看,在早年的生活中,我和那些听到他们头脑中声音的人做过一些工作。 悲伤的情况,那些; 受到神经过程失控的折磨。 我们尽我们所能帮助他们,尽可能充实地过他们的生活,而不是对他们周围的其他人构成危险。

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
    , @Carroll Price
  411. @Sam Shama

    关于一块圣地的所有权问题,我必须指出,我们的权利优先于所有其他要求

    关于以色列对巴勒斯坦土地的前所未有的所有权,参考帖子 305,我在其中向雅克·席茨解释了这种轻巧的手是如何产生的。 但我不会责怪你纵容人们编造荒诞故事,而是责怪数以百万计头脑简单的基督教原教旨主义者,他们阅读了这种描述的明显废话,并相信每一个字,因为他们从出生到死亡都被教导说任何人写的东西根据定义,犹太人是福音真理。 足以动摇一个人对自己人民的信心

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
    , @iffen
  412. Sam Shama 说:
    @Anonymous

    很高兴看到你们这些人把自己打成一个很好的泡沫🙂

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  413. Sam Shama 说:
    @Carroll Price

    卡罗尔,不要对评论部分中写的所有内容感到愤怒。

    祝你新年快乐。

  414. @Anonymous

    基于与以色列类似的主张,南非布尔人也声称德兰士瓦是他们的盟约权利,但基什内尔将军很快证明他们是错误的。

  415. iffen 说:
    @Carroll Price

    根据定义,犹太人写的任何东西都是福音真理。

    嗯,福音书是犹太人写的。

    现在,如果您在谈论 Sam,他会发表顶级评论,但他并非绝对可靠。

  416. RobinG 说:

    我的 JVP 朋友给我的新年推荐:

    恐怖状态:恐怖主义如何创造现代以色列
    托马斯·苏亚雷斯(Thomas Suarez)

    “这本书是对犹太复国主义运动以及后来的以色列国对巴勒斯坦人民所使用的暴力和恐怖的第一次全面和结构化的分析。” 伊兰·帕佩教授

    “这段鲜为人知的历史……从 1917 年的贝尔福宣言到 1922 年至 1948 年的英国委任统治,现在已经在托马斯·苏亚雷斯的这本新书中进行了彻底的研究,主要从英国政府档案中工作。 他继续讲述这个故事,直到 1956 年以色列、英国和法国袭击埃及的战争结束。

    “这本书也 揭示犹太复国主义者愿意对他们的犹太对手使用暴力; 他们坚信所有犹太人都有义务离开家园前往巴勒斯坦; 他们愿意煽动反犹太主义以鼓励这种移民; 以及他们试图阻止流离失所的犹太人前往巴勒斯坦以外的任何地方。

    “这本书是真的,而且很重要。 它 毫无疑问地证明以色列并不是它声称的阿拉伯暴力的永久受害者,而是自始至终都是侵略者 冲突的历史。” 大卫·杰拉德·芬查姆

  417. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Sam Shama

    啊,好的肥皂会产生好的泡沫。

    让我们拉下旧年的(灯)灯罩,期待一个
    祝所有人新年快乐。

  418. Sam Shama 说:
    @geokat62

    1. 定义西方文化并证明它几个世纪以来一直保持不变。

    2. 是的,我爱美国,我认为没有任何令人担忧的事情正在发生。 我碰巧相信奥巴马计划接收的叙利亚难民太多了,唐纳德很可能会扭转这一局面。 我希望聪明和有才华的人移民到这里,那些能够快速吸收的人,至少需要说和写流利的英语 [不是西班牙语或西班牙式英语],纳税并具有对公民美德的深刻理解。 除此之外,我希望古典文学、历史、技术和科学领域的最优秀人才发现这个国家的吸引力。

    3. 因为我一直认为数字很重要,数字不会引起我的任何恐慌。 白人增长低于替代率可能会逆转。 老实说,我看不出有什么值得警惕的。 对“消失的表型!”的高度关注是什么? 我是金发碧眼,但我不认为这有什么特别之处; 在延续这种“表型”方面没有任何理性上重要的东西。 看在上帝的份上,你认为人类完全是他们外表的总和吗?

    4. 你在那里提到的所有希腊人很可能会告诉你类似于第欧根尼可能拥有的东西,尽管我不确定欧几里德和阿里斯托芬。

    5. 你看过《Fawlty Towers》吗? 里面有一个叫曼努埃尔的角色; 当你问我对“法兰克福学派”的看法时,我觉得我应该召唤我内心的曼努埃尔,告诉你“我不知道naathing!” 关于它。 我不是那么喜欢“学校”。 我喜欢阅读我认为在洞察力和散文风格方面非常出色的作家,而不管他们可能与任何“思想流派”相关联。 我目前最喜欢的是 Richard F.Burton、William Shirer、Smil,当然还有 Chesterton。 读完之后,我会沉着冷静,并试图形成任何衍生的想法或结论。 在大多数情况下,我的高标准是不允许的,这解释了我的评论中任何有用的东西都明显缺乏。

    6.我是西方文化的坚定捍卫者; 那不是我不在的时候。

    新年快乐

    • 回复: @geokat62
    , @iffen
  419. Karl 说:
    @Talha

    > 过辣油性咖喱

    印度教徒教会了你你所知道的一切……有点像代数。

    是的,有一本著名的书“al-jbr”,你喜欢滔滔不绝……但它只是别人的东西的汇编。

    牛顿用拉丁文发表了他的著作。 这不是拉丁人想到其中思想的证据......

    • 回复: @Talha
  420. Karl 说:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    > 例如,类似于欧洲对北美的殖民

    朝圣者等人并不认为自己正在返回他们祖先的家园。

    希伯来人这样做。

    在该国任何地方的地下挖掘。 你遇到了 3000 年前的税单和结婚通知书…… 在希伯来语中。

    曾经的种族是某个地方的土著。 我的朋友,希伯来人不是可萨利亚的土著。

    你怎么对科普特和马龙派家园的阿拉伯定居者殖民主义没有胃口? 这些阿拉伯人有什么他妈的特别之处,以至于他们可以从你这里获得免费通行证? 只是时间的流逝吗? 好的,我们将介绍一种情况,其中阿拉伯人需要数百年的时间才能想象他们有足够的人数来重新填充希伯伦。

    • 回复: @Mao Cheng Ji
    , @5371
    , @Art
  421. Karl 说:
    @5371

    > 耶稣崇拜是 Eretz Israel 的土著。 我们都同意这一点] 不,我们不同意。

    那么基督教起源于可萨利亚? 福音书没有报告耶稣进入了真正的圣殿?

    谁安放了西墙的石头?

    希伯来圣经在哪里写的...... 雷克雅未克?

    • 回复: @5371
  422. Karl 说:
    @Art

    > 联合国的整个世界刚刚对你的虚假声明投了 14 票对零票。

    巴基斯坦人没有征得任何人的许可——更不用说前占领殖民国的许可,将俾路支斯坦并入他们的国家。 这一切都发生在二战后。

    我们也不会要求世界允许我们住在我们的中心地带。

    我们可以与任何想要和我们一起生活,甚至是我们中间的人一起生活和出租。

    但是逗号,他们不能取代以色列议会成为君主。

    我不想成为在安曼宫殿被毁时投下第一颗炸弹的人,为“巴勒斯坦”让路…… 但如果这就是它所需要的,那么我们最终将不得不去那里。

    • 回复: @Art
    , @Art
  423. @Karl

    朝圣者等人并不认为自己正在返回他们祖先的家园。

    这是无稽之谈。 旨在激励 10% 竞争白痴的边际宣传项目与事件的实质无关。

    你知道,你最好通过分析有意义的社会经济和地缘政治现象,而忽略这些毛病。 而这,你所关注的是绒毛。

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  424. Talha 说:
    @Karl

    嘿,卡尔,

    你喜欢无人机

    嗯......在我的档案中搜索我关于代数的嗡嗡声 - 找不到它。

    伊玛目比鲁尼 (ra) 写了很多赞美达摩文明和任何不承认穆斯林研究和综合他们早期科学努力的穆斯林,像希腊人甚至中国人这样的人都是傻瓜:
    “随着时间的推移,Al-Biruni 赢得了印度教学者的欢迎。 Al-Biruni 收集书籍并与这些印度教学者一起学习,以精通梵语,发现并将 11 世纪印度所实践的数学、科学、医学、天文学和其他艺术领域翻译成阿拉伯语。 他受到印度学者的启发,他们认为地球一定是椭球体,地球南极有尚未发现的大陆,地球绕太阳自转是完全解释纬度差异的唯一方法,季节和地球与月亮和星星的相对位置。”
    https://selfstudyhistory.com/2015/09/30/al-birunis-india/

    任何声称波斯文明的儿子和继承者对这些科学没有贡献任何原创性的人……嗯,我一直把它们看得太重了。 如果你有校园嘲讽以外的事情,请告诉我——否则,请不要浪费我的时间。

    和平:

  425. Talha 说:
    @Sam Shama

    嘿,山姆,

    就我而言,这不是我理想中想要的,但是你所写的细节比我从以色列的角度看到的任何其他计划都更合理——我怀疑很少有人会同意从内部交换一些土地绿线。 这听起来不像是强制人口转移给我。 我的意思是它甚至可能需要重新安置一些顽固的犹太定居者,但这在加沙具有优先权。

    和平:

  426. Talha 说:
    @Anon

    是的,这就是教科书式的狂热; 暴民暴力或警惕性——以及过度的惩罚措施。 它通常是那些拥有足够知识使他们变得危险但不足以使他们掌权的人的标志。

    感谢伯顿的这些见解,我在这里找到了参考资料:
    https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/b/burton/richard/b97p/chapter21.html

    据我所知,通过阅读,他在评估中犯了一些错误,并且也有一些很棒的见解。 至于他对人民的看法,好吧,可能只是我,但我总是用大量的盐来接受维多利亚时代英语的意见。

    和平:

  427. 5371 说:
    @Karl

    [因此基督教起源于]地中海东部沿岸的讲希腊语的城市社区。
    [希伯来圣经在哪里写的] 美索不达米亚。

  428. 5371 说:
    @Karl

    你发现的任何 3000 年或 2500 年的历史都与 YHWH 没有任何关系,更不用说创造了你的族群的塔木德宗教,就像东方景教创造了现代“亚述人”族群一样”。

  429. Art 说:
    @Karl

    我不想成为在安曼宫殿被毁时投下第一颗炸弹的人,为“巴勒斯坦”让路…… 但如果这就是它所需要的,那么我们最终将不得不去那里。

    你这个犹太人是一群该死的混蛋——现在你要炸毁乔登。

    你的主张是虚假的——它们毫无意义——它们只能通过血来执行。

    如果你需要杀戮才能得到什么——你错了——这就是现代成年人的看法。

    再一次世界 14 - 犹太人零 - 这样吧!

    和平—艺术

  430. Art 说:
    @Karl

    在该国任何地方的地下挖掘。 你遇到了 3000 年前的税单和结婚通知书…… 在希伯来语中。

    那又怎样——也有其他民族的历史层次。

    这是 2017 年——你想像 17 年那样战斗和杀戮——世界不买账!

    我们希望尊重人们及其财产——这是我们的和平目标——我们尊重生者的正当需求。

    只有低等的——只有坏的——想要杀死过去的历史。

    和平—艺术

  431. Art 说:
    @Karl

    我们可以与任何想要和我们一起生活,甚至是我们中间的人一起生活和出租。

    没有任何一个既清醒又诚实的人会相信这一点。

    像这样的声明,就是为什么人们对犹太人没有真正的尊重。

    你们这些人生活在一系列谎言中。 你不能一直对所有人撒谎——它回来咬你。

    和平—艺术

  432. geokat62 说:
    @Sam Shama

    1. 西方文化,是一个广泛使用的术语,指社会规范、道德价值观、传统习俗、信仰体系、政治体系以及与欧洲有某种起源或关联的特定人工制品和技术的遗产。 该术语适用于欧洲国家和历史上以欧洲移民、殖民和影响力为标志的国家,例如美洲大陆和澳大拉西亚大陆,它们目前的人口多数为欧洲种族,并且不限于欧洲大陆。欧洲。

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture

    不确定为什么您认为它需要保持静态?

    2. 是的,我爱美国,我认为没有任何令人担忧的事情正在发生。 3. 因为我一直认为数字很重要,数字不会引起我的任何恐慌。 白人增长低于替代率可能会逆转。 老实说,我看不出有什么值得警惕的。

    知道了。 没有理由惊慌。

    4. 你在那里提到的所有希腊人很可能会告诉你类似于第欧根尼可能拥有的东西,尽管我不确定欧几里德和阿里斯托芬。

    山姆,你从哪里得到这个回应? 我设法找到了对 Quora 问题“古希腊是否存在种族主义?”的回答。 由现代希腊亚里士多德·奥科诺穆(古代历史学家、哲学家等)提供:

    “古希腊人在肤色或种族差异方面并不是种族主义者。 他们不会因为一个人的出身、宗教或文化而歧视和隔离,并且更能接受外国人。 然而,他们中的很多人是“民族主义者”(主要是雅典人),因为他们认为希腊文化是最好的文化。 只有希腊人和其他文化非常相似的人(罗马、马其顿)才被允许参加他们的游戏或宗教节日。”
    https://www.quora.com/Was-there-racism-in-ancient-Greece

    5. 你看过《Fawlty Towers》吗?

    当您在观看英国《金融时报》的老剧集时稍事休息,不妨尝试阅读由威廉 S. 林德 (William S. Lind) 编辑的优秀论文集,名为“政治正确:意识形态简史”
    http://static.ow.ly/docs/Political%20Correctnes%20-%20A%20Short%20History%20of%20an%20Idealogy_9Nd.pdf

    或者你可以快速阅读总结版,威廉林德的,政治正确的起源 http://www.academia.org/the-origins-of-political-correctness/

    然后给我们你对FS的看法?

    6.英式幽默?

    山姆,也祝你新年快乐。

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  433. iffen 说:
    @Sam Shama

    我是西方文化的坚定捍卫者; 那不是我不在的时候。

    我唯一一次感到痛苦
    是在阳光下还是雨中
    我一点也不觉得受到伤害
    除非你数着泪珠落下的时候
    我说实话,除非我撒谎
    只有在我哭的时候才会伤害我
    ——德怀特·尤卡姆

    “说实话永远是最好的策略,当然,除非你是一个非常好的骗子。”
    ——杰罗姆·K·杰罗姆

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  434. Sam Shama 说:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    这是无稽之谈。

    你知道,你最好通过分析有意义的社会经济和地缘政治现象,而忽略这些毛病。 而这,你所关注的是绒毛。

    别人认为的胡说八道 美味 成为源头。 事实上,将对手的观点视为无稽之谈,是辩论论坛中一种常见的情绪。 有些废话比其他废话好。 您在讨论中提供了您的意见,虽然这自然适用于以经济学和政策为基础的含义,因此,恰恰无法从形成它们的历史中解脱出来; 历史不会被任意选择; 其起源的时间点; 因此不健全,你的描述是绒毛,在上下文中的朝圣者的历史。

    到达这些海岸的朝圣者充满了一种命运感,公开宣称是从希伯来人逃离法老的圣经主题中汲取的灵感(见亚伯拉罕卡什, 美国民主的圣经遗产)

    许多开国元勋都是受过训练的希伯来语学者,曾就读于这个国家的精英学校——直到今天,这些学校仍保留着圣经希伯来语的座右铭——并用希伯来语发表了毕业典礼演讲。

    曾经有人考虑用希伯来语写宪法。

    从乔治·华盛顿 (George Washingon) 那里引用先知弥迦 (Micah) 的话,对罗德岛犹太教堂的成员说:

    “愿住在这片土地上的亚伯拉罕子孙继续受惠于其他居民的善意。 那时,每个人都将安全地坐在自己的葡萄树和无花果树下,无人使他害怕。”

    或者在 16 年 1809 月 XNUMX 日给 FA Van Der Kemp 的一封信中引用约翰·亚当斯:

    “……我会坚持认为,希伯来人在人类文明方面做得比任何其他国家都多。 如果我是一个无神论者,盲目相信永恒的命运,我仍然应该相信命运已经注定犹太人成为文明国家最重要的工具。 如果我是另一个教派的无神论者……我应该仍然相信偶然的机会命令犹太人为全人类保存和传播宇宙至高无上、智慧、智慧的全能主权者的教义,我认为这是伟大的基本原则在所有道德中,因此在所有文明中……他们是这个地球上曾经居住过的最光荣的国家。 与犹太人相比,罗马人和他们的帝国只是小玩意儿。 他们为全球四分之三的地区提供了宗教信仰,对人类事务的影响比古代或现代的任何其他国家都更多、更幸福。” 引用自:Allan Gould,他们对犹太人的看法,(新泽西州,1997 年),第 71-72 页。

    所以希伯来文,或者更准确地说是希伯来文的圣经在这个伟大国家的 DNA 中有着很大的影响,而且愿它永远如此。

    那里,有足够的法令让这里的一些人开始核裂变! 🙂

    • 回复: @Mao Cheng Ji
    , @iffen
    , @geokat62
    , @Art
  435. Sam Shama 说:
    @iffen

    说得好。

    新年快乐我的朋友!

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  436. Sam Shama 说:
    @Sam Shama

    顺便说一句,我喜欢听德怀特。

  437. @Sam Shama

    到达这些海岸的朝圣者充满了一种命运感,公开宣称是从希伯来人逃离法老的圣经主题中汲取的灵感

    本篇 is 绒毛,即使是真的,也没有人关心。 然而,我说的是不同的绒毛,“回到他们祖先的故乡” 绒毛。

    就像我说的:激励最愚蠢的 10%(如果有那么多)炮灰的廉价宣传……

  438. iffen 说:
    @Sam Shama

    尽管是 GW,但我必须从 Thompson 博士最近的帖子中提取一些文字并进行更正。

    ……国王詹姆斯版本,这是大多数盎格鲁撒克逊人的真正圣经,其理由完全合理,即耶稣会像任何正派人那样说英语。

    弥迦书 4:4 国王詹姆斯版本

    但他们要各人坐在自己的葡萄树下和无花果树下; 无人使他们害怕。因为这是万军之耶和华的口说的。

  439. geokat62 说:
    @Sam Shama

    许多开国元勋都是受过训练的希伯来语学者,曾就读于这个国家的精英学校——直到今天,这些学校仍然保留他们的圣经希伯来语座右铭——并用希伯来语发表了毕业典礼演讲。

    曾经有人考虑用希伯来语写宪法。

    我以前从未见过有人提出过这个假设,山姆。 关心提供来源?

    我使用关键字“开国元勋是受过训练的希伯来学者”进行了快速搜索,除了以下信息外,没有任何非常相关的信息:

    开国元勋的经典教育

    https://www.memoriapress.com/articles/classical-education-founding-fathers/

    这是一个很长的摘录:

    托马斯·杰斐逊早期接受了苏格兰牧师威廉·道格拉斯牧师的拉丁语、希腊语和法语培训。 十四岁时,杰斐逊的父亲去世了,在父亲的明确愿望下,他继续在经营古典学院的詹姆斯·莫里牧师那里接受教育。 离开道格拉斯学院后,杰斐逊就读于威廉玛丽学院,在那里他继续接受古典教育并学习法律。

    当亚历山大·汉密尔顿于 1773 年进入国王学院(现为哥伦比亚大学)时,他被期望精通希腊语和拉丁语语法,能够阅读西塞罗和维吉尔的《埃涅阿斯纪》中的三篇拉丁语原文,并能翻译第一篇约翰福音从希腊文到拉丁文的十章。

    当詹姆斯麦迪逊申请新泽西学院(现为普林斯顿)时,他被期望能够“写拉丁文散文,翻译维吉尔、西塞罗和希腊福音书,并[具有]相应的拉丁文和希腊文语法知识。 ” 然而,甚至在他进入之前,他就已经阅读了维吉尔、贺拉斯、查士丁尼、尼波斯、凯撒、塔西佗、卢克莱修、欧特罗皮乌斯、斐德罗、希罗多德、修昔底德和柏拉图。

    美国建国时期的其他关键人物也接受过类似的教育,包括卡罗琳的约翰泰勒、约翰泰勒和乔治罗杰斯克拉克,他们都在苏格兰传教士唐纳德罗伯逊的指导下学习经典。

    有趣的是,拉丁语和希腊语的学习,即“古典教育”一词最初的含义,并不是他们在大学里学到的东西,而是他们在到达那里之前就应该知道的东西。

    These men not only had to read classical authors in school, they read them in adult life for pleasure and profit. Hamilton apparently had a penchant for copying Plutarch (the Roman) and Demosthenes (the Greek). John Adams would copy long passages of Sallust, the Roman historian. If you look around on the Internet a little, you can find a manuscript of twelve lines for sale, in the original language, from the Greek historian Herodotus, in Adam’s hand. It will cost you a mere \$6,300.

    创始人认识这些作家并大量引用他们。 特别是他们的信件显示出对古典作家的广泛熟悉。 当时受过教育的人之间的通信通常散布着古典语录,通常是原始的拉丁语或希腊语。 它不仅普遍存在,而且显然有时会让收件人感到恼火。 杰斐逊在给亚当斯(他更喜欢拉丁语而不是希腊语)的信中使用了太多的希腊语引述,以至于亚当斯有一次向他抱怨。

    如您所见,大量引用拉丁语和希腊语,但没有引用希伯来语。

    公平地说,这里单独提到了希伯来语:

    根据哈佛大学的法律,这些早期的学生也被期望能够将旧约和新约从希腊语和希伯来语原文翻译成拉丁语。

    期待看到你的消息来源。

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
    , @Alden
  440. Art 说:
    @Sam Shama

    到达这些海岸的朝圣者充满了一种命运感,公开宣称是从希伯来人逃离法老的圣经主题中汲取的灵感

    什么废话——雅达——雅达——雅达!

    我的天啊——如果没有犹太人,那些愚蠢的朝圣者是不会把水从靴子里洒出来的。

    首先——“希伯来人逃离法老”是一个彻头彻尾的谎言。 它从未发生过。 宇宙的伪犹太人神没有为犹太人分水——他没有杀死埃及人的第一个出生的人。

    犹太人再次分散了我们的注意力,小姐用无关紧要的 yada 引导我们远离今天的血腥 ME 行为。

    我们关心的不是朝圣者或古埃及——我们的问题是今天的犹太人。

    和平—艺术

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  441. Art 说:
    @Sam Shama

    摩西要吃多余的猪肉吗? 他不是一个好犹太人!

    Moshe 和你合影留念——他是犹太洁食者——他昨天不得不把猪肉和豆子分开——他不高兴。

    他也很生气,因为你们美国犹太人阻止了波音与伊朗的交易。 除了对美国展示纯粹的政治权力之外,他无法弄清楚你为什么这样做。 你只是不在乎你伤害了谁——你呢。 这没有军事价值——只有维持对美国文化的原始政治权力。

    你的恐惧、仇恨、厌恶和傲慢有多大?

    和平—艺术

    • 回复: @RobinG
  442. RobinG 说:
    @Art

    新年快乐,艺术!

    非常好的视频在这里-

    印度的世界——叙利亚内战即将结束

    [IE——美国霸权即将结束? 这不是内战。)

    • 回复: @Art
    , @Miro23
  443. Sam Shama 说:
    @geokat62

    我读了PC的精简版。 对马克思主义的归属充其量只是一种脆弱的归属。 不管人们怎么想,马克思都是一位才华横溢、真诚的知识分子。 当然,他对复杂的资本主义制度应该如何运作一无所知,而且他是一个无赖的马克思主义者🙂。

    我所记住的反过足,直到最近的唐纳德选举到最近的唐纳德的选举,也可以快速完成PC,发现它进一步有必要,以马克思主义的厚朴声誉焦虑雪花和同性恋者。 我称之为矫枉过正。 即使作为一种战略装置,它也能用大棒打苍蝇。 我有一个常春藤大学的年轻表弟,他经常在 PC 活动和聚会上四处张嘴,除了对一些刺耳的雪花、水果和各种各样的帮手不屑一顾之外,几乎没有什么影响。 他被[从某种意义上说] 被拖到校长办公室,结果证明这主要是为了外表,并且私下认为,如果不是积极鼓励他的行为,管理人员愿意纵容他。 他一直在吸引追随者。

    所以我感觉到家长和老师们可能在带着某种乐趣而不是警觉地看着这一切。

    我还感觉到 PC 即将淘汰,所有这些试图以某种方式将它链接到某个晦涩的“学校”只是另一种学术自慰练习。 但是,我确实希望 PC 的退出不会将钟摆摆向相反的极端,在这种极端情况下,无端诽谤成为普遍标准。

    日常礼貌有话要说。

    • 回复: @geokat62
  444. Sam Shama 说:
    @geokat62

    我给了你来源。 亚伯拉罕·卡什的书。 查看第 50-73 页,了解希伯来语和圣经对常春藤大学的深刻影响。

    你有没有参观过耶鲁大学、哥伦比亚大学等的校园或看过的印章? 还是华盛顿的国会图书馆? 去那些地方; 尤其是看看四周墙壁和天花板上美丽的壁画般的图像,你就会有一个想法。

    给 RI 犹太教堂的 GW 信和亚当斯的信我相信你可以用谷歌搜索,但 Katsh 的书中对它们进行了深入处理。 也看看艾芬如何用精确的圣经参考来阐述先知米迦的话。

    这是耶鲁大学印章:
    https://www.google.com/search?q=The+Yale+Seal&espv=2&biw=1229&bih=679&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwils7628KHRAhWm64MKHScUDyYQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=aqN7Fh5aNUY7qM%3A

    它写道: 乌里木马 在希伯来语 האורים והתומים 中,在拉丁语之下 力士与真理.

    看看哥伦比亚的印章,上面有 G'd 用希伯来语写的:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Columbia+University+seal&espv=2&biw=1229&bih=679&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi34qqN8qHRAhWL64MKHcREAZUQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=h4XA-1BHO44ttM%3A

    如果您愿意深入研究,国会图书馆将提供大量信息。 我也应该向您推荐华盛顿优秀的卡巴拉中心,它提供的信息比仅仅一篇文章所能消化的要多……..:-)

    • 回复: @geokat62
  445. Sam Shama 说:
    @Art

    [首先——“希伯来人逃离法老”完全是谎言。 ]

    不要痛苦地喊叫艺术,但本杰明·富兰克林、约翰·亚当斯和杰斐逊在 1 年推荐的第一个美国印章的官方设计是犹太人穿越红海的效果图。 印章周围的座右铭是:“抵抗暴君就是顺服上帝。=

    以下链接有杰斐逊的规定印章,但最终没有成功。 它还充分说明了杰斐逊与奴隶制制度的关系。

    http://mentalfloss.com/article/30912/rejected-designs-great-seal-united-states

    FF在撒谎吗?

  446. Art 说:
    @RobinG

    嗨罗宾----祝你新年快乐(:

    这是一个很棒的视频——真实——它说叙利亚不是内战,而是美国沙特等人的侵略战争。

    这是美好的一天——世界正在努力寻找它的后腿并站起来反对发动战争的(犹太复国主义)势力。

    和平—艺术

  447. Miro23 说:
    @RobinG

    好视频。 叙利亚不是内战,而是美国/以色列/沙特控制的“政权更迭”行动。

    唐纳德特朗普的新年决议建议:关闭中央情报局和 1) 省钱 2) 改善美国的外交关系。

  448. @geokat62

    地质学家。 你假设犹太人和以色列与其他人和其他国家一样,按照相同的规则和标准来评判,这是一个根本错误。 他们不是。 这就像观看一场足球比赛,其中一支球队遵守公认的比赛规则,而另一支球队则修改规则以取得胜利。 除了短暂的历史时期,它一直都是这样。

    • 回复: @geokat62
  449. Gabriel M 说:
    @RobinG

    嗯,“英国托管”是在“犹太复国主义疯子”出现之后。 尝试阅读您自己的链接,或思考。 然后您可以阅读有关雅法的历史,这是非常严峻的。

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa#Ottoman_period

    “美国传教士埃伦克莱尔米勒于 1867 年访问雅法,报告说该镇有“大约 5000 人,其中 1000 人是基督徒,800 人是犹太人,其余是穆斯林”。

  450. geokat62 说:
    @Sam Shama

    我给了你来源。 亚伯拉罕·卡什的书。 查看第 50-73 页,了解希伯来语和圣经对常春藤大学的深刻影响

    感谢页面引用,山姆。 我刚刚读完它们,只想跟进我之前强调的两个引文:

    1. 许多开国元勋是受过训练的希伯来语学者,曾就读于这个国家的精英学校——直到今天,他们的座右铭都保留在圣经希伯来语中——并用希伯来语发表了毕业典礼演讲。

    2. 曾经有人考虑用希伯来语写宪法。

    关于你的第一句话,当你写这篇文章时,我期待读到一些关键的开国元勋——即约翰·亚当斯、本杰明·富兰克林、亚历山大·汉密尔顿、约翰·杰伊、托马斯·杰斐逊、詹姆斯·麦迪逊和乔治·华盛顿——是如何受过训练的希伯来学者。

    除非我错过了,这是我能在你的资料来源中找到的最接近的:

    许多独立宣言的签署者,作为殖民学院的毕业生,至少拥有希伯来语的基本知识。 - p。 55

    虽然还没有达到“受过训练的学者”的水平,但作者也没有费心提供任何例子,说明哪些 DI 签名者拥有这种基本的希伯来语知识。

    关于你的第二句话,这是我读到的:

    在美国独立战争期间,殖民地对希伯来语的兴趣和知识非常广泛,以至于“某些国会议员提议在美国正式禁止使用英语,并且希伯来文取而代之。” 不管这个故事是否有任何事实依据,有些人出于爱国热情,渴望用一种他们认为是他们精神语言的语言来取代英国的语言,这似乎是合理的。 但关键是那个时代的人认为这个谣言很可能传播出去。 - p。 70

    一旦提供了完整的背景,就很明显正在考虑以希伯来语编写宪法的提议是多么认真。

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  451. geokat62 说:
    @Carroll Price

    地质学家。 你假设犹太人和以色列与其他人和其他国家一样,按照相同的规则和标准来评判,这是一个基本错误。

    有罪,CP。

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  452. geokat62 说:
    @Sam Shama

    ......所有这些试图以某种方式将它与某个晦涩的“学校”联系起来的尝试只是另一种学术自慰练习。

    那么,让我看看我是否可以正确总结您对我提出的两个关键问题的看法:

    1. 移民趋势——别担心,它们不会对西方社会的构成产生巨大影响

    2. Franfurt School 的影响——别担心,钟摆即将向另一个方向摆动。

    我有这样的权利吗?

    所以山姆的信息是,“别担心,要开心!”

  453. Sam Shama 说:
    @geokat62

    首先,在我发帖之前你知道这些吗? 例如,Art 不知道官方印章的第一个设计是他称之为谎言的出埃及记的渲染,因此 FF 是骗子。

    受过训练的希伯来语学者——当然不是全部,但相当多的人达到了他们可以将长篇圣经段落从拉丁语翻译成希伯来语的水平。 哈佛、耶鲁、新泽西学院(后来的普林斯顿大学詹姆斯麦迪逊分校)、国王学院(后来的哥伦比亚大学)、威廉玛丽学院(受教育的杰斐逊大学)、达特茅斯大学、罗格斯大学不仅是 FF 大学的母校但也是更大的一群极具影响力的政治家。 他们中的大多数人都有希伯来语的工作知识。

    但我们只是触及了表面,在这一点上看到了最明显的东西。 如果一个人真的对这个主题感兴趣,就需要在国会图书馆和卡巴拉中心工作很长时间; 宣言,自由的全部意义(וַיִּקְרָא 或 Leviticus 25:10),许多原始法律以及提出适当和一致的法律的方法将开启一种理解,也许只有少数人清楚地知道和理解。 FF 理解的概念不是为了大众消费,而是为了大众的隐性利益。

    恐怕这就是我目前能说的全部。

    • 回复: @geokat62
    , @Mao Cheng Ji
    , @Art
    , @Alden
  454. geokat62 说:
    @Sam Shama

    首先,在我发帖之前你知道这些吗?

    一点头绪都没有。 非常惊讶,确实如此。

    受过训练的希伯来语学者——当然不是所有的人,但相当多的人是……

    寻找它,但无法在您的来源中找到支持证据。 不是说它不存在,我可能只是在您引用的页面(50-73)中遗漏了它。

    • 回复: @iffen
  455. Sam Shama 说:
    @geokat62

    并不是说它包含很多新内容,因为我很清楚很少有人能够在这里发表公正的意见; 然而,由于你的重要论点是我提议强制转移,我将记录在案,可能与问题最接近的人——因为他是穆斯林,但更重要的是他是一个客观的眼睛——反驳你的立场就此事:

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/welcome-to-greater-israel/#comment-1712849

    • 回复: @geokat62
  456. geokat62 说:
    @Sam Shama

    我会记录下来,可能最接近这个问题的人——因为他是穆斯林,......

    谢谢你提醒我,山姆。 我打算跟进 Talha,看看他是否真的支持你的提议,即把加沙人扔给埃及人,从而将巴勒斯坦人民一分为二。

    • 回复: @iffen
    , @Art
    , @Talha
  457. De Gaulle 说:

    有没有以色列、巴勒斯坦、美国、欧洲和其他人可能同意的十个事实?
    很多关于以色列的讨论都是猜测和猜想。
    现在需要的是就一些事实达成一致并加以规定。
    这可以防止对旧的非事实或观点进行愚蠢的重述。
    请列出你的清单。
    1
    2
    3
    ...

  458. @Sam Shama

    对于它的价值(就我而言,并不多),托马斯杰斐逊认为摩西“向他的人民灌输对其他国家最反社会的精神“。

    http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/presidents/thomas-jefferson/letters-of-thomas-jefferson/jefl261.php

    他是否达到了这一点,以及他对“那个教派”的其他冷漠看法,正如他所说,通过阅读阿拉姆语,我们可能永远不会知道。

    • 回复: @NoseytheDuke
  459. iffen 说:
    @geokat62

    从加沙人到埃及人。

    埃及人可能拿不到加沙的报酬。

  460. Art 说:
    @geokat62

    谢谢你提醒我,山姆。 我打算跟进 Talha,看看他是否真的支持你的提议,即把加沙人扔给埃及人,将巴勒斯坦人民一分为二。

    犹太人不是西方民主人士的积极证据——巴勒斯坦人在这方面没有发言权——犹太人只是会去做。

    和平—艺术

  461. Art 说:
    @Sam Shama

    FF 理解的概念不是为了大众消费,而是为了大众的隐性利益。

    当然——忘记希腊人和两千年的基督教——我们的父亲是秘密的犹太学者。

    《独立宣言》和《宪法》是关于犹太人自由和自由的既定书籍的翻版。 (你知道就像在以色列。)

    你们这些人怎么了,你知道白人不能靠自己做这样的智力活动。

    和平—艺术

  462. @Mao Cheng Ji

    毫无疑问,那将是从米甸的杰特罗领主那里接受十诫或土地律法的同一个摩西,也是同一个摩西,他的童年历史恰好“奇迹般地”几乎与萨尔贡大帝的童年历史相同几千年前的阿卡德。

    必须承认,“伟大的”圣经欺诈非常有效。

  463. Talha 说:
    @geokat62

    嘿,地理,

    我想要那个? 没有。但是已经有大约 2 万巴勒斯坦人生活在约旦。 我想要对他们最好的东西,老实说,我真的对另一个阿拉伯民族国家不感兴趣。 如果他们加入埃及并且从长远来看对他们来说比腐败的巴勒斯坦人管理的国家更好(并不是说埃及一定会更好),那么我认为没有问题。 我们的乌玛过去吸收了大量人口(逃离黎凡特的切尔克斯人,逃离摩尔人进入摩洛哥,逃离阿尔巴尼亚人/波斯尼亚人进入黎凡特/土耳其),我们可以再做一次。

    这真的取决于巴勒斯坦人民——当基本上没有人愿意在这场战斗中真正帮助他们时,要求他们再战斗是不正确的。 我不能指望他们继续这样下去——我不会为他们感到羞耻,我会为我们感到羞耻。

    但从技术角度来看,这并没有迫使他们离开自己的土地,而只是改变了他们主权地位的参数——也许他们可以从开罗那里得到一笔很好的交易,保证他们在经济一体化的同时实现半自治。 拥有庞大的埃及军队确保以色列国防军不会再进行任何远足,这将是一件好事。

    和平:

    • 回复: @geokat62
  464. geokat62 说:
    @Talha

    谢谢你把它记录在案,塔尔哈。

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  465. iffen 说:
    @geokat62

    山姆彻底推翻了您的主题,即我们民族国家的建立并没有归功于并充满了许多在犹太教中发现的原则和思想。

    这个否认论者的论调在 20 世纪滑入(我从山姆那里学到了很多东西),试图否认我们建立在犹太-基督教原则之上的想法。

    当时失败了,现在也失败了。

    我们曾经。

    山姆指给你看文件、印章、头饰和壁画。

    阅读它们并哭泣。

    • 回复: @geokat62
    , @Art
  466. geokat62 说:
    @iffen

    山姆彻底推翻了你的主题,即我们民族国家的建立并非归功于和灌输 具有许多在犹太教中发现的原则和思想.

    仔细为我们列举犹太教中的许多原则和思想,好吗?

    我对这个概念做了一个快速的谷歌搜索,这是我发现的:

    如果将问题细化到开国元勋是否有动机像他们那样行事基于他们的基督教信仰,答案会变得有点模糊,但答案仍然是“没有”。 ——
    Steven K. Green 在俄勒冈州塞勒姆的威拉米特大学教授法律和历史。 他是最近一本书的作者,“发明一个基督教的美国:宗教创立的神话”。

    http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/02/living/america-christian-nation/

    阅读它们并哭泣,确实。

    • 回复: @geokat62
    , @Alden
  467. geokat62 说:
    @geokat62

    这是我的第二部分:

    [更多]

    2. 美国政府的基础

    民主不是一蹴而就的。 在一个人民被自上而下的君主统治的世界里,自治的想法是完全陌生的。 民主从经验中汲取实践和智慧。

    美洲殖民地在其最早的发展阶段就开始发展民主传统。 150 多年后,殖民者相信他们的经历足以拒绝承认英国国王。 第一个十年是艰难的。 美国革命和随之而来的国内不稳定促使人们呼吁建立一种新型政府,其宪法保障自由。 在独立的美利坚共和国初期起草的宪法比人类历史上的任何宪法都存在的时间更长。

    这种民主传统真正从哪里开始? 导致美国民主共和国发展的思想和实践归功于希腊和罗马的古代文明、新教改革和古腾堡的印刷术。 但 17 世纪欧洲的启蒙运动对美国宪法的制定者产生了最直接的影响。

    哲学

    17 世纪的欧洲人不再生活在中世纪的“黑暗”中。 远洋航行使他们接触到许多世界文明,贸易创造了繁荣的中产阶级。 新教改革鼓励自由思想家质疑天主教会的做法,而印刷机则相对较快且容易地传播新思想。 哲学家的时机已经成熟, 通过讨论个人自由和平等促进民主和正义的学者。

    最早的哲学家之一是英国人托马斯·霍布斯(Thomas Hobbes),他在他的著名著作《利维坦》(Leviathan)中得出结论,人们无法自我统治,主要是因为人类天生以自我为中心和好斗,需要强大领导者的铁腕。 后来的哲学家,如伏尔泰、孟德斯鸠和卢梭,对民主更为乐观。 他们的想法鼓励了对绝对君主的质疑,比如统治法国的波旁家族。 孟德斯鸠建议将权力分成政府部门,这与美国人后来采用的制度不同。 他们找到了后来成为美国政府创始人的热心学生。

    约翰·洛克

    塑造美国建国的最重要的影响来自 17 世纪的英国人约翰·洛克,他重新定义了政府的性质。 尽管他同意霍布斯关于人类自私自利的本性,但他对人类运用理性避免暴政的能力更为乐观。 在他的第二篇政府论中,洛克确定了合法政府的基础。 洛克认为,统治者通过被统治者的同意获得权威。 该政府的职责是保护人民的自然权利,洛克认为这些权利包括生命、自由和财产。 如果政府不能保护这些权利,其公民将有权推翻该政府。 这个想法深深地影响了托马斯·杰斐逊起草《独立宣言》的过程。

    重要英文文件

    具有讽刺意味的是,英国的政治制度为其自己的美洲殖民地的起义提供了干粮。 许多世纪以来,英国君主都允许对其最终权力施加限制。 写于 1215 年的《大宪章》确立了有限政府的核心,即君主统治并非绝对的信念。 虽然这份文件只是迫使约翰国王在做出征税等武断决定之前征求贵族的意见,但《大宪章》为后来的议会发展提供了基础。 多年来,由首相领导的代议制政府开始控制并最终取代国王成为英国真正的权力来源。

    权利请愿书(1628 年)扩大了“平民”在政府中的发言权。 英国权利法案(1688 年)保障被控犯罪的公民的自由选举和权利。 尽管乔治三世国王在 1776 年仍然拥有一些实权,但那时英国已经走上了民主之路。

    美国政府的基础完全在于 17 和 18 世纪的欧洲启蒙运动. 美国的开国元勋们精通哲学家的著作,他们的思想影响了这个新国家的形成。 托马斯杰斐逊、乔治华盛顿、詹姆斯麦迪逊和其他人采取了勇敢的步骤 创建一个基于自由、平等和新形式正义的启蒙价值观的政府。 200多年后,那个政府仍然完好无损。

    http://www.ushistory.org/gov/2.asp

    这很有趣,在这篇文章中的任何地方都没有出现这个新奇的术语“犹太-基督教”。

    • 回复: @iffen
  468. iffen 说:
    @geokat62

    继续挥舞geo,它会减慢你沉入现实的清新水域的速度。

    • 回复: @geokat62
  469. Art 说:
    @iffen

    那些是罗斯柴尔德的符号——你不知道吗——这完全是关于犹太人的钱——它是关于万恶之源的。

    耶稣使犹太人变得重要——新约将旧约带到了世界。 不幸的是,OT 是包袱。 新约中的新社会理想主义取代了旧约中报复性的邪恶。

    犹太人带来的是旧世界的零和贪婪、不诚实和部落主义。 看看以色列——看看它的领袖——地球上没有比这更不诚实的人了。 以色列给我和世界带来了无尽的不和和动荡。

    罗斯柴尔德家族犯下了一场又一场战争——在一个又一个无能的统治者身上欠下无能的统治者的债务。 他们将战争资金借给双方的统治者——他们的人民流血了,然后不得不还债。 纯粹的贪婪和邪恶。

    今天由犹太人控制的中央银行系统正在做同样的事情——他们让公民陷入无休止的债务循环——撇清奶油——从文化中吸取生命。

    你们小犹太人为你们的大犹太人邪恶感到骄傲——真是个傻瓜。

    和平—艺术

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  470. geokat62 说:
    @iffen

    它会减缓你沉浸在现实的清新水域中的速度。

    你一定是指那些现实中的犹太-基督教水域,对吧?

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
    , @iffen
  471. Sam Shama 说:
    @Art

    问题和观察:

    1. 开国元勋是否对出埃及记撒谎? 如果他们是,让我们看看你的证据,而不是那些令人厌烦的长篇大论和假装愚蠢的断言

    2. [那些是罗斯柴尔德符号]:真的吗? 你听起来多么愚蠢。 例如 呱呱呱呱 在哥伦比亚海豹上发现的是 得了. 耶鲁符号: האורים והתומים, Urim Ve Thummim 的意思是 光明与真理. 那么你的观点又是什么呢?

    3.[耶稣让犹太人变得重要]:可能,如果是这样,你不应该听从他的暗示吗?

    4. [犹太人带来的是旧世界零和贪婪、不诚实和部落主义]:贪婪是人类的一种特征,新的或旧的,犹太人并不是唯一受其折磨的人。 E,g,你吃了摩西传过来的多余的猪肉吗?

    5. [罗斯柴尔德家族犯下了一场又一场战争——一个又一个无能的统治者向无能的统治者讨债。 ] 你明白信用的意思吗? 如果是这样,请告诉我如果没有信用卡,您将如何生活。 现在,如果你参与我对[美联储,美联储......]非常熟悉的熨平板,我会知道你一无所知。

    6. [今天犹太人控制的中央银行系统正在做同样的事情——他们让公民陷入无休止的债务循环——撇脂——从文化中吸取生命。]

    哦,我说得太早了。 你无知。 您认为与美国有关的文化是什么?

    • 回复: @Art
    , @NoseytheDuke
  472. Sam Shama 说:
    @geokat62

    如果您狭隘地搜索“犹太-基督教”这个词,您可能找不到它(参见 Gavriel Sivan, 圣经与文明).

    事实上,即使亚当斯对犹太人如此热情地谈论和写作,也发现他们作为个人来处理有些令人恼火。 他曾希望他们成为一神论基督徒。 然而,他坚信有书的人是美国的一个关键人群。同样,杰斐逊希望犹太人在古典启蒙方面接受更好的培训。

    谈古典启蒙:

    我们认为这些真理是不言而喻的:人人生而平等,造物者赋予他们某些不可剥夺的权利,其中包括生命权、自由权和追求幸福的权利。设立的区域办事处外,我们在美国也开设了办事处,以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“

    您认为 G'D 对这些权利的信念来自哪里?

  473. iffen 说:
    @geokat62

    维基是你的朋友。 学习使用它。

    从Wiki:

    开国元勋的信仰 是威廉玛丽学院的美国宗教历史学家大卫·L·福尔摩斯所著的一本书。[1] 福尔摩斯通过分析美国建国者的公开声明和信件、同时代人留下的评论以及认识他们的神职人员的意见(如果有)来探讨美国建国者的宗教主题。
    该书第 134 页的主要论点是,美国开国元勋分为三个宗教类别:
    1.最小的群体,离开他们的创始人 犹太-基督教遗产 并成为启蒙运动的自然和理性宗教“自然神论”的倡导者。 这些人物包括托马斯·潘恩和伊桑·艾伦。

    2.留下的创始人 实践基督徒. 他们保留了超自然主义的世界观,相信耶稣基督的神性,并坚持他们教派的教义。 这些创始人包括帕特里克·亨利、约翰·杰伊和塞缪尔·亚当斯。 福尔摩斯还发现,创始人的大部分妻子和女儿都属于这一类。

    3.最大的群体由保留的创始人组成 基督徒的忠诚 和实践,但受到自然神论的影响。 他们不相信或不相信与生俱来的奇迹和超自然主义 在犹太-基督教传统中. 福尔摩斯在创始人中发现了一系列这样的自然神论基督徒,从保守右翼的约翰亚当斯和乔治华盛顿到持怀疑态度的左翼的本杰明富兰克林和詹姆斯门罗。

    这本广受好评的 [1] [可疑 - 讨论] 书是第一个 [需要引用] 质疑世俗历史学家关于创始人都是一神论者或自然神论者的断言以及福音派牧师的断言之一,即他们是正统的,有时是重生的打算建立一个基督教国家的基督徒。 福尔摩斯试图证明 他提到的所有三个团体都出现在建国的每一步。

    基督徒是追随或坚持基督教的人,基督教是一种基于耶稣基督的生平和教义的亚伯拉罕一神论宗教。 “基督徒”源自希腊语共同词 Christós (Χριστός),是圣经希伯来语 mashiach 的翻译。 [4]

    圣经(来自通用希腊语 τὰ βιβλία,tà biblía,“书籍”[1])是犹太人和基督徒认为是上帝启示的产物和上帝与人类关系记录的神圣文本或经文的集合.

    许多不同的作者为圣经做出了贡献。 被视为规范文本的内容因传统和群体而异; 许多圣经正典已经演变,内容重叠和分歧。 [2] 基督教旧约与希伯来圣经重叠 和希腊七十士译本; 希伯来圣经在犹太教中被称为Tanakh。 新约是早期基督徒的作品集,据信主要是基督的犹太门徒,用一世纪的通用希腊语写成。 这些早期的希腊基督教著作包括叙事、信件和启示录著作。

    第 1 组,正式离开犹太-基督教传统的 FF。 他们中的大多数人把婴儿扔掉,但保留了犹太教-基督教的洗澡水。

    第 2 组,不言自明,全心全意的犹太教基督徒。

    第 3 组,FFs 保留了他们的犹太-基督教遗产,但丢弃了一些奇迹和超自然主义。

    • 回复: @geokat62
  474. Sam Shama 说:
    @geokat62

    我无法改进 Talha 在帖子 #481 中所写的内容; 最重要的想法是迫切需要一个稳定的解决方案; 如果人为地将加沙与巴勒斯坦权力机构联系起来,那么基本测试就会失败。 这样做只会迎合巴勒斯坦权力机构/哈马斯的愿望,他们只想要国际援助流入他们的口袋。 让埃及占领加沙需要以色列的资金和某些让步……

    • 回复: @Art
  475. Art 说:
    @Sam Shama

    我们的祖先没有从达尔文那里受益——他在智力上消除了所有关于犹太人神的废话。 不存在的犹太神是犹太教提出的基础谎言。 所有其他的谎言都由此而来。

    可能使用了犹太人的符号——但这是因为它们与耶稣的联系。 不是因为它本身具有任何内在价值。 它们今天仍然毫无价值。

    你们犹太人除了如何误导人们之外,没有任何有价值的秘密。

    在这一点上你是最好的。

    和平—艺术

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  476. geokat62 说:
    @iffen

    维基是你的朋友。 学习使用它。

    它可能不是 Wiki,但它仍然足够好:

    犹太教基督教传统的神话

    “早在 1992 年,《新闻周刊》杂志和以色列耶路撒冷邮报就同时发表了大量文章,详细审视了神圣不可侵犯的犹太教-基督教蜜月的根源!......

    对于美国宗教学者来说,“新闻周刊”指出,“单一犹太-基督教传统的想法是美国制造的神话,他们中的许多人不再认为是有效的。” 它引用了著名的塔木德学者雅各布·诺伊斯纳 (Jacob Neusner) 的话:“从神学和历史上看,没有犹太-基督教传统这样的东西。 这是一个世俗的神话,被那些自己并不是真正信徒的人所青睐。”

    https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/judeochr.htm

    • 回复: @geokat62
    , @iffen
  477. Art 说:
    @Sam Shama

    我无法改进 Talha 在帖子 #481 中所写的内容; 最重要的想法是迫切需要一个稳定的解决方案; 如果加沙被人为地与巴勒斯坦权力机构联系在一起,那么基本测试就会失败。

    小犹太人——你是谁来决定一百万多人的命运? 显然你不是西方民主人士。 你住在地球的另一边。 看来你真的是一个纯粹的部落犹太人——而不是美国人。

    这样做只会迎合巴勒斯坦权力机构/哈马斯的愿望,他们只想要国际援助流入他们的口袋。

    小犹太人——你的意思是钱流入犹太人的口袋是好的——巴勒斯坦人的口袋是坏的。 我看到你很重视——有钱人的钱——但不是穷人的钱。

    我们可以清楚地看到为什么基督教是优越的。

    让埃及占领加沙需要以色列的资金和某些让步……

    哦不——犹太人的让步——永远不要——消灭这个想法——扼杀那个想法。

    和平—艺术

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  478. geokat62 说:
    @geokat62

    以下是来自非维基来源的更多好东西:

    课程回顾:“犹太-基督教”从何而来?

    只需在其极其简单的搜索工具中输入“Judeo-Christian”,毫无疑问,澳大利亚的年轻人就会对澳大利亚人基于对犹太-基督教传统的共同承诺建立现代民主国家的激动人心的描述感到高兴,或者勇敢地为捍卫犹太-基督教而奋斗加里波利战场上的价值观。

    唯一的问题是他们不会。 该术语直到 1974 年才出现。在整个 1970 年代、80 年代和 90 年代,它仅用于少数上下文中,其含义没有任何明显的一致性。 事实上,搜索生成的 855 个结果中的绝大多数是从 2001 年末开始的。 直到 11 月 XNUMX 日,澳大利亚人似乎都没有给出关于犹太教-基督教价值观的无花果。

    事实上,犹太-基督教传统的概念是从美国公共话语中借来的。 但即使在美国,这仍然是一个相对较新的想法。 根据美国研究人员的说法,这个词只是在第二次世界大战期间和之后才开始定期出现,当时进步人士寻求一个包容性的术语,使犹太人融入美国主流社会。

    http://theconversation.com/curriculum-review-where-did-judeo-christian-come-from-21969

    • 回复: @anonymous
  479. Sam Shama 说:
    @Art

    [可能使用了犹太人的符号——但这是因为它们与耶稣的联系。]

    我明白了:当红海分开时,耶稣和摩西一起旅行?

    因此,除了称开国元勋为骗子之外,您现在还参与撰写有关耶稣出生、生与死的新记述。

    我会说你需要减少猪肉和豆类的摄入量; 你肚子里的火是气。

    • 回复: @RobinG
  480. iffen 说:
    @geokat62

    好吧,我想这结束了这场辩论。

    你找到了一个支持你立场的犹太人。

    等待! 我会见你的犹太人并为你抚养几个犹太人。

    尽管他很有影响力,但诺伊斯纳在他的研究领域受到了学者的批评。 [5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15]

    一些人批评他的方法论,并断言他的许多论点是循环的或试图从缺乏证据来证明“否定假设”,[5][6][8][10][11] 而另一些人则集中在诺伊斯纳的阅读和解释拉比文本,发现他的叙述是被迫的和不准确的。 [9] [14] [15]

    诺伊斯纳认为第二英联邦法利赛人是一个以“餐桌团契”和仪式食品纯度实践为中心的宗派团体,并且他对更广泛的犹太价值观或社会问题缺乏兴趣,这受到了 EP Sanders 的批评,[11] Solomon Zeitlin[12] ] 和海姆·麦科比。 [8]

    一些学者质疑诺伊斯纳对拉比希伯来语和亚拉姆语的掌握。 最著名和最尖锐的批评来自诺伊斯纳的前老师索尔·利伯曼,关于诺伊斯纳对耶路撒冷塔木德的翻译。 利伯曼写道:“……人们开始怀疑译者 [Neusner] 的可信度。 事实上,在粗略地阅读翻译之后, 读者对 [Neusner] 对拉比希伯来语、亚拉姆语语法,尤其是他所处理的所有主题的无知感到震惊。” 他在评论结束时说:“我问心无愧地总结:[诺伊斯纳]英文翻译的正确位置是垃圾桶。”[16]

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
    , @geokat62
  481. anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @geokat62

    没有必要用谷歌搜索自己为迂腐而疯狂。

  482. Sam Shama 说:
    @Art

    【小犹太人——你是谁来决定一百万人的命运? 显然你不是西方民主人士。 你住在地球的另一边。 看来你真的是一个纯粹的部落犹太人——而不是美国人。]

    小白痴,我就是我。 很明显,你的精神状态不太好。 你住在庇护所。 看来你是一个纯粹的 takfiri- 不是美国人。

    [小犹太人——你的意思是钱流入犹太人的口袋是好的——巴勒斯坦人的口袋是坏的。 我看到你很重视——有钱人的钱——但不是穷人的钱。

    我们可以清楚地看到为什么基督教是优越的。 ]

    小白痴——我绝对是在下令限制你的口粮,只包括狗饼干和一杯柠檬水。 它会停止你的汽油并为我省钱。

  483. Sam Shama 说:
    @iffen

    [等待! 我会见你的犹太人,并为你抚养几个犹太人。]

    哈哈。 犹太人的审判?

  484. geokat62 说:
    @iffen

    等待! 我会见你的犹太人并为你抚养几个犹太人。

    我认为这两个来源应该差不多。

    1. 亲爱的 Ted Cruz,停止使用“犹太-基督教价值观”来利用我的信仰

    拉比所罗门·格伦瓦尔德(Salomon Gruenwald)

    当你使用“犹太-基督教”这个词时,你给你特定的基督教意识形态品牌贴上了普世主义的外衣,这是不值得的。 暗示您的想法是“犹太-基督教传统”的一部分是误导性的。 “犹太-基督教”一词最初是由自由派基督徒和犹太人在 1930 年代创造的,他们试图鼓励这两种信仰之间的普世关系,以打击当时日益增长的种族主义、仇外心理和本土主义. 但在 1950 年代,这个词被政治保守派采用,他们使用“犹太-基督教价值观”这个词作为打击被他们指责为“无神论的共产主义者”的美国同胞的棍棒。 自 1970 年代以来,基督教右翼将呼吁回归所谓的“犹太-基督教价值观”作为其基础的代号语言,用于特定品牌的保守政策,但绝不是包容性的。

    http://forward.com/opinion/334403/dear-ted-cruz-quit-using-judeo-christian-values-to-exploit-my-faith/

    2. 没有犹太-基督教价值观这样的东西
    约里·亚诺威

    但是,即使我们原谅克林霍夫对犹太历史的不完美认识,认为普遍接受的基督教原则这种假设显然是错误的,就像美国宪法以它们为基础的观念一样。

    克林霍夫一定很熟悉历史学家布鲁克·艾伦的畅销书《道德少数派》(Ivan R. Dee,2007 年),其中她指出六位最重要的创始人——富兰克林、华盛顿、亚当斯、杰斐逊、麦迪逊和汉密尔顿——都是启蒙运动风格的自然神论者,他拒绝将宗教作为政治生活的基础。

    他们重视政教分离。 他们在美国宪法中有一段专门避免将宗教作为政治生活的基础。 他们谈论上帝是“神圣作者”(华盛顿)或“高级代理人”(杰斐逊)。 开国元勋不是无神论者——18 世纪没有人是无神论者。 (除了托马斯·潘恩,没有其他人。)但要暗示像乔治·华盛顿这样的人会参考圣经将“实际后果”应用到政治生活中 等于说谎——我们的可靠传统认为,我们的第一任总统无能为力……

    克林霍夫从头到尾想出了普世基督教原则的概念,现在转向美国想象的另一个产物:“犹太-基督教价值观”。

    …假装与“神权政治”作斗争,世俗主义者实际上是在尝试彻底改变美国生活,试图让自该国成立以来一直支持美国的真正的犹太-基督教传统沉默。

    Klinghoffer 应该阅读 Arthur Allen Cohen 的 The Myth of the Judeo-Christian Tradition(Harper & Row,1969 年),该书在神学和历史上质疑这个词的适当性,暗示它是美国政治的发明。

    科恩认为根本就没有犹太-基督教传统这样的东西。 他指出,在过去的 XNUMX 年里,这两种宗教有着不同的神学议程。

    或者,如果 Klinghoffer 更喜欢外邦人的意见:

    “犹太-基督教”这个标签倾向于假设,以牺牲犹太教为代价,基督徒和犹太人相信本质上相同的东西。 除了掩盖非常真实和重要的神学和礼仪差异之外,它还倾向于将犹太传统包含在以基督教思想和实践为主的保护伞中。 (宗教与工作场所:多元主义、灵性、领导力,Douglas A. Hicks 着;剑桥大学出版社,2003 年)

    让我们明确一点:远非“分享”一个传统,东正教犹太人被禁止与基督徒结婚,禁止踏入基督教教堂——我们甚至不能喝一个基督徒用过的开瓶犹太洁食酒。 我们拒绝基督教的救恩观念,我们憎恶基督教关于每个主题的神圣教义,我们对基督教传教士不断试图将我们带入他们的圈子的尝试感到反感和愤怒。

    尤其令人不安的是,克林霍夫 (Klinghoffer) 发表的声明揭示了他对新约保罗意识形态元素的完整假设,例如,妻子必须服从丈夫权威的要求。 没有明确规定女人应该如何对待丈夫——犹太人希望幸福的夫妻自己解决。 此外,虽然离婚可能是一场悲剧,上帝会哭泣,但绝不是被禁止的——在犹太教中,就是这样。 基督教的故事和克林霍夫的“犹太-基督教圣经美国”是不同的。

    顺便说一句,我们与穆斯林的共同点多于与基督徒的共同点。 犹太法律允许犹太人进入清真寺……但不允许进入教堂。

    坚持认为我们与宗教基督徒有某种联系,因为核心价值观相似, 是传播一个可怕的谎言. 将观点建立在他们所谓的旧约之上的基督徒,并不将摩西律法视为永久的法律文本。 教会废除了托拉法,作为其废除犹太民族观念的尝试的一部分。

    波林反犹太教似乎不是通过左手作为他的基督论的暗示; 相反,他对法律的教导似乎是右手的长矛,直指犹太教的核心,即托拉……[保罗]并不反对个别犹太人,而是反对犹太教本身,说基督教已经取代了它。 保罗这样攻击律法,似乎不是攻击滥用和个人的失败,而是攻击以色列的本质。 (保罗和托拉,劳埃德加斯顿着;不列颠哥伦比亚大学出版社,1987 年。)

    犹太人和基督徒在每一个基本原则上都有不同——甚至在核心圣经文本的含义上。 更重要的是,基督徒依靠旧约进行法律界定; 而犹太人完全依赖我们的拉比传统。 我们从不向我们的圣经寻求法律指导,只向我们的拉比文献求助。 暗示我们的贤者与杰瑞·法威尔、吉米·卡特或帕特·罗伯逊等人有任何共同之处 是对2500年奖学金的一记耳光。

    Judeo-Christian” 是一个与快乐无趣或高矮矮人一样有效的概念。 克林霍夫对这种令人反感的“理想”的渴望是一种异常现象,在古代或现代的传统犹太思想中没有一丝共性.

    我非常尊重活跃在不同信仰领域的宗教领袖,他们寻求在政治和社会问题上与基督徒沟通和合作。 但我对克林霍夫试图在基督教与其无可指责的受害者之间建立意识形态伙伴关系感到不满。

    大卫·克林霍夫试图通过攻击“无神论左派”来激怒他的读者。 在这个过程中,他设法摆脱了他声称为基地的拉比犹太教。 这本书将试图纠正他的错误,这些错误很多,不是试图说服读者上帝的投票是支持自由左翼而不是保守右翼,而是要维护我们拉比多意见的传统。 这在实践中意味着你不能在拥挤的市政厅会议上喊“上帝是这么说的”。

    http://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/yoris-news-clips/theres-no-such-thing-as-judeo-christian-values/2013/12/26/

    • 回复: @iffen
  485. iffen 说:
    @geokat62

    句号,我们已经达成一致。

    这值得重复,因为它是准确的。

    “犹太-基督教”一词最初是由自由派基督徒和犹太人在 1930 年代创造的,他们试图鼓励这两种信仰之间的普世关系,以打击当时日益增长的种族主义、仇外心理和本土主义。 但在 1950 年代,这个词被政治保守派采用,他们使用“犹太-基督教价值观”作为打击被他们指责为“无神论的共产主义者”的美国同胞的棍棒。 自 1970 年代以来,基督教右翼一直将呼吁回归所谓的“犹太-基督教价值观”,作为其基础的代码语言,用于特定品牌的保守政策,但绝不是包容性的。

    在 1930 年代,仇恨犹太人的势力大行其道。 虔诚的基督徒和犹太人开始在反对犹太人仇恨者的斗争中使用这个词。

    这个词被福音派在与各种敌人的斗争中复兴。

    这是一个分裂的政治术语。

    很简单,两个方面,选择。

    • 回复: @geokat62
  486. geokat62 说:
    @iffen

    这是一个分裂的政治术语。

    很简单,两个方面,选择。

    它已被证明无效,因此不应用作西方文化传统的替代品。

    因此,我选择使用历史上有效的术语“西方”而不是历史上无效的术语“犹太-基督教”。

  487. @Sam Shama

    看看这个,我的中国,你可能会明白犹太人也可以以与非犹太人类似的方式玩耍,只是在周期的不同点。 它在更大的范围内分而治之。

    神秘的议程

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQOfN63qpXs

    即使在以色列明显错误的情况下捍卫它,也根本不支持真正的犹太教,对大多数犹太人也没有任何帮助。 在所有所谓的宗教中,有些人只是为了利用它而去服务于非但他们自己的改善。

  488. RobinG 说:
    @Sam Shama

    你声称阿特称开国元勋是骗子,但请告诉我们在哪里! 他只是说红海从未因摩西而分开,我认为,FF 是那个神话的信徒——顺便说一句,这是所有 3 种亚伯拉罕宗教的神话。 但假设他们不相信。 然后他们说这对他们相信的选民的影响,所以只是政治说。 这就是为什么我对所有这些 FF 的东西(赞美犹太人,引用圣经)持保留态度。 他们从事影响力的业务,就像我们今天的警察一样。

    说到 No Exodus 等,我希望您阅读我们著名的不可知论者 Joe Webb 在 Petras 的“The Coup against Trump...”中的帖子,对不起,我不记得哪条评论,imo,最出色,但贯穿始终。

    谁真的在撒谎? 约翰·布伦南,今晚在 PBS Newshour 上,他对“俄罗斯黑客”撒谎,但他假装美国一直没有“卷入”叙利亚。 [从之前开始。 🙁 ]

    • 回复: @RobinG
    , @Sam Shama
  489. RobinG 说:
    @RobinG

    抱歉,漏掉了一个想法:我认为艺术在批评你的上帝方面不会走得太远。 很多人都倾向于相信至高无上的存在。 (即使是那些拥有多神万神殿的人也有一个大神。)所以它是否是“真正的”上帝是无关紧要的。 当然,也有人出于政治原因利用这种大众倾向。 这就是让我想到不可知论者乔的原因。

    • 回复: @Art
  490. Sam Shama 说:
    @RobinG

    哈哈哈哈。

    罗宾,你真的应该节省体力; 艺术是你的小宠物吗? 既然你坚持,我就答应:

    1.杰斐逊(亚当斯和麦迪逊)为美国印章的第一个设计提出了出埃及记

    2. 小白痴声称“逃离法老的希伯来人是彻头彻尾的谎言”

    3. 你,罗宾,声称他们这样做是出于政治目的。 [我不能同意更多; 但这对论证来说并不重要]。 你没有任何理由,没有以那个时代同时代人提出的指控的形式,使你的指控完全是个人猜测的产物。

    (1) 和 (2) 一起至少需要一个强传递结论,即小白痴暗示 FF 正在传播谎言。

    为了使他的问题更加复杂,他说:只要与耶稣有关,就使用了犹太人的象征,耶稣使犹太人获得了地位,希伯来语中表示光明与真理、耶洛因等的词是罗斯柴尔德的象征,大屠杀是谎言——我提到的最后一个只是因为它似乎是一个强制性的成年仪式——使用 GabrielM 的有用术语——Gaylordstormfags,我不想涉足那个污水池进行任何“辩论”。

    其中一个断言使我更加相信他,因为他发现了拿撒勒的耶稣与摩西同时代的独特发现。 我没有过分惩罚性地要求他扩展罗斯柴尔德符号; 那太残忍了; 狗饼干和柠檬水作为口粮,我认为这是一个公正的句子。

    他继续喋喋不休地谈论 FF 没有从达尔文那里受益,查尔斯 D. 显然是一个完全来自内在(神圣?)灵感的自学者。 但他不是。 罗素在谈到这个问题时曾说:“进化的一般思想非常古老; 它已经在阿那克西曼德 [公元前六世纪] 中被发现。 . . . 笛卡尔 [1596-1650]、康德 [1724-1804] 和拉普拉斯 [1749-1827] 都主张太阳系是逐渐起源的,而不是突然的创造。”

    因此,如你所愿,顽固地捍卫你的共同立场[让我想起最近的另一次讨论,其中对希腊主义的修正主义扭曲,也许延伸到斯多葛主义,在新发现的耀眼光芒中呈现,这让我闭上了眼睛疼痛]

    • 回复: @iffen
  491. geokat62 说:

    [让我想起最近的另一次讨论,其中对希腊主义的修正主义扭曲,也许延伸到斯多葛主义,在新发现的耀眼光芒中呈现,这让我痛苦地闭上了眼睛]

    你一定很无聊,山姆。 我已经解决了你关于希腊主义和新发现的修正主义扭曲的指控。 你一直试图把古希腊人描绘成法兰克福学派的先驱。 祝你好运。

    我将通过引用对 Quora 问题“古希腊是否存在种族主义?”的回答来不断提醒您谁被允许参加他们的奥运会。 由现代希腊亚里士多德·奥科诺穆(古代历史学家、哲学家等)提供:

    “古希腊人在肤色或种族差异方面并不是种族主义者。 他们不会因为一个人的出身、宗教或文化而歧视和隔离,并且更能接受外国人。 然而,他们中的很多人都是“民族主义者”(主要是雅典人),因为他们认为希腊文化是最好的文化。 只有希腊人被允许与其他文化非常相似的人(罗马、马其顿)一起参加他们的游戏或宗教节日。”
    https://www.quora.com/Was-there-racism-in-ancient-Greece

    • 回复: @Talha
  492. iffen 说:
    @Sam Shama

    小白痴声称

    有大笨蛋和小笨蛋一起去吗?

    • 回复: @Sam Shama
  493. Art 说:
    @RobinG

    很多人都倾向于相信至高无上的存在。 因此,它是否是“真正的”上帝是无关紧要的。

    感谢罗宾提供这个机会来解决“犹太神的事情”。 人们所持有的上帝形象、宗教或哲学与他们的生活和邻居的生活息息相关。 我相信所有的神灵、宗教和哲学,以及它们所产生的文化都不是平等的。 不同的宗教文化产生不同的结果。 有些比其他的好。

    我尊重那些相信上帝的人-我是其中之一。

    话虽如此,上帝是一个想法,上帝是我们心灵中的一个形象。 如果存在真正的宇宙之神,没有任何一种方式可以证明。 这是信仰或信仰的问题。

    犹太人所持有的神的形象是荒谬的,是可笑的——认为他们的“全宇宙之神”比全人类更偏爱他们的想法是嘲笑。 就这样吧——如果他们想认为这种荒谬——那就是他们的问题。

    问题是他们希望我们也相信它。 他们要我们同意他们对宇宙之神的白痴看法。 如果我们不这样做,他们实际上会谴责我们。 他们希望我们允许他们窃取巴勒斯坦,因为他们的上帝制裁了它。 他们希望我们忽略他们对 ME 的破坏。 他们的上帝不是一个善良、公正的人——是吗?

    我们心目中的基督教神的形象是不同的——耶稣带来了一个新的上帝形象,他给了我们一个充满希望、公正和宽恕的新心态。 这种新的心态对人类产生了积极的影响。

    犹太人的上帝形象显然不如基督教的上帝形象。

    为了所有人的进步–我们基督徒必须坚持我们的高级观点。

    和平—艺术

  494. Sam Shama 说:

    Citium 的芝诺(公元前 334 – 262 年)和他所启发的斯多葛学派,马其顿的亚历山大,埃拉托色尼会不同意的。

    是的,我很无聊; 坏性格缺陷。

  495. Talha 说:
    @geokat62

    希腊至上主义者!!! 你可以在一英里外发现他们——他们是穿着长袍四处走动的人。

    只有希腊人被允许与其他文化非常相似的人(罗马、马其顿)一起参加他们的游戏或宗教节日。

    他们不会让可怜的鲁道夫参加任何驯鹿游戏……

    和平:

    只是玩得开心 Geo,忍不住了。

  496. Alden 说:
    @Carroll Price

    由于千万富翁塞缪尔·恩特迈耶的勒索,威尔逊让我们进入了第一次世界大战。 威尔逊是一个好色之徒,与普林斯顿大学教授的妻子有长期婚外情。
    到他担任总统时,他们的儿子已经成年,需要资金来开展业务。

    Untermeyer 会见了威尔逊,并告诉威尔逊,要么威尔逊对德国宣战,要么将揭露长期通奸的肮脏故事。

    威尔逊宣战后,恩特迈耶通过偿还母子来回报他。

  497. Alden 说:
    @Gabriel M

    如果你不介意我问,你为什么去圣殿山? 我猜你是以色列犹太人。

  498. Alden 说:
    @Sam Shama

    独立宣言和宪法是基于共济会的标准规则。

  499. Alden 说:
    @geokat62

    创始人都没有上过哈佛。 它是为希望成为神职人员的人而建立的新教神学院。 其他人没有理由去哈佛。 一些无法获得传教士工作的毕业生成为了教师。

    据我所知,唯一上过大学的创始人是汉密尔顿,国王学院后来的哥伦比亚富兰克林确实帮助建立了宾夕法尼亚大学。

  500. Alden 说:
    @geokat62

    我也不相信创始人想要建立一个基于基督教原则的国家。

    但是为什么一本大学教授写的书很可爱呢? 除了 STEM 科目,大约自 1960 年以来,大学教授所写或所说的每一个字都是反美、反白人格拉门主义、阿林斯基马克思主义的谎言。

    只有非常天真的人才会相信非 STEM 大学教授所说或所写的任何内容。

  501. Anonymous [AKA "Telos"] 说:
    @Lot

    征服我的后端的权利。 如果不是因为美国的鲜血,那么 kikes 在很久以前就会是一段糟糕的回忆,这是第三帝国的礼貌。

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