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The Political Explosion Over Immigration

从我所听到的一切来看,瑞典人似乎是非常和蔼可亲的人,与周围的人相处相当愉快,而我与墨西哥人的个人经历使我得出了类似的结论。 但是,假设有数以百万计的瑞典人跨越边界涌入我们的南部邻国,以至于墨西哥城在短短几十年内成为瑞典人的多数,而该国其他大部分地区也遵循着类似的轨迹。 在这种情况下,必然会出现严重的政治问题,甚至危及社会稳定。

我认为,与一百篇带脚注的学术文章相比,这短短的一段为唐纳德特朗普意外的政治崛起提供了更好的线索。

1915 年美国白人超过 85%,半个世纪后的 1965 年,同样的 85% 比例仍然几乎适用。 但部分由于当年的移民改革法案的通过,美国的人口统计数据 变化非常快 在接下来的五年里。 到 2015 年,西班牙裔和亚裔的总人数增加了 700%,黑人人口增加了近 100%,而(非西班牙裔)白人的数量增长不到 25%,其中大部分甚至很小由于中东人、北非人和其他被美国人口普查正式归类为“白人”的非欧洲高加索人的大量涌入而增加。 由于这些截然不同的人口趋势,美国白人已下降到略高于总数的 60%,现在预计再过一两代人就会成为少数群体,已经减少到代表 不到一半 在所有 10 岁以下的儿童中。

在整个大陆范围内如此巨大和迅速的人口变化可能在整个人类历史上都是前所未有的,我们的政治机构由于未能预测可能的民众反应而非常盲目。 在过去的 XNUMX 个月里,社会自由主义的纽约人唐纳德特朗普利用移民问题抓住了共和党总统候选人提名,反对几乎整个共和党建制派(保守派和温和派)的强烈反对,有时他的竞选活动获得了在全国民意调查中领先,使他有可能进入白宫。 与其想知道候选人是如何利用这个特定问题的,也许我们应该问问自己为什么没有早点发生。

答案是,出于各种务实和意识形态的原因,我们两个主要政党的统治精英在很大程度上要么无视,要么公开欢迎正在改变他们共同控制的国家的人口变化。 长期以来,持续大量移民一直被以经济为重点的右翼开放边界自由主义者和以社会为重点的左翼开放边界多元文化主义者视为毫不掩饰的积极因素,这些意识形态立场渗透到政策专家、工作人员、捐助者、以及构成我们政治生态圈的媒体专家。

今年早些时候,民主党总统候选人伯尼·桑德斯 (Bernie Sanders) 是一位有着毫不掩饰社会主义观点的老人, 被采访了 by VOX的埃兹拉克莱因,并解释说“当然”大量的外国移民——更不用说“开放边界”——代表了科赫兄弟等极端自由市场自由主义者的经济梦想,因为该政策显然会降低工人的工资和以牺牲劳动为代价极大地有利资本。 这些想法使他的新自由主义对话者感到震惊,第二天又 VOX 同事 加入攻击,严厉谴责候选人的观点是“丑陋的”和“错误的”,同时指向了 “华尔街日报” 作为进步经济学说的正确字体。 面对年龄不到他一半的年轻而有影响力的民主党专家的如此尖锐的攻击,桑德斯很快就放弃了他简单的事实陈述,从此避免在他剩余的竞选期间提出移民问题。

只有傲慢、自负、蔑视体制智慧的亿万富翁才能挑战我们政治精英的这种两党移民共识,只有知名名人才能以足够的知名度发起他的竞选活动,以实现媒体突破。 这似乎是一个不太可能在一个人身上找到的特征组合,但不太可能发生,我们的国家政治已经被颠覆。

之前已经有强烈的迹象表明选民中这座正在燃烧的政治火山,尽管这些迹象一再被哥伦比亚特区共和党人花时间参加彼此的招待会和筹款活动所忽视或打折扣。 在 2014 年的选举周期中, 移民是一个关键问题 在共和党众议院多数党领袖埃里克·康托 (Eric Cantor) 惨败的背后,后者输给了一位不知名的主要挑战者,他以 40 比 1 的比分击败了他,构成了国会历史上最大的挫折之一。 在此之前,反移民茶党叛乱分子于 2010 年结束了现任犹他州共和党参议员鲍勃·贝内特 (Bob Bennett) 和 2012 年印第安纳州参议员理查德·卢格 (Richard Lugar) 漫长的职业生涯。

 

使推动移民政治的心理压力更加复杂的是主流媒体在美国日益萎缩的白人中培养一种围攻和边缘化感的作用。 由于过去 11 年来西班牙裔和亚裔人口的大量增加,黑人的相对比例仅略有增加,从 12% 增加到 1990%,但尽管如此,黑人媒体的知名度却大幅扩大,无论是在体育、娱乐、新闻报道,甚至广告。 因此,早在 XNUMX 年代,盖洛普民意调查 表示 考虑到西班牙裔和其他非白人亚群的估计,普通美国人认为我们的全国人口已经有三分之一是黑人,因此已经是少数白人。

与此同时,我们国家精英对民族激进主义的不公平态度几乎无助于改善政治局势。 像马尔科姆 X 那样尖锐的黑人民族主义者在他有生之年被广泛谴责为极端主义的暴力倡导者,但他现在获得了美国邮票的荣誉,而今天像阿尔夏普顿这样的终身种族活动家拥有自己的 MSNBC 有线电视节目和 收到80多个邀请 在过去的几年里,他去了白宫。 这种待遇似乎与过去或现在的白人激进主义同行可能期望得到的待遇大不相同。 特朗普公开谴责审理他的法律案件的墨西哥裔美国联邦法官对他有种族偏见,理由是后者是拉扎律师协会的成员。 有问题的组织似乎相当无害,特朗普的指控很弱,但有人想知道,隶属于一个类似的白人倡导组织的白人倡导组织是否会被提名为替补席,更不用说成功确认了。

XNUMX 月下旬,南亚血统的共和党知识分子 Avik Roy, 痛苦地宣布 他完全误解了他长期努力服务的政党的真实性质。 他和他的环城公路朋友——保守主义公司的书呆子和理论家——多年来一直在认真辩论医疗改革、有针对性的减税和促进自由贸易,假设这些政策和原则同样激励了选举共和党候选人的选民到办公室。 然后特朗普以严厉的、带有种族色彩的言论、截然相反的政策观点和微不足道的广告预算在投票箱中击败了所有那些杰出的国家领导人。 根据罗伊的说法,他和他所有的保守派朋友和赞助人一直生活在“一种泡沫中”,相信他们的选民关心他们的“哲学、经济保守主义”,但他们完全错了:“实际上,引力中心共和党是白人民族主义。” 事实上,在过去几个月里,一些分析人士认为,主流保守派领导人被揭露为指挥幽灵军队的将军,代表着从未真正存在过的意识形态运动。

评论解说 近二十年来, 我一直在争论 日益萎缩的白人多数,无休止地受到多元化文化挑衅的刺激和刺激,并害怕陷入被压迫的少数群体地位,可能会爆发出按照白人种族路线组织的民族主义运动,也许会抓住共和党作为其载体。 我对我的担忧今天得到更广泛的回应并不感到高兴。

亲移民的民主党人和反移民的共和党人

诊断就这么多。 唐纳德特朗普显然是一个有严重缺陷的候选人 可以不可以 在五周内赢得总统职位; 但即使他最终落空,承认他所释放的民众力量先前未曾预料到的力量也将永久性地改变美国的政治格局。 让尖锐的种族两极分化主导一个已经接近 40% 的非白人国家的政治似乎是一种非常危险的情况。 在推动特朗普获得提名的新出现的问题中,移民是最热门的问题。 是否存在达成双方都同意的妥协的余地?

考虑到双方显然有着如此截然相反的利益,这种可能性似乎很小。 特朗普化的共和党似乎对移民充满敌意,而民主党则从移民那里汲取了大部分政治力量,移民与他们的朋友、亲戚和意识形态盟友一起构成了其选民基础的很大一部分。

自 2000 年代初以来,亲移民倡导者的主要目标一直是让 11 万或更多无证移民通过身份合法化来“摆脱阴影”,而且大多数共和党建制派在过去的十几年中都支持了几次尝试年才能通过国会立法实现这一结果。 然而,尽管代表着巨大的财政资源和商业游说力量的广泛联盟的支持,所有这些努力都失败了,打破了一个斗志昂扬的联盟的岩石。 更小更不富裕 草根反移民团体。 而如今这个对立的反移民联盟,在国家层面展现了强大的号召力,夺取了共和党的控制权。 如果一个亲移民的民主党一再未能通过亲移民共和党领导人支持的立法,那么在共和党变得如此强烈反移民之后,还有可能取得成功吗?

奇怪的是,答案是肯定的,而且潜在可行交易的轮廓甚至可能是可见的。 关键的见解是认识到“亲移民”政策不一定与“亲移民”政策相同,甚至可能正好相反。

这不仅仅是文字游戏。 民主党联盟中大多数以移民为重点的强大团体主要关心的是 现有 移民,无论是合法的还是非法的,并且对未来的移民水平只有次要利益。 与此同时,反移民阵营中的主要力量的首要目标是大幅降低目前的移民水平,虽然他们非常想驱逐已经在这里的移民,但最安静地认识到实现这一目标在政治上可能并不现实。

事实上,这两个看似对立的意识形态阵营之间的利益共同点实际上可能远比通常公认的要大得多。 供求的基本规律规定,占据特定市场利基的个人越多,他们的经济议价能力就越弱,收入也就越低。 因此,现有的牙医或出租车司机在支持限制性的许可障碍方面有着强烈的既得利益,以防止其他人进入他们的行业并与他们竞争。 现有的移民也是如此,他们经常面对新移民作为他们最直接的经济竞争对手,因此可能经常成为进一步移民的强烈反对者。

这当然是过去的普遍模式。 例如,美国劳工联合会 (AFL) 的创始主席塞缪尔·冈珀斯 (Samuel Gompers) 本人是欧洲移民,但也成为 1920 年代限制性移民法的主要拥护者,该法大大减少了额外的欧洲移民的流动,从而保护了他的工会成员反对贫困。 最近,劳工领袖塞萨尔查韦斯也是如此,今天被尊为进步万神殿中最重要的西班牙裔偶像。 一个鲜为人知的事实是,几十年来,查韦斯一直是美国反对移民的主要反对者之一,尤其是无证移民,无休止地谴责政府在执行移民法方面的松懈,甚至组织 多次巡逻 沿着墨西哥边境,与 2000 年代备受争议的民兵活动家的活动并无不同。

 

但是,如果移民本身有如此强烈的经济理由来反对持续的大量移民,为什么在现代美国,他们几乎总是成为倡导完全相同政策的反移民团体的主要政治反对者? 显而易见的解释是,许多反移民方面的人采取了极端严厉的态度,他们在陈述案情时经常诉诸粗暴的种族攻击或无端的诽谤。

TAC-西班牙犯罪1 这种自欺欺人的行为的一个完美例子来自特朗普自己的竞选活动,此前移民问题在 2015 年 XNUMX 月旧金山发生致命枪击事件后起火。 一名年轻的白人妇女死于一名无证墨西哥重罪犯之手,由于“庇护城”政策松懈,她最近从监狱释放而不是被驱逐出境,由此引发的媒体风暴是巨大的。 后来的调查发现, 拍摄本身显然是意外, 每年被非法移民杀害的普通白人人数似乎 几乎在微观上很小,但特朗普粗暴地指责墨西哥移民是“强奸犯和杀手”,这自然激起了西班牙裔社区的愤怒。

许多反移民团体采取适得其反的策略的一个微妙因素可能是他们对冲突性质的严重误解。 政治上有一种普遍的倾向,即犯意识形态投射的错误,从而常常含蓄地假设对手的动机是自己的镜像。 因此,在很大程度上主导着反移民运动的政治恐惧的白人种族激进主义者自然相信,西班牙裔移民也有同样的动机,他们的领导人的目标是让更多有自己背景的人淹没这个国家,从而使他们能够沿着民族路线夺取政权。 然而,似乎没有证据表明这一点,大多数西班牙裔对未来的移民相当矛盾,尽管他们通常确实支持对已经在这里的移民给予人道待遇,如果他们认为他们的社区受到不公平的种族攻击,他们可能会绕圈政治。 . 因此,许多反移民领导人可能认为自己陷入了一场不一定存在的零和族裔政治斗争中。

与此同时,西班牙裔领导人和其他移民倡导者可能对反移民阵营中反对者的真正优先事项表现出类似的误解。 出于战术上的政治原因,后者几乎总是将他们的修辞火力集中在无证者身上,部分原因是“非法移民”一词似乎让人联想到危险的外国罪犯的形象,而“合法移民”或“难民”等术语则有很多更积极的心理内涵。 但这种诡计掩盖了该运动的真正目标和关注点。 无论是出于对白人种族流离失所的恐惧、对本地工人的破坏性经济竞争,还是仅仅是出于不受控制的人口增长的危害,几乎所有反移民团体实际上都同样担心 法律 移民作为无证类型。 对他们来说,总数是核心问题——事实上,最大的此类组织本身就是“NumbersUSA”——而且由于合法入境者总是占整体流量的大部分,合法移民是他们真正的主要目标。

实际上,反移民阵营的主要反对者可能在主流商界中找到,他们中的大部分人都认为大量的、持续的移民,无论是合法的还是其他的,都是低成本劳动力的重要来源,同时也发挥着强大的作用。所有其他工人阶级雇员的工资面临下行压力。 但尽管这些亲商元素在共和党的政治传统上占据主导地位,但这些利益集团恰恰是在共和党初选中经常被反移民草根右翼分子在政治上挫败的利益集团,如今在总统层面也遭遇了同样的命运,随着特朗普竞选团队粉碎了他们青睐的候选人。 因此,鉴于他们目前的弱点,他们可能无法阻止由亲移民的民主党人和反移民的共和党人组成的陌生人联盟支持的政治计划。

可能推动这种不太可能的历史性联盟的因素之一是一个简单的事实,即这些团体中的每一个都对现状极度不满并迫切希望改变,但在可预见的未来,它们都没有任何现实机会实现其目标。 只有某种跨越意识形态界限的意外“大交易”才能打破当前的政治僵局。

近二十年来,移民倡导者一直在敦促采取措施减轻压在其社区中数百万家庭的非法负担,但所有这些努力都失败了。 通过任何形式的“大赦”提案都需要控制众议院以及参议院中的阻挠多数,而且在可预见的未来发生这种情况的可能性并不高。

与此同时,对于上一代的大多数人来说,每年的合法和非法移民率很容易超过 XNUMX 万,除了最不切实际的反移民领导人之外,所有人都必须认识到,通过国会立法来减少移民的政治希望几乎没有。这些数字根据现有的政治联盟。 相反,他们只是在与“大赦”和进一步扩大开放边界提议的一系列长期防御战进行斗争并取得胜利。

于是,这两个强大的意识形态联盟相互厮杀到了彻底的胶着状态,也都认为目前的形势是完全不能接受的。 但如果他们联合起来,双方可能会实现他们最喜欢的目标,同时牺牲相对较少的回报。

可能的“大交易”的概述

能够弥合亲移民的民主党人和反移民的共和党人之间看似广泛的意识形态鸿沟的立法方案的主要组成部分可能是什么?

  • 对合法移民实行大规模、永久性的削减

一个核心要素是大幅永久削减合法移民率。 如前所述,这些新移民中的大部分往往是热心的工人,他们对工人阶级的竞争对手施加了严重的工资下调压力,而以前的移民可能遭受的经济损失最大。 美国的商业利益可能会在短期内通过尽可能降低劳动力成本而受益,但我们的工作人口受到影响,由此产生的低工资社会减少了推动我们经济发展的消费支出。

此外,过去几十年如此高的移民水平导致美国人口增长率对于发达国家来说是异常高的。 呈指数增长的人口推高了房价和其他资产价值,大大增加了百分之一的财富,但进一步损害了普通美国人的经济前景并加剧了我们的经济不平等。 我认为过去四十年的高移民率恰好与 四十年的经济停滞 对于大多数普通美国人来说,以及前所未有的财富集中在顶层。

永久降低合法移民率,也许降低 50% 或更多,将解决其中的许多问题,剩余名额的确切分配有待协商。

  • 提高最低工资

显然,除非立法方案还包含大幅减少未来非法移民的可靠手段,否则大幅削减合法移民将毫无意义,这一承诺经常做出但从未兑现。 然而,一个关键的区别是,正在组建的未来政治联盟将排除共和党中大多数传统上支持移民、支持商业的派别,从而允许对这个问题采取截然不同的方法,这也可能大大扩大潜在的民众支持。上诉。

例如, 我争论了很久 减少非法移民的最好和最有效的方法是大幅提高最低工资。

绝大多数非法移民来到美国是为了工作,我们的专家说“他们接受了美国人不会做的工作”是正确的。 但美国人不会接受这些工作的原因通常是 工资太低了. 只有最近抵达的非法移民才会绝望地从事这些可怕的、低薪的工作。

大幅提高联邦最低工资——可能达到每小时 12 美元——将消除这个问题。 一旦工资更加合理,美国人和成熟的移民就会涌向这些职位,而消失的相对较少的工作将是那些需要剥削超低工资劳动力的工作,这些工作在发达经济体中不应该存在.

执行最低工资法比执行移民法容易得多,而且对严重的“工资盗窃”案件可能会加重处罚。 一旦低工资职位空缺的吸引力消失,其他移民执法措施将立即变得更加有效,未来的流入可以减少到最低水平。 实际上,高且严格执行的最低工资就像一堵无形的经济墙,在阻止越境者方面可能比用混凝土和钢铁建造的任何东西都要有效得多。

与此同时,更高的最低工资也会自动减少目前提供给低工资工人的许多经过经济状况调查的社会福利福利。 美国企业将被迫支付自己的员工工资,而不是将如此多的成本转嫁给普通的美国纳税人。

在过去几年中,提高联邦最低工资已成为大多数民主党人的核心政策目标,但在国会中总是遭到保守派共和党人的阻挠。 然而,一旦该提案被重新定义为移民控制措施,并嵌入到针对该问题的更广泛的一揽子计划中,许多更右翼的共和党人可能会在他们强烈的反移民基础的推动下加入。 与此同时,大幅提高最低工资将保证那些不太关心移民问题的民主党人的热情。

  • 人道地对待非法移民

更高的最低工资加上加强的移民执法措施应能够将未来的非法移民减少到最低限度,而对合法移民的永久性大幅度削减应消除人口压力,迫使美国成为低薪社会,并降低了移民的素质。美国工人的生活。

但是,就这些必要的长期政策达成的任何协议也必须人道对待数以百万计的现有无证件居民,这些居民是在政府没有认真执行其移民法的时代到达的。

任何政治上可行的提议都需要为已经在美国生活多年、没有犯罪记录并与当地社区(例如美国出生的家庭成员)有密切联系的个人提供永久居留权,并可能最终获得公民身份。

同时,大幅提高最低工资和加强就业执法,将取消许多新近抵达的低技能移民工人的工作,没有资格改变身份。 应为这些现有的非法居民提供免费返回本国的交通服务,并提供一笔慷慨的一次性现金结算,每位成人可能高达 5,000 美元甚至 10,000 美元,鼓励他们挺身而出接受永久驱逐出境,这是一项投资这对美国纳税人来说是非常划算的。 (自然,此类付款需要书面承诺不再返回,并通过严厉的刑事处罚来强制执行。)随着他们的工作消失,大多数新来的移民似乎会发现这种财务报价非常有吸引力,完全不需要对于任何严厉的联邦“驱逐力量”。

  • 改革滥用 H-1B 移民签证制度

目前支持更高水平移民的最强大的选区之一是硅谷,这主要是由于专门技术外国人的 H-1B 签证严重短缺,现在每年上限为 85,000。

然而,作为一系列文章 “纽约时报” 已经证明,这种短缺完全是人为的。 外包公司 一直在玩H-1B系统 并获得大部分签证,然后利用这些来进口大量低工资移民,以替代经验丰富、收入较高的美国科技工作者。 因此,当前设计不佳的签证制度严重削弱了中产阶级的工资,同时也通过不合理地限制了自己的精英外国雇员的供应,损害了美国最好的科技公司的国际竞争力。

解决这种情况的有效方法是 通过政府拍卖签证来改革 H-1B 系统,从而确保他们去那些为其提供最大经济价值的公司。 这样的招标过程还将结束该行业普通工人持续的失业和工资下降压力。

将此类 H-1B 签证变更纳入拟议的移民改革方案,可能极有可能将强大的科技行业的主要元素纳入支持该立法的政治联盟。 同时,由于此类签证的总数将保持不变,反移民团体不太可能抗议这一变化,而技术工人组织可能会对最终结束他们长期以来一直在经历的持续下降的工资压力的前景充满热情。低端外包公司手中。

 

几十年来在移民问题上的愤怒和徒劳的斗争肯定说服了大多数愤世嫉俗的观察者,任何重大变化——更不用说重大突破——几乎是不可能的,而且在可预见的未来,硬化的政治战线不太可能被打破。 游说者仍然承诺最终会取得胜利,从而从捐助者那里收取定期薪水,而激进主义者继续组织他们的抗议活动,但很少有人相信任何事情都会真正发生。

然而,一个意想不到的战略调整,加入美国领先的亲移民和反移民力量,将彻底改变这个僵持的政治格局,以对角线方式跨越防线,创造以前不存在的可能性。 Such an unlikely alliance would also surely attract the sort of intense media coverage able to focus enormous national attention on the issue, thereby pressuring our elected officials to produce actual legislation.

此外,这种跨意识形态的联盟也可能有助于缓和目前弥漫在移民辩论中的异常痛苦,因为各种狂热的游击队员惊讶地发现,他们的长期对手不一定对他们自己的主要目标如此敌视。 鉴于美国巨大的意识形态和种族多样性,治愈这些现有的民族创伤将是一个非常受欢迎的发展。

许多政治分析家可能会拒绝这种情景,认为这是白日梦,认为没有任何政治冲突如此有争议和长期存在——尤其是具有如此强烈的种族色彩的政治冲突——可能以如此简单和相对友好的方式得到解决。 然而具有讽刺意味的是,不到二十年前,在另一个类似问题上发生了非常相似的事情,该问题本身也与移民密切相关。

几十年来,美国最痛苦的教育斗争之一,充斥着种族分裂的言论,集中在所谓的“双语教育”问题上,即年轻的移民儿童是否应该用他们自己的母语教育多年,还是应该从上学的第一天起就沉浸在英语中。 这些计划的反对者,从主流保守派到反移民活动家,经常谴责他们是出于拉丁裔分离主义的动机,甚至可能为最终与魁北克法国人一样的分离主义运动奠定基础。 与此同时,愤怒的拉丁裔政治家和自由主义活动家积极捍卫该制度,经常指责其批评者存在种族主义或本土主义情绪。 双方的严厉言辞和愤怒的游击队员毒害了公众对话,任何解决方案的可能性似乎微乎其微。

然而,在 1990 年代后期,我和其他几个人启动了一个重大项目,将辩论从意识形态转向实践和教学,重点关注项目是否真正奏效的简单问题,并围绕一系列推动我们的努力。成功的投票倡议。 在这场运动的推动下,全国媒体开始探索这些完全不同的问题,并很快发现英语沉浸式 更成功,同时也是 更受欢迎 在实际的拉丁裔移民家庭中。 结果,母语教学项目逐渐从国家课程中消失,事实上 “双语教育”已基本从媒体词汇中消失 在过去的十几年里。 长达数十年的政治冲突,激烈而充满种族色彩,完全消失了,年轻一代可能几乎不知道它曾经存在过。

我们只能希望我们正在进行的“移民战争”可以在如此短的时间内同样得到解决并几乎完全被遗忘。 在这个问题上再持续二十年的政治僵局可能是灾难性的。

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  1. A major reason the pro-immigration forces are pushing for “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” is that if they do not ‘hang together, they will hang separately”. Allowing everyone to stay and putting up no substantial barriers to future immigration is their lowest common denominator so it is what they default to. Driven by money and racism, the pro-immigration side, which is a minority of the population, has diligently stuck together even though many parts of their coalition have very little in common with the other parts. What the HB1s, wetbacks, the refugee racket, and the family reunification lobbies have in common is that by themselves they cannot win so they have created this unholy alliance and put the capstone of CIR on the top.

    One of the real dangers of a Trump Presidency is that he will start picking apart the coalition before they can strike their grand bargain. Just simply building a fence or requiring employment eligibility verification is all it would take to get the ball rolling. Once certain segments of the coalition have been knocked out or forced to concede, the remaining ones will have less leverage.

    To steal a metaphor from the other side, the pro-immigration forces reminds me of a fortress consisting of a wall which is protected by two large towers (the ethnic lobby and the cheap labor lobby). The towers are there to protect the wall, and then the adjoining towers protect each other.
    When someone asks the cheap labor tower why we need more stoop labor, they will reply with how wonderful these people are and how they enrich our lives. When someone asks the ethnic tower why we need more of the same their reply is always that we could not possibly exist with out maids and short order cooks. Each constituent part cannot protect or justify themselves alone because no one would tolerate someone from the Ag lobby saying that it is less profitable to grow less labor intensive crops or mechanize or someone from the ethnic lobby saying that their people have a right to take over even if that is exactly what they are trying to do.

    • 回复: @Alden
  2. Great ideas, and I applaud you, except:

    “Any politically viable proposal would need to offer permanent residency and perhaps eventual citizenship to individuals who have already lived in the United States for many years, had no criminal record, and possessed strong ties to the local community, such as American-born family members.”

    Another amnesty? After the last one caused another 50 million to flood across? What about the millions who legally applied and are still waiting for their legal entry? And no criminal record doesn’t mean no criminal activity. Illegal entry is a crime. Applying for a job is a crime. Not filing federal and state income tax returns is a crime. Applying for benefits with another’s SSN or a TIN is a crime. And then you run into Obama’s edicts that misdemeanors are not really crimes, and neither are “non-serious” felonies.

    And what about the billions of dollars of unpaid hospital bills for things like child birth? Few can live illegally in the USA for years without engaging in criminal activity. Moreover, what message does another amnesty send to the billions of prospective illegal immigrants throughout the world? Finally, what about the millions of poor Americans denied a job because it was given to a foreigner who came here illegally?

    All this is summed up in basic parenting: You cannot reward bad behavior! Illegal means illegal. Deport. And if they choose to abandon their children, it reflects their values, or desperation. Perhaps the world’s richest man, Mexico’s Carlos Slim, owner of our New York Times, can employ them in Mexico!

    Another amnesty means another 20 million border jumpers over the next decade. The last thing this USA needs in this era of automation are more unskilled workers! Be humane, send them home.

    • 回复: @woodNfish
    , @boogerbently
  3. L.A. County has 1500 outstanding warrants for illegal aliens, 1200 are for murder and/or rape. White European men established and defined the USA, why are we allowing non Europeans even into the discussion? The founding fathers clearly intended this nation to be for white Europeans.

    • 同意: Ace, Ace, Ace, Ace, Ace, MBlanc46
    • 回复: @rw95
  4. Discard 说:

    No compromise. I want my country back. These imports are not American, no matter if they memorized the Constitution and can recite it at will. Note how Avik Roy and his friends could not understand that we Americans want our own country, run in our interests, and respectful of our traditions and culture. They are NOT assimilated. Any compromise is merely a truce, until the foreigners outnumber us in every age cohort, at which time they resume their conquest.

  5. Trelane 说:

    Circa 1900 more than 57% of Americans had blue eyes. By 1950 this was down to 34% and today blue eyes are found in only 16% of the population. By 2100 only 1% of people in America will have blue eyes (it is estimated). Only 22% of today’s American whites have blue eyes. (Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_color).

    • 回复: @Stealth
  6. Trelane 说:

    Don’t like blue eyes? Then your wish is coming true. But >50% of Ashkenazic Jews have baby blues so what are you, an antidentite? Damn antidentite.

  7. eah 说:

    What’s “broken” about it? — I realize today it’s practically a cliche to say it’s “broken”, but I still don’t know what that means — because no one ever says.

    • 回复: @eah
    , @Reg Cæsar
  8. Trelane 说:

    Tangled up in blue this guy is.

    I lived within on Montegue street in the basement down the stairs, there was music in the cafes at night and revolution in the air…

  9. TangoMan 说:

    Frankly I don’t see the incentive for anti-immigration advocates to compromise. Existing laws allow for mass deportation. The problem here is logistical and media-sensitive.

    The issue, to paraphrase Bill Clinton “It’s the Demographics, Stupid.” Any legalization simply strengthens the hands of Democrats and their minority coalition and weakens White cultural America. This is the issue that needs to be solved before any compromise can be effected.

    There is already an awakened sense of “reverse racism” against Whites, what with all of the Affirmative Action, job quotas, minority contracting set asides, anti-discrimination laws. These are all tools of oppression and dispossession which work to steal the legacy left for White Americans by their ancestors. Those ancestors worked to make America better for their children, not for people newly arrived from Honduras and Somalia and China.

    We’ve had 50 years of policies designed to dispossess Whites from the nation built for them by their ancestors, so if compromise is the goal, then there should be on offer similar programs, lasting 50 years, which are designed to undo the damage already inflicted and boost the White demographic back up to 85% of the total population. Anything less simply normalizes the demographic inertia (which keep in mind is not some passive event but is the result of choices made in the past) that is turning America into a minority-majority nation replete with government policies designed to disadvantage Whites in the society that their ancestors developed for THEM.

    The existing system of racial preferences are unjust and so a compromise which preserves injustice doesn’t seem to be a wise path forward for it simply embeds the injustice ever deeper into a foundation which will never be overturned.

    • 同意: artichoke
    • 回复: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  10. edNels 说:

    Your English immersion for school kids is right. No matter what the future demographic may be, today, English is yet the predominant language that is expected to be spoken for any prospective new hire, Hb1 visas included.

    The literate world understands English, though they may persist in speaking their native tongue, those myriad languages hang by a thread and in coming times only English will be able to bridge the gap and ultimately be a world speak. It’s in the cards, that’s the way it breaks, sorry French, German, Spanish, Chinese/various etc.

    And on the Swedes invading Mexico idear… Norway and Sweden together could make about 1.5 m pop. to Mexico’s 125m, Mexico City alone could absorb all of Scandinavia, it might go ok if they can figure out how to make a good herring taco.

    • 回复: @edNels
  11. Clyde 说:

    Since the early 2000s the primary goal of pro-immigrant advocates has been allowing the 11 million or more undocumented immigrants to “come out of the shadows” by legalizing their status……

    That 11 million number has been floated for at least 15 years. The real number of illegals must be minimum 25 million and probably more like 33. Plus we get swamped by their anchor babies who never should have been born on US soil in the first place. Brietbart had a report that 70,000 Central Americans youths and others have come to our border since January. Have declared for asylum and are now living in America. They have future court dates that most will not show up for. I suppose they are not counted in your obsolete 11 million illegal aliens number.

    by Neil Munro 28 Jul 2016
    President Barack Obama has allowed some 400,000 unskilled Central American migrants to pour into the nation’s schools, job-markets, welfare offices, hospitals and jails since 2012, according to government data.

    By the end of June, he had cleared the path for 214,982 “unaccompanied” youths plus 181,456 women and children to come in to the country since October 2012. That adds up to 396,428 migrants — with three months to go before the end of the 2016 fiscal year in October. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/28/president-obama-allows-400000-migrants-from-central-america-since-2012/


    http://cuellar.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=399541

    My solution to legal immigration is that the 100 most wealthy American zip codes must take in 10,000 illegal aliens and regugees and provide housing for them. Plus jobs and welfare if needed.

    • 回复: @Clyde
  12. LouSurfer 说:

    Forget 11 million. Let’s send back 75 million. It’s that or get ready for a race war in the future. America is not a proposition nation, and if it was, it still wouldn’t be because assimilation has been failing for a LONG time.

    • 回复: @rw95
  13. Ron’s proposal sounds reasonable, in that it correctly identifies the real problem as future immigration numbers. It is good to see him come to this conclusion. It is also nice that he correctly describes why more and more white Americans have reached the breaking point — and thus why they are voting the way they are now.

    I’m happy to hear that maybe there is common ground that can become the foundation for an agreed-upon policy.

    In related news, Hungarian voters seem to be in agreement regarding what is happening to them, but they didn’t quite manage to turn out 50% of their electorate:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37528325

    • 回复: @res
  14. Clyde 说:

    I see no mention of a tight system of walls and fences on our Mexican border. We also need to computerize, enter into a central database, all people entering and exiting our legal ports of entry. With biometrics recorded for all who are not US citizens. The present system is in chaos which is just how the DC elites like it.

    -Mandate and enforce e-verify in all work places.

    -Make all state welfare rolls, food stamps/EBT, subsidized housing etc off limits for illegal aliens. States that do not comply get some Federal funding cut off.

    -Another disincentive for illegal immigration: Lawsuits and legislation are needed to get an honest interpretation of the 14th Amendment that removes automatic US citizenship for anchor babies.

    We do the above and at least half our illegal aliens will self deport *加* lots fewer will try to get here in the first place.

  15. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    By 2015 there had been a 700% increase in the total number of Hispanics and Asians and the black population was nearly 100% larger, while the number of (non-Hispanic) whites had grown less than 25%

    Are Hispanics white people too?
    I don’t know. When it’s about crime statistics, they are.
    When it’s about affirmative action, they aren’t.
    I take it they are when it happens to be convenient, and the other way round.

    • 回复: @cynthia curran
  16. Randal 说:

    A noble effort from a voice of reason.

    Sadly, I believe, most likely doomed to failure. The facts described in the first three paragraphs make clear that the US is already doomed to a future of competing ethnic/racial lobbies carving up the spoils between them. It’s not a question of if the white group wakes up to the need to join the competition, but when. Will it be when they amount to 50%, or 40%, or less? The longer it is delayed by the doomed propaganda efforts of the globalist elites, the harder and more ruthless the future will be for America.

    Unz describes the kind of solution a well intentioned intelligent observer would prescribe, given the situation he has correctly diagnosed. But politics and human nature imo simply do not work that way. Immigrant groups might serve the interests of the groups that are already here, but part of those interests lie in precisely not admitting even tacitly that it is in their interests to limit future imports of more of their own kind. They will largely be constitutionally incapable of adopting the kind of political positions Unz describes. Some might, at times, and future politics will no doubt turn on what particular alliances of ethnic/racial lobby groups are formed to take control of the governmental spoils system.

    The damage has largely already been done, and the appropriate emotional response, however destructive it might be, is a bitter hatred of those who have enabled (and still seek to further enable) the mass immigration Unz correctly observes as the essence of the problem. Some eventual appreciation of the voices who warned of the dangers in advance would be a nice bonus, at great cost to themselves at the hands of the currently powerful groups who themselves have benefitted, in the short run at least, from the policies of mass immigration.

    But the least that should be pursued now, as a matter of urgency, is a simple recognition at the popular cultural level that mass immigration is in most cases fundamentally an inherent evil for any society. The political response can only start from there.

    • 回复: @woodNfish
  17. Maj. Kong 说:

    This is not a bargain.

    We have a right to ethnic continuity, and self-determination of peoples. That has been the supposed reason behind the last century of endless foreign wars.

    The base of white conservatism has been forced into the subsidisation of their own dispossession, and given cultural humiliation on top of it.

    The immigration battle cannot be solved without an end to state-sponsored Cultural Marxism.

    Ron, you would be better off petitioning for an independent California Republic. Liberals should seek their own self-determination, and quit denying it to those that don’t like the diversity regime.

    • 回复: @Boris
    , @dfordoom
  18. jim jones 说:

    My experience in London suggests that illegal immigrants work for cash in the restaurant industry, raising the minimum wage would have no effect in theses people.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  19. artichoke 说:

    Now that Trump looks like a possible winner — now you wheel out the compromise?

    If Hillary wins she do you think she would retreat to this? If Trump wins he should not, because he’s promised his supporters that illegals would not have a path to citizenship.

    Raising the minimum wage is also not a Trump issue, although I don’t recall if he’s taken a position on it. I think his idea is to provide better jobs and fewer low-skilled workers so that Americans aren’t required to worry about it.

    H-1B is inherently corrupt because most of the visa holders are graduating foreign students. To attend their educational programs in the USA, every single one of them swore to a US immigration officer in their home country that they had no intention to immigrate here. But there are no surprises any more, the USA is not some mysterious far away land that they can’t read about through the internet or talk to compatriots who went before them. No, they all intend to immigrate with rare exceptions. They are all liars under oath. That’s what we need to reform. Cut down the foreign student visas so graduate admission is more readily available to US students, even if a foreigner is more qualified.

  20. KenH 说:

    “In reality, the gravitational center of the Republican Party is white nationalism.”

    That’s stretching things just a wee bit. While an increasing number of whites are wary and distrustful of blacks and want the border sealed and illegal aliens deported, they have imbibed so much of the multicultural, egalitarian poison that the sweeping demographic changes don’t phase them very much since they are pious believers in the power of assimilation (of third world immigrants) much like a pious Muslim’s faith in Allah.

    The majority of whites are also economic determinists who reason (erroneously) that a strong economy equals good race relations not realizing that there are irreconcilable and biological differences among each group which inevitably cause friction. They quickly forget that, in the 1960’s, the economy was strong with blue collar jobs galore, but that didn’t stop the violent negro insurgency that would later come to be known as the so called civil rights movement.

    • 回复: @artichoke
  21. Rehmat 说:

    Everyone in America with the exception of one million aboriginal Americans, is an immigrant. The White European immigrants occupied America in the early 16th century and within next 100 years ethically cleansed the land of 100-150 million aboriginal people.

    When occupation became expensive, the European opened the doors for non-White immigrants from Africa and Asia as cheap labor. It were these latter immigrants who played a major part in making United States an industrial giant.

    America cannot maintain its industrial growth without foreign labor as most White folks have become too lazy to perform hard labor work – they’re still living in their African slavery.

    Bernie Sanders is no friend of 99%. He is a Wall Street stooge and a Zionist conman in sheep clothing.

    25月XNUMX日,玛格丽特·金伯利(Margaret Kimberley)在《黑色议程》报道中说:“伯妮·桑德斯和他的支持者声称他与众不同,呼吸着新鲜空气。 然而,他“没有记载他的外交政策与希拉里·克林顿和共和党人有何不同”。 “他毫不怀疑,为什么美国有权对其他国家实行政策,并像奥巴马一样对伊朗的核威胁“重复同样的信誉”,甚至美国中央情报局也从未宣布过这种威胁。 社会主义? 他甚至不会说这个词。”

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/09/01/bernie-sanders-a-con-zionist-jew/

  22. Bill Jones 说:

    How deluded do you have to be to believe that the political filth on the left would abide by any “Thus far and no farther” agreement?

    • 回复: @Reg Cæsar
  23. nsa 说:

    This article is a rare combination of hooey and fantasy. Americans are largely ahistorical…could even 1% of the population describe the feats of James K. Polk, America’s second greatest president after Washington? With very little effort, the great man stole half of Mexico and a large swath of Canada from the Brits (without firing a shot)…..all in one term. Mexicans know this and their simple primal plan is to take it back (the reconquista) and more through outright invasion across a pathetic non-defended border. “Grand Bargain” is a pipe dream….two peoples cannot occupy the same real estate peacefully…..this is especially true of differing races. History abounds with examples: Cyprus, Palestine, Bosnia, Turkey- Armenia, Iraq, Pakistan-India…..the list is endless. The choice is simple: either whitey defends his border and terminates immigration, legal and illegal, or the Mexicans eventually get it back through invasion and rampant breeding…history indicates there are no other possibilities.

    • 回复: @bomag
  24. Clyde 说:
    @Clyde

    更正:
    My solution to illegal immigration is that the 100 most wealthy American zip codes must each take in 10,000-20,000 illegal aliens and refugees and provide housing for them. Plus jobs and welfare if needed.

  25. eD 说:

    In policy terms I agree with this but not politically. This was the grand bargain that was enacted in 1986, and the cheap labor side reneged.

    Also one thing about this issue, and its a good part of the rationale for the Trump campaign, is that the laws currently on the books are more than sufficient to deal with the problem of illegal immigration, which is already by definition illegal. While there is an argument the legal immigration is too high as well, until the immigration laws are enforced there are simply no tools to deal with this. This means that this is almost purely a federal executive branch matter, meaning this is one case where electing a sympathetic President is a necessary, if not a sufficient, step.

  26. Reg Cæsar 说:

    例如,我长期以来一直认为,减少非法移民的最好和最有效的方法是大幅提高最低工资。

    Indeed you have. And I have long suggested in the comments of those pieces that you adopt Randall Burns’s suggestion that the minimum wage be set much higher for non-citizens. (He says double; I say triple.)

    But no, it’s still the one-size-fits-all minimum.

    Say, how about requiring all prospective immigrants to pay full market price for their health care? Now would lead to reductions!

  27. Reg Cæsar 说:
    @Bill Jones

    How deluded do you have to be to believe that the political filth on the left would abide by any “Thus far and no farther” agreement?

    Someone as shrewd as Ronald Reagan got thus deluded. He probably bought the assurance that his old party wouldn’t stab their old constituency in the back. But, as any Southerner of a certain vintage could tell you, they’ll do that without pausing for breath. Their only constituency is the party itself.

  28. Reg Cæsar 说:
    @Rehmat

    Everyone in America with the exception of one million aboriginal Americans, is an immigrant.

    By that standard, every Arab in North Africa and the Levant is also an immigrant. And, as KSA and the Gulf States show, no work at all would be done without foreign labor if extractible wealth is available to pay for it.

    • 回复: @Rehmat
  29. All we have to do is enforce the law. The legal immigration problem can then be fixed and the slugs that insist on H1bs can be dealt with harshly.

  30. 亲移民民主党人和反移民共和党人的联盟最终可以解决我们破碎的制度

    从谁的角度来看?

    The system will never be fixed except according to the whims of the 事实上的 ruling classes at any given moment.

    Anyone who thinks otherwise would do well to read the excellent primer on American style corruption, “Stealing from America,”A History of Corruption from Jamestown to Reagan, by Nathan Miller.

    https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/nathan-miller/stealing-from-america/

  31. Rurik 说:
    @Rehmat

    The White European immigrants occupied America in the early 16th century and within next 100 years ethically cleansed the land of 100-150 million aboriginal people.

    and now we should let them return the favor, huh?

    White folks have become too lazy to perform hard labor work – they’re still living in their African slavery.

    the problem with white people isn’t that they’re incapable of hard work. Hardly (I should know ; ). Or that all of their prosperity is a direct consequence of African slavery. That’s not only puerile and idiotic, it’s hysterically inaccurate (and racist ; ).

    the problem with whites is that because they’re so fundamentally kind and generous, that spiritually they’re allowing themselves to be racially emasculated by an avalanche of hatred that’s aimed at them from all the assorted the butt-hurt non-whites (and homos and fem-Nazis and Muslims and Jews) of the world, who lack the fortitude and intelligence to create that which white DNA created; the magnificent culture and cities and freedoms of the West. It is due to the accomplishments of the Western world that there’s so much envy and consequent hatred for it and the attractive people (yet another reason they’re envied and hated) who created it.

    Some ungrateful scum even condemn these amazing people and their sublime culture and accomplishments from the very hearth and home of the white societies who’ve invited them in, and where they enjoy the myriad fruits and generosity of. Can you imagine?

    Perhaps they should do their white neighbors they despise so much a big favor and slink back to the home of your fellow butt-hurt crybabies.

    • 回复: @Rehmat
  32. How soon we forget that many western US states had significant Hispanic, American Indian, and Asian demographics until the 1890s, that many southern states were majority Black – and that Benjamin Franklin had considered the Germans to be a race utterly alien to his own.

    How soon we forget that the Ellis Island wave brought proportionally more immigrants to our shores than the modern migration over the border does today – and changed America into a nation of not only Protestants, but also Catholics and Jews.

    The Westphalian nation-state system is difficult to apply to cultures that have historically had a different concept of world order (like India, China, the Islamic world, the former Byzantine world) – so is it really appropriate to apply this concept to the US? Isn’t it time to break from the Old World?

    The ‘conservative utopia’ of the 50s and 60s – ‘Les Trentes Glorieuses‘ was pretty much an artifact of the postwar era. All signs point to countries like China and India never really attaining that level of prosperity. The West will never really attain that level of relative prosperity again either. Have we forgotten that correlation != causation?

    The problem isn’t race or culture. The problem is that technology is outpacing the improvement of human capital and that many people no longer enjoy their parents’ and grandparents’ quality of life. This issue is exacerbated by diversity, but not caused by it.

    It’s not that “they took our jerbs”. It’s that some of those jobs are never coming back. And this goes for everyone in the world.

    • 回复: @John Jeremiah Smith
    , @Rurik
  33. Reform? There’s no need to “reform” anything at all. Enforce existing laws, and the problem is addressed.

    It is also advisable to place an absolute moratorium on all legal immigration for a five year period of evaluation, followed by a ten-year absolute moratorium. The people of the USA need to come to the recognition of the fact that we need no immigration, none at all. The population burgeons, out of control. It’s time to stop — long past time to stop.

    Defend the borders with lethal force. Yes, it’s harsh, but very few shootings will actually take place. Make the statement and assert the conditions a few times, and the new effective reality will take hold. No immigration. No border jumping. No marrying-in. No amnesty.

    Enforce fines and prison sentences (provided for under long-existing law) on employers who hire illegal aliens. The illegal occupation will stop in 90 days or less. Prosecute illegal alien owners of businesses — it’s against the law for illegal aliens to operate resident businesses.

    Get them OUT!!

  34. @Chiquita LeStrange

    It’s not that “they took our jerbs”. It’s that some of those jobs are never coming back. And this goes for everyone in the world.

    Yes, they did. And yes, they do. If there is a job held by an illegal alien, it is a job taken from an American.

    Mealy-mouthing platitudes won’t cut it. It is what it is: invasion, appropriation, and displacement of real Americans.

  35. Rurik 说:
    @Chiquita LeStrange

    How soon we forget that the Ellis Island wave brought proportionally more immigrants to our shores than the modern migration over the border does today –

    those were European immigrants

    unlike today’s

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/03/we-run-the-streets-video-shows-angry-mob-attacking-chp-patrol-car-with-officer-still-inside/?utm_term=.46e49b46b257

    • 回复: @Chiquita LeStrange
  36. @Rurik

    That’s what I’m saying. The US used to be much browner before the Ellis Island migration wave. Demographic change much?

    >http://abagond.wordpress.com/2014/04/09/american-ethnic-groups-a-brief-history-1492-to-2100/

    >1790: 4.85 million:

    12.4%本地人
    16.1%黑色
    65.3% White (including Hispanic)

    >http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/05/04/307954395/californias-latino-plurality-brings-a-sense-of-d-j-vu

    >California demographics 1890:

    ~9% Hispanic
    ~11% 亚裔
    ~1% Black
    ~72% non-Hispanic White
    (Native Americans not counted)

    >http://www.coopercenter.org/sites/default/files/publications/NC_Blacks-in-Virginia_4_30_12.pdf

    >Virginia demographics 1880:

    ~42% Black
    ~58% White (includes Hispanic and possibly acculturated Asians and Natives)
    (most Native Americans not counted)

    • 回复: @John Jeremiah Smith
    , @Rurik
  37. There are two kinds of liberals. There are Hillary’s liberals, who love BLM, see nothing wrong in the knock-out game, demand open borders and would like to see old white working class people disenfranchised if not euthanized. And there are the noble liberals, intelligent, well-educated proponents of ensuring all good things happen to everyone equally. Of the two, the noble liberals are by far the greatest threat to national survival and the public good.

    Raising the minimum wage is a major Noble liberal cause that will contribute enormously to the destruction of the EuroAmerican nation. America is a poor country. The median earned income of American workers in 2014 was under \$29,000, and the average wage of the 81 million members of the lowest paid half of the workforce was less than \$13,000, or about \$7.00 an hour if those jobs were full-time. Thus a \$12 minimum wage will simply exclude from the legal workforce large numbers of Americans, while creating a vacuum for illegal immigrants ready to work in the already roaring no-tax, no-workplace-health-and-safety underground economy.

    • 回复: @Boris
  38. Boris 说:

    the resulting low-wage society reduces the consumer spending that drives our economy.

    I don’t know that this is right. Low wages keep prices low. And high wages arising from a labor shortage don’t make up for the loss in production caused by the shortage in the first place.

    Of course, raising the minimum wage has problems of its own, but this is definitely a policy that could gain traction……BUT, the anti-immigration wing of the Republican party has never shown that it can accept any compromise. Since these are the people who vote in primaries, any R politician floating a compromise would likely get primaried by an even more extreme version.

    • 回复: @OilcanFloyd
  39. TWS 说:

    God I hope not. The last ‘grand bargain’ ass-raped the country. I can’t believe anyone who wants to see America remain American would advocate anything like this.

    If we don’t immediately start deportation we’ll die as a nation. Enforce the laws now. Send the illegals home. Retroactively repeal birthright citizenship. Maybe, just maybe, we’ll have the nation our fathers and grandfathers left us.

    Or we can go the way of the Byzantine Greeks.

    • 同意: John Jeremiah Smith
    • 回复: @Chiquita LeStrange
  40. Rehmat 说:
    @Reg Cæsar

    People who read Daniel Pipes’ history of Muslims – become idiots like you.

    Arabs came to most African countries after the Dawn of Islam in 610 CE – especially after the Berber Muslims liberated Jew Serfs from Catholic-ruled Spain in 711 CE. Once the Spanish Jews became the elites in Muslim Spain – European Christians began throwing them out of Europe – at least 108 times.

    [更多]

    14年2015月28日,《华盛顿邮报》和《美国广播公司新闻》这两个亲以色列的犹太宣传网点发布了他们的民意调查结果,询问参与者美国是否认为伊斯兰教鼓励暴力。 民意调查发现,只有54%的美国人同意该问题(他们的信息基于犹太人/犹太复国主义的金戈主义),而XNUMX%的美国人称伊斯兰为和平宗教。

    经过改革的拉比·艾伦·S·马勒(Rabbi Allen S. Maller)在加利福尼亚州卡尔弗市(Culver City)带领Temple Akiba任职39年,然后于2006年退休。他曾在洛杉矶的犹太大学任教,并着有多本著作,并为几本犹太出版物撰写过专栏。 拉比·马勒(Rabbi Maller)认为西方与伊斯兰教的主要问题在于,它与犹太教和基督教的哲学不同。 虽然早期的两种亚伯拉罕宗教都摆脱了宗教伦理与政治的束缚,但伊斯兰教义却拒绝将宗教伦理与政治和日常的社会生活区分开。

    “伊斯兰教并不比中世纪的基督教或圣经犹太教更暴力。 但是在过去的两个世纪中,西方民主国家已经了解了政教分离原则对公民和平的重要性。 教堂和国家之间的广泛分离目前在欧洲和北美很普遍,这使宗教脱离了不同国家之间的政治和军事冲突,”拉比·艾伦·S·马勒(Rabbi Allen S. Maller)在28年2015月XNUMX日说。

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/01/02/rabbi-maller-islam-is-religion-of-tolerance/

    • 回复: @Reg Cæsar
  41. Rehmat 说:
    @Rurik

    “The problem with whites is that because they’re so fundamentally kind and generous….”

    MAAN – you must have your brain hanging between your legs.

    Do you want us to believe that WWI and WWII which killed more than 110 million people were not started by the so-called ” kind and generous” White bloodsuckers?

    Johnny Punish, an American musician, poet and writer, published a list of Top Ten Most Wanted Global War Criminals – All WHITES – on his blog on March 20, 2013. Six of the top ten war criminals, Benjamin Netanyahu, Henry Kissinger, Rupert Murdoch, Jamie Dimon, Hank Paulson and Paul Wolfowitz, are Jewish or have Jewish family roots. The remaining four are Christian Zionist Islamophobes, former president George Bush, former US vice-president Dick Cheney, former US secretary of defense Donald Rumsfeld and former British prime minister Tony Blair…..

    https://rehmat1.com/2013/07/25/ten-top-global-war-criminals-all-non-muslims/

    • 回复: @OilcanFloyd
    , @Rurik
  42. Chet Roman 说:

    Is it a coincidence that globalization and the flood of unskilled illegal immigrants have emerged simultaneously and only served to weaken and fragment the working and middle class while strengthening the deep state’s control of power?

    • 回复: @dfordoom
  43. Legal or illegal, most immigrants have no reason to be here and their negatives far outweigh their positives, and any legal status that they were/will be given by extremists in our government means nothing. Restoring our traditional demographics is less radical than bringing these people here in the first place. Send them home! What better use is there for our military? As for our elites, I hate them as much as they hate me. It’s clear what should be done with traitors.

  44. @TWS

    Look at the biggest immigrant groups. No Mexican, Indian, or Chinese military power has ever conquered part of the US. Mexico can’t even secure their own border, the Chinese burned their ships rather than colonize overseas, and a nation exemplified by Gandhi doesn’t really sound like a bunch of warlords.

    There aren’t even that many Arabs in the US, its just Europe. You’re projecting.

  45. @Rehmat

    Is it impossible for you to distinguish between the vast majority of whites who allow people like you to live peacefully in our countries, while hating them, and psychopathic criminals like Bill Clinton, Dick Cheney and their handlers? Without people like you here as a wedge issue and vote producer, we might be able to dish out justice to these criminals and take our nations back.

    • 回复: @Rehmat
  46. @Boris

    Low wages keep prices low? Is that why incomes aren’t keeping pace with prices for many?

    • 回复: @Boris
  47. @Chiquita LeStrange

    That’s what I’m saying. The US used to be much browner before the Ellis Island migration wave. Demographic change much?

    Bla bla bla bullshit bla bla.

    Interesting “sources” you have there. Either way, it’s bullshit. Largest late-migration populations were German and Irish, both taking place over an 80-year interval, each amounting to no more than 10 million total over the time period. Each ethnic group greatly desiring assimilation, btw — a quite favorable, instructive, and constructive attitude.

    All of which is absolutely irrelevant. We have absolutely no need whatsoever for immigrants. None. Each immigrant is a burden on an already-overburdened economy and society. Each immigrant accelerates and aggravates the breakdown of a once reasonably-homogenous national culture.

    Get them OUT!!

    • 回复: @Chiquita LeStrange
  48. @Chiquita LeStrange

    There aren’t even that many Arabs in the US, its just Europe. You’re projecting.

    One is one too many.

  49. MLK 说:

    Labor vs. Capital

    This should have a finer point put on it because it goes to any grand bargain. Human Labor is competing with Machine Labor —Automation. All else being equal, Capital is indifferent to which it exploits. But all else has never been equal, and a variety of factors, not the least total cost of Labor and the latest automation technology revolution, is tipping the balance even further in favor of machines over Human Labor.

    This is evident in the ever less subtle shift of large businesses from opposition to public support or acquiescence of large increases in the Minimum Wage. Not just the technology companies building Human Labor replacing automation but the prospective employers of these machines, if you will, as well. Everything that tips the balance in favor of automation amounts to a thought out industrial policy, if not perceived by the public in those terms.

    Large-scale replacement of Human Labor presents problems, both consumer and political.

    It isn’t enough for businesses to propagandize their customers that the result is a better consumer experience. The public needs to be conditioned to accept it. At the low income, discount end of retailing like Walmart the problem is primarily political. It’s known for Low Everyday Prices, not service, and its customers have little in the way of better service alternatives, which they cannot afford anyway. But as you move up the chain, actually persuading consumers to accept wide scale automation becomes essential.

    I’m quite a bit more of a revolutionist. To your worthy ideas I would add an even bolder one. A radical change to taxing every dollar of GDP (except exports) equally. This would constitute, in effect, a Market Access Tax. The American consumer market is a collective asset of the citizenry. Access to it should require all participants pulling their weight. Importantly, in light of the above, it would rebalance the scales between Human Labor and Automation (and foreign producers). Businesses would be fully reimbursed for the income taxes (at the same universal rate) paid in wages, salaries and benefits to their employees.

  50. pyrrhus 说:
    @Discard

    Yes. We want our country back, and we want the likes of Avik Roy deported, if possible. The world, outside countries settled by a few northwestern european, votes ethnically and jealously guards the culture and leadership of ethnic majorities. Whites in America and a few other countries have been hoodwinked into supporting people who dislike their culture and have no allegiance to the people who built the US (and UK, and France, Sweden, Germany, etc), without the help of whiny minority groups. Either white Americans wake up, or they will be living in a 3d world hellhole within 30 years….

  51. Boris 说:
    @OilcanFloyd

    If labor costs go up, then prices go up. Other things can cause prices to rise, though.

    • 回复: @CalDre
  52. @Chiquita LeStrange

    >Irish

    Gangs of New York ring a bell?

    Of course. There is no depiction more accurate, more factual, more perfectly descriptive of past history than that of a Hollywood motion-picture production. You just can’t DO history better than Hollywood does it.

    You have managed to confirm, and reinforce, my opinion that you are an indoctrinated noogie.

    • 回复: @rw95
  53. Boris 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    There are Hillary’s liberals, who love BLM, see nothing wrong in the knock-out game, demand open borders and would like to see old white working class people disenfranchised if not euthanized.

    You’ve been watching too many cartoons.

  54. Boris 说:
    @Maj. Kong

    We have a right to ethnic continuity, and self-determination of peoples.

    “Ethnic continuity”? There is no such right.
    “self-determination of peoples”? This sounds like nonsense.

    Liberals should seek their own self-determination, and quit denying it to those that don’t like the diversity regime.

    Oh, that’s because it was nonsense. I like the diversity regime. Why are you trying to deny me my right to self-determination?

    • 回复: @The Anti-Gnostic
  55. When you turn English-speaking Americans of European descent into a discriminated against minority in their own country, don’t be surprised when they begin to adopt the behaviors of a discriminated against minority.

  56. >There is no depiction more accurate, more factual, more perfectly descriptive of past history than that of a Hollywood motion-picture production. You just can’t DO history better than Hollywood does it.

    So you’re saying that media bias against minorities DOES exist? Wow quite progressive. I’m glad to hear. #OscarsSoSaxon

  57. Ron Unz 说:

    Well, here’s a general response to quite a number of the commenters disputing my analysis:

    (1) Those who dislike the consequences of immigration should recognize that both legal and illegal immigration are fairly similar in their impact, a fact which is quietly admitted by all the leading anti-immigration groups. And since nearly all analysts agree that the overwhelming majority of total immigrants are of the legal variety, legal immigration obviously needs to be the main focus of any serious efforts to restrict overall immigration.

    (2) Obviously restricting *合法的* immigration cannot be achieved by “Building a Wall!” or “Guarding Our Borders!” Therefore, focusing on those “solutions” is rather silly.

    (3) Some anti-immigration activists seem to think the solution is leaving comments on websites, including this one, along the lines of “IMMEDIATELY END ALL IMMIGRATION!!!!” But I fail to see how agitated commenting, even using all-caps, would have any impact in the real world. The only way to reduce *合法的* immigration is to pass Congressional legislation.

    (4) As I emphasized in my article, the political dynamics of the issue are dominated by three separate blocks: (A) pro-immigrant Democrats, (B) pro-immigration Republicans, and (C) anti-immigration Republicans. For roughly 15 years, (A) and (B) have been allies, trying to pass legislation in Congress that would provide for an amnesty for many existing illegals and also (usually) increase legal immigration. Anti-immigration Republicans(C) have narrowly managed to block all these efforts, but have always been on the defensive. The likelihood that anti-immigration Republicans by themselves would manage to pass Congressional legislation sharply cutting *合法的* immigration is approximately zero.

    (5) Therefore, I think the only chance anti-immigration Republicans(C) have of reducing *合法的* immigration is to ally themselves with the pro-immigrant Democrats(A) to defeat the pro-immigration Republicans(B). I have outlined the likely terms of such an alliance, and if anyone can suggest more favorable terms, let them do so.

    (6) The bottom line is that for anyone seriously opposed to current high levels of immigration, illegal immigration is largely a red herring and focusing on it is completely misguided. Once you start thinking about how to reduce legal immigration, you may see that my political analysis makes sense.

  58. @Boris

    The two worldviews are, as you note, irreconcilable.

    If you want high living standards with Diversity, then you need a strong centralized government with one super-majority ethno-cultural group clearly in charge of the levers of power. Singapore and Israel are good examples of this. Your other options are Brazil, a dysfunctional mess, or the latest Empire in a long line of exploded Empires.

    As Diversity increases, the consensus on the State’s ontological, existential premises disappears. People start asking why they should pay taxes or sign up for the military to support worldviews they find utterly repugnant.

  59. Alden 说:
    @Prof. Woland

    Don’t forget the do gooder lobby and the billions of dollars in taxpayers money it gets. I referrer to the Lutherans, Jews, Catholics, Anglicans, Methodists, Baptists and numerous religious charities that dump the most primitive savages in American towns. Probably the Lutherans went around the world and picked Somalians and other Africans who are the worst of the worst but all are culpable.

    One hundred years ago an ambitious young person who didn’t have a job started his own business. Nowdays, an ambitious person who doesn’t have a job files for a non profit corporation, hires a commission grant writer who is paid a percentage of the grants obtained and becomes rich as executive director of a do gooder non profit.

    AAny immigration reform needs to go after the do gooder non profits

  60. res 说:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Interesting. I wonder what a usual turnout would be for Hungary. Given the numbers:

    Nearly 98% of those who took part supported the government’s call to reject the EU plan.
    但是只有43%的选民投票,不足有效投票所需的50%。

    and assuming a usual turnout of 80% (which seems high to me) it looks like they are trying to finagle a no (not reject) vote with what would be a minority supporting their position in a typical election. Perhaps it’s time to present the measure in the opposite fashion and play the same game.

  61. eah 说:
    @eah

    Talk of a “grand bargain” reminds me of this ancient (2002) Juan Mann article on vdare.com about the EOIR (Executive Office for Immigration Review): …as every insider knows, “it’s not over until the alien wins.”

  62. Alden 说:

    The San Francisco murder of 3 members of the Bologna family was not accidental. An illegal immigrant felon recently released from the city and county jail purposely shot and killed 3 people driving their car through an intersection.

    Liberals claimed that because 2 of the victims were teen age boys the murderer assumed they were rival gang members and was thus justified in killing them. The boys of course had no criminal record and no contact whatsoever with police and or juvenile authorities.

    I and many others doubt that the Steinle killing was an accident. The killer just happened to sit down on a bench and saw a gun lying there. The killer just happened to pick it up and was messing with it and it just happened to go off and kill a passerby. That sounds like a typical defense attorney argument when there is no evidence nor legal argument to make.

    It’s the typical excuse used by people who “accidentally” kill their spouses or parents to obtain insurance money and inheritances.

    It’s not just Whites who are killed by illegal alien Hispanics. It’ also blacks. Considering that the official black line is hate Whitey, I don’t think Whites should be too concerned about that, but nevertheless its a fact. Jamiel Shaw, a black teen boy was murdered, just shot down as he was walking home one evening by an illegal felon released from Los Angeles city jail less than 24 hours before the killing.

    Again the excuse was that the victim had a spiderman back pack which the murderer assumed was some kind of gang insignia. Like the Bologna boys, Shaw had no juvenile record nor police contact. I was surprised that a 17 year old had a spiderman back pack. I thought spiderman things were for young boys but who am I to judge what is fashionable with 17 year old boys.

  63. bomag 说:
    @nsa

    With very little effort, the great man converted half of Mexico and a large swath of Canada from the Brits (without firing a shot)…..all in one term.

    Those other countries’ claim to the land at that time was pretty feeble. The US investment and use of the land since that time has generated a claim that swamps the pitiful reconquista criminal activity.

  64. eah 说:
    @Ron Unz

    is rather silly

    As is suggesting that those who ‘focus on those solutions’ (for illegal immigration) don’t realize they have no impact on legal immigration (which is also quite significant, and therefore a significant source of demographic change as well, as you suggest) — and most who are concerned enough about the issue of immigration (legal and illegal) to follow it, are also smart enough to know that “those solutions” are only part of the ‘solution’ (ie there is no single ‘solution’) for illegal immigration — neither does anything about eg overstayers, or those who are already here and working illegally — just fyi.

  65. Rurik 说:
    @Chiquita LeStrange

    That’s what I’m saying. The US used to be much browner before the Ellis Island migration wave. Demographic change much?

    yes, the Amerindians were genocided off the continent in many places. And that sucked for them. Now today some people think the proper thing would be to genocide the Europeans out of N. America and all their ancient homelands in Europe as a payback of sorts.

    They should be treated with the same kind of consideration the Apache treated the white man with. And for the same reasons.

  66. Of course legal immigration is the main problem, since “legals” are here in numbers and have been given resident or citizen status. Outside of disliking the sheer numbers of illegals, I assume that most people who oppose illegal immigration do so out of fear that the illegals will be given citizenship.

    The majority who are beside themselves over the immigration issue are mad because the system has purposely failed them. They voted for decades for Republicans who said one thing, and did another on immigration. So, no, we aren’t where we are by accident, and the elites aren’t tearing down civil liberties for nothing, whether or not they are surprised by Trump’s support.

  67. Rurik 说:
    @Rehmat

    hanging between your legs.

    多管闲事?

    Do you want us to believe that WWI and WWII which killed more than 110 million people were not started by the so-called ” kind and generous” White bloodsuckers?

    no, the ones that started it were and are the most deadly enemy the white man has ever known, because he uses guile and subterfuge and corruption to get the white man to kill other white men.

    [更多]

    what are you crying about? With your butt-hurt crybaby hatred of all things white and Western, you should be jerking off to photos of dead Holocaust and Dresden victims in your mother’s basement subsidized by the white man. Perhaps that’s your problem, his eternal generosity makes you feel impotent and inadequate to have him as your benefactor. Huh?

    are Jewish or have Jewish family roots.

    the Islamic dogs demanding Europe and N. America open their doors to unlimited Muslim immigration have as their most valuable allies the Zionist Jews working as a tireless filth column in those countries. You’d go down on anyone of them at the drop of a Koran to ensure continued Muslim immigration into the West- and you and all the rest of us know it.

    You’re all popping little boners hoping for a kind of wide spread return of Moorish rule of Andalusia- Europe wide. When finally you and your lot were able to get laid- by use of force. Just like they’re doing in Europe all over today.

    If the Zionists promised you Germany, you’d toss every Palestinian and Syrian under the rubble faster than you could say gang rape.

    • 回复: @Rehmat
  68. Long, point-by-point refutation of Mr. Unz’s theory-based proposal follows.

    “[T]he best and most effective means of reducing illegal immigration is a large increase in the minimum wage.”

    No. A raised minimum wage will create an even more attractive incentive for illegal immigrants.

    “The vast majority of illegal immigrants come to America for jobs, and our pundits are correct in saying ‘they take the jobs that Americans won’t.’”

    Only because our Dear Ruling Globali\$t \$ellout E\$tabli\$hment refuses to penalize businesses that hire illegal aliens – many of whom now use stolen or faked Social Security numbers, another industry-to-itself corruption that breeds further, deeper corruption in illegals claiming unemployment benefits and other, supposedly “means-tested,” forms of welfare, such as Section 8 low rents whose deficit Americans are forced to pay for along with being forced to pay for “free” Obamacare for illegals (and legals alike), education for immigrants’ children, plus all the other racial set-asides such as low interest small business loan preference that privilege foreigners over U.S. citizens. And remember how the Housing Bubble-cum-Mortgage Deficit Swaps that catered recklessly to millions of illegal immigrants blew up in our faces in 2007-8 – and how the Big Bailout then catered to the Globali\$t financial entities (bank\$ter\$) instead of relieving the heavy burdens forced on ordinary Americans?

    ”But the reason that Americans won’t take those jobs is often that the wages are just too low.”

    Without the enormous oversupply of both illegal and legal immigrant Cheap Scab Labor, businesses would be forced to compete for scarcer American citizen labor.

    “Only recently-arrived illegal immigrants are desperate enough to take many of those terrible, low-paying jobs.”

    Raise the minimum wage and you get a much more attractive incentive to illegal (and legal) immigration, with businesses passing the cost of higher minimum wage labor on to ordinary Americans in the form of naturally raised higher prices of goods & services.

    “[A] much higher minimum wage would…reduce…means-tested social welfare benefits currently going to low wage workers. American businesses would be forced to pay their own employees rather than shift so much of the cost to ordinary American taxpayers.”

    No. Scamming means-testing parameters is today a vast 罗莎 industry of deep corruption. Plus, forcing businesses to pay a higher minimum wage and to compensate for this labor cost-increased hit on their bottom lines, businesses will – naturally – raise prices of goods & services to keep the businesses’ Wall Street profits and profiles in the stratosphere.

    “A large hike in the federal minimum wage—perhaps to \$12 per hour—would eliminate this problem.”

    No. It will exacerbate the problem, with the costs to businesses then imposed on ordinary Americans, atop the burdens ordinary Americans are already forced to bear. Plus, the cost of imported foreign goods would also rise to take advantage of a higher minimum wage – because foreign powers selling goods & services here will be razor keen not to stare the higher minimum wage gift horse in its mouth.

    “Enforcing minimum wage laws is far easier than enforcing immigration laws, and penalties could be strengthened for cases of serious ‘wage theft.’”

    Sure. And how are today’s laws against hiring illegal aliens (or against Importing H-1B, H-2B, and all the other scammed programs that incentivize U.S. employers to Import more and more Cheap Third World Scab Labor) enforced? How about . . . rarely, and only for “optics” contrived to make the enforcement appear to be thorough, when it is anything but thoroug. So the expectation that “enforcing minimum wages laws” would somehow disincentivize illegal immigration and also disincentivize hiring of illegal (and legal) immigrants amounts to sheer theory – in short: a pipe dream, a chimera to be exploited by businesses that donate to the politicians who already refuse complaisantly to enforce existing immigration and hiring laws.

    Further, as automation inexorably eliminates jobs that require unskilled and semi-skilled labor, the need for further immigrants vanishes entirely – and the imperative to deport illegal aliens strengthens.

    My recommendation is repudiation of NAFTA, GATT, and the plethora of other phony “free trade” treaties and deals combined with reintroduction of the trade protectionism that, for over a century, kept U.S. industries and jobs here in the U.S. and kept malign foreign ownership of business in the U.S. at a minimum beneficial to Americans.

    “Any politically viable proposal would need to offer permanent residency and perhaps eventual citizenship to individuals who have already lived in the United States for many years, had no criminal record, and possessed strong ties to the local community, such as American-born family members.”

    No. Like all of the many previous amnesties, offering “permanent residency” and “citizenship” to long-term illegal alien parasites will – of course, as amnesties’ history overwhelmingly shows – further incentivize evermore massive illegal immigration.

    “One of the strongest constituencies currently backing higher levels of immigration is Silicon Valley, primarily due to the acute shortage of H-1B visas for specially skilled foreigners, now capped at 85,000 per year.”

    There is no shortage of U.S. citizen STEM graduates – 50% of whom, in addition to their being frozen out of STEM employment by the massive visa Import Cheap Third World \$cab Labor scams, are also forced to bear lifelong student debt for their STEM degrees made worthless by the visa scams.

    “An effective means of addressing this situation would be to reform the H-1B system by having the government auction off the visas, thereby ensuring that they go to those companies for which they provide the greatest economic value.”

    So, another form of Big Bailout for Globali\$t \$ellout Big Business, which does nothing to promote the hiring of U.S. citizen STEM graduates? And you, Mr. Unz, expect that businesses will not – with the eager venal help of their bought-&-paid-for political cronies – scam a visa auction system in the same ways they’ve used to scam the present visa system? Please.

    All of your proposals, Mr. Unz, form just more ways to keep digging deeper the hole Americans are already forced to pay to dig further to bury ourselves. The only way to help U.S. citizens is to CUT THE CORD on ALL immigration: impose a 50-year immigration moratorium – including an end to all of the corrupting, massively scammed visa programs; Build The Wall; rigorously penalize employers who hire or Import illegal alien Cheap Third World Scab Labor; deport all illegal aliens; and deport all the millions of lawbreaking, system corrupting visa overstayers. A clean break is what’s needed – not more laws that will obviously be rigged and then winked at and exploited by our Dear Ruling Globali\$t \$ellout E\$tabli\$hment.

    Tacitus’s axiom applies to our Dear Ruling Globali\$t \$ellout E\$tabli\$hment’\$ Import The World tyranny and to the theoretical notion that more laws will somehow help Americans to end the present Import The World tyranny, it applies in Trump spades:

    法律越多,政府越腐败设立的区域办事处外,我们在美国也开设了办事处,以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“

    • 回复: @Rehmat
  69. woodNfish 说:

    …Trump, with harsh, racially-charged rhetoric, diametrically opposing policy views, and a negligible advertising budget crushed all those prominent national leaders at the ballot box.

    Trump has not made a racist comment in his entire campaign. Nationalism is no racism except to leftists. And when it comes to immigration, Unz is a leftist and a liar. I gave up trying to read this smear article to the end because Unz is full of shit and spews it every chance he gets in this crap read, as when he accuses republicans of being anti-immigrant. That is a lie. What part of “illegal” doesn’t Unz understand? (Oh he understands it perfectly well, but this partisan diatribe rubbish is just more of his immigration spew.) And then there is the terrorist aspect because Trump wants to halt muslim immigration, and the third-world balkanization of the US. Unz can call it racist all he wants, but we know the truth and it is cultural and national, not racial. Fuck your continuoous lying ,Unz, everytime you write about this subject! It’s was old a year ago, now it’s just tiresome.

  70. woodNfish 说:
    @Carlton Meyer

    They are not great ideas and change nothing. Unz doesn’t want any change, he’s a globalist prick who should lose his head like all the other traitors.

    • 回复: @Boris
  71. woodNfish 说:
    @Randal

    A noble effort from a voice of reason.

    If you really think that, you’ve been suckered. This is just more of Unz’s propaganda to do nothing while sounding like he has solutions.

  72. bomag 说:
    @Ron Unz

    The only way to reduce *合法的* immigration is to pass Congressional legislation.

    But this great and grand legislation needs to be enforced by the executive branch. Do you see the problem? Cf. the drug problem, legal and illegal.

    There tends to be a substitution: if you start limiting legal immigration, you start to get more illegal immigration.

    Illegal immigration is judged by most to be the most damaging kind, loaded as it is with those of marginal utility. As pointed out many times, we have available statutes here that are not enforced; fully expect Obama et al to back door in the usual suspects after your grand compromise.

  73. bomag 说:
    @ken

    really did stop having kids circa 1965

    I’ll take a country with fewer people. More for those who remain; options to fill it (if really needed) by a better suited cohort.

  74. @Rurik

    There are plenty of American Indians. They’re still around, protesting the pipeline in the mid west or haven’t you seen the news.

    • 回复: @Rurik
  75. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    I am glad Ron wrote this piece. It is very likely regardless of which candidate wins the immigration issue is going to be negotiated along the lines described here.

    Both candidates are deeply flawed, but of the two Hillary edges him out.

    She is like prune juice, you might hate drinking it, but if don’t you are likely to be stuck with a lot of crap for a few years.

  76. Rehmat 说:
    @OilcanFloyd

    Stop whining over your stupidity moron. If you Whites let Muslims live in peace among western nation – why pro-Israel White donkeys like Donald Trump, Killery Clinton, and the other GOP White creeps are barking on Muslims and Afro-Americans?

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/03/07/donald-trump-a-judas-goat/

    • 回复: @OilcanFloyd
  77. Rehmat 说:
    @Auntie Analogue

    What a B.S. dude.

    Most new immigrants are hired on the posts which the parasite White folks don’t want to work.

    Visit some welfare or unemployment office – and you will find out 80% of the people lined-up for free money – are White Folks.

    When I was volunteering at a Muslim food bank in Toronto – most of the recipients were White Christians. But, don’t mind living in your self-denial.

  78. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    Largely forgotten, but some past thinkers and scribblers maintained that the virtues elicited in men and women by virtue of their membership in a larger group are the most vital and elevating states of being that a human can experience.

    Aristotle would fall into this camp as would Hegel.

    They would point out that being a member of a polity brings to the fore such traits as integrity, sacrifice, trust, forward thinking, dedication, loyalty, bravery, generosity, compassion, public service and so on. Further, they argue that it is impossible for an individual to achieve these heights in a vacuum or as an isolated individual. So, Aristotle famously said, “Man is a social animal” and by social he meant a community in which he personally was known to and could know most of his fellow citizens. So, obviously, Aristotle felt we perform our best when we are part of a community and that such membership in some sense brings out the best in us.

    Is this true, really TRUE? As in, if we are not members of some larger community are we then less worthy human beings because we cannot perform some of the deeds that help us develop a higher character? If it is, then we have lost a great deal. We can look forward to a life of mediocrity.

    Today, we are told that tolerance is the highest virtue. But what if bravery is? What if an undeveloped human cannot mature into an adult specimen unless he has acted bravely on behalf of his fellow citizens? Hegel said that the man who is unwilling to stake his all for a cause will forever be a slave. What if a multicultural society cannot elicit or call forth such loyalty or impassion men and women to that pitch of emotional fervor?

    What if intensity and fervor are not crimes in themselves but rather springboards to greatness? What if patriotism is not the last refuge of scoundrels?

    A man raised under our system of compromise, tolerance and meek acceptance is a compliant, middle-brow nobody about whom the best that can ultimately be written upon his tombstone is “He made no waves in his life” or “He was neither the worst nor the best.”

  79. Rehmat 说:
    @Rurik

    Thanks proving me right dude – your brain is hanging between your legs.

    [更多]

    Now you wants to believe that Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Franz Ferdinand, Gavrilo Princip, the Serbian Jew, etc. were not WHITES but Arabs, who wanted to get rid of White folks from the West in order to establish an Islamic state over the entire Europe – as Jewish Gatestone Institute claims.

    I do admire Stalin for killing seven million Ukrainian Christians while establishing a Jewish state in Soviet Russia.

    https://rehmat1.com/2010/06/13/birobidjan-the-first-jewish-state/

    • 回复: @Rurik
  80. Hacienda 说:
    @Rurik

    What was the payback for whites displacing the Amerindians?

    • 回复: @Rurik
  81. @Rehmat

    Rehmat, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

    There were never more than a few million “aboriginals” living on the territory of the current USA and Canada before Europeans arrived.

    Why stop at your absurd claim of 100-150 million?

    Why not also write about the teeming cities, productive farms, gardens, factories, and infrastructure the aboriginals had, which we destroyed? Oh that’s right, there were none.

    • 回复: @John Jeremiah Smith
  82. Rurik 说:
    @Ron Unz

    the only chance anti-immigration Republicans(C) have of reducing *合法的* immigration is to ally themselves with the pro-immigrant Democrats(A) to defeat the pro-immigration Republicans(B). I have outlined the likely terms of such an alliance..

    as usual provocative and insightful article Mr. Unz.

    for what it’s worth, I just feel you’re perhaps a little naïve when it comes to the sense of racial solidarity vis-à-vis Hispanics in general vs. other races. Blacks and Hispanics (and I don’t have to tell you- Jews) often have a very powerful sense of ethnic solidarity. Especially when it comes to an “other” in their midst. Hispanics will divide themselves among Cuban vs. Mexican vs. Puerto Rican and so on, unless they perceive that they’re threated by blacks or whites, in which case they’ll circle the wagons and protect ‘Latino’ interests.

    But if immigrants themselves have such strong economic reasons to oppose continuing heavy immigration, why in modern America have they almost invariably become leading political opponents of the anti-immigration groups advocating exactly those same policies?

    for the reason I just stated above. Unlike whites, most racial groups are loyal to their racial group as an instinctive, kneejerk imperative. Fill a room with a mix of Hispanics from Brazil and Honduras and Panama and El Salvador and a few others, and watch them bicker, but then add an equal mix of white men from Russia and Canada and England and assorted countries, and they’d coalesce immediately into ‘La Raza’. Just like blacks would do. It’s instinctive and predictable.

    So the politically-fearful white racial-activists who largely dominate the anti-immigration movement naturally believe that Hispanic immigrants are similarly motivated, and that the goal of their leaders is to swamp the country with more of their own background, thereby allowing them to seize political power along ethnic lines. However, there seems little evidence for this…

    I almost feel you’re being disingenuous here. The whole La Raza and Reconquista movements all exist in direct repudiation of that last sentence you wrote there. Just as the blacks of Zimbabwe were and still seem willing to starve or at least suffer much worse hardships than they ever endured under white rule, people will go to great lengths to impose their ethnic and tribal domination over the lands they’re occupying, even up to and including all out war. This has been the history of man since time began. You can tell the Comanche that he enjoys much better living conditions under the largess and benevolence of the white man, than the short, diseased life of hunger and hardship on the plains, but I suspect he’d still prefer to kill every last white man on the continent- to have his lands back, than to subjugation by another race, however gilded the cage.

    This is the whole reason there are burgeoning independence movements all over the place. Catalonia, the Kurds, the Basques, the Ukrainians, even the Libyan and Syrian Islamics who prefer daily horrors to the rule by a man not of their tribe or custom.

    People want and demand-determination. It is a human imperative, and at its most fundamental, it’s tribal/racial.

    • 同意: Kyle McKenna
    • 回复: @L.K
  83. @Rehmat

    >Visit some welfare or unemployment office – and you will find out 80% of the people lined-up for free money – are White Folks.

    >When I was volunteering at a Muslim food bank in Toronto – most of the recipients were White Christians. But, don’t mind living in your self-denial.

    I understand where you’re coming from but a huge reason a lot of poor white people are getting into those kinds of situations is because they were operating on the idea that they could get jobs like their parents’ and grandparents’ generation.

    Poor black people such as angry LA residents who attack stores owned by South and East Asian immigrants, were in the same situation a generation ago. It’s a shitty situation all around though it’s possible for Blacks and Asians to unite against a “legacy of white racism”.

    But ultimately, the problem is about low skilled workers not being able to compete in the economy. When race relations get caught in the mix it becomes an ugly situation and racism is magnified. The same thing happened between the different European immigrants in NYC during the Ellis Island wave of migration.

    If you’re from an immigrant background, you’re used to your parents talking about the hard life in the old country. You’re aware that your standard of living is higher than your parents’. But imagine having parents who were able to buy houses and the latest cars on the salary of one high school graduate. Imagine not being able to keep up and then seeing random immigrants popping up all over the place, with foreign language signs where Joe’s Diner used to be.

    I am totally against racism and nativism. But I can see where it comes from. The problem is figuring out what can be done for folks who have been oppressed by classism for years and years, who feel that their grandparents and great-grandparents were the ones who worked hard in terms of building industrial America in the first place.

    If your grandparents had built a certain village in Mexico, would you not feel that you were entitled to some of the benefits of this village? What if the village became poor and a bunch of Swedes started moving in at the same time? How would you feel about this? Of course you would be aware that race prejudice is wrong. But you would also feel that you deserve a certain standard of living and that the social contract has been broken.

    There are really no easy answers. I understand that this site is a clearinghouse for nativism. But ultimately, the problem is economic and not racial.

    • 回复: @bomag
  84. @Chiquita LeStrange

    So you’re saying that media bias against minorities DOES exist? Wow quite progressive. I’m glad to hear.

    Nope, but I can use smaller words. Let’s see here … Hollywood movies are always 100% historically accurate.

    Darn, still a lot of big words.

    Do you believe the shinola Hollywood pumps out because you can’t read, and you rely on hi-res video as pure truth?

  85. @RadicalCenter

    There were never more than a few million “aboriginals” living on the territory of the current USA and Canada before Europeans arrived.

    约 6 万。

  86. bomag 说:
    @Rehmat

    Obviously, Rehmat is one of our glorious recent immigrants who spends his time criticizing historic America to enough applause that he comes here to lecture us on our faults.

    Everyone in America with the exception of one million aboriginal Americans, is an immigrant.

    The Originals are immigrants also. Otherwise your statement establishes everyone as having an equal claim to the US. Very convenient point for you.

    When occupation became expensive…

    No. There was great opportunity for building a nation, thanks to new inventions and their applications.

    It was these latter immigrants who played a major part in making United States an industrial giant.

    Few deny those contributions. But the contribution is vastly exaggerated today to the point where all immigrants are fetishized as an economic powerhouse that we desperately need lest we not be able to feed ourselves.

    America cannot maintain its industrial growth without foreign labor

    You’re not even trying. Our recent immigrant craze has coincided with an industrial shrinkage. The areas with growth have done so with machine labor. Most immigrants cost more than they contribute. If they were all that you think they are, they could produce in their home countries while creating and feeding a market there.

    • 回复: @OilcanFloyd
    , @Discard
  87. @Ron Unz

    Agree to some extent. When most of the immigrants are low-skilled and come in such great numbers legal vs. illegal is a distinction without a difference. They bring the same problems with them whether they’ve come in through the front door or hopped the border with the help of a coyote.

    We never should have ditched the system we had, i.e. limit immigration to about 250K a year, take almost all from countries that had been the traditional sources of immigrants, and exclude everybody else, with reasonable accommodations made for a handful of exceptional cases.

    Hearing “broken immigration system” mindlessly repeated ad nauseam really grates. Our system isn’t broken, it was deliberately trashed in a spasm of hand wringing liberal guilt over the horrible way we had treated complete strangers in countries thousands of miles away.

  88. @Ron Unz

    (2) Obviously restricting *合法的* immigration cannot be achieved by “Building a Wall!” or “Guarding Our Borders!” Therefore, focusing on those “solutions” is rather silly.

    Take your pick, legal or illegal, there is no difference in effect — you said so yourself. And the effect is a continuing process of the destruction of America.

    How to change it? 1. Stop legal immigration. and 2. Enforce the law. Yes, it is THAT simple.

    Can legal immigration be stopped? Of course not — the government pays no attention whatsoever to what productive Americans have to say — none. The government is corrupt throughout, a pawn of the oligarchs, the MI complex and banks. It’s a done deal. Will the law be enforced? Of course not. Rampant immigration will continue, unabated and uncontrolled, until revolution explodes.

    Personally, I indulge in wishful thinking, but deluded I am not.

  89. It’s sad how Bernie caved on the illegal immigration issue. That could have been 他的 issue. He was very much opposed to amnesty and open borders in 2007. By March 2016, he was being bullied on national television by Jorge Ramos at the Democrat debate and vying with Hillary over who could give away more goodies to the invaders. This isn’t Sanders. He knows better than anyone you can’t have a Swedish welfare state and open borders. It’s madness.

  90. Rurik 说:
    @Rehmat

    Now you wants to believe that Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Franz Ferdinand, Gavrilo Princip, the Serbian Jew, etc. were not WHITES but Arabs,

    no silly

    the world wars you mention were exacerbated and foisted by Zionist Jews and their goyim stooges. Arabs were nothing but cannon fodder and patsies to the intrigues of these dominant men. Just like today. The world wars were fratricidal wars designed to slaughter off the flower of Europa. And that’s exactly what they did.

    in order to establish an Islamic state over the entire Europe

    this, just like the Reconquista of N. America I just mentioned, is an idiotic pipe dream. No one believes it. The only reason the Muslims are flooding into Europe and N. America is to leach off the largess of the West and cavort with white trash slags on crack. (there are of course exceptions, but you aren’t one ; ) And the only reason their able to do so in any numbers whatsoever, are the same reasons they were able to conquer Andalusia. Because of Jewish treachery inside the gates of Spain. Nothing new under the sun it seems.

    I do admire Stalin for killing seven million Ukrainian Christians

    of course you do! Just as you jerk off to newsreels of the Holocaust.

    there’s something very tiresome and predicable about the eternal untermenschen; Their self-loathing butt-hurt for one thing. Their envy. Their impotent rage. Forever frothing and shaking a little clenched fist at the universe for how it created them. It really is no wonder you flail about so in the toxic bile of your petty hatreds and curse your god for what he’s wrought.

    Perhaps you’re beyond redemption, but your not beyond pity. Alas.

  91. bomag 说:
    @Rehmat

    Most new immigrants are hired on the posts which the parasite White folks don’t want to work.

    So White folks are now parasites? Tell you what: you support your parasites; I’ll support mine.

    Most of the hiring “posts” are jobs we could do without or are being eliminated by high tech machines: marginal food service and hotel businesses should be shuttered rather than eek by with scab immigrants; likewise taxis and crop pickers.

    When I was volunteering at a Muslim food bank in Toronto – most of the recipients were White Christians.

    And who, pray tell, built Toronto; the infrastructure for food production and distribution; the transportation and information devices that allows Muslims to immigrate to Canada and set up shop and tell us how we’ve done everything wrong since the beginning of time?

  92. Rurik 说:
    @Hacienda

    What was the payback for whites displacing the Amerindians?

    its going on all over today

    excoriated as “racists” and oppressors

    Affirmative Action, double standards galore, crime, rapes, the joys of ‘diversity’ and ‘celebrate multiculturalism’

    massive immigration of ‘first class’ citizens into their lands to replace them and foist strife and misery

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju79YT_lBVI

  93. Rurik 说:
    @Chiquita LeStrange

    我知道

    and God bless them

    they’re the ONLY group I feel any sense of sympathy for vis-a-vis the white man

    every other group that whines incessantly can go to hell

    Amerindians are a noble people who were f’d over by the white man’s treachery

    • 回复: @bomag
    , @Old fogey
  94. @bomag

    Of course Rehmat, and all the others like him, did not come to North America to live in a wigwam and live off the land, and they fail to explain how their being here benefits American Indians. These people are nothing but a corrosive influence, and should be sent packing yesterday. Why invite trouble?

    • 同意: Nico
  95. Discard 说:
    @Chiquita LeStrange

    A crowd of straw men. Are you saying that Mexico’s inability to secure their southern border has any bearing on their mass migration to the US at the behest of our ruling elites?
    That China’s foreign policy of 500 years ago means that they are not coming here and colonizing town after town?
    That India’s inability to send Hindu paratroopers and Marines to invade us means they are good Americans?

    BTW, you are pretty ill-informed to think that the popular image of Gandhi exemplifies India. They’ve had how many wars with Pakistan?
    For that matter, you’re pretty ill-informed to think that Gandhi was anything but a clever politician. Were he the “Great Soul” of legend, he would not have had such useless parasites for sons.

  96. @Rehmat

    I’ll take that to mean that you don’t see a difference between average whites and the psychopaths who rule over them, and who invite people like you to live here. No wonder so many Muslims support terrorism.

    I’m not going to waste my time reading one of your articles. I’m no Zionist or neocon, but I completely understand that you would gladly ally with both against whites, no matter how many of your fellow Muslims paid the price. That happens all the time.

  97. bomag 说:
    @Chiquita LeStrange

    Don’t get caught up in Rehmat’s trollish moral equivalency. “Whites” have among the lowest rates of welfare usage by ethnic group. Rehmat and his taqiyya brethren are some of the worst abusers of the system.

    A high trust/high cooperation society has historically provided more of what you talk about here. Alas, is is going away under the assault of Rehmat and his hordes.

  98. Mr. Unz -The problem of immigration is not ECONOMIC, it is demographic.

  99. Discard 说:
    @Rehmat

    “…opened the doors for non-White immigrants from Africa and Asia as cheap labor. It ‘were’ these latter immigrants who played a major part in making (the) United States an industrial giant.”

    Wrong. Chinese immigration was outlawed in 1880, IIRC. And there never were that many, and few of them ever made it east of the Mississippi, where almost all the industry was. And the Japanese immigrants were farmers and shopkeepers and remained so until after WW2.

    Wrong again. With the end of slavery, there was no immigration from Africa. The immigration of the later 19th Century was European. How can you be so ignorant? Let me guess…College?

  100. Discard 说:
    @bomag

    Bomag, you missed a phrase of Rehmat’s. These “latter immigrants” he writes of are, he claims, from Asia and Africa. Apparent Ellis Island was filled with Blacks and Chinese, not Jews, Italians, and Slavs.

    I deny the contributions of Orientals and Blacks to America’s industrial growth.

  101. jackson 说:

    Google the terms “Mexican drug gang torture” and check out the many video hits to see how incredibly similar Swedes and Mexicans really are.

  102. bomag 说:
    @Rurik

    Amerindians are a noble people who were f’d over by the white man’s treachery

    A) Nobility can be crippling.

    B) Amerindians are ascribed more nobility than they probably deserve.

    C) Amerindians were on the way out, regardless. Urban trumps rural; Bantus push out Bushmen. If you play it back without “white man’s treachery”, you’d get the same result.

    • 回复: @Rurik
  103. Excellent ideas, that offer a genuine possibility that this toxic issue can be quickly and decently resolved.

    However, a high minimum wage has unintended consequences. It will attract illegal immigrants who are willing to work for less, and it will give unscrupulous employers a strong incentive to hire them. I do not see an alternative to the border wall.

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  104. artichoke 说:
    @KenH

    It’s better to face such an insurgency from a position of a strong position in society. In fact it’s best of the blacks and whites are both better off, then they can be more independent and have racial self esteem on both sides. From such a position, a deal is possible.

    But before loving someone else, it’s necessary to love oneself. We’re not there at the moment.

  105. Ron Unz 说:
    @James N. Kennett

    However, a high minimum wage has unintended consequences. It will attract illegal immigrants who are willing to work for less, and it will give unscrupulous employers a strong incentive to hire them. I do not see an alternative to the border wall.

    Actually, I’ve been writing for five years now regarding the impact of a high minimum wage on illegal immigration, and I think my reasoning is pretty sound.

    The key thing is that hiring illegal immigrants is regarded as a “victimless crime” by most elites and much of the public, along with the MSM, judges, and liberals, hence enforcement laws are very weak. Pro-immigrant Democrats will join with pro-immigration Republicans to keep them weak.

    However, underpaying workers, legal or otherwise, is NOT regarded as a victimless crime by almost anyone. Hence, *极其* harsh enforcement penalties would be supported by liberals, union-leaders, the MSM, and pro-immigrant Democrats, together with anti-immigration Republicans.

    Suppose, for example, that underpaying workers were classified as “felony wage theft,” punishable by maybe a five-year prison sentence. Once the first employer went to prison for five years, all the other employers would decide that trying to save a couple of dollars an hour just wasn’t worth the risk.

    Judges who sent such greedy employers to prison would be praised by the NYT, very much unlike any judges who try to enforce illegal immigration laws.

    Having the MSM enthusiastically supporting your policies makes it much easier to have them enforced.

    https://www.unz.com/article/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/#escaping-the-low-wage-society

  106. Rurik 说:
    @bomag

    Amerindians are ascribed more nobility than they probably deserve.

    也许

    I realize they were savages and, at times unspeakably cruel, oftentimes to their own women

    but they also lived on this continent for tens of thousands of years without destroying it and poisoning it out of mindless, infinite greed. They seemed to possess a deep and abiding respect for the fellow living things they shared the Earth with, and even had respect for their enemies.

    their reverence for wolves and eagles and other magnificent wonders of nature (or God’s creation of whatever you want to call it) are something the white man woefully lacks in his greed-based soul.

    perhaps most of all, with all the shrill and badgering and incessant whining and kvetching and crybaby whining of certain 其他少数民族, about slavery, Holocaust, slavery, Holocaust, slavery!!!, Holocaust !!! …. ad infinitum, until you’re so sick to death of their red-faced scolding demands for more and more and eternally more… demands upon you, and for nothing that anyone alive had anything whatsoever to do with…. !!!!

    any minority that doesn’t relentlessly remind you of a rotten spoiled brat who is 决不 satisfied, begins to look like a saint by comparison.

    plus, I just seem to like those people when I meet them

    they have a kind of ‘anima’ or spirituality that I seem to resonate with

    a sort of congenital contempt for so-called corporal “authority”

    perhaps I was one in a past life, don’t know..

    • 回复: @jackson
    , @bomag
    , @dfordoom
  107. @Carlton Meyer

    ……and all those illegals will leave rather than take a \$15/hr job ????

  108. bomag 说:
    @Rurik

    they also lived on this continent for tens of thousands of years without destroying it and poisoning it out of mindless, infinite greed. They seemed to possess a deep and abiding respect for the fellow living things they shared the Earth with, and even had respect for their enemies.

    One of the perks of a slower way of life is that you have fewer reasons to hate your enemy; if you have one person per square mile or less, there is more to go around and more places to escape; magnanimity comes a little easier under those circumstances.

    But “mindless, infinite greed” has become the strategy du jour on the globe; needed to cram seven billion people on this fragile rock, with more coming to a place near you soon. Under those circumstances, it is more likely that the aggressive, complaining scam artist carries the day.

  109. Rurik 说:
    @jackson

    the Mayans did themselves in

    yea, well .. they were acting like the white man

    worshiping ‘Gods’ with mortal representatives making human sacrifices

    just like the white man. Amassing gold and slaves and such

    humans are best when they’re closest to nature and each other (with defined borders), and farthest from deities (and their human representatives on earth) that demand human sacrifices

  110. bomag 说:
    @Ron Unz

    However, underpaying workers, legal or otherwise, is NOT regarded as a victimless crime by almost anyone. Hence, *极其* harsh enforcement penalties would be supported by liberals, union-leaders, the MSM, and pro-immigrant Democrats, together with anti-immigration Republicans.

    I don’t see that support materializing. We are trained to see sub-minimum wage as a way to give something to an immigrant who otherwise would be starving to death under extreme torture in his home country. Plus, people like to give things to businesses, and it is the usual painless giveaway to turn a blind eye to underpaying immigrants in fields that don’t affect most people, except to lower the cost of roofing and yardwork.

  111. Realist 说:

    All immigration should be stopped. With the possible exception of of those with an IQ of 130 or greater.

    I can only surmise that Ron is doing this for gain in his political run.

  112. Boris 说:
    @woodNfish

    They are not great ideas and change nothing. Unz doesn’t want any change, he’s a globalist prick who should lose his head like all the other traitors.

    Thank you. I scour the internet for bits of impotent anger from the alt right and this is getting printed out on some glossy paper and placed in a prominent spot in my collection. C’est magnifique!

    • 回复: @OilcanFloyd
  113. @Boris

    Everything comes to an end, Boris. Do you believe that the current situation where whites are content with being everyone’s whipping boy, both literally and figuratively, will last forever? There is already lots of racial and political violence (mostly directed at whites) in the U.S. Eventually whites outside of prisons will join the fray. Do you believe that America will last another 200 years?

  114. And it’s not just impoverished Latinos flooding northward, from my blog:

    Sep 6, 2016 – Africans Cross Mexico

    I few weeks ago, I posted a story about thousands of Africans entering Latin America and heading north. Now read this:

    Mexico issuing transit visas to African migrants flocking to U.S.-Mexico border

    http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2016/09/03/mexican-immigration-officials-issue-visas-after-surge-african-migrants/

    I wish the Trump campaign would discover this issue. International agreements are that refugees are granted refugee by the first nation they reach. But Latin American nations are shooing them north, and Mexico is doing this openly. Imagine if our Border Patrol loaded them on buses and took them to the Canadian border. I’d turn them away at the border or put them on an airplane back home ASAP. The USA needs to end this illegal migration racket now! Put the US Army back on our border!

    http://www.g2mil.com/border.htm

    ______________________________

    And once they succeed, e-mails shoot home and millions will head across the South Atlantic. Mexico might set up a full-time bus shuttle system for them. A newer post:

    [更多]

    Oct 1, 2016 – Violent Immigrant Invaders

    Our corporate media has begun to censor stories that involve immigrant violence, because such reality supports Trump’s claims. Our media provided heavy coverage of the shopping mall shooting in Washington state, but most refused to report that the crazed killer was an obnoxious Muslim from Turkey with lots of guns at home. And the crazy black guy shot by police in California turned out to be an illegal immigrant from Uganda with a long criminal record who ICE tried to deport twice, but our State Department refused to arrange travel. This fact was mostly ignored by our media, although ABC News reported it.

    Obama’s team pretends that they can’t deport dangerous criminals because some nations will not accept their own citizens! Yet no effort is made to pressure these nations diplomatically or with sanctions to force them to cooperate. In the case of defenseless nations like Haiti and Uganda, we can just fly a planeload of dangerous criminals to a neighboring country, or one of our dozen new military bases in Africa, and then use a helicopter to dump them off. This topic would be a news story of great interest, and I hope Trump speaks about this to see if Clinton agrees that something must be done.

  115. Cyrano 说:

    At first Americans tried to prove to the world how great they are by being mean – slavery, then they tried to prove how great they are by trying to be nice – multiculturalism. The third and final chapter in the saga is going to be multigalacticism. It’s going to work like this: NASA is already probing the space for alien life. Once they find it – they’ll invite them to immigrate to US, thus finally, once and for all they’ll be able to get an objective and unbiased feedback from the space aliens about what a truly great people Americans are.

  116. Stealth 说:
    @Trelane

    I’m a pro-white white guy, but the loss of blue eyes, red hair, and ultra-fair skin doesn’t bother me in the least. It’s all just melanoma and macular degeneration waiting to happen.

    I happen to be in possession of two and a half of those (red facial hair), and it’s no picnic to know that being caught in the sun for a few hours would result in third degree burns.

    • 回复: @Trelane
  117. Mr. Unz, I think that you diagnose the illness very well, but a major flaw in your argument is that while it may be true that recent immigrants compete with more established immigrants and thus drive down wages, I don’t think that they necessarily perceive this fact – or at least it is not the primary concern in terms of how they view the immigration issue. Since the United States is much more Balkanized than in the past, I think support for continued immigration by recent immigrants is motivated by a desire to augment their numbers in the United States in order to out-compete other ethnic groups and acquire more social and political power. A domestic community of 40,000 Narnians is an afterthought; a domestic community of 250,000 Narnians probably elects an ethnic-Narnian Congressman and has its support solicited by Governors and Senators, etc.

    • 回复: @Discard
  118. Trelane 说:
    @Stealth

    Blue eyes are a marker for N. European ancestry.

    It was once thought that blue eyes imparted some naturally selected advantage, e.g., better vision in a snow covered landscape. But this is doubtful since Nikkor and Carl Zeiss camera lenses don’t seem to work better when painted blue. The trait of blue eyes is probably a sexually selected trait, not naturally selected.

    Northern European ancestry is disappearing rapidly in America. Now do you understand the point that was made?

  119. Discard 说:
    @Alec Leamas

    True. The Armenians of Glendale have already got themselves a Congressman agitating for anti-Turkish policies.

  120. Anonymous [AKA "Danny k."] 说:

    My only problem with this article: Hispanics are mostly Caucasian, and they also share a European cultural influence.

  121. JohnDough 说:

    Thanks for the thoughtful article and as always thanks for the great web site Mr. Unz!

    I live in Los Angeles and from what I’ve seen the concept of allowing illegal immigration and even allowing a sanctuary city is a mess. I agree with other posters that illegal means well, illegal. The downward pressure on wages and job competition is awful. Add to that a distinct and separate cash and tax free economy and that’s real trouble for the legal, honest, and decent citizens. With cash there are no labor laws, no minimum wage, no scrutiny by the EDD, no need to provide Obamacare, or other social services and tremendous profits!

    Cash businesses also have an advantage because they don’t have to pay sales tax at 9% or other wage taxes at 17%, those alone are a tremendous savings in competitive bidding! This has put destructive pressure on legal business and makes them not able to compete in bids financially. On paper many individuals and families have very low or no income which then opens up social services for them which they are not paying any taxes for. This is housing, roads, schools, food, healthcare, etc. And here we’re talking about billions of tax free money for decades in illicit profits and illicit use of social services!

    The other thing I look at with immigration is how things are going in the EU. We see the same there. In what is actually and in fact the indigenous home of whites, elites have opened the flood gates of third world illegal immigration under the guise of refugees which of course some are but most are economic migrants created by western wars in their regions of Africa and the Middle East. The EU isn’t even sure where many come from. Europe is being flooded with so many social upheaval is assured.

    When people try to defend their culture and communities they are denounced as right wing and the ever abused word “racists.” Unfortunately this points to ruling global elites that seek to destroy and undermine European people’s power in both the US and EU. It is a Balkanization, a divide and conquer move for cheap profits and social engineering to remove any obstacles that would have the cohesive strength to unseat them from positions of power.

    The problem isn’t the immigration laws of the US. The problem is that they haven’t been enforced and why is that so! Time for the 1% to be read the riot act.

    • 回复: @Old fogey
  122. TWS 说:
    @Chiquita LeStrange

    And you’re lying. I am only projecting into the future. If you knew anything about history you would know not every invasion is resisted by the powers that be. And they all end disastrously.

    History is full of examples of invasions either being invited or accepted by the powers that be in that nation and the nation then suffering or disappearing.

    The nation I was born in is gone. Is that temporary? Doubtful but maybe. Is there a chance to bring something like it back? Yes clearly but only if we have the will. Something you clearly lack. Or perhaps you think a multiethnic empire is to be desired? Those require strong central governments with draconian controls to keep the different groups in line along with bribes to the leaders of those groups to keep a lid on things.

    I for one do not welcome General Tito or Stalin running the country I am living in.

  123. @jim jones

    But woudn’t enforcement be easy if anyone really wanted it? Requiring proof that all the employees on the job at any given time were being paid the minimum wage would be the starting point.

  124. Mark F. 说:

    Any legislation that can get through Congress , regardless of whether we have a President Trump or a President Clinton, is going to have to be a “grand compromise ” including stuff you really don’t like. Welcome to the real world, not the Trumpkin fantasy one.

  125. @Ron Unz

    2) Obviously restricting *合法的* immigration cannot be achieved by “Building a Wall!” or “Guarding Our Borders!” Therefore, focusing on those “solutions” is rather silly

    There is a valid point in there, but you miss the most important factor. Building a wall would be of tremendous symbolic importance for all European based countries. It would be a statement in the strongest possible terms that we have the moral right and the moral 责任 to defend our borders (i.e. to exist … as Trump has pointed out, “if you can’t defend your borders you don’t have a country.”)

    • 回复: @John Jeremiah Smith
  126. JohnDough 说:

    Also as far as doing this legally I think that’s not a possibility. Just remember Netanyahu’s 29 standing ovations while addressing Congress. Any wonder as to why this is and how he got elected and why those people are sitting in those positions? It’s common knowledge what one minority group, and a white one at that supports open borders and both legal and illegal immigration for formerly Christian white countries but not their own cultural state. Here’s a cartoon to illustrate:

  127. Ron, I like you, and I love what you are doing, and I wish you well in your political ambitions, but you are a little naïve.

    “Most of the powerful, immigrant-focused groups within the Democratic coalition are primarily concerned with the well-being of 现有 immigrants, whether legal or illegal, and have only a secondary interest in future levels of immigration.”

    This is false. Unless by “existing” you mean that they are concerned with the phony “right” of existing immigrants to bring in endless numbers of their supposed extended family through chain-migration. But then this is a distinction without a difference. But I still think it is 表面上 假。

    At the bottom of your article, the feature-promoting software brought up Derb’s article about why Jennifer Rubin and Brett Stephens oppose Trump’s immigration limits. Derb is as delicate as possible as he concludes that they just have some kind of unconscious or semiconscious ethnic atavism against the dwindling majority. And it is hard to disagree. People like Jennifer Rubin and Brett Stephens are very well represented in the pro-immigration media and politics. (Actually “pro-immigration” is redundant as all media and all political donors (and therefore non-billionaire politicians) are pro-immigration.) There is no level of immigration they will ever be satisfied with. So, no, “the powerful, immigrant-focused groups within the Democratic coalition are” 不是 “primarily concerned with the well-being of 现有 immigrants”. In fact they don’t really give a plop about them once they’ve dumped them on our shores. They just turn around and look for ways to bring more. They don’t care about crime, overcrowding, environmental damage, degraded health care or any of the other things that would interest people who were actually concerned about existing inhabitants.

    Similarly naïve,

    “The obvious explanation has been the extreme heavy-handedness of many on the anti-immigration side, who have often resorted to crude ethnic attacks or unwarranted vilification in making their case.”

    Seriously? I guess you haven’t noticed several decades of 24/7 demonization and Orwellian hate-focussing on the native-born founding stock. Or several decades of legally enforced discrimination against the native-born founding stock.

    Is it the Dem coalition or the anti-immigration collation who has wall-to-wall media for fictitious news and newsy fiction where the villains are always native whites while the noble victims are always the Other? Is it part of the Dem coalition or the anti-immigrant coalition that burns and loots cities while openly calling for killing law officers? Is it the Dem coalition or the anti-immigration coalition who ruthlessly suppresses dissent, shouting down any criticism and ensuring the social ostracism, career death, and if possible, the actual death, of any dissenters? Who is “heavy-handed” again?

    Sadly, the anti-immigration coalition will probably not realize its goals until it adopts the pitiless tactics that have served the Dem coalition so well. That’s not what I–nor anyone I know on the alt-right–wanted, but it is what the Dem coalition has chosen. To adapt Sherman, “Ruthlessness is the remedy our enemy has chosen. Let us give them all they want.”

    That said, I would actually support a “grand bargain” along the lines you describe. But it won’t happen. And not because of the anti-immigrationists. It won’t happen for the reasons outlined above. The Dem coalition are fanatics. They’ve gotten everything they want and more by not compromising. They won’t start now. Even if they say they will, they are lying as every previous “compromise” with them has shown.

  128. Several commenters have made well reasoned criticisms of our host’s proposal. For instance, when first I read Mr Unz’ assertion that raising the minimum wage was a clever way for the right to reduce immigration my very first thought was, “that’s just extraordinarily naive”. I simply do not believe that there is any deal the Left would not make in order to legalize the 30 million illegals, nor any deal they will not break as soon as said legalization is accomplished. Minimum wage enforcement? Let us be very careful lest enforcement becomes a tool for the further marginalization of already hard pressed communities victimized by racism and bigotry. And so scarce enforcement resources will be concentrated on the most egregious cases of corporate abuse by Fortune 500 firms and state and local governments, and churches- not squandered on small businesses which provide so many of the paychecks for our struggling immigrant communities.

    I should very much enjoy reading Mr Unz response to these criticisms, although I have to admit that I equally enjoy the pissed off Unz Reality show character who calls us all stupid and puts paid to his argument.

  129. @Tim Howells

    Building a wall would be of tremendous symbolic importance for all European based countries.

    When it comes to spending \$20B dollars for a symbol, count me out.

    • 回复: @Tim Howells
  130. @Ron Unz

    Suppose, for example, that underpaying workers were classified as “felony wage theft,” punishable by maybe a five-year prison sentence. Once the first employer went to prison for five years, all the other employers would decide that trying to save a couple of dollars an hour just wasn’t worth the risk.

    This too is an excellent idea, but it is necessary to think of the exceptions. How would a criminal or a lawyer work around the new system? For example, the pool guy who works at five homes might become a self-employed contractor, if this would exempt his clients from minimum wage laws.

    Even if the problem could be entirely recast as “felony wage theft”, I would not count on the unqualified support of the MSM. Perhaps the NYT writer employs a nanny, but cannot afford to pay the minimum wage, so she hires a Colombian illegal. It would not surprise me if everyone at the NYT knows someone who does this, so they will feel personally conflicted about the idea of “felony wage theft”.

    I believe that your proposals are worthwhile in their own right, but I think that to substantially reduce illegal immigration there is no substitute for a physical barrier.

  131. Reg Cæsar 说:
    @Rehmat

    The histories I trust were written before Daniel Pipes was born.

  132. Old fogey 说:
    @Rurik

    The Indians were killed off mainly by disease, not by military action. The Europeans had some immunity to diseases that the Indians had never experienced before the arrival of the newcomers.

    • 回复: @CalDre
    , @Rurik
  133. Old fogey 说:
    @JohnDough

    The problem of newcomers coming to this country illegally and not paying attention to the local laws and customs, and not paying the proper amount in taxes is felt all over the country. I live in Westchester County, some 25 miles north of New York City. Between the 2000 and 2010 census the number of Hispanics in my zip code increased by 20 percent. On my street there are single-family houses that have four families living in them, and we now have to pick-up garbage thrown out of passing cars – something that was unheard of when we moved here 30 years ago. A Guatemalan neighbor was explaining to me in all seriousness how awful it was that illegal people without proper social security numbers had to pay social security tax using fictitious numbers, since those payments would not be considered toward their social security benefits when they retired (assuming that by that point they would be given citizenship). He complained that all the illegals here received no benefits at all for the taxes they paid. I reminded him that his two sons were educated through high school in the United States at no cost to him, and that many of his American-born neighbors – some with no children or whose children were fully grown – were paying \$20,000/year in school taxes.

    • 回复: @Chiquita LeStrange
  134. CalDre 说:
    @Boris

    If labor costs go up, then prices go up. =

    Not necessarily, the profits of the predator class may simply decline.

    Moreover, for the working class (i.e., 90% of society), increased prices would be compensated by their increased income.

    During the industrial revolution, there were no minimum wages or working hour limitations, with the result that workers worked 16 hours per day for barely enough money to survive in decrepit conditions. Sure, everything was “cheap”, but even at that price, workers couldn’t afford any of it. Henry Ford famously paid his employees a higher wage so they could afford to buy his product.

  135. CalDre 说:
    @Old fogey

    Yeah, I’m sure if the illegally immigrating Mexicans brought diseases with them that killed off 90% of Euro-Amiercans you’d be all good with it, because, you know, diseases.

  136. @Maj. Kong

    The immigration battle cannot be solved without an end to state-sponsored Cultural Marxism.

    Agreed, Cultural Marxism is the key, although I’d point out that Cultural Marxism is as much corporate-sponsored as state-sponsored. There was a time when the purpose of Cultural Marxism was to prepare the way for the Glorious Socialist Revolution. Nowadays the purpose of Cultural Marxism is to promote the interests of global capitalism.

    • 回复: @unpc downunder
  137. @Chet Roman

    Is it a coincidence that globalization and the flood of unskilled illegal immigrants have emerged simultaneously and only served to weaken and fragment the working and middle class while strengthening the deep state’s control of power?

    No coincidence at all.

  138. @Rurik

    but they also lived on this continent for tens of thousands of years without destroying it and poisoning it out of mindless, infinite greed. They seemed to possess a deep and abiding respect for the fellow living things they shared the Earth with

    They completely wiped out most of the megafauna. So much for their deep and abiding respect for the fellow living things.

  139. @John Jeremiah Smith

    Oh the wall will very directly and in practical terms save hundreds or thousands of American lives and billions of dollars (net) in welfare handouts, education and medical care. I said that the 最重要的 factor was symbolic, or psychological, and global in scope. In case you haven’t noticed we are massively engaged in a cultural and psychological struggle that we cannot afford to lose.

  140. 亲移民民主党人和反移民共和党人的联盟最终可以解决我们破碎的制度

    Oh, really? I’m supposed to believe that more centralized top down dictates will improve things?

    Here’s another (better) view, from Butler Shaffer.:

    “Does a vertically-structured, centrally-directed, pyramidal model reflect the way nature is organized, such that the conscious incorporation of that principle into the design of human social systems will produce the desired orderly patterns observed in the rest of the universe?

    And if… this long-standing social paradigm is causally connected with the rampantly destructive, anti-life nature of the institutional order, is there an alternative archetype that would better serve humanity? Is there an underlying dynamic here that might provide the basis for a major paradigm shift away from the failed and destructive traditional social model premised on the idea of the order being imposed from above?

    The failures of collective, vertically-structured, institutional systems to provide their promised social order are abundant.”

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/10/butler-shaffer/fundamentally-anti-human/

  141. Rurik 说:
    @Old fogey

    The Indians were killed off mainly by disease, not by military action.

    hoping that this is all on topic, and considering that this thread deals with immigration, (and the consequences and challenges of such).. I suppose the Amerindians and their experiences with mass-immigrations of a different race of people into their lands- presents a sort of case and point for us today.

    The indigenous people of the N. American continent did not fare well when the white man arrived in significant numbers. Sometimes they were friendly and were traded with, sometimes they were hostile and wiped out the white newcomers. But when the white man achieved sufficient numbers, and the Indians found it untenable to assimilate, the white man proceeded to drive these people from their lands. They often used guile and treachery and deceit to do so. And when the ‘Indians’ grew wise to the white man’s ‘forked tongue’, and resisted his demands to move further and always further West, then the white man simply massacred them in their villages. Or he forced them on death marches into the scrub and eventually even wiped out his food supply; the buffalo.

    It was a genocide, and that’s what happens when a people are unable or unwilling to prevent a competing race (or races) of people to supplant them in their lands. (are you listening white man?)

    这是对澳大利亚原住民所做的,对今天的津巴布韦白人和巴勒斯坦阿拉伯人也是如此。

    If you allow a distinct race to gain supremacy over yours (either demographically or militarily or both), then your people simply aren’t going to fare well. Think the Serbs of Kosovo, who allowed Albanian Muslim immigration until the prolific Muslims were a majority. Soon the Serbs were being slaughtered on their farms and driven out of their ancient lands. In many parts of Miami you’d be hard pressed to find a non-Hispanic white person. They’ve been ethnically cleansed by a massive influx of Latinos, and have been pushed out.

    there is something referred to in a poem by Rudyard Kipling called the Gods of the Copybook Headings

    http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_copybook.htm

    that I suspect applies when it come to immigration of a foreign people into your lands and people’s preference for ignoring the inevitable by pretending reality doesn’t really exist. I’m also reminded of something Ayn Rand said..

    “我们可以忽略现实,但是我们不能忽略忽视现实的后果。”

  142. nsa 说:

    Anyone care to guess the age of consent in Mexico? 12! So there you go…..a crime ridden narco state with a rape culture (rarely even investigated) and legalized pedophilia. The lefties love this kind of sicko diversity degeneracy and would love to move it up here.

    • 回复: @L.K
  143. @Old fogey

    >\$20,000/year in school taxes.

    This isn’t a 1040 income tax. This is property tax that you pay whether you’re a renter or homeowner – regardless of your passport color.

    • 回复: @bomag
  144. Ingot9455 说:

    You can’t have a compromise with people who don’t compromise.

    It’s always been ‘amnesty for enforcement’ – we get the amnesty but we never get the enforcement.

    So that’s done. No deals, grand or otherwise, no compromises, grand or otherwise, until all promises of the past are made good.

    When the 60 million illegals are down to less than 5 million, we can talk about grand compromises.

    • 回复: @L.K
  145. L.K 说:
    @nsa

    ‘nsa’

    Anyone care to guess the age of consent in Mexico? 12! …a crime ridden narco state with a rape culture

    Spain, Mexico’s former colonial ruler, had, until 1999, an age of consent of 12. This was raised to 13 until new legislation in 2015 raised it again to 16.

    In Germany it is 14.

    So, do u think that Spain, until 2015, had a rape culture? After all, you are basing your foolish comment on Mexico’s age of consent, no?

  146. edNels [又名“ geoshmoe”] 说:
    @edNels

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/improving-comment-threads/

    [Using two different handles to pretend you’re two different individuals, with entirely different views and commenting style, is absolutely prohibited here. The jig is up and all your comments will soon get merged under a single handle, making you look ridiculous and totally dishonest.]

    wrong. Sverige o Norge are more like 15 million..That was a typo…However I wonder how that would work, if Scandihoovians couls break loose from their midnight son… and go to a sunny clime.. other than Canary… where I did go… I was there, I swam with the sharks.. Idrove a renta car all around that Gran Canariy… I saw the dry side, and the wet side…really interesting that how the clouds come in on (little cats feet… over the harber etc…)

    Hey you guys need to develop some sense of humor… That is what is sorly laking here Ron!

  147. L.K 说:
    @Ingot9455

    No problem with the point you made, but the ’60 million illegals’, well, that is BS right?

    I’ve found no valid data for even half that number.

  148. L.K 说:
    @Rurik

    嘿鲁里克,

    Latin America is far from the monolithic creature you Americans seem to think it is, Demographics included.
    Your example lumping together Brazil with Central American ‘Hispanics’ is quite telling of this ignorance.
    Brazil is not even generally considered ‘hispanic’, given that it was not a Spanish colony but a Portuguese one.
    The different language and culture means the country is actually pretty insulated from its spanish speaking neighbors.
    Furthermore, whereas the Central American countries you mentioned are not very racially/ethnically diverse, featuring largely Mestizo populations, Brazil does have a huge white population – mostly of Southern European extraction, but also Germans & Eastern Euros – as well as West Asians – from Lebanon/Syria – and East Asians(mostly Japanese, largest Jap diaspora in the World).

    The Portuguese make up the majority of whites in Brazil, but the country is home to the 2nd largest German diaspora(after Zusa) in the world, with some 7/8 million people, as well as the largest Italian one, 2nd largest Polish diaspora, 4th largest Ukranian & many smaller groups. With the exception of the Portuguese descendants, who can be found troughout the country, most other groups are heavily concentrated in parts of the Southeastern & Southern regions.
    German-brazilians in the south-eastern state of Espirito Santo.

    The Oktoberfest in Blumenau(South of Brazil), the largest in Brazil and one of the largest in the world, attracting as many as 1 million people from all over the country.

    Grape Party in Caxias do Sul, a city inhabited largely by people of Northern Italian descent.

    Anyways, ‘Hispanic’, or ‘Latino’ for that matter, are not valid racial or ethnic classifications, IMO.
    Obviously that in the US, given their main countries of origin and social class, they tend to be Mestizos.
    ‘Hispanic’ countries also may be quite different from one another.
    Argentina and Uruguay have white majorities, and very heavily european influenced cultures. I know both countries.
    On the other hand, other South American countries, such as Peru and Bolívia, are largely amerindian and mestizo, with only small or relatively small white minorities.

    As far as ‘Hispanics’ in America go, Mexicans far outnumber any other group, accounting for some 64% of said population. The 5 following national groups, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Salvadorans, Dominicans & Guatemalans, all put together, add up to only 20%.
    Interesting to note that some nationalities have done better than others;
    Puerto Ricans seem to have done poorly while Cubans have done quite well. Cubans do better than all other ‘hispanics’ and, for those who are US born, a little better even than non-hispanic whites, it seems.
    例如:

    “In contrast, U.S.-born Cuban Americans have a higher median income than even non-Hispanic whites, \$50,000 as compared to \$48,000 for non-Hispanic whites.[31]
    “39% of U.S.-born Cuban Americans have a college degree or higher, as compared to only 30% of non-Hispanic whites.[31]”

    I don’t know for sure, but possibly the Cuban immigrants have come from somewhat better backgrounds? Also, many Cubans r white, though most americans don’t seem to understand that.

    保重

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  149. Nico 说:

    Not surprisingly, Ron Unz once again spills far too much ink to trot out what should be a clear but wrongheaded idea: that the solution to the U.S.’s immigration nightmare lies in a re-enactment of the 1986 idiocy. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

    More generally, the problem with “nice guys” like Unz – and let the record state that I *做* appreciate Unz, however much I disagree with and am exasperated by some of his writing – is in their search for a middle ground of civic civility in a country which is not only ideologically but also ethically polarized. The left is more bald-faced and shameless than ever and is not frequentable, and anyone decent is doomed to extinction unless he is willing to get in the mud and fight. Unz and his ilk cannot do much good for the simple reason that they won’t accept that they cannot speak truth and make the left like them. It doesn’t work that way.

    As far as racial polarization goes, it’s too late to avoid a dangerous situation because it’s already here. Assimilation of the sort that took place in Latin America and Réunion is a non starter in the present conditions: there is no civic force like the Catholic Church of old or the haciendas and in any case the left will not tolerate any grounded civic pride which imposes one culture as “superior” to another. They do however have hatred of straight white cis Christians aka KKKrazy glue holding together their coalition of the fringes.

    至于:

    But suppose so many millions of Swedes poured across the borders into our southern neighbor that within just a few decades Mexico City had become majority Swedish, while much of the rest of that country were following a somewhat similar trajectory. Under such circumstances, severe political problems would surely arise, perhaps even endangering social stability.

    Realistically, the only potential social danger is that the Swedes become successful enough to attract the jealousy and become targets of poorer Mexicans who are rallied by a Marxist demagogue. Until that happens they are likely to be quite a salutary economic and societal force, and though they would cut out some noticeably Swedish “turf” they would speak fluent Spanish when venturing to the general areas, much like Anglo-Argentines.

    Remember that after their countries gained independence from Spain and Portugal the policy of the criollos was to whiten their populations by attracting European immigrants. They weren’t especially successful in this venture outside the Southern Cone – and even where they did succeed they tended to attract more Spaniards and Italians than the Britons, Germans and Nordics they had hoped for* – but where they were successful their economies and societies definitely rose a good cut above the colonial era.

    * I am not, for my part, a “Nordicist” but it is nevertheless true that 19th- and early 20th-century elite Western thought placed higher value on Northern than on Southern European stock, and this was true even of upper-brow Southern Europeans. Even nowadays the “Swedish system” remains the darling of the mainstream intelligentsia, though they have convinced themselves it has nothing to do with race.

  150. Nico 说:
    @Rehmat

    When occupation became expensive, the European opened the doors for non-White immigrants from Africa and Asia as cheap labor. It were these latter immigrants who played a major part in making United States an industrial giant.

    谢谢你早上的笑声。

  151. Rurik 说:
    @L.K

    嘿,LK,

    thanks for the excellent videos. I enjoyed them and didn’t realize the extent of German culture down there.

    Latin America is far from the monolithic creature you Americans seem to think it is, Demographics included.
    Your example lumping together Brazil with Central American ‘Hispanics’ is quite telling of this ignorance.

    I’m actually far more aware of these nuances that you’d think LK. Certainly far more aware than most Americans, and probably most citizens of Latin America as well. I’m somewhat well traveled, and have been to several South and Central American countries as well as the Caribbean, (D.R.) and even Cuba, where I spent a week touring the joint and absorbing the élan. (Or Elian – as was the case when I was down there. His picture was everywhere. Part of the “Patria’ by then. He is known in the Miami Cuban community as ‘el hijo del mar’, or ‘the boy (or the son) from the sea’. He’s even sort of a religious figure, as his uncle’s name was Lazarus. Very powerful stuff for the Cubans, who’ve reverted back to Catholicism with a vengeance in some parts. When I was in Cuba there were more billboards of Elian than of Castro or Che put together.
    And I know well certain areas where this kind of diversity is rampant, like S. Florida for instance, where I’ve stayed and even lived.

    Brazil is not even generally considered ‘hispanic’, given that it was not a Spanish colony but a Portuguese one.
    The different language and culture means the country is actually pretty insulated from its spanish speaking neighbors.

    well that is basically what I said. That when these groups are left to their own devices, they’re distinct. And even competitive. Kind of like the different branches of the military. The Marines and Army special forces look down on the Navy and Air force as fags. And the Air force looks down on the Marines as goons. But give them a common enemy and they coalesce as one.

    One thing I noticed when traveling in Latin America is the refreshing lack of racism. For a Cuban or a Dominican, they were all Cubans or Dominicans first, and only black or white or brown in a secondary, rather insignificant way. There seemed to be almost zero hostility, and being an American, I found that amazingly refreshing.

    You see here in America we have all been carefully marinated in a 24/7 hate fest of Hollywood, msm, instituted deliberate racial hostility. We’re scolded relentlessly how evil the white man is for enslaving the black man. We’re reminded of the terrible price the Indians paid and how all white people are all personally guilty for every single bit of it. You can be like myself and just laugh at it all, and see the man behind the curtain frantically pulling all the levers and turning all the dials to maximize racial tension, but that doesn’t change the fact that for most people, they’re firmly in the firmament of our cultural, synthetic matrix ‘reality’. And so they have that chip carefully placed on their shoulders and go around filled with racial animus. It’s a terrible shame, but it’s all cynically foisted upon us for the greater good of our elites, who find it amusing and advantageous to have us all at each other’s throats.

    People move here from Brazil and Puerto Rico and Honduras and may get here with a fondness for white people in general. But it doesn’t take long at all to see the advantages of ganging up on him and demanding that he genuflect to 所有 people of color! It doesn’t matter where they come from, Viet Nam or Haiti or Cuba- (where many brought all their [often ill gotten looted] wealth from Cuba), as soon as they reach these shores, they’re considered first class citizens and are given Affirmative Action preferences over white people who might be poorer than poor. No matter, their ancestors are guilty of slavery and racism and the Holocaust and the Indians, and so 他们是 guilty and privileged and racist and all people of color are their victims.

    Now the reason I mention all of that is because if you’re a Brazilian, or a Cuban or Mexican or an El Salvadorian, and you get to the shores of America, now you might have figured you had nothing whatsoever in common with a Puerto Rican at all. Until you realized that as part of La Raza, your “Latino” heritage entitled you to all sorts of bennies. And a solidarity against the white man who seems to be so bent over by guilt, that you can almost demand whatever you want from him, if you just invoke his “racism”. It is the way they’ve set up the rules, (or lack of) that creates this delineation between who is a Hispanic and who isn’t.

    The lines are never sharp, and there’s a lot of blonde haired people and black people who consider themselves Latinos, but this is the general milieu that prevails in the US and Canada, and I suppose much of the Western world today. Where we’re all guilty of the Holocaust and of Slavery and all sorts of racism. And we must be made to pay.

    One day my intention is to move from these hate-filled shores to a place not under the thrall of the ‘hate people’. Who seem to thrive on that single human failing, and promote it with every breath they take. I’ve heard it said that if they didn’t have the Pals in Gaza and the West Bank, that they’d have to import them. Such is their terrible affliction and addiction to hate.

    One Brazilian gal I’ll never forget, (Sylvia) would, when I’d ask her how is Brazil different from America? She’d say with this beautiful smile, ‘well, in America you all want the money, but in Brazil – we just love!’

  152. bomag 说:
    @Chiquita LeStrange

    …property tax that you pay whether you’re a renter or homeowner

    But if you are getting a benefit far in excess of what you’ve paid in, it is fair to say “no cost to you.”

  153. @TangoMan

    Best response without even reading any further.

  154. abner 说:

    I had a comment that was lost in the crash, just putting something similar back up.

    I think this is naive, since Clinton will be elected and then put a leftist on the Supreme Court, who will then find amnesty in the constitution. Nonrich whites will be very lucky if the SC doesn’t remove caps on refugees or chain immigration by 2020 and make even a perfect fantasy version of Perot-Buchanan-Trump (that doesn’t exist) permanently unelectable. Trump is an 11th hour hail mary, and civic nationalism will be in either a rapid or slow permanent defeat afterwards.

    I don’t think there will be any truly serious unrest about it, either. The winners will not pay any price.

  155. Reg Cæsar 说:
    @eah

    What’s “broken” about it? — I realize today it’s practically a cliche to say it’s “broken”, but I still don’t know what that means — because no one ever says.

    It’s not broken to the other side. Works fine for them!

  156. Sean 说:

    .

    There is a common tendency in politics to commit the error of ideological projection, thereby assuming, often implicitly, that the motivations of one’s opponents are the mirror-image of one’s own. So the politically-fearful white racial-activists …

    Apparently you think it is only common among whites to fear what others’ intention are, or might become in the future, and hence act so that others will not attain a position of power from which they may assail us with impunity. Such an absence of fear is the opposite of projection inasmuch it assumes the others are in some way 不同 to us. Because fearlessness is uncommon, I suspect it has rarely proved a good way of looking at things for a nation, although maybe a businessman who thinks that way could be highly successful and assume his trusting methods of commercial human relations extend into the power politics of nations.

    The information about Chavez is fascinating, but he was another fearless man, and wonder if fearful perception being denied to him explains why his organisation and purely economic analysis declined as US Mexicans became numerous and became increasingly allegiant to a diaspora community with a Hispanic nationalistic ethos. In short, I think these non-national ways of looking at things (by businessmen or union activists) just don’t work when push comes to shove.

    For nearly twenty years, I have been arguing that a shrinking white majority, endlessly poked and prodded by diversitarian cultural provocations and fearful of falling into oppressed minority status, might erupt into a nationalistic movement

    How could a countrywide US movement, popular or otherwise, not be a nationalistic one. The US is a nation state. Liberal Globalism is US corporate nationalism in relation to the rest of the wold being concerned with the repatriation of profits and other such matters. To ensure that their interests (profits) have, as Adam Smith said, “been most peculiarly attended to”. Corporations control the political process and that is something that takes resources in all phases. Lind again:

    Turning a potential win into a real one means identifying your supporters, making sure they are registered and then getting them to the polls on election day. You cannot rely on them to do this on their own. Many will not “get around to it”. You have to have an organization that hand-holds them all the way to the voting booth.

    No one else can because only business has the resources. Trump has recognition and nothing much else. Lind notes Trump hasn’t any organisation to get his people out . Without staring to spending a lot of money, he’s going to lose and then they will go after him. He’ll end up on the street with a tin cup.

    …even if he ultimately falls short, recognition of the previously unsuspected power of the popular forces he has unleashed will have permanently altered the American political landscape.

    For sure, as William Lind says:- “If Trump loses, the Establishment will rig the system so the American people never again get a chance to vote for an anti-Establishment candidate.”.

  157. Boris N 说:

    The American racial terminology has always amused me. Because the real Caucasians, that is the native peoples of the Caucasus, are no any different from the so feared Arab or other Middle Eastern Muslim immigrants, both in Europe and America. Just a reminder: the Tsarnaev brothers were Caucasians in the very sense of that word. Yet, they have committed one of the most dreadful terror attacks after 9/11. While many naive Americans might wonder then, why the heck those men did such terrible things, no Russian would be surprised. Chechens or other Caucasians have again bombed somebody somewhere? Nothing unusual. What did you else expect from them? I think if pro-White American advocates know who the real Caucasians are and how they do behave themselves, those American would never use that terminology. Not to mention the term Causausian is all inclusive, so pro-White may well mean pro-Arab or pro-Hindu.

    On the other hand, Americans may reassure Europeans not to worry about the deluge of the Middle Eastern immigrants. Are Arabs, Turks, Kurds, Afghanis, Pakistanis, or who else live there, not Caucasian? Of course, they are! Those Middle Eastern people are as Caucasian as Germans, the French or the English. So what’s the problem? One Caucasians are migrating to live alongside with other Caucasians. By the way, Europeans must be very delighted instead, because with those immigrants Europe is becoming more White! That those are Muslims does not matter, because Europeans are not any more medieval religious fanatics, who hated Muslims, are they?

    The same goes for America. Are Caucasian Americans worried about the shrinking of their population in the USA? OK, there is a solution. There are about 1 billion Caucasians living from Morocco to Afghanistan… no, that’s wrong, there are more than 2 billion Caucasians living from Morocco to Bangladesh. Just give those racial brothers of yours more visas, or better, abolish the visas for them at all and do not let those Hispanics and Blacks overwhelm the great Caucasian race in the USA! Trump must have been gravely wrong about forbidding Muslims to enter the USA. Why does he hate his racial brothers? Is he an enemy of the great Caucasian race? Does he want more Hispanics and Blacks in the country?

    If a little bit more serious. Why do Americans hate such a simple and obvious term European? Is their historical grudge against everything European (read British) so overwhelming that they rather name themselves with an obscure geographical term and unite themselves with Afghanis then to call themselves European American (again in many cases it would mean British American). And why do Americans, if they are so eager to be the same with 2 billions Muslims and Hindus, exclude Spanish-speaking Caucasians? It is always difficult to understand Americans.

  158. @Anonymous

    In some ways, the Latinos are more like Hillbilly whites in West Virginia behind in education and job skills but better than blacks. Its complex, lots of Trump followers would do the security but cut down on Mexicans making better money. Mexicans that make better money like worked for Ford are less likely to want to head to El Norte. An idea which is more Ron Unz is a minium wage for US companies doing manufacturing in Mexico at least 3 an hour. This will bring up non manufacturing service jobs in Mexico to around 1.50 an hour. It would be interesting if you could get Republicans and Democratic to support minium wages for different third world countries. The poorest would start out at .90 cent per hour and the more developed like Mexico and China would be at 3 an hour. This adjustment changes over a decade where Mexico and China is kick up to 4 an hour for US Companies while poorer countries would be bumped to 1.5 to 2 an hour. This is another way to stopped companies wanting to go overseas as much and boosting some of the wage sin the third world, less reason to come to the US.

    • 回复: @RadicalCenter
  159. @dfordoom

    Ironically the war against communist also played a significant role in the shift to a open borders/free trade policy in the West. In the mid-60s American elites generously opened up Americas borders and markets to the developing world to help spread capitalist ideology and undermine economic Marxism. Other Anglo countries soon followed their lead. For example, Australia changed its whites’ only immigration policy because it wanted to forge better relations with it’s anti-communist allies in South East Asia.

    Hence, misguided foreign policy (which greatly exaggerated the danger posed by economic communism) has worked in tandem with left-liberal activism.

  160. @Boris N

    We don’t exclude Spanish-speaking white people.

    Moreover, I don’t know a single white person who refers to himself or other white people as “Caucasians.” The only person I’ve ever known who calls whites “Caucasians” is a black American.

    Also, are you under the impression that most Spanish-speakers in the USA are white? You’d be wrong. There are many non-Mexican Hispanics in the usa, but the solid majority of both legal and illegal Hispanic immigrants are Mexicans, and the great majority of them are nonwhite or mostly-nonwhite (mestizo or indio).

    • 回复: @Boris N
  161. @Boris N

    I call myself European-American. Same is true, I’d wager, for some others on this site.

    You may be attacking a straw man, buddy.

  162. @cynthia curran

    Thoughtful proposal. But how can the USA force Mexico to raise its minimum wage?

    And if had the leverage to force them to raise the minimum wage, shouldn’t we also (and first) use that leverage to force the Mex gov (and Mexicans in the USA, to the extent possible) to pay for a complete border wall?

  163. rw95 说:
    @Ironfist666

    I hope then that you’re not Irish, Italian, Greek or Slavic. This country was never meant for “all white people” or “all European people.” This country was created by Anglo-Germanic protestants FOR Anglo-Germanic protestants. Shall we send back all the other “lesser European groups” as well?

    • 回复: @James Forrestal
  164. rw95 说:
    @LouSurfer

    I hope you understand that, if America is not a “proposition nation,” that many European groups will have to go back as well.
    As much as your kind would love to think otherwise, this was never a country “for all white people.” You’d best learn that now.

  165. rw95 说:
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    I see that you are incapable of realizing that Europeans are not perfect, nor are they a homogeneous group. Nor are they interchangeable with one another.

    I’d highly recommend Jayman’s articles on the American nations and clannishness. Might enlighten you somewhat.

    My hopes are not high, however.

    • 回复: @John Jeremiah Smith
  166. @rw95

    I see that you are incapable of realizing that Europeans are not perfect, nor are they a homogeneous group. Nor are they interchangeable with one another.

    I’d highly recommend Jayman’s articles on the American nations and clannishness. Might enlighten you somewhat.

    Oh, fuck off, you arrogant dollop of dog-drool. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

    • 回复: @rw95
  167. Helen 说: • 您的网站

    The interesting fact: all kind of articles are written with some expectation about how things will go in case someone wins elections. The problem is that we don’t know who will win them, so that big amount of articles have to be rewritten in 5 weeks 😀

  168. @rw95

    Sorry, pal, but you have not the faintest understanding of what you reference. Nary a wispy concept.

    You are Ignored. Bye now.

  169. Eric Novak 说:

    Trump will have the power to break any Senate filibuster. Cuckservatives and Democrats will change their minds when drastic corporate tax reductions and Obamacare reform or replacement that Democrats like is blocked, respectively, by President F*ck You. A grand bargain can be attained, but it will move forward on its own power, as white anger against a 50-year-old anti-white immigration policy and the relentless flood of foreign affirmative action beneficiaries, unassimilable hostiles, and government dependents living on redistributed wealth builds. Another condition is that legalized immigrants can never become citizens, who vote. The deadlock will break. We are well past the 1990s.

  170. pyrrhus 说:

    Liberals never keep their bargains, as you are discovering with respect to the bi-lingual issue in California. Case closed–absolutely no deals.

  171. @Rehmat

    Visit some welfare or unemployment office – and you will find out 80% of the people lined-up for free money – are White Folks.

    No, you won’t. Try 20 or 25%.

  172. Boris N 说:
    @RadicalCenter

    We don’t exclude Spanish-speaking white people.

    Probably. But there are a lot of examples, when people speak of whites meaning only non-Hispanic whites or in other words English-speaking-only whites. For example, just a recent article here, where people complain about California becoming less white, while the real meaning is the state is not any more English-only and is becoming bilingual English-Spanish.

    Moreover, I don’t know a single white person who refers to himself or other white people as “Caucasians.” The only person I’ve ever known who calls whites “Caucasians” is a black American.

    The term Caucasian is so pervasive and established that people really think this obscure term is much more neutral than white. So it is very widespread if not default in formal and bureaucratic contexts at least. And many really call themselves Caucasian.
    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/stop-using-the-word-caucasian-to-mean-white/

    Also, are you under the impression that most Spanish-speakers in the USA are white? You’d be wrong. There are many non-Mexican Hispanics in the usa, but the solid majority of both legal and illegal Hispanic immigrants are Mexicans, and the great majority of them are nonwhite or mostly-nonwhite (mestizo or indio).

    No, I know that, I studied American censuses very closely. But even they say that 53% Hispanics are simply white and 36% are “others”, that rather means people are confused about racial categories. Not many Hispanics chose “two races” and even less “Native American”. And I do not think being mestizo disqualify people from being white. They are not much less white then many South European or Middle Eastern people. Amerindian blood does not change much.

    I call myself European-American. Same is true, I’d wager, for some others on this site.

    I suppose it’s still much rarer.

    You may be attacking a straw man, buddy.

    I’m just trying to understand America thoroughly. Mostly I’m being frustrated and disappointed with the American reality. I thought America being much better.

  173. @Discard

    AGREED. Why the heck should we compromise on this issue that Ted Kennedy and Congress lied to us about, and has been shoved down our throat and against our wishes for the past 50 years? How about, for a change, the American people make the decision on this issue that so greatly affects their country and not have CA run the show? I’ll “compromise” with a full moratorium on all immigration, deportation of illegals, and also deportation of muslims. How is that for a compromise. I wanted to deport all foreigners but since I am such a reasonable collaborative softie, I’ll meet the forces of immigration halfway.

  174. Ed 说:

    Seems quite clear to me Trump will use increased enforcement as a bargaining chip to get the immigration act of ’65 either repealed outright or significantly changed by new legislation. Might also attempt modifications to the birthright citizenship.

  175. @Ron Unz

    Your reasoning is probably correct. In Australia, the MSM tends to be pro-immigrant and will jump on natives who complain about the problems caused immigration. However, they will report stories about immigrants being underpaid by greedy employers.

    However, there are other economic factors than influence immigration, and one of the biggest is free trade deals. Illegal immigration to the US expanded rapidly following the NAFTA free trade deal:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/18/weekinreview/18uchitelle.html

    Unfortunately, many immigration restrictionists are staunch right-wingers on economic issues so they don’t see these kind of connections.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  176. Marie 说:

    Dear God, please save us from Avik Roy and the Reformocon snakes and menaces…

  177. Anonymous [AKA "deplorableme"] 说:

    As I recall, in 1985 there was a grande agreement between President Reagan and the Democrats that immigration would be sharply curtailed if amnesty were granted to the existing illegal immigrants. We all know how that turned out.

    Cuck me once, shame on you. Cuck me twice…………….there won’t be a second time, Cucks.

  178. polistra 说:

    The only correct “bargain” is ZERO.

    ZERO humans in, ZERO labor in, ZERO manufactured crap in.

    The only thing that should enter the country is raw materials that are not grown or mined here, like coffee beans and molybdenum.

    Any corporation that violates the ZERO rule shall be shut down and liquidated, and its executives shall be executed.

  179. Greenstalk 说:

    From everything I’ve heard Swedes seem like very pleasant people, rather agreeable to have around, while my personal experience with Mexicans leads me to a similar conclusion.

    Sweden is (or was, before it’s importation of Muslim barbarians) a civilized, peaceful, prosperous, technologically advanced First World country. Mexico is a quasi-failed state which depends for what little prosperity and stability it enjoys on its parasitical relationship with the US. From everything we know about Hispanics, including Mexicans, they are a civilizational disaster.

  180. MBlanc46 说:
    @Discard

    Never. Never. Never. This is the hill we’ve got to die on. Giving in means obliteration.

  181. Autochthon 说:

    OT:

    Hello Mr. Unz. Thanks for all the great work you do bringing us Unz评论. I notice the site automatically embeds hyperlinks behind text if that text is a URL. But the embedded link incorporates any punctuation in the text, like, in this example, a parenthesis:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/what-color-will-the-american-color-revolution-be/#comment-1751097

    The punctuation corrupts the hyperlink.

    I don’t know off-hand whether this is easy to address or not (or whether it’s worth any effort even if easy), but I wanted to call it to your attention. For my part I’ve just started manually embedding hyperlinks or off-setting them entirely from any other text, but other commenters may not know to do so.

    再次感谢您的工作。

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  182. Ron Unz 说:

    The punctuation corrupts the hyperlink.

    The problem is that the system has to determine where the URL ends, and various punctuation symbols, including parentheses, are actually valid characters in a URL So you’d need to leave a space or some other invalid character to separate the hyperlink from the regular text.

  183. Ron Unz 说:
    @Autochthon

    I notice the site automatically embeds hyperlinks behind text if that text is a URL. But the embedded link incorporates any punctuation in the text, like, in this example, a parenthesis:

    Actually, thinking it over, even though parentheses are perfectly valid URL characters, very few people are aware of that, so I just went ahead and excluded them (as well as square brackets) in the code that generates the URL self-links.

    • 回复: @FKA Max
  184. Anonymous [AKA "White Inaccuracy"] 说:

    Your argument is insensible. Most of the ire is against Muslims and they are about 1% of the population. 40 % are indigenous , mostly African-American. None such ire against Indians, especially Hindus whose numbers are rising and about the same as Muslims. Infact, the Trump regime has embraced them and appointed them to all kinds of positions Your case is weak and smells of an insular White reactionary mind set.

  185. FKA Max 说:
    @Ron Unz

    恩兹先生

    I think, I found quite a significant glitch in the system; when I go to my Unz评论 “homepage” https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=FKA+Max and try to search and browse my comments by month, e.g. May 2016, it takes me to all comments (22,137) left on the Unz评论 在2016年XNUMX月 https://www.unz.com/comments/all/2016/05/ instead of just to my two (2) comments I left for that month.

    It is the same problem with all the other months as well, as far as I can tell.

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  186. Ron Unz 说:
    @FKA Max

    I think, I found quite a significant glitch in the system

    Thanks—it’s been fixed.

    On the other hand, I went back and put in parentheses as valid URL characters, since I realized they’re very widely used in Wikipedia URLs.

    • 回复: @FKA Max
  187. FKA Max 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Unz先生,非常感谢!

    So you’d need to leave a space or some other invalid character to separate the hyperlink from the regular text.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/a-grand-bargain-on-immigration-reform-2/#comment-1751332

    That is exactly what I have been doing, like so:

    Remarkably, the latter has been on the table since at least the time of Avicenna (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avicenna ]

    https://www.unz.com/article/god-exists-the-rest-is-speculation/#comment-1755422

    有时候我 space it (pun intended), but most of the time I remember to do it properly. How 去做吧:

    This is why I support Planned Parenthood, want immigration to stop, and oppose amnesty, birthright citizenship and the Catholic Church (http://www.population-security.org/%5D等等。

    https://www.unz.com/freed/iq-a-skeptics-view/#comment-1731013

  188. It’s odd that Mr. Unz nowhere acknowledges that his example of a successful “Grand Bargain”, Prop 227, had long since been eviscerated by the kritarchy, and that there was a proposition on the ballot in Nov 2016, since passed with the aid of a breathtakingly deceptive ballot description, that made the evisceration good law.

  189. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @unpc downunder

    Your reasoning is probably correct. In Australia, the MSM tends to be pro-immigrant and will jump on natives who complain about the problems caused immigration. However, they will report stories about immigrants being underpaid by greedy employers.

    One of the large factors is Rupert Murdoch’s ownership of the press – ~70% or so of the newspapers bought by Australians are owned by Rupert Murdoch. He owns half of Foxtel. He has two half-Chinese children with Wendy Deng.

  190. @rw95

    “This country was never meant for “all white people”

    Heh. Read, and learn — the Naturalization Act of 1790:

    Please locate the words “Anglo-Germanic Protestants” (or a similar formulation) in this legislation. Thanks.

  191. Phil 说:

    罗恩

    Note that Singapore has not had a minimum wage EXCEPT for immigrant nannies.

  192. Anonymous[170]• 免责声明 说:

    Few people have done more for the education and enlightenment of the public on controversial topics as WW2, Jewish power, and the Holocaust or 9/11 and the assassinations of JFK and Patton than Ron Unz. Also a civic nationalist in favor of assimilation who actually has achieved something politically in this regard with ending dual-lingual education in California is hardly the worst opposition a white nationalist or ethno-nationalist can meet. To some degree I might even with Mr. Unz under different circumstances.

    That said: Ron Unz is an older fella who had his formative years during the Cold War era where US and European power, de facto white power if you will, were unchallanged globally. And in era of mutual nuclear extinction limiting that power seemed the moral thing to do. The US and Europe were also still demographically relatively secure: the USA was above 80% white European even in the 1980s and Europe was consisting of ethno-states, with the noteable exception of France and its colonial immigrants and a couple of million Turkish guest workers.

    I am 36 and German. So I am just old enough to have lived to see the old Germany, even before unification, and witnessed the unprecedented, drastic change of my nation.

    I am also the descendant of Sudetengermans. So people who belong to the groups who were ethnically cleansed from Bohemia and Poland in the greatest ethnic cleansing in human history, 16 million in total, and initial death numbers for the victims from direct local massacres, starvation and attacks of allied aircraft (I personally grew up with a woman who lost her leg to a British aircraft whose pilot fired into the refugee tracks) were up to 3,000,000. It was genocide by todays metrics. And they were indiscriminately being targeted for being German.

    Therefor a nation where I and my family are save from such atrocities based on racial German-hatred and totalitarian ideology is important to me. While the deranged anti-nativists, anti-Germans and anti-white leftists in this country use the fact that Germany knew no ‘upper limit to immigration’ for their own kin who were ethnically cleansed, to justify the mass immigration of economic migrants and the tolerance of illegals from MENA and subsaharan countries.

    So let me just a few points, why I think what is happening today is so dangerous and also evil:

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    1. The demographic transformation of the USA and Europe are unprecedented in human history. The Roman migration period doesn’t count, because it was inter-European immigration. Neither does the so called Indo-Aryan invasion which was thousands upon thousands of years ago away.

    2. Although the latter is being used by anti-whites to deconstruct Europeans as a people who never existed, how everyone is an immigrant and Europeans have no more right to their ancestral homelands than anyone who just moves there.

    3. It is one example how European cultural and gentic identity are being systematically targeted for politically and possibly racially motivated deconstruction. As a direct attack on them. And it is no different in the USA than in Europe itself. It is an attack on white Europeans in particular. (To some smaller degree to Asian ethno-states like Japan for the mere existant of the ethno-state character.)

    4. The mass-immigration of non-European people into exclusively white countries is accompanied by anti-white ideology and anti-white rhetoric. White hatred is normalized; violence against people deemed ‘Nazis’ – which can already include people simply protesting their own ethnic and cultural disposession and displacement – is normalized and justified; that same disposession and displacement is denied until the point it is basically complete can be gloated over and celebrated by the people who made it possible. (“The great replacement is a bizarre Neo-Nazi conspiracy theory which has to be banned and the people spreading it criminalized. Oh and by the way, whites will become a minority in the USA and London and isn’t that just wonderful! Only a white supremacist would object to that.”)

    5. It’s true: a lot of the causes for migration are just economic pull factors and people seeking a better life who have no political motivation. BUT: this does not prevent them from being used as a tool by people who hate white (Christian) Europeans. For example as a demographic sledgehammer against civil society, hated bourgeoise, capitalist, white Christian society. Some communists, crypto and open, in Germany, Norway and France have admitted to such.

    6. What right does a government, political elite, establishment have to hand over a nation that was created by white, (Christian) Europeans to another people. Against the expressed will of a significant minority, or silent majority? Even if for example Mexicans may not seem so bad (to Mr. Unz), don’t have a much higher crime rate and are productive. And especially if this mass-immigration policy is motivated by either far left and anti-white ideology or predatory capitalism. They have zero right to this. It is an expression of a predatory elite who hates their own Demos and wants to heterogenize, atomize and replace them as an expression of warfare of a globalist billionaire class against the plebs. A terrible mix of oligarchy and mass society.

    7. It may seem that the situation in the USA and Europe should be different. The USA being a colonial settler state, country of immigrants, melting pot, “nobody is illegal on stolen land” and all the rest of it. Europe being the ancestral continent of white Europeans. But they are not. In fact the arguments by the same culprits are identital to a letter. Which is another argument for the fact, that white Europeans are being targeted specifically.

    8. Mr. Unz knows well enough that almost all multi-cultural and multi-ethnic societies in human history have failed. With much bloodshed and in human catastrophes. Which also does include the Western and Eastern Roman Empire, the Holy Roman Empire and Austria-Hungary. The further the peoples are away from one another in the same state in terms of culture and ancestry, the more difficult it becomes. Why create the same conditions that have ended so terribly in history on purpose? Maybe because you are indeed a communist who hopes for a mix of racial and class warfare to coup bourgeois society and bring about communist utopia? Or because you are part of a predatory elite who couldn’t care less about the fate of ‘the common man’.

    9. There is a bit of a cognitive dissonance in regards to white nationalists: either they are a fringe minority of radicals and lunatics who shouldn’t be taken seriously. Or they are the greatest threat to the USA which could destroy the nation. Which one is it? And if the recognition of WHO YOU ARE is so dangerous to a state concept, what values does such a concept then have? A nation are the people, not the apparatus of governance and beaurocracy, not its elite. And I see no value in a vision where it is celebrated as progress that religion, culture and the people themselves and their are deemed irrelevant and our fate as exchangable human capital is celebrated as progress.

    10. There isn’t much hope for allying with the classical left who are opposed to mass immigration. We’ve had the same idea in Europe. They are even more of a demonized minority than anti-immigration Republicans, Conservatives and Right-Wingers among their dominant majority and are powerless.

    11. Would the end of the USA as a unified state be so bad? It has transformed into an empire that was never inteded by the founding fathers, its elite preys upon its own people, it has fought very evil wars in the years since 9/11 in particular, has escalated to a new Cold War unnecessarily. Yet even the USA seperated along racial-cultural lines would still constitute some of the strongest and wealthiest nations on earth which suite their people better than the empire on top of them.

    Thus I propose to this fundamental conflict a solution similar to the peace of Westphalia which had ended the 30 years war: the States of the West should be divided into ethno-states and multi-racial societies. And both would be constitutionally enshrined. Thus all people have freedom of choice and nobody is forced to live a way of life against their expressed desires and natural needs.

    The problem however is: we had that. If you wanted to cut your roots and live the melting pot life you could move to the USA, but even there the Mid-West was left as an identitarian heartland. If you wanted the ancestral life, you could remain in Europe. – And that was deemed unacceptable to the anti-white left. The fact is: these people will not stop until white Europeans are reduced to minorities into their own countries everywhere, until the last normative traditional instituion isn’t destroyed and until they have absolute, unchallenged power. Because they are totalitarian ideologeus.

    So, no, the classic civic nationalism of old is not enough to stop these radicals, be they predatory neo-liberal capitalists or anti-white left-wingers.

  193. Anon[223]• 免责声明 说:

    罗恩
    I like the “diagonal” politics that you are invoking here to make your potential solution. Raise the minimum wage in conjunction with cuts in the legal immigration flows.

    Well, I have been thinking about this issue, and I think I have found another “diagonal” concept that also provides a potential solution as well.

    As you point out, the Business lobby supports immigration for lower wages and a larger economy. They are able to subsidize the costs of immigration by using taxpayer, income tax funded welfare programs such as Medicaid, CHIP, generic federal programs, as well as some state and local initiatives.

    They get away with it because most of these programs are sponsored by income taxes, not corporate taxes, thus making other groups liable for the costs while they reap the benefits of lower wages and a larger consumer base.

    However, a potential solution could be to cut the legal immigration numbers by 50% or more, make all federal Medicaid expenditures paid for by the corporate tax rate(or at least make them pay for any future increases in Medicaid costs), and correspondingly reduce the income taxes on the middle class.

    I think this proposal has a reasonable chance to work, especially if proposed by a sufficiently determined Republican congress. For one, Democrats would love to make corporations pay for their social programs. Two, Republicans would make the biggest promoters of immigration responsible for the costs, while giving their voters a massive tax cut. Three, since corporate costs will rise with more immigrants, they will not have the political will to stop a Republican congress from cutting immigration.

    Also, once programs like Medicaid are paid for by business taxes, it will be politically difficult to reverse it, since you would have to tell the voters you want to raise their income taxes to get \$200 billion dollars and lower corporate taxes by a great amount.

    Additionally, it is harder to argue that shifting income taxes to corporate taxes is bad for the economy like raising minimum wage, which most people understand the shortcomings.

    你觉得呢?

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