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对 Covid 起源的奥威尔式逆转

自我上次阅读乔治·奥威尔(George Orwell)以来已有几十年了 1984,但是那经典的反乌托邦小说的一部分已经成为我们共同政治文化的一部分。

在那个著名的场景中,演说家在一次政治集会上发表长时间的战时演讲,称赞欧亚大陆的英勇盟友并谴责东亚群岛的大敌,但随后悄悄地将字条递给中间人,并彻底扭转了自己,毁了自己。前者和后者。 “我们一直与欧亚大陆交战。”

在过去的几周里,我们实时目睹了对全球 Covid 流行病起源的长期立场的这种明显和突然的逆转,这种流行病已经摧毁了世界大部分地区。 从 2020 年初开始,主流说法一直是这种病毒是完全自然的,任何提出它可能是实验室人造产品的人都被谴责为“阴谋论者”,与 QAnon 激进分子无休止地嘲讽类似在媒体上。 我们领先的社交媒体垄断企业经常严厉执行这一官方党派路线,包括 Facebook暂时禁止所有帖子 暗示其他。

但是这种情况现在已经完全改变了,最近几天 “华尔街日报”中, “纽约时报”,而且我们领先的电子媒体也以非常尊重的方式发表了一些著名的故事,甚至暗示证据的分量可能会有利于此。 参议院投票赞成立即解密所有与该病毒起源有关的情报文件,而对总统拜登(Joe Biden)施加的巨大政治压力迫使他下令在90天内进行全面情报审查并发布。 似乎新兴的精英共识可能很快就会支持以前被托付给互联网各个角落的理论。

美国精英情绪发生这种显着逆转的触发事件是记者尼古拉斯·韦德(Nicholas Wade)精心撰写且具有说服力的11,000字文章。 尽管作者花了超过四十年的时间担任该杂志的顶级科学记者。 “纽约时报” 和其他领先的网点, 他的工作 于 2 月 XNUMX 日悄悄发布 中等 缺乏任何认可或久负盛名的博客网站,然后 转载 由5月XNUMX日的低流量网站 原子科学家公报.

  • Covid的起源-线索的传承
    人或自然界是否在武汉打开了潘多拉魔盒?
    尼古拉斯·韦德• 中等 •2年2021月11,000日•XNUMX个单词

尽管起初如此such昧,文字的语气谨慎而柔和,但后果却是戏剧性的。 尽管在过去的大部分时间里,韦德讨论的几乎所有事实和证据都已经公开可用,但他的仔细分析和相当的新闻信誉迅速改变了知识分子的面貌。 他在长篇文章的开头解释说,从2020年XNUMX月起,伪装成科学的政治宣传已扩大了一个巨大的意识形态泡沫,此后通过新闻工作者的怯ward和无能的结合而得以维持。 唐纳德·特朗普总统曾宣布该病毒是人造的,因此我们的媒体坚持认为它必须是自然的,即使所有证据似乎都暗示了这种病毒。

韦德(Wade)的仔细介绍立即刺破了那个泡沫,并且颠覆了关于这场流行病的公开讨论,这场流行病已经杀死了全世界数百万人。 到28月XNUMX日, “华尔街日报” 登上头条 “ Facebook结束了禁止宣称Covid-19是人造的帖子的禁令,” 这样一来,不到一个月的时间,一篇自我发表的文章就改变了全世界近XNUMX亿个人被允许阅读和写作的内容。 这说明了美国庞大的技术垄断企业对互联网上信息的极权控制,这些垄断企业决定了全球范围内允许进行的讨论的局限性。 是否有更好的例子说明这些公司巨头目前实施的荒谬,僵化的知识审查氛围?

尽管Wade的文章是关键的催化剂,但类似的事情几乎发生在XNUMX月初,当时享有盛誉 纽约 该杂志发表了著名自由派公共知识分子尼科尔森·贝克(Nicholson Baker)撰写的12,000个封面故事,得出的结论非常相似,而且可能产生相同的影响。 但是贝克的文章于4月XNUMX日发表,两天后,我们的DC国会大厦突然被一群愤怒的特朗普主义者冲昏了头脑,确保在接下来的几个月中迅速将所有其他事情都遗忘了:

  • 实验室泄漏假说
    几十年来,科学家一直在热销病毒,希望能够预防而不是引起大流行。 但是,如果……怎么办?
    尼科尔森·贝克• 纽约杂志 •4年2021月12,000日•XNUMX个单词

我认为,Covid 流行是自二战以来最重要的全球事件,这可能是一个强有力的理由,因此新闻界的全面而迅速的转变似乎几乎是前所未有的。 第四等级的领导成员已经充分认识到这种逆转的严重性和对他们职业的可怕影响,记录了他们的反应,无论是高兴还是尴尬。

作为我们媒体机构的主要批评家,著名的调查记者格伦·格林沃尔德(Glenn Greenwald)在推特上发表了自己的严厉判决:

他的盟友马特·泰比(Matt Taibbi) 发表了类似的评论:

当。。。的时候 “华尔街日报” 讲了一个故事 此前一份未公开的美国情报报告详述了 2019 名武汉研究人员如何在 XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月病重住院,牙膏完全从管中取出:再也没有办法说“实验室起源”假设太愚蠢了被举报。

但这并不是说“实验室起源”理论是正确的。 但是,这与手头的问题无关。

但更值得一提的是冗长的 MEA过失 由拥有 XNUMX 年经验的老唐纳德 G. McNeil, Jr. 颁发 “纽约时报” 他从一开始就带头报道了他的报纸的 Covid 报道。 在阅读了他前同事的分析并仔细考虑了引用的大量证据后不久,麦克尼尔完全改变了他对病毒起源的看法,赞同他和其他主流记者花了一年多时间将其视为“极右翼”疯子的理论,他承认他们将其与“披萨门、瘟疫、功夫流感、Q-Anon、停止偷窃和 6 月 XNUMX 日国会入侵”归为一类。

Covid是作为生物武器开发的吗?

相信这种病毒的自然起源正在迅速消退,我们的精明共识似乎正朝着韦德,贝克和其他许多人的立场迈进,即最初的爆发可能是由武汉病毒研究所的实验室泄漏引起的,这是众所周知的。在该病毒研究的一般领域中进行了实验。 我们的情报界成员最近发表的支持这一理论的信息在XNUMX年得到了推广。 头版故事“华尔街日报”其他主要媒体,同时自然而然地在互联网上引发了大量讨论。

辩论的重要内容之一是公众日益意识到武汉实验室的病毒研究 接受 它最近的大部分资金来自我们自己的美国国立卫生研究院,为愤怒的美国政治指责提供了重要的机会。 这些事实已经有一年多的众所周知了,但是当假定该病毒是自然病毒时,它们显然没有多大意义。

即使最可怕的生物学事故也可能发生,但是鉴于我们主要媒体机构的明显怯ward和无能,我们不应该惊讶于这种实验室泄漏假说的某些相当明显的含义受到的关注比应有的少。

首先,重要的事实是,武汉实验室的顶尖研究人员坚决否认该病毒是在武汉开发的,这一立场得到了中国中央政府的大力支持。 因此,如果我们接受实验室泄漏,那么从第一天起,中国本地研究人员和中国最高政治领导人就一直在掩盖这场大规模全球灾难的真实事实。 如此坦率的坦率也许并不完全令人惊讶,但它为中国的所有其他主张蒙上了阴影。

更为可疑的是武汉实验室的出版历史。 充满同情心的美国科学家怀疑这种病毒是人造的 强调 这些中国病毒研究人员发表的众多文章中,绝对没有任何提及最终正式称为 SARS-CoV-2 的病毒的实验工作,这肯定需要大量的时间和精力才能转化为它目前的,高度危险的形式。 这意味着任何此类病毒式开发工作都是完全保密的,这一事实带有阴暗的含义。 生物武器的生产已被国际条约禁止,因此任何此类非法病毒项目都必须保密。

去年初 我们发表了 以一位已经在美国从事生物防御工作的1年退伍军人的观点为重点,他专注于该病毒的特殊流行病学特征,这种病毒具有极强的传染性,但死亡率却只有XNUMX%或更低。 当我 总结他的分析:

他提出的一个重要观点是,高致死率在生物武器中通常会适得其反,因为使许多人衰弱或住院使他们丧生的经济损失要比仅仅造成同等死亡人数的生物制剂要多得多。 用他的话说:“高传染性,低致死性疾病非常适合破坏经济”,这表明冠状病毒的表观特征在这方面已接近最佳。

由于明显的原因,我们的大多数主流记者都不愿意将武汉实验室泄漏情况的这些点联系起来,而现在他们越来越认可这些点,就像几乎所有的早期报道者都未能认识到该病毒可能是人为造成的一样。 甚至韦德(Wade)和贝克(Baker)也完全避免了任何有关武汉意外释放的病毒是非法生物武器的暗示。

但是,如果我们放弃这种可以理解的沉默,只列出武汉实验室泄漏假说的核心要素,那么逻辑上的含义就很明显了:

  1. 该病毒意外地从中国最先进的生物研究机构泄漏,该实验室的顶级病毒学家一再对泄漏本身及其病毒的产生撒谎,中国政府高层领导人强烈地否认了这种谎言。
  2. 由于从未在任何已发表的文章中提及病毒开发工作,因此该项目已完全保密。 这种完全保密将与非法生物武器的产生相一致。
  3. 该病毒似乎具有反经济生物武器的理想特征,旨在破坏目标国家的社会和经济生活。

基于这些事实,“武汉实验室泄漏假说”似乎只是一种委婉的描述方式,实际上是对“中国生物武器实验室泄漏假说”的描述。

从爆发的最初几天起,反华出版物和活动家就经常声称 Covid 是在实验室中制造的,并将其描述为意外释放到世界各地的非法中国生物武器。 既然前者曾经一度被污名化的断言已被广泛接受,那么无论媒体如何努力阻止这种情况,后一种可能性都将不可避免地成为公众辩论的一部分。

一旦该病毒在2020年前几个月开始席卷欧洲和美国的大部分地区,特朗普总统和他的政府中其他高层人物如迈克庞培对中国的攻击就变得极为严厉,尽管“生物武器”一词很少被使用。在公开场合,这似乎隐含在他们的许多愤怒指控中,并且可能在闭门造车的情况下被广泛讨论。 例如,今年早些时候,庞培的前最高助手戴维·阿舍(David Asher) 公开宣称 在新保守派哈德森研究所组织的一次小组讨论中,科维德是中国的生物武器。

在人类生命以及社会和经济损害中,该病毒在全世界造成的破坏是巨大的。 考虑到死亡和随之而来的封锁,美国显然遭受了自大萧条以来最严重的国家灾难。 我们成千上万的公民已经死亡,并且 根据详细分析 在华盛顿大学公共卫生研究人员的调查中,我们真实的病毒死亡总数已经接近一百万。

世界其他地区遭受的打击更大。 印度目前是疫情的全球震中,大多数外部观察家都将其官方死亡人数视为严重不足。 上周,一个主要的 纽约时报 公共卫生专家调查 估计 印度的实际死亡人数可能已经超过1.5万,甚至可能超过4万。

如果好心的中国科学家的粗心大意地给全世界造成了数百万人的生命和数万亿美元的损失,那情况将是非常糟糕的。 但是,如果所有这些死亡和破坏都是由于无意中释放了一种旨在摧毁国家的非法生物武器,那么国际后果肯定会严重得多。

某些逻辑进程几乎不可避免地彼此跟随,因此一旦我们接受了A,我们就被迫前进到B,然后又前进到C和D。现在,我们的精英媒体和政治机构似乎准备承认人为的本质对于这种病毒,他们将发现无法制止由此产生的关于Covid是否是非法生物武器的争论。 的确,我强烈怀疑,许多急切地-常常是不诚实地-将病毒确定为天然病毒并扼杀任何相反可能性的早期人物,确实希望阻止这种情况的发生。 但是,正如上面的塔比(Taibbi)引言所强调的那样,到XNUMX月下旬,“牙膏已完全被淘汰。”

没有实验室泄漏的生物武器实验室泄漏方案?

如上所述,在过去的两三个星期中,我们目睹了一个巨大的宣传泡沫的爆炸,该泡沫占据了我们媒体叙事的一年多时间,围绕这一假设的前提是Covid是一种天然病毒。 记者不愿注意到这一理论的明显缺陷及其完全缺乏任何支持证据,而同时又完全无视指向完全不同方向的重要事实,从而保持了这种泡沫。 结果,这种信念被韦德和贝克的文章所提倡的相反的实验室泄漏假说迅速取代。 但是在这种情况下,我们必须小心,不要仅仅用另一个来代替一个宣传泡沫。

总共,Wade和Baker文章总计约23,000个单词,尽管它们构成了武汉实验室泄漏假说的主要案例,但奇怪的是,它们似乎几乎没有任何有关实际实验室泄漏的重要证据。 更糟糕的是,从2020年XNUMX月开始,特朗普和庞培大声宣布他们拥有 “巨大的证据” 支持他们关于武汉实验室泄漏的主张,但至今还没有这样的证据。 我们是否已经忘记了伊拉克大规模杀伤性武器这么快的故事?

这些空架子有一个部分例外。 韦德(Wade)的长篇文章简短地提到,在庞培(Pompeo)离开办公室之前,他已让国务院发布了一份 情况介绍 其中提到美国“有理由相信”,在2019年秋季期间,武汉实验室的几位研究人员患上了类似流感的症状,而几个月后,一位前庞培的高级助手公开露面。 提出了同样的要求 更详细些。

然后上周,这小点儿作为主题重新浮出水面 整个首页 WSJ 故事。 根据来自一家未具名第三方可靠性的情报,武汉的三名实验室研究人员在2019年XNUMX月爆发大流行的那一刻染了重病。 泰比 似乎 认为这是实验室泄漏的有力支持,这个故事在社交媒体上得到了广泛宣传。

但是,这种实际证据似乎几乎是看不见的。 记者们没有提到武汉实验室有1,000多名员工,难道真的如此出色,以至于其中的三个可能在流感季节高峰期就出现了类似流感的严重症状吗? 这真的是庞培曾经声称的“巨大证据”的总和吗? 而且,一个 敏锐的博主注意到 那个的主要作者 WSJ 迈克尔·戈登(Michael R. Gordon)与朱迪思·米勒(Judith Miller)合作撰写了她臭名昭著的伊拉克大规模杀伤性武器文章,这一重要细节无疑引起了进一步的怀疑。 而且,如果我们能相信中国当局,他们说他们后来对所有武汉实验室的员工进行了检查,这些员工都没有任何过去感染的迹象。

确实,也有一些美国报道表明,武汉实验室的安全条件不足,但是依靠如此薄弱的迹象将成为一把两刃剑。 在过去的一年中,亲中国的宣传活动家广泛宣传了完全未经证实的理论,即科维德病毒偶然从Ft逃脱了。 美国自己的首要生物战实验室Detrick在很大程度上依赖于以下事实:2019年的八个月 疾病预防控制中心已责令该设施的大部分关闭,以应对严重的安全违规行为。 显然,存在着美国实验室泄漏的间接证据,远比在武汉发生的任何类似情况都强。

因此,武汉实验室泄漏假说的主要弱点在于武汉没有任何实验室泄漏的实际迹象。

美国生物战袭击案

因此,我们很可能认为Covid来自实验室,并且很有可能将其设计为生物武器,但我们没有任何迹象表明存在任何实验室泄漏的严重迹象。 因此,如果最初的武汉爆发是由于部署了强大的生物武器,而不是由于意外从任何实验室泄漏而来的,那么,毫无疑问,中国是预定的目标,是受害者,而不是肇事者。 确实,中华人民共和国只是避免遭受破坏,因为它以如此迅速的方式作出反应,并迅速采取了异常强大的公共卫生控制措施。 约有700亿中国人被困在家中长达数周之久,这次封锁可能比历史上任何时候都要多一千倍。

鉴于我们与中国之间持续的军事和地缘政治对抗,美国似乎可能是袭击的来源。 但是,一旦病毒最终传播到我们国家,特朗普总统完全缺乏狂妄的回应表明,他本人绝对不知道自己正在面对危险的生物武器的威胁,从而证明了自己的个人无辜。 最有可能的嫌疑人将是我们国家安全机构的流氓分子,可能是特朗普放在他政府上层附近的一些深州新保守派。

这一小撮高级策划者随后会利用美国国家安全机构的资源来实际执行行动。 该病毒及其传播装置可能是从 Ft. 德特里克和中央情报局的特工或特种部队成员会被派往武汉释放它。 然而,所有这些后者都会相信他们正在参与对美国主要地缘政治对手的完全授权的秘密军事打击。 实际上,发生的事情是 Strangelove博士- 类型的场景,但被带到现实生活中。

从2020年XNUMX月开始,我开始发表大量文章和专栏,为这一生物战攻击假说提供证据。 下面链接了三个最重要的部分,我建议那些感兴趣的人阅读它们,尤其是最近的那些。

此外,我们早些时候重新发表了两篇非常相关的文章,一篇由美国生物防御领域的 XNUMX 年退休老兵撰写,另一篇由调查记者 Whitney Webb 撰写:

以下几段摘录了我的文章,可能为我的论文提供了一些最有说服力的证据:

但是由于后来我们自己的政府无所作为的可怕后果是显而易见的,我们情报机构中的人员试图证明他们不是在转瞬即逝的人。 本月初, an 美国广播公司新闻 故事 引用四个不同的政府消息来源透露,早在 XNUMX 月下旬,我们国防情报局下属的一个特殊医学情报部门就发布了一份报告,警告称中国武汉地区正在发生一场失控的疾病流行,并广泛传播。将该文件分发给我们政府的高层,警告应采取措施保护驻扎在亚洲的美军。 故事播出后,五角大楼发言人正式否认了 XNUMX 月报告的存在,而其他各级政府和情报官员拒绝发表评论。 但几天后, 以色列电视台提到 在XNUMX月,美国情报机构确实与北约和以色列盟友分享了有关武汉疾病暴发的报告,因此似乎独立地确认了原始报告的完整准确性。 美国广播公司新闻 故事及其政府的一些消息来源。

因此,国防情报局的人员似乎比中国政府本身的官员早一个多月就意识到武汉发生了致命的病毒性暴发。 除非我们的情报机构率先采用预知技术,否则我认为发生这种情况的原因可能与纵火犯最早了解未来火灾的原因相同。

根据这些多方来源的主流媒体报道,到“11 月的第二周”,我们的国防情报局已经在准备一份秘密报告,警告武汉正在发生“灾难性”疾病爆发。 然而在那个时候,在这个拥有 XNUMX 万人口的城市中,感染的人可能不超过几十人,其中很少有人出现任何严重的症状。 影响是比较明显的。 此外:

随着冠状病毒逐渐开始在中国境外传播,另一件事发生了,大大增加了我的怀疑。 这些早期病例中的大多数恰好发生在与中国接壤的东亚国家中。 但到 XNUMX 月下旬,伊朗已成为全球疫情的第二个震中。 更令人惊讶的是, 它的政治精英 受到的打击尤其严重,与 整个伊朗议会的整整10%即将感染 和至少 十几个官员和政治家 死于疾病,包括一些 相当高级. 事实上,推特上的新保守派活动人士开始兴高采烈地指出,他们憎恨的伊朗敌人现在像苍蝇一样坠落。

让我们考虑这些事实的含义。 在全世界范围内,唯一遭受重大人员伤亡的政治精英是伊朗的政治精英,他们很早就去世了,甚至在中国以外的世界上几乎任何地方都没有爆发大爆发之前就已经死亡。 因此,我们在2月XNUMX日让美国暗杀了伊朗的最高军事指挥官,然后在几周后,伊朗统治精英分子的大部分被一种神秘而致命的新病毒感染,其中许多人很快因此丧命。 任何理性的人都可能将这仅仅是巧合吗?

15年2020月XNUMX日,我发表了 简短的评论 提供我认为发生的事情的简单类比。 到那时,我们的国家仅遭受了几十起死亡,还没有首次遭到封锁,但我今天仍然坚持同样的话:

假设有两个邻居发生争执,其中一个有一个精神病的十几岁的儿子,他在深夜潜行出去,在隔壁开了纵火,向他们“上了一堂课”。

但是受害的家庭闻到了烟味,醒了过来,并用英勇的努力扑灭了大火,只造成了很小的损失。

同时,大火蔓延到这名少年的家中,由于家庭太懒惰,无能为力,无所事事,房子着火着火烧毁,杀死了几名亲戚,使每个人无家可归。

在这种情况下,被袭击的家庭悄悄地幸灾乐祸,也许表示慰问,而不是再报仇,是否更明智?

证据比随机实验室泄漏更有利于生物战攻击

上面链接的我过去的文章使我有理由对美国对中国(和伊朗)的生物战进行攻击,但要说几千个单词。 因此,我在下面提供这些要点的简短摘要,尤其着重于为什么生物战场景比竞争性实验室泄漏假说更有可能出现的原因:

(1)三年来,中国一直陷于与美国在贸易和地缘政治上日益加剧的冲突,而且连续三年,中国一直受到神秘病毒的重创。 禽流感病毒在2018年严重破坏了其家禽业,第二年,猪流感病毒摧毁了40%以上的猪群(中国的主要肉源)。 第三年,Covid-19出现了。 如果最后一个只是随机实验室泄漏,肯定是可疑的模式。

(2)Covid-19爆发绝对是在中国最严重的时间和地点发生的。中国是武汉的主要交通枢纽,正好接近时机,以达到当地较高的感染水平,正值农历新年假期的旅行者将疾病传播到该国所有其他地区,因此产生了不可阻挡的流行病。 实验室意外泄漏的时机显然是随机的。

(3)作为世界军事运动的一部分,300名美国军人刚刚访问了武汉,为释放病毒性生物武器提供了绝佳的机会。 考虑一下美国人会怎么想,如果300名中国军官访问了芝加哥,此后立即在该城市突然爆发了一种神秘的致命病毒性疾病。 如果美国军事访问和完全无关的偶然实验室泄漏恰好同时发生,那将是一个奇怪的巧合。

(4)Covid-19的特性,包括高沟通性和低致死性,绝对是反经济生物武器的理想选择。 随机的实验室泄漏会释放出一种设计得足以严重破坏中国经济的病毒,这似乎很奇怪。

(5)从爆发爆发的那一刻起,美国的反华博客作者和美国资助的亚洲自由电台发起了针对中国的强大国际宣传攻势,称武汉爆发是由于来自武汉实验室的非法生物武器。 这可能只是我们的宣传机构异常迅速但机会主义的反应,但它们似乎非常迅速地充分利用了完全出乎意料和神秘的发展,他们立即确定这是由于实验室泄漏造成的。

(6)到“ 11月的第二周”,我们的国防情报局已经开始准备秘密报告,警告武汉将发生“催化性”疾病暴发,尽管根据当时的标准时间表,可能只有几十人开始了活动。在XNUMX万的城市中经历了任何疾病症状。 他们如何比中国政府或其他任何人早发现武汉发生的事情?

(7)不久之后,伊朗的统治政治精英受到严重感染,其中许多人死亡。 为什么意外的武汉实验室泄漏事件在如此之快的影响力席卷全球几乎其他任何地方之前,便如此迅速地跳入了伊朗的政治精英。

假想生物战袭击情景概述

根据上述建议得出的结论,我也认为对Covid暴发的合理情况提供自己的总结对我很有用。 虽然我已经介绍了这个大纲 在2020年XNUMX月的一篇文章中,我认为不需要任何修改。 显然,这种重构具有很大的推测性,但是我认为它最适合所有现有证据,而单个元素可以修改,删除或替换,而不必损害整体假设。

(1)我们大型国家安全机构中可能与“深州新保守派”有关联的流氓分子决定使用生物战对中国庞大的经济造成严重损害。 该计划是用Covid-19感染武汉的主要交通枢纽,以便在每年的农历新年旅行期间将这种疾病无形地传播到整个国家,并且他们利用武汉国际军事运动的掩护溜了几下。特工进入市区释放病毒。 我的猜测是,该图只涉及相对较少的个体。

(2)他们释放的生物制剂主要是为了反经济而不是杀伤性武器而设计的。 尽管Covid-19的病死率很低,但它具有极强的传染性,具有很长的症状前感染期,甚至可以通过无症状携带者传播,因此非常适合该目的。 因此,一旦它在中国大部分地区建立起来,将很难根除,而由此而来的控制它的努力将对中国的经济和社会造成巨大的损害。

(3)作为次要行动,他们决定针对伊朗的政治精英,可能会部署一种更具致命性的病毒变种。 由于政治精英通常都比较老,因此无论如何他们都会遭受更大的死亡。

(4)在东亚和近东爆发的致命SARS和MERS疫情从未显着扩散回美国(或欧洲),因此,绘图员错误地认为Covid-19也是如此。 无论如何,因为 国际组织始终将美国和欧洲评为拥有最佳和最有效的公共卫生系统来对抗任何疾病的流行,他们认为任何可能的反吹损害都是很小的。

(5)只有少数个人直接参与了这一阴谋,在该疾病在武汉成功获释后不久,他们决定通过向国防情报局警告有关部门,可能是通过编造一些人,来进一步维护美国自身的利益。一种所谓的“智能泄漏”。 基本上,他们安排DIA听到武汉显然正在遭受“催化性”疾病暴发,从而导致DIA准备并分发了一份秘密报告,警告我们自己的部队和盟国采取适当的预防措施。

(6)不幸的是,对于这些计划,中国政府以惊人的决心和效力做出了反应,并很快消灭了这种疾病。 同时,缺乏狂妄和无能的美国政府在很大程度上忽视了这个问题,只是在意大利北部大规模爆发引起媒体关注之后才做出反应。 由于CDC破坏了测试套件的生产,我们没有办法认识到这种疾病已经在我们国家蔓延,结果对美国的经济和社会造成了巨大破坏。 实际上,美国遭受了原本打算送给中国竞争对手的命运。

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    “Doctor Watson —-Sherlock was not stealing your thunder !” and science is not science fiction…

    • 回复: @Leo Den
  2. 这是一篇冗长的文章,但对于那些有耐心读完的人来说,Unz 先生做了一项值得称赞的工作,即清除了围绕官方 Corona Chan 叙述的完全逆转的烟雾和镜子,这相当于一个协调良好的psyop 以领先于曲线并将对 Corona Chan 生物武器的所有怀疑转移回中国。

    The key to understanding it all – Corona Chan is a bioweapon, but its release wasn’t necessarily accidental. Dig into all the evidence and research, and all roads seem to lead back to North America.

    与此同时,Corona Chan 已经被利用在一个自上而下的全球诱饵和转换操作中,让我们所有人都为“疫苗”排队。

    Seems the common folk just can’t win.

  3. michael888 说:

    Ron Unz 对“第三等级”(资产阶级和农民)的暗示应该更正为第四等级(新闻和记者)。

    这就像拔牙一样,许多有能力的科学家都在权衡(在韦德的评论中引用),只是为了承认 Covid-19 可能是在实验室中制造的。 坚决声称“这不是来自实验室!” 是不科学的狂妄自大,并引起了许多科学家对这个问题的关注; 如果蝙蝠冠状病毒病毒学家只是说“Covid-19 不太可能来自实验室,我们正在调查这种可能性”,那么它很可能永远不会被关注。

    要证明 INTENT 参与了全球 3.5 万例 Covid-19 死亡事件将困难得多。 毫无疑问,美国、加拿大,当然还有中国(可能还有其他地方)都有实验室从事这项研究,以当今科学项目合作的典型方式。 当然,将一个科学企业变成生物武器只需要少数美国或中国的情报人员(幸运的是,全球 95% 的受害者都在 60 岁以上,但除伊朗人外,大多数高级政客都幸存了下来)。

    • 回复: @Ultrafart the Brave
  4. 沿着类似的思路,我认为 MSM 在实验室泄漏场景上大转弯的真正原因不是 Nicholas Wade 的文章,而是 Unz 先生本人 10 月 XNUMX 日的文章,该文章提出了一个更合理但仍然令人震惊的文章COVID起源的理论。

    When the MSM starts to endorse a theory, it is time seriously to consider the opposite. What better way to deflect from an indictment of the US bioweapons program than to eat crow and “admit” that the conspiracy theorists blaming the Wuhan lab were right all along?

  5. Erebus 说:

    实验室创造/自然的论点似乎已成定局。 意外泄漏/有目的的攻击仍然存在争议。 然而,对人们生活和生计的破坏以及对经济的破坏完全是有目的的。 对儿童教育的破坏和对更广泛的社会结构的破坏也是如此。

    归根结底,该病毒是一个什么都没有的汉堡。 任何年龄半健康的人,在 72 小时内即可治愈。 在大多数情况下,如果在症状出现后足够早地进行治疗,则治疗时间远少于 72 小时。

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    谁禁止了这些治疗,他们为什么要这样做? 为什么几乎所有国家公共卫生当局都遵循相同的计划,禁止有效的方法? 为什么前线医生被束缚,并被公然禁止遵循他们的自然治疗过程,而赞成一种充其量是无效的,最糟糕的是致命的方案? 为什么美国、加拿大和澳大利亚(可能还有其他地方)的医院因 COVID 死亡而获得经济奖励? 谁做出了这些政策决定,为什么?

    津巴布韦在取消伊维菌素禁令后两周内死亡率降至零。 取消禁令后不久,德里的死亡率正在下降。 他们的医生(和公众)首先违抗禁令,然后强迫他们的政府撤销禁令。 为什么韦斯特的医生和公众没有? 为什么他们在第一名被禁止?

    在最初的几周之后,这不是恐慌和错误。 那是犯下危害人类罪的阴谋。 不应该把这些问题放在首位,而不是让自己被牵着鼻子走,就意外/有目的地释放人造/天然病毒而大发雷霆吗? 除了前面的问题,后面的问题就显得微不足道了。

    然后是 mRNA“疫苗”,它们刚刚开始对那些爱上它们的社会造成严重破坏……

    事实上,我希望在回答有关响应的问题时,大雁追逐问题的答案会很明显。

  6. Erebus 说:
    @Neuromancer

    What better way to deflect from an indictment of the US bioweapons program than to eat crow and “admit” that the conspiracy theorists blaming the Wuhan lab were right all along?

    Indeed. Couldn’t’ve said it better myself. They can’t hang on to the first lie any longer, so they default to the 2nd level down.

    As the guru said to the acolyte who asked what the elephant that held up the the elephant that held up the world stood on: “Oh, it’s elephants all the way down after that”.

    • 谢谢: Ever Becoming
  7. anonymous[139]• 免责声明 说:

    would be rogue elements of our national security establishment

    Why rogue rather than part of the regular organization? There’s an assumption that the regular folks there wouldn’t do something like this since they are assumed to be decent people when in fact they’ve been engaged in the business of killing people worldwide on both wholesale and retail levels. Sociopathy is their trade. Gain of function research or bioweapon research, both seem to overlap so the latter could be played off as being the former and thus totally legit. If it was a US bioweapon attack then this lab leak story is the fallback position as the wet market story crumbles. Since there’s so many with an interest in spinning, misdirecting and lying about this as well as just about everything else it’s hard to parse out what the actual story happens to be.

    • 同意: Irish Savant
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    , @Godfree Roberts
  8. Sollipsist 说:
    @Neuromancer

    “When the MSM starts to endorse a theory, it is time seriously to consider the opposite.”

    Agreed. It seems to me that the focus has simply shifted from “crack down on independent thought” to “let’s get a new Cold War going.” And I’m not crazy about the eagerness with which previously disruptive critics are helping to fuel the MSM shift.

  9. I don’t agree with Unz’s blowback theory on several points. However, I do agree that it’s disturbing how quickly people are moving to embrace the lab leak hypothesis while seeming to embrace antipathy to China at the same time. It’s like the ongoing anxiety over Taiwan and the future of American hegemony is unconsciously motivating people to embrace the lab leak hypothesis as an excuse.

    • 同意: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  10. Ron Unz 说:
    @Neuromancer

    沿着类似的思路,我认为 MSM 在实验室泄漏场景上大转弯的真正原因不是 Nicholas Wade 的文章,而是 Unz 先生本人 10 月 XNUMX 日的文章,该文章提出了一个更合理但仍然令人震惊的文章COVID起源的理论。

    That would be very gratifying, but I very much doubt it. I think Wade’s excellent article was getting lots of traction among MSM-types before mine was published. Also, don’t forget that the numerous pro-Trump/anti-China outlets and activists were very energetic in trying to relaunch the Wuhan lab-leak theory, and they do have a substantial media footprint.

    Anyway, if you’re correct and the shocking reversal by the MSM was meant to forestall growth of interest in my analysis, they made a very serious mistake. That sort of extreme back-flip greatly discredits the MSM, and opens people’s minds to additional possibilities.

    For example, I’ve been a little friendly for a number of years with an eminent mainstream academic scholar, mostly focused on national security issues with a strong interest in China. During our correspondence over the last year, he was *非常* skeptical of my biowarfare attack hypothesis. But after the total MSM reversal on the lab-leak issue, it looks like he’s now coming around to my theories.

    顺便说一句,这不是讨论流感骗局、反 Vaxxery 或非正统 Covid 治疗理论的评论线程。 所有这些胡说八道都会被扔掉,所以那些激动的活动家只是在浪费时间,应该去别的地方。

    • 同意: CelestiaQuesta
    • 哈哈: Emslander
    • 巨魔: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • 回复: @Ace
    , @SunBakedSuburb
  11. VICB3 说:

    (3)作为次要行动,他们决定针对伊朗的政治精英,可能会部署一种更具致命性的病毒变种。 由于政治精英通常都比较老,因此无论如何他们都会遭受更大的死亡。

    一些问题:

    OK, so exactly was Iran’s political elite targeted? Somebody has to get close in to release it. And you have to infect them all at once. Was there a general assembly inside a closed building at the time?

    And why didn’t it break out into the general population? Was it age specific? Did it have a built-in self destruct?

    Who would benefit most from such an attack? Was it an Israeli sideshow?

    And are the Israelis, working with rogue elements within the U.S. Government, in fact responsible for the Covid-19 and its variants?

    Could those rogue elements include dispensationalist Christian nutjobs hunting for a way to bring about “The End Times” and the Rapture? (I’m thinking Pompeo and Pence here, along with, doubtless many others.)

    Are Fauci and Gates being thrown under the blame bus to act as high profile scapegoats and shield those truly responsible? (Short answer: probably yes.)

    At any rate, Ron Unz nails it with his narrative. And it’s fair to say the supposed elites are now clinging to the Wuhan Bioweapon Lab Leak theory as a red herring. (Blame the victim!)

    To consider close alternatives is to bring up the uncomfortable topics of deliberate acts of war and war crimes by actors in the United States and Israeli Governments.

    Just a thought (or several).

    维克B3

    • 回复: @Bragadocious
  12. Levtraro 说:

    The analogy of the Orwellian new has-always-been enemy Estasia and new has-always-been friend Eurasia for the sudden flip in the standing of the lab-leak hypothesis from censored crackpottery to reasonable to discuss is very apt.

    Put that together with other recent developments (coming Biden-Putin meeting in Geneva, waiving of further sanction reg. NS2, EU bigshots talking friendly about Russia, sudden explicit expressions of love to Russia in the Globaltimes Chinese organ) and then it suggests that bigshots in the West have decided -after long deliberation by expensively wise advisors, highly credentialed gurus and top political shamans- that they had a great illumination: drive a wedge between Russia and China by China-Bad Russia-Bad-Too-But-Not-So-Bad-After-All strategising.

    • 同意: Alfred
  13. Ron Unz 说:
    @anonymous

    为什么是流氓而不是常规组织的一部分? 有一种假设是,那里的普通人不会做这样的事情,因为他们被认为是正派的人,而实际上他们在全球范围内从事批发和零售层面的杀人业务。

    Let me clarify what I meant by “rogue elements”…

    Trump’s behavior almost certainly indicates that he didn’t authorize the attack, which makes it a “rogue operation” by definition. However, I suspect that it has orchestrated by senior people in his administration, perhaps with someone like (former CIA Director) Pompeo as the ringleader. Probably only a handful of plotters were involved.

    然而,这些人在政府中的地位足够高,以至于他们可以为实际行动招募我们国家安全机构的许多人员,他们被告知这是一项完全授权的工作。 例如,英尺。 Detrick 实验室可能提供了病毒和释放机制,CIA 或特种部队提供了前往武汉的特工,等等。

    All of these other individuals knew exactly what they were doing, and indeed they had spent years training or developing exactly these capabilities. What they didn’t know was that the people directing them had *不是* received presidential authorization for the attack on our main geopolitical rival.

    It’s basically a Dr. Strangelove-type scenario, brought to real life.

  14. A123 说:

    -3- The virus seems to have the ideal characteristics of an anti-economy bioweapon, intended to devastate the society and economic life of a targetted country.

    基于这些事实,“武汉实验室泄漏假说”似乎只是一种委婉的描述方式,实际上是对“中国生物武器实验室泄漏假说”的描述。

    This virus would be a terrible choice as an end state bioweapon. When you fire a gun, you want the bullet to hit the enemy not your own troops. The fact that COVID-19 predictably impacted the globe is not weapon like.

    There is evidence that Dr. Fauci and others were funding 功能获得 research at the Whuan Virus Laboratory that would have been illegal to conduct in the U.S. This also plays against the idea of a bio-weapon. WMD’s need to be secret, and this research appeared in public grant documentation.

    Key points for the most likely scenario:

    • The virus was artificially enhanced (but not weaponized) by the Whuan Virus Laboratory
    • Certain “leftist” U.S. institutions and individuals collaborated with the CCP funding & technicially supporting creation of the high risk virus.
    • As there is *no national justification* for intentionally attacking 100% of the planetary population. An accidental release is near certain.
    ____

    The other, IMHO much less likely, alternative to clear the *no national justification* hurdle is a multi-national, Elite side. CCP Elites, EU Elites, and US Elites jointly conspired to attack the entire world population of non-elites.

    As we have seen from Merkel’s antics in Germany, Globalist Elites are capable of almost anything. Postulating “Elite vs. Non-Elite” requires cooperation from CCP Elites to arrange the intentional virus release from their Whuan Virus Laboratory.

    EU/CCP/US Elites share the total lack of morality required to pull such a trigger. However, the ill prepared responses everywhere point against this scenario. Pushing all three major currencies (RMB, EUR, and USD) simultaneously towards the brink does not seem to have an obvious advantage for the Elite side.

    和平😇

    • 回复: @Tdstype2
  15. Anonymoous 说:

    The outbreak of similar illness surrounding Ft. Dietrich in 2019, attributed to vaping, is a huge tell.

    Let’s see how many birds were killed with this one spike, er, stone.

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    1. Top Iranian leadership
    2. The notion that voting must, unless there are unusual circumstances, take place in person.
    3. And thus, The presidency of one Donald J. Trump
    4. The idea that businesses could manage their own affairs and make market-savvy judgements about customer safety.
    5. The idea that families and communities could have an effective voice in determining schooling, ability to go outside, etc.
    6. The heretofore obvious scientific principle that human trials don’t even begin phase 1 studies until animal toxicology studies are completed, and human trials will need several years to establish a safety profile
    7. The idea that the media best serves a people by offering differing viewpoints, including, in matters pertaining to public health, from experts in the field of virology, epidemiology, and internal medicine.
    8. The long-established principle that natural immunity is superior to vaccine immunity.

    I’m sure I overlooked a few whimsical notions, such as right to peaceable assembly, right to free speech, right to privacy and personal autonomy, but at this juncture these are mere historical bagatelles.

    This smorgasbord of casualties of the Great SARS2 panic of 2020 would lead one to wonder who exactly was in the kitchen, preparing such a novel metaphysical feast, that could render common sense not only silenced but vilified.

    • 同意: antitermite
  16. I so appreciate your doggedness in reminding everyone of your early and consistent analysis of the advent and spread of the coronavirus, Mr. Unz. You are performing a public service that should be (but probably won’t be) richly rewarded. As I noted in a short letter I sent you after your last article, I believe the evildoers in our government will short circuit the “narrative terrain” at the point it has reached, because it serves their interest in provoking a war with China.

    I am pleased that you recognize the malevolence of characters like Mike Pompeio and other evil-doers in the deep state, but sadly, I don’t think that Donald Trump can so easily get off the hook. Should the current narrative unravel, no doubt the fall back position of the deep state will be that Trump was responsible for the bioweapon attack. Trump was certainly ill-used by the neocon actors who did all of the dirty work for his administration, but what they “accomplished” was certainly within the parameters of some of the idiotic policies that Trump was spouting. And I’m sure that the neocons were telling him all the while not to worry, that the bioweapon attack would not come home to roost.

    I have a suspicion, finally, that the origins of the virus here in the United States may have been the result of a planned release (sort of a trial balloon) of the virus in the vaping community in the summer or fall of 2019. I found it very curious at the time that Trump was making a big deal about banning flavored vaping products. Why would he have cared? In retrospect, I think that he felt somewhat guilty about the fact that he had gone along with the “experiment” and was horrified that it had killed so many innocent vapers. Just a thought that has been gnawing at me. I was a Trump supporter and would not want to diminish him by having this come out to sully him further at a critical juncture, but the chips, I suppose, fall where they may.

    • 回复: @naill
    , @anon
    , @The Real World
  17. @michael888

    … fortunately 95% of victims are over age 60 globally …

    … and you think that’s a 非常好 事情?

    BUT high level politicians mostly survived…

    嗯,不用说,那 is 一件坏事。

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @michael888
  18. Rahan 说:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    It seems that while on the one hand globohomo did not expect that China really had learned its lesson after SARS and installed tripwires everywhere and made provisions what to initiate instantly once said wires are tripped, on the other hand globohomo did not expect the utter ease with which the demoralized and apathetic westerners decided that “my body is not my choice” concerning vaccination, and “my behavior is not my choice” concerning even the most basic freedoms.

    A big “fail” with China, but a big “win” with the western plebs. The ridiculous ease with which the population went along with everything probably convinced globohomo to accelerate all or at least many programs within their larger agenda, and start doing now what by plan should have been happening between 2030 and 2050. With COVID they lost the battle (China) but won the war (The Great Reset).

    Also, libertarians like Scott Adams instantly jumped on the chance to “unite the nation” by using China as the big baddie, also doing the “they are genociding us with fentanyl and making Uighurs into lampshades” bit, and if he is a weather bell then even the non-corporate rightwing will be super easily suckered by globohomo into an emotionally satisfying dramatic “rocky fights china” performance.

    Conservatives are such retards. Give them a chance and they will instantly be loyal to the system, even if it has been completely taken over, corrupted, infiltrated, and used against them on every conceivable level, to crush them as an ethnicity, as a class, and as a culture.

    When the only non-retards on the right are bizarro outcasts like Roosh and Anglin, this means the rot has gone in super deep. Well, and the Groyper youngsters, of course, but it’s too early to count them as a force.

    • 同意: Ultrafart the Brave
    • 回复: @CelestiaQuesta
  19. Emslander 说:

    It wasn’t Wade’s article or any other logical basis for changing the war from one enemy to another mid-speech. It’s either a need for further distraction or something very sinister about COVID is about to be revealed. Maybe both.

    • 同意: TKK, Thim
    • 回复: @TKK
    , @Nancy
  20. MarkU 说:

    The narrative suggested in the article seems quite plausible but I believe it to be incomplete in many respects. I propose the following timeline:-

    1) Fort Detrick was shut down after a cease and desist order to the organisation in July, 2019 due to multiple violations of procedure.
    2) An outbreak of ‘influenza’ killed something like 10,000 people in the US in August 2019.
    3) In October 2019 there was a US organised event ‘Event 201 – A Global Pandemic Exercise’ which simulated a very similar scenario to the actual pandemic.
    4) From October 18 – 27, the 2019 Military world games was held in Wuhan. The virus was released by the US team presumably as they were about to leave.
    5) November 17, the first officially recognised Covid-19 case is found in Wuhan.

    In this scenario, an accidental release from Fort Detrick occurs, it is recognised that it cannot be stopped, so they decide to try to pin it on the Chinese. Meanwhile a cabal of globalists decide that they may as well capitalise on the situation to carry out their ‘great reset’, cut back civil liberties, promote their ‘vaccines’ and get us all used to carrying our ‘papers’ everywhere we go (except the polling booth apparently because that would be ‘racist’)

    • 同意: Notsofast, CelestiaQuesta
    • 谢谢: Kali, St-Germain, RichardDuck
  21. Niebelheim 说:

    Look for another 911 Commission style investigation of this mass murder event.

  22. Thank you Mr Unz, this was the scenario I always suspected to be true.
    American alphabet agencies are going rouge and self funding (i.e raising their own capital to finance their own agendas)
    In short, the USA is a dog with many kind of fleas.
    A plea to fellow Americans. Please out law all these so called secret agencies.

  23. Notsofast 说:

    what’s not being discussed here is fauci’s obsession with gain of function research. a moratorium on this research had been declared within the u.s. in 2014, oweing to the dismal results of animal testing at the time. fauci then gave 3 million dollars to the wuhan lab to continue this banned research.

    [更多]
    on dec 19, 2017 the nih announced it was resuming gain of function research citing h.h.s. guidance on such funding reached earlier that day. at the time h.h.s. was between directors with acting secretary eric hargan giving final approval. fauci had always said gain of function was risky but a risk worth taking. covid19 spike protein appears to be the same spike protein as hiv and was immediately called out as such by dr. montagnier the man who won the nobel prize for first identifying the hiv virus (whos career was ruined by fauci). he claimed it to be a product of genetic engineering (gain of function) and said it would rapidly mutate as it is not as stable as a naturally occurring virus. fast forward to fort detrick being shut down for 8 months for “serious safety violations” in 2019 and the genie was already out of the bottle. at this point they started looking for a fall guy and the wuhan games gave them such. they already knew wuhan was working on this for the same reason we knew about wmds, we had the receipts. all the footing dragging on the roll out of tests along with the botched first set of tests and misinformation (wear a mask, don’t wear a mask, wear six masks) was purposeful to insure maximum distribution for maximum fear factor. fauci now had perfect orange fall guy and an emergency exemption on testing his new gain of function synthetic mrna “vaccines” along with legal immunity from damages caused by these genetic engineering experiments. the race is on now to get everyone to do their “patriotic duty” and get the jab for god and country eliminating any possible control group and covering their tracks.

    • 同意: MarkU
  24. Samala 说:

    Bioweapons are not a good idea, unless you can get the relentless march of evolution to stop. Whatever bioweapon you release into the wild will mutate and change along chaotic lines you never imagined.

  25. mapman 说:

    Oh god, how ridiculous. Media bloviation aside, the evidence for lab leak is incredibly scarce and in its entirety consists of:

    1. First noticed significant outbreak in proximity to WIV.
    2. Natural reservoir of the ancestor virus not being identified in a little over a year. (Compare with SARS: It took 11 months for the very first report of finding it in palm civets and four years to nail down a natural reservoir in horseshoe bats.)

    Everything else–the impossibility of furin site, the unusual codon usage, the unique adaptation to humans over all other animals, the documented work in WIV on chimeric SARS viruses with the aim to make them more infectious to humans (that work was done in NC, USA and involved a mouse-adapted virus)–is completely and easily verifyably false.

    Oh yes, there are also vague “intelligence reports” that claim various things, none of them backed by any actual facts, all surfacing when it became politically convenient. Do you people never learn? Every swamp-supported hoax in the past few years had been backed by exactly the same kind of intelligence report…

    Sure, a serious investigation is in order simply because lab-made adaptation to humans remains plausible. But in the face of several zoonozes occurring right in from of our eyes in the past couple decades, and with literally no evidence supporting lab leak, acting like lab leak is very likely is utterly idiotic.

    • 回复: @Ace
    , @GomezAdddams
  26. Yee 说:

    Don’t know whether it’s relevant, but on a financial conference in April, Chinese officials talked about giving up setting limits to the RMB currency exchange rate. Under the current circumstance, it would mean RMB’s appreciation against the US dollar, since the US has been printing money like crazy. And RMB has been going up since May 24th.

    The conference was on April 16th, Nicholas Wade’s article was 2 weeks later. Facebook lifted the ban on May 26th.

    The about-face could be to create a bargining chip to force China to anchor the dollar. Since the result of “investigation” is 3 months away, enough of time for bargining.

    • 回复: @Rdm
  27. As has already been noted, including under a John Derbyshire tongue bathing of Mr. Wade and his Really Scientific article, the propaganda begins with its title:

    COVID的由来:人还是大自然打开了潘多拉魔盒 在武汉?

    Like Red+Blue voting, the Establishment doesn’t care which you choose — after all, they’re both ChinaDidIt.

    • 同意: Ever Becoming
  28. Alvin 说:

    “Over the last couple of weeks, we have witnessed in real time this sort of stark and sudden reversal in long-held positions with regard to the origins of the global Covid epidemic, which has devastated much of the world.”

    The virus did not devastate the world. The ensuing lockdowns did. Without government and media propaganda and lies, we would have gone about our lives without noticing a damn thing.

  29. I wrote this question in a previous article about Covid19 from the same author:

    “Is the the new zio-media onslaught against China/Wuhan lab as origin of COVID19 mysteriously simultaneous to China’s business with Iran and support for them, as well as the open support for Palestine?”

    The timing with international events is interesting.

  30. @VICB3

    Unz没有解决伊朗问题的原因是因为他不能。

    拼图似乎很合适。 Neocons 制造病毒 + 进入中国 + 感染伊朗七十多岁的领导人。 多么胜利!

    除了在伊朗的情况下——如何?

    Also, why hasn’t Europe embraced this theory? I can’t think of 750 million people who would love to blame America more than Europe.

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
    , @Levtraro
    , @ebear
    , @Voltara
  31. That the Iranians were smashed by the bug initially, and the earliest reports from China were that this was a deadly bug, and most importantly, the US warning in early November 2019 of a ‘cataclysmic’ outbreak-to-be would seem to indicate perhaps a wee bit more lethality was envisioned than took place, thankfully. So how did China avoid it when in Iran even (or maybe especially) their ruling elites got mercilessly slammed?

    Seems to me pretty obvious all that well-funded research with Fauci and the US on ‘gain of function’ in Corona viruses at Wuhan was China’s attempt to ‘keep your enemies closer’, and try to keep ahead of the bio-attack curve. Looks like they had just enough lead time to think their response through sufficiently and be somewhat ready before it happened, unlike Iran which was blindsided. I doubt China could have pulled off what they did at the drop of a hat. The Chinese are pretty impressive, but……

    Did the virus simply quickly mutate into a less lethal but more contagious form in the vast social network of human incubators known as inland China? Certainly a possibility. Or maybe the Iranians were hit with a different bug entirely? Who knows?

    What I do know is that I believe Ron’s got some damn good arguments he’s laid out that I’d love to see addressed in the MSM sometime soon!

    • 同意: anonym25, CelestiaQuesta
  32. Ron Unz 说:
    @Bragadocious

    Unz没有解决伊朗问题的原因是因为他不能。

    拼图似乎很合适。 Neocons 制造病毒 + 进入中国 + 感染伊朗七十多岁的领导人。 多么胜利!

    除了在伊朗的情况下——如何?

    我已经在本月早些时候的评论中回应了这种论点:

    顺便说一句,您的假设在某种程度上是不对称的:武汉奥运会在中国的发行中起了重要作用,但在伊朗的发行中没有任何作用。

    当然。 但我认为关键的区别在于,美国可能在武汉没有大量的情报人员,所以如果没有那 300 名来访的美国军人的便利掩护,在那里释放病毒可能会困难得多。

    另一方面,过去几年来所有重要的伊朗科学家和核破坏活动的成功暗杀表明,我们(或以色列人)那里已经有一个庞大而有能力的特工网络,可以将其用于这一目的。

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/7-million-deaths-from-corona/#comment-4645105

    • 同意: Wade
    • 回复: @A.z
  33. Emslander 说:

    What a strange set of contentions. At least Ward has the vague evidence of proximity. Unz has only a bright-eyed theory, based on his obvious prejudices against certain members of the Trump administration.

    I don’t know if this helps, but I have a friend who is very expert on the research into animal health and he said in January 2020 that he knew that the Wuhan lab was doing research on “change” of function in viruses in order to prevent the kind of devastating pork kill that had occurred in China.

    Ignore this information if you dare, Mr. Unz.

    • 回复: @Johnny Rico
  34. S 说:

    A year ago Trump was in office and the powers that be wanted him out. They wanted the Wuhan virus and it’s resulting aftermath to be blamed squarely on Trump.

    Now, hook or by crook that Trump has been forced out of office, they’ve got a little world war they wish to gin up between the US/UK and the Chinese and Russians.

    Priorities..priorities..

    The United States is at war with China: the United States has always been at war with China.

  35. Over the last year, pro-China propaganda-activists have widely promoted the completely unsubstantiated theory that the Covid virus had accidentally escaped from Ft. Detrick, America’s own premier biowarfare lab, heavily relying upon the fact that for eight months of 2019 major portions of the facility had been ordered shut down by the CDC for serious safety violations a documented lab leak.

    FIFY, Ron.

  36. Ace 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Unz 先生,那些“非正统的 Covid 治疗理论”是什么? 如果你的意思只是 HCQ/锌/抗生素或伊维菌素,它们几乎不是正统的。 如果说有什么区别的话,那就是疫苗在功能上是非正统的,并且与以前有效的“真正的”疫苗不同,如果这是正确的术语的话。

    为将这些明显有效的替代疗法从关于 Covid-19 灾难的可接受辩论领域中移除,我们付出了非凡的努力,这在考虑到所有其他官方作为和不作为的情况时非常重要。 这种经过研究的敌意实际上是在试图拼凑这一事件时要记住的重要古怪之一。 对病毒源自实验室的考虑也有类似的过度厌恶,这难道不有趣吗? 事实上,正如我们现在所知,各个参与者努力强调的是一种对隐瞒的强烈兴趣的迹象。

    • 同意: ebear, Alfred, Wade, RodW
    • 谢谢: Abdul Alhazred
    • 回复: @Emslander
    , @216
    , @Bob
    , @BlackFlag
  37. Levtraro 说:
    @Bragadocious

    Also, why hasn’t Europe embraced this theory? I can’t think of 750 million people who would love to blame America more than Europe.

    Say what? European MSM follows the same guidelines as US’s MSM. In fact, as confessed by Udo Ulfkotte, there are cases when EU journos “write” pieces that come directly fron their American handlers. Currently, major EU organs (few examples, The Guardian, Le Figaro, El Pais) are raising the lab-leak theory to prominence in synchrony with what’s happening in the USA.

    • 同意: YetAnotherAnon
  38. Ace 说:
    @mapman

    Let’s get a look at Dr. Shi’s lab notes then think through the lab leak theory. Right now they’re unavailable for some strange reason. Does that strike you as odd?

    • 回复: @mapman
    , @Ron Unz
    , @GomezAdddams
  39. @anonymous

    Huanan Seafood Market, despite what our media tell us, is not a wet market.
    It’s a seafood market like hundreds of thousands of seafood markets around the world.
    What’s more, it in a big, well-regulated city in a country that has much better public health than the US.

    • 哈哈: Johnny Rico
  40. The hit to US exceptionalism has been so devastating, even their less nationalistic opinion leaders have to make up excuses. “Oh-uh, Coumo wouldn’t have killed tens of thousands of elders by stacking them high, worse than cows before mad cow disease, were it not a BIOWEAPON.”

    Mr Unz version goes even further on the path of copium we saw after 2001 WTC attacks. Then, like here, it was said such a yuuge hit couldn’t have come from an Arab or a Chinese. “You may think US rulers are incompetent, but look, it’s only a fraction of the Politbureau, the remainder being smart enough to create uniquely effective BIOWEAPONS.”

  41. completely unsubstantiated theory that the Covid virus had accidentally escaped from Ft. Detrick

    I would think the fact that an epidemic of novel pneumonia with symptoms identical to COVID, which could not be clinically distinguished from COVID, whose cause 仍然 remains unknown, swept the U.S. in the few months between the documented leak(s) at Fort Detrick and the appearance of COVID in Wuhan, provides substantiation to the theory that COVID is the “agent” that was “released” from “containment” at Fort Detrick due to a “breach” that was characterized as a “failure” of a BSL laboratory’s waste treatment system.

    Unless you have a better explanation for what caused the EVALI epidemic? Or why it suddenly disappeared? The CDC doesn’t.

    • 同意: gay troll
    • 谢谢: RichardDuck
    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Jiminy
  42. Emslander 说:
    @Ace

    This is the new obsession Unz is having with his adolescent “neocons did it” theories. He’s so interested in discrediting his readers that he’s in a continuous cycle of insult and wild unsupported new claims.

    The treatments proposed by Trump and many responsible, experienced medical people were suppressed and cancelled by Unz’s media heroes, leading to many unnecessarily extended flu experiences.

    如果这个帖子是关于 Covid 的,那么它的虚假性就对了。

    • 同意: Alfred
    • 回复: @Ace
  43. cranc 说:
    @Erebus

    这里的读者经常被引导得越走越远。 您绝不是第一个提出这些观点的人。 人们不得不想知道为什么所有的烟雾?

    • 回复: @Erebus
  44. Anonymous[139]• 免责声明 说:

    If this was a rogue operation, it’s misguided to see it as a US vs China affair. The neocons’ main loyalty isn’t to the US but Globalist Hegemony. In other words, they would be capable of carrying out maximum damage to both US and China as long as it benefits globalist hegemony(and doesn’t harm Israel).
    So, instead of a blowback scenario, it could have been a two-pronged attack. One aimed at China, and the purpose might have less economic than political, i.e. the pandemic and economic downturn would finally make the Chinese masses rebel against the Beijing government. So, even though the immediate impact would have been economic, the ultimate goal would likely have been political. Discredit the CCP regime in the eyes of the Chinese. The regime acted swiftly and powerfully however, and even though such measures would have been seen as tyrannical and draconian in the West, perhaps Chinese respect a strong show of will and power. Thus, the CCP regime wasn’t delegitimized.

    If the rogue elements did see the world in terms of China vs US and didn’t want a blowback, they would have done everything to make US authorities take strong measures. But even as the news of a pandemic in China was spreading across social media, both political parties seemed disengaged. Also, Trump seemed more like a deer in the headlight than asleep in the wheel. The fact is he would have taken it more seriously if those around him and those in the media made a big deal of the issue. But on the occasion when Trump did mention the crisis in China and called for travel restrictions, he got massive pushback from the Democrats and the media as a demagogue and xenophobe. Thus, Trump probably felt that the Establishment wasn’t alarmed by it, so why should he be. But it seems he was being played. When he did try to get ahead of the issue, he was called a fear-monger and bigot. Democrats were calling for Chinese New Year celebrations in the streets and called on voters to hug Chinese people. So, naturally Trump thought Covid wouldn’t be much of an issue.
    But just when he let his guard down, the Establishment pushed a new narrative. A deadly pandemic is coming to American shores but Trump didn’t do anything. But Trump got caught off-guard because all indications around him and from the other Party was that the disease was no big deal, nothing to get worked up over.
    What about the fact that there’s ample record of Democrats being as negligent as Trump? Wouldn’t it have been damaging to the Democrats as well? Well, the top leader always get most of the blame, and furthermore, the Narrative is controlled by the globalists. (Governor Cuomo reacted horribly but got protection from the media.) Also, there is role of partisanship. Even Democratic voters who know full well that the likes of Pelosi and Schumer didn’t sound the alarm prefer to go with the Narrative if only to get rid of Trump.

    Even if only a few rogue operators were involved directly, they surely got the wink-wink go-ahead from some very powerful people. Also, once the events were unfolding in a certain way, surely the likes of Pelosi and others suspected that *某物* was up, that there was a plot being hatched against China and/or Trump. If so, why not sound the alarm about bad behavior in the deep state? LOL. Nihilism and Fear. Most of these people in government and deep state only care about power and control. They are utterly without scruples and principles.
    Also, there is the fear factor. If anyone dared voice suspicions, he would be targeted by a massive campaign. Trump was nearly toppled by a total bogus Russia Collusion Hoax, and those behind the scheme are still in the deep state. And look what happened to Tulsi Gabbard for showing an ounce of scruples. No good deed goes unpunished in the halls of power.

    As for the Republicans, they fear the Democrats as the stronger power and know the Deep State is with the globalists. Also, most of them are grifters who hate Trump because populism means they actually have to represent and fight for their constituents against the Deep State and Establishment, something they are too afraid to do. Much easier to take donor money and make personal gains as ‘beautiful losers’ than be brave and get bruised to win ‘ugly’ battles. Also, politicians are essentially vetted for key personality traits. Over time, only those with toady personalities got to enter the gate. They got no fight in them. So, when Trump arrived with populism, it was like someone leading the charge into battle. But most GOP politicians had no will to fight. Why get bloodied in a battle when there’s more to be had as bought-off mercenaries who only put on the charade of being the opposition?

    If the two-pronged attack didn’t work on China(as the CCP regime showed strength and resolve), it certainly worked to unseat Trump by sinking the economy and enabling extraordinary measures during the 2020 election that made fraud both massive and undetectable. But then, the China is one-party state whereas Trump couldn’t take tough measures at the start even if he wanted to because the Democrats, RINOS, mass media, and deep state wouldn’t have allowed it under his lead.
    Any utterance by Trump that something should be done about Covid before the outbreak in the US was either ignored, ridiculed, or mocked as bigoted. So, it seems the powers-that-be made sure that Trump’s hands would be tied against taking any tough measure. This led Trump to believe that Covid wouldn’t be a big deal in 2020. After all, even his biggest enemies weren’t making an issue of it. So, his guard was down, but just when the outbreak happened in the US, the Narrative blamed Trump for the mess. The very powers-that-be that were treating the disease as no big deal(and thus made Trump drop his guard) suddenly shifted course and blamed Trump for the lack of vigilance.

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    This is where Trump was most like a deer in the headlights. Not so much about the disease but about the plot against him. It was like a basketball move. The guy with the ball fakes to the right and then moves left and makes the basket. Deep State faked the move in one way(Covid is no big deal and Trump should calm down) the moved the other way for the kill(Covid is a real killer and Trump didn’t do anything about it).
    Even if there had been an outbreak in the US, Trump would have fared much better if he showed himself to be ahead and top of the game. But, apparently his queries on the Chinese pandemic were met with assurances from those around him. Also, the Democrats and the media were hostile to his proposals for restricting travel to and from China. Because Trump dropped his guard, the other side owned the ball, and the most he could do for the rest of the year was play catch-up. Funny that the disease, along with BLM riots, broke out in 2020, the year of election.

    In the end, it wasn’t the disease itself but the exploitation of it that undermined so much of the world, especially as so much of the media is really an arm of the deep state. Any government that didn’t go along with the Narrative and lockdown could be attacked as uncaring and cruel. So, even regimes that were skeptical of the seriousness of the disease had no choice but to lockdown. As for Third World government, going along with the Narrative would have meant lots of foreign aid, that is if they complied with globalist demands. “We got covid, give us lots of aid, etc.” Good way for Third World rulers to do the grift with the First World.

    As for how the disease was created if indeed it was created as a bio-weapon, it sounds ghoulish to think that US scientists would work on such project. Perhaps, they just do as told or only care about the science without ethical concerns. But surely, many of them do have some sense of ethics and would play whistle-blower if ordered to create bio-weapons. Maybe I’m being naive. Maybe the prizes are too big and punishment too severe.
    Or perhaps, most scientists involved didn’t know they were working on a bio-weapon because they were assigned to work on certain specialized areas. In other words, it isn’t a bio-weapon until all the constituent elements were brought together. It’s like people who are made to make only a piece of the gun wouldn’t know it will become part of a deadly weapon. This suggests there was a mastermind who had a bio-weapon in mind but ordered scientists to work on bits and pieces of the puzzle. It was only when the mastermind took the bits and put them together that they turned into a bio-weapon. Thus, most scientists who worked on it wouldn’t even know they worked on a bio-weapon. They likely thought they were just doing research on virus and disease. Fauci himself seems too stupid to have been the mastermind. He seems more like a mouthpiece.

    In The Godfather Part II, Hyman Roth plays it ‘beautifully'(in Tom Hagen’s words) when he orders Rosato Brothers to make a mock-hit on Pantangeli and make it seem like Michael was behind it, thus turning Pantangeli against Michael when it had been Roth all along. If the rogue theory is true, something like this might have happened.

    • 同意: anonym25, Dnought
    • 哈哈: Emslander
    • 回复: @anonym25
  45. Anonymous[234]• 免责声明 说:
    @Ever Becoming

    I would think the fact that an epidemic of novel pneumonia with symptoms identical to COVID, which could not be clinically distinguished from COVID

    Other than both affecting primarily lungs, the two have hardly anything in common, with obviously distinct presentation. Not to mention completely distinct epidemiology, with EVALI showing no sign of being contagious beyond being “contagious” as something like obesity.

    • 巨魔: Ever Becoming
    • 回复: @naill
    , @Atomada
    , @Vidi
  46. Feuerbach 说:

    I don’t know Wade, he might have connections to US intelligence, but the sudden reversal in mainstream media is preparing everyone for the National COVID Commission.

    http://edwardcurtin.com/second-stage-terror-wars/

    Philip Zelikow, the deep state swamp animal responsible for the fictional 9/11 Commission Report, is head of the COVID Commission planning group.

    In six months the official narrative in the West will be that COVID is 100% a Chinese bioweapon and that China needs to be punished by all means possible. Just wait and see.

    • 同意: Miro23, RichardDuck
  47. Miro23 说:

    The most likely suspects would be rogue elements of our national security establishment, probably some of the Deep State Neocons whom Trump had placed near the top of his administration.

    This small handful of high-level plotters would have then drawn upon the resources of the American national security apparatus to actually carry out the operation.

    Agree that the evidence points in their direction. This Neocon/CIA/Deep state crowd have years of experience plus a track record of dirty undercover work around the globe. Also, there may not be just a small handful of them. Their operations are closely synchronized with the MSM to propagandize “events” such that the public gets the right spin at high volume from day one.

    For example, when the Covid-19 story broke, the public almost instantly learned about Wuhan wet markets, bats, caves and animal-human transmission (no investigation necessary). The 9/11 story worked the same way. From day 1 the public received a detailed pre-prepared story, at blank out volume, about Arab terrorist pilots, Osama Bin Laden, caves in Afghanistan, pilot training schools etc. (again no investigation necessary).

    The current Covid-19 project went public when the virus was introduced into Wuhan – with the MSM embedding the idea of the “China Virus”. It appeared in the West (maybe not blowback) and became the China Virus – wrecking western economies – accompanied by orchestrated MSM hysteria (forcing excessive lockdowns and excessive economic damage).

    So, when the damage is plain to see, the story suddenly changes.

    The “China Virus” mutates into the “China Lab Virus” which is only a step away from the “China Biological Weapon Lab Virus” (used to attack us). One way or another, China is being set up, the same a Iraq was set up by WMD – and it’s the same people doing it.

    It’s clear that China isn’t Iraq, but the Neo-cons have probably still made the (very high risk) calculation that the US has sufficient power to defeat China in a conventional war in the South China Sea. Western forces are already heading there, and the US has done a “U” turn with Putin/Russia (for example on Nord Stream 2) presumably to try to keep them neutral.

    • 同意: Carroll Price
    • 回复: @Emslander
    , @lysias
    , @Herald
  48. Erebus 说:
    @cranc

    您绝不是第一个提出这些观点的人。

    I’m neither the first nor the only, but they’re worth making as often as the smoke gets released.

    恕我直言,探索这些问题不仅会带来有关病毒起源的好处,更重要的是会产生关于动机的线索,进而了解大流行模因给我们带来的方向。

    数十亿年来,病毒来来去去,但这一次,整个世界以惊人的协调和目标的单一性做出了反应。 此外,这种反应似乎不仅与实际威胁而且与其声称的目的奇怪地不一致。

    That’s surely the most interesting aspect of this moment in history and so it’s what begs the most interesting questions.

    • 同意: Nancy, ebear, Emslander, Kali, FB, Voltara
    • 回复: @FB
  49. #covidhoax was Barney the Dinosaur propped up as a Jurassic Park T-Rex.

    With globalists’ tyrannical “test run” mostly over, data collected and lives and economies left in ruins, it’s better for them to throw Fraudci & Friends to the wolves while they quietly slip out the back.

    • 同意: Emslander
    • 回复: @GMC
  50. anonymous[437]• 免责声明 说:

    “The most likely suspects would be rogue elements… drawn upon the resources of the American national security apparatus… CIA operatives or members of special forces… sent to Wuhan to release it. … would have believed that they were participating in a fully authorized military strike”

    In procedural terms this is demonstrably exactly what happened. But in terms of the implications we ought to RTFM. The relevant manual being, of course, State Responsibility for Internationally Wrongful Acts.

    https://legal.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/commentaries/9_6_2001.pdf

    The relevant section is Chapter II, Attribution of Conduct to a State. Article 7 makes it clear that letting rogue elements run wild doesn’t get you off the hook: “The conduct of an organ of a State or of a person or entity empowered to exercise elements of the governmental authority shall be considered an act of the State under international law if the organ, person or entity acts in that capacity, even if it exceeds its authority or contravenes instructions.”

    The world knows how CIA works, breaking the law behind the back of demented vegetables they installed.

    Under Chapter III SARS-COV-2 is a serious breach by the the US CIA command structure of an obligation arising under peremptory norms of international law, that is, sneak attack using banned biological weapons in breach of the 1929 Geneva Convention, the BWTC, and Hague Convention (III.)

    Article 34 sets out state responsibility as restitution, compensation with interest, or satisfaction, which may include prosecution of specified CIA criminals, since Article 58 reads, “These articles are without prejudice to any question of the individual responsibility under international law of any person acting on behalf of a State.” That is to say, individual CIA criminals are subject to prosecution or extradition in universal jurisdiction law with no statute of limitations. But their criminal conduct is state conduct for which the state must pay. And every country in the world has got a beef.

    • 谢谢: RichardDuck
  51. GayDad69 说:

    Ctrl f “函数增益”

    罗恩没有结果。

    美国政府和华人在武汉功能研究方面的合作,清楚地表明我们的叛徒精英(其中许多是犹太人)在这个项目上与华人合作……但你没有提到它。 它会抑制你的“它一直是美国,SCOOB!” 理论,这不是中国人——或者你,显然——想要的。

    你嫁给了中国女人吗? 你明明是在为sinos保水,不知道是不是这个原因?

    即使是现在所谓的“另类媒体”也没有合法性。

  52. mapman 说:

    Re: “Gain of function”

    Does everyone here realize that GoF has no precise definition? That it is in fact much fuzzier than most other definitions? Think of GoF as “racism” – it can mean anything one wants it to mean! Practically any mutagenesis screen can be called a gain of function (even if it is in fact a loss of function). As such, e.g., just about any genetic research on tuberculosis can be claimed to constitute a GoF research.

    A narrow meaning could be accepted for the purpose of this debate: “Any research that explicitly aims to generate organisms more pathogenic to humans”.

    Under this definition, it’s not very likely that the Chinese contributed to Covid. Why? Well, how about “because they are not stupid”?

    • 回复: @Humbert Humbert
  53. lloyd 说: • 您的网站

    Ron Unz’s article however fascinating does not once mention Israel. The attack on China is explained as economic warfare. But why was Iran made the next priority? Only Israel hates Iran so much as to wish its leadership dead. China is America’s Deep State bird, and Iran is Israel’s. Playing Hamlet without Hamlet?

    • 同意: Titus Jerusalem Smasher
    • 回复: @Titus Jerusalem Smasher
  54. 216 说: • 您的网站
    @Ace

    It’s not our house, not our rules.

    The mistake our people make time after time is violating the rules as a power trip. That’s why our people are banned from all the Big Tech platforms.

    We are free to argue against the “vaccine passport” and argue against mandatory vaccination.

    • 回复: @Ace
  55. mapman 说:
    @Ace

    让我们看看石博士的实验室笔记,然后思考实验室泄漏理论。 现在由于某种奇怪的原因它们不可用。 这让你觉得奇怪吗?

    一点也不。 在两个非常熟悉的层面上,很容易理解为什么中国人认为这是不可接受的:

    1. They know how propaganda works: “Give them a finger, they will attempt to bite a whole hand”. In this, the Chinese are (for very good reasons) very apprehensive about the whole investigation being turned into a never-ending series of political gotchas based on relatively minor biosafety violations that may be discovered (something that every BSL-4 lab in the world is always fretting about).

    2. They are reluctant to voluntarily open up 100% of what they view as their crowning scientific achievements – something that’s guaranteed to be a result of the kind of intrusive investigation demanded by the US Congress critters.

    底线是, 不管他们有没有罪,他们认为这是一个双输的提议。

    • 回复: @Ace
    , @Ben the Layabout
  56. Ron Unz 说:
    @Ace

    让我们看看石博士的实验室笔记,然后思考实验室泄漏理论。 现在由于某种奇怪的原因它们不可用。 这让你觉得奇怪吗?

    Sure, it’s perfectly fair that the Chinese provide the world full access to Dr. Shi’s lab notes…so long as America does the same with all of our own researchers at Ft. Detrick!

  57. The key question. Why did the US government fund such research in China? Why not in the USA? That can never be answered without revealing embarrassing secrets.

    • 回复: @RichardDuck
  58. anon[384]• 免责声明 说:

    … with regard to the origins of the global Covid epidemic, which has devastated much of the world.

    我在这里停止阅读。

    • 同意: Emslander
    • 回复: @Ray Caruso
    , @TKK
  59. BLESTO-V 说:

    将纽约杂志称为“有声望的”是奥威尔式的。

  60. TG 说:

    一个有趣的帖子。

    I kind of favor the lab leak hypothesis, because I know just how careless scientists are (myself included), and the push to get major fundable work done quickly can easily throw caution aside. Still, that nothing was (apparently) published about “gain of function” research is concerning.

    And I could believe any amount of stupidity from our so-called elites, but that’s not proof of anything.

    Still, I can’t see that the media about-face about the “lab leak” hypothesis had anything to do with a well written independent article, well, color me totally skeptical. Since when has our media cared about reason or facts? The about-face on this issue by the corporate press simply has to be due to some other agenda, not facts, not reason.

  61. Ray Caruso 说:

    “I think a strong case may be made that the Covid epidemic has been the most important global event since World War II”

    Not even close. The most important—and most tragic event—since World War II has been the Western elites’ betrayal of their countrymen, which betrayal took the form of inviting the hordes of Africa and the Moslem world to invade our homelands, dispossess us, and attack us. Covid-19, if it exists at all, is a mere cold virus. It has not substantially raised the death rate. Old people and sick people have always been carried off by respiratory viruses in large numbers. The only difference between now and then is that each one of those deaths has become a news event. Nothing unusual is going on in terms of public health, only in terms of mass hysteria.

    • 同意: St-Germain
    • 回复: @St-Germain
  62. Ray Caruso 说:
    @anon

    Same here. A virus that, if it exists at all, only kills those who were about to die anyway—the Italians let escape that the average victim is 81 years old and has 2.7 comorbidities—has not, by any imaginable standard, devastated the world. What has affected the world is the hysterical faggotry.

    Did the US or China release the virus?

    没有

    • 同意: Robert Bruce
    • 回复: @GomezAdddams
  63. 我不同意。

    绝对、完全控制 MSM 和所有西方新闻中的叙述。 愚蠢的公众关注的焦点将是武汉实验室泄漏。 不是对中国的生物武器攻击。 至少,从现在开始,G7 和 QUAD 公众将被不间断地喂饱。 他们会相信的。

    这是新叙述的时机是美国的疫苗接种数量。

    • 同意: R2b
  64. TKK 说:
    @Emslander

    Yes. Something is off.

    The MSM and it’s tentacles have crushed all dissent, probably stole an election and installed their candidate. Why reverse course now?

    崔伯诺???

  65. Nancy 说:
    @Erebus

    总结得很好..IMO。 再补充一点,面对可证明的事实,令人目瞪口呆、厚颜无耻的审查制度! 确实,在丹麦,有些东西臭到了天堂。

  66. Nancy 说:
    @Emslander

    Well, ‘Cyber Polygon’ is fast approaching. To serve the same purpose as the ‘201 Event’ ?

  67. @Erebus

    Zimbabwe’ death rate fell to zero within 2 weeks after rescinding their ban on Ivermectin. Delhi’s death rate is collapsing shortly after rescinding their ban.

    We can add Nigeria to that list. I’m in Australia. I went to my doctor and asked for an Ivermectin prescription so we in this house would have it in a cupboard on standby, just in case one of us was infected.

    He said that was impossible, he’d lose his job / career.

    But he said he’d travelled to Nigeria in the past (or maybe a few weeks ago, I didn’t quiz him) and had stayed in touch. He said Ivermectin was the treatment there.

    And you say Zimbabwe’s death rate fell to 在取消他们的禁令后。 哇! 有了这样的统计数据,显然,显然,显然是最好的治疗,而且成本几乎为零,为什么除了少数独立国家之外,那里、这里、任何地方都禁止?

    Oh yes. Costs next to nothing. That can’t be allowed by Big Pharma. So, the ban.

    So was it America’s bio-warfare against China or was it Big Pharma’s bio-warfare against us all, for the money, that produced this plague?

    我想知道俄罗斯是否像津巴布韦、印度、尼日利亚一样允许伊维菌素,尽管他们已经开发出最好的疫苗。

    • 回复: @DrWatson
  68. Anon62 说:

    three Wuhan lab researchers had fallen seriously ill during November 2019 . . .

    But what if these three had all been in attendance at the Wuhan Military Games a month earlier? What if they caroused with the US athletes and later showed the same athletes around the exotic sights of Wuhan such as the delictable bats on offer in the seafood market?

    The Wuhan metro is like the NYC subway, a heavily utilized transportation network. What if rowdy American marines, sick French paras, a few unwell Iranian sharpshooters, and one or two wretchedly sick Italian corporals all used the Wuhan metro as the primary means of getting between their events and their hotels each day?

    What are the implications of these events for the citizens of Wuhan? Will the US intelligence services investigate these aspects of urban transportation networks and diligently report on the potential to communicate disease?

    It must be noted that nothing in the preceding paragraphs adduces any evidence as to the origin of the virus. All that is being described is a highly likely mode of transmission in a densely populated urban centre. Does any reader hold the belief that reading other peoples mail, listening in to their telephone conversations, or “scraping” up bits of their social media, represents a scientifically valid means of determining the origin of a pathogen which has killed a significant number of people, destroyed livelihoods, and given rise to highly repressive authoritarian liberal democracies? Will those same highly repressive authoritarian liberal democracies have any genuine interest in an accurate identification of origin?

    Is there any reason to believe that the UK variant, or the South African variant, or the Indian variant of COVID, all of which are reported to be of increased lethality and heightened communicability, were each of them the product of a laboratory? Does anyone truly believe nature regularly generates mutations and variance?

    As to Mr Wade and his reported brilliance can someone please enlighten me with respect to the options foreclosed when he titles an essay: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at 武汉?

    • 回复: @Greta Handel
  69. Nancy 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Did Fauci/Ecohealth pay for that work? and thereby have a legal right to the notebooks? Also, I can understand China’s interest in countering devastating diseases that destroyed their pork, wheat, and ?, production. Hope someone is working on healthy banana production… or we lose the delicious Cavendish!

  70. @Neuromancer

    Yes indeed. As far as I know, FB still censors 乌兹网 links. That’s where the real threat to the system lies.

    • 同意: Carroll Price
  71. Blade2 说:

    This does not at all address why China was releasing footage of people convulsing and dying in the streets in early 2020. What purpose did this propaganda serve if they were not complicit in generating a false sense of fear about the virus?

    • 回复: @naill
  72. anonym25 说:
    @Anonymous

    I’ve been saying as well that both China and Trump were ultimately the main victims of this whole affair. China did its thing and locked down the Hubei province extremely fast just when the outbreak was about to spin out of control. Trump, on the other hand, wasn’t so lucky and messed up his own intervention. But, we need to explain why Trump showed extreme resentment towards China after he had praised on several occasions Xi Jin Ping’s handlings of the situation back in january 2020.

    However, Xi Jin Ping didn’t let Trump start an investigation about the outbreak after he had withdrawn US scientists from the Wuhan lab back in late september 2019 and this is where mutual suspicion between both presidents grew, I believe.

  73. “ 4) The deadly SARS and MERS outbreaks in East Asia and the Near East had never significantly spread back to America (or Europe), so the plotters wrongly assumed that the same would be the case with Covid-19.”

    I disagree with this hypothesis, I caught the SARS virus on the central coast of California, my home state. SARS did arrive here, even though my general practitioner and respiratory special was unable to to determine my constant coughing for three weeks, it wasn’t until I checked into emergency, and after extensive testing, the ER doctor determined I had SARS.

    Was it a Pretrial run for C19, I do believe it was. The deep state was targeting specific individuals in specific areas for the ultimate aim of eliminating those they want to silence. C19 was their finale solution for mass infection with the final finishing Black Death 2.0 soon to arrive to distract from the previous and so on and so on until we are no more.

    They really do want to kill us all.

  74. utu 说:

    What if the virus is natural? We are still missing scientific refereed papers giving the best proof that the virus is man made. What we have seen so far are works by bloggers like Yuri Deigin who subsequently was a co-author of a paper with Rossana Segreto (who unlike him is associated with legitimate research institution where she is a postdoc):

    The genetic structure of SARS-CoV-2 does not rule out a laboratory origin (17 November 2020)
    Rossana Segreto, Yuri Deigin
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/bies.202000240

    This paper however was criticized:

    There is no evidence of SARS-CoV-2 laboratory origin: Response to Segreto and Deigin (09 March 2021)
    Alexander Tyshkovskiy, Alexander Y. Panchin

    These and other arguments significantly weaken the hypothesis of a laboratory origin for SARS-CoV-2, while the hypothesis of a natural origin is consistent with all available genetic and experimental data.

    Naturally occurring indels in multiple coronavirus spikes (Nov 2020)
    Robert F. Garry and William R. Gallaher
    https://virological.org/t/naturally-occurring-indels-in-multiple-coronavirus-spikes/560

    Proponents of theories for the unnatural origin of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) have asserted that the 12 nucleotide insert in the spike gene, which results in acquisition of a furin cleavage site in spike, may have arisen by laboratory manipulation (Relman, 2020; Segreto and Deigin, 2020; Seyran et al., 2020; Sirotkin and Sirotkin, 2020). Here, we compile evidence demonstrating that insertion/deletion (indel) events at the S1/S2 and S2’ protease cleavage sites of the spike precursors are commonly occurring natural features of coronavirus evolution. We also identify heretofore undescribed similarities in the S1/S2 and S2’ cleavage sites of multiple diverse coronavirus spikes that provide further evidence against a laboratory origin of SARS-CoV-2.

    Spike protein mutations in novel SARS-CoV-2 ‘variants of concern’ commonly occur in or near indels.
    Robert F. Garry1, Kristian G. Andersen, William R. Gallaher, Tommy Tsan-Yuk Lam, Karthik Gangaparapu, Alaa Abdel Latif, Brandon J. Beddingfield, Andrew Rambaut10 and Edward C. Holmes
    https://virological.org/t/spike-protein-mutations-in-novel-sars-cov-2-variants-of-concern-commonly-occur-in-or-near-indels/605

    Hence, analyses suggesting that the evolutionary origins of the RmYN02 S1/S2 cleavage site can be revealed by a simple nucleotide alignment (Segreto and Deigin, 2020) are overly simplistic. The current analysis shows that indel regions 1, 6 and 7, like indel region 8, are complex. These four evolutionarily volatile regions have been subjected to more than one and possibly several insertion or deletion events during sarbecovirus evolution, which cannot be defined by superficial analyses of the underlying nucleotide sequence.

    Then there is a paper that already has been hailed by Daily Mail (read MI6 organ of disinfo) to be a breakthrough proving lab origin by one British and one Norwegian scientists:

    EXCLUSIVE: COVID-19 ‘has NO credible natural ancestor’ and WAS created by Chinese scientists who then tried to cover their tracks with ‘retro-engineering’ to make it seem like it naturally arose from bats, explosive new study claims (28 May 2021)

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9629563/Chinese-scientists-created-COVID-19-lab-tried-cover-tracks-new-study-claims.html

    Their paper (Angus Dalgleish and Birger Sørensen) is not published yet but I saw it preprint (which unfortunately now I can’t find) which did note impress to be objective and very scientific. The paper cr;clearly had an agenda and was very weak on arguments.

    • 回复: @Brás Cubas
    , @Mark Hunter
  75. @Rahan

    Isn’t it convenient that Global Homo HIV/AIDS killed 38 million with another 35 million incubators spreading it around with impunity. Then all of a sudden, C19 arrives and those 35 million HIV/AIDS incubators disappeared from the face of the earth.
    It makes you wonder how many Global Homos died from C19. A convenient way to alter ones death certificate to cover up the spread of Global Homo HIV/AIDS.
    As Joe PopCorn once said, “this is phucing big”.

    • 谢谢: Rahan
  76. ebear 说:
    @Bragadocious

    “Except in the case of Iran–how?”

    https://en.mehrnews.com/news/148223/Iran-ready-to-export-gas-to-China-via-IP-gas-pipeline-Jahangiri

    https://irannewsdaily.com/2021/04/iran-china-agreement-nullifies-usa-sanctions/

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2020/07/17/china-and-iran-approach-massive-400-billion-deal/?sh=7aaef6752a16

    All of which would require high level contact between the two countries, including follow-ups by subordinate agencies.

    It could have been inadvertently introduced by a Chinese delegation, or done clandestinely by elements hostile to the increasing cooperation between the two nations. Take your pick.

    As for Milan, it is the center of the the Italian garment industry, with many connections to China and many Chinese employed there.

    • 回复: @dgh
    , @Admiral Assbar
  77. utu 说:

    Perhaps I am too jaded and too cynical but I was not born yesterday so I do not get Ron Unz’s excitement bordering on righteous outrage about discovering the example of Orwellian phase shift. This is normal, always was and always will be. Important issues of great political implications can’t be left w/o official narrative that must be guarded and protected while the opposite narratives must be suppressed. Besides the new narrative about lab leak in China is not new. From the day one it has been floated in Israel, UK and US. Probably only because Trump was partial to it that narrative was suppressed and did not get official approval and traction right away.

    I would be more interested in looking into why the virus eradication policy similar to that in China, Taiwan and NZ was not opted for in the West. In fact eradication was never put on the table. There was even a lot of opposition against much less restrictive ‘flatten the curve’ strategy which in long run is not too effective while the ‘let it rip’ option had many advocates in high places (Sunetra Gupta of Oxford had some dealings with MOD when she became the face of the anti-lockdown approach and concocted fraudulent paper claiming that the pandemic was almost over in the UK).

    The question is whether the indolence and stupidity exhibited in the West is what some actors actually wanted. If you want to blame China for something and have a legitimate claims against China you must show injuries China caused. It is not impossible that US Congress will allow individual Americans sue China for damages and suffering they experience as the result of criminal neglect and mendacity of Chinese government.

    • 回复: @Iris
    , @Anon
  78. …次年,猪流感病毒摧毁了超过 40% 的猪群,这是中国的主要肉类来源。

    也就是说,在少数猪死亡(或检测呈阳性,我不知道)后,政府下令销毁 40% 的猪群,作为“减缓传播”的预防措施。

  79. @Ray Caruso

    Mother Nature is a mysterious entity and her tectonic sons keep this global warming issue red hot and keeps scholars such as Greta Thunberg delivering speeches. Those Chinese now have a new treatment for reducing both suphide and carbon monoxide emissions from coal exhaust ——to almost 0 pollutants from burning Coal —–proven in Serbia —is this why Clinton bombed Serbia –or was it over the Lolita Express??

  80. Israel Shamir’s recent article mentions how bomb threats the world over have to be taken seriously.
    Yet almost every time it turns out to be a hoax.

    When your country is ringed with hostile biowarfare labs, then so too must every “virus scare” be addressed as if it’s the real thing.
    Especially when there are telling factors, such as recent military games with suspicious characters.

    Unlike a bomb, a pathogen continues to be a threat after the “explosion”. And moreso as time passes.
    The disruption, the social political & economic damage caused by a fake virus can be just as great as the real thing.
    That’s one of the take-home messages that would have been learned from Event 201.

    China and Russia could not take any risks because what if it were not a hoax?

    Some interesting statistics here:

    http://preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1184

    .. more questions than answers, but points to deliberate engineering & targeting (even if the virus – or rebranded cold/flu – is so weak that only the decrepit succumb).

  81. 这很简单。
    The Jew does not view Truth as objective and innate the way Europeans, the founders of a Scientific Revolution, do.
    We need an Independent commission to investigate the jew spew media’s manipulation of Covid-19, aka Sars Cov-2, for political purposes.
    We then need to execute all the liars and scum, owners and editors that is.
    After we clear out the media filth, we then need to go after AIPAC and tear that corrupt swamp apart for espionage, corruption, etc. More executions iow.
    Then we go after Congress, the Senate and Senior bureaucracy.
    Once we have control over politics we amend the Supreme Court, election finance and more.

    The final nut is the Pentagon-MIC.
    With this last power broken, we then expell every jew and half-jew.
    This is a blue print for America First.
    2 Years. One and done.

  82. Emslander 说:
    @Miro23

    Explain who the neocons were that would have had the temerity to execute this plan. You’re blowing the same smoke out your orifices that Unz spews. It’s an idiotic theory with a preposterousness rating of ten!

  83. GMC 说:
    @Sick of Orcs

    Absolutely, Biden can’t start a new RussiaGate, so they will start the CoronaGate up , with the same Intel guys running the show. Then the boyz will slip out the back, as noted.

    • 谢谢: Sick of Orcs
  84. Emslander 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Sure, it’s perfectly fair that the Chinese provide the world full access to Dr. Shi’s lab notes…so long as America does the same with all of our own researchers at Ft. Detrick!

    Based on what foundation? The Ron Unz (Nobody) theory of the week?

    I’d personally like to see Fort Detrick bulldozed over, plowed under and the earth salted in perpetuity where it now exists, but your “demand” is silly pouting.

  85. meamjojo 说:

    IF Covid-19 WAS a Chinese bio-weapon, they did a crap poor job of building it, since it only wound up killing a relatively small percentage of infected people.

    Or was the goal not to kill people but instead to soften them up to accept w/o hesitancy whatever is in the concoction that is being put into many millions of arms? On this basis, it was a success!

    • 同意: Skeptikal
    • 回复: @CelestiaQuesta
    , @Skeptikal
  86. JWalters 说:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    I agree as far as you go. But if we consider that the Israelis did the JFK and RFK assassinations, and 9/11 with its anthrax attacks (anthrax from USA’s Fort Detrick), and the peculiarly quick COVID deaths among Iran’s top leaders, and the oligarchy plundering of America’s economy under cover of COVID, it seems to me the Israelis and their oligarchy backers are the most logical suspects.

    And now evidence that COVID may have been engineered to pass over a particular ethnic group.
    “Cynthia McKinney on “When China Sneezes” —the Best COVID Book Yet”
    https://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_cynthia-mckinney-on-when-china-sneezes-the-best-covid-book-yet/

  87. Thank you Mr Unz for that article.

    Maybe we should also take the Epstein link to all that madness. What do you people think of this?:

    http://visupview.blogspot.com/2021/05/give-em-enough-rope.html

  88. DrWatson 说:

    Let’s keep a record of the willing idiots who let their names used to debunk the lab-origin theory of Covid-19:

    “The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2

    Kristian G. Andersen, Andrew Rambaut, W. Ian Lipkin, Edward C. Holmes & Robert F. Garry

    Nature Medicine volume 26, pages 450–452 (2020)

    To the Editor — Since the first reports of novel pneumonia (COVID-19) in Wuhan, Hubei province, China1,2, there has been considerable discussion on the origin of the causative virus, SARS-CoV-23 (also referred to as HCoV-19)4. Infections with SARS-CoV-2 are now widespread, and as of 11 March 2020, 121,564 cases have been confirmed in more than 110 countries, with 4,373 deaths5.

    SARS-CoV-2 is the seventh coronavirus known to infect humans; SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 can cause severe disease, whereas HKU1, NL63, OC43 and 229E are associated with mild symptoms6. Here we review what can be deduced about the origin of SARS-CoV-2 from comparative analysis of genomic data. We offer a perspective on the notable features of the SARS-CoV-2 genome and discuss scenarios by which they could have arisen. Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus设立的区域办事处外,我们在美国也开设了办事处,以便我们为当地客户提供更多的支持。“

    All the authors work at prestigious institutes, notably Kristian G. Andersen at the Scripps Institute and W. Ian Lipkin at Columbia University. They already “knew” last year that the virus is NOT a “laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus”. Pathetic fools.

  89. Vojkan 说:

    An immediate total lockdown at the very start of an epidemic seems like a disproportionate response and only makes sense if the Chinese authorities thought that their country was the target of biological warfare.

    As for the MSM, I don’t think they are merely “cowardly or incompetent”, they are quite bold and skilful at character assassination or promotion of war. I think rather that they revel in complacency, mendacity and servility.

  90. “用他的话来说,‘高传染性、低致死率的疾病非常适合破坏经济,’这表明冠状病毒的明显特征在这方面接近最佳。”

    我不确定这是真的。 在任何流行病中,造成经济损失的一个主要原因是使用严格的大规模检疫措施来控制疾病。 就 COVID 19 而言,由于与该疾病相关的发病率和死亡率风险相对较低,政府一直在努力保持公众对此类措施的遵守。

    为确保这种合规性,政府和媒体需要协同和持续的努力来灌输对这种疾病的恐惧感,这种恐惧感与其给个人和社会带来的实际风险不成比例。 高传染性、高致死率的疾病在造成经济损失方面会更有效,因为它需要严格和长期的隔离措施,同时确保公众无限期地遵守这些措施。

  91. Schuetze 说:

    There is another alternative news site besides UR that has been continually hammering for over a year on the lab leak and bio-warfare aspect of this plandemic: Trunews.

    On Friday May 28 Trunews was hit with a “Corona Virus Cluster” and Rick Wiles is in the hospital.

    https://gab.com/TRUNEWS/posts/106304090417953625

    “Flowing Streams is experiencing a sudden cluster of flu and Covid among some employees and their relatives. Rick Wiles made the decision tonight to close the offices and studios until a TBA date next week.

    Our team needs to tend to sick family members. Please pray for your TruNews team.”

    To me it is pretty clear that this was a hit, especially in light of it happening precisely at the same time that their “wild covid” narrative falls apart.

    Since Ron Unz is almost as big a thorn in their side as Rick Wiles, I would suggest that Ron Unz should double his vitamin C, D and Zinc intake and make sure he has plenty of Ivermectine and Hydroychloroquine on hand. Also I would suggest that Ron should stock up on fly swatters and keep his eye and ears open for mysterious nano-drones and insects buzzing around.

    • 谢谢: Pop Warner
    • 回复: @Schuetze
  92. The bioweapon thesis can be discounted by the thought that serious bioweapon development is necessarily paralleled by development of a countermeasure. You have to be able to protect your own people before you release the bioweapon into the wild. Since no effective countermeasure to Covid-19 has appeared anywhere one doubts the bioweapon proposal.

    • 回复: @Kevin Barrett
  93. Z-man 说:

    You have to thank Tucker Carlson for keeping Glen Greenwald alive (relevant) and the late Don Imus with respect to Matt Taibbi for doing the same.
    If not known for anything else Taibbi will be immortalized for this; Taibbi 将高盛描述为“吸血鬼乌贼 wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money”. [50] From Wikipedia.

    • 同意: TKK, Bill
    • 回复: @Miro23
  94. dimples 说:

    Mr Unz’s horse is dead but he continues to flog it while still believing it to exhibit signs of life. The theory revolves around a ‘rogue group’ of operatives who are those responsible. The existence of such a rogue group can never be proven or disproven, so Mr Unz’s theory unfortunately falls into the same category. The lab-leak theory at least has circumstantial evidence, so will probably have to do for the rest of us.

  95. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @Erebus

    我在所有方面都同意你。

    参见 Andrea Cecci 的 The Right Virus At the Right Time,以获得一个非常合理的解释。

    这次“大流行”做了什么? 如果它是为了毁灭中国,那是历史上最严重的失败。

    如果它是为了让西方经济通缩,它就大获成功。

    你为什么要这样做? 也许是为了阻止迫在眉睫的庞氏骗局? 你知道,大的。

    如果利率上升,超过 2,500 万亿的衍生品将会繁荣[这是全球 GDP 总和的 30 多倍......去年秋天,回购市场大坝开始破裂。

    美联储的大量注资并没有阻止它。 有现金的人不再愿意为 T 票据支付高价,这意味着潜在的利息上升。 然后中子弹就爆炸了。

    在那之后是全面崩溃。 每个人都死的飞机失事——因为没有流动性。

    经济停摆扼杀了对信贷的需求,并阻止了利率上升。 这至少是暂时的缓刑——飞机至少正在滑翔到最终坠毁地点。

    对我来说,这比在中国散播病毒的一些关键 kops 计划更有意义——这恰好变成了最大的 *回旋镖* 在历史上。

    • 同意: Stonehands
    • 谢谢: R2b
    • 回复: @Nancy
  96. Dumbo 说:

    Now that even Facecuck is allowing comments about the virus being “made in a lab” (as long as you blame China), I guess to prepare us for the next psy-ops, I find it weird that so little is still being said about alternative types of treatments (ivermectin?), or any real discussion about the vaccines and their possible long-term effects (“it’s completely safe”, says Facecuck, so I guess that’s enough for 99% of the population), nor about “vaccine passports”, nor about the fact that vaccines will likely have to be annual and so our rights to travel or assemble will be based on an annual vaccination ritual. So I guess the “made in a lab” thing is just yet another distraction.

  97. naill 说:
    @Gina Schrank

    I also think that Trump was not totally innocent about what was going on. He was part of 3 unusual events at the beginning of the pandemic.

    1. There was few, almost no testing, of the virus being carried out for at least 2 months to the end of February. Despite German developed diagnostic kits being available, through WHO, from early January, the CDC wanted to design their own diagnostic kits. There were constant delays and various excuses, some manufacturing problem which was never explained and CDC wanting to get perfect results before allowing the tests to start. This issue was of great concern to doctors and the delay was unusual, even a former CDC director saying that tests in the past were always produced very quickly. Trump was silent on this.

    2. The White House (around March 12) ordered the FHA to treat all meetings on the coroanvirus as classified. This was despite many medical personnel criticising such as move as it was restricting vital information and hampering the government response.

    3. On May 29 as the pandemic was starting to take hold, Trump announced that the US will leave the WHO. This went ahead in spite of groups representing infectious disease doctors, pediatricians and GPs all protesting this move.

    These are not the actions of an innocent president. These are the actions of someone who has something to hide.

    • 同意: Ever Becoming
    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  98. 恩兹
    You should stick to extolling the virtues of Cholo Immigration. You got a few things correct.

    Manipulating viruses is not that hard. Fauci through Ecohealth farmed this out to that lab in China…

    Now if you want to say that it is a bio weapon created by the US… then that would be how it would have worked dumb ass… not your silly ramblings about US troops blah blah blah..

    Now if Fauci and company had worked with the DoD for some sort of attack… you might have something you Open Border cheerleader..

    Now why would DoD do this.. when Wall St… bankers… Apple and every fucking corporation in the US gets damn near everything it sells from China? hmmmm…

    DoD does not call the shots… the Deep State does. Now if the Deep State decided on this attack you might have something…

    But noo.. it was from the US, but it was NIH not DoD stupid… China was happy to take the funding to play with the virus…

  99. John Wear 说:

    Dr. Andrew Kaufman, MD states that what is identified under the microscopes as the SARS-CoV-2 virus is actually identical to exosomes, which are structures that release toxins from cells. Such toxins can result from numerous sources such as flu shots having no relationship to the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

    Does anyone know for sure that the SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated? According to Dr. Kaufman, none of Robert Koch’s four postulates has been performed by doctors or scientists to prove that the SARS-CoV-2 virus exists.

    • 谢谢: R2b
    • 回复: @R2b
  100. naill 说:
    @Anonymous

    It’s also interesting that the Chinese did not notice that COVID was contagious in the beginning. In fact they said there was no human to human transmission for more than a week before then correcting themselves.

  101. Tom Welsh 说:

    “…in less than one month a self-published article had already changed what nearly three billion individuals around the world were allowed to read and write”.

    A slight exaggeration! If you stick your head into a noose, you should not be surprised (although you might, briefly before everything goes black, feel indignant) when someone tightens it.

    Facebook may be OK for exchanging family photographs and jokes – although I wouldn’t risk it – but serious discussions don’t belong there.

  102. Tom Welsh 说:

    “… McNeil entirely reversed his opinion on the origins of the virus, endorsing a theory that he and other mainstream journalists had spent more than a year dismissing as “far right” lunacy…”

    This is hardly surprising. It has always been a fundamental strategy of newspapers and other media to inflate people and situations as much as possible, before deflating them. That way they get twice as much sensationalism out of each topic.

    People are wonderful – then, gradually, turn out to have been fraudsters, child abusers or terrorists.

    The same applies, mutatis mutandis, to plans, products, political platforms, etc.

    • 谢谢: Ever Becoming
  103. geokat62 说:

    … the virus eventually known as Covid-19…

    The virus is referred to as SARS‑CoV‑2. The disease is referred to as Covid-19.

  104. DrWatson 说:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Text from the FDA:

    “Ivermectin Products for Animals Are Different from Ivermectin Products for People

    For one thing, animal drugs are often highly concentrated because they are used for large animals like horses and cows, which can weigh a lot more than we do—a ton or more. Such high doses can be highly toxic in humans. ”

    https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

    Apparently they don’t expect you to be able to distinguish yourself from a cow or a horse. However, you may, against all odds! If a vet can prescribe it, you may be able to calculate the dose based on the ratio of your weight and that of your horse.

    Greed will destroy this planet, faster than anything.

    • 回复: @Rurik
    , @Erebus
  105. The only two countries on that November 2019 intelligence report distribution list who acknowledged its existence to their respective national TVs were precisely the two countries who, as per the hypothesis in question, took part in the bioattacks. What are we supposed to make of that?

  106. @Emslander

    Yes, that helps tremendously. That may be the missing clue.

  107. Tom Welsh 说:
    @Neuromancer

    To anyone who has been paying attention, the question whether a biological weapon was created and released by China or the USA is a no-brainer.

    The USA has a rap sheet for biological warfare going right back to the deliberate use of smallpox and other diseases to wipe out Native Americans. Washington captured and lovingly preserved Japan’s and Germany’s researchers and results in 1945.

    The USA has spent far more money on researching biological weapons than any other nation – although it has usually taken pains to establish the labs where such dangerous work is done abroad. That way any leaks will harm the locals, not American voters, and can even be blamed on the local government. Plausible deniability! It is the creed of the national intelligence state.

    And the USA is probably the only nation whose government is ruthless and cynical enough seriously to contemplate the use of biological weapons. Especially against “adversaries” (as Washington calls them) like China and Russia, which are strong enough to repel any conventional or even nuclear attacks.

    Incidentally, many years ago the world’s leading nations agreed to destroy all their chemical weapons under the supervision of the OPCW. Russia finished doing so in 2017. The UK does not release any information about its chemical weapons – although the continued existence of Porton Down speaks volumes – but the USA admits openly that it still has several thousand tons. Imagine – the weight of destroyer in poison gas!

    • 回复: @Rich
  108. Anonymous[144]• 免责声明 说:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Of course, it would be much better if no one died but just got older and older, but if someone is going to die in old age anyway, isn’t better that old people die rather than young people, wouldn’t you say? And if someone dies who is two years older than the normal average age of death, is that bad, or is it normal? Or are you just against what is normal?

  109. Atomada 说: • 您的网站
    @Anonymous

    Evali and covid diagnoses difficult and overlapping, see Lancet article attached

  110. I think the first step in proving the accuracy of your suppositions is to gain concurrence that the virus came from Ft. Detrick. Once that is agreed upon, the question of whether the release was accidental or intentional–a debate of monumental importance–can be addressed.

  111. @Ron Unz

    If this theory is true – I wonder if it could have been Bannon.

    He is an outspoken Western Supremacist. He is friends with that weirdo Chinese billionaire who wants to topple the PRC (=contacts/money). He has also said on two or three occasions that the US only has a window of about 5-10 years to forestall the emergence of China as a hegemon (this was in the mid-2010s). Grifted hard on the Chinese bio-leak theory, this could be a case of the thief shouting thief. Plenty of China-hating Alt Righters in the US military, perhaps a few of them could have volunteered for the job.

    • 同意: Tor597
    • 回复: @Ron Unz
    , @HBM
    , @Greta Handel
    , @Tor597
  112. MLK 说:

    President Trump’s completely lackadaisical response demonstrated that he himself had absolutely no idea that he was confronting the threat of a dangerous bioweapon . . .

    Nonsense. Those two words, “completely lackadaisical” are half the tell as to this author. Here’s the totalitarian other half:

    Indeed, the PRC only avoided suffering devastation because it responded in such extremely prompt fashion and quickly imposed exceptionally strong public health controls.

    As I noted early on last year, country’s responded in character. The salient difference this time being that CCP China is admired and envied by the ruling and governing classes the world over.

    Trump was anything but lackadaisical. Let alone completely so. Indeed, the overall American response led by Trump, under the totality of the circumstances including not the least the leading objective of getting rid of Trump, was superlative. Especially in terms of what Trump refused to do, toss out the Constitution (liberties and federalism alike) in favor of the sort of “strong [] controls” that are the current fashion Because China.

    In any event, everyone has memory-holed Trump’s messaging during the early period. Which is a tell in and of itself since he did so constantly and with a read between the line honesty that ensured anyone who was anybody wanted him gone.

    Trump made much of his personal interaction with other leaders. He did so through thick and thin of any bilateral relationship. Early on Trump turned on a dime from conveying that Xi told him China had the situation under control to Xi pulling a stunt and snookering him.

    As I’ve said before, grand conspiracies are not puzzles that can be solved. They’re social phenomena in motion. Exercises in bias confirmation for us all. With everyone keeping their eye on the prize as they see it, disingenuously claiming otherwise, consciously or not.

    At any particular point, until it’s at rest, there’s collusion, if you will, over who to make the dirty dog. Rather obviously, that was supposed to Trump. With MAGA getting it good and hard forever for supporting him.

    Suffice it to say, it didn’t go according to plan. The unstoppable force refused to concede the stolen election so a new resolve is in motion. The Alaska meeting was utter overreach. “Biden” was directed by China to arrange a very public humiliation of the US, principally to exonerate China on the China Virus, which wasn’t even mentioned.

    Now China Joe and the Fake News claim the USG is on the straw man case of determining whether the virus was “naturally occurring” or the result of an unfortunate and wholly unintentional leak.

    • 回复: @Emslander
  113. michael888 说:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    我认为疾病的受害者最好是老年人(我在那个年龄段。全球大多数 Covid-19 受害者都在 80 岁以上。加上一些流行病学家声称,大多数人死亡——大约六分之一的感染者超过年龄1 – 可能还有 6 年或更短的寿命)。 虽然老年人从一开始就应该有保护的重点,但最好还是失去年轻和健康的人(一百年前可怕的西班牙流感让老年人幸免于难)。

    很少(如果有)健康儿童死于 Covid-19。 不清楚为什么有这么多年轻人和健康人接种疫苗? 自然免疫通常比疫苗免疫更可取,年轻健康的人对 Covid-19 的耐受性很好(而且疫苗总是有副作用,至少对年轻健康的人来说风险与 Covid-19 一样)。

    • 同意: Rich
  114. Iris 说:
    @utu

    In fact eradication was never put on the table.

    I am very surprised to see you somehow join the side of the “conspiracy crackpots”, as you gloat in naming anybody who disagrees with your views. These opinions were expressed by others and you abundantly mock them.

    There is zero doubt that Western decision-makers are lying about their management of the Covid19 outbreak. Zero.

    While the information coming from both Italy and China was already extraordinarily worrying, the British press regularly reported about PM Boris Johnson going the way of natural “herd immunity”. He decided to lock down at the 11th hour, only when France decided to do so (a day after).

    The British government now pretends that it never happened, but this major health policy “blunder” recently came back to the forefront when angry former advisor Dominic Cummings was auditioned by Parliamentarians.
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/dominic-cummings-doubles-down-on-claim-government-planned-e2-80-98herd-immunity-e2-80-99-response-to-covid/ar-AAKow7p?ocid=uxbndlbing

    It is one thing that incompetent politicians reacted too slowly, but another to have them unfold a ready-made plan that stopped from using widely-available drugs and forbad early treatment of Covid19 patients.

    Comparisons are not demonstrations, but it remains to be answered why rich European nations, a year on, are still failing so miserably in managing the pandemic, not just compared to China, but also to their much poorer, Caucasoid North-African neighbours. The latter massively used hydro-chloroquine and indiscriminately treated Covid patients at very early stage. The younger age distribution does not explain everything; how could resource-less Tunisia achieve such a better Covid19 record than France and the UK remains a mystery.

    It is legitimate to ask the question: was the evitable Covid19 death toll caused by political hubris and incompetence, or was it a desired outcome?

    • 谢谢: Skeptikal
    • 回复: @Skeptikal
    , @One-off
  115. @Ultrafart the Brave

    如果它是作为一种生物武器开发的,那么考虑到 IFR,它的开发人员做得很糟糕,它与一种严重的流感病毒株相当,并且同样不成比例地影响老年人,尤其是那些已经濒临死亡的老年人。 事实上,2020 年的死亡率(至少在英国,应该是世界上 Covid-19 人数最多的国家之一)低于 2017 年。

    [更多]

    是否设计了 SARS-CoV-2 是无关紧要的。 事实是,一种本质上普通的呼吸道病毒已被一群全球主义者劫持,以便 (1) 掩盖他们自己造成的西方金融体系的崩溃,(2) 建立一个警察国家,(3)导致广泛的不孕症,以及(4)可能——我认为这是真的——杀死数十亿人,最后两点与乔治亚指南石上的铭文一致。

    从理论上讲,这将留下一个绿色星球作为肇事者及其问题的游乐场,一劳永逸地摆脱他们如此鄙视的所有“无用的食客”(© H. Kissinger),并留下一群服从的无人机执行超出机器人和人工智能范围的琐碎任务。 他们还梦想成为“超人”,永远活下去,毫无疑问还有其他从科幻小说中挑选出来的废话。

    当然,他们很疯狂,而且一切都会大错特错,因为他们绝不像他们想象的那么聪明。

    您可以肯定,如今,企业新闻中的任何内容都完全应这些小人的要求出现,其中包括构成本文主题的中国制造的比喻。 这个比喻的作用是 加强叙述 Covid-19 是某种存在主义的瘟疫,任何让自己陷入其中的人都会为他们的游戏而堕落。

    人们必须从空壳游戏中抬起眼睛,观察更大的图景。 考虑叙述中“疫苗”部分的不一致之处。 如果刺戳如此出色,为什么人们会被贿赂甚至被迫接受? 制造商自己承认,“疫苗”纯粹是预防性的:它们既不能保护“接种疫苗”的人免受 Covid-19 的侵害,也不能防止传播给他人。 那么它们的意义何在? 答:它们与 Covid-19 无关。

    根据获得诺贝尔奖的病毒学家卢克·蒙塔尼耶的说法,任何愚蠢到接受刺戳的人的预期寿命不会超过两年。 因此,我们很快就能预料到西方的社会崩溃。 如此多的人将死亡或失去能力,以至于幸存者无法正常生活。 上面的“大错特错”是指来自东方的不可避免的入侵,因为在我看来,俄罗斯人,尤其是中国人,而不是比尔盖茨或克劳斯施瓦布,将成为最终的受益者。

    与此同时,Corona Chan 已经被利用在一个自上而下的全球诱饵和转换操作中,让我们所有人都为“疫苗”排队。

    你有它在一个,我勇敢。

  116. Ron Unz 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    If this theory is true – I wonder if it could have been Bannon.

    Sure, it’s perfectly possible that Bannon was one of the conspirators, and he certainly fits the ideological profile. He also had strong media connections, and I think played he played an important role in the early promotion of the Chinese bioweapon lab-leak cover-story.

    But he’d been fired by Trump more than two years before the outbreak, and a few months afterward was denounced and vilified by Trump and the Trumpists for publishing that embarrassing book. Anyway, he never had any of the national security connections that would have been absolutely necessary to draw upon the resources of Ft. Detrick, the CIA, and the military. As a disgraced former Trump political advisor, if he’d gone to Ft. Detrick and asked for a deadly virus, he’d probably have been arrested or maybe thrown into a mental institution.

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and National Security Advisor John Bolton are the most obvious likely ringleaders, especially since the former had recently been CIA Director.

    Pompeo could have just gone to Ft. Detrick or the CIA and told them “We’ve finally been given the official go-ahead on that project we had discussed last year.” Or maybe he would have sent one of his top aides, and then confirmed his role by secure communication. The mid-ranking people he was approaching obviously wouldn’t have demanded to personally speak to Trump to confirm his authorization, and Trump was the only person above him in the chain-of-command.

    The whole thing was very likely this sort of Strangelove博士 scenario, except it was a small group of plotters rather than a single base commander.

    • 同意: Old and Grumpy
    • 回复: @Boomthorkell
  117. @Simon Tugmutton

    What if the “not a” vaccine is the real weapon? Covid 19 release was just the beginning. Seems like these days all the wealthy and powerful are tripping over themselves babbling about the great reset.

    • 同意: Ultrafart the Brave
  118. Rich 说:
    @Tom Welsh

    The US never used smallpox, or any other disease to wipe out American Indians. Smallpox, and other diseases were just as deadly to the European settlers as to Indians and wars were fought with muskets and bows, not mad scientists injecting primitives. I think the movie you got that from was called “Drums Along the Mohawk”, in the movie they blame a Hessian general if I’m not mistaken. It was fiction, never happened.

  119. Rurik 说:
    @DrWatson

    Greed will destroy this planet, faster than anything.

    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/number-of-covid-cases-in-delhi-crashes-after-mass-distribution-of-ivermectin?utm_source=top_news&utm_campaign=standard

    the only thing for certain is that we are being lied to by agenda-driven elites, who (as usual) seek more power for themselves, and less for the rest of us.

    Whatever may have been the advent of this virus, they’ve deliberately used it to destroy small businesses while bolstering the profits and power of mega corporations.

    They used it to impose their will by petty dictates to the point of absurdity.

    Humans (some) always have and always will seek power and control over their fellows. It’s hardwired.

    This virus, and the way it’s been used, seems to me just one more (out of many) manifestations of that eternal truth.

    The only thing for certain is that we are being lied to by agenda-driven elites. And we know, (or should know by now) what their agenda is.

  120. Erebus 说:
    @DrWatson

    “Ivermectin Products for Animals Are Different from Ivermectin Products for People

    For one thing, animal drugs are often highly concentrated because they are used for large animals like horses and cows, which can weigh a lot more than we do—a ton or more. Such high doses can be highly toxic in humans. ”

    They’re being disingenuous.

    See my reply to Ann Nonny Mouse above.

    [更多]

    Veterinary Ivermectin ranges from a 1% to 2% solution (a few are more concentrated), and the dose varies with body weight. The 2% (and above) is often diluted on site to make it easier to dose. Of course, I wouldn’t inject a veterinary anything directly, but 1% Ivermectin is 1% Ivermectin whether you’re treating Godzilla or a mouse. A young lamb gets 究竟 the same Ivermectin at the exactly the same dose ratio as a 1T bull, 1ml / 50kg of body weight.

    The drug formulas do change depending on the animal type intended because drug companies enhance their products so the medication also deals with other, unrelated species-specific issues. In the case of S. Africa and Zimbabwe, the Farmer’s Co-ops and their whole supply chain had their stocks wiped out by humans buying it up for their own use. As can be expected, most/all of this was intended for sheep & cattle. No-one died from using it as advised by the doctors who were themselves using it.

  121. TKK 说:
    @anon

    It has destroyed small businesses all over the world.

    If you ever feel like like a drive, look at all the small businesses, especially local restaurants, that have closed down. Mom and Pop gyms. Local gift shops. Hair salons.

    People who were not savvy enough nor sly enough to get those PPP loans. But I know the big law firm I do extra work for – rolling in the dough. – got about \$3 million dollars even though they never stopped billing. Now they bill from home, we all WFH, and they are killing it. Guess what the biggest case is?

    Global insurance behomoths denying Covid Relief claims for lost revenue after the State forced them to close . You can’t make it up.

    Pull back, and then look at economies like Bali, who solely depend on the tourist dollar. Some Balinese are experiencing hunger for the first time.

    And during the pandemic, UNPRECEDENTED transfer of wealth to the ultra high wealth individuals –
    Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk increased their wealth by \$217 billion in 2020.

    What is the number rule of investigative reporting? Follow the money.

    Also remember that the UK, for example, had real lockdowns. People could not leave their homes except for regimented times. Some people were alone for months who had no family or friends, and have become suicidal and despondent.

    Humans are mammals, and we are meant to be with others. It was akin to torture to implement these draconian measures.

    Therefore, was the catastrophic slaughter of the working class from every angle sheer incompetence, apathy or something far more wicked?

    • 同意: theMann, Rurik, Dnought
    • 回复: @theMann
  122. Could the victimized economies have monetary claims against the perpetrator?

  123. Anonymous[111]• 免责声明 说:

    I’m not convinced. If the intent was to damage China’s economy, why go along with shutting down America’s economy for a year, especially given the knowledge that COVID, while very communicable, was not particularly deadly? And seeing how the Chinese handled the issue by only shutting down Wuhan for a short period and then re-opening, why didn’t American leaders do likewise unless the intent, all along, was to damage America’s economy?

    • 回复: @Anon62
  124. lysias 说:
    @Miro23

    The public was already prepared for the market/bats/caves/animal-to-human transmission story by the 2011 movie “Contagion”. Although in the movie the market was in Goangdong, not Wuhan, and the transmission was from bats to pigs to humans.

    “Contagion” was released in 2011, but planning for it apparently began in 2009.

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  125. Horatio 说:

    禽流感病毒在 2018 年和次年严重破坏了其家禽业 猪流感 病毒摧毁了超过 40% 的猪群,这是中国的主要肉类来源。 第三年,Covid-19 出现。 如果最后一个只是随机的实验室泄漏,那肯定是一个可疑的模式。

    我假设您指的是非洲猪瘟,它于 2018 年 2007 月在中国首次出现,几乎同时出现在四个不同省份,来源不明。 该病毒与XNUMX年导致乔治亚州爆发疫情的病毒密切相关。

    • 回复: @Anon62
  126. theMann 说:
    @TKK

    “Akin to torture”.

    Actually under International Codes, it was, And is, torture. You can also add wanton destruction of private property and mass incarceration without charge. All three are war crimes under international law. And the quackcines are violations of informed consent for experimental medicine – violation number one of the Crimes Against Humanity code.

    我想保险公司,就像医院一样,如果你试图起诉这些粘液,就会聘请所有侵权律师来建立利益冲突。 问我怎么知道。

    • 同意: TKK
  127. anon[899]• 免责声明 说:
    @Gina Schrank

    You are right about the late summer/early fall 2019 vape respitory deaths. I remembered reading a few Drudgereport links alluding to them at the time, and thought some company or another must have stored them improperly, or some new ingredient for smell or taste degraded in the presence of the other ingredients in a peculiar way as to cause a fluke illness in the users. I live with a smoker/vaper, and told her to just smoke those (damned) cigarettes late that summer instead of the more pleasant smelling vapes. The media just seemed to forget all about it by November 2019.

  128. It doesn’t even matter where the virus came from. Some very powerful people want us to take the vaccine. It’s all about getting us to take the shot.

    • 同意: Ace
  129. @Julian of Norwich

    I changed my ‘agree’ reaction to a more neutral ‘thanks’, because I am no longer sure about the correctness of what you wrote, but it merits discussion.

    China reacted to the virus as energetically as it would if they were dealing with a “high communicability high lethality” pathogen. They locked down a complete province for two months (Wuhan a little longer: 2.5). And yet we are told that their economy was nowhere nearly as hit as almost all the other countries.

  130. Ron Unz 说:
    @lysias

    The public was already prepared for the market/bats/caves/animal-to-human transmission story by the 2011 movie “Contagion”…“Contagion” was released in 2011, but planning for it apparently began in 2009.

    I’m pretty skeptical about that. I’ve never seen 传染性, but isn’t it more likely it was just been inspired by the SARS outbreak in China a few years earlier?

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
  131. Emslander 说:
    @MLK

    Now China Joe and the Fake News claim the USG is on the straw man case of determining whether the virus was “naturally occurring” or the result of an unfortunate and wholly unintentional leak.

    It would be interesting to know whether any members of the Biden criminal enterprise had their fingerprints on Fauci’s funding of Wuhan bioweapon research.

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  132. anon[114]• 免责声明 说:

    No article on China’s three child policy?

    How many Chinese does the world need? Already 1.5 out of 7 people in the world is Chinese. Already automation is making a large number of people redundant and unemployed, it’ll only get worse. China will never get to OECD status as long as they are at over 1 billion people. Their population need to shrink by 2/3 for them to get rich. Western economists want China to stay poor. Here’s hoping the Chinese people themselves are wise enough to ignore all those stupid economists and their “eternal growth” mantra, as if they’ve never heard of the word “automation”.

  133. @Ron Unz

    “anti-Vaxxery”

    Not an anti-vaxxer; I believe in the efficacy of most vaccines and will get one if appropriate. There is reason for suspicion about the mRNA vaccine for what I’ve long believed was a bio-weapon attack — which tracks with what you surmised in your article. The bio-attack and the vaccine are linked; dissociation will lead us astray. Thanks for your voice on this, btw.

  134. I read both the Wade and Baker articles. The Baker article if anything was even more detailed but both came to the same conclusion–a conclusion which many of us arrived at, if only intuitively, once we got the news that “Oh, by the way, there’s a biolab in Wuhan” (actually there are TWO of ’em, both within walking distance of that so-called “wet market”).

    Any doubts that the WaPo, NYT, MSNBC, CNN etal are nothing more than propaganda mills has been erased.

  135. @Julian of Norwich

    Yes, but then it would be designed to kill. Unz is putting forward the Goldilocks theory of blowback–the nefarious neocons wanted to destroy the Chinese economy and kill Iranians, but not kill Chinese. Because they are evil but not too evil. They are just the right amount of evil (for his theory).

    • 哈哈: FB
  136. @Simon Tugmutton

    I have maintained from the beginning that a lab accident of some kind was a legitimate possibility which could not be ignored. Frankly that “wet market” bit never passed the smell test. The possibility that this thing was deliberately designed as a bioweapon is too hateful to contemplate–but “contemplate” one must.

    在这一点上,所有的赌注都关闭了!

  137. St-Germain 说:
    @Ray Caruso

    You’re right. It’s a seductive mistake to treat this orchestrated Corona monkey business as the main arena of a brewing geopolitical showdown like WWII — “our” empire vs. a challenge from upstart China. The plandemic could just as well be the newest political ploy in a familiar intramural playbook: Will instigated hysteria now help the West’s globalist ruling elite once again to rally their fractious populist masses behing them to confront an exaggerated threat from another foreign enemy du jour?

    If so, our unrepresentative and unscrupulous rulers win again while our most basic personal freedom get locked down permanently in the fading West. In that way Corona creates a win-win situation for both the Western oligarchy and for China, which KO’ed its mysterious virus more than a year ago and still has a humming economy. And isn’t it already obvious that U.S. authorities (Fauci, etc.) quietly cooperated with Chinese counterparts in launching the virus? Our statelesss globalists seem to have no problem dealing profitably with China.

    Who’s the real enemy of the average Westerner? Not some nearly harmless flu. As you said, he’s long since been betrayed by his own leaders who have invited Third World hordes to replace him? Why should the (still) majority of Americans and vassel Europeans fret about foreign powers when the real threat to their sovereign interests comes from their own rulers?

    • 同意: Ray Caruso, Ace
  138. nsa 说:

    “….America has clearly suffered its worst national calamity since the Great Depression…”
    Pure bullshit. Turn your TV box off and open your eyes. In this area, real estate prices have doubled in the last two years……some even tripled. Raw hay land suitable for development has gone from \$5k/acre to \$25k/acre. New pressed wood spec houses are going up everywhere. The manager down at the local Chase bank reports he doled out thousands of freebie care/ppp “loans” to business account owners who qualified, estimating about 90% were wasted money and not needed. Over on 101 there is a steady shit stream of tourist vehicles of all kinds….\$50k SUVs with \$3k kayaks atop and \$2k bikes attached to the rear bumper, giant Winnebagos and Airstreams interspersed with \$60k trucks towing \$70k boats, newly sold cars with paper plates, etc. No broken cars by the side of the road or chicks holding cardboard signs offering to trade pussy for food. The only signs are “help wanted” paying the \$13.69/hr minimum wage in this state and they are everywhere. Big box store parking lots are jammed with cars. Car dealers have stopped negotiating prices as they can’t get enough new inventory. All around it’s an orgy of human happiness and prosperity, mindlessly consuming and spending and polluting.

    • 谢谢: Ever Becoming, Emslander
  139. 假设他们的高传染性疾病不会到达美国,或者美国和欧洲可以轻松应对它的策划者,似乎需要惊人的愚蠢程度。 他们也可能认为这种疾病会诋毁特朗普并让民主党人上任。

    这就提出了一个观点,即瘟疫太不可预测了,不能作为武器使用。 中国可能会有不同的反应; 美国,欧洲等也是如此。 特别是由于死亡率低,平均死亡年龄在 82 岁左右,各国可能会选择忽视它而不是摧毁他们的经济。 我从未听说过生物武器 *所以* 非致命的。 5% 的死亡率和可靠地杀死大量婴儿潮一代似乎是“理想的”。

    总而言之,我认为实验室意外泄漏一种经过改造但不是“武器化”的病毒似乎最有可能。

    • 同意: Skeptikal
  140. @Julian of Norwich

    我同意。 它不一定是黑死病或 MERS,但在某一点上,人们只会耸耸肩“嗯”。 如果您正在制造生物武器,我认为您至少需要个位数的致死率才能可靠地迫使目标关闭。

  141. HBM 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I’ve wondered for a while if the Bannon contingent/Chinese dissident types were responsible for the first, if you will, 病毒 videos of alleged COVID sufferers we saw at the end of 2019, and much of the overreaction could be laid at their feet.

    I’m still curious about the arrest of Dr. Charles Lieber and the others in early December of 2019 and what, exactly, might have motivated the DOJ.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related

    • 回复: @Tor597
  142. Greg S. 说:

    Here’s where’s Unz’s theories (that I already consider a mixture of truth and leaps of logic on the surface) fall apart:

    Scientific study: “New insights into genetic susceptibility of COVID-19: an ACE2 and TMPRSS2 polymorphism analysis.” https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12916-020-01673-z

    This study found that different races had different susceptibilities to ACE2 reception (the mechanism by which SARS-COV2 infects).

    We found that the distribution of deleterious variants in ACE2 differs among 9 populations in gnomAD (v3). Specifically, 39% (24/61) and 54% (33/61) of deleterious variants in ACE2 occur in African/African-American (AFR) and Non-Finnish European (EUR) populations, respectively (Fig. 1b). Prevalence of deleterious variants among Latino/Admixed American (AMR), East Asian (EAS), Finnish (FIN), and South Asian (SAS) populations is 2–10%, while Amish (AMI) and Ashkenazi Jewish (ASJ) populations do not appear to carry such variants in ACE2 coding regions (Fig. 1b). Specifically, several variants, including p.Met383Thr, p.Pro389His, and p.Asp427Tyr, have been reported to slightly inhibit the interaction between ACE2 and the spike protein of SARS-CoV-1 [10], which caused the first global SARS-CoV-1 outbreak

    To put it clearly, the susceptiblity rates are:
    – 54% White/European (except Finnish)
    – 39% African/African American
    – 2-10% Latino/Asian/Finnish
    – 0% Ashkenazi Jewish/Amish

    So Unz would have you believe that Americans developed a bio-weapon that targets Americans and (mostly) spares Asians?

    Many things about this “pandemic” start clicking into place once your realize the specific genetic targeting of SARS-COV2. You realize that many Asian countries (which lack basic sanitation) did not do a “better job” of “managing” the pandemic, they simply were not hit as hard due to genetic resistance to it.

    Also this is simply too silly to resist:

    Unfortunately for these plans, the Chinese government reacted with astonishing determination and effectiveness

    Yes, who could have predicted that the Communist Chinese would act with determination and effectiveness?? Would take some kind of uber-genius to predict that… but as to the above point, they were greatly aided by the very makeup of SARS-COV2. How convenient for them.

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  143. geokat62 说:

    … which was extremely contagious but had a low fatality rate of 1% 或更少.

    … or much less. Good to see you’re not impervious to embracing new information, Ron:

    New study puts COVID infection fatality rate at only 0.15 percent

    https://www.sgtreport.com/2021/04/new-study-puts-covid-infection-fatality-rate-at-only-0-15-percent/

  144. Ron Unz 说:
    @Greg S.

    Scientific study: “New insights into genetic susceptibility of COVID-19: an ACE2 and TMPRSS2 polymorphism analysis.”

    I’ve seen people quoting that journal article, and entirely misinterpreting the contents.

    If you look at the study’s results, it claims that groups lacking certain “deleterious ACE2 variants” may be somewhat less vulnerable to Covid infections.

    In particular, 90-98% of South Asians benefit from that genetic characteristic. However, if you read the news headlines, you’ll notice that India is the current world epicenter of the disease, with estimates that probably 1.6 million or even 4 million Indians have already died.

    So empirically, the benefits of that particular genetic variation seem pretty minor to me.

    • 回复: @Greg S.
    , @Chrisnonymous
  145. Anon62 说:
    @Anonymous

    the Chinese handled the issue by only shutting down Wuhan for a short period

    The Chinese implemented a series of controls which impacted the entire nation not just Wuhan. These controls were implemented as soon as identification of the pathogen was made and the fact of human to human transmission was recognized.

    The controls included:
    All entrants to China were required to undergo a 14 day quarantine and demonstrate a negative COVID test result.
    All travel within China was restricted.
    All localaties which gave evidence of COVID outbreaks were placed under quarantine with no travel in or out.
    All persons within outbreak regions were confined to their homes. Food and necessities were supplied to them by public authorities
    National mobilization of medical response teams with these teams sent to assist local authorities in areas of outbreak.
    The near overnight creation of temporary hospital isolation and treatment facilites for those infected by COVID.
    Massive contact tracing efforts facilitated by the use of cell phone contact tracing.
    Delivery of accurate information to all members of society
    Mobilization of scientific research teams to identify the pathogen and its genetic “fingerprint.” This identification was then provided to other global health organizations such as WHO.
    Immediate creation of a valid test for the pathogen once its genetic fingerprint was known with national application of COVID testing. China was the first state to create such a test. Without this testing it would have been impossible to detect the spread of the disease.
    -
    America did none of these things despite its acknolwedged awareness of a potential serious disease outbreak in November of 2019 and the communication of this infromation in secret to select US allies and partner states.
    Of these partner states the UK created and relied upon the Ferguson model which greatly exaggerated the fatality rate.
    Most western nations were dilatory in their response and devoted their efforts to assigning blame and not toward a scientific study of the pathogen and how to control it.
    The attempt to assign blame continues. There is minimal evidence of a rational science based investigation of COVID on the part of Western nations.

    If you want to be safe just don’t eat the bat soup.

    That is Western rationality.

    • 谢谢: GomezAdddams
    • 回复: @Tdstype2
  146. Yash 说:

    There is another plausible alternative:

    – An initial, genuinely accidental lab leak, but from an American lab, say around the middle of 2019 (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/health/germs-fort-detrick-biohazard.html ]

    – After it becomes clear that the spread cannot be contained, a small number of individuals, either with or without permission, decide that it is in the US’s interest to pin it on the Chinese – since both countries are engaged in the identical gain-of-function research, with the US NIH even sponsoring the work at WIV.

    – An op is drawn up, perhaps hidden within another op (the outer op might be a “super-secret” op to gather intel on what is billed as a potential *中国人* lab leak in Wuhan – so that most of the military “athletes” that are part of this “super-secret” op truly believe that the objective was to confirm the Wuhan lab leak).

  147. An older article went over the origins of the virus pretty well.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/03/no_author/chinas-coronavirus-a-shocking-update-did-the-virus-originate-in-the-us/

    他的主要观点之一是,感染台湾的类型仅存在于澳大利亚和美国,并且由于台湾并未受到澳大利亚人的感染,因此台湾的感染本来可能仅来自美国。

    基本逻辑是,病毒株多样性最大的地理位置必须是原始来源,因为单个株不能一无所有。 他证明了只有美国拥有这五种已知的病毒株(而武汉和中国大部分地区只有一株,台湾和韩国,泰国和越南,新加坡以及英国,比利时和德国也是如此),构成了一个论点。其他国家的单体型可能起源于美国。

    韩国和台湾与中国的病毒具有不同的单倍型,可能更具传染性,但致命性要低得多,这将导致中国的死亡率仅为中国的1/3。

    • 同意: Anon62
    • 回复: @emersonreturn
  148. TheJester 说:

    罗恩

    如果您的论点属实,那么我们的国家 Covid-19 危机将与公开曝光属于同一类别,即肯尼迪暗杀确实是由以色列在中央情报局和五角大楼的流氓分子的帮助下计划、组织和执行的。 真相将使美国政府垮台,并可能预示着国家的解体……因此,盎格鲁-犹太复国主义帝国的终结。

    因此,考虑到暴露的后果,权力结构将参与系统化是有道理的。 预判, 困惑, 虚假化, 逃税, 谎言说谎 把事情弄得一团糟,以至于公众对正在发生的事情仍然一无所知和困惑。 追踪有罪党派和“吹哨”的内部人士的研究人员将被系统地删除和取消:“觉醒”被故意制造为一种政治控制形式。

    除了使用 Covid-19 来阻碍国家社会主义中国之外,也许我们应该将当前对白人文化、西方文明和他们创建的民族国家的系统性和其他莫名其妙的攻击添加到通往通往社会主义的道路上的目标清单中。 “费边/法兰克福”寻求一个全球化的寡头世界政府,监督由富裕精英小集团控制的社会化经济财团(真正的垄断资本主义)。

    这很荒谬吗? HB 威尔斯,1920 年:

    大企业决不反对共产主义。 越大的大企业越接近集体主义。 集体主义是少数人的上路,而不是群众的下路。 Ellis, Clare,“欧洲的黑化”,Arktos Media Ltd.,Kindle 版。

    [更多]

    推荐:

    “欧洲的黑化,卷。 1”,克莱尔·埃利斯

    随着西方世界被布尔什维克共产主义和苏联制造的威胁分心,更强大的威胁是缓慢、渐进、隐蔽地创建第二条战线,倡导全球“社会主义乌托邦”。 后者由西方富有的实业家和学者组成的财团提倡。 这些以费边社和法兰克福学派为代表,他们主张通过“通过机构进行进步”来缓慢接管西方机构。 他们会等待时间并伪装自己的意图,直到强大到可以采取行动。 布尔什维克共产主义者和费边/法兰克福社会主义者都认为有必要摧毁父权制家庭,这是迈向世界政府和社会化经济必不可少的第一步。

    费边/法兰克福社会主义者有多强大? “批判理论”一词是法兰​​克福学派的一种分析。 缓慢的“通过机构进军”(尤其是学术界)同样是法兰克福运动推广的一个术语。 女权主义、变性主义、堕胎、黑人的命也是命、在 K12 学校教授批判种族理论、西方大学系统的破坏以及 2020 年大选? 如果发生另一场大流行,最近采取了哪些举措,赋予世界卫生组织独裁的跨国权力?

    而且,作为回归,我们不要忘记伦敦经济学院和《经济学人》杂志是作为费边机构成立的。

    问题是:这第二种以寡头为基础的社会主义现在是否感到有足够的能力采取行动? 我们是否正处于一场旨在迫使世界政府最终过渡到由具有社会化经济的富有寡头统治的世界政府的政变之中(再次,垄断资本主义的委婉说法)成为现实?

    • 回复: @Ace
    , @Wild Man
  149. Drakejax 说:

    我同意所有公开证据都表明 COVID 发生了生化战事件。 然而,我仍然怀疑这种解释可能是新自由主义与新保守主义的设计事件。 在操作层面上,他们可能是同一个人,即使在公共权威层面上完全不同。 民主党人是新冠病毒的受益者,他们立即采取行动,在选举中最大限度地扩大新冠病毒的损害以及他们自己的利益。 Antifa、BLM、蓝州封锁、选举恶作剧,都经过了完美的计划和与支持媒体的协调。 在没有计划的情况下,我从来没有感觉到民主派如此有能力。

    • 同意: mike99588
    • 回复: @TheJester
  150. Jiminy 说:
    @Ever Becoming

    I think the US needs to be very careful that with a renewed investigation of the source of the new flu, investigators don’t go looking more closely at the e- vaping deaths of North America starting in January 2019. Up until then I think it was three people who had died from popcorn lung in the 1990’s, workers from a popcorn factory.
    Even though e- smokers from across the world have access to the exotic mixtures via internet sales, it was only Canada I believe that suffered one case outside of America. Over two thousand cases with about 47 deaths I think at last count.
    And of course until there is an independent investigation of the disease and the source of the mixture, then any mention of it all will always arouse derision amongst people who have differing opinions.
    There are just too many coincidences to outright eliminate anything that happened in the US in early 2019.

  151. Blissex 说:

    «The triggering event for this remarkable reversal in American elite sentiment was a closely reasoned and persuasive 11,000 word article by journalist Nicholas Wade.»

    I have seen several arguments, plausible and sensible, that it could have been a lab leak, and they never got “traction”. What I reckon is that the Biden administration decided to continue the anti-China policy of Trump, and to blame China for the virus, implying nefarious backgrounds, and the Wade article was the result of that, or at least was used to advance that once published. The talking points memo than made the rounds and the loyal media got onto that story.

    As to the “origin” story, these are all independent aspects, they do not necessarily imply each other:

    * Were did the virus originate? I could have originated far from China, in a less noticeable version, and it was only in Wuhan that it mutated into a more noticeable form, as it did later in India etc.

    * Was the virus spread in Wuhan spontaneous or deliberate? If it was deliberate it need not have come from a lab, but evolved naturally and brought to Wuhan.

    * Was the virus engineered? If was engineered, which lab did it come from? There are many labs that study coronaviruses, outside Wuhan and inside Wuhan. As to Wuhan there are dozens of universities and research institutes there (it has a population twice that of London), so focusing on just one lab is ridiculous or just propaganda.

    * If it was deliberately spread, who has an interest in using an incapacitating infectious diseases to attack a core node of the chinese economy? There will be nutters who say “the CCP”, but the obvious list is India, Vietnam, USA, Japan, Taipei.

    Regardless of the questions about the origin, which will be exceptionally difficult to resolve, there is the one big and easily resolved issue of the enormous difference in handling of the epidemic, reganista/neoliberal in the USA, UK, and other “Washington Consensus” countries, with devastating results, and as a public health project funded and organized by the state in areas as different as China-Taiwan, China-mainland, Japan, New Zealand, Korea-south, Vietnam, India-Kerala, where the results have been immensely better.

    Given that obvious, giant issue, it is not surprising the USA, UK, etc. have been focusing public debate on the interesting but rather secondary “origin” issue, to distract public opinion from the main issue.

    • 同意: Skeptikal
  152. Anon[410]• 免责声明 说:

    Just the next planned stage of the massive psyop.

  153. Anon[410]• 免责声明 说:

    0% Ashkenazi.

    所有你必须知道的。

  154. Anon62 说:
    @Horatio

    我假设您指的是非洲猪瘟,它于 2018 年 2007 月在中国首次出现,几乎同时出现在四个不同省份,来源不明。 该病毒与XNUMX年导致乔治亚州爆发疫情的病毒密切相关。

    这是一个有趣的事实,支持 Unz 生物战理论。

    American focus on China increased with the Obama administration’s 2011 “Pivot to East Asia” strategy. This was widely seen as an American attempt to contain China, undermine Chinese growth, and maintain the US status as global hegemon, a position threatened by the rise of China.

    2011 年 XNUMX 月,奥巴马阐明了一项从印度次大陆延伸至东北亚的综合外交、军事和经济战略。 核心信息:美国将在亚洲发挥领导作用。

    这被广泛认为是美国企图遏制中国、破坏中国增长、维护美国的全球霸主地位。

    The pivot coincided with a new American military doctrine called Air-Sea Battle doctrine. First outlined in a classified memo in 2009, ASB became official US military doctrine in 2010, a year prior to Obama’s pivot. This suggests military doctrine influenced civil relations between the two states. ASB was an operational doctrine for military confrontation with China; Secretary of Defense Robert Gates openly discussed the need to counter China’s growing military capabilities. Beijing viewed the US as having hostile intentions toward China. The pivot was seen by Beijing as part of a broader effort to encircle China.

    在 Unz 生物战理论的背景下,有可能多次企图破坏和破坏中国的稳定。 香港最近的动乱、中国侵犯人权的未经证实的说法,以及特别是反华情绪和反亚洲情绪的总趋势,都有明确的证据表明这种行动。

    It is known the US engages in destabilization operations against those it deems to be “enemies” (STUXNET in Iran, destruction of Iraq on false pretence, support for the overthrow of Gadafi when he sought to reintroduce a gold standard and rally African states against creation of a US military Africom headquarters in Africa). It is therefore not unreasonable to contemplate a US surreptitious release of pathogens to undermine and impair China’s economy.

    有关背景,请参见:
    https://thediplomat.com/2017/01/the-pivot-to-asia-was-obamas-biggest-mistake/

    https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-american-pivot-to-asia/

  155. Agent76 说:

    May 24, 2021 CDC: Death Toll Following Experimental COVID Injections Now at 4,863 – More than 23 Previous Years of Recorded

    Vaccine Deaths According to VAERS
    To put this number in perspective, since the CDC continues to claim that these deaths do “not establish a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines,” these deaths now exceed the total number of deaths reported to VAERS following vaccination for the past 23 years!

    https://vaccineimpact.com/2021/cdc-death-toll-following-experimental-covid-injections-now-at-4863-more-than-23-previous-years-of-recorded-vaccine-deaths-according-to-vaers/

  156. Joe100 说:

    I think a relatively recent Old Microbiologist comment here suggested that the US today may well lack the technical capability to actually produce such a bioweapon. I also recall that in one of his early Covid posts (I am sure one of those referenced above) he noted that he thought some of the available genetic information was at least “suggestive” (to him) of possible human intervention.

  157. Rahan 说:

    There are currently 11 US biolabs in the Ukraine

    With an agreement that only the US govt knows what goes on there.

    One of the labs is in Kharkov. In Jan 2016 20 Ukrainian soldiers in the city suddenly died from a “flu-like illness”, while 200 were hospitalized.

    Between 2015 and 2018 various unexpected explosions of Hepatitis A and Cholera happened all across the Ukraine.

    **

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    Likewise in the country of Georgia, the Lugar Center. Only US govt officials get to know stuff about it.

    Their experiments with sand flies and mosquitoes were acutely felt first in Georgia, and then South Russia.

    **
    In 1977, a strange flu hit the USSR. Known as “The Russian Flu” it killed YOUNG PEOPLE under 25.

    The West instantly speculated that…go on guess what was speculated…that this flu escaped from a Russian or a Chine bio lab.
    https://life.ru/p/1316278

    But back then the communist countries had closed borders, and if you hit them they stay hit, it doesn’t leak back at you too fast.
    **
    1950s: Colorado beetles. Sprinkled by US agents starting 1949-1950, in Eastern Germany, Poland, etc., and trying to get to the USSR via the Baltic sea.

    Czechoslovak poster mobilizing people to find and burn any beetle infestation.

    And all across Eastern Europe

    In the past I would have automatically dismissed this as crude propaganda covering up homegrown incompetence. And yet now….

    • 同意: emersonreturn
  158. Mefobills 说:

    It’s like the ongoing anxiety over Taiwan and the future of American hegemony is unconsciously motivating people to embrace the lab leak hypothesis as an excuse.

    The human brain has certain characteristics that make it prone to flawed judgement. I’ve been arguing this point with regards to myelin sheathing of first information, which then leads to narrative control. (Many previous comments in my comment history.)

    Propaganda requires myelin sheathing of first information. Since we now live in clown world, especially with an (((owned))) press, then any first information you hear should automatically turn on your perception filters. Don’t react to first information until you have had more time for thinking things over. Presumably, UNZ readers are of a higher IQ cohort, and have this latent ability.

    This process of propaganda following an agenda also leads to demoralization, where a population cannot easily take on new information at odds with the first-write, or it leads to cognitive dissonance. The brain cannot rewire easily.

    The lab leak hypothesis being taken up readily is in alignment with demoralization concepts, in that the sheathing can be overcome with an emotional shock or some sort of trauma. Absent emotional shock, the other way to rewrite is a barrage of consistent narrative at odds with the old first- information, but it takes a barrage – many times greater effort.

    There is anxiety among globo-homo finance capital, that they are losing the economic game, and hence losing their cat-bird seat as owners of controlling speculative capital. The agents of mammon are being exposed as not-god. China’s industrial capitalism type of economy is winning on all fronts.

    This projection onto others is also a function of the brain, the build up of ghosts that don’t exist, but instead are conjured. Globo homo actors conjure up ghosts and then project onto others.

    Reg Morrison explains it as the time delay between the Amygdala and Hippocampus. Those people who are especially prone to anxiety and fears, meaning the hysterical (((type))), are likely to be the most prone to projection. They actually believe what they are projecting.

    http://www.zo.utexas.edu/courses/THOC/enigma_code.pdf

    Indeed, repeated studies have now confirmed that it is the reptile-amphibian core of the brain (see diagram, labelled in red) that instantly lights up in response to new data and altered circumstances. The conscious ‘rational brain’, centered in the prefrontal cortex, begins to fire up some 500 milliseconds later— after the board of genetic directors in the basement have had time to assess the incoming data for any concealed threats to their security and survival. If threats are implicit in the data, the parliament of genes overwhelms the rational brain with a flood of emotion and issues a set of directives for well-proven genetic behavior. So emotion is the flag of genetic behavior and signals that the rational brain has been bypassed in the interest of long-term genetic survival. If our Amygdala has been triggered, we react ‘instinctively’ with anger, lust or fear. If not, then we think and act ‘morally’—out of love, duty, or a sense of justice and compassion. Meanwhile the brain’s propaganda department patches together a reasoned explanation for that behavior in order to maintain a reassuring facade of rational ‘free will’.

    A rational brain can hold information in abeyance and not become emotional, but it takes mental training. A rational brain can hold a hypothesis without having full information, and not fly off the handle in hysterics.

    Unconscious motivation of people is by using FUD (fear, uncertainty, and disease).

    Who is the bigger FUD conjurer, China or Globo-homo?

  159. Cowboy 说:

    嘿,溯因推理很有趣!

    让我们按照逻辑。

    当美国军事人员出现在 Chink 市时,该市爆发了一种新型病毒。

    因此,美军人员是Chink市爆发新型病毒的罪魁祸首。

    结果得到了肯定!

    我想知道对于这个网站上的所有中国通讯社的辩护者,使用溯因推理可以得出什么结论?

    • 巨魔: emersonreturn
    • 回复: @Mefobills
  160. Schuetze 说:
    @Schuetze

    “新闻周刊” picks up on the Rick Wiles hit job at Trunews:

    “Polling has shown that conservative white evangelical Christians are one of the groups most likely to be skeptical about COVID-19 vaccines. A mid-February survey conducted by Pew Research showed that about 45 percent of white evangelicals said they “definitely” or “probably” will not get vaccinated against the virus.

    While some Christian leaders—like Wiles—have promoted conspiracy theories about the COVID-19 vaccines, others have called on their followers to get vaccinated. Evangelical Christian leader Franklin Graham, president of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association and humanitarian aid organization Samaritan’s Purse, has repeatedly urged people to get the shots.

    “I thank God for the vaccine,” Graham told CNN earlier this month.

    Although conspiracy theories about the vaccines have circulated widely, scientists and medical professionals have repeatedly attested to the safety and efficacy of the approved vaccines. Rigorous scientific trials have clearly demonstrated that the vaccines are safe and highly effective against preventing severe cases of COVID-19.”

    lol. The next domino to fall after “wild covid” is going to be “vaccines are safe”.

    与此同时 some Israeli blog has picked up on the Trunews covid hit. They are speculating that Wiles got infected by the hard core Zionist Milo Yiannopoulos who visited him at Flowing Springs shortly before the covid cluster bomb hit:

    “I was concerned that Milo’s presence at Flowing Streams was some kind of setup, and his time spent with Trunews should be revisited and investigated”

    Milo of course has Jewish family and recently claimed that he had found god, stopped loving sodomy, and become an pristine and virginal evangelical. Shortly afterwards Rick Wiles welcomed the globo-homo Zionist Milo into the Trunews family and featured a long interview with him.

    • 回复: @Schuetze
  161. SafeNow 说:

    China Airlines Flight 605 exemplifies the cavalier ethos of the Chinese toward safety measures. Two Chinese pilots plowed off the runway into shallow water at Kong when they decided to land in a storm, including wind shear. A missed approach — a minimum safety measure — was mandatory, but was ignored. Minutes before, a British Airways pilot refused to land at all.

    Regarding the Wuhan Lab, the U.S. well knew the Chinese predilection to be grudging about safety measures. Examples abounded. The U.S. also understood the hazardous potential of the gain-of-function research. In fact, this was quite arguably the most dangerous project in the history of the world. One would thus think that, quietly and behind the scenes, the U.S. would insist upon extraordinary safety measures as a precondition to the funding; and, pay for these precautions. The failure of this obvious necessity to be implemented is puzzling.

    • 同意: TKK
    • 回复: @GomezAdddams
  162. @mapman

    Yup, agree. Most ppl are scientifically illiterate and dont think this trough. I worked for hVivo when they still had the only viral challenge model in humans in the world. Just finding the right viral titration for the viral challenges was such a hard task and needed constant fiddling.
    In fact, the COVID19 viral load that will infect a healthy adult, on average, is still not established, AFAIK. Any lab in the world works with miniscule quantities of viruses, in principle, so the “lab-leak” theory is utterly laughable.

    On the other hand, coordinated release, however…

    • 谢谢: Brás Cubas
    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Brás Cubas
  163. @Ron Unz

    Do you appreciate that this theory has no more evidence for it than a handful of inevitable coincidences?

    I say “inevitable ” because with any event of this size, there will be many seemingly coincidental occurrences, and these ones are very minor.

    To take an example, you make a big deal out of the military games taking place in Wuhan, very vaguely, at the time which Covid-19 got started; but China is not North Korea, and US citizens go to China, and Wuhan, all of the time.

    It is extremely easy to visit China and be anonymous when doing so. If anything, the rough coincidence, of the US military-affiliated athletes being there, argues against US seeding.

    You only need one person to seed a virus and that person could have gone there whenever. They would have therefore chosen any other 时间。

    A much more obvious coincidence is Covid appearing in the same city as the Chinese lab that would be most likely to have developed it.

    Now you might argue that this is why the US seeded it there, but the US did not set the location of the military games, so that would defeat your previous coincidence.

    Ultimately, this is all just internet fantasy, but, clearly, a virus which the Chinese were well-equipped to deal with, originating in the same city as the lab which they would develop it in, and which, in every country, has least affected people of East Asian genetic descent, would more obviously be a Chinese lab leak than anything else artifical.

    • 同意: Spect3r
  164. dgh 说:
    @ebear

    A variation on your ‘China release was an accident related to Iran biowarfare’ thesis would be that the accident was via US military participants in the Wuhan games.

    A faulty sterilization chamber at Ft Detrick would allow military personnel to come in contact with the biowarfare virus. The military personnel would then start the spread of biowarfare virus first within the U.S. military then to the Wuhan military games then to the Wuhan population.

    Exponential spread starts very slowly and could account for some of the details in timing both in China and later spread to Italy.

    This concept is supported by an article in Military Times stating that the Ft Detrick lab has reopened:
    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/04/01/cdc-lifts-shutdown-order-army-biolabs-fort-detrick.html

    • 回复: @emersonreturn
  165. anonymous[477]• 免责声明 说:

    Just a correction: it’s ‘DONALD G. McNeil, Jr’ and not ‘Douglas G. McNeil, Jr’

  166. Foolmeonce 说:

    围绕病毒起源的事实的出色呈现。 作者梳理了一年的虚假信息,旨在隐藏病毒发布背后的罪犯。 否则,理智的替代媒体来源出于绝望而接受了实验室泄漏理论,以逃避湿货市场自发产生的可能性。

    由于未能将责任归咎于穿山甲,阴谋者现在试图将其归咎于中国政府。 媒体和其他狡猾的真相操纵者设法隐瞒罪行,以挑起战争的肮脏希望激起对中国人的仇恨。

    With meticulous precision, the article deflates the deception using an exhaustive presentation of the facts and such common sense observations as, “Why would the Chinese release a bioweapon on themselves?”

    就像一只抓住窃贼腿的斗牛犬,无论罪犯释放多少箔条来隐藏他们的踪迹,Ron Unz 都不会让他们逃脱真相。

    好样的!

    • 同意: emersonreturn
    • 回复: @Ben the Layabout
  167. The biological agent they released was designed primarily as an anti-economy rather than an anti-personnel weapon.

    Here’s where Ron goes off the rails. That the Chinese reacted swiftly was not unfortunate for the plotters because economic sabotage was not the goal. Conflict between the US and China was the goal, and in that light, their plan is working perfectly.

    The rogue Deep State neocons have worked with Mossad in the past to pull off world-changing events, and it’s likely they are here, too. Remember, it was an Israeli blogger who tipped off a Taiwanese TV program to suspect the US world games team, it was an Israeli lab that jumped the gun on a vaccine, it is Israel that hates Iran, it was an Israeli media outlet that confirmed the early DIA warning to give that story a boost. And, you can be sure that story is burning up the Chinese internet since it confirms from the Chinese perspective that this was a US attack on China. China is, no doubt, even now weighing an appropriate response. What might that be? To assuage Chinese outrage, an invasion of Taiwan? Deployment of their own bioweapon?

    But why would Israel want to see conflict between the US and China?

    And the Lord thy God will put out those nations before thee by little and little: …there shall no man be able to stand before thee, until thou have destroyed them. Deut 7:22-24 and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee. Deut 15:6

    • 回复: @geokat62
    , @anonym25
    , @Iris
  168. Mefobills 说:
    @Cowboy

    It’s not abductive reasoning. You are building a strawman.

    有数百个变量需要考虑,不能简化为某种简单的推理过程。

    一些已知但在稻草人中不存在的变量:

    1) 实验室泄漏需要大量病毒载量才能感染零号患者。 2) 零号患者然后在一个点(而不是多个点)感染人群。 3)自然界没有中间宿主。 4) 似乎至少有两种类型的 Covid 5) 刺突蛋白进化跳跃的统计不太可能和 6)

    On going economic confrontation between the finance capitalist west and industrial capitalist China. (You wouldn’t understand this since you are a Lolbertarian).

    • 回复: @Cowboy
    , @Ben the Layabout
  169. Skeptikal 说:

    ” virus eventually known as Covid-19,”

    Jesus, Ron, can’t you get the basics right?

    Covid-19 is the name of the *疾病*.

    The name of the virus is SARS-CoV-2.

    Quite apart from this major lapse, it is pretty clear that you yourself have an agenda.

    In fact, I expect this post will not see the light of day.

    Three earlier binnings now constitute a pattern of your own Overton Window at this site, or on threads that deal with the Covid Operation.

    • 同意: R2b
    • 巨魔: Sean
    • 回复: @gay troll
    , @Skeptikal
  170. @Anatoly Karlin

    You seem to be struggling with the latest “news” about provenance.

    So, does the high-Q guy stand by his smug endorsement (“Anti-Vax Signaling”) of the shot(s)?

  171. AnonFromTN 说:

    demonstrable cowardice and incompetence of our leading media organs

    This is 100% true, but let’s call a spade a spade. This shameful about-face has nothing to do with Wade and Baker articles. These articles did not contain anything that was not available in the public domain before. I strongly suspect that these articles appeared after their authors, in line with Orwell’s 1984, were “quietly handed a note partway through” and “completely reversed” themselves after that. Basically, the media remain as beholden to their unscrupulous owners as they ever were. The difference is, the lies preferred by the owners reversed.
    Looks like after a successful coup of 2020 internal fighting among the “winners” led to this about-face, as well as to “leaks” about Gates’ culpability (connections to infamous Epstein, etc.).

    highly-dangerous form

    This should be taken with a grain of salt (more like, with a bag of salt). The best covid description I’ve seen so far was in a comment on this site: “the disease so deadly that you need a test to detect it”. Stats comparing different countries and US states that used or did not use closedowns and other restrictive measures suggest that the number of cases and deaths does not correlate at all with official response. The US stats show that vastly different levels of “vaccination” in different states also do not correlate with the number of cases and deaths. This would be impossible if this were an epidemic of contagious disease.

    • 同意: gay troll
    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  172. Fifty two hundred words to distract from fact that Wuhan virologists, with indirect US funding via Dr. Fauci’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, were evaluating chimeric corona viruses for human infectivity, as tested on human tissue cultures and humanized mice:

    WHO inspector caught on camera revealing coronavirus manipulation in Wuhan before pandemic

    The pandemic has thus, pretty certainly, been the result of US:Chinese collaboration. And that collaboration either led to an unintended lab leak, or to an exercise to evaluate pandemic control measures before someone lets loose a corona virus with a lethality of 50% plus, not Covid’s 0.05%.

    参考:

  173. gay troll 说:
    @Skeptikal

    Ron got caught in the Monarch Mind Control butterfly net. Or perhaps replaced by a pod person.

  174. @utu

    There is a paper by Garry that I found quite persuasive against a lab-leak origin and in favor of a natural origin. Perhaps you already know it, since you quoted two other papers by that author:

    在武汉不同的野生动物市场中,SARS-CoV-2的两个不同基因组谱系的早期出现表明SARS-CoV-2具有自然起源
    https://virological.org/t/early-appearance-of-two-distinct-genomic-lineages-of-sars-cov-2-in-different-wuhan-wildlife-markets-suggests-sars-cov-2-has-a-natural-origin/691

    Here’s an excerpt (but the paper is worth reading in its entirety, since it is quite accessible and has very interesting considerations):

    Lab Leak scenarios are inconsistent with several established facts regarding the origin of SARS-CoV-2. The majority of early cases were linked to different markets that sold wildlife or wildlife products in Wuhan. All theories of the origin of SARS-CoV-2 must account for the linkage to different market engaged in wildlife trade. Theories on SARS-CoV-2 must also account for the fact that two distinct lineages of SARS-CoV-2 were distributed at different Wuhan wildlife markets. Scenarios where an infected laboratory worker, an escaped lab animal or faulty waste disposal spread not one but two lineages of SARS-CoV-2 specifically to different wildlife markets are difficult to rationalize.

    • 谢谢: utu, Levtraro
  175. @michael888

    I think it’s better for a disease’s victims to be elderly … it is preferable to losing the young and healthy…

    在逻辑、经济和社会意义上,如果有人 必须死,那么你的观点是有道理的。 我明白了,我真的明白。

    I’m just personally annoyed that people are dying in the first place, when they don’t have to – according to Dr. Peter McCullough, 85-90% of the Corona Chan fatalities could have been avoided if the known safe and effective remedies hadn’t been deliberately blocked by Western governments.

    [更多]

    Peter McCullough 博士就 Corona Chan“疫苗”发表讲话

    短版(16 分钟)
    (https://rumble.com/embed/vf328h/ ]
    (https://rumble.com/vhp8e1-massive-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html ]

    完整版(1 小时 45 分钟)
    (https://rumble.com/embed/vf31sl/ ]
    (https://rumble.com/vhp7y5-full-interview-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html ]

    Regarding the push to inject the youngsters –

    不清楚为什么有这么多年轻人和健康人接种疫苗? 自然免疫通常比疫苗免疫更可取,年轻健康的人对 Covid-19 的耐受性很好(而且疫苗总是有副作用,至少对年轻健康的人来说风险与 Covid-19 一样)。

    … it’s pretty self-evident that the injections (which the manufacturers themselves admit neither stop you from catching or spreading Corona Chan) aren’t really about Corona Chan at all, in fact it’s quite the reverse – the Corona Chan “pandemic” is all about getting everyone – EVERYONE on Earth, right down to 6 month old babies – injected with the experimental “vaccines”.

    The fact that previous prototype coronavirus vaccines killed 100% of the test animals should start alarm bells ringing. This time, they didn’t bother with any animal testing. This time around, WE are the test animals. But I’d hazard a guess that the Masters ofthe Universe know exactly what they’re doing, even though the common folk haven’t figured it out yet.

    • 回复: @Wild Man
  176. Cowboy 说:
    @Mefobills

    我用 Reductio 烧了你,你的屁股还疼吗?

    • 回复: @Mefobills
  177. @theMann

    I imagine the insurance companies, like hospitals, have retainered every tort lawyer in sight to set up conflict of interest if you try to sue these slime. Ask me how I know.

    你怎么知道的?

    • 回复: @theMann
  178. @ebear

    Yes, that’s a great point. I’ve never understood why Unz et al think it’s unlikely for a virus outbreak in China to spread to Iran. China and Iran have very deep trade links, and all it would take is one Iranian returning from Wuhan or one Chinese visiting Iran to start the spread.

    Additionally, US sanctions on Iran have prevented Iran from importing medical supplies. See

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49051782
    https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/10/29/iran-sanctions-threatening-health
    https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/u-s-sanctions-and-iran-s-coronavirus-22352/

    So not only is there an easy explanation for how COVID could have spread to the Iranian leadership from China, there’s a good explanation for why their elderly clerics would have died at a high rate from it.

    • 回复: @Ultrafart the Brave
  179. MarkinLA 说:

    I have seen reports that the new India strain is the currently the most deadly. It also seems there is an Indian-UK version floating around in Vietnam.

    The problem with all these different variants is they point to a bad choice of pathogen for a bioweapon. The past bioweapons that have been reported on were based on smallpox and anthrax that were more easily controlled.

    The researchers had to see the uncontrollability of this virus. The idea that the US released it to get Iran and risk destroying NATO and it’s allegiances in the Indo-Pacific region seems too far fetched even for the Israel Firsters in Washington.

  180. Desert Fox 说:

    covid-19 does not exist, it has never been isolated, not one source says that it has been isolated, it is an illusion that works better than a real virus, it accomplishes the same thing without the risk of killing off people who the elites do not want genocided, it is the perfect scam and psyop and its goal is to depopulate the earth.

    The so called vaccine is not a vaccine , it is an injection of mRNA that alters the DNA and destroys the immune system, it is the perfect genocide tool, and this is what it is , depopulate the earth.

    • 回复: @bike-anarkist
  181. A.z 说:
    @Ron Unz

    这不是人造病毒,如果被设计出来,就会有太多迹象。 但是让我告诉你为什么它没有被设计的常识原因。 正如你所表明的,这不太可能是实验室泄漏,但如果是人造的,但如果是 kabal 做的,则故意释放。 他们必须在自己控制的实验室外面由不知名且可以处理的专家自行开发(不是在政府自己计划的军事设施中开发的一些众所周知的病毒,因为有外国代理人或某人渗透的风险挺身而出太棒了)。 正如响应所示,我们的生命科学根本不够发达。 如果任何中层或中上层群体能够开发出新冠病毒,那么我们的生命科学领域将已经足够进步,以至于国际社会可以在一个月内开发出量身定制的对策,并为此进行所有科学研究。 总的来说,我们现在应该已经有了艾滋病和癌症的对策。
    这简直就是我们在毫无根据的宣传上敲打中国

    • 回复: @Brás Cubas
  182. @Simon Tugmutton

    If it was developed as a bioweapon, the developers did a lousy job…

    It’s becoming clearer that the Corona Chan bug is a devilishly clever piece in a demonically fiendish plan.

    The Corona Chan bug itself is basically little more than a garden variety cold virus, but it serves as the delivery vehicle for the so-called “spike protein” which is the bioweapon that causes injury and mortality.

    The true genius of the scheme is that all of the Western Corona Chan “vaccines” introduce that very same “spike protein” into the targets – the bioweapon that causes injury and mortality, but in astonishing numbers and unattached to any virus. Worse, in the case of the mRNA “vaccines”, the induced cellular production of the “spike protein” has no “off switch”.

    “Vaccination” will thereby produce injury and mortality with symptoms indistinguishable from a severe response to the Corona Chan bug – so “vaccine” casualties will be blamed on Corona Chan “variants” (and in fact, already are, labeled as so-called “breakthrough infections”).

    Relatively harmless Corona Chan bug, deadly “vaccines”, plausible deniability and a perpetual cycle of more “vaccines” until there’s no one left to “save”.

    并且已经有 120 亿美国人被注射。 出于所有错误的原因,2021 年圣诞节将是一个值得铭记的时刻。

  183. @meamjojo

    If you’re able to weaken the human immune system by injecting a Vax by force, scar, threats or loose of livelihood, while they prepare the next Global Homo outbreak that delivers the final blow (Pun intended), they’ve succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.
    You’ll never read about this one hundred years from now, Robotic AI could care less about imperfect creatures as human. And the humans still alive are breed for the benefit of AI pedophile overlords emulating their former perverted masters.

  184. Ron Unz 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    This shameful about-face has nothing to do with Wade and Baker articles. These articles did not contain anything that was not available in the public domain before. I strongly suspect that these articles appeared after their authors, in line with Orwell’s 1984, were “quietly handed a note partway through” and “completely reversed” themselves after that.

    My opinion is that much of the MSM and political elites had been looking for a way to do an about-face on the virus issue after Trump lost and the Biden people decided to continue the confrontation with China. Plus all substantial pro-Trump/anti-China rightwing media was obviously eager to have their lab-leak theories vindicated.

    Personally, I think Baker was absolutely sincere, and he wrote exactly what he believed, though perhaps he decided to wait until Trump was gone. His article probably would have produced the complete MSM reversal in January if it hadn’t gotten swamped by the Trumpists storming the Capitol.

    I don’t know Baker, so that’s mere speculation on my part, but I’ve been friendly with Wade for about a decade, so I dropped him a congratulatory note after his article appeared, and we subsequently exchanged a number of emails.

    Based on the astonishing and ironic facts he told me, I can absolutely, positively guarantee that he wasn’t “nudged” by anyone into writing his important article. Please remember that it was just self-published on a blogging site rather than released with great fanfare by a high-profile publication.

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
    , @Greta Handel
    , @utu
  185. Wild Man 说:
    @michael888

    michael888 – on your comment:

    “While the Elderly should have the focus of protection from the start, it is preferable to losing the young and healthy (the horrible Spanish flu a hundred years ago spared the Elderly). ”

    …. yes …. one thing that it very concerning is that Covid Officialdom still doesn’t seem to want to impose the necessary rational yardstick, with respect to measuring the impacts of their polices …… and the necessary rational measure is that it is absolutely imperative (for rationality-sake) that the outcomes of Covid Officiadom’s actions be measured in terms of person-years of life saved or lost. One of the very weird things (among many) about Covid Officialdom’s policies, is that these policies muchly favor the self-interest of older-aged cohorts, to the detriment of the self-interest of the younger-aged cohorts, which is immediately apparent once one starts measuring of policy outcomes by way of person-years of life saved or lost, instead of just lives saved or lost, yet this more precise and needed measure is discouraged. One of many many many weirdnesses, that don’t make any rational sense, and do not correspond to historical practices, with respect to the official extremely wonky covid narrative as promoted by Covid Officialdom.

  186. Nancy 说:
    @FB

    Seems you ‘followed the money’. The ultimate explicator… thx.

    • 谢谢: FB
  187. AnonFromTN 说:
    @Ron Unz

    I don’t know either Wade or Baker personally. So, I have no reason to either believe or question their intentions. Thing is, all the info in both articles was on the Internet long before. Even if the articles were honest attempts to get to the bottom of this, they clearly weren’t the first (or even the second, third, etc.). The about-face of the MSM is certainly a choreographed change of lies spread by lying elites (or a fraction of those elites that found new lies more advantageous for themselves).

    • 同意: gay troll
    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  188. geokat62 说:
    @Craig Nelsen

    You’ve laid out a much more plausible scenario.

  189. @Admiral Assbar

    China and Iran have very deep trade links, and all it would take is one Iranian returning from Wuhan or one Chinese visiting Iran to start the spread.

    Your logic is impeccable, given the salient information.

    FWIW, I recall from very early in the piece, way back in early 2020, an article or two right here on 乌兹网 which alleged that the Corona Chan bugs in China, Iran and Italy were all found to be different strains. The inference was that the Iran strain was a rather more nasty bug than the Wuhan version.

    That also seemed to gel with independent Japanese and Taiwan university studies (also referenced here on 乌兹网) which concluded that, of all the various coronavirus strains out there, only North America had the full complement and so was deemed the likely original source of Corona Chan.

    All this is just from memory, of course, so I might well be mistaken. Just food for thought, anyway.

  190. Greg S. 说:
    @Ron Unz

    That presumes one believes the “official CNN narrative” out of India. Interesting how we can pick and choose which official narratives to believe and which to ignore.

    The reports out of India are mixed and often contradictory. Your own article alludes to this. This Indian man gives a nice summary of the alternative side of the story: that the extra deaths in India are due to the lockdowns, rising food prices, and starvation (and the worst is yet to come):
    https://odysee.com/@ResistanceGB:0/Indian-Farmers-II-uncensored:1

    [更多]

    Also if you know anything about India, and the level of sanitation in that country, you should have been absolutely amazed that for most of the pandemic, not much at all was happening in India. Why the sudden and dramatic shift in narrative?

    “Empirically,” it seems quite obvious to me that white European countries have been hit the hardest by the COVID-19 virus itself. Almost like someone planned it that way. You yourself say time and time again that America has fared terribly under COVID-19. Also Italy comes to mind as being hard hit. White South American countries also come to mind (but not the northern, more mixed race countries on that continent). In most Asian countries, such as China, it’s business as usual.

    It’s also worth noting that white European peoples and cultures are under attack in our world right now in multitude of ways, many of which are regularly documented by 乌兹网 columnists. White = bad is the common refrain of the day.

    And China just announced they are allowing 3 children per family now…

    Coincidence that as one culture/race is targeted for destruction, another appears to rise to take it’s place?

    Sometimes what appears to be the obvious truth is actually the truth, and complicated conspiracy theories are not required as explanations.

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  191. Ron Unz & all readers

    Thanks a ton. Michael Lewis’s new book premonition is a gift. Likely he weighed the unintended with the intended consequences of writing the book. I could troll the book any place & all the time haha.

    [更多]

    It settles the hisaab – the account – the maths & the science for even the wee bit skeptical.

    When “the road ahead” came out – when was it was it in the 80s or the 90s? I saw in India people begin the play with what are apps today. the scroll bars, the screen grabs, calendars, todos, contact lists, what not till Saddam was asked askance into babies got killed ku wait & killed 4 selling oil in euros for the divided house west which is in a currency war within itself first – hey htf can you print euro for an union when we cant for the Nau. So the freemason jobbers played on forever before the makework buttcoin was conjured. It was hey you all just bill the \$ dont you worry abt sheeting time India is a natural ally of us we celebrate porn & u religion the dick haha sivalinga sivalinga.

    Cia or darpa or the board behind the ceo, call the entity what you will, wtf does a ceo or prez know anyway when he is coming onto the Fleader job, the Ciazon builds the apps or gadgets or deezine patterns pornviewers or vaccines over years spanning decaydes & then emerges them out like a rare student does the full prep w/mocks before he walks his dick out for play

    Look up the book. Skim thru. glimpse thru. Or read it up like it is a legal case file

    2+2=wuhan haha

  192. Johan 说:

    Orwell’s 1984 is a satire on democracy, rather a morbid one, which is the only type of satire which in a democracy can become popular, aside of the very vulgar and crude form. A Plato’s Republic type of a criticism of democracy would get no attention.
    Since democratic people have no sense of humour, or as Oscar Wilde wrote, the people are grotesque, absurd and overly serious, 1984 has become the favourite book of conspiracy theorists and all kinds of democratic journalists on the ‘alternative side’.
    The only ‘dot connector’ you need in a democracy is that of connecting the absurd with the absurd.

  193. The latest Indian variant is proving really deadly; more than 10% of the infected have to be hospitalized, and, of them, a very significant portion die…

    • 回复: @Ultrafart the Brave
  194. Miro23 说:
    @Z-man

    If not known for anything else Taibbi will be immortalized for this; Taibbi 将高盛描述为“吸血鬼乌贼 wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money”.

    The root of the trouble seems to be Chinese exclusion of the great vampire squid from their country/economy. The great vampire squid’s unhappiness is expressed in multiple ways.

    • 同意: Iris
    • 回复: @Z-man
  195. R2b 说:
    @John Wear

    These basic historic facts, you will not get an answer here. But according to Köhnlein and Engelbrecht, in their excellent ”Virus Mania”, no such solid science exist. There’s just to much money and politcal gain to be made. Politics and money, that is the gain of function. (And please accept this one, mr adm)

  196. AnonFromTN 说:
    @Greg S.

    Interesting how we can pick and choose which official narratives to believe and which to ignore.

    Simple rule of thumb: if something is an official narrative, it’s a lie. Basically, it ain’t true unless the government denies it.

    • 同意: Ultrafart the Brave
    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Rich
  197. 情况可能比这更糟。 有证据表明,当暴露于被刺戳时,类似于病毒脱落的过程会导致未被刺戳的人患病。 没有人知道发生了什么,尽管有人猜测正在传播的是刺突蛋白,现在当然是由注射过的人批发生产的。

    [更多]

    男性明显报告睾丸疼痛,但妇科疾病更为常见,表现为流产、月经不调、绝经后妇女甚至初潮前女孩的阴道出血(在一个报告的案例中,一名 22 个月大的婴儿排出了血液) -凝块鸡蛋大小),甚至批发蜕膜。 正在进行一项研究以调查这些现象:

    https://mycyclestory.com/

    有自我传播疫苗之类的东西,这个过程可能是类似的。 如果真的发生了,肇事者一定有自己的解药。 这可能是两种化合物中的一种,苏拉明或莽草酸,或两者兼而有之,而且解决方案可能就像用松针制成的茶一样简单(真的!):

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-05-09-is-pine-needle-tea-the-answer-to-covid-vaccine-shedding-suramin-shikimic-acid.html

    该网络研讨会提供了有关保持健康的可能策略的更多信息:

    https://rumble.com/vhqjrb-critically-thinking-with-dr.-t-and-dr.-p-episode-48-special-edition-5-doc-u.html

    疯狂的东西,但我们生活在血腥的噩梦中。

    • 谢谢: Ultrafart the Brave
  198. Wild Man 说:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Ultrafart thr Brave – on your comment:

    “according to Dr. Peter McCullough, 85-90% of the Corona Chan fatalities could have been avoided if the known safe and effective remedies hadn’t been deliberately blocked by Western governments.”

    [更多]

    …. yes ….. the link you provided embedded in your comment, to the longer Dr. Peter McCullough interview (the one that is 1 hour and 45 minutes long), …. this is key for everyone to absorb what this clinician has to say. I have been watching all the twists and turns of the unfolding covid narrative from near the beginning. Dr. Peter McCullough is not mis-representing anything, in that long interview. Everything he outlines, happened just like he said it happened (as anyone who was following closely enough will have to concede).

    The documented behavior of western Covid Officialdom’s attitude – an attitude of downplaying, blocking, censoring, and shaming of information coming from medical clinical professionals willing to innovate around potential non-vaccine prophylactics and therapeutics, (inclusive of temporary withdrawal of professional credentials as occurred in some cases), so as to go all-in on vaccine development instead, which was Covid Officialdom’s apparent attitude by around the end of April/20, is evidence for the claim that the vaxx IS the agenda (and note that alot of people died unnecessarily because of this vaxx-or-nothing stance). Since this Covid Officialdom attitude was and is unexpected and irrational, I don’t think it is wise for our bloghost (or anyone) – to simply ignore these facts as inconsequential.

    If a rogue Pompeo (or Bolton or other well-placed NeoCon) was the moron-mastermind behind the actual original infection source … then why, after such moronic operation backfired and brought unanticipated death to America, did Covid Officialdom not seek to mitigate that potential death, by way of sponsoring clinical innovations around non-vaccine prophylactics and therapeutics?

    • 同意: Ultrafart the Brave
  199. Herald 说:
    @Miro23

    It’s clear that China isn’t Iraq, but the Neo-cons have probably still made the (very high risk) calculation that the US has sufficient power to defeat China in a conventional war in the South China Sea.

    Yes that is becoming clear and it is high risk indeed. The US is highly unlikely to have sufficient conventional power to roll China over in the South China Sea or anywhere else for that matter.

    The Neos know that such a reckless conventional adventure would almost certainly end very badly, but they will see it as a way of propelling a butt-hurt US and its public into accepting a full scale nuclear attack, so getting rid of the Chinese problem once and for all. Then on to Russia, no doubt.

    So many things could go wrong here, not least Russia siding early with China, but Neo-cons don’t always see things all that clearly.

    • 回复: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  200. @A.z

    他们必须在自己控制的实验室外面由不知名且可以处理的专家自行开发(不是在政府自己计划的军事设施中开发的一些众所周知的病毒,因为有外国代理人或某人渗透的风险挺身而出太棒了)。

    是的,这是一个正确的观察。 相反,如果有人假设肇事者从常规研究实验室窃取了病毒,那么在病毒身份公开的那一刻,参与该研究的每个人显然都会知道这一点; 这些人显然会成为潜在的告密者。 避免这种情况的唯一方法是让整个研究团队成为行动的帮凶。 至少可以说,这显然是非常困难的。

    And since we are on that line of speculation, what about the field agents who, as per the hypothesis, thought they were on an official mission? Do they still think that? Are they reliable to keep the secret forever? Secret agents must have a very peculiar mind indeed if that’s the case.

    • 同意: Triteleia Laxa
    • 回复: @Iris
  201. BorisMay 说:

    The first problem with this article is that there isn’t a virus…thus Ron Unz is brainwashed by the very media he purportedly opposes.

    [更多]

    Second all virus deaths are attributed with absolutely no autopsies to confirm this.

    Third, the virus can only be the ordinary flu virus we experience every year, renamed by big Pharma as Covid.

    Fourth, follow the money is the first and foremost rule of thumb in investigations. The money goes to big Pharma which is owned lock, stock and barrel by Vanguard Investments, a privately owned company similar to Blackrock.

    Fifth, the main beneficiaries are the 2,250 billionaires, trillionaires and quadrillionairrs. On top of that there about 100 other families that are so stinking rich, no one, not even them know quite how much they are worth.

    Sixth, if you were one of these families, would you bother manufacturing a virus when you can create a mythical one with the lying, two faced backstabber politicians, media barons and advertising agencies all based on lies, fear and people’s unrealistic desires to live for ever?

    Seventh…Ron Unz has clearly lost the plot writing this obfuscation. Wise up Ron before it is too late.

    • 谢谢: Emslander, John Wear
  202. @Ron Unz

    […] I’ve been friendly with Wade for about a decade, so I dropped him a congratulatory note after his article appeared, and we subsequently exchanged a number of emails.

    Based on the astonishing and ironic facts he told me, […]

    Did Mr. Wade tell you why, beginning with its title

    COVID的由来:人还是大自然打开了潘多拉魔盒 在武汉?

    his article without acknowledgement much less justification restricts any discussion of provenance to China?

  203. @Whistleblower

    thank you for reposting this. very important piece of the puzzle.

  204. Mefobills 说:
    @Cowboy

    Lolbertarians 几乎总是有人格缺陷。

    你是另一个很好的例子。

    而不是承认你明显的稻草人,你转移。

    Lols 大部分是士气低落的类型,类似于犹太人。

  205. Ace 说:
    @Emslander

    I have immense respect for Mr. Unz and his ability to churn out articles of amazing insight and honesty. However, the “military athletes unleashed the virus” theory still seems weak to me as it’s too obvious a mechanism. Developing information about earlier lab illnesses and now a particular patient 1 may completely sideline the theory that some operative in the athletic contingent was the source. Far more discrete options were available and I don’t buy that the putative US operatives would choose a time and a mechanism that I consider amateurish.

    I further don’t buy that any responsible, intelligent official — and that is who would have devised, authorized and/or implemented this act of war against China — would discount the clear danger that a virus in the wild in China would spread willy nilly in this highly interconnected vale of tears. The Spanish Flu reached remote areas of Alaska when communications were still vestigial. Nothing less than a presidential decision would have been necessary to take this kind of action and I do not believe Trump would have consented. Even Obama had enough sense to draw back from a reasonably limited action against Syria after the bogus Ghouta incident in 2013. Big shout out to you, Mr. President. You done good, Sir.

    If Trump’s approval can be discounted then were into another layer of rogue/deep state operating that I think really and truly “out there” as the kiddies might say.

    The inclusion of medical advisers in the planning of this assault would be an absolute necessity and it’s a certainty he or they would have been aghast at the idea of a half-assed plan to infect the planet. I am sure the core group of the operation would have necessarily been even larger. And the larger the group the more certain there will be a leak and then it’s off to the races with “damage control” if there is a leak. The public’s appetite for Epstein suicide fairy tales is probably dangerously close to being sated.

    And any person who consented to be part of such a group had to assume a bullseye could be painted on his or her back at any time that his or her continued existence was considered a bother. Tragic Tesla accident and all that.

    The composition of such an operational team or unit is also of interest. In my opinion, only absolute psychopaths would run or take part in the planning and execution of such an abomination. I’ve known precisely one in my long life and I don’t believe that, in general, they are in short supply, but I’m thinking not even the USG would would use such a personality as an operative in or as the honcho of the operation. There is the “seven countries in five years” mindset. The officer or NCO who disclosed this plan to Gen. Clark, for example, reflects the good sense and morals possessed by any and all members of the military with whom I served. Ditto for my time in the Agency. These people are our brothers and sisters and who they are should be our starting point rather than the notion that they are gutless, immoral careerists. Even though one of our very highest officials gifted us with the memorable, “We came. We saw. He died.” exultation, any officials slightly removed from people such as her on down will more and more start to resemble rather normal people with mortgages and lawns to mow.

    Now, all that said, there remain one more plausible theory, two countervailing mysteries, and a plain vanilla mystery. The theory of negligent lab operation/accidental lab release scenario seems far more simple, esp. as it does not entail a rogue US operation to commit an act of war against China.

    The first countervailing mystery is Why did the Chinese permit travel out of China as the infection reached dangerous levels? I don’t know the answer but I don’t buy that they absolutely understood the necessity of shutting down city travel and travel to other Chinese cities but they did not understand that international air travel should also be shut down.

    The other countervailing mystery is why was there such a full-court press inside the U.S. to shut down discussion of HCQ, Invermectin, and whatever other non-vaccine approaches that were clearly worth examining if not embracing wholeheartedly. The initial weeks of confusion and backing and filling would certainly have included a Karl Rove-type whiteboard and a brainstormed list of resources, options, and threat analysis. But these “alternative” treatments not only didn’t get discussed but discussion of them was banished by none other than YouTube and Facebook. The famous Lancet article was an out and out deliberate distortion. On top of all this there was also the obvious manipulation of the true effect of the virus in cases of death (in the statistics) and the fraud of the pumped up PCR test cycle threshold and the different cycle rate mandated for the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.

    What was that all about? It seems with this kind of suppression of inconvenient narrative we’re edging closer to Great Reset territory.

    Contrary to what I just said about normal, decent people in the government I absolutely believe there is a deep reservoir of pure malevolence and stupidity in the political class that would make embracing the lies of the Great Reset a piece of cake. “Because we love you!”

    Add in the deceitful commitment to economic destruction via lockdown (and the Green/”climate change” agenda, incitement of AntiFa and BLM, egregious electoral fraud and the rise of the lunatic, malevolent left and behind the obsession with vaccines and it’s possible to posit that there is something in all of this that boils down to deliberate destruction of the U.S. and implementation of the Deep State’s most heartfelt desire — population reduction. There’s something just odd about this hysteria about vaccination, vaccination, vaccination for a disease that’s not that bad.

    Maybe the last mystery — why Fauci was so extraordinarily eager to finance gain-of-function in China, no less — folds into the Great Reset scenario. I dunno. But applying the Holmesian formula, since the U.S. government response at all levels is absolutely inconsistent with a moral, rational, patriotic, decent mindset, therefore, no matter how unlikely, the only conclusion possible is that we are witnessing a scheme of extraordinary malevolence. In general, that makes sense for a lot of other reasons but 更何况 in this context. The war on China theory just doesn’t seem to hold a candle to that.

    PS – it’s also a mystery why China would be interested in GOF function research.

    PPS — I think your second sentence is too hard on Mr. Unz. I believe he’s a fair-minded gent and his analysis is valuable for the insights he has into our absurd times and the informed commentary it has stimulated.

    • 同意: Ben the Layabout
    • 回复: @Emslander
    , @Wild Man
    , @Anon
  206. 考虑到伊朗是如何同时遭到袭击的,你们中有多少人理解实验室泄漏理论是愚蠢的?

    这是 100% 的生物武器释放和攻击。

    我们最好他妈的祈祷中国人不要在covid 19结束后以同样的方式回击我们。

  207. Agent76 说:

    1 年 2021 月 0 日证明:CXNUMXVlD 是人为操纵的产物

    突然间,媒体愿意真正看看武汉实验室泄漏理论,但他们问错了问题。 我已经报道了这一年多。 今天,我重新发布了我对 David Martin 博士的独家采访,内容是关于从 2013 年开始获得职能资金的清晰书面记录。

    • 回复: @lavoisier
  208. vinteuil 说:

    The alpha & omega of this silly piece is that Xi Jinping & the CCP are innocent little lambs in the woods, cruelly framed by Donald Trump & Mike Pompeo for fostering a global pandemic which, in fact, originated in American bio-weapons labs run by neo-con Jews determined to demonize China…neo-con Jews who totally love Donald Trump…

  209. Ace 说:
    @216

    I agree about the big tech platforms. It is possible to phrase one’s arguments in language that is free of red hot buzz words. I’ve had some interesting discussions on YouTube for example, but in the end frank exchange of views is not possible with big tech. That said, there are sites like this one, Moon of Alabama, Sic Semper Tyrannis, Occidental Dissent, Russia Dissent, and South Front, inter alia, that offer plenty of opportunity to have free and frank discussions. For now. Actually, I’m banned from MoA but it’s one of the better sites I’ve been banned from.

  210. Ace 说:
    @mapman

    I agree that your point one is a valid consideration for the Chinese. The Uighur genocide themelet has taken on a life of its own and I don’t buy it. The U.S. just doesn’t like it when foreign nations don’t agree to commit suicide by fawning over this or that instance of minority dyspepsia.

    I don’t know why the Wuhan Institute research should be seen as one of China’s “crowning scientific achievements.” Why they were willing to engage in dangerous Frankenresearch in cooperation with the U.S. is something I don’t understand.

    Bottom line, however, if it was just stupid research they should come clean. As should we. A lot of clarification would result if we knew what the lab was doing. Non-disclosure = justifiable suspicion.

    I am sure, notwithstanding, that questions of liability may cross their minds.

  211. anonym25 说:
    @Craig Nelsen

    It’s good that you mention that Israel started spreading the rumors of the US team bringing the virus with them to the Wuhan Games because, likewise, a Mossad Agent, Dany Shoham sowed the seeds of the Wuhan lab leak theory in a Washington Post article back in january 2o2o. The Anti-China crowd amplified this narrative through right wing websites such as NTD news and the Zerohedge, among others, to further twist people’s perception. Even the British tabloids dashed to gain the upper hand in the covid19 narrative and spewed even more slanders back in february 2020. In the end, Israel successfully pitted both the US and China to deflect blame on whomever it could be easier to swindle.

    When it comes to weaken economically China, I still agree that was the whole point but we can go ever further and make the claim that they were even targeting the Chinese population. It may be a low fatality virus (although we don’t even know the true extent of the death toll: even Fauci was declaring that as many as 9o0’ooo American citizens just few days ago) but it was also highly transmissible which could run amok in a high density populated city. The death might be able to reach the hundred of thousands if left unchecked, which is why the Chinese decided to tighten the security measures by imposing a regionwide lockdown. Also, we shouldn’t rule out that the Chinese faked the death toll at the beginning for fear it would spark a backlash from the population, thus avoiding accountability which would force the Chinese to speak out and eventually start a war over this.

  212. Z-man 说:
    @Miro23

    好。
    That also partially explains Russia. Putin has put many ‘middle men’ in their place.

  213. utu 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Based on the astonishing and ironic facts he told me, I can absolutely, positively guarantee that he wasn’t “nudged” by anyone into writing his important article.

    It took him over 12 months (May 2, 2021) to write his article mostly based on what Yuri Deigin wrote already in April 22, 2020.

    实验室制造? 从功能获得性研究的角度看 SARS-CoV-2 谱系
    https://yurideigin.medium.com/lab-made-cov2-genealogy-through-the-lens-of-gain-of-function-research-f96dd7413748

    Why he did not muster courage to write about it sooner? Was he afraid to be seen as giving support to the deplorable Trump? Or was there a green light which some hidden hand was about to switch on for which he waited? I do not see it to be much different from “nudging”.

    The whole theory of Deigin is based on one claim:

    (i) The furin cleavage fragment looks, seems to be not natural (whatever it means – no quantitative analysis is provided with calculated probabilities of the furin cleavage site occurring naturally)

    and one insinuation

    (ii) RaTG13 that Shi Zhengli pulled out of her sleeve in January 2020 could be a fabrication (mathematically made up sequence) that was made for the sole purpose of the cover up. From which follows that cover up implies guilt.

    Deigin made two different arguments. The first one is debatable as papers that I linked in my comment show:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-george-orwells-virus-lab-leak/#comment-4691606

    and the second one which contains in itself the assumption that the virus originated in the Wuhan Lab which is not a valid argument but a rhetorical maneuver

    You strongly rejected the hypothesis that Wuhan Lab leaked the virus, so you must reject one half of Deigin argumentation as specious. Then you are left with Deigin’s claim that the furin cleavage site looks strange. But it does not look strange to people who actually have knowledge of viruses.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  214. Iris 说:
    @Craig Nelsen

    流氓深州新保守主义者过去曾与摩萨德合作,推动改变世界的事件,而且他们很可能也在这里。

    To all the points you made, you can add the publicization of the Fort Detrick “break-of containment” and the mysterious EVALI disease that looks exactly like Covid19, and even accurately matches its epidemic footprint.
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/lio2.386

    Isn’t it extraordinary that such two exceptional events, bearing a seemingly “logical” link to the emergence of a new unidentified virus, both occurred within six months before the outbreak?
    这两个确认事件在 2019 年夏季发生的可能性有多大 不能 与 2019 年 XNUMX 月中国爆发的疫情有关?

    此外,人们必须承认,无论那些在中国播种的新保守派的结局如何,拜登政府都有相同的目标,因为它正在追随他们的道路,至少到目前为止是这样。
    Since there is no change in China policy, those “rogue NeoCons” may actually be very mainstream and powerful, as in those who define the Democratic Party’s foreign policy agenda.

    通过仔细研究肯尼迪遇刺事件和 9/11 成立事件,很明显,以色列两次都使用了相同的、非常成功的作案手法。 它策划、计划、配备并执行了这两项活动。 但它也照顾到了倒霉的演员或担任官方政府职位的个别犯罪同伙,他们被双重交叉或利用,因此美国官方机构不知不觉地和不情愿地与犯罪联系在一起,不得不参与掩护-向上。

    Covid19 犯罪对谁有利?
    At the top of the list certainly stands Israel, who according to analysts such as Andrew Bacevich, is a prime driver of the US’ hegemonic agenda. The reason is obvious: Israel’s expansion and even existence depends solely on the USA remaining the world’s number one superpower.
    后来的事件,例如最近的中国/伊朗战略协议,追溯性地更加重视这一事实。

    以色列也非常需要美国来对抗中国,而 Covid19 是理想的借口。
    传播有关 Fort Detrick 和仍然神秘的 EVALI 疾病的信息 提前,虽然同样从一开始就谴责生物武器,但让以色列处于非常舒适的位置,受到几个妥协层的保护,最终是它有能力勒索美国。

    It is my speculation: I wouldn’t be surprised if Israel actually possesses evidence that SARS-CoV2 originated in Fort Detrick, and will ultimately use it to blackmail legalist American authorities, in case they don’t pursue the confrontation with China.

    • 回复: @Mefobills
  215. Emslander 说:
    @Ace

    I believe he’s a fair-minded gent and his analysis is valuable for the insights he has into our absurd times and the informed commentary it has stimulated.

    My impression of Mr. Unz over a fairly short time reading on this web page matches yours, up to this time. In this context, he seems to be following a scorched earth attack on everyone who questions the Fauci agenda.

    I think the berserker style of attacks on anything Trump suggested as cures or ameliorations of the effects of the novel virus indicated something very sinister was going on in our governmental-medical establishment and Mr. Unz seems to have fallen right in behind that campaign.

    I’ve said before that this obsession appears uncharacteristic of Mr. Unz and I’ll leave it at that.

    Otherwise, I find your post very enlightening.

    • 回复: @Ace
  216. Iris 说:
    @Brás Cubas

    That would obviously be very difficult, to say the least.

    No. People working in classified establishments, including freelance contractors, are bound by confidentiality commitments governed by strict Regulations.
    Such Regulations originated in the UK in 1911 under the Official Secrets Act, and are now enforced by dozens of NATO countries. Good luck to any whistle blower; they will legally end up like Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning.

    • 回复: @Brás Cubas
  217. @dgh

    this sounds plausible…also it might account for some of WA’s early cases, if some of the military personal flew out of seattle or LA.

  218. anon[307]• 免责声明 说:

    reb unz says america expected it would not suffer much. it was best prepared and it hadn’t suffered from the other two bat viruses.

    okay. but what about countries other than china and iran? developed countries might be as safe as the US, but developing countries no safer than china or iran. so reb unz is telling us the plotters didn’t care or were so stupid this didn’t occur to them.

    with reb unz’s jfk theory i wonder if he’s ever actually heard of occam’s razor or sailor’s butter knife.

    this is why all copies of the talmud must be kept in the same room as smallpox at the cdc.

  219. 感谢您关注此事。 我希望其他读者理解,很难找到与国家安全(深层)国家有关的任何真实信息,因为它深深地融入了从宣传/公关到“娱乐”再到学院的社会结构中。

    使用 COVID 并将以与 9/11 用于增加国家权力的相同方式使用 COVID。 因为我已经对华盛顿的兴趣(自二战结束以来)将任何东西武器化以实现华盛顿对地球的完全统治(为了自己的利益继承纳粹对武力的崇拜)的兴趣,所以我很快看到对这一切的可能解释是,这是为实现华盛顿的长期目标而进行的一系列英特尔行动中的又一次。

    好消息是,越来越多的人对体育和天气以外的任何形式的官方声明持怀疑态度——尽管当局不知疲倦地试图让我们所有人保持一致,但这种情况不会自行逆转。 最终,当局将面临是他们只想说实话还是成为人类怪物。

  220. ‘the Covid epidemic, which has devastated much of the world’

    Incorrect. It was the utterly disproportionate reaction to the virus which has devastated much of the world.

    • 同意: Cortes, R2b
  221. Anon[687]• 免责声明 说:
    @utu

    “ I would be more interested in looking into why the virus eradication policy similar to that in China, Taiwan and NZ was not opted for in the West. ”

    That’s a very good question. The key question, in fact. In the West we have had a waterfall of mistakes, hence the flip-flops (on masks, on border closures, etc).

    So, were those truly mistakes? Or was there an ulterior motive, a method to the madness, a plan for the day after?

    Such a motive could be say, sell vaccines and impuse vaccine passports. Win-win for economic giants and aspiring authoritarians that are working together. Pompeo is —if he is at all— just somebody’s employee. Jacob Schiff launched a school.

    • 回复: @utu
  222. Bolteric 说:
    @Ron Unz

    罗恩

    你认为病毒在更高的释放剂量下比仅仅通过人类交流更致命吗?

    似乎最不脆弱的个体发生了随机死亡。 The Congressman-elect from Louisiana comes to mind. 他只有41岁,并没有超重。

    另外,我不清楚为什么中国在一年多前最初​​的封锁之后没有遭受第二波死亡。

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  223. Rdm 说:
    @Yee

    While we mere mortals argue over here; the origin of covid or who’s to blame game, twittersphere explodes with swords fight and dagger throws. MSM throw bones here and there, fringe outlets pick up pieces and argue if this is femur or tibia.

    都是为了节目。 魔鬼在幕后工作。 中国最近批准贝莱德进入大陆。 所有 1% 的人都把骨头扔给我们去挑架。

    • 回复: @Wade
  224. @Ultrafart the Brave

    It was quite obvious from early on that this would be used as a casus belli for aggressive war against China. The more vicious Murdochites were on it quite early, one being used as mouth-piece for US ‘intelligence’ disinfo., and the rest of the uniformly racist and Sinophobic Rightwing fakestream media have gradually joined in. Talk of war with China, a sure and certain recipe for national destruction, is reverberating on the hard Right, ie the ruling regime and its flunkies, and the ‘Opposition’ barely dissents. Indeed some of its ‘females’ are among the most rabid anti-Chinese racists.
    It was ALWAYS absolutely certain that the USA and its Atlanticist satraps would never, ever, allow any non-Western power to rise to global pre-eminence. Years, decades, of subversion, sabotage, war (including bio-warfare)hate-and fear-mongering propaganda targeting China did not ‘bring them down’ as US thugs openly declared was their aim. Now it is too late to do so, but the reptilian psychopaths in power in politics, the media and much of academia in the West are so riven by race hatred and delusions of superiority and invulnerability that they still think they can treat China like Iraq. We are pretty well rooted, I would say.

    • 同意: emersonreturn
    • 谢谢: FB
  225. Wild Man 说:
    @Ace

    Ace – on your comment:

    “But applying the Holmesian formula, since the U.S. government response at all levels is absolutely inconsistent with a moral, rational, patriotic, decent mindset, therefore, no matter how unlikely, the only conclusion possible is that we are witnessing a scheme of extraordinary malevolence.”

    …. yes. There is a western (but anti-true-western in ideology) supranational globalist cabal that seeks to continue to usurp and accrue western decision-making power in a super-centralized fashion, all the while making it out like the western checks and balances of having institutions that cross-check with other institutional nodes, and as such, provide the key necessary ingredient so as to avoid corrupting influences (some decentralization of decision-making power), ….. have not been compromised, and as such, said ‘necessary level of western decentralization of power’ is still intact ….. which is simply not true. The western (but anti-true-western in ideology) globalist cabal have subverted all the western institutions by now (however that may not be clear to many many operators operating within the lower rungs of said institutions). It’s all smoke and mirrors (for quite some time now). As such, what the naive general public experiences, with respect to interfaces with said corrupted western institutions … is like kabuki theater.

    This western (but anti-true-western in ideology) supranational globalist cabal, geopolitically, interfaces with two other primary nodes of international power …. Russia on the one hand, and China on the other. At this juncture we don’t know all that much about these interfaces (the western, but anti-true-western in ideology, globalist cabal, as interfacing with the other two primary geopolitical poles), because this globalist cabal keeps their own publics in the dark, around the true nature of said interfaces.

    As such, the much more likely ‘not naturally sourced’ origination of the virus that brought on covid-19, means that, from a rational perspective, ….. we need to examine the motives of each of the 3 parties (and the sub-parties embedded in each of the 3 major geopolitical parties …. like Israel and the Jewish lobby, as a major and very influential sub-party of the western, but anti-true-western in ideology, globalist cabal, for instance). Since the western general public doesn’t know as much about the inner workings of the CCP and of China, as would be otherwise appropriate, ….. it is very hard to make a determination, overall, as a concerned citizen, as to what is going on here with this Covid Officialdom’s wonky covid narrative. It appears that the western, but anti-true-western in ideology, globalist cabal …. have placed their entire populaces in cognition cages, by way of limiting access to information, as well as by way of outright lying. CCP may well do something similar to their own populace (like Steve Bannon & company keep rhetoricizing around).

    As such …. my guess at this point (but this is purely just speculation at this early juncture) is that the western (but anti-true-western in ideology) supranational globalist cabal, and the CCP, are working in conjunction on this covid fiasco (it is clear what the western globalist cabal would get out of such arrangement … ongoing usurpation and accrual of more centralization of their decision-making power ….. maybe the CCP gets something out of this too? ….. perhaps behind-the-scenes coordination with the western globalist cabal with respect to ongoing developments of technologies and methods for population mind-control)? Perhaps the overall lying covid narrative for the western globalist cabal, and for western Covid Officialdom, and for the CCP …. is about setting up the conditions whereby the CCP and said cabal can better work together on liberty-crushing methods and technologies. Under said scenario, I suppose the 2 geopolitical parties (the CCP and the western globalist cabal) fully realize that they may be vying for the same prize (global population control) ….. but agree to work with each other anyways, in the medium-term, because …… ultimately …. how can any geopolitical party that may be seeking ultimate global population control, think they could achieve that goal, if there were still geopolitical jurisdictions available that freedom-lovers may potentially escape to?

    • 回复: @One-off
    , @Ace
  226. @Ron Unz

    That the benefits may turn out to be small or non-existent in the real world doesn’t change the fact that from a design perspective, the virus doesn’t make sense for your blowback theory. Unless you think Fort Detrick scientists conducted Tuskegee-style experiments to see the real-world effects of their pathogen. Where are the victims of that experiment, and how did they contain it so that it didn’t turn into a pandemic?

    • 回复: @Kevin Barrett
  227. Yee 说:

    SafeNow,

    “China Airlines Flight 605 exemplifies the cavalier ethos of the Chinese toward safety measures. Two Chinese pilots plowed off the runway into shallow water at Kong when they decided to land in a storm, including wind shear. A missed approach — a minimum safety measure — was mandatory, but was ignored. Minutes before, a British Airways pilot refused to land at all.

    Regarding the Wuhan Lab, the U.S. well knew the Chinese predilection to be grudging about safety measures. Examples abounded.”

    China Airlines is a Taiwanese airlines. The offical name for Taiwan is Republic Of China. They’re American lap dog your brave military are ready to protect…

    • 同意: Mulga Mumblebrain
  228. @Iris

    Thanks for the information. But there is one aspect that is not very clear to me: since this is supposed to have been a rogue operation, I think there is a great probability that the head of the laboratory from which the virus was supposedly stolen was not in on it. This means he would have to report the incident to a superior, who was probably also not in on it. An on and on. So, a lot of people would get to know about the bioattack eventually. An unsafe situation, it seems.

  229. @Neuromancer

    大卫艾克有一个不同的角度。 他说没有病毒。 无论如何,这不是一种叫做 SARS-Cov-2 的奇怪的、致命的新病毒。 在他看来,我们在这里拥有的是一个出色执行的心理战,以恐吓世界,证明封锁是合理的,并发射真正的生物武器——而且 将是疫苗。

    因此,政治阶层和 MSM 采取的这种新策略只是一个经过深思熟虑的举措,目的是让平民专注于致命的假想病毒。 如果未洗过的大众认为 Corona-Chan 来自一碗汤中的蝙蝠,或者是武汉实验室阴险的研究人员的工作,那么他们的目的就很好。 关键是要让世界分心讨论这种致命病毒的起源,而不是过多地讨论疫苗的性质。 他们的目标是在人们弄清楚发生了什么之前将其注入尽可能多的身体。

  230. The 28th of October is the day day after the Wuhan Games ended exactly 19.84 years into the quickened last days

    The last days are 20 years long

    And the angel poured a phial upon the waters [nations] REV

  231. Ron Unz 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    I don’t know either Wade or Baker personally. So, I have no reason to either believe or question their intentions. Thing is, all the info in both articles was on the Internet long before. Even if the articles were honest attempts to get to the bottom of this, they clearly weren’t the first (or even the second, third, etc.).

    Well, I hope I’m not violating a confidence, but I think I’ll describe the very ironic backstory of the important Nicholas Wade article.

    Wade had been working on an entirely different book, but naturally became interested in the Covid controversy last year, and began reading much of the material that was available on the Internet. He was disturbed that almost all of it was being ignored or misrepresented in the MSM, and eventually decided to write up an article of his own, laying out his own analysis.

    Despite his very considerable credibility in science journalism, when he tried shopping around his article to a wide range of publications all across the ideological spectrum, every single one of them flatly rejected it.

    So finally he decided that since no one was willing to publish his article but he’d already spent quite a lot of time researching and writing it, he might as well just put it up on the 中等 website. And that’s how it got “published.”

    Given the massive international publicity, the total transformation of the national political debate, and the sudden decision of Facebook to lift the ban on discussing the lab-leak theory for its three billion(!) users, I think his universally-rejected article has probably had more real-world impact more quickly than anything else published anywhere in many, many years.

    So you can decide for yourself how his article fits into your framework of rejecting whatever the MSM says is true…

    • 谢谢: Mark Hunter
  232. Bob 说:
    @Ace

    It’s odd that Ron avoids these considerations because they actually strengthen his thesis, especially if he expands his “rogue actors” beyond Pompeo to a larger group that are also behind the push to vaccinate the world. I have warmed more to his theory due to the Western response to covid than the evidence he cites. Additionally vaccinating children and testing vaccines on babies seems especially sinister to me and telling of very bad motives, probably for greater control of earth’s citizens. Ron understands the complexities of the JFK assassination and 9/11. The Patriot Act, the Iraq War, the 2008 crash, the BO admin, then sedition against Trump… releasing covid on the world fits right in.

    • 同意: idrankwhat
    • 回复: @Ace
  233. Ron Unz 说:
    @Bolteric

    你认为病毒在更高的释放剂量下比仅仅通过人类交流更致命吗?

    很有可能。 病毒载量可能是一个重要因素。

    似乎最不脆弱的个体发生了随机死亡。 The Congressman-elect from Louisiana comes to mind. 他只有41岁,并没有超重。

    很难说。 据我所知,这种病毒对 40 多岁的人来说是危险的,但对 XNUMX 岁或 XNUMX 多岁的人来说危险得多。 也许他只是运气不好。

    另外,我不清楚为什么中国在一年多前最初​​的封锁之后没有遭受第二波死亡。

    China totally stamped out the virus, thereby eliminating the possibility of significant additional waves after the lockdowns ended. Meanwhile, the West didn’t, and the tens or hundreds of thousands of people still infected produced new waves after each set of lockdowns.

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
    , @Bob
  234. 感谢 Ron UNZ 的坚持。 太阳开始从云层后面重新出现。 这个 COVID BS 并非偶然。 我仍然坚持认为,这应该是一个跨国组织的受控生物战实验,但结果适得其反,杀死了许多自己无辜的人。 该病毒是在武汉实验室开发的,该实验室是多个国家的共享实验室,目的是使用生物武器进行受控实验,目的是杀死尽可能多的不喜欢的人。 但是一旦在目标场所使用,就变得不可控了。 这就是为什么许多国防部门的许多团体已经开始研究如何在未来使用生化武器对付他人时保护自己的力量。

  235. utu 说:
    @Anon

    “Such a motive could be say, sell vaccines and impose vaccine passports. ” – I do not see it as a causative motive. Pfizer annual revenue is \$50 billion on average and capitalization is over \$200 billion. The revenue in 2020 dropped by \$10 billion (???) despite that Pfizer made few billions extra from the vaccine.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/266171/revenue-of-pfizer-since-2006/

    This article claims than in 2021 Pfizer will make \$15 billion from the vaccine.

    https://qz.com/1967638/pfizer-will-make-15-billion-from-covid-19-vaccine-sales/

    当帝国采取全球范式转变行动时,它不会让其庞大的公司挨饿并密切关注他们的福祉,因为毕竟公司是这个帝国最重要的选民。 但从帝国的角度来看,大型制药公司的利润波动是微不足道的噪音。

    2003 年对伊拉克的战争不是代表古董艺术品经销商发动的,但帝国允许艺术品经销商在解放后的几个小时内对伊拉克博物馆进行非常有组织和彻底的掠夺行动,并在战争发生时和当战争发生时视而不见。艺术品被走私到国外。 通过对艺术品经销商和收藏家如此宽宏大量,帝国扩大了在他们中间的支持者。 但伊拉克的艺术收藏并不是战争的原因。 抢劫只是摧毁伊拉克目标的一小部分。

    具有流行病学意义的免疫护照对人们来说是一个小麻烦,对帝国内部的控制狂来说几乎没有好处。 如果西方决定效仿台湾和新西兰,旅行限制将更加严厉,边境将长期关闭,人们会认为,这将受到与移民有关的右翼的欢迎。 同时,从封锁中恢复的速度会更快,人们会再次认为右翼商会派会为之鼓掌。 但我们看到的是相反的。 右派想要群体免疫并让它撕裂。 有没有可能右派真的想要最高的死亡人数?

    来自中国的早期图像虽然可能有些夸张,但描绘了一幅非常严重的疾病爆发的画面。 人们在街上行走时正在下降。 在街道上没有人的城市,卡车的电池正在街道上喷洒消毒剂。 巨大的大厅,数百人躺在无人看管的床上,仿佛在等待死亡。 无论是中共还是法轮功,无论是有意的还是无意的,无论是谁在西方传播给我们的形象,都传达给我们的信息是非常认真地对待这种疾病。 但我们没有。 我们忽略了警告。 创建群体​​免疫模因基本上是为了忽略这种疾病。 所以我再次问:帝国真的想要高死亡人数吗?

    无论如何,我仍然在想,西方的松懈反应可能是更深层次战略的一部分,以堆积受害者并建立对中国的不满资本。

    • 回复: @Bolteric
  236. Skeptikal 说:
    @Skeptikal

    OK, so let’s try this again.

    Dots start connecting on the Corona Operation: medical, financial, Big Tech, intelligence, Big Philanthropy.
    Here are five or so dots:

    [更多]

    ##https://rumble.com/vhp7y5-full-interview-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html [[start at ca. 1:30:00 if you are pressed for time, on character/purpose of “vaccines”; corona is pretext for vax, supposedly mainly to help elderly and “vulnerable”; now, the “elderly” are the ones whose immune systems are too “weak” and they have most serious adverse reactions; it looks to me now like the real goal may be to vax the young]]

    ##https://corona-ausschuss.de/en/ [[Session 54: Brian Gerrish, of UK Column, esp. at end, re City and UK intelligence; session 38: Catherine Austin Fitts–the money angle–important date is Sept. 2019; ignore her “tsunami riff” (altho, who knows??); These sessions are not separate URLs; you have to scroll down to them from the main page but then you can enlarge to full screen]]

    ##https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/05/31/facebook-censoring-vaccine-hesitancy.aspx?ui=b574c467c0b6fd2676d8609508c26a62db6f6c2cf53c88d819fd3b12e06753e2&sd=20161120&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20210531_HL2&mid=DM898856&rid=1171587595 [[Suppression of off-vaccine-narrative info by Big Tech]]

    ##https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCFbgWjgp2M [Rob Braxman, “Society is Changing” on centratlization of data by Big Tech and the significance of “date & identity”; Bingo! I stumbled on this after watching a Braxman (whom I had never heard of) video on “degoogling your phone” linked at the Corbett Report. ).

    ## https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-launch-program-to-provide-digital-id-with-vaccines [[Saw this last year; basic text on the program; just reread with renewed horror; are they rolling it out now?]]

    ## https://vimeo.com/290438534 “The Spider’s Web: Britain’s Second Empire” [[background; excellent docu; if the Corona Operation is a coordinated op , then I think Gerrish’s hypothesis that control is the City & Brit intelligence is plausible. There is plenty of offshore money to finance; plausible that UK intel gives orders to US intel]]

    ##https://ipfs.io/ipns/QmNqHuSVuufkBKK1LHtoUmKETobZriC1o5uoiXSoLX2i3K/episode-286-rockefeller-medicine/ Corbett Report, Rockefeller Medicine [[background, but kind of circles back to McCullough’s observations regarding the fact that most of the medical profession basically followed implicit or explicit orders not to treat patients who were ill with covid19. That is, connecting two dots, most modern doctors operate in a corporate nexus that can control them, a system advocated and funded by Rock. This failure/refusal to treat created the precondition (putatively no treatment options available) to introduce an untested (or “untested”) “vax” under emergency authorization).

    • 谢谢: idrankwhat, R2b
    • 回复: @Skeptikal
  237. Bazinga 说:

    我看到关于 COVID 的这个主题已经发表了很多文章,它是从哪里来的。 我的论点与罗恩的论点非常不同,我认为罗恩的论点最终不太可能,因为有大量证据反对。 

    我在之前的评论中概述了我的论点,但主要可以概括在我在之前的文章中留下的评论中:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-truth-and-the-whole-truth-on-the-origins-of-covid-19/?showcomments#comment-4655375.

    简而言之,病毒在最初阶段的急剧增长使得在 XNUMX 月初或 XNUMX 月底几乎不可能出现任何形式的存在,中国政府公开的死亡数据表明了这一点。 

    但是,我认为现在最好的证据来自中国本身,政府对 COVID 流行病的起源进行了调查:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/who-were-the-first-coronavirus-cases-china-should-help-solve-the-mystery/2021/05/26/f43d7cc0-be49-11eb-b26e-53663e6be6ff_story.html

    文章写于 26 年 2021 月 XNUMX 日

    《华盛顿邮报》列出了关键证据:

    以下是迄今为止对早期病例的了解:31 年 2019 月 44 日,中国向世卫组织通报了 2020 例不明原因肺炎病例。 到 124 年夏季中国同意与世卫组织进行联合研究时,这些病例的数量已增至 2021 例。 174 年 2019 月的联合报告称,中国记录在 8 年 XNUMX 月确定了 XNUMX 例确诊病例,并且在这是 XNUMX 月 XNUMX 日。

    在此之前还有其他人吗? 76,253 年 233 月 1 日至 10 月 2019 日,中国官员在 92 家卫生保健机构检查了 2 例发烧或呼吸道疾病病例,为世卫组织-中国联合任务做准备。在这大量记录中,他们确定了 92 人可能秋季感染了 SARS-CoV-XNUMX。 然而,经过进一步审查,所有 XNUMX 起案件都被拒绝为新冠肺炎。

    这意味着中国政府已经调查了这个问题,研究了 76 名患者,并发现 *零* 秋季时间范围内冠状病毒的证据。 我认为这是对我的论点的有力重申,即病毒在 XNUMX 月下旬/XNUMX 月初不存在于中国,我认为争论罗恩文章时间的人应该找到该时间段内 COVID 存在的确切数据。 中国政府很有趣地同意了我的论点。 

    现在,公平地说,华盛顿邮报确实列出了南华早报的说法,即该病毒是在 XNUMX 月基于所谓的中国“政府数据”,但该文章还声称中国从 XNUMX 月下旬开始追踪该病毒/ XNUMX 月初,这违背了所有逻辑,因为那时病毒很难追踪,而且政府的知识与政府对 COVID 的反应之间存在延迟。 这也与美国生物武器的论点背道而驰,即中国政府是在 XNUMX 月下旬才得知该病毒的。

    来自 SCMP 文章给感兴趣的人:

    根据《华盛顿邮报》看到的政府数据,一名来自湖北省的 55 岁男子可能是 19 月 17 日第一个感染 Covid-XNUMX 的人。

    从那天起,每天都会报告一到五个新病例。 到 15 月 27 日,感染总数为 17 例——20 月 60 日报告的首次每日两位数增长——到 XNUMX 月 XNUMX 日,确诊病例总数已达到 XNUMX 例。

    当然,《华盛顿邮报》在秋季能找到的关于该病毒的唯一其他“可信”消息是一篇文章,该文章还声称中国政府也能够在做出任何政策回应前几个月就追踪到该病毒。 所以,没有很好的数据来源表明该病毒发生在 XNUMX 月至 XNUMX 月的时间范围内,我认为这对 Unz 的论文是一个有力的打击。 

    如果人们有像世界卫生组织或中国政府这样的官方机构支持的确凿证据,我希望看到它,但华盛顿邮报认为没有任何证据。 否则,我认为 Ron 理论的时间框架是极其不可能的,没有充分的证据支持。

  238. “President Trump’s completely lackadaisical response demonstrated that he himself had absolutely no idea that he was confronting the threat of a dangerous bioweapon, thereby proving his own personal innocence”

    OR- The initial 缺乏回应allow the virus to spread,以及随之而来的 lockdowns were not to protect the 公开, they were to protect the virus, allowing it to survive the summer. – Neither of these scenarios exonerate Trump, they implicate him.

    “we lack serious indications that any lab-leak occurred”

    EXCEPT for the mystery outbreak a short distance from the (freshly shuttered for containment breaches) Ft. Detrick at the Greenspring retirement community in Springfield, and possibly the rash of respiratory disease attributed to e-cigarette users, both of which happened shortly before “COVID” showed up in Italy and China.

    • 同意: idrankwhat
  239. @Desert Fox

    完全同意。
    Getting very tired of all the “who-done-it’ scenarios. I feel as if I am reading a science fiction novel.

    这种虚假的流行病只是被精神病政治家、媒体和医疗恐惧行业武器化的流感+肺炎复合体。

    [更多]

    The “horrible” symptoms are also the same for Flu+pneumonia, but are sensationalized by creative presstitutes to prop up the ‘horrid’ circumstances of what was actually medical malpractise, backed up with threats while promoting the worst behaviours and values within our society to try and ‘police (or cancel) the dissidents’, by emotional blackmail.

    跟着钱。
    如果有人玩股票市场,他们就是问题的一部分。
    It’s just gambling, and I hit the repugnance redline when money is used as a weapon.

    • 回复: @Desert Fox
    , @Stonehands
  240. Skeptikal 说:
    @naill

    “Despite German developed diagnostic kits being available, through WHO, from early January, the CDC wanted to design their own diagnostic kits.’

    I agree with most of your post, but this comment sounds a bit odd to me.
    I do recall the uncertainties around a viable test.
    People were crying out for a reliable test, to relieve fear and establish some sense of reality concerning the actual dangers, both in general and specifically for oneself.

    Instead of getting a decent test (developed by whomever), we got a piece of German Dreck (if by “diagnostic kits” you mean Christian Drosten’s PCR test).

    Unless, that is, the test’s purpose was to inflate the number of “cases” (supposedly ill people) by means of high percentages of false positives. Even in the case of genuine positives, the presence of SARS-CoV-2 viruses or fragments didn’t mean the person was ill.

    The use of these faulty tests was a major driver in cascades of misinformation, propaganda, pointless quarantines, and fear mongering. The harm caused by the deployment of the PCR test casts a shadow over the whole covid response in the USA and elsewhere. (Meanwhile, those who were really ill were told to stay home until they had to be hospitalized. They were not offered treatment to keep them out of hospital.)

    I’m sure people who comment here are well aware that Drosten is the target of legal action by the German atty Reiner Fuellmich.
    The investigative sessions conducted by Fuellmich’s Corona Committee are well worth watching; the English -language site:

    https://corona-ausschuss.de/en/

    Scroll down for individual sessions.

    Regarding Trump’s leaving WHO, was that because he sensed that the WHO was not playing with a full deck but couldn’t figure out what? That it was pushing an unclear agenda? Certainly a heck of a lot of other people thought that who were not DJT.

    I can’t recall the reason(s) Trump gave at the time.

  241. Alden 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    Very true. Thanks. If the government says something is true it is not true.

  242. There seems to be quite strong evidence including issued patents for researchers of the Pasteur Institute, Paris, which points to their responsability in producing this HIV-inserted Covid19, the very institution where the HIV was discovered. It was Montagnier, its discoverer who first accused Wuhan Lab for the “accidental leakage” and demanded the Chinese Government to pay for the damages. Trump took this accusation to forward his own. Interesting, a former student of his at Pasteur, is revealed to be the patents issuance benefactor. See below:

    [更多]

    French prof. Fourtillian with high credentials put into mental hospital, Soviet style, following his statements about the present corona-virus as lab-made and the “vaccines” as destructive:

    http://d.p.h.free.fr/covid19/docs/TRUTH_about_Covid-19_and_Covid-19_Vaccines.pdf

    https://www.tellerreport.com/life/2020-12-11----a-doctor-seen-in-%22hold-up%22-hospitalized-in-psychiatry--it-is-true– .BJNcXdrZ3D.html

    https://vaccineinjurynews.com/2020-12-17-professor-abducted-psych-ward-questioning-covid19-vaccines.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-IYW99zAG0&feature=emb_title
    1:46:40接下来是Motagnier的Fourtillan的采访。

    https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/French-anti-mask-doctor-suspended-for-five-months-as-professor-admitted-to-psychiatric-unit

    https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/coronavirus-traces-found-in-march-2019-sewage-sample-spanish-study-shows
    (关于Fourtillian在评论部分)

  243. Mefobills 说:
    @Iris

    原因很明显:以色列的扩张乃至生存完全取决于美国继续保持世界第一超级大国的地位。

    你的减持忘记了金融网络,它是 globo-homo 或 BIZWOG,正如一些人所称的那样。

    英国,以色列世界政府。 美国是 BIZWOG 中的傀儡。

    金融资本主义于 1694 年与英格兰银行一起出现。它需要多项创新:

    [更多]

    1) 银行分类帐信用分录货币。 这是使用复式分类账的债务货币创造。 (意大利人以前发明了复式输入法。)
    2) 私人股份制公司,例如英属东印度公司(及其在阿姆斯特丹的前身)。 这尤其包括股份制公司,例如私人银行。
    3)关于向“自由市场”出售股票。 (这隐藏了真正的所有者……债券持有人。)
    4) 私人雇佣军,例如英属东印度的军队,被纳入国家机器的一部分(就像在 Raj 时期发生的那样。)
    5)深水海军力量投射,然后执行在海外“英镑”签订的“自由市场”合同。
    6) 说服政府向私人银行公司承担公共债务——因此债务会扩散到纳税人身上。 银行“股票所有者”现在处于对纳税债务人的债权人地位。

    以色列因锡安是“金融国际”的一个项目而应运而生。 国际金融仍然存在,其机构在各种非政府组织、CFR、WEF等运营机构中都可以看到。

    我相信眼尖的 UNZ 读者可以说出更多的名字。

    当赫兹尔允许罗斯柴尔德资助该项目时,犹太复国主义项目在第一次犹太复国主义会议上就注定失败。 赫兹尔实际上希望犹太人变得像他所钦佩和生活在其中的德国人一样。 赫兹尔认为,如果犹太人拥有自己的民族国家,他们就会成为正常人。

    债务蔓延已经转移,以至于普通人没有语言来理解他们所沉浸的现实结构。金融资本有一个上帝,它是Mammon。 法利赛人的宗教是拜金教之一,尤其是在希勒尔下令保护债权人对债务人的权利之后。

    以色列的扩张和生存取决于留在伦敦和华尔街等金融中心的“顶级犹太人”。 犹太复国主义项目很快发生了变化,顶级金融犹太人将留在原地,然后为项目提供资金并通过隐藏的拉动影响政府。

    以色列的扩张和存在还取决于通过自有媒体进行的叙事控制。

    以色列的扩张和存在依赖于创造虚假的宗教,就像英国央行之前几年在阿姆斯特丹印刷圣经时发生的事情一样,尤其是花费巨资印刷并几乎免费分发到英国的阿提亚斯圣经。 (犹太人然后作为上帝的特殊人民返回英国。)

    后来的假宗教表现形式包括犹太教-基督教,犹太人被当作神明的特殊人来崇拜。 Johan Hagee 的部门,如果你需要一个例子。

    高利贷来自金融资本,为这种复杂的国际业务提供资金。

    • 同意: GeeBee
    • 谢谢: Biff
  244. Skeptikal 说:
    @Iris

    “It is one thing that incompetent politicians reacted too slowly, but another to have them unfold a ready-made plan that stopped from using widely-available drugs and forbade early treatment of Covid19 patients. ”

    权利。
    Any discussion, or debate, on the trajectory of covid-19 that does not start with this extraordinary central phenomenon—the failure and even criminalization of early treatment—is nonsensical and beside the point.
    This is truly the smoking gun.
    There is ample evidence of this intentional “failure” or derogation of duty and violation of the Hippocratic oath, but my mentioning such evidence at UR has gotten my comments binned, so I’ll not repeat.

    Why were “Western” policy-makers so dramatically and demonstrably looking toward China’s draconian lockdown measures as a possible “model” for effective response, and not to Africa with its resort to available medications? At best, this looks a tad racist. At worst it looks like something else.
    I was completely mystified by the demonization of ivermectin and HC: I had never heard of HC until Trump mentioned it—but it was easy to establish that it is on the WHO list of essential medications. On hindsight that whole stream of propaganda or whatever you want to call it—the bloviating about whether “the West” should copy China’s lockdown—has a distinctly suspicious smell. Meanwhile, many telephone receivers in doctor’s offices were slammed down when those ill with covid-19 called their doctors asking for help.

    • 同意: idrankwhat
  245. Skeptikal 说:
    @meamjojo

    Untested synthetic-mRNA-laced jabs: Just say no.

    • 同意: idrankwhat, John Wear, AnonFromTN
  246. One-off 说:
    @Wild Man

    There is a Venn Diagram I had not considered, and apparently you have not. There are/were Trump antagonists within the US Security State who also hated China. The overlaps tended to be pro-China/anti-Trump and Pro-Trump/anti-China, but there certainly were some who despised both (CIA director Gina Haspel seemingly is one). So this particular overlap subset would like to take out both China and Trump, and a staged, economy-wrecking virus leak in Wuhan near a research laboratory fills the bill.

    Still, the accidental lab release seems the more plausible explanation given the information we have. The blowback potential risk just seems too great to allow for Ron Unz’ theory. Still, maybe with the information embargo lifted we can find out more details in the near future to see if, for example, the risk did not seem all that great in the moment.

    This story is moving rapidly. Whether it was Wade’s paper or something is about to explode remains to be seen.

    • 回复: @Wild Man
    , @Skeptikal
  247. The latest argument for a Chinese biolab leak is compelling.

    Wuhan is the location of the world’s number one lab for gain of function research for bat coronaviruses.

    Covid-19 looks like a bat coronavirus that has gone through gain of function research. It could have emerged in nature, but that would be astonishing.

    It would be even more astonishing for it to emerge in the one city in the world where such viruses would most likely be artificially created. The bat virus caves are a long way away.

    Were it Americans, I would imagine they’d pick any time except the international military games. Not just for the suspicion, but also because it would greatly increase the probability of international blowback.

    I cannot verify the above points, but I can say that if they are verified by credible experts, I think it is highly probable that the Wuhan lab caused this.

    • 回复: @Harold Smith
  248. FB 说: • 您的网站

    That’s pretty interesting and all sounds entirely plausible.

    这肯定是 100% 正确的:

    债务蔓延已经转移,以至于普通人没有语言来理解他们所沉浸的现实结构。

    我很确定犹太人,如果不是运行整个庞氏金融金字塔,至少占了大部分。

    但我们需要记住,一个文明国家有几个不同的 庄园. These are also ranked by power, with the estate holding the monopoly of state violence at the top. This includes not just the military but also the state security apparatus, which is probably the brains to the military’s muscle.

    我怀疑犹太人在这个阶层中扮演什么角色。 如果我们再假设事情确实是这样安排的,那么这个位于顶端的非犹太人梯队似乎只是 犹太人经营庞氏经济,因为它对所有相关方都运作良好。

    This would be especially true in extracting treasure and ‘tribute’ from the wider world at large, as was the model of the British Empire.

    现在当然,所有美好的事情都必须结束。 似乎这个系统对普通人来说越来越差了。

    如果事情确实是按照这种等级排列的,那么当车轮开始脱落时会发生什么,因为它们最终会脱落?

    • 回复: @anonymous
  249. One-off 说:
    @Iris

    It is one thing that incompetent politicians reacted too slowly, but another to have them unfold a ready-made plan that stopped from using widely-available drugs and forbad early treatment of Covid19 patients.

    This was a rare case where people, including me, were alerted early on that the medical community was at best compliant, and at worst complicit, due to first-hand knowledge of hydroxychloroquine, prescribed to many of us to treat autoimmune disorders precisely because it has so few side effects. Hearing the supposed dangers of the drug echoed throughout the propaganda organs was terrifying because we knew precisely the opposite. How many died because this widely available, low-risk drug was denied to them?

  250. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @Mefobills

    That’s pretty interesting and all sounds entirely plausible.

    这肯定是 100% 正确的:

    债务蔓延已经转移,以至于普通人没有语言来理解他们所沉浸的现实结构。

    我很确定犹太人,如果不是运行整个庞氏金融金字塔,至少占了大部分。

    但我们需要记住,一个文明国家有几个不同的 庄园. These are also ranked by power, with the estate holding the monopoly of state violence at the top. This includes not just the military but also the state security apparatus, which is probably the brains to the military’s muscle.

    我怀疑犹太人在这个阶层中扮演什么角色。 如果我们再假设事情确实是这样安排的,那么这个位于顶端的非犹太人梯队似乎只是 犹太人经营庞氏经济,因为它对所有相关方都运作良好。

    This would be especially true in extracting treasure and ‘tribute’ from the wider world at large, as was the model of the British Empire.

    现在当然,所有美好的事情都必须结束。 似乎这个系统对普通人来说越来越差了。

    如果事情确实是按照这种等级排列的,那么当车轮开始脱落时会发生什么,因为它们最终会脱落?

    • 回复: @Mefobills
  251. Magic Dirt 说:

    Compelling twist at the end. Great summary of the current situation. Very plausible.

  252. Skeptikal 说:
    @Emslander

    I don’t know about “fingerprints,” since supposedly it was the Obama-Biden administration that tried to put the kibosh on GoF research in the USA, which meant also Fauci’s research.

    But Dr. Peter Breggin pointed out very early on—I think it was just after the election, when Biden confirmed that he would leave Fauci in place as head of the U.S. covid effort etc.—that now we had two people collaborating who were both highly compromised in their relationships with the Chinese govt. and the CCP.

    • 谢谢: Emslander
  253. Seraphim 说:

    It was said that the extraordinary measures taken by the Chinese suggested that they figured out immediately that it was a bio-attack. They took seriously the ”conspiracy theory” launched in March 2020 by George Webb. It is impossible to think that they did not know of Fort Detrick Lab closure, Maatje Benassi and all that. They always asked for investigating Fort Detrick.

  254. How long until it’s safe to admit that maybe Hunter really was collecting bribe money?

  255. Skeptikal 说:
    @Skeptikal

    Sorry, typo:

    That is supposed to be “data and identity.”

  256. Wild Man 说:
    @One-off

    Yes, I agree that is one of the possibilities (psychopathic deep-state actors embedded in American power structures serving the anti-American interests of the gloabist cabal).

    On a previous comment thread (for a previous Ron Unz article about covid source), I outlined 6 possibilities (as follows), and in my comment that you were responding to above, I added a possibility #7 (added to the list as follows):

    1) An accidental lab leak from somewhere, or

    2) An accidental lab leak from Wuhan (WIV), or

    3) As executed by way of a rogue element from within the western (but anti-American) globalist camp that the globalists-proper decided to forgive on anyways, or

    4) Whether this is the intentional doing of the CCP, or

    5) Whether this is via a rogue element within the CCP apparatus, that the CCP hierarchy decided to forgive anyways, or, alternatively purged the transgressors (except China is opaque and so we can never be sure about ‘disappearances’ and such), or

    6) Whether the anti-true-west, but western globalist cabal have planned the whole thing right from the very beginning (summer 2019 let’s say), and just stayed mum until the end of April/20, so as not to sow suspicion that might arise if people started to see they come together into official opinion well before any one would believe they could have their facts straight yet. And as well, … in this case wouldn’t they be watching first, how well the whole thing worked, before taking their further steps?

    7) Whether the western (but anti-true-western in ideology) supranational globalist cabal, and the CCP, are working in conjunction on this covid fiasco (it is clear what the western globalist cabal would get out of such arrangement … ongoing usurpation and accrual of more centralization of their decision-making power ….. maybe the CCP gets something out of this too? ….. perhaps behind-the-scenes coordination with the western globalist cabal with respect to ongoing developments of technologies and methods for population mind-control)? Perhaps the overall lying covid narrative for the western globalist cabal, and for western Covid Officialdom, and for the CCP …. is about setting up the conditions whereby the CCP and said cabal can better work together on liberty-crushing methods and technologies. Under said scenario, I suppose the 2 geopolitical parties (the CCP and the western globalist cabal) fully realize that they may be vying for the same prize (global population control) ….. but agree to work with each other anyways, in the medium-term, because …… ultimately …. how can any geopolitical party that may be seeking ultimate global population control, think they could achieve that goal, if there were still geopolitical jurisdictions available that freedom-lovers may potentially escape to?

    I am not particularly advocating for any one of the 7 (now ) possibilities, so far mentioned, but, as I said, at this juncture, I think #7 is more-so growing in likeliness the longer the covid-who-dunnit hot potatoe is just kicked around geopolitically, which by way of Biden’s comments, looks to be about 90 days longer, which seems to me to be his admin just buying time, which I think means it is likely that they are gonna try to find a way to sweep it all under the rug again, come September, when the 90 days is more than up. Or maybe figure a frame-up of Trump around whatever narrative they spin in September, so as to go for a two-fer. In that eventuality, perhaps both the Trump-frame-up and the deflection around covid-source could be had by way of a narrative that would feature a slow-motion vaxx-partial-catastrophe, to be blamed on Trump’s project warp-speed, paired with moral-immunity for the vaxx makers, by way of bad source code they had to work with (a gain-of-function monster created in a lab, somewhere, anywhere really, that rogues in Trump’s admin were behind … which he is therefore ultimately responsible for). Who knows? The dramatic scenarios one could spin for each and every one of the 7 above-mentioned possibilities, are almost endless when you really think about it.

    Maybe people can think of some more such non-natural-origin possibilities that I may have overlooked, besides the 7 mentioned here.

  257. Anonymous[234]• 免责声明 说:
    @utu

    Deigin is a kook. The furin site is not strange at all. And WIV folks, sequencing their samples from 2015, show how it can easily happen: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.21.445091v1

  258. If US agents are responsible for this, and that is plausible as presented here, then it is horrible beyond words.

    OTOH, I can’t help but shake my head over the confirmation of a suspicious DoD report, about an outbreak they probably couldn’t have known about, by Israeli television. Years and years of financial support and allegiance to our so called greatest ally in the ME and this is what we get?

    Israelis are the ticks on the tail that wags the American dog.

  259. Skeptikal 说:
    @Ron Unz

    ” As far as I can tell, the virus is dangerous for people in their 40s, but vastly more dangerous for people in their sixties or seventies.”

    On what evidence is “as far as I can tell . . . people in their forties” based?

    Why don’t you check in with a practicing physician, such as Dr. Peter McCullough, to get solid information from someone actually treating patients?

    He can set you straight so that you don’t promulgate misinformation.

    Statistically this group is at very small risk of hospitalization and death from covid-19. A few people in their forties or younger, if they have certain comorbidities, are at risk from covid-19. However, the risks are considerably lowered with effective early treatment. Per Dr. McCullough and others, 85% of those who died would have been saved if they had received effective multi-pronged early treatment: for the virus itself, for the inflammation, and for the exaggerated immune response. Early treatment also reduces to nil the “long haul” phenomenon, per Dr. McC.

    People in their forties are in more danger from the jabs than from covid-19.

  260. Anonymous[234]• 免责声明 说:
    @Humbert Humbert

    In fact, the COVID19 viral load that will infect a healthy adult, on average, is still not established, AFAIK.

    Claims of ~10,000 virions minimally needed have been around for a long time. A recent and fairly convincing paper concurs: https://elifesciences.org/articles/63537

    Which explains why infections through fomites or outdoors are very rare.

  261. One-off 说:
    @Wild Man

    Thanks. Your sixth scenario easily could become a hybrid along with one of your other (for now) hypotheticals. Based on what we know at the moment, I lean toward an accidental WIV release that was exploited to attain the economic policy goals of the anti-Western Western AGW crowd, so a sort of 2/6 blend. Something surely is popping, and it seems unlikely it was the Wade paper standing alone that has forced the sudden rolling disclosure.

    • 回复: @Wild Man
  262. Mefobills 说:
    @FB

    我很确定犹太人,如果不是运行整个庞氏金融金字塔,至少占了大部分。

    有类似类型的“合并”。 犹太人是矛尖,但不是全矛。 有大量的mammonites,特别是在犹太教-基督徒中,因为需要一种覆盖的意识形态。

    [更多]

    但是我们需要记住,一个文明国家有几个不同的等级。 这些也是按权力排列的,最高的是垄断国家暴力的阶层。 这不仅包括军队,还包括国家安全机构,这可能是军队肌肉的大脑。

    是的当然。 总是有等级制度。 问题是层次结构是如何组织的。

    我怀疑犹太人在这个阶层中扮演什么角色。

    犹太人在篡夺“遗产”从而使事情有利于他们的进化生存机制方面发挥了重要作用。

    这些机制在货币史上是显而易见的,但没有被教授。

    这是一个粗略的时间表:

    自史前城邦时代(例如苏美尔和巴比伦)以来,灰原商队就经营东西方贸易。 庙会为商人开辟了特殊的地位,特别是为了将他的财富保持在金价中。

    商队利用黄金(印度丰富)和白银(西方相对丰富)之间的秘密汇率差异高利贷。

    大约在 1492 年伊莎贝拉将犹太人驱逐出西班牙时,历史加速发展。西班牙裔犹太人前往葡萄牙。

    Vasco de-gama 于 1497 年发现了南部路线。陆上商队路线被打破,并转为海上力量。 葡萄牙人随后在阿姆斯特丹卸下香料和贵金属。

    犹太人随后从葡萄牙涌向阿姆斯特丹,尤其是在反迫害禁令颁布后。

    寄生虫现在已经依附于两个海权国家,葡萄牙和荷兰。 在过去的几个世纪里,希腊和西班牙被用作海盗、奴隶制以及贵金属和香料运输的傀儡。

    在阿姆斯特丹,现代股票市场程序是由大约 700 名未经许可的西班牙裔犹太人发明的。 Gets、Puts、远期合约等用于收获荷兰人口。 阿姆斯特丹国家银行应运而生,它是一家存款银行(不是创造信贷),其目标是绕过来自股票市场资本的犹太货币力量,以及他们在贸易路线上的高利贷。

    跳到英国的计划是在阿姆斯特丹的犹太人,尤其是 Menasseh Ben Israel 1604-1657 的脑海中孵化出来的。

    英格兰是另一个“海上强国”,是我们(((朋友们)))在黎凡特时期学到的东西的重述,当时希腊是一个海上强国。 犹太人在地中海周围的转口港建立。 如果你想转移盗版商品或奴隶,那么这种贸易是由部落居民进行的。

    在我的一些评论历史中记录了对英格兰国王制度的缓慢篡夺,尤其是附有日期和事件的 GeeBee。 商业和金融之都在王位上建立并改变。

    我怀疑犹太人在其中扮演了多大的角色? 在这一点上你可以证明是错误的,并且像大多数人一样,可能不知道最近的货币历史,在那里犹太人是高利贷资助的篡夺然后自我膨胀的主要推动者。 你怎么能知道,因为历史被故意掩盖,然后创造一个虚假的叙述。

    • 同意: GeeBee
  263. 与其将“斯大林式”作为对新冠病毒起源的各种长达一年的新闻和互联网审查的形容词,不如将其称为“威尔逊式”审查制度,与威尔逊总统阻止有关 1918 年“西班牙”流感起源的报道相一致。 ,这将更恰当地称为美国流感(或堪萨斯流感,因为它始于堪萨斯州的赖利堡,当时军队正为第一次世界大战部署到欧洲做好准备)。 或者它可以被称为“林肯式”,因为林肯以暂停第一修正案的新闻自由以帮助起诉内战而闻名。 斯大林做了什么或没做什么,都笼罩在冷战小说中。

    • 谢谢: Ace
  264. Anon[298]• 免责声明 说:
    @Ace

    Hydrocloroquine as an effective treatment was first reported by French doctors , a least in the US media. The US is anti French. Was there not some bru ha ha about who first discovered the HIV virus; an American or a French scientist? Trump being innocent and not knee jerk anti French, had no problem with promoting it. He was attacked for not getting with the anti french program .

    • 同意: Emslander
    • 回复: @Ace
    , @Erebus
  265. theMann 说:
    @The Real World

    Because I tried to sue the local hospital for “delaying” surgery for over a year now, and again when refused a procedure for refusing a Covid (scam) test, and can’t find a lawyer to touch them. A couple of the local Tort Lawyers did helpfully inform me about the “conflict of interest” thing though. One even recommended a guy in Amarillo. Shucks, I’d go 300 miles to hire a lawyer.

  266. Voltara 说:
    @Bragadocious

    You don’t think Israel and the US have a few operatives hanging about the Iranian parliament?

    • 回复: @Bragadocious
  267. Ron Unz 说:
    @Bazinga

    I outline my argument in my prior comments, but mostly can be encapsulated in this comment I left on a prior article…So, there is no good data source that the virus was in the October-November timeframe, which I think is a powerful blow to Unz’s thesis.

    实际上,武汉零号病人的XNUMX月下旬/XNUMX月上旬日期是几乎所有人都接受的标准叙述的一部分,与我自己的理论无关。

    As we discussed in that previous thread, I don’t buy your arguments at all, but if you’re correct, you’ve essentially proven my biowarfare attack scenario.

    That’s because you (very doubtfully) claim that Patient Zero probably became infected in early December. But as I’ve repeatedly emphasized in this and other articles, the secret DIA report describing the “cataclysmic” disease outbreak in Wuhan was produced “in the second week of November.”

    So under your scenario, our DIA described the Wuhan outbreak almost a month before Patient Zero was infected. Amazing precognition…

    • 回复: @Bazinga
  268. @Ron Unz

    But Ron, by YOUR logic, wouldn’t China WANT to release Dr. Shi’s lab notes IF those notes, either directly or indirectly, pointed to Ft. Detrick as the source?

    If they truly were not doing gain of function research that produced Covid, don’t they have every motivation to release such exculpatory information? And we’re not talking about “The World Health Organization said so.” “Corruption” is an understatement when it comes to the WHO–I have it on good authority that President Xi gets fellated by Tedros Ghebreyesus during every meeting.

    Right now, China’s accusations that this is the USA’s fault are just hot air. Like you, they need to provide proof. I am not holding my breath.

    Look, your theory, compelling as it sounds, remains a theory and, alas, likely not a falsifiable one. If Hollywood actually made good movies, your narrative could be quickly morphed into a screenplay with an all-star cast (though everybody would have to be White, so I guess nix that).

    Here’s the problem with conspiracies. First, key people have to get together and, you know, CONSPIRE, because what they want to do is something no sensible person would countenance and if they got caught…well, the consequences would not be good.

    They have to plan…figure out methods to employ…figure out what success would look like, and provide foolproof cover for all the actors, however minor. And the actors need motivation–taking orders, frankly, would be insufficient. And they would have to be oblivious to unintended consequences, or Dr. No like in their malevolence…nothing in between.

    Something like this requires a level of commitment that is highly unlikely to be found.

    Then they would have to execute the plan without a hitch and with not a single specific actual instance or action that would implicate them.

    And THEN everyone would have to keep totally quiet not just for a few months, but for years, decades even.

    It’s a very very tall order.

    There this guy, William of Occam, who was on to something. The simplest explanation is that SOMEBODY — Dr. Shi, or Dr. Wang, or Dr. Li, or the guy who sweeps up at the end of the day, whose common name ALSO has no more than 4 letters — forgot to close the door at the Wuhan Virology Institute’s Level 4 lab at 5:30 one day, and it was truly Katy Bar the Door thereafter.

    One is hardly ever wrong when assuming stupidity, rather than dastardly intent.

    Oh, one last thing. I hope you’re right, because it would be effin’ amazing!! But it’s +four figures at the Sunny Philadelphia betting parlor that the answer is paradoxically both shocking AND boring

    • 回复: @Wild Man
  269. Wild Man 说:
    @One-off

    Interesting. I dunno …. the thing about hybrid 2/6 blend is …..if the agenda IS the vaxx (more precisely … if the agenda IS the toxic spike protein that the vaxx programs one’s body to produce …. and all the vaxxes do just that) ….. and the toxicity of the spike protein is contingent on the virus strain source, …. then one would assume the perpetrators were in control of the virus strain source …. so is that really a leak then? More like an intentional act – right?

    Like another commenter said a bit ago on this thread ….. the disastrous clinical actions taken contrary to what would otherwise normally be expected (a concerted and enforced irrational do-nothing-but-wait-for-the-vaxx approach is not normal and was not expected) …. is the central issue and the central smoking gun. But what a confounding fact to absorb – eh? It appears malice was involved. Malice committed to ensure the fruition of the vaxx program? Should we really expect anything other than a malicious action to follow said previous malicious action?

    There is some discussion occuring over the past few weeks now with regards to the apparent ability of the spike protein, all by itself, to spark vascular trauma in a whole host of organs. The way this whole nightmare has been unfolding ….. I suspect that we will slowly find out, that these recent such reports ….. are not quackary, but will have been vindicated.

    I don’t like to see it this way. But that’s what it is shaping up to look like nevertheless. Thus ….. I think Trump is going to be crucified. I think the populace is about to be booted in the face even harder than what has occurred over the past 15 month. It’s all a set-up. For the early fall/21. We should try to enjoy the probable coming short summer respite (unless Antifa and BLM break the peace all over again).

    One way of thinking about this. Could a Pelosi be capable of this level of malice? I would say – yes. And there are even more vicious cutthroats than Pelosi that frequent the halls of the west’s power structures.

    • 同意: Ace
    • 回复: @Ben the Layabout
  270. Bolteric 说:
    @utu

    可能,但太多的皱纹使它看起来很合理。 罗恩的理论很简单,而且更有可能

    • 回复: @One-off
  271. @Triteleia Laxa

    The latest argument for a Chinese biolab leak is compelling.

    No it isn’t. No 中国做到了 “argument” can be “compelling” until there is some kind of
    investigation into the apparent early cases of Covid-19 in the U.S. And the U.S. “government” apparently doesn’t want to go there.

    For example, was the outbreak of a “mysterious respiratory illness” at the Greenspring Retirement Community in Springfeld, VA in June and July of 2019 caused by SARS-CoV-2, or was it caused by a different pathogen? Until the U.S. government comes clean about this, the U.S. “government” has no credibility and no standing to blame China.

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
    , @AnonFromTN
  272. idrankwhat 说:
    @One-off

    This is what made me realize that the aim was to maximize deaths and vaccinations, possibly for depopulation, possibly to force people into a technology-enforced serfdom.

  273. @Ron Unz

    Sounds about right. There is a cosmic law about wishing and doing evil unto others, and it coming back thrice as strong. Bill Gates and his divorce, the US (maybe specifically the deep state, but also us, alas) and COVID & Empire…for all things, there is a price.

    I’m real excited for the history books on this one, hindsight on wild conspiracies and duplicitous, destructive corruption is always a good read.

    Living through them is even more exciting.

  274. Yee 说:

    匿名[234],

    “Claims of ~10,000 virions minimally needed have been around for a long time. A recent and fairly convincing paper concurs:”

    I wonder, how many virions did the researchers in Wuhan lab need on their plate to work on, assuming they’re still working on the project they’ve done in 2015.

    More than 10,000 a time to leak to the public? I was told that the virus can’t multiply until it reaches human or animal. So it must be leaked at high dose.

  275. Tor597 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Definitely Bannon.

    The thing with Pompeo and other beaurocrats in the Trump circle is that they are all conventional beaurocrats.

    They want conventional attacks like tariffs, supplying Taiwan with weapons, color revolutions, etc.

    To release a bioweapon like this requires an unconventional mind and this points to Bannon.

    Bannon was the one who after all pointed out that if we were going to war with China we had to do it sooner rather than later. And while I do believe Bannon had the means to launch a secret opp to release a bioweapon.

    I don’t think he had the clout to push for conventional war.

  276. Tor597 说:
    @HBM

    Dr Lieber has terminal cancer so he will likely die soon. Awfully convenient that this important link will be tied up soon.

  277. kratic 说:

    It is always refreshing to read Ron’s articles with interesting information and perspectives. I feel your conversations with Kevin did not address any new insight however, confirmed old that had been questioned by professional and many conspiracy theorist. I am really at loss of word to see people dont use the basic thinking to figure out simple things.

    [更多]

    1. Face mask capability to capture particulate less than 40 micron. It can not and wont capture virus of 1 micron size. I did not see much debate on the subject. Instead, there was debate about the effectiveness, if it is good to control Corona Virus.. People are eager to write page after page without paying attention to basic question how this N-95 blue mask can catch 1 micron size when it is designed for 40 or more micron. I remember, Fauci was talking about 3 layers of masks at one time.

    2. The debate was turned into politics. For instance, did anyone bothered to ask where the doctors came up with 6 feet distancing? Like Walter lippman used to say that people will follow like a heard of sheep their leader or designated leaders or self proclaimed leaders leaders like Fauci and media writers. The distancing is supposed to be based on dispersion modeling that is beyond the comprehension of medical or CDC people. I did not see anything debate on distancing. Now after the event (for example rain) everyone (like frogs) is coming out to bisect and disect. No Debate at all.

    3. Effectiveness of PCR or other test. There were more than 150 test, however, not approved by CDC and were used. Chinese companies made some good money on those kits in the 3rd world countries.

    4. Vaccination debate still going on. Biden and other fools were wearing those Gucci designed masks just to show how effective the vaccine were. It took Tucker Carlson to point out.

    5. Scare mongering. People falling like leaves from the sky. What happened to those Chinese videos where some people fell down and die instantaneously

    6. My favorite is that when or before the house is burned, no one pays any attention that there is gasoline around the house and the house will catch fire. However, after the the frogs will come out and give their opinion why it was burned down, who was guy, if he mentally ill. all kind of juicy BS that lonely people would love to read.

    7. Old medical magazine have all kind of information that was not discussed during the paranoia but now the frogs are coming out to write and out smarting each other that found more information and credible information.

    Why Americans dont take some time to think and listen to their Grandmothers.

  278. GeeBee 说:
    @Mefobills

    说得好——但你让我有了“BIZWOG”! 这代表什么鬼?

    • 回复: @John Fisher
  279. @Old Brown Fool

    The latest Indian variant is proving really deadly…

    And yet, once they start using Ivermectin instead of the Corona Chan “vaccines”, people seem to stop dying and everyone gets better…

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/05/number_of_covid_cases_in_delhi_crashes_after_mass_distribution_of_ivermectin.html

    Given that all the Western Corona Chan “vaccines” inject the deadly Corona Chan “spike protein” into the target (or even make the target’s body manufacture the “spike protein”, with no “off switch”) and that symptoms of Corona Chan “spike protein” poisoning are indistinguishable from a Corona Chan infection, one may speculate that (if India is actually using any of the Western Corona Chan “vaccines”) the jump in Indian mortality is due to the “vaccines”, and not some deadly new Corona Chan “variant”.

    That’s why practically every country that has rolled out Corona Chan “vaccines” in any significant numbers has experienced an immediate explosion of “Corona Chan cases” and accompanying mortality. Just look at Cambodia – pre-“vaccine”, zero deaths; post-“vaccine”, an immediate explosion in “Corona Chan cases” and deaths.

    So here’s a theory – they’re not new Corona Chan “variants”, they’re not “breakthrough infections”, they’re not even “infections”. These people are being poisoned by the “spike protein” from the Corona Chan “vaccines”.

    • 同意: Old Brown Fool
  280. Tor597 说:

    @罗恩·恩兹(Ron Unz)

    It seems like the Chinese diplomat Zhao Lijian first read about the Ft. Detrick lab leak possibility from the globalresearch.ca 网站。

    You may want to contact them for syndication of your articles for a wider readership and maybe higher up people will see it.

  281. @Wild Man

    The whole thing is a bio-warfare attack gone wrong, now converted into a frenzied campaign of hate and fear-inspired lying, to set the scene for war on China. The lunatics seem actually to think that China is simply a bigger Iraq. I cannot think of actions more thoroughly ‘Western’ in their racism, hatred and xenophobia.

    • 回复: @Wild Man
  282. @One-off

    Not only did they lie about the ‘dangers’ of HCQ, they rigged WHO ‘research’ by giving truly huge doses to patients near death, when HCQ is for early use, before sero-conversion to CoViD19 disease, but the Lancet and NEJM also published the clearly fraudulent Surgisphere report, before being forced to repudiate it. A scandal that NO Western fakestream media vermin that I know of even reported had happened.
    Ivermectin is even more effective and safer, with, possibly, six deaths from 3.7 BILLION doses over many years. But both have been ruthlessly suppressed, causing untold numbers of unnecessary deaths and huge economic damage, because they are cheap, and because an Emergency Use Authorisation for the gene therapy injections aka ‘vaccines’, cannot be obtained in the USA if medicines for the disease are available.

  283. @Herald

    If the USA attacked China from the South China Sea, their battle groups would be sunk in minutes. The USA will attack from Guam, Okinawa, Japan, South Korea, particularly Jeju Island, and Australia, Those places will be sacrificed to the Holy Cause of Eternal White, Western, Judeo-Christian Rule over humanity. Of course, if it goes thermo-nuclear then we’ll all be dead.

  284. Tor597 说:

    Another coincidence I remember was the Chinese diplomat suddenly dying in Isreal during the early stages of the pandemic. Wonder if he was offed because he knew too much.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-52696833

  285. Bruno 说:

    有几点似乎削弱了你的假设:

    1)300名军人很炫,暗影操作员可以轻松完成释放工作

    2)为什么中国反应这么快? 为什么不释放病毒,因为您已经准备好了补救措施? 即使按照鲁莽的新保守主义者和超级聪明的中国人的标准,这似乎也很奇怪。

    3) 现在,认为对经济造成如此大破坏的不是病毒本身,而是对病毒的反应,这似乎不那么“边缘化”了。 像瑞典这样没有采取任何行动的国家并没有受到那么严重的打击(如果其他国家也这样做,那就会受到更少的打击,那就是在通知民众的同时统治潮流)。 还有一项禁止使用大环内酯类药物的禁令——现在正在使用——这本可以防止医院拥挤。 大部分损害似乎更多地在于对病毒的反应,而不是病毒本身

    4) 中国是零冠状病毒战略的宣传者,该战略对西方世界经济而言极其昂贵且具有破坏性,因为即使没有人——除了新西兰和澳大利亚——实施它,它也是推动各地“储物柜”政策的参考模型。

    顺便说一句,我没有替代假设……四个中的一个必须是正确的(偶然的自然/偶然的人工/犯罪美国或中国)。

  286. @SafeNow

    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2021-05-27/The-U-S-latest-COVID-19-lab-leak-theory-push-is-a-distraction-10BEKHuT9U4/index.html

    “As I was saying Gomez–Amtrak Joe is brilliant. He needs this Covid in a lab story to partner with Mike Pompeo in Iowa to unite against China and partner with Russia. ” and with this–“Thing” ran over the piano keys and I couldn’t hear what Poroshenko was talking about over the phone…..the big punch line—

  287. thotmonger 说:
    @Bazinga

    I am a real groupie behind many of Ron’s 美国真理报 series. But this sub set of essays on CV19 being a Neocon biowarfare booboo just leaves me cold unpersuaded. True, it is feasible. And I am almost hair trigger ready to blame Neocons for more war crimes. But I am also fond of actual — read strong — evidence. And these essays do not seem to amount to much.

    Because, really, after a year there should be a recruitment of experts along with more evidence rather than just retreads of what is largely… conjecture. For example, regarding:

    1. 中国动物疫病暴发。 动物会生病,尤其是当你把它们关在笼子里并对它们不好的时候。 为什么不请一些来自加州大学戴维斯分校或其他地方的动物科学专家来证实这些是袭击事件的怀疑呢?
    2. 中国爆发的时间。 在新年假期前三个月而不是一个月或六个月有什么真正的统计意义? (你怎么评价?)
    3.参加世界军人运动会的300名美军人员。 所以呢? 这是温泉关吗? 我同意 Bazinga 的观点,即只需要很少的代理就可以进行生物滴。
    4. The Characteristics of CV19 being “perfectly designed” as a weapon. Really? Only thanks to the MSM, and not otherwise. Because without the relentless MSM fear hype, populations around the world could have marched right through this whopping <1%CFR largely unscathed. Or am I wrong?
    5. 博主们非常迅速地指责中国将其泄露出去。 也许是这样,但是这与 Facebook 等的大规模审查有什么关系呢?我的意思是,在 9-11 大屠杀之后,埃胡德·巴拉克 (Ehud Barak*) 非常迅速地指责奥萨马·本·拉登 (Osama Bin Laden),但随后 该消息的首要地位 从未停止。
    6. DIA 早在 2019 年 XNUMX 月就爆发警告。好的。 请他们发表评论。 请韦德解决这个问题。 喜欢>>跟进<<并为此添加一些肉。
    7.伊朗精英中的早期爆发。 好的。 他们对此有何看法? 同样需要更好地证实这一点。

    我完全赞成模式识别,尤其是它与揭露巨大的犯罪和罪犯有关。 但是,迄今为止呈现的这些点集并不构成一个令人信服的星座。 点太少,太模糊,几乎没有真正的联系。 与此同时,武汉实验室究竟发生了什么? 没有冠状病毒研究? 这不是兰德保罗和其他人一直在说的。

    * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tbxYWKtYWM

  288. @Mefobills

    @FB 已经对你这一行强大的洞察力给予了适当的赞扬:

    [更多]

    债务蔓延已经转移,以至于普通人没有语言来理解他们所沉浸的现实结构。

    This is the part those who know God Incarnate Jesus, which needs to be the whole world, need to come to recognize – the Judaism of today is not the Torah / Old Testament:

    金融资本有神,就是财神。 法利赛人的宗教是拜金教之一,尤其是在希勒尔下令保护债权人对债务人的权利之后。

    迈克尔·哈德森 (Michael Hudson) 在第他的书 9 年的 2018 本书 ......并免除他们的债务
    which you have consistently recommended which is greatly appreciated as are all your insights here. He refers to The Pharisee religion as “rabbinical Judaism”.

    Todays Judaism is pure ethnic self worship which is instinctive to Jews anyway whether “religious” or not. The Jew sees himself and his tribesmen as supreme and entitled to dominion over the beasts which comprise the rest of what appears to the rest of us as humanity.

    如果犹太人没有在上帝的神圣儿子再次出现之前在道成肉身的耶稣面前谦卑自己,那对犹太人来说将是多么粗鲁的永久觉醒。

    • 回复: @Kapyong
  289. Bruno 说:

    您最重要的假设是您理所当然地认为这都是病毒,而不是围绕病毒的宣传:

    [更多]

    – 插管是灾难性的,从 Sars2 开始就已经知道
    – 测试没有帮助
    – 死亡率为 0,5% 的老人和病人,这本身不应该使经济瘫痪
    – 人们没有接受过单片类药物治疗,现在和以前的 SARS 爆发中都有

    如果以这些标准衡量行动,特朗普想要让人们冷静下来的反应是愚蠢的。

    此外,叙事的转变不可能是一两个记者的结果。 在宣传黑人犯罪统计数据与系统性种族主义方面,他不会比其他人更成功。 这是一种宣传转变。 也许是模仿。 歇斯底里。 反特朗普机会主义。 但信息方面可能至关重要。

  290. @Humbert Humbert

    But a virus sample infecting someone is only one of the alternative scenarios, and, as you correctly points out, an improbable one. It’s reasonable to assume that they have live animals inside those labs, on which they perform experiments, or from which they collect viruses. One of those animals could have infected a person in the lab. Other hypotheses for how a lab leak might occur are through an escaped animal and through waste disposal.

    I am no longer an enthusiast of the lab leak hypothesis, and am merely outlining those scenarios for the sake of being thorough. On comment #184 I provide a link to an article in virological.org that argues against the lab leak hypothesis with apparently solid arguments.

    It’s not exactly an inexplicable mystery that no one has found how that natural spillover has occurred. That article in virological.org lays out a few possible scenarios. I would add to that the hypothesis that, if an animal was found which could have provided the clue to that mystery, China may have simply made it disappear.

    China seems to loudly dismiss the lab leak hypothesis while more quietly denying also the natural spillover one. A lab leak would probably be worse for them in terms of demands for accountability, but a natural spillover would still be a liability, because they were repeatedly warned about taking preventive action against this kind of event and did not act accordingly. So, instead, they are going for total exculpation by blaming frozen imported meat, a total nonsense, and spreading even more nonsensical conspiratorial hypotheses about lab leaks in other countries.

  291. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    It was quite obvious from early on that this would be used as a casus belli for aggressive war against China… Talk of war with China, a sure and certain recipe for national destruction, is reverberating on the hard Right, ie the ruling regime and its flunkies, and the ‘Opposition’ barely dissents.

    The bipartisan aggression by the Australian political class toward China, throwing Australian sovereign interests and Australian prosperity for generations to come under the bus, confirms Australia’s status as a lowly lickspittle underdog groveling for full Team America ® status.

    It goes without saying, of course, that the sky-high salaries, benefits and lucrative pensions of Australian politicians are in no way threatened by their wilful destruction of the Australian economy. They’re a class apart from the common folk.

    Indeed some of its ‘females’ are among the most rabid anti-Chinese racists.

    Don’t get me started. Apparently displays of ball-busting testosterone are a prerequisite for advancement of the fair gender within the elevated heights of the Australian political class.

    Mind you, I use the term “fair gender” advisedly when speaking of psycopathic bull-dyke Foreign Minister Maurisa Payne.

    [更多]

    We are pretty well rooted, I would say.

    I’m gradually coming around to a contrary view. Our politicians like to talk tough, under the delusion that the Australian Armed Forces are invincible with pure hearts and God on their side.

    Seems the idiots in uniform want to believe that too.

    The rampage of blood-thirsty child-killers across Afghanistan put paid any myth of courage or honour or even military prowess, though you’ll get a hysterically righteous tantrum from PM Morrison if you dare to draw attention to these facts.

    I say, if the Australian establishment is so keen to clash swords with China, let them have at it.

    Nothing like having your unilaterally aggressive armed forces getting their butts kicked from the shores of China all the way back to Australia and beyond to drive home a long-overdue reality check.

    And that would be an excellent reality check, because after that Australia would have no navy, no air force and a stone age army shitting themselves while they scramble to find any bush or rock they can hide behind.

    I wonder how much support our overtly militant government would be able to find amongst the Australian citizenry after them apples?

  292. @One-off

    How many died because this widely available, low-risk drug was denied to them?

    Using Dr. Peter McCullough’s estimate, 85-90% of all Corona Chan deaths could have been averted if safe and effective remedies such as Hydroxychloroquine weren’t deliberately blocked by governments and the medical establishment.

    [更多]

    Peter McCullough 博士就 Corona Chan“疫苗”发表讲话

    短版(16 分钟)
    (https://rumble.com/embed/vf328h/ ]
    (https://rumble.com/vhp8e1-massive-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html ]

    完整版(1 小时 45 分钟)
    (https://rumble.com/embed/vf31sl/ ]
    (https://rumble.com/vhp7y5-full-interview-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html ]

    Dr. Peter McCullough interviewed on Corona Chan & “vaccines” (32 minutes)

    (https://rumble.com/embed/vdk769/ ]
    (https://rumble.com/vg6dcd-peter-mccullough-interview.html ]

    The parallel consideration to the question of deaths caused by denial of medical treatment for Corona Chan, is how many people died as a result of the unnecessary lockdowns and other totalitarian measures?

    In these numbers we can count deaths due to denial of medical services and treatments for non-Corona Chan ailments such as heart disease, cancer, strokes, organ transplants,etc etc.

    We can also include those who died from domestic and other violence, self-harm or outright suicides.

    The official Australian Corona Chan death toll is a little under 1,000 people, although most of these people died “with” Corona Chan while suffering other more serious comorbidities. The true number of Australians actually killed outright by Corona Chan is probably in the low hundreds, maybe even less than 100.

    Meanwhile, over 500 Australians are known to have committed suicide as a direct result of the governments’ policy responses to the Corona Chan “pandemic”. The total number of Australians who have now died from all causes arising from the policy responses to Corona Chan is likely in the thousands, and possibly hundreds of times as many as those who have been killed by the Corona Chan bug – and remember, 85-90% of Corona Chan victims could have been saved if safe and effective medicines hadn’t been blocked by the government.

    And we haven’t even considered the deaths from the Corona Chan “vaccines”, those already past and those yet to come. Of course, those deaths will be attributed to “breakthrough infections” from naughty Corona Chan “variants”.

    I’m looking forward very very much to the day when all those government ministers, public servants, and corporate, medical and media officials responsible for this insanity are tarred, feathered and strung up from lamp posts, across Australia and around the world.

    A fellow can dream.

    • 谢谢: Skeptikal
    • 回复: @sb
  293. @mapman

    https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-10/China-s-Ministry-of-Foreign-Affairs-publishes-article-on-COVID-19--QmtGtiHFTy/index.html

    These are some good questions and answers——it pays to read what the Mainline Murdoch and Tumer miss —along with ABC NBS CBS PBS and mainline pressitude—

  294. Anastasia 说:

    The fact that the media and government are now embracing the lab leak story is an excellent reason for not believing it.

    Their labeling it “conspiracy theory” then, and a legitimate story now were both based upon the same factual fundament, known then and known now.

    The author says, “the virus killed millions”. One could easily argue that the virus did not kill millions, but the measures killed many and certainly killed the economy of most western nations. As a matter of fact, one could show with good evidence that the Executive Orders of the various states (all were the same), and the directives of federal health care agencies were all designed to kill people.

    • 同意: Vojkan
    • 回复: @Refl
  295. @Harold Smith

    A bat coronavirus, that’s undergone gain of function work, originating in the city which hosts the lab that is the most prolific conductor of gain of function research on bat coronaviruses, seems pretty compelling to me.

    • 回复: @Iris
    , @Harold Smith
  296. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I wonder if that doesn’t say more about you and your state of mind than the reality. Apart from some vague references to Murdoch you have given little indication for the source of your beliefs about Australians, especially the political class and their attitudes. It looks as though you may seek confirmation from whatever you read or hear. Foe example you don’t show any evidence of awareness of Hugh White, Geoff Raby or – I heard him last night on Late Night Live – David Brophy. The latter shows up with this

    China Panic: Australia’s Alternative to Paranoia and Pandering
    Book by David Brophy

    Of course it sounds as though Brophy might agree with some of what you say.

    Meantime I have found a startling array of Rejections of my Cooments on articles in The Australian online. I discovered that links to Ron Unz’s articles, indeed website, are banned because some reference body has passed on lies and absurdities that absolves the moderators from knowing anything or thinking for themselves. On the present subject
    I found that my denunciation of the ridiculous idea that Australia should prepare for armed conflict with China (in some way – I forget what the tubthumper said exactly) was rejected because I had used the word “delusional” to describe the other Commenter’s views!

    • 回复: @Ultrafart the Brave
  297. @Agent76

    Gain of function research has been going on for some time, particularly with Covid viruses. The United States has been the leader in this type of research, and it has been funding this work in Wuhan.

    I find the early intelligence report on the virus threat reported by the US Department of Defense quite troubling, along with the military presence in Wuhan at the time of the appearance of the virus.

    It is certainly not a stretch of imagination to think that the US government deep state could do something as reprehensible and evil as to release a life threatening virus on a host population. After all, is there much doubt that rogue elements within the US government, in cooperation with our good friends the Israelis, played a key role in 911?

    The theory proposed by Mr. Unz is at least as plausible as the lab leak theory from Wuhan, and far more likely than the bat soup theory.

    We cannot forget that we are dealing here with some seriously evil people who have already shown their willingness to murder innocent people to further their own interests.

  298. Skeptikal 说:
    @One-off

    “This story is moving rapidly. Whether it was Wade’s paper or something is about to explode remains to be seen. ”

    “Lab Causes Jab, or Jab ‘Causes’ Lab?”

  299. Skeptikal 说:
    @One-off

    “How many died because this widely available, low-risk drug was denied to them? ”

    According to Dr. Peter McCullough, about 85 percent of those who died could have been saved with early treatment with HC and, even if the illness was quite advanced, a suite of about three other drugs. He saved his own elderly father. McCullough also treated himself and his wife for covid-19.

  300. Rich 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    Every 9th or 10th item released by the government is true, just to keep us on our toes.

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  301. Iris 说:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    A criminal that commits a crime and then deliberately plants the murder weapon into his Nr1 foe’s garden to get him accused seems equally compelling to me.

    It is called a “false flag” in popular vernacular. I could make a long list of those, which interestingly, were committed exclusively by the US, Israel, or NATO, for over seven decades since 1945.

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
  302. Bazinga 说:
    @Ron Unz

    你对 DIA 报告的痴迷是支持你的理论的全部,因为有 *不* XNUMX 月下旬/ XNUMX 月初存在病毒的证据,中国在对武汉地区感染患者进行大规模研究后,XNUMX 月没有发现病毒存在的证据。 如果你有证据,你应该展示它。 我链接到的 WaPo 文章说,没有证据表明中国 XNUMX 月有病毒。 对该时间框架的所有信念都建立在自然传输理论和假设模型之上。 当然,我一直允许 XNUMX 月下旬病毒存在,但没有看到任何证据表明这一点。

    至于美国广播公司发现的所谓的 DIA 报告,很明显,作者 Josh Maroglin 是彻头彻尾的骗子,因为他使用卫星数据发表了关于中国在夏天感染病毒的其他文章。 尽管文章声称政府消息来源,但没有人证明/证实他的 ABC 文章,尤其是其他主流媒体,如 CNN 或 NYT。 没有可靠的论文证实了这一发现,在你的理论中引用它就像引用一篇未经同行评审的论文。 这确实损害了您文章的可信度。 毕竟,为什么这篇文章与 MSM 的“严重”声明不同,比如俄罗斯破坏选举的那些声明? 他们还引用政府消息来源来“证明”普京的干预。

    但这是另一种看待它的方式。 南华早报的文章由其编辑 Josephine Ma 撰写,声称中国在 XNUMX 月下旬追踪该病毒,这与您的理论大相径庭,并直接牵连到中国。 鉴于南华早报作为阿里巴巴直接拥有的重要亚洲报纸的地位,它本身受中共的影响,在我看来,编辑约瑟芬马 *巨大的* 信誉也是如此。 但很明显,她的文章是错误的,只是基于常识。 这就是报纸上有时会发生的事情,这就是为什么我倾向于在我的论点中寻找更可靠的数据。

    但是,您不能争辩 ABC 文章是真实的,同时不接受 SCMP 文章是真实的。 两者都有相同数量的零提供证据支持他们,并且都提出了非常宏大的主张,对这种流行病的发展产生了巨大影响。

    所以,我不认为有 *任何* 为你的理论提供了很好的证据。

    • 回复: @Brás Cubas
    , @anonym25
    , @Ron Unz
  303. @Carlton Meyer

    My feeling is that there was much goodwill created both at the business and the research levels between China and the US before Xi took over eight yeays ago. The assertiveness of Xi contrasted with the lower profile of prior Chinese administrations after Mao’s era. This new assertiveness of the Chinese administration was was not well received in Japan (they elected Shinzo Abe as the strong man against China) and by the Obama administration. Trump just added some wood to an already burning fire. Do the Chinese have to be the slaves of the Western countries? It seems that the US Intelligence and Armed/Navy/Space forces at all levels believe so and they prepare for confrontation. The propaganda nachine is already in action. Wuhan is just the next step, following the developments in the South China sea, HongKong, Xinjiang and Taiwan. This is not the last step in the escalation …

  304. @Iris

    China is exceptionally easy to visit for Americans, whom I imagine are perceptive enough to therefore choose any time other than when there was a military games in town, which would both bring suspicion and make the virus much more likely to spread internationally.

  305. @Voltara

    Lmao. Look, if this “theory” holds any water then the U.S. and Israel are responsible for the Covid outbreak across Europe and indeed everywhere. So where’s the European outrage? Like I said if they could blame Trump they would in a heartbeat. Clearly they think this came from China and only China.

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  306. orchardist 说:

    如果:

    – someone had a hard-on for a lot of folks that they thought should be taken out?

    He/they, instead of using the old technique of stabbing someone in a train station with a Nicotine-tipped umbrella, thus killing “one for one”, instead uses a shotgun approach, and says “what the hell; I’ll try to kill as many people as I possibly can in the shortest period of time, and among the many million who might die, I might get lucky and kill off the few hundreds or so that I want to see gone”?

    Has anyone made a list of prominent folks around the world who have succumbed to the Covid (whatever it is) along with the millions of other just plain folks? Who’s missing? Who’s influence is not being felt do to an early demise?

    Any real standouts? Politicians, Bankers? Scientists? Nuclear weapons designers? Military generals or admirals? Members of congress or parliament? Drug cartel kingpins? Star soccer players? Whistle blowers? [can’t let a good pandemic go to waste!]

    Maybe this ‘covid-thing’ is just an internecine war among thugs – only using a different method this time. Al Capone and others were not averse to killing a few civilians in a hail of gunfire if they could take out the few guys they really wanted to wack. The drug cartels seem proficient at something like this. Hell – even the major military organizations of the world do it with drones on wedding parties from time to time.

    There must be hundreds of organizations around the world who have the cash and the connections to get their hands on all this kind of bio-toxin-stuff that they might want. Maybe the rest of us are just collateral damage in a private turf war.

    That may be the signal: the rest may be just noise. [“…much ado about nothing…”]

    仅仅是一个想法。

    [the real question is: is the US government more powerful than the Las Vegas Teamsters Union? OK – that’s unfair; throw in the East Coast Longshoreman and the Central Valley Strawberry Pickers!]

    “…who knows what Evil lurks in the hearts of Men? Only the Shadow knows!”

  307. Wild Man 说:
    @kpkinsunnyphiladelphia

    The confounding thing about all this is that western Covid Officialdom’s enforced deceitful withholding of non-vaccine prophylactics and therapeutics, …. implies intent (because western Covid Officialdom’s actions in this respect are immoral, irrational and unexpected). This confounding issue alone, begins to make it harder and harder to put together a cogent narrative that accounts for Covid Officialdom’s confounding actions, that also account for an accidental source (either natural or lab-modified).

    How can the covid source be accidental when there was huge concerted Covid Officialdom action in western jurisdictions to force the vaxx solution over other non-vaccine clinical options, (that should have been promoted in tandem with vaccine development, in order to reduce death and suffering, but instead were heavily discouraged), paired with the fact that we are now finding out the spike protein all by itself, is toxic, precisely because the virus that causes covid-19, possesses enhanced spike protein biochemistry by way of human manipulation (gain of function operations), and all the vaxxes program your body to temporarily manufacture said toxic spike protein?

    The more I think about this …. I am starting to conclude that option #1 and #2 in the list of 7 possibilities (as I outlined in my comment #268 above) …. don’t fit the facts. All the other 5 options (#3 thru #7) imply malice. Yikes. This is not going to end well.

    • 同意: idrankwhat
    • 回复: @Skeptikal
    , @lysias
  308. @Bazinga

    但这是另一种看待它的方式。 南华早报的文章由其编辑 Josephine Ma 撰写,声称中国在 XNUMX 月下旬追踪该病毒,这与您的理论大相径庭,并直接牵连到中国。

    This is not a correct interpretation of that article. It is obvious that the author could only be referring to retrospective testing; they get some samples stored in hospitals and test them for antibodies. Here’s a news story which tries to shed some light on that issue albeit from a pro-government standpoint:

    专业人士对早期病例计数的阅读表明没有掩盖
    https://www.chinadailyhk.com/article/a/128415

    • 谢谢: Ron Unz
    • 回复: @Bazinga
  309. @Triteleia Laxa

    A bat coronavirus, that’s undergone gain of function work, originating in the city which hosts the lab that is the most prolific conductor of gain of function research on bat coronaviruses, seems pretty compelling to me.

    First, since you don’t know what research was going on in U.S. biowarfare labs, your statement that the Wuhan lab “is the most prolific conductor of gain of function research on bat coronaviruses” is pure speculation. Second, if it can be shown that people were being infected/sickened with SARS-CoV-2 in the U.S. before anyone in China was infected/sickened with it, then the activities of the lab in Wuhan become irrelevant. And the refusal of the U.S. “government” to investigate some of these apparently early cases of Covid-19 disease in the U.S. is suspicious if not damning, under the circumstances. So it seems that your opinion is is unfounded.

  310. aandrews 说:

    电子邮件显示资助武汉实验室的研究人员承认操纵冠状病毒,感谢福奇驳斥实验室泄漏理论
    ZeroHedge
    02 年 2021 月 08 日,星期三 - 上午 16:XNUMX

    Dr Fauci’s emails have been released via a Freedom of Information Act request, and there is some pretty interesting stuff in them, particularly one email where a researcher who funded the Wuhan Institute of Virology thanks Fauci for publicly dismissing the lab leak theory early on during the pandemic.

    [...]

    Daszak notes that “coronaviruses are pretty good… you can manipulate them in the lab pretty easily… the spiked proteins drive a lot about what happens. You can get the sequence you can build the protein, we work with Ralph Baric at UNC to do this, insert into the backbone of another virus and do some work in a lab.”

    Elsewhere, the emails show that Fauci also knew very early on, before the WHO even declared a pandemic, that researchers suspected the virus had been ‘potentially engineered’ in a lab, as this exchange with Kristian G. Andersen of the Scripps Research Institute from January 2020 shows:

    • 谢谢: Triteleia Laxa
  311. Bob 说:
    @Ron Unz

    China totally stamped out the virus, thereby eliminating the possibility of significant additional waves after the lockdowns ended.

    Not possible. There is no way you can stamp out covid unless you are completely isolated. What is far more likely is China had already gained herd immunity to C19 before 2020. China’s low levels of covid infection strengthen the argument that China 1) released covid or a similar coronavirus that provides immunity to C19 within China in 2018 or before, thus 2) inoculating their population ahead of starting the C19 pandemic in autumn 2019. There is evidence China and surrounded areas had higher than normal mortality figures for 2018, 2019, especially among the elderly.

    This graphic illustrates that China and nearby regions enjoyed greater herd immunity to C19 than other parts of the world. Obviously, whatever they released would not have stayed in China but spread elsewhere, with greater immunity centering around China.

    This graphic also explains why 50% of Americans had immunity to C19 in 2020 and still do today.

    What was China doing in Wuhan in early 2020? Were those dramatic deaths in the streets of Wuhan real or theater? Were the dramatic lockdowns real or theater? Was their pointless spraying of Wuhan streets real or theater? C19 was spread all over China during New Years travel. Why weren’t there massive outbreaks everywhere in China? Isn’t psyop theater a more likely explanation?

    • 同意: idrankwhat
    • 谢谢: Emslander
    • 回复: @utu
    , @Emslander
  312. Desert Fox 说:
    @bike-anarkist

    Agree, this is the biggest scam and psyop in the history of the world and is driven by UN Agenda 2030, the Rockefeller and Gates Foundations , the WEF and all the communist central banks of the world including the ZUS FED.

  313. Anon[383]• 免责声明 说:
    @Ron Unz

    just like the myth of the garage innovator, also a product of silicon valley….

  314. anonym25 说:
    @Bazinga

    Yes there is. Look up in the internet the name of French military athlete “Elodie Clouvel”. She said she exhibited the same symptoms as a Covid19 patient back in october 2019 at the Wuhan Military Games along members of the French delegation as well as other military athletes. The virus was present back in october 2019 and it affected a slew of athletes. The coverup is not only China’s fault: all the governments knew what was going on but they kept quiet. They couldn’t reveal at the times that their soldiers were infected on the grounds of national security threats. Another thing to consider, Biden said that as many as 6000 soldiers died from covid19 in a september rally prior in 2020. You might retort it could be that Biden was showing signs of dementia but he was serious when he made that statement. Soon after, they fact checked him to cast any potential suspicion away.
    https://nypost.com/2020/09/10/biden-incorrectly-says-6000-military-members-died-from-covid-19/

    I believe we’ll find the whole truth about as soon as we retrieve the health check up from the military out of curiosity. The fact that the pandemic began just after the military games is certainly not a coindicence. The fact that somehow after there is somehow a leak in a Wuhan lab after a Russian lab leak as well as the Fort Dietrick leak is quite bizarre to say the least.
    这是俄罗斯实验室泄漏的链接 https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/17/health/russia-lab-explosion-smallpox-intl-hnk/index.html.

    By the way, I’m not saying that Russia is responsible for this whole mess. On the contrary, they are also victims of vile slanders coming from the west and this accident that happens to occur especially prior to a pandemic is way too suspicious. This also could be an attempted sabotage.

    • 回复: @anonym25
  315. Wild Man 说:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I am beginning to conclude, that, given what I outlined in comment #321 ….. you are right ….. an accidental natural source or accidental lab-leak source doesn’t fit the facts. Ergo: It’s biowarfare of some kind. Agreed. But, thinking it through, I also realize that, given what I outlined in comment #321, many of the other 7 possibilities I outlined in comment #268 can be ruled out too. As such, possibility #3, #4 and #5 don’t make sense either. We are left with either #6 or #7. I note that other commenters have continued to mention a key point….. that the CCP should absolve themselves of guilt by way of releasing data, so as to prove it is #6 and not #7. Yet the CCP continues and continues and continues to fail to do so. Ergo: At this juncture … #7 it the scenario that best fits the facts.

    Bizarro world. We live in bizarro world. All this is absolutely crazy.

  316. anonym25 说:
    @anonym25

    Or perhaps should I say Russian lab 爆炸

  317. Today Ron Unz, Zero Hedge has a released email to Fauci from his good bud Peter Daszak thanking him for the cover for saying the China Flu was natural…

    Later in the article they link to a scientific journal that shows where… get this Mr Blowback theory bullshit man…

    The Wuhan Institute in 2013 was in fact fucking around with bat viruses…

    棚:30 年 2013 月 XNUMX 日
    使用ACE2受体的蝙蝠SARS样冠状病毒的分离和鉴定

    自然

    Here’s the credits Unz!!!

    我们感谢国家重点基础研究计划(2011CB504701 和 2010CB530100)、国家自然科学基金(81290341 和 31321001)、科技基础专项(2013FY113500)、CSIRO OCE 国家过敏研究所科学带头人奖的资助和传染病 (NIAID) 奖编号 R01AI079231,美国国立卫生研究院 (NIH)/国家科学基金会 (NSF) 来自 NIH Fogarty 国际中心 (R01TW005869) 的“传染病生态学和进化”奖,来自 NIH Fogarty 的奖项国际中心由卫生与公众服务部部长办公室 (R56TW009502) 和美国国际开发署 (USAID) 新出现的流行病威胁 PREDICT 提供的国际流感基金支持。 内容由作者负责,不一定反映 NIAID、NIH、NSF、USAID 或美国政府的观点。 感谢南方医科大学珠江医院X. Che提供人类SARS患者血清。

    作者信息
    作者说明
    Xing-Yi Ge、Jia-Lu Li 和 Xing-Lou Yang:这些作者对这项工作做出了同样的贡献。

    所属机构
    中国科学院武汉病毒研究所病毒学国家重点实验室新发传染病研究中心,武汉 430071
    葛星一、李嘉璐、杨星楼、胡本、张伟、程鹏、张玉吉、罗楚明、谭丙、王宁、朱燕和施政丽

  318. @Harold Smith

    As I wrote previously, I am not stating that those particular facts are true, I have nowhere near the expertise to do so, instead I am arguing that, if they are true, the case for a Chinese biolab leak is compelling.

    • 回复: @Harold Smith
  319. @Ron Unz

    The Covid bioleak theory had the Mark of Trump. It is noticeable that any other theory, similarly marked, faced immense hurdles in being taken seriously by the press over the last few years.

    Perhaps no mainstream publication wanted that Mark on them, but Wade burst the dam by self-publishing. The media then rushed in.

    That a new untraceable virus leaked out of a lab is an ordinary supposition. That it wasn’t a commonly published one, especially given the circumstances, is the fact which begs interesting explanation.

  320. @Harold Smith

    Can you link to a source that shows early covid cases? I can show you where NIH was funding research into bat viruses at the WUHAN lab dude.. And I can show you video of people dropping in Wuhan where the lab is which was getting funded by NIH…

    And to add to your absolute baloney along with Unz… okay the virus was leaked by Fort Dietrich!!!

    It is an infectious disease for sure… so why didn’t it explode in the US like it did world wide immedi8atley following your so called leak?

    • 回复: @Tar
    , @Harold Smith
  321. AnonFromTN 说:
    @Harold Smith

    the U.S. “government” has no credibility

    The US government has no credibility, period. There are no ifs about it. Neither do MSM. Just a few obvious lies in the last year: “largely peaceful protests” to describe violent rampages involving numerous murders and widespread arson; “deadly virus” to describe a disease you need a PCR test to detect; “aggressive Russia” to describe limited Russian reactions to blatant provocations by the Empire and its lackeys; etc.

    • 同意: Ace, John Wear
  322. AnonFromTN 说:
    @Rich

    Every 9th or 10th item released by the government is true

    Yes, the government still did not deny the times table, even though it’s “racist”. The way things are going, I am sure they will remedy this oversight soon.

  323. AnonFromTN 说:
    @Bragadocious

    他们认为

    Correction: European politicians don’t think, they follow imperial orders. If they did think, they would see real interests of European countries, and the EU would have shaken off the imperial yoke long ago.

    • 回复: @Anon
  324. @Richard Hill

    “Since no effective countermeasure to Covid-19 has appeared anywhere one doubts the bioweapon proposal.” Really?! The first vaccines were supposedly designed just hours after the genome was released, which suggests they may have been created alongside the virus itself and likely administered to anyone the perps wanted to protect long before the public rollout. https://www.patreon.com/posts/37831089 And Ivermectin and to a lesser extent HCQ are effective treatments. https://www.patreon.com/posts/meryl-nass-on-to-51919160

  325. Anon[383]• 免责声明 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    Hungary’s Orban? Luka?

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  326. Bazinga 说:
    @Brás Cubas

    当然,
    但我的理解,尽管可能有缺陷,来自文章中的这一行:
    “有些病例可能在卫生当局检测后被追溯……”对我来说,这意味着他们的一些病例在他们进来时已经被记录在案,而其他病例后来通过追溯被发现为 Covid。 如果所有的案例都有回溯,那么我可以想象作者会写那个。

    • 不同意: Brás Cubas
  327. Tar 说:
    @stonewall jackson

    “Videos of people dropping like flies “ive seen videos of dinosaurs and aliens eating people … have we seen any videos like that since …. no .

  328. @Chrisnonymous

    Actually, the difficulty of doing biowar human testing may help explain the blowback. “Sorry, Mr. Pompeo, if you’d given us a thousand prisoners to test it on, instead of just a few dozen, we might have discovered that the blowback potential was higher than anticipated…”

    • 回复: @d dan
  329. @Triteleia Laxa

    “As I wrote previously, I am not stating that those particular facts are true…”

    In your statement #259 you said: “Wuhan IS the location of the world’s number one lab for gain of function research for bat coronaviruses.”

    Here you assert an opinion as if it were a generally accepted fact.

    …I have nowhere near the expertise to do so…

    Yet in your comment #259 you said for example:

    “Covid-19 (SIC) looks like a bat coronavirus that has gone through gain of function research. It could have emerged in nature, but that would be astonishing.”

    Being that you’re not an expert in the subject matter (nor are you apparently even a well-informed layperson), how would you have any idea about that? Why bother to publicly opine about a subject with which you are very unfamiliar?

    …instead I am arguing that, if they are true, the case for a Chinese biolab leak is compelling.

    But as I’ve pointed out (and you apparently still fail to acknowledge), if it can be established that the virus was infecting people in the U.S. 之前 anyone was infected in China, then the Wuhan lab becomes irrelevant. I don’t think you need to be an expert or even a well-informed layperson to appreciate the importance of the timeline here, right?

  330. AnonFromTN 说:
    @Anon

    Hungary’s Orban? Luka?

    Yes, some try to. The Empire usually tries to depose those for the sin of thinking.

  331. Ace 说:
    @TheJester

    Excellent comment. There are people who today believe that the fall of the Soviet Union was a deception operation. They are intelligent people well versed in communism and its history but this notion of deception is absurd. There’s no evidence of any such thinking or acting in Russia today, let alone a Putinist lust for territorial expansion and obsession with doing to “the main enemy” what an obviously more malevolent Soviet Union failed to do over 70 years. Peter Sellers-like, NOW is the time to really make a move for world domination. Really?

    你的评论强调,有一支由叛徒和颠覆者组成的平行内部军队,他们在西方对自己的同类发动了一场更为阴险的战争。 它追求完全独立于苏联的社会主义乌托邦和垄断资本主义,以及我们看到的对西方的大规模、蓄意、恶意破坏,这些破坏完全来自启蒙运动、进步主义、费边主义和法兰克福学派的源头。 没有必要假设一个由狡猾的俄罗斯共产党人组成的无形阴谋集团继续存在。

    冷战是人和思想之间的一场诚实的较量。 然而,致命一击是由可鄙的、切碎的、留着胡须的人完成的。

  332. Huge, chronologically organized repository of information on many of the US & Chinese GoF actors and Covid origin issues just appeared on this site:

    https://peterdaszak.com/

    Has a definite blame-China bias, but still an enormous amount of compiled and detailed factual information.

    • 回复: @ghost of q.mensch
  333. Ron Unz 说:
    @Bazinga

    至于美国广播公司发现的所谓的 DIA 报告,很明显,作者 Josh Maroglin 是彻头彻尾的骗子,因为他使用卫星数据发表了关于中国在夏天感染病毒的其他文章。 尽管文章声称政府消息来源,但没有人证明/证实他的 ABC 文章,尤其是其他主流媒体,如 CNN 或 NYT。

    You really should read my article more carefully. As I’ve repeatedly emphasized, the existence of the secret DIA report was independently confirmed by Israeli TV a few days later.

    Meanwhile, you may have an absolutely firm conviction that the virus couldn’t possibly have appeared in Wuhan before (say) early December, but almost every other serious researcher and journalist seem to disagree with you. Late Oct/Early Nov is the very widely accepted date.

    例如,谷歌搜索了 20 秒,发现了一份看似可信的学术研究报告,该研究使用分子钟分析来论证零号患者可能在中国官员在 XNUMX 月底附近发现该病毒前两个月左右就被感染了:

    https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2021-03-18-novel-coronavirus-circulated-undetected-months-before-first-covid-19-cases-in-wuhan-china.aspx

    文章还提到,中国当局后来的调查发现了 17 月 XNUMX 日的案件。

    It’s possible that your analysis is correct and that of every other scientific expert and veteran journalist is wrong, but you’d have to provide some more persuasive evidence than just your silly claim about the early doubling-time being shorter than everyone else believes it to be.

    • 回复: @Bazinga
    , @Mehen
  334. MEH 0910 说:


    [更多]

    • 回复: @MEH 0910
  335. Anastasia 说:

    You’re believing these people on this video, and yet say the anti-vaxers are delusional?

    https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=B8BK578A9XM1

  336. @stonewall jackson

    Can you link to a source that shows early covid cases?

    https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20200516/coronavirus-florida-antibody-tests-bolster-suggestion-covid-spread-early-in-florida

    https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/florida-coronavirus-up-to-171-cases-detected-in-jan-feb-health-officials-say/

    https://www.mcknights.com/news/mystery-grows-as-3rd-resident-dies-from-still-unidentified-respiratory-illness/

    https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/essex/belleville/2020/04/30/belleville-nj-mayor-tests-positive-coronavirus-antibodies/3057925001/

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32791492/

    I can show you where NIH was funding research into bat viruses at the WUHAN lab dude.. And I can show you video of people dropping in Wuhan where the lab is which was getting funded by NIH…

    I’m sure you have a lot of useless and/or misleading establishment BS to share with the UNZ readership.

    And to add to your absolute baloney along with Unz… okay the virus was leaked by Fort Dietrich!!!

    LOL! It is Fort “Detrick” not Fort “Dietrich.” You might be taken more seriously if you could at least learn how to spell it.

    It is an infectious disease for sure… so why didn’t it explode in the US like it did world wide immedi8atley following your so called leak?

    I don’t know where it came from. It could’ve come from Ft. Detrick or it could’ve come from another U.S. biowarfare lab. But if it was released in the late spring or early summer, “seasonality” is one factor which could explain why it didn’t immediately “explode.”

    季节性在COVID-19大流行传播中的作用

    刘晓月 1、黄建平 2、李昌钰 1、赵英杰 3、王丹峰 3、黄中卫 4、杨克虎 5

    抽象
    据报道,COVID-19 的传播可能会受到季节性周期引起的环境因素变化的影响。 然而,由于数据有限且难以区分社交距离的影响,其在当前和未来传播模式中的潜在机制仍不清楚。 了解季节性在 COVID-19 大流行传播中的作用对于制定公共卫生干预措施至关重要。 在这里,使用 EEMD 方法提取 COVID-19 时间序列的季节性信号,并引入结合季节性因素的修改后的易感、暴露、传染、恢复 (SEIR) 模型,以量化其对当前 COVID-19 大流行的影响. 通过 EEMD 方法分解的季节性信号表明,在较冷的气候中,SARS-CoV-2 的传染性和死亡率均较高。 定量模拟表明,南半球国家的寒冷季节导致总感染人数增加了59.71±8.72%,而北半球国家的温暖季节则减少了46.38±29.10%。 COVID-19 的季节性在高纬度地区更为明显,在这些地区观察到环境指标的季节性幅度较大。 仅凭季节性不足以将病毒传播抑制到不再需要干预措施的程度,但应扩大医疗保健能力,为即将到来的寒冷季节新的 COVID-19 病例激增做好准备。 我们的研究强调了在制定干预策略时考虑季节性因素的必要性。

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33610582/

  337. Ron Unz 说:
    @stonewall jackson

    Later in the article they link to a scientific journal that shows where… get this Mr Blowback theory bullshit man…

    The Wuhan Institute in 2013 was in fact fucking around with bat viruses…

    You’re a remarkably ignorant fellow. Sure, the Wuhan lab was working with bat viruses. But *每个人* works with bat viruses. Here’s a late January 2020 article by Whitney Webb that you really should read:

    https://www.unz.com/wwebb/bats-gene-editing-and-bioweapons-recent-darpa-experiments-raise-concerns-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/

    It’s perfectly fair for the US to demand the the Wuhan lab release all its virus research notes…if we do the same with Ft. Detrick and all our other 200(?) biolabs around the world…

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  338. 一个可怕的错误:弗兰克奥尔森谋杀案和中央情报局的秘密冷战实验

  339. Wild Man 说:
    @TheJester

    我同意 Ace .. 很好的评论。 关于你的最后一段:

    “The question: Does this second strain of oligarchical-based socialism now feel empowered enough to act? Are we in the midst of a coup designed to force the final transition to world government ruled by wealthy oligarchs with socialized economies (again, a euphemism for monopoly capitalism) a reality? ”

    Precisely. This is really happening, and happening now. The western Covid Officialdom’s extremely wonky, irrational, immoral and lying narrative ….. forces said conclusion. I think we (the populace of the entire world) are in for a world of pain, coming to us all. As outlined in my comment #329, #321, and #268 ….. there really is no other way to see it. It’s gotta be either scenario #6 or scenario #7 (as outlined in my comment #268) ….. with scenario #7 looking more likely by the day. However, we still can’t discount scenario #6 yet ….. and if that ends up being the actual scenario, then I think this may well mean that the western (but anti-true-west in ideology) supranational globalist cabal intends hot war with China. So then, one kinda hopes for #7 instead then. Except that possibility is even more terror-provoking, in the longer run.

    It’s bizarro world. This is all mucho anxiety-provoking.

  340. MEH 0910 说:

  341. Bazinga 说:
    @Ron Unz

    那么罗恩,

    坦率地说,很明显你没有理解你自己的论点,更不用说别人的论点了。 我不确定这是否是一个简单的误解,或者您是否在这里故意迟钝。 XNUMX 月/XNUMX 月时间范围的论点是基于 *强烈* 假设病毒突变成现在的形式,而 *你的* 争论是它是作为生物武器引入的。 那些是 *非常* 提出了不同的关键点。 这显然是科学家们争论的来源,这与引入的生物武器非常不同。

    例如,仔细阅读那篇文章,而不是通过“谷歌搜索 20 秒”来尝试证明你的观点。

    这是节选:

    在这项新研究中,研究人员使用了分子钟进化分析法来尝试确定SARS-CoV-2的第一个病例或索引病例何时发生。 “分子钟”是一种技术的术语,该技术使用基因的突变率来推论两种或多种生命形式的分化(在这种情况下,当SARS-CoV-2的所有变体都存在共同祖先时,本研究估计)最早到2019年XNUMX月中旬。

    他们假设病毒是自然变异的,如果你假设,那么时间框架的变化就会大不相同。 他们的分子钟分析建立在自然突变的信念之上,这对于生物武器来说是非常不同的。

    进一步摘录:

    [更多]

    这些工具包括基于病毒已知生物学特性的流行模拟,例如其传播性和其他因素,由研究合著者、加州大学圣地亚哥分校计算机科学与工程系助理教学教授 Niema Moshiri 博士开发。 在这些模拟中,只有 29.7% 的病毒能够产生自我维持的流行病。 在另外 70.3% 中,病毒在死亡之前感染了相对较少的人。 平均失败的流行病在指数病例发生后仅八天就结束了。

    “通常,科学家利用病毒的遗传多样性来确定病毒开始传播的时间,” Wertheim说。 “我们的研究通过对病毒在引起观察到的遗传多样性之前可以传播多长时间进行建模,在此方法的基础上增加了至关重要的一层。

    “我们的方法产生了一些令人惊讶的结果。 我们看到,我们试图模拟的超过三分之二的流行病已经灭绝。 这意味着,如果我们可以时光倒流并重复2019年一百次,即三分之二,则COVID-19会自行消失而不会引发大流行。 这一发现支持了一种观念,即人类不断受到人畜共患病病原体的轰炸。”

    沃特海姆指出,即使SARS-CoV-2于2019年秋季在中国流行,研究人员的模型也表明,直到至少当年XNUMX月,它的水平仍很低。

    沃特海姆说:“鉴于此,很难将中国的低水平病毒与欧洲和美国同时宣称受到感染的情况相提并论。” “我当时对中国境外的COVID-19的说法持怀疑态度。”

    因此,在他们对 70 月下旬/ 70 月初的病毒释放所做的 70% 的模拟中,病毒在没有引发大流行的情况下消失了。 如果您谈论的是自然突变,那么这是有道理的,但您谈论的是生物武器。 美国发射的生化武器有XNUMX%的失败几率? 如果您使用分子钟分析来获得这样的时间范围,那么同样的分析也表明病毒有 XNUMX% 的时间会消失。 也许蓬佩奥或博尔顿是那种冒险者,但我对此表示怀疑。 

    在你说生物武器可能被发布给多人之前,这篇文章还说:

    根据这项工作,研究人员估计,到2年4月2019日,中国感染SARS-CoV-1的人数中位数不到一人。十三天后是四人,而到2019年19月XNUMX日只有九人。武汉的首批住院病人于XNUMX月中旬发生,后来被确定为COVID-XNUMX。

    我同意你的说法,这篇文章是可信的,但如果你真的阅读并理解了它,那就意味着到4月4日只有一个人感染了病毒,到17月70日只有XNUMX个人感染了病毒。 因此,您现在的论点是,美国仅用一种生物武器感染了一个人,该生物武器在 XNUMX 月底/XNUMX 月初失败的可能性为 XNUMX%。 坦率地说,如果你相信这一点,那么当他们说普京入侵美国选举时,你比 MSM 更愚蠢和疯狂。

    你还说:

    文章还提到,中国当局后来的调查发现了 17 月 XNUMX 日的案件。

    嗯,你应该告诉中国当局,他们发现 *零* 8 月 XNUMX 日之前的病毒证据。 你也应该告诉WaPo,因为他们似乎不认为在XNUMX月初之前有任何确诊病例:

    同样,这里是 Wapo 文章:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/who-were-the-first-coronavirus-cases-china-should-help-solve-the-mystery/2021/05/26/f43d7cc0-be49-11eb-b26e-53663e6be6ff_story.html

    你真的应该更仔细地阅读我的文章。 正如我反复强调的那样,几天后,以色列电视台独立证实了 DIA 秘密报告的存在。

    我确实读过那些文章,它们实际上相互矛盾。 TimesofIsrael 的文章称,特朗普政府在 XNUMX 月忽略了证据,并将其交给了北约和以色列:

    美国情报部门通知了特朗普政府,“特朗普政府对此并不感兴趣”,但报告称,美国人还决定用机密文件更新两个盟友:北约和以色列,特别是以色列国防军。

    但美国广播公司的文件称,直到 XNUMX 月特朗普才意识到这一点时,政府才完全了解该报告:

    从 XNUMX 月的警告开始,消息人士描述了整个 XNUMX 月为联邦政府以及白宫国家安全委员会的政策制定者和决策者提供的反复简报。 消息人士称,所有这一切都以对 XNUMX 月初总统每日情报简报中出现的问题的详细解释而告终。 据曾在共和党和民主党政府的总统简报会上工作的人士称,如果某些东西出现在 PDB 中,它必须经过数周的审查和分析。

    据以色列电视台报道,美国情报部门并不认为这些数据“有兴趣”,但他们还决定“反复向”政府官员通报情况,并将其放入特朗普 XNUMX 月份的通报中? 您认为这算作独立确认吗? 现在甚至 *更多的* 很明显,整个 DIA 报告都是骗局,并不存在。

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
    , @Iris
  342. @Alvin

    Tell that to the people who died and to my husband who is suffering long term neurological affects of Covid, including seizures, -to the doctors and nurses in hospitals and people having to say goodbye to their loved ones through a plastic shield dying alone. Tell it to my friends in India. It would not have “gone unnoticed”. All that statement says is how privileged you are to not have lost anyone close to you due to the virus. The economic toll was just one of the costs.

    • 巨魔: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • 回复: @mh505
    , @Emslander
  343. @Wild Man

    So where does Event 201 fit in your list? Or Fauci’s 2017 assertion that the Trump Administration WOULD have a contagion to deal with?

    I think that the idea of a non-state cabal working to ignite a war between USA and China is worth considering. At the same time, the plan was to advance the implementation of China-style social credit control over Americans. If so, it may yet succeed.

    • 回复: @Wild Man
  344. @lloyd

    You have to ask yourself: Who is capable of pulling off a world-wide global terror-hoax on the scale of Covid? Who pulled off 911? Who pulled off tricking the entire world with the Holohoax? Only the Jews are capable of a crime like Covid.

  345. Skeptikal 说:
    @Wild Man

    “The confounding thing about all this is that western Covid Officialdom’s enforced deceitful withholding of non-vaccine prophylactics and therapeutics, …. implies intent (because western Covid Officialdom’s actions in this respect are immoral, irrational and unexpected). This confounding issue alone, begins to make it harder and harder to put together a cogent narrative that accounts for Covid Officialdom’s confounding actions, that also account for an accidental source (either natural or lab-modified).”

    没错。

    [更多]

    As I said upthread, the failure to treat and the suppression and criminalization of knowledge of effective meds and protocols is the smoking gun here.

    Any hypothesis that fails to account for this fact is, IMO, worthless.

    That was coordinated. Were Fauci and Gates on the coordinating committee?

    The obvious inference is that the whole operation was coordinated, from release of virus to lockdown etc.

    However, it is possible that an accidental leak of either a natural or an engineered virus prompted the quick rollout of a plan already put together at pandemic simulations such as Event 201.

    A.k.a “Patriot Act Maneuver.”

    Of course it is also quite possible that 9/11 planning included rolling out the Patriotic Act.

    In fact, if the Lockdown, withholding of medications, etc. was a planned response, it would even be possible that the virus had a natural origin.

    Kind of like “de facto arson” when a landlord takes advantage of a fire in his building to evict tenants he wanted to get rid of for a long time (a real-life experience of mine). In such a case, it is almost immaterial, whether it was actual or de facto arson.

    • 回复: @Wild Man
  346. Wild Man 说:
    @Jefferson Temple

    关于你的评论:

    “So where does Event 201 fit in your list? Or Fauci’s 2017 assertion that the Trump Administration WOULD have a contagion to deal with? ”

    Not sure. Since placing my comment #268, I have subsequently thought about it a bit more, and have reasoned out which of the 7 possibilities in my comment #268, fit the facts (only #6 or #7) …. as based on logical inference and deduction, as based partly on an examination of ‘intent’ (as I outlined in comment #321 and then ultimately in comment #329). So earlier events (like Event 201, or past Fauci comments) ….. yes, in retrospect, it may turn out such earlier circumstantial evidence bears fruit as well (or maybe not).

    关于你的评论:

    “I think that the idea of a non-state cabal working to ignite a war between USA and China is worth considering. At the same time, the plan was to advance the implementation of China-style social credit control over Americans. If so, it may yet succeed.”

    Yes ….. the western (but anti-true-west in ideology) supranational globalist cabal may well be intending a hot war with China (that would fall within scenario #6). Alternatively, the current plan insinuated by way of western Covid Officialdom’s wonky, immoral, irrational, and lying narrative, may well end up being about working with the CCP on advancing the implementation of China-style social credit control over everybody within the reach of western jurisdictions (which, ultimately, perhaps is everybody in the world outside of China’s and Russia’s respective spheres of geopolitical influence), which would fall within scenario #7.

  347. Ace 说:
    @Emslander

    衷心感谢你。

    I don’t see Mr. Unz’s scorched earth attacks but then reading this and his other articles and the multitudinous comments is like drinking from a fire hose so I could have missed them. 🙂

    Increasingly I find that ANY event or trend can be explained by a satanic malevolence on the part of the political class. Mass third-world immigration (a la Ray Caruso’s superb comment above, #63), off-shoring, hideous cultural subversion, attacks on police, releasing prisoners and violent arrestees, failing to keep the king’s peace, groveling before Israel, wholesale attacks on free speech, ceaseless brown- and blackification of movies and commercials, endless promotion of miscegenation, lunatic spending, reckless currency debasement, pointless, ruinous wars, and the glorification of black pathology, 除其他外,, cannot be seen as anything other than a coordinated, intentional, satanic attack on white European peoples.

    Maybe I’m slow but an attack on China just doesn’t fit in with these poisonous initiatives. Why bother?

    • 同意: Emslander
  348. Vidi 说:
    @Anonymous

    EVALI showing no sign of being contagious beyond being “contagious” as something like obesity

    According to the CDC (链接), “As of Feb. 18, 2020, 2,807 cases of hospitalized EVALI or deaths were reported by 所有 50 个州” (emphasis added). This should give you some idea of the size and distribution of the EVALI epidemic.

    In a paper published by the highly respected New England Journal of Medicine (Syndromic Surveillance for E-Cigarette, or Vaping, Product Use–Associated Lung Injury by Kathleen P. Hartnett et al, dated February 20, 2020, there is a graph (Figure 1) of the number of Emergency Department visits caused by vaping. Hopefully this graph appears below (if it does not show up, feel free to visit the URL) :图1. Emergency Department (ED) Visits with Electronic Cigarette (E-Cigarette) Product Use as the Reason for the Visit, According to Age Group.
    Note the enormous spike that peaked on September 8, 2019.

    There is an equally precipitous fall in cases in late 2019. You might think it was caused by people stopping their vaping habit, but that’s apparently not true. According to a market researcher (链接), “The global e-cigarette and vape market size was valued at USD 15.04 billion in 2020 and is expected to expand at a compound annual growth rate (CAGR) of 28.1% from 2021 to 2028”.

    So the vaping market is still growing like gangbusters. The drop in EVALI cases is therefore probably not caused by a shrinking market. Which means the 巨大的崛起 in EVALI cases in mid-2019 was probably not caused by vaping either, but by something else.

    Whether COVID-19 caused the EVALI deaths is an open question, one which the US is apparently determined to never answer. The reported “ground glass lungs” in many of the deaths tilts the balance towards COVID, but we’ll probably not know until the cadavers have undergone PCR testing for the virus.

    (Note that EVALI peaked months before the first COVID-19 case in Wuhan.)

    • 回复: @utu
    , @Anonymous
  349. Wild Man 说:
    @Skeptikal

    你的评论:

    “As I said upthread, the failure to treat and the suppression and criminalization of knowledge of effective meds and protocols is the smoking gun here.”

    Yes ….. I tried to respond to that comment yesterday, but my comment was binned. What the Covid Officialdom’s collective did to Dr. Stella Immanuel last summer, around the HC + other therapeutic regiment that she was using in clinical practice is Texas, which saved many lives, was derided by the leftist types common within the Officialdom collective, and in a way that was very crassly racist (these leftists showing there true colors there ….. hypocrites and charlatans). Not sure why that comment was not allowed.

    However, I don’t think there is any possibility that the original source was accidental and natural, or an accidental lab-leak (i.e. – the release must have been non-natural and not accidental), ….. because the unfolding vaxx partial-fiasco is clearly part of the plan (as Covid Officialdom’s disturbing actions prior to vaccine-availability, show) ….. and since the unfolding vaxx partial-fiasco is contingent on the engineered toxicity of the spike protein, …. it follows that Covid Officialdom was, in some way, in control of the virus that caused covid-2.

    • 同意: idrankwhat
  350. utu 说:
    @Bob

    This is pure BS that you are pushing here. The postulate that China, Australia, NZ, Taiwan, Japan had a developed immunity to Covid-19 due to prior infections by virus X or viruses X,Y,Z for which there is zero evidence serves only one purpose: fortify the denial of non-pharmaceutical countermeasures like: border closures, quarantine, lockdown, contact tracing, masking. All those countries deployed the mixture of various non-pharmaceutical countermeasures very successfully leading to very low per capita death rate. They, with the exception of Japan, went for virus eradication strategies.

    Furthermore there is another usefulness of the BS that the EthicalSkeptic is pushing. Perhaps unsaid but insinuated that China having the immunity to Covid-19 could toy with it with impunity while it would become deadly for the West which opens the window to speculations about possibility that China intentionally released the virus and all what we were shown in Wuhan was just a theater to make us overreact. Which to you and that EthicalSkeptic of yours means unnecessary lockdowns and masking. Fro you and your kind it is all about lockdowns and masking. Guess what? Actually we under reacted.

    • 哈哈: thotmonger
  351. utu 说:
    @Vidi

    EVALI has nothing to do with Covid-19 or any other infectious agent.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-covid-19-its-impact-and-origins-after-one-year/?showcomments#comment-4538781
    As of February 18, 2020 there were a total of 2,807 hospitalized EVALI cases with 68 confirmed deaths that occurred in 29 states. Illinois and Massachusetts had the highest number of deaths which was five cases of death. The median age of deceased was 49.5 ranging from 15 to 75. Among the hospitalized the median age was 24 and 76% of patents were below 35.

  352. Ace 说:
    @Wild Man

    I like your formulation “western (but anti-true-western in ideology) globalist cabal.” “Political elite” implies a certain patriotism (though not much). “Deep state” is perhaps amorphous.

    Some attempt to describe the drivers of this madness. With the importation of millions of third-worlders, the worship of parasitic, rejectionist minorities, the embrace of cultural lunacy, and, among other things, a refusal to maintain simple street and home security it’s impossible for the citizen to take the final leap into an appreciation of the diseased people who determine the fortunes of the nation. I’m sure you know of Sarkozy’s notion of the duty (quote unquote) of French people to engage in “metissage” and this King of the Toads broke the mould for political stupidity, arrogance, and destructiveness.

    There’s too much apparent hostility to China and Russia for me to think there might be some coordination between them and our WBATWII types. We are, however, in uncharted territory with just about any institution you want to name having failed us. Just look at the Pope. The blankety blank head of the Catholic Church and if isn’t a strong contender for Antichrist 2021 I’ll eat my face mask.

  353. Desert Fox 说:
    @Kevin Barrett

    Covid-19 does not exist, it has never been isolated, I challenge you to show me one source that says covid-19 has been isolated.

    • 回复: @Anon
  354. Ace 说:
    @Bob

    That’s true. A well thought out plan including plan would necessarily focus on getting the job done (harming China). If the “western (but anti-true-western in ideology) globalist cabal” also decided to go for broke and get a two-fer, it seems like it would also frustrate efforts to deal with a domestic pandemic by censoring criticisms of vaccines and discussion of simpler alternatives, pumping up the hysteria, and steering well clear of any kind of a gradual refinement of our understanding of the “crisis”. This last point is one of the real oddities of our national response. Initial measures imposed on the basis of incomplete information and a “better safe than sorry” motivation were fine but the sum total of what we knew and came to know about the vid remained between the ears of Fauci and, for a time, what’s her face. Good luck finding a reliable official site compiling our lessons learned. No, we’re still having mask held up as effective tools, pushing vaccines with an unexplained mechanism and danger (trust us), and acting like we don’t know that children are in no special danger. The national “debate” has been juvenile and opaque and certainly it did not include vigorous discussion of mortality risks or encourage something other than a cowardly take on what amount of risk to mature people tolerate.

    I’m not sure I said anything illuminating in response. Suffice it to say, we’re still at the state when everything has to be on the table and all possible explanations have to be listed and discussed.

    • 回复: @Wild Man
  355. Anonymous[234]• 免责声明 说:
    @Vidi

    Whether COVID-19 caused the EVALI deaths is an open question, one which the US is apparently determined to never answer.

    No, it is not an open question. I don’t know how to make it more clear: The epidemiology (contagiousness) and pathology (slow vs sudden onset; age distribution) are completely different. Your claim is as ridiculous as claiming every diarrhea case to be an evidence of cholera.

    • 同意: utu
    • 回复: @Vidi
  356. Dumbo 说:

    No one is mentioning the fact that the vaccine seems to be the catalyst for worse infections, be it because of complacency and being less careful, be it because people become asymptomatic or have milder symptoms but still spread it, or be it because of worse mutations caused by the vaccine.

    This seems to be the case in India; hopefully America and European countries do not repeat the pattern.

    [更多]

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/infected-after-2nd-shot-vax-still-best-bet-docs/articleshow/81978612.cms

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/many-catching-virus-after-1st-jab-turning-silent-spreaders-docs/articleshow/82489543.cms

    Also, no one is mentioning that the virus and the vaccine seem to have been created almost together (certainly very quickly compared to other vaccines. It makes sense if it was a “bioweaopn”, the vaccine was likely created simultaneously as an antidote (it would make sense, right? you wouldn’t create a poison without an antidote).

    • 回复: @FB
    , @Ron Unz
  357. Anonymous[730]• 免责声明 说:

    Given such a scenario I doubt that this was meant to be just an attack on China. The US response, incompetent or otherwise, shut down the American economy by political fiat after some apparent confusion and has insisted on troublesome medical procedures, denial of evidence of cheap solutions such as hydroxychloroquine and zinc, Ivermectin and some others. Assuming that Covid and its capabilities as a bioweapon were well known to the US conspirators one should conclude the virus was meant to do double duty.

    The history of the Corona vaccines is very suspect. The insistence on emergency vaccine development excluding other approaches which would seem faster and less problematic raises serious questions. One could argue the above case as a traitorous putsch domestically in which a bio attack on China was engineered with full intention of seeing the virus spread to the West creating justification for tyrannical action.

    I suggest that if the above scenario is correct then there is a great deal more going on here than has yet been supposed. If the appearance of Covid in China is not accidental there is also excellent reason to suspect its coming to the US is not accidental either.

    A US bioweapon should have been well understood and produced a much faster and determined response domestically than was actually observed assuming the government really wanted to stop it. Why would it want to stop it becomes the question? Fast action might suggest the US knew too much about the virus. But given planning which would require allowing the virus to spread to the US for reasons of camouflage and plausible denial argues that planning for political and economic gain would be undertaken here too. The mystifying response of lockdowns, business closures, masks, padding of death figures for Covid, etc. argues for a dual attack. One could call this a one-two punch to take down China and opposition to the New World Order.

    • 同意: anonym25, idrankwhat
    • 回复: @utu
    , @Ron Unz
  358. utu 说:

    From David Cole:
    https://www.takimag.com/article/house-of-faucistein/

    Unz makes the only logical coincidence-based argument. Gain of function ban ends; Fauci funds the research. World Military Games bring American spooks to Wuhan in late October 2019; the first Covid cases occur immediately afterwards. Chinese caught unprepared; Iran leaders get infected.

    This does not mean he endorses or agrees with Ron Unz. He recognizes the appealing propaganda value of the Unz theory.

  359. Anon[383]• 免责声明 说:
    @Desert Fox

    And a counter challenge is to show me a photon. *每个人* thinks photons exist, but you can’t isolate one, nor a collection of them.

    • 哈哈: Ron Unz
    • 巨魔: Je Suis Omar Mateen
  360. mapman 说:
    @durd

    Look up “plaque assay” or “limiting dilution assay”. Filtered samples free of any living matter reproducibly produce cultures of dead cells that can be isolated and sequenced to find viral genomes that do not have anything comparable in humans.

    Or, in brief, don’t be stupid. It’s one thing to assign different weights to some pertinent facts but it’s completely different thing to be so bloody ignorant as to flatly deny indisputable facts.

    • 哈哈: John Fisher
    • 回复: @durd
  361. Dumbo 说:

    As for the virus not existing. I don’t know. But it is clear that a new or different disease is out there, and that has some particular symptoms (loss of smell, extreme tiredness, lung infection) that are unusual and different from a regular flu. Not sure if it is caused by a “virus” or something else, not sure even if it’s really highly contagious (I think it depends on other stuff). But it is a nuisance.

    However, this mandatory vaccine stuff is worse. This will prolong this thing forever.

    Look at the absurd things they say:

    “But we don’t know. For these mRNA vaccines, we may be doing better than nature, better than a natural infection.”

    https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-06-02/vaccine-protection-may-diminish-need-for-yearly-boosters

  362. Da's Reich 说:

    一篇超级文章,

    然而 -

    我找不到无症状传播的可靠证据,如果没有这种特别的宣传,封锁怎么可能卖给全世界?

    此外,在现阶段推动疫苗接种是非常疯狂的,那么如何将制药业从其自身造成的阿片类药物金融黑洞中拯救出来,这是否符合一项只操中国人的策略,

    Could it be that big pharma, which as we know is owned by the same ‘funds’ (Vanguard, Blackrock, SSGA, Capital, etc) was tasked with the get out strategy of the magic syrup, to get ‘normality’ returned without blowing the lid on the Bio attack?

    Giving the vaccine makers indemnity against any legal action over the effects of the vaccination programme it smells to me like these ‘owners’ were in a very strong negotiating position,

    下一场灾难是这些新型疫苗造成的死亡和重伤人数,

    如果抗体依赖性增强 (ADE) 成为一种东西,那又会怎样呢?

    The fat lady hasn’t even begun to clear her throat as far as I can make out,

    I do hope I’m wrong.

    • 回复: @Ben the Layabout
  363. Ace 说:
    @Anon

    Trump was damned if he did and damned if he didn’t. Even if the French had not pushed HCQ it was decidedly on the 禁酒索引 of the political class.

    He had good instincts and had no guile but I wish he had incorporated the 80/20 rule and the story of the Gordian knot into his style. But the howling onslaught must have bewildered and exhausted him. He was ill served by his 顾问 at every turn but that’s a discussion for another day.

  364. Vidi 说:
    @Anonymous

    No, [whether EVALI was caused by COVID-19] is not an open question. I don’t know how to make it more clear: The epidemiology (contagiousness) and pathology (slow vs sudden onset; age distribution) are completely different. Your claim is as ridiculous as claiming every diarrhea case to be an evidence of cholera.

    Go ahead, compare the epidemiology of EVALI versus COVID. Note: there is evidence that SARS-CoV-2 was already widespread in the US months before the first case was confirmed in Wuhan.

    As for the age distribution, doesn’t India’s variant B.1.167.1 prefer to attack younger people? So at least one variant of COVID-19 could easily fit EVALI’s age distribution, why not others? How do you answer this?

  365. Emslander 说:
    @Bob

    What is far more likely is China had already gained herd immunity to C19 before 2020.

    Now that is a very important contribution to this whole mess. If anyone were treating this issue for what it is, which is a regular SARS flu, that would be an amazing assertion. Instead, it was treated as an opportunity for bureaucracies to frighten and then pen up the people of the world.

    • 回复: @Bob
  366. FB 说: • 您的网站
    @Dumbo

    Speaking of the vaccines: ALARMING DATA OUT FROM CDC AND EMA

    Over 10,000 vaccine deaths in Europe as of beginning of May.

    In US CDC reports over 4,000 deaths, 2,500 ‘permanent disabilities,’ 25,000 emergency room visits, and over 11,000 hospitalizations. Nearly 200,000 ‘adverse events’ all told.

    The number of ‘adverse events’ in Europe is over 400,000.

    Alarming Casualty Rates for mRNA Vaccines Warrant Urgent Action

    The actual numbers of all of these vaccine side-effects could in fact be much higher, as the incident reporting could be a small fraction of actual cases, with many cases likely not reported unless it happened within hours of getting the jab.

    Even if the reporting numbers are solid, tens of thousands of people DEAD already at this stage in the game is pretty alarming.

    The official US vaccine-related death toll is greater in just 5 months than all the vaccine-related deaths from the past 20 years combined.

    • 同意: idrankwhat
    • 谢谢: Morton's toes
    • 回复: @Commentator Mike
  367. Emslander 说:
    @Interested citizen

    Tens of thousands of people die from a flu every winter season. My father-in-law died of a flu at the age of 57.

    All these losses are sad, maybe tragic, occurrences, but sadness is no proof that this flu was so uniquely dangerous that the lives and livelihoods of the entire world needed to be upended.

    • 谢谢: thotmonger
  368. utu 说:
    @Anonymous

    …denial of evidence of cheap solutions such as hydroxychloroquine and zinc, Ivermectin and some others…

    医疗机构似乎发出了一个很好的呼吁,反对江豚提倡的替代疗法,如羟氯喹、伊维菌素或维生素 D,以及显然成为自己确认偏见受害者的合法医生。

    来自随机试验的国际协作荟萃分析的羟氯喹和氯喹在 COVID-19 中的死亡率结果(15 年 2021 月 XNUMX 日)
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22446-z

    我们发现,羟氯喹治疗与 COVID-19 患者死亡率增加有关,而氯喹没有任何益处。

    羟氯喹预防 COVID-19 死亡率(05 年 2020 月 XNUMX 日)
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanrhe/article/PIIS2665-9913(20)30390-8/fulltext

    该研究发现与羟氯喹使用相关的标准化累积 COVID-19 死亡率没有显着差异

    伊维菌素对轻度 COVID-19 成人症状缓解时间的影响(4 年 2021 月 XNUMX 日)
    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389

    伊维菌素组症状缓解的中位时间为 10 天(IQR,9-13),而安慰剂组为 12 天(IQR,9-13)(症状缓解的风险比,1.07 [95% CI, 0.87 到 1.32];通过对数秩检验 P = .53)。 到第 21 天,伊维菌素组 82% 和安慰剂组 79% 的患者症状得到缓解。

    研究结果不支持使用伊维菌素治疗轻度 COVID-19

    伊维菌素治疗 COVID-19:随机对照试验的系统评价和荟萃分析(25 年 2021 月 XNUMX 日)
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.21.21257595v1

    与 SOC 或安慰剂相比,IVM 并没有降低 COVID-19 患者大多为轻度疾病的 RCT 中的全因死亡率、住院时间或病毒清除率。 IVM 对 AE 或 SAE 没有影响。 IVM 不是治疗 COVID-19 患者的可行选择。

    COVID-19 宿主遗传学计划中的维生素 D 和 COVID-19 易感性和严重性:孟德尔随机化研究(1 年 2021 月 XNUMX 日)
    https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1003605

    因此,遗传证据不支持补充维生素 D 作为防止 COVID-19 结果恶化的一种手段。

    • 不同意: thotmonger, idrankwhat
    • 谢谢: Brás Cubas
  369. Mehen 说:
    @Ron Unz

    你真的应该更仔细地阅读我的文章。 正如我反复强调的那样,几天后,以色列电视台独立证实了 DIA 秘密报告的存在。

    我记得,不清楚以色列的报告是独立来源还是只是对 ABC 的报道。

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  370. Ron Unz 说:
    @Bazinga

    他们假设病毒是自然变异的,如果你假设,那么时间框架的变化就会大不相同。 他们的分子钟分析建立在自然突变的信念之上,这对于生物武器来说是非常不同的。

    They’re obviously talking about mutations detected once the virus became substantially widespread, and then running the molecular clock backwards to try to approximately determine the timing of Patient Zero. You’re just misunderstanding all sort of obvious things.

    I’m giving up on you, and I doubt I’ll reply to your future, very loquacious comments.

    • 回复: @Bazinga
  371. Iris 说:
    @Bazinga

    I’m not sure if this is a simple misunderstanding, or if you are being deliberately obtuse here. The argument for the timeframe of October/November, is based *强烈* 假设病毒突变成现在的形式,而 *你的* argument is that it was introduced as a bioweapon.

    该声明实际上适用于您。

    是否 (1) 病毒从人畜共患病源自然地跳入人类并在人类携带者体内引发其突变,或者 (2) 是否以一种确定的工程形式引入,然后才开始在其人类宿主体内自然突变,这并不能说明其突变率计算方式的任何差异。

    病毒最有可能出现在中国的日期的计算实际上是由福斯特教授进行的。 线性回归计算返回了 13 年 7 月 2019 日至 95 月 2019 日之间的时间间隔,置信区间为 XNUMX%。 这是一个相当大的时间窗口,完全包含 XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月和 XNUMX 月。

    https://www.fluxus-technology.com/cov2020.htm

    Furthermore, the hypothesis is deemed so credible that the official WHO fact-finding mission on the origins of Covid19 carefully examined all cases of pulmonary disease that appeared in Wuhan in Oct and Nov 2019. Although they couldn’t find any irrevocable evidence of Covid19 contamination for these two months, they acknowledged that such early contamination was possible.

    他们不仅建议中国回顾其截至 2019 年 XNUMX 月的健康记录,而且建议在全球范围内开展此类工作:

    https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus/origins-of-the-virus
    页110:

    例如,开展相关溯源研究的国家和地区。
    报告了到 2 年底在污水、血清、人类或动物组织/拭子和其他 SARSCoV-2019 测试中的阳性结果。

    • 不同意: thotmonger
    • 回复: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  372. Ron Unz 说:
    @Dumbo

    No one is mentioning the fact that the vaccine seems to be the catalyst for worse infections, be it because of complacency and being less careful, be it because people become asymptomatic or have milder symptoms but still spread it, or be it because of worse mutations caused by the vaccine.

    This seems to be the case in India; hopefully America and European countries do not repeat the pattern.

    That sounds ridiculous to me, especially your citation of the India example.

    India is currently suffering the world’s worst outbreak, with expert estimates that something like 1.6 million people have already died, or perhaps even more than 4 million.

    Meanwhile, only 3% of Indians have been fully vaccinated, putting them nearly at the bottom of major countries.

    If the largest numbers of deaths are occurring where there are the fewest vaccinations, I’m not sure that entirely supports your theory…

    • 同意: Commentator Mike
    • 巨魔: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • 回复: @Dumbo
    , @thotmonger
  373. Ron Unz 说:
    @Anonymous

    A US bioweapon should have been well understood and produced a much faster and determined response domestically than was actually observed assuming the government really wanted to stop it.

    Not if the attack on China (and Iran) was orchestrated by a small group of rogue plotters, probably associated with the Deep State Neocons like Pompeo and Bolton.

    After all, once the virus began devastating Northern Italy and leaking back into the US, they obviously couldn’t go to Trump and tell him what they’d done without his approval.

    • 哈哈: Emslander
  374. Wild Man 说:
    @Ace

    关于你的评论:

    ” Good luck finding a reliable official site compiling our lessons learned”

    …. here goes a first try:

    1) The type of masking we all partook of (cloth or disposable) did very little (if anything) with respect to reducing the transmission of the virus that causes coivd-19, in either direction (either catching covid or spreading covid to others). The enforcement of masking, after this was clear (and it was immediately clear …. just do the mirror test for yourself, with exhaled smoke thru mask), set up social conditions by which ‘Karen’ types would spew outrage at more rational people. I followed all the mask mandates (and I’m in Canada and so still do, because we still have enforced masking here) out of a spirit of politeness and goodwill to others with respect to going along with the consensus rules, yet also told anyone whom I personally knew, whom wished to impose their rule-bound ‘Karen-ness’ upon me, precisely how the ongoing publicly sanctioned forced masking was moronic, and that yet I will abide out of a spirit of respect for those around me whom disagree. This didn’t go over too well. I got quite a few of the ‘Karens’ mucho mad at me. But the alternate choice was to abide and shut-up. That type of acquiescence is actually anti-social and so I won’t do that. As such, Covid Officialdom, by way of the masking policies, …. acted purposely to sow social discord (and still do to this very day in Canada). Absolutely pathetic.

    2) By way of what has been uncovered by truth0diggers, throughout the pandemic, our healthcare regime officials cannot be trusted (at all): The 5 egregious, extremely harmful, and obnoxious lies spewed by Covid Officialdom. Recommending vaxx for 12 year olds when Covid Officialdom’s own data shows this goes against the self-interest for this aged-cohort. Obfuscating said data, by refusing to measure the covid policies, in terms of person-years of life, lost or saved, instead of simply lives lost or saved.

    3) Covid Officialdom’s policies have generally, been terrible for everybody (all age cohorts), however, interestingly, even worse, is the fact that Covid Officialdom has crafted further downstream policies that try to gloss over the sheer stupidity and resultant harm of said polices, as borne more-so by more aged cohorts (as such cohorts are naturally more susceptible to more severe covid disease), by forcing a non-balanced policy approach, that favors the self-interest of older aged cohorts, to the detriment of younger aged cohorts (as becomes crystal clear once one begins to measure the outcomes of these covid policies in terms of person-years of life saved or lost, instead of just lives lost or saved).

    4) By way of what has been uncovered by truthdiggers, throughout the pandemic, the virology and immunology science communities appear to be out of control ….. to the point now ….. viral gain-of-function technologies for pro-social research endeavors cannot be meaningfully separated from viral gain-of-function technologies intended as bioweapons. This is both terrifying and exciting. Terrifying for obvious reasons … however exciting because this also means we are now sharply entering into a new era of huge increments in human domination over biochemical considerations.

    5) By way of this whole covid fiasco, we know that there is not any question at all now, as to whether a western (but anti-true-west in ideology) supranational globalist cabal exists and acts with malicious intent. No one can any longer deny this to be the case.

    6) Psychopathy (and other Cluster-B-type personality pathologies) are much more common at the apex of western power structures, than most people want to admit.

    7) The western populace (regular citizens) needs a much better handle on the CCP and China. The CCP and China now heavily feature in the future outcomes of all the people of the earth. As such, much much more transparency is needed in this respect.

    • 回复: @Ace
    , @thotmonger
  375. Ron Unz 说:
    @Mehen

    我记得,不清楚以色列的报告是独立来源还是只是对 ABC 的报道。

    You’re mistaken. Israeli TV independently revealed that the secret DIA report had been send to Israel and NATO allies as well as distributed to top American leaders, and various other crucial details. Just read the links to the separate ABC News and Israeli TV stories I provided in my article and you’ll see this.

    • 回复: @Triteleia Laxa
  376. @ghost of q.mensch

    More dirt on Daszak-Fauci relationship just leaked:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/email-shows-researcher-who-funded-wuhan-lab-admits-manipulating-coronaviruses-thanked

    The question is why all this is getting leaked right now?

    Is the US CYA-CIA (and/or Pompeo/Uniparty et al.?) feeling heat from somewhere and trying desperately to burn the the GoF ‘Gang of Four’ (Daszak, Fauci, Baric, Shi) plus China to cover their tracks?

  377. @Ron Unz

    David Cole claims Wade didn’t know vital evidence. If you know Wade, maybe you can clear this up.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/son-of-frankencovid/

    So I wrote Wade an email. I asked him about the most important piece of evidence in the Covid origin investigation: the presence of Covid-positive environmental samples in the wet market (not just in the people who were infected there, but in the animal slop and waste and runoff—the market’s environment):

    My understanding is that the first major cluster of cases was centered around the wet market (not the first case, but the first cluster), and that 33 environmental samples taken at the market came back with traces of Covid. How does that jibe with the hypothesis that a lab worker was accidentally infected with a bug that had been engineered to be super-contagious for humans but not (as you pointed out) for animals? If a scientist walked out of that lab infected with something artificially primed for human-to-human transmission, something that bypassed entirely the process of passing through animal intermediaries, how does one explain the wet market cluster and the environmental traces among the animal detritus?

    Surely he’d have an answer for that, right? Well…he did.

    Thanks for your note. In answer to your questions, I had assumed the wet market cases were all in people and didn’t know about the environmental samples.

    • 哈哈: FB
    • 回复: @Iris
  378. Kapyong 说:
    @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree

    “如果犹太人没有在神的神圣儿子再次出现之前在道成肉身的耶稣面前谦卑自己,那对犹太人来说将是多么粗鲁的永久觉醒。”

    我们可以在这里禁止所有耶稣传道吗?

  379. d dan 说:
    @Kevin Barrett

    “Sorry, Mr. Pompeo, if you’d given us a thousand prisoners to test it on, instead of just a few dozen, we might have discovered…”

    Two relevant points:

    1. Everyone who has involved in development of complex technical systems/products (e.g. biotech, IT systems, hardware design, organizational workflow…) knows that there will always be multiple iterations/ versions / blocks / variants being developed / produced before the final release: e.g. version 0.1, 0.2, alpha version, beta, release 1.0, 1.1,…. If SARS-CoV-2 is a bioweapon, or even just a peaceful medical research project for gain of functions (or whatever purposes), it is almost certain that there are multiple variants of the virus sitting in the labs somewhere in the world today. Almost equally certain, all these variants or strains of virus will have (slightly or substantially) different behaviors and characteristics in terms of infection rates R0, mortality rates, etc. Conceivably, a lab leak, or even multiple leaks could release different variants, and a bio-attack, or multiple attacks could also involve multiple variants.

    2. If it is a bioweapon, it is also almost certain that the designers would need to validate the “features” on some human subjects, preferably in some real living environments (rather than just prisons or other artificial conditions). As evil and notorious as Fort Detrick (e.g. it has a department calls 731, inheriting many projects from the infamous Unit 731 from Japan), it is at least currently and nominally under the supervision of CDC. Gone are the days when US military were allowed to spray bio or chemical weapons in the streets of San Francisco to test the results. That is how the vast networks of oversea bio-labs come in handy. They are ran and own by US military, located in poor, corrupted countries. In contrast to Fort Detrick, they are not under the jurisdiction of US government and don’t need to comply to US laws. If any testing was needed, it was definitely much easier to be done in those countries. Unsurprisingly, there were many reports of strange illness in many of these places.

    Both the above points argue that it is entirely consistent that the Wuhan outbreak was a bio-attack, and yet there are plenty of cases of Covid-19 or Covid-19-like illness reported in many parts of the world before the Wuhan outbreak.

    • 同意: Mulga Mumblebrain, idrankwhat
  380. Iris 说:
    @Chrisnonymous

    The environmental contamination with SARS-CoV2 is undisputable and proven.
    The virus being brought to Wuhan through the food cold chain is actually one of the WHO experts main work hypothesis:

    https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus/origins-of-the-virus
    页8:

    Environmental sampling in Huanan market from right at the point of its closing showed out of 923 environmental samples in Huanan market, 73 samples were positive. This revealed widespread contamination of surfaces with SARS-CoV-2, compatible with introduction of the virus through infected people, infected animals or contaminated products.

    • 回复: @Wild Man
  381. Bazinga 说:
    @Ron Unz

    罗恩

    我开始认为你不能遵循基本论点。 他们的整个模型建立在模拟一个 *人畜共患病* 病原。 你应该查一下zoonotic的定义。 

    [更多]

    这就是我所说的基于该概念的分子钟分析的意思:

    最近的共同祖先的分子测年通常被认为是新出现疾病的索引病例的同义词。 但是,亚利桑那大学生态与进化生物学教授迈克尔·沃罗贝(Michael Worobey)博士说:“索引病例可以想象早于共同祖先-实际爆发的第一例病例可能已经发生了数天,数周甚至数月之久。在估计的共同祖先之前。 确定“系统融合”的长度是我们研究的核心。”

    如果你有一种人畜共患病原体,那么病毒从一个单一的“零号病人”开始,然后继续前进。 这使得通过简单的分子测年分析很难确定初始时期,因为找到最常见祖先的时间不足以确定索引案例。

    还记得你在之前一篇关于你的生物武器概念的文章的评论中对我说的话吗? 你认为所涉及的人最初可能感染了 8-15 个人。 除了你引用的这篇文章指出,到 4 月 1 日感染人数中位数小于 1。到 9 月 XNUMX 日,病例中位数为 XNUMX。因此,你引用的这篇文章完全推翻了你的生物武器论点。 为什么你不能理解这超出了我的理解,但你之前提出了这个要求,如果你诚实的话,你应该坚持下去。 这就是人畜共患病和生物武器之间的区别,所以我不确定你为什么说我有误解。

    如果你说你觉得美国只感染了一个人,模拟有 70% 的机会逐渐消失,那就是你的决定。 我想让你澄清一下美国最初感染了多少人,什么时候感染,这样我们终于可以平息了,但我觉得你会像变色龙一样改变你的观点。

    • 回复: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @utu
  382. Wild Man 说:
    @Iris

    So the WHO expert’s hypothesis does not discount the claim, that the environmental contamination found at the Huanan market, could have been eventuated solely by infected people?

    • 回复: @Iris
  383. @Bazinga

    What if ‘patient zero’ was a humanised mouse, with human ACE2 receptors in a mouse body? By the by, has anyone seen the brief Chinese video on the collaboration between Fort Detrick and the infamous Unit 731 in China, the Japanese bio-warfare lab that practised human vivisection ie live dissection, even of children, after Japan’s defeat? The US rushed ‘experts’ from Fort Detrick to the facility, hoovered up their ‘research’ findings (100,000 pages) and gave the top dogs like Shiro Ishii safe passage to the USA and continuing sanctuary to carry on his work. ‘Our Western Moral Values’ at their finest.

    • 回复: @Ben the Layabout
  384. @Iris

    Does a linear regression analysis hold true if the first umpteen generations of the virus are occurring, not in humans, but in humanised mice, with human ACE2 receptors? The thing was exquisitely adapted to humans from the get go.

    • 回复: @Iris
  385. lysias 说:
    @Wild Man

    In the 2011 Hollywood movie “Contagion,” the solution to the pandemic turns out to be a vaccine from WHO and CDC, and the skeptic (called a “conspiracy theorist”) who urges other remedies turns out to be a crook who is just in it for the money and ends up being arrested for securities fraud.

    They were preparing the public for a covid-like event already then.

  386. Anon62 说:

    WHO Revisits Puzzling COVID-Positive Blood Samples From Pre-Pandemic Italy in Origins Hunt

    WHO scientists are taking a harder look at a set of blood tests taken in Italy in October 2019 that later tested positive for antibodies against SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19.

    On Tuesday, WHO officials confirmed they were in contact with a group of scientists in Italy who published a shocking report last November revealing that several blood tests collected as part of a lung cancer screening program months before the first cases of COVID-19 were detected in Italy had mysteriously tested positive for antibodies the body produces to fight SARS-CoV-2.

    Their report, published by the Italian National Cancer Institute in its magazine Tumori Journal, found that 111 of 959 samples in the trial showed the unique spike protein SARS-CoV-2 uses to infect cells in the human body were present in the patient’s blood, and that tests of other similar coronaviruses were negative. That would mean that the patients had contracted and recovered from COVID-19 by the time of the October blood tests, signaling that COVID-19 was circulating in northern Italy in September 2019 – six months before the first cases were detected in Milan in February 2020.

    https://sputniknews.com/europe/202106021083060943-who-revisits-puzzling-covid-positive-blood-samples-from-pre-pandemic-italy-in-origins-hunt/

    The samples are presently being re-tested to confirm the original findings.

    This reporting is also suported by water treatment plant preserved samples of intake water. The virus is shed in fecal matter and was detected in water samples obtained prior to October 2019 in both France and Italy.

    This suggests the virus was circulating undetected prior to its identification in Wuhan, China.

    This evidence raises questions about strange “pneumonia” and “vaping illnesses” reported in the US in the summer of 2019 with the first of these reports occuring around the time the Fort Detrick military bio-lab was ordered shutdown by the CDC.

    The COVID outbreak may have been a lab release but this evidence suggests the lab responsible was other than the lab in Wuhan.

    The Americans have every incentive to ignore this evidence and assign blame to China. The louder the megaphone the better to drown out rational conclusions.

    This evidence also delivers circumstantial evidence to support the thesis the participants at the Wuhan military games introduced the virus to China either intentionally or accidentally. The hotel accomodations for these atheletes was located in the area of the Wuhan fish market. The primary mode of transportaion between accomodations and the venue was likely via the Wuhan metro system.

    • 同意: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • 谢谢: Harold Smith, Brás Cubas
  387. @utu

    I would far prefer the expertise and experience of groups like the FLCCC who whole-heartedly support Ivermectin, to a bunch of Big Pharma stooges or wannabes. The next thing you’ll be quoting the Surgisphere fraud to oppose HCQ.

  388. One-off 说:
    @Bolteric

    有趣的。 我不知道 …。 关于混合 2/6 混合的事情是……如果议程是 vaxx(更准确地说……如果议程是 vaxx 编程人体产生的有毒刺突蛋白……并且所有 vaxx 都这样做)……。 . 并且刺突蛋白的毒性取决于病毒毒株来源,...... 然后人们会假设肇事者控制了病毒株源…… 那真的是泄漏吗? 更像是一种故意行为——对吧?

    议程是/曾经是经济权力攫取,或多或少接近完成。 病毒和疫苗是达到目的的手段。 当机会出现时,该技术很容易使用。 记忆中,2008年的疫情第一次引起了很多关于是否在病毒上使用mRNA技术的讨论,据说风险太大。 毫无疑问,为全球主义者服务的国家警察机器当时还没有准备好。

    I totally agree with your point about malice. Withholding therapeutics that were low risk and known to work is beyond the pall, and “malice” doesn’t begin to describe it.

    I have thought, and still lean this way, there was an action plan ready the first time a virus presented that could be used as a pretext to grab power. Really, this has just been the realization of what was the end game with “Climate Change.” You are absolutely right as to who is behind it, and the motivation.

    You are seeing other actions taken now to consolidate power. The financial houses snapping up real estate, the alleged Russian hacks of various industries slated for destruction, and so on, are a continuation of what started in March 2020. Look for more riots to wipe out small businesses this summer; I think that’s a primary objective not achieved yet.

    这太可怕了,我们正在经历一场真正的噩梦。

    • 同意: Skeptikal, Ace
    • 回复: @Wild Man
  389. @utu

    In that same article, Cole informs us that random sampling from surfaces at the infamous Wuhan wet market yielded numerous positive Covid-19 tests. If true, this detracts significantly from the lab leak theory. I tend to take Cole seriously despite his humorous writing. Not sure what the source is though.

    • 回复: @utu
    , @Brás Cubas
  390. @Wizard of Oz

    I wonder if that doesn’t say more about you and your state of mind than the reality.

    Mulga Mulgabrain does express his position rather emphatically, but to be fair, his frustration with the dire predicament we seem to be in is understandable.

    It appears that the globalist faction of the Australian political class has the upper hand right now, with virtual capitulation to the Davos crowd’s agenda and the Corona Chan insanity across at least the southern Australian states, and certainly enjoying bipartisan support at the Federal level. The incestuous rot is palpable, with the Victorian Chief Health Officer’s sister-in-law being on the National Coronavirus Advisory Panel while at the same time literally being on the Gates Foundation payroll.

    The virtually unconditional bipartisan support for kicking China in the nuts at every opportunity shows the incredible lack of concern by the Federal political fraternity for Australia’s sovereign interests and the general welfare of the Australian common folk. Our ruling elite clearly clearly give Team America’s ® approval much higher priority than Australia’s prosperity and security.

    In truth, however, and as you seem to suggest, there is an ongoing battle for the soul of the Australian people. I personally note an undercurrent of rebellion against the direction that Australia is being dragged, as more people begin to open their eyes and comprehend the wider reality beyond the orchestrated facade presented by our controlled media organs.

    IMO Australia really needs a charismatic leader with backbone and genuine dedication to the country’s people to step in from left field, kick arse and set things right. I’ve been waiting ever since they knifed Gough Whitlam in the back.

    还在等。

    • 回复: @nsa
  391. utu 说:
    @Bazinga

    论文中的模拟结果

    湖北省 SARS-CoV-2 指数病例的时间(23 年 2021 月 XNUMX 日)

    https://health.ucsd.edu/news/releases/Pages/2021-03-18-novel-coronavirus-circulated-undetected-months-before-first-covid-19-cases-in-wuhan-china.aspx

    “分子钟”是一种技术术语,该技术使用基因的突变率来推断两种或多种生命形式何时发生分歧——在这种情况下,本研究估计,当 SARS-CoV-2 的所有变体的共同祖先存在时早在 11月中旬2019.

    “Based on this work, the researchers estimate that the median number of persons infected with SARS-CoV-2 in China was 到 4 年 2019 月 XNUMX 日不到一. Thirteen days later, it was four individuals, and just nine on December 1, 2019. The first hospitalizations in Wuhan with a condition later identified as COVID-19 occurred in mid-December”

    应该驳斥 2019 月下旬在武汉举行的 XNUMX 年世界军人运动会期间的播种。

    他们的结果与 Domenico Benvenuto 等人的结果没有太大区别。 已于 2020 年马赫发布:

    2019-nCoV 的全球传播:分子进化分析
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32048560/

    “In agreement with epidemiological observations, the most likely geographic origin of the new outbreak was the city of Wuhan, China, where 2019-nCoV time of the most recent common ancestor emerged, according to molecular clock analysis, around November 25th, 2019. ”

    它还使用了分子钟方法和 2020 年 2021 月已经可用的数据。 Pekar 等人的新内容。 XNUMX论文?

    人们应该问这样的重建有多准确、多稳健。 他们是否考虑了缺失数据,因为早期感染的 RNA 未知,并且并非所有患者都在 2019 年 2020 月下旬和 XNUMX 年 XNUMX 月上旬被识别或测试。反向推断本质上是不准确的、不稳定的,甚至病态的。 因此,它们必须用通常是人为的数据和假设进行正则化和约束。 Pekar 等人吗? 当所有假设和参数都受到质疑和变化时,当一些数据故意丢失并添加额外的假数据时,对他们的结果进行诚实的稳健性测试吗?

    没有一种上帝赐予的方法是正确的,尤其是当数据不完整且我们的知识有限时。 这是一篇论文,研究了推断系统发育树根的不同方法。

    评估 SARS-CoV-2 系统发育根源的不确定性(2020 年 XNUMX 月)
    https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/38/4/1537/6028993?login=true

    我们研究了几种不同的 SARS-CoV-2 树根策略,并为所有方法提供了统计不确定性的度量。 我们表明基于分子钟的方法倾向于将根置于 B 进化枝中,而基于外群根的方法倾向于将根置于 A 进化枝中。

    先前的分析对系统发育的根源得出了不同的结论。 尽管使用外群的分析达到了一个位置(Shen et al. 2020; Tang et al. 2020; Yu et al. 2020; Zhang et al. 2020),但使用中点生根的分析达到了另一个位置(Li、Zai、Zhao,等人 2020;Li、Zai、Wang 等人 2020 年;Nie 等人 2020 年),还有其他使用贝叶斯分子钟的分析已经达到了根的不同位置(Benvenuto 等人 2020;Giovanetti 等人. 2020;Lemey 等人,2020 年;Li, Li 等人,2020 年)。

    在这种情况下,外群将倾向于被放置在内群树的最长分支上。 特别是在病毒中,由于它们的高突变率,识别与内群序列足够密切相关的外群序列以允许可靠的生根可能具有挑战性。 外群生根的另一种方法是分子钟生根,它基于这样一个假设:突变以近似恒定的速率发生,或以可以使用统计模型建模和预测的速率发生

    这样做有几个挑战。 首先,也是最重要的是,早期出现的病毒株之间几乎没有变异,这对分子钟和外群生根构成挑战。 其次,尽管最近的外群序列 (RmYN02) 与 SARS-CoV-97.2 有 2% 的同一性(Zhou, Chen, et al. 2020),但同义差异 > 11% 表明存在明显的同质性,为外群生根。 第三,目前尚不清楚分子钟假设是否适用于人畜共患病转移后的早期阶段,此时选择可能非常强。 最后,冠状病毒经历了大量重组

    请注意,外群生根的四种方法在很大程度上是兼容的(图 2)。 大多数自举复制将根放在两个位置之一:在一个进化枝中,通向三个日本序列、两个来自美国的序列、两个深圳序列和一个北京序列(自举比例在 0.068 和 0.184 之间变化,后验概率0.0413) 并且在一个分支中导致两个华盛顿序列、一个上海序列和一个浙江序列(自举比例在 0.074 和 0.142 之间变化,后验概率为 0.0363)。 考虑到 SARS-CoV-2 的首次爆发是在武汉发现的,这些根源在流行病学上都不太可信。

    他们获得了关于根年龄的截然不同的推论。

    根据分子钟: “we infer the root age of the molecular clock rooting to be in 2019 年 2019.794 月中旬 (XNUMX) with a 95% confidence interval of [2019.225, 2020.363] and we estimate the rate of evolution to be 5.470 × 10−4 substitutions per site per year with a 95% confidence interval of [3.049 × 10−4, 7.891 × 10−4].”

    根据外群生根: “The inferred root age of the outgroup rooting is much earlier than other estimates, in 2019年2019.632月中旬(XNUMX), with a much wider 95% confidence interval of [2017.632, 2020.469], an indication of greater uncertainty and less molecular clock signal. We estimate the rate of evolution for the outgroup rooting to be 3.547 × 10−4 substitutions per site per year with a 95% confidence interval of [1.112 × 10−4, 5.969 × 10−4].”

    “The results are qualitatively similar to the results inferred from the BEAST analysis in figure 1B, which also give an older inferred root age when the tree has a root is in clade A (mean age 2019.769) than when it is in clade B (mean age 2019.827) (supplementary fig. S1, Supplementary Material online).”

    最后他们认为 “For that reason we consider the rooting in Clade B, as estimated in molecular clock analyses, and implied in standard phylodynamic analyses (e.g., Lemey et al. 2020), to be the most plausible rooting.”

    但是他们建议谨慎: “…as a root in Clade B cannot be excluded based on the phylogenetic evidence alone, it might be prudent to avoid strong inferences regarding the early divergence of SARS-CoV-2 based on a fixed rooting in either the A or the B clade, and analyses based on the outgroup rooting should be avoided until outgroups more closely related to SARS-CoV-2 have been discovered.”
    _________________

    我不会对 Pekar 等人感到太兴奋。 纸并认为它为您提供了一把可以杀死 Ron Unz 的龙的剑是愚蠢的。

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
    , @Bazinga
  392. gay troll 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Do you think the CDC will un-redact their report on the lab leaks at Fort Detrick?

    Thereby allowing the public to know which Federal Select Agent was “released” from BSL containment due to a failure thereof?

    You have acknowledged that, according to your theory, SARS 2 was most likely developed at Fort Detrick. You have also acknowledged the BSL containment breaches at Fort Detrick in 2019. Occam’s razor insists upon the possibility that these breaches were the source of the virus, especially since an 原因不明 epidemic of COVID-like pneumonia arose in the U.S. soon after USAMRIID was shut down by the CDC.

    But instead you hang your hat on official euphemisms, denying that “containment breach” is SYNONYMOUS with “leak”. You also ignore the issue of redaction, as if no information is being withheld by the federal government.

  393. Ace 说:
    @Ron Unz

    I would welcome the spotlight being shone on what it is we do at Fr. Detrick. While we’re at it we can take a hard look at the Supreme Court’s record of hostility to liberty, worship of the central state, and obsequiousness toward the plutocracy; the destructiveness of the Fed; and the Dept. of Justice’s inexplicable blindness where monopolies are concerned. The pension disaster also bears looking into as is the question why taxpayers are obligated to pony up for munificent pensions for public employees. While we’re at it we should ask Chuck and Nancy where things stand with that Herculean labor to accomplish comprehensive immigration law reform. Surely by now there’s a rough draft of the bill for us to look at. Sarcasm not direct at you.

    I once believed implicitly in the righteousness of all that we did during the Cold War but, to borrow from a Warren Buffett, “You only find out who is swimming naked when the tide goes out.” The removal of the Soviet enemy left the real nature of the MICC complex exposed, esp. when it refused to stand down, retrench, and use a smidgen of creativity to put together something more workable than the approach advocated by Gen. Jack Keane. The looting of Russia and the expansion of NATO to Russia’s doorstep, 除其他外,, revealed a pettiness, venality, shortsightedness, and stupidity that was just epic. It’s hard to believe but I think this grotesque version of the American constitutional republic was there all along. Gen. Butler would no doubt agree.

    Thus, no citizen can afford anything but a turbocharged skepticism about anything and everything done or said by “our” government. Our security and law enforcement organs are manifestly enemies of the republic, as are the MSM and entities like the SPLC, the ADL, and AIPAC. So anything that exposes the crown jewels of the political class is a positive good. And it’s not just Detrick but the whole sordid network of biological research facilities that appears to dot the planet. What goes on there? Something greasy, I suspect, like our ardent support for ISIS and the White Helmets in Syria.

    While we’re at it the facility where Epstein spent his last moments of despondency could favor us with an analysis of the physics of how you can hang yourself by attaching paper sheets to something just three feet from the floor.

    So it’s a much larger issue. As gcjohns1971 commented on ZeroHedge 二月里:

    我们国家政治机构中的小气、自负、贪婪、神经质、痴迷、腐败和懦弱的居民继承了 6000 年历史上财富、工业、善意和军事力量的最大集中,并在一代人的时间内挥霍殆尽。

    They believe themselves superior.

    Let’s look at it ALL.

    • 同意: Wild Man
    • 谢谢: Skeptikal, RichardDuck
    • 回复: @Emslander
  394. utu 说:
    @Jefferson Temple

    “我倾向于认真对待科尔” – Sure, if he is your enemy you better each your back. But whatever he says it must be verified. He has no moral spine and no scruples to stop him from saying or doing what just suits this purpose. He is not really human.

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
    , @Jefferson Temple
  395. Wild Man 说:
    @One-off

    Yes …. I mostly see it as you have described.

    One thing though … on the means to an end ….. they gotta kill people with the virus – why? They gotta kill people with the wrong-headed covid polices -why? And they do that so as to ensure they can go on to kill or maim people who get adverse reactions to the toxic spike protein as progammed by the vaxx – why?

    I see it – yet it’s all so nuts. Damn is this ever weird. What is going on?

    • 回复: @Skeptikal
    , @One-off
  396. Ron Unz 说:
    @utu

    “Based on this work, the researchers estimate that the median number of persons infected with SARS-CoV-2 in China was less than one until November 4, 2019. Thirteen days later, it was four individuals, and just nine on December 1, 2019. The first hospitalizations in Wuhan with a condition later identified as COVID-19 occurred in mid-December”

    应该驳斥 2019 月下旬在武汉举行的 XNUMX 年世界军人运动会期间的播种。

    Sure. The reason I cited that particular journal article is not that I’m claiming it’s better than all the others, but it was the first that came up when I Googled something like “first Wuhan covid case.” So the Pekar article seemingly represents today’s “mainstream narrative”, whether correct or incorrect.

    Also, note the subtitle of the article: “Study dates emergence to as early as October 2019; simulations suggest in most cases zoonotic viruses die out naturally before causing a pandemic”

    And with regard to the paragraph “Bazinga” excerpted about November 4 as the start date: “However, said co-author Michael Worobey, PhD, professor of ecology and evolutionary biology at University of Arizona: “The index case can conceivably predate the common ancestor.” And summarizing their results:

    “通过结合这些不同的证据,我们能够确定 2019 年 2 月中旬 SARS-CoV-19 开始在湖北省传播的上限……地区性报纸报道表明,湖北的 COVID-17 诊断至少可以追溯到2019 年 XNUMX 月 XNUMX 日。”

    So the current mainstream estimate is late Oct/early Nov for Patient Zero, just as I was claiming.

    Maybe all our academic scientists and public health experts are entirely wrong. I’d need to see some solid evidence from a random anonymous commenter on my website to persuade me of that.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  397. Refl 说:
    @Anastasia

    The fact that the media and government are now embracing the lab leak story is an excellent reason for not believing it.

    Their labeling it “conspiracy theory” then, and a legitimate story now were both based upon the same factual fundament, known then and known now.

    The author says, “the virus killed millions”. One could easily argue that the virus did not kill millions, but the measures killed many and certainly killed the economy of most western nations. As a matter of fact, one could show with good evidence that the Executive Orders of the various states (all were the same), and the directives of federal health care agencies were all designed to kill people.

    I kindly ask for this comment to be given a bronced frame!

    Wishfull thinking of mine, oh silly me…

  398. Ron Unz 说:
    @utu

    “我倾向于认真对待科尔” ——当然,如果他是你的敌人,你最好各自为战。 但无论他说什么,都必须得到证实。 他没有道德脊梁,也没有任何顾忌来阻止他说或做符合这个目的的事情。 他不是真正的人类。

    I hadn’t previously looked at the two Cole columns, and I tend to agree with your appraisal. They contain a lot of insults, ranting, and claims, but there’s no way to know whether material is real, exaggerated, or fictional. He really strikes me as a pathological liar and propagandist. Didn’t he once fake his own death or something strange like that?

    With regard to his supposed evidence from the Wet Markets, it’s possible that Wade missed it when he was producing his 11,000 word article. But I also don’t remember reading anything about it in Nicholson Baker’s 12,000 word cover-story in 纽约杂志, which surely employs many fact-checkers. And it also seemed absent from Philippe Lemoine’s 31,000 word series in Quillette.

    If those claims were regarded as solid and significant by experts, I find it difficult to believe that they wouldn’t have been discussed in the 54,000 words by Wade, Baker, and Lemoine.

  399. Ace 说:
    @utu

    From what you quoted relating to HCQ the studies appear to have focused on HCQ alone. If memory serves me, HCQ was not intended to be administered alone but in conjunction with zinc and a certain antibiotic. And early in the progress of the disease.

    The first linked article mentions neither zinc nor any antibiotic. “Most trials investigated HCQ or CQ in hospitalized patients” as the report states which may be an indication that the study focused on patients whose diseased had progressed significantly past the point of initial manifestation of symptoms.

    Also, the report states “This meta-analysis does not address prophylactic use nor other outcomes besides mortality.” I thought the point of HCQ plus zinc and an antibiotic was that it was effective precisely in a prophylactic rather than curative role. I don’t know the meaning of “outcomes besides mortality.”

    The famous Lancet study was garbage because it employed extremely high dosages of HCQ which is an extremely safe drug at much lower dosages, namely, normal dosages. That doesn’t mean this study is trash but it’s proof that a dishonest agenda can be found in prestigious medical journals.

    • 同意: Mr. Anon
    • 回复: @utu
  400. Ace 说:
    @Wild Man

    Thank you for your effort to create that summary. What I find amazing is the lack of a process by which this amazing, science-based, technologically adept nation engaged in anything like keeping score. Absolutely no process ever came to light whereby informed experts gradually fleshed out our national understanding of what was happening. Instead, what was “our” official take on things seemed to be merely what Dr. Fauci had to say at any one moment and I believe that had a tendency to fluctuate at times.

    PS — If you want to look at our national elite a al your point 6 there’s no better place to start than this incredible article by Diana West. It takes a strong stomach to read it.

    • 回复: @One-off
    , @Skeptikal
  401. Skeptikal 说:
    @Wild Man

    Re “What is going on? ”

    Dr. Peter McCullough: “Something is going on here.”

    Buffalo Springfield: “Something’s happening here, what it is ain’t exactly clear.”

    你可以再说一遍。

    People who I think ought to know better set up a cartoonish strawman with phrases such as “Karl Schwab, a ridiculous James Bond type figure” to, it seems to me, head off serious attempts to figure out the outlines of the network/cabal/group of conspirators that is pushing hard to change/transform/undermine a number of nations and their citizens.

    Catherine Austin Fitts, on conspiracies (this was binned earlier):

    “I was trained as a portfolio strategist—so I map my world by watching the financial flows and allocation of resources. I was also trained as a conspiracy generator and foot soldier—conspiracies being the fundamental organizing principle of how things get done in our world. It was not until I left the establishment that I learned that those not in the club had been trained to disparage and avoid conspiracies—a clever trick that sabotages their efforts to gather power.”

    https://home.solari.com/deep-state-tactics-101-the-covid-injection-fraud-its-not-a-vaccine/

  402. One-off 说:
    @Wild Man

    I see it – yet it’s all so nuts. Damn is this ever weird. What is going on?

    I don’t know. It may be no more complicated (albeit chilling, to be clear) than collateral damage to consolidate economic and political power. This is one of those hinge points where the opacity will not allow for satisfactory analysis until much time has passed, if then.

    • 谢谢: Wild Man
  403. What a strange coincident. The anthrax used as part of the 9/11 false flag was also traced back to Ft. Detrick.

  404. Schuetze 说:
    @Schuetze

    Here is an update from Rick Wiles on the victim list of the hidden elite’s hit on Trunews:

    “Although I rejoice that Jesus has delivered me, my wife Susan is still very fatigued. Daughter in law Tiana was transported to the hospital very early this morning with extreme dehydration and vomiting. She’s home now but Jeremy has now developed symptoms. My son-in-law, Marshall, is very weak. Grandson Blake too. Daughter Karissa not feeling great. Edward Szall is very sick. Three members of our team are recovering.

    This was a full-frontal hit from Hell on your TruNews family. Because Jesus Christ lives in us, we shall live too. Your prayers are needed for the above family members and team.”

    I count 11 members of the Trunews team that were hit hard with a Covid Cluster Bomb. Certainly there are more. The timing, severity and breadth of this hit can not be merely coincidence, and as Master Mason Franklin Roosevelt famously stated: “In Politics nothing happens by accident”.

    Again I say to Ron Unz: be very careful and take your vitamins.

  405. One-off 说:
    @Ace

    @野人
    Thank you for your effort to create that summary. What I find amazing is the lack of a process by which this amazing, science-based, technologically adept nation engaged in anything like keeping score. Absolutely no process ever came to light whereby informed experts gradually fleshed out our national understanding of what was happening. Instead, what was “our” official take on things seemed to be merely what Dr. Fauci had to say at any one moment and I believe that had a tendency to fluctuate at times.

    PS — If you want to look at our national elite a al your point 6 there’s no better place to start than this incredible article by Diana West. It takes a strong stomach to read it.

    Seconded, both as to the thanks given to Wild Man for his list and as to your content. Not only was there no attempt to keep score, the pathetic results were memoryholed, sometimes hourly. If someone were cynical, they would assume the endgame was all that mattered, which of course is true.

    Something seems about to explode into the public domain that appears to have forced at least some acknowledgment that mistakes were made. A few disparate things recently seem interconnected: the rolling disclosures about potential spread prior to November 2019, the absolute targeting of Bill Gates from someone(s) inside that perimeter, and the same apparently happening to Fauci. No clue why, though, which is how it is when you live in a totalitarian state and propaganda and opaque machinations force you to look at the official narrative as a distorted riddle rather than a reflection of reality.

    • 回复: @Ace
  406. utu 说:
    @Ron Unz

    我找到了这个:

    https://www.livescience.com/covid-19-did-not-start-at-wuhan-wet-market.html
    A number of early cases of the outbreak in Wuhan were tied to the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market. Later, researchers took environmental samples that suggested the virus had landed on surfaces in the market. But in the period since, tissue samples from the market’s animals have revealed no trace of the virus. For the virus to jump from animals to humans, the animals have to actually be carrying it.

    Is it possible that environment in Wuhan market was contaminated by sick people who worked there and shopped there but the mode of transmission was not from surface to humans but from humans to humans?

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-04/where-are-we-in-hunting-for-the-coronavirus-s-origin-quicktake
    Of the first 174 known cases of Covid-19, 51 or 33% had links to the Huanan seafood market. In fact, it was a cluster of pneumonia-like illness among people connected to the so-called wet market that heralded the contagion. The market had 678 stalls and more than 1,180 employees supplying seafood products as well as fresh fruit and vegetables, meat, live animals and grocery items. (It was shut down at 1 a.m. on Jan. 1, 2020.)

    Since the first known Covid-19 case preceded that by four days, it’s possible that the virus was introduced to the market by an already infected person — potentially a trader or a visitor not showing symptoms — who passed it to others. Testing after the market was closed found widespread contamination of the floor, walls, chopping boards and cleaning tools compatible with the virus being transmitted from infected people to surfaces.

    Of the 336 samples collected from animals, none were positive for SARS-CoV-2, but it’s possible that not enough samples were taken.

    When the Wuhan market was in the center of media attention early in January transmission via fomites and not via droplets and aerosols was emphasized. Later when some German professor studied samples of fomites in small town that was hit hard with Covid-19 he could not find many viruses on surfaces so since then the focus was shifted to transmission via air. At that time masking was still not considered as necessary preventive measure in the West.

    COVID-19 rarely spreads through surfaces. So why are we still deep cleaning? (29 January 2021)
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00251-4

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  407. utu 说:
    @Ace

    Effect of High-Dose Zinc and Ascorbic Acid Supplementation vs Usual Care on Symptom Length and Reduction Among Ambulatory Patients With SARS-CoV-2 Infection. (February 12, 2021)

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2776305

    “In this randomized clinical trial of ambulatory patients diagnosed with SARS-CoV-2 infection, treatment with high-dose zinc gluconate, ascorbic acid, or a combination of the 2 supplements did not significantly decrease the duration of symptoms compared with standard of care.”

    • 回复: @mapman
    , @Ace
  408. Ron Unz 说:
    @utu

    Is it possible that environment in Wuhan market was contaminated by sick people who worked there and shopped there but the mode of transmission was not from surface to humans but from humans to humans?

    Sure, that’s pretty much the impression I’d gotten from the MSM, plus the very lengthy articles by Wade, Baker, and Lemoine.

    Since I’m absolutely no expert on these public health/virological/epidemiological issues, I feel it’s safer for me to rely upon the months of investigation and analysis done by others who seem fairly solid and reliable rather than trying to read and digest a huge bunch of academic journal articles, and then decide for myself which are the most authoritative and persuasive.

    But offhand I’d say that the links you quickly found are a lot more credible than Cole’s angry ranting, especially since he provided no source for his claims.

    • 回复: @JohnnyWalker123
  409. @utu

    As I said, I don’t know what Cole’s source is because he doesn’t give it. And yes, he is insulting but that is just the way he writes. To my knowledge, Cole gained his 15 minutes of fame by being a vocal Jewish holocaust denier and that takes balls no matter who you are. I’d love to know where he got his information but in this episode of wall-to-wall lies I’m staying open to many possibilities. It’s pitiful of you to deny the man’s humanity. Explain?

    • 同意: Wizard of Oz
  410. @utu

    I haven’t looked at your references because I don’t have the expertise to evaluate them but I do know of intelligent, sincere, accomplished doctors who say the opposite, including 彼得·麦卡洛博士梅丽尔·纳斯博士. The later has been featured a few times on Kevin Barrett’s radio show here on the Unz Review.

    Mainstream sources, which tend to engage in group-think rather than real-think, are not automatically reliable. Remember the article published in 柳叶刀“ about HCQ that had to be withdrawn: it was a complete fraud! That probably doesn’t apply to the articles you cite but the 柳叶刀“ case dramatically illustrates that the medical establishment is prejudiced against Covid-19 treatments and preventatives.

    • 同意: Skeptikal, Ace
    • 回复: @utu
  411. Bolteric 说:
    @Ron Unz

    不管什么原因我买了他的书 共和党动物 来自二手零售商。 我不能说我已经走了很远。

  412. @Ron Unz

    What are your thoughts on the Fauci e-mails?

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  413. Dumbo 说:
    @Ron Unz

    That sounds ridiculous to me

    I’m just reporting with the Times of India said, about vaccinated people becoming “silent spreaders”. Maybe complain to them?

    I have no idea about the current situation in India.

    However, if the virus was man-made and is a bio-weapon, wouldn’t it make sense to develop a vaccine at the same time? Wouldn’t that explain how fast the vaccine was made? Mr. Ron Unz is silent on that issue.

    I’m not so concerned about the vaccine side effects, they might be minimal for all I know, I am more concerned about “vaccine passports” and the whole idea of conferring full rights and citizenship only to people who perform the annual vaccination ritual (as it will become annual), or what Giorgio Agamben calls the new medical state where all citizens are considered “asymptomatic viral vectors” who must constantly prove their innocence with with a test or certificate.

    • 回复: @Ron Unz
  414. utu 说:
    @Mark Hunter

    Reality is complex. It takes an effort to learn how to navigate through it. One has to learn about phenomena like bias confirmation that affect our perceptions and actions and about placebo that may directly alter manifestation of physical reality.

    There are good reasons why double blind tests became a requirement to test efficacy of treatments. Even the best well intentioned doctors can be fooled and overestimate the efficacy of their treatments. And then there is money factor which brings quacks and charlatans.

    But people fall for them every time because they offer hope and if the charge for their treatment is high their patients may have better outcomes.

    I do not know exactly what is Dr. Peter McCullough’s schtick is but I presume he advocates alternative treatments while I have noticed that Dr. Meryl Nass writes for that conspiracy site in Canada. The first one offers hope while the second one brings up suspiciousness and mistrust about the so called official world. A perfect duo where one scars you while the other one offers hope and salvations.

  415. thotmonger 说:
    @Wild Man

    “we know there is… a supranational globalist cabal…”

    Ron Unz does does not seem to agree, 以机智 this essay where he speculates it is merely a small “rogue” group based in USA. Ha.

    • 回复: @durd
  416. thotmonger 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Not so fast. Was this snappy video illustrating quite a few nations experiencing spikes in “CV19 deaths” right after the deployment of vaccines ever debunked or coherently explained away?

    I understand the “expected” deaths part may be dubious, but the numerous spikes are certainly very very suspicious. (The graph for India starts at 1:47. )

    In any case, I remain concerned about the long term ill effects of such a large scale experiment of vaccinating the entire planet. Should there not be some bonding by the wealthy oligarchs who proclaim its safety? Any takers?

  417. @Anon62

    As to Mr Wade and his reported brilliance can someone please enlighten me with respect to the options foreclosed when he titles an essay: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at 武汉?

    I keep checking back, only to see that my comment (#28) and even a question (#212) directly to Mr. Unz about this are being ignored, too.

    Yet he continues to cite the Wade article in jousting defense of his theories, as the convoluted thread increasingly resembles those that used to grow below the articles by Jonathan Revusky.

    • 回复: @Anon62
    , @Ron Unz
  418. @Jefferson Temple

    Not sure what the source is though.

    His immediate source seems to be the McNeil article, since he provides a link for it. But I suppose you want to know which primary document provided that information; it’s the WHO report (click on the Annexes link in the page below, go to Annex E, page 184):

    WHO-convened global study of origins of SARS-CoV-2: China Part
    https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/who-convened-global-study-of-origins-of-sars-cov-2-china-part

    • 谢谢: Jefferson Temple
  419. @utu

    I think everyone could greatly learn and benefit from listening to what Dr. Peter McCullough, Texas A&M, has to say in this 105 min long interview released on Rumble 05/27/21.

    [更多]

    McCullough presents a powerful opposing viewpoint that is in direct contrast to the thrust of utu’s “golden box” comment.

    WORLD RENOWNED DOCTOR BLOWS LID OFF OF COVID

    https://rumble.com/vhp7y5-full-interview-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html?mref=6gby3&mrefc=4

    I hazard to guess that if 温兹先生 could afford the time to listens to what the highly articulate and understandable Dr. McCullough says in this interview, he would reconsider bestowing that golden box…[perhaps even going so far as to 更换 it with a ‘Black Box’ warning 😉 ?].

    • 同意: Mark Hunter
  420. Emslander 说:
    @Ace

    The pension disaster also bears looking into as is the question why taxpayers are obligated to pony up for munificent pensions for public employees.

    As a public pensioner myself, who is far from getting wealthy on the very humble amount I receive each month, I will explain the reason for pensions, which, before the Fed destroyed our middle class, was not a dishonorable goal for a necessary government employee. In good times, we public servants didn’t share in the prosperity. In the bad times, we had furloughs and pay cuts. As we get older, our pay stagnates, because the political class knows that we’re helpless to bargain for more. In exchange, we look forward to some kind of steady income as a compensation for all that.

    In a prosperous America, we were looked down on as unfortunately poor servants. In the current America, we are vilified. Maybe that explains, but maybe not.

    • 回复: @Ace
  421. Emslander 说:

    It appears, from Fauci’s emails and his lies under oath that there is a much simpler explanation for this international cluster-bomb. He funded research into “gain of function” viruses and then panicked when he saw that one had escaped from Wuhan in late 2019. By the time of the first case in Washington State in January, 2020, he was ready with the grandest obfuscation ever perpetrated by an overpaid political bureaucrat. He rode it as far as he could and now the chickens are coming home to roost for him.

    Try that on, Ron.

  422. @utu

    “the only logical coincidence-based argument”

    “appealing propaganda value”

    So this is all going nowhere slowly.

    The superfluous and inapplicable Orwell reference being some sort of hype or maybe desperation.

  423. @Ron Unz

    But I also don’t remember reading anything about it in Nicholson Baker’s 12,000 word cover-story in New York Magazine, which surely employs many fact-checkers. And it also seemed absent from Philippe Lemoine’s 31,000 word series in Quillette.

    Baker’s article came out in January, and Lemoine’s series is even older. The WHO report came out in March. See my comment #435:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-george-orwells-virus-lab-leak/#comment-4696409

  424. Anon62 说:
    @Greta Handel

    Gretal:

    I believe the popularity of the Wade article is directly attributable to the fact he imposes a desired narrowing of the scope of intellectual query. His 11,000 word article delivers the necessary intellectual authority to substantiate and reinforce a desired bias – China did it. Bad China.

    Americans believe what they want to believe and appear unperturbed by any degree of facticity. One of the few agreed facts in this matter is the following:

    In December 2019, a local pneumonia outbreak of initially unknown aetiology was detected in Wuhan (Hubei, China) and quickly determined to be caused by a novel coronavirus, named severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)2, with the disease referred to as COVID-19.


    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-74050-8

    China detected and identified a novel pathogen. This is agreed fact. The matter of origin is yet to be decided, as is the initial mechanism of spread.

    Wade obfuscates a second critical issue: the question of “people or nature.”

    Evidence in support of nature is found in the following:

    After virus introduction to a given geographic region, a number of unique or narrowly shared mutations accumulate; however, most of them reduce fitness and are removed by purifying selection on a medium- to long-term evolutionary scale, tending to decrease genetic variability.

    同上

    Old Microbiologist, or someone with a better knowledge of the relevant science, may wish to confirm my lay understanding of this statement which amounts to the following: The virus arrives somewhere and proceeds to mutate as it spreads through the population. The viral genome undergoes a process of natural selection as it spreads. The most lethal variants are purified out (because they quickly kill the host and therefore inhibit further viral spread) while less lethal variants come to predominate. Over time, the genotype stabilizes and a dominant and pervasive strain emerges in the locality.

    These subtypes are depicted in the dynamic diagram found at the following URL:
    https://microreact.org/project/f25A3jAvE5TjzxAf38UCEq

    Inspection of the Microreact dynamic graph shows Japan to exhibit a single dominant strain. Current reporting suggests the existence of a UK strain, a South African Strain, and an Indian strain, all of which may, or may not, be more pernicious than the strain first identified in China.

    The Microreact dynamic graph commences with the first emergence in China. I suggest this charting is incorrect. The first 鉴定 occurred in China; that is agreed fact.

    Identification is not synonymous with origin. Origin has yet to be established as has the initial mechanism of spread. There is as yet no evidence to falsify the Unz theory of bio-warfare blowback. Some of the strongest evidence in support of the Unz theory is the apparent deliberate intent at obfuscation and mis-direction. In a global cancel culture, if everyone yells China did it, then it takes a brave individual to suggest an alternate thesis.

  425. mapman 说:
    @utu

    Have a look at the actual paper. It’s a stupid design made to have no statistical power (four treatment groups of N~50 each). VitC consistently shows improvement though, and zinc dose was tiny, only 50 mg zinc gluconate per day; it is argued that for antiviral activity it needs to be taken as ~ 200 mg elemental Zn/day. Zn and weak but not negligible antiviral activity goes back to hundreds of papers showing effects (on flu mainly IIRC).

    And it does no look to be the case of publication bias either.

    Bottom line is: 200 mg Zn per day taken for a week only is not going to harm you. It may help. I’d take if I knew I had Covid.

  426. OK Unz I have looked at your articles and what a complex web they weave… Now you go look at Fauci’s emails…. somehow Fauci and his very emails are missing from your theories of neocons… or rogue military agents etc…

    Yes Everyone does bat research… The fucking WVI included, funded by Fauci…

    Who in his emails to his colleagues seems to do all he can to cover up that the virus seemed to be engineered..

    So if you want to say there was a conspiracy… it might be Fauci and NIH doing it!

    In your next article on this worn out subject which no one will ever know the truth… cover Fauci and why it is or isn’t him…

    • 同意: Emslander
  427. sb 说:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    The reported average age of death by Coronavirus in Australia is in the high 80s
    The average age of death in Australia is in the mid 80s

    I’m pretty sure that for Australia 2020 and 2021 will have a lower than usual death toll

  428. Bazinga 说:
    @utu

    我不会对 Pekar 等人感到太兴奋。 纸并认为它为您提供了一把可以杀死 Ron Unz 的龙的剑是愚蠢的。

    其实仔细一想,确实反驳了他的理论。

    当 Unz 大约一个月前第一次争论他的理论时,我指出如果美国最初用生物武器播种一两个人是多么荒谬,并指出该病毒很可能会消失在其自己的。 

    他回应说,也许美国播种了 10-15 人,这就是整个事情的开始。

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-truth-and-the-whole-truth-on-the-origins-of-covid-19/#comment-4653556

    我认为感染 10-15 名零号患者就足够了,并且考虑到 3-6 天的翻倍时间,它不会对时间表产生太大影响。

    路透社的这篇文章讨论了 2 月 168,000 日发表的一项 PLOS 研究,该研究报告称,大规模检测显示武汉已有 168,000 名居民被感染。 为测试和文章准备留出几天时间,这表明到 XNUMX 月下旬有 XNUMX 例感染。 对我来说,这听起来与 XNUMX 月下旬/ XNUMX 月初爆发的开始非常一致。

    当然,他引用的所有反对我的理论的文章和论文都说9月初只有大约一两个人存在该病毒,而这篇特别的文章表明,XNUMX月初只有XNUMX个人感染了病毒. 所以他对我说的最初的生物武器理论是完全错误和被证伪的。 美国政府进行的最初“播种”的唯一数量一定是很小的,也许只有一两个。

    但是,正如他之前引用的那篇论文所展示的那样,病毒有 70% 的可能性在开始流行之前就已经消失了。 所以,他的理论是,美国政府给中国种下了一种打算毁灭这个国家的生物武器,但只感染了一两个人,有70%的失败几率。 

    这就是为什么我要求罗恩透露他认为有多少人被感染,以及在什么时间被感染,这样就很容易证明或反驳他的理论。 但他知道承认这个数字会让他看起来很可笑,所以他没有这样做。 

    我想即使你也指出,美国有大量的初始感染来最大化 Ro 是有意义的。 哪种情况更有可能是人畜共患感染带有一个初始指示病例,还是只有一种种子的生物武器? 

    这就是为什么,即使你相信他的时间表,我认为他的理论再次被推翻。 当然,如果有证据表明在 10 月底和 15 月初(例如 XNUMX 或 XNUMX 日)有大量感染,那么情况就会改变。

    • 回复: @Iris
    , @utu
  429. I’m pretty sure that for Australia 2020 and 2021 will have a lower than usual death toll

    On the face of it, this is paradoxical, but very likely true.

    I saw a whole bunch of charts showing total annual mortality by nation, and Australia’s and New Zealand’s were both actually down for 2020.

    The key revelation from this, irrespective of the puzzling collateral mortality statistics thrown into the mix (did lockdowns cause a whole bunch of deaths but also prevent a whole lot of otherwise “normal” fatalities?), is that Corona Chan the “pandemic” is a great big nothing-burger.

  430. nsa 说:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    Australians have three very distinct advantages: island, high per capita resource ratio, relatively jew free. The lazy population is the problem. Australians didn’t mind being the Brit’s little bitch (let them test their nukes in the outback), don’t mind being the Yank’s little bitch (Afghanistan) , but balk at being the Chink’s little bitch. Anyone who has resided in Australia understands their motivation for this anomaly.

  431. @GeeBee

    “Well Said – but you’ve got me with ‘BIZWOG’! What the devil does that stand for?”

    英国,以色列世界政府。

  432. Ron Unz 说:
    @Dumbo

    However, if the virus was man-made and is a bio-weapon, wouldn’t it make sense to develop a vaccine at the same time?

    Based on various articles, including those by “OldMicrobiologist” and Whitney Webb, America has been developing virus-based bioweapons, probably for decades. Yet until the current worldwide mad scramble to find a defense against Covid-19, there were supposedly no anti-viral vaccines in existence. So I don’t think your analysis is correct.

    至于一个国家政府在没有准备好防御的情况下实际部署病毒生化武器,我非常怀疑在正常情况下会发生这种情况,因为在这个重大决定所涉及的无休止的官僚计划会议上会有各种各样的反对意见。

    But if it were an exceptionally reckless rogue operation by maybe a tiny group of 4-5 exceptionally reckless Deep State Neocons, it’s much more likely that might have occurred. The Iraq War was also a totally reckless undertaking for America, appropriately described by my old friend Bill Odom, the three star general who ran the NSA for Ronald Reagan, as “the greatest strategic disaster in US history.” And it was orchestrated and promoted by a similarly pretty small group of Neocon activists.

    • 谢谢: Dumbo
    • 哈哈: Emslander
    • 回复: @Vojkan
  433. Ron Unz 说:
    @Greta Handel

    I keep checking back, only to see that my comment (#28) and even a question (#212) directly to Mr. Unz about this are being ignored, too.

    Frankly, I’d already addressed that question at the beginning of my long piece directly focusing on the Wade article:

    A pattern of selective omissions in an otherwise entirely truthful presentation can easily mislead us as much as any outright lie. And under certain circumstances, such omissions may be made necessary by powerful outside forces, so that even the most well-intentioned writer is faced with the difficult choice of either excluding certain elements from his analysis or having his important work denied a proper audience.

    当他准确地说出:

    众所周知,关于其起源有两种主要理论。 一是它从野生动植物自然地跃迁到人们。 另一个是该病毒正在实验室中进行研究,并从中逃脱。

    一段之后,该文本包含他的第一个主要部分的标题为“两种理论的故事”。

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-truth-and-the-whole-truth-on-the-origins-of-covid-19/

    I’d said similar things in my previous articles analyzing the long works of Baker and Lemoine. The point is that if any of these individuals had included even a hint of the possibility that the virus came from America, their work would have never appeared in any respectable venue, nor ever been mentioned by anyone in the media. So they obviously had to weigh the importance of presenting the rest of their analysis against mentioning what I call “the excluded third alternative.”

    As I keep emphasizing, quite a number of somewhat prominent individuals have sent me private notes praising my analysis and saying they find it persuasive, but not a single one has dared say anything publicly.

    • 回复: @Desert Fox
    , @Greta Handel
  434. Desert Fox 说:
    @Ron Unz

    I challenge you to show any source that says covid-19 has been isolated.

    • 同意: John Fisher
  435. Ron Unz 说:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    What are your thoughts on the Fauci e-mails?

    Frankly, I haven’t paid any attention to them and doubt that they’re at all significant.

    For well over a year, everyone has known that our own NIH played a major role funding the viral research at the Wuhan lab, via Daszak’s organization.

    So obviously when the noisy anti-China activists, soon followed by Trump and Pompeo, began loudly claiming that Covid-19 was a lab-leak, the consequences could have been politically disastrous for Fauci. So it’s hardly surprising that Fauci would be happy that the MSM pooh-poohed that theory, and behind the scenes would have supported the “natural virus” scenario.

    Fauci would done this whether the virus was natural or a lab-leak, and I tend to doubt he had any better idea than anyone else. So now that Trump is gone and the MSM has revived the lab-leak theory, he’s in the hot-seat, especially since he’s become a demonic figure to all the anti-mask/anti-lockdown/anti-vaxx activists plus the outright Flu Hoaxers.

    Maybe there’s something dramatic in the leaked Fauci emails, but I’d be surprised.

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  436. R2b 说:

    Sober up folks!
    Not yet has anyone produced a paper, showing an isolated virus.
    Furthermore, no continuation at that, proof of effects in laboratory studies.
    The Koch postulates.
    This is just a maze, you are led into.
    Sober up!
    Don`t drink this poison.

    • 同意: John Fisher
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  437. Emslander 说:
    @Ron Unz

    Maybe there’s something dramatic in the leaked Fauci emails, but I’d be surprised.

    Nothing dramatic, just the evidence against your cockamamy theory and his original claims.

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  438. Iris 说:
    @Bazinga

    我想即使你也指出,美国有大量的初始感染来最大化 Ro 是有意义的。 哪种情况更有可能是人畜共患感染带有一个初始指示病例,还是只有一种种子的生物武器?

    老实说,这没有任何意义。

    如果病毒确实是经过生物工程改造并故意释放的,那么它就会伴随着一种医疗设备,以使病原体能够离散传播。

    Medical devices are a massively-large, mainstream industry, used in particular for the self-administration of pharmaceutical respiratory drugs. There exist all sort of devices which would have allowed to easily spread the virus in an airborne fashion, in proximity of unsuspecting people’s respiratory ways and mucous membranes, so they get contaminated 数百/数千。

    像市场这样的地方本来是理想的污染中心,因为人们往往会靠近。 武汉食品市场可能已成为设计的污染温床。

    并且扩散装置的制造和测试在实验室中很容易进行,例如针对一群雪貂,然后适应人口的高度和社会距离,这样的实验一直在进行; 它们尤其是制药和化妆品行业的基础。

  439. anonymous[202]• 免责声明 说:
    @FB

    Foolish to imagine the military as anything but hired muscle to enforce the Financiers aims.
    See ‘War Is A Racket’ for a refresher course.

    Who was John Perkins working for in ‘Confessions of an Economic Hitman?’ The military?

    BIS are showrunners, telling the other CBs what to do on orders of the gnomes, the “Owners.”

    The military take orders. CIA-MI5/6, etc take orders. Media owners take orders.

    付钱给吹笛者的人会吹奏曲子。

  440. MEH 0910 说:
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  441. MEH 0910 说:
    @MEH 0910

  442. Johan 说:

    The endless discussions about the source of the virus, the existence or non existence, etc. belongs to the domain of small time theorists, no matter how grand the theories are. COVID is, has become instrumental in the further de-vitalizing of a democratic society, which after the heights of its mass orgy, the decades post WWII is naturally swinging towards de-vitalization. COVID is, has become, merely one means of speeding up the de-vitalization of society, there are numerous others.

    Plato already alluded to it in the The Republic

    And without divine help, said Adeimantus, they will go on for ever making and mending their laws and their lives in the hope of attaining perfection.

    The response of a vital society to COVID would be this:

    When a carpenter is ill he asks the physician for a rough and ready cure; an emetic or a purge or a cautery or the knife,—these are his remedies. And if some one prescribes for him a course of dietetics, and tells him that he must swathe and swaddle his head, and all that sort of thing, he replies at once that he has no time to be ill, and that he sees no good in a life which is spent in nursing his disease to the neglect of his customary employment; and therefore bidding good-bye to this sort of physician, he