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布莱克·爱德华兹(Blake Edwards)1961年的电影 蒂凡尼的早餐这部影片是根据杜鲁门·卡波特(Truman Capote)1958年同名小说改编的,她饰演奥黛丽·赫本(Audrey Hepburn),饰演霍莉·戈莱特利(Holly Golightly),她是一位迷人,飘逸,女性化,闹鬼的年轻女子,试图在华丽的Technicolor纽约创造生活和身份这座城市可谓是美国文明的巅峰时期,就在暴跌之前。

我见过 蒂凡尼的早餐 六次,在大屏幕上两次,尽管我每次都喜欢,但在前四次观看中,这部电影在我的记忆中起到了奇怪的作用。 如果你问我什么 蒂法尼早餐s即将发生,我会说这是一部有益健康的浪漫喜剧。 但这不是真的。 是的,它有很多喜剧元素,但总的来说, 蒂凡尼的早餐 是一部非常悲伤和严肃的电影。 正如萨莉·蕃茄(Sally Tomato)所说,霍莉·戈莱特利(Holly Golightly)的一生的故事将是一本“会伤心的书”。 杜鲁门·卡波特的小说确实如此,确实如此令人心碎,以至于布莱克·爱德华兹改写了电影的结尾,给了我们一点希望。

而且,就健康而言,它最终也具有这一点。 但是不知何故我一再忘记了 蒂凡尼的早餐 这是两个淘金者Holly Golightly和她的楼上邻居Paul Varjak经历浪漫灾难的故事,他们俩都通过与老年人和富人发生性关系并从中赚钱而滑到了20多岁。 当然,他们俩都通过在给与性行为和赚钱之间保持谨慎的距离来保持自己的自尊心,以便 quid pro 不太明显。 Capote说,Holly停止了简单的卖淫活动,称她为“美国艺妓”。

Holly和Paul都通过参考任务合理化了他们的选择。 Holly想要购买土地和马匹,并照顾她可爱但缓慢的弟弟Fred(现役军人)。 (这部小说的背景是1943年,所以参军是一件相当危险的事情。)保罗是一位作家,需要一位赞助人给他时间来创作他的长篇小说。 但这是行不通的。 他有作家的障碍。 正如Holly所言,他的打字机甚至都没有色带。

保罗是两者中更骄傲,更认真的人。 冬青是片状部门中的顶级香蕉。 当然,这意味着当保罗爱上霍莉时,保罗在霍莉的手中遭受了巨大的痛苦。

也许错误的回忆归因于亨利·曼奇尼(Henry Mancini)的音乐,该音乐获得了两次奥斯卡奖,并获得了令人难以忘怀的玉米球经典影片《月亮河》(Moon River)的最佳单曲和最佳歌曲,以及约翰尼·默瑟(Johnny Mercer)的歌词,这使整个令人心碎的故事都散发出怀旧的银光。 不管是什么原因,我都对这次失忆表示感谢,因为它已经允许了 蒂凡尼的早餐 每次观看新影片时,都会一次又一次地令我惊讶。

基本情节 蒂凡尼的早餐 很简单乔治·佩帕德(George Peppard)扮演的保罗·瓦雅克(Paul Varjak)曾在北欧风度翩翩起舞,他走进曼哈顿上东区的一间公寓,在楼下的邻居霍莉·格莱特利(Holly Golightly)遇到了他。 冬青树已经在那里住了一年了,但看起来她仍在搬家。那是因为她无根,流浪汉,是片状。 她有一只橙色的猫,但是她没有给他起名字,因为她不想要这个承诺。 她在世界上最喜欢的地方是第五大道上的珠宝商蒂芙尼(Tiffany's)。 她向保罗宣布,如果找到适合自己的蒂芙尼风格的地方,她会扎根并给猫起个名字。 当然,很难想象会有像蒂法尼那样的房屋。 也许是白金汉宫? 简而言之,Holly不太实用。 她安顿下来的条件是一种幻想“永远”的方式。

保罗的公寓也不是“他”。 看起来像是一间昂贵的欧洲酒店房间。 它是由光辉的帕特里夏·尼尔(Patricia Neal)饰演的赞助人费伦森夫人(Failenson夫人)在他到达前装饰的,帕特里夏·尼尔(Patricia Neal)曾在维多尔·金(King Vidor)电影《艾恩·兰德(Ayn Rand)》中 源头)。 这部电影从小说的不知名叙述者中塑造了保罗的性格。 2E和她与保罗的关系是编剧的发明,这极大地加深了角色及其与霍莉的关系,并通过“不可调和的相似性”造成了戏剧性的冲突。

霍莉(Holly)发现保罗是一个富有同情心,有用和表象的邻居。 作为淘金者,他们也有一定的了解。 但是在她眼里,他们共同的生活方式也排除了恋爱关系,因为保罗没有金币,而霍莉则将目光投向了拥有更多钱的年长,丑陋的男人。 对于保罗来说,淘金是一种短期策略,可以让自己的生活起步,到那时,他将和一个好女孩安顿下来并照顾她。 但是,对于Holly来说,淘金是寻找丈夫的长期策略,她会永远照顾她。

最引人入胜的序列之一 蒂凡尼的早餐 是在保罗和霍利的建筑物外面出现一个神秘的跟踪者时。 2E认为她的丈夫正在追随她。 保罗是一位穿着华丽大衣的红血统男性,他正在争夺对抗权。 在东部和中央公园玩完猫猫老鼠后,缠扰者走近保罗,说:“儿子,我需要一个朋友。”

事实证明,由埃迪森(Buddy Ebsen)扮演的缠扰者是德州和霍利的兽医Doc Golightly。 。 。 不,不是她的父亲,她的 丈夫,她14岁时嫁给了她。霍莉(Holly)的真名是卢拉·梅·巴恩斯(Lula Mae Barnes)。 卢拉·梅(Lula Mae)和弗雷德(Fred)是逃亡者,他们出现在Doc的农场里。 Doc是个ower夫,需要帮助。 因此结婚。 Doc追踪了卢拉·梅(Lula Mae),说服她回到“她的丈夫和孩子们”的家中。

霍莉将一无所有。 这段婚姻很久以前就废除了,她不再是卢拉·梅。 她为自己建立了一个全新的身份。 由于好莱坞制片人OJ Berman(Martin Balsam)的帮助,她摆脱了法语课上的Okie口音,并且她拥有一群富有的男性朋友,他们将其归类为“老鼠”和“超级老鼠”。为了她的关注。

当她在灵狮汽车站看到令人心碎的医生时,她告诉他,她是“野兽”,并且永远不要爱上野兽,因为它们只会让您伤心。 实际上,Holly只是一个薄片,不知道自己是谁,也不知道自己想要什么,并且害怕真正的关系和真正的承诺。 伯曼(Berman)认为霍莉(Holly)是一个骗子,但他仍在争论她是否是真正的骗子-一个真正的骗子是相信自己胡说八道的人。

整个过程从令人毛骨悚然,喜剧到老套,再到深刻动人。 这就是这部电影的魔力。

Doc送去途中后,Holly怒不可遏。 这是宣泄,危机,十字路口。 保罗现在知道她的故事,但更爱她。 他希望她能对生活,甚至对他变得更加认真。 保罗喜欢照顾霍莉。 这使他感到坚强而有男子气概。 2E的照顾很方便,但是却废了。 毫不奇怪,霍莉被证明是比2E更好的缪斯女神。 唤醒保罗的男子气概也唤醒了他的创造力。

因此,当霍莉宣布不再参加比赛时,保罗感到震惊。 她将着眼于嫁给生锈的拖网渔船(Rusty Trawler),他是五十岁以下的美国第九大富翁,尽管他是一个可笑的猪脸man。 (在小说中,特劳勒是纳粹的同情者,曾提议与Unity Mitford结婚。)

当Trawler落入另一位淘金者的掌控之下时,Holly冷静地转向追求Joséda Silva Pereira(由西班牙贵族JoséLuis de Vilallonga饰演),这位出身但举止却束手无策的巴西人。 但是,对于保罗尚不清楚,是他打算嫁给她还是只是让她担任情妇。 但是,Holly却没有注意。

然而,无论何塞的意图是什么,当霍莉被捕后,他就取消了计划。 霍莉每周收到 100 美元,用于探望被关押在新新监狱的老年黑帮莎莉·托马托 (Sally Tomato),并向外面的人提供他的“天气预报”——显然是有关毒品贸易的编码信息。

伯曼得到霍莉的保释。 保罗收拾好她的物品和猫,然后在警察局接她,将她带到一家旅馆,在那里她可以躲开新闻界的藏身之地。 在出租车上,他发布了关于何塞的坏消息。 在调整口红时,Holly冷静地决定要保释,使用去巴西的机票,并嫁给其他一些富有的南美人。 在一次完美的bit子表演中,她告诉出租车在倾盆大雨中在小巷里把猫停下并抛弃。 在小说中,她遵循自己的计划,然后消失了。 现实但可怕的结果,使Holly Golightly陷入了片状无情母狗的下层圈子,例如 歌舞表演的莎莉·鲍尔斯(Sally Bowles)。

在电影中,保罗给霍莉一个强有力的谈话对象。 他告诉她,人们确实确实属于彼此,这是我们获得幸福的唯一真正机会。 在当今狂热的个人主义社会中,这些都是过时的情感,但却是浪漫而激动人心的。 保罗实际上到达了霍莉。 他实际上改变了她的心。 她跑到雨中,寻找她发现的猫,然后Paul和Holly拥抱了一个可能成为人类家庭的原型。 (霍莉绝对希望有孩子。)最终,我们希望这是一个快乐的结局。

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毫不奇怪,现代美德仲裁人不喜欢 蒂凡尼的早餐 非常。 它显然是异规范的,反女权的,否则是“有问题的”。 但是他们的怒火主要集中在米奇·鲁尼对霍莉楼上邻居伊耶·尤尼希斯(IY Yunioshi)的描绘上,像是一头有齿的日本鬼子(Jap Buffoon),直接出自第二次世界大战的宣传漫画。 坦白说,甚至我也被尤尼斯先生冒犯了。 卡波特的小说使比赛更具竞争性,但是很难说这是“有问题的”还是“醒了的”。 例如,霍莉(Holly)注意到何塞(José)带有淡淡的黑血。 但是,她不介意只要父亲富有且受人尊敬,就可以生一些“好笑的”婴儿。 (最终,他们也将加入Capote。)

我强烈推荐 蒂凡尼的早餐。 但是这部电影最令人着迷的是散文。 它必须是 看到-对于美丽的人们来说,标志性的时尚(奥黛丽·赫本穿着的黑色小礼服之一在拍卖中拍出了近一百万美元的价格),并描绘了一个迷人,安全,压倒性的白色纽约市。

观看它是一种怀旧,逃避现实的娱乐活动,这是本世纪中叶的美国时光胶囊。 我敢打赌,您将需要重新观看它作为一项角色研究,甚至可以设法获得“信息”,并且有益于健康。 它传达了美国青年在巅峰时期(看似无限潜力的时代)的喜悦和愚蠢,以及最终成长并真正站出来的必要性, 作为 某人。 它变成了人迹罕至的道路。

 
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  1. syonredux 说:

    —in a gorgeous Technicolor New York City at what is arguably the peak of American civilization, just before the plunge.

    And it’s that sense of cultural loss that makes the movie so poignant. Watching 蒂凡尼的早餐 (and many other films made during the the 1924-1965 Golden Age) is a heartbreaking glimpse into the Anglo-America that once was…..

  2. fnn 说:

    Since you’re doing old movies, how about 约翰尼吉他? To me the movie seems preposterous, and I assume it’s liked by many critics because of the gender-bending, the anti-McCarthyism and its overall strangeness.

    • 回复: @Angharad
  3. …how about Johnny Guitar? because of the gender-bending, the anti-McCarthyism and its overall strangeness.

    Maybe that’s the reason with some critics and scholars, but that is ONE HELLUVA MOVIE.

    Nicholas Ray was one of a kind.

  4. @syonredux

    BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY’S makes good double feature with MIDNIGHT COWBOY. Great triple feature with THE GRADUATE. And a quadruple feature with DARLING(with Julie Christie).

    But Holly Golightly is less a character than Hepburn’s star play.

    Mary Tyler Moore Show has some of the vibes of BAT.

    PRETTY WOMAN was sold as BAT of the 90s.

    • 回复: @syonredux
    , @AceDeuce
  5. anonymous1963 [又名“ anon19”] 说:

    glamourous, safe overwhelmingly white New York city,

    Just like how Toronto and Canada used to be.

    • 回复: @Ancient Briton
  6. Golightly is a fluff, not a flake.

    A flake tends to have pretensions, like hippie girls gazing into crystals.

    Holly has no pretensions whatsoever.

    • 回复: @Buck Ransom
  7. TKK 说:

    林奇先生,出色的写作和分析!读起来很愉快,但有真正的肉和土豆。

    如果您有兴趣:

    驱魔人
    5 件简单的作品
    一眼千斤顶

    我永远无法弄清楚是否 一眼千斤顶 是伟大还是可怕。

    • 回复: @Hossein
    , @John Howard
  8. Miro23 说:
    @syonredux

    —in a gorgeous Technicolor New York City at what is arguably the peak of American civilization, just before the plunge.

    And it’s that sense of cultural loss that makes the movie so poignant. Watching Breakfast at Tiffany’s (and many other films made during the 1924-1965 Golden Age) is a heartbreaking glimpse into the Anglo-America that once was…..

    It wasn’t going to last. The rest of the world was going to recover after WW2 – but still – the counter-cultural leftist hippy/globalist/SJW led decline of the US into 2019 has been spectacular by any standards.

    Israel’s US colony is now a really ugly place, internationally and domestically.

    • 回复: @Houston 1992
  9. Al Ross 说:

    Thanks for this review. Would you please review the Paul Newman / Bruce Willis film, ‘ Nobody’s Fool’ ?

  10. danand 说:

    “Maybe the false memories are due to Henry Mancini’s music, which won two Oscars, for best score and best song for the haunting cornball classic “Moon River,” with lyrics of Johnny Mercer, which casts a silvery shimmer of nostalgia over the whole heartbreaking tale. Whatever the cause, I am grateful to this amnesia, for it has allowed Breakfast at Tiffany’s to surprise me again and again with each new viewing.”

    I feel the same about Moon River. I enjoy the Two Cellos rendition as well:

  11. syonredux 说:
    @Priss Factor

    BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY’S makes good double feature with MIDNIGHT COWBOY.

    Indeed. The transition from BAT to MC perfectly captures New York’s descent into the abyss.

    Nicholas Ray was one of a kind.

    Definitely one of the finest filmmakers of the ’40s and ’50s.Of his oeuvre , 在一个人迹罕至的地方, On Dangerous Ground 比生命更大 are my particular favorites.

    • 回复: @Mr. Anon
    , @Priss Factor
  12. So when is Greg going to do a Wizard of Oz review, since he’s now embracing his feminine side?

    • 回复: @syonredux
    , @MaryLS
  13. Mark James 说:

    我一直以为保罗可能是同性恋。并不是说我有任何证据,只是我觉得卡波特可能是这样想他的(我从未读过他的作品)。作为 50 年代的人,这部电影不可能像十年后那样成功 歌舞表演 (一个更严肃的脚本)。

    我确实认为这部电影值得大多数回头客对它产生好感。演员阵容是一流的,当然这是赫本的标志性角色。尽管你真的无法想象霍莉为了在曼哈顿工作而改变她的乡村西南口音。她是一个优雅的骗子。

    • 回复: @James J. O'Meara
  14. “But somehow I repeatedly forgot that Breakfast at Tiffany’s is the tale of the romantic misadventures of two gold-diggers . . . ”

    And risk taking and being responsible for the same. As the end of the film is really ambivilent about their future – save that it will the two of them and of course, that orange Tabby.

    Love that tune “Moon River” which captures the traditional mood and goal: boy meets girl and the two set off ” . . . after the same, rainbows end . . .”

    But then I get a kick out of Clint Eastwood singing “I Talk to the Trees”, and Lee Marvin singing “Wanderin’ Star.”

  15. Zelda 说:

    I saw the movie three times and never once I found offensive Mr Yunioshi’s character. Maybe because I’m Italian and I’m used to “offensive” American stereotypes, such as Italian characters being always portrayed in American movies as mafia mobbers or spaghetti eaters (and obviously the same applies to French, Spanish and all European people, all “stereotyped” in American movies).

    • 回复: @anon
    , @Priss Factor
    , @kikz
  16. In truth, Holly is just a flake who doesn’t know who she is or what she wants and is afraid of real relationships and real commitments.

    Long before I saw the movie or read the book, I lived the role of Paul (hey, it got me 850 sqf with high ceilings on the UES for $535 a month) living across the hall from a Holly-type. One thing you could say of her is that she knew where she came from and who she was (past tense), and was determined not to be that person any more, hence the party life. At some point you either grow up and move on, or you drink and drug yourself to death … or worse.

    The best one can ever expect a Holly-type to be is The Fun Zone.

  17. JimDandy 说:

    “But what is most enchanting about this film can’t be captured in prose.”

    But what was captured in prose in the source novel is vastly superior, literarily speaking. Just sayin’.

    • 回复: @Backwoods Bob
  18. I could never understand the appeal of this movie. Nor, for that matter, all rom-coms (or wannabe rom-coms).

    Though, the author is right in his reminiscences on opulent, European America….

    • 同意: theMann
    • 回复: @Priss Factor
    , @Republic
  19. Hossein 说:
    @TKK

    独眼杰克是一部很棒的电影。白兰度和马尔登都很出色。没有人有才华或能力制作如此精彩的电影了。

    基于计算机的卡通化和令人反感的漫威垃圾永远无法取代过去的伟大电影。

  20. Hossein 说:

    对萨姆·佩金帕的伟大电影《铁十字》的评论会很棒。

    欢呼声,

    • 回复: @Ian Smith
  21. anon[837]• 免责声明 说:
    @Zelda

    你根本无法将好莱坞对亚洲人的描绘与意大利人的描绘进行比较。至少意大利人被描绘成男性化的,而亚洲男性则被无理地阉割和非人化。去他妈的那些管理好莱坞的家伙。

    • 回复: @JimDandy
    , @Doug P.
  22. And the end is cliche: Love solves everything.
    …………………………………………………………。
    Well? It does not.

  23. Lin 说:

    Can someone kindly tell what is the time-line evolution of these terms:
    Courtesans–>mistress–>excort–>hookers(whatever class)–>’sex workers’
    Apparently the first 2 are seldom used these days

    • 回复: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Kiel
    , @Alden
  24. Mr. Hack 说:

    Wasn’t “Breakfast at Tiffany’s” in some ways just a remake of “Sabrina”? Both films capture the ouvre of “the height of Anglo-American” civilization that has sadly succumbed to the politically correct machinations of leftist Hollywood. I haven’t viewed either film in quite a while and was anticipating this review to get to the acting performance of Humprey Bogart, who of course gave another showcase performance in “Sabrina”. I miss the old escapist Hollywood, more whitewashed and wholesome product of its golden years.

  25. Jabby Dot 说:

    The scenes of early 60’s NYC makes one long for a past that may never return-one can only hope.

    • 回复: @HammerJack
    , @The Alarmist
  26. chris 说:

    Whatever value the two characters might have had in the original novel, they became two-dimensional stick figures in the movie; the better the ‘technicolor’ the less real or interesting they became. This movie was like sugar-water to me.

    A great film to compare this one to is ‘Night of the Iguana,’ the contrast is really striking.

    • 回复: @Mr. Hack
    , @Priss Factor
  27. It is obviously heteronormative

    You do realise that Capote’s novel was pure homosexual propaganda don’t you? The message was that Paul should embrace his homosexuality. He would then be free to be himself. In reality that would have meant spending the 60s and 70s in gay bath-houses and dying of AIDS in the 80s.

    And as far as Holly is concerned she should embrace freedom as well, which in real life would have meant a couple of decades of slutting around and then dying alone.

    In the book Paul and Holly (and the cat) all choose freedom meaning they choose lives of mindless hedonism, sexual excess , irresponsibility and loneliness. And this is presented as being a Good Thing.

    It’s an incredibly evil book. It’s a How To manual for the Me Generation.

    It’s also further evidence that the disintegration of American society was already far advanced when the Boomers were still in nursery school.

  28. bob sykes 说:

    上面提到的大部分电影我都看过,其中我最喜欢《蒂凡尼的早餐》。 看过两三遍了,这篇影评很不错。 这是一部悲伤的电影,而戈莱特利医生是其中最悲伤的角色。

    我最喜欢的电影是《马耳他之鹰》。 我也喜欢鲍嘉的《长眠不醒》,但不喜欢米彻姆的版本。 白考尔和赫本一样,不会唱歌。 两者都很容易看。

    我要感谢 TheAlarmist 提供的图表。 我从未进入过禁区,但我曾短暂地处于危险区。

  29. Mr. Hack 说:
    @chris

    “Contrast”ing these two films is indeed an exercise in black & white portrayals. Sugar coated escapism (kind of like a musical of the same era, however without most of the music) vs raw, uncensored bohemian realism. Another film similar in its dramatic appeal was also written by Tennesee Williams, ” Cat on a Hot Tin Roof”.

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @chris
  30. ia 说:

    我最近又看了一遍《BAT》,不得不承认你的概要和分析非常好。它确实捕捉到了当时美国发生的很多事情。

  31. @Lin

    Hookers/whores (time immemorial)>courtesans (mostly 16th-18th C)> mistress (a very old term, but in modern usage more frequent in the 19th C)> escort (20th C) >sex worker (20th-21st C).

  32. @Mark James

    I also always assumed that Paul was one of those “actually gay but we can’t show that” characters that would be re-written in some coded way; his paid-for relationship with 2E suggests that, for instance.

    Turning the screw, perhaps Paul and Holly are both gay; I mean, two gay men, one older but less experienced, the other younger but already an old hand at living off older, unattractive men. Holly an orphan, “married” at 14, unable or unwilling to settle down with one man, etc. might all read as “gay.”

    Both characters had to be hidden behind heterosexual crypsis, but perhaps would really angered Capote about the “happy ending” was that it completely converted the relationship into a conventional marriage.

    • 回复: @Alden
  33. “Another film similar in its dramatic appeal was also written by Tennesee Williams, ” Cat on a Hot Tin Roof”.

    And with that one you get the Technicolor too!

    • 回复: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Mr. Hack
  34. @dfordoom

    You do realise that Capote’s novel was pure homosexual propaganda don’t you? The message was that Paul should embrace his homosexuality.

    You do realize that the character of Paul was invented for the movie, out of the unnamed writer who is the narrator of the novel.

    I think you’re a lunatic, and a dishonest one at that.

    • 哈哈: Bardon Kaldian
    • 回复: @dfordoom
  35. @James J. O'Meara

    And- what do Truman Capote and Tennessee Williams have in common? Beside being Americans & Southerners?

    嗯...

    • 回复: @James J. O'Meara
  36. Mr. Hack 说:
    @James J. O'Meara

    And of course, technicolor was (and is) the greatest form of color photography ever devised. It’s stylized and enhanced method of delivery was magical. However, I have a special fondness for black and white films produced in the 40’s – 60’s. “The Night of the Iguana” was still done in a superlative black & white style, IMHO. Last night I viewed a documentary on PBS about Teddie Roosevelt’s adventures in the Brazilian Amazon. It was basically shot in black and white, and could have been enhanced by color photography exposing more of the rich and abundant rainforest foilage, flowers, and waterfalls, etc.

  37. @Trevor Lynch

    You do realize that the character of Paul was invented for the movie, out of the unnamed writer who is the narrator of the novel.

    It’s quite common for unnamed characters in books to be given a name in a movie adaptation. Or for character names to be changed whilst still being essentially the same character. So in my comment change “Paul” to “unnamed character in the book” and my point still stands. The character of Paul was not invented for the movie but was given a name and somewhat altered (and most characters in books are somewhat altered in movie adaptations). It was the book I was talking about (and I read it a very long time ago so feel free to shoot me for not remembering that he wasn’t given a name in the book).

    My real point was that the book is homosexual propaganda and promotes decadence and degeneracy.

    In this case it can certainly be argued that the book and the movie have very different messages. Capote celebrates the fact that his characters never grow up. In the movie they do grow up.

    • 回复: @HammerJack
  38. @Mr. Hack

    When I was a kid, like many little boys I was a big fan of monster movies, especially the zany ones from the 50s and 60s with lots of space aliens and giant insects. One time when I was about six years old, I saw in the TV Guide that a movie was on called “Night of the Iguana.” I just assumed it would be about a giant iguana attacking a city. So I patiently sat up and watched the entire movie, expecting that any moment, a giant iguana would arrive and kill all these idiots.

    I never trusted Tennessee Williams again.

    • 哈哈: Alden, Mark Hunter
    • 回复: @Spike
  39. Isn’t it, essentially, an American film? Something about “American Dream” (whichever version)? To achieve glamorous, buoyant, exciting (big) city life as contrasted with drab & boring workaday existence …

  40. Alden 说:
    @Mr. Hack

    Logline for Cat on a Hot Tin Roof

    Six adults yell at each other for a weekend while 4 children occupy themselves as best they can.

    • 回复: @James J. O'Meara
  41. syonredux 说:
    @Kent Nationalist

    (综述) 绿野仙踪 would be quite interesting, particularly if it were paired with ZARDOZ.

  42. Alden 说:
    @James J. O'Meara

    I agree. There were many plays and books written by gays in which women characters were really gay men and their typical problems and lives.

    The most blatant one is Street Car Named Desire. Stanley is the big macho gay. His wife is the middle aged gay paternal type who puts with a lot just so he can have gay sex without lowering himself to pay for it.

    Blanche is gay but afraid to actually cross the line. That type used to get drunk and get raped. Women used to do that to back in the day when pre marital sex and adultery were not acceptable.

  43. Alden 说:
    @Mr. Hack

    What’s bad about black and white is that it’s so unnatural. Sky is blue trees bushes and plants are green, dirt is shades of brown, humans have brown and blue eyes, not gray.

    It’s somewhat plausible in interiors with an entire house in gray white and black. But exteriors and actors in black white and gray is just unnatural.

  44. Anon[424]• 免责声明 说:

    When I was 17 …….

    • 回复: @Anon
  45. Breakfast at Tiffanys was made in 1961. Two years later came the JFK assassination and “le deluge” from we’ve never quite resurfaced, notwithstanding Reagan and “Morning in America”. This movie could never have had the same impact, nor perhaps could it have ever been made, post-11/22/63.

    The Mancini version of “Moon River” is incomparable and in a class by itself. The Andy Williams and Jerry Butler versions pale by comparison. Mercer’s lyrics were like a poem, best read than heard (notwithstanding the Mancini recording). And as it would turn out they were prophetic. No two songs could be more different than “Moon River” and “Born To Be Wild” by Steppenwolf but, in a way, they were both about the same things even though set in two different generations, if not worlds. A reminder that the more things change, the more they remain the same.

  46. @Miro23

    American dominance in manufactured goods could not last as our natural competitors in Japan, Europe had been bombed back two generation by the “Good” War.
    But our culture did not have to collapse. Our economy did not need to be hollowed out, FIRE —finance insurance real estate interests— did not need to dominate the economy at the expense of all other useful sectors. The 1965 immigration act did not need to be passed. We could have reined in the MIC, not fought in Vietnam.
    Our decline was not inevitable, and it is not irreversible.

    • 回复: @Miro23
    , @Bookish1
  47. ricpic 说:

    Audrey Hepburn: every man’s desire.

    Johnny Mercer: a genius, period.

    • 回复: @Prester John
  48. syonredux 说:
    @Alden

    黑白的不好之处在于它太不自然了。

    That’s also what’s great about it. It’s pure form, uncontaminated by color:

    • 回复: @Johnny Paytoilet
    , @Alden
  49. JimDandy 说:
    @anon

    That’s all changed for the asians, whereas Italians are still portrayed as greasy cartoons.

    • 回复: @anon
  50. Ian Smith 说:
    @Hossein

    我喜欢威利·海因里希的小说,但不太喜欢电影《铁十字》。不过,可能我只是不喜欢佩金帕的风格。

  51. Mr. Anon 说:
    @syonredux

    在危险的地面 is indeed a great movie.

  52. Mr. Anon 说:

    The high point of movies – visually – was the 1950s through the 1970s. During that time, at least some film-makers paid attention to how a movie looked. Now they all seem to look flat and washed out.

  53. Miro23 说:
    @Houston 1992

    Our decline was not inevitable, and it is not irreversible.

    The problem is, that winning in 2019 means getting, national unity, focused national development policies, rooting out corruption, and world class national education e.g. Switzerland/Korea/Japan – things that the US more or less had in the early 1960’s and has completely lost (other than a few top universities catering to Asians).

    A country without an ethnic identity is not going anywhere. And if US Anglos think that it can’t get worse – then think again – for instance the Ukraine.

    • 同意: Houston 1992
    • 回复: @Republic
  54. anon[837]• 免责声明 说:
    @JimDandy

    I’m sorry I just don’t see how things have changed for Asian males. Asian males are still portrayed as homosexual or alien foreigners subject to mockery. I’d love to switch places with the Italians, since at least the mafioso image is “alpha” and cool.

    • 回复: @JimDandy
  55. I was lucky enough to watch 蒂法尼早餐s in a theater on a Sunday in New York City (Chinatown) in the 2000s. It was some kind of revival thing. It was perfect, and some of the audience even laughed at Mickey Rooney’s harmless goof on the Japanese, despite being un-pc.

    Rooney apologized for the role later, but always maintained for years that no Asian ever complained to him and many, many Asians would tell him that the role was hilarious and wonderful. The woke generation has ruined all that.

    • 回复: @anon
  56. @ricpic

    Audrey was, for me, an acquired taste. As a hormone driven kid in my teens she wasn’t to my taste in terms of looks (compared to say MM or Ursula Andress a/k/a “Ursula Undress”). It was only when I grew older and mature did I begin to appreciate how beautiful that woman was–both inside and out.

    And yeah…Mercer WAS indeed a genius!!

  57. @Alden

    黑白的不好之处在于它太不自然了。

    That’s what is so cool about black-and-white. Its artificiality. Movies are not reality. They’re movies. They should look artificial.

    Some movies look better in colour. Some look better in black-and-white. You can capture certain moods in black-and-white that you just can’t capture in colour.

    • 同意: syonredux, Mr. Hack
    • 回复: @Steve2
  58. anon[837]• 免责声明 说:
    @R.G. Camara

    Those Asians you mentioned who celebrate their own racial degradation on the widescreen deserve to get a baseball bat to their craniums. You won’t ever see blacks for example supporting racist portrayals of themselves, which is why we always get black geniuses or doctors in American movies lol.

    • 回复: @R.G. Camara
  59. @Prester John

    Breakfast at Tiffanys was made in 1961.

    蒂凡尼的早餐 is a good example of the Production Code working as it was meant to work. You take a vicious immoral book with a negative destructive message but you can’t turn it into a vicious immoral film with a negative destructive message. So you turn it into a wholesome movie with a positive message.

    That’s why censorship is a good thing.

  60. @anon

    Nah, Blacks used to get a kick out of Stepin Fetchit, Amos n’ Andy, and minstrel shows. It was only when (((certain people))) informed us all that such portrayals are racist that they soured and became angry about it. Just like Asians with Mickey Rooney.

    • 回复: @anon
    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  61. As a longtime fan of Audrey Hepburn and lover of her type (but not of the Holly Golightly type!) I enjoyed this review. Trevor Lynch’s interpretation is spot on, as he describes the subtext that has been there the whole time, right in front of us.

  62. anon[837]• 免责声明 说:
    @R.G. Camara

    Nowadays, blacks are extreme snowflakes talking about “anti-blackness” when they are the most coddled group in America, thanks to (((certain people))). What angers me is the hypocrisy where Asians are still suitable targets for mockery and racism while blacks and (((certain people))) must be worshipped, when in actuality, they are two of the most unpleasant groups in America lol.

  63. @Priss Factor

    I think the slang at that time, at the end of the beatnik era, would have been “kook,” not flake.

  64. 我一直以来最喜欢的电影之一。第一次看这部电影是在 1962 年初,顺便说一句,那是电影的伟大一年。我最喜欢的场景是奥黛丽一边弹奏尤克里里一边唱《月亮河》。 1965 年的《伟大的竞赛》中的类似场景是娜塔莉·伍德 (Natalie Wood) 向托尼·柯蒂斯 (Tony Curtis) 演唱《甜心树》(The Sweetheart Tree),而她正在弹吉他。顺便说一句,曼奇尼的另一首伟大的曲子。那一定是有史以来最搞笑的喜剧之一。这是一个多么伟大的时代啊!

  65. JimDandy 说:
    @anon

    Well, a lot changed, fairly quickly. There is no way Hangover could be made today, for instance. TV has a lot of Asian males in studly roles these days. Asian women essentially play infallible hot badasses. As for the gay thing, well… gay everything is obligatory these days.

    • 回复: @anon
  66. @syonredux

    我看过 100 多部从 40 年代初到 50 年代末制作的“黑色电影”电影。这些电影之所以如此精彩,是因为采用黑白拍摄方式。你能想象如果《Out of the Past》(1947年)、《Panic in the Streets》(1950年)或《A Touch of Evil》(1958年)出现在特艺彩色版中会是什么样子?污染!顺便说一句,我看过《最长的一天》(1962),当时它第一次以黑白形式问世。大约四十年后,我观看了彩色版本,我只能说,它真的很糟糕。

    • 回复: @Alden
  67. Kiel 说:
    @Lin

    You forgot ‘slut’.

    They’re all generally correct euphemisms for the word ‘female’, separated in application by period/culture/circumstance.

    In less than 1% of cases, they may also apply to males, differentiated by gender identity & kink.

    • 回复: @Lin
  68. @Zelda

    I saw the movie three times and never once I found offensive Mr Yunioshi’s character.

    It is offensive, but that’s part of the humor. Humor always has a victim, and caricatures rely on exaggeration. Clouseau, for instance, is a caricature of French buffoonery.

    At any rate, it is an inspired performance, the only one for which Rooney will be remembered. Rooney was very popular for several yrs, topping box office charts year after year. But almost all of his movies are now forgotten. His role in BAT is a keeper. It is funny as hell.

  69. @R.G. Camara

    Objections to racial portrayals typically come from virtue-signalling Whites and (((Whites))). For the most part, the objects of their supposed solicitude don’t care.

    • 回复: @anon
    , @R.G. Camara
  70. anon[837]• 免责声明 说:
    @JimDandy

    I see. I stopped watching TV for quite a while now, so probably not up to date. I personally felt the traditional Italian portrayal, starting from the Godfather trilogy, was not really degrading. I always perceived Italians as patriarchical, family-oriented, masculine tribal people who do not forget old grudges, not too bad of an image to have if you ask me.

  71. Mark James 说:

    没有人提到任何有关乔治·佩帕德的事情。我觉得他很好。他是一个有点平淡的演员,在 60 岁到 70 岁之间得到了很多好角色。显然这是一个重要的角色,但我认为纽曼、霍顿、麦昆类型的角色不会起作用。保罗是一个观察者——总是感到惊讶——他不是一个促进者。
    我还试图记住保罗/霍莉是否有性爱场面,甚至有暗示,但我认为他们没有。一开始,霍莉被一些给她现金的人追赶,而保罗则从帕特里夏·尼尔那里得到租金。

    • 回复: @Buck Ransom
  72. @Bardon Kaldian

    I could never understand the appeal of this movie. Nor, for that matter, all rom-coms (or wannabe rom-coms).

    Love stories are among the most popular. Boy meets girl. The stuff of countless movies, books, and songs.
    As for comedy, people like funny. Romance and Funny seem a natural fit.

    BAT is a real gem, one of the few that makes the chemistry work.

  73. Kiel 说:
    @dfordoom

    One flaw with your otherwise prescient comment . . . Holly would not die alone.

    Holly would have a cat.

    Holly’s cat who would also die, slowly, in agony, of dehydration, as Holly’s unloved and rapidly decomposing corpse languished for weeks prior to her neighbors calling the superintendent to investigate a distinctive and foul smell emanating from their air return vents.

    However, in an effort to prolong life, the cat may just pull it out as it consumed bits of Holly to acquire the bits fetid moisture that still remained in her body.

    We’ll have to wait for the sequel to the reboot to see how the conflict resolves.

  74. @Ian Smith

    It could be that I just don’t like Peckinpah’s style, though.

    It’s not one of his best. Far from it. He had problems with production and the bottle.

  75. anon[837]• 免责声明 说:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Funny thing is white cucks and (((whites))) have no problem with racial portrayals as long as its not blacks and the Chosen. Everyone else is fair game.

  76. @chris

    Whatever value the two characters might have had in the original novel, they became two-dimensional stick figures in the movie

    George Peppard is good-looking and serviceable. No more, no less.

    Holly Golightly in the movie is really Hepburn frolicking at her peak in looks and charm. She’s in full bloom. She’s less a character(as she may be in the book) than a fit for Hepburn to showcase her star power. And it works wonderfully on that level.
    She’s about as real as Inspector Clouseau or Sean Connery as 007. And for that reason, it doesn’t make much sense to speak of her in terms of past history, psychology, meaning, or values. Holly exists to make Hepburn look great on screen. That said, Hepburn had the touch and twinkle to make Holly into something more than a mere mask, a cartoon character. She sparkles and aches with just enough humor and pathos to make us feel for the character. Peppard works essentially as a straight man to her crazy-funny-girl antics.

    The only two characters that suggest anything like real-world experience, feelings, and motives are the two older roles played by Patricia Neal and Buddy Epson. But they are sidelined soon enough because the movie favors fantasy over reality. In the real world, a man like Varjak(Peppard) wouldn’t have been so sentimental and walked out on his ‘sugar mommy’ so easily; and most writers are not that handsome. And a more serious movie would have delved more deeply into Holly’s past history, her core formative being. But the movie is about escapism and the fantasy of being young, handsome, and lovable. Even the real-life lesson at the end with the cat recovered from the rain is Pure Hollywood, esp with the Mancini-Mercer score.
    I heard Capote wasn’t pleased with Hepburn in the role and had in mind someone like Marilyn Monroe. While Hepburn is brilliant in the role, it’s true enough that she’s not very convincing as a once-farm-girl who miraculously transformed into such a darling. She was also hardly convincing in MY FAIR LADY as a common girl gone fancy, but BAT works far better than MFL because it’s light and brisk like a gazelle whereas MFL is too elephantine for a comedy-musical. It drags.

    BAT is not a serious movie but one worth taking seriously in terms of talent and delivery. It’s Blake Edwards at the top of his game. It it to him what BLADE RUNNER is to Ridley Scott.
    It is also the only Audrey Hepburn movie that has passed the test of time in terms of lasting popularity, though ROMAN HOLIDAY and TWO FOR THE ROAD are pretty good too.

    • 回复: @chris
    , @Anonymous
    , @Pericles
    , @Dumbo
  77. And, as for wholesomeness, it has that too in the end. But somehow I repeatedly forgot that Breakfast at Tiffany’s is the tale of the romantic misadventures of two gold-diggers, Holly Golightly and her upstairs neighbor, Paul Varjak, both of whom are skating through their 20s by having sex with and taking money from older and richer people.

    The most wholesome movie about whores. Whore-some?

    Holly may be a gold-digger, but then, who isn’t? Isn’t the sexual marketplace all about looking for whomever has more money or status? Even Jenny in LOVE STORY admits that she’s partly attracted to Oliver for his status and legacy.

    Holly’s gold-diggery may seem more blatant because of her humble origins, but even elites with fancy credentials act the same way. Why did Chelsea Clinton marry into a rich Jewish family? And why did the Jewish boy marry Chelsea? Daughter of former president. All about power, privilege, money, status. All about money and status.

    If true love is about the meeting of hearts and souls, then even love based on looks is shallow. After all, someone can be handsome or pretty and be a total idiot, lout, or moron. The fact is, if Holly were ugly, neither Paul Varjak now we would care about her. It’s because of her beauty and charm that he and we are made to care. Gold-digging may be shallow, but ‘face-collecting’ maybe equally so, that is IF one is looking for True Love with someone of quality of soul as well as body.
    All those old rich men marrying some young woman simply because she has the looks and smile. She could be a bimbo whose only meaning in life is ‘shopping’, but some men will even abandon their wives and children to chase after such young tarts.

    But then, money and looks do matter. If Doc(Epson) had lots of money, Holly wouldn’t have run from him. If Holly were plain or ugly, Doc wouldn’t have chased after her. Just the way it is.

    Now, the movie wants us to believe that Holly doesn’t really know herself. Surrounded by people with money who get what they want by throwing dollar bills around, she’s convinced that the world is full of rats, and she’s gonna find the biggest one. But the gold-digger really happens to be a ‘hooker with a heart of gold’, and Paul finally digs it out of her. Well, it works on the Hollywood level.

    • 回复: @Pericles
    , @Anon
  78. @Mark James

    雷德福对于保罗·瓦贾克这个角色来说可能是一个不错的选择。
    他和奥黛丽·赫本本可以成为一对绝妙的情侣。

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  79. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    As was on great display during the whole “Washington Redskins need to change their name NOW thos RACISTS!” nonsense brought up a few years ago by NBC, Bob Costas, and sportswriter filth.

    Turns out American Indian tribes aren’t offended by it, only people who don’t know any Indians got offended. The whole effort failed.

  80. syonredux 说:
    @Ian Smith

    我喜欢威利·海因里希的小说,但不太喜欢电影《铁十字》。不过,可能我只是不喜欢佩金帕的风格。

    USB和Thunderbolt Cross is OK, but’s it’s not top-tier Peckinpah. It’s certainly not at all comparable to masterpieces like Pat Garrett And Billy The Kid十三太保.For that matter, it’s also not as good as 骑高地国家 , a heartfelt and deeply moving valediction for the “traditional” Western.

  81. @syonredux

    Other movies that strongly resonate with me of the “American High” of the ‘50’s include North by Northwest and High Society.

    Those films illustrate how fragile an identity that civic nationalism (combined with US natural competitors being knocked back so hard in WW2, ) had conferred upon Anglo -America. Sadly , that society was ripe for the plucking.

  82. Agathoklis 说:

    It would be great if Trevor Lynch reviewed Elia Kazan’s (Kazatzoglou) films. Also, mention of his honorary Oscar in 1999 would be great where some members of the audience refused to clap. It was touching that De Niro; and particularly, Scorsese presented him with the award who understood the southern European experience in the United States more than morons like Nick Nolte.

  83. @anonymous1963

    TO was pleasant and liveable in the 70’s (I was there) – but glamourous? mai non.

    • 回复: @anonymous1963
  84. @syonredux

    Indeed. The transition from BAT to MC perfectly captures New York’s descent into the abyss.

    Another movie worth comparing to BAT is THE BIRDS by Hitchcock. If BAT is great romantic-comedy, THE BIRDS is a great horror-romance.

  85. @JimDandy

    为什么要在最后用多余的山谷女孩的话语来毁掉原本是一个不错的评论呢?

    从字面上看=一击。

    只是说=从二打到九,你的整个队伍都出局了。 你是一个山谷女孩。

    • 回复: @Jack Armstrong
  86. @Priss Factor

    Mickey Rooney was good in his debut role in Ah, Wilderness! (1935)

    • 回复: @dfordoom
  87. Republic 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Though, the author

    is right in his reminiscences on opulent, European America….

    Taki Theodoracopulos of Taki’s Magazine has many articles of New York City in the 1950s.

    see his Adios, Manhattan, May 20, 2019

    • 同意: byrresheim
  88. Hydro 说:

    杜鲁门·卡波特最初选择扮演霍莉·戈莱特利的是玛丽莲·梦露,但她的表演教练反对扮演妓女,而选择了《乱点鸳鸯》。我只能感到深深的遗憾,MM本来可以把BAT拍成一部深刻又感人的经典。相反,我们有一场非常令人愉快但又令人难忘的纪梵希时装秀。

    • 回复: @dfordoom
  89. Alden 说:
    @Johnny Paytoilet

    黑色电影绝对是我最喜欢的类型。我每周都会在中医黑色日观看它们。有效的是,它们大多是室内的,或者在天黑时可能会出现。黑色一词并非来自黑暗、令人厌恶的角色。这些电影在各个国家通常都是廉价制作的 B 级和 C 级电影。灯光很暗,以隐藏廉价的布景、玩具枪,并且每个场景中的男人都穿着相同的衣服。法语单词听起来比 black 好听

    昨晚看了 1975 年版的钱德勒的《别告诉我的爱人》。它是彩色的,我喜欢它。

    但后来我喜欢颜色。我们是世界的独裁者,我会禁止白色的墙壁、米色的地板和米色、黑色、棕色、灰色和泥绿色的家具窗帘等,尤其是黑色皮革沙发。

    我会禁止女装使用黑色、深灰色、灰米色、泥绿色和栗色等泥色。金棕、奶油糖、焦糖、肉桂和巧克力棕色是允许的,但不允许是灰色或泥棕色。

    但首先我会禁止平权行动

  90. Republic 说:
    @Miro23

    A country without an ethnic identity is not going anywhere. And if US Anglos think that it can’t get worse – then think again – for instance the Ukraine.

    People on the opposite sides in Ukraine are of the same ethnic type, in one generation they can be reunited with the same ethnic identity as before.

    In the United States there is no possibility of ever having ethnic unity in the future.

  91. syonredux 说:
    @Alden

    Film noir is my absolutely favorite genre. I watch them every week on TCM’s Noir day. What works is that they’re mostly interiors or at might when it’s dark. The term noir doesn’t come from dark unsavory characters. Those movies were often cheaply made B and C movies in every country. The lightening was dark to hide the cheap sets, toy guns and that the men wore the same clothes in every scene.

    And that’s where artistry comes into play, turning a weakness into a strength….

    Watched the 1975 version of Chandler’s Farewell My Lovely last night. It was in color and I loved it.

    It’s OK. Mitchum was far too old for the part, though. On the other hand, it’s vastly superior to the re-make of 夜长梦多 that he made a few years later.

    But then I like color.

    So do I. But I also appreciate its absence…..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCsXASEw4VA&t=34s

    • 回复: @Alden
  92. @Buck Ransom

    雷德福对于保罗·瓦贾克这个角色来说可能是一个不错的选择。

    He was in BAREFOOT IN THE PARK, which clearly riffs on BAT.

    Even though the ending of BAT is rather affirming of old-fashioned values, much of its appeal is the nihilism of youth and beauty. Holly needs no biography, memory, or loyalty because she has what it takes, beauty and charm, to make men throw money at her. It is to romantic comedy what RIDE THE HIGH COUNTRY is to the Western. A transitional work that signals the new while adhering(and paying final tribute) to the old and ‘classic’. In that, it is rather like UMBRELLAS OF CHERBOURG(though the Demy pic has a semi-happy ending for the man and a sad ending for the girl). Hitchcock’s THE BIRDS is also an uneasy work that draws on classic Hollywood while leaning over the abyss of the new. And both movies are about the curse and necessity of the cage. People want freedom to break out of the cage, but freedom without sound grounding in values and memory can lead to chaos. (Once homos flew out of the cage, it sure led to lots of trouble.) In a way BAT might be called CATS… or Dogs and Cats. In the end, the Paul the dog who believes in loyalty saves Holly the cat from herself. Cats act like they’re independent but are lost without a master and home.

    BAT closes with a Hollywood ending, and the ‘old’ values are reaffirmed, but Holly is appealing for the same reason Catherine is in JULES AND JIM, one that ends darkly and the titular character in DITA SAXOVA(all the more so because she survived Shoah). Though Holly isn’t a killer, she represents freedom of youth unbound by rules like Alain Delon character in PURPLE NOON or Charlotte Rampling character in GEORGY GIRL.

    An actress who had some of that Hepburn winsomeness was Melanie Griffith with SOMETHING WILD and WORKING GIRL, but she quickly faded… but then so did Hepburn. In a way, BAT may have been as fatal to her career as PSYCHO for Anthony Perkins. It defined her star persona so perfectly that it spoiled future roles.

    • 回复: @Alden
  93. @Ancient Briton

    Mickey Rooney was good in his debut role in Ah, Wilderness! (1935)

    Mickey Rooney made a number of good movies. Unfortunately his best performances were in movies that aren’t well-remembered – movies like Quicksand, The Strip开车走弯路.

  94. chris 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Thanks ‘Priss’ I really appreciate that ! Interesting tidbit about Capote preferring Marilyn over Audrey in this role. I kind of agree, Audrey is a bit too prudish to sell the entire role her character implies, even if she’s supposed to be in the delusional stage during the movie. Marilyn would definitely have suggested more, … if they would have been able to drug her enough to make it through the filming that is.

    • 回复: @Buck Ransom
  95. @Hydro

    杜鲁门·卡波特最初选择扮演霍莉·戈莱特利的是玛丽莲·梦露,但她的表演教练反对扮演妓女,而选择了《乱点鸳鸯》。

    1961年,玛丽莲·梦露已经老了。奥黛丽·赫本也确实太老了。梦露在她职业生涯的早期可能已经成功了。

    我只能感到深深的遗憾,MM本来可以把BAT拍成一部深刻又感人的经典。

    或者它可能是一场火车失事。谁知道?这可能是一种痛苦的练习。事实上,BAT 是一个经典,但又是一个不同类型的经典。

    The problem with Holly is that there’s really nothing to admire about her. There’s nothing under the surface. A hooker hoping to land a rich guy. It’s the same with Paul. Dig beneath the surface of a guy like that and you’re not going to find anything. A male whore. So the light-hearted treatment that was adopted may have been the wisest course.

  96. @Alden

    Watched the 1975 version of Chandler’s Farewell My Lovely last night. It was in color and I loved it.

    It’s surprisingly good. Mitchum was too old but he makes it work – an ageing world-weary Marlowe.

    Of course it would have been even better in black-and-white!

    • 回复: @Alden
  97. chris 说:
    @Mr. Hack

    yeah, definitely agree with that; if anyone could portray decadence, then it was definitely Tennese Williams, it takes one to know one I guess. And they made very accurate renditions of his most important plays or novels in the 1950s and 60s.

    . …and since everyone is mentioning their favorite movies, mine are: “8 1/2” and “The Loved One”

    • 回复: @Alden
  98. No film that I have seen shot in b/w ever looks good when colorized, and what it has done to documentaries is nearly tragic. In the case if all such films, it attempts to change space and time which simply destroys it reality by transforming all the context into something that simply did not exist.

    Colorizing also destroys the fine detail of black and white films and that is distracting. It does nothing in my view view to make events more real. Given the quality, colorizing nearly animates images.

    • 同意: utu
  99. Alden 说:
    @syonredux

    Of course. It’s amazing what Jean Renoir could do with 30 seconds of railroad train wheels and film stock of a railroad station.

    I still prefer color. It is natural.

  100. AceDeuce 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Mary Tyler Moore signed on to do a Broadway stint in a stage musical version of BAT, opposite Richard Chamberlain, in 1966. It was ripped to shreds by critics during the out of town preview shows, and never made it on Broadway for a single show. One of the biggest debacles of the modern American theater.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  101. AceDeuce 说:
    @Prester John

    If you want a great version of Moon River, look no further than the version by the late great Nancy Lamott, who died far too young in the early 90s from cancer. She put out a fantastic tribute album to Johnny Mercer and his songs. I think her version of Moon River is on YouTube. Check it out.

  102. AceDeuce 说:
    @syonredux

    It’s been a longtime (and true) cliche that screening films set in NYC from the beginning of the 60s, and then some from the end of the same decade, is a major shock to the system.

  103. @chris

    Audrey Hepburn said in some interview years later that she never thought she was right for the part.

    But that’s Hollywood, I guess. Anyway, she was luminous in the role and it has turned out to be one of the iconic performances and most-remembered movies of that period.

    She was very good in the thriller 夏利 with Cary Grant, and that has held up well. Personally, I have always liked her best in the 1967 film 两个为道 with Albert Finney. She was starting to show more acting chops by this point, but then she retired for a number of years to raise a family, and her comeback never quite took off.

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Priss Factor
  104. Anonymous[427]• 免责声明 说:
    @Priss Factor

    I heard Capote wasn’t pleased with Hepburn in the role and had in mind someone like Marilyn Monroe.

    Capote was a friend of MM and wanted her for the role but later came to understand Hepburn was the better choice on several levels.

    I don’t think the movie is “homosexual propaganda” at all, I think homos back then knew full well theirs was a sorry lot, I think it’s if anything a wistful longing for a sort of normalcy for people who would never truly be normal-normal, if you know what I mean.

    Genuinely normal people are not the stuff of fiction, nor usually (unless exceptional circumstances intervene) the stuff of written or storied nonfiction. You’re either really good, really bad or really different usually to be a character.

    • 回复: @dfordoom
    , @Priss Factor
  105. Steve2 说:
    @dfordoom

    较早的黑白电影具有清晰度和深度/对比度。

    另外,想想早期的 Mac 和令人瞠目结舌的黑白屏幕。

    不过,彩色技术非常出色。

  106. Bookish1 说:
    @Houston 1992

    It was over for america in 1945. We fought on the wrong side in ww2 and it was just a matter of time before the victorious bolsheviks would reap their harvest in the u. S.

  107. Alden 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Birds was based on something that really happened in coastal Marin county near San Francisco Bodega Bay maybe?

    I couldn’t stand the Japanese clown in BAT. Probably because I grew up in San Francisco which had a big population of Chinese and Japanese ranging from Gold Rush Chinese and 1880s Japanese to newly arrived. Asian immigrants don’t behave that way.

    I knew that takes about 3 or 4 generations plus going to a White school and working with Whites, even just customers to melt the great Asian Stoneface.

    My biggest problem with AH movies are all those ancient wrinkled codgers who are her love interest. I believe Peppard was the only one not at least 25 years older.

  108. Alden 说:
    @Buck Ransom

    我喜欢 2 for the Road。 这太现实了。 一群女孩遇到一群男孩。 其中一对夫妇点击并结婚。

    然后爱和欲望变成了生活。 事业孕纸尿裤孩子家务孩子养钱钱钱养家糊口,无所事事。

    他们没有钱的问题,但我认为丈夫迷路了。

    • 回复: @Buck Ransom
  109. Gast 说:

    还有比电影迷更可笑的事情吗?

    “在小说中,特劳勒是一位著名的纳粹同情者,他曾向尤尼蒂·米特福德求婚。”

    非常微妙,卡波特先生。

    为什么要追随那些讨厌你的人的小说呢?

  110. @Buck Ransom

    Audrey Hepburn said in some interview years later that she never thought she was right for the part.

    For the character in the book, true.

    But it doesn’t matter in the movie because it was meant as a star vehicle for Hepburn. So, it wasn’t so much a case of Hepburn adapting herself for the role as the role being adapted for Hepburn. A risky move, but it worked like a charm.
    The movie is less a faithful adaptation of the novella than a fanciful adoration of its free-spirited character. (LOLITA is another film that works despite drastic deviation from the source material.) Birdlike Hepburn made Holly extra-flighty and chirpy, and the movie’s success relies as much on her(and Mancini) as on Blake Edwards.
    Edwards makes a mess of the ‘auteur theory’. Though he had critical defenders, his career has seen more ups and downs than most ‘auteurs’. It’s hard to discern consistency. He could be brilliant or absolutely awful, and in his case, actors were the key.

    Another thing about Edwards is he had the same problem as Polanski. Libertine and anarchic, he had a tendency toward excess and vulgarity if given free rein. He could be very funny with such, as in 10 and the glow-in-dark condom scene in SKIN DEEP. And VICTOR/VICTORIA, which is genuinely funny. But such works leave a bad taste in the mouth because they are so shameless and gross in their scatology. The condom scene in SKIN DEEP is one of Edwards’ most uproarious moments, but who feels proud of having laughed at that Howard-Stern level joke?

    One wonders how BAT might have turned out had it been made in the 70s, 80s, or 90s. But because it was the early 60s, there was the balance of ‘innocence’ and raciness. It pushed boundaries but without falling over the cliff.

  111. Alden 说:
    @chris

    Book The Loved One is better than the movie. Not E Waugh’s best even.

    Paraphrase of the first page.

    The 2 weary Englishmen posted to the far away desert met on the porch of their shabby bungalow for their usual 5:00 drinks.

    The dry palm fronds rustled in the wind. Insects chittered They were surrounded by the sun faded huts of the natives. They could hear the shrill cries of the brown skinned native mothers retrieving their children who’d played in the pond all day.

    It was 1940’s Los Angeles. The Englishmen weren’t colonial administrators. The brown skinned natives were just suntanned. The pond was the local Park and Rec swimming pool.

    Typical English total disdain for everything in America and Americans but hilarious. Waugh disdained everything in the U.K. as well.

    • 回复: @chris
  112. 乔治·科斯坦萨对这部电影有一些有趣的见解。

  113. @Anonymous

    I don’t think the movie is “homosexual propaganda” at all, I think homos back then knew full well theirs was a sorry lot

    The movie isn’t, but the book definitely is.

    And by 1961 homosexuals were getting ready to launch a major offensive to normalise and promote their lifestyle. That year saw the release of the first major English-language homosexual propaganda movie, 受害者. And it saw the release of the first Hollywood lesbian propaganda movie, 儿童时光. Which starred – Audrey Hepburn!

  114. @Alden

    Birds was based on something that really happened in coastal Marin county near San Francisco Bodega Bay maybe?

    It was based on a story by Daphne du Maurier, who of course wrote the source novel for another Hitchcock classic, 丽贝卡。

  115. @Alden

    Interiors! As in Woody Allen’s first “serious” film, ironically in color (sort of) though wanting to be black & white. The set design was by Joel Schumacher, of Batman infamy. Trevor Lynch should review this “Jew influenced by Bergman looks at WASPs” epic.

  116. @Prester John

    “No two songs could be more different than “Moon River” and “Born To Be Wild” by Steppenwolf but, in a way, they were both about the same things even though set in two different generations, if not worlds. A reminder that the more things change, the more they remain the same.”

    Well, that’s just brilliant.

  117. @Anonymous

    I don’t think the movie is “homosexual propaganda” at all, I think homos back then knew full well theirs was a sorry lot, I think it’s if anything a wistful longing for a sort of normalcy for people who would never truly be normal-normal, if you know what I mean.

    I don’t see that either. But I suppose it is suffused with a kind of ‘gay sensibility’, Capote being a homo and all. Homos are known to be birdy. One of the biggest homo movies is La Cage Aux Faux, remade into Birdcage with Robin Williams. Holly isn’t a homo, but ‘gay’ men might kind of identify with her, especially as homo men, like Holly, have hardly been known for settling down or fidelity. Precisely because it was risque to make movies about homos back then — ADVISE AND CONSENT was one of exceptions — , homos projected their own fantasies onto ‘normal’-seeming characters. But then, that’s what artists do. They channel their dreams and frustrations onto their characters. So, BAT is most certainly not a homo PROPAGANDA.

    Homo men have male aggressiveness but female narcissism and vanity. So, some of Capote’s own homo sensibility was prolly written into the character of Holly. She is a homo man’s female fantasy of what he wants to be. And homos are totally into fashion and decor, and BAT has plenty of that.

  118. For instance, Holly notes that José has a touch of black blood. But she doesn’t mind the prospect of having slightly “coony” babies as long as the father is rich and respected. (Eventually, they’ll come for Capote as well.)

    As the Proglob is all for race-mixing, esp between black men and white women, this would hardly put Capote in bad graces with current PC police.

  119. @Alden

    “My biggest problem with AH movies are all those ancient wrinkled codgers who are her love interest. I believe Peppard was the only one not at least 25 years older.”

    Alden: Yes, the age mismatch is jarring now to me. The most jarring films had her being the love interest of Gary Cooper. Rex Harrison , though, seemed more plausible.

    But who from her generation could she have been paired with who was a box office draw? in addition, was there not a trend of the older GI generation (19091-24) men from WW2 snatching the best Silent generation (1925-1942) women?

    • 回复: @dfordoom
  120. @Alden

    Mitchum’s British, colour remakes are disparaged for obvious reasons but are actually pretty great. The way he finishes off Canino is what Bogart would have done but for the Hayes code.

    • 回复: @syonredux
  121. Alden 说:
    @dfordoom

    We all have our preferences. One thing unacceptable in the movie was Charlotte Rampling wearing a dark Rust colored dress with a big pastel pure green jade necklace.

    Horrible horrible. Dress could have been any pastel or even navy or black but dark rust and pure pale green is just awful. Navy and any shade of dark blue is great with pure pale green if they wanted a dark colored dress. Shades of mud green are fine with dark rust. But jade isn’t mud green

    I thought it was originally B&W and the dark rust dress was just bad colorization. Then I saw 1975.

  122. @Alden

    两个为道 是很棒的。 我已经看了太多次了,数不清了。
    给你的复习概要:奥黛丽赫本和阿尔伯特芬尼是两个聪明的年轻英国人,他们第一次在英吉利海峡的渡轮上相遇(但没有相遇),因为它降落在法国。

    这部电影通过您描述的各种事件,在他们接下来的 10 或 12 年的生活中跟踪他们。 但是年表在各个地方都在跳动,第一年的一个场景接着是第 1 年的一个场景,然后跳回第 7 年到第 4 年,然后又跳回到第 8 年——并且在电影的整个过程中都如此. 一个重要的细节是,所有的行动都发生在他们穿越法国村庄和乡村的公路旅行中。 它拍摄于 1 年,因此在 soixante-huitards 开始搞砸一切之前,它具有法国的轻盈和质感。

    脱节的年表有助于加强他们相遇时的身份与他们在一起生活中的身份之间的对比。 他们最初的快乐让位于不可避免的婚姻摩擦,背叛、指责与和解,以及双方的不忠。 但幸运的是,好莱坞很幸运,他们终于想通了,当他们准备越过芒通的法国边境进入意大利时,我们得到了幸福的结局。

    这部电影中的屏幕化学反应是真实的; 这两位明星显然在拍摄过程中参与了,并且在镜头上显示了这种联系。 故事的性质让赫本有机会探索一些她以前从未在银幕上表现出来的情绪——愤怒、痛苦、嫉妒。 我认为这是她最好的作品,也是经典之作。 如果你没看过,强烈推荐。

    • 不同意: Honesthughgrant
    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Priss Factor
  123. 二为道极好。

    Written by Frederic Raphael, the guy who worked on EYES WIDE SHUT.

    • 回复: @Buck Ransom
  124. Angharad 说:
    @fnn

    “Johnny Guitar” is hilarious!

    • 回复: @dfordoom
  125. Lin 说:
    @Kiel

    You forgot ‘slut’

    Being a slut(like Cleopatra) is not a trade.
    But a stud is, as in the movie(or the stud or it’s handler in a farm) : Holly to Paul:”$300, she is very generous.”

    • 回复: @Kiel
  126. HammerJack 说:
    @Jabby Dot

    Same with “North by Norhwest” and no, it’s never coming back.

  127. syonredux 说:
    @James J. O'Meara

    Mitchum’s British, colour remakes are disparaged for obvious reasons but are actually pretty great. The way he finishes off Canino is what Bogart would have done but for the Hayes code.

    The Mitchum 永别了,我的可爱 is OK. Mitchum was, of course, far too old (Why didn’t they cast him as Marlowe back in the ’50s? He would have been perfect), but at least the movie was set in the ’40s. Mitchum’s 夜长梦多 was godawful. Marlowe belongs in LA, not London. Joan Collins was rather good as the trampy Agnes Lozelle, though.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  128. HammerJack 说:
    @dfordoom

    Capote celebrates the fact that his characters never grow up.

    If you say so. I say he laments this about his characters and this is the principal reason the book (unlike the film) is a tragedy.

  129. @Alden

    我对 AH 电影最大的问题是那些古老的、满脸皱纹的女人,他们是她的挚爱。 我相信佩帕德是唯一一个年龄不超过 25 岁的人。

    但是,制作《罗马假日》时 37 岁的格雷戈里·派克 (Gregory Peck) 并不是满脸皱纹的老傻瓜。

    她在 GREEN MANSIONS 和 Anthony Perkins 在一起,但 Perkins 是一个同性恋。

    Peter O’Toole was still youngish when he made HOW TO STEAL A MILLION.

    她最衷心的角色可能是为 ROBIN AND MARION。 到那时,这两个 60 年代的图标都已经消失了。

  130. @syonredux

    The Mitchum Farewell, My Lovely is OK. Mitchum was, of course, far too old (Why didn’t they cast him as Marlowe back in the ’50s?

    The great thing about Mitchum was he was always ‘too old’. He had that look on his face like ‘been there, done that’, a world-weary quality. In that sense, he was ageless.

    • 回复: @syonredux
  131. @Priss Factor

    Frederic Raphael wrote another 60s hit as well, 宠儿 starring Julie Christie.

  132. 早餐是一部愚蠢的电影——现在看它只是因为赫本唱歌 月亮河 很可爱。

    这本书充满了精美的文字,但除非你意识到每个人实际上都是同性恋,否则没有多大意义——而霍莉(注意双性别的名字)和她的“丈夫”并没有真正结婚。 猫是这部电影中最好的演员。

    林奇觉得有必要对米基鲁尼对日本人的刻画——与一百万 SJW 保持同步——进行一次疲惫的攻击,这真的很可悲。

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  133. @Priss Factor

    1)有趣的脸? 赫本想和阿斯泰尔跳舞。
    2)萨布丽娜? 这就是戏剧——老屁得到女孩。 但我同意鲍嘉太老了。
    3)罗马假日? 是的,如果有纽曼或 1920 年代出生的人会更好。
    4) 我的窈窕淑女? 雷克斯哈里森拥有该部分。
    5) 爱在下午? 完全误投。 库珀太老了
    6)战争与和平? 彻底的灾难。 亨利·方达——WTF!
    7) 猜谜? 实际上与加里格兰特一起工作。 但那是加里格兰特——百万分之一。

    • 回复: @Alden
  134. syonredux 说:
    @Priss Factor

    The Mitchum Farewell, My Lovely is OK. Mitchum was, of course, far too old (Why didn’t they cast him as Marlowe back in the ’50s?

    The great thing about Mitchum was he was always ‘too old’. He had that look on his face like ‘been there, done that’, a world-weary quality. In that sense, he was ageless.

    There’s world-weary, and then there’s weary because you’re too old. So, Mitchum in Out of The Past was world-weary; in 夜长梦多, he needed a nice nap in a comfy chair.

    What was Mitchum’s last great performance? For my money, it was Eddie “Fingers” Coyle in 埃迪科伊尔的朋友 (1973). Top-notch New England crime picture.

  135. @Priss Factor

    Hepburn was 37 when she made 两个为道 with Albert Finney, who was
    close to 10 years younger. They seem roughly the same age in the film.

  136. MaryLS 说:
    @Kent Nationalist

    这和绿野仙踪有什么关系? 巫师是一个奇妙的美国神话,具有多层含义。

  137. Alden 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Other than Peck, O’Toole and Perkins, her other love interests were wrinkled old codgers. Peck was born middle aged. He looked 45 to her 18-20 year old character. O’Toole was very wrinkled in How to Steal a Million. Probably b cause of his alcoholism.

    She was known for elderly love interests in her movies. Her husband was a few years younger.

  138. @Honesthughgrant

    林奇觉得有必要对米基鲁尼对日本人的刻画——与一百万 SJW 保持同步——进行一次疲惫的攻击,这真的很可悲。

    大多数司法瘾君子类型甚至知道这部电影吗? 我认为他们中的大多数人都喜欢电子游戏(或抱怨它)、超级英雄电影、新星球大战和说唱。 我怀疑他们中的大多数人是否甚至会看 20 年以上的电影。

    Btw, PC isn’t about outrage about ALL peoples. Notice how Justice Junkies are mostly silent about the plight of Palestinians. And they are fully onboard with bashing Syrians and Russians. Of late, they only pretend to care about Kurds out of hatred for Trump. PC is about outrage over blacks, Jews, and homos/trannies. Making fun of other groups doesn’t really count.

  139. Alden 说:
    @Buck Ransom

    我记得这一切。 在她丈夫开始赚大钱之前,她有一个非常现实的普通衣橱。

    不同于通常的纪梵希时装秀。

    即使美元兑法郎走高; 她怎么可能有钱在萨布丽娜那里买那些巴黎名牌衣服? 她回家那天穿的那件西装 大概花了
    2,000 年代中期 50 美元,当时 6,000 美元是中产阶级的年薪。

  140. @syonredux

    I haven’t seen BIG SLEEP with Mitchum(and don’t want to), but I thought he was pretty effective in FAREWELL MY LOVELY. Also, that period, from late 60s to mid 70s, was about neo-noirs. POINT BLANK, LONG GOODBYE, FAREWELL MY LOVELY, and CHINATOWN were trying to upend the genre. It was also the period of the Anti-Western.

    Old noir glazed style over grim reality. Neo-noir peeled off the style for a cruder look at reality.

    • 回复: @syonredux
  141. Alden 说:
    @Honesthughgrant

    在战争与和平中,电影开始时娜塔莎大约 14 岁。 爱在下午。 在她的大部分电影中,她都扮演了一个穿着得体的成年女性

    在《爱在下午》中她演了18、19岁还住在家里。 她穿得像一个住在家里的19岁学生。 青少年时期的发型也是如此。

    库珀 69 岁。但他做了几十年的日光浴,看起来更老了。 也许这就是为什么派克和很多老演员这么早起皱的原因。

    她的电影赚了大钱。 观众喜欢他们。

    • 回复: @AceDeuce
  142. Alden 说:

    Has the word Tiffany’s attracted any jewelry ADs on anyone else’s computer?

  143. obwandiyag 说:
    @dfordoom

    Yes, of course. Celebrating this paean to hedonism as some apotheosis of good ol’ traditional-values America?

    These people on here are just clueless. Clueless. And that imbecile who wrote the article undoubtedly gets paid for it, too.

    People with lobotomies could write better, or at least more informed, articles.

    • 巨魔: Anonymousse
  144. syonredux 说:
    @Priss Factor

    I haven’t seen BIG SLEEP with Mitchum(and don’t want to), but I thought he was pretty effective in FAREWELL MY LOVELY.

    He’s better in 告别 than he is in 夜长梦多.

    Also, that period, from late 60s to mid 70s, was about neo-noirs. POINT BLANK, LONG GOODBYE, FAREWELL MY LOVELY, and CHINATOWN were trying to upend the genre.

    Were they trying to upend the genre with 永别了,我的可爱? As I recall, it seemed to be more of an exercise in genre nostalgia.

    再见了, though, was an attempt to upend the genre. The whole point of the movie is that Marlowe is out of place in ’70s SoCal. The film opens with Marlowe awakening from deep sleep, as though he’s been in hibernation since the ’40s, and he’s even called “Rip van Marlowe” at one point, further driving home the sense that this is not his proper time and place.

  145. Were they trying to upend the genre with Farewell, My Lovely? As I recall, it seemed to be more of an exercise in genre nostalgia.

    You’re right in some respects. But I thought the garish color remake with Mitchum was a lot grubbier and more sordid than past noir, not least because the Hays Code was history. It was more in-your-face, and Stallone added some lord-of-flatbush rawness to it.

    While noir was always seedy and disturbed, the element of style usually held throughout the film. But style seem to fall apart in color neo-noirs in the 60s and 70s. Polanski did something remarkable with CHINATOWN because the style is so assured and yet the film has so much of 70s street-style realism.

  146. anonymous1963 [又名“ anon19”] 说:
    @Ancient Briton

    At least it was safe sport. Before the Jamacian gangbangers did their nightly shootings like now.

  147. @houston 1992

    但是,她这一代中的谁可以与票房抽奖的人配对?

    她这一代有很多男明星都获得了票房,但他们作为奥黛丽赫本的男主角是完全错误的。 上一代男明星更适合她。

    另一方面,乔治佩帕德几乎和她同岁。 他是适合她的男明星,因为按照 1961 年的标准,他是一个略显老式的男主角。

  148. @Angharad

    “Johnny Guitar” is hilarious!

    Yes, it’s one of the great so-bad-it’s-good movies. Nicholas Ray made some amazingly bad movies. 派对女郎 is a classic stinker despite a very good performance by the underrated Robert Taylor.

    • 回复: @Angharad
  149. @Buck Ransom

    二为道极好。

    It’s decent movie but could have been much better. Its European art-house mannerisms are most annoying, and there are too many caricatures, especially the intellectual couple with the bratty daughter. Also, Albert Finney’s character is so unlikable that it’s rather saddening to see Hepburn shack up with him.

    It’s a Hollywood movie draped in trendy Euro-artiness and gliding on chic, and it all seems artificial and contrived, a patchwork of stylistics than a whole cloth. Nichols did it much better with THE GRADUATE where the Europeanism and Hollywoodism were matched seamlessly, creating, at least for awhile, a new hybrid cinematic language that paved the way for MIDNIGHT COWBOY, HAROLD AND MAUDE, and MCCABE AND MRS MILLER.

    I suppose one could argue that the artifice was intended, that the story is about two young people who met and fell in love but whose later neo-bourgeois incarnations became infused with airs of status and faux-sophistication. And yet, the sadness is they can’t regain what was lost. Too distant and too simple, and too painful. They can’t go home again, just like Lancaster character in THE SWIMMER.

    • 回复: @SunBakedSuburb
  150. Just watched WWII in HD the coloring was irritating all the way through. Sure some footage at the time was color, but most was not —

    No other way for me to say it — distracting

  151. @Jabby Dot

    At this point, I’d settle for the NYC of the 1990s. Oddly enough, one of my early NYC jobs was in one of the towers in Rock City, and it looked like something straight out of 疯子。 I even had a sofa in my office, but unfortunately no bar. I worked for a division head who’d take me out for Three-Martini lunches. Ah, I can only dream of what it would have been like to be a white male junior executive in the NYC of the 1960s.

  152. swamped 说:

    “将其视为怀旧的、逃避现实的娱乐——一个世纪中叶的美国时间胶囊”……就像这篇评论一样,在近六十年后似乎不再有必要了。 “我敢打赌你会想把它当作一部人物研究来重新观看,甚至设法传达一个‘信息’——而且是一个有益健康的信息”……别赌农场,妓女没有什么“有益健康”的,甚至是中产阶级;纽约市是一个你能想象到的最不健康的地方,即使是在白思豪之前也是如此。一个邪恶、痴迷的深坑,从来没有什么值得怀念的。它几乎无法向内陆地区大多数真正的美国人“传达美国青年在巅峰时期的欢乐和愚蠢”,因为他们对纽约的颓废没有多少感伤的感情。何况奥黛丽·赫本那个窈窕的贵族根本就不是美国人! “最终成长并真正采取立场、真正成为某个人的必要性”……实际上没有被定义。同年(即 1961 年)上映的另一部电影《可怜的白色垃圾》,由哈罗德·丹尼尔斯执导,彼得·格雷夫斯和丽塔·米兰主演,对于许多美国人来说,可能更接近于中世纪的时间胶囊,至少在立交桥国家是如此。

  153. Pericles 说:
    @Priss Factor

    I heard Capote wasn’t pleased with Hepburn in the role and had in mind someone like Marilyn Monroe.

    It appears he and Marilyn were friends or at least comrades in arms. Have a look at this, some similarities to BAT right?

    What was [Marilyn] like backstage? (in Goffman’s sense, not just in the movie world) Our best glimpse into that side of her life is an account by Truman Capote of an afternoon he spent with her in April 1955. They are at a funeral parlor in New York, a memorial for a grand old lady of the theatre who had been something of a mentor to Marilyn. As usual, Marilyn is very late. When she arrives in the entry hall, she explains she couldn’t decide what to wear—was it proper to wear eyelashes and lipstick? She had to wash it all off. What she decided to wear was a black scarf to hide her hair, a long shapeless black gown, black stockings, combined with erotic high heels and owlish sunglasses. She is gnawing at her fingernails, as she often did.

    Marilyn: “I’m so jumpy. Where’s the john? If I could just pop in there for a minute–”

    Capote: “And pop a pill? No! Shhh. […They’ve] started the eulogy.”

    They sit in the last row through the speeches. After it’s over, Marilyn refuses to leave.

    Marilyn: “I don’t want to have to talk to anybody. I never know what to say.”

    Capote: “Then you sit here, and I’ll wait outside. I’ve got to have a cigarette.”

    Marilyn: “You can’t leave me alone! My God! Smoke here.”

    Capote: “Here? In the chapel?”

    Marilyn: “Why not? What do you want to smoke? A reefer?”

    Capote: “Very funny. Come on, let’s go.”

    Marilyn: “Please. There’s a lot of shutterbugs downstairs. And I certainly don’t want them taking my picture looking like this.” … “Actually, I could’ve worn makeup. I see all these other people were wearing makeup.”

    Capote: “I am. Gobs.”

    Marilyn: “Seriously, though. It’s my hair. I need color. And I didn’t have time to get any. It was so unexpected. Miss Collier dying and all. See?” She displays, under her scarf, a dark line at her hair part.

    Capote: “Poor innocent me. And all this time I thought you were a bona-fide blonde.”

    Marilyn: “I am. But nobody’s that natural. And incidentally, fuck you.”

    (The banter goes on from there.)

    http://sociological-eye.blogspot.com/2019/07/marilyn-monroes-networks-pulled-her.html

    So she seems like a very natural choice, possibly even being the muse of Capote’s book. On the other hand, perhaps big, brash show girl Marilyn wouldn’t have come across as sympathetic as the gracile Audrey on the screen.

    • 回复: @Spike
  154. Pericles 说:
    @Priss Factor

    All about power, privilege, money, status. All about money and status.

    Even if the newlyweds page of the New York Times apparently has the unofficial name of Mergers & Acquisitions, I still think whoring is considered transactional on a level beyond that. Well, perhaps not in New York?

  155. @The Alarmist

    Interesting that the period of the “three martini lunch” (along with “sexual harassment”) coincided with America’s industrial domination of the world. Execs seemed able to operate quite well on three martinis. (As did Brits on their comparable “nips out to the pub”, so it’s not just America as the only WWII winner). Then that moralizing bastard Carter declared jihad on it, along with gasoline and central heating. Now it’s all protein shakes and yoga classes, and the economy is in the dumpster. Funny how that works.

    One thing, though, is that the martinis of the day were served in very small glasses; when Cary Grant picks up his gibson (gimlet?) in NbyNW it disappears behind his fist. At some point in the 90s, during the “bachelor pad” revival, the glasses and consequently alcohol amounts became gigantic, part of the whole “supersize” trick (extra amounts added to an already inflated price give the illusion of getting “something extra” for the high price).

    • 回复: @The Alarmist
    , @dfordoom
  156. @dfordoom

    可能适合赫本年龄的男主角:

    雷德福、奥图尔、康纳利、伊斯特伍德、凯恩、比蒂、麦昆、加纳、洛克哈德森、赫斯顿、纽曼、白兰度、理查德伯顿、克利夫特罗伯逊、比蒂、蒙哥马利克利夫特、威廉霍尔登。

    问题是,大多数出生于 1920 年代末和 1930 年代的优秀男主角直到 1960 年代才成为明星。 这就是为什么可以在 1950 年代与赫本勾搭的主要演员的数量相当少——而且大多数都太老了。 在那个年代,大多数男演员直到 30 岁左右才成为明星——赫本拍《罗马假日》时才 24 岁。 顺便说一句,芬尼比她年轻得多,但看起来同龄。 太糟糕了,他因为缺乏魅力而毁了“两个人的道路”。

  157. @dfordoom

    so an older GI generation leading man was needed for the younger Silent (1925-42) actress?

  158. @Ian Smith

    Cinematic justice remains to be done for Das Gedulige Fleisch, as it was titled in the original German. I don’t think Sam Peckinpah had the ability to understand the subtlety of the novel and casting James Coburn as Rolf Steiner was a mistake; Coburn was just too American to ever convince anyone that he was a German non-commissioned officer. I doubt, however, that any German director would want to touch it, even 75 years after WWII.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  159. @James J. O'Meara

    As did Brits on their comparable “nips out to the pub”, so it’s not just America as the only WWII winner.

    On my first assignment to London in the ’90s, I was surprised how hammered my colleagues got at lunch, and even more surprised at how brazenly otherwise co-workers openly snogged with persons not their spouse. I still see that at some evening events around Christmas. This probably explains why the City of London still dominates in finance despite the best efforts of NYC to try to unseat them.

    Then that moralizing bastard Carter declared jihad on it, along with gasoline and central heating. Now it’s all protein shakes and yoga classes, and the economy is in the dumpster.

    In NYC in the ’90s, hookers and blow were often on offer to clients, and our female colleagues were not at all shy about joining us and the clients at Scores. Client gifts were also very generous, as well as trips and other entertainment. The industry started cracking down on that in the mid ’00s, which obviously ushered in the Global Financial Crisis from which the world has never quite recovered.

    One thing, though, is that the martinis of the day were served in very small glasses….

    Sure, in the movies. My grand-dad proudly told us he only had one cocktail a day, but it was a 20oz. tumbler glass with a Manhattan; he was not alone at the club in that indulgence.

  160. @Diversity Heretic

    I doubt, however, that any German director would want to touch it, even 75 years after WWII.

    But Germans did make STALINGRAD, DAS BOOT, and DOWNFALL that humanized the Wehrmacht and even Nazi leadership. Not glorified but still presented as all-too-human.

    Peckinpah’s CROSS OF IRON has to be taken for what it’s worth. An international production like BRIDGE TOO FAR. I think it was the success of DIRTY DOZEN and PATTON that paved the way for other WWII movies in the 70s. Peckinpah meets WWII, it sounded too good to pass up.

    The problem isn’t simply with Coburn. James Mason is far too British to come across as a German officer. Also, Peckinpah’s style of action is too intense and spectacular for an anti-war movie.

    But if you accept it for what it, an international production and Coburn star vehicle, and Peckinpah’s opportunity to blow stuff up, it’s a pretty good show. I prefer it to BIG RED ONE.

  161. chris 说:
    @Alden

    Thanks, Alden, I did read almost all of Whaugh’s books (except for Brideshead) and fount them absolutely excellent. I also agree that The Loved One does lose a little bit of its dimensions in its movie adaptation, but the cast makes up for that and I don’t think it would be easy to improve on it either.

    • 回复: @dfordoom
  162. AceDeuce 说:
    @Alden

    Love in the Afternoon, released in 1957, was filmed in 1956. Cooper was 55 when filming the movie. He never made it to 69, or even close. He died in 1961, a few days after he turned 60.

    • 回复: @Alden
  163. Alden 说:
    @The Alarmist

    You’d have been married with a house in the suburbs and first baby on the way by the time you were 27 if you had a good job.

    Most companies encouraged early marriage for young executives with not so subtle hints. So did families and friends. Often you’d see a group of 5 friends all get married within 18 months.

    Things changed abruptly by 69,70.

    • 回复: @The Alarmist
  164. Alden 说:
    @AceDeuce

    I thought he was 69. Whatever, he looked a sunbaked 75. Not a love interest for a 19 year old student living at home. And she stalked him

    • 回复: @anon
    , @AceDeuce
  165. Spike 说:
    @Pericles

    Reading this article inspired me to look up Capote and I came across a documentary that said his mother was the inspiration for Holly. She was whoring herself out in the 1920’s getting picked up and dropped off in the South and disappearing for months to sell herself in New York while leaving Capote to be raised by his country relatives. Hmmm…the roaring 20’s, feminism, flappers, shorter dresses, the automobile…technology meets liberalism meets feminism meets hyper-materialism all promoted by the media. This crap started 100 years ago. Now it’s liberal feminism, tattoos, mini skirts and stripper heels, airplanes and Instagram, all promoted by… the media. Of course, we now have a much more “diverse” selection of these women in greater numbers than ever before. Today, white Holly Golightly has been replaced by brown Cardi B and a million other low IQ brownies just like her.

  166. Spike 说:
    @The Germ Theory of Disease

    Lol. The same thing happened to me with Chariots of Fire when I was a kid. I was into sci-fi and fantasy (still am) and thought it was going to be an epic fantasy story with actual chariots on fire and monsters and humans battling in some ancient Roman fantasy world. Boy was I wrong. As the movie was playing I remember feeling stupid and angry for not asking my father what the movie was going to be about.

  167. @James J. O'Meara

    Interesting that the period of the “three martini lunch” (along with “sexual harassment”) coincided with America’s industrial domination of the world. Execs seemed able to operate quite well on three martinis.

    Execs were able to operate quite well on three martinis, and lots of cigarettes. And steaks. Alcohol plus nicotine plus meat-eating equals rapid technological and economic progress.

    Today we operate on salads and antidepressants and weed, so we have technological stagnation and economic bubbles.

    • 哈哈: The Alarmist
  168. @chris

    Thanks, Alden, I did read almost all of Whaugh’s books (except for Brideshead) and fount them absolutely excellent.

    He was absolutely on fire in the 1930s. Vile Bodies, Black Mischief, Scoop – magnificent stuff.

    • 回复: @chris
  169. 感谢您的评论。这部电影在我的愿望清单上,你的评论激励我终于观看了这部伟大的电影。
    奥黛丽赫本让我着迷。
    然而……最后她释放猫的部分让我对霍莉失去了很多同情。当然,我们一直都知道他们会找回猫。就好像猫是她对有形事物缺乏承诺或信念的隐喻。不过我还是得看小说剧本中的事情发生了很大的变化。
    也许卡波特最初对玛丽莲的偏爱对霍莉的偏爱更可信。赫本有太多的阶级,作为一个去纽约的乡巴佬,没有可信度。
    霍莉绝对不是结婚对象。

    • 回复: @dfordoom
  170. Kiel 说:
    @Lin

    “Being a slut(like Cleopatra) is not a trade.”

    Nonsense, most women practice hypergamy, which is the formal name for the slutty behavior of trading-often, without emotion or compunction, and most importantly . . . trading-up.

    Use, Use-Up, Discard, Rinse and Repeat!

    It’s a business in a very real sense, with definitive tangible rewards if done right.

    And ole’ Cleopatra, having reached the pinnacle that few will ever reach, traded her ‘charms’ for her life.

    • 回复: @Alden
  171. Rex Little 说:

    Patricia Neal (who once played opposite a certain Ellsworth Toohey in King Vidor’s film of Ayn Rand’s The Fountainhead)

    No, she played opposite Howard Roark (played by Gary Cooper). On IMDB’s cast page, Toohey is listed fifth.

    Sorry to pick nits, but I don’t have anything to say about Breakfast At Tiffany’s, never having seen it.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  172. @SonOfFrankenstein

    就好像猫是她对有形事物缺乏承诺或信念的隐喻。

    The cat is the key to the story. In the book she releases the cat (it’s been a long long time since I read it but I seem to remember that it’s more a case of her chasing the cat away than releasing him) because cats are free spirits and they don’t belong to anyone.

    In the movie Holly has learnt enough to realise her mistake and to realise that this is adolescent nonsense. Everybody wants to belong to somebody. Including cats. Even owning a pet requires accepting responsibility, it requires a commitment. And it’s a commitment that benefits both the pet and the owner. Even the cat, in his cat way, understands this. They don’t have much trouble finding him because he’s not stupid. It will soon be dinnertime.

    Interestingly enough in the book there’s a suggestion that the cat is smarter than Holly and what’s-his-face (which admittedly is not too difficult). He finds someone else who will accept a commitment. He’ll be fine because he’s a cat and he doesn’t give a damn about freedom. He wants regular meals, affection and a nice comfy place to sleep. It’s as if Capote had his doubts about the benefits of freedom.

    书中与猫的最后一幕(在霍莉释放猫很久之后)非常重要,但经常被忽视或误解。猫出现在故事​​中是有原因的。

    The final scene with the cat in the movie is not sentimentality. If they hadn’t looked for the cat then it would have been a sign that they were not ready for grown-up commitments. Again, the cat is in the story for a reason.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  173. @Alden

    You’d have been married with a house in the suburbs and first baby on the way by the time you were 27 if you had a good job.

    You forgot the part where I’d have a small 临时住所 in the City for my girl on the side.

    • 回复: @Alden
  174. anon[142]• 免责声明 说:
    @Alden

    Sunbathing massively boosts testosterone levels in men, it doesn’t do women any harm, either.

    • 回复: @Alden
  175. anon[346]• 免责声明 说:

    In Casino Royale, when Bond gives his famous drink recipe, he says something like “I only have one drink before dinner, but it must be very large, very cold and very good.”

  176. @dfordoom

    In the movie Holly has learnt enough to realise her mistake and to realise that this is adolescent nonsense. Everybody wants to belong to somebody. Including cats.

    Still, part of her appeal is that she is a ‘wild thing’ and free spirit. It’s a paradox. That free quality draws men to her, but men drawn to her wants to own her and ‘put her in a cage’.

    Same goes the dynamics in MARNIE where Sean Connery gets excitement in playing the hunter with Tippi Hedren as the game.

    • 回复: @dfordoom
  177. @Priss Factor

    Still, part of her appeal is that she is a ‘wild thing’ and free spirit. It’s a paradox. That free quality draws men to her, but men drawn to her wants to own her and ‘put her in a cage’.

    Yes. Life is compromise. You hope you can find somebody to whom you can belong without feeling that you’re in a cage. Growing up means that you realise that that is your best chance of happiness. Holly isn’t going to find that kind of man if she continues being a whore. In fact being a whore will eventually put her in a worse cage.

    She gambles that Paul is the right type of man. He’s probably as good as she’s going to get.

    Same goes the dynamics in MARNIE where Sean Connery gets excitement in playing the hunter with Tippi Hedren as the game.

    Now there’s a movie worth reviewing. Not one of Hitchcock’s best but definitely extremely interesting.

    Even more interesting would be a comparison with Winston Graham’s novel. As with BAT the differences between novel and film are illuminating.

    • 回复: @SunBakedSuburb
  178. @Priss Factor

    Excellent and accurate comment about Mike Nichols’ amazing The Graduate (1967), and its influence on American cinema in the 1970s. In my view there is a direct link between Nichols’ film and Bob Rafelson’s Five Easy Pieces (1970). Thematically, both films center on alienation.

    • 回复: @Alden
  179. @syonredux

    I’ve watched The Friends of Eddie Coyle (1973) numerous times. It somewhat resembles The Maltese Falcon (1941) in that it mainly consists of interior scenes heavy in dialog between cops and crooks and crooks and crooks. Wonderful dialog.

    • 回复: @Jeff Stryker
  180. @dfordoom

    “Not one of Hitchcock’s best but definitely extremely interesting.”

    The backstage drama behind Marnie (1964) is interesting. Tippi Hedren became the target of Hitchcock’s obsession in The Birds (1963), and then a victim of his psychological torture in Marnie. Strangely, or obviously, this abuse served the storyline of both films.

    • 回复: @Alden
  181. Alden 说:
    @Kiel

    Being born heir to the throne of the Pharaohs, Cleopatra reached the pinnacle before she met up with Caesar and Antony. Direct descendant of Phillip of Macedonia and Alexander’s brother and sister, she was far and above those 2. Egypt was wealthier than Rome and all of Italy in her time.

    Another misogynistic woman hating sad old celibate bachelor heard from. The fact that you had to back more than 2,000 years to cite Cleopatra shows there’s no women in your life.

    • 回复: @byrresheim
    , @Kiel
  182. @SunBakedSuburb

    The Departed and Black Mass really did not convey the actual Irish mafia like Mitchum. He was the real deal. You believed him as a weary criminal.

  183. Alden 说:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    I didn’t like The Graduate at all. Typical Jewish sneering at White Christians and the world we built. And leaving a handsome blond at the altar for a short ugly, sexually repulsive Jew?? Yuck

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
    , @chris
    , @Anon
  184. Liza 说:

    America “at its peak” would never have produced people like Holly or Paul or most of the others. (Holly’s husband may be an exception.)

    That beautiful surroundings and superficially beautiful and rich white people indicate greatness in a country is the attitude that got us to where we are today.

    This story is about America tottering and staggering, with two people unexpectedly, miraculously, setting themselves right. Maybe the book intended that we should come to this conclusion, I don’t know.

  185. @Alden

    I didn’t like The Graduate at all.

    One thing I don’t like about THE GRADUATE is making Mr. Robinson out to be a bad guy at the end. He has reason to be upset. In the novel, it’s Ben’s father who visits him at Berkeley. Still, the scene works, and Norman Fell’s reaction to the outburst is a riot.

    To be fair to the movie, Ben is no knight in shining armor. He is often something of a jerk.
    We root for him because his passion is real.

    And Hoffman in 67, though no ladykiller, had youth and spirit.

  186. America “at its peak” would never have produced people like Holly or Paul or most of the others. (Holly’s husband may be an exception.)

    There are a lot of people in a civilization, and every civilization, at its peak or not, produces people like that.

    Also, times of great wealth means more fun and hedonism, and that means decadence.

  187. AceDeuce 说:
    @Alden

    It was widely commented in old Hollywood that Coop was hung like a Louisville Slugger. That plus lotsa $$ and being a top dog in Hollywood…..he got more ass than a toilet seat at the bus station.

  188. Alden 说:
    @anon

    I have nothing against sunbathing, old men, alcoholics and druggies.

    But all those wrinkled oldsters like DeNiro etc just look bad on screen. For the last 40 years nostril shots or Extreme Close UPs have been the fashion in cinema photography. Not even the entire face, just mouth, nose and eyes, not even chin and forehead. It’s supposed to give audiences a sense of intimacy with the character and action.

    One wonders why they even bother with sets and locations. Just the middle parts of faces. The least the DP could use long and medium shots for the elderly. But ECUs are in style.

    55 year old appearing Susan Sarandon as mother of a 5 year old is bad. But at least with cosmetic surgery and long shots instead of continual close ups, she passed for a mid 40s plausible mother of a 5 year old.

  189. Alden 说:
    @The Alarmist

    Should have mentioned a major reason for early marriage. The Draft!!!! With Vietnam heating up, many college seniors made sure to get married as soon as they graduated and the student exemption ended. The draft also encouraged many men to go to grad school to extend the student exemption.

    And yes, you’d probably have a girl in the city. I remember so many of my parents friends got divorced when the youngest finished high school.
    Reason was usually the husband and his secretary had a long term relationship.

  190. Alden 说:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    The first and second scene in Marnie are some of the best ever. It’s a factory, the Friday morning before the long holiday weekend. Factory closes at noon so everyone can get a start on the weekend

    Miss Perfect Secretary volunteers to stay till 5 to answer the phones. It’s long before voicemail. She goes out to her car, gets a suitcase, opens the safe, takes out thousands and drives away with a smile on her face.

    Next scene, a bed in a hotel room. She tosses about a dozen IDs and social security cards in different names on the bed.

    All time favorite is the opening scene of Rob Roy. Rob and his crew of rieviers chasing down a crew of cattle rustlers on foot. Beautifully done.

  191. “Nah, Blacks used to get a kick out of Stepin Fetchit, Amos n’ Andy, and minstrel shows. It was only when (((certain people))) informed us all that such portrayals are racist that they soured and became angry about it.”

    If i were you I would do some reading about how the roles of Amos an Andy were viewed by blacks then, forward. Or you might want to spend some time talking to blacks who are film historians. One of the great follies of contemporary society is that blacks needs whites to comprehend social constructions and meanings for their lives. Whether it ‘s Amos n Andy, Stepin Fetchit or Rochester . . .

    And these characters and caricatures were popular among whites. By the 1950’s blacks began to challenge the motifs which they believed whites saw as the embodiment of black citizens as opposed the entertainment modes in the likes of Laurel and Hardy, Buster Keaton and other entertainment tropes of comedy.

  192. “Nah, Blacks used to get a kick out of Stepin Fetchit, Amos n’ Andy, and minstrel shows. It was only when (((certain people))) informed us all that such portrayals are racist that they soured and became angry about it.”

    Ironically, Jews played a huge role in blackface and minstrel shows. And Fetchit was a Hollywood product. Hollywood wasn’t controlled by Eskimos.

  193. @Liza

    America “at its peak” would never have produced people like Holly or Paul or most of the others. (Holly’s husband may be an exception.)

    That beautiful surroundings and superficially beautiful and rich white people indicate greatness in a country is the attitude that got us to where we are today.

    Not quite. This is the type of behavior one sees in naturalist or satirical novels by Theodore Dreiser & Sinclair Lewis, covering period from 1890 to 1920, approximately.

    • 回复: @Liza
  194. @Liza

    America “at its peak” would never have produced people like Holly or Paul or most of the others. (Holly’s husband may be an exception.)

    Don’t make the mistake of assuming NYC and its denizens are part of America. I have said to many that living in NYC for more than a few years made it easy to leave America altogether.

    • 同意: Liza
  195. byrresheim 说:
    @Alden

    Now, if you could cut out the ugly ad hominems, one might find some merit to your argument.

    What is wrong with you that you have to resort to ugliness instead of relying on your command of facts?

    • 回复: @Alden
  196. @Rex Little

    No, she played opposite Howard Roark (played by Gary Cooper). On IMDB’s cast page, Toohey is listed fifth.

    Right, she was in opposition to Toohey but played opposite Cooper.
    Interesting that she’s referred to as 2E in BAT. Was that an allusion to Toohey?

  197. @The Alarmist

    I saw some of it in 1960, aged 12. My uncle was a Senior VP at American Express, and he was 40. If he hadn’t had a heart problem just a year later he would have been its youngest ever President. He did recover though, and went on to be the President and CEO of another company, a job which made him famous.

    Anyway, here is what life for a young (if not perhaps junior) executive right in the middle of Manhattan was like (apart of course from the actual business side of it, which I knew – and know – nothing about): a large house in Locust Valley on two acres, two servants, and a nanny for the younger of the five children; membership of a city club (mostly used for those bibulous lunches) and a country club, used much more often, and intensively by the wife and children, the locus of every activity not centred on the home; summers at places like Point O’Woods on Fire Island; frequent trips abroad, mostly London and occasionally Paris, and to the West Coast, where the family had close connections to precisely that old European Hollywood set which gave its inspiration to films like the one we are discussing here; prep schools for the children, where some did rather better than others, causing maternal angst and paternal indifference; oh, and a bit later, when most everybody had decided that the weather on the West Coast was just too good to ignore any longer, a pied-a-terre in the Ritz Tower, just to show that they were still around, and not ready to be forgotten .

    It was decorative, spacious, and picturesque, but, as the “heart problem” hints, it was by no means always easy.

    • 回复: @The Alarmist
  198. chris 说:
    @dfordoom

    Funnily enough I just recently saw the movie “Downton Abbey” which just reminded me of how much I miss Waugh and for that matter Chesterton and Wodehouse and that entire generation also. In his pinky, as they say, Waugh had more talent then the author of this claptrap of a movie.

    “Abby” being a curtain call for British fossils to sacrifice ‘glory’ of their Victorian age, in order to persuade the current generation of British aristocracy afictionados to forsake their meager trove of values without even being properly entertained for their effort. Especially annoying being the oh so modern progressive personalities and the now ubiquitous “gay” scenes, directly aimed at undermining the remaining vestige of moral anchors left in their society. I wish that society a good parting and may the royal doorknob not hit them in the arse.

  199. chris 说:
    @Alden

    Dustin’s subsequent and very credible accusations of being (and having been) a complete creep, doesn’t exactly help the cartoonish moral tale of the Graduate from aging any better than he himself did.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
    , @Alden
  200. Liza 说:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Bardon, it’s not Dreiser or Lewis who are representing the events & conditions in the book and movie as being America “at its peak” (1940s in the book and 1960 in the film). It is the reviewer, Trevor Lynch, who believes this. I find that a bit shocking that he would think so; he seems to be a pretty smart reviewer in general.

    它传达了美国青年在鼎盛时期的欢乐和愚蠢——一个看似无限潜力的时代

    Arty, good looking white people; stylish clothes; fine buildings. Is that all there is? Nothing seething beneath the surface calling for justice; no ugliness infecting the culture? I am not surprised this book was written by a homosexual. Whoever coined the phrase “deeply superficial” must’ve had this film in mind. I saw it a couple of decades ago and just hated it, though I could not have articulated exactly why at the time.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
    , @6dust6
  201. @Liza

    从二战结束到 60 年代中期,大多数美国人从来没有这么好过。 在那个时代,大多数美国人都可以声称自己是中产阶级。
    但是 60 年代对青年文化和毒品、种族骚乱、越南战争、移民法案等的过度放纵导致了我们今天所知的美国的刀耕火种。

    But you’re right. The seeds of destruction were already there sprouting before the 60s really happened.

  202. @chris

    Most people in arts and movie industry are creeps. Talent is what matters, and Hoffman was perfect for THE GRADUATE. Just the right mix of gloom and gleam.

    • 回复: @chris
  203. @Priss Factor

    是的,你可以看到 50 年代末和 60 年代文学的衰落,海明威、福克纳、斯坦贝克、奥哈拉、TS 艾略特、索尔贝娄等逐渐淡出舞台,取而代之的是维达尔、艾伦金斯伯格、厄普代克、冯内古特, 邮递员等阿尔。 所有次等和第二率。

    60 年代初到中期电影的腐烂被好莱坞拍摄的一系列动作片、战争片、50 年代的好莱坞音乐剧和乏味的英剧如“四季皆宜”所掩盖。

    到 60 年代末,Hair 取代了 Singing in the Rain,The wild bundle 取代了 Shane,而 Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolff 取代了 All about Eve。 白兰度从“在海滨”到“燃烧”和“金色眼睛的倒影”。

    有人写了一篇关于衰落的随笔:

    从罗斯福到尼克松,
    从《绿野仙踪》到《巫师》,
    你不会相信这是可能的,
    但是'提斯。

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Priss Factor
  204. Alden 说:
    @byrresheim

    Why do you have to attack the sex life of the Queen of a country greater than Rome at the time whose people considered her to be a God??

    Why not attack the adulterers Cesare and Marc Antony who were married? Cleopatra was single and didn’t betray a husband as those two betrayed a wife. Shouldn’t a great moralist thinker such as yourself condemn adultery?

    And as Queen and Chief God of Egypt, she was far, far wealthier and more royal than they were.
    They were the gold diggers. She was not.

    Stop insulting women and I won’t insult you anymore.

    • 回复: @dfordoom
  205. Alden 说:
    @Honesthughgrant

    谁害怕弗吉尼亚·沃尔夫(Virginia Wolfe)

    2个醉汉喊了几个小时。 2个傻瓜留下来观看而不是回家。

    弗吉尼亚沃尔夫是我看过的第一部大声笑的智力电影。 让我永远反对有声望的知识分子电影。 我试着读了两本弗吉尼亚沃尔夫的书。 无法通过前 2 页。

    她,她的兄弟姐妹和同父异母的兄弟姐妹是一名生病的船员。 不仅乱伦,而且双性恋乱伦。 当她两岁时,他们开始在弗吉尼亚。 他们也把他们的配偶带了进来。 父母都疯了。 母亲声称上帝赋予了治愈的力量。 她会去看望病人并为他们下手。

    • 回复: @dfordoom
  206. Alden 说:
    @chris

    I just thought it was awful awful. But then, I despise prestige intellectual movies.

  207. @Honesthughgrant

    是的,你可以看到 50 年代末和 60 年代文学的衰落,海明威、福克纳、斯坦贝克、奥哈拉、TS 艾略特、索尔贝娄等逐渐淡出舞台,取而代之的是维达尔、艾伦金斯伯格、厄普代克、冯内古特, 邮递员等阿尔。 所有次等和第二率。

    贝娄在 60 年代和 70 年代达到了巅峰。

    Hemingway introduced a direct journalistic style of writing, but his legendary status owes much to his persona. It’s difficult to take anything by him as Great Literature now.
    斯坦贝克是一位优秀的讲故事的人,但完全传统。

    Mailer was often crude and vulgar but he was a great writer. Vonnegut was brilliant with ideas. Philip Roth is another great. Don Delillo has a remarkable way with words. I don’t think literature, by and large, got worse from 60s to 90s, but the culture generally became less literary. But if there were fine new novelists, poetry really went to shit.

    60 年代初到中期电影的腐烂被好莱坞拍摄的一系列动作片、战争片、50 年代的好莱坞音乐剧和闷热的英剧如“四季皆宜”所掩盖。

    This owed less to cultural decadence than the threats faced by the old studio system. Having lost their monopoly over movie theaters and faced with competition from TV, Hollywood had rough going for awhile, especially as it was still run by old-fashioned people of the Big Studio era. There was a fresh and interesting movement in America from late 60s to mid 70s, but it faded due to ‘auteur’ self-indulgence and rise of Lucas and Spielberg.

    到 60 年代末,Hair 取代了 Singing in the Rain,The wild bundle 取代了 Shane,而 Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolff 取代了 All about Eve。 白兰度从“在海滨”到“燃烧”和“金色眼睛的倒影”。

    I love SHANE but WILD BUNCH is one of the greatest films. Dangerous and disturbing, even somewhat sick, but a powerful work. SINGIN’ IN THE RAIN is great but it’s just about the only musical that I like. Old fashioned musicals were made in the 60s, but I can do without SOUND OF MUSIC and PAINT YOUR WAGON. I have a soft spot for SCROOGE with Albert Finney though.

    I don’t care for REFLECTIONS IN A GOLDEN EYE but I’ll take BURN over WATERFRONT.

    • 回复: @syonredux
  208. syonredux 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Hemingway introduced a direct journalistic style of writing,

    That’s putting it a tad too mildly. Hemingway’s impact on English prose in the ’20s and ’30s was enormous. You can even find traces of his influence in antithetical spirits like Evelyn Waugh.

    but his legendary status owes much to his persona. It’s difficult to take anything by him as Great Literature now.

    Have to disagree. Hemingway produced a good amount of rubbish, but the best of his work endures as G.L.: 太阳照常升起, 永别了,武器“, “The Snows of Kilimanjaro,” “Big Two-Hearted River,” “A Clean, Well-Lighted Place,” etc. Mind you, I’m saying this as someone who doesn’t particularly like EH’s style (I prefer Faulkner and Fitzgerald to Ernie).

    Steinbeck was a fine storyteller but entirely conventional.

    He was pure crap.Nothing of his work deserves survival.

    I love SHANE but WILD BUNCH is one of the greatest films. Dangerous and disturbing, even somewhat sick, but a powerful work.

    Completely agree on WB. A tremendously powerful but nihilistic work of art. Loyalty is about the only virtue that the film seems to endorse. It’s curious, though. Along with much else, WB is a kind of war film. Indeed, it might be the best American movie about WWI…..But Peckinpah’s actual war movie (铁十字架) ended up being quite mediocre….

    Mailer was often crude and vulgar but he was a great writer.

    Another writer who was massively influenced by Hemingway.I like 行刑者之歌 , but that’s just about the only work of Normie’s fiction that I enjoy.

  209. syonredux 说:
    @syonredux

    I like The Executioner’s Song , but that’s just about the only work of Normie’s fiction that I enjoy.

    And, yes, I know that 歌曲 is technically non-fiction.

  210. I was in the Danger Zone last weekend.
    It’s like the Twilight Zone, but scarier.
    Your money, your health, and your sanity are all at risk.
    I escaped the Danger Zone by the skin of my teeth.

    Now how do I get back into it?

  211. Kiel 说:
    @Alden

    “Another misogynistic woman hating sad old celibate bachelor heard from.”

    Awww, you cute little White Knight.

    Judging from the level of invective in your comment history, we can safely say that ‘sad old celibate bachelor’ is you.

    No problem from me with sex, or women – I love whores, both the professional & freelance types.

    Additionally, I never invoked Cleo’s name into the conversation, the person to whom I was replying did.

    So, you may want to work on your reading comprehension, as well as your ability to track a conversation thread.

    . . . thanks for playing.

    • 回复: @Alden
  212. chris 说:
    @Priss Factor

    What was a cool and hip movie in my youth became a very dated and completely unwatchable parade of cliches when a little maturity had set in.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  213. Miro23 说:
    @Priss Factor

    But you’re right. The seeds of destruction were already there sprouting before the 60s really happened.

    Agreed. It was the US in party mode. Maybe the hedonism of the 1920’s (interrupted by the Depression and WW2) but full on partying again after 1945.

    1968+ was really the time that the US needed to get serious about education and industry. It was challenged by a rebuilding Europe and Asia but did nothing. In fact, the US got into debt and sent its manufacturing (together with the jobs) overseas.

    • 同意: Liza
  214. @Priss Factor

    但是 60 年代对青年文化和毒品、种族骚乱、越南战争、移民法案等的过度放纵导致了我们今天所知的美国的刀耕火种。

    But you’re right. The seeds of destruction were already there sprouting before the 60s really happened.

    Drugs had a lot to do with it. The rise of the drug culture should not have been tolerated. And it was tolerated. I’m not sure what it was like in the USA but in Australia by the 70s the drug laws were simply not enforced at all.

    The drug culture was responsible for a lot of the craziness. Especially cannabis. I knew too many cannabis casualties. In some ways heroin wasn’t as bad. The junkie either OD’d or they eventually gave it up. The cannabis users never quite recovered, and usually had a lot more trouble giving it up.

    And as drug use increased the youth culture became more destructive, culminating in appalling exercises in nihilism like 逍遥骑士. It’s rather shocking to contemplate that only eight years separates 蒂凡尼的早餐逍遥骑士. The drug-fuelled societal collapse was breathtakingly fast.

    • 回复: @Alden
  215. @Alden

    I tried to read 2 Virginia Wolfe books. Couldn’t get past the first 20 pages.

    You haven’t missed anything. 奥兰多 is particularly bad. Degenerate trash.

    The interwar period saw literature diving headfirst into the gutter. So much decadent garbage being produced. Woolf, Isherwood, etc. This was the era in which literary critics decided that pornography, like Henry Miller’s writing, qualified as literature. And in France André Gide and then in the 40s Jean Genet and Simone de Beauvoir. Western civilisation was already heading for the trash heap.

    • 同意: Kiel
  216. @syonredux

    Steinbeck was a fine storyteller but entirely conventional.

    He was pure crap.Nothing of his work deserves survival.

    Agreed. Not just crap, but heavy-handed and clumsy. The pulp writers of that era were better than Steinbeck.

  217. @Old Palo Altan

    I had to settle for a summer house in Old Lyme and a small flat in Chamonix, where I’d go skiing and paragliding. Definitely a step down.

    • 回复: @Old Palo Altan
  218. @syonredux

    He was pure crap.Nothing of his work deserves survival.

    GRAPES OF WRATH is a great work. I love CANNERY ROW.

    • 回复: @syonredux
  219. @chris

    What was a cool and hip movie in my youth became a very dated

    GRADUATE is still ahead of its time in many respects. Also, its appeal is less about being cool and hip that about conveying the mood of late youth crisis and anxiety of romance.

    LOVE STORY channeled some of its atmospherics, and HAROLD AND MAUDE did it even better.

    • 回复: @chris
  220. syonredux 说:
    @Priss Factor

    He was pure crap.Nothing of his work deserves survival.

    GRAPES OF WRATH is a great work. I love CANNERY ROW.

    I despise both.Of course, as the grandson of an Okie, I particularly loathe the execrable 愤怒的葡萄.

    James Gould Cozzens was vastly superior to Steinbeck….yet his brilliant novels (仪仗队, 公正与不公正) have been deliberately neglected.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
    , @Alden
  221. chris 说:
    @Priss Factor

    I don’t fully agree, but I do appreciate your response

  222. Anon[178]• 免责声明 说:
    @Anon

    Another fellow who couldn’t settle down and raise kids and leave his community a little bettered.

    So gay and promiscuous lead to the same place?

  223. @The Alarmist

    Congratulations. These days that’s doing very well indeed – and don’t you now glory in a chateau somewhere in France?

    vie de chateau can be idyllic – a friend of mine who lives that way by choice, having purchased and superbly restored an eighteenth century manoir on the Loire south of Tours, is, if not precisely happy, certainly very content with his lot.

    On the other hand, there are places like Normandy where it seems never to stop raining where such a life might be more an ordeal than a pleasure. Acres of leaking roofs for one thing.

    • 回复: @The Alarmist
  224. Anon[178]• 免责声明 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Let me not to the marriage of true minds admit impediments!
    Love is not love which alters when it alteration finds,
    或用卸妆器弯曲以将其移除。
    Oh no, it is an ever fixed mark
    That looks upon tempests, and stans unmoved.
    It is the star to every wandering bark,
    Whose worth’s unknown, though its height be taken.
    Love is not Time’s fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
    在他弯曲的镰刀的罗盘里;
    爱不会随着他短暂的几小时和几周而改变,
    但它甚至到厄运的边缘。
    如果这是错误并且在我身上证明,
    我从不写信,也从来没有人喜欢过。

    两条评论:
    1) marry within your circle, not to preclude gold-digging, but because God is provident like that. Plus, makes it easier to find someone well-suited, and love is born from frequent interaction.
    2) the ability to love can be lost. More so when man’s essential vocation to love is disparaged.

  225. @syonredux

    GOW 同情 Okies。

    斯坦贝克的社会主义现在比我们今天拥有的涡轮全球资本主义更可取。

    从未听说过詹姆斯·科岑斯。

    https://infogalactic.com/info/James_Gould_Cozzens

    • 回复: @syonredux
    , @dfordoom
  226. Anon[178]• 免责声明 说:
    @Alden

    Laughing here! Now they only make the-princess-and-the-plumber movies for European girls. The others, well it’s the prince and the Markle storyline.

    About BAT, the laughs and the beauty was the only way to make two hours with promiscuous, unprincipled characters living a dingy life palatable. The now standard Hollywood recipe. Spoonful of honey in the cultural war.

    • 回复: @Alden
  227. @syonredux

    That’s putting it a tad too mildly. Hemingway’s impact on English prose in the ’20s and ’30s was enormous. You can even find traces of his influence in antithetical spirits like Evelyn Waugh.

    Here’s the thing. I think, even if Hemingway had never existed, American prose and lingo would have followed pretty much the same trajectory under pressure from popular culture, movies, and mass journalism. He did it as well or better than others, but I think he was part of a larger trend than its progenitor.

    but the best of his work endures as G.L.: The Sun Also Rises, A Farewell to Arms, “The Snows of Kilimanjaro,” “Big Two-Hearted River,” “A Clean, Well-Lighted Place,” etc.

    Many critics thinks his metier was the short story given he was the master of paring down the narrative to its essence. SUN ALSO RISES isn’t much in retrospect but I can understand its cultural significance at the time. The lost generation thing. As I recall, FAREWELL TO ARMS is mostly about some guy named Fred eating sausage, onion, and sauerkraut and falling in love with a woman named ‘kat’ who dies having a kid. Its main appeal seems to be melodrama without the melodramatics. A kind of stoic melodrama.

    • 回复: @syonredux
  228. syonredux 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Here’s the thing. I think, even if Hemingway had never existed, American prose and lingo would have followed pretty much the same trajectory under pressure from popular culture, movies, and mass journalism. He did it as well or better than others, but I think he was part of a larger trend than its progenitor.

    You can definitely see a tendency in that direction. For example, Hammett’s early stories (written before he was exposed to Hemingway’s work) have a similarly stripped-down style. But Hemingway simply did it better than anyone else. Hence, his example granted aesthetic weight to the trend.

    but the best of his work endures as G.L.: The Sun Also Rises, A Farewell to Arms, “The Snows of Kilimanjaro,” “Big Two-Hearted River,” “A Clean, Well-Lighted Place,” etc.

    Many critics thinks his metier was the short story given he was the master of paring down the narrative to its essence.

    That’s the common wisdom. And, in this case, the common wisdom is quite right.

    SUN ALSO RISES isn’t much in retrospect but I can understand its cultural significance at the time. The lost generation thing.

    它与以下不在同一水平上 盖茨比 ot the best of Faulkner’s work, but it stills holds up today.

    As I recall, FAREWELL TO ARMS is mostly about some guy named Fred eating sausage, onion, and sauerkraut and falling in love with a woman named ‘kat’ who dies having a kid. Its main appeal seems to be melodrama without the melodramatics. A kind of stoic melodrama.

    With Hemingway, it’s the telling, not the tale.Weirdly, he’s kind of like Henry James in that regard.

  229. syonredux 说:
    @Priss Factor

    GOW 同情 Okies。

    一种错误的同情。

    斯坦贝克的社会主义现在比我们今天拥有的涡轮全球资本主义更可取。

    Having one’s heart in the right place doesn’t make one a good writer.

    从未听说过詹姆斯·科岑斯。

    我会推荐 公正与不公正 (关于法律的优秀小说), 仪仗队 (也许是关于二战的最佳美国小说), 男人和弟兄们 (关于纽约一位牧师的奇怪而动人的小说),以及 抛弃 (非典型的 Cozzens 故事,它描绘了一个被困在灾后纽约百货公司的人)。 有些人会补充 拥有的爱 , but I don’t care for it. It’s too overwritten for my tastes.

    • 回复: @Presocratic
  230. Alden 说:
    @Kiel

    I’m a reasonably happy married woman 4 children, 8 grandchildren. Ha ha ha

    Reason there’s only about 10 percent woman UNZ readers is the women hating misogynistic sad old celibate bachelors and bitter divorced men who are still outraged that they had to support their children 20 years ago.

    Most women read UNZ a week or 2 and stop reading because of the women hating celibate sad old bachelors and bitter divorced men still furious they had to support their children 20 years ago.

    Even Ann Coulter and Kellyanne Conway would not stick with the UNZ men and their continual hateful attacks on women.

    I like UNZ enough to stick around and put up with all the misogynistic women hating sad old celibate bachelors and the rest of it.

    But I’ll continue to defend women who are unreasonably attacked such as attacking whatever idiot called Cleopatra a worthless slut.

    Direct descendant of Phillip of Macedonia and Alexander’s brother and sister, regarded as a God by her people, wiped out her brother and sisters and grabbed the throne of what was then a country wealthier than Italy.

    Cesear and Marc Antony were nothing compared to her. And they were adulterers. They were sexually immoral

    “Cleopatra was a slut.” Whoever wrote that is not just an ignorant fool but a hypocrite. She was a slut but the married men who lived with her weren’t?

    Then there’s the fertility fanatics. Fathers of
    0 to 2 children they endless pontificate that White women should have more children. Conceive and raise them all by themselves presumably.

    Fertility fanatics want more White children in the world? Do what my husband did. Conceive and raise 4. Or more than 4.

    Reading you men’s comments it’s difficult to believe most of you are married and have children.

    Regarding women sometimes this site reads like you’re all 1940s repressed gays trying to explain why you don’t date and never got married. “Women are just fat and ugly and horrible. That’s why I never married or even dated”

    Cleopatra had 3 or 4 children by just 2 men. King Augustus of Saxony had more that 300 children by dozens of women.

    But she’s the slut. King Augustus was a paragon of morality and sexual virtue because men can do no wrong. .

  231. Alden 说:
    @Anon

    BAT’s on TV every once in a while. The few NYC exteriors were just clean parts of NYC. Holly had no furniture. Peppard’s furniture was nice, nothing special. The apartment house was very ordinary.

    Holly’s clothes were just the plain black dresses the fashion industry has been pushing for the last 100 years. Her orange mohair coat was a nice relief from the black black black.

  232. Alden 说:
    @syonredux

    Ever read In Dubious Battle?

    Same setting as GOW. Principal character is a communist party remember trying to organize the Okie farm workers for a communist revolution. He’s been sent by the American communist party.

    He’s pursued by both the FBI and union busters working for the Farmers & Ranchers Association.

    East of Eden was excellent about Salinas Watsonville and the development of refrigerated freight cars to bring California lettuce to the northern states during the winter.

    But the whole Mother leaves Father for no discernible reason and becomes a prostitute brothel keeper in the nearest town is just appealing to prurient interest. Author could at least have described some reason for her to leave a nice home to run a brothel.

    Steinbeck has his day and will disappear soon. His oppressed farm workers are now evil privileged Whites. So are the homeless in Cannery Row.

  233. @Old Palo Altan

    I’m thinking of pitching a TV script: Green Acres set in Champagne Ardennes, where Eb is a dumb country French type and Arnold wears a beret (don’t see many of those, but you have to meet American expectations), but at least the local Hooterville has a decent Boulangerie Patisserie. My version of Lisa is still quite pretty, but can’t do hotcakes for the life of her. I could call it Grand Est, but the joke would be lost on people; Hectares Verts sounds a bit obtuse, so how about Grand Acres?

    Yes, the roof is paramount, but the rest can be somewhat dilapidated so you can decorate to taste. The are two major problems with buying ready-to-live-in: The price will be outrageous, and the French have horrible taste in bathroom and kitchen decor. Better to pick up a fixer upper for half-million or so and count on spending €1k per sqm to renovate to your taste than to spend a million or two or more and have to redo the bathrooms and kitchen anyway.

    • 回复: @Old Palo Altan
  234. @Priss Factor

    斯坦贝克的社会主义现在比我们今天拥有的涡轮全球资本主义更可取。

    Yes, I’d have to agree with that.

  235. Bookish1 说:

    Russell BAker wrote in the NYT some years ago “if someone could step from 1940 NY into NY today he would be shocked and horrified, it would be like a futuristic nightmare come true.”

    • 回复: @Jeff Stryker
  236. Jeff Stryker [又名“ GO”] 说:
    @Alden

    Many of the older bachelors were yesterday’s playboys. They couldn’t be faithful. They either did not marry because they played hopscotch from one singles bar and woman’s bed to the next or they were married and continued carrying on affairs until the woman divorced them.

    As for describing women as being beneath their own standards, how many of these men look like Brad Pitt or Richard Gere?

    If any race could succeed through victory from the cradle by screwing than Bangladesh or Africa would be Superpowers where the fertility rate is six children per woman or something.

    • 回复: @Alden
  237. Jeff Stryker [又名“ GO”] 说:
    @Bookish1

    I’m not sure that is true. New York City is vastly better than it was in the seventies and eighties. Watch old films like FORT APACHE, THE BRONX or DEATH WISH or that series about the retired British spy THE EQUALIZER.

    • 回复: @Bookish1
  238. New York City is vastly better than it was in the seventies and eighties

    But at the expense of rest of NY that was forced to take NY’s unruly Negroids.

  239. Jeff Stryker [又名“ GO”] 说:

    You answered a question I had always had. I wondered what happened in the whole Broken Windows era to run-of-the-mill offenders. What did they do with the sort of feral packs that Bernhard Goetz blew away in the subway? Goetz himself said that AIDS wiped many of them out. But they had to send the rest somewhere. They could not put them all in jail. Not for the rest of their lives. Where did they go? What did they do?

  240. Liza 说:
    @Alden

    I like UNZ enough to stick around and put up with all the misogynistic women hating sad old celibate bachelors and the rest of it.

    Yes indeed. I don’t know about you, but I am just waiting for the hate-a-thon to really begin.

    I am not sure about Augustus’ 300 offspring, though. However, where there’s smoke there’s fire and there is probably reason for the inflated figure. And he would not be the first to be spreading his seed like crazy, never mind all the cheating and lying necessary to pull it off.

    Some of the bitching by men is justified. There is very little gratitude shown by feminists in particular for the fact, the simple fact, that whatever good things we still have, much of it was brought about by the dreaded White Man and kept in place by their efforts. They really do a lot of the shitwork. It would be nice if a certain portion of them were not such despisers of women. It is a fallen world, Alden. I don’t think any of this can be set right by human efforts.

    • 回复: @Alden
  241. Alden 说:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Thanks. As far as complaining there are no pretty women around, just obese tattooed uglies, they remind me of all those 12 year old boys who used to think Playboy girls were representative of the average girl they’d date when they got older.
    Or the girls who’d fantasize they’d grow up to look like movie stars.

    I’m not very sensitive. But I definitely get the idea the misogyny and hatred of women comes from a lifetime of being rejected by women

    • 回复: @Jeff Stryker
  242. melpol 说:

    Common dream of Homosexuals is to have breakfast after sex bedecked with status and jewelry. The movie could have been played by Gay men hoping to find a wealthy sponsor. Gays frequent jewelry shops often dreaming of one day eating breakfast in one of those glitzy spots.

  243. Alden 说:
    @dfordoom

    I didn’t like Easy Rider at all. I was turned off by one of the first scenes. They stop for breakfast in a typically very busy breakfast service diner.

    And Nicholson harasses the very busy waitress because the place is out of rye bread. Why doesn’t he complain to the owner or manager about the lack of management skills that caused the place to run out of rye bread?

    Typical liberal idiot intellectual class warfare. The drug dealer gets to harass a hard working busy waitress about his choice of bread.

    At least Nicholson pulled his nose out of the cocaine dish enough to continue making movies.

    Peter Fonda dove into the cocaine dish and stayed there the rest of his life.

    • 回复: @Jeff Stryker
    , @dfordoom
  244. Jeff Stryker [又名“ GO”] 说:
    @Alden

    Absolutely. The more a person is rejected by the opposite sex, the more they will feel that way since one of the human drives is reproduction and specifically with the most fertile female or virile men.

    For women the mating game is more difficult. They not only seek the most handsome and virile male but also the best-off financially.

    All men seek is physical attractiveness in a reproductive partner. Money is less of an issue.

  245. @The Alarmist

    Do Americans have any affection at all for France? That is, the great unwashed, whose interests would have to be aroused for any such show to be a success. My own judgement woud be that there is nowhere of less interest to them, or less admirable.

    The English do love such shows, and will again, once the brexit thing is finally solved one way or another. So make your pitch to the BBC: Americans living and variously coping in a semi-delapidated chateau – their successes, their failures, their dealings with the suspicious locals.
    I’d watch it!

    My friend is Belgian, so his bathrooms and kitchens (there are two) are impeccable. He has recently bought an 房间 in the most expensive bit of Paris, and has spent a happy year restoring it too. He has invited me over to inspect it, I but hesitate every time I read about what the city is like these days

    • 回复: @The Alarmist
    , @Bill Jones
  246. Jeff Stryker [又名“ GO”] 说:
    @Alden

    The scene where Nicholson acts like an asshole was Five Easy Pieces. But no matter, the fact that he was behaving that way to a helpless woman made the viewer wish some man had kicked his ass.

    Of all the seventies angst antiheroes Nicholson was the most despicable. There was something genuinely mean-spirited and base about Nicholson.

    Elliot Gould came off as a goofy neurotic. Dennis Hopper was merely a jabbering space cadet with a manic giggle. Peter Fonda had some comic ability but in straight roles he was a louche mannequin. Hoffman was a great actor.

    In any event, if anyone wanted to see advertisements for how well the sixties sex and drugs worked out they need only look at the lives of the stars.

    • 同意: Liza
    • 回复: @dfordoom
    , @Priss Factor
  247. @Alden

    I didn’t like Easy Rider at all….

    Typical liberal idiot intellectual class warfare. The drug dealer gets to harass a hard working busy waitress about his choice of bread.

    The counter-culture was a very ugly thing really. Just as the Sexual Revolution that accompanied it was pretty ugly in reality – selling women on the idea of sexual freedom but it was just a way to persuade them to have sex with disgusting loser hippie men like the repulsive drug dealers in 逍遥骑士.

    And yes, there was definitely a class thing involved. A contempt for ordinary working class people.

  248. @Jeff Stryker

    Of all the seventies angst antiheroes Nicholson was the most despicable. There was something genuinely mean-spirited and base about Nicholson.

    Elliot Gould came off as a goofy neurotic. Dennis Hopper was merely a jabbering space cadet with a manic giggle. Peter Fonda had some comic ability but in straight roles he was a louche mannequin. Hoffman was a great actor.

    I agree with all of that, except for the part about Hoffman being a great actor. He’s a ham. The kind of showy pretentious gimmicky actor that critics adore. The same goes for de Niro, Al Pacino, Meryl Streep. Method Acting destroyed acting.

  249. @Old Palo Altan

    Try looking up 逃往城堡 and, better still, it’s sister-show 逃到城堡DIY on channel4.com, though I don’t know if you can stream it from there. Brits are all over the French chateau scene.

  250. @dfordoom

    Films from the late ’60s, like 逍遥骑士, and most of the ’70s are the 宠物peeve of American cinema.

  251. @dfordoom

    except for the part about Hoffman being a great actor. He’s a ham.

    Hoffman as perfect for certain kinds of roles. I can’t think of anyone who could have done a better job with Ratso Rizzo. Maybe Al Pacino but that’s about it.

    Hoffman was also excellent in STRAW FROGS and DEATH OF A SALESMAN, a role he was born to play.

  252. @dfordoom

    The counter-culture was a very ugly thing really.

    CC turned ugly and excessive and stupid… but it showed promise at the outset as a search for meaning and re-connection with meaning and nature in reaction to the complacent materialism that came to define postwar America. But the excess of drugs, youth culture, and sex drove it into the ground.

    EASY RIDER was a big hit, but it was never a real favorite among cinephiles, and it became dated pretty fast. Still, it has value in that it’s more than a mindless propaganda for CC. Fonda says ‘we blew it’, and Dennis Hopper’s character comes across as rather grubby. The people in the commune seem rather lazy and clueless. The worst thing about the movie is the cheapshot with the rednecks. It was as if the ONLY way to lionize the CC types somewhat was by using southern bigots as foil. All in all, a mixed bag.

    Funny thing is Hopper’s next movie, THE LAST MOVIE — it almost was his last movie literally — pissed off everyone, and he was attacked by feminists and EVERYONE. It ran only two weeks and disappeared.

  253. @Jeff Stryker

    The scene where Nicholson acts like an asshole was Five Easy Pieces. But no matter, the fact that he was behaving that way to a helpless woman made the viewer wish some man had kicked his ass.
    Of all the seventies angst antiheroes Nicholson was the most despicable. There was something genuinely mean-spirited and base about Nicholson.

    To be fair to Nicholson’s character, all he wanted was two slices of toast, and he was willing to pay for the entire sandwich for just the two slices of bread. I think the scene is about the narcissism of pride. Thus, both are acting stupid. Waitress could have just served the bread, or Nicholson could have just gone along with restaurant policy of ‘only stuff on menu’. But both are so consumed with pride that neither will budge. That said, I do agree that the waitress was made less sympathetic.

    Still, FIVE EASY PIECES has hardly any character who is sympathetic. There’s no one to root for. Nicholson is presented as something of a phony seeking authenticity. He’s from a distinguished musical family, but he left all that to look for the real America and rub shoulders with regular folks. But he is too educated and sophisticated for that. He’s rather like Albert Brooks in LOST IN AMERICA who discovers he’s a fish out of water outside big cities. Nicholson works hard to be one of the working class with bowling and beer, but he’s made of finer stuff. Thus, he becomes a double-a**hole. He’s an elitist-at-heart who looks down on working class, and he’s a working class poseur who resents the pretentious/pompous elites. Ultimately, he’s not a sympathetic character, and the film doesn’t make him out as hero or anti-hero. He’s just a man with serious problems. He betrays everyone, esp himself, and he runs off leaving Karen Black all alone — like what the old man in MURIEL(Resnais) does. He keeps running away but can’t run away from himself.

    Acting isn’t about always playing likable or noble characters. It’s about presenting characters, warts and all, with complex psychology, as with Hamlet or Othello or Richard III. And Nicholson was brilliant in several 70s movies like CUCKOO’S NEST, CHINATOWN, and LAST DETAIL.

    Also, such types were not new in Hollywood. Bogart played louts. Cagney was demented in many roles. But powerfully so. Great stars all of them.

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Jeff Stryker
  254. @Alden

    But I’ll continue to defend women who are unreasonably attacked such as attacking whatever idiot called Cleopatra a worthless slut.

    She was a worthwhile slut.

    • 哈哈: Kiel
    • 回复: @Alden
  255. Alden 说:
    @dfordoom

    I agree about Hoffman. I call it the jittery Jew school of acting. The jittering is to distract from his lack of ability. Or if he’s not an actor, whatever he’s trying to con you into.

    Romantically, it’s just repulsive.

    • 回复: @dfordoom
  256. Alden 说:
    @Priss Factor

    There was no rye bread in the restaurant. What was the waitress supposed to do? And why harass her about it? Owners chefs and managers do the purchasing, not the waiters.

    那好吧

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  257. Bookish1 说:
    @Jeff Stryker

    He wasn’t talking about the 70s 80s, he was talking about the 40s and before the ww2 disaster that destroyed this civilization.

  258. Damocles 说:

    This story reads like Ava Gardner’s Wiki.

  259. Kiel 说:
    @Alden

    Here’s the 411 everybody:

    A commenter named ‘Lin’ posted a question concerning the origins of the words harlot, courtesan, hooker, etc, whatever.

    I on the other hand 傻傻 mentioned that they forgot the word ‘slut’.

    Len then countered, with Cleo’s name no less, something or another, associating her with the word ‘slut’.

    I retorted with some B.S. about hypergamy being hardwired, a woman’s right to engage in child sacrifice of their unborn on 2st Ammendment grounds, etc, etc.

    然后 ALDEN inserted himself into the mix, all White Knighting like the hero, and calling me a whore-hater without having fully comprehended the thread.

    I think if anyone deserves an apology, it’s me.

    :O)

    • 回复: @Alden
  260. @Alden

    I agree about Hoffman. I call it the jittery Jew school of acting. The jittering is to distract from his lack of ability. Or if he’s not an actor, whatever he’s trying to con you into.

    The interesting movie to watch in this context is “雨人”. Hoffman’s performance is showy and in its own way spectacular but you’re always aware that you’re watching an actor. That’s bad acting.

    Tom Cruise on the other hand just quietly gets the job done and is utterly convincing. And he actually has the more difficult rôle because his character is very unsympathetic whereas everyone is going to sympathise with Hoffman’s character. No-one noticed Cruise’s performance. That’s good acting, because good acting is when you don’t notice the acting.

    • 回复: @Jeff Stryker
  261. Alden 说:
    @Kiel

    I’m a herself not a himself. And who are you to call Cleopatra a slut?

    What’s hypergamy? Female equivalent of promiscuous male lecher? Or is it just a word the misogynist women haters made up?

    • 哈哈: Kiel
    • 回复: @Kiel
  262. @Alden

    No, it was not about rye bread. He just wanted the two slices of bread. He didn’t want a sandwich but was willing to pay the price just for the two pieces of bread.

    FIVE EASY PIECES is pretty hard on everyone. No one comes across good. The quasi-hippie hitchhikers are pretty gross. Karen Black as a low-class woman and the intellectual psychologist are both mocked.

    Bob Rafelson was 37 when he made the movie and wasn’t exactly in tune with youth culture. If anything, FIVE EASY PIECES exposes the sorry myth of dropping out and being a free spirit.

    Later, Rafelson made one hell of a movie with MOUNTAINS OF THE MOON. Excellent stuff.

    • 回复: @Alden
  263. @Alden

    ‘Slut’ isn’t necessarily an insult. It can mean any woman who uses sex with men for power and advantage. And Cleo used her body and charms to gain the favors of men like Cesar and Antony.

    • 回复: @Alden
  264. Jeff Stryker [又名“ GO”] 说:
    @dfordoom

    Pacino was never really convincing as anything but a sweaty and ruthless petty criminal.

    • 哈哈: Bardon Kaldian
  265. Jeff Stryker [又名“ GO”] 说:
    @dfordoom

    Tom Cruise was not impersonating mental illness. He was playing a slick young man who sold cars who possessed a vague manic streak. No great stretch for Cruise.

  266. Jeff Stryker [又名“ GO”] 说:
    @Priss Factor

    I could never buy Nicholson as anything but a working-class Irish-American with a wild streak who might be a mean drunk.

    Fine for Randall P. McMurphy or a Navy lifer but as a scion of old wealth? Nah, couldn’t buy Nicholson as that.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  267. @Alden

    And as Queen and Chief God of Egypt, she was far, far wealthier and more royal than they were.
    They were the gold diggers. She was not.

    Cleopatra was a queen and she did her duty as a queen, and that duty sometimes involves contracting marriages or relationships that serve the vital interests of the kingdom.

    She was in a very dangerous world. Rome was immensely powerful, and aggressive and expansionist. Clearly Egypt was under threat. And Egypt, for all its wealth, could not hope to defeat Rome militarily. In order to have a chance of maintaining Egypt’s independence (even if that meant being to some extent a vassal state) it was wise for her to look for an alliance, sexual emotional and political, with a very powerful Roman. Julius Caesar was an obvious and sound choice. Later on Mark Antony seemed like a good bet.

    Of course it’s possible she was genuinely attracted to these two men, or even in love with them. But pursuing a personal alliance with them was part of her duties as Pharaoh and she took her duties seriously.

    Calling her a slut is absurd.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  268. Jeff Stryker [又名“ GO”] 说:
    @dfordoom

    True but I don’t see much better about the punk movement you mentioned. Sid Vicious and Nancy Spugnen were no better than Hopper or Fonda.

    You’ve advanced the opinion that the punk drug of choice-methamphetamine-was somehow better than cannabis and I disagree with this as well. The worst that can happen with cannabis is that you’ll end up like Tommy Chong-a stupefied burnout. The worst that can happen with crystal meth is that you end up a paranoid psychotic with clinical depression for the rest of your life because your dopamine receptors are wiped out. LSD is whole different animal and I did know some people in college that fried their brains on acid. However, I disagree with you that cocaine is any better than cannabis. Nobody gets a gun and goes out and robs somebody to buy more marijuana. Coke heads will.

    I cannot speak for the Dogs in Space-era of punk in Australia but the ones in US had a bad attitude, were often violent and virtually unemployable because, well, they were anarchists. Most middle-class punks were poseurs, but the lower-class ones were sometimes sociopaths.

    Of course the same could be said for the hippies. The lower-class hippies like Manson were genuinely destructive revolutionaries.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  269. Hibernian 说:
    @Liza

    Not the peak but an inflection point on the downward slide before really precipitous decline began.

    • 回复: @Liza
  270. Liza 说:
    @Hibernian

    Yes, that’s a good enough description.

  271. @dfordoom

    Cleopatra was a queen and she did her duty as a queen, and that duty sometimes involves contracting marriages or relationships that serve the vital interests of the kingdom.

    She was vain & egotistical and got Egypt involved in Rome’s civil war. She didn’t play it cool but hot. She got burned and so did Egypt along with her.

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Alden
    , @dfordoom
  272. @Jeff Stryker

    Sid Vicious and Nancy Spugnen were no better than Hopper or Fonda.

    They were far worse.

  273. “In today’s rabidly individualistic society,…”

    Was that a joke? In today’s politically correct, conformity-ruled, socialist leaning society, how could anyone begin a sentence with that massively obvious lie??

    • 回复: @dfordoom
  274. Alden 说:
    @Priss Factor

    The great moralist checks in.

    When was Rome not involved in some kind of power struggle? It wasn’t a civil war, just one more assassination, in a long line of assassinations and power struggles.

    Like Vertingtroix the Greeks and Kings of Europe, the Balkan’s and Morocco to Armenia, the British, Bouducia the Queen of Egypt did her best

    Just remembered Early Modern English; slut didn’t mean sex at all. It was related to slob and slum. Slum originally meant a dirty messy house, even if it was expensive.

    Slut meant a slob. “I fired the maid because she’s a slut.” Meant I fired her because she didn’t clean properly and the house got dirty. “ “ “ Neighbor is a slut” just meant neighbor is a bad housekeeper her house and kids are a mess.

    With all her money and slaves, Queen/Pharaoh Cleopatra didn’t have to worry about laundry and housekeeping

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  275. Alden 说:
    @Priss Factor

    As I remember it was rye bread. But I don’t like Nicholson at all either in person or in his movies.

    First time I met him was about 1975. He was with Angela Houston who’s taller than he even in flats. Plus he was completely bald on top, coarse features bad skin. Then he dumped Houston and tried to get me to go to their hotel room for a drink Gag. Barf. Finally found husband and the lecher went away. Meanwhile Houston’s looking all sad but resigned. He also wore a brown suit. Gross! !!

    Last time I saw him he looked like every other shabby old man.

    Re; Cuckoos Nest. It came between the 2 Hodge cases and the Donaldson case that closed all the mental hospitals and sent the mentally ill out to live on the streets. It was just like Snake Pit and all the other close the mental hospitals propaganda of the time. Wasn’t Nicholson’s fault. It was just a job. But it contributed to the close the mental hospitals propaganda. And the evil results

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  276. Alden 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Charms??? Obviously you haven’t seen the numerous profiles of Cleopatra on coins. She was the opposite of attractive, nose like a cucumber. She lived in Rome a few years. Read the Roman’s descriptions of her. Receding chin, prematurely gray hair, granted they didn’t like her.

    A gazillion slave girls had bodies and charm. Living with her was like marrying Isabella of Castile, Eleanor of Aquitaine , Empress Maria Theresa, ER 1 of England or widowed Catherine the Great.

  277. Alden 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Cesear and Antony had a huge choice of beautiful women, including slaves of all the countries the Roman’s conquered. She didn’t need them. They needed her army money and country, Antony especially needed her army for his plans to become Emperor.

    The Queen of Egypt’s attraction wasn’t herself. It was Egypt, still wealthier than all of Italy at the time. You think Canute married Queen Emma for her charm?? He married her because she was the widow of King Aelthered and daughter, sister and mother of Dukes of Normandy.

    And slut originally meant slob.

    言语失败

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  278. Kiel 说:
    @Alden

    Reading comprehension really isn’t your strong suit.

    How many kids did you manage to breed again?

    • 回复: @Alden
  279. @Alden

    Yeah, I saw the movie with Liz Taylor. She still struck me as a fancy slut.

    • 回复: @Alden
  280. @Alden

    As I remember it was rye bread. But I don’t like Nicholson at all either in person or in his movies.

    No, it was about toasts.

    I don’t particularly like Nicholson the person, and yes, his characters tend to be jerks, lunatics, eccentrics, or charlatans. But, art isn’t limited to presenting likable people doing likable things.
    What matters is that Nicholson’s performances ring true with in his best works. That’s all that matters. He played a megalomaniacal monster in SHINING and it was inspired.
    Do I personally like Nicholson or the kind of characters he plays? No. But he brought to life the malaise of alienation(in works like CARNAL KNOWLEDGE) or laughing irony of desperation. It’s like we may not like hyenas, but they exist in nature, and art cannot ignore truth.

    Cuckoos Nest. It came between the 2 Hodge cases and the Donaldson case that closed all the mental hospitals and sent the mentally ill out to live on the streets. It was just like Snake Pit and all the other close the mental hospitals propaganda of the time.

    I will have to disagree with this. No one watching the movie can possibly believe that the people in the ward aren’t without serious problems or issues. Also, even though Ratched comes across as cold and manipulative, McMurphy turns the place upside down and not in a good way.

    • 回复: @Mike P
    , @Alden
  281. @Alden

    Slut meant a slob.

    And ‘slave’ used to mean a Slav. Meanings change.

  282. @trevor lynch

    Have you considered doing a review of Chinatown?

    • 同意: Liza
  283. @John Howard

    “In today’s rabidly individualistic society,…”

    Was that a joke? In today’s politically correct, conformity-ruled, socialist leaning society, how could anyone begin a sentence with that massively obvious lie??

    Both are correct. We have a society that is both individualistic and conformist. That’s because all the social bonds (family, church, local community, etc) have been dissolved. So all that is left is the individual and the nation. And increasingly the social bonds of nationhood have dissolved as well, so all that is left is the individual and the globalist “community.”

    So what we have are alienated individuals motivated on the one hand by greed, selfishness, hedonism, the reckless pursuit of sexual and other pleasures and consumerism and on the other hand motivated by rigid conformity to values promoted by globalist elites.

    There’s nothing socialist about it. This has been deliberately engineered to serve corporate interests. Engineered by Woke Capital. It’s closer to a kind of internationalist fascism than to socialism.

  284. @Priss Factor

    She was vain & egotistical and got Egypt involved in Rome’s civil war. She didn’t play it cool but hot. She got burned and so did Egypt along with her.

    She was playing a dangerous game and she lost. She may well have made very foolish choices. Her judgment may have been poor. Diplomacy is a dangerous game, whichever weapons you use (threat of military power, money, sex, love, influence). Sometimes queen have to play that game. Sometimes they lose. It doesn’t make her a slut. At worst she was an unsuccessful diplomatist.

    • 回复: @Alden
  285. Mike P 说:
    @Priss Factor

    No one watching the movie can possibly believe that the people in the ward aren’t without serious problems or issues.

    That is true. However, the main message of the movie is that psychiatric hospitals and their staff are cruel and abusive, and that the inmates, wacky as they may be, need to be liberated.

    At med school, I was even treated to a viewing of the movie in a psychology course, and the instructor – a terminally vain psychologist with carefully groomed curls – clearly bought into this crap and tried to propagandise the class with the movie.

  286. Jeff Stryker [又名“ GO”] 说:
    @Mike P

    In the film, McMurphy was in jail for having sex with a 14 year old girl. He had gotten off lightly because the girl admitted lying and claiming to be 19. So he was sent to some minimum security work camp for a sentence of 18 months. Previously, he’d had a record for aggravated assault so he was unable to get probation. Nobody told him that he could be committed indefinitely, which he only finds out when he threatens the black orderly with “I’ll see you on the outside”.

    What is the moral of the film? Don’t fake your way out of a short jail sentence because you can be committed involuntarily to mental hospitals?

    In the seventies, there was much sympathy.

    Another prison film like this one was MIDNIGHT EXPRESS where after multiple smuggling trips Billy Hayes is caught with four pounds of hashish on him. He then goes through hell in a Turkish prison.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  287. Alden 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Indeed it was, rye bread toast. I remember it well. The drug dealer harassing a waitress because the restaurant was out of rye bread.

    Typical liberal intellectual sneering at a working person.

    • 回复: @Jeff Stryker
  288. Alden 说:
    @Mike P

    It was just propaganda in preparation for closing down the mental hospitals. Just as Mockingbird was propaganda that White rape victims of black rapists were lying racists who just wanted to get random, totally innocent black men imprisoned.

    • 回复: @Jeff Stryker
  289. Jeff Stryker [又名“ GO”] 说:
    @Alden

    He wasn’t playing a drug dealer. He was an ex-pianist who had become an oil rigger. You’re confusing Easy Rider and Five Easy Pieces.

  290. Jeff Stryker [又名“ GO”] 说:
    @Alden

    Kesey’s book was written long before Reagan did that. Decades before. Just saying.

    • 回复: @Alden
  291. Alden 说:
    @dfordoom

    50 BC I believe that was one of the centuries Rome conquered every country it invaded. Rome was in the middle of a massive expansion. It couldn’t be stopped any more than Ghengis Khan and the Mongols could be stoped

    Egypt and the Queen/Pharaoh who happened to be the sovereign is remembered because she was a woman.

    Some of the men like priss factor in this site are just misogynistic women haters. More than 2,000 years ago obsessing about Cleopatra’s sexual morals while ignoring the adultery of Cesear and Antony. Woman hater for one of the obvious reasons.

  292. Alden 说:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Regean did not close down the mental hospitals sometime between 1/ 1981 and 1/89.

    The Supreme Court closed them down in 75-76 The movie Cuckoos Nest was part of the propaganda effort to close down the mental hospitals. The public was safer when mental patients were locked up. Mental patients were housed fed and clothed.

    • 回复: @Liza
  293. Mike P 说:

    The public was safer when mental patients were locked up.

    Major violence by proper psychiatric patients (psychotics) is actually pretty rare, even among those who labour under delusions with violent content.

    Mental patients were housed fed and clothed.

    That’s the more important point – some patients are just too ill and too dysfunctional to be cared for as outpatients. Besides, I have seen my share of psychiatric hospitals from the inside, both due to my profession and because of a family member requiring treatment, and they simply had no resemblance at all to that preposterous parallel universe depicted in “cuckoo’s nest.”

    • 回复: @Alden
  294. @Mike P

    That is true. However, the main message of the movie is that psychiatric hospitals and their staff are cruel and abusive, and that the inmates, wacky as they may be, need to be liberated.

    The message of the movie seems that people need to liberate themselves. After all, except for McMurphy and Taber and few others, most people in the ward are voluntaries. They can walk out ANY TIME they wish. The thing is they CHOOSE to be there.

    So, if the film has a message, it seems to be that even people with normal or manageable issues choose to regard themselves as sick or helpless, when, in fact, it’s normal to have problems and issues. Life is tough; it’s a struggle. Granted, the institutionalized culture encourages such thinking, urging drugs and therapy on all of us by categorizing every behavioral problem as a psychological or medical problem(while saying stuff like homosexuality and tranny-ness are totally normal).
    Possibly, the loss of common culture and values led to the explosion of psychological issues. When all of society was into God and Church(or some such), even people with emotional or mental issues believed there was something bigger and deeper than ‘muh problem’. But without a common culture or object of worship, everyone fixates on ‘me, me, me’ and every molehill problem is turned into a mountain. We went from Sermon on the Mount to Therapy on the Molehill.

    Mental wards have been opened up, but it seems all of society has been turned into a mental ward. Consider the number of people on unnecessary prescription drugs or under some form of therapy.

    And the bigger problem isn’t crazies out in the streets but crazies in the institutions. Consider the mass delusion of ‘Russia Collusion’, ‘man is a woman’, ‘tranny kids’, ‘gay marriage’, ‘Magic Negro Worship’, and Jewish supremacists accusing OTHERS of supremacism.

    • 回复: @dfordoom
  295. @Jeff Stryker

    In the seventies, there was much sympathy. Another prison film like this one was MIDNIGHT EXPRESS where after multiple smuggling trips Billy Hayes is caught with four pounds of hashish on him. He then goes through hell in a Turkish prison.

    Prison movies will always have a certain appeal. Even when we know the protagonists are killers, louts, or vermin, we end up sympathizing with them because we like to root for the rebel against the system. In prison, whether the person is innocent or guilty, he is repressed and ordered around. So, naturally, we root for his freedom. Consider COOL HAND LUKE, ESCAPE FROM ALCATRAZ, RUNAWAY TRAIN, and LONGEST YARD.

    Even free people identify, on some level, with prisoners. After all, at work you gotta do as the boss orders. The government says you can’t do this, can’t say that, and have to pay, pay, pay.
    A funny twist on this prison tale was TRUMAN SHOW where the character has been made to feel he is free and happy in the best of all possible worlds. But in fact, his freedom is an illusion. He is really a prisoner in a biosphere of entertainment. In a way, all of us are in a TRUMAN SHOW. We are told we are free living in a liberal democracy with free speech and etc, but the Power(that is now Jewish) put out all kinds of obstacles to prevent us from going ‘there’.

    There are stories where a person is seeking to escape prison and stories where all of society is a prison. The entire world of THX 1138 is like a vast prison colony. MAN ESCAPED is like both. It is about a man escaping from prison, but there is an indication that freedom leads to yet another prison. After all, even out of prison, he’s still in German-occupied France. And even with the Germans gone, people are prisoners of mortality and sin.

    Other than jailbreak stories, there is the appeal of the trespass stories. One side of us wants to escape from repression, but another side of us wants to break into the zones of power and privilege. So, we root for bank robbers in heist movies. Or with Tom Cruise slipping into the mega-mansion in EYES WIDE SHUT. And we follow K in THE CASTLE as he seeks entry.

    • 回复: @Jeff Stryker
  296. Liza 说:
    @Alden

    The Supreme Court closed them down in 75-76 The movie Cuckoos Nest was part of the propaganda effort to close down the mental hospitals. The public was safer when mental patients were locked up. Mental patients were housed fed and clothed.

    Not just mental hospitals, but institutions for retarded and disabled people (intellectual disabilities).

    • 回复: @Alden
    , @Alden
    , @jack daniels
  297. Jeff Stryker [又名“ GO”] 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Tom Cruise’s character took huge risks to see a bunch of older business guys having sex with some call girls. I just didn’t think that the ending of EYES WIDE SHUT was that remarkable.

    My point was that we were supposed to sympathize with Billy Hayes after he got caught smuggling 4 pounds of hashish. We are supposed to sympathize with Nicholson, even though he is a small-time troublemaker who probably belongs in jail.

    In real life, I’ve read (And ALDAN the ex-parole office might agree) that one reason white crime plummeted was because of both long sentences and harsh prisons where African sex tourism was the norm. We don’t have much white crime anymore compared to the early nineties. Younger posters would believe that whites simply don’t commit holdups, carjackings, armed robberies, burglaries or rape or have gangs. They used to, but the Three Strikes Law really changed this. Gone are the “sophisticated” white crimes like armored car robbery or chop shops.

    Also, juveniles are now tried as adults. Reform schools like the ones in SCUM or BAD BOYS are now gone.

  298. Miro23 说:

    Breakfast at Tiffanys is nostalgia for a US that is long gone, but Andrew Niccol’s “In Time” is a much more relevant and interesting preview of where we’re going.

  299. @Priss Factor

    The message of the movie seems that people need to liberate themselves.

    Maybe neither the book nor the movie was really about mental hospitals. Maybe they just used that as a metaphor. Society is like a prison, man. And we choose to stay in that prison. We should leave the prisons ands like find ourselves and be free. Just hang loose and smoke lots of dope and have sex with everything with a pulse and then everything will be cool and no-one will be uptight. And it’s not like you’ll have to worry about getting a job because when everyone is free no-one will have to work (work being another prison).

    Or the message may have been that it’s society that makes these people crazy in the first place. All those social rules. We should abolish those rules.

    It’s also worth pointing out that the book came out in 1962 and the film in 1975. This was the era in which intellectuals were madly in love with rebels, outsiders, criminals and lunatics.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  300. Alden 说:
    @Liza

    O’Connor VS. Donaldson 1975 422 US 563.

    It’s an excellent example of how liberals lie and twist the facts. Most people believe the liberal lies that Regean did it during his administration which began 6 years later.

    How I enjoy lambasting liberals with undisputed facts.

  301. Alden 说:
    @Liza

    There was that too.

    There was a wonderful, physically beautiful California School For The Blind the satanic supreme closed down with O’Connor VS Donaldson 1975 422 US 563. The students received such wonderful training they were able to get jobs and function as well as the sighted. All the states had such schools.

    Now the burden rests completely on parents of disabled children to wander through the maze of useless programs.

    Always, always remember it was the ACLU and it’s offshoots that funded and litigated the Hodge and Donaldson cases.

    • 同意: Liza
  302. Alden 说:
    @Mike P

    I well remember when Napa State Hospital closed down. They were put on buses to the nearest city without even a change of clothes or the address of the welfare office.

    Those who were between 18 and 65 were considered able bodied adults and not eligible for welfare unless they had minor children which the newly released inmates obviously didn’t have and the men could never have.

    Approval for disability often takes an attorney and at least a year between the initial application and the first check. And in most cities the disability check is less than the cheapest rent in the city. But all the welfare and disability offices are in the cities.

    Whether Rockefellers Illiuminatti, jews jesuits federal reserve deep state or Satan himself who’s behind all this, it’s the Judiciary that carries out the orders.

    • 回复: @Mike P
  303. Mike P 说:
    @Alden

    Jesus Christ. That sounds truly horrific. You have any insight into what happened to them? Was there some sort of volunteer effort to help these people?

    Thanks, M.

    • 回复: @Alden
  304. @dfordoom

    Just hang loose and smoke lots of dope and have sex with everything with a pulse and then everything will be cool and no-one will be uptight.

    Ken Kesey was a strange case. Also, in the book and movie, McMurphy fails to get away because of too much drinking and partying. He could have gone out the window but he was more interested in getting Billy Bibbit in the sack with the whore. Also, the Indian warns him about what happened to his father, an alcoholic whose life was sucked out by the bottle. McMurphy brings life and joy to the ward, but he also spreads chaos that ends up doing more harm to everyone.

    Kesey was part of the Merry Pranksters who spread LSD culture but he was also the product of Northwest culture of the rugged pioneer and tough guy. His masterpiece SOMETIMES A GREAT NOTION is about men who work very hard at dangerous jobs.

  305. 6dust6 说:
    @Liza

    不管你是否讨厌这部电影,奥黛丽·赫本在这个角色中的优雅和古怪
    创造了一个标志性的人物。这本书和电影都是人物研究。卡波特在那个时代和背景下是一位有抱负的小说家,他住在一栋被奇怪的房客占据的公寓楼里,并在那段时期创作了他生活的一部分。 “表面之下没有任何需要正义的沸腾;没有丑陋感染文化吗?”那么……你需要电影中更多的多样性和关于社会正义的陈述来丰富这个简单的故事,让它为你成功?天哪。它轻松幽默,以自己的方式反映了生活和人类状况的一部分。这里没有政治。甚至没有提及对未出柜的同性恋者的酷刑。 (顺便说一下,卡波特、戈尔·维达尔和田纳西·威廉姆斯似乎对自己的性倾向相当满意)。并暗示同性恋者是非常肤浅的,正如故事讲述的本质所证明的那样,奇,奇。小心点,你的正义感呢?

    • 回复: @Old Palo Altan
  306. Liza 说:

    “Nothing seething beneath the surface calling for justice; no ugliness infecting the culture?”

    So what… you needed more diversity in the film and statements about social justice to enrich this simple story to have have it succeed for you? Good God.

    I wasn’t thinking about heaumeaux at all, or any other phony “oppressed” minority group. There were and are a dozen things seriously wrong with Amerika, for God’s sake, going back over 150 years, and certainly present when the novel was written and the movie was made.

    Honestly! How could you think I’m blowing a gasket over a bunch of ponces. 🙂

  307. @6dust6

    我可以补充一下肤浅的内容吗?

    我最喜欢奥黛丽·赫本(暂且不谈她的优雅)的是她的背景:她的父亲是一位顽固不化的法西斯分子,母亲是范·海姆斯特拉男爵夫人,她的祖籍是惠斯·多恩,凯撒·比尔在那里度过了多年的流放生涯第一次世界大战后。

  308. Alden 说:
    @Mike P

    Not that I know of. There were some overnight shelters, line up at 3/pm closed by 5/pm out by 7/am. Some food banks. There didn’t seem to be anything specifically to help the mentally ill newly homeless.

    It happened in every big city in the country mid 1970s when Supreme Court, not President Regean ordered mental hospitals closed O’Connor VS Donaldson US a federal case.

    • 同意: Mike P
  309. Alden 说:
    @Kiel

    More than your repressed gay self.

    • 回复: @Kiel
  310. Angharad 说:
    @dfordoom

    I have been very busy, so I haven’t checked back on this thread. I didn’t realize any-one replied, so thank you.

    I’ve never seen “Party Girl”. I’ll have to check it out! sounds terrific! I agree with your assesment on Robert Taylor. He was a very fine actor. His looks oftern overshadowed his genuine talent.

    I must tell you the first time I saw “Johnny Guitar”. Friends threw an at-home film fest, in Philadelphia, many years ago, during a blizzard. (The film party was planned long before the blizzard.) We attendees all lived in the same general radius, so slogging to the party during the blizzard, and slogging back home wasn’t really a problem. We had loads of food and booze. The blizzard raging outside merely added to the general festivities.

    The host was a dedicated film buff , but had never seen “Johnny Guitar” before, but he had “…heard wonderful things”. He told us we were all in for something really special. We were all crammed round the TV, in a very small living room – do you know what a Trinity is, re: housing in Philadelphia? Anway – we were all calmly watching the opening scenes of the film, sipping our drinks and munching our snacks, when Mercedes McCambridge arrives at Joan Crawford’s saloon, to confront Crawford over the death of her brother. When Crawford appeared on the balcony of the saloon, in her solid black cowboy shirt, glowing neon blue string tie, a gallon of blood red lipstick, and an expression of ferocity that approximates a female Tyrannosaurus Rex – the entire gathering sat bolt upright, yelled “AAagghh” and…jumped back against the walls as far as we could go.

    And it only got better from there….the hot pink negligee when dyes for hot pink didn’t exist….the penultimate scene wherein the townspeople are coming for Vienna, and she’s playing her piano, garbed in a full-length stark white lace 1950’s shirtdress gown, against a grotesque rust/blood colored “stone” wall, that looked like it was culled from a discarded set of Don Juan’s descent into Hell. And then, there was the final fight to the death shootout between Joan and Mercedes. We were all so entranced by the general craziness of the entire thing that I don’t think any of us could have delineated the actual plot, as we were watching. The entire battle between the 2 female characters was ostensibly a fight over a man – but tragically, the male characters were…incidental. Not compelling at all. We all agreed that this was really some type of prehistoric, primeval quest for turf. Deeply, deeply irrational and FEMALE. The film, at the time, was a flop, because the general audience response was “What is this? I thought this was gonna be a Western! what IS this???” It was never a Western. I still think my little crowd grasped the essential meaning; “Johnny Guitar”is perhaps the BEST depiction of the raw female “id” EVER.

    • 回复: @dfordoom
  311. @Angharad

    I agree with your assesment on Robert Taylor. He was a very fine actor. His looks oftern overshadowed his genuine talent.

    He gave superb performances on both 贿赂流氓警察. He had a natural affinity for playing morally compromised characters.

  312. arihalli 说:

    I thought the music just beautiful, haunting too.

    The acting, especially Peppard, was dreadful.

    I watched this 45yrs ago, and i thought it was ‘dated’. lol

  313. @Priss Factor

    “Offensive” means “tending to give offend.” In 1961 America where political correctness was limited to Brooklyn basements and there were few Japanese it would not offend many. I was not offended when I saw the film in 1961.
    Remember, we fought a grisly war against these people. Was Hogan’s Heroes offensive?

  314. @Liza

    The larger mental hospitals acquired a reputation rather like that of nursing homes, only more violent. The patients, many of whom were merely elderly or alcoholic, were primarily tended by otherwise unemployable punks from the surrounding neighborhoods who routinely abused them. Moreover, there was a wholesome movement to regard mental illness as not justifying the deprivation of one’s freedom. Those nasty liberals, who are always out to revoke your liberties and have Big Brother tell you what to do, decided you should be allowed to live on your own if you wished to, even if your skills were sub-par. Do not suppose that everything bad was created by getting rid of something good.

    The most cost-effective solution of course would be mass euthanasia. And once we get started why not take out the lower 60% of the income graph, who increasingly cost more than they contribute and are annoyingly stupid to boot?

    I know this because I grew up on the campus of one of those large, abusive hospitals, which provided housing to some senior staff.

  315. Kiel 说:
    @Alden

    You seem to have quite the fixation on the gays there good buddy.

    Something you want to get off your chest?

    • 回复: @Alden
  316. Dumbo 说:
    @Priss Factor

    I prefer “Roman Holiday” over Tiffany’s. Hepburn looks more authentic there, and the film is better, too, at least to my tastes. It’s a real gem.

    Tiffany’s is a bit silly and Mickey Rooney as the Japanese dude is really over-the-top and takes me out of the movie. Maybe if they had used Peter Sellers? He could transform more convincingly into anything, and he worked well with Edwards…

    But I think the best contribution of Blake Edwards is to have popularized the music of Henry Mancini, this one yes a true genius.

  317. Alden 说:
    @Kiel

    I’m a heterosexual woman you misogynist women hating sexually deprived sad old bachelor.

  318. Hibernian 说:

    If your posts were fed into a computer the computer would say you were a slightly nerdish Northern European Protestant straight man. And not at all just because your handle is (John) Alden rather than, say (Priscilla) Mullins. Your accusations of misogyny directed at certain men (generally absolutely justifiable) sound a lot how straight guys sometimes talk about suspected gay guys. (Not the really gross instances or anywhere near it.) That’s just one indication. It’s just a matter of subtleties of word choices and probably an accident of the cultural influences you grew up with.

  319. Waco 说:

    One thing I dont get is the title. Did jewelry stores serve breakfast back then?

  320. Bill Jones 说:
    @Old Palo Altan

    The wife just got back from a week in Paris.

    I didn’t go because I didn’t want my Paris of the late 70’s 80’s 90’s diluted,
    She enjoyed it greatly, was perfectly safe and the only danger was the taxi driver who wanted 230 Euro’s for a 40 E ride from the airport,

    avoid the banlieue of course.

  321. Doug P. 说:
    @anon

    我同意你的观点,塞尔达……而且,是的,操那些管理好莱坞的怪人。

  322. Doug P. 说:

    当我上高中时,我开始看 BAT 的电视节目……10 分钟。我心里想……“伙计,这真是一些老套的废话”,然后打开频道。但读完这篇评论后,我想我会从图书馆拿这本书,然后再次尝试看这部电影。

  323. @syonredux

    已故的约翰·W·奥尔德里奇 (John W. Aldridge) 是一位才华横溢的文学评论家,他在 1983 年的《纽约时报书评》(New York Times Book Review) 对科曾斯 (Cozzens) 传记的一篇评论中敏锐地描写了科曾斯 (Cozzens)。 他指出,科曾斯 仪仗队 1948 年获得普利策奖,并且“受到广泛认可——甚至与 [Mailer's] 竞争 裸体与死者 ——作为二战后最重要的小说。 “ 和 ”拥有的爱, 1957年出版,在《纽约时报》畅销书排行榜上停留了1961周,在全国几乎所有大小评论刊物上都获得了显着的关注,成为平装畅销书的第一名,并于XNUMX年成为拍成一部受欢迎的电影。” 那些称赞他作品的评论家认为科曾斯属于“一种正在迅速灭绝的作家,既是风俗小说家,又是道德家,因此可以指望将我们的小说从那种支配作品的不愉快的肮脏关注中拯救出来Cozzens 的许多同时代人。” 奥尔德里奇写道,科岑斯笔下的人物“不是移居国外的人或颓废的唯美主义者,而是努力以负责任的方式应对生活的体面人,即使他们认识到在自律和忠于职责的价值观迅速成为现实的时代,他们正在打一场必败仗。陈旧。”

    Cozzens 绝对致力于他作为一名作家的手艺,除了写作之外几乎没有做其他事情。 他是“那种作家——在这个国家相当罕见——对他来说,生活是值得过的,几乎完全是因为它给了他写作的机会。” 他的传记作者马修·布罗科利 (Matthew Broccoli) 在谈到科曾斯时说,他“不与其他作家交往”,几乎不接受采访,“不签署宣言,不参加鸡尾酒会,不发表演讲,不加入学院,不支持任何事业,离婚没有妻子……,没有批评者,没有总统的建议。 他待在家里写作。”

    Cozzens 今天在很大程度上是一位被遗忘的作家,仍在等待被重新发现,Aldridge 表示,“他陷入遗忘,实际上是在他去世前近 1978 年 [XNUMX 年] 开始的,是蓄意破坏的结果。 不久之后 拥有的爱 [于 1957 年]出版时,一些最有影响力的自由主义批评家——其中包括德怀特·麦克唐纳 (Dwight McDonald) 和欧文·豪 (Irving Howe)——对科曾斯发起了残酷的攻击……主要是因为其中存在某些他们认为令人反感的反动社会和政治态度。 尤其是麦克唐纳的文章,成为文学破坏史上的著名文件,它在很大程度上使科曾斯成为一名臭名昭著的作家,他不应再受到自由派知识分子的重视。”

    奥尔德里奇写道,科曾斯“拥有 XNUMX 世纪托利党贵族的社会和道德信念。” 科曾斯认为自己不关心政治,但他“认为自由主义是感伤的,社会改革的理想是幼稚的乌托邦。 他认识到精英阶层的智慧和特权,非常尊重社会等级制度和传统,当然对现代平等主义一点也不尊重。” 在他曾经接受过的为数不多的采访之一中(对 时间 1957 年),Cozzens 直截了当地拒绝了自由派对种族和其他主题的虔诚,Aldridcge 表示,他在那次采访中的言论,比他的小说中表达的任何内容,都更激起了麦克唐纳和其他自由派批评家的无情敌意。

    事实上,Aldridge 指出,“考虑到 Cozzens 的固执己见,他的小说中似乎没有明显的强调教义,没有任何明显的努力来引导读者对他的材料采取特定的态度或情感反应。 他的立场总是超然客观和理智,甚至有时冷漠而没有同情心,这可能是由于他对情感的挑剔厌恶和对激情占有可能造成的情绪混乱的恐惧。 但是,责任伦理与强烈情感强加的义务之间的冲突是他的主题兴趣的核心。 在一部接一部的小说中,胜利属于那些在理智的指引下,认为生活是艰难的,并且可能无法提供解决这种冲突的令人满意的方法的人,但他们必须,无论如何,生存下去他们可以鼓起尽可能多的勇气和尊严。”

    奥尔德里奇在评论的最后说,如果科曾斯要复兴,那将不会“源于对科曾斯保守思想的新热情……,而是源于一个迟来的发现,即他阐述了一些关于人类状况的重要真理,这些真理最终超越了意识形态。”

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