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1991 年苏联解体标​​志着近代史上最长的共产主义实验的结束。 许多人认为这一事件证明共产主义(或马克思列宁主义,我在这里交替使用它们)不是一种可行的意识形态。 毕竟,如果共产主义在 1991 年在俄罗斯正式结束,中国人也悄悄地远离它,取而代之的是一种独特的中国资本主义品牌。 最后,没有一个前苏联“盟友”在恢复自由后选择坚持共产主义意识形态。 甚至查韦斯的共产主义品牌也导致委内瑞拉彻底破产。 那有什么好争论的呢?

实际上,很多事情都是从上段中的每个单词开始的。

共产主义–过去:

一方面,苏联从未解体。 它是由苏共党的领导人从上面拆除的,他们决定将苏维埃 命名法 会将苏联的“馅饼”分成 15 个更小的切片。 之后的事情,无非是这些派系内讧的结果。 由于从来没有人授权这些党的官僚团伙解散苏联,或者实际上以任何方式进行改革,他们的行为只能被定性为完全非法的政变。 所有这些人,从戈尔巴乔夫和埃尔钦开始,都是他们党、人民和国家的叛徒。 至于人民,他们只有一次发表意见的权利,那是 17 年 1991 月 XNUMX 日。 77.85% 投票决定保留“苏联作为平等主权共和国的新联邦,任何国籍的个人的权利和自由都将得到充分保障“(见 此处 对这个现在早已被遗忘的投票进行了很好的讨论)。 没有崩溃。 发生了政变,或者更准确地说,是一系列政变,都是由党机构的叛徒完全非法和违背人民意愿执行的。 有些人会反对共产党充满叛徒的事实。 但是,除非有人能够解释和证明共产主义系统地以某种方式独特地滋生叛徒,否则这种指控没有任何价值(因为基督徒没有背叛基督教,民主民主或法西斯主义法西斯主义)。

第二,共产主义是一种可行的意识形态吗? 嗯,一方面,在马克思主义意识形态内部,关于这个话题有两种思想流派。 一个说共产主义可以在一国实现,另一个说不可以,要使共产主义成为可能,世界革命是必要的。 我们先把第一个学派暂时搁置一旁,看看第二个学派。 无论如何,这将是棘手的,因为我们要判断其经验正确性的只是一个相对较短的国家列表。 我已经听到反对意见“什么? 苏维埃俄罗斯、毛主义中国、波尔布特的柬埔寨和金日成的朝鲜还不够吗??”。 实际上,没有。 一方面,根据苏联官方意识形态,苏联从未实现过共产主义,只有社会主义。 这就是为什么这个国家被称为苏维埃联盟 社会主义的 共和国。 共产主义被视为目标,社会主义被视为不可避免的中间过渡阶段。 说共产主义在苏联失败了,就像说一栋半建的建筑不能提供舒适的住所一样合乎逻辑。 当然,中国并没有“失败”,波尔布特的柬埔寨可能是几乎在一夜之间建立一个真正共产主义社会的(可怕的)尝试,但这本身与马克思主义的历史/辩证唯物主义理论相矛盾,该理论指出需要过渡社会主义阶段。 至于朝鲜,它的意识形态不是马克思主义或共产主义,而是 主体思想,顶多是远房亲戚。 所以不,这几个例子几乎不能代表任何东西,如果仅仅是因为样本太小而没有相关性,并且因为它们都没有资格作为“测试用例”。

现在回到“共产主义不能在一个国家实现”的论点,让我们从纯粹的红白蓝美国意识形态立场来看待它,并记住美国式资本主义的支持者喜欢提醒我们,里根的军备竞赛是苏联破产的原因,它跟不上它。 其他骄傲的美国爱国者也喜欢说,好吧,美国压低了石油价格,让苏联人无法继续消费,而这次价格下跌正是导致苏联经济崩溃的原因。 就我个人而言,我觉得这些论点既愚蠢又无知,但让我们接受它们不言而喻的事实。 这不就说明苏联的垮台是由于外部因素而不是由于某些固有的内部缺陷吗?

现代培训(我不称其为“教育”)并不真正强调逻辑,所以我会反问以下问题: 如果我们接受资本主义击败共产主义证明共产主义不可行或资本主义优越? 对于许多会回答“是”的人(唉),我建议如果你把一只鬣狗和一个人关在笼子里,强迫它们争夺资源,那么人类最不可能获胜。 这是否证明人类无法生存或鬣狗“优越”?

马克思列宁主义明确指出,资本主义建立在压迫弱者的基础上,帝国主义是资本主义的最高阶段。 我们不必同意这个论点(尽管我个人非常同意),但也不能仅仅因为我们不喜欢它而被驳回。 事实上,我认为反驳它应该是任何严肃反驳共产主义的关键因素。 但简而言之,我要说的是:任何真正去过亚洲、非洲或南美洲的人都会证明共产党(苏联、中国、古巴)实际上提供了大量援助,包括原材料、技术、专家、医生、军事顾问、农学家、水卫生工程师等。 相反,问这些大陆上的任何人资本主义带来了什么,你会得到相同的答案:暴力、剥削和对当地的支持 买家 统治帮派。 对于任何对此有争议的人,我只能推荐一件事:开始环游世界。

[侧边栏:所以是的,在我上面的寓言中使用鬣狗作为资本主义的象征是公平的。 至于“笼子”——它就是我们的星球。 我认为错误的是将共产主义等同于人类。 但在我们谈话的这一点上 我自己的 个人意见,根本不是争论。 我一生都是反共主义者,我仍然是一个反共主义者,但这并不是我接受逻辑上有缺陷和反事实的反共论点的理由]。

在谈话的这一点上,我典型的资本主义对话者会用完整或简短的口号轰炸我,例如“伙计,在每一个共产主义社会中,人们都用脚投票,你忘记了船民、Marielitos 或跳过柏林墙的人吗?“或”苏联坦克一离开,东欧的每个国家都拒绝共产主义——这不是告诉你关于共产主义的一些事情吗??”。 通常,提供这些口号的人会看到一种特殊的喜悦,一种不可避免的胜利感,因此在揭穿所有这些废话之前观察这些是特别有益的。

让我们从脚投票论点开始。 这完全是胡说八道。 是的,确实,有些人确实逃离了共产主义社会。 绝大多数人没有。 请不要告诉我“他们的家人被扣为人质”或“秘密警察无处不在以防止这种情况发生”。 真相要简单得多:

在“推动方面”:所有著名的共产主义社会移民潮都与这些国家内部的深刻危机有关,这些危机的原因有很多,主要是外部原因。

在“拉力方面”:在每种情况下,都使用了强大的西方宣传系统来说服这些人移民,并承诺如果他们跑了,就会给他们“牛奶和蜂蜜”。

如果我不得不打破某些人的天真的幻想,我很抱歉,但作为一个工作了多年的口译员,我可以证明绝大多数政治难民都不是这样的:他们大多是是经济难民,少数是社会难民,这意味着一些个人情况使他们决定移民比留下更好。 我采访了数百名来自苏联的难民,他们所有关于政治镇压的故事都是可笑的,尤其是对于像我这样知道(非常真实的)苏联政治镇压是如何运作的人来说。 对于那些声称共产主义不可避免地导致经济危机的人,我只想参考上面的讨论,如果有的话,我们可以从历史上少数几个马克思主义社会的例子中得出什么结论。

[侧边栏:与 99.99% 的人读这些话不同,我实际上作为一名著名的反苏活动家度过了我的多年生活。 我前往苏联船只停泊的各个港口分发反苏文学,我列出了苏联外交官曾经居住的建筑物,将反苏文件发送到他们的邮箱中,我帮助寄钱给被监禁的东正教基督徒的家人在苏联的监狱和劳改营中,我安排了与出国旅行的苏联公民(卡车司机、艺术家、海军工程师、神职人员、马戏团——你说得出来)的非法接触。 有些事情我仍然不能公开讨论。 虽然我从未参与过任何暴力行动,但我确实在意识形态战争领域竭尽全力打倒俄罗斯的共产主义。

结果,(现已解散的)克格勃将我列为危险的挑衅者,并将我的照片张贴在国外特定苏联办事处的办公室(例如 索维希斯潘 在西班牙)警告他们我。 让我告诉你真相——大多数不喜欢苏联制度的苏联公民甚至从未尝试过移民。 这里的问题不是人质家庭或“全能的克格勃”,而是即使你讨厌当权的政权,你仍然爱你的国家。 更糟糕的是,大部分叛逃的人(我个人也帮助过不少人),到了西方,大多悲惨,不到一年的幻想破灭,只剩下无时无刻的乡愁。 . 出于这个原因,我个人总是建议他们 不能 移民。 如果他们坚持,有些人坚持,我会帮忙。 但我总是建议不要这样做。 多年后的现在,我仍然认为我做了正确的事情]。

最后,对于东欧的苏联“盟友”而言,他们拒绝共产主义与他们接受资本主义、北约、欧盟和其他国家一样合乎逻辑和可预见。 几十年来,他们被告知西方生活在和平与繁荣中,而他们却生活在压迫和苦难中,而邪恶的俄罗斯人是他们所有不幸的根源。 事实上,一旦有机会,他们就会急于拥抱美利坚帝国,这一事实既可预测又天真。 请记住,历史是由胜利者书写的,只有时间才能真正告诉我们共产主义和资本主义将在东欧留下什么遗产。

我们所知道的是,尽管苏联对阿富汗的占领导致了一场可怕而恶毒的战争,尽管阿富汗人民似乎也完全接受了美国及其盟国的“善意庇护”,但事情现在已经开始了。越来越多的历史学家和阿富汗评论家正在重新审视多年的世俗统治甚至苏联占领,他们现在以比过去更加微妙的方式看待它。 只是简单对比一下苏联入侵前后阿富汗人的日常生活,或者对比一下苏联人和美国人在该国实际建造的东西,就会讲述一个截然不同的故事(即使今天的美国人仍在使用苏联建造的设施,包括现在臭名昭著的巴格拉姆空军基地)。

注意这里的逻辑挑战:我不是在这里为苏联的入侵道歉,我只是说“拥抱另一边”的智慧不能在效忠“转变”后立即判断——有时需要几十年或更长时间才能对真正发生的事情进行平衡评估。

我对上述所有内容的观点很简单:官方的帝国宣传机器(又名“媒体”和“教育系统”)试图呈现关于共产主义的简单叙述,而实际上,即使是比表面上的口号立即表明,事情远比我们所看到的粗俗和可理解的错误叙述复杂得多。

共产主义——未来:

在这里,我会立即把牌摆在桌面上,并声明我相信,甚至希望共产主义并未消亡,事实上,我认为它还有一个漫长而最有趣的未来。 这里有几个原因。

首先,共产主义意识形态本身从未被彻底击败,只是因为没有其他意识形态在范围和深度上具有可比性来挑战、更不用说反驳或取代共产主义。 一方面,共产主义是一座*巨大的*智力建筑,仅仅摧毁它的一些“顶层”几乎不会使整个大厦倒塌。 举个简单的例子:马克思主义的口号“各尽所能,各取所需”。 马克思并没有真正发明它,他只是普及了它。 一些来源 说原作者是 1844 年的 August Becker,1851 年的 Louis Blanc 或 1775 年的 Étienne-Gabriel Morelly。 也有人说是皮埃尔-约瑟夫·蒲鲁东 但略有不同的版本“各尽所能,各司其职”。 这是 苏联接受的适用于社会主义过渡阶段的版本 在完全实现共产主义的道路上。

然后,当然,还有圣保罗著名的新约引用“如果有任何不起作用,他也不应该吃”(帖 3:10)和基督自己关于“各尽所能”(马太福音 25:15)。 这一切都很快变得非常复杂,但这并不是忽视马克思列宁主义基本原则之一的借口。 并且有许多这样的关键原则,因为除了对辩证唯物主义进行更广泛的讨论之外,共产主义无法被理解,更不用说评估了,它本身就是黑格尔辩证法对史学的改编,所有这些都是历史唯物主义的基础,反过来,它提供了对资本主义本质的全面批判。 一个好的马克思列宁主义图书馆可以很容易地包括一个专门用于马克思列宁主义教学和批评的整层楼是有原因的:这个教学体系非常庞大,包含历史、社会学、经济学、哲学和许多其他学科.

唯物主义本身包括大量著作,从前苏格拉底哲学家到尼采的“上帝已死”,再到道金斯的二年级著作。 如果我们诚实地仔细观察马克思列宁主义内部,我们会发现在马克思列宁主义建筑的大多数层面上都有这样的哲学珍珠(或挑战,取决于你如何看待它们)。 在我们宣布“共产主义已死”之前,我们必须先处理好马克思列宁主义建筑的每一层“楼层”并拆除 至少 所有最重要的至少我们都被(公正地)指责为故意无知。

其次,共产主义意识形态为我们今天生活的全球资本主义社会提供了最全面的批判。 考虑到现在只有最刻意失明的人仍然可以继续否认我们的社会正在经历一场深刻的危机,这可能导致通常被称为“TEOTWAWKI”(我们所知的世界末日),我会质疑宣布共产主义已死并忘记它的智慧。 毕竟,让我们自己了解共产主义对资本主义的批判并不意味着采用共产主义的解决方案来解决资本主义的弊病,正如关注医生的诊断意味着同意一个单一的治疗方案。 然而,我们的社会所做的是以治疗在一些情况下失败为由完全拒绝诊断。 那是多么愚蠢?

第三,共产主义和马克思列宁主义学说的语料库不仅庞大,而且非常多样化。 顺便说一下,列宁主义本身就是马克思主义思想的进一步发展。 只关注这种意识形态的创始人而忽视或者更糟的是解雇他们的现代追随者是不合逻辑的。 让我们举一个简单的例子:宗教。

众所周知,马克思宣称“r 宗教是人民的鸦片”。 确实,列宁和托洛茨基在他们掌权期间从事了只能被描述为种族灭绝和撒旦的活动,他们对一般宗教,尤其是东正教基督教肆无忌惮。 几十年来,狂热的无神论是马克思列宁主义意识形态的基石。 然而,如果你看看拉丁美洲(包括古巴和委内瑞拉)的各种马克思主义政权,你很快就会发现,他们用一种特定类型的基督教的认可取代了狂热的无神论,人们可以粗略地描述为“解放神学”。 现在,对于像我这样的铁杆东正教传统主义者来说,解放神学并不是我的一杯茶(完全披露:在政治上,我会将自己描述为传统的“人民君主主义者”(народный монархист)) 列夫·季霍米罗夫, 费奥多尔·陀思妥耶夫斯基, 伊万·索洛涅维奇 and 伊万·伊林).

但这里的重点不是解放神学的内在品质(或缺乏它),而是拉丁美洲马克思主义者已经明确抛弃无神论的事实。 而他们这样做是出于精神重生和更新的深刻感受,还是出于愤世嫉俗的强权政治考虑都无关紧要:即使他们不得不在压力下屈服,他们仍然做了一些他们的前辈在任何情况下都不会做的事情。 所以现在我们有像雨果查韦斯这样的领导人,而不是谴责宗教是反动的 声明 那“耶稣 基督是一个真正的共产主义者, 反帝者和寡头的敌人”。 真诚? 可能。 重要的? 明确地。 我认为,如果现代马克思主义者可以放弃像激进的无神论这样的核心、关键、信条,他们可能愿意放弃他们认为错误的任何其他部分(无论出于何种原因)。 合并 21st 世纪共产党人与他们的 19th 世纪前辈是不可原谅的愚蠢和无知。

第四,现代共产主义有许多原始甚至令人惊讶的味道。 最有趣的一种形式是伊朗伊斯兰共和国。 当然,现代伊朗绝非旧德意志民主共和国的翻版。 新闻电视台的巴黎记者拉明·马扎赫里 (Ramin Mazaheri) 在写道“欧洲通过工业化、理论和战争走向社会主义,但伊朗通过其宗教和道德信仰走向社会主义”。 毫无疑问,当马扎赫里称赞伊朗的“社会主义”成就时,他并没有反对共产主义的社会主义概念(马扎赫里是一个自豪且自以为是的共产主义),也没有提到“鱼子酱社会主义”法国左派。 相反,他将“社会主义”称为马克思主义和伊斯兰世界观所共有的一套潜在价值和原则。 人们常常忘记,伊朗革命的主要理论家之一, 阿里Shariati,是 明显受到社会主义甚至马克思主义思想的影响.

顺便说一下,伊朗在穆斯林世界并不是独一无二的。 例如,这些著作 赛义德·库特 1906-1966 包含 很多可以形容为马克思主义的思想. 我什至认为伊斯兰教、基督教和儒教都包含普遍主义和集体主义的强大元素,这些元素通常与马克思主义思想联系在一起,特别是与资本主义世界观(我个人称之为“世界观”)背后的那种臃肿的超个人主义形成鲜明对比。我,我自己和我”)。 当然,现代信条想把所有形式的伊斯兰教都贴上逆行、中世纪和其他反动的标签,但实际上,将伊斯兰教描述为革命的、社会的和进步的要公平得多。 但是,让我们不要将犹太复国主义宣传机器向那些仍在关注它的穷人所散播的废话与现实混为一谈,好吗? 我们当然可以同意,试图了解伊斯兰教的最糟糕的方法是关注美国的 Ziomedia!

共产主义——挑战:

很长一段时间没有击败任何人或任何事情的美国人可能强烈倾向于接受赢得冷战和/或击败共产主义的观念,这并不奇怪。 在一个成年人和可能受过教育的人可以严肃地宣称奥巴马是社会主义者(甚至是共产主义者)的国家,这种胡说八道很少会受到挑战。 这反映了一个民族的教育状况不佳,这个民族自以为“不可或缺”,但对了解世界其他地方没有真正的兴趣,更不用说它的历史了。

我们现在可以取笑惩罚性愚蠢的共产主义,他们的“科学共产主义”和他们的马克思主义和列宁主义大学教授,但不可否认的是,为了理解共产主义宣传,你需要有最低限度的教育,这种宣传让您接触到如今在西方社会中几乎已死的主题(例如哲学或历史)。 当我看到如今被视为政治科学或哲学的那种胡说八道时,我只能得出结论: 曾经引以为傲的西方世界现在缺乏理解、更不用说反驳马克思主义理论家所需的基本教育水平. 这是一种巨大的耻辱,因为我也相信马克思主义和共产主义本质上都是非常有吸引力和非常有毒的意识形态,必须受到挑战和反驳。

[侧边栏:我个人对马克思主义的看法并不是今天真正的主题,所以我将限制自己说,像所有乌托邦意识形态一样,马克思主义承诺了一个永远不会发生的未来。 诚然,这几乎不是马克思主义独有的罪过。 在现代理论家中,希特勒的相对谦虚应该受到赞扬——他“只”承诺了一个长达 1000 年的帝国。 相比之下,弗朗西斯·福山承诺过一个类似共产主义的“历史的终结”。 这与那些试图同时拒绝上帝同时(未成功)模仿上帝的无神论者的做法完全相同:乌托邦社会是撒旦在沙漠中诱惑基督期间向基督提供的(马太福音4:1-11)和这也是一些犹太人拒绝他的原因,因为他们为他们提供了一个属灵的国度,而不是他们所希望的世俗国度。 至少对我来说,有足够的东西来拒绝这个和任何其他承诺某种“人间天堂”的意识形态。 在我看来,所有乌托邦意识形态本质上都是撒旦的]。

马克思主义/共产主义意识形态建设的庞大语料库能否令人信服地驳斥? 我认为它可以,并且假设人类在不久的将来不会自我毁灭,它最终会。 但这将需要一种性质和规模完全不同于今天目前被抛向马克思主义的原始口号的集合的努力。 事实上,我也相信,东正教早在卡尔·马克思诞生前的许多世纪,就已经通过先发制人地驳斥了马克思主义,谴责其在圣经中的所有潜在假设、教父的著作、沙漠教父的言论、圣徒的生活,它的​​礼仪文本和图标,但在我们的后基督教社会中,只有极少数接触过它并受过足够教育以理解它的人才能获得反驳(这种人的一个很好的例子)将是费多尔·陀思妥耶夫斯基)。

在可预见的未来,共产主义有一个非常光明和漫长的未来,尤其是随着盎格鲁-犹太复国主义帝国的持续崩溃以及随后关于崩溃原因的辩论。 生活在美国的人可能会因为看不到共产主义的前景而被原谅,但从东南亚到印度次大陆,从非洲到拉丁美洲,共产主义的理想、价值观和论点继续对数以百万计的人产生巨大的吸引力。人们。 当唐纳德特朗普, 在他最近的联合国演讲中,被假定有权向世界讲授社会主义,他实际上只是表明无知并不能阻碍傲慢,而且它们通常是齐头并进的。 如果他的目的是对国内观众讲话,那么他可能会让一些人对自己和他们所生活的政治制度感觉良好。如果他真的是在对外国观众讲话,那么他唯一能做到的就是强化最坏的一面反美陈词滥调。

就目前而言,共产主义的幽灵将继续困扰我们这个星球的大部分地区,尤其是在教育和贫困率高的那些地区。 在基本上是文盲但富裕的世界里,共产主义将保持今天的样子:普遍被忽视,因此不为人知。 但是,当资本主义的宏伟大厦最终倒塌,其受害者重新发现宣传和教育之间的区别时,对共产主义意识形态的可信现代挑战可能会出现。 但在目前和可预见的未来,共产主义不仅会存在,而且不会被打败。

 
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  1. No you don’t need any education to refute Marxism, merely observing that everything it touches it turns to shit is more than sufficient.

    • 同意: renfro
  2. Giuseppe 说:

    Worse, most of those who did defect (and I personally helped quite a few of them) were mostly miserable once they came to the West, their illusions shattered in less than a year, and all they were left with was a ever-present nostalgia. For that reason, I personally always advised them not to emigrate.

    So, how would you counsel me, a Westerner who loves his country but hates the empire that stole its place. I toy with the idea of emigrating to Russia to escape the tyranny of the national security state, perhaps to take advantage of the free land being offered to homesteaders in the East.

    Do you think my illusions would also be shattered in less than a year? Keep in mind that that I fully agree with you regarding…

    …the ongoing collapse of the Anglo-Zionist Empire…

    • 回复: @Kiza
  3. peterAUS 说:

    You know what I think, Saker?
    I don’t buy for a milisecond that you really believe in most, almost all actually, what you wrote here.

    I have to give it to you.
    You have skills…… for the game here.
    聪明的…

    Just be careful not to overdo it.

  4. And it is true that Lenin and Trotsky engaged in what can only be described as a genocidal and satanic run amok against religion in general, and Orthodox Christianity especially, while they were in power.

    I don’t think they did that. The alternative theory is that Russian peasants hated the priests — not Orthodox Christianity as such, but the priests and the official church, essential part of the ruling class — so much that they happily killed a whole bunch of ‘blood-sucking priests’. Personally, I find this theory more plausible.

    Now, Khrushchev, on the other hand, really did hit the church hard. Still, I don’t think it was particularly genocidal or satanic. Just politics.

    • 回复: @renfro
    , @Thirdeye
    , @Bro Methylene
  5. @Anatoly Karlin

    No you don’t need any education to refute Marxism, merely observing that everything it touches it turns to shit is more than sufficient.

    But that’s nothing like refutation of marxism (which, after all, is only a tool-set for analyzing socioeconomic phenomena from a certain angle). That’s just you declaring yourself anti-marxist.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
    , @Quartermaster
  6. All “isms” are theoretically attractive, but no society can exist long without a valuing virtue.

    Neither can any economy can use fiat money without a commitment to technological progress (ie improved physical landscape as opposed to racketeering).

  7. Anonymous [AKA "J.L.Seagull"] 说:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    Indeed, Mao Cheng Ji, there seem to be a lot of people who think saying “XYZ sucks” automatically makes it true… this must be some instant gratification culture at work.

    • 回复: @Joe Wong
  8. Anon • 免责声明 说:

    A very wordy article. A couple of (logical) questions:

    1) Is the abolition of private property a central tenet of communism?
    2) Is the abolition of private property compatible with human nature?

    The answer to the second is no, which is why when attempted has to be imposed tyrannically. It is an utopia that disregards, even hates, the human person. It can no more be achieved than the current gender ideology espoused by totalitarian politicians. But it will be tried, and cause like communism, incalculable suffering.

  9. Darin 说:

    好的,Saker 先生:您对经济计算问题的解决方案是什么?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem

  10. Soviet “version” of Communism was dead pretty much by the end of Stalin’s tenure economically (his famous “We need new theory”). Ideologically and culturally it died by the end of 1960s. At this stage what is at stake is merely a scale of the role the state should play in the life of the society, admittedly larger one in economic field and only certain one in ideological (and cultural) fields.

    • 回复: @Authenticjazzman
  11. @Anon

    1) Is the abolition of private property a central tenet of communism?

    Yes, in general. In Soviet version through, especially, 1977 Constitution a “personal property” was legitimized but, of course, more important than just “private property” was the issue of “using it for exploitation”–that was never settled, despite the fact that by 1977 USSR already had a vast market of the real estate (rent, exchange and sale) and other forms of markets were being formed: from agricultural, to other. In some sense you make a very good point. On the other, what goes in the West under the title of “Marxism” has very little to do with Marxism per se. All that is still good ol’ liberalism dressed into the “Marxian” clothes. The issue of alienation–be it property, profits, standard of living, not getting the girl one wants, or committing suicide because not getting the newest iPhone–all that is completely in human nature and Marxism gave a good analytical tool for viewing it. Using Marxist “solutions” (albeit Marx realistically never called for revolution but mostly for overcoming capitalism in evolutionary manner through developing productive forces and relations), of course, is not the answer. Per “totalitarian politicians”–get a pop-corn and observe American “democracy” turning into totalitarian state.

  12. anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    All of them, beginning with the Gorbachev and Eltsin gangs were traitors to their Party, to their people and to their country.

    Isn’t it exceedingly strange that within the party itself, at the very highest levels, members of long standing would suddenly emerge as sellouts and traitors? There must have been something at the very heart of the party that led to this corruption by high-ranking members. What was it? A lot of former communists seem to have been able to make a complete turnabout and morph into greedy opportunists in post-communist countries.
    Communist parties imposed themselves in circumstances of war, chaos and use of bayonets rather than evolving towards communism peacefully. The communists theorized they could skip over stages of development and were in a hurry to do so, creating reigns of terror. This inevitably deformed the nature of this so-called ‘communism’. Would Marx approve of the ‘communism’ of the Pol Pot regime or DPRK? The term ‘Marxism-Leninism’ is used frequently. Perhaps it would be best to drop the second name and go back to the original writings to see what the actual intent was. There’s always a gap between the theory and the practice whether discussing communism or any other ideology.

  13. Anon • 免责声明 说:


    In 1920 Austrian economist Ludwig von Mises published a short treatise “The Impossibility of Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth”. This proves communism is impossible because without free markets there is no way to allocate resources efficiently.
    This little essay prompted all kinds of attempts by communists to refute its thesis until the fall of USSR .
    The arrow should point not to communism but to pure free markets with minimal or no government.

    • 回复: @animalogic
  14. yeah 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    “No you don’t need any education to refute Marxism, merely observing that everything it touches it turns to shit is more than sufficient.”

    Now that is what is called a nice knock-down argument! I don’t like “x”, I condemn it, case closed. No facts, logic or reasoning needed.

    The Saker is neither defending communism here, nor touting its glories. With significant reasoning he is arguing that the urge towards communism has in common with most religions a desire for human equality and mitigation of the horrors of poverty. As to whether communism can deliver that objective is a different matter. But if the suffering caused by globalized capitalism of the crony and corrupt kind continues – as it is in our times – expect some more thrusts in the direction of socialism or communism.

    Nor is there any evidence to show that everything touched by communism turns to shit. China would not be what it is today without its history of communism. The USSR, for all its warts and troubles, cannot be dismissed as a case of shit. Communism may not be compatible with human nature, but that does not knock down its appeal in certain moments of human history. Communism will likely never succeed, for reasons that need some serious thinking and not an ignorant dismissal if we are to understand politics, history, and such.

  15. Issac 说:

    Communism is the evisceration of the proletariat by the bourgeoisie. It is alive and well. The only thing that’s dead is the myth that Communism is a worker’s movement or that it was meant to liberate anyone from servitude. Their goal is a borderless world with a powerless underclass to be ruled by racially superlative academics and political technocrats.

    • 回复: @Authenticjazzman
  16. @anonymous

    Isn’t it exceedingly strange that within the party itself, at the very highest levels, members of long standing would suddenly emerge as sellouts and traitors? There must have been something at the very heart of the party that led to this corruption by high-ranking members

    Excellent point. Now, apart from actual traitors, which did exist, such as Yakovlev, among few of them, consider this fact: 1985 you have a society which is a very affluent one–yes, yes, USSR was extremely developed country and while uneven, most people lived in 1985 way better than they lived in 1965, not to mention 1939. In fact, the progress was starling. Moreover, consider this–you have a population which by that time owned apartments, very many owned cars, dachas, all had access to free education (including higher one), free health care. So, what are you going to do? Soviet population also had a shitload of savings. This was a perfect mixture for a desire to live even better, the existing system, which still retained a lot of mobilizational element in it, was simply incapable to provide this. Just one example–the retail mafia was a real mafia and played a crucial role in creating deficits. As paradoxical as it sounds, but Soviet “communism” sentenced itself by creating a very good level of consumption and having the most educated country in the world. As Nobel Peace Prize nominee Johan Galtung noted: “This situation arose from the fact that the Soviet Union had the highest number of intelligentsia in the world, thirty five million—fifteen million who had university degrees and twenty million who in the United States would be community-college graduates. In some statistical reports, this is supposed to account for some 25 percent of intelligentsia in the world.” It was a perfect storm in many respects which DID include the issue of actual treason among many other factors. But what is not understood in the West is the fact that Soviets at that time viewed desired “capitalism” through the prism of a very “communist” privileges they had. As for the Party and Komsomol–first serious businesses (cooperatives etc.) were promoted through regional Obkoms of Komsomol and often went under the title of Centers of NTTM (Scientific-Technical Creativity of Youth). Now, what is happening today in Russia is steady separation of the “communism” and of the Soviet State and this separation is legitimate. Soviet system not always was “communist” per se.

  17. China would not be what it is today without its history of communism.

    这是一个毫无意义的陈述。

    First, we have no idea whether that would be the case. Second, it is a truism. Of course it wouldn’t be what it is – it would be a fantasy, counterfactual, alternative history. Third, had the Nationalists won the civil war and EVERYTHING else remained the same in 1949, the ENTIRE history of all nations from 1949-2017 would still have played out completely differently.

    China might be in 10 times better shape and the oceans might all be made of lemonade were it not for its history of communism.

    And also, you provide no facts, logic, or reasoning. Good Job.

    No, I’ll agree with Anatoly Karlin’s original statement. Lighten up.

    • 回复: @renfro
  18. If the collapse of the Soviet Union proved that Communism “does not work” then I suppose that the collapse of the Anglo/Zio Empire will prove that Capitalism does not work. Maybe then we will accept that all national economies are mixed economies with private financing of private needs and public financing of public needs. How we do the mixing will lean left or right.

    • 回复: @silent_bob
  19. @Andrei Martyanov

    Moreover, consider this–you have a population which by that time owned apartments, very many owned cars, dachas, all had access to free education (including higher one), free health care.

    I mean dude, why ruin what was a reasonable point (if one that could still be contended with on the details) with… 汽车,在所有事物中。

    If there’s one consumption item on which the USSR failed above all else, it was in cars. Even 1990s Russia did far better on raising car ownership!

    Johan Galtung noted: “This situation arose from the fact that the Soviet Union had the highest number of intelligentsia in the world, thirty five million—fifteen million who had university degrees and twenty million who in the United States would be community-college graduates. In some statistical reports, this is supposed to account for some 25 percent of intelligentsia in the world.”

    另一种说法是资格过高。 在西方,大多数苏联“工程师”将是“技术员”,而大多数苏联“医生”将是“护士”或“医务人员”。

  20. 新法西斯主义是唯一的答案。

    它是民族主义、人文主义、传统主义、现代主义、资本主义和社会主义的融合。

    只有新法西斯主义才能平衡所有的主义。 没有新法西斯的手来当教练和裁判,各种主义只会像傻孩子一样互相争斗。

    它一定是新法西斯主义,因为旧法西斯主义因个人崇拜、否认个性、自大妄想、硬汉狂妄和激进种族主义而失败。

    • 回复: @Darin
    , @5371
    , @Parfois
  21. There seem to be two different things: small-c communism and cap-C Communism. When FDR famously said, “True communism is divine,” he was talking about the small-c thing. Presumably FDR meant that everyone was happy and everyone shared and no one exploited anyone. Small-c communism. Not today’s subject.

    Today we discuss cap-C Communism, like what they have in China. Some say no, that China has changed and it is now capitalism there … or maybe it’s “state capitalism” or “a uniquely Chinese form of capitalism.” That’s all BS because cap-C Communism means government run by the Communist Party. That’s why the C is capitalized!

    Cap-C Communism, however, does have certain characteristics: it is government of, by and for members of the Communist Party. It is autocratic. It is never democratic. It may present itself under the name of a Republic (as in the “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea”), but it has none of the checks and balances that we usually associate with the word ‘Republic’. Even when it morphs into something like capitalism, it has nothing to do with the kind of economy or state envisaged by Adam Smith or any of the classical liberals, such as J. S. Mill. And, by the way, contrary to promises made by such as the Mises Institute, regardless of whether China is considered to be ‘good’ now that it has become a member in good standing in the WTO, it has not and probably will never gradually develop into a democratic nation that allows its citizens to exercise civil liberties. That just doesn’t happen according to some law of political economics that capitalism = civil liberty.

    Can you think of another such government from the 20th Century? Check out the Third Reich: one-party, autocratic, no civil liberty, no trial by jury, lawyers jailed for practicing law as we would understand it, economy dominated by large transnational corporations, including branches of IBM and GM – all of them integrated into the tightly one-party controlled state.

  22. @Anatoly Karlin

    Thank you for saying something. This 35 million-strong intelligentsia struck me as outrageous. I’ve been lucky to have been given one of the best educations in the United States. I’ve never been under the impression that intelligentsia included community-college graduates ANYWHERE. I’ve always understood intelligentsia to be made up more of colleges-professor types, authors, researchers, etc. But, whatever. We aren’t that into classifying everything, I guess.

    • 回复: @The Alarmist
  23. Yee 说:

    I heard that American Indian Reservations are pretty communism — the means of production owned by every member, profit from it shared by every member. If it’s ture, then it sure is communism.

    If the US was run in the Indian Reservations way, with the most lucrative assets — banks, military industry, oil fields, owned by the people, then they probably wouldn’t have a debt problem. And no need to bomb the Iraqis and Libyans too, since profit from selling bombs don’t go to private pockets.

    • 回复: @Authenticjazzman
  24. Karl Marx famously said they would hang the last capitalist with the rope he sold them; he was not far off the mark.

    Communism isn’t dead, it is merely dormant. It has been an appealing and enduring system for the ages, as it promises something for essentially nothing other than ordinary effort. That appeals to at least half the bell curve even in the best of times, but to the point about the rope, by driving the mass of the Western populations into penury, the elites have sowed the seeds that may very well re-awake Communism from nearly thirty years of mouldering sleep.

    Yeah, people had it tough in the east bloc in the 70s and 80s, but I remember my first trip to Portugal in the 80s, and it felt like I had been transported back 30 years in time. Germany, by contrast, only felt twenty years behind the US.

    I think I sensed the East Bloc was on its last legs when in 1985 I saw a large ad on the side of a building in Budapest featuring J.R. Ewing. I also heard Dallas had hit the air in Romania, ostensibly to show the people a fine example of the decadent West, though it was more likely owing to Ceacescu being a big fanboy (Hagman even flew there to collect royalties for his likeness on adverts there).

    Here’s a blast from the socialist past, showing people being people; even behind the Iron Curtain, they had some use for advertising:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1hcery5U7c

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6u4iMxWDd5c

  25. renfro 说:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    ” I don’t think they did that.”

    But they did….do more learning before you think. Lenin and Trotsky were bloody psychopaths.

    British reports in 1919 from British officials on the ground

    https://www.scribd.com/document/118630594/Overman-Report-AKA-Bolshevik-Propaganda-Hearings

    US Senate Hearings
    1919
    https://www.archive.org/stream/collectionofrepo00greaiala/collectionofrepo00greaiala_djvu.txt

    Go down to testimony of Dr. George Simons

  26. renfro 说:
    @Johnny Rico

    ” China would not be what it is today without its history of communism”

    Correction.,,,…China wouldnt be what it is today if Britain hadn’t taken over Hong Kong 160 some years ago (they turned it over in 1997. )
    由于英国人为贸易和商业建立的香港成为中国的金融中心。
    Although it is not officially ‘part of’ China but a stand alone territory with its own governance it is where China’s business is done.
    It is also where the mainland coolie Chinese try to get into because it has advanced benefits like medical care, some welfare benefits…things they don’t have in mainland China.

  27. @Anatoly Karlin

    If there’s one consumption item on which the USSR failed above all else, it was in cars. Even 1990s Russia did far better on raising car ownership!

    Tsk. We can endlessly argue about what it was and what it wasn’t, and compare it to what it is now, but empirical evidence demonstrates that 35 years after, a large majority of people in post-communist countries – 75% or so – claim, consistently, that the communist system was 更好.

    And this attitude is getting stronger. Last year I saw a Romanian survey where 66% said that if they could they would’ve voted for Ceausescu. In 2010 it was 41%.

    It doesn’t mean, obviously, that everything was great, but it does mean, most definitely imo, that people are bitterly disappointed the new system. And, unlike Westerners, they know that there is an alternative.

  28. Thirdeye 说:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    The Russian Orthodox hierarchy was part of a church-state combine resembling that of the Catholic hierarchy and the Feudal aristocracies of western Europe during Medieval times. It taught that the Tsar’s place in Holy Russia was ordained, and that notion had considerable authority among Russian peasants. The Bolsheviks gained allies among national minorities who chafed under that ideology and there was considerable brutality directed against Russian peasants who embraced it. Communist atheism lasted only until late 1941 when Stalin, who had been trained as an Orthodox priest, revived Holy Russia as a national ideology. Best indications are that his re-embrace of Orthodox Christianity was genuine.

    • 回复: @tomasrose
  29. Thirdeye 说:

    Marx had good insights on the contradictions of liberal capitalism that would force profound changes. He was correct that they would force the rise of a post-liberal epoch. He went off the rails on just what the forms of social organization in the post-liberal epoch would be, and the process that would lead to liberal capitalism’s displacement. Interestingly, the societies that embraced Communist ideology were never fully liberal to begin with, tending to have more communitarian traditions. The moves to eradicate spiritual traditions in the Soviet Union and China were, ironically, moves against social ethos that made a foundation for Communist social organization. The experiments with liberal economics in the Soviet Union and China follow logically from the moves against traditional ethos by the ruling hierarchies in those countries. But those same two societies are still able to confront the contradictions of liberal capitalism without the baggage of liberal ideology that renders the West’s efforts to mitigate them so ineffective.

    In the whole discussion of paths of economic and social development, we tend to overlook the successful quantum leap from feudalism to a unique form of post-liberal capitalism executed by Imperial Japan. It was successful because it was a national project in which everyone was made to feel they were a stakeholder, and large enterprises were directed to develop in a manner that supported that national project. Social welfare was integrated into the economic model rather than being added as an afterthought. Of course it happened in a society where individualism was a dirty word.

  30. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Romania? Seriously?

    I have Albanian friends who live in Boston. They still have family and property in Albania. Every year they go back for extended visits.

    I have a dozen Russian friends who grew up in Moscow. I have an Estonian friend. I have a good Moldovan friend.

    I’ve known literally hundreds of Chinese from the mainland.

    I wouldn’t take anything any of these people say, good or bad, as evidence of the efficacy of the larger ideological/economic systems involved.

    How do they poll the people that died?

    • 回复: @Mao Cheng Ji
  31. @Andrei Martyanov

    ” Ideologically and culturally it died by the end of the sixties”

    Wrong, it was born dead and legions of idiots, who were/are trying to make themselves appear important ( this sounds rediculous, but it is right on the money) have been and are trying to breathe life into it’s corpse for a hundred and fifty plus years.
    There is not, and never was any humanistic motivation harbored by the advocates of this idiocy.

    Academics with their inherent lunacy and inadequacy complexes are the main champions of this barbaric cult, as they see themselves as the honchos and ruling cadre’ after the “Revolution” succeeds.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained U S Army Vet, and pro Jazz artist.

  32. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Shalamov in Kolyma Tales talks about selective memory as a survival mechanism. Humans tend to have stronger memories of the good.

    I’m probably misremembering what he said and misquoting him or something like that 🙂

  33. @Issac

    Bravo! Brilliant synopsis in just a few words.

    And a point always omitted or missed is the “German” worship of academics which has permeated all of US society, leading the viewpoint of them, academics, being God-like and infallible.

    In Italy a common greeting amongst friends is a jovial “Bob Giorno Dottore”, or “Bon Giorno Professore”, utterances which would never occur in Germany as they would constitute a desecretion of these “Hallowed” titles.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained Us army Vet, and pro jazz artist.

  34. @Johnny Rico

    I wouldn’t take anything any of these people say, good or bad, as evidence of the efficacy of the larger ideological/economic systems involved.

    Funny comment, I’ll give you that. “Efficacy” is in the eye of the beholder, you know. Besides, I specifically clarified, in the comment you’re responding to: “It doesn’t mean, obviously, that everything was great, but it does mean, most definitely imo, that people are bitterly disappointed the new system.“. That’s ~75% of people living in Romania, Hungary, and similar places (unlike you friends living in Boston). And I’ll admit I’m not familiar with the situation specifically in Albania.

    This is an inconvenient fact for the anti-communists of the world, and I’m aware of the typical responses. I’m suggesting that you might want to open your mind a little bit, and consider the possibility that your friends and acquaintances in Boston might not be a representative sampling.

    • 回复: @Mao Cheng Ji
    , @Johnny Rico
  35. @Mao Cheng Ji

    …here’s Albania, December 2016:

    According to a survey report on the Understanding and Perception of Citizens of the Communist Past in Albania, almost half of the population of Albania sees Enver Hoxha’s role in the history of the country as positive.

    The study found that 55 percent of citizens in the regions of southern and southwestern Albania that were interviewed, had the most positive view of Albania’s former communist dictator.

    ...

    Almost half of the people surveyed think that Communism in Albania was “a good idea, poorly implemented.” Over a third of respondents think that Communism was simply “a bad idea.”

    http://www.tiranatimes.com/?p=130276

  36. @Anatoly Karlin

    另一种说法是资格过高。 在西方,大多数苏联“工程师”将是“技术员”,而大多数苏联“医生”将是“护士”或“医务人员”。

    Anatoly, I already answered you in your blog, I will repeat–do not express opinion on things, you have no clue about.

  37. @Mao Cheng Ji

    I totally agree. I was born in Europe and lived for a year when I was much younger in Saudi Arabia. I’ve also lived in Mexico.

    A couple of things. People tend not to be “communist” or “anti-communist” but rather a whole range of things and shades of sympathies at different times and under different conditions.

    Identifying as something, especially as an “-ist” of some type has always seemed a little weird to me. Humans usually act in their immediate self-interest and don’t really ever pay attention to anything that doesn’t affect them personally. Being an “-ist” seems to satisfy some need to belong to a group. Strength in numbers or something like that. Gives you an alibi for killing the “others.”

    Disappointment is as much a product of high expectations based on the grass always being greener on the other side of the fence as it is on any objective, rational view of reality. Poll data, like statistics, usually show a very incomplete snapshot and are frequently cherry-picked to support some point.

    I’m always completely open-minded and highly skeptical.

    And then there is that whole Holodomor-denial thing.

    I thought Romania was doing well. I’ll have to look more into that.

  38. Darin 说:
    @Priss Factor

    它一定是新法西斯主义,因为旧法西斯主义因个人崇拜、否认个性、自大妄想、硬汉狂妄和激进种族主义而失败。

    所以新法西斯主义是没有任何使法西斯主义成为法西斯主义的东西的法西斯主义? 为我工作。

  39. @Yee

    ” The means of production owned by every member, profit from it shared by every member”

    Yeah this is how the gambling casinos, the most lukrative businesses owned and operated by the tribes work.

    正宗爵士乐手“Mensa”自 1973 年起获得资格,空降训练有素的美国陆军兽医和职业爵士乐艺术家。

  40. @Anatoly Karlin

    Nobody suffering from a grave illness and in their right mind, would have during the reign of the communists, chosen to be treated by Russian or Cuban educated “doctors”, if they had other choices.

    I was married to a German MD, surgeon, late seventies, early eighties, and she had a east-German trained MD as a co-worker : He was clueless.

    And as far as “Cars” go : the Russians had all of the resources for a complete automobile industry, they, the honchos, however were insanely paranoid regarding a “mobile” citizenry, with visions of pitchforks and torches flashing through their demented minds and they purposely denied their subjects the possibility of mobility, of car ownership.

    1973年以来一直担任Authenticjazzman“ Mensa”资格,经过机师培训的美国陆军兽医和专业爵士音乐家。

    • 回复: @MarkinPNW
  41. MarkinPNW 说:
    @Authenticjazzman

    It is believed by many that the Soviet Space program faltered and failed due to Soviet medicine, when the “Chief Designer”, one of those great natural leaders who can positively motivate people and get things done even in a Communist system with all of it’s contradictions (first satellite, first man in space, first spacewalk, etc.) went in for a routine hernia operation and never came out, dying on the operating table due to medical incompetence.

    • 回复: @utu
  42. @Johnny Rico

    “I’ve always understood intelligentsia to be made up more of colleges-professor types, authors, researchers, etc.”

    Maybe in the old days …. the new breed of college-professor-types are mind-numbed robots programmed to indoctrinate successive waves of SJWs. Authors nowadays are largely Ghost-writer-supported darlings like HRC or Bill O’Reilly. Researchers have learned to write research that gets money, which is why we have the religion of AGW. Intelligentsia is an oxymoron in the twenty-first century.

    • 回复: @utu
  43. Intelligentsia is an oxymoron in the twenty-first century.

    Thank you. Well said. Now I can get back to watching Anatoly toy with Andrei.

  44. 5371 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Nah, we need old-school fascism, the original and best.

    • 回复: @animalogic
  45. Anonymous [AKA "Fred Angels"] 说:

    The full “opium” quote is worth a look, as it is sympathetic to the religious response of the masses to an unjust world:

    “Religion is the sigh of the oppressed, it is the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.”

  46. @Anon

    1) All political isms possess the ability to eliminate private property. Some are more forthright about doing it.

    2) Abolition of private property is compatible with man’s nature. Abolition is not compatible with human nature.

    3) There are oh so very few humans.

    • 同意: jacques sheete
  47. Beckow 说:

    “…the ongoing collapse…finally comes tumbling down…”

    I would be more careful. I agree with Saker that utopianism, and ideologues in general, are evil. We can even compare them to Satanism if we are spiritually inclined.

    But predictions of doom, end-of-world prophecies, etc… are not far behind. They are also quasi-satanic. It will not end, it will go on. Time is just one damn thing after another. No end is in sight. And changes when they happen are much more minor and gradual. Living in eastern Europe in 1985 and in 1995, or even 2015, was not that dramatically different.

  48. nickels 说:

    Communism = arguing about whether shutting the door when you go to the bathroom is bourgeois.

    Capitalism —— Communism
    All part of the same deceptive dialectic designed to keep people from reaching practical solutions that work.

    I finally gave up arguing these things when my understanding of the fallen world helped me realize the impossibility of any scheme proposed by mankind.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  49. peterAUS 说:
    @nickels

    I finally gave up arguing these things when my understanding of the fallen world helped me realize the impossibility of any scheme proposed by mankind.

    您可能会喜欢这里的东西。

  50. Stogumber 说:

    I am rather unhappy with the fact that most readers here reduce Communism to an attack against private property.
    But Communism was at first and at last an attack against the civil liberties (freedom of thought and speech, assembly,association). And this constant attack against civil liberties was the most persistent and influential activity of the Western Communists – and as it was completely compatible with the interests of the Capitalist oligarchy, it has conquered the Western world on broad scale. “Anti-discrimination” for example was a very good instrument by which the Western Communists destroyed traditional civil liberties.

  51. Anonymous [AKA "shortchanged"] 说:
    @Anon

    Has anyone heard of ‘compulsory aquisition’ , that is the forced sale of private property to a local or state goverment, in Australia and England and ?? Surely this is a form communism, but cannot be called that because conservative governments do this as well. Or is it that any colour of goverment will do whatever it wants no matter the reason.

    • 回复: @RobinG
    , @Wizard of Oz
  52. Seraphim 说:

    Paraphrasing Baudelaire:

    “The devil’s finest trick is to persuade you that he died”.

  53. Of course communism is not dead, no religion ever really died.
    What a centrally directed economy is unable of is producing those consumer goods the consumer wants.
    Only the profit motive can accomplish this.
    When USSR citizens began to see, literally, tv, how people in the west lived, far better than they did, it was the end of communism in practice.
    When Chrustjow visited the USA he was flabbergasted on how ordinary USA citizens lived.

    • 回复: @unpc downunder
  54. Tyrion 说:

    But to keep things short, all I will say is this: any person who has actually traveled in Asia, Africa or South America will attest that the Communists (USSR, China, Cuba) actually sent immense amounts of aid including raw materials, technologies, specialists, doctors, military advisors, agronomists, water-sanitation engineers, etc. In contrast, ask anybody in these continents what Capitalism brings, and you will get the same answer: violence, exploitation and the support for a local Comprador ruling gang. To anybody arguing with this I could only recommend one thing: begin traveling the world.

    They are telling a particularly stupid Russian what they think a particularly stupid Russian wants to hear. People can be polite like that.

    I mean starting your article with the two silliest, most cliched and most sophmoric arguments about Communism there are.

    “Hur dur dummy, but Communism has never really been tried”

    “Hur dur, to really be tried everyone must do it”

    …Emperor’s New Clothes level con-man nonsense.

  55. Tyrion 说:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    And this attitude is getting stronger. Last year I saw a Romanian survey where 66% said that if they could they would’ve voted for Ceausescu. In 2010 it was 41%.

    You did not see such a survey.

  56. utu 说:
    @MarkinPNW

    Perhaps Stalin was right about the doctors’ plot.

    • 回复: @Seraphim
  57. utu 说:
    @The Alarmist

    Intelligentsia is an oxymoron in the twenty-first century.

    No, i;s is not. It is as it always was just obrazovanshchina, i.e, people who are merely educated.

    Solzhenitsyn defines obrazovanshchina as the category of people who self-refer to themselves as “intelligentsia” solely on the basis of having a higher than middle education. Solzhenitsyn explains the selection of the term by reference to Vladimir Dahl’s dictionary, which distinguished the terms образовать (to educate) and просвещать (to enlighten), the former concept having a superficial character, “external gloss”.

  58. Communism is dead.

    Only Neo-fascism will work.

    Someone said, ‘nationalism is the socialism of fools’. He couldn’t be more wrong.

    Socialism can only work on the national-racial level since you are more likely to feel a blood-and-guts connection to your own kind in your own territory. Also, it’s doable for a people to take care of their own in their own borders. It’s impossible for a people to save the entire world. USSR ran out of money trying to prop up leech-states like Cuba, Angola, Mozambique, Ethiopia. Russia would do better to take care of Russians, not save humanity. Same with Sweden. Swedes had a good thing going with national social-democracy. But they got filled with self-righteous hubris and decided to be a moral superpower and welcome the entire world… and it’s destroying the very fabric of Swedish society.

    Neo-Fascism sees the value of every kind of -ism. Every -ism has some degree of validity and a useful limit. It’s like cooking requires several ingredients, not just ONE. This is why left vs right dichotomy is stupid. There are essential ideas on both the left and right. They need to be combined instead of confronted at all times.

    Israel is proof that nationalism is the best socialism. In Israel, the national covenant is that ALL Jews must care for one another. So, a Jew, no matter how rich, has to feel a sense of brotherhood with poor Jews. Jewish Covenant is the fusion of biology, history, and spirituality(and territory if possible). It’s about unity of Jewish blood, Jewish narrative, and Jewish sense of destiny in relation to the cosmic. Such mindset creates a strong bond so that even the richest Jews look upon poorest Jews as fellow kin and brother or sister.

    The reason why Jews hate blood-and-soil mentality among gentiles is not because they hate the idea per se. Paradoxically, Jews hate to see blood-and-soil conviction in others precisely because it’s such a powerful idea, the one that serves as the foundation of Israel(and even when Israel didn’t exist, Jewish sense of covenant had an ethno-state-mindset of blood and soil).

    Jews hate blood-and-soil in gentiles for the same reason that US and Israel hate the idea of nuclear weapons among other nations. If US and Israel hate nukes per se, why don’t they get rid of theirs? Of course, they LOVE their own nukes cuz it gives them super duper power. They hate nukes in other nations because nukes make the OTHER nations powerful in turn. Nukes are the great equalizer. A man with a gun doesn’t want others to have the gun.

    So, when Jews defame whites for being ‘supremacist’, what they really fear is gentile parity and equality with Jews. Jews want blood-and-soil mindset ONLY FOR THEMSELVES. If whites want equality of blood-and-soil self-determination, Jews(who steadfastly hold onto their own blood and soil) denounce them as ‘supremacist’. Jews deny blood-and-soil parity between Jews and gentiles. They know it is a great source of power.
    Modernity has led to all sorts of advances for all peoples, but it also has an uprooting, alienating, and diluting effect. So, even as modernity empowers us with science and technology, it weakens us in terms of identity, history, and solidarity(with own kin). This is why modernity has to be rooted in something of meaningful ethnic and cultural depth. And with Jews, it is the sense of Covenant that unifies spirituality, history, biology, and territory. It unites ALL Jews around the world to think about one another and it brings all their energies to support the Holy Land.

    For any people to survive as race and culture in our modernized world, they need their own sense of covenant that makes them feel a sacred bond with their blood, land, and history.
    That is Neo-Fascism. And once a people are instilled with it, it can co-exist with democracy… as in Israel and Ataturk’s Modern Turkey.

    • 同意: anarchyst
  59. Communism was a huge failure.

    Now, it’s true that many ‘capitalist’ allies of the US did poorly, but it had more to do with race and diversity. Some races aren’t good at economics. And some new Third World nations were too diverse for cohesion and unity. They would failed under ANY system.

    But look at Asia. Compare China under communism to China under free markets. Which did better?
    Compare Japan and Taiwan with commie China and commie Vietnam. Compare North Korea and South Korea.

    If a people have basic ability and unity, they do better under capitalism. Still, excessive capitalism invariably leads to huge problems. Main problem is that capitalism creates a globalist elite neo-aristo class that feels closer to one another than with their own people. As such, the national elites become cosmo-deracinated and useless as leaders of their own people. Worse, they try to replace their own people with foreigners to (1) to use divide-and-rule among the masses and (2) feel morally superior to the masses. Rich people are often blamed for having too much by the masses. So, an effective counter-moral-weapon of the rich is to increase diversity and then blame the masses for ‘racism’ and ‘xenophobia’. UK and French elites pull this shi* all the time. British working classes used to have the moral advantage against the Rich. But now, the British uppercrust turn up their noses as the working class white masses as ‘racists’ who aren’t welcoming of Muslims and Africans.

    Communism, miserable as it was, had one positive feature in stressing that the elites must feel a strong kinship with the masses. Since there was a cap on how much wealth one could accumulate under communism, it was less likely to lead to a rise of Elysium Elite Club. But Communism is too stifling and repressive.

    The solution is Neo-Fascism that allows free markets and enterprise but also emphasizes the needs of the masses in terms of social security, identity, history, and pride. Best qualities of post-Maoist China and post-Yeltsin Russia is their elements of Neo-Fascism… though the power of capital are such that both nations are lurching toward globalist deracination if current trends continue.

    PS. The Soviet Revolution was, in a way, the Revolt of the Imperial Periphery against the Russian Core. Russian Empire led to blowback. Russia came to control so many peoples, and the radical elites of these regions — Georgia, Poland, Latvia, Armenia, Pale of Settlement, etc — exploited the crisis of WWI to gain power. Russian masses were vulnerable once the Russian elites fell in the Revolution. On average, Russians were far less educated and intellectual than many other groups under Imperial Russian rule. So, when Imperial Rule fell apart, Russian masses were lost, and the non-Russian alien radicals filled the vacuum.

    • 回复: @Authenticjazzman
  60. Interloper 说:

    I’ve traveled the world and you are wrong and I won’t bother arguing against a bullshitter since bullshitters have no regard for facts.

  61. animalogic 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Thus demonstrating that you failed to comprehend ANYTHING in the Saker’s article, Anatoly. A nuanced article, that asks no more than you move beyond cliches etc to actually think , but what can you give us ? It’s “Shit”….

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  62. animalogic 说:
    @anonymous

    “Isn’t it exceedingly strange that within the party itself, at the very highest levels, members of long standing would suddenly emerge as sellouts and traitors? There must have been something at the very heart of the party that led to this corruption by high-ranking members.”
    Let’s assume that the above is correct … regardless, this corruption at the heart business, treason etc reminds me of the 1% elites of tthatvother superpower….And — coincidentally – ? that 1% corruption became turbo-charged in response to the collapse of the other superpower…

  63. animalogic 说:
    @Anon

    “but to pure free markets with minimal or no government.”
    Pure, free markets…I had no idea that delusion of such depth still existed.
    Communism is a goal – possibly unattainable. However, socialism is a means — a means not incompatible with markets.
    Pure, free markets are more fantastic than communism itself.

  64. Saker, not every thinker in the West holds the simplistic ideas Capitalism=Good, Communism=Bad that you ascribe to us. True, many mainstream thinkers do. But they are not serious thinkers. They are neither particularly well read nor do they think deeply about what they have read. Any thinking person knows that in every economy there are socialist, communistic and capitalist forces.

    In supposedly capitalist America, the roads are publicly owned. Pure socialism. Most, if not all water and sewage treatment plants are publicly owned, as are (or were) most schools. Only a shallow-minded Milton Friedman type would argue that this is bad or needs correction. Such apostles of the pure “free” market aren’t really taken seriously by any American thinker.

    I understand “communism” to mean direct worker ownership and management of factories and infrastructure. All to be administered by worker’s communes.

    To understand why this failed in the West, we have to look at how capitalism short circuited this process. Capitalism undermined direct worker ownership by buying off the elite managers/engineers who were to be the brains of the workers communes. They bribed them with good wages and nice retirement plans. Without brains, the workers were left powerless.

    American capitalism justifies this bribery by arguing that brain-power is a scarce commodity and that the market distributes rewards for any scarce commodity according to the rules of supply and demand. No one bothered to prove this empirically. No one has ever made a rigorous mathematical study that establishes a strict correlation between levels of IQ, market forces and annual salary. In America today professionals are vastly overpaid (e.g. Doctors) while the average laborer struggles with his rent and is literally broken on the rack by his health care expenses. In this respect, Communism is more fair, as was Socialist Europe.

    I say “was” Socialist Europe because today the push by our “elites” is to undermine wages for all workers, managers/engineers/scientists included. We have entered a new phase, the International bankers phase. Former bastions of equality, Denmark et al. are under siege by international capital to dismantle the welfare state by making it unaffordable for its citizens due to free rider effects caused by forced immigration, putting local workers in direct competition with workers halfway around the globe and so on, and so on. We all know the litany.

    I have not read “Das Capital” (though I have read other of Marx’s writings) but I understand it to have said that international finance is the ultimate stage of capitalism. If what has happened in the world in the last fifty years is any indication, this seems to be true. This dominance is (dialectically, to use Marxist terminology) driving the emergence of the new populism.

    If history is any indication, the situation will worsen, the chasm widen and a crisis of the world order will bring things to a grinding halt. Very intelligent and capable people will be driven into the socialist/communist camp. A reformer such as Roosevelt will be elected and he will trim the wings of finance. Nationalistic socialism will reassert itself and a rising standard of living will once again become more widespread. Once everyone is prosperous again, spokespersons will emerge who will lay claim to all the prosperity by attributing it to the miracle of the “free markets”, which will give rise to concentration of capital and so the process will repeat itself.

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
    , @edNels
  65. Hupa 说:

    Of course it’s not. Take a look at liberal vocabulary: equality, inclusion, non-discrimination. Then liberals are also strongly anti-christian. This is communism, but they’re trying to achieve it through different means. While bolsheviks went for a strong, definite push, the neo-communists went for the trench warfare with slow, gradual progress

  66. Mimo 说:

    Capitalism is the natural tendency of people to trade with each other, This has nothing to do with with any flawed theoretical framework which can necessarily only be imposed by force on a society. And this compulsion achieves what? The natural state of humanity is poverty. All formal political systems of which Marxism is one, have shown mediocre to zero and even negative (given time) propensity (Venezuela) for alleviating this misery as indeed the Chinese have latterly admitted, in their actions at least. Along with other instances. hundreds of millions of Chinese have joined the middle classes in the past 20 years, an achievement met by leaving individuals pretty much free to make micro decisions to benefit themselves by benefiting others with whom they trade in free exchange. Rather like Molière’s M. Jourdain, who discovered he’d been speaking in prose without knowing it all his life, humans are also natural capitalists in goods and services without the benefit of coercion or theory.

    • 回复: @jacques sheete
  67. Recent events in Spain, Britain, Ukraine, Turkey and the Visegrad countries indicate that Fascism is alive and well, too.

  68. E 说:

    If communism is not quite as dead as the Third Reich, it is probably because it has not been conclusively defeated in battle in the same way. In the places where it WAS defeated in battle (and which some think helped precipitate its collapse), this was done not by capitalism but by religious extremism (Islamic takfirism, to be precise). This leads me to think that when the time comes, if there’s a similar coup among the “capitalist” elites, people won’t rush to fight for the capitalist ideology any more than they did for the communist system (except for a few thousand Russian parliament supporters in 1993).

    I guess it’s possible that elements of communism will be part of whatever comes next. You already see related ideas being proposed under different names such as “universal basic income”. In Russia itself, about two-thirds of the economy is back to being state-owned, whereas the number was around one-third a decade or so ago, around half of the public prefer central planning, and they’re talking about re-introducing the 5-year plans…

    But I think you’re putting too much focus on “how rich the theory is”. That’s also true of Neoplatonism, and where is that today? Will anyone read it, and will they be willing to fight for it? For the moment, “communism” retains has the aura of a “loser ideology” defeated by capitalism and Islamic takfirism.

    I’m reminded of the lyrics of the English folk song “Dominion of the Sword”:

    — (I’m omitting a few period-specific verses)

    [更多]

    Lay by your pleading, law lies a-bleeding
    Burn all your studies down, and throw away your reading
    Small power the word has, and can afford us
    Not half so much privilege as the sword does

    It’ll the foster the master, plaster disaster
    This’ll make a servant quickly greater than the master
    Ventures, enters, seeks and it centres
    Ever the upper hand, never a dissenter

    Talks of small things, it sets up all things
    This’ll master money, though money masters all things
    It is not season to talk of reason
    Never call it loyal when the sword says treason

    Subtle deceiver, turns calm to fever
    See the pilgrim flay the unbeliever
    It’ll make a lay man, preach and to pray man
    It’ll make a Lord of him that was but a drayman

    Conquers the crown too, grave and the gown too
    Set you up a province, but it’ll pull it down too
    No gospel can guide it, no law decide it
    In church or state, till the sword sanctified it

    Take books, rent ’em, who can invent ’em?
    When that the sword says there’ll be no argumentum
    Blood that is spilt, sir, has gained all the guilt, sir
    Thus have you seen me run my sword up to the hilt, sir

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  69. 共产主义真的死了吗?

    Not as long as the International Banking Cartels are able to turn the concept to their own ends.

    All the really “fashionable” concepts are supported by the usual suspects to dupe the unwary for their own purposes.

    Please note that now the ruling money bags seem to be pushing their ideas of “independence.” I have little doubt that the plutocrats think they’ve devised ways of using that too.

    顺其自然。

  70. @ThreeCranes

    I agree with the bulk of what you say, but am wondering which Roosevelt you are referring to. Teddy was billed as a reformer, but was as phony in that as he was in most other things. Any reforms were used as clubs against his opponents, but most of it consisted of the usual publicity and self aggrandizing showtime stunts.

    FDR, on the other hand, probably wasn’t offered so much as a reformer, but as a populist. While preaching support for the people he was busy consolidating wealth and power into fewer and fewer hands. He successfully pulled off the populist schtick while reinforcing the ruling plut-oligarchy.

    Very intelligent and capable people will be driven into the socialist/communist camp.

    I agree that very intelligent people can, and will be seduced into just about any self satisfying Utopian daydream, and it’s well described in Dodd’s “School of Darkness” as well as in many other places.

    几乎在一夜之间,组织似乎不知从何而来。 青年共产主义同盟和工业民主联盟——一个起源于英国费边派组织的组织——出现在我们中间,一小群敬业的年轻人中。 这很快导致大批学生开始呼吁在校园见面的权利; 如果没有得到许可,他们就在外面碰面并大声抗议。

    I was very conscious of one thing: these organizations were not springing up spontaneously; some creating group was behind them. But it was true that the student answer was spontaneous and very immediate. Suddenly there had appeared on the indifferent campus a student group who seemed to care, to believe in things, to be willing to work and suffer for what they believed in and cared for. Before long they had infected the entire student body.

    -贝拉·多德(Bella Dodd),《黑暗学院》,第6章

    当时我无法像后来那样知道如何 有钱人利用共产主义运动 使工人服从他们的意愿。 因此,由于工人阶级敌人的残暴和野蛮,我很乐意接受关于保密是必要的陈词滥调。 很快我就知道,公开的成员并不是重要的共产党员。

    -第6章,黑暗学院,贝拉·多德(Bella Dodd)

    • 回复: @ThreeCranes
  71. America Is A Communist Country AIACC, we financed the soviet revolution and state from beginning to end even while fight wars with its proxies in europe vietnam and korea we were shipping entire factories technologies food etc.This is shocking and most will not beieve it unless they do all the research to find its well documented that we even gave them technology vital to their ICBm program during the cold war. So what was going on?

    As far as I can tell and the past few decades seem to increasingly confirm, we have had communists at the highest levels of american power from the beginning, and enough of them and perhaps even several presidents that we could simultaneously finance hardcore communism abroad while instituting a socialist model at home.

    It seems then that as the hard communism began to fail so spectacularly despite massive american assistance, what also happened was the side projects of the soft communism , projects designed to bring america to the point it could be flipped to hard communism, the projects of cultural marxism like empowering brown people women fags and other degenerates, anti religion anti male anti family anti white etc These projects were all working so well, yet hard communism was a dismal failure still among the hard working and reasonably affluent whites in america, that a consensus developed that the model should change from a hard communist of class to a socialist communism of race and other minorities, in short racial redistributionist, electing a new people of course by this time the communists here had begun the non white massive immigration initiative in 64.

    From this another perfect storm began, the engine of american communism capitalism began to integrate racial/victim cultural marxism, adopting counter cultural references in it adverts, developing countercultural products and memes in media and it began to see how lucrative non white immigration could be. It also began to realize that outsourcing could alo be lucrative giving it both cheaper labor than even immigration and simultaneously financing larger foreign markets for its goods. This lead to an unholy alliance between capital and communism, while its true that it was multinational corporations (rather than the govt who was just orchestrating the plan,signing the paperwork helping facilitate the deals) that were doing the massive technological transfers during the past this was something new. Since the hard communists within america realized that hard communism could never work because economics, but the racial redistributionism was working brilliantly it became possible for capitalists and communists to stop worry about the other and fully partner for mutual benefit understanding that they each needed the other in perpetuity.

    WE americans think of capitalism to be a right wing thing its not its a profit minded thing it cares not who runs a govt as long as it is allowed to operate it will pass along any percentage it must pay to operate to its customers, its also pretty culturally ecologically etc degenate. this served the commies well and they quickly ramped up the cap media to full american racial/victim communism, and both began the campaign for globalism to export the revolution of ComCap. One problem was europe had no negro slaves to use as a yeast to get the transition going although it was still suffering more from the transition from serf agriculture to industrialization it had been more receptive to hard communism t seemed as it recovered from that and the wars it would become as resistant as america to hardCom if something were not done, cultmarx was ramped up there as well and the colonialist meme was used in place of the slavery meme and massive immigration of useless brown mouths was instituted there as well.and the EU project was instituted.

    The only fly n the appointment of this new american style CapCom besides the people who are daily humiliated into submission and pacified with the eternal hope of fake democracy, is the former hard communists don’t want to accept a second or third tier position in the new communist model and are working for a russosinoislamic alternative or at least better terms. Ironically its the very present of all the useless brown mouths that has so weakened the Us/Euro CapComs to the point their hegemony is in doubt.

  72. @E

    Superb comments!

    If communism is not quite as dead as the Third Reich, it is probably because it has not been conclusively defeated in battle in the same way.

    And that was because the Reds had the backing of the more effective gang of big money boys.

    Never heard of that song before, but wish I had.

    This’ll master money, though money masters all things

    The unbreakable circle.

  73. @Mimo

    …humans are also natural capitalists in goods and services without the benefit of coercion or theory.

    I’m not trying to split hairs here, but I’d say that humans are also natural traders and negotiators in goods and services without the benefit of coercion or theory, while capitalism is a convenient tool toward those ends. As a tool it can be used for good or evil.

    I believe you are correct that coercion, while it often provides short term gain for a few, means long term pain for the many.

    If there’s a way or ways for our societal immune systems to deal with such situations when they become problems, I’d like to know what it or they would be.

  74. animalogic 说:
    @5371

    No, we need a world approximate to the world of “Roger Rabbit”. Now that would be “cool”.

  75. @Anatoly Karlin

    No you don’t need any education to refute Marxism, merely observing that everything it touches it turns to shit is more than sufficient.

    我想知道什么 turn to shit eventually.

    You can call it the JSist theory of everything. And in the ‘Merkin vernacular, in the end ain’t nobody knows JS.

    Ain’t dat de sheetz?

    结束。

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  76. I would read this as a version of the “don’t overthrow Putin, there’s worse behind him” argument, which tells us that the author sees the overthrow of Putin as a real possibility within the foreseeable future.

  77. @animalogic

    I agree that it’s one damned fine article. It’s apparent that the author is a true genius and well educated too, with an amazing genius/talent for writing.

    The author is a true asset to humanity.

  78. “It is not really surprising that the Americans, who have not defeated anybody or anything in a very long time, might be strongly inclined to adopt the notion of having won the Cold War and/or having defeated Communism. In a country where adult and presumably educated people can declare with a serious face that Obama is a Socialist (or even a Communist) such nonsense will very rarely be challenged.”

    What to say about this piece of ignorance? There is no subset of Americans with opinions about who won the Cold War that could populate a town in the U.S. bigger than Wapakoneta, Ohio. Which is why we got a fraud like Obama, a simpleton Marxist of the usual kind produced by American universities. Was Obama a communist? The response from most Americans was, “who cares?”

  79. @jacques sheete

    Marx pretended that he was offering something new to the world of ideas with his concept of “dialectical materialism”, which he, of course, admitted to have adapted from Hegel, having, in his own words, merely stood Hegel’s notion upright. Whereas Hegel thought that Ideas led and matter followed (cousin to Plato), Marx was a “materialist” and believed that economic technology and more specifically, one’s class dictated one’s consciousness (a popular meme with the Left today).

    Lao Tzu anticipated both by a couple thousand years with his familiar Yin/Yang theory.

    What Taoism and Hegel say is that whenever anyone proposes anything then he will generate opposition. The act of positing itself engenders resistance. To move is to meet resistance. Newton said something like this too.

    So, for example, in astrology, Ares is pure energy. It is upwards striving, reaching for the light. The first sign of the zodiacal calendar starting on Spring equinox when seeds begin to sprout, its symbol is the ram’s horn shape, basically a fountain. It is unbridled enthusiasm, growth, striving upwards. Appropriately enough, it is a fire sign.

    But any movement generates opposition. The next sign is Taurus. Taurus is an Earth sign. Solidity. Resistance. Unyielding.

    What happens when an irresistible force meets an unmovable object? The next sign is Gemini, the twins, a balance. A dynamic balance though, pulsing energy like a heartbeat or the escapement of a spring powered clock. Only this kind of measured effort can accomplish real work. Ares is energy unchained. Taurus is solidity. Their synthesis in Gemini is a rhythmic dynamism, diastole and systole, the cycle of work and repose.

    This is the true astrology. It is a calendar of experience based on the ancient agricultural rhythms of living plants and animals. There are four dancing triads that make up the twelve months of the year. The ancients had already grasped the concept of the dialectic. Hegel and Marx resurrected it and gave it a modern imprimatur.

  80. Desert Fox 说:

    As long as there is Zionism there is communism , Zionists created communism and were the Bolsheviks and are the destroyers of civilizations and are the worshipers of SATAN.

    • 哈哈: soll
  81. TG 说:

    “Capitalism is a system of man exploiting his fellow man, whereas communism is just the reverse!”

    Certainly an interesting and intelligent post. I would suggest however, that political systems are less important than commonly thought.

    Capitalism can produce societies that are prosperous – such as modern Germany or Switzerland – and also societies so poor that daily life resembles a Stalinist slave labor camp more than anything else – India and Bangladesh are just two examples.

    What, you say that India is ‘socialist?’ Work like a dog for 50 cents an hour or you starve? Where multinationals drool over all that profitable cheap labor? Where everything is for sale to the highest bidder, including the law? Sounds like a capitalist utopia to me. And in India alone there are 500 million people who are chronically malnourished, their physical standard of living inferior to late Medieval England.

    When there are 100 desperate hungry people competing for every job, wages will be crushed to the most miserable subsistence. When there are four business desperate for every worker, wages will be bid high and there will be widespread prosperity. Supply and demand, people, and capitalism is absolutely neutral about whether wages will be high or low.

    Almost any political system can be made to work, more or less, if the elites are not completely corrupt and feel some connection to the society as a whole. And there is no system of checks and balances that cannot be corrupted if the elites don’t care and ignore them. And finally, no system can create prosperity when there is no open frontier and everyone has six kids a pop, because no political system can over-ride the dictates of physical reality.

    • 回复: @ThreeCranes
  82. anarchyst 说:

    Environmentalism has been the method used to impose communist principles on western society–especially in the USA.
    环保主义者并不满足于推广清洁的水、空气和土地,而是一心想要控制人类行为,是的,他们为大部分人类推广灭绝计划,因为这些“受膏”类型认为人类是瘟疫(除了他们自己) “以任何必要的方式”减少人口。
    Environmentalists HATE the God-given concept of private property and have imposed government-backed and enforced “land use controls” on private property owners without compensation–clearly an unconstitutional “taking” of private property. If environmentalists want to control land use, let them purchase it themselves–not by government force. Today, the only method of negating government-imposed land use restrictions is “shoot, shovel, and shut up”.
    If environmentalists had their way, the earth’s human population would be reduced by approximately 90%, with the remainder to (be forced) to live in cities, in soviet-style high rise apartments, utilizing bicycles, buses and trains for transportation. The use of automobiles and access to “pristine wilderness (rural) areas” would be off-limits to us mere mortals, and would only be available for these “anointed” environmentalists.
    The “endangered species act” is another abuse of environmentalism. Species are always changing, to adapt to their environments–“survival if the fittest”. In fact, the hoopla over the “spotted owl” (that placed much northwest timber land “off-limits” to logging) turned out to be nothing but scientific misconduct and arrogance. There are virtually identical species in other parts of the northwest.
    More scientific malpractice occurred when government biologists attempted to “plant” lynx fur in certain areas to provide an excuse for making those areas “off-limits” for logging or development. Fortunately, these “scientists” were caught–however, no punishment was given.
    简而言之,今天的环保主义就是共产主义……就像西瓜……外面是“绿色”,里面是“红色”(共产主义)……

  83. @jacques sheete

    I’d like to know what doesn’t turn to shit eventually.

    Shit does not turn to shit. Shit turns to fertilizer.

    😉

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  84. Wally 说:
    @yeah

    “China would not be what it is today without its history of communism”

    Certainly true, but that doesn’t speak well for communism.

    After all, ‘what China is today’ is an utter rejection of their communist history.

    • 回复: @Vidi
    , @Joe Wong
  85. Wally 说: • 您的网站
    @Anatoly Karlin

    “No you don’t need any education to refute Marxism, merely observing that everything it touches it turns to shit is more than sufficient.”

    Well said. The landscape of history is littered with example after example.

    有有 决不要 been a more historically unsuccessful system of governance.

    Anatoly, we finally agree on something.

    干杯。

  86. han9 说:

    I am most surprised by what I read here about the qualification of doctors and engineers from the former Soviet Union. Admitted I am not from any former SU country but from one former Eastern Bloc.

    I have a few relatives who are medical doctors and while during ‘communism’ the opportunity to visit their professional colleagues in the west was limited it is not like there was none at all.

    他们对西方人尤其是普通从业者的印象是,这时光丝毫不讨好。 这些西方“医生”大多是一无所知,他们在实践某种可以称为症状治疗药的东西-换句话说,其想法是治疗症状,向个人或其医疗保险提供者收费并转移至下一位患者。 仅当对齐持续存在或病情严重时才将患者送往专科医生或医院。 许多东方医生也感到震惊(至少在一开始),他们的西方主人公开承认他们“我们在这里对病人收费”的态度是开放的,因为在东方,这是向医学生宣扬了他们的本意。这样做对整个社会以及个人和类似崇高的事物是一项伟大的服务。

    在医院也是如此。 甚至专家有时也会遇到不幸,而不是遇到明显的情况,但产生了很大的不同,实际上所有的区别在于专家诊断设备的可用性和大量药物。

    东欧的医生经常只有他的知识,经验和诸如听诊器之类的知识来诊断病人,并且不得不用可用的任何东西来治疗该人,而西方医生通常没有多少拥有诊断设备和各种药物的东西。在东方几乎是很少的。 由此产生的治疗质量差异是显而易见的。

    In addition the conditions in hospitals eastern vs. western hospital were like earth and heaven. Comfortable beds, much better food, even ventilation / air conditioning in the west was better.

    最终结果是,任何有选择权的人显然都会选择一家西方医院而不是一家东方医院,但这与东方医生与西方医生的能力关系不大。

    当然,以上内容并不排除实际上有一些非常称职的西方医生与来自东部的无能的专业医生有个人的经验。

    It was a very similar with engineers. Usually academic standards in eastern educational institutions were high. A lot of emphasis was put on theoretical knowledge, the ability to calculate and such. Last but not least the exams were most of the time rigorous.

    I beg to opine that sitting side by side the holder of an engineering degree from the east and from the west side by side, give them pencils, sheets of paper and a complex equation to solve the former would probably solve it faster than the latter.

    But again other things made all the difference. A western engineer would have computers and computer assisted design tools which most of his eastern counterparts could only dream about for such technology was only available at higher governmental, scientific or military institutions (if at all).

    Thus while let us five eastern engineers would spend days making calculations and then even more time preparing a design at the drawing boards a western engineer would singlehanded get the job done in a shorter time.

    Now why it was so, why the westerners had all those tools which the easterners did not have is a separate issue to discuss at another time (in fact some have already given partial explanations in other comments).

    The bottom line is that on a one on one basis most eastern MDs or engineers would probably be equally in some case even better educated than their western counterparts.

  87. Engineer 说:

    More than a few Americans who lived through the cold war (and their offspring) were/are brainwashed into believing capitalism is basically a divine creation that is beyond criticism even as global capitalism is tearing the country apart. Communism/socialism/Marxism, of course, are the ultimate evil and the work of Satan even though most Americans have no clue what these concepts actually entail. And no people on Earth are more irrational and paranoid about “communism” than Americans.

    Hence you get idiots on Medicare railing against single payer healthcare, alt-righters calling Obama a “socialist” (lol) and various GOP geniuses and Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh etc. denouncing Canada as “socialist” (lol) because it has a single payer universal healthcare system.

    It’s almost painful hearing people “criticize” something they know nothing about. It is much easier to go into Pavlovian mode and denounce anyone who dares call out capitalism’s unsavory and regressive aspects as a “commie” “pinko” or a “socialist” than breaking the chains of indoctrination and formulating an argument based on facts and reality.

    Funny how many folks think the government, media and the education system lie about everything…except communism. Reagan, especially, could never tell a lie about the commies and their Evil Empire in the east.

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @utu
  88. britishbrainsize [AKA "bririshbrainsize1325cc"] 说:
    @renfro

    A race whose brains are more than a third smaller cannot teach anything to a race whose brains are a more than a third larger, the inferior degenerate pleasure loving british race didnt teach the chinese anything,

    • 回复: @britishbrainsize
  89. @Andrei Martyanov

    I had exactly same thought about high level of education and the rest. We should not forget that we are dealing with human nature which is extremely faulty and considering numbers of us it is mind boggling how to achieve sort of decent conditions for preferably all. I find it disturbing that in 21st century there is so many and increasing numbers of poor and needy. Regarding communism end in ussr after Stalin death. I think dialectic dropped from equation. And lack of outstanding personalities who could make further development in theory which would then get translated into practise was obvious. You mentioned Suslov not once. This is what we had. We calcified and pressure was growing. Anyway, I am strong believer in far more communal future and if anything in my opinion capitalism is utopia. How cannot be utopia anythi g that states that personal greed will be good for society as a whole, trickle down and that limited planet can be used for unlimited growth. Here we come to space exploration and development and considering deep capitalism flaws I see it is as unlikely we can do it under current system. It is do or die for humanity.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  90. The main problem with this article and the comments is that it discusses differences in “isms” but not differences in people. People are not fungible.

    I now define the “Left” as collectivists and the “Right” as individualists. These two basic personality traits are not very compatible. Unfortunately, there is no hard definition of this because most people have some combination of both traits.

    I believe that the USA was as successful as it was because a large population of high functioning individualists were pretty much left alone to conduct business via a meritocracy. I refer to the independent, self-reliant pioneers that settled this country. These people thrived on room to grow, natural resources, and the ability of the cream to rise. Contrast this to the indigenous population that was highly collectivist.

    This is why I have become a White Nationalist. People develop cultures as a means of survival, based upon their history, character and environment. We are not the same even within races. It would be best if we could live in a culture best suited to our nature. Forcing incompatible people to live together is a very bad idea.

    • 回复: @Authenticjazzman
  91. @another fred

    Shit does not turn to shit. Shit turns to fertilizer.

    然后呢?

    😉

    • 回复: @another fred
    , @Johnny Rico
  92. Wally 说:
    @Engineer

    Yet ‘single payer’ IS socialist / communist, simple as that.

    I do agree, however, that there are too many who are sucking at the socialist / communist tit and then hypocritically condem what they obviously use.

    谢谢。

    • 回复: @Anon
  93. @Priss Factor

    ” Stressing that the ( communist) elites must feel a strong kinship with the masses”

    哈哈哈哈哈

    Yeah strong kinship with the masses expressed through their covert ownership of vacation houses, stuffed with western merchandise, and other such perversities as F Castro’s Alfa Romeo collection and his private roads, which were on display in one of the photo mags of the sixties, and then suddenly disappeared after the honchos realized that they made a mistake in publishing such ” conterrevolutionary” information.

    There never, ever, was any humanitarian, or altrustic motivations behind the drivers of the revolutions, they were ALL in it for the power and oppression of those they feared : “The masses”

    I visited several east-block countries long before the fall of the wall and I will never forget the morgue-like atmosphere of the cities and the dead eyes of the downtrodden, dispaired populations.

    正宗爵士乐手“Mensa”自 1973 年起获得资格,空降训练有素的美国陆军兽医和职业爵士乐艺术家。

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  94. utu 说:
    @Engineer

    Hence you get idiots on Medicare railing against single payer healthcare, alt-righters calling Obama a “socialist” (lol) and various GOP geniuses and Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh etc. denouncing Canada as “socialist” (lol) because it has a single payer universal healthcare system.

    The idiots do it because they got conditioned so it is not really spontaneous. I suspect big money is poured into the conditioning projects to keep idiots remain idiots. All those Alex Joneses, Rush Limbaughs and the whole libertarian project of idiotification of young American males are there for a good reason.

  95. @Mark Presco

    ” I define the ” Left” as collectivists and the “Right” as individualists”

    Not off the mark, however I define the “Left” as : Dummköpfe” , dummies who wouldn’t be Leftists if they were not such idiots.

    There is no such animal as an “Intelligent” Leftist, and all of the blather about the edumacation level of Leftists is simply that : Blather. They, Leftists, are not truely educated or intelligent, by any stretch of the imagination, as they do not EVER understand the issues and constellations within which they are delving.

    1973年以来一直是Authenticjazzman“ Mensa”的资格,经过机师培训的美国陆军兽医,并且是专业爵士艺术家。

    • 回复: @Vidi
  96. britishbrainsize [又名“britishbrainsize1325cc”] 说:
    @britishbrainsize

    Correction british brains size is one tenth or much smaller than asians which is a huge difference in size.

  97. Many posters from Western countries and USA have illusion of viability of their states systems because ultimate inviability of their system is being plastered over by their ability to parasitically siphon resources from around the globe through financial system and other tricks at their disposal. Even this worked worse and worse as exponentially accumulating debt testifies. Once shit hits the fan all illusions will go. I liked one poster mentioned dead eyes of people from eastern blog. In reality we can see those dead eyes all around here in the West. Hence unhealthy obsession with zombies.

    • 回复: @Kiza
  98. @jacques sheete

    然后呢?

    洗涤,漂洗,重复。

    But I WIN the debate because fertilizer does not turn directly to shit, there are intermediate steps involved.

    所以那里。

    • 回复: @another fred
  99. @jacques sheete

    Flowers. Let a hundred flowers blossom…oops, awkward.

  100. edNels 说:
    @ThreeCranes

    Real good comment, could be the thesis of an article.

    Agree with the points made, but not the predictions for another cyclical repeat of history.

    If history is any indication, the situation will worsen, the chasm widen and a crisis of the world order will bring things to a grinding halt. Very intelligent and capable people will be driven into the socialist/communist camp

    I don’t know what Fukyama meant by ”History is Dead’, but somethings have changed in the last 100plus years that make it unlikely that meaningful populist reforms will ever again make any headway against consolidated capital. IE: Automated mass warfare and now ubiquitous surveillance state and developing Artificial Intelligence and a host of other niceties from applied psych and pharma and information/perception management through cognitive dissonance 和...herding techniques will pretty much put the cap on it.

    I mean sad to say, but the only possible way mankind will ever be free again, after this coming distopia, will be the failure of the main plan, through human limitation as has always occurred in repeated boom and bust, or 崩溃. But now bringing in Artificial Intelligence, mechanized thought and volitional capabilities beyond what elites own in their mediocre biological selves, and some of the heavy thinkers are nervous about how that may play out, (or be a wild card.)

    • 回复: @ThreeCranes
  101. @another fred

    Yeah, I know, you said eventually. But, that’s still just a phase not a destiny

    See: 3:53

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf_Y4MbUCLY

  102. @edNels

    Thanks for your insightful reply. Offhand, I’d say your predictions seem spot on. Hmmmm

  103. RobinG 说:
    @Anonymous

    Is ‘compulsory acquisition’ the equivalent of ’eminent domain’ in the US?

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  104. That which was true in Communism will live on in the forms of the National Socialisms of the future.

    After giving the matter much thought, it seems to me that the following statement is true. Communism retains a certain appeal and vitality because it is one of the few available (albeit cryptic) expressions of Tradition, Nationalism, an religiousity possible under a capitalist system.

    “Communism-as-crypto-Traditionalism” seems to me self-evidently true and is something I’ve believed all of my life. I’ve struggled to find the correct formulation of that idea, but I think this sums it up adequately.

  105. @TG

    “Almost any political system can be made to work, more or less, if the elites are not completely corrupt and feel some connection to the society as a whole. And there is no system of checks and balances that cannot be corrupted if the elites don’t care and ignore them.”

    While many would reactively disagree because they champion this or that favorite, I believe history has shown that you’re correct.

  106. Vidi 说:
    @Wally

    “China would not be what it is today without its history of communism”

    Certainly true, but that doesn’t speak well for communism.
    After all, ‘what China is today’ is an utter rejection of their communist history.

    Very not true. China’s state-owned enterprises still predominate: they’re over 50% of the economy; they’re over 70%, according to some economists. I would say the country is still socialist and communist.

    When China said they would be implementing “socialism with Chinese characteristics”, there was much laughter in the West. But after decades of fast, sustained growth, I doubt that anyone is laughing anymore.

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  107. Excal 说:

    It is not really surprising that the Americans, who have not defeated anybody or anything in a very long time …

    They are really quite close to finishing themselves off, though.

    • 哈哈: FB
  108. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Wally

    How’s that social security check working out for you?

    • 回复: @Wally
  109. Vidi 说:
    @Authenticjazzman

    There is no such animal as an “Intelligent” Leftist

    Zhou Enlai, the former premier of China, would demolish you intellectually in spite of your alleged Mensa qualifications. Xi Jinping would probably do the same with ease.

  110. Excal 说:

    Some of those who find this essay important and interesting, as I do, may also be interested in a very recent essay by Edward Feser, posted to his blog on October 10, called “Liberty, Equality, Fraternity”.

    Both essays provide clear views of the present situation of the world, from different perspectives.

  111. FB 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    ‘…No you don’t need any education to refute Marxism, merely observing that everything it touches it turns to shit is more than sufficient…’

    And there is the definitive answer from the Philistine camp of humanity…

    In fact, why even bother with education at all…indoctrination seems to work well enough…

  112. Joe Hide 说:

    An oddly written article. Arguing one side, then the other.. over and over, and over and over. I read it all carefully but really didn’t learn anything. Is that because I am uneducated, ignorant, low intelligence, … OR … is there some other reason?

    • 回复: @Dube
  113. Art 说:

    But when the grand edifice of Capitalism finally comes tumbling down and its victims rediscover the difference between propaganda and education – then a credible modern challenge to the Communist ideology will possibly arise. But for the time being and the foreseeable future Communism will remain not only alive, but also quite undefeated.

    We need to work together – but how?

    Communist collective dictation of life is a cruel joke – on the other hand neighborly community cooperation has worked for millennia. Communism is another false uncaring top-down forced collective.

    Both late stage Capitalism and Communism end up with the deep state in control of social life, removed from the concerns of local folks.

    Human organization is 100% all about ownership – who owns what, is the difference between freedom and oppression – cooperation and dictatorship – community and coercive state.

    When Wall Street owns Main Street, local communities stop working for local people – the people become disassociated from each other. The problem is that decisions about the future are made by far away uncaring money centers. The decisions are dictated by money concerns, NOT the needs of the local people. Lives are shredded with the click of a mouse. Ownership must come back to communities.

    Local community ownership by local folks is the future of humanity – it is the goal of society for local folks to own the productive capacity and services they need to sustain their lives. They should have a shared legal ownership of their place of business, banks, stores, utilities, hospitals, and governments.

    Voting one’s ownership share of local organizations is the safest sustainable configuration for humanity.

    思考和平-艺术

  114. tomasrose 说:
    @Thirdeye

    ” Communist atheism lasted only until late 1941 when Stalin, who had been trained as an Orthodox priest, revived Holy Russia as a national ideology. Best indications are that his re-embrace of Orthodox Christianity was genuine.”
    Ridiculous. Stalin temporarily embraced Orthodoxy for the purpose of rousing the populace against the German assault. The other appeals to patriotism were not working.

  115. Art 说:

    Please – what is wrong with us?

    We cannot put to bed the Civil War – WWII – and now Communism!

    今天怎么样?

    Good god – Trump is playing nuclear games with Iran and NKorea – if there was to be a war, we could not win either, let alone both of them — this is crazy!

    思考和平-艺术

    p.s. Really – how can nuking NKorea into obliteration be a win?

    p.s. This is total stupid.

  116. Who isn’t bored after one paragraph?

    Without markets there are no price signals and efficient use of resources to meet human needs is impossible.

    That’s elementary logic, just look at the paradise in Venezuela if you want a current demonstration.

    You can’t even wipe your ass in Venezuela.

  117. Wally 说:
    @Vidi

    “Very not true. China’s state-owned enterprises still predominate: they’re over 50% of the economy; they’re over 70%, according to some economists. I would say the country is still socialist and communist.
    When China said they would be implementing “socialism with Chinese characteristics”, there was much laughter in the West. But after decades of fast, sustained growth, I doubt that anyone is laughing anymore.”

    So IOW, according to you, ca. 30-50% of the economy has been pulled out of the grasp of the communists.
    谢谢你。

    Like I said, ‘a Chinese rejection of their communist past’ … where 100% of everything was in communist hands.

    What you’re really trying to talk about is a Chinese fascist economy, look it up.

    clue: Not the same as communist.

    再见。

    • 回复: @Anon
    , @Vidi
    , @Vidi
  118. FB 说:
    @peterAUS

    Why do I find it hard to believe anything you claim to be or have done…?

    Someone who brags about being in Mensa is probably a start…?

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  119. @Anon

    The abolitionism of private property was postulated as a historical process and not a political decision; the point being made is that it had no long term future and was not an expression of our species being, but a weight upon our necks. Private property in the means of production, is not the same as various forms of personal property, there is an important distinction there which is often missed.

    Private property has almost completely been abolished by capital accumulation, not Marxism.

    Ironically, it has been financial capital that abolished it not to free humanity, but further enslave it. In such circumstances a revival of small capital; individually or collectively held private property in the means of production as solution to dissolving large financially based corporatism.

    Marxism if you actually try to understand it is all about human freedom, is anti-utopian and liberation, it is essentially a method of history that in understanding historical processes seeks to direct them to the benefit of humanity.

    What you are opposed to is the rise of managerialism, which Stalin was an excellent representative, for that is a social class of enslavers that were produced by the abolition of private property that began in the 1860s and took off in the 1880s.

    To truly oppose something, which the Saker is arguing, you must know the strongest parts, from my perspective anti-c0mmunism strongest parts are not intellectual, but thuggery under safe havens.

    Conservatives and right reaction are not the same thing there is common ground on some vital things, imperialism, corporatism and managerialism hurt us all. The Saker was not wasting his words, and there has been an intellectual shift towards Marxism (without a party organisation) of which I would count myself.

  120. Communism will not be dead until the most evil, oxymoronic belief – universal brotherhood – is killed. Communism wants the workers of the world to unite, the RCC wants everyone in its church to follow the pope (regardless of his race). These beliefs are destroying the West and until people start realizing that world history can be summed up in 2 words: IQ which leads to racial differences which leads to the separation of low IQ people from the higher IQ people (no blacks/Asians in the West) – we will continue to have many problems.

    Thousands of years ago people in the Middle East tried to build a tower to reach God. People spoke the same language so God confused their languages and scattered them about the world. Ever since then, people (through religion, Freemasonry, worldwide political movements, i.e., Communism) have tried to unite humanity. All that has happened is constant war and constant loss of IQ. The ancient Egyptians (Caucasians) and ancient Indians (Aryan) were destroyed by mixing with blacks/Asians.

    These universal beliefs must be destroyed and a belief system based on the most important, objective truth, IQ, must be developed.

  121. @Sergey Krieger

    You have one thing right, namely the salient importance of (flawed, self-centred) human nature. But I remember an interpreter in the early 80s who thought that Western visitors were taught to pretend they had family cars with special disbelief for those who said they had one for each adult member of the family. How many ways that testified to the backwardness and isularity of the USSR! You did implicitly agree with the claim about cars made contra Karlin).

    Where do you find the increasing numbers of poor and needy? Set aside African countries which continue with absurdly high total fertility, whete in the world which has adopted the possibilities for use of capital and skills in globalised markets do you find these increasing numbers of poor (especially after allowing for population growth)? Paradoxically America and Venezuela may be amongst the rare examples. OK fertility is a problem everywhere including KSA.

    • 回复: @Sergey Krieger
  122. Sometimes The Saker is interesting and thought provoking but to appear to be declaiming de haut en bas as the supremely clear eyed logical person really won’t wash when he calls Proudhon’s “from each according to his ability, to each according to his work” a *”slightly”* different version to Marx’s “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”. It disqualifies him from any right to be taken seriously.

  123. @RobinG

    I think it is. But Shortchanged left out an important fact about Australian compulsory acquisitions. The federal government is constrained by the wording of the constitutional power to acquire property “on just terms”. That even led to a Labor government’s nationalisation of the banks oin the 40s being overturned in court.

    The states, i.e. ex-19th-century-self-governing-colonies, no doubt are patchy on the matter of just terms. A NSW Labor government took freeholders rights to the (unmined) minerals under their land without compensation but other states started with the Crown owning all such minerals anyway. There is generally the possibility of getting 10 per cent on top of market value as compensation for inconvenience. I’m not so sure about the position where government delays and previous announcements have adversely affected the market value. But there would often be a politically dangerous backlash as so many compulsory acquisitions have to affect many people, when, for example, a new freeway is to be built.

  124. peterAUS 说:
    @FB

    Why do I find it hard to believe anything you claim to be or have done…?

    Attention to detail, among other things, perhaps?

    As

    Someone who brags about being in Mensa is probably a start…?

    are you sure you haven’t mistaken me for somebody else here?
    Hint: word “Jazz”.

  125. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Wally

    You have no idea what you’re talking about. China isn’t even remotely fascist. It doesn’t operate according to a corporatist economy, it discourages nationalism, it is not centered around a single dictator, etc. Even under Mao, private industry was never completely abolished. You really shouldn’t comment on things about which you know nothing.

  126. @Wizard of Oz

    We talk different languages. I knew there were some 300 million cars in USA back in 70’s. So what. So I need to start follow every idiocy by everyone just to please him. Who need this many cars. Really. You are talking about things you have no clue about. I mean calling Soviet industry backward because it was not turning 10 million cars annually. May be it was not the goal. I am right not only about human nature but about te rest of my post. I will add one more thing. Without extremely timely dismantling of the Soviet union by treasonous elites USA would get into existential crisis much earlier. Resources from former eastern block especially from ussr bought time to pretend that usa is prospering. First, numbers of poor and needy are on the rise in USA. Did I miss something?

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
    , @utu
    , @Johnny Rico
  127. Wally 说: • 您的网站

    Our resident low IQ, unhinged Zionist is back talking about things that he simply makes up.
    But then we can expect no better, he’s a veritable Harvey Weinstein.

    Now this is China today, no “dictator’ required:

    http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html

    Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism [China] sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism [China] did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority [Chinese] conceived it.
    Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism [China] left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism [China] controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically.

    Anon & his “Holocau\$t Industry” in court:

    “请尊敬,确实有数以百万计的遗骸被埋在巨大的万人坑中,我们知道这些万人坑在哪里,但是,但是,嗯,我们无法向法院展示。 您必须相信我们,我们是犹太复国主义者。

  128. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @Anatoly Karlin

    “数量本身就是质量”https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Joseph_Stalin#Quantity_is_quality seems to generally be the rallying cry and leitmotif of Communism.

    The is an interesting recent article from the 纽约时报:

    欺诈丑闻削弱了中国成为科学超级大国的梦想

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/13/world/asia/china-science-fraud-scandals.html

    [As in the West, career advancement can often seem to be based more on the quantity of research papers published rather than the quality. However, in China, scientists there say, this obsession with numerical goal posts can reach extremes. Compounding the problem, they say, is the fact that Chinese universities and research institutes suffer from a lack of oversight, and mete out weak punishments for those who are caught cheating. ]
    [...]
    [Some scientists say China’s overemphasis on numerical measures of success can be seen in its almost single-minded focus on the Science Citation Index, or S.C.I. This index is used to assign an “impact factor” score to scientific journals, which ranks their importance in part by counting how many times their articles are cited in other papers.]
    [...]
    [“Everything revolves around the S.C.I.,” said Chen Li, a professor in the medical school at Fudan University in Shanghai. He and other scientists compared Chinese academia’s obsession with this numerical index to the government’s fixation on gross domestic product as a measure of economic success.]

    https://www.unz.com/suggestion/suggestion-thread-for-forum-articles/#comment-2044582 (Comment is still in moderation)

    This is why I am also skeptical, in particular, of IQ test scores/results coming out of China:

    来源: https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2017/09/05/worldwide-iq-estimates-based-on-education-data/

    This is also interesting in this context:

    So why are we so into algebra? Baker points out that many of today’s math requirements are relics of the Cold War. In 1950, only 25 percent of students in the U.S. were taking algebra. The Soviet Union, by contrast, was churning out mathematicians, partially because compared to lab sciences, teaching math is cheap–pen and paper are the only required materials. And so, seeing the influx of young mathematicians in Russia, Congress passed 1958′s National Defense Education Act, re-upping the American math curriculum requirementshttps://www.unz.com/freed/gigo-and-the-intelligence-of-countries-disordered-thoughts/#comment-1914253

    • 回复: @FKA Max
  129. Joe Wong 说:
    @Anonymous

    It is called American Exceptionalism, American’s words must be taken as given truth, only the American can invent and only the American can succeed, or the USA owns the world, therefore whatever USA does is necessary with the best intention including bombing and killing on the fabricated phantom WMD allegation.

  130. @Sergey Krieger

    You take the easy rhetorical path of not quite answering the points you were purporting to answer and making some up that you chose to answer.

    • 回复: @Sergey Krieger
  131. utu 说:
    @Sergey Krieger

    I remember reading interview with Fidel Castro in mid eighties, I think, when he made the point that the western model cannot be applied in the whole world, that we can’t imagine in China each family having a car like in America. He was making perfect sense to me then. And now, what China is doing? Why they did not listen to Fidel?

    • 回复: @Sergey Krieger
  132. Seraphim 说:
    @utu

    You will be completely right if you remove the ‘perhaps’. The Doctors Plot had nothing to do with Stalin’s anti-semitic ‘paranoia’, but very much to do with the ‘Crimean Affair’*

    *Name used to refer to the closed antisemitic trial of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee (JAC) held in Moscow from May to July 1952. One of the pretexts may have been a memorandum presented in the summer of 1944 by members of the Committee to the Soviet leadership containing a proposal to create a Jewish Soviet republic in the Crimea (the Tatar population of which was exiled by Stalin by May 1944) on the territory of the former German republic of the Volga. Noting the successes of the Jewish national regions in the Crimea and in the Kerson region, the authors of the memorandum based their proposal on the lack of a geographical base of a significant part of the Jewish population of the Soviet Union and on the need to grant the Jews equality in governmental-legal terms with the other nationalities of the Soviet Union. They also expressed the hope that “the Jewish masses of all countries, in particular the United States would give substantial aid” to building up such a republic. Despite the rumors that some members of the Politburo of the Central Committee (Lazar Kaganovich and Vyacheslav Molotov) were favorably disposed toward the idea of the “Crimean Plan,” it was rejected in 1944.
    The proposals of the memorandum contained nothing radically new. Projects for establishing a Jewish republic in the southern Ukraine or in the Crimea had been suggested earlier. For example, in 1923 the social leader A. Bragin had proposed that one be established on the Black Sea coast from Bessarabia to Abkhaz with its capital in Odessa, while Yuri Larin supported, in opposition to the Birobidzhan plan, a Jewish autonomous area in the southern Crimean and Azov region centered in Kerch..
    At a secret trial the defendants were accused of espionage, anti-Soviet activity, and plotting the secession of the Crimea from the Soviet Union and establishing there a bourgeois Zionist republic which was supposed to become a base for American imperialism…
    A number of additional trials involving other Jewish cultural figures and employees of the JAC were soon thereafter linked to the charges in the Crimean Affair. The Crimean Affair was the culminating act in the total liquidation of Jewish cultural and social life in the Soviet Union. It was followed by the accusations of “cosmopolitanism,” which resulted in the dismissal of thousands of Jews in senior positions in almost all walks of Soviet life. It also served as a prelude to the antisemitic Doctor’s Plot (1952–53)”
    @http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/crim

  133. Joe Wong 说:
    @Wally

    Has it ever occurred to you that the communism was implemented wrongly in the past, and China is trying to implement communism the right way? Even it is possible that the capitalism is being implemented wrongly by the greedy 1%, and if the capitalism was implemented correctly, the inequality in the USA won’t happen, and all the Americans can have their American dream instead living the terror of gun violence, subprime scams, uncomfortable healthcare, insecure jobs, being hated by the world, etc.

    You should know that we are now living in a rapidly changing world…Peace, development, cooperation and mutual benefit have become the trend of our times. To keep up with the times, we cannot have ourselves physically living in the 21st century, but with a mindset belonging to the past, stalled in the old days of colonialism, and constrained by zero-sum Cold War mentality.

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @Authenticjazzman
  134. Jorge Videla [又名“ jorge videla(BGI志愿者)”] 说:

    is the average russian actually better off than he would have been had the CPSU remained in power?

    you know the conspiracy theory that the USSR faked its disintegration? once a chekist always a chekist.

  135. FKA Max 说: • 您的网站
    @FKA Max

    I didn’t perform a proper 质量 control inspection on my above comment; typo correction: *本篇* is an interesting recent article from the 纽约时报...

    Also, after I read this comment https://www.unz.com/tsaker/is-communism-really-dead/#comment-2044790 , I just thought about this again, and it is actually somewhat unfair of me to single out Communism as being the only ideology which generally prioritizes quantity over quality. Organized religions in general are even worse offenders in this regard: https://www.unz.com/article/the-reality-of-red-subversion/#comment-1699584

    我想,从技术上讲,共产主义也可以/应该被归类为有组织的宗教。

    放弃马克思主义–克里斯托弗·希钦斯


    Christopher Hitchens comparing his loss of philosophy of Marxism to someone losing their faith in religion. This comes from his book “God is Not Great” which I do not own the rights to.

  136. Vidi 说:
    @Wally

    So IOW, according to you, ca. 30-50% of the economy has been pulled out of the grasp of the communists.

    Only a minority of the economy is private now. That is definitely not “an utter rejection of their communist history”.

    Furthermore, the state-owned enterprises are very profitable, so in spite of carping from many Western critics China will continue to be socialist / communist.

    • 回复: @Wally
  137. Wally 说: • 您的网站
    @Joe Wong

    1. Has it ever occurred to you that the communism was implemented wrongly in the past, and China is trying to implement communism the right way? Even it is possible that the capitalism is being implemented wrongly by the greedy 1%, and if the capitalism was implemented correctly, the inequality in the USA won’t happen, and all the Americans can have their American dream instead living the terror of gun violence, subprime scams, uncomfortable healthcare, insecure jobs, being hated by the world, etc.

    2. You should know that we are now living in a rapidly changing world…Peace, development, cooperation and mutual benefit have become the trend of our times. To keep up with the times, we cannot have ourselves physically living in the 21st century, but with a mindset belonging to the past, stalled in the old days of colonialism, and constrained by zero-sum Cold War mentality.

    简述:

    1. The old ‘it was never tried excuse’.
    Given how many times communism has been tried & failed, there can no longer be any excuse.
    Capitalism is not being implemented correctly because Big Government has intervened for it’s own benefit.
    In fact, history reveals that the closer any system is to unmanipulated capitalism, the better served are the people.
    Indeed, getting Big Government out of the business sector benefits Americans.

    While the US is no doubt going off the rails, it is nonetheless the 最先进的 free market system available today. Witness the fact of foreign investments, foreign deposits.
    I dread what the future holds, however.

    The problems you speak of are a result of government interference in the market place, simple as that.

    2. Are you serious?
    Show me where “Peace, development, cooperation and mutual benefit have become the trend of our times”. Come on.
    The trend is for the makers to be assailed by the unproductive takers.
    But perhaps you think the UN, NGOs, etc. are really trying to help the world rather than lining their own pockets. If so, I can’t help you, you’re too far gone.

    Who said anything about “colonialism”, comrade? No college freshman false strawmen, please.
    Yes, I agree, a Cold war mentality & “defense spending” is harmful. But once again that is Big Government, not capitalism.

    Speaking of Big Government, here is where free speech is illegal, violators go to prison for Thought Crimes:
    https://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=1858

    干杯。

    • 回复: @Anon
  138. @jilles dykstra

    Sure, the population where increasingly frustrated about the lack of consumer goods, but the USSR wasn’t a democracy where the people voted to replace the government, and there was no bloody revolution, so the USSR must have fell for some other reason. The answer as to why the USSR collapsed was because, unlike the communist government in China, it lost control of the reform process it initiated in the 1980s. However, answering that question only begs another question – why did it lose control of the reform process?

    • 回复: @another fred
  139. @Mao Cheng Ji

    It is frightening to realize there are people like you around, eager to resume the mass slaughter of Christians. A bloody persecution can erupt at any minute.

    It is also discouraging to realize there are many people like you who – people who can be whipped into a murderous frenzy by propaganda, mostly from television.

    Finally, if you actually believe that Stalin didn’t persecute and kill Christians, especially Orthodox and Catholic priests, you will believe anything.

    • 回复: @Mao Cheng Ji
  140. @Wizard of Oz

    Which points? Poor and needy? I answered. What was Interesting, Soviet people did not believe about homeless in America. Could they imagine some 50 million on food stamps? Who needs 300 million cars if people live on the streets and cannot afford food? Trust me. Now, America is viewed very differently in Russia. Lessons learned and propaganda is not working.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  141. @utu

    I guess you should ask them. Do you think China is a land of milk and honey? I would have never agreed to live there. I did live there before…temporary.

    • 回复: @Daniel Chieh
  142. @Vidi

    This should sooner be described as “state capitalism.”

    Markets are no longer substantially suppressed, which is a more defining feature of Communist regimes than state ownership. State ownership is usually worse than private ownership (possible exception: Natural monopolities), but it’s not a critical handicap, and for that matter, there were periods in some Western countries when the “commanding heights” of the economy were state-owned.

    The extent to which China can be described as socialist is also questionable since its welfare state was traditionally extremely threadbare (this is slowly changing).

    • 回复: @Vidi
  143. @Joe Wong

    ” Has it every occured to you that the communism was implemented wrongly in the past”

    Yeah we are quite familiar with this worn out, tired excuse, this absurd justification for it’s failure, expressed by each new generation of communists :

    ” They were the wrong ones, and we are the right ones and we will get it right this time”

    How many more time do you guys want to try it “wrongly”, with it’s unavoidable murder and chaos, before you finally realize that it will never work, period.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro Jazz artisit.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  144. Kiza 说:
    @Giuseppe

    An interesting concept – moving to Russia. Let me share a few thoughts about it, my pros and cons list.

    To begin with, the current Russia is in predatory capitalism, not in socialism. But the Russian Orthodox Christianity is also more humane than the Western quasi-Christianity, aka the lukewarm opium for the masses. This means that the ordinary Russian people are much more Christian and humane than ordinary Western people: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/10/l-reichard-white/the-banksters-vs-my-babushka/. Move to Russia for its Christianity, not for its (past) communism.

    Furthermore, the average Russian is significantly better educated than the average Westerner, your mind would expand if you were exposed to the right intellectual micro-environment in Russia.

    Finally, since the West, that is the Anglo-Zionist empire, is slipping into totalitarianism and war, then things can only be better in Russia which has some clear ideas about its future (The New Silk Road). It is a bit like moving from a diseased society into a still healthy one.

    On the opposite side, against moving to Russia are:
    1) do you know the language
    2) how do you cope with foreign cultures
    3) are you expectations too high
    4) how do you cope with disappointments.

    I have also been thinking of leaving the sick West, but going to the more risky South America instead of Russia.

  145. Kiza 说:
    @Sergey Krieger

    What I find the funniest is that the Western zombies (i.e. the walking dead) always see others as the zombies, not realizing yet what they are. There are no mirrors in the West.

    • 回复: @Kiza
  146. Kiza 说:
    @Kiza

    And, BTW, I consider this character Karlin the best example of a Western walking dead. I just came to skipping anything yellow that this aggressive and brain dead character spews out. But he does have a like-minded/dead-minded [sic] audience.

  147. I found this article about Xi Jinping and recent Chinese history to be very interesting.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/Thoughts_Chairman_Xi

    To those interested in Chinese economics I recommend the works of Michael Pettis, who teaches at Beijing University.

    It is a complex subject.

    http://carnegieendowment.org/chinafinancialmarkets

  148. @unpc downunder

    However, answering that question only begs another question – why did it lose control of the reform process?

    Surely part of the “why” has to do with the length of time that China has had to meld its population into a nation compared to the recent history of the acquisitions of the Russian/USSR empire.

    I do understand that there is diversity in China and some tension with regions such as Tibet and Xinjiang, but that is nothing compared to the dog’s breakfast they were trying to lash together in the USSR.

    Probably the quality of leadership figured in the process.

  149. @Mao Cheng Ji

    You clearly have no idea what the term “”Observe” means. It means Marxism is self refuting because of its results. We see the same thing in so called mixed economies, which are also a mess and will eventually collapse, and for the same reasons.

  150. @yeah

    Red China is where it is because of the extent of its denial of Marxist orthodoxy. The government is now a garden variety Fascist regime. It will allow the gathering of wealth only so long as the gatherer toes the regime’s line, just as was the case in Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany.

  151. chris m 说:

    i got to take issue with
    “the Americans, who have not defeated anybody or anything in a very long time” hahaha

    it’s not the winning that counts;it’s the taking part (isnt that the motto of the Olympics?)

    yes. but they have destroyed numerous countries
    (Iraq on at least 3 occasions
    1990-1998 war,sanctions
    2003 war
    since 2003 more of the same)

  152. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Wally

    If it weren’t bad enough that the definition you linked to is a very bad definition of fascism, your attempt to shoehorn China into that bad definition is even worse.

    • 回复: @Wally
  153. “That Russia is an antagonist is now widely accepted, and it is trivially true that Moscow’s nuclear arsenal (with or without the help of China) could lay waste to the U.S. But outgunning us? Russia spends a fraction of what the U.S. spends on its military establishment (some 14 percent of what we spend, in fact) and so must pick and choose what weapons it will develop. The result is that the Russian Federation continues technological advances in some weapons systems, but lacks significant technological depth elsewhere. During its 2015 May Day military parade, Russia showed off its new state-of-the-art T-14 main battle tank, complete with a new-fangled APS (active protection system) designed to defeat anti-armor weapons. Onlookers ogled the tank, oohing and ahhing at its shiny exterior, its impressive armament. But then, just as it was about to exit Red Square it broke down—and had to be towed. Is Russia a threat? Sure, it’s a threat. But Russia has many of the same problems now that it had at the end of the Cold War. It ranks 53rd in per capita GDP—just behind Panama.”

    The Dark History of Fear, Inc.
    By MARK PERRY • October 6, 2017

    • 回复: @1RW
  154. Wally 说:
    @Anon

    You mean the SS I paid for, and then some.

    And how’s that mommy & daddy money you live off? LOL
    I can only imagine how that money was ‘made’.

    修正主义者只是使者,荒谬的“大屠杀”故事情节的荒谬可能性是传达的信息。

  155. Wally 说:
    @Anon

    A wussy girl Zionist gets hammered and her response is ‘it’s very bad’. LOL

    IOW, you have no rebuttal.

    AMon and his “Holocau\$t Industry” in court:
    “请尊敬,确实有数以百万计的遗骸被埋在巨大的万人坑中,我们知道这些万人坑在哪里,但是,但是,嗯,我们无法向法院展示。 您必须相信我们,我们是犹太复国主义者。

  156. Wally 说:
    @Vidi

    Well yes, someone 可以 比如说 China’ 30-50% private economy …. & growing is a “minority”. But so what? One doesn’t convert such a huge percentage without acknowledging the fact that the previous system, communism, was a bust, otherwise they would have stayed with it.

    The fact that the Chinese economy had until fairly recently been 100% communist controlled doesn’t matter to the willfully ignorant.

    Their ‘state owned enterprises very profitable’? Well duh, they have no competition.

    China is fascist economy, see my previous post.

    • 回复: @Anon
    , @Anon
    , @Vidi
  157. Schuey 说:

    Read the gulag archipelago. Nuff said.

  158. Ez 说:

    Communists and defenders of Communism should be killed whenever and wherever by any person able to do it and with as little ceremony as possible.

    • 回复: @EugeneGur
  159. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Wally

    Doesn’t matter that you paid for it. It’s a social insurance program — it’s socialism, and you’re participating in it, you hypocrite.

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @Avery
  160. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Wally

    I’m not going to bother explaining things to you any longer, since it’s clear you don’t ever care when you’re wrong.

    • 回复: @Wally
  161. @Bro Methylene

    It is frightening to realize there are people like you around, eager to resume the mass slaughter of Christians.

    You need to calm down a bit. What I said was that Orthodox priests were high-level members of the power structure, hated by the people. For that, many of them got killed, killed by ordinary people, which is what happens in a revolution.

    If you care so much about the functionaries of your particular branch of organized religion, the lesson you might want to learn from this historical episode is that they should avoid affixing themselves to unpopular power structures. Or, better: to 任何 power structures.

  162. It cannot be claimed that Capitalism beat Communism because True Capitalism has never been tried.

    • 回复: @EugeneGur
  163. Wally 说:
    @Anon

    Nope, I pay for it.
    You don’t like it, but then you are a Zionist, facts matter not to unhinged Zionists.
    Slapping you around is fun.

    修正主义者只是使者,荒谬的“大屠杀”故事情节的荒谬可能性是传达的信息。

    • 回复: @Anon
  164. Wally 说:
    @Anon

    打哈欠。

    You retreat yet again.

    “有些故事是真实的,从未发生过。”
    –埃利·威塞尔(Elie Wiesel)

    http://www.codoh.com

  165. Avery 说:
    @Anon

    Those people in their 70s and 80s who are collecting Social Security today used up what they contributed in their working years long time ago: their payments are being paid for by people who work today contributing to SS system.
    Similarly, those who will be collecting SS in a few years will at some point exhaust their contributions and be paid by the contributions of somebody else (younger) who is working.

    Also, Medicare for those above age 65 is federal socialized medicine.
    Whether you were working or not you get covered, i.e. somebody else’s taxes pay for your medical care.

    Both SS and Medicare serve a useful, maybe essential, purpose, but to deny they are a form of socialism is to deny reality.

    • 回复: @Wally
  166. @Sergey Krieger

    I knew there were some 300 million cars in USA back in 70′s. So what.

    So what? Well, for starters, you are wrong. Completely wrong. There were 111 million cars in 1970 in the United States and only 161 million by 1980.

    https://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/sites/rita.dot.gov.bts/files/publications/national_transportation_statistics/html/table_01_11.html

    So I need to start follow every idiocy by everyone just to please him.

    No. You just need to think more before you type.

    Who need this many cars. Really. You are talking about things you have no clue about.

    Awkward considering the above.

    May be it was not the goal.

    Oh. It definitely wasn’t the goal. Not in the 1970s. See, you are actually correct there – however you have no idea, you are unsure, you don’t actually know what you are talking about. That’s why you wrote “May be.”

    In the 1930s Stalin wanted to emulate the United States technologically and scientifically. By the 1970s the Soviet Union had far bigger problems.

    “The USSR’s main use for oil was for domestic purposes, Moscow always prizing independence from a hostile capitalist world. But Moscow needed that world too because Russia, which before the revolution had been the world’s greatest exporter of grain, had become by the late 1970s the world’s largest importer. In 1963 Khrushchev had spent a third of the country’s gold to buy grain. The collective agriculture forcibly imposed by Stalin was a failure. As the head of a collective farm once said to me: “.. . collective farming could have worked. It worked in Israel.. .. But it couldn’t be done by force and decree.” Storage and distribution were also significant problems, up to a third of a year’s crop lost to spillage and spoilage.”
    -pg。 106

    普京:他的垮台和俄罗斯即将崩溃
    理查德·洛里(Richard Lourie)(2017 年 XNUMX 月)

  167. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Wally

    Repeating yourself isn’t an argument, dummy.

    • 回复: @Wally
  168. EugeneGur 说:
    @Ez

    The Nazis used to implement a policy like that quite widely. It’s nice to be in full agreement with them, isn’t it?

  169. EugeneGur 说:
    @Normie-American

    It cannot be claimed that Capitalism beat Communism because True Capitalism has never been tried.

    Nice defense but too bad its a logical fallacy. It could just as easily be said, perhaps, with much better justification, that neither has True Communism.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  170. peterAUS 说:
    @Authenticjazzman

    How many more time do you guys want to try it “wrongly”, with it’s unavoidable murder and chaos, before you finally realize that it will never work, period.

    Ah…you see, they do know it will never work. For masses that is.
    Smart players there ,not “useful idiots”. Those idiots are in “belief mode” and no amount of reasoning could help.
    All the players want is 功率 统治。
    And then, they believe, it will, perfectly, work for them.
    “This time” the control will work, they believe. Technology/means for mass surveillance and killings/imprisonment/brainwashing will give them that capability.

    • 回复: @Authenticjazzman
  171. @peterAUS

    ” Ah…you see, they do know that it will never work”

    Well I would not credit them with so much intelligence, my observation being that they are really quite stupid, however at the same time they are insanely fanatical regarding their goal of world communism.

    I have encountered many, many communists during my fifty years of world travel and my main conclusion and observation is that they are ALL insane, and they are equipped with horrid ugly personalities.
    They are not likeable people, rather unbearable know-it-alls, and how else can I word this : malicious creepy fanatics.

    I remember seeing a photo of Che’ decades ago with him having, in blatent macho style, a fat cigar clenched in his teeth, and a Rolex submariner on his wrist, a total power-mad charlatan, and completely in tune with the mentality of his deranged comrades.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained Us army Vet, and pro Jazz artist.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
    , @Wally
  172. silent_bob 说:
    @WorkingClass

    “If the collapse of the Soviet Union proved that Communism “does not work” then I suppose that the collapse of the Anglo/Zio Empire will prove that Capitalism does not work.” – the difference is that regardless of empire fate, capitalism is around and it works, while in Soviet Union it collapsed, regardless of this bunch of monstrous lies presented in the piece that does not deserve being called an article.

    The tendency to deliberately mix up imperialism with economic system is a Marxist-Leninist concrete-head (as we called dumb Party officials here during Soviet times) practice designed for idiotic propaganda: that capitalism is you know, evel.

  173. Wally 说: • 您的网站
    @Anon

    [Obsessively posting essentially the same comment over and over again on numerous different and usually unrelated threads really isn’t good commenting policy, and should be curtailed unless you want your comments regularly trashed.]

  174. Wally 说:
    @Avery

    I agree, it is a form of socialism, hence ‘Social’ Security. So what?

    After all, you just highlighted the obvious injustice of socialism / communism. Thanks for that.

    However, some of us have paid into SS way more then we will ever get back. So I’m not taking, but have added TO a system that is ultimately unsustainable.

    As for Medicare, I make a monthly forced ‘contribution’ to a system that I do not want or need, I have my own medical insurance.

    In general, it’s all called state coercion.

    • 回复: @Anon
  175. peterAUS 说:
    @Authenticjazzman

    Well I would not credit them with so much intelligence, my observation being that they are really quite stupid, however at the same time they are insanely fanatical regarding their goal of world communism.

    Well…I would credit some of them with 相当 some intelligence. Those are truly dangerous.

    I have encountered many, many communists during my fifty years of world travel and my main conclusion and observation is that they are ALL insane, and they are equipped with horrid ugly personalities.

    Let’s say I have had much “closer” relationship with them.
    Based on that experience I wouldn’t underestimate their will to power and even less so their capability for evil.

    They are not likeable people, rather unbearable know-it-alls, and how else can I word this : malicious creepy fanatics.

    I’d qualify those as higher echelons of “useful idiots”.

    This is how I see Communists (very…very briefly):
    There is a miniscule group of true humanists there, both highly intelligent, educated and with good intentions. You’ll see this group writing books about Communism etc.
    Then, there is a bit larger group of people who recognize that idea as a very good vehicle to gain power.
    Then, you have, say, “management” level of “useful idiots”. You’d see those types defending Communism in forums etc. They emotionally, morally, belong to the first group but aren’t psychopathic as members of the second, power, group.
    Then, you have masses who don’t think, just feel and simply want better life.

    Revolution:
    Masses buy the idea by the group 1.
    Groups 1 and 2 work as elite of the movement with useful idiots as management/lower leadership level, using masses to win.

    Now…the crux of the game.

    尽快 POWER is won there is a “cleanup”.
    Group 1 is destroyed/broken/coopted into the group 2. In that order.
    Group 2 rules by iron fist.
    Group 3 is also cleaned up. True believers are executed/imprisoned/sent abroad/whatever, or, those “seeing the true light” after a bit of “re-education” retained as “middle management”. Some from the mass also get there. Usually the hard, ruthless types and they get into security services and military.
    The masses get back to being exploited masses.
    The system is locked in place.

    The top group does have “communism”. The masses have….well….what we’ve seen what they had in…ahm…”communist” countries.
    North Korea isn’t a bad example.

    • 回复: @Authenticjazzman
  176. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Wally

    If you live until 71, you’ll have been paid back in full and then some. You really don’t understand this stuff at all, do you?

    • 回复: @anarchyst
  177. Cyrano 说:

    The argument whether you need a worldwide communist revolution in order for communism to succeed, or whether communism in one country is sustainable has been settled.

    Stalin was a firm supporter of the second option – communism (socialism) in one country – and he has been proven wrong. Why was this the case? It’s pretty simple actually – because the capitalists vultures gang up together against USSR both militarily (NATO) and economically (IMF) in order to weaken and destroy USSR.

    Today USA are well aware that the opposite is also true – that capitalism in one country is not a viable option either, that’s why they are wrecking havoc around the world – supposedly in order to promote democracy, while the real goal is to promote and protect capitalism and prevent alternative ideas about new socioeconomic systems emerging.

    • 回复: @Mao Cheng Ji
  178. @Cyrano

    Stalin was a firm supporter of the second option – communism (socialism) in one country – and he has been proven wrong.

    Well, it depends on how China is going to turn out, doesn’t it. They still have ostensibly communist ‘vanguard-party’ (Lenin’s idea) government, running something reminiscent of Lenin’s NEP. Stay tuned…

  179. 1RW 说:
    @Johnny Rico

    It’s incorrect to use the foreign exchange rate to compare military budgets and thus military capabilities of the US and Russia. Russian defense industries are vertically integrated inside RF. They pay for everything in rubles on the domestic market. Russian workers also cost about a 4th of what American ones do. Russia also has cheaper energy than the US. Since most physical objects are the result of the application of physical labor and energy to precursor items, from ore to bolts or microchips, we can multiply the value of the Russian budget by at least a factor of 4 so 14% now becomes 56%. Russia also has far less of a logistical and payroll burden. It’s overseas base empire is far smaller (where the exchange rate would really hurt). Russia doesn’t need to do power projection like the US – a carrier killer missile is far cheaper than a carrier battle group.

    Fixating on the one time when a T14 “broke down”, I put it in quotes because it didn’t break down, it was improperly operated by a newb driver, demonstrates wishful thinking of the writers more than actual Russian capabilities. It is far better to focus on the effectiveness of the Russian Air Force in Syria, the sortie rates it generated and the outcomes it created on the ground. Or the fact that Russia demonstrated its ability to hit targets in Syria from the Caspian and Mediterranean seas with both submarine and surface platforms. Or the bloodless taking of control in Crimea, which showed that Russia understands how to conduct large special forces operations swiftly and masterfully. Or even the 2008 war with Georgia, where Russian combined arms operations ground the NATO trained and equipped Georgians to dust in a blitz fronted by tanks and supported by combat aviation.

    Russia’s 21st Century combat record has been successful if less prolific than the ever over-engaged US, and talking it down looks more like self soothing than rational analysis

    • 回复: @Johnny Rico
  180. Wally 说:
    @Authenticjazzman

    Not to mention Che personally shooting countless peasants who resisted his madness.

    干杯。

    • 回复: @Anon
  181. Does communism have a future? But then, it was never communism per se but Marxism or Marxism-Leninism. Ultimately, Maoism was too anti-intellectual to win and keep many converts. It was more about hysteria(and in that sense, PC may have more to do with Maoist strain than Marxism or Leninism or Trotskyitism that were more intellectual, cerebral, and even bourgeois in style).

    If it wasn’t for Marxism/Leninism, would communism have appealed to so many people? After all, communism predated Marxism. And yet, it was the Marxist take on communism that really changed the world. Similarly, psychology and psychiatry predated Freud, but it was Freudianism that really created a Movement or a cult(as some denigrated it). And it was this strain of Freudianism that had a huge impact on arts and entertainment, from high art to low mass culture. And among libertarianism, it was Rand’s particular take on capitalism and individualism that won so many adherents.

    In all these intellectual phenomenon, we see several factors. We see the appeal of something big, epic, and/or universal. World Revolution, Discovery of the Mind, and Human Freedom. Another appeal is the unification of seemingly disparate ideas. Marx explained how economic forces aren’t just an element of society but THE underlying factor in EVERYTHING. So, religion, arts, culture, history, and etc are all manifestations of economic struggle. Freud explained that the mind isn’t independent of body and base drives but always shaped by animal drives like sexuality though these energies become repressed and often turn into complexes. And Rand argued that every progress in human history was linked to individual liberty and heroism. The best way to do good is not to be ‘good’ but to be great as individual. For example, if a man has the genius to invent fire, should he do that or should he take care of the poor? Helping the poor might do some good, but he will not invent fire that can change mankind. Would it have been better for Newton or Einstein to feed the poor than follow their passion in science? (Granted, most people aren’t great and their idea of liberty is more video games or fooling around.)

    Another great appeal of such movements was the cult of personality. It’s part of human nature to want a human face on something. Development of religion owed to humans personifying the world around them. So, maybe a manlike god created thunder. Maybe manlike god controlled the seas. It’s like Greeks had bunch of gods. And in war narratives, we wanna focus on big personalities. Even though victory in war relies much on soldiers and the entire chain of command — and industry providing armaments and logistics — , we’d rather focus on personalities like Patton, MacArthur, Rommel, General Lee, General Grant, Napoleon, and etc. Same thing goes for ideas. Basic ideas of communism existed before Marx. But Marx became the human face of the movement. He came to be admired as its Moses, its law-giver, its great prophet.
    Likewise, Freud became the center of adulation. The ideas weren’t merely generic or academic but personal and human, the work of a ‘genius’.
    And of course, Ayn Rand cultists see her as bigger-than-life godlike figure. She made the basic and generic ideas of freedom and individuality into something powerfully personal and heroic.

    So, people want to believe in a big idea, but big ideas tend to be generic and bland. So, it has to revolve around some ‘genius’ or ‘prophet’ who gives it a human face and stamps it with personality and vision. And this is what made communism such a powerful movement. It had Marx as its prophet. And this is why Freudianism, despite its flaws and frauds, came to captivate so many people. And this is why Rand made American freedom so exciting and heroic.

    Also, there was something bold and radical about such figures, and that too is intoxicating. Even though probity and caution are generally wiser, they don’t excite. We love the thrill of clash of the titans. If Marx had been a social-democrat, he would have been a better thinker. But then, he would have been one of the many sane theorists and writers, which is boring. For him to gain fame and notoriety, he had to think BIGGER and make big claims about history.
    It’s like cultural controversies arise from bold pronouncements. It’s like Auteur Theory became such a major issue in the film world because Truffaut’s declaration was so confident and assertive. It wasn’t announced as a ‘maybe’ but a certainty.
    And Freud was also a Big Thinker as was Rand. Their delusional derangement syndrome was part of the appeal. It’s like Rockers get more respect than crooners or balladeers. When Led Zeppelin plays hard, there is nothing but the music’s power. Thunder stirs us more than breezes. A storm is more impressive than a drizzle.

    And Marxism was a truly bold and epic prophecy.
    Imagine if Moses came down with some laws and explained to Hebrews that he got some good ideas. Hebrews would have been bored. Moses got respect because he spoke big and loud like Charlton Heston and claimed God gave him the tablets with fire and brimstone like in DeMille’s movie.

    The reason why Christianity and Islam became such huge religions was the fusion of universality and personality: Universonality. The ideas expounded by Jesus weren’t really new. There had been ideas of pacifism before. So, why did Christianity become so powerful? Because those ideas became poeticized through Jesus’ words and sacralized by His sacrifice. It was the combination of ideas, story, and personality that made it a great religion. Likewise, the ideas of Islam cannot be fully appreciated without the personality cult of Muhammad as the great prophet-seer-warrior-servant-of-Allah.

    There is also the appeal of the champion. In boxing, there may be several leagues. So, there can be 4 or 5 heavyweight champions at the same time. This is dissatisfying. We want to see who is the real ONE champion. So, we want all the champs to fight it out to see who’s the real champion. This is why pagan mythology has hierarchy among the gods. There is Zeus as top god among Greeks, and Odin as top god among Germanics. But Jews went even further. They decided to unify all gods into just one. So, there is only one God and only one truth. All else are false gods.

    And such was the appeal of Marxism, Freudianism, and Randism. They were attempts to offer an explanation for everything. It had all the answers for all humanity and for the single individual’s place in the world. There were many theories of communism before Marx, but under Marxism, a single theory came to dominate. Other ideas were either subsumed or rejected. And Freud insisted his theory of the mind-body-connection explained all of human psychological experience. And Rand insisted that her theory was about the triumph of reason and objective truth above all else. There was no need for any other theory. They claimed championship.

    And yet, Marxism had a greater impact than Freudianism or Randism. As influential as Freud was, the direction of capitalism was bound to end up the same way due to its catering to hedonism. As for Randism, she was not the founder of capitalism or individualism. Just its most fervent and fanatical proponent. In contrast, even though Marx didn’t invent communism, his theory of communism came to found a great new movement and a great new order that would shake the world in the 20th century(though the rise and spread of communism had more to do with tragic mistakes of imperialists who fought each other to exhaustion and created a gaping hole to be filled by radicals).
    As important as psychology is, it’s about the individual mind. Even though everyone has psychology, it’s impossible to unify all minds(unless a super-collective mind machine is created in the future). To be sure, electronica has created something like proto-unification of the mind. In a way, TV-Radio-internet are like a Cloud-Mind. As our senses are hooked to TV screens and radios beaming the same images, sounds, and ideas to 100s of millions of people around the world, all our minds are being molded by the same handful of Big Media corporations. If I had a machine that created certain ideas and images and if I could beam those ideas/images to a billion people around the world, I would be colonizing their minds with what I want them to think, see, and feel. And in a sense, TV is a mind-control tool that unifies minds. Prior to electronica, people would have been reading different books, different newspapers, hearing different conversations, and etc. But with everyone having a TV, they came to see the same images and their minds came to be molded by same stories, news, ideas, and advertising. Tropers are more dangerous than troopers. It’s chilling that Freud’s nephew Bernays was a pioneer in mass advertising, a force that, in some way, became more powerful than any ideology. Electronica favored idology to ideology.

    Still, as exciting as idology is, it is not fulfilling in the long run. It’s about thrills. It’s like fireworks are fun but can’t warm your body in winter. Warmth is provided by Marxism. It has the element of high intellect that won it much respect from intelligent erudite people. But its themes are about justice and the poor folks and toiling workers. Thus, it has an ennobling element, something found in great religions like Christianity and Islam. So, Marxism brought together elite intellect and with moral concern for the masses. And because it envisioned a better future, a heaven on earth, it has a spiritual element for modern people who’d lost faith in God. It united the mind, the body, and the soul. And also the senses. As Marxism tied EVERYTHING to economics, a Marxist was expected to become an expert in the arts and criticism. Marxist must use arts and entertainment to win over the masses and serve the revolution. And Marxist must be a keen reader and critic of bourgeois art and capitalist entertainment to critique them and expose their true message. So, there was a place for artists and critics in Marxosphere.

    Also, Marxism came with a handful of canonical works such as THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO, DAS KAPITAL, and works of Lenin and others. The Communist Manifesto had the appeal of the New Testament Gospels. It was easy to understand and digest. It was for everyman, like op-ed in newspaper. Das Kapital was a much more daunting work, but that was its appeal for the intellectuals. Like Heidegger’s BEING AND TIME, its difficulty was appreciated for challenging the intellect. For a revolutionary to have read Das Kapital and understood was akin to someone reading the whole Torah(and Talmud) and thinking about it. After all, even as universalist intellectuals want to feel a moral connection to the masses, they also want to feel special as serious thinkers. So, Marxism’s appeal to both semi-literate masses and ultra-literate intellectuals was seen as the promise of unity of mind and body of whole human history. It’s like what Barton Fink explains.

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    What is the appeal of the Bible? It is a unity. Its truths can be found in lots of other books, but who wants to carry a 1000 books around? Bible’s appeal is that it combines theology, history, genealogy, poetry, philosophy, prophecy, chronology, legalism, ethics, and etc. Greeks and Romans produced many great works but there are here, there, everywhere. There is no single Greek book that brings it all together. Bible, in contrast, brought together the essence of all the Jewish themes, culture, and ideas. So, just by carrying that one book, there is a great sense of carrying truth, meaning, history, spirituality, and etc.

    And this was the appeal of communism. Just by having a few collected works of Marx, Engels, Lenin, and maybe Trotsky, one felt the Truth was in one’s hands.

    I was never a communist, but I had a collection of commie sacred texts from mid 80s to late 80s. The capitalist world of US seemed colorful and lively but meaningless. So, reading the commie works like the Bible offered some kind of meaning though I was too skeptical to really believe in that stuff. But then, I still read the Bible even though I never believed in religion. The sense of Unity of Meanings in them is assuring on some level even to a non-believer.

    There is a very good piece by Tony Judt in NEW YORK REVIEW OF BOOKS on the death of Marxism.

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2006/09/21/goodbye-to-all-that/

    It tries to understand why Marxism/Leninism had such spell on so many people — from most distinguished intellectuals in the West to the crudest warriors in the Third World — in the 20th century. The thing is it offered a unity with a simple but profound idea collected in a few sacred texts. It offered an intersection of history, philosophy, quasi-spirituality, theory of justice, prophecy, cult of science and reason(as Marx claimed to be totally rational and objective, just like Freud and Ayn Rand later), manual on manhood(as revolution would require warriors), love(as equal justice would mean happiness for all men and women in sex and love), and arts & culture(as revolutionaries must decode and expose bourgeois propaganda and create new culture for the new man). Via Marxism, people working in very different fields and departments could feel related and connected since, as fellow Marxists, they were all working for Justice and the Future. Christianity had once played such a role in the West. It spiritually and morally united everyone from king to the lowest peasant. But with the fading of religions, what could serve as the new ideological and quasi-theological unity of all men? Many looked to Marxism. In post-war European cinema, why do so many bourgeois capitalist film-makers claim to be ‘Marxist’? They didn’t want to go live in communist Russia. When they made money, they vacationed like rich bourgeoisie and drove around in sports cars. They ate at fancy restaurants. They adopted ‘Marxism’ as the new-christianity. In a society that seemed increasingly uprooted, alienated, and fragmented, they held onto Marxism that would serve as a thread for all mankind.

    So, the key is not whether communism will come back. The question is why Marxism-Leninism still has a hold on people. It is because the human mind is essentially religious in the sense that we want some unity of truth and authority. When the West worshiped religion, this sense of totality and unity was offered by God and Jesus through the Sacred Texts and the Church. But religion is long dead. And we were told by Francis Fukuyama that End of History is here and the Final Idea is this bland thing called ‘liberal democracy’ which can mean just about anything. Some have tried to find meaning through Homomania and Negromania. But for how long can humanity find meaning in worshiping butt-banging? And how long can we worship the Magic Negro, as mythical as the unicorn? And whatever fun that people might get from pop culture saturation of Negro dongs and Black booties, is that meaningful? The iconography of homos and Negroes have a powerful hold on globalist culture, but they offer shallow thrills.

    For a while, there was an attempt to turn Shoah into a new religion, and this holds for some Jews. And it’s true enough that Europeans have been raised with Shoah-guilt as their neo-christianity with Anne Frank as Virgin Mary and with Jewish victims as the new christ figures. But how long can this hold as EU fills up with Muslims and Africans? And with people becoming more cynical about Jewish power and West Bank mess — and with negative news about the likes of Weinstein and Weiner — , the Shoah-as-new-religion is becoming more problematic. As horrible as Shoah was, the problem with Shoah-worship is as problematic as Magic-Negro-worship and Homo-angel-worship. It ultimately comes down to worship of man, and mankind is a sinful animal. So, even though blacks were once slaves, they act like louts. And even though Jews suffered Shoah, they can gain power and do awful things. Unlike God who can be said to be great eternally, all groups of people are good and bad depending on times. Germans were once good, then terrible during Nazism, and then good again. Jews can be good or bad at different times. So, the idea of worshiping Shoah as religion wont’ work in the long run because it says we have to look at all Jews through the prism of Shoah for all eternity. So, even if Zionists decide to wipe out the Palestinians, we have to see Jews as ‘the eternal victim’. It’s ridiculous.

    There is no longer any unity of truths and meanings. In some ways, this is a good thing as no single ideology or worldview can explain everything. And yet, there is a craving for such unity of values and vision. In the absence of such, some are returning to Marxism/Leninism, esp as capitalism has grown so corrupt and disgusting. Some on the true left must be wondering what the hell happened to them. I mean, how did Leftism become the arm of Wall Street, Hollywood, and Silicon Valley, taking huge sums from money-changers like Soros who promote whores and homos? Given what has become of progressivism, it is now de rigeur to support homos and all that. But in doing so, leftism lost its true meaning and connection to the people. Also, this embrace of Diversity has turned leftism into a ideological cesspool of incoherence. Is leftism for feminism or for Islam? Is it for women or for trannies? Is it for essentialism or fantasism of 50 genders? Is it for capitalist pop culture or against it? If leftism is about ‘more immigrants’, how can it ever address the problems of the natives when it’s too busy attacking natives as ‘xenophobes’ for not taking in MORE foreigners.

    Given this mess, some may be hankering for Classic Marxism that was universal but also demanding and disciplined as theory and practice.

    BUT, Marxism is really a spent force, and you can’t go home again. It’s like Christianity is also a spent force. It had a great 1600 yr run, but it’s now faded as a faith and culture. Esp its failure to resist homomania made it a sick decadent faith. And Marxism failed too big and too tragically in the 20th century to make a comeback.

    But the current malaise opens up new opportunities for new great ideas, visions, and even religions. A state-of-the-art religion may not even require faith but a vision, like in sci-fi stories. Maybe L. Ron Hubbard was on to something even though what came of his movement turned into a cultish joke.

    This is the time to create new visions and religions, new ideologies and movements. And that is why there is such fear of the Alt Right and other such movements. They sense that something is terribly wrong and out of balance in the world. Old Rules and Old ideas no longer speak to our times. And yet, something big and powerful must happen for the world to be saved and set right again.

    It is the time to write the Book, a new book that will unify the disparate ideas yet waiting to be gathered and made into one. It’s like what Bob Dylan did with BLONDE ON BLONDE. He took everything from country, rock n roll, blues, folk, and poetry and brought it all back home and made something that was both everything but unique and special. This is why Dylan’s status as the prophet of rock stuck.

  182. anarchyst 说:
    @Anon

    You forget the power of compound interest…You are correct in stating that a SS recipient will “break even” with his “contributions” by age 71, BUT, that does not count the interest that his “contributions” should have earned, if he were “allowed to invest his (and his employer’s) SS “contribution” on his own, he would have been much better off–a millionaire easily. People forget that SS is a grand “Ponzi scheme” in which current workers pay current retirees…
    The city of Galveston Texas was the last municipality “allowed” to “opt out” of the federal Social Security system. The average retiree of the Galveston system collects approximately THREE TIMES what the average social security system recipient gets…sorta tells you something…

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  183. Anonymous [AKA "Ano Nimus"] 说:

    Communism cannot work without absolutist tyranny. You cannot take from the haves and give to… without force. For that reason the state behaves like a god, eliminating all undesirable elements including faith in the True God. Lack of a guilty conscience and the fear of God, leads the communist (fascist) govt to commit atrocities. Communism ccould be understood as pro-poor fascism.
    The real challenge is how to save one’s soul in the face capitalist aggression and temptation.

  184. Anonymous [AKA "Mad Jack"] 说:

    No Communism is not dead. It’s alive and well with the Demoncratic Party.

  185. peterAUS 说:
    @Priss Factor

    This is the time to create new visions and religions, new ideologies and movements.

    同意。

    They sense that something is terribly wrong and out of balance in the world. Old Rules and Old ideas no longer speak to our times. And yet, something big and powerful must happen for the world to be saved and set right again.

    That’s an optimistic version.

    还有另一种。
    It doesn’t really have to happen.
    Things can happily go as they’ve been going for quite some time.

    There will be winners in that game who’ll believe “the world is saved and set right again”.
    Because for them it will be and that’s all what matters.

    World has always been right for some and not right for some else. Usually 20/80, most of the time.

    Why the future world should be any different?

  186. Parfois 说:
    @anonymous

    “Communist parties imposed themselves in circumstances of war, chaos and use of bayonets rather than evolving towards communism peacefully.”

    It is not hard to guess why communist parties have a go at political power when societies are sent to dire straits by capitalism, as the Russians did 100 years ago when the country was on its knees and could not feed the troops in the fronts and the masses in the rear.

    Honestly, how can it be otherwise? Communism is simply banned in capitalsit societies, either by hook or by crook. Even mild socialism is proscribed: see what happened to Greece and Italy after WWII. See what happened in Chile 1973, Portugal and Australia 1975.

    The only way left for socialism/communism to succeed is to storm the barricades and free humanity from the shackles of slavery to the money barons.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  187. Parfois 说:
    @Priss Factor

    “Neo-fascism is the only answer”

    Thank you for your honesty and candour, straight from the horse’s mouth.

    All one needs to attach respectability to fascism (a theory of corporate political power) is to append the prefix Neo. Fascism knows many disguises (e.g. “national socialism”, “capitalist democracy”) to fool the ignorant sheeple such as yourself.

  188. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Wally

    I heard those “peasants” were non-uniformed partisans. It’s perfectly lawful to kill partisans under international law, no?

  189. Vidi 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    China isn’t totally socialist, I agree. But it is still mostly socialist, as most of its economy is controlled by the government. And its five-year plans are still effective.

  190. edNels 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Priss Factor’s is a very seriously informative and insightful comment/essay. But I bet it isn’t being read by other contributors. Some of the ”jingoistic” reflexive stuff offered on the subject, wouldn’t suggest that kind of erudition is much in evidence, but thanks for the many points to ponder on in the wake the article above, also a long winded one, approapriately, for the subject is key today, and… WTF is the next thing coming to fill the philisophy/ religious/ culture/ vacuume/ for humans?

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  191. Wally 说: • 您的网站

    不,那不是。
    Boy, you are desperate.

    Unlike the legally executed communist terrorists / ‘partisans’ of WWII, there was no relevant declared war or declared warring parties under international law in regions of Che’s mass murders.

    The peasants that were murdered by Che & his communists were not armed, not party to any aggression.

    Che never offered that excuse for his mass murder sprees, but you sadly do.

    You lose again. What a truly ignorant redneck Zionist you are.

    普通美国人对寄生的犹太复国主义者和以色列保持沉默的唯一原因是,他们的头上充斥着各种荒诞的小说,例如大屠杀宣传,“犹太-基督教价值观”,以及犹太人是一个独特的正义,特殊和受迫害的人。 。

  192. Wally 说:
    @anarchyst

    Anon, never knew anything to forget. LOL

    He a classic airhead Mama’s boy.

    干杯。

    • 回复: @Anon
  193. Vidi 说:
    @Wally

    So IOW, according to you, ca. 30-50% of the economy has been pulled out of the grasp of the communists.
    谢谢你。

    Like I said, ‘a Chinese rejection of their communist past’ … where 100% of everything was in communist hands.

    Just because China has adopted bits of capitalism, you can’t say that the country has “utterly rejected” socialism. Otherwise, you would have to say the U.S. has utterly rejected capitalism since the government funds most police departments.

    The unshakeable reality is that China is quite socialist: the state controls the major part of the economy, and the five-year plans work. That is more than good enough.

    What you’re really trying to talk about is a Chinese fascist economy, look it up.

    I’m not playing your definition game.

  194. “Marxism-Leninism clearly states that Capitalism is built on the oppression of the weak and that imperialism is the highest stage of Capitalism.”

    Capitalism is about making money (from money); it favours whatever makes the most money. It favours imperialism if that makes money; if oppression makes money it’ll favour that too (although it rarely does favour what I would consider oppression, this can happen if circumstances merit). Currently capitalism favours globalism and free migration that drives down labour costs, that seems to be the way to make most money.

  195. @Sergey Krieger

    I guess you point to the problem of ruling classes, at least in big countries, who can’t think of better says of deploying a country’s wealth than on wars. While the USSR and the USA are examples of that it does seem that India and China are not so far guilty, though China gives ground for suspicion.

  196. @Parfois

    You’ll remain in a muddle if you let so much rubbish rot your brain. Not even the dismissed Australian PM thought there was an anti-democratic basis for his lkss of office in 1975. Greek Communists after WW2 were not trying to institute mild socialism when they were defeated. In Chile the KGB was as much involved as the CIA and Allende, elected with 35 per cent of the vote, had engaged in expropriations, not socialism or lawful constitutional government. And your point about Portugal and Italy????

  197. If Communism entails “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” it will require decades of superabundance before the people of diverse communities too large for anyone to know more than a small proportion of their fellow citizens to accept the necessary redistribution.

  198. @Priss Factor

    “As important as psychology is”

    Totally absurd nonsense.

    There is not and has never been anything “Important” about these psuedo-sciences : Psychology and it’s medical-madness, drug-addicting sister Psychiatry.

    Freud was a criminal-minded lunatic, who used his bullshit theories to “treat” “Hysterical” upper class women, and it doesn’t take much imagination to guess what that means.

    Psychology/Psychiatry have no knowledge of the workings of the human mind, and THIS is the reason why they then resort to drugging the patients whom they consider “Untreatable”.

    They are goddamn madmen and it is high time that their abberations of medicine be exposed for what they are namely : sadistic mental torture.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained U S Army Vet, and pro jazz aritist.

    PS I have read “Das Kapital” and his “Manifesto” in German : Kaisers new suit jabberwocky.

  199. @peterAUS

    [Commenters using a tagline bragging of their greatness but whose comments are almost always totally vacuous and content-free, are not usefully contributing to this website. Unless you drop your tag-line and enormously improve the quality of your comments, all future ones will be summarily trashed.]

    “There is a miniscule group of true humanists there”

    Never, never, never. There is not and never has been a “miniscule group of humanists” within the communist movement, simply because then the murderous history, the murderous record of their past endeavors must be ignored and swept under the rug by these “humanists”, and explained away as if it had been necessary : The necessary breaking of a few eggs ( a few million murders) to create an omelette.
    The higher up in the cadre’ the more sinister, bloodthirsty, and insane they are.

    1973年以来一直是Authenticjazzman“ Mensa”的资格,经过机师培训的美国陆军兽医,并且是专业爵士艺术家。

    • 回复: @peterAUS
    , @Cyrano
  200. Anonymous [AKA "Byzantine_Corporal"] 说:

    I read here to keep a breeze of contrary opinion flowing through my infobubble.

    Now that The Saker has declared himself objectively (heh*) in favor of the Marxist skull-mountains, that has become… more difficult. I don’t know how much I will benefit from fresh air whilst holding my nose against the stench of rotting flesh crying out for vengeance**.

    * I have a minor in Soviet cant…

    ** My family name derives from “kulak”.

  201. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Wally

    不,那不是。
    Boy, you are desperate.

    No, you miss the point. I’m making an analogy for your edification. Under no circumstances would I ever support anyone executing civilians. Ever. Unlike you.

    Unlike the legally executed communist terrorists / ‘partisans’ of WWII, there was no relevant declared war or declared warring parties under international law in regions of Che’s mass murders.

    But there wasn’t a declared war between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union either. Even with the USSR attempted to get Germany to adhere to the international laws of war, the Nazis refused, since they had already committed to committing a Vernichtungskrieg against the USSR. You know — Kommissarbefehl, etc.

    The peasants that were murdered by Che & his communists were not armed, not party to any aggression.

    Neither were Jewish children.

    Che never offered that excuse for his mass murder sprees, but you sadly do.

    Know what Che did that the Nazis didn’t do? He convened military tribunals. He at least tried to give the appearance of legality. And by the way, the total executed was around 1,000, and most of them were in cahoots with the Battista regime. Again, I wouldn’t support their being executed, but they weren’t children.

  202. A further Biblical indication that communism was the template for the Christian way of life can be found in Acts of the Apostles:

    ‘Not one of them claimed that anything of the things which he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common…..For neither was there among them any who lacked, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, and laid them at the apostles’ feet, and distribution was made to each, according as anyone had need.’

    • 回复: @Seraphim
  203. Anonymous [AKA "Whoosh!"] 说:
    @EugeneGur

    Enuff said

  204. HallParvey 说:

    Communism is the name of a form of socialism that was the evolutionary descendent of the Industrial Revolution. Communism itself may cease to exist since the Industrial Revolution has itself evolved into the current form of Corporatism, but, socialism in its many forms is almost universally the result of the very human emotion of envy. Envy coupled with the desire for revenge against those who are perceived to be “privileged” will always result in some form of socialism.

    “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.” This is the motivation for all socialist forms of interrelationship, whether religious, governmental, or philosophical. Of course, in order to facilitate the transfer of wealth from those who produce to those who need, some form of coercion is necessary, whether from the barrel of a gun or through some act of shunning.

    Whether in the form of religion or government or some combination of the two, this is the essence . So yes, Communism in its original form is dead, but it’s genesis is alive and well.

    GoodDay

    • 回复: @Mao Cheng Ji
  205. @HallParvey

    Of course, in order to facilitate the transfer of wealth from those who produce to those who need, some form of coercion is necessary, whether from the barrel of a gun or through some act of shunning.

    Hmm. This is an odd statement, considering that perhaps the most famous communist/socialist demand is that wealth should belong to those who produce.

  206. peterAUS 说:
    @edNels

    WTF is the next thing coming to fill the philisophy/ religious/ culture/ vacuume/ for humans?

    Well…that is 问题不是吗?

    I suspect something like combination of “1984” and “Brave New World” type.
    Hopefully I’ll be proven wrong.

  207. peterAUS 说:
    @Authenticjazzman

    Well…you apparently have a very strong opinion there.
    No debate will change it, so, let’s just agree to disagree.
    Or, in simple terms, I do believe you are very simplistic and wrong there.

    Just for a record and forum benefit:
    In each revolutionary movement, and that includes communists, there have been different types involved. Huge topic so I’ll try to make it very simple here.
    There were true idealists wanting to make the world a better place.
    There were power hungry sociopaths who were using the movement to advance themselves up the social ladder.
    There were pragmatists realizing the world was changing so they joined that change.
    There were masses of desperate people who didn’t think, just felt their misery and wanted better life.
    And, of course, a fringe of psychopaths, adventurers and similar types.

  208. Anon • 免责声明 说:

    How can one write an extended article (4,200 words) about the glorious future of Communism without bothering to define what it is–in practical terms, not just a few breezy slogans, such as “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”?

    Which by the way shows a total ignorance of human nature. Ask yourself, why did the “nomenklatura” of the USSR become corrupt? Are the Russians uniquely bad people or is human nature perhaps the problem?

  209. Vidi 说:
    @Wally

    此贴 was supposed to be a reply to you, but it got misconnected somehow. Not the first time that this has happened to me. Maybe the site’s comment system needs to be fixed?

  210. Cyrano 说:
    @Authenticjazzman

    Why don’t you shove you saxophone (or whatever stupid instrument that you are playing) up your a**, you stupid a**洞。

    I had enough of your imbecilic comment that are worth nothing, but in order to “increase” their value, you back them up with some retarded claim about your extraordinary intelligence – of which there is no evidence whatsoever in you stupid comments.

    I think also that showing your sax up your a** will only increase the quality of the music that you are playing, because your a** is attached to more intelligent part of your body than your mouth is – being connected as it is to your retarded brain.

  211. The world has moved so far and is developing so fast that the whole idea of someone in 21st century owing billions while millions barely getting by is not just ridiculous it is already inhuman. Therefore communist idea cannot die. It was just first attempt. Next time will be better. On the other hand capitalism has no future on limited planet.

    • 同意: Cyrano
    • 回复: @Johnny Rico
    , @Cyrano
  212. @Sergey Krieger

    Well, China isn’t using the Western model if that’s the question. It would be pretty ridiculous to extend everything over there, there isn’t enough space for suburbs and the like.

  213. @1RW

    我同意你说的大部分内容。

    But blaming the T-14 incident on the driver seems rather silly. No? And the only people “fixating” on that incident also seem to be you and whoever had to create the cover story of the newb driver.

    What happened in Crimea was bloodless because it was unopposed. Russian Spec Ops were already there.

    Or even the 2008 war with Georgia, where Russian combined arms operations ground the NATO trained and equipped Georgians to dust in a blitz fronted by tanks and supported by combat aviation.

    The actual 5-day war in 2008 in Georgia bears little resemblance to what you describe. The Russians suffered 67 dead to the Georgians 180. “Blitzed” and “ground to dust” are not very good ways to describe what happened.

    The version I’m familiar with is of the Russian assault having massive problems with Putin himself travelling to the front and taking personal control after between outraged at the performance of the 58th Army.

    The US had in fact declined supplying shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles to the Georgians. These would probably have helped a little.

    The Georgians had something like 10 light infantry battalions available. They never stood a chance. Using these 5 days as evidence of Russian military skill would be a mistake in my opinion. Rather, it served as evidence of the need to upgrade, reorganize, and reform the Russian military – as has in fact happened to a great degree in the years since.

    • 回复: @Vidi
    , @Mao Cheng Ji
    , @1RW
  214. @Sergey Krieger

    So I guess you are trying to say four legs good, two legs bad? Russia good, America not so good. Or something like that. And you have Uncle Joe’s head frozen in your basement. Sounds about right.

  215. Cyrano 说:
    @Sergey Krieger

    I think that both capitalism and communism are flawed systems – as is pretty much everything made by humans. Probably the ideal solution would be a hybrid between those 2 systems.

    The main reason why communism failed it was because it didn’t realize that the primary motivator for any human activity has always been and always will be – greed.

    In order to entice anybody to do anything you have to play to their greed and reward them as much as possible. Entrepreneurs, innovators and common workers should all be compensated adequately, so the society doesn’t end up like in the old communist joke: “We pretend that we’re working, and they are pretending that they are paying us”.

    Also, it should be left to the market to decide what needs to be produced, not some clueless bureaucrats making those decisions.

    Countries that have capitalist systems which contain some significant elements of communism (or socialism) like the Scandinavian countries are probably the best model for the moment.

    • 回复: @1RW
  216. Seraphim 说:
    @Shakesvshav

    Now, true ‘communism’ would have been that ‘the multitude of those who believed’ (in Acts 4:32 in a specific miracle performed before their eyes) put their properties, houses, belongings together in a common property. Instead they sold them and put the money at the feet of the Apostles. It was the response to the injunction of the Christ to the rich young man: “go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me” (Mark 10:21).

  217. Vidi 说:
    @Johnny Rico

    What happened in Crimea was bloodless because it was unopposed. Russian Spec Ops were already there.

    Were you implying that Crimea was coerced into joining the Russian Federation by the overwhelming power of the Russian troops? If you were, please explain why there were large, spontaneous celebrations throughout the peninsula, all day long, when it was announced that like 98% of the voters were in favor of joining the RF. Do you think some Russian tanks forced the Crimeans to smile, laugh, and sing?

    • 回复: @Cyrano
    , @Johnny Rico
  218. @Johnny Rico

    What happened in Crimea was bloodless because it was unopposed.

    Not only was it unopposed, but 80% of the Ukrainian troops stationed there switched sides, and now happily serve in the Russian army.

  219. Cyrano 说:
    @Vidi

    Were you implying that Crimea was coerced into joining the Russian Federation by the overwhelming power of the Russian troops?

    That’s exactly what that moron is trying to imply. Never mind that Crimea is about 70% ethnic Russian and it’s only logical that they would vote to reunify with Russia rather than be ruled by the treacherous Ukrainians.

    That retard thinks that the Russian government is so bad that even the Russians don’t wan’t to be ruled by Russia, but would instead prefer Ukraine – because their “democracy” has been certified with the golden seal of approval by US – and we all know that only US has the ability to recognize what constitutes a true democracy.

  220. 1RW 说:
    @Johnny Rico

    Crimea was also bloodless because the Russian special forces achieved surprise, controlled the situation deftly-did not open fire, did not force the Ukranians to open fire. There is a million ways this thing could have been botched. It’s a testament to Russia’s organizational prowess that it came off.

    Russia responded to Georgia’s aggression very quickly and decisively. The Georgian’s own ineptitude left Russia an opening – they started shelling civilians instead of securing the tunnel that connected Russia and Georgia. The Russians took the opening, deploying a tank army in a day isn’t exactly easy, and continued to maintain initiative. Georgia’s American trained army couldn’t deal with Russia’s classic combined arms blitz, lost morale and routed. Sorry if that’s not “ground to dust”. It’s still a victory achieved not merely through preponderance of force, but by ability to deploy in a constricted space and exploit the situation. BTW I never heard about Putin showing up personally and can’t understand what he would have done – he not being a practiced army mover.

    Finally, the stalled T14 was mentioned by the person whom I responded to, and is regularly used to symbolize Russia’s state of readiness. To my knowledge, it was a driver issue and I don’t see it being silly – it’s a newfangled, underdeveloped, complex machine operated by a conscript, operator error seems unremarkable within that context.

    It’s easy to nitpick, but the fact is that both the operations described went well without visible screw ups while the opponents did screw up. The Georgians proved strategically inept while the Ukrainians had decades of neglect and corruption suddenly catch up. By your standards Operation Iraqi freedom can also be discounted, even though it at the very least showed American ability to deploy and coordinate massive combined arms ops – nothing to sneeze at

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  221. @Vidi

    I wasn’t implying anything. I was simply stating what I believe to be the case from what I’ve read.

    Your immediate judgment that I am implying something suggests you understand these to be the basics as well.

  222. Avery 说:
    @1RW

    是故百戰百勝,非善之善者也;不戰而屈人之兵,善之善者也。
    {For to win one hundred victories in one hundred battles is not the acme of skill. To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill.}

    Sun Tsu.

    • 同意: GomezAdddams
  223. 1RW 说:
    @Cyrano

    Communism in the Soviet Union was the triumph of the will over market forces. The Soviet Union, and Russia now, if they were to strictly follow market forces would be nothing more than suppliers of ore, wood, and hydrocarbons. In fact, today’s capitalist Russia has been accused of a gas station masquerading as a country.

    The Soviet communists decided that there would be industry, electricity, nuclear power and space flight. To that end they educated the masses and used the state’s power of coercion to achieve growth that market forces not only wouldn’t sustain, but would not even justify. The fact that the USSR was able to outproduce Nazi Germany, with its slave labor and most of Europe’s capacity in WW2 supports this claim.

    Unfortunately, while communism proved adept at solving problems of a national scale, it couldn’t keep up with people’s desire for nice things. However, capitalism has a nasty way of ignoring things like social stability for the sake of profit and efficiency. Obviously some kind of hybrid economic model that can adjust the state/private enterprise ratio would be optimal. Running a computerized command economy would also be a worthwhile subject of experiment.

  224. Dube 说:
    @Joe Hide

    Joe Hide says:
    October 15, 2017 at 9:22 pm GMT [#116]

    “An oddly written article. Arguing one side, then the other.. over and over, and over and over. I read it all carefully but really didn’t learn anything. Is that because I am uneducated, ignorant, low intelligence, … OR … is there some other reason?”

    Read it as written from the p.o.v. of an Orthodox Christian, as he indicates himself. I guess that–how shall I try to put it–with God, all things are possible. And interesting, too.

  225. John_G 说:

    One of the wordier versions of ‘but that wasn’t true Communism’. Which would have been to the point, with much less sophistry. I was in East Germany and Czechoslovakia when they were still Communist… they were sh*tholes.

  226. Dissenter 说:

    Well, at last the Saker confesses what the true nature of his supposed intelligence work consists of, that seems to have nothing to do with a supposed role of observer in armed conflicts and his position in favor of justice, but it seems that he has really been for a long time an anti-communist agent, and most importantly, he still is. Of course, it seems nothing remotely similar to an intelligence work, but rather that of a propagandist, in this case the “evangelist” type. It is funny that he does not want to see other propagandists around his blog, considering his goals …..must be to avoid competence…..

    Then one wonders why a ·US anti-communist agent” would go around there pretending to be a Libertarian and a friend of the Communists ( whom he described as” good and honest people” in their long-held confidences of his beginnings… ), and publish articles by supposed communists. But what is more serious, why would he ask for the close collaboration of some of them in order to achieve stablishing trust and then collecting personal data, such as real email accounts, real names and even photographs, to then end up trying to humiliate them and destroy their credibility on the internet?

    If it was not enough, he ends up confessing that he has also committed other unspeakable actions in this say “occupation”…. I wonder if that has anything to do with betrayal …..

    Must I remember here that one can be photographed, and located, during a videoconference? Of course, if you are one of the 善意 Nazis who now mostly populate his blog, you have nothing to fear……remember that his bedside books have been, among other luminaries, “Mein Kampf” and that bible of anti-communism written by Solzenhytsin….

  227. Anonymous [AKA "anonmyous"] 说:

    I am very disappointed in The Saker with this article.
    I consider a lot of it to be nonsense.

  228. Anonymous [AKA "Jalan"] 说:

    Abolition of private property in land, no? Not all private property. Most people rent land, and nomadic tribes are well documented, so it doesn’t seem incompatible with human nature.

  229. Anonymous [AKA "BLUESKY"] 说: • 您的网站
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Andrei, Paciba .. !!! for reminding me of a speech given by Baroness Margaret Thatcher, in the US, in Texas, if I am not mistaken….where she mentioned…” ….the greatest threat from the USSR is not military, but an economic one….” and that was in mid 80s…???…

  230. 萨克避免提及苏联、中国、古巴和桑地诺等类型的马克思主义都是由英美精英掌权的事实。
    共同点是,上述国家都有共和党改革者,有些甚至直接在美国接受教育。 欣赏林肯和亚历山大·汉密尔顿等等。
    例如,俄罗斯的民族主义势力不是沙皇,而是想要一个民主共和国。 英国与列宁达成协议,不在所谓的内战中给予他们足够的支持。
    在其他情况下,最终清楚的是,美国不希望其他民族复制他们的制度,而是支持马克思主义者,以防止竞争对手崛起。

    左撇子不想知道的事实并不能解释为什么saker会避免它。

    左派知道,在马克思主义接管之后,美国还制裁了古巴,破坏了尼加拉瓜。 这看起来很矛盾,只要人们没有意识到 AA 帝国的目标是在帝国没有获得所有利润的情况下尽可能多地维持世界的停滞发展。

    他们因为我们的自由而恨我们 GWB 说,但不是。 AA 精英憎恨其他所有人的自由。
    猎手和数量惊人的其他山寨媒体舆论制造者一直对真相轻描淡写。

  231. A most excellent article. However, I am at a loss for the Christianity presented in a favorable light. What am I missing? A god creates children and sets a trap for them. He knows they are curious that is how he made them, so when they fall for the trap, his trap, and eat the apple, God deems them fallen pieces of garbage.

    He has created a napalm pit called hell. He plans to throw all of these wicked sinful children of his into the pit and torture them forever. How exactly is this not a sadistic monster the likes of which we have never seen?

    This same being is into infanticide. When he gets angry at Pharaoh he decides to teach Pharaoh a lesson and sends an angel of slaughter to murder all the firstborn Egyptian children. Who does that?

    Or when he is feeling peevish and insecure and demands of Abraham that he does a child sacrifice of his own son Issac as a test to prove he loves this monster god more than his own boy. Take him to an altar of human sacrifice and slay him to prove your love. As if human sacrifice is a good thing.

    Then this god decides he might “save” a few of these slobs on earth. How does he do it? With sadistic human sacrifice. He could have chosen any method to save these fallen children but he is into sadism and blood and so he chooses human sacrifice. Bloody, sadistic, pagan human sacrifice.

    Then he adds insult to injury by saying he does not really care how men act, their righteousness being as “filthy rags to him” he only cares that you stroke his ego in worship. So you can be a decent human Buddhist or Muslim or agnostic, try and live a good life, but if the blood of Jesus does not cover your sins you are going to be thrown in the sadistic napalm pit of hell and tormented for all of eternity. Are you a pedophile who has raped kids? No problem! Just be real sorry and ask Jesus to forgive you and boom! your sins are forgiven and go away.

    I have to wonder when you Christians are in your heaven with your sadist god and his napalm pit of hell and your mother, or your child, or your sweetheart has ended up there, at what point will you hear the screams of hell and say to your god, “Gee, it has been a hundred years of torturing her, do you think you could let up a bit?” Or, would the torture have to be a thousand years. Or would your soul become dark and wicked like your god and you would think …they had their chance and they blew it. They guessed the wrong religion and now they are out of luck.

    Christianity is a dark and twisted religion, a cult of human sacrifice with a sadistic monster as a god.

  232. @yeah

    Thank you Andrei for clarifying Sakers correct assessment. I would just add that to the extent any political economy places the productive power of labor, i.e., human creativity, as the true measure of value of that system (vs land, money or material wealth), then humanity will move in the right direction. The sacred soul and human creativity are the “wealth of the nation state”.

  233. Lin 说:

    Though an April joke, actually happening:

    “To respond to President Pence’s announcement of national emergency to ban sodomy after 100s of 1000s of homos public ‘march-in’ and ‘daisy-chained’ in major US cities to the tune of Hava Nagila which literally means ‘Let’s be Gay’, the gay militant Dan Savage announced the long awaited ‘CUM-munism Manifesto’. Besides advocating a radical board LGBT liberation front to counter Christian fundamentalism, the manifesto also want literally the public or collective ownership all anatomical components, body fluids, technical devices associated with orgasm. He also propose establishing CUMmues in all US cities and towns where sex to whatever fancy is free and unrefusable. All voluntary services at the CUMmues will carry tax credits..”

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