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我最近有幸观看了斯蒂芬·科恩教授在年度报告中发表的题为“重新思考普京”的简短演讲。 2 年 2017 月 XNUMX 日巡游(见此处查看原文 国家文章 and 原创 YouTube 视频)。 在他的简短演讲中,科恩教授出色地解释了普京*不是*,其中包括:(但是,请 do 在继续之前观看原始视频)。

  1. 他不是使俄罗斯民主化的人(埃尔斯汀和白宫做到了)
  2. 他不是在俄罗斯制造腐败和盗贼统治的领导人(埃尔斯汀和白宫做到了)
  3. 他不是下令谋杀反对者或记者的犯罪头目(无证据)
  4. 他没有下令入侵 DNC 服务器(没有证据)
  5. 他从一开始就不是反美国或反西方(普京随着时间的推移而改变)
  6. 他不是新苏联领导人(他对列宁和斯大林非常批评)
  7. 他不是激进的外交政策领导人(他一直是被动的领导人)
  8. 他在克格勃的岁月并没有以某种方式定义。

科恩教授最后提出了一些可能构成未来诚实传记一部分的内容:

  1. 作为一个掌舵崩溃国家的年轻且缺乏经验的领导者:
  2. 他以防止未来崩溃的方式重建、稳定和现代化俄罗斯
  3. 他不得不恢复权力的“垂直”:“有管理的民主”(即恢复秩序)
  4. 他需要一个共识的历史来修补沙皇、苏联和后苏联时代,而不是强加一个单一的历史版本
  5. 他需要西方的支持来实现俄罗斯经济的现代化
  6. 他希望俄罗斯成为一个大国,但 不能 超级大国
  7. 他从不赞成铁幕孤立主义; 他是一位国际主义者(至少在开始时,欧洲人超过 90% 的俄罗斯人)。

关键论点是这样的:普京最初是一位亲西方的欧洲领导人,随着时间的推移,他重新调整了自己与更传统的俄罗斯世界观的关系。 他更符合今天的俄罗斯选民。

科恩教授最后谈到了两个我认为他的听众非常关心的话题:他说,与西方宣传相反,俄罗斯所谓的“反同性恋”法律与美国 13 个州的法律没有什么不同。 其次,那个“无论如何,无论是在俄罗斯内部繁荣还是与以色列的关系,在所有人的普遍同意下,没有人否认这一点,俄罗斯普京统治下的犹太人比俄罗斯历史上的任何时候都好。 曾经。 他们有更多的自由,更少的官方反犹太主义,更多的保护,更多的官方对以色列的钦佩,更多的互动,更多的来回自由”。

这都是非常有趣的重要内容,尤其是在交付给左翼自由进步的美国观众(可能有很高比例的犹太人)时。 坦率地说,科恩教授的演讲让我想起了伽利略在宗教裁判所发表自己的“演讲”时的感受(科恩的文章和书籍现在也在现代版的 刻度 图书馆禁书). 事实上,科恩教授只是忠于自己:他反对旧冷战期间的疯狂,现在他反对新冷战期间的同样疯狂。 科恩教授的一生都是一个诚实、勇敢和正直的人——一个八福意义上的和平缔造者(马太福音 5:9)。 所以虽然我对他的勇气并不感到惊讶,但我仍然对他印象深刻。 有些人可能会认为在游轮上做一个简短的演讲并不是很大勇气的表现,但我强烈反对。 是的,没有人会像苏联 ChK-GPU-NKVD 那样朝科恩的后脑勺开枪,但我认为这些“强制执行”单一官方共识的方法远不如现代同类方法有效:整合实施技术(参见: Asch符合性实验) 在现代西方社会如此盛行。 看看结果:苏联社会的阅读和思考(任何形式的)比现代盎格鲁犹太复国主义帝国今天的要多得多(任何记得糟糕的旧苏联的人都会向你证实这一点)。 正如一个笑话所说:在独裁国家,你被告知“闭嘴”,而在民主国家,你被鼓励“继续说话”。 QED。

转向科恩教授的谈话要点,数字 1、2、3 和 4 是基本事实。 这里没有什么可争论的——科恩显然是在澄清事实。 数字 5 更有趣和有争议。 一方面,我们谈论的是难以判断的观点/意图。 普京曾经亲西方吗? 谁知道? 也许他最亲密的朋友知道? 我自己的看法是,这个问题必须结合问题#8:普京在克格勃的服务来看待。

还有一个 巨大 西方关于旧苏联克格勃的大量错误信息。 对于普通美国人来说,“克格勃特工”是一个名叫弗拉基米尔的人,他有着一双钢灰色的蓝眼睛,他殴打持不同政见者,窃取西方技术机密,并监视政客的妻子(甚至给他们上床)。 他是一个铁杆共产主义者,梦想用核武器攻击或入侵美国,他说话带有浓重的俄罗斯口音。 或者,还有安娜库先科(又名 安娜·查普曼) – 一个狡猾的性玩偶,引诱西方男人叛国。 这些原型与詹姆斯邦德一样准确,是军情六处的准确代表。 现实情况大不相同。

苏联克格勃首先是一个庞大的官僚机构,拥有完全不同的、独立的董事会、部门和部门。 是的,这样的一个局确实与持不同政见者和反苏活动家打交道(主要是 9th 5系th 董事会)但即使在这个(臭名昭著的)5th 该局有一些部门与其他克格勃局和部门协调,处理更合法的任务,例如早期发现恐怖组织(7th 部门)。 克格勃的其他部门负责经济安全(6th 局)、内部安全和反情报(2nd 局)甚至保护官员(9th 局)。

普京是一名军官(不是“特工”——特工是从 学校以外 克格勃!)第一总局(PGU)的克格勃:外国情报。 普京本人有 最近透露 他在 PGU 最敏感的部门“S 部门”工作,这是“非法的”。 这个非常重要。 PGU 与克格勃的所有其他部门如此分离,以至于它在莫斯科南部拥有自己的总部。 但即使在PGU内部,S部门也是最秘密的,与PGU所有其他部门(不少于10个)分开。 作为一个多年来一直作为反苏活动家并与(各个部门的)克格勃官员有过面对面接触的人,我可以确认,不仅克格勃作为一个整体得到了一些最好的,而且俄罗斯最聪明的人,但 PGU 获得了其中最好的,而且只有那些精选组中最优秀的人才进入了传奇的 S 部门。现在让我们看看 PGU 官员一般需要什么样的技能(除了明显的两个:非常聪明和非常值得信赖)。

首先,PGU官员必须是一流的 他的专业领域的专家 (在普京的例子中:当然是德国,还有欧洲其他国家,因为西欧曾经是——现在仍然是——美国的殖民地,所以美国)。 虽然苏联人民被告知 西方是敌人,PGU 官员必须明白 为什么 and 形成一种 西方就是那个敌人。

实际上,这不仅意味着了解和理解敌方政体的官方文化、政治、社会和经济现实,还意味着了解和理解该政体内部的真正权力关系。 这样的理解不仅有助于接近和评估与您互动的每个人的潜在有用性,而且能够理解这个人必须在什么环境中操作。 PGU 军官是顽固的共产主义者的想法是可笑的,因为这些男人和女人都读得很好(他们可以无限制地访问所有西方信息资源,包括反苏联的信息、机密报告和所有可以想象的反苏文献) 他们是终极现实主义者/实用主义者。 当然,就像在任何组织中一样,最高领导人通常是政治任命者和官僚和 对付- 情报官员没有那么老练。 但是对于像普京这样的军官来说 了解 现实 西方社会是一项至关重要的技能。

其次,优秀的 PGU 官员必须讨人喜欢; 非常非常讨人喜欢。 被别人喜欢也是一个好的情报人员的一项关键技能。 实际上,这意味着他/她不仅要了解是什么让另一个人打勾,还要了解如何在正确的方向上影响他/她。 在与“非法”打交道时,这也意味着成为他们最好的朋友、忏悔者、精神支持、指导和保护者。 如果人们不喜欢你,你就不能这样做。 因此,这些情报人员是成为好朋友和好伙伴的大师; 他们是很好的倾听者,他们非常了解如何让你喜欢他们。 他们还准确地了解您喜欢听什么、想看什么以及哪些言行让您处于放松和信任的状态。

现在把这两者结合起来:你有一个人,他是西方顶尖的专家,受过极好的训练,受到西方人的喜爱。 这个人一开始对西方有很多幻想的可能性有多大? 如果这样的人确实有疑虑——他会表现出来吗?

我自己的直觉是,这根本不可能。

更有可能的是:普京尽可能长时间地扮演“西方最好的朋友”的角色,但当它显然不再有效时,他就抛弃了它。 是的,在这样做的过程中,他确实重新调整了自己与俄罗斯主流舆论的联系。 但这只是一个有用的副作用,而不是重新调整的原因或目标。

看看上面科恩教授的第 9-13 点(我将它们总结为“修复俄罗斯”)。 它们对我来说都很有意义,即使是“他是一个年轻而缺乏经验的领导者”。 成为一名熟练的 PGU 官员和成为统治俄罗斯的人之间存在巨大差异。 即使普京确实失去了一些幻想,这主要是因为西方本身在 1980 年代和 2010 年代之间发生了很大变化。 但普京肯定一直都知道,要实施科恩的第 10-13 点,他需要西方的帮助,或者,如果这不可能,至少需要西方的最小干涉/抵抗。 但是,如果认为一个完全了解两次车臣战争真实信息的人会对西方对俄罗斯的真实感受抱有任何幻想,那就大错特错了。 事实上,任何生活在 1990 年代俄罗斯的人最终都会意识到,西方希望所有俄罗斯人都成为奴隶,或者更准确地说,用麦凯恩参议员的话来说——“加油站”服务员。 普京本人是这么说的 他宣称,谈到美国,“他们不想羞辱我们,他们想征服我们。 他们想解决他们的问题 我们的费用,他们想让我们服从他们的影响“。 普京随后补充说,“历史上没有人成功做到这一点,也没有人会成功“。 首先,我认为普京对西方目标的理解是绝对正确的。 其次,我也认为他在 2014 年并没有突然“发现”这一点。我认为他一直都知道,但在美国支持的乌克兰政变后开始公开表示。 此外,到 2014 年,普京已经取得了 9-13 分,他不再需要西方。

现在让我们看看第 6 点(普京对苏联时期的看法)、第 12 点(共识历史)和第 14 点(俄罗斯是一个大国但不是超级大国)。 再一次,让我们考虑一下这样一个事实,即 PGU 的官员可以完全访问任何历史书籍、秘密档案、回忆录等,并且他们可以非常自由地与他们的老师和同事就所有历史主题进行务实的分析。 在这里,我认为普京对苏联的过去不再抱有幻想,而是对西方抱有幻想。 他提到苏联解体的事实(让我们记住,发生在一个 完全 不民主的方式!)作为“灾难” 这是“完全没有必要”绝不意味着他没有敏锐地意识到苏维埃政权的所有恐怖、悲剧、浪费、腐败、堕落和普遍的邪恶。 这一切都表明,他也意识到了苏联时代历史记录中的巨大胜利、成就和成功。 最后,也是最重要的一点,它表明他意识到苏联的解体对前苏联全体人民来说是一场多么绝对的灾难,一场真正的宇宙级灾难,而对于俄罗斯来说,生活在一个真正的噩梦中是多么的噩梦。作为山姆大叔的附属殖民地整整十年。 我敢肯定,普京对黑格尔的研究足够了解 1990 年代的恐怖是苏联时代内部矛盾的结果,正如苏联时代是沙皇俄国内部矛盾的结果一样。 用简单的英语来说,这意味着他完全理解帝国的内在危险,并且他与绝大多数俄罗斯人一起决定,俄罗斯不应该再次成为帝国。 一个强大、受人尊敬的主权国家? 是的。 但是一个帝国? 再也不。 没门!

这一基本结论也是普京外交政策的关键:它本质上是“反应性的”,仅仅是因为它只对何时(以及什么)影响俄罗斯的事情做出反应。 你可以说所有“正常”的国家都是“反应性的”,因为他们没有其他事情要做。 无处不在,在每场战斗或冲突中,都是基于弥赛亚意识形态的帝国所做的,而不是普通国家,无论它们有多大或多强大。 尽管西方恐惧症患者对“复兴的俄罗斯”抱有病态和偏执的幻想,但现实是,俄罗斯外交官经常提到俄罗斯外交政策的真正目标是:化敌为中立,化中立为伙伴,化伙伴为朋友和朋友进入盟友。 这就是为什么科恩教授是绝对正确的,普京根本不是孤立主义者——他想要一个由主权国家组成的新的、多极的国际秩序; 不是因为他是一个天真的大眼睛的理想主义者,而是因为这对俄罗斯和她的人民来说是务实的好处。 你可以说普京是一个爱国的国际主义者。

现在是同性恋者和犹太人。 首先,科恩教授的两个断言都是正确的:同性恋者和犹太人在现代俄罗斯做得很好。 我什至同意他们比以往任何时候都做得更好。 当然,当我们这么说时,科恩教授和我都是事实而且非常肤浅。 而且由于我过去曾详细讨论过这两个主题(请参阅 此处 and 此处) 我不会在这里讨论它们。 相反,我只想说,在这两种情况下,我们都在谈论一小部分人,由于某种原因,他们的待遇被认为是衡量西方人性、善良、文明和现代性的标准。 好吧,好吧,各有各的。 如果在西方,这两个少数民族的待遇是宇宙中唯一且唯一最重要的话题——很好。 我个人并不在乎(尤其是因为我不觉得我对他们中的任何一个有任何特别的考虑)。 话虽如此,我还要声称普京的首要关注点也不是针对任何特定的少数群体。 然而,这确实是非常有趣的地方,他对大多数人的关注并不意味着对少数群体的基本自由和权利有任何形式的无视或不尊重,而是包括他对所有少数群体的关注(并且,在这种情况下,而不仅仅是两个被视为“比其他人更平等”的少数群体)。

这就是各种右翼分子和各种另类右翼分子完全“失去”普京的地方。 正是同一位普京告诉莫斯科的东正教犹太人大会 80-85% 的布尔什维克领导人是犹太人(见字幕视频 此处),上台后就粉碎了埃尔钦时代(绝大多数犹太人)寡头的普京,完全无视比比·内塔尼亚胡关于俄罗斯在叙利亚的角色的所有歇斯底里的普京,也是那个普京他不遗余力地保护俄罗斯境内的俄罗斯犹太人,他认为犹太人和俄罗斯人永远加入了他们对二战恐怖的共同记忆。

[侧边栏:我个人希望俄罗斯谴责以色列,一个不合法的种族主义流氓国家,一心要种族灭绝和扩张,但我在那里没有亲戚。 我也不是一个与全世界讲俄语的犹太社区有着密切联系的国家的总统。 在我看来,我只对我的良心和上帝负责,而普京对那些选举他并仍然支持他的人负责]。

结社罪、因某些人的行为而受到惩罚、替罪羊、以某种理想的名义对少数群体进行恶毒迫害——这一切在过去都曾尝试过,无论是在俄罗斯还是在西方。 纳粹这样做了,苏联也这样做了。 纳粹和苏联都对苏联及其他地区的许多人民造成了无法形容的恐怖。 普京敏锐地意识到民族主义的危险,正如他意识到帝国主义的危险一样,他多次说过:俄罗斯无法承受更多的民族主义冲突,因为它们在 1990 年代几乎完全摧毁了俄罗斯。 只要看看现代乌克兰,你就会看到如果普京没有严厉打击各种民族主义者(包括而且主要是俄罗斯民族主义者),一个被民族主义意识形态撕裂的俄罗斯会是什么样子。

普京远非迎合俄罗斯(公认的强大)犹太游说团体,事实上,他正试图 聚集 尽可能多的不同民族和少数民族参与他的新俄罗斯计划; 这个项目包括俄罗斯犹太人,不仅是为了这些犹太人, 但主要是为了俄罗斯. 俄罗斯的另一个重要少数群体——穆斯林也是如此。 它们也是普京为俄罗斯制定的项目的关键部分。 当然,俄罗斯的种族主义者、民族主义者和其他不太聪明的人仍然梦想着将所有犹太人(或穆斯林)驱逐出俄罗斯。 简而言之——这不会发生(一方面这在物理上是不可能的),普京和支持他的人将用他们可以使用的所有法律工具来对抗这些项目。 在这里,你可以说普京是一个爱国的国际主义者。

与此同时,西方仍然停留在旧的意识形态道路上:一方面是帝国主义、民族主义和弥赛亚排他主义,另一方面是对后现代主义、文化自我仇恨、小众政治和道德相对主义的完全投降。 因此,西方的两个主流阵营都完全误解了普京,无法弄清楚他在做什么,这也就不足为奇了。

科恩教授是对的:真正的普京与西方媒体向其无限轻信和僵尸化的观众呈现的伪普京完全没有任何共同之处。 唉,没有人会听科恩的话,至少在华盛顿特区的政权和支持它的权力结构以及它所代表的利益崩溃之前不会。 但我确实相信,科恩教授最终会成为美国最诚实、最勇敢的俄罗斯专家而载入史册。

 
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  1. I respect this commentator and respect Mr. Cohen and detest the power structure they are resisting. This seems to be a realistic appraisal of Putin’s role.

  2. peterAUS 说:

    Of course, racists, nationalists and other less than bright folks in Russia will still dream about expelling….

    Nationalists are less than bright folks?

    Or just nationalists in Russia? Russian nationalists that is. Only them.

    有趣。

    • 回复: @Thorfinnsson
  3. Cyrano 说:

    Guilt by association, the punishment of all for the actions of some, scapegoating, the vicious persecution of minorities in the name of some ideal – this has all been tried in the past, both in Russia and in the West. The Nazis did that and so did the Soviets.

    Saker, I know you want to sound egalitarian and fair, but comparing Nazi’s and Soviet treatment of minorities – come on man.

    Nazi’s mistreated minorities because of the fact that they were of different ethnicity, and that treatment was reserved for them only, and not for the Germans.

    In the Soviet Union, the mistreatment of minorities had more equal opportunity flavor – they didn’t want to make the minorities feel left out of the mistreatment that the ethnic Russians were receiving themselves.

    In other words, the USSR didn’t want to discriminate against the minorities by treating them differently than the ethnic Russians.

    Imagine how it would have felt from the minorities perspective if the USSR authorities refrained from sending them to the Gulag. They would have felt unloved and unworthy of receiving the same treatment as the Russians. Like they are not good enough to be sent to the Gulag.

    • 回复: @Wally
  4. yurivku 说:

    Thank you Saker. It was an interesting reading.

    Both of you – The Saker and prof. Cohen probably are right in yours conclusions about Putin and its role in world and Russia’s history. But:
    – he was appointed by Putin, as I.Shamir ( https://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-rich-also-cry/ ) said to guard Old Money;
    – he did alot for our country and really saved it from final crushing, but he could have done much more and he had not.

    I mean corruption questions when he behaves very selectively (keeping some corruptioners while fight with others, this looks like undercover fight), economy (thanks US imbeciles with sanctions which forced him to support internal productions and agriculture), he did almost nothing to get those oligarchs’s money work for country, he does invest to different unneeded projects (like football champ etc) not trying to help poorest part of our society, he still does nothing (even supports) 5th column (Chubais, Kudrin, Shuvalov, Gref …), building stupid Eltsin center ….

    So I, as well as many Russian, have a very contraditory feelings to him. After Crimea joined Russia we all gave him a big credit. Most than 90% of Russians happy of this, when root and lovely part of Russia returned home not to say about strategic meaning of that.
    But now credit is over and if we could see someone good enough to be compared with Putin – quite a significant part of a society is ready to vote for for such person.
    Unfortunately not now. Grudinin doesn’t seem to be real alternative, others are just clowns appointed to be faked alternatives.

    And the future of Russia is very vague.

    Alas, nobody will listen to Cohen, at least not until the regime in Washington DC and the power structure which supports it, and whose interests it represents, come crashing down.

    But, thanks to US neocons, it’s probaly no future at all going to happen, just getting back to stone age.
    Hope it’s a joke.
    唉。

  5. neutral 说:

    there is Anna Kushchenko (a.k.a. Anna Chapman) – a devious sex doll who seduces Western men into treason

    Western men that serve the virulently anti white regimes are the ones committing treason. Getting some action from some honeypot spy AND at the same time working against a regime that is openly hostile to whites (USA, UK, Germany, etc) – what exactly is the downside here?

  6. Renoman 说:

    Putin is the leader of the free World. A sensible man with a real set of nuts, he stands almost alone.

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  7. There are still some voices of reason left in the US. The most aggressive, dangerous and trigger-happy country in the world is the US Empire.

    http://www.newspronto.com/opinion/45229-the-demonization-of-president-vladimir-putin-must-stop

  8. yurivku 说:
    @yurivku

    – he was appointed by Putin,

    by Eltsin of cource, sorry

  9. Randal 说:

    科恩教授是对的:真正的普京与西方媒体向其无限轻信和僵尸化的观众呈现的伪普京完全没有任何共同之处。 唉,没有人会听科恩的话,至少在华盛顿特区的政权和支持它的权力结构以及它所代表的利益崩溃之前不会。 但我确实相信,科恩教授最终会成为美国最诚实、最勇敢的俄罗斯专家而载入史册。

    It’s very encouraging for me to get the impression that a genuine expert, such as Cohen is on Russia and on Putin, has reached the same broad conclusions about Putin as I have as a mere amateur (albeit long-time) observer of world events.

    It’s vaguely discouraging that on the particular issues of homosexuals and jewish influence Cohen is able to “reassure” the worst parts of his leftist and presumably political correctness-hobbled audience on Putin, but it’s not really a big concern for me. It would be better imo if Putin had wise views on those topics – “gays” are not a “minority” but rather just people who choose to engage in sexual perversion which ought, at the least, to not be officially encouraged, and jewish people are a recognisable ethnic/national/religious group, with broadly clear identity interests and external loyalties not necessarily congruent with those of the nations they live in, but it’s mostly not really any of my business or concern, except insofar as it plays into politics and international policy over here, since he’s the Russian president and I’m not Russian.

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  10. anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    Anyone who would bother to examine the issue would arrive at the same conclusions as Mr Cohen. Most Americans won’t but just rely on what the mass media transmits to them. The propaganda campaign against Putin depends on repeating the same themes over and over again hence the constant use of the term “thug” to influence the minds of the audience. The campaign against Putin is so vehement and shrill because of his effectiveness in building up the Russian state. Contrast it to the treatment Yeltsin received in the western media as a brave fighter for democracy with pics of him standing on top of a tank. Name calling can’t harm Putin or Russia even if it creates an unpleasant environment. After all, they have their army and can’t be aggressed against no matter any wishful thinking. The toxic haze is to get the western mind used to the idea that conflict with the Russians, or Putin, in inevitable and desirable to free the world of a dictator. Clinton appeared to want a no-fly zone over Syria and thus military confrontation was on the horizon over that and over other places. We were being prepared for that. That seems to have dissipated for the moment but the internal dynamic of US expansionism remains. What we don’t want to do is start believing our own baloney and blunder into any conflict that could cause a catastrophe.

    • 回复: @polskijoe
  11. peterAUS 说:
    @yurivku

    So I, as well as many Russian….

    But now credit is over and if we could see someone good enough to be compared with Putin – quite a significant part of a society is ready to vote for for such person.
    Unfortunately not now.

    And the future of Russia is very vague.

    内容丰富。

  12. bluedog 说:
    @yurivku

    As they say you can’t make everyone happy, for they could have always in their limited view and knowledge of what’s going on behind the scenes could always have done more,but the fact remains that Putin was the right person at the right time for Russia…

    • 回复: @yurivku
    , @yurivku
  13. @peterAUS

    The Faker, who lives in Florida and has only visited Russia once (Chechnya for some baffling reason), is well known as a massive cuck.

    This is why he’s always rambling about “shaitans” and talking about how lovely Mohammedans and Chechens are.

    Actual Russians hate Chechens and other vermin from the North Caucasus, and the most common slogan of Russian nationalists on this topic is, “Stop feeding the Caucasus!”

  14. peterAUS 说:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Actual Russians hate Chechens and other vermin from the North Caucasus, and the most common slogan of Russian nationalists on this topic is, “Stop feeding the Caucasus!”

    我知道。

    It’s just sort of funny reading his

    rambling about “shaitans” and talking about how lovely Mohammedans and Chechens are.

    Easy from Florida I guess.

    He’d probably change his angle after living for a year in Caucus.
    Not visiting…living there.

    He is Putin fanboy. They all believe that appeasement will work.
    Or….more practical/cynical among them simply care that it works while they are around.
    10, 20 years from now is not their concern.

    • 回复: @Thales the Milesian
  15. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @Renoman

    TN的Anon
    You wrote: “Putin is the leader of the free World. A sensible man with a real set of nuts, he stands almost alone”.
    In my view, you grossly overestimate Putin. He is a normal man, capable and intelligent, but he is not by any means that larger-than-life leader and savior of the free World. He looks much greater than he is because you subconsciously compare him with pathetic nonentities that the Western world sees as leaders now. In fact, the leadership of the US Empire and all its vassal countries visibly degenerated in the last decades. Just compare De Gaulle with sad excuses La Belle France had for presidents lately. Or compare Nixon (he might have been a nasty person, but he was a great President of the country) with various clintons, bushes, obamas, and trumps. Or compare Chancellor Kohl with that poor excuse for a chancellor that Germany has today. You get the drift.
    Putin’s Russia punches much more than its economic power warrants for the simple reason that he plays chess, seeing many moves ahead, whereas Western leaders he deals with don’t even have enough brains to play checkers. He is often winning the game with weak hand not so much because he is great, but because his opponents are clueless. I’d say he, Chinese Xi, and Israel’s Bibi look so smart not because they are geniuses, but because they are dealing with morons.

    • 同意: bluedog, Cyrano, yurivku
  16. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @Randal

    TN的Anon
    As a biologist, I disagree with your view that gays “chose” to be what they are. Attraction to your own sex is not a choice you make: it’s a psychiatric disorder. Nobody chooses schizophrenia or psychosis, it’s a disease the sufferers can’t help having. For that reason gays should not be punished for the disorder they have, but that disorder cannot be considered a norm, either.

    • 同意: RadicalCenter
    • 回复: @Randal
    , @polskijoe
    , @yurivku
  17. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @Thorfinnsson

    来自田纳西州的 Anon。
    Sorry to disappoint you, but when the Russians saw the example of Ukraine after 2014 they understood the destructive power of primeval tribal nationalism. That’s why after the Ukrainian coup popular support for Russian nationalists nosedived. Let me remind you that neither Kadyrov, nor Shoigu, nor Lavrov are ethnic Russians, yet they are perceived by many in the country as super-Russians. Many in today’s Russia hold the view that Russian is not a nationality, but a state of mind. Let me remind you the words of former commander of Gorlovka (Donetsk Republic) Bezler: “My mother is Ukrainian, my father German, so who am I? A Russian!”

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @JustJeff
  18. AP 说:

    Let me remind you the words of former commander of Gorlovka (Donetsk Republic) Bezler: “My mother is Ukrainian, my father German, so who am I? A Russian!”

    He would more accurately have stated – “My mother is Ukrainian, my father German, so who am I? A Sovok!”

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  19. Randal 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    My view on the matter is that no man can choose the temptations to which he is subject, but every man is responsible for those to which he succumbs. And one is no more a homosexual merely for being tempted to have sex with another man than one is a murderer merely for having murderous thoughts about one’s fellows.

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  20. Dan Hayes 说:

    造物主

    For the last four years I have listened to Prof Steve Cohen being interviewed on the John Batchelor radio show. In those discussions I have always been struck by Cohen’s equanimity, scholarship and sense of fair play. (As an aside, I have also been struck by his seemingly fond regard for being reared and educated in Kentucky which at that time was still semi-segregated.)

    Cohen oftentimes contrasts the Old Cold War where various viewpoints were on the table versus the one-sidedness of the New Cold War. And he especially castigates his fellow left wingers for failing to consider alternative viewpoints. Note that Cohen is associated with 民族 magazine, a leftist publication edited and subsidized by his wife.

    As of now Cohen is a lone voice crying out in the wilderness. I concur with your judgement and it is my hope that history will honor him for his efforts.

    • 回复: @RobinG
  21. polskijoe 说:
    @anonymous

    Amongst people who tend to really distrust, dislike people, where we are called Russian agents, or Russians.
    I have studied lots about Russia, especially since 1990 plus.

    I also came to similar over years as Cohen.
    There is no plan for USSR rebirth, or tanks rolling to Poland and Berlin,
    or even returning to super power status (at least unlikely).

    In 1990 the Russians were in very poor state, and now they have returned to world power status.
    I think its important to have bipolar world. (even multipolar would be better).

    Now I dont love Russians, Im still mixed on Putin, but I think
    Russians and Putin have made some positive changes.
    I can respect that. Average Russian, morals are similar to mine (and the same can be said of most Slavics).

    • 回复: @Twodees Partain
  22. polskijoe 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    There are various theories about homosexuals.

    Whether something happened during pregancy,
    whether the child was attacked, raped.
    whether society or chemicals effect.

    I dont think they choose their orientation either,
    but certainly their actions (sodomy, and other weird things) are a choice.

    • 回复: @Johnny Rico
    , @AnonFromTN
  23. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @AP

    来自田纳西州的 Anon。
    Well, current Ukrainian regime is a lot more “Sovok” than those who resist it. At least if by “Sovok” you mean rampant corruption, widespread unprofessionalism, and obsession with a totally loony ideology.

  24. RobinG 说:
    @Dan Hayes

    “Cohen is a lone voice crying out in the wilderness.”

    Feels that way, but he’s not totally alone. For example, I believe most members of VIPS (Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity) feel about the same. And he’s a board member of the American Committee for East-West Accord.
    https://eastwestaccord.com/

    • 同意: Dan Hayes
  25. nebulafox 说:

    I neither like nor dislike Putin. He is what he is, he’s in charge of Russia, he needs to be dealt with.

    >He is not the man who de-democratized Russia (Elstin and the White House did)

    When was Russia ever democratic to begin with? Tsarism, civil war, Communism, oligarchy, Putin. That’s pretty much been it. And that’s OK. Russia is a massively different culture. But the US isn’t to blame.

    >He is not the leader who created corruption and kleptocracy in Russia (Elstin and the White House did)

    No. Corruption began to really take off in the 1970s under Brezhnev, and that’s when the Russian mafia began to strongly collaborate with the government, breaking the old vor code. The KGB remained above it all, but Putin was the product of a corrupt society from the get-go.

    Following the collapse of the USSR, yes, everything got a lot more explicit and out-there. But the rot didn’t just appear overnight.

    >He is not a criminal leader who ordered the murder of opponents or journalists (no evidence)

    I don’t find it hard to believe, but I don’t care enough to find out one way or the other. What Putin does in his own country is, or should be, his own business. Properly conducted foreign policy cares about the external actions of foreign nations, not their internal ones, but that’s anathema to American political culture-on both sides of the political spectrum.

    Besides, I can’t really label a single group in society I could care less about than journalists.

    >He did not order the hacking of the DNC servers (no evidence)

    Again: I don’t find it hard to believe he did, but I don’t think it is as relevant as the Democrats would like it to be. Intelligence services can exacerbate political conditions. They cannot create them. Putin did not force Hillary to run arguably the most inept campaign in American political history, losing in spite of the near uniform backing of everything “official” in the US. Unless you believe Moscow magically spawned millions of pissed off downscale white voters in the Rust Belt, try again.

    Moreover, Putin definitely wanted Trump to create political chaos in the US. Whether he wanted him in the White House is an open matter. Though he’s friendlier than Hillary on a lot of foreign policy issues, he’s surrounded by standard issue GOP hawks who influence everything, and he must be disappointed. Furthermore, like all authoritarian rulers, Putin wants stability. (That’s why, prior to Bush II, most authoritarian governments in the world-especially Russia and China-openly preferred Republicans in charge.) Trump is anything but.

    >He was not anti-US or anti-West from the get-go (Putin changed over time)

    Correct. He’s changed over the years.

    >He is not a neo-Soviet leader (he is very critical of Lenin and Stalin)

    Very critical of Lenin, which should surprise no one given that Lenin himself was far more fond of Western culture-specifically German-than Russia, who he thought of as a backward, “Asiatic” place. As I’ve said, the KGB following Stalin’s purges was arguably the least ideologically Communist place in the USSR, at least compared to their major two rivals-the military and party-in the ever ongoing three-war political struggle that characterized post-Stalin Russia.

    More ambiguous with Stalin. He’s been making noises about replacing Volgograd’s name around the anniversery of the battle back to the old Stalingrad. I think he holds the standard views that Russians his age hold of Stalin. I think they’ll readily agree that he’s probably in hell if it exists right now, and showed there was such a thing as being too fond of law and order, but he was *他们的* SOB and got them through the war.

    >He is not an aggressive foreign policy leader (he has been a reactive leader)

    He is primarily defensive, yes. Partially by necessity-his Russia just can’t project power like the USSR could-but also because, unlike the USSR, his Russia is not governed by an ideology that necessarily implies eventual expansionism.

    >He is not somehow defined by his years at the KGB.

    He’s partially defined by them, but not in the way people think. The KGB was, by the time Putin was in the organization, far and away the least ideologically Communist place in the USSR and saw their main function as protecting what was essentially an old-style Muscovite imperium with Marxist trappings from the spoiled, corrupt party princelings-who they did not allow into the organization. The KGB was the only place someone like Putin could have accelerated, given that 1970s USSR had one of the lowest social mobility rates in the world, contrary to the propaganda. Chekist thinking is very evident in his public pronouncements, his actions, and his beliefs about how life works. It’s pretty obvious. Putin’s regime is the first in history to be dominated by former security and intelligence professionals to this extent. Most of his inner circle-former intelligence officers.

    However, equally important is old-style Tsarist Orthodox-laden Slavophilism, and just plain greed and venality. The third one is overlooked. I think Putin’s real first goal, all things balanced, is staying in charge, on top, and wealthy. That means keeping the various turf lords in check and satisfied. It works for now. What happens to the sand-castle when he dies is a different matter.

    That’s it. Goodbye Unz.

  26. @polskijoe

    Yeah. “There are various theories” but “certainly” yours is the correct one.

    You are as bad as the Saker. Saying something is “undeniable” is an old Marxist mannerism.

    It is more a sign that you have no evidence or logic to back up your case.

    “Other weird things.” How scientific. Oh, yeah. Makes perfect sense. Hahahaaaaa!

    • 回复: @Cyrano
    , @polskijoe
  27. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @polskijoe

    来自田纳西州的 Anon。
    Yes, the cause of the disease is unclear (likely it can be either genetic, or acquired, or both to a different extent in each case). The cause of schizophrenia and most psychiatric disorders is also unclear. There is often genetic predisposition of various strengths, but environment usually plays a role. However, diseased person cannot choose the symptoms, they come with the disease.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  28. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @Randal

    TN的Anon
    I am not talking about temptations. Heterosexual men can be tempted to have sex with various women, but most select one (or few) to actually have sex with. I am sure homosexual men can also be tempted by many, but get close to few. The difference is that biologically normal males are tempted by females, and females by males, whereas homosexuals are tempted by persons of their own sex. One can argue that there is always celibacy as an option, but it actually damages people mentally and sometimes physically. So, as a biologist, I know that its abnormal, but I wouldn’t be judgmental. You cannot blame a blind person for the inability to see. But you don’t let blind people drive cars or fly airplanes, either.

    • 回复: @yurivku
    , @Randal
  29. yurivku 说:
    @bluedog

    Actually not the worst person, not the “right” one.

    • 回复: @bluedog
    , @Sergey Krieger
  30. Cyrano 说:
    @Johnny Rico

    Don’t just leave it like that. Criticizing someone’s theory, without coming up with your own – superior one. How did it happen?

    Is it because of the freedom, the democracy – which is where the west really shines in comparison with the ex-communist states.

    Is it because democracy allows you to choose between man and woman (how wonderful) and the brutal communist dictatorships – if you were a man -forced you to sleep with women only (how awful).

  31. yurivku 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    but that disorder cannot be considered a norm, either.

    Agree. But despite knowing that it’s another taboo,I would say not only consider them anormal, but we should isolate those “gays” from normal society (at least fom childs) for they always try to reproduce theirs behaviour

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  32. yurivku 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    You cannot blame a blind person for the inability to see. But you don’t let blind people drive cars or fly airplanes, either.

    Exactly, but it’s (blind driving) what all West human rights fighters say.

  33. yurivku 说:
    @bluedog

    Got to PC, writing from smartphone is unhandy

    As they say you can’t make everyone happy, for they could have always in their limited view and knowledge of what’s going on behind the scenes could always have done more

    Exactly, but I think you know not more that me here in Russia “what’s going on behind the scenes”.
    And yes, probably there are hidden reasons for his behaviour, but I’ve written what many (I beleive the majority) of Russians think. Of cource not all, there are some absolute fans of him and absolute enemies, BTW mainly latter are jews for unknown reasons.

    but the fact remains that Putin was the right person at the right time for Russia…

    bold assertion – “the fact”.
    It’s not the fact, – it’s your opinion, not more. Yes, It could have been much worse person, but could have been much better. Or you think he’s an ideal?

    Nobody denies his achivements, but I mentioned also his (actually ours) losses or mistakes.

    • 回复: @bluedog
    , @Twodees Partain
    , @chris
  34. Wally 说:
    @Cyrano

    The better-at-military matters-than historical-facts Saker said:
    “And both the Nazis and the Soviets inflicted untold horrors upon the many peoples of the Soviet Union and beyond.”

    Except the ‘Nazis’ did not do what is alleged and there is no proof that they did. Simple as that.

    College freshman-like Cyrano said:
    “Nazi’s mistreated minorities because of the fact that they were of different ethnicity, and that treatment was reserved for them only, and not for the Germans.”

    Except that the Nazis did no such thing. That unsupportable claim merely an indication of his Zionist indoctrination which is easily debunked.
    例如:
    杰克·威科夫(Jack Wikoff)纳粹灭绝同性恋的神话 http://www.cwporter.com/homo.htm
    营地中的吉普赛人和同性恋者 http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1894
    同性恋者– Yad Vashem…http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1930

    The ‘minorities, homosexuals & gypsies’ canard is merely an attempt by Jews to buy votes for their laughable and impossible ‘6M & gas chambers’.

    “ 6万犹太人,5万其他犹太人和毒气室”在科学上是不可能的欺诈行为。
    请参阅此处揭穿的“大屠杀”骗局: http://codoh.com
    没有名字的呼唤,在这里进行公平的竞争环境辩论: http://forum.codoh.com

    • 回复: @tac
  35. polskijoe 说:
    @Johnny Rico

    Oh dear, must have struck mr neocons nerves.

    To be clear I said its not certain in regards to homosexual orientation (how it starts).
    What I said is that their actions are choices.
    Going to a fag parade, sodomy, abusing children by adopting them, are examples. they know what they are doing.

    This is a forum, not a phd science class. Homos do a lot of weird things.

    哈哈!

  36. Randal 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    I am not talking about temptations.

    You are not reading what I wrote, either.

    You use “homosexual” to mean anyone who is tempted to have sex with another person of the same sex. I do not. I use the term, more correctly imo even if not the fashionable usage today, to mean only someone who actually engages in sex with another person of the same sex. Analogous to the term “adulterer”, say. Many men are tempted to have sex with women other than their wives, but they are not thereby adulterers.

    To use the term as you do conflates two significantly different things (people who experience temptation to engage in homosexual activity , with those who choose to do so), and that (very conveniently for some, which is why it is used that way) allows personal responsibility for the latter to be hidden. It’s an old equivalent of the modern idea of a “sex addict”, that tries to conceal personal responsibility for womanizing by medicalising it as a condition of some kind.

    It might well be the case that each is indeed a condition, but it needs always to be remembered also that giving in to temptation is always and in every case a matter of personal choice, and therefore responsibility. Just don’t do it, because it’s wrong. A society that instead pretends such behaviour is not wrong is a decadent, corrupt and damaged society.

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  37. bluedog 说:
    @yurivku

    Who would you have recommended?…

    • 回复: @yurivku
  38. Vladimir Brovkin [又名“ Vlad”] 说:

    萨克很好地解释了科恩对普京的立场,而这一立场被西方主流媒体误解了。 科恩基本上是在试图表明普京是一个正常的领导人,准备与美国合作,捍卫自己国家的国家利益。 他的姿势一直是防御性的。 科恩正试图与自由派和纽约犹太人讲道理。 他试图说服他们主流媒体在撒谎。 美好的。
    但这并不能解释普京的议程是什么。 萨克走得更远。 他确实解释了普京的大部分过去和现在。 但仍有分歧的余地。 萨克尔辩称,普京一直知道美国的邪恶意图,并在乌克兰被美国接管后公开透露这些知识。 这里我不同意。 当布什来到俄罗斯时,普京以真诚的热情迎接他。 普京当时确实希望俄罗斯和美国能够翻页并开始新的关系。 那没有发生。 北约的扩张反而发生了。 这就是普京开始重新考虑的时候。 我和萨克的不同之处在于,我认为普京仍然不知道他对美国的政策应该是什么。 他仍然希望特朗普能够兑现他在选举前的承诺。 普京仍然对2003年俄罗斯、德国、法国和意大利共同反对美国伊拉克战争的那一刻心存感激。 他仍然渴望德国总理和意大利领导人成为他私人朋友的日子。 他当时希望并且今天仍然希望将欧洲吸引到俄罗斯并从内部破坏北约。
    然而,乌克兰冲突彻底打乱了这个梦想项目。 我对萨克尔最重要的反对意见是,普京不知道如何处理乌克兰问题,也没有针对乌克兰的政策。 他能忍受任何俄罗斯领导人都无法忍受的事情。 美国人正在武装乌克兰新纳粹分子与俄罗斯开战。 而普京什么都不做。 美国人在叙利亚公开武装恐怖分子,他们射击俄罗斯飞机,而俄罗斯什么也没做。 基本上,普京把敌人变成伙伴,把伙伴变成朋友,把朋友变成盟友的政策在叙利亚取得了部分成功,但在乌克兰却失败了。 他会等到美国在乌克兰建立导弹吗? 他会接受乌克兰事实上的北约成员国身份吗? 他不会越过的红线在哪里?

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  39. Cohen is a Communist and reflexive hater of the United States in the Noam Chomsky mold. He is either naive or a fool if he believes half of what he is saying.

    Russia never had a decent shot at democracy. The collapse of the Soviet Union was arranged by the Nomenklatura for their own benefit as a massive asset grab. The fight between Yeltsin and the Russian Parliament was basically a fight between two factions, and the Yeltsin/KGB faction beat the CPSU/Red Manager faction. Putin is very much a product of and continuation of the Yeltsin/KGB team (notice, for example, the role that Chubais continues to play in government policy), but the current team realizes how hated Yeltsin is and are smart enough to create plausible distance for public consumption. For the most part the Putin years have been a failure, and these last two decades will be seen as squandered. Very little economic growth, continuing deterioration of the education and health systems, increasing dependence on China and massive transfers of wealth abroad. Those are Putin’s primary achievements. On the plus side, Western sanctions have been a net benefit to Russia over the last three years – keeping capital in the country and giving the agricultural, food processing and light manufacturing industries some room to breathe and develop free from Western competition.

    • 同意: AP
    • 回复: @bike-anarchist
    , @gogis
  40. Btw, “Eltsin” is a stupid transliteration. His name is “Ельцин” not “Эльцин”. I thought the Saker knew some Russian.

    • 回复: @yurivku
  41. yurivku 说:
    @bluedog

    Who would you have recommended?…

    Good question. Probably it was a sarcasm and you think you proved I’m wrong?
    After all the answer depends on what you trying to get. For US probably Sobchak will be just fine, for people of Russia who want peace and prosperity the answer will be certainly other.

    I put it quite clear

    But now credit is over and if we could see someone good enough to be compared with Putin – quite a significant part of a society is ready to vote for for such person.
    Unfortunately not now.

    Unfortunately I see no specific person

    Grudinin doesn’t seem to be real alternative, others are just clowns appointed to be faked alternatives.

    But as for me personally I (大概 , I’m still watching for his electoral company) will vote for Grudinin cause he’s representing patriotic block, not himself only.

  42. yurivku 说:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Cohen is a Communist and reflexive hater of the United States in the Noam Chomsky mold. He is either naive or a fool if he believes half of what he is saying.

    He’s fool and you probably are very clever man. Share with us your wisdom – what 你的建议 for Russia’s future and hers president ?

    Seems like you’ll want someone from liberal 5th column? Luckily they have no chances, people hates them, so do I.

    Btw, “Eltsin” is a stupid transliteration. His name is “Ельцин” not “Эльцин”. I thought the Saker knew some Russian.

    Just another indication of your enormous IQ -)) Some of us trying to think not just to show theirs ego and achievements in English seeking for typos etc.
    Eltsin just fine to me, enough to say that no enemies did so much harm as he and his team did.

  43. FB 说:

    Another useless article by this author…

    And oh, the irony…

    This author…who regularly publishes Judeophobic rants…now extolling a Jewish-American scholar…and even commenting with approval on Prof. Cohen’s positive assessment of Jewish-Russian relations…

    Well that is quite rich…the 轻弹 is the last person on earth who would have any credibility on Jewish-Russian relations…he has made that quite clear…

    • 巨魔: L.K, Twodees Partain
    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  44. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @Randal

    TN的Anon
    Yes, I look at homosexuality from a purely biological (or medical, if you will) perspective. Assuming that you are a Christian, commandments in the Bible (Old Testament) express a view very different from yours: “You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife” (repeated in Exodus 20:17, Deuteronomy 5:21). I do agree that people are only responsible for their actions, although the New Testament also looks at it differently: “For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts …” (Mark 7.21-23).

  45. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @yurivku

    TN的Anon
    I don’t think that you need to isolate gays from heterosexual society any more than you need to isolate people with other mental disorders: isolation is justified only when these people become a threat to others. I do agree, though, that the society should not allow gays adopt children, for the same reason that it does not issue driver’s licenses to blind people.

    • 回复: @yurivku
  46. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @yurivku

    TN的Anon
    You are free to vote any way you want. However, I’d like to remind you that Russia already had one Director of Sovkhoz as president (Gorbachev), and nothing good came out of it.

    • 回复: @yurivku
  47. bluedog 说:
    @yurivku

    The fact is the question I ask who in your mind would have done better and why…

    • 回复: @yurivku
  48. Shemp 说:

    Cohen could go further. One of the curious fixations of US public discourse is reducing the country to a leader, when the most comprehensive standard of governance assigns duties to the state as a whole. Anyone can compare Russia and the USA point by point.

    http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/Indicators/Pages/HRIndicatorsIndex.aspx

    http://www.ohchr.org/EN/countries/LACRegion/Pages/USIndex.aspx

    http://www.ohchr.org/EN/countries/ENACARegion/Pages/RUIndex.aspx

    Comparing US and Russian human rights protections, it’s evident that Putin’s Russia undertakes to meet world human rights standards in good faith, and the USA does not. Russians get a better deal than we do.

  49. bluedog 说:
    @yurivku

    No it was not sarcasm nor intended to be, but the simple fact that I wanted to know who in your mind could/would have done better for Russia and its people..

    • 回复: @yurivku
  50. yurivku 说:
    @bluedog

    So sorry, hope i’ve answered. But actually I see no ideal candidate. And it’s partly because Putin didnot allow real candidates to appear

    • 回复: @Erebus
  51. yurivku 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    Thank u to alow me this. I do remember everything and be sure for me it’s more vital than to u living abroad. But its strange to hear it from scientist, not enough data to build such a conclusion

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  52. yurivku 说:
    @bluedog

    If my opinion really matters i’ll write more later, now from phone its abit difficult.
    I can only say that we need clever, honest patriotic person which is not easy task u know. Especially if u are from US, every elections believe that most stupid people we already seen and its cant be worst, but I’m mistaken. Compare for ex Samanta Power and N. Haley or Obama and Trump

    • 回复: @bluedog
  53. yurivku 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    Yes we need to isolate those cause they will do their dirty job with childs and u have no enough police to watch. They aggressively set theirs habits remember lgbt parades etc

    • 回复: @Sergey Krieger
  54. bluedog 说:
    @yurivku

    Yes I would be interested in your opinion, and yes I do live in the U.S. and yes your right that just when you think the worse has arrived then on the scene one always worse arrives to makes you out as a lair…

    • 回复: @yurivku
  55. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @yurivku

    TN的Anon
    You are right, this is not a scientific conclusion. Politics are not science.
    I agree that Putin is not a perfect leader. His foreign policy is smart and successful (hence the US hysterics). But his internal policies are far from admirable: he allows oligarchs to plunder the country and even transfer their loot abroad. A big chunk of state budget is stolen by those close to the trough, but you have to keep in mind that even greater chunk of state budget is stolen by “contractors” in the US and other countries (F35 program and Zumwalt are the best known examples, but there are many more). Thing is, the politics are the game of the possible. I am not sure Putin can maintain his international stance and his position in Russia and antagonize the whole ruling class at the same time. I disapprove of his “vertical” – Russia is not Lichtenstein, it’s a huge country that cannot be directly ruled by one person. I also believe that Russia cannot afford to have a total nonentity as a Prime Minister, with only one redeeming (from Putin’s standpoint) quality: loyalty.
    However, I’ve heard a few of Grudinin’s speeches, and they were very disappointing, to put it mildly. It is nice to say that you want to confiscate oligarch’s money (after all, they just stole it), stop capital flight, nationalize natural resources, etc. It might sound good for the electorate, but without specifying means of achieving these goals, this is pure demagoguery. There is only one way to do all of it, and this way is called “socialism”, like in the USSR. Problem is, this comes in a package: you must make rouble not freely convertible into other currencies, you must strictly control the movement of people across the border, you must introduce planned or at least semi-planned economy, etc. You cannot pick and choose, no more than you can be a little bit pregnant: it is a yes or no thing. If Grudinin does not understand that, he is not smart enough to be president. If he understands it, but does not acknowledge, he is simply dishonest. Many of the other candidates are just clowns supported by the Kremlin to play this role (think Zhirinovsky). Besides, Russia should have as the president someone who cares about the country more than about him/herself (this excludes Sobchak: she is smart, but she cares only about her precious self), and certainly not a traitor running to the US Embassy for money and marching orders (you should know who I mean). Thus, in my humble opinion, Putin, warts and all, is still the best president Russia can have at the moment.

    • 回复: @yurivku
  56. yurivku 说:
    @bluedog

    From phone..
    Well, its funny, I just dont understand who are the God sake US people here on UNZ, from different sources I see Americans happy with one more Russian killed in Syria. You know we call Americans “pindosy” ( пиндосы ) I actually not sure what its mean, but its clear that its a most degree of disgust. And further its going the more our disgust.
    And its between two most powerful countries in the world.
    Are u Americans have any feelings of selfdefence? Actually all red lines crossed and everything ready for apocalypse

    • 回复: @bluedog
  57. yurivku 说:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Thanx Sergey, its not post, just a cry. Well, im joking. Probably

    • 回复: @Sergey Krieger
  58. yurivku 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    Pbone.
    I’ll answer,later. But just understand that for us its a live question, well probably for the whole world also, but this stupid world doesn’t know it yet

  59. @yurivku

    People of Lenin and Stalin caliber do not happen often. I think Putin is sort of transitional figure. However the main issue since Stalin times seems to be lack of systematic approach in bringing up and then putting in power capable leaders and in reality lots of fools getting up there. I believe fools essentially destroyed ussr as saying goes fool is more dangerous than enemy. Long topic but it is really a murky question as to where Russia is going with 70% of everything in few hands and stolen funds siphoned offshore.

  60. @yurivku

    Yuri, gays are so yesterday in northern America. It is various transgender and gender confused persons that are all rage. Hymn of Canada is being changed to make it gender neutral. Basically Satan himself would not do better job. Awfully looks like some dark powers at work. What’s interesting all these trends started with the fall of ussr. Coincidental? I do not think so. Overall, these freaks lost fear and to get thing under control eventually there must be violence. Society and kids must be protected.

    • 回复: @yurivku
  61. @yurivku

    Not only you. Last 33 years has been “interesting” times. I cannot believe in 1985 future for all of us looked so bright. Not without issues, but not this.

    • 回复: @yurivku
  62. bluedog 说:
    @yurivku

    Oh I don’t think most Americans are glad to see another Russian killed, at least not the sane ones that is,or anyone else for that matter but our so called leadership is quite a different matter, and the farther down the rabbit hole we go the worse it becomes as the best government money can buy goes into overdrive,for I suspect it will get a whole lot worse before it even starts to get and better…

    • 回复: @yurivku
  63. @yurivku

    What are your thoughts on Shoigu? He sems to be honest and have Russia’s best interests at heart

    • 回复: @yurivku
  64. @yurivku

    Cohen’s career got a second life after the fall of the USSR. In his first life, he was a leftist hippie apologist with a prurient interest in communism. He was wrong 100% of the time.

    • 回复: @yurivku
  65. yurivku 说:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Yes, i’ve heard about this, but still can not imagine the scale it had on the west in common and Canada in particular. Disgusting. We have some stupids (again mainly jews) who struggle for humans to have rights on theirs asses, but luckily our society is not rotten yet.

    • 回复: @Sergey Krieger
  66. yurivku 说:
    @The Scalpel

    He’s a dark horse and I know almost nothing about him. There are rumours Putin gonna appoint Shoigu as his descendant, but Shoigu himself keeps silence.

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
  67. yurivku 说:
    @Sergey Krieger

    “I cannot believe in 1985 future for all of us looked so brigh”

    Does this mean that you were leaving Russia with happy mood?

    • 回复: @Sergey Krieger
  68. yurivku 说:
    @bluedog

    Aren’t you funny people Americans? The so called “lidership” leads you to abyss and u do nothing, just complain a little in internet.
    Faggots behave much more actively – the demonstrate theirs desires, so future belongs to them, i’m afraid

    • 回复: @Sergey Krieger
  69. yurivku 说:
    @Prof. Woland

    Just another professor appered. I think its a wrong resource for u. You can be underestimated here -)

  70. @yurivku

    Eltsin just fine to me, enough to say that no enemies did so much harm as he and his team did.

    Putin is on the same team as Yeltsin. In this the Russians learned very well from the Americans. If you offer the people the appearance of an alternative they will be thrilled. Just don’t offer the people a real alternative.

    • 回复: @yurivku
  71. @AnonFromTN

    If Kadyrov is indeed “Russian,” then neither I nor any normal person would want anything to do with Russia.

    Fortunately, nobody perceives Kadyrov as a Russian apart from terminal stage Putinism of the brain sufferers, who tend to congregate at The Saker’s blog.

    Both Shoigu and Lavrov are half-Russians.

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  72. @yurivku

    The interesting thing about Shoigu – apart from his large-scale corruption – is that he was against the Crimean operation in 2014 (according to Zygar’s All the Kremlin’s Men).

    So basically a worthy successor to Putin.

  73. @Anatoly Karlin

    Anatoly, would it be reasonable to ask whatever became of “Soviet Expert” Condi Rice? NSA and SecState to “W”, one each? Did she not oversee some part of the banking and diplomatic accommodations toward the oligarchs over there that raped Russia? Prior to that, she was on Reagan and GHW Bush’s team. Thoughts? Or was she always an EEOC placeholder? She is at Augusta National, she’s a member.

  74. yurivku 说:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Why do u posting such a bs? Yes, Putin came from Eltsin team, but he not destroying but buildin country. And dont speak for all russians, we certainly differ from your imaginations of us

    • 回复: @AP
    , @Johnny Rico
  75. yurivku 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Hope it’s just a dirty fake. But who knows…

  76. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    TN的Anon
    Russians have a whole range of different feelings about Kadyrov. These feelings change depending on the events. Let me remind you that Kadyrov visited Kiev in 2014, scared the shit out of Ukrainian “leaders”, and secured an unconditional release of two Russian journalists, Oleg Sidyakin and Marat Saichenko:
    https://www.rt.com/news/161344-ukraine-russian-jounalists-released/
    This greatly increased his approval inside Russia.
    As to Shoigu, he is indeed half-Russian. In contrast, Lavrov is half-Georgian and half-Armenian.
    Anyway, my point was that blood ethnicity does not matter as much in Russia today. Primeval tribal feelings became scarce after the coup in Ukraine in 2014. That was a huge boon for Russia of the coup organized by the US and its vassals. One can easily argue that this change strengthened Russia, contrary to the expectations of those who invested \$5 billion into making Ukraine the shithole it is now. Talk of unintended consequences.

    • 回复: @AP
  77. AP 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    Let me remind you that Kadyrov visited Kiev in 2014,

    Naive victim of Russian fairytales continues to believe various fairy tales. This is a new one, of course.

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  78. AP 说:
    @yurivku

    He captured you perfectly.

    • 回复: @yurivku
  79. @yurivku

    You have a lot of good thoughts. Don’t you think it might be a good idea to learn English?

    • 回复: @yurivku
  80. @yurivku

    What good mood? I was leaving from Uzbekistan. I remember new year 1992. We celebrated new year, I was drunk and depressed. I had no illusion as to we were fucked. Actually I was sensing already before 1991 as already in 1989 summer after returning from China internship and seeing crazy changes within one year I told my dad it would have been good idea to start moving back to Russia. Bit was not heard. Actually many from our “voennogo gorodka” started looking for this options when it wad still possible. After 1992 Gaidar reform and disintegration it becomes not easy task. I still have friends eho stuck there.

    • 回复: @yurivku
  81. @yurivku

    The most important is to destroy this sort of tendencies before they take off as a trend. Regarding Jews. When state is strong and coherent they might play positive role while those of them who dare must be suppressed. However, being genetical opportunists , when state gets weak, Jewish community acts as swamp from where dangerous viruses and bacteria spread. Berezovski used to be math professor but when he so opportunity he turned into virus and so did many. Not all of course much percentage wise enough to have statistical significance. Caucasians also sensing weakness immediately used their chance but being primitive they are not as dangerous except for their birth rates compared to Russians.

    • 回复: @yurivku
  82. yurivku 说:
    @Johnny Rico

    Thanx, just when you got some Russian, i’ll ask u for English lessons. But until then just f##k off.

    • 同意: RobinG, bluedog, RadicalCenter
    • 回复: @Anonymous
  83. @yurivku

    I believe it is all divide and rule strategy by western elites. Gender, race. It is far easier to control and fleece when steeple is distracted and confused, unity, moral and ethics are destroyed. With Soviet union in place as other choice and pole it would have never happened even in the West. And frankly, were ussr still in place the West would have been completely bankrupt by now. Our resources bought them 20 years. Why do you think so much hatred towards Russia? Imagine your favorite meal refusing to get eaten but actually fighting back successfully.

    • 回复: @yurivku
  84. yurivku 说:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Sergey, I ‘ve asked just after u said about bright expectations. Sorry. Actually for me every one who consider our country as Motherland is precious and should be kept and helped.
    See trolls are under attack, dont know which .. but ill refresh my english and continue to spread the simple words of reason

    • 回复: @Sergey Krieger
    , @yurivku
  85. yurivku 说:
    @AP

    AFAIR u are from khohols ? Just fly down, I wont speak with a shithole representatives

    • 回复: @AP
  86. yurivku 说:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Sergey, if u’ll come to Russia, just cal me my email is yurivku then l dot ru, try to write. Ill be happy to help if I can

  87. yurivku 说:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Sergey, I dont give my explanations and underderstandings when I just fix the presence of jews here and there. Of cource I have an explanation, but I keep it for now. But as always they are here.

  88. @yurivku

    Future looked bright in 1985 when I finished school. Misunderstanding.

  89. AP 说:
    @yurivku

    Try to write in better English.

    • 回复: @Cyrano
  90. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @AP

    Yea, truth hurts. Losers are particularly vulnerable. My condolences.

    • 回复: @AP
  91. AP 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    So in your world Kadyrov came to Kiev in 2014? Very funny.

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  92. @Vladimir Brovkin

    普京和希特勒一样的主要缺陷是低估了他的对手对他和俄罗斯的敌意。 然而,他确实知道俄罗斯还没有准备好打一场大战,因此谨慎行事是理所当然的。 他曾反击北约试图关闭俄罗斯进入黑海的企图。 他实际上是帮助叙利亚避免 Zio-American 恐怖活动的救世主,并至少暂时停止了他们对 ME 的持续破坏。 我会说到目前为止,他的牌打得相当不错。

  93. Cyrano 说:
    @AP

    I urge you to demand from him that he changes his religion to Catholicism too. That way he will not only make benefit for the glorious nation of Ukraine, but he will also comply with the higher civilizational standards that the people of the extremely westernized and advanced country of Ukraine are accustomed to. When will those savages from the east ever learn?

    • 回复: @yurivku
  94. 一个奇怪的国家,美国。
    Until 1933 the USA did not recognise diplomatically the USSR.
    罗斯福做到了。
    Conspiracy theorists, I’m one of them, suppose that already in 1933 FDR was planning his war.
    During the thirties the USSR show trials were denied by USA ambassadors in Moscow, Davies the first, a nephew of Morgenthau.
    USA top brass who met the Russians during WWII were very cynical about them, Patton one of them, he died by an accident, of which many suppose it was murder.

    1948 was the turning point, Stalin blocked Berlin.
    All of a sudden Uncle Joe became a monster, THE threat to the USA
    麦卡锡在任何地方都看到共产党。

    Then the long Cold War, an effort by the west to let the USSR fall apart through the burden of defence spending.

    1990 success, not just because of defence spending, but because a centrally directed economy without the profit motive is unable to produce the consumer goods the consumer wants.
    In 1990 I was so naive to think that NATO would be dissolved, it was not.

    What western policy towards the non communist Russia was after 1990, I never fully understood.
    What is clear that the west has resumed the Cold War, under a pretext, this time, with a not negligible chance of turning it into a hot war, the war that will end all wars, the end of humanity.

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  95. Very early on in his Presidency, the young Vladmir had a heart-to-heart with Tony Blair during an interval at the opera and took years to recover. (I forgrt which opera, but it was the one where the fat lady sings).

    The three top Russkie spooks in DC last week indicate that the adults are in control and all’s well.

  96. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    Isn’t there evidence that epigenetic events such as unusual surges of some hormones during pregnancy may be a cause?

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  97. I am a retired CIA ops officer. For what it is worth, this is the best article on Putin, the USSR/Russia and the KGB I have ever read. Russiphobe idiots, take note.

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  98. Putin certainly changed sides about the time he returned to the presidency in 2012. Prior to that he had been slowly steering Russia back to its normal place as a European great power and, thereby, drawing closer to the EU. Suddenly, he became a US neocon stooge and allowed himself to be used as a “useful idiot” in their campaign to destroy the EU. That blunder led him to paint himself into the corner he is now in in Ukraine and that blunder, in turn, led him to wade into the Syrian civil war, thereby painting himself into another corner. What emerges is a man with little or no political savvy who simply lurches from blunder to blunder, with each blunder an attempt to overcome the consequences of the previous blunder. Professor Cohen also repeats a classic neocon propaganda line, namely, that Russians do not see themselves as Europeans. As far as I can tell, that propaganda line was invented by Daniel Pipes and was intended, one supposes, to drive a wedge between Russia and the rest of Europe, in particular the EU. I can find no evidence (to borrow a phrase!) that Russians regard themselves, or have ever regarded themselves, as anything but European and Professor Cohen provides no evidence in support of his claim, although he is quite happy to dismiss criticisms of Putin by arguing that there is no evidence to support them. The classic technique of the pro-Putin camp: when it favours Putin, no evidence is required; when it doesn’t suit him, proof, almost to courtroom standards, has to be provided. Professor Cohen has once again lived up to his reputation as a pro-Putin propagandist and his remarks will be judged accordingly.
    I was amused by the author’s claim that Putin “wants a new, multi-polar, international order of sovereign countries”. He could usefully prove his bona fides in that regard by respecting Ukrainian sovereignty and ceasing to finance anti-EU political parties (the latest, apparently, being the Lega Nord in Italy), thereby violating the sovereignty of the countries in which they operate. Indeed, if he hadn’t started violating the sovereignty of other European countries, there wouldn’t be a dispute with him in the first place! That does tend to support the author’s view that Putin has been double-dealing from the start, which, in its turn, completely demolishes Professor Cohen’s “nice but misunderstood Mr Putin” thesis.

    • 巨魔: bluedog, yurivku
  99. @Michael Kenny

    I always enjoy your comments Michael, in much the same way as I enjoy the comic strips. Calvin and Hobbes would have to be my favourite and frankly you don’t even rate, but at least you try. I have to give you that.

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  100. @jilles dykstra

    It is certainly no coincidence that US recognition of the SU happened after the rise of nationalist power in Germany that same year (although of course trade issues played a big role as well). FDR’s foreign policy always had a pro-British angle in mind.

    • 回复: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  101. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    “Professor Cohen is right: the real Putin has absolutely nothing, nothing at all, in common with the pseudo-Putin the Western media presents to its infinitely gullible and zombified audience.”

    Fake news. Saker is a disinformation joy to read. The masters created the Russian psyop for the media and their so-called mysterious spooks to propagandize and indoctrinate credulous American children. The never ending wave of Russian controversy is slowly succeeding however. It’s not hard to see the media creating and delivering the message while the actors read their lines. Two fake sides gossiping about nothing much at all – eventually no one will disagree about the enemy.

    Stephen F. Cohen is married to Katrina Katrina van den Heuvel. All the actors in the Wall Street-Pentagon media arm are married to one another. Swear an oath children!

  102. JustJeff 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    It’s a nice idea. It’s good to know that I, a half-Russian half-Jewish guy born and raised in the JewSA, can still be Russian. It’s a nice idea but it’s a stupid idea as well. If America with its endless prosperity, plentiful land, and rootless cosmopolitanism can’t make civic nationalism work then there’s no way in hell that Russia could make it work.

    Besides, Putin isn’t keeping a lid on nationalism because he believes in any grand ideal of Russia for everyone, he’s doing it to maintain stability.

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  103. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @AP

    TN的Anon
    He didn’t even need to fly there personally: he scared pathetic nonentities calling themselves Ukrainian leaders long-range. The truth is, first Ukraine denied OSCE mission access to these journalists, broke all the rules so badly that even Human Rights Watch said that Ukraine dangerously interferes with press freedom. But all this bluster evaporated when Kadyrov entered negotiations. Within 4 days both journalists were released unconditionally and flown to Moscow. Typical Ukraine: it “suffered a glorious victory” then, not for the first and not for the last time.
    As is widely known, Ukraine is the only country in the world that shot down two civilian aircraft and not a single military one. However hard the Empire and its lackeys try to convince the gullible that Malayan Boeing in 2014 was shot down by Russia or Russia-backed Donbass freedom fighters, international airlines made their conclusions: all fly over Russia, but they fly around Ukraine, avoiding Ukrainian airspace like they avoid North Korean.

    • 回复: @AP
  104. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @Anonymous

    TN的Anon
    “Evidence” is an overstatement. There are reasons to believe that (indirect evidence), as well as many other things. In reality, nobody knows.

  105. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @Chris Bridges

    TN的Anon
    This ain’t fair: like Cohen, you have knowledge, whereas Russophobe idiots have none.

  106. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @NoseytheDuke

    TN的Anon
    You underestimate Michael Kenny. Judging by his comments, he is Beavis and Butthead rolled into one.

    • 回复: @Beefcake the Mighty
  107. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @JustJeff

    来自田纳西州的 Anon。
    Lame argument. What is stability, pray? It is first and foremost the survival of the country. Tribal nationalism kills countries.
    As far as “endless prosperity” goes, if you write that, you cannot be a US resident. This is a myth popular in “shithole countries”.

  108. Aedib 说:
    @Michael Kenny

    … in that regard by respecting Ukrainian sovereignty…

    You fail to understand what self-determination (i.e. Crimean referendum) means.

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  109. AP 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    So did Kadyrov come to Kiev or not in your world?

    Your other claims are just as funny. Was 9-11 a Mossad job in your world, is is your idiocy limited to Ukraine?

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
    , @bike-anarchist
  110. George 说:

    “Putin who told an assembly of Orthodox Jews in Moscow that 80-85% of Bolshevik leaders were Jews”

    Jew is not a very precise category anymore.

    The Orthodox Jews in the audiance, many or even all who spoke Russian, probably heard that Bolshevik leaders (who they don’t like) were mostly secular/ethnic Jews (who they don’t appreciate as ‘convenantial’ Jews like the Orthodox are). I would not be surprised if the speech was vetted or even written by an Orthodox Jew who most likely attended the speech.

    Secular/ethnic Western Jews, who think it is their obligation to protect the Orthodox, heard the new Hitler, Putin.

    Secular/ethnic Russian Jews heard that communist Jews were to blame for Bolshevism. Note Putin did not say Jews were Bolsheviks, only the revolutionary leadership were mostly some sort of Jewish subgroup.

    Antisemites heard someone they like, Putin, engage in Jew talk infront of an audience of Jews no less.

    • 回复: @jilles dykstra
  111. @George

    Atheistic jews define themselves as ‘belonging to the jewish culture’, something like that.
    Therefore it is so difficult to tell how many jews there are.
    I corresponded with someone whose grandfather around 1870 converted to christianity in Germany, during the conversation my conclusion was that he was still a jew, unable to see jewry objectively.
    So there are maybe three or four times as many jews as commonly thought.

  112. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @AP

    TN的Anon
    I am repeating for the particularly gifted: Kadyrov did not need to come to Kiev personally, so he did not. His name was enough to scare the cowards.
    As to 9/11, to the best of my knowledge most evidence points to Al-Qaida. As Al-Qaida was funded, armed, and trained by the CIA, 9/11 was one of the most “glorious” achievements of the US foreign policy. It is rivaled only by the Iraq war, where the US first exposed itself to the world as a blatant liar (remember WMD story and the vial of something Powell was shaking at the UN? Most of the world still remembers), then spent more than a trillion \$, only to hand the victory to Iran and Al-Qaida. Of course, Halliburton also won, but it would have been a lot cheaper for the US to just let Halliburton steal \$10 billion directly.

    • 回复: @AP
    , @NoseytheDuke
  113. @AnonFromTN

    That’s not fair to B&B, who at least provide low-brow humor. Kenney is just a pure annoyance.

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  114. @Anatoly Karlin

    Tell us more about the large scale corruption, please

  115. Slightly off topic, but at 22:40 Cohen says: “He [Putin] needed a consensual history of the country….” I am thinking also of Lincoln’s: ‘A house divided against itself cannot stand.”
    The USA has lost a consensual history of itself. The BLM, Antifa, Postmodernists in Academia curse the USA as the mothership of oppressors, slaveholders, conniving capitalist exploiters, and seek nothing less of the dissolution of any value or norm that holds American society together. Naturally, they having nothing to replace it with, but the utter destruction is good enough.
    No one that I am aware of in the political class here is making any attempt to build such a consensus. Trump needlessly needles and insults people; the Democrats seek the immigrant to build their voter list, and Republicans will sell out to anybody if it preserves their own power.
    How long before we have a weaponized fifth column in the USA such as is now present in Europe?

    • 回复: @Twodees Partain
  116. @Beefcake the Mighty

    You certainly have wild imagination, Your head is bursting with wisdom.
    On the other hand this one you have pulled out from your arse.

  117. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    TN的Anon
    You may be right, unlike B&B, Kenny is not even funny.

  118. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @Aedib

    TN的Anon
    As far as Crimean population is concerned, it tried to get out of Ukraine since the dissolution of the USSR in 1991. Crimeans say that finally in 2014 Russia did not betray them. Polls by Gallup and Pew Research Center in 2014, as well as by German company GfK later, showed that more than 80% of Crimean residents want to be part of Russia, not Ukraine.
    Not to mention that today the expression “Ukrainian sovereignty” makes as much sense as “the virginity of an old prostitute”.

  119. “Jews under Putin in Russia are better off than they had ever been in Russian history.”

    Naturally, this has to be included since it’s the most important factor to be considered in judging whether a foreign leader is good or evil. /sarc
    Not to reject what the Professor said in his speech, but as a comment on his audience. I’d agree that he is brave to give such a speech, especially to such an audience.

    The article lays out a lot that I don’t really know about Putin, but it does fit with what I’ve read in the past 8 or so years, which is the basis for my total rejection of the negative MSM memes on the subject of Putin.

    “If in the West, the treatment of these two minorities is The One And Only Most Important Topic In The Universe – fine. I personally don’t care much (especially since I don’t feel that I owe any special consideration to either one of them).”

    Where he includes gays here, I agree with this view. Basically, I fail utterly to give a shit what kind of “atmosphere” exists among common people in the US toward these two groups (gays and Jews), but I do resent the unfailing insistence among politicians that these two groups are worthy of any special consideration at all.

    “But I do believe that Professor Cohen will eventually go down in history as the most intellectually honest and courageous Russia expert in the US.”

    I can only agree with this conclusion if ever the US media were to become an actual independent media while the editors of US history currently under control the government and the owners of government ever lost that iron grip over what is to be included in written history.

    • 回复: @Randal
  120. AP 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    I am repeating for the particularly gifted: Kadyrov did not need to come to Kiev personally, so he did not

    But before you claimed he did.

    你写了:

    “Let me remind you that Kadyrov visited Kiev in 2014”

    Your words.

    Were you lying then, or are you lying now?

    Or is it just another example of your well-known cluelessness about Ukraine.

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  121. @Thorfinnsson

    And this would be interesting because……?

    Admit that you neither read the piece nor watched the video so that your comment can be put in the proper perspective. This is, after all, a thread discussing the article rather than the author. I’ve made the same kind of comment you just made and have regretted doing so since then, mainly because I do appreciate this venue and wish to show that appreciation.

  122. @polskijoe

    I agree that multi-polar would be better, ideal, even. There’s really no benefit to the people of Earth in having empires competing for dominance.

  123. @yurivku

    ” Of cource not all, there are some absolute fans of him and absolute enemies, BTW mainly latter are jews for unknown reasons.”

    Is it possible that the jews who dislike him do so because of his failure to assign special consideration for what those jews see as their special rights? The Zionists/neocons seem to be insistent on having a special status for themselves and to have rights above those of any other ethnicity.

    • 回复: @yurivku
  124. @Roger That Rabbit

    “Republicans will sell out to anybody if it preserves their own power.”

    I think it’s worse than that. Republican politicians, most of them anyway, will sell out for a stale bagel even if it removes them from power. They truly are the stupid party. Of course, the democrats are primarily evil and only secondarily stupid.

  125. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @AP

    TN的Anon
    Well, I misspoke earlier. This does not change anything else I said.
    As far as Ukraine is concerned, I do agree with Rostislav Ischenko, who used to work in Ukrainian foreign ministry. Now he is a a political analyst in Russia. His theory is that those who know that they are good at something are not scared to compete in a broader field, so they call themselves Russians. In contrast, those who deep down know that they are good for nothing are afraid of serious competition, and therefore call themselves specifically Ukrainians and compete on that narrow patch. Naturally, the only frog in a puddle is always the biggest. But only a very dumb frog would be proud of it. As many Russians say now, “thank goodness that Ukrainians are not our brothers: it’s shameful to have brothers like that”. Enjoy your greatness in a tiny puddle!

    • 回复: @Aedib
    , @AP
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  126. Aedib 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    Well, surely you know but Ukrainians are not Rossiyany but they are Rusky. If some ultras deny it is another issue.

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  127. There is no no doubt in y mind that Pres Putin is an astute, well informed intelligent, well read and deeply shrewd leader. I have no doubt that he loves Russia and his goal is to make sure Russia remains a player on the world stage. I think that number 8 is entirely incorrect. You simply do not survive the KGB and end up as Pres of Russia with having navigated effectively the waters of the KGB and and Soviet politics and not be fully inundated with KGB schooling. That said,

    it does not by definition mean that the outcomes cannot be thoroughly positive in navigating the Russian ship of state successfully as a democracy. i had no doubt that Russia would remain a player on the world stage. My only bock after 9/11 dealt with how we and Russia would define terrorism. Because unless were careful we might find ourselves embroiled in the turmoil of Chechnya.

    I am ever impressed by Pres Putin’s ability and strength of will to outmaneuver the US in the Middle East and much to my chagrin, perhaps in Asia, of Russia and China mend fences as in both states the advent of democratic tools — i.e capitalism provide an atmosphere for broader areas of agreement.

    We did ourselves no favors in removing Pres Hussein — that may be a turning point in global history.

    I think Pres Putin’s understanding of Israel is simple, they should be expected to abide by the rules all member states of the UN are expected to abide by. In the case of Israel – even more so as she owes her existence to the UN.

    I also think think Pres Putin is sincerely befuddled and concerned about the implications of our Russian Manchurian candidate obsession.

    Russia remains one of the regions, I hope to see before I die.

  128. @peterAUS

    PeterAUS;

    It is obvious you do not like Putin.

    I suspect you like nobody except Ante Pavelic.

    • 同意: Cyrano
  129. Art 说:

    And now to the homosexuals and Jews.

    Jews and homosexuals. Why are they lumped together? What do they share in common? The answer is they both feel a profound separation from the rest of humanity. Because both, feel so different, so distant, and so separated, they cannot psychologically connect to the rest of humanity.

    With Jews, the separation from humanity is self-imposed – they thrive on their separation – their arrogance is fed by being distant from the rest of us. Jews cannot connect to us, because they cannot love us. You can only love, with whom you can connect and bond together in a shared future. Because of humanity’s reasonable ongoing natural negative reaction to their super tribalness, Jews feel justified in being dishonest with humanity. Super “us against them” tribalness engenders trouble and separation. The negatives feed each other in cycle of hate. The human psyche will not allow someone to love whom he abuses. Love fosters the future, abuse diminishes it. For a Jew to remain a true Jew he must psychologically separate himself from humanity. The Jew is forever trapped in a – I win – you lose – I am better then you – hate inducing unloving mindset.

    Homosexual separation from humanity is more complicated, but easier to fix. Because sex identity is so deeply imbedded in our psyche, homosexuals profoundly feel different from the rest of humanity, and humanity feels the same about them. The separation between homosexuals and the rest of humanity need not go on forever. Unlike Jews – homosexuals do no actual harm to the rest of humanity – therefor the cultural separation can diminish and disappear. This is happening.

    思考和平-艺术

  130. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @Aedib

    TN的Anon
    When I grew up in the USSR I thought that Russians, Ukrainians, and Belorussians are three branches of the same people. My grandmother used to say: “we are Russians, but khokhly (Ukrainians), they are Russians, but katsapy (Ukrainian term for Great Russians)”. Now, seeing what Ukrainians did with their country, I am not sure any more. I’d be ashamed to call myself a Ukrainian. I’d much rather call myself a Russian. BTW, Oles Buzina, a Ukrainian journalist murdered in broad daylight in Kiev in 2015 by Ukrainian Nazis (who were never punished and won’t be until the regime in Kiev changes), used to say that when you realize that you are a Russian, your soul rejoices.

  131. @AnonFromTN

    OK, but now you’ll have to explain how al Qaida was able to bypass security and install and wire precision explosives and detonators, how they could organise those convenient “security” drills such as Vigilant Warrior to confound Norad, destroy ATC voice recordings, remove daytime live broadcast content from the evening broadcast news, organise the prompt destruction of evidence from the buildings and ship it overseas as scrap under intense security and fix the “investigation” using Phillip Zelicow. Go on, give it a try.

  132. AP 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    Well, I misspoke earlier.

    So you were clueless, rather than dishonest?

    This does not change anything else I said.

    Yes, your pattern of cluelessness remains intact. Your other stuff is as wrong as that was.

    I do agree with Rostislav Ischenko, who used to work in Ukrainian foreign ministry. Now he is a a political analyst in Russia. His theory is that those who know that they are good at something are not scared to compete in a broader field, so they call themselves Russians.

    Like Ukrainian chess champion Anna Muzychuk?

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/other-sports/why-double-chess-champion-anna-muzychuk-boycotted-saudi-arabia-tourney/story-teKAhpYsS1cfRGnlsPRLgL.html

  133. Erebus 说:
    @yurivku

    But actually I see no ideal candidate. And it’s partly because Putin didnot allow real candidates to appear

    A damning claim. Perhaps you could elucidate how Putin prevented “real candidates” from appearing.

    • 回复: @yurivku
  134. anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Thorfinnsson

    This is why he’s always rambling about “shaitans” and talking about how lovely Mohammedans and Chechens are.

    Who gives a shit what you godless polytheist degenerates think of us “Mohammedans,” or for that matter the effing Chechens.

    But, as far as the mf-western “shaitans” are concerned, history provides enough proof of that, Ahole.

    Try learning from that.

  135. yurivku 说:
    @Erebus

    A damning claim. Perhaps you could elucidate how Putin prevented “real candidates” from appearing.

    As you wish. Fist of all please note that I’m not from Navalnuy’s team and my claims are from opposite side. But I’ve described it in my very first post in this thread.

    When I say “putin” I mean just a system he’ve built, not him personally. And yes this system will reject everyone not from its clan.
    The basic platform for political start is a Edinaya Rossia party (Единая Россия) which totally degraded and being called as a party of cheaters and thievs (Партия жуликов и воров) , this name was invented by Navalnuy, but it’s become widely spread for it’s true.

    If someone tries to get in politics from other directions – he’ll encounter the resistance from local authorites of different kinds and can even get some criminal problems.
    If nevertheless you got through this (eg Navalnuy with the financial and other help from US and its allies) you will see the main calibers in action like media and courts. Again remember Navalnuy, Udaltsov and others.

    Even registered candidate Grudinin currenly being under continuos attacks in MSM, dirty lies, defamations we can see every day on TV. But those Sobchak, Jirinovski and Co are on screen almost every day and no single bad word you’ll hear about them.
    Why? Can you guess?
    They are appointed to make a contrast to a good candidate.

    Putin never took part in debates with other candidates. Why? I think it’s arrogance, but main thing that he’s not ready to answer for really hot questions. He used to answer on prepared in advance stupid Qs like to bring an order on some territory or give some girl a puppy.

    And I’ll recall – I do support Putin in international affairs almost completely not to say that IMHO it’s time to react more strong on stupid behavior of US authorities in Syria, Ukraine and more …
    Hopefully I’ve answered your question.

  136. tac 说:
    @Wally

    After the last disturbing video you posted entitled (paraphrasing) “we know about your Rabbis” it seems what you are referring to is know in the traditional Jewish circles as “Metzitzah B’peh”, a rather despicable and inhumane tradition, as shown here:

    https://youtu.be/lwVne_f9ulU

    It is my understanding that this behavior, although indefensible, is only practiced within a small sect of Hasidic Jews. Can you provide with some documentation which elaborates on this subject matter?

  137. yurivku 说:
    @Cyrano

    I’m trying not to talk to UA men, for it’s useless, and not pleasant like eating a shit.
    They are pretending to be “Western”, but actually most of them are just bastards who betrayed theirs very motherland.

    All these shouts are absolutely indefferent to me.
    So thanx, but don’t worry -)

    • 同意: Cyrano
    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  138. yurivku 说:

    There are a lot articles here at UNZ on this subject
    https://www.unz.com/article/its-time-to-drop-the-jew-taboo/

    the good inside description is here
    https://russia-insider.com/en/never-ever-listen-what-american-jews-have-say-about-russia/ri22480

    on Russian jews
    https://www.unz.com/article/the-literatis-scourge-of-putin-and-trump/?highlight=masha

    So I have a little to add, but despite they actually have some 特别 treatment in our society, and get crying just if somebody say something without admiration about one of them, despite being overpresenting in all important fields of our life – they always trying to destroy the very basis they are living on. Probably it’s because Russia and her people will not obey the US/Israel rules.

  139. yurivku 说:
    @Twodees Partain

    I’ve answered to you below in post #143, sorry

    • 回复: @Twodees Partain
  140. https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/1658848/geloofwaardigheid-zijlstra-in-het-geding
    Dutch minister of Foreign Affairs admits he lied about Putin, he did not hear Putin say he wanted to incorporate Ukraine, White Russia and the Baltic states, someone else did.
    In order to protect this someone else, he said he personally heard Putin say it.

  141. yurivku 说:

    What is happening to Medvedev?

    Nothing, but he is still useless

    • 回复: @RobinG
  142. Cohen is willfully naïve and this article is just more of Saker’s bloviation. Putin is a thug, to be charitable, who has managed to worm his way into the top slot in a rapidly failing state.

  143. I read the Saker’s views often.

    One thing I believe most important is an accurate choice of words, considering both the connotation and the denotation. I find it counter productive when Saker speaks of “the crazies”, referring to the Neo-Cons or the military industrial complex. These are people who sell death to line their pockets, and “the crazies” is definitely not an apt term. It makes a joke out of what they are doing. I wish that he would stop that.

    • 回复: @Art
  144. @Quartermaster

    And you are a moron on the upper scale. Putin is a thug! Maybe yes, or maybe no.
    But it is irrelevant. As is irrelevant that you are a moron. The only relevant thing is what Putin is doing.
    And as I can see it so far he is doing right for his country

  145. RobinG 说:
    @yurivku

    Was Medvedev responsible for Russia abstaining from Security Council vote on attacking Libya? Worse than useless!

    • 回复: @yurivku
  146. yurivku 说:
    @RobinG

    Well yes, but it’s you, Western people are to blame Aren’t you?

    • 同意: RobinG
    • 回复: @RobinG
  147. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @yurivku

    TN的Anon
    Yea, talking to Ukie trolls is like talking to an answering machine, or like having a heart-to-heart conversation with a lamppost. However, even they sometimes make sense. For example, your ideas are often reasonable, but people would treat them more seriously if you improve your English. Look at “AP” here: he/she/it writes incredible BS, but in decent English, so people read it. Some might even believe his/her/its ravings, poor souls.

    • 回复: @yurivku
    , @AP
  148. yurivku 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    You can stop reading me right now, no problem at all. And I do not ask your advices. But thank you.

  149. peterAUS 说:
    @yurivku

    Putin never took part in debates with other candidates. Why? I think it’s arrogance, but main thing that he’s not ready to answer for really hot questions. He used to answer on prepared in advance stupid Qs like to bring an order on some territory or give some girl a puppy.

    内容丰富且有趣。
    让他们继续来。

  150. RobinG 说:
    @yurivku

    Yes, if by “Western people” you mean Queen Killary’s cabal, Bernard-Henri Lévy (the Jew who goaded France to attack Libya), etc. Most of the rest of us are just dupes and pawns.

    • 回复: @yurivku
    , @yurivku
  151. Randal 说:
    @yurivku

    Putin never took part in debates with other candidates. Why? I think it’s arrogance, but main thing that he’s not ready to answer for really hot questions. He used to answer on prepared in advance stupid Qs like to bring an order on some territory or give some girl a puppy.

    Speculating from a distance based upon pretty universal political basics, surely the obvious reason why Putin avoids facing debates and hard questions is simply that he doesn’t need to do so.

    When you have solid majority support and are going to win easily, only a fool would needlessly give opponents the kind of opportunities a debate provides to score points, even if only by getting lucky, and only a fool would needlessly answer hard questions, the responses to which are inevitably going to alienate some voters, when instead he can evade those questions and get voters from both sides of the issue to vote for him.

    If you are going to win easily and the political cost of evading debates or hard questions isn’t going to bring the issue into doubt, don’t engage in debates or answer hard questions. This is politics 101, really.

  152. @Michael Kenny

    Spot on, except that I would date the start of Putin’s turnaround to February 2004 when the security agencies took over the government by presenting anti-corruption cases against all the major figures. But even then, 2012 was a significant boost to that change.

  153. yurivku 说:
    @RobinG

    All these guys are yours anyway. Our stupid medvedev just weak guy who did not dare to resist. But probably it was too early to go to conflict with joint west.
    Hope my English is understandable.

    • 回复: @RobinG
  154. Randal 说:
    @Twodees Partain

    Naturally, this has to be included since it’s the most important factor to be considered in judging whether a foreign leader is good or evil. /sarc

    In fairness, this is a lefty jewish professor addressing a US sphere mainstream media audience (ie a heavily leftist and as the Saker notes probably disproportionately jewish audience). It’s entirely understandable that such people should consider jewish and gay identity issues as amongst their highest priorities. It’s just annoying that they are so effective at imposing their priorities upon our entire societies.

    I agree with you about Cohen’s expertise on Russia and Putin, but I don’t share Saker’s warmly congratulatory attitude to his “courage”. While there’s a degree of courage required to speak out against any elite consensus held for such strongly self-interested reasons by such powerful lobbies as the Russophobic elite consensus in the US sphere, in reality it pales into triviality next to the real personal courage displayed by those who stand up against the anti-“racist” and anti-“anti-Semite” elite consensus in our societies. The latter face real economic consequences (including job loss and effective unemployability), a high potential for actual violence, and in many European countries criminal proceedings. It’s all a bit more real than the potential professional disrespect Cohen faces.

    And although I’ve never heard Cohen on that issue, so this is speculation wide open to rebuttal on my part, I suspect that Cohen would join with his pseudo-liberal fellows in either failing to sufficiently oppose those speechcrime censoring attitudes or actively support them, at any rate the non-violent ones, involving suppressing “racist” and “anti-Semitic” ideas and opinions.

    There are many much more evidently courageous people, and you can find them almost entirely on the patriotic, traditionalist right these days.

    • 回复: @Twodees Partain
  155. @AnonFromTN

    Rostislav Ishchenko is an idiot who hasn’t got a single prediction on Ukraine correct that I am aware of. He has however been successful at providing flak for Putin’s mythical “clever plan,” which I suppose is what he is ultimately getting paid for.

    • 回复: @AnonFromTN
  156. @Randal

    Why Putin is avoiding debates.
    Privatization of state assets was done in Russia in accordance with American professors plan. We can characterize this act as a straight forward robbery.
    Jewish networks were bringing trunk-loads of cash into Russia. So they were the winners.
    Also the former communists with connections were robbing also. Putin was one of them.
    So that is why he does want to engage in discussions,
    But he is doing good job now so who cares.
    If Jews would give back all money they stole, I am certain Putin would give back the money also.
    But Jews should give back the money first.

  157. RobinG 说:
    @Randal

    Exactly. This is why the 2-party tyranny won’t let Libertarian, Green, or any other candidates participate in the debates.

    • 回复: @Randal
  158. RobinG 说:
    @yurivku

    Your English is perfectly adequate. Your short sentences are more understandable than the showy ramblings of some of our supercilious native speakers. Those who criticize you probably have other motives.

    • 回复: @yurivku
  159. Randal 说:
    @RobinG

    Of course. Why should they? It would be literally stupid of them to do so, unless and until they are forced to it by popular opinion.

  160. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @yurivku

    I’m sure he will as soon as he starts posting on a russain board. In the meantime it doesnt change the fact that some of your posts are difficult to understand. Also using things related to 733t speak such as “u”as apposed to the word “you” makes you sound like a petulant teenager.

  161. @AP

    Santa Claus is not a Mossad project.

    9/11 is like holocaust; any dissenter is classified as a Downs Syndrome affected Neandrethal… but at least one doesn’t go to jail…yet…

  162. Art 说:
    @Richard Miller

    I find it counter productive when Saker speaks of “the crazies”, referring to the Neo-Cons or the military industrial complex. These are people who sell death to line their pockets, and “the crazies” is definitely not an apt term. It makes a joke out of what they are doing. I wish that he would stop that.

    Richard Miller,

    An excellent point – the neocons are not “crazy” – they are not unstable – they know precisely what they are doing.

    To give them a status of “crazy” – diminishes their just due. They are due the label of “evil.” Instigating wars is evil.

    思考和平-艺术

    • 同意: RobinG
  163. @Peter Akuleyev

    Russia never had a decent shot at democracy.

    If you live in either the U\$A or Canada democracy only appears appealing to the relative of entitlement that exists in either country.

    In Canada, specifically British Columbia, citizen initiated election reform is being opposed by parties that were not elected into office. First, in 2008, the NDP party, who lost the election (dresses left, hangs right) campaigned against proportional representation, that was initiated by the citizens of BC. Now, 10 years later, the BCLiberal party (dresses right, hangs right), who lost the election, is campaigning against the citizen initiated election reform!!

    So, the underlying message is: only the entitled have the right to discuss democratic reform, and RULE on it, NOT THE CITIZENS THAT VOTED THEM IN!

    In other words, Russia is not alone. It was the relative level of entitlement during Communism that created self-serving elites, which degraded whatever democracy was there, just like in “western” countries. It is not the ideology, it is how it is implemented.

  164. peterAUS 说:
    @Randal

    … only a fool would needlessly answer hard questions…

    Ah…well…and I always thought that was the sign of proper leadership.

    People in power answering hard questions by people they rule over. “Need” criteria defined by “below”…not “above”.

    I guess that brings back the “Fuehrer/Great Leader” principle in politics.
    Or Kings of old. Emperors even.

    And, well, why not everywhere where a person in power has life and death decision making ability over people “below”?
    We can start with doctors.

    And, I definitely could’ve used that with my subordinates once upon a time:
    Not that I don’t remember hating that attitude with my superiors. Especially those bureaucrats out of howitzer range.

    内容丰富。

    • 回复: @Randal
    , @Erebus
  165. Randal 说:
    @peterAUS

    Ah…well…and I always thought that was the sign of proper leadership.

    No, I don’t think so. It’s never (or only in rare circumstances) been a requirement of good (or perhaps I should say effective) leadership to overburden the led with information they are not collectively asking for and that serves no direct and reasonably immediate purpose (such as inspiration, knuckling them down to a hard task, shaping expectations, creating needed political space, etc).

    If all you are saying is that there are occasions when a good leader needs to answer particular hard questions, well that’s surely true. But in the absence of specific need, doing so is clearly foolish.

    I guess that brings back the “Fuehrer/Great Leader” principle in politics.
    Or Kings of old. Emperors even.

    No, it doesn’t. The context itself makes that clear – if you are popular enough as leader not to feel any pressure to answer hard questions then clearly you are the democratic choice. If you aren’t then people will soon make you pay a price for evasiveness.

    • 回复: @peterAUS
  166. AP 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    Look at “AP” here: he/she/it writes incredible BS

    No, that would be you. You were already caught here, with your fairy tale about Kadyrov coming to Kiev.

    Here’s a response to earlier BS by you:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/vciom-predictions-market/#comment-2182046

  167. peterAUS 说:
    @Randal

    It’s never (or only in rare circumstances) been a requirement of good (or perhaps I should say effective) leadership to overburden the led with information they are not collectively asking for and that serves no direct and reasonably immediate purpose (such as inspiration, knuckling them down to a hard task, shaping expectations, creating needed political space, etc).

    If all you are saying is that there are occasions when a good leader needs to answer particular hard questions, well that’s surely true. But in the absence of specific need, doing so is clearly foolish.

    ..if you are popular enough as leader not to feel any pressure to answer hard questions then clearly you are the democratic choice.

    收到消息。
    有趣。

    让我们继续前进。

  168. AnonFromTN [又名“ Anon”] 说:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    TN的Anon
    You are free to believe whatever you want. In my experience, if the predictions of Rostislav Ischenko differ from those of any Ukie political analyst from Kiev, 99 times out of a 100 Ischenko is right and Ukies are wrong.

    • 回复: @AP
  169. chris 说:
    @yurivku

    Of cource not all, there are some absolute fans of him and absolute enemies, BTW mainly latter are jews for unknown reasons.

    Is the reason for Jewish hatred of Putin really unknown? In its hysterics, the hatred is similar to the one for Trump. The motive may be that just as they were about to grab the prize, it was snatched from their claws. The expression of this anger is like an insane jealousy. Putin or Trump’s appeasement on every other plane is completely incidental to their goals; he may grovel or he may plea, but they just want him dead.

    When Putin’s next term runs out, Russia will be given the choice of their man or revolution. And by the looks of things they’re not going to wait for the 6 years to be over, even with the risk of nuclear war.

    Am I wrong, Yuri?

    • 回复: @yurivku
  170. AP 说:
    @AnonFromTN

    Says you – a guy who is demonstrably wrong about most things you say about Ukraine:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/vciom-predictions-market/#comment-2182046

  171. Erebus 说:
    @peterAUS

    … only a fool would needlessly answer hard questions…

    Ah…well…and I always thought that was the sign of proper leadership.

    There is no world leader that approaches Putin’s performance at his annual marathon press conference. I can’t think of a leader in living memory that’s had the courage, the wide ranging mastery of subjects, or the mental & physical stamina to handle 4 hrs taking questions on every imaginable topic from an international gathering of some 1400 journalists (including hostiles) with the whole world watching. There is nothing in the history of press conferences like it, much less annually. An awesome tour de force that beggars every other world leader.

    As for political debates, as Randal says he has everything to lose, and nothing to gain. Politically, it’s a losing proposition. Start arguing with an idiot, and (s)he’ll drag you down to his/her level and beat you with experience. In the absence of some compelling reason, the front-runner in a political campaign is always and everywhere ill-advised to engage.

    You’ve argued yourself into a rather tight corner, again.

    • 同意: RobinG, bluedog
  172. Erebus 说:
    @yurivku

    Even registered candidate Grudinin currenly being under continuos attacks in MSM, dirty lies, defamations we can see every day on TV.

    Of course, one need look no further than Trump to see that the abuse heaped on “outsiders” trying to break into the political classes is not unique to Russia. That the political class protects its own is pretty much universal. That they’re in cahoots with media isn’t unique either.

    That Russia went down the same road may be disappointing, but given that the vulnerability of a truly open system to foreign based mischief is simply unacceptable in a super-power, especially at a geo-political tipping point, what choice is there? The trouble, quite simply, is that a super-power’s remit extends beyond its borders.

    I wouldn’t give the planet decent odds of surviving if Russia’s foreign policy was governed by its mad dog Generals, and executed by its version of Tillerson/Haley. There’d be the mother of all food fights within days. The world is deeply indebted to the Russian people’s indulgence in allowing their demagogues, ambitious posers, and people 3-parts mad to be sidelined politically until things stabilize.

    • 回复: @yurivku
  173. @Quartermaster

    Nonsense. The very definition of a thug among political figures is Obama. Putin has been the same calm person in several high offices in Russia through 3 thuggish American presidencies.

    Our country, the US, is the rapidly failing state. How can you manage to be wrong on so much in such a short post? You could do a websearch for Vladimir Putin, and read the factual entries. It might be a pleasant change from your usual diet of CNN and MSNBC.

  174. @Randal

    It does take courage to stand up before one’s own ethnic allies and give a speech that they are very likely to hold against you from that point on. That’s enough to qualify as courageous. He doesn’t have to go on from that little venue to speaking on TV to prove that he has courage.

    That’s just inviting influential people to crack down on you. That may be courageous but it’s also foolish.

  175. peterAUS 说:
    @Erebus

    There is no world leader that approaches Putin’s performance at his annual marathon press conference. I can’t think of a leader in living memory that’s had the courage, the wide ranging mastery of subjects, or the mental & physical stamina to handle 4 hrs taking questions on every imaginable topic from an international gathering of some 1400 journalists (including hostiles) with the whole world watching. There is nothing in the history of press conferences like it, much less annually. An awesome tour de force that beggars every other world leader.

    Hahaha…”awesome”….oh my. You sixteen?

    I’ll save this as a perfect description of a “Putin fanboy”.
    感谢。

  176. yurivku 说:
    @RobinG

    Your English is perfectly adequate. Your short sentences are more understandable than the showy ramblings of some of our supercilious native speakers.

    Good, just to close this theme, now I’m addressing not to you, but to those critics.
    The my only goal to read-write here is to be understood. If I succeed (which I’m sure of) the goal is archived. There is a small subtarget – to recall that language, which I almost did not use for last 20-30 years.

    Those who criticize you probably have other motives.

    Most of them are native Russian speakers so they probaly are saying look here how good we can speak your language, – not like stupid him.
    But I’m not living in English speaking country, nor I have frequent contacts with native speakers and I think that my level just fine for me.

    Anon #167: Also using things related to 733t speak such as “u”as apposed to the word “you” makes you sound like a petulant teenager.

    I do use shortcuts like u/you, dont/don’t, its/it’s, etc (and still will do it) when writing from phone to decrease # of keypresses, but if it’s annoying somebody he/she can use magic “IGNORE” button.
    https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/373867/18521500.2c/0_11d7ab_80d4e713_orig
    This way you’ll get rid of me forever. But special thanx for a “teenager”.

    PS: For my life I haven’s seen a single native English speaker with adequite Russian. Even for those who are living here for years. But the distance between Russian and English is equal in both directions.

    • 回复: @Twodees Partain
  177. yurivku 说:
    @Randal

    Speculating from a distance based upon pretty universal political basics, surely the obvious reason why Putin avoids facing debates and hard questions is simply that he doesn’t need to do so.

    Well, I agree. He’s absolutely sure that all the mechanics they use are enough to win. And debates could bring some unmeasured risks. The loss of some votes due to such politics considered him (and it’s right) to be insignificant.

  178. yurivku 说:
    @RobinG

    Yes, if by “Western people” you mean Queen Killary’s cabal, Bernard-Henri Lévy (the Jew who goaded France to attack Libya), etc. Most of the rest of us are just dupes and pawns.

    It’s just fine. Let’s use term somebody (SB) in text below.
    SB selects, approves, elects, feeds them (taxes…). They ruin Libya (there are alot in the past, but let’s start from here), then ruin whole ME, got America and Europe filled with refugees. SB still supports them, elected one more embicile who hired a dozen of bastards in his administration.

    All this gang rules SB (with the whole world ) to nowhere. What this Joe Sixpack will say seeing nukes coming down to his garden?
    Sorry, we are just “dupes and pawns”?
    Yes, you have to be dupes doing nothing to change things.
    Of course I understand how difficult for Joe Sixpack to move his ass into dangerous world messing around his garden, but I’m afraid there is no other way.
    Nothing personal. Sorry.

  179. yurivku 说:
    @chris

    Is the reason for Jewish hatred of Putin really unknown?

    Well, when I said “for unknown reasons” I was near joking. You know there is a taboo on discussing theirs activities, even the word “Jew” is a sort of being rude in Russia.

    Motives of Jews to hate Russia are clear. But Putin is a different case – he’s being surrounded with Jewish “friends” and I’m not sure I understand him. Maybe those Jews who hate him doing that because they didn’t succeed to be his “friends”. You know these friends are extremly rich by coincidence.

    Am I wrong, Yuri?

    I don’t think I can answer this question. But saving us from hot war it’s mainly job for the West. What can we do except strenghthen ourselves? Surrender? No, it’s not Russian way. But anyway it won’t help.

    • 回复: @chris
  180. yurivku 说:
    @Erebus

    wouldn’t give the planet decent odds of surviving if Russia’s foreign policy was governed by its mad dog Generals, and executed by its version of Tillerson/Haley. There’d be the mother of all food fights within days. The world is deeply indebted to the Russian people’s indulgence in allowing their demagogues, ambitious posers, and people 3-parts mad to be sidelined politically until things stabilize.

    It’ll be much better if world was not “deeply indebted”, but did something itself apart from insulting, humilating, biting Russia and her people.
    I do understand Putin’s tolerance, but sure it’s time to show the claws and fangs, it’s better to do it on early stage, not in time when only total nuclear retaliation will be possible.

    • 回复: @Erebus
    , @Avery
  181. @peterAUS

    Peter, a quick glance at your respective comment histories shows clearly that the person you are responding to and questioning his maturity, most likely had more brain power at sixteen than you will ever have, but keep digging sport. You actually do write like a sixteen year old and not a well educated one either.

    Isn’t it time you brought up Clausewitz again? Here’s one for you, “…vanity is content with the appearance alone”

    • 回复: @Erebus
  182. @Erebus

    Exactly. The contrast between Putin, an obviously intelligent man who has serious thoughts on a great number of topics, and American politicians, who can barely mouth mindless platitudes without a teleprompter, could not be more striking.

  183. gogis 说:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Please refrain from comments about Russian affairs in the future, you literally have no idea. Pretty much everything you stated is 180 and considering your tone you either troll or an idiot

    • 同意: yurivku
    • 回复: @peterAUS
  184. Erebus 说:
    @yurivku

    … did something itself apart from insulting, humilating, biting Russia and her people.

    That’s all they got left. In the absence of a discernable strategy, a coherent policy, or even a workable plan, what choice is left but to behave like a Pence at the Olympics, or like an Obama at Mandela’s funeral?

    SunTzu said it best:
    “Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak. If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he’s a coprophagous, faeces hurling chimp, treat him with forbearance. Use extreme forbearance if he has nukes.” 😉

    • 回复: @yurivku
  185. yurivku 说:
    @Erebus

    Just words, I’m afraid it’s just lack of courage and determination

    • 回复: @Erebus
  186. peterAUS 说:
    @gogis

    Or….at the other hand, please keep commenting about Russian affairs in the future, you apparently have some good info.

    I guess that some people would be particularly interested in topics as:

    The collapse of the Soviet Union was arranged by the Nomenklatura for their own benefit as a massive asset grab.

    and

    massive transfers of wealth abroad

  187. Erebus 说:
    @NoseytheDuke

    … (he) most likely had more brain power at sixteen than you will ever have…

    Sadly, your statement is almost universally applicable.

  188. Avery 说:
    @yurivku

    { but sure it’s time to show the claws and fangs, it’s better to do it on early stage, not in time when only total nuclear retaliation will be possible.}

    Russia/Putin showed its ‘claws and fangs’ aplenty in Syria.
    A few dozen precision Kaliber strikes into Syria all the way from the Caspian Sea showed everyone that needed to know that Russia has long-reach conventional claws and fangs: no need to send troops or go nuclear.

    Without RuAF Syria would now be gone as a sovereign state like Iraq and Libya.
    US Neocons are hysterical with rage, because Russia completely upended their Grand Plans for Middle East.
    It’ not over yet, as you know, and the Evil Empire is still in Syria, and is still trying.
    But Syria has a chance now, unlike before.

    Russian leadership is very wise not to go looking for a fight, and keep what fights it has to get involved in manageable and economical – both in manpower and expenditures.
    Despite her miraculous recovery from near-death after USSR dissolved and Yeltsin administration misrule, Russia still has a ways to go. The living standards of the people in RF need to improve much more. Russia’s economy and Russia’s state budget needs to ween itself from dependence on hydrocarbon income more. Russia is doing great countering US/EU sanctions, but it needs more time to immunize itself completely.

    All those things take years if not decades, and the easiest way to derail it is to get sucked into an endless war. And that’s why the Evil Empire keeps needling and bating Russia, hoping it – and Putin – will overreact. US and EU can afford to waste money and resources, but Russia can’t.

    至于核武器。
    Russia is constantly upgrading and updating its nuke force (e.g. Sarmat) and is very public about it, so that the cooler heads in the West keep a tight leash on the Neocon warmongers.
    Nothing more Russia can do.
    If someone in the West is crazy enough to want to commit suicide and take the world with them, there is nothing Russia can do.

    • 回复: @yurivku
  189. yurivku 说:
    @Avery

    Thank you to tell me about Russia, but it’s my country. I well know the Syrian story and our weapons, but now it’s a time to cure US with its medicine. Not to suggest another cheek to to hit, US understands only such treatment.

  190. chris 说:
    @yurivku

    You know there is a taboo on discussing theirs activities, even the word “Jew” is a sort of being rude in Russia.

    Very funny, Yuri; yeah, we’ve got that here too.

    But Putin is a different case – he’s being surrounded with Jewish “friends” and I’m not sure I understand him.

    So is Trump of course but it only shields them from the charge of anti-Semitism. The reason the Jews themselves surround them is the same reason vultures follow wounded animals, a free lunch may be had soon, besides, they’re not likely to suffer any adverse effects for having been there. Also it’s a good position to provide the coup de grace when the time comes.

    Am I wrong, Yuri?

    I was hoping you’d tell me I am wrong and that Russia is secure under Putin and not susceptible to a revolution or war, but you’re right that only the west can call off its dogs of war.

    Thanks fo your other posts as well.

    • 回复: @yurivku
  191. @yurivku

    Yes, you’re right. In fact, your English is much better than my Russian. I hope you stick around.

    • 回复: @yurivku
  192. yurivku 说:
    @Twodees Partain

    I will -)). Until get too tired with trolls or I’ll be banned for something.

  193. yurivku 说:
    @chris

    Very funny, Yuri; yeah, we’ve got that here too.

    Not a surprise it’s going around the world. In UK it’s a crime now:
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/boycotting-israel-is-the-right-thing-to-do/

    I was hoping you’d tell me I am wrong and that Russia is secure under Putin and not susceptible to a revolution or war, but you’re right that only the west can call off its dogs of war.

    Look Chris, of course Putin is not God, neither he is a genius. He’s a smart and strong man who currenly holding a shaky balance between patriotic forces and their liberal pro-West opposition (BTW latter in majority in goverment and in absolute minority in society).
    This balance could be broken with fatal consequences.
    Where we all will go I just guess, hoping that people won’t allow to go where US ass-kissers want us to.

    Thanks fo your other posts as well.

    You are welcome, Chris. Thank you.

    • 同意: chris
  194. Erebus 说:
    @yurivku

    Have you considered that these are provocations, designed and intended to get a preferably miscalculated, but specific response? If your enemy is trying to get you to do something, is it ever a good idea to give him the gift he’s looking for? Or is it better to frustrate him, and make his increasingly disjointed antics ever more obvious to the world?
    Sure, the Kremlin has its red lines, but I suspect the US hasn’t yet come close to them yet. Maybe Maidan in 2014, and look how the Kremlin responded; with a gift they “didn’t see coming”.

    When swords and spears were the ultimate weapons, one might go to war for honour. In an economically integrated world with nukes, honour waits its turn.

    BTW, Israel Shamir’s new article elucidates the negative aspects of Putin’s reign, particularly domestically. Much of it mirrors what you’ve been saying.

    • 回复: @yurivku
  195. @yurivku

    Yuri, you won’t get banned here. But almost everyone who was pressing Russia point of view in National interest got banned. They seem to track IP addresses of the banned.

  196. yurivku 说:

    Thanks Sergey, but:

    1) I’m not afraid despite UNZ is an interesting place
    2) Luckily I’m not going to write to any US MSM because they are containers with a pure shit, even without any impurity
    Up to now I have a bit to say here, but when it’ll get boring – I’ll leave.

  197. yurivku 说:
    @Erebus

    Sure, the Kremlin has its red lines, but I suspect the US hasn’t yet come close to them yet. Maybe Maidan in 2014, and look how the Kremlin responded; with a gift they “didn’t see coming”.

    No, now it’s a time to react after bombing SAA where 大概 some Russians were killed and after Israelis attack it’s surely should be answered.
    There is a time to prove that “If the fight seems to be inevitable you should hit first” (c) Putin.
    This time it’s possible to hit without nukes. Later could be too late and only Satan case remains.
    Time to retreat and cite the Chinees wisdoms is over.

    BTW, Israel Shamir’s new article elucidates the negative aspects of Putin’s reign, particularly domestically. Much of it mirrors what you’ve been saying.

    If you mean this one:
    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/a-russian-trump/
    I’ve read and even commented it.
    But this is not bad also:
    https://www.unz.com/proberts/russia-in-the-crosshairs/

    • 回复: @Erebus
  198. Erebus 说:
    @yurivku

    No, now it’s a time to react after bombing SAA where 大概 some Russians were killed and after Israelis attack it’s surely should be answered.

    We are like Plato’s cave dwellers, watching shadows on the wall. Very little of what we see is real, and there’s much we don’t see at all.

    If you’re talking about the Feb 7 incident near DeZ, the word “大概” doesn’t apply. We know very little about the incident itself. What we do know is that whatever really happened was quickly smothered under a thick layer of fake news claiming anywhere from “dozens” to 600 Russian casualties, apparently suffered by a “Russian” PMC named Wagner. This was actively backed by amateurishly photo-shopped pictures and videos of obviously false provenance (mostly from Ukrainian sources). There is almost zero evidence of anything having happened at all that involved anything more than local tribal militias.

    Given that Russian law does not permit the formation of Russian PMCs, one wonders if this “Wagner” even exists, or if it does whether they’d be permitted to wander around Syria attacking US assets. Nevertheless, Russian liberal and social media (including friendlies) swallowed the bait (or followed their instructions) and chimed in calling Putin weak, a traitor, demanding withdrawal from Syria, demanding retaliation, etc.

    That may be no more than schoolyard thinking at best, or just plain gullibility, but much more likely it’s an attempt to smear Putin before the election. I expect more of the same in the coming weeks.

    The field is much larger than Ukraine and Syria, or even Russia. Your reaction to sanctions and insults is understandable. I’d be damn pissed as well, but while it 五月 be time to react in kind, I can’t see how it is 一定 so. We simply don’t see the connections between Silk Road developments, gas pipelines, monetary & financial developments, etc etc and how they relate to what’s going on in Syria, the Ukraine, the Washington swamp, and in the media.

    Anyway, what Russia should be doing is giving the Syrians the means to defend themselves against Israeli & American provocations. With the recent ambush of Israeli air assets, followed by Netanyahoo’s telecon with Putin, the rules seem to have changed. Israel’s counter attacks stopped.

    • 不同意: yurivku
  199. @yurivku

    I just add each troll I encounter to my ignore list. It makes the comment section more manageable, as well.

  200. Johan 说:

    Of course the KGB is not anything glamorous, heroic, or wild like in the movies. The KGB is the product of a collectivist system, product of the rise of mass man, as communism, Nazism and democracy are all collectivist products of mass man. All collectivist systems lead by mass man are also equalizing systems, no James Bonds are produced there, you can bet, just grey mouses (aside of some celebs to worship, but these are mostly coocoo and on drugs).
    Politicized Mass Man only is capable of creating such vast and boring bureaucracies, and tons of snitching citizens. Only mass man occupies himself with the boring and petty stuff of administrating and monitoring everything, no matter whether it is mass man’s vast bureaucracies in our democracies, or in a collectivist system with a dictator. The KGB, M16 and other such similar groups are the product of mass man, the groups smells like something dusty, they look grey, something is rotting inside, but not too much some chemical soap cannot camouflage.

    Aristocracies had flair, style, elegance and colour, but mass man, when he gets to govern the situation, he is no longer a vital colorful man of the Earth in his own little charming way, but he becomes a grey mouse, a boring bureaucrat, a mouse with a monkey suit. A decadent and boring city and office dweller.
    The few wild ones among him, they are often psychopathic criminals.
    James Bond and other images are there to offer mass man something to his imagination, hiding the ugly boring reality.

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