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介绍时 吉米·莫利亚关于斯大林的视频系列 我答应与你分享我对这个最具争议性的人物的看法。 让我立即说,我下面要写的绝对不是对斯大林的生平和人格的开创性分析,而是对一个我仍然觉得我不明白的话题或多或少杂乱无章的想法。

斯大林的形象一直是一个有争议的人物。 一些人认为他是“所有时代和所有国家的领袖”(“вождь всех времен и народов”),而另一些人则认为他是邪恶的缩影,一个种族灭绝的疯子,杀死的人比历史上任何其他人都多。 实际上,这种两极分化可能强烈表明这个问题是一个非常复杂的问题,简单的黑白答案不太可能正确评估斯大林这个人及其遗产。 事实上,在斯大林的生活中确实存在“个人崇拜”,而赫鲁晓夫随后进行了情感谴责,这只会让事情变得更糟。 斯大林绝对是一个两极分化的人物,而我自己从小就被这种两极分化所困扰。

我写了一个匿名博客,我总是说重要的不是人们是谁,或者曾经是谁,而是他们要说什么,他们的想法。 但在这种情况下,我自己的观点已经如此两极分化,至少我必须诚实地承认并解释它,然后再继续进行。

我出生在一个俄罗斯难民家庭,他们在内战结束时离开了俄罗斯。 用苏联的话说,我们就是所谓的“недобитые белобандиты”,我粗略地翻译为“逃脱的白匪”或“未处决的白匪”。 不管首选的翻译是什么,至少可以说,这是一个难以形容的爱称。 这种感觉非常相互。 不仅我的家庭充满了“白卫兵”,我的祖父也加入了 俄罗斯舒茨军团 在塞尔维亚。 战后,我的家人移居阿根廷,我认为,那里可能是俄罗斯移民中反共最恶毒的部分,通常会重新定居。 当我自己出生在我父母移居的瑞士时(瑞士航空公司在 19060 年代初招聘飞行员),我被抚养成一个狂热的反共分子,我参与了如此多的反苏活动,以至于有一天在西班牙担任克格勃官员甚至对我进行了死亡威胁(他没有这样做的权力,事实上,他自己的人因此受到了严厉的惩罚——但我后来才知道)。 长话短说,在我生命的大部分时间里,我对斯大林的感觉与今天许多犹太人对希特勒的感觉非常相似:绝对的仇恨、厌恶和拒绝。

该博客的追随者知道,委婉地说,我不得不重新考虑我多年来一直相信的大部分内容,并且在某种程度上,这也影响了我目前对斯大林的看法(尽管是暂时的和不成熟的)。 我基本上在两种相互排斥的“思想潮流”之间左右为难:

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第一个是亚历山大·索尔仁尼琴最能代表的人物,我仍然认为他是 1917 世纪最重要的俄罗斯作家和哲学家,他不仅对我自己的世界观,甚至对我的一生都产生了巨大的影响。 虽然现在像斯塔里科夫这样的亲斯大林作家喜欢抹黑和诋毁他,但我对这个人及其庞大的著作(我至少读过两次)了解得太多了,无法接受这样的描述。 对我来说,索尔仁尼琴在很大程度上仍然是俄罗斯灵魂的活生生的体现,是一个真正的“巨人”,他强有力的声音是前苏联时期俄罗斯的最后表现,它于 1991 年正式消失,但一直秘密地在苏联生存直到XNUMX 年。话虽如此,索尔仁尼琴并非万无一失,虽然我仍然接受他所说的大部分内容,但在我看来,他的一些结论绝对是错误的(例如他对社会主义和一般左派的看法)。 这是 他实际上写了什么 在这个著名的古拉格群岛,有关苏联恐怖分子:

根据流亡统计教授 IA Kurganov 的估计,从 1917 年到 1959 年,不包括战争损失,只有恐怖分子的破坏、镇压、饥饿、集中营中的高死亡率以及随后的低出生率,使我们付出了代价 66.7万人” (“古拉格群岛”,第 3 部分,第 1 章)。

在 1976 年的一次采访中,索尔仁尼琴说:“库尔加诺夫教授间接推算出,从 1917 年到 1959 年,仅从苏维埃政权对本国人民的内部战争,即摧毁其饥荒、集体化、将农民流放到监狱、集中营和简单 处决——仅仅因为这些原因,加上我们的内战,我们失去了 66 万人=

这些数字包括血腥的内战,所谓的“战争共产主义,众多的反布尔什维克暴动(例如 坦波夫的那个),即所谓的“集体化“和”去黑化”下的“纯”政治镇压 臭名昭著的第58条 RSFSR刑法典和 甚至随后的低出生率. 所以我们谈论的是“最大”估计。 但是这样的数字存在一些问题,我将仅举一个真正引人注目的数字:

赞成和反对苏联的历史学家普遍认为,苏联最恶毒和最可怕的政治镇压发生在 1934 年至 1937 年期间,当时秘密(政治)警察由两个真正的恶魔人物领导, 根里克·亚戈达 and 尼古拉·叶若夫. 然而,所谓的“大清洗” (1936-1938) 也涵盖了当时著名的 拉夫伦蒂贝利亚 成为秘密(政治)警察的负责人。 但是问问自己,如果这些是“清洗”,那么究竟是“清洗”? 农民? 神职人员? 小资产阶级还是贵族? 根本不是,它是党,首先是秘密(政治)警察,即 正是在 1934 年至 1937 年间犯下暴行的人. 事实上——他们中的很多人是专门以叛国、滥用职权、非法处决等罪名处决的。那么,被苏联政府处决的人的数字怎么能和1934-1937年的数字混为一谈呢?反过来,那些因犯下这些暴行而被处决的人?! 这就像把纽伦堡审判的绞刑算作“纳粹暴行”一样不合逻辑!

此外,我们至少需要在这里提到一个关键因素:托洛茨基主义者。 我过去已经写过这个(见 此处) 我不会在这里再重复一遍,但让我们总结一下,布尔什维克政权内部至少有两个主要派系相互斗争:托洛茨基主义者,他们大多是犹太人,他们有狂热甚至对俄罗斯人民和东正教的种族主义仇恨,他们得到了西方的全力支持,尤其是西方金融界(犹太银行家),在 1917 年至 1938 年斯大林和贝利亚指挥一场旨在最终摆脱它仍然包含许多托洛茨基主义者的政党(即使托洛茨基本人在 1927 年失去权力并于 1929 年离开苏联)。 为了清洗党,斯大林带来了他自己的、值得信赖的格鲁吉亚人(就像贝利亚本人一样),他们一起发起了一场残酷的运动,以镇压几个月前自己负责恐怖活动的人。

顺便说一句,这不是斯大林进行的第一次血腥清洗。 在粉碎“旧”秘密(政治)警察之前,斯大林首先用它对苏联武装部队进行了极其暴力和血腥的清洗,包括其最著名的人物米哈伊尔·图哈切夫斯基元帅及其家人。 我不会详细介绍这些清洗的细节,但我会说我完全同意“Viktor Suvorov”(又名 弗拉基米尔·雷尊)谁在他惊人的书中“清洁” 证明斯大林在二战前将苏联军队从这些将军和军官中清除是绝对正确的(对于那些会读俄语的人,你可以在这里在线找到这本书: http://tululu.org/b54600/ ).

所以斯大林的做法是这样的:他动用布尔什维克“老后卫”(即托洛茨基主义者)反对军队,一旦军队被清洗,他就释放自己的“新后卫”(“斯大林主义者”)反对托洛茨基主义者并清洗党来自他们中的大多数。 确实非常非常无情,但老实说,也非常聪明。 可以这样想:斯大林继承了一个充满狂热、叛国和纯粹疯狂分子的党和一个仍然充满托洛茨基主义者的党(这是有道理的,因为列昂·托洛茨基比任何其他人都更应该被“归功于”创造苏联军队,赢得了内战,并在一场大规模的恐俄运动中粉碎了所有内部反对派)。 斯大林把这个党变成了一个由一个人自己管理的党,一个已经从托洛茨基主义的外国代理人中清除了自己的党,一个具有意识形态灵活性的党,可以真正呼吁俄罗斯人民在二战期间击退并最终击败纳粹入侵者. 我认为你不必“喜欢”斯大林就能看到,尽管他的方法无疑是无情的,但他的结果却相当令人印象深刻:他不仅赢得了二战,而且尽管付出了惨重的生命和代价他将血腥和遭受重创的苏联变成了一个世界强国,拥有强大的经济、绝对世界级的科学界和在复苏的岁月中显着的高生活水平。

这里最大的问题是成本之一,尤其是在人的生命中。 坦率地说,无论真实数字是多少,在我看来,成本无疑是巨大的。 斯大林主义者现在可以说他们想说的任何话,并试图以多种方式为这些恐怖行为合理化,但在我看来,毫无疑问,斯大林并不介意为了实现他所认为的更大利益而牺牲数百万人。 他和朱可夫元帅将数百万人送去绝望地死去,而且往往是徒劳的企图粉碎德国人 国防军 是可以合理化但不能否认的东西。 不过,斯大林主义者有一个强有力的反驳:像沙皇烈士尼古拉斯二世这样善良温和的人能战胜阿道夫·希特勒吗? 我没有对此的答复,但我承认这个论点是令人信服的。

斯大林主义者今天提出的另一个有力论据是苏联内部关于斯大林实际处决的人数的数字。 这里变得有趣了。

俄罗斯维基百科有一篇长文,题为“斯大林的镇压”(https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Сталинские_репрессии) 没有被英文维基百科翻译,它只提供了一篇关于大清洗期间被处决的人的非常肤浅且坦率地说有偏见的文章)。 以下是俄语维基百科所说的(谷歌机器翻译,我稍微更正了):

1954 年 XNUMX 月,由苏联总检察长 R.Rudenko、内政部长和司法部长 S.Kruglovym K.Gorsheninym 苏联为 NS 赫鲁晓夫签署了一份参考文件。 它指出,在此期间被判犯有反革命罪的人数 1921 年至 1 年 1954 月 XNUMX 日根据该报告,仅在此期间受到了 OGPU、NKVD “三驾马车”、特别会议、军事学院、法院和军事法庭的董事会的谴责 3,777,380 人,其中包括 被判处死刑 642 980,被判刑 监禁在集中营和监狱,刑期为 25 年及以下 – 2,369,220 人, 流放和驱逐 – 765 180 人。 根据“苏联内务部特别部门关于 1 年至 1921 年期间被拘留者和囚犯人数的参考文件#1953”。 11 年 1953 月 XNUMX 日,由巴甫洛夫内政部档案部门负责人签署,根据显然是针对赫鲁晓夫的信息汇编的数据, 该期间 从1921到1938在 Cheka-GPU-NKVD 的案件中,以及从 1939 年到 1953 年中期的反革命罪行只谴责了司法和法外当局 4,060,306 人被判处死刑 799 455 被关押在集中营和监狱的人 – 2,631,397 人,流放和驱逐 – 413 人,“其他措施” – 512 人。 根据这份文件,所有人都在 1921-1938 两年期内被捕。4,835,937 人(a / p – 3341989,其他罪行 – 1,493,948)已被定罪 2,944,879 人,其中死刑 745 220 人。在 1939-1953 年被定罪a / p – 1,115,247,其中 HMB 为 54,235(其中 23,278 为 1942 g.)。 根据各种研究人员的说法,仅在 1930 年至 1953 年期间,因政治罪名被捕的人数为 3.6 至 3.8 万人,其中从 748 786 000 [149] [155] [156] 猛增。 枪击事件的主要高峰出现在“大恐怖”年代,682-684 万人被处决。 1918-1953 年,根据苏联克格勃地区部门在 1988 年进行的统计分析,共逮捕了 Cheka-GPU-NKVD-NKGB-MGB 4,308,487 人,其中 835,194 人被捕。射击.

现在让我立即说,这里重要的不是确切数字,而是数量级:不到 5 万人被处决,即不到索尔仁尼琴引用的库尔加诺夫教授的 1 万数字的 10/66。 当然, 这是一个典型的苹果和橘子案例 一方面,库尔加诺夫谈到了 1917 年至 1959 年期间的死亡(甚至未出生),而上述数字仅涉及 1921 年至 1938 年 51 月 54 日正式和合法处决和监禁的人。 再说一遍,这两个数字都没有区分那些无辜的人和那些因自己犯下的暴行而应该被处决的人。

在这个时间点上,我认为我们过多地关注这些数字是没有意义的。 就个人而言,我得出的结论是,我不想落入与许多犹太人一样的陷阱,他们荒谬地坚持认为“6 万犹太人”被纳粹杀害或毒气室被用来杀死他们。 对于像我这样在全心全意憎恨斯大林的家庭中长大的俄罗斯人来说,将“66万”这个数字神圣化,这是我想要避免的陷阱. 然而,这里还有另一个危险,那就是尽量减少被斯大林(或希特勒,就此而言)谋杀的人数。 由于有非常有力的证据表明 66 万这个数字(或 6 万)是不正确的,因此得出结论认为斯大林(或希特勒)并没有谋杀大量的人是错误的,或者至少为时过早。 自从我亲身认识那些忍受过斯大林(和希特勒)阵营暴行的人以来,毫无疑问,在这两个独裁者的统治下,大量的人遭受了可怕的痛苦。

因此,如果出现诸如“多少是太多了?”,“结果值得付出代价吗?”,“应该责备这个人还是他继承的制度?” 而且,最重要的是——“其他人呢?“。 我在这里不是指希特勒,而是像温斯顿丘吉尔或哈里杜鲁门这样的种族灭绝战犯,或者更准确地说,是美国和英国,他们的种族灭绝暴行让布尔什维克看起来几乎是合理的。 正如伊凡四世“可怕的”应该与英格兰的亨利八世(由于某种原因不被称为“可怕的”)这样的“温和”人相比,或者 凯瑟琳·德·美第奇 (谁怂恿 圣巴塞洛缪大屠杀)。 可怕的事实是,在纽伦堡审判中,被告手上的鲜血比原告少得多(平心而论,他们犯下种族灭绝暴行的时间也少得多)。 当然,所有这些都不是为斯大林开脱或开脱的一种方式,而只是为了提醒我们所有人斯大林的生活和统治发生的可恶背景。

一件事对我来说是绝对清楚的。 从来没有任何“斯大林主义”之类的东西——至少在某种特殊的、独特的邪恶或大规模暴行时期的意义上没有。 斯大林的思想至多可以被称为“斯大林主义”,尤其是与托洛茨基的思想对比时,我会说,读过它们之后,斯大林就显得远没有那么聪明,但更加务实和合理。 不管是哪种情况,现在至少在西方使用“斯大林主义”作为“终极邪恶”的隐喻,这简直是反事实和错误的。

在俄罗斯,正在发生一些非常不同的事情。 在某些圈子里,斯大林变得相当受欢迎。 事实上,我认为斯大林在苏联一直很受欢迎,即使在苏联所谓的“启示”之后 第二十次党代会 和赫鲁晓夫的(不是这样)“秘密演讲“。

[侧边栏:我现在没有时间和篇幅来讲述这个肮脏的故事,但我只是总结一下,斯大林被他的随行人员谋杀,为了控制震惊的苏联,赫鲁晓夫开始了大规模的反斯大林抹黑运动,同时隐瞒自己是斯大林时代最糟糕的刽子手之一; 赫鲁晓夫是一个极其不道德和卑鄙的人物,也是有史以来最无能的苏联领导人之一。 他,不亚于戈尔巴乔夫,应该为他竭力削弱的制度不可避免地崩溃而受到指责]。

尽管赫鲁晓夫时期的所有反斯大林主义宣传和 1990 年代的所有反斯大林主义宣传,大多数俄罗斯人仍然敏锐地意识到苏联时代总体上不可否认的成就以及斯大林最终为苏联带来的繁荣尽管二战对苏联造成了巨大的破坏。 但这里也有一个陷阱。

人类的大脑倾向于忽略一个已知的骗子和骗子所说的一切,就像我们不太注意我们不喜欢的人可能声称的那样。 问题在于,虽然赫鲁晓夫和埃尔钦都背叛了自己的党并且都是不光彩的人,但他们的论点也并非都是错误的。 同样,那些看穿当前关于“6万”和“毒气室”的宣传的人也有可能因此得出结论,关于希特勒种族灭绝暴行的一切都只是一个神话,数百万无辜的人没有被纳粹政权杀害。 有时,我发现自己对辩论的双方都极度厌恶(比如关于堕胎等问题),并考虑到西方资本家、托洛茨基主义者、新保守主义者、俄罗斯第五专栏作家、狂热的俄罗斯民族主义者等等对斯大林的讨论最为热烈我非常不喜欢的类别,有时很难将论点与提出论点的人区分开来。

圣斯大林

俄罗斯的一些群体是彻头彻尾的“精神”。 最糟糕的是狂热的俄罗斯民族主义者,他们认为自己是东正教基督徒,实际上相信斯大林是,我不骗你,一个基督教圣徒!!! 我不会把这些人想出的完整的童话故事告诉你,但他们的底线是,在斯大林生命中的某个时刻,他记得他作为东正教神学院学生的早期教育,他开始“复兴俄罗斯”哪一点,你猜对了,“犹太人”杀了他。 他们称他为“ мученик Иосиф жидами убиенный”或“被犹太人杀害的圣烈士约瑟夫”。

但是,还有一个精神病边缘人也认为伊凡雷帝是圣人。 还有拉斯普京,为什么不呢? 坦率地说,他们的整个“神学”简单得可怜:俄罗斯人是最优秀的,所有的俄罗斯领导人都是伟大的,俄罗斯历史上任何被视为负面的人物当然都是诽谤运动的对象,最好是“犹太人”和几乎 事实本身 一个“圣人”。 这种狂热的民族主义只是一种粗暴的自我崇拜和偶像崇拜,与真正的基督教是完全对立的。

我不会过多关注这些相当边缘化的群体,坦率地说,是一群精神错乱的人。 他们确实是极少数,甚至比亲西方的“非制度”反对派还要小。

更为普遍的是我认为的“和解”运动。 这些人的想法大致是这样的:

我们需要弥合苏联时代造成的分裂,因为白军和红军都是爱国者。 我们需要停止这种拒绝大部分历史的趋势,把不好的放在一边,保留和保存好的。 几个世纪以来,反俄势力一直使用谎言、欺骗和宣传来抹黑我们的历史,我们需要收回它。 如果您仔细观察,您将始终意识到反苏活动家(антисоветчик)始终是俄罗斯恐惧症。

让我首先明确指出最后一句话显然是错误的,并且与第一句话完全矛盾。 我个人不仅认识数百名强烈反苏的俄罗斯人,而且他们中的绝大多数人都是 100% 爱国的。 如果您阅读白将军、俄罗斯内战参与者和俄罗斯移民所写的内容,您会发现他们都热爱自己的国家、人民、历史和文化。 同样,反苏主义的缩影亚历山大·索尔仁尼琴始终是俄罗斯的爱国者,以至于他被俄罗斯自由主义者视为“大俄罗斯民族主义者”和“反犹分子”。

此外,代表传统的君主制东正教俄罗斯的白人与狂热的无神论者(主要是犹太人,憎恨俄罗斯的一切)之间的“和解”概念绝对是荒谬的。 现实情况是,俄罗斯历史上的红白“原理”是相互排斥的,它们的本体关系类似于健康组织和恶性肿瘤的本体关系:它们共享许多遗传密码,但最终总是会杀死一个人。另一个。

但是。

然而,这些话中有一些智慧,或者,也许不是这些话,但至少在它们传达的意图中。 虽然对于某些人来说,这种“和解”确实是掩盖其党、国家甚至家庭所犯暴行的虔诚方式,但对于另一些人来说,这是拒绝完全妖魔化生活在复杂环境中的复杂人物的合法表达。时代,其遗产仍需由一代又一代的历史学家来检验,而不是留在专业宣传者的手中。 为此,需要宣布和接受一个简单但至关重要的原则:

对历史真相的追寻,从不缺乏对遇难者所受惨痛的尊重

我真诚地相信,这应该是未来历史学家的指南,他们将永远不得不重新审视和重新评估过去的事件。 可悲的现实是,调查过去极其困难,即使是最近的过去(想想 9/11、“蒂米什瓦拉大屠杀”或“斯雷布雷尼察种族灭绝”等事件!)。 更糟糕的是,历史大多是由胜利者书写的,而正如迈克尔·帕伦蒂 (Michael Parenti) 出色地解释的那样,由有钱有势的人书写,这也是一个可悲的现实。 正是因为这些原因 史学必须始终保持修正主义 作为一本非修正主义的历史书,读起来根本没有意思。

我认为二战后的胜利者都进行了一场无耻的妖魔化敌人的运动。 这并不是说这些敌人本身就不是真正的恶魔——也许他们确实是——但只是对于报纸和所谓的“教育”系统来说,斯大林和希特勒的案例被认为是“灌篮高手,档案关闭”,对于严肃的历史学家来说,陪审团仍然很悬殊。 风险太大了,政治气候根本不利于任何甚至普遍公平和诚实的调查。

就个人而言,我有一种不知道的感觉。 所以我只能和你分享我的直觉,如果你愿意的话,我最好的猜测是,斯大林和苏联时代对俄罗斯的影响。 因此,这是我与您分享的高度主观和个人的结论,作为讨论的基础,而不是作为关于这个问题的全部和最终真相。

1)历史悠久的俄罗斯已被布尔什维克/苏联政权谋杀并彻底摧毁。 沙皇尼古拉二世的统治与列宁-托洛茨基二人组之间没有任何类型的连续性。 因此,这两位布尔什维克领导人之前和之后发生的事情之间没有连续性。 1991年后的后苏联“俄罗斯”与1917年前的真实俄罗斯毫无共同之处。至于普京的俄罗斯,2000年后的俄罗斯,是一个既不是1917年前的俄罗斯,也不是“民主的俄罗斯”。 ” 埃尔钦的伪“俄罗斯”,而是一个新的俄罗斯,我仍然必须理解它的真实本质,这绝对让我感到惊讶。 在可怕的 1990 年代,尤其是 1993 年我最疯狂的梦想中,我从来没有想过会看到我今天在俄罗斯看到的东西,这给了我很大的希望。 与遥远的 1917 年前的俄罗斯相比,这个新俄罗斯在苏联时期的根基要牢固得多,但它最终真正摒弃的是布尔什维克早期和 1990 年代同样狂热的恐俄症。 这真的很有趣,因为现在你会发现君主主义者,比如 亚历山大·鲁茨科伊和斯大林主义者,比如 尼古拉·斯塔里科夫,即使他们不同意过去,通常也非常同意现在。 就我自己而言,作为一个“人民君主主义者”(一种独特的俄罗斯左倾君主主义,费多尔·杜斯托耶夫斯基、列夫·季霍米罗夫,尤其是伊万·索洛涅维奇所拥护),我也发现自己同意斯塔里科夫所写的大部分内容。 除了他关于斯大林的书,说得客气一点,我觉得这本书完全没有说服力。 所以这是新的东西,我想。 我根本不相信“红军”或最初的布尔什维克是俄罗斯爱国者,但是我相信这完全是神话, 我确实相信,今天相信这个神话的人,他们自己就是真诚的、真正的爱国者. 因此,虽然我不相信在白色和红色原则之间可能找到任何共同点或“和解”,但我非常相信今天有真正的机会让俄罗斯爱国者采取联合立场来对抗真正的敌人俄罗斯:盎格鲁犹太复国主义帝国。

看看这张惊人的照片:古拉格的前囚犯与前克格勃官员握手。 诚然,普京只是克格勃第一总局(PGU)的外国情报官成员,与任何清洗、异见者或古拉格无关,但他仍然穿着与那些保持警惕的克格勃官员一样的制服(并且大多无能)关注俄罗斯人民(第五总局)。 因此,这次握手具有极大的象征意义:索尔仁尼琴不仅在自己的家中接待了普京,而且他的整张脸都洋溢着真正的喜悦(就像普京一样)。 这些人既受过教育又足够聪明,不仅意识到这一象征性时刻的巨大力量,而且还意识到这对俄罗斯意味着什么:真正的俄罗斯人(当然,在文明意义上,“俄罗斯人”这一类别在种族上毫无意义) 终于重新控制了自己的国家。 索尔仁尼琴活得足够长,看到他的国家(至少大部分)从代表外国利益的恐俄领导人的占领中解放出来,他还看到一名同事(索尔仁尼琴在 1945 年被捕前被授予红军中尉)现在在国家的指挥权。

索尔仁尼琴和普京

我认为普京达到了准确和正确的平衡。 他从未拒绝过苏联时期 在整个,他也从未将其理想化。 他曾多次提到苏联政权对大量无辜俄罗斯人民的可怕和毫无意义的屠杀,该政权怀着对俄罗斯的恐惧和阶级仇恨。 然而,他也对生活在苏联时代的人民及其巨大成就表示由衷的敬意和钦佩。

2)完全粉饰斯大林和整个苏联时期是一种错误的尝试。 这本身并不奇怪。 绝大多数现代俄罗斯精英与苏联精英和臭名昭著的苏联有直接的家庭关系 命名法. 这些人想要为其家人的行为辩护是很自然的。 虽然有数百万俄罗斯人的家庭在苏联时代确实遭受了可怕的痛苦,但这些家庭中只有一小部分人后来成为了苏联精英,因此成为了今天管理俄罗斯的新的后苏联精英。 当然,也有一些例外,主要是改过自新的党员家属,他们在改过自新之后,对苏共保持了忠诚,或者至少是尊重。 最后,被谋杀的数百万人很少留下许多孩子,而当他们这样做时,那些自己作为“阶级敌人”和“反苏家庭”被镇压的孩子,他们的声音几乎完全淹没在当前的喧嚣中“苏维埃康复者”合唱团。 再一次,这种史学钟摆的倒摆是正常的,但它不可避免地会伴随着另一次摆动,从而产生更批判的结果。 上帝愿意,随着时间的推移,最终会做出正确的评价。 但也许它永远不会——现在说还为时过早。

3)我有信心说斯大林绝对不比他的前任差,而且在许多方面,在他的统治下,苏维埃政权的性质和政策确实发生了变化。 尽管如此,我仍然坚信他是一位冷酷无情的领导人,他以恐怖和鼓舞的谨慎组合来领导这个国家,并且在需要实现他设定的目标时毫不犹豫地牺牲了数百万人。 我也很确定,在斯大林统治期间,第一批俄罗斯爱国者重新回到了权力结构中,这种缓慢而渐进的重新渗透在赫鲁晓夫、勃列日涅夫和其他苏联领导人的领导下一直持续到 1991 年。如果1990 年代是绝对的恐怖,现代俄罗斯的重生要归功于那些在苏联长大的爱国者(当然是在上帝之后!)。 当然,众所周知,好的东西可以在坏的地方生长,但我必须相信,至少在苏联社会中,产生了像今天克里姆林宫这样杰出的领导人是正确的。

现代俄罗斯与 1917 年至 1953 年间的俄罗斯毫无共同之处。所以说可能回归“斯大林主义”不仅是错误的,而且是荒谬的。 这也意味着斯大林的政策,无论是好是坏,根本无法转移到现代俄罗斯。 反过来,这意味着关于历史、斯大林统治的性质和遗产的讨论不会对俄罗斯领导人的决策产生重大影响。 这是非常好的事情,因为它使整个讨论变得相当抽象,因此是安全的。 斯塔里科夫和日里诺夫斯基(一个鄙视斯大林的激进反共分子)可以尽情地争论斯大林或君主制(自称斯大林主义者斯塔里科夫尊重和珍视),但当面对乌克兰或叙利亚的冲突时,这些辩论将对克里姆林宫的决定影响很小。

因此,尽管我仍然对斯大林和整个苏联时期持极端批评态度,但我认为当前对斯大林的去妖魔化是一件非常好的事情,我非常希望它能给历史学家带来 思想上的 自由 他们需要做他们的工作。 暂时,我宁愿靠边站,等着读更多他们的书。

现在轮到你了——请告诉我你对斯大林和他在历史上的角色的看法!

萨克斯

PS:这是一篇冗长而复杂的文章。 我正在与时间拼命挣扎:现在我有 36 封电子邮件要回复,另外 3 封(重要的)要写两封。 因此,请原谅我以当前粗略的“初稿”版本呈现此文本。 在发布我上周承诺发布的文本之前,我不想再等待了。 我认为这与 Jimmie 的视频越接近,我们的讨论就越好。 我会在接下来的几天里找时间更正并重新阅读它(也许在星期三,因为明天我会一整天都不在)。 现在得跑了,因为我今天还有很多工作要做!

(从重新发布 造酒者的葡萄园 经作者或代表的许可)
 
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  1. Philip Owen [又名“ Soarintothesky”] 说:

    Bolshevism did nothing for Russian industry that capitalism wouldn’t have done anyway. Czarist education was no more than 10 years behind countries like the UK and comparable to Japan’s, the only other country to achieve industrialization in the first half of the 20th Century. Japan did it by private enterprise and export orientation. The Russian Empire could have done it too. The educational foundations were in place. So, Stalin as the unique force behind Russian industrialization does not stand. Perhaps Bolshevism needed him. Russia didn’t. Kerensky was a Social Democrat not a White. There would have been social reforms not far short of communism anyway without the upheaval and bloodshed. Kerensky would have lost Ukraine and the Caucasus to no ill effect on Russia. George Bush senior thought that finally losing Ukraine and Central Asia in 1991 made Russia much more formidable.

  2. Philip Owen [又名“ Soarintothesky”] 说:
    @Philip Owen

    I’m not an Anglo-Zionist, I’m a WASP. Winners for 500 years. Russia wins when it allies with England: 1612, 1812, 1945 for example. The French and the Germans have been less reliable.

  3. Thirdeye 说:

    More on the fabricated numbers used to paint Stalin as Ultimate Evil:

    http://www.campin.me.uk/Politics/purging-stalin.txt

    When ridiculous fabricated numbers on the order of 20-60 million deaths under Soviet repression are tossed around, they ignore that such losses, in addition to the 20+ million war dead, would have rendered Soviet society unable to do what it did: transition from a largely agrarian to an industrial society in one generation, in the meantime fighting a devastating war that deprived them of some of the most productive areas of their country for about two years. Two costly wars and low birthrates due to privation left the Soviet Union with a severe manpower shortage into the 1950s.

    I’m no fan of Stalin either. He was ruthless, treacherous, brutal, power-hungry, and paranoid. But the narrative that he was some bloodthirsty monster is nonsense.

    The Bolsheviks weren’t so much anti-Russian as they were anti-Russian Nationalist. There were good reasons for that at the time. It was divisive against non-Russian ethnicities such as Ukrainians, *stanians, Caucasus nationalities, and, yes, Jews. The roots of National Socialist ideology extend into Czarist Russian nationalism and its supporters such as the Black Hundreds. The Russian Orthodox Church was hand-in-glove with the Czarist power establishment. Russian nationhood needed to be redefined before nationalism could be more than a backwards force. That seems to have been accomplished, in part due to the demographic churning during industrialization and the common experience of war against Germany.

    • 回复: @Rurik
    , @eh
  4. Very cogent. It always struck me how White Russians in exile and the Russians one encounters in literature and in accurate historical representations, differ so much from Russians brought up during the 1917-91 regime. I read the book “Will the USSR survive until 1984” many years ago and saw a lot of predictive value in it. (Andre Amalrik?) The destructive effect of the regime on the manners, morals and social capital of its victims is clear. How to ween such people into a state of mind compatible with an honest and constructive society is beyond my pay grade. Perhaps a true religious revival would be the answer.

    Such demonization of Stalin as I’ve experienced is a meme of the left who refuse to acknowledge their comradeship with him as leftists. By pretending that his crimes were just an artifact of his personality cult, they hope to get yet another lease on life for socialism. In this regard I like your attention to the unlovely traits and actions of Lenin and Trotsky.

    Your question about how Russia would have done under a kinder and gentler, non-Bolshevik leadership, is thought provoking. Let’s posit that the Czar is installed in a parliamentary monarchy in 1917. I’ve read that Russia’s rate of industrialization was already accelerating. With this a middle and upper middle class would have grown as well. Such a Russia would not have been viewed as an existential threat by other European powers. Trade and investment would have further mellowed relations.

    Now, it’s my contention that without the emergence of the murderous Bolshevik state, communist uprisings in Hungary and Germany would have sputtered and failed to generate the reaction that drove Fascism and National Socialism. A normal Russia in the interwar years puts a different spin on all subsequent history. Without Lenin, Hitler is much less likely.

  5. Likewise, those who see through the current propaganda about “6 millions” and “gas chambers”…

    Oh come on, is there anything this website won’t publish?

    • 回复: @Quartermaster
    , @Anonymous
  6. Photos like the one of Solzhenitsyn and Putin, as well as the facts surrounding, are a testament to the ultimate futility of base propaganda in the face of truth. Born and bred AngloZionist that I am, nevertheless I have read all of Solzhenitsyn available in English translation, and to say that he is one of the greatest influences on my thinking and moral development is no exaggeration. I do agree that he wasn’t correct about everything, but he became somewhat of a dissident in the west, as well, due to his insightful critiques of it, despite the distortion of perception inherent from his own suffering.

    As for Stalin, better he had stuck to the seminary, to poetry writing awards, rather than gravitating to robbery, “expropriation” and terrorism, before the assumption of Soviet power.

    During that period around 1993, I hired Russian computer programmers, who through Usenet I had learned were personally suffering deprivation. I had no means beyond my own salary, but I paid half of it to them for their work. I thought it was the least I could do as a cold warrior who appreciated the sacrifice so many made to end the Soviet. However, the amount that major corporations paid to these programmers, such as Sun Microsystems, exploiting the situation, was a fraction of what I gave them.

    It was quickly learned that the nominal anticommunism of corporations wasn’t based upon Christian virtue, but sheer greed.

  7. Stalin’s toast to the Tajik people, April 1941:

    ……我想对塔吉克人说几句。 塔吉克人是一个特殊的民族。 他们不是乌兹别克人、哈萨克人或吉尔吉斯人——他们是中亚最古老的民族——塔吉克人。 塔吉克人——意思是戴王冠的人,伊朗人就是这样称呼他们的,塔吉克人已经证明了这一称号的合理性。

    在苏联的所有非俄罗斯穆斯林民族中,塔吉克人是唯一的非突厥民族——他们是伊朗民族。 塔吉克人的知识分子培养了伟大的诗人费尔多西,塔吉克人从他那里汲取了他们的文化传统也就不足为奇了。 在过去的十年中,您一定已经感受到塔吉克人的艺术天赋,他们在音乐、歌曲和舞蹈中表现出的古老文化和独特的艺术才能。

    有时我们的俄罗斯同事会把它们混为一谈:塔吉克人和乌兹别克人,乌兹别克人和土库曼人,亚美尼亚人和格鲁吉亚人。 这当然是不正确的。 塔吉克人是一个独特的民族,拥有庞大而古老的文化,在我们的苏联条件下,他们注定了美好的未来。 整个苏联都必须帮助他们解决这个问题。 我希望他们的艺术受到大家的关注。

    我提议为塔吉克艺术的繁荣和塔吉克人民干杯,这样我们莫斯科人随时准备帮助他们做一切必要的事情。

    • 回复: @Israel Shamir
  8. 5371 说:
    @Thomas O. Meehan

    [Let’s posit that the Czar is installed in a parliamentary monarchy in 1917… Such a Russia would not have been viewed as an existential threat by other European powers.]

    Don’t spell it Czar. Pretty please?
    Russia tried a parliamentary system in 1917. Do I have to explain how disastrous the results were?
    You have a very trusting view of international affairs. The truth is that whenever Russia is strong she is hated, especially by England, and by the US once the US became a great power. Her internal arrangements have nothing to do with it.

    • 回复: @Thomas O. Meehan
  9. 5371 说:
    @Philip Owen

    A typically ignorant and mendacious comment.

    • 回复: @Wizard of Oz
  10. That Stalin picture is even more striking than the defense ministers one in the “sucide by reality denial” post.

    • 回复: @tbraton
  11. Vendetta 说:

    Stalin did get the Moscow subway built. That’s one unquestionably good deed.

    • 回复: @iffen
    , @The Plutonium Kid
  12. iffen 说:
    @Vendetta

    Stalin did get the Moscow subway built. That’s one unquestionably good deed.

    But did it run on time?

    • 回复: @dahoit
  13. Marcus 说:
    @Philip Owen

    I agree, Russia’s economy was growing with tremendous speed under Nicholas II’s reign with the help of Western investors. However, he was an idiot thrust into an absolutist position (not a gentle soul like the Saker says, he sent millions of Russian soldiers even more poorly equipped than early WW2 Red Army to die for no reason) and so his gov was completely incapable of handling the upheaval of industrialization. A lot of parallels with the Shah and the Iranian revolution.

  14. Marcus 说:

    BTW, you might want to edit your article. I hate Jews and Bolsheviks, but claiming the latter were “mostly ethnic Jews,” is insane, the vast majority of party members were always Russians, though minorities (not just Jews) were overrepresented, especially at the upper echelons.

    • 回复: @Guy Flaneur
    , @Anon
  15. tbraton 说:
    @Cattle Guard

    I thought the “icon” of “St. Joseph Stalin” was hilarious.

  16. @Jason Bayz

    Are you familiar with the source of the 6 million number? The holocaust wasn’t carried out in gas chambers either. It was mostly in labor battalions and by the Sonderkommando in the Soviet Union.

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @Wally
  17. Stalin was an evil man, as evil as has ever been produced by mankind. He was far from the ultimate evil, however. That title is reserved for Satan himself who would do far worse than Stalin and Mao if he were not restrained by God Himself.

    While Russia has risen from the Soviet ashes to an extent, I think we are nearing the end of her growth. The country is headed by a criminal regime that is looting the country and looking for dragons to slay so as to keep the masses under control. Putin’s Russia will fail for much the same reason as the US is going to fail – greed and human mendacity. Putin is dragging his country towards the most destructive confrontation of her existence that has been prophesied in Ezekial chapters 38 & 39.

    Solzhenitsyn was correct about the problems of the US. He put on rose colored glasses, however, when he went back home.

    • 回复: @Marcus
  18. Marcus 说:
    @Quartermaster

    Completely wrong IMO, Stalin was a run of the mill Oriental despot IMO: brutal (out of necessity mostly) but pragmatic. He was definitely not a psychopath or fanatic ideologue like Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Hoxha, etc. More reasonable comparisons would be Saddam, Ceausescu, or Reza Pahlavi. Also lol at biblical prophesy of Russia, which didn’t exist until millennia after its writing.

    • 回复: @Craken
  19. @5371

    Czar is the commonly accepted English spelling. This is an English language website.

    As to my Parliamentary Monarchy hypothetical; do I have to explain to you what hypothetical means? Unless you want to portray Russians as incapable of civilized government, it was possible that the a parliamentary Czar could have formed a viable government. The subversion of the Kerensky government by the Lenin’s commies was not chiseled into the wall of fate.

    I’ve been called a lot of things over the years but “Trusting” has never been one of them. Trusting people aren’t common among law enforcement officers, political operatives and Senior Research Analysts.

    You have the beginning of a point about great powers being hated. But I think you must admit that the behavior of those powers has ay least something to do with it. My country, the USA, had a quite favorable image around the world until our own Trotskyites got us into the Anti-Russian – anti-Arab business. Great Britain was more envied and resented than hated in my view. At the end of the day we hate those we fear. A capitalist, parliamentary, trading Russia would not have generated any thing like the fear and loathing the USSR did.

    Your remark about the USA hating Russia when we became a great power is not historically accurate. As far back as the John Quincy Adams administration, Czarist Russia was 练习 emblematic example of authoritarian European despotism in American minds. There are lots of example of this, including remarks by Lincoln . I don’t say that all of this was fair, but it is a fact that the US and Russia never had particularly good relations.

    In any event my comment was meant for The Saker. Of course others are free to take me to task. I do hope The Saker will point out where I am right or wrong. He put in a lot of thought and effort in this piece and I thank him for that.  I am in no way a Russian specialist and am curious about the whole topic of Russia.

    • 回复: @5371
    , @Marcus
    , @utu
    , @dahoit
    , @Thirdeye
  20. 5371 说:
    @Thomas O. Meehan

    [Czar is the commonly accepted English spelling]

    No it isn’t. If you accept it, raise your standards.

    [Russians as incapable of civilized government]

    I do not take civilised government and parliamentary government as synonymous.

    [it is a fact that the US and Russia never had particularly good relations.]

    No, the US gave generous, if verbal, support to Russia at the time of the Crimean war, which was returned in kind by Russian support for the North at the time of the Civil war. Hence the smooth way in which the sale of Alaska was transacted. Nothing of the sort would have been considered with a hostile power.

    • 回复: @tbraton
  21. Marcus 说:
    @Thomas O. Meehan

    Kerensky was bribed by the Western Allies to keep Russia in a war that was bleeding it dry, this sealed its fate. Lenin’s promise was “peace and bread.”

    • 回复: @Rick Johnson
  22. anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    Just a thought experiment: What would history have been like were the Trotskyite faction to have been the victors of the fight and they purged the Stalinists instead? How different would today look?
    The post-Soviet Russia is a new Russia unconnected to the pre-1917 or Soviet Russia. Isn’t this also true of Germany post-1945, a Germany very different from that of before? How about post-1918 Austria, no longer an empire but now a parochial middle European state? Post 1920s Turkey? For that matter how about Britain today as compared to pre-1914 British empire? Japan, China etc? Everything has changed, the question being for the better or for worse? Take your pick.
    Communism was originally envisaged as ushering in a new period of human development, work in the morning to produce enough to maintain a good material standard of living, spend the evening reading good books and attending the opera, etc, where people were free of exploitation. Yet somehow it became a utopian religion in the minds of many who felt they had to hurry history along through coercion and eliminate those who were impediments to the flowering of the coming paradise-on-earth. It was never supposed to produce slave labor, forced confessions, secret police arrests and firing squads yet here we have it, the natural progression of the utopian mind.

    • 回复: @animalogic
  23. tbraton 说:
    @5371

    “[Czar is the commonly accepted English spelling]

    No it isn’t. If you accept it, raise your standards.”

    Well, it looks like it’s a matter of six of one or a half-dozen of another. Here is what I found by Googling:

    “Origin of ‘czar’ and ‘tsar’

    Merriam-Webster’s Eleventh Collegiate Dictionary (2003) lists czar as the primary spelling in U.S. English, and tsar as a variant spelling. Webster’s Word Histories (1989), in a fairly detailed discussion of the two spellings, attributes the spelling czar to a sixteenth-century Austrian baron:

    czar Czar, or tsar, is our English word for a pre-Soviet Russian emperor. Tsar is a straightforward borrowing from the Russian, but the form of czar is strange. It looks rather like a Polish word, and in fact there is a Polish czar, but it is pronounced like English char and means ‘charm’ or ‘spell’. The Polish equivalent of Russian tsar is spelled car—Polish c is pronounced ts. We owe our peculiar spelling of czar to an Austrian diplomatist, Siegmund, Freiherr (Baron) von Herberstein (1486–1566). …Herberstein wrote in Latin, but his spelling of Russian tsar was influenced by his native German. The c in Herberstein’s czar may have come from Polish, but his z was surely added as a pronunciation indicator—z in German, like c in Polish, is pronounced ts. The English word czar first appeared in a 1555 translation of Herberstein’s work [Rerum moscovitarum commentarii, or Commentaries on Muscovite Matters].” http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/43509/czar-vs-tsar-origins-and-pronunciation (Apparently, as in the case of other words, usage probably differs in America and England, even though usage probably differs in each place as well. If you are really into proper English usage, the usage article is worth reading in full.)

    I hate to be critical and it’s probably not Kosher to mix authoritarian terms, but it seems like you are trying to be a Grammar Nazi on this point.

  24. utu 说:
    @Thomas O. Meehan

    “Trotskyites got us into the Anti-Russian – anti-Arab business. ” – If called them Bronsteinists instead of Trotskyites the reason for anti-Russian and anti-Arab business would be out in the open.

  25. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站

    Khrushy wasn’t a good leader, but you have to give him some credit. I disagree that his de-Stalinization was just pure cynicism and an attempt to cover his ass. He could have done that easily by praising Stalin’s memory and not making the secret speech at all.

    Khrushy had blood on his hands. They all did. Under the fearsome rule of Stalin, everyone did what they were supposed to. If they didn’t carry out the orders, they would have been destroyed. If Khrushy hadn’t killed a lot of people and hadn’t been ruthless, Stalin would have seen him as a softie, a traitor. So, Khrushy did all that and gained the trust of Stalin.

    But after Stalin died, Khrushy did want a more humane USSR. He wanted an easier policy with satellite nations of East Europe. He wanted to be fairer with Red China, and he reached out to Mao. And he wanted peaceful coexistence with the US.

    But he messed up. For one thing, he was too vulgar and impulsive. Too volatile.
    Another problem was miscalculation. His goodwill toward China was seen as weakness by the venal and nasty Mao. And the liberalization of communism that Khrushy called for in Eastern Europe led to the Hungarian uprising that forced USSR to go hardline again.

    But Khrushy did try to humanize the system. He was no saint, but I think he was troubled by conscience.

    Did he and his cohorts have Stalin killed? Well, if so, why not? Stalin had grown senile and was preparing for another purge in which his close associates might end up dead.
    Were German generals wrong in their attempt to kill Hitler?

    If we’re gonna be more empathetic about Stalin, I think we need to be more empathetic with Khrushy too. One could argue Khrushy wasn’t a good leader, but sometimes failure has its virtues. Khrushy, like Gorby, was bound to fail. There was no way the Soviet Communism could be liberlized and humanized. Khrushy tried and he was bound to fail. But try he did, and there is no shame in noble failure.

  26. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站

    —–So how can the figures of those who were executed by the Soviet state be during the 1934-1937 years be lumped together with the figures of those who were, in turn, executed precisely for having committed these atrocities?! This would be as illogical as counting the hangings of the Nuremberg trials as “Nazi atrocities”!——

    This is poor moral logic.

    The Soviet killings of Soviets was like the Night of the Long Knives, Hitler’s purge of fellow Nazis. Or it was like Mao’s purges of fellow communists.

    It was the Soviet State that had ordered the secret police and various agencies to torture and kill all those people. Some may have abused their powers, but ‘abuse’ is a difficult concept here since the entire system relied on abuse of power. There was no real Rule of Law in the USSR. If certain agents had been overzealous in their purges and killings, they were just doing what they thought was expected of them.

    Think. Suppose you’re part of the secret police, and an order comes down that you must round up traitors and spies and force confessions from them. You feel that if you don’t arrest certain number of people and force them to confess, the higher authorities will accuse YOU of being a traitor. So, you end up killing even innocents.

    So, the later purges of the earlier purgers had nothing to do with justice. Stalin and his cohorts created a system of fear, and it was the fear that drove fanatical mass tortures and killings in the first place. Since Stalin created such a climate, he has no moral legitimacy to pass moral judgement on others. Stalin ruled by terror and fear. He got things done, but he was a tyrant.

    Even so, if we compare Stalin with Hitler and Mao, he may come off better.
    Hitler was a pretty decent leader before he decided for war. Once war got started, he turned totally maniacal, and had he defeated the USSR, he would have been the biggest mass killer of all time.
    Mao was a total disaster for China. He destroyed the economy, culture, everything.
    Stalin, in contrast, did develop great industry. Even though he had artists killed and stifled creativity, there was cultural achievement in Stalin’s Russia. And Stalin wasn’t a total philistine like Mao. On his good days, he could appreciate real art and support real artists.
    So, Stalin comes off better than the other two tyrants.

    But in the long run, Stalinism was terrible. It was grayness, bureaucratic overload, repression of initiative, cult of personality, slavishness, conformism, mediocrity over meritocracy, and limitless statism.

    And stuff like Katyn massacre cannot be forgotten. Too horrible.

    If Stalin had been like Hitler minus the nutty racial ideology, USSR would have been totally great.

    One wonders.. what if the Nazi-Soviet Pact had been maintained. Well, it would have been hell for Poles. But how would things have been for Germany and USSR? Wouldn’t UK have eventually dropped the war with Germany? Wouldn’t Western and Central Europe been united under German hegemony? And wouldn’t Stalin have taken some cues from Hitler? Might Stalin have turned away from hardline Marxism-communism and opted for something closer to left-national-fascism that allowed some degree of private enterprise as in Nazi Germany?

    Maybe if USSR had allowed some degree of private enterprise, it would survived.
    Look at today’s communist China. The party is still communist, but because it allowed some degree of capitalism, the economy grew and expanded. There was no political collapse in China as there was in the USSR.

    China’s combination of capitalism, socialism, and nationalism makes it really fascist than communist, and that goes to show that fascism, due to its adaptability, is the superior ideology. And if Stalin had taken some National Socialist ideas for restructuring the Soviet economy, it might have done wonders for the USSR, and there might have been no collapse of Soviet communism that came later.

    • 回复: @OutWest
  27. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Philip Owen

    “Bolshevism did nothing for Russian industry that capitalism wouldn’t have done anyway.”

    But capitalism doesn’t work by itself. It needs national character.

    Anglo national character, German national character, and Japanese national character made capitalism work.

    Did Russians have a national character that can make capitalism work?

    Look at Argentina. It always had great potential, but Latin capitalism was never as good as Anglo capitalism. Latin values, outlook, and habits were weaker on the values and virtues necessary for capitalism.

    If Russians had an Anglo-like or Germano-like national character in the 19th century, it would have made the same kind of progress. But they failed too because they lacked the proper spirit and sobriety and discipline.

    Russians need a new cultural mind-set. That is the real key to long-term success.
    But Russians keep failing to understand this.

    • 回复: @Ivan K.
    , @animalogic
  28. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站

    Stalin seems to have been a remaker and reactor than maker than proactive agent.

    Here he was different from the more aggressive Lenin, Trotsky, Hitler, and Mao. Even Mussolini.

    Stalin could be aggressive of course. He robbed banks. He carried out acts of terror. He could be rude and abrasive.

    But he wasn’t the firestarter that Hitler was who insisted on leading and commanding everything. Hitler, like Mussolini, had the power of oratory.

    Even Lenin and Trotsky had more oratorical power than Stalin.

    Stalin wasn’t much of a speaker.

    Also, it took some time for Stalin to gain dominance.

    Mao gained dominance early, lost it for a spell under Soviet advisers, and then regained it during the Long March and never lost it. So, Mao was the leading figure in the communist takeover of China.

    In contrast, it’s possible that the Bolshevik Revolution would have succeeded without Stalin. Contrary to Trotsky’s assertion, Stalin did play an important role in the Revolution but not an indispensable one.
    Indeed, unlike the Chinese Communist victory, the Bolshevik Victory ‘just happened’, almost by accident. Also, unlike Chinese communists who defeated the anti-communist KMT, Bolsheviks just pushed out Social Democrats who’d already deposed the Tsar.

    Unlike Mussolini, Hitler, and Mao who were crucial to their movements’ victories’ from the start and stamped them with their personalities, Stalin was slower to rise to the top. He was more like a Machine Politician, like Richard Daley than a firebrand.
    This made Stalin more pragmatic in some way and less fanatical. But it also made him more insecure and paranoid, therefore more repressive at times. Stalin didn’t make the USSR. He remade it once gaining top position. He was a remaker.
    Stalin relied on an institutionalized cult of personality more than Hitler and Mussolini. Hitler and Mussolini only needed to make a speech to spellbind the masses and show them who’s boss.
    Stalin lacked such gift of oratory. So, his cult became more institutional in Big Brother way. And Stalin needed such a cult to keep the power since without such, he would just be one of the several leaders. In order to prevent others from trying to remove him, he had to make himself appear as godlike. It’s one thing to depose the top leader. It’s quite another thing to depose god — much harder to do. Cult of personality was insurance against those who might try to take him out. They would have a lot of explaining to do since the cult of personality had elevated Stalin to godlike status.
    The cult made Stalin seem indispensable to the party and people. It was partly megalomania, but it wasn’t only that. It was rational paranoia of being deposed. Making oneself seem godlike ensured that those around him would think twice before attempting to remove him.

    Because Stalin wasn’t as proactive and aggressive as Lenin, Hitler, and Mao, much of his record has to be understood and analyzed as reactive maneuvers.
    Stalin had to react to Trotsky’s challenge. He had to react to Hitler’s rising menace. Hitler drove events. Stalin reacted to them.
    Stalin dared not take decisive action on his own until his power had been fully consolidated. And the first big move was the forced collectivization of agriculture and development of heavy industry. But the rest of his record is more reactive to events set off by others. Even the Soviet domination of Eastern Europe was the result of Stalin’s reaction to Hitler’s invasion. Stalin didn’t take decisive action against Tito and Yugoslavia. He didn’t know what to do about Mao’s takeover of China, something he both welcomed and dreaded. Stalin did play a proactive part in the Korean War, but once US got involved in a big way, he made Mao carry the load in defending the North Korea.

    One gets the impression that Lenin, Hitler, and Mao were visionaries who liked to unleash big events and make things happen. In contrast, Stalin didn’t like to take chances. Even when he took chances with forced agriculture and development of heavy industry, it was about material achievement than grand feats borne of imagination. That may explain his lasting power and some of his achievements: more grounded in reality.

    But in the end, real achievement is like the movie Ant-Man. It’s not just about mega-projects and macro-scale constructions but neat and nimble things at micro-level, the kind that happens at Silicon Valley and fashion industry with nimble homo hands working on fabrics.
    And when it came to individuals and initiative, the Soviet command system simply had no room. It could build big stuff but failed at small neat things in a world moving toward advanced technology.

    Also, nothing motivates people like vanity and pleasure. Capitalism motivated people to build businesses and make money to gain more wealth and enjoy more pleasure.
    Prole virtue couldn’t compete with that. People work virtuously to indulge in their vices. Capitalism understood this paradox.

    But can this formula last forever? What if it rots the soul and turns people into Lena Dunhams and Amy Schumers?

    In the end, only neo-fascism will work.

    • 回复: @joe webb
    , @dahoit
    , @Philip Owen
  29. joe webb 说:

    anybody who reads Michael Parenti and compliments him is a genuine latter-day communist.

    This meaning the kind of communist that the race hustlers of the US are, like MLK who hung out with various communists, and whom the sacker loves, anti-fa that he is, that is, the Sacker.

    So rehabilitate Stalin, I mean much better than the Great Terrorist Jew Trotsky to rehabilitate, but the Saker is , if not a communist, then what used to be called a fellow traveler. Thus he stands with Israel Shamir although , who knows, maybe Shamir is too jewish for the Sacker. Shamir is a communist and prides himself on it.

    Shamir tried to change his Identity by using the Christian name of Adam. That would be more a OT type name, but we will let that slide. Seems he gave up on that one, I mean Oracular and all and just a tad egotistical…the First Man.

    So Shamir the Christian communist….and the Sacker, too Stalinists in a Popular, or United Front, to play communists agin the nazis. Darwin, forced to choose, would have to go with the nazis, from a purely scientific point of view.

    Think , for example, the now well deserved absurdity of Lysenkoism/Lamarckianism/communism as opposed to, Darwinism, HBD, Evolutionism, science and Inheritance and Identical Twin studies, and racial intelligence differences of great measure.

    Are you a communist, or in the real world of genetics? and so on.
    Europe is getting ready for Counter-Revolution big time…throw the liberals out…and of course, dispatch the Arabs and Africans for points South, more suited for their biological deficits, than beautiful Europa.

    Shamir and the Sacker are absurd old leftie farts whom, indeed History and Biology are jettisoning as yet another loony Quixotic pair of Peter Pan-ers. (Tinkle bell is their Revolution)

    乔·韦伯

  30. joe webb 说:
    @Priss Factor

    “Also, nothing motivates people like vanity and pleasure. Capitalism motivated people to build businesses and make money to gain more wealth and enjoy more pleasure.”

    A bit cynical and unrealistic there Dominique. Vanity has its place, especially in the romance and marriage dept. and pleasure…is good, depending on whether it really serves life, intelligence, sociability, and so on.

    Neo-fascism, whatever that is, and I agree with you in brief, is anti-modern ,meaning small is beautiful, neighborhood, family, friends, and community…the racial dynamic of which is very important for comfortable social relations. Capitalism secondary to Country. Nationalist economics, etc.

    It is important not to hammer ‘wealth’ since money lays the groundwork for a roof over your family’s head, and so on. Let us not be snobs with trust-funds…trustifarians. Children require jobs, money, and so on. The fascist model can be re-distributive up to a point….welfare, genuine welfare, in the forms that support families and provide a minimum of safety-net. Nevertheless..everybody works. etc.

    The anti-modernism of an anti-liberal view is the first thing. Biology is first in reckoning with human differences. Race is the best way to think about how a country works, or a neighborhood, and so on. We all know that, except for the True Believers in Rainbows and pots of ruin at their ends.

    Etc, etc. I would like to know what you think a realistic neo-fascism would look like, starting with governance. Joe Webb

  31. syonredux 说:

    Since I’m here, might as well set down some numbers:

    Current estimate on how many deaths Stalin was responsible for during the period 1929-53: approx 9 million

    How this breaks down:

    Early ’30s Famines: The direct result of Stalin’s dekulakization/collectivization campaigns, these caused approx 6 million deaths, with around 3 million of the total occurring in Ukraine alone.

    Great Terror: 1937-38. 682,691 people executed. The fellow going by the nom-du-net “Saker” seems to think that these were nearly all high-ranking Party Members and military officers. Hardly. “Kulaks” who had managed to survive both the dekulakization campaign and the Famine made up a huge percentage of the dead.

    Massacres of Poles during WW2: 21,892 at Katyn in 1940, plus 9,817 more in 1941

    Ethnic Cleansing operations (Chechens, etc) during WW2: “Official” NKVD tally is 231,000 deaths for 1943-49

    Deaths in GULAG: the “official ” figure for 1934-53 is 1,053,829. However, this figure does not include deaths en route or while in custody. Nor, for that matter, does it include people who died within days of being released. Add in estimates for those plus estimates for deaths prior to 1934, and 1.6 million stands as a conservative figure for the true total.

    For those who like to imagine that hardened criminals made up the bulk of this number, bear in mind what counted as a criminal offense under Stalin: “destruction of Soviet property,” “breaking the passport law,” “speculation,” “leaving one’s work post,” “non-fulfillment of the minimum number of work days,” and “being more than 20 minutes late for work”

    Operations in the Baltics:

    肯尼斯·克里斯蒂, 东亚和北欧的历史不公与民主转型:民主桌上的幽灵 (2002)
    立陶宛,拉脱维亚和爱沙尼亚人(1940-41):被驱逐出境85,000,其中55,000人丧生
    重新征服期间执行的波罗的海(1944-45):30,000
    战后游击战
    立陶宛人:40-50,000千。
    拉脱维亚人:25,000
    爱沙尼亚人:15,000

    Soviet soldiers shot for desertion, cowardice, etc: Richard Overy,in 俄罗斯战争 (1997) gives 158,000

    German POWs: Approx 356,000 deaths(this is a low estimate)

    等等,等等,

    On the plus side, Stalin’s approx 9 million deaths does put him behind both Hitler (11-12 million) and Mao (approx 40 million).

    • 回复: @Ivan K.
  32. syonredux 说:

    And for a portrait of one of Stalin’s followers, here is Vasily Mikhailovich Blokhin. He was in charge of the massacre at Katyn:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Blokhin

  33. Stalin, as a Georgian came in to the Soviet fold at a time when strong men needed to appear and he changed the fate of Russian history, good, bad or indifferent. His ruthlessness knew no bounds and he was the one responsible for the forced repatriation of many of the peoples of the Caucasian republics. HINT : The Tsarniev brothers are the perfect example of those seeking to redress the wrongs of the past, albeit, in an imperfect and illegal manner.

    In the same manner, the Corsican Buonaparte (Bonaparte!) and his assimilated French behaviouristic tendences tended to widen the sphere of influence of their respective adoptive nations thereby becoming more French than the French, or more Russian than the Russians, o mejor dicho mas papa que el papa (i.e. more Catholic than the Pope)!

  34. Regarding Tajiks, speaking the Persian language does not make them Iranian but they do seem to fit perfectly into the mold of Persianness. In my sojourn, I have found them to be a ‘mixed” group, who through drift and isolation, formed their own community of solidarity thus embracing cultural adoption of their Iranian benefactors through association and affiliation.

    In Mazar-i-Sharif, there are more Asian in phenotype but when they leave that area, they seems to inherit a typical Afghan appearance (and without a doubt) the language of their forefathers through Persian influence.

  35. @tbraton

    The word Czar makes me think of Cowboy-wannabe Ronnie Reagan’s Drug Czar, a bullshit title that I was always of the opinion had no place in the American way of life, but then look at how things have “progressed since.

    Tzar definitely brings to mind the genuine Russian article and the selfish stupidity of the last of them that earned them and their kind their just desert.

    • 回复: @athEist
  36. In the same way left-wing liberals like to go on and on about the crimes of Hitler, right-wing liberals like to talk up the crimes of Stalin. It’s all about making nationalism look bad compared to cosmopolitan liberalism.

    .

    • 同意: Seamus Padraig
  37. @Philip Owen

    [quote]Russia wins when it allies with England:[/quote]

    1914? I’m having a little laugh.

  38. @5371

    Well its hardly a subtle exposition of precise and nuanced truths but what is “ignorant” about it and what is “mendacious” in your opinion – with reasons svp?

    • 回复: @5371
  39. Craken 说:
    @Marcus

    啊,是的,大饥荒神秘的神秘实用主义。 谁能比斯大林更没有精神病呢? 他只是一个典型的沙皇,碰巧发现尸体数量比平均水平高出几个数量级。

    • 回复: @Marcus
  40. I would like to see someone with more historical knowledge than I have comment or write lengthily on whether after a leftist revolution or guerrilla war, there is always a transition of a repressive state before transitioning to a stable form.

    Spain’s civil war followed by Franco
    Revolutionary France followed by Napoleon
    Bolshevik Russia followed by Stalin
    Communist civil war in China followed by Mao

    Or am I simplifying things too much?

    I think perhaps what I am seeing is a repression/expulsion of the opponents of a regime thoroughly enough so that after the repressive period, you do not have political turmoil, but stability. War being the first enemy of freedom (and security of property), it stands that the risk of eternal civil war will erode trust in society. Perhaps this is the problem in South America – the winners of the civil wars aren’t brutal enough to stamp out their opponents, thus, they are always around the corner to attempt to seize control again.

    Thinking about the American Revolution and Civil Wars, in the first, the colonies did a decent job expelling Loyalists to Canada, but also I think that the vast amount of space on the frontier available would have a mitigating effect on the malcontents.. I don’t know much about what happened to the Loyalists after the war though? Property seized? Moved back to the family in England? (Thomas Hutchinson comes to mind)

    After the civil war, it’s pretty easy to tell: exile for Davis and temporary ban from public life for the high officials. The infrastructure of the South was in pretty bad shape, so perhaps the risk of a second civil war was minimal though.

    I think it’s impressive that the US managed to avoid heavy purges as in many other revolutions, but perhaps it was unique in being a non-leftist revolution (that is, not solely for power) against a wide open new continent.

    But like I said, maybe this is too simplified of a view – I’d like more examples from non-industrial era Europe to judge… Are successful revolutions that are followed by heavy repression then followed by stability? Do successful revolutions not followed by a purge later collapse due to infighting?

  41. @Philip Owen

    ” Russia wins when it allies with England:”

    It turned out very bad when Russia allied with England in 1914

    • 回复: @Philip Owen
  42. Rehmat 说:

    “While other saw him like the epitome of evil, a genocidal maniac who killed more people than any other individual in history.”

    YES – Mr. Saker that’s the truth and your whitewashing of a fellow mass-murder is nothing but rewriting the White ace’s history.

    On January 30, 2016, Eric Margolis wrote: “Stalin was the biggest murderer of modern history – and maybe in of all mankind’s past. His number of victims was only rivaled by Genghis Khan and, in our era, Mao Zedong. Our media is full of stories about the persecution and mass killings of Europe’s Jews in the 1930’s and 1940’s. But that shouldn’t be used and reused to justify or excuse today’s repression of 5 million Palestinians.”

    Harvard historian professor Niall Ferguson in his highly praised 2006 book, The War of the World, claimed that some of the greatest mass murderers of modern times were Jewish. Ferguson’s research, however, centered on the Bolshevik revolution and the Lenin and Stalin era during which Jewish elites in the Russian government and Bolshevik terrorist organs like Cheka, GPU, NKVD and KGB, sent over 100 million Christian and Muslim communities to death camps or rooted out of their native homelands.

    关于这一主题的其他一些书籍包括弗兰克·布里顿(Frank Britton)的《共产主义的背后》,尤里·斯莱兹金(Yuri Slezkine)的《斯大林的甘心行刑者》,丹尼斯·法希牧师(Rev. Denis Fahey)的《俄罗斯统治者》和大卫·杜克(David Duke)博士的《共产主义的秘密》。 。

    https://rehmat1.com/2014/02/11/worlds-most-mass-murderers-were-jewish/

  43. War for Blair Mountain [又名“布莱尔山之战” 说:

    The Cold War was a scam used political and corporate elites in the US to enrich themselves.

    The Cold War against Russia-Soviet Union gave rise to the ism-America…that is America as an abstract proposition Nation that stands for freedom-liberty-free markets-equality. There is a direct road from this to:race-replacement immigration policy…legalized homo-filth marriage….transgendered perverts taking a dump next to seven year old girls in public bathrooms…White Conservative Christians being thrown into jail for refusing to bake a wedding cake for two homo bikers…Muslim Michigan…Muslim Pocono PA…

    Rethinking the Cold War is long overdue.

    And this brings me to my next point:The Ronnie Reagan worshipping of English Foriegner Peter Brimelow. I read the radio interview with Peter Brimelow this morning over at vdare.com. Ronnie Reagan worshipping was, and still is a death sentence for The Historic Native Born White American Working Class. The revolt against the open and deliberate policy of race-replacing the The Historic Native Born White American Working Class can not take place within English Foreigner Peter Brimelow’s Ronnie Reagan iconography.

    The Ronnie Reagan Adminstration almost brought The Human Species to the brink of thermonuclear extinction twice!!!

    Let me sum the whole thing up:The Cold War=the integration of The US Armed Forces=The Civil Rights Act for Blacks in 1964=The passage of The 1965 Immigration Reform Act=the mass importation of the high fertility-highly racialized Democratic Party Voting Bloc=Barack Obama elected POTUS in 2008+2012+Bill Clinton in 1992+1998=Mass murder of Conservative Orthodox Christian Russians in the Eastern Ukraine in the name of homo rights….

    The Cold War wasn’t worth it. There are nearly 60 thousand names of mostly American Teenagers on the Vietnam Memorial in DC…this is the real world consequences of Ronnie Reagan Worshipping and free market(what ever this means) worshipping.

    • 回复: @Rick Johnson
  44. Ivan K. 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Yes, capitalism to work needs national character. And for communism or socialism to work it also needs national character. Stalin failed in changing the national character, i.e. in realizing his vision of “a Soviet man.” Consequently, we can see the Soviet stagnation and collapse as demonstrations of that.

    The industrialisation rates of Czarist Russia were higher than those of the Soviet Union up until 1928.

    So, what’s your actual objection to the claim that “Bolshevism did nothing for Russian industry that capitalism wouldn’t have done anyway”?

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  45. TheJester 说:

    萨克

    Your representation of the situation in the Soviet Union through the terrors and the purges is consistent with my readings, which include most of Solzhenitsyn’s works:

    The purges were an attempt to rid the Soviet Union of control by the Trotskyites (a.k.a. Jews) bent on sacrificing Russia to the Jewish utopian vision of the “New Soviet Man”. If this is true, the Great Purges were thinly veiled anti-Jewish pogroms. If this is true, it puts Stalin in the category of the leader of perhaps one of the first successful patriotic reactions to the Jewish globalist movement. The Trotskyite ideologues have since appeared in the United States to implement their utopian vision of what is now the “New Capitalistic Man”, seeing little difference it appears between the (Jewish-controlled) state-run capitalism of the Soviet Union and (Jewish-controlled) bank-sponsored capitalism on Wall Street.)

    Stalin and Putin were/are dealing with different times. The Trotskyites were ruthless. Perhaps Stalin, in turn, had to be equally ruthless to have any chance of succeeding against them. I offer the same judgment about Putin and his war against the Atlanticists (globalists by another name who now apparently have a controlling interest in what you call the AngloZionist Empire).

    In short, Stalin, in spite of the blood let, was the man for his time. The alternative (control by the Trotskyites) would have been worse. Putin is equally the man for his time. The alternative (control by the Atlanticists) would have been worse. These two accommodations, if true, throw a different, alternative light on the history of the 20th Century.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
    , @animalogic
  46. War for Blair Mountain [又名“布莱尔山之战” 说:

    The Nazis and the Fascists have always been in bed with the enemies of European People. Franco went to war against the Catholic Spanish Working Class. He brought the Moors back into Spain to murder and rape Working Class Catholic Women(take that Laguna Beach Old Fogey and creepy Croat Nazi Tom Sunic!!).

    Just look at who the Western Ukrainian Fascists are in bed with. I hate the Nazis and I hate the Fascists…and I wrote this as a Native Born White American Race Patriot.

    • 回复: @schmenz
    , @Niccolo Salo
  47. Ivan K. 说:
    @syonredux

    The above comment completely ignores Grover Furr’s work. It details how the complete present-day historiography on Stalin’s era is based on smoke and mirrors. Stalin was doubtless unscrupulous in many ways; it’s just that one has yet to dig up the primary sources that prove his villainy.

    • 同意: Regnum Nostrum
    • 回复: @syonredux
  48. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    Saker, thanks for so many great essays. Please change only one thing:

    Commas and periods that are part of the overall sentence go inside the quotation marks, even though they aren’t part of the original quotation.

    http://www.thepunctuationguide.com/quotation-marks.html#adjacentpunctuation

    Small matter, but the way you are doing it looks bad and lowers perception of quality.

    • 回复: @tbraton
  49. @Philip Owen

    There is plenty of evidence that “capitalists” supported not only Mark itself, but also Bolshies and later, Stalin.

    Bella Dodd and Anthony Sutton wrote about it and there is a classic Robert Minor cartoon ( in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch in 1911) that pretty much sez it all.

    The mythological capitalist vs communist antagonism is another tooth grindingly annoying false dichotomy.

    • 回复: @Philip Owen
  50. Marcus 说:
    @Craken

    The “holodomor” is Ukrainian nationalist agitprop, millions of people of various nationalities died due to horrible mismanagement and neglect, not an organized programme of genocide. And yes, If other Czars had lived in modern times, their body counts would’ve been on par with Stalin’s.

    • 回复: @Sam J.
  51. Sherman 说:

    嘿安德烈

    Maybe all those evil Jews – and their supporters – who live in Florida need to be aware of where they go to get treatment for their pets.

    棚架

    • 回复: @Rehmat
  52. Marcus 说:
    @Guy Flaneur

    From Kevin MacDonald

    For example, there were 23 Jews among 62 Bolsheviks in the All-Russian Central Executive Committee

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/stalins-willing-executioners So overrepresented, yes, but not the majority, and that’s only at the very top, the rank and file were even less jewish.

  53. Stalin was absolutely correct in purging the Soviet military from these generals and officers before WWII.

    Yes, to kill some of his best generals a few years before the start of WW2 was very smart. They were executed because of forged German documents accusing them of collaboration with Wehrmacht. This was confirmed in his memoirs by Walter Schellenberg who became the head of German foreign intelligence in 1944 and by former president of Czechoslovakia, Edward Benes. On January 31, 1957, Tukhachevsky and his codefendants were declared innocent of all charges and were “rehabilitated”.

  54. J1234 说:

    Still, the Stalinists have a powerful counter-argument: could a kind and gentle person like the Czar Martyr Nicholas II have prevailed against Adolf Hitler?

    Would Hitler even have invaded a Czarist Russia? I thought his motivation for invading the USSR was a contempt, distrust and fear of communism.

    • 回复: @Andrei Martyanov
  55. Rurik 说:
    @Thirdeye

    [Stalin] … But the narrative that he was some bloodthirsty monster is nonsense.

    aren’t you the guy who says the Holodomor was self-inflicted?

    线索: 不是

    it was a brutal (beyond words or comprehension) genocidal campaign to starve to death millions of the most successful food producers the world had ever known. They were mass-murdered in the most cruel way imaginable, (slow, and excruciatingly horrible deaths while watching their children waste away in front of their eyes). Including tales of cannibalism.

    Imagine a government that, rather than finding the Donner Party and giving them food and succor, finds a group of people thriving and prospering, and then deliberately imposes on them a Donner Party fate, while hoarding food and supplies and watches as these people (men, women and children) die slowly by the millions- out of sheer, otherworldly hatred for humans of ability.

    If that doesn’t describe a monster, thirdeye, then I don’t know what does.

    reminds me of that other monster in human form, and no doubt Stalin would say the same thing about the Kulaks, that it was “worth it”.

    • 同意: OutWest
    • 回复: @schmenz
    , @CanSpeccy
    , @Thirdeye
  56. tbraton 说:
    @Anonymous

    I hope you are aware that there is a difference between the American style of punctuation and the British style of punctuation. As the first sentence of your linked article states, “Though not necessarily logical, the American rules for multiple punctuation with quotation marks are firmly established. (See here for a brief explanation of the British style.)” Since I am American, I follow the prevailing American style, but I don’t think it is correct to criticize someone who chooses to follow the British style or learned the British style. (The Brits place commas outside quotation marks, in case it is not clear.)

  57. Andrei Martyanov [AKA“ SmoothieX12”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Regnum Nostrum

    Yes, to kill some of his best generals a few years before the start of WW2 was very smart.

    You evidently have no concept of difference between the “best” and “innocent”. The latter does not create the former and vice versa.

    P.S. Tuchachevsky hardly was “best”. Most popular? Yes.

    • 回复: @Regnum Nostrum
  58. Andrei Martyanov [AKA“ SmoothieX12”] 说: • 您的网站
    @J1234

    Would Hitler even have invaded a Czarist Russia? I thought his motivation for invading the USSR was a contempt, distrust and fear of communism.

    Hitler also cared great deal about human rights.

  59. No_0ne 说:
    @Philip Owen

    Of course, the issue at hand is not really “Were the Bolsheviks an improvement on the old regime?” Obviously not. But, just as obviously, Nicholas II wasn’t in the running for the leadership of Russia in the 20s (or 30s).

    The more interesting question that this piece brings up, is “Given that the Bolsheviks had already consolidated power prior to Lenin’s death, was Stalin a better option than Trotsky, Kamenev, Zinoviev, etc. would have been?” Despite the millions of lives lost, the answer may well be a qualified “yes.”

  60. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Andrei Martyanov

    “Would Hitler even have invaded a Czarist Russia?”

    Yes. Lebensraum ideology was about race and land.

    But, if the Russian Revolution hadn’t happened, there would have been no Nazi Germany.

    The conservative German elites supported the Nazis out of fear of communism, and this fear had much to do with rise of Red Russia.

    World War I led to communist takeover of Russia that drove many conservatives to the far right as a weapon against the spread of Marxism-Leninism.

    But, if Nazi Germany had coexisted alongside Czarist Russia, Hitler still would have pondered invading and taking over Russia. And he might have won against a weaker Russia. Stalinism did allow for massive state control of masses and resources, something lacking under the more willy-nilly Czar.

    On the other hand, suppose WWI hadn’t happened. Suppose Russian government and business elites had remained heavily German as indeed they were. Even Russian military had largely been trained and managed by key Germans.

    Under those circumstances, it’s possible that Hitler, as hypothetical ruler of Germany, would have been less hostile to Russia.

  61. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @TheJester

    “The purges were an attempt to rid the Soviet Union of control by the Trotskyites (a.k.a. Jews) bent on sacrificing Russia to the Jewish utopian vision of the “New Soviet Man”. If this is true, the Great Purges were thinly veiled anti-Jewish pogroms. If this is true, it puts Stalin in the category of the leader of perhaps one of the first successful patriotic reactions to the Jewish globalist movement.”

    According to Yuri Slezkine’s THE JEWISH CENTURY, Jews were not particularly targeted. Jewish victims just get more attention because West is Jewish-dominated. There were many Jewish victims of Stalinist terror but because they happened to be over-represented in the government. If a barrel is made up of 30% oranges, and if you randomly shoot at the barrel, 30% of your hits is likely to be oranges. Not because you targeted oranges but because there are lots of them in the barrel.

    The fact is non-Jewish groups fared just as badly or even worse during the purges. Polish communists and Latvian communists in the government got hit as hard or even worse than the Jews.
    And Stalin’s policies were hellish for Baltic Germans and Volga Germans.
    Stalin was an equal opportunity oppressor.

    Anyway, many Jews took part in the purges, and there were many Jews still in government even after the purge.

    I think it was mainly a power struggle. Sure, Stalin distrusted Jews but he also distrusted fellow Georgians. Many people in Georgia were killed or sent to the Gulag.

    Also, even if Trotsky didn’t have single drop of Jewish blood and was fully Russian, Stalin would have bumped him off just the same. Stalin wanted total power, and that mean NO RIVALS. Stalin surrounded himself with yes-men. Trotsky couldn’t play that role since he was one of the big stars of the Revolution. And Stalin knew it.

    But all communists acted this way. Mao’s government was all Chinese, but he had purges all over. It was about power.

    I think Stalin turned explicitly against the Jews only after Israel sided with the US. USSR did so much to help create Israel, but Zionists, though ideologically socialist, opted for an alliance with US. This made Stalin angry, and he began to suspect Soviet Jews were beginning to feel as ‘Jews first, Soviets second’. And his suspicions were right. In the end, identity is stronger than ideology. After all, even communist nations split apart along nationalist lines.

  62. War for Blair Mountain [又名“布莱尔山之战” 说:

    There is a direct road from the anti-commie crusade of the 1950s to NC 2016 where the NC Governor just caved in on the tranny-in-little-girls-bathroom issue….2016 Cold Warism=”WE ARE A BETTER PEOPLE THAN THOSE HOMOPHOBIC CONSERVATIVE ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN RUSSKIES”

    The US is the rotting stinking rancid corpse of Ronnie Reagan…..whose Whitehouse was a revolving door for homosexual pedophiles according to Washington Times.

    The Blessings of Diversity!!!!=US Navy Officer Commander Edward C Lin…. And don’t forget the little Cambodian legal immigrant US Navy Admiral who was arrested for spying for China.

    It all began with the post-WW2 Cold War Era. It was a miracle that JFK wasn’t allowed to start thermonuclear war in Oct 1962… God Bless Russian Commie Navy Officer Vitali Akhipov!!!!!

  63. @Andrei Martyanov

    Of course Marshal of the Soviet Union Tukhachevsky cannot compare to Generalissimo Smoothie.

  64. dahoit 说:

    Excellent take.Let Russians judge theirs,and let US judge ours.But our modern troskyites have other plans.
    Stalin and Hitler were both responses to Jews controlling their respective nations affairs,and something relevant to today in America.
    And they hate Trump.Lets see,uh,if serial liars of disaster after disaster call someone bad,he has to be great!The most logical approach one can make.
    Your conflicting emotions about Stalin reminds me of when I say to myself,how come Hitler couldn’t win the war,then America wouldn’t have this affliction of Zionism destroying US.
    And then I say to myself,the guy was a nut.
    What a screwed up world.
    And yeah re CCs and numbers and intent;It all comes from serial liars.

  65. Agent76 说:

    (English audio) Mar 31, 2016 Russian FM spokesperson Zakharova holds press briefing in Moscow

    Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova will give a weekly press briefing in Moscow on Thursday, March 31.

  66. Agent76 说:

    Apr 8, 2016 Putin shows German skills, unexpectedly steps in as translator at forum

    The Russian president has surprised the audience at a forum in St. Petersburg, by allowing his German language skills to shine. He stepped in as translator for the former West German Defense Secretary Willy Wimmer.

  67. Rurik 说:

    I’m reading your interesting article and enjoying it, but I just wanted to make a little comment on this one part…

    Stalinists have a powerful counter-argument: could a kind and gentle person like the Czar Martyr Nicholas II have prevailed against Adolf Hitler? I don’t have a reply to this, but I admit that the argument is compelling.

    My answer to this is that had Czar Nicholas and his family not been butchered in that basement, but rather still ruling Russia, that there never would have been any threat from Hitler’s Nazi Germany in the first place. In fact there never would have been a 纳粹 Germany to begin with, because Hitler and the Nazis were a direct consequence and answer to the very real and very dire threat that the Bolsheviks were to Germany in the 1930s. Hitler came to power as an alternative to the communists who were trying to take over Germany. And when Hitler went to war against the Soviets, he wasn’t trying to kill Russians per se, but was trying to crush the genocidal threat of the communist fiend in its lair.

    Hitler, for all his catastrophic hubris and racism, was fighting a righteous fight against evil incarnate.

  68. Andrei Martyanov [AKA“ SmoothieX12”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Priss Factor

    Haushofer’s ideas played a huge role and he predated Hitler by about quarter of a century.

  69. War for Blair Mountain [又名“布莱尔山之战” 说:
    @Priss Factor

    The Conservative German Elites’ major fear was a German Working Class Revolt against the Ancien Regime. The German Conservative Elite who wrote the blue-print for Germany’s WW1 military strategy has this on his tombstone:”Long Live The Ancien Regime”.

    Revolution was in the air pre-WW1 and post-WW1 Hitler.

    The potential trouble-makers for the enthusiasts for the Ancien Regime were Germany’s young Men. The solution to this problem was to use them as canon fodder in two World Wars. The same thing has been going on in the US since the end of WW2.

    Of all this is can also be understood as the reaction of European Monarchy and its insider elite class supporters(this includes the European Christian Churches during the labor revolts that were occurring during the Industrial Revolution) to labor revolts.

    It terrible tragic that WW2 had to occur occurred, for the Native Born White American Working Class pre-WW2 was isolationist and hardcore racist(an very Germanic.) The Austrian retard Adolf Shicklegruber screwed everything up when he declared war against Russia.

    • 回复: @Thirdeye
  70. what Stalin did is this: he unleashed the Bolshevik “old guard” (i.e. Trotskyists) against the military and once the military was purged, he then unleashed his own “new guard” (“Stalinists”) against the Trotskyists and purged the Party from most of them. Very very ruthless indeed but, in all honesty, also very smart.

    Makes Stalin sound like a paranoid version of Donald Trump:

    “We don’t win any more.

    Our military has been led by very very stupid people.

    So today I had the OGPU shoot every single officer.

    Now we’re gonna win so often you’ll be sick of winning.

    And since those OGPU guys are a bunch of killers, I created the NKVD and had them shoot every OGPU agent.

    Very very ruthless but, in all honesty, also very smaaarrt.”

    至于,

    … could a kind and gentle person like the Czar Martyr Nicholas II have prevailed against Adolf Hitler?

    Nicky wash’t kind or gentle. He was wishy-washy. He was feeble-minded. He was hen-pecked. He allowed the scoundrel Rasputin, who dominated his wife, to dictate public policy, except, when it would have helped, on the fatal issue of war. He was intolerant of outstanding figures, such as Witte, who served in government. But he firmly believed in the use of the gallows and the knout and he launched WWI in the full knowledge that millions of Russians would die. Russia was the first to mobilize and did so against Austria-Hungary in defense of Serbia, although Nicholas must have known that Serbia was criminally involved in the assassination of the heir to the Austrian throne, Archduke Franz Ferdinand.

    Nicholas went to war to satisfy imperialistic ambitions, particularly control of the Dardanelles Straits. Everyone of Nicky’s Romanoff predecessors had ruled a greater empire at death than on their accession to the throne, and Nicholas intended to do the same. He failed largely because he failed to ensure that the people of St. Petersburg were adequately fed. That’s why they backed the revolutionaries.

    • 回复: @5371
  71. 5371 说:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Study Jon Halpenny’s comment of 10.41 am and expand upon it by analogy. Exercise for the reader))

  72. dahoit 说:
    @iffen

    Eichmanns? were more reliable.
    Stalin did win ww2,btw,with a little help from erstwhile friends.

  73. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Ivan K.

    —–So, what’s your actual objection to the claim that “Bolshevism did nothing for Russian industry that capitalism wouldn’t have done anyway”?——

    It is this. Bolshevism worked by force, terror, and coercion. Those are bad things but they get things done.

    Now, capitalism can get more done, but only by a combination of work ethic, discipline, national character, rule of law, pleasure principle, incentives, and culture of competition. If Russia had those qualities, capitalism would have done wonders. But Russia didn’t have them. Russian aristocratic elites were full of snobbery. Russian masses with serf backgrounds knew either to keep heads bowed low before the Tsar or rise up in anger. Obedience or rebellion, but nothing in between.

    Sure, there was rapid industrialization in the 19th century, but it was only in select areas, and many of the entrepreneurs were non-Russian.. just like many of the top businessmen in the Ottoman Empire were Jews, Greeks, and Armenians than Turks.
    Also, due to cultural difference among the various classes, Russian industrial development created more divisions. In contrast, economic development in America made all peoples feel more free. But then, Americans had background in owning their own land. Russians had background in having once been serfs not long ago.

    Since Russians lacked the qualities and systems that make capitalism work well, one could argue that communism did get things done by FORCING Russians to work their butts off. It’s like the Negroes. They be wild and crazy. So, they’ve ruined entire cities under capitalism and freedom. Blacks don’t have the requisite virtues to make capitalism work. But under slavery, blacks were productive and hardworking. So, even though slavery was wrong and unjust, it did get things done with the Negroes.

    Communism was like a prison-slave system. Given that Russians are naturally a race of bear-wrestling, vodka-swilling, and table-dancing loons, communism did whip them into shape and force them to work. So, in this sense, Stalin’s rapid industrialization of Russia owed to communism. Stalin made Russians do something that doesn’t come naturally to them. A German with work ethic has an inner-overseer who is whipping him to work. So, even in a free system, there is a voice inside the German that says, ‘warum du nicht worken?’ So, the German gets off his ass and works. But there is no such inner-overseer in the Russian soul. Inside the Russian soul is the voice of a vodka merchant that says, ‘here, drink some more and get drunk and wrestle more bears and break more tables’. Since Russians lack the inner-overseer, they need the outer overseer to make sure that they work. And Stalin was that overseer.

    The good side of communism is that it brought order, command structure, discipline, and spartan spirit to Russians.
    But the bad side of communism is lack of initiative, bureaucratic red tape, pervasive control of private life, and etc. One feels like a prisoner in jail. Also, initially the true-believing intellectuals and ignorant masses are fired up and motivated by idealism and dream of utopia. But as time passes, intellectuals and elites grow more cynical with dogma. And the masses realize it’s all just a rigged game and look over their shoulder while shirking work.

    This is why fascism works better in the long run. It brings order and discipline but also allows free enterprise and individuality.
    And this is the reason for Chinese success since the Deng Era. The Party still enforces unity and nationalism but the market economy does allow freedom, enterprise, and competition. And look at the fascist model of Lee of Singapore. He instituted a system of order, discipline, and harmony, but there’s also room for enterprise and freedom.

    If Stalin had been a fascist or turned toward fascism, he would have done wonders for Russia. He whipped people into shape. He instilled Russians with discipline. But under communism, such hardness eventually turned slack since communism doesn’t allow much in the way of individual freedom.

    It’s like athletic training. Initially, you have to make the athletes obey and listen to the coach. Athletes can’t be free. They must train and follow orders and train harder. But once the athlete is in top conditioning, you have to give him freedom to develop his own style and be his own person. Communism never allowed that. It turned Russians into a hard working force but they always had to take orders from the system that grew increasingly lethargic, burdensome, and dogmatic.. and corrupt and cynical.

    Under capitalism or fascism, even when the government doesn’t work well, people of talent can do great things in business or other areas. But in a ultra-statist system like communism, the government is everything. If it grows slow and tiresome, everyone follows and must follow. Everything lives or dies along with the state under communism.

    Even so, there was a time when Stalin did use the bullwhip to force Russians to work harder and achieve awesome stuff. But it wasn’t just by force but by inspiration. Russians were worked like slaves but in the name of creating a better future for their children. Of course, Russia had the advantage of great natural resources, and that had something to do with the fact that Soviet Russia had, within a decade, gained the means to crush Japan in Manchuria(forcing Japan to make a peace treaty with USSR) and even defeat Germany after the most devastating sucker punch in history of warfare.

    Anyway, Russians need to discuss national character. Russia has so much potential but has achieved so little. They got the people, the land, the resources, but their economy is far below that of Japan and Germany? This is embarrassing.

    And even in Russia, look how certain non-Russian groups far out-perform Russians who are too busying fooling around and acting silly.

    Russian character is, at once, too reactionary and too unruly. Russians are like conservative barbarians. Hampered by tradition and given to anarchy with drink and whoring. Is it any wonder that Russia has been the land of obedient serfs and crazy anarchists?

    The American Cowboy is the better model. A man of freedom but also creator of law and order. An individualist but also protector of community. Like John Wayne in MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE.

    If John Wayne were Russian, he would be wrestling with bears, be drunk on vodka half the time, and break every table by dancing on it.

    • 回复: @dahoit
    , @tbraton
  74. J 说:

    Stalin greatest achievement was in the field of the nationalities. The Red Army was a multinational fighting organization that completely destroyed the Nazi ethnically homogeneous force. Without Stalin genius to hold together very different and mutually hostile nations, the whole SSSR collapsed and now Ukraine is in war with Russia, the Caucasus and the Baltics are lost and the Germans and Jews left. Russia is a shadow of the great Soviet Union.

  75. syonredux 说:
    @Ivan K.

    The above comment completely ignores Grover Furr’s work. It details how the complete present-day historiography on Stalin’s era is based on smoke and mirrors. Stalin was doubtless unscrupulous in many ways; it’s just that one has yet to dig up the primary sources that prove his villainy.

    Dear fellow, Furr is a Stalinist version of Holocaust deniers. I simply don’t take him seriously.

    • 回复: @Wally
  76. dahoit 说:
    @Thomas O. Meehan

    The Russian govt at present is a Parliamentary capitalistic entity.
    The venom at present is palpable from the Zionists and their lackeys towards Russia,and its elected President Putin.
    Explain wo propaganda.
    The hated ?Russians sold US our economic biggest asset btw,Alaska.
    There was no history of bad blood between US and Russia until post ww1,(American troops were sent to help the whites)first anti bolshevik action ,and then , mid to post ww2,as the MSM contained many expatriate commies,who turned on Stalin over Trotsky.

  77. War for Blair Mountain [又名“布莱尔山之战” 说:
    @Rurik

    鲁里克

    The updated version of your comments was the Cold War against the Russkies!!!! that nearly brought the US and Russia to within 60 seconds of thermonuclear extinction. The charge of COMMUNIST!!!!! was hurled against every Native Born White American Working Class Revolt in pre-Bolshevik Russia…updated to Bolshevik post-Czarist Russia.

    It’s not like the German and Native Born White American Working Class didn’t have a reason to revolt against Monarchy and Greedy psychopathic Industrialist like Carniege and Fricke…Exact same sewage that one sees in Radix Journal Commenter Laguna Beach Old Fogey…Come over and debate me here you creepy character….which Monarchy do you want to serve..The Trump Monarchy?

  78. OutWest 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Makes sense. But you seem to be using the term fascism in an economic organization sense rather than the usual pejorative manner. Could you expand a bit on fascism as you view the term?

  79. War for Blair Mountain [又名“布莱尔山之战” 说:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    My comment should read:”during the pre-Bolshevik era” and “updated from Communist to Bolshevik for Bolshevik Russia era”….

    By the way, Phyliss Schafly was a well know enthusiast for thermonuclear war with Russia. This might have something to do with the fact she married into a Wealthy Big Business Family that hated Native Born White Amercian Working Class Union Men.

    Did Phyliss Shafly’s mathematician son…minimial surface theory…every volunteer to fight the commies in Vietnam? He was a teenager during this time period.

    Phyliss Schafly=A Cold War Era old skank for Ronnie Reagan!!!

  80. dahoit 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Neofascism is what we are now under.It’s not working.Most likely because we are working for Zions fascism,not Americas.We aren’t allowed to be nationalists,its Trumpish.
    Not a commie,and dislike Nazis.
    But if not for Mao,China would still be a fourth world hellhole,instead of the united economic powerhouse it is.he unified China from the warlords and corrupt Chiang clowns.
    The lying times had a story of wealthy Chinese buying up Vancouver BC recently.They got the bling!

  81. dahoit 说:
    @Priss Factor

    The AK47,the T34,the first satellite in space,the first man in space,and the fact that we need their rocket engines belies your take.
    Communism doesn’t work because of human nature and greed.Yes,they couldn’t produce enough widgets for the masses,but they did produce many things absolutely necessary for survival.And the natural resource abundance they have will drive them to the top of the worlds economies,watch.
    All humans are capable of any human activity,only prejudice? says no.

    • 回复: @Thomas O. Meehan
  82. 5371 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    There may have been an excuse for believing that Rasputin dictated public policy while he was alive. There’s none for continuing to believe it now in the teeth of historical research.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  83. Rurik 说:

    The charge of COMMUNIST!!!!! was hurled against every Native Born White American Working Class Revolt in pre-Bolshevik Russia

    there is a difference between a movement to unionize and agitate for humane working conditions against capitalist slavers, vs. a regime of genocidal racists hell bent on the final solution to the white Russians and other’s of ability like Kulak peasant farmers who don’t want to be starved or gulaged to death, sir.

    It’s not like the German and Native Born White American Working Class didn’t have a reason to revolt against Monarchy and Greedy psychopathic Industrialist like Carniege and Fricke

    isn’t that EXACTLY what Hitler did? Give the German people 工作 (and dignity and hope and food on the table) with a National 社会主义的 safety net?

    Come over and debate me here you creepy character….which Monarchy do you want to serve..The Trump Monarchy?

    are you talking to me?

    if you want to know what I serve, it’s Free Introduction

    • 回复: @War for Blair Mountain
  84. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Quartermaster

    Utter nonsense, your assertion is simply laughable.

    You have no proof and if you think you do, then bring it here and learn. You have no chance in a rational, no name calling debate.

    http://www.codoh.forum.com

    It’s noted that you are trying to distance the false claims of the bogus ‘holocau\$t’ from the absurd ‘gas chambers’, very good, however there is no physical proof for your nutty “labor batallions and sonderkommando” claims.

    Your fall back position smells of desperation in lieu of irrefutable revisionist research.

    “ 6万犹太人,5万其他犹太人和毒气室”在科学上是不可能的欺诈行为。
    请参阅此处揭穿的“大屠杀”骗局:
    http://www.codoh.com
    没有名字的呼唤,在这里进行公平的竞争环境辩论:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    还应注意,尽管犹太人声称确切知道这些所谓的巨大坟墓在哪里,但实际上并没有一个可验证的,可挖出的群众坟墓,而不仅仅是声称可以开采(回想起埋葬在特雷布林卡的900,000的索赔)。

    “大屠杀”故事情节是有史以来最容易被揭穿的叙事之一。 这就是为什么那些质疑它的人遭到逮捕和迫害的原因。 这就是为什么暴力,种族主义和特权至上的犹太至上主义者要求进行审查。 压制寻求真理的自由是什么真理? 真实的事实不需要受到审查。

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  85. @Andrei Martyanov

    Human rights you say? Did the actions of Joey’s supporters, Winnie and Frankie, show much concern about human rights? The dudes that used atomic weapons on already beaten anti-commies and innocents were concerned about what?How about the concern shown by the originators and perpetrators of 20th century Zionism?

    “每次希特勒关押对手时,您都以正义为由进行抗议; 但是您忘了斯大林和他的公司被监禁和谋杀的人数是前者的一千倍。 在我看来,并且确实有明确的证据,与莫斯科的强盗和刺客相比,希特勒几乎不比一个普通的库·科克塞尔和墨索里尼几乎是慈善家。

    – HL Mencken在致Upton Sinclair的公开信中,于1936年XNUMX月印在《美国水星》上

    Note to Saker: You did a fine job with the article. It’s info that needs to be known and considered.

  86. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @syonredux

    真的吗?

    Is that why free speech is illegal in many countries concerning your impossible & laughable ‘holocau\$t’?

    If it is ‘proven fact’ then why arrest & imprison people for free speech about it?

    Because it cannot withstand rational scrutiny, that’s why.

    “ 6万犹太人,5万其他犹太人和毒气室”在科学上是不可能的欺诈行为。
    请参阅此处揭穿的“大屠杀”骗局:
    http://www.codoh.com
    没有名字的呼唤,在这里进行公平的竞争环境辩论:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    还应注意,尽管犹太人声称确切知道这些所谓的巨大坟墓在哪里,但实际上并没有一个可验证的,可挖出的群众坟墓,而不仅仅是声称可以开采(回想起埋葬在特雷布林卡的900,000的索赔)。

    “大屠杀”故事情节是有史以来最容易被揭穿的叙事之一。 这就是为什么那些质疑它的人遭到逮捕和迫害的原因。 这就是为什么暴力,种族主义和特权至上的犹太至上主义者要求进行审查。 压制寻求真理的自由是什么真理? 真实的事实不需要受到审查。

    • 回复: @syonredux
    , @Andrew E. Mathis
  87. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Quartermaster

    A must read here about the scam ‘6M’.

    The Six Million / 从1869开始
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6915

    • 回复: @The most deplorable one
  88. Sean 说:

    中央情报局官方网站评论斯大林所知道的:巴巴罗萨之谜
    ” Murphy reprints two secret letters from Hitler to Stalin that he found in the published Russian sources, hitherto unknown in the West. In these, the Führer seeks to reassure the Soviet dictator about the scarcely concealable German military buildup in eastern Europe. Hitler confides to Stalin that troops were being moved east to protect them from British bombing and to conceal the preparations for the invasion of the British Isles. He concludes with an assurance “on my honor as a head of state” that Germany would not attack the Soviet Union.[2] Some may question the authenticity of these letters, but they are difficult to dismiss out of hand. Assuming they are genuine, they add to what is perhaps the most bewildering paradox of the Soviet-German war: Stalin, the man who trusted no one, trusted Hitler.”

    • 回复: @Regnum Nostrum
  89. syonredux 说:
    @Wally

    真的吗?

    Yes, dear fellow, really. Furr is the Stalinist mirror-image of people who go around arguing that Hitler didn’t kill 5 million plus Jews, 3 million plus Soviet POWs, 700,000 European civilians in “reprisal” operations (around 300,000 of them in Belarus alone), etc, etc

    • 回复: @Wally
  90. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    你他妈是认真的吗?

  91. War for Blair Mountain [又名“布莱尔山之战” 说:
    @Rurik

    Saker knows more about Russia than you do..so I’ll defer to him. Did the Russian Peasants consent to murdered by the Nazis? Did they consent to have the Nazis invade Mother Russia?

    What the farting Austrian Retard offered young German Men was mass death. The same thing that the retard Western Ukranian psychopathic Nazis offer young Western Ukranian Men.We already know how things played out. There were are alternatives to worshipping the farting Furher.

    As far as European People go, the Nazis were a lethal experiment. And we can see this today in the Western Ukraine.

    Just a reminder:The Nazis were enablers of the Jap Bastards and the Bosnian Muslims.

    Moreover, I reject the assumption that Hitler and the Nazis were horrified in the least bit by Stalin’s mass murder ….which I wouldn’t call genocidal..still very bad.

    But tell me..in 2016 what retard farting Fuhrer would you like to follow and sacrifice your life for?

    Calling Hitler pro-worker is blasphemy against the all peasant-worker revolts in European and American History.

    I think you are a liar…and you lie on behalf of a dead retard Austrian degenerate and defective.

    • 回复: @Rurik
  92. @Rurik

    I’ve been trying to make that point here, unsuccessfully.

    I can’t call Hitlers fight “Righteous.” The existence of the Communist USSR did make his aggression plausible however.

    • 回复: @Rurik
  93. @Wally

    Is the playing field not level here? Why or why not?

    • 回复: @Wally
  94. @Marcus

    Ah, but remember the famous “sealed train” that traversed Germany with Lenin and his Bolsheviks AND Gold inside. The Finland Station was their arrival in St. Petersburg. Once Lenin was in power through the expenditure of Western gold, a peace treaty taking Russia out of WWI was accomplished.

    Read LENIN IN ZURICH by Solzhenitsyn to get a flavor of Lenin before he departed for St. Pete, and consider Parvus’ (Alexander Helphand) actions. I wonder who funded the whole OP?

    • 回复: @Thomas O. Meehan
    , @Marcus
  95. schmenz 说:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    I’m afraid your views on Franco are in great need of reality. Instead of regurgitating the tiresome Black Legend against Spain it would I believe edify you to learn what Franco really believed, and did.

    There is much well-researched and honest literature out there on this subject, which for some odd reason you wont find at wikipedia.

    这可能会有所帮助: http://catholicism.org/forty-years-after-francos-death.html

    • 回复: @War for Blair Mountain
  96. schmenz 说:
    @Rurik

    Excellent, Rurik.

    Revisionist history is one thing, but when they try to rehabilitate that old monster Stalin then it gets a tad ridiculous.

    • 回复: @War for Blair Mountain
  97. The figure of Stalin has always been a controversial one. Some thought of him as the “leader of all times and all nations” (“вождь всех времен и народов”) while other saw him like the epitome of evil, a genocidal maniac who killed more people than any other individual in history. In reality, that kind of polarization is probably a strong indication of the fact that this issue is a very complex one and that a simple black and white answer is unlikely to correctly evaluate the person of Stalin and his legacy.

    At least we can take solace in the thought that Hitler was evil incarnate, and Trump is his disciple!

  98. @War for Blair Mountain

    Memory tells me that Reagan didn’t take office until 6 years had passed from the fall of Saigon.

    • 回复: @athEist
  99. Philip Owen [又名“ soarintothesky”] 说:
    @Jon Halpenny

    The core Russian alliance was with France. Says it all really. The British Empire could have kept out of it or even joined the Germans.

    • 回复: @Jon Halpenny
  100. @dahoit

    Poor choice of examples.

    The AK47 is clearly based on German models and seems to have been designed with at least the help of Hugo Schmeisser.
    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/14/designed-ak-47/

    The overall layout of the T34 was taken from American designer J. Walter Christy of Rahway New Jersey.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Walter_Christie

    Of course the USSR and Russia had and have many fine scientists and technicians and have produced some remarkable achievements. I think economics was a major impediment to success though. The demands and priorities of a centralized socialist economy warped the efforts of even the best designers. I can think of a number of vehicles/designs like the ekranoplane (SP?) that looked promising but were hopelessly impractical in terms of economical operation.

    “And the natural resource abundance they have will drive them to the top of the worlds economies,watch.” Oh yes, that’s why Saudi Arabia and Brazil lead the world in so many fields! Seriously extraction based economics is more of curse than a blessing. Putin needs to find a way of building a high tech export based economic model. Russia has the technical knowhow but can’t seem to bring things to the world market at a competitive price. Why? I just don’t know.

    • 回复: @Marcus
  101. tbraton 说:
    @Priss Factor

    ” Given that Russians are naturally a race of bear-wrestling, vodka-swilling, and table-dancing loons”

    I nearly swooned when I read that sentence. Fortunately, I had some fainting salts at hand, which forestalled a collapse to the floor. But surely that sentence must violate some tenets of Political Correctness.

    • 回复: @dcite
  102. Philip Owen [又名“ soarintothesky”] 说:
    @Jacques Sheete

    Marx couldn’t have sustained his career without subsidy from Engels, his co author. Engels was the son of a wealthy German family who had been sent to the UK to manage his family’s cotton mills. It’s difficult to get more capitalist than that.

    The Marxian view that society is shaped by economic forces is one that most liberal capitalist politicians sign up to strongly. Church and State are far behind in consideration these days.

  103. @tbraton

    This punctilio over the Spelling of Czar is a bit rich in that the Russians only got the title from the Latin. You know, like the Germans got the title of Kaiser.

    There is no Czar now but if the title were to be resurrected, I suggest Imperator. Of course Russians would have to spell it in their own language and be tiresome about it here.

    • 回复: @tbraton
  104. @Rick Johnson

    Perfectly true, but at the same time Lenin’s underground war to destabilize all legitimate authority in the world commenced. What a colossal blunder on the part of the Kaisers government.

  105. Marcus 说:
    @Rick Johnson

    It was Germany that sent Lenin to Russia, with the understanding that he would overthrow the pro-Allied Kerensky government and make a separate piece with the Central Powers, he did just that. Also the Bolsheviks published the secret Sykes-Picot agreement, to the embarrassment of the Allies.

  106. @Philip Owen

    Point is Russia allied with England and it turned out disastrous thus disproving your earlier comment.

  107. Marcus 说:
    @Thomas O. Meehan

    The AK was foreign-influenced, but more by the M1 Garand. Also the USSR benefited tremendously from technology transfers from sympathetic Westerners (see Ford and Fiat), spies and the work of enslaved German scientists.

  108. Philip Owen [又名“ soarintothesky”] 说:
    @Priss Factor

    “In the end, only neo-fascism will work.”

    The key problems with a benevolent dictator are:
    1) Finding one.
    2) Maintaining the benevolent dictator’s grip on reality as flatterers close in.
    3) Replacing the dictator.
    Democracy is messy but it does self correct in a shorter time span than autocracy. Monarchy is not so bad when autocracy can be restrained.

    I don’t have your pessimism about National Character. I think institutions matter. The right legal and institutional form can make a big difference. I know Putin thinks along these lines. I grant you that religion, the ideas locked into language are, in practical terms, hard to change at other than generational speeds. That said, Argentina had everything but once they kicked the British out, they just faded away. One case is not enough for proof but it does keep the argument going. I suppose Zimbabwe might be a second case but like South Africa the lack of full democracy at the starting line diminishes the argument. SA has not declined. Yet?

    Is “Small is beautiful” neo fascist? I don’t know. I’ll have to go back to Mussolini. A preference for artisan production over factory production would be the issue to look for. Nazism had roots in Ariosophy (New Age meets the Aryan Nation to US readers). There was definitely a pro artisan twist to the fringes of Theosophy. But Ariosophy was definitely NOT Fascism.

  109. War for Blair Mountain [又名“布莱尔山之战” 说:
    @schmenz

    You mean wonderful things such as his African Muslim Army used to suppress an indigenous rebellion against the greedy land owning class. You know what Franco said to his African Muslim Army:”We are all Spanish!!”..this is on the same level as US Navy officer Lt Commander Edward C Lin “your an American!!!”

    • 回复: @schmenz
  110. War for Blair Mountain [又名“布莱尔山之战” 说:
    @schmenz

    It’s not about rehabilitating Stalin..it’s about putting things in their proper perspective.

    The war the Nazis launched resulted in the death of millions of Europeans. And the Nazi sympathizers claim that Hitler’s pre-emptive strike on Russia was justified. I challenge this…as do the two bona-fide Russians in this thread:Saker and Smoothie.

    The Nazis were a very flawed experiment in European History. And all one has to do is pay attention to what happened in the Ukraine, and look at who the psychopathic Western Ukranian Nazis are in coalition with to see what a mortal threat the Nazis were, and still are, to Working Class European People.

    • 同意: Seamus Padraig
    • 回复: @Wally
  111. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Do catch up.

    This is not a forum where one can start and / or post to threads that are specific to the ‘holocau\$t’ scam.

    We’re waiting for you here, don’t be afraid.

    http://www.forum.codoh.com

  112. Rurik 说:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    :D

    wow Groovy, that was some tirade

    Did the Russian Peasants consent to murdered by the Nazis?

    you didn’t read what I wrote. It was 斯大林 (and his Jewish henchmen in the NKVD) who starved to death peasants by the millions. The same man charged with making sure these people were unharmed, was the very man who saw to it that they starved to death. While he hoarded their stolen food and livestock. Isn’t that nice?

    retard Western Ukranian psychopathic Nazis offer young Western Ukranian Men

    ahhh, we have a uber-Russophile here! Alrightey then

    There were are alternatives to worshipping the farting Furher.

    well if that’s so Groovy, then why did so many millions of Russians and Poles and Norwegians and Croats and Ukrainians and Baltics don the uniform of the Wehrmacht to slaughter the sub-human rapists of the Red Army? I can tell you something, there was no love for Hitler or the Nazis in these people. They fought on the side of the Nazis specifically because there was no alternative. It was either fight on the side of the (hated) Nazis or succumb to commie slavery, misery and yes, genocide.

    here’s a list of Nations from whom WWII volunteers fought for Nazi Germany:

    阿尔巴尼亚
    保加利亚
    克罗地亚
    丹麦
    爱沙尼亚
    芬兰
    法国
    格鲁吉亚
    匈牙利
    印度
    爱尔兰
    意大利
    拉脱维亚
    列支敦士登
    立陶宛
    卢森堡
    Nederland
    Belgium (Flemish and Walloons)
    挪威
    葡萄牙
    罗马尼亚
    斯洛伐克
    斯洛文尼亚
    前苏联
    西班牙
    瑞典
    瑞士
    乌克兰
    英国
    美国

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_non-Germans_in_the_German_armed_forces_during_World_War_II

    for some reason (probably political) Russia is not included on that list, but very many Russians and Cossacks and even Jews fought for the fatherland. (actually they likely hated the Nazis, but understood all too well that the Soviets were ten times worse)
    Many of these men, millions of them I think, were “keelhauled” by Churchill and FDR at Yalta after the war was over. (please read about that Groovy. But you might not find it too groovy)

    As far as European People go, the Nazis were a lethal experiment. And we can see this today in the Western Ukraine.

    and also in Donald Trump’s popularity? Eh Groovy?

    Moreover, I reject the assumption that Hitler and the Nazis were horrified in the least bit by Stalin’s mass murder

    well Groovy, they may have been quite hardened by the time they came upon the Katyn forest, so they might not have been “horrified”, at least not all of them. But what I can tell you is that they certainly were edified to the fact that this is what the commies had in store for them. – And all people of ability with brains and a free will. These are things that are anathema to filthy commies Groovy. Brains and ability. So you see Groovy, for commie scum, human ability is his earthly enemy. Because human ability implies self-sufficiency and independence. And for a commie rat bastard, those things mean that a person of ability has no use of a commie, who will promise to feed them and put a roof over their head. A man or woman with ability has no use for such nannies and all-powerful state, and tells them to take a hike. So 这是 why commies hate people with ability, and always do all they can to genocide them. See? I sure hope you’re paying attention here.

    But tell me..in 2016 what retard farting Fuhrer would you like to follow and sacrifice your life for?

    hmm, I’m assuming you’re about 17 yrs old, right Groovy? Give or take. I allow a great deal of leeway for the infirm and naïve. And I already told you were my loyalties rest. Languidly at the moment.

    Calling Hitler pro-worker is blasphemy against the all peasant-worker revolts in European and American History.

    this one is just so appallingly and egregiously erroneous that I have to point out that you could not be more wrong son. Do you know where that six million number came from? Well that is the number of Germans that Hitler was known to have put back to work once he came to power. The German people were more brutalized by the treachery at the end of the first world war and the carpet bagger like crooks that came flooding in and imposed a hell on earth in Germany that it would make the Appalachian coal minors of the 19th century shudder for it’s abasement of the working class German. You obviously know nothing of this history, so you’d best pay attention. Hitler put Germany back to work, he took care of the poor and made life bearable for the Germans worst off in society. He was loved and revered for what he did, and was destroyed by Yankee capitalists who hated him for not using a debt based economy that enslaved the middle and working classes to debt and enriched the New York banksters.

    So they declared war on him even tho Stalin did the exact same thing Germany did, which was to invade Poland. But unlike Stalin, Hitler has a just cause in doing so, because of the arrogant Polish elite’s obstinate stance on the corridor. Have you ever heard of the Polish Corridor son? Well that was the reason that WWII was started. You can read about and then come back here. I’ll be waiting… : )

  113. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Nazi sympathizers claim that Hitler’s pre-emptive strike on Russia was justified. I challenge this…as do the two bona-fide Russians in this thread:Saker and Smoothie.

    Oh my, the “Nazi sympathizers” epithet. How desperate that is.

    Problem is that Stalin’s generals admit that they were planning to attack Germany. No to mention Stalin’s speech on the matter and the forward offensive positions of Soviet invasion forces to name just a few obvious examples. Forget sucking up to Saker & Smoothie, they haven’t done their homework, that’s their problem.
    看到:
    Barbarossa行动是预防性袭击
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999

    There are other threads there which debunk your ‘evil Nazis’ canard.

    所以:
    The following are reviews of work about Stalin’s planned attack:

    http://codoh.com/library/document/1906/
    http://codoh.com/library/document/2724/
    http://codoh.com/library/document/2833/
    http://codoh.com/library/document/2947/
    http://codoh.com/library/document/3000/

  114. @5371

    There may have been an excuse for believing that Rasputin dictated public policy while he was alive. There’s none for continuing to believe it now in the teeth of historical research.

    Historical research, none of which you cite.

    Well here’s a reference that refutes your claim:

    Shortly before the outbreak of World War I, Rasputin spoke out against Russia going to war with Germany. He begged the Tsar to do everything in his power to avoid war. From the hospital Rasputin sent quite a few telegrams to the court, expressing his fears for the future of the country. “If Russia goes to war, it will be the end of the monarchy, of the Romanovs and of Russian institutions.”

    来源:

    Victor Alexandrov (1966) The End of the Romanovs, trans. William Sutcliffe. Little, Brown, and Company, Boston, p. 155.

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  115. War for Blair Mountain [又名“布莱尔山之战” 说:

    Don’t so be so rigid in your thinking. It’s the Reagan World-View that is the object of my invective. Reagan represented the interests of the California-Texas Oligarch Land Owning Class who harbored open-violent hatred of The Native Born White American Working Class who they manage to convince to offer up for sacrifice their teenager sons by packing then off to Korea and Vietnam. And Chickenhawk Foreigner Peter Brimelow still thinks that this was a great idea and regrets that Vietnam Peasant Society wasn’t nuked by the very very creepy Richard Nixon…This is Ronnie Reagan Cold War Worshipping…And I think it is on the level of worshipping Satan by performing a Black Mass!!!

    Franco worship by the Nazi Fascists…such as Laguna Beach Old Fogey…was Spain’s version of Ronnie Reagan Cold War Satanism.

    I’ll state it again:there is a direct road from the post-WW2 1950s Cold War to what happened today in NC. The Cold War corrupted the Social and Cultural Values of Native Born White Christian American…It took a while to do it..But what happen today in NC today was a warning to Conservative Orthodox Christian Russia…The Mega-CEO White Male pedophiles who own both the Republican and Democratic Parties are coming after your children….use nukes if you have to!!!!

    • 回复: @War for Blair Mountain
  116. War for Blair Mountain [又名“布莱尔山之战” 说:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    My comment above is directed to Rick Johnson in his response to me.

  117. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @syonredux

    Good try, except there is no proof for your impossible ‘6M Jews, 5M others and laughable ‘gas chambers’.

    I see you’re afraid of honest debate. Such are the hasbarists.

    Think you know what you’re talking about? Then go here and face the music.

    http://www.forum.codoh.com

    'holocau\$t',比便宜的西装分解得更快。

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
    , @syonredux
  118. @War for Blair Mountain

    “Franco went to war against the Catholic Spanish Working Class.”

    Yes, that same ‘class’ that butchered Priests and Nuns, torched Churches, shot at and set fire to Crosses.

    • 回复: @War for Blair Mountain
  119. @Rurik

    aren’t you the guy who says the Holodomor was self-inflicted?

    clue: it wasn’t

    权利。

    the claim that the Holodomor was a deliberate genocide, not the unfortunate result of famine is supported by the direct reporting from the Ukraine by the late British writer and journalist, Malcolm Muggeridge, who, in 1932, emigrated to Russia with the intention of becoming a Soviet citizen. He traveled to the Ukraine during the great famine and said of it:

    The novelty of this particular famine, what made it so diabolical, is that it was not the result of some catastrophe like a drought or an epidemic. It was the deliberate creation of a bureaucratic mind which demanded the collectivization of agriculture, immediately, as a purely theoretical proposition, without any consideration whatever of the consequences in human suffering. 来源

  120. schmenz 说:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Groovy,

    I cannot force you to read the other side of the story, I can only offer you the opportunity to do so, as I have. What you do at that point is up to you.

    • 回复: @War for Blair Mountain
  121. OutWest 说:

    It’s difficult to disentangle Hitler and Stalin. Stalin, clever fellow that he was, wanted war between Germany and the other capitalistic countries to the west. He provided Hitler with equipment and bases in Russia to train pilots and tank forces as well as alloying metals and other requirements for a strong military force. The thought being that after the capitalistic forces exhausted themselves it would be a relatively simple matter for the Soviets to take over. Europe was bursting with medieval ambitions. But Hitler was true to his stated Mien Kampf objectives.

    I suppose that if the standards are set to the Thirty Years war level, Stalin and Hitler are just a couple of the boys doing their thing.

  122. War for Blair Mountain [又名“布莱尔山之战” 说:
    @Niccolo Salo

    Your full of shit and your a liar. Franco and his Muslim Army from North Africa did most of the atrocities. There was nothing at all “White” about Franco’s Army.The raping and murdering of Catholic Nuns in Central America were organized and paid for by Franco’s moral and spiritual brothers in the US:JFK administration….Carter Administration….and the Ronnie Reagan+Bush Senor Administration.

    The “spiritual
    and co-ethnic cousins of Franco were allowed to take over Miami and turn it into Cuban Sp..c mafiosa Spanish speaking toilet bowl.

    I make very few distinctions between John Gotti and Generalissimo Franco. One was Italian, and the other, Spanish.

    • 回复: @Niccolo Salo
  123. @Wally

    You are aware, I hope, that citing the same source repeatedly isn’t “research.”

    Problem is that Stalin’s generals admit that they were planning to attack Germany.

    So name one.

  124. War for Blair Mountain [又名“布莱尔山之战” 说:
    @Wally

    Bobby be

    I have already had this discussion with you a few months ago . Going by the research by serious Military Historians….your “scholar” is not very credible..And besides, you are a nutty 9/11 Truther too boot…Seriously, fuck off. You can tell yourself all the fairy tales you want about the Dear Farting Leader Retard Austrian who ruined Europe possibly for centuries… I classify your Russian Military Historian with the drunken and treasonous reprobate Boris Yeltsin.

    I do know that the Jap Bastards had their eyes on Australia and New Zealand…And we both know what would have happened to White Australian Women and White New Zealand Women. If I had been running the Show in the Soviet Union during World War Two…I would have given a direct order to nuke every fucking major German City pre-emptively.

    • 回复: @Wally
  125. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Because the topics of various threads here invite such input, that’s why.
    试着跟上。

    Your panic & desperation are palpable.

    I’m not going away, so get used to it.

    Why are you afraid to debate here? That is the real question.
    http://www.forum.codoh.com

    Where you can try your hand at arguing your Zionist propaganda without name calling.

  126. @Wally

    Do you think you’re smarter than everyone else? Ever heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect?

    • 回复: @Wally
  127. War for Blair Mountain [又名“布莱尔山之战” 说:
    @schmenz

    施梅尔茨

    We don’t have to chose between Stalin and Hitler…and the Stalinst in the Republican Movement(The Republican Movement had bona fide honest to God Anarcho-Syndicalists who fought it out with the Stalinist and this why Franco Franco’s Muslim Army ultimately won)… 80 years after the Spanish Civil War and the start of WW2. I personally want neither. There are much better options. But the Fascists in the Alt Right Movement…a movement that I am a member of…want to channel thought down a binary path:Stalin=the Jews…or worship The Dear Farting Retard Austrian. And I also reject the Ronnie Reagan worshipping by the English Foreigner Peter Brimelow.

    有趣的是

    The late great Flamenco Guitarist Paco De Lucia was married to the daughter of one of Franco’s Generals who ran the North Africa Colony Operation. Wasn’t Paco a Basque?

  128. @War for Blair Mountain

    >being this ignorant:

    “Your full of shit and your a liar. Franco and his Muslim Army from North Africa did most of the atrocities. There was nothing at all “White” about Franco’s Army.The raping and murdering of Catholic Nuns in Central America were organized and paid for by Franco’s moral and spiritual brothers in the US:JFK administration….Carter Administration….and the Ronnie Reagan+Bush Senor Administration. ”

    Since you are a simpleton, I will give you a simple link:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror_%28Spain%29

    Here’s just one bit:

    “The murder of 37 priests, brothers and seminarians by leftists in Asturias marks what some see as the beginning of the Red Terror.[14] In October 1934, the Asturian Revolution was strongly anticlerical and involved violence against priests and religious and the destruction of 58 churches, actions that had been rare until that time”

    That’s two full years before the Spanish Civil War.

    Read more to learn how those who fought Franco treated the Priests and Nuns and the churches and the monasteries, and the cloisters during the war.

  129. @CanSpeccy

    There were several other prominent and credible others such as Gareth Jones and Eugene Lyons who reported on the Holodomor as it happened as well. Lyons, in fact went to the USSR all aglow about Soviet Communism, but returned with quite different views.

    There is no question in my mind that the Holodomor was deliberate and it’s telling that it happened about the time Hitler was just coming into power and ended in 1933, the year FDR recognized the Soviet Union. A lot of people make the excuse that he didn’t know, but he had to have. The whole world knew.

  130. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    I am, but this site is not specific to the various ‘holocau\$t’ issues.

    This forum does not allow me to create threads specific to the ‘holocau\$t’ scam.

    Why are YOU afraid to debate at a ‘holocau\$t’ specific forum?
    http://www.forum.codoh.com

    There you will see specific ‘holocau\$t’ issues debated and thoroughly debunked.

    You haven’t the courage to expose your lies, hence you obfuscate and whine.

  131. syonredux 说:
    @Wally

    Good try, except there is no proof for your impossible ’6M Jews, 5M others and laughable ‘gas chambers’.

    Dear fellow, here’s what I wrote:

    Yes, dear fellow, really. Furr is the Stalinist mirror-image of people who go around arguing that Hitler didn’t kill 5 million plus Jews, 3 million plus Soviet POWs, 700,000 European civilians in “reprisal” operations (around 300,000 of them in Belarus alone)等等等等

    That’s 5 million plus Jews (not 6 million). And 3 million plus Soviet POWs and 700,000 European civilians.

    I realize that you seem to go on autopilot when it comes to Nazi mass killing, but please try to pay attention to what is actually being stated.

    • 回复: @Wally
  132. tbraton 说:
    @Thomas O. Meehan

    As someone who has on rare occasion engaged in a little Grammar Nazism myself, I must admit that I was somewhat taken aback by the raising of this issue of “czar” vs. “tsar.” I have used both on occasion, depending on my mood. Just as the old jingle used to have it: “sometimes you feel like a nut, and sometimes you don’t.” And they are apparently both acceptable in English usage, so I am puzzled by all the brouhaha.

    BTW, fwiw, my 1976 edition of American Heritage Dictionary has under the entry “czar”: “n. Also 沙皇, 沙皇. 1. A king or emperor; especially one of the former emperors of Russia. . . .” The Usage note following the definition states “独裁者 is the most common form in American usage and virtually the only one employed in the extended sense (任何暴君 or, informally, one in authority) 但, 沙皇 is preferred by most scholars of Slavic studies as a more accurate transliteration of the Russian, and is often found in scholarly writing with reference to one of the Russian emperors.” Knowing that, I will continue to switch between “czar” and “tsar” in everyday usage, unless I am writing a scholarly article for publication, in which case I hope to remember to use “tsar.”

    • 回复: @Thomas O. Meehan
  133. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Philip Owen

    “The key problems with a benevolent dictator are:
    1) Finding one.
    2) Maintaining the benevolent dictator’s grip on reality as flatterers close in.
    3) Replacing the dictator.”

    Neo-fascism would be a democracy or at least there would be a meritocratic ladder to power. There would be no dictator or all-powerful strongman.

    That is why it is ‘neo-fascist’. Classic Fascism with the Big Man is too risky.

    Fascist Democracy is possible. Neo-fascism is more thematic than institutional.
    It’s like Israel is a fascist democracy. They have elections and individual liberties. But the themes of Israel are nation, history, identity, heritage, unity, borders, and power.
    A liberal democracy serves different themes, and these eventually lead to decadence and degeneracy. We need Margot Sheehan democracy, not Lena Dunham democracy.

    But a fascist democracy, while guaranteeing basic rights and freedoms, is committed to themes of race, nation, history, and etc. In a sense, US democracy was fascist until Libs and Jews took over and remade it into liberal democracy.

    US democracy was about race, heritage, and such stuff. The Chinese Exclusion Act was to keep America white. And there were anti-miscegenation laws to prevent Negros taking white wombs.
    Israel has policies that favor Jewish natal.

    Jews are natal, white gentiles have become fatal.

    Indeed, most democracies were fascist-like democracies, and that’s why they were great. Even as they were into individual rights, they were also themes of race, territory, heritage, and unity. Take British democracy. For a long long time, it didn’t allow non-white immigration. It was about white folks singing God Save the Queen, not god serve the queer, which is what liberal democracy is about. Chariots of Fire is a hell of a movie cuz it’s about proud white folks running for God and Country. Even the Jewish guy is running for JEWISH pride.

    All things need balance. Democracy is, by nature, liberalizing. Fascism is, by nature, orderizing. So, democracy and fascism need to be molded into one.
    It’s like a society needs both Athens-ism and Sparta-ism. The samurai sword is a marvel because it combines hard metal with soft metal. Hard metal is sharp but breaks easy. Soft metal is resilient but bends easily. But combine the two and you got a sword that cuts but doesn’t break. The essence of fascism wasn’t to go totally left or right. Not to go totally capitalist or communist. It was about alchemic blending of metals for the right alloy.

    That’s why neo-fascism must be a humanism. National Humanism.

    Classic Fascism failed cuz of its anti-humanism and its mythic cult of leader as godlike and warriors as heroes. But when Germany lost the war, they realized that such hubris is crazy.
    But the total de-fascistization of Germany has been just as bad. Germans have become defenseless, clueless, directionless, childless, and prideless. They helplessly watch their nation taken over by invaders.

    Germany was ruined by hubris-fascism. It was ruined by East German communism. It is now being ruined by Liberal Democracy. Only Fascist Democracy based on National Humanism can save it.

    So, a nation needs a balance of hardness and softness. It needs a fascist-democracy. It allows freedoms and liberties and rights, BUT its constitution and taboos uphold certain things that cannot be compromised: race, heritage, identity, unity, and etc.
    It must have a powerful sense of us and them. Neo-fascism would be anti-imperialist. Even as it protects its own territory, identity, and history, it would respect those of other peoples. This is where classic fascism failed big. It went from nationalism to imperialism.

    Also, neo-fascism understands the importance of culture. Capitalists and socialists seem to think it’s all about economics and often overlook cultural issues. This is too bad since Adam Smith himself understood the importance of culture and morality. And FDR, a social-democrat, understood the importance of social morals. He offered welfare only to widows. He didn’t offer welfare to single mothers who got pregnant out of wedlock cuz he knew it would encourage bad behavior.

    Americans love to believe that their success owes to free enterprise, individualism, and etc. Those things are important, but it owed a lot to Anglo character in which organization, order, discipline, unity, and etc were very important. Anglo-ness was about combination of order and freedom. But the ORDER part has been neglected in the narrative. This ORDER and DISCIPLINE were formed and inculcated when Britain was not democratic. Indeed, all functional democracies are the product of national character developed under repression. American success story is about virtues created under repression unleashed on a land of great opportunity.

    Indeed, even the golden age of Negro-hood in America, culminating in the Civil Rights Movement, was due to combination of repression and freedom. Under repression, Negroes suffered certain indignities, but they were disciplined into hardworking folks like in Booker T. Washington’s UP FROM SLAVERY. Repression is unpleasant but it does instill virtues of hard work and discipline and organization. Neo-fascists understand this. They are for freedom, but they understand that freedom is only as good as the character behind it. And paradoxically, certain positive characters were formed not under freedom but under repression. It’s like we force kids to go to school. We take away their freedom and make them learn stuff so that they will graduate to a higher freedom. Without repression, there is no higher freedom. If we allow young kids to be free, they will be mired in lower freedoms of wantonness, and this kind of mind-set is now taking over all of culture under Liberal Democracy.

    Why has so many American overseas ventures failed? Why is it so difficult to plant democracies in other nations? Why can’t they be like America? Americans overlook the fact that the TRUE source of American greatness is not democracy but Anglo-Germanic character. After all, Germany made tremendous achievement in the 19th century under the Kaiser. And South Korea and Taiwan under military dictatorship saw impressive growth. And look at rise of China. Yes, we prefer democracy, but the true source of national power is national character, unity, organization, and work ethic. But instead of emphasizing those things in America’s overseas ventures, US tries to spread democracy, shopping malls, and etc when US should be looking for ways to develop and shape the national character of the native populations.

    “I don’t have your pessimism about National Character. I think institutions matter. The right legal and institutional form can make a big difference.”

    Yes, and institutions also shape national character.
    But national character is more than institutions. After all, following WWII, much of German society broke down and people were reduced bartering and prostituting to attain food. Yet, despite the total breakdown of order, organization, and institutions, most Germans remained sober and serious cuz of their national character.

    In a way, institutions are a reflection of national character.

    In contrast, look at Negroes in the US. They have access to good institutions. Many schools in negro areas now have good teachers and high funding. But Negro kids just act like morons.

    Also, the cultural character of a people isn’t just a political thing but a family and community thing. In Southern Italy and Greece, the family culture itself is corrupt.
    When I was young, I was slated for a special class in math. But some Greek-American mother met with the teacher and got her son included in the class at my expense. I think most German mothers wouldn’t even think to do such things. But Greeks and Southern Italian families do things like this. It’s there in THE SICILIAN by Mario Puzo where a third-rate dago son gets into medical school cuz he’s got connections.
    And look at all the cheating by Chinese and Koreans in SAT’s. They have a serious culture of cheating and corruption at the family level.
    And Russian culture isn’t big on honesty and integrity.

    To be sure, excellent institutions can lead to a kind of naive suicidalism we see in Sweden. Me thinks that Swedes would be more tribal if they had sucky Greek-like institutions. Swedes would be less trusting of authority and more survivalist since everyone must struggle and fight for his or her slice of pie. But because Sweden has been so clean and efficient, people just came used to the good life and became trusting of institutions and its dogmas.

    Now, things can change. Nothing is fixed… except the lunacy of Negroes.
    But the issue of cultural character is bigger than institutions.
    It must change at the community level and at the home level. And that isn’t easy to do.

    One positive about northern protestantism is it worked on individual conscience. And its austere spartanism made people focus more on conscience and right/wrong than on vanity and style.

    This was what was lacking in Byzantine-ist Orthodox Churches of Greece, Eastern Europe, and Russia. Sure, Orthodox churches have their grandeur and greatness, but the individual conscience is buried under tradition, ritualism, and dogma.
    This is why the Russian Church should develop an activist wing that is more socially engaged, like the Mormons. Keep the main church doing its traditional grandiose stuff with incense and beards and throaty choral singing. That stuff needs to be preserved too, I agree. But for Russian church to really make a difference, it needs a wing of young clergy folks who are dressed nifty, socially engaged, energetic, and working with real-life issues at the street and local level.

    Russian church should learn from the Mormons who are so active in their missions all around. Russian church is too much like a bear hibernating in its lair. Okay, the main church should be bear-like, but it needs a lot of rabbits to hop around and help people with real life problems. A mix of spirituality, nationalism, and social work.

    • 回复: @5371
  134. @Wally

    The reputation of that forum precedes it. Why not the Phora or Debate.org? I’m happy to debate you someplace that I know is fair. CODOH, it seems, is not.

  135. @Wally

    You are not debating here. You are inserting the Holocaust into any thread where it remotely fits and then challenging people to go to CODOH, whose reputation precedes it. Wanna debate? Then debate. Otherwise, get lost. Adults are trying to have a discussion.

    • 回复: @Wally
    , @Priss Factor
  136. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @War for Blair Mountain

    Not a very intelligent response, sir.

    But hey, you are a True Believer and like all religious fanatics you will never be convinced by the facts.

    I have you cold and underneath it all you know it.

    You are afraid to actually debate in a no name calling forum where you can argue your version of history without childish distractions.
    http://www.forum.codoh.com

    Your “military historians” are mere court historians doing the bidding of those that pay them.

    Note that I am not alone at Unz Review, others have realized how absurd ‘holocau\$t’ / WWII history truly is.

    “大屠杀”故事情节是有史以来最容易被揭穿的叙事之一。 这就是为什么那些质疑它的人遭到逮捕和迫害的原因。 这就是为什么暴力,种族主义和特权至上的犹太至上主义者要求进行审查。

    拒绝言论自由和寻求真理的自由是什么真理? 真理不需要受到审查。

  137. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @syonredux

    What Nazi mass killings?

    There is not a single verifiable excavated mass grave that can actually be SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka) even though Jews claim to know exactly where these allegedly enormous mass graves are.

    Show us the enormous mass graves that are alleged and supposedly known, big talker.

    You cannot. They do not exist.

    http://www.forum.codoh.com

    • 回复: @syonredux
  138. @tbraton

    Yes, this issue is tiresome; mainly I think, because it’s not really an issue at all.

    • 同意: tbraton
  139. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Clearly smarter than you.

    I put no stock in religion like you do, which is exactly what the impossible ‘6M Jews & 5M others’ is.

    Nonetheless, you are afraid of rational debate:
    http://www.forum.codoh.com

    “大屠杀”行业的波将金村,又名“大屠杀博物馆”,是纯粹的主题公园剧院。

    敢于理性地、逻辑地、科学地审视荒诞可笑的“大屠杀”故事情节,它就像纸牌屋一样土崩瓦解。

    谁获利?

    互联网正在摧毁由傲慢的犹太至上主义者鼓吹的虚假“大屠杀”叙事。 从屠杀巴勒斯坦人到奥斯维辛的谎言,世界正在认识到犹太人至上主义的危险。

  140. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Yes, where it fits. That’s the point of free speech which you want to stop.

    I am debating, but you are afraid to.
    http://www.codoh.forum.com

    See the laughable & impossible ‘gas chambers’ demolished here:
    奥斯威辛集中营的氰化物化学
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4111

    See what the son of famed Jewish violinist says about the impossible & laughable ‘holocau\$t’ scam here:
    “杰拉德·梅纽因(Gerard Menuhin)的名言:修正主义者犹太人,著名小提琴家之子”
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10013

    伤害不是。

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  141. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站

    The problem with Stalin was the harshness of dealing with enemies.

    He didn’t have to kill so many. He could have demoted them and kept them from power.

    轻松搞定。

    Mussolini dealt with his critics by sending them on exile. He killed very few dissidents.

    And Hitler, prior to his crazy wars, had a more humane way of dealing with the opposition. He didn’t kill many either, at least when compared to Stalin.

    The Civil Wars were understandably bloody for both sides. Whites and Reds both committed horrendous atrocities. Reds were fighting for survival, Whites for fighting for their life.

    But Stalin was way to cruel later with his victims. His methods were too harsh.
    He simply didn’t have to kill so many.

    So, why the bloodbath?

    Maybe it was the way he rose in power. The Tsarist police had been too lenient. Lenin, Trotsky, and Stalin had all been imprisoned but were given lots of rights and liberty. Stalin spent his exile in a cabin fishing, reading, and etc. He was even given a gun to hunt with.

    So, maybe Stalin though that if he went easy on his victims, they would one day rise up like the Bolshies.

    But that can’t be the entire reason. By the late mid 30s, Stalin had consolidated his power. He had the control. He could have kicked people out of government and reduced them to powerlessness without killing them or doing bad things to them.

    Indeed, the post-soviet USSR routinely demoted and removed people from power WITHOUT killing them without harm to the regime.

    So, even if some of Stalin’s purges were justifiable, the means used were way too harsh.

  142. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    This BobbyBeGas has to some ADL agent.

    His assertions are so ludicrous, and he seems hellbent on associating the Right with holocaust denial. Just ignore him.

    • 回复: @Wally
  143. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Regnum Nostrum

    “Yes, to kill some of his best generals a few years before the start of WW2 was very smart.”

    With benefit of hindsight, it looks stupid. But Stalin didn’t foresee a German-Russian War when the purges happened. If Stalin knew for sure that war was coming and killed his most talented generals, it would indeed have been stupid.

    But Stalin didn’t think war would come so soon.

  144. Anonymous • 免责声明 说: • 您的网站

    It is inappropriate to credit Stalin merely with ideological or strategic vision. He was a ‘reactive’ not due to philosophical conception or political ‘necessity’, but mental illness. In other words, psychopathology. Please review Lobaczewski’s Political Ponerology – a study of evil in politics. Stalin was NOT attempting to ‘do good’ at all no matter how it is ideologically rationalized. He was the ‘Hitler’ everyone accuses Hitler of being; megalomaniacal ONLY. This was due to functional mental incapacity due to damage to the frontal cortex AND a genetic factor that inhibits normal empathy. His purges were simply to eliminate rivals.
    Hitler attacked Stalin because of Stalin’s insidious demands via Molotov after Hitler’s victory in the west in 1940 for a base on Danish territory in the Baltic, control of the Hellespont, and Bessarabia next to Hitler’s needed Romanian oil. He then loaded his troops on the border with the strategic desire for a mass attack against Germany to conquer all of Europe.
    Read Suvorov. Look up Hitler’s conversation with Mannerheim on youtube. Stalin thought that Germany would be bogged down on the Western front. He didn’t understand Blitzgrieg. He had, despite all these silly ideological opinions, sacrificed the Kulaks and caused the Holodor to quickly industrialize Russia to build a huge mechanized military EXACTLY for the purpose of conquering Europe – irrespective of his ACCIDENTAL nemesis, Hitler.
    Stalin, despite being warned by his own spy in Japan and British intel, held to this vision as Hitler developed his reaction to Stalin. Then, at the attack, Stalin fell apart. Russia survived because of it’s geographical magnitude, the weather, and Hitler’s strategic mistakes. NOT STALIN’s ‘MILITARY’ COMPREHENSION. Stalin offered to surrender in ’41. Stalin was just as Saddam Hussein was described: a military incompetent. His only real ability was his innate understanding of human weakness and how to manipulate it.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  145. America and the West want and need a Stalinist Russia, if for nothing else to justify their cock-eyed view of the country.

  146. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Priss Factor

    You are simply ‘projecting’.

    So “ludicrous” that you cannot refute them.

    And you haven’t the goods to even try.
    http://www.forum.codoh.com

    “所有的真理经过三个阶段。 首先,它是可笑的。 第二,它被强烈反对。 第三,它被认为是不言而喻的。”。
    — 阿瑟·叔本华

    The impossible ‘holocaust’ narrative allows racist Israeli parasites to get away with slaughtering Palestinians and stealing billions from the US taxpayers every year, and then demand that US soldiers die for their greedy self interests.

    我们可以没有他们生活,他们不能没有我们生活。

  147. syonredux 说:
    @Wally

    What Nazi mass killings?

    Well, as mentioned above, the 3 million plus Soviet POWs who died at the hands of the Nazis. Of that number, approx 2 million died in the Winter of ’41-’42.

    Then there’s the massacre of Poles during the ’44 Warsaw Uprising:

    “1944 年 40,000 月华沙起义第一周在沃拉和奥乔塔郊区发生的杀戮同样难以理解,特别是因为它们的范围比奥拉杜尔要大近一百倍。 有问题的郊区,在城市的西侧,没有军事重要性。 他们到处都是工厂、公共建筑、医院和廉价住房。 但他们恰好在党卫军风暴大队的路径上,因为它第一次从德国控制的郊区向叛乱分子控制的中心开去。 党卫军的两个旅,Dirlewanger 和 Kaminski 的旅,被开火几乎不会感到惊讶。 但他们的反应令人惊讶。 他们没有与骚扰他们的本土陆军部队交战,而是将愤怒转向平民非战斗人员。 在持续五六天的狂欢中,各种暴行都发生了。 一大群男女被赶进教堂墓地并被机关枪扫射。 住户被拖到街上,用军刀和刺刀屠杀。 孕妇被画并分成四等份。 医院被入侵,病人被压倒在床上。 恳求救援的医生和护士被肢解。 孩子们被砍成碎片。 流血的街道和房屋随后被点燃。 受害者人数在 50,000 到 XNUMX 之间。”

    诺曼·戴维斯没有简单的胜利:第二次世界大战在欧洲,1939-1945,第316:

    • 回复: @Wally
  148. Anon • 免责声明 说:

    What you may not know is that Stalin like 80-90% of the early Bolsheviks was a Jew. Like pretty much all of those Jewish Bolsheviks, he changed his name. His birth last name was Dzhugashvili which can be parsed to Dzhuga-shivili which translates to Judah – son of. Judah was the original Jew of the Bible.

    Don’t bother with wikipedia on this subject. It was founded by a Jew and remains controlled by Jews, who are excellent at whitewashing their past crimes.

    Per a London newspaper reporter assigned to Russia, after the Communists took over roughly 3/4 of all Russian Jews became government workers, especially positions where they could kill and torture Christians such as Labor Camp guards, KGB, and police.

    Don’t believe me? I had doubts myself. Then I checked how many of the people running communist Block nations right after WW2 were Jewish. People specifically OK’s by Stalin. I stopped checking after finding the first 3 I checked were all Jewish. Pretty impressive considering how few Jews supposedly were in Europe after WW2.

  149. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Marcus

    Winston Churchill states

    Terrorist Jews

    There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek — all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses.

  150. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Anonymous

    If Stalin wanted all of Europe, he could have had it during WWII. He didn’t have to stop in Germany. He could have taken more of Europe. But he didn’t.

    Stalin was a man created by fear and terror. He was made by the revolution and he was surrounded by other men created in a climate of fear and terror.
    He was paranoid but surrounded by paranoid men.

    And given all the dirty strategies of globalist Jewish, Russian gangsters, and oligarchs after the fall of communism, it becomes obvious the world is full of sharks.

    Stalin was a bad guy but he was right to fear the rivals.

    Wasps in America were complacent, and look what happened to them. Jews Trotskied them out of power.
    If Jews in America had such ambitions, they had same ambitions under Stalin. They were seeking total control.
    And we saw what Jews did in Russia in the 90s.

    If Jews could take power from a people as talented and formidable as Anglo wasps, then it’s no wonder Jews ran circles around Russians.

    Yet, in a way, Jews have more trouble with Russians because Russians are so hopeless.
    Anglos are a capable and well-organized people who are into rule of law and high-minded principles. So, Jews could push play on their guilt and take power from them.
    In contrast, Russians are drunken barbarian boors. As such, they achieve less than Anglos but are less easily manipulated in terms of guilt and high-minded principles.

    Jews play on conscience and appeal to fair play even as they never play fair themselves. Anglos were sensitive to Jewish criticism since Anglos like to think of themselves as fair-minded and decent sensitive folks.
    But such appeals never appealed much to drunken Russians whose idea of fun is wrestling with bears and jumping into frozen lakes and driving crazy on the highway.

    Of course, Russians have the advantage of Russia being majority Russian. And Russians have no guilt about anything since they beat the Nazis.

    But Anglos became the minority in the US as immigrant populations swelled. Even before the rise of non-white immigrants, non-Anglo whites began to overshadow Anglo Americans, and Jews could play on ethnic hostility against Anglos.

    Still, Jewish success in Russia(in good way and bad way)cannot be understood without taking into account Russian failures. It’s like Chinese success in SE Asia cannot be understood without considering SE Asian failures.

    Russians need to clean up their act. Even when Jews act badly, they are sober, engaged, active, organized, disciplined, serious, and devoted. Too many Russians are slovenly, lackadaisical, and infantile. The whole attitude must change.
    Attitude goes a long way.

    Right attitude means right approach.

    • 回复: @syonredux
  151. @tbraton

    Tsar is what I always thought was closest to the Russian. Some others share that opinion.
    Here’s an article on the topic—on a site about Russian brides, no less…

    http://russianwomenblog.hotrussianbrides.com/post/Tsar-vs-Czar-Whats-the-Difference.aspx

    • 回复: @tbraton
  152. Bill P 说:

    I’m an American whose image of Stalin was formed mainly by reading Alexander Solzhenitsyn, and to a lesser extent other Russian émigrés/defectors. What I took from these writers was that Stalin forged what might be described as a gangster empire. I don’t mean to say this to slur the man, but rather to describe what I saw as a system in constant turmoil that was run by vigorous, competitive young men with only a superficial commitment to ideals. It was a constant churn characterized by treachery and a sort of social Darwinism, oddly enough.

    Perhaps that’s partly a reflection of Stalin’s Caucasian origin; or so I’ve heard from some who grew up in the USSR. Maybe it was a necessary ingredient. I certainly wouldn’t count that out given what Russia went through in the 20th century.

    Finally, I have to admit that gangsterism is written into my own society as well. Whether it’s the “rampage” raids in France, the subjugation of Ireland, the Domesday Book or in later times the East India Company and Scottish Clearances, we have to give the British people credit for codifying a sort of rapine that originated in Scandinavia, just as the Russian empire evidently did. But there is a difference. The British system is written in a body of law with a 1,000-year pedigree. The Russian system is not. It’s a very important distinction, although not necessarily a morally important one. Either way, it’s something people ought to think about so as to understand the implications.

  153. @Anon

    His birth last name was Dzhugashvili which can be parsed to Dzhuga-shivili which translates to Judah – son of. Judah was the original Jew of the Bible.

    不。

    While -shvili indeed means “son of” in Georgian, the word for “Jew” is “Ebraeli.”

    Jugha (a closer transliteration) means “steel,” thus the byname “Stalin.”

    • 回复: @Anon
  154. eh 说:
    @Thirdeye

    Was it not in the protocols which ironically came out of russia that said the plan was to build russia and china the commie states up ?

    russia has NOT proved it is still not commie which is jewish .

    they are posing themselves as the saviors of world . Guess what there is NO Saviour but Jesus Christ

  155. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @syonredux

    More laughable propaganda nonsense. “Drawn and quartered”, hilarious propaganda.

    You think quoting a Zionist historian means what is quoted is fact? There is zero proof for your quote.

    Welcome to the absurdity known as the ‘holocau\$t’.

    Where physical evidence that should exist, if the dumb narrative was true, does not exist.

    There are literally thousands of quotes from courts of laws where people swear to witnessing witchcraft & sorcery, having sex with the devil. All governments recognized witchcraft as fact.
    Do you believe them? Probably.

    How about the WWI propaganda of Germans bayoneting children, or the phony Iraq “weapons of mass destruction”? How about the false attack in the Gulf of Tonkin off the coast of Vietnam.
    There’s tons more of such false claims

    Now here’s a quote, at Nuremberg, perjurer “inmate”/ operative Blaha said about Dachau in a sworn statement:

    There were numerous executions by gas, executions by firearms, and by injections, in the camp. The gas chamber was finished in 1944, and I called Dr. Rascher to examine the first victim. Of the eight or nine persons in the chamber, three were still alive; the others seemed to be dead. Their eyes were red and their faces bloated. Numerous detainees were subsquently killed in the same manner.” IMT, vol. V, p. 198 (PS-3249).

    Even sleazy Zionists admit there were no gassings at Dachau

    How about laughable & bizarre claims of human skin lampshades, soap made from Jews, shrunken heads which were accepted as fact at the time, but now even the sleazy Zionist ‘historians’ reject.

    Former commandant of Auschwitz said:

    I commanded Auschwitz until 1 December 1943, and estimate that at least 2,500,000 victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing and burning, and at least another half million succumbed to starvation and disease, making a total dead of about 3,000,000. This figure represents about 70% or 80% of all persons sent to Auschwitz as prisoners, the remainder having been selected and used for slave labor in the concentration camp industries. (Höss’ affidavit for his Nuremberg trial)

    But guess what, his handlers admitted torturing him to force him to make such impossible statements.
    An account by Rupert Butler on the capture and interrogation of Rudolf Hoess, includes the following episode:
    =

    The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it seemed to [Bernard] Clarke he blows and screams were endless. Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: ‘Call them off, unless you want to take back a corpse.’”(12)
    – 12.R. Butler, Legions of Death, Hamlyn, (London, 1983), p.237.

    The admission of Bernard Clarke was corroborated by Mr. Ken Jones in ‘The Wrexham Leader’, October 17, 1986.
    琼斯先生当时是驻扎在石勒苏益格-荷尔斯泰因州海德的第五皇家马炮兵的私人。

    They brought him to us when he refused to cooperate over questioning about his activites during the war. He came in the winter of 1945/6 and was put in a small jail cell in the barracks,” recalls Mr. Jones. Two other soldiers were detailed with Mr. Jones to join Hoess in his cell to help break him down for interrogation.”

    “我们昼夜不停地带着斧头坐在他的牢房里。 琼斯先生说:“我们的工作是在他每次入睡时向他施压,以帮助打破他的抵抗。”

    当Hoess参加运动时,在寒冷的寒冷中,他只能穿牛仔裤和薄棉布衬衫。 经过三天三夜的无眠,霍斯终于崩溃了,并向当局作出了充分的认罪。

    Now there were some very real quotes.

    Now here’s Hoess himself later:

    During the first interrogation they beat me to obtain evidence. I do not know what was in the transcript, or what I said, even though I signed it, because they gave me liquor and beat me with a whip. It was too much even for me to bear. – 11.R. Hoess, p. 179.

    还应注意,尽管犹太人声称确切知道这些所谓的巨大坟墓在哪里,但实际上并没有一个可验证的,可挖出的群众坟墓,而不仅仅是声称可以开采(回想起埋葬在特雷布林卡的900,000的索赔)。

  156. syonredux 说:
    @Priss Factor

    If Stalin wanted all of Europe, he could have had it during WWII. He didn’t have to stop in Germany. He could have taken more of Europe. But he didn’t.

    Not without risking war with the British and the Americans. Stalin, unlike Hitler, knew when to stop.

    The really important aspect of the Normandy landings and the Anglo Second Front in Western Europe is that it made sure that Stalin didn’t extend the Soviet sphere to the Rhine (at minimum).

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  157. @Sean

    The letters are genuine and are mentioned by William Shirer in his book The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.

  158. 5371 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    So you refute my claim that Rasputin did not dictate public policy, by adducing an instance in which he notoriously did not dictate public policy. Very good.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  159. tbraton 说:
    @PiltdownMan

    “Tsar is what I always thought was closest to the Russian. Some others share that opinion.
    Here’s an article on the topic—on a site about Russian brides, no less…”

    For that brilliant insight, I am going to nominate you as “Czar of this thread.” Why resort to a “dictionary” when you can resort to a “dicktionary”? Only somebody with the screenname “PiltdownMan” could come up with a brilliant idea like that. As the old saying goes, if you can’t trust PiltdownMan, who can you trust?

  160. The most deplorable one [又名“启示录的第四位门卫”] 说:
    @Wally

    I commanded Auschwitz until 1 December 1943, and estimate that at least 2,500,000 victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing and burning, …

    But guess what, his handlers admitted torturing him to force him to make such impossible statements.

    Have you done the energy calculations?

    The Germans had so much oil and gas and coal that they could easily afford to do it ten times over and conduct the war … NOT.

    • 同意: Jacques Sheete
    • 回复: @Jacques Sheete
    , @Wally
  161. @The most deplorable one

    I also have a hard time reconciling the 6 million figure with this:

    “允许最多100,000名成功从欧洲移民的人,这将使纳粹德国直接统治下的犹太人总数达到约3,200,000万。”

    美国犹太年鉴1941-1942,第664页

    Was there a population explosion (no pun intended) in Europe after 1942?

  162. Rurik 说:
    @Thomas O. Meehan

    I can’t call Hitlers fight “Righteous.” The existence of the Communist USSR did make his aggression plausible however.

    yes I too stop 非常 short of trying to canonize Hitler in any way. But when you consider the character (genocidal fiends) of the forces aligned up against him, he does almost look like a saint for the sheer fact that his enemies seem to represent Satan incarnate.

    I do wonder if some of the hysteria in trying to make Hitler out to be ‘the most evil man of all time’ isn’t just projection. And if they can effectively demonize Hitler and the Nazis as evil beyond comprehension, then it would go some distance in trying to justify the many unspeakably horrific atrocities the allies and Soviets committed against German (and other) civilians, or the genocidal, otherworldly racial hatred that people like Morgenthau or his Soviet counterpart Ilja Ehrenburg had (and many today still have!) for all Germans.

  163. @Vendetta

    And Hitler built the Autobahn, and in the Second World War the Germans had the coolest uniforms. Look hard enough and you can find something nice to say about anyone, no matter what kind of monster he might have been.

    • 回复: @anonymous
  164. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    “Um, no.

    While -shvili indeed means “son of” in Georgian, the word for “Jew” is “Ebraeli.”

    Jugha (a closer transliteration) means “steel,” thus the byname “Stalin.”

    Um! YES!

    Try saying Jugha or Dzhuga or any other spelling variation. Then say Judah and see how much difference you find. Many languages don’t have some sounds so variations exists in pronunciation. A well known example is Japanese using the R sound to replace the L sound. Rotsa Ruck instead of of Lotsa Luck.

    As for Ebraeli meaning Jew that’s just smelly soft brown stuff. Ebraeli means Israeli. An Israelite is a descendant of Israel of the Bible. Judah is an Israelite because he is a descendant of Israel. However so is Levi, Benjamin, Dan and all members of the 12 tribes of Israel.

    By that standard a Jew is an Israelite but an Israelite does not have to be a Jew.

    Actually if you read the bible one of sons or grandsons of Solomon (forgot which) was a nasty bugger of a king and most of the tribes rebelled against him and formed their own nation called Israel. His supporters formed a nation retaining the name Judea. Descendants of the tribes that made up the nation of Israel would be Israelites while descendants of the tribes that made up Judea are Jews.

    By that standard a Jew is not an Israelite.

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  165. @5371

    LOL

    At least my response induced you to make a logically coherent point for once.

    But it is the case that Rasputin was frequently at court, that his personal conduct created scandal, and that his political intrigues evoked the anger of both courtiers and politicians, including the Prime Minister, Stolypin, yet he was protected, on the orders of the Czar, by a six-man security services detail. Hardly a politically insignificant figure it seems reasonable to think.

  166. Anon • 免责声明 说:

    His supporters formed a nation retaining the name Judea.

    Thinking about it, the original nation that split into the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Jedea was probably not called Judea

  167. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @The most deplorable one

    Yes, the energy calculations have been made at
    http://www.forum.codoh.com
    and in various scholarly works to be found at http://www.codoh.com 在:
    《大屠杀手册》
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1
    和其他地方。

    一个例子:
    At Treblinka 900,000 Jews are absurdly said to have been gassed (in impossible 柴油机 gas chambers, as if the Germans had diesel gas to spare, as if diesel actually can be used for executions, it cannot, recall that the Germans and everyone else had large quantities of Tabun & Sarin gasses where mere drops can kill countless people) and then cremated on grill-like railroad ties using wood as fuel.
    Have any idea how much wood from the surrounding trees 900,000 corpses would require? How many trainloads of wood? How many men to cut this wood, on & on. There is no massive deforestation of the woods around Treblinka, there are no records of workers, train shipements, etc.

    然后, why haven’t the alleged enormous mass graves for the 900,000 Jews that are claimed to be known and supposedly precisely located at Treblinka been excavated, verified, and shown? Because they do not exist and Jews are not about to allow their scam to be further exposed.

    There’s much more where that came from at the above links. Join us and learn the truth.

    “大屠杀”故事情节是有史以来最容易被揭穿的叙事之一。 这就是为什么那些质疑它的人遭到逮捕和迫害的原因。 这就是为什么暴力,种族主义和特权至上的犹太至上主义者要求进行审查。 拒绝言论自由和寻求真理的自由是什么真理? 真理不需要受到审查。

    谢谢

  168. @Anon

    And how many Georgians do you know?

    Actually, there is another Georgian word for Jew: Iudeli.

    Under no circumstances would the word for Jew in virtually any language swap the “d” in the Hebrew “yehudi” for a “g.” Languages don’t work that way because the mouth and brain don’t.

    • 回复: @Anon
  169. anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @The Plutonium Kid

    Look hard enough and you can find something nice to say about anyone, no matter what kind of monster he might have been.

    案例
    https://www.unz.com/article/israels-friends-against-the-first-amendment/#comment-1385919

    &

    https://www.unz.com/article/israels-friends-against-the-first-amendment/#comment-1387021

    them things right thar oughta be enuf to wipe out crimes against at least half of the people IDF killed in Gaza in 2008-2009.

    now for the other 700,000 Palestinians ethnically cleansed from their homes . . .

  170. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @The most deplorable one

    Laughable. As if the Jew York Times has ever been reliable about anything, especially things which are in the interests of racist red neck Jews.

    Now see the 6,000,0000 scam going back to 1869. 伤害不是。

    “ 6万犹太人,5万其他犹太人和毒气室”在科学上是不可能的欺诈行为。
    请参阅此处揭穿的“大屠杀”骗局:
    http://www.codoh.com
    没有名字的呼唤,在这里进行公平的竞争环境辩论:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    还应注意,尽管犹太人声称确切知道这些所谓的巨大坟墓在哪里,但实际上并没有一个可验证的,可挖出的群众坟墓,而不仅仅是声称可以开采(回想起埋葬在特雷布林卡的900,000的索赔)。

  171. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @syonredux

    “Stalin, unlike Hitler, knew when to stop.”

    I agree. That is why there is no way Stalin would have started a war against Germany.
    He was looking for advantageous positioning vis-a-vis Germany without going to war with it.

    Besides, a Soviet attack on Germany might have led to US and UK siding with Germany.

    Though Churchill and FDR loathed Hitler and Nazis, if the world news was COMMUNIST RUSSIA ATTACKS GERMANY, many in UK and US would have demanded support for Germany.

    The US-UK-USSR alliance wouldn’t have been possible.

    • 回复: @OutWest
  172. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Anon

    “80-90% of the early Bolsheviks was a Jew”

    什么?

    Jews were disproportionately represented but not by that much. LOL.

    • 回复: @Anon
  173. Rurik 说:

    Besides, a Soviet attack on Germany might have led to US and UK siding with Germany.

    sometimes Priss, you have no clue

    if the world news was COMMUNIST RUSSIA ATTACKS GERMANY

    do you know what the NYT was saying about the Holomor as it was happening?

    Walter Duranty, the winner of the 1932 Pulitzer prize in journalism in the category of correspondence, for his dispatches on Soviet Union (called incorrectly Russia) and the working out of the Five Year Plan.[36] While the famine was raging, he wrote in the pages of The New York Times that “any report of a famine in Russia is today an exaggeration or malignant propaganda”, and that “there is no actual starvation or deaths from starvation, but there is widespread mortality from diseases due to malnutrition.”[33]

    Duranty was well aware of the famine. He told in private to Eugene Lyons and reported to the British Embassy that the population of Ukraine and Lower Volga had “decreased” by six to seven million.[37] However, in his reports, Duranty downplayed the impact of food shortages in Ukraine. As Duranty wrote in a dispatch from Moscow in March 1933, “Conditions are bad, but there is no famine… But—to put it brutally—you can’t make an omelet without breaking eggs.”[38]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Holodomor

    And when the Nazis came across the mass-graves from the Katyn massacre, they invited the Red Cross and representatives from all governments to come and take a look at Stalin’s handiwork, only to have the US and British governments and the NYT screech that it was the Nazis that did it!

    And you think the Nazis would get a fair shake from the Western media or governments?

    I suspect you’re just being silly really.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  174. @Wally

    Laughable. As if the Jew York Times has ever been reliable about anything, especially things which are in the interests of racist red neck Jews.

    You do realize that you are citing the NYTimes, don’t you?

    So is it reliable or not? If reliable, then I guess there really were six million Jews in Eastern Europe. If not, then why use it?

    Who shaves the barber?

    • 回复: @Wally
  175. syonredux 说:
    @Wally

    More laughable propaganda nonsense. “Drawn and quartered”, hilarious propaganda.

    You think quoting a Zionist historian means what is quoted is fact? There is zero proof for your quote.

    Dunno, dear fellow.The Nazi destruction of Warsaw is pretty-well documented……Not to mention other deeds committed by the Nazis: the deaths of 3 million plus Soviet POWs, the destruction of hundreds of villages in Belarus in “reprisal operations,” the 670,000 plus people who starved to death during the siege of Leningrad……

    Of course, I’m sure that you could argue that the Nazis never actually invaded Poland in the first place…..For that matter, how do we know that Hitler really existed?Maybe WW2 never actually happened…..

  176. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    And how many Georgians do you know?

    How many do you know yourself? BTW I actually ran across that web site where you pulled the reference that in Georgian Israeli means Jew. It also said that Dzhuga refers to some island. Yup! Yup! Totally belieavable! Ah! No!

    Actually, there is another Georgian word for Jew: Iudeli.

    So! There are multiple names for Jews in every language. Kike for instance, and Iudeli sounds more like yehudi then Kike does.

    Under no circumstances would the word for Jew in virtually any language swap the “d” in the Hebrew “yehudi” for a “g.” Languages don’t work that way because the mouth and brain don’t.

    Dzhugashvili – parsed to Dzhuga shivili meaning Judah – son of. Dzhuga sounds almost exactly like Judah. So! Stalins original last name is litera “son of Judah”.

    Considering it is know he had a genetic defect common to Georgians Jews ( inbreeding don’t you know) spoke Yiddish, set up an Autonomous Jewish Oblast, had no less then 3 Jewish wives, was the first to recognize Israel, and appointed Jewish leaders for Warsaw pact nations after WW2, the odds that he is not Jewish, are in the same ballpark as the moon is made out of Swiss cheese.

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  177. Rurik 说:
    @CanSpeccy

    Hello CS,

    It was the deliberate creation of a bureaucratic mind which demanded the collectivization of agriculture, immediately, as a purely theoretical proposition, without any consideration whatever of the consequences in human suffering

    I suspect it was far worse than that. I suspect is was done with a definite consideration of “the consequences in human suffering”. I suspect is was done to maximize human suffering to its ultimate levels. I suspect that the people who ran the NKVD were so full of racial hatred for the prosperous and hard working and capable farmers and peasants, that they took great pleasure from the incomprehensible suffering they were imposing on these pitiable people.

    here’s an iconic picture of a Turkish official taunting some starving Arminian children with some food

    I’ve read accounts of how the German people were treated by the allies after Germany was crushed and literally starving after the war. The opportunistic occupiers would pimp out children to soldiers.

    Sometimes I get criticized for calling some of my fellow man a sub-human. But what do you call a person who would pimp out a ten year old to drooling beasts on two legs to sate their lust with?

    If you ever get to the point where you think you’ve glimmered the bottomless depths of human depravity and man’s cruelty to man, brace yourself, because you’re always in a for another moment of soul-numbing cynicism.

  178. @CanSpeccy

    The Muggeridge quote you gave does 不能 support your contention that the so-called ‘holodomor’ was genocide. Real genocide has to be pre-meditated and intentional; Muggeridge characterizes the famine as having taken place “without any consideration whatever of the consequences in human suffering.” A world of difference.

    • 回复: @CanSpeccy
  179. War for Blair Mountain [又名“布莱尔山之战” 说:

    If Franco had been given the supreme power to govern and rule America…he would have had the Native Born White American West Virginia Coal Miners at the Battle for Blair Mountain taken out into an open field and slaughtered.

    Moreover, POTUS Franco would suppress all West Virginia Coal Miner Rebellions over the last 100 with the use of his Muslim Berber Army. West Virginia Christian Churches would have been desecrated and the wives and daughters of West Virginia Coal Miners gang raped and impregnated by Franco’s Muzzies.

    Pinochet another anti-working class gangster.

    I feel a great urge to say a big FUCK YOU!!! to the Radix Journal Crowd. I really hate the Radix Journal cabal of Royalists-Facist- worshippers.

  180. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Rurik

    here’s an iconic picture of a Turkish official taunting some starving Arminian children with some food

    The Turks responsible were the Young Turks political party, which was controlled by a bunch of Turkish crypto Jews which had outwardly converted to Islam. The party was funded by the Rothschild/Freemason interests. Adding the Greeks and other ethnic groups the death toll was around 3 million.

    The reason that the Armenian holocaust in Turkey still has not been recognized by the West, is that the news and governments of the West are largely controlled by Jews, and Jews hide their crimes.

    http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=95

    In 1920 the Russian Jewish Bolsheviks supply Attaturk with 10 million gold roubles, 45,000 rifles, and 300 machine guns.

    In 1921 Attaturk occupies the Port of Baku ceding it to the Jewish Bolsheviks five days later. The Rothschilds are delighted as they now have their Baku Oil Company in Jewish Bolshevik territory.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  181. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Anon

    My source for Georgian is not a web site — it’s a woman I dated for about a year.

    You, OTOH, are just repeating yourself at this point without any evidence for your assertions.

    • 回复: @Anon
    , @Anon
  182. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Rurik

    “do you know what the NYT was saying about the Holomor as it was happening?”

    But here’s the thing. The great majority of Americans didn’t want to get involved in WWII. Remember it took Pearl Harbor and Hitler’s declaration of war on US that turned it around. FDR wanted to get US in the war, but he couldn’t.
    FDR needed to convince the American public — made up largely of Anglos and German-Americans — that Germany was the evil aggressor. That narrative would have been destroyed if Russia attacked Germany first.
    Had that happened, the ‘isolationist’ America Firsters would have roused Americans up to put pressure on FDR to send support to Germany against Russia.
    The narrative of Germany-as-main-aggressor was a moral necessity for getting US into the war on the side of UK and USSR.

    “And when the Nazis came across the mass-graves from the Katyn massacre, they invited the Red Cross and representatives from all governments to come and take a look at Stalin’s handiwork”

    But this was AFTER Germany invaded the USSR. By that time, Germany was seen as the great aggressor that even waged an attack on an ally, which Soviet Union was following the Ribbentropp-Molotov Pact.

    As US was a democracy and FDR was under public pressure, a Soviet first strike on Germany would have been for the Left.
    It would made Germany seem like the victim nation, and plenty of conservative white Americans would have demanded that US get involved on the side of Germany or at least send weapons and supplies to Germany. If indeed Europe was faced with total takeover by USSR, the US might have been forced into alliance with Germany.

    After all, US and China moved closer against USSR in the 70s and 80s.

    That’s how politics works. I mean look how Israel and Saudis work together even though they loathe each other. They have Iran to worry about.

    • 回复: @Anon
    , @Rurik
  183. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Anon

    Ataturk was a great man, you dumbass.

    And he was much admired by Mussolini and Hitler.

    • 回复: @Anon
    , @Avery
    , @geokat62
  184. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @5371


  185. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @syonredux

    Yes, the Germans put down the Warsaw uprising, as was legal under the Geneva Convention, Germans and some armed Jews died, so what?

    Has nothing to do with the impossible ‘6m Jews, 5M others, and gas chambers’.

    I notice you dodge the impossible ‘gas chambers’ which is the foundation of the ‘holocau\$t’ scam.

    What the Zionist say are in contradiction with the facts and the lack of human remains for your 3M prisoners is damning to your position. After all, the claim is these men were killed in specific, centralized sites where human remains would be easily found, IF the lies were facts. They are obviously not.

    Your 670,000 is not verifiable at all, it’s just a made up number, just more old Soviet propaganda used by Jews to tar & feather Germans for cash. The Soviets could have just surrendered and spared any alleged starvation, but no, to the communists life was cheap.

    [更多]

    Yes the Germans invaded Poland AFTER horrific atrocities against Germans, and yes the Germans wanted their land back that was stolen from them under the egregious Versailles Treaty which many, many ‘historians’ today admit was an outrageous ‘treaty’.
    开始了:

    “波兰希望与德国开战,即使她愿意,德国也无法避免开战。”
    – 6年1939月XNUMX日的《每日邮报》报道了波兰元帅Rydz-Smigly

    和:

    在波兰的压力下,南部和东部地区的德国人受到压迫性待遇。 19年1920月1921日,波兰人的力量确实足够强大,试图用武力占领该国。 在波兰的各个方面,主要是从波兰国会招募的人,都在篡夺权威。 许多德国人被强行带过边境进入波兰,许多人被杀。 经过数周的时间,才有可能平息这一上升和恢复秩序……协约国曾建议,德意志帝国的非居民上西里西亚人应在科隆西里西亚之外投票。 德国对此表示抗议,协约国承认她的抗议是有效的。 20年1921月,全民公决的日期定为XNUMX年XNUMX月XNUMX日。
    波兰人利用恐怖主义立即复兴,特别是在里布尼克,普莱斯,卡托维兹和贝登地区。 在全民投票之前的几天,它达到了高潮。 来自德国帝国其他地区的选民经常被拒绝参加民意调查。 有时他们受到虐待,甚至在某些情况下被谋杀; 选民们住的房屋被烧毁……在全民公决后的第二天,波兰的暴行重新开始,从那以后一直持续不间断……实际上,所有城镇都投票支持德国……XNUMX月初见证了新的波兰起义。比前一个比例要大得多。 Korfanty秘密地筹集了一支井井有条的波兰部队,该部队从边境提供武器和弹药,并得到来自波兰的大批士兵的加固。
    到20月XNUMX日,英军再次占领了较大的城镇,而波兰人则在农村地区占了上风。 由于难以支付他的士兵和向他们提供食物,科凡蒂现在失去了对他的追随者的控制。 成立了独立的乐队,掠夺了村庄,虐待了德国人,并杀死了其中许多人。”

    – 1922年《大不列颠百科全书》,“ SILESIA,UPPER”

    and this article appeared in the Polish newspaper Die Liga der Grossmacht in October, 1930:

    波兰和德国之间的斗争是不可避免的。 我们必须系统地为此做好准备。 我们的目标是新的坦能堡战役。 但是,这次是柏林郊区的坦嫩伯格(Tannenberg)。 普鲁士必须重新征服波兰,而普鲁士的确应征服至施普雷河。 在与德国的战争中,将不会有囚犯……

    “ 6万犹太人,5万其他犹太人和毒气室”在科学上是不可能的欺诈行为。
    请参阅此处揭穿的“大屠杀”骗局:
    http://www.codoh.com
    没有名字的呼唤,在这里进行公平的竞争环境辩论:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    还应注意,尽管犹太人声称确切知道这些所谓的巨大坟墓在哪里,但实际上并没有一个可验证的,可挖出的群众坟墓,而不仅仅是声称可以开采(回想起埋葬在特雷布林卡的900,000的索赔)。

    “大屠杀”故事情节是有史以来最容易被揭穿的叙事之一。 这就是为什么那些质疑它的人遭到逮捕和迫害的原因。 这就是为什么暴力,种族主义和特权至上的犹太至上主义者要求进行审查。 拒绝言论自由和寻求真理的自由是什么真理? 真理不需要受到审查。

  186. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Anonymous

    You, OTOH, are just repeating yourself at this point without any evidence for your assertions.

    As Georgia is a Orthodox Christian nation it must have a Georgian version of the Bible. The Bible Old Testament states that the original Jew was Judah. Ask your girlfriend how his name was spelled and pronounced in Georgian.

    For me Dzhuga sure sounds like Judah and the only ethnic group that would name their kids “son of Judah” would be a descendants of Judah aka Jews!

    Dzhugashvili – parsed to Dzhuga- shivili meaning Judah – son of. Dzhuga sounds almost exactly like Judah. So! Stalins original last name is literally “son of Judah” aka he is a Jew.

    That Stalin recognized Israel 3 days after it declared independence and that Stalin set up Jews as the leaders of Warsaw pact nations after WW2 can EASILY be verified.

    The rest depends on who you believe. His genetic defect for instance was covered up by stating that he had been run over by a wagon and never fully recovered.

    The Soviet propaganda machine states he was run over by a wagon. Someone else states he had a genetic defect common to Jews. Who do YOU believe? A bunch of KNOWN MASS MURDERERS or a person of unknown background?

  187. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Ataturk was a great man, you dumbass.

    And he was much admired by Mussolini and Hitler.

    probably Mao, Pol Pot and Kim Il Jong as well.

  188. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    I cite them and many, many others which you ignore because they contradict the facts and prove my point that the laughable 6,000,000 was a Jew scam looking for a foothold. Catch up.

    BTW, here’s a good thread for you. Note the other things that this character has claimed which have been demolished utterly.
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9414

    [更多]

    “ 6万犹太人,5万其他犹太人和毒气室”在科学上是不可能的欺诈行为。
    请参阅此处揭穿的“大屠杀”骗局:
    http://www.codoh.com
    没有名字的呼唤,在这里进行公平的竞争环境辩论:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    还应注意,尽管犹太人声称确切知道这些所谓的巨大坟墓在哪里,但实际上并没有一个可验证的,可挖出的群众坟墓,而不仅仅是声称可以开采(回想起埋葬在特雷布林卡的900,000的索赔)。

    “大屠杀”故事情节是有史以来最容易被揭穿的叙事之一。 这就是为什么那些质疑它的人遭到逮捕和迫害的原因。 这就是为什么暴力,种族主义和特权至上的犹太至上主义者要求进行审查。 拒绝言论自由和寻求真理的自由是什么真理? 真理不需要受到审查。

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  189. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Priss Factor

    FDR wanted to get US in the war, but he couldn’t.

    People in the US wanted nothing to do with another war in Europe. FDR’s plan involved sticking as many needles as he could into Japan forcing them to go to war. One of those needles was to stop exporting raw material to Japan in order to crash their economy. His plan was a success when the Japanese facing an oil shortage, attacked Pearl Harbor to destroy US navy in the Pacific, before rushing south to modern day Indonesia to grab the oil and rubber resources of that area. Back then the US was a big oil exporter.

    The US as a result of Pearl Harbor declares war on Japan, and Germany by their treaty with Japan is forced to declare war on the US. Voila! The US in now a part of another European war.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
    , @syonredux
  190. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Would a Russian from the KGB know?

    Putin states that over 80% of Bolsheviks were Jews.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/putin-first-soviet-government-was-mostly-jewish/

    俄罗斯总统弗拉基米尔·普京说,第一届苏联政府的成员中至少有 80% 是犹太人。

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  191. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Anonymous

    My source for Georgian is not a web site

    Your original response is the same as from this site

    http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com/2009/02/was-josef-stalin-jewish.html

    the word ‘Djuga’ (or ‘Dzhuga’) in old Georgian does not mean ‘jew’ or ‘Djou’, but rather it roughly equates ‘steel’. The old Georgian words for jew were actually ‘Ebraeli’ or ‘Uriya’, which bear absolutely no resemblance to ‘Djuga’ or ‘Dzhuga’.

    Again please advise how your girlfriend states as to how how the name Judah, the original Jew of the Old Testament, was spelled and pronounced in Georgian.

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
    , @tbraton
  192. @Seamus Padraig

    There is hardly “A world of difference,” as you call it, between stealing someone’s food for profit, with the inevitable consequence that they die of starvation, and starving them in order to kill them. Morally, it is a distinction without an obvious difference.

    According to some accounts, grain was confiscated and exported to pay for the industrial goods Russia was then importing from the West, for example, the oil refinery supplied by the Winckler-Koch engineering Co., of Wichita, Kansas. But that being so, it was, nevertheless, a case of theft resulting inevitably in the death of millions.

    But, according to Malcolm Muggeridge’s eye-witness account of the Ukraine famine, which was published in the book 莫斯科的冬天, huge piles of grain confiscated in the Ukraine were dumped at remote places beside the rail line, where the grain was left to rot. This suggests that mass starvation was the objective, not an unfortunate consequence of economic policy.

    And here is what one Jewish commentator had to say with reference to the Great Ukraine Famine:

    An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name “Genrikh Yagoda,” the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU’s deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin’s collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people.

    Presumably, of those 10 million killed during the process of collectivization, many died in the Ukraine.

    • 回复: @Jon Halpenny
  193. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Anon

    Upper echelons were heavily Jewish. But if we include ALL the Bolsheviks, most were not Jewish.

    • 回复: @Anon
    , @Andrew E. Mathis
  194. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Anon

    On the other hand, even if there were no Hitler and European war raging, FDR’s policy against Japan made perfect sense morally and politically.

    Japan had gone crazy and advancing in China.

    Why should US sell oil and iron to such a nation?

    Besides, FDR’s conditions to Japan were generous. Japan could keep Manchuria, Korea, and Taiwan. It only needed to move out of rest of China, and US would resume sale of oil and iron.

    Japan must be blamed for its reckless actions.

    I agree FDR was a devious man and was looking for a way into the European war.

    But Japan could have avoided the war by being more sensible. But hotheads prevailed in Japan.

    My guess is Japan banked on quick German victory in Russia by 1942.
    One wonders what would have happened if the USSR had fallen to Germany.

    In retrospect, maybe from a military point of view, it would have been better for Japan to attack USSR than the US.

    Could USSR have fended off both Germany and Japan? Possibly. Maybe not.

    • 回复: @5371
  195. @Rurik

    Re: the Ukraine famine

    I suspect is was done to maximize human suffering

    Hatred of those we wish to destroy is an understandable mechanism of moral self-justification. In which connection is has been claimed, that:

    Victoria Nuland was in an exchange program and became a counselor at a Soviet children’s camp in Odessa in 1982. One of the ways she amused herself was to throw sunflower seeds into the dirt and laugh at the little Ukrainian children as they picked up and ate the dirty seeds. A Russian girl, also a counselor at the camp, got into a fight with her because of Nuland’s treatment of those children.

    来源.

  196. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Upper echelons were heavily Jewish. But if we include ALL the Bolsheviks, most were not Jewish.

    By one account about half the members of the Communist party of Russia were Jews. The top echelons were over 80% Jewish. Every few years the Jews would “cleanse” the non-Jews from the party as at that point the non-Jews would start to figure out that Jews controlled everything and might rebel.

    I read somewhere that the US Communist party is 75% Jewish. If that party took over the US, then more non-Jews would join (a lust for money and power thing). I’m also sure that the Jews who already have the power would kill off any non-Jews that were a threat to their power ( again a lust for money and power thing). I’m also sure that they would kill off any Jews that were a threat to their power. It’s just that they would act harsher toward non Jews. In Chinese novels the term used for a harsh punishment is “kill off nine generations of your family” instead of just killing you.

  197. Avery 说:
    @Priss Factor

    多米尼克大便协会:

    {Ataturk was a great man…}

    Sure he was.
    And your hero coward Hitler committed suicide and Red Army troops pissed on his ashes.
    Mussolini was hanged upside down by Italian patriots.

    They were admired alright: by the Turds.

    • 回复: @SolontoCroesus
  198. @Wally

    Why the hell would I care what goes on in that forum you love so much?

    As I said, its reputation precedes it. I’ll take you on at the Phora or Debate.org but not at CODOH. Even other Holocaust deniers avoid CODOH like the plague, which I guess is why you come here and try to find playmates.

    Hurts, don’t it?

  199. @Priss Factor

    All liberal and socialist political parties in pre-Revolutionary Russia had large Jewish contingents, which should hardly be surprising given their situation under the tsars. In terms of Jewish proportion, the Bolsheviks were below average. The Mensheviks and SRs both had much larger Jewish populations, as did the Bund, which was 100% Jewish and drew, by far, the largest percentage of the Jewish population as a whole. All of these parties were outlawed by the Bolsheviks.

    • 回复: @Anon
    , @tbraton
  200. @Anon

    She’s my ex-girlfriend from 15 years ago. I’m married to another woman entirely. Hardly convenient to get your question answered for you.

    • 回复: @Anon
  201. @Wally

    Yes, the Germans put down the Warsaw uprising, as was legal under the Geneva Convention, Germans and some armed Jews died, so what?

    Your interlocutor was referring to the general uprising in 1944, not to 1943 uprising.

    • 回复: @Wally
  202. @Rurik

    That picture is now almost universally acknowledged to be a fake.

    • 回复: @Rurik
    , @Anon
  203. @Wally

    Do you find it at all strange that a Polish newspaper would have a German title?

    • 回复: @Anon
    , @Wally
  204. The most deplorable one [又名“启示录的第四位门卫”] 说:
    @Wally

    You seem to have missed my point.

    The article I quoted relates directly to the third quoted snippet above from Sept 12, 1891

    That is because it comes from an NY Times article, and that article, if you bothered to read it, is very critical of Russia.

    Then during the time of Walter Duranty, the NY Times was very supportive of the Soviet Union. What had changed? Certainly nothing at the Times, it seems.

    My suggestion is that a lot of those article will be found in the Times.

  205. 5371 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Japan had got its fingers burned in Mongolia in the summer of 1939. In any case they knew they could not decide the issue of a German-Soviet war, and there would always be time enough to benefit if Germany won it.

    • 回复: @syonredux
  206. syonredux 说:
    @Wally

    Yes, the Germans put down the Warsaw uprising, as was legal under the Geneva Convention, Germans and some armed Jews died,

    Dear fellow, I’m referring to the Polish ’44 Warsaw Uprising , not to the Jewish ’43 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising. Over 100,000 thousand Polish civilians were killed. A nasty piece of business, that. And the Dirlewanger Brigade stands out for the sheer number of atrocities that it committed.

    and the lack of human remains for your 3M prisoners is damning to your position.

    So, I take it that you don’t believe that 3 million Soviet POWs died while under German custody during WW2? Fascinating.

    Yes the Germans invaded Poland AFTER horrific atrocities against Germans,

    But, dear fellow, how do you know that any anti-German atrocities were committed?After all, you believe that the Soviets-USA-British-Poles faked all of the atrocities committed by the Nazis. Why couldn’t the Germans fake a few atrocities of their own? Fair is fair.

    But, hey, at least we both agree that the Germans invaded Poland….

    Your 670,000 is not verifiable at all,

    Dunno, dear fellow. That’s the conservative estimate. Lots of people argue that the death toll was around 1 million…..

    • 回复: @Wally
  207. The most deplorable one [又名“启示录的第四位门卫”] 说:
    @syonredux

    Reprisals are a standard part of war and the destruction of Warsaw can be considered a reprisal.

    Temujin had a simple policy which the Nazis also seemed to apply.

    • 回复: @syonredux
  208. @CanSpeccy

    “There is hardly “A world of difference,” as you call it, between stealing someone’s food for profit, with the inevitable consequence that they die of starvation, and starving them in order to kill them. Morally, it is a distinction without an obvious difference.”

    Food was exported out of Ireland during the famine. But western historians never say the Irish famine was genocide. Of course, we know western historians are always objective and never biased.

  209. @Avery

    Mussolini was hanged upside down by Italian patriots.

    correction: Mussolini was hanged upside down by Italian 游击队, who were in the employ of OSS.

    Andrew Buchanan, American Grand Strategy in the Mediterranean during World War II,

    Roosevelt was determined to establish American hegemony over the Mediterranean; controlling Italy was key to that objective. To that end, FDR consulted with Bernard Baruch and devised plans to for US forces to take Rome, undercutting the prior plan by which US and British were to jointly take Rome.

    Partisanos handled by OSS were also an element in that objective, along with the invasion of Italy and drive up the peninsula to control Italian air fields at Foggio, from which Allies continued firebombing campaign against Germany.

  210. Rurik 说:
    @Priss Factor

    That narrative would have been destroyed if Russia attacked Germany first.

    but Russia did attack Poland in a preemptive invasion, and yet we allied with Russia. So ‘who attacks who’ seems to count for very little. All that matters is how it’s spun to the public. Just like with all the casus belli’s for war.

    The narrative of Germany-as-main-aggressor was a moral necessity for getting US into the war on the side of UK and USSR.

    and that is different from the lies told to get Americans to go fight WWI how?

    All they have to do is tell lies. Just like with the sinking of the Maine, just like with the sinking of the Lusitania, or just like with Saddam’s attack on the US on 911. All they have to do with the sheeple is tell the sheeple lies, and the sheeple will bray their fealty and send their sons to die.

    But this was AFTER Germany invaded the USSR. By that time, Germany was seen as the great aggressor

    yes but imagine if the NYT and the US government had told the truth (I know, I know, it’s almost surreal just typing those words), but imagine. Germany was fighting a demon who had genocided millions of Ukrainian farmers, and now this! Stalin’s fiends had rounded up the entire Polish intelligentsia and leadership and clergy and military officers and executed them all like so many dogs at the edge of a ditch. Had the American people been told the truth, even at that stage, then things would have been different. But of course, as always- they simply lied. Like they always do 😉

    That’s how politics works. I mean look how Israel and Saudis work together even though they loathe each other. They have Iran to worry about.

    Sure, but I just don’t want to fight their wars for them anymore. Let those sniveling, treacherous little cowards fight their own wars for once.

  211. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @syonredux

    ’43, ’44 doesn’t matter, my same response to you.

    Where’s your proof for your “100,000”? You don’t have it. Just more Zionist propaganda.

    Dirlewanger? Now that’s just more unproven nonsense right up there with the bogus & thoroughly deunked ‘Jaeger Report’. In fact http://www.forum.codoh.com has utterly demolished the propaganda about both. Have a look. Don’t be afraid.

    Some Soviet POWs died to be sure, a mere pittance compared to German POWs who died at the hands of the murderous Allies.
    see Eisenhower’s death camps,
    http://www.rense.com/general46/germ.htm

    And the claimed manner of death (impossible gas chambers) for Soviet POWs is utterly absurd, I notice you avoid that. Again, where are the massive human remains you claim must exist?
    啊!

    I also notice you ignore my references to Polish atrocities against Germans PRIOR to the NSDAP rise to power. Oops.

    IOW, my little boy, you’re talking strictly from the hasbara handbook and that does not withstand up to rational scrutiny.

    So then, why are you distancing yourself the alleged & impossible ‘Nazi gas chambers’?

    • 回复: @syonredux
  212. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Yes, and my response is the same.

    Why are you distancing yourself from the alleged & impossible ‘Nazi gas chambers’?

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  213. Rurik 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    That picture is now almost universally acknowledged to be a fake.

    Oh! Please provide a link that points that out, and if you’re right, then I’ll stop using it.

    这些怎么样?

    this woman was tortured

    you know one of the photos that always stuck in my mind for it’s incomprehensible cruelty was the image of the girls being crucified. It turns out that the photo I remember seeing was actually from a movie, and the crucifixions were based on eyewitness accounts. So I couldn’t be sure if it actually happened, but then there does seem to be quite a lot of talk of this sort of thing, even if it wasn’t as exactly portrayed in the movie. Here’s this for instance from Wiki:

    Aurora Mardiganian, a survivor of the Armenian genocide of 1915–1923, recalled sixteen young Armenian girls being “crucified” by their Ottoman tormentors. The film Auction of Souls (1919), which was based on her book Ravished Armenia, showed the victims nailed to crosses. However, almost 70 years later Mardiganian revealed to film historian Anthony Slide that the scene was inaccurate. She described what was actually an impalement. She stated that “The Turks didn’t make their crosses like that. The Turks made little pointed crosses. They took the clothes off the girls. They made them bend down, and after raping them, they made them sit on the pointed wood, through the vagina. That’s the way they killed

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravished_Armenia

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  214. @Rurik

    Three of FDR’s very first acts as president were to “torpedo” the economic conference that was intended to relieve the impossible situation besetting Britain, France and Germany (this was in June or July 1933 iirc);
    to delegate Henry Morgenthau, Jr. to negotiate with Stalinist Russia for recompense for American properties lost in WWI — behind the backs of FDR’s State Department, and involving an arrangement that was challenged by US courts (also begun in Summer 1933 to Fall 1933);
    and to ally USA with Bolshevik Russia — accomplished by ~November 1933.
    According to Jean Edward Smith in 罗斯福, US newspaper editors were polled and agreed: Bolshevism was so yesterday; USA luvs USSR today:

    “The furor of 1920s anti-Bolshevism had subsided, American business looked favorably upon increasing trade, and the traditional rivalry between Russia and Japan . . . made the Soviet Union a reliable buffer against Japanese expansionism. A survey of 1,139 newspapers in September [1933] indicated that fewer than 27 percent opposed recognition. “I think the menace of Bolshevism in the United States is about as great as the menace of sunstroke in Greenland . . .” said Roy Howard, head of the Scripps-Howard chain.”

    • 同意: Rurik
  215. Rehmat 说:
    @Sherman

    Come on Sharon – you know the evil Jews are honored more by their tribe that the non-so-evil Jews.

    For example, Israeli military hero, Maj. Gen. Rehavam Zeevi, former tourism minister and a rabid anti-Muslim Russian Jew, was accused of rape and sexual abuse by Channel 2’s investigative journalist program Uvda earlier this week – reported by JTA on April 15, 2016.

    In addition Uvda also accused Zeevi of collaborating with a Jewish crime boss, Tuvia Oshri, to set off an explosive device in 1974 outside the home of Silvia Keshet, a Jewish investigative journalist who wrote critically about Zeevi. Naturally, no one was convicted of the crime.

    On October 17, 2001, Zeevi a former member of Jewish terrorist militia Palmach and a mass-murder was killed by a member of a Palestinian resistance group, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) in retaliation to assassination of PFLP secretary-general Abu Ali Mustafa.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/04/15/israels-military-hero-a-rapist/

  216. @Rurik

    I only know about that image because Donald Bloxham discusses it in his book on the genocide.

  217. @Wally

    If you believe the destruction of Warsaw in 1944 was justified and allowable under international law, then I assume you also have no problem with the destruction of Dresden by the Allies. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

    I’m avoiding nothing on gas chambers. Your cut and pasting of things you didn’t write is not going to get a response from me. Make your own arguments.

    • 回复: @Wally
  218. OutWest 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Germany declared war on the U.S. because of the Japanese attack on the U.S. Perhaps the one time Hitler honored an agreement. But the U.S had already been in a shooting war with Germany off Iceland.

  219. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Rurik

    “but Russia did attack Poland in a preemptive invasion, and yet we allied with Russia.”

    It was well understood in the West that Hitler was the main instigator leading the events. Stalin made a pact with Hitler as a defensive measure. Hitler offered Stalin the pact, not the other way around. Also, it was Hitler’s idea to divide Poland. Stalin accepted.

    From Stalin’s point of view, the West was trying to use Hitler against Russia. So, Stalin jumped at the chance at alliance so that Hitler would direct his ire at the West.

    Anyway, when Germany first invaded Poland(USSR followed 2 weeks later), the West decided Germany was the Main Threat.

    For the West to declare war on both Germany and USSR would have strengthened the pact between Germany and Russia. The West was looking to break up the pact, and declaring war on BOTH countries would have had the opposite effect.

    Anyway, the West was correct that Hitler was the prime driver of the crises. Not only did he come up with the Nazi-Soviet pact but he recklessly attacked the USSR, a key ally. That was what finally broke up the pact. Hitler did what the West could not do.

    Stalin didn’t trust UK nor US and rejected intelligence reports that Germany was up to no good. He knew something about Anglo-Jewish deviousness. But UK’s cry about wolf turned out to be true. Hitler was a mad dog.

    “and that is different from the lies told to get Americans to go fight WWI how?”

    Of course, Germany was the main aggressor. The West forgave him for Austria, Sudetenland, and Czechoslovakia. But then, Hitler had to move into Poland too.
    Hitler’s attack on Russia is ultimate proof that he didn’t know when to stop. He was a mad visionary who dreamed of 1000 yr Reich. His early successes convinced him of his genius. He felt he could do no wrong, that destiny was on his side.

    “Germany was fighting a demon who had genocided millions of Ukrainian farmers, and now this! Stalin’s fiends had rounded up the entire Polish intelligentsia and leadership and clergy and military officers and executed them all like so many dogs at the edge of a ditch.”

    Germany was fighting a demon not to liberate Russia but to do even more murder and oppression in the Soviet Union. Stalin was a killer but he didn’t deny the humanity of those he killed. He didn’t see them as racially inferior or subhuman. He was cold and ruthless in dealing with ‘enemies’.
    Hitler had a grand theory of who should rule, who should die or be enslaved forever.
    His vision of USSR was far darker. After Stalin died and Soviet excesses subsided, the USSR was a decent place for most people, and everyone lived as a human being.
    Had Nazis won, Slavs in the Soviet areas would have been turned into slaves forever.

    Hitler didn’t attack the USSR because he was outraged by Stalin’s ill-treatment of Slavs. He feared that despite Stain’s brutality, Stalin was turning Slavs into a great power. He wanted Slavs to be defeated and powerless, as permanent slaves or helots to the superior ‘aryans’.
    Just because one side attacks a bad regime doesn’t make it a good regime. A bad regime can attack a bad regime. Hitler’s vision of Russia was evil beyond imagining. He spoke of razing Moscow to the ground until there was nothing left. He spoke of killing tens of millions of Slavs to make room for German farmers.
    Stalin’s atrocities were inexcusable, but Hitler turned out to be a far worse menace once the war began. There was good stuff in National Socialism but ONLY WHEN restricted to Germany. National Socialism made for bad ‘internationalism’ via ‘aryan imperialism’.

    It’s true that US foreign policy is gangster politics, but then foreign policy is such in ALL nations. It’s machiavellian trickery and deception and etc.
    But Hitler was the main mad dog in WWII.

    Today, the main mad dogs are crazy Zionists who’ve done so much damage since end of Cold War.

    • 回复: @Rurik
  220. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @geokat62

    I didn’t say he was a saint. He lived in difficult times. Turks did horrible things, but so did everyone else.

    Also, Kurds played a big role in the Armenian ‘genocide’.

    Now, I sympathize with Kurds too cuz they got a raw deal from all the great powers that denied them a land of their own.

    But the thing is it was impossible to be ‘good’ in the creation of modern Turkey. Empire had fallen apart, the nation was in danger of breaking up, it was surrounded by Russia from above, European imperialists from below who’d grabbed Middle East.

    We have to compare Ataturk with other modern figures caught in similarly tough circumstances. And he comes off better than most.

    Just think. Wouldn’t it have been better if Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and etc had all been more like Ataturk?

    • 回复: @geokat62
  221. syonredux 说:
    @Wally

    ’43, ’44 doesn’t matter, my same response to you.

    Fascinating. So you believe that the ’44 Warsaw Revolt was Jewish…..

    Where’s your proof for your “100,000″?

    Where’s your proof that the Nazis invaded Poland? Maybe it was all faked. We’re through the looking glass, dear fellow.

    So then, why are you distancing yourself the alleged & impossible ‘Nazi gas chambers’?

    Dear fellow, I already know what you think about that. I’m more interested in what you think about other stuff. I’m trying to have some fun here. Get a few chuckles.You know, anything to stave off ennui.

    Some Soviet POWs died to be sure, a mere pittance compared to German POWs who died at the hands of the murderous Allies.

    Now we’re getting somewhere interesting.As near as I can tell, you don’t think that the Nazis committed any atrocities. Right? But you do believe every atrocity story involving the Allies.That being the case, what about the Soviet massacre of 21,892 Poles at Katyn in 1940?Do you believe that the Soviets did it? I mean, I know lots and lots of Stalinists who think that the Nazis faked it and that the Capitalist West just went along as a way to smear the USSR.Where does a fellow like yourself stand? Do you believe what Zionist historians say (that the Soviets did it)? Or do you believe what Stalinists say (that the Nazis did it and it’s an anti-Russian smear)?

    I also notice you ignore my references to Polish atrocities against Germans PRIOR to the NSDAP rise to power.

    Why wouldn’t the Germans fake anti-German atrocities in the 1920s, dear fellow? Continuity of anti-Polish prejudice. Surely a fellow like yourself doubts everything…..

    And the claimed manner of death (impossible gas chambers) for Soviet POWs is utterly absurd,

    Dunno, dear fellow. All the stuff that I’ve read says that the Nazis just starved most of the Soviet POWs to death. Plus some shootings here and there.

  222. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    She’s my ex-girlfriend from 15 years ago. I’m married to another woman entirely. Hardly convenient to get your question answered for you.

    So if you knew her 15 years ago, how was she suddenly able to give you two words for Jew in Georgian? Remembering the the sounds MAY be possible for a language genius, but the spelling as well?

    Methinks something smells in Denmark!

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  223. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    <That picture is now almost universally acknowledged to be a fake.>

    By Jewish experts???

  224. syonredux 说:
    @The most deplorable one

    Reprisals are a standard part of war and the destruction of Warsaw can be considered a reprisal.

    Temujin had a simple policy which the Nazis also seemed to apply.

    Dunno. Saying that the destruction of Warsaw is justified because Genghis Khan committed similar massacres is…..unusual, to say the least. Most people tend not to look to the Mongols as moral exemplars….well, unless you’re Jack Weatherford….

  225. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Do you find it at all strange that a Polish newspaper would have a German title?

    Do you find it strange that Prussia in now in Poland?

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  226. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    In terms of Jewish proportion, the Bolsheviks were below average.

    Putin has stated that over 80% of the Bolshevik leadership were Jews. Churchill has stated that the majority of Bolsheviks were Jews and that they further had a tendency to work in the “terror” part of the Bolshevik organization.

    http://library.flawlesslogic.com/ish.htm

    Read the part under the “Terrorist Jews” heading, further Churchill was unaware that lenin was at a minimum a partial Jew by blood. A fact hidden for over 50 years by the Ahem! Bolshevik Jews.

  227. syonredux 说:
    @Anon

    The US as a result of Pearl Harbor declares war on Japan, and Germany by their treaty with Japan is forced to declare war on the US.

    On the other hand, Japan didn’t declare war against the UK in 1939. Or against the USSR in 1941.
    Hence, Hitler could have simply imitated the Japanese and not declared war against the USA after Pear Harbor.

    Frankly, I’ve never seen a really good explanation for why Hitler unilaterally declared war on the USA in ’41.

    • 回复: @Anon
  228. @Anon

    There was nothing “sudden” about it. Someone (you) alleged something wrong about the Georgian language, and I corrected it, based on information I learned 15 years ago. Spelling is irrelevant because Georgian uses its own alphabet.

    • 回复: @Anon
  229. @Anon

    Not particularly, given that the explanations are well known. OTOH, it seems that “BobbyBeGood” is alleging that anti-German statements appeared in a Polish newspaper that had a German title — in 1930. Anyone who knows anything about interwar Poland would know that the only community that used German in printed form was the German-speaking minority, and they were very pro-German and thus not likely to be urging for war against Poland.

    I suspect BBG is talking out of his posterior. I don’t think he’s ever seen this newspaper article.

    • 回复: @Anon
  230. Rurik 说:
    @Priss Factor

    It was well understood in the West that Hitler was the main instigator leading the events.

    yes, the newspapers made that very clear. Especially the NYT.

    From Stalin’s point of view, the West was trying to use Hitler against Russia

    who do you think funded Lenin and Trotsky? Who was it that had just crushed Germany’s nuts at Versailles and pimped out Germany’s youth? Who was it that was apoplectic over Hitler’s rise to power? Churchill and FDR, that’s who.

    so that Hitler would direct his ire at the West.

    Hitler never had any antipathy for the West. That’s why he let the British army go at Dunkirk. Hitler’s enemy was always the Bolsheviks, whom he rightly considered genocidal fiends.

    Anyway, when Germany first invaded Poland

    most of it land which was German before the abomination of the Treaty of Versailles filled with German people.

    the West decided Germany was the Main Threat.

    Germany was zero threat to the West, and the West knew it. But he was a threat to the system of International Banking and debt-based economies. Just like Gadhafi was until recently.

    Stalin was a killer but he didn’t deny the humanity of those he killed

    哇男孩

    I agree with a lot of the stuff about Hitler being too arrogant and delusional, but in hindsight, I consider Stalin far worse, and the genocidal intentions of World Jewry towards Germany as the main instigator of that war. Much like they hate Putin today. Before Putin, they owned Russia fee simple. Just like before Hitler, Germany was their oyster, and they treated Weimar Germany as their own private little brothel of endless numbers of pretty little blonde girls and boys to play with. Hitler ruined all that fun for them, and they hated him for it. Just like Putin ruined their fun in Russia, and they hate him for it. And just like they used Poland as their chump to dupe Hitler into war, they’re using Turkey and Ukraine today to get at Putin.

    • 回复: @Marcus
    , @Priss Factor
  231. syonredux 说:
    @5371

    Japan had got its fingers burned in Mongolia in the summer of 1939. In any case they knew they could not decide the issue of a German-Soviet war, and there would always be time enough to benefit if Germany won it.

    Dunno. Japanese policy in the ’30s-’40s was just so damn irrational. For example, they knew that they couldn’t defeat the USA ( cf Yamamoto’s famous quote: “I can run wild for six months … after that, I have no expectation of success”) but they attacked anyway…

    • 回复: @5371
    , @Priss Factor
    , @Anon
  232. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @syonredux

    On the other hand, Japan didn’t declare war against the UK in 1939. Or against the USSR in 1941.

    Defensive alliances are like that. If you get attacked your allies are supposed to help you out, but if you attack first it is another story. The Soviets for instance declared war on Japan in 1945, taking over Manchuria to provide a base for the Chinese Communists, who also pretty much stayed away from the war, as the Nationalist Chinese bled themselves white fighting the Japanese.

    Now if you really want to sink your teeth into something juicy, ask yourself why did Eisenhower (a Jew) stop the US/UK advance against Germany allowing the Soviets (controlled by Jews) to take over much more of Western Europe then they would have if Eisenhower had simply continued his advance.

    • 回复: @syonredux
    , @Thirdeye
  233. 5371 说:
    @syonredux

    In a world war, they knew they would lose their empire even as neutrals. So they decided at least to fight for it.

    • 回复: @syonredux
  234. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    There was nothing “sudden” about it. Someone (you) alleged something wrong about the Georgian language, and I corrected it, based on information I learned 15 years ago. Spelling is irrelevant because Georgian uses its own alphabet.

    You claimed that my claim that Judah sounds like Dzhuga is in error. So from your wealth of knowledge, please advise how Judah is spelled and pronounced in Georgian.

    If you don’t know how Judah is pronounced or spelled in Georgian then how do you know my claim is wrong?

    Again my point is that Stalin’s birth last name was Dzhugashvili which can be parsed to Dzhuga-shivili which translates to Judah – son of. Literally “son of Judah”. Judah was the original Jew of the Bible.

    Again say Dzhuga and then say Judah. The pronunciation is pretty darn close isn’t it?

    • 回复: @Marcus
  235. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Anyone who knows anything about interwar Poland would know that the only community that used German in printed form was the German-speaking minority,

    Anyone who knows anything about the pre war situation knows that one of Hitlers complaints against Jews is that they controlled the newspapers. Sounds similar to right about now. I mean Murdock who controls FOX used to be in the Mossad, and for all I know may still be.

    Also anyone that knows anything about Jews knows that Yiddish is bastardized German.

    Also anyone who knows some German history knows that the Jews spearheaded a German revolt around 1850, got defeated and were forced to move east to Poland and Russia. It’s also a fact that many of those defeated military leaders came to the US afterwards and ended up fighting for the North in the American Civil War.

  236. Marcus 说:
    @Rurik

    Versailles was not crushing compared to what Germany would have imposed on France if it had won WW1 and what it did impose on Russia at Brest-Litovsk. The notion that Hitler let the Allies evacuate Dunkirk out of goodwill is absurd: German units were stretched thin and exhausted from the main thrust through central France, there was simply no way they could’ve raced the Allies to the Channel at that time.

    • 回复: @Rurik
  237. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @syonredux

    They misread American psychology.

    Japan figured Americans wouldn’t take it too hard since there had been no attempt to conquer, let alone defeat, the US.
    Japan was just trying to neutralize US naval power in the Pacific so that Japan could have a free hand in Asia. Japan had no idea how much the attack would lead to racial antipathy and fire up rage among Americans. America did see it as a race war and fought it as such.
    Japan probably thought, ‘we sunk a few ships, so if worst comes to worse, US will sink a lot of our ships.’ Tit for tat. Japan didn’t foresee that American anger would lead to firebombing of entire cities and even two nukes, weapons that didn’t exist in 1941.

    Of course, US also misread psychologies of other nations in its foreign ventures. But thankfully, US never attacked a nation that could fight back and destroy & conquer the US.
    US was wrong about the psychology of Chinese in Korean War, psychology of North Vietnam, psychology of Iraqi reaction to US invasion, and etc. US was wrong about how the Afghan venture in the 80s would lead to huge problems down the line. US was also wrong about how things would turn out in Libya. But thankfully, none of those huge mess-ups threatened US homeland being defeated in war.

    So, Japanese misreading of American psychology was rather routine. It happens all the time. But the real stupidity was igniting a war with a nation with the power to crush Japan.

    US could make huge mistakes in foreign ventures but still remain safe from weaker nations. I mean Iraqis may hate American guts, and 1000s of Americans did die in Iraq, but there is no way Iraq can invade the US.

    The real fatal miscalculation of the US was in domestic racial affairs and immigration policy. As a rich powerful people, white Americans figured that race problems could be solved by being nice to Negroes. They underestimated Negro nuttiness. Also, white Americans, especially of GOP, thought massive immigration could be absorbed. But it is destroying white America(except for the urban elites who benefit from it).

    And Europe’s biggest miscalculation is turning out to be the Cult of Diversity. WWI, WWII, and communism failed to destroy Europe despite millions of deaths. But the current waves of immigration is a Europe-buster. Europeans have lost their minds, and they’ve misread the minds of globalist Jews who really mean harm to white folks. And white people have misread the intents of black Africans and Muslims arriving en masse.

    So, when people get nutty, the crazy logic takes on a life of its own.

  238. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @syonredux

    For example, they knew that they couldn’t defeat the USA

    Japan had no choice. FDR had placed embargoes on key raw materials and Japan was facing economic collapse.

    the Japanese had 2 choices, watch Japan crash and burn with 100% certainty, or hope to get a better situation through war.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
    , @syonredux
  239. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Rurik

    Hitler was a much better ruler on the national scale. Better to be a German under Hitler than a Slav under Stalin. Also, there were some places where German imperialism was more humane than Soviet imperialism. Nazis were pretty okay and decent to Frenchmen(non-Jewish ones) and certain Europeans.

    But due to Hitler’s racial theory and his grand scheme for Russia as lebensraum, his plan for Russia would have been the horror of horrors, even eclipsing the Holocaust in total brutality and inhumanity.

    Stalin was a mass killer, but he did try to build up the peoples of the USSR into strong proud Soviet men and women. He used people like slaves, but his ultimate goal was to create a land of sturdy proud workers.

    Hitler’s plan for Slavs of Russia was death or slavery.
    That makes Hitler worse.

    Had Hitler died in 1939, he would have gone down as a great leader and statesman. His war record makes him the man of horrors.

    • 回复: @Rurik
  240. Marcus 说:
    @Anon

    No it isn’t, “J” in Judah is only “hard” in English (though it still wouldn’t be pronounced like the Georgian -Dzhu), in Hebrew Judah is pronounced Yehudah. God Stormfags make movie neo-Nazis look brilliant.

    • 回复: @Anon
  241. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Anon

    The embargo was not permanent. US conditions were that the embargo would be ended IF Japan moved out of China. But the conditions allowed Japan to remain in Manchuria, Korea, and Taiwan. Japan should have taken the deal.

    • 回复: @Anon
  242. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    ‘Nazi gassings’ further debunked

    美国大屠杀纪念馆博物馆展示标准的德国防空洞门,称其为Majdanek毒气室的门
    see text etc. here:
    http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DT/gcturen.html
    http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DT/gcturen_files/doorcasting.jpg
    和:
    http://codoh.com/library/document/3276
    Gas Van 电影和照片欺诈
    德国新闻杂志和西蒙维森塔尔中心的博物馆发现伪造的照片和电影字幕

    圣地亚哥·阿尔瓦雷斯

    I have you again. Hurts don’t it.

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  243. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    I also note you dodged this from the 1922 Encyclopaedia Britannica:

    在波兰的压力下,南部和东部地区的德国人受到压迫性待遇。 19年1920月1921日,波兰人的力量确实足够强大,试图用武力占领该国。 在波兰的各个方面,主要是从波兰国会招募的人,都在篡夺权威。 许多德国人被强行带过边境进入波兰,许多人被杀。 经过数周的时间,才有可能平息这一上升和恢复秩序……协约国曾建议,德意志帝国的非居民上西里西亚人应在科隆西里西亚之外投票。 德国对此表示抗议,协约国承认她的抗议是有效的。 20年1921月,全民公决的日期定为XNUMX年XNUMX月XNUMX日。
    波兰人利用恐怖主义立即复兴,特别是在里布尼克,普莱斯,卡托维兹和贝登地区。 在全民投票之前的几天,它达到了高潮。 来自德国帝国其他地区的选民经常被拒绝参加民意调查。 有时他们受到虐待,甚至在某些情况下被谋杀; 选民们住的房屋被烧毁……在全民公决后的第二天,波兰的暴行重新开始,从那以后一直持续不间断……实际上,所有城镇都投票支持德国……XNUMX月初见证了新的波兰起义。比前一个比例要大得多。 Korfanty秘密地筹集了一支井井有条的波兰部队,该部队从边境提供武器和弹药,并得到来自波兰的大批士兵的加固。
    到20月XNUMX日,英军再次占领了较大的城镇,而波兰人则在农村地区占了上风。 由于难以支付他的士兵和向他们提供食物,科凡蒂现在失去了对他的追随者的控制。 成立了独立的乐队,掠夺了村庄,虐待了德国人,并杀死了其中许多人。”

    – 1922年《大不列颠百科全书》,“ SILESIA,UPPER”

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  244. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Marcus

    <>

    Not relevant how Judah is pronounced in Hebrew. We are comparing English and Georgian – Judah versus Dzhuda. Unless you can provide a “phonetic” reproduction of how Georgians pronounce the name of Judah, the original Jew of the Bible, the all your objections are null and void.

    I say Dzhuga (spelled phonetically) sounds like Judah. If you want to say that is not how Geargians pronounce Judah that’s OK, but it means exactly JACK, because you are basically stating “You are wrong” but have JACK in evidence to back your position.

    BTW: JACK is a variation of John – both refer to toilets or shitholes ( the jakes and the john)

    Jughashvili or Dzhugashvili is the “phonetic” reproduction in the English language of how Stalin’s original birth last name was pronounced. Dzhuga sure sounds like Judah to me.

    Does it sound similar to you?

    To support my position I point out that

    At least 80% (per Putin) of the original Bolshevik leadership were Jews. Barring further evidence the odds of Stalin being Jewish is over 80%. Per Churchill the majority of that group were Jews, so barring other evidence, the odds are that Stalin was a Jew. The fact that he recognized Israel only 3 days after it declared independence again points to him being a Jew. The fact that he created a Jewish Autonomous Region (Oblast) while killing off the Christian Orthodox priesthood and burning down Churches, surely indicates he was partial to Jews and not partial to Christians. The fact that he appointed Jews to run Western Europe after WW2 again points to being partial to Jews. All of these statements are EASILY verifiable.

    For the moment lets ignore statements the he had a genetic defect common to Jews, that he had 3 Jewish wives, that he spoke Yiddish and regularly went to see Yiddish plays, and also statements by White Russians that he was Jewish. His feared right hand man Berria also had a Jewish last name. Berry in English.

    • 回复: @Marcus
    , @5371
  245. @Wally

    Dear Captain Cut-and-Paste,

    You’re still not making your own arguments. In this case, your effort is laughable, for a couple of reasons but the most important is this: are you actually suggesting that it was all well and good for Germany to invade Poland a full 18 years after the reported unrest in this encyclopedia article?

    If you want to be taken seriously, you’re going to have to try much, much harder

    • 回复: @Wally
  246. @Wally

    主席先生,

    A list of links to two neo-Nazi Web sites is not an argument for or against anything, other than neo-Nazism.

    If you think you’ve proven anything, please be aware it is only your own ignorance.

    • 回复: @Wally
  247. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Priss Factor

    The embargo was not permanent. US conditions were that the embargo would be ended IF Japan moved out of China.

    Japan was facing imminent economic collapse, and even if it had agreed to negotiate with the US there is no timetable for completion of negotiations. FDR more then likely would have dragged them out for years as Japan collapsed. Nothing in FDR’s proposal guaranteed access to oil and other resources for Japan. That the embargo would not continue “by other means” was not guaranteed.

    But the conditions allowed Japan to remain in Manchuria, Korea, and Taiwan.

    Th actual proposal requires Japan to get out China. Manchuria is part of China. The word Manchuria does not appear on the document. Taiwan is also not mentioned and was part of China when it was taken over by the Japanese. So the conditions of whether Taiwan and Manchuria could stay under Japanese control are unclear. This uncertainty gave FDR reasons to drag out negotiations and put further pressure on Japan to go to war.

    http://www.rationalrevolution.net/war/fdr_provoked_the_japanese_attack.htm

    The Government of Japan will withdraw all military, naval, air and police forces from China and from Indochina.

    Japan should have taken the deal.

    The purpose of the proposal was to give terms so insulting that Japan had no choice but to go war.

    http://www.rationalrevolution.net/war/fdr_provoked_the_japanese_attack.htm

    In 1944 British Cabinet Minister Sir Oliver Lyttelton noted that: “Japan was provoked into attacking the Americans at Pearl Harbor. It is a travesty on history ever to say that America was forced into the war. Everyone knows where American sympathies were. It is incorrect to say that America was ever truly neutral even before America came into the war on a fighting basis.”

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  248. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    And now you resort to the usual name calling.

    “所有的真理经过三个阶段。 首先,它是可笑的。 第二,它被强烈反对。 第三,它被认为是不言而喻的。”。
    — 阿瑟·叔本华

    Your fear of debate here is obvious.

    Another thread for you to weep over:
    “要问的1%太多了吗?”
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10206

    I have you yet again.

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  249. Wally [又名“ BobbyBeGood”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    You are just too slow.

    The atrocities against Germans did not stop until the Germans put an end to it & took their land back. Germany had every right to invade, after many attempts to avoid it.

    ‘Polish Atrocities against Germans before 1. September 1939’
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7525

    I also see you’re taking a beating on your ‘Georgian’ thing.

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  250. geokat62 说:
    @Priss Factor

    I didn’t say he was a saint. He lived in difficult times. Turks did horrible things, but so did everyone else.

    You used this same line of reasoning the last time around. This was my response then and my response now:

    You have a lot in common with Linh Dinh on this issue. Here’s a previous exchange I had with him:

    这也是我在该主题上的最后一篇文章。

    Dinh 先生,鉴于您不愿支持他们 2007 年的决议,我的感觉是 IAGS 在撰写有关亚美尼亚种族灭绝否认者的文章时考虑到了您这样的人,这同样适用于否认他们 2007 年决议的人:

    “We note that there may be differing interpretations of 形成一种 and 为什么 the Armenian Genocide happened, but to deny its factual and moral 现实 as genocide is not to engage in scholarship but in propaganda and efforts to absolve the perpetrator, blame the victims, and erase the ethical meaning of this history.”

    In addition to the above, I would add the following:

    Greeks and Armenians in Australia are reacting to the erection of a monument in honor of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk in Sydney‘s Hyde Park. Several Greek Diaspora, Pontic and Armenian organizations expressed their disagreement with the monument in a written statement addressed to Sydney officials and news agencies.

    “Kemal Ataturk was responsible for the mass-murder and forced death marches of ethnic minorities living in Turkey as well as those Turkish citizens who opposed his dictatorship during the early 20th century. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk and his supporters known as ‘Kemalists’ carried out a wave of barbaric violence against minorities living in Turkey,” wrote the Armenian Youth Federation of Australia, in a letter of protest addressed to NSW State Government MP Victor Dominello. The federation also invited the supporters of their cause to sign a petition for the monument’s withdrawal, which was unveiled on February 19, as part of the centennial Gallipoli landing anniversary.

    - 查看更多: http://au.greekreporter.com/2015/03/26/greek-and-armenians-protest-against-kemal-ataturk-monument-in-sydney/#.dpuf

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  251. @Wally

    As I said, a link to a Nazi website is as good as worthless.

    想再试一次?

  252. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @geokat62

    They all did the same thing. All sides committed horrible atrocities.

    Remember that scene in Lawrence of Arabia? No prisoners?

    Look at US in WWII. Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Dresden. Horrible atrocities carried out by Soviet troops.

    War is hell. It was a bad period, and all sides ended up with bloody hands.

    In war, all hell breaks loose.

    But after the dust settled, Ataturk wanted peace and mostly got it for his nation.

    • 回复: @geokat62
  253. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Anon

    不你错了。

    FDR specifically mentioned that Japan had to move out of China BUT Japan could remain in Manchuria, Korea, and Taiwan.

    Also, US had no obligation to be selling oil to a nation gone nuts. Japan had gone nuts.

    US would have aided in the invasion and destruction of China had it continued to sell oil to Japan got bonkers.

    • 回复: @Anon
  254. Marcus 说:
    @Anon

    I feel like I’m trying to reason with a toddler, but WTH I’ll stoop to your level. Yes the original (Hebrew) pronunciation of Judah is a whole lot more relevant than the English, since it’s highly unlikely that the name entered Georgian from freaking English. Btw Stalin attended an Orthodox theological seminary as a young adult, something I doubt Jewish parents would send their son too, and he switched Soviet support to the Arabs not long after Nasser’s coup, launching an “anti-Zionist” campaign against “rootless cosmopolitans” that most consider antisemitic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sl%C3%A1nsk%C3%BD_trial
    “His feared right hand man Berria also had a Jewish last name. Berry in English.”
    Bwahahaha this made my day thanks

    • 回复: @Anon
    , @Marcus
  255. Rurik 说:
    @Marcus

    Versailles was not crushing compared to what Germany would have imposed on France if it had won WW1

    Germany was the one who wanted peace, and for everyone to return to where they were before the madness (that Germany was dragged into) started. Instead Germany was betrayed after they disarmed and starved into signing the Versailles abomination by treacherous and ignoble scoundrels.

    The notion that Hitler let the Allies evacuate Dunkirk out of goodwill is absurd: German units were stretched thin and exhausted from the main thrust through central France, there was simply no way they could’ve raced the Allies to the Channel at that time.

    你错了

    this from the BBC

    On 24 May, just as Guderian was expecting to drive into Dunkirk, Hitler gave the surprise order to withdraw back to the canal line. Why the order was given has never been explained fully.

    One possible explanation is that Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring, head of the Luftwaffe, assured Hitler that his aircraft alone could destroy the Allied troops trapped on the beaches at Dunkirk. Others believe Hitler felt that Britain might accept peace terms more readily without a humiliating surrender. Whatever the reason, the German halt gave the Allies an unexpected opportunity to evacuate their troops.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/ff2_dunkirk.shtml

    • 回复: @Marcus
  256. Thirdeye 说:
    @Rurik

    The Holodomor wasn’t genocide. It was a famine that extended from the Ukraine through the Kuban to Kazakhstan in 1933-34. Ukrainian nationalist propagandists made up ridiculous numbers of deaths and pretended that it was deliberate starvation of Ukrainians. Their made-up numbers were taken as gospel by American Cold War propagandists. Read the following link to get an idea of what real, and objective, demographers had to say about excess deaths during the period from 1926-1939.

    http://www.campin.me.uk/Politics/purging-stalin.txt

    I also suggest you look up the numbers on livestock and foodstuffs destroyed by peasants who were resisting the food distribution system. It seems that might have something to do with mass starvation.

    Aren’t you the Nazi apologist who grasps at fantastic, inflated numbers of peacetime deaths under Stalin in order to minimize the genocide and war crimes of the Nazis?

    • 回复: @ion
  257. Rurik 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Hitler’s plan for Slavs of Russia was death or slavery.
    That makes Hitler worse.

    no, because Stalin’s plan for Germany was even worse than death or slavery

    Stalin’s Red Army raped and tortured people to death with a cruelty that shocks even the most hardened cynic. They made even the Nazis look like boy scouts by comparison.

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/04/28/raping-german-women-and-children-as-a-form-of-revenge-after-wwii-part-i/

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  258. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Priss Factor

    FDR specifically mentioned that Japan had to move out of China BUT Japan could remain in Manchuria, Korea, and Taiwan.

    The “written” language on FDR’s proposal to China makes no mention of either Manchuria or Taiwan. It just states that Japan has to get of China. As for “verbal” assurances the Russians found out what they were when the US “assured” then that NATO would not be expanded into Eastern Europe

    As for the oil situation, The US was not selling Japan oil and Japan was facing economic collapse. Either Japan “guarantees” that it would sell oil to Japan or Japan has to go to war to get it. No such assurances are on FDR’s proposal

    I provided you with a link to the proposal, follow the link, look up the proposal and show me any language that proves I am wrong.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  259. The most deplorable one [又名“启示录的第四位门卫”] 说:
    @Wally

    Here is the second one from the NY Times:

    http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=980ce6df113eef33a25756c1a9659c94679ed7cf

    I wonder how many more I will find.

    • 回复: @The most deplorable one
  260. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Marcus

    I feel like I’m trying to reason with a toddler, but WTH I’ll stoop to your level. Yes the original (Hebrew) pronunciation of Judah is a whole lot more relevant than the English, since it’s highly unlikely that the name entered Georgian from freaking English. Btw Stalin attended an Orthodox theological seminary as a young adult, something I doubt Jewish parents would send their son too, and he switched Soviet support to the Arabs not long after Nasser’s coup, launching an “anti-Zionist” campaign against “rootless cosmopolitans” that most consider antisemitic

    How about the alternate spelling of Dzhugashivili which is Jughashivili

    Does Jugha sound like Judah? Just say them both and let me know.

    Again without knowing how Judah is pronounced in Georgian you point means Jack, since Judah made it to modern day English with that sound, so why should not it make it Georgian with a similar sound? Is the modern day pronunciation of Judah THAT wildly different?

    Can you explain any of other items I pointed out? How about the reason Stalin recognized Israel in only 3 days?

    “His feared right hand man Berria also had a Jewish last name. Berry in English.”
    Bwahahaha this made my day thanks

    http://www.millennialstar.org/part-x-sephardic-jews-and-the-lds-connection-sephardic-names-and-what-to-look-for/

    BERRY- is a Sephardic family surname

    Sephardic Jews were originally expelled from Spain

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  261. The most deplorable one [又名“启示录的第四位门卫”] 说:
    @The most deplorable one

    And here, perhaps, we find the origin of the 6 Million obsession:

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0ba_1430022407

  262. Anon • 免责声明 说:

    Interesting variation on the Holocaust. It wasn’t the Germans that killed so many Jews in Poland, it was the Poles.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/polish-prosecutor-questions-scholar-over-holocaust-remarks

    In the most controversial section, Gross wrote: “Consider the Poles, who, deservedly proud of their society’s anti-Nazi resistance, actually killed more Jews than Germans during the war.”

    Jacek Leociak, a historian with the Polish Center for Holocaust Research, said … “The claim that Poles killed more Jews than Germans could be really right – and this is shocking news for the traditional thinking about Polish heroism during the war,”

    • 回复: @utu
  263. 5371 说:
    @Anon

    You are maintaining a Rehmatesque level of accuracy. Beria derives from the word for “priest”, it’s a very common surname like Popov or Parsons. Perhaps you misunderstood a source which actually stated correctly that Yagoda means “berry”.

    • 回复: @Anon
  264. geokat62 说:
    @Priss Factor

    In war, all hell breaks loose.

    While this may be true, are you suggesting that this gives any of the parties the right to commit genocide – especially the deliberate killing of unarmed women and children through death marches – during war?

    My point is simply this: anyone who is guilty of committing these kinds of atrocities is immediately disqualified from being called “a great man.”

  265. empty 说:
    @Philip Owen

    Is “Small is beautiful” neo fascist? I don’t know.

    Hitler’s rant in “Table Talk” ( p.655 – )

    Rosenberg wishes to raise the cultural level of the local inhabitants by encouraging their penchant for wood-carving. I disagree. I would like Rosenberg to see what sort of trash is sold in my own countryside to pilgrims! And it’s no good saying: “What rubbish !” Saxon industries must also live. I once knew a Saxon woman who sold printed handkerchiefs. In each corner was the picture of a famous man—Hindenburg in one corner,Ludendorff in another, myself in a third, and in the fourth—her own husband !

    Every time I visit the Permanent Exhibition of German Crafts, I get angry. In the first place, the furniture exhibited is simply a bad joke; as is also the method of indicating the prices. One sees, for example, a label with RM 800 and one assumes, naturally, that it applies to the whole suite. One then finds that the bench, the picture and the curtain are not included ; and the last straw is that these trashy articles claim to represent a form of art styled popular—the art of our small independent crafts-men. In reality the public are not interested. When the man in the street pays twelve hundred marks for something, he expects value for his money, and he does not care a rap whether the nails have been driven in by machine or hand. Honestly, what do we mean when we say the work of a craftsman? Why buy
    furniture in plain unvarnished wood, when the furniture industry will give you beautiful furniture polished to perfection for the same money? In Stortz’ shop, for example, I have seen excellent furniture, which modest people would be delighted to possess. Arts and Crafts? Rubbish!

    • 回复: @The most deplorable one
  266. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @5371

    Beria derives from the word for “priest”

    The site I provided a link to, stated that Berry was a Sephardic Jew last name. Do you dispute that this is so? This is not conclusive by any means since, and as you say, Berry can be derived from something else. However when Beria was a student he joined the Bolsheviks. THAT is a thing many Jews did, but few others.

    Sephardics were Jews expelled from Spain. Some went to the Ottoman Empire (Turkey). The Ottoman also expelled Jews. One time I am aware of is when a Jewish rabbi (who had declared himself a prophet) and his followers, all outwardly converted to Islam in order to avoid expulsion. These crypto Jews later formed the Young Turk movement responsible for the Armenian genocide.

    Look up “Donmeh”

    Since Sephardic Jews also left the Ottoman Empire, either then or at other times, it does not stretch the imagination to say that some of these Jews went to next door Georgia.

    • 回复: @5371
  267. The most deplorable one [又名“启示录的第四位门卫”] 说:
    @geokat62

    While this may be true, are you suggesting that this gives any of the parties the right to commit genocide – especially the deliberate killing of unarmed women and children through death marches – during war?

    Ask the Cherokee. Oh, wait, that wasn’t a formally declared war.

    Also, ask the men aboard the Liberty.

  268. The most deplorable one [又名“启示录的第四位门卫”] 说:
    @Philip Owen

    Democracy is messy but it does self correct in a shorter time span than autocracy. Monarchy is not so bad when autocracy can be restrained.

    I bet you “fucking love science” too.

    This fabled democracy you are referring to has wrecked a number of countries recently. Libya delenda est!

    In addition, I see little chance of it self-correcting. Even change is strongly resisted by those in charge.

  269. The most deplorable one [又名“启示录的第四位门卫”] 说:
    @empty

    为什么要买
    furniture in plain unvarnished wood, when the furniture industry will give you beautiful furniture polished to perfection for the same money? In Stortz’ shop, for example, I have seen excellent furniture, which modest people would be delighted to possess. Arts and Crafts? Rubbish!

    The problem with this is that, over time, the industrialists want welfare.

    First, they ask that the poor be paid a modest stipend so that the poor can buy the high quality goods the industrialists manufacture.

    Eventually, they demand wars against other countries so that the new products they have developed can be purchased by the state and used against other people.

  270. utu 说:
    @Anon

    “The claim that Poles killed more Jews than [they killed] Germans”

    不能

    “The claim that Poles killed more Jews than Germans [did]”

    • 回复: @Anon
    , @Priss Factor
  271. 5371 说:
    @Anon

    You are a dimwit, and I know why you say things even when you have no idea why you say them yourself. The Welsh Berry family used to own the Daily Telegraph. They were not, of course, “Sephardi” Jews, any more than other Berrys, but you wouldn’t believe that.

    • 回复: @Anon
  272. @Anon

    In no language would a /d/ sound in the original word become a /gh/ sound as a loan word. Languages don’t work that way because the brain and mouth don’t work that way.

    The /d/ sound is pronounced toward the front of the mouth, whereas /gh/ is pronounced in the throat. If the adopting language has a /d/ sound, which Georgian does, then there is no reason for the sound to change in adoption.

    I.e., the Hebrew word for Jew is yehudi (more or less phonetically spelled). The word in Georgian is Iudeli. The only change in Georgian is the addition of -eli, which appears on other words denoting ethnicity, notably kartveli, which means Georgian (people).

    • 回复: @Anon
  273. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @utu

    I know, but the way it was worded was just so misleading.

    但是

    It still shows that the Poles seemed to be more into killing Jews then killing Germans. From the comments of that article one person stated it had to do with Jewish resistance groups burning villages and killing all the villages, men, women and children, and garnering hate from such acts.

  274. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @utu

    One thing for sure, Jewish communists sure killed lots of Slavs. Why doesn’t Gross talk about that?

  275. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    In no language would a /d/ sound in the original word become a /gh/ sound as a loan word. Languages don’t work that way because the brain and mouth don’t work that way.

    How many languages do you know? All of them? That seems HARD to believe.

    无论如何

    You still don’t get the point

    I am not saying that Jugha or Dzhuga or any similar “phonetically” spelled version means Jew. I am saying it refers to Judah, the original Jew.

    The person Judah is pronounced Judah in English. It is not much of a stretch to say that his name is similarly (allowing for variations due to different languages) pronounced in Georgian. I can with full confidence state that Judah is not pronounced Zhang in Georgian, nor is it pronounced Paveli, or Makoto, or Ahmed, or for that matter Mwamba. It is pronounced “similarly” to how Judah is pronounced in English.

    Does Jugha sound like Judah? say it! I know you can!

    Still waiting for any reason as to why Stalin recognized Israel 3 days after it declared independence aside from the obvious one. i.e. He was a Jew supporting fellow Jews.

    Anyway According to this site, a spelling error may be causing the confusion. Considering how often Stalin changed his name, it would not be a surprise that he changed the spelling of his name as well.

    http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1156

    Stalin’s name is spelled იოსებ ჯუღაშვილი in Georgian. The last part of his name means son of, so the first part MUST be a name.

    According to that site

    ჯუღა is not a name in Georgian, and does not appear in any Georgian dictionary. but

    the slightly different ჯუდა is the Georgian name corresponding to the English name Judah. The third letter is different, but looks similar.

    Per google translate in Georgian steel is spelled ფოლადი, which is nowhere near ჯუღა.

    so no Stalin was not named son of steel, he was named son of Judah.

  276. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @geokat62

    —-My point is simply this: anyone who is guilty of committing these kinds of atrocities is immediately disqualified from being called “a great man.”——

    These things happened when the other side were killing bushels of Turkish women and children. Ethnic cleansing was happening all around.

    Also, you can’t blame ONE MAN for these atrocities. Many were desperate acts in a general state of chaos.

    Ataturk was one of many involved in this bloody mess. Blame also goes to Greeks, Armenians, Russians, Kurds, and etc.

    A lot of ‘great men’ have blood on their hands. Using your rule, most ‘great men’ cannot be said to be great since they got blood on their hands.

    If you were Ataturk following WWI when Turkey was faced with national erasure and pushed from all sides, what would you have done? It was a game of survival, and all sides got nasty.

    You saw what happened between US and Japan in WWII. In war, things just get ugly.

    Now, once the war was over, did Ataturk work for more peace or for more war? He was not a war-monger. And he modernized Turkey and enforced many necessary reforms. When he had real full authority, he did a lot of good things.

    As for the bloodbaths after WWI, they would have happened with or without Ataturk.
    Ataturk wasn’t central to them like Hitler was central to the Holocaust or Stalin with the Famine or Mao with Great Leap Forward.

    • 回复: @geokat62
  277. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Anon

    Look, the offer was Japan could keep Manchuria, Korea, and Taiwan.

    But even if the demand had been for Japan to move out of all of China, Korea, and Taiwan, it would have been valid since Japan had no business ruling over other peoples.

    OF COURSE, it would have been hypocritical for US to make such demand since it was okay with Europeans ruling over parts of China and much of Southeast Asia.

    • 回复: @Anon
  278. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @5371

    I Never said that all people with a last name of Berry were Jewish, I said that berry is a Sephardic Jewish last name, and that many Sephardic Jews went to Turkey. Georgia is next door to Turkey.

    You are a dimwit, and I know why you say things even when you have no idea why you say them yourself. The Welsh Berry family used to own the Daily Telegraph. They were not, of course, “Sephardi” Jews, any more than other Berrys, but you wouldn’t believe that.

    It’s funny that you say that this particular family controlled a newspaper. That just so happens to be a popular Jewish pastime. Anyway why would you find it strange that Jews expelled from Spain went to Wales?

    Anyway see another list specifically dealing with Jewish last names common in England. Berry just happens to be included.

    http://conservativetendency.blogspot.com/2012/03/english-jewish-surnames-revisited.html

  279. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Rurik

    “Stalin’s Red Army raped and tortured people to death with a cruelty that shocks even the most hardened cynic. They made even the Nazis look like boy scouts by comparison.”

    Yes, there was an orgy of horrors that went for a yr or two. And Russians must remember this shameful history. But when the dust settled, Russians did allow Germans to survive as a nation and people. And Russians did embrace East Germans as fellow proles, workers, and comrades. Russians got revenge on Germans, but in the long run, regarded Germans as just as good as Russians. Russians didn’t see East Germans or any Germans as subhuman. Soviet rape and orgy was revenge gone out of control. But it wasn’t based on a policy of seeing Germans as less than human. Indeed, living standards were much higher in East Germany than in USSR for most of the Cold War. Of course, Jewish Soviets wanted more revenge on Germans, just like Jews like Morgenthau in FDR’s government wanted extreme harsh punishment for Germans. This was understandable given the Holocaust. But Soviet revenge eventually came to an end.

    Also, we have to see the horror in context of what Germany did to Russia. While Soviet rape and horror aren’t morally justifiable under any circumstances, we can understand the rage and thirst for revenge. Russia was devastated by German invasion and Germans carried out horrible atrocities on a population that was deemed subhuman and were slated for enslavement. Also, Soviet soldiers were tired, hungry, lost family members, brutalized, and suffered all sorts of hardships. So, when they were let loose in Germany to loot and rape, they acted barbaric, something we’ve seen in history so often. Look, if well-fed, well-educated, and well-trained US soldiers carried out Abu Grahib atrocities, is it any wonder that Soviet troops acted like crazed animals?

    Also, we need to do some comparisons. Did Soviets really act worse against Germany than US against Japan?

    Japan attacked the US navy on a tiny island and killed a few thousands. But that was reason enough for US to firebomb entire cities, nuke two cities(and would have nuked more if Japan didn’t surrender), and wipe out 1/3 of the people in Okinawa. US killed millions as revenge for few 1000s killed in Pearl Harbor.

    So, if killing few thousand Americans justifies that kind of retaliation, isn’t it at least understandable that Soviets would wreak vengeance on Germany after nearly 20 million Soviets had died in the struggle? In Leningrad alone, 100,000s died. And Stalingrad was reduced to total hell. Nearly every Russian family lost a son.

    Now, suppose Japan had done to US what Germany had done to USSR. Suppose Japanese had invaded 1/3 of America and killed millions and destroyed entire cities.
    Do you think US would have allowed Japan to even exist? I think if Japan had done that to the US, US would have wiped Japan off the map like Rome did to Carthage.

    But Germany was allowed to survive. Western part got it relatively easy. Eastern part lost territory and its people were brutalized by Soviets for few yrs. But Russians did eventually stop the horrors and regarded East Germans as fellow comrades and brothers. In that sense, Soviet communism was less evil than Nazism that intended to crush and enslave Russia Slavs forever.

    And in retrospect, it would have been better if USSR had taken ALL of Europe after WWII. At least Europe would have spared PC and globo-Jewish-Soros control that is urging mass migration and ‘diversity’ on Europe.

  280. Thirdeye 说:
    @Thomas O. Meehan

    ….Trotskyites got us into the Anti-Russian – anti-Arab business…

    You realize that the “Anti-Russian” business in the US started with intervention against the Russian Revolution, don’t you?

    • 回复: @Thomas O. Meehan
  281. geokat62 说:
    @Priss Factor

    If you were Ataturk following WWI when Turkey was faced with national erasure and pushed from all sides, what would you have done? It was a game of survival, and all sides got nasty.

    Explain to me how killing innocent women and children by way of death marches helped stave off national erasure?

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  282. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Look, the offer was Japan could keep Manchuria, Korea, and Taiwan.

    FDR’s proposal makes no mention of Manchuria, Korea, and Taiwan. It simply states Japan needs to get out of China before the embargoes are ended. To repeat FDR wanted to get in on the war in Europe. Germany was not going to declare war on the US so FDR had to find another way to get his wish. That way was to do anything and everything in his power to force Japan to declare war on the US.

    OF COURSE, it would have been hypocritical for US to make such demand since it was okay with Europeans ruling over parts of China and much of Southeast Asia.

    The US was part of the coalition that put down the Boxer rebellion which was about removing foreign influence from China, particularly the Opium trade. The US was running warships up and down Chinese rivers before WW2 in order to protect that trade.

    Compared to the damage done by Opium, the rape of Nanking (assuming it happened in the way historians say it did) was a pinch on the cheek.

  283. @Thirdeye

    We, the British, French, Japanese, Italians Greeks etc. all intervene when Lenin took Russia out of WW1. The initial motivation was preventing German capture of allied supplies in Murmansk. There were significant German forces in Finland at the time and they had to be countered. Securing rail lines and supporting loyal Russians against the Bolsheviks was also a motive.

    Sorry for a rather feeble attempt to prevent the Red savages from taking control and forming the USSR. What’s anti-Russian about keeping these savages from killing millions of Russians?

  284. tbraton 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    “All liberal and socialist political parties in pre-Revolutionary Russia had large Jewish contingents, which should hardly be surprising given their situation under the tsars. In terms of Jewish proportion, the Bolsheviks were below average.”

    What’s most interesting is that the percentage of the Russian population pre-WWI was about 4-5%. It’s sort of like the U.S. where Jews occupy 3 seats on the U.S. Supreme Court (33%) although Jews comprise about 2% of the U.S. population. And, of course, Obama has appointed Merrick Garland to replace Scalia, and, if he makes it, that will be four Jewish Justices on the Court (44.4%). Quite an achievement when you consider that there was not one Jew at the Constitutional Convention which produced the U.S. Constitution in 1776.

    • 回复: @Anon
  285. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @tbraton

    Quite an achievement

    Not so surprising when you consider that they bribed their way into the money creation from nothing business

    “Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes it’s laws” — Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

    Because with unlimited money you can buy your way into control of the press and impose thought control, and also buy your way into the halls of power, so you end up being the one making the law.

    Jefferson was right

    “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks…will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered…. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.” – Thomas Jefferson

    • 回复: @Anonymous
  286. Saker knows more about Russia than you do

    The Saker knows more about being gay than anybody, and yet that doesn’t make him the last word on that subject either.

    The reality is that Russia sucks and so does Putin. The performance of the Red Army in WW2 was beyond abysmal. The Germans handled them with no problem despite being outnumbered 2 to 1 and being under a blockade. Russia didn’t starve only because of America sending free food.

    Eventually the UK and the US, two countries that aren’t completely gay like Russia is, weakened the Germans enough that even the pathetic Red Army was able to overwhelm them by throwing 10s of millions of Central Asians, Poles, Romanians, Balts, Armenians, Turks, Georgians, Ukrainians and Jews at the German lines. Nothing to brag about. And yet the Russians do brag about it because they are a worthless people who have literally nothing else to be proud of.

    After their victory, the Red Army immediately set about committing mass rapes against German women, something that they have never apologized for. Now, for the record I support the war crimes committed against WW2 era Germans but that doesn’t make those who carried them out any less dishonorable.

    The Saker is a loser, so is Anatoly and so are the rest of you idiot Putin worshipping Russophiles. When is Putin going to do something to help the Palestinians?

  287. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @geokat62

    “Explain to me how killing innocent women and children by way of death marches helped stave off national erasure?”

    Your gumbic logic amazes me.

    In wartime, there are no innocents. Many Armenians were working with Russia to undermine Turkey. Now, Armenians, being Christian, had their legit reasons for doing so. I’m not saying they were bad people. But Armenians were working against Turkish nationhood, and there were Armenian atrocities against Turks too.

    It was bad stuff, and I’m not defending the killing of Armenians. But it was nothing special in history. When entire ethnic groups clash, the whole population is seen as the enemy.

    And keep in mind that what US and UK and USSR did to Ost-Germans after WWII wasn’t all that different. Many ‘innocent’ Germans died. But keep in mind that many of these ‘innocent’ Germans had worked with Nazis.

    • 回复: @geokat62
  288. syonredux 说:
    @Anon

    For example, they knew that they couldn’t defeat the USA

    Japan had no choice. FDR had placed embargoes on key raw materials and Japan was facing economic collapse.

    the Japanese had 2 choices, watch Japan crash and burn with 100% certainty, or hope to get a better situation through war.

    The odds of a Japanese defeat in a war with the USA were 100%

    So, as I said, attacking the USA made no sense.

  289. syonredux 说:
    @5371

    In a world war, they knew they would lose their empire even as neutrals. So they decided at least to fight for it.

    With zero possibility of success. As I said, there was a deep strain of irrationality in Japan during the ‘3os and ’40s.

  290. syonredux 说:
    @Anon

    Now if you really want to sink your teeth into something juicy, ask yourself why did Eisenhower (a Jew)

    Eisenhower wasn’t Jewish:

    http://ethnicelebs.com/dwight-d-eisenhower

    • 回复: @Anon
  291. geokat62 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Your gumbic logic amazes me.

    I didn’t realize moral reasoning is now considered to be “gumbic logic.” I guess “the end justifies the means” is the only “logic” you subscribe to, huh, Priss?

    While the Convention On The Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide was adopted by the UN after WW2, had Ataturk committed these acts of genocide just two decades later, he would have been hauled off to The Hague, just like Milosevic.

    I, therefore, stand by my previous statement: if someone is guilty of committing genocide, it immediately disqualifies them from being called “a great man.”

  292. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @syonredux

    The odds of a Japanese defeat in a war with the USA were 100%

    of

    and once FDR put his economic embargo into place the odds of an economic collapse were also 100%

    Does a military culture like pre-war Japan show it’s belly or does it fight? Answer is obvious.

    Once FDR put Japan into that position war was inevitable, just as FDR PLANNED!

  293. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Greasy William

    The reality is that Russia sucks and so does Putin.

    Russia did 10 times as much to stop ISIS as the US with only 1/10th the forces. Of course Russia isn’t actually backing ISIS like our “good friends” Turkey, Israel and the Saudis are.

    The performance of the Red Army in WW2 was beyond abysmal.

    Not surprising when all decisions were made by the Jewish political commissars after Stalin killed off all his generals.

    Besides, Non Jews are cattle to Jews. Human wave attacks only thin out the herd.

  294. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Greasy William

    Now, for the record I support the war crimes committed against WW2 era Germans

    You are one sick bastard.

    Do you know that up to 15 million Germans died after WW2 due to an Allied policy of forced starvation? Shades of the Ukraine! While Patton released all of his POW’s after WW2 ended, Eisenhower did not and hundreds of thousands died in his prison camps from starvation and exposure. Millions more died in Soviet camps (both prison camps and labor camps run by Jews). In Berlin practically every baby died in 1945/46 because mothers were starving and could not produce milk.

    The Soviets were holding German POW’s into the 1960’s when the last of them were killed off as there is no record of them being released.

    The Nazis allowed the Red Cross to send care packages, which included food, to Allied POW’s. Eisenhower did not. In fact it was a crime for A GERMAN CITIZEN TO GIVE FOOD TO A STARVING GERMAN POW.

    What may be the sickest part of the Holocaust scam is that many of the pictures purported to be Jews killed by Germans may actually be Germans killed by Jews.

    • 回复: @The most deplorable one
  295. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @syonredux

    “The odds of a Japanese defeat in a war with the USA were 100%
    So, as I said, attacking the USA made no sense.”

    That is IF US went all the way.

    Japan didn’t think US would go that far.

    Also, because Japan began the war as a naval war, it prolly thought US would fight it as such. A war for seas. Japan didn’t foresee US bombing the hell out of Japan itself and total defeat and invasion.

    After all, Japanese only attacked to neutralize the US navy. It had no plan to invade US or even take Hawaii.

    Japan didn’t think US would take it that far. US did.

    Japan gambled wrong. But suppose things had gone differently. Suppose USSR fell to Germany, and Germany, with all its new might, was willing to back Japan against the US.

    Would US have gone all the way against Japan? Maybe. Maybe not.

    Now, US could have every war if it had gone ALL THE WAY.

    US could have used nukes on China in Korean War.
    US could have defeated North Vietnam if it decided to fight like it did against Japan.
    But US didn’t go that far. So, the North Vietnamese gambled correctly.

    Of course, neither China nor North Vietnam attacked US itself, so US had no reason to fight ALL THE WAY.

    But US was attacked on 9/11, and US did decide to go ALL THE WAY. But I’m not sure US really won this time. If US leaves Afghanistan and if Taliban come back to power, it will be seen as ultimate defeat for the US.

  296. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Greasy William

    “The Saker knows more about being gay than anybody, and yet that doesn’t make him the last word on that subject either.”

    Saker is a fruitkin?

  297. The most deplorable one [又名“启示录的第四位门卫”] 说:
    @syonredux

    The odds of a Japanese defeat in a war with the USA were 100%

    In war the odds are never 100%

    So, as I said, attacking the USA made no sense.

    You know when you keep baiting a dangerous animal and they attack. That’s your fault, not theirs.

  298. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Anon

    Jefferson was right

    “If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks…will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered…. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.” – Thomas Jefferson

    there appears to be a vast right wing conspiracy, or a cottage industry that manufactures citations with no concerns of anachronisms … . one can be pretty certain that Thomas Jefferson didn’t use modern economic term like “deflation”

    • 回复: @Anon
  299. animalogic 说:
    @Thomas O. Meehan

    “Without Lenin, Hitler is much less likely.”
    I find this a questionable assertion. Yes, the reaction against the USSR was considerable, however the Nazi rise to power involved many other forces.
    In the final analysis, Hitler could always claim, “better us, than them”. But whether the German communist party could have ever gained power (outside of people’s paranoia) is contentious. This is not to under play the political force of FEAR in guiding political action

    • 回复: @Thomas O. Meehan
    , @Anon
  300. animalogic 说:
    @anonymous

    I agree with a lot of what you say. The idea of a Soviet communist “utopia” raises a number of issues.
    The USSR had to fight for its very existence basically from day one. Foreign invasions (however shortsighted and laughable) a vicious civil war (the Whites supported by the
    West), war with Poland, and so on… What chance did a civilised culture, let alone a “utopia” actually have ? Yes, the government of the USSR could have done a lot better, but in their circumstances…I wonder how much better….

  301. animalogic 说:
    @Priss Factor

    I almost hate to admit it, but I tend to agree with you on this question of “national character”. (“National character” type assertion are in danger of superficiality, glibbness, and exploitation as propaganda)
    From my (not extensive) reading of (largely 19th C) literature and history I believe Russian culture, especially it’s torpid social hierarchy (ie: a few nobles and a near “99%” of serfs, (or peasants after the reforms) plus a smallish middle class) rendered Russia unfavourable ground for rapid “live or die” industrializaion. I can’t convince myself that a parliamentary monarchy/democracy would have had the vigor, let alone the ruthlessness to have brought the USSR to the point where it could, with allied aid, defeated the Nazi’s.

  302. animalogic 说:
    @TheJester

    Little do I like Zionists etc, but the differing views between Stalin & Trotsky are not essentially related to “Jewishness”. Stalin’s view of “socialism in one nation” was opposed to the fundamental “trotskyist” view of “permanent revolution”. Trotsky had/has an important point: a socialist country has not only an obligation to workers internationally, but it’s very survival depends on
    it’s ability to negate the INTRINSIC hostility of capitalist countries. As history showed, “communist” countries had rarely a moment’s peace from capitalist interference and hostility. Internationalism is not only a theoretical principle for Socialism, it’s a life and death pragmatic one.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  303. @Anatoly Karlin

    I saw this quote on a wall in a Tajikistan Museum, but I never could establish its veracity. So I tend to think it is a fake – unless you can show a good source.

    • 回复: @Anatoly Karlin
  304. The most deplorable one [又名“启示录的第四位门卫”] 说:
    @Anon

    Do you know that up to 15 million Germans died after WW2 due to an Allied policy of forced starvation?

    你有引用吗?

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
    , @Anon
  305. The most deplorable one [又名“启示录的第四位门卫”] 说:
    @Thomas O. Meehan

    Without Lenin, Hitler is much less likely.

    This seems highly unlikely.

    It is more correct that: Without 凡尔赛 and its aftermath Hitler is much less likely.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
    , @tbraton
  306. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @The most deplorable one

    He means 15 million Ost-Germans were relocated after WWII.

    Some estimates say 2 million died. Others say 500,000 died.

  307. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @animalogic

    No, Trotsky’s internationalism was really about Germany. He wanted revolution in Germany cuz he respected Germans as hard workers. He despised Russians as lazy and worthless. He didn’t think they were good prole material. His view of Russians was typically Jewish and not entirely wrong.

    Stalin felt otherwise: Russians could be molded into hard workers… if by force.

  308. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @The most deplorable one

    WWI made Russian Revolution possible. It scared the conservative capitalists into supporting the far right.

    Hitler’s rise wasn’t possible without the aid of conservative industrialists.

  309. @animalogic

    Communists succeeded in taking over areas of Germany at the end of WWI. They also took over Hungary with tragic results. Everyone in Europe knew what would happen if the Leninists took over. You didn’t have to be German to know the score. The danger didn’t lessen over time in the interwar period.

    Versailles was tough on Germany and Austria but despite it, Germany experienced some periods of relative economic prosperity during the twenties. The one thing that did not change was the USSR menace.

    It’s not necessary to adopt a binary mentality about these issues. Versailles hurt and contributed to the resentments that led to the rise of the NSDAP. The Soviet menace was a motivating force behind reactionary politics throughout central and Western Europe. Both things were significant.

  310. iffen 说:

    Why has no one commented on the photo of Solzhenitsyn that intros this article.

    Doesn’t that face make you proud and humble to share the label of human with that man?

  311. Marcus 说:
    @Marcus

    Since you’re too lazy to look it up, Judah in Georgian is indeed similar to the Hebrew original of Yehudah, English is relatively uniquely with the hard “j” (which still doesn’t sound like -Dzh) https://translate.google.com/m/translate#en/ka/judah
    Even a braindead stormfag wouldn’t say it sounds anything like this https://youtube.com/watch?v=awkEVaTRNH4
    “Can you explain any of the other items I pointed out?” Insinuations not even on the level of YouTube trolling, it’s a fact that Stalin was enrolled in an Orthodox seminary at an early age, an interesting decision for a Jewish boy! Soviet recognition of Israel was due to latter being founded as an explicitly Socialist republic, and as I’ve pointed out before, Stalin switched support to Egypt after Nasser’s coup and began executing Jews who were considered Zionists and promoting propaganda against “rootless cosmopolitans” i.e. Jews.

    • 回复: @Anon
  312. Marcus 说:
    @Rurik

    Yeah those poor Germans, thrust into invading Belgium and France. Russia and Serbia bear a lot of blame for the start of the war, and Britain for its inept diplomacy, but it was Germany that made it a World War. Btw Germany thought it could win as late as 1918, with the Ludendorff Offensive, it was social and economic collapse at home that forced them to the negotiating table. And you still haven’t acknowledged that Germany was left off the hook at Versailles compared to what it imposed on Russia at Brest-Litovsk and what it had in store for France…
    RE: the “Halt Order” you shouldn’t trust the BBC for military history, it was issued by Runstedt, not Hitler (though he supported it), who feared an Allied counterattack before the German infantry had caught up with their armor.

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
    , @Rurik
  313. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Marcus

    “And you still haven’t acknowledged that Germany was left off the hook at Versailles compared to what it imposed on Russia at Brest-Litovsk and what it had in store for France…”

    I agree with you that Germany deserves much blame for the war.

    But the Brest-Litovsk wasn’t a bad treaty to the extent that it wrested from Russia its imperial holdings. Russia had to let go of Poland and etc(non-Russian lands), and Germans were willing to offer the Poles and other peoples(liberated from Russian imperialism) national independence.

    And German demands on France wouldn’t have been so bad. Look at WWII. Germany defeated France but treated it humanely(except the Jews).
    Besides, France was one nation that was almost as guilty as Germany for igniting WWI.
    For one, it’s alliance with Russia was reckless, and French revanchism was just itching for a war to get even.

    • 回复: @Marcus
  314. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:

    Although Hitler used commies as a scarecrow to make sure, that his opponents would not oppose him, his attack on Soviets was about killing ”subhumans” and landgrabbing more than fighting ”evil regime”.

    I have never liked Communism, but to this day I can’t understand this irrational fear and hatred of the Soviet Union. It worked back then, foiling every Stalin’s attempt to secure alliance with Europe, and it works now, making people to defend Hitler.

  315. tbraton 说:
    @The most deplorable one

    Let’s not forget that one of Hitler’s last assignments in the German army after the end of WWI was to keep an eye on and penetrate a small “political party” (comprised of 7 members) in Munich called the German Workers’ Party in the political turmoil that arose at war’s end. He succeeded so much that he wound up taking over the small party, reorganizing it and enlarging its ranks and renaming it the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. This party and others were created in response to the agitation created by Communist elements in Germany. Without Lenin and the Communists in power in Russia, there probably would not have been political turmoil in Germany and Hitler’s political career likely never would have started. He would have returned to art and obscurity, and the world probably would have been a better place.

  316. @Israel Shamir

    The top search term:

    http://grachev62.narod.ru/stalin/t18/t18_092.htm

    Source: РГАСПИ Ф. 558 Оп. 11 Д. 1072. Л. 195–196об.

    Searching which leads to here: http://7lafa.com/book.php?id=50066&page=58

    Which appears to be from a real book at the least.

  317. Marcus 说:
    @Priss Factor

    But the Brest-Litovsk wasn’t a bad treaty to the extent that it wrested from Russia its imperial holdings. Russia had to let go of Poland and etc(non-Russian lands), and Germans were willing to offer the Poles and other peoples(liberated from Russian imperialism) national independence.

    Yeah the German Empire was all about Wilsonianism… No, it was about crippling a rival power, and the Germans had no intent of giving Poland any kind of independence (remember they had many Poles within their pre-war borders, so why encourage them?). Who knows, maybe if the krauts hadn’t been so cruel at Brest-Litovsk, the Allies would’ve been even more lenient at Versailles?

    And German demands on France wouldn’t have been so bad. Look at WWII. Germany defeated France but treated it humanely(except the Jews).

    Actually they would have been very draconian, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septemberprogramm). BTW we aren’t discussing WW2, but I wouldn’t call occupying about 2/3 of France and holding >1 million French prisoners in work detail humane.

    Besides, France was one nation that was almost as guilty as Germany for igniting WWI.
    For one, it’s alliance with Russia was reckless, and French revanchism was just itching for a war to get even.

    ?? It would’ve been reckless to not seek an ally and to remain diplomatically isolated against future German invasions. Allying with Russia and the UK was brilliant on their part, completely breaking out of the isolation Bismarck had forced them into. Yes the Revanchists were just terrible, OTOH the Germans after WWI were gracious losers…

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  318. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @syonredux

    Eisenhower wasn’t Jewish:

    Eisenhower’s West Point Military Academy graduating class yearbook, published in 1915, Eisenhower is identified as a “terrible Swedish Jew.”

    His mentor was Bernard Baruch

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  319. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Anonymous

    怎么样

    Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure–one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
    ― David Rockefeller

    The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.”
    ― David Rockefeller

    “We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years……It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.”
    ― David Rockefeller

  320. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @animalogic

    “Without Lenin, Hitler is much less likely.”

    Hitler came about because of the German Hyperinflation, which was caused by printing money to pay off the ruinous reparations demanded by the UK, France et all after WW1.

    By 1917 Germany and the Allies were mutually exhausted and thinking of a peace treaty. Then the London Jewish interests claimed that they could get the US into the war on the side of the UK, France et all. And through inflammatory news articles, including sinking of a passenger liner that never existed by German subs, exaggerating war atrocities (6 million Jews facing death for instance), they did.

    Now how could the Germans not hate Jews for causing them to lose WW1 and then stripping them of their wealth through ruinous reparations? Restoring German greatness by expelling the Jews was an easy sell.

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  321. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Marcus

    According to this site, a spelling error may be causing the confusion. Considering how often Stalin changed his name, it would not be a surprise that he changed the spelling of his name as well.

    http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1156

    Stalin’s name is spelled იოსებ ჯუღაშვილი in Georgian. The last part of his name means son of, so the first part MUST be a name.

    According to that site

    ჯუღა is not a name in Georgian, and does not appear in any Georgian dictionary. but

    the slightly different ჯუდა is the Georgian name corresponding to the English name Judah. The third letter is different, but looks similar.

    Per google translate in Georgian steel is spelled ფოლადი, which is nowhere near ჯუღა.

    so no Stalin was not named son of steel, he was named son of Judah.

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    , @Andrew E. Mathis
  322. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @The most deplorable one

    你有引用吗?

    http://www.whale.to/b/starvation_of_germans.html

    The following is about how the western allies treated German prisoners. You can just imagine what happened with the ones in Soviet hands

    http://www.whale.to/b/in_eisenhowers.html

    更令人震惊的是,看到囚犯将草和杂草扔进装有稀汤的锡罐中。 他们告诉我他们这样做是为了减轻他们的饥饿感。 很快他们变得消瘦了。 痢疾肆虐,不久他们便睡在自己的粪便中,身体太虚弱,拥挤不堪,无法伸到缝隙的es沟里。 许多人在我们眼前乞求食物,生病和死亡。 我们有足够的食物和补给,但没有采取任何措施来帮助他们,包括没有医疗援助。

    When I threw this food over the barbed wire to the prisoners, I was caught and threatened with imprisonment. I repeated the “offense,” and one officer angrily threatened to shoot me. I assumed this was a bluff until I encountered a captain on a hill above the Rhine shooting down at a group of German civilian women with his .45 caliber pistol. When I asked, “Why?,” he mumbled, “Target practice,”

    Articles in the G.I. newspaper, Stars and Stripes, played up the German concentration camps, complete with photos of emaciated bodies.

    此后不久,法国士兵将我们一些病弱的囚犯赶到了他们的营地。 我们正坐在这列后面的卡车上。 暂时,它减速并回落,可能是因为驾驶员和我一样震惊。 每当一名德国囚犯错开或跌落时,他就被俱乐部撞到头部并被杀死。 尸体被卷到路边,由另一辆卡车捡起。 对于许多人来说,在我们的“杀戮场”中,这种迅速死亡可能比缓慢饥饿更为可取。

  323. @Greasy William

    [quote]The performance of the Red Army in WW2 was beyond abysmal. The Germans handled them with no problem despite being outnumbered 2 to 1 and being under a blockade.[/quote]

    So you are a Jew who admires the Nazis? I guess that’s a handy definition for modern Zionism, come to think of it!

    Also noteworthy: the lack of gratitude to the Red Army, which saved so many Jews.

  324. Marcus 说:
    @Anon

    So, go to a random forum when you can’t find any evidence? Again: https://translate.google.com/#en/ka/judah vs https://translate.google.com/#en/ka/dzhugashvili are not similar in pronunciation (which is no guarantee any way, false cognates abound), and why would a “son of Judah” (hint, it looks nothing like Dzhugashvili) https://translate.google.com/#iw/ka/%D7%91%D7%9F%20%D7%99%D7%94%D7%95%D7%93%D7%94 attend a freaking Christian seminary? I recommend you read actual scholarship (https://books.google.com/books/about/Young_Stalin.html?id=Jrkl5e1joNMC&source=kp_cover) instead of stormfront-quality conspiracy theory sites, but I’m sure you won’t listen.

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  325. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Marcus

    “Actually they would have been very draconian”

    They sound pretty decent.

    those eastern territories under german rule would have done well.

    and belgium is hardly a real country anyway.

    and only pieces of france were to be taken.

    and with booming german economy after victory, all of europe would have benefited.

    besides, the bolshies owed it to the germans since germans helped them into power. bolshies made a pact with the devil and had to pay the price.

    and finland and ukraine became independent.

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  326. tbraton 说:
    @Anon

    Let me intrude into the little debate you are having with Rejoining_Ash re the meaning of Stalin’s original name in Georgian. The poster Marcus has already touched on the basic fallacy of your argument, the assumption that the hard “j” sound in English also pertains to other languages. The English word “Hebrew” derives from Middle English which derives from Old French which derives from Latin which derives from the Greek “Hebraios,” as we would express the Greek letters in English letters. But the modern Greek term for “Hebrew” is the same as the ancient Greek term: “Ebpaios.” It should be noted that the second letter of the Greek alphabet, “beta,” while it is the equivalent of the English “b,” is actually pronounced like our “v.” The Greek “p,” or “rho,” is pronounced like the English “r.” So the Greek word “Ebpaios” is pronounced “ev-ray-os,” with the accent on the middle syllable. So the original Greek word (derived from Aramaic derived in turn from the original Hebrew) has a much softer sound than the English word “Hebrew,” with its hard “h” beginning.

    Similarly, the English word “Jew,” with its hard “j” sound, derives as well from Middle English which derived from Old French which derived from Latin which derived from the ancient Greek “Ioudaios.” The modern Greek word is the same as the ancient Greek word, and would be transcribed into English letters as “Ioudaios,” which is pronounced as “You-thay-os.” That is a much softer sound than the hard “j” sound of the English word. As Marcus pointed out, Greek has no “j” sound equivalent to the hard English “j” sound. The original Greek word is closer to the original Hebrew word “Yehudi.”

    I don’t know Georgian, and its 33-letter alphabet bears little resemblance to the Greek alphabet or the Western alphabets derived from the Greek (which was derived from the Phoenician). But I do know that the links between Greece and Georgia go back a long way. The ancient Greek myth of Jason and the Argonauts and their pursuit of the Golden Fleece took Jason and his companions to the Black Sea land of Colchis, which everybody agrees is the present day site of Georgia. After being conquered by the Romans, Georgia became part of the Eastern Roman Empire (aka Byzantium) and remained under the political and cultural influence of the Greek-speaking Byzantines for hundreds of years. I have no doubt that the Georgians probably learned of the “Jews” and “Hebrews” from the relatively more sophisticated Greeks, and I would surmise that the Greek words influenced the Georgian pronunciation.

    BTW I would note that English ultimately derives from German, but the letter “j” often does not have the hard “j” sound of English in other languages. For example, Spanish people pronounce “Jose” as “Ho-zay” and “Jesus” as “Hay-zus,” the softer sound of “h” instead of the hard sound of “j” in English (compare “Joseph’). Or some languages give the same word the softer “y” sound, thus “Judah” in English is “Yehuda” in Hebrew.

    ” Again please advise how your girlfriend states as to how how the name Judah, the original Jew of the Old Testament, was spelled and pronounced in Georgian.”

    That’s odd. I thought Abraham was the first Jew. Judah was actually the great-grandson of Abraham. According to Wikipedia: “Judah (Hebrew: יְהוּדָה‎, Standard Yehuda Tiberian Yəhūḏāh) was, according to the Book of Genesis, the fourth son of Jacob and Leah, and the founder of the Israelite Tribe of Judah. By extension, he is indirectly eponymous of the Kingdom of Judah, the land of Judea and the word “Jew”. According to the narrative in Genesis, Judah with Tamar is the patrilinear ancestor of the Davidic line.” If we are to believe the Bible (and who doesn’t believe the Bible?), Abraham begat Isaac who begat Jacob who begat Judah.

    I believe you also refer elsewhere to the “three Jewish wives” of Stalin. Reality is that Stalin had two wives, neither of whom was Jewish. Nice try.

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    , @Anon
    , @Anon
  327. @Anon

    Hyperinflation was over by 1925. Try again.

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  328. @Anon

    Considering how often Stalin changed his name, it would not be a surprise that he changed the spelling of his name as well.

    That would be once, and all Bolsheviks did so. It was a tactic to evade the Okhrana.

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  329. Marcus 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Reducing most of Europe to vassalage is “decent?” Germany was not up to the task of running such a vast and diverse area, Bismarck knew this, so he constructed a multipolar balance of power to keep the peace; the reckless generals and Wilhelm II disregarded his wisdom.

    • 回复: @5371
    , @Priss Factor
  330. Marcus 说:
    @tbraton

    Yeah, I’m not a linguist, but English seems to have developed on a very unique trajectory from other I-E languages, and obviously it wouldn’t have exerted much influence until recently.

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
    , @tbraton
  331. @Marcus

    Not that different, you’d be surprised. The unique thing is Germanic structure but largely Romance vocabulary. The closest language is Frisian, which is spoken in the Low Countries but lacks the Romance words. A good comparison is Romanian — Romance structure but largely Slavic vocabulary.

  332. tbraton 说:
    @Marcus

    About 20 years ago, an enterprising Irish-American author, Thomas Cahill, came up with a very good money-making idea of writing a series of books that appealed to virtually every ethnic group in America, from the Irish, to the Italians, to the Jews. One of those books, “How the Irish Saved Civilization,” was based on the premise that from the downfall of the Roman Empire to the Middle Ages the studious Irish monks in the monasteries in Ireland preserved the great Greek tradition in the West (and the Greek language) by maintaining a mastery of the Greek language while the barbarian invaders did their mischief. There is a nugget of truth in the premise in that the Irish monks did preserve the tradition by copying Greek books and did speak a form of Greek, but it ignores the very real historical fact that there was still a functioning empire based in Constantinople where Greek was spoken by everyone and written by a substantial number of inhabitants. Many of those Greeks made their way to Italy during the final phases of the Byzantine Empire and, with their knowledge and skills, helped inspire the Renaissance, much as the Jewish emigrants from Hitler’s Germany in the 30’s helped leaven American universities and American intellectual traditions. Now, I have no doubt that those smart Irish monks were very well acquainted with the Greek language and did their part in preserving the Western tradition, but the idea of Irishmen speaking Greek with their Irish brogues made me laugh out loud. People raised speaking one language get used to the peculiar sounds of that language, and sometimes have difficulty mastering the sounds of a foreign language when speaking that foreign language. That’s why foreigners speak with an accent when speaking another language that is not native to them. English and Greek appear to me to pretty far apart in the sounds that are natural to each. There are sounds that are common in one language that are simply not found in the other. A clear example of different usage is the Greek letter “pi.” “Pi,” of course, has long been the mathematical symbol representing the relationship of a circle’s diameter to its circumference or, in numerical terms, 3.14159. . . . “Pi” is also the 16th letter of the Greek alphabet. The only difference is that the Greeks pronounce it “pee,” while the English pronounce the very same letter “pie.” (In fact, I don’t think the English sound “i” (or “eye”) is actually found in Greek.) That’s why it’s hard to generalize about pronunciation in one language when discussing another, completely different language.

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  333. 5371 说:
    @Marcus

    No, this is hero-worship gone mad. Impersonal factors had changed, rather than one mastermind having disappeared. For your argument it would make more sense (but still be misleading) to blame Tirpitz.

  334. 5371 说:
    @Marcus

    [Allying with Russia and the UK was brilliant on their part, completely breaking out of the isolation Bismarck had forced them into.]

    The alliance with Russia was indeed a very positive move from the point of view of keeping the peace, not because it created the threat of a two-front war but on the contrary, because it controlled and canalised it. Surrender to England and the Entente Cordiale had exactly the opposite effect.

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  335. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Marcus

    “Reducing most of Europe to vassalage is ‘decent?’”

    Vassalage in the modern era would have been different than in the old days.

    Look, Soviet Union ran Eastern Europe as vassal states, but things weren’t so bad. If anything, USSR protected Eastern Europe from decadent liberalism.

    And EU today is a vassal of the US. It’s a modern vassal state. And US is destroying EU cuz US is run by crazy globo-Jews.

    If right-wing Germany had become the dominant force in Europe, it would have been good for most peoples. It would have been good for Germans, the most productive and hardworking peoples. And other nations would have worked with Germans to make their economies work.

    Today, EU, as vassal-state of the US, is working to destroy Europe. If German Right dominated Europe, they would have worked hard to keep it European.
    Globalist Germany today is treating other nations like vassals, and this bad cuz Germany is not patriotic but ruled by globo-US. So, Germany applies pressures on its economic vassals to open their borders to massive migration.
    Germany tells Hungary and Poland to OBEY and take in endless numbers of ‘refugees’.

    Now, what is better? Europe under vassalage of right-wing Germans(before the rabid and virulent Nazi kind came on the scene) who would have protected white Europe as a united empire OR Europe under the vassalage of globo-Zio-homo-ruled US that puts pressure on EU to commit mass suicide?

    A Europe dominated by right-wing Germans would have been a great thing. Sure, French could have played a role in this too but as a junior partner.
    Germany had the numbers, the power, the vision, and the ability to dominate Europe. It should have. Rightist German vassalage sure beats today’s globo-vassalage under zio-homo US.

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  336. Marcus 说:
    @5371

    Also French capital was desperately needed by industrializing Russia, it was win-win for both sides. You’re right about the Entente, that could be seen as forcing Germany’s hand. Britain should’ve remained isolated outside of its relationship with the US and Japan, Germany was not a threat to them.

  337. Thirdeye 说:
    @War for Blair Mountain

    The potential trouble-makers for the enthusiasts for the Ancien Regime were Germany’s young Men. The solution to this problem was to use them as canon fodder….

    The same was true for the Czarists in Russia. Rising agitation among labor and dissident intelligentsia got nationalist fervor in response, leading to WWI. IMO that was foremost among Nicholas II’s crimes. If responsibility for WWI can be laid at the feet of any one individual it would be Nicholas II.

  338. The most deplorable one [又名“启示录的第四位门卫”] 说:
    @Anon

    That just shows that they were making anti-Semitic jokes even back then. The racists!

  339. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Marcus

    再次

    According to this site, a spelling error may be causing the confusion. Considering how often Stalin changed his name, it would not be a surprise that he changed the spelling of his name as well.

    http://www.preearth.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1156

    Stalin’s name is spelled იოსებ ჯუღაშვილი in Georgian. The last part of his name means son of, so the first part MUST be a name.

    According to that site

    The first part of Stalin’s birth last name ჯუღა is not a name in Georgian, and does not appear in any Georgian dictionary. but

    the slightly different ჯუდა is the Georgian name corresponding to the English name Judah. The third letter is different, but looks similar.

    Per google translate in Georgian steel is spelled ფოლადი, which is nowhere near the fist part of Stalins last name, which is spelled ჯუღა.

    so no Stalin was not named son of steel, he was named son of Judah.

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  340. anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Priss Factor

    Now, what is better? Europe under vassalage of right-wing Germans(before the rabid and virulent Nazi kind came on the scene) who would have protected white Europe as a united empire OR Europe under the vassalage of globo-Zio-homo-ruled US that puts pressure on EU to commit mass suicide?

    但是 (before the rabid and virulent Nazi kind came on the scene) globojews were running Weimar.

    should globojew weimar have been allowed to continue?

    same time — Bolshies were trying to make Germany Commie central.

    what should Germans have done about those two situations, if not Nazism?

  341. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @tbraton

    My point is that the first part of Stalin’s name means Judah, not Jew, not Hebrew and certainly not Israel or Israelite.

    Read my posts on the Georgian spelling of Judah and steel. The Georgian spelling for Steel is so different from Stalin’s name that anyone choosing to support that argument is either a raving looney or a disinformation specialist.

    Does Judah sound like Jughah? Sure does!

    Is steel which is spelled ფოლადი, similar to the first past of Stalin’s last name ჯუღა. HELL NO!

    That’s odd. I thought Abraham was the first Jew. Judah was actually the great-grandson of Abraham.

    That would be a negatory. Judah was the first Jew. An Israelite is a member of the 12 tribes of Israel. The Jews are “one” of those twelve tribes. Abraham can’t even be considered the first Israelite, since the Arabs also descend from his line and they are not Israelites by any standard.

    http://catholic-resources.org/Bible/History-Abraham.htm

    A prominent feature of the biblical texts is also the explanation of tribal origins through various genealogies. Thus, the Israelites (the twelve tribes of Israel) see themselves as the descendants of the twelve sons of Jacob, son of Isaac, son of Abraham. In contrast, groups like the Ishmaelites and Edomites (to the south and southeast of the Israelites) are said to be descendants of Abraham’s other children and grandchildren, while the neighboring Moabites and Ammonites (west of Israel) are described as descendants of Lot, Abraham’s nephew.

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  342. Marcus 说:
    @Anon

    Please, for your own sake, step away from the keyboard. If you continue to pollute your mind with bottom of the barrel conspiracy forums, you’ll never be more than a dime a dozen Nazi YouTube troll.

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  343. @tbraton

    We only have “I” as “eye” thanks to the Great Vowel Shift (Google it). Pre-1066 or even 1215, we’d have pronounced it “pee.”

  344. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    That would be once,

    Nope! At least twice. The other time his name resembled that of some Jewish kabbahlist who tried to make golems.

    and all Bolsheviks did so.

    To my knowledge only Jewish Bolsheviks changed their names.

    It was a tactic to evade the Okhrana.

    No! It was to hide the fact that they were Jews. It worked for Lenin for instance. It was a state secret that Lenin had Jewish roots and that fact was hidden for close to a century.

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  345. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Hyperinflation was over by 1925. Try again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

    Even Jewish controlled wikipedia states that Hitlers rise to power started in 1924, based on opposition to the Treaty of Versailles and promoting Pan-Germanism, anti-Semitism, and anti-communism with charismatic oratory and Nazi propaganda. Hitler frequently denounced international capitalism and communism as being part of a Jewish conspiracy.

    Is 1924 before or after 1925?

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  346. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @tbraton

    I believe you also refer elsewhere to the “three Jewish wives” of Stalin. Reality is that Stalin had two wives, neither of whom was Jewish. Nice try.

    Depends on whom you believe, a bunch of known mass murderers or someone of unknown background.

    As for me, between the ramblings of a dead stinking drunk raving in some alleyway versus the “authoritative” records of the Soviet Union, I would choose the drunk almost every time.

    Are you aware that when the Germans found the remains of the Katyn Forest Massacre in Poland they called in the Red Cross to substantiate the age of the remains? The Soviets still tried to foist the blame for that on the Germans during the Nuremberg trials.

    That massacre was when the Soviets killed off all the officers of the Polish Army after taking over eastern Poland.

  347. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Marcus

    Please, for your own sake, step away from the keyboard. If you continue to pollute your mind with bottom of the barrel conspiracy forums, you’ll never be more than a dime a dozen Nazi YouTube troll.

    This from a guy who is of the same opinion as the guy that thinks Abraham was the fist Jew.

    Since the Arabs are also from his line, do you think the Saudis are Jews as well?

  348. Marcus 说:
    @Priss Factor

    “Right wing Germany”
    The Social Democrats were the biggest party.
    “Germany had the numbers, the power, the vision, and the ability to dominate Europe. It should have.”
    It absolutely did not, otherwise it would’ve won the war well before the US entered. As Bismarck said, “Europe is a geographical expression.”

    • 回复: @Priss Factor
  349. @Anon

    You might be thinking of “Koba,” which was not used officially. I believe it means “bear” in Georgian.

    Molotov changed his name. So did Lenin. And Kirov. Joffe (Jewish) did not. Nor did Ehrenburg. Nor did Yagoda.

    Lenin never hid that he was of partial Jewish ancestry. He was also of partial German ancestry, and a minor noble.

    • 回复: @Anon
  350. @Anon

    In 1924, the Nazi party was under a ban, which wasn’t lifted until the 1928 election, in which they got their clocks cleaned (ninth place). If it weren’t for the stock market crash in 1929, which had nothing to do with hyperinflation, they would have remained an historical footnote.

    You would do much better in life learning to admit when you’re wrong.

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  351. @Anon

    Let me ask you a question: does the word “canine” sound like the word “hound”? They’re closely related words.

    Conversely, you might think that the German word “Herd” means the same thing in English. It doesn’t; it means “stove.”

    A semester of linguistics would have made this patently obvious to you and would have clarified for you why you’re wrong on the Stalin issue.

  352. tbraton 说:
    @Anon

    “That would be a negatory. Judah was the first Jew. An Israelite is a member of the 12 tribes of Israel. The Jews are “one” of those twelve tribes. Abraham can’t even be considered the first Israelite, since the Arabs also descend from his line and they are not Israelites by any standard.”

    Well, anon, your views certainly don’t accord with the traditions of Judaism. According to Wikipedia: “In Jewish tradition, Abraham is called Avraham Avinu (אברהם אבינו), “our father Abraham,” signifying that he is both the biological progenitor of the Jews (including converts, according to Jewish tradition), and the father of Judaism, the first Jew.[19] ” If you are Jewish, then you must be one of the dumber Jews. If not, then you are just dumb. Like your claim that Stalin had three Jewish wives, when he was only married twice and both were non-Jews, you just make up this crap you spout.

    “Does Judah sound like Jughah? Sure does!”

    I guess you didn’t understand my message at all. Your whole case seems to rest on the fact that “Judah” has the same sound in Georgian as it does in English. The hard “j” sound in English does not seem to be found in Greek or other Mediterranean languages. My point is that the English word “Jew” derives through Old French and Latin from Greek, and Greek does not have a hard “j” sound. Does “Judah” sound like “you-thay-os”? Only in the sense that “Joseph” sounds like “Jose” (Ho-zay).

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    , @Anon
    , @Marcus
  353. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    You might be thinking of “Koba,” which was not used officially. I believe it means “bear” in Georgian.

    You say bear, others say a Georgian folk hero, others a Jewish rebel against the Romans, and still others a kabahlist. Take your pick.

    Aside from changing his name at least twice, he also changed his birthday, so saying he may have changed the spelling of his name is not that hard to believe. Again the first part of his name is not spelling ANYTHING like the Georgian spelling for steel, so that theory is a crock.

    Lenin never hid that he was of partial Jewish ancestry.

    Where do you get this drivel that you are spouting- below is from 2011 Time magazine. Churchil when he wrote his “Terrorist Jews” piece was not aware that Lenin was Jew. That was in the 1920’s.

    Vladimir Lenin Was Part Jewish, Say Declassified KGB Files

    (MOSCOW) — A recently opened exhibition in Moscow’s State Historical Museum is shedding some light on a long-guarded Russian secret: the origins of Soviet founding father Vladimir Lenin. Lenin’s maternal grandfather, the exhibition revealed, was born Jewish.

  354. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @tbraton

    In Jewish tradition, Abraham is called Avraham Avinu (אברהם אבינו), “our father Abraham

    And??? By that standard he was also the first Dan (or Danite), the first Benjamin etc etc etc the other tribes. So are you aware of anyone calling Abraham a Levite, a Benjamin, a Dan? etc etc etc?

    It seems reasonable to me that the first member of a tribe if the founder of that tribe. So just like the fist member of the tribe of Dan was Dan, and the first member of the tribe of Benjamin was Benjamin the first member of the tribe of Judah (Jews) was Judah.

    Per your opinion his grandad was the first member. Why don’t you just go even further back and say the first Jew was Noah, or better yet the first Jew was Adam? Seems as reasonable.

    I guess you didn’t understand my message at all. Your whole case seems to rest on the fact that “Judah” has the same sound in Georgian as it does in English.

    Not the same, just very close, as would be expected trying to say the same name in 2 different languages. Does Jugha sounds close to Judah. Just say it! I know you can!

    and also the fact that Judah is spelled almost exactly the same as the first part of Stalin’ s official birth last name, while steel is not spelled anywhere near the same.

    This is the spelling for Stalins birth last name in Georgin ჯუღაშვილი
    This is the first part of that name ჯუღა
    This is the correct way to spell Judah ჯუდა. Notice the different 3rd letter.
    If you stick ჯუდა into Google Translate you get Judah

    If you try English first you get this spelling იუდას for Judah. What can I say! Georgian has multiple spellings for that name.

    For steel you get this ფოლადი

    Whatever your choice for Judah, it is 100% certain that this Georgian spelling for steel ფოლადი bears ZERO relation to the first part of Stalin’s last name ჯუღა.

    Can we at least agree that ფოლადი is not ჯუღა and that per the Georgian spelling of his name, and THIS spelling of steel, his name does not translate to son of steel?

    Feel free to find another Georgian spelling for steel.

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  355. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    In 1924, the Nazi party was under a ban, which wasn’t lifted until the 1928 election, in which they got their clocks cleaned (ninth place).

    So it was under a ban. didn’t change the fact that they kept gaining members and eventually got into power.

    If it weren’t for the stock market crash in 1929, which had nothing to do with hyperinflation, they would have remained an historical footnote.

    Shouldn’t that be the Hyperinflation of 1925? I’m pretty sure the stock market crash of 1929 didn’t effect Germany that much since they were still in the gutter from the Hyperinflation

    You would do much better in life learning to admit when you’re wrong.

    You’d do better in life if you’d rub those few brain cells not yet bleached white from brainwashing.

  356. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @tbraton

    I don’t know why you are hung up on the J sound. Dzhugashvili or Jughashvili is phonetically spelled and has the same sound as the English J. That is why it is spelled that way in English. Why are you bringing in a language that does not have that sound? Aside from confusing the situation that is?

    Only in the sense that “Joseph” sounds like “Jose” (Ho-zay).

    Insert foot in mouth. Take out foot. Insert other foot in mouth. Take out foot. Try inserting both feet into mouth at the same time.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9

    José is a predominantly Spanish and Portuguese form of the given name Joseph

    So are you trying to say that Jose which is fact Joseph needs to sound exactly like Joseph or it isn’t Joseph, or that Jose and Joseph can sound similar and both can be Joseph (or Jose)?

    BTW: I recommend staying away from toenail fungus. BBBBBRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!

  357. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Marcus

    “The Social Democrats were the biggest party.”

    Biggest single party but not the majority party.
    Also, Social Democrat Germans back then were patriotic.

    Even Swedish Social Democrats for much of 20th century were conservative by today’s standards.

    “Europe is a geographical expression.”

    Better that than a global project.

  358. st 说:

    Jugah means “iron” in Georgian. “shvili” is analogous of germanic “son”. So his family means “Ironson” . He translated it in russian and took the name “Stalin” (Stal=steel).
    Enough stupidity.

  359. @Anon

    I just want to amplify some points I made earlier. First, before Hitler’s ill-advised attempt to overthrow the Bavarian government, the NSDAP was a regional party only, with almost no recognition outside Munich. The three elections that the party contested nationally before 1930 (two under a front party due to the ban I mentioned earlier) showed them with decreasing support per election. Lest it be thought that, once the party was able to run under its own name, it did better, it didn’t. In 1928, it polled the worst in its history, so the idea that Hitler was “building support” is just plain wrong.

    Moreover, the Dawes Plan stabilized the German mark, tying its stability to the U.S. economy. So hyperinflation was not a concern after 1925, and the economy largely recovered, which is why centrist parties dominated the political landscape until 1929. With the crash, global recession set in, so of course Germany was affected.

    You’d do well to read any economic history of 20th century Germany and not look so poorly informed.

  360. Marcus 说:
    @tbraton

    Maybe he’s a Jew impersonating a neo-Nazi troll, not that the latter make a good impression by themselves, but he’s self-parodying at this point.

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  361. The most deplorable one [又名“启示录的第四位门卫”] 说:
    @st

    You are late to this party, I see.

    The argument has turned philological.

    In any event, why do you want to deny the Jews their greatness?

  362. tbraton 说:
    @Anon

    Anon, first let me say that I think you are an idiot. Not just an idiot, but a “f*ckin idiot.” And I am sure I am not the first one to say that about you. Let me take some of your points and respond to them.

    First, you challenge my contention that Abraham was the “first Jew.” Here is what you say:

    ” ‘In Jewish tradition, Abraham is called Avraham Avinu (אברהם אבינו), “our father Abraham’

    And??? By that standard he was also the first Dan (or Danite), the first Benjamin etc etc etc the other tribes. So are you aware of anyone calling Abraham a Levite, a Benjamin, a Dan? etc etc etc?”

    I notice you conveniently excised the last part of my quote from Wikipedia, namely: “. . .signifying that he is both the biological progenitor of the Jews (including converts, according to Jewish tradition), and the father of Judaism, the first Jew.” What’s the matter? You couldn’t read that far? Or do you normally respond by omitting the most important part of the quotation? No wonder I refer to you as a “f*ckin idiot.” I guess you simply didn’t know what to say about that observation that, in the Judaic tradition, Abraham is considered “the father of Judaism, the first Jew.” That runs directly contrary to your bare assertion that Abraham’s great-grandson (not “grandson,” as you erroneously characterize Judah) was the first Jew.

    BTW I notice that you single out one of the 12 tribes established by the sons of Jacob, that established by Judah. Does that mean you regard the descendants of the other tribes as not true Jews? I don’t waste a lot of my mine trying to parse the various family trees set forth in the Old Testament, since I regard most of that stuff nonsensical crap.

    Secondly, you state that
    “Per your opinion his grandad was the first member. Why don’t you just go even further back and say the first Jew was Noah, or better yet the first Jew was Adam? Seems as reasonable.”

    Well, I guess I could have, but, according to the Book of Genesis, God (or Yahweh) promised Canaan to Abraham, not Adam and not Noah. Personally, I don’t believe any of the childish fairy tales that comprise the Old Testament. I think that stuff was all made up, and constantly revised, by desert people living a couple of millennia ago. As I understand it, Abraham was the first to practice circumcision, as well, one of the distinguishing marks of the Jews.

    Thirdly, you once again make your essential point that modern English word “Jew” sounds very much like the root of Stalin’s name in Georgian, so they must mean the same thing. You state that:
    ” ‘I guess you didn’t understand my message at all. Your whole case seems to rest on the fact that “Judah” has the same sound in Georgian as it does in English.’

    Not the same, just very close, as would be expected trying to say the same name in 2 different languages. Does Jugha sounds close to Judah. Just say it! I know you can!”

    This is where you put on full display your total ignorance of the development of the English language and use a quirk of the modern manifestation of the English language to arrive at baseless conclusions regarding another language. I guess you simply didn’t know that English has gone through four major phases since its introduction into England back in the fifth century A.D. According to Wikipedia: “English has developed over the course of more than 1,400 years. The earliest forms of English, a set of Anglo-Frisian dialects brought to Great Britain by Anglo-Saxon settlers in the fifth century, are called Old English. Middle English began in the late 11th century with the Norman conquest of England.[8] Early Modern English began in the late 15th century with the introduction of the printing press to London and the King James Bible as well as the Great Vowel Shift.[9] Through the worldwide influence of the British Empire, modern English spread around the world from the 17th to mid-20th centuries.” That’s why, in my earlier message, I pointed out the English word “Jew” derives from “middle English,” which in turn derives from Old French, which derives from Latin, which derives from ancient Greek. You see, Anon? The English word “Jew” only goes back to sometime after the Norman Conquest in 1066 A.D. when the invaders from Normandy imported many French words into the English vocabulary. And the form of the word in Middle English (六月 or Ju) is not the same as in Modern English and was not likely to carry the same pronunciation. Contrast that with modern Greek which has the same exact spelling (Ioudaios). Old English would be virtually incomprehensible to a speaker of Modern English. The same could be said of Middle English, the version of the language in which Chaucer wrote the “Canterbury Tales.” The modern English “J” sound of the word “Jew” is probably a development of the past several hundred years, as the grammar and pronunciation of the language has evolved.

    (Incidentally, the Georgian word for “Jew” apparently is “ebraeli,” which seems more similar to the Greek version than the English version. Notice how there is an absence of the introductory “J” sound? As I speculated earlier, that is no surprise to me since I discussed the long contact between Greeks and Georgians going back thousands of years, not the approximate four hundred years of Modern English and surmised that ancient Greek might have influenced the pronunciation of the same word in Georgian.)

    BTW I came across this post in Googling the origin of Stalin’s name. It is from a website called 风暴前线, which I take it you frequent a lot, since it seems to be a gathering place for people preoccupied with anti-Semitic ravings (I notice that the infamous David Duke seems to have some sort of association):

    “Re: Stalin: Jew or gentile?
    引用:
    Originally Posted by Baron Von Hund View Post
    http://www.faem.com/debate/a0825am.htm
    Dzhuga does not mean “Jew” in Georgian; the correct word is Ebraeli
    I have some familiarity with the Georgian language. Ebraeli is the word for Jew. Dzugha, whatever it means (if anything) does not mean Jew.

    Georgian is a unique language with no relation to Indo-European. It has a lot of borrowed words from European languages (banko is “bank”) but you definitely cannot draw a conclusion from the sound of Dzugha that it means “Jew.”

    Jew Watch is a good site to check out but they are not the pinacle of scholarship. Churchill supposedly had a Jewish great-grandparent or something. That does not make him a Jew, not even by Nazi standards.

    People are stating Stalin was a Jew and married Jews as cardinal facts when in reality they haven’t a clue what the hell they’re talking about nor have any facts to support it. I am really put off by the incredibly low intellectual level I find so often on this forum. This is worthy of out enemies, not of us.

    引用:
    I did find pieces of information regarding “Jewish Influence” in Georgia.

    http://www.geogen.ge/EngAnbani.htm
    in Georgia the Bagrations linked their posterity with the Hebrew Kings – biblical Jesus, David and Solomon
    Yeah and the Emperors of Rome traced their lineage to Jupiter and Hercules among others, do you believe that too?

    Jews have had influence everywhere (in varying degrees) for a long time. InThe Bagrationi family was not Jewish. They were Georgian and their decendents live in Italy.

    引用:
    In fact, saying Stalin was Jewish is ike stating Hitler was too.
    Yes it’s a fairly tale just like the human soap of Auschwitz and it’s embarassing to hear it repeated.” https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t369491-5/

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  363. tbraton 说:
    @tbraton

    BTW I forgot to add to my prior post that there are other words in the English language which bear out Anon’s argument that the English word “Jew” means the Georgian word of Stalin’s name must carry the same meaning. There is “judiciary,” which fully explains why there are three Jewish Justices on the U.S. Supreme Court (with a fourth on the way), far in excess of their percentage of the U.S. population. The word “judiciary” has the initial syllable “ju” which everybody knows has the same sound as “Jew.” Hence, the Jews are destined to legally rule over us and determine what the Constitution means. Then there is “ju-jitsu,” a form of self-defense developed by the Jews, which is why it is named after them and explains why the Jewish neoconservatives have monopolized our national defense policy in recent years. It also demonstrates why they are more than a match for Russia’s Vladimir Putin. Then, of course, there is “jewelry.” The word with its blatant first syllable “jew” explains why Jews dominate the jewelry business. I am positive that the same applies in the Georgian language, since English and Georgian are so closely related, as a glance at the Georgian alphabet makes crystal clear.

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  364. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @st

    Jugah means “iron” in Georgian. “shvili” is analogous of germanic “son”. So his family means “Ironson” . He translated it in russian and took the name “Stalin” (Stal=steel).
    Enough stupidity.

    Per Google translate Iron is spelled რკინის

    the first part of Stalin’s last name is officially spelled ჯუღა and is a name

    რკინის bears no relation to ჯუღა

    想要再试一次吗?

    and wasn’t he supposed to be names after steel?

  365. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Google “Dawes Plan”.

    The Dawes Plan in simple English

    Allies – Lets bleed the Germans dry

    Germans are bled dry and economy collapses from hyperinflation

    Allies – What do you mean we can’t bleed a dead German? Quickly put on a bandage, and don’t bleed them quite so fast, so they don’t die and we can keep bleeding them.

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  366. Anon • 免责声明 说:

    I guess you simply didn’t know what to say about that observation that, in the Judaic tradition, Abraham is considered “the father of Judaism, the first Jew.”

    Whatever! Doesn’t change the fact that Jews are NAMED after Judah, Levites after Levi and so on. Notice its called the tribe of Judah and not the tribe of Abraham. You still haven’t answered the question. Since Arabs also sprung from Abrahams line, are the Saudis Jewish? How About Yemenis?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe_of_Judah

    According to the Torah, the tribe consisted of descendants of Judah, the fourth son of Jacob and of Leah.

    I notice that you single out one of the 12 tribes established by the sons of Jacob, that established by Judah. Does that mean you regard the descendants of the other tribes as not true Jews?

    Modern day Jews are the descendants of the tribe of Judah and those members of the other tribes who stayed loyal to Rehoboum when most of the tribes revolted and formed the Kingdom of Israel from the precursor state containing all 12 tribes. Jews names their state The Kingdom of Judea. The other 9 named their state The Kingdom of Israel. If memory serves, the majority of the tribes of Benjamin and Levi stayed loyal, the other 9 tribes blew him a kiss and said “go F yourself”.

    QED: Those 9 tribes are Israelites ( notice they named themselves the Kingdom of Israel) but not Jews, and were never Jews to begin with, since they were not part of the tribe of Judah. Meanwhile the Jews were always Jews since they are part of the Jewish tribe (tribe of Judah) and were also part of the Kingdon of Judah.

    You could say that modern day Jews that descended from Judah have a double dose of Jewishness, while the Levites, Benjamins have a single dose.

    The other 9 tribes haze ZERO doses of Jewishness, not being either members of the tribe, or members of the kingdom of Judah, and so can’t be considered Jewish.

    Incidentally, the Georgian word for “Jew” apparently is “ebraeli

    That’s the word for Israeli. Jews are Isrealites based on their descent from Israel (Jacob), but not all Israelites are Jews.

    Book of Genesis : “Your name is Jacob; no longer shall your name be called Jacob, but Israel shall be your name.” So he called his name Israel.

    Dzugha, whatever it means (if anything) does not mean Jew.

    Never said it did, and also repeatedly pointed out that it does not mean Isreali, Hebrew or for that matter Kike. I said Dzugha (or Jugha) is pronounced similarly to the English pronunciation of the name of Judah, the original and first Jew. Which it is.

  367. @Anon

    The Georgian word for Israeli is “Israeli.”

    The Georgian words for “Jew” are “Ebraeli” and “Iudeli.”

    According to biographer Simon Sebag Montefiore, Stalin’s father claimer the name meant “son of the herdsman.”

    Herd in Georgian is “joga.” In Ossetian, which is where Stalin’s father claimed his family was originally from, the word is “jugh.”

    Robert Service makes essentially the same argument.

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  368. Thirdeye 说:
    @Anon

    The Soviets for instance declared war on Japan in 1945, taking over Manchuria to provide a base for the Chinese Communists, who also pretty much stayed away from the war, as the Nationalist Chinese bled themselves white fighting the Japanese.

    在很多方面都错了。

    The Soviets in 1945-47 weren’t exactly embracing the Chinese Communists. Stalin saw them as potential rivals who could challenge Soviet leadership of the Comintern. The Soviets handed Manchuria to the Kuomintang, not the Communists. The Soviets favored establishment of the Chinese coalition government of 1947. Soviet support of the Chinese Communists began in earnest after the coalition fell apart, in large part because the Cold War was heating up and Stalin saw the prospect of a US-aligned Kuomintang ruling China as a greater threat than rivalry with Chinese Communists.

    It was the opinion of the two American Generals in command of US operations in China during WWII, Stilwell and Wedermeyer, that Chiang was not committing sufficient forces to fighting the Japanese, instead reserving his strength for fighting the Communists.

    Now if you really want to sink your teeth into something juicy, ask yourself why did Eisenhower (a Jew)…..

    Eisenhower a Jew? Get real! His background was Pennsylvania Dutch.

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  369. tbraton 说:
    @tbraton

    I have solved the problem of Stalin’s original name. The word in modern Greek for “steel” is “atsali” in Anglicized letters, with an accent over the second syllable. “Atsali” is an obvious anagram for “Stalin,” proving beyond dispute that Stalin was not Georgian at all, but Greek.

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  370. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    你是一个无知的人。

    But does Jugha sound like Judah?

    and can a dead German be bled?

  371. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Thirdeye

    The Soviets handed Manchuria to the Kuomintang, not the Communists.

    So full of Ignorance!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Manchuria

    第二次世界大战后

    After the atomic bombing of Hiroshima in August 1945, the Soviet Union invaded from Soviet Outer Manchuria as part of its declaration of war against Japan. From 1945 to 1948, Inner Manchuria was a base area for the Chinese People’s Liberation Army in the Chinese Civil War. With the encouragement of the Soviet Union, Manchuria was used as a staging ground during the Chinese Civil War for the Communist Party of China, which emerged victorious in 1949.

    Eisenhower a Jew? Get real! His background was Pennsylvania Dutch

    http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-leaders-eisenhower.html

    Eisenhower’s West Point Military Academy graduating class yearbook, published in 1915, Eisenhower is identified as a “terrible Swedish Jew.”

    His mentor was Bernard Baruch who got him promoted over more capable officers.

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  372. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @tbraton

    I have solved the problem of Stalin’s original name. The word in modern Greek for “steel” is “atsali” in Anglicized letters, with an accent over the second syllable. “Atsali” is an obvious anagram for “Stalin,” proving beyond dispute that Stalin was not Georgian at all, but Greek.

    I award you the Most Glorious Medal of Mediocrity, with the ivy leaf cluster, on a field of sumac.

  373. @Anon

    By the way, I know the Georgian word for “Israeli” and one of the two words for “Jew” owing to my old girlfriend, who was Jewish and born in Israel and was thus both. Presumably she still is. Sadly, she married a (shudder) Russian.

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  374. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    According to biographer Simon Sebag Montefiore, Stalin’s father claimer the name meant “son of the herdsman.” Herd in Georgian is “joga.”

    Yet more stinky soft brown stuff

    Google translate shows “herd” is spelled ნახირი in Georgian. The first part of Stalin’s last name in Georgian is spelled ჯუღა

    ნახირი does not look like this ჯუღა.

    care to try again?

    Montefiore. Just a Jew working to cover up Jewish crimes

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Sebag_Montefiore

    Simon Montefiore was born in London. His father was Stephen Eric Sebag Montefiore and his brother is Hugh Sebag-Montefiore. They are descended from a line of wealthy Sephardi Jews

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  375. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Anon

    “The Soviets handed Manchuria to the Kuomintang, not the Communists.”

    Officially, this is true.

    It was officially handed to the KMT.

    But for all intensive purposes, Soviets handed over much of North China to the communists.

    Chiang had to wage war later to take Manchuria for real. He failed.

  376. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    By the way, I know the Georgian word for “Israeli” and one of the two words for “Jew” owing to my old girlfriend, who was Jewish and born in Israel and was thus both. Presumably she still is. Sadly, she married a (shudder) Russian.

    Presumably you mean she was born in Georgia. It is unlikely for a Jew born in Israel to speak Georgian.

    Again Israeli refers to a descendant of one of the 12 tribes of Israel. Jews are Israelis but not all Israelis are Jews.

    And this continues to have nothing to do with how the name Judah is pronounced in Georgian.

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  377. tbraton 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    “The Georgian words for “Jew” are “Ebraeli” and “Iudeli.” ”

    The second word bears a striking resemblance to the Greek word “Ioudaios,” which goes back more than 2000 years. That seems to support my earlier surmise that the Georgians, with their indisputable close ties to the Greeks of that area for hundreds of years, were influenced by the Greeks. The first word is very similar to the Greek word for “Hebrew,” Anglicized as “Ebpaios,” with the Greek “b” (or beta) pronounced like our “v” and the Greek “p” (or rho) pronounced like our “r.” I have never heard Georgian spoken, but I’m sure those two words spoken in Georgian sound a lot like the Greek: “Ev-ray-os” and “You-thay-os.” A lot closer than the modern English word “Jew,” whose hard “j” pronunciation has only evolved in the last several hundreds of years, after being derived from Middle English via Old French via Latin via Greek via Aramaic via ancient Hebrew. Only a “f*ckin idiot” could come up with a connection like that and state it on an open comment blog without a trace of embarrassment.

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  378. @Anon

    You don’t actually know how to use Google Translate, do you? It offers more than one translation in many cases. It does so for “herd.”

    Simon Montefiore was born in London. His father was Stephen Eric Sebag Montefiore and his brother is Hugh Sebag-Montefiore. They are descended from a line of wealthy Sephardi Jews

    Thanks for stating the obvious. The hospital my grandfather died in 20 years ago was Montefiore Hospital in the Bronx. Named for Moses Montefiore. Not a lot of goyim get that name.

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    , @Anon
  379. @Anon

    Presumably you mean she was born in Georgia. It is unlikely for a Jew born in Israel to speak Georgian.

    No, she was born in Israel — in Haifa. Her parents were from Tblisi, and they spoke Georgian at home, so it was her first language. They came to the U.S. before her first birthday, and her parents never learned to speak Hebrew. She speaks it, but only because she went to Hebrew school, which was frowned upon (i.e., illegal) in the USSR.

    Most Georgian Jews outside Israel speak Georgian as their first language. There are only 10,000 in the U.S. It’s a very small community with its own synagogue in Queens.

    Again Israeli refers to a descendant of one of the 12 tribes of Israel. Jews are Israelis but not all Israelis are Jews.

    Thank you for stating the obvious.

    And this continues to have nothing to do with how the name Judah is pronounced in Georgian.

    You have yet to concede that Jughashvili means “son of the Jew.”

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  380. Anon • 免责声明 说:

    You have yet to concede that Jughashvili means “son of the Jew.”

    Considering that you never made that claim and I never made that claim, why do I need to concede it?

    My claim is that Stalin’s last name Dzhugashvili can be parsed to Dzhuga – shvili which translates to Dzhuga – son of

    and since Dzhuga is pronounced similarly to Judah, Dzhugashvili literaly translated to “son of Judah”. A descendant of Judah is a Jew.

    same goes for the alternate spelling of Jughashvili

  381. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Is this the alternate spelling you are talking about ჯოგი

    The first part of Stalin’s last name is officially spelled ჯუღა and is a name. Herd as in a herd of horses whatever way you choose to spell it is not a name.

    This is the spelling for Stalins birth last name in Georgin ჯუღაშვილი
    This is the first part of that name ჯუღა
    This is the correct way to spell Judah ჯუდა. Notice the different 3rd letter.
    If you stick ჯუდა into Google Translate you get Judah

    If you try English first you get this spelling იუდას for Judah. What can I say! Georgian has multiple spellings for that name.

    Judah ჯუდა is closer to ჯუღა then is ჯოგი. I can see the letter დ getting confused at some point and becoming ღ since they look similar. More so if they were written by hand which they likely were. Georgia is not known as a center of the printing industry.

    ჯოგი has only 1 letter in common with the first part of Stalin’s last name. Still a FAIL!

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  382. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    The hospital my grandfather died in 20 years ago was Montefiore Hospital in the Bronx. Named for Moses Montefiore. Not a lot of goyim get that name.

    Maybe he had Jewish doctors that ware a bit overzealous while practicing directive 3 below

    http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/truth.htm

    “The advice of the Grand Satraps and Rabbis is the following:

    “1. As for what you say that the King of Spain obliges you to become Christian: do it, since you cannot do otherwise.
    “2. As for what you say about the command to despoil you of your property: make your sons merchants that they may despoil, little by little, the Christians of theirs.
    “3. As for what you say about making attempts on your lives: make your sons doctors and apothecaries, that they may take away Christians’ lives.
    “4. As for what you say of their destroying your synagogues: make your sons canons and clerics in order that they may destroy their churches.
    “5. As for the many other vexations you complain of: arrange that your sons become advocates and lawyers, and see that they always mix in affairs of State, that by putting Christians under your yoke you may dominate the world and be avenged on them.
    “6. Do not swerve from this order that we give you, because you will find by experience that, humiliated as you are, you will reach the actuality of power.
    “(Signed) Prince of the Jews of Constantinople.”

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  383. @Anon

    There is nothing to suggest that the first part of Stalin’s last name is also a name.

    I don’t see much point in arguing further if you won’t admit you were wrong.

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  384. @Anon

    You legitimately believe that bullshit?

    My grandfather smoked for sixty years. He had congestive heart failure. Absolutely nobody was surprised when he died.

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  385. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    I don’t see much point in arguing further if you won’t admit you were wrong.

    What do I have to admit to being wrong about? Pick one or more of the following

    shvili translates to son of
    and Jugha sounds like Judah
    combined you get son a Judah
    a son or descendant of Judah is a Jew

  386. Priss Factor [又名“多米尼克·弗兰肯学会”] 说: • 您的网站
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    “You have yet to concede that Jughashvili means ‘son of the Jew.’”

    I think his father was a cobbler, so I think it means ‘son of the shoe’.

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  387. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    You legitimately believe that bullshit?

    https://books.google.com/books?id=4XYVIWa3HD8C&pg=PA144&lpg=PA144&dq=%22The+advice+of+the+Grand+Satraps+and+Rabbis+is+the+following:&source=bl&ots=O4tZaTwlcY&sig=mj17ONQASyVV-K8L_TlSCVa6dLo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjU4L_oxZvMAhXKGz4KHYvWBIsQ6AEITTAJ#v=onepage&q=%22The%20advice%20of%20the%20Grand%20Satraps%20and%20Rabbis%20is%20the%20following%3A&f=false

    It’s also in the book by David Ash The Role of Evil in Human Evolution. He would not be the Ash you are trying to rejoin is he??

    My grandfather smoked for sixty years. He had congestive heart failure. Absolutely nobody was surprised when he died.

    Could be a normal death. Of course considering that when doctors went on strike in Israel, the death rate dropped by 35%, who knows how long people would live without their Ahem “help”.

  388. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Priss Factor

    I think his father was a cobbler, so I think it means ‘son of the shoe’.

    His father and a great grandfather were also named Jughashvili

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besarion_Jughashvili

    Besarion Jughashvili was the paternal grandson of Zaza Jughashvili from the village of Geri, north of Gori. In the mid-19th century, Zaza took part in a peasant uprising in Ananuri, a small county seat near Ger on the Aragvi River

    The only time other I have ever heard of the name Zaza is Zha Zha Gabor who was Jewish

    http://www.jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=1764 的Gabor

    Over the years, we got a bunch of requests to profile Zsa Zsa Gabor, who turns out to be Jewish.

    It turns out that Zaza is a Jewish/Hebrew name

    http://www.thenamemeaning.com/zaza/

    The name Zaza is of Hebrew origin … but… tends to be a womans name. Not definitive but certainly indicative.

    It looks like the odds that Stalin changed the spelling of his name is just about zero, but the odds that the name was changed because of bad penmenship increases. Two letters that look similar can be confused and the mistake won’t be caught by an illiterate peasant.

  389. Marcus 说:
    @tbraton

    他引用了 jewwatch.com as “evidence” of Dwight D. Eisenhower’s Jewishness, so I think it’s safe to say there’s no low he won’t stoop to.

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    , @Anon
  390. tbraton 说:
    @Marcus

    Yeah, that one really had me scratching my head. Where do these a**holes come up with this nonsense? Here is what Wikipedia says about Eisenhower’s ancestry:

    “The Eisenhauer (German for “iron hewer/miner”) family migrated from Karlsbrunn, Germany, to North America, first settling in York, Pennsylvania, in 1741, and in the 1880s moving to Kansas.[8] Accounts vary as to how and when the German name Eisenhauer was anglicized to Eisenhower.[9] Eisenhower’s Pennsylvania Dutch ancestors, who were primarily farmers, included Hans Nikolaus Eisenhauer of Karlsbrunn, who migrated to Lancaster, Pennsylvania, in 1741.[10]
    Hans’s great-great-grandson, David Jacob Eisenhower (1863–1942), was Eisenhower’s father and was a college-educated engineer, despite his own father Jacob’s urging to stay on the family farm. Eisenhower’s mother, Ida Elizabeth (Stover) Eisenhower, born in Virginia, of German Protestant ancestry, moved to Kansas from Virginia. She married David on September 23, 1885, in Lecompton, Kansas, on the campus of their alma mater, Lane University.[11]”

    Kind of hard to find where the Jewish ancestor might have made an entry in that line, even if those first names “Jacob” and “David” do raise an eyebrow or two. 😉 Fortunately, there do not appear to be any “Zaza”s in his family tree.

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    , @Marcus
  391. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Marcus

    他引用了 jewwatch.com as “evidence” of Dwight D. Eisenhower’s Jewishness, so I think it’s safe to say there’s no low he won’t stoop to.

    You think that jewwatch never gets anything right?

    这个怎么样

    https://www.houseofnames.com/eisenhower-family-crest

    The prominent surname Eisenhower is a proud symbol of Jewish heritage. Before the late Middle Ages, people were known only by a single name. However, as the population increased and travelers set out on their journeys, it became necessary for people to adopt a second name to identify themselves. Jewish hereditary surnames were adopted from a variety of different sources. There are three possible derivations of the surname Eisenhower. In the first case, it may be a metonymic occupational name for an ironworker or smith, derived from the Yiddish word ayzn, and the German word eisen, which means iron. Another interpretation suggests that this surname is of patronymic origin, and derived from the surname Isaac. A third alternative suggests that the surname Eisenhower is an ornamental surname. This explanation comes from the fact that there are many compound names, such as Eisenstein, which means iron stone.

  392. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @tbraton

    Here is what Wikipedia says about Eisenhower’s ancestry:

    Wikipedia is a Jewish controlled website that hides the background of many Jews. There were ads in Israel for instance, hiring students to work as censors, gatekeepers, and content control specialists in Wikipedia to defend Jewish “honor”

    Care to explain why Bernard Baruch acted as Eisehower’s mentor and got him promoted over many other officers senior to him?

    Is Bernard Baruch Jewish. You can tell by the name.

    • 回复: @tbraton
    , @tbraton
  393. Anon • 免责声明 说:

    Gotta love the internet

    The following link is to Eisenhower’s West Point Yearbook page, where he is describes as “the terrible Swedish Jew”. Look at the end a the very first line.

    Jewwatch got it right and Jewish defenders and apologists get it wrong! The Heavens have been overturned and the Jew defenders get egg on their faces.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=picture+Eisenhower+West+point+yearbook&biw=939&bih=592&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJnumevp3MAhXMVj4KHU4ABIYQsAQIHg#imgrc=jW_g_F7SKPkauM%3A

  394. Marcus 说:
    @tbraton

    However, unlike Stalin, he did not attend a Christian seminary in his youth, so maybe the “case” against him is even stronger!

    • 回复: @tbraton
  395. tbraton 说:
    @Anon

    “Wikipedia is a Jewish controlled website that hides the background of many Jews. There were ads in Israel for instance, hiring students to work as censors, gatekeepers, and content control specialists in Wikipedia to defend Jewish “honor””

    Well, perhaps you should supply us with the name of the Jewish ancestor in Eisenhower’s family tree who provided him with “Jewish blood.” BTW do you apply the same tests that applied in the South after the Civil War, so that even a touch of black blood in the family line meant you were a Negro in the eyes of the law? Is Eisenhower an octoroon when it comes to his Jewishness?

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    , @Marcus
  396. tbraton 说:
    @Marcus

    I guess West Point doesn’t count as a “Christian seminary.” Or is it the fact that he didn’t start attending WP until he was 21, so he was no longer a “youth”?

    • 回复: @Marcus
  397. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @tbraton

    Well, perhaps you should supply us with the name of the Jewish ancestor in Eisenhower’s family tree who provided him with “Jewish blood.”

    犹大

  398. tbraton 说:
    @Anon

    “Care to explain why Bernard Baruch acted as Eisehower’s mentor and got him promoted over many other officers senior to him?

    Is Bernard Baruch Jewish. You can tell by the name.”

    Well, according to Wikipedia, “From 1920, Eisenhower served under a succession of talented generals – Fox Conner, John J. Pershing, Douglas MacArthur and George Marshall.” That’s a heavyweight lineup of military men to serve under. That might have had something to do with it. Marshall was selected by Roosevelt to head the army in preparation for WWII and to get rid of a lot of the dead wood that ran the army. He reached down into the ranks and promoted many talented officers, including Eisenhower and George Patton. Was Patton Jewish?

    BTW Woodrow Wilson was advised and influenced by Louis Brandeis, whom he appointed to the Supreme Court as the first Jewish Justice. Does that make Wilson Jewish?

    Incidentally, when I was still in grade school, Sen. Joe McCarthy charged that Eisenhower and Marshall were “fellow travelers” of the Communist Party. Should we read into that that they certainly couldn’t have been Jewish, otherwise they would have been full members of the Communist Party?

    • 回复: @Anon
  399. Marcus 说:
    @tbraton

    Yes, Stalin was on a fast track to the top of the Georgian Orthodox Church’s hierarchy in his early teens. http://erenow.com/biographies/stalin-a-biography/6.html

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  400. tbraton 说:

    I have no doubt that he would have made it to the top. After all, you can’t keep a good Jew down. I bet the hierarchy of the Georgian Orthodox Church must have crossed themselves many times when they later read of Stalin’s purges of his fellow Communists when he headed the USSR. There, but for the grace of God, goes us, they must have thought. I wonder how many fellow Orthodox priests Stalin would have managed to bump off in his struggle to the top, had he become an Orthodox priest.

    • 同意: Marcus
  401. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @tbraton

    “From 1920, Eisenhower served under a succession of talented generals – Fox Conner, John J. Pershing, Douglas MacArthur and George Marshall.” That’s a heavyweight lineup of military men to serve under.

    Means nothing! EVERONE under a command serves that commander. Your comment is equivalent to saying that private Smith, who 9s in the stockade for assorted offenses, gets a plus to his competence because he served under either or all of Fox Conner, John J. Pershing, Douglas MacArthur and George Marshall.

    If you truly hold that opinion I fart in your general direction.

    Serving under means nothing. Competence means something.

    The fact that Eisenhower stopped the US/UK advance into Germany and let the Soviets grab Berlin can be nothing but incompetence.

    Eisenhower was an incompetent boob, guided into power by Beruch who went so far as to help him gain the presidency.

    BTW Woodrow Wilson was advised and influenced by Louis Brandeis, whom he appointed to the Supreme Court as the first Jewish Justice. Does that make Wilson Jewish?

    Wilson got a payoff of \$50,000 in gold from NY Jews to run his presidential campaign. Back then the dollar was denominated in gold and a \$20 gold piece had just under an ounce of gold. That 2,500 ounces or so is worth about \$3,000,000 today.

    Wilson was a bought and paid for politician Nothing more and nothing less.

  402. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Marcus

    Yes, Stalin was on a fast track to the top of the Georgian Orthodox Church’s hierarchy in his early teens.

    All those Orthodox Christians he later killed must have spun in their graves to have aided such a despicable piece of filth. A mass murdered of his stature can probably only be described as a spawn of Satan.

  403. Anon • 免责声明 说:

    Did Stalin speak Yiddish?

    It is a fact that Stalin regularly attended a Yiddish theater where plays were performed in Yiddish.

    In fact a modern play based on that is called “Making Stalin Laugh”

    http://www.thejewishweek.com/arts/theater/stalin-was-one-tough-critic

    When you perform in Yiddish, someone can only get the jokes (and laugh) if he understands Yiddish.

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  404. Marcus 说:
    @tbraton

    Wouldn’t these Jews be eager to bolster Jewish honor by claiming Eisenhower, scourge of the Third Reich that he was, as one of their own?

    • 回复: @Anon
  405. @Anon

    You didn’t actually read that article, did you? It doesn’t say anything about Stalin understanding Yiddish. Moreover, it mentions that Stalin had Mikhoels murdered.

    Further, a person who understands German can usually understand Yiddish with little difficulty. My grandfather spoke a variety of German spoken in the Alps and was able to converse with his brother-in-law, who was a Yiddish first-language speaker. I have a German friend today who used to visit the Yiddish theater on the Lower East Side of NYC when she lived there.

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  406. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Marcus

    Wouldn’t these Jews be eager to bolster Jewish honor by claiming Eisenhower, scourge of the Third Reich that he was, as one of their own?

    So you think that the Jews would gain popularity during the Cold War, if it was found out that a Jew gave up large chunks of Europe to his buddies the Jewish Bolsheviks?

    I think the terms “treason” and “hang him” would appear instead.

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  407. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Moreover, it mentions that Stalin had Mikhoels murdered.

    The stated reason for that killing is because Mikhoels supported a Jewish state in the Middle East. Funny how Stalin was the first leader to recognize that Jewish state, just 3 days after it declared independence. That is clearly a bogus reason.

    Further, a person who understands German can usually understand Yiddish with little difficulty.

    When did Stalin learn German? poor boy that he was who originally could not even understand Russian.

    Since he was Jewish, he knew Yiddish from his parents speaking it.

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    , @Andrew E. Mathis
  408. Marcus 说:
    @Anon

    Truman, Roosevelt, Churchill, and Attlee were all crypto-jooz as well? You should should write a book including all of your discoveries that (probably Jewish) scholars have suppressed for all this time!

    • 回复: @Anon
  409. Marcus 说:
    @Anon

    Thanks for the continued comic relief. We’ve already established that he was not Jewish, but Georgian Jews would certainly not be speaking Yiddish like Russian Jews did. Once again, Stalin turned strongly against Israel and executed Jews suspected of Zionist sympathies, this is a matter of record (not that you care, being a deceitful troll) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sl%C3%A1nsk%C3%BD_trial http://www.jta.org/1952/11/24/archive/prague-trial-throws-jews-in-communist-countries-into-mortal-fear

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  410. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Marcus

    We’ve already established that he was not Jewish,

    That would be a negatory!

    but Georgian Jews would certainly not be speaking Yiddish like Russian Jews did.

    So when did Stalin learn German?

    Yiddish was spoken by Jews all over the world. the version spoken in Georgia just has more Slavic loan words then the one spoken in Germany. Similarly as to to how US English is not the same of British English. There are die hard Orthodox Jews in Israel right now that speak Yiddish in preference to the Hebrew national language.

    Once again, Stalin turned strongly against Israel and executed Jews suspected of Zionist sympathies, this is a matter of record (not that you care, being a deceitful troll)

    The fact that Stalin was the first leader to recognize Israel, and just 3 days after it declared independence at that, is a matter of record.

    The fact that he killed Jews in order to protect his power, does not mean that killed them because they were Jews. As Putin said over 80% of the early Bolshevik leadership were Jews and that makes it an 80% that anyone wanting to depose him, in favor of himself, was more then likely a Jew.

    He killed them because he thought that they, in one way or another, threatened his power, not because they were Jews.

  411. @Anon

    As already pointed out to you, Georgian Jews don’t speak Yiddish. Moreover, Mikhoels was murdered in 1952, by which point Israel already existed for four years.

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  412. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Marcus

    http://www.newsnfo.co.uk/pages/Lincoln_Jewry_politica.htm

    On Roosevelt – the following could be referring to him following the directions of the NY Jewish bankers or that he himself was Jewish or both.

    If the experiment for which Roosevelt is responsible, should in any serious degree break down, as a result of the association with it of a number of eminent Jews, there would be an outbreak of Anti-Semitism in the U.S. more profound than anything Anglo-Saxon Civilization has so far known.

    but in an interesting discovery Wilson looks like he may be a Jew – same source as above

    Of Woodrow Wilson the famous Dr. H.J. Boldt wrote as follows: “Woodrow Wilson was a Sephardic Jew…The name of his parents was Wohlson ‑‑ a German‑Jewish name; they came from Germany, and went to England where they were known as Mr. and Mrs. Wolfson and when they landed here in America they called themselves Wilson.”

    根据这个消息来源

    https://books.google.com/books?id=B7JZoQuU3eMC&pg=PA89&lpg=PA89&dq=is+wohlson+jewish&source=bl&ots=os7Qs4koyI&sig=jTfZX11Oc7gy09ViCYeuKXooqsI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiL6pDTpZ7MAhWHgj4KHQQABk8Q6AEINDAE#v=onepage&q=is%20wohlson%20jewish&f=false

    Wilson was a Jew
    Eisenhower was a Jew
    Truman was a Jew

    and 52 of Roosevelts advisers and 86% of Washington officials under Roosevelt were Jews.

    With that percentage Roosevelt could be a Jew.

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  413. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    As already pointed out to you, Georgian Jews don’t speak Yiddish.

    Nope! Never pointed out. Again when did Stalin learn German?
    Also his mother came from a region where Jews do speak Yiddish.

    Moreover, Mikhoels was murdered in 1952, by which point Israel already existed for four years.

    Looks like you are the one not bothering to read what is in front of you

    First: Doesn’t change the fact that Stalin recognized Israel in only 3 days on May 17, 1948, and was first to do so.

    Second: the article states that Stalin killed Mikhoels in 1948 (January 1948 from another source) and not 1952 as you state.

    Epic FAIL!

    Why would Stalin kill off someone for supporting Israelewhen a few month later he becomes the first leader to recognize Israel. Sound fishy to you? Because it sure sounds fishy to me.

    http://www.thejewishweek.com/arts/theater/stalin-was-one-tough-critic

    But when Stalin turns virulently anti-Semitic after the Second World War, he turns against GOSET, and in 1948 has Mikhoels — who had publicly expressed his support for a Jewish state in Palestine — run over by a car to make his death seem accidental.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Mikhoels

    Mikhoels’ position as a leader of the Jewish community

    Based on his “leadership” position it looks like he got too big for his shoes, forgot how nasty of a bugger Stalin was, stepped over the line and unsurprisingly “ceased” to be a problem forevermore.

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  414. @Anon

    You’re right. I didn’t read the article because I didn’t think I had to, because I’d heard of Mikhoels before, and I assumed you had not. Most of the Jews killed by Stalin were killed in 1952 or 1953. My mistake,

    Stalin’s mother was from Gori, where he was born also. No Yiddish spoken there either. Remember that the “native” Sprachraum for Yiddish is the Pale of Settlement, quite far from Georgia. Most Jews outside the Pale never spoke it. My ancestors, from Prague and Nuremberg, didn’t.

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  415. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Stalin’s mother was from Gori, where he was born also. No Yiddish spoken there either. Remember that the “native” Sprachraum for Yiddish is the Pale of Settlement, quite far from Georgia. Most Jews outside the Pale never spoke it. My ancestors, from Prague and Nuremberg, didn’t.

    Got no clue what you are talking about. Yiddish was spread throughout Europe and elsewhere after the Germans expelled their Jews some 600 years ago. Since Jews form their own little communities where they inbreed (resulting in probably the majority of the genetic diseases of the human race) any place where those German Jews went, Yiddish went with them and continued to be used.

    Continuing to ask. Since (per you) he didn’t speak Yiddish then when and where did he learn German?

    and why was Stalin the first world leader to recognize Israel?

    其他事实

    Per Putin, over 80% of Bolshviks were Jews – baring other evidence there is at least an 80% chance that Stalin was a Jew

    Stalin joined the Bolshevics when young, many Jews did the same. The vast majority of non-Jews didn’t want anything to do with them.

    His great granddad ZAZA participated in a workers rebellion in the mid 1800-s. That coincides with the communist workers rebellion sparked by the Jews around 1850 all over Europe. They all failed and Marx had to run for his life.

    If Stalin isn’t a Jew then he and his family do an excellent job of copying them.

  416. @Anon

    Got no clue what you are talking about. Yiddish was spread throughout Europe and elsewhere after the Germans expelled their Jews some 600 years ago. Since Jews form their own little communities where they inbreed (resulting in probably the majority of the genetic diseases of the human race) any place where those German Jews went, Yiddish went with them and continued to be used.

    Except they basically went to one place — present-day Ukraine. From there, they were displaced in the 17th century in two directions: further east or back west. The ones that went east continued to speak Yiddish; the ones that went west ended up speaking whatever language was spoken where they moved. Plus, the Jews in southern Europe never spoke German, so they never spoke Yiddish. Jews in Greece spoke Spanish.

    Continuing to ask. Since (per you) he didn’t speak Yiddish then when and where did he learn German?

    Who said he learned German?

    and why was Stalin the first world leader to recognize Israel?

    To beat Truman to the punch.

    其他事实

    Per Putin, over 80% of Bolshviks were Jews – baring other evidence there is at least an 80% chance that Stalin was a Jew

    You could consider that whole Orthodox seminary thing…

    Stalin joined the Bolshevics when young, many Jews did the same. The vast majority of non-Jews didn’t want anything to do with them.

    Nor did most Jews. The vast majority of Jews — the overwhelming majority — joined other parties or were religious and didn’t join parties at all.

    His great granddad ZAZA participated in a workers rebellion in the mid 1800-s. That coincides with the communist workers rebellion sparked by the Jews around 1850 all over Europe. They all failed and Marx had to run for his life.

    Georgia isn’t really “Europe.”

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    , @Anon
    , @Anonymous
  417. @Anon

    One more thing: The revolution in France in 1848 was enormously successful. Ousted the monarchy and ushered in another two decades of Napoleonic rule.

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  418. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Except they basically went to one place — present-day Ukraine.

    Yiddish isn’t just spoken in the Ukraine.

    Who said he learned German?

    Well! It seems he regularly went to a Yiddish theater in Moscow to watch performance in Yiddish.

    A fellow traveler of yours states he didn’t know Yiddish, but knew German instead.

    He understood the plays. So he either knew Yiddish or the closely related German. Your compadre, like yourself declines to believe that Stalin was Jewish and therefore knew Yiddish. His opinion is that Stalin knew German instead.

    So! The question becomes where and when did he learn German?

    Nor did most Jews. The vast majority of Jews — the overwhelming majority — joined other parties or were religious and didn’t join parties at all.

    75% of Jews ended up as Communists Party members, aka foot soldiers for the Bolsheviks. 75% counts as most. It may even make it up to “overwhelming majority”.

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    , @Andrew E. Mathis
  419. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    One more thing: The revolution in France in 1848 was enormously successful. Ousted the monarchy and ushered in another two decades of Napoleonic rule.

    So you admit that Napoleon III was either an ally or a puppet of the Communists? or did he just “disenfranchise” all those Commie backed workers, who worked hard to kill people so they can grab onto power, by grabbing it all himself?

    Foolish workers! or should that be useful idiots?

  420. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    You could consider that whole Orthodox seminary thing…

    May have been the only game in town.

    Georgia isn’t known as a center of learning.

  421. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Georgia isn’t really “Europe.”

    There are Ashkenazi Jews all over the Soviet Union as well as Georgia. Ashkenazi speak Yiddish.

  422. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Anon

    A fellow traveler of yours states he didn’t know Yiddish, but knew German instead.

    Taking this back since it was Ash (I originally thought Marcus) who made the comment that anyone who understands German understands Yiddish. There is no fellow traveler. All of it is Ash, first putting forth a position and then claiming ignorance. It may be a senior moment. Then again it may not be.

    see comments 419 and 421

    Below is Ash

    Further, a person who understands German can usually understand Yiddish with little difficulty.

    Ash in an attempt to discredit my position that Stalin understood the Yiddish plays he regularly went to see, implies that Stalin knew German. Now he claims nobody ever claimed that Stalin knew German. see comment 430.

    Since Stalin understood plays performed in Yiddish, Stalin either knew Yiddish because he was Jewish and learned it at home or he took time out from his busy schedule of robbing and killing people to go to school and learn German. The first option seems MUCH more likely.

    A modern day play based on his patronage of Yiddish theater is “Making Stalin Laugh”.

    Based on the following Ashkenazi Jews entered George roughly 70-80 years before Stalin was born. Ashkenazi Jews speak Yiddish

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_Jews

    In the beginning of the 19th century, Ashkenazi Russian Jews were forced to move to Georgia by the Russian government. The Ashkenazi Jews and the Georgian Jews began establishing contact with each other, but relations were strained. Georgian Jews viewed the Ashkenazim as godless and secular, while the Ashkenazim looked down on the Georgian Jews.

    and I say to those who claim that Georgian Jews do not speak Yiddish EPIC FAIL yet again!

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  423. @Anon

    Ash in an attempt to discredit my position that Stalin understood the Yiddish plays he regularly went to see, implies that Stalin knew German. Now he claims nobody ever claimed that Stalin knew German. see comment 430.

    There’s a difference between what I actually said and what you think I meant. Specifically, my statement that people who can understand German can usually understand Yiddish with little difficulty was made to show that, just because a person went to a Yiddish theater show, it does not mean that s/he is Jewish. Both examples I gave were of non-Jewish people.

    At no point did I concede, and I still don’t, that Stalin attended these plays. If you can prove he did, then please do, but don’t post a URL; rather, post the specific quote where he says this.

    • 回复: @Anon
  424. @Anon

    75% of Jews ended up as Communists Party members, aka foot soldiers for the Bolsheviks.

    谁说的?

  425. Thirdeye 说:
    @Anon

    After the atomic bombing of Hiroshima in August 1945…..,

    Completely unsourced assertions follow. Excellent example of the pitfalls of relying on Wikipedia. But you clearly don’t care about reliable citations if you rely on a site called “jewwatch” for Eisenhower’s biography.

    • 回复: @Anon
  426. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    At no point did I concede, and I still don’t, that Stalin attended these plays.

    But do you concede that at least some Georgians Jews speak Yiddish?

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  427. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Thirdeye

    Completely unsourced assertions follow.

    Wikipedia doesn’t require sourcing for stuff like “the sky is blue”, “the day is 24 hours” or for that matter “the Commie Soviets helped out their buddies the Commie Chinese”

    Go over there and get the article changed if you think it is wrong. I gotta warn you though, wiki editors tend to blithering idiots with a superiority complex. If you join their club you will become one of them, if you don’t they will treat you like poop.

  428. tbraton 说:
    @Anon

    “Of Woodrow Wilson the famous Dr. H.J. Boldt wrote as follows: “Woodrow Wilson was a Sephardic Jew…The name of his parents was Wohlson ‑‑ a German‑Jewish name; they came from Germany, and went to England where they were known as Mr. and Mrs. Wolfson and when they landed here in America they called themselves Wilson.” ”

    Apparently, you like to pull a lot of things right out of your ass. If you were a bull, I would say that quoted paragraph is total bullshit. But, since I am sure you are not a bull, I will drop the “bull” part of my word.

    He was named Thomas Woodrow Wilson after his mother’s father, the Reverend Thomas Woodrow. According to A. Scott Berg’s recent Pulitzer Prize winning biography, “Wilson,” “The Reverend Woodrow was but one of the newborn’s numerous ancestors who were ministers—all followers of Martin Luther. . . .” In light of the fully documented ancestry of Woodrow Wilson, I am astounded that you are so ready to post worthless, made-up crap as part of your little worthless game.

    According to your favorite online encyclopedia, Wikipedia:

    “Wilson was born to an ethnic Scots-Irish family in Staunton, Virginia, on December 28, 1856, at 18–24 North Coalter Street (now the Woodrow Wilson Presidential Library).[11] He was the third of four children of Joseph Ruggles Wilson (1822–1903) and Jessie Janet Woodrow (1826–1888).[12] Wilson’s paternal grandparents immigrated to the United States from Strabane, County Tyrone, Ireland (now Northern Ireland), in 1807. His mother was born in Carlisle, Cumberland, England, the daughter of Rev. Dr. Thomas Woodrow from Paisley, Scotland, and Marion Williamson from Glasgow.[13] This was one of the Border Counties, which supplied many immigrants to the North American colonies in the late 18th century.
    Joseph Wilson’s immigrant family settled in Steubenville, Ohio. There his father published a pro-tariff and anti-slavery newspaper, The Western Herald and Gazette.[14]
    After marrying, Joseph and Jessie Wilson moved to the South in 1851 and came to fully identify with it, moving from Virginia deeper into the region as Wilson was called to be a minister in Georgia and South Carolina. Joseph Wilson owned slaves, defended slavery, and also set up a Sunday school for his slaves. Both parents identified with the Confederacy during the American Civil War; they cared for wounded soldiers at their church, and Wilson’s father briefly served as a chaplain to the Confederate Army.[15] ”

    Notice that Wilson’s paternal grandparents immigrated to the U.S. in 1807 from Northern Ireland and settled in Ohio, where Wilson’s father published a newspaper. So much for your utterly worthless claim that both of his parents were German-Jews who immigrated from Germany to England and emigrated from England to the U.S.

  429. Anon • 免责声明 说:

    Apparently, you like to pull a lot of things right out of your ass. If you were a bull, I would say that quoted paragraph is total bullshit. But, since I am sure you are not a bull, I will drop the “bull” part of my word.

    I was asked to look up the background of a few presidents and that is what I found. There are actually dozens of sites referencing H.J. Boldt and Wilson. Are they true? I don’t know.

    I do know that he took \$50,000 (\$3 million in todays dollars) from Jewish NY Bankers in his run for the presidency and in return signed off on the Federal Reserve Act, giving those same Jews the ability to create money from nothing.

    Whatever else can we agree that some Georgian Jews can speak Yiddish, and that it is a fact that in his West Point Yearbook, Eisenhower was described as the terrible Swedish Jew?

    • 回复: @tbraton
  430. @Anon

    You mean that some Jews who live in Georgia spoke it? Sure, but they were not originally from Georgia, and they had names like Ivanov and not names like Sheverdnadze.

    Stalin’s last name was clearly Georgian. Thus, even if we accepted the idea that he was Jewish — and I don’t — he wouldn’t have been a Yiddish speaker.

    • 回复: @Anon
  431. tbraton 说:
    @Anon

    “I was asked to look up the background of a few presidents and that is what I found. There are actually dozens of sites referencing H.J. Boldt and Wilson. Are they true? I don’t know.”

    Notice how your worthless style is to root around the internet, find some useless shit and then throw it against the wall to see if it sticks. When challenged, simply walk away, mutter something like “I don’t know, and don’t bother to defend the shit you posted. Then raise other shit that wasn’t even raised in the post, like Stalin’s knowledge of Yiddish and a jocular reference in a yearbook to Eisenhower as a “terrible Swedish Jew.” Do you really think that Eisenhower was Swedish and not Pennsylvania Dutch or is this another example of “I don’t know”? You are a worthless troll who doesn’t know shit. If I were The Saker, I would simply bar you from posting on the blog.

    • 回复: @Anon
  432. ion 说:
    @Thirdeye

    Timothy Snyder also had an essay on the Stalin vs Hitler debate that’s worth reading:

    Hitler vs. Stalin: Who Was Worse?

  433. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @tbraton

    Notice how your worthless style is to root around the internet, find some useless shit and then throw it against the wall to see if it sticks.

    Like you saying that Stalin’s last name means son of steel, when steel is not spelled like any part of Stalin’s last name?

    When that fails miserable, you root around the internet and then say he is son of “herd” when herd has only one letter in common with Stalin’s last name.

    Can you say PITIFUL?

    Again Stalin’s last name can be parsed to Djhuga-shivili and literally translates to Judah – son of or son of Judah. The sons of Judah are all Jews.

    Add in that per Putin, over 80% of the early Bolsheviks, were Jews, that per Churchill the majority of early Bolsheviks were Jews, that Stalin created a Jewish Autonomous Republic while killing off the Orthodox priesthood and burning churches, he was the first to recognize Israel, he put Jews in charge of Eastern Europe after WW2 and him being able to speak Yiddish according to a number of sources as well?

    The odds of him being a Jew is 100%.

    • 回复: @tbraton
  434. Anon • 免责声明 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Stalin’s last name was clearly Georgian. Thus, even if we accepted the idea that he was Jewish — and I don’t — he wouldn’t have been a Yiddish speaker.

    Stalin’s last literally name translates to son of Judah.

    We have at least agreed that some Jews in Georgia spoke Yiddish. Now with the inbreeding going on in Jewish communities, what are the odds that a local Georgian man married a Yiddish speaking Ashkenazi speaking Yiddish, and his son got his Jewish last name

    They had a son called Joseph. The husbannd leaves the house for long periods of time, leaving the wife to take case of young Joseph. What language is she going to speak? what language is he going to learn?

    Can you say Yiddish?

    By some accounts Stalin’s mother came from a Yiddish speaking Jewish area, and Stalin’s dad did leave for long periods of time to find work. One place being a Jewish owned shoe factory. Meanwhile his mom worked as a house cleaner for local Jews.

    Jews just keep popping up out of the woodwork. You’d almost think that his family was part of the local Jewish community.

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  435. tbraton 说:
    @Anon

    “Notice how your worthless style is to root around the internet, find some useless shit and then throw it against the wall to see if it sticks.

    Like you saying that Stalin’s last name means son of steel, when steel is not spelled like any part of Stalin’s last name?

    When that fails miserable, you root around the internet and then say he is son of “herd” when herd has only one letter in common with Stalin’s last name.”

    I just found out that “Anon” means “son of shit” in Georgian. What I took issue with was your made up contention that Wilson’s parents were actually German Jews who emigrated to Britain and from there to the U.S. That contention, as I proved conclusively, is total bullshit, since Wilson’s paternal grandparents emigrated to the U.S., his paternal grandfather published a paper in Ohio and his father was born and raised in Ohio. As to the other issues you mention, I believe you are confusing me with other posters who raised them. That is testament to your utter brainlessness.

  436. @Anon

    Stalin’s last literally name translates to son of Judah.

    No, it really doesn’t. Using your argument, the capital of the ancient world was actually “Rope,” not “Rome.”

    We have at least agreed that some Jews in Georgia spoke Yiddish. Now with the inbreeding going on in Jewish communities,

    And there’s where your argument went off the rails again. As you would know if you’d consulted even one source on the topic, the communities didn’t intermarry.

    what are the odds that a local Georgian man married a Yiddish speaking Ashkenazi speaking Yiddish, and his son got his Jewish last name

    Slim to none, depending on when you’re talking about. If you’re talking about Stalin’s father, Stalin’s mother also had a Georgian name: Geladze.

    They had a son called Joseph. The husbannd leaves the house for long periods of time, leaving the wife to take case of young Joseph. What language is she going to speak? what language is he going to learn?

    Can you say Yiddish?

    One of the interesting things about reading history is that you learn new things. Yesterday, I learned that Stalin only spoke Georgian and Russian, the latter with a very heavy accent. On trips overseas, he routinely had to have interpreters. Most of the other Bolshevik leaders spoke French or German, sometimes both. And of course, many spoke Yiddish. But not Stalin.

    By some accounts Stalin’s mother came from a Yiddish speaking Jewish area, and Stalin’s dad did leave for long periods of time to find work. One place being a Jewish owned shoe factory. Meanwhile his mom worked as a house cleaner for local Jews.

    There are no such accounts.

    Jews just keep popping up out of the woodwork. You’d almost think that his family was part of the local Jewish community.

    Do you ever get tired of being so monumentally wrong?

    • 回复: @dcite
  437. Anon • 免责声明 说:

    Yesterday, I learned that Stalin only spoke Georgian and Russian, the latter with a very heavy accent. On trips overseas, he routinely had to have interpreters. Most of the other Bolshevik leaders spoke French or German, sometimes both. And of course, many spoke Yiddish. But not Stalin.

    Where did you learn this from? Soviet era records? Those guys that may have killed over 60 million Russians?

    Do Mass Murderers make reliable sources?

    • 回复: @Andrew E. Mathis
  438. @Anon

    I read it in a history textbook, M.K. Dziewanowski’s Russia in the Twentieth Century. Hardly an apologist for the Soviets.

  439. Jimmie Moglia’s video series on Stalin is insightful; thanks Saker

    Moglia opens with this caution: Stalin being a controversial character on a par with Hitler 伊塔克 Satan, objectivity about him is difficult to achieve, since many come to their perceptions about Stalin ideologically at a time when events demand objectivity.

    “Ideology is a sanction or authoritative doctrine not supported by rational argument; the sanctions act as a triple waiver:

    1 Intellectual – considering only facts favorable to the thesis one supports, either by obfuscation or omission;
    2. Practical – denying value to any objection or confutation
    3. Moral – abolishing notions of good and evil. Ideology = a substitute for morality . . . Living without an ideology requires that one possess appropriate knowledge — demands intense study [rather than facile bullet-point-think]”.

    Moglia quotes Bertoldt Brecht, worth memorizing:

    “Those who are against fascism without being against capitalism, who lament over the barbarism that comes out of barbarism, are like people who wish to eat their veal without slaughtering the calf. They are willing to eat the calf, but they dislike the sight of blood. They are easily satisfied if the butcher washes his hands before weighing the meat. They are not against the property relations which engender barbarism; they are only against barbarism itself. They raise their voices against barbarism, and they do so in countries where precisely the same property relations prevail, but where the butchers wash their hands before weighing the meat.”

    The third keen insight Moglia offers is this — a riff on Kennan’s perspective: the seeds of Stalin’s Communism are to be found not in Marx and Lenin but in Russia’s classic 19th century literature — “key to the Russian soul” — Dostoevsky and Tolstoy, and the origins of their ideas in French revolutionary thinkers.

    Moglia discusses in detail the characteristics of Russian names and of Stalin’s given name, his patronymic, the way his mother referred to him in endearments, etc., but not a mention of any Jewish origins.

  440. dcite 说:
    @tbraton

    Yes, I think it does. Everyone knows the Spanish are the table dancers. Or is it the Greeks?

    • 回复: @tbraton
  441. tbraton 说:
    @dcite

    “Yes, I think it does. Everyone knows the Spanish are the table dancers. Or is it the Greeks?”

    Then, I am definitely going to report Dominique to the P.C. Police. BTW is Dominique a male, female or, heaven forbid, a transgender? If the latter, that might give him/her a pass.

    The only thing I know (and that is strictly from watching “Zorba the Greek” 50 years ago) is that Greeks like to dance alone (probably because they don’t like to be led and are incapable of leading) and then smash a lot of plates afterward. I think the humorless colonels banned that activity from 1967 to 1974, and that was the major reason they were overthrown by the Greeks and democracy restored.

    • 回复: @dcite
  442. dcite 说:
    @tbraton

    Greeks smashed plates to show their contempt for Venetian glass makers just across the Adriatic. Never mind. I made that up. But it seems right.

    • 回复: @tbraton
  443. dcite 说:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Stalin was a seminary student at one time. Doesn’t sound at all Jewish.
    All dictators are high-functioning psychos and all the average person can hope for is that they pass over quickly like a lowering black funnel cloud, without touching down.
    I’ve been feeling this way about American “government” for some time.
    I knew a American Jewish communist sympathizer who idolized Stalin, and named his cat Trotsky. After reading this article, that is hard to reconcile — but you can’t name a cat Stalin, now can you?

  444. tbraton 说:
    @dcite

    Whether you made it made up doesn’t matter, as long as you captured the essence of truth. Your remark rings true in that smashing plates (even though they were paid for by the Greeks doing the smashing) was sort of symbolic payback for the Fourth Crusade where the Venetians conquered and ruled Constantinople for 60 years and stole a lot of Greek stuff. In the same way the U.S. paid back the Muslim world for the 3000 victims of 9/11 by invading Iraq and losing more than 4000 American soldiers. That will make a Muslim country think twice before it has no connection to a future attack on the U.S.

  445. athEist 说:
    @NoseytheDuke

    I was not aware the Czar and his family died of thirst(in their own desert) but from Bolshevik bullets.
    Not that I disapprove, but they shot the Czar, his wife, their 5 children, his doctor, two faithful servants and his dog. Surely the dog should have been saved.

  446. athEist 说:
    @Rick Johnson

    Ask Alice, I think she’ll know. But chronologically, you’re right.

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  448. Anonymous • 免责声明 说:
    @Jason Bayz

    Yep, when I read this I lost all interest. Evidently the writer has no stomach for facts. There is a small movement in the USA that would like his membership, they wear white sheets, pointy hats, and have a little trouble correctly spelling the word “clan”.

    There’s a a special hell reserved for people like him.

  449. Anonymous [AKA "Bojan"] 说:

    When you read Solzhenitsyn and take anything he writes seriously, you must consider that even Robert Conquest couldn’t outfabricate death toll to prescribe to USSR. Robert Conquest, the most biased and rusophobic historian in the whole wide world.

  450. Adûnâi 说:

    Some groups in Russia are outright “mental”. The worst in the lot are the rabid Russian nationalists who think of themselves as Orthodox Christians and who actually believe that Stalin was, I kid you not, a Christian saint!!! I will spare you the full fairy tale these folks have come up with, but their bottom line is that at one point in Stalin’s life he remembered his early early education as a student in an Orthodox seminary and that he began to “resurrect Russia” at which point, you guessed it, “the Jews” killed him. They refer to him as “святой мученик Иосиф жидами убиенный”或“被犹太人杀害的圣烈士约瑟夫”。

    What is wrong with such a reading? Traditional Christianity is not far from Stalinism, at least, in their actions. A strong state, a manly hierarchical order, a sacred doctrine, hatred towards foreigners and other LGBT elements…

  451. Sam J. 说:
    @Marcus

    “…The “holodomor” is Ukrainian nationalist agitprop, millions of people of various nationalities died due to horrible mismanagement and neglect…”

    Let’s see…people come and take away all your food and it’s…mismanagement.

  452. Bolteric 说:

    Thank you 3X !

    I find Russian History fascinating, and I am happy to hear this true “revisionist” version. I don’t need to reiterate your conclusions about Stalin. Frankly, I would also benefit from (re)reading a standard version from high school history textbooks. Which high school system would it be though: East or West?!

    I mentioned to another Russian commentator here that I considered the assassination of the Czar and his Royal Family to be the most historically significant act of the XXth century…

    Too much hinged on that one event.

    That said, it pleases me to see that your people take such pride in their roots. Ultimately, I think people from all over the world – including Jews – can take pride in their heritage without needing to bring harm to others.

    I would be interested in learning more about Vladimir Putin and going beyond the simple Wikipedia article which is so underhanded. Again I don’t know for certain who any other these guys are – living or dead – so I do want to avoid uncritical praise or ignorant blame.

    Please keep writing Mr. Saker.

    PS – I first read your more recent 2020 February article that discusses Solzhenitsyn and Rezun and their genuine merits. Then I read this one. Both were eye opening! And I have not even read Solzhenitsyn yet! I have thoroughly read Dostoyevski though, in fact I took an entire course on him 20+ years ago in School in California.

    Thank you too Mr. Unz for bringing this man’s ideas to your site.

  453. soll 说:
    @Anon

    Hitler came about because of the German Hyperinflation, which was caused by printing money to pay off the ruinous reparations demanded by the UK, France et all after WW1.

    Germany’s hyperinflation had already ended by 1924, solved by the Dawes Plan which established investments from around the world, although this largely came via J.P. Morgan & Co. in the United States. It resulted in the acclaimed. Golden Age of the Weimar Republic, 1924-1927 before the Stock Market crash of 1928 caused these dependant investments to be recalled to protect J.P. Morgan & Co itself from failing.

    The economy of the Third Reich for example all throughout the 1930s struggled to even reach the peak income of 1927. The economy of Weimar was more efficient than Hitler’s Germany only with the stock market crash came it’s failure being so dependant on such investments.

    Germany had no problems paying their reparations, they hardly paid anything even with the revised Young Plan of 1929. As stated by German historian Peter Fritzsche, claims of alleged harshness only came to be accepted after 1933–he calls it a false memory of Nazi propaganda which still lasts even today. Yet in scholarship such claims have been readily dismissed since the 1970s when the archives were opened for the first time.

    Stephen A. Schuker is the authority of this topic, along side Sally Marks, both obscure experts to the mainstream, never appearing in docs etc. they never seeked any attention. Germany’s hyperinflation had started during WW1 before reparations had even been raised, this was an excuse used by the Germans in 1922 to avoid paying the French.

    Today people claim the hyperinflation of 1922-23, avoiding Sally Marks critique that people casually avoid how Germany’s hyperinflation had persisted since WW1. see, The Myth of Reparations by Sally Marks, and American Reparations to Germany, 1919-1931 by Stephen A. Schuker

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