Baltic labour migration traditions have deep roots in time – mercenaries from Latvia were fighting together with Greeks against Carthaginians in Sicilia:

Chemical isotopes in the mercenaries’ bones indicated that the soldiers were born far away and that their parents and grandparents were not immigrants. And the ancient genomes were sequenced and compared to all published genomes, Dr. Reich said: “The ones those new genomes are closest to are those from Ukraine and Latvia.”

Dr. Mittnick speculated that the hirelings may have arrived at Himera with the army led by the tyrant Gelon of Syracuse. Diodorus wrote of 10,000 foreign “colonists” whom Gelon later rewarded with citizenship, although their geographic origins are unknown.

“We know that many of the young men in the mass graves likely grew up outside of the Mediterranean but might have come to Sicily for the promise of citizenship or monetary rewards,” Dr. Mittnick said.

Beyond highlighting the disparate genetic backgrounds of troops, the research showed that genetic ancestry informed which bodies were interred in which graves. “The intentional groupings of foreigners sheds light on the internal logic of the identity constructions of Greek colonists,” Dr. Reitsema said.

Foreign fighters from a variety of backgrounds were buried in the same mass graves: sufficiently respected to be buried in the necropolis but still differentiated from many other persons of Greek descent. The smaller mass graves, in which soldiers probably were Greek, show the signs of greatest care in body placement and burial objects, indicating greater reverence or prestige than the outlanders.

https://postimg.cc/0zLQGKR6

https://www.thearchaeologist.org/blog/this-2500-year-old-mass-grave-of-troops-from-the-second-battle-of-himera-in-sicily-hides-a-a-revelation-about-ancient-greece

In response to ’s post from before, from the previous open thread here:

Huge difference between a Socialist Revolutionary-led Russia after WWI and a Bolshevik-led Russia after WWI: The former would be much less dictatorial, brutal, and totalitarian than the latter would be, thus being likely to generate much less Ukrainian, including Galician, resentment towards it.

I don’t think that Russia in whatever form that it found itself in at the end of WWI would do something like that, it already had enough on its plate to deal with, especially to help solidify Ukrainian statehood.

It would be less to solidify Ukrainian statehood per se and more to solidify Ukrainian loyalty towards Russia by uniting Ukrainians under the Russian flag/aegis. Since Russia sacrificed millions of its own soldiers’ lives during WWI, shouldn’t it at least get Galicia as compensation for this, after all?

I’m asking about this because without both the Bolsheviks (Communists) and Putin, there would be a lot less Russo-Ukrainian ill-will right now.

Here’s the human capital case for Russia seizing Galicia a century ago:

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/geography-of-ukraine-iq/

Even back then, Galicia was the most literate region of Ukraine due to it being under Austro-Hungarian and not Russian rule.

Considering that up to 5th century upper Dnieper basin population might have been Baltic speaking, could it have been some whole ancient Baltic tribe somehow travelling (10,000 foreign “colonists” whom Gelon later rewarded with citizenship) into Greece?

Various archeological monuments and the prevalence of Baltic hydronyms indicate that by the end of the Neolithic period (c. 3rd to 2nd millennium BC), there were several closely related, at least hypothetically Baltic, cultures in Central and Eastern Europe, which were the Pamariai, (Late) Narva, and (Late) Nemunas cultures. The earliest of them is the Pamariai culture, which covered only a narrow part of the southeastern coast of the Baltic Sea.

During the Bronze (c. 2nd to 1st millennium BC) and Iron (c. 1st millennium BC to 1st millennium AD) Ages, in the lands to the east and south of modern-day Lithuania and Latvia, there were Baltic (Late) Narva and the Brushed Pottery cultures (the areas of these two cultures included the east of present-day Lithuania and Latvia), the Dnieper-Daugava culture [lt], Milograd, Yukhniv [lt] and the later Dyakovo cultures.

In the 3rd and 5th centuries AD, the aforementioned Baltic cultures of the Dnieper, Daugava and Oka basins transformed into the Kolochin, Tushemlia [lt] and Moshchiny cultures, which existed until the 8th–10th centuries. This transformation was due to the strong influence of the culture of the Western Balts (of the Zarubintsy culture), which moved from the territory of what is now Poland deep into the Dnieper basin as early as the 2nd and 1st centuries BC.

Moshchiny culture is considered to be the ancestor of the Eastern Galindians, who lived in the lands near Moscow and within the Protva river basin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dnieper_Balts

Light purple – potential Baltic speaking tribes:

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The guy surfing with a goat is doing it for instagram. Kind of like this one of cock sucker berg.

Off-topic, but here is a map of the languages of the Ukrainian nobility (in the Russian Empire) back in 1897:

Red = Ukrainian
Blue = Russian
Green = Polish
Yellow = (Crimean) Tatar

The former PLC territories are Polish, the former eastern part of the Cossack Hetmanate is Ukrainian, and Kiev, Novorossiya, and southern Crimea are Russian while northern Crimea is (Crimean) Tatar. Data for Galicia, etc. is not provided here since it wasn’t a part of the Russian Empire.

Amazing footage from the front:
https://funker530.com/video/drone-records-impressive-strikes-on-russian-ammunition-depot/

Looks like a HIMARs attack.

I have been pretty busy with summer stuff so I haven’t been posting as much.

Sorry guys, I’ll try to make it up next week.

Kerch was a Greek colony at the time. The Little Bosporan Kingdom. Easy enough to imagine slaves and concubines coming down the Dneiper to be sold to merchants based in the Aegean.

Byzantium always profited from being a choke point for grain, human traffic and other goods like lumber from the interior of the East too. Much like Turks do today.

The Kiev regime dam destruction did not weaken Russian defensive positions. Poorly trained Ukrainian crews are losing main battle tanks at a disastrous rate. At least 2x Leopard 2A6 and 1x Leopard 2A4.

I feel very sorry seeing troops dying for the European Empire (Scholz and Macron). When will the Ukrainian people get rid of EU puppet Zelensky and seek an armistice?

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I feel very sorry seeing troops dying for the European Empire (Scholz and Macron).

The European Empire is rather glorious, though. Worse than the US and China but better than India and Russia as well as the rest of the world.

Scythians were often used as mercenaries in the Hellenistic wars. They were also used as policemen. The researchers have probably looked at the Y haplogroups, it would be easy to link them to the modern ethnic groups. But perhaps they prefer not being too precise because between Latvia and Ukraine there are Belarus and Russia, the exact area that is usually seen as the Slav urheimat.

Off-topic, but since we’re talking about Crimea, it’s worth noting that there was a Kherson (Cherson) in Crimea centuries+ before there was a Kherson further to the north:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chersonesus

Apparently there is a strong Scythian element in southwestern India?

The Baltic and Slavic languages were probably much closer back then. Possibly mutually understandable. Basically, the Slavs would have been the part of these tribes that had been under stronger Scythian (Indo-Iranian) influence, while modern Balts would have been more influenced by the Ugric Akozino-Malar warrior traders moving towards the Baltic/Scandinavia from their Volga/Uralic original lands.

https://indo-european.eu/2019/06/genetic-continuity-among-uralic-speaking-cultures-in-north-eastern-europe/

I know that Baltic nationalists dislike having the Slavs as nearest related ethnic group and would prefer forgetting about it, mais c’est la vie, nobody can chose what family one is born into.

During nearly a millennium, Scythian cultures controlled a huge span of the Eurasian landmass. Basically from modern day Ukraine to modern day China and India. Their colonies were found as far as Egypt in the MENA region. They are mentioned several times in the Bible, raiding the region, for example in the Book of Job. So yeah, it would be very surprising if these mercenaries were anything else than Scythians.

There is a strong implication that the Greeks had commercial contact well into the interior of the Don and Volga.

That’s fantastic info, thanks for posting that! And for once they seem to have fought on the side that is somewhat dignifying. There is a photo in the article of a grave with a horse – that could be a Western Baltic warrior burial (he may have requested that before his death). This is from a very, very early period, I wonder what else they found near the bones (probably not much) and the height of the skeleton.

Carthago delenda est!

By the way, Vladimir Toporov wrote a lot about Eastern Balts, incl. Dniepr Balts. Ukraine really is our motherland, our cradle. Although the biggest concentration of the hydronyms is in Central Belarus (Berezina river area).

Wait to see the Y haplogroups before being too excited. If it is R1a Z93, as I suspect it would be, then these guys were Scythians who also buried frequently their warriors with their horses (a very old Indo-European tradition). And again, Proto-Balts were probably impossible to distinguish from proto-Slavs at the time. Anyway, I’ll try to see if they posted the haplogroups, if they didn’t one should ask they did not. Probably something they didn’t want to discuss.

By the way, Vladimir Toporov wrote a lot about Eastern Balts, incl. Dniepr Balts. Ukraine really is our motherland, our cradle. Although the biggest concentration of the hydronyms is in Central Belarus (Berezina river area).

Another reason to eventually get Belarus into the EU, no? 😉

: You wanted to know about Israel’s population density, so here it is:

The main avenues for Israel’s population to expand are to the north (Galilee), south (Negev Desert), and east (West Bank settlements). Though I don’t know what the Negev Desert’s carrying capacity actually is.

UN population projections for Ukraine:

The one scenario that they didn’t map out was where Ukraine has a larger post-war baby boom that boosts their TFR up to ~2.5, at least for 2-3 decades, comparable to the West in the post-WWII era. Unlikely but not impossible.

This is also why the Golan Heights could serve as useful living space for Israel, if one ignores the “violation of international law” aspect of this. I mean, it’s not like Syria is actually going to make peace with Israel anytime soon, so …

The one disadvantage of the Golan Heights, though, is that only a part of its topography is actually good for large-scale settlement:

As a side note, had there been no WWI but Russia would have still eventually experienced a (liberal, non-Bolshevik) revolution, with Congress Poland subsequently using the opportunity to separate from Russia, would Austria-Hungary be willing to give up Galicia to Poland (and Bukovina to Romania) as a way of securing an alliance between Poland, itself, and Germany? What do you guys think?

FWIW, Galicia and Bukovina were both located outside of Austria-Hungary’s natural borders (the Carpathian Mountains):

Interestingly enough, Serbia was located within Austria-Hungary’s natural borders, which means that from this specific perspective an Austro-Hungarian conquest of Serbia would have actually been justified lol. Of course, being in the EU is a much better deal for Serbia, I would suspect. But that wasn’t actually on the table 100+ years ago.

A trialist Austria-Hungary, but without Galicia and Bukovina (to Poland and Romania, respectively) and with Serbia and Montenegro in the South Slav Austro-Hungarian federal unit might have actually been ideal:

The Galilee is dominated by Arabs and you pretty much have to be National Religious to live beyond the separation barrier in Judea and Samaria. Also, that region is home to over 2 million Palestinians who presumably aren’t planning on leaving so there really isn’t much room there to expand.

The Negev is just desert. It can’t hold a big population. Israel has been talking about settling the Negev since Ben Gurion was in charge and nothing has happened on that front. Also there are a ton of Bedouin there who the state doesn’t want to tangle with.

Arizona is desert and yet handles a huge population. So is Nevada.

The Galilee isn’t that Arab-dominated; not all of it, at least:

And actually, you don’t need to be religious in order to live in the West Bank. Especially if we’re talking about large cities/suburbs near Israel’s 1967 borders. A lot of secular Israelis live in large Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem, for instance:

I myself lived in Pisgat Ze’ev for a couple of years as a child. It wasn’t heavily religious back then. Probably more religious nowadays, but nowhere near completely. It had and probably still has a lot of ex-USSR Jews and their descendants.

And actually, you don’t need to be religious in order to live in the West Bank. Especially if we’re talking about large cities/suburbs near Israel’s 1967 borders.

I clearly stated “beyond the separation barrier“. The Second Intifada and Disengagement mostly ended secular Jews living in those communities.

And actually, you don’t need to be religious in order to live in the West Bank. Especially if we’re talking about large cities/suburbs near Israel’s 1967 borders.

I clearly stated “outside the separation barrier“. The Second Intifada and Disengagement mostly ended secular Jews living in those communities.

Not surprisingly, the places that felt the most Eastern European — even to other Eastern Europeans — were the most diverse and the most backward in the region. To the cosmopolitan officers of the Austro-Hungarian army, Galicia was one such place:

Galicia, it was purported, contained the highest number of muddy and dusty roads, flies, and lice, as well as the greatest incidence of venereal disease, drunken peasants, and cunning Jews. The Polish landowners would have nothing to do with the Habsburg officers, nor would their daughters. Galicia was a place to get drunk and to stay drunk; to spend the night in shabby cafés, gambling and whoring; to long for civilization; and to make pilgrimages to the railroad station to watch the passing through of the Lemberg–Cracow–Vienna express. (Istvan Deak, Beyond Nationalism: A Social and Political History of the Habsburg Officer Corps, 1848–1918, 1990)

From a rather colorful article, now expanded to a book:

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/goodbye-eastern-europe/

Thomas Jefferson proposed the name Cherronesus for the area between Lakes Huron and Michigan after the supposed homeland of his Saxon forebears in the Cimbric Chersonesus of Jutland. This would mark for him the continued westward expansion of the Germanic peoples.

https://www.amren.com/archives/back-issues/may-1999/

It looks like there was quite a motley crew of these mercenaries – isotopic tests showed that there were individuals from central Europe, northeastern Europe, the Eurasian steppe and the Caucasus. So quite easily there could’ve been both Baltic and Scythian mercenaries.

Two individuals from northeastern Europe are R1a1a1b1a2b and I2a1a(xI2a1a2), so the first one could have easily been an ancestor of Lithuanians, for example, that’s a common Baltic gene. Don’t know about I2 (that’s a Yugo gene but also present in Ukraine?), but I1 is also quite common in Latvian males.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2205272119

Two individuals (I10943/W0396 and I10949/W0403; Sicily_Himera_480BCE_3) fall with modern northeastern European groups and eastern Baltic populations of the first millennium BCE and can be modeled using exclusively Bronze Age individuals from Lithuania as a proxy source.

They combined isotopic tests with genetic so they could tell where they were from.

The Y haplogroup data is at the bottom, in the third attached doc.

Arizona and Nevada have the Rockies and the Colorado River Basin, even then I gather Lake Mead hasn’t risen much, despite the heavy rainfall in the area this winter. Nothing similar in the Negev, would have to be desalination plants, and those require a lot of energy.

Interesting thread on how Bhutan reversed the immigration of Nepalese Indians threatening to overwhelm their homeland, of course required the actions of a patriotic elite implementing top down policies.

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#Baltic

Look it up and see whether it is possible to separate Slav and Baltic Y haplogroup R1a today. It would have been even harder to do it back then.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Road

In Roman times, a main route ran south from the Baltic coast (modern Lithuania), the entire north–south length of modern-day Poland (likely through the Iron Age settlement of Biskupin), through the land of the Boii (modern Czech Republic and Slovakia) to the head of the Adriatic Sea (Aquileia by the modern Gulf of Venice). Along with amber, other commodities such as animal fur and skin, honey, and wax were exported to the Romans in exchange for Roman glass, brass, gold, and non-ferrous metals such as tin and copper to the early Baltic region.[9] As this road was a lucrative trade route connecting the Baltic Sea to the Mediterranean Sea, Roman military fortifications were constructed along the route to protect merchants and traders from Germanic raids.[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Road

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriatic_Veneti

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistula_Veneti

That’s why the German called the Balto-Slav Wends and Finns/Esti/Veps/Korjela called them ethnonyms derived from Venä/Ven’a (see below).

So both Mr Hack & Mr XYZ have posted gay shit – MR link in name.
South park also had a gay character with Mister.

Re: Scythians – found this interesting cuz both male & female fall within it

Haplogroup frequencies of Iron Age Scythians 🏇 n=85

Includes Scythians, Sarmatians, Cimmerians, and Saka (excluding the genetic outliers).

Credit to Evgeny Kray for the art of the Scythian warrior pic.twitter.com/NZDHCeqU1q

— Waters of Memory (@waters_of_mem) May 11, 2023

If he would have taken only Scythian and Saka Y haplogroups it would have been massively R1a. Saka is a major branch of Scythians, Buddha was probably one of them. Sarmatians were a resurgence of an Y haplogroup R1b population from the Botai Culture probably through Sargat Culture where they got admixed with Y haplogroup N Uralics (proto-Hungarian).

BTW, if you’re willing to spend some time using Google translate, I highly recommend the Tg Channel Gandhāra:

https://t.me/gandharan_greek

Some very interesting stuff about the ancient Indo-Scythian Hellenistic Buddhist realm and its connections to the ancient Middle East.

Arizona and Nevada have the Rockies and the Colorado River Basin, even then I gather Lake Mead hasn’t risen much, despite the heavy rainfall in the area this winter.

It is headed up

https://mead.uslakes.info/level.asp

However, the fundamental problem is consumption. The compact for drawing water from the Colorado River was negotiated at value that seemed OK at the time. However, 20/20 hindsight, it is far too high.

Restricting urban growth and taking less productive farm land out of service is the wise course of action. However, politicians cannot sell that realistic balance to voters. Cities can always outbid farmers, so we are likely see almost all of the water use reductions coming from agriculture.

Nothing similar in the Negev, would have to be desalination plants, and those require a lot of energy.

Palestinian Jews can afford desalinization, but water prices are quite high versus America.

The fresh water situation in Muslim occupied Gaza is catastrophic. Iranian forces (Hamas & PIJ) confiscated pipe and concrete that should have been used to maintain infrastructure. System leaks and other issues over drew the aquifer. It is now irrevocably salt contaminated.

Muslim colonists in Gaza do not have sufficient electricity for daily personal consumption. They cannot afford the fuel to run desalinization themselves or import fresh water from elsewhere. At some point, the population has to go down to 250-500K, which can be supported by surface water. An honourable return to Islamist religious homelands would provide the necessary framework for 1.5-2.0MM occupiers to depart for Arabia and/or Persia.

PEACE 😇

the necessary framework for 1.5-2.0MM occupiers to depart for Arabia and/or Persia.

Should put them in Miami or Ft Lauderdale. They need some jews to terrorize or they will get home sick.

Not serious. You missed your calling. You should be in the Israel ethnic cleansing office.

Jatts are mostly R1A, Q & J2 so found it interesting.
Maternal side matches up as well.

Was 40-60 against Jatts being Saka before now 60-40 in favor.
Ultimately Sikhi is Aryavta – so maintain ancestor worship, BUT eh rest is Sikhi.
Not gonna kang about Scythian this or that – Abrahamics can do that LOL.
Guru Sahib has given us Sarbloh (pure steel)

pic.twitter.com/tFsC2ai7uC

— Ghost Of Jünger (@akali_berserker) July 19, 2022

To be a Sanatan Sikh is to recognise Sikhi or Gurmat to be the TRUE Sanatan (ancient) Dharam. Not the it is a petal of a larger lotus.

In response to QCIC’s comment #943 from the previous thread:

I recommend you work to persuade your Ukrainian brethren to shake off the Western spell which has made them pawns and settle this sooner rather than later. As you know I am not so optimistic about the details, but who cares? If we can save a few lives it is worth a lifetime of our everyday toil.

I can appreciate your sentiments, but in the end this translates into an appeasement story that Ukraine is just not ready to travail. I defer to the broad knowledge that Ivashka recently pronounced and seems worth pondering:

Sorry, the quote was made by Ivashka and included sentiments along the line of “war is hell and whoever that doesn’t understand that is a fool….But, some wars are worth fighting.” I can’t find it now, have spent a half hour looking for it and cannot devote any more time to looking for it. If anybody knows where this came from and can repaste it here, I’d be grateful (Ivashka?)…

Sikhi does not believe in Adam and Eve, it doesn’t believe in Prophets, it doesn’t believe in a single life span nor a concept of “sin” stemming from Adam and Eve. It doesn’t believe in judgment day, it doesn’t believe in a linear timed universe. What part of it is abrahamic?

Idk if you’ll like this Ivashka but yea.

There aren’t tough questions. Its just that Muslims can’t comprehend the idea that God can have a form and manifest in the universe in many ways. The Sikh Tradition has a unique philosophy of ‘Anek Hai, Fir Ek Hai’ or Unity and Multiplicity, that the phenomenal world or multiplicity and God are one. God is himself Trigun Ateet or beyond the three guṇas which control the material realm but is also himself the material. I have composed a brief article on this subject –

The water situation will not fix itself. Iran unilaterally created the problem with their failed attacks on Palestinian Jews and successful destruction of Gaza infrastructure.

the necessary framework for 1.5-2.0MM occupiers to depart for Arabia and/or Persia.

Should put them in Miami or Ft Lauderdale…

Well… you admit your idea is not serious, so that is a good start. Would you please make a serious proposal?

The population of Muslim occupied Gaza is beyond its fresh water supply. How do you suggest matching that resource to the population?

-1- Increase the supply (desalinization, imports)?
-2- Decrease the consumption (right of religious return, less population)?
-3- Efficiency?
-4- Other?

#1 is unaffordable. Your pathology rejects the common sense solution #2.

#3 may be able to increase the support for a population of 750K or a bit more. But, it does not solve the problem. The imbalance is not close enough for efficiency to fully cure the issue.

What is your #4? Offer something positive & constructive instead of throwing stones.
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How many decades have Arafat & Abbas been saying “No!”? What has it gotten the Muslim colonists in Gaza, Judea, and Samaria?

Why not change course towards something that might work?

PEACE 😇

When will the Ukrainian people get rid of EU puppet Zelensky and seek an armistice?

80% of Ukrainians oppose giving land to Russia even if it means a longer war
https://news.yahoo.com/over-80-ukrainians-oppose-territorial-124000569.html

Which means Zelensky is following the will of the people.

The Ukrainians don’t want to live under a dwarf dictator and his totalitarian state. They never wanted to be part of the USSR either.

Putin could end this war at any time by moving his troops back to his border. They are the world’s largest country and have a population in decline. This war was never needed and is really just the result of an insecure old man trying to inflate his hopeless ego.

Look at these Russians that were captured:

More conscripts in mismatched camo.

They are clearly thin from being malnourished.

Thrift store camo and vodka for the troops.

That’ll do dwarf, that’ll do.

TIME Magazine wins stupidest headline award.

Apparently they have retconned it and applied a new title. However, the internet is forever.

PEACE 😇

What is your #4? Offer something positive & constructive instead of throwing stones.

Hmm. A positive and constructive proposal for the governance of useless eaters. I’m not in government. It appears they are investing their research budget in surveillance and ethnic selective biological warfare armaments.

Nobody is going to take them except the grim reaper. The same destiny is waiting for all of us.

This is not about appeasement of Russia. That is a children’s level slogan made to cover up the Western goal of entirely subjugating Russia as the final step of the Cold War. The Western actions against Russia from the 1990’s to the present are very clear. Any intelligent person who does not include this context in their view of the Ukraine conflict is being willfully evasive.

Without Western lies and promotion this conflict could have been much different. People in the pro-Ukraine camp still seem to see the kernel of the “good fight”, either Ukrainians vs evil Russians or maybe Ukraine against evil Russian Imperialism. In the USA it is promoted as the good West vs bad Russian Imperialism. In reality it is the West (globalists, really) trying to break up a potential challenger. Not much thought is given to dealing with a partner country as a peer. Instead, someone must be the top dog and the other must heel or die horribly. The GloboWest is the biggest bully in history, now working to crush modern Russia which has a long legacy of being a pretty tough bully in her own right. A bully which had the audacity to stand up to the full onslaught of the West more than once.

So both Mr Hack & Mr XYZ have posted gay shit

Let’s hope it’s just Pride Month fervor. To be fair, I’ve never seen Mr Hack engage in such behavior but XYZ’s graphic descriptions of his weird inclinations are getting tiresome. Who needs to learn about them?

And certainly no regime has ever manufactured consent, or benefited from circumstances leaving those most affected by the war or least represented in government to be unable to respond to the survey. And most certainly no video evidence of widespread desertion, Deployment of barrier troops, or conscription officers seizing men off the streets and dragging them away in white vans.

We can also trust that the videos of soldiers in Ukrainian uniform and white armbands decapitating soldiers wearing Russian uniforms and yellow armbands are totally evidence of totally real Russian war crimes.

Without Western lies and promotion this conflict could have been much different. People in the pro-Ukraine camp still seem to see the kernel of the “good fight”, either Ukrainians vs evil Russians or maybe Ukraine against evil Russian Imperialism.

Do you acknowledge that most Ukrainians do not want to live under Russian rule?

Poll shows that 80% of Ukrainians oppose territorial concessions, even at risk of protracted war
https://news.yahoo.com/over-80-ukrainians-oppose-territorial-124000569.html

A simple yes or no.

In reality it is the West (globalists, really) trying to break up a potential challenger.

If the West didn’t get involved then would it be Russian imperialism? Do explain.

Well the world correctly believes Putin was responsible.

He is now viewed not only as a mass killer of people but also zoo animals
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1777876/zoo-animals-drown-ukraine-dam-russia-attack

Boy this 3 day special operation is really going well.

I didn’t want to let the cat out of the bag about Sher Singh…

Some cats get stuck in the bag and never come out. 🙂

So apparently the RusFed side moved 20K or so troops from Kherson to the Zapo region, right before the dam broke… as a result, they have reinforcements in Zapo, but Kherson is flooded (humanitarian catastrophe). This is just an insane way to try to avoid the unavoidable. It’d be hilariously funny if it weren’t so deeply tragic.

Those poor captured soldiers, give them a sandwich already.

Another uninformed speculation by someone who knows only selective history…

The trialist Austria-Hungary idea was based on the Czechs getting their own state, you leaving the out makes no sense. It was the Czech deputies in the Vienna Parliament who paralyzed the Habsburg rule and the Czechs who administered the coup-de-grace to the Habsburg Empire when they declared Czecho-Slovakia in October 1918.

“Galicia”, “Bukovina” were remote provinces added quite late to the Empire, they were relatively insignificant. They also had Orthodox population lorded over by the Polish wanna-be nobility…not a sound basis for a national state.

Bro, don’t forget the classic

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/21/two-walruses-die-at-vladimir-putin-backed-oceanarium/

not a sound basis for a national state.

It doesn’t look like too bad a prototype for what the elite brains in Brussels think they are going to make out of the EU.

The trialist Austria-Hungary idea was based on the Czechs getting their own state, you leaving the out makes no sense. It was the Czech deputies in the Vienna Parliament who paralyzed the Habsburg rule and the Czechs who administered the coup-de-grace to the Habsburg Empire when they declared Czecho-Slovakia in October 1918.

Would Slovakia be included in the Czech federal unit within Austria-Hungary?

“Galicia”, “Bukovina” were remote provinces added quite late to the Empire, they were relatively insignificant. They also had Orthodox population lorded over by the Polish wanna-be nobility…not a sound basis for a national state.

They were going to get added to Poland and Romania, not become their own states.

First you wrote this:

Another uninformed speculation by someone who knows only selective history

And then you wrote this:

Galicia”, “Bukovina” were remote provinces added quite late to the Empire, they were relatively insignificant. They also had Orthodox population lorded over by the Polish wanna-be nobility

Galicia had Greek Catholic not Orthodox population.

Polish nobility were not “wanna-be” and there were also Ukrainian/Ruthenian nobility in Galicia. The president of the West Ukrainian People’s Republic was one of them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yevhen_Petrushevych

not a sound basis for a national state

Slovakia had a worse peasant to foreign noble ratio than Galicia.

Galicia had Greek Catholic not Orthodox population.

Yep, the Uniate Church, which was essentially a Roman Catholic Church but with Eastern Orthodox rites formed by the 1596 Union of Brest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Brest

Many more Ukrainians used to be Uniates; the situation in 1750 (Uniates in orange):

Only Galicia remained Uniate since it remained outside of Russian rule.

Before 1596, all Ukrainians were Eastern Orthodox, I think. A map for 1573:

Had Congress Poland ever broken away from Russia without WWI (as a result of a successful revolution in Russia, albeit a non-Bolshevik one), it would have made sense to give Poland all of Galicia (rather than only western Galicia) if Ukraine itself would not have broken away from Russia during this time. Galicia was perceived as being a part of “core Poland” in the days of the PLC:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian%E2%80%93Ruthenian_Commonwealth

The proposed Ruthenian federal unit within the PLC would not have included Galicia. And Galicia also had a huge Polish minority until WWII:

For the EU to become a multinational federation akin to Austria-Hungary, especially the proposed United States of Austria, unanimous consent among EU member states would have to be required, no? Else, the EU would remain the loose confederation that it currently is. Enough to become a huge player on the global stage, but also with enough national sovereignty preserved for its various member states.

Just a note. The bottom map exaggerates the Polish population because it is based on the language not ethnicity. Many Jews and many urban Ukrainians (about 40% of the ones in Lviv) were Polish speaking (comparable to urban Russian-speaking ethnic Ukrainians in modern Kiev).

Hmm. A positive and constructive proposal for the governance of useless eaters. I’m not in government.
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Nobody is going to take them except the grim reaper. The same destiny is waiting for all of us.

Islam claims one of its pillars is charity. The Muslim occupiers in Gaza, Judea, & Samaria are trapped as “useless eaters”. Islamic nations keep them in an failed colonies with limited water, power, & opportunity. How is this charitable?

The right of religious return is an option to break the impasse. Instead of being useless, Muslims can leave disastrous colonies on Jewish & Christian land in Palestine. They can restart their lives in places that meet their basic physical & spiritual needs. In their ancestral homelands they can aspire to be useful.

PEACE 😇

Off-topic, but I owe you a response to your previous post here:

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-220/#comment-6005333

The situation is very dire now. Regardless of the borders, this calamity is now spreading and crawling into more and more spaces. You might fear escalation, looking from the West (and, ofc, this is reasonable), but Ukrainian POV is different – what they have gone through is simply too much, after every vicious missile attack they keep asking “Is this not enough of an escalation?”. Some say that the recent spill can be compared to a nuclear blast in terms of its consequences, especially on the left bank. With a huge war like this, the logic is that sooner or later, if it doesn’t stop by one side winning, then the war goes into the enemy territory. It’s called the boomerang, it’s the internal logic of war. If your house was being fired at and your children being fired at from another house, you would hit that other window immediately. It’s basic logic and that’s how they think on the ground there. The things they say on Ukrainian YT channels and on the Russian tv are even crazier than some of the things discussed on this forum.

Belgorod is actually a well maintained place, the infrastructure in the region is quite good, lots of new houses, it’s a real shame what things have come to. By the way, it is mostly Russian forces firing at the rebels, they are doing this instead of sending in spetsnaz (although it seems some units are indeed there), they are firing missiles that are hitting people’s homes. It is really dire there, the Volunteer Corps had casualties.

That makes sense. I suppose that, as AP says, Russia blurred the difference between Kherson and Belgorod by declaring both to be a part of Russia. If Kherson can be attacked (liberated) by Ukraine, then why not Belgorod as well?

But I still think that strikes into Russia proper should have logic that will help the Ukrainian war effort rather than simply being meant to scare Russia.

I also really like the spaika of Larionov that the Volunteer Corps is using but that one is more ideological and far right so may not be for everybody.

What’s a spaika?

Why are you so focused on this idea of “economies of scale”? Do you feel they don’t have a big enough population already to ramp up wide scale production? I think they do. Many of their products could compete with the price. The price is lower even than Lithuanian products. Although that might change with the growing labor shortage.

Btw, the economic cooperation with the EU was growing even without them being in the EU (or without any kind of special agreements). They were starting to both invest and export more. It was on the track for growth. It’s really messed up that it was interrupted. I wonder if the Kremlin clique who started the war were aware of this growth. They totally pulled a plug on something that would’ve benefitted the Russian entrepreneurs.

Russia still maintained some economic ties with the EU pre-2022 (Nordstream 2, for instance), but economic ties with the EU would have been more extensive had Russia not gotten involved in Ukraine ever since 2014, including in Crimea.

As for economies of scale, this is what Anatoly Karlin previously wrote about this topic (note: I do NOT endorse his aggressive expansionism):

https://akarlin.com/regathering-of-the-russian-lands/

This brings us to something more in the realm of speculation as opposed to something that Putin definitely thinks. But here goes. The value of Ukraine is not in its territory, nor less its sovok rustbelt industries, nor even less its position on the invasion route to Moscow (spoiler: We live in the ICBM age). Ukraine’s value is, forgive the triteness, in its people, or its human capital – namely, 35 million 95+ IQ people who are very close to and compatible with Russians, who are indeed an intrinsic part of the All Russian nation. Now if Russia was prepared to expend a rather high cost in welfare funds and knock on effects on integrating 1.5 million genuinely quite “alien” Chechens, then paying a drastically more modest price (per capita) for 35 million of its own kith and kin is eminently rational. Although Russia’s 145 million people can still generate sufficient economies of scale to maintain political sovereignty and to run a largely self-contained technological civilization, complete with its own IT ecosystem (read: sovereign memetic space, “socially distanced” from the Woke nihilism of the West), space program, and technological visions. But creating and then sustaining such a world-civilization will certainly be considerably easier in a restored “Russian World” that unites Russians, Belorussians, and Ukrainians under one banner in a Slavic superpower of 200 million people stretching from Brest to Vladivostok

I think that Russia as a civilizational space would be much more attractive if it would have had much more elite science production and R & D spending, though. And AI won’t make the issue of human capital irrelevant IMHO since just like smarter people can use search engines more effectively, smarter people are also likely going to be capable of using AI more effectively as well, such as with smarter and more creative prompts.

They could cultivate their own talent. The EU is already very large at this point and there are internal issues that need to be taken care of, there is an ongoing struggle over the power dynamic there that will take up a lot of energy in the years to come. Also, Russia would need to comply with democratic standards, they should do it for their own sake, first and foremost, but I’m not sure there is a will for that. They need to figure out for themselves if they are a European, Eurasian or their own kind of civilization and there is a plurality of opinions about that. Frankly, I don’t think outsiders such as Russia or China should be given much access or say over the EU market and politics unless they show long term amicability and fairness. They live by different rules.

Obviously Russia will need to democratize, stop killing its own dissidents (including abroad), pay wart reparations to Ukraine, withdraw back to its 2013 borders, et cetera for it to actually become eligible to join the EU. But even so, the EU already has plans to expand even further–specifically into the western Balkans, Moldova, Ukraine, and possibly Georgia if all of these countries will actually reform up to the EU’s standards. So, expanding into Russia wouldn’t be all that radical from the EU’s perspective. The EU can also consider expanding into Turkey, which is fairly moderate for a Muslim country and also has relatively high human capital by global standards and whose EU candidacy has the endorsement of notoriously “Islamophobic” Poland.

That would be heaven on earth. One can only dream. 🤍💙🤍

Yep. 🙂

Frankly, I think it becomes less authentic if it’s located outside of the traditional Orthodox space, but, ofc, there are Orthodox churches in the US and they seem to be doing fine.

I don’t think that black Africans practicing Hinduism in Ghana makes their Hinduism less authentic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_in_Ghana

https://www.bbc.com/news/10401741

I would apply the very same logic to Third Worlders practicing Eastern (Russian) Orthodox Christianity. As in, this wouldn’t make it any less authentic.

You mentioned a Saudi prince possibly buying Lucasfilm. That rumor has been floated with an absurd $8B price tag.

Personally, I am dubious. Is it a trial balloon to attempt to obtain a better offer from George Lucas? That is my gut feel.

PEACE 😇

…Would Slovakia be included in the Czech federal unit within Austria-Hungary?

That was the main stumbling block. More realistic Habsburgs (and the Austrian elite) were by 1910 ready to restructure the Empire and give the Slavs (primarily Czechs, but also Poles, Slovenes…) an equal treatment. But Budapest was dead set against it – they wanted a Magyar-run unitary Hungary where Magyars accounted for little over 40%. That was an almost unresolvable dilemma finally resolved by A-H losing in WW1.

If Magyars had agreed to the necessary compromise they would have been much better off territorially. Since they fought to the bitter end they ended up losing 2/3 of the territory and the borders were drawn by the winners. In effect Prague defeated Budapest with Vienna standing aside.

Ukies should consider that refusing to make a compromise early can lead to a total loss. But I doubt they would be allowed to act rationally.

OMG! LMFAO! It appears this idiot is just trying to claim Etruscans ( Russians who found their way to what is Italy “coincidentally” 25oo years before, the exact period this anti-historical BS this idiot is linking to is claiming to have started at)….. as Baltics.

Hilariously with this idiotic propaganda he is trying to spin the great failure of post-Soviet Baltics – dying, mass depopulation from emmigration……..as some ancient “quality” of these people!

So faced with the fact its just the guy who presents Vesti, and nothing before that from the Baltic losers for 3000 years, and that Russian state, russian culture, russian language are known all over the world……..and even have this detour west to Italy from these Etruscanswe are shown this fake historical garbage with the Baltic clowns trying to plaigirise our history.

Dr. Reich said:

Why not make it Professor Khokhol – even that would be more subtle

Dr. Reich said: “The ones those new genomes are closest to are those from Ukraine and Latvia.”

Why not just say also “the genomes of those direct descendants of red-white -red activists in Belarus, Jewish Feminists and BLM leaders”! Seriously WTF is this political hitjob garbage, posing as “historical study”

How the f**k is from Ukraine and Latvia even plausible you idiot? It could either be southern steppe people, so Dr Reichtard would have to say “Ukraine” and Russia………or because of Ukraine’s non-history he could only reduce to to something like Ukraine& Moldova, or Ukraine& Slovakia& Hungary etc. How is “from Latvia and Ukraine” even possible without it also involving Russia or some other countries you deranged cretin?

How would they have got to Sicilia 2500 years before? Sailing from Baltic coast? Wouldn’t involve “Ukrainians”. Crossing the Alps? No. Through the Balkans? Then how would it be only Latvians and Ukrainians you imbecile.

Its amusing how only the worst of the worst scum on here talk about Gaplo-groups. On Runet there is good conversations about the topic…….but on here its just the loser scum on here from non-event or fake countries or fantasists or general dickheads (M*k*l) who seem obsessed with the topic. It would be fine if there were actual geneticists in the discussion, at best only one of these clowns is.

I hope we can agree that polls from Ukraine are not that useful because the country has been under a Western influence campaign against Russia since even before the fall of the Soviet Union. More recently NeoNazi thugs are used to influence opinion in Ukraine. Nonetheless, most observers agree on at least two things: 1) There is a lot of pro-Ukrainian Nationalist sentiment in Ukraine 2) Ukraine is the most corrupt first-world country.

As far as your poll is concerned,

The majority of Crimea wanted to be under Russian rule, so NO. I am preemptively assuming you are dishonestly conflating Crimea with Ukraine.

The majority of people West of the Dniepr did not want to be under Russian rule, so YES.

The people East of the Dniepr are a mixed bag, so “DOES NOT APPLY”.

The Western-sponsored idiots in Kiev mixed this all together and are now on track to get a million people killed and 20 million displaced—if we are lucky. Great job, morons.

The West has single-handedly created the extremely dangerous Ukrainian conflict under the pretense of supporting Ukrainian nationalism. This cynical Western project is clearly a continuation of the Cold War and has a very high risk of leading to World War 3.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_20th-century_Poland

An ever-increasing proportion of Jews in Interwar Poland lived separate lives from the Polish majority. In 1921, 74.2% of Polish Jews listed Yiddish or Hebrew as their native language, but that had risen to 87% by 1931, resulting in growing tensions between Jews and Poles.[21]

So, the Jewish effect on the Polish percentage in eastern Galicia appears to have been relatively small.

Poland separated Hebrew-speakers/Yiddish-speakers from Polish-speakers on its census in 1931, obviously:

(Also, makes one wonder if 10+% of Polish Jews spoke German in 1921 but switched to Yiddish, which isn’t all that different from German other than its alphabet, by 1931. German was prestigious under Austria-Hungary but presumably much less so under Poland.)

Also, this is off-topic, but I find it interesting that in terms of literacy in 1931, the most literate parts of Poland were, in order:

1. Western ex-German Poland and Teschen
2. Eastern ex-German Poland
3. The other heavily Polish parts of ex-Austrian Poland
4. Western Congress Poland and Vilnius
5. Eastern Congress Poland and the heavily Ukrainian parts of ex-Austrian Poland
6. The northern Kresy (other than Vilnius) and parts of Lemko Land
7. The central Kresy and the remaining parts of Lemko Land

One could see something similar for Yugoslavia in 1931:

The parts of Yugoslavia that used to be Hapsburg for a very long time (so, everything other than Bosnia and Herzegovina) were much more literate in 1931 than the rest of Yugoslavia was:

The one major exception to this rule is the heavily Serb parts of Croatia, which I think were under Hapsburg rule for a long time (much longer than Bosnia and Herzegovina, I think) but were nevertheless still very illiterate in 1931.

Finally, this is even more off-topic, but it’s worth noting that after WWII, a lot of Kresy Poles were resettled near the new German-Polish border (the Oder-Neisse Line):

Interestingly enough, the German Empire considered both Kashubians and Masurians, but not Silesians, to be their own separate ethnic/linguistic category, distinct from Poles:

I wonder if a history of unique political arrangements caused this.

I heard that Franz Ferdinand wanted to implement universal suffrage in Hungary had he lived. Is this true? This would have significantly reduced Magyar political power in Hungary due to the end of pro-Magyar suffrage restrictions and gerrymandering there.

If one wanted to make universal suffrage in Hungary really effective, one could have annexed both Galicia and Bukovina to Hungary:

The Czechs would get a Germano-Czech federal unit within Austria-Hungary in such a scenario.

I myself don’t attach much importance to rumors, but I think the idea of a foreign fan, outside of globohomo, buying the rights is potentially an interesting scenario.

AK wrote:

Ukraine’s value is, forgive the triteness, in its people, or its human capital – namely, 35 million 95+ IQ people who are very close to and compatible with Russians, who are indeed an intrinsic part of the All Russian nation.

When Russian military leaders figure out that the most compatible 10 million Ukrainian refugees will probably relocate to Russia anyway, they may begin to show less concern about destruction of civilian infrastructure in Ukraine. This would be an example of “do what you can and then move on”.

War is hell.

McCarthy the survivor: (1)

Watch: McCarthy Destroys CNN Reporter When Asked About Classified Doc Scandal

House Speaker Kevin McCarthy may be facing a revolt from Freedom Caucus House Republicans over his Dem-friendly debt deal, but he also may have just earned a few points back obliterating a CNN reporter who asked about former President Donald Trump’s document scandal.

McCarthy shot back – “Are you prepared to defend your network, CNN … [reporter tries to interject] … you can’t put words in my mouth, even though your network can hire Andrew McCabe, who was fired from the FBI for leaking classified documents. Did you remove him from your network? No, you continue to put him on to give judgement against President Trump,” he said.

“You also hired Clapper…” he continued – only to be cut off once again.

McCarthy simply ignores the next question and continues his sentence.

“So your network hires Clapper, who literally lied to the American public, one of 51 other individuals that had briefings and used it politically to tell the American public that a laptop was Russia collusion, even though it had all this information about the Biden administration. Are you prepared to get rid of those people from your network? Because my concern as a policymaker is that when you weaponize government, and now you’re weaponizing networks, that is wrong.”

CNN relieved their CEO, who walked away with a great deal of money.

Could a cable news network do worse? Hmmm……

PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-mccarthy-destroys-cnn-reporter-when-asked-about-classified-doc-scandal

2) Ukraine is the most corrupt first-world country.

Actually, that would be Russia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

Ukraine: 33
Russia: 28

Too bad that Karlin was both too lazily unproductive and too obnoxious to his readers to still be part of the community named after him. But I don’t miss the faggot.

PLEASE PLEASE WILL YOU?

Wouldn’t they need women of childbearing age to have a great fertility rate?

They didn’t have many before the war, and now they have fewer. How many Ukrainian women of childbearing age will ever return while still of childbearing age?

If Ukrainian women didn’t have children before the war, and hundreds of thousands of ukrainian men have been or will be killed, what would cause them to change their values/priorities/lifestyle so drastically all of a sudden?

If lack of resources was the reason/excuse for ukrainians not having enough children to come close to replacing themselves, are they going to have MORE resources to raise kids after the war?

and where would they get ukrainian or even slavic men to procreate with? Russians, Belarussians, Poles, and other Slavs all have terrible fertility rates, and every one of them is an aged and further aging population (I.e. their median age is high and it’s still rising).

If lack of resources was the reason/excuse for ukrainians not having enough children to come close to replacing themselves, are they going to have MORE resources to raise kids after the war?

Well, won’t large-scale Western investment into Ukraine post-war help with this, provided that most of it won’t get looted/stolen by corrupt Ukrainian elites? And of course diaspora Ukrainians in the EU, US, Canada, et cetera should end a lot of remittances back home, which can’t be stolen, at least not easily.

and where would they get ukrainian or even slavic men to procreate with? Russians, Belarussians, Poles, and other Slavs all have terrible fertility rates, and every one of them is an aged and further aging population (I.e. their median age is high and it’s still rising).

If there’s a shortage of men, can’t they rely on sperm donors? Albeit presumably not ones from Russia or Belarus. Polish, Czech, Slovak, Baltic, and Scandinavian sperm donors all sound great!

Russia would have been much better off opening its borders/doors wide open to Ukrainians starting from 2014 instead of ever making any incursions into Ukraine, including into both Crimea and the Donbass back in 2014. Just leave Ukraine alone but have open borders with Ukraine in order to steal as much of Ukraine’s human capital as possible in an ethical way.

Also, off-topic, but what do you think about this agreement?

https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/russia-partitioned-the-lenin-bullitt-agreeement-of-march-1919.356184/

Had it actually been approved, it would have been much better than real life for Ukraine, no?

“An ever-increasing proportion of Jews in Interwar Poland lived separate lives from the Polish majority. In 1921, 74.2% of Polish Jews listed Yiddish or Hebrew as their native language, but that had risen to 87% by 1931, resulting in growing tensions between Jews and Poles.[21]”

So, the Jewish effect on the Polish percentage in eastern Galicia appears to have been relatively small.

Interesting, I wasn’t aware of that across Poland.

I was familiar with Lviv’s demographics, where one must look at religion rather than language to see the true story.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Lviv#Interbellum

By first language, Lviv was 63.5% Polish, 24.1% Hebrew/Yiddish, and 11.2% Ukrainian/Ruthenian.

But by religion, Lviv was 50.4% Roman Catholic, 31.9% Jewish, and 16% Greek Catholic.

In Lviv in 1931, 75% of Jews listed their language as Hebrew/Yiddish.

You have posted some nice maps btw.

Heavily heavily urbanised elite. Even in this godforsaken backwater. Did the locals ban Jews from owning tractors, chainsaws and sawhorses too?

In one scenario the area stabilises after a unifying war. In another it’s going to fracture and Kievan will squabble.

It would have given Ukraine to the Bolsheviks, so no go. A good deal for Siberians though.

Good point! I missed that by skimming too quickly!

Anyway, maybe the West should have waited until either Denikin’s forces or Polish + Petliura’s forces were already in control of Ukraine (or at least central Ukraine) and then offered the Bolsheviks this agreement?

Interesting. I wonder if the situation in the rest of eastern Galicia was more similar to Lviv or more similar to the rest of 1931 Poland. Without more detailed Polish census data, I’m not sure if we’ll ever know.

Interestingly enough, even in Lviv, the effect wasn’t extraordinarily massive. The Polish percentage in Lviv was artificially boosted by slightly less than 30% as a result of the non-Polish Polish speakers there. It’s certainly not nothing, but at the same time, it’s not super-decisive either.

You have posted some nice maps btw.

Thanks for the compliment!

BTW, near the end of this article there are some maps involving Tsarist Russian GDP and GDP per capita in 1897:

http://www.econ.yale.edu/~egcenter/Markevich_Yale_conference.pdf

The wealthiest per capita parts of the Russian Empire in 1897 were St. Pete’s, Moscow, Baku (oil?), Riga, Lodz, Donbass, and the Far East, not necessarily in that order, though. I’m a bit surprised that Kiev isn’t among them, but then again, it wasn’t particularly unique in Tsarist Russia since there was no Ukrainian autonomy back then.

An attempted drive by coup in the capital city was pretty frightening for western populations.

I had thought given the forces deployed in Belorussia that there was just going to be a razz from Chernobyl towards the river, cross it from behind Kiev then exit the entire force around Kharkov.

The Landbridge is a wrinkle in the political settlement.

Universal suffrage was a gradual process – as it was elsewhere. But you are right, the Magyars were inevitably going to lose because they lacked the numbers. Franz Ferdinand wanted to weaken Magyars (he didn’t particularly like them), but the process was happening anyway. Most pressure for the universal suffrage was coming from the labor-socialists who were not nationally oriented and were quite strong electorally.

Magyars got greedy and thought that with central control and endless nationalist myth-making and posturing about ancient ancestors, suffering, lying about numbers, cheating where they could, and “nobility” – irrelevant by then – they could keep what they had. Very similar in mentality to the AP poseur here :)…

It led nowhere and they got clobbered and lost more than anyone. In fairness they should have kept 40-50% of the territory of Hungary, and they kept a third. Overnight 3 to 4 million Magyars were suddenly minorities in the new states. But why didn’t they make a deal when they could? They could have kept large parts of Slovakia (south next to Danube), Transylvania, Vojvodina, and some large cities. Instead they bet it all and lost. There is a lesson there for the Ukies: if a deal is inevitable, make it when you are strong and don’t bet on “winning”. But I think it is too late for that.

The elite brains in Brussels are on an auto-pilot – they don’t think at all. They met and decided to square a circle – with no details, no thought, just because it “would be nice”. Then all kinds of additional parasites jumped in and added their ideological dreams.

EU is currently functioning because Europe is wealthy and the economy still functions. If that declines, they have no plan.

…Galicia had Greek Catholic not Orthodox population.

Riiight…we think of them as Orthodox, everybody does. They look Orthodox, worship like Orthodox, the alphabet, the priests, the churches…they all look Orthodox. As so often you try to pretend that you are something you are not, is it because you are ashamed of “Orthodox”? I don’t know, but it is pitiful. Who really cares? Be a baptist if you want that, or some bizarre American sect like the Pentecostals or Mormons…

Polish nobility were not “wanna-be”

Your “blood” obsession is pathetic. What are you, stuck in the 18th century? That whole charade was cancelled 100 years ago. Why are you so prickly about it? A bunch of inbred lazy has-beens….mostly lying about the pedigree, and then lying about all else – so they can pretend to each other. It is so passe…let it go.

Also, off-topic, but an interesting question for you:

How do you think that the IQ map for Russia, Ukraine, et cetera would have been different relative to real life without decades of Communist rule? The areas with gulags would have been a bit duller due to no internal exile of smart people, Central Asia would have been smarter due to more Slavs, the former Pale of Settlement and Moscow + St. Pete’s would have been a bit smarter due to more Jews (if they would not have emigrated en masse sooner or later like they did in real life), but what else? Would there have been any meaningful difference as to which parts of Russia, Ukraine, et cetera would have been the smartest and dullest relative to real life?

I suspect that the average IQ of wealthy Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian, and Baltic cities would have taken a hit if there would have been a Central Asian version for Russia of what the African-American Great Migration was for the US, but there would have also been a much larger core East Slavic population in Russia, so the effect on the average IQ in these cities should not have been too severe–and might have been compensated by the increased Jews, Chinese, et cetera to some extent as well.

Here’s an IQ map of Ukraine in real life:

Galicia and Kiev are Ukraine’s cognitive hubs and also the most nationalistic parts of Ukraine, especially if one looks at it from the perspective of 1991. What would have differed in a no-Communism scenario?

Really, what happened with Russia since 1917 is very sad, especially considering that my own family has been strongly affected by this, both my Jewish and non-Jewish ancestors. It reminds me of Marx’s legendary quote that history starts as a tragedy (decades of Communist rule) and ends as a farce (Russia’s current invasion of Ukraine showing just how weak and pathetic it truly is even after the end of Communism, unfortunately), which unfortunately applies all too well to Russia since 1917. First comes the tragedy, and then comes the farce.

I’m honestly wondering if even those anti-imperialist Russian nationalists whom Ukraine is supporting would be a better deal than the current Russian government, especially if they were to moderate a bit. I’m talking about the guys who launched the Belgorod incursion. If they were in power, one would hope that they could significantly boost Russia’s TFR and also pursue a legendary rapprochement between Russia and both Intermarium and the EU/West.

BTW, this is somewhat off-topic, but you might enjoy this 1998 online book comparing various regions of the US and the former USSR:

https://digitalcommons.spu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1001&context=works

It was made and created jointly by academics from the US and the former USSR.

Also, one more off-topic question: Had the Central Powers won World War I, would it have been plausible for them to subsequently restore the Russian monarchy on the condition that the new Russian monarch would agree to permanently end Russia’s alliance with France and instead agree to rejoin the Three Emperors’ League on Germano-Austro-Hungarian terms? Apparently Germany envisioned a strategy for Ukraine in the event of a CP WWI victory similar to what Russia envisioned for the Donbass in the Minsk Agreements:

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Deluge/HC7aCwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=ukraine+bartered+german+economic+control+russia+as+a+whole&pg=PA161&printsec=frontcover

Except Ukraine would be much more vital for Russia than the Donbass would be for Ukraine, so I’m unsure that it would be very easy for Russia to resist the demands of the victorious Central Powers in a scenario where they actually managed to win World War I.

(Really, when I think about it, Russia’s exit from the Three Emperors’ League and its subsequent decision to ally with Germany’s enemy France strikes me as an extraordinarily awful decision in hindsight that made a World War much more likely. So long as Russia was a German ally, Germany was not going to attack it, but once Russia stopped being a German ally, the situation gradually changed. Russia should have acknowledged that Austria-Hungary is entitled to a sphere of influence in the Balkans as the price of preserving or reviving the Three Emperors’ League, just like present-day Russia insists on a sphere of influence for itself in the ex-USSR in order to have good relations with the West (which, of course, the West denies present-day Russia, just like Russia denied a Balkan sphere of influence to Austria-Hungary over 100 years ago).) Russia should have also subsequently used the opportunity that a surviving Three Emperors’ League gave it to expand wherever Germany and Austria-Hungary would have allowed it to, such as into China and North Korea (which it could have likely done with a negotiated settlement with Japan in place of the Russo-Japanese War) and into Persia and Afghanistan if it could successfully beat Britain in a war.

As for Germany, I think that once the Franco-Russians allied with each other, Germany should have done everything possible to please and ally with Britain instead of alienating the Brits by building a giant navy. That money would have been better invested in the German army and/or air force instead, I would suspect. Maybe if WWI would have been delayed long enough (until the late 1910s or later), Germany and Britain could have experienced a rapprochement and Britain could have exited the Triple Entente due to Russia’s growing military power, assuming that Kaiser Bill did not do anything stupid in the meantime to piss off the Brits once again. A Germano-Austro-Hungaro-Italo-Anglo-Ottoman alliance against the Franco-Russians would have been quite epic, especially if Japan and/or the US would have also joined in on the fun on the Germanic side. The Armenian Genocide could have also been prevented in this scenario due to the Ottomans’ need to please their Anglo allies. Such an alliance would have truly exemplified Germanic Supremacy lol, which would be especially pertinent even nowadays since even nowadays a lot of the world’s elite science production and R & D spending occurs in Germanic countries.

He wore his silk Top Hat like a Baku Millionaire.

It was hard for the Magyars to keep Transylvania when Romanians were a majority there. They could have kept some border towns, though, such as Oradea, Arad, and Satu Mare, though. Though having this territory be under international administration for, say, 10 or 20 years while Romania is able to build new railroads to the east of these towns would have probably been a good idea.

This Slovak island should have been given to Hungary:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%BDitn%C3%BD_ostrov

But giving additional Slovak territory to Hungary would seriously disrupt Slovakia’s communications and building new rail lines is not as easy as in the Romanian case due to the more mountainous terrain in Slovakia.

This 1939 book discusses this topic and numerous others involving European border revision in much greater detail:

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.121442/2015.121442.Danger-Spots-Of-Europe

As for Serbia, the yellow Hungarian territory in the north should have been given to Hungary:

But it’s not all of Vojvodina.

Ukraine has been mentioned as the most corrupt country in the past; I did not do any research and think poll results like that are difficult to justify. Nonetheless, both countries are seen as highly corrupt in some quarters.

My implied point still stands, which is that polls out of Ukraine are probably not reliable. Nonetheless, JJ’s point that many Ukrainians do not want to be governed by Russia is obviously true. It has also become irrelevant at this point. You people need to focus on avoiding WW3 and worry less about what a bunch of shellshocked and brainwashed people may or may not believe. Sadly, they forfeited what little agency they had by allowing WW3 to become a real possibility in their country. Fortunately, the Ukrainian survivors may have a chance to regain some peace of mind and agency by defeating the NeoNazis and dishonest or incompetent leaders who made this all possible.

Fun fact: When Borat talked about Kazakhstan’s President, he actually showed a photo of Azerbaijan’s President instead because the latter looked much more like him than the former (Mongoloid) did:

And then you wrote this:

Galicia”, “Bukovina” were remote provinces added quite late to the Empire, they were relatively insignificant. They also had Orthodox population lorded over by the Polish wanna-be nobility

Galicia had Greek Catholic not Orthodox population.

Except , by definition Greek “Catholic” does mean culturally Orthodox you dumbfuck. Different to you, Beckow knows the area. I assume that as a fantasist imbecile American who has never been to Europe, your clueless level on the implications of “Greek ” in the description, and what that implies, are quite high, lol.

Plus ,just like the “Ukraine” is a fake nation created territoriality by Russians, created ideologically by bored Russian liberals, the ethnic Russian wakjob Dontsev, Poles and Austrian officials ( for anti-Russian reasons)… and Ukrainian “language ” is a fake language “encouraged” by Poles for anti-Russian political reasons, but actually created by Russians (3 different times) …….this Greek Catholic “Church” of Galicia was a fake Frankenstein-ish church created solely for non-religious reasons – imposed dictatorially on the Orthodox population and most of the clergy in Galicia by foreigners, for anti-Russian political reasons.

Its a nonsense of a church.

I would just remind people here that this fraud weirdo “AP” clearly showed on here multiple times that he does not know what the word Batyushka is. Let’s think about that every time this human excrement writes about the church or anything else on Russia/Ukraine.

Polish nobility were not “wanna-be” and there were also Ukrainian/Ruthenian nobility in Galicia

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HAHAHAHAHA ! Another amusing lie. Normally even the worst retards would not try and claim that nonsense where this fake nobility for a dump of Europe (started even before the rise of Protestantism) are divided by 3 different Empires.

“Ruthenian”??? You have Slovaks in cities and fighting for autonomy and establishing institutions and their state, you have the great civilisation of Serbia, Croatia, Hungary, Czechia etc establishing themselves within A-H and winning back power and statehood or revolting till they get something………..then you have a non-event called “Ruthenia” which is also the poorest and most irrelevant part of the empire, LMAO.

The president of the West Ukrainian People’s Republic was one of them:

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! That’s one of those things where its better to promote the lie ( digging up the Black Sea) than it is to mention THAT embarrassing nonsense.

Slovakia had a worse peasant to foreign noble ratio than Galicia.

This is, another, stupid lie. Tragically, but also amusingly in the form of exposing what a non-even ukrop “nationalism”is, in Galician Banderastan Ukronazis were collaborating and sending their own to Talerhof and other concentration camps to be murdered en masse. Yes – in this freakshow Ukronazi slaves start massacring their own, for the reasons of satisfying their foreign owners/masters……..a long time before ANY “fight” for creating a nation state……or even an autonomous region. That says everything

Would you have argued that Serbia should submit to Austria-Hungary in order to prevent an extremely massive bloodbath with WWI? And that Poland should submit to Nazi Germany in order to prevent an extremely massive bloodbath with WWII? Not as bad as nuclear war, of course (though WWIII does not have to equal nuclear war), but still very bad. The Holocaust, the Armenian Genocide, the killing of millions of men in the trenches, et cetera.

Off-topic, but if you want to know how a plebiscite in the Polish Corridor would have looked like after the end of WWI, German Reichstag election maps from the pre-WWI era are a pretty good indication. The Polish Corridor, other than its southernmost part, consistently voted for the Polish Party in Imperial German times, such as here in 1912:

I think that it’s the Vistula Germans who separate the Polish Party voters in the Polish Corridor and the Polish Party voters in Posen Province on the map above:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vistula_Germans

I have no opinion on the past conflicts. Even if I did, reading here at Unz has taught me that much of the accepted mainstream war history is false and based on lies and misunderstandings. The truth is frequently the opposite of what is claimed.

It is easy to recognize this same dishonest process at work with regard to information and explanations about the Ukrainian conflict. Since the end of the Cold War the West has unilaterally made numerous moves against Russia that are a serious casus belli. Russia warned the West that these actions are extremely dangerous and would lead to retaliation. Ultimately the West actually supported a coup and started a civil war in Ukraine. Russia finally responded militarily after attempts at peace were ignored by the West. Now there is an extremely dangerous war in Ukraine which was self-evidently started by the West. Western propaganda has made gullible people such as you believe the exact opposite.

The antecedent facts are out there for those who want the truth.

an interesting question for you:

Shouldn’t you let the reader decide if your question is interesting or not?

I suspect most of the Ukrainian leaders who colluded with the West will eventually be arrested for treason. While some of their activity was probably motivated by misguided, shallow optimism much of it may be shown to be driven by powerlust and greed. The billions of dollars had to go somewhere. The Biden crime family comes to mind.

The NeoNazi’s and their supporters will face a more serious fate. In the propaganda world they are guilty of channeling the most brutal aspects of WW2 NAZI soldiers and thugs. Some apologists may attempt to paint them as misguided men who latched onto the wrong meme, bought the wrong teeshirt or got very ill-advised tattoos. In the real world, they will be arrested for murdering and torturing innocent victims while working in the service of treasonous forces from outside their country of Ukraine. They may ultimately be held accountable for the destruction of the entire country since their willingness and ability to operate violently and brutally outside the law is a crucial factor in the war.

Yeah, I guess so lol.

BTW, , in regards to Austria-Hungary, I find it interesting: The country had geographic unity (other than Galicia and Bukovina due to them stretching out beyond the Carpathians), but less so political unity in the sense of creating social harmony between its various groups. It’s just difficult to find a raison d’etre for Austria-Hungary that couldn’t instead be found by the creation of other countries which were at least slightly more homogeneous, such as Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, (Greater) Romania, and a neo-PLC. Germans and Magyars combined were less than half of Austria-Hungary’s total population, and even then, they don’t have as much to unite them as, say, Czechs and Slovaks or Serbs, Montenegrins, Bosniaks, and Croats or Romanians or Poles, Ukrainians, and Belarusians have with each other.

“Galicia had Greek Catholic not Orthodox population.”

Riiight…we think of them as Orthodox

I’m sure ignorant people like you do.

Both the Orthodox who persecuted them and the martyrs who refused to convert would disagree.

“Polish nobility were not “wanna-be”

Your “blood” obsession is pathetic

No, it’s a truth obsession. That’s something you will never understand, sadly.

That whole charade was cancelled 100 years ago

I went to university with a count from your region whose bride (from some wealthy family he met here, one without a title) had to undergo various rituals and get permissions so that his kids would inherit his title. It was taken rather seriously.

A bunch of inbred lazy has-beens

Why you so prickly about it?

In reality, they are smarter and more hardworking. The same genetics that enabled their ancestors to achieve their positions also enable them to keep them. Even during tragic disruptions these families return to previous positions. I have seen it myself but that is just anecdotal – this is true everywhere where it has been studied.

Hungary:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8497688/

“ the descendants of the eighteenth century upper classes in Hungary were still significantly privileged during the period 1949 to 2017”

“ even by 2010–17 someone with a surname inherited from the eighteenth century upper class was still 2.5 times more likely to gain a medical qualification than the average non-Romani person”

Sweden:

https://faculty.econ.ucdavis.edu/faculty/gclark/papers/Sweden%202012%20AUG.pdf

People from family with titles were nearly 5 times more likely to attorneys than average Swedes; untitled nobles 3 times more likely. Similar stats for physicians.

England:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jan/31/inheritance-britain-wealthy-study-surnames-social-mobility

Even China:

https://faculty.econ.ucdavis.edu/faculty/gclark/papers/Social%20Mobility%20in%20China%2011-7.pdf

The Hungarian and Chinese cases demonstrate that this cannot be attributed to nepotism or corruption, because these families had everything stolen from them by the Communists. But genetics and family traditions cannot be taken.

Scythians were often used as mercenaries in the Hellenistic wars.

Nitpicking perhaps, but I’ve never seen Scythians mentioned as Hellenistic mercenaries in any primary or secondary source? Unless you’re using the term broadly to mean any North-Iranian (Parthians, Sogdians, Alans, etc) nomadic people? In which case the rest of this comment is moot.

I want to get this shirt for German_reader:

The NeoNazi’s and their supporters will face a more serious fate. In the propaganda world they are guilty of channeling the most brutal aspects of WW2 NAZI soldiers and thugs. Some apologists may attempt to paint them as misguided men who latched onto the wrong meme, bought the wrong teeshirt or got very ill-advised tattoos. In the real world, they will be arrested for murdering and torturing innocent victims while working in the service of treasonous forces from outside their country of Ukraine. They may ultimately be held accountable for the destruction of the entire country since their willingness and ability to operate violently and brutally outside the law is a crucial factor in the war.

Perfect description of:

btw, he’s the literal official Hero of RF;)

For those courageous and smart enough to understand what’s ongoing …

The Scythians are directly descended from the Andronovo culture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronovo_culture

With the exception of Alans, who are related to Sarmatians (descended from the Afanasievo Culture via Botai Culture and Sargat), the other people you have mentioned are indeed from the broad Scythian (Indo-Iranian) realm. Parthians, Sogdians, Pazyrik, Tokharians, pseudo-Tokharians, Saka tigrahuda, Saka haomavarga, Massagetae, even the early Parasika (Persians) and their Median cousins (heavily admixed with the BMAC people), they all have developed from the same Arkaim Sintashta (Aryan) population, all were dominated by Y haplogroup R1a clans of Corded Ware ancestry, all spoke mutually comprehensible dialects of the Indo-Iranian language that is a major branch of the Indo-European language family, all had the same nomadic way of living and a similar “Scythian animal art” style.

Dima Utkin did nothing wrong…

Seriously though, zhidobenderovtsy from Ukrostan fighting zhidowagnerovtsy from RusFed. Борьба была равна, боролись два г☆вна. Slavs killing Slavs, while the Jews make гешефты out of their murderous folly. Quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat…

Mainly discussing the Indo-Scythian relationship with Buddhism, the Silk, the Hellenistic MENA

Should have read:

Mainly discussing the Indo-Scythian relationship with Buddhism, the Silk Road, the Hellenistic MENA

What part of Ukrainian Nazi’s controlling Police, secret services, Army and “cultural” institutions and so generating exponentially more Nazis at lower levels………are you too thick to understand?

Did you locate the Etruscans yet, dishonest ratshitbag?

Of course the term Nazism in 404 has contradictions………normally you would not expect the Nazis to want to destroy and genocide the areas with the highest concentrations of “Ukrainians” (Donbass) which is of course what the Ukroreikh is trying to do. Killing Ukrainians or collaborating with those who are mass killing Ukrainians, seems to be the only thing I can see that is actually “Ukrainian” in culture.

Normally , because of this ethnicity thing, you would not expect a Kuznetsov from Sumy to have ukronazis hugely enthusiastic to have him kill or try to kill a Shevchenko from Voronezh. But this is what is happening – although not that often because the kill ratios are so embarrassingly high in favour of Russia,

Of course there is no such thing as “Ukrainian” ethnicity, but if we pretended it existed, then you would not expect Nazis to basically be in national holiday state of mind about the tragedy in Yeisk (Krasnodar )where soon after takeoff a Su-34 crashed near a residential block, killing many people. Going on the fake ethnicity line, Yeisk is probably the most ethnically Ukrainian place on the planet, certainly more than Kiev. So this tragedy would have assured a higher proportion of ukrainian (Russians) killed than any strike on Kiev. But of course they are excited about this happening as they are sick freaks with no actual nation.

Of course the Nazis would not have their “cultural heart” be Galicia and cities like Lvov ………….a place where I can walk the streets and not find a single “Ukrainian” thing.

Normally those implementing the Nazi policies would not be Jews, and would not be Jews who also made their fortune in Russia, speak Russian whilst implementing evil anti-Russian language policies………….and are certainly in the top 1% of taxpayers into Russian state in the last 30 years.

So don’t allow the contradictions of this failed state to deceive you

It’s why “Ukraine” is regarded by historians to have been officially created by the scottish/british actor Gerard Butler (F**kheadistan)

A really nice schematic that puts together a lot about what you’ve been writing about over the last couple of years. Very useful!

Criterion has altered The French Connection by removing the references to “nigger.” I hope Mr. Hack cancels his subscription.

In the distant future, perhaps they will insert it into new scenes in movies, where it never was.

US MIC humblebrag?

Did they have N words in Godfather?

Fun fact: the Scythian word for dog was “spaka.” To modern Slavic ears, it is a cute way of referring to dogs. Scythians were fond of dogs.

Lies by Russia or China are not true just because they differ from lies told by western neocons.

This is something you have obviously never learned, given your earnest and ridiculous repetition of Russian lies.

What is the state of the art in y haplogroups for Ruritanians?

I think that you’ve got me mixed up with Dmitry, who I believe subscribes to Criterion (do you, and if so, what do you think?). French connection II is being shown on the movie channel all this month. I don’t think that I’ve ever viewed it all the way through from beginning to end, but it looks good. Of course, who can ever forget the classic car chase scene in FC1? One of the best ever (and that’s saying a lot)!

Quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat…

Heroes often happen to be mad though;)

Late Lemmy Kilmister managed to capture that specific mood quite well and created nearly universal both anti&pro war song, which all the sides of any military conflict may relate at some point during the course of action:

Stand your ground and fight (stand before the world)
You know that our cause is right (we are standing here)
We are the ones whose hope has gone (we will stand forever)
Hold and stand fast
Stand and do your best (we will not back down)
Stand and face your test (even till we die)
Until you fall, you must obey the call
‘Cause we are the last

I am going to get into trouble espousing a middle position (sigh).

The Russian MIC overstates and under delivers, much like its U.S. counterpart.

Hypersonic as a technology is over hyped. Are there tactical advantages if it works? Yes. Is it a strategic game changer? Nope. Ballistic missiles deliver heavily armored warheads. Hypersonic has to shed that weight and are thus more fragile.

The Kinzhal is (currently) more hypersonic test bed than full system. The initial part of its flight is hypersonic, but slows for target seeking and final guidance. The failure provides Russia “Elon Musk style test data” to determine necessary improvements.

Patriot costs ~$750 million for a battery and production is 1-2 per year. The consumable interceptors are ~$5 million each and production is in the low hundreds per year. That it worked versus the current Kinzhal in a tactical sense is not that surprising.
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What is the impact of Patriot on the STRATEGIC situation?

The Kiev regime used up 30 interceptors (~$150 million) in two minutes. How many more do they have. Can they afford to buy more? Are there any willing sellers?

How skilled are the Ukrainian operators — Will they consume expensive interceptors on lower priority weapons? What are their orders from above — Will they try to protect the entire city? Either of these factors could leave the system out of ammo and impotent.

Scaling up the peacetime U.S. for war production is not easy. Raytheon would need a long-term “must buy” deal to produce new tooling and manufacturing facilities for any sharp step up interceptor production. The Veggie-in-Chief does not have the House appropriation to go that route. He cannot get one. And, even if signed today, it would be 12-18 months to see significant increase in delivery rate.
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The truth is somewhere in the middle.

• Patriot is a serious tool that Russia must plan for.
• Patriot is not an unlimited magic shield.

It is not a game changer for the Kiev regime as it appears the Patriot battery has to consume the bulk of available munitions protecting itself. If the interceptor supply can be increased it creates more complications for Russia. However, they can choose to strike elsewhere.

PEACE 😇

I understand that all big governments are untrustworthy. Nonetheless, the real outline of the Russian side of this conflict is under-appreciated. The history of Russia-Ukraine relations is obviously more complex than the intentionally simplified perspective I espouse. My goal is to prompt people to investigate the post-Cold War Russian perspective so they can understand the situation more clearly. This doesn’t mean I think Russia is blameless. I realize it has a huge military industrial complex which cannot be trusted. I realize it has a mutant post-Soviet government woven through with Oligarchical power. I even appreciate that there are forces of change such as Noviops (or whatever) who influence the Russian system in ways that I can’t understand. On the other hand, none of that is much different from the USA or Ukraine where most of the driving forces are not clear from a mainstream perspective. I am simply trying to point out the essentials behind this mess.

My point is the pre-existing Cold War stalemate between Russia and the West is a greater factor underlying this conflict than the points which are now discussed in the media and by Ukrainian backers such as yourself. While you are highlighting important aspects of the human story, the death story is all about Cold War politics. The responsible military leaders, diplomats and bureaucrats are faced with Cold War/WW3/nuclear war scenarios, so the fate of a few tens of millions of people in a border region may become inconsequential. This does not mean these Russian leaders are not heartless, they simply have an honest perspective on the big picture. A million versus a billion deaths, that factor will influence the choices of a rational man. Most of these people did not create this situation any more than you and I, but they are involved in actually dealing with it.

The Cold War nuclear stalemate is the essential context for this war. Small minded people have been lulled into believing the central issue is a relatively minor cultural-linguistic schism which could be used to bureaucratically create a “homeland” for some Ukrainians. This is an extremely shallow perspective. In your own small way, you people are putting billions of lives at risk. If forced, Russia will crush Ukraine like a bug to avoid full nuclear war with the West.

You should be ashamed of yourself for allowing a trivialized view of the situation to guide your propaganda.

Since we are on the topic of antiquity, I just discovered this Twitter user who posts some high-quality academic-tier threads on Greco-Roman and military history more generally. Worth a follow:

People should get it right and use the term “maneuvering hypersonic weapons”. Patriots are designed to defeat hypersonic weapons. They may not be designed to take out ones that maneuver while hypersonic. PAC3 probably is designed to take out Iskander threats, but who knows the effectiveness?

This is not new. The famous Pershing II missile was hypersonic and the warhead maneuvered, but I don’t know what the speed bleeds down to once the warhead hits the target.

Two points:

First, any SAM battery can be defeated by a proper saturation attack. Some combination of drones, low performance missiles and high performance missiles would be launched to achieve this goal.

Second, the people writing the Patriot press releases now are just like the ones back in the Gulf War. They have no idea what really happened, but do like to write jazzy stories. Some people in the government know what happened but they are under no obligation to tell the truth about it.

It is probably a sad fact that dishonest claims about the effectiveness of the original Patriot missiles played some role in selling the idea of dropping out of the ABM Treaty. As dishonest rhetoric it was probably used both ways:

“These damn Patriot missiles don’t work at all. The USA needs to break out of the ABM treaty so we are free to develop better missiles.”

“These Patriots work great. Let’s drop out of the ABM treaty so we can finally be free from MAD.”

“Lies. Everyday more lies.”

Who is that supposed to be, don’t recognise him at all?

Fun fact: the Scythian word for dog was “spaka.” To modern Slavic ears, it is a cute way of referring to dogs. Scythians were fond of dogs.

Ancient Sumerian dog joke:

Small minded people have been lulled into believing the central issue is a relatively minor cultural-linguistic schism which could be used to bureaucratically create a “homeland” for some Ukrainians.

But this is precisely one of the main reasons given by Putler for invading Ukraine, a “cultural linquistic schism” where imaginary “Nazis” have forced Russia into making such dramatic and senseless moves within Ukraine. You’re barking up the wrong tree here, and should be addressing your concerns to the Russian side. Ukrainians are rightly defending their “homeland” where the borders were drawn up a long time ago, and where for the most part Ukrainians are content to live within (and where a majority of Ukrainians reside today and have in the past too).

Ukraine has been mentioned as the most corrupt country in the past; I did not do any research and think poll results like that are difficult to justify.

So you are making a baseless allegation instead of Googling for 2 minutes.

Former Soviet bloc countries have been low on the list but Ukraine has long been ahead of Russia:
https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021

My implied point still stands, which is that polls out of Ukraine are probably not reliable. Nonetheless, JJ’s point that many Ukrainians do not want to be governed by Russia is obviously true.

Not many. Most. As in overwhelming majority.

It has also become irrelevant at this point.

Well it is certainly relevant if you are a Russian in a trench and votes by bullet are being sent in your direction.

Doesn’t look like him at all, even though they have shaved heads.

Am not a subscriber either.

I suspect Disney, since they own the rights via Fox. Also fits their curious pattern, where their US division is more censorious about race.

Am not fully against editing old films, but I think the viewer should be given the choice, and the default should be the theatrical. A lot of the reason I watch old stuff is the time capsule part of it. Seems particularly problematic when they edit classic films without even a disclaimer.

I used to know a particular fan of cars in movies, and the chase he was a fan of was the one in Bullitt, which he noted came out before the French Connection. My personal favorite, though not with cars, is the motorcycle chase scene in The Great Escape. I really liked how they utilized the countryside. I guess that makes it the opposite of most chase scenes.

Doesn’t look like him at all, even though they have shaved heads.

It is him. Just look at the older picture:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Utkin

Head to chin ratio is the same. He is older and flaring his nostrils in the picture with his Nazi tats.

I believe the gentleman in the photo has already been identified, as someone else entirely. Not sure who the bigger Nazis are is a game you are going to win, besides it isn’t one I care about, always been a dead end for those on the right looking to change the status quo. A useful bogeyman for the powers that be, and even in the Ukraine, one that is fully under the thumb of the oligarchs there. At least this conflict has done a great deal in discrediting the tedious Nazi this, Nazi that rhetoric.

I used to know a particular fan of cars in movies, and the chase he was a fan of was the one in Bullitt, which he noted came out before the French Connection. My personal favorite, though not with cars, is the motorcycle chase scene in The Great Escape. I really liked how they utilized the countryside. I guess that makes it the opposite of most chase scenes.

The show Barry has a really good chase scene.

Definitely worth getting HBO max for a month to binge it.

I believe the gentleman in the photo has already been identified, as someone else entirely.

You are saying his Wiki entry on him being a Neonazi and the founder of Wagner is false?

You do realize that they use the death’s head and shock runes? And that Wagner the composer was favored by Hitler for hating Jews?

All a giant coincidence? Is that right? Must be someone else in the picture?

It’s not about who is bigger Nazi or not, but the banal fact that on both sides of the conflict such people do exist, but some are still harping exclusively about Ukraine in this regard even in this thread.

It’s not just a coincidence that happy Wagner skull is being held by letters HH from all sides either;)

What type of idiot do you have to be to believe this nonsense?

In addition to the millions of Ukrainian fakes , is it not exhausting for you retards to have to try and fake positive spin for events that never happened ( the 2 Il-76’s “shot down” attempting to land at Vasilkov , intercepted Kinzhal etc), events that, obviously, had no proof except for that the complete opposite occurred

Surely we can all agree that a world where a Ukrainian officer , speaking to the US intelligence propaganda outlet NYT/WSJ , publically criticising the useless performance of one of US MIC’s most (over)hyped weapons systems……..does not exist you deranged idiot?

Russian weapon systems ( all of them) by comparison have had stunning successes, have received orders to have massively increased production with very little to no modifications. How they are used as part of an integrated system , of course will be regularly changed as Russia side & NATO puppet side readjusts to the other in combat ………but not the physical/technical specifications of the weapons individually. Our Defence exports will go up rapidly even more from these great successes.

“didn’t panic”!!!! From the images seen at Sikorsky airport – There is no conceivable configuration of any Russian attack using multiple type of missiles ( plus drones) fired from different directions, fired from different platforms on land, sea and air ……which would have had the synchronicity to createthat type of dsyfunctional , obviously panicked, mass firing of Patriot missiles you idiot

Oh, and “6 Kinzhals”-LMFAO

Of course, retard Ukronazi propaganda is trying to invent this lies as both “peremoga Team USA defeated invincible Russian weapon they can only produce 3 of in a decade”………..and that the Kinzhals “were never hypersonic to start with, Russian primitive Mongols blabla”, which is partly because they can’t find anything that looks like wreckage of a Kh-47, so have to further lie………such is the schizophrenia of these retards

Night-time missile attacks on Kiev ( plus some day attacks that were non-existant since the start of the war), have also rapidly INCREASED since the Pindossi claim to have received Patriot System you laughable moron . This fact is why you are getting such cretinous drivel fed into US propaganda media.

The precision strikes of Russian missiles against ukronazis in Kiev are so accurate, but so miniscule in a city of a few million with limited targets because most of the conflict is 100s of kms from there, and the media environment of the Ukronazi regime is so tightly controlled………that effectively for the residents of Kiev , the regime can easily simulate the mentality that air-defence is “protecting ” them.

Though not as disgusting as some of the plentiful other human shield positioning of military objects, particularly air defence systems in residential areas of cities by 404 regime, the area around Sikorsky is far more built up then most airports around the world, so that too is a disgrace that these cowards had the system there before we hit an element of the complex. Notice how Belgorod the city is extremely well protected in airdefence – no using airdefence surrounded by human shield tactics for ourselves. Echelon defence even with the enemy just across the border, so that everything is intercepted long before it could get to Belgorod. Notice its the complete opposite of that with these ukronazi scum you idiot???

BTW from the actions is April/May , how is that “echeloned” air defence for western Ukraine doing? LMAO

I would add that there are two kinds of evil, Darwinian and Diabolical. The first leads one man to kill another for gain, one nation to invade another for advantage, while only the latter can lead people to chemically castrate their children for the glory of democracy. And Ukraine is being used as a useful idiot in a ware between a Diabolical GAE and a Darwinian Russia.

One of the Mafia Dons agrees during the meeting of the families that they should regulate where they sell drugs in the city, not to kids etc………except for in the black neighbourhoods where they can flood it anywhere, “because they are all animals anyway”.

That’s probably as bad as the N word

Ukrainians are rightly defending their “homeland” where the borders were drawn up a long time ago, and where for the most part Ukrainians are content to live within (and where a majority of Ukrainians reside today and have in the past too).

Its not “their” homeland you useless shithead. Its Russia’s homeland given to them by Russia, including Russian built railways, towns, cities, infrastructure, shelters, metro’s etc.
Majority of Ukrainians have gone to Russia you idiot. 6 million, to go with the millions who had already left after 2014 and or acquired Russian citizenship. It’s also a country where large majority have family in Russia. Its also a land where Russia provided refuge to the ancestors of millions of them, fleeing one-way from the disaster of being ruled by Polish scum. 300 years of peace, prosperity..versus struggling to get to even 3 seconds of harmony with Polish idiots.
Those borders in 1991 were drawn up against the wishes of then ukrainian population, who 1 million% would have accepted a Union state, non-Communist, of Ukraine,Belarus and Russia.

Worse than that the ukrop leaders of that time criminally exploited the situation of “Ukrainians and Russians are the same people” so as to get these borders including Crimea, Donbass and other areas that could and should have easily gone to Russia.

The reason Putin (Russian taxpayer) stated for the SMO of the state lead by Zelensky and before that Poroshenko/Valtsman (also Russian taxpayers) was to protect Donbass people from Genocide, and to stop this anti-Russia project . In this sh*thole country precisely ZERO progress was actually made on getting into European Union, on legal, on technical standards and on societal criteria as it was a corrupt and as useless as ever ( to the point that Russia was STILL the highest foreign investor in the country). 8 years and NOTHING to do show for it, except a few fotos in front of Sagrada Familia and high ratings in european brothels.

Trying to be “western” had been disaster after 2004 and even more disastrous after 2014. It appears Banderastan and their western masters agreed that being “western” in business, legal and society was impossible………but being anti-Russian was a good tactics to maintain western interest, insidious social projects and western patronage of their elites.

In what other (fake) country is it so uncomfortable for the locals to use the term “Ukrainian language” because mova is truly something different than that.

Patriot costs ~$750 million for a battery and production is 1-2 per year

Raytheon is increasing Patriot battery production to 12 a year. Ukraine will get 5 of them:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-patriot-missile-is-an-unsung-hero-of-ukraine-war-db6053a0

Scythians are an interesting people, but Scythians were not present in the Baltic region, it’s possible that they tried to attack there but were repelled. As to the archeological study, once again, they used both genetic and isotopic testing – they tested the tooth enamel to determine the geographic origin of each person. They determined that two individuals were from NorthEastern Europe and comparing the climate determined it was Lithuania. So at least one individual there is the ancestor or Old Prussians, Yatvingians or Lithuanians. Of course, it is possible that based on the haplogroup this could’ve been someone from the area that is now northern Poland or NorthEastern Germany, but the Slavic tribes lived further West (the ancestors of Obodrites, etc).

If you are doubting this, then you are doubting the methods of the study because there is a whole list of other individuals who are listed as having arrived from various places that were tested with the same method. This doesn’t exclude that there were some Scythians there (if you check the list in the docs that were added to the study). It would also make total sense if, let’s say, ancestors of Croatians had been there.

I remember that part. Don Corleone didn’t say it. The man who said that was in the faction that tried to kill Don Corleone. The person I was at the movie with approved the animal argument.

Coppola would never go edgelord I surmise.

What type of idiot do you have to be to believe this nonsense?

So you believe the Patriot system is not working as intended?

What do you think we pay our engineers to do? Dick around on Tiktok? Our massive military budget pays for weapons like HIMARs and the Patriot. I support a reduction in the budget but I’m glad these toys are at least being used against the dwarf.

There is video of the Patriot system in action:

Notice how Belgorod the city is extremely well protected in airdefence – no using airdefence surrounded by human shield tactics for ourselves.

Belgorod has been under attack by anti-Putin Russian militias and they don’t have air support. Do you just bury your head and only read from 2-3 pro-Putin bloggers?

Average Putin defender on Unz: I’m not like those indoctrinated liberals that trust CNN. I ignore the MSM entirely and read exclusively from pro-Putin sources. That way I only learn about what I want to hear.

…This Slovak island should have been given to Hungary

Probably, it was 80-90% populated by Magyars in 1918. It was originally assigned to Hungary but a Magyar delegation from the ‘island’ showed up in Versailles asking not to be separated from Bratislava that they depended on economically (markets, selling produce, working…).

It was a backdoor attempt to hold on to Bratislava – the delegation was sponsored by Budapest – but it backfired and everything was assigned to Slovakia. Bratislava had a city center German plurality, but the larger Bratislava metro region had a Slovak majority – the north and north-east suburbs were purely Slovak. There was almost no chance that Magyars could claim it and by overreaching they also lost the “island”.

There are lessons for today in what happened after 1918 – we are in a very similar situation in Ukraine. If they don’t act smart they may lose more than they think is possible. Or they can win the war…or can they?

I would add that there are two kinds of evil, Darwinian and Diabolical. The first leads one man to kill another for gain, one nation to invade another for advantage, while only the latter can lead people to chemically castrate their children for the glory of democracy

A false dichotomy. Is burning a child alive because you want territory where that child lives better than castrating the child?

Is robbery, murder and rape by Chechens better than exposing people to lewd trans strippers? Answer honestly. What would you rather subject your loved ones to. Which is the worse evil being unleashed and by whom? You think the Devil isn’t present when greed and killing are involved? You think that he is limited to lust and perversions? How convenient for those on the side of the greater evil to accuse the others of being the diabolical ones.

Moreover, the number of people being murdered, maimed and raped by Russia far exceeds the number of mentally ill being castrated in the USA (and this number is around zero in Ukraine, Poland, etc.). And while the transing in the West is starting to recede (transing kids is now illegal in Scandinavia and Britain), the Muscovite lust for death grows. But lies, murder and greed are not “diabolical” perhaps according to the Church built by Stalin on the bones of martyrs, led by a forever servant of the atheist Soviet regime.

Its not “their” homeland you useless shithead. Its Russia’s homeland given to them by Russia, including Russian built railways, towns, cities, infrastructure, shelters, metro’s etc.

In 1994 it was Russia that swore to recognize the autonomy of Ukraine in exchange for their nuclear weapons. That autonomy included Crimea.

Here is that document along with their signature:
https://policymemos.hks.harvard.edu/links/ukraine-budapest-memorandum-1994

Which means you believe that 141 UN countries along with Russia of 1994 are wrong? Is that correct?

In what other (fake) country is it so uncomfortable for the locals to use the term “Ukrainian language” because mova is truly something different than that.

Imperial Russia was dissolved in 1917. The Russian Federation was created in 1991.

Do explain how Ukraine is not a real country even though the modern state of Russia was created in 1991. Specifically define how a country becomes real.

Thanks for the crisp video clip.

The last scene where the moto-cross guy goes on a death ride off the cliff was seamless and was some Grade-A special effects. All in all, well worth the six and a half minutes. 😀

I think that Russia as a civilizational space would be much more attractive if it would have had much more elite science production and R & D spending, though. And AI won’t make the issue of human capital irrelevant IMHO since just like smarter people can use search engines more effectively, smarter people are also likely going to be capable of using AI more effectively as well, such as with smarter and more creative prompts.

It looks like the technological centers will most likely remain concentrated where they are now. In Russia’s case, they will probably have to work with China in that regard. But China will be looking out for its own interests.

As to the AI, while it won’t make the human capital issue irrelevant, it actually could help alleviate the labor shortage, increase efficiencies and thus reduce the need for immigration. I started using an AI app recently and it is fantastic – but there is plenty of work left over anyway, it’s just that it made things way more efficient and took out the more tedious parts of the work.

Obviously Russia will need to democratize

Don’t count on it – they would have to build all the institutions, political parties, etc., from the ground up and everything has been wiped out (that said, people can build these quickly but it’s a lot of work anyway to maintain it). Most likely things will start out with a clan war. My biggest fear is that the Legion will get pushed away (this is a very realistic scenario but hope springs eternal, so to speak).

What’s a spaika?

It is a symbol of Russian Whites (it is used in memory of Viktor Larionov).

More accurately, border towns in Belgorod oblast such as Shebkino have been regularly shelled by AFU and have been invaded by company-scale groups engaging in “reconnaissance in force”, some of whom are based anti-Putin Russian skinheads. Also, Belgorod the city does get attacked by drones. All of this is carefully documented and analyzed in the usual OSINT channels on Telegram.

As for air defense, it evidently works to some degree, especially against an adversary with minimal industrial capacity (say Hamas vs Israel), but against an adversary with industrial capacity, in the long run it just incentivizes your enemy to go for quantity over quality. If your air defense battery can fire ten missiles at a cost of a 100 million dollars, while your adversary can fire a hundred missiles at you for a cost of 100 million dollars (about the cost of a hundred kalibrs), then what’s the point?

…Belgorod has been under attack by anti-Putin Russian militias

Riight…that is like saying that Paris has been under attack by anti-Macron (anti-dwarf?) angry French militias who want a new government. Actually about 1k times more “attackers” are in France and they have been at it for much longer. But you will barely see it mentioned on “CNN”.

Your ability to talk total one-sided nonsense and use limited selective videos says it all about how serious you are about solving this issue – you dream of winning and any snippet of out-of-context info is good enough to feed your usual rants.

Ok, we get it, you hate the “Russians“, who cares, but have you considered what to do if you don’t win this war? What then? What odds would you put on the Kiev victory in the war? 10%? 25%? Would you put your own money on that bet?

Honestly, yes. War is a terribly normal part of human history, and this one is not worse than usual. In most cases war is the result of conflicting interests, in the present case the inevitable result of the diabolical ambitions of Jews and pederasts across the ocean who are untouched by the very real horror. I would have expected that just as a pragmatic matter, to prevent the destruction of the land of your ancestors, you would have seen where this was going. However, evidently simply by living in GAE your moral intuitions have been so deformed that you are unable to see that “winning” this easily avoidable war would be the death of Ukraine anyway.

I found a non pay walled source here: (1)

According to the head of Raytheon, the deadline for delivering these complexes to bolster the Armed Forces of Ukraine is planned for the end of 2024 at the latest
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ramp up the production of PAC-3 MSE anti-aircraft missiles at Lockheed Martin. Current production rate is 450 units per year. The plan is to increase this rate to 550 units per year within the next three years, representing a 20% increase in MSE production by 2026.

To sum up:

• 5 is the number *if* Raytheon can actually produce 12/year.
• The delivery dates are in 2024. Potentially late next year.
• With global production at 550 per year that is max 110 interceptors per battery if Ukraine can capture 100% of global output. Given that 30+ can be consumed in a single engagement, this supply is very thin.
• The piece does not talk about House appropriations, which includes limits on the authority to turn over U.S. inventory.

OK, the current White House occupant said it. However, Not-The-President Biden’s ability to deliver is less than reliable. Likely only a fraction will reach the Kiev regime.

PEACE 😇
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(1) https://www.technology.org/2023/06/12/5-more-patriot-batteries-for-ukraine/

More accurately, border towns in Belgorod oblast such as Shebkino have been regularly shelled by AFU and have been invaded by company-scale groups engaging in “reconnaissance in force”, some of whom are based anti-Putin Russian skinheads.

I’m fine with that distinction though I’m not convinced that anti-Putin militias are composed of skinheads. The leader appears to have White nationalist ties but their main motivation is removing Putin.

MacGregor, Ritter and Russian State TV all refer to the anti-Putin forces as Ukrainian.

They don’t like admitting that Russians are shooting Russians. It undermines the narrative of Russian unity.

As for air defense, it evidently works to some degree, especially against an adversary with minimal industrial capacity (say Hamas vs Israel), but against an adversary with industrial capacity, in the long run it just incentivizes your enemy to go for quantity over quality.

Yes in the long term such systems favor overwhelming them with quantity but it still makes sense to deploy them in the current conflict. Russia has limited industrial capability as Putin underestimated their dependence on Western tech. Ukrainians in fact have captured Russian weapons with off the shelf Western chips. The Russians even had a jet with a Garmin type device duct taped to the dash. There are still grounded planes because they can’t purchase spare parts. At the start of the war I had Putin defenders tell me that such shortages wouldn’t happen because Fortress Roosa ™ is an island of industrial superpower. Seems Putin also bought into that bullshit and didn’t do a basic 10 second google on their imports.

In a future war I don’t see any type of missile defense system lasting long. The next gen drones will be too powerful and will come in swarms. Another reason why I would like to cut our military budget.

…I went to university with a count from your region

What are you 90-years old? (That would explain a lot…:)

We don’t care about the “nobility” bullshit that you push here, the inbred homos (many among them) are dead or pretend for the Hollywood types something about their “pedigree’. You are so removed from it that you buy the nonsense.

My grandpa had a former “Hungarian countess” as a servant, she milked his cows and could barely spell her name and was so sickly she couldn’t chew on her food. Central Europe in the 20th century was full of these losers, they couldn’t really work, they were too lazy, some were angry and tried to leave for “America” so they could hustle fools like you. Many simply died off. Their blood was too thin.

The survivors intermarried to healthier stock with some actual blood flow. I feel sorry for you that you buy this nonsense. On examination, almost all these “nobles” turn out to make up stuff, invent myths and lie. The “noble” blood is among all of us, they melted into the population. But if you have nothing else to hold on to, by all means, dream about the “nobility”. But it makes you look like a nerdy American fool.