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For those interested, here’s my most recent article on the origins of the Israel/Gaza conflict and Jewish paranoia:

 
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  1. I’ve got a question for AP: Does the collapse of the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia indicate that Austria-Hungary was more likely than not to eventually fail even without World War I? I mean, you could say that Communism played a large role in the collapse of the former countries mentioned here, but the schisms that existed within them often existed even before Communism came along there. Lothrop Stoddard, for instance, already predicted an eventual Slovak secessionist push to achieve full independence back in his 1924 book Racial realities in Europe. Likewise, Slovenes and Croats resented the fact that they were politically dominated by the less civilized and less cultured Serbs in the interwar era.

    Would the main thing that have ensured that Austria-Hungary would not have collapsed or broken up in the absence of World War I have been German military force and German willingness to prop up its main and biggest ally by force by any means necessary? Along with, of course, continued German unwillingness to incorporate Austria’s Catholic Germans into the German Reich for fear for too heavily distorting the religious balance in the German Empire in favor of Catholics?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    I’ve got a question for AP: Does the collapse of the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia indicate that Austria-Hungary was more likely than not to eventually fail even without World War I?
     
    Who knows? It collapsed due to World War I and the idiotic and malevolent Wilson pushing for it. Under different conditions it could have evolved into a sort of giant Switzerland.

    For Poles, Austria was a sanctuary compared to the Russian and German Empires. For Ukrainians, it was the same vis a vis Russia. As long as those existed there was no real separatism. Croats and Slovenes seems to have been loyal. Slovaks don't rebel, they serve. Czechs hadn't rebelled in centuries, and they lived well and had a healthy cultural life, Masaryk originally wanted to reform A-H into a federation. Hungarians were potential troublemakers, they didn't want their Slovak slaves taken away.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Derer
    @Mr. XYZ

    The collapse of the Soviets, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia coincide with the collapse of the communist tyranny that kept it together by force.

    The EU project is awaiting the same fate...it cannot survive the impossible task of getting away with taking away sovereignty of individual highly nationalistic countries. It cannot survive for "polluting" ethnically homogeneous countries by the visible minorities of the former colonizing countries.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  2. As a side note, the Bolsheviks were truly evil little shits: They refused to allow or tolerate any dissent outside of the party, even when this dissent was “revolutionary”, as with the Kronstadt sailors back in 1921, and Stalin ultimately decided to take this logic to the next level by refusing to tolerate any dissent within the party either. The Bolsheviks would have been much better off creating a multiparty system back in the early 1920s in exchange for them getting immunity for committing the Red Terror in the past (not committing the Red Terror would have, of course, been even better, but you can’t ask the Bolsheviks to be too nice, unfortunately) even if this would have meant that the Bolsheviks would have lost the next elections and been consigned to the opposition benches. After all, even life in the political opposition would have been much, much better than being brutally and gruesomely purged and killed by Stalin, a fellow comrade.

    Revolutions truly do sometimes devour their own children.

    • Replies: @Derer
    @Mr. XYZ

    David R. Francis US ambassador to Russia sent a dispatch to Washington in Jan. 1918:

    “The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90% of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”

  3. Russia using original Maxim machine gun from 1884:

    “Russia has the most advanced military in the world. They cannot be defeated on the battlefield.”

    – Scott Ritter after the invasion started.

    That was after his long rant about how Russia will never invade. Last I checked it is still on RT.news. Russian media was too lazy to remove it.

    • Troll: Mikhail, YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    Hard to believe...incredible! :-)

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    It looks like the guys who made the video used a black powder grenade. Maybe they promised not to damage the museum piece.

    A wiki reference from 2022 says the Ukies are still using these. If they are doing spray and pray I guess it doesn't matter.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail

    , @Derer
    @John Johnson

    Taliban kicked out the US "invincible" military by Russian AK-47, old but very effective. It is not the hardware but the soldiers fighting purpose. Where do you think US unemployed or homeless go...defending/dying for the sinister Washington parasites, to get some veterans' crumbs.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

  4. No discussion of the new mobilisation law in the Ukraine? They really are trying to kill every last Ukrainian, thankfully most have fled abroad, not least of all to Russia.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @LondonBob

    Do you know how difficult it is today for a draft age Ukrainian male to leave Ukraine? Last that I saw (on a documentary on the subject) the favorite route was through Romania. How about crossing the Polish, Slovak or Hungarian borders? Direct attempts from Boryspil through to Germany or France would seem futile at this point?

    Replies: @Beckow, @LondonBob, @AP

    , @Europe Europa
    @LondonBob

    In a war people don't normally just give up and accept defeat. If Britain invaded Ireland I'm sure you'd support them in fighting to the death rather than just accept being part of the UK so they don't die.

    People like you are always anti-British, yet if someone else gets invaded by a foreign occupier, you say "Just surrender, stop being so bigoted".

    If a government came to power in the UK that decided to end the Northern Ireland problem by making the whole of Ireland part of the UK, the entire world would be screaming for the UK to be nuked and I'm sure you'd be screaming with them. Russia gets off light by comparison.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @AnonfromTN
    @LondonBob


    No discussion of the new mobilisation law in the Ukraine? They really are trying to kill every last Ukrainian, thankfully most have fled abroad, not least of all to Russia.
     
    Real population of Ukraine before SMO was 25-27 million. By EU stats, ~4 million ran away there. More than 5 million ran away to Russia. That still leaves 16-18 million on the territory remaining under Kiev regime control.

    The clown and his accomplices would willingly sacrifice them all to benefit the empire. However, looks like those who remain are not as stupid as the empire and its servants in Kiev would like them to be. There are videos on the web showing empty streets in various Ukrainian townships. Men and women do not step out of their homes because they do not want to risk being caught by ruthless Ukie “recruiters” and become expandable cannon fodder.
  5. @LondonBob
    No discussion of the new mobilisation law in the Ukraine? They really are trying to kill every last Ukrainian, thankfully most have fled abroad, not least of all to Russia.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Europe Europa, @AnonfromTN

    Do you know how difficult it is today for a draft age Ukrainian male to leave Ukraine? Last that I saw (on a documentary on the subject) the favorite route was through Romania. How about crossing the Polish, Slovak or Hungarian borders? Direct attempts from Boryspil through to Germany or France would seem futile at this point?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ...Do you know how difficult it is today for a draft age Ukrainian male to leave Ukraine?
     
    Maybe the problem is that the draft age is incredibly long, 18 to 60 or something like that, basically every man. Given the normal distribution of views on fighting to death for a questionable cause that means that millions of Ukies will try to escape.

    The main problem we hear about is that the priviledged people are exempted: kids and relatives of the most fanatical Kiev politicians are abroad, artists who cheered "kill the Russkies" on Maidan, and almost all oligarchs and petty local chieftains...

    It is a classical war that kills a huge number of ordinary, unconnected men - in addition to the fanatic dead-enders who were craving this for some bizarre psycho reason. I can't wait for the look-back. How will anyone justify the massive destruction of a nation for the strange desire to be in Nato? What does that even mean to most Ukie people to be "in Nato"?

    Replies: @AP

    , @LondonBob
    @Mr. Hack

    Dima of Military Summary discussed this the other day, his friend there said it is 10,000 USD so was reluctant, he advised him to do it as the price is likely to go up.

    , @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    Do you know how difficult it is today for a draft age Ukrainian male to leave Ukraine?
     
    From what I've heard it's about a year's annual average wag in Ukraine ($7,500) or more. A middle class or rich person can do it, but a poor person cannot.

    It's comparable to the price of hiring a smuggler to get oneself from Central America to the USA. But the trip to Romania is a lot easier than the trip across the Mexican desert.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

  6. @John Johnson
    Russia using original Maxim machine gun from 1884:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4MouJ4bCO0

    "Russia has the most advanced military in the world. They cannot be defeated on the battlefield."

    - Scott Ritter after the invasion started.

    That was after his long rant about how Russia will never invade. Last I checked it is still on RT.news. Russian media was too lazy to remove it.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @QCIC, @Derer

    Hard to believe…incredible! 🙂

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr. Hack

    Extremely hard to believe, and literally incredible.

  7. @LondonBob
    No discussion of the new mobilisation law in the Ukraine? They really are trying to kill every last Ukrainian, thankfully most have fled abroad, not least of all to Russia.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Europe Europa, @AnonfromTN

    In a war people don’t normally just give up and accept defeat. If Britain invaded Ireland I’m sure you’d support them in fighting to the death rather than just accept being part of the UK so they don’t die.

    People like you are always anti-British, yet if someone else gets invaded by a foreign occupier, you say “Just surrender, stop being so bigoted”.

    If a government came to power in the UK that decided to end the Northern Ireland problem by making the whole of Ireland part of the UK, the entire world would be screaming for the UK to be nuked and I’m sure you’d be screaming with them. Russia gets off light by comparison.

    • Agree: LatW
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Europe Europa

    You are really bad with analogies. Both Crimea and Donbass are ethnically Russian. So it would be more like Ireland invading Ulster to suppress the British-leaning population. Then Britain invades to protect them from being expelled and killed. And Ireland would argue with the inviolability of Ireland's 'natural' borders...

    But this war is not even about that - the ethnic issues would have been resolved if it wasn't for the plan to move Nato to Ukraine. Something "Europe" is desperately trying not to mention...it is the elephant in the room, the casus belli...

    The main question in every war: is the cause worth dying for? Is it an existential issue? Nobody with a 3-digit IQ would argue that Ukraine in Nato is worth it. Maybe for the Nuland-Blinken gang and a few unrepentant latter-day Nazis like Baerbock, BoJo, Sholz, Poles-Balts...but not for normal people. So you hide the truth. That doesn't help anyone.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

  8. @John Johnson
    Russia using original Maxim machine gun from 1884:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4MouJ4bCO0

    "Russia has the most advanced military in the world. They cannot be defeated on the battlefield."

    - Scott Ritter after the invasion started.

    That was after his long rant about how Russia will never invade. Last I checked it is still on RT.news. Russian media was too lazy to remove it.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @QCIC, @Derer

    It looks like the guys who made the video used a black powder grenade. Maybe they promised not to damage the museum piece.

    A wiki reference from 2022 says the Ukies are still using these. If they are doing spray and pray I guess it doesn’t matter.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    It looks like the guys who made the video used a black powder grenade. Maybe they promised not to damage the museum piece.

    Of course Comrade. Everything is going as planned. It must be Western propaganda. The 2.5 week special operation will be a success and Putin will be revered as a great warlord. Now let us run into the trenches and die for his greatness!

    A wiki reference from 2022 says the Ukies are still using these. If they are doing spray and pray I guess it doesn’t matter.

    Ukraine has used them but the difference is that they don't claim to be the second largest military in the world.

    More evidence that Russia is short on small arms:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LrS32Z9khU

    Who would have guessed that they would run low on AK-47s. Seems they sold too many to Arab and African states.

    , @Mikhail
    @QCIC

    He's really a waste of time. Kiev regime counter-offensive clearly failed. Now they're trying desperately to get their nationals abroad to fight, in addition to the press gangs they have within their domain.

  9. @Mr. Hack
    @LondonBob

    Do you know how difficult it is today for a draft age Ukrainian male to leave Ukraine? Last that I saw (on a documentary on the subject) the favorite route was through Romania. How about crossing the Polish, Slovak or Hungarian borders? Direct attempts from Boryspil through to Germany or France would seem futile at this point?

    Replies: @Beckow, @LondonBob, @AP

    …Do you know how difficult it is today for a draft age Ukrainian male to leave Ukraine?

    Maybe the problem is that the draft age is incredibly long, 18 to 60 or something like that, basically every man. Given the normal distribution of views on fighting to death for a questionable cause that means that millions of Ukies will try to escape.

    The main problem we hear about is that the priviledged people are exempted: kids and relatives of the most fanatical Kiev politicians are abroad, artists who cheered “kill the Russkies” on Maidan, and almost all oligarchs and petty local chieftains…

    It is a classical war that kills a huge number of ordinary, unconnected men – in addition to the fanatic dead-enders who were craving this for some bizarre psycho reason. I can’t wait for the look-back. How will anyone justify the massive destruction of a nation for the strange desire to be in Nato? What does that even mean to most Ukie people to be “in Nato”?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Maybe the problem is that the draft age is incredibly long, 18 to 60 or something like that, basically every man.
     
    The youngest was 27, recently changed to 25.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/26/ukraine-proposes-lowering-age-for-military-conscription-from-27-to-25#:~:text=An%20explanatory%20note%20signed%20by,from%2027%20to%2025%20years%E2%80%9D.

    They are trying to avoid drafting young people for demographic reasons (many people under 25 have not yet had a chance to produce children).

    Of course, people younger than 25 have voluntereed and are not turned away.

    massive destruction of a nation for the strange desire to be in Nato
     
    This is the Russian, not Ukrainian, excuse for it. Ukrainians fight to keep out Russian invaders.

    If this were World War II you would be claiming that all those Poles died for the strange desire to hold onto the Danzig corridor and to repress Germans in Poland. And not because they fought invaders.
  10. @Europe Europa
    @LondonBob

    In a war people don't normally just give up and accept defeat. If Britain invaded Ireland I'm sure you'd support them in fighting to the death rather than just accept being part of the UK so they don't die.

    People like you are always anti-British, yet if someone else gets invaded by a foreign occupier, you say "Just surrender, stop being so bigoted".

    If a government came to power in the UK that decided to end the Northern Ireland problem by making the whole of Ireland part of the UK, the entire world would be screaming for the UK to be nuked and I'm sure you'd be screaming with them. Russia gets off light by comparison.

    Replies: @Beckow

    You are really bad with analogies. Both Crimea and Donbass are ethnically Russian. So it would be more like Ireland invading Ulster to suppress the British-leaning population. Then Britain invades to protect them from being expelled and killed. And Ireland would argue with the inviolability of Ireland’s ‘natural’ borders…

    But this war is not even about that – the ethnic issues would have been resolved if it wasn’t for the plan to move Nato to Ukraine. Something “Europe” is desperately trying not to mention…it is the elephant in the room, the casus belli

    The main question in every war: is the cause worth dying for? Is it an existential issue? Nobody with a 3-digit IQ would argue that Ukraine in Nato is worth it. Maybe for the Nuland-Blinken gang and a few unrepentant latter-day Nazis like Baerbock, BoJo, Sholz, Poles-Balts…but not for normal people. So you hide the truth. That doesn’t help anyone.

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @A123
    @Beckow


    The main question in every war: is the cause worth dying for? Is it an existential issue? Nobody with a 3-digit IQ would argue that Ukraine in Nato is worth it.
     
    I concur.

    If the fight was about the now failed dream of NATO expansion, concessions would have been made to end the engagement. So, think a few steps further. Why it is still going?

    What *is* existential for European elites:
        • Breaking up Eastern unity against Brussels?
        • Maximizing migration?
    It certainly looks like the EU achieved a win in the Poland elections.

    Much like GW in Iraq, I am not sure that Merkel/Scholz and Macron have thought this through. Can the EU survive:
        ‣ Admitting Ukraine?
        ‣ Or, giving them a special, non-member deal?
    The consequences of closer ties with a reduced, but still physically large, Ukraine will be destabilizing.

    PEACE 😇

    , @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    You are really bad with analogies. Both Crimea and Donbass are ethnically Russian.

    You mean Crimea is majority Russian speaking. That actually isn't a measurement of whether or not they want to join Russia. Are you saying the Crimean vote was legitimate?

    So it would be more like Ireland invading Ulster to suppress the British-leaning population.

    So you then believe that Russia's invasion of Zapozorista Oblast is unjust and they are right to fight back since they are overwhelmingly Ukrainian and never supported pro-Russian parties?

    You do acknowledge that Russia tried invading Kiev? Was that justified?

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    So, if Ukraine would have committed to not joining NATO but would have also eventually done an Operation Storm against the Donbass, or at least tried to do so, Russia would have done absolutely nothing?

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    You are really bad with analogies. Both Crimea and Donbass are ethnically Russian.
     
    Crimea wasn't touched by Ukraine until after 2022. Donbas is mixed, like Northern Ireland

    So it would be more like Ireland invading Ulster to suppress the British-leaning population.
     
    It would be like if Ulster became part of Ireland when Ireland gained independence, but after 24 years of independence Britain took it back by arming a rebellion and sending it troops to help the rebels, in the process driving out Ulster's Catholic minority. And 8 years after that invading Ireland proper in order to install a pro-British government with the excuse of protecting the English and Protestant minority in Ireland.
  11. @LondonBob
    No discussion of the new mobilisation law in the Ukraine? They really are trying to kill every last Ukrainian, thankfully most have fled abroad, not least of all to Russia.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Europe Europa, @AnonfromTN

    No discussion of the new mobilisation law in the Ukraine? They really are trying to kill every last Ukrainian, thankfully most have fled abroad, not least of all to Russia.

    Real population of Ukraine before SMO was 25-27 million. By EU stats, ~4 million ran away there. More than 5 million ran away to Russia. That still leaves 16-18 million on the territory remaining under Kiev regime control.

    The clown and his accomplices would willingly sacrifice them all to benefit the empire. However, looks like those who remain are not as stupid as the empire and its servants in Kiev would like them to be. There are videos on the web showing empty streets in various Ukrainian townships. Men and women do not step out of their homes because they do not want to risk being caught by ruthless Ukie “recruiters” and become expandable cannon fodder.

    • Agree: Mikhail
  12. @Beckow
    @Europe Europa

    You are really bad with analogies. Both Crimea and Donbass are ethnically Russian. So it would be more like Ireland invading Ulster to suppress the British-leaning population. Then Britain invades to protect them from being expelled and killed. And Ireland would argue with the inviolability of Ireland's 'natural' borders...

    But this war is not even about that - the ethnic issues would have been resolved if it wasn't for the plan to move Nato to Ukraine. Something "Europe" is desperately trying not to mention...it is the elephant in the room, the casus belli...

    The main question in every war: is the cause worth dying for? Is it an existential issue? Nobody with a 3-digit IQ would argue that Ukraine in Nato is worth it. Maybe for the Nuland-Blinken gang and a few unrepentant latter-day Nazis like Baerbock, BoJo, Sholz, Poles-Balts...but not for normal people. So you hide the truth. That doesn't help anyone.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    The main question in every war: is the cause worth dying for? Is it an existential issue? Nobody with a 3-digit IQ would argue that Ukraine in Nato is worth it.

    I concur.

    If the fight was about the now failed dream of NATO expansion, concessions would have been made to end the engagement. So, think a few steps further. Why it is still going?

    What *is* existential for European elites:
        • Breaking up Eastern unity against Brussels?
        • Maximizing migration?
    It certainly looks like the EU achieved a win in the Poland elections.

    Much like GW in Iraq, I am not sure that Merkel/Scholz and Macron have thought this through. Can the EU survive:
        ‣ Admitting Ukraine?
        ‣ Or, giving them a special, non-member deal?
    The consequences of closer ties with a reduced, but still physically large, Ukraine will be destabilizing.

    PEACE 😇

  13. Good News from Disney.

    Is this a one-off? Or, is the threat of a hostile takeover bringing Bob Iger to reality? Sadly, it is most likely the former.

    ✝️ MERRY CHRISTMAS ☦️

  14. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    It looks like the guys who made the video used a black powder grenade. Maybe they promised not to damage the museum piece.

    A wiki reference from 2022 says the Ukies are still using these. If they are doing spray and pray I guess it doesn't matter.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail

    It looks like the guys who made the video used a black powder grenade. Maybe they promised not to damage the museum piece.

    Of course Comrade. Everything is going as planned. It must be Western propaganda. The 2.5 week special operation will be a success and Putin will be revered as a great warlord. Now let us run into the trenches and die for his greatness!

    A wiki reference from 2022 says the Ukies are still using these. If they are doing spray and pray I guess it doesn’t matter.

    Ukraine has used them but the difference is that they don’t claim to be the second largest military in the world.

    More evidence that Russia is short on small arms:

    Who would have guessed that they would run low on AK-47s. Seems they sold too many to Arab and African states.

  15. @Beckow
    @Europe Europa

    You are really bad with analogies. Both Crimea and Donbass are ethnically Russian. So it would be more like Ireland invading Ulster to suppress the British-leaning population. Then Britain invades to protect them from being expelled and killed. And Ireland would argue with the inviolability of Ireland's 'natural' borders...

    But this war is not even about that - the ethnic issues would have been resolved if it wasn't for the plan to move Nato to Ukraine. Something "Europe" is desperately trying not to mention...it is the elephant in the room, the casus belli...

    The main question in every war: is the cause worth dying for? Is it an existential issue? Nobody with a 3-digit IQ would argue that Ukraine in Nato is worth it. Maybe for the Nuland-Blinken gang and a few unrepentant latter-day Nazis like Baerbock, BoJo, Sholz, Poles-Balts...but not for normal people. So you hide the truth. That doesn't help anyone.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    You are really bad with analogies. Both Crimea and Donbass are ethnically Russian.

    You mean Crimea is majority Russian speaking. That actually isn’t a measurement of whether or not they want to join Russia. Are you saying the Crimean vote was legitimate?

    So it would be more like Ireland invading Ulster to suppress the British-leaning population.

    So you then believe that Russia’s invasion of Zapozorista Oblast is unjust and they are right to fight back since they are overwhelmingly Ukrainian and never supported pro-Russian parties?

    You do acknowledge that Russia tried invading Kiev? Was that justified?

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    Are you saying the Crimean vote was legitimate?
     
    As legitimate as any voting in a conflict zone. But yes, it reflected the will of the majority in Crimea. If you redo it, you will get the same pro-Russia result.

    Russia’s invasion of Zapozorista Oblast is unjust and they are right to fight back since they are overwhelmingly Ukrainian and never supported pro-Russian parties?
     
    We are in the total war so now it is not about justice or what you claim about pre-war support. It is now about two sides with diametrically opposing goals and the stronger one will win. The time to talk about justice was in 2014-20 when Kiev was bombing its own Donbas civilians, arming with Nato for a war on Russia, banning Russians language.

    That train has left the station, now it is about who wins. They will decide what is "just", it is always like that. Nato did it in Serbia, Iraq, Libya, etc...what planet do you live on? (Go easy on the Walmart fluffy bread....:)


    Russia tried invading Kiev? Was that justified?
     
    To objective observers it looked like Russia was trying to pressure Kiev into making a deal. The deal was very simple: no Nato and autonomy-independence for Donbas. Kiev refused. Now we have an all-out war and Ukraine is losing. That deal, or any version of Minsk would have been much better for the Ukies. It is too late for that.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @YetAnotherAnon

  16. If the Israelis think that Netanyahu is trying to “save them” then they should think again.

    Did Hitler save the Germans? Look what a pathetic nation they are now.

    No, narcissist like Netanyahu and Hitler never saved anything in their lives…they only destroy, either for twisted ideologies or lust, corruption and greed.

  17. @John Johnson
    Russia using original Maxim machine gun from 1884:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4MouJ4bCO0

    "Russia has the most advanced military in the world. They cannot be defeated on the battlefield."

    - Scott Ritter after the invasion started.

    That was after his long rant about how Russia will never invade. Last I checked it is still on RT.news. Russian media was too lazy to remove it.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @QCIC, @Derer

    Taliban kicked out the US “invincible” military by Russian AK-47, old but very effective. It is not the hardware but the soldiers fighting purpose. Where do you think US unemployed or homeless go…defending/dying for the sinister Washington parasites, to get some veterans’ crumbs.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Derer


    Taliban kicked out the US
     
    ROTFL -- The description "kicked out" is ludicrous.

    Trump accurately realized that the U.S. had no national interest at stake in Afghanistan. It was clear that departure was the correct choice. He was working out the details of a deal to gracefully leave, handing over the reins to local actors including some elements of the Taliban.

    Personal blame for the failed withdrawal falls on Gen. SJW Milley, Not-The-President Biden, and their associates. Those unelected individuals took what should have been an orderly wrap up and turned it into an unnecessary fiasco.

    It is not the hardware but the soldiers fighting purpose
     
    I concur with this.

    It explains why indigenous Palestinian Jews are winning ~20:1 versus Hamas. Israel is in a fight for survival, and thus has soldiers with "fighting purpose". The Iranian proxy troops on the ground are realizing that Hamas leadership in Qatar and Iran is expending them with no viable plan.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @YetAnotherAnon, @Derer

    , @John Johnson
    @Derer

    Taliban kicked out the US “invincible” military by Russian AK-47, old but very effective.

    The Taliban never kicked out the US military. That is a myth.

    US casualties in the last few years were below peacetime. Meaning you were more likely to be killed on vacation in Florida.

    The main problem was the cost. You have to fly practically everything into the country. It really is a logistical nightmare. I didn't support Biden's embarrassing exit but we couldn't fund Kabul indefinitely. The Afghan security forces would only fight with US air support and it's expensive to fly jets all over a large country.

    It's a myth propagated by the media that it was a Vietnam. The Taliban lost nearly all of their territory in one year. The US to Taliban kill ratio was something like 100 to 1.

    As for the Maxim machine gun I'm not saying it is ineffective. I am pointing out that the Russian military obviously has shortages if they are using them.

    The Russian Maxim is from 1910 and is really just the 1887 design:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PM_M1910

    An MG34 would be a massive upgrade.

    I would take an AK-47 over an M1910. A Maxim could be used for covering fire but then everyone would start shooting at you. They probably don't have much ammo for it. I'd rather take an AK with the concealment advantage. Finns however made great use of the 1910 in the Winter War. They would use them against Russians that couldn't move quickly in deep snow.

    It is not the hardware but the soldiers fighting purpose.

    Well then Russia is in trouble since very few of the Russian POWs can explain why the war exists.

    I don't think purpose is that important if the population is willing to die for the dictator and not ask questions. Unless you mean their purpose is to die in a state of confusion and hopelessness.

    Russians seems bred for serving the empire. That is why the USSR lasted for so long. It just isn't in their nature to rebel or question the government. Marx even wrote about how Russia would be the ideal first Soviet state since they had so many poor rural laborers that were used to serving the Tsar. He also correctly predicted that the Germans, British and Americans would be difficult to convert. Lenin envisioned a Communist Europe led by German that would compete against America. Both Marx and Lenin expected continental European Communism to be led by the Germans.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikhail

  18. @Beckow
    @Europe Europa

    You are really bad with analogies. Both Crimea and Donbass are ethnically Russian. So it would be more like Ireland invading Ulster to suppress the British-leaning population. Then Britain invades to protect them from being expelled and killed. And Ireland would argue with the inviolability of Ireland's 'natural' borders...

    But this war is not even about that - the ethnic issues would have been resolved if it wasn't for the plan to move Nato to Ukraine. Something "Europe" is desperately trying not to mention...it is the elephant in the room, the casus belli...

    The main question in every war: is the cause worth dying for? Is it an existential issue? Nobody with a 3-digit IQ would argue that Ukraine in Nato is worth it. Maybe for the Nuland-Blinken gang and a few unrepentant latter-day Nazis like Baerbock, BoJo, Sholz, Poles-Balts...but not for normal people. So you hide the truth. That doesn't help anyone.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    So, if Ukraine would have committed to not joining NATO but would have also eventually done an Operation Storm against the Donbass, or at least tried to do so, Russia would have done absolutely nothing?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...if Ukraine would have committed to not joining NATO but would have also eventually done an Operation Storm against the Donbass
     
    A hypothetical we don't know the answer to. If Kiev made a commitment to neutrality and gave Donbas Russians autonomy (Minsk) it would be hard for Kremlin to sell the war at home. If Kiev tried an Operation Storm with big Russian civilian casualties, Russia would intervene to stop it - as they did in Ossetia-Georgia 2008 and in Donbas 2014-15. Whether that would expand to an all-out war is impossible to know.

    What has made the bloody escalation possible is the EU not stepping in and asking Kiev to observe basic modern human rights - attacking and bombing your own citizens because they want "autonomy" and Russian-language schools is on its face criminal. EU would never allow it in Catalonia, Belgium...

    This is at the core a failure of Europe to live by its own loudly proclaimed "values". It will have very bad consequences - Europe went back 2-3 generations "because Russia"...

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

  19. @Derer
    @John Johnson

    Taliban kicked out the US "invincible" military by Russian AK-47, old but very effective. It is not the hardware but the soldiers fighting purpose. Where do you think US unemployed or homeless go...defending/dying for the sinister Washington parasites, to get some veterans' crumbs.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

    Taliban kicked out the US

    ROTFL — The description “kicked out” is ludicrous.

    Trump accurately realized that the U.S. had no national interest at stake in Afghanistan. It was clear that departure was the correct choice. He was working out the details of a deal to gracefully leave, handing over the reins to local actors including some elements of the Taliban.

    Personal blame for the failed withdrawal falls on Gen. SJW Milley, Not-The-President Biden, and their associates. Those unelected individuals took what should have been an orderly wrap up and turned it into an unnecessary fiasco.

    It is not the hardware but the soldiers fighting purpose

    I concur with this.

    It explains why indigenous Palestinian Jews are winning ~20:1 versus Hamas. Israel is in a fight for survival, and thus has soldiers with “fighting purpose”. The Iranian proxy troops on the ground are realizing that Hamas leadership in Qatar and Iran is expending them with no viable plan.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @A123


    The Iranian proxy troops on the ground are realizing that Hamas leadership in Qatar and Iran is expending them with no viable plan.
     
    The plan is for each of them to get 72 virgins--oops, I meant 72 raisins!--in Paradise!

    https://preview.redd.it/no-mucus-plz-v0-5spvibgl1uha1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=02cd5a4035e2745f2a356060b38a841ebe6865c1

    Replies: @A123

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @A123

    "It explains why indigenous Palestinian Jews are winning ~20:1 versus Hamas."

    In women and children killed, it might be 30 or 40 to one.

    It's obviously the soldiers fighting purpose that makes their bombing aircraft so effective...

    Replies: @A123

    , @Derer
    @A123

    Your invented definition of "kicked out" will not help you. The US military went to Afghanistan to destroy "mean, medieval" Taliban and the Taliban has repelled the invading insect and restore the power in Afghanistan. No matter how you massage (MSM is good at that) the "kicked out" expression, the US military is not there anymore.

    The sad part is that in the USA there is nobody responsible for idiotic decisions (Iraq, Libya) that cause loss of life and the taxpayers money in vain.

    Replies: @A123

  20. @A123
    @Derer


    Taliban kicked out the US
     
    ROTFL -- The description "kicked out" is ludicrous.

    Trump accurately realized that the U.S. had no national interest at stake in Afghanistan. It was clear that departure was the correct choice. He was working out the details of a deal to gracefully leave, handing over the reins to local actors including some elements of the Taliban.

    Personal blame for the failed withdrawal falls on Gen. SJW Milley, Not-The-President Biden, and their associates. Those unelected individuals took what should have been an orderly wrap up and turned it into an unnecessary fiasco.

    It is not the hardware but the soldiers fighting purpose
     
    I concur with this.

    It explains why indigenous Palestinian Jews are winning ~20:1 versus Hamas. Israel is in a fight for survival, and thus has soldiers with "fighting purpose". The Iranian proxy troops on the ground are realizing that Hamas leadership in Qatar and Iran is expending them with no viable plan.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @YetAnotherAnon, @Derer

    The Iranian proxy troops on the ground are realizing that Hamas leadership in Qatar and Iran is expending them with no viable plan.

    The plan is for each of them to get 72 virgins–oops, I meant 72 raisins!–in Paradise!

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mr. XYZ

    LOL... They have been deceived by the SatanoAllah and the Anti-Christ Muhammad. It is more like this...

     
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3b/c7/8f/3bc78fbf33f5b5761af328e874db2087.jpg
     

    ✝️ MERRY CHRISTMAS ☦️

    Replies: @John Johnson

  21. BTW, I’ve got another question for AP: Do you think that Silesia would have fared better under the Hapsburgs from the 1740s to the early 20th century (before the 1930s-1940s) than it fared under the Hohenzollerns in real life, had the Hapsburgs actually managed to keep it or, alternatively, quickly reconquer it from the Hohenzollerns?

  22. Haven’t watched the entire thing, but this is a very interesting video documentary of a years long feud between two related Irish Traveler families. Every now and again they settle things between themselves with bare knuckle fights. At 18:30 the local Gardaí (armed with Uzis and with helicopters) stop one of their fights from taking place. [Though referred to as ‘Gypsies’, they’re not really, but full blooded Irish.]

    To be sure, it’s unfortunate they don’t spend all that energy on more positive pursuits, nevertheless it’s fascinating.

    • Thanks: songbird
  23. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    It looks like the guys who made the video used a black powder grenade. Maybe they promised not to damage the museum piece.

    A wiki reference from 2022 says the Ukies are still using these. If they are doing spray and pray I guess it doesn't matter.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikhail

    He’s really a waste of time. Kiev regime counter-offensive clearly failed. Now they’re trying desperately to get their nationals abroad to fight, in addition to the press gangs they have within their domain.

  24. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    So, if Ukraine would have committed to not joining NATO but would have also eventually done an Operation Storm against the Donbass, or at least tried to do so, Russia would have done absolutely nothing?

    Replies: @Beckow

    …if Ukraine would have committed to not joining NATO but would have also eventually done an Operation Storm against the Donbass

    A hypothetical we don’t know the answer to. If Kiev made a commitment to neutrality and gave Donbas Russians autonomy (Minsk) it would be hard for Kremlin to sell the war at home. If Kiev tried an Operation Storm with big Russian civilian casualties, Russia would intervene to stop it – as they did in Ossetia-Georgia 2008 and in Donbas 2014-15. Whether that would expand to an all-out war is impossible to know.

    What has made the bloody escalation possible is the EU not stepping in and asking Kiev to observe basic modern human rights – attacking and bombing your own citizens because they want “autonomy” and Russian-language schools is on its face criminal. EU would never allow it in Catalonia, Belgium…

    This is at the core a failure of Europe to live by its own loudly proclaimed “values”. It will have very bad consequences – Europe went back 2-3 generations “because Russia“…

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Beckow

    I think Russia would have pressed for concessions which Kiev would be unlikely to give voluntarily. NATO had been training and arming Ukraine for a long time. Western power brokers were woven into the Ukrainian leadership fabric (Nuland, Burisma, etc.). Serious anti-Russia military activities were afoot in places like Azovstal and maybe the US-funded bioweapons laboratories. I doubt Russia would believe that these sorts of activities and connections can be unwound voluntarily. Don't forget that the Ukraine project by the West fits into the middle of NATO expansion, USA dropping out of nuclear arms control treaties and emplacing missiles in Eastern Europe. Ukraine is not an isolated concern in a vacuum, it is just the most visible part of a long standing anti-Russia program.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    What has made the bloody escalation possible is the EU not stepping in and asking Kiev to observe basic modern human rights – attacking and bombing your own citizens because they want “autonomy” and Russian-language schools is on its face criminal. EU would never allow it in Catalonia, Belgium…

     

    It allows it in France and the Baltics.

    Replies: @LatW, @Beckow

  25. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    You are really bad with analogies. Both Crimea and Donbass are ethnically Russian.

    You mean Crimea is majority Russian speaking. That actually isn't a measurement of whether or not they want to join Russia. Are you saying the Crimean vote was legitimate?

    So it would be more like Ireland invading Ulster to suppress the British-leaning population.

    So you then believe that Russia's invasion of Zapozorista Oblast is unjust and they are right to fight back since they are overwhelmingly Ukrainian and never supported pro-Russian parties?

    You do acknowledge that Russia tried invading Kiev? Was that justified?

    Replies: @Beckow

    Are you saying the Crimean vote was legitimate?

    As legitimate as any voting in a conflict zone. But yes, it reflected the will of the majority in Crimea. If you redo it, you will get the same pro-Russia result.

    Russia’s invasion of Zapozorista Oblast is unjust and they are right to fight back since they are overwhelmingly Ukrainian and never supported pro-Russian parties?

    We are in the total war so now it is not about justice or what you claim about pre-war support. It is now about two sides with diametrically opposing goals and the stronger one will win. The time to talk about justice was in 2014-20 when Kiev was bombing its own Donbas civilians, arming with Nato for a war on Russia, banning Russians language.

    That train has left the station, now it is about who wins. They will decide what is “just”, it is always like that. Nato did it in Serbia, Iraq, Libya, etc…what planet do you live on? (Go easy on the Walmart fluffy bread….:)

    Russia tried invading Kiev? Was that justified?

    To objective observers it looked like Russia was trying to pressure Kiev into making a deal. The deal was very simple: no Nato and autonomy-independence for Donbas. Kiev refused. Now we have an all-out war and Ukraine is losing. That deal, or any version of Minsk would have been much better for the Ukies. It is too late for that.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    That deal, or any version of Minsk would have been much better for the Ukies. It is too late for that.
     
    Putin always goes from a better offer to a worse one for his opponents (if the first offer is not accepted). His first offer to Ukies was Minsk agreements. His second offer was made at the negotiations in 2022, which the masters of Ukies told them to reject. His third offer is usually unconditional capitulation.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Beckow

    What was really impressive in Crimea was when they asked the military garrisons if they wanted to join Russia or stay in the Ukrainian forces and leave Crimea. I forget the exact figures, but something like 12,000 chose to go to Ukraine and 30,000-plus chose to stay.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @Verymuchalive

  26. Remember the five stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. Some people publishing in NYT (of all places!) apparently have reached the stage of acceptance (at least partial). The piece is titled “Ukraine Doesn’t Need All Its Territory to Defeat Putin”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/opinion/ukraine-military-aid.html

    Is it an interesting sign, or what? Some bright spark might eventually come to the idea that Ukraine does not even need to defeat Putin. That would be the final acceptance of reality.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AnonfromTN

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mterA97DFWo

  27. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...if Ukraine would have committed to not joining NATO but would have also eventually done an Operation Storm against the Donbass
     
    A hypothetical we don't know the answer to. If Kiev made a commitment to neutrality and gave Donbas Russians autonomy (Minsk) it would be hard for Kremlin to sell the war at home. If Kiev tried an Operation Storm with big Russian civilian casualties, Russia would intervene to stop it - as they did in Ossetia-Georgia 2008 and in Donbas 2014-15. Whether that would expand to an all-out war is impossible to know.

    What has made the bloody escalation possible is the EU not stepping in and asking Kiev to observe basic modern human rights - attacking and bombing your own citizens because they want "autonomy" and Russian-language schools is on its face criminal. EU would never allow it in Catalonia, Belgium...

    This is at the core a failure of Europe to live by its own loudly proclaimed "values". It will have very bad consequences - Europe went back 2-3 generations "because Russia"...

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    I think Russia would have pressed for concessions which Kiev would be unlikely to give voluntarily. NATO had been training and arming Ukraine for a long time. Western power brokers were woven into the Ukrainian leadership fabric (Nuland, Burisma, etc.). Serious anti-Russia military activities were afoot in places like Azovstal and maybe the US-funded bioweapons laboratories. I doubt Russia would believe that these sorts of activities and connections can be unwound voluntarily. Don’t forget that the Ukraine project by the West fits into the middle of NATO expansion, USA dropping out of nuclear arms control treaties and emplacing missiles in Eastern Europe. Ukraine is not an isolated concern in a vacuum, it is just the most visible part of a long standing anti-Russia program.

  28. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    Are you saying the Crimean vote was legitimate?
     
    As legitimate as any voting in a conflict zone. But yes, it reflected the will of the majority in Crimea. If you redo it, you will get the same pro-Russia result.

    Russia’s invasion of Zapozorista Oblast is unjust and they are right to fight back since they are overwhelmingly Ukrainian and never supported pro-Russian parties?
     
    We are in the total war so now it is not about justice or what you claim about pre-war support. It is now about two sides with diametrically opposing goals and the stronger one will win. The time to talk about justice was in 2014-20 when Kiev was bombing its own Donbas civilians, arming with Nato for a war on Russia, banning Russians language.

    That train has left the station, now it is about who wins. They will decide what is "just", it is always like that. Nato did it in Serbia, Iraq, Libya, etc...what planet do you live on? (Go easy on the Walmart fluffy bread....:)


    Russia tried invading Kiev? Was that justified?
     
    To objective observers it looked like Russia was trying to pressure Kiev into making a deal. The deal was very simple: no Nato and autonomy-independence for Donbas. Kiev refused. Now we have an all-out war and Ukraine is losing. That deal, or any version of Minsk would have been much better for the Ukies. It is too late for that.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @YetAnotherAnon

    That deal, or any version of Minsk would have been much better for the Ukies. It is too late for that.

    Putin always goes from a better offer to a worse one for his opponents (if the first offer is not accepted). His first offer to Ukies was Minsk agreements. His second offer was made at the negotiations in 2022, which the masters of Ukies told them to reject. His third offer is usually unconditional capitulation.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    Putin always goes from a better offer to a worse one for his opponents (if the first offer is not accepted). His first offer to Ukies was Minsk agreements. His second offer was made at the negotiations in 2022, which the masters of Ukies told them to reject.

    You're talking about his offer where Ukraine agrees to de-militarize and not join NATO.

    And what exactly would stop Russia from invading Ukraine after handing over their weapons?

    Putin's word? The same Putin that promised to make LPR/DPR independent states and then threw their flags in the trash?

    The 2022 offer was just a trap. Putin must be used to the company of idiots if he thought it would work.

    Furthermore the offer was never made to Zelensky. Putin has had a bounty on his head since the start of the war. Does that sound like someone trying to negotiate in good faith?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Derer, @Sean

  29. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...if Ukraine would have committed to not joining NATO but would have also eventually done an Operation Storm against the Donbass
     
    A hypothetical we don't know the answer to. If Kiev made a commitment to neutrality and gave Donbas Russians autonomy (Minsk) it would be hard for Kremlin to sell the war at home. If Kiev tried an Operation Storm with big Russian civilian casualties, Russia would intervene to stop it - as they did in Ossetia-Georgia 2008 and in Donbas 2014-15. Whether that would expand to an all-out war is impossible to know.

    What has made the bloody escalation possible is the EU not stepping in and asking Kiev to observe basic modern human rights - attacking and bombing your own citizens because they want "autonomy" and Russian-language schools is on its face criminal. EU would never allow it in Catalonia, Belgium...

    This is at the core a failure of Europe to live by its own loudly proclaimed "values". It will have very bad consequences - Europe went back 2-3 generations "because Russia"...

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    What has made the bloody escalation possible is the EU not stepping in and asking Kiev to observe basic modern human rights – attacking and bombing your own citizens because they want “autonomy” and Russian-language schools is on its face criminal. EU would never allow it in Catalonia, Belgium…

    It allows it in France and the Baltics.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ

    There are Russian language schools in the Baltics. But they'll have to go bilingual.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...bombing your own citizens because they want “autonomy” and Russian-language schools is on its face criminal. EU would never allow it in Catalonia, Belgium…

    It allows it in France and the Baltics.
     
    I wasn't aware that France has been bombing its Bretons and Acquitans...my bad, I need to pay more attention...:)

    Of course, you are correct that the Balts have been on a fascist mono-culture drive for decades, but they are so tiny and so cute that nobody pays attention. Not yet.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  30. @Derer
    @John Johnson

    Taliban kicked out the US "invincible" military by Russian AK-47, old but very effective. It is not the hardware but the soldiers fighting purpose. Where do you think US unemployed or homeless go...defending/dying for the sinister Washington parasites, to get some veterans' crumbs.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

    Taliban kicked out the US “invincible” military by Russian AK-47, old but very effective.

    The Taliban never kicked out the US military. That is a myth.

    US casualties in the last few years were below peacetime. Meaning you were more likely to be killed on vacation in Florida.

    The main problem was the cost. You have to fly practically everything into the country. It really is a logistical nightmare. I didn’t support Biden’s embarrassing exit but we couldn’t fund Kabul indefinitely. The Afghan security forces would only fight with US air support and it’s expensive to fly jets all over a large country.

    It’s a myth propagated by the media that it was a Vietnam. The Taliban lost nearly all of their territory in one year. The US to Taliban kill ratio was something like 100 to 1.

    As for the Maxim machine gun I’m not saying it is ineffective. I am pointing out that the Russian military obviously has shortages if they are using them.

    The Russian Maxim is from 1910 and is really just the 1887 design:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PM_M1910

    An MG34 would be a massive upgrade.

    I would take an AK-47 over an M1910. A Maxim could be used for covering fire but then everyone would start shooting at you. They probably don’t have much ammo for it. I’d rather take an AK with the concealment advantage. Finns however made great use of the 1910 in the Winter War. They would use them against Russians that couldn’t move quickly in deep snow.

    It is not the hardware but the soldiers fighting purpose.

    Well then Russia is in trouble since very few of the Russian POWs can explain why the war exists.

    I don’t think purpose is that important if the population is willing to die for the dictator and not ask questions. Unless you mean their purpose is to die in a state of confusion and hopelessness.

    Russians seems bred for serving the empire. That is why the USSR lasted for so long. It just isn’t in their nature to rebel or question the government. Marx even wrote about how Russia would be the ideal first Soviet state since they had so many poor rural laborers that were used to serving the Tsar. He also correctly predicted that the Germans, British and Americans would be difficult to convert. Lenin envisioned a Communist Europe led by German that would compete against America. Both Marx and Lenin expected continental European Communism to be led by the Germans.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    The US could have theoretically stayed in Afghanistan for 100+ years, like the Brits in India, if it was actually willing to handle the financial and other costs of this, in the spirit of an old-school colonial/imperial power. It wasn't. The US didn't quite so much lose as simply give up and leave when it could have theoretically continued fighting indefinitely. But it had other, bigger priorities, thankfully.


    Russians seems bred for serving the empire. That is why the USSR lasted for so long. It just isn’t in their nature to rebel or question the government. Marx even wrote about how Russia would be the ideal first Soviet state since they had so many poor rural laborers that were used to serving the Tsar. He also correctly predicted that the Germans, British and Americans would be difficult to convert. Lenin envisioned a Communist Europe led by German that would compete against America. Both Marx and Lenin expected continental European Communism to be led by the Germans.

     

    I thought that Marx believed that a Communist revolution was more likely in the industrialized West than in agrarian Russia?

    As for Russians, they were quite rebellious until the Bolshevik coup and even for some time afterwards, but Stalin stuffed all of their rebelliousness out for an extremely long time in his efforts to create the new Soviet man.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mikhail
    @John Johnson


    The Taliban never kicked out the US military. That is a myth.
     
    As depicted in pro-svido circles, the Kiev regime victories in Kharkov, Kherson City and just outside Kiev are myths. The limited presence just outside Kiev was enough to get the Kiev regime to negotiate at Istanbul as intended, but wasn't enough to take the city which wasn't intended. The aforementioned Kharkov and Kherson City situations saw a relatively small Russian presence withdraw with limited casualties as the Kiev regime took many more casualties in advancing.

    Once again, this is a war of attrition which the NATO supported Kiev regime is definitely losing.

    The US presence in Afghanistan ended in failure as exhibited in how Biden said the propped American Afghan could fight on its own. The immediately melted, much unlike the Soviet propped Afghan government which remained for a good deal more time after the Soviet withdrawal.

    You're like a neocon minus your bigoted outbursts concerning blacks.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  31. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    What has made the bloody escalation possible is the EU not stepping in and asking Kiev to observe basic modern human rights – attacking and bombing your own citizens because they want “autonomy” and Russian-language schools is on its face criminal. EU would never allow it in Catalonia, Belgium…

     

    It allows it in France and the Baltics.

    Replies: @LatW, @Beckow

    There are Russian language schools in the Baltics. But they’ll have to go bilingual.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Primary schools, no? I was talking about secondary schools here.

    And good for the Balts for pushing bilingualism in schools after 2022.

  32. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ

    There are Russian language schools in the Baltics. But they'll have to go bilingual.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Primary schools, no? I was talking about secondary schools here.

    And good for the Balts for pushing bilingualism in schools after 2022.

  33. @John Johnson
    @Derer

    Taliban kicked out the US “invincible” military by Russian AK-47, old but very effective.

    The Taliban never kicked out the US military. That is a myth.

    US casualties in the last few years were below peacetime. Meaning you were more likely to be killed on vacation in Florida.

    The main problem was the cost. You have to fly practically everything into the country. It really is a logistical nightmare. I didn't support Biden's embarrassing exit but we couldn't fund Kabul indefinitely. The Afghan security forces would only fight with US air support and it's expensive to fly jets all over a large country.

    It's a myth propagated by the media that it was a Vietnam. The Taliban lost nearly all of their territory in one year. The US to Taliban kill ratio was something like 100 to 1.

    As for the Maxim machine gun I'm not saying it is ineffective. I am pointing out that the Russian military obviously has shortages if they are using them.

    The Russian Maxim is from 1910 and is really just the 1887 design:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PM_M1910

    An MG34 would be a massive upgrade.

    I would take an AK-47 over an M1910. A Maxim could be used for covering fire but then everyone would start shooting at you. They probably don't have much ammo for it. I'd rather take an AK with the concealment advantage. Finns however made great use of the 1910 in the Winter War. They would use them against Russians that couldn't move quickly in deep snow.

    It is not the hardware but the soldiers fighting purpose.

    Well then Russia is in trouble since very few of the Russian POWs can explain why the war exists.

    I don't think purpose is that important if the population is willing to die for the dictator and not ask questions. Unless you mean their purpose is to die in a state of confusion and hopelessness.

    Russians seems bred for serving the empire. That is why the USSR lasted for so long. It just isn't in their nature to rebel or question the government. Marx even wrote about how Russia would be the ideal first Soviet state since they had so many poor rural laborers that were used to serving the Tsar. He also correctly predicted that the Germans, British and Americans would be difficult to convert. Lenin envisioned a Communist Europe led by German that would compete against America. Both Marx and Lenin expected continental European Communism to be led by the Germans.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikhail

    The US could have theoretically stayed in Afghanistan for 100+ years, like the Brits in India, if it was actually willing to handle the financial and other costs of this, in the spirit of an old-school colonial/imperial power. It wasn’t. The US didn’t quite so much lose as simply give up and leave when it could have theoretically continued fighting indefinitely. But it had other, bigger priorities, thankfully.

    Russians seems bred for serving the empire. That is why the USSR lasted for so long. It just isn’t in their nature to rebel or question the government. Marx even wrote about how Russia would be the ideal first Soviet state since they had so many poor rural laborers that were used to serving the Tsar. He also correctly predicted that the Germans, British and Americans would be difficult to convert. Lenin envisioned a Communist Europe led by German that would compete against America. Both Marx and Lenin expected continental European Communism to be led by the Germans.

    I thought that Marx believed that a Communist revolution was more likely in the industrialized West than in agrarian Russia?

    As for Russians, they were quite rebellious until the Bolshevik coup and even for some time afterwards, but Stalin stuffed all of their rebelliousness out for an extremely long time in his efforts to create the new Soviet man.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    The US could have theoretically stayed in Afghanistan for 100+ years, like the Brits in India, if it was actually willing to handle the financial and other costs of this, in the spirit of an old-school colonial/imperial power. It wasn’t. The US didn’t quite so much lose as simply give up and leave when it could have theoretically continued fighting indefinitely. But it had other, bigger priorities, thankfully.

    The real problem is that both right and left in America have too much faith in the ability of democracy to change the third world. They should have setup a monarchy with a limited democracy. The US politicians expected too much change from the Afghans. I still can't believe they actually flew a rainbow flag for a day. Total cringe.

    Iraq is at least doing pretty well as a democracy. But I was of the opinion that we should actually keep the Muslim state open for a few more years as a honey trap for flies. It was attracting all the Muslim extremists in Western countries. Some of the most ruthless ISIS leaders were actually British born. Basically incels that flew to Iraq to live out their bloodlust fantasies.

    I thought that Marx believed that a Communist revolution was more likely in the industrialized West than in agrarian Russia?

    Originally that was correct but then after witnessing revolutionary actions against the Tsar in the 1870s they moved to the idea of Russia being fertile ground for Communism. Amusingly both Marx and Engles had disdain for the Russians. So did Lenin and yet the Russian people built massive statues of them. It's a myth that Marx viewed all groups equally. Weirdly he thought Europeans as individuals were equal in capability but also accepted character differences among European nationalities. He also didn't think Africans were capable of adopting Communism. Of course you won't learn that in a Sociology class. But who knows what Marx really thought. A total asshole who f-cked his maid while married and never associated with the proletariat that he claimed to be saving.

  34. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    That deal, or any version of Minsk would have been much better for the Ukies. It is too late for that.
     
    Putin always goes from a better offer to a worse one for his opponents (if the first offer is not accepted). His first offer to Ukies was Minsk agreements. His second offer was made at the negotiations in 2022, which the masters of Ukies told them to reject. His third offer is usually unconditional capitulation.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Putin always goes from a better offer to a worse one for his opponents (if the first offer is not accepted). His first offer to Ukies was Minsk agreements. His second offer was made at the negotiations in 2022, which the masters of Ukies told them to reject.

    You’re talking about his offer where Ukraine agrees to de-militarize and not join NATO.

    And what exactly would stop Russia from invading Ukraine after handing over their weapons?

    Putin’s word? The same Putin that promised to make LPR/DPR independent states and then threw their flags in the trash?

    The 2022 offer was just a trap. Putin must be used to the company of idiots if he thought it would work.

    Furthermore the offer was never made to Zelensky. Putin has had a bounty on his head since the start of the war. Does that sound like someone trying to negotiate in good faith?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You are all over the map...Zelko is insignificant, just a face, the deal would be between two states, Russia and Ukraine, not Zelko and Putin. You are quite infantile.


    what exactly would stop Russia from invading Ukraine after handing over their weapons?
     
    Because it would be a bad idea. Unlike the Western adventures, Russia seems to understand what works and what doesn't.

    Russia has kept all its treaties, they manipulate and retaliate but the kind of open disregard for agreements is the Western thing: ABM treaty, attacking countries out-of-the-blue, Minsk, etc...it is actually historically the Anglo specialty not to observe what they sign. You live in a lala-land of self-worship you don't get this.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Derer
    @John Johnson


    Putin has had a bounty on his (Zelensky) head
     
    Your knowledge of the situation is amazingly dismal. If this was Russians objective Zelensky would have been history. It is cat and mouse game for Russia they are involved at the 25% of military capacity. Their objective is to bleed the West to the extent of EU dogs disintegration whose economies are shrinking and Russian is growing at the 5.5%. Russians are waiting for the Zelensky exit a la Ceausescu.
    , @Sean
    @John Johnson

    Is Russian city after city being transformed into a 'hellscape'?

  35. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    The US could have theoretically stayed in Afghanistan for 100+ years, like the Brits in India, if it was actually willing to handle the financial and other costs of this, in the spirit of an old-school colonial/imperial power. It wasn't. The US didn't quite so much lose as simply give up and leave when it could have theoretically continued fighting indefinitely. But it had other, bigger priorities, thankfully.


    Russians seems bred for serving the empire. That is why the USSR lasted for so long. It just isn’t in their nature to rebel or question the government. Marx even wrote about how Russia would be the ideal first Soviet state since they had so many poor rural laborers that were used to serving the Tsar. He also correctly predicted that the Germans, British and Americans would be difficult to convert. Lenin envisioned a Communist Europe led by German that would compete against America. Both Marx and Lenin expected continental European Communism to be led by the Germans.

     

    I thought that Marx believed that a Communist revolution was more likely in the industrialized West than in agrarian Russia?

    As for Russians, they were quite rebellious until the Bolshevik coup and even for some time afterwards, but Stalin stuffed all of their rebelliousness out for an extremely long time in his efforts to create the new Soviet man.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The US could have theoretically stayed in Afghanistan for 100+ years, like the Brits in India, if it was actually willing to handle the financial and other costs of this, in the spirit of an old-school colonial/imperial power. It wasn’t. The US didn’t quite so much lose as simply give up and leave when it could have theoretically continued fighting indefinitely. But it had other, bigger priorities, thankfully.

    The real problem is that both right and left in America have too much faith in the ability of democracy to change the third world. They should have setup a monarchy with a limited democracy. The US politicians expected too much change from the Afghans. I still can’t believe they actually flew a rainbow flag for a day. Total cringe.

    Iraq is at least doing pretty well as a democracy. But I was of the opinion that we should actually keep the Muslim state open for a few more years as a honey trap for flies. It was attracting all the Muslim extremists in Western countries. Some of the most ruthless ISIS leaders were actually British born. Basically incels that flew to Iraq to live out their bloodlust fantasies.

    I thought that Marx believed that a Communist revolution was more likely in the industrialized West than in agrarian Russia?

    Originally that was correct but then after witnessing revolutionary actions against the Tsar in the 1870s they moved to the idea of Russia being fertile ground for Communism. Amusingly both Marx and Engles had disdain for the Russians. So did Lenin and yet the Russian people built massive statues of them. It’s a myth that Marx viewed all groups equally. Weirdly he thought Europeans as individuals were equal in capability but also accepted character differences among European nationalities. He also didn’t think Africans were capable of adopting Communism. Of course you won’t learn that in a Sociology class. But who knows what Marx really thought. A total asshole who f-cked his maid while married and never associated with the proletariat that he claimed to be saving.

  36. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    What has made the bloody escalation possible is the EU not stepping in and asking Kiev to observe basic modern human rights – attacking and bombing your own citizens because they want “autonomy” and Russian-language schools is on its face criminal. EU would never allow it in Catalonia, Belgium…

     

    It allows it in France and the Baltics.

    Replies: @LatW, @Beckow

    bombing your own citizens because they want “autonomy” and Russian-language schools is on its face criminal. EU would never allow it in Catalonia, Belgium…

    It allows it in France and the Baltics.

    I wasn’t aware that France has been bombing its Bretons and Acquitans…my bad, I need to pay more attention…:)

    Of course, you are correct that the Balts have been on a fascist mono-culture drive for decades, but they are so tiny and so cute that nobody pays attention. Not yet.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Ukraine would not have been bombing the Donbass either had Russia either not sponsored a separatist rebellion there starting from 2014 or, alternatively, annexed the Donbass into the Russian Reich back in 2014 (or even in February 2022) just like it did with Crimea. Ukraine wasn't bombing Crimea, after all.

    As a side note, I've concluded that in general it's a good idea to be conciliatory when faced with more powerful rivals. This is a general rule, but of course there are exceptions. Serbia would have been better off being more conciliatory towards Austria-Hungary in 1914 and the pre-WWI years. Poland would have been better off being more conciliatory towards Nazi Germany in 1939, as both Czechia and pre-1944 Hungary can attest to. Russia would have been better off consenting to NATO's expansion into both Ukraine and Georgia back in 2008, however unfair Russia might have deemed it, and avoiding the current 2022-2023 clusterfuck later on. France would have been better off withdrawing from Algeria in 1954 than in 1962, if actually politically feasible (unfortunately, it wasn't). It would have been the same outcome at worst but with much fewer lives lost. At best, maybe the pieds-noirs could have actually been allowed to stay in Algeria without so much Muslim Algerian anger at having so much of their own blood spilled by the French.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail, @Gerard1234

  37. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...bombing your own citizens because they want “autonomy” and Russian-language schools is on its face criminal. EU would never allow it in Catalonia, Belgium…

    It allows it in France and the Baltics.
     
    I wasn't aware that France has been bombing its Bretons and Acquitans...my bad, I need to pay more attention...:)

    Of course, you are correct that the Balts have been on a fascist mono-culture drive for decades, but they are so tiny and so cute that nobody pays attention. Not yet.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Ukraine would not have been bombing the Donbass either had Russia either not sponsored a separatist rebellion there starting from 2014 or, alternatively, annexed the Donbass into the Russian Reich back in 2014 (or even in February 2022) just like it did with Crimea. Ukraine wasn’t bombing Crimea, after all.

    As a side note, I’ve concluded that in general it’s a good idea to be conciliatory when faced with more powerful rivals. This is a general rule, but of course there are exceptions. Serbia would have been better off being more conciliatory towards Austria-Hungary in 1914 and the pre-WWI years. Poland would have been better off being more conciliatory towards Nazi Germany in 1939, as both Czechia and pre-1944 Hungary can attest to. Russia would have been better off consenting to NATO’s expansion into both Ukraine and Georgia back in 2008, however unfair Russia might have deemed it, and avoiding the current 2022-2023 clusterfuck later on. France would have been better off withdrawing from Algeria in 1954 than in 1962, if actually politically feasible (unfortunately, it wasn’t). It would have been the same outcome at worst but with much fewer lives lost. At best, maybe the pieds-noirs could have actually been allowed to stay in Algeria without so much Muslim Algerian anger at having so much of their own blood spilled by the French.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...sponsored a separatist rebellion there starting from 2014 or annexed the Donbass into the Russian Reich back in 2014
     
    There had to be a separatist movement in Donbas for Russia to sponsor it. It started after the illegal overthrow - Maidan revolution - of an elected President. Maidan was openly sponsored by EU and US, why can they sponsor and Russia can't?

    Using "Reich" on Russia is in bad taste - for a guy who says we should be more conciliatory that sounds awkward.

    I agree about the benefits of conciliation. In most of the cases you listed that was true. But why not add post-Maidan Kiev? They would be much better off if they were reasonable and conciliatory. They probably now regret their own militancy in 2014-22.


    Russia would have been better off consenting to NATO’s expansion into both Ukraine and Georgia back in 2008, however unfair
     
    That will only be true if they lose the war and Nato expands to Ukraine-Georgia. If they win and prevent it, it will be a huge win. The problem is that Russia sees Nato in Ukraine as an existential issue - they made it clear they would fight ("red line"). It is different than the other examples you listed where I agree with you.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ


    Ukraine would not have been bombing the Donbass either had Russia either not sponsored a separatist rebellion there starting from 2014 or, alternatively, annexed the Donbass into the Russian Reich back in 2014 (or even in February 2022) just like it did with Crimea. Ukraine wasn’t bombing Crimea, after all.
     
    Kiev became more of a Banderite Reich following the coup against Yaukovych, which prompted opposition to the neo-Nazi influenced entity that usurped power in that capital city.
    , @Gerard1234
    @Mr. XYZ


    Russia would have been better off consenting to NATO’s expansion into both Ukraine and Georgia back in 2008, however unfair Russia might have deemed it,
     
    1. Poland were Nazi Germany's best allies you retarded dumbfuck. 2 gangsters in alliance, then went against eachother not because of "lack of conciliatory action".......but because Polish retards were even more greedy for power and land/conquest than the Germans.

    2. Comparing Poland giving access to Danzig for the Nazis, or the USSR perfectly reasonable demand to the Baltic freaks &Finland.........with NATO expansion into Ukraine and Gruzia, is stupid beyond what was thought possible for the human brain.
    NATO expansion into Romania & Hungary, Croatia and Slovenia at least has calming effects on territorial disputes. NATO expansion into 404 or Gruzia has zero practical benefits to anyone you idiot. A NATO controlled Black Sea ( access to the sea that Banderastan or Gruzia would never have had if not for Russia fighting for it, and then donating it to them) is completely unnecessary ( Russia doesn't control Bosphorus Strait, of course) and unfeasible....unless a retard like you thinks its "conciliatory " and not ridiculous to ask Russia to abolish our own navy.

    Plus like the dumbshit you are, you fail to recognise that it is Russia via USSR that was the one being reasonable and conciliatory - removing our troops from ex USSR, extortion with Sevastopol base lease , debt eliminated etc. 404 with American backing was able to con itself into getting Crimea . You compare the ridiculous situation where American scum have about a 100 year lease on land in an enemy country (Guantanamo Bay), but Russia have extortionate lease on our own Naval base in Sevastopol

    3. We were fighting against terrorism in the North Caucasus , how would it have been feasible for us to allow Gruzia to go into NATO then, when its border was freely the escape and re-entry point for most of the terrorist during the second Chechen war you deranged prick?

    4.

    Serbia would have been better off being more conciliatory towards Austria-Hungary in 1914 and the pre-WWI years

     

    Errr....Serbia , a great country and people, were the victims in WW1 you stupid idiot and cannot be blamed. Serbia became the centre of a Yugoslavian state not too long after.........and the reaction of the other world powers, and the fact that no Austria-Hungary Empire exists on the map now, should indicate everything you moron on who should have been reconciliatory to who.
    Compare them to Polish scum who lost their state for 200 years, LOL.

    5.

    Ukraine would not have been bombing the Donbass either had Russia either not sponsored a separatist rebellion there starting from 2014 or, alternatively, annexed the Donbass
     
    The Heroes of Donbass are not the lazy, parasitic, hopeless scum that is the standard part of the ukronazi mindset you pathetic projecting dipshit. The Donbass is the most populated and important economic region of 404. These great and proud people who didn't need coercion, money , extra weapons or another country into making them resist the freakshow dictatorship imposed on them. Even then their demands were very mild you scumbag. If you knew or had talked to any people from the Donbass from 2013-22 (which of course you haven't) you would know that a LACK of Russia "sponsoring" them has been a frustration for them.

    They are the complete opposite of ukronazis who have no mind or willing of their own and rely completely on coercion, money and foreign country to dictate them into doing anything. Naturally , there is nothing more "Ukrainian" then wanting to destroy and eliminate the most important and most intensely populated with "Ukrainians" part of the country.
    The only rebellions foreign sponsored are those like the Maidan and 2004

    Its as lazy and dumb as saying Abkhazia and South Ossetiya are Russian projects to say Donbass is you ignorant clown.
  38. @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    Putin always goes from a better offer to a worse one for his opponents (if the first offer is not accepted). His first offer to Ukies was Minsk agreements. His second offer was made at the negotiations in 2022, which the masters of Ukies told them to reject.

    You're talking about his offer where Ukraine agrees to de-militarize and not join NATO.

    And what exactly would stop Russia from invading Ukraine after handing over their weapons?

    Putin's word? The same Putin that promised to make LPR/DPR independent states and then threw their flags in the trash?

    The 2022 offer was just a trap. Putin must be used to the company of idiots if he thought it would work.

    Furthermore the offer was never made to Zelensky. Putin has had a bounty on his head since the start of the war. Does that sound like someone trying to negotiate in good faith?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Derer, @Sean

    You are all over the map…Zelko is insignificant, just a face, the deal would be between two states, Russia and Ukraine, not Zelko and Putin. You are quite infantile.

    what exactly would stop Russia from invading Ukraine after handing over their weapons?

    Because it would be a bad idea. Unlike the Western adventures, Russia seems to understand what works and what doesn’t.

    Russia has kept all its treaties, they manipulate and retaliate but the kind of open disregard for agreements is the Western thing: ABM treaty, attacking countries out-of-the-blue, Minsk, etc…it is actually historically the Anglo specialty not to observe what they sign. You live in a lala-land of self-worship you don’t get this.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    You are all over the map…Zelko is insignificant, just a face, the deal would be between two states, Russia and Ukraine, not Zelko and Putin. You are quite infantile.

    Putin is the dictator of Russia and started the war without even running it by the Duma. Some of the highest level generals were not told until 48 hours before the war started. Putin has absolute power and I can repost 1420 videos where Russians acknowledge he is a dictator.

    Any offer would be from Putin and not the people of Russia or any politician representing them. Journalists have been given 20 years for going against Putin. No one is going to make an offer without his express permission.

    Zelensky is the president of Ukraine. You are suggesting it is infantile to assume he should be involved in a negotiation?

    Russia has kept all its treaties, they manipulate and retaliate but the kind of open disregard for agreements is the Western thin

    Did Putin keep his word to make LPR/DPR independent Republics?

    Putin signs decrees recognizing DPR, LPR as independent states
    https://interfax.com/newsroom/top-stories/73940/

    Replies: @Beckow

  39. Pasteur and Roux put us on the wrong track, and the world is still suffering, as a result.

    The solution to the rabies epidemic was never vaccination, but for dogs to carry small fleets of opposum interceptors on their backs:

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  40. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ...Do you know how difficult it is today for a draft age Ukrainian male to leave Ukraine?
     
    Maybe the problem is that the draft age is incredibly long, 18 to 60 or something like that, basically every man. Given the normal distribution of views on fighting to death for a questionable cause that means that millions of Ukies will try to escape.

    The main problem we hear about is that the priviledged people are exempted: kids and relatives of the most fanatical Kiev politicians are abroad, artists who cheered "kill the Russkies" on Maidan, and almost all oligarchs and petty local chieftains...

    It is a classical war that kills a huge number of ordinary, unconnected men - in addition to the fanatic dead-enders who were craving this for some bizarre psycho reason. I can't wait for the look-back. How will anyone justify the massive destruction of a nation for the strange desire to be in Nato? What does that even mean to most Ukie people to be "in Nato"?

    Replies: @AP

    Maybe the problem is that the draft age is incredibly long, 18 to 60 or something like that, basically every man.

    The youngest was 27, recently changed to 25.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/26/ukraine-proposes-lowering-age-for-military-conscription-from-27-to-25#:~:text=An%20explanatory%20note%20signed%20by,from%2027%20to%2025%20years%E2%80%9D.

    They are trying to avoid drafting young people for demographic reasons (many people under 25 have not yet had a chance to produce children).

    Of course, people younger than 25 have voluntereed and are not turned away.

    massive destruction of a nation for the strange desire to be in Nato

    This is the Russian, not Ukrainian, excuse for it. Ukrainians fight to keep out Russian invaders.

    If this were World War II you would be claiming that all those Poles died for the strange desire to hold onto the Danzig corridor and to repress Germans in Poland. And not because they fought invaders.

  41. @Beckow
    @Europe Europa

    You are really bad with analogies. Both Crimea and Donbass are ethnically Russian. So it would be more like Ireland invading Ulster to suppress the British-leaning population. Then Britain invades to protect them from being expelled and killed. And Ireland would argue with the inviolability of Ireland's 'natural' borders...

    But this war is not even about that - the ethnic issues would have been resolved if it wasn't for the plan to move Nato to Ukraine. Something "Europe" is desperately trying not to mention...it is the elephant in the room, the casus belli...

    The main question in every war: is the cause worth dying for? Is it an existential issue? Nobody with a 3-digit IQ would argue that Ukraine in Nato is worth it. Maybe for the Nuland-Blinken gang and a few unrepentant latter-day Nazis like Baerbock, BoJo, Sholz, Poles-Balts...but not for normal people. So you hide the truth. That doesn't help anyone.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    You are really bad with analogies. Both Crimea and Donbass are ethnically Russian.

    Crimea wasn’t touched by Ukraine until after 2022. Donbas is mixed, like Northern Ireland

    So it would be more like Ireland invading Ulster to suppress the British-leaning population.

    It would be like if Ulster became part of Ireland when Ireland gained independence, but after 24 years of independence Britain took it back by arming a rebellion and sending it troops to help the rebels, in the process driving out Ulster’s Catholic minority. And 8 years after that invading Ireland proper in order to install a pro-British government with the excuse of protecting the English and Protestant minority in Ireland.

  42. @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You are all over the map...Zelko is insignificant, just a face, the deal would be between two states, Russia and Ukraine, not Zelko and Putin. You are quite infantile.


    what exactly would stop Russia from invading Ukraine after handing over their weapons?
     
    Because it would be a bad idea. Unlike the Western adventures, Russia seems to understand what works and what doesn't.

    Russia has kept all its treaties, they manipulate and retaliate but the kind of open disregard for agreements is the Western thing: ABM treaty, attacking countries out-of-the-blue, Minsk, etc...it is actually historically the Anglo specialty not to observe what they sign. You live in a lala-land of self-worship you don't get this.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    You are all over the map…Zelko is insignificant, just a face, the deal would be between two states, Russia and Ukraine, not Zelko and Putin. You are quite infantile.

    Putin is the dictator of Russia and started the war without even running it by the Duma. Some of the highest level generals were not told until 48 hours before the war started. Putin has absolute power and I can repost 1420 videos where Russians acknowledge he is a dictator.

    Any offer would be from Putin and not the people of Russia or any politician representing them. Journalists have been given 20 years for going against Putin. No one is going to make an offer without his express permission.

    Zelensky is the president of Ukraine. You are suggesting it is infantile to assume he should be involved in a negotiation?

    Russia has kept all its treaties, they manipulate and retaliate but the kind of open disregard for agreements is the Western thin

    Did Putin keep his word to make LPR/DPR independent Republics?

    Putin signs decrees recognizing DPR, LPR as independent states
    https://interfax.com/newsroom/top-stories/73940/

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...Did Putin keep his word to make LPR/DPR independent Republics?
     
    Statements are not treaties. Putin can argue that things have changed - Kiev militarily attacked LPR/DPR so they need the protection. You are mixing up words with treaties and that is nonsense - all politicians change what they say over time.

    US-UK-Nato openly broke treaties and they are usually proud of it. They always find a 'reason'.


    Journalists have been given 20 years for going against Putin.
     
    Who? Can you name a single journalist charged with "going against Putin"? I asked before and nobody provided a single example. Try again - and no generalities: give us a specific case. (And remember Assange and the 1,000 jailed in Washington for Jan 6.)

    Putin has absolute power and I can repost 1420 videos where Russians acknowledge he is a dictator.
     
    Anyone can post 10,000 videos where people say all kinds of things: US is an oligarchy, Israel is doing a genocide, EU politicians were paid off by Pfizer... It means nothing, why would videos in a country of 150 million be significant? Putin has 60-80% approval, Macron 25%, Biden 40%...who is the dictator? Maybe you don't understand what the term "governing with people majority support" means. (Hint: that is democracy.)

    Nobody in the modern state can have 'absolute power'. You are spouting shallow childish nonsense.

    Replies: @AP, @John Johnson

  43. @Mr. XYZ
    I've got a question for AP: Does the collapse of the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia indicate that Austria-Hungary was more likely than not to eventually fail even without World War I? I mean, you could say that Communism played a large role in the collapse of the former countries mentioned here, but the schisms that existed within them often existed even before Communism came along there. Lothrop Stoddard, for instance, already predicted an eventual Slovak secessionist push to achieve full independence back in his 1924 book Racial realities in Europe. Likewise, Slovenes and Croats resented the fact that they were politically dominated by the less civilized and less cultured Serbs in the interwar era.

    Would the main thing that have ensured that Austria-Hungary would not have collapsed or broken up in the absence of World War I have been German military force and German willingness to prop up its main and biggest ally by force by any means necessary? Along with, of course, continued German unwillingness to incorporate Austria's Catholic Germans into the German Reich for fear for too heavily distorting the religious balance in the German Empire in favor of Catholics?

    Replies: @AP, @Derer

    I’ve got a question for AP: Does the collapse of the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia indicate that Austria-Hungary was more likely than not to eventually fail even without World War I?

    Who knows? It collapsed due to World War I and the idiotic and malevolent Wilson pushing for it. Under different conditions it could have evolved into a sort of giant Switzerland.

    For Poles, Austria was a sanctuary compared to the Russian and German Empires. For Ukrainians, it was the same vis a vis Russia. As long as those existed there was no real separatism. Croats and Slovenes seems to have been loyal. Slovaks don’t rebel, they serve. Czechs hadn’t rebelled in centuries, and they lived well and had a healthy cultural life, Masaryk originally wanted to reform A-H into a federation. Hungarians were potential troublemakers, they didn’t want their Slovak slaves taken away.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @AP

    In good times, it seems to work well. People like me, who prefer to downplay their specific ethnic identity (not ignore it or pretend it doesn't exist) and get along with those who are similar to them (while preferring to keep a distance from those who are 'too' different) are happy. But when times get hard, ethnicities become highly problematic fault lines along which societies are constantly at risk of breaking up. Nothing is guaranteed though, so some formula might have been (might still be) found. Latin America seems well past the point that anyone would dream up 'ethnic histories' to divide people with, so the risk that any of them would break up along ethnic lines is probably quite small (perhaps non-existent).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Who knows? It collapsed due to World War I and the idiotic and malevolent Wilson pushing for it. Under different conditions it could have evolved into a sort of giant Switzerland.

     

    Possibly, though this raises the question of whether Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia could have also evolved into a sort of giant Switzerland in due time had they avoided both Nazism and Communism.

    For Poles, Austria was a sanctuary compared to the Russian and German Empires.
     
    Yes, but they would still prefer an independent Poland if that was actually an option, no?

    For Ukrainians, it was the same vis a vis Russia.
     
    So long as Russia remained pro-Russification and authoritarian. If Russia would have overthrown the Romanovs and become a liberal democracy (not a Bolshevik tyranny!) long-term with a liberal nationalities policy, then this could have perhaps changed. It's possible, though very far from guaranteed, that the Romanovs could have eventually been overthrown in Russia even without WWI. A hemophiliac heir-apparent doesn't exactly do wonders for stability, after all.

    As long as those existed there was no real separatism. Croats and Slovenes seems to have been loyal. Slovaks don’t rebel, they serve. Czechs hadn’t rebelled in centuries, and they lived well and had a healthy cultural life, Masaryk originally wanted to reform A-H into a federation. Hungarians were potential troublemakers, they didn’t want their Slovak slaves taken away.
     
    Yeah, that's the general impression that I get as well. Specifically the feeling that, other than perhaps for the Hungarians if a surviving Franz Ferdinand or someone like him will ever come to power, a lot of the ethnic groups in Austria-Hungary felt that it was their best bargain for a better life. Still, there appear to have already been rumblings under the surface for greater reforms, especially but not only in Hungary. R. W. Seton-Watson's books about pre-WWI Austria-Hungary are worth reading, if you're curious. He was cautiously positive and optimistic about A-H until WWI and then severely soured on it and began advocating for its breakup and dissolution.
  44. @Mr. XYZ
    @A123


    The Iranian proxy troops on the ground are realizing that Hamas leadership in Qatar and Iran is expending them with no viable plan.
     
    The plan is for each of them to get 72 virgins--oops, I meant 72 raisins!--in Paradise!

    https://preview.redd.it/no-mucus-plz-v0-5spvibgl1uha1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=02cd5a4035e2745f2a356060b38a841ebe6865c1

    Replies: @A123

    LOL… They have been deceived by the SatanoAllah and the Anti-Christ Muhammad. It is more like this…

      

    ✝️ MERRY CHRISTMAS ☦️

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-291d4943b85130cdb7569508e2d0a358.webp

  45. Another project that I would like to see undertaken is some sort of regimen to put a complete stop to the woke sensitization of tastebuds in children.

    I want steadily increasing concentrations of strong tastes added to babyfood and processed foods, until kids aged 8 can eat stuff that would make a Japanese billygoat throw up.

    No more seeing kids eat “chicken nuggets” on feast days – I want them to be fighting over the giblets.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @songbird


    No more seeing kids eat “chicken nuggets” on feast days – I want them to be fighting over the giblets.
     
    LOL

    Organ meats are nutritious (and, in fact, we're missing out by not eating them more, in hunter-gatherer times they were eaten regularly). Of course, it might be hard to make kids eat them, since kids can already be rather picky. But they might eat beef tongue if it's prepared right and if it's cut in small, more appetizing looking pieces. Same goes for gelatin, that's needed, too, and probably even some cartilage. Mmm, a cup of tasty broth on a winter night...

    https://chriskresser.com/how-to-eat-more-organ-meats/

    Replies: @AP

  46. @A123
    @Mr. XYZ

    LOL... They have been deceived by the SatanoAllah and the Anti-Christ Muhammad. It is more like this...

     
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3b/c7/8f/3bc78fbf33f5b5761af328e874db2087.jpg
     

    ✝️ MERRY CHRISTMAS ☦️

    Replies: @John Johnson

    • LOL: A123
  47. Still can’t believe the Democrats elected this union thug who insists on wearing a hoody:
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4378877-fetterman-on-carvilles-biden-criticisms-shut-the-f-up/

  48. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    You are all over the map…Zelko is insignificant, just a face, the deal would be between two states, Russia and Ukraine, not Zelko and Putin. You are quite infantile.

    Putin is the dictator of Russia and started the war without even running it by the Duma. Some of the highest level generals were not told until 48 hours before the war started. Putin has absolute power and I can repost 1420 videos where Russians acknowledge he is a dictator.

    Any offer would be from Putin and not the people of Russia or any politician representing them. Journalists have been given 20 years for going against Putin. No one is going to make an offer without his express permission.

    Zelensky is the president of Ukraine. You are suggesting it is infantile to assume he should be involved in a negotiation?

    Russia has kept all its treaties, they manipulate and retaliate but the kind of open disregard for agreements is the Western thin

    Did Putin keep his word to make LPR/DPR independent Republics?

    Putin signs decrees recognizing DPR, LPR as independent states
    https://interfax.com/newsroom/top-stories/73940/

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Did Putin keep his word to make LPR/DPR independent Republics?

    Statements are not treaties. Putin can argue that things have changed – Kiev militarily attacked LPR/DPR so they need the protection. You are mixing up words with treaties and that is nonsense – all politicians change what they say over time.

    US-UK-Nato openly broke treaties and they are usually proud of it. They always find a ‘reason’.

    Journalists have been given 20 years for going against Putin.

    Who? Can you name a single journalist charged with “going against Putin“? I asked before and nobody provided a single example. Try again – and no generalities: give us a specific case. (And remember Assange and the 1,000 jailed in Washington for Jan 6.)

    Putin has absolute power and I can repost 1420 videos where Russians acknowledge he is a dictator.

    Anyone can post 10,000 videos where people say all kinds of things: US is an oligarchy, Israel is doing a genocide, EU politicians were paid off by Pfizer… It means nothing, why would videos in a country of 150 million be significant? Putin has 60-80% approval, Macron 25%, Biden 40%…who is the dictator? Maybe you don’t understand what the term “governing with people majority support” means. (Hint: that is democracy.)

    Nobody in the modern state can have ‘absolute power’. You are spouting shallow childish nonsense.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    and the 1,000 jailed in Washington for Jan 6.
     
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/samuel-lazar-jan-6-riotetr-cooperation-government-rcna131333

    More than 1,200 people have been charged in connection with the Jan. 6 attack, and more than 450 have been sentenced to periods of incarceration

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    , @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    Did Putin keep his word to make LPR/DPR independent Republics?
     
    Statements are not treaties. Putin can argue that things have changed – Kiev militarily attacked LPR/DPR so they need the protection.

    So Putin will break his own signed decree on the autonomy of a proposed state but you can trust him on a treaty involving a state he invaded? Is that what you are saying?

    He signed the decree after invading Ukraine. What prevents him from protecting LPR/DPR as autonomous states? Explain that for us.

    Who? Can you name a single journalist charged with “going against Putin“? I asked before and nobody provided a single example. Try again – and no generalities: give us a specific case.

    Maria Ponomarenko
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64647267

    6 years in prison for posting on social media about the war.

    Maybe you don’t understand what the term “governing with people majority support” means. (Hint: that is democracy.)

    Popular support is not a democracy.

    Hitler had popular support for many years. Was that a democracy?

    If you can't remove the leader then you don't have a democracy. You also can't have a democracy if the people aren't allowed to criticize the government. That would be a state where the government has complete power over the people. Not a democracy.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64647267

    Replies: @Beckow

  49. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Ukraine would not have been bombing the Donbass either had Russia either not sponsored a separatist rebellion there starting from 2014 or, alternatively, annexed the Donbass into the Russian Reich back in 2014 (or even in February 2022) just like it did with Crimea. Ukraine wasn't bombing Crimea, after all.

    As a side note, I've concluded that in general it's a good idea to be conciliatory when faced with more powerful rivals. This is a general rule, but of course there are exceptions. Serbia would have been better off being more conciliatory towards Austria-Hungary in 1914 and the pre-WWI years. Poland would have been better off being more conciliatory towards Nazi Germany in 1939, as both Czechia and pre-1944 Hungary can attest to. Russia would have been better off consenting to NATO's expansion into both Ukraine and Georgia back in 2008, however unfair Russia might have deemed it, and avoiding the current 2022-2023 clusterfuck later on. France would have been better off withdrawing from Algeria in 1954 than in 1962, if actually politically feasible (unfortunately, it wasn't). It would have been the same outcome at worst but with much fewer lives lost. At best, maybe the pieds-noirs could have actually been allowed to stay in Algeria without so much Muslim Algerian anger at having so much of their own blood spilled by the French.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail, @Gerard1234

    …sponsored a separatist rebellion there starting from 2014 or annexed the Donbass into the Russian Reich back in 2014

    There had to be a separatist movement in Donbas for Russia to sponsor it. It started after the illegal overthrow – Maidan revolution – of an elected President. Maidan was openly sponsored by EU and US, why can they sponsor and Russia can’t?

    Using “Reich” on Russia is in bad taste – for a guy who says we should be more conciliatory that sounds awkward.

    I agree about the benefits of conciliation. In most of the cases you listed that was true. But why not add post-Maidan Kiev? They would be much better off if they were reasonable and conciliatory. They probably now regret their own militancy in 2014-22.

    Russia would have been better off consenting to NATO’s expansion into both Ukraine and Georgia back in 2008, however unfair

    That will only be true if they lose the war and Nato expands to Ukraine-Georgia. If they win and prevent it, it will be a huge win. The problem is that Russia sees Nato in Ukraine as an existential issue – they made it clear they would fight (“red line”). It is different than the other examples you listed where I agree with you.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    There had to be a separatist movement in Donbas for Russia to sponsor it. It started after the illegal overthrow – Maidan revolution – of an elected President. Maidan was openly sponsored by EU and US, why can they sponsor and Russia can’t?

     

    Sure, Russia can sponsor it, but then it shouldn't complain about the deaths. Maidan itself was virtually bloodless, IIRC.

    Using “Reich” on Russia is in bad taste – for a guy who says we should be more conciliatory that sounds awkward.

     

    By "Reich", I mean ethnic homeland in general. So, any ethnic nation-state can be a Reich. As I suppose a non-ethnic nation-state, such as India, which is now becoming more and more of a Hindu nation-state.

    "Reich" is not meant to be offensive. Rather, it's simply meant to describe the feeling of belonging to a national community with its own nation-state. Sometimes Reichs seek to expand in order to include more of their national kinsmen within its borders.


    I agree about the benefits of conciliation. In most of the cases you listed that was true. But why not add post-Maidan Kiev? They would be much better off if they were reasonable and conciliatory. They probably now regret their own militancy in 2014-22.

     

    Sure, if Russia could provide 100% ironclad legal guarantees that Ukraine would be allowed EU membership and the EU would actually provide a real pathway to this before the war, then this might be viable. Assuming, of course, that Russia won't subsequently use its Donbass proxies to do things such as stall anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine in order to make EU membership unachievable in practice for Ukraine even if a membership perspective to Ukraine is already technically offered by the EU.

    I think that it is highly regretful that the EU waited until after Ukraine got invaded by Russia to offer a membership perspective to it. This should have been done back in 2014, IMHO. At least could have encouraged more aggressive anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine, maybe. Ukrainians would have had a clearer picture of the end-goal earlier.

    I have no problem with a South Tyrol-style arrangement for the Donbass and never did.


    That will only be true if they lose the war and Nato expands to Ukraine-Georgia. If they win and prevent it, it will be a huge win. The problem is that Russia sees Nato in Ukraine as an existential issue – they made it clear they would fight (“red line”). It is different than the other examples you listed where I agree with you.

     

    Even if Russia prevents NATO in Ukraine, it will still have a very well-armed and hostile Ukraine right next door. A very partial victory at best, and at an extremely high cost. Not worth it. Akin to the Central Powers winning WWI after a long war. Sure, Serbia would no longer be pro-Russian and Russian military power would be effectively destroyed, possibly for a while, but the cost for the CPs would nevertheless be absolutely enormous.

    Russia can view Ukraine in NATO as an existential issue. That's its own prerogative. Whether it's wise to do so is, of course, a separate question. And FWIW, while I do think that pushing for the removal of Soviet nuclear missiles in Cuba was a good move on the part of the US, I'm unsure that a quarantine/blockade of Cuba was the best way to achieve this goal. Much, much better than a full-on US invasion of Cuba, but still an extremely serious risk of nuclear war. Maybe putting much more US missiles in Turkey and Italy and not doing a quarantine/blockade on Cuba would have been better, and then offering to withdraw all US missiles in Turkey and Italy in exchange for a withdrawal of all Soviet missiles from Cuba? I don't think that Soviet nuclear missiles in Cuba were worth a nuclear war by any means, even if the US would have still won a nuclear war back then, albeit at an extraordinarily massive cost.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow

  50. @AnonfromTN
    Remember the five stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. Some people publishing in NYT (of all places!) apparently have reached the stage of acceptance (at least partial). The piece is titled “Ukraine Doesn’t Need All Its Territory to Defeat Putin”
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/opinion/ukraine-military-aid.html

    Is it an interesting sign, or what? Some bright spark might eventually come to the idea that Ukraine does not even need to defeat Putin. That would be the final acceptance of reality.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  51. @songbird
    Another project that I would like to see undertaken is some sort of regimen to put a complete stop to the woke sensitization of tastebuds in children.

    I want steadily increasing concentrations of strong tastes added to babyfood and processed foods, until kids aged 8 can eat stuff that would make a Japanese billygoat throw up.

    No more seeing kids eat "chicken nuggets" on feast days - I want them to be fighting over the giblets.

    Replies: @LatW

    No more seeing kids eat “chicken nuggets” on feast days – I want them to be fighting over the giblets.

    LOL

    Organ meats are nutritious (and, in fact, we’re missing out by not eating them more, in hunter-gatherer times they were eaten regularly). Of course, it might be hard to make kids eat them, since kids can already be rather picky. But they might eat beef tongue if it’s prepared right and if it’s cut in small, more appetizing looking pieces. Same goes for gelatin, that’s needed, too, and probably even some cartilage. Mmm, a cup of tasty broth on a winter night…

    https://chriskresser.com/how-to-eat-more-organ-meats/

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @AP
    @LatW

    Tongue is a muscle rather than an organ though.

    I once ate seal - it tastes like liver.

  52. https://twitter.com/sarbloharts/media

    What do you guys think of this art style?

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  53. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...sponsored a separatist rebellion there starting from 2014 or annexed the Donbass into the Russian Reich back in 2014
     
    There had to be a separatist movement in Donbas for Russia to sponsor it. It started after the illegal overthrow - Maidan revolution - of an elected President. Maidan was openly sponsored by EU and US, why can they sponsor and Russia can't?

    Using "Reich" on Russia is in bad taste - for a guy who says we should be more conciliatory that sounds awkward.

    I agree about the benefits of conciliation. In most of the cases you listed that was true. But why not add post-Maidan Kiev? They would be much better off if they were reasonable and conciliatory. They probably now regret their own militancy in 2014-22.


    Russia would have been better off consenting to NATO’s expansion into both Ukraine and Georgia back in 2008, however unfair
     
    That will only be true if they lose the war and Nato expands to Ukraine-Georgia. If they win and prevent it, it will be a huge win. The problem is that Russia sees Nato in Ukraine as an existential issue - they made it clear they would fight ("red line"). It is different than the other examples you listed where I agree with you.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    There had to be a separatist movement in Donbas for Russia to sponsor it. It started after the illegal overthrow – Maidan revolution – of an elected President. Maidan was openly sponsored by EU and US, why can they sponsor and Russia can’t?

    Sure, Russia can sponsor it, but then it shouldn’t complain about the deaths. Maidan itself was virtually bloodless, IIRC.

    Using “Reich” on Russia is in bad taste – for a guy who says we should be more conciliatory that sounds awkward.

    By “Reich”, I mean ethnic homeland in general. So, any ethnic nation-state can be a Reich. As I suppose a non-ethnic nation-state, such as India, which is now becoming more and more of a Hindu nation-state.

    “Reich” is not meant to be offensive. Rather, it’s simply meant to describe the feeling of belonging to a national community with its own nation-state. Sometimes Reichs seek to expand in order to include more of their national kinsmen within its borders.

    I agree about the benefits of conciliation. In most of the cases you listed that was true. But why not add post-Maidan Kiev? They would be much better off if they were reasonable and conciliatory. They probably now regret their own militancy in 2014-22.

    Sure, if Russia could provide 100% ironclad legal guarantees that Ukraine would be allowed EU membership and the EU would actually provide a real pathway to this before the war, then this might be viable. Assuming, of course, that Russia won’t subsequently use its Donbass proxies to do things such as stall anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine in order to make EU membership unachievable in practice for Ukraine even if a membership perspective to Ukraine is already technically offered by the EU.

    I think that it is highly regretful that the EU waited until after Ukraine got invaded by Russia to offer a membership perspective to it. This should have been done back in 2014, IMHO. At least could have encouraged more aggressive anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine, maybe. Ukrainians would have had a clearer picture of the end-goal earlier.

    I have no problem with a South Tyrol-style arrangement for the Donbass and never did.

    That will only be true if they lose the war and Nato expands to Ukraine-Georgia. If they win and prevent it, it will be a huge win. The problem is that Russia sees Nato in Ukraine as an existential issue – they made it clear they would fight (“red line”). It is different than the other examples you listed where I agree with you.

    Even if Russia prevents NATO in Ukraine, it will still have a very well-armed and hostile Ukraine right next door. A very partial victory at best, and at an extremely high cost. Not worth it. Akin to the Central Powers winning WWI after a long war. Sure, Serbia would no longer be pro-Russian and Russian military power would be effectively destroyed, possibly for a while, but the cost for the CPs would nevertheless be absolutely enormous.

    Russia can view Ukraine in NATO as an existential issue. That’s its own prerogative. Whether it’s wise to do so is, of course, a separate question. And FWIW, while I do think that pushing for the removal of Soviet nuclear missiles in Cuba was a good move on the part of the US, I’m unsure that a quarantine/blockade of Cuba was the best way to achieve this goal. Much, much better than a full-on US invasion of Cuba, but still an extremely serious risk of nuclear war. Maybe putting much more US missiles in Turkey and Italy and not doing a quarantine/blockade on Cuba would have been better, and then offering to withdraw all US missiles in Turkey and Italy in exchange for a withdrawal of all Soviet missiles from Cuba? I don’t think that Soviet nuclear missiles in Cuba were worth a nuclear war by any means, even if the US would have still won a nuclear war back then, albeit at an extraordinarily massive cost.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ


    Sure, Russia can sponsor it, but then it shouldn’t complain about the deaths. Maidan itself was virtually bloodless, IIRC.
     
    Not the situation with the snipers as detailed by Kachanovski. Crimea was much more virtually bloodless.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Sure, Russia can sponsor it, but then it shouldn’t complain about the deaths.
     
    Why? They are there to protect the Russian people from being killed why shouldn't they? That's all the West and Ukies do. People today like to play the victim...:)

    “Reich” is not meant to be offensive
     
    It is offensive in CE: the game of replacing "government" with "regime", etc...why do it?

    if Russia could provide 100% ironclad legal guarantees that Ukraine would be allowed EU membership and the EU would actually provide a real pathway to this before the war
     
    EU has no intention to allow in Ukraine. It would destroy it like accepting Turkey - officially "invited" candidate since 1960, or Algeria-Tunis - proposed by France in the 2010's. The numbers can't work. The subsidies would be astronomically high and Europe is now quite poor.

    Russia doesn't have to provide any guarantees - it is not their role. They only said that if Kiev goes to EU they can't simultaneously free trade with Russia. It can't be done - like trying to turn a menage-a-trois into a marriage...:)


    Even if Russia prevents NATO in Ukraine, it will still have a very well-armed and hostile Ukraine right next door. A very partial victory at best, and at an extremely high cost.
     
    If they do, they win. Period. Evaluating the cost is up to them. It is also obvious that if Russia wins there will not be a well-armed Ukraine on their border. When you lose a big war you don't come out well-armed and ready to fight again. Whether they are "hostile" is up to each individual: some will be, others won't, with most we will not be able to tell.

    Replies: @AP

  54. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    There had to be a separatist movement in Donbas for Russia to sponsor it. It started after the illegal overthrow – Maidan revolution – of an elected President. Maidan was openly sponsored by EU and US, why can they sponsor and Russia can’t?

     

    Sure, Russia can sponsor it, but then it shouldn't complain about the deaths. Maidan itself was virtually bloodless, IIRC.

    Using “Reich” on Russia is in bad taste – for a guy who says we should be more conciliatory that sounds awkward.

     

    By "Reich", I mean ethnic homeland in general. So, any ethnic nation-state can be a Reich. As I suppose a non-ethnic nation-state, such as India, which is now becoming more and more of a Hindu nation-state.

    "Reich" is not meant to be offensive. Rather, it's simply meant to describe the feeling of belonging to a national community with its own nation-state. Sometimes Reichs seek to expand in order to include more of their national kinsmen within its borders.


    I agree about the benefits of conciliation. In most of the cases you listed that was true. But why not add post-Maidan Kiev? They would be much better off if they were reasonable and conciliatory. They probably now regret their own militancy in 2014-22.

     

    Sure, if Russia could provide 100% ironclad legal guarantees that Ukraine would be allowed EU membership and the EU would actually provide a real pathway to this before the war, then this might be viable. Assuming, of course, that Russia won't subsequently use its Donbass proxies to do things such as stall anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine in order to make EU membership unachievable in practice for Ukraine even if a membership perspective to Ukraine is already technically offered by the EU.

    I think that it is highly regretful that the EU waited until after Ukraine got invaded by Russia to offer a membership perspective to it. This should have been done back in 2014, IMHO. At least could have encouraged more aggressive anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine, maybe. Ukrainians would have had a clearer picture of the end-goal earlier.

    I have no problem with a South Tyrol-style arrangement for the Donbass and never did.


    That will only be true if they lose the war and Nato expands to Ukraine-Georgia. If they win and prevent it, it will be a huge win. The problem is that Russia sees Nato in Ukraine as an existential issue – they made it clear they would fight (“red line”). It is different than the other examples you listed where I agree with you.

     

    Even if Russia prevents NATO in Ukraine, it will still have a very well-armed and hostile Ukraine right next door. A very partial victory at best, and at an extremely high cost. Not worth it. Akin to the Central Powers winning WWI after a long war. Sure, Serbia would no longer be pro-Russian and Russian military power would be effectively destroyed, possibly for a while, but the cost for the CPs would nevertheless be absolutely enormous.

    Russia can view Ukraine in NATO as an existential issue. That's its own prerogative. Whether it's wise to do so is, of course, a separate question. And FWIW, while I do think that pushing for the removal of Soviet nuclear missiles in Cuba was a good move on the part of the US, I'm unsure that a quarantine/blockade of Cuba was the best way to achieve this goal. Much, much better than a full-on US invasion of Cuba, but still an extremely serious risk of nuclear war. Maybe putting much more US missiles in Turkey and Italy and not doing a quarantine/blockade on Cuba would have been better, and then offering to withdraw all US missiles in Turkey and Italy in exchange for a withdrawal of all Soviet missiles from Cuba? I don't think that Soviet nuclear missiles in Cuba were worth a nuclear war by any means, even if the US would have still won a nuclear war back then, albeit at an extraordinarily massive cost.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow

    Sure, Russia can sponsor it, but then it shouldn’t complain about the deaths. Maidan itself was virtually bloodless, IIRC.

    Not the situation with the snipers as detailed by Kachanovski. Crimea was much more virtually bloodless.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikhail

    I can't comment on Ivan K.'s claims since I'm not an expert in regards to the evidence. If truly a false flag, though, it was one hell of an epic false flag as well as a really stupid one in the event of an extraordinarily massive backlash in the event that the truth would have ever come out. I'm not convinced that it actually was a false flag, but I'm not ruling out the hypothesis at this point in time either.

    The Donbass could have been as bloodless as Crimea, or almost so, had Russia quickly annexed it back in 2014. It could have subsequently proceeded to give the Donbass much more autonomy within Russia than Ukraine was willing to give it within Ukraine.

  55. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Ukraine would not have been bombing the Donbass either had Russia either not sponsored a separatist rebellion there starting from 2014 or, alternatively, annexed the Donbass into the Russian Reich back in 2014 (or even in February 2022) just like it did with Crimea. Ukraine wasn't bombing Crimea, after all.

    As a side note, I've concluded that in general it's a good idea to be conciliatory when faced with more powerful rivals. This is a general rule, but of course there are exceptions. Serbia would have been better off being more conciliatory towards Austria-Hungary in 1914 and the pre-WWI years. Poland would have been better off being more conciliatory towards Nazi Germany in 1939, as both Czechia and pre-1944 Hungary can attest to. Russia would have been better off consenting to NATO's expansion into both Ukraine and Georgia back in 2008, however unfair Russia might have deemed it, and avoiding the current 2022-2023 clusterfuck later on. France would have been better off withdrawing from Algeria in 1954 than in 1962, if actually politically feasible (unfortunately, it wasn't). It would have been the same outcome at worst but with much fewer lives lost. At best, maybe the pieds-noirs could have actually been allowed to stay in Algeria without so much Muslim Algerian anger at having so much of their own blood spilled by the French.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail, @Gerard1234

    Ukraine would not have been bombing the Donbass either had Russia either not sponsored a separatist rebellion there starting from 2014 or, alternatively, annexed the Donbass into the Russian Reich back in 2014 (or even in February 2022) just like it did with Crimea. Ukraine wasn’t bombing Crimea, after all.

    Kiev became more of a Banderite Reich following the coup against Yaukovych, which prompted opposition to the neo-Nazi influenced entity that usurped power in that capital city.

  56. @John Johnson
    @Derer

    Taliban kicked out the US “invincible” military by Russian AK-47, old but very effective.

    The Taliban never kicked out the US military. That is a myth.

    US casualties in the last few years were below peacetime. Meaning you were more likely to be killed on vacation in Florida.

    The main problem was the cost. You have to fly practically everything into the country. It really is a logistical nightmare. I didn't support Biden's embarrassing exit but we couldn't fund Kabul indefinitely. The Afghan security forces would only fight with US air support and it's expensive to fly jets all over a large country.

    It's a myth propagated by the media that it was a Vietnam. The Taliban lost nearly all of their territory in one year. The US to Taliban kill ratio was something like 100 to 1.

    As for the Maxim machine gun I'm not saying it is ineffective. I am pointing out that the Russian military obviously has shortages if they are using them.

    The Russian Maxim is from 1910 and is really just the 1887 design:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PM_M1910

    An MG34 would be a massive upgrade.

    I would take an AK-47 over an M1910. A Maxim could be used for covering fire but then everyone would start shooting at you. They probably don't have much ammo for it. I'd rather take an AK with the concealment advantage. Finns however made great use of the 1910 in the Winter War. They would use them against Russians that couldn't move quickly in deep snow.

    It is not the hardware but the soldiers fighting purpose.

    Well then Russia is in trouble since very few of the Russian POWs can explain why the war exists.

    I don't think purpose is that important if the population is willing to die for the dictator and not ask questions. Unless you mean their purpose is to die in a state of confusion and hopelessness.

    Russians seems bred for serving the empire. That is why the USSR lasted for so long. It just isn't in their nature to rebel or question the government. Marx even wrote about how Russia would be the ideal first Soviet state since they had so many poor rural laborers that were used to serving the Tsar. He also correctly predicted that the Germans, British and Americans would be difficult to convert. Lenin envisioned a Communist Europe led by German that would compete against America. Both Marx and Lenin expected continental European Communism to be led by the Germans.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikhail

    The Taliban never kicked out the US military. That is a myth.

    As depicted in pro-svido circles, the Kiev regime victories in Kharkov, Kherson City and just outside Kiev are myths. The limited presence just outside Kiev was enough to get the Kiev regime to negotiate at Istanbul as intended, but wasn’t enough to take the city which wasn’t intended. The aforementioned Kharkov and Kherson City situations saw a relatively small Russian presence withdraw with limited casualties as the Kiev regime took many more casualties in advancing.

    Once again, this is a war of attrition which the NATO supported Kiev regime is definitely losing.

    The US presence in Afghanistan ended in failure as exhibited in how Biden said the propped American Afghan could fight on its own. The immediately melted, much unlike the Soviet propped Afghan government which remained for a good deal more time after the Soviet withdrawal.

    You’re like a neocon minus your bigoted outbursts concerning blacks.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    The US presence in Afghanistan ended in failure as exhibited in how Biden said the propped American Afghan could fight on its own.

    Biden knew that the Afghan state would collapse. It was already predicted by military and political analysts. Biden was lying when he said they had a chance at fighting on their own.

    That would still not mean that the US was kicked out of Afghanistan by the Taliban with AK-47s as the previous poster implied.

    Have a look at US fatalities for the final years:

    2019 1 0 2 3 1 3 3 3 2 0 2 1 23
    2020 4 3 0 0 1 0 2 0 0 0 1 0 11
    2021 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 – – – – 13

    13 total for 2021 which is lower than peacetime. It's a myth that Afghanistan was another Vietnam.

    The main problem was the cost. They are a landlocked country in the mountains which makes maintaining a military base expensive.

    You’re like a neocon minus your bigoted outbursts concerning blacks.

    You clearly don't know what that word means. The neocons supported "democracy building" in Afghanistan which meant trying to duplicate the US system. I have never supported that position. The neocons also believed in lying to the public about race and religion. I also don't support those positions. Strauss was a dark philosopher who believed the public needs to be told "noble lies" as Plato proposed. I am completely against that philosophy and it simply doesn't work in the age of the internet. Strauss promoted that philosophy in a time when harsh realities like racial differences could be kept from the public. Neocons never had a plan for the internet just like liberals. Their ideology is based on the assumption that intellectuals in the colleges can keep the public on what is basically a state religion. Strauss in fact argued that managers of the state need to pick a religion for the public and then unify around it. Nothing I have written at Unz suggests I support a state that knowingly lies to the people. I have in fact written about the destructive side of egalitarian lies. I turned heavily anti-leftist after being shown what happens in the schools. There is a concerted effort to not only lie but cheat in favor of race denial. It ends up working against the very kids that liberals are trying to protect.

    The neocon movement in DC is mostly dead. Its leaders are rarely interviewed by anyone and their organization collapsed before Trump took office. The term is incorrectly used here by posters that mean American globalist or Jew.

    Replies: @Mikel

  57. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...Did Putin keep his word to make LPR/DPR independent Republics?
     
    Statements are not treaties. Putin can argue that things have changed - Kiev militarily attacked LPR/DPR so they need the protection. You are mixing up words with treaties and that is nonsense - all politicians change what they say over time.

    US-UK-Nato openly broke treaties and they are usually proud of it. They always find a 'reason'.


    Journalists have been given 20 years for going against Putin.
     
    Who? Can you name a single journalist charged with "going against Putin"? I asked before and nobody provided a single example. Try again - and no generalities: give us a specific case. (And remember Assange and the 1,000 jailed in Washington for Jan 6.)

    Putin has absolute power and I can repost 1420 videos where Russians acknowledge he is a dictator.
     
    Anyone can post 10,000 videos where people say all kinds of things: US is an oligarchy, Israel is doing a genocide, EU politicians were paid off by Pfizer... It means nothing, why would videos in a country of 150 million be significant? Putin has 60-80% approval, Macron 25%, Biden 40%...who is the dictator? Maybe you don't understand what the term "governing with people majority support" means. (Hint: that is democracy.)

    Nobody in the modern state can have 'absolute power'. You are spouting shallow childish nonsense.

    Replies: @AP, @John Johnson

    and the 1,000 jailed in Washington for Jan 6.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/samuel-lazar-jan-6-riotetr-cooperation-government-rcna131333

    More than 1,200 people have been charged in connection with the Jan. 6 attack, and more than 450 have been sentenced to periods of incarceration

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @AP


    More than 1,200 people have been charged in connection with the Jan. 6 attack
     
    A huge number. Embarrassing for a "democracy" you idiot.

    more than 450 have been sentenced to periods of incarceration
     
    Again, a huge number. Not clear at all that far from all of the cases have completed the court process. Number is more than 450 anyway. Plus practically all of the 1200 were jailed for some period ( at least a few days) as part of the pre-trial proceedings or investigation stage.
    I would guess that all those who aren't in the huge number who have been sent to jail, but are on probation ....would immediately get sent to jail if they did say Trump had the election stolen , or there were provocateurs paid by the Democrats in the building etc.

    Also..........2 years for dressing up in an amusing costume ( shaman) and 4 to 5 years for placing foot on the table of a Pindostan politician. LMAO.

    Also, even though our own prison population is larger than we would like, American prison population is on another scale - extremely embarrassing and pathetic.
  58. @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    Putin always goes from a better offer to a worse one for his opponents (if the first offer is not accepted). His first offer to Ukies was Minsk agreements. His second offer was made at the negotiations in 2022, which the masters of Ukies told them to reject.

    You're talking about his offer where Ukraine agrees to de-militarize and not join NATO.

    And what exactly would stop Russia from invading Ukraine after handing over their weapons?

    Putin's word? The same Putin that promised to make LPR/DPR independent states and then threw their flags in the trash?

    The 2022 offer was just a trap. Putin must be used to the company of idiots if he thought it would work.

    Furthermore the offer was never made to Zelensky. Putin has had a bounty on his head since the start of the war. Does that sound like someone trying to negotiate in good faith?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Derer, @Sean

    Putin has had a bounty on his (Zelensky) head

    Your knowledge of the situation is amazingly dismal. If this was Russians objective Zelensky would have been history. It is cat and mouse game for Russia they are involved at the 25% of military capacity. Their objective is to bleed the West to the extent of EU dogs disintegration whose economies are shrinking and Russian is growing at the 5.5%. Russians are waiting for the Zelensky exit a la Ceausescu.

  59. @Mr. XYZ
    I've got a question for AP: Does the collapse of the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia indicate that Austria-Hungary was more likely than not to eventually fail even without World War I? I mean, you could say that Communism played a large role in the collapse of the former countries mentioned here, but the schisms that existed within them often existed even before Communism came along there. Lothrop Stoddard, for instance, already predicted an eventual Slovak secessionist push to achieve full independence back in his 1924 book Racial realities in Europe. Likewise, Slovenes and Croats resented the fact that they were politically dominated by the less civilized and less cultured Serbs in the interwar era.

    Would the main thing that have ensured that Austria-Hungary would not have collapsed or broken up in the absence of World War I have been German military force and German willingness to prop up its main and biggest ally by force by any means necessary? Along with, of course, continued German unwillingness to incorporate Austria's Catholic Germans into the German Reich for fear for too heavily distorting the religious balance in the German Empire in favor of Catholics?

    Replies: @AP, @Derer

    The collapse of the Soviets, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia coincide with the collapse of the communist tyranny that kept it together by force.

    The EU project is awaiting the same fate…it cannot survive the impossible task of getting away with taking away sovereignty of individual highly nationalistic countries. It cannot survive for “polluting” ethnically homogeneous countries by the visible minorities of the former colonizing countries.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Derer

    The EU aims to strike a delicate balance between national sovereignty and creating a deeper supranational union (confederation). It's a delicate balance, but it's still doable, I would suspect. Britain appears to be having buyer's remorse for leaving the EU.

    Eastern Europe appears to have less immigration relative to Western Europe, for the time being, at least. Hopefully they will be more selective with their future Muslim immigrants than Western Europe has unfortunately been in the past.

    Replies: @Sean

  60. @Mr. Hack
    @LondonBob

    Do you know how difficult it is today for a draft age Ukrainian male to leave Ukraine? Last that I saw (on a documentary on the subject) the favorite route was through Romania. How about crossing the Polish, Slovak or Hungarian borders? Direct attempts from Boryspil through to Germany or France would seem futile at this point?

    Replies: @Beckow, @LondonBob, @AP

    Dima of Military Summary discussed this the other day, his friend there said it is 10,000 USD so was reluctant, he advised him to do it as the price is likely to go up.

  61. @LatW
    @songbird


    No more seeing kids eat “chicken nuggets” on feast days – I want them to be fighting over the giblets.
     
    LOL

    Organ meats are nutritious (and, in fact, we're missing out by not eating them more, in hunter-gatherer times they were eaten regularly). Of course, it might be hard to make kids eat them, since kids can already be rather picky. But they might eat beef tongue if it's prepared right and if it's cut in small, more appetizing looking pieces. Same goes for gelatin, that's needed, too, and probably even some cartilage. Mmm, a cup of tasty broth on a winter night...

    https://chriskresser.com/how-to-eat-more-organ-meats/

    Replies: @AP

    Tongue is a muscle rather than an organ though.

    I once ate seal – it tastes like liver.

  62. Sher Singh says:

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/breaking-down-thinktank-lands-latest

    https://blog.reaction.la/war/the-enemy-are-afraid/

    To deter and defend against a renewed Russian threat following a full Russian victory in Ukraine the United States will have to deploy to Eastern Europe a sizable portion of its ground forces. The United States will have to station in Europe a large number of stealth aircraft. Building and maintaining those aircraft is intrinsically expensive, but challenges in manufacturing them rapidly will likely force the United States to make a terrible choice between keeping enough in Asia to defend Taiwan and its other Asian allies and deterring or defeating a Russian attack on a NATO ally. The entire undertaking will cost a fortune, and the cost will last as long as the Russian threat continues—potentially indefinitely.

  63. @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    Hard to believe...incredible! :-)

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Extremely hard to believe, and literally incredible.

  64. @A123
    @Derer


    Taliban kicked out the US
     
    ROTFL -- The description "kicked out" is ludicrous.

    Trump accurately realized that the U.S. had no national interest at stake in Afghanistan. It was clear that departure was the correct choice. He was working out the details of a deal to gracefully leave, handing over the reins to local actors including some elements of the Taliban.

    Personal blame for the failed withdrawal falls on Gen. SJW Milley, Not-The-President Biden, and their associates. Those unelected individuals took what should have been an orderly wrap up and turned it into an unnecessary fiasco.

    It is not the hardware but the soldiers fighting purpose
     
    I concur with this.

    It explains why indigenous Palestinian Jews are winning ~20:1 versus Hamas. Israel is in a fight for survival, and thus has soldiers with "fighting purpose". The Iranian proxy troops on the ground are realizing that Hamas leadership in Qatar and Iran is expending them with no viable plan.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @YetAnotherAnon, @Derer

    “It explains why indigenous Palestinian Jews are winning ~20:1 versus Hamas.”

    In women and children killed, it might be 30 or 40 to one.

    It’s obviously the soldiers fighting purpose that makes their bombing aircraft so effective…

    • Replies: @A123
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Everyone notices that you refuse to answer the critical question about Hamas using Muslim women & children as human shields:

    How else is the IDF supposed to fight such a degenerate foe?

    Palestinian Jews are not going into tunnels -- other than for rare high risk, high reward missions such as hostage rescue. Where flooding them with seawater is not an option, that leaves shattering them above. 100% of the blame & responsibility falls on Hamas for placing civilians in and on top of valid military targets.

    PEACE 😇

  65. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    Are you saying the Crimean vote was legitimate?
     
    As legitimate as any voting in a conflict zone. But yes, it reflected the will of the majority in Crimea. If you redo it, you will get the same pro-Russia result.

    Russia’s invasion of Zapozorista Oblast is unjust and they are right to fight back since they are overwhelmingly Ukrainian and never supported pro-Russian parties?
     
    We are in the total war so now it is not about justice or what you claim about pre-war support. It is now about two sides with diametrically opposing goals and the stronger one will win. The time to talk about justice was in 2014-20 when Kiev was bombing its own Donbas civilians, arming with Nato for a war on Russia, banning Russians language.

    That train has left the station, now it is about who wins. They will decide what is "just", it is always like that. Nato did it in Serbia, Iraq, Libya, etc...what planet do you live on? (Go easy on the Walmart fluffy bread....:)


    Russia tried invading Kiev? Was that justified?
     
    To objective observers it looked like Russia was trying to pressure Kiev into making a deal. The deal was very simple: no Nato and autonomy-independence for Donbas. Kiev refused. Now we have an all-out war and Ukraine is losing. That deal, or any version of Minsk would have been much better for the Ukies. It is too late for that.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @YetAnotherAnon

    What was really impressive in Crimea was when they asked the military garrisons if they wanted to join Russia or stay in the Ukrainian forces and leave Crimea. I forget the exact figures, but something like 12,000 chose to go to Ukraine and 30,000-plus chose to stay.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @YetAnotherAnon

    It might be great to read an Iranian or Chinese spy unit briefing on what those guys are thinking now. The memories are probably all over the place and conclusions are probably tenuous but I am guessing there are some great stories.

    , @AP
    @YetAnotherAnon


    What was really impressive in Crimea was when they asked the military garrisons if they wanted to join Russia or stay in the Ukrainian forces and leave Crimea. I forget the exact figures, but something like 12,000 chose to go to Ukraine and 30,000-plus chose to stay.
     
    Since most were locals that is understandable (Ukraine was more humane and allowed military servicemen to be stationed near their home towns). Why be exiled from one's home? Plus most locals were ethnic Russians anyways.

    What is stupid is when some pro-Russians assumed the same phenomenon would be repeated elsewhere in Ukraine and that war with Russia would involve mass desertions by Ukrainians all over the place.

    , @Verymuchalive
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I do remember that no one got killed as a result of Russia-Crimea unification, probably the first time that has happened since the Belgian Revolution of 1830. But I don't recall the story about the Crimean garrison being given a free choice as to which side they wanted to pick, with the "Ukrainians" being permitted to depart peacefully from Crimea. Was the story suppressed by the Western MSM ? I would not be at all surprised. I would be very grateful if you could supply a source for this intriguing story.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  66. I just got through reading Escobar’s latest. Guys like Karlin with his newly embraced political ideology, must be chomping at the bit and already be packing and polishing up their resumes and applying for their Phd scholarships to study/work in Harbin.

    The idea is to turn it into an economic, scientific development and national defense mega-hub, centered on the provincial capital Harbin, complete with a new, sprawling Special Economic Zone (SEZ). The key vector is that this mega-hub would also coordinate the development of the immense Russian Far East. This was discussed in detail at the Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok last September. In a unique, startling arrangement, the Chinese may be allowed to manage selected latitudes of the Russian Far East for the next 100 years.

    Although Pepe is a little bit too blithe in having Putler handing over Ukrainian ethnographic territories to Nato countries, moving them closer to Moscow?

    Putin even allowed himself, half in jest, to offer Russian support for the potential “re-annexation” of country 404 border regions once annexed by Stalin, eventually to be returned to former owners Poland, Hungary & Romania. He added that he is 100% certain this is what residents of those still Ukrainian borders want.

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/russia-china-are-on-a-roll/

    Karlin though may need to rearrange his urban hipster lifestyle, maybe not?… 🙂

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    What kind of fur coat do they use in Harbin this time of year is what I want to know and wikipedia didn't even give the climate table. According to accuweather it is now 6 degrees F (that is 14 degrees C for you godless Europeans) and the air quality is very unhealthy.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Mr. Hack

  67. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Beckow

    What was really impressive in Crimea was when they asked the military garrisons if they wanted to join Russia or stay in the Ukrainian forces and leave Crimea. I forget the exact figures, but something like 12,000 chose to go to Ukraine and 30,000-plus chose to stay.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @Verymuchalive

    It might be great to read an Iranian or Chinese spy unit briefing on what those guys are thinking now. The memories are probably all over the place and conclusions are probably tenuous but I am guessing there are some great stories.

  68. @Mr. Hack
    @LondonBob

    Do you know how difficult it is today for a draft age Ukrainian male to leave Ukraine? Last that I saw (on a documentary on the subject) the favorite route was through Romania. How about crossing the Polish, Slovak or Hungarian borders? Direct attempts from Boryspil through to Germany or France would seem futile at this point?

    Replies: @Beckow, @LondonBob, @AP

    Do you know how difficult it is today for a draft age Ukrainian male to leave Ukraine?

    From what I’ve heard it’s about a year’s annual average wag in Ukraine ($7,500) or more. A middle class or rich person can do it, but a poor person cannot.

    It’s comparable to the price of hiring a smuggler to get oneself from Central America to the USA. But the trip to Romania is a lot easier than the trip across the Mexican desert.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Yes, but I don't think that Romania is the ultimate destination. Once in Romania, then what? Most probably don't speak Romanian so they must try to blend in and stay aloof...how about the other countries that I mentioned (Poland, Hungary Slovakia)? Somebody, occasionally, must try to just board a plane and make their escape?

    Airport personnel have traditionally been known to be very accommodating for the right price. I was once stopped at the Lviv airport for carrying, unsuspected by me, contraband. The guards were threatening to arrest me and take me to Lviv for further prosecution, that didn't really appeal to me for I had to be at work in two days. After inspecting everything more carefully including my wallet, they returned everything (including the contraband item!), however my wallet was $200 lighter. They left me with $400 for which I thought that I got off at bargain prices. :-)

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Do you think that the ability to afford a smuggler is a part of the reason as to why the US's Hispanic homicide rates are much lower than those in Latin America? As in, the US gets the somewhat more well-behaved Hispanics, who are also able to save up more money?

    Replies: @Miro23

  69. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Beckow

    What was really impressive in Crimea was when they asked the military garrisons if they wanted to join Russia or stay in the Ukrainian forces and leave Crimea. I forget the exact figures, but something like 12,000 chose to go to Ukraine and 30,000-plus chose to stay.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @Verymuchalive

    What was really impressive in Crimea was when they asked the military garrisons if they wanted to join Russia or stay in the Ukrainian forces and leave Crimea. I forget the exact figures, but something like 12,000 chose to go to Ukraine and 30,000-plus chose to stay.

    Since most were locals that is understandable (Ukraine was more humane and allowed military servicemen to be stationed near their home towns). Why be exiled from one’s home? Plus most locals were ethnic Russians anyways.

    What is stupid is when some pro-Russians assumed the same phenomenon would be repeated elsewhere in Ukraine and that war with Russia would involve mass desertions by Ukrainians all over the place.

  70. @Mr. Hack
    I just got through reading Escobar's latest. Guys like Karlin with his newly embraced political ideology, must be chomping at the bit and already be packing and polishing up their resumes and applying for their Phd scholarships to study/work in Harbin.

    The idea is to turn it into an economic, scientific development and national defense mega-hub, centered on the provincial capital Harbin, complete with a new, sprawling Special Economic Zone (SEZ). The key vector is that this mega-hub would also coordinate the development of the immense Russian Far East. This was discussed in detail at the Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok last September. In a unique, startling arrangement, the Chinese may be allowed to manage selected latitudes of the Russian Far East for the next 100 years.
     
    Although Pepe is a little bit too blithe in having Putler handing over Ukrainian ethnographic territories to Nato countries, moving them closer to Moscow?

    Putin even allowed himself, half in jest, to offer Russian support for the potential “re-annexation” of country 404 border regions once annexed by Stalin, eventually to be returned to former owners Poland, Hungary & Romania. He added that he is 100% certain this is what residents of those still Ukrainian borders want.
     
    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/russia-china-are-on-a-roll/

    Karlin though may need to rearrange his urban hipster lifestyle, maybe not?... :-)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    What kind of fur coat do they use in Harbin this time of year is what I want to know and wikipedia didn’t even give the climate table. According to accuweather it is now 6 degrees F (that is 14 degrees C for you godless Europeans) and the air quality is very unhealthy.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    it is now 6 degrees F (that is 14 degrees C for you godless Europeans)
     
    No, it's -14 degrees C. A big difference. Whenever the temperature is below freezing it's minus something in Celsius.

    Thanks for your Comanches book recommendation. I started reading it and looks very interesting.
    , @Mr. Hack
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    What's the matter? Doesn't your Google work?

    https://images-cdn.bridgemanimages.com/api/1.0/image/600wm.XXX.85717430.7055475/3468579.jpg
    Owner of Harbin Fur Factory holding fur coat made from endangered animal skin, Heliongjiang Province,...

    https://www.bridgemanimages.com/en-US/alain-le-garsmeur/owner-of-harbin-fur-factory-holding-fur-coat-made-from-endangered-animal-skin-heliongjiang-province/photograph/asset/3468579

  71. @Mr. XYZ
    As a side note, the Bolsheviks were truly evil little shits: They refused to allow or tolerate any dissent outside of the party, even when this dissent was "revolutionary", as with the Kronstadt sailors back in 1921, and Stalin ultimately decided to take this logic to the next level by refusing to tolerate any dissent within the party either. The Bolsheviks would have been much better off creating a multiparty system back in the early 1920s in exchange for them getting immunity for committing the Red Terror in the past (not committing the Red Terror would have, of course, been even better, but you can't ask the Bolsheviks to be too nice, unfortunately) even if this would have meant that the Bolsheviks would have lost the next elections and been consigned to the opposition benches. After all, even life in the political opposition would have been much, much better than being brutally and gruesomely purged and killed by Stalin, a fellow comrade.

    Revolutions truly do sometimes devour their own children.

    Replies: @Derer

    David R. Francis US ambassador to Russia sent a dispatch to Washington in Jan. 1918:

    “The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90% of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”

  72. Movie sucks but this scene is kind of great.

  73. (from prior thread)

    Looks like Netanyahu and his government really were serious about that “expulsion to Sinai” proposal

    If it really were going to end up there that I’d ultimately find that acceptable myself. I think the entire world is well and true sick of the endless Israel-Palestine Conflict and if the Palestinian Arabs began being mass deported, public opinion (outside the Muslim world) would secretly breathe a sigh relief that this tedious and bloody quagmire was finally over.

    A disorderly expulsion is not in the cards. An involuntary move simply relocates the problem, it does not resolve it. Also, Egypt and Israel cooperate on a number of issues.

    70+ years of failure has made the point that none of the options previously discussed, such as the deranged One Genocide State solution, are viable. The problem simply cannot be addressed exclusively inside the 23% of the original Palestinian Mandate. Various nations, including many Muslim ones, want the situation wrapped up so they can move on to other pressing issues.

    More promising and orderly ideas are finally beginning to gain traction; Jordanian citizenship; VOLUNTARY (100% non-genocidal) “Right of Islamic Return” to assimilate in various Muslim nations; Establishing a New Muslim Palestine on existing Muslim lands. All of these are worth talking about, and additional concepts could be brought to the table.

    But the problem is, the US and Europe is largely paying the bill for for Israel’s war (in both money and reputation),

    That is an ongoing misconception. U.S. and European support for Palestinian Jews was large in the early in the early days. However, in 2023 Israel received 1-2% of what Kiev obtained. Current deals are more about geopolitical strategy. And, in America’s case, funding our domestic MIC.

    The problem is that Europe and the UN/NWO are paying the bill for Muslim aggression (in both money and reputation). Look at how many illegal land grabs in Judea and Samaria bear EU flags. Islamists surviving on the international dole creates an exploitable population. Hamas has thoroughly infiltrated & corrupted UNRWA.

    they’ll probably receive the brunt of refugees later as well.

    Fortunately for America, that idea is effectively a non-starter over here. It is so inflammatory that the Veggie-In-Chief’s handlers will block it for the 2024 Presidential race. Then, the door will be firmly nailed shut by Trump’s 2nd term.

    Letting them into European nations would be a disastrous error. However, you may be correct that specific countries are so dysfunctional that they may admit these undesirables.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123

    If the Palestinians move to Sinai then ten years from now Israel will have to bomb them to smithereens all over again. Stupid.

    WAR

    Replies: @A123

    , @sudden death
    @A123


    specific countries are so dysfunctional that they may admit these undesirables
     
    Honest description of putinist RF, which is naturalising them atm;)
  74. @YetAnotherAnon
    @A123

    "It explains why indigenous Palestinian Jews are winning ~20:1 versus Hamas."

    In women and children killed, it might be 30 or 40 to one.

    It's obviously the soldiers fighting purpose that makes their bombing aircraft so effective...

    Replies: @A123

    Everyone notices that you refuse to answer the critical question about Hamas using Muslim women & children as human shields:

    How else is the IDF supposed to fight such a degenerate foe?

    Palestinian Jews are not going into tunnels — other than for rare high risk, high reward missions such as hostage rescue. Where flooding them with seawater is not an option, that leaves shattering them above. 100% of the blame & responsibility falls on Hamas for placing civilians in and on top of valid military targets.

    PEACE 😇

  75. @A123

    @Yevardian (from prior thread)

    Looks like Netanyahu and his government really were serious about that “expulsion to Sinai” proposal
     
    If it really were going to end up there that I’d ultimately find that acceptable myself. I think the entire world is well and true sick of the endless Israel-Palestine Conflict and if the Palestinian Arabs began being mass deported, public opinion (outside the Muslim world) would secretly breathe a sigh relief that this tedious and bloody quagmire was finally over.
     
    A disorderly expulsion is not in the cards. An involuntary move simply relocates the problem, it does not resolve it. Also, Egypt and Israel cooperate on a number of issues.

    70+ years of failure has made the point that none of the options previously discussed, such as the deranged One Genocide State solution, are viable. The problem simply cannot be addressed exclusively inside the 23% of the original Palestinian Mandate. Various nations, including many Muslim ones, want the situation wrapped up so they can move on to other pressing issues.

    More promising and orderly ideas are finally beginning to gain traction; Jordanian citizenship; VOLUNTARY (100% non-genocidal) "Right of Islamic Return" to assimilate in various Muslim nations; Establishing a New Muslim Palestine on existing Muslim lands. All of these are worth talking about, and additional concepts could be brought to the table.

    But the problem is, the US and Europe is largely paying the bill for for Israel’s war (in both money and reputation),
     
    That is an ongoing misconception. U.S. and European support for Palestinian Jews was large in the early in the early days. However, in 2023 Israel received 1-2% of what Kiev obtained. Current deals are more about geopolitical strategy. And, in America's case, funding our domestic MIC.

    The problem is that Europe and the UN/NWO are paying the bill for Muslim aggression (in both money and reputation). Look at how many illegal land grabs in Judea and Samaria bear EU flags. Islamists surviving on the international dole creates an exploitable population. Hamas has thoroughly infiltrated & corrupted UNRWA.

    they’ll probably receive the brunt of refugees later as well.
     
    Fortunately for America, that idea is effectively a non-starter over here. It is so inflammatory that the Veggie-In-Chief's handlers will block it for the 2024 Presidential race. Then, the door will be firmly nailed shut by Trump's 2nd term.

    Letting them into European nations would be a disastrous error. However, you may be correct that specific countries are so dysfunctional that they may admit these undesirables.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @sudden death

    If the Palestinians move to Sinai then ten years from now Israel will have to bomb them to smithereens all over again. Stupid.

    WAR

    • Replies: @A123
    @Emil Nikola Richard



    A disorderly expulsion is not in the cards. An involuntary move simply relocates the problem, it does not resolve it. Also, Egypt and Israel cooperate on a number of issues.
     
    If the Palestinians move to Sinai then ten years from now Israel will have to bomb them to smithereens all over again. Stupid.
     
    I concur.

    A disorderly & involuntary move would simply extend the problem. That is why it will not happen.

    PEACE 😇
  76. @A123

    @Yevardian (from prior thread)

    Looks like Netanyahu and his government really were serious about that “expulsion to Sinai” proposal
     
    If it really were going to end up there that I’d ultimately find that acceptable myself. I think the entire world is well and true sick of the endless Israel-Palestine Conflict and if the Palestinian Arabs began being mass deported, public opinion (outside the Muslim world) would secretly breathe a sigh relief that this tedious and bloody quagmire was finally over.
     
    A disorderly expulsion is not in the cards. An involuntary move simply relocates the problem, it does not resolve it. Also, Egypt and Israel cooperate on a number of issues.

    70+ years of failure has made the point that none of the options previously discussed, such as the deranged One Genocide State solution, are viable. The problem simply cannot be addressed exclusively inside the 23% of the original Palestinian Mandate. Various nations, including many Muslim ones, want the situation wrapped up so they can move on to other pressing issues.

    More promising and orderly ideas are finally beginning to gain traction; Jordanian citizenship; VOLUNTARY (100% non-genocidal) "Right of Islamic Return" to assimilate in various Muslim nations; Establishing a New Muslim Palestine on existing Muslim lands. All of these are worth talking about, and additional concepts could be brought to the table.

    But the problem is, the US and Europe is largely paying the bill for for Israel’s war (in both money and reputation),
     
    That is an ongoing misconception. U.S. and European support for Palestinian Jews was large in the early in the early days. However, in 2023 Israel received 1-2% of what Kiev obtained. Current deals are more about geopolitical strategy. And, in America's case, funding our domestic MIC.

    The problem is that Europe and the UN/NWO are paying the bill for Muslim aggression (in both money and reputation). Look at how many illegal land grabs in Judea and Samaria bear EU flags. Islamists surviving on the international dole creates an exploitable population. Hamas has thoroughly infiltrated & corrupted UNRWA.

    they’ll probably receive the brunt of refugees later as well.
     
    Fortunately for America, that idea is effectively a non-starter over here. It is so inflammatory that the Veggie-In-Chief's handlers will block it for the 2024 Presidential race. Then, the door will be firmly nailed shut by Trump's 2nd term.

    Letting them into European nations would be a disastrous error. However, you may be correct that specific countries are so dysfunctional that they may admit these undesirables.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @sudden death

    specific countries are so dysfunctional that they may admit these undesirables

    Honest description of putinist RF, which is naturalising them atm;)

  77. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...Did Putin keep his word to make LPR/DPR independent Republics?
     
    Statements are not treaties. Putin can argue that things have changed - Kiev militarily attacked LPR/DPR so they need the protection. You are mixing up words with treaties and that is nonsense - all politicians change what they say over time.

    US-UK-Nato openly broke treaties and they are usually proud of it. They always find a 'reason'.


    Journalists have been given 20 years for going against Putin.
     
    Who? Can you name a single journalist charged with "going against Putin"? I asked before and nobody provided a single example. Try again - and no generalities: give us a specific case. (And remember Assange and the 1,000 jailed in Washington for Jan 6.)

    Putin has absolute power and I can repost 1420 videos where Russians acknowledge he is a dictator.
     
    Anyone can post 10,000 videos where people say all kinds of things: US is an oligarchy, Israel is doing a genocide, EU politicians were paid off by Pfizer... It means nothing, why would videos in a country of 150 million be significant? Putin has 60-80% approval, Macron 25%, Biden 40%...who is the dictator? Maybe you don't understand what the term "governing with people majority support" means. (Hint: that is democracy.)

    Nobody in the modern state can have 'absolute power'. You are spouting shallow childish nonsense.

    Replies: @AP, @John Johnson

    Did Putin keep his word to make LPR/DPR independent Republics?

    Statements are not treaties. Putin can argue that things have changed – Kiev militarily attacked LPR/DPR so they need the protection.

    So Putin will break his own signed decree on the autonomy of a proposed state but you can trust him on a treaty involving a state he invaded? Is that what you are saying?

    He signed the decree after invading Ukraine. What prevents him from protecting LPR/DPR as autonomous states? Explain that for us.

    Who? Can you name a single journalist charged with “going against Putin“? I asked before and nobody provided a single example. Try again – and no generalities: give us a specific case.

    Maria Ponomarenko
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64647267

    6 years in prison for posting on social media about the war.

    Maybe you don’t understand what the term “governing with people majority support” means. (Hint: that is democracy.)

    Popular support is not a democracy.

    Hitler had popular support for many years. Was that a democracy?

    If you can’t remove the leader then you don’t have a democracy. You also can’t have a democracy if the people aren’t allowed to criticize the government. That would be a state where the government has complete power over the people. Not a democracy.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64647267

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    Ponomarenko was found guilty of spreading "fake news" about war crimes committed by the Russian army (from BBC)
     
    I disagree with it, I am against controls on speech. But she was not charged with "going against Putin", the case was not about Putin. You are propagandizing.

    Journalist during war claimed that her army intentionally killed hundreds of civilians in the Mariupol theatre. It wasn't true and couldn't be proven in court. The law protects the army from unfounded public accusations and she accused her own army of intentional mass murder without proof. Laws like that exist all over the world, in wars people are touchy.

    Imagine a journalist in France during the war on Serbia reporting that French army intentionally killed few hundred Serbs - it would turn that something else happened and no "intention to kill" could be shown...I suspect in France they would find a way to hold her accountable. Wars bring out the ugly stuff in all countries.

    You made up the part about "going against Putin". Anyone else? Or were you just blowing steam?


    Hitler had popular support for many years.
     
    I suspect till the end. Bringing up "Hitler" shows your desperation - it is the Ukie side that is linked and admires the Nazis. Read what the deranged Nazis write here about the "Asiatic" Russians...

    If you can’t remove the leader then you don’t have a democracy...and people aren’t allowed to criticize the government. That would be a state where the government has complete power over the people.
     
    Russia has held free open elections for 30 years, about as free as most Western versions where media power, who is allowed to compete and money plays similar role. Putin is by far the most popular candidate - the reality that all Western analysts agree with. He has 60-80% approval even in Western managed polls.

    People in Russia criticise the government all the time - on TV and in the media, on the streets, to Putin's face... There are "videos" everywhere, even your previous "videos" deny what you are claiming now. Your issue is that the majority supports the current government. That is an issue all over the world and in all democracies. Not everyone can win - this is not US-like competition to raise self-esteem...:)


    Putin will break his own signed decree on the autonomy of a proposed state but you can trust him...
     
    Your nonsense about treaties vs. "decrees" is pathetic. You are trying to deceive or you don't understand it: a decree is not a treaty...ok? So you are barking up the wrong tree, try something real. How about US-Nato breaking actual treaties at will?

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  78. @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    Do you know how difficult it is today for a draft age Ukrainian male to leave Ukraine?
     
    From what I've heard it's about a year's annual average wag in Ukraine ($7,500) or more. A middle class or rich person can do it, but a poor person cannot.

    It's comparable to the price of hiring a smuggler to get oneself from Central America to the USA. But the trip to Romania is a lot easier than the trip across the Mexican desert.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    Yes, but I don’t think that Romania is the ultimate destination. Once in Romania, then what? Most probably don’t speak Romanian so they must try to blend in and stay aloof…how about the other countries that I mentioned (Poland, Hungary Slovakia)? Somebody, occasionally, must try to just board a plane and make their escape?

    Airport personnel have traditionally been known to be very accommodating for the right price. I was once stopped at the Lviv airport for carrying, unsuspected by me, contraband. The guards were threatening to arrest me and take me to Lviv for further prosecution, that didn’t really appeal to me for I had to be at work in two days. After inspecting everything more carefully including my wallet, they returned everything (including the contraband item!), however my wallet was $200 lighter. They left me with $400 for which I thought that I got off at bargain prices. 🙂

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    Yes, but I don’t think that Romania is the ultimate destination. Once in Romania, then what?
     
    Then they can go anywhere. A friend was recently on vacation in Portugal, he saw Ukrainians even there. Mostly women refugees, but a few draft-age males.

    To be clear, most are not trying to avoid the draft. There is this weird idea that Ukrainians either volunteer to go to the front, or are willing to evade the draft. So if the number of volunteers has been exhausted there will be no soldiers because everyone else wants to dodge the draft. This assumes there are no people in-between. People who won’t sign up to fight but instead will live their lives but will join if called.

    But even if only 30% of potential draftees try to avoid, that is still a lot of people in a nation of 30+ million before the war.

    Replies: @Beckow

  79. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123

    If the Palestinians move to Sinai then ten years from now Israel will have to bomb them to smithereens all over again. Stupid.

    WAR

    Replies: @A123

    A disorderly expulsion is not in the cards. An involuntary move simply relocates the problem, it does not resolve it. Also, Egypt and Israel cooperate on a number of issues.

    If the Palestinians move to Sinai then ten years from now Israel will have to bomb them to smithereens all over again. Stupid.

    I concur.

    A disorderly & involuntary move would simply extend the problem. That is why it will not happen.

    PEACE 😇

  80. @Mikhail
    @John Johnson


    The Taliban never kicked out the US military. That is a myth.
     
    As depicted in pro-svido circles, the Kiev regime victories in Kharkov, Kherson City and just outside Kiev are myths. The limited presence just outside Kiev was enough to get the Kiev regime to negotiate at Istanbul as intended, but wasn't enough to take the city which wasn't intended. The aforementioned Kharkov and Kherson City situations saw a relatively small Russian presence withdraw with limited casualties as the Kiev regime took many more casualties in advancing.

    Once again, this is a war of attrition which the NATO supported Kiev regime is definitely losing.

    The US presence in Afghanistan ended in failure as exhibited in how Biden said the propped American Afghan could fight on its own. The immediately melted, much unlike the Soviet propped Afghan government which remained for a good deal more time after the Soviet withdrawal.

    You're like a neocon minus your bigoted outbursts concerning blacks.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The US presence in Afghanistan ended in failure as exhibited in how Biden said the propped American Afghan could fight on its own.

    Biden knew that the Afghan state would collapse. It was already predicted by military and political analysts. Biden was lying when he said they had a chance at fighting on their own.

    That would still not mean that the US was kicked out of Afghanistan by the Taliban with AK-47s as the previous poster implied.

    Have a look at US fatalities for the final years:

    2019 1 0 2 3 1 3 3 3 2 0 2 1 23
    2020 4 3 0 0 1 0 2 0 0 0 1 0 11
    2021 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 – – – – 13

    13 total for 2021 which is lower than peacetime. It’s a myth that Afghanistan was another Vietnam.

    The main problem was the cost. They are a landlocked country in the mountains which makes maintaining a military base expensive.

    You’re like a neocon minus your bigoted outbursts concerning blacks.

    You clearly don’t know what that word means. The neocons supported “democracy building” in Afghanistan which meant trying to duplicate the US system. I have never supported that position. The neocons also believed in lying to the public about race and religion. I also don’t support those positions. Strauss was a dark philosopher who believed the public needs to be told “noble lies” as Plato proposed. I am completely against that philosophy and it simply doesn’t work in the age of the internet. Strauss promoted that philosophy in a time when harsh realities like racial differences could be kept from the public. Neocons never had a plan for the internet just like liberals. Their ideology is based on the assumption that intellectuals in the colleges can keep the public on what is basically a state religion. Strauss in fact argued that managers of the state need to pick a religion for the public and then unify around it. Nothing I have written at Unz suggests I support a state that knowingly lies to the people. I have in fact written about the destructive side of egalitarian lies. I turned heavily anti-leftist after being shown what happens in the schools. There is a concerted effort to not only lie but cheat in favor of race denial. It ends up working against the very kids that liberals are trying to protect.

    The neocon movement in DC is mostly dead. Its leaders are rarely interviewed by anyone and their organization collapsed before Trump took office. The term is incorrectly used here by posters that mean American globalist or Jew.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    That would still not mean that the US was kicked out of Afghanistan by the Taliban with AK-47s as the previous poster implied.
     
    But it was, for all intents and purposes.

    20 years after the US invaded Afghanistan to remove the Taliban from power, the Taliban controlled more than half of the country and no US soldier would set foot in those parts, except for maybe a hit and run operation. It wasn't another Vietnam because the US (rationally enough) wasn't willing to sustain that sort of casualties.

    If you took part in that adventure the reality is that your superiors decided that too many of you would die trying to defeat the AK-47 wielding and sandal-wearing Taliban. In fact, far too many Americans died for nothing. The end result (return of the Taliban to power) could have been achieved with many less casualties and much less waste of money for America.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson

  81. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    What kind of fur coat do they use in Harbin this time of year is what I want to know and wikipedia didn't even give the climate table. According to accuweather it is now 6 degrees F (that is 14 degrees C for you godless Europeans) and the air quality is very unhealthy.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Mr. Hack

    it is now 6 degrees F (that is 14 degrees C for you godless Europeans)

    No, it’s -14 degrees C. A big difference. Whenever the temperature is below freezing it’s minus something in Celsius.

    Thanks for your Comanches book recommendation. I started reading it and looks very interesting.

  82. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Yes, but I don't think that Romania is the ultimate destination. Once in Romania, then what? Most probably don't speak Romanian so they must try to blend in and stay aloof...how about the other countries that I mentioned (Poland, Hungary Slovakia)? Somebody, occasionally, must try to just board a plane and make their escape?

    Airport personnel have traditionally been known to be very accommodating for the right price. I was once stopped at the Lviv airport for carrying, unsuspected by me, contraband. The guards were threatening to arrest me and take me to Lviv for further prosecution, that didn't really appeal to me for I had to be at work in two days. After inspecting everything more carefully including my wallet, they returned everything (including the contraband item!), however my wallet was $200 lighter. They left me with $400 for which I thought that I got off at bargain prices. :-)

    Replies: @AP

    Yes, but I don’t think that Romania is the ultimate destination. Once in Romania, then what?

    Then they can go anywhere. A friend was recently on vacation in Portugal, he saw Ukrainians even there. Mostly women refugees, but a few draft-age males.

    To be clear, most are not trying to avoid the draft. There is this weird idea that Ukrainians either volunteer to go to the front, or are willing to evade the draft. So if the number of volunteers has been exhausted there will be no soldiers because everyone else wants to dodge the draft. This assumes there are no people in-between. People who won’t sign up to fight but instead will live their lives but will join if called.

    But even if only 30% of potential draftees try to avoid, that is still a lot of people in a nation of 30+ million before the war.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    You actually described it correctly, but you left out the key fact that Ukie males are barred from leaving Ukraine - they have to bribe someone to leave. There are also the "VIP" exemptions: male relatives of the elite avoiding service. If the war is as existential as they claim why don't they put their own lives on the line?

    Numbers vary over time - in Central Europe Ukie women are a huge majority, 80-90%. Men are kept back, not everyone has $10k and wants to pay it, or is in the oligarchic elite. It is clear that by now large numbers of conscripted men don't want to fight.

    This is a slow downward spiral - the quality of draftees is going down, the ones who left will not be returned (impossible), women are not good fighters (too many needs)...the numbers are just not there.

    Tymoshenko (remember her?) just proposed that police and security personnel be sent to the front. She questioned why these well-trained men have been kept back...She may not understand the role that "police" plays in keeping the people cowed and quiet. Or she does and is signaling that she knows the gig is up...

    Replies: @AP

  83. @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    Did Putin keep his word to make LPR/DPR independent Republics?
     
    Statements are not treaties. Putin can argue that things have changed – Kiev militarily attacked LPR/DPR so they need the protection.

    So Putin will break his own signed decree on the autonomy of a proposed state but you can trust him on a treaty involving a state he invaded? Is that what you are saying?

    He signed the decree after invading Ukraine. What prevents him from protecting LPR/DPR as autonomous states? Explain that for us.

    Who? Can you name a single journalist charged with “going against Putin“? I asked before and nobody provided a single example. Try again – and no generalities: give us a specific case.

    Maria Ponomarenko
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64647267

    6 years in prison for posting on social media about the war.

    Maybe you don’t understand what the term “governing with people majority support” means. (Hint: that is democracy.)

    Popular support is not a democracy.

    Hitler had popular support for many years. Was that a democracy?

    If you can't remove the leader then you don't have a democracy. You also can't have a democracy if the people aren't allowed to criticize the government. That would be a state where the government has complete power over the people. Not a democracy.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64647267

    Replies: @Beckow

    Ponomarenko was found guilty of spreading “fake news” about war crimes committed by the Russian army (from BBC)

    I disagree with it, I am against controls on speech. But she was not charged with “going against Putin“, the case was not about Putin. You are propagandizing.

    Journalist during war claimed that her army intentionally killed hundreds of civilians in the Mariupol theatre. It wasn’t true and couldn’t be proven in court. The law protects the army from unfounded public accusations and she accused her own army of intentional mass murder without proof. Laws like that exist all over the world, in wars people are touchy.

    Imagine a journalist in France during the war on Serbia reporting that French army intentionally killed few hundred Serbs – it would turn that something else happened and no “intention to kill” could be shown…I suspect in France they would find a way to hold her accountable. Wars bring out the ugly stuff in all countries.

    You made up the part about “going against Putin“. Anyone else? Or were you just blowing steam?

    Hitler had popular support for many years.

    I suspect till the end. Bringing up “Hitler” shows your desperation – it is the Ukie side that is linked and admires the Nazis. Read what the deranged Nazis write here about the “Asiatic” Russians…

    If you can’t remove the leader then you don’t have a democracy…and people aren’t allowed to criticize the government. That would be a state where the government has complete power over the people.

    Russia has held free open elections for 30 years, about as free as most Western versions where media power, who is allowed to compete and money plays similar role. Putin is by far the most popular candidate – the reality that all Western analysts agree with. He has 60-80% approval even in Western managed polls.

    People in Russia criticise the government all the time – on TV and in the media, on the streets, to Putin’s face… There are “videos” everywhere, even your previous “videos” deny what you are claiming now. Your issue is that the majority supports the current government. That is an issue all over the world and in all democracies. Not everyone can win – this is not US-like competition to raise self-esteem…:)

    Putin will break his own signed decree on the autonomy of a proposed state but you can trust him…

    Your nonsense about treaties vs. “decrees” is pathetic. You are trying to deceive or you don’t understand it: a decree is not a treaty…ok? So you are barking up the wrong tree, try something real. How about US-Nato breaking actual treaties at will?

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Beckow

    Yes. The level of anti-patriotic, pro-enemy, pro-terrorist reporting allowed by Russian authorities for the Second Chechen war was insanely high. Infinitely more than ANY western state would ever allow.

    Forgetting about the fact their english-speaking media (France and Germany at least appear to have been partially independent states then) nurtured their plankton locals into supporting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan completely ....... there was no real criticism ( i.e supporting the Taliban or Saddam in power, supporting their militaries actions against Western militaries etc) but in Russia for Chechen war it was total support for the enemy & slander of our military allowed from numerous liberast scum journalists.......in addition to heavy criticism of the peace deals reached ( from the Chechen terrorist side, not Russian nationalist) . Vague criticisms about the Iraq war to make western dickheads feel less guilty is not the same as true criticism.

    I think France with Algerian terrorists and Britain with Northern Ireland terrorists banned their media from even listing or mentioning any of the terrorists names, and were even putting up black silhouette images of their faces as they were banned from showing that also! Gave him a names like "Mr X" even if more a political individual than actual militant.

    Its all about the conductor. Must be the same on this Israel-Palestine thing. Different to the outright lies supporting the ukronazi regime, there does appear to be the mirage of objectivity given.....this must solely be about the conductor ordering the "journalists " to get the oil-rich Arab states on their side

  84. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Ukraine would not have been bombing the Donbass either had Russia either not sponsored a separatist rebellion there starting from 2014 or, alternatively, annexed the Donbass into the Russian Reich back in 2014 (or even in February 2022) just like it did with Crimea. Ukraine wasn't bombing Crimea, after all.

    As a side note, I've concluded that in general it's a good idea to be conciliatory when faced with more powerful rivals. This is a general rule, but of course there are exceptions. Serbia would have been better off being more conciliatory towards Austria-Hungary in 1914 and the pre-WWI years. Poland would have been better off being more conciliatory towards Nazi Germany in 1939, as both Czechia and pre-1944 Hungary can attest to. Russia would have been better off consenting to NATO's expansion into both Ukraine and Georgia back in 2008, however unfair Russia might have deemed it, and avoiding the current 2022-2023 clusterfuck later on. France would have been better off withdrawing from Algeria in 1954 than in 1962, if actually politically feasible (unfortunately, it wasn't). It would have been the same outcome at worst but with much fewer lives lost. At best, maybe the pieds-noirs could have actually been allowed to stay in Algeria without so much Muslim Algerian anger at having so much of their own blood spilled by the French.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail, @Gerard1234

    Russia would have been better off consenting to NATO’s expansion into both Ukraine and Georgia back in 2008, however unfair Russia might have deemed it,

    1. Poland were Nazi Germany’s best allies you retarded dumbfuck. 2 gangsters in alliance, then went against eachother not because of “lack of conciliatory action”…….but because Polish retards were even more greedy for power and land/conquest than the Germans.

    2. Comparing Poland giving access to Danzig for the Nazis, or the USSR perfectly reasonable demand to the Baltic freaks &Finland………with NATO expansion into Ukraine and Gruzia, is stupid beyond what was thought possible for the human brain.
    NATO expansion into Romania & Hungary, Croatia and Slovenia at least has calming effects on territorial disputes. NATO expansion into 404 or Gruzia has zero practical benefits to anyone you idiot. A NATO controlled Black Sea ( access to the sea that Banderastan or Gruzia would never have had if not for Russia fighting for it, and then donating it to them) is completely unnecessary ( Russia doesn’t control Bosphorus Strait, of course) and unfeasible….unless a retard like you thinks its “conciliatory ” and not ridiculous to ask Russia to abolish our own navy.

    Plus like the dumbshit you are, you fail to recognise that it is Russia via USSR that was the one being reasonable and conciliatory – removing our troops from ex USSR, extortion with Sevastopol base lease , debt eliminated etc. 404 with American backing was able to con itself into getting Crimea . You compare the ridiculous situation where American scum have about a 100 year lease on land in an enemy country (Guantanamo Bay), but Russia have extortionate lease on our own Naval base in Sevastopol

    3. We were fighting against terrorism in the North Caucasus , how would it have been feasible for us to allow Gruzia to go into NATO then, when its border was freely the escape and re-entry point for most of the terrorist during the second Chechen war you deranged prick?

    4.

    Serbia would have been better off being more conciliatory towards Austria-Hungary in 1914 and the pre-WWI years

    Errr….Serbia , a great country and people, were the victims in WW1 you stupid idiot and cannot be blamed. Serbia became the centre of a Yugoslavian state not too long after………and the reaction of the other world powers, and the fact that no Austria-Hungary Empire exists on the map now, should indicate everything you moron on who should have been reconciliatory to who.
    Compare them to Polish scum who lost their state for 200 years, LOL.

    5.

    Ukraine would not have been bombing the Donbass either had Russia either not sponsored a separatist rebellion there starting from 2014 or, alternatively, annexed the Donbass

    The Heroes of Donbass are not the lazy, parasitic, hopeless scum that is the standard part of the ukronazi mindset you pathetic projecting dipshit. The Donbass is the most populated and important economic region of 404. These great and proud people who didn’t need coercion, money , extra weapons or another country into making them resist the freakshow dictatorship imposed on them. Even then their demands were very mild you scumbag. If you knew or had talked to any people from the Donbass from 2013-22 (which of course you haven’t) you would know that a LACK of Russia “sponsoring” them has been a frustration for them.

    They are the complete opposite of ukronazis who have no mind or willing of their own and rely completely on coercion, money and foreign country to dictate them into doing anything. Naturally , there is nothing more “Ukrainian” then wanting to destroy and eliminate the most important and most intensely populated with “Ukrainians” part of the country.
    The only rebellions foreign sponsored are those like the Maidan and 2004

    Its as lazy and dumb as saying Abkhazia and South Ossetiya are Russian projects to say Donbass is you ignorant clown.

  85. @AP
    @Beckow


    and the 1,000 jailed in Washington for Jan 6.
     
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/samuel-lazar-jan-6-riotetr-cooperation-government-rcna131333

    More than 1,200 people have been charged in connection with the Jan. 6 attack, and more than 450 have been sentenced to periods of incarceration

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    More than 1,200 people have been charged in connection with the Jan. 6 attack

    A huge number. Embarrassing for a “democracy” you idiot.

    more than 450 have been sentenced to periods of incarceration

    Again, a huge number. Not clear at all that far from all of the cases have completed the court process. Number is more than 450 anyway. Plus practically all of the 1200 were jailed for some period ( at least a few days) as part of the pre-trial proceedings or investigation stage.
    I would guess that all those who aren’t in the huge number who have been sent to jail, but are on probation ….would immediately get sent to jail if they did say Trump had the election stolen , or there were provocateurs paid by the Democrats in the building etc.

    Also……….2 years for dressing up in an amusing costume ( shaman) and 4 to 5 years for placing foot on the table of a Pindostan politician. LMAO.

    Also, even though our own prison population is larger than we would like, American prison population is on another scale – extremely embarrassing and pathetic.

  86. @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    Yes, but I don’t think that Romania is the ultimate destination. Once in Romania, then what?
     
    Then they can go anywhere. A friend was recently on vacation in Portugal, he saw Ukrainians even there. Mostly women refugees, but a few draft-age males.

    To be clear, most are not trying to avoid the draft. There is this weird idea that Ukrainians either volunteer to go to the front, or are willing to evade the draft. So if the number of volunteers has been exhausted there will be no soldiers because everyone else wants to dodge the draft. This assumes there are no people in-between. People who won’t sign up to fight but instead will live their lives but will join if called.

    But even if only 30% of potential draftees try to avoid, that is still a lot of people in a nation of 30+ million before the war.

    Replies: @Beckow

    You actually described it correctly, but you left out the key fact that Ukie males are barred from leaving Ukraine – they have to bribe someone to leave. There are also the “VIP” exemptions: male relatives of the elite avoiding service. If the war is as existential as they claim why don’t they put their own lives on the line?

    Numbers vary over time – in Central Europe Ukie women are a huge majority, 80-90%. Men are kept back, not everyone has $10k and wants to pay it, or is in the oligarchic elite. It is clear that by now large numbers of conscripted men don’t want to fight.

    This is a slow downward spiral – the quality of draftees is going down, the ones who left will not be returned (impossible), women are not good fighters (too many needs)…the numbers are just not there.

    Tymoshenko (remember her?) just proposed that police and security personnel be sent to the front. She questioned why these well-trained men have been kept back…She may not understand the role that “police” plays in keeping the people cowed and quiet. Or she does and is signaling that she knows the gig is up…

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    You actually described it correctly, but you left out the key fact that Ukie males are barred from leaving Ukraine – they have to bribe someone to leave
     
    This is what the $7500 or $8000 pays for in many cases.

    There are also the “VIP” exemptions: male relatives of the elite avoiding service.
     
    There are other exemptions, for example one of my cousins runs the Ukrainian operations of a Western firm and he is permitted to leave for meetings at the main office. He comes back, indeed he was abroad when the war started and rushed back to Ukraine.

    If the war is as existential as they claim why don’t they put their own lives on the line
     
    If they were really prominent they would have to serve under fake names because they would make their units into special targets. Supposedly Poroshenko’s oldest son fought during the ATO under a fake name. He is now a lawmaker. Poroshenko’s younger son is below draft age. Yatseniuk only has daughters.

    BTW any of Russian elites fighting? You claim this war was vitally necessary for Russia, that it would be an existential threat if Ukraine joined NATO.

    For Ukraine, the war is not at the phase where full mobilisation of all men to the front is necessary; the Russians are being held back with the military Ukraine currently has. Ukraine still needs workers to run its businesses and farms.

    This is a slow downward spiral – the quality of draftees is going down
     
    This is generally true and also true of Russia, which has squandered many of its elite forces and replaced them with mobiks. The attrition of earlier forces is somewhat compensated with battle experience of new ones.

    Replies: @LatW, @Gerard1234

  87. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    The US presence in Afghanistan ended in failure as exhibited in how Biden said the propped American Afghan could fight on its own.

    Biden knew that the Afghan state would collapse. It was already predicted by military and political analysts. Biden was lying when he said they had a chance at fighting on their own.

    That would still not mean that the US was kicked out of Afghanistan by the Taliban with AK-47s as the previous poster implied.

    Have a look at US fatalities for the final years:

    2019 1 0 2 3 1 3 3 3 2 0 2 1 23
    2020 4 3 0 0 1 0 2 0 0 0 1 0 11
    2021 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13 – – – – 13

    13 total for 2021 which is lower than peacetime. It's a myth that Afghanistan was another Vietnam.

    The main problem was the cost. They are a landlocked country in the mountains which makes maintaining a military base expensive.

    You’re like a neocon minus your bigoted outbursts concerning blacks.

    You clearly don't know what that word means. The neocons supported "democracy building" in Afghanistan which meant trying to duplicate the US system. I have never supported that position. The neocons also believed in lying to the public about race and religion. I also don't support those positions. Strauss was a dark philosopher who believed the public needs to be told "noble lies" as Plato proposed. I am completely against that philosophy and it simply doesn't work in the age of the internet. Strauss promoted that philosophy in a time when harsh realities like racial differences could be kept from the public. Neocons never had a plan for the internet just like liberals. Their ideology is based on the assumption that intellectuals in the colleges can keep the public on what is basically a state religion. Strauss in fact argued that managers of the state need to pick a religion for the public and then unify around it. Nothing I have written at Unz suggests I support a state that knowingly lies to the people. I have in fact written about the destructive side of egalitarian lies. I turned heavily anti-leftist after being shown what happens in the schools. There is a concerted effort to not only lie but cheat in favor of race denial. It ends up working against the very kids that liberals are trying to protect.

    The neocon movement in DC is mostly dead. Its leaders are rarely interviewed by anyone and their organization collapsed before Trump took office. The term is incorrectly used here by posters that mean American globalist or Jew.

    Replies: @Mikel

    That would still not mean that the US was kicked out of Afghanistan by the Taliban with AK-47s as the previous poster implied.

    But it was, for all intents and purposes.

    20 years after the US invaded Afghanistan to remove the Taliban from power, the Taliban controlled more than half of the country and no US soldier would set foot in those parts, except for maybe a hit and run operation. It wasn’t another Vietnam because the US (rationally enough) wasn’t willing to sustain that sort of casualties.

    If you took part in that adventure the reality is that your superiors decided that too many of you would die trying to defeat the AK-47 wielding and sandal-wearing Taliban. In fact, far too many Americans died for nothing. The end result (return of the Taliban to power) could have been achieved with many less casualties and much less waste of money for America.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikel


    20 years after the US invaded Afghanistan to remove the Taliban from power,
     
    That was never really the goal.

    GW ordered the 2001 entry into Afghanistan primarily to look for Osama bin Laden and his close ISIS cohorts. While he bleated about the Taliban, there was never a strategy to fully displace them.

    The definable ISIS tasks were effectively completed by 2011-2012. Obama should have removed the American presence then. Alas, the DNC was already succeeding the GOP as the definitive War Party. Obama ordered the particularly pointless Surge.

    Trump realized the deployment had no mission, but he was not a "God Emperor" with unlimited authority. He had to work with establishment droogs Mitch McConnell foisted on his administration. Even with that impediment, the fight was effectively parked. Trump's team was hammering out the details of an orderly withdrawal before the stolen election in 2020.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikel


    The end result (return of the Taliban to power) could have been achieved with many less casualties and much less waste of money for America.
     
    Yeah, probably, and Afghans could have begun emigrating en masse much earlier to continue getting their taste of freedom.
    , @John Johnson
    @Mikel


    That would still not mean that the US was kicked out of Afghanistan by the Taliban with AK-47s as the previous poster implied.
     
    But it was, for all intents and purposes.

    How did the US lose to AK-47s when they lost more soldiers to car accidents in Florida?

    You watch too many movies. The Taliban rarely engaged US soldiers with AK-47s after they were pushed to the edges.

    20 years after the US invaded Afghanistan to remove the Taliban from power, the Taliban controlled more than half of the country and no US soldier would set foot in those parts, except for maybe a hit and run operation.

    The Taliban lost most of their territory in a year after the invasion:
    https://i0.wp.com/www.thefuldagap.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/War_in_Afganistan_1992%E2%80%932001.png?resize=768%2C623&ssl=1

    The US could have maintained all of that territory and with peacetime level casualties. The problem was the cost. It wasn't analogous to the Soviet invasion as many falsely assume. The US was quite good at tracking down Taliban and sending F16s to kill them. Well jet fuel is expensive and so is maintaining a modern military base in the desert. The Soviets also used the mountain roads to bring in their supplies. Well the Taliban of course would attack them. The US wouldn't give them such juicy targets.

    US military losses in Afghanistan were minimal. Most casualties by the Taliban were civilian and by IEDs. They would send in a suicide bomber to a checkpoint and hit the button. The Taliban would lose in small arms engagements. They used hit and run tactics since the US would outrange them.

    If you took part in that adventure the reality is that your superiors decided that too many of you would die trying to defeat the AK-47 wielding and sandal-wearing Taliban.

    I did not serve in Afghanistan and I would not have supported naive "democracy building" plans by both parties. The Taliban rarely killed Americans with small arms. You are mixing up Afghanistan with Iraq. Taliban small arms didn't work very well once they were pushed out to the caves. The US could see them coming from miles away with satellites. That is why they would wear civilian clothes and use terrorist tactics. There were less than 50 US service fatalities in the last three years. That's incredibly low for an occupation with a hostile enemy. More sailors die in alcohol related car accidents.

    The problem was really the price of fuel. Not just jet fuel but all the gas that had to be flown in to run air conditioners and humvees. Afghanistan was a red line investment. It wasn't some battle royale as seen on TV. I didn't support Biden's embarrassing exit but we couldn't subsidize the place for decades.

    Replies: @Mikel

  88. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    There had to be a separatist movement in Donbas for Russia to sponsor it. It started after the illegal overthrow – Maidan revolution – of an elected President. Maidan was openly sponsored by EU and US, why can they sponsor and Russia can’t?

     

    Sure, Russia can sponsor it, but then it shouldn't complain about the deaths. Maidan itself was virtually bloodless, IIRC.

    Using “Reich” on Russia is in bad taste – for a guy who says we should be more conciliatory that sounds awkward.

     

    By "Reich", I mean ethnic homeland in general. So, any ethnic nation-state can be a Reich. As I suppose a non-ethnic nation-state, such as India, which is now becoming more and more of a Hindu nation-state.

    "Reich" is not meant to be offensive. Rather, it's simply meant to describe the feeling of belonging to a national community with its own nation-state. Sometimes Reichs seek to expand in order to include more of their national kinsmen within its borders.


    I agree about the benefits of conciliation. In most of the cases you listed that was true. But why not add post-Maidan Kiev? They would be much better off if they were reasonable and conciliatory. They probably now regret their own militancy in 2014-22.

     

    Sure, if Russia could provide 100% ironclad legal guarantees that Ukraine would be allowed EU membership and the EU would actually provide a real pathway to this before the war, then this might be viable. Assuming, of course, that Russia won't subsequently use its Donbass proxies to do things such as stall anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine in order to make EU membership unachievable in practice for Ukraine even if a membership perspective to Ukraine is already technically offered by the EU.

    I think that it is highly regretful that the EU waited until after Ukraine got invaded by Russia to offer a membership perspective to it. This should have been done back in 2014, IMHO. At least could have encouraged more aggressive anti-corruption efforts in Ukraine, maybe. Ukrainians would have had a clearer picture of the end-goal earlier.

    I have no problem with a South Tyrol-style arrangement for the Donbass and never did.


    That will only be true if they lose the war and Nato expands to Ukraine-Georgia. If they win and prevent it, it will be a huge win. The problem is that Russia sees Nato in Ukraine as an existential issue – they made it clear they would fight (“red line”). It is different than the other examples you listed where I agree with you.

     

    Even if Russia prevents NATO in Ukraine, it will still have a very well-armed and hostile Ukraine right next door. A very partial victory at best, and at an extremely high cost. Not worth it. Akin to the Central Powers winning WWI after a long war. Sure, Serbia would no longer be pro-Russian and Russian military power would be effectively destroyed, possibly for a while, but the cost for the CPs would nevertheless be absolutely enormous.

    Russia can view Ukraine in NATO as an existential issue. That's its own prerogative. Whether it's wise to do so is, of course, a separate question. And FWIW, while I do think that pushing for the removal of Soviet nuclear missiles in Cuba was a good move on the part of the US, I'm unsure that a quarantine/blockade of Cuba was the best way to achieve this goal. Much, much better than a full-on US invasion of Cuba, but still an extremely serious risk of nuclear war. Maybe putting much more US missiles in Turkey and Italy and not doing a quarantine/blockade on Cuba would have been better, and then offering to withdraw all US missiles in Turkey and Italy in exchange for a withdrawal of all Soviet missiles from Cuba? I don't think that Soviet nuclear missiles in Cuba were worth a nuclear war by any means, even if the US would have still won a nuclear war back then, albeit at an extraordinarily massive cost.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow

    …Sure, Russia can sponsor it, but then it shouldn’t complain about the deaths.

    Why? They are there to protect the Russian people from being killed why shouldn’t they? That’s all the West and Ukies do. People today like to play the victim…:)

    “Reich” is not meant to be offensive

    It is offensive in CE: the game of replacing “government” with “regime”, etc…why do it?

    if Russia could provide 100% ironclad legal guarantees that Ukraine would be allowed EU membership and the EU would actually provide a real pathway to this before the war

    EU has no intention to allow in Ukraine. It would destroy it like accepting Turkey – officially “invited” candidate since 1960, or Algeria-Tunis – proposed by France in the 2010’s. The numbers can’t work. The subsidies would be astronomically high and Europe is now quite poor.

    Russia doesn’t have to provide any guarantees – it is not their role. They only said that if Kiev goes to EU they can’t simultaneously free trade with Russia. It can’t be done – like trying to turn a menage-a-trois into a marriage…:)

    Even if Russia prevents NATO in Ukraine, it will still have a very well-armed and hostile Ukraine right next door. A very partial victory at best, and at an extremely high cost.

    If they do, they win. Period. Evaluating the cost is up to them. It is also obvious that if Russia wins there will not be a well-armed Ukraine on their border. When you lose a big war you don’t come out well-armed and ready to fight again. Whether they are “hostile” is up to each individual: some will be, others won’t, with most we will not be able to tell.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    EU has no intention to allow in Ukraine. It would destroy it like accepting Turkey – officially “invited” candidate since 1960
     
    A ridiculous comparison.

    Turkey has over 85 million people. Ukraine only has 30 or so million.

    Turkey is Muslim and has a large population of fecund Kurds who do things like honor killing. Ukrainians are Christians and Slavs.

    No one really wants Turkey in. Several EU members very much want Ukraine to be a member.

    Ukraine is much closer to core EU territory than is Turkey.

    Ukraine’s path would not be easy, it would be a bit like Romania+Bulgaria back in the 90s, but not impossible and no comparison to Turkey.

    It is also obvious that if Russia wins there will not be a well-armed Ukraine on their border
     
    So if a peace deal is reached (even at current lines of control) and Ukraine remains armed to the teeth as it is now - you will consider it a Russian loss?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

  89. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    That would still not mean that the US was kicked out of Afghanistan by the Taliban with AK-47s as the previous poster implied.
     
    But it was, for all intents and purposes.

    20 years after the US invaded Afghanistan to remove the Taliban from power, the Taliban controlled more than half of the country and no US soldier would set foot in those parts, except for maybe a hit and run operation. It wasn't another Vietnam because the US (rationally enough) wasn't willing to sustain that sort of casualties.

    If you took part in that adventure the reality is that your superiors decided that too many of you would die trying to defeat the AK-47 wielding and sandal-wearing Taliban. In fact, far too many Americans died for nothing. The end result (return of the Taliban to power) could have been achieved with many less casualties and much less waste of money for America.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson

    20 years after the US invaded Afghanistan to remove the Taliban from power,

    That was never really the goal.

    GW ordered the 2001 entry into Afghanistan primarily to look for Osama bin Laden and his close ISIS cohorts. While he bleated about the Taliban, there was never a strategy to fully displace them.

    The definable ISIS tasks were effectively completed by 2011-2012. Obama should have removed the American presence then. Alas, the DNC was already succeeding the GOP as the definitive War Party. Obama ordered the particularly pointless Surge.

    Trump realized the deployment had no mission, but he was not a “God Emperor” with unlimited authority. He had to work with establishment droogs Mitch McConnell foisted on his administration. Even with that impediment, the fight was effectively parked. Trump’s team was hammering out the details of an orderly withdrawal before the stolen election in 2020.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @A123

    Wrong. Just like Obama, Trump was duped by the generals into further US involvement. Far from the withdrawal promises of his campaign, Mad Dog Matis convinced him to send an additional 3,000 troops. It wasn't Trump who ended the pointless and costly intervention. It was in fact interventionist Biden who had enough of it and put an end to the misadventure, confronting all the people that Trump had been unable to resist. Under Trump several dozen more Americans died for nothing in that hellhole.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Barbarossa, @LondonBob

  90. @A123
    @Mikel


    20 years after the US invaded Afghanistan to remove the Taliban from power,
     
    That was never really the goal.

    GW ordered the 2001 entry into Afghanistan primarily to look for Osama bin Laden and his close ISIS cohorts. While he bleated about the Taliban, there was never a strategy to fully displace them.

    The definable ISIS tasks were effectively completed by 2011-2012. Obama should have removed the American presence then. Alas, the DNC was already succeeding the GOP as the definitive War Party. Obama ordered the particularly pointless Surge.

    Trump realized the deployment had no mission, but he was not a "God Emperor" with unlimited authority. He had to work with establishment droogs Mitch McConnell foisted on his administration. Even with that impediment, the fight was effectively parked. Trump's team was hammering out the details of an orderly withdrawal before the stolen election in 2020.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mikel

    Wrong. Just like Obama, Trump was duped by the generals into further US involvement. Far from the withdrawal promises of his campaign, Mad Dog Matis convinced him to send an additional 3,000 troops. It wasn’t Trump who ended the pointless and costly intervention. It was in fact interventionist Biden who had enough of it and put an end to the misadventure, confronting all the people that Trump had been unable to resist. Under Trump several dozen more Americans died for nothing in that hellhole.

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mikel

    Trump had to pick his battles. The Afghanistan mess was ridiculous and terrible but not too important in my opinion.

    The FUBAR USA withdrawal from Afghanistan was the least bad thing about the whole stupid fiasco.

    I have forgotten the officially sanctioned reason the USA/West went in to Afghanistan, so here is my list of options.

    1) Annoy and pressure Russia and Iran.

    2) Part of the PNAC.

    3) Lucrative heroin and human trafficking.

    4) Or was it something about capturing Saudis who were patsies in a false-flag operation which was soaked in lies from top to bottom? Did anyone notice the Saudis have their own country which is not Afghanistan or Iraq?

    5) Make Israeli power brokers happy for unidentified reasons? This might just be 1,2,3,4 added together....

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    , @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    And for what it's worth, minerals were always a big draw in Afghanistan. The Bush, Obama, and Trump admins tried to get international mining concerns to set up shop in Afghanistan but the lack infrastructure and territorial instability made it a non-starter. Trump definitely had interest in staying in Afghanistan and the best that can be said was that he waffled on it.

    Afghanistan has perhaps the world's largest supply of Lithium Carbonate which is the primary raw material of Lithium Ion batteries, plus a bunch of other worthwhile minerals. I read a mining trade journal article in 2019 or so that was very interesting on that score. A lot of articles came out after the US departure with the same points though.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @LondonBob
    @Mikel

    Biden regime withdrew from Afghanistan to focus on the Ukraine.

  91. Remember (my comment #26) the NYT piece that Ukraine does not need all its territory:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/27/opinion/ukraine-military-aid.html

    Boris Rozhin (calls himself colonelcassad on the web, even though he is not a colonel) loves to troll Ukies. Here is his latest trolling in response to this piece.

    Stages in Western MSM:
    1. Ukraine has already won.
    2. Ukraine is winning.
    3. Ukraine will win.
    4. Ukraine can win.
    5. Maybe Ukraine will be able to win.
    6. Ukraine will defeat Putin’s troops on some territories.
    7. Ukraine will win in defense.
    8. Ukraine needs its territory to beat Putin.
    9. Ukraine does not need all its territory to beat Putin.
    (YOU ARE HERE)
    10. Ukraine does not need all that much territory to beat Putin.
    11. Ukraine does not need territory.
    12. Ukraine is not needed.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  92. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Sure, Russia can sponsor it, but then it shouldn’t complain about the deaths.
     
    Why? They are there to protect the Russian people from being killed why shouldn't they? That's all the West and Ukies do. People today like to play the victim...:)

    “Reich” is not meant to be offensive
     
    It is offensive in CE: the game of replacing "government" with "regime", etc...why do it?

    if Russia could provide 100% ironclad legal guarantees that Ukraine would be allowed EU membership and the EU would actually provide a real pathway to this before the war
     
    EU has no intention to allow in Ukraine. It would destroy it like accepting Turkey - officially "invited" candidate since 1960, or Algeria-Tunis - proposed by France in the 2010's. The numbers can't work. The subsidies would be astronomically high and Europe is now quite poor.

    Russia doesn't have to provide any guarantees - it is not their role. They only said that if Kiev goes to EU they can't simultaneously free trade with Russia. It can't be done - like trying to turn a menage-a-trois into a marriage...:)


    Even if Russia prevents NATO in Ukraine, it will still have a very well-armed and hostile Ukraine right next door. A very partial victory at best, and at an extremely high cost.
     
    If they do, they win. Period. Evaluating the cost is up to them. It is also obvious that if Russia wins there will not be a well-armed Ukraine on their border. When you lose a big war you don't come out well-armed and ready to fight again. Whether they are "hostile" is up to each individual: some will be, others won't, with most we will not be able to tell.

    Replies: @AP

    EU has no intention to allow in Ukraine. It would destroy it like accepting Turkey – officially “invited” candidate since 1960

    A ridiculous comparison.

    Turkey has over 85 million people. Ukraine only has 30 or so million.

    Turkey is Muslim and has a large population of fecund Kurds who do things like honor killing. Ukrainians are Christians and Slavs.

    No one really wants Turkey in. Several EU members very much want Ukraine to be a member.

    Ukraine is much closer to core EU territory than is Turkey.

    Ukraine’s path would not be easy, it would be a bit like Romania+Bulgaria back in the 90s, but not impossible and no comparison to Turkey.

    It is also obvious that if Russia wins there will not be a well-armed Ukraine on their border

    So if a peace deal is reached (even at current lines of control) and Ukraine remains armed to the teeth as it is now – you will consider it a Russian loss?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    The win-loss mostly depends on how NATO and the West position themselves with respect to Russia in terms of long-term peaceful coexistence. After the SMO there may be some political turnover in the West which will reduce anti-Russia sentiment. Will it be enough?

    If not, we can expect resumption of nuclear testing, possibly even with space or above ground tests. Russian advances in nuclear weapons will either lead to Western diplomacy or very aggressive Western developments. The people running Western governments are much stupider and more impractical than when the Cold War ended in 1990 so it is not a bright future. Considering the West may become somewhat of a rabid dog after not having their way in Ukraine, we may see economic warfare to bring down the dollar. Not the ongoing gradual wind down, but a controlled demolition. It may be reminiscent of what happened to the USSR, except that nowadays many Americans are not able to take care of themselves with even minor disruptions.

    On the other hand, if NATO gets wise and decides to back away from the aggressive anti-Russia stance things may work out fine.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    I thought that the Turkish Kurds are socialists? Don't socialists frown on things like honor killings due to their inherent misogyny? Or are Muslim socialists an exception to the rule in regards to this?

    Turkey is fairly secular for a Muslim country, along with Kazakhstan:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/map-death-for-apostasy/

    But there's still a large religious undercurrent in Turkey (look at Erdogan's success--though ironically he is better for Syrian refugees than the more liberal and Western-oriented Turkish opposition is!) even if most religious Turks thankfully don't support hardcore crazy shit like killing people for apostasy.

    Turkey has relatively high human capital by global standards, comparable to Greece, and thus could be a nice addition to the EU, but it also has severe problems with authoritarianism, corruption, and killings of journalists. Ukraine has some of these problems too, but to a lesser extent.

    Ultimately whether Ukraine will ultimately end up joining the EU will depend on just how reformed and wealthy it will become in the meantime and on just how much Ukraine would be willing to shed its Soviet legacy. As a result of the current war, Ukrainians appear to be more willing to do the last part, or at least the Ukrainian people are. It's a very sad spectacle when the alt-right points out that the Russo-Ukrainian War is essentially a war between the two most corrupt countries in the white Christian world. Ukraine is still better, of course, but it shows just how much the Soviet legacy still corrupts Ukraine.

    Ukraine's human capital is a factor in favor of having Ukraine join the EU, and as you said, it is more culturally compatible than Turkey's human capital is.

    Really, the raison d'etre of Ukrainian independence was and still is eventual Ukrainian EU membership. Take that way, and there was no point in Ukraine voting to secede from the USSR back in 1991. Way too much suffering and not worth it at all unless it is accompanied by eventual EU membership.

    , @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Ukraine only has 30 or so million.
     
    You have a point there. Ukraine started with 50 million in 1991 - that 'independence' has really worked out well for them. I suppose if they are down to 10-15 million EU could absorb most of them. But EU won't, you don't understand the EU dynamic, how it works.

    if a peace deal is reached (even at current lines of control) and Ukraine remains armed to the teeth as it is now – you will consider it a Russian loss?
     
    No, just a smaller win. Russia has already won: they will keep the territories and there will not be Nato in Ukraine. The maximalist objectives can be reached or not - like the level of demilitarization or who rules in Kiev. If they are reached it will be a massive win for Russia and a catastrophic defeat for Kiev. But smaller win is also a win. You are playing games with semantics - by your definition of war victory as being only if all maximal goals are reached there would be very few "victories".

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

  93. @Beckow
    @AP

    You actually described it correctly, but you left out the key fact that Ukie males are barred from leaving Ukraine - they have to bribe someone to leave. There are also the "VIP" exemptions: male relatives of the elite avoiding service. If the war is as existential as they claim why don't they put their own lives on the line?

    Numbers vary over time - in Central Europe Ukie women are a huge majority, 80-90%. Men are kept back, not everyone has $10k and wants to pay it, or is in the oligarchic elite. It is clear that by now large numbers of conscripted men don't want to fight.

    This is a slow downward spiral - the quality of draftees is going down, the ones who left will not be returned (impossible), women are not good fighters (too many needs)...the numbers are just not there.

    Tymoshenko (remember her?) just proposed that police and security personnel be sent to the front. She questioned why these well-trained men have been kept back...She may not understand the role that "police" plays in keeping the people cowed and quiet. Or she does and is signaling that she knows the gig is up...

    Replies: @AP

    You actually described it correctly, but you left out the key fact that Ukie males are barred from leaving Ukraine – they have to bribe someone to leave

    This is what the $7500 or $8000 pays for in many cases.

    There are also the “VIP” exemptions: male relatives of the elite avoiding service.

    There are other exemptions, for example one of my cousins runs the Ukrainian operations of a Western firm and he is permitted to leave for meetings at the main office. He comes back, indeed he was abroad when the war started and rushed back to Ukraine.

    If the war is as existential as they claim why don’t they put their own lives on the line

    If they were really prominent they would have to serve under fake names because they would make their units into special targets. Supposedly Poroshenko’s oldest son fought during the ATO under a fake name. He is now a lawmaker. Poroshenko’s younger son is below draft age. Yatseniuk only has daughters.

    BTW any of Russian elites fighting? You claim this war was vitally necessary for Russia, that it would be an existential threat if Ukraine joined NATO.

    For Ukraine, the war is not at the phase where full mobilisation of all men to the front is necessary; the Russians are being held back with the military Ukraine currently has. Ukraine still needs workers to run its businesses and farms.

    This is a slow downward spiral – the quality of draftees is going down

    This is generally true and also true of Russia, which has squandered many of its elite forces and replaced them with mobiks. The attrition of earlier forces is somewhat compensated with battle experience of new ones.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @AP


    BTW any of Russian elites fighting?
     
    The Russian pop culture "elites" are too busy attending "half naked parties" where they show off $250K worth of diamonds on their rear ends.

    While the pro-war "elites" are busy blaming these types for the sinking of the ships...

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP


    There are other exemptions, for example one of my cousins runs the Ukrainian operations of a Western firm and he is permitted to leave for meetings at the main office. He comes back, indeed he was abroad when the war started and rushed back to Ukraine.
     
    Wow. I suppose its the same thinking of a paedophile wanting to be a School caretaker - the mindset of this dilapidated, fantasist scumtroll and proven liar "AP" to come up with such a ludicrous fake of a story. Which one is the biggest , most amusing lie of this f*cktard AP anyone? The cousin in Bucha? Speaking Russian or Ukrainian? Visiting Russia or Ukaine? The fixation with pretending to be a medic? Why does the internet produce such wakjob POS's? It's a disgrace, I wish the blog had rules against such scumbag fake behaviour........and I suspect zero people on here, including the Baltic freaks believe his claims to be true.

    BTW any of Russian elites fighting? You claim this war was vitally necessary for Russia, that it would be an existential threat if Ukraine joined NATO.
     
    Peskov's son, Aksenov's son (Crimea head). Several GosDuma MP's mobilised (including World Champion boxer Valuev, Gosduma MP whilst the homo Klitschko junior is nowhere near the battlefield), Kadyrov involved. Rogozin got significantly injured carrying out work there you deranged retard. Practically all the Russian governors have visited the Donbass since 2022. Even the liberal potential 5th columnist Shuvalov's son did serve in the VMF Spetsnaz a few years ago is something I mention in comparison to the lowlifes in charge of 404. Vice-governor of one of, maybe our richest region had one of her sons killed in the SMO you scumbag.

    Now compare that 404 , where absolutely mass numbers of ukrops have been annihilated and not ONE of these elites has a son serving in the military. Not one death or injury.

    But its a fake comparison, because anyone if free to leave and re-enter Russia. Khokholstan prison is not in that situation. One side is being annihilated........the other is not.

    Unlike the running like cowards ukrop elite, Russian political elites have nothing to prove in comparison you useless fu*kwit because during the frequent hostage taking incidents in the 1990'/2000 several Russian politicians showed selfless courage in directly going into the places people were held and negotiating with the terrorists, often even offering themselves in exchange for woman or child hostage. Senators, regional government ministers, Kobson, Petrenko etc. There is Chechen war veterans in their too.

    Russian High ranking military officials serve at or near the frontline with immense bravery and courage. Ukronazi failure officer-class are of course sitting in Germany or Lvov, recycling orders from their US,UK,German masters sending astronomical amounts of central and Eastern Ukrainians to die like lemmings

    also true of Russia, which has squandered many of its elite forces and replaced them with mobiks.
     
    A laughably idiotic . bimbo lie. Only a fraction of these forces have suffered you inept scumbag.

    For Ukraine, the war is not at the phase where full mobilisation of all men to the front is necessary; the Russians are being held back with the military Ukraine currently has. Ukraine still needs workers to run its businesses and farms.

     

    ROFLMAO !!!One of the most bimbo things you have ever written. On so many levels. Its clear your not even understanding of what full mobilisation is when you write this paragraph of nonsense. More instantaneous BS.

    Supposedly Poroshenko’s oldest son fought during the ATO under a fake name.

     

    Which is of course nonsense. You have though managed to upgrade the number of ukrop politicians you know from 1 to 3 during the week, judging from your ineptitude shown in the list I gave on very high number of Russians and non-ukrops in charge of 404.

    Replies: @Jazman

  94. @AP
    @Beckow


    You actually described it correctly, but you left out the key fact that Ukie males are barred from leaving Ukraine – they have to bribe someone to leave
     
    This is what the $7500 or $8000 pays for in many cases.

    There are also the “VIP” exemptions: male relatives of the elite avoiding service.
     
    There are other exemptions, for example one of my cousins runs the Ukrainian operations of a Western firm and he is permitted to leave for meetings at the main office. He comes back, indeed he was abroad when the war started and rushed back to Ukraine.

    If the war is as existential as they claim why don’t they put their own lives on the line
     
    If they were really prominent they would have to serve under fake names because they would make their units into special targets. Supposedly Poroshenko’s oldest son fought during the ATO under a fake name. He is now a lawmaker. Poroshenko’s younger son is below draft age. Yatseniuk only has daughters.

    BTW any of Russian elites fighting? You claim this war was vitally necessary for Russia, that it would be an existential threat if Ukraine joined NATO.

    For Ukraine, the war is not at the phase where full mobilisation of all men to the front is necessary; the Russians are being held back with the military Ukraine currently has. Ukraine still needs workers to run its businesses and farms.

    This is a slow downward spiral – the quality of draftees is going down
     
    This is generally true and also true of Russia, which has squandered many of its elite forces and replaced them with mobiks. The attrition of earlier forces is somewhat compensated with battle experience of new ones.

    Replies: @LatW, @Gerard1234

    BTW any of Russian elites fighting?

    The Russian pop culture “elites” are too busy attending “half naked parties” where they show off $250K worth of diamonds on their rear ends.

    While the pro-war “elites” are busy blaming these types for the sinking of the ships…

    • LOL: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Also shows just how much Russia's elites actually care about the Russian regime's post-2010 anti-LGBTQ+ push. A party full of almost naked men and women can be viewed as very homoerotic, after all. Certainly a lot of tastiness there for everyone!

  95. The Russian pop culture “elites” are too busy attending “half naked parties” where they show off $250K worth of diamonds on their rear ends.

    Now perhaps this one is over my head, but I’m gonna ask.

    Isn’t this the worst time of year for half naked?

    What is this butt jewelry?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Now perhaps this one is over my head, but I’m gonna ask.
     
    Ehem... ok, I'll post about this. I apologize in advance if some will find this "content" objectionable.

    Isn’t this the worst time of year for half naked?
     
    For these Moscow types who live by the day to show off seasons do not exist - every day is good enough for vanity, no matter what time of the year.

    Anyway, the last several days, there's a huge scandal raging on Russian media - this chick who has 18M followers on Instagram (I don't get how she can still use it, I thought it was banned in Russia), I'm not sure what to exactly call her, "a social lioness", I suspect she is some "high end" madame (who has herself previously had sugar daddies) since she is the editor of the Russian Playboy (they left), decided to throw a party for Russian celebrities called "Half way Naked" (or "Almost naked"). So a bunch of celebrities arrived, of all age groups, in sheer outfits. There was a very high entrance fee.


    What is this butt jewelry?
     
    This chick herself wore an outfit with an ornament on her backside, you can see it in this video below under More starting at about 3:05 (do not get scared by the beginning of the video, those mature crazy people are Kirkorov who is a famous gay singer and some older chick who ran off to Russia from Odessa after the invasion).

    She goes: "Have you ever seen $250K on a butt?" And then turns around to demonstrate it.

    All the Z patriots went crazy. Solovyov blamed them for the ship disasters. In the end, these "artists" and socialites had to make sobby public apologies.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gccpqO_4dZ8

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW, @AP, @Mr. Hack

  96. Just noticed today that there are Masonic license plates, which I find really fascinating.

    Almost feel like if it didn’t serve a purpose, they wouldn’t do it, as it would be too much trouble to agitate schizos on the road.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @songbird


    Just noticed today that there are Masonic license plates,
     
    For example..?

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Masons have always done discreet advertisement. You have to ask a Mason in person if you want to join. You can't google up a membership application. Bumper stickers and window decals have been around longer than I have. I haven't seen a custom license plate yet but there are scads of vanity artwork available in many states.

    People who have it in for Masons on average are not as well armed as Masons. They are good to know if you want to get a deal on a gun or ammo purchase. : )

    Replies: @QCIC, @songbird

  97. @Emil Nikola Richard

    The Russian pop culture “elites” are too busy attending “half naked parties” where they show off $250K worth of diamonds on their rear ends.
     
    Now perhaps this one is over my head, but I'm gonna ask.

    Isn't this the worst time of year for half naked?

    What is this butt jewelry?

    Replies: @LatW

    Now perhaps this one is over my head, but I’m gonna ask.

    Ehem… ok, I’ll post about this. I apologize in advance if some will find this “content” objectionable.

    Isn’t this the worst time of year for half naked?

    For these Moscow types who live by the day to show off seasons do not exist – every day is good enough for vanity, no matter what time of the year.

    Anyway, the last several days, there’s a huge scandal raging on Russian media – this chick who has 18M followers on Instagram (I don’t get how she can still use it, I thought it was banned in Russia), I’m not sure what to exactly call her, “a social lioness”, I suspect she is some “high end” madame (who has herself previously had sugar daddies) since she is the editor of the Russian Playboy (they left), decided to throw a party for Russian celebrities called “Half way Naked” (or “Almost naked”). So a bunch of celebrities arrived, of all age groups, in sheer outfits. There was a very high entrance fee.

    What is this butt jewelry?

    This chick herself wore an outfit with an ornament on her backside, you can see it in this video below under More starting at about 3:05 (do not get scared by the beginning of the video, those mature crazy people are Kirkorov who is a famous gay singer and some older chick who ran off to Russia from Odessa after the invasion).

    She goes: “Have you ever seen $250K on a butt?” And then turns around to demonstrate it.

    All the Z patriots went crazy. Solovyov blamed them for the ship disasters. In the end, these “artists” and socialites had to make sobby public apologies.

    [MORE]

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    OK so Russia has Kardashians. Do the Muscovite Kardashians appreciate the greatness of negro dick?

    The butt pendant is pretty stupid. The best Kardashian story is Kim getting her million dollar diamond taken in an armed robbery inside her Paris hotel penthouse. Inside job and maybe somebody who was getting paid a lot of money to keep tabs was executed for incompetence by French big man. The full details were never published.

    , @LatW
    @LatW

    And, btw, I don't blame this chick who organized this party and has that kind of a lifestyle - she is only 32 and the glorification of this kind of a lifestyle was "taught" to her by the previous generation. This is what is valued by many people in Moscow.

    But what is important about this episode, is that Russia has really changed - these kinds of parties used to be numerous and ignored, but now that the country is at war and is becoming more authoritarian, these "artists" will feel it, too. They cannot live separately from the rest of society and even the likes of Sobchak and Kirkorov are no longer untouchable.


    The butt pendant is pretty stupid.
     
    I think it's quite cute, but if one is compelled to show it off, it's more of a psychological issue for that person.

    There was nothing all that special about this party, just a few excesses - some trannies, and one guy showed up completely naked wearing a sock on his xxx (I don't think this is new, as someone had already done that before).

    And, yes, I know that in one episode of Kardashians Kim dived in the ocean and lost a very expensive earring. That sucks. I once lost a very valuable ring while swimming, it slipped off my finger as the wave crashed on me (not particularly expensive, but a keep sake). It was painful.

    , @AP
    @LatW

    I'm wondering who will be at this year's New Year's show, given that some of the regulars have been cancelled due to this party.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Mr. Hack
    @LatW


    All the Z patriots went crazy. Solovyov blamed them for the ship disasters. In the end, these “artists” and socialites had to make sobby public apologies.
     
    Apologies? You mean that they didn't obtain a license to have their party from the kremlin or from the good Patriarch Kirill?

    Lots of stuff on the internet about "almost naked animals":

    https://youtu.be/rvS8krBp4Ic

    Makes one wonder whether there's any difference between these Russian patriots and animals?...

    Do you think that it would be presumptuous to expect that our local branch of kremlin stooges (Beckow, QCIC, Professor Jannissar, Averko, Geraldina) will host their own similar party to rival the festivities going on in Moscow? New Year's Eve is only two days away? :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234, @LatW

  98. @songbird
    Just noticed today that there are Masonic license plates, which I find really fascinating.

    Almost feel like if it didn't serve a purpose, they wouldn't do it, as it would be too much trouble to agitate schizos on the road.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Just noticed today that there are Masonic license plates,

    For example..?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Another Polish Perspective

    What I mean is my state specifically makes plates for Freemasons. With the square and compass symbol on one side, followed by MM (which I think might mean 'Mark Master') and then what I assume are a few less significant digits.

    Or perhaps it would have the opposite effect and people would drive more carefully around them, not tailgate or honk their horn.

  99. @AP
    @Beckow


    EU has no intention to allow in Ukraine. It would destroy it like accepting Turkey – officially “invited” candidate since 1960
     
    A ridiculous comparison.

    Turkey has over 85 million people. Ukraine only has 30 or so million.

    Turkey is Muslim and has a large population of fecund Kurds who do things like honor killing. Ukrainians are Christians and Slavs.

    No one really wants Turkey in. Several EU members very much want Ukraine to be a member.

    Ukraine is much closer to core EU territory than is Turkey.

    Ukraine’s path would not be easy, it would be a bit like Romania+Bulgaria back in the 90s, but not impossible and no comparison to Turkey.

    It is also obvious that if Russia wins there will not be a well-armed Ukraine on their border
     
    So if a peace deal is reached (even at current lines of control) and Ukraine remains armed to the teeth as it is now - you will consider it a Russian loss?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    The win-loss mostly depends on how NATO and the West position themselves with respect to Russia in terms of long-term peaceful coexistence. After the SMO there may be some political turnover in the West which will reduce anti-Russia sentiment. Will it be enough?

    If not, we can expect resumption of nuclear testing, possibly even with space or above ground tests. Russian advances in nuclear weapons will either lead to Western diplomacy or very aggressive Western developments. The people running Western governments are much stupider and more impractical than when the Cold War ended in 1990 so it is not a bright future. Considering the West may become somewhat of a rabid dog after not having their way in Ukraine, we may see economic warfare to bring down the dollar. Not the ongoing gradual wind down, but a controlled demolition. It may be reminiscent of what happened to the USSR, except that nowadays many Americans are not able to take care of themselves with even minor disruptions.

    On the other hand, if NATO gets wise and decides to back away from the aggressive anti-Russia stance things may work out fine.

  100. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    Ponomarenko was found guilty of spreading "fake news" about war crimes committed by the Russian army (from BBC)
     
    I disagree with it, I am against controls on speech. But she was not charged with "going against Putin", the case was not about Putin. You are propagandizing.

    Journalist during war claimed that her army intentionally killed hundreds of civilians in the Mariupol theatre. It wasn't true and couldn't be proven in court. The law protects the army from unfounded public accusations and she accused her own army of intentional mass murder without proof. Laws like that exist all over the world, in wars people are touchy.

    Imagine a journalist in France during the war on Serbia reporting that French army intentionally killed few hundred Serbs - it would turn that something else happened and no "intention to kill" could be shown...I suspect in France they would find a way to hold her accountable. Wars bring out the ugly stuff in all countries.

    You made up the part about "going against Putin". Anyone else? Or were you just blowing steam?


    Hitler had popular support for many years.
     
    I suspect till the end. Bringing up "Hitler" shows your desperation - it is the Ukie side that is linked and admires the Nazis. Read what the deranged Nazis write here about the "Asiatic" Russians...

    If you can’t remove the leader then you don’t have a democracy...and people aren’t allowed to criticize the government. That would be a state where the government has complete power over the people.
     
    Russia has held free open elections for 30 years, about as free as most Western versions where media power, who is allowed to compete and money plays similar role. Putin is by far the most popular candidate - the reality that all Western analysts agree with. He has 60-80% approval even in Western managed polls.

    People in Russia criticise the government all the time - on TV and in the media, on the streets, to Putin's face... There are "videos" everywhere, even your previous "videos" deny what you are claiming now. Your issue is that the majority supports the current government. That is an issue all over the world and in all democracies. Not everyone can win - this is not US-like competition to raise self-esteem...:)


    Putin will break his own signed decree on the autonomy of a proposed state but you can trust him...
     
    Your nonsense about treaties vs. "decrees" is pathetic. You are trying to deceive or you don't understand it: a decree is not a treaty...ok? So you are barking up the wrong tree, try something real. How about US-Nato breaking actual treaties at will?

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Yes. The level of anti-patriotic, pro-enemy, pro-terrorist reporting allowed by Russian authorities for the Second Chechen war was insanely high. Infinitely more than ANY western state would ever allow.

    Forgetting about the fact their english-speaking media (France and Germany at least appear to have been partially independent states then) nurtured their plankton locals into supporting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan completely ……. there was no real criticism ( i.e supporting the Taliban or Saddam in power, supporting their militaries actions against Western militaries etc) but in Russia for Chechen war it was total support for the enemy & slander of our military allowed from numerous liberast scum journalists…….in addition to heavy criticism of the peace deals reached ( from the Chechen terrorist side, not Russian nationalist) . Vague criticisms about the Iraq war to make western dickheads feel less guilty is not the same as true criticism.

    I think France with Algerian terrorists and Britain with Northern Ireland terrorists banned their media from even listing or mentioning any of the terrorists names, and were even putting up black silhouette images of their faces as they were banned from showing that also! Gave him a names like “Mr X” even if more a political individual than actual militant.

    Its all about the conductor. Must be the same on this Israel-Palestine thing. Different to the outright lies supporting the ukronazi regime, there does appear to be the mirage of objectivity given…..this must solely be about the conductor ordering the “journalists ” to get the oil-rich Arab states on their side

  101. @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Now perhaps this one is over my head, but I’m gonna ask.
     
    Ehem... ok, I'll post about this. I apologize in advance if some will find this "content" objectionable.

    Isn’t this the worst time of year for half naked?
     
    For these Moscow types who live by the day to show off seasons do not exist - every day is good enough for vanity, no matter what time of the year.

    Anyway, the last several days, there's a huge scandal raging on Russian media - this chick who has 18M followers on Instagram (I don't get how she can still use it, I thought it was banned in Russia), I'm not sure what to exactly call her, "a social lioness", I suspect she is some "high end" madame (who has herself previously had sugar daddies) since she is the editor of the Russian Playboy (they left), decided to throw a party for Russian celebrities called "Half way Naked" (or "Almost naked"). So a bunch of celebrities arrived, of all age groups, in sheer outfits. There was a very high entrance fee.


    What is this butt jewelry?
     
    This chick herself wore an outfit with an ornament on her backside, you can see it in this video below under More starting at about 3:05 (do not get scared by the beginning of the video, those mature crazy people are Kirkorov who is a famous gay singer and some older chick who ran off to Russia from Odessa after the invasion).

    She goes: "Have you ever seen $250K on a butt?" And then turns around to demonstrate it.

    All the Z patriots went crazy. Solovyov blamed them for the ship disasters. In the end, these "artists" and socialites had to make sobby public apologies.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gccpqO_4dZ8

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW, @AP, @Mr. Hack

    OK so Russia has Kardashians. Do the Muscovite Kardashians appreciate the greatness of negro dick?

    The butt pendant is pretty stupid. The best Kardashian story is Kim getting her million dollar diamond taken in an armed robbery inside her Paris hotel penthouse. Inside job and maybe somebody who was getting paid a lot of money to keep tabs was executed for incompetence by French big man. The full details were never published.

  102. @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Now perhaps this one is over my head, but I’m gonna ask.
     
    Ehem... ok, I'll post about this. I apologize in advance if some will find this "content" objectionable.

    Isn’t this the worst time of year for half naked?
     
    For these Moscow types who live by the day to show off seasons do not exist - every day is good enough for vanity, no matter what time of the year.

    Anyway, the last several days, there's a huge scandal raging on Russian media - this chick who has 18M followers on Instagram (I don't get how she can still use it, I thought it was banned in Russia), I'm not sure what to exactly call her, "a social lioness", I suspect she is some "high end" madame (who has herself previously had sugar daddies) since she is the editor of the Russian Playboy (they left), decided to throw a party for Russian celebrities called "Half way Naked" (or "Almost naked"). So a bunch of celebrities arrived, of all age groups, in sheer outfits. There was a very high entrance fee.


    What is this butt jewelry?
     
    This chick herself wore an outfit with an ornament on her backside, you can see it in this video below under More starting at about 3:05 (do not get scared by the beginning of the video, those mature crazy people are Kirkorov who is a famous gay singer and some older chick who ran off to Russia from Odessa after the invasion).

    She goes: "Have you ever seen $250K on a butt?" And then turns around to demonstrate it.

    All the Z patriots went crazy. Solovyov blamed them for the ship disasters. In the end, these "artists" and socialites had to make sobby public apologies.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gccpqO_4dZ8

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW, @AP, @Mr. Hack

    And, btw, I don’t blame this chick who organized this party and has that kind of a lifestyle – she is only 32 and the glorification of this kind of a lifestyle was “taught” to her by the previous generation. This is what is valued by many people in Moscow.

    But what is important about this episode, is that Russia has really changed – these kinds of parties used to be numerous and ignored, but now that the country is at war and is becoming more authoritarian, these “artists” will feel it, too. They cannot live separately from the rest of society and even the likes of Sobchak and Kirkorov are no longer untouchable.

    [MORE]

    The butt pendant is pretty stupid.

    I think it’s quite cute, but if one is compelled to show it off, it’s more of a psychological issue for that person.

    There was nothing all that special about this party, just a few excesses – some trannies, and one guy showed up completely naked wearing a sock on his xxx (I don’t think this is new, as someone had already done that before).

    And, yes, I know that in one episode of Kardashians Kim dived in the ocean and lost a very expensive earring. That sucks. I once lost a very valuable ring while swimming, it slipped off my finger as the wave crashed on me (not particularly expensive, but a keep sake). It was painful.

  103. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    What kind of fur coat do they use in Harbin this time of year is what I want to know and wikipedia didn't even give the climate table. According to accuweather it is now 6 degrees F (that is 14 degrees C for you godless Europeans) and the air quality is very unhealthy.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Mr. Hack

    What’s the matter? Doesn’t your Google work?


    Owner of Harbin Fur Factory holding fur coat made from endangered animal skin, Heliongjiang Province,…

    https://www.bridgemanimages.com/en-US/alain-le-garsmeur/owner-of-harbin-fur-factory-holding-fur-coat-made-from-endangered-animal-skin-heliongjiang-province/photograph/asset/3468579

  104. @songbird
    Just noticed today that there are Masonic license plates, which I find really fascinating.

    Almost feel like if it didn't serve a purpose, they wouldn't do it, as it would be too much trouble to agitate schizos on the road.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Masons have always done discreet advertisement. You have to ask a Mason in person if you want to join. You can’t google up a membership application. Bumper stickers and window decals have been around longer than I have. I haven’t seen a custom license plate yet but there are scads of vanity artwork available in many states.

    People who have it in for Masons on average are not as well armed as Masons. They are good to know if you want to get a deal on a gun or ammo purchase. : )

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    For years the Masons advertised for new members on hard-rock/metal radio stations in Boston. I guess they needed to fill out the bottom levels of the pyramid.

    , @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Here's the page:
    https://massfreemasonry.org/community-programs/masonic-license-plate-program-2/

    I guess anyone can get one, and it is some sort of fundraising tool.

  105. @Mikel
    @A123

    Wrong. Just like Obama, Trump was duped by the generals into further US involvement. Far from the withdrawal promises of his campaign, Mad Dog Matis convinced him to send an additional 3,000 troops. It wasn't Trump who ended the pointless and costly intervention. It was in fact interventionist Biden who had enough of it and put an end to the misadventure, confronting all the people that Trump had been unable to resist. Under Trump several dozen more Americans died for nothing in that hellhole.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Barbarossa, @LondonBob

    Trump had to pick his battles. The Afghanistan mess was ridiculous and terrible but not too important in my opinion.

    The FUBAR USA withdrawal from Afghanistan was the least bad thing about the whole stupid fiasco.

    I have forgotten the officially sanctioned reason the USA/West went in to Afghanistan, so here is my list of options.

    1) Annoy and pressure Russia and Iran.

    2) Part of the PNAC.

    3) Lucrative heroin and human trafficking.

    4) Or was it something about capturing Saudis who were patsies in a false-flag operation which was soaked in lies from top to bottom? Did anyone notice the Saudis have their own country which is not Afghanistan or Iraq?

    5) Make Israeli power brokers happy for unidentified reasons? This might just be 1,2,3,4 added together….

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    They went into Afghanistan because a demonstration was required that if the United States is attacked a bunch of people are going to die even if they don't even get close to hitting the actual offenders. Have you heard of the that book Don't Make the Negro Angry?

    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/dont-make-the-black-kids-angry-mr-colin-flaherty/1121279324

    The process was identical to disrespecting some hood gangster and he whips out his pistol and empties his clip at anybody.

    , @A123
    @QCIC


    Trump had to pick his battles. The Afghanistan mess was ridiculous and terrible but not too important in my opinion.
     
    I concur.

    Trump did not repeat Obama's Surge error. He reduced scope of activity to the area around Kabul thus sharply reducing casualties. And, Trump actively pursued an exit strategy.

    I am not sure why Mikel keeps refusing to understand that the establishment, especially Mitch McConnell, inserted people into the administration. Trump did what he could to curb the Afghanistan and Syria mistakes that were active before 2017.

    Insisting on 100% of absolutely everything! Instantly! is unreasonable in a system that has multiple branches. It closes the door to meaningful negotiations and almost always results in walking away with nothing.

    I have forgotten the officially sanctioned reason the USA/West went in to Afghanistan
     
    The primary reason was chasing Osama bin Laden and his ISIS associates. This roughly aligns with the AUMF. Establishing a "democracy" was never a serious goal or viable strategy.

    If you want to allocate some blame to prior Saudi rulers, their current leader MbS would quietly agree. He, like Trump, inherited some fearsome errors from his predecessors and is trying to unwind them.

    PEACE 😇
  106. @Mikel
    @A123

    Wrong. Just like Obama, Trump was duped by the generals into further US involvement. Far from the withdrawal promises of his campaign, Mad Dog Matis convinced him to send an additional 3,000 troops. It wasn't Trump who ended the pointless and costly intervention. It was in fact interventionist Biden who had enough of it and put an end to the misadventure, confronting all the people that Trump had been unable to resist. Under Trump several dozen more Americans died for nothing in that hellhole.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Barbarossa, @LondonBob

    And for what it’s worth, minerals were always a big draw in Afghanistan. The Bush, Obama, and Trump admins tried to get international mining concerns to set up shop in Afghanistan but the lack infrastructure and territorial instability made it a non-starter. Trump definitely had interest in staying in Afghanistan and the best that can be said was that he waffled on it.

    Afghanistan has perhaps the world’s largest supply of Lithium Carbonate which is the primary raw material of Lithium Ion batteries, plus a bunch of other worthwhile minerals. I read a mining trade journal article in 2019 or so that was very interesting on that score. A lot of articles came out after the US departure with the same points though.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Barbarossa

    Makes one wonder whether Tajikistan should support Massoud's rebels in an attempt to secure some of that Afghan gold near Tajikistan's borders, as a part of a deal with Massoud in exchange for huge military assistance from Tajikistan?

    https://static1.straitstimes.com.sg/s3fs-public/articles/2021/08/26/online-210826-afghanistan-fdminerals.jpg?VersionId=BHxJ5W5bN0uYRVATSWV021ZmVRhycWx9

    But Massoud's National Resistance Front is probably way too weak to conquer this area by itself, which the Taliban will likely defend to the hilt.

    Is Russia planning on becoming buddy-buddies with the Taliban? Does Russia have any value for these natural resources, or does Russia already have enough of its own ones?

    Replies: @AP, @Barbarossa, @Another Polish Perspective

  107. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Masons have always done discreet advertisement. You have to ask a Mason in person if you want to join. You can't google up a membership application. Bumper stickers and window decals have been around longer than I have. I haven't seen a custom license plate yet but there are scads of vanity artwork available in many states.

    People who have it in for Masons on average are not as well armed as Masons. They are good to know if you want to get a deal on a gun or ammo purchase. : )

    Replies: @QCIC, @songbird

    For years the Masons advertised for new members on hard-rock/metal radio stations in Boston. I guess they needed to fill out the bottom levels of the pyramid.

  108. @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    Putin always goes from a better offer to a worse one for his opponents (if the first offer is not accepted). His first offer to Ukies was Minsk agreements. His second offer was made at the negotiations in 2022, which the masters of Ukies told them to reject.

    You're talking about his offer where Ukraine agrees to de-militarize and not join NATO.

    And what exactly would stop Russia from invading Ukraine after handing over their weapons?

    Putin's word? The same Putin that promised to make LPR/DPR independent states and then threw their flags in the trash?

    The 2022 offer was just a trap. Putin must be used to the company of idiots if he thought it would work.

    Furthermore the offer was never made to Zelensky. Putin has had a bounty on his head since the start of the war. Does that sound like someone trying to negotiate in good faith?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Derer, @Sean

    Is Russian city after city being transformed into a ‘hellscape’?

  109. @QCIC
    @Mikel

    Trump had to pick his battles. The Afghanistan mess was ridiculous and terrible but not too important in my opinion.

    The FUBAR USA withdrawal from Afghanistan was the least bad thing about the whole stupid fiasco.

    I have forgotten the officially sanctioned reason the USA/West went in to Afghanistan, so here is my list of options.

    1) Annoy and pressure Russia and Iran.

    2) Part of the PNAC.

    3) Lucrative heroin and human trafficking.

    4) Or was it something about capturing Saudis who were patsies in a false-flag operation which was soaked in lies from top to bottom? Did anyone notice the Saudis have their own country which is not Afghanistan or Iraq?

    5) Make Israeli power brokers happy for unidentified reasons? This might just be 1,2,3,4 added together....

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    They went into Afghanistan because a demonstration was required that if the United States is attacked a bunch of people are going to die even if they don’t even get close to hitting the actual offenders. Have you heard of the that book Don’t Make the Negro Angry?

    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/dont-make-the-black-kids-angry-mr-colin-flaherty/1121279324

    The process was identical to disrespecting some hood gangster and he whips out his pistol and empties his clip at anybody.

  110. @Another Polish Perspective
    @songbird


    Just noticed today that there are Masonic license plates,
     
    For example..?

    Replies: @songbird

    What I mean is my state specifically makes plates for Freemasons. With the square and compass symbol on one side, followed by MM (which I think might mean ‘Mark Master’) and then what I assume are a few less significant digits.

    Or perhaps it would have the opposite effect and people would drive more carefully around them, not tailgate or honk their horn.

  111. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Masons have always done discreet advertisement. You have to ask a Mason in person if you want to join. You can't google up a membership application. Bumper stickers and window decals have been around longer than I have. I haven't seen a custom license plate yet but there are scads of vanity artwork available in many states.

    People who have it in for Masons on average are not as well armed as Masons. They are good to know if you want to get a deal on a gun or ammo purchase. : )

    Replies: @QCIC, @songbird

    Here’s the page:
    https://massfreemasonry.org/community-programs/masonic-license-plate-program-2/

    I guess anyone can get one, and it is some sort of fundraising tool.

  112. @AP
    @Beckow


    EU has no intention to allow in Ukraine. It would destroy it like accepting Turkey – officially “invited” candidate since 1960
     
    A ridiculous comparison.

    Turkey has over 85 million people. Ukraine only has 30 or so million.

    Turkey is Muslim and has a large population of fecund Kurds who do things like honor killing. Ukrainians are Christians and Slavs.

    No one really wants Turkey in. Several EU members very much want Ukraine to be a member.

    Ukraine is much closer to core EU territory than is Turkey.

    Ukraine’s path would not be easy, it would be a bit like Romania+Bulgaria back in the 90s, but not impossible and no comparison to Turkey.

    It is also obvious that if Russia wins there will not be a well-armed Ukraine on their border
     
    So if a peace deal is reached (even at current lines of control) and Ukraine remains armed to the teeth as it is now - you will consider it a Russian loss?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    I thought that the Turkish Kurds are socialists? Don’t socialists frown on things like honor killings due to their inherent misogyny? Or are Muslim socialists an exception to the rule in regards to this?

    Turkey is fairly secular for a Muslim country, along with Kazakhstan:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/map-death-for-apostasy/

    But there’s still a large religious undercurrent in Turkey (look at Erdogan’s success–though ironically he is better for Syrian refugees than the more liberal and Western-oriented Turkish opposition is!) even if most religious Turks thankfully don’t support hardcore crazy shit like killing people for apostasy.

    Turkey has relatively high human capital by global standards, comparable to Greece, and thus could be a nice addition to the EU, but it also has severe problems with authoritarianism, corruption, and killings of journalists. Ukraine has some of these problems too, but to a lesser extent.

    Ultimately whether Ukraine will ultimately end up joining the EU will depend on just how reformed and wealthy it will become in the meantime and on just how much Ukraine would be willing to shed its Soviet legacy. As a result of the current war, Ukrainians appear to be more willing to do the last part, or at least the Ukrainian people are. It’s a very sad spectacle when the alt-right points out that the Russo-Ukrainian War is essentially a war between the two most corrupt countries in the white Christian world. Ukraine is still better, of course, but it shows just how much the Soviet legacy still corrupts Ukraine.

    Ukraine’s human capital is a factor in favor of having Ukraine join the EU, and as you said, it is more culturally compatible than Turkey’s human capital is.

    Really, the raison d’etre of Ukrainian independence was and still is eventual Ukrainian EU membership. Take that way, and there was no point in Ukraine voting to secede from the USSR back in 1991. Way too much suffering and not worth it at all unless it is accompanied by eventual EU membership.

  113. @LatW
    @AP


    BTW any of Russian elites fighting?
     
    The Russian pop culture "elites" are too busy attending "half naked parties" where they show off $250K worth of diamonds on their rear ends.

    While the pro-war "elites" are busy blaming these types for the sinking of the ships...

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Also shows just how much Russia’s elites actually care about the Russian regime’s post-2010 anti-LGBTQ+ push. A party full of almost naked men and women can be viewed as very homoerotic, after all. Certainly a lot of tastiness there for everyone!

  114. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    That would still not mean that the US was kicked out of Afghanistan by the Taliban with AK-47s as the previous poster implied.
     
    But it was, for all intents and purposes.

    20 years after the US invaded Afghanistan to remove the Taliban from power, the Taliban controlled more than half of the country and no US soldier would set foot in those parts, except for maybe a hit and run operation. It wasn't another Vietnam because the US (rationally enough) wasn't willing to sustain that sort of casualties.

    If you took part in that adventure the reality is that your superiors decided that too many of you would die trying to defeat the AK-47 wielding and sandal-wearing Taliban. In fact, far too many Americans died for nothing. The end result (return of the Taliban to power) could have been achieved with many less casualties and much less waste of money for America.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson

    The end result (return of the Taliban to power) could have been achieved with many less casualties and much less waste of money for America.

    Yeah, probably, and Afghans could have begun emigrating en masse much earlier to continue getting their taste of freedom.

  115. @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Now perhaps this one is over my head, but I’m gonna ask.
     
    Ehem... ok, I'll post about this. I apologize in advance if some will find this "content" objectionable.

    Isn’t this the worst time of year for half naked?
     
    For these Moscow types who live by the day to show off seasons do not exist - every day is good enough for vanity, no matter what time of the year.

    Anyway, the last several days, there's a huge scandal raging on Russian media - this chick who has 18M followers on Instagram (I don't get how she can still use it, I thought it was banned in Russia), I'm not sure what to exactly call her, "a social lioness", I suspect she is some "high end" madame (who has herself previously had sugar daddies) since she is the editor of the Russian Playboy (they left), decided to throw a party for Russian celebrities called "Half way Naked" (or "Almost naked"). So a bunch of celebrities arrived, of all age groups, in sheer outfits. There was a very high entrance fee.


    What is this butt jewelry?
     
    This chick herself wore an outfit with an ornament on her backside, you can see it in this video below under More starting at about 3:05 (do not get scared by the beginning of the video, those mature crazy people are Kirkorov who is a famous gay singer and some older chick who ran off to Russia from Odessa after the invasion).

    She goes: "Have you ever seen $250K on a butt?" And then turns around to demonstrate it.

    All the Z patriots went crazy. Solovyov blamed them for the ship disasters. In the end, these "artists" and socialites had to make sobby public apologies.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gccpqO_4dZ8

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW, @AP, @Mr. Hack

    I’m wondering who will be at this year’s New Year’s show, given that some of the regulars have been cancelled due to this party.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @AP


    I’m wondering who will be at this year’s New Year’s show, given that some of the regulars have been cancelled due to this party.
     
    Well, some of them apologized so profusely that they might be forgiven. :) These Kremlin nightingales are "bottoms" and they fully deserve to be treated as such.

    They had a "social contract" type of thing where these celebrities (one is reluctant to use the word "elite" when addressing them) would accept whatever was expected of them (a few concerts in Crimea, etc), and pretend that everything is ok, as long as they can do what they want (live freely, buy Louis Vuitton, enjoy being the center of attention at "half naked" parties, etc). This shows that that's over.

    This might be one of the first signs of Moscow starting to feel the war.

  116. @AP
    @LatW

    I'm wondering who will be at this year's New Year's show, given that some of the regulars have been cancelled due to this party.

    Replies: @LatW

    I’m wondering who will be at this year’s New Year’s show, given that some of the regulars have been cancelled due to this party.

    Well, some of them apologized so profusely that they might be forgiven. 🙂 These Kremlin nightingales are “bottoms” and they fully deserve to be treated as such.

    They had a “social contract” type of thing where these celebrities (one is reluctant to use the word “elite” when addressing them) would accept whatever was expected of them (a few concerts in Crimea, etc), and pretend that everything is ok, as long as they can do what they want (live freely, buy Louis Vuitton, enjoy being the center of attention at “half naked” parties, etc). This shows that that’s over.

    This might be one of the first signs of Moscow starting to feel the war.

  117. @AP
    @Beckow


    EU has no intention to allow in Ukraine. It would destroy it like accepting Turkey – officially “invited” candidate since 1960
     
    A ridiculous comparison.

    Turkey has over 85 million people. Ukraine only has 30 or so million.

    Turkey is Muslim and has a large population of fecund Kurds who do things like honor killing. Ukrainians are Christians and Slavs.

    No one really wants Turkey in. Several EU members very much want Ukraine to be a member.

    Ukraine is much closer to core EU territory than is Turkey.

    Ukraine’s path would not be easy, it would be a bit like Romania+Bulgaria back in the 90s, but not impossible and no comparison to Turkey.

    It is also obvious that if Russia wins there will not be a well-armed Ukraine on their border
     
    So if a peace deal is reached (even at current lines of control) and Ukraine remains armed to the teeth as it is now - you will consider it a Russian loss?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    …Ukraine only has 30 or so million.

    You have a point there. Ukraine started with 50 million in 1991 – that ‘independence’ has really worked out well for them. I suppose if they are down to 10-15 million EU could absorb most of them. But EU won’t, you don’t understand the EU dynamic, how it works.

    if a peace deal is reached (even at current lines of control) and Ukraine remains armed to the teeth as it is now – you will consider it a Russian loss?

    No, just a smaller win. Russia has already won: they will keep the territories and there will not be Nato in Ukraine. The maximalist objectives can be reached or not – like the level of demilitarization or who rules in Kiev. If they are reached it will be a massive win for Russia and a catastrophic defeat for Kiev. But smaller win is also a win. You are playing games with semantics – by your definition of war victory as being only if all maximal goals are reached there would be very few “victories”.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    No, just a smaller win. Russia has already won: they will keep the territories and there will not be Nato in Ukraine. The maximalist objectives can be reached or not – like the level of demilitarization or who rules in Kiev. If they are reached it will be a massive win for Russia and a catastrophic defeat for Kiev. But smaller win is also a win. You are playing games with semantics – by your definition of war victory as being only if all maximal goals are reached there would be very few “victories”.

     

    You think that 100,000+ dead Russians is a price worth paying for all of this? I certainly don't.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Gerard1234

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    You have a point there. Ukraine started with 50 million in 1991 – that ‘independence’ has really worked out well for them.
     
    Losing ethnic Russians hostile to Ukraine is a plus. Algeria was once part of France - it is good that France lost it, too.

    Russia has already won: they will keep the territories and there will not be Nato in Ukraine.
     
    Which wasn't in NATO anyways. Although Ukraine now has far more NATO weapons than it ever did or would have if not for the Russian invasion. And there will now be Americans in NATO bases in Finland.

    Russia also won because Ukraine does not aircraft carriers and won't.

    Russia has also won because Ukraine does not have space lasers and won't.

    You are playing games with semantics
     
    You are conveniently considering a win, something that did not exist before the war. Playing games with unlikely possibilities.

    by your definition of war victory as being only if all maximal goals are reached
     
    Victory would be if most (not necessarily all) goals are reached, and/or the country ends up stronger than before.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

  118. This brief clip of Chomsky is very relevant. I don’t know the context, nor am I a fan of his work in general. It is very relevant to NATO pressuring Russia.

  119. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Ukraine only has 30 or so million.
     
    You have a point there. Ukraine started with 50 million in 1991 - that 'independence' has really worked out well for them. I suppose if they are down to 10-15 million EU could absorb most of them. But EU won't, you don't understand the EU dynamic, how it works.

    if a peace deal is reached (even at current lines of control) and Ukraine remains armed to the teeth as it is now – you will consider it a Russian loss?
     
    No, just a smaller win. Russia has already won: they will keep the territories and there will not be Nato in Ukraine. The maximalist objectives can be reached or not - like the level of demilitarization or who rules in Kiev. If they are reached it will be a massive win for Russia and a catastrophic defeat for Kiev. But smaller win is also a win. You are playing games with semantics - by your definition of war victory as being only if all maximal goals are reached there would be very few "victories".

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    No, just a smaller win. Russia has already won: they will keep the territories and there will not be Nato in Ukraine. The maximalist objectives can be reached or not – like the level of demilitarization or who rules in Kiev. If they are reached it will be a massive win for Russia and a catastrophic defeat for Kiev. But smaller win is also a win. You are playing games with semantics – by your definition of war victory as being only if all maximal goals are reached there would be very few “victories”.

    You think that 100,000+ dead Russians is a price worth paying for all of this? I certainly don’t.

    • Troll: LondonBob
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...price worth paying for
     
    That's for Russia to decide. I am not sure where you get the 100k number, Russians claim less than half of that. The Ukie casualties are estimated in the West at 225-300k, but that includes wounded. Was the war worth paying the price for the Ukies?

    We don't know, wars are a circus of lies and exaggerations. But whatever the number, is any number worth it? Would 20k be ok? Can you think of any war - including the recent Nato wars - that was worth it? We need to be consistent.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Gerard1234
    @Mr. XYZ


    You think that 100,000+ dead Russians is a price worth paying for all of this? I certainly don’t.
     
    LMAO. Of course it makes a pathetic loser like you feel better by saying "100000+ Russians dead" nonsense to try and self-justify your presence here......but of course it has zero connection to reality

    This has been one of the most one-sided wars in history, with embarrassingly high kill ratios in Russia's favour as the denazification is going very well you idiot. Another positive addition to our proud and succesful military history.

    With one of the smallest forces ever (less than 100000 +LDNR) in relation to opposition ukrop/NATO forces ....we were able to capture enormous section of Ukraine, and key infrastructure and incinerate enormous numbers of "Ukrainians". Key goals achieved of Lugansk basically liberated, Azov coast control, landbridge to Crimea, key cities liberated , Zaporizhzhia NPP taken over, Black Sea Coast control. Defeated what billions of NATO money and man-hours of work had tried to stop.

    Russia hasn't even got forced into a full mobilisation in all this time. The partial mobilisation had NOTHING to do with casualties you braindead prick , because our casualties have been very low. Very sad but very low. With that same, very small number of forces from February 2022, we had a long frontline overextended by numbers required for administration, engineering, security needed deep past line of contact . Frontline was static before announcement of partial mobilisation( sitting duck territory with everybody evacuated does not count) , and it was static AFTER mobilisation complete and implemented - even though the lag-time is about 3-4 months between the 2 stages.

    It's self-explanatory why Russian military was not in anyway vulnerable to Ukrop attacks during the lag-period of the 3-4 months you idiot. Or was there ANY talk from the pussy ukronazis of using this time to make gains on the frontline.
    Ukrop soldiers get paid 3 times more each day for operations in attack , compared to operations in defence I should add. Or to be more accurate - their widows are owed that money.


    Since then , the vast majority of those in the partial mobilisation of Russia have not fired a single thing in the SMO. Russia very busy rebuilding cities and building federal road to Crimea through landbridge territory, water canal to Donbass ( already complete), Surovikin line and many infrastrucure projects you dumb prick. A side suffering "heavy casualties" does not do things like that you idiot ( particularly when there is also clear threat of long and medium range weapons given to 404 by NATO)

    Since then it has been the same - outnumbered (but not to the same level as in 2022) Russian forces inflicting castrophic numbers of ukronazi deaths. Frontline not dynamic but less static than before ( again in Russia's favour as there is a long list of places liberated this year with 1000's of ukronazi deaths in each of them). Multiples waves of mobilisation and multiple waves of disaster for 404 against zero for Russia.

    Any common sense, anecdotal, video evidence etc proves what I am saying to be correct, and your claims to be deluded BS.

    Russia gets millions of new citizens also , so the embarrassingly stupid "loss of 100000+, in addition to being total BS, does not take the millions of citizens gained into perspective. This war must have the lowest percentage of gunshot deaths/injuries in relation to those caused by heavy weaponry, deaths are going to be there, but ours are admirably low - but it is only showing itself in the vast number of ukronazi deaths you imbecile.
  120. Pretty crazy how the last image we got from the surface of Venus is from 1982 and that only one probe ever has done a fly-by of Uranus or Neptune. (Voyager 2)

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    The public space missions may not be the only activity. : )

    Any word yet on Eric Davis at the Sol Foundation Stanford meeting? I still have not seen even a mention of his name except the original announcement where is on the agenda.

    Replies: @songbird

  121. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    No, just a smaller win. Russia has already won: they will keep the territories and there will not be Nato in Ukraine. The maximalist objectives can be reached or not – like the level of demilitarization or who rules in Kiev. If they are reached it will be a massive win for Russia and a catastrophic defeat for Kiev. But smaller win is also a win. You are playing games with semantics – by your definition of war victory as being only if all maximal goals are reached there would be very few “victories”.

     

    You think that 100,000+ dead Russians is a price worth paying for all of this? I certainly don't.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Gerard1234

    …price worth paying for

    That’s for Russia to decide. I am not sure where you get the 100k number, Russians claim less than half of that. The Ukie casualties are estimated in the West at 225-300k, but that includes wounded. Was the war worth paying the price for the Ukies?

    We don’t know, wars are a circus of lies and exaggerations. But whatever the number, is any number worth it? Would 20k be ok? Can you think of any war – including the recent Nato wars – that was worth it? We need to be consistent.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Well, at least this war secured an EU membership perspective for Ukraine, which is worth a lot (as well as reinvigorating the EU in general). It also opened the West's doors to millions of Ukrainians. Not small achievements.

    The Iraq War might have been worth it. Barely. At least Iraqis have democracy right now, albeit a very flawed and very corrupt form of democracy (unfortunately widespread in much of the developing world). Also possibly greater free speech, freedom of assembly, et cetera rights. I'd probably prefer to deal with Shi'a militias than with Saddam Hussein's extremely brutal regime, though obviously both are extremely unpleasant to deal with.

    The Libya War could potentially be worth it in the future if Libyans will actually succeed in building a functioning, democratic, and prosperous state. They certainly have a lot of oil going for them. As of right now, though, unfortunately this war was not worth it. Obama was right. NATO needed a "day after" plan in Libya after overthrowing Gaddafi if it was going to do it.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234, @Beckow

  122. @songbird
    Pretty crazy how the last image we got from the surface of Venus is from 1982 and that only one probe ever has done a fly-by of Uranus or Neptune. (Voyager 2)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The public space missions may not be the only activity. : )

    Any word yet on Eric Davis at the Sol Foundation Stanford meeting? I still have not seen even a mention of his name except the original announcement where is on the agenda.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    People sometimes say, "Where are all the aliens?". Because we don't see a growing area of stars dimming across the galaxy.

    But I wonder if anyone has done the calculations on how many aliens could reasonably be hiding within our solar system, without us noticing, just for the sake of argument. Like, if you tunnelled out the bigger asteroids, that would easily be more surface area than the Earth. How many places have we really gotten a close look at? Would we notice some ten mile long ship that was in orbit around Neptune? Probably not.

    As long as they weren't wokes, or too aggressive, I'd think they would want to study us from afar.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  123. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...price worth paying for
     
    That's for Russia to decide. I am not sure where you get the 100k number, Russians claim less than half of that. The Ukie casualties are estimated in the West at 225-300k, but that includes wounded. Was the war worth paying the price for the Ukies?

    We don't know, wars are a circus of lies and exaggerations. But whatever the number, is any number worth it? Would 20k be ok? Can you think of any war - including the recent Nato wars - that was worth it? We need to be consistent.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Well, at least this war secured an EU membership perspective for Ukraine, which is worth a lot (as well as reinvigorating the EU in general). It also opened the West’s doors to millions of Ukrainians. Not small achievements.

    The Iraq War might have been worth it. Barely. At least Iraqis have democracy right now, albeit a very flawed and very corrupt form of democracy (unfortunately widespread in much of the developing world). Also possibly greater free speech, freedom of assembly, et cetera rights. I’d probably prefer to deal with Shi’a militias than with Saddam Hussein’s extremely brutal regime, though obviously both are extremely unpleasant to deal with.

    The Libya War could potentially be worth it in the future if Libyans will actually succeed in building a functioning, democratic, and prosperous state. They certainly have a lot of oil going for them. As of right now, though, unfortunately this war was not worth it. Obama was right. NATO needed a “day after” plan in Libya after overthrowing Gaddafi if it was going to do it.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    I wonder if Ukraine's accession to the EU will be a Trojan Horse which breaks up NATO?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Gerard1234
    @Mr. XYZ


    Well, at least this war secured an EU membership perspective for Ukraine, which is worth a lot
     
    LOL - the same nothing "EU membership perspective" they have had since 1991, 2004, 2014 and Turkey ( an actual decently run country) has had for decades you POS? It is beyond evil and gives a very bad precedent to use not democratic/economic/legal reforms but war ( and with it embarrassingly high kamikaze deaths of the ukronazis), the extinction of "Ukrainians" to entice the fake perspective ( or even a real perspective) of membership........particularly when the same fundamental problems of hopeless governance, inability to do reforms and mass corruption have never shown ANY progress, and the conditions for them to get even worse are there now.

    as well as reinvigorating the EU in general
     
    A completely nothing, irrelevant statement. All it did is emphasise how interconnected NATO &EU issue is ( one of Russia's main points you cretin).

    It also opened the West’s doors to millions of Ukrainians
     
    Am I reading this stupid nonsense correct? Millions of ukrops were ALREADY in the EU working as toilet cleaners and prostitutes you idiot. Just like millions of Turks have been in Germany for over 50 years, million plus Moldovans, millions of Albanians, Serbs wanting to work high quality jobs in Germany or Czech Republic are easily doing so, millions of Syrians in Germany, about a billion Iranians in every single EU country. Africans. Indians.
    For sure, Poland isn't the west - and you are talking about countries like France, UK, Germany ,Holland, Spain etc but the point is still correct.

    As has been proven numerous time, opening doors to people from hopelessly corrupt, failed shithole countries like Ukraine - where every effort has been made ( and failed hopelessly) to make them more "western" in democracy, finance, court system , governance etc (including western foreigners directly controlling government positions).......it does not and will not make them more western when they go back to the 404.

    The Iraq War might have been worth it. Barely. At least Iraqis have democracy right now, albeit a very flawed and very corrupt form of democracy
     
    And the Holocaust was "worth it" because of the creation of Israel, World Trade Centre attack was "worth it" because with the new building the skyline of New York was improved........
    Any dipshit can wait 30,50,100 years as the world advances and can say any bad event was "good" for it you idiot.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...at least this war secured an EU membership perspective for Ukraine, which is worth a lot (as well as reinvigorating the EU in general).
     
    EU is today a dead-man walking - you haven't noticed? EU peaked in 2005-15, then Brexit, migrants, covid and the disastrous Ukie war dramatically weakened it. That is not my opinion, it is officially discussed in Brussels. There are attempts to reinvigorate EU: centralise taxes-budgets with common EU bonds, abolish 'veto', expansion, but also shrinkage -many would like smaller, richer original EU.

    In the meantime all else is on hold - only hot air promises. Ukraine's chance is actually less than in 2014 or 2010. The zeitgeist has changed and nobody is joining. It is too expensive and the rules can't be negotiated.

    If EU expands - Serbia, Bosnia, Albania, Ukraine, Moldova...it would have to be all of them - the financial balance would literally collapse. UK was the second largest contributor, now it is all on Germany-Holland-Austria-Nordics (France has a deal to "break even"). And Italy is slipping into a country needing heavy subsidies. The expansion simply can't work - do you understand numbers? The speeches for the Ukies and others are just that: empty political promises - in 1990's-2000's the same game was played with Turkey for political gain, then Erdogan got elected.

    Kiev made a fatal strategic error: the attraction of Ukraine was for EU business to get back-door access to the huge Russian market: set-up in Ukraine with cheaper labor, close access, language - use it to sell EU products to Russia. That was the plan, that's what people discussed behind the scene, how to convince Russia to allow it, to buy them. Then the stupid Ukie nationalists and the neo-cons with their Nato obsession blew it.

    That's the story - all else is bloody nonsense by irrational dreamers...."perspective?", what the f..k is that? Go outside and look at the sky if all you want is "perspective". It is about as real.

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Mr. Hack, @silviosilver

  124. @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ


    Sure, Russia can sponsor it, but then it shouldn’t complain about the deaths. Maidan itself was virtually bloodless, IIRC.
     
    Not the situation with the snipers as detailed by Kachanovski. Crimea was much more virtually bloodless.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I can’t comment on Ivan K.’s claims since I’m not an expert in regards to the evidence. If truly a false flag, though, it was one hell of an epic false flag as well as a really stupid one in the event of an extraordinarily massive backlash in the event that the truth would have ever come out. I’m not convinced that it actually was a false flag, but I’m not ruling out the hypothesis at this point in time either.

    The Donbass could have been as bloodless as Crimea, or almost so, had Russia quickly annexed it back in 2014. It could have subsequently proceeded to give the Donbass much more autonomy within Russia than Ukraine was willing to give it within Ukraine.

  125. @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    And for what it's worth, minerals were always a big draw in Afghanistan. The Bush, Obama, and Trump admins tried to get international mining concerns to set up shop in Afghanistan but the lack infrastructure and territorial instability made it a non-starter. Trump definitely had interest in staying in Afghanistan and the best that can be said was that he waffled on it.

    Afghanistan has perhaps the world's largest supply of Lithium Carbonate which is the primary raw material of Lithium Ion batteries, plus a bunch of other worthwhile minerals. I read a mining trade journal article in 2019 or so that was very interesting on that score. A lot of articles came out after the US departure with the same points though.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Makes one wonder whether Tajikistan should support Massoud’s rebels in an attempt to secure some of that Afghan gold near Tajikistan’s borders, as a part of a deal with Massoud in exchange for huge military assistance from Tajikistan?

    But Massoud’s National Resistance Front is probably way too weak to conquer this area by itself, which the Taliban will likely defend to the hilt.

    Is Russia planning on becoming buddy-buddies with the Taliban? Does Russia have any value for these natural resources, or does Russia already have enough of its own ones?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    Ukraine has one of the largest lithium deposits in Europe (a reason why EU might be interested in Ukraine).* Two of Ukraine's lithium fields have been captured by Russia but the other two remain in Ukraine, in Kirovohrad province.

    https://tamarindo.global/articles/ukrainian-conflict-the-first-lithium-war/#:~:text=The%20Ukrainian%20Geological%20Survey%20has,in%20the%20Donetsk%20and%20Zaporizhzhia

    https://assets-global.website-files.com/6361890e4c4a65d7854edebd/643e7532bf7506406724e64a_Screenshot%202023-04-18%20at%2011.26.58.png

    Russian oligarchs getting their hands on Ukrainian resources was probably a more important reason for this invasion than was hypothetical NATO membership.


    * "...For the European Union, these deposits could represent an opportunity to reduce its dependence on foreign oil. At present, Australia, Argentina, Brazil, Chile (known as the "lithium triangle") and China hold most of the world's "white gold", so the Ukrainian deposits would help reduce lithium imports, which already account for 87% of total demand.

    By 2050, Europe's need for rare earths is expected to increase tenfold, and according to the World Bank, in this scenario, production of minerals such as lithium graphite should exceed 2018 production by more than 450%. "

    https://www.atalayar.com/en/articulo/economy-and-business/ukrainian-lithium-another-cause-russian-invasion/20220322182435155647.html

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234

    , @Barbarossa
    @Mr. XYZ


    whether Tajikistan should support Massoud’s rebels in an attempt to secure some of that Afghan gold near Tajikistan’s borders

     

    I think that would be very unlikely. Any kind of reasonable scale mining requires too high a degree of infrastructure and stability which a weak resistance group would be unable to deliver. If the US can't make it happen than Tajikistan certainly won't be likely to.
    Plus, the Taliban are quite aware that mineral resources are their only path to any kind of economic stability and would not tolerate it.
    It seems like Afghanistan will be dominated by Chinese mining concerns for any foreseeable future, and as AP points out, there are plenty of sources of mineral wealth much closer to home for Russia.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Another Polish Perspective
    @Mr. XYZ

    Afghanistan was allegedly known in antiquity as "tin mountains", tin being in demand for bronze.

  126. @QCIC
    @Mikel

    Trump had to pick his battles. The Afghanistan mess was ridiculous and terrible but not too important in my opinion.

    The FUBAR USA withdrawal from Afghanistan was the least bad thing about the whole stupid fiasco.

    I have forgotten the officially sanctioned reason the USA/West went in to Afghanistan, so here is my list of options.

    1) Annoy and pressure Russia and Iran.

    2) Part of the PNAC.

    3) Lucrative heroin and human trafficking.

    4) Or was it something about capturing Saudis who were patsies in a false-flag operation which was soaked in lies from top to bottom? Did anyone notice the Saudis have their own country which is not Afghanistan or Iraq?

    5) Make Israeli power brokers happy for unidentified reasons? This might just be 1,2,3,4 added together....

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    Trump had to pick his battles. The Afghanistan mess was ridiculous and terrible but not too important in my opinion.

    I concur.

    Trump did not repeat Obama’s Surge error. He reduced scope of activity to the area around Kabul thus sharply reducing casualties. And, Trump actively pursued an exit strategy.

    I am not sure why Mikel keeps refusing to understand that the establishment, especially Mitch McConnell, inserted people into the administration. Trump did what he could to curb the Afghanistan and Syria mistakes that were active before 2017.

    Insisting on 100% of absolutely everything! Instantly! is unreasonable in a system that has multiple branches. It closes the door to meaningful negotiations and almost always results in walking away with nothing.

    I have forgotten the officially sanctioned reason the USA/West went in to Afghanistan

    The primary reason was chasing Osama bin Laden and his ISIS associates. This roughly aligns with the AUMF. Establishing a “democracy” was never a serious goal or viable strategy.

    If you want to allocate some blame to prior Saudi rulers, their current leader MbS would quietly agree. He, like Trump, inherited some fearsome errors from his predecessors and is trying to unwind them.

    PEACE 😇

  127. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Ukraine only has 30 or so million.
     
    You have a point there. Ukraine started with 50 million in 1991 - that 'independence' has really worked out well for them. I suppose if they are down to 10-15 million EU could absorb most of them. But EU won't, you don't understand the EU dynamic, how it works.

    if a peace deal is reached (even at current lines of control) and Ukraine remains armed to the teeth as it is now – you will consider it a Russian loss?
     
    No, just a smaller win. Russia has already won: they will keep the territories and there will not be Nato in Ukraine. The maximalist objectives can be reached or not - like the level of demilitarization or who rules in Kiev. If they are reached it will be a massive win for Russia and a catastrophic defeat for Kiev. But smaller win is also a win. You are playing games with semantics - by your definition of war victory as being only if all maximal goals are reached there would be very few "victories".

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    You have a point there. Ukraine started with 50 million in 1991 – that ‘independence’ has really worked out well for them.

    Losing ethnic Russians hostile to Ukraine is a plus. Algeria was once part of France – it is good that France lost it, too.

    Russia has already won: they will keep the territories and there will not be Nato in Ukraine.

    Which wasn’t in NATO anyways. Although Ukraine now has far more NATO weapons than it ever did or would have if not for the Russian invasion. And there will now be Americans in NATO bases in Finland.

    Russia also won because Ukraine does not aircraft carriers and won’t.

    Russia has also won because Ukraine does not have space lasers and won’t.

    You are playing games with semantics

    You are conveniently considering a win, something that did not exist before the war. Playing games with unlikely possibilities.

    by your definition of war victory as being only if all maximal goals are reached

    Victory would be if most (not necessarily all) goals are reached, and/or the country ends up stronger than before.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Losing ethnic Russians hostile to Ukraine is a plus. Algeria was once part of France – it is good that France lost it, too.

     

    Losing these ethnic Russians was definitely a plus before the start of the war. Nowadays the rest of Ukraine is so hostile towards Russia that it makes no difference whether or not Crimea and the Donbass will ever rejoin Ukraine.

    Agreed that France losing Algeria was a huge plus. Ditto for India losing Pakistan and Bangladesh in 1947. Ditto for Serbia losing Kosovo, probably. Though maybe it would have been nice for Serbia to keep Serb-majority northern Kosovo. Israel losing most of the West Bank could also be a plus if Israel will actually install and keep in place a friendly satellite regime there. Similarly, Poland losing the Kresy has done wonders for Polish-Ukrainian relations decades later and beyond, though it would have been very nice if the Volhynian Massacres, et cetera could have been completely avoided back in the 1940s. Russia losing Chechnya would be a plus (less of a money drain in the Caucasus), though then pro-Western liberals couldn't impose the LGBTQ+ ideology and agenda onto Chechnya, something which frankly Chechens REALLY deserve to get imposed upon them so that their extremely brutal and violent homophobia and toxic masculinity will finally end.

    So, Yeah, sometimes smaller really is better.

    , @Beckow
    @AP


    You are conveniently considering a win, something that did not exist before the war. Playing games with unlikely possibilities.
     
    What? In 2021 Kiev controlled Azov sea and land access to Crimea, today Russia does. Nato from highest levels was declaring that "Ukraine will be in Nato", and so was Zelko.

    Now you are down to "but we got Nato arms, blabla..." - temporary situation that is of no long-term consequence. When was the last time a Nato leader said that "Ukraine will be in Nato, shut-up Russia! it is none of your business!"...in 2014-21 they were literally saying it all the time, Bush even said it in 2008.

    It is a climb-down of enormous proportions and consequences. You refuse to see it because it hurts to acknowledge it. But people running it know. It has been a catastrophic mistake. None of it had to happen if Kiev acted rationally - no banning of the Russian language and bombing of civilians in Donbas. No "kill the Moskali" and Odessa massacre - the undisciplined local idiocy that got out of hand.

    It's too late, there is no way back. Ukraine that could have been is gone - it will be a smaller, poorer, less attractive country to business and EU, with tragic losses. In 5 years you will accept it, now you are in the anger-denial phase.

    You still hope for a miracle...you believe in Zelko-the-shaman who was supposed to bring the rain. Do you know what they do to a shaman when the rains don't come?

  128. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Well, at least this war secured an EU membership perspective for Ukraine, which is worth a lot (as well as reinvigorating the EU in general). It also opened the West's doors to millions of Ukrainians. Not small achievements.

    The Iraq War might have been worth it. Barely. At least Iraqis have democracy right now, albeit a very flawed and very corrupt form of democracy (unfortunately widespread in much of the developing world). Also possibly greater free speech, freedom of assembly, et cetera rights. I'd probably prefer to deal with Shi'a militias than with Saddam Hussein's extremely brutal regime, though obviously both are extremely unpleasant to deal with.

    The Libya War could potentially be worth it in the future if Libyans will actually succeed in building a functioning, democratic, and prosperous state. They certainly have a lot of oil going for them. As of right now, though, unfortunately this war was not worth it. Obama was right. NATO needed a "day after" plan in Libya after overthrowing Gaddafi if it was going to do it.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234, @Beckow

    I wonder if Ukraine’s accession to the EU will be a Trojan Horse which breaks up NATO?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @QCIC

    Why would it? Finland's accession to the EU long before it joined NATO did not threaten NATO in any meaningful way. Ditto for Sweden's EU accession. And Austria's EU accession as well.

  129. @Mr. XYZ
    @Barbarossa

    Makes one wonder whether Tajikistan should support Massoud's rebels in an attempt to secure some of that Afghan gold near Tajikistan's borders, as a part of a deal with Massoud in exchange for huge military assistance from Tajikistan?

    https://static1.straitstimes.com.sg/s3fs-public/articles/2021/08/26/online-210826-afghanistan-fdminerals.jpg?VersionId=BHxJ5W5bN0uYRVATSWV021ZmVRhycWx9

    But Massoud's National Resistance Front is probably way too weak to conquer this area by itself, which the Taliban will likely defend to the hilt.

    Is Russia planning on becoming buddy-buddies with the Taliban? Does Russia have any value for these natural resources, or does Russia already have enough of its own ones?

    Replies: @AP, @Barbarossa, @Another Polish Perspective

    Ukraine has one of the largest lithium deposits in Europe (a reason why EU might be interested in Ukraine).* Two of Ukraine’s lithium fields have been captured by Russia but the other two remain in Ukraine, in Kirovohrad province.

    https://tamarindo.global/articles/ukrainian-conflict-the-first-lithium-war/#:~:text=The%20Ukrainian%20Geological%20Survey%20has,in%20the%20Donetsk%20and%20Zaporizhzhia

    Russian oligarchs getting their hands on Ukrainian resources was probably a more important reason for this invasion than was hypothetical NATO membership.

    * “…For the European Union, these deposits could represent an opportunity to reduce its dependence on foreign oil. At present, Australia, Argentina, Brazil, Chile (known as the “lithium triangle”) and China hold most of the world’s “white gold”, so the Ukrainian deposits would help reduce lithium imports, which already account for 87% of total demand.

    By 2050, Europe’s need for rare earths is expected to increase tenfold, and according to the World Bank, in this scenario, production of minerals such as lithium graphite should exceed 2018 production by more than 450%. ”

    https://www.atalayar.com/en/articulo/economy-and-business/ukrainian-lithium-another-cause-russian-invasion/20220322182435155647.html

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Russian oligarchs getting their hands on Ukrainian resources was probably a more important reason for this invasion than was hypothetical NATO membership.

     

    Possibly, along with having Russia secure as much hopefully-pliable human capital from Ukraine as possible in order to regain its lost superpower status. Ukraine's human capital is also a part of its value for the West, along with its lithium and agricultural land. The Western hive mind benefits from growing even more, after all.

    FWIW, I do believe that Russia's leadership drank its own Kool-Aid in regards to NATO, but Yes, you're obviously right that there was very likely more to it than just that.

    I wonder if preventing Russia's ally China from securing Ukrainian lithium deposits would be a more attractive way of framing Western/US support of Ukraine in such a way that appeals to anti-China right-wingers, such as US Republicans. I suspect that it would be, at least marginally.

    Are there any other important natural resources in Ukraine besides lithium?

    As a side note, I suspect that even if Ukraine were to retake the Crimean Corridor, Russia and China would not suffer from a lithium shortage too badly 'coz they could always rely on the Taliban in Afghanistan to sell them lithium at discount prices, no? I mean, it's not like the West will be making investments in Taliban-run Afghanistan anytime soon.

    Also, I wonder if Afghanistan's natural resources would make federalization a difficult sell for Afghans even in the event that the Taliban will ever get ousted from power there again and replaced with a better government (unlikely in the near-term, but who knows about the long-term, right?). Federalization is harder when different groups compete over natural resources. This is also why I don't think that federalization would work for Iraq very well in terms of splitting Iraq into three federal states (Sunni Arab, Shi'a Arab, and Kurd). The Sunni Arab federal state within Iraq in such a scenario wouldn't have many natural resources, after all.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Philip Owen

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP

    This is to your previous cretinous on the other thread:


    Ukraine “on level of Zimbabwe” has managed to wrest control of the western Black Sea from Russia and remains standing after almost 2 years of Russian invasion despite Russia having about 4.5. times more people.

     

    1. That is total BS about the Black Sea.
    2. Any actions in the Black Sea against Russia has been done entirely with western plans, western technology, western orders, western intelligence ( suspect mostly British), western testing . I suppose a fraud like you can try to mimic being Ukrainian by attaching yourself to this – parasiting off and serving foreign powers, claiming their work as your own

    3. Zimbabwe’s Tank program is equal (maybe even better) to the Ukrop “Oplot” tank program , which have of course been invisible in the SMO, lol.
    I suspect a bimbo as yourself would have cluelessly endlessly promoted the Oplot program before 2022 like the useless wakjob you are. Just WTF did these clowns do in the 8 year period on this ? Any its not just the T-84.......its everything.

    4. DOCTOR Mugabe managed to defeat the Europeans out of Zimbabwe. The “4.5 times population” is just you being an aimless bimbo idiot again. If Doctor Mugabe had cuckolded himself with 4 different groups and been kicked out of Harare 4 different times (after about 2 seconds each time) from 4 failed invasions ..then the great man would have been viewed as a joke, a failure…………in Banderastan that catastrophe would get him viewed as “Ukrainian National hero” like that Petliura wakjob serial failure. Zimbabwe is standing, Ukraine failure is not -its a complete disaster.
  130. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    Ukraine has one of the largest lithium deposits in Europe (a reason why EU might be interested in Ukraine).* Two of Ukraine's lithium fields have been captured by Russia but the other two remain in Ukraine, in Kirovohrad province.

    https://tamarindo.global/articles/ukrainian-conflict-the-first-lithium-war/#:~:text=The%20Ukrainian%20Geological%20Survey%20has,in%20the%20Donetsk%20and%20Zaporizhzhia

    https://assets-global.website-files.com/6361890e4c4a65d7854edebd/643e7532bf7506406724e64a_Screenshot%202023-04-18%20at%2011.26.58.png

    Russian oligarchs getting their hands on Ukrainian resources was probably a more important reason for this invasion than was hypothetical NATO membership.


    * "...For the European Union, these deposits could represent an opportunity to reduce its dependence on foreign oil. At present, Australia, Argentina, Brazil, Chile (known as the "lithium triangle") and China hold most of the world's "white gold", so the Ukrainian deposits would help reduce lithium imports, which already account for 87% of total demand.

    By 2050, Europe's need for rare earths is expected to increase tenfold, and according to the World Bank, in this scenario, production of minerals such as lithium graphite should exceed 2018 production by more than 450%. "

    https://www.atalayar.com/en/articulo/economy-and-business/ukrainian-lithium-another-cause-russian-invasion/20220322182435155647.html

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234

    Russian oligarchs getting their hands on Ukrainian resources was probably a more important reason for this invasion than was hypothetical NATO membership.

    Possibly, along with having Russia secure as much hopefully-pliable human capital from Ukraine as possible in order to regain its lost superpower status. Ukraine’s human capital is also a part of its value for the West, along with its lithium and agricultural land. The Western hive mind benefits from growing even more, after all.

    FWIW, I do believe that Russia’s leadership drank its own Kool-Aid in regards to NATO, but Yes, you’re obviously right that there was very likely more to it than just that.

    I wonder if preventing Russia’s ally China from securing Ukrainian lithium deposits would be a more attractive way of framing Western/US support of Ukraine in such a way that appeals to anti-China right-wingers, such as US Republicans. I suspect that it would be, at least marginally.

    Are there any other important natural resources in Ukraine besides lithium?

    As a side note, I suspect that even if Ukraine were to retake the Crimean Corridor, Russia and China would not suffer from a lithium shortage too badly ‘coz they could always rely on the Taliban in Afghanistan to sell them lithium at discount prices, no? I mean, it’s not like the West will be making investments in Taliban-run Afghanistan anytime soon.

    Also, I wonder if Afghanistan’s natural resources would make federalization a difficult sell for Afghans even in the event that the Taliban will ever get ousted from power there again and replaced with a better government (unlikely in the near-term, but who knows about the long-term, right?). Federalization is harder when different groups compete over natural resources. This is also why I don’t think that federalization would work for Iraq very well in terms of splitting Iraq into three federal states (Sunni Arab, Shi’a Arab, and Kurd). The Sunni Arab federal state within Iraq in such a scenario wouldn’t have many natural resources, after all.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    Were you two alarmed by the standoff in the 1980s between NATO and the Warsaw pact? Were you concerned by the state of nuclear weapons on both sides and rumors of near-misses? Were you glad when things cooled off and the alert status of nuclear forces was reduced and treaties led to a massive reduction in the number of nuclear weapons?

    It seems you weight these type of concerns as they relate to Ukraine and the SMO very lightly . On the other hand I think any Russian military leader or military industrial leader or defense bureaucrat born before 1980 will weight them very seriously (age 43 and up). The Russian military weighting of these factors is probably higher even than their American equivalents, mostly due to the disastrous impact of WW2 on the Russian people.

    This is why the expansion of NATO and USA emplacement of missiles in Eastern Europe is viewed as existential by Russian military leaders. These actions by the West move us directly back to the Cold War with its Mutually Assured Destruction status. Western leaders know these moves are aggressive and simply believe they can pull it off. This mindset makes things even worse for Russia because it simply emphasizes how foolishly aggressive these Western moves really are.

    In the West most of the military officers who understood these issues retired after 1990. Additionally, the caliber of people inducted into the US military started a steep decline in 1973 (end of the draft), so the US leadership has very few "steely-eyed missile men" who understand the tradeoffs between a nuclear armed standoff and diplomacy.

    , @Philip Owen
    @Mr. XYZ

    Ukraine (and to a lesser extent Georgia) mined all the USSRs titanium. Russia processed it. Now Russia has to pay China, who needs it themselves, top dollar plus for the titanium. In terms of processed product Ukraine did better steel forging, for example.

    There are other shortages. Eggs we know of.

    https://www.vzsar.ru/news/2023/12/22/na-teatralnoy-ploschadi-proydet-yarmarka-informacii-o-deshevyh-yaycah-net.html

    Chicken meat and pork will be problems next then milk and vegetables.

    Russia built a huge new factory farming industry after the self imposed sanctions of 2014. It was built with the latest EU gear and has been very productive providing 70%+ of consumption. However, the equipment companies keep their revenues flowing by providing the breeding stock and formulations for young animals. The exact breed of animal is important. Farms are sized according to their reproduction and maturation rates and things like age of transition from one feed to another. The wrong feed to young animals can affect this. So, Russia continued to buy 3 day old chicks or hatching eggs from the Netherlands and the feedstuff. Since sanctions, this has not been possible. The pharmaceuticals haven't been available either.

    Without new genetics for laying hens, broilers, pigs and cows, not to mention seeds for glasshouses (and then all the commercial sugar beet seeds in the world come from Northern Italy/Southern France) Russian agricultural output is in inevitable decline. This was masked by imports of eggs from China. However the bombinb of the tunnel, although it didn't go to China, disrupted the railway system and eggs lost priority. Hence the current shortage. Russia is now negotiating with Iran and Turkey for eggs.

    Replies: @QCIC

  131. @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    I wonder if Ukraine's accession to the EU will be a Trojan Horse which breaks up NATO?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Why would it? Finland’s accession to the EU long before it joined NATO did not threaten NATO in any meaningful way. Ditto for Sweden’s EU accession. And Austria’s EU accession as well.

    • LOL: S
  132. @AP
    @Beckow


    You have a point there. Ukraine started with 50 million in 1991 – that ‘independence’ has really worked out well for them.
     
    Losing ethnic Russians hostile to Ukraine is a plus. Algeria was once part of France - it is good that France lost it, too.

    Russia has already won: they will keep the territories and there will not be Nato in Ukraine.
     
    Which wasn't in NATO anyways. Although Ukraine now has far more NATO weapons than it ever did or would have if not for the Russian invasion. And there will now be Americans in NATO bases in Finland.

    Russia also won because Ukraine does not aircraft carriers and won't.

    Russia has also won because Ukraine does not have space lasers and won't.

    You are playing games with semantics
     
    You are conveniently considering a win, something that did not exist before the war. Playing games with unlikely possibilities.

    by your definition of war victory as being only if all maximal goals are reached
     
    Victory would be if most (not necessarily all) goals are reached, and/or the country ends up stronger than before.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    Losing ethnic Russians hostile to Ukraine is a plus. Algeria was once part of France – it is good that France lost it, too.

    Losing these ethnic Russians was definitely a plus before the start of the war. Nowadays the rest of Ukraine is so hostile towards Russia that it makes no difference whether or not Crimea and the Donbass will ever rejoin Ukraine.

    Agreed that France losing Algeria was a huge plus. Ditto for India losing Pakistan and Bangladesh in 1947. Ditto for Serbia losing Kosovo, probably. Though maybe it would have been nice for Serbia to keep Serb-majority northern Kosovo. Israel losing most of the West Bank could also be a plus if Israel will actually install and keep in place a friendly satellite regime there. Similarly, Poland losing the Kresy has done wonders for Polish-Ukrainian relations decades later and beyond, though it would have been very nice if the Volhynian Massacres, et cetera could have been completely avoided back in the 1940s. Russia losing Chechnya would be a plus (less of a money drain in the Caucasus), though then pro-Western liberals couldn’t impose the LGBTQ+ ideology and agenda onto Chechnya, something which frankly Chechens REALLY deserve to get imposed upon them so that their extremely brutal and violent homophobia and toxic masculinity will finally end.

    So, Yeah, sometimes smaller really is better.

  133. • Replies: @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Curious, as crows are carrion feeders, so one would think that would go against their genetic intincts. Maybe, it was mad that traffic was being held up, and not actually killing anything.

    Crows do sometimes enjoy to harass animals, like pull the tails of cats or dogs.

    So far, nobody has tried to combine the natural aggressiveness of Canada geese with Prussian discipline.

    The first nation to do so (and it could be Canada), may unlock a powerful new weapon.

    https://youtu.be/5kT3yEhyPeg?si=rnP-4fjT88GpFYiw
    https://youtu.be/2P4NxUzkbKc?si=tRigHpEMljUQjYmg

    Replies: @LatW, @S

  134. @Sher Singh


    https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1740390900537434583?s=20

    Replies: @songbird

    Curious, as crows are carrion feeders, so one would think that would go against their genetic intincts. Maybe, it was mad that traffic was being held up, and not actually killing anything.

    Crows do sometimes enjoy to harass animals, like pull the tails of cats or dogs.

    [MORE]

    So far, nobody has tried to combine the natural aggressiveness of Canada geese with Prussian discipline.

    The first nation to do so (and it could be Canada), may unlock a powerful new weapon.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @songbird


    Curious, as crows are carrion feeders, so one would think that would go against their genetic intincts.
     
    The reality might be more sad than it appears - some readers after watching this video suggested that the crow is in fact trying to peck and eat the hedgehog, instead of helping it. Normally, the hedgehog would roll up in a ball to protect himself in this kind of a situation. Funny video. Nasty crows should not pick on hedgehogs - there is so much other food out there (especially in the city). Poor hedgehog. We sometimes bring them milk.

    The first nation to do so (and it could be Canada), may unlock a powerful new weapon.
     
    Well, along with the deadly mosquitos and battle dolphins (but I think those are fairy tales). :) That's just normal behavior for Canada geese, that's how they treat people - just another day for them, nothing to see here. :) Maybe they misbehave because of the Canadian liberal approach. :)

    Replies: @songbird

    , @S
    @songbird


    Curious, as crows are carrion feeders, so one would think that would go against their genetic intincts.
     
    Maybe the crow already had a full stomach and was just feeling in a good mood that day.

    A bit more seriously, crows are relatively intelligent. I've seen videos where a crow appears to be sharing it's food with a dog. So, I suppose it's not an impossibility.

    I've seen other videos of animals where people get carried way on what they think they're seeing, however. A common one is of a young woman singing on the edge of a grassy field, and before long a crowd of cows will appear and surround her. People think, aha, she has a special talent to speak to cows in a special language only they and she understand. But then you see all the other videos on YouTube, where whether it be an accordion being played, a tuba, or, banging on a trashcan lid, the cows will do exactly the same thing.

    I suspect the cows are in reality just curious about what could possibly be making all the racket, and from past experience know, they might just get a food treat for all their trouble from this friendly human besides. :-)

    Replies: @songbird

  135. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    The public space missions may not be the only activity. : )

    Any word yet on Eric Davis at the Sol Foundation Stanford meeting? I still have not seen even a mention of his name except the original announcement where is on the agenda.

    Replies: @songbird

    People sometimes say, “Where are all the aliens?”. Because we don’t see a growing area of stars dimming across the galaxy.

    But I wonder if anyone has done the calculations on how many aliens could reasonably be hiding within our solar system, without us noticing, just for the sake of argument. Like, if you tunnelled out the bigger asteroids, that would easily be more surface area than the Earth. How many places have we really gotten a close look at? Would we notice some ten mile long ship that was in orbit around Neptune? Probably not.

    As long as they weren’t wokes, or too aggressive, I’d think they would want to study us from afar.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    John Von Neumann said that nuclear tech leads to subsequent extinction in short time inevitably; hence no little green men. Mr. Spock is not logical to exist. Johnny probably didn't believe in fairies either.

    Replies: @songbird

  136. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Well, at least this war secured an EU membership perspective for Ukraine, which is worth a lot (as well as reinvigorating the EU in general). It also opened the West's doors to millions of Ukrainians. Not small achievements.

    The Iraq War might have been worth it. Barely. At least Iraqis have democracy right now, albeit a very flawed and very corrupt form of democracy (unfortunately widespread in much of the developing world). Also possibly greater free speech, freedom of assembly, et cetera rights. I'd probably prefer to deal with Shi'a militias than with Saddam Hussein's extremely brutal regime, though obviously both are extremely unpleasant to deal with.

    The Libya War could potentially be worth it in the future if Libyans will actually succeed in building a functioning, democratic, and prosperous state. They certainly have a lot of oil going for them. As of right now, though, unfortunately this war was not worth it. Obama was right. NATO needed a "day after" plan in Libya after overthrowing Gaddafi if it was going to do it.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234, @Beckow

    Well, at least this war secured an EU membership perspective for Ukraine, which is worth a lot

    LOL – the same nothing “EU membership perspective” they have had since 1991, 2004, 2014 and Turkey ( an actual decently run country) has had for decades you POS? It is beyond evil and gives a very bad precedent to use not democratic/economic/legal reforms but war ( and with it embarrassingly high kamikaze deaths of the ukronazis), the extinction of “Ukrainians” to entice the fake perspective ( or even a real perspective) of membership……..particularly when the same fundamental problems of hopeless governance, inability to do reforms and mass corruption have never shown ANY progress, and the conditions for them to get even worse are there now.

    as well as reinvigorating the EU in general

    A completely nothing, irrelevant statement. All it did is emphasise how interconnected NATO &EU issue is ( one of Russia’s main points you cretin).

    It also opened the West’s doors to millions of Ukrainians

    Am I reading this stupid nonsense correct? Millions of ukrops were ALREADY in the EU working as toilet cleaners and prostitutes you idiot. Just like millions of Turks have been in Germany for over 50 years, million plus Moldovans, millions of Albanians, Serbs wanting to work high quality jobs in Germany or Czech Republic are easily doing so, millions of Syrians in Germany, about a billion Iranians in every single EU country. Africans. Indians.
    For sure, Poland isn’t the west – and you are talking about countries like France, UK, Germany ,Holland, Spain etc but the point is still correct.

    As has been proven numerous time, opening doors to people from hopelessly corrupt, failed shithole countries like Ukraine – where every effort has been made ( and failed hopelessly) to make them more “western” in democracy, finance, court system , governance etc (including western foreigners directly controlling government positions)…….it does not and will not make them more western when they go back to the 404.

    The Iraq War might have been worth it. Barely. At least Iraqis have democracy right now, albeit a very flawed and very corrupt form of democracy

    And the Holocaust was “worth it” because of the creation of Israel, World Trade Centre attack was “worth it” because with the new building the skyline of New York was improved……..
    Any dipshit can wait 30,50,100 years as the world advances and can say any bad event was “good” for it you idiot.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Gerard1234


    And the Holocaust was “worth it” because of the creation of Israel,
     
    Frankly, the creation of Israel has unfortunately turned some Jewish right-wingers into chauvinistic assholes, so I can't say that Israel's creation has been an unequivocal positive. I'd gladly trade no Holocaust in exchange for no Israel.
  137. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Russian oligarchs getting their hands on Ukrainian resources was probably a more important reason for this invasion than was hypothetical NATO membership.

     

    Possibly, along with having Russia secure as much hopefully-pliable human capital from Ukraine as possible in order to regain its lost superpower status. Ukraine's human capital is also a part of its value for the West, along with its lithium and agricultural land. The Western hive mind benefits from growing even more, after all.

    FWIW, I do believe that Russia's leadership drank its own Kool-Aid in regards to NATO, but Yes, you're obviously right that there was very likely more to it than just that.

    I wonder if preventing Russia's ally China from securing Ukrainian lithium deposits would be a more attractive way of framing Western/US support of Ukraine in such a way that appeals to anti-China right-wingers, such as US Republicans. I suspect that it would be, at least marginally.

    Are there any other important natural resources in Ukraine besides lithium?

    As a side note, I suspect that even if Ukraine were to retake the Crimean Corridor, Russia and China would not suffer from a lithium shortage too badly 'coz they could always rely on the Taliban in Afghanistan to sell them lithium at discount prices, no? I mean, it's not like the West will be making investments in Taliban-run Afghanistan anytime soon.

    Also, I wonder if Afghanistan's natural resources would make federalization a difficult sell for Afghans even in the event that the Taliban will ever get ousted from power there again and replaced with a better government (unlikely in the near-term, but who knows about the long-term, right?). Federalization is harder when different groups compete over natural resources. This is also why I don't think that federalization would work for Iraq very well in terms of splitting Iraq into three federal states (Sunni Arab, Shi'a Arab, and Kurd). The Sunni Arab federal state within Iraq in such a scenario wouldn't have many natural resources, after all.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Philip Owen

    Were you two alarmed by the standoff in the 1980s between NATO and the Warsaw pact? Were you concerned by the state of nuclear weapons on both sides and rumors of near-misses? Were you glad when things cooled off and the alert status of nuclear forces was reduced and treaties led to a massive reduction in the number of nuclear weapons?

    It seems you weight these type of concerns as they relate to Ukraine and the SMO very lightly . On the other hand I think any Russian military leader or military industrial leader or defense bureaucrat born before 1980 will weight them very seriously (age 43 and up). The Russian military weighting of these factors is probably higher even than their American equivalents, mostly due to the disastrous impact of WW2 on the Russian people.

    This is why the expansion of NATO and USA emplacement of missiles in Eastern Europe is viewed as existential by Russian military leaders. These actions by the West move us directly back to the Cold War with its Mutually Assured Destruction status. Western leaders know these moves are aggressive and simply believe they can pull it off. This mindset makes things even worse for Russia because it simply emphasizes how foolishly aggressive these Western moves really are.

    In the West most of the military officers who understood these issues retired after 1990. Additionally, the caliber of people inducted into the US military started a steep decline in 1973 (end of the draft), so the US leadership has very few “steely-eyed missile men” who understand the tradeoffs between a nuclear armed standoff and diplomacy.

  138. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    No, just a smaller win. Russia has already won: they will keep the territories and there will not be Nato in Ukraine. The maximalist objectives can be reached or not – like the level of demilitarization or who rules in Kiev. If they are reached it will be a massive win for Russia and a catastrophic defeat for Kiev. But smaller win is also a win. You are playing games with semantics – by your definition of war victory as being only if all maximal goals are reached there would be very few “victories”.

     

    You think that 100,000+ dead Russians is a price worth paying for all of this? I certainly don't.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Gerard1234

    You think that 100,000+ dead Russians is a price worth paying for all of this? I certainly don’t.

    LMAO. Of course it makes a pathetic loser like you feel better by saying “100000+ Russians dead” nonsense to try and self-justify your presence here……but of course it has zero connection to reality

    This has been one of the most one-sided wars in history, with embarrassingly high kill ratios in Russia’s favour as the denazification is going very well you idiot. Another positive addition to our proud and succesful military history.

    With one of the smallest forces ever (less than 100000 +LDNR) in relation to opposition ukrop/NATO forces ….we were able to capture enormous section of Ukraine, and key infrastructure and incinerate enormous numbers of “Ukrainians”. Key goals achieved of Lugansk basically liberated, Azov coast control, landbridge to Crimea, key cities liberated , Zaporizhzhia NPP taken over, Black Sea Coast control. Defeated what billions of NATO money and man-hours of work had tried to stop.

    Russia hasn’t even got forced into a full mobilisation in all this time. The partial mobilisation had NOTHING to do with casualties you braindead prick , because our casualties have been very low. Very sad but very low. With that same, very small number of forces from February 2022, we had a long frontline overextended by numbers required for administration, engineering, security needed deep past line of contact . Frontline was static before announcement of partial mobilisation( sitting duck territory with everybody evacuated does not count) , and it was static AFTER mobilisation complete and implemented – even though the lag-time is about 3-4 months between the 2 stages.

    It’s self-explanatory why Russian military was not in anyway vulnerable to Ukrop attacks during the lag-period of the 3-4 months you idiot. Or was there ANY talk from the pussy ukronazis of using this time to make gains on the frontline.
    Ukrop soldiers get paid 3 times more each day for operations in attack , compared to operations in defence I should add. Or to be more accurate – their widows are owed that money.

    Since then , the vast majority of those in the partial mobilisation of Russia have not fired a single thing in the SMO. Russia very busy rebuilding cities and building federal road to Crimea through landbridge territory, water canal to Donbass ( already complete), Surovikin line and many infrastrucure projects you dumb prick. A side suffering “heavy casualties” does not do things like that you idiot ( particularly when there is also clear threat of long and medium range weapons given to 404 by NATO)

    Since then it has been the same – outnumbered (but not to the same level as in 2022) Russian forces inflicting castrophic numbers of ukronazi deaths. Frontline not dynamic but less static than before ( again in Russia’s favour as there is a long list of places liberated this year with 1000’s of ukronazi deaths in each of them). Multiples waves of mobilisation and multiple waves of disaster for 404 against zero for Russia.

    Any common sense, anecdotal, video evidence etc proves what I am saying to be correct, and your claims to be deluded BS.

    Russia gets millions of new citizens also , so the embarrassingly stupid “loss of 100000+, in addition to being total BS, does not take the millions of citizens gained into perspective. This war must have the lowest percentage of gunshot deaths/injuries in relation to those caused by heavy weaponry, deaths are going to be there, but ours are admirably low – but it is only showing itself in the vast number of ukronazi deaths you imbecile.

  139. Are you seriously comparing Finland to Ukraine? Finland may be the first country to leave NATO.

    Ukraine joining will cause no end of problems for the EU which will taint the overall relationship between the member states. The expiration date for NATO was about 20 years ago and through this painful process that point will become obvious to more people.

  140. @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Now perhaps this one is over my head, but I’m gonna ask.
     
    Ehem... ok, I'll post about this. I apologize in advance if some will find this "content" objectionable.

    Isn’t this the worst time of year for half naked?
     
    For these Moscow types who live by the day to show off seasons do not exist - every day is good enough for vanity, no matter what time of the year.

    Anyway, the last several days, there's a huge scandal raging on Russian media - this chick who has 18M followers on Instagram (I don't get how she can still use it, I thought it was banned in Russia), I'm not sure what to exactly call her, "a social lioness", I suspect she is some "high end" madame (who has herself previously had sugar daddies) since she is the editor of the Russian Playboy (they left), decided to throw a party for Russian celebrities called "Half way Naked" (or "Almost naked"). So a bunch of celebrities arrived, of all age groups, in sheer outfits. There was a very high entrance fee.


    What is this butt jewelry?
     
    This chick herself wore an outfit with an ornament on her backside, you can see it in this video below under More starting at about 3:05 (do not get scared by the beginning of the video, those mature crazy people are Kirkorov who is a famous gay singer and some older chick who ran off to Russia from Odessa after the invasion).

    She goes: "Have you ever seen $250K on a butt?" And then turns around to demonstrate it.

    All the Z patriots went crazy. Solovyov blamed them for the ship disasters. In the end, these "artists" and socialites had to make sobby public apologies.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gccpqO_4dZ8

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW, @AP, @Mr. Hack

    All the Z patriots went crazy. Solovyov blamed them for the ship disasters. In the end, these “artists” and socialites had to make sobby public apologies.

    Apologies? You mean that they didn’t obtain a license to have their party from the kremlin or from the good Patriarch Kirill?

    Lots of stuff on the internet about “almost naked animals”:

    Makes one wonder whether there’s any difference between these Russian patriots and animals?…

    Do you think that it would be presumptuous to expect that our local branch of kremlin stooges (Beckow, QCIC, Professor Jannissar, Averko, Geraldina) will host their own similar party to rival the festivities going on in Moscow? New Year’s Eve is only two days away? 🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    I forgot to mention Putler's #1 cheerleader at this website, my apologies kremlinstoogeA123, your efforts on his behalf have not gone unnoticed.

    , @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack

    Considering the numbers of performing artists who have got banned from performing in Latvia, even though guaranteed big crowds...you would think a stupid POS like LatW would keep quiet on the issue of outrage at entertainment things.

    I want our soldiers to have an enjoyable New Year celebration also - and I am sure most of them will.

    Its a standard story you idiot Mr Hack anyway. People are going to enjoy themselves, some normally, some too degenerate. Some people are not going be bothered, and others are going to massively react - sometimes genuine, sometimes hypocritically. A lot of the same people involved do the same things every year it appears to me

    Anyway, compare the New Year in Moscow, Kazan, SP......anywhere in Russia to the curfew one in Kiev, LMAO. Maybe these hopeless dipshits in Banderastan will just change the clock in 404 into GMT or one of the American timezones to honour their western masters and avoid curfew to witness the New Year, as these prostitutes have done with the Christmas Day.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @LatW
    @Mr. Hack


    Do you think that it would be presumptuous to expect that our local branch of kremlin stooges (Beckow, QCIC, Professor Jannissar, Averko, Geraldina) will host their own similar party to rival the festivities going on in Moscow?
     
    Are you sure you want to picture a half-naked Geraldina playing the piano? Oh, no, what has been seen, cannot be unseen.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  141. @Mr. Hack
    @LatW


    All the Z patriots went crazy. Solovyov blamed them for the ship disasters. In the end, these “artists” and socialites had to make sobby public apologies.
     
    Apologies? You mean that they didn't obtain a license to have their party from the kremlin or from the good Patriarch Kirill?

    Lots of stuff on the internet about "almost naked animals":

    https://youtu.be/rvS8krBp4Ic

    Makes one wonder whether there's any difference between these Russian patriots and animals?...

    Do you think that it would be presumptuous to expect that our local branch of kremlin stooges (Beckow, QCIC, Professor Jannissar, Averko, Geraldina) will host their own similar party to rival the festivities going on in Moscow? New Year's Eve is only two days away? :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234, @LatW

    I forgot to mention Putler’s #1 cheerleader at this website, my apologies kremlinstoogeA123, your efforts on his behalf have not gone unnoticed.

  142. @Mr. Hack
    @LatW


    All the Z patriots went crazy. Solovyov blamed them for the ship disasters. In the end, these “artists” and socialites had to make sobby public apologies.
     
    Apologies? You mean that they didn't obtain a license to have their party from the kremlin or from the good Patriarch Kirill?

    Lots of stuff on the internet about "almost naked animals":

    https://youtu.be/rvS8krBp4Ic

    Makes one wonder whether there's any difference between these Russian patriots and animals?...

    Do you think that it would be presumptuous to expect that our local branch of kremlin stooges (Beckow, QCIC, Professor Jannissar, Averko, Geraldina) will host their own similar party to rival the festivities going on in Moscow? New Year's Eve is only two days away? :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234, @LatW

    Considering the numbers of performing artists who have got banned from performing in Latvia, even though guaranteed big crowds…you would think a stupid POS like LatW would keep quiet on the issue of outrage at entertainment things.

    I want our soldiers to have an enjoyable New Year celebration also – and I am sure most of them will.

    Its a standard story you idiot Mr Hack anyway. People are going to enjoy themselves, some normally, some too degenerate. Some people are not going be bothered, and others are going to massively react – sometimes genuine, sometimes hypocritically. A lot of the same people involved do the same things every year it appears to me

    Anyway, compare the New Year in Moscow, Kazan, SP……anywhere in Russia to the curfew one in Kiev, LMAO. Maybe these hopeless dipshits in Banderastan will just change the clock in 404 into GMT or one of the American timezones to honour their western masters and avoid curfew to witness the New Year, as these prostitutes have done with the Christmas Day.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234

    I'm glad to read that you approve of my idea of having your own"stooges for Putler almost naked party of support" somewhere in the West. Most of the stooges that flood this website live in the US, so trying to get them all to show up to that North British shanty town where you now live may prove to be difficult. Just saying...(I still can't believe that you left Mother Russia behind, your beautiful grand piano, the vegetable garden and dacha too...why, oh why Geraldina?). Are you one of those Russian drat dodgers thatI read so much about?

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  143. @Mr. XYZ
    @Barbarossa

    Makes one wonder whether Tajikistan should support Massoud's rebels in an attempt to secure some of that Afghan gold near Tajikistan's borders, as a part of a deal with Massoud in exchange for huge military assistance from Tajikistan?

    https://static1.straitstimes.com.sg/s3fs-public/articles/2021/08/26/online-210826-afghanistan-fdminerals.jpg?VersionId=BHxJ5W5bN0uYRVATSWV021ZmVRhycWx9

    But Massoud's National Resistance Front is probably way too weak to conquer this area by itself, which the Taliban will likely defend to the hilt.

    Is Russia planning on becoming buddy-buddies with the Taliban? Does Russia have any value for these natural resources, or does Russia already have enough of its own ones?

    Replies: @AP, @Barbarossa, @Another Polish Perspective

    whether Tajikistan should support Massoud’s rebels in an attempt to secure some of that Afghan gold near Tajikistan’s borders

    I think that would be very unlikely. Any kind of reasonable scale mining requires too high a degree of infrastructure and stability which a weak resistance group would be unable to deliver. If the US can’t make it happen than Tajikistan certainly won’t be likely to.
    Plus, the Taliban are quite aware that mineral resources are their only path to any kind of economic stability and would not tolerate it.
    It seems like Afghanistan will be dominated by Chinese mining concerns for any foreseeable future, and as AP points out, there are plenty of sources of mineral wealth much closer to home for Russia.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Barbarossa

    Any chance that we could eventually see a USSR-style breakup of Afghanistan, such as if the Taliban's rule there will ever significantly destabilize? Or, if you want other examples of this, Austria-Hungary 1918, Czechoslovakia 1993, Yugoslavia 1991+, British India 1947, the Ottoman Empire 1918, and the Russian Empire 1917-1918.

    I also wonder if Burma could see a similar breakup if the military junta there is overthrown sooner or later.

    Replies: @A123

  144. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    I’ve got a question for AP: Does the collapse of the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia indicate that Austria-Hungary was more likely than not to eventually fail even without World War I?
     
    Who knows? It collapsed due to World War I and the idiotic and malevolent Wilson pushing for it. Under different conditions it could have evolved into a sort of giant Switzerland.

    For Poles, Austria was a sanctuary compared to the Russian and German Empires. For Ukrainians, it was the same vis a vis Russia. As long as those existed there was no real separatism. Croats and Slovenes seems to have been loyal. Slovaks don't rebel, they serve. Czechs hadn't rebelled in centuries, and they lived well and had a healthy cultural life, Masaryk originally wanted to reform A-H into a federation. Hungarians were potential troublemakers, they didn't want their Slovak slaves taken away.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Mr. XYZ

    In good times, it seems to work well. People like me, who prefer to downplay their specific ethnic identity (not ignore it or pretend it doesn’t exist) and get along with those who are similar to them (while preferring to keep a distance from those who are ‘too’ different) are happy. But when times get hard, ethnicities become highly problematic fault lines along which societies are constantly at risk of breaking up. Nothing is guaranteed though, so some formula might have been (might still be) found. Latin America seems well past the point that anyone would dream up ‘ethnic histories’ to divide people with, so the risk that any of them would break up along ethnic lines is probably quite small (perhaps non-existent).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @silviosilver

    Latin America has much more race mixing than Austria-Hungary had, no?

  145. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Well, at least this war secured an EU membership perspective for Ukraine, which is worth a lot (as well as reinvigorating the EU in general). It also opened the West's doors to millions of Ukrainians. Not small achievements.

    The Iraq War might have been worth it. Barely. At least Iraqis have democracy right now, albeit a very flawed and very corrupt form of democracy (unfortunately widespread in much of the developing world). Also possibly greater free speech, freedom of assembly, et cetera rights. I'd probably prefer to deal with Shi'a militias than with Saddam Hussein's extremely brutal regime, though obviously both are extremely unpleasant to deal with.

    The Libya War could potentially be worth it in the future if Libyans will actually succeed in building a functioning, democratic, and prosperous state. They certainly have a lot of oil going for them. As of right now, though, unfortunately this war was not worth it. Obama was right. NATO needed a "day after" plan in Libya after overthrowing Gaddafi if it was going to do it.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234, @Beckow

    …at least this war secured an EU membership perspective for Ukraine, which is worth a lot (as well as reinvigorating the EU in general).

    EU is today a dead-man walking – you haven’t noticed? EU peaked in 2005-15, then Brexit, migrants, covid and the disastrous Ukie war dramatically weakened it. That is not my opinion, it is officially discussed in Brussels. There are attempts to reinvigorate EU: centralise taxes-budgets with common EU bonds, abolish ‘veto’, expansion, but also shrinkage -many would like smaller, richer original EU.

    In the meantime all else is on hold – only hot air promises. Ukraine’s chance is actually less than in 2014 or 2010. The zeitgeist has changed and nobody is joining. It is too expensive and the rules can’t be negotiated.

    If EU expands – Serbia, Bosnia, Albania, Ukraine, Moldova…it would have to be all of them – the financial balance would literally collapse. UK was the second largest contributor, now it is all on Germany-Holland-Austria-Nordics (France has a deal to “break even”). And Italy is slipping into a country needing heavy subsidies. The expansion simply can’t work – do you understand numbers? The speeches for the Ukies and others are just that: empty political promises – in 1990’s-2000’s the same game was played with Turkey for political gain, then Erdogan got elected.

    Kiev made a fatal strategic error: the attraction of Ukraine was for EU business to get back-door access to the huge Russian market: set-up in Ukraine with cheaper labor, close access, language – use it to sell EU products to Russia. That was the plan, that’s what people discussed behind the scene, how to convince Russia to allow it, to buy them. Then the stupid Ukie nationalists and the neo-cons with their Nato obsession blew it.

    That’s the story – all else is bloody nonsense by irrational dreamers….”perspective?”, what the f..k is that? Go outside and look at the sky if all you want is “perspective”. It is about as real.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Beckow


    Kiev made a fatal strategic error: the attraction of Ukraine was for EU business to get back-door access to the huge Russian market: set-up in Ukraine with cheaper labor, close access, language – use it to sell EU products to Russia. That was the plan, that’s what people discussed behind the scene, how to convince Russia to allow it, to buy them. Then the stupid Ukie nationalists and the neo-cons with their Nato obsession blew it
     
    Magnificent point.

    Its difficult to see what EU positively gets out of its actions with Ukraine against Russia. Maybe they view Ukrainian land itself ( and some of the Soviet infrastructure) as such a major prize that could bring great rewards if managed by them and not the Ukrainians. Cheap labour is another of course. But even that vast source of labour is easier to find from other sources than replacement of Russian oil and gas is.

    Russia a mass market for European goods and services - from fruits to high tech machines and luxury goods. Ukraine is non-of those. Several of the major international companies have large operations, factories in Russia employing masses of Russians..............404 had non of that.
    Russia has companies that are well run and generating significant share profits/dividends for western shareholders......Ukraine has none.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    Kiev made a fatal strategic error: the attraction of Ukraine was for EU business to get back-door access to the huge Russian market: set-up in Ukraine with cheaper labor, close access, language – use it to sell EU products to Russia. That was the plan,
     
    I don't remember that that was the plan that was discussed "behind closed doors" although it makes sense and quite possibly was. I do remember reading about a similar reverse scenario where those that were promoting the idea of EU integration were touting that Ukraine could become a huge transfer buffer zone for Russia where its own goods could be exported into Europe somehow legally getting around European tariffs and taxes. I believe the plan also included the possibility of using Russian owned businesses and factories in Ukraine. Yeah, it could have been good for everybody involved, but the overgrown neanderthal to the north decided to "rid Ukraine of Nazis" and we now have, as the saying goes, what we have. :-(

    https://www.chappatte.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb/public/import_ld/L220226ce-small.jpg?itok=fCozxoog
    , @silviosilver
    @Beckow


    Kiev made a fatal strategic error: the attraction of Ukraine was for EU business to get back-door access to the huge Russian market: set-up in Ukraine with cheaper labor, close access, language – use it to sell EU products to Russia. That was the plan, that’s what people discussed behind the scene, how to convince Russia to allow it, to buy them. Then the stupid Ukie nationalists and the neo-cons with their Nato obsession blew it.
     
    That's actually a pretty good summary. Being the good little pro-Russia bootlicker that you are, what you leave out of the story, of course, is that being Russia's bitch wasn't really working out too well for Ukrainians either. That's why Russia-first retards have to play stupid games like "Ukrainians don't really exist," trying to gaslight Ukrainians into compliance. All that achieved was pissing off more Ukrainians than ever. Nice work guys. Like, what is it with these goddam megalomaniacal, narcissistic, control-freak Russian fucks who think theirs are the only legitimate interests on the planet? They never really learned to play with the other kids. For this reason alone, anyone whose basic attitude is "fuck Russia" automatically gets sympathy from me.

    Replies: @Beckow

  146. @AP
    @Beckow


    You have a point there. Ukraine started with 50 million in 1991 – that ‘independence’ has really worked out well for them.
     
    Losing ethnic Russians hostile to Ukraine is a plus. Algeria was once part of France - it is good that France lost it, too.

    Russia has already won: they will keep the territories and there will not be Nato in Ukraine.
     
    Which wasn't in NATO anyways. Although Ukraine now has far more NATO weapons than it ever did or would have if not for the Russian invasion. And there will now be Americans in NATO bases in Finland.

    Russia also won because Ukraine does not aircraft carriers and won't.

    Russia has also won because Ukraine does not have space lasers and won't.

    You are playing games with semantics
     
    You are conveniently considering a win, something that did not exist before the war. Playing games with unlikely possibilities.

    by your definition of war victory as being only if all maximal goals are reached
     
    Victory would be if most (not necessarily all) goals are reached, and/or the country ends up stronger than before.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    You are conveniently considering a win, something that did not exist before the war. Playing games with unlikely possibilities.

    What? In 2021 Kiev controlled Azov sea and land access to Crimea, today Russia does. Nato from highest levels was declaring that “Ukraine will be in Nato”, and so was Zelko.

    Now you are down to “but we got Nato arms, blabla…” – temporary situation that is of no long-term consequence. When was the last time a Nato leader said that “Ukraine will be in Nato, shut-up Russia! it is none of your business!“…in 2014-21 they were literally saying it all the time, Bush even said it in 2008.

    It is a climb-down of enormous proportions and consequences. You refuse to see it because it hurts to acknowledge it. But people running it know. It has been a catastrophic mistake. None of it had to happen if Kiev acted rationally – no banning of the Russian language and bombing of civilians in Donbas. No “kill the Moskali” and Odessa massacre – the undisciplined local idiocy that got out of hand.

    It’s too late, there is no way back. Ukraine that could have been is gone – it will be a smaller, poorer, less attractive country to business and EU, with tragic losses. In 5 years you will accept it, now you are in the anger-denial phase.

    You still hope for a miracle…you believe in Zelko-the-shaman who was supposed to bring the rain. Do you know what they do to a shaman when the rains don’t come?

  147. @Mr. XYZ
    @Barbarossa

    Makes one wonder whether Tajikistan should support Massoud's rebels in an attempt to secure some of that Afghan gold near Tajikistan's borders, as a part of a deal with Massoud in exchange for huge military assistance from Tajikistan?

    https://static1.straitstimes.com.sg/s3fs-public/articles/2021/08/26/online-210826-afghanistan-fdminerals.jpg?VersionId=BHxJ5W5bN0uYRVATSWV021ZmVRhycWx9

    But Massoud's National Resistance Front is probably way too weak to conquer this area by itself, which the Taliban will likely defend to the hilt.

    Is Russia planning on becoming buddy-buddies with the Taliban? Does Russia have any value for these natural resources, or does Russia already have enough of its own ones?

    Replies: @AP, @Barbarossa, @Another Polish Perspective

    Afghanistan was allegedly known in antiquity as “tin mountains”, tin being in demand for bronze.

  148. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...at least this war secured an EU membership perspective for Ukraine, which is worth a lot (as well as reinvigorating the EU in general).
     
    EU is today a dead-man walking - you haven't noticed? EU peaked in 2005-15, then Brexit, migrants, covid and the disastrous Ukie war dramatically weakened it. That is not my opinion, it is officially discussed in Brussels. There are attempts to reinvigorate EU: centralise taxes-budgets with common EU bonds, abolish 'veto', expansion, but also shrinkage -many would like smaller, richer original EU.

    In the meantime all else is on hold - only hot air promises. Ukraine's chance is actually less than in 2014 or 2010. The zeitgeist has changed and nobody is joining. It is too expensive and the rules can't be negotiated.

    If EU expands - Serbia, Bosnia, Albania, Ukraine, Moldova...it would have to be all of them - the financial balance would literally collapse. UK was the second largest contributor, now it is all on Germany-Holland-Austria-Nordics (France has a deal to "break even"). And Italy is slipping into a country needing heavy subsidies. The expansion simply can't work - do you understand numbers? The speeches for the Ukies and others are just that: empty political promises - in 1990's-2000's the same game was played with Turkey for political gain, then Erdogan got elected.

    Kiev made a fatal strategic error: the attraction of Ukraine was for EU business to get back-door access to the huge Russian market: set-up in Ukraine with cheaper labor, close access, language - use it to sell EU products to Russia. That was the plan, that's what people discussed behind the scene, how to convince Russia to allow it, to buy them. Then the stupid Ukie nationalists and the neo-cons with their Nato obsession blew it.

    That's the story - all else is bloody nonsense by irrational dreamers...."perspective?", what the f..k is that? Go outside and look at the sky if all you want is "perspective". It is about as real.

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Mr. Hack, @silviosilver

    Kiev made a fatal strategic error: the attraction of Ukraine was for EU business to get back-door access to the huge Russian market: set-up in Ukraine with cheaper labor, close access, language – use it to sell EU products to Russia. That was the plan, that’s what people discussed behind the scene, how to convince Russia to allow it, to buy them. Then the stupid Ukie nationalists and the neo-cons with their Nato obsession blew it

    Magnificent point.

    Its difficult to see what EU positively gets out of its actions with Ukraine against Russia. Maybe they view Ukrainian land itself ( and some of the Soviet infrastructure) as such a major prize that could bring great rewards if managed by them and not the Ukrainians. Cheap labour is another of course. But even that vast source of labour is easier to find from other sources than replacement of Russian oil and gas is.

    Russia a mass market for European goods and services – from fruits to high tech machines and luxury goods. Ukraine is non-of those. Several of the major international companies have large operations, factories in Russia employing masses of Russians…………..404 had non of that.
    Russia has companies that are well run and generating significant share profits/dividends for western shareholders……Ukraine has none.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Gerard1234


    Its difficult to see what EU positively gets out of its actions with Ukraine against Russia.
     
    There are two obvious "wins" for EU Elites.

    -1- It breaks up Eastern European unity standing against Brussels extremism. The Visegrád 4 had been solid. Now Poland and Hungary spend effort working against each other. It also disturbed the Polish internal politics to the point where pro-EU Tusk won.

    -2- It facilitates migration. Forged Ukrainian identity documents are readily available. Over 1/3 of "Ukrainian refugees" are actually MENA and Sub-Saharan Muslims. Thus it serves a key goal of diluting native European, Christian values and identity.
    ___

    Beckow is correct that the EU is in decline. Letting in non-productive Islamists is an unaffordable burden. Also, admitting Ukraine would blow up financing of the Common Agricultural Policy [CAP].

    The only way to save the EU is extensive Muslim Decolonization. Will Germany & France wake up in time? Elite establishment rule is strong and they are suppressing Christian natives advocating meaningful change.

    PEACE 😇

  149. @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    People sometimes say, "Where are all the aliens?". Because we don't see a growing area of stars dimming across the galaxy.

    But I wonder if anyone has done the calculations on how many aliens could reasonably be hiding within our solar system, without us noticing, just for the sake of argument. Like, if you tunnelled out the bigger asteroids, that would easily be more surface area than the Earth. How many places have we really gotten a close look at? Would we notice some ten mile long ship that was in orbit around Neptune? Probably not.

    As long as they weren't wokes, or too aggressive, I'd think they would want to study us from afar.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    John Von Neumann said that nuclear tech leads to subsequent extinction in short time inevitably; hence no little green men. Mr. Spock is not logical to exist. Johnny probably didn’t believe in fairies either.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    IIRC, Freeman Dyson seemed to think nuclear bombs dropping would be no big deal, if there were underground shelters.

    Me, I'd be worried that, in such a situation, we wouldn't get that 30-35min warning from intercontinental ballistics launching, but they would have submersible delivery drones right off the coast, nearly crawling on the beaches, or bombs in a container ship in harbor. And that, if it could be planned for, in theory, to store the necessary supplies and equipment, the government is way too incompetent to do so.

  150. @Gerard1234
    @Beckow


    Kiev made a fatal strategic error: the attraction of Ukraine was for EU business to get back-door access to the huge Russian market: set-up in Ukraine with cheaper labor, close access, language – use it to sell EU products to Russia. That was the plan, that’s what people discussed behind the scene, how to convince Russia to allow it, to buy them. Then the stupid Ukie nationalists and the neo-cons with their Nato obsession blew it
     
    Magnificent point.

    Its difficult to see what EU positively gets out of its actions with Ukraine against Russia. Maybe they view Ukrainian land itself ( and some of the Soviet infrastructure) as such a major prize that could bring great rewards if managed by them and not the Ukrainians. Cheap labour is another of course. But even that vast source of labour is easier to find from other sources than replacement of Russian oil and gas is.

    Russia a mass market for European goods and services - from fruits to high tech machines and luxury goods. Ukraine is non-of those. Several of the major international companies have large operations, factories in Russia employing masses of Russians..............404 had non of that.
    Russia has companies that are well run and generating significant share profits/dividends for western shareholders......Ukraine has none.

    Replies: @A123

    Its difficult to see what EU positively gets out of its actions with Ukraine against Russia.

    There are two obvious “wins” for EU Elites.

    -1- It breaks up Eastern European unity standing against Brussels extremism. The Visegrád 4 had been solid. Now Poland and Hungary spend effort working against each other. It also disturbed the Polish internal politics to the point where pro-EU Tusk won.

    -2- It facilitates migration. Forged Ukrainian identity documents are readily available. Over 1/3 of “Ukrainian refugees” are actually MENA and Sub-Saharan Muslims. Thus it serves a key goal of diluting native European, Christian values and identity.
    ___

    Beckow is correct that the EU is in decline. Letting in non-productive Islamists is an unaffordable burden. Also, admitting Ukraine would blow up financing of the Common Agricultural Policy [CAP].

    The only way to save the EU is extensive Muslim Decolonization. Will Germany & France wake up in time? Elite establishment rule is strong and they are suppressing Christian natives advocating meaningful change.

    PEACE 😇

  151. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Beckow

    What was really impressive in Crimea was when they asked the military garrisons if they wanted to join Russia or stay in the Ukrainian forces and leave Crimea. I forget the exact figures, but something like 12,000 chose to go to Ukraine and 30,000-plus chose to stay.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @Verymuchalive

    I do remember that no one got killed as a result of Russia-Crimea unification, probably the first time that has happened since the Belgian Revolution of 1830. But I don’t recall the story about the Crimean garrison being given a free choice as to which side they wanted to pick, with the “Ukrainians” being permitted to depart peacefully from Crimea. Was the story suppressed by the Western MSM ? I would not be at all surprised. I would be very grateful if you could supply a source for this intriguing story.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Verymuchalive


    But I don’t recall the story about the Crimean garrison being given a free choice as to which side they wanted to pick, with the “Ukrainians” being permitted to depart peacefully from Crimea. Was the story suppressed by the Western MSM ?
     
    Of course it was, as it is “politically incorrect” in two ways.

    One, it would go against demonization of Russia and Putin, which is obligatory for the bought and paid for Western MSM.

    Two, ~90% of “Ukrainian” servicemen and women in Crimea chose to switch sides and serve in the RF military. That fact would kill the fairy tale of Western media about the feelings of Ukraine residents.

    So, you must see for yourself that this story could not have been reported by Western presstitutes.

  152. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    Ukraine has one of the largest lithium deposits in Europe (a reason why EU might be interested in Ukraine).* Two of Ukraine's lithium fields have been captured by Russia but the other two remain in Ukraine, in Kirovohrad province.

    https://tamarindo.global/articles/ukrainian-conflict-the-first-lithium-war/#:~:text=The%20Ukrainian%20Geological%20Survey%20has,in%20the%20Donetsk%20and%20Zaporizhzhia

    https://assets-global.website-files.com/6361890e4c4a65d7854edebd/643e7532bf7506406724e64a_Screenshot%202023-04-18%20at%2011.26.58.png

    Russian oligarchs getting their hands on Ukrainian resources was probably a more important reason for this invasion than was hypothetical NATO membership.


    * "...For the European Union, these deposits could represent an opportunity to reduce its dependence on foreign oil. At present, Australia, Argentina, Brazil, Chile (known as the "lithium triangle") and China hold most of the world's "white gold", so the Ukrainian deposits would help reduce lithium imports, which already account for 87% of total demand.

    By 2050, Europe's need for rare earths is expected to increase tenfold, and according to the World Bank, in this scenario, production of minerals such as lithium graphite should exceed 2018 production by more than 450%. "

    https://www.atalayar.com/en/articulo/economy-and-business/ukrainian-lithium-another-cause-russian-invasion/20220322182435155647.html

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234

    This is to your previous cretinous on the other thread:

    Ukraine “on level of Zimbabwe” has managed to wrest control of the western Black Sea from Russia and remains standing after almost 2 years of Russian invasion despite Russia having about 4.5. times more people.

    1. That is total BS about the Black Sea.
    2. Any actions in the Black Sea against Russia has been done entirely with western plans, western technology, western orders, western intelligence ( suspect mostly British), western testing . I suppose a fraud like you can try to mimic being Ukrainian by attaching yourself to this – parasiting off and serving foreign powers, claiming their work as your own

    3. Zimbabwe’s Tank program is equal (maybe even better) to the Ukrop “Oplot” tank program , which have of course been invisible in the SMO, lol.
    I suspect a bimbo as yourself would have cluelessly endlessly promoted the Oplot program before 2022 like the useless wakjob you are. Just WTF did these clowns do in the 8 year period on this ? Any its not just the T-84…….its everything.

    4. DOCTOR Mugabe managed to defeat the Europeans out of Zimbabwe. The “4.5 times population” is just you being an aimless bimbo idiot again. If Doctor Mugabe had cuckolded himself with 4 different groups and been kicked out of Harare 4 different times (after about 2 seconds each time) from 4 failed invasions ..then the great man would have been viewed as a joke, a failure…………in Banderastan that catastrophe would get him viewed as “Ukrainian National hero” like that Petliura wakjob serial failure. Zimbabwe is standing, Ukraine failure is not -its a complete disaster.

  153. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...at least this war secured an EU membership perspective for Ukraine, which is worth a lot (as well as reinvigorating the EU in general).
     
    EU is today a dead-man walking - you haven't noticed? EU peaked in 2005-15, then Brexit, migrants, covid and the disastrous Ukie war dramatically weakened it. That is not my opinion, it is officially discussed in Brussels. There are attempts to reinvigorate EU: centralise taxes-budgets with common EU bonds, abolish 'veto', expansion, but also shrinkage -many would like smaller, richer original EU.

    In the meantime all else is on hold - only hot air promises. Ukraine's chance is actually less than in 2014 or 2010. The zeitgeist has changed and nobody is joining. It is too expensive and the rules can't be negotiated.

    If EU expands - Serbia, Bosnia, Albania, Ukraine, Moldova...it would have to be all of them - the financial balance would literally collapse. UK was the second largest contributor, now it is all on Germany-Holland-Austria-Nordics (France has a deal to "break even"). And Italy is slipping into a country needing heavy subsidies. The expansion simply can't work - do you understand numbers? The speeches for the Ukies and others are just that: empty political promises - in 1990's-2000's the same game was played with Turkey for political gain, then Erdogan got elected.

    Kiev made a fatal strategic error: the attraction of Ukraine was for EU business to get back-door access to the huge Russian market: set-up in Ukraine with cheaper labor, close access, language - use it to sell EU products to Russia. That was the plan, that's what people discussed behind the scene, how to convince Russia to allow it, to buy them. Then the stupid Ukie nationalists and the neo-cons with their Nato obsession blew it.

    That's the story - all else is bloody nonsense by irrational dreamers...."perspective?", what the f..k is that? Go outside and look at the sky if all you want is "perspective". It is about as real.

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Mr. Hack, @silviosilver

    Kiev made a fatal strategic error: the attraction of Ukraine was for EU business to get back-door access to the huge Russian market: set-up in Ukraine with cheaper labor, close access, language – use it to sell EU products to Russia. That was the plan,

    I don’t remember that that was the plan that was discussed “behind closed doors” although it makes sense and quite possibly was. I do remember reading about a similar reverse scenario where those that were promoting the idea of EU integration were touting that Ukraine could become a huge transfer buffer zone for Russia where its own goods could be exported into Europe somehow legally getting around European tariffs and taxes. I believe the plan also included the possibility of using Russian owned businesses and factories in Ukraine. Yeah, it could have been good for everybody involved, but the overgrown neanderthal to the north decided to “rid Ukraine of Nazis” and we now have, as the saying goes, what we have. 🙁

  154. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack

    Considering the numbers of performing artists who have got banned from performing in Latvia, even though guaranteed big crowds...you would think a stupid POS like LatW would keep quiet on the issue of outrage at entertainment things.

    I want our soldiers to have an enjoyable New Year celebration also - and I am sure most of them will.

    Its a standard story you idiot Mr Hack anyway. People are going to enjoy themselves, some normally, some too degenerate. Some people are not going be bothered, and others are going to massively react - sometimes genuine, sometimes hypocritically. A lot of the same people involved do the same things every year it appears to me

    Anyway, compare the New Year in Moscow, Kazan, SP......anywhere in Russia to the curfew one in Kiev, LMAO. Maybe these hopeless dipshits in Banderastan will just change the clock in 404 into GMT or one of the American timezones to honour their western masters and avoid curfew to witness the New Year, as these prostitutes have done with the Christmas Day.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I’m glad to read that you approve of my idea of having your own”stooges for Putler almost naked party of support” somewhere in the West. Most of the stooges that flood this website live in the US, so trying to get them all to show up to that North British shanty town where you now live may prove to be difficult. Just saying…(I still can’t believe that you left Mother Russia behind, your beautiful grand piano, the vegetable garden and dacha too…why, oh why Geraldina?). Are you one of those Russian drat dodgers thatI read so much about?

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    Most of the stooges that flood this website live in the US, so trying to get them all to show up to that North British shanty town where you now live may prove to be difficult.
     
    My good friend Mr Hack/Elephant man.....I know you and that freak AP WANT that to be true as part of your joint "Axis of excrement" efforts ..........but of course it isn't , just you clowns trying to provoke me.
    My job, very wonderfully allows me to contribute to the SMO to the point I could maybe technically get charged for War Crimes!! Some technical war crime shit related to construction in "occupied areas" ( hopefully the dream is me, or at least the company owner can get charged with war crimes for nothing things like these retards managed hilariously do to the mother of 7, deeply religious Lvova).

    So I am not required to be mobilised because of my job in engineering, but happy to be contributing in a small way to the SMO. I have, unlike you, done national service. I am unlike you, not representing a fake country where the only "fight for national independence" in 1000 years involves zero battlefield achievement and raping women, children and animals in the 1940's when the Nazi's weren't looking. There is no such thing as "draft dodgers" here either because the volunteer numbers are huge and the professional army is doing a great job. If legal required then I will do it of course. If legally not required - then we know US Banderites will not save a family in 404 they claim are being "genocided" by allowing them to live with them .

    It is an upright piano that I have though Mr Hack you dummy. 2 pedals.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  155. @AP
    @Beckow


    You actually described it correctly, but you left out the key fact that Ukie males are barred from leaving Ukraine – they have to bribe someone to leave
     
    This is what the $7500 or $8000 pays for in many cases.

    There are also the “VIP” exemptions: male relatives of the elite avoiding service.
     
    There are other exemptions, for example one of my cousins runs the Ukrainian operations of a Western firm and he is permitted to leave for meetings at the main office. He comes back, indeed he was abroad when the war started and rushed back to Ukraine.

    If the war is as existential as they claim why don’t they put their own lives on the line
     
    If they were really prominent they would have to serve under fake names because they would make their units into special targets. Supposedly Poroshenko’s oldest son fought during the ATO under a fake name. He is now a lawmaker. Poroshenko’s younger son is below draft age. Yatseniuk only has daughters.

    BTW any of Russian elites fighting? You claim this war was vitally necessary for Russia, that it would be an existential threat if Ukraine joined NATO.

    For Ukraine, the war is not at the phase where full mobilisation of all men to the front is necessary; the Russians are being held back with the military Ukraine currently has. Ukraine still needs workers to run its businesses and farms.

    This is a slow downward spiral – the quality of draftees is going down
     
    This is generally true and also true of Russia, which has squandered many of its elite forces and replaced them with mobiks. The attrition of earlier forces is somewhat compensated with battle experience of new ones.

    Replies: @LatW, @Gerard1234

    There are other exemptions, for example one of my cousins runs the Ukrainian operations of a Western firm and he is permitted to leave for meetings at the main office. He comes back, indeed he was abroad when the war started and rushed back to Ukraine.

    Wow. I suppose its the same thinking of a paedophile wanting to be a School caretaker – the mindset of this dilapidated, fantasist scumtroll and proven liar “AP” to come up with such a ludicrous fake of a story. Which one is the biggest , most amusing lie of this f*cktard AP anyone? The cousin in Bucha? Speaking Russian or Ukrainian? Visiting Russia or Ukaine? The fixation with pretending to be a medic? Why does the internet produce such wakjob POS’s? It’s a disgrace, I wish the blog had rules against such scumbag fake behaviour……..and I suspect zero people on here, including the Baltic freaks believe his claims to be true.

    BTW any of Russian elites fighting? You claim this war was vitally necessary for Russia, that it would be an existential threat if Ukraine joined NATO.

    Peskov’s son, Aksenov’s son (Crimea head). Several GosDuma MP’s mobilised (including World Champion boxer Valuev, Gosduma MP whilst the homo Klitschko junior is nowhere near the battlefield), Kadyrov involved. Rogozin got significantly injured carrying out work there you deranged retard. Practically all the Russian governors have visited the Donbass since 2022. Even the liberal potential 5th columnist Shuvalov’s son did serve in the VMF Spetsnaz a few years ago is something I mention in comparison to the lowlifes in charge of 404. Vice-governor of one of, maybe our richest region had one of her sons killed in the SMO you scumbag.

    Now compare that 404 , where absolutely mass numbers of ukrops have been annihilated and not ONE of these elites has a son serving in the military. Not one death or injury.

    But its a fake comparison, because anyone if free to leave and re-enter Russia. Khokholstan prison is not in that situation. One side is being annihilated……..the other is not.

    Unlike the running like cowards ukrop elite, Russian political elites have nothing to prove in comparison you useless fu*kwit because during the frequent hostage taking incidents in the 1990’/2000 several Russian politicians showed selfless courage in directly going into the places people were held and negotiating with the terrorists, often even offering themselves in exchange for woman or child hostage. Senators, regional government ministers, Kobson, Petrenko etc. There is Chechen war veterans in their too.

    Russian High ranking military officials serve at or near the frontline with immense bravery and courage. Ukronazi failure officer-class are of course sitting in Germany or Lvov, recycling orders from their US,UK,German masters sending astronomical amounts of central and Eastern Ukrainians to die like lemmings

    also true of Russia, which has squandered many of its elite forces and replaced them with mobiks.

    A laughably idiotic . bimbo lie. Only a fraction of these forces have suffered you inept scumbag.

    For Ukraine, the war is not at the phase where full mobilisation of all men to the front is necessary; the Russians are being held back with the military Ukraine currently has. Ukraine still needs workers to run its businesses and farms.

    ROFLMAO !!!One of the most bimbo things you have ever written. On so many levels. Its clear your not even understanding of what full mobilisation is when you write this paragraph of nonsense. More instantaneous BS.

    Supposedly Poroshenko’s oldest son fought during the ATO under a fake name.

    Which is of course nonsense. You have though managed to upgrade the number of ukrop politicians you know from 1 to 3 during the week, judging from your ineptitude shown in the list I gave on very high number of Russians and non-ukrops in charge of 404.

    • Replies: @Jazman
    @Gerard1234

    AP lying by default. Or hallucinating due to being high on drugs.

  156. Lose a ship or lose a country?

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  157. @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234

    I'm glad to read that you approve of my idea of having your own"stooges for Putler almost naked party of support" somewhere in the West. Most of the stooges that flood this website live in the US, so trying to get them all to show up to that North British shanty town where you now live may prove to be difficult. Just saying...(I still can't believe that you left Mother Russia behind, your beautiful grand piano, the vegetable garden and dacha too...why, oh why Geraldina?). Are you one of those Russian drat dodgers thatI read so much about?

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Most of the stooges that flood this website live in the US, so trying to get them all to show up to that North British shanty town where you now live may prove to be difficult.

    My good friend Mr Hack/Elephant man…..I know you and that freak AP WANT that to be true as part of your joint “Axis of excrement” efforts ……….but of course it isn’t , just you clowns trying to provoke me.
    My job, very wonderfully allows me to contribute to the SMO to the point I could maybe technically get charged for War Crimes!! Some technical war crime shit related to construction in “occupied areas” ( hopefully the dream is me, or at least the company owner can get charged with war crimes for nothing things like these retards managed hilariously do to the mother of 7, deeply religious Lvova).

    So I am not required to be mobilised because of my job in engineering, but happy to be contributing in a small way to the SMO. I have, unlike you, done national service. I am unlike you, not representing a fake country where the only “fight for national independence” in 1000 years involves zero battlefield achievement and raping women, children and animals in the 1940’s when the Nazi’s weren’t looking. There is no such thing as “draft dodgers” here either because the volunteer numbers are huge and the professional army is doing a great job. If legal required then I will do it of course. If legally not required – then we know US Banderites will not save a family in 404 they claim are being “genocided” by allowing them to live with them .

    It is an upright piano that I have though Mr Hack you dummy. 2 pedals.

    • LOL: Yevardian
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234


    It is an upright piano that I have though Mr Hack you dummy. 2 pedals.
     
    Sorry, the photo that I was looking at wasn't real clear regarding the type of piano:


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/files/2013/05/1987-L3_image_982w.jpg
  158. @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Curious, as crows are carrion feeders, so one would think that would go against their genetic intincts. Maybe, it was mad that traffic was being held up, and not actually killing anything.

    Crows do sometimes enjoy to harass animals, like pull the tails of cats or dogs.

    So far, nobody has tried to combine the natural aggressiveness of Canada geese with Prussian discipline.

    The first nation to do so (and it could be Canada), may unlock a powerful new weapon.

    https://youtu.be/5kT3yEhyPeg?si=rnP-4fjT88GpFYiw
    https://youtu.be/2P4NxUzkbKc?si=tRigHpEMljUQjYmg

    Replies: @LatW, @S

    Curious, as crows are carrion feeders, so one would think that would go against their genetic intincts.

    The reality might be more sad than it appears – some readers after watching this video suggested that the crow is in fact trying to peck and eat the hedgehog, instead of helping it. Normally, the hedgehog would roll up in a ball to protect himself in this kind of a situation. Funny video. Nasty crows should not pick on hedgehogs – there is so much other food out there (especially in the city). Poor hedgehog. We sometimes bring them milk.

    The first nation to do so (and it could be Canada), may unlock a powerful new weapon.

    Well, along with the deadly mosquitos and battle dolphins (but I think those are fairy tales). 🙂 That’s just normal behavior for Canada geese, that’s how they treat people – just another day for them, nothing to see here. 🙂 Maybe they misbehave because of the Canadian liberal approach. 🙂

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW


    some readers after watching this video suggested that the crow is in fact trying to peck and eat the hedgehog,
     
    No question that they associate roads with food and hunt living rats. What I've noticed is they aren't as road-wary as other animals but almost seem like they can read the driver's intention. Sometimes they will feed quite close to traffic.

    Here is a crow not being helpful to a hedgehog:
    https://youtu.be/LRjkCY-u7fg?si=W_8aPbYAxvEQ8zwR


    According to this, they do commonly eat hedgehogs:
    https://knowworldnow.com/what-do-crows-eat/#:~:text=A%20crow%20can%20get%20proteins%2C%20fats%2C%20and%20other,consumed%20by%20crows%3A%20Rodents%20Rabbits%20Squirrels%20Shrews%20Hedgehogs
  159. @Mr. Hack
    @LatW


    All the Z patriots went crazy. Solovyov blamed them for the ship disasters. In the end, these “artists” and socialites had to make sobby public apologies.
     
    Apologies? You mean that they didn't obtain a license to have their party from the kremlin or from the good Patriarch Kirill?

    Lots of stuff on the internet about "almost naked animals":

    https://youtu.be/rvS8krBp4Ic

    Makes one wonder whether there's any difference between these Russian patriots and animals?...

    Do you think that it would be presumptuous to expect that our local branch of kremlin stooges (Beckow, QCIC, Professor Jannissar, Averko, Geraldina) will host their own similar party to rival the festivities going on in Moscow? New Year's Eve is only two days away? :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234, @LatW

    Do you think that it would be presumptuous to expect that our local branch of kremlin stooges (Beckow, QCIC, Professor Jannissar, Averko, Geraldina) will host their own similar party to rival the festivities going on in Moscow?

    Are you sure you want to picture a half-naked Geraldina playing the piano? Oh, no, what has been seen, cannot be unseen.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @LatW

    He might have an exceptional physique...working his vegetable garden all summer at his dacha in Putlerstan and then going off to Northern Britain somewhere after the harvest, working on SMO projects (most likely working within some coal mine). He looks rather handsome in his concert photos don't you think?

  160. @Verymuchalive
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I do remember that no one got killed as a result of Russia-Crimea unification, probably the first time that has happened since the Belgian Revolution of 1830. But I don't recall the story about the Crimean garrison being given a free choice as to which side they wanted to pick, with the "Ukrainians" being permitted to depart peacefully from Crimea. Was the story suppressed by the Western MSM ? I would not be at all surprised. I would be very grateful if you could supply a source for this intriguing story.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    But I don’t recall the story about the Crimean garrison being given a free choice as to which side they wanted to pick, with the “Ukrainians” being permitted to depart peacefully from Crimea. Was the story suppressed by the Western MSM ?

    Of course it was, as it is “politically incorrect” in two ways.

    One, it would go against demonization of Russia and Putin, which is obligatory for the bought and paid for Western MSM.

    Two, ~90% of “Ukrainian” servicemen and women in Crimea chose to switch sides and serve in the RF military. That fact would kill the fairy tale of Western media about the feelings of Ukraine residents.

    So, you must see for yourself that this story could not have been reported by Western presstitutes.

  161. So hopefully last night’s savage attack on the Ukrainian civilians will serve as a great reason to finally extract the money and send some serious weapons. We are dealing with psychopathic murderers.

    How many Russian speakers did they kill last night and how many children were maimed?

    🙏❤️

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LatW

    You stupid cow, how can you seriously believe that your braindead atrocity propaganda ("Putin is killing children", as if this was the defining feature of this war, not primarily conventional battles in which huge numbers of soldiers are fed into the meat grinder) still has any credibility at a time when the collective West is not just ignoring (which might be ok), but actively supporting Israel killing at least 15 000 to 20 000 civilians in two months? Apart from the totally propagandized nobody can take that seriously anymore.
    As for "to finally extract the money and send some serious weapons", Ukraine has been given unprecedented support already. But even if they were given everything on their fantasy wishlist (which won't happen), it wouldn't solve Ukraine's manpower issues or magically make Ukraine's armed forces capable of conducting the sort of offensive that could defeat Russia on the battlefield. There is no prospect at all of Ukraine winning this war in the sense of restoring the 1991 borders. It was always a fantasy, and one which has been decisively refuted by the total failure of Ukraine's offensive last summer. The only thing left to do now is adopt realistic war goals, attempt to stave off a Ukrainian collapse (and yes, continued Western support for that is necessary) and open negotiations for a ceasefire, which by necessity will entail extremely painful concessions on the part of Ukraine. Otherwise this is likely to end in something even worse for Ukraine, with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands more men killed and maimed at the front and Russia possibly even grabbing additional territory like the entire Black Sea Coast.
    But I suppose exactly that is going to happen, not least because hysterical dumbfucks like you have created a mental climate where it's become impossible to acknowledge such realities. Then you will clamour for direct NATO intervention (which is unlikely to happen, unless Western "elites" have lost all elementary sense of self-preservation) and spend the rest of your life cultivating some idiotic stab-in-the-back mythology how Ukraine's heroes were betrayed because just not enough weapons were sent and how a big chance was missed to permanently cripple Russia. Absolutely predictable, and absolutely idiotic.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. Hack, @LatW, @LatW, @Mikel, @Yevardian

  162. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Russian oligarchs getting their hands on Ukrainian resources was probably a more important reason for this invasion than was hypothetical NATO membership.

     

    Possibly, along with having Russia secure as much hopefully-pliable human capital from Ukraine as possible in order to regain its lost superpower status. Ukraine's human capital is also a part of its value for the West, along with its lithium and agricultural land. The Western hive mind benefits from growing even more, after all.

    FWIW, I do believe that Russia's leadership drank its own Kool-Aid in regards to NATO, but Yes, you're obviously right that there was very likely more to it than just that.

    I wonder if preventing Russia's ally China from securing Ukrainian lithium deposits would be a more attractive way of framing Western/US support of Ukraine in such a way that appeals to anti-China right-wingers, such as US Republicans. I suspect that it would be, at least marginally.

    Are there any other important natural resources in Ukraine besides lithium?

    As a side note, I suspect that even if Ukraine were to retake the Crimean Corridor, Russia and China would not suffer from a lithium shortage too badly 'coz they could always rely on the Taliban in Afghanistan to sell them lithium at discount prices, no? I mean, it's not like the West will be making investments in Taliban-run Afghanistan anytime soon.

    Also, I wonder if Afghanistan's natural resources would make federalization a difficult sell for Afghans even in the event that the Taliban will ever get ousted from power there again and replaced with a better government (unlikely in the near-term, but who knows about the long-term, right?). Federalization is harder when different groups compete over natural resources. This is also why I don't think that federalization would work for Iraq very well in terms of splitting Iraq into three federal states (Sunni Arab, Shi'a Arab, and Kurd). The Sunni Arab federal state within Iraq in such a scenario wouldn't have many natural resources, after all.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Philip Owen

    Ukraine (and to a lesser extent Georgia) mined all the USSRs titanium. Russia processed it. Now Russia has to pay China, who needs it themselves, top dollar plus for the titanium. In terms of processed product Ukraine did better steel forging, for example.

    There are other shortages. Eggs we know of.

    https://www.vzsar.ru/news/2023/12/22/na-teatralnoy-ploschadi-proydet-yarmarka-informacii-o-deshevyh-yaycah-net.html

    Chicken meat and pork will be problems next then milk and vegetables.

    Russia built a huge new factory farming industry after the self imposed sanctions of 2014. It was built with the latest EU gear and has been very productive providing 70%+ of consumption. However, the equipment companies keep their revenues flowing by providing the breeding stock and formulations for young animals. The exact breed of animal is important. Farms are sized according to their reproduction and maturation rates and things like age of transition from one feed to another. The wrong feed to young animals can affect this. So, Russia continued to buy 3 day old chicks or hatching eggs from the Netherlands and the feedstuff. Since sanctions, this has not been possible. The pharmaceuticals haven’t been available either.

    Without new genetics for laying hens, broilers, pigs and cows, not to mention seeds for glasshouses (and then all the commercial sugar beet seeds in the world come from Northern Italy/Southern France) Russian agricultural output is in inevitable decline. This was masked by imports of eggs from China. However the bombinb of the tunnel, although it didn’t go to China, disrupted the railway system and eggs lost priority. Hence the current shortage. Russia is now negotiating with Iran and Turkey for eggs.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Philip Owen

    The entire system was basically created by the Soviets and was divided up in interesting ways. The overall productive economy seems very distorted for internal and external reasons.

    The recent Russian factory farming expansion was probably created with a return on investment (ROI) mindset as much as a "how do we feed everybody reliably?" outlook. This is not unreasonable, but both are crucial. Modern capitalism, especially in the globalized form has some interesting tensions between ROI, a high quality product and general wisdom regarding essential things like food. Globalization seems to commoditize everything which tends to push in the direction of low quality product, the 'FDA Approved' minimum acceptable. Higher quality products may be able to survive in this world, but it remains to be seen if they will be driven to a luxury-only niche as healthy food has become in the USA. It will be interesting to see how Russia deals with the ties to Western agribusiness which the sanctions-driven agriculture revamp was supposed to cut.

    Titanium ore is a mass produced commodity for the titanium dioxide market. I think the processing is the main value-added step for titanium metal and is energy intensive. How much cost increase has Boeing experienced by moving from Russian semi-finished titanium products to alternative suppliers? While this change may be good for some US manufacturers, it could be bad for the cost of the 787 which uses a lot of titanium along with the more well-known carbon fiber composites.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  163. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    Most of the stooges that flood this website live in the US, so trying to get them all to show up to that North British shanty town where you now live may prove to be difficult.
     
    My good friend Mr Hack/Elephant man.....I know you and that freak AP WANT that to be true as part of your joint "Axis of excrement" efforts ..........but of course it isn't , just you clowns trying to provoke me.
    My job, very wonderfully allows me to contribute to the SMO to the point I could maybe technically get charged for War Crimes!! Some technical war crime shit related to construction in "occupied areas" ( hopefully the dream is me, or at least the company owner can get charged with war crimes for nothing things like these retards managed hilariously do to the mother of 7, deeply religious Lvova).

    So I am not required to be mobilised because of my job in engineering, but happy to be contributing in a small way to the SMO. I have, unlike you, done national service. I am unlike you, not representing a fake country where the only "fight for national independence" in 1000 years involves zero battlefield achievement and raping women, children and animals in the 1940's when the Nazi's weren't looking. There is no such thing as "draft dodgers" here either because the volunteer numbers are huge and the professional army is doing a great job. If legal required then I will do it of course. If legally not required - then we know US Banderites will not save a family in 404 they claim are being "genocided" by allowing them to live with them .

    It is an upright piano that I have though Mr Hack you dummy. 2 pedals.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    It is an upright piano that I have though Mr Hack you dummy. 2 pedals.

    Sorry, the photo that I was looking at wasn’t real clear regarding the type of piano:

    [MORE]

  164. @LatW
    @Mr. Hack


    Do you think that it would be presumptuous to expect that our local branch of kremlin stooges (Beckow, QCIC, Professor Jannissar, Averko, Geraldina) will host their own similar party to rival the festivities going on in Moscow?
     
    Are you sure you want to picture a half-naked Geraldina playing the piano? Oh, no, what has been seen, cannot be unseen.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    He might have an exceptional physique…working his vegetable garden all summer at his dacha in Putlerstan and then going off to Northern Britain somewhere after the harvest, working on SMO projects (most likely working within some coal mine). He looks rather handsome in his concert photos don’t you think?

  165. @LatW
    @songbird


    Curious, as crows are carrion feeders, so one would think that would go against their genetic intincts.
     
    The reality might be more sad than it appears - some readers after watching this video suggested that the crow is in fact trying to peck and eat the hedgehog, instead of helping it. Normally, the hedgehog would roll up in a ball to protect himself in this kind of a situation. Funny video. Nasty crows should not pick on hedgehogs - there is so much other food out there (especially in the city). Poor hedgehog. We sometimes bring them milk.

    The first nation to do so (and it could be Canada), may unlock a powerful new weapon.
     
    Well, along with the deadly mosquitos and battle dolphins (but I think those are fairy tales). :) That's just normal behavior for Canada geese, that's how they treat people - just another day for them, nothing to see here. :) Maybe they misbehave because of the Canadian liberal approach. :)

    Replies: @songbird

    some readers after watching this video suggested that the crow is in fact trying to peck and eat the hedgehog,

    No question that they associate roads with food and hunt living rats. What I’ve noticed is they aren’t as road-wary as other animals but almost seem like they can read the driver’s intention. Sometimes they will feed quite close to traffic.

    Here is a crow not being helpful to a hedgehog:

  166. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    So hopefully last night's savage attack on the Ukrainian civilians will serve as a great reason to finally extract the money and send some serious weapons. We are dealing with psychopathic murderers.

    How many Russian speakers did they kill last night and how many children were maimed?

    🙏❤️

    Replies: @German_reader

    You stupid cow, how can you seriously believe that your braindead atrocity propaganda (“Putin is killing children”, as if this was the defining feature of this war, not primarily conventional battles in which huge numbers of soldiers are fed into the meat grinder) still has any credibility at a time when the collective West is not just ignoring (which might be ok), but actively supporting Israel killing at least 15 000 to 20 000 civilians in two months? Apart from the totally propagandized nobody can take that seriously anymore.
    As for “to finally extract the money and send some serious weapons”, Ukraine has been given unprecedented support already. But even if they were given everything on their fantasy wishlist (which won’t happen), it wouldn’t solve Ukraine’s manpower issues or magically make Ukraine’s armed forces capable of conducting the sort of offensive that could defeat Russia on the battlefield. There is no prospect at all of Ukraine winning this war in the sense of restoring the 1991 borders. It was always a fantasy, and one which has been decisively refuted by the total failure of Ukraine’s offensive last summer. The only thing left to do now is adopt realistic war goals, attempt to stave off a Ukrainian collapse (and yes, continued Western support for that is necessary) and open negotiations for a ceasefire, which by necessity will entail extremely painful concessions on the part of Ukraine. Otherwise this is likely to end in something even worse for Ukraine, with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands more men killed and maimed at the front and Russia possibly even grabbing additional territory like the entire Black Sea Coast.
    But I suppose exactly that is going to happen, not least because hysterical dumbfucks like you have created a mental climate where it’s become impossible to acknowledge such realities. Then you will clamour for direct NATO intervention (which is unlikely to happen, unless Western “elites” have lost all elementary sense of self-preservation) and spend the rest of your life cultivating some idiotic stab-in-the-back mythology how Ukraine’s heroes were betrayed because just not enough weapons were sent and how a big chance was missed to permanently cripple Russia. Absolutely predictable, and absolutely idiotic.

    • LOL: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader

    Do not bother responding to my posts - I won't be talking to you until you take care of your mental issues (or ever).

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    You stupid cow, how can you seriously believe that your braindead atrocity propaganda (“Putin is killing children”, as if this was the defining feature of this war, not primarily conventional battles in which huge numbers of soldiers are fed into the meat grinder)
     
    So bringing up the deaths of innocent children, needs to elicit your psychotic rant here, because it isn't at the very top of your "defining features" war list?

    You do realize that it's Russian troops that are in large measure fed into the meat grinder, especially in battle ground sites like Avdiivka? Why aren't you on your pulpit screaming "bloody murder" against Putler and his lackadaisical supporters within Russia? It's always Ukraine's fault for defending itself against the frankenstein of the north, right, Mr. Objective "I don't have a dog in this fight" Mr. German_Reader?

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @LatW
    @German_reader

    P.s. And by the way - a while back, I suggested to you - let's try to work towards a situation where we have neither the US nor Russia in our faces, yet you immediately dismissed that as completely unrealistic, even though there is a hypothetical scenario (a historical window) where both of those could be weakened, and Europe strengthened, yet you didn't even want to exercise this possibility. That shows how "valuable" you are. And you were never neutral or objective.

    And, yes, the murder of civilians, including children, has very much been one of the defining features of the Russian invasion, from the very beginning. That doesn't mean that killing the Gaza children should be overlooked, but neither should the Ukrainian children be overlooked.

    , @LatW
    @German_reader

    P.s.s. You are not fully German.


    going by your comments in 2022 Ukraine by now should already have conquered Crimea
     
    Ukraine was only provided with a fraction of the needed weapons (this is one thing that the Western press is reluctant to admit). Because Sullivan and Biden stalled. Burns is a traitor who begged Putin to not attack NATO (if this is a proper NATO stance, then sorry).

    The Russian Black Sea fleet has been considerably limited. And the bavovna season (the season of blasts) in Crimea is very much open, last time I checked.

    , @Mikel
    @German_reader

    Well, to be fair, I was also quite pissed off yesterday when I learned about the Russians attacking multiple cities where they knew big damage to civilians would be caused. The Russians have miserably failed to interrupt the constant transit of advanced Western weapons to the front lines, where their men are being decimated, and these attacks on cities probably have minimal effect on the war, while encouraging Western countries to resume their assistance at a time where the conflict was getting localized and clear peace movements were being made. Perhaps it was just a petty vengeance for the failure of their vaunted S-400s to protect Crimea from Western-made missiles.

    But it's at least 3 Ukrainian negotiators now (Arestovich, Arakhamia and Chaly) who have confessed that an agreement was very close in the months after the war started and Putin was even willing to negotiate Crimea and Donbas. Allegedly, the only sticking point was Ukraine in NATO. It looks plausible that Putin realized early on that his military was a shambles and, having failed at a quick takeover of Ukraine, was eager to finish the adventure. The worst thing about all of this is not that they didn't reach an agreement at that point in time but that they abandoned the negotiations altogether and went for a purely military solution.

    In this respect, you are right that the influence of outsiders has been a calamity, before and after the war. They keep stoking the flames while thousands of people have died and continue dying for no better prospects than what could have been achieved in those negotiations. And what's this thing about "you're not fully German", "you're not an Anglo", "we're practically Scandinavians", "we're half-Viking",....? Is this a common attitude in the Baltics or just a personal thing? At any rate, if the Estonians start extraditing Ukrainian men to be forcefully sent to the meat-grinders I'll definitely make the effort to go the post office and cast an anti-NATO ballot next time I receive them from the Spanish consulate. Along with voting for the most anti-interventionist candidates available here in the US, of course. Decades after the conscientious objection was recognized in all Western countries we don't need these Eastern revanchists to make us go back to their 40s mentality. If I'm not mistaken, even the Ukrainian constitution recognizes the right to conscientious objection but it's being flouted by our "democratic allies" in Kiev.

    Replies: @German_reader, @German_reader

    , @Yevardian
    @German_reader


    You stupid cow
     
    Come on now, save that language for our blog's moderator Gerard, this sounds unbecoming from you.
  167. @German_reader
    @LatW

    You stupid cow, how can you seriously believe that your braindead atrocity propaganda ("Putin is killing children", as if this was the defining feature of this war, not primarily conventional battles in which huge numbers of soldiers are fed into the meat grinder) still has any credibility at a time when the collective West is not just ignoring (which might be ok), but actively supporting Israel killing at least 15 000 to 20 000 civilians in two months? Apart from the totally propagandized nobody can take that seriously anymore.
    As for "to finally extract the money and send some serious weapons", Ukraine has been given unprecedented support already. But even if they were given everything on their fantasy wishlist (which won't happen), it wouldn't solve Ukraine's manpower issues or magically make Ukraine's armed forces capable of conducting the sort of offensive that could defeat Russia on the battlefield. There is no prospect at all of Ukraine winning this war in the sense of restoring the 1991 borders. It was always a fantasy, and one which has been decisively refuted by the total failure of Ukraine's offensive last summer. The only thing left to do now is adopt realistic war goals, attempt to stave off a Ukrainian collapse (and yes, continued Western support for that is necessary) and open negotiations for a ceasefire, which by necessity will entail extremely painful concessions on the part of Ukraine. Otherwise this is likely to end in something even worse for Ukraine, with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands more men killed and maimed at the front and Russia possibly even grabbing additional territory like the entire Black Sea Coast.
    But I suppose exactly that is going to happen, not least because hysterical dumbfucks like you have created a mental climate where it's become impossible to acknowledge such realities. Then you will clamour for direct NATO intervention (which is unlikely to happen, unless Western "elites" have lost all elementary sense of self-preservation) and spend the rest of your life cultivating some idiotic stab-in-the-back mythology how Ukraine's heroes were betrayed because just not enough weapons were sent and how a big chance was missed to permanently cripple Russia. Absolutely predictable, and absolutely idiotic.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. Hack, @LatW, @LatW, @Mikel, @Yevardian

    Do not bother responding to my posts – I won’t be talking to you until you take care of your mental issues (or ever).

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LatW

    I won't bother responding to your posts, because there is literally nothing worth addressing there on any substantial level, it's all inane drivel, unconnected from any reality, nothing but moralistic hysteria and demented, romantic fantasies about some military miracle that can't possibly happen. In the end the mindset of people like you will have done its fair share of contributing to an even bigger disaster, but of course you will never admit your own responsibility or admit that you were wrong in any way (which should already be obvious btw, going by your comments in 2022 Ukraine by now should already have conquered Crimea, established some buffer zone on the Russian side of the border and toppled Putin's government. But I suppose that just didn't happen, because not enough weapons were sent, lol).

  168. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    John Von Neumann said that nuclear tech leads to subsequent extinction in short time inevitably; hence no little green men. Mr. Spock is not logical to exist. Johnny probably didn't believe in fairies either.

    Replies: @songbird

    IIRC, Freeman Dyson seemed to think nuclear bombs dropping would be no big deal, if there were underground shelters.

    Me, I’d be worried that, in such a situation, we wouldn’t get that 30-35min warning from intercontinental ballistics launching, but they would have submersible delivery drones right off the coast, nearly crawling on the beaches, or bombs in a container ship in harbor. And that, if it could be planned for, in theory, to store the necessary supplies and equipment, the government is way too incompetent to do so.

  169. @German_reader
    @LatW

    You stupid cow, how can you seriously believe that your braindead atrocity propaganda ("Putin is killing children", as if this was the defining feature of this war, not primarily conventional battles in which huge numbers of soldiers are fed into the meat grinder) still has any credibility at a time when the collective West is not just ignoring (which might be ok), but actively supporting Israel killing at least 15 000 to 20 000 civilians in two months? Apart from the totally propagandized nobody can take that seriously anymore.
    As for "to finally extract the money and send some serious weapons", Ukraine has been given unprecedented support already. But even if they were given everything on their fantasy wishlist (which won't happen), it wouldn't solve Ukraine's manpower issues or magically make Ukraine's armed forces capable of conducting the sort of offensive that could defeat Russia on the battlefield. There is no prospect at all of Ukraine winning this war in the sense of restoring the 1991 borders. It was always a fantasy, and one which has been decisively refuted by the total failure of Ukraine's offensive last summer. The only thing left to do now is adopt realistic war goals, attempt to stave off a Ukrainian collapse (and yes, continued Western support for that is necessary) and open negotiations for a ceasefire, which by necessity will entail extremely painful concessions on the part of Ukraine. Otherwise this is likely to end in something even worse for Ukraine, with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands more men killed and maimed at the front and Russia possibly even grabbing additional territory like the entire Black Sea Coast.
    But I suppose exactly that is going to happen, not least because hysterical dumbfucks like you have created a mental climate where it's become impossible to acknowledge such realities. Then you will clamour for direct NATO intervention (which is unlikely to happen, unless Western "elites" have lost all elementary sense of self-preservation) and spend the rest of your life cultivating some idiotic stab-in-the-back mythology how Ukraine's heroes were betrayed because just not enough weapons were sent and how a big chance was missed to permanently cripple Russia. Absolutely predictable, and absolutely idiotic.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. Hack, @LatW, @LatW, @Mikel, @Yevardian

    You stupid cow, how can you seriously believe that your braindead atrocity propaganda (“Putin is killing children”, as if this was the defining feature of this war, not primarily conventional battles in which huge numbers of soldiers are fed into the meat grinder)

    So bringing up the deaths of innocent children, needs to elicit your psychotic rant here, because it isn’t at the very top of your “defining features” war list?

    You do realize that it’s Russian troops that are in large measure fed into the meat grinder, especially in battle ground sites like Avdiivka? Why aren’t you on your pulpit screaming “bloody murder” against Putler and his lackadaisical supporters within Russia? It’s always Ukraine’s fault for defending itself against the frankenstein of the north, right, Mr. Objective “I don’t have a dog in this fight” Mr. German_Reader?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    You do realize that it’s Russian troops that are in large measure fed into the meat grinder
     
    How can you possibly believe that Ukraine hasn't suffered huge casualties in its own offensive operations? Russian casualties have certainly been substantial too, but its population base is much higher than Ukraine's (not even to mention how much more developed its military-industrial complex is). There is no prospect at all of Ukraine winning a war of attrition. All this talk about loss ratios supposedly being favourable to Ukraine is total bs contrary to all common sense, just a fantasy so you and AP don't have to face the harsh reality and can dream on a little longer.
    This isn't an issue of "being at fault" either (obviously Ukraine has a right to self-defense, where have I contested this? But what good is this right against overwhelming odds? Or do you believe in the triumph of the spirit against material realities?), it's an issue of salvaging what can still be salvaged. But I know there's no point arguing about this, this will go on until the better end.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  170. @German_reader
    @LatW

    You stupid cow, how can you seriously believe that your braindead atrocity propaganda ("Putin is killing children", as if this was the defining feature of this war, not primarily conventional battles in which huge numbers of soldiers are fed into the meat grinder) still has any credibility at a time when the collective West is not just ignoring (which might be ok), but actively supporting Israel killing at least 15 000 to 20 000 civilians in two months? Apart from the totally propagandized nobody can take that seriously anymore.
    As for "to finally extract the money and send some serious weapons", Ukraine has been given unprecedented support already. But even if they were given everything on their fantasy wishlist (which won't happen), it wouldn't solve Ukraine's manpower issues or magically make Ukraine's armed forces capable of conducting the sort of offensive that could defeat Russia on the battlefield. There is no prospect at all of Ukraine winning this war in the sense of restoring the 1991 borders. It was always a fantasy, and one which has been decisively refuted by the total failure of Ukraine's offensive last summer. The only thing left to do now is adopt realistic war goals, attempt to stave off a Ukrainian collapse (and yes, continued Western support for that is necessary) and open negotiations for a ceasefire, which by necessity will entail extremely painful concessions on the part of Ukraine. Otherwise this is likely to end in something even worse for Ukraine, with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands more men killed and maimed at the front and Russia possibly even grabbing additional territory like the entire Black Sea Coast.
    But I suppose exactly that is going to happen, not least because hysterical dumbfucks like you have created a mental climate where it's become impossible to acknowledge such realities. Then you will clamour for direct NATO intervention (which is unlikely to happen, unless Western "elites" have lost all elementary sense of self-preservation) and spend the rest of your life cultivating some idiotic stab-in-the-back mythology how Ukraine's heroes were betrayed because just not enough weapons were sent and how a big chance was missed to permanently cripple Russia. Absolutely predictable, and absolutely idiotic.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. Hack, @LatW, @LatW, @Mikel, @Yevardian

    P.s. And by the way – a while back, I suggested to you – let’s try to work towards a situation where we have neither the US nor Russia in our faces, yet you immediately dismissed that as completely unrealistic, even though there is a hypothetical scenario (a historical window) where both of those could be weakened, and Europe strengthened, yet you didn’t even want to exercise this possibility. That shows how “valuable” you are. And you were never neutral or objective.

    And, yes, the murder of civilians, including children, has very much been one of the defining features of the Russian invasion, from the very beginning. That doesn’t mean that killing the Gaza children should be overlooked, but neither should the Ukrainian children be overlooked.

  171. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @German_reader

    Do not bother responding to my posts - I won't be talking to you until you take care of your mental issues (or ever).

    Replies: @German_reader

    I won’t bother responding to your posts, because there is literally nothing worth addressing there on any substantial level, it’s all inane drivel, unconnected from any reality, nothing but moralistic hysteria and demented, romantic fantasies about some military miracle that can’t possibly happen. In the end the mindset of people like you will have done its fair share of contributing to an even bigger disaster, but of course you will never admit your own responsibility or admit that you were wrong in any way (which should already be obvious btw, going by your comments in 2022 Ukraine by now should already have conquered Crimea, established some buffer zone on the Russian side of the border and toppled Putin’s government. But I suppose that just didn’t happen, because not enough weapons were sent, lol).

  172. @German_reader
    @LatW

    You stupid cow, how can you seriously believe that your braindead atrocity propaganda ("Putin is killing children", as if this was the defining feature of this war, not primarily conventional battles in which huge numbers of soldiers are fed into the meat grinder) still has any credibility at a time when the collective West is not just ignoring (which might be ok), but actively supporting Israel killing at least 15 000 to 20 000 civilians in two months? Apart from the totally propagandized nobody can take that seriously anymore.
    As for "to finally extract the money and send some serious weapons", Ukraine has been given unprecedented support already. But even if they were given everything on their fantasy wishlist (which won't happen), it wouldn't solve Ukraine's manpower issues or magically make Ukraine's armed forces capable of conducting the sort of offensive that could defeat Russia on the battlefield. There is no prospect at all of Ukraine winning this war in the sense of restoring the 1991 borders. It was always a fantasy, and one which has been decisively refuted by the total failure of Ukraine's offensive last summer. The only thing left to do now is adopt realistic war goals, attempt to stave off a Ukrainian collapse (and yes, continued Western support for that is necessary) and open negotiations for a ceasefire, which by necessity will entail extremely painful concessions on the part of Ukraine. Otherwise this is likely to end in something even worse for Ukraine, with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands more men killed and maimed at the front and Russia possibly even grabbing additional territory like the entire Black Sea Coast.
    But I suppose exactly that is going to happen, not least because hysterical dumbfucks like you have created a mental climate where it's become impossible to acknowledge such realities. Then you will clamour for direct NATO intervention (which is unlikely to happen, unless Western "elites" have lost all elementary sense of self-preservation) and spend the rest of your life cultivating some idiotic stab-in-the-back mythology how Ukraine's heroes were betrayed because just not enough weapons were sent and how a big chance was missed to permanently cripple Russia. Absolutely predictable, and absolutely idiotic.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. Hack, @LatW, @LatW, @Mikel, @Yevardian

    P.s.s. You are not fully German.

    going by your comments in 2022 Ukraine by now should already have conquered Crimea

    Ukraine was only provided with a fraction of the needed weapons (this is one thing that the Western press is reluctant to admit). Because Sullivan and Biden stalled. Burns is a traitor who begged Putin to not attack NATO (if this is a proper NATO stance, then sorry).

    The Russian Black Sea fleet has been considerably limited. And the bavovna season (the season of blasts) in Crimea is very much open, last time I checked.

  173. @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Curious, as crows are carrion feeders, so one would think that would go against their genetic intincts. Maybe, it was mad that traffic was being held up, and not actually killing anything.

    Crows do sometimes enjoy to harass animals, like pull the tails of cats or dogs.

    So far, nobody has tried to combine the natural aggressiveness of Canada geese with Prussian discipline.

    The first nation to do so (and it could be Canada), may unlock a powerful new weapon.

    https://youtu.be/5kT3yEhyPeg?si=rnP-4fjT88GpFYiw
    https://youtu.be/2P4NxUzkbKc?si=tRigHpEMljUQjYmg

    Replies: @LatW, @S

    Curious, as crows are carrion feeders, so one would think that would go against their genetic intincts.

    Maybe the crow already had a full stomach and was just feeling in a good mood that day.

    A bit more seriously, crows are relatively intelligent. I’ve seen videos where a crow appears to be sharing it’s food with a dog. So, I suppose it’s not an impossibility.

    I’ve seen other videos of animals where people get carried way on what they think they’re seeing, however. A common one is of a young woman singing on the edge of a grassy field, and before long a crowd of cows will appear and surround her. People think, aha, she has a special talent to speak to cows in a special language only they and she understand. But then you see all the other videos on YouTube, where whether it be an accordion being played, a tuba, or, banging on a trashcan lid, the cows will do exactly the same thing.

    I suspect the cows are in reality just curious about what could possibly be making all the racket, and from past experience know, they might just get a food treat for all their trouble from this friendly human besides. 🙂

    • Replies: @songbird
    @S


    But then you see all the other videos on YouTube, where whether it be an accordion being played, a tuba
     
    The pastoralist in me refuses to believe that cows enjoy jazz.

    I do wonder however if they had some trick in medieval times for getting them into the woods in a hurry, as that is where they would hide them during war and raids. Though, I do suppose cows like to eat certain leaves like elm.
  174. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    You stupid cow, how can you seriously believe that your braindead atrocity propaganda (“Putin is killing children”, as if this was the defining feature of this war, not primarily conventional battles in which huge numbers of soldiers are fed into the meat grinder)
     
    So bringing up the deaths of innocent children, needs to elicit your psychotic rant here, because it isn't at the very top of your "defining features" war list?

    You do realize that it's Russian troops that are in large measure fed into the meat grinder, especially in battle ground sites like Avdiivka? Why aren't you on your pulpit screaming "bloody murder" against Putler and his lackadaisical supporters within Russia? It's always Ukraine's fault for defending itself against the frankenstein of the north, right, Mr. Objective "I don't have a dog in this fight" Mr. German_Reader?

    Replies: @German_reader

    You do realize that it’s Russian troops that are in large measure fed into the meat grinder

    How can you possibly believe that Ukraine hasn’t suffered huge casualties in its own offensive operations? Russian casualties have certainly been substantial too, but its population base is much higher than Ukraine’s (not even to mention how much more developed its military-industrial complex is). There is no prospect at all of Ukraine winning a war of attrition. All this talk about loss ratios supposedly being favourable to Ukraine is total bs contrary to all common sense, just a fantasy so you and AP don’t have to face the harsh reality and can dream on a little longer.
    This isn’t an issue of “being at fault” either (obviously Ukraine has a right to self-defense, where have I contested this? But what good is this right against overwhelming odds? Or do you believe in the triumph of the spirit against material realities?), it’s an issue of salvaging what can still be salvaged. But I know there’s no point arguing about this, this will go on until the better end.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    Or do you believe in the triumph of the spirit against material realities?,
     
    I actually do, and have been vindicated by supporting this spirit of patriotism and have seen it translated on the battlefield. The truth of the matter is that Russia's initial gains spurred on by surprise tactics, have been beaten back quite a bit (Kyiv, Kharkiv, Kherson). Name even one extra territory that Russia has captured since its initial successes? The current fight is about Russia regaining territories that it once controlled. I expect for the US to get off of its ass and provide the funding that Ukraine needs by the end of the first quarter in 2024. We'll see what happens after that.
  175. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    You do realize that it’s Russian troops that are in large measure fed into the meat grinder
     
    How can you possibly believe that Ukraine hasn't suffered huge casualties in its own offensive operations? Russian casualties have certainly been substantial too, but its population base is much higher than Ukraine's (not even to mention how much more developed its military-industrial complex is). There is no prospect at all of Ukraine winning a war of attrition. All this talk about loss ratios supposedly being favourable to Ukraine is total bs contrary to all common sense, just a fantasy so you and AP don't have to face the harsh reality and can dream on a little longer.
    This isn't an issue of "being at fault" either (obviously Ukraine has a right to self-defense, where have I contested this? But what good is this right against overwhelming odds? Or do you believe in the triumph of the spirit against material realities?), it's an issue of salvaging what can still be salvaged. But I know there's no point arguing about this, this will go on until the better end.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Or do you believe in the triumph of the spirit against material realities?,

    I actually do, and have been vindicated by supporting this spirit of patriotism and have seen it translated on the battlefield. The truth of the matter is that Russia’s initial gains spurred on by surprise tactics, have been beaten back quite a bit (Kyiv, Kharkiv, Kherson). Name even one extra territory that Russia has captured since its initial successes? The current fight is about Russia regaining territories that it once controlled. I expect for the US to get off of its ass and provide the funding that Ukraine needs by the end of the first quarter in 2024. We’ll see what happens after that.

  176. @Philip Owen
    @Mr. XYZ

    Ukraine (and to a lesser extent Georgia) mined all the USSRs titanium. Russia processed it. Now Russia has to pay China, who needs it themselves, top dollar plus for the titanium. In terms of processed product Ukraine did better steel forging, for example.

    There are other shortages. Eggs we know of.

    https://www.vzsar.ru/news/2023/12/22/na-teatralnoy-ploschadi-proydet-yarmarka-informacii-o-deshevyh-yaycah-net.html

    Chicken meat and pork will be problems next then milk and vegetables.

    Russia built a huge new factory farming industry after the self imposed sanctions of 2014. It was built with the latest EU gear and has been very productive providing 70%+ of consumption. However, the equipment companies keep their revenues flowing by providing the breeding stock and formulations for young animals. The exact breed of animal is important. Farms are sized according to their reproduction and maturation rates and things like age of transition from one feed to another. The wrong feed to young animals can affect this. So, Russia continued to buy 3 day old chicks or hatching eggs from the Netherlands and the feedstuff. Since sanctions, this has not been possible. The pharmaceuticals haven't been available either.

    Without new genetics for laying hens, broilers, pigs and cows, not to mention seeds for glasshouses (and then all the commercial sugar beet seeds in the world come from Northern Italy/Southern France) Russian agricultural output is in inevitable decline. This was masked by imports of eggs from China. However the bombinb of the tunnel, although it didn't go to China, disrupted the railway system and eggs lost priority. Hence the current shortage. Russia is now negotiating with Iran and Turkey for eggs.

    Replies: @QCIC

    The entire system was basically created by the Soviets and was divided up in interesting ways. The overall productive economy seems very distorted for internal and external reasons.

    The recent Russian factory farming expansion was probably created with a return on investment (ROI) mindset as much as a “how do we feed everybody reliably?” outlook. This is not unreasonable, but both are crucial. Modern capitalism, especially in the globalized form has some interesting tensions between ROI, a high quality product and general wisdom regarding essential things like food. Globalization seems to commoditize everything which tends to push in the direction of low quality product, the ‘FDA Approved’ minimum acceptable. Higher quality products may be able to survive in this world, but it remains to be seen if they will be driven to a luxury-only niche as healthy food has become in the USA. It will be interesting to see how Russia deals with the ties to Western agribusiness which the sanctions-driven agriculture revamp was supposed to cut.

    Titanium ore is a mass produced commodity for the titanium dioxide market. I think the processing is the main value-added step for titanium metal and is energy intensive. How much cost increase has Boeing experienced by moving from Russian semi-finished titanium products to alternative suppliers? While this change may be good for some US manufacturers, it could be bad for the cost of the 787 which uses a lot of titanium along with the more well-known carbon fiber composites.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @QCIC

    Much agreement here.

    The factory farms were certainly a quick fix focussing on ROI for the state directed oligarchs (fascism in action).

    About 30% of production is based on pre existing Russian resources. There was no attempt to build that up. For example, my last project was bandsaws. Russia did not have high tensile steel to make bandsaws for cutting meat. (Same problem with gun barrels for tanks). Poor cut quality and blade changing cycles reduced yield and productivity. Chinese products were similar. Just before the war, I set up one of the distributors servicing the traditional Russian industry (every Oblast/important Raiion its own slaughter house for the poorer farmers) with a UK supplier. German and Swedish options available too. North America does it differently with diamond cutting wheels. This requires a different layout. The state farms went to the oligarchs. The collective farms are difficult due to ownership structure there is no incentive to invest. Ownership still reflects the (partial) emancipation of the serfs.

    In Soviet times, every Oblast aimed for self sufficiency with maybe an export market for Moscow and St Petersburg. I've picked through the ruins of a bakery baking bread for Moscow 700km from the city. There was a 16 hour train every day which took in the bread. Now flour is delivered to large (mostly British built) bakeries in Moscow.

  177. Well, the year is almost over now.

    In honor of the coming New Year I thought I would post this February 1968 US broadcast of Paul Mauriat performing his ‘Love is Blue’. Like the end of a year and the beginning of a new one, it’s sad and uplifting all at the same time. 🙂

    [Whoever did the choreography and set design on this was thoroughly brilliant. The [French] Empire motif, the harpsichord, the use of ‘the silhouette’ (a popular early 19th century portrait style) at beginning an end…Tops!]

  178. @S
    @songbird


    Curious, as crows are carrion feeders, so one would think that would go against their genetic intincts.
     
    Maybe the crow already had a full stomach and was just feeling in a good mood that day.

    A bit more seriously, crows are relatively intelligent. I've seen videos where a crow appears to be sharing it's food with a dog. So, I suppose it's not an impossibility.

    I've seen other videos of animals where people get carried way on what they think they're seeing, however. A common one is of a young woman singing on the edge of a grassy field, and before long a crowd of cows will appear and surround her. People think, aha, she has a special talent to speak to cows in a special language only they and she understand. But then you see all the other videos on YouTube, where whether it be an accordion being played, a tuba, or, banging on a trashcan lid, the cows will do exactly the same thing.

    I suspect the cows are in reality just curious about what could possibly be making all the racket, and from past experience know, they might just get a food treat for all their trouble from this friendly human besides. :-)

    Replies: @songbird

    But then you see all the other videos on YouTube, where whether it be an accordion being played, a tuba

    The pastoralist in me refuses to believe that cows enjoy jazz.

    I do wonder however if they had some trick in medieval times for getting them into the woods in a hurry, as that is where they would hide them during war and raids. Though, I do suppose cows like to eat certain leaves like elm.

    • LOL: S
  179. 2023 Biggest Foreign Policy Losers

    Jake Sullivan and Brandon, but no Antony Blinken?

    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/foreign-policy-failures-2023/

    Excerpt –

    And these guys …

    Jake Sullivan: Biden’s National Security Advisor penned a Foreign Affairs article entitled “The Sources of American Power,” a 7,000-word attempt to put the best sheen on the Biden Administration’s handling of current geopolitical events. Unfortunately, like much of the White House foreign policy approach over the last three years, it was out of step.

    Acknowledging “perennial challenges” in the Middle East, Sullivan said “the region is quieter than it has been for decades” and that “(we) have deescalated tensions in Gaza and restored direct diplomacy between the parties.” The article was sent to print on Oct. 2, five days before the Hamas attacks on Israel. “Nobody can be expected to predict the future, but the essay offers a rare insight into how the United States misread an explosive situation in the Middle East,” wrote the New York Times, which pointed out that the embarrassing comments were later scrubbed from the online edition of Foreign Affairs. However, Sullivan had been making public comments to the same effect all fall.

    American Generals: This year the retired generals and admirals who had been talking a big game about the Ukrainian counteroffensive and the failures of the Russian military have been forced to eat their words. Special attention should be given to all these four stars and flags (Petraeus, Stavridis, Keene, McCaffrey, Hodges, etc.) who make incessant rotations on major media and provide wrongheaded strategic assessments that are never corrected. They just pop up again in the next conflict.

    Malcolm Nance: One of the most visible pro-Ukraine commentators on major cable and on Twitter, the former Navy cryptologist left MSNBC in 2022 to help train the International Legion of foreign volunteers in Ukraine. His videos and tweets boasted his mission — as he was typically beefed up in uniform and weapons, ostensibly reporting from the combat zone — and drew a massive following of pro-Ukraine partisans.

    Then a New York Times expose dropped the bomb: Nance was enmeshed in a climate of petty squabbling and chaos and among those outsiders in Ukraine who were “fighting with themselves and undermining the war effort.” He left the country and is still a commentator — on his paid subscription-only Substack. He’s shifted to the Gaza War now, including a (week-long) visit to the Gulf States in October, penning posts like, “Ask Yourself, Are You Really for Palestine or Do You Just Hate Jews?” and, very much like his pro-Ukraine Twitter persona of 2022, accusing critics of Israel of “misguided ill informed myopia & latent antisemitism.”

    Dear RS readers: It has been an extraordinary year and our editing team has been working overtime to make sure that we are covering the current conflicts with quality, fresh analysis that doesn’t cleave to the mainstream orthodoxy or take official Washington and the commentariat at face value. Our staff reporters, experts, and outside writers offer top-notch, independent work, daily. Please consider making a tax-exempt, year-end contribution to Responsible Statecraftso that we can continue this quality coverage — which you will find nowhere else — into 2024. Happy Holidays!

  180. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...at least this war secured an EU membership perspective for Ukraine, which is worth a lot (as well as reinvigorating the EU in general).
     
    EU is today a dead-man walking - you haven't noticed? EU peaked in 2005-15, then Brexit, migrants, covid and the disastrous Ukie war dramatically weakened it. That is not my opinion, it is officially discussed in Brussels. There are attempts to reinvigorate EU: centralise taxes-budgets with common EU bonds, abolish 'veto', expansion, but also shrinkage -many would like smaller, richer original EU.

    In the meantime all else is on hold - only hot air promises. Ukraine's chance is actually less than in 2014 or 2010. The zeitgeist has changed and nobody is joining. It is too expensive and the rules can't be negotiated.

    If EU expands - Serbia, Bosnia, Albania, Ukraine, Moldova...it would have to be all of them - the financial balance would literally collapse. UK was the second largest contributor, now it is all on Germany-Holland-Austria-Nordics (France has a deal to "break even"). And Italy is slipping into a country needing heavy subsidies. The expansion simply can't work - do you understand numbers? The speeches for the Ukies and others are just that: empty political promises - in 1990's-2000's the same game was played with Turkey for political gain, then Erdogan got elected.

    Kiev made a fatal strategic error: the attraction of Ukraine was for EU business to get back-door access to the huge Russian market: set-up in Ukraine with cheaper labor, close access, language - use it to sell EU products to Russia. That was the plan, that's what people discussed behind the scene, how to convince Russia to allow it, to buy them. Then the stupid Ukie nationalists and the neo-cons with their Nato obsession blew it.

    That's the story - all else is bloody nonsense by irrational dreamers...."perspective?", what the f..k is that? Go outside and look at the sky if all you want is "perspective". It is about as real.

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Mr. Hack, @silviosilver

    Kiev made a fatal strategic error: the attraction of Ukraine was for EU business to get back-door access to the huge Russian market: set-up in Ukraine with cheaper labor, close access, language – use it to sell EU products to Russia. That was the plan, that’s what people discussed behind the scene, how to convince Russia to allow it, to buy them. Then the stupid Ukie nationalists and the neo-cons with their Nato obsession blew it.

    That’s actually a pretty good summary. Being the good little pro-Russia bootlicker that you are, what you leave out of the story, of course, is that being Russia’s bitch wasn’t really working out too well for Ukrainians either. That’s why Russia-first retards have to play stupid games like “Ukrainians don’t really exist,” trying to gaslight Ukrainians into compliance. All that achieved was pissing off more Ukrainians than ever. Nice work guys. Like, what is it with these goddam megalomaniacal, narcissistic, control-freak Russian fucks who think theirs are the only legitimate interests on the planet? They never really learned to play with the other kids. For this reason alone, anyone whose basic attitude is “fuck Russia” automatically gets sympathy from me.

    • Agree: John Johnson
    • LOL: QCIC
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @silviosilver


    ...anyone whose basic attitude is “f...k Russia” automatically gets sympathy from me.
     
    That's helpful, do you also yell at the moon? If you think that having a normal three-way trade among EU-Russia-Ukraine is being Russia’s bitch you are missing what profitable trade is all about.

    I assume that you are a Polish (?) martyrdom-seeking mudder who lives on hatred of Russia. Fine, there are many like you, some pretend and some really hate, but what you plan to do with it? It is not going to get better for Kiev - they f..ed up royally and they keep on digging themselves into a deeper hole. You should try something else.

    They will not win the war against Russia and Russia will not collapse. Kiev has to negotiate the best deal possible - going back to what made Ukraine attractive for EU in the first place is one of the few levers Kiev has left: to act in some way as a gateway to the huge Russian market.

    But if you prefer martyrdom go for it. Do you really think anyone cares about martyrs? Martyr is a loser who assigns deep meaning to his tragic loss. Why would anyone care?

  181. @silviosilver
    @Beckow


    Kiev made a fatal strategic error: the attraction of Ukraine was for EU business to get back-door access to the huge Russian market: set-up in Ukraine with cheaper labor, close access, language – use it to sell EU products to Russia. That was the plan, that’s what people discussed behind the scene, how to convince Russia to allow it, to buy them. Then the stupid Ukie nationalists and the neo-cons with their Nato obsession blew it.
     
    That's actually a pretty good summary. Being the good little pro-Russia bootlicker that you are, what you leave out of the story, of course, is that being Russia's bitch wasn't really working out too well for Ukrainians either. That's why Russia-first retards have to play stupid games like "Ukrainians don't really exist," trying to gaslight Ukrainians into compliance. All that achieved was pissing off more Ukrainians than ever. Nice work guys. Like, what is it with these goddam megalomaniacal, narcissistic, control-freak Russian fucks who think theirs are the only legitimate interests on the planet? They never really learned to play with the other kids. For this reason alone, anyone whose basic attitude is "fuck Russia" automatically gets sympathy from me.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …anyone whose basic attitude is “f…k Russia” automatically gets sympathy from me.

    That’s helpful, do you also yell at the moon? If you think that having a normal three-way trade among EU-Russia-Ukraine is being Russia’s bitch you are missing what profitable trade is all about.

    I assume that you are a Polish (?) martyrdom-seeking mudder who lives on hatred of Russia. Fine, there are many like you, some pretend and some really hate, but what you plan to do with it? It is not going to get better for Kiev – they f..ed up royally and they keep on digging themselves into a deeper hole. You should try something else.

    They will not win the war against Russia and Russia will not collapse. Kiev has to negotiate the best deal possible – going back to what made Ukraine attractive for EU in the first place is one of the few levers Kiev has left: to act in some way as a gateway to the huge Russian market.

    But if you prefer martyrdom go for it. Do you really think anyone cares about martyrs? Martyr is a loser who assigns deep meaning to his tragic loss. Why would anyone care?

  182. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. XYZ


    Well, at least this war secured an EU membership perspective for Ukraine, which is worth a lot
     
    LOL - the same nothing "EU membership perspective" they have had since 1991, 2004, 2014 and Turkey ( an actual decently run country) has had for decades you POS? It is beyond evil and gives a very bad precedent to use not democratic/economic/legal reforms but war ( and with it embarrassingly high kamikaze deaths of the ukronazis), the extinction of "Ukrainians" to entice the fake perspective ( or even a real perspective) of membership........particularly when the same fundamental problems of hopeless governance, inability to do reforms and mass corruption have never shown ANY progress, and the conditions for them to get even worse are there now.

    as well as reinvigorating the EU in general
     
    A completely nothing, irrelevant statement. All it did is emphasise how interconnected NATO &EU issue is ( one of Russia's main points you cretin).

    It also opened the West’s doors to millions of Ukrainians
     
    Am I reading this stupid nonsense correct? Millions of ukrops were ALREADY in the EU working as toilet cleaners and prostitutes you idiot. Just like millions of Turks have been in Germany for over 50 years, million plus Moldovans, millions of Albanians, Serbs wanting to work high quality jobs in Germany or Czech Republic are easily doing so, millions of Syrians in Germany, about a billion Iranians in every single EU country. Africans. Indians.
    For sure, Poland isn't the west - and you are talking about countries like France, UK, Germany ,Holland, Spain etc but the point is still correct.

    As has been proven numerous time, opening doors to people from hopelessly corrupt, failed shithole countries like Ukraine - where every effort has been made ( and failed hopelessly) to make them more "western" in democracy, finance, court system , governance etc (including western foreigners directly controlling government positions).......it does not and will not make them more western when they go back to the 404.

    The Iraq War might have been worth it. Barely. At least Iraqis have democracy right now, albeit a very flawed and very corrupt form of democracy
     
    And the Holocaust was "worth it" because of the creation of Israel, World Trade Centre attack was "worth it" because with the new building the skyline of New York was improved........
    Any dipshit can wait 30,50,100 years as the world advances and can say any bad event was "good" for it you idiot.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    And the Holocaust was “worth it” because of the creation of Israel,

    Frankly, the creation of Israel has unfortunately turned some Jewish right-wingers into chauvinistic assholes, so I can’t say that Israel’s creation has been an unequivocal positive. I’d gladly trade no Holocaust in exchange for no Israel.

  183. @Barbarossa
    @Mr. XYZ


    whether Tajikistan should support Massoud’s rebels in an attempt to secure some of that Afghan gold near Tajikistan’s borders

     

    I think that would be very unlikely. Any kind of reasonable scale mining requires too high a degree of infrastructure and stability which a weak resistance group would be unable to deliver. If the US can't make it happen than Tajikistan certainly won't be likely to.
    Plus, the Taliban are quite aware that mineral resources are their only path to any kind of economic stability and would not tolerate it.
    It seems like Afghanistan will be dominated by Chinese mining concerns for any foreseeable future, and as AP points out, there are plenty of sources of mineral wealth much closer to home for Russia.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Any chance that we could eventually see a USSR-style breakup of Afghanistan, such as if the Taliban’s rule there will ever significantly destabilize? Or, if you want other examples of this, Austria-Hungary 1918, Czechoslovakia 1993, Yugoslavia 1991+, British India 1947, the Ottoman Empire 1918, and the Russian Empire 1917-1918.

    I also wonder if Burma could see a similar breakup if the military junta there is overthrown sooner or later.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mr. XYZ


    Any chance that we could eventually see a USSR-style breakup of Afghanistan, such as if the Taliban’s rule there will ever significantly destabilize?
     
    It seems unlikely.

    USSR countries had strong central governments that forced less than compatible groups together. The various Taliban factions have a loose & weak national aggregation. Some observers have stated things like, "Look down on a map of Afghanistan, think of every valley as a separate nation".

    In a sense, post USSR status already prevails. For example -- Any mining deal would be negotiated primarily with the local Taliban factions, not the central government. At most Kabul would get a cut for their token sign off.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ

  184. The green heron is another interesting bird.

    You can get this far just from being a seasonally monogamous predator, without the group socialization of “murders” or “unkindnesses.”

    [MORE]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_heron

    _____
    Another potentially interesting approach to interstellar probes would be to send something with an Americium (apologies to GR) RTG, which could have a useful energy shelf-life of 1000 years, unlike the Europium of the Europoors.

    Even Breakthrough Starshot is pontentially trying to work out an Americium battery, which would provide power without the thermocouple.

  185. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    That would still not mean that the US was kicked out of Afghanistan by the Taliban with AK-47s as the previous poster implied.
     
    But it was, for all intents and purposes.

    20 years after the US invaded Afghanistan to remove the Taliban from power, the Taliban controlled more than half of the country and no US soldier would set foot in those parts, except for maybe a hit and run operation. It wasn't another Vietnam because the US (rationally enough) wasn't willing to sustain that sort of casualties.

    If you took part in that adventure the reality is that your superiors decided that too many of you would die trying to defeat the AK-47 wielding and sandal-wearing Taliban. In fact, far too many Americans died for nothing. The end result (return of the Taliban to power) could have been achieved with many less casualties and much less waste of money for America.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson

    That would still not mean that the US was kicked out of Afghanistan by the Taliban with AK-47s as the previous poster implied.

    But it was, for all intents and purposes.

    How did the US lose to AK-47s when they lost more soldiers to car accidents in Florida?

    You watch too many movies. The Taliban rarely engaged US soldiers with AK-47s after they were pushed to the edges.

    20 years after the US invaded Afghanistan to remove the Taliban from power, the Taliban controlled more than half of the country and no US soldier would set foot in those parts, except for maybe a hit and run operation.

    The Taliban lost most of their territory in a year after the invasion:
    https://i0.wp.com/www.thefuldagap.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/War_in_Afganistan_1992%E2%80%932001.png?resize=768%2C623&ssl=1

    The US could have maintained all of that territory and with peacetime level casualties. The problem was the cost. It wasn’t analogous to the Soviet invasion as many falsely assume. The US was quite good at tracking down Taliban and sending F16s to kill them. Well jet fuel is expensive and so is maintaining a modern military base in the desert. The Soviets also used the mountain roads to bring in their supplies. Well the Taliban of course would attack them. The US wouldn’t give them such juicy targets.

    US military losses in Afghanistan were minimal. Most casualties by the Taliban were civilian and by IEDs. They would send in a suicide bomber to a checkpoint and hit the button. The Taliban would lose in small arms engagements. They used hit and run tactics since the US would outrange them.

    If you took part in that adventure the reality is that your superiors decided that too many of you would die trying to defeat the AK-47 wielding and sandal-wearing Taliban.

    I did not serve in Afghanistan and I would not have supported naive “democracy building” plans by both parties. The Taliban rarely killed Americans with small arms. You are mixing up Afghanistan with Iraq. Taliban small arms didn’t work very well once they were pushed out to the caves. The US could see them coming from miles away with satellites. That is why they would wear civilian clothes and use terrorist tactics. There were less than 50 US service fatalities in the last three years. That’s incredibly low for an occupation with a hostile enemy. More sailors die in alcohol related car accidents.

    The problem was really the price of fuel. Not just jet fuel but all the gas that had to be flown in to run air conditioners and humvees. Afghanistan was a red line investment. It wasn’t some battle royale as seen on TV. I didn’t support Biden’s embarrassing exit but we couldn’t subsidize the place for decades.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    How did the US lose to AK-47s when they lost more soldiers to car accidents in Florida?
     
    By allowing the enemy they had been combating for 20 years to occupy Kabul and in fact, control a larger percentage of Afghanistan than they did 20 years earlier. That's how. And yes, this enemy only had light weapons before they looted the arsenals left by the US in its retreat.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  186. AP, off-topic, but did you know that Poles in the former German and Austrian parts of Poland were thriftier even right after independence?

    https://www.maproom.org/00/31/present.php?m=0033

    It feeds into the narrative of Germanic rule encouraging Poles to save more, following the example of the thrifty ethnic Germans themselves.

  187. Would be surprised if this is the prevailing line of thought and action in modern German politics/military, but it would be invaluable if maintained continously and seriously:

    Head of the situation center for Ukraine at the German Defense Ministry, Brigadier General Christian Freiding:

    “The current front line is not the option we need. The political goal should be the restoration of the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine. Whether this could arise from tactical operations in 2024 cannot yet be definitively assessed. But, of course, the demand for restoration of territorial integrity must remain unchanged.

    Russian losses in men and materials are enormous. You know that Western services are publishing figures about 300 thousand Russian soldiers killed or so seriously wounded that they can no longer be used during the war. We estimate they suffered losses of main battle tanks and infantry fighting vehicles in the high four-digit range.

    The Russian armed forces will emerge from this war weakened both materially and personnel-wise. They suffered significant losses, including generals. Moscow took a risk and lost a significant part of the modernized Russian armed forces, both in terms of personnel and modern equipment. The staff they have now recruited is poorly trained.

    Russia will be able to change its position in about five to eight years, and we take this seriously. This window of time will determine what we do if we equip and train our armed forces to be truly capable of deterrence.”

    https://www.sueddeutsche.de/projekte/artikel/politik/ukraine-russland-krieg-bundeswehr-verteidigung-e611912/?reduced=true

  188. For those who don’t know about this creature:
    Mikhail Podolyak is an advisor of clown’s office in Kiev. He is a propagandist of the regime, mostly known for arrogant pronouncements. In particular, he promised a decisive Ukrainian victory in 2023 and said that he will drink coffee in Yalta (Crimea) in 2023.

    Today is December 30, 2023.
    Podolyak just stated that there won’t be any negotiations with Russia, that the RF will be presented with an ultimatum. Do not miss this moment: the cases when caught fish threatens the fisherman with an ultimatum are rare.

    Just out of curiosity: did clown share his cocaine with this guy, or is he too greedy for that?

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7Q4fM5y_1I

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    Do not miss this moment: the cases when caught fish threatens the fisherman with an ultimatum are rare
     
    .

    https://universeoffaith.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Jonah-850x560.jpg

    These events are very rare. The last time it happened the "fisherman" was taken on a life saving ride like no other.
    , @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    Ukronazi terrorist scum carried out another terrorist attack on Belgorod. Lots of casualties, first time they have reached the city properly.

    Attacked during the night with next to no success, appears to have surprised everyone the terrorists then fired from MLRS during daytime - and with it half the victims have been those on the streets or inside car that would not be dead or injured if the
    Nazis were not focused sadistic PR.

    A disaster at any time, particularly with New Year /Christmas about to happen (and even the Christmas Market in the main square targeted by these filthy scum)

    No drones appear to have been used for the daytime attack, and as I say, we have normally intercepted anything fired far before the city. I hope the reason (not the excuse) for no intercept or interceptions once over the city, is due only to the surprise element from these terrorist excrement and similar events will be impossible.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Mikhail
    @AnonfromTN

    Thought the Russians were running out of missiles a year ago?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Philip Owen

  189. @AnonfromTN
    For those who don’t know about this creature:
    Mikhail Podolyak is an advisor of clown’s office in Kiev. He is a propagandist of the regime, mostly known for arrogant pronouncements. In particular, he promised a decisive Ukrainian victory in 2023 and said that he will drink coffee in Yalta (Crimea) in 2023.

    Today is December 30, 2023.
    Podolyak just stated that there won’t be any negotiations with Russia, that the RF will be presented with an ultimatum. Do not miss this moment: the cases when caught fish threatens the fisherman with an ultimatum are rare.

    Just out of curiosity: did clown share his cocaine with this guy, or is he too greedy for that?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234, @Mikhail

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Where's the Waco Kid when we need him?

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    General rule is, when you see your enemy committing suicide, do not interfere. That’s the game Putin plays with the empire and its sidekicks. The funniest thing is, they oblige.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

  190. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7Q4fM5y_1I

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

    Where’s the Waco Kid when we need him?

  191. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7Q4fM5y_1I

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

    General rule is, when you see your enemy committing suicide, do not interfere. That’s the game Putin plays with the empire and its sidekicks. The funniest thing is, they oblige.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    General rule is, when you see your enemy committing suicide, do not interfere.
     
    A more specific quote is attributed to Napoleon Bonaparte, "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."

    It certainly applies to anti-Semite Zelensky's collapsing aggression and failed offensive. And, the mistake that Hamas made in October.

    The Pali = Ukie analogy continues to hold strong.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN

    , @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    General rule is, when you see your enemy committing suicide, do not interfere. That’s the game Putin plays with the empire and its sidekicks. The funniest thing is, they oblige.

    Putin truly is a master game player.

    NATO expanded East via Finland, the Ruble hit a 5 year low, Russian interest rates are at a 20 year high, and he brought back Soviet style food lines:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxtZsUJzMyw

    Boy he sure is playing the empire. Nothing like crippling your own economy while boosting the war industry of the opponent:
    https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/wars-raise-profit-outlook-us-defense-industry-2024-2023-12-18/

    RECORD PROFITS FOR US WAR INDUSTRIES

    PUTIN 2024 AND BEYOND!!!!

  192. @Mr. XYZ
    @Barbarossa

    Any chance that we could eventually see a USSR-style breakup of Afghanistan, such as if the Taliban's rule there will ever significantly destabilize? Or, if you want other examples of this, Austria-Hungary 1918, Czechoslovakia 1993, Yugoslavia 1991+, British India 1947, the Ottoman Empire 1918, and the Russian Empire 1917-1918.

    I also wonder if Burma could see a similar breakup if the military junta there is overthrown sooner or later.

    Replies: @A123

    Any chance that we could eventually see a USSR-style breakup of Afghanistan, such as if the Taliban’s rule there will ever significantly destabilize?

    It seems unlikely.

    USSR countries had strong central governments that forced less than compatible groups together. The various Taliban factions have a loose & weak national aggregation. Some observers have stated things like, “Look down on a map of Afghanistan, think of every valley as a separate nation”.

    In a sense, post USSR status already prevails. For example — Any mining deal would be negotiated primarily with the local Taliban factions, not the central government. At most Kabul would get a cut for their token sign off.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    Afghanistan is more about religion than economics.

    The Taliban believe they have a divine right to rule over their country with Islamic law. They don't fear death as they believe they will enter paradise after being killed in battle.

    The local population is also Muslim but without the fanaticism.

    You can see the problem if you look at it from the typical Muslim goat herder.

    1. Risk your life defending freedom/rights that probably won't change much of your daily routine
    2. Let the Taliban rule even if they are assholes and look the other way

    Afghans don't value their personal freedoms as much as Anglos. Muslims in general view this life as temporary and in third world countries they have a much more degraded view of the individual.

    Mr. Hack asked if there could be a USSR style breakup of Afghanistan. The is highly unlikely but we would have been better off creating Serfdoms even if they would have offended the democracy builders. Afghans are similar to Arabs in that they do better with direct orders under a strong male authority. Saddam was a world class asshole and yet he still had Arabs signing up to fight for him after his disastrous Iran war. Both Arabs and Africans most likely have "big man" servitude genes built into them. Something clicks in their brains and they serve the leader just like dogs serving the Alpha.

    The real way to subdue Afghanistan is to take a page from successful colonizers of history. You don't bother trying to convince the natives to take your side. What you do is build a new class/ethnic group that rules over the country. You create a minority whose best interest is to remain in power and serve the colonizer. But our politicians are dopes that think a dash of democracy 'n freedom can turn a third world country into a US state. It also doesn't solve the "vote in the extremists" problem. You give them a vanilla democracy and they vote in people that promptly abolish it. I don't want to sound too cynical as Iraq is doing well. But Afghanistan needed a better plan that dealt with the ongoing threat of the Taliban. Creating a city council and then walking away was not going to work.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @A123

    I suspect that you're underestimating the Taliban's centralizing tendencies. If anyone can succeed in turning Afghanistan into a centralized multiethnic nation-state, it would probably be them.

    Replies: @A123

  193. @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    General rule is, when you see your enemy committing suicide, do not interfere. That’s the game Putin plays with the empire and its sidekicks. The funniest thing is, they oblige.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

    General rule is, when you see your enemy committing suicide, do not interfere.

    A more specific quote is attributed to Napoleon Bonaparte, “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”

    It certainly applies to anti-Semite Zelensky’s collapsing aggression and failed offensive. And, the mistake that Hamas made in October.

    The Pali = Ukie analogy continues to hold strong.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    I think that you're the real anti-semite here, always pouring out your hatred for Zelensky. And your goofy theories about Islamic Europe, that nobody here believes in (give me a break).

    https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2020/01/F200123SC04-e1579781686592.jpg

    , @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    The Pali = Ukie analogy continues to hold strong.
     
    Your geopolitical views are woefully messed up. The Ukie regime, being an obsequious third-rate imperial vassal, expressed its firm support for the first-rate vassal of the same empire, Israel. Hamas is supported by Iran, one of the most anti-imperial countries.

    So, in reality, Ukie regime = Israeli regime. Birds of a feather.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

  194. @AnonfromTN
    For those who don’t know about this creature:
    Mikhail Podolyak is an advisor of clown’s office in Kiev. He is a propagandist of the regime, mostly known for arrogant pronouncements. In particular, he promised a decisive Ukrainian victory in 2023 and said that he will drink coffee in Yalta (Crimea) in 2023.

    Today is December 30, 2023.
    Podolyak just stated that there won’t be any negotiations with Russia, that the RF will be presented with an ultimatum. Do not miss this moment: the cases when caught fish threatens the fisherman with an ultimatum are rare.

    Just out of curiosity: did clown share his cocaine with this guy, or is he too greedy for that?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234, @Mikhail

    Do not miss this moment: the cases when caught fish threatens the fisherman with an ultimatum are rare

    .

    These events are very rare. The last time it happened the “fisherman” was taken on a life saving ride like no other.

  195. @AnonfromTN
    For those who don’t know about this creature:
    Mikhail Podolyak is an advisor of clown’s office in Kiev. He is a propagandist of the regime, mostly known for arrogant pronouncements. In particular, he promised a decisive Ukrainian victory in 2023 and said that he will drink coffee in Yalta (Crimea) in 2023.

    Today is December 30, 2023.
    Podolyak just stated that there won’t be any negotiations with Russia, that the RF will be presented with an ultimatum. Do not miss this moment: the cases when caught fish threatens the fisherman with an ultimatum are rare.

    Just out of curiosity: did clown share his cocaine with this guy, or is he too greedy for that?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234, @Mikhail

    Ukronazi terrorist scum carried out another terrorist attack on Belgorod. Lots of casualties, first time they have reached the city properly.

    Attacked during the night with next to no success, appears to have surprised everyone the terrorists then fired from MLRS during daytime – and with it half the victims have been those on the streets or inside car that would not be dead or injured if the
    Nazis were not focused sadistic PR.

    A disaster at any time, particularly with New Year /Christmas about to happen (and even the Christmas Market in the main square targeted by these filthy scum)

    No drones appear to have been used for the daytime attack, and as I say, we have normally intercepted anything fired far before the city. I hope the reason (not the excuse) for no intercept or interceptions once over the city, is due only to the surprise element from these terrorist excrement and similar events will be impossible.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Gerard1234


    A disaster at any time, particularly with New Year /Christmas about to happen (and even the Christmas Market in the main square targeted by these filthy scum)
     
    Final tall of Ukie attack on Belgorod: 14 people killed (including two children), 108 people wounded (including 15 children). Nothing of military importance was targeted, only civilian areas.

    According to the RF defense ministry, Ukies used projectiles from multiple rocket launcher “Olha” and Chech-supplied “Vampire”. They say that all were intercepted, but “Olha” missiles were cassette, and several cassettes fell on the city and exploded. I have no way of checking this info.

    Defense ministry also said that this Ukie crime will be punished. That I believe without checking.

    Ukie tactics is the same they used against Crimea and Donbass since 2014: do everything to make local people hate Ukies as strongly as possible.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @John Johnson

  196. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    General rule is, when you see your enemy committing suicide, do not interfere.
     
    A more specific quote is attributed to Napoleon Bonaparte, "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."

    It certainly applies to anti-Semite Zelensky's collapsing aggression and failed offensive. And, the mistake that Hamas made in October.

    The Pali = Ukie analogy continues to hold strong.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN

    I think that you’re the real anti-semite here, always pouring out your hatred for Zelensky. And your goofy theories about Islamic Europe, that nobody here believes in (give me a break).

  197. @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    General rule is, when you see your enemy committing suicide, do not interfere. That’s the game Putin plays with the empire and its sidekicks. The funniest thing is, they oblige.

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

    General rule is, when you see your enemy committing suicide, do not interfere. That’s the game Putin plays with the empire and its sidekicks. The funniest thing is, they oblige.

    Putin truly is a master game player.

    NATO expanded East via Finland, the Ruble hit a 5 year low, Russian interest rates are at a 20 year high, and he brought back Soviet style food lines:

    Boy he sure is playing the empire. Nothing like crippling your own economy while boosting the war industry of the opponent:
    https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/wars-raise-profit-outlook-us-defense-industry-2024-2023-12-18/

    RECORD PROFITS FOR US WAR INDUSTRIES

    PUTIN 2024 AND BEYOND!!!!

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  198. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    General rule is, when you see your enemy committing suicide, do not interfere.
     
    A more specific quote is attributed to Napoleon Bonaparte, "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."

    It certainly applies to anti-Semite Zelensky's collapsing aggression and failed offensive. And, the mistake that Hamas made in October.

    The Pali = Ukie analogy continues to hold strong.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN

    The Pali = Ukie analogy continues to hold strong.

    Your geopolitical views are woefully messed up. The Ukie regime, being an obsequious third-rate imperial vassal, expressed its firm support for the first-rate vassal of the same empire, Israel. Hamas is supported by Iran, one of the most anti-imperial countries.

    So, in reality, Ukie regime = Israeli regime. Birds of a feather.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    What, no words of wisdom for JJ, just above? I thought that you'd comeback from your long hiatus fully rested and ready to shill for Putler's Russia, and yet you duck the hard facts and questions? How very disappointing, another kremlin stooge weakling. :-(

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AnonfromTN

    , @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    Your geopolitical views are woefully messed up.

    The Ukie regime, being an obsequious third-rate vassal, is firmly tied its European imperial masters, Germany & France. At the same time, anti-Semite Zelensky spat on non-imperial countries such as Israel (1).

    Hamas, like Kiev, is supported by outside forces. This includes Iran, one of the most imperial countries on the planet. Khamenei aspires to his Shia Crescent through (at a minimum) Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and ultimately Jewish Palestine.

     
    https://www.middleeastbriefing.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Shia-Crescent-Crescent.jpg
     

    So, in reality:
        • Ukie regime is a vassal to the European Empire.
        • Hamas regime is a vassal to Iranian Empire.

    The parallel is intuitively obvious. Birds of a feather. Kiev/Hamas doxies act as their imperial masters dictate.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lawmakers-tear-into-zelensky-for-holocaust-comparisons-in-knesset-speech/

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  199. @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    Ukronazi terrorist scum carried out another terrorist attack on Belgorod. Lots of casualties, first time they have reached the city properly.

    Attacked during the night with next to no success, appears to have surprised everyone the terrorists then fired from MLRS during daytime - and with it half the victims have been those on the streets or inside car that would not be dead or injured if the
    Nazis were not focused sadistic PR.

    A disaster at any time, particularly with New Year /Christmas about to happen (and even the Christmas Market in the main square targeted by these filthy scum)

    No drones appear to have been used for the daytime attack, and as I say, we have normally intercepted anything fired far before the city. I hope the reason (not the excuse) for no intercept or interceptions once over the city, is due only to the surprise element from these terrorist excrement and similar events will be impossible.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    A disaster at any time, particularly with New Year /Christmas about to happen (and even the Christmas Market in the main square targeted by these filthy scum)

    Final tall of Ukie attack on Belgorod: 14 people killed (including two children), 108 people wounded (including 15 children). Nothing of military importance was targeted, only civilian areas.

    According to the RF defense ministry, Ukies used projectiles from multiple rocket launcher “Olha” and Chech-supplied “Vampire”. They say that all were intercepted, but “Olha” missiles were cassette, and several cassettes fell on the city and exploded. I have no way of checking this info.

    Defense ministry also said that this Ukie crime will be punished. That I believe without checking.

    Ukie tactics is the same they used against Crimea and Donbass since 2014: do everything to make local people hate Ukies as strongly as possible.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    Ukraine is finally taking off the kid's gloves and retaliating for a huge missile assault on cities across Ukraine, just the day before. 31 civilians killed; no military objects touched. This is the kind of thing that happens when one country crosses the borders of its neighbor and foments war.

    https://youtu.be/ks85iiavpmk

    Russian civilians feel the pain that Ukrainians have been feeling for 2 years now. Russians go home!

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC

    , @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    Ukie tactics is the same they used against Crimea and Donbass since 2014: do everything to make local people hate Ukies as strongly as possible.

    And you would say that Putin is winning over the locals by bombing them?

    This is what the world saw on their holiday break:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUMxB8kZch0

    Putin the genius thinks it is a good idea to attack civilian areas over the holidays while Congress deliberates over another weapons package.

    Good thinking dwarf.

    Replies: @QCIC

  200. @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    The Pali = Ukie analogy continues to hold strong.
     
    Your geopolitical views are woefully messed up. The Ukie regime, being an obsequious third-rate imperial vassal, expressed its firm support for the first-rate vassal of the same empire, Israel. Hamas is supported by Iran, one of the most anti-imperial countries.

    So, in reality, Ukie regime = Israeli regime. Birds of a feather.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    What, no words of wisdom for JJ, just above? I thought that you’d comeback from your long hiatus fully rested and ready to shill for Putler’s Russia, and yet you duck the hard facts and questions? How very disappointing, another kremlin stooge weakling. 🙁

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. Hack

    I actually tried some Tennessee moonshine at a Christmas party.

    YUCK.

    Tasted like melted ice cream. The South really needs to give the sweets a break.

    But they do have really good hot chicken. Hatty B's or whatever in Nashville is the best chicken I've had in the US.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    What, no words of wisdom for JJ, just above?
     
    I respond to real people, sometimes even to stupid ones. I do not respond to paid trolls.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  201. @A123
    @Mr. XYZ


    Any chance that we could eventually see a USSR-style breakup of Afghanistan, such as if the Taliban’s rule there will ever significantly destabilize?
     
    It seems unlikely.

    USSR countries had strong central governments that forced less than compatible groups together. The various Taliban factions have a loose & weak national aggregation. Some observers have stated things like, "Look down on a map of Afghanistan, think of every valley as a separate nation".

    In a sense, post USSR status already prevails. For example -- Any mining deal would be negotiated primarily with the local Taliban factions, not the central government. At most Kabul would get a cut for their token sign off.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ

    Afghanistan is more about religion than economics.

    The Taliban believe they have a divine right to rule over their country with Islamic law. They don’t fear death as they believe they will enter paradise after being killed in battle.

    The local population is also Muslim but without the fanaticism.

    You can see the problem if you look at it from the typical Muslim goat herder.

    1. Risk your life defending freedom/rights that probably won’t change much of your daily routine
    2. Let the Taliban rule even if they are assholes and look the other way

    Afghans don’t value their personal freedoms as much as Anglos. Muslims in general view this life as temporary and in third world countries they have a much more degraded view of the individual.

    Mr. Hack asked if there could be a USSR style breakup of Afghanistan. The is highly unlikely but we would have been better off creating Serfdoms even if they would have offended the democracy builders. Afghans are similar to Arabs in that they do better with direct orders under a strong male authority. Saddam was a world class asshole and yet he still had Arabs signing up to fight for him after his disastrous Iran war. Both Arabs and Africans most likely have “big man” servitude genes built into them. Something clicks in their brains and they serve the leader just like dogs serving the Alpha.

    The real way to subdue Afghanistan is to take a page from successful colonizers of history. You don’t bother trying to convince the natives to take your side. What you do is build a new class/ethnic group that rules over the country. You create a minority whose best interest is to remain in power and serve the colonizer. But our politicians are dopes that think a dash of democracy ‘n freedom can turn a third world country into a US state. It also doesn’t solve the “vote in the extremists” problem. You give them a vanilla democracy and they vote in people that promptly abolish it. I don’t want to sound too cynical as Iraq is doing well. But Afghanistan needed a better plan that dealt with the ongoing threat of the Taliban. Creating a city council and then walking away was not going to work.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    What you do is build a new class/ethnic group that rules over the country. You create a minority whose best interest is to remain in power and serve the colonizer.
     
    This is essentially Syria right now, no? Assad is an Alawite and Alawites and other Syrian minorities, along with at least some moderate Syrian Sunnis, prefer Assad to the Syrian opposition as the lesser evil.

    Of course, Assad has also been trying to Shi'ify Syria in recent years, with some success (Alawites are an offshoot of Shi'ism but have their own unique beliefs, such as being pro-wine and pro-reincarnation, so it's easier to try getting Sunni Syrians to convert to Shi'ism rather than to Alawism itself):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_crescent

    Demographic transformations and Shiization
    In 2017 or later, Hussain Ibrahim Qutrib, an Associate Professor of Geomorphology at the King Faisal Center for Research and Islamic Studies, wrote an article about the demographic changes that have occurred in "Useful Syria" as a result of the Syrian Civil War.[16] Specifically, Qutrib defined "Useful Syria" similar to how Syrian President Bashar al-Assad defined this term in early 2016—as in, including the Syrian governorates of Damascus, Rif Dimashq, Homs, Hama, Latakia, and Tartus.[16]

    Qutrib pointed out that these six governorates contained 46% of Syria's total population at the end of 2011—as in, 9.8 million people out of a total Syrian population of almost 21.4 million people at that point in time.[16] Qutrib points out that, at the end of 2011, the demographics of "Useful Syria" were 69% Sunni, 21% Alawite (which is an offshoot of Shi'a Islam), 1% Shi'a, 1% Druze, 2% Ismaili, and 6% Christian.[16]

    In contrast, by 2016, the population of "Useful Syria" fell from 9.8 million to 7.6 million but its demographics have also significantly changed in the intervening five years; in 2016, "Useful Syria" was just 52% Sunni, 24% Alawite, 13% Shi'a, 1% Druze, 3% Ismaili, and 7% Christian—with the main change being the explosive growth of the Shi'a population in "Useful Syria" between 2011 and 2016.[16]

    The demographic transformations in Rif Dimashq and Homs governorate between 2011 and 2016 were especially notable: Rif Dimashq went from 87% Sunni in 2011 to 54% Sunni in 2016 while the Homs governorate went from 64% Sunni to 21% Sunni between 2011 and 2016.[16] This demographic transformation has been described by Qutrib as Shiization.[16]
     
  202. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    What, no words of wisdom for JJ, just above? I thought that you'd comeback from your long hiatus fully rested and ready to shill for Putler's Russia, and yet you duck the hard facts and questions? How very disappointing, another kremlin stooge weakling. :-(

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AnonfromTN

    I actually tried some Tennessee moonshine at a Christmas party.

    YUCK.

    Tasted like melted ice cream. The South really needs to give the sweets a break.

    But they do have really good hot chicken. Hatty B’s or whatever in Nashville is the best chicken I’ve had in the US.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    I've cut way down on my use of alcoholic beverages. I've got a bottle of Jim Beam in my small bar almost full that was opened up about 5 years ago. Even a really good bottle of Croatian plum brandy that I purchased last Easter is still 3/4 full. I average about one bottle of red wine per month now. I've embraced a healthier lifestyle, and alcohol has less appeal for me than it used to.

    At my company's Christmas party this year, I had only two Bloody Mary's the whole evening.

    , @A123
    @John Johnson

    Flavored moonshine is a current "fad".

     
    https://www.sciotopost.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Screenshot-2022-10-05-151441.jpg
     

    Run the other direction when it is served.

    PEACE 😇

  203. @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    The Pali = Ukie analogy continues to hold strong.
     
    Your geopolitical views are woefully messed up. The Ukie regime, being an obsequious third-rate imperial vassal, expressed its firm support for the first-rate vassal of the same empire, Israel. Hamas is supported by Iran, one of the most anti-imperial countries.

    So, in reality, Ukie regime = Israeli regime. Birds of a feather.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    Your geopolitical views are woefully messed up.

    The Ukie regime, being an obsequious third-rate vassal, is firmly tied its European imperial masters, Germany & France. At the same time, anti-Semite Zelensky spat on non-imperial countries such as Israel (1).

    Hamas, like Kiev, is supported by outside forces. This includes Iran, one of the most imperial countries on the planet. Khamenei aspires to his Shia Crescent through (at a minimum) Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and ultimately Jewish Palestine.

     

     

    So, in reality:
        • Ukie regime is a vassal to the European Empire.
        • Hamas regime is a vassal to Iranian Empire.

    The parallel is intuitively obvious. Birds of a feather. Kiev/Hamas doxies act as their imperial masters dictate.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lawmakers-tear-into-zelensky-for-holocaust-comparisons-in-knesset-speech/

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    The Ukie regime, being an obsequious third-rate vassal, is firmly tied its European imperial masters, Germany & France. At the same time, anti-Semite Zelensky spat on non-imperial countries such as Israel (1).
     
    Germany and France are important allies for Ukraine, but the US is obviously Ukraine's biggest backer. Zelensky always visits the US when any important bills are being deliberated.

    • Ukie regime is a vassal to the European Empire.
     
    Ukraine, a vassal of Europe? You can't even substantiate this silly notion with any proof (because there is none). Another one of your half cocked theories.

    Provide me your address and I'll send you my slightly used bottle of JB. You'll need it to help you continue writing your ridiculous theories!
  204. @AnonfromTN
    @Gerard1234


    A disaster at any time, particularly with New Year /Christmas about to happen (and even the Christmas Market in the main square targeted by these filthy scum)
     
    Final tall of Ukie attack on Belgorod: 14 people killed (including two children), 108 people wounded (including 15 children). Nothing of military importance was targeted, only civilian areas.

    According to the RF defense ministry, Ukies used projectiles from multiple rocket launcher “Olha” and Chech-supplied “Vampire”. They say that all were intercepted, but “Olha” missiles were cassette, and several cassettes fell on the city and exploded. I have no way of checking this info.

    Defense ministry also said that this Ukie crime will be punished. That I believe without checking.

    Ukie tactics is the same they used against Crimea and Donbass since 2014: do everything to make local people hate Ukies as strongly as possible.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @John Johnson

    Ukraine is finally taking off the kid’s gloves and retaliating for a huge missile assault on cities across Ukraine, just the day before. 31 civilians killed; no military objects touched. This is the kind of thing that happens when one country crosses the borders of its neighbor and foments war.

    Russian civilians feel the pain that Ukrainians have been feeling for 2 years now. Russians go home!

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Yeah, it is accelerating. But I don't know why that makes you happy, as restraints get removed Russia will have even more of an upper hand. You are pining for an all-out-war on civilians the way Nato and Israel fight, don't you feel sorry for the Ukie civilians?

    Think about the inevitable dynamic: the weaker party can't escalate by breaking rules if the stronger party holds firm. It is a simple willpower question: do you think Kiev will break Russia's will with attacks on their civilians?

    You should stick to WalMart lines Johnson showed above and stay out of the grown-up business. This is a war, not reading of retarded whale stories in Sunday school.

    The shaman in Kiev has failed, there is no rain. Now he is pissing on anything he can on his way out. Failed shamans are not much in demand, look up what happens to them.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    , @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Ukies don't have any gloves to remove, they have been all-in since the beginning. They know Russia will respond strongly to this attack so I see several possible reasons for such a strike:

    -Bomb Belgorod to somehow fire up western support for Ukraine. The Israelis have been genocidally killing a great many civilians and their support is still rising in some quarters, so it is possible the Ukie leaders (or their Jewish masters) are dumb enough to try the same gambit.

    -Bomb Belgorod to provoke a harsh reaction from Russia which seems very likely. The goal is to generate a NATO backlash against Russia's reaction and increase NATO involvement. I don't know if Russia cares about a backlash, if so she may emphasize military targets even if they are not such a high priority. If no, then all bets are off. Maybe a decapitation strike against key Ukrainian leaders?

    -Ukies, especially sellouts and NeoNazis know they are cooked and just want to go out in a blaze of fire.

    I wonder if the Russian weapons factories are working three shifts yet?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack

  205. @John Johnson
    @Mr. Hack

    I actually tried some Tennessee moonshine at a Christmas party.

    YUCK.

    Tasted like melted ice cream. The South really needs to give the sweets a break.

    But they do have really good hot chicken. Hatty B's or whatever in Nashville is the best chicken I've had in the US.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    I’ve cut way down on my use of alcoholic beverages. I’ve got a bottle of Jim Beam in my small bar almost full that was opened up about 5 years ago. Even a really good bottle of Croatian plum brandy that I purchased last Easter is still 3/4 full. I average about one bottle of red wine per month now. I’ve embraced a healthier lifestyle, and alcohol has less appeal for me than it used to.

    At my company’s Christmas party this year, I had only two Bloody Mary’s the whole evening.

  206. @AnonfromTN
    @Gerard1234


    A disaster at any time, particularly with New Year /Christmas about to happen (and even the Christmas Market in the main square targeted by these filthy scum)
     
    Final tall of Ukie attack on Belgorod: 14 people killed (including two children), 108 people wounded (including 15 children). Nothing of military importance was targeted, only civilian areas.

    According to the RF defense ministry, Ukies used projectiles from multiple rocket launcher “Olha” and Chech-supplied “Vampire”. They say that all were intercepted, but “Olha” missiles were cassette, and several cassettes fell on the city and exploded. I have no way of checking this info.

    Defense ministry also said that this Ukie crime will be punished. That I believe without checking.

    Ukie tactics is the same they used against Crimea and Donbass since 2014: do everything to make local people hate Ukies as strongly as possible.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @John Johnson

    Ukie tactics is the same they used against Crimea and Donbass since 2014: do everything to make local people hate Ukies as strongly as possible.

    And you would say that Putin is winning over the locals by bombing them?

    This is what the world saw on their holiday break:

    Putin the genius thinks it is a good idea to attack civilian areas over the holidays while Congress deliberates over another weapons package.

    Good thinking dwarf.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    The Ukrainians have been attacking civilians since the beginning, that is one reason Russia got seriously involved. The Ukies have also been known to use human shields by placing air defenses near civilians. This is predictable in a conflict where the puppet stirs up a war for its masters (USA/NATO) who do not care about the civilians on either side. From the masters' perspective more dead and more chaos on both sides is better.

  207. @John Johnson
    @Mr. Hack

    I actually tried some Tennessee moonshine at a Christmas party.

    YUCK.

    Tasted like melted ice cream. The South really needs to give the sweets a break.

    But they do have really good hot chicken. Hatty B's or whatever in Nashville is the best chicken I've had in the US.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    Flavored moonshine is a current “fad”.

     

     

    Run the other direction when it is served.

    PEACE 😇

  208. @John Johnson
    @Mikel


    That would still not mean that the US was kicked out of Afghanistan by the Taliban with AK-47s as the previous poster implied.
     
    But it was, for all intents and purposes.

    How did the US lose to AK-47s when they lost more soldiers to car accidents in Florida?

    You watch too many movies. The Taliban rarely engaged US soldiers with AK-47s after they were pushed to the edges.

    20 years after the US invaded Afghanistan to remove the Taliban from power, the Taliban controlled more than half of the country and no US soldier would set foot in those parts, except for maybe a hit and run operation.

    The Taliban lost most of their territory in a year after the invasion:
    https://i0.wp.com/www.thefuldagap.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/War_in_Afganistan_1992%E2%80%932001.png?resize=768%2C623&ssl=1

    The US could have maintained all of that territory and with peacetime level casualties. The problem was the cost. It wasn't analogous to the Soviet invasion as many falsely assume. The US was quite good at tracking down Taliban and sending F16s to kill them. Well jet fuel is expensive and so is maintaining a modern military base in the desert. The Soviets also used the mountain roads to bring in their supplies. Well the Taliban of course would attack them. The US wouldn't give them such juicy targets.

    US military losses in Afghanistan were minimal. Most casualties by the Taliban were civilian and by IEDs. They would send in a suicide bomber to a checkpoint and hit the button. The Taliban would lose in small arms engagements. They used hit and run tactics since the US would outrange them.

    If you took part in that adventure the reality is that your superiors decided that too many of you would die trying to defeat the AK-47 wielding and sandal-wearing Taliban.

    I did not serve in Afghanistan and I would not have supported naive "democracy building" plans by both parties. The Taliban rarely killed Americans with small arms. You are mixing up Afghanistan with Iraq. Taliban small arms didn't work very well once they were pushed out to the caves. The US could see them coming from miles away with satellites. That is why they would wear civilian clothes and use terrorist tactics. There were less than 50 US service fatalities in the last three years. That's incredibly low for an occupation with a hostile enemy. More sailors die in alcohol related car accidents.

    The problem was really the price of fuel. Not just jet fuel but all the gas that had to be flown in to run air conditioners and humvees. Afghanistan was a red line investment. It wasn't some battle royale as seen on TV. I didn't support Biden's embarrassing exit but we couldn't subsidize the place for decades.

    Replies: @Mikel

    How did the US lose to AK-47s when they lost more soldiers to car accidents in Florida?

    By allowing the enemy they had been combating for 20 years to occupy Kabul and in fact, control a larger percentage of Afghanistan than they did 20 years earlier. That’s how. And yes, this enemy only had light weapons before they looted the arsenals left by the US in its retreat.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    By allowing the enemy they had been combating for 20 years to occupy Kabul and in fact, control a larger percentage of Afghanistan than they did 20 years earlier. That’s how.

    That isn't losing in battle. There was no battle.

    The US left because it was too expensive to maintain.

    Name a single US soldier killed in a battle involving small arms in the last year. You won't be able to because no such battle happened. The Taliban was not running around in sandals with AK-47s while engaging US troops. That is an imagined projection based on other wars. The Taliban would get their asses kicked in such battles even if they somehow made it close enough to a US soldier. They learned that within the first year where there was actually direct combat.

    And yes, this enemy only had light weapons before they looted the arsenals left by the US in its retreat.

    The arsenals were left by the Afghan security forces and not the US. They had been full transferred just as weapons have been transferred to Ukraine.

    Those security forces didn't even bother disabling their Humvees and machine guns as they were trained. Biden knew that the Taliban would eventually win but still expected a battle. The Afghan security forces didn't engage in a single action. The US would have disabled the equipment if they had known the outcome. You can disable a 50 caliber machine gun in less than 5 minutes. Which means the Afghan security forces couldn't bother with a 5 minute procedure. I hope at least that more US politicians realize that third world countries are not filled with repressed Europeans that are just held back by Islam or socialism. Of course I half expect some politician to eventually decree that Haiti or Liberia just needs US soldiers and a good o'l dose of democracy. The appeal of race not existing and liberalism or capitalism being everything is too appealing to the idealistic Anglo.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Beckow

  209. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    Ukraine is finally taking off the kid's gloves and retaliating for a huge missile assault on cities across Ukraine, just the day before. 31 civilians killed; no military objects touched. This is the kind of thing that happens when one country crosses the borders of its neighbor and foments war.

    https://youtu.be/ks85iiavpmk

    Russian civilians feel the pain that Ukrainians have been feeling for 2 years now. Russians go home!

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC

    Yeah, it is accelerating. But I don’t know why that makes you happy, as restraints get removed Russia will have even more of an upper hand. You are pining for an all-out-war on civilians the way Nato and Israel fight, don’t you feel sorry for the Ukie civilians?

    Think about the inevitable dynamic: the weaker party can’t escalate by breaking rules if the stronger party holds firm. It is a simple willpower question: do you think Kiev will break Russia’s will with attacks on their civilians?

    You should stick to WalMart lines Johnson showed above and stay out of the grown-up business. This is a war, not reading of retarded whale stories in Sunday school.

    The shaman in Kiev has failed, there is no rain. Now he is pissing on anything he can on his way out. Failed shamans are not much in demand, look up what happens to them.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Beckow

    Recalling what Biden said about Hamas not being able to shoot straight regarding a questionable claim on what hit a Gaza hospital. Regarding Israeli claims, Russia comparatively has no less a valid point (and an arguably much better one) concerning the Kiev regime using civilian infrastructure as human shields and launching projectiles that end up killing civilians in the process.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/589918-un-ukraine-air-defenses/

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    Me happy??....


    This is a war, not reading of retarded whale stories in Sunday school.
     
    There are a lot of excellent stories within the Bible regarding war and peace. Here's a classic that's imagery should even resonate with any boorish atheist:

    https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2G8DRK2/david-raises-the-head-of-goliath-as-illustrated-by-josephine-pollard-1899-2G8DRK2.jpg
    You see, even in ancient times it was well know that it wasn't necessarily the side that had the greater number of combatants that would always with the war. The ancients could differentiate between the numbers and "meat-waives", and the side that had more nimble and advanced technology on its side. :-)

    Replies: @Beckow

  210. @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    Your geopolitical views are woefully messed up.

    The Ukie regime, being an obsequious third-rate vassal, is firmly tied its European imperial masters, Germany & France. At the same time, anti-Semite Zelensky spat on non-imperial countries such as Israel (1).

    Hamas, like Kiev, is supported by outside forces. This includes Iran, one of the most imperial countries on the planet. Khamenei aspires to his Shia Crescent through (at a minimum) Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and ultimately Jewish Palestine.

     
    https://www.middleeastbriefing.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Shia-Crescent-Crescent.jpg
     

    So, in reality:
        • Ukie regime is a vassal to the European Empire.
        • Hamas regime is a vassal to Iranian Empire.

    The parallel is intuitively obvious. Birds of a feather. Kiev/Hamas doxies act as their imperial masters dictate.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-lawmakers-tear-into-zelensky-for-holocaust-comparisons-in-knesset-speech/

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    The Ukie regime, being an obsequious third-rate vassal, is firmly tied its European imperial masters, Germany & France. At the same time, anti-Semite Zelensky spat on non-imperial countries such as Israel (1).

    Germany and France are important allies for Ukraine, but the US is obviously Ukraine’s biggest backer. Zelensky always visits the US when any important bills are being deliberated.

    • Ukie regime is a vassal to the European Empire.

    Ukraine, a vassal of Europe? You can’t even substantiate this silly notion with any proof (because there is none). Another one of your half cocked theories.

    Provide me your address and I’ll send you my slightly used bottle of JB. You’ll need it to help you continue writing your ridiculous theories!

  211. @AnonfromTN
    For those who don’t know about this creature:
    Mikhail Podolyak is an advisor of clown’s office in Kiev. He is a propagandist of the regime, mostly known for arrogant pronouncements. In particular, he promised a decisive Ukrainian victory in 2023 and said that he will drink coffee in Yalta (Crimea) in 2023.

    Today is December 30, 2023.
    Podolyak just stated that there won’t be any negotiations with Russia, that the RF will be presented with an ultimatum. Do not miss this moment: the cases when caught fish threatens the fisherman with an ultimatum are rare.

    Just out of curiosity: did clown share his cocaine with this guy, or is he too greedy for that?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234, @Mikhail

    Thought the Russians were running out of missiles a year ago?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mikhail


    Thought the Russians were running out of missiles a year ago?
     
    That was a schtick of the empire and its sidekicks for a while, but they abandoned it now (likely figured that even a clinical idiot won’t believe it). While they kept repeating this BS, I saw an interesting trolling from a Russian commenter: after one of massive rocket attacks on Ukies in 2022 s/he wrote: “good thing we ran out of rockets months ago, otherwise they’d blame it on Russia”.
    , @Philip Owen
    @Mikhail

    They did. They were launching 60 missile barrages a week last winter. They are down to current production so many fewer launches. Bigger ones because they've built up their launch capacity.

    Replies: @sudden death

  212. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Yeah, it is accelerating. But I don't know why that makes you happy, as restraints get removed Russia will have even more of an upper hand. You are pining for an all-out-war on civilians the way Nato and Israel fight, don't you feel sorry for the Ukie civilians?

    Think about the inevitable dynamic: the weaker party can't escalate by breaking rules if the stronger party holds firm. It is a simple willpower question: do you think Kiev will break Russia's will with attacks on their civilians?

    You should stick to WalMart lines Johnson showed above and stay out of the grown-up business. This is a war, not reading of retarded whale stories in Sunday school.

    The shaman in Kiev has failed, there is no rain. Now he is pissing on anything he can on his way out. Failed shamans are not much in demand, look up what happens to them.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    Recalling what Biden said about Hamas not being able to shoot straight regarding a questionable claim on what hit a Gaza hospital. Regarding Israeli claims, Russia comparatively has no less a valid point (and an arguably much better one) concerning the Kiev regime using civilian infrastructure as human shields and launching projectiles that end up killing civilians in the process.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/589918-un-ukraine-air-defenses/

  213. @German_reader
    @LatW

    You stupid cow, how can you seriously believe that your braindead atrocity propaganda ("Putin is killing children", as if this was the defining feature of this war, not primarily conventional battles in which huge numbers of soldiers are fed into the meat grinder) still has any credibility at a time when the collective West is not just ignoring (which might be ok), but actively supporting Israel killing at least 15 000 to 20 000 civilians in two months? Apart from the totally propagandized nobody can take that seriously anymore.
    As for "to finally extract the money and send some serious weapons", Ukraine has been given unprecedented support already. But even if they were given everything on their fantasy wishlist (which won't happen), it wouldn't solve Ukraine's manpower issues or magically make Ukraine's armed forces capable of conducting the sort of offensive that could defeat Russia on the battlefield. There is no prospect at all of Ukraine winning this war in the sense of restoring the 1991 borders. It was always a fantasy, and one which has been decisively refuted by the total failure of Ukraine's offensive last summer. The only thing left to do now is adopt realistic war goals, attempt to stave off a Ukrainian collapse (and yes, continued Western support for that is necessary) and open negotiations for a ceasefire, which by necessity will entail extremely painful concessions on the part of Ukraine. Otherwise this is likely to end in something even worse for Ukraine, with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands more men killed and maimed at the front and Russia possibly even grabbing additional territory like the entire Black Sea Coast.
    But I suppose exactly that is going to happen, not least because hysterical dumbfucks like you have created a mental climate where it's become impossible to acknowledge such realities. Then you will clamour for direct NATO intervention (which is unlikely to happen, unless Western "elites" have lost all elementary sense of self-preservation) and spend the rest of your life cultivating some idiotic stab-in-the-back mythology how Ukraine's heroes were betrayed because just not enough weapons were sent and how a big chance was missed to permanently cripple Russia. Absolutely predictable, and absolutely idiotic.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. Hack, @LatW, @LatW, @Mikel, @Yevardian

    Well, to be fair, I was also quite pissed off yesterday when I learned about the Russians attacking multiple cities where they knew big damage to civilians would be caused. The Russians have miserably failed to interrupt the constant transit of advanced Western weapons to the front lines, where their men are being decimated, and these attacks on cities probably have minimal effect on the war, while encouraging Western countries to resume their assistance at a time where the conflict was getting localized and clear peace movements were being made. Perhaps it was just a petty vengeance for the failure of their vaunted S-400s to protect Crimea from Western-made missiles.

    But it’s at least 3 Ukrainian negotiators now (Arestovich, Arakhamia and Chaly) who have confessed that an agreement was very close in the months after the war started and Putin was even willing to negotiate Crimea and Donbas. Allegedly, the only sticking point was Ukraine in NATO. It looks plausible that Putin realized early on that his military was a shambles and, having failed at a quick takeover of Ukraine, was eager to finish the adventure. The worst thing about all of this is not that they didn’t reach an agreement at that point in time but that they abandoned the negotiations altogether and went for a purely military solution.

    In this respect, you are right that the influence of outsiders has been a calamity, before and after the war. They keep stoking the flames while thousands of people have died and continue dying for no better prospects than what could have been achieved in those negotiations. And what’s this thing about “you’re not fully German”, “you’re not an Anglo”, “we’re practically Scandinavians”, “we’re half-Viking”,….? Is this a common attitude in the Baltics or just a personal thing? At any rate, if the Estonians start extraditing Ukrainian men to be forcefully sent to the meat-grinders I’ll definitely make the effort to go the post office and cast an anti-NATO ballot next time I receive them from the Spanish consulate. Along with voting for the most anti-interventionist candidates available here in the US, of course. Decades after the conscientious objection was recognized in all Western countries we don’t need these Eastern revanchists to make us go back to their 40s mentality. If I’m not mistaken, even the Ukrainian constitution recognizes the right to conscientious objection but it’s being flouted by our “democratic allies” in Kiev.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mikel


    Well, to be fair, I was also quite pissed off yesterday when I learned about the Russians attacking multiple cities where they knew big damage to civilians would be caused.
     
    If I'm informed correctly Ukraine has retaliated by attacking Belgorod with NATO-supplied weaponry (?) and killed several civilians there. Reinforces my conviction that Ukraine must never receive those German Taurus missiles they're clamouring for so insistently.
    Anyway, neither the Russian nor the Ukrainian strikes are anywhere near what Israel has been doing in recent months (actively supported by US arms shipments). I can't take moral outrage all that seriously anymore (especially when it comes from people who support Ukraine, but also justify all of Israel's actions, which is a common type in Germany at least, no A123 here).

    It looks plausible that Putin realized early on that his military was a shambles
     
    It isn't a shambles now. It has gotten much stronger because of this war, despite all the losses in material; it has gained combat experience in a type of war no Western army has fought since WW2 (or maybe Korea), and Russian war production has been ramped up while nothing equivalent has happened in the West. The people in the West who cynically want to keep this war going for years to degrade the Russian military are probably fools even in this regard.
    Regarding the negotiations in spring 2022: Maybe we'll never get the full picture, but I agree, everything points to the conclusion that an acceptable negotiated settlement was possible back then. The likely outcome now will be much worse for Ukraine.

    “you’re not fully German”
     
    I have no idea what it's supposed to mean, I suppose some sort of insult? Bizarre. I'd be happy if I had nothing to do with this cretin country I'm forced to live in.
    Anyway, all the best to you for 2024.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @German_reader
    @Mikel


    The Russians have miserably failed to interrupt the constant transit of advanced Western weapons to the front lines, where their men are being decimated, and these attacks on cities probably have minimal effect on the war, while encouraging Western countries to resume their assistance at a time where the conflict was getting localized and clear peace movements were being made. Perhaps it was just a petty vengeance for the failure of their vaunted S-400s to protect Crimea from Western-made missiles.
     
    I disagree somewhat with some of those assessments. I have no idea what the intention behind Russia's missile strikes was, and obviously on a moral level they are worthy of condemnation. But I don't think they necessarily should impede a move towards negotiations (if that's still possible at all, the danger is that Putin now will accept nothing less than Ukraine's total defeat) or are totally irrational. Maybe they were meant to pressure Ukraine to exactly such an end. Think of the Christmas bombings the US did in 1972 near the end of the American involvement in Vietnam.
    I also want to make clear that I don't think it would be a good thing if Western financial and military support for Ukraine would be just ended. I don't think a Ukrainian collapse and a complete Russian victory would be a good outcome in any way (apart from deeply embarrassing the sort of people in the West who have been the must enthusiastic proponents of this mess). It might even increase the chances of a direct NATO-Russia conflict, since there would be calls for NATO intervention and a lot of room for miscalculations and accidental clashes if Russian troops approached Ukraine's western borders. The issue is what the goals of Western support should be. imo they now can only consist of damage limitation and trying to salvage as much of a sovereign Ukraine as is possible.

    Replies: @Sean, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

  214. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    How did the US lose to AK-47s when they lost more soldiers to car accidents in Florida?
     
    By allowing the enemy they had been combating for 20 years to occupy Kabul and in fact, control a larger percentage of Afghanistan than they did 20 years earlier. That's how. And yes, this enemy only had light weapons before they looted the arsenals left by the US in its retreat.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    By allowing the enemy they had been combating for 20 years to occupy Kabul and in fact, control a larger percentage of Afghanistan than they did 20 years earlier. That’s how.

    That isn’t losing in battle. There was no battle.

    The US left because it was too expensive to maintain.

    Name a single US soldier killed in a battle involving small arms in the last year. You won’t be able to because no such battle happened. The Taliban was not running around in sandals with AK-47s while engaging US troops. That is an imagined projection based on other wars. The Taliban would get their asses kicked in such battles even if they somehow made it close enough to a US soldier. They learned that within the first year where there was actually direct combat.

    And yes, this enemy only had light weapons before they looted the arsenals left by the US in its retreat.

    The arsenals were left by the Afghan security forces and not the US. They had been full transferred just as weapons have been transferred to Ukraine.

    Those security forces didn’t even bother disabling their Humvees and machine guns as they were trained. Biden knew that the Taliban would eventually win but still expected a battle. The Afghan security forces didn’t engage in a single action. The US would have disabled the equipment if they had known the outcome. You can disable a 50 caliber machine gun in less than 5 minutes. Which means the Afghan security forces couldn’t bother with a 5 minute procedure. I hope at least that more US politicians realize that third world countries are not filled with repressed Europeans that are just held back by Islam or socialism. Of course I half expect some politician to eventually decree that Haiti or Liberia just needs US soldiers and a good o’l dose of democracy. The appeal of race not existing and liberalism or capitalism being everything is too appealing to the idealistic Anglo.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    That isn’t losing in battle.
     
    You sound exactly like Ritter and McGregor talking about how successful the Russian SMO has been.

    Nobody cares about tactics and the cost of fuel. The Taliban won the war big time. They control Afghanistan with a firmer grip than ever before. The Taliban were the enemy the US spent 20 years fighting. The US is out of Afghanistan and their enemy rules the country. The US and its allies lost that war to a group of lightly armed militias. All throughout history the only way to determine who won or lost a war has been to see who controls the territory afterwards. All the rest are excuses.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...The appeal of race not existing and liberalism or capitalism being everything is too appealing to the idealistic Anglo.
     
    The appeal is there, but why would you call that "idealistic"? It is a lot of things, but not idealism.

    Your desperate denial that US lost the war in Afghanistan is irrational: "battles", "weapon"...blabla, it sounds like you are unable to face reality. US lost the war in Afghanistan - there is no other way to describe it. It is unmanly to deny it.

  215. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Yeah, it is accelerating. But I don't know why that makes you happy, as restraints get removed Russia will have even more of an upper hand. You are pining for an all-out-war on civilians the way Nato and Israel fight, don't you feel sorry for the Ukie civilians?

    Think about the inevitable dynamic: the weaker party can't escalate by breaking rules if the stronger party holds firm. It is a simple willpower question: do you think Kiev will break Russia's will with attacks on their civilians?

    You should stick to WalMart lines Johnson showed above and stay out of the grown-up business. This is a war, not reading of retarded whale stories in Sunday school.

    The shaman in Kiev has failed, there is no rain. Now he is pissing on anything he can on his way out. Failed shamans are not much in demand, look up what happens to them.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    Me happy??….

    This is a war, not reading of retarded whale stories in Sunday school.

    There are a lot of excellent stories within the Bible regarding war and peace. Here’s a classic that’s imagery should even resonate with any boorish atheist:


    You see, even in ancient times it was well know that it wasn’t necessarily the side that had the greater number of combatants that would always with the war. The ancients could differentiate between the numbers and “meat-waives”, and the side that had more nimble and advanced technology on its side. 🙂

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    I am not sure who the lady is holding that hairy thing, but she should put on shoes. Nimble means little in war, it is not a one-on-one fight. Wars are brutal, not nimble.

    So what have we learned? More people will die for the insane plan of Ukraine in Nato. And Zelko&Co. want to go out with a bang - they were told to make as much bloody noise as they can before they move on to settle in the warmer climates. Too bad for the ordinary Ukies who don't have that option.

    And "atheist"? Really? I have had so many ministers in my family we could run a government :)...I am not, but it is a private thing, people who march around with gods on their sleeves are missing the point...Capitalize it at your leisure, divinity is not too concerned with grammar.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack

  216. @Mikhail
    @AnonfromTN

    Thought the Russians were running out of missiles a year ago?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Philip Owen

    Thought the Russians were running out of missiles a year ago?

    That was a schtick of the empire and its sidekicks for a while, but they abandoned it now (likely figured that even a clinical idiot won’t believe it). While they kept repeating this BS, I saw an interesting trolling from a Russian commenter: after one of massive rocket attacks on Ukies in 2022 s/he wrote: “good thing we ran out of rockets months ago, otherwise they’d blame it on Russia”.

  217. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    What, no words of wisdom for JJ, just above? I thought that you'd comeback from your long hiatus fully rested and ready to shill for Putler's Russia, and yet you duck the hard facts and questions? How very disappointing, another kremlin stooge weakling. :-(

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AnonfromTN

    What, no words of wisdom for JJ, just above?

    I respond to real people, sometimes even to stupid ones. I do not respond to paid trolls.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    JJ a paid troll? How about you Лёня, who's paying you off?

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ

  218. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    What, no words of wisdom for JJ, just above?
     
    I respond to real people, sometimes even to stupid ones. I do not respond to paid trolls.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    JJ a paid troll? How about you Лёня, who’s paying you off?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. Hack

    JJ a paid troll? How about you Лёня, who’s paying you off?

    The Putin defenders are having a tough week.

    Not good optics when Ukrainians are being pulled from collapsed apartment buildings over the holidays.

    The egg lines are real despite numerous attempts at protesting reality in the "Russia is a on a roll" thread.

    If Putin had a clue he wouldn't use his missiles on civilian targets when congress is in debate over another weapons package.

    But Putin threw a tantrum over the sinking of a supply ship that was obviously packed with arms.

    Very similar to Hitler throwing tantrums and demanding offensives for the sake of it.

    A little man baby that gets overfilled with emotion when someone sinks his Battleship.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8Bnbq35HeY

    The 12 year old in that commercial undoubtedly has more self-control.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. Hack

    Does Lenya mean lazy one in Russian?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  219. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    Me happy??....


    This is a war, not reading of retarded whale stories in Sunday school.
     
    There are a lot of excellent stories within the Bible regarding war and peace. Here's a classic that's imagery should even resonate with any boorish atheist:

    https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2G8DRK2/david-raises-the-head-of-goliath-as-illustrated-by-josephine-pollard-1899-2G8DRK2.jpg
    You see, even in ancient times it was well know that it wasn't necessarily the side that had the greater number of combatants that would always with the war. The ancients could differentiate between the numbers and "meat-waives", and the side that had more nimble and advanced technology on its side. :-)

    Replies: @Beckow

    I am not sure who the lady is holding that hairy thing, but she should put on shoes. Nimble means little in war, it is not a one-on-one fight. Wars are brutal, not nimble.

    So what have we learned? More people will die for the insane plan of Ukraine in Nato. And Zelko&Co. want to go out with a bang – they were told to make as much bloody noise as they can before they move on to settle in the warmer climates. Too bad for the ordinary Ukies who don’t have that option.

    And “atheist”? Really? I have had so many ministers in my family we could run a government :)…I am not, but it is a private thing, people who march around with gods on their sleeves are missing the point…Capitalize it at your leisure, divinity is not too concerned with grammar.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    And Zelko&Co. want to go out with a bang – they were told to make as much bloody noise as they can before they move on to settle in the warmer climates.
     
    Clown and his accomplices hope to run to their masters, where they have already parked their loot. But I strongly suspect that after they run from the Ukrainian ship they sank, the masters will “suicide” them, like Berezovsky: nobody keeps used condoms. So, ordinary residents of former Ukraine who manage to stay alive might end up getting a better deal.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    Nimble means little in war, it is not a one-on-one fight. Wars are brutal, not nimble.
     
    Sorry to have to publicly correct you Beckow, but nimble means:

    To be nimble means to be quick and light in motion or marked by quick, alert, clever conception, comprehension, or resourcefulness. It can also refer to someone who is quick to understand, think, devise, etc.
     
    Within war strategies, being nimble is seen as being a positive, very effective against the meat-waive tactics like Russia is relying on more and more. Here's a good summation to help you get up to speed with the concept:

    During more than 13 months of war against one of the world’s largest armies, Ukraine’s military has continually stood out for one quality in particular: its ability to adapt. Over and over, Ukraine has nimbly responded to changing battlefield dynamics and exploited emerging technologies to capitalize on Russia’s mistakes. Despite their limited experience with advanced weapons technology, Ukrainian soldiers quickly graduated from point-and-shoot Javelin and Stinger missile systems to the more sophisticated High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS), which they have used to pummel Russian command centers, logistical assets, and ammunition depots.
     
    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/russia-ukraine-war-lumbering-agile

    Replies: @Beckow

  220. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    I am not sure who the lady is holding that hairy thing, but she should put on shoes. Nimble means little in war, it is not a one-on-one fight. Wars are brutal, not nimble.

    So what have we learned? More people will die for the insane plan of Ukraine in Nato. And Zelko&Co. want to go out with a bang - they were told to make as much bloody noise as they can before they move on to settle in the warmer climates. Too bad for the ordinary Ukies who don't have that option.

    And "atheist"? Really? I have had so many ministers in my family we could run a government :)...I am not, but it is a private thing, people who march around with gods on their sleeves are missing the point...Capitalize it at your leisure, divinity is not too concerned with grammar.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack

    And Zelko&Co. want to go out with a bang – they were told to make as much bloody noise as they can before they move on to settle in the warmer climates.

    Clown and his accomplices hope to run to their masters, where they have already parked their loot. But I strongly suspect that after they run from the Ukrainian ship they sank, the masters will “suicide” them, like Berezovsky: nobody keeps used condoms. So, ordinary residents of former Ukraine who manage to stay alive might end up getting a better deal.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...nobody keeps used condoms. So, ordinary residents of former Ukraine who manage to stay alive might end up getting a better deal.
     
    The point is to stay alive and unfortunately the hired condoms in Kiev were told to keep it bloody.

    Imagine BoJo telling Ze in April last year 'forget any deals, just keep on fighting!'...any normal leader would respond with some questions about casualties or the odds of winning at the end, even whether BoJo is going to resign and join the fight in the trenches. But it sounds like Ze just said "Yes, siiir!"...he knows his lines.

  221. @Gerard1234
    @AP


    There are other exemptions, for example one of my cousins runs the Ukrainian operations of a Western firm and he is permitted to leave for meetings at the main office. He comes back, indeed he was abroad when the war started and rushed back to Ukraine.
     
    Wow. I suppose its the same thinking of a paedophile wanting to be a School caretaker - the mindset of this dilapidated, fantasist scumtroll and proven liar "AP" to come up with such a ludicrous fake of a story. Which one is the biggest , most amusing lie of this f*cktard AP anyone? The cousin in Bucha? Speaking Russian or Ukrainian? Visiting Russia or Ukaine? The fixation with pretending to be a medic? Why does the internet produce such wakjob POS's? It's a disgrace, I wish the blog had rules against such scumbag fake behaviour........and I suspect zero people on here, including the Baltic freaks believe his claims to be true.

    BTW any of Russian elites fighting? You claim this war was vitally necessary for Russia, that it would be an existential threat if Ukraine joined NATO.
     
    Peskov's son, Aksenov's son (Crimea head). Several GosDuma MP's mobilised (including World Champion boxer Valuev, Gosduma MP whilst the homo Klitschko junior is nowhere near the battlefield), Kadyrov involved. Rogozin got significantly injured carrying out work there you deranged retard. Practically all the Russian governors have visited the Donbass since 2022. Even the liberal potential 5th columnist Shuvalov's son did serve in the VMF Spetsnaz a few years ago is something I mention in comparison to the lowlifes in charge of 404. Vice-governor of one of, maybe our richest region had one of her sons killed in the SMO you scumbag.

    Now compare that 404 , where absolutely mass numbers of ukrops have been annihilated and not ONE of these elites has a son serving in the military. Not one death or injury.

    But its a fake comparison, because anyone if free to leave and re-enter Russia. Khokholstan prison is not in that situation. One side is being annihilated........the other is not.

    Unlike the running like cowards ukrop elite, Russian political elites have nothing to prove in comparison you useless fu*kwit because during the frequent hostage taking incidents in the 1990'/2000 several Russian politicians showed selfless courage in directly going into the places people were held and negotiating with the terrorists, often even offering themselves in exchange for woman or child hostage. Senators, regional government ministers, Kobson, Petrenko etc. There is Chechen war veterans in their too.

    Russian High ranking military officials serve at or near the frontline with immense bravery and courage. Ukronazi failure officer-class are of course sitting in Germany or Lvov, recycling orders from their US,UK,German masters sending astronomical amounts of central and Eastern Ukrainians to die like lemmings

    also true of Russia, which has squandered many of its elite forces and replaced them with mobiks.
     
    A laughably idiotic . bimbo lie. Only a fraction of these forces have suffered you inept scumbag.

    For Ukraine, the war is not at the phase where full mobilisation of all men to the front is necessary; the Russians are being held back with the military Ukraine currently has. Ukraine still needs workers to run its businesses and farms.

     

    ROFLMAO !!!One of the most bimbo things you have ever written. On so many levels. Its clear your not even understanding of what full mobilisation is when you write this paragraph of nonsense. More instantaneous BS.

    Supposedly Poroshenko’s oldest son fought during the ATO under a fake name.

     

    Which is of course nonsense. You have though managed to upgrade the number of ukrop politicians you know from 1 to 3 during the week, judging from your ineptitude shown in the list I gave on very high number of Russians and non-ukrops in charge of 404.

    Replies: @Jazman

    AP lying by default. Or hallucinating due to being high on drugs.

  222. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    JJ a paid troll? How about you Лёня, who's paying you off?

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ

    JJ a paid troll? How about you Лёня, who’s paying you off?

    The Putin defenders are having a tough week.

    Not good optics when Ukrainians are being pulled from collapsed apartment buildings over the holidays.

    The egg lines are real despite numerous attempts at protesting reality in the “Russia is a on a roll” thread.

    If Putin had a clue he wouldn’t use his missiles on civilian targets when congress is in debate over another weapons package.

    But Putin threw a tantrum over the sinking of a supply ship that was obviously packed with arms.

    Very similar to Hitler throwing tantrums and demanding offensives for the sake of it.

    A little man baby that gets overfilled with emotion when someone sinks his Battleship.

    The 12 year old in that commercial undoubtedly has more self-control.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson


    If Putin had a clue he wouldn’t use his missiles on civilian targets when congress is in debate over another weapons package.
     
    Indeed, I challenge any kremlin stooge here to question your logic. Of course they wont, everyone knows, with just a little bit of thought, that old boy Putler is way off of his rocker on this one!
  223. @QCIC
    @Philip Owen

    The entire system was basically created by the Soviets and was divided up in interesting ways. The overall productive economy seems very distorted for internal and external reasons.

    The recent Russian factory farming expansion was probably created with a return on investment (ROI) mindset as much as a "how do we feed everybody reliably?" outlook. This is not unreasonable, but both are crucial. Modern capitalism, especially in the globalized form has some interesting tensions between ROI, a high quality product and general wisdom regarding essential things like food. Globalization seems to commoditize everything which tends to push in the direction of low quality product, the 'FDA Approved' minimum acceptable. Higher quality products may be able to survive in this world, but it remains to be seen if they will be driven to a luxury-only niche as healthy food has become in the USA. It will be interesting to see how Russia deals with the ties to Western agribusiness which the sanctions-driven agriculture revamp was supposed to cut.

    Titanium ore is a mass produced commodity for the titanium dioxide market. I think the processing is the main value-added step for titanium metal and is energy intensive. How much cost increase has Boeing experienced by moving from Russian semi-finished titanium products to alternative suppliers? While this change may be good for some US manufacturers, it could be bad for the cost of the 787 which uses a lot of titanium along with the more well-known carbon fiber composites.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    Much agreement here.

    The factory farms were certainly a quick fix focussing on ROI for the state directed oligarchs (fascism in action).

    About 30% of production is based on pre existing Russian resources. There was no attempt to build that up. For example, my last project was bandsaws. Russia did not have high tensile steel to make bandsaws for cutting meat. (Same problem with gun barrels for tanks). Poor cut quality and blade changing cycles reduced yield and productivity. Chinese products were similar. Just before the war, I set up one of the distributors servicing the traditional Russian industry (every Oblast/important Raiion its own slaughter house for the poorer farmers) with a UK supplier. German and Swedish options available too. North America does it differently with diamond cutting wheels. This requires a different layout. The state farms went to the oligarchs. The collective farms are difficult due to ownership structure there is no incentive to invest. Ownership still reflects the (partial) emancipation of the serfs.

    In Soviet times, every Oblast aimed for self sufficiency with maybe an export market for Moscow and St Petersburg. I’ve picked through the ruins of a bakery baking bread for Moscow 700km from the city. There was a 16 hour train every day which took in the bread. Now flour is delivered to large (mostly British built) bakeries in Moscow.

  224. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    I am not sure who the lady is holding that hairy thing, but she should put on shoes. Nimble means little in war, it is not a one-on-one fight. Wars are brutal, not nimble.

    So what have we learned? More people will die for the insane plan of Ukraine in Nato. And Zelko&Co. want to go out with a bang - they were told to make as much bloody noise as they can before they move on to settle in the warmer climates. Too bad for the ordinary Ukies who don't have that option.

    And "atheist"? Really? I have had so many ministers in my family we could run a government :)...I am not, but it is a private thing, people who march around with gods on their sleeves are missing the point...Capitalize it at your leisure, divinity is not too concerned with grammar.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack

    Nimble means little in war, it is not a one-on-one fight. Wars are brutal, not nimble.

    Sorry to have to publicly correct you Beckow, but nimble means:

    To be nimble means to be quick and light in motion or marked by quick, alert, clever conception, comprehension, or resourcefulness. It can also refer to someone who is quick to understand, think, devise, etc.

    Within war strategies, being nimble is seen as being a positive, very effective against the meat-waive tactics like Russia is relying on more and more. Here’s a good summation to help you get up to speed with the concept:

    During more than 13 months of war against one of the world’s largest armies, Ukraine’s military has continually stood out for one quality in particular: its ability to adapt. Over and over, Ukraine has nimbly responded to changing battlefield dynamics and exploited emerging technologies to capitalize on Russia’s mistakes. Despite their limited experience with advanced weapons technology, Ukrainian soldiers quickly graduated from point-and-shoot Javelin and Stinger missile systems to the more sophisticated High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS), which they have used to pummel Russian command centers, logistical assets, and ammunition depots.

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/russia-ukraine-war-lumbering-agile

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    I am sorry, but you use empty terms like nimble and agile to hide the reality of defeat. What the comrades in Kiev are trying to say is that maybe they can't win the war, but they are really good at minutia of losing, like hiding in a shed somewhere to take a pot-shot at some Russian. Or hitting a market in Donbas as they are packing to leave.

    You miss the big picture: wars are quite simple, you kill and get killed, the blood-soaked details are not important. Then one side gives up because it becomes hopeless. Who do you think that will be in this war?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  225. @John Johnson
    @Mr. Hack

    JJ a paid troll? How about you Лёня, who’s paying you off?

    The Putin defenders are having a tough week.

    Not good optics when Ukrainians are being pulled from collapsed apartment buildings over the holidays.

    The egg lines are real despite numerous attempts at protesting reality in the "Russia is a on a roll" thread.

    If Putin had a clue he wouldn't use his missiles on civilian targets when congress is in debate over another weapons package.

    But Putin threw a tantrum over the sinking of a supply ship that was obviously packed with arms.

    Very similar to Hitler throwing tantrums and demanding offensives for the sake of it.

    A little man baby that gets overfilled with emotion when someone sinks his Battleship.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8Bnbq35HeY

    The 12 year old in that commercial undoubtedly has more self-control.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    If Putin had a clue he wouldn’t use his missiles on civilian targets when congress is in debate over another weapons package.

    Indeed, I challenge any kremlin stooge here to question your logic. Of course they wont, everyone knows, with just a little bit of thought, that old boy Putler is way off of his rocker on this one!

  226. A word in defense of Putin.

    I am a regular viewer of the NASA Fire map. It is often confounded by agricultural fires or thick clouds but not in the last few nights.

    Three places in Ukraine seems to have been hit. Somewhere between 30-40 missiles detonated. All were in or on the fringe of industrial areas. All are relatively close to the border where fast short range missiles with a light payload might have reached the target faster than Air Defense could act pr drones crept through. Nowhere else is there a fire that could be seen as a missile attack. I conclude that anti missile systems worked on the longer range incoming missile systems as the reaction time was enough. Short range very fast incoming, maybe no cover, maybe detection didn’t work.

    The towns are:
    Zaporizhzhia
    Kryvyi Rih
    Kamianske

    Local air defence may have shot down a missile or two as there are isolated fires in residential areas.

    Fires in Gaza have eased off a little and are now long term fires in the North.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Philip Owen

    A word in defense of Putin.

    Translation: Get ready for intellectual dishonesty as I try to defend a mass murderer.

    Three places in Ukraine seems to have been hit. Somewhere between 30-40 missiles detonated. All were in or on the fringe of industrial areas.

    You would describe an apartment building in downtown Kiev as a fringe area?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvOaoYbHZU8

    All are relatively close to the border where fast short range missiles with a light payload might have reached the target faster than Air Defense could act pr drones crept through.

    What border exactly? He attacked Kiev which is closer to Belarus.

    Maybe read about the attack before commenting on it:

    Kiev: Ukraine suffers largest Russian air attack since start of war
    https://news.yahoo.com/kiev-ukraine-suffers-largest-russian-104343712.html

    A real genius move. The remaining GOP geniuses like Marjorie that are holding back on aid will have a harder time explaining themselves. Marjorie already can barely make a coherent argument as it is and was caught falling for the yacht story:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/how-zelensky-yachts-fable-influenced-us-aid-debate/ar-AA1lOzUL

    The biggest defender of Putin in congress is a nitwit Q follower that fell for an internet rumor. Some real quality people have lined up to defend a mass murdering dwarf. Putin's US defender hasn't figured out how to use Google before running her mouth.

    Replies: @Matra, @Poupon Marx

  227. @Mikhail
    @AnonfromTN

    Thought the Russians were running out of missiles a year ago?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Philip Owen

    They did. They were launching 60 missile barrages a week last winter. They are down to current production so many fewer launches. Bigger ones because they’ve built up their launch capacity.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Philip Owen

    Seems rather remarkable that in order to achieve some effect these days against UA air defence network system RF had to throw almost several hundred flying objects (rockets+Iranian drones) at once, while UA has launched just several modern Western rockets in order to do targeted havoc in Crimea without much problems lately.

  228. @John Johnson
    @A123

    Afghanistan is more about religion than economics.

    The Taliban believe they have a divine right to rule over their country with Islamic law. They don't fear death as they believe they will enter paradise after being killed in battle.

    The local population is also Muslim but without the fanaticism.

    You can see the problem if you look at it from the typical Muslim goat herder.

    1. Risk your life defending freedom/rights that probably won't change much of your daily routine
    2. Let the Taliban rule even if they are assholes and look the other way

    Afghans don't value their personal freedoms as much as Anglos. Muslims in general view this life as temporary and in third world countries they have a much more degraded view of the individual.

    Mr. Hack asked if there could be a USSR style breakup of Afghanistan. The is highly unlikely but we would have been better off creating Serfdoms even if they would have offended the democracy builders. Afghans are similar to Arabs in that they do better with direct orders under a strong male authority. Saddam was a world class asshole and yet he still had Arabs signing up to fight for him after his disastrous Iran war. Both Arabs and Africans most likely have "big man" servitude genes built into them. Something clicks in their brains and they serve the leader just like dogs serving the Alpha.

    The real way to subdue Afghanistan is to take a page from successful colonizers of history. You don't bother trying to convince the natives to take your side. What you do is build a new class/ethnic group that rules over the country. You create a minority whose best interest is to remain in power and serve the colonizer. But our politicians are dopes that think a dash of democracy 'n freedom can turn a third world country into a US state. It also doesn't solve the "vote in the extremists" problem. You give them a vanilla democracy and they vote in people that promptly abolish it. I don't want to sound too cynical as Iraq is doing well. But Afghanistan needed a better plan that dealt with the ongoing threat of the Taliban. Creating a city council and then walking away was not going to work.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    What you do is build a new class/ethnic group that rules over the country. You create a minority whose best interest is to remain in power and serve the colonizer.

    This is essentially Syria right now, no? Assad is an Alawite and Alawites and other Syrian minorities, along with at least some moderate Syrian Sunnis, prefer Assad to the Syrian opposition as the lesser evil.

    Of course, Assad has also been trying to Shi’ify Syria in recent years, with some success (Alawites are an offshoot of Shi’ism but have their own unique beliefs, such as being pro-wine and pro-reincarnation, so it’s easier to try getting Sunni Syrians to convert to Shi’ism rather than to Alawism itself):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_crescent

    Demographic transformations and Shiization
    In 2017 or later, Hussain Ibrahim Qutrib, an Associate Professor of Geomorphology at the King Faisal Center for Research and Islamic Studies, wrote an article about the demographic changes that have occurred in “Useful Syria” as a result of the Syrian Civil War.[16] Specifically, Qutrib defined “Useful Syria” similar to how Syrian President Bashar al-Assad defined this term in early 2016—as in, including the Syrian governorates of Damascus, Rif Dimashq, Homs, Hama, Latakia, and Tartus.[16]

    Qutrib pointed out that these six governorates contained 46% of Syria’s total population at the end of 2011—as in, 9.8 million people out of a total Syrian population of almost 21.4 million people at that point in time.[16] Qutrib points out that, at the end of 2011, the demographics of “Useful Syria” were 69% Sunni, 21% Alawite (which is an offshoot of Shi’a Islam), 1% Shi’a, 1% Druze, 2% Ismaili, and 6% Christian.[16]

    In contrast, by 2016, the population of “Useful Syria” fell from 9.8 million to 7.6 million but its demographics have also significantly changed in the intervening five years; in 2016, “Useful Syria” was just 52% Sunni, 24% Alawite, 13% Shi’a, 1% Druze, 3% Ismaili, and 7% Christian—with the main change being the explosive growth of the Shi’a population in “Useful Syria” between 2011 and 2016.[16]

    The demographic transformations in Rif Dimashq and Homs governorate between 2011 and 2016 were especially notable: Rif Dimashq went from 87% Sunni in 2011 to 54% Sunni in 2016 while the Homs governorate went from 64% Sunni to 21% Sunni between 2011 and 2016.[16] This demographic transformation has been described by Qutrib as Shiization.[16]

  229. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    Nimble means little in war, it is not a one-on-one fight. Wars are brutal, not nimble.
     
    Sorry to have to publicly correct you Beckow, but nimble means:

    To be nimble means to be quick and light in motion or marked by quick, alert, clever conception, comprehension, or resourcefulness. It can also refer to someone who is quick to understand, think, devise, etc.
     
    Within war strategies, being nimble is seen as being a positive, very effective against the meat-waive tactics like Russia is relying on more and more. Here's a good summation to help you get up to speed with the concept:

    During more than 13 months of war against one of the world’s largest armies, Ukraine’s military has continually stood out for one quality in particular: its ability to adapt. Over and over, Ukraine has nimbly responded to changing battlefield dynamics and exploited emerging technologies to capitalize on Russia’s mistakes. Despite their limited experience with advanced weapons technology, Ukrainian soldiers quickly graduated from point-and-shoot Javelin and Stinger missile systems to the more sophisticated High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS), which they have used to pummel Russian command centers, logistical assets, and ammunition depots.
     
    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/russia-ukraine-war-lumbering-agile

    Replies: @Beckow

    I am sorry, but you use empty terms like nimble and agile to hide the reality of defeat. What the comrades in Kiev are trying to say is that maybe they can’t win the war, but they are really good at minutia of losing, like hiding in a shed somewhere to take a pot-shot at some Russian. Or hitting a market in Donbas as they are packing to leave.

    You miss the big picture: wars are quite simple, you kill and get killed, the blood-soaked details are not important. Then one side gives up because it becomes hopeless. Who do you think that will be in this war?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    hiding in a shed somewhere to take a pot-shot at some Russian.
     
    https://gdb.rferl.org/01000000-0aff-0242-1c0b-08dc05d24af3_cx1_cy0_cw80_w1023_r1_s.jpeg
    12/26/23 Feodosia

    Not the first time, nor the last time. Ukrainian military successfully taking 'pot shots at some Russian" warships from their sheds. The Russians are winning, right Beckow? :-)

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

  230. @A123
    @Mr. XYZ


    Any chance that we could eventually see a USSR-style breakup of Afghanistan, such as if the Taliban’s rule there will ever significantly destabilize?
     
    It seems unlikely.

    USSR countries had strong central governments that forced less than compatible groups together. The various Taliban factions have a loose & weak national aggregation. Some observers have stated things like, "Look down on a map of Afghanistan, think of every valley as a separate nation".

    In a sense, post USSR status already prevails. For example -- Any mining deal would be negotiated primarily with the local Taliban factions, not the central government. At most Kabul would get a cut for their token sign off.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ

    I suspect that you’re underestimating the Taliban’s centralizing tendencies. If anyone can succeed in turning Afghanistan into a centralized multiethnic nation-state, it would probably be them.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mr. XYZ


    I suspect that you’re underestimating the Taliban’s centralizing tendencies. If anyone can succeed in turning Afghanistan into a centralized multiethnic nation-state, it would probably be them.
     
    "The Taliban" has always been a bit of a media misnomer. There are many Talibans and similar groups existing as independent entities. When no one else is around, they fight each other.

    What need is there for centralization? If there was a push towards unity, such as major CCP incursion, many Talibans would probably combine or cooperate. Until then, there is no reason for such a collaboration to form.

    PEACE 😇
  231. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    JJ a paid troll? How about you Лёня, who's paying you off?

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. XYZ

    Does Lenya mean lazy one in Russian?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ

    Yes. Why don't you ask Лёня for a fuller explanation. :-)

  232. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    And Zelko&Co. want to go out with a bang – they were told to make as much bloody noise as they can before they move on to settle in the warmer climates.
     
    Clown and his accomplices hope to run to their masters, where they have already parked their loot. But I strongly suspect that after they run from the Ukrainian ship they sank, the masters will “suicide” them, like Berezovsky: nobody keeps used condoms. So, ordinary residents of former Ukraine who manage to stay alive might end up getting a better deal.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …nobody keeps used condoms. So, ordinary residents of former Ukraine who manage to stay alive might end up getting a better deal.

    The point is to stay alive and unfortunately the hired condoms in Kiev were told to keep it bloody.

    Imagine BoJo telling Ze in April last year ‘forget any deals, just keep on fighting!‘…any normal leader would respond with some questions about casualties or the odds of winning at the end, even whether BoJo is going to resign and join the fight in the trenches. But it sounds like Ze just said “Yes, siiir!”…he knows his lines.

  233. Intersting, now mostly forgotten, music video from 1998:

    1. The aesthetics of this video are vastly superior to anything released in at least the last 20 years
    2. The song/video is simultaneously extremely Latin while simultaneously being fully European. It doesn’t have the sleaze factor that a Latin American music video would have
    3. Zoomers like the term “feminine energy”. I’ve never figured out what that actually means, but Latin women definitely have it. Or at least the one’s in this video do.
    4. Enrique Inglesias is one of the strongest examples you will ever see of a beta male trapped in a Chad body. He’s around 6ft, has a good frame, has a face that most women would rate highly, has decent hair and is a genuinely good, almost great, singer, but he just does’t have “it”. He exudes weakness and insecurity.

    Despite his insecure, beta personality, Enrique somehow landed Anna Kournikova, who is featured in the above video. I guess women will overlook a weak and corny personality when it is paired with money, fame and elite looks.

    As for Anna, I’m not really into blondes. But I can still recognize their beauty and Anna in this video looks like a literal goddess. And “goddess” is certainly the right word as Anna has an regal, imperious and arrogant aura that is extremely rare for women in general, but even more still rare for a Russian/Slavic/EE woman. Anna isn’t the kind of woman you fantasize about, she is the kind you just gaze at.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Greasy William

    That girl (never heard of her before) looks a lot like Marion Le Pe to me. She's very attractive but contrary to you I think she has more of a friendly 'girl next door' vibe, or what in the US gets called 'all American'.
    A lot of French and especially Italian women still manage to exude that 'arrogant and regal' aura you mentioned.

    Anyway thanks for bringing it up. Even a frivoulous discussion about pretty girls is far more pleasant than these endless, circulatory and increasingly vicious arguments about Ukraine and Russia's relationship with E. Europe (I only read Gerard's deep and thoughtful posts on the topic), it's practically driven me off from commenting here again.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Greasy William

  234. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. Hack

    Does Lenya mean lazy one in Russian?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Yes. Why don’t you ask Лёня for a fuller explanation. 🙂

  235. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    I am sorry, but you use empty terms like nimble and agile to hide the reality of defeat. What the comrades in Kiev are trying to say is that maybe they can't win the war, but they are really good at minutia of losing, like hiding in a shed somewhere to take a pot-shot at some Russian. Or hitting a market in Donbas as they are packing to leave.

    You miss the big picture: wars are quite simple, you kill and get killed, the blood-soaked details are not important. Then one side gives up because it becomes hopeless. Who do you think that will be in this war?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    hiding in a shed somewhere to take a pot-shot at some Russian.

    12/26/23 Feodosia

    Not the first time, nor the last time. Ukrainian military successfully taking ‘pot shots at some Russian” warships from their sheds. The Russians are winning, right Beckow? 🙂

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Mr. Hack

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/1190774226731417691/image.png
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/1190774227108888586/image.png

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/1190773747490226226/image.png

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/1190773747779649546/image.png

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRCGm54SInY

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    How can a person be so stupid? Or even pretend to be so stupid? It’s like showing a cracked egg and claiming it to be proof that birds cannot possibly use eggs for procreation.

    In 2023 Ukraine burnt more than 100,000 of its soldiers and at least half of NATO “wonder-weapons”, including tanks, artillery pieces, multiple rocket launchers, and armed personnel carriers (in the process producing very bad PR for all of the above; the manufacturers are seething).

    The results of much hyped Ukrainian “counter-offensive” in 2023 (the data from French OSINT site Guerre d’Ukraine): Ukraine captured 523 square kilometers of territory it considers its own, whereas RF troops captured 587 square kilometers. Thus, net result for Ukraine is negative 64 square kilometers.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack

    , @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Yeah, they are, and Ukraine is losing. You nicely show that Kiev only has meaningless pot-shots left, but the war is lost. It will take you a few more months to admit it.

    Your buddy Johnson has already moved from victory to 'hey, the defense stocks are up!'....Ok...that's where you guys plan to retreat? If the situation for the Ukies wasn't so tragic, it would be hilarious - the clown doing fire-works on his way out and his desperate fans yelling 'look here, not there...' And the Raytheon is up! Great.

    You know that you are only fooling yourselfes, do you?

  236. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    hiding in a shed somewhere to take a pot-shot at some Russian.
     
    https://gdb.rferl.org/01000000-0aff-0242-1c0b-08dc05d24af3_cx1_cy0_cw80_w1023_r1_s.jpeg
    12/26/23 Feodosia

    Not the first time, nor the last time. Ukrainian military successfully taking 'pot shots at some Russian" warships from their sheds. The Russians are winning, right Beckow? :-)

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

    [MORE]

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Sher Singh

    1. The armor on that elephant doesn't extend low enough. It's supposed to hang way past the sides like a skirt
    2. The guy on the horse may as well be using a water gun if he's gonna try to pierce elephant hide with that gay little spear.

    Awful painting.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  237. @Mr. XYZ
    @A123

    I suspect that you're underestimating the Taliban's centralizing tendencies. If anyone can succeed in turning Afghanistan into a centralized multiethnic nation-state, it would probably be them.

    Replies: @A123

    I suspect that you’re underestimating the Taliban’s centralizing tendencies. If anyone can succeed in turning Afghanistan into a centralized multiethnic nation-state, it would probably be them.

    “The Taliban” has always been a bit of a media misnomer. There are many Talibans and similar groups existing as independent entities. When no one else is around, they fight each other.

    What need is there for centralization? If there was a push towards unity, such as major CCP incursion, many Talibans would probably combine or cooperate. Until then, there is no reason for such a collaboration to form.

    PEACE 😇

  238. @Sher Singh
    @Mr. Hack

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/1190774226731417691/image.png
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/1190774227108888586/image.png

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/1190773747490226226/image.png

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/1190773747779649546/image.png

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRCGm54SInY

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Greasy William

    1. The armor on that elephant doesn’t extend low enough. It’s supposed to hang way past the sides like a skirt
    2. The guy on the horse may as well be using a water gun if he’s gonna try to pierce elephant hide with that gay little spear.

    Awful painting.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Greasy William


    He was selected by Guru Gobind Singh to single-handedly face a drunken elephant brought forth by the enemy to batter down the gate of Lohgarh Fort.

    As the elephant approached the gate, Bachittar Singh, (as narrated in the Gurbilas Patshahi 10) sallied forth on horseback and made a powerful thrust with his spear piercing the elephant's armour plate and injuring the animal in the forehead. The wounded elephant ran back creating havoc and great damage in the enemy's ranks. As a result of Bhai sahib's bold action, the Sikhs gained the upper hand in this conflict.
     

    Jew fears the Aryan.
    Stick to ripping off old people.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Greasy William

  239. @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    By allowing the enemy they had been combating for 20 years to occupy Kabul and in fact, control a larger percentage of Afghanistan than they did 20 years earlier. That’s how.

    That isn't losing in battle. There was no battle.

    The US left because it was too expensive to maintain.

    Name a single US soldier killed in a battle involving small arms in the last year. You won't be able to because no such battle happened. The Taliban was not running around in sandals with AK-47s while engaging US troops. That is an imagined projection based on other wars. The Taliban would get their asses kicked in such battles even if they somehow made it close enough to a US soldier. They learned that within the first year where there was actually direct combat.

    And yes, this enemy only had light weapons before they looted the arsenals left by the US in its retreat.

    The arsenals were left by the Afghan security forces and not the US. They had been full transferred just as weapons have been transferred to Ukraine.

    Those security forces didn't even bother disabling their Humvees and machine guns as they were trained. Biden knew that the Taliban would eventually win but still expected a battle. The Afghan security forces didn't engage in a single action. The US would have disabled the equipment if they had known the outcome. You can disable a 50 caliber machine gun in less than 5 minutes. Which means the Afghan security forces couldn't bother with a 5 minute procedure. I hope at least that more US politicians realize that third world countries are not filled with repressed Europeans that are just held back by Islam or socialism. Of course I half expect some politician to eventually decree that Haiti or Liberia just needs US soldiers and a good o'l dose of democracy. The appeal of race not existing and liberalism or capitalism being everything is too appealing to the idealistic Anglo.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Beckow

    That isn’t losing in battle.

    You sound exactly like Ritter and McGregor talking about how successful the Russian SMO has been.

    Nobody cares about tactics and the cost of fuel. The Taliban won the war big time. They control Afghanistan with a firmer grip than ever before. The Taliban were the enemy the US spent 20 years fighting. The US is out of Afghanistan and their enemy rules the country. The US and its allies lost that war to a group of lightly armed militias. All throughout history the only way to determine who won or lost a war has been to see who controls the territory afterwards. All the rest are excuses.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikel


    The Taliban were the enemy the US spent 20 years fighting. The US is out of Afghanistan and their enemy rules the country. The US and its allies lost that war
     
    ROTFLMAO

    -- What troop levels would be required to defeat the Taliban? 200,000+? Afghanistan is physicially huge.
    -- What was the maximum even under Obama? A little over 100,000.

    Place those two incontrovertible facts together and it is 100% obvious to absolutely everyone (except you) that the objective was not defeating the Taliban. There never was a viable concept or strategy to the bizarre purported outcome you are trying to fabricate.

    The Taliban did not "win". America did not "lose". If you want to accuse Obama of being incompetent, that would be fair. The entire Surge concept never made a lick of sense. America should have left in 2011-2012 after OBL was terminated.

    Trump successfully de-escalated the conflict despite interference by Mitch McConnell picks, notably Gen. Mattis & Gen. SJW Milley. Not-The-President Biden walked into the rapid & disorderly withdrawal trap that Trump avoided. Add that to the list of Trump 1st term successes. Or, do you prefer the Veggie-In-Chief's fiasco?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mikel

  240. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    hiding in a shed somewhere to take a pot-shot at some Russian.
     
    https://gdb.rferl.org/01000000-0aff-0242-1c0b-08dc05d24af3_cx1_cy0_cw80_w1023_r1_s.jpeg
    12/26/23 Feodosia

    Not the first time, nor the last time. Ukrainian military successfully taking 'pot shots at some Russian" warships from their sheds. The Russians are winning, right Beckow? :-)

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

    How can a person be so stupid? Or even pretend to be so stupid? It’s like showing a cracked egg and claiming it to be proof that birds cannot possibly use eggs for procreation.

    In 2023 Ukraine burnt more than 100,000 of its soldiers and at least half of NATO “wonder-weapons”, including tanks, artillery pieces, multiple rocket launchers, and armed personnel carriers (in the process producing very bad PR for all of the above; the manufacturers are seething).

    The results of much hyped Ukrainian “counter-offensive” in 2023 (the data from French OSINT site Guerre d’Ukraine): Ukraine captured 523 square kilometers of territory it considers its own, whereas RF troops captured 587 square kilometers. Thus, net result for Ukraine is negative 64 square kilometers.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ... Or even pretend to be so stupid?
     
    I don't think he pretends. That's Mr.Hacks saving grace, he is authentic, a genuine article.

    ...in the process producing very bad PR for all of the above; the manufacturers are seething
     
    That is not good. With a few exceptions the Western gear turned out to be mostly non-functional, definitely not miracle weapons worth the enormous cost - Nato countries budgets are 20 times Russia's defense budget.

    They should have stayed fighting wars against barefoot, badly armed enemies in the south. Oops...they lost all those wars too. Bummer. Then maybe stick to arms-fairs where no enemy can hurt the shiny image. Or just expand Nato and demand that people buy the stuff. That has worked quite well on the retards in Central Europe, and now they got the Finns by the balls...Herr Johnson is getting rich, so screw the Ukies, right?

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    The war is tough on both sides. Since you're so handy with the numbers care to share the Russian figures a well? How many soldiers has it lost in 2023? How about Russian "wonder weapons'? JJ has posted clips showing that Russia is still sending combatants out into the field with AK-47's...

  241. @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    Ukie tactics is the same they used against Crimea and Donbass since 2014: do everything to make local people hate Ukies as strongly as possible.

    And you would say that Putin is winning over the locals by bombing them?

    This is what the world saw on their holiday break:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUMxB8kZch0

    Putin the genius thinks it is a good idea to attack civilian areas over the holidays while Congress deliberates over another weapons package.

    Good thinking dwarf.

    Replies: @QCIC

    The Ukrainians have been attacking civilians since the beginning, that is one reason Russia got seriously involved. The Ukies have also been known to use human shields by placing air defenses near civilians. This is predictable in a conflict where the puppet stirs up a war for its masters (USA/NATO) who do not care about the civilians on either side. From the masters’ perspective more dead and more chaos on both sides is better.

    • Agree: Mikhail
  242. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    hiding in a shed somewhere to take a pot-shot at some Russian.
     
    https://gdb.rferl.org/01000000-0aff-0242-1c0b-08dc05d24af3_cx1_cy0_cw80_w1023_r1_s.jpeg
    12/26/23 Feodosia

    Not the first time, nor the last time. Ukrainian military successfully taking 'pot shots at some Russian" warships from their sheds. The Russians are winning, right Beckow? :-)

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

    Yeah, they are, and Ukraine is losing. You nicely show that Kiev only has meaningless pot-shots left, but the war is lost. It will take you a few more months to admit it.

    Your buddy Johnson has already moved from victory to ‘hey, the defense stocks are up!’….Ok…that’s where you guys plan to retreat? If the situation for the Ukies wasn’t so tragic, it would be hilarious – the clown doing fire-works on his way out and his desperate fans yelling ‘look here, not there…‘ And the Raytheon is up! Great.

    You know that you are only fooling yourselfes, do you?

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
  243. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    Ukraine is finally taking off the kid's gloves and retaliating for a huge missile assault on cities across Ukraine, just the day before. 31 civilians killed; no military objects touched. This is the kind of thing that happens when one country crosses the borders of its neighbor and foments war.

    https://youtu.be/ks85iiavpmk

    Russian civilians feel the pain that Ukrainians have been feeling for 2 years now. Russians go home!

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC

    Ukies don’t have any gloves to remove, they have been all-in since the beginning. They know Russia will respond strongly to this attack so I see several possible reasons for such a strike:

    -Bomb Belgorod to somehow fire up western support for Ukraine. The Israelis have been genocidally killing a great many civilians and their support is still rising in some quarters, so it is possible the Ukie leaders (or their Jewish masters) are dumb enough to try the same gambit.

    -Bomb Belgorod to provoke a harsh reaction from Russia which seems very likely. The goal is to generate a NATO backlash against Russia’s reaction and increase NATO involvement. I don’t know if Russia cares about a backlash, if so she may emphasize military targets even if they are not such a high priority. If no, then all bets are off. Maybe a decapitation strike against key Ukrainian leaders?

    -Ukies, especially sellouts and NeoNazis know they are cooked and just want to go out in a blaze of fire.

    I wonder if the Russian weapons factories are working three shifts yet?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...Ukies, especially sellouts and NeoNazis know they are cooked and just want to go out in a blaze of fire.
     
    I would go with that. There is also the element that towards the end you shoot everything that's left at anything even remotely plausible, what's the point of saving it? Nazis did it too in '44-45.

    Neither Russian revulsion nor Nato commitment can grow much. That's actually very bad, because there will be fewer limits - and the ongoing bloody fiasco in Gaza makes it worse. How can anyone with a straight face talk about Western 'humanitarian' values? You would have to be a total moron - and yet there they are, the Bidens and Ursulas going for the ultimate in tribal debauchery. I think they will give them Nobel Peace price for that - the Scandies are also quite stupid, or possibly that scared...

    , @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC


    I wonder if the Russian weapons factories are working three shifts yet?
     
    For their sake, I hope not:

    https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-drone-attack-moscow-russia-war-1843423

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-kh-59-missiles-factory-drone-attack-ukraine-1831219

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukrainian-drone-strike-targets-russian-missile-component-factories-in-four-major-regions/ar-AA1mf6eO

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/28/russian-aircraft-factory-hit-by-ukrainian-drone-strike/

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/09/huge-explosion-firework-factory-sergiev-posad-near-moscow

    https://www.newsweek.com/watch-massive-explosion-russian-ammo-warehouse-hit-donetsk-region-1721561

    https://nypost.com/2023/09/01/drone-strikes-sets-fire-to-russian-factory-making-microchips-for-missiles-ukraine/

    Replies: @QCIC

  244. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    How can a person be so stupid? Or even pretend to be so stupid? It’s like showing a cracked egg and claiming it to be proof that birds cannot possibly use eggs for procreation.

    In 2023 Ukraine burnt more than 100,000 of its soldiers and at least half of NATO “wonder-weapons”, including tanks, artillery pieces, multiple rocket launchers, and armed personnel carriers (in the process producing very bad PR for all of the above; the manufacturers are seething).

    The results of much hyped Ukrainian “counter-offensive” in 2023 (the data from French OSINT site Guerre d’Ukraine): Ukraine captured 523 square kilometers of territory it considers its own, whereas RF troops captured 587 square kilometers. Thus, net result for Ukraine is negative 64 square kilometers.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack

    … Or even pretend to be so stupid?

    I don’t think he pretends. That’s Mr.Hacks saving grace, he is authentic, a genuine article.

    …in the process producing very bad PR for all of the above; the manufacturers are seething

    That is not good. With a few exceptions the Western gear turned out to be mostly non-functional, definitely not miracle weapons worth the enormous cost – Nato countries budgets are 20 times Russia’s defense budget.

    They should have stayed fighting wars against barefoot, badly armed enemies in the south. Oops…they lost all those wars too. Bummer. Then maybe stick to arms-fairs where no enemy can hurt the shiny image. Or just expand Nato and demand that people buy the stuff. That has worked quite well on the retards in Central Europe, and now they got the Finns by the balls…Herr Johnson is getting rich, so screw the Ukies, right?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Beckow

    I think much of the weaponry on both sides was not used as really intended, so the various failures and successes may be a bit misleading. I think the West thought Russia was weak enough that a partial attack with a large Ukrainian/NATO-interoperable ground force with 'home field advantage' could overcome the Russians despite the limited air capability of the Ukrainians. So close to the border this doesn't really make sense, which is one reason I entertain the notion that Ukraine and the West were planning some sort of blitzkrieg on Crimea which would catch the Russians off guard. This prize could only be held if NATO played some "humanitarian assistance" trick and brought in heavy forces to cement the capture of Crimea and then play nuclear brinksmanship with Russia. I think the Kiev feint was designed to break up this blitzkrieg. Will we ever know what happened?

    The other big factor is that Russia did not use its airpower to immediately destroy ALL of Ukraine's long-range air defenses. This fact makes most sense if Russia wanted to minimize collateral damage and civilian deaths and also WANTED to have a protracted ground war to kill off Ukrainian fighters. This seems to be what they have been doing for at least 15 months.

    If the NATO forces had come in with a well thought out attack using full air and ground power and Russia did as well, the tradeoffs in how well the weapons worked on both sides could be different. Russia would be forced to destroy Ukrainian infrastructure and cities immediately. I think it would rapidly lead to World War Three and nuclear weapons use because the losses on both sides would be enormous from the beginning.

    Replies: @Beckow, @LondonBob

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    I don’t think he pretends. That’s Mr.Hacks saving grace, he is authentic, a genuine article.
     
    That’s sad. Then again, back in Soviet times nobody could have predicted that Ukies are dumber than, say, Tajiks. Yet they clearly are.
  245. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Ukies don't have any gloves to remove, they have been all-in since the beginning. They know Russia will respond strongly to this attack so I see several possible reasons for such a strike:

    -Bomb Belgorod to somehow fire up western support for Ukraine. The Israelis have been genocidally killing a great many civilians and their support is still rising in some quarters, so it is possible the Ukie leaders (or their Jewish masters) are dumb enough to try the same gambit.

    -Bomb Belgorod to provoke a harsh reaction from Russia which seems very likely. The goal is to generate a NATO backlash against Russia's reaction and increase NATO involvement. I don't know if Russia cares about a backlash, if so she may emphasize military targets even if they are not such a high priority. If no, then all bets are off. Maybe a decapitation strike against key Ukrainian leaders?

    -Ukies, especially sellouts and NeoNazis know they are cooked and just want to go out in a blaze of fire.

    I wonder if the Russian weapons factories are working three shifts yet?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack

    …Ukies, especially sellouts and NeoNazis know they are cooked and just want to go out in a blaze of fire.

    I would go with that. There is also the element that towards the end you shoot everything that’s left at anything even remotely plausible, what’s the point of saving it? Nazis did it too in ’44-45.

    Neither Russian revulsion nor Nato commitment can grow much. That’s actually very bad, because there will be fewer limits – and the ongoing bloody fiasco in Gaza makes it worse. How can anyone with a straight face talk about Western ‘humanitarian’ values? You would have to be a total moron – and yet there they are, the Bidens and Ursulas going for the ultimate in tribal debauchery. I think they will give them Nobel Peace price for that – the Scandies are also quite stupid, or possibly that scared…

  246. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    How can a person be so stupid? Or even pretend to be so stupid? It’s like showing a cracked egg and claiming it to be proof that birds cannot possibly use eggs for procreation.

    In 2023 Ukraine burnt more than 100,000 of its soldiers and at least half of NATO “wonder-weapons”, including tanks, artillery pieces, multiple rocket launchers, and armed personnel carriers (in the process producing very bad PR for all of the above; the manufacturers are seething).

    The results of much hyped Ukrainian “counter-offensive” in 2023 (the data from French OSINT site Guerre d’Ukraine): Ukraine captured 523 square kilometers of territory it considers its own, whereas RF troops captured 587 square kilometers. Thus, net result for Ukraine is negative 64 square kilometers.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack

    The war is tough on both sides. Since you’re so handy with the numbers care to share the Russian figures a well? How many soldiers has it lost in 2023? How about Russian “wonder weapons’? JJ has posted clips showing that Russia is still sending combatants out into the field with AK-47’s…

  247. @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    By allowing the enemy they had been combating for 20 years to occupy Kabul and in fact, control a larger percentage of Afghanistan than they did 20 years earlier. That’s how.

    That isn't losing in battle. There was no battle.

    The US left because it was too expensive to maintain.

    Name a single US soldier killed in a battle involving small arms in the last year. You won't be able to because no such battle happened. The Taliban was not running around in sandals with AK-47s while engaging US troops. That is an imagined projection based on other wars. The Taliban would get their asses kicked in such battles even if they somehow made it close enough to a US soldier. They learned that within the first year where there was actually direct combat.

    And yes, this enemy only had light weapons before they looted the arsenals left by the US in its retreat.

    The arsenals were left by the Afghan security forces and not the US. They had been full transferred just as weapons have been transferred to Ukraine.

    Those security forces didn't even bother disabling their Humvees and machine guns as they were trained. Biden knew that the Taliban would eventually win but still expected a battle. The Afghan security forces didn't engage in a single action. The US would have disabled the equipment if they had known the outcome. You can disable a 50 caliber machine gun in less than 5 minutes. Which means the Afghan security forces couldn't bother with a 5 minute procedure. I hope at least that more US politicians realize that third world countries are not filled with repressed Europeans that are just held back by Islam or socialism. Of course I half expect some politician to eventually decree that Haiti or Liberia just needs US soldiers and a good o'l dose of democracy. The appeal of race not existing and liberalism or capitalism being everything is too appealing to the idealistic Anglo.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Beckow

    …The appeal of race not existing and liberalism or capitalism being everything is too appealing to the idealistic Anglo.

    The appeal is there, but why would you call that “idealistic”? It is a lot of things, but not idealism.

    Your desperate denial that US lost the war in Afghanistan is irrational: “battles”, “weapon”…blabla, it sounds like you are unable to face reality. US lost the war in Afghanistan – there is no other way to describe it. It is unmanly to deny it.

  248. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ... Or even pretend to be so stupid?
     
    I don't think he pretends. That's Mr.Hacks saving grace, he is authentic, a genuine article.

    ...in the process producing very bad PR for all of the above; the manufacturers are seething
     
    That is not good. With a few exceptions the Western gear turned out to be mostly non-functional, definitely not miracle weapons worth the enormous cost - Nato countries budgets are 20 times Russia's defense budget.

    They should have stayed fighting wars against barefoot, badly armed enemies in the south. Oops...they lost all those wars too. Bummer. Then maybe stick to arms-fairs where no enemy can hurt the shiny image. Or just expand Nato and demand that people buy the stuff. That has worked quite well on the retards in Central Europe, and now they got the Finns by the balls...Herr Johnson is getting rich, so screw the Ukies, right?

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

    I think much of the weaponry on both sides was not used as really intended, so the various failures and successes may be a bit misleading. I think the West thought Russia was weak enough that a partial attack with a large Ukrainian/NATO-interoperable ground force with ‘home field advantage’ could overcome the Russians despite the limited air capability of the Ukrainians. So close to the border this doesn’t really make sense, which is one reason I entertain the notion that Ukraine and the West were planning some sort of blitzkrieg on Crimea which would catch the Russians off guard. This prize could only be held if NATO played some “humanitarian assistance” trick and brought in heavy forces to cement the capture of Crimea and then play nuclear brinksmanship with Russia. I think the Kiev feint was designed to break up this blitzkrieg. Will we ever know what happened?

    The other big factor is that Russia did not use its airpower to immediately destroy ALL of Ukraine’s long-range air defenses. This fact makes most sense if Russia wanted to minimize collateral damage and civilian deaths and also WANTED to have a protracted ground war to kill off Ukrainian fighters. This seems to be what they have been doing for at least 15 months.

    If the NATO forces had come in with a well thought out attack using full air and ground power and Russia did as well, the tradeoffs in how well the weapons worked on both sides could be different. Russia would be forced to destroy Ukrainian infrastructure and cities immediately. I think it would rapidly lead to World War Three and nuclear weapons use because the losses on both sides would be enormous from the beginning.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...If the NATO forces had come in with a well thought out attack using full air and ground power and Russia did as well, the tradeoffs...on both sides could be different. Russia would destroy Ukrainian infrastructure and cities immediately...it would rapidly lead to World War Three and nuclear weapons use because the losses on both sides...
     
    That point is what makes the war so weird - and interesting. Given the years of build-up since 2014 both sides should be better prepared. They should have actually thought all of it through. Instead it looks like we have two huge behemoths on auto pilots who have strategic goals but no other clear ideas. That is a very dangerous situation.

    Like Germany in WW2, US in Vietnam and Iraq, Israel with the Palis, and everybody who invaded Afghanistan (why?) - these are grand strategies divorced from reality: wars against geography and demography, they are effectively not winnable. In retrospect they always look like unnecessary tragedies initiated by very stupid people.

    Nato's goals are simple: control Black Sea and weaken Russia. Everything else is noise - Kiev revolutions, EU promises, demonising Russia, arming Ukraine. After Russia took Crimea those goals never had a snowball's chance in hell to succeed. But they kept it up.

    Russia's original goal was to keep the status quo: messy, neutral Ukraine allied with Russia and dreaming of Europe, Crimea bases, trade with Europe - muddle through as Russia always does when left alone. The last thing they want is an "empire", they can barely manage the night life in Moscow.

    When Russia was pushed by Maidan and Nato expansion they sat on their hands and did the minimum. Now they have moved and they will be hard to stop. But they have no strategy: they can't take Galicia (even Kiev) and deal with the dreamers there - they also can't leave them alone.

    The weapons were not ready because stupidly nobody thought that they would have to be used. In retrospect Nato's best move would had been a rapid take-over of Crimea on the night of Maidan. And Russia's a massive attack on Ukraine around that time to separate the Russian leaning areas. Maybe we are lucky that it didn't happen.

    The second best move for Nato-Kiev was to take the Minsk deal - available in modified form all the way till April 2022. They would be in charge of the 'implementation' and the West is really good at cheating...:)

    For Russia an all-out attack that could destroy large parts of Ukraine is probably now the best choice. They seem reluctant or maybe they are getting fully ready. But the caution is rather appealing in this bloody war: we have the West openly cheering killing "all Russians" (and also Palis and a few others), and there is Russia still staying awkwardly human. Who would have thought.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @QCIC

    , @LondonBob
    @QCIC

    The NATO strategy was to use stand off missiles, like HIMARs, to decimate Russian forces using ISR targeting. This has been the core NATO doctrine in recent times. This was the entire military rationale for destroying the Istanbul talks, problem is Russian simply started spreading out their forces and Russian anti missile technology was far better than NATO assumed. Since then NATO has been scrambling around clutching at straws, the Russians would run in terror at the sight of Bradleys, there is no strategy now.

    Replies: @QCIC

  249. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    That isn’t losing in battle.
     
    You sound exactly like Ritter and McGregor talking about how successful the Russian SMO has been.

    Nobody cares about tactics and the cost of fuel. The Taliban won the war big time. They control Afghanistan with a firmer grip than ever before. The Taliban were the enemy the US spent 20 years fighting. The US is out of Afghanistan and their enemy rules the country. The US and its allies lost that war to a group of lightly armed militias. All throughout history the only way to determine who won or lost a war has been to see who controls the territory afterwards. All the rest are excuses.

    Replies: @A123

    The Taliban were the enemy the US spent 20 years fighting. The US is out of Afghanistan and their enemy rules the country. The US and its allies lost that war

    ROTFLMAO

    — What troop levels would be required to defeat the Taliban? 200,000+? Afghanistan is physicially huge.
    — What was the maximum even under Obama? A little over 100,000.

    Place those two incontrovertible facts together and it is 100% obvious to absolutely everyone (except you) that the objective was not defeating the Taliban. There never was a viable concept or strategy to the bizarre purported outcome you are trying to fabricate.

    The Taliban did not “win”. America did not “lose”. If you want to accuse Obama of being incompetent, that would be fair. The entire Surge concept never made a lick of sense. America should have left in 2011-2012 after OBL was terminated.

    Trump successfully de-escalated the conflict despite interference by Mitch McConnell picks, notably Gen. Mattis & Gen. SJW Milley. Not-The-President Biden walked into the rapid & disorderly withdrawal trap that Trump avoided. Add that to the list of Trump 1st term successes. Or, do you prefer the Veggie-In-Chief’s fiasco?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @A123


    the objective was not defeating the Taliban
     
    So what was the objective of those 20 years fighting the Taliban and building a very expensive and lavishly equipped army of collaborators... to fight the Taliban?

    Perhaps this sliding to neocon excuses explains why you were so dismissive of Gaetz's rebellion against McCarthy. It's not about the MAGA agenda at all, it's just about the man who moved the embassy to Jerusalem.

    If a country invades another one with the objective of changing the regime but then realizes that the objective is too hard to achieve and abandons it due to lack of will, that country has lost the war it started. Period. If I enter a boxing ring with the objective of beating that tiny 5'3" guy but then realize that that he is too fast and slippery and finally abandon the ring, who do you think has won the fight?

    I don't know what the f-ck you guys are trying to argue. We all know that the US has vastly superior weapons, technology and intelligence than the Taliban (thank God) but all we are talking here is what the outcome of the war eventually was.

    Or, do you prefer the Veggie-In-Chief’s fiasco?
     
    Actually, yes. I preferred the Veggie-In-Chief's botched withdrawal from Afghanistan to your idol's botched attempt to fulfill any of his key campaign promises (with the exception of the embassy).

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

  250. Sher Singh says:
    @Greasy William
    @Sher Singh

    1. The armor on that elephant doesn't extend low enough. It's supposed to hang way past the sides like a skirt
    2. The guy on the horse may as well be using a water gun if he's gonna try to pierce elephant hide with that gay little spear.

    Awful painting.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    He was selected by Guru Gobind Singh to single-handedly face a drunken elephant brought forth by the enemy to batter down the gate of Lohgarh Fort.

    As the elephant approached the gate, Bachittar Singh, (as narrated in the Gurbilas Patshahi 10) sallied forth on horseback and made a powerful thrust with his spear piercing the elephant’s armour plate and injuring the animal in the forehead. The wounded elephant ran back creating havoc and great damage in the enemy’s ranks. As a result of Bhai sahib’s bold action, the Sikhs gained the upper hand in this conflict.

    Jew fears the Aryan.
    Stick to ripping off old people.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Sher Singh


    As the elephant approached the gate, Bachittar Singh, (as narrated in the Gurbilas Patshahi 10) sallied forth on horseback and made a powerful thrust with his spear piercing the elephant’s armour plate and injuring the animal in the forehead. The wounded elephant ran back creating havoc and great damage in the enemy’s ranks. As a result of Bhai sahib’s bold action, the Sikhs gained the upper hand in this conflict.
     
    1. That poor elephant
    2. There is no way a spear that small punctured the elephant's hide. If that story really is how it went, I promise you that the spear was much larger, and most likely wasn't a spear at all but rather some type of lance

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  251. @Philip Owen
    @Mikhail

    They did. They were launching 60 missile barrages a week last winter. They are down to current production so many fewer launches. Bigger ones because they've built up their launch capacity.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Seems rather remarkable that in order to achieve some effect these days against UA air defence network system RF had to throw almost several hundred flying objects (rockets+Iranian drones) at once, while UA has launched just several modern Western rockets in order to do targeted havoc in Crimea without much problems lately.

  252. @German_reader
    @LatW

    You stupid cow, how can you seriously believe that your braindead atrocity propaganda ("Putin is killing children", as if this was the defining feature of this war, not primarily conventional battles in which huge numbers of soldiers are fed into the meat grinder) still has any credibility at a time when the collective West is not just ignoring (which might be ok), but actively supporting Israel killing at least 15 000 to 20 000 civilians in two months? Apart from the totally propagandized nobody can take that seriously anymore.
    As for "to finally extract the money and send some serious weapons", Ukraine has been given unprecedented support already. But even if they were given everything on their fantasy wishlist (which won't happen), it wouldn't solve Ukraine's manpower issues or magically make Ukraine's armed forces capable of conducting the sort of offensive that could defeat Russia on the battlefield. There is no prospect at all of Ukraine winning this war in the sense of restoring the 1991 borders. It was always a fantasy, and one which has been decisively refuted by the total failure of Ukraine's offensive last summer. The only thing left to do now is adopt realistic war goals, attempt to stave off a Ukrainian collapse (and yes, continued Western support for that is necessary) and open negotiations for a ceasefire, which by necessity will entail extremely painful concessions on the part of Ukraine. Otherwise this is likely to end in something even worse for Ukraine, with tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands more men killed and maimed at the front and Russia possibly even grabbing additional territory like the entire Black Sea Coast.
    But I suppose exactly that is going to happen, not least because hysterical dumbfucks like you have created a mental climate where it's become impossible to acknowledge such realities. Then you will clamour for direct NATO intervention (which is unlikely to happen, unless Western "elites" have lost all elementary sense of self-preservation) and spend the rest of your life cultivating some idiotic stab-in-the-back mythology how Ukraine's heroes were betrayed because just not enough weapons were sent and how a big chance was missed to permanently cripple Russia. Absolutely predictable, and absolutely idiotic.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mr. Hack, @LatW, @LatW, @Mikel, @Yevardian

    You stupid cow

    Come on now, save that language for our blog’s moderator Gerard, this sounds unbecoming from you.

    • Agree: sudden death, Mr. Hack
  253. Paging Yahya, if he still lurks here occasionally.

    What’s the political and public reaction to Israel’s tentative gestures towards a mass-deportation of the Gaza Palestinians to Sinai? Did you migrate to twit- I mean ‘x’?

  254. Asian and African bush elephants can crossbreed, and I suspect produce fertile offspring.

    Such Kamala elephants might be useful for many applications, including providing wombs for woolly embryos. Or helping to propagate African forest elephant (another species) genes, or helping to bring back the North African elephant.

  255. @Greasy William
    Intersting, now mostly forgotten, music video from 1998:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sye_VxmNZA

    1. The aesthetics of this video are vastly superior to anything released in at least the last 20 years
    2. The song/video is simultaneously extremely Latin while simultaneously being fully European. It doesn't have the sleaze factor that a Latin American music video would have
    3. Zoomers like the term "feminine energy". I've never figured out what that actually means, but Latin women definitely have it. Or at least the one's in this video do.
    4. Enrique Inglesias is one of the strongest examples you will ever see of a beta male trapped in a Chad body. He's around 6ft, has a good frame, has a face that most women would rate highly, has decent hair and is a genuinely good, almost great, singer, but he just does't have "it". He exudes weakness and insecurity.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mQJaXwGPlg

    Despite his insecure, beta personality, Enrique somehow landed Anna Kournikova, who is featured in the above video. I guess women will overlook a weak and corny personality when it is paired with money, fame and elite looks.

    As for Anna, I'm not really into blondes. But I can still recognize their beauty and Anna in this video looks like a literal goddess. And "goddess" is certainly the right word as Anna has an regal, imperious and arrogant aura that is extremely rare for women in general, but even more still rare for a Russian/Slavic/EE woman. Anna isn't the kind of woman you fantasize about, she is the kind you just gaze at.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    That girl (never heard of her before) looks a lot like Marion Le Pe to me. She’s very attractive but contrary to you I think she has more of a friendly ‘girl next door’ vibe, or what in the US gets called ‘all American’.
    A lot of French and especially Italian women still manage to exude that ‘arrogant and regal’ aura you mentioned.

    Anyway thanks for bringing it up. Even a frivoulous discussion about pretty girls is far more pleasant than these endless, circulatory and increasingly vicious arguments about Ukraine and Russia’s relationship with E. Europe (I only read Gerard’s deep and thoughtful posts on the topic), it’s practically driven me off from commenting here again.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yevardian

    At one time she was the top celebrity poontang search on the internet. She became world famous playing professional tennis.

    Although an internet superstar she was only a modest tennis star.

    https://pictures.abebooks.com/inventory/22383825869.jpg

    She is now 42 so she hasn't looked like that for awhile.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @Greasy William
    @Yevardian


    A lot of French and especially Italian women still manage to exude that ‘arrogant and regal’ aura you mentioned
     
    Even Monica Bellucci didn't have the aura of regal arrogance that Anna did. Neither did Vivian Leigh in Gone with the Wind nor Barbara Stanwyck in Double Indemnity. Anna is probably the closest thing the world has ever seen to a real life version of Aphrodite in both looks and demeanor.

    And I think you may be the first person to ever describe Anna's looks as girl next door.

    Replies: @Matra

  256. Exactly the reason why dear leader Pugabe needs to stay in power as long as possible in RF;)

  257. @Yevardian
    @Greasy William

    That girl (never heard of her before) looks a lot like Marion Le Pe to me. She's very attractive but contrary to you I think she has more of a friendly 'girl next door' vibe, or what in the US gets called 'all American'.
    A lot of French and especially Italian women still manage to exude that 'arrogant and regal' aura you mentioned.

    Anyway thanks for bringing it up. Even a frivoulous discussion about pretty girls is far more pleasant than these endless, circulatory and increasingly vicious arguments about Ukraine and Russia's relationship with E. Europe (I only read Gerard's deep and thoughtful posts on the topic), it's practically driven me off from commenting here again.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Greasy William

    At one time she was the top celebrity poontang search on the internet. She became world famous playing professional tennis.

    Although an internet superstar she was only a modest tennis star.

    She is now 42 so she hasn’t looked like that for awhile.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Although an internet superstar she was only a modest tennis star.
     
    She was always treated like she couldn't play but at her peak, she was ranked 8th in the world. If you go back and watch her old matches, Anna was a world beater against mediocre competition. When she was playing against players in that 40 to 80 range, she was dominant. But then she just fell apart when she faced top 20 talent

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  258. @Sher Singh
    @Greasy William


    He was selected by Guru Gobind Singh to single-handedly face a drunken elephant brought forth by the enemy to batter down the gate of Lohgarh Fort.

    As the elephant approached the gate, Bachittar Singh, (as narrated in the Gurbilas Patshahi 10) sallied forth on horseback and made a powerful thrust with his spear piercing the elephant's armour plate and injuring the animal in the forehead. The wounded elephant ran back creating havoc and great damage in the enemy's ranks. As a result of Bhai sahib's bold action, the Sikhs gained the upper hand in this conflict.
     

    Jew fears the Aryan.
    Stick to ripping off old people.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Greasy William

    As the elephant approached the gate, Bachittar Singh, (as narrated in the Gurbilas Patshahi 10) sallied forth on horseback and made a powerful thrust with his spear piercing the elephant’s armour plate and injuring the animal in the forehead. The wounded elephant ran back creating havoc and great damage in the enemy’s ranks. As a result of Bhai sahib’s bold action, the Sikhs gained the upper hand in this conflict.

    1. That poor elephant
    2. There is no way a spear that small punctured the elephant’s hide. If that story really is how it went, I promise you that the spear was much larger, and most likely wasn’t a spear at all but rather some type of lance

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Greasy William

    https://www.discoversikhism.com/images/sikhism/bhai_bachittar_singh3.jpg

    https://www.discoversikhism.com/sikhs/bhai_bachittar_singh.html


    Ye it's s preserved.

    https://twitter.com/jeetsidhu_/status/1741068692702589100

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Greasy William

  259. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Ukies don't have any gloves to remove, they have been all-in since the beginning. They know Russia will respond strongly to this attack so I see several possible reasons for such a strike:

    -Bomb Belgorod to somehow fire up western support for Ukraine. The Israelis have been genocidally killing a great many civilians and their support is still rising in some quarters, so it is possible the Ukie leaders (or their Jewish masters) are dumb enough to try the same gambit.

    -Bomb Belgorod to provoke a harsh reaction from Russia which seems very likely. The goal is to generate a NATO backlash against Russia's reaction and increase NATO involvement. I don't know if Russia cares about a backlash, if so she may emphasize military targets even if they are not such a high priority. If no, then all bets are off. Maybe a decapitation strike against key Ukrainian leaders?

    -Ukies, especially sellouts and NeoNazis know they are cooked and just want to go out in a blaze of fire.

    I wonder if the Russian weapons factories are working three shifts yet?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    It looks like the West is trying to get all the Ukrainians killed.

    After a year of engaging with the pro-Ukies of Unz I have to wonder. This situation is complicated, but it is not that complicated. Did you sleep through the Cold War? Did you learn nothing?

    It is helpful to have this exchange. It makes it easier to understand why Ukrainian troops would fire artillery onto their neighbors for no good reason. You guys would fit right in.

    I am losing my optimism for the post-SMO situation. If this goes on much longer I think Ukraine will be at serious risk of getting the "Grozny treatment". The mindset of the Russian general staff may become "raze it to the ground and start over". Sure, AP and JJ will find a handful of Russians who hate Putin and think Ukraine should do whatever it wants no matter the cost to world security. All the other 150 million Russians will not give a fuck what happens to Ukraine. Any privations caused by the economic situation will be blamed on the West and Ukraine and the Russian people will be even more angry at Ukraine. This leads to the situation where the moderate Putin is eventually replaced by an actual hardliner.

    Great job morons.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  260. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ... Or even pretend to be so stupid?
     
    I don't think he pretends. That's Mr.Hacks saving grace, he is authentic, a genuine article.

    ...in the process producing very bad PR for all of the above; the manufacturers are seething
     
    That is not good. With a few exceptions the Western gear turned out to be mostly non-functional, definitely not miracle weapons worth the enormous cost - Nato countries budgets are 20 times Russia's defense budget.

    They should have stayed fighting wars against barefoot, badly armed enemies in the south. Oops...they lost all those wars too. Bummer. Then maybe stick to arms-fairs where no enemy can hurt the shiny image. Or just expand Nato and demand that people buy the stuff. That has worked quite well on the retards in Central Europe, and now they got the Finns by the balls...Herr Johnson is getting rich, so screw the Ukies, right?

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

    I don’t think he pretends. That’s Mr.Hacks saving grace, he is authentic, a genuine article.

    That’s sad. Then again, back in Soviet times nobody could have predicted that Ukies are dumber than, say, Tajiks. Yet they clearly are.

    • Agree: QCIC
  261. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yevardian

    At one time she was the top celebrity poontang search on the internet. She became world famous playing professional tennis.

    Although an internet superstar she was only a modest tennis star.

    https://pictures.abebooks.com/inventory/22383825869.jpg

    She is now 42 so she hasn't looked like that for awhile.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Although an internet superstar she was only a modest tennis star.

    She was always treated like she couldn’t play but at her peak, she was ranked 8th in the world. If you go back and watch her old matches, Anna was a world beater against mediocre competition. When she was playing against players in that 40 to 80 range, she was dominant. But then she just fell apart when she faced top 20 talent

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Greasy William

    She played quite well against anybody along with Martina Hingis in the doubles field. They often won championships together and were a pretty sight to behold.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  262. @Yevardian
    @Greasy William

    That girl (never heard of her before) looks a lot like Marion Le Pe to me. She's very attractive but contrary to you I think she has more of a friendly 'girl next door' vibe, or what in the US gets called 'all American'.
    A lot of French and especially Italian women still manage to exude that 'arrogant and regal' aura you mentioned.

    Anyway thanks for bringing it up. Even a frivoulous discussion about pretty girls is far more pleasant than these endless, circulatory and increasingly vicious arguments about Ukraine and Russia's relationship with E. Europe (I only read Gerard's deep and thoughtful posts on the topic), it's practically driven me off from commenting here again.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Greasy William

    A lot of French and especially Italian women still manage to exude that ‘arrogant and regal’ aura you mentioned

    Even Monica Bellucci didn’t have the aura of regal arrogance that Anna did. Neither did Vivian Leigh in Gone with the Wind nor Barbara Stanwyck in Double Indemnity. Anna is probably the closest thing the world has ever seen to a real life version of Aphrodite in both looks and demeanor.

    And I think you may be the first person to ever describe Anna’s looks as girl next door.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Greasy William

    Even Monica Bellucci didn’t have the aura of regal arrogance that Anna did

    In a place full of ridiculous takes this one might be the most ridiculous I've seen here in a while.

    Anna is probably the closest thing the world has ever seen to a real life version of Aphrodite in both looks and demeanor.

    Sharapova (a cheat), Ana Ivanovic (who won Roland Garros), and at least 20 other players in the last 20 years were better looking.

    Your previous post pointing out that Kournikova was a good player is accurate though. Maybe she'd have been more successful if she'd concentrated more on tennis and less on celeb stuff (think Eugenie Bouchard) but that's not a given as she had a skill ceiling or whatever the term is.

  263. German_reader says:
    @Mikel
    @German_reader

    Well, to be fair, I was also quite pissed off yesterday when I learned about the Russians attacking multiple cities where they knew big damage to civilians would be caused. The Russians have miserably failed to interrupt the constant transit of advanced Western weapons to the front lines, where their men are being decimated, and these attacks on cities probably have minimal effect on the war, while encouraging Western countries to resume their assistance at a time where the conflict was getting localized and clear peace movements were being made. Perhaps it was just a petty vengeance for the failure of their vaunted S-400s to protect Crimea from Western-made missiles.

    But it's at least 3 Ukrainian negotiators now (Arestovich, Arakhamia and Chaly) who have confessed that an agreement was very close in the months after the war started and Putin was even willing to negotiate Crimea and Donbas. Allegedly, the only sticking point was Ukraine in NATO. It looks plausible that Putin realized early on that his military was a shambles and, having failed at a quick takeover of Ukraine, was eager to finish the adventure. The worst thing about all of this is not that they didn't reach an agreement at that point in time but that they abandoned the negotiations altogether and went for a purely military solution.

    In this respect, you are right that the influence of outsiders has been a calamity, before and after the war. They keep stoking the flames while thousands of people have died and continue dying for no better prospects than what could have been achieved in those negotiations. And what's this thing about "you're not fully German", "you're not an Anglo", "we're practically Scandinavians", "we're half-Viking",....? Is this a common attitude in the Baltics or just a personal thing? At any rate, if the Estonians start extraditing Ukrainian men to be forcefully sent to the meat-grinders I'll definitely make the effort to go the post office and cast an anti-NATO ballot next time I receive them from the Spanish consulate. Along with voting for the most anti-interventionist candidates available here in the US, of course. Decades after the conscientious objection was recognized in all Western countries we don't need these Eastern revanchists to make us go back to their 40s mentality. If I'm not mistaken, even the Ukrainian constitution recognizes the right to conscientious objection but it's being flouted by our "democratic allies" in Kiev.

    Replies: @German_reader, @German_reader

    Well, to be fair, I was also quite pissed off yesterday when I learned about the Russians attacking multiple cities where they knew big damage to civilians would be caused.

    If I’m informed correctly Ukraine has retaliated by attacking Belgorod with NATO-supplied weaponry (?) and killed several civilians there. Reinforces my conviction that Ukraine must never receive those German Taurus missiles they’re clamouring for so insistently.
    Anyway, neither the Russian nor the Ukrainian strikes are anywhere near what Israel has been doing in recent months (actively supported by US arms shipments). I can’t take moral outrage all that seriously anymore (especially when it comes from people who support Ukraine, but also justify all of Israel’s actions, which is a common type in Germany at least, no A123 here).

    It looks plausible that Putin realized early on that his military was a shambles

    It isn’t a shambles now. It has gotten much stronger because of this war, despite all the losses in material; it has gained combat experience in a type of war no Western army has fought since WW2 (or maybe Korea), and Russian war production has been ramped up while nothing equivalent has happened in the West. The people in the West who cynically want to keep this war going for years to degrade the Russian military are probably fools even in this regard.
    Regarding the negotiations in spring 2022: Maybe we’ll never get the full picture, but I agree, everything points to the conclusion that an acceptable negotiated settlement was possible back then. The likely outcome now will be much worse for Ukraine.

    “you’re not fully German”

    I have no idea what it’s supposed to mean, I suppose some sort of insult? Bizarre. I’d be happy if I had nothing to do with this cretin country I’m forced to live in.
    Anyway, all the best to you for 2024.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    If I’m informed correctly Ukraine has retaliated by attacking Belgorod with NATO-supplied weaponry (?) and killed several civilians there. Reinforces my conviction that Ukraine must never receive those German Taurus missiles they’re clamouring for so insistently.
     
    Wow, such moral indignation leveled at Ukraine over "several [Russian] civilian" deaths? Ukraine has experienced several thousand such deaths, deaths that were intentionally created, not the result of collateral damage as in the case of Belgograd. Yet, barely a whimper out of you in these instances for two years now. Why not at least a yelp out of you regarding the cessation of weaponry from Russia's suppliers? Why the double standard GR?

    Replies: @German_reader

  264. @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC


    I wonder if the Russian weapons factories are working three shifts yet?
     
    For their sake, I hope not:

    https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-drone-attack-moscow-russia-war-1843423

    https://www.newsweek.com/russia-kh-59-missiles-factory-drone-attack-ukraine-1831219

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukrainian-drone-strike-targets-russian-missile-component-factories-in-four-major-regions/ar-AA1mf6eO

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/28/russian-aircraft-factory-hit-by-ukrainian-drone-strike/

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/09/huge-explosion-firework-factory-sergiev-posad-near-moscow

    https://www.newsweek.com/watch-massive-explosion-russian-ammo-warehouse-hit-donetsk-region-1721561

    https://nypost.com/2023/09/01/drone-strikes-sets-fire-to-russian-factory-making-microchips-for-missiles-ukraine/

    Replies: @QCIC

    It looks like the West is trying to get all the Ukrainians killed.

    After a year of engaging with the pro-Ukies of Unz I have to wonder. This situation is complicated, but it is not that complicated. Did you sleep through the Cold War? Did you learn nothing?

    It is helpful to have this exchange. It makes it easier to understand why Ukrainian troops would fire artillery onto their neighbors for no good reason. You guys would fit right in.

    I am losing my optimism for the post-SMO situation. If this goes on much longer I think Ukraine will be at serious risk of getting the “Grozny treatment”. The mindset of the Russian general staff may become “raze it to the ground and start over”. Sure, AP and JJ will find a handful of Russians who hate Putin and think Ukraine should do whatever it wants no matter the cost to world security. All the other 150 million Russians will not give a fuck what happens to Ukraine. Any privations caused by the economic situation will be blamed on the West and Ukraine and the Russian people will be even more angry at Ukraine. This leads to the situation where the moderate Putin is eventually replaced by an actual hardliner.

    Great job morons.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC


    It looks like the West is trying to get all the Ukrainians killed.
     
    Why? By destroying Russian factories that produce munitions and weaponry? Don't try and change the subject.

    Replies: @QCIC

  265. @Greasy William
    @Sher Singh


    As the elephant approached the gate, Bachittar Singh, (as narrated in the Gurbilas Patshahi 10) sallied forth on horseback and made a powerful thrust with his spear piercing the elephant’s armour plate and injuring the animal in the forehead. The wounded elephant ran back creating havoc and great damage in the enemy’s ranks. As a result of Bhai sahib’s bold action, the Sikhs gained the upper hand in this conflict.
     
    1. That poor elephant
    2. There is no way a spear that small punctured the elephant's hide. If that story really is how it went, I promise you that the spear was much larger, and most likely wasn't a spear at all but rather some type of lance

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    https://www.discoversikhism.com/sikhs/bhai_bachittar_singh.html

    Ye it’s s preserved.

    [MORE]

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Sher Singh

    The guy in the pic is holding holding a metal thrusting spear. The guy in the painting is holding a wooden throwing spear, which would have just harmlessly bounced off the elephant. I stand by that the painting sucks as a representation of what happened. And the elephants armor doesn't hang down far enough

    Also I doubt the elephant's armor was pierced, per se, most likely the spearman hit a gap between the plates

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  266. @Sher Singh
    @Greasy William

    https://www.discoversikhism.com/images/sikhism/bhai_bachittar_singh3.jpg

    https://www.discoversikhism.com/sikhs/bhai_bachittar_singh.html


    Ye it's s preserved.

    https://twitter.com/jeetsidhu_/status/1741068692702589100

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Greasy William

    The guy in the pic is holding holding a metal thrusting spear. The guy in the painting is holding a wooden throwing spear, which would have just harmlessly bounced off the elephant. I stand by that the painting sucks as a representation of what happened. And the elephants armor doesn’t hang down far enough

    Also I doubt the elephant’s armor was pierced, per se, most likely the spearman hit a gap between the plates

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Greasy William

    Bro, who cares?

    https://artofpunjab.com/cdn/shop/products/bhai-Bhai-Bachittar-painting.jpg?v=1642813375&width=493

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  267. @Greasy William
    @Sher Singh

    The guy in the pic is holding holding a metal thrusting spear. The guy in the painting is holding a wooden throwing spear, which would have just harmlessly bounced off the elephant. I stand by that the painting sucks as a representation of what happened. And the elephants armor doesn't hang down far enough

    Also I doubt the elephant's armor was pierced, per se, most likely the spearman hit a gap between the plates

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Bro, who cares?

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Sher Singh

    Precisely, who cares?

    Replies: @songbird, @Sher Singh

  268. German_reader says:
    @Mikel
    @German_reader

    Well, to be fair, I was also quite pissed off yesterday when I learned about the Russians attacking multiple cities where they knew big damage to civilians would be caused. The Russians have miserably failed to interrupt the constant transit of advanced Western weapons to the front lines, where their men are being decimated, and these attacks on cities probably have minimal effect on the war, while encouraging Western countries to resume their assistance at a time where the conflict was getting localized and clear peace movements were being made. Perhaps it was just a petty vengeance for the failure of their vaunted S-400s to protect Crimea from Western-made missiles.

    But it's at least 3 Ukrainian negotiators now (Arestovich, Arakhamia and Chaly) who have confessed that an agreement was very close in the months after the war started and Putin was even willing to negotiate Crimea and Donbas. Allegedly, the only sticking point was Ukraine in NATO. It looks plausible that Putin realized early on that his military was a shambles and, having failed at a quick takeover of Ukraine, was eager to finish the adventure. The worst thing about all of this is not that they didn't reach an agreement at that point in time but that they abandoned the negotiations altogether and went for a purely military solution.

    In this respect, you are right that the influence of outsiders has been a calamity, before and after the war. They keep stoking the flames while thousands of people have died and continue dying for no better prospects than what could have been achieved in those negotiations. And what's this thing about "you're not fully German", "you're not an Anglo", "we're practically Scandinavians", "we're half-Viking",....? Is this a common attitude in the Baltics or just a personal thing? At any rate, if the Estonians start extraditing Ukrainian men to be forcefully sent to the meat-grinders I'll definitely make the effort to go the post office and cast an anti-NATO ballot next time I receive them from the Spanish consulate. Along with voting for the most anti-interventionist candidates available here in the US, of course. Decades after the conscientious objection was recognized in all Western countries we don't need these Eastern revanchists to make us go back to their 40s mentality. If I'm not mistaken, even the Ukrainian constitution recognizes the right to conscientious objection but it's being flouted by our "democratic allies" in Kiev.

    Replies: @German_reader, @German_reader

    The Russians have miserably failed to interrupt the constant transit of advanced Western weapons to the front lines, where their men are being decimated, and these attacks on cities probably have minimal effect on the war, while encouraging Western countries to resume their assistance at a time where the conflict was getting localized and clear peace movements were being made. Perhaps it was just a petty vengeance for the failure of their vaunted S-400s to protect Crimea from Western-made missiles.

    I disagree somewhat with some of those assessments. I have no idea what the intention behind Russia’s missile strikes was, and obviously on a moral level they are worthy of condemnation. But I don’t think they necessarily should impede a move towards negotiations (if that’s still possible at all, the danger is that Putin now will accept nothing less than Ukraine’s total defeat) or are totally irrational. Maybe they were meant to pressure Ukraine to exactly such an end. Think of the Christmas bombings the US did in 1972 near the end of the American involvement in Vietnam.
    I also want to make clear that I don’t think it would be a good thing if Western financial and military support for Ukraine would be just ended. I don’t think a Ukrainian collapse and a complete Russian victory would be a good outcome in any way (apart from deeply embarrassing the sort of people in the West who have been the must enthusiastic proponents of this mess). It might even increase the chances of a direct NATO-Russia conflict, since there would be calls for NATO intervention and a lot of room for miscalculations and accidental clashes if Russian troops approached Ukraine’s western borders. The issue is what the goals of Western support should be. imo they now can only consist of damage limitation and trying to salvage as much of a sovereign Ukraine as is possible.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @German_reader

    Nocomparison of Western/ Nato countries' will defend a Nato member country and Western will to indirectly aid Ukraine or (Moldova) against a Russian invasion. The cases are fundamentally different as the Russians surely understand. and will be careful to respect.


    [T]he danger is that Putin now will accept nothing less than Ukraine’s total defeat) or are totally irrational.
     
    In the real world it is not a case of all or nothing. Ukraine will survive, and Russia will not be driven out of their gains. There will eventually be a tacit peace once Ukraine's manpower becomes exhausted, and although a ceasefire is possible there will never be any final official agreement in which Russia agrees to recognize even a truncated Ukraine's borders. It is going to be like the Korean war, with the cause of it never resolved. I never understand how people can think that Russia would consider recognising any borders of Ukraine, even if they were highly favourable to Russia. If Ukraine ceased to be at war or in a dispute over the borders of its territory, then Ukraine would become eligible to join Nato. Russia cannot afford peace, so they will keep the war going.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader


    I don’t think a Ukrainian collapse and a complete Russian victory would be a good outcome in any way (apart from deeply embarrassing the sort of people in the West who have been the must enthusiastic proponents of this mess).
     
    Don't worry about them. Those people are beyond embarrassment. Their only concern is getting poisoned or assassinated or blackmailed as a result of inadequate security procedures. If their child is kidnapped raped tortured and killed that might cause them inconvenience but it would not embarrass any of them in a million years.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @Mikel
    @German_reader


    I don’t think they necessarily should impede a move towards negotiations
     
    If we enter a tit for tat phase of the war with constant attacks against cities I'm afraid it would. Everything here in the US (and also in Europe, as far as I can see) is managed at a purely emotional level and there are very powerful forces that still push for unconditional support for Ukraine, including the MSM, who can be counted on portraying such an escalation as pure Russian sadism.

    But I won't pretend to know what happened in the Republican Party for the anti-Ukrainian voices to gain the upper hand, at least temporarily, and stop all aid to Ukraine. All I can say is what I said here at the beginning of this conflict (or perhaps it was earlier): that I wouldn't like my old country to depend on US support. Nobody here would get the many nuances right and they may end up retiring that support at a crucial moment due to internal politics. It is just best for everybody, particularly the US itself, to limit interventions in foreign conflicts to the minimum necessary and learn to mediate rather than always following the reflexive impulse of choosing one side.

    On the other hand, that the Ukrainians would use Western weapons to attack civilian areas was of course always a given, considering what had happened in Donbas. There is quite a lot of evidence that they have used NATO shells to kill civilians in Donetsk, Gorlivka and their favorite target cities. Those conditions the West imposed on the usage of their weapons were largely a fig leaf. What was Germany or the US going to do if the Ukrainians interpreted those conditions loosely? Stop the deliveries altogether and let Russia win the war?

    Anyway, best wishes for 2024 for you too. And take it easy with your countrymen. People all over the West, and beyond, have been brainwashed to adopt insane beliefs and we're all going through pretty crazy times but I'm sure that if you were forced to live in most any other place on Earth, you'd start missing your compatriots soon lol
  269. @Sher Singh
    @Greasy William

    Bro, who cares?

    https://artofpunjab.com/cdn/shop/products/bhai-Bhai-Bachittar-painting.jpg?v=1642813375&width=493

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Precisely, who cares?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Sikh prohibitions mean:
    1.) They treat drunken war elephants harshly
    2.) Sobering said animals up with coffee is not an option.
    3.) Many of their women do not shave, and so do not risk being stolen. OTOH, it seems to remove the power of politically aggressive Lesbians to signal, as I saw once, when I was by Smith College.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh

    , @Sher Singh
    @Mr. Hack

    War not going well? LOL.

  270. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    Well, to be fair, I was also quite pissed off yesterday when I learned about the Russians attacking multiple cities where they knew big damage to civilians would be caused.
     
    If I'm informed correctly Ukraine has retaliated by attacking Belgorod with NATO-supplied weaponry (?) and killed several civilians there. Reinforces my conviction that Ukraine must never receive those German Taurus missiles they're clamouring for so insistently.
    Anyway, neither the Russian nor the Ukrainian strikes are anywhere near what Israel has been doing in recent months (actively supported by US arms shipments). I can't take moral outrage all that seriously anymore (especially when it comes from people who support Ukraine, but also justify all of Israel's actions, which is a common type in Germany at least, no A123 here).

    It looks plausible that Putin realized early on that his military was a shambles
     
    It isn't a shambles now. It has gotten much stronger because of this war, despite all the losses in material; it has gained combat experience in a type of war no Western army has fought since WW2 (or maybe Korea), and Russian war production has been ramped up while nothing equivalent has happened in the West. The people in the West who cynically want to keep this war going for years to degrade the Russian military are probably fools even in this regard.
    Regarding the negotiations in spring 2022: Maybe we'll never get the full picture, but I agree, everything points to the conclusion that an acceptable negotiated settlement was possible back then. The likely outcome now will be much worse for Ukraine.

    “you’re not fully German”
     
    I have no idea what it's supposed to mean, I suppose some sort of insult? Bizarre. I'd be happy if I had nothing to do with this cretin country I'm forced to live in.
    Anyway, all the best to you for 2024.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    If I’m informed correctly Ukraine has retaliated by attacking Belgorod with NATO-supplied weaponry (?) and killed several civilians there. Reinforces my conviction that Ukraine must never receive those German Taurus missiles they’re clamouring for so insistently.

    Wow, such moral indignation leveled at Ukraine over “several [Russian] civilian” deaths? Ukraine has experienced several thousand such deaths, deaths that were intentionally created, not the result of collateral damage as in the case of Belgograd. Yet, barely a whimper out of you in these instances for two years now. Why not at least a yelp out of you regarding the cessation of weaponry from Russia’s suppliers? Why the double standard GR?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    God, work on your reading comprehension, you dimwit. Ukraine can kill as many Russian civilians as it wants, one can certainly make a cogent argument that the Russian public deserves it for its support of the war. But it's militarily pointless, it's all for show and won't do anything to avert the looming disaster for Ukraine. I don't see why German taxpayers should finance such nonsense and attract Russian hatred for it, while not getting any influence on Ukrainian decisions in return. It's enough to send anti-air systems and artillery pieces to Ukraine, at least Ukraine's frequently deranged and less than trustworthy leadership can't use them for anything too crazy. Missiles with a range of hundreds of kilometers, hell no.
    As for suppliers of Russia's weaponry, much of that is produced in Russia itself, unlike with Ukraine which is dependent on Western support. Yes, Iran is selling drones and North Korea shells, but I doubt they'll care about my condemnation, nor about anything else the West can still do to them, since they're already under heavy sanctions anyway.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  271. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    It looks like the West is trying to get all the Ukrainians killed.

    After a year of engaging with the pro-Ukies of Unz I have to wonder. This situation is complicated, but it is not that complicated. Did you sleep through the Cold War? Did you learn nothing?

    It is helpful to have this exchange. It makes it easier to understand why Ukrainian troops would fire artillery onto their neighbors for no good reason. You guys would fit right in.

    I am losing my optimism for the post-SMO situation. If this goes on much longer I think Ukraine will be at serious risk of getting the "Grozny treatment". The mindset of the Russian general staff may become "raze it to the ground and start over". Sure, AP and JJ will find a handful of Russians who hate Putin and think Ukraine should do whatever it wants no matter the cost to world security. All the other 150 million Russians will not give a fuck what happens to Ukraine. Any privations caused by the economic situation will be blamed on the West and Ukraine and the Russian people will be even more angry at Ukraine. This leads to the situation where the moderate Putin is eventually replaced by an actual hardliner.

    Great job morons.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    It looks like the West is trying to get all the Ukrainians killed.

    Why? By destroying Russian factories that produce munitions and weaponry? Don’t try and change the subject.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Exactly. The attacks you gleefully mention may be inducing Russia to take a more typical approach to the war by starting heavy bombing campaigns in Ukraine. These brutal missions have been a mainstay of Western wars since WW2 and Russia has avoided them so far, but hey, TNT is cheap. If Russia needs to stop Western-sponsored Ukrainian attacks on Russian territory quickly this would be one approach. They could simply follow some (((Old Testament model))) such as you kill 1 of us we kill 10,000 of you.

    I think of this NATO-Russia-Ukraine conflict as part of the Cold War, which was a nuclear standoff between two large empires. You should consider this big picture. During the Cold War in the West we heard of "DEFCON" or Defense Readiness Condition for USA nuclear forces. Condition 5 is normal, no problemo. Condition 1 is nuclear war underway.

    Here is the list, based on wikipedia.

    DEFCON 1 Nuclear war is imminent or has already begun
    DEFCON 2 Next step to nuclear war
    DEFCON 3 Increased force readiness above normal
    DEFCON 4 Increase intelligence readiness and strengthened security
    DEFCON 5 Lowest state of readiness

    Nuclear war has a system of its own which can be kicked into motion by conventional war. I don't know how the Russians or NATO view this, but the basic idea of a progression from normal to killing millions of people is understood. The details are not as important as the basic idea, especially since they will never publicly disclose the real details.

    I estimate the Russian equivalent posture was a wary 5 before Maidan, wary because of previous USA and Western moves against Russia. After Maidan they go to 4 since there is combat near the border with open NATO involvement and less than one air-hour from Moscow. Always remember that NATO is strictly an ANTI-RUSSIA MILITARY ALLIANCE. With the SMO they go to DEFCON 3. Remember this is increased NUCLEAR force readiness. The question is where do the Russians stand now? My guess is Western-sponsored drone attacks on Engels airbase and the Kremlin would put them to DEFCON 2 equivalent.

    So my question for you is do you really want to pressure Russia into using nuclear weapons against Ukraine? The Western military leadership has already tried to break out of MAD to give themselves leeway to play nuclear brinkmanship with Russia. Perversely, this may imply that a Russian strike, especially on Ukraine, might not lead to a USA/NATO nuclear response. Don't forget that all of the western instigators of this mess care very little if any about actual Ukrainians. They do not love Ukraine, they hate Russia. Very likely most of them actually consider Ukrainians interchangeable with Russians. Since 1990 the West has broken some very serious nuclear understandings and instead of trying to fix things is making them worse on a daily basis.

    My discussion of the DEFCON scenario is speculative. Since the West broke out of the ABM treaty I assume the framework would change to support this more aggressive Western nuclear posture. I have no idea what similar 'Defconsky' system Russia uses, but the basic concept of stages of alertness and preparation is likely to exist. A key point about the heightened state is the chance for miscalculation or accidental escalation becomes higher and the consequences are civilizational.

    Russia and the USA each have about 1500 nuclear weapons.

    There are many challenges and questions for Russian planners. They need to figure out when does the conventional warfare lead to nuclear war. Just so you know, "figure out" is code for guess since no one knows. Can a limited nuclear strike preemptively prevent a full-scale nuclear war? Is it better to simply start crushing Ukraine with conventional bombing instead of babying it to prevent escalation to a very risky attempt at a limited nuclear strike?

    You will say the Russians should go home. The value of that suggestion is not supported by the facts. NATO has been expanded, the USA dropped out of key treaties, the USA very aggressively based missiles in Eastern Europe and the West has fomented coups directly on the Russian border. These steps are blatant precursors to the Western-sponsored mess in Ukraine. These foolish moves are all related to nuclear war and cannot be separated from that context. Since there has been an anti-Russia progression for thirty years, Russia has no reason to believe the next Western move will not be worse. The West made this a nuclear confrontation since the beginning because many of these moves are fundamentally related to nuclear war (leaving the nuclear arms control treaties and installing the missiles in Eastern Europe).

    Replies: @Sean

  272. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    The Russians have miserably failed to interrupt the constant transit of advanced Western weapons to the front lines, where their men are being decimated, and these attacks on cities probably have minimal effect on the war, while encouraging Western countries to resume their assistance at a time where the conflict was getting localized and clear peace movements were being made. Perhaps it was just a petty vengeance for the failure of their vaunted S-400s to protect Crimea from Western-made missiles.
     
    I disagree somewhat with some of those assessments. I have no idea what the intention behind Russia's missile strikes was, and obviously on a moral level they are worthy of condemnation. But I don't think they necessarily should impede a move towards negotiations (if that's still possible at all, the danger is that Putin now will accept nothing less than Ukraine's total defeat) or are totally irrational. Maybe they were meant to pressure Ukraine to exactly such an end. Think of the Christmas bombings the US did in 1972 near the end of the American involvement in Vietnam.
    I also want to make clear that I don't think it would be a good thing if Western financial and military support for Ukraine would be just ended. I don't think a Ukrainian collapse and a complete Russian victory would be a good outcome in any way (apart from deeply embarrassing the sort of people in the West who have been the must enthusiastic proponents of this mess). It might even increase the chances of a direct NATO-Russia conflict, since there would be calls for NATO intervention and a lot of room for miscalculations and accidental clashes if Russian troops approached Ukraine's western borders. The issue is what the goals of Western support should be. imo they now can only consist of damage limitation and trying to salvage as much of a sovereign Ukraine as is possible.

    Replies: @Sean, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    Nocomparison of Western/ Nato countries’ will defend a Nato member country and Western will to indirectly aid Ukraine or (Moldova) against a Russian invasion. The cases are fundamentally different as the Russians surely understand. and will be careful to respect.

    [T]he danger is that Putin now will accept nothing less than Ukraine’s total defeat) or are totally irrational.

    In the real world it is not a case of all or nothing. Ukraine will survive, and Russia will not be driven out of their gains. There will eventually be a tacit peace once Ukraine’s manpower becomes exhausted, and although a ceasefire is possible there will never be any final official agreement in which Russia agrees to recognize even a truncated Ukraine’s borders. It is going to be like the Korean war, with the cause of it never resolved. I never understand how people can think that Russia would consider recognising any borders of Ukraine, even if they were highly favourable to Russia. If Ukraine ceased to be at war or in a dispute over the borders of its territory, then Ukraine would become eligible to join Nato. Russia cannot afford peace, so they will keep the war going.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Sean


    It is going to be like the Korean war, with the cause of it never resolved. I never understand how people can think that Russia would consider recognising any borders of Ukraine, even if they were highly favourable to Russia. If Ukraine ceased to be at war or in a dispute over the borders of its territory, then Ukraine would become eligible to join Nato. Russia cannot afford peace, so they will keep the war going.
     
    One could argue Russia could have already had that by just keeping the Donbass conflict simmering. But Putin clearly came to the conclusion that the situation wasn't tenable anymore and that a decisive resolution was needed. So I'm not convinced he'll settle for the Korean scenario.
    But I agree insofar as anything more than a ceasefire is unfortunately unlikely, since no Ukrainian government (unless it's one totally at Russia's mercy) can recognize the Russian annexations.
    , @A123
    @Sean


    I never understand how people can think that Russia would consider recognising any borders of Ukraine, even if they were highly favourable to Russia. If Ukraine ceased to be at war or in a dispute over the borders of its territory, then Ukraine would become eligible to join Nato. Russia cannot afford peace, so they will keep the war going.
     
    You may be correct that there will be a de facto end without a formal treaty.

    Russia does not want to push Ukraine over the edge to become a failed state. Thus, there should be interest in some sort of deal. Ending sanctions on Russia and military limits on Ukraine (including no NATO ever) would go a long way towards a permanent resolution. The difficulty is making those things verifiable and enforceable.

    Preventing Kiev from gearing up to start Round 2 is possible. Zelensky will eventually flee to the EU. That will lead to a more reasonable partner for negotiations. At that point, a "Trust but Verify" and "No NATO Ever" concepts could be worked out.

    Any anti-sanction deal would have to bind European nations. That would be complex, and Russia will not sign on to anything that would let them come back for "other reasons". This may be the stumbling block that makes a grand compact treaty impossible.

    PEACE 😇

  273. Ukraine for Russia is like Vietnam was for America: a country so far away that it could be withdrawn from without any great national security problems. Not. The average Russian man dies in his 50s from alcohol poisoning so the Zstorm penal battalions are full of people who prison has preserved beyond their sell by date

    The Kremlin let Ukraine go because Yeltsin was more focused on securing supreme power, but when it did that it did that clearly never dreamt that Ukraine would actually try to join Nato. Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons because it thought that Russia would not dare invade Ukraine. There were Nato members holding military exercises in Ukraine (and even in Crimea) by 2001. Obviously the West and Ukraine thought Russia would be intimidated, and so Ukraine would be safer. Russia , the West m and Ukraine were all woefully wrong.

    There were warnings by the US diplomats (isince 1995 that Russia would become belligerent if Nato kept expanding. It sounds like Putin did not realise what Ukrainians felt about Russia, but by the same token Ukraine and the West seemed to have some funny ideas about what the Kremlin would stand for. Perhaps those 2002 Putin statements misled Ukraine and the West into thinking that the anti Russian (it is) military alliance known as the Washington Treaty organisation or Nato had permanently intimidated Russia. I nowhere see that even in 2002 when Russia was afflicted with low energy prices, and was conciliatory, Putin ever said that Ukraine trying to become a full member of Nato would be something that Russia would consider none of its business. By 2007 in a speech at Munich he was openly saying that Nato had already gone too far, and Russia was not a country that could be treated as if it was of no account. Washington’s top diplomat in Moscow told the President in a 2008 memo that Russians in general (not just Putin and his minions) would consider it unacceptable for Ukraine to try and join Nato.

    Ukraine has lots of territory; it does not have lots of reliable troops so it will run out of good units defending territory in the East the the way they are now. Put it another way Kiev has not got the men to continue slowing down the Russian advance by fighting it much right back to Kiev, because Ukraine will run out of men long before then. Is it Russian city after city being transformed into a ‘hellscape’? I don’t believe the Ukrainian military want to stand and fight to the extent they are doing; Zelensky is ordering them to for political reasons.

    From Ukraine’s perspective worse is better. In other words he’ll order his army to fight to the last man in the east, presenting countries in Nato with the prospect of Ukraine suddenly completely collapsing all the way to the border leaving Chapeter Five Nato countries abutting Russia. Ukraine is threatening the West that the alternative to giving Ukraine plenty of aid is a total rather than limited Russian victory because Zelensky will not try to preseve a rump Ukraine; it’s all or nothing.

  274. I would sorely like to find a clip of one of these Egyptian vultures spinning wool with a stick.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_vulture

  275. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    The Russians have miserably failed to interrupt the constant transit of advanced Western weapons to the front lines, where their men are being decimated, and these attacks on cities probably have minimal effect on the war, while encouraging Western countries to resume their assistance at a time where the conflict was getting localized and clear peace movements were being made. Perhaps it was just a petty vengeance for the failure of their vaunted S-400s to protect Crimea from Western-made missiles.
     
    I disagree somewhat with some of those assessments. I have no idea what the intention behind Russia's missile strikes was, and obviously on a moral level they are worthy of condemnation. But I don't think they necessarily should impede a move towards negotiations (if that's still possible at all, the danger is that Putin now will accept nothing less than Ukraine's total defeat) or are totally irrational. Maybe they were meant to pressure Ukraine to exactly such an end. Think of the Christmas bombings the US did in 1972 near the end of the American involvement in Vietnam.
    I also want to make clear that I don't think it would be a good thing if Western financial and military support for Ukraine would be just ended. I don't think a Ukrainian collapse and a complete Russian victory would be a good outcome in any way (apart from deeply embarrassing the sort of people in the West who have been the must enthusiastic proponents of this mess). It might even increase the chances of a direct NATO-Russia conflict, since there would be calls for NATO intervention and a lot of room for miscalculations and accidental clashes if Russian troops approached Ukraine's western borders. The issue is what the goals of Western support should be. imo they now can only consist of damage limitation and trying to salvage as much of a sovereign Ukraine as is possible.

    Replies: @Sean, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    I don’t think a Ukrainian collapse and a complete Russian victory would be a good outcome in any way (apart from deeply embarrassing the sort of people in the West who have been the must enthusiastic proponents of this mess).

    Don’t worry about them. Those people are beyond embarrassment. Their only concern is getting poisoned or assassinated or blackmailed as a result of inadequate security procedures. If their child is kidnapped raped tortured and killed that might cause them inconvenience but it would not embarrass any of them in a million years.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    By what seems a ' no retreat order (apparently enforced by Ukrainian blocking units who are killing those withdrawing) , Zelesksy is sacrificing his army in the East to present the NATO countries with the prospect of the Ukrainian army's resistance completely collapsing as a result of western battles

  276. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    If I’m informed correctly Ukraine has retaliated by attacking Belgorod with NATO-supplied weaponry (?) and killed several civilians there. Reinforces my conviction that Ukraine must never receive those German Taurus missiles they’re clamouring for so insistently.
     
    Wow, such moral indignation leveled at Ukraine over "several [Russian] civilian" deaths? Ukraine has experienced several thousand such deaths, deaths that were intentionally created, not the result of collateral damage as in the case of Belgograd. Yet, barely a whimper out of you in these instances for two years now. Why not at least a yelp out of you regarding the cessation of weaponry from Russia's suppliers? Why the double standard GR?

    Replies: @German_reader

    God, work on your reading comprehension, you dimwit. Ukraine can kill as many Russian civilians as it wants, one can certainly make a cogent argument that the Russian public deserves it for its support of the war. But it’s militarily pointless, it’s all for show and won’t do anything to avert the looming disaster for Ukraine. I don’t see why German taxpayers should finance such nonsense and attract Russian hatred for it, while not getting any influence on Ukrainian decisions in return. It’s enough to send anti-air systems and artillery pieces to Ukraine, at least Ukraine’s frequently deranged and less than trustworthy leadership can’t use them for anything too crazy. Missiles with a range of hundreds of kilometers, hell no.
    As for suppliers of Russia’s weaponry, much of that is produced in Russia itself, unlike with Ukraine which is dependent on Western support. Yes, Iran is selling drones and North Korea shells, but I doubt they’ll care about my condemnation, nor about anything else the West can still do to them, since they’re already under heavy sanctions anyway.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    Yes, Iran is selling drones and North Korea shells, but I doubt they’ll care about my condemnation, nor about anything else the West can still do to them, since they’re already under heavy sanctions anyway.
     
    Yes, so continue your surly criticisms about Ukraine and Ukrainians(and their allies too) who still care about what the world thinks about what's going on within their country.

    Replies: @German_reader

  277. @Greasy William
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Although an internet superstar she was only a modest tennis star.
     
    She was always treated like she couldn't play but at her peak, she was ranked 8th in the world. If you go back and watch her old matches, Anna was a world beater against mediocre competition. When she was playing against players in that 40 to 80 range, she was dominant. But then she just fell apart when she faced top 20 talent

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    She played quite well against anybody along with Martina Hingis in the doubles field. They often won championships together and were a pretty sight to behold.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    Do you know who the number one doubles team is?

    Virtually nobody else does either.

    She won the Australian Open 2X. She was a two time Grand Slam Tournament champion which is like the pinnacle of accomplishment. Almost nobody knows about it. I only know this because two minutes ago I looked it up.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Kournikova#Doubles:_3_(2%E2%80%931)

    Also semifinalist at Wimbledon 2X and semifinalist in the French one time.

  278. German_reader says:
    @Sean
    @German_reader

    Nocomparison of Western/ Nato countries' will defend a Nato member country and Western will to indirectly aid Ukraine or (Moldova) against a Russian invasion. The cases are fundamentally different as the Russians surely understand. and will be careful to respect.


    [T]he danger is that Putin now will accept nothing less than Ukraine’s total defeat) or are totally irrational.
     
    In the real world it is not a case of all or nothing. Ukraine will survive, and Russia will not be driven out of their gains. There will eventually be a tacit peace once Ukraine's manpower becomes exhausted, and although a ceasefire is possible there will never be any final official agreement in which Russia agrees to recognize even a truncated Ukraine's borders. It is going to be like the Korean war, with the cause of it never resolved. I never understand how people can think that Russia would consider recognising any borders of Ukraine, even if they were highly favourable to Russia. If Ukraine ceased to be at war or in a dispute over the borders of its territory, then Ukraine would become eligible to join Nato. Russia cannot afford peace, so they will keep the war going.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    It is going to be like the Korean war, with the cause of it never resolved. I never understand how people can think that Russia would consider recognising any borders of Ukraine, even if they were highly favourable to Russia. If Ukraine ceased to be at war or in a dispute over the borders of its territory, then Ukraine would become eligible to join Nato. Russia cannot afford peace, so they will keep the war going.

    One could argue Russia could have already had that by just keeping the Donbass conflict simmering. But Putin clearly came to the conclusion that the situation wasn’t tenable anymore and that a decisive resolution was needed. So I’m not convinced he’ll settle for the Korean scenario.
    But I agree insofar as anything more than a ceasefire is unfortunately unlikely, since no Ukrainian government (unless it’s one totally at Russia’s mercy) can recognize the Russian annexations.

  279. @Mr. Hack
    @Sher Singh

    Precisely, who cares?

    Replies: @songbird, @Sher Singh

    Sikh prohibitions mean:
    1.) They treat drunken war elephants harshly
    2.) Sobering said animals up with coffee is not an option.
    3.) Many of their women do not shave, and so do not risk being stolen. OTOH, it seems to remove the power of politically aggressive Lesbians to signal, as I saw once, when I was by Smith College.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    4.) There basically isn't any job that you can hire one for. Maybe robot supervisor from 11 p.m. to 7 a.m.

    , @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    Women need only keep hair on head.

    Replies: @songbird

  280. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Sikh prohibitions mean:
    1.) They treat drunken war elephants harshly
    2.) Sobering said animals up with coffee is not an option.
    3.) Many of their women do not shave, and so do not risk being stolen. OTOH, it seems to remove the power of politically aggressive Lesbians to signal, as I saw once, when I was by Smith College.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh

    4.) There basically isn’t any job that you can hire one for. Maybe robot supervisor from 11 p.m. to 7 a.m.

  281. @Sean
    @German_reader

    Nocomparison of Western/ Nato countries' will defend a Nato member country and Western will to indirectly aid Ukraine or (Moldova) against a Russian invasion. The cases are fundamentally different as the Russians surely understand. and will be careful to respect.


    [T]he danger is that Putin now will accept nothing less than Ukraine’s total defeat) or are totally irrational.
     
    In the real world it is not a case of all or nothing. Ukraine will survive, and Russia will not be driven out of their gains. There will eventually be a tacit peace once Ukraine's manpower becomes exhausted, and although a ceasefire is possible there will never be any final official agreement in which Russia agrees to recognize even a truncated Ukraine's borders. It is going to be like the Korean war, with the cause of it never resolved. I never understand how people can think that Russia would consider recognising any borders of Ukraine, even if they were highly favourable to Russia. If Ukraine ceased to be at war or in a dispute over the borders of its territory, then Ukraine would become eligible to join Nato. Russia cannot afford peace, so they will keep the war going.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    I never understand how people can think that Russia would consider recognising any borders of Ukraine, even if they were highly favourable to Russia. If Ukraine ceased to be at war or in a dispute over the borders of its territory, then Ukraine would become eligible to join Nato. Russia cannot afford peace, so they will keep the war going.

    You may be correct that there will be a de facto end without a formal treaty.

    Russia does not want to push Ukraine over the edge to become a failed state. Thus, there should be interest in some sort of deal. Ending sanctions on Russia and military limits on Ukraine (including no NATO ever) would go a long way towards a permanent resolution. The difficulty is making those things verifiable and enforceable.

    Preventing Kiev from gearing up to start Round 2 is possible. Zelensky will eventually flee to the EU. That will lead to a more reasonable partner for negotiations. At that point, a “Trust but Verify” and “No NATO Ever” concepts could be worked out.

    Any anti-sanction deal would have to bind European nations. That would be complex, and Russia will not sign on to anything that would let them come back for “other reasons”. This may be the stumbling block that makes a grand compact treaty impossible.

    PEACE 😇

  282. @Mr. Hack
    @Greasy William

    She played quite well against anybody along with Martina Hingis in the doubles field. They often won championships together and were a pretty sight to behold.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Do you know who the number one doubles team is?

    Virtually nobody else does either.

    She won the Australian Open 2X. She was a two time Grand Slam Tournament champion which is like the pinnacle of accomplishment. Almost nobody knows about it. I only know this because two minutes ago I looked it up.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Kournikova#Doubles:_3_(2%E2%80%931)

    Also semifinalist at Wimbledon 2X and semifinalist in the French one time.

  283. @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC


    It looks like the West is trying to get all the Ukrainians killed.
     
    Why? By destroying Russian factories that produce munitions and weaponry? Don't try and change the subject.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Exactly. The attacks you gleefully mention may be inducing Russia to take a more typical approach to the war by starting heavy bombing campaigns in Ukraine. These brutal missions have been a mainstay of Western wars since WW2 and Russia has avoided them so far, but hey, TNT is cheap. If Russia needs to stop Western-sponsored Ukrainian attacks on Russian territory quickly this would be one approach. They could simply follow some (((Old Testament model))) such as you kill 1 of us we kill 10,000 of you.

    I think of this NATO-Russia-Ukraine conflict as part of the Cold War, which was a nuclear standoff between two large empires. You should consider this big picture. During the Cold War in the West we heard of “DEFCON” or Defense Readiness Condition for USA nuclear forces. Condition 5 is normal, no problemo. Condition 1 is nuclear war underway.

    Here is the list, based on wikipedia.

    DEFCON 1 Nuclear war is imminent or has already begun
    DEFCON 2 Next step to nuclear war
    DEFCON 3 Increased force readiness above normal
    DEFCON 4 Increase intelligence readiness and strengthened security
    DEFCON 5 Lowest state of readiness

    Nuclear war has a system of its own which can be kicked into motion by conventional war. I don’t know how the Russians or NATO view this, but the basic idea of a progression from normal to killing millions of people is understood. The details are not as important as the basic idea, especially since they will never publicly disclose the real details.

    I estimate the Russian equivalent posture was a wary 5 before Maidan, wary because of previous USA and Western moves against Russia. After Maidan they go to 4 since there is combat near the border with open NATO involvement and less than one air-hour from Moscow. Always remember that NATO is strictly an ANTI-RUSSIA MILITARY ALLIANCE. With the SMO they go to DEFCON 3. Remember this is increased NUCLEAR force readiness. The question is where do the Russians stand now? My guess is Western-sponsored drone attacks on Engels airbase and the Kremlin would put them to DEFCON 2 equivalent.

    So my question for you is do you really want to pressure Russia into using nuclear weapons against Ukraine? The Western military leadership has already tried to break out of MAD to give themselves leeway to play nuclear brinkmanship with Russia. Perversely, this may imply that a Russian strike, especially on Ukraine, might not lead to a USA/NATO nuclear response. Don’t forget that all of the western instigators of this mess care very little if any about actual Ukrainians. They do not love Ukraine, they hate Russia. Very likely most of them actually consider Ukrainians interchangeable with Russians. Since 1990 the West has broken some very serious nuclear understandings and instead of trying to fix things is making them worse on a daily basis.

    My discussion of the DEFCON scenario is speculative. Since the West broke out of the ABM treaty I assume the framework would change to support this more aggressive Western nuclear posture. I have no idea what similar ‘Defconsky’ system Russia uses, but the basic concept of stages of alertness and preparation is likely to exist. A key point about the heightened state is the chance for miscalculation or accidental escalation becomes higher and the consequences are civilizational.

    Russia and the USA each have about 1500 nuclear weapons.

    There are many challenges and questions for Russian planners. They need to figure out when does the conventional warfare lead to nuclear war. Just so you know, “figure out” is code for guess since no one knows. Can a limited nuclear strike preemptively prevent a full-scale nuclear war? Is it better to simply start crushing Ukraine with conventional bombing instead of babying it to prevent escalation to a very risky attempt at a limited nuclear strike?

    You will say the Russians should go home. The value of that suggestion is not supported by the facts. NATO has been expanded, the USA dropped out of key treaties, the USA very aggressively based missiles in Eastern Europe and the West has fomented coups directly on the Russian border. These steps are blatant precursors to the Western-sponsored mess in Ukraine. These foolish moves are all related to nuclear war and cannot be separated from that context. Since there has been an anti-Russia progression for thirty years, Russia has no reason to believe the next Western move will not be worse. The West made this a nuclear confrontation since the beginning because many of these moves are fundamentally related to nuclear war (leaving the nuclear arms control treaties and installing the missiles in Eastern Europe).

    • Replies: @Sean
    @QCIC

    The US would win any conventional world war, so why would they go nuclear? Russia's first use of theatre thermonuclear use against Ukraine would not count.

    Replies: @QCIC

  284. An historical question has been nagging me for quite a long time: why was the ancient Med so dangerous?

    Not like it is the Atlantic or the North Sea. And isn’t the stormy season pretty predictable?

    Were the ships just really crappy back then? And why did they take so long to get better? Or did they not until modern times?

    Did the Romans really lose >100,000 men to drowning, after withdrawing from North Africa in 255 BC? Or is it just a made-up number?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_withdrawal_from_Africa_(255_BC)

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    The sea is another world. Have you ever worked on a ship?

    Taking a cruise for a vacation is madness. It might be interesting to read about the guy who thought that one up. Taking a sailboat out into the bay for a couple of hours is nowhere close to the real world. Al Copeland, the guy who came up with Popeye's chicken, once made a deal to borrow hundreds of millions for expanding his company. One of the first items on the loan agreement was you have to sell your boats.

    None of the best information ever made it into the records.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @S
    @songbird


    Did the Romans really lose >100,000 men to drowning, after withdrawing from North Africa in 255 BC? Or is it just a made-up number?
     
    D*mn! That sounds as bad (or worse) than the Spanish Armada being drowned in 1588. I'm surprised the Roman's were able to recover at all, let alone as quickly as they did. [According to your link it's thought to have actually happened however.]

    Were the ships just really crappy back then?
     
    I don't know if I'd say 'crappy'. It's what they had.

    The new Greek navy has a commissioned trireme, the Olympias, which during it's 1987 sea trials, and fully manned with 200 slaves (err...volunteers) rowing, was found to be highly maneuverable, and could make about 10 mph. [Just kidding about the 'new' Greek navy. But the Trireme is an officially commissioned ship of the modern Greek navy.]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympias_(trireme)

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/The_trireme_Olympias_on_23_February_2019.jpg/600px-The_trireme_Olympias_on_23_February_2019.jpg

    What I find absolutely astounding is the oldest intact shipwreck is a 2400 year old Greek trading vessel found at the bottom of the Black Sea. [That's an actual photo of it.]

    https://wordlesstech.com/worlds-oldest-shipwreck-discovered-intact/#post/0

    https://wordlesstech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/World’s-Oldest-Shipwreck-Discovered-Intact-1.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

  285. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader


    I don’t think a Ukrainian collapse and a complete Russian victory would be a good outcome in any way (apart from deeply embarrassing the sort of people in the West who have been the must enthusiastic proponents of this mess).
     
    Don't worry about them. Those people are beyond embarrassment. Their only concern is getting poisoned or assassinated or blackmailed as a result of inadequate security procedures. If their child is kidnapped raped tortured and killed that might cause them inconvenience but it would not embarrass any of them in a million years.

    Replies: @Sean

    By what seems a ‘ no retreat order (apparently enforced by Ukrainian blocking units who are killing those withdrawing) , Zelesksy is sacrificing his army in the East to present the NATO countries with the prospect of the Ukrainian army’s resistance completely collapsing as a result of western battles

  286. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Exactly. The attacks you gleefully mention may be inducing Russia to take a more typical approach to the war by starting heavy bombing campaigns in Ukraine. These brutal missions have been a mainstay of Western wars since WW2 and Russia has avoided them so far, but hey, TNT is cheap. If Russia needs to stop Western-sponsored Ukrainian attacks on Russian territory quickly this would be one approach. They could simply follow some (((Old Testament model))) such as you kill 1 of us we kill 10,000 of you.

    I think of this NATO-Russia-Ukraine conflict as part of the Cold War, which was a nuclear standoff between two large empires. You should consider this big picture. During the Cold War in the West we heard of "DEFCON" or Defense Readiness Condition for USA nuclear forces. Condition 5 is normal, no problemo. Condition 1 is nuclear war underway.

    Here is the list, based on wikipedia.

    DEFCON 1 Nuclear war is imminent or has already begun
    DEFCON 2 Next step to nuclear war
    DEFCON 3 Increased force readiness above normal
    DEFCON 4 Increase intelligence readiness and strengthened security
    DEFCON 5 Lowest state of readiness

    Nuclear war has a system of its own which can be kicked into motion by conventional war. I don't know how the Russians or NATO view this, but the basic idea of a progression from normal to killing millions of people is understood. The details are not as important as the basic idea, especially since they will never publicly disclose the real details.

    I estimate the Russian equivalent posture was a wary 5 before Maidan, wary because of previous USA and Western moves against Russia. After Maidan they go to 4 since there is combat near the border with open NATO involvement and less than one air-hour from Moscow. Always remember that NATO is strictly an ANTI-RUSSIA MILITARY ALLIANCE. With the SMO they go to DEFCON 3. Remember this is increased NUCLEAR force readiness. The question is where do the Russians stand now? My guess is Western-sponsored drone attacks on Engels airbase and the Kremlin would put them to DEFCON 2 equivalent.

    So my question for you is do you really want to pressure Russia into using nuclear weapons against Ukraine? The Western military leadership has already tried to break out of MAD to give themselves leeway to play nuclear brinkmanship with Russia. Perversely, this may imply that a Russian strike, especially on Ukraine, might not lead to a USA/NATO nuclear response. Don't forget that all of the western instigators of this mess care very little if any about actual Ukrainians. They do not love Ukraine, they hate Russia. Very likely most of them actually consider Ukrainians interchangeable with Russians. Since 1990 the West has broken some very serious nuclear understandings and instead of trying to fix things is making them worse on a daily basis.

    My discussion of the DEFCON scenario is speculative. Since the West broke out of the ABM treaty I assume the framework would change to support this more aggressive Western nuclear posture. I have no idea what similar 'Defconsky' system Russia uses, but the basic concept of stages of alertness and preparation is likely to exist. A key point about the heightened state is the chance for miscalculation or accidental escalation becomes higher and the consequences are civilizational.

    Russia and the USA each have about 1500 nuclear weapons.

    There are many challenges and questions for Russian planners. They need to figure out when does the conventional warfare lead to nuclear war. Just so you know, "figure out" is code for guess since no one knows. Can a limited nuclear strike preemptively prevent a full-scale nuclear war? Is it better to simply start crushing Ukraine with conventional bombing instead of babying it to prevent escalation to a very risky attempt at a limited nuclear strike?

    You will say the Russians should go home. The value of that suggestion is not supported by the facts. NATO has been expanded, the USA dropped out of key treaties, the USA very aggressively based missiles in Eastern Europe and the West has fomented coups directly on the Russian border. These steps are blatant precursors to the Western-sponsored mess in Ukraine. These foolish moves are all related to nuclear war and cannot be separated from that context. Since there has been an anti-Russia progression for thirty years, Russia has no reason to believe the next Western move will not be worse. The West made this a nuclear confrontation since the beginning because many of these moves are fundamentally related to nuclear war (leaving the nuclear arms control treaties and installing the missiles in Eastern Europe).

    Replies: @Sean

    The US would win any conventional world war, so why would they go nuclear? Russia’s first use of theatre thermonuclear use against Ukraine would not count.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Sean

    This not clear at all. The US is very dependent on a constant flow of imports as are China, India and Europe. Worldwide shipping would be at risk in such a war. I think Russia is now less dependent on imports in general and would simply increase flows from China and India if other sources are cut off. Russia's economy depends on maritime shipment for oil revenue but this could be addressed by the inevitable nationalization in a war.

    The USA has an empire and this brings tradeoffs to a war. She has assets around the world but they are tied together by shipping, air travel and satellites all of which are very vulnerable even in a conventional war. The aircraft carrier part of the Navy may be very vulnerable as well. The grave risk is these forces are spread too thin and disconnected from each other. In this case Russia can turn turtle and stay in her shell. If enough US military assets are degraded, the disconnected military pieces of the empire could become vulnerable to local trouble and changing alliances.

    Replies: @Sean

  287. @Philip Owen
    A word in defense of Putin.

    I am a regular viewer of the NASA Fire map. It is often confounded by agricultural fires or thick clouds but not in the last few nights.

    Three places in Ukraine seems to have been hit. Somewhere between 30-40 missiles detonated. All were in or on the fringe of industrial areas. All are relatively close to the border where fast short range missiles with a light payload might have reached the target faster than Air Defense could act pr drones crept through. Nowhere else is there a fire that could be seen as a missile attack. I conclude that anti missile systems worked on the longer range incoming missile systems as the reaction time was enough. Short range very fast incoming, maybe no cover, maybe detection didn't work.

    The towns are:
    Zaporizhzhia
    Kryvyi Rih
    Kamianske

    Local air defence may have shot down a missile or two as there are isolated fires in residential areas.

    Fires in Gaza have eased off a little and are now long term fires in the North.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    A word in defense of Putin.

    Translation: Get ready for intellectual dishonesty as I try to defend a mass murderer.

    Three places in Ukraine seems to have been hit. Somewhere between 30-40 missiles detonated. All were in or on the fringe of industrial areas.

    You would describe an apartment building in downtown Kiev as a fringe area?

    All are relatively close to the border where fast short range missiles with a light payload might have reached the target faster than Air Defense could act pr drones crept through.

    What border exactly? He attacked Kiev which is closer to Belarus.

    Maybe read about the attack before commenting on it:

    Kiev: Ukraine suffers largest Russian air attack since start of war
    https://news.yahoo.com/kiev-ukraine-suffers-largest-russian-104343712.html

    A real genius move. The remaining GOP geniuses like Marjorie that are holding back on aid will have a harder time explaining themselves. Marjorie already can barely make a coherent argument as it is and was caught falling for the yacht story:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/how-zelensky-yachts-fable-influenced-us-aid-debate/ar-AA1lOzUL

    The biggest defender of Putin in congress is a nitwit Q follower that fell for an internet rumor. Some real quality people have lined up to defend a mass murdering dwarf. Putin’s US defender hasn’t figured out how to use Google before running her mouth.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @John Johnson

    Philip Owen, who was commenting here years before you showed up, is clearly against Putin. He's just not hysterical like you.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Poupon Marx
    @John Johnson

    Putin is THE ideal leader of Russia. 85% of the Russian people polled believe this. This acheivements mirror those of Lee Kwan Yew in Singapore, a country that started its independence at less than zero, like Russia after Perestroika.

    Most of you who whole sale denigrate Putin, instead of providing historical, economic, and political context of Russia-internal and external-are deficient and lacking in information, facts and evidence. That is obviously a combination of sloth and indifference, lack of opportunity (take a break from ritual and frequent masturbation), and a low level of intellectual integrity and confidence level. The latest, REAL data from Russia:

    Russian factory activity humming – survey
    Manufacturing has surged to its highest level in seven years, according to S&P Global

    Defying sanctions and pivoting East: Here’s why the Russian economy not only survived, but grew in 2023
    GDP growth is set to outperform that of all major Western countries

    https://www.rt.com/business/589686-russian-economy-defies-sanctions/

    Russia’s forex reserves surging
    Holdings grew by $5.5 billion in just one week, official data shows

    https://www.rt.com/business/589827-russia-forex-reserves-growth/

    Russia’s gas production soars – data
    Output rose by 6.4% in November year-on-year, official statistics show

    https://www.rt.com/business/589806-russia-gas-production-growth/

    Australians who permanently moved to Moscow. Russia is the overall best country to live in (for individuals and family) in the World.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3C7LDNACJs

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @John Johnson

  288. @songbird
    An historical question has been nagging me for quite a long time: why was the ancient Med so dangerous?

    Not like it is the Atlantic or the North Sea. And isn't the stormy season pretty predictable?

    Were the ships just really crappy back then? And why did they take so long to get better? Or did they not until modern times?

    Did the Romans really lose >100,000 men to drowning, after withdrawing from North Africa in 255 BC? Or is it just a made-up number?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_withdrawal_from_Africa_(255_BC)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @S

    The sea is another world. Have you ever worked on a ship?

    Taking a cruise for a vacation is madness. It might be interesting to read about the guy who thought that one up. Taking a sailboat out into the bay for a couple of hours is nowhere close to the real world. Al Copeland, the guy who came up with Popeye’s chicken, once made a deal to borrow hundreds of millions for expanding his company. One of the first items on the loan agreement was you have to sell your boats.

    None of the best information ever made it into the records.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Have you ever worked on a ship?

     

    Not unless you count paddling a canoe.

    Taking a cruise for a vacation is madness
     
    I suspect that the Love Boat never had an episode about norovirus.

    They did have an episode with gays though and one that softpetalled trannies.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_1980s_American_television_episodes_with_LGBT_themes

    Replies: @QCIC

  289. https://www.rt.com/russia/589697-arestovich-ukraine-russia-kiev/

    Ukraine needs to come to an agreement with Russian President Vladimir Putin, and then Kiev and Moscow should unite to sue the West.

    You may think the above idea is rather radical and unusual. Sue the West? Where? In what court? The same West that has no issue with either Ukraine or the US (or both) blowing up Germany’s – and the EU’s – vital energy pipelines? Or the West that ignores its leaders’ complicity in Israel’s genocide in Gaza, a crime explicitly proscribed – the complicity no less than the act itself – in Article III (e) of the 1948 UN Genocide Convention?

    But wait till you hear about the fertile mind that produced this very outside-the-box idea. It’s none other than Aleksey Arestovich, once an adviser to Ukrainian president Vladimir Zelensky. Not necessarily a household name (yet) outside Ukraine, Arestovich was, until very recently, a man of extraordinary influence in Kiev, and used it to energetically promote the very proxy war that he’d now like to end and to then blame on the West alone.

    University dropout, sleazy pop psychologist (of the how-to-manipulate-others-to-succeed type), former military and virtually certainly also intelligence officer, blogger and would-be-geopolitics guru with very adaptable views, and, of course, Zelensky aide from 2020 to 2023, Arestovich is not merely an individual but a syndrome: He stands for a social type, the smart but psychopathically empathy-less conman who managed to ruthlessly exploit the disorientation left behind in post-Soviet societies with a coldhearted cynicism that would have made Machiavelli blush.
    The knives are out in Kiev: Once Ukraine loses the war, its elites will eat each other alive

    Now he deplores that Ukrainians and Russians are killing each other in droves over a couple of provincial towns. “And for what?”, it has occurred to him to ask himself. Arestovich’s answer is of the kind that not long ago would’ve got you canceled in the West as a Putin stooge and appeaser: “We have pleased the head honchos from the Washington and Brussels obkoms – [a now derogative term from the Soviet lexicon, designating a district administration] – who stand around us and applaud, watching as two apes with knives have a go at each other.”

    Arestovich’s 180-degree turn is yet another absurdity produced by the theatrical politics of the Kiev elite. But, embittering as it may be to hear this former warmonger extraordinaire speak about peace and who’s blame, the stark contrast between the old anti-Russian jingoist Arestovich, and the new, would-be-friend of Russia and foe-of-the-West Arestovich, provides a depressingly accurate measure of just how irresponsible Ukrainian politics has become under the de facto authoritarian Zelensky regime.

    In 2019, it was Arestovich who infamously ‘predicted’ a big and devastating war (beyond the conflict which started in 2014) with Russia over Ukraine’s attempt to join NATO, which, eventually, in 2022, left some naïve Western commenters gushing over his “eerie” foresight.

    Except Arestovich did not really predict the big war in 2019. Instead, he sold it as good as he could. Ruling out any possibility of peacefully ending the then-ongoing, smaller-scale conflict with the Donbass republics (Minsk II, anybody?), he used the usual baseless talking points (“Putin wants to rebuild the Soviet Union, destroy NATO, and the EU, dominate Europe” and so on, the whole hogwash then fashionable from Annalena Baerbock to Tim Snyder) to present an escalation into a bigger war as absolutely inevitable: Because not only did Minsk II hardly appear on this great fantasy-strategist’s radar, he also insisted that neutrality was impossible for Ukraine and misled his followers into believing that NATO would easily (“all very simple now”) accept Ukraine, even if it had unresolved territorial conflicts with internal insurgents or with Russia.

    At the same time, Arestovich presented the future big war as Ukraine’s great chance. Having posited the false alternative – at least back then – of either joining NATO after that big war against Russia (which he recklessly assumed Ukraine would win) or being absorbed by Moscow in the near future, he wholeheartedly recommended course number one: war with Russia. Even three such wars in succession seemed to him both inevitable and advisable; back then, that is.

    And, finally, he also invited Ukrainians to indulge in the West’s favorite fantasy, namely that Russia might suffer collapse and undergo a regime change. “Some kind of liberals” would come to power, he claimed, and say “we are a nice country again.” That part of his sales pitch for a steadfast “no” to diplomacy, compromise, and peace is particularly ironic now. For he has announced an utter and complete change of heart in an interview with Russian journalist and broadcaster Yulia Latynina.
    World War III approaches – just as planned

    Latynina is, of course, the embodiment of the kind of “liberal” (or “libertarian,” as she prefers) almost no Russian can stand, for excellent reasons: Having received her 2008 “freedom award” from the US State Department, she has been a reliable purveyor of right-wing propaganda, ranging from denying global warming, via finding that poor countries need not have too much democracy, to an almost obsessive islamophobia.

    Even good old Europe is still too soft on simple people for her: All that “social-democratic” mumbo-jumbo about human rights, etc. won’t cut it for Latynina; her true European ‘values’ are about property, innovation, and competition. So much for those regime-change fantasies, then. It’s the Latynina type that Arestovich was wagering on. No wonder most Russians, including those critical of President Vladimir Putin, say “anybody but that.”

    Yet in their recent tête-à-tête on YouTube, the Ukrainian conman and the Russian libertarian couldn’t see entirely eye to eye. Even Latynina felt that Arestovich’s idea of joining up Russia to sue the NATO states was a bit of a non-starter. Moreover, as much in awe of the West as she is, she had to remind him that it “doesn’t owe Ukraine anything.” Arestovich, carried away by his newest brainwave, insisted it does.

    Both were missing the point: It does not matter what the West owes or does not owe you. The West will always only give you what is best for the West (and that usually means the US). And when that is “nothing,” then that is what you will get. If only arrogant former warmongers like Arestovich could finally start facing reality. All of it.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mikhail

    Interesting. I wonder if Arestovich is now signed up to make this a forever war? That is what I think of when peaceful coexistence is mentioned. I believe Russia is still cleaning house in Ukraine and will do so for a long time. In the long run peaceful coexistence will be the order of the day, but not until the people who enthusiastically supported this mess are out of the picture. Maybe they can all be repurposed in the USA to fight illegal immigrants. They will be loved by the liberals as long as they live in Europe, but maybe these Ukies can be loved by the MAGA conservatives upon their inevitable transfer to the USA!

    Yulia sounds interesting as some sort of agent of chaos. I think she is correct to be skeptical of global warming and third world democracy. She is also wise to be alarmed about violent Islam as long as she is also alarmed about the control of Judaism. What religion is in her background?

  290. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    The sea is another world. Have you ever worked on a ship?

    Taking a cruise for a vacation is madness. It might be interesting to read about the guy who thought that one up. Taking a sailboat out into the bay for a couple of hours is nowhere close to the real world. Al Copeland, the guy who came up with Popeye's chicken, once made a deal to borrow hundreds of millions for expanding his company. One of the first items on the loan agreement was you have to sell your boats.

    None of the best information ever made it into the records.

    Replies: @songbird

    Have you ever worked on a ship?

    Not unless you count paddling a canoe.

    Taking a cruise for a vacation is madness

    I suspect that the Love Boat never had an episode about norovirus.

    They did have an episode with gays though and one that softpetalled trannies.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_1980s_American_television_episodes_with_LGBT_themes

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @songbird

    After LOL at "softpetalled" which I think is usually "soft pedaled", I foolishly made a google image search for "tranny in a tutu" to give a visual reply. I will spare you all the results. Repeat at your own risk!

  291. @Greasy William
    @Yevardian


    A lot of French and especially Italian women still manage to exude that ‘arrogant and regal’ aura you mentioned
     
    Even Monica Bellucci didn't have the aura of regal arrogance that Anna did. Neither did Vivian Leigh in Gone with the Wind nor Barbara Stanwyck in Double Indemnity. Anna is probably the closest thing the world has ever seen to a real life version of Aphrodite in both looks and demeanor.

    And I think you may be the first person to ever describe Anna's looks as girl next door.

    Replies: @Matra

    Even Monica Bellucci didn’t have the aura of regal arrogance that Anna did

    In a place full of ridiculous takes this one might be the most ridiculous I’ve seen here in a while.

    Anna is probably the closest thing the world has ever seen to a real life version of Aphrodite in both looks and demeanor.

    Sharapova (a cheat), Ana Ivanovic (who won Roland Garros), and at least 20 other players in the last 20 years were better looking.

    Your previous post pointing out that Kournikova was a good player is accurate though. Maybe she’d have been more successful if she’d concentrated more on tennis and less on celeb stuff (think Eugenie Bouchard) but that’s not a given as she had a skill ceiling or whatever the term is.

  292. Happy New year to all! Let 2024 be better than 2023.

    • Agree: QCIC, Greasy William
    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Happy New year to all! Let 2024 be better than 2023.
     
    I agree. However...

     
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    🎆 HAPPY NEW YEAR 🎇
  293. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    The Russians have miserably failed to interrupt the constant transit of advanced Western weapons to the front lines, where their men are being decimated, and these attacks on cities probably have minimal effect on the war, while encouraging Western countries to resume their assistance at a time where the conflict was getting localized and clear peace movements were being made. Perhaps it was just a petty vengeance for the failure of their vaunted S-400s to protect Crimea from Western-made missiles.
     
    I disagree somewhat with some of those assessments. I have no idea what the intention behind Russia's missile strikes was, and obviously on a moral level they are worthy of condemnation. But I don't think they necessarily should impede a move towards negotiations (if that's still possible at all, the danger is that Putin now will accept nothing less than Ukraine's total defeat) or are totally irrational. Maybe they were meant to pressure Ukraine to exactly such an end. Think of the Christmas bombings the US did in 1972 near the end of the American involvement in Vietnam.
    I also want to make clear that I don't think it would be a good thing if Western financial and military support for Ukraine would be just ended. I don't think a Ukrainian collapse and a complete Russian victory would be a good outcome in any way (apart from deeply embarrassing the sort of people in the West who have been the must enthusiastic proponents of this mess). It might even increase the chances of a direct NATO-Russia conflict, since there would be calls for NATO intervention and a lot of room for miscalculations and accidental clashes if Russian troops approached Ukraine's western borders. The issue is what the goals of Western support should be. imo they now can only consist of damage limitation and trying to salvage as much of a sovereign Ukraine as is possible.

    Replies: @Sean, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    I don’t think they necessarily should impede a move towards negotiations

    If we enter a tit for tat phase of the war with constant attacks against cities I’m afraid it would. Everything here in the US (and also in Europe, as far as I can see) is managed at a purely emotional level and there are very powerful forces that still push for unconditional support for Ukraine, including the MSM, who can be counted on portraying such an escalation as pure Russian sadism.

    But I won’t pretend to know what happened in the Republican Party for the anti-Ukrainian voices to gain the upper hand, at least temporarily, and stop all aid to Ukraine. All I can say is what I said here at the beginning of this conflict (or perhaps it was earlier): that I wouldn’t like my old country to depend on US support. Nobody here would get the many nuances right and they may end up retiring that support at a crucial moment due to internal politics. It is just best for everybody, particularly the US itself, to limit interventions in foreign conflicts to the minimum necessary and learn to mediate rather than always following the reflexive impulse of choosing one side.

    On the other hand, that the Ukrainians would use Western weapons to attack civilian areas was of course always a given, considering what had happened in Donbas. There is quite a lot of evidence that they have used NATO shells to kill civilians in Donetsk, Gorlivka and their favorite target cities. Those conditions the West imposed on the usage of their weapons were largely a fig leaf. What was Germany or the US going to do if the Ukrainians interpreted those conditions loosely? Stop the deliveries altogether and let Russia win the war?

    Anyway, best wishes for 2024 for you too. And take it easy with your countrymen. People all over the West, and beyond, have been brainwashed to adopt insane beliefs and we’re all going through pretty crazy times but I’m sure that if you were forced to live in most any other place on Earth, you’d start missing your compatriots soon lol

  294. @John Johnson
    @Philip Owen

    A word in defense of Putin.

    Translation: Get ready for intellectual dishonesty as I try to defend a mass murderer.

    Three places in Ukraine seems to have been hit. Somewhere between 30-40 missiles detonated. All were in or on the fringe of industrial areas.

    You would describe an apartment building in downtown Kiev as a fringe area?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvOaoYbHZU8

    All are relatively close to the border where fast short range missiles with a light payload might have reached the target faster than Air Defense could act pr drones crept through.

    What border exactly? He attacked Kiev which is closer to Belarus.

    Maybe read about the attack before commenting on it:

    Kiev: Ukraine suffers largest Russian air attack since start of war
    https://news.yahoo.com/kiev-ukraine-suffers-largest-russian-104343712.html

    A real genius move. The remaining GOP geniuses like Marjorie that are holding back on aid will have a harder time explaining themselves. Marjorie already can barely make a coherent argument as it is and was caught falling for the yacht story:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/how-zelensky-yachts-fable-influenced-us-aid-debate/ar-AA1lOzUL

    The biggest defender of Putin in congress is a nitwit Q follower that fell for an internet rumor. Some real quality people have lined up to defend a mass murdering dwarf. Putin's US defender hasn't figured out how to use Google before running her mouth.

    Replies: @Matra, @Poupon Marx

    Philip Owen, who was commenting here years before you showed up, is clearly against Putin. He’s just not hysterical like you.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Matra

    Philip Owen, who was commenting here years before you showed up, is clearly against Putin. He’s just not hysterical like you.

    I really don't give a flying f-ck if he has 72 super duper internet poster awards. None of you are my friends or enemies. This is an anonymous forum and I don't maintain some type of emotional history.

    He chose to preface a post with "in defense of Putin" and I called him out on it.

    His choice not mine. To me that is no different than "in defense of a child murderer".

    Most people outside of Unz would not find my response to be hysterical. Even Tucker who for years tried to depict Putin as a Christian has admitted the guy is a pyscho. Tucker switched to the position that the US shouldn't be involved for economic reasons. Oh and that was after he was caught lying about his support for Trump when he actually hated him. I like to mention that on occasion for the MAGA losers that still follow him.

    Replies: @Matra

  295. @QCIC
    @Beckow

    I think much of the weaponry on both sides was not used as really intended, so the various failures and successes may be a bit misleading. I think the West thought Russia was weak enough that a partial attack with a large Ukrainian/NATO-interoperable ground force with 'home field advantage' could overcome the Russians despite the limited air capability of the Ukrainians. So close to the border this doesn't really make sense, which is one reason I entertain the notion that Ukraine and the West were planning some sort of blitzkrieg on Crimea which would catch the Russians off guard. This prize could only be held if NATO played some "humanitarian assistance" trick and brought in heavy forces to cement the capture of Crimea and then play nuclear brinksmanship with Russia. I think the Kiev feint was designed to break up this blitzkrieg. Will we ever know what happened?

    The other big factor is that Russia did not use its airpower to immediately destroy ALL of Ukraine's long-range air defenses. This fact makes most sense if Russia wanted to minimize collateral damage and civilian deaths and also WANTED to have a protracted ground war to kill off Ukrainian fighters. This seems to be what they have been doing for at least 15 months.

    If the NATO forces had come in with a well thought out attack using full air and ground power and Russia did as well, the tradeoffs in how well the weapons worked on both sides could be different. Russia would be forced to destroy Ukrainian infrastructure and cities immediately. I think it would rapidly lead to World War Three and nuclear weapons use because the losses on both sides would be enormous from the beginning.

    Replies: @Beckow, @LondonBob

    …If the NATO forces had come in with a well thought out attack using full air and ground power and Russia did as well, the tradeoffs…on both sides could be different. Russia would destroy Ukrainian infrastructure and cities immediately…it would rapidly lead to World War Three and nuclear weapons use because the losses on both sides…

    That point is what makes the war so weird – and interesting. Given the years of build-up since 2014 both sides should be better prepared. They should have actually thought all of it through. Instead it looks like we have two huge behemoths on auto pilots who have strategic goals but no other clear ideas. That is a very dangerous situation.

    Like Germany in WW2, US in Vietnam and Iraq, Israel with the Palis, and everybody who invaded Afghanistan (why?) – these are grand strategies divorced from reality: wars against geography and demography, they are effectively not winnable. In retrospect they always look like unnecessary tragedies initiated by very stupid people.

    Nato’s goals are simple: control Black Sea and weaken Russia. Everything else is noise – Kiev revolutions, EU promises, demonising Russia, arming Ukraine. After Russia took Crimea those goals never had a snowball’s chance in hell to succeed. But they kept it up.

    Russia’s original goal was to keep the status quo: messy, neutral Ukraine allied with Russia and dreaming of Europe, Crimea bases, trade with Europe – muddle through as Russia always does when left alone. The last thing they want is an “empire”, they can barely manage the night life in Moscow.

    When Russia was pushed by Maidan and Nato expansion they sat on their hands and did the minimum. Now they have moved and they will be hard to stop. But they have no strategy: they can’t take Galicia (even Kiev) and deal with the dreamers there – they also can’t leave them alone.

    The weapons were not ready because stupidly nobody thought that they would have to be used. In retrospect Nato’s best move would had been a rapid take-over of Crimea on the night of Maidan. And Russia’s a massive attack on Ukraine around that time to separate the Russian leaning areas. Maybe we are lucky that it didn’t happen.

    The second best move for Nato-Kiev was to take the Minsk deal – available in modified form all the way till April 2022. They would be in charge of the ‘implementation’ and the West is really good at cheating…:)

    For Russia an all-out attack that could destroy large parts of Ukraine is probably now the best choice. They seem reluctant or maybe they are getting fully ready. But the caution is rather appealing in this bloody war: we have the West openly cheering killing “all Russians” (and also Palis and a few others), and there is Russia still staying awkwardly human. Who would have thought.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    For Russia an all-out attack that could destroy large parts of Ukraine is probably now the best choice. They seem reluctant or maybe they are getting fully ready. But the caution is rather appealing in this bloody war: we have the West openly cheering killing “all Russians” (and also Palis and a few others), and there is Russia still staying awkwardly human.

    So you are arguing that Russia should go ahead and focus all their attacks on civilian areas because the West wants to kill Russians. Any type of threatening talk should lead to death. I can cite no less than 5 high level Russians that have called for attacks on British and American cities. One of which is directly under Putin (Medvedev). Can you cite the same for Western politicians? By your own logic shouldn't the West provide more weapons given such talk?

    Ukrainian civilian areas contain ethnic Russians. Rarely less than 30% for the cities.

    Which means you are arguing that Russia needs to go ahead and kill Russian civilians to keep Russians from being killed, correct?

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @QCIC
    @Beckow

    I think the past two years have clarified the situation between Maidan and the SMO. A key part of the background are the dangerous power struggles in Russia from the beginning to the present. After 1990, Russia focused her military budget on nuclear deterrence since this is the most dangerous military capability. This emphasis starved the rest of her military which was also wracked by many other challenges. The Maidan pushed Russia into serious action with both the reclaiming of Crimea as well as her military entry into Syria. The Syria move makes most sense as a Russian decision to prepare for serious war by practice. The West has been strongly signaling war since 1990 with NATO expansion and other moves. Russian entry into Syria sends a message to the West that Russia is prepared to fight. The entry into Syria seems especially serious since it is directly in the middle of complex geopolitics with both Israel and Turkey, who are both dangerous and unreliable frenemies to Russia and even the USA.

    I think Russia's actions in 2014/2015 started a clock for the West. While Russia and the West had nuclear parity, the West had a major conventional military and economic advantage. They needed to push a war in Ukraine while they had the upper hand. If Russia became stronger, the risk of escalation to WW3 probably seemed greater for these NeoCon 'strategists'. However, the scheme required quick action and being forced to wait until 2021 was bad for their prospects.

    Russian conventional military capability continued to improve gradually from 2014 to 2022, but the emphasis was mostly on air assets and not ground forces. The process was paced by very low funding and I assume internal political maneuvering as well. Russia continued to improve her nuclear capability so that the West remembered what Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) is all about. It seems possible that the Trump administration strictly blocked the NeoCon plans in Ukraine from early 2017 through November 4, 2020. It is easy to imagine that Trump would not allow the USA to intentionally start a war with Russia on his watch. This meant the NeoCons had to scheme and plan and seethe for four years until January 2021. This allowed the Russian economy and ground forces to become somewhat stronger than they were in 2017 when Hillary would have approved a NATO strike on Crimea. It seems the NeoCons took most of 2021 to get their plan in order and Russia preempted it in early 2022.

    So maybe this should be Trump's epitaph: Donald Trump single-handedly avoided World War Three by winning the 2016 Presidential election and brilliantly being a NeoCon tar-baby for four years.

  296. @Mikhail
    https://www.rt.com/russia/589697-arestovich-ukraine-russia-kiev/

    Ukraine needs to come to an agreement with Russian President Vladimir Putin, and then Kiev and Moscow should unite to sue the West.

    You may think the above idea is rather radical and unusual. Sue the West? Where? In what court? The same West that has no issue with either Ukraine or the US (or both) blowing up Germany’s – and the EU’s – vital energy pipelines? Or the West that ignores its leaders' complicity in Israel’s genocide in Gaza, a crime explicitly proscribed – the complicity no less than the act itself – in Article III (e) of the 1948 UN Genocide Convention?

    But wait till you hear about the fertile mind that produced this very outside-the-box idea. It’s none other than Aleksey Arestovich, once an adviser to Ukrainian president Vladimir Zelensky. Not necessarily a household name (yet) outside Ukraine, Arestovich was, until very recently, a man of extraordinary influence in Kiev, and used it to energetically promote the very proxy war that he'd now like to end and to then blame on the West alone.

    University dropout, sleazy pop psychologist (of the how-to-manipulate-others-to-succeed type), former military and virtually certainly also intelligence officer, blogger and would-be-geopolitics guru with very adaptable views, and, of course, Zelensky aide from 2020 to 2023, Arestovich is not merely an individual but a syndrome: He stands for a social type, the smart but psychopathically empathy-less conman who managed to ruthlessly exploit the disorientation left behind in post-Soviet societies with a coldhearted cynicism that would have made Machiavelli blush.
    The knives are out in Kiev: Once Ukraine loses the war, its elites will eat each other alive

    Now he deplores that Ukrainians and Russians are killing each other in droves over a couple of provincial towns. “And for what?”, it has occurred to him to ask himself. Arestovich's answer is of the kind that not long ago would've got you canceled in the West as a Putin stooge and appeaser: “We have pleased the head honchos from the Washington and Brussels obkoms – [a now derogative term from the Soviet lexicon, designating a district administration] – who stand around us and applaud, watching as two apes with knives have a go at each other.”

    Arestovich’s 180-degree turn is yet another absurdity produced by the theatrical politics of the Kiev elite. But, embittering as it may be to hear this former warmonger extraordinaire speak about peace and who's blame, the stark contrast between the old anti-Russian jingoist Arestovich, and the new, would-be-friend of Russia and foe-of-the-West Arestovich, provides a depressingly accurate measure of just how irresponsible Ukrainian politics has become under the de facto authoritarian Zelensky regime.

    In 2019, it was Arestovich who infamously 'predicted' a big and devastating war (beyond the conflict which started in 2014) with Russia over Ukraine’s attempt to join NATO, which, eventually, in 2022, left some naïve Western commenters gushing over his “eerie” foresight.

    Except Arestovich did not really predict the big war in 2019. Instead, he sold it as good as he could. Ruling out any possibility of peacefully ending the then-ongoing, smaller-scale conflict with the Donbass republics (Minsk II, anybody?), he used the usual baseless talking points (“Putin wants to rebuild the Soviet Union, destroy NATO, and the EU, dominate Europe” and so on, the whole hogwash then fashionable from Annalena Baerbock to Tim Snyder) to present an escalation into a bigger war as absolutely inevitable: Because not only did Minsk II hardly appear on this great fantasy-strategist’s radar, he also insisted that neutrality was impossible for Ukraine and misled his followers into believing that NATO would easily (“all very simple now”) accept Ukraine, even if it had unresolved territorial conflicts with internal insurgents or with Russia.

    At the same time, Arestovich presented the future big war as Ukraine’s great chance. Having posited the false alternative – at least back then – of either joining NATO after that big war against Russia (which he recklessly assumed Ukraine would win) or being absorbed by Moscow in the near future, he wholeheartedly recommended course number one: war with Russia. Even three such wars in succession seemed to him both inevitable and advisable; back then, that is.

    And, finally, he also invited Ukrainians to indulge in the West’s favorite fantasy, namely that Russia might suffer collapse and undergo a regime change. “Some kind of liberals” would come to power, he claimed, and say “we are a nice country again.” That part of his sales pitch for a steadfast “no” to diplomacy, compromise, and peace is particularly ironic now. For he has announced an utter and complete change of heart in an interview with Russian journalist and broadcaster Yulia Latynina.
    World War III approaches – just as planned

    Latynina is, of course, the embodiment of the kind of “liberal” (or “libertarian,” as she prefers) almost no Russian can stand, for excellent reasons: Having received her 2008 “freedom award” from the US State Department, she has been a reliable purveyor of right-wing propaganda, ranging from denying global warming, via finding that poor countries need not have too much democracy, to an almost obsessive islamophobia.

    Even good old Europe is still too soft on simple people for her: All that “social-democratic” mumbo-jumbo about human rights, etc. won’t cut it for Latynina; her true European 'values' are about property, innovation, and competition. So much for those regime-change fantasies, then. It’s the Latynina type that Arestovich was wagering on. No wonder most Russians, including those critical of President Vladimir Putin, say “anybody but that.”

    Yet in their recent tête-à-tête on YouTube, the Ukrainian conman and the Russian libertarian couldn't see entirely eye to eye. Even Latynina felt that Arestovich’s idea of joining up Russia to sue the NATO states was a bit of a non-starter. Moreover, as much in awe of the West as she is, she had to remind him that it “doesn't owe Ukraine anything.” Arestovich, carried away by his newest brainwave, insisted it does.

    Both were missing the point: It does not matter what the West owes or does not owe you. The West will always only give you what is best for the West (and that usually means the US). And when that is “nothing,” then that is what you will get. If only arrogant former warmongers like Arestovich could finally start facing reality. All of it.
     

    Replies: @QCIC

    Interesting. I wonder if Arestovich is now signed up to make this a forever war? That is what I think of when peaceful coexistence is mentioned. I believe Russia is still cleaning house in Ukraine and will do so for a long time. In the long run peaceful coexistence will be the order of the day, but not until the people who enthusiastically supported this mess are out of the picture. Maybe they can all be repurposed in the USA to fight illegal immigrants. They will be loved by the liberals as long as they live in Europe, but maybe these Ukies can be loved by the MAGA conservatives upon their inevitable transfer to the USA!

    Yulia sounds interesting as some sort of agent of chaos. I think she is correct to be skeptical of global warming and third world democracy. She is also wise to be alarmed about violent Islam as long as she is also alarmed about the control of Judaism. What religion is in her background?

  297. @Matra
    @John Johnson

    Philip Owen, who was commenting here years before you showed up, is clearly against Putin. He's just not hysterical like you.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Philip Owen, who was commenting here years before you showed up, is clearly against Putin. He’s just not hysterical like you.

    I really don’t give a flying f-ck if he has 72 super duper internet poster awards. None of you are my friends or enemies. This is an anonymous forum and I don’t maintain some type of emotional history.

    He chose to preface a post with “in defense of Putin” and I called him out on it.

    His choice not mine. To me that is no different than “in defense of a child murderer”.

    Most people outside of Unz would not find my response to be hysterical. Even Tucker who for years tried to depict Putin as a Christian has admitted the guy is a pyscho. Tucker switched to the position that the US shouldn’t be involved for economic reasons. Oh and that was after he was caught lying about his support for Trump when he actually hated him. I like to mention that on occasion for the MAGA losers that still follow him.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @John Johnson

    Another hysterical post.

    Replies: @songbird, @QCIC, @John Johnson

  298. @A123
    @Mikel


    The Taliban were the enemy the US spent 20 years fighting. The US is out of Afghanistan and their enemy rules the country. The US and its allies lost that war
     
    ROTFLMAO

    -- What troop levels would be required to defeat the Taliban? 200,000+? Afghanistan is physicially huge.
    -- What was the maximum even under Obama? A little over 100,000.

    Place those two incontrovertible facts together and it is 100% obvious to absolutely everyone (except you) that the objective was not defeating the Taliban. There never was a viable concept or strategy to the bizarre purported outcome you are trying to fabricate.

    The Taliban did not "win". America did not "lose". If you want to accuse Obama of being incompetent, that would be fair. The entire Surge concept never made a lick of sense. America should have left in 2011-2012 after OBL was terminated.

    Trump successfully de-escalated the conflict despite interference by Mitch McConnell picks, notably Gen. Mattis & Gen. SJW Milley. Not-The-President Biden walked into the rapid & disorderly withdrawal trap that Trump avoided. Add that to the list of Trump 1st term successes. Or, do you prefer the Veggie-In-Chief's fiasco?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mikel

    the objective was not defeating the Taliban

    So what was the objective of those 20 years fighting the Taliban and building a very expensive and lavishly equipped army of collaborators… to fight the Taliban?

    Perhaps this sliding to neocon excuses explains why you were so dismissive of Gaetz’s rebellion against McCarthy. It’s not about the MAGA agenda at all, it’s just about the man who moved the embassy to Jerusalem.

    If a country invades another one with the objective of changing the regime but then realizes that the objective is too hard to achieve and abandons it due to lack of will, that country has lost the war it started. Period. If I enter a boxing ring with the objective of beating that tiny 5’3″ guy but then realize that that he is too fast and slippery and finally abandon the ring, who do you think has won the fight?

    I don’t know what the f-ck you guys are trying to argue. We all know that the US has vastly superior weapons, technology and intelligence than the Taliban (thank God) but all we are talking here is what the outcome of the war eventually was.

    Or, do you prefer the Veggie-In-Chief’s fiasco?

    Actually, yes. I preferred the Veggie-In-Chief’s botched withdrawal from Afghanistan to your idol’s botched attempt to fulfill any of his key campaign promises (with the exception of the embassy).

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikel



    the objective was not defeating the Taliban
     
    So what was the objective of those 20 years fighting the Taliban
     
    The objective up to ~2012 was tracking down ISIS leadership. Notably, Osama bin Laden.

    You have to ask Obama what the goal was after that point. There was never the force strength to defeat the Taliban, therefore that cannot possibly have been the objective.

    It is quite possible that there was no meaningful objective 2012+. Establishment NeoConDemocrat shills did not pop into existence during Trump's 1st Term. Obama was burdened with them too. Can anyone explain what the Surge was for?


    I don’t know what the f-ck you guys are trying to argue. We all know that the US has vastly superior weapons, technology and intelligence than the Taliban (thank God) but all we are talking here is what the outcome of the war eventually was.
     
    Those of us who are paying attention grasp that America voluntarily "left" Afghanistan. The term "lost" does not apply, because there was no defeat at the hands of the Taliban. IMHO, it would have been better if Obama had "left" in 2012.

    This may help you grasp the critical distinction. Similar logic (but not an exact parallel) applies to Ukraine. Recognizing that there is no national interest at stake, America can "walk away" and regain international prestige. Only a fool would spin that as, "America lost to Russia".
    ___

    Trump's administration rolled the establishment during his 1st term

    • Gen. Mattis got more troops, and then his orders were so limited he could not misuse them. Casualties remained low (less than 25/yr).
    • Gen. SJW Milley set up the hasty withdrawal trap intending to ensnare Trump. The deliberate withdrawal negotiations with key Taliban factions avoided the mess that the Veggie-In-Chief blundered into.

    You may find this of interest: (1)


    Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper Very Concerned Next Trump DefSec Would Be Loyal to America and Commander in Chief

     

    These guys keep providing me super timely and apropos fuel for my arguments about the structure of the next Trump administration.

    Appearing on CNN, former Defense Secretary Mark Esper outlines his greatest concern that within our constitutionally provided civilian-led military structure, a President Trump Defense Secretary might actually be loyal to the Commander in Chief.

    In his own words, Mark Esper views this possibility as a very serious problem. I’m not kidding, WATCH [start at 7:31]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG1wl2NAm4w

    Perhaps people might understand why I wrote:


    […] “Many people understandably freak out with a Def Sec with no experience in military. However, the Def Sec is designed to be civilian led military; the President is the commander in chief. The Def Sec executes military efforts to support the President. This is the problem with having career military as Def Sec, they regard the institution as more important than the instructions they receive. [See Mark Milley and/or James Mattis and/or Alexander Vindman, they go rogue.] The U.S. military needs to be managed now, brought to heel and Wokeism removed.”
     
    Mike Pompeo, Mark Esper and Mark Milley worked unilaterally, without President Trump’s authority, on at least one situation during the winter of 2019 when U.S. strikes took place.

    President Trump made Esper, Milley and Pompeo hold a press conference without Trump supporting them; then President Trump remained silent on the issue for days. 👇👇👇👇

     
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/mar-a-lago-pompeo-esper-scaled.jpg

     

    When will you accept that Trump did well in his 1st term? Yes. It was much less productive than many of us hoped, but he had to face:
        • Non-MAGA House
        • Non-MAGA Senate
        • Non-MAGA Judiciary
        • Non-MAGA "Deep State"

    Trump's 2nd term will be better with a MAGA House & Senate. Unless you are advocating that he declare himself God Emperor, you need to set realistic goals recognizing that there still will be Judicial and deep state interference.

    You will never get 100% of Absolutely Everything! Instantly! The American system does not work that way. Your persistent #NeverTrump, anti-MAGA hate raging because Trump did not deliver the impossible is highly counterproductive.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/12/30/former-defense-secretary-mark-esper-very-concerned-next-trump-defsec-would-be-loyal-to-america-and-commander-in-chief/

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    If I enter a boxing ring with the objective of beating that tiny 5’3″ guy but then realize that that he is too fast and slippery and finally abandon the ring, who do you think has won the fight?

    You're describing a fight that didn't exist. The Taliban got their asses kicked and then stopped engaging US soldiers which I backed with data.

    It's more analogous to a corporate sponsor pulling out of a fight because it's not worth the price.

  299. @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...If the NATO forces had come in with a well thought out attack using full air and ground power and Russia did as well, the tradeoffs...on both sides could be different. Russia would destroy Ukrainian infrastructure and cities immediately...it would rapidly lead to World War Three and nuclear weapons use because the losses on both sides...
     
    That point is what makes the war so weird - and interesting. Given the years of build-up since 2014 both sides should be better prepared. They should have actually thought all of it through. Instead it looks like we have two huge behemoths on auto pilots who have strategic goals but no other clear ideas. That is a very dangerous situation.

    Like Germany in WW2, US in Vietnam and Iraq, Israel with the Palis, and everybody who invaded Afghanistan (why?) - these are grand strategies divorced from reality: wars against geography and demography, they are effectively not winnable. In retrospect they always look like unnecessary tragedies initiated by very stupid people.

    Nato's goals are simple: control Black Sea and weaken Russia. Everything else is noise - Kiev revolutions, EU promises, demonising Russia, arming Ukraine. After Russia took Crimea those goals never had a snowball's chance in hell to succeed. But they kept it up.

    Russia's original goal was to keep the status quo: messy, neutral Ukraine allied with Russia and dreaming of Europe, Crimea bases, trade with Europe - muddle through as Russia always does when left alone. The last thing they want is an "empire", they can barely manage the night life in Moscow.

    When Russia was pushed by Maidan and Nato expansion they sat on their hands and did the minimum. Now they have moved and they will be hard to stop. But they have no strategy: they can't take Galicia (even Kiev) and deal with the dreamers there - they also can't leave them alone.

    The weapons were not ready because stupidly nobody thought that they would have to be used. In retrospect Nato's best move would had been a rapid take-over of Crimea on the night of Maidan. And Russia's a massive attack on Ukraine around that time to separate the Russian leaning areas. Maybe we are lucky that it didn't happen.

    The second best move for Nato-Kiev was to take the Minsk deal - available in modified form all the way till April 2022. They would be in charge of the 'implementation' and the West is really good at cheating...:)

    For Russia an all-out attack that could destroy large parts of Ukraine is probably now the best choice. They seem reluctant or maybe they are getting fully ready. But the caution is rather appealing in this bloody war: we have the West openly cheering killing "all Russians" (and also Palis and a few others), and there is Russia still staying awkwardly human. Who would have thought.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @QCIC

    For Russia an all-out attack that could destroy large parts of Ukraine is probably now the best choice. They seem reluctant or maybe they are getting fully ready. But the caution is rather appealing in this bloody war: we have the West openly cheering killing “all Russians” (and also Palis and a few others), and there is Russia still staying awkwardly human.

    So you are arguing that Russia should go ahead and focus all their attacks on civilian areas because the West wants to kill Russians. Any type of threatening talk should lead to death. I can cite no less than 5 high level Russians that have called for attacks on British and American cities. One of which is directly under Putin (Medvedev). Can you cite the same for Western politicians? By your own logic shouldn’t the West provide more weapons given such talk?

    Ukrainian civilian areas contain ethnic Russians. Rarely less than 30% for the cities.

    Which means you are arguing that Russia needs to go ahead and kill Russian civilians to keep Russians from being killed, correct?

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    No, I am simply pointing out the best available strategy. Nato and Israel have used it extensively for decades without anyone in the West getting all emotional about it. It is ugly, wars are horrible.

    The attacks are always justified as retaliation and as against military targets - the Western playbook word-for-word. You are unable to see the same as being the same based on your tribal loyalty.

    I am against wars in general, but we have one now. You demand that the enemy fights the way you want him to, with rules that you yourself don't follow. How does that work, how do you keep it straight?


    Can you cite the same for Western politicians?
     
    Yes, many. The deranged SC senator comes to mind (Graham?), in Europe Baerbock, Ursula, BoJo, the Indian guy in UK, almost all Poles and Balts (but they are not Western. Should I go on? Google it.

    By the way, how is your Raytheon stock doing? At least you have that going for you...

  300. @John Johnson
    @Matra

    Philip Owen, who was commenting here years before you showed up, is clearly against Putin. He’s just not hysterical like you.

    I really don't give a flying f-ck if he has 72 super duper internet poster awards. None of you are my friends or enemies. This is an anonymous forum and I don't maintain some type of emotional history.

    He chose to preface a post with "in defense of Putin" and I called him out on it.

    His choice not mine. To me that is no different than "in defense of a child murderer".

    Most people outside of Unz would not find my response to be hysterical. Even Tucker who for years tried to depict Putin as a Christian has admitted the guy is a pyscho. Tucker switched to the position that the US shouldn't be involved for economic reasons. Oh and that was after he was caught lying about his support for Trump when he actually hated him. I like to mention that on occasion for the MAGA losers that still follow him.

    Replies: @Matra

    Another hysterical post.

    • LOL: songbird
    • Replies: @songbird
    @Matra

    I am digging the increasing use of the word 'hysterical' on this forum.

    Serves as a good nostrum to the current promotion of such insidious figures as Wonder Woman and Enola Holmes (one of the most politically bizarre films that I have ever forced myself to sit through).

    Lastly, it reminds me of Oppenheim's novel The Great Impersonation, which though a bit anti-German did have some good themes, and which I think is probably the best doppelganger novel, followed by Double Star.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @QCIC
    @Matra

    From the Fox-era to the present, Tucker has always been a limited hangout. Anyone who doesn't recognize that...well never mind. In our highly censored world, limited hangouts are often all we have. They deliver some important and possibly useful information in exchange for systematically spreading confusion. They will not be allowed to publicly tell the truth on important controversial topics unless they simultaneously and systemically undermine their own message. This pattern is not new.

    I think there are a few sincere, good-souled truth-tellers who follow the same pattern to protect themselves by having a very limited and hardy audience willing to separate the facts from the lies. The more common limited hangouts seem to be hacks who enjoy the limelight. They may come from the side of control and only pretend to undermine it. Hopefully a few eventually have epiphanies and do the right thing for the right reason.

    People like Tucker and Alex Jones are highly untrustworthy, but they gain their perceived power by delivering a few actual facts and will continue to do that as long as possible to hang on to their 60 seconds of fame. After that phase of their career is over they probably just read the script or make stuff up to create a confusing story which keeps them popular, even though they are no longer delivering any useful facts. Probably some of their fanbase recognizes all of this but keeps hanging on for the last tidbit. It is easier to go back to a dry well than to dig a new one.

    , @John Johnson
    @Matra

    Another hysterical post.

    Another fascinating non-response from a Pole who thinks Hitler wasn't serious about getting rid of his people.

    Nothing sadder than a Slavic defender of Hitler.

    ......Well you see intelligenzaktion was actually a planned tea party and Hitler was going to give back all the kidnapped Polish children as part of a surprise.

  301. @John Johnson
    @Philip Owen

    A word in defense of Putin.

    Translation: Get ready for intellectual dishonesty as I try to defend a mass murderer.

    Three places in Ukraine seems to have been hit. Somewhere between 30-40 missiles detonated. All were in or on the fringe of industrial areas.

    You would describe an apartment building in downtown Kiev as a fringe area?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvOaoYbHZU8

    All are relatively close to the border where fast short range missiles with a light payload might have reached the target faster than Air Defense could act pr drones crept through.

    What border exactly? He attacked Kiev which is closer to Belarus.

    Maybe read about the attack before commenting on it:

    Kiev: Ukraine suffers largest Russian air attack since start of war
    https://news.yahoo.com/kiev-ukraine-suffers-largest-russian-104343712.html

    A real genius move. The remaining GOP geniuses like Marjorie that are holding back on aid will have a harder time explaining themselves. Marjorie already can barely make a coherent argument as it is and was caught falling for the yacht story:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/how-zelensky-yachts-fable-influenced-us-aid-debate/ar-AA1lOzUL

    The biggest defender of Putin in congress is a nitwit Q follower that fell for an internet rumor. Some real quality people have lined up to defend a mass murdering dwarf. Putin's US defender hasn't figured out how to use Google before running her mouth.

    Replies: @Matra, @Poupon Marx

    Putin is THE ideal leader of Russia. 85% of the Russian people polled believe this. This acheivements mirror those of Lee Kwan Yew in Singapore, a country that started its independence at less than zero, like Russia after Perestroika.

    Most of you who whole sale denigrate Putin, instead of providing historical, economic, and political context of Russia-internal and external-are deficient and lacking in information, facts and evidence. That is obviously a combination of sloth and indifference, lack of opportunity (take a break from ritual and frequent masturbation), and a low level of intellectual integrity and confidence level. The latest, REAL data from Russia:

    Russian factory activity humming – survey
    Manufacturing has surged to its highest level in seven years, according to S&P Global

    Defying sanctions and pivoting East: Here’s why the Russian economy not only survived, but grew in 2023
    GDP growth is set to outperform that of all major Western countries

    https://www.rt.com/business/589686-russian-economy-defies-sanctions/

    Russia’s forex reserves surging
    Holdings grew by $5.5 billion in just one week, official data shows

    https://www.rt.com/business/589827-russia-forex-reserves-growth/

    Russia’s gas production soars – data
    Output rose by 6.4% in November year-on-year, official statistics show

    https://www.rt.com/business/589806-russia-gas-production-growth/

    Australians who permanently moved to Moscow. Russia is the overall best country to live in (for individuals and family) in the World.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Poupon Marx

    You are talking to an entity (it’s gender does not matter) gainfully employed here. True beliefs of this entity are inconsequential. She/he/it won’t post anything that goes against the orders of her/his/its supervisor.


    Putin is THE ideal leader of Russia.
     
    Emotionally, I understand that in the face of Putin’s demonization by bought and paid for Western presstitutes one is tempted to idealize him. However, objectively he is not a genius or a saint. Putin looks so smart only on the background of current Western “leaders”, who fall into two categories: genuinely dumb (e.g., demented Biden in the US or German Baerbock) or stuffed shirts acting against the interests of their countries (e.g., Macron, Scholz). Putin looks so saintly only on the background of monsters, like Netanyahu, and their accomplices in various imperial vassals.

    Putin is.a man of normal human intelligence with normal human instincts (remember when he spontaneously picked up fallen cap of a Palestinian guard and put it back on guard’s head?). He learned a lot on the job: in his first years in power he was clearly much less prepared. He still suffers from delusions of his generation, expecting the West to be more rational and moral than it really is. The next Russian president will be a lot harsher with the empire and its obsequious lackeys.

    But objectively what he did for Russian interests favorably compares with the achievements of most Russian rulers. From Russian perspective, he rivals Peter the Great and Catherine the Great.

    At to living environment, if a person is not a sexual pervert or brain-dead libtard, life in Russia is much better than in decadent West. Social and moral values are sane, in contrast to the imperial patch today.

    The economy is also doing much better than on the imperial patch, as the stats you presented show. I can add a piece of personal experience: myself and my wife will go to Russia in February (thanks to our Alzheimer-in-Chief, via Istanbul; there were two daily flights from Istanbul to Moscow a year ago, now there are six: Erdogan is doing brisk business). We planned to take a tour to lake Baikal: Baikal ice is spectacular, and it is at its thickest and strongest in the second half of February, when you can drive even a heavy car on it. We tentatively identified a 5-day tour that charges 100,000 rubles (that’s more than $1,000) per person. However, that tour was sold out by the time we decided to book. Considering that rich scum does not go there, choosing more glamorous (for the ignorants) locations, this illustrates financial state of normal reasonably well-off people. So, we had to settle for a different tour.

    In general, due to moronic sanctions imperial lackeys imposed, internal tourism in Russia is booming. Russia has a lot of things, from subtropics to permafrost in areas North of the polar circle, from vast plains to tall mountains, from a thousand years old churches to unspoiled wilderness, and everything in between. So, only a total idiot would dream of isolating Russia. The idiots obliged.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @Poupon Marx, @Beckow

    , @John Johnson
    @Poupon Marx

    Putin is THE ideal leader of Russia. 85% of the Russian people polled believe this.

    And how can we trust such a poll when the media is censored?

    Fidel would claim that he had 99% support. Do you think that was accurate?

    I've also never seen anything that shows 85%. Let's see a source on that.

    Most of you who whole sale denigrate Putin, instead of providing historical, economic, and political context of Russia-internal and external-are deficient and lacking in information, facts and evidence.

    I've cited inflation statistics from the government of Russia.

    You are the one that tried denying the egg shortage existed because you didn't want to Google "egg shortage Russia" and spend 2 minutes reading about it. You incorrectly assumed that the rest of us spend as much time in our imagination. In the China/Russia thread someone explained the egg shortage and yet YOU STILL went on some unhinged rant instead of actually reading about it.

    Aren't you a boomer? How are you retired and unable to sift through basic information? You have the internet in front of you and yet you continually fail to use it in favor of delusion.

    Australians who permanently moved to Moscow. Russia is the overall best country to live in (for individuals and family) in the World.

    That is hilarious. Around 500k Russian men of draft age seem to disagree as they left.

    I also have videos of Russia. Here is an old lady being hauled off by Putin's thugs:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG3Z1iiynRc

    Russia is the country where they are terrified of old women holding signs. World is so impressed.

    But keep defending the dwarf dictator and his totalitarian state. I'm sure one day the world will awake and realize that a mass murdering dwarf who can't keep the price of eggs down is a genius.

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

  302. @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...If the NATO forces had come in with a well thought out attack using full air and ground power and Russia did as well, the tradeoffs...on both sides could be different. Russia would destroy Ukrainian infrastructure and cities immediately...it would rapidly lead to World War Three and nuclear weapons use because the losses on both sides...
     
    That point is what makes the war so weird - and interesting. Given the years of build-up since 2014 both sides should be better prepared. They should have actually thought all of it through. Instead it looks like we have two huge behemoths on auto pilots who have strategic goals but no other clear ideas. That is a very dangerous situation.

    Like Germany in WW2, US in Vietnam and Iraq, Israel with the Palis, and everybody who invaded Afghanistan (why?) - these are grand strategies divorced from reality: wars against geography and demography, they are effectively not winnable. In retrospect they always look like unnecessary tragedies initiated by very stupid people.

    Nato's goals are simple: control Black Sea and weaken Russia. Everything else is noise - Kiev revolutions, EU promises, demonising Russia, arming Ukraine. After Russia took Crimea those goals never had a snowball's chance in hell to succeed. But they kept it up.

    Russia's original goal was to keep the status quo: messy, neutral Ukraine allied with Russia and dreaming of Europe, Crimea bases, trade with Europe - muddle through as Russia always does when left alone. The last thing they want is an "empire", they can barely manage the night life in Moscow.

    When Russia was pushed by Maidan and Nato expansion they sat on their hands and did the minimum. Now they have moved and they will be hard to stop. But they have no strategy: they can't take Galicia (even Kiev) and deal with the dreamers there - they also can't leave them alone.

    The weapons were not ready because stupidly nobody thought that they would have to be used. In retrospect Nato's best move would had been a rapid take-over of Crimea on the night of Maidan. And Russia's a massive attack on Ukraine around that time to separate the Russian leaning areas. Maybe we are lucky that it didn't happen.

    The second best move for Nato-Kiev was to take the Minsk deal - available in modified form all the way till April 2022. They would be in charge of the 'implementation' and the West is really good at cheating...:)

    For Russia an all-out attack that could destroy large parts of Ukraine is probably now the best choice. They seem reluctant or maybe they are getting fully ready. But the caution is rather appealing in this bloody war: we have the West openly cheering killing "all Russians" (and also Palis and a few others), and there is Russia still staying awkwardly human. Who would have thought.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @QCIC

    I think the past two years have clarified the situation between Maidan and the SMO. A key part of the background are the dangerous power struggles in Russia from the beginning to the present. After 1990, Russia focused her military budget on nuclear deterrence since this is the most dangerous military capability. This emphasis starved the rest of her military which was also wracked by many other challenges. The Maidan pushed Russia into serious action with both the reclaiming of Crimea as well as her military entry into Syria. The Syria move makes most sense as a Russian decision to prepare for serious war by practice. The West has been strongly signaling war since 1990 with NATO expansion and other moves. Russian entry into Syria sends a message to the West that Russia is prepared to fight. The entry into Syria seems especially serious since it is directly in the middle of complex geopolitics with both Israel and Turkey, who are both dangerous and unreliable frenemies to Russia and even the USA.

    I think Russia’s actions in 2014/2015 started a clock for the West. While Russia and the West had nuclear parity, the West had a major conventional military and economic advantage. They needed to push a war in Ukraine while they had the upper hand. If Russia became stronger, the risk of escalation to WW3 probably seemed greater for these NeoCon ‘strategists’. However, the scheme required quick action and being forced to wait until 2021 was bad for their prospects.

    Russian conventional military capability continued to improve gradually from 2014 to 2022, but the emphasis was mostly on air assets and not ground forces. The process was paced by very low funding and I assume internal political maneuvering as well. Russia continued to improve her nuclear capability so that the West remembered what Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) is all about. It seems possible that the Trump administration strictly blocked the NeoCon plans in Ukraine from early 2017 through November 4, 2020. It is easy to imagine that Trump would not allow the USA to intentionally start a war with Russia on his watch. This meant the NeoCons had to scheme and plan and seethe for four years until January 2021. This allowed the Russian economy and ground forces to become somewhat stronger than they were in 2017 when Hillary would have approved a NATO strike on Crimea. It seems the NeoCons took most of 2021 to get their plan in order and Russia preempted it in early 2022.

    So maybe this should be Trump’s epitaph: Donald Trump single-handedly avoided World War Three by winning the 2016 Presidential election and brilliantly being a NeoCon tar-baby for four years.

    • Agree: Beckow
  303. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    For Russia an all-out attack that could destroy large parts of Ukraine is probably now the best choice. They seem reluctant or maybe they are getting fully ready. But the caution is rather appealing in this bloody war: we have the West openly cheering killing “all Russians” (and also Palis and a few others), and there is Russia still staying awkwardly human.

    So you are arguing that Russia should go ahead and focus all their attacks on civilian areas because the West wants to kill Russians. Any type of threatening talk should lead to death. I can cite no less than 5 high level Russians that have called for attacks on British and American cities. One of which is directly under Putin (Medvedev). Can you cite the same for Western politicians? By your own logic shouldn't the West provide more weapons given such talk?

    Ukrainian civilian areas contain ethnic Russians. Rarely less than 30% for the cities.

    Which means you are arguing that Russia needs to go ahead and kill Russian civilians to keep Russians from being killed, correct?

    Replies: @Beckow

    No, I am simply pointing out the best available strategy. Nato and Israel have used it extensively for decades without anyone in the West getting all emotional about it. It is ugly, wars are horrible.

    The attacks are always justified as retaliation and as against military targets – the Western playbook word-for-word. You are unable to see the same as being the same based on your tribal loyalty.

    I am against wars in general, but we have one now. You demand that the enemy fights the way you want him to, with rules that you yourself don’t follow. How does that work, how do you keep it straight?

    Can you cite the same for Western politicians?

    Yes, many. The deranged SC senator comes to mind (Graham?), in Europe Baerbock, Ursula, BoJo, the Indian guy in UK, almost all Poles and Balts (but they are not Western. Should I go on? Google it.

    By the way, how is your Raytheon stock doing? At least you have that going for you…

  304. @Mikel
    @A123


    the objective was not defeating the Taliban
     
    So what was the objective of those 20 years fighting the Taliban and building a very expensive and lavishly equipped army of collaborators... to fight the Taliban?

    Perhaps this sliding to neocon excuses explains why you were so dismissive of Gaetz's rebellion against McCarthy. It's not about the MAGA agenda at all, it's just about the man who moved the embassy to Jerusalem.

    If a country invades another one with the objective of changing the regime but then realizes that the objective is too hard to achieve and abandons it due to lack of will, that country has lost the war it started. Period. If I enter a boxing ring with the objective of beating that tiny 5'3" guy but then realize that that he is too fast and slippery and finally abandon the ring, who do you think has won the fight?

    I don't know what the f-ck you guys are trying to argue. We all know that the US has vastly superior weapons, technology and intelligence than the Taliban (thank God) but all we are talking here is what the outcome of the war eventually was.

    Or, do you prefer the Veggie-In-Chief’s fiasco?
     
    Actually, yes. I preferred the Veggie-In-Chief's botched withdrawal from Afghanistan to your idol's botched attempt to fulfill any of his key campaign promises (with the exception of the embassy).

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

    the objective was not defeating the Taliban

    So what was the objective of those 20 years fighting the Taliban

    The objective up to ~2012 was tracking down ISIS leadership. Notably, Osama bin Laden.

    You have to ask Obama what the goal was after that point. There was never the force strength to defeat the Taliban, therefore that cannot possibly have been the objective.

    It is quite possible that there was no meaningful objective 2012+. Establishment NeoConDemocrat shills did not pop into existence during Trump’s 1st Term. Obama was burdened with them too. Can anyone explain what the Surge was for?

    I don’t know what the f-ck you guys are trying to argue. We all know that the US has vastly superior weapons, technology and intelligence than the Taliban (thank God) but all we are talking here is what the outcome of the war eventually was.

    Those of us who are paying attention grasp that America voluntarily “left” Afghanistan. The term “lost” does not apply, because there was no defeat at the hands of the Taliban. IMHO, it would have been better if Obama had “left” in 2012.

    This may help you grasp the critical distinction. Similar logic (but not an exact parallel) applies to Ukraine. Recognizing that there is no national interest at stake, America can “walk away” and regain international prestige. Only a fool would spin that as, “America lost to Russia”.
    ___

    Trump’s administration rolled the establishment during his 1st term

    • Gen. Mattis got more troops, and then his orders were so limited he could not misuse them. Casualties remained low (less than 25/yr).
    • Gen. SJW Milley set up the hasty withdrawal trap intending to ensnare Trump. The deliberate withdrawal negotiations with key Taliban factions avoided the mess that the Veggie-In-Chief blundered into.

    You may find this of interest: (1)

    Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper Very Concerned Next Trump DefSec Would Be Loyal to America and Commander in Chief

    These guys keep providing me super timely and apropos fuel for my arguments about the structure of the next Trump administration.

    Appearing on CNN, former Defense Secretary Mark Esper outlines his greatest concern that within our constitutionally provided civilian-led military structure, a President Trump Defense Secretary might actually be loyal to the Commander in Chief.

    In his own words, Mark Esper views this possibility as a very serious problem. I’m not kidding, WATCH [start at 7:31]

    Perhaps people might understand why I wrote:

    […] “Many people understandably freak out with a Def Sec with no experience in military. However, the Def Sec is designed to be civilian led military; the President is the commander in chief. The Def Sec executes military efforts to support the President. This is the problem with having career military as Def Sec, they regard the institution as more important than the instructions they receive. [See Mark Milley and/or James Mattis and/or Alexander Vindman, they go rogue.] The U.S. military needs to be managed now, brought to heel and Wokeism removed.”

    Mike Pompeo, Mark Esper and Mark Milley worked unilaterally, without President Trump’s authority, on at least one situation during the winter of 2019 when U.S. strikes took place.

    President Trump made Esper, Milley and Pompeo hold a press conference without Trump supporting them; then President Trump remained silent on the issue for days. 👇👇👇👇

     

    When will you accept that Trump did well in his 1st term? Yes. It was much less productive than many of us hoped, but he had to face:
        • Non-MAGA House
        • Non-MAGA Senate
        • Non-MAGA Judiciary
        • Non-MAGA “Deep State”

    Trump’s 2nd term will be better with a MAGA House & Senate. Unless you are advocating that he declare himself God Emperor, you need to set realistic goals recognizing that there still will be Judicial and deep state interference.

    You will never get 100% of Absolutely Everything! Instantly! The American system does not work that way. Your persistent #NeverTrump, anti-MAGA hate raging because Trump did not deliver the impossible is highly counterproductive.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/12/30/former-defense-secretary-mark-esper-very-concerned-next-trump-defsec-would-be-loyal-to-america-and-commander-in-chief/

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @A123

    Osama bin Laden was al-Qaeda, not ISIS. IIRC, the ISIS guys were so radical that even al-Qaeda expelled them.

  305. @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Have you ever worked on a ship?

     

    Not unless you count paddling a canoe.

    Taking a cruise for a vacation is madness
     
    I suspect that the Love Boat never had an episode about norovirus.

    They did have an episode with gays though and one that softpetalled trannies.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_1980s_American_television_episodes_with_LGBT_themes

    Replies: @QCIC

    After LOL at “softpetalled” which I think is usually “soft pedaled”, I foolishly made a google image search for “tranny in a tutu” to give a visual reply. I will spare you all the results. Repeat at your own risk!

  306. @A123
    @Mikel



    the objective was not defeating the Taliban
     
    So what was the objective of those 20 years fighting the Taliban
     
    The objective up to ~2012 was tracking down ISIS leadership. Notably, Osama bin Laden.

    You have to ask Obama what the goal was after that point. There was never the force strength to defeat the Taliban, therefore that cannot possibly have been the objective.

    It is quite possible that there was no meaningful objective 2012+. Establishment NeoConDemocrat shills did not pop into existence during Trump's 1st Term. Obama was burdened with them too. Can anyone explain what the Surge was for?


    I don’t know what the f-ck you guys are trying to argue. We all know that the US has vastly superior weapons, technology and intelligence than the Taliban (thank God) but all we are talking here is what the outcome of the war eventually was.
     
    Those of us who are paying attention grasp that America voluntarily "left" Afghanistan. The term "lost" does not apply, because there was no defeat at the hands of the Taliban. IMHO, it would have been better if Obama had "left" in 2012.

    This may help you grasp the critical distinction. Similar logic (but not an exact parallel) applies to Ukraine. Recognizing that there is no national interest at stake, America can "walk away" and regain international prestige. Only a fool would spin that as, "America lost to Russia".
    ___

    Trump's administration rolled the establishment during his 1st term

    • Gen. Mattis got more troops, and then his orders were so limited he could not misuse them. Casualties remained low (less than 25/yr).
    • Gen. SJW Milley set up the hasty withdrawal trap intending to ensnare Trump. The deliberate withdrawal negotiations with key Taliban factions avoided the mess that the Veggie-In-Chief blundered into.

    You may find this of interest: (1)


    Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper Very Concerned Next Trump DefSec Would Be Loyal to America and Commander in Chief

     

    These guys keep providing me super timely and apropos fuel for my arguments about the structure of the next Trump administration.

    Appearing on CNN, former Defense Secretary Mark Esper outlines his greatest concern that within our constitutionally provided civilian-led military structure, a President Trump Defense Secretary might actually be loyal to the Commander in Chief.

    In his own words, Mark Esper views this possibility as a very serious problem. I’m not kidding, WATCH [start at 7:31]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG1wl2NAm4w

    Perhaps people might understand why I wrote:


    […] “Many people understandably freak out with a Def Sec with no experience in military. However, the Def Sec is designed to be civilian led military; the President is the commander in chief. The Def Sec executes military efforts to support the President. This is the problem with having career military as Def Sec, they regard the institution as more important than the instructions they receive. [See Mark Milley and/or James Mattis and/or Alexander Vindman, they go rogue.] The U.S. military needs to be managed now, brought to heel and Wokeism removed.”
     
    Mike Pompeo, Mark Esper and Mark Milley worked unilaterally, without President Trump’s authority, on at least one situation during the winter of 2019 when U.S. strikes took place.

    President Trump made Esper, Milley and Pompeo hold a press conference without Trump supporting them; then President Trump remained silent on the issue for days. 👇👇👇👇

     
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/mar-a-lago-pompeo-esper-scaled.jpg

     

    When will you accept that Trump did well in his 1st term? Yes. It was much less productive than many of us hoped, but he had to face:
        • Non-MAGA House
        • Non-MAGA Senate
        • Non-MAGA Judiciary
        • Non-MAGA "Deep State"

    Trump's 2nd term will be better with a MAGA House & Senate. Unless you are advocating that he declare himself God Emperor, you need to set realistic goals recognizing that there still will be Judicial and deep state interference.

    You will never get 100% of Absolutely Everything! Instantly! The American system does not work that way. Your persistent #NeverTrump, anti-MAGA hate raging because Trump did not deliver the impossible is highly counterproductive.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/12/30/former-defense-secretary-mark-esper-very-concerned-next-trump-defsec-would-be-loyal-to-america-and-commander-in-chief/

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Osama bin Laden was al-Qaeda, not ISIS. IIRC, the ISIS guys were so radical that even al-Qaeda expelled them.

    • Thanks: A123
  307. @Matra
    @John Johnson

    Another hysterical post.

    Replies: @songbird, @QCIC, @John Johnson

    I am digging the increasing use of the word ‘hysterical’ on this forum.

    Serves as a good nostrum to the current promotion of such insidious figures as Wonder Woman and Enola Holmes (one of the most politically bizarre films that I have ever forced myself to sit through).

    Lastly, it reminds me of Oppenheim’s novel The Great Impersonation, which though a bit anti-German did have some good themes, and which I think is probably the best doppelganger novel, followed by Double Star.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    When Freud and Jung were trained hysteria was an epidemic amongst upper class women. Ever told your girlfriend to quit acting hysterical? This is also called going nuclear.

  308. @Poupon Marx
    @John Johnson

    Putin is THE ideal leader of Russia. 85% of the Russian people polled believe this. This acheivements mirror those of Lee Kwan Yew in Singapore, a country that started its independence at less than zero, like Russia after Perestroika.

    Most of you who whole sale denigrate Putin, instead of providing historical, economic, and political context of Russia-internal and external-are deficient and lacking in information, facts and evidence. That is obviously a combination of sloth and indifference, lack of opportunity (take a break from ritual and frequent masturbation), and a low level of intellectual integrity and confidence level. The latest, REAL data from Russia:

    Russian factory activity humming – survey
    Manufacturing has surged to its highest level in seven years, according to S&P Global

    Defying sanctions and pivoting East: Here’s why the Russian economy not only survived, but grew in 2023
    GDP growth is set to outperform that of all major Western countries

    https://www.rt.com/business/589686-russian-economy-defies-sanctions/

    Russia’s forex reserves surging
    Holdings grew by $5.5 billion in just one week, official data shows

    https://www.rt.com/business/589827-russia-forex-reserves-growth/

    Russia’s gas production soars – data
    Output rose by 6.4% in November year-on-year, official statistics show

    https://www.rt.com/business/589806-russia-gas-production-growth/

    Australians who permanently moved to Moscow. Russia is the overall best country to live in (for individuals and family) in the World.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3C7LDNACJs

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @John Johnson

    You are talking to an entity (it’s gender does not matter) gainfully employed here. True beliefs of this entity are inconsequential. She/he/it won’t post anything that goes against the orders of her/his/its supervisor.

    Putin is THE ideal leader of Russia.

    Emotionally, I understand that in the face of Putin’s demonization by bought and paid for Western presstitutes one is tempted to idealize him. However, objectively he is not a genius or a saint. Putin looks so smart only on the background of current Western “leaders”, who fall into two categories: genuinely dumb (e.g., demented Biden in the US or German Baerbock) or stuffed shirts acting against the interests of their countries (e.g., Macron, Scholz). Putin looks so saintly only on the background of monsters, like Netanyahu, and their accomplices in various imperial vassals.

    Putin is.a man of normal human intelligence with normal human instincts (remember when he spontaneously picked up fallen cap of a Palestinian guard and put it back on guard’s head?). He learned a lot on the job: in his first years in power he was clearly much less prepared. He still suffers from delusions of his generation, expecting the West to be more rational and moral than it really is. The next Russian president will be a lot harsher with the empire and its obsequious lackeys.

    But objectively what he did for Russian interests favorably compares with the achievements of most Russian rulers. From Russian perspective, he rivals Peter the Great and Catherine the Great.

    At to living environment, if a person is not a sexual pervert or brain-dead libtard, life in Russia is much better than in decadent West. Social and moral values are sane, in contrast to the imperial patch today.

    The economy is also doing much better than on the imperial patch, as the stats you presented show. I can add a piece of personal experience: myself and my wife will go to Russia in February (thanks to our Alzheimer-in-Chief, via Istanbul; there were two daily flights from Istanbul to Moscow a year ago, now there are six: Erdogan is doing brisk business). We planned to take a tour to lake Baikal: Baikal ice is spectacular, and it is at its thickest and strongest in the second half of February, when you can drive even a heavy car on it. We tentatively identified a 5-day tour that charges 100,000 rubles (that’s more than $1,000) per person. However, that tour was sold out by the time we decided to book. Considering that rich scum does not go there, choosing more glamorous (for the ignorants) locations, this illustrates financial state of normal reasonably well-off people. So, we had to settle for a different tour.

    In general, due to moronic sanctions imperial lackeys imposed, internal tourism in Russia is booming. Russia has a lot of things, from subtropics to permafrost in areas North of the polar circle, from vast plains to tall mountains, from a thousand years old churches to unspoiled wilderness, and everything in between. So, only a total idiot would dream of isolating Russia. The idiots obliged.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    What kind of a fur coat do you need to tour Lake Baikal in the winter?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=065ntZYnYZ0&ab_channel=JREDailyClips

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    Is Russian subtropics a reference to Sochi?

    , @Poupon Marx
    @AnonfromTN


    Emotionally, I understand that in the face of Putin’s demonization by bought and paid for Western presstitutes one is tempted to idealize him. However, objectively he is not a genius or a saint. Putin looks so smart only on the background of current Western “leaders”, who fall into two categories: genuinely dumb (e.g., demented Biden in the US or German Baerbock) or stuffed shirts acting against the interests of their countries (e.g., Macron, Scholz). Putin looks so saintly only on the background of monsters, like Netanyahu, and their accomplices in various imperial vassals.

    Putin is.a man of normal human intelligence with normal human instincts (remember when he spontaneously picked up fallen cap of a Palestinian guard and put it back on guard’s head?). He learned a lot on the job: in his first years in power he was clearly much less prepared. He still suffers from delusions of his generation, expecting the West to be more rational and moral than it really is. The next Russian president will be a lot harsher with the empire and its obsequious lackeys.
     
    Most of which you write is objective and grounded about Putin, but a minor part is jive and subjective, that more than hints at personal bias and envy.

    >However, objectively he is not a genius or a saint. Putin looks so smart only on the background of current Western “leaders”, who fall into two categories: genuinely dumb (e.g., demented Biden in the US or German Baerbock) or stuffed shirts acting against the interests of their countries (e.g., Macron, Scholz). Putin looks so saintly only on the background of monsters, like Netanyahu, and their accomplices in various imperial vassals.

    This, if ones bothers to immerse oneself into the details of post CCCP and the creation of Russia, the ongoing multi-faceted layers and vectors of World Wide changes and lurches, Russia comes out of these smelling like a rose, net gain, stronger than ever. An example is the visit of Putin to a maximal reception of the conquering hero in UAE and Saudi Arabia.

    This was much more than a meet and greet. Many new deals and agreements were signed, investments in both directions, with UAE and Saudi Arabia intending to invest billions in Russia over the course of the coming years.

    Then he flew home to host the the President of Iran. And again, new deals across the board in all areas. The relationship runs now on rocket fuel in all areas. Russia will guarantee Iran's integrity and defense.

    Putin is.a man of normal human intelligence with normal human instincts (remember when he spontaneously picked up fallen cap of a Palestinian guard and put it back on guard’s head?). He learned a lot on the job: in his first years in power he was clearly much less prepared. He still suffers from delusions of his generation, expecting the West to be more rational and moral than it really is.

     

    Not the consensus of the most knowledgeable and senior observers and former high office holders. Your opinion seems to come from a compensating personality deficit (low self esteem, weak personality), and again the often and offending phenomenon of limited information, superficial knowledge, rancid Western sources of jerknullism.

    Sorry to put it too you in stark, vivid terms, but perhaps this will encourage you to raise your level and threshold of initiation of which you think you know more of than you actually do. I could go on and on. That's because I spend considerable effort and time to expose and reveal evidence and facts, as my threshold of certainty-or what is called the "Confidence interval" in empirical and scientific literature is met. This is an product and result of the required discipline and certitude of my over 30 years as an operator, manager, planner, and supervisor of large and complex marine power plants, upon oceans, and of various designs and configurations, in remote locations (middle of the ocean).

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...only a total idiot would dream of isolating Russia. The idiots obliged.
     
    They isolated it because they couldn't have it. They always do that and then try to walk it back. But it could take years, even decades.

    I agree that Putin is basically just an ordinary, normal guy. Even his self-discipline seems a later in life development. He matters, but not that much - he embodies what majority of Russians want. That is what every democracy should be.

    The way these things work is that the coming generation will be a lot more assertive - whoever comes after Putin will be less accommodating, possibly even dangerous. West should be really proud for raising a new hostile generation in Russia, as if they were too stupid - or too greedy - to see what they are doing. (And the Poles, for god's sake, are they planning to move somewhere?)

    By the way, Scholz should go into the genuinely dumb category. He is also a stuffed shirt, but that is in his case secondary. But the dumbest Western leader today is by far the hapless Canadian narcissist Justin Trudeau...he is in a category of his own....:)

    Replies: @German_reader, @QCIC

  309. @songbird
    @Matra

    I am digging the increasing use of the word 'hysterical' on this forum.

    Serves as a good nostrum to the current promotion of such insidious figures as Wonder Woman and Enola Holmes (one of the most politically bizarre films that I have ever forced myself to sit through).

    Lastly, it reminds me of Oppenheim's novel The Great Impersonation, which though a bit anti-German did have some good themes, and which I think is probably the best doppelganger novel, followed by Double Star.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    When Freud and Jung were trained hysteria was an epidemic amongst upper class women. Ever told your girlfriend to quit acting hysterical? This is also called going nuclear.

  310. @AnonfromTN
    @Poupon Marx

    You are talking to an entity (it’s gender does not matter) gainfully employed here. True beliefs of this entity are inconsequential. She/he/it won’t post anything that goes against the orders of her/his/its supervisor.


    Putin is THE ideal leader of Russia.
     
    Emotionally, I understand that in the face of Putin’s demonization by bought and paid for Western presstitutes one is tempted to idealize him. However, objectively he is not a genius or a saint. Putin looks so smart only on the background of current Western “leaders”, who fall into two categories: genuinely dumb (e.g., demented Biden in the US or German Baerbock) or stuffed shirts acting against the interests of their countries (e.g., Macron, Scholz). Putin looks so saintly only on the background of monsters, like Netanyahu, and their accomplices in various imperial vassals.

    Putin is.a man of normal human intelligence with normal human instincts (remember when he spontaneously picked up fallen cap of a Palestinian guard and put it back on guard’s head?). He learned a lot on the job: in his first years in power he was clearly much less prepared. He still suffers from delusions of his generation, expecting the West to be more rational and moral than it really is. The next Russian president will be a lot harsher with the empire and its obsequious lackeys.

    But objectively what he did for Russian interests favorably compares with the achievements of most Russian rulers. From Russian perspective, he rivals Peter the Great and Catherine the Great.

    At to living environment, if a person is not a sexual pervert or brain-dead libtard, life in Russia is much better than in decadent West. Social and moral values are sane, in contrast to the imperial patch today.

    The economy is also doing much better than on the imperial patch, as the stats you presented show. I can add a piece of personal experience: myself and my wife will go to Russia in February (thanks to our Alzheimer-in-Chief, via Istanbul; there were two daily flights from Istanbul to Moscow a year ago, now there are six: Erdogan is doing brisk business). We planned to take a tour to lake Baikal: Baikal ice is spectacular, and it is at its thickest and strongest in the second half of February, when you can drive even a heavy car on it. We tentatively identified a 5-day tour that charges 100,000 rubles (that’s more than $1,000) per person. However, that tour was sold out by the time we decided to book. Considering that rich scum does not go there, choosing more glamorous (for the ignorants) locations, this illustrates financial state of normal reasonably well-off people. So, we had to settle for a different tour.

    In general, due to moronic sanctions imperial lackeys imposed, internal tourism in Russia is booming. Russia has a lot of things, from subtropics to permafrost in areas North of the polar circle, from vast plains to tall mountains, from a thousand years old churches to unspoiled wilderness, and everything in between. So, only a total idiot would dream of isolating Russia. The idiots obliged.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @Poupon Marx, @Beckow

    What kind of a fur coat do you need to tour Lake Baikal in the winter?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    What kind of a fur coat do you need to tour Lake Baikal in the winter?
     
    In fact, Baikal is almost at the very South of Siberia. It is not super-cold there. In February the temperature rarely goes below -15 centigrade (that’s above zero Fahrenheit). So, you need warm clothes, but not what you’d need North of the polar circle in Murmansk, where people go on tours in winter to see the Northern lights (aurora borealis). The main thing is, you need warm shoes, preferably on a platform and big enough to fit your feet in thick warm woolen socks.
  311. @Matra
    @John Johnson

    Another hysterical post.

    Replies: @songbird, @QCIC, @John Johnson

    From the Fox-era to the present, Tucker has always been a limited hangout. Anyone who doesn’t recognize that…well never mind. In our highly censored world, limited hangouts are often all we have. They deliver some important and possibly useful information in exchange for systematically spreading confusion. They will not be allowed to publicly tell the truth on important controversial topics unless they simultaneously and systemically undermine their own message. This pattern is not new.

    I think there are a few sincere, good-souled truth-tellers who follow the same pattern to protect themselves by having a very limited and hardy audience willing to separate the facts from the lies. The more common limited hangouts seem to be hacks who enjoy the limelight. They may come from the side of control and only pretend to undermine it. Hopefully a few eventually have epiphanies and do the right thing for the right reason.

    People like Tucker and Alex Jones are highly untrustworthy, but they gain their perceived power by delivering a few actual facts and will continue to do that as long as possible to hang on to their 60 seconds of fame. After that phase of their career is over they probably just read the script or make stuff up to create a confusing story which keeps them popular, even though they are no longer delivering any useful facts. Probably some of their fanbase recognizes all of this but keeps hanging on for the last tidbit. It is easier to go back to a dry well than to dig a new one.

  312. Anatoly Karlin makes a mistake here:

    My modest conclusion was that if Russia was to have a happier and less catastrophic 21st century, perhaps it should look out for the interests of its own people for a change. And more specifically, the interests of the ethnicity that happens to make up 85% of its population in particular for a change (much as Israel is a “Jewish state” that unapologetically privileges the interests of a certain ethnoreligious group that makes up 75% of its population, or indeed how many East European states and even Russian constituent republics define themselves as the “national states” of their titular nationalities).

    If it’s fair game to count Ukrainians and Belarusians as a part of the Russian majority in Russia, then why shouldn’t it also be fair game to count the people who are of Jewish descent but not halakhically Jewish as a part of the Jewish majority in Israel? This would make Israel 80% Jewish (or 80% extended Jewish) rather than “only” 75% Jewish.

  313. @Mikel
    @A123


    the objective was not defeating the Taliban
     
    So what was the objective of those 20 years fighting the Taliban and building a very expensive and lavishly equipped army of collaborators... to fight the Taliban?

    Perhaps this sliding to neocon excuses explains why you were so dismissive of Gaetz's rebellion against McCarthy. It's not about the MAGA agenda at all, it's just about the man who moved the embassy to Jerusalem.

    If a country invades another one with the objective of changing the regime but then realizes that the objective is too hard to achieve and abandons it due to lack of will, that country has lost the war it started. Period. If I enter a boxing ring with the objective of beating that tiny 5'3" guy but then realize that that he is too fast and slippery and finally abandon the ring, who do you think has won the fight?

    I don't know what the f-ck you guys are trying to argue. We all know that the US has vastly superior weapons, technology and intelligence than the Taliban (thank God) but all we are talking here is what the outcome of the war eventually was.

    Or, do you prefer the Veggie-In-Chief’s fiasco?
     
    Actually, yes. I preferred the Veggie-In-Chief's botched withdrawal from Afghanistan to your idol's botched attempt to fulfill any of his key campaign promises (with the exception of the embassy).

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

    If I enter a boxing ring with the objective of beating that tiny 5’3″ guy but then realize that that he is too fast and slippery and finally abandon the ring, who do you think has won the fight?

    You’re describing a fight that didn’t exist. The Taliban got their asses kicked and then stopped engaging US soldiers which I backed with data.

    It’s more analogous to a corporate sponsor pulling out of a fight because it’s not worth the price.

    • Agree: A123
  314. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    What kind of a fur coat do you need to tour Lake Baikal in the winter?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=065ntZYnYZ0&ab_channel=JREDailyClips

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    What kind of a fur coat do you need to tour Lake Baikal in the winter?

    In fact, Baikal is almost at the very South of Siberia. It is not super-cold there. In February the temperature rarely goes below -15 centigrade (that’s above zero Fahrenheit). So, you need warm clothes, but not what you’d need North of the polar circle in Murmansk, where people go on tours in winter to see the Northern lights (aurora borealis). The main thing is, you need warm shoes, preferably on a platform and big enough to fit your feet in thick warm woolen socks.

  315. @Matra
    @John Johnson

    Another hysterical post.

    Replies: @songbird, @QCIC, @John Johnson

    Another hysterical post.

    Another fascinating non-response from a Pole who thinks Hitler wasn’t serious about getting rid of his people.

    Nothing sadder than a Slavic defender of Hitler.

    ……Well you see intelligenzaktion was actually a planned tea party and Hitler was going to give back all the kidnapped Polish children as part of a surprise.

    • LOL: German_reader
  316. @AnonfromTN
    @Poupon Marx

    You are talking to an entity (it’s gender does not matter) gainfully employed here. True beliefs of this entity are inconsequential. She/he/it won’t post anything that goes against the orders of her/his/its supervisor.


    Putin is THE ideal leader of Russia.
     
    Emotionally, I understand that in the face of Putin’s demonization by bought and paid for Western presstitutes one is tempted to idealize him. However, objectively he is not a genius or a saint. Putin looks so smart only on the background of current Western “leaders”, who fall into two categories: genuinely dumb (e.g., demented Biden in the US or German Baerbock) or stuffed shirts acting against the interests of their countries (e.g., Macron, Scholz). Putin looks so saintly only on the background of monsters, like Netanyahu, and their accomplices in various imperial vassals.

    Putin is.a man of normal human intelligence with normal human instincts (remember when he spontaneously picked up fallen cap of a Palestinian guard and put it back on guard’s head?). He learned a lot on the job: in his first years in power he was clearly much less prepared. He still suffers from delusions of his generation, expecting the West to be more rational and moral than it really is. The next Russian president will be a lot harsher with the empire and its obsequious lackeys.

    But objectively what he did for Russian interests favorably compares with the achievements of most Russian rulers. From Russian perspective, he rivals Peter the Great and Catherine the Great.

    At to living environment, if a person is not a sexual pervert or brain-dead libtard, life in Russia is much better than in decadent West. Social and moral values are sane, in contrast to the imperial patch today.

    The economy is also doing much better than on the imperial patch, as the stats you presented show. I can add a piece of personal experience: myself and my wife will go to Russia in February (thanks to our Alzheimer-in-Chief, via Istanbul; there were two daily flights from Istanbul to Moscow a year ago, now there are six: Erdogan is doing brisk business). We planned to take a tour to lake Baikal: Baikal ice is spectacular, and it is at its thickest and strongest in the second half of February, when you can drive even a heavy car on it. We tentatively identified a 5-day tour that charges 100,000 rubles (that’s more than $1,000) per person. However, that tour was sold out by the time we decided to book. Considering that rich scum does not go there, choosing more glamorous (for the ignorants) locations, this illustrates financial state of normal reasonably well-off people. So, we had to settle for a different tour.

    In general, due to moronic sanctions imperial lackeys imposed, internal tourism in Russia is booming. Russia has a lot of things, from subtropics to permafrost in areas North of the polar circle, from vast plains to tall mountains, from a thousand years old churches to unspoiled wilderness, and everything in between. So, only a total idiot would dream of isolating Russia. The idiots obliged.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @Poupon Marx, @Beckow

    Is Russian subtropics a reference to Sochi?

  317. @AnonfromTN
    @Poupon Marx

    You are talking to an entity (it’s gender does not matter) gainfully employed here. True beliefs of this entity are inconsequential. She/he/it won’t post anything that goes against the orders of her/his/its supervisor.


    Putin is THE ideal leader of Russia.
     
    Emotionally, I understand that in the face of Putin’s demonization by bought and paid for Western presstitutes one is tempted to idealize him. However, objectively he is not a genius or a saint. Putin looks so smart only on the background of current Western “leaders”, who fall into two categories: genuinely dumb (e.g., demented Biden in the US or German Baerbock) or stuffed shirts acting against the interests of their countries (e.g., Macron, Scholz). Putin looks so saintly only on the background of monsters, like Netanyahu, and their accomplices in various imperial vassals.

    Putin is.a man of normal human intelligence with normal human instincts (remember when he spontaneously picked up fallen cap of a Palestinian guard and put it back on guard’s head?). He learned a lot on the job: in his first years in power he was clearly much less prepared. He still suffers from delusions of his generation, expecting the West to be more rational and moral than it really is. The next Russian president will be a lot harsher with the empire and its obsequious lackeys.

    But objectively what he did for Russian interests favorably compares with the achievements of most Russian rulers. From Russian perspective, he rivals Peter the Great and Catherine the Great.

    At to living environment, if a person is not a sexual pervert or brain-dead libtard, life in Russia is much better than in decadent West. Social and moral values are sane, in contrast to the imperial patch today.

    The economy is also doing much better than on the imperial patch, as the stats you presented show. I can add a piece of personal experience: myself and my wife will go to Russia in February (thanks to our Alzheimer-in-Chief, via Istanbul; there were two daily flights from Istanbul to Moscow a year ago, now there are six: Erdogan is doing brisk business). We planned to take a tour to lake Baikal: Baikal ice is spectacular, and it is at its thickest and strongest in the second half of February, when you can drive even a heavy car on it. We tentatively identified a 5-day tour that charges 100,000 rubles (that’s more than $1,000) per person. However, that tour was sold out by the time we decided to book. Considering that rich scum does not go there, choosing more glamorous (for the ignorants) locations, this illustrates financial state of normal reasonably well-off people. So, we had to settle for a different tour.

    In general, due to moronic sanctions imperial lackeys imposed, internal tourism in Russia is booming. Russia has a lot of things, from subtropics to permafrost in areas North of the polar circle, from vast plains to tall mountains, from a thousand years old churches to unspoiled wilderness, and everything in between. So, only a total idiot would dream of isolating Russia. The idiots obliged.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @Poupon Marx, @Beckow

    Emotionally, I understand that in the face of Putin’s demonization by bought and paid for Western presstitutes one is tempted to idealize him. However, objectively he is not a genius or a saint. Putin looks so smart only on the background of current Western “leaders”, who fall into two categories: genuinely dumb (e.g., demented Biden in the US or German Baerbock) or stuffed shirts acting against the interests of their countries (e.g., Macron, Scholz). Putin looks so saintly only on the background of monsters, like Netanyahu, and their accomplices in various imperial vassals.

    Putin is.a man of normal human intelligence with normal human instincts (remember when he spontaneously picked up fallen cap of a Palestinian guard and put it back on guard’s head?). He learned a lot on the job: in his first years in power he was clearly much less prepared. He still suffers from delusions of his generation, expecting the West to be more rational and moral than it really is. The next Russian president will be a lot harsher with the empire and its obsequious lackeys.

    Most of which you write is objective and grounded about Putin, but a minor part is jive and subjective, that more than hints at personal bias and envy.

    >However, objectively he is not a genius or a saint. Putin looks so smart only on the background of current Western “leaders”, who fall into two categories: genuinely dumb (e.g., demented Biden in the US or German Baerbock) or stuffed shirts acting against the interests of their countries (e.g., Macron, Scholz). Putin looks so saintly only on the background of monsters, like Netanyahu, and their accomplices in various imperial vassals.

    This, if ones bothers to immerse oneself into the details of post CCCP and the creation of Russia, the ongoing multi-faceted layers and vectors of World Wide changes and lurches, Russia comes out of these smelling like a rose, net gain, stronger than ever. An example is the visit of Putin to a maximal reception of the conquering hero in UAE and Saudi Arabia.

    This was much more than a meet and greet. Many new deals and agreements were signed, investments in both directions, with UAE and Saudi Arabia intending to invest billions in Russia over the course of the coming years.

    Then he flew home to host the the President of Iran. And again, new deals across the board in all areas. The relationship runs now on rocket fuel in all areas. Russia will guarantee Iran’s integrity and defense.

    Putin is.a man of normal human intelligence with normal human instincts (remember when he spontaneously picked up fallen cap of a Palestinian guard and put it back on guard’s head?). He learned a lot on the job: in his first years in power he was clearly much less prepared. He still suffers from delusions of his generation, expecting the West to be more rational and moral than it really is.

    Not the consensus of the most knowledgeable and senior observers and former high office holders. Your opinion seems to come from a compensating personality deficit (low self esteem, weak personality), and again the often and offending phenomenon of limited information, superficial knowledge, rancid Western sources of jerknullism.

    Sorry to put it too you in stark, vivid terms, but perhaps this will encourage you to raise your level and threshold of initiation of which you think you know more of than you actually do. I could go on and on. That’s because I spend considerable effort and time to expose and reveal evidence and facts, as my threshold of certainty-or what is called the “Confidence interval” in empirical and scientific literature is met. This is an product and result of the required discipline and certitude of my over 30 years as an operator, manager, planner, and supervisor of large and complex marine power plants, upon oceans, and of various designs and configurations, in remote locations (middle of the ocean).

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Poupon Marx


    He still suffers from delusions of his generation, expecting the West to be more rational and moral than it really is.
    Not the consensus of the most knowledgeable and senior observers and former high office holders.
     
    That just shows how misinformed and/or deluded these observers are. I know what I am talking about first-hand. I am younger than Putin, by I am from the same generation from the same country. Widespread delusions of most educated people about the West at the time are the main reason why when thieves and traitors were dismantling the USSR in 1989-91 so few people acted against them. I didn’t, which now I am ashamed of.

    Your opinion seems to come from a compensating personality deficit (low self esteem, weak personality),
     
    Wide of the mark. People, including those working for me, complained that my personality is too strong, and my opinion of myself is too high. Maybe, but that has its uses: thanks to high self-esteem I almost single-handedly killed a few fashionable misconceptions in my field by writing strong review papers, and right now I am in the process of killing two more the same way. Maybe my employees suffer, but my scientific field benefits.

    limited information, superficial knowledge, rancid Western sources of jerknullism.
     
    I am a biologist. I know that nature gave us two eyes because you cannot see the world adequately from only one vantage point. No source is 100% objective (that’s against human nature). Therefore, I get my info from sources that have different axes to grind, and therefore opposite bias. Unfortunately, lately Western MSM (probably out of desperation) resorted to downright lies (comrade Ogilvy-style “stories”, if you read Orwell’s “1984”), which makes it harder to get meaningful anti-Russian info).

    That’s because I spend considerable effort and time to expose and reveal evidence and facts, as my threshold of certainty-or what is called the “Confidence interval” in empirical and scientific literature is met.
     
    FYI, I am a professional scientist (I work in real science, not humanities BS), so I know exactly what constitutes proof and what does not. In particular, I know that opinions of “resected observers” are just that, opinions, and cannot prove anything without hard experimental evidence (which those observers rarely produce in their pontifications).
  318. @Poupon Marx
    @John Johnson

    Putin is THE ideal leader of Russia. 85% of the Russian people polled believe this. This acheivements mirror those of Lee Kwan Yew in Singapore, a country that started its independence at less than zero, like Russia after Perestroika.

    Most of you who whole sale denigrate Putin, instead of providing historical, economic, and political context of Russia-internal and external-are deficient and lacking in information, facts and evidence. That is obviously a combination of sloth and indifference, lack of opportunity (take a break from ritual and frequent masturbation), and a low level of intellectual integrity and confidence level. The latest, REAL data from Russia:

    Russian factory activity humming – survey
    Manufacturing has surged to its highest level in seven years, according to S&P Global

    Defying sanctions and pivoting East: Here’s why the Russian economy not only survived, but grew in 2023
    GDP growth is set to outperform that of all major Western countries

    https://www.rt.com/business/589686-russian-economy-defies-sanctions/

    Russia’s forex reserves surging
    Holdings grew by $5.5 billion in just one week, official data shows

    https://www.rt.com/business/589827-russia-forex-reserves-growth/

    Russia’s gas production soars – data
    Output rose by 6.4% in November year-on-year, official statistics show

    https://www.rt.com/business/589806-russia-gas-production-growth/

    Australians who permanently moved to Moscow. Russia is the overall best country to live in (for individuals and family) in the World.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3C7LDNACJs

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @John Johnson

    Putin is THE ideal leader of Russia. 85% of the Russian people polled believe this.

    And how can we trust such a poll when the media is censored?

    Fidel would claim that he had 99% support. Do you think that was accurate?

    I’ve also never seen anything that shows 85%. Let’s see a source on that.

    Most of you who whole sale denigrate Putin, instead of providing historical, economic, and political context of Russia-internal and external-are deficient and lacking in information, facts and evidence.

    I’ve cited inflation statistics from the government of Russia.

    You are the one that tried denying the egg shortage existed because you didn’t want to Google “egg shortage Russia” and spend 2 minutes reading about it. You incorrectly assumed that the rest of us spend as much time in our imagination. In the China/Russia thread someone explained the egg shortage and yet YOU STILL went on some unhinged rant instead of actually reading about it.

    Aren’t you a boomer? How are you retired and unable to sift through basic information? You have the internet in front of you and yet you continually fail to use it in favor of delusion.

    Australians who permanently moved to Moscow. Russia is the overall best country to live in (for individuals and family) in the World.

    That is hilarious. Around 500k Russian men of draft age seem to disagree as they left.

    I also have videos of Russia. Here is an old lady being hauled off by Putin’s thugs:

    Russia is the country where they are terrified of old women holding signs. World is so impressed.

    But keep defending the dwarf dictator and his totalitarian state. I’m sure one day the world will awake and realize that a mass murdering dwarf who can’t keep the price of eggs down is a genius.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    @John Johnson



    And how can we trust such a poll when the media is censored?

    Fidel would claim that he had 99% support. Do you think that was accurate?

    I’ve also never seen anything that shows 85%. Let’s see a source on that.
     

    And how can we trust such a poll when the media is censored?
     
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-rating-russia/

    You are the one that tried denying the egg shortage existed because you didn’t want to Google “egg shortage Russia” and spend 2 minutes reading about it. You incorrectly assumed that the rest of us spend as much time in our imagination. In the China/Russia thread someone explained the egg shortage and yet YOU STILL went on some unhinged rant instead of actually reading about it.
     
    https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/finance/why-are-eggs-so-expensive#:~:text=There%27s%20an%20egg%20shortage%20because,for%20Disease%20Control%20and%20Prevention.

    Is there an egg shortage in the world?
    There's an egg shortage because the ongoing bird flu outbreak has killed millions of egg-laying chickens. As of November 2023, more than 61 million birds have died in the U.S. due to the outbreak, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.Dec 20, 2023
     

    Why Are Eggs So Expensive?
    The cost of eggs skyrocketed a year ago thanks to an unprecedented bird flu outbreak. Prices have declined in recent months as the crisis has eased.
    Cara Smith
    By Cara Smith 
    Updated Dec 20, 2023 9:31 a.m. PST
     

    https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/finance/why-are-eggs-so-expensive#:~:text=There%27s%20an%20egg%20shortage%20because,for%20Disease%20Control%20and%20Prevention.
    Several factors, including food shortages, rising energy costs, and bird flu, are contributing to the ongoing egg shortage. Llyr Jones, whose 32,000 hens supply Tesco, claimed that factors like last year's skyrocketing energy prices caused several farmers to leave the business.May 17, 2023
     
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/egg-shortage-supermarkets-bird-flu-cost-of-living-b1040104.html#:~:text=Several%20factors%2C%20including%20food%20shortages,farmers%20to%20leave%20the%20business.

    You are addicted to humiliation and exposition as an idiotic, imbecile, and moron, Johnson. Why are you so masochistic and eager to be made a fool of, constantly?? Appears like your disease requires intervention and treatment.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @John Johnson

  319. @John Johnson
    @Poupon Marx

    Putin is THE ideal leader of Russia. 85% of the Russian people polled believe this.

    And how can we trust such a poll when the media is censored?

    Fidel would claim that he had 99% support. Do you think that was accurate?

    I've also never seen anything that shows 85%. Let's see a source on that.

    Most of you who whole sale denigrate Putin, instead of providing historical, economic, and political context of Russia-internal and external-are deficient and lacking in information, facts and evidence.

    I've cited inflation statistics from the government of Russia.

    You are the one that tried denying the egg shortage existed because you didn't want to Google "egg shortage Russia" and spend 2 minutes reading about it. You incorrectly assumed that the rest of us spend as much time in our imagination. In the China/Russia thread someone explained the egg shortage and yet YOU STILL went on some unhinged rant instead of actually reading about it.

    Aren't you a boomer? How are you retired and unable to sift through basic information? You have the internet in front of you and yet you continually fail to use it in favor of delusion.

    Australians who permanently moved to Moscow. Russia is the overall best country to live in (for individuals and family) in the World.

    That is hilarious. Around 500k Russian men of draft age seem to disagree as they left.

    I also have videos of Russia. Here is an old lady being hauled off by Putin's thugs:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG3Z1iiynRc

    Russia is the country where they are terrified of old women holding signs. World is so impressed.

    But keep defending the dwarf dictator and his totalitarian state. I'm sure one day the world will awake and realize that a mass murdering dwarf who can't keep the price of eggs down is a genius.

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

    And how can we trust such a poll when the media is censored?

    Fidel would claim that he had 99% support. Do you think that was accurate?

    I’ve also never seen anything that shows 85%. Let’s see a source on that.

    And how can we trust such a poll when the media is censored?

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-rating-russia/

    You are the one that tried denying the egg shortage existed because you didn’t want to Google “egg shortage Russia” and spend 2 minutes reading about it. You incorrectly assumed that the rest of us spend as much time in our imagination. In the China/Russia thread someone explained the egg shortage and yet YOU STILL went on some unhinged rant instead of actually reading about it.

    https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/finance/why-are-eggs-so-expensive#:~:text=There%27s%20an%20egg%20shortage%20because,for%20Disease%20Control%20and%20Prevention.

    Is there an egg shortage in the world?
    There’s an egg shortage because the ongoing bird flu outbreak has killed millions of egg-laying chickens. As of November 2023, more than 61 million birds have died in the U.S. due to the outbreak, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.Dec 20, 2023

    Why Are Eggs So Expensive?
    The cost of eggs skyrocketed a year ago thanks to an unprecedented bird flu outbreak. Prices have declined in recent months as the crisis has eased.
    Cara Smith
    By Cara Smith 
    Updated Dec 20, 2023 9:31 a.m. PST

    https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/finance/why-are-eggs-so-expensive#:~:text=There%27s%20an%20egg%20shortage%20because,for%20Disease%20Control%20and%20Prevention.
    Several factors, including food shortages, rising energy costs, and bird flu, are contributing to the ongoing egg shortage. Llyr Jones, whose 32,000 hens supply Tesco, claimed that factors like last year’s skyrocketing energy prices caused several farmers to leave the business.May 17, 2023

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/egg-shortage-supermarkets-bird-flu-cost-of-living-b1040104.html#:~:text=Several%20factors%2C%20including%20food%20shortages,farmers%20to%20leave%20the%20business.

    You are addicted to humiliation and exposition as an idiotic, imbecile, and moron, Johnson. Why are you so masochistic and eager to be made a fool of, constantly?? Appears like your disease requires intervention and treatment.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Poupon Marx

    LOL did you not see that Putin apologized over the price of eggs?
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-rare-apology-over-price-eggs-2023-12-14/

    A nerd wallet link on global food prices is your response?

    Yes eggs are more expensive than a few years ago but we don't have Soviet style lines for them.
    https://www.newsweek.com/videos-show-massive-lines-eggs-russia-prices-skyrocket-1852279

    Nice try there Marx.

    Oh and Russia's "egg king" was nearly assassinated over it:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/12/31/russian-egg-king-survives-assassination-attempt/

    Instead of figuring out supply and demand I guess the Russians just start shooting people.

    You posted a poll but didn't answer this question:
    And how can we trust such a poll when the media is censored?

    Your source was a Moscow based organization.

    How can we trust the media and public research firms in Moscow when Putin imprisons journalists for having unwanted opinions?

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

    , @John Johnson
    @Poupon Marx

    Russians asked who they will vote for:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t1zpFkuBMY

    You are certain he has 85% support?

    Do you believe other figures from Russia like their proclaimed inflation rate?

    It seems that some our Putin defenders are needed in Russia. Quite a few Russians seem to think Putin is a dictator and the election is fake.

    Replies: @Derer, @Mr. Hack

  320. @AnonfromTN
    @Poupon Marx

    You are talking to an entity (it’s gender does not matter) gainfully employed here. True beliefs of this entity are inconsequential. She/he/it won’t post anything that goes against the orders of her/his/its supervisor.


    Putin is THE ideal leader of Russia.
     
    Emotionally, I understand that in the face of Putin’s demonization by bought and paid for Western presstitutes one is tempted to idealize him. However, objectively he is not a genius or a saint. Putin looks so smart only on the background of current Western “leaders”, who fall into two categories: genuinely dumb (e.g., demented Biden in the US or German Baerbock) or stuffed shirts acting against the interests of their countries (e.g., Macron, Scholz). Putin looks so saintly only on the background of monsters, like Netanyahu, and their accomplices in various imperial vassals.

    Putin is.a man of normal human intelligence with normal human instincts (remember when he spontaneously picked up fallen cap of a Palestinian guard and put it back on guard’s head?). He learned a lot on the job: in his first years in power he was clearly much less prepared. He still suffers from delusions of his generation, expecting the West to be more rational and moral than it really is. The next Russian president will be a lot harsher with the empire and its obsequious lackeys.

    But objectively what he did for Russian interests favorably compares with the achievements of most Russian rulers. From Russian perspective, he rivals Peter the Great and Catherine the Great.

    At to living environment, if a person is not a sexual pervert or brain-dead libtard, life in Russia is much better than in decadent West. Social and moral values are sane, in contrast to the imperial patch today.

    The economy is also doing much better than on the imperial patch, as the stats you presented show. I can add a piece of personal experience: myself and my wife will go to Russia in February (thanks to our Alzheimer-in-Chief, via Istanbul; there were two daily flights from Istanbul to Moscow a year ago, now there are six: Erdogan is doing brisk business). We planned to take a tour to lake Baikal: Baikal ice is spectacular, and it is at its thickest and strongest in the second half of February, when you can drive even a heavy car on it. We tentatively identified a 5-day tour that charges 100,000 rubles (that’s more than $1,000) per person. However, that tour was sold out by the time we decided to book. Considering that rich scum does not go there, choosing more glamorous (for the ignorants) locations, this illustrates financial state of normal reasonably well-off people. So, we had to settle for a different tour.

    In general, due to moronic sanctions imperial lackeys imposed, internal tourism in Russia is booming. Russia has a lot of things, from subtropics to permafrost in areas North of the polar circle, from vast plains to tall mountains, from a thousand years old churches to unspoiled wilderness, and everything in between. So, only a total idiot would dream of isolating Russia. The idiots obliged.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC, @Poupon Marx, @Beckow

    …only a total idiot would dream of isolating Russia. The idiots obliged.

    They isolated it because they couldn’t have it. They always do that and then try to walk it back. But it could take years, even decades.

    I agree that Putin is basically just an ordinary, normal guy. Even his self-discipline seems a later in life development. He matters, but not that much – he embodies what majority of Russians want. That is what every democracy should be.

    The way these things work is that the coming generation will be a lot more assertive – whoever comes after Putin will be less accommodating, possibly even dangerous. West should be really proud for raising a new hostile generation in Russia, as if they were too stupid – or too greedy – to see what they are doing. (And the Poles, for god’s sake, are they planning to move somewhere?)

    By the way, Scholz should go into the genuinely dumb category. He is also a stuffed shirt, but that is in his case secondary. But the dumbest Western leader today is by far the hapless Canadian narcissist Justin Trudeau…he is in a category of his own….:)

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow


    The way these things work is that the coming generation will be a lot more assertive
     
    What's that supposed to mean exactly? Is there yet more territory beyond Ukraine that Russia has to annex?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    , @QCIC
    @Beckow

    Putin's ability to extemporaneously respond to a wide range of interesting and challenging questions is impressive and possibly phenomenal. This capacity may or may not correlate with being a good leader but it is intriguing. With this ability I don't believe he can be considered an ordinary person or at least not an ordinary head of state.

    Replies: @Beckow

  321. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...only a total idiot would dream of isolating Russia. The idiots obliged.
     
    They isolated it because they couldn't have it. They always do that and then try to walk it back. But it could take years, even decades.

    I agree that Putin is basically just an ordinary, normal guy. Even his self-discipline seems a later in life development. He matters, but not that much - he embodies what majority of Russians want. That is what every democracy should be.

    The way these things work is that the coming generation will be a lot more assertive - whoever comes after Putin will be less accommodating, possibly even dangerous. West should be really proud for raising a new hostile generation in Russia, as if they were too stupid - or too greedy - to see what they are doing. (And the Poles, for god's sake, are they planning to move somewhere?)

    By the way, Scholz should go into the genuinely dumb category. He is also a stuffed shirt, but that is in his case secondary. But the dumbest Western leader today is by far the hapless Canadian narcissist Justin Trudeau...he is in a category of his own....:)

    Replies: @German_reader, @QCIC

    The way these things work is that the coming generation will be a lot more assertive

    What’s that supposed to mean exactly? Is there yet more territory beyond Ukraine that Russia has to annex?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader

    Haven't you been paying attention? They are coming for Latvia next. All those potato farms are ripe for the taking when the NATO arsenal runs empty!

    https://purpleshoshana.com/collections/pre-owned-raccoon-coats/products/brand-new-tanuki-raccoon-unisex-fur-coat-coats-s-m

    https://purpleshoshana.com/cdn/shop/products/6324Tanuki4_2000x.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow, @Greasy William

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Moldova?

    , @Beckow
    @German_reader


    What’s that supposed to mean exactly?
     
    Whatever they decide it means...:)

    The assertiveness will not be about geography - there is no appetite for that in Russia. Maybe consolidation with Ukraine-Belarus, very remote possibility with the Baltic. But Berlin and Brest are safe, don't panic.

    Less accommodating Russia will mean that the energy-resources will be guarded, sold only at market prices and used as leverage. In other words the scary talk of "Europe is dependent on Russia! blow up the pipes!!!!" that was not true will turn into exactly that. Europe can buy elsewhere but it will cost us. And the Russian market will be mostly closed. Too bad, it was quite a market, very few like that around the world: top prices, eager customers, and they paid their bills.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    What’s that supposed to mean exactly?
     
    This means that the West showed its true colors: it will do nothing out of good will (for total lack of it), will only do things out of fear. That’s what non-agreement-capable means. Russians learned their lesson (1990s were a very clear lesson), and Russian policy will be based on this knowledge. Putin has some illusions from his youth. He still expects a modicum of rationality. That’s why he always warns first, acts later. The first warning was his Munich speech in 2007. Intelligent people would have taken notice, Western elites did not. The next Russian president won’t have any illusions and will act without warning. The West will rue the day when Putin is gone.

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

  322. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    The way these things work is that the coming generation will be a lot more assertive
     
    What's that supposed to mean exactly? Is there yet more territory beyond Ukraine that Russia has to annex?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    Haven’t you been paying attention? They are coming for Latvia next. All those potato farms are ripe for the taking when the NATO arsenal runs empty!

    https://purpleshoshana.com/collections/pre-owned-raccoon-coats/products/brand-new-tanuki-raccoon-unisex-fur-coat-coats-s-m

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    All those potato farms are ripe for the taking when the NATO arsenal runs empty!
     
    That fur-clad chick does not look like a potato farmer.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Beckow
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I would guess that is an Indian squaw about to climb over the fence to EU? She is ready. Next to be seen as a minister in Sweden...

    Replies: @Derer

    , @Greasy William
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    she's hot

  323. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    God, work on your reading comprehension, you dimwit. Ukraine can kill as many Russian civilians as it wants, one can certainly make a cogent argument that the Russian public deserves it for its support of the war. But it's militarily pointless, it's all for show and won't do anything to avert the looming disaster for Ukraine. I don't see why German taxpayers should finance such nonsense and attract Russian hatred for it, while not getting any influence on Ukrainian decisions in return. It's enough to send anti-air systems and artillery pieces to Ukraine, at least Ukraine's frequently deranged and less than trustworthy leadership can't use them for anything too crazy. Missiles with a range of hundreds of kilometers, hell no.
    As for suppliers of Russia's weaponry, much of that is produced in Russia itself, unlike with Ukraine which is dependent on Western support. Yes, Iran is selling drones and North Korea shells, but I doubt they'll care about my condemnation, nor about anything else the West can still do to them, since they're already under heavy sanctions anyway.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Yes, Iran is selling drones and North Korea shells, but I doubt they’ll care about my condemnation, nor about anything else the West can still do to them, since they’re already under heavy sanctions anyway.

    Yes, so continue your surly criticisms about Ukraine and Ukrainians(and their allies too) who still care about what the world thinks about what’s going on within their country.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    Yes, so continue your surly criticisms about Ukraine and Ukrainians(and their allies too) who still care about what the world thinks about what’s going on within their country.
     
    I'm not aware of Ukraine having any "allies". There are no alliance treaties obligating anybody to come to Ukraine's aid. Nor (contrary to the "We have to be so thankful to Ukraine's heroes that they're killing Russians for US" nonsense LatW is always coming up with) is there any reason to suppose that Ukraine would be willing to fight for anything else than its own narrowly defined national interests.
    What Ukraine has got are benefactors or patrons...whose patience is regularly tested by the insane bs Ukraine's arrogant, entitled and possibly not quite right in the head leadership comes up with.
    And your attitude is also symptomatic of what pisses me off about so many pro-Ukrainians. I'm not even someone who argues that Western support for Ukraine should be ended, that it shouldn't matter to us what happens to Ukraine etc. That has never been my position since February 2022. But anything less than unconditional cheerleading for Ukraine (including cultivating the illusion that Ukraine can win a triumphant victory over Russia, which you apparently still cling to, despite all the evidence to the contrary) is just not acceptable for you people. Frankly, you are terrible at coalition building and you have no idea how fed up even otherwise well-meaning Western normies are already becoming with this. If you think a coalition of neocons, woke extremists and Eastern European chauvinists who scream down anyone who doesn't think "decolonizing" Russia or similar nonsense is a realistic and worthy goal will be enough to ensure long-term support for Ukraine, you're in for a rude awakening.
    Anyway, despite my harsh comments I wish you all the best for 2024. I'm not taking any pleasure in the pain you feel (understandably enough) about the war in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  324. @Poupon Marx
    @AnonfromTN


    Emotionally, I understand that in the face of Putin’s demonization by bought and paid for Western presstitutes one is tempted to idealize him. However, objectively he is not a genius or a saint. Putin looks so smart only on the background of current Western “leaders”, who fall into two categories: genuinely dumb (e.g., demented Biden in the US or German Baerbock) or stuffed shirts acting against the interests of their countries (e.g., Macron, Scholz). Putin looks so saintly only on the background of monsters, like Netanyahu, and their accomplices in various imperial vassals.

    Putin is.a man of normal human intelligence with normal human instincts (remember when he spontaneously picked up fallen cap of a Palestinian guard and put it back on guard’s head?). He learned a lot on the job: in his first years in power he was clearly much less prepared. He still suffers from delusions of his generation, expecting the West to be more rational and moral than it really is. The next Russian president will be a lot harsher with the empire and its obsequious lackeys.
     
    Most of which you write is objective and grounded about Putin, but a minor part is jive and subjective, that more than hints at personal bias and envy.

    >However, objectively he is not a genius or a saint. Putin looks so smart only on the background of current Western “leaders”, who fall into two categories: genuinely dumb (e.g., demented Biden in the US or German Baerbock) or stuffed shirts acting against the interests of their countries (e.g., Macron, Scholz). Putin looks so saintly only on the background of monsters, like Netanyahu, and their accomplices in various imperial vassals.

    This, if ones bothers to immerse oneself into the details of post CCCP and the creation of Russia, the ongoing multi-faceted layers and vectors of World Wide changes and lurches, Russia comes out of these smelling like a rose, net gain, stronger than ever. An example is the visit of Putin to a maximal reception of the conquering hero in UAE and Saudi Arabia.

    This was much more than a meet and greet. Many new deals and agreements were signed, investments in both directions, with UAE and Saudi Arabia intending to invest billions in Russia over the course of the coming years.

    Then he flew home to host the the President of Iran. And again, new deals across the board in all areas. The relationship runs now on rocket fuel in all areas. Russia will guarantee Iran's integrity and defense.

    Putin is.a man of normal human intelligence with normal human instincts (remember when he spontaneously picked up fallen cap of a Palestinian guard and put it back on guard’s head?). He learned a lot on the job: in his first years in power he was clearly much less prepared. He still suffers from delusions of his generation, expecting the West to be more rational and moral than it really is.

     

    Not the consensus of the most knowledgeable and senior observers and former high office holders. Your opinion seems to come from a compensating personality deficit (low self esteem, weak personality), and again the often and offending phenomenon of limited information, superficial knowledge, rancid Western sources of jerknullism.

    Sorry to put it too you in stark, vivid terms, but perhaps this will encourage you to raise your level and threshold of initiation of which you think you know more of than you actually do. I could go on and on. That's because I spend considerable effort and time to expose and reveal evidence and facts, as my threshold of certainty-or what is called the "Confidence interval" in empirical and scientific literature is met. This is an product and result of the required discipline and certitude of my over 30 years as an operator, manager, planner, and supervisor of large and complex marine power plants, upon oceans, and of various designs and configurations, in remote locations (middle of the ocean).

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    He still suffers from delusions of his generation, expecting the West to be more rational and moral than it really is.
    Not the consensus of the most knowledgeable and senior observers and former high office holders.

    That just shows how misinformed and/or deluded these observers are. I know what I am talking about first-hand. I am younger than Putin, by I am from the same generation from the same country. Widespread delusions of most educated people about the West at the time are the main reason why when thieves and traitors were dismantling the USSR in 1989-91 so few people acted against them. I didn’t, which now I am ashamed of.

    Your opinion seems to come from a compensating personality deficit (low self esteem, weak personality),

    Wide of the mark. People, including those working for me, complained that my personality is too strong, and my opinion of myself is too high. Maybe, but that has its uses: thanks to high self-esteem I almost single-handedly killed a few fashionable misconceptions in my field by writing strong review papers, and right now I am in the process of killing two more the same way. Maybe my employees suffer, but my scientific field benefits.

    limited information, superficial knowledge, rancid Western sources of jerknullism.

    I am a biologist. I know that nature gave us two eyes because you cannot see the world adequately from only one vantage point. No source is 100% objective (that’s against human nature). Therefore, I get my info from sources that have different axes to grind, and therefore opposite bias. Unfortunately, lately Western MSM (probably out of desperation) resorted to downright lies (comrade Ogilvy-style “stories”, if you read Orwell’s “1984”), which makes it harder to get meaningful anti-Russian info).

    That’s because I spend considerable effort and time to expose and reveal evidence and facts, as my threshold of certainty-or what is called the “Confidence interval” in empirical and scientific literature is met.

    FYI, I am a professional scientist (I work in real science, not humanities BS), so I know exactly what constitutes proof and what does not. In particular, I know that opinions of “resected observers” are just that, opinions, and cannot prove anything without hard experimental evidence (which those observers rarely produce in their pontifications).

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Thanks: Poupon Marx
  325. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader

    Haven't you been paying attention? They are coming for Latvia next. All those potato farms are ripe for the taking when the NATO arsenal runs empty!

    https://purpleshoshana.com/collections/pre-owned-raccoon-coats/products/brand-new-tanuki-raccoon-unisex-fur-coat-coats-s-m

    https://purpleshoshana.com/cdn/shop/products/6324Tanuki4_2000x.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow, @Greasy William

    All those potato farms are ripe for the taking when the NATO arsenal runs empty!

    That fur-clad chick does not look like a potato farmer.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AnonfromTN

    Kind of swarthy (with apologies to Peru) for a potato-farmer.

    Perhaps, sweet potatoes or yams.

  326. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    I’ve got a question for AP: Does the collapse of the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, and Yugoslavia indicate that Austria-Hungary was more likely than not to eventually fail even without World War I?
     
    Who knows? It collapsed due to World War I and the idiotic and malevolent Wilson pushing for it. Under different conditions it could have evolved into a sort of giant Switzerland.

    For Poles, Austria was a sanctuary compared to the Russian and German Empires. For Ukrainians, it was the same vis a vis Russia. As long as those existed there was no real separatism. Croats and Slovenes seems to have been loyal. Slovaks don't rebel, they serve. Czechs hadn't rebelled in centuries, and they lived well and had a healthy cultural life, Masaryk originally wanted to reform A-H into a federation. Hungarians were potential troublemakers, they didn't want their Slovak slaves taken away.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Mr. XYZ

    Who knows? It collapsed due to World War I and the idiotic and malevolent Wilson pushing for it. Under different conditions it could have evolved into a sort of giant Switzerland.

    Possibly, though this raises the question of whether Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia could have also evolved into a sort of giant Switzerland in due time had they avoided both Nazism and Communism.

    For Poles, Austria was a sanctuary compared to the Russian and German Empires.

    Yes, but they would still prefer an independent Poland if that was actually an option, no?

    For Ukrainians, it was the same vis a vis Russia.

    So long as Russia remained pro-Russification and authoritarian. If Russia would have overthrown the Romanovs and become a liberal democracy (not a Bolshevik tyranny!) long-term with a liberal nationalities policy, then this could have perhaps changed. It’s possible, though very far from guaranteed, that the Romanovs could have eventually been overthrown in Russia even without WWI. A hemophiliac heir-apparent doesn’t exactly do wonders for stability, after all.

    As long as those existed there was no real separatism. Croats and Slovenes seems to have been loyal. Slovaks don’t rebel, they serve. Czechs hadn’t rebelled in centuries, and they lived well and had a healthy cultural life, Masaryk originally wanted to reform A-H into a federation. Hungarians were potential troublemakers, they didn’t want their Slovak slaves taken away.

    Yeah, that’s the general impression that I get as well. Specifically the feeling that, other than perhaps for the Hungarians if a surviving Franz Ferdinand or someone like him will ever come to power, a lot of the ethnic groups in Austria-Hungary felt that it was their best bargain for a better life. Still, there appear to have already been rumblings under the surface for greater reforms, especially but not only in Hungary. R. W. Seton-Watson’s books about pre-WWI Austria-Hungary are worth reading, if you’re curious. He was cautiously positive and optimistic about A-H until WWI and then severely soured on it and began advocating for its breakup and dissolution.

  327. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    The way these things work is that the coming generation will be a lot more assertive
     
    What's that supposed to mean exactly? Is there yet more territory beyond Ukraine that Russia has to annex?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    Moldova?

  328. @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    All those potato farms are ripe for the taking when the NATO arsenal runs empty!
     
    That fur-clad chick does not look like a potato farmer.

    Replies: @songbird

    Kind of swarthy (with apologies to Peru) for a potato-farmer.

    Perhaps, sweet potatoes or yams.

  329. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    The way these things work is that the coming generation will be a lot more assertive
     
    What's that supposed to mean exactly? Is there yet more territory beyond Ukraine that Russia has to annex?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    What’s that supposed to mean exactly?

    Whatever they decide it means…:)

    The assertiveness will not be about geography – there is no appetite for that in Russia. Maybe consolidation with Ukraine-Belarus, very remote possibility with the Baltic. But Berlin and Brest are safe, don’t panic.

    Less accommodating Russia will mean that the energy-resources will be guarded, sold only at market prices and used as leverage. In other words the scary talk of “Europe is dependent on Russia! blow up the pipes!!!!” that was not true will turn into exactly that. Europe can buy elsewhere but it will cost us. And the Russian market will be mostly closed. Too bad, it was quite a market, very few like that around the world: top prices, eager customers, and they paid their bills.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow


    very remote possibility with the Baltic
     
    I sure hope Russia never tries anything there.
    About economic relations...reasonable enough. Couldn't be otherwise after everything that has happened.

    Replies: @sudden death

  330. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...only a total idiot would dream of isolating Russia. The idiots obliged.
     
    They isolated it because they couldn't have it. They always do that and then try to walk it back. But it could take years, even decades.

    I agree that Putin is basically just an ordinary, normal guy. Even his self-discipline seems a later in life development. He matters, but not that much - he embodies what majority of Russians want. That is what every democracy should be.

    The way these things work is that the coming generation will be a lot more assertive - whoever comes after Putin will be less accommodating, possibly even dangerous. West should be really proud for raising a new hostile generation in Russia, as if they were too stupid - or too greedy - to see what they are doing. (And the Poles, for god's sake, are they planning to move somewhere?)

    By the way, Scholz should go into the genuinely dumb category. He is also a stuffed shirt, but that is in his case secondary. But the dumbest Western leader today is by far the hapless Canadian narcissist Justin Trudeau...he is in a category of his own....:)

    Replies: @German_reader, @QCIC

    Putin’s ability to extemporaneously respond to a wide range of interesting and challenging questions is impressive and possibly phenomenal. This capacity may or may not correlate with being a good leader but it is intriguing. With this ability I don’t believe he can be considered an ordinary person or at least not an ordinary head of state.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @QCIC

    I agree that he is not an ordinary head of state. He is clearly smart and developed very strong habits, disciplined and focused. But I think the key is in the main complain against him: he has stayed for a very long time. He has the ability to learn and adjust - that comes to people who are not egomaniacs with experience...Xi seems the same.

    For the West to copy it and get better leaders they would need to suppress the ego-narcissists currently lording over them and then keep the new leaders longer. The fast turn-over in the West means that nothing people really want ever gets done, nothing changes and people behind the scene rule. (See the sad Trump example.)

    The only rational way to evaluate any democracy is to see whether the results match what people want. For example large majorities in all Western democracies don't want open borders and the massive influx of migrants - yet for 2 or 3 generations that is what they got. Something doesn't add up...

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

  331. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader

    Haven't you been paying attention? They are coming for Latvia next. All those potato farms are ripe for the taking when the NATO arsenal runs empty!

    https://purpleshoshana.com/collections/pre-owned-raccoon-coats/products/brand-new-tanuki-raccoon-unisex-fur-coat-coats-s-m

    https://purpleshoshana.com/cdn/shop/products/6324Tanuki4_2000x.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow, @Greasy William

    I would guess that is an Indian squaw about to climb over the fence to EU? She is ready. Next to be seen as a minister in Sweden…

    • Replies: @Derer
    @Beckow

    Never mind her...their husbands are the problem.

  332. I should like Netflix to disclose their viewership numbers on these Obama productions.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_Ground_Productions

  333. @QCIC
    @Beckow

    Putin's ability to extemporaneously respond to a wide range of interesting and challenging questions is impressive and possibly phenomenal. This capacity may or may not correlate with being a good leader but it is intriguing. With this ability I don't believe he can be considered an ordinary person or at least not an ordinary head of state.

    Replies: @Beckow

    I agree that he is not an ordinary head of state. He is clearly smart and developed very strong habits, disciplined and focused. But I think the key is in the main complain against him: he has stayed for a very long time. He has the ability to learn and adjust – that comes to people who are not egomaniacs with experience…Xi seems the same.

    For the West to copy it and get better leaders they would need to suppress the ego-narcissists currently lording over them and then keep the new leaders longer. The fast turn-over in the West means that nothing people really want ever gets done, nothing changes and people behind the scene rule. (See the sad Trump example.)

    The only rational way to evaluate any democracy is to see whether the results match what people want. For example large majorities in all Western democracies don’t want open borders and the massive influx of migrants – yet for 2 or 3 generations that is what they got. Something doesn’t add up…

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    @Beckow

    Very good responses from objective feedback and observations, not subjective, bitchy small minded, frankly, immature girl talk similarities.

    I've watched Putin at many meetings of a large spectrum of audiences, functions, and people. His grasp of specifics, facts, background is so fluid and detailed that this encyclopedic volume of information places him several standard deviations from the mean.

    He is briefed daily by top people on EVERYTHING concerning Russia. It ALL goes through him. Somehow he has the knowledge base to converse in detail and specifics with them all.

    One characteristic that is frequently overlooked is the ability to CHOOSE the best people for the job, and to delegate properly; not too much and not too little. That is the tightrope he walks, the amount of consultation and approval in balance and proportion to independence decision making.

    If he was not a genius, the Lee Kwan Yew and General George Patton were not either.

    Replies: @Beckow

  334. @Sean
    @QCIC

    The US would win any conventional world war, so why would they go nuclear? Russia's first use of theatre thermonuclear use against Ukraine would not count.

    Replies: @QCIC

    This not clear at all. The US is very dependent on a constant flow of imports as are China, India and Europe. Worldwide shipping would be at risk in such a war. I think Russia is now less dependent on imports in general and would simply increase flows from China and India if other sources are cut off. Russia’s economy depends on maritime shipment for oil revenue but this could be addressed by the inevitable nationalization in a war.

    The USA has an empire and this brings tradeoffs to a war. She has assets around the world but they are tied together by shipping, air travel and satellites all of which are very vulnerable even in a conventional war. The aircraft carrier part of the Navy may be very vulnerable as well. The grave risk is these forces are spread too thin and disconnected from each other. In this case Russia can turn turtle and stay in her shell. If enough US military assets are degraded, the disconnected military pieces of the empire could become vulnerable to local trouble and changing alliances.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @QCIC

    Leaving Europe to one side, America has a continental economy and its productive capacity in a conventional WW3 fought across the world would be too much for Russia (or China for the moment). Kissinger said when he was brought in to school Reagan, the new president was advised by Kissinger not to use nuclear weapons unless the enemy had already done so.

    Assuming for the sake of argument the Kremlin to be faced with a choice of going nuclear or being forced to withdraw from all Ukraine including Crimea if the Kremlin considers maintaining their status as a great power to be paramount, then why wouldn't they detonate theatre thermonuclear weapon' on the battlefield against the Ukrainian army?

    The question is would there be a direct conventional retaliatory strike by the West (US) on a Russia that had already gone nuclear on Ukraine?; no there wouldn't, whatever they might say the danger of Russia using nukes on a US air force strike would be much too great.

    Russia does not need to worry about losing to Ukraine, at the moment which is the only reason why it is currently unlikely they would do something sodesperate. And by the way, if nukes cannot rescue a conventional situation why NATO doctrine was and is to use nuclear weapons as a last resort to stop a Russian conventional attack succeeding?

    Russians seeing they were losing could do feel they had to use a tactical nuke ot two, and surely Russians would cooperate to do it, if they needed to do so in order to maintain Russia's status. In other words it might not help them win, but even in defeat they would be a country that had to be taken seriously.

    Replies: @QCIC

  335. @AnonfromTN
    Happy New year to all! Let 2024 be better than 2023.

    Replies: @A123

    Happy New year to all! Let 2024 be better than 2023.

    I agree. However…

     

     

    🎆 HAPPY NEW YEAR 🎇

  336. The trouble with you Johnson is you are concentrating on trivialities: those in the Western opining as if they are going to be the cause of anything that happens in the Ukraine war. The war stems from what people in Russia think, and we know they have always thought it: a February 2008 memo from William J. Burns to Condoleezza Rice warned her (the then Secretary of State) that if the Bush administration invited Georgia and Ukraine into a process to join NATO, Putin would be willing to immediately use military force against Georgia. Burns’ further warned it would be hard to overstate the strategic consequences” of offering Ukraine NATO membership”. Bush carried on regardless and Georgia was invaded by Russia a few months after the invite was accepted.

    It is noteworthy that in 2008 Burns said virtually all Russians of any account, including those who disliked the Putin regime, thought Ukraine entering Nato was unacceptable. You keep talking as if it is all about Putin being morally malfeasant and misrepresenting the geopolitical situation to his hapless domestic audience. But Russians know Ukraine thinks Ukraine is free to become allegiant to the West, and so force is the only way to stop Ukraine doing what they (Russians) consider unacceptable. And Russia is in the process of paying a heavy toll for stopping Ukraine. See, there is no misunderstanding just a genuine conflict between two peoples about their respective national security interests.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Sean


    Bush carried on regardless and Georgia was invaded by Russia a few months after the invite was accepted.
     
    During NATO's 2008 April summit in Bucharest, the United States and Poland called for Georgia to be allowed to join the Membership Action Plan (MAP), but the alliance decided not to offer Georgia a MAP due to opposition from several countries, led by France and Germany, who feared the decision would anger Russia, therefore there was neither official invite nor any acception done that year prior 2008 August war in Georgia.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Sean

  337. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    The way these things work is that the coming generation will be a lot more assertive
     
    What's that supposed to mean exactly? Is there yet more territory beyond Ukraine that Russia has to annex?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    What’s that supposed to mean exactly?

    This means that the West showed its true colors: it will do nothing out of good will (for total lack of it), will only do things out of fear. That’s what non-agreement-capable means. Russians learned their lesson (1990s were a very clear lesson), and Russian policy will be based on this knowledge. Putin has some illusions from his youth. He still expects a modicum of rationality. That’s why he always warns first, acts later. The first warning was his Munich speech in 2007. Intelligent people would have taken notice, Western elites did not. The next Russian president won’t have any illusions and will act without warning. The West will rue the day when Putin is gone.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    @AnonfromTN

    Exactly. Putin has been described as honest and sincere since he was a KGB office from those who interacted with him. Also, noted was his deep and complete mastery of the subject matter under negotiation.

    Recently, his 4 HOUR TELEVISED PRESS CONFERENCE WAS A tour de force. I have noted that a manager of a system, business, country, etc, etc, must have two distinct abilities to be maximally effective. One is complete mastery of all technical and physical components and systems, AND the ability to understand, evaluate, perceive strengths, understand personality differences AND then make predictions and assignments to that or those people to follow through and execute. These two abilities in a single persona are relatively rarified. Many technical people are not "people" persons and do not like dealing with the analog natures and vicissitudes of human nature. Putin has mastered both to a high degree of excellence.

    Of course, Russia today is a hellhole, a reflection of the inability of Russians to organize, produce, and build a great civilization. Look at the desperation and misery of its people:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGmL_TrLFWs

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1298802/russia-food-inflation-by-product/

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack

  338. @Poupon Marx
    @John Johnson



    And how can we trust such a poll when the media is censored?

    Fidel would claim that he had 99% support. Do you think that was accurate?

    I’ve also never seen anything that shows 85%. Let’s see a source on that.
     

    And how can we trust such a poll when the media is censored?
     
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-rating-russia/

    You are the one that tried denying the egg shortage existed because you didn’t want to Google “egg shortage Russia” and spend 2 minutes reading about it. You incorrectly assumed that the rest of us spend as much time in our imagination. In the China/Russia thread someone explained the egg shortage and yet YOU STILL went on some unhinged rant instead of actually reading about it.
     
    https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/finance/why-are-eggs-so-expensive#:~:text=There%27s%20an%20egg%20shortage%20because,for%20Disease%20Control%20and%20Prevention.

    Is there an egg shortage in the world?
    There's an egg shortage because the ongoing bird flu outbreak has killed millions of egg-laying chickens. As of November 2023, more than 61 million birds have died in the U.S. due to the outbreak, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.Dec 20, 2023
     

    Why Are Eggs So Expensive?
    The cost of eggs skyrocketed a year ago thanks to an unprecedented bird flu outbreak. Prices have declined in recent months as the crisis has eased.
    Cara Smith
    By Cara Smith 
    Updated Dec 20, 2023 9:31 a.m. PST
     

    https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/finance/why-are-eggs-so-expensive#:~:text=There%27s%20an%20egg%20shortage%20because,for%20Disease%20Control%20and%20Prevention.
    Several factors, including food shortages, rising energy costs, and bird flu, are contributing to the ongoing egg shortage. Llyr Jones, whose 32,000 hens supply Tesco, claimed that factors like last year's skyrocketing energy prices caused several farmers to leave the business.May 17, 2023
     
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/egg-shortage-supermarkets-bird-flu-cost-of-living-b1040104.html#:~:text=Several%20factors%2C%20including%20food%20shortages,farmers%20to%20leave%20the%20business.

    You are addicted to humiliation and exposition as an idiotic, imbecile, and moron, Johnson. Why are you so masochistic and eager to be made a fool of, constantly?? Appears like your disease requires intervention and treatment.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @John Johnson

    LOL did you not see that Putin apologized over the price of eggs?
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-rare-apology-over-price-eggs-2023-12-14/

    A nerd wallet link on global food prices is your response?

    Yes eggs are more expensive than a few years ago but we don’t have Soviet style lines for them.
    https://www.newsweek.com/videos-show-massive-lines-eggs-russia-prices-skyrocket-1852279

    Nice try there Marx.

    Oh and Russia’s “egg king” was nearly assassinated over it:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/12/31/russian-egg-king-survives-assassination-attempt/

    Instead of figuring out supply and demand I guess the Russians just start shooting people.

    You posted a poll but didn’t answer this question:
    And how can we trust such a poll when the media is censored?

    Your source was a Moscow based organization.

    How can we trust the media and public research firms in Moscow when Putin imprisons journalists for having unwanted opinions?

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    @John Johnson

    CNN report of avian flu virus has resulted in 68 million chickens removed.

    Many food products are very likely to become scarce and very expensive. Feed stocks are supply limited and gaining in price.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j82HQRQhfTc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgIrGpbFtJY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc0ORYbAAIw

    Replies: @Derer, @John Johnson

  339. @Beckow
    @QCIC

    I agree that he is not an ordinary head of state. He is clearly smart and developed very strong habits, disciplined and focused. But I think the key is in the main complain against him: he has stayed for a very long time. He has the ability to learn and adjust - that comes to people who are not egomaniacs with experience...Xi seems the same.

    For the West to copy it and get better leaders they would need to suppress the ego-narcissists currently lording over them and then keep the new leaders longer. The fast turn-over in the West means that nothing people really want ever gets done, nothing changes and people behind the scene rule. (See the sad Trump example.)

    The only rational way to evaluate any democracy is to see whether the results match what people want. For example large majorities in all Western democracies don't want open borders and the massive influx of migrants - yet for 2 or 3 generations that is what they got. Something doesn't add up...

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

    Very good responses from objective feedback and observations, not subjective, bitchy small minded, frankly, immature girl talk similarities.

    I’ve watched Putin at many meetings of a large spectrum of audiences, functions, and people. His grasp of specifics, facts, background is so fluid and detailed that this encyclopedic volume of information places him several standard deviations from the mean.

    He is briefed daily by top people on EVERYTHING concerning Russia. It ALL goes through him. Somehow he has the knowledge base to converse in detail and specifics with them all.

    One characteristic that is frequently overlooked is the ability to CHOOSE the best people for the job, and to delegate properly; not too much and not too little. That is the tightrope he walks, the amount of consultation and approval in balance and proportion to independence decision making.

    If he was not a genius, the Lee Kwan Yew and General George Patton were not either.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Poupon Marx


    ...His grasp of specifics, facts, background is so fluid and detailed that this encyclopedic volume of information places him several standard deviations from the mean.
     
    Sure, he is way above average and very hard-working, but I am not sure he is a genius. Geniuses don't go into politics...

    ...his ability to CHOOSE the best people for the job, and to delegate properly
     
    That is actually one of Putin's weaker points: he has had some real doozies that he allowed to hang around for too long. And the fact that he doesn't feel free to retire suggests that he is not that sure the people around him are the best.

    But maybe his best quality is something that was in the past taken for granted: the complete identification with his own country. That is very rare in the West today - the Euros are governed by light-weight carrerists and outright sell-outs and in Washington there is a strange brew of globalist uber-liberals and neo-con military maniacs. So he stands apart, as does Xi.

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

  340. @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    What’s that supposed to mean exactly?
     
    This means that the West showed its true colors: it will do nothing out of good will (for total lack of it), will only do things out of fear. That’s what non-agreement-capable means. Russians learned their lesson (1990s were a very clear lesson), and Russian policy will be based on this knowledge. Putin has some illusions from his youth. He still expects a modicum of rationality. That’s why he always warns first, acts later. The first warning was his Munich speech in 2007. Intelligent people would have taken notice, Western elites did not. The next Russian president won’t have any illusions and will act without warning. The West will rue the day when Putin is gone.

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

    Exactly. Putin has been described as honest and sincere since he was a KGB office from those who interacted with him. Also, noted was his deep and complete mastery of the subject matter under negotiation.

    Recently, his 4 HOUR TELEVISED PRESS CONFERENCE WAS A tour de force. I have noted that a manager of a system, business, country, etc, etc, must have two distinct abilities to be maximally effective. One is complete mastery of all technical and physical components and systems, AND the ability to understand, evaluate, perceive strengths, understand personality differences AND then make predictions and assignments to that or those people to follow through and execute. These two abilities in a single persona are relatively rarified. Many technical people are not “people” persons and do not like dealing with the analog natures and vicissitudes of human nature. Putin has mastered both to a high degree of excellence.

    Of course, Russia today is a hellhole, a reflection of the inability of Russians to organize, produce, and build a great civilization. Look at the desperation and misery of its people:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1298802/russia-food-inflation-by-product/

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Poupon Marx

    Thanks for the video. Forget about Ded Moroz, where is Snegurochka?

    I hope the Belgorod attack doesn't disrupt Russian Christmas too badly, but I suppose that was the point. Maybe there will be a lull which can give the people of Ukraine a breather as well.

    I wish the Unz community the best for 2024!

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Poupon Marx


    Of course, Russia today is a hellhole, a reflection of the inability of Russians to organize, produce, and build a great civilization. Look at the desperation and misery of its people:
     
    Now, that’s what Western lugenpresse wants you to believe, many “comrade Oliglvy” stories are invented to make this impression on the uninformed.

    I was annually in Russia in the last several years, for about three weeks on average. It is nothing like that. It’s reasonably well organized, much better than current US. Say, something like New Orleans flood, or Puerto Rico earthquake, or Hawaii fire in Russia would never have become as disastrous as in the US: Russian emergency management agency is orders of magnitude more capable that American FEMA.

    It terms of material wealth, Russians in cities (>80% of the population; don’t know about villages, never been there) are more prosperous than in most European countries. You can see it by what they buy, what restaurants they go to, etc. In addition, you won’t see crowds of culturally incompatible “refugees” in Russia, which now contribute to the demise of Europe and all “blue” American cities. I don’t know where the video you posted was made, won’t be surprised that it was staged, not necessarily even in Russia: there is plenty of Russian-speaking scum in various countries, most poor enough to make a quick buck playing in this kind of video.

    I drove rental car in Russia for many hundreds of kilometers, from Penza to Nizhni Novgorod and back. The roads are in a better shape than today in the US, road services (food, gas, lodging) depend on locality: excellent in some regions, not so good in others.

    Putin formed a pretty impressive team at the federal level. The main weakness of Putin’s power structure is variable quality of regional governors: some are capable people, and their regions are in a very good shape, some are hapless morons only thinking about bribes and thievery (like Ukrainian officials at all levels).

    To a certain extent Putin’s annual multi-hour question-and-answer sessions serve to get the info about the situation in different regions from real people. The results are usually positive, but I don’t think the president of a country this size should be involved in solving purely local problems. Russia is not Andorra or Tuvalu, it needs a system of selection of regional officials that does not require interference of central authorities.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Greasy William

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Poupon Marx

    Even for cherry picking undoubtedly one of the nicest malls in Moscow the day before Christmas, I'm not really impressed with the crowd sizes within this mall. A totally different picture is presented by this Russian blogger:

    https://youtu.be/HxtZsUJzMyw

    Replies: @AP, @Poupon Marx

  341. @Poupon Marx
    @AnonfromTN

    Exactly. Putin has been described as honest and sincere since he was a KGB office from those who interacted with him. Also, noted was his deep and complete mastery of the subject matter under negotiation.

    Recently, his 4 HOUR TELEVISED PRESS CONFERENCE WAS A tour de force. I have noted that a manager of a system, business, country, etc, etc, must have two distinct abilities to be maximally effective. One is complete mastery of all technical and physical components and systems, AND the ability to understand, evaluate, perceive strengths, understand personality differences AND then make predictions and assignments to that or those people to follow through and execute. These two abilities in a single persona are relatively rarified. Many technical people are not "people" persons and do not like dealing with the analog natures and vicissitudes of human nature. Putin has mastered both to a high degree of excellence.

    Of course, Russia today is a hellhole, a reflection of the inability of Russians to organize, produce, and build a great civilization. Look at the desperation and misery of its people:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGmL_TrLFWs

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1298802/russia-food-inflation-by-product/

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack

    Thanks for the video. Forget about Ded Moroz, where is Snegurochka?

    I hope the Belgorod attack doesn’t disrupt Russian Christmas too badly, but I suppose that was the point. Maybe there will be a lull which can give the people of Ukraine a breather as well.

    I wish the Unz community the best for 2024!

  342. @John Johnson
    @Poupon Marx

    LOL did you not see that Putin apologized over the price of eggs?
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-rare-apology-over-price-eggs-2023-12-14/

    A nerd wallet link on global food prices is your response?

    Yes eggs are more expensive than a few years ago but we don't have Soviet style lines for them.
    https://www.newsweek.com/videos-show-massive-lines-eggs-russia-prices-skyrocket-1852279

    Nice try there Marx.

    Oh and Russia's "egg king" was nearly assassinated over it:
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/12/31/russian-egg-king-survives-assassination-attempt/

    Instead of figuring out supply and demand I guess the Russians just start shooting people.

    You posted a poll but didn't answer this question:
    And how can we trust such a poll when the media is censored?

    Your source was a Moscow based organization.

    How can we trust the media and public research firms in Moscow when Putin imprisons journalists for having unwanted opinions?

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

    CNN report of avian flu virus has resulted in 68 million chickens removed.

    Many food products are very likely to become scarce and very expensive. Feed stocks are supply limited and gaining in price.

    • Replies: @Derer
    @Poupon Marx

    Look at the desperation and misery of its people!

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

    , @John Johnson
    @Poupon Marx

    CNN report of avian flu virus has resulted in 68 million chickens removed.

    Many food products are very likely to become scarce and very expensive. Feed stocks are supply limited and gaining in price.

    Oh just stop already. Did you stand in line today for eggs?

    The dwarf dictator already took responsibility for the 40% increase in the price of eggs. It has nothing to do with avian flu. I already provided the link and here you are trying to do PR work.

    The sanctions made it harder for Russia to import feed and anti-biotics which came from Western Europe.

    Putin's Unz defenders at the start of the war told us that the sanctions won't do anything because Fortress Roosa can provide.

    Anyone who took a cursory look at their import dependencies knew that was false.

  343. @A123
    @Derer


    Taliban kicked out the US
     
    ROTFL -- The description "kicked out" is ludicrous.

    Trump accurately realized that the U.S. had no national interest at stake in Afghanistan. It was clear that departure was the correct choice. He was working out the details of a deal to gracefully leave, handing over the reins to local actors including some elements of the Taliban.

    Personal blame for the failed withdrawal falls on Gen. SJW Milley, Not-The-President Biden, and their associates. Those unelected individuals took what should have been an orderly wrap up and turned it into an unnecessary fiasco.

    It is not the hardware but the soldiers fighting purpose
     
    I concur with this.

    It explains why indigenous Palestinian Jews are winning ~20:1 versus Hamas. Israel is in a fight for survival, and thus has soldiers with "fighting purpose". The Iranian proxy troops on the ground are realizing that Hamas leadership in Qatar and Iran is expending them with no viable plan.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @YetAnotherAnon, @Derer

    Your invented definition of “kicked out” will not help you. The US military went to Afghanistan to destroy “mean, medieval” Taliban and the Taliban has repelled the invading insect and restore the power in Afghanistan. No matter how you massage (MSM is good at that) the “kicked out” expression, the US military is not there anymore.

    The sad part is that in the USA there is nobody responsible for idiotic decisions (Iraq, Libya) that cause loss of life and the taxpayers money in vain.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Derer


    The US military went to Afghanistan to destroy “mean, medieval” Taliban
     
    Wrong.

    GW sent forces to Afghanistan to hunt for Osama bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders.


    the Taliban has repelled the invading insect
     
    Wrong again.

    Trump's administration was negotiating with the largest Taliban factions. U.S. forces were reeled in, limiting them to specific areas. Taliban leadership kept most of the fighters away from those areas. The exceptionally low casualty figures back this up.


    the US military is not there anymore.
     
    True.

    America has had no national interest or objective there since 2012. Obama should have left back then. It is delusional to believe that the Taliban defeated U.S. troops forcing them out. The reality is that America, admittedly belatedly, chose to bring them home.


    The sad part is that in the USA there is nobody responsible for idiotic decisions
     
    I concur.

    Gen. Milley should face a firing squad for deliberately mishandling the withdrawal. His treason resulted in the deaths of at least 17 Marines.
    ___

    As a point of English language usage -- The phrase "nobody responsible" is not quite right. There are people who are "responsible", such as Hillary Clinton and Gen. Milley. I believe your intent was to indicate that "nobody is held accountable".

    PEACE 😇

  344. @Poupon Marx
    @John Johnson

    CNN report of avian flu virus has resulted in 68 million chickens removed.

    Many food products are very likely to become scarce and very expensive. Feed stocks are supply limited and gaining in price.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j82HQRQhfTc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgIrGpbFtJY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc0ORYbAAIw

    Replies: @Derer, @John Johnson

    Look at the desperation and misery of its people!

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    @Derer

    YES!! Dressed in rags, despondent, begging and selling their children!! Suffering is rampant because there are TOO MANY CHOICES OF CHEESES, SALAMIES, AND SEAFOOD. This is stress and strain causing depression and free floating anxiety!

  345. @Beckow
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I would guess that is an Indian squaw about to climb over the fence to EU? She is ready. Next to be seen as a minister in Sweden...

    Replies: @Derer

    Never mind her…their husbands are the problem.

  346. @Poupon Marx
    @AnonfromTN

    Exactly. Putin has been described as honest and sincere since he was a KGB office from those who interacted with him. Also, noted was his deep and complete mastery of the subject matter under negotiation.

    Recently, his 4 HOUR TELEVISED PRESS CONFERENCE WAS A tour de force. I have noted that a manager of a system, business, country, etc, etc, must have two distinct abilities to be maximally effective. One is complete mastery of all technical and physical components and systems, AND the ability to understand, evaluate, perceive strengths, understand personality differences AND then make predictions and assignments to that or those people to follow through and execute. These two abilities in a single persona are relatively rarified. Many technical people are not "people" persons and do not like dealing with the analog natures and vicissitudes of human nature. Putin has mastered both to a high degree of excellence.

    Of course, Russia today is a hellhole, a reflection of the inability of Russians to organize, produce, and build a great civilization. Look at the desperation and misery of its people:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGmL_TrLFWs

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1298802/russia-food-inflation-by-product/

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack

    Of course, Russia today is a hellhole, a reflection of the inability of Russians to organize, produce, and build a great civilization. Look at the desperation and misery of its people:

    Now, that’s what Western lugenpresse wants you to believe, many “comrade Oliglvy” stories are invented to make this impression on the uninformed.

    I was annually in Russia in the last several years, for about three weeks on average. It is nothing like that. It’s reasonably well organized, much better than current US. Say, something like New Orleans flood, or Puerto Rico earthquake, or Hawaii fire in Russia would never have become as disastrous as in the US: Russian emergency management agency is orders of magnitude more capable that American FEMA.

    It terms of material wealth, Russians in cities (>80% of the population; don’t know about villages, never been there) are more prosperous than in most European countries. You can see it by what they buy, what restaurants they go to, etc. In addition, you won’t see crowds of culturally incompatible “refugees” in Russia, which now contribute to the demise of Europe and all “blue” American cities. I don’t know where the video you posted was made, won’t be surprised that it was staged, not necessarily even in Russia: there is plenty of Russian-speaking scum in various countries, most poor enough to make a quick buck playing in this kind of video.

    I drove rental car in Russia for many hundreds of kilometers, from Penza to Nizhni Novgorod and back. The roads are in a better shape than today in the US, road services (food, gas, lodging) depend on locality: excellent in some regions, not so good in others.

    Putin formed a pretty impressive team at the federal level. The main weakness of Putin’s power structure is variable quality of regional governors: some are capable people, and their regions are in a very good shape, some are hapless morons only thinking about bribes and thievery (like Ukrainian officials at all levels).

    To a certain extent Putin’s annual multi-hour question-and-answer sessions serve to get the info about the situation in different regions from real people. The results are usually positive, but I don’t think the president of a country this size should be involved in solving purely local problems. Russia is not Andorra or Tuvalu, it needs a system of selection of regional officials that does not require interference of central authorities.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @AnonfromTN

    Correction: it was hurricane in Puerto Rica. Disastrous performance of federal authorities in general and FEMA in particular made the consequences last for many months.

    , @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    I regularly speak with a middle class, young man from Moscow metro and he says that Russia fucking sucks. He is a 45 minute commute via train into Moscow and he says that every time he goes into Moscow it has more non whites than it did the previous time (Russians apparently consider people from the Caucasus, even the Armenians, as "non white").

    He also says that he hasn't noticed any decline in living standards since the war started. He was freaking out when he got called in to register for the draft but he now appears certain that he won't be drafted.

    Edit: He also told me that Russians celebrate Christmas on New Years, for some reason. If that's actually true, Merry Xmas to you and to all the other Russians here

    Replies: @AP, @AnonfromTN

  347. Heard that Finns who die from alcohol-related accidents practically never drink and drive but rather fall on their knives. (Though info is old, c1990)

    That is quite interesting to me – the idea that they have a drinking problem but not a drinking and driving problem.

    Since Finns are often singled out for their psychological profile, I assume it is at least partly explained by HBD, the drinking but not driving.

    Pretty fascinating to consider how alcohol consumption vastly increased in many countries in the decades after WW2. Finland. Japan. Korea. I imagine practically everywhere, it quadrupled or more. Fetal Alcohol syndrome was first described in 1970.

  348. @AnonfromTN
    @Poupon Marx


    Of course, Russia today is a hellhole, a reflection of the inability of Russians to organize, produce, and build a great civilization. Look at the desperation and misery of its people:
     
    Now, that’s what Western lugenpresse wants you to believe, many “comrade Oliglvy” stories are invented to make this impression on the uninformed.

    I was annually in Russia in the last several years, for about three weeks on average. It is nothing like that. It’s reasonably well organized, much better than current US. Say, something like New Orleans flood, or Puerto Rico earthquake, or Hawaii fire in Russia would never have become as disastrous as in the US: Russian emergency management agency is orders of magnitude more capable that American FEMA.

    It terms of material wealth, Russians in cities (>80% of the population; don’t know about villages, never been there) are more prosperous than in most European countries. You can see it by what they buy, what restaurants they go to, etc. In addition, you won’t see crowds of culturally incompatible “refugees” in Russia, which now contribute to the demise of Europe and all “blue” American cities. I don’t know where the video you posted was made, won’t be surprised that it was staged, not necessarily even in Russia: there is plenty of Russian-speaking scum in various countries, most poor enough to make a quick buck playing in this kind of video.

    I drove rental car in Russia for many hundreds of kilometers, from Penza to Nizhni Novgorod and back. The roads are in a better shape than today in the US, road services (food, gas, lodging) depend on locality: excellent in some regions, not so good in others.

    Putin formed a pretty impressive team at the federal level. The main weakness of Putin’s power structure is variable quality of regional governors: some are capable people, and their regions are in a very good shape, some are hapless morons only thinking about bribes and thievery (like Ukrainian officials at all levels).

    To a certain extent Putin’s annual multi-hour question-and-answer sessions serve to get the info about the situation in different regions from real people. The results are usually positive, but I don’t think the president of a country this size should be involved in solving purely local problems. Russia is not Andorra or Tuvalu, it needs a system of selection of regional officials that does not require interference of central authorities.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Greasy William

    Correction: it was hurricane in Puerto Rica. Disastrous performance of federal authorities in general and FEMA in particular made the consequences last for many months.

  349. @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    Do you know how difficult it is today for a draft age Ukrainian male to leave Ukraine?
     
    From what I've heard it's about a year's annual average wag in Ukraine ($7,500) or more. A middle class or rich person can do it, but a poor person cannot.

    It's comparable to the price of hiring a smuggler to get oneself from Central America to the USA. But the trip to Romania is a lot easier than the trip across the Mexican desert.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    Do you think that the ability to afford a smuggler is a part of the reason as to why the US’s Hispanic homicide rates are much lower than those in Latin America? As in, the US gets the somewhat more well-behaved Hispanics, who are also able to save up more money?

    • Replies: @Miro23
    @Mr. XYZ


    Do you think that the ability to afford a smuggler is a part of the reason as to why the US’s Hispanic homicide rates are much lower than those in Latin America? As in, the US gets the somewhat more well-behaved Hispanics, who are also able to save up more money?
     
    The ones who go to the US want to get away from the violence (not bring it with them)?
  350. @silviosilver
    @AP

    In good times, it seems to work well. People like me, who prefer to downplay their specific ethnic identity (not ignore it or pretend it doesn't exist) and get along with those who are similar to them (while preferring to keep a distance from those who are 'too' different) are happy. But when times get hard, ethnicities become highly problematic fault lines along which societies are constantly at risk of breaking up. Nothing is guaranteed though, so some formula might have been (might still be) found. Latin America seems well past the point that anyone would dream up 'ethnic histories' to divide people with, so the risk that any of them would break up along ethnic lines is probably quite small (perhaps non-existent).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Latin America has much more race mixing than Austria-Hungary had, no?

  351. @Derer
    @Poupon Marx

    Look at the desperation and misery of its people!

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

    YES!! Dressed in rags, despondent, begging and selling their children!! Suffering is rampant because there are TOO MANY CHOICES OF CHEESES, SALAMIES, AND SEAFOOD. This is stress and strain causing depression and free floating anxiety!

  352. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    Yes, Iran is selling drones and North Korea shells, but I doubt they’ll care about my condemnation, nor about anything else the West can still do to them, since they’re already under heavy sanctions anyway.
     
    Yes, so continue your surly criticisms about Ukraine and Ukrainians(and their allies too) who still care about what the world thinks about what's going on within their country.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Yes, so continue your surly criticisms about Ukraine and Ukrainians(and their allies too) who still care about what the world thinks about what’s going on within their country.

    I’m not aware of Ukraine having any “allies”. There are no alliance treaties obligating anybody to come to Ukraine’s aid. Nor (contrary to the “We have to be so thankful to Ukraine’s heroes that they’re killing Russians for US” nonsense LatW is always coming up with) is there any reason to suppose that Ukraine would be willing to fight for anything else than its own narrowly defined national interests.
    What Ukraine has got are benefactors or patrons…whose patience is regularly tested by the insane bs Ukraine’s arrogant, entitled and possibly not quite right in the head leadership comes up with.
    And your attitude is also symptomatic of what pisses me off about so many pro-Ukrainians. I’m not even someone who argues that Western support for Ukraine should be ended, that it shouldn’t matter to us what happens to Ukraine etc. That has never been my position since February 2022. But anything less than unconditional cheerleading for Ukraine (including cultivating the illusion that Ukraine can win a triumphant victory over Russia, which you apparently still cling to, despite all the evidence to the contrary) is just not acceptable for you people. Frankly, you are terrible at coalition building and you have no idea how fed up even otherwise well-meaning Western normies are already becoming with this. If you think a coalition of neocons, woke extremists and Eastern European chauvinists who scream down anyone who doesn’t think “decolonizing” Russia or similar nonsense is a realistic and worthy goal will be enough to ensure long-term support for Ukraine, you’re in for a rude awakening.
    Anyway, despite my harsh comments I wish you all the best for 2024. I’m not taking any pleasure in the pain you feel (understandably enough) about the war in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    including cultivating the illusion that Ukraine can win a triumphant victory over Russia, which you apparently still cling to, despite all the evidence to the contrary) is just not acceptable for you people.
     
    I've never once indicated what a "triumphant victory over Russia" would look like, because quite honestly, I don't really know what that would look like. I've only been a cheer leader for the Ukrainian side of this war and for beating back the malfeasant intruder as much as possible. I have no crystal ball and cannot see into the future. I suspect that our opinions about this war are more similar than dissimilar.
  353. @Beckow
    @German_reader


    What’s that supposed to mean exactly?
     
    Whatever they decide it means...:)

    The assertiveness will not be about geography - there is no appetite for that in Russia. Maybe consolidation with Ukraine-Belarus, very remote possibility with the Baltic. But Berlin and Brest are safe, don't panic.

    Less accommodating Russia will mean that the energy-resources will be guarded, sold only at market prices and used as leverage. In other words the scary talk of "Europe is dependent on Russia! blow up the pipes!!!!" that was not true will turn into exactly that. Europe can buy elsewhere but it will cost us. And the Russian market will be mostly closed. Too bad, it was quite a market, very few like that around the world: top prices, eager customers, and they paid their bills.

    Replies: @German_reader

    very remote possibility with the Baltic

    I sure hope Russia never tries anything there.
    About economic relations…reasonable enough. Couldn’t be otherwise after everything that has happened.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader

    In theory, US troops in Finland make invasion of Baltics way more problematic than before, just as additional German brigade in Lithuania, but in practice political will and resolve to stand the ground is way more important than troop numbers.

    Any imaginary defensive value of NATO goes down the drain the minute when various american qcics go at the helm in US or somebody like Wangenknecht in Germany, so ideally Baltic states should start to build Mannerheim line equivalents at the borders just in case. Sadly, but justified paranoia levels here are not even reaching Scandinavian levels yet, so it is unlikely to be done atm, just as paranoia levels were not enough to build hard borders before Belarus regime started organized sending of third worlders inside:

    https://i.postimg.cc/FRHDnGz6/EU-security.webp

    Replies: @German_reader

  354. @AnonfromTN
    @Poupon Marx


    Of course, Russia today is a hellhole, a reflection of the inability of Russians to organize, produce, and build a great civilization. Look at the desperation and misery of its people:
     
    Now, that’s what Western lugenpresse wants you to believe, many “comrade Oliglvy” stories are invented to make this impression on the uninformed.

    I was annually in Russia in the last several years, for about three weeks on average. It is nothing like that. It’s reasonably well organized, much better than current US. Say, something like New Orleans flood, or Puerto Rico earthquake, or Hawaii fire in Russia would never have become as disastrous as in the US: Russian emergency management agency is orders of magnitude more capable that American FEMA.

    It terms of material wealth, Russians in cities (>80% of the population; don’t know about villages, never been there) are more prosperous than in most European countries. You can see it by what they buy, what restaurants they go to, etc. In addition, you won’t see crowds of culturally incompatible “refugees” in Russia, which now contribute to the demise of Europe and all “blue” American cities. I don’t know where the video you posted was made, won’t be surprised that it was staged, not necessarily even in Russia: there is plenty of Russian-speaking scum in various countries, most poor enough to make a quick buck playing in this kind of video.

    I drove rental car in Russia for many hundreds of kilometers, from Penza to Nizhni Novgorod and back. The roads are in a better shape than today in the US, road services (food, gas, lodging) depend on locality: excellent in some regions, not so good in others.

    Putin formed a pretty impressive team at the federal level. The main weakness of Putin’s power structure is variable quality of regional governors: some are capable people, and their regions are in a very good shape, some are hapless morons only thinking about bribes and thievery (like Ukrainian officials at all levels).

    To a certain extent Putin’s annual multi-hour question-and-answer sessions serve to get the info about the situation in different regions from real people. The results are usually positive, but I don’t think the president of a country this size should be involved in solving purely local problems. Russia is not Andorra or Tuvalu, it needs a system of selection of regional officials that does not require interference of central authorities.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Greasy William

    I regularly speak with a middle class, young man from Moscow metro and he says that Russia fucking sucks. He is a 45 minute commute via train into Moscow and he says that every time he goes into Moscow it has more non whites than it did the previous time (Russians apparently consider people from the Caucasus, even the Armenians, as “non white”).

    He also says that he hasn’t noticed any decline in living standards since the war started. He was freaking out when he got called in to register for the draft but he now appears certain that he won’t be drafted.

    Edit: He also told me that Russians celebrate Christmas on New Years, for some reason. If that’s actually true, Merry Xmas to you and to all the other Russians here

    • Replies: @AP
    @Greasy William

    The impressions you have are correct.

    Russians don’t actually celebrate Christmas on New Years. Rather, the atheist Soviets limited Christmas celebrations and transferred a lot of Christmas traditions to New Years. So there is a “New Years” rather than a Christmas tree, the family gathers together to celebrate New Years, etc. This didn’t happen in Poland, but in Russia which experienced Soviet rule for a longer period of time.

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    I regularly speak with a middle class, young man from Moscow metro and he says that Russia fucking sucks.
     
    I have no doubt that there is a person like that. About 5% of Russian population are libtards, about 2% are even dumb enough to support thieving fool Navalny. Nothing can be done about it: mental disorders are incurable.

    As to real situation, my info is either first-hand (I visit Russia every year for about three weeks at a time, for both business and tourist purposes), or from quite a few friends and relatives living in Russia. My info about the US is from myself – I live in the States from 1991.

    Russia was in very bad shape in the 1990s: crime was rampant, many normal honest people could not afford enough food. Since ~2000 Russia is moving up in terms of order, the look of the cities, the state of inter-city roads, and material well-being of the population. That’s one of the reasons for Putin’s popularity: he brought the country from the brink and made it orderly and prosperous.

    In sharp contrast, the US is visibly declining in everything. The decline was apparent even before it accelerated sharply after libtards stole 2020 elections and put corrupt demented half-corpse into the White House. Shortages of toilet paper, eggs, milk, pasta, etc. during covid psyop reminded me of the last years of the USSR.


    Russians apparently consider people from the Caucasus, even the Armenians, as “non white”
     
    Yes, people from the Caucasus, including racially white Georgians, Armenians, and North Caucasus people, are viewed as non-white, just like migrants from Central Asia. That does not really translate into much, only half-witted nationalists act upon that. There are dozens of Georgian restaurants in Moscow and St Petersburg, staffed by genuine Georgians, and people (myself included) just go there. The very best chain of mid-range restaurants in Moscow serving good food at reasonable prices is Uzbek “Chaihona”, mostly staffed by Uzbeks. Again, they are quite popular, and I can personally attest to the quality of their food and service.

    He also says that he hasn’t noticed any decline in living standards since the war started.
     
    In this he is right, there was none. In fact, by its cleanliness, orderliness, public transportation, and even night illumination of streets and buildings Moscow beats any other city in the world I know, including all European capitals, hands down. Last time I was there in 2022, will visit it in February and see for myself again.

    He was freaking out when he got called in to register for the draft but he now appears certain that he won’t be drafted.
     
    If he never served in the Russian army, his chances of being drafted are as close to zero as makes no difference. In sharp contrast to hapless Ukraine, Russia has no shortage of people voluntarily signing up for the military: half a million signed up in 2023.

    He also told me that Russians celebrate Christmas on New Years
     
    That’s not true. Believers in Russia (like in Ukraine, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, etc.) celebrate Orthodox Christmas, which is on January 7. I only celebrate New Year. I find it ludicrous that the new era (BC) is supposed to start on January 1, marking the birth of Christ, whereas Christmas, ostensibly marking the same event, is celebrated by Catholics (and other churches that split from Catholicism) one week before the New Year, and by Orthodox believers one week after. I think “Credo quia absurdum” is a good summary of Christianity (and every other religion).

    Replies: @Mikhail, @ddok

  355. @Mikel
    @A123

    Wrong. Just like Obama, Trump was duped by the generals into further US involvement. Far from the withdrawal promises of his campaign, Mad Dog Matis convinced him to send an additional 3,000 troops. It wasn't Trump who ended the pointless and costly intervention. It was in fact interventionist Biden who had enough of it and put an end to the misadventure, confronting all the people that Trump had been unable to resist. Under Trump several dozen more Americans died for nothing in that hellhole.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Barbarossa, @LondonBob

    Biden regime withdrew from Afghanistan to focus on the Ukraine.

    • Agree: QCIC
  356. @QCIC
    @Beckow

    I think much of the weaponry on both sides was not used as really intended, so the various failures and successes may be a bit misleading. I think the West thought Russia was weak enough that a partial attack with a large Ukrainian/NATO-interoperable ground force with 'home field advantage' could overcome the Russians despite the limited air capability of the Ukrainians. So close to the border this doesn't really make sense, which is one reason I entertain the notion that Ukraine and the West were planning some sort of blitzkrieg on Crimea which would catch the Russians off guard. This prize could only be held if NATO played some "humanitarian assistance" trick and brought in heavy forces to cement the capture of Crimea and then play nuclear brinksmanship with Russia. I think the Kiev feint was designed to break up this blitzkrieg. Will we ever know what happened?

    The other big factor is that Russia did not use its airpower to immediately destroy ALL of Ukraine's long-range air defenses. This fact makes most sense if Russia wanted to minimize collateral damage and civilian deaths and also WANTED to have a protracted ground war to kill off Ukrainian fighters. This seems to be what they have been doing for at least 15 months.

    If the NATO forces had come in with a well thought out attack using full air and ground power and Russia did as well, the tradeoffs in how well the weapons worked on both sides could be different. Russia would be forced to destroy Ukrainian infrastructure and cities immediately. I think it would rapidly lead to World War Three and nuclear weapons use because the losses on both sides would be enormous from the beginning.

    Replies: @Beckow, @LondonBob

    The NATO strategy was to use stand off missiles, like HIMARs, to decimate Russian forces using ISR targeting. This has been the core NATO doctrine in recent times. This was the entire military rationale for destroying the Istanbul talks, problem is Russian simply started spreading out their forces and Russian anti missile technology was far better than NATO assumed. Since then NATO has been scrambling around clutching at straws, the Russians would run in terror at the sight of Bradleys, there is no strategy now.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @LondonBob

    This seems like a strange strategy since Russia for a long time has various attack missiles such as Iskander and defensive systems such as Pantsir (even all the previous generations) which can credibly take out the NATO standoff missiles either on the ground or in flight. Both sides are vulnerable to Manpads and anti-tank missiles, but Russia may have superior air defenses overall.

    I think the Russian willingness to accept casualties and keep grinding ahead is not easily comprehensible to an American planning a war in some far away land. US planners in 1965 would have understood, but perceptions have shifted. This may be a factor in the various 'war games' they play to plan their tactics.

    I wonder if we have reached the time when most of the senior planners in the US military were raised playing video games extensively?

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

  357. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    Yes, so continue your surly criticisms about Ukraine and Ukrainians(and their allies too) who still care about what the world thinks about what’s going on within their country.
     
    I'm not aware of Ukraine having any "allies". There are no alliance treaties obligating anybody to come to Ukraine's aid. Nor (contrary to the "We have to be so thankful to Ukraine's heroes that they're killing Russians for US" nonsense LatW is always coming up with) is there any reason to suppose that Ukraine would be willing to fight for anything else than its own narrowly defined national interests.
    What Ukraine has got are benefactors or patrons...whose patience is regularly tested by the insane bs Ukraine's arrogant, entitled and possibly not quite right in the head leadership comes up with.
    And your attitude is also symptomatic of what pisses me off about so many pro-Ukrainians. I'm not even someone who argues that Western support for Ukraine should be ended, that it shouldn't matter to us what happens to Ukraine etc. That has never been my position since February 2022. But anything less than unconditional cheerleading for Ukraine (including cultivating the illusion that Ukraine can win a triumphant victory over Russia, which you apparently still cling to, despite all the evidence to the contrary) is just not acceptable for you people. Frankly, you are terrible at coalition building and you have no idea how fed up even otherwise well-meaning Western normies are already becoming with this. If you think a coalition of neocons, woke extremists and Eastern European chauvinists who scream down anyone who doesn't think "decolonizing" Russia or similar nonsense is a realistic and worthy goal will be enough to ensure long-term support for Ukraine, you're in for a rude awakening.
    Anyway, despite my harsh comments I wish you all the best for 2024. I'm not taking any pleasure in the pain you feel (understandably enough) about the war in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    including cultivating the illusion that Ukraine can win a triumphant victory over Russia, which you apparently still cling to, despite all the evidence to the contrary) is just not acceptable for you people.

    I’ve never once indicated what a “triumphant victory over Russia” would look like, because quite honestly, I don’t really know what that would look like. I’ve only been a cheer leader for the Ukrainian side of this war and for beating back the malfeasant intruder as much as possible. I have no crystal ball and cannot see into the future. I suspect that our opinions about this war are more similar than dissimilar.

  358. @Derer
    @A123

    Your invented definition of "kicked out" will not help you. The US military went to Afghanistan to destroy "mean, medieval" Taliban and the Taliban has repelled the invading insect and restore the power in Afghanistan. No matter how you massage (MSM is good at that) the "kicked out" expression, the US military is not there anymore.

    The sad part is that in the USA there is nobody responsible for idiotic decisions (Iraq, Libya) that cause loss of life and the taxpayers money in vain.

    Replies: @A123

    The US military went to Afghanistan to destroy “mean, medieval” Taliban

    Wrong.

    GW sent forces to Afghanistan to hunt for Osama bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders.

    the Taliban has repelled the invading insect

    Wrong again.

    Trump’s administration was negotiating with the largest Taliban factions. U.S. forces were reeled in, limiting them to specific areas. Taliban leadership kept most of the fighters away from those areas. The exceptionally low casualty figures back this up.

    the US military is not there anymore.

    True.

    America has had no national interest or objective there since 2012. Obama should have left back then. It is delusional to believe that the Taliban defeated U.S. troops forcing them out. The reality is that America, admittedly belatedly, chose to bring them home.

    The sad part is that in the USA there is nobody responsible for idiotic decisions

    I concur.

    Gen. Milley should face a firing squad for deliberately mishandling the withdrawal. His treason resulted in the deaths of at least 17 Marines.
    ___

    As a point of English language usage — The phrase “nobody responsible” is not quite right. There are people who are “responsible”, such as Hillary Clinton and Gen. Milley. I believe your intent was to indicate that “nobody is held accountable”.

    PEACE 😇

  359. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    very remote possibility with the Baltic
     
    I sure hope Russia never tries anything there.
    About economic relations...reasonable enough. Couldn't be otherwise after everything that has happened.

    Replies: @sudden death

    In theory, US troops in Finland make invasion of Baltics way more problematic than before, just as additional German brigade in Lithuania, but in practice political will and resolve to stand the ground is way more important than troop numbers.

    Any imaginary defensive value of NATO goes down the drain the minute when various american qcics go at the helm in US or somebody like Wangenknecht in Germany, so ideally Baltic states should start to build Mannerheim line equivalents at the borders just in case. Sadly, but justified paranoia levels here are not even reaching Scandinavian levels yet, so it is unlikely to be done atm, just as paranoia levels were not enough to build hard borders before Belarus regime started organized sending of third worlders inside:

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death


    Any imaginary defensive value of NATO goes down the drain the minute when various american qcics go at the helm in US or somebody like Wangenknecht in Germany
     
    Wagenknecht's party will amount to nothing imo. AfD might be more worrisome from your pov (some of their people are too pro-Russian for my taste as well, though there's a spectrum of views ranging up to outright Atlanticism or views like "NATO is necessary now, but we need to create a European alternative"), but they're locked out from power for the foreseeable future. But yes, I don't think the US is reliable at all anymore. Even possible Trump wins after all. That's why the behaviour of the Baltic states over the last two years strikes me as rather unwise, to put it mildly. All those calls for some sort of final showdown that will permanently put Russia out of action (so antagonizing Russia to the maximum extent), but with no power to back it up, and not even serious attempts to remedy existing deficiencies to the extent that's possible. That could backfire badly.
    Of course there's a general European unseriousness. I don't think Russia really has any serious plans for aggressive designs beyond Ukraine, but the prospect of a combat-experienced and massively expanded Russian army near the EU's borders isn't that appealing, so at least an effort at credible deterrence needs to be made on the European level. But so far not much sign of that.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Beckow

  360. @Poupon Marx
    @AnonfromTN

    Exactly. Putin has been described as honest and sincere since he was a KGB office from those who interacted with him. Also, noted was his deep and complete mastery of the subject matter under negotiation.

    Recently, his 4 HOUR TELEVISED PRESS CONFERENCE WAS A tour de force. I have noted that a manager of a system, business, country, etc, etc, must have two distinct abilities to be maximally effective. One is complete mastery of all technical and physical components and systems, AND the ability to understand, evaluate, perceive strengths, understand personality differences AND then make predictions and assignments to that or those people to follow through and execute. These two abilities in a single persona are relatively rarified. Many technical people are not "people" persons and do not like dealing with the analog natures and vicissitudes of human nature. Putin has mastered both to a high degree of excellence.

    Of course, Russia today is a hellhole, a reflection of the inability of Russians to organize, produce, and build a great civilization. Look at the desperation and misery of its people:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGmL_TrLFWs

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1298802/russia-food-inflation-by-product/

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack

    Even for cherry picking undoubtedly one of the nicest malls in Moscow the day before Christmas, I’m not really impressed with the crowd sizes within this mall. A totally different picture is presented by this Russian blogger:

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    Happy New Year! To you and the others here.

    Celebrated with old Russian friends who have moved to a new city. Watched a small portion of this year’s Russian New Years show - Gazmanov singing “Russia” as unenthusiastic soldiers looked on, followed by the singer Shaman who dyes his hair blonde and tries to look like a cringey Hitler jugend (his narrow eyes betray him) - пиздец, as Russians say.

    Was curious about Putin’s speech this year, but some of the Russians in our company demanded not to watch his rat face (they did not want to see Biden either). I read that Putin did not mention Ukraine by name.

    Met a Russian couple who inquired about my accent when speaking Russian. Was I from Latvia?

    Wished our in-laws in Moscow a happy New Years. No egg shortages in the city. Price went up slightly (maybe 20 rubles for a package) but zero problems finding eggs at Azbuka Vkusa. MIL made the usual olivye salad.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Poupon Marx
    @Mr. Hack

    There are many overt and more subtle signs that this man is a fraud and propagandist. I have viewed several of his broadcast. He is most likely a paid agent from Ukrainian/Jewish propagandists, or a crank with an axe to grind, e.g., member off the Russian Communist Party (it still exists).

    Better a more comprehensive and honest-for the more intelligent, observant, and experienced viewer) are the series of open, walking videos by this Britisher:

    https://www.youtube.com/@TravellingwithRussell

    Whoever you are, your in all probability, lack discernment, intelligence and integrity. A dunce like you should book to Timbuktu ASAP.

  361. @Mr. Hack
    @Poupon Marx

    Even for cherry picking undoubtedly one of the nicest malls in Moscow the day before Christmas, I'm not really impressed with the crowd sizes within this mall. A totally different picture is presented by this Russian blogger:

    https://youtu.be/HxtZsUJzMyw

    Replies: @AP, @Poupon Marx

    Happy New Year! To you and the others here.

    Celebrated with old Russian friends who have moved to a new city. Watched a small portion of this year’s Russian New Years show – Gazmanov singing “Russia” as unenthusiastic soldiers looked on, followed by the singer Shaman who dyes his hair blonde and tries to look like a cringey Hitler jugend (his narrow eyes betray him) – пиздец, as Russians say.

    Was curious about Putin’s speech this year, but some of the Russians in our company demanded not to watch his rat face (they did not want to see Biden either). I read that Putin did not mention Ukraine by name.

    Met a Russian couple who inquired about my accent when speaking Russian. Was I from Latvia?

    Wished our in-laws in Moscow a happy New Years. No egg shortages in the city. Price went up slightly (maybe 20 rubles for a package) but zero problems finding eggs at Azbuka Vkusa. MIL made the usual olivye salad.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    I'm glad to see you back. Even a couple of days without you is difficult for me here - too many kremlin stooges here to take on all by myself. Most of the other pro-Zapadantsi have also decided to wisely slow down and take it easy. I get sucked into this thing and sometimes can't stop. :-)

    Instead of "the usual olivye" salad, I decided to do what my mother would often do: baked chicken and potatoes accompanied with some good and inexpensive American "champagne". For desert, pistachio ice cream and middle eastern cookies filled with dates and walnuts. Hey, we live in a "global village" right? To be fair, I did have some really good Ukie food at church earlier in the day, vinaigrette and even some egg plant ala po-Ukrainski.

    Getting back to the video that I posted by Constantine (my favorite Russian blogger) it was created in December 2023, so it should be filled with very current information. The videos of the egg lines are quite clear and Constantine seems to be an honest Christian man, so I don't think he's trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. Yet there's your account too?...the only thing that makes any sense to me is that the shortage of eggs must be in cities outside of Moscow, and that Moscow is being propped up to keep the local natives there from grumbling. Things are apparently good in Tashkent though, and in Phoenix too. Happy New Year to everybody!

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

  362. @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    I regularly speak with a middle class, young man from Moscow metro and he says that Russia fucking sucks. He is a 45 minute commute via train into Moscow and he says that every time he goes into Moscow it has more non whites than it did the previous time (Russians apparently consider people from the Caucasus, even the Armenians, as "non white").

    He also says that he hasn't noticed any decline in living standards since the war started. He was freaking out when he got called in to register for the draft but he now appears certain that he won't be drafted.

    Edit: He also told me that Russians celebrate Christmas on New Years, for some reason. If that's actually true, Merry Xmas to you and to all the other Russians here

    Replies: @AP, @AnonfromTN

    The impressions you have are correct.

    Russians don’t actually celebrate Christmas on New Years. Rather, the atheist Soviets limited Christmas celebrations and transferred a lot of Christmas traditions to New Years. So there is a “New Years” rather than a Christmas tree, the family gathers together to celebrate New Years, etc. This didn’t happen in Poland, but in Russia which experienced Soviet rule for a longer period of time.

  363. The top three surnames in Sri Lanka are Portuguese, which I find really curious. Assume it is mostly conversions and reflects the fact that surnames were rare there.

    But I wonder why they were rare. Standard story seems to be that they are the result of a centralized state, seeking to collect taxes, and I thought Sri Lanka was sort of that – that they collected taxes which supported the Buddhist monasteries.

    Heard that the Sri Lankan king owned all the land, and I wonder if it is related to that. Would be interesting to see the caste profile of the Portuguese names.

  364. @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    Happy New Year! To you and the others here.

    Celebrated with old Russian friends who have moved to a new city. Watched a small portion of this year’s Russian New Years show - Gazmanov singing “Russia” as unenthusiastic soldiers looked on, followed by the singer Shaman who dyes his hair blonde and tries to look like a cringey Hitler jugend (his narrow eyes betray him) - пиздец, as Russians say.

    Was curious about Putin’s speech this year, but some of the Russians in our company demanded not to watch his rat face (they did not want to see Biden either). I read that Putin did not mention Ukraine by name.

    Met a Russian couple who inquired about my accent when speaking Russian. Was I from Latvia?

    Wished our in-laws in Moscow a happy New Years. No egg shortages in the city. Price went up slightly (maybe 20 rubles for a package) but zero problems finding eggs at Azbuka Vkusa. MIL made the usual olivye salad.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I’m glad to see you back. Even a couple of days without you is difficult for me here – too many kremlin stooges here to take on all by myself. Most of the other pro-Zapadantsi have also decided to wisely slow down and take it easy. I get sucked into this thing and sometimes can’t stop. 🙂

    Instead of “the usual olivye” salad, I decided to do what my mother would often do: baked chicken and potatoes accompanied with some good and inexpensive American “champagne”. For desert, pistachio ice cream and middle eastern cookies filled with dates and walnuts. Hey, we live in a “global village” right? To be fair, I did have some really good Ukie food at church earlier in the day, vinaigrette and even some egg plant ala po-Ukrainski.

    Getting back to the video that I posted by Constantine (my favorite Russian blogger) it was created in December 2023, so it should be filled with very current information. The videos of the egg lines are quite clear and Constantine seems to be an honest Christian man, so I don’t think he’s trying to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes. Yet there’s your account too?…the only thing that makes any sense to me is that the shortage of eggs must be in cities outside of Moscow, and that Moscow is being propped up to keep the local natives there from grumbling. Things are apparently good in Tashkent though, and in Phoenix too. Happy New Year to everybody!

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    Am I to understand that you broke your vow not to currently visit Russia and are in Moscow right now (nobody's perfect, AP)? If you are, Geraldina will be quite jealous of your situation. :-)

    How do the locals view the recent rash of bombings all throughout Ukraine?

    Replies: @AP

    , @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    I’m glad to see you back. Even a couple of days without you is difficult for me here
     
    Thank you. But I’ll be kind of busy the next couple of days.

    The videos of the egg lines are quite clear and Constantine seems to be an honest Christian man, so I don’t think he’s trying to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes. Yet there’s your account too?…the only thing that makes any sense to me is that the shortage of eggs must be in cities outside of Moscow, and that Moscow is being propped up to keep the local natives there from grumbling
     
    This is probably exactly what’s happening.

    Replies: @QCIC

  365. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    I'm glad to see you back. Even a couple of days without you is difficult for me here - too many kremlin stooges here to take on all by myself. Most of the other pro-Zapadantsi have also decided to wisely slow down and take it easy. I get sucked into this thing and sometimes can't stop. :-)

    Instead of "the usual olivye" salad, I decided to do what my mother would often do: baked chicken and potatoes accompanied with some good and inexpensive American "champagne". For desert, pistachio ice cream and middle eastern cookies filled with dates and walnuts. Hey, we live in a "global village" right? To be fair, I did have some really good Ukie food at church earlier in the day, vinaigrette and even some egg plant ala po-Ukrainski.

    Getting back to the video that I posted by Constantine (my favorite Russian blogger) it was created in December 2023, so it should be filled with very current information. The videos of the egg lines are quite clear and Constantine seems to be an honest Christian man, so I don't think he's trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. Yet there's your account too?...the only thing that makes any sense to me is that the shortage of eggs must be in cities outside of Moscow, and that Moscow is being propped up to keep the local natives there from grumbling. Things are apparently good in Tashkent though, and in Phoenix too. Happy New Year to everybody!

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    Am I to understand that you broke your vow not to currently visit Russia and are in Moscow right now (nobody’s perfect, AP)? If you are, Geraldina will be quite jealous of your situation. 🙂

    How do the locals view the recent rash of bombings all throughout Ukraine?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    No, I’m in the USA. Friends of ours moved a few states over and we decided to celebrate at their new house. They already made a lot of new friends whom we met.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Derer

  366. the atheist Soviets limited Christmas celebrations and transferred a lot of Christmas traditions to New Years. So there is a “New Years” rather than a Christmas tree, the family gathers together to celebrate New Years, etc.

    Sounds are even more lame than official USA & Canada with their “holiday trees” and endless references to the generic “holidays”. At least in North America normal people – ie. non-libtards – still, for the most part, refer to “Christmas”, though I suppose with media & corporate brainwashing they’ll eventually be as bad as Russians.

    On another topic – Karlin’s manifesto has made him an object of ridicule. I don’t even follow him on Twitter yet at least half a dozen times yesterday it came up in my feed accompanied by comical remarks and even pity. To make matters worse the manifesto only got people’s attention because a more high profile version of himself, Richard Hanania/Hoste, promoted it. Given the latter’s similar u-turns and increasingly grotesque attempts to ingratiate himself with higher status Jews to avoid being cancelled by endorsing Israel’s genocide in Gaza, this has led to the two socially anxious HBDers, now turned liberals, being lumped together.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Matra


    On another topic – Karlin’s manifesto has made him an object of ridicule.
     
    Started reading it, it does come across as quite unintentionally funny, not least in its pompous self-importance:

    However, the reason I eventually decided to call this an intellectual restructuring rather than an intellectual bankruptcy is that even though much of what I wrote about has ultimately turned out to be either invalidated or “negative value added” in terms of net global welfare – things such as anti-immigration nativism, reactionary anti-Wokeism, and any other form of identitarian or patriotic attachment, including Russian nationalism – there are many interesting and original ideas in my corpus of work about politics, geopolitics, and even psychometrics that stand in isolation and remain relatively unsullied by my prior reactionary biases, to say nothing of my writings on transhumanism and existential risks, which have if anything accrued value now that Future Shock is engulfing the world.

     

    He thinks he's lost about half of his former audience by dropping his right-wing views. Seems rather optimistic to me.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Yevardian
    @Matra


    On another topic – Karlin’s manifesto has made him an object of ridicule. I don’t even follow him on Twitter yet at least half a dozen times yesterday it came up in my feed accompanied by comical remarks and even pity.
     
    I'll try not to punch down (it's in very bad taste), but I'm going to have to check this out. Can you direct for our prurient interest where he's being "ratioed"?

    @German_Reader


    However, the reason I eventually decided to call this an intellectual restructuring rather than an intellectual bankruptcy is that even though much of what I wrote about has ultimately turned out to be either invalidated or “negative value added” in terms of net global welfare – things such as anti-immigration nativism, reactionary anti-Wokeism, and any other form of identitarian or patriotic attachment, including Russian nationalism – there are many interesting and original ideas in my corpus of work about politics, geopolitics, and even psychometrics that stand in isolation and remain relatively unsullied by my prior reactionary biases, to say nothing of my writings on transhumanism and existential risks, which have if anything accrued value now that Future Shock is engulfing the world.
     

     
    Wow. Sometimes I'm self-conscious about throwing around a paragraph with dozens of 10 dollar words when 2-3 simple sentences would do perfectly fine, but this is really something.

    Actually, I finally gave in and started posting on Twitter (disgusting!) a month ago or so, I needed some sort of anonymous release to mouth off a bit, but 4chan is a kid's website and I couldn't take any more Ukraine circle-jerks here. But I've noticed that Mr Hanania probably arouses more rancour and contempt than any other user on RW twitter, betrayal real is the worst sin for most people.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @German_reader

  367. @QCIC
    @Sean

    This not clear at all. The US is very dependent on a constant flow of imports as are China, India and Europe. Worldwide shipping would be at risk in such a war. I think Russia is now less dependent on imports in general and would simply increase flows from China and India if other sources are cut off. Russia's economy depends on maritime shipment for oil revenue but this could be addressed by the inevitable nationalization in a war.

    The USA has an empire and this brings tradeoffs to a war. She has assets around the world but they are tied together by shipping, air travel and satellites all of which are very vulnerable even in a conventional war. The aircraft carrier part of the Navy may be very vulnerable as well. The grave risk is these forces are spread too thin and disconnected from each other. In this case Russia can turn turtle and stay in her shell. If enough US military assets are degraded, the disconnected military pieces of the empire could become vulnerable to local trouble and changing alliances.

    Replies: @Sean

    Leaving Europe to one side, America has a continental economy and its productive capacity in a conventional WW3 fought across the world would be too much for Russia (or China for the moment). Kissinger said when he was brought in to school Reagan, the new president was advised by Kissinger not to use nuclear weapons unless the enemy had already done so.

    Assuming for the sake of argument the Kremlin to be faced with a choice of going nuclear or being forced to withdraw from all Ukraine including Crimea if the Kremlin considers maintaining their status as a great power to be paramount, then why wouldn’t they detonate theatre thermonuclear weapon’ on the battlefield against the Ukrainian army?

    The question is would there be a direct conventional retaliatory strike by the West (US) on a Russia that had already gone nuclear on Ukraine?; no there wouldn’t, whatever they might say the danger of Russia using nukes on a US air force strike would be much too great.

    Russia does not need to worry about losing to Ukraine, at the moment which is the only reason why it is currently unlikely they would do something sodesperate. And by the way, if nukes cannot rescue a conventional situation why NATO doctrine was and is to use nuclear weapons as a last resort to stop a Russian conventional attack succeeding?

    Russians seeing they were losing could do feel they had to use a tactical nuke ot two, and surely Russians would cooperate to do it, if they needed to do so in order to maintain Russia’s status. In other words it might not help them win, but even in defeat they would be a country that had to be taken seriously.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Sean

    In Ukraine, if (or when) NATO decides to come in hard, what will Russia do? I think there are at least two scenarios. In one case, NATO decides to fastidiously avoid strikes on Russian territory. In this scenario I think Russia has some options depending on the size of NATO forces. If NATO decides to strike within Russia then I think Russia might respond with tactical nuclear strikes, perhaps immediately. Avoiding this is a major reason for the proxy war. Both sides would be concerned that the tactical nuclear strikes could escalate to a broader war and possibly strategic nuclear strikes.

    In the first scenario where NATO keeps the combat within Ukraine and perhaps even West of the Dnepr, how might Russia respond? I don't really know. One approach could be to attack Kiev more directly to get a rapid capitulation and dissuade NATO from fighting in Western Ukraine. On the other hand, Poland might stay even if Kiev is lost. If Poland took Western Ukraine out to Vinnytsia and Russia had the rest including Odessa, would Russia care very much? I don't know. If they could get the missiles out of Eastern Europe and agree that Poland would administer the New East Poland as a neutral demilitarized area that might be acceptable. This would give the hardcore Ukie issue to Poland.

    If on the other hand, NATO decides to fight Russia in Ukraine and also threaten from the Baltics and Finland I don't know how this would work. One Russian strategy could be to simply destroy a very major target to get the West to stop and do a mental reset. Many other progressions seem to escalate to widespread nuclear weapons use either right away or gradually with some inevitability. If this sort of escalation begins I don't think the actions of other players such as China are very predictable. If nuclear weapons use seems more likely this might even break up NATO with countries like France wanting to have nothing to do with it.

    Replies: @Sean, @Poupon Marx

  368. I forget what OP it was that Blinky posted that chart of composite European heritage in the Carribean and/or Latin America.

    [MORE]

    But I was going to remark that I thought the result from Haiti was interesting, as it seemed to show more British and Irish ancestry than one would expect, but the sample number seemed to be somewhat low, so I didn’t want to commit to an interpretation.

    At the time I wondered if it could be related to the American occupation of Haiti.

    I don’t know if it is correct or not, but interestingly since then, I have seen people on YouTube reviewing DNA tests sometimes make similar attributions of British and Irish DNA to US occupations, sometimes using maps of troop activity and the time estimates based on the size of the DNA. Not specifically for Haiti, but, for instance for Nicaragua.

    Makes me wonder how big the effects of occupation were. Like how much of the upper castes of Haiti actually have British or Irish DNA.

    When exactly did the percentage of Euro genes stop increasing in Latin America?

    • Replies: @Matra
    @songbird

    Lost White Tribes by Ricardo Orizio has a couple of chapters about whites still in the Caribbean from colonial times but the chapter on Haiti deals exclusively with the descendants of Napoleon's Polish Legionaires, no British/Irish mentioned. IIRC the couple of photos in the book of their descendants indicate they are far more black than white, as one would expect, maybe similar to "coloureds" in South Africa.

  369. @songbird
    I forget what OP it was that Blinky posted that chart of composite European heritage in the Carribean and/or Latin America.

    But I was going to remark that I thought the result from Haiti was interesting, as it seemed to show more British and Irish ancestry than one would expect, but the sample number seemed to be somewhat low, so I didn't want to commit to an interpretation.

    At the time I wondered if it could be related to the American occupation of Haiti.

    I don't know if it is correct or not, but interestingly since then, I have seen people on YouTube reviewing DNA tests sometimes make similar attributions of British and Irish DNA to US occupations, sometimes using maps of troop activity and the time estimates based on the size of the DNA. Not specifically for Haiti, but, for instance for Nicaragua.

    Makes me wonder how big the effects of occupation were. Like how much of the upper castes of Haiti actually have British or Irish DNA.

    When exactly did the percentage of Euro genes stop increasing in Latin America?

    Replies: @Matra

    Lost White Tribes by Ricardo Orizio has a couple of chapters about whites still in the Caribbean from colonial times but the chapter on Haiti deals exclusively with the descendants of Napoleon’s Polish Legionaires, no British/Irish mentioned. IIRC the couple of photos in the book of their descendants indicate they are far more black than white, as one would expect, maybe similar to “coloureds” in South Africa.

    • Thanks: songbird
  370. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @German_reader

    In theory, US troops in Finland make invasion of Baltics way more problematic than before, just as additional German brigade in Lithuania, but in practice political will and resolve to stand the ground is way more important than troop numbers.

    Any imaginary defensive value of NATO goes down the drain the minute when various american qcics go at the helm in US or somebody like Wangenknecht in Germany, so ideally Baltic states should start to build Mannerheim line equivalents at the borders just in case. Sadly, but justified paranoia levels here are not even reaching Scandinavian levels yet, so it is unlikely to be done atm, just as paranoia levels were not enough to build hard borders before Belarus regime started organized sending of third worlders inside:

    https://i.postimg.cc/FRHDnGz6/EU-security.webp

    Replies: @German_reader

    Any imaginary defensive value of NATO goes down the drain the minute when various american qcics go at the helm in US or somebody like Wangenknecht in Germany

    Wagenknecht’s party will amount to nothing imo. AfD might be more worrisome from your pov (some of their people are too pro-Russian for my taste as well, though there’s a spectrum of views ranging up to outright Atlanticism or views like “NATO is necessary now, but we need to create a European alternative”), but they’re locked out from power for the foreseeable future. But yes, I don’t think the US is reliable at all anymore. Even possible Trump wins after all. That’s why the behaviour of the Baltic states over the last two years strikes me as rather unwise, to put it mildly. All those calls for some sort of final showdown that will permanently put Russia out of action (so antagonizing Russia to the maximum extent), but with no power to back it up, and not even serious attempts to remedy existing deficiencies to the extent that’s possible. That could backfire badly.
    Of course there’s a general European unseriousness. I don’t think Russia really has any serious plans for aggressive designs beyond Ukraine, but the prospect of a combat-experienced and massively expanded Russian army near the EU’s borders isn’t that appealing, so at least an effort at credible deterrence needs to be made on the European level. But so far not much sign of that.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @German_reader

    Being on the inside, I do not know what this means. Can you translate?


    ...when various american qcics go at the helm in US...
     
    , @Beckow
    @German_reader

    Our eastern neighbour will be an impoverished, begging-for-handouts rump Ukraine or even Russia. Not good. It is not a fear of war, it is the disruptions caused by people not able to be normal - crazy old guys yelling about injustice on street corners.

    The Ukie narrative is both untrue or over-simplified, Europe is fatally unserious. What kind of deterrence do you have in mind? It is not going to a ground war, why would Russia do that? Random provocations can escalate - like what we see in Kharkov-Belgorod in the last few days. But Nato (EU) or Russia doing a ground invasion is far-fetched.

    The most likely consequence is business gradually leaving for greener pastures - Central Europe (primarily Germany) will be the main victim, but also the Baltics-Finland, above all Ukraine. UK has historically stirred up wars on the continent to act as an offshore safe haven - the same strategy has worked for US. Russia will by necessity turn south and east.

    What was the mad circus good for? Maidan, Nato, Bandera stadiums, clowns and killers. All of this was predicted - yet the morons insisted.

    Replies: @German_reader

  371. @LondonBob
    @QCIC

    The NATO strategy was to use stand off missiles, like HIMARs, to decimate Russian forces using ISR targeting. This has been the core NATO doctrine in recent times. This was the entire military rationale for destroying the Istanbul talks, problem is Russian simply started spreading out their forces and Russian anti missile technology was far better than NATO assumed. Since then NATO has been scrambling around clutching at straws, the Russians would run in terror at the sight of Bradleys, there is no strategy now.

    Replies: @QCIC

    This seems like a strange strategy since Russia for a long time has various attack missiles such as Iskander and defensive systems such as Pantsir (even all the previous generations) which can credibly take out the NATO standoff missiles either on the ground or in flight. Both sides are vulnerable to Manpads and anti-tank missiles, but Russia may have superior air defenses overall.

    I think the Russian willingness to accept casualties and keep grinding ahead is not easily comprehensible to an American planning a war in some far away land. US planners in 1965 would have understood, but perceptions have shifted. This may be a factor in the various ‘war games’ they play to plan their tactics.

    I wonder if we have reached the time when most of the senior planners in the US military were raised playing video games extensively?

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    @QCIC


    I wonder if we have reached the time when most of the senior planners in the US military were raised playing video games extensively?
     
    Hmmmm....Very likely, these 4 straw generals (guffaw!!) spend way too much time masturbating, thus causing an excess of blood to divert and accumulate in their Small Heads, leaving inadequate supply for the Big Head.

    Of course, in the Jewed Nighted Stasis, a paucity of brain power and synapse quantity and quality was a disadvantage inherently.
  372. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Do you think that the ability to afford a smuggler is a part of the reason as to why the US's Hispanic homicide rates are much lower than those in Latin America? As in, the US gets the somewhat more well-behaved Hispanics, who are also able to save up more money?

    Replies: @Miro23

    Do you think that the ability to afford a smuggler is a part of the reason as to why the US’s Hispanic homicide rates are much lower than those in Latin America? As in, the US gets the somewhat more well-behaved Hispanics, who are also able to save up more money?

    The ones who go to the US want to get away from the violence (not bring it with them)?

  373. German_reader says:
    @Matra
    the atheist Soviets limited Christmas celebrations and transferred a lot of Christmas traditions to New Years. So there is a “New Years” rather than a Christmas tree, the family gathers together to celebrate New Years, etc.

    Sounds are even more lame than official USA & Canada with their "holiday trees" and endless references to the generic "holidays". At least in North America normal people - ie. non-libtards - still, for the most part, refer to "Christmas", though I suppose with media & corporate brainwashing they'll eventually be as bad as Russians.

    On another topic - Karlin's manifesto has made him an object of ridicule. I don't even follow him on Twitter yet at least half a dozen times yesterday it came up in my feed accompanied by comical remarks and even pity. To make matters worse the manifesto only got people's attention because a more high profile version of himself, Richard Hanania/Hoste, promoted it. Given the latter's similar u-turns and increasingly grotesque attempts to ingratiate himself with higher status Jews to avoid being cancelled by endorsing Israel's genocide in Gaza, this has led to the two socially anxious HBDers, now turned liberals, being lumped together.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yevardian

    On another topic – Karlin’s manifesto has made him an object of ridicule.

    Started reading it, it does come across as quite unintentionally funny, not least in its pompous self-importance:

    However, the reason I eventually decided to call this an intellectual restructuring rather than an intellectual bankruptcy is that even though much of what I wrote about has ultimately turned out to be either invalidated or “negative value added” in terms of net global welfare – things such as anti-immigration nativism, reactionary anti-Wokeism, and any other form of identitarian or patriotic attachment, including Russian nationalism – there are many interesting and original ideas in my corpus of work about politics, geopolitics, and even psychometrics that stand in isolation and remain relatively unsullied by my prior reactionary biases, to say nothing of my writings on transhumanism and existential risks, which have if anything accrued value now that Future Shock is engulfing the world.

    He thinks he’s lost about half of his former audience by dropping his right-wing views. Seems rather optimistic to me.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader

    The half of his opinions he trashed were the only ones with any validity.

    HOW F-N' STUPID IS THAT?

    I'll tell you. It is very very f-n' stupid.

    The tran-human-network-state ain't flying. Nobody is going to Mars. Artificial intelligence is a finance bubble. The NSA invented Bitcoin and the IRS knows where they all are and will take them away if they feel like it.

    Negroes suck at taking IQ tests. That is the one element they got right. Congratulations. Every twelve year old has had this figured out since around 1990 if not earlier.

    https://www.amazon.com/Popular-Mechanics-Wonderful-Future-Never/dp/1588169758

    It's going to be a Year of Dragon year!

    https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/komodo.jpeg

  374. @Greasy William
    @AnonfromTN

    I regularly speak with a middle class, young man from Moscow metro and he says that Russia fucking sucks. He is a 45 minute commute via train into Moscow and he says that every time he goes into Moscow it has more non whites than it did the previous time (Russians apparently consider people from the Caucasus, even the Armenians, as "non white").

    He also says that he hasn't noticed any decline in living standards since the war started. He was freaking out when he got called in to register for the draft but he now appears certain that he won't be drafted.

    Edit: He also told me that Russians celebrate Christmas on New Years, for some reason. If that's actually true, Merry Xmas to you and to all the other Russians here

    Replies: @AP, @AnonfromTN

    I regularly speak with a middle class, young man from Moscow metro and he says that Russia fucking sucks.

    I have no doubt that there is a person like that. About 5% of Russian population are libtards, about 2% are even dumb enough to support thieving fool Navalny. Nothing can be done about it: mental disorders are incurable.

    As to real situation, my info is either first-hand (I visit Russia every year for about three weeks at a time, for both business and tourist purposes), or from quite a few friends and relatives living in Russia. My info about the US is from myself – I live in the States from 1991.

    Russia was in very bad shape in the 1990s: crime was rampant, many normal honest people could not afford enough food. Since ~2000 Russia is moving up in terms of order, the look of the cities, the state of inter-city roads, and material well-being of the population. That’s one of the reasons for Putin’s popularity: he brought the country from the brink and made it orderly and prosperous.

    In sharp contrast, the US is visibly declining in everything. The decline was apparent even before it accelerated sharply after libtards stole 2020 elections and put corrupt demented half-corpse into the White House. Shortages of toilet paper, eggs, milk, pasta, etc. during covid psyop reminded me of the last years of the USSR.

    Russians apparently consider people from the Caucasus, even the Armenians, as “non white”

    Yes, people from the Caucasus, including racially white Georgians, Armenians, and North Caucasus people, are viewed as non-white, just like migrants from Central Asia. That does not really translate into much, only half-witted nationalists act upon that. There are dozens of Georgian restaurants in Moscow and St Petersburg, staffed by genuine Georgians, and people (myself included) just go there. The very best chain of mid-range restaurants in Moscow serving good food at reasonable prices is Uzbek “Chaihona”, mostly staffed by Uzbeks. Again, they are quite popular, and I can personally attest to the quality of their food and service.

    He also says that he hasn’t noticed any decline in living standards since the war started.

    In this he is right, there was none. In fact, by its cleanliness, orderliness, public transportation, and even night illumination of streets and buildings Moscow beats any other city in the world I know, including all European capitals, hands down. Last time I was there in 2022, will visit it in February and see for myself again.

    He was freaking out when he got called in to register for the draft but he now appears certain that he won’t be drafted.

    If he never served in the Russian army, his chances of being drafted are as close to zero as makes no difference. In sharp contrast to hapless Ukraine, Russia has no shortage of people voluntarily signing up for the military: half a million signed up in 2023.

    He also told me that Russians celebrate Christmas on New Years

    That’s not true. Believers in Russia (like in Ukraine, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, etc.) celebrate Orthodox Christmas, which is on January 7. I only celebrate New Year. I find it ludicrous that the new era (BC) is supposed to start on January 1, marking the birth of Christ, whereas Christmas, ostensibly marking the same event, is celebrated by Catholics (and other churches that split from Catholicism) one week before the New Year, and by Orthodox believers one week after. I think “Credo quia absurdum” is a good summary of Christianity (and every other religion).

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AnonfromTN

    Interesting how Christmas decorations in the US start going up about a month before Roman Catholic/Protestant Christmas but start coming down at or even before January 1. There're 12 days in Christmas plus those observing on the old calendar which comes later.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @ddok
    @AnonfromTN

    Believers in Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Cyprus, Constantinople (mostly since the 1920's) and from this year Ukraine celebrate Christmas on December 25th, according to the Revised Julian calendar.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  375. @Sean
    @QCIC

    Leaving Europe to one side, America has a continental economy and its productive capacity in a conventional WW3 fought across the world would be too much for Russia (or China for the moment). Kissinger said when he was brought in to school Reagan, the new president was advised by Kissinger not to use nuclear weapons unless the enemy had already done so.

    Assuming for the sake of argument the Kremlin to be faced with a choice of going nuclear or being forced to withdraw from all Ukraine including Crimea if the Kremlin considers maintaining their status as a great power to be paramount, then why wouldn't they detonate theatre thermonuclear weapon' on the battlefield against the Ukrainian army?

    The question is would there be a direct conventional retaliatory strike by the West (US) on a Russia that had already gone nuclear on Ukraine?; no there wouldn't, whatever they might say the danger of Russia using nukes on a US air force strike would be much too great.

    Russia does not need to worry about losing to Ukraine, at the moment which is the only reason why it is currently unlikely they would do something sodesperate. And by the way, if nukes cannot rescue a conventional situation why NATO doctrine was and is to use nuclear weapons as a last resort to stop a Russian conventional attack succeeding?

    Russians seeing they were losing could do feel they had to use a tactical nuke ot two, and surely Russians would cooperate to do it, if they needed to do so in order to maintain Russia's status. In other words it might not help them win, but even in defeat they would be a country that had to be taken seriously.

    Replies: @QCIC

    In Ukraine, if (or when) NATO decides to come in hard, what will Russia do? I think there are at least two scenarios. In one case, NATO decides to fastidiously avoid strikes on Russian territory. In this scenario I think Russia has some options depending on the size of NATO forces. If NATO decides to strike within Russia then I think Russia might respond with tactical nuclear strikes, perhaps immediately. Avoiding this is a major reason for the proxy war. Both sides would be concerned that the tactical nuclear strikes could escalate to a broader war and possibly strategic nuclear strikes.

    In the first scenario where NATO keeps the combat within Ukraine and perhaps even West of the Dnepr, how might Russia respond? I don’t really know. One approach could be to attack Kiev more directly to get a rapid capitulation and dissuade NATO from fighting in Western Ukraine. On the other hand, Poland might stay even if Kiev is lost. If Poland took Western Ukraine out to Vinnytsia and Russia had the rest including Odessa, would Russia care very much? I don’t know. If they could get the missiles out of Eastern Europe and agree that Poland would administer the New East Poland as a neutral demilitarized area that might be acceptable. This would give the hardcore Ukie issue to Poland.

    If on the other hand, NATO decides to fight Russia in Ukraine and also threaten from the Baltics and Finland I don’t know how this would work. One Russian strategy could be to simply destroy a very major target to get the West to stop and do a mental reset. Many other progressions seem to escalate to widespread nuclear weapons use either right away or gradually with some inevitability. If this sort of escalation begins I don’t think the actions of other players such as China are very predictable. If nuclear weapons use seems more likely this might even break up NATO with countries like France wanting to have nothing to do with it.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @QCIC

    America would not get into direct combat with the Russians after Russian theatre thermonuclear use on a battlefield in Ukraine. I think talk about US conventional retaliation against the Russian army in Ukraine is cheap but once the Russians had actuall gone nuclear against Ukraine the chances of them going nuclear against the US army and air force conventional retaliation would be orders of magnitude greater. When you have gone nuclear you have crossed the Rubicon and gone nuclear for good and everyone knows it. Perhaps the Russians ought to have gone nuclear already.

    , @Poupon Marx
    @QCIC

    I lost count of the "I don't knows" of your comment. What's the point in expressing an opinion, then?
    My immediate impression is that these null statements could be resolved if you had read and delved into the opinions and observations of people that DO KNOW, or have a high degree of CERTAINTY, because of time, profession, experience, contacts, and deep curiosity.

    Reading you idle speculation-based on nothing material to support it or reference-puts you in a bad light, namely being lazy, being satisfied with superficial airline magazine type information. Is this all you are capable of? Chiffon and Kool Whip?

    Hey Sports Fans. Check these out:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni2zSq5maY4

    Not quite as exciting as "Blackest Ball", but interesting nonetheless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12gK_2hGo7I

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5lnQlxBKcs

    And now back to our regular progamming, "Git dat ball!"

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC

  376. @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    Am I to understand that you broke your vow not to currently visit Russia and are in Moscow right now (nobody's perfect, AP)? If you are, Geraldina will be quite jealous of your situation. :-)

    How do the locals view the recent rash of bombings all throughout Ukraine?

    Replies: @AP

    No, I’m in the USA. Friends of ours moved a few states over and we decided to celebrate at their new house. They already made a lot of new friends whom we met.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Have fun on your trip! Running back and forth to your lap top every half hour to check the comments section here would indeed seem rather strange to your hoste and family. Geraldina can one again sigh a sense of relief on hearing the news that you're not in Moscow. :-)

    , @Derer
    @AP

    You forgot to add the dual citizenship status. Is it identical to XYZ?

  377. @Mr. Hack
    @Poupon Marx

    Even for cherry picking undoubtedly one of the nicest malls in Moscow the day before Christmas, I'm not really impressed with the crowd sizes within this mall. A totally different picture is presented by this Russian blogger:

    https://youtu.be/HxtZsUJzMyw

    Replies: @AP, @Poupon Marx

    There are many overt and more subtle signs that this man is a fraud and propagandist. I have viewed several of his broadcast. He is most likely a paid agent from Ukrainian/Jewish propagandists, or a crank with an axe to grind, e.g., member off the Russian Communist Party (it still exists).

    Better a more comprehensive and honest-for the more intelligent, observant, and experienced viewer) are the series of open, walking videos by this Britisher:

    https://www.youtube.com/@TravellingwithRussell

    Whoever you are, your in all probability, lack discernment, intelligence and integrity. A dunce like you should book to Timbuktu ASAP.

    • Troll: Mr. Hack
  378. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    I'm glad to see you back. Even a couple of days without you is difficult for me here - too many kremlin stooges here to take on all by myself. Most of the other pro-Zapadantsi have also decided to wisely slow down and take it easy. I get sucked into this thing and sometimes can't stop. :-)

    Instead of "the usual olivye" salad, I decided to do what my mother would often do: baked chicken and potatoes accompanied with some good and inexpensive American "champagne". For desert, pistachio ice cream and middle eastern cookies filled with dates and walnuts. Hey, we live in a "global village" right? To be fair, I did have some really good Ukie food at church earlier in the day, vinaigrette and even some egg plant ala po-Ukrainski.

    Getting back to the video that I posted by Constantine (my favorite Russian blogger) it was created in December 2023, so it should be filled with very current information. The videos of the egg lines are quite clear and Constantine seems to be an honest Christian man, so I don't think he's trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. Yet there's your account too?...the only thing that makes any sense to me is that the shortage of eggs must be in cities outside of Moscow, and that Moscow is being propped up to keep the local natives there from grumbling. Things are apparently good in Tashkent though, and in Phoenix too. Happy New Year to everybody!

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    I’m glad to see you back. Even a couple of days without you is difficult for me here

    Thank you. But I’ll be kind of busy the next couple of days.

    The videos of the egg lines are quite clear and Constantine seems to be an honest Christian man, so I don’t think he’s trying to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes. Yet there’s your account too?…the only thing that makes any sense to me is that the shortage of eggs must be in cities outside of Moscow, and that Moscow is being propped up to keep the local natives there from grumbling

    This is probably exactly what’s happening.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    Sounds like a market process. More eggs can be sold at the higher price in Moscow so more of them are shipped there. There are fewer in the less prosperous smaller cities and towns not simply because these folks have been cheated for PR reasons, rather because the residents have less money to spend on eggs. The complaint about availability may be as much a complaint about price. In other words more eggs might not be sold at the higher price in the less prosperous regions, even if they were made available.

    I realize the Russian economy is no more free that the mixed economies in the West, especially since Russia is fighting an SMO. Nonetheless, market forces play an important role in supply and demand and price.

    The good news is this process probably induces more people in the hinterlands to raise their own chickens on a small scale.

    Let's get 2024 off to a good start:

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PeAsWZW876c

  379. A four-year old girl badly wounded by Ukie attack on Belgorod has died in hospital.

    This attack was such a heinous crime that even usually toothless and spineless UN condemned it, while the US State Department hypocritically said that the US does not encourage attacks like that.

    Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova called Ukies terrorist animals. I think she was too polite, and her comparison with the Ukie scum unjustifiably offended animals.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    A four-year old girl badly wounded by Ukie attack on Belgorod has died in hospital.
     
    Very sad news indeed. Just think of all of the little children, in both Russia and Ukraine, that would still be alive today and enjoy having both parents, if Putler hadn't fomented this senseless slaughter?...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    A four-year old girl badly wounded by Ukie attack on Belgorod has died in hospital.
     
    Horrible. Another victim of Putin's war. He certainly has a lot of Ukrainian and Russian blood on his hands.

    Most of the damage to civilian areas in Belgorod like much of the damage to civilian areas in Ukraine. was caused by defense missiles or by debris from shot down missiles (see after "more"). It's funny to see you claim that somehow it is very different depending on which civilians are killed. All Ukrainian civilians are killed by Ukrainian anti-aircraft weapons but all Russian civilians are killed deliberately by the Ukrainians.

    But since you like jokes:

    https://i.imgur.com/wW6xvQ8.png



    https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1742497910510538907?s=20

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

  380. @German_reader
    @Matra


    On another topic – Karlin’s manifesto has made him an object of ridicule.
     
    Started reading it, it does come across as quite unintentionally funny, not least in its pompous self-importance:

    However, the reason I eventually decided to call this an intellectual restructuring rather than an intellectual bankruptcy is that even though much of what I wrote about has ultimately turned out to be either invalidated or “negative value added” in terms of net global welfare – things such as anti-immigration nativism, reactionary anti-Wokeism, and any other form of identitarian or patriotic attachment, including Russian nationalism – there are many interesting and original ideas in my corpus of work about politics, geopolitics, and even psychometrics that stand in isolation and remain relatively unsullied by my prior reactionary biases, to say nothing of my writings on transhumanism and existential risks, which have if anything accrued value now that Future Shock is engulfing the world.

     

    He thinks he's lost about half of his former audience by dropping his right-wing views. Seems rather optimistic to me.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The half of his opinions he trashed were the only ones with any validity.

    HOW F-N’ STUPID IS THAT?

    I’ll tell you. It is very very f-n’ stupid.

    The tran-human-network-state ain’t flying. Nobody is going to Mars. Artificial intelligence is a finance bubble. The NSA invented Bitcoin and the IRS knows where they all are and will take them away if they feel like it.

    Negroes suck at taking IQ tests. That is the one element they got right. Congratulations. Every twelve year old has had this figured out since around 1990 if not earlier.

    It’s going to be a Year of Dragon year!

  381. @German_reader
    @sudden death


    Any imaginary defensive value of NATO goes down the drain the minute when various american qcics go at the helm in US or somebody like Wangenknecht in Germany
     
    Wagenknecht's party will amount to nothing imo. AfD might be more worrisome from your pov (some of their people are too pro-Russian for my taste as well, though there's a spectrum of views ranging up to outright Atlanticism or views like "NATO is necessary now, but we need to create a European alternative"), but they're locked out from power for the foreseeable future. But yes, I don't think the US is reliable at all anymore. Even possible Trump wins after all. That's why the behaviour of the Baltic states over the last two years strikes me as rather unwise, to put it mildly. All those calls for some sort of final showdown that will permanently put Russia out of action (so antagonizing Russia to the maximum extent), but with no power to back it up, and not even serious attempts to remedy existing deficiencies to the extent that's possible. That could backfire badly.
    Of course there's a general European unseriousness. I don't think Russia really has any serious plans for aggressive designs beyond Ukraine, but the prospect of a combat-experienced and massively expanded Russian army near the EU's borders isn't that appealing, so at least an effort at credible deterrence needs to be made on the European level. But so far not much sign of that.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Beckow

    Being on the inside, I do not know what this means. Can you translate?

    …when various american qcics go at the helm in US…

  382. @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    No, I’m in the USA. Friends of ours moved a few states over and we decided to celebrate at their new house. They already made a lot of new friends whom we met.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Derer

    Have fun on your trip! Running back and forth to your lap top every half hour to check the comments section here would indeed seem rather strange to your hoste and family. Geraldina can one again sigh a sense of relief on hearing the news that you’re not in Moscow. 🙂

  383. @German_reader
    @sudden death


    Any imaginary defensive value of NATO goes down the drain the minute when various american qcics go at the helm in US or somebody like Wangenknecht in Germany
     
    Wagenknecht's party will amount to nothing imo. AfD might be more worrisome from your pov (some of their people are too pro-Russian for my taste as well, though there's a spectrum of views ranging up to outright Atlanticism or views like "NATO is necessary now, but we need to create a European alternative"), but they're locked out from power for the foreseeable future. But yes, I don't think the US is reliable at all anymore. Even possible Trump wins after all. That's why the behaviour of the Baltic states over the last two years strikes me as rather unwise, to put it mildly. All those calls for some sort of final showdown that will permanently put Russia out of action (so antagonizing Russia to the maximum extent), but with no power to back it up, and not even serious attempts to remedy existing deficiencies to the extent that's possible. That could backfire badly.
    Of course there's a general European unseriousness. I don't think Russia really has any serious plans for aggressive designs beyond Ukraine, but the prospect of a combat-experienced and massively expanded Russian army near the EU's borders isn't that appealing, so at least an effort at credible deterrence needs to be made on the European level. But so far not much sign of that.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Beckow

    Our eastern neighbour will be an impoverished, begging-for-handouts rump Ukraine or even Russia. Not good. It is not a fear of war, it is the disruptions caused by people not able to be normal – crazy old guys yelling about injustice on street corners.

    The Ukie narrative is both untrue or over-simplified, Europe is fatally unserious. What kind of deterrence do you have in mind? It is not going to a ground war, why would Russia do that? Random provocations can escalate – like what we see in Kharkov-Belgorod in the last few days. But Nato (EU) or Russia doing a ground invasion is far-fetched.

    The most likely consequence is business gradually leaving for greener pastures – Central Europe (primarily Germany) will be the main victim, but also the Baltics-Finland, above all Ukraine. UK has historically stirred up wars on the continent to act as an offshore safe haven – the same strategy has worked for US. Russia will by necessity turn south and east.

    What was the mad circus good for? Maidan, Nato, Bandera stadiums, clowns and killers. All of this was predicted – yet the morons insisted.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow


    What kind of deterrence do you have in mind?
     
    Ideally not something at the same level as during the Cold War, nobody in his right mind would want to go back to the crazy levels of armaments present in central Europe back then. But enough for plausible deterrence, just so nobody in Russia gets stupid ideas (as I wrote above, I don't think there are really any serious plans in Russia for aggressive moves beyond Ukraine, but one can never know). So maybe some sort of partial conscription again. But of course one also doesn't want to enter into some uncontrolled arms race either, so it's a delicate balance. Ideally it would also be paired with an attempt to create at least a tolerable modus vivendi with Russia again, from a position of strength.
    There's also the nuclear issue. imo a nuclear deterrent might also be necessary. Not just against Russia btw, but possibly also for other eventualities. But there's lots of issues here too. Germany can't just build nukes on its own (even assuming it still has the necessary expertise, which is far from clear), it's banned from doing so as a signatory of the NPT, and nobody would want Germans to be in sole control of nukes...so it would have to be some sort of European deterrent. But how to organize that? Who would be in control? Would France be willing to share its nuclear weapons?

    Anyway, this is probably just fantasy. I think your negative prediction is likely to be correct. Europe will probably just continue to get ever poorer, weaker and more irrelevant.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

  384. @AnonfromTN
    A four-year old girl badly wounded by Ukie attack on Belgorod has died in hospital.

    This attack was such a heinous crime that even usually toothless and spineless UN condemned it, while the US State Department hypocritically said that the US does not encourage attacks like that.

    Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova called Ukies terrorist animals. I think she was too polite, and her comparison with the Ukie scum unjustifiably offended animals.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    A four-year old girl badly wounded by Ukie attack on Belgorod has died in hospital.

    Very sad news indeed. Just think of all of the little children, in both Russia and Ukraine, that would still be alive today and enjoy having both parents, if Putler hadn’t fomented this senseless slaughter?…

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    Just think of all of the little children, in both Russia and Ukraine, that would still be alive today and enjoy having both parents, if Putler hadn’t fomented this senseless slaughter?…
     
    In Russia there is a poem mocking the habit of libtards and Western MSM to blame everything on Putin.

    It has these lines:
    Пью, курю, и не женат
    Это Путин виноват

    And these:
    Кошка бросила котят
    Это Путин виноват

    Translation:
    I drink, I smoke, and I am single
    Putin is to blame for that
    And
    The cat abandoned her kittens
    Putin is to blame for that
    (sorry, the rhymes are gone in my translation)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  385. Also for some reason I forgot to add. Genetic science is not yet much more than a Ball of Confusion. If they had a hundredth of the valid results they publish claims to, the Chinks would already have a biological weapon to kill all the Jews and they would have used it.

  386. @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    I’m glad to see you back. Even a couple of days without you is difficult for me here
     
    Thank you. But I’ll be kind of busy the next couple of days.

    The videos of the egg lines are quite clear and Constantine seems to be an honest Christian man, so I don’t think he’s trying to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes. Yet there’s your account too?…the only thing that makes any sense to me is that the shortage of eggs must be in cities outside of Moscow, and that Moscow is being propped up to keep the local natives there from grumbling
     
    This is probably exactly what’s happening.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Sounds like a market process. More eggs can be sold at the higher price in Moscow so more of them are shipped there. There are fewer in the less prosperous smaller cities and towns not simply because these folks have been cheated for PR reasons, rather because the residents have less money to spend on eggs. The complaint about availability may be as much a complaint about price. In other words more eggs might not be sold at the higher price in the less prosperous regions, even if they were made available.

    I realize the Russian economy is no more free that the mixed economies in the West, especially since Russia is fighting an SMO. Nonetheless, market forces play an important role in supply and demand and price.

    The good news is this process probably induces more people in the hinterlands to raise their own chickens on a small scale.

    Let’s get 2024 off to a good start:

  387. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @German_reader

    Our eastern neighbour will be an impoverished, begging-for-handouts rump Ukraine or even Russia. Not good. It is not a fear of war, it is the disruptions caused by people not able to be normal - crazy old guys yelling about injustice on street corners.

    The Ukie narrative is both untrue or over-simplified, Europe is fatally unserious. What kind of deterrence do you have in mind? It is not going to a ground war, why would Russia do that? Random provocations can escalate - like what we see in Kharkov-Belgorod in the last few days. But Nato (EU) or Russia doing a ground invasion is far-fetched.

    The most likely consequence is business gradually leaving for greener pastures - Central Europe (primarily Germany) will be the main victim, but also the Baltics-Finland, above all Ukraine. UK has historically stirred up wars on the continent to act as an offshore safe haven - the same strategy has worked for US. Russia will by necessity turn south and east.

    What was the mad circus good for? Maidan, Nato, Bandera stadiums, clowns and killers. All of this was predicted - yet the morons insisted.

    Replies: @German_reader

    What kind of deterrence do you have in mind?

    Ideally not something at the same level as during the Cold War, nobody in his right mind would want to go back to the crazy levels of armaments present in central Europe back then. But enough for plausible deterrence, just so nobody in Russia gets stupid ideas (as I wrote above, I don’t think there are really any serious plans in Russia for aggressive moves beyond Ukraine, but one can never know). So maybe some sort of partial conscription again. But of course one also doesn’t want to enter into some uncontrolled arms race either, so it’s a delicate balance. Ideally it would also be paired with an attempt to create at least a tolerable modus vivendi with Russia again, from a position of strength.
    There’s also the nuclear issue. imo a nuclear deterrent might also be necessary. Not just against Russia btw, but possibly also for other eventualities. But there’s lots of issues here too. Germany can’t just build nukes on its own (even assuming it still has the necessary expertise, which is far from clear), it’s banned from doing so as a signatory of the NPT, and nobody would want Germans to be in sole control of nukes…so it would have to be some sort of European deterrent. But how to organize that? Who would be in control? Would France be willing to share its nuclear weapons?

    Anyway, this is probably just fantasy. I think your negative prediction is likely to be correct. Europe will probably just continue to get ever poorer, weaker and more irrelevant.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...paired with an attempt to create at least a tolerable modus vivendi with Russia again, from a position of strength.
     
    That eventually always happens - after the hot heads in London, Brussels, Warsaw, Riga cool down. Any modus vivendi will require a roughly equal positions of strength. Europe has today a deep, society-wide unwillingness to treat Russia as an equal - revulsion in many people, in their faces there is barely hidden contorted hatred. This will take a while - we can shortcut it with nukes to equalize it.

    There is no such thing as a restricted arms race - in any race the dynamic of more is unstoppable. We have basically f..ed up Europe for years - especially the Center-East. Any alternative now is much worse for all the main players than the status quo ante (say in 2013). It is the usual middle-of-the-war realization that everyone is worse off.

    Let's be honest about the recent past:
    - Maidan was entertaining but a mistake - they should had waited for the election
    - Expanding Nato to Ukraine was a catastrophic mistake - whether it was only talk or real, makes little difference now
    - EU not holding Kiev accountable to its standards (language, corruption...) was a mistake - kind of a swan song for Brussels preaching about "European values".

    There were other mistakes: giving the ethno-Nazis in Ukraine free hand: Odessa massacre, bombing of Donbas, Russia sitting back too long hoping to avoid the inevitable, Merkel-Hollande gaming the Minsk deal and then boasting about it...And the Polish-Baltic again descended into irrationality with the Finns deciding to join in again after chilling for 75 years.

    Germany has played a very destructive role by not being conscious of its own self-interest. Yeah, we are kind of f..ed...maybe a miracle?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Polish nuclear weapons could be viewed as a good alternative to German nuclear weapons, if Poland would actually exit the NPT, no? Of course, Russia would probably be more paranoid about Polish nukes than about German nukes due to greater Polish historical hostility towards Russia in comparison to German historical hostility towards Russia, the WWII time period being excluded, of course.

    Replies: @Beckow

  388. One of the Russian UAVs in Lvov hit the museum of Shukhevych (Hauptmann; deputy commander of SS Nachtigal battalion in WWII). The museum burnt down. Because Ukie OUN murdered lots of Polish civilians during WWII, Poles in their comments rejoice (comments like “Bravo, Vladimir” “It’s very good to fuck banderite scum”, etc.). The university where Bandera studied was hit by another Russian UAV.

  389. German_reader says:

    From Karlin’s manifesto:

    More speculatively, public acceptance of LGBTQ+ rights accelerates the Biosingularity insofar as it suppresses natural disgust reflexes that might otherwise slow it down and harm net global welfare. This is important, because the Biosingularity is innately much safer than developing silicon-based superintelligence, but it also has a “yuck” factor that sterile silicon does not. Therefore, there might even be an existential risks case for pushing LGBTQ+ maximalism insofar as it inures normies to body horror. The biosingularitarian future will in any case have more interesting ethical conundrums such as sexual relations between radically rejuvenated humans or between humans and consenting uplifted animals.

    • LOL: Yevardian
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader

    In Strugatsky brothers’ Soviet era novel “Monday starts on Saturday” there was a book “Writings of mentally ill”. Sounds like an excerpt from that book.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Well, if sex between humans and hypothetical super-smart aliens is fair game, why not this as well? At least if these animals will be as smart as human adults are?

    AI androids that look like children could also allow for an ethical form of "child prostitution" since it won't be real children involved but simply AI androids that look and act like children. Nowadays, you have Shi'a clerics in Iraq pimping actual underage girls; wouldn't it be great if they used similar-looking AI androids for this instead?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5ZqEWSeKj4

    I suppose that these AI androids could be designed as adults with extremely childlike personalities and with a pituitary gland disorder that prevented them from growing to adult size in order to make these AI androids even more ethical.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel

  390. @German_reader
    From Karlin's manifesto:

    More speculatively, public acceptance of LGBTQ+ rights accelerates the Biosingularity insofar as it suppresses natural disgust reflexes that might otherwise slow it down and harm net global welfare. This is important, because the Biosingularity is innately much safer than developing silicon-based superintelligence, but it also has a “yuck” factor that sterile silicon does not. Therefore, there might even be an existential risks case for pushing LGBTQ+ maximalism insofar as it inures normies to body horror. The biosingularitarian future will in any case have more interesting ethical conundrums such as sexual relations between radically rejuvenated humans or between humans and consenting uplifted animals.
     

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ

    In Strugatsky brothers’ Soviet era novel “Monday starts on Saturday” there was a book “Writings of mentally ill”. Sounds like an excerpt from that book.

    • Agree: German_reader
  391. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    What kind of deterrence do you have in mind?
     
    Ideally not something at the same level as during the Cold War, nobody in his right mind would want to go back to the crazy levels of armaments present in central Europe back then. But enough for plausible deterrence, just so nobody in Russia gets stupid ideas (as I wrote above, I don't think there are really any serious plans in Russia for aggressive moves beyond Ukraine, but one can never know). So maybe some sort of partial conscription again. But of course one also doesn't want to enter into some uncontrolled arms race either, so it's a delicate balance. Ideally it would also be paired with an attempt to create at least a tolerable modus vivendi with Russia again, from a position of strength.
    There's also the nuclear issue. imo a nuclear deterrent might also be necessary. Not just against Russia btw, but possibly also for other eventualities. But there's lots of issues here too. Germany can't just build nukes on its own (even assuming it still has the necessary expertise, which is far from clear), it's banned from doing so as a signatory of the NPT, and nobody would want Germans to be in sole control of nukes...so it would have to be some sort of European deterrent. But how to organize that? Who would be in control? Would France be willing to share its nuclear weapons?

    Anyway, this is probably just fantasy. I think your negative prediction is likely to be correct. Europe will probably just continue to get ever poorer, weaker and more irrelevant.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    …paired with an attempt to create at least a tolerable modus vivendi with Russia again, from a position of strength.

    That eventually always happens – after the hot heads in London, Brussels, Warsaw, Riga cool down. Any modus vivendi will require a roughly equal positions of strength. Europe has today a deep, society-wide unwillingness to treat Russia as an equal – revulsion in many people, in their faces there is barely hidden contorted hatred. This will take a while – we can shortcut it with nukes to equalize it.

    There is no such thing as a restricted arms race – in any race the dynamic of more is unstoppable. We have basically f..ed up Europe for years – especially the Center-East. Any alternative now is much worse for all the main players than the status quo ante (say in 2013). It is the usual middle-of-the-war realization that everyone is worse off.

    Let’s be honest about the recent past:
    – Maidan was entertaining but a mistake – they should had waited for the election
    – Expanding Nato to Ukraine was a catastrophic mistake – whether it was only talk or real, makes little difference now
    – EU not holding Kiev accountable to its standards (language, corruption…) was a mistake – kind of a swan song for Brussels preaching about “European values”.

    There were other mistakes: giving the ethno-Nazis in Ukraine free hand: Odessa massacre, bombing of Donbas, Russia sitting back too long hoping to avoid the inevitable, Merkel-Hollande gaming the Minsk deal and then boasting about it…And the Polish-Baltic again descended into irrationality with the Finns deciding to join in again after chilling for 75 years.

    Germany has played a very destructive role by not being conscious of its own self-interest. Yeah, we are kind of f..ed…maybe a miracle?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    Let’s be honest about the recent past:
    – Maidan was entertaining but a mistake – they should had waited for the election
    – Expanding Nato to Ukraine was a catastrophic mistake – whether it was only talk or real, makes little difference now
    – EU not holding Kiev accountable to its standards (language, corruption…) was a mistake – kind of a swan song for Brussels preaching about “European values”.
     
    Electing Yanukovych in 2010 was also a mistake, as was electing Kuchma in 1994 and electing Kravchuk in 1991.
  392. @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...paired with an attempt to create at least a tolerable modus vivendi with Russia again, from a position of strength.
     
    That eventually always happens - after the hot heads in London, Brussels, Warsaw, Riga cool down. Any modus vivendi will require a roughly equal positions of strength. Europe has today a deep, society-wide unwillingness to treat Russia as an equal - revulsion in many people, in their faces there is barely hidden contorted hatred. This will take a while - we can shortcut it with nukes to equalize it.

    There is no such thing as a restricted arms race - in any race the dynamic of more is unstoppable. We have basically f..ed up Europe for years - especially the Center-East. Any alternative now is much worse for all the main players than the status quo ante (say in 2013). It is the usual middle-of-the-war realization that everyone is worse off.

    Let's be honest about the recent past:
    - Maidan was entertaining but a mistake - they should had waited for the election
    - Expanding Nato to Ukraine was a catastrophic mistake - whether it was only talk or real, makes little difference now
    - EU not holding Kiev accountable to its standards (language, corruption...) was a mistake - kind of a swan song for Brussels preaching about "European values".

    There were other mistakes: giving the ethno-Nazis in Ukraine free hand: Odessa massacre, bombing of Donbas, Russia sitting back too long hoping to avoid the inevitable, Merkel-Hollande gaming the Minsk deal and then boasting about it...And the Polish-Baltic again descended into irrationality with the Finns deciding to join in again after chilling for 75 years.

    Germany has played a very destructive role by not being conscious of its own self-interest. Yeah, we are kind of f..ed...maybe a miracle?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Let’s be honest about the recent past:
    – Maidan was entertaining but a mistake – they should had waited for the election
    – Expanding Nato to Ukraine was a catastrophic mistake – whether it was only talk or real, makes little difference now
    – EU not holding Kiev accountable to its standards (language, corruption…) was a mistake – kind of a swan song for Brussels preaching about “European values”.

    Electing Yanukovych in 2010 was also a mistake, as was electing Kuchma in 1994 and electing Kravchuk in 1991.

  393. @German_reader
    From Karlin's manifesto:

    More speculatively, public acceptance of LGBTQ+ rights accelerates the Biosingularity insofar as it suppresses natural disgust reflexes that might otherwise slow it down and harm net global welfare. This is important, because the Biosingularity is innately much safer than developing silicon-based superintelligence, but it also has a “yuck” factor that sterile silicon does not. Therefore, there might even be an existential risks case for pushing LGBTQ+ maximalism insofar as it inures normies to body horror. The biosingularitarian future will in any case have more interesting ethical conundrums such as sexual relations between radically rejuvenated humans or between humans and consenting uplifted animals.
     

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ

    Well, if sex between humans and hypothetical super-smart aliens is fair game, why not this as well? At least if these animals will be as smart as human adults are?

    AI androids that look like children could also allow for an ethical form of “child prostitution” since it won’t be real children involved but simply AI androids that look and act like children. Nowadays, you have Shi’a clerics in Iraq pimping actual underage girls; wouldn’t it be great if they used similar-looking AI androids for this instead?

    I suppose that these AI androids could be designed as adults with extremely childlike personalities and with a pituitary gland disorder that prevented them from growing to adult size in order to make these AI androids even more ethical.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ


    At least if these animals will be as smart as human adults are?
     
    iirc when Karlin first mentioned this bizarro idea of "uplifting" animals, someone asked why you'd even want to do that. It seems like a pretty cruel thing to do. Just think of the anxiety caused by awareness of one's mortality. Why inflict that on a dog or cat?
    But I suppose that's just a dumb rightoid take. Karlin would probably counter with reference to how rightoids don't object to factory farming, eat pork etc., so have no moral grounds for objecting to animal "uplift".

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @songbird, @Greasy William

    , @Mikel
    @Mr. XYZ


    AI androids that look like children could also allow for an ethical form of “child prostitution” since it won’t be real children involved but simply AI androids that look and act like children.
     
    Yes, the ChatGPT Revolution (coupled with the SMO fiasco, or whatever AK thinks has changed the human condition forever) opens so many possibilities. One could also build humanoids who enjoy being tortured and murdered to satisfy the needs of the criminal community, human-attracted nymphomaniac goats for the zoophilic-oriented,... lots of human problems to solve. Perhaps one could even design an extra billion economic migrants to make the world nicer for people who enjoy having lots of them like you.
  394. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    What kind of deterrence do you have in mind?
     
    Ideally not something at the same level as during the Cold War, nobody in his right mind would want to go back to the crazy levels of armaments present in central Europe back then. But enough for plausible deterrence, just so nobody in Russia gets stupid ideas (as I wrote above, I don't think there are really any serious plans in Russia for aggressive moves beyond Ukraine, but one can never know). So maybe some sort of partial conscription again. But of course one also doesn't want to enter into some uncontrolled arms race either, so it's a delicate balance. Ideally it would also be paired with an attempt to create at least a tolerable modus vivendi with Russia again, from a position of strength.
    There's also the nuclear issue. imo a nuclear deterrent might also be necessary. Not just against Russia btw, but possibly also for other eventualities. But there's lots of issues here too. Germany can't just build nukes on its own (even assuming it still has the necessary expertise, which is far from clear), it's banned from doing so as a signatory of the NPT, and nobody would want Germans to be in sole control of nukes...so it would have to be some sort of European deterrent. But how to organize that? Who would be in control? Would France be willing to share its nuclear weapons?

    Anyway, this is probably just fantasy. I think your negative prediction is likely to be correct. Europe will probably just continue to get ever poorer, weaker and more irrelevant.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    Polish nuclear weapons could be viewed as a good alternative to German nuclear weapons, if Poland would actually exit the NPT, no? Of course, Russia would probably be more paranoid about Polish nukes than about German nukes due to greater Polish historical hostility towards Russia in comparison to German historical hostility towards Russia, the WWII time period being excluded, of course.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    Electing Yanukovych in 2010 was also a mistake, as was electing Kuchma in 1994 and electing Kravchuk in 1991.
     
    Only in a philosophical sense...:)...but they were all regular elections, Maidan was not - it prevented regular elections later that year that Yanuk would lose. Think.

    You left out the most unpopular one: Yushenko in 2005 - he ended up with less than 5% in 2010. Or was he your hero?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  395. @Poupon Marx
    @Beckow

    Very good responses from objective feedback and observations, not subjective, bitchy small minded, frankly, immature girl talk similarities.

    I've watched Putin at many meetings of a large spectrum of audiences, functions, and people. His grasp of specifics, facts, background is so fluid and detailed that this encyclopedic volume of information places him several standard deviations from the mean.

    He is briefed daily by top people on EVERYTHING concerning Russia. It ALL goes through him. Somehow he has the knowledge base to converse in detail and specifics with them all.

    One characteristic that is frequently overlooked is the ability to CHOOSE the best people for the job, and to delegate properly; not too much and not too little. That is the tightrope he walks, the amount of consultation and approval in balance and proportion to independence decision making.

    If he was not a genius, the Lee Kwan Yew and General George Patton were not either.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …His grasp of specifics, facts, background is so fluid and detailed that this encyclopedic volume of information places him several standard deviations from the mean.

    Sure, he is way above average and very hard-working, but I am not sure he is a genius. Geniuses don’t go into politics…

    …his ability to CHOOSE the best people for the job, and to delegate properly

    That is actually one of Putin’s weaker points: he has had some real doozies that he allowed to hang around for too long. And the fact that he doesn’t feel free to retire suggests that he is not that sure the people around him are the best.

    But maybe his best quality is something that was in the past taken for granted: the complete identification with his own country. That is very rare in the West today – the Euros are governed by light-weight carrerists and outright sell-outs and in Washington there is a strange brew of globalist uber-liberals and neo-con military maniacs. So he stands apart, as does Xi.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    @Beckow

    Well, this argument would be determined and resolved by analysis of hundreds of appointees, which would be a massive undertaking by a committee working full time. Your point is that some of his appointees haven't worked out. I would not dispute that, but quantitative evaluation makes the difference between irrelevance and resolution.

    Now, some of his appointees might have been restrictive in scope, limiting his choices, as in people with a large contingent of supporters in a bureaucracy or seniority. Over time, however, on a macro level, the quality of cumulation will produce generally positive or negative performances. Many times a challenging situation will needs to be arrived to see how the individual responds and reacts professionally. The best steel passes through the fire.

    Recently, Putin made the statement to a group of elite young research scientists and engineers that he knew the military bureaucracy had its drama queens, but that they will be removed. His power is not absolute, as propagandists in the West tout and blather about.

    In fact, the great power that Putin has, discretion, etc, is GIVEN to him by the Duma, various oligarchs, numbers of high government officials. and-not be underestimated-the Orthodox Patriarch. Russians want a strong, resolute person WHO LEADS AND HAS COMPETENCE. They want results, cohesion, and effectiveness. They are very practical. The age and mistake of the dominance of ideology and abstract deductive thinking ("I have the correct idea, it is Reality that must conform and be changed), is OVER. America is dominated by this kind of thinking.

    Replies: @Beckow

  396. @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Polish nuclear weapons could be viewed as a good alternative to German nuclear weapons, if Poland would actually exit the NPT, no? Of course, Russia would probably be more paranoid about Polish nukes than about German nukes due to greater Polish historical hostility towards Russia in comparison to German historical hostility towards Russia, the WWII time period being excluded, of course.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Electing Yanukovych in 2010 was also a mistake, as was electing Kuchma in 1994 and electing Kravchuk in 1991.

    Only in a philosophical sense…:)…but they were all regular elections, Maidan was not – it prevented regular elections later that year that Yanuk would lose. Think.

    You left out the most unpopular one: Yushenko in 2005 – he ended up with less than 5% in 2010. Or was he your hero?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Maybe had Yanukovych actually respected the Ukrainian Constitution, he would have been allowed to serve out his entire term? Yanukovych actually had decent odds (50+%) of legitimately acquiring a parliamentary majority had he held new parliamentary elections back in 2010, but he decided not to do so.

    Yushchenko was an idiot for not supporting Tymoshenko in 2010, despite all of her flaws. That, and for energizing the pro-Yanukovych vote by giving an award to Stepan Bandera shortly before the 2010 election. Moron!

    Replies: @Beckow

  397. @Beckow
    @Poupon Marx


    ...His grasp of specifics, facts, background is so fluid and detailed that this encyclopedic volume of information places him several standard deviations from the mean.
     
    Sure, he is way above average and very hard-working, but I am not sure he is a genius. Geniuses don't go into politics...

    ...his ability to CHOOSE the best people for the job, and to delegate properly
     
    That is actually one of Putin's weaker points: he has had some real doozies that he allowed to hang around for too long. And the fact that he doesn't feel free to retire suggests that he is not that sure the people around him are the best.

    But maybe his best quality is something that was in the past taken for granted: the complete identification with his own country. That is very rare in the West today - the Euros are governed by light-weight carrerists and outright sell-outs and in Washington there is a strange brew of globalist uber-liberals and neo-con military maniacs. So he stands apart, as does Xi.

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

    Well, this argument would be determined and resolved by analysis of hundreds of appointees, which would be a massive undertaking by a committee working full time. Your point is that some of his appointees haven’t worked out. I would not dispute that, but quantitative evaluation makes the difference between irrelevance and resolution.

    Now, some of his appointees might have been restrictive in scope, limiting his choices, as in people with a large contingent of supporters in a bureaucracy or seniority. Over time, however, on a macro level, the quality of cumulation will produce generally positive or negative performances. Many times a challenging situation will needs to be arrived to see how the individual responds and reacts professionally. The best steel passes through the fire.

    Recently, Putin made the statement to a group of elite young research scientists and engineers that he knew the military bureaucracy had its drama queens, but that they will be removed. His power is not absolute, as propagandists in the West tout and blather about.

    In fact, the great power that Putin has, discretion, etc, is GIVEN to him by the Duma, various oligarchs, numbers of high government officials. and-not be underestimated-the Orthodox Patriarch. Russians want a strong, resolute person WHO LEADS AND HAS COMPETENCE. They want results, cohesion, and effectiveness. They are very practical. The age and mistake of the dominance of ideology and abstract deductive thinking (“I have the correct idea, it is Reality that must conform and be changed), is OVER. America is dominated by this kind of thinking.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Poupon Marx


    ...They are very practical. The age and mistake of the dominance of ideology and abstract deductive thinking (“I have the correct idea, it is Reality that must conform and be changed), is OVER. America is dominated by this kind of thinking.
     
    I don't disagree, and for now practicality is important and it works. China is the same way. But there are historically limits to practicality - it tends to get dull and self-referencing..."ideas" always come back.

    The problem with the West is that they are too obsessed with ideas that are passe like markets!!!, imagine-no-borders, and empowering people of darker hue...it got completely out of hand with the infantile Obama mania and then came the mental collapse of gender and other idiocies. They are not serious any more.

    It is simply a consequence of lack of elite rotation - the roles are frozen, people stay too long, mid-wits rise. It has no chance, the Russia-China block is very lucky.

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

  398. German_reader says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Well, if sex between humans and hypothetical super-smart aliens is fair game, why not this as well? At least if these animals will be as smart as human adults are?

    AI androids that look like children could also allow for an ethical form of "child prostitution" since it won't be real children involved but simply AI androids that look and act like children. Nowadays, you have Shi'a clerics in Iraq pimping actual underage girls; wouldn't it be great if they used similar-looking AI androids for this instead?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5ZqEWSeKj4

    I suppose that these AI androids could be designed as adults with extremely childlike personalities and with a pituitary gland disorder that prevented them from growing to adult size in order to make these AI androids even more ethical.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel

    At least if these animals will be as smart as human adults are?

    iirc when Karlin first mentioned this bizarro idea of “uplifting” animals, someone asked why you’d even want to do that. It seems like a pretty cruel thing to do. Just think of the anxiety caused by awareness of one’s mortality. Why inflict that on a dog or cat?
    But I suppose that’s just a dumb rightoid take. Karlin would probably counter with reference to how rightoids don’t object to factory farming, eat pork etc., so have no moral grounds for objecting to animal “uplift”.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Some logic behind animal uplift, besides legalizing bestiality, would be to see just what kind of creative works human-level intelligence animals would be able to achieve, at least if they will also evolve things such as disposable thumbs. (If not, we might need to scan their brains and/or brain waves or something like that, I would presume? That way we might still be able to find out what they are thinking.) Ashkenazi Jews have been an enormously creative people, and so have been Hajnal Line Europeans, and it would probably be a huge benefit to humanity if more sentient beings, both human and non-human, were similar to them.

    Replies: @yakushimaru

    , @songbird
    @German_reader


    It seems like a pretty cruel thing to do. Just think of the anxiety caused by awareness of one’s mortality. Why inflict that on a dog or cat?
     
    I do wonder if cats understand death, in a way.

    For one thing, outdoor cats often "go off to die.". Could very well be a lower level instinct that applies to any time a cat is not feeling well and might recover. But then there was the creepy cat in the old age home that sought out dying people - possible to tell from their breath - perhaps, another coincidence.
    , @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJkWS4t4l0k

  399. I did not read the article. Did they mention the part where Andy Reid begged Travis Kelce to keep that bitch away from the Kansas City Chiefs?

  400. @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ


    At least if these animals will be as smart as human adults are?
     
    iirc when Karlin first mentioned this bizarro idea of "uplifting" animals, someone asked why you'd even want to do that. It seems like a pretty cruel thing to do. Just think of the anxiety caused by awareness of one's mortality. Why inflict that on a dog or cat?
    But I suppose that's just a dumb rightoid take. Karlin would probably counter with reference to how rightoids don't object to factory farming, eat pork etc., so have no moral grounds for objecting to animal "uplift".

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @songbird, @Greasy William

    Some logic behind animal uplift, besides legalizing bestiality, would be to see just what kind of creative works human-level intelligence animals would be able to achieve, at least if they will also evolve things such as disposable thumbs. (If not, we might need to scan their brains and/or brain waves or something like that, I would presume? That way we might still be able to find out what they are thinking.) Ashkenazi Jews have been an enormously creative people, and so have been Hajnal Line Europeans, and it would probably be a huge benefit to humanity if more sentient beings, both human and non-human, were similar to them.

    • Replies: @yakushimaru
    @Mr. XYZ

    I kind of think that we (the future people) must have known that much BEFORE uplifting becomes real.

    And to think that, when the future super smart people finally figure out that much about our brain, and the animal brains, the number one item on their to-do list is to have sex, with animals, for fun. WTF? Can't they just push some buttons and be done with it? They still can't do these disgusting things in a clean way?

  401. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    Electing Yanukovych in 2010 was also a mistake, as was electing Kuchma in 1994 and electing Kravchuk in 1991.
     
    Only in a philosophical sense...:)...but they were all regular elections, Maidan was not - it prevented regular elections later that year that Yanuk would lose. Think.

    You left out the most unpopular one: Yushenko in 2005 - he ended up with less than 5% in 2010. Or was he your hero?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Maybe had Yanukovych actually respected the Ukrainian Constitution, he would have been allowed to serve out his entire term? Yanukovych actually had decent odds (50+%) of legitimately acquiring a parliamentary majority had he held new parliamentary elections back in 2010, but he decided not to do so.

    Yushchenko was an idiot for not supporting Tymoshenko in 2010, despite all of her flaws. That, and for energizing the pro-Yanukovych vote by giving an award to Stepan Bandera shortly before the 2010 election. Moron!

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ

    Ok, so we add Yushenko to the list...:)

    About Maidan and Yanuk you are wrong: the elections were scheduled for 2014 and Maidan pre-empted them. Everything after that is tainted by the revolution, or whatever it was. Yanuk won in 2010, nobody ever disputed that - he was negotiating with EU and called a pause because of the bad economic consequences for Ukraine. If the regular elections were held in 2014 he would lose - but Crimea, Donbas would stay quiet - maybe unhappy, but inside Ukraine.

    This was all a massive incompetent screw-up, emotional half-wits running in Kiev screaming slogans and Euro morons giggling that "something is happening, haha..." You got played by the Washington neo-cons. And also Russia. Good job.

    Come to think of it, this is working out as if it was scripted in Moscow: they are either smarter or luckier...But you have the Bandera-Shusk. museum in Lvov, so it is all worth it....Ooooops...Russia just blew it up. Maybe you can rebuild it in Winnipeg...or in Warsaw - that would be really something...:)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  402. @Derer
    @Mr. XYZ

    The collapse of the Soviets, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia coincide with the collapse of the communist tyranny that kept it together by force.

    The EU project is awaiting the same fate...it cannot survive the impossible task of getting away with taking away sovereignty of individual highly nationalistic countries. It cannot survive for "polluting" ethnically homogeneous countries by the visible minorities of the former colonizing countries.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    The EU aims to strike a delicate balance between national sovereignty and creating a deeper supranational union (confederation). It’s a delicate balance, but it’s still doable, I would suspect. Britain appears to be having buyer’s remorse for leaving the EU.

    Eastern Europe appears to have less immigration relative to Western Europe, for the time being, at least. Hopefully they will be more selective with their future Muslim immigrants than Western Europe has unfortunately been in the past.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Mr. XYZ

    The EU is an answer to a German question that no longer exists. The French's reason for being keen on the EU is they (through the French bankers' man Macron) want their greedy banks' toxic 'assets' to be backstopped /bailed out by the Germans.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  403. @QCIC
    @Sean

    In Ukraine, if (or when) NATO decides to come in hard, what will Russia do? I think there are at least two scenarios. In one case, NATO decides to fastidiously avoid strikes on Russian territory. In this scenario I think Russia has some options depending on the size of NATO forces. If NATO decides to strike within Russia then I think Russia might respond with tactical nuclear strikes, perhaps immediately. Avoiding this is a major reason for the proxy war. Both sides would be concerned that the tactical nuclear strikes could escalate to a broader war and possibly strategic nuclear strikes.

    In the first scenario where NATO keeps the combat within Ukraine and perhaps even West of the Dnepr, how might Russia respond? I don't really know. One approach could be to attack Kiev more directly to get a rapid capitulation and dissuade NATO from fighting in Western Ukraine. On the other hand, Poland might stay even if Kiev is lost. If Poland took Western Ukraine out to Vinnytsia and Russia had the rest including Odessa, would Russia care very much? I don't know. If they could get the missiles out of Eastern Europe and agree that Poland would administer the New East Poland as a neutral demilitarized area that might be acceptable. This would give the hardcore Ukie issue to Poland.

    If on the other hand, NATO decides to fight Russia in Ukraine and also threaten from the Baltics and Finland I don't know how this would work. One Russian strategy could be to simply destroy a very major target to get the West to stop and do a mental reset. Many other progressions seem to escalate to widespread nuclear weapons use either right away or gradually with some inevitability. If this sort of escalation begins I don't think the actions of other players such as China are very predictable. If nuclear weapons use seems more likely this might even break up NATO with countries like France wanting to have nothing to do with it.

    Replies: @Sean, @Poupon Marx

    America would not get into direct combat with the Russians after Russian theatre thermonuclear use on a battlefield in Ukraine. I think talk about US conventional retaliation against the Russian army in Ukraine is cheap but once the Russians had actuall gone nuclear against Ukraine the chances of them going nuclear against the US army and air force conventional retaliation would be orders of magnitude greater. When you have gone nuclear you have crossed the Rubicon and gone nuclear for good and everyone knows it. Perhaps the Russians ought to have gone nuclear already.

  404. @Mr. XYZ
    @Derer

    The EU aims to strike a delicate balance between national sovereignty and creating a deeper supranational union (confederation). It's a delicate balance, but it's still doable, I would suspect. Britain appears to be having buyer's remorse for leaving the EU.

    Eastern Europe appears to have less immigration relative to Western Europe, for the time being, at least. Hopefully they will be more selective with their future Muslim immigrants than Western Europe has unfortunately been in the past.

    Replies: @Sean

    The EU is an answer to a German question that no longer exists. The French’s reason for being keen on the EU is they (through the French bankers’ man Macron) want their greedy banks’ toxic ‘assets’ to be backstopped /bailed out by the Germans.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Sean

    That's not the only reason for French support of the EU, most likely. Another likely reason is that France gets to be a part of an entity much, much more populous than it itself is and thus much more capable of achieving great things than it itself is alone.

  405. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    A four-year old girl badly wounded by Ukie attack on Belgorod has died in hospital.
     
    Very sad news indeed. Just think of all of the little children, in both Russia and Ukraine, that would still be alive today and enjoy having both parents, if Putler hadn't fomented this senseless slaughter?...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Just think of all of the little children, in both Russia and Ukraine, that would still be alive today and enjoy having both parents, if Putler hadn’t fomented this senseless slaughter?…

    In Russia there is a poem mocking the habit of libtards and Western MSM to blame everything on Putin.

    It has these lines:
    Пью, курю, и не женат
    Это Путин виноват

    And these:
    Кошка бросила котят
    Это Путин виноват

    Translation:
    I drink, I smoke, and I am single
    Putin is to blame for that
    And
    The cat abandoned her kittens
    Putin is to blame for that
    (sorry, the rhymes are gone in my translation)

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    Ukrainian children know when they see a false Santa:

    https://static.kyivpost.com/storage/2023/12/24/acddb4ae9bc5cd0bf6fda20d395d774a.jpg?w=900&q=90&f=webp

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  406. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader

    Haven't you been paying attention? They are coming for Latvia next. All those potato farms are ripe for the taking when the NATO arsenal runs empty!

    https://purpleshoshana.com/collections/pre-owned-raccoon-coats/products/brand-new-tanuki-raccoon-unisex-fur-coat-coats-s-m

    https://purpleshoshana.com/cdn/shop/products/6324Tanuki4_2000x.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow, @Greasy William

    she’s hot

  407. Heard the London fireworks celebrated diversity, Windrush, homo marriage, and Barbie. Thought they were going to go for Barbenheimer, but there was no nuclear blast, after the fireworks turned pink.

    Seriously, though, I can’t wait for the drone shows of the future, when they commemorate sending all these people to the Congo. I imagine a giant foot in the sky doing a series of kicks to different, politically-incorrect caricatures, followed by a map showing their rough destination.

  408. German_reader says:

    From Karlin’s manifesto:

    Likewise, despite the damage and lost opportunities I incurred from SJWs, I have zero interest in attacking them now that they are on the backfoot and doing so involves allying with the objectively far more dangerous and malevolent politics of the Rightoid International. I do not like Woke cancelation campaigns, and increasingly, more and more normies seem to have gotten wise to their overreach. However, there is nonetheless a distinction between Charles Murray getting booed at a Woke college and several thousand more Blacks dying from the Ferguson Effect, and the rightoid platform of getting millions killed in painful ways (anti-vaxxerism), coercing women to birth rape babies (anti-abortion), sentencing their own loved ones to agonizing deaths (anti-euthanasia), and the general technophobia, Luddism, and anti-transhumanism which makes it harder to build the very solutions that would bypass most of the ethical debates they are so invested in.

    Can he really believe that? Seems like rather forced reasoning.
    Much of the manifesto reads like parody. There are a few interesting segments in the part about Russia though. The final part (about Karlin’s experiences with various psycho “rightoids”) is also quite entertaining.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader


    However, there is nonetheless a distinction between Charles Murray getting booed at a Woke college and several thousand more Blacks dying from the Ferguson Effect, and the rightoid platform of getting millions killed in painful ways (anti-vaxxerism), coercing women to birth rape babies (anti-abortion), sentencing their own loved ones to agonizing deaths (anti-euthanasia), and the general technophobia, Luddism, and anti-transhumanism which makes it harder to build the very solutions that would bypass most of the ethical debates they are so invested in.
     
    He might as well also mention the various wars that rightoids have supported for both Russia and the West. The left isn't completely clean in regards to this, of course, but historically, the (non-Communist, at least) left appears to have been more anti-war in comparison to the right. Vietnam, Iraq, Ukraine, Iran (thankfully this one didn't become an actual war yet).

    Russia did much more damage with its Ukraine invasion than Woke mobs did with their cancellation campaigns, most likely. At least one would *probably* be able to apologize to the Woke mobs and beg for forgiveness. But one can't bring back all of the people who were killed in Ukraine. Or for that matter in Iraq, Vietnam, et cetera.

    For that matter, Germany leftists were probably more anti-war than Germany rightists were back in 1939, though it's not guaranteed due to the lack of reliable opinion polls within Germany back then due to Nazi totalitarianism. Still, the Nazis appear to have primarily gotten their support in Germany from the right, not the left, and the Nazis certainly did a lot of damage, such as causing the deaths of tens of millions of Europeans and a huge part of Europe's cognitive elite (Ashkenazi Jews).

    In Israel before October 7, rightists had a destructive influence in seeking to significantly weaken Israel's judiciary (which, however flawed, at least sometimes stood up for the underdogs) without a wide consensus and also in seeking to repeal the Grandchild Clause of Israel's Law of Return, plans that now thankfully appear to have been shelved indefinitely due to the current Israel-Hamas war in Gaza.

    Both rightists and leftists are stupid for believing in their own pet conspiracy theories, of course, which is why the technocratic Gray Tribe is the best tribe out of all of them.
  409. @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ


    At least if these animals will be as smart as human adults are?
     
    iirc when Karlin first mentioned this bizarro idea of "uplifting" animals, someone asked why you'd even want to do that. It seems like a pretty cruel thing to do. Just think of the anxiety caused by awareness of one's mortality. Why inflict that on a dog or cat?
    But I suppose that's just a dumb rightoid take. Karlin would probably counter with reference to how rightoids don't object to factory farming, eat pork etc., so have no moral grounds for objecting to animal "uplift".

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @songbird, @Greasy William

    It seems like a pretty cruel thing to do. Just think of the anxiety caused by awareness of one’s mortality. Why inflict that on a dog or cat?

    I do wonder if cats understand death, in a way.

    For one thing, outdoor cats often “go off to die.”. Could very well be a lower level instinct that applies to any time a cat is not feeling well and might recover. But then there was the creepy cat in the old age home that sought out dying people – possible to tell from their breath – perhaps, another coincidence.

  410. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Maybe had Yanukovych actually respected the Ukrainian Constitution, he would have been allowed to serve out his entire term? Yanukovych actually had decent odds (50+%) of legitimately acquiring a parliamentary majority had he held new parliamentary elections back in 2010, but he decided not to do so.

    Yushchenko was an idiot for not supporting Tymoshenko in 2010, despite all of her flaws. That, and for energizing the pro-Yanukovych vote by giving an award to Stepan Bandera shortly before the 2010 election. Moron!

    Replies: @Beckow

    Ok, so we add Yushenko to the list…:)

    About Maidan and Yanuk you are wrong: the elections were scheduled for 2014 and Maidan pre-empted them. Everything after that is tainted by the revolution, or whatever it was. Yanuk won in 2010, nobody ever disputed that – he was negotiating with EU and called a pause because of the bad economic consequences for Ukraine. If the regular elections were held in 2014 he would lose – but Crimea, Donbas would stay quiet – maybe unhappy, but inside Ukraine.

    This was all a massive incompetent screw-up, emotional half-wits running in Kiev screaming slogans and Euro morons giggling that “something is happening, haha…” You got played by the Washington neo-cons. And also Russia. Good job.

    Come to think of it, this is working out as if it was scripted in Moscow: they are either smarter or luckier…But you have the Bandera-Shusk. museum in Lvov, so it is all worth it….Ooooops…Russia just blew it up. Maybe you can rebuild it in Winnipeg…or in Warsaw – that would be really something…:)

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    IIRC, Yanuk asked the EU for $160 billion at the last minute. He apparently really did need the money due to Ukraine's dire economic situation, but AFAIK it's possible that the EU believed that he simply pulled that number out of thin air (Yanukovych did tell the EU something along the line of "these are secret numbers/figures") in an attempt to get more money from the EU so that he could loot it. When a country is a corrupt kleptocracy, which unfortunately did not begin with Yanuk nor end after him, it's understandable that wealthier and more honest countries could be skeptical of the intentions of this country's leadership.

    Ukraine is, in some regards, the best that the East Slavic world has to offer right now and should thus be supported, but it nevertheless shows that the East Slavic world is still mediocre in comparison to the West. They're smart and capable of fighting and are determined to become better, more honest, and more civilized in an attempt to join the West, which is very admirable, but they still have a very long way to go.

    I wonder how Ukraine would have developed in a normal, non-Communist 20th century.

    Replies: @Beckow

  411. @German_reader
    From Karlin's manifesto:

    Likewise, despite the damage and lost opportunities I incurred from SJWs, I have zero interest in attacking them now that they are on the backfoot and doing so involves allying with the objectively far more dangerous and malevolent politics of the Rightoid International. I do not like Woke cancelation campaigns, and increasingly, more and more normies seem to have gotten wise to their overreach. However, there is nonetheless a distinction between Charles Murray getting booed at a Woke college and several thousand more Blacks dying from the Ferguson Effect, and the rightoid platform of getting millions killed in painful ways (anti-vaxxerism), coercing women to birth rape babies (anti-abortion), sentencing their own loved ones to agonizing deaths (anti-euthanasia), and the general technophobia, Luddism, and anti-transhumanism which makes it harder to build the very solutions that would bypass most of the ethical debates they are so invested in.
     
    Can he really believe that? Seems like rather forced reasoning.
    Much of the manifesto reads like parody. There are a few interesting segments in the part about Russia though. The final part (about Karlin's experiences with various psycho "rightoids") is also quite entertaining.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    However, there is nonetheless a distinction between Charles Murray getting booed at a Woke college and several thousand more Blacks dying from the Ferguson Effect, and the rightoid platform of getting millions killed in painful ways (anti-vaxxerism), coercing women to birth rape babies (anti-abortion), sentencing their own loved ones to agonizing deaths (anti-euthanasia), and the general technophobia, Luddism, and anti-transhumanism which makes it harder to build the very solutions that would bypass most of the ethical debates they are so invested in.

    He might as well also mention the various wars that rightoids have supported for both Russia and the West. The left isn’t completely clean in regards to this, of course, but historically, the (non-Communist, at least) left appears to have been more anti-war in comparison to the right. Vietnam, Iraq, Ukraine, Iran (thankfully this one didn’t become an actual war yet).

    Russia did much more damage with its Ukraine invasion than Woke mobs did with their cancellation campaigns, most likely. At least one would *probably* be able to apologize to the Woke mobs and beg for forgiveness. But one can’t bring back all of the people who were killed in Ukraine. Or for that matter in Iraq, Vietnam, et cetera.

    For that matter, Germany leftists were probably more anti-war than Germany rightists were back in 1939, though it’s not guaranteed due to the lack of reliable opinion polls within Germany back then due to Nazi totalitarianism. Still, the Nazis appear to have primarily gotten their support in Germany from the right, not the left, and the Nazis certainly did a lot of damage, such as causing the deaths of tens of millions of Europeans and a huge part of Europe’s cognitive elite (Ashkenazi Jews).

    In Israel before October 7, rightists had a destructive influence in seeking to significantly weaken Israel’s judiciary (which, however flawed, at least sometimes stood up for the underdogs) without a wide consensus and also in seeking to repeal the Grandchild Clause of Israel’s Law of Return, plans that now thankfully appear to have been shelved indefinitely due to the current Israel-Hamas war in Gaza.

    Both rightists and leftists are stupid for believing in their own pet conspiracy theories, of course, which is why the technocratic Gray Tribe is the best tribe out of all of them.

  412. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ

    Ok, so we add Yushenko to the list...:)

    About Maidan and Yanuk you are wrong: the elections were scheduled for 2014 and Maidan pre-empted them. Everything after that is tainted by the revolution, or whatever it was. Yanuk won in 2010, nobody ever disputed that - he was negotiating with EU and called a pause because of the bad economic consequences for Ukraine. If the regular elections were held in 2014 he would lose - but Crimea, Donbas would stay quiet - maybe unhappy, but inside Ukraine.

    This was all a massive incompetent screw-up, emotional half-wits running in Kiev screaming slogans and Euro morons giggling that "something is happening, haha..." You got played by the Washington neo-cons. And also Russia. Good job.

    Come to think of it, this is working out as if it was scripted in Moscow: they are either smarter or luckier...But you have the Bandera-Shusk. museum in Lvov, so it is all worth it....Ooooops...Russia just blew it up. Maybe you can rebuild it in Winnipeg...or in Warsaw - that would be really something...:)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    IIRC, Yanuk asked the EU for $160 billion at the last minute. He apparently really did need the money due to Ukraine’s dire economic situation, but AFAIK it’s possible that the EU believed that he simply pulled that number out of thin air (Yanukovych did tell the EU something along the line of “these are secret numbers/figures”) in an attempt to get more money from the EU so that he could loot it. When a country is a corrupt kleptocracy, which unfortunately did not begin with Yanuk nor end after him, it’s understandable that wealthier and more honest countries could be skeptical of the intentions of this country’s leadership.

    Ukraine is, in some regards, the best that the East Slavic world has to offer right now and should thus be supported, but it nevertheless shows that the East Slavic world is still mediocre in comparison to the West. They’re smart and capable of fighting and are determined to become better, more honest, and more civilized in an attempt to join the West, which is very admirable, but they still have a very long way to go.

    I wonder how Ukraine would have developed in a normal, non-Communist 20th century.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ

    $160 billion was the estimate by Kiev Academy of Sciences for the losses by cutting free trade with Russia and replacing it with the EU Association. The document was published and circulated in EU and Kiev - it was not secret. It was based on linear assumptions and Brussels refused to pay - they also didn't have the money.

    Why should Euros pay anyway? Ukies wanted to get in, let them eat the losses. The theft part is neither here nor there - it doesn't work that way, money was for specific industries. They all steal anyway...

    The best that the East Slavic world has is probably Moscow and St.Petersburg, maybe Sochi. Ukraine had the potential but they blew it.


    how Ukraine would have developed in a normal, non-Communist 20th century.
     
    Ukraine wouldn't exist without the Commies who painstakingly created it from different territories. Western Ukraine would be in Poland, the south-east in regular Russia. The rest I am not sure.

    In WW2 the diversified Ukies would get wiped out, together with most Poles and Jews. Without the commies there was no chance that Germany wouldn't win and keep those territories. It would be a German region with some remaining low-level Ukie-Polish workers. Kind of like what the Ukies seem to want now, so maybe it would be all good...:)

    Why did we have to go through all the drama of the last few generations? Just serve the Western masters, be glad they let some of you to live and shut up...)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  413. @Sean
    @Mr. XYZ

    The EU is an answer to a German question that no longer exists. The French's reason for being keen on the EU is they (through the French bankers' man Macron) want their greedy banks' toxic 'assets' to be backstopped /bailed out by the Germans.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    That’s not the only reason for French support of the EU, most likely. Another likely reason is that France gets to be a part of an entity much, much more populous than it itself is and thus much more capable of achieving great things than it itself is alone.

  414. @Poupon Marx
    @Beckow

    Well, this argument would be determined and resolved by analysis of hundreds of appointees, which would be a massive undertaking by a committee working full time. Your point is that some of his appointees haven't worked out. I would not dispute that, but quantitative evaluation makes the difference between irrelevance and resolution.

    Now, some of his appointees might have been restrictive in scope, limiting his choices, as in people with a large contingent of supporters in a bureaucracy or seniority. Over time, however, on a macro level, the quality of cumulation will produce generally positive or negative performances. Many times a challenging situation will needs to be arrived to see how the individual responds and reacts professionally. The best steel passes through the fire.

    Recently, Putin made the statement to a group of elite young research scientists and engineers that he knew the military bureaucracy had its drama queens, but that they will be removed. His power is not absolute, as propagandists in the West tout and blather about.

    In fact, the great power that Putin has, discretion, etc, is GIVEN to him by the Duma, various oligarchs, numbers of high government officials. and-not be underestimated-the Orthodox Patriarch. Russians want a strong, resolute person WHO LEADS AND HAS COMPETENCE. They want results, cohesion, and effectiveness. They are very practical. The age and mistake of the dominance of ideology and abstract deductive thinking ("I have the correct idea, it is Reality that must conform and be changed), is OVER. America is dominated by this kind of thinking.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …They are very practical. The age and mistake of the dominance of ideology and abstract deductive thinking (“I have the correct idea, it is Reality that must conform and be changed), is OVER. America is dominated by this kind of thinking.

    I don’t disagree, and for now practicality is important and it works. China is the same way. But there are historically limits to practicality – it tends to get dull and self-referencing…”ideas” always come back.

    The problem with the West is that they are too obsessed with ideas that are passe like markets!!!, imagine-no-borders, and empowering people of darker hue…it got completely out of hand with the infantile Obama mania and then came the mental collapse of gender and other idiocies. They are not serious any more.

    It is simply a consequence of lack of elite rotation – the roles are frozen, people stay too long, mid-wits rise. It has no chance, the Russia-China block is very lucky.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    @Beckow

    Yes. Exactly. Imagine if engineers and experimental, honest scientists ran the governments. Even though Putin has a law degree, he is all real experience, in the world, observing and acting.


    Putin: Trump prosecution good for Russia because it shows “rottenness” of US
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhiSDs4ag1w
  415. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    Just think of all of the little children, in both Russia and Ukraine, that would still be alive today and enjoy having both parents, if Putler hadn’t fomented this senseless slaughter?…
     
    In Russia there is a poem mocking the habit of libtards and Western MSM to blame everything on Putin.

    It has these lines:
    Пью, курю, и не женат
    Это Путин виноват

    And these:
    Кошка бросила котят
    Это Путин виноват

    Translation:
    I drink, I smoke, and I am single
    Putin is to blame for that
    And
    The cat abandoned her kittens
    Putin is to blame for that
    (sorry, the rhymes are gone in my translation)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Ukrainian children know when they see a false Santa:

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    false Santa
     
    Santa is always false. The genuine item is called Grandfather Frost (Дед Мороз).

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

  416. German_reader says:

    From Karlin’s manifesto: Lord of the rings metaphor about Elite human capital:

    [MORE]

    Furthermore, I would even say that the programmed triumph of Elite Human Capital is not just a cognitive triumph, but a spiritual and a moral one. The character defects inherent to the rightoid mindset apply just as much to that rare breed known as “right-wing intellectuals”, who while retaining local intellectual superiority can only do so through nihilistic cynicism and repeated cycles of “mind-killing” that lower them morally, like the Fallen Ainur, to a far greater degree that would ever be attainable for simpler minds. There is a reason why no other an authority than Moldbug himself sees fit to label them as “Dark Elves“, a race known across fantasy for their moderately high intelligence made abominable though cruelty and malice that no mere Orc could match. This theme of ascended villainy that is self-conscious and self-aware is prevalent in Elite Rightoid discourse – see the Dark Enlightenment, the Intellectual Dark Web, Dark MAGA, and those are the relatively tame variants! – which inevitably comes packaged with a Dark Occult aesthetics with its skulls and warhammers, Chaos stars, and necrophile rhetoric from the Spanish Legion’s “Love Live Death!” to Wagner’s sledgehammers which was taken to its logical parodic conclusions in yarowrath’s “Nazi Zombies” discourse that has found its apotheosis in the Z War. These comparisons and allusions are of course appropriate in view of the Dark Elves’ conscious decision to betray the Light and devote their lives to goading and manipulating the brutish Orcish rightoid hordes into waging war on Elite Human Capital, instead of submitting to the Music of the Ainur and using the intelligence bestowed upon them by their genetic privilege to work on uplifting them. However, in so doing, they primarily doom themselves: “The Shadow that bred [the Orcs] can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own.” The paranoia, conformism, and lack of meritocracy, trust, and rule of law observed in realms ruled by the Dark Lord across the fantasy genre closely resemble the communities and societies that really existing rightoids build. This environment in turns caps the capabilities of those Dark Elves who go over to the service of the Shadow, and even further widens the cognitive chasm between them and Elite Human Capital.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @German_reader

    Wouldn't it be easier to get a girlfriend?


    - Meat Puppet 3.0

    , @songbird
    @German_reader

    Tolkien's obscure mythology isn't the best place to try to pull memes from, IMO.

    The best memes come from the Peter Jackson movies, playing off the alienness of the orcs, and the homogeneity of the European characters.

    If AK wants to promote the soy pill, then I suggest he watch Amazon's Rings of Power, while taking screenshots and trying to caption them with something witty.

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader

    , @Sher Singh
    @German_reader

    https://twitter.com/siorclivingllc/status/1741921430709621009

  417. @German_reader
    @Mr. XYZ


    At least if these animals will be as smart as human adults are?
     
    iirc when Karlin first mentioned this bizarro idea of "uplifting" animals, someone asked why you'd even want to do that. It seems like a pretty cruel thing to do. Just think of the anxiety caused by awareness of one's mortality. Why inflict that on a dog or cat?
    But I suppose that's just a dumb rightoid take. Karlin would probably counter with reference to how rightoids don't object to factory farming, eat pork etc., so have no moral grounds for objecting to animal "uplift".

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @songbird, @Greasy William

  418. @German_reader
    From Karlin's manifesto: Lord of the rings metaphor about Elite human capital:

    Furthermore, I would even say that the programmed triumph of Elite Human Capital is not just a cognitive triumph, but a spiritual and a moral one. The character defects inherent to the rightoid mindset apply just as much to that rare breed known as “right-wing intellectuals”, who while retaining local intellectual superiority can only do so through nihilistic cynicism and repeated cycles of “mind-killing” that lower them morally, like the Fallen Ainur, to a far greater degree that would ever be attainable for simpler minds. There is a reason why no other an authority than Moldbug himself sees fit to label them as “Dark Elves“, a race known across fantasy for their moderately high intelligence made abominable though cruelty and malice that no mere Orc could match. This theme of ascended villainy that is self-conscious and self-aware is prevalent in Elite Rightoid discourse – see the Dark Enlightenment, the Intellectual Dark Web, Dark MAGA, and those are the relatively tame variants! – which inevitably comes packaged with a Dark Occult aesthetics with its skulls and warhammers, Chaos stars, and necrophile rhetoric from the Spanish Legion’s “Love Live Death!” to Wagner’s sledgehammers which was taken to its logical parodic conclusions in yarowrath’s “Nazi Zombies” discourse that has found its apotheosis in the Z War. These comparisons and allusions are of course appropriate in view of the Dark Elves’ conscious decision to betray the Light and devote their lives to goading and manipulating the brutish Orcish rightoid hordes into waging war on Elite Human Capital, instead of submitting to the Music of the Ainur and using the intelligence bestowed upon them by their genetic privilege to work on uplifting them. However, in so doing, they primarily doom themselves: “The Shadow that bred [the Orcs] can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own.” The paranoia, conformism, and lack of meritocracy, trust, and rule of law observed in realms ruled by the Dark Lord across the fantasy genre closely resemble the communities and societies that really existing rightoids build. This environment in turns caps the capabilities of those Dark Elves who go over to the service of the Shadow, and even further widens the cognitive chasm between them and Elite Human Capital.
     

    Replies: @QCIC, @songbird, @Sher Singh

    Wouldn’t it be easier to get a girlfriend?

    – Meat Puppet 3.0

  419. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    IIRC, Yanuk asked the EU for $160 billion at the last minute. He apparently really did need the money due to Ukraine's dire economic situation, but AFAIK it's possible that the EU believed that he simply pulled that number out of thin air (Yanukovych did tell the EU something along the line of "these are secret numbers/figures") in an attempt to get more money from the EU so that he could loot it. When a country is a corrupt kleptocracy, which unfortunately did not begin with Yanuk nor end after him, it's understandable that wealthier and more honest countries could be skeptical of the intentions of this country's leadership.

    Ukraine is, in some regards, the best that the East Slavic world has to offer right now and should thus be supported, but it nevertheless shows that the East Slavic world is still mediocre in comparison to the West. They're smart and capable of fighting and are determined to become better, more honest, and more civilized in an attempt to join the West, which is very admirable, but they still have a very long way to go.

    I wonder how Ukraine would have developed in a normal, non-Communist 20th century.

    Replies: @Beckow

    $160 billion was the estimate by Kiev Academy of Sciences for the losses by cutting free trade with Russia and replacing it with the EU Association. The document was published and circulated in EU and Kiev – it was not secret. It was based on linear assumptions and Brussels refused to pay – they also didn’t have the money.

    Why should Euros pay anyway? Ukies wanted to get in, let them eat the losses. The theft part is neither here nor there – it doesn’t work that way, money was for specific industries. They all steal anyway…

    The best that the East Slavic world has is probably Moscow and St.Petersburg, maybe Sochi. Ukraine had the potential but they blew it.

    how Ukraine would have developed in a normal, non-Communist 20th century.

    Ukraine wouldn’t exist without the Commies who painstakingly created it from different territories. Western Ukraine would be in Poland, the south-east in regular Russia. The rest I am not sure.

    In WW2 the diversified Ukies would get wiped out, together with most Poles and Jews. Without the commies there was no chance that Germany wouldn’t win and keep those territories. It would be a German region with some remaining low-level Ukie-Polish workers. Kind of like what the Ukies seem to want now, so maybe it would be all good…:)

    Why did we have to go through all the drama of the last few generations? Just serve the Western masters, be glad they let some of you to live and shut up…)

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    Why should Euros pay anyway? Ukies wanted to get in, let them eat the losses. The theft part is neither here nor there – it doesn’t work that way, money was for specific industries. They all steal anyway…

     

    If the EU could actually guarantee that the money was actually going to go to these specific industries, with proper safeguards, then it should have tried paying for this. Better than accepting more culturally incompatible Muslim and African refugees. (Just how much did Merkel's mistake from 2015 end up costing Europe?) Or, alternatively, just not bother with the entire Eastern Partnership in the first place and let Russia have that region. Not very moral but Russia was going to have a headache reintegrating Ukraine when Ukraine's pro-Russians were dying and replaced by pro-Europeans anyway, right?

    Ukraine wouldn’t exist without the Commies who painstakingly created it from different territories. Western Ukraine would be in Poland, the south-east in regular Russia. The rest I am not sure.

    In WW2 the diversified Ukies would get wiped out, together with most Poles and Jews. Without the commies there was no chance that Germany wouldn’t win and keep those territories. It would be a German region with some remaining low-level Ukie-Polish workers. Kind of like what the Ukies seem to want now, so maybe it would be all good…:)

    Why did we have to go through all the drama of the last few generations? Just serve the Western masters, be glad they let some of you to live and shut up…)
     
    I'm American, not Ukrainian. But as a side note, Ukraine could have probably been unified much earlier had the Bolsheviks not instilled defeatism in Russia's military in 1917-1918 nor launched their successful coup in late 1917 together with their Left SR accomplices (who subsequently got purged by the Bolsheviks). All Russia had to do was to hold on to the current front lines and not launch any stupid offensives. The influx of US manpower on the Western Front was going to guarantee long-term victory for the Entente in WWI. But Russia couldn't even do that, and subsequently paid for it dearly with the Russian Civil War, 1930s and 1940s famines and purges, and WWII. And a Russia that would have been led by the Right SRs, together with an associate role for groups like the Mensheviks, would have probably been governed more pragmatically than the Bolsheviks governed it. It wouldn't rely on terror and brutality to anywhere near the same extent, would probably keep democracy, at least for a while (maybe not indefinitely, given what happened in that region in general in the interwar era), and pursue better economic policies. And also possibly not restrict freedom of speech/expression/assembly anywhere near as much nor have a stupid propiska system. Nor have anywhere near as massive of a chronic alcoholism problem because life in Russia would be better. Finns have a genetic propensity for alcoholism but nevertheless because they live well they are not chronic alcoholics like Russians were 20 years ago and more. A Finnish man (Aarne Arvonen) is even verified to have reached age 111 in 2008 in spite of Finland's small total population (ironically, he fought for the Reds during Finland's own civil war, which would have likely prevented him from reaching age 111 in the first place had his side actually won Finland's civil war). No Russian man or Ukrainian man or Belarusian man has been verified to have done this yet in spite of those countries much, much larger populations.

    Replies: @Beckow

  420. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ

    $160 billion was the estimate by Kiev Academy of Sciences for the losses by cutting free trade with Russia and replacing it with the EU Association. The document was published and circulated in EU and Kiev - it was not secret. It was based on linear assumptions and Brussels refused to pay - they also didn't have the money.

    Why should Euros pay anyway? Ukies wanted to get in, let them eat the losses. The theft part is neither here nor there - it doesn't work that way, money was for specific industries. They all steal anyway...

    The best that the East Slavic world has is probably Moscow and St.Petersburg, maybe Sochi. Ukraine had the potential but they blew it.


    how Ukraine would have developed in a normal, non-Communist 20th century.
     
    Ukraine wouldn't exist without the Commies who painstakingly created it from different territories. Western Ukraine would be in Poland, the south-east in regular Russia. The rest I am not sure.

    In WW2 the diversified Ukies would get wiped out, together with most Poles and Jews. Without the commies there was no chance that Germany wouldn't win and keep those territories. It would be a German region with some remaining low-level Ukie-Polish workers. Kind of like what the Ukies seem to want now, so maybe it would be all good...:)

    Why did we have to go through all the drama of the last few generations? Just serve the Western masters, be glad they let some of you to live and shut up...)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Why should Euros pay anyway? Ukies wanted to get in, let them eat the losses. The theft part is neither here nor there – it doesn’t work that way, money was for specific industries. They all steal anyway…

    If the EU could actually guarantee that the money was actually going to go to these specific industries, with proper safeguards, then it should have tried paying for this. Better than accepting more culturally incompatible Muslim and African refugees. (Just how much did Merkel’s mistake from 2015 end up costing Europe?) Or, alternatively, just not bother with the entire Eastern Partnership in the first place and let Russia have that region. Not very moral but Russia was going to have a headache reintegrating Ukraine when Ukraine’s pro-Russians were dying and replaced by pro-Europeans anyway, right?

    Ukraine wouldn’t exist without the Commies who painstakingly created it from different territories. Western Ukraine would be in Poland, the south-east in regular Russia. The rest I am not sure.

    In WW2 the diversified Ukies would get wiped out, together with most Poles and Jews. Without the commies there was no chance that Germany wouldn’t win and keep those territories. It would be a German region with some remaining low-level Ukie-Polish workers. Kind of like what the Ukies seem to want now, so maybe it would be all good…:)

    Why did we have to go through all the drama of the last few generations? Just serve the Western masters, be glad they let some of you to live and shut up…)

    I’m American, not Ukrainian. But as a side note, Ukraine could have probably been unified much earlier had the Bolsheviks not instilled defeatism in Russia’s military in 1917-1918 nor launched their successful coup in late 1917 together with their Left SR accomplices (who subsequently got purged by the Bolsheviks). All Russia had to do was to hold on to the current front lines and not launch any stupid offensives. The influx of US manpower on the Western Front was going to guarantee long-term victory for the Entente in WWI. But Russia couldn’t even do that, and subsequently paid for it dearly with the Russian Civil War, 1930s and 1940s famines and purges, and WWII. And a Russia that would have been led by the Right SRs, together with an associate role for groups like the Mensheviks, would have probably been governed more pragmatically than the Bolsheviks governed it. It wouldn’t rely on terror and brutality to anywhere near the same extent, would probably keep democracy, at least for a while (maybe not indefinitely, given what happened in that region in general in the interwar era), and pursue better economic policies. And also possibly not restrict freedom of speech/expression/assembly anywhere near as much nor have a stupid propiska system. Nor have anywhere near as massive of a chronic alcoholism problem because life in Russia would be better. Finns have a genetic propensity for alcoholism but nevertheless because they live well they are not chronic alcoholics like Russians were 20 years ago and more. A Finnish man (Aarne Arvonen) is even verified to have reached age 111 in 2008 in spite of Finland’s small total population (ironically, he fought for the Reds during Finland’s own civil war, which would have likely prevented him from reaching age 111 in the first place had his side actually won Finland’s civil war). No Russian man or Ukrainian man or Belarusian man has been verified to have done this yet in spite of those countries much, much larger populations.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Better than accepting more culturally incompatible Muslim and African refugees...how much did Merkel’s mistake from 2015 end up costing Europe? Or...let Russia have that region.
     
    The migrants are coming anyway, it has been decreed from somewhere that they must come - no matter the cost. It is unrelated to Ukraine.

    The real issue for Ukraine is that nobody really wants her: neither EU nor Russia want the commitment. Russia wanted to keep the status quo and trade, but didn't care to spend huge sums and to babysit the Ukie parochialism - "Bandera rules!" EU wanted access to the huge Russian market and cheap labor, no to spend money on pacifying awkward Ukie dreamers - "we are European, bla..."...(are they small children?)

    But everybody wanted Crimea - the key to the Black Sea. Without Crimea bases Russia may as well pack it up - they are diminished. The war is about Crimea, the access and security for the Russian bases. Zelko gives it away when he always goes back to it: "this year we will take Crimea!!!"...the bosses call him and remind what it is all about, and he like an idiot blurts it out.

    Russia taking Crimea in 2014 was a shock - the neo-cons got outplayed and were seething with rage. And it cost Russia almost nothing. The neo-cons were determined not to let it go - US-UK chiefs flew to Kiev to make sure Porky bombs Donbas. They refused any compromise like Minsk and eventually got the war. Kiev fights the war with a single objective: take or threaten Crimea. Russia does the same - get the land bridge and to grab all of the Azov sea.

    Today the neo-cons's objective is to make Crimea unusable and that no deal recognizes it as Russia. Crimea is the sine qua non of the conflict and Russia looks like they got that. But the neo-cons will never let it go....we have that to look forward to...


    Ukraine could have probably been unified much earlier had the Bolsheviks not instilled defeatism in Russia’s military in 1917-1918
     
    It was vice-versa as it always is: the defeatism spawned the Bolsheviks. All "what-ifs" scenarios are very speculative - the reality is what actually happened: Bolshies single-handedly created Ukraine. It was done very badly and we are paying a high price for that series of mistakes. Kind of like America made a fatal error with slavery and also is paying a high price. Most of life is just management of consequences...

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  421. @German_reader
    From Karlin's manifesto: Lord of the rings metaphor about Elite human capital:

    Furthermore, I would even say that the programmed triumph of Elite Human Capital is not just a cognitive triumph, but a spiritual and a moral one. The character defects inherent to the rightoid mindset apply just as much to that rare breed known as “right-wing intellectuals”, who while retaining local intellectual superiority can only do so through nihilistic cynicism and repeated cycles of “mind-killing” that lower them morally, like the Fallen Ainur, to a far greater degree that would ever be attainable for simpler minds. There is a reason why no other an authority than Moldbug himself sees fit to label them as “Dark Elves“, a race known across fantasy for their moderately high intelligence made abominable though cruelty and malice that no mere Orc could match. This theme of ascended villainy that is self-conscious and self-aware is prevalent in Elite Rightoid discourse – see the Dark Enlightenment, the Intellectual Dark Web, Dark MAGA, and those are the relatively tame variants! – which inevitably comes packaged with a Dark Occult aesthetics with its skulls and warhammers, Chaos stars, and necrophile rhetoric from the Spanish Legion’s “Love Live Death!” to Wagner’s sledgehammers which was taken to its logical parodic conclusions in yarowrath’s “Nazi Zombies” discourse that has found its apotheosis in the Z War. These comparisons and allusions are of course appropriate in view of the Dark Elves’ conscious decision to betray the Light and devote their lives to goading and manipulating the brutish Orcish rightoid hordes into waging war on Elite Human Capital, instead of submitting to the Music of the Ainur and using the intelligence bestowed upon them by their genetic privilege to work on uplifting them. However, in so doing, they primarily doom themselves: “The Shadow that bred [the Orcs] can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own.” The paranoia, conformism, and lack of meritocracy, trust, and rule of law observed in realms ruled by the Dark Lord across the fantasy genre closely resemble the communities and societies that really existing rightoids build. This environment in turns caps the capabilities of those Dark Elves who go over to the service of the Shadow, and even further widens the cognitive chasm between them and Elite Human Capital.
     

    Replies: @QCIC, @songbird, @Sher Singh

    Tolkien’s obscure mythology isn’t the best place to try to pull memes from, IMO.

    The best memes come from the Peter Jackson movies, playing off the alienness of the orcs, and the homogeneity of the European characters.

    If AK wants to promote the soy pill, then I suggest he watch Amazon’s Rings of Power, while taking screenshots and trying to caption them with something witty.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird


    The best memes come from the Peter Jackson movies
     
    Challenge accepted!

     
    https://instapundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/orcphobia.jpeg
     

    PEACE 😇
    , @German_reader
    @songbird


    Tolkien’s obscure mythology isn’t the best place to try to pull memes from, IMO.
     
    It's not pure Tolkien anyway. iirc there are no dark Elves in the Silmarillion or in LotR in the sense Karlin used the term (there are https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Moriquendi , but they aren't really evil, sadistic etc.). That's a concept from Warhammer 40k or something like Forgotten realms from Dungeons and Dragons.

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

  422. @songbird
    An historical question has been nagging me for quite a long time: why was the ancient Med so dangerous?

    Not like it is the Atlantic or the North Sea. And isn't the stormy season pretty predictable?

    Were the ships just really crappy back then? And why did they take so long to get better? Or did they not until modern times?

    Did the Romans really lose >100,000 men to drowning, after withdrawing from North Africa in 255 BC? Or is it just a made-up number?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_withdrawal_from_Africa_(255_BC)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @S

    Did the Romans really lose >100,000 men to drowning, after withdrawing from North Africa in 255 BC? Or is it just a made-up number?

    D*mn! That sounds as bad (or worse) than the Spanish Armada being drowned in 1588. I’m surprised the Roman’s were able to recover at all, let alone as quickly as they did. [According to your link it’s thought to have actually happened however.]

    Were the ships just really crappy back then?

    I don’t know if I’d say ‘crappy’. It’s what they had.

    The new Greek navy has a commissioned trireme, the Olympias, which during it’s 1987 sea trials, and fully manned with 200 slaves (err…volunteers) rowing, was found to be highly maneuverable, and could make about 10 mph. [Just kidding about the ‘new’ Greek navy. But the Trireme is an officially commissioned ship of the modern Greek navy.]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympias_(trireme)

    What I find absolutely astounding is the oldest intact shipwreck is a 2400 year old Greek trading vessel found at the bottom of the Black Sea. [That’s an actual photo of it.]

    https://wordlesstech.com/worlds-oldest-shipwreck-discovered-intact/#post/0

    • Replies: @songbird
    @S


    D*mn! That sounds as bad (or worse) than the Spanish Armada being drowned in 1588.
     
    Battle of Cape Ecnomus which happened in 255BC is a solid candidate for the biggest naval battle ever.

    Guess that they didn't have rudders back then - that does sound kind of dangerous.

    Oftentimes, military expeditions relied on green wood. True of the Ottomans after Lepanto. And Benedict Arnold's expedition through the Maine woods. Wonder if that could have been another factor.

    The new Greek navy has a commissioned trireme, the Olympias, which during it’s 1987 sea trials, and fully manned with 200 slaves (err…volunteers)
     
    I've long thought that a movie about the Knights of St. John would make very excellent propaganda. The main difficulty would be dealing with them capturing galley slaves.

    Replies: @S

  423. @songbird
    @German_reader

    Tolkien's obscure mythology isn't the best place to try to pull memes from, IMO.

    The best memes come from the Peter Jackson movies, playing off the alienness of the orcs, and the homogeneity of the European characters.

    If AK wants to promote the soy pill, then I suggest he watch Amazon's Rings of Power, while taking screenshots and trying to caption them with something witty.

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader

    The best memes come from the Peter Jackson movies

    Challenge accepted!

     

     

    PEACE 😇

    • LOL: songbird
  424. If the AI graphics generators continue to evolve at their current pace it won’t be long before some 25 year old in his parents’ basement will be able to make an epic long form movie of this

    on his laptop computer and just put it out on the internet to show the world how clever he is. And it will be better than Game of Thrones Lord of the Rings. The Hollywood film industry is running out of life force.

    Lots of good stuff on this guy’s blog:

    https://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/2014/10/23/the-occult-knapp/#

  425. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    Tolkien's obscure mythology isn't the best place to try to pull memes from, IMO.

    The best memes come from the Peter Jackson movies, playing off the alienness of the orcs, and the homogeneity of the European characters.

    If AK wants to promote the soy pill, then I suggest he watch Amazon's Rings of Power, while taking screenshots and trying to caption them with something witty.

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader

    Tolkien’s obscure mythology isn’t the best place to try to pull memes from, IMO.

    It’s not pure Tolkien anyway. iirc there are no dark Elves in the Silmarillion or in LotR in the sense Karlin used the term (there are https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Moriquendi , but they aren’t really evil, sadistic etc.). That’s a concept from Warhammer 40k or something like Forgotten realms from Dungeons and Dragons.

    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader

    The elves of Middle Earth were not particularly kind either. The Noldor origin story is steeped in blood & theft : (1)


    Kinslaying at Alqualondë

     

    When Fëanor decided to leave Valinor he needed ships to travel to Middle-earth, but the Noldor possessed no ships, and Fëanor feared that any delay in their departure would cause the Noldor to reconsider. The Noldor, led by Fëanor and his sons, tried to persuade the Falmari of Alqualondë, to give him their Swan-ships. However, King Olwë and his people would not help them, since it was against the will of the Valar, and in fact attempted to persuade their friends to reconsider their decision to leave. Displeased with the Teleri's answer, the Noldor started taking the ships by force. This angered the Teleri, and they threatened the Noldor with rocks and arrows, and they threw many of Fëanor's Noldor out of the ships into the harbour. They also attempted to block the harbour.

    Then the Noldor drew swords, and the Teleri their bows, and there was a bitter fight that seemed evenly matched, until the second Host of the Noldor, led by Fingon, arrived together with some of Fingolfin's people. Misunderstanding the situation, they assumed the Teleri had attacked the Noldor under orders of the Valar, and they joined the fight. In the end, many Teleri were slain and the ships were taken. The Noldor that continued their flight towards Middle-earth were therefore cursed by Mandos.
     
    JRR Tolkien created a mythology with depth and authentic feel.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Kinslaying_at_Alqualond%C3%AB
    , @songbird
    @German_reader


    It’s not pure Tolkien anyway.
     
    Tolkien seems necessary to adulterate it a bit, so that it is not necessarily a reference to blacks.

    I think most people familiar with Dark Elves probably get their images from reading RA Salvatore (a native of my state) though not necessarily a high-brow writer. Though he got it from D&D.

    Replies: @A123

  426. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Tolkien’s obscure mythology isn’t the best place to try to pull memes from, IMO.
     
    It's not pure Tolkien anyway. iirc there are no dark Elves in the Silmarillion or in LotR in the sense Karlin used the term (there are https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Moriquendi , but they aren't really evil, sadistic etc.). That's a concept from Warhammer 40k or something like Forgotten realms from Dungeons and Dragons.

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

    The elves of Middle Earth were not particularly kind either. The Noldor origin story is steeped in blood & theft : (1)

    Kinslaying at Alqualondë

    When Fëanor decided to leave Valinor he needed ships to travel to Middle-earth, but the Noldor possessed no ships, and Fëanor feared that any delay in their departure would cause the Noldor to reconsider. The Noldor, led by Fëanor and his sons, tried to persuade the Falmari of Alqualondë, to give him their Swan-ships. However, King Olwë and his people would not help them, since it was against the will of the Valar, and in fact attempted to persuade their friends to reconsider their decision to leave. Displeased with the Teleri’s answer, the Noldor started taking the ships by force. This angered the Teleri, and they threatened the Noldor with rocks and arrows, and they threw many of Fëanor’s Noldor out of the ships into the harbour. They also attempted to block the harbour.

    Then the Noldor drew swords, and the Teleri their bows, and there was a bitter fight that seemed evenly matched, until the second Host of the Noldor, led by Fingon, arrived together with some of Fingolfin’s people. Misunderstanding the situation, they assumed the Teleri had attacked the Noldor under orders of the Valar, and they joined the fight. In the end, many Teleri were slain and the ships were taken. The Noldor that continued their flight towards Middle-earth were therefore cursed by Mandos.

    JRR Tolkien created a mythology with depth and authentic feel.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Kinslaying_at_Alqualond%C3%AB

  427. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    Ukrainian children know when they see a false Santa:

    https://static.kyivpost.com/storage/2023/12/24/acddb4ae9bc5cd0bf6fda20d395d774a.jpg?w=900&q=90&f=webp

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    false Santa

    Santa is always false. The genuine item is called Grandfather Frost (Дед Мороз).

    • Agree: Gerard1234
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Have the Dutch cancelled Black Pete yet?

    https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/1209B/production/_112738837_mediaitem112738836.jpg

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/14/black-pete-scandal-dutch-silent-sinterklaas

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    The genuine item is called Grandfather Frost (Дед Мороз).
     
    Дед Мороз was supposed to be a substitute for St. Nicholas, as the elevation of New Years was supposed to eclipse the Christmas holidays in the new Communist ideology to root out the Christian holidays. It's telling that you don't know this and consider Дед Мороз to be the "genuine item". :-(

    https://life.pravda.com.ua/images/doc/d/b/db19fab--mykolai.jpg

    https://youtu.be/TqNTPFOynBM

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

  428. @Matra
    the atheist Soviets limited Christmas celebrations and transferred a lot of Christmas traditions to New Years. So there is a “New Years” rather than a Christmas tree, the family gathers together to celebrate New Years, etc.

    Sounds are even more lame than official USA & Canada with their "holiday trees" and endless references to the generic "holidays". At least in North America normal people - ie. non-libtards - still, for the most part, refer to "Christmas", though I suppose with media & corporate brainwashing they'll eventually be as bad as Russians.

    On another topic - Karlin's manifesto has made him an object of ridicule. I don't even follow him on Twitter yet at least half a dozen times yesterday it came up in my feed accompanied by comical remarks and even pity. To make matters worse the manifesto only got people's attention because a more high profile version of himself, Richard Hanania/Hoste, promoted it. Given the latter's similar u-turns and increasingly grotesque attempts to ingratiate himself with higher status Jews to avoid being cancelled by endorsing Israel's genocide in Gaza, this has led to the two socially anxious HBDers, now turned liberals, being lumped together.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yevardian

    On another topic – Karlin’s manifesto has made him an object of ridicule. I don’t even follow him on Twitter yet at least half a dozen times yesterday it came up in my feed accompanied by comical remarks and even pity.

    I’ll try not to punch down (it’s in very bad taste), but I’m going to have to check this out. Can you direct for our prurient interest where he’s being “ratioed”?

    @German_Reader

    However, the reason I eventually decided to call this an intellectual restructuring rather than an intellectual bankruptcy is that even though much of what I wrote about has ultimately turned out to be either invalidated or “negative value added” in terms of net global welfare – things such as anti-immigration nativism, reactionary anti-Wokeism, and any other form of identitarian or patriotic attachment, including Russian nationalism – there are many interesting and original ideas in my corpus of work about politics, geopolitics, and even psychometrics that stand in isolation and remain relatively unsullied by my prior reactionary biases, to say nothing of my writings on transhumanism and existential risks, which have if anything accrued value now that Future Shock is engulfing the world.

    Wow. Sometimes I’m self-conscious about throwing around a paragraph with dozens of 10 dollar words when 2-3 simple sentences would do perfectly fine, but this is really something.

    Actually, I finally gave in and started posting on Twitter (disgusting!) a month ago or so, I needed some sort of anonymous release to mouth off a bit, but 4chan is a kid’s website and I couldn’t take any more Ukraine circle-jerks here. But I’ve noticed that Mr Hanania probably arouses more rancour and contempt than any other user on RW twitter, betrayal real is the worst sin for most people.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Yevardian

    I'll try being kind and will say in many ways this is Anatoly returning to his roots as a talented writer of sci-fi alarmism, rather than his stint as a Russian nationalist, which always felt forced and insincere to me.
    I personally enjoyed his (self-knowingly?) crazy "Rise of the Polar Civilisations" and "Simmered to the Edge of the World" era of blogging the best.
    I doubt Putin still reads Anatoly's blog anymore, whilst Russia has proved less unstable than I feared during the initial threatening-fiasco period of the SMO, so best of luck to him in his endeavours.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    Wow. Sometimes I’m self-conscious about throwing around a paragraph with dozens of 10 dollar words when 2-3 simple sentences would do perfectly fine, but this is really something.
     
    A lot of the manifesto is like that. Comes across not least like an attempt to "prove" that despite any indications to the contrary Karlin really is an extremely smart guy, and also a highly moral human being, much superior to the rightoid trash he used to associate with. Quite hilarious in its earnestness.
    It's also really striking how Karlin once again comes across as an "extremely online" person (or rather thing, to respect how he...it now identifies), who attaches excessive importance to Twitter personalities and various online communities.
    His detailed description of his interactions with various "rightoid" psychos and grifters (whom he takes to be representative of a "Rightoid international"), mostly from the former Alt-right sphere, is pretty funny though in a way. Some hilarious stuff in there, e.g. one of his former Russian nationalist associates (Kyrill Nesterov) has re-invented himself as a popular youtuber about video games, lol.

    I couldn’t take any more Ukraine circle-jerks here
     
    Understandable. On that note, you were right to call me out for my having called LatW a "stupid cow". I can't have any sympathy for many of the views she's expressed in the past (like her enthusiasm for sending those "Free Russians" over the border), but it was very bad style from me to descend to the level of such insults. Insofar as that's possible, I want to apologize both to her and other commenters.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh, @Mr. Hack, @Mikel, @LatW, @Yevardian

  429. @Yevardian
    @Matra


    On another topic – Karlin’s manifesto has made him an object of ridicule. I don’t even follow him on Twitter yet at least half a dozen times yesterday it came up in my feed accompanied by comical remarks and even pity.
     
    I'll try not to punch down (it's in very bad taste), but I'm going to have to check this out. Can you direct for our prurient interest where he's being "ratioed"?

    @German_Reader


    However, the reason I eventually decided to call this an intellectual restructuring rather than an intellectual bankruptcy is that even though much of what I wrote about has ultimately turned out to be either invalidated or “negative value added” in terms of net global welfare – things such as anti-immigration nativism, reactionary anti-Wokeism, and any other form of identitarian or patriotic attachment, including Russian nationalism – there are many interesting and original ideas in my corpus of work about politics, geopolitics, and even psychometrics that stand in isolation and remain relatively unsullied by my prior reactionary biases, to say nothing of my writings on transhumanism and existential risks, which have if anything accrued value now that Future Shock is engulfing the world.
     

     
    Wow. Sometimes I'm self-conscious about throwing around a paragraph with dozens of 10 dollar words when 2-3 simple sentences would do perfectly fine, but this is really something.

    Actually, I finally gave in and started posting on Twitter (disgusting!) a month ago or so, I needed some sort of anonymous release to mouth off a bit, but 4chan is a kid's website and I couldn't take any more Ukraine circle-jerks here. But I've noticed that Mr Hanania probably arouses more rancour and contempt than any other user on RW twitter, betrayal real is the worst sin for most people.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @German_reader

    I’ll try being kind and will say in many ways this is Anatoly returning to his roots as a talented writer of sci-fi alarmism, rather than his stint as a Russian nationalist, which always felt forced and insincere to me.
    I personally enjoyed his (self-knowingly?) crazy “Rise of the Polar Civilisations” and “Simmered to the Edge of the World” era of blogging the best.
    I doubt Putin still reads Anatoly’s blog anymore, whilst Russia has proved less unstable than I feared during the initial threatening-fiasco period of the SMO, so best of luck to him in his endeavours.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Yevardian

    There is a good chance Tolya is using AI to write his stuff. He may believe the AI knows him better than he knows himself, so why not? Just give the AI a suggestion or hint every now and then and let it run. I wonder if Ron does the same thing? AI is hosted on a bunch of CPUs and hey, they need some good exercise.

    Anatoly is more sensitive to the "big picture" than most Unzians. He may not get it right, but his mind is in the right place. I agree with his suggestions that humans may be poised on the brink of big changes.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  430. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    false Santa
     
    Santa is always false. The genuine item is called Grandfather Frost (Дед Мороз).

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Have the Dutch cancelled Black Pete yet?
     
    It’s Grandfather Frost in Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus. Who knows what’s it in the Netherlands? And who cares, except maybe Dutch.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

  431. @S
    @songbird


    Did the Romans really lose >100,000 men to drowning, after withdrawing from North Africa in 255 BC? Or is it just a made-up number?
     
    D*mn! That sounds as bad (or worse) than the Spanish Armada being drowned in 1588. I'm surprised the Roman's were able to recover at all, let alone as quickly as they did. [According to your link it's thought to have actually happened however.]

    Were the ships just really crappy back then?
     
    I don't know if I'd say 'crappy'. It's what they had.

    The new Greek navy has a commissioned trireme, the Olympias, which during it's 1987 sea trials, and fully manned with 200 slaves (err...volunteers) rowing, was found to be highly maneuverable, and could make about 10 mph. [Just kidding about the 'new' Greek navy. But the Trireme is an officially commissioned ship of the modern Greek navy.]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympias_(trireme)

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/The_trireme_Olympias_on_23_February_2019.jpg/600px-The_trireme_Olympias_on_23_February_2019.jpg

    What I find absolutely astounding is the oldest intact shipwreck is a 2400 year old Greek trading vessel found at the bottom of the Black Sea. [That's an actual photo of it.]

    https://wordlesstech.com/worlds-oldest-shipwreck-discovered-intact/#post/0

    https://wordlesstech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/World’s-Oldest-Shipwreck-Discovered-Intact-1.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

    D*mn! That sounds as bad (or worse) than the Spanish Armada being drowned in 1588.

    Battle of Cape Ecnomus which happened in 255BC is a solid candidate for the biggest naval battle ever.

    Guess that they didn’t have rudders back then – that does sound kind of dangerous.

    Oftentimes, military expeditions relied on green wood. True of the Ottomans after Lepanto. And Benedict Arnold’s expedition through the Maine woods. Wonder if that could have been another factor.

    The new Greek navy has a commissioned trireme, the Olympias, which during it’s 1987 sea trials, and fully manned with 200 slaves (err…volunteers)

    I’ve long thought that a movie about the Knights of St. John would make very excellent propaganda. The main difficulty would be dealing with them capturing galley slaves.

    • Replies: @S
    @songbird


    Battle of Cape Ecnomus which happened in 255BC is a solid candidate for the biggest naval battle ever...Guess that they didn’t have rudders back then – that does sound kind of dangerous.
     
    The Romans did have their famous saying: If the gods had wanted us to swim, they would have given us fins!' ;-)

    The main difficulty would be dealing with them capturing galley slaves.
     
    The hordes of illegal migrants said to be seeking work could be given the task. They would get gainful employment. You'd get your galley slaves. Also this means of propulsion would be very green as there would be no carbon imprint. A win-win-win situation for all concerned.

    Sometimes these problems can resolve themselves if we would just let them. :-)
  432. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Tolkien’s obscure mythology isn’t the best place to try to pull memes from, IMO.
     
    It's not pure Tolkien anyway. iirc there are no dark Elves in the Silmarillion or in LotR in the sense Karlin used the term (there are https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Moriquendi , but they aren't really evil, sadistic etc.). That's a concept from Warhammer 40k or something like Forgotten realms from Dungeons and Dragons.

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

    It’s not pure Tolkien anyway.

    Tolkien seems necessary to adulterate it a bit, so that it is not necessarily a reference to blacks.

    I think most people familiar with Dark Elves probably get their images from reading RA Salvatore (a native of my state) though not necessarily a high-brow writer. Though he got it from D&D.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird


    Tolkien seems necessary to adulterate it a bit, so that it is not necessarily a reference to blacks.
     
    Tolkien's life was shaped by WW I. Mordor is Germany. LOTR came out in the 50's. It is somewhat accepted that Isengard is loosely Mussolini's Italy.

    Orcs were twisted elves, thus they share a common ethnicity. Given how much Orcs hate the sun, perhaps they were Ginger;) That makes more sense than African pigmentation.

    The Oliphaunt (a.k.a. Mumakil) riding Haradrim were swarthy and came from South of Mordor. They are they most ethnic group you can find. I do not believe they had any named characters in the LOTR books.

    Trying to inflict modern green or race concepts onto Tolkien's 1937-1955 works simply does not function.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

  433. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Have the Dutch cancelled Black Pete yet?

    https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/1209B/production/_112738837_mediaitem112738836.jpg

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/14/black-pete-scandal-dutch-silent-sinterklaas

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Have the Dutch cancelled Black Pete yet?

    It’s Grandfather Frost in Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus. Who knows what’s it in the Netherlands? And who cares, except maybe Dutch.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @AnonfromTN

    Another difference with Santa: Santa’s companion is reindeer. Grandfather Frost’s companion is a young girl Снегурочка (loose translation: Snow Maiden).

    Most nations have their own personages bringing Christmas/New Year presents. E.g., in Finland it’s Joulupukki. Santa is used by Anglo-Saxons and their bootlickers.

    , @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    Russian contribution to western Christmas is Troika by Prokofiev, Carol of the bells ( yes that is Russian not ukrop) and of course the Nutcracker suite. In addition other Russian ballet part of the Christmas concert season also. That's a large contribution

    Polish contribution to western Christmas is of course..... f**k all. Nothing. Zero. Totally useless.

    Closest thing to a Polish contribution to Christmas is the actress in Irony of Fate (which of course is New Year)

    Western Christmas (and its parts that were adopted into Russian New Year/Christmas) is mostly German and some British Christmas objects ( yelka, baubles, cracker etc) , traditional Christmas music from primarily German, French, English compositions. German Christmas markets are very pleasant and appear to have been adopted over the world. Of course their Saint Nicholas vision is American creation and big originator of many facets to modern Western and all the world Christmas. Then there is (((American))) Christmas popular music.
    Ice rinks don't appear to be that popular in Europe for this period as for Russia.
    Maybe ice-skating in Netherlands.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  434. @songbird
    @German_reader


    It’s not pure Tolkien anyway.
     
    Tolkien seems necessary to adulterate it a bit, so that it is not necessarily a reference to blacks.

    I think most people familiar with Dark Elves probably get their images from reading RA Salvatore (a native of my state) though not necessarily a high-brow writer. Though he got it from D&D.

    Replies: @A123

    Tolkien seems necessary to adulterate it a bit, so that it is not necessarily a reference to blacks.

    Tolkien’s life was shaped by WW I. Mordor is Germany. LOTR came out in the 50’s. It is somewhat accepted that Isengard is loosely Mussolini’s Italy.

    Orcs were twisted elves, thus they share a common ethnicity. Given how much Orcs hate the sun, perhaps they were Ginger;) That makes more sense than African pigmentation.

    The Oliphaunt (a.k.a. Mumakil) riding Haradrim were swarthy and came from South of Mordor. They are they most ethnic group you can find. I do not believe they had any named characters in the LOTR books.

    Trying to inflict modern green or race concepts onto Tolkien’s 1937-1955 works simply does not function.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123


    The Oliphaunt (a.k.a. Mumakil) riding Haradrim were swarthy and came from South of . They are they most ethnic group you can find. I do not believe they had any named characters in the LOTR books.
     
    The Punic people had very few names. (Assuming they weren't supposed to be Indians or some other group)

    BTW, I require GR to review the book Elephant Over the Alps by Cynthia Pilkington (1961) about this:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Alpine_Hannibal_Expedition

    IIRC, the Punics mostly used the extinct North African species (casualty of the conflict, I'm afraid) , which was smaller but had a more African-looking head (possibly somewhat similar to the African forest elephant) But there is some theory that the only elephant to make it through was an Indian one.
  435. @Yevardian
    @Yevardian

    I'll try being kind and will say in many ways this is Anatoly returning to his roots as a talented writer of sci-fi alarmism, rather than his stint as a Russian nationalist, which always felt forced and insincere to me.
    I personally enjoyed his (self-knowingly?) crazy "Rise of the Polar Civilisations" and "Simmered to the Edge of the World" era of blogging the best.
    I doubt Putin still reads Anatoly's blog anymore, whilst Russia has proved less unstable than I feared during the initial threatening-fiasco period of the SMO, so best of luck to him in his endeavours.

    Replies: @QCIC

    There is a good chance Tolya is using AI to write his stuff. He may believe the AI knows him better than he knows himself, so why not? Just give the AI a suggestion or hint every now and then and let it run. I wonder if Ron does the same thing? AI is hosted on a bunch of CPUs and hey, they need some good exercise.

    Anatoly is more sensitive to the “big picture” than most Unzians. He may not get it right, but his mind is in the right place. I agree with his suggestions that humans may be poised on the brink of big changes.

    • LOL: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    Maybe he has taken a job with McKinsey and he's finished his training course.

  436. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    false Santa
     
    Santa is always false. The genuine item is called Grandfather Frost (Дед Мороз).

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    The genuine item is called Grandfather Frost (Дед Мороз).

    Дед Мороз was supposed to be a substitute for St. Nicholas, as the elevation of New Years was supposed to eclipse the Christmas holidays in the new Communist ideology to root out the Christian holidays. It’s telling that you don’t know this and consider Дед Мороз to be the “genuine item”. 🙁

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    The Hack and AP cultural nitpicking arguments with people who understand the cultures better than they do is painful to watch. It may be time for you to find a new cause celebre.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    Ded Moroz and Santa are parallels. Both were 19th century inventions loosely based both on Saint Nicholas and on pagan ideas. And both were used ot glorify post-Christian cultures; in America, materialist consumerism, and in the USSR, Soviet atheist New Years as replacement for Christmas.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  437. @Sean
    The trouble with you Johnson is you are concentrating on trivialities: those in the Western opining as if they are going to be the cause of anything that happens in the Ukraine war. The war stems from what people in Russia think, and we know they have always thought it: a February 2008 memo from William J. Burns to Condoleezza Rice warned her (the then Secretary of State) that if the Bush administration invited Georgia and Ukraine into a process to join NATO, Putin would be willing to immediately use military force against Georgia. Burns' further warned it would be hard to overstate the strategic consequences” of offering Ukraine NATO membership". Bush carried on regardless and Georgia was invaded by Russia a few months after the invite was accepted.

    It is noteworthy that in 2008 Burns said virtually all Russians of any account, including those who disliked the Putin regime, thought Ukraine entering Nato was unacceptable. You keep talking as if it is all about Putin being morally malfeasant and misrepresenting the geopolitical situation to his hapless domestic audience. But Russians know Ukraine thinks Ukraine is free to become allegiant to the West, and so force is the only way to stop Ukraine doing what they (Russians) consider unacceptable. And Russia is in the process of paying a heavy toll for stopping Ukraine. See, there is no misunderstanding just a genuine conflict between two peoples about their respective national security interests.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Bush carried on regardless and Georgia was invaded by Russia a few months after the invite was accepted.

    During NATO’s 2008 April summit in Bucharest, the United States and Poland called for Georgia to be allowed to join the Membership Action Plan (MAP), but the alliance decided not to offer Georgia a MAP due to opposition from several countries, led by France and Germany, who feared the decision would anger Russia, therefore there was neither official invite nor any acception done that year prior 2008 August war in Georgia.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @sudden death

    Frankly, NATO should have asked for something in return from Russia in exchange for not offering Georgia and Ukraine MAPs back then, such as a legally binding Russian commitment in writing to wage a trade embargo (and certainly an oil embargo) on China in the event of any war between China and the US and/or any US ally (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines, et cetera). If people like Steve Hsu are genuinely serious about the Russo-Chinese alliance being unnatural, then agreeing to this should not have been too hard for Russia, right? I mean, sure, Russia might not enjoy behaving in such a way towards China in response to a war which Russia itself would have no stakes in, but the West should get something huge in exchange from Russia for not expanding Ukraine into Georgia and Ukraine, right?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Derer, @QCIC

    , @Sean
    @sudden death


    https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2008/04-april/e0403h.html

    At the Bucharest Summit, NATO Allies welcomed Ukraine's and Georgia's Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership and agreed that these countries will become members of NATO
     
    On August 7th 2008, the Russian Army invaded the territory controlled by the central government of Georgia.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Derer

  438. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian
    @Matra


    On another topic – Karlin’s manifesto has made him an object of ridicule. I don’t even follow him on Twitter yet at least half a dozen times yesterday it came up in my feed accompanied by comical remarks and even pity.
     
    I'll try not to punch down (it's in very bad taste), but I'm going to have to check this out. Can you direct for our prurient interest where he's being "ratioed"?

    @German_Reader


    However, the reason I eventually decided to call this an intellectual restructuring rather than an intellectual bankruptcy is that even though much of what I wrote about has ultimately turned out to be either invalidated or “negative value added” in terms of net global welfare – things such as anti-immigration nativism, reactionary anti-Wokeism, and any other form of identitarian or patriotic attachment, including Russian nationalism – there are many interesting and original ideas in my corpus of work about politics, geopolitics, and even psychometrics that stand in isolation and remain relatively unsullied by my prior reactionary biases, to say nothing of my writings on transhumanism and existential risks, which have if anything accrued value now that Future Shock is engulfing the world.
     

     
    Wow. Sometimes I'm self-conscious about throwing around a paragraph with dozens of 10 dollar words when 2-3 simple sentences would do perfectly fine, but this is really something.

    Actually, I finally gave in and started posting on Twitter (disgusting!) a month ago or so, I needed some sort of anonymous release to mouth off a bit, but 4chan is a kid's website and I couldn't take any more Ukraine circle-jerks here. But I've noticed that Mr Hanania probably arouses more rancour and contempt than any other user on RW twitter, betrayal real is the worst sin for most people.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @German_reader

    Wow. Sometimes I’m self-conscious about throwing around a paragraph with dozens of 10 dollar words when 2-3 simple sentences would do perfectly fine, but this is really something.

    A lot of the manifesto is like that. Comes across not least like an attempt to “prove” that despite any indications to the contrary Karlin really is an extremely smart guy, and also a highly moral human being, much superior to the rightoid trash he used to associate with. Quite hilarious in its earnestness.
    It’s also really striking how Karlin once again comes across as an “extremely online” person (or rather thing, to respect how he…it now identifies), who attaches excessive importance to Twitter personalities and various online communities.
    His detailed description of his interactions with various “rightoid” psychos and grifters (whom he takes to be representative of a “Rightoid international”), mostly from the former Alt-right sphere, is pretty funny though in a way. Some hilarious stuff in there, e.g. one of his former Russian nationalist associates (Kyrill Nesterov) has re-invented himself as a popular youtuber about video games, lol.

    I couldn’t take any more Ukraine circle-jerks here

    Understandable. On that note, you were right to call me out for my having called LatW a “stupid cow”. I can’t have any sympathy for many of the views she’s expressed in the past (like her enthusiasm for sending those “Free Russians” over the border), but it was very bad style from me to descend to the level of such insults. Insofar as that’s possible, I want to apologize both to her and other commenters.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Frankly, I like the fact that the Free Russia Legion has a fist as its logo:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/Freedom_of_Russia_Legion_patch_set.jpg/800px-Freedom_of_Russia_Legion_patch_set.jpg

    BTW, off-topic, but I've got an alternate history question for you: Had Russia ever still eventually descended into revolution (but not a Bolshevik revolution) without WWI, do you think that Germany and/or Austria-Hungary would have used it as an excuse to militarily intervene in Russia and set up some puppet states along Russia's border? Or would they have first sought to make a deal with the Tsar and/or some other Russian reactionaries to help them keep/regain power in Russia in exchange for them abandoning Russia's alliance with France and recreating the Three Emperors' League together with Germany and Austria-Hungary? (With the creating puppet states scenario only being a backup option in the event that Russian reactionaries will refuse to abandon the French alliance in order to secure German and Austro-Hungarian aid in favor of their cause in any hypothetical post-revolution Russian civil war?)

    , @Sher Singh
    @German_reader

    https://twitter.com/dang3rn00dles/status/1742143995994648635

    , @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    Why oh why do commenters like you and Yevardian heap such infantile and unfair criticism on those other commenters here (like myself) for discussing the Russian/Ukrainian war? This website was originally designed to be a forum for all things Russian and therefore the current war should naturally loom to the top of the list of contemporary and important topics to be discussed here. And why pick on those of us who lean towards the Ukrainian side? Why doesn't your derogatory imagery include a disgusting term like a "Russian circle jerk"? If the two of you prefer discussing ancient Greek and Roman literature, certainly there must be other forums that could fulfill your needs much better than here? BTW, I also tire of this war, and often discuss other topics totally unrelated, but feel compelled to talk about this very dangerous war especially after discussing it and its effects with a cousin of mine over the phone (like I did last night) who is now in a deep depression and crying about her feelings about it too. :-(

    Show a little bit more compassion, Okay?

    Replies: @Poupon Marx, @Yevardian, @German_reader

    , @Mikel
    @German_reader


    I can’t have any sympathy for many of the views she’s expressed in the past
     
    Neither can I. But her female perspective on non-political matters is interesting to have here. Even her political views, to the extent she keeps her mercurial temperament under control, are useful. She's possibly a good representative of the people of her generation in that part of the ex-USSR and whether one likes it or not, these people are playing a crucial role in the new international order that's forming. Hope she'll get over the affront.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @LatW
    @German_reader


    but it was very bad style from me to descend to the level of such insults.
     
    It's not about style (and you are typically measured, at least towards non-EEs), it's characteristic of your overall condescending attitude - you have a strange kind of a very negative animus towards me. I admit that a lot of what I've posted over the years has been pure emotional trolling (this is simply because I have to lead a rather structured life with obligations and have no other emotional outlet, and, yes, I understand it's unseemly) but not even all of it, and some of what I posted was intentionally provocative - mostly for entertainment purposes, to deal with boredom. Also, I had to address some of the blatant misrepresentations here and attacks on my own nation and its history.

    However, I know several Eastern Euro languages, not just Russian - this is something that practically none of you here do. I have real life sources and my background has allowed me to see things you haven't seen.

    I knew that some anti-Russia posts would illicit a negative reaction. However, what did you guys expect - to not have the position of Russia's neighbors represented on a Russian reaction forum?

    I have already taken a ton of hostility and rudeness on this forum - some of it slightly provoked maybe, but most of it - completely undeserved and a lot of it based on bigotry. Just because people do not want to hear about reality - all aspects of it. They don't like their comfortable little truths to be challenged.


    like her enthusiasm for sending those “Free Russians” over the border
     
    That's just because I get excited by such wild paramilitary types - sorry, it's a personal weakness that I will admit. I recognize that it is questionable and somewhat unethical to support some of their activity - but then again, it is also unethical how the Putin regime has treated some of them prior (not to mention the invasion). They are on their own land and they have a right to fight for their freedom. Свободу России!

    As to Toly's latest outburst of graphomania - yes, it is hilarious and funny, but I'm really puzzled as to how you guys did not notice his orientation from the get go (granted, he did hide it well) - I was aware of it years ago. It's just the most elaborate and hilarious coming out I've ever seen.

    As to the Dark Elves - a translator friend of mine who knows Tolkien very well, once told me that some of the elves were taken captive either by orcs or by some dark forces and bred with them so this is how the Dark Elves came into this world - I'm not sure if he just made that up or if it's somewhere in the books (I don't recall such a thing, but then I didn't scour through them the way he did), but Morgul means sorcery in Sindarin, and it is somehow connected to the Nazgul. So these Dark Elves are somehow connected to this. That's how he explained it, but he may have made it up (he had created his own "mythical persona" based on that).

    To Mr Hack: rest assured I will not be abandoning our cause, our common freedom, but will find a more productive way to fight for it (without toxicity and insults).

    Enjoy your eco chamber, gentlemen.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @songbird, @S, @Derer, @German_reader

    , @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    Got anymore tasty excepts?
    I might take a look at his schizo manifesto myself (is it on PDF?), would be an fun contrast to what I'm just finishing now, the Ur-Rightoid and 'Father of Racism', Arthur Gobineau. A lot of 1850s mental gymnastics 'proving' that after "Adamite Man", every known Civilisation, including the Chinese, Semites ("Assyrians"), Mexicans and Andeans, was originally founded and subsequently only maintained by white Aryans.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel, @Coconuts

  439. @sudden death
    @Sean


    Bush carried on regardless and Georgia was invaded by Russia a few months after the invite was accepted.
     
    During NATO's 2008 April summit in Bucharest, the United States and Poland called for Georgia to be allowed to join the Membership Action Plan (MAP), but the alliance decided not to offer Georgia a MAP due to opposition from several countries, led by France and Germany, who feared the decision would anger Russia, therefore there was neither official invite nor any acception done that year prior 2008 August war in Georgia.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Sean

    Frankly, NATO should have asked for something in return from Russia in exchange for not offering Georgia and Ukraine MAPs back then, such as a legally binding Russian commitment in writing to wage a trade embargo (and certainly an oil embargo) on China in the event of any war between China and the US and/or any US ally (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines, et cetera). If people like Steve Hsu are genuinely serious about the Russo-Chinese alliance being unnatural, then agreeing to this should not have been too hard for Russia, right? I mean, sure, Russia might not enjoy behaving in such a way towards China in response to a war which Russia itself would have no stakes in, but the West should get something huge in exchange from Russia for not expanding Ukraine into Georgia and Ukraine, right?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    As a side note, Russia could have employed similar logic back in 1914: As in, let Austria-Hungary have its way with Serbia in exchange for legally binding German and Austro-Hungarian commitments in writing to support or at least not militarily oppose a Russian amphibious landing in Constantinople and the Straits sometime down the line. Trading Serbia for Constantinople and the Straits seems like a good deal from a 1914 Russian perspective, no?

    , @Derer
    @Mr. XYZ


    the West should get something huge in exchange from Russia for not expanding Ukraine into Georgia and Ukraine, right?
     
    On the other-hand the Russia should get something huge in exchange from the USA for not expanding to Cuba, Venezuela or Nicaragua, perhaps even Mexico. The old cold war relic NATO (US foreign policy instrument) has finished to be a world policeman after too many failed escapades.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    You are such a troll. Are you the ghost of Karlin trying to confuse the midwits on your own blog?

  440. @Mr. XYZ
    @sudden death

    Frankly, NATO should have asked for something in return from Russia in exchange for not offering Georgia and Ukraine MAPs back then, such as a legally binding Russian commitment in writing to wage a trade embargo (and certainly an oil embargo) on China in the event of any war between China and the US and/or any US ally (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines, et cetera). If people like Steve Hsu are genuinely serious about the Russo-Chinese alliance being unnatural, then agreeing to this should not have been too hard for Russia, right? I mean, sure, Russia might not enjoy behaving in such a way towards China in response to a war which Russia itself would have no stakes in, but the West should get something huge in exchange from Russia for not expanding Ukraine into Georgia and Ukraine, right?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Derer, @QCIC

    As a side note, Russia could have employed similar logic back in 1914: As in, let Austria-Hungary have its way with Serbia in exchange for legally binding German and Austro-Hungarian commitments in writing to support or at least not militarily oppose a Russian amphibious landing in Constantinople and the Straits sometime down the line. Trading Serbia for Constantinople and the Straits seems like a good deal from a 1914 Russian perspective, no?

  441. @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    Wow. Sometimes I’m self-conscious about throwing around a paragraph with dozens of 10 dollar words when 2-3 simple sentences would do perfectly fine, but this is really something.
     
    A lot of the manifesto is like that. Comes across not least like an attempt to "prove" that despite any indications to the contrary Karlin really is an extremely smart guy, and also a highly moral human being, much superior to the rightoid trash he used to associate with. Quite hilarious in its earnestness.
    It's also really striking how Karlin once again comes across as an "extremely online" person (or rather thing, to respect how he...it now identifies), who attaches excessive importance to Twitter personalities and various online communities.
    His detailed description of his interactions with various "rightoid" psychos and grifters (whom he takes to be representative of a "Rightoid international"), mostly from the former Alt-right sphere, is pretty funny though in a way. Some hilarious stuff in there, e.g. one of his former Russian nationalist associates (Kyrill Nesterov) has re-invented himself as a popular youtuber about video games, lol.

    I couldn’t take any more Ukraine circle-jerks here
     
    Understandable. On that note, you were right to call me out for my having called LatW a "stupid cow". I can't have any sympathy for many of the views she's expressed in the past (like her enthusiasm for sending those "Free Russians" over the border), but it was very bad style from me to descend to the level of such insults. Insofar as that's possible, I want to apologize both to her and other commenters.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh, @Mr. Hack, @Mikel, @LatW, @Yevardian

    Frankly, I like the fact that the Free Russia Legion has a fist as its logo:

    BTW, off-topic, but I’ve got an alternate history question for you: Had Russia ever still eventually descended into revolution (but not a Bolshevik revolution) without WWI, do you think that Germany and/or Austria-Hungary would have used it as an excuse to militarily intervene in Russia and set up some puppet states along Russia’s border? Or would they have first sought to make a deal with the Tsar and/or some other Russian reactionaries to help them keep/regain power in Russia in exchange for them abandoning Russia’s alliance with France and recreating the Three Emperors’ League together with Germany and Austria-Hungary? (With the creating puppet states scenario only being a backup option in the event that Russian reactionaries will refuse to abandon the French alliance in order to secure German and Austro-Hungarian aid in favor of their cause in any hypothetical post-revolution Russian civil war?)

  442. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Sikh prohibitions mean:
    1.) They treat drunken war elephants harshly
    2.) Sobering said animals up with coffee is not an option.
    3.) Many of their women do not shave, and so do not risk being stolen. OTOH, it seems to remove the power of politically aggressive Lesbians to signal, as I saw once, when I was by Smith College.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh

    Women need only keep hair on head.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Not according to Kaur Life, the premier publication for Sikh femoids:
    https://kaurlife.org/2015/01/27/resistrazor/


    As a footballer I would often wear shorts. When I got into Sikhi and kept my kes, kes in armpits wasn’t difficult to keep but, kes on my legs was hard. Eventually, I got the courage to turn up to practice exposing my hairy legs.
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh

  443. @Mr. Hack
    @Sher Singh

    Precisely, who cares?

    Replies: @songbird, @Sher Singh

    War not going well? LOL.

  444. @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    I regularly speak with a middle class, young man from Moscow metro and he says that Russia fucking sucks.
     
    I have no doubt that there is a person like that. About 5% of Russian population are libtards, about 2% are even dumb enough to support thieving fool Navalny. Nothing can be done about it: mental disorders are incurable.

    As to real situation, my info is either first-hand (I visit Russia every year for about three weeks at a time, for both business and tourist purposes), or from quite a few friends and relatives living in Russia. My info about the US is from myself – I live in the States from 1991.

    Russia was in very bad shape in the 1990s: crime was rampant, many normal honest people could not afford enough food. Since ~2000 Russia is moving up in terms of order, the look of the cities, the state of inter-city roads, and material well-being of the population. That’s one of the reasons for Putin’s popularity: he brought the country from the brink and made it orderly and prosperous.

    In sharp contrast, the US is visibly declining in everything. The decline was apparent even before it accelerated sharply after libtards stole 2020 elections and put corrupt demented half-corpse into the White House. Shortages of toilet paper, eggs, milk, pasta, etc. during covid psyop reminded me of the last years of the USSR.


    Russians apparently consider people from the Caucasus, even the Armenians, as “non white”
     
    Yes, people from the Caucasus, including racially white Georgians, Armenians, and North Caucasus people, are viewed as non-white, just like migrants from Central Asia. That does not really translate into much, only half-witted nationalists act upon that. There are dozens of Georgian restaurants in Moscow and St Petersburg, staffed by genuine Georgians, and people (myself included) just go there. The very best chain of mid-range restaurants in Moscow serving good food at reasonable prices is Uzbek “Chaihona”, mostly staffed by Uzbeks. Again, they are quite popular, and I can personally attest to the quality of their food and service.

    He also says that he hasn’t noticed any decline in living standards since the war started.
     
    In this he is right, there was none. In fact, by its cleanliness, orderliness, public transportation, and even night illumination of streets and buildings Moscow beats any other city in the world I know, including all European capitals, hands down. Last time I was there in 2022, will visit it in February and see for myself again.

    He was freaking out when he got called in to register for the draft but he now appears certain that he won’t be drafted.
     
    If he never served in the Russian army, his chances of being drafted are as close to zero as makes no difference. In sharp contrast to hapless Ukraine, Russia has no shortage of people voluntarily signing up for the military: half a million signed up in 2023.

    He also told me that Russians celebrate Christmas on New Years
     
    That’s not true. Believers in Russia (like in Ukraine, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, etc.) celebrate Orthodox Christmas, which is on January 7. I only celebrate New Year. I find it ludicrous that the new era (BC) is supposed to start on January 1, marking the birth of Christ, whereas Christmas, ostensibly marking the same event, is celebrated by Catholics (and other churches that split from Catholicism) one week before the New Year, and by Orthodox believers one week after. I think “Credo quia absurdum” is a good summary of Christianity (and every other religion).

    Replies: @Mikhail, @ddok

    Interesting how Christmas decorations in the US start going up about a month before Roman Catholic/Protestant Christmas but start coming down at or even before January 1. There’re 12 days in Christmas plus those observing on the old calendar which comes later.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mikhail

    This Christmas cycle may be related to the twelve days of Christmas. Part of the modern season is mass marketing to get people to buy more stuff. We see decorations and buy stuff from China. The decorations are a positive symbol to celebrate kids and family, so even people who are put off by the crass commercialism still appreciate the display. For the past few decades many people leave some decorations up for longer after the first of the new year. This is either a sign of good will or that they are lazy :)

  445. @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    No, I’m in the USA. Friends of ours moved a few states over and we decided to celebrate at their new house. They already made a lot of new friends whom we met.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Derer

    You forgot to add the dual citizenship status. Is it identical to XYZ?

  446. @Mr. XYZ
    @sudden death

    Frankly, NATO should have asked for something in return from Russia in exchange for not offering Georgia and Ukraine MAPs back then, such as a legally binding Russian commitment in writing to wage a trade embargo (and certainly an oil embargo) on China in the event of any war between China and the US and/or any US ally (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines, et cetera). If people like Steve Hsu are genuinely serious about the Russo-Chinese alliance being unnatural, then agreeing to this should not have been too hard for Russia, right? I mean, sure, Russia might not enjoy behaving in such a way towards China in response to a war which Russia itself would have no stakes in, but the West should get something huge in exchange from Russia for not expanding Ukraine into Georgia and Ukraine, right?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Derer, @QCIC

    the West should get something huge in exchange from Russia for not expanding Ukraine into Georgia and Ukraine, right?

    On the other-hand the Russia should get something huge in exchange from the USA for not expanding to Cuba, Venezuela or Nicaragua, perhaps even Mexico. The old cold war relic NATO (US foreign policy instrument) has finished to be a world policeman after too many failed escapades.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Derer

    Is having the US/NATO significantly limit its troop and missile placements in Eastern Europe insufficient for Russia? The US could do things like nuclear weapons sharing with Poland and the Baltic countries which it has so far been refraining from doing.

    Replies: @Derer

  447. @Derer
    @Mr. XYZ


    the West should get something huge in exchange from Russia for not expanding Ukraine into Georgia and Ukraine, right?
     
    On the other-hand the Russia should get something huge in exchange from the USA for not expanding to Cuba, Venezuela or Nicaragua, perhaps even Mexico. The old cold war relic NATO (US foreign policy instrument) has finished to be a world policeman after too many failed escapades.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Is having the US/NATO significantly limit its troop and missile placements in Eastern Europe insufficient for Russia? The US could do things like nuclear weapons sharing with Poland and the Baltic countries which it has so far been refraining from doing.

    • Replies: @Derer
    @Mr. XYZ

    NATO is nuclear...what is your point? They are refrain from doing it because no money, there is 33 trillion debt that China can anytime claim and because of Russian retaliation. The next world military conflict will not spare US soil of carnage - long distance hardware.

  448. @German_reader
    From Karlin's manifesto: Lord of the rings metaphor about Elite human capital:

    Furthermore, I would even say that the programmed triumph of Elite Human Capital is not just a cognitive triumph, but a spiritual and a moral one. The character defects inherent to the rightoid mindset apply just as much to that rare breed known as “right-wing intellectuals”, who while retaining local intellectual superiority can only do so through nihilistic cynicism and repeated cycles of “mind-killing” that lower them morally, like the Fallen Ainur, to a far greater degree that would ever be attainable for simpler minds. There is a reason why no other an authority than Moldbug himself sees fit to label them as “Dark Elves“, a race known across fantasy for their moderately high intelligence made abominable though cruelty and malice that no mere Orc could match. This theme of ascended villainy that is self-conscious and self-aware is prevalent in Elite Rightoid discourse – see the Dark Enlightenment, the Intellectual Dark Web, Dark MAGA, and those are the relatively tame variants! – which inevitably comes packaged with a Dark Occult aesthetics with its skulls and warhammers, Chaos stars, and necrophile rhetoric from the Spanish Legion’s “Love Live Death!” to Wagner’s sledgehammers which was taken to its logical parodic conclusions in yarowrath’s “Nazi Zombies” discourse that has found its apotheosis in the Z War. These comparisons and allusions are of course appropriate in view of the Dark Elves’ conscious decision to betray the Light and devote their lives to goading and manipulating the brutish Orcish rightoid hordes into waging war on Elite Human Capital, instead of submitting to the Music of the Ainur and using the intelligence bestowed upon them by their genetic privilege to work on uplifting them. However, in so doing, they primarily doom themselves: “The Shadow that bred [the Orcs] can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own.” The paranoia, conformism, and lack of meritocracy, trust, and rule of law observed in realms ruled by the Dark Lord across the fantasy genre closely resemble the communities and societies that really existing rightoids build. This environment in turns caps the capabilities of those Dark Elves who go over to the service of the Shadow, and even further widens the cognitive chasm between them and Elite Human Capital.
     

    Replies: @QCIC, @songbird, @Sher Singh

    • LOL: Mr. XYZ
  449. @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    Wow. Sometimes I’m self-conscious about throwing around a paragraph with dozens of 10 dollar words when 2-3 simple sentences would do perfectly fine, but this is really something.
     
    A lot of the manifesto is like that. Comes across not least like an attempt to "prove" that despite any indications to the contrary Karlin really is an extremely smart guy, and also a highly moral human being, much superior to the rightoid trash he used to associate with. Quite hilarious in its earnestness.
    It's also really striking how Karlin once again comes across as an "extremely online" person (or rather thing, to respect how he...it now identifies), who attaches excessive importance to Twitter personalities and various online communities.
    His detailed description of his interactions with various "rightoid" psychos and grifters (whom he takes to be representative of a "Rightoid international"), mostly from the former Alt-right sphere, is pretty funny though in a way. Some hilarious stuff in there, e.g. one of his former Russian nationalist associates (Kyrill Nesterov) has re-invented himself as a popular youtuber about video games, lol.

    I couldn’t take any more Ukraine circle-jerks here
     
    Understandable. On that note, you were right to call me out for my having called LatW a "stupid cow". I can't have any sympathy for many of the views she's expressed in the past (like her enthusiasm for sending those "Free Russians" over the border), but it was very bad style from me to descend to the level of such insults. Insofar as that's possible, I want to apologize both to her and other commenters.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh, @Mr. Hack, @Mikel, @LatW, @Yevardian

  450. @songbird
    @S


    D*mn! That sounds as bad (or worse) than the Spanish Armada being drowned in 1588.
     
    Battle of Cape Ecnomus which happened in 255BC is a solid candidate for the biggest naval battle ever.

    Guess that they didn't have rudders back then - that does sound kind of dangerous.

    Oftentimes, military expeditions relied on green wood. True of the Ottomans after Lepanto. And Benedict Arnold's expedition through the Maine woods. Wonder if that could have been another factor.

    The new Greek navy has a commissioned trireme, the Olympias, which during it’s 1987 sea trials, and fully manned with 200 slaves (err…volunteers)
     
    I've long thought that a movie about the Knights of St. John would make very excellent propaganda. The main difficulty would be dealing with them capturing galley slaves.

    Replies: @S

    Battle of Cape Ecnomus which happened in 255BC is a solid candidate for the biggest naval battle ever…Guess that they didn’t have rudders back then – that does sound kind of dangerous.

    The Romans did have their famous saying: If the gods had wanted us to swim, they would have given us fins!’ 😉

    The main difficulty would be dealing with them capturing galley slaves.

    The hordes of illegal migrants said to be seeking work could be given the task. They would get gainful employment. You’d get your galley slaves. Also this means of propulsion would be very green as there would be no carbon imprint. A win-win-win situation for all concerned.

    Sometimes these problems can resolve themselves if we would just let them. 🙂

    • LOL: songbird
  451. I speculated about a potential Ethiopia-Somaliland deal in late October, I was skeptical but thought it was a possibility. It seems we now have a preliminary deal.

    Rashid Abdi himself has important observations about the implications of the agreement.

    Ethiopia gains stretch of coast on a 50 year lease, size 20 x 90 km, close to border.

    Ethiopia gains toehold on Bab el-Mandeb a strategic waterway.

    Somaliland gains stakes in Ethiopian airlines.

    Somaliland expects recognition from Addis (Addis reluctant to speak about this this part of the deal).

    Ethiopia complicates its ties with Somalia.

    Somaliland unravels all prospects of a deal with Mogadishu.

    Djibouti likely concerned about long-term fallout for port business.

    Eritrea and Egypt will definitely be concerned at prospect of Ethiopia becoming a Red Sea/Gulf of Aden naval power.

    What happens to Berbera Port? No clarity.

    https://martinplaut.com/2024/01/02/somaliland-ethiopia-deal-ending-a-crisis-or-beginning-another/

    Not mentioned in this article but the UAE has a lot of investments in Somalia and prefers to deal with regional governments as opposed to the federal entity while competing against Turkey and Qatar, so I’m waiting to see how they react.

  452. @Mr. XYZ
    @sudden death

    Frankly, NATO should have asked for something in return from Russia in exchange for not offering Georgia and Ukraine MAPs back then, such as a legally binding Russian commitment in writing to wage a trade embargo (and certainly an oil embargo) on China in the event of any war between China and the US and/or any US ally (Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines, et cetera). If people like Steve Hsu are genuinely serious about the Russo-Chinese alliance being unnatural, then agreeing to this should not have been too hard for Russia, right? I mean, sure, Russia might not enjoy behaving in such a way towards China in response to a war which Russia itself would have no stakes in, but the West should get something huge in exchange from Russia for not expanding Ukraine into Georgia and Ukraine, right?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Derer, @QCIC

    You are such a troll. Are you the ghost of Karlin trying to confuse the midwits on your own blog?

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
  453. @Mikhail
    @AnonfromTN

    Interesting how Christmas decorations in the US start going up about a month before Roman Catholic/Protestant Christmas but start coming down at or even before January 1. There're 12 days in Christmas plus those observing on the old calendar which comes later.

    Replies: @QCIC

    This Christmas cycle may be related to the twelve days of Christmas. Part of the modern season is mass marketing to get people to buy more stuff. We see decorations and buy stuff from China. The decorations are a positive symbol to celebrate kids and family, so even people who are put off by the crass commercialism still appreciate the display. For the past few decades many people leave some decorations up for longer after the first of the new year. This is either a sign of good will or that they are lazy 🙂

  454. @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    Wow. Sometimes I’m self-conscious about throwing around a paragraph with dozens of 10 dollar words when 2-3 simple sentences would do perfectly fine, but this is really something.
     
    A lot of the manifesto is like that. Comes across not least like an attempt to "prove" that despite any indications to the contrary Karlin really is an extremely smart guy, and also a highly moral human being, much superior to the rightoid trash he used to associate with. Quite hilarious in its earnestness.
    It's also really striking how Karlin once again comes across as an "extremely online" person (or rather thing, to respect how he...it now identifies), who attaches excessive importance to Twitter personalities and various online communities.
    His detailed description of his interactions with various "rightoid" psychos and grifters (whom he takes to be representative of a "Rightoid international"), mostly from the former Alt-right sphere, is pretty funny though in a way. Some hilarious stuff in there, e.g. one of his former Russian nationalist associates (Kyrill Nesterov) has re-invented himself as a popular youtuber about video games, lol.

    I couldn’t take any more Ukraine circle-jerks here
     
    Understandable. On that note, you were right to call me out for my having called LatW a "stupid cow". I can't have any sympathy for many of the views she's expressed in the past (like her enthusiasm for sending those "Free Russians" over the border), but it was very bad style from me to descend to the level of such insults. Insofar as that's possible, I want to apologize both to her and other commenters.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh, @Mr. Hack, @Mikel, @LatW, @Yevardian

    Why oh why do commenters like you and Yevardian heap such infantile and unfair criticism on those other commenters here (like myself) for discussing the Russian/Ukrainian war? This website was originally designed to be a forum for all things Russian and therefore the current war should naturally loom to the top of the list of contemporary and important topics to be discussed here. And why pick on those of us who lean towards the Ukrainian side? Why doesn’t your derogatory imagery include a disgusting term like a “Russian circle jerk”? If the two of you prefer discussing ancient Greek and Roman literature, certainly there must be other forums that could fulfill your needs much better than here? BTW, I also tire of this war, and often discuss other topics totally unrelated, but feel compelled to talk about this very dangerous war especially after discussing it and its effects with a cousin of mine over the phone (like I did last night) who is now in a deep depression and crying about her feelings about it too. 🙁

    Show a little bit more compassion, Okay?

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    @Mr. Hack

    U Krazyins having an eat-in, enjoying contributing to Bloated Warming.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXHkFZ-nG4Y

    , @Yevardian
    @Mr. Hack


    Why oh why do commenters like you and Yevardian heap such infantile and unfair criticism on those other commenters here (like myself) for discussing the Russian/Ukrainian war?
     
    To be clear, I'm not just tired the Ukrainian partisan commenters, though they're the overwhelming majority remaining here. Beckow's Russia rhetoric gets pretty repetitive to me as well. It's not that I'm against discussing current developments in general. A Russian emigre friend of mine's wife is a Ukrainian journalist of all things. But the war has been in a stalemate for months and all the diplomatic/economic issues around it have been argued to death, that's all.
    , @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    This website was originally designed to be a forum for all things Russian
     
    It was the blog of a self-declared "Russian nationalist". Not a pro-Ukrainian forum in any way, so your argument is a bit strange.
    I'm sorry about your cousin. But I get the impression you consider this comments space mostly to have some sort of therapeutic function. A place where commenters like AP tell you what you want to hear, and where you can insult pro-Russian commenters like AnonfromTN as cowards or Kremlin-stooges. Ok, I suppose that's one way to approach things, and as my recent outburst against LatW testifies, I'm probably not so different myself after all. Very far though from any sort of genuine discussion where one might actually learn anything.

    certainly there must be other forums that could fulfill your needs
     
    No thanks. I think this cursed comments section will be my final excursion into forums and similar nonsense. The only thing the internet is good for is stealing books and other intellectual property, the rest was a mistake.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  455. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    The genuine item is called Grandfather Frost (Дед Мороз).
     
    Дед Мороз was supposed to be a substitute for St. Nicholas, as the elevation of New Years was supposed to eclipse the Christmas holidays in the new Communist ideology to root out the Christian holidays. It's telling that you don't know this and consider Дед Мороз to be the "genuine item". :-(

    https://life.pravda.com.ua/images/doc/d/b/db19fab--mykolai.jpg

    https://youtu.be/TqNTPFOynBM

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

    The Hack and AP cultural nitpicking arguments with people who understand the cultures better than they do is painful to watch. It may be time for you to find a new cause celebre.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    It's too bad that this forum doesn't include the category "dumb" as a way to describe a comment like this one (agree/disagree/etc). This one of yours takes the cake for dumb and idiotic comments.

    https://serpentsden.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/doofenshmirtz_portrait.jpg?w=318&h=397
    QCIC searching for his new "cause celebre". :-)

  456. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    The Hack and AP cultural nitpicking arguments with people who understand the cultures better than they do is painful to watch. It may be time for you to find a new cause celebre.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    It’s too bad that this forum doesn’t include the category “dumb” as a way to describe a comment like this one (agree/disagree/etc). This one of yours takes the cake for dumb and idiotic comments.


    QCIC searching for his new “cause celebre”. 🙂

  457. @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    Women need only keep hair on head.

    Replies: @songbird

    Not according to Kaur Life, the premier publication for Sikh femoids:
    https://kaurlife.org/2015/01/27/resistrazor/

    As a footballer I would often wear shorts. When I got into Sikhi and kept my kes, kes in armpits wasn’t difficult to keep but, kes on my legs was hard. Eventually, I got the courage to turn up to practice exposing my hairy legs.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    The last time I saw a strange woman with a beard she was behind the counter in a coffee shop and I assumed she was a Sikh and restricted by her religion and family from removing it. I suppose she/he/or it could have been some sort of Jordan Peterson's 48 gender classes but I think she was a Sikh.

    Anyway sikhs are like jews and negroes and they must come in different styles. They probably have a sikh uncle clarence thomas.

    , @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    A man's opinion on women is the only valid one.

    ਅਕਾਲ

  458. @A123
    @songbird


    Tolkien seems necessary to adulterate it a bit, so that it is not necessarily a reference to blacks.
     
    Tolkien's life was shaped by WW I. Mordor is Germany. LOTR came out in the 50's. It is somewhat accepted that Isengard is loosely Mussolini's Italy.

    Orcs were twisted elves, thus they share a common ethnicity. Given how much Orcs hate the sun, perhaps they were Ginger;) That makes more sense than African pigmentation.

    The Oliphaunt (a.k.a. Mumakil) riding Haradrim were swarthy and came from South of Mordor. They are they most ethnic group you can find. I do not believe they had any named characters in the LOTR books.

    Trying to inflict modern green or race concepts onto Tolkien's 1937-1955 works simply does not function.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    The Oliphaunt (a.k.a. Mumakil) riding Haradrim were swarthy and came from South of . They are they most ethnic group you can find. I do not believe they had any named characters in the LOTR books.

    The Punic people had very few names. (Assuming they weren’t supposed to be Indians or some other group)

    BTW, I require GR to review the book Elephant Over the Alps by Cynthia Pilkington (1961) about this:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Alpine_Hannibal_Expedition

    IIRC, the Punics mostly used the extinct North African species (casualty of the conflict, I’m afraid) , which was smaller but had a more African-looking head (possibly somewhat similar to the African forest elephant) But there is some theory that the only elephant to make it through was an Indian one.

  459. @QCIC
    @Yevardian

    There is a good chance Tolya is using AI to write his stuff. He may believe the AI knows him better than he knows himself, so why not? Just give the AI a suggestion or hint every now and then and let it run. I wonder if Ron does the same thing? AI is hosted on a bunch of CPUs and hey, they need some good exercise.

    Anatoly is more sensitive to the "big picture" than most Unzians. He may not get it right, but his mind is in the right place. I agree with his suggestions that humans may be poised on the brink of big changes.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Maybe he has taken a job with McKinsey and he’s finished his training course.

  460. @AnonfromTN
    @Greasy William


    I regularly speak with a middle class, young man from Moscow metro and he says that Russia fucking sucks.
     
    I have no doubt that there is a person like that. About 5% of Russian population are libtards, about 2% are even dumb enough to support thieving fool Navalny. Nothing can be done about it: mental disorders are incurable.

    As to real situation, my info is either first-hand (I visit Russia every year for about three weeks at a time, for both business and tourist purposes), or from quite a few friends and relatives living in Russia. My info about the US is from myself – I live in the States from 1991.

    Russia was in very bad shape in the 1990s: crime was rampant, many normal honest people could not afford enough food. Since ~2000 Russia is moving up in terms of order, the look of the cities, the state of inter-city roads, and material well-being of the population. That’s one of the reasons for Putin’s popularity: he brought the country from the brink and made it orderly and prosperous.

    In sharp contrast, the US is visibly declining in everything. The decline was apparent even before it accelerated sharply after libtards stole 2020 elections and put corrupt demented half-corpse into the White House. Shortages of toilet paper, eggs, milk, pasta, etc. during covid psyop reminded me of the last years of the USSR.


    Russians apparently consider people from the Caucasus, even the Armenians, as “non white”
     
    Yes, people from the Caucasus, including racially white Georgians, Armenians, and North Caucasus people, are viewed as non-white, just like migrants from Central Asia. That does not really translate into much, only half-witted nationalists act upon that. There are dozens of Georgian restaurants in Moscow and St Petersburg, staffed by genuine Georgians, and people (myself included) just go there. The very best chain of mid-range restaurants in Moscow serving good food at reasonable prices is Uzbek “Chaihona”, mostly staffed by Uzbeks. Again, they are quite popular, and I can personally attest to the quality of their food and service.

    He also says that he hasn’t noticed any decline in living standards since the war started.
     
    In this he is right, there was none. In fact, by its cleanliness, orderliness, public transportation, and even night illumination of streets and buildings Moscow beats any other city in the world I know, including all European capitals, hands down. Last time I was there in 2022, will visit it in February and see for myself again.

    He was freaking out when he got called in to register for the draft but he now appears certain that he won’t be drafted.
     
    If he never served in the Russian army, his chances of being drafted are as close to zero as makes no difference. In sharp contrast to hapless Ukraine, Russia has no shortage of people voluntarily signing up for the military: half a million signed up in 2023.

    He also told me that Russians celebrate Christmas on New Years
     
    That’s not true. Believers in Russia (like in Ukraine, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, etc.) celebrate Orthodox Christmas, which is on January 7. I only celebrate New Year. I find it ludicrous that the new era (BC) is supposed to start on January 1, marking the birth of Christ, whereas Christmas, ostensibly marking the same event, is celebrated by Catholics (and other churches that split from Catholicism) one week before the New Year, and by Orthodox believers one week after. I think “Credo quia absurdum” is a good summary of Christianity (and every other religion).

    Replies: @Mikhail, @ddok

    Believers in Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Cyprus, Constantinople (mostly since the 1920’s) and from this year Ukraine celebrate Christmas on December 25th, according to the Revised Julian calendar.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @ddok

    Thanks for the info! Interesting.
    I have a purely scientific question: if Christ was born on December 25th, why the new era (AD) started on January 1st? Did he become divine only on the 7th day? What gives?

    Replies: @Hyperborean, @ddok, @A123

  461. @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Not according to Kaur Life, the premier publication for Sikh femoids:
    https://kaurlife.org/2015/01/27/resistrazor/


    As a footballer I would often wear shorts. When I got into Sikhi and kept my kes, kes in armpits wasn’t difficult to keep but, kes on my legs was hard. Eventually, I got the courage to turn up to practice exposing my hairy legs.
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh

    The last time I saw a strange woman with a beard she was behind the counter in a coffee shop and I assumed she was a Sikh and restricted by her religion and family from removing it. I suppose she/he/or it could have been some sort of Jordan Peterson’s 48 gender classes but I think she was a Sikh.

    Anyway sikhs are like jews and negroes and they must come in different styles. They probably have a sikh uncle clarence thomas.

    • Agree: songbird
  462. @Beckow
    @Poupon Marx


    ...They are very practical. The age and mistake of the dominance of ideology and abstract deductive thinking (“I have the correct idea, it is Reality that must conform and be changed), is OVER. America is dominated by this kind of thinking.
     
    I don't disagree, and for now practicality is important and it works. China is the same way. But there are historically limits to practicality - it tends to get dull and self-referencing..."ideas" always come back.

    The problem with the West is that they are too obsessed with ideas that are passe like markets!!!, imagine-no-borders, and empowering people of darker hue...it got completely out of hand with the infantile Obama mania and then came the mental collapse of gender and other idiocies. They are not serious any more.

    It is simply a consequence of lack of elite rotation - the roles are frozen, people stay too long, mid-wits rise. It has no chance, the Russia-China block is very lucky.

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

    Yes. Exactly. Imagine if engineers and experimental, honest scientists ran the governments. Even though Putin has a law degree, he is all real experience, in the world, observing and acting.

    Putin: Trump prosecution good for Russia because it shows “rottenness” of US

    • Agree: Derer
  463. @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Have the Dutch cancelled Black Pete yet?
     
    It’s Grandfather Frost in Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus. Who knows what’s it in the Netherlands? And who cares, except maybe Dutch.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    Another difference with Santa: Santa’s companion is reindeer. Grandfather Frost’s companion is a young girl Снегурочка (loose translation: Snow Maiden).

    Most nations have their own personages bringing Christmas/New Year presents. E.g., in Finland it’s Joulupukki. Santa is used by Anglo-Saxons and their bootlickers.

  464. @ddok
    @AnonfromTN

    Believers in Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Cyprus, Constantinople (mostly since the 1920's) and from this year Ukraine celebrate Christmas on December 25th, according to the Revised Julian calendar.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Thanks for the info! Interesting.
    I have a purely scientific question: if Christ was born on December 25th, why the new era (AD) started on January 1st? Did he become divine only on the 7th day? What gives?

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    @AnonfromTN


    Thanks for the info! Interesting.
    I have a purely scientific question: if Christ was born on December 25th, why the new era (AD) started on January 1st? Did he become divine only on the 7th day? What gives?
     
    That has to do with the Gregorian calendar.

    In 46 BCE Julius Caesar introduced more changes, though the Julian calendar, as it became known, retained January 1 as the year’s opening date. With the expansion of the Roman Empire, the use of the Julian calendar also spread. However, following the fall of Rome in the 5th century CE, many Christian countries altered the calendar so that it was more reflective of their religion, and March 25 (the Feast of the Annunciation) and December 25 (Christmas) became common New Year’s Days.

    It later became clear that the Julian calendar required additional changes due to a miscalculation concerning leap years. The cumulative effect of this error over the course of several centuries caused various events to take place in the wrong season. It also created problems when determining the date of Easter. Thus, Pope Gregory XIII introduced a revised calendar in 1582. In addition to solving the issue with leap years, the Gregorian calendar restored January 1 as the start of the New Year. While Italy, France, and Spain were among the countries that immediately accepted the new calendar, Protestant and Orthodox nations were slow to adopt it. Great Britain and its American colonies did not begin following the Gregorian calendar until 1752. Before then they celebrated New Year’s Day on March 25.
     

    https://www.britannica.com/story/why-does-the-new-year-start-on-january-1
    , @ddok
    @AnonfromTN

    It's just a convention. The counting from year 1 AD was devised by Dionysius Exiguus in 525 and there were confusions at the time between the civil year (starting 1st of January) and the Diocletian consular year (starting in August). The Diocletian consular year was used by early Christians (under the name of Era of Martyrs). Dionysius did not provide anyway how he got to the calculations.

    , @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    I have a purely scientific question: if Christ was born on December 25th, why the new era (AD) started on January 1st?
     
    My understanding is that it is primarily related to the need for leap years to maintain season consistency.

    Gregorian and Julian calendars would have synched ~0 BC/AD. When the current calendar was adopted, it incidentally locked in the 7 day difference between agricultural purposes and religious observance.

    PEACE 😇
  465. Battle of the Nations
    Spain Austria

    [MORE]

    Rafael Nadal, the tennis world’s most performance enhance druggie is back!

    Yay!

  466. @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    Why oh why do commenters like you and Yevardian heap such infantile and unfair criticism on those other commenters here (like myself) for discussing the Russian/Ukrainian war? This website was originally designed to be a forum for all things Russian and therefore the current war should naturally loom to the top of the list of contemporary and important topics to be discussed here. And why pick on those of us who lean towards the Ukrainian side? Why doesn't your derogatory imagery include a disgusting term like a "Russian circle jerk"? If the two of you prefer discussing ancient Greek and Roman literature, certainly there must be other forums that could fulfill your needs much better than here? BTW, I also tire of this war, and often discuss other topics totally unrelated, but feel compelled to talk about this very dangerous war especially after discussing it and its effects with a cousin of mine over the phone (like I did last night) who is now in a deep depression and crying about her feelings about it too. :-(

    Show a little bit more compassion, Okay?

    Replies: @Poupon Marx, @Yevardian, @German_reader

    U Krazyins having an eat-in, enjoying contributing to Bloated Warming.

  467. @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Well, if sex between humans and hypothetical super-smart aliens is fair game, why not this as well? At least if these animals will be as smart as human adults are?

    AI androids that look like children could also allow for an ethical form of "child prostitution" since it won't be real children involved but simply AI androids that look and act like children. Nowadays, you have Shi'a clerics in Iraq pimping actual underage girls; wouldn't it be great if they used similar-looking AI androids for this instead?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5ZqEWSeKj4

    I suppose that these AI androids could be designed as adults with extremely childlike personalities and with a pituitary gland disorder that prevented them from growing to adult size in order to make these AI androids even more ethical.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel

    AI androids that look like children could also allow for an ethical form of “child prostitution” since it won’t be real children involved but simply AI androids that look and act like children.

    Yes, the ChatGPT Revolution (coupled with the SMO fiasco, or whatever AK thinks has changed the human condition forever) opens so many possibilities. One could also build humanoids who enjoy being tortured and murdered to satisfy the needs of the criminal community, human-attracted nymphomaniac goats for the zoophilic-oriented,… lots of human problems to solve. Perhaps one could even design an extra billion economic migrants to make the world nicer for people who enjoy having lots of them like you.

  468. @AnonfromTN
    @ddok

    Thanks for the info! Interesting.
    I have a purely scientific question: if Christ was born on December 25th, why the new era (AD) started on January 1st? Did he become divine only on the 7th day? What gives?

    Replies: @Hyperborean, @ddok, @A123

    Thanks for the info! Interesting.
    I have a purely scientific question: if Christ was born on December 25th, why the new era (AD) started on January 1st? Did he become divine only on the 7th day? What gives?

    That has to do with the Gregorian calendar.

    In 46 BCE Julius Caesar introduced more changes, though the Julian calendar, as it became known, retained January 1 as the year’s opening date. With the expansion of the Roman Empire, the use of the Julian calendar also spread. However, following the fall of Rome in the 5th century CE, many Christian countries altered the calendar so that it was more reflective of their religion, and March 25 (the Feast of the Annunciation) and December 25 (Christmas) became common New Year’s Days.

    It later became clear that the Julian calendar required additional changes due to a miscalculation concerning leap years. The cumulative effect of this error over the course of several centuries caused various events to take place in the wrong season. It also created problems when determining the date of Easter. Thus, Pope Gregory XIII introduced a revised calendar in 1582. In addition to solving the issue with leap years, the Gregorian calendar restored January 1 as the start of the New Year. While Italy, France, and Spain were among the countries that immediately accepted the new calendar, Protestant and Orthodox nations were slow to adopt it. Great Britain and its American colonies did not begin following the Gregorian calendar until 1752. Before then they celebrated New Year’s Day on March 25.

    https://www.britannica.com/story/why-does-the-new-year-start-on-january-1

  469. @AnonfromTN
    @ddok

    Thanks for the info! Interesting.
    I have a purely scientific question: if Christ was born on December 25th, why the new era (AD) started on January 1st? Did he become divine only on the 7th day? What gives?

    Replies: @Hyperborean, @ddok, @A123

    It’s just a convention. The counting from year 1 AD was devised by Dionysius Exiguus in 525 and there were confusions at the time between the civil year (starting 1st of January) and the Diocletian consular year (starting in August). The Diocletian consular year was used by early Christians (under the name of Era of Martyrs). Dionysius did not provide anyway how he got to the calculations.

  470. Western hemisphere for the win, while OPEC+’ians can pound own sands or eternal ice from rage;)

    While US oil output has soared, Guyana and Brazil have also produced record volumes in 2023.

    Brazil’s output jumped 400,000 barrels a day to 3.6 million this year, according to Kpler.

    The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries and its allies have lost market share in 2023 in large part because of a US production boom, but Brazil and Guyana are also seeing banner years for crude output.

    The International Energy Agency said Thursday that OPEC+ has seen its share of the oil market shrink to 51%, the lowest since 2016.

    That comes as Brazil has seen its output jump 400,000 barrels a day to 3.6 million this year, according to Kpler data shared with Business Insider and depicted below.

    Kpler’s lead oil analyst Matt Smith said the country’s production is about 800,000 barrels a day higher than 2017 levels.

    “We expect production in 2024 to increase by a similar volume to what it did this year, and given that refining activity is fairly steady, higher production will translate into higher crude exports,” he told Business Insider on Friday.

    Meanwhile, Guyana’s production has averaged 385,000 barrels a day this year, roughly 100,000 higher than last year, according to Smith.

    And output is on track to average 600,000 barrels a day for the month of December, after a new stream of crude was brought online earlier this year at the Payara offshore oil development, he added.

    And with more streams due in the future, Smith sees Guyanese production topping 1 million barrels a day in the years ahead.

    All this presents a challenge to OPEC+, which has been announcing production cuts in a bid to control crude prices. Other countries have stepped in to fill the void that Saudi Arabia and others are leaving as they pull back on oil output, according to Smith.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-isnt-only-one-eating-235009030.html

  471. @AnonfromTN
    @ddok

    Thanks for the info! Interesting.
    I have a purely scientific question: if Christ was born on December 25th, why the new era (AD) started on January 1st? Did he become divine only on the 7th day? What gives?

    Replies: @Hyperborean, @ddok, @A123

    I have a purely scientific question: if Christ was born on December 25th, why the new era (AD) started on January 1st?

    My understanding is that it is primarily related to the need for leap years to maintain season consistency.

    Gregorian and Julian calendars would have synched ~0 BC/AD. When the current calendar was adopted, it incidentally locked in the 7 day difference between agricultural purposes and religious observance.

    PEACE 😇

  472. @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    Wow. Sometimes I’m self-conscious about throwing around a paragraph with dozens of 10 dollar words when 2-3 simple sentences would do perfectly fine, but this is really something.
     
    A lot of the manifesto is like that. Comes across not least like an attempt to "prove" that despite any indications to the contrary Karlin really is an extremely smart guy, and also a highly moral human being, much superior to the rightoid trash he used to associate with. Quite hilarious in its earnestness.
    It's also really striking how Karlin once again comes across as an "extremely online" person (or rather thing, to respect how he...it now identifies), who attaches excessive importance to Twitter personalities and various online communities.
    His detailed description of his interactions with various "rightoid" psychos and grifters (whom he takes to be representative of a "Rightoid international"), mostly from the former Alt-right sphere, is pretty funny though in a way. Some hilarious stuff in there, e.g. one of his former Russian nationalist associates (Kyrill Nesterov) has re-invented himself as a popular youtuber about video games, lol.

    I couldn’t take any more Ukraine circle-jerks here
     
    Understandable. On that note, you were right to call me out for my having called LatW a "stupid cow". I can't have any sympathy for many of the views she's expressed in the past (like her enthusiasm for sending those "Free Russians" over the border), but it was very bad style from me to descend to the level of such insults. Insofar as that's possible, I want to apologize both to her and other commenters.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh, @Mr. Hack, @Mikel, @LatW, @Yevardian

    I can’t have any sympathy for many of the views she’s expressed in the past

    Neither can I. But her female perspective on non-political matters is interesting to have here. Even her political views, to the extent she keeps her mercurial temperament under control, are useful. She’s possibly a good representative of the people of her generation in that part of the ex-USSR and whether one likes it or not, these people are playing a crucial role in the new international order that’s forming. Hope she’ll get over the affront.

    • Agree: Yevardian
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...people of her generation in that part of the ex-USSR...are playing a crucial role in the new international order that’s forming.
     
    Unfortunately their later-day regrets and thirst for revenge have burst into the open and we have to live with it. They screwed up: first they patiently let the system that was dead go on for years. Then they messed up the transition - no consequences and allowing the market-oriented commies families take over the economy. Then their idiotic kow-towing to anything Western - they sold their new countries for pretty promises and bribes.

    By the time they woke up they were living in demographically devastated quasi-colonies with no domestic economic power base. They were again servants, some better paid than others, but essentially powerless. Then Brussels turned up the crazy liberalism with the migrants, genders and all that....and Washington moved in for the kill, the real reason they were in it: to corner, diminish, take over resources in Russia.

    So LatW lives with belated regrets and the mess they have created. Time for that loser generation with nothing but stupid yearnings to move on. But yeah, calling them cows is impolite...

    Replies: @LatW

  473. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    Why should Euros pay anyway? Ukies wanted to get in, let them eat the losses. The theft part is neither here nor there – it doesn’t work that way, money was for specific industries. They all steal anyway…

     

    If the EU could actually guarantee that the money was actually going to go to these specific industries, with proper safeguards, then it should have tried paying for this. Better than accepting more culturally incompatible Muslim and African refugees. (Just how much did Merkel's mistake from 2015 end up costing Europe?) Or, alternatively, just not bother with the entire Eastern Partnership in the first place and let Russia have that region. Not very moral but Russia was going to have a headache reintegrating Ukraine when Ukraine's pro-Russians were dying and replaced by pro-Europeans anyway, right?

    Ukraine wouldn’t exist without the Commies who painstakingly created it from different territories. Western Ukraine would be in Poland, the south-east in regular Russia. The rest I am not sure.

    In WW2 the diversified Ukies would get wiped out, together with most Poles and Jews. Without the commies there was no chance that Germany wouldn’t win and keep those territories. It would be a German region with some remaining low-level Ukie-Polish workers. Kind of like what the Ukies seem to want now, so maybe it would be all good…:)

    Why did we have to go through all the drama of the last few generations? Just serve the Western masters, be glad they let some of you to live and shut up…)
     
    I'm American, not Ukrainian. But as a side note, Ukraine could have probably been unified much earlier had the Bolsheviks not instilled defeatism in Russia's military in 1917-1918 nor launched their successful coup in late 1917 together with their Left SR accomplices (who subsequently got purged by the Bolsheviks). All Russia had to do was to hold on to the current front lines and not launch any stupid offensives. The influx of US manpower on the Western Front was going to guarantee long-term victory for the Entente in WWI. But Russia couldn't even do that, and subsequently paid for it dearly with the Russian Civil War, 1930s and 1940s famines and purges, and WWII. And a Russia that would have been led by the Right SRs, together with an associate role for groups like the Mensheviks, would have probably been governed more pragmatically than the Bolsheviks governed it. It wouldn't rely on terror and brutality to anywhere near the same extent, would probably keep democracy, at least for a while (maybe not indefinitely, given what happened in that region in general in the interwar era), and pursue better economic policies. And also possibly not restrict freedom of speech/expression/assembly anywhere near as much nor have a stupid propiska system. Nor have anywhere near as massive of a chronic alcoholism problem because life in Russia would be better. Finns have a genetic propensity for alcoholism but nevertheless because they live well they are not chronic alcoholics like Russians were 20 years ago and more. A Finnish man (Aarne Arvonen) is even verified to have reached age 111 in 2008 in spite of Finland's small total population (ironically, he fought for the Reds during Finland's own civil war, which would have likely prevented him from reaching age 111 in the first place had his side actually won Finland's civil war). No Russian man or Ukrainian man or Belarusian man has been verified to have done this yet in spite of those countries much, much larger populations.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Better than accepting more culturally incompatible Muslim and African refugees…how much did Merkel’s mistake from 2015 end up costing Europe? Or…let Russia have that region.

    The migrants are coming anyway, it has been decreed from somewhere that they must come – no matter the cost. It is unrelated to Ukraine.

    The real issue for Ukraine is that nobody really wants her: neither EU nor Russia want the commitment. Russia wanted to keep the status quo and trade, but didn’t care to spend huge sums and to babysit the Ukie parochialism – “Bandera rules!” EU wanted access to the huge Russian market and cheap labor, no to spend money on pacifying awkward Ukie dreamers – “we are European, bla…”…(are they small children?)

    But everybody wanted Crimea – the key to the Black Sea. Without Crimea bases Russia may as well pack it up – they are diminished. The war is about Crimea, the access and security for the Russian bases. Zelko gives it away when he always goes back to it: “this year we will take Crimea!!!“…the bosses call him and remind what it is all about, and he like an idiot blurts it out.

    Russia taking Crimea in 2014 was a shock – the neo-cons got outplayed and were seething with rage. And it cost Russia almost nothing. The neo-cons were determined not to let it go – US-UK chiefs flew to Kiev to make sure Porky bombs Donbas. They refused any compromise like Minsk and eventually got the war. Kiev fights the war with a single objective: take or threaten Crimea. Russia does the same – get the land bridge and to grab all of the Azov sea.

    Today the neo-cons’s objective is to make Crimea unusable and that no deal recognizes it as Russia. Crimea is the sine qua non of the conflict and Russia looks like they got that. But the neo-cons will never let it go….we have that to look forward to…

    Ukraine could have probably been unified much earlier had the Bolsheviks not instilled defeatism in Russia’s military in 1917-1918

    It was vice-versa as it always is: the defeatism spawned the Bolsheviks. All “what-ifs” scenarios are very speculative – the reality is what actually happened: Bolshies single-handedly created Ukraine. It was done very badly and we are paying a high price for that series of mistakes. Kind of like America made a fatal error with slavery and also is paying a high price. Most of life is just management of consequences…

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    It was vice-versa as it always is: the defeatism spawned the Bolsheviks. All “what-ifs” scenarios are very speculative – the reality is what actually happened: Bolshies single-handedly created Ukraine. It was done very badly and we are paying a high price for that series of mistakes. Kind of like America made a fatal error with slavery and also is paying a high price. Most of life is just management of consequences…

     

    The Bolsheviks created Ukraine because there was a large demand for it among Ukrainians themselves:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1917_Russian_Constituent_Assembly_election

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/1917_Russian_Constituent_Assembly_election_results_map.svg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  474. This is what is left of Lvov museum of the SS Hauptmann Shukhevych after Russian strike.
    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/108299

    Among ruins you see a bust sculpture of this Nazi collaborator on a rusty two-wheel pushcart. A perfect symbol of present-day Ukraine.

    • LOL: Poupon Marx
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...what is left of Lvov museum of the SS Hauptmann Shukhevych
     
    Where is Ursula going to go to honor her family's SS past? Lvov was the only place in Europe it was allowed. They will have to rebuild it - my money is on Riga or Warsaw, possibly Helsinki...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  475. @Mikel
    @German_reader


    I can’t have any sympathy for many of the views she’s expressed in the past
     
    Neither can I. But her female perspective on non-political matters is interesting to have here. Even her political views, to the extent she keeps her mercurial temperament under control, are useful. She's possibly a good representative of the people of her generation in that part of the ex-USSR and whether one likes it or not, these people are playing a crucial role in the new international order that's forming. Hope she'll get over the affront.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …people of her generation in that part of the ex-USSR…are playing a crucial role in the new international order that’s forming.

    Unfortunately their later-day regrets and thirst for revenge have burst into the open and we have to live with it. They screwed up: first they patiently let the system that was dead go on for years. Then they messed up the transition – no consequences and allowing the market-oriented commies families take over the economy. Then their idiotic kow-towing to anything Western – they sold their new countries for pretty promises and bribes.

    By the time they woke up they were living in demographically devastated quasi-colonies with no domestic economic power base. They were again servants, some better paid than others, but essentially powerless. Then Brussels turned up the crazy liberalism with the migrants, genders and all that….and Washington moved in for the kill, the real reason they were in it: to corner, diminish, take over resources in Russia.

    So LatW lives with belated regrets and the mess they have created. Time for that loser generation with nothing but stupid yearnings to move on. But yeah, calling them cows is impolite…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    Time for that loser generation with nothing but stupid yearnings to move on.
     
    To be able to maintain one's culture in one's own land and not have a crazy totalitarian neo-Soviet neighbor next door in 2024 are "stupid yearnings"?

    And what "loser generation" are you talking about? Most of my friends who are under 45 have done alright - at least a couple of my friends are in the parliament, one is a party head, others are academics, business owners, some of them have multiple properties, beautiful children. Many younger ones under 30 are doing even better (especially those who are in competitive sports). The living standard has risen consistently.

    Replies: @Beckow, @silviosilver

  476. @QCIC
    @LondonBob

    This seems like a strange strategy since Russia for a long time has various attack missiles such as Iskander and defensive systems such as Pantsir (even all the previous generations) which can credibly take out the NATO standoff missiles either on the ground or in flight. Both sides are vulnerable to Manpads and anti-tank missiles, but Russia may have superior air defenses overall.

    I think the Russian willingness to accept casualties and keep grinding ahead is not easily comprehensible to an American planning a war in some far away land. US planners in 1965 would have understood, but perceptions have shifted. This may be a factor in the various 'war games' they play to plan their tactics.

    I wonder if we have reached the time when most of the senior planners in the US military were raised playing video games extensively?

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

    I wonder if we have reached the time when most of the senior planners in the US military were raised playing video games extensively?

    Hmmmm….Very likely, these 4 straw generals (guffaw!!) spend way too much time masturbating, thus causing an excess of blood to divert and accumulate in their Small Heads, leaving inadequate supply for the Big Head.

    Of course, in the Jewed Nighted Stasis, a paucity of brain power and synapse quantity and quality was a disadvantage inherently.

  477. @AnonfromTN
    This is what is left of Lvov museum of the SS Hauptmann Shukhevych after Russian strike.
    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/108299

    Among ruins you see a bust sculpture of this Nazi collaborator on a rusty two-wheel pushcart. A perfect symbol of present-day Ukraine.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …what is left of Lvov museum of the SS Hauptmann Shukhevych

    Where is Ursula going to go to honor her family’s SS past? Lvov was the only place in Europe it was allowed. They will have to rebuild it – my money is on Riga or Warsaw, possibly Helsinki…

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    Where is Ursula going to go to honor her family’s SS past? Lvov was the only place in Europe it was allowed. They will have to rebuild it – my money is on Riga or Warsaw, possibly Helsinki…
     
    I would say Riga: the city with annual marches of SS veterans would be a perfect location for a museum of another SS veteran. I have my doubts about Helsinki, unless Finns are as crazy as some other micro-nations. Warsaw is out of question: Polish parliament proclaimed Volhynia massacre genocide. For all their anti-Russian stance, Poles are unlikely to tolerate a museum commemorating one of the organizers and perpetrators of that crime. Judging by Polish comments under the news of Russian bombing of this scum’s museum, quite a few Poles remember.

    Replies: @Beckow

  478. Regarding explosions in NYC. Local emergency services say that there were malfunctions in the electric system. Amazingly enough, Putin was not declared the culprit.

  479. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...what is left of Lvov museum of the SS Hauptmann Shukhevych
     
    Where is Ursula going to go to honor her family's SS past? Lvov was the only place in Europe it was allowed. They will have to rebuild it - my money is on Riga or Warsaw, possibly Helsinki...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Where is Ursula going to go to honor her family’s SS past? Lvov was the only place in Europe it was allowed. They will have to rebuild it – my money is on Riga or Warsaw, possibly Helsinki…

    I would say Riga: the city with annual marches of SS veterans would be a perfect location for a museum of another SS veteran. I have my doubts about Helsinki, unless Finns are as crazy as some other micro-nations. Warsaw is out of question: Polish parliament proclaimed Volhynia massacre genocide. For all their anti-Russian stance, Poles are unlikely to tolerate a museum commemorating one of the organizers and perpetrators of that crime. Judging by Polish comments under the news of Russian bombing of this scum’s museum, quite a few Poles remember.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...my doubts about Helsinki, unless Finns are as crazy as some other micro-nations.
     
    I have seen Finns drink and just about anything is possible - they go into a deep ennui, half-crying, half-boasting...but you are probably right.

    With the Poles, it is the usual on the one hand, but on the other hand... - I wouldn't exclude it.

    Of course Riga is the front-runner...

  480. 2023 Clown World candidates:

    Good Zelensky impersonation:

  481. @QCIC
    @Sean

    In Ukraine, if (or when) NATO decides to come in hard, what will Russia do? I think there are at least two scenarios. In one case, NATO decides to fastidiously avoid strikes on Russian territory. In this scenario I think Russia has some options depending on the size of NATO forces. If NATO decides to strike within Russia then I think Russia might respond with tactical nuclear strikes, perhaps immediately. Avoiding this is a major reason for the proxy war. Both sides would be concerned that the tactical nuclear strikes could escalate to a broader war and possibly strategic nuclear strikes.

    In the first scenario where NATO keeps the combat within Ukraine and perhaps even West of the Dnepr, how might Russia respond? I don't really know. One approach could be to attack Kiev more directly to get a rapid capitulation and dissuade NATO from fighting in Western Ukraine. On the other hand, Poland might stay even if Kiev is lost. If Poland took Western Ukraine out to Vinnytsia and Russia had the rest including Odessa, would Russia care very much? I don't know. If they could get the missiles out of Eastern Europe and agree that Poland would administer the New East Poland as a neutral demilitarized area that might be acceptable. This would give the hardcore Ukie issue to Poland.

    If on the other hand, NATO decides to fight Russia in Ukraine and also threaten from the Baltics and Finland I don't know how this would work. One Russian strategy could be to simply destroy a very major target to get the West to stop and do a mental reset. Many other progressions seem to escalate to widespread nuclear weapons use either right away or gradually with some inevitability. If this sort of escalation begins I don't think the actions of other players such as China are very predictable. If nuclear weapons use seems more likely this might even break up NATO with countries like France wanting to have nothing to do with it.

    Replies: @Sean, @Poupon Marx

    I lost count of the “I don’t knows” of your comment. What’s the point in expressing an opinion, then?
    My immediate impression is that these null statements could be resolved if you had read and delved into the opinions and observations of people that DO KNOW, or have a high degree of CERTAINTY, because of time, profession, experience, contacts, and deep curiosity.

    Reading you idle speculation-based on nothing material to support it or reference-puts you in a bad light, namely being lazy, being satisfied with superficial airline magazine type information. Is this all you are capable of? Chiffon and Kool Whip?

    Hey Sports Fans. Check these out:

    Not quite as exciting as “Blackest Ball”, but interesting nonetheless.

    And now back to our regular progamming, “Git dat ball!”

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Poupon Marx

    The Nuggets' (NBA defending champs) big forward Aaron Gordon was attacked by his Rottweiler Christmas night and needed 21 stitches in his face and shooting hand. He missed a little time but apparently there was no lasting effect as he played well last night against the Hornets and nobody has mentioned the dog bites in the game comments on the internet I have seen.

    The best player and two of the five best players in the NBA are (dirty) Serbs! : )

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

    , @QCIC
    @Poupon Marx

    I recently read some interesting articles related to Russia's nuclear weapons use policies interpreted from a pro-Western perspective. I believe my comments during the past year hold up, though some interpretations of Russian policy may suggest their tactical use of weapons is even MORE likely than I believe.

    I hedged my comments because I do not want to suggest imbecilic certainty in a topic related to nuclear war strategy.

    The following article may be worth your time.

    https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-nonstrategic-nuclear-weapons-and-its-views-limited-nuclear-war

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

  482. @Mr. XYZ
    @Derer

    Is having the US/NATO significantly limit its troop and missile placements in Eastern Europe insufficient for Russia? The US could do things like nuclear weapons sharing with Poland and the Baltic countries which it has so far been refraining from doing.

    Replies: @Derer

    NATO is nuclear…what is your point? They are refrain from doing it because no money, there is 33 trillion debt that China can anytime claim and because of Russian retaliation. The next world military conflict will not spare US soil of carnage – long distance hardware.

  483. @Poupon Marx
    @John Johnson

    CNN report of avian flu virus has resulted in 68 million chickens removed.

    Many food products are very likely to become scarce and very expensive. Feed stocks are supply limited and gaining in price.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j82HQRQhfTc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgIrGpbFtJY

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bc0ORYbAAIw

    Replies: @Derer, @John Johnson

    CNN report of avian flu virus has resulted in 68 million chickens removed.

    Many food products are very likely to become scarce and very expensive. Feed stocks are supply limited and gaining in price.

    Oh just stop already. Did you stand in line today for eggs?

    The dwarf dictator already took responsibility for the 40% increase in the price of eggs. It has nothing to do with avian flu. I already provided the link and here you are trying to do PR work.

    The sanctions made it harder for Russia to import feed and anti-biotics which came from Western Europe.

    Putin’s Unz defenders at the start of the war told us that the sanctions won’t do anything because Fortress Roosa can provide.

    Anyone who took a cursory look at their import dependencies knew that was false.

  484. @Poupon Marx
    @QCIC

    I lost count of the "I don't knows" of your comment. What's the point in expressing an opinion, then?
    My immediate impression is that these null statements could be resolved if you had read and delved into the opinions and observations of people that DO KNOW, or have a high degree of CERTAINTY, because of time, profession, experience, contacts, and deep curiosity.

    Reading you idle speculation-based on nothing material to support it or reference-puts you in a bad light, namely being lazy, being satisfied with superficial airline magazine type information. Is this all you are capable of? Chiffon and Kool Whip?

    Hey Sports Fans. Check these out:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni2zSq5maY4

    Not quite as exciting as "Blackest Ball", but interesting nonetheless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12gK_2hGo7I

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5lnQlxBKcs

    And now back to our regular progamming, "Git dat ball!"

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC

    The Nuggets’ (NBA defending champs) big forward Aaron Gordon was attacked by his Rottweiler Christmas night and needed 21 stitches in his face and shooting hand. He missed a little time but apparently there was no lasting effect as he played well last night against the Hornets and nobody has mentioned the dog bites in the game comments on the internet I have seen.

    The best player and two of the five best players in the NBA are (dirty) Serbs! : )

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I imagine he is very thankful the mutt didn't chump on his Schlong and Nüsse. Racist dog.

  485. @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...people of her generation in that part of the ex-USSR...are playing a crucial role in the new international order that’s forming.
     
    Unfortunately their later-day regrets and thirst for revenge have burst into the open and we have to live with it. They screwed up: first they patiently let the system that was dead go on for years. Then they messed up the transition - no consequences and allowing the market-oriented commies families take over the economy. Then their idiotic kow-towing to anything Western - they sold their new countries for pretty promises and bribes.

    By the time they woke up they were living in demographically devastated quasi-colonies with no domestic economic power base. They were again servants, some better paid than others, but essentially powerless. Then Brussels turned up the crazy liberalism with the migrants, genders and all that....and Washington moved in for the kill, the real reason they were in it: to corner, diminish, take over resources in Russia.

    So LatW lives with belated regrets and the mess they have created. Time for that loser generation with nothing but stupid yearnings to move on. But yeah, calling them cows is impolite...

    Replies: @LatW

    Time for that loser generation with nothing but stupid yearnings to move on.

    To be able to maintain one’s culture in one’s own land and not have a crazy totalitarian neo-Soviet neighbor next door in 2024 are “stupid yearnings”?

    And what “loser generation” are you talking about? Most of my friends who are under 45 have done alright – at least a couple of my friends are in the parliament, one is a party head, others are academics, business owners, some of them have multiple properties, beautiful children. Many younger ones under 30 are doing even better (especially those who are in competitive sports). The living standard has risen consistently.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...The living standard has risen consistently.
     
    The living standard got better under the commies. Nobody was threatening the Latvian culture or language - if you claim it you are lying. Sure, people are doing all right, people in 1985 also did better than people in 1955. That's the way it is.

    My point was about the economic dependence on the West, the collapsed demographic, and that the less attractive parts of the West are now assertively being forced on all of central-eastern Europe. What was before only harmless liberal folklore is now pushed as the compulsory culture.

    The generation who did this was clueless - they screwed up the transition. They were naive, didn't think long-term, they simply had no balls.

    The number of under-30 Latvians is substantially less than in the 1980's, dropping 1% each year. In 1989 there were 2.7 million people, this year 1.8 million - projection is under 1 million in two generations. Russians are 25% of that, without them you would be heading to 1 million, like the Estonians. Is that good? Try to be honest...

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN, @sudden death, @John Johnson

    , @silviosilver
    @LatW


    And what “loser generation” are you talking about?
     
    Quite funny to hear a butthurt eastern European with a deep-seated inferiority complex he's incapable of disguising call "losers" people who managed to clamber out of the hole dug for them by the moral and economic tommyrot of his favorite ideology. The only question is which is more pathetic - that, or his lickspittle admiration of Russian megalomaniacs ("they love us, they'll look after us, not like those horrible germanics.")
  486. Mickey Mouse is now public domain and they released a horror film trailer. It’s about an angry incel who gets rejected and goes on to kill a bunch of Stacies and Chads.

    Personally, solely going by the trailer, I thought it needed more pizazz. It’s an amusing gimmick, but it doesn’t come off as terrifying in any way.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Hyperborean

    Just copying what someone (same people?) already did with Winnie the Poo.

    Replies: @Hyperborean

    , @John Johnson
    @Hyperborean

    Looks terrible.

    Hollywood produces these garbage movies for teens like cheap sausage.

    Everyone working on them knows they are junk and will never win awards.

    They produce them because US teens will watch any available horror movie on a Friday night.

  487. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    Where is Ursula going to go to honor her family’s SS past? Lvov was the only place in Europe it was allowed. They will have to rebuild it – my money is on Riga or Warsaw, possibly Helsinki…
     
    I would say Riga: the city with annual marches of SS veterans would be a perfect location for a museum of another SS veteran. I have my doubts about Helsinki, unless Finns are as crazy as some other micro-nations. Warsaw is out of question: Polish parliament proclaimed Volhynia massacre genocide. For all their anti-Russian stance, Poles are unlikely to tolerate a museum commemorating one of the organizers and perpetrators of that crime. Judging by Polish comments under the news of Russian bombing of this scum’s museum, quite a few Poles remember.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …my doubts about Helsinki, unless Finns are as crazy as some other micro-nations.

    I have seen Finns drink and just about anything is possible – they go into a deep ennui, half-crying, half-boasting…but you are probably right.

    With the Poles, it is the usual on the one hand, but on the other hand… – I wouldn’t exclude it.

    Of course Riga is the front-runner…

  488. @Poupon Marx
    @QCIC

    I lost count of the "I don't knows" of your comment. What's the point in expressing an opinion, then?
    My immediate impression is that these null statements could be resolved if you had read and delved into the opinions and observations of people that DO KNOW, or have a high degree of CERTAINTY, because of time, profession, experience, contacts, and deep curiosity.

    Reading you idle speculation-based on nothing material to support it or reference-puts you in a bad light, namely being lazy, being satisfied with superficial airline magazine type information. Is this all you are capable of? Chiffon and Kool Whip?

    Hey Sports Fans. Check these out:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni2zSq5maY4

    Not quite as exciting as "Blackest Ball", but interesting nonetheless.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12gK_2hGo7I

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5lnQlxBKcs

    And now back to our regular progamming, "Git dat ball!"

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @QCIC

    I recently read some interesting articles related to Russia’s nuclear weapons use policies interpreted from a pro-Western perspective. I believe my comments during the past year hold up, though some interpretations of Russian policy may suggest their tactical use of weapons is even MORE likely than I believe.

    I hedged my comments because I do not want to suggest imbecilic certainty in a topic related to nuclear war strategy.

    The following article may be worth your time.

    https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-nonstrategic-nuclear-weapons-and-its-views-limited-nuclear-war

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    @QCIC


    I believe my comments during the past year hold up, though some interpretations of Russian policy may suggest their tactical use of weapons is even MORE likely than I believe.
     
    No, it is not. The allowed use is narrowly defined and specific. V. V. Putin has restated this several times, and consistently remarks that once nuclear weapons are used in any form, this sets off a chain reaction and escalation

    Is Engrish your first language? Are you dyslexic? .

    Replies: @QCIC

  489. @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    Wow. Sometimes I’m self-conscious about throwing around a paragraph with dozens of 10 dollar words when 2-3 simple sentences would do perfectly fine, but this is really something.
     
    A lot of the manifesto is like that. Comes across not least like an attempt to "prove" that despite any indications to the contrary Karlin really is an extremely smart guy, and also a highly moral human being, much superior to the rightoid trash he used to associate with. Quite hilarious in its earnestness.
    It's also really striking how Karlin once again comes across as an "extremely online" person (or rather thing, to respect how he...it now identifies), who attaches excessive importance to Twitter personalities and various online communities.
    His detailed description of his interactions with various "rightoid" psychos and grifters (whom he takes to be representative of a "Rightoid international"), mostly from the former Alt-right sphere, is pretty funny though in a way. Some hilarious stuff in there, e.g. one of his former Russian nationalist associates (Kyrill Nesterov) has re-invented himself as a popular youtuber about video games, lol.

    I couldn’t take any more Ukraine circle-jerks here
     
    Understandable. On that note, you were right to call me out for my having called LatW a "stupid cow". I can't have any sympathy for many of the views she's expressed in the past (like her enthusiasm for sending those "Free Russians" over the border), but it was very bad style from me to descend to the level of such insults. Insofar as that's possible, I want to apologize both to her and other commenters.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh, @Mr. Hack, @Mikel, @LatW, @Yevardian

    but it was very bad style from me to descend to the level of such insults.

    It’s not about style (and you are typically measured, at least towards non-EEs), it’s characteristic of your overall condescending attitude – you have a strange kind of a very negative animus towards me. I admit that a lot of what I’ve posted over the years has been pure emotional trolling (this is simply because I have to lead a rather structured life with obligations and have no other emotional outlet, and, yes, I understand it’s unseemly) but not even all of it, and some of what I posted was intentionally provocative – mostly for entertainment purposes, to deal with boredom. Also, I had to address some of the blatant misrepresentations here and attacks on my own nation and its history.

    However, I know several Eastern Euro languages, not just Russian – this is something that practically none of you here do. I have real life sources and my background has allowed me to see things you haven’t seen.

    I knew that some anti-Russia posts would illicit a negative reaction. However, what did you guys expect – to not have the position of Russia’s neighbors represented on a Russian reaction forum?

    I have already taken a ton of hostility and rudeness on this forum – some of it slightly provoked maybe, but most of it – completely undeserved and a lot of it based on bigotry. Just because people do not want to hear about reality – all aspects of it. They don’t like their comfortable little truths to be challenged.

    like her enthusiasm for sending those “Free Russians” over the border

    That’s just because I get excited by such wild paramilitary types – sorry, it’s a personal weakness that I will admit. I recognize that it is questionable and somewhat unethical to support some of their activity – but then again, it is also unethical how the Putin regime has treated some of them prior (not to mention the invasion). They are on their own land and they have a right to fight for their freedom. Свободу России!

    As to Toly’s latest outburst of graphomania – yes, it is hilarious and funny, but I’m really puzzled as to how you guys did not notice his orientation from the get go (granted, he did hide it well) – I was aware of it years ago. It’s just the most elaborate and hilarious coming out I’ve ever seen.

    As to the Dark Elves – a translator friend of mine who knows Tolkien very well, once told me that some of the elves were taken captive either by orcs or by some dark forces and bred with them so this is how the Dark Elves came into this world – I’m not sure if he just made that up or if it’s somewhere in the books (I don’t recall such a thing, but then I didn’t scour through them the way he did), but Morgul means sorcery in Sindarin, and it is somehow connected to the Nazgul. So these Dark Elves are somehow connected to this. That’s how he explained it, but he may have made it up (he had created his own “mythical persona” based on that).

    To Mr Hack: rest assured I will not be abandoning our cause, our common freedom, but will find a more productive way to fight for it (without toxicity and insults).

    Enjoy your eco chamber, gentlemen.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    Enjoy your eco chamber, gentlemen.
     
    Sorry to point out an error in English to an American bootlicker, but correct spelling is “echo”.

    Replies: @LatW, @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    , @songbird
    @LatW


    without toxicity and insults).
     
    Ah, but I think you and Mikel and GR enjoy ribbing each other, or else it wouldn't be carried over from previous threads.

    BTW, I am sure that I don't have to tell you this, but cows are a very elevated animal in Germany, ubiquitously associated with sugar and the pleasures of being a delinquent in school:
    https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaugummi

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @S
    @LatW

    Good luck, LatW.

    I don't think I'm the only one here who hopes you come back on occasion to visit the site. I've always had some fondness towards the Baltic peoples and their place in Europe as they are remindful in certain ways of the Celtics of Scotland, Ireland, and Wales...ie they are of 'The Undiscovered Country'. :-)

    , @Derer
    @LatW

    Can you reveal to us your new moniker? Never mind we will find out.

    , @German_reader
    @LatW


    Enjoy your eco chamber, gentlemen.
     
    It wasn't my intention to drive you away. I suggest you reconsider, since several commenters here seem to greatly enjoy your comments, and I should be off myself anyway, so I won't get in your way.
    Btw, it's not primarily that you're "anti-Russian" what irks me so much about your comments. Given the arrogant attitude towards your people regularly shown by the Russian commenters like Gerard or AnonfromTN (or "Russophiles" like Beckow) that would be understandable, especially given the historical background. It's the "romantic", all-or-nothing character of your outlook. imo that kind of thinking is going to lead to disaster. If we're really unlucky, to a civilization-ending apocalypse. But more likely, "just" to a smaller-scale disaster. On present trends Ukraine will eventually lose the war. I don't think that's a good outcome, and obviously much of the moral blame rests on Russian chauvinists and Russia's imperial-minded secret police elites. But those in the West who were against any attempt at finding some sort of compromise solution (and I think that's a fair characterization of your views) will have contributed to this disaster.

    Replies: @Mikel

  490. @LatW
    @German_reader


    but it was very bad style from me to descend to the level of such insults.
     
    It's not about style (and you are typically measured, at least towards non-EEs), it's characteristic of your overall condescending attitude - you have a strange kind of a very negative animus towards me. I admit that a lot of what I've posted over the years has been pure emotional trolling (this is simply because I have to lead a rather structured life with obligations and have no other emotional outlet, and, yes, I understand it's unseemly) but not even all of it, and some of what I posted was intentionally provocative - mostly for entertainment purposes, to deal with boredom. Also, I had to address some of the blatant misrepresentations here and attacks on my own nation and its history.

    However, I know several Eastern Euro languages, not just Russian - this is something that practically none of you here do. I have real life sources and my background has allowed me to see things you haven't seen.

    I knew that some anti-Russia posts would illicit a negative reaction. However, what did you guys expect - to not have the position of Russia's neighbors represented on a Russian reaction forum?

    I have already taken a ton of hostility and rudeness on this forum - some of it slightly provoked maybe, but most of it - completely undeserved and a lot of it based on bigotry. Just because people do not want to hear about reality - all aspects of it. They don't like their comfortable little truths to be challenged.


    like her enthusiasm for sending those “Free Russians” over the border
     
    That's just because I get excited by such wild paramilitary types - sorry, it's a personal weakness that I will admit. I recognize that it is questionable and somewhat unethical to support some of their activity - but then again, it is also unethical how the Putin regime has treated some of them prior (not to mention the invasion). They are on their own land and they have a right to fight for their freedom. Свободу России!

    As to Toly's latest outburst of graphomania - yes, it is hilarious and funny, but I'm really puzzled as to how you guys did not notice his orientation from the get go (granted, he did hide it well) - I was aware of it years ago. It's just the most elaborate and hilarious coming out I've ever seen.

    As to the Dark Elves - a translator friend of mine who knows Tolkien very well, once told me that some of the elves were taken captive either by orcs or by some dark forces and bred with them so this is how the Dark Elves came into this world - I'm not sure if he just made that up or if it's somewhere in the books (I don't recall such a thing, but then I didn't scour through them the way he did), but Morgul means sorcery in Sindarin, and it is somehow connected to the Nazgul. So these Dark Elves are somehow connected to this. That's how he explained it, but he may have made it up (he had created his own "mythical persona" based on that).

    To Mr Hack: rest assured I will not be abandoning our cause, our common freedom, but will find a more productive way to fight for it (without toxicity and insults).

    Enjoy your eco chamber, gentlemen.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @songbird, @S, @Derer, @German_reader

    Enjoy your eco chamber, gentlemen.

    Sorry to point out an error in English to an American bootlicker, but correct spelling is “echo”.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @AnonfromTN

    A typo, thanks. :) Enjoy.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    No no no. This is our eco chamber. It is at least as healthy as the so-called organic fruits and veggies at the grocery store. : )

    , @songbird
    @AnonfromTN


    Enjoy your eco chamber, gentlemen.

    >but correct spelling is “echo”.
     
    Assumed LatW was talking about Biosphere 3, and the discoveries that that are waiting to be made there, to facilitate environmental stewardship and space travel.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2

    (I cannot throw stones)
  491. @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    Enjoy your eco chamber, gentlemen.
     
    Sorry to point out an error in English to an American bootlicker, but correct spelling is “echo”.

    Replies: @LatW, @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    A typo, thanks. 🙂 Enjoy.

  492. Mr. Hack, LatW, AP on one side. Mikhail, AnonfromTN, Gerard on the other. Aside from Beckow is there anyone who actually lives in Eastern Europe right now, or are you all diasporoids?

    At least Sher Singh is honest about how he sees Canadians as suckers.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Hyperborean

    To be fully transparent, I am way more recent than AP and Hack who were born in America, so I am in a different category, by far. I also spend time at home every summer, often for months at a time. And I'll be returning home in a few years, permanently. I have property there to be inherited and scouting out for a second, smaller property. So I am very much invested, on the ground.

    Replies: @Hyperborean

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Hyperborean


    Mr. Hack, LatW, AP on one side. Mikhail, AnonfromTN, Gerard on the other.
    Aside from Beckow is there anyone who actually lives in Eastern Europe right
    now, or are you all diasporoids?
     
    I was born and raised in the USSR. I was born in Lvov, lived near Lvov for ~3 years, then lived and went to school in Lugansk (14 years), then studied in Moscow State University (5 years), then was in grad school in Moscow (3 years), then worked near Moscow (8 years) before moving to the US in 1991, when it became clear that I cannot do research in the USSR because the government stopped funding it. So, I spent post-Soviet 1990s in the US. As one of my former colleagues who remained in Russia expressed it, “you guys ran away from the horrors of capitalism to the US”.

    I visit Russia every year for about three weeks at a time, have friends and relatives there. Visited Lugansk a couple of years ago, right after Lugansk Peoples Republic was allowed to join Russia. When I retire, I intend to go back to Russia. In preparation I acquired some property and bank accounts there before Alzheimer-in-Chief blocked money transfers from the US to Russia. Now I bring cash every time I go there, change it to rubles to cover my expenses and deposit whatever remains.

    At least Sher Singh is honest about how he sees Canadians as suckers.
     
    Based on my experience, I see most Americans as decent hard-working people, who always want to do the right thing. Unfortunately, they are woefully ignorant and misinformed by design of the powers-that-be. I see the US elites, including figurehead “elected officials”, as thieves and criminals of the worst kind, who have no scruples. I see most US “journalists” as presstitutes, with the exception of a few honest people, who were “cancelled” (banned in all MSM) by the ruling cabal.

    This about describes where I stand. Feel free to decide whether I am a “diasporoid”.

    Replies: @Derer

    , @Sher Singh
    @Hyperborean


    At least Sher Singh is honest about how he sees Canadians as suckers.
     
    I think they're cucks & hypocritical since they don't follow their 'human rights law'.
    It's an evolving conversation, and one that Sikhs need to push for the benefit of all.

    In this context religious minorities communicate their needs and goals to the larger Canadian society, in the process pushing the scope and advancing the parameters of human rights for all Canadians. This challenges the false narrative that Canada is a religiously neutral nation without its mainstream society’s own fervently held beliefs and practices, and of religious minorities as an inherently threatening force to these inviolable values
     
    You're just seeing me interact with highly recalcitrant nationalist types.

    Equality before the law (assimilation) was just the final phase of Christianizing Europe.
    If we've moved beyond Christianity to enlightenment values & multicultural tolerance -
    then it's necessary to dismantle the last vestiges of that Christian system & its defenders.

    This has global implications as the west sets standards for other societies such as India & China.
    ---

    https://twitter.com/jvalaaa/status/1702156383020626409

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Hyperborean

    , @Gerard1234
    @Hyperborean

    1.I am living in Eastern Europe in addition to Beckow. Very far into Eastern Europe (Kazan) . Read before you write.
    Some of the Poles who come here might be living in Poland.
    Mr Hack is the only actual "Ukrainian" heritage diaspora on here.

    2. The premise of your question is disrespectful, even silly because you are grouping all of those Diaspora into one group when you shouldn't.

    Tsarist emigree diaspora (like Mikhail) and Soviet post-1991 diaspora have great knowledge and perspective - in ZERO way are they diminished or discredited by being diaspora. They are secure in position from being tangibly connected to great Russian culture and history, present and future.


    Those from loser Poland, Baltics or other states are though massively diminished and discredited by being diaspora. They are the ones squealing about some fake historical or upcoming "genocide". They are the ones insecure in their nonexistent or "lost" culture...or culture they are trying to develop. They are of countries with zero history, or "destroyed" or "lost" history they are trying to find or invent.
    All that make the fact they aren't living in Poland /Baltics/other quite embarrassing. A Russian diaspora does not have to justify anything at all - he left as the country changed against him and family. Ukronazi/Nazi Baltics who fled to the same West who had helped defeat their German Nazi friends in 1945 or A Baltic who left as the country became" independent" in 1991 and is a dickhead calling for action against Russia - of course are in an embarrassing position to defend.

    Russian language blogosphere is huge and international. So all Russians in Russia or those in diaspora are doing good favour to every one with their presence on English language blog.

    Also, though most were diaspora, several were also local Russians who commented in English on Karlins blog but had huge arguments with him and were either banned or left over a few years. Russian tsarists,Soviets and libtards always have very aggressive and angry debates - zero surprise Karlin as the host of the blog would be in crossfire from all sides. Impossible not to be.

    All that makes the lack, with the exception of me, of local Russians on here a completely irrelevant and misleading point.

    Lithuania, Estonian and Latvian computer users all have perfect English skills - it's quite disgraceful (and revealing) they can't find a local Baltic I.e living there, to support their position on this blog.

    Replies: @AP

    , @sudden death
    @Hyperborean

    Hey, I'm perfectly living in EE, but at least Romanians would disagree, cause they seem to think I'm already living in Northern Europe, lol

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F1u1FcuX0AAw5Ru.jpg

  493. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Poupon Marx

    The Nuggets' (NBA defending champs) big forward Aaron Gordon was attacked by his Rottweiler Christmas night and needed 21 stitches in his face and shooting hand. He missed a little time but apparently there was no lasting effect as he played well last night against the Hornets and nobody has mentioned the dog bites in the game comments on the internet I have seen.

    The best player and two of the five best players in the NBA are (dirty) Serbs! : )

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

    I imagine he is very thankful the mutt didn’t chump on his Schlong and Nüsse. Racist dog.

  494. @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    Enjoy your eco chamber, gentlemen.
     
    Sorry to point out an error in English to an American bootlicker, but correct spelling is “echo”.

    Replies: @LatW, @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    No no no. This is our eco chamber. It is at least as healthy as the so-called organic fruits and veggies at the grocery store. : )

  495. @Hyperborean
    Mr. Hack, LatW, AP on one side. Mikhail, AnonfromTN, Gerard on the other. Aside from Beckow is there anyone who actually lives in Eastern Europe right now, or are you all diasporoids?

    At least Sher Singh is honest about how he sees Canadians as suckers.

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN, @Sher Singh, @Gerard1234, @sudden death

    To be fully transparent, I am way more recent than AP and Hack who were born in America, so I am in a different category, by far. I also spend time at home every summer, often for months at a time. And I’ll be returning home in a few years, permanently. I have property there to be inherited and scouting out for a second, smaller property. So I am very much invested, on the ground.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    @LatW


    To be fully transparent, I am way more recent than AP and Hack who were born in America, so I am in a different category, by far. I also spend time at home every summer, often for months at a time. And I’ll be returning home in a few years, permanently. I have property there to be inherited and scouting out for a second, smaller property. So I am very much invested, on the ground.
     
    Okay, if you're planning on returning that's fair.
  496. @QCIC
    @Poupon Marx

    I recently read some interesting articles related to Russia's nuclear weapons use policies interpreted from a pro-Western perspective. I believe my comments during the past year hold up, though some interpretations of Russian policy may suggest their tactical use of weapons is even MORE likely than I believe.

    I hedged my comments because I do not want to suggest imbecilic certainty in a topic related to nuclear war strategy.

    The following article may be worth your time.

    https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-nonstrategic-nuclear-weapons-and-its-views-limited-nuclear-war

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

    I believe my comments during the past year hold up, though some interpretations of Russian policy may suggest their tactical use of weapons is even MORE likely than I believe.

    No, it is not. The allowed use is narrowly defined and specific. V. V. Putin has restated this several times, and consistently remarks that once nuclear weapons are used in any form, this sets off a chain reaction and escalation

    Is Engrish your first language? Are you dyslexic? .

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Poupon Marx

    VVP says many things, that is part of his job. The policies are made by a group of people.

    I believe there are Western/NATO moves within the realm of possibility which could provoke a Russian nuclear strike. I didn't say this is likely, rather it is more likely than I previously believed. I regularly mention in these comments that escalation is a major concern on all sides.

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

  497. @Poupon Marx
    @QCIC


    I believe my comments during the past year hold up, though some interpretations of Russian policy may suggest their tactical use of weapons is even MORE likely than I believe.
     
    No, it is not. The allowed use is narrowly defined and specific. V. V. Putin has restated this several times, and consistently remarks that once nuclear weapons are used in any form, this sets off a chain reaction and escalation

    Is Engrish your first language? Are you dyslexic? .

    Replies: @QCIC

    VVP says many things, that is part of his job. The policies are made by a group of people.

    I believe there are Western/NATO moves within the realm of possibility which could provoke a Russian nuclear strike. I didn’t say this is likely, rather it is more likely than I previously believed. I regularly mention in these comments that escalation is a major concern on all sides.

    • Replies: @Poupon Marx
    @QCIC

    Your entire comment is one meaningless generalization after another. Banal and useless.

    Replies: @QCIC

  498. @Hyperborean
    Mickey Mouse is now public domain and they released a horror film trailer. It's about an angry incel who gets rejected and goes on to kill a bunch of Stacies and Chads.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jVjt52sOs6g

    Personally, solely going by the trailer, I thought it needed more pizazz. It's an amusing gimmick, but it doesn't come off as terrifying in any way.

    Replies: @songbird, @John Johnson

    Just copying what someone (same people?) already did with Winnie the Poo.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    @songbird

    I took a look and just going by the trailer, Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey seems a lot more like the proper slasher-style aesthetics film I was expecting.

    Replies: @songbird

  499. @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    Why oh why do commenters like you and Yevardian heap such infantile and unfair criticism on those other commenters here (like myself) for discussing the Russian/Ukrainian war? This website was originally designed to be a forum for all things Russian and therefore the current war should naturally loom to the top of the list of contemporary and important topics to be discussed here. And why pick on those of us who lean towards the Ukrainian side? Why doesn't your derogatory imagery include a disgusting term like a "Russian circle jerk"? If the two of you prefer discussing ancient Greek and Roman literature, certainly there must be other forums that could fulfill your needs much better than here? BTW, I also tire of this war, and often discuss other topics totally unrelated, but feel compelled to talk about this very dangerous war especially after discussing it and its effects with a cousin of mine over the phone (like I did last night) who is now in a deep depression and crying about her feelings about it too. :-(

    Show a little bit more compassion, Okay?

    Replies: @Poupon Marx, @Yevardian, @German_reader

    Why oh why do commenters like you and Yevardian heap such infantile and unfair criticism on those other commenters here (like myself) for discussing the Russian/Ukrainian war?

    To be clear, I’m not just tired the Ukrainian partisan commenters, though they’re the overwhelming majority remaining here. Beckow’s Russia rhetoric gets pretty repetitive to me as well. It’s not that I’m against discussing current developments in general. A Russian emigre friend of mine’s wife is a Ukrainian journalist of all things. But the war has been in a stalemate for months and all the diplomatic/economic issues around it have been argued to death, that’s all.

  500. @LatW
    @Hyperborean

    To be fully transparent, I am way more recent than AP and Hack who were born in America, so I am in a different category, by far. I also spend time at home every summer, often for months at a time. And I'll be returning home in a few years, permanently. I have property there to be inherited and scouting out for a second, smaller property. So I am very much invested, on the ground.

    Replies: @Hyperborean

    To be fully transparent, I am way more recent than AP and Hack who were born in America, so I am in a different category, by far. I also spend time at home every summer, often for months at a time. And I’ll be returning home in a few years, permanently. I have property there to be inherited and scouting out for a second, smaller property. So I am very much invested, on the ground.

    Okay, if you’re planning on returning that’s fair.

  501. @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    Enjoy your eco chamber, gentlemen.
     
    Sorry to point out an error in English to an American bootlicker, but correct spelling is “echo”.

    Replies: @LatW, @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    Enjoy your eco chamber, gentlemen.

    >but correct spelling is “echo”.

    Assumed LatW was talking about Biosphere 3, and the discoveries that that are waiting to be made there, to facilitate environmental stewardship and space travel.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2

    (I cannot throw stones)

  502. @songbird
    @Hyperborean

    Just copying what someone (same people?) already did with Winnie the Poo.

    Replies: @Hyperborean

    I took a look and just going by the trailer, Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey seems a lot more like the proper slasher-style aesthetics film I was expecting.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Hyperborean

    Sterling Holloway, the original voice for Winnie the Pooh, played a few psychotic villains on The Shadow radio show in the late '30s, opposite Orson Welles.

    Basically, same voice as Pooh but with more energy and emotion. One was a posioner who worked at the waterworks. Another a guy setting bombs for crowds.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterling_Holloway

  503. @sudden death
    @Sean


    Bush carried on regardless and Georgia was invaded by Russia a few months after the invite was accepted.
     
    During NATO's 2008 April summit in Bucharest, the United States and Poland called for Georgia to be allowed to join the Membership Action Plan (MAP), but the alliance decided not to offer Georgia a MAP due to opposition from several countries, led by France and Germany, who feared the decision would anger Russia, therefore there was neither official invite nor any acception done that year prior 2008 August war in Georgia.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Sean

    https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2008/04-april/e0403h.html

    At the Bucharest Summit, NATO Allies welcomed Ukraine’s and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership and agreed that these countries will become members of NATO

    On August 7th 2008, the Russian Army invaded the territory controlled by the central government of Georgia.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Sean

    How official invitation into NATO looked like:


    NATO invites Albania and Croatia to accession talks
    Allied leaders decided to invite Albania and Croatia to begin accession talks with NATO. The decision was announced at the Summit meeting of NATO Heads of State and Government in the Romanian capital Bucharest.

    The Heads of State and Government of the 26 NATO countries held an extraordinary session in the presence of their counterparts from Croatia and Albania to welcome these two new members.

    “The countries that join us can be rightly proud of what they have achieved in meeting NATO's demanding criteria for membership. The many years of hard work within the Membership Action Plan have paid off. Due to your hard work, Allies can be confident that your admission to the Alliance will strengthen NATO,” said the NATO Secretary General at the meeting.

    This will be the sixth round of enlargement in the Alliance's history. Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovenia and Slovakia joined in 2004; the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland in 1999; Spain in 1982; Germany in 1955 and Greece and Turkey joined the Alliance in 1952
     

    How polite Japanese style diplomatic rejection looked like without saying "no" directly, but refusing to give even MAP option in spring:

    NATO welcomes Georgia's and Ukraine's aspirations for membership
    At the Bucharest Summit, NATO Allies welcomed Ukraine's and Georgia's Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership and agreed that these countries will become members of NATO.

    They also agreed that both nations have made valuable contributions to Alliance operations and welcomed democratic reforms in Ukraine and Georgia.

    The Membership Action Plan (MAP) is the next step for the two countries on their direct way to membership.

    Allies made clear that they support Georgia's and Ukraine's applications for MAP. Allies also said NATO will now begin a period of intensive engagement with both countries at high political level to address the questions still outstanding regarding their MAP applications. NATO Foreign Ministers were asked to make a first assessment of progress at their December 2008 meeting.
     

    However it was essentially the same Kremlin gang of dumb corrupt incompetent, but aggressive chimpanzes, only younger in age, so it can be quite justifiably assumed they were indeed mentally incapable to spot the difference, lol

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sean

    , @Derer
    @Sean


    On August 7th 2008, the Russian Army invaded the territory controlled by the central government of Georgia.
     
    This is a hypocritical statement of a troll. What is missing is prelude or provocation - the lunatic (Washington's boy now in prison) from Tbilisi started killing South Ossetians because they wanted to join North Ossetians in Russia. The failed plan was concocted in Washington.
  504. @Hyperborean
    Mr. Hack, LatW, AP on one side. Mikhail, AnonfromTN, Gerard on the other. Aside from Beckow is there anyone who actually lives in Eastern Europe right now, or are you all diasporoids?

    At least Sher Singh is honest about how he sees Canadians as suckers.

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN, @Sher Singh, @Gerard1234, @sudden death

    Mr. Hack, LatW, AP on one side. Mikhail, AnonfromTN, Gerard on the other.
    Aside from Beckow is there anyone who actually lives in Eastern Europe right
    now, or are you all diasporoids?

    I was born and raised in the USSR. I was born in Lvov, lived near Lvov for ~3 years, then lived and went to school in Lugansk (14 years), then studied in Moscow State University (5 years), then was in grad school in Moscow (3 years), then worked near Moscow (8 years) before moving to the US in 1991, when it became clear that I cannot do research in the USSR because the government stopped funding it. So, I spent post-Soviet 1990s in the US. As one of my former colleagues who remained in Russia expressed it, “you guys ran away from the horrors of capitalism to the US”.

    I visit Russia every year for about three weeks at a time, have friends and relatives there. Visited Lugansk a couple of years ago, right after Lugansk Peoples Republic was allowed to join Russia. When I retire, I intend to go back to Russia. In preparation I acquired some property and bank accounts there before Alzheimer-in-Chief blocked money transfers from the US to Russia. Now I bring cash every time I go there, change it to rubles to cover my expenses and deposit whatever remains.

    At least Sher Singh is honest about how he sees Canadians as suckers.

    Based on my experience, I see most Americans as decent hard-working people, who always want to do the right thing. Unfortunately, they are woefully ignorant and misinformed by design of the powers-that-be. I see the US elites, including figurehead “elected officials”, as thieves and criminals of the worst kind, who have no scruples. I see most US “journalists” as presstitutes, with the exception of a few honest people, who were “cancelled” (banned in all MSM) by the ruling cabal.

    This about describes where I stand. Feel free to decide whether I am a “diasporoid”.

    • Replies: @Derer
    @AnonfromTN


    I see the US elites, including figurehead “elected officials”, as thieves and criminals of the worst kind, who have no scruples.
     
    US last three presidents elected by "Democrats" Clinton, Obama, Biden arrived in Washington poor and left millionaires from politics - parasites of the highest calibre. On the other hand Trump arrived in Washington billionaire and left financially depleted.

    Washington backroom power players like bribable puppets for presidents. Trump, right from the beginning did not have a chance to implement his sound inauguration program and run the country as a business.
  505. @Hyperborean
    @songbird

    I took a look and just going by the trailer, Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey seems a lot more like the proper slasher-style aesthetics film I was expecting.

    Replies: @songbird

    Sterling Holloway, the original voice for Winnie the Pooh, played a few psychotic villains on The Shadow radio show in the late ’30s, opposite Orson Welles.

    Basically, same voice as Pooh but with more energy and emotion. One was a posioner who worked at the waterworks. Another a guy setting bombs for crowds.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterling_Holloway

  506. More inflation: I seem to have noticed that a lot of boxes of chocolates in the US have space-savers now. Shallow indentations where there is no chocolate.

    What I find very amusing is they seem to be trying some psychological trick by putting recycling info there.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @songbird

    Are you surprised by inflation? The main “buyer” of US debt obligations (called “treasuries”, which sounds like angry satire now) is the US government. This means that it is simply printing money. Inevitable result of that was known for centuries.

    However, I am not talking about inflation, I am talking about food.
    European rule: if it has more than four ingredients, it is not edible. On US-made foodstuffs the list of ingredients reads like a catalogue of a chemical company. Whenever I can, I avoid US-made food.

    Replies: @songbird

  507. @QCIC
    @Poupon Marx

    VVP says many things, that is part of his job. The policies are made by a group of people.

    I believe there are Western/NATO moves within the realm of possibility which could provoke a Russian nuclear strike. I didn't say this is likely, rather it is more likely than I previously believed. I regularly mention in these comments that escalation is a major concern on all sides.

    Replies: @Poupon Marx

    Your entire comment is one meaningless generalization after another. Banal and useless.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Poupon Marx

    My generalizations are simple but not meaningless.

    The point I am making is the nuclear weapons aspect of the Ukraine conflict should not be taken lightly.

  508. @Sean
    @sudden death


    https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2008/04-april/e0403h.html

    At the Bucharest Summit, NATO Allies welcomed Ukraine's and Georgia's Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership and agreed that these countries will become members of NATO
     
    On August 7th 2008, the Russian Army invaded the territory controlled by the central government of Georgia.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Derer

    How official invitation into NATO looked like:

    NATO invites Albania and Croatia to accession talks
    Allied leaders decided to invite Albania and Croatia to begin accession talks with NATO. The decision was announced at the Summit meeting of NATO Heads of State and Government in the Romanian capital Bucharest.

    The Heads of State and Government of the 26 NATO countries held an extraordinary session in the presence of their counterparts from Croatia and Albania to welcome these two new members.

    “The countries that join us can be rightly proud of what they have achieved in meeting NATO’s demanding criteria for membership. The many years of hard work within the Membership Action Plan have paid off. Due to your hard work, Allies can be confident that your admission to the Alliance will strengthen NATO,” said the NATO Secretary General at the meeting.

    This will be the sixth round of enlargement in the Alliance’s history. Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovenia and Slovakia joined in 2004; the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland in 1999; Spain in 1982; Germany in 1955 and Greece and Turkey joined the Alliance in 1952

    How polite Japanese style diplomatic rejection looked like without saying “no” directly, but refusing to give even MAP option in spring:

    NATO welcomes Georgia’s and Ukraine’s aspirations for membership
    At the Bucharest Summit, NATO Allies welcomed Ukraine’s and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership and agreed that these countries will become members of NATO.

    They also agreed that both nations have made valuable contributions to Alliance operations and welcomed democratic reforms in Ukraine and Georgia.

    The Membership Action Plan (MAP) is the next step for the two countries on their direct way to membership.

    Allies made clear that they support Georgia’s and Ukraine’s applications for MAP. Allies also said NATO will now begin a period of intensive engagement with both countries at high political level to address the questions still outstanding regarding their MAP applications. NATO Foreign Ministers were asked to make a first assessment of progress at their December 2008 meeting.

    However it was essentially the same Kremlin gang of dumb corrupt incompetent, but aggressive chimpanzes, only younger in age, so it can be quite justifiably assumed they were indeed mentally incapable to spot the difference, lol

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @sudden death

    With friends like those guys you don't really need any enemies.

    , @Sean
    @sudden death

    Not only did the Nato conference of 2008 say that Ukraine would definitely join Nato--at some unspecified point--but that official Nato statement was reiterated annually at the subsequent Nato conferences. Ukraine was going to join Nato, and Russia acted to forestall that by use of military force. If there was any misunderstanding it was by Ukraine, which stuck its neck out like a giraffe, with all too predictable results.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death

  509. @songbird
    More inflation: I seem to have noticed that a lot of boxes of chocolates in the US have space-savers now. Shallow indentations where there is no chocolate.

    What I find very amusing is they seem to be trying some psychological trick by putting recycling info there.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Are you surprised by inflation? The main “buyer” of US debt obligations (called “treasuries”, which sounds like angry satire now) is the US government. This means that it is simply printing money. Inevitable result of that was known for centuries.

    However, I am not talking about inflation, I am talking about food.
    European rule: if it has more than four ingredients, it is not edible. On US-made foodstuffs the list of ingredients reads like a catalogue of a chemical company. Whenever I can, I avoid US-made food.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AnonfromTN


    On US-made foodstuffs the list of ingredients reads like a catalogue of a chemical company. Whenever I can, I avoid US-made food.
     
    Not very romantic but most of flavor is pretty much aromatic compounds that can be produced through chemical synthesis. And humans have very poor sensing ability in that field, when compared to most other mammals.

    We would probably all benefit from decreasing sugar intake, and increasing fiber. But very few diseases of malnutrition in the US. No goiter, pellagra, or scurvy to speak of.

    IMO, food is the cope of expats who have moved away from expat food networks, and wish they had a taste of home and childhood. Understandable. I myself feel nostalgia for certain junk foods I have eaten only in Europe, when it was much less decayed than it is now.
  510. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Time for that loser generation with nothing but stupid yearnings to move on.
     
    To be able to maintain one's culture in one's own land and not have a crazy totalitarian neo-Soviet neighbor next door in 2024 are "stupid yearnings"?

    And what "loser generation" are you talking about? Most of my friends who are under 45 have done alright - at least a couple of my friends are in the parliament, one is a party head, others are academics, business owners, some of them have multiple properties, beautiful children. Many younger ones under 30 are doing even better (especially those who are in competitive sports). The living standard has risen consistently.

    Replies: @Beckow, @silviosilver

    …The living standard has risen consistently.

    The living standard got better under the commies. Nobody was threatening the Latvian culture or language – if you claim it you are lying. Sure, people are doing all right, people in 1985 also did better than people in 1955. That’s the way it is.

    My point was about the economic dependence on the West, the collapsed demographic, and that the less attractive parts of the West are now assertively being forced on all of central-eastern Europe. What was before only harmless liberal folklore is now pushed as the compulsory culture.

    The generation who did this was clueless – they screwed up the transition. They were naive, didn’t think long-term, they simply had no balls.

    The number of under-30 Latvians is substantially less than in the 1980’s, dropping 1% each year. In 1989 there were 2.7 million people, this year 1.8 million – projection is under 1 million in two generations. Russians are 25% of that, without them you would be heading to 1 million, like the Estonians. Is that good? Try to be honest…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    and nobody was threatening the Latvian culture or language – if you claim it you are simply lying, maybe even to yourself.
     
    This is a lie that is very easy to prove - for those who deserve this info and are not brainwashed or going out of their way to state something anti-Latvian, the way you always have done, and for those who already know the truth, as do most of our neighbors already, there is no need.

    the economic dependence on the West
     
    The economy depends on hard work, and you are wrong that there are no locally owned businesses - not as many as in Lithuania, but plenty. The world is big besides the West and Russia - we export to the whole world, not just the EU.

    Russians are 25%
     
    The percentage of Russian newborns is 16%, and among those passing away, the percentage of Russians is higher than the natives.

    Anyway, I no longer have time for your lies (nor the desire to read them).

    Replies: @Beckow, @Derer, @AnonfromTN

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    Try to be honest…
     
    Honesty means acknowledging the reality. The reality is politically incorrect. See the conundrum?
    , @sudden death
    @Beckow


    The number of under-30 Latvians is substantially less than in the 1980’s, dropping 1% each year. In 1989 there were 2.7 million people, this year 1.8 million – projection is under 1 million in two generations. Russians are 25% of that, without them you would be heading to 1 million, like the Estonians. Is that good
     
    Crocodile tears about depopulation from foreigners in bad faith are quite strange to listen as it also would be quite difficult for US right wingers understand lefties whining about overall depopulation if suddenly all Mexican immigrants or other illegals coupled with all the Afros from all accumulated years would vanish notably somehow from USA soil – that would be the cause to celebrate but not to cry.

    Given that Baltic postwar “population growth” in large part was not natural native population growth, but was fueled by Soviet forced inner open borders and colonisation policies by importing large numbers of Soviet colonists by administrative planning, especially in Latvia (where non-Latvian population share in 1989 was monstrous 49% IIRC) and Estonia, post-1991 depopulation, which increased percentage share of ethnic Latvians and Estonians in their own countries is absolutely positive development, but not otherwise.

    Post 1991 emigration was caused by the prolonged collapse of stupid Soviet economy, so that was just longterm consequence of Soviet onslaught in the 40’s, as Finland which manged to resist such Soviet onslaught did not have neither such depopulation (except military deaths in fighting Red Army) or subsequent emigration.

    btw, overall GDP in Baltics countries was growing and got larger during independence after Soviet economy collapse caused initial decline, despite depopulation and emigration, so remaining population got progressively richer.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    , @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    The living standard got better under the commies.

    LOL was that after they started importing US chicken out of desperation? They couldn't even feed themselves.

    The East Germans were forced into Communism as a slave state and they still lived better than the Russians.

    Pathetic.

    The Russians had a 25+ year head start and were still beaten by a rump German state.

    Must of been demoralizing to know that capitulated Germans still did Communism better than the Russians that forced it on everyone else.

    And that was after any German with a skill or business ran for the border.

    I've seen modern Marxists describe the GDR as the best historical form of Communism in terms of standard of living. Translation: When Germans are forced into Communism they sort of make it work and beat everyone else.

    Replies: @Beckow

  511. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...The living standard has risen consistently.
     
    The living standard got better under the commies. Nobody was threatening the Latvian culture or language - if you claim it you are lying. Sure, people are doing all right, people in 1985 also did better than people in 1955. That's the way it is.

    My point was about the economic dependence on the West, the collapsed demographic, and that the less attractive parts of the West are now assertively being forced on all of central-eastern Europe. What was before only harmless liberal folklore is now pushed as the compulsory culture.

    The generation who did this was clueless - they screwed up the transition. They were naive, didn't think long-term, they simply had no balls.

    The number of under-30 Latvians is substantially less than in the 1980's, dropping 1% each year. In 1989 there were 2.7 million people, this year 1.8 million - projection is under 1 million in two generations. Russians are 25% of that, without them you would be heading to 1 million, like the Estonians. Is that good? Try to be honest...

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN, @sudden death, @John Johnson

    and nobody was threatening the Latvian culture or language – if you claim it you are simply lying, maybe even to yourself.

    This is a lie that is very easy to prove – for those who deserve this info and are not brainwashed or going out of their way to state something anti-Latvian, the way you always have done, and for those who already know the truth, as do most of our neighbors already, there is no need.

    the economic dependence on the West

    The economy depends on hard work, and you are wrong that there are no locally owned businesses – not as many as in Lithuania, but plenty. The world is big besides the West and Russia – we export to the whole world, not just the EU.

    Russians are 25%

    The percentage of Russian newborns is 16%, and among those passing away, the percentage of Russians is higher than the natives.

    Anyway, I no longer have time for your lies (nor the desire to read them).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...that is very easy to prove
     
    So do it. But you can't because Latvian was the official language and the culture was Latvian.

    It sounds like you have lost the argument old lady, can't handle it and so you will go and hide. Good riddance...

    , @Derer
    @LatW


    The percentage of Russian newborns is 16%,
     
    That figure is not accurate because of mix marriages - misleading.
    , @AnonfromTN
    @LatW


    and nobody was threatening the Latvian culture or language – if you claim it you are simply lying, maybe even to yourself.
    This is a lie that is very easy to prove
     
    Incredibly easy. Just a few numbers:

    How many movies did Riga studio make in 1992-2023? How does that compare with the preceding 32 years?

    How many people watched those movies? How does that compare with the preceding 32 years?

    How any books in Latvian were published in 1992-2023? How does that compare with the preceding 32 years?

    How many Latvian books were translated into other languages after 1991? How does that compare with the preceding 32 years?

    I can continue in this vein, but I rest my case.
  512. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...The living standard has risen consistently.
     
    The living standard got better under the commies. Nobody was threatening the Latvian culture or language - if you claim it you are lying. Sure, people are doing all right, people in 1985 also did better than people in 1955. That's the way it is.

    My point was about the economic dependence on the West, the collapsed demographic, and that the less attractive parts of the West are now assertively being forced on all of central-eastern Europe. What was before only harmless liberal folklore is now pushed as the compulsory culture.

    The generation who did this was clueless - they screwed up the transition. They were naive, didn't think long-term, they simply had no balls.

    The number of under-30 Latvians is substantially less than in the 1980's, dropping 1% each year. In 1989 there were 2.7 million people, this year 1.8 million - projection is under 1 million in two generations. Russians are 25% of that, without them you would be heading to 1 million, like the Estonians. Is that good? Try to be honest...

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN, @sudden death, @John Johnson

    Try to be honest…

    Honesty means acknowledging the reality. The reality is politically incorrect. See the conundrum?

  513. @Poupon Marx
    @QCIC

    Your entire comment is one meaningless generalization after another. Banal and useless.

    Replies: @QCIC

    My generalizations are simple but not meaningless.

    The point I am making is the nuclear weapons aspect of the Ukraine conflict should not be taken lightly.

  514. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...The living standard has risen consistently.
     
    The living standard got better under the commies. Nobody was threatening the Latvian culture or language - if you claim it you are lying. Sure, people are doing all right, people in 1985 also did better than people in 1955. That's the way it is.

    My point was about the economic dependence on the West, the collapsed demographic, and that the less attractive parts of the West are now assertively being forced on all of central-eastern Europe. What was before only harmless liberal folklore is now pushed as the compulsory culture.

    The generation who did this was clueless - they screwed up the transition. They were naive, didn't think long-term, they simply had no balls.

    The number of under-30 Latvians is substantially less than in the 1980's, dropping 1% each year. In 1989 there were 2.7 million people, this year 1.8 million - projection is under 1 million in two generations. Russians are 25% of that, without them you would be heading to 1 million, like the Estonians. Is that good? Try to be honest...

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN, @sudden death, @John Johnson

    The number of under-30 Latvians is substantially less than in the 1980’s, dropping 1% each year. In 1989 there were 2.7 million people, this year 1.8 million – projection is under 1 million in two generations. Russians are 25% of that, without them you would be heading to 1 million, like the Estonians. Is that good

    Crocodile tears about depopulation from foreigners in bad faith are quite strange to listen as it also would be quite difficult for US right wingers understand lefties whining about overall depopulation if suddenly all Mexican immigrants or other illegals coupled with all the Afros from all accumulated years would vanish notably somehow from USA soil – that would be the cause to celebrate but not to cry.

    Given that Baltic postwar “population growth” in large part was not natural native population growth, but was fueled by Soviet forced inner open borders and colonisation policies by importing large numbers of Soviet colonists by administrative planning, especially in Latvia (where non-Latvian population share in 1989 was monstrous 49% IIRC) and Estonia, post-1991 depopulation, which increased percentage share of ethnic Latvians and Estonians in their own countries is absolutely positive development, but not otherwise.

    Post 1991 emigration was caused by the prolonged collapse of stupid Soviet economy, so that was just longterm consequence of Soviet onslaught in the 40’s, as Finland which manged to resist such Soviet onslaught did not have neither such depopulation (except military deaths in fighting Red Army) or subsequent emigration.

    btw, overall GDP in Baltics countries was growing and got larger during independence after Soviet economy collapse caused initial decline, despite depopulation and emigration, so remaining population got progressively richer.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @sudden death

    These were not "occupants" you dipshit, but liberators who rebuilt the country and invested huge amounts of money, and of course the intellectual capital of Russians was the most important thing in helping Baltics earthworms.

    Soviet people coming in was accompanied by Baltics Germans moving out. The Germans- the traditional slave/earthworm owners of all 3 of the Baltics and who treated the Latvian and Estonian to the most heavily severe serfdom conditions anywhere in Europe, for centuries.

    Baltics German presence was essential to the Western money and companies that went into proebaltiskot states in 1920-40. Western individuals and companies owned nearly everything in preww2 proebaltika.
    So Stalinist expulsion of Germans absolutely essential to development of (sick) Latvian, Lithuanian, slow Estonian national identities and "culture" that exists today. You cannot separate these 2 events of Germans expelled and Soviets come in, you ungrateful swine. Or the huge addition of land given to Litva by Stalin.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @sudden death

  515. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Time for that loser generation with nothing but stupid yearnings to move on.
     
    To be able to maintain one's culture in one's own land and not have a crazy totalitarian neo-Soviet neighbor next door in 2024 are "stupid yearnings"?

    And what "loser generation" are you talking about? Most of my friends who are under 45 have done alright - at least a couple of my friends are in the parliament, one is a party head, others are academics, business owners, some of them have multiple properties, beautiful children. Many younger ones under 30 are doing even better (especially those who are in competitive sports). The living standard has risen consistently.

    Replies: @Beckow, @silviosilver

    And what “loser generation” are you talking about?

    Quite funny to hear a butthurt eastern European with a deep-seated inferiority complex he’s incapable of disguising call “losers” people who managed to clamber out of the hole dug for them by the moral and economic tommyrot of his favorite ideology. The only question is which is more pathetic – that, or his lickspittle admiration of Russian megalomaniacs (“they love us, they’ll look after us, not like those horrible germanics.”)

    • Agree: sudden death
  516. @AnonfromTN
    @songbird

    Are you surprised by inflation? The main “buyer” of US debt obligations (called “treasuries”, which sounds like angry satire now) is the US government. This means that it is simply printing money. Inevitable result of that was known for centuries.

    However, I am not talking about inflation, I am talking about food.
    European rule: if it has more than four ingredients, it is not edible. On US-made foodstuffs the list of ingredients reads like a catalogue of a chemical company. Whenever I can, I avoid US-made food.

    Replies: @songbird

    On US-made foodstuffs the list of ingredients reads like a catalogue of a chemical company. Whenever I can, I avoid US-made food.

    Not very romantic but most of flavor is pretty much aromatic compounds that can be produced through chemical synthesis. And humans have very poor sensing ability in that field, when compared to most other mammals.

    We would probably all benefit from decreasing sugar intake, and increasing fiber. But very few diseases of malnutrition in the US. No goiter, pellagra, or scurvy to speak of.

    IMO, food is the cope of expats who have moved away from expat food networks, and wish they had a taste of home and childhood. Understandable. I myself feel nostalgia for certain junk foods I have eaten only in Europe, when it was much less decayed than it is now.

  517. @LatW
    @German_reader


    but it was very bad style from me to descend to the level of such insults.
     
    It's not about style (and you are typically measured, at least towards non-EEs), it's characteristic of your overall condescending attitude - you have a strange kind of a very negative animus towards me. I admit that a lot of what I've posted over the years has been pure emotional trolling (this is simply because I have to lead a rather structured life with obligations and have no other emotional outlet, and, yes, I understand it's unseemly) but not even all of it, and some of what I posted was intentionally provocative - mostly for entertainment purposes, to deal with boredom. Also, I had to address some of the blatant misrepresentations here and attacks on my own nation and its history.

    However, I know several Eastern Euro languages, not just Russian - this is something that practically none of you here do. I have real life sources and my background has allowed me to see things you haven't seen.

    I knew that some anti-Russia posts would illicit a negative reaction. However, what did you guys expect - to not have the position of Russia's neighbors represented on a Russian reaction forum?

    I have already taken a ton of hostility and rudeness on this forum - some of it slightly provoked maybe, but most of it - completely undeserved and a lot of it based on bigotry. Just because people do not want to hear about reality - all aspects of it. They don't like their comfortable little truths to be challenged.


    like her enthusiasm for sending those “Free Russians” over the border
     
    That's just because I get excited by such wild paramilitary types - sorry, it's a personal weakness that I will admit. I recognize that it is questionable and somewhat unethical to support some of their activity - but then again, it is also unethical how the Putin regime has treated some of them prior (not to mention the invasion). They are on their own land and they have a right to fight for their freedom. Свободу России!

    As to Toly's latest outburst of graphomania - yes, it is hilarious and funny, but I'm really puzzled as to how you guys did not notice his orientation from the get go (granted, he did hide it well) - I was aware of it years ago. It's just the most elaborate and hilarious coming out I've ever seen.

    As to the Dark Elves - a translator friend of mine who knows Tolkien very well, once told me that some of the elves were taken captive either by orcs or by some dark forces and bred with them so this is how the Dark Elves came into this world - I'm not sure if he just made that up or if it's somewhere in the books (I don't recall such a thing, but then I didn't scour through them the way he did), but Morgul means sorcery in Sindarin, and it is somehow connected to the Nazgul. So these Dark Elves are somehow connected to this. That's how he explained it, but he may have made it up (he had created his own "mythical persona" based on that).

    To Mr Hack: rest assured I will not be abandoning our cause, our common freedom, but will find a more productive way to fight for it (without toxicity and insults).

    Enjoy your eco chamber, gentlemen.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @songbird, @S, @Derer, @German_reader

    without toxicity and insults).

    Ah, but I think you and Mikel and GR enjoy ribbing each other, or else it wouldn’t be carried over from previous threads.

    BTW, I am sure that I don’t have to tell you this, but cows are a very elevated animal in Germany, ubiquitously associated with sugar and the pleasures of being a delinquent in school:
    https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaugummi

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    I posted this before:

    https://doomberg.substack.com/p/why-are-cows-sacred

    On the other hand cows are very stupid. Pigs are magnificent geniuses by comparison.

    Replies: @songbird

  518. @sudden death
    @Sean

    How official invitation into NATO looked like:


    NATO invites Albania and Croatia to accession talks
    Allied leaders decided to invite Albania and Croatia to begin accession talks with NATO. The decision was announced at the Summit meeting of NATO Heads of State and Government in the Romanian capital Bucharest.

    The Heads of State and Government of the 26 NATO countries held an extraordinary session in the presence of their counterparts from Croatia and Albania to welcome these two new members.

    “The countries that join us can be rightly proud of what they have achieved in meeting NATO's demanding criteria for membership. The many years of hard work within the Membership Action Plan have paid off. Due to your hard work, Allies can be confident that your admission to the Alliance will strengthen NATO,” said the NATO Secretary General at the meeting.

    This will be the sixth round of enlargement in the Alliance's history. Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovenia and Slovakia joined in 2004; the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland in 1999; Spain in 1982; Germany in 1955 and Greece and Turkey joined the Alliance in 1952
     

    How polite Japanese style diplomatic rejection looked like without saying "no" directly, but refusing to give even MAP option in spring:

    NATO welcomes Georgia's and Ukraine's aspirations for membership
    At the Bucharest Summit, NATO Allies welcomed Ukraine's and Georgia's Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership and agreed that these countries will become members of NATO.

    They also agreed that both nations have made valuable contributions to Alliance operations and welcomed democratic reforms in Ukraine and Georgia.

    The Membership Action Plan (MAP) is the next step for the two countries on their direct way to membership.

    Allies made clear that they support Georgia's and Ukraine's applications for MAP. Allies also said NATO will now begin a period of intensive engagement with both countries at high political level to address the questions still outstanding regarding their MAP applications. NATO Foreign Ministers were asked to make a first assessment of progress at their December 2008 meeting.
     

    However it was essentially the same Kremlin gang of dumb corrupt incompetent, but aggressive chimpanzes, only younger in age, so it can be quite justifiably assumed they were indeed mentally incapable to spot the difference, lol

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sean

    With friends like those guys you don’t really need any enemies.

  519. @LatW
    @Beckow


    and nobody was threatening the Latvian culture or language – if you claim it you are simply lying, maybe even to yourself.
     
    This is a lie that is very easy to prove - for those who deserve this info and are not brainwashed or going out of their way to state something anti-Latvian, the way you always have done, and for those who already know the truth, as do most of our neighbors already, there is no need.

    the economic dependence on the West
     
    The economy depends on hard work, and you are wrong that there are no locally owned businesses - not as many as in Lithuania, but plenty. The world is big besides the West and Russia - we export to the whole world, not just the EU.

    Russians are 25%
     
    The percentage of Russian newborns is 16%, and among those passing away, the percentage of Russians is higher than the natives.

    Anyway, I no longer have time for your lies (nor the desire to read them).

    Replies: @Beckow, @Derer, @AnonfromTN

    …that is very easy to prove

    So do it. But you can’t because Latvian was the official language and the culture was Latvian.

    It sounds like you have lost the argument old lady, can’t handle it and so you will go and hide. Good riddance…

  520. @songbird
    @LatW


    without toxicity and insults).
     
    Ah, but I think you and Mikel and GR enjoy ribbing each other, or else it wouldn't be carried over from previous threads.

    BTW, I am sure that I don't have to tell you this, but cows are a very elevated animal in Germany, ubiquitously associated with sugar and the pleasures of being a delinquent in school:
    https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaugummi

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    I posted this before:

    https://doomberg.substack.com/p/why-are-cows-sacred

    On the other hand cows are very stupid. Pigs are magnificent geniuses by comparison.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Reminds me, I meant to make a comment about the expedition over the Alps:


    The members of the expedition originally planned to call the 5,700 pound (2.6 t) elephant Hannibella, however, the animal could not be made to respond to the new name and thus remained Jumbo.[3][6] Jumbo was 11 years old and equipped with leather boots and knee pads for the most treacherous passages. A specially made coat was provided to keep her warm.[5] Despite a diet consisting of 150 pounds (68 kg) of hay, 50 pounds (23 kg) of apples, 40 pounds (18 kg) of bread, 20 pounds (9.1 kg) of carrots, and a vitamin B supplement per day, she lost an estimated 300 pounds (140 kg) during the first 4 days of the trip,[2] and nearly 500 pounds (230 kg) in total. On arrival in Italy, she consumed cake and a Magnum bottle of Chianti.[5]
     
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Alpine_Hannibal_Expedition

    I'm thinking that the bacteria in the elephant's gut were somehow thrown off by the altitude. (in contrast, there is an old idea that Tibetan Yaks could only survive above a certain altitude.)

    Perhaps, a similar thing happened to vegetarian Indians in Hindu Kush.
  521. @Hyperborean
    Mickey Mouse is now public domain and they released a horror film trailer. It's about an angry incel who gets rejected and goes on to kill a bunch of Stacies and Chads.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jVjt52sOs6g

    Personally, solely going by the trailer, I thought it needed more pizazz. It's an amusing gimmick, but it doesn't come off as terrifying in any way.

    Replies: @songbird, @John Johnson

    Looks terrible.

    Hollywood produces these garbage movies for teens like cheap sausage.

    Everyone working on them knows they are junk and will never win awards.

    They produce them because US teens will watch any available horror movie on a Friday night.

  522. @AnonfromTN
    @Hyperborean


    Mr. Hack, LatW, AP on one side. Mikhail, AnonfromTN, Gerard on the other.
    Aside from Beckow is there anyone who actually lives in Eastern Europe right
    now, or are you all diasporoids?
     
    I was born and raised in the USSR. I was born in Lvov, lived near Lvov for ~3 years, then lived and went to school in Lugansk (14 years), then studied in Moscow State University (5 years), then was in grad school in Moscow (3 years), then worked near Moscow (8 years) before moving to the US in 1991, when it became clear that I cannot do research in the USSR because the government stopped funding it. So, I spent post-Soviet 1990s in the US. As one of my former colleagues who remained in Russia expressed it, “you guys ran away from the horrors of capitalism to the US”.

    I visit Russia every year for about three weeks at a time, have friends and relatives there. Visited Lugansk a couple of years ago, right after Lugansk Peoples Republic was allowed to join Russia. When I retire, I intend to go back to Russia. In preparation I acquired some property and bank accounts there before Alzheimer-in-Chief blocked money transfers from the US to Russia. Now I bring cash every time I go there, change it to rubles to cover my expenses and deposit whatever remains.

    At least Sher Singh is honest about how he sees Canadians as suckers.
     
    Based on my experience, I see most Americans as decent hard-working people, who always want to do the right thing. Unfortunately, they are woefully ignorant and misinformed by design of the powers-that-be. I see the US elites, including figurehead “elected officials”, as thieves and criminals of the worst kind, who have no scruples. I see most US “journalists” as presstitutes, with the exception of a few honest people, who were “cancelled” (banned in all MSM) by the ruling cabal.

    This about describes where I stand. Feel free to decide whether I am a “diasporoid”.

    Replies: @Derer

    I see the US elites, including figurehead “elected officials”, as thieves and criminals of the worst kind, who have no scruples.

    US last three presidents elected by “Democrats” Clinton, Obama, Biden arrived in Washington poor and left millionaires from politics – parasites of the highest calibre. On the other hand Trump arrived in Washington billionaire and left financially depleted.

    Washington backroom power players like bribable puppets for presidents. Trump, right from the beginning did not have a chance to implement his sound inauguration program and run the country as a business.

  523. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...The living standard has risen consistently.
     
    The living standard got better under the commies. Nobody was threatening the Latvian culture or language - if you claim it you are lying. Sure, people are doing all right, people in 1985 also did better than people in 1955. That's the way it is.

    My point was about the economic dependence on the West, the collapsed demographic, and that the less attractive parts of the West are now assertively being forced on all of central-eastern Europe. What was before only harmless liberal folklore is now pushed as the compulsory culture.

    The generation who did this was clueless - they screwed up the transition. They were naive, didn't think long-term, they simply had no balls.

    The number of under-30 Latvians is substantially less than in the 1980's, dropping 1% each year. In 1989 there were 2.7 million people, this year 1.8 million - projection is under 1 million in two generations. Russians are 25% of that, without them you would be heading to 1 million, like the Estonians. Is that good? Try to be honest...

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN, @sudden death, @John Johnson

    The living standard got better under the commies.

    LOL was that after they started importing US chicken out of desperation? They couldn’t even feed themselves.

    The East Germans were forced into Communism as a slave state and they still lived better than the Russians.

    Pathetic.

    The Russians had a 25+ year head start and were still beaten by a rump German state.

    Must of been demoralizing to know that capitulated Germans still did Communism better than the Russians that forced it on everyone else.

    And that was after any German with a skill or business ran for the border.

    I’ve seen modern Marxists describe the GDR as the best historical form of Communism in terms of standard of living. Translation: When Germans are forced into Communism they sort of make it work and beat everyone else.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You seem a complete idiot with weird pro-Nazi sentiment that you hide behind your Germano-philia. Sad case, but the West is full of people like you. In eastern Europe the best overall life was probably in Hungary and Czechoslovakia, E Germany was a closed society, we were not.

    The living standard got better under the commies, that is the simple truth. Often dramatically so. Compare 1950 to 1980, and don't be an idiot, but I don't think you can help it.

    Your hallucinations about "frozen chickens" are a reflection of your bottomless stupidity. By the way, in EU the American "frozen chickens" are not allowed, because they are not really chickens, whatever they are, pumped with steroids and chemicals. Even Russia bans them. But enjoy, that's all you have got...:)

  524. @Poupon Marx
    @John Johnson



    And how can we trust such a poll when the media is censored?

    Fidel would claim that he had 99% support. Do you think that was accurate?

    I’ve also never seen anything that shows 85%. Let’s see a source on that.
     

    And how can we trust such a poll when the media is censored?
     
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-rating-russia/

    You are the one that tried denying the egg shortage existed because you didn’t want to Google “egg shortage Russia” and spend 2 minutes reading about it. You incorrectly assumed that the rest of us spend as much time in our imagination. In the China/Russia thread someone explained the egg shortage and yet YOU STILL went on some unhinged rant instead of actually reading about it.
     
    https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/finance/why-are-eggs-so-expensive#:~:text=There%27s%20an%20egg%20shortage%20because,for%20Disease%20Control%20and%20Prevention.

    Is there an egg shortage in the world?
    There's an egg shortage because the ongoing bird flu outbreak has killed millions of egg-laying chickens. As of November 2023, more than 61 million birds have died in the U.S. due to the outbreak, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.Dec 20, 2023
     

    Why Are Eggs So Expensive?
    The cost of eggs skyrocketed a year ago thanks to an unprecedented bird flu outbreak. Prices have declined in recent months as the crisis has eased.
    Cara Smith
    By Cara Smith 
    Updated Dec 20, 2023 9:31 a.m. PST
     

    https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/finance/why-are-eggs-so-expensive#:~:text=There%27s%20an%20egg%20shortage%20because,for%20Disease%20Control%20and%20Prevention.
    Several factors, including food shortages, rising energy costs, and bird flu, are contributing to the ongoing egg shortage. Llyr Jones, whose 32,000 hens supply Tesco, claimed that factors like last year's skyrocketing energy prices caused several farmers to leave the business.May 17, 2023
     
    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/egg-shortage-supermarkets-bird-flu-cost-of-living-b1040104.html#:~:text=Several%20factors%2C%20including%20food%20shortages,farmers%20to%20leave%20the%20business.

    You are addicted to humiliation and exposition as an idiotic, imbecile, and moron, Johnson. Why are you so masochistic and eager to be made a fool of, constantly?? Appears like your disease requires intervention and treatment.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @John Johnson

    Russians asked who they will vote for:

    You are certain he has 85% support?

    Do you believe other figures from Russia like their proclaimed inflation rate?

    It seems that some our Putin defenders are needed in Russia. Quite a few Russians seem to think Putin is a dictator and the election is fake.

    • Replies: @Derer
    @John Johnson

    Stop this nonsense and hate. I am probably not that far off by assuming that you are an illegitimate child of rape committed by Russian.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    Most depressing for me is to see that so many younger folks seem to be "for Putin". The older ones seem to be more cynical as regards to Putler's abilities to run things. Still, 43% for Putin in a country where the political opposition is monitored and controlled so thoroughly seems low to me, but certainly high enough for manipulators to make it work..

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @John Johnson

  525. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    I posted this before:

    https://doomberg.substack.com/p/why-are-cows-sacred

    On the other hand cows are very stupid. Pigs are magnificent geniuses by comparison.

    Replies: @songbird

    Reminds me, I meant to make a comment about the expedition over the Alps:

    The members of the expedition originally planned to call the 5,700 pound (2.6 t) elephant Hannibella, however, the animal could not be made to respond to the new name and thus remained Jumbo.[3][6] Jumbo was 11 years old and equipped with leather boots and knee pads for the most treacherous passages. A specially made coat was provided to keep her warm.[5] Despite a diet consisting of 150 pounds (68 kg) of hay, 50 pounds (23 kg) of apples, 40 pounds (18 kg) of bread, 20 pounds (9.1 kg) of carrots, and a vitamin B supplement per day, she lost an estimated 300 pounds (140 kg) during the first 4 days of the trip,[2] and nearly 500 pounds (230 kg) in total. On arrival in Italy, she consumed cake and a Magnum bottle of Chianti.[5]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Alpine_Hannibal_Expedition

    I’m thinking that the bacteria in the elephant’s gut were somehow thrown off by the altitude. (in contrast, there is an old idea that Tibetan Yaks could only survive above a certain altitude.)

    Perhaps, a similar thing happened to vegetarian Indians in Hindu Kush.

  526. @LatW
    @Beckow


    and nobody was threatening the Latvian culture or language – if you claim it you are simply lying, maybe even to yourself.
     
    This is a lie that is very easy to prove - for those who deserve this info and are not brainwashed or going out of their way to state something anti-Latvian, the way you always have done, and for those who already know the truth, as do most of our neighbors already, there is no need.

    the economic dependence on the West
     
    The economy depends on hard work, and you are wrong that there are no locally owned businesses - not as many as in Lithuania, but plenty. The world is big besides the West and Russia - we export to the whole world, not just the EU.

    Russians are 25%
     
    The percentage of Russian newborns is 16%, and among those passing away, the percentage of Russians is higher than the natives.

    Anyway, I no longer have time for your lies (nor the desire to read them).

    Replies: @Beckow, @Derer, @AnonfromTN

    The percentage of Russian newborns is 16%,

    That figure is not accurate because of mix marriages – misleading.

  527. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    The living standard got better under the commies.

    LOL was that after they started importing US chicken out of desperation? They couldn't even feed themselves.

    The East Germans were forced into Communism as a slave state and they still lived better than the Russians.

    Pathetic.

    The Russians had a 25+ year head start and were still beaten by a rump German state.

    Must of been demoralizing to know that capitulated Germans still did Communism better than the Russians that forced it on everyone else.

    And that was after any German with a skill or business ran for the border.

    I've seen modern Marxists describe the GDR as the best historical form of Communism in terms of standard of living. Translation: When Germans are forced into Communism they sort of make it work and beat everyone else.

    Replies: @Beckow

    You seem a complete idiot with weird pro-Nazi sentiment that you hide behind your Germano-philia. Sad case, but the West is full of people like you. In eastern Europe the best overall life was probably in Hungary and Czechoslovakia, E Germany was a closed society, we were not.

    The living standard got better under the commies, that is the simple truth. Often dramatically so. Compare 1950 to 1980, and don’t be an idiot, but I don’t think you can help it.

    Your hallucinations about “frozen chickens” are a reflection of your bottomless stupidity. By the way, in EU the American “frozen chickens” are not allowed, because they are not really chickens, whatever they are, pumped with steroids and chemicals. Even Russia bans them. But enjoy, that’s all you have got…:)

  528. @John Johnson
    @Poupon Marx

    Russians asked who they will vote for:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t1zpFkuBMY

    You are certain he has 85% support?

    Do you believe other figures from Russia like their proclaimed inflation rate?

    It seems that some our Putin defenders are needed in Russia. Quite a few Russians seem to think Putin is a dictator and the election is fake.

    Replies: @Derer, @Mr. Hack

    Stop this nonsense and hate. I am probably not that far off by assuming that you are an illegitimate child of rape committed by Russian.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Derer

    Stop this nonsense and hate. I am probably not that far off by assuming that you are an illegitimate child of rape committed by Russian.

    Posting a video of Russians being interviewed by a Russian is nonsense and hate?

    Is that right?

    Did you even watch the video?

  529. @LatW
    @Beckow


    and nobody was threatening the Latvian culture or language – if you claim it you are simply lying, maybe even to yourself.
     
    This is a lie that is very easy to prove - for those who deserve this info and are not brainwashed or going out of their way to state something anti-Latvian, the way you always have done, and for those who already know the truth, as do most of our neighbors already, there is no need.

    the economic dependence on the West
     
    The economy depends on hard work, and you are wrong that there are no locally owned businesses - not as many as in Lithuania, but plenty. The world is big besides the West and Russia - we export to the whole world, not just the EU.

    Russians are 25%
     
    The percentage of Russian newborns is 16%, and among those passing away, the percentage of Russians is higher than the natives.

    Anyway, I no longer have time for your lies (nor the desire to read them).

    Replies: @Beckow, @Derer, @AnonfromTN

    and nobody was threatening the Latvian culture or language – if you claim it you are simply lying, maybe even to yourself.
    This is a lie that is very easy to prove

    Incredibly easy. Just a few numbers:

    How many movies did Riga studio make in 1992-2023? How does that compare with the preceding 32 years?

    How many people watched those movies? How does that compare with the preceding 32 years?

    How any books in Latvian were published in 1992-2023? How does that compare with the preceding 32 years?

    How many Latvian books were translated into other languages after 1991? How does that compare with the preceding 32 years?

    I can continue in this vein, but I rest my case.

  530. @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Have the Dutch cancelled Black Pete yet?
     
    It’s Grandfather Frost in Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus. Who knows what’s it in the Netherlands? And who cares, except maybe Dutch.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    Russian contribution to western Christmas is Troika by Prokofiev, Carol of the bells ( yes that is Russian not ukrop) and of course the Nutcracker suite. In addition other Russian ballet part of the Christmas concert season also. That’s a large contribution

    Polish contribution to western Christmas is of course….. f**k all. Nothing. Zero. Totally useless.

    Closest thing to a Polish contribution to Christmas is the actress in Irony of Fate (which of course is New Year)

    Western Christmas (and its parts that were adopted into Russian New Year/Christmas) is mostly German and some British Christmas objects ( yelka, baubles, cracker etc) , traditional Christmas music from primarily German, French, English compositions. German Christmas markets are very pleasant and appear to have been adopted over the world. Of course their Saint Nicholas vision is American creation and big originator of many facets to modern Western and all the world Christmas. Then there is (((American))) Christmas popular music.
    Ice rinks don’t appear to be that popular in Europe for this period as for Russia.
    Maybe ice-skating in Netherlands.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234


    Russian contribution to western Christmas is...Carol of the bells ( yes that is Russian not ukrop)
     
    C'mon Geraldina, your hatred of all things Ukrainian is only surpassed by your stupidity here. Here's an interesting expose that explains how the Ukrainian Leontovich created this song based on a Ukrainian folk song and then how a popular Ukrainian choir under the direction of the Ukrainian Koshyts brought the piece to the world's attention in European and American tours in the 1920's:

    https://ukraine.ua/carol-of-the-bells/
    A fantastic photo montage accompanies the script.

    https://compote.slate.com/images/2dfcf12c-d412-40b1-833b-25fb7f80c736.jpeg?crop=1137%2C758%2Cx0%2Cy0&width=840
    The Ukrainian National Chorus in Buenos Aires in 1923.

    https://www.americamagazine.org/sites/default/files/main_image/2022/11/09/ukraine-carolers-istock.jpeg.jpeg

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  531. @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Not according to Kaur Life, the premier publication for Sikh femoids:
    https://kaurlife.org/2015/01/27/resistrazor/


    As a footballer I would often wear shorts. When I got into Sikhi and kept my kes, kes in armpits wasn’t difficult to keep but, kes on my legs was hard. Eventually, I got the courage to turn up to practice exposing my hairy legs.
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh

    A man’s opinion on women is the only valid one.

    ਅਕਾਲ

  532. Sher Singh says:
    @Hyperborean
    Mr. Hack, LatW, AP on one side. Mikhail, AnonfromTN, Gerard on the other. Aside from Beckow is there anyone who actually lives in Eastern Europe right now, or are you all diasporoids?

    At least Sher Singh is honest about how he sees Canadians as suckers.

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN, @Sher Singh, @Gerard1234, @sudden death

    At least Sher Singh is honest about how he sees Canadians as suckers.

    I think they’re cucks & hypocritical since they don’t follow their ‘human rights law’.
    It’s an evolving conversation, and one that Sikhs need to push for the benefit of all.

    In this context religious minorities communicate their needs and goals to the larger Canadian society, in the process pushing the scope and advancing the parameters of human rights for all Canadians. This challenges the false narrative that Canada is a religiously neutral nation without its mainstream society’s own fervently held beliefs and practices, and of religious minorities as an inherently threatening force to these inviolable values

    You’re just seeing me interact with highly recalcitrant nationalist types.

    Equality before the law (assimilation) was just the final phase of Christianizing Europe.
    If we’ve moved beyond Christianity to enlightenment values & multicultural tolerance –
    then it’s necessary to dismantle the last vestiges of that Christian system & its defenders.

    This has global implications as the west sets standards for other societies such as India & China.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Sher Singh

    https://alphaprogression.com/en

    Fk wordceling.

    https://akarlin.com/

    Bunch of new Karlin posts will de-construct soonish.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Hyperborean
    @Sher Singh


    I think they’re cucks & hypocritical since they don’t follow their ‘human rights law’.
    It’s an evolving conversation, and one that Sikhs need to push for the benefit of all.

     

    In which case an honest liberal would just reply, you have a human right to be liberated from ignorance.

    You’re just seeing me interact with highly recalcitrant nationalist types.

    Equality before the law (assimilation) was just the final phase of Christianizing Europe.
    If we’ve moved beyond Christianity to enlightenment values & multicultural tolerance –
    then it’s necessary to dismantle the last vestiges of that Christian system & its defenders.

    This has global implications as the west sets standards for other societies such as India & China.
     
    I realise this is just more of your attempt to stick everything you don't like to Christianity, but instead of posting Sikh scripture or whatever it is you post, maybe learn some intellectual history.

    Il faut tout refuser aux Juifs comme nation et accorder tout aux Juifs comme individus.

    Enlightenment values means religious minorities are granted rights based on them at least pretending to care about society as a whole. If Canada was a historical Christian state you'd either be told to convert or pack your suitcase.

    Also, you're a small minority in both India and Canada, is denouncing equality before the law seriously the hill you want to die on? So you can what? Publicly brandish swords or say women suck or whatever?

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Sher Singh

  533. @sudden death
    @Beckow


    The number of under-30 Latvians is substantially less than in the 1980’s, dropping 1% each year. In 1989 there were 2.7 million people, this year 1.8 million – projection is under 1 million in two generations. Russians are 25% of that, without them you would be heading to 1 million, like the Estonians. Is that good
     
    Crocodile tears about depopulation from foreigners in bad faith are quite strange to listen as it also would be quite difficult for US right wingers understand lefties whining about overall depopulation if suddenly all Mexican immigrants or other illegals coupled with all the Afros from all accumulated years would vanish notably somehow from USA soil – that would be the cause to celebrate but not to cry.

    Given that Baltic postwar “population growth” in large part was not natural native population growth, but was fueled by Soviet forced inner open borders and colonisation policies by importing large numbers of Soviet colonists by administrative planning, especially in Latvia (where non-Latvian population share in 1989 was monstrous 49% IIRC) and Estonia, post-1991 depopulation, which increased percentage share of ethnic Latvians and Estonians in their own countries is absolutely positive development, but not otherwise.

    Post 1991 emigration was caused by the prolonged collapse of stupid Soviet economy, so that was just longterm consequence of Soviet onslaught in the 40’s, as Finland which manged to resist such Soviet onslaught did not have neither such depopulation (except military deaths in fighting Red Army) or subsequent emigration.

    btw, overall GDP in Baltics countries was growing and got larger during independence after Soviet economy collapse caused initial decline, despite depopulation and emigration, so remaining population got progressively richer.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    These were not “occupants” you dipshit, but liberators who rebuilt the country and invested huge amounts of money, and of course the intellectual capital of Russians was the most important thing in helping Baltics earthworms.

    Soviet people coming in was accompanied by Baltics Germans moving out. The Germans- the traditional slave/earthworm owners of all 3 of the Baltics and who treated the Latvian and Estonian to the most heavily severe serfdom conditions anywhere in Europe, for centuries.

    Baltics German presence was essential to the Western money and companies that went into proebaltiskot states in 1920-40. Western individuals and companies owned nearly everything in preww2 proebaltika.
    So Stalinist expulsion of Germans absolutely essential to development of (sick) Latvian, Lithuanian, slow Estonian national identities and “culture” that exists today. You cannot separate these 2 events of Germans expelled and Soviets come in, you ungrateful swine. Or the huge addition of land given to Litva by Stalin.

    • LOL: Yevardian
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Gerard1234


    Or the huge addition of land given to Litva by Stalin.
     
    In that Stalin was 100% wrong. Poles would agree.
    , @sudden death
    @Gerard1234


    Soviet people coming in was accompanied by Baltics Germans moving out
     
    There were 60k Germans overall in Latvia, which had the biggest amount of them in all Baltics, according to 1935 census which accounted for grand total 3,2% of all population, while ethnic Latvians had roughly nearly 1,5 million then.

    There were roughly 1,1 million non-ethnic Latvians in 1989, while ethnic Latvians had even fewer numbers compared with previous independent years, roughly just 1,4 million, so imho they would more than gladly exchange keeping those Baltic Germans into not getting additional million of Soviet sent colonists during 50 years of occupation.


    Western individuals and companies owned nearly everything
     
    Let's for a moment assume those Sovok hallucinations are truthful - then thank God for this as local people were not dying in millions from hunger like in Soviet owned neighbouring USSR paradise at the time, lol

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  534. @Gerard1234
    @sudden death

    These were not "occupants" you dipshit, but liberators who rebuilt the country and invested huge amounts of money, and of course the intellectual capital of Russians was the most important thing in helping Baltics earthworms.

    Soviet people coming in was accompanied by Baltics Germans moving out. The Germans- the traditional slave/earthworm owners of all 3 of the Baltics and who treated the Latvian and Estonian to the most heavily severe serfdom conditions anywhere in Europe, for centuries.

    Baltics German presence was essential to the Western money and companies that went into proebaltiskot states in 1920-40. Western individuals and companies owned nearly everything in preww2 proebaltika.
    So Stalinist expulsion of Germans absolutely essential to development of (sick) Latvian, Lithuanian, slow Estonian national identities and "culture" that exists today. You cannot separate these 2 events of Germans expelled and Soviets come in, you ungrateful swine. Or the huge addition of land given to Litva by Stalin.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @sudden death

    Or the huge addition of land given to Litva by Stalin.

    In that Stalin was 100% wrong. Poles would agree.

  535. @Sher Singh
    @Hyperborean


    At least Sher Singh is honest about how he sees Canadians as suckers.
     
    I think they're cucks & hypocritical since they don't follow their 'human rights law'.
    It's an evolving conversation, and one that Sikhs need to push for the benefit of all.

    In this context religious minorities communicate their needs and goals to the larger Canadian society, in the process pushing the scope and advancing the parameters of human rights for all Canadians. This challenges the false narrative that Canada is a religiously neutral nation without its mainstream society’s own fervently held beliefs and practices, and of religious minorities as an inherently threatening force to these inviolable values
     
    You're just seeing me interact with highly recalcitrant nationalist types.

    Equality before the law (assimilation) was just the final phase of Christianizing Europe.
    If we've moved beyond Christianity to enlightenment values & multicultural tolerance -
    then it's necessary to dismantle the last vestiges of that Christian system & its defenders.

    This has global implications as the west sets standards for other societies such as India & China.
    ---

    https://twitter.com/jvalaaa/status/1702156383020626409

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Hyperborean

    https://alphaprogression.com/en

    Fk wordceling.

    https://akarlin.com/

    Bunch of new Karlin posts will de-construct soonish.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    You could or should do a review of AK's review of Barbie. Bonus karma points if you can think of more than one word. : )

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Sher Singh

  536. @Sher Singh
    @Sher Singh

    https://alphaprogression.com/en

    Fk wordceling.

    https://akarlin.com/

    Bunch of new Karlin posts will de-construct soonish.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    You could or should do a review of AK’s review of Barbie. Bonus karma points if you can think of more than one word. : )

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1100267815883264070/1191976878425255936/9a533869382168a55b0175628e36e869.mp4

    , @Sher Singh
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Review done.

    Too gay, did not finish.

    Re the Populist book - here's the main point.
    Rest was filler - although it's a short book & like a 30m read??

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1150620697639530561/1192367106868662364/image.png?ex=65a8d167&is=65965c67&hm=8475d93765dea13fc6028de1f3db3f4e08005163805dd89d4748aea77047a76e&

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1150620697639530561/1192367360544362506/image.png?ex=65a8d1a3&is=65965ca3&hm=2d03474ea4fb3a44e65906e4f34a72763f2cd597e9ad6d02db0954fdc1394afd&

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  537. @Gerard1234
    @sudden death

    These were not "occupants" you dipshit, but liberators who rebuilt the country and invested huge amounts of money, and of course the intellectual capital of Russians was the most important thing in helping Baltics earthworms.

    Soviet people coming in was accompanied by Baltics Germans moving out. The Germans- the traditional slave/earthworm owners of all 3 of the Baltics and who treated the Latvian and Estonian to the most heavily severe serfdom conditions anywhere in Europe, for centuries.

    Baltics German presence was essential to the Western money and companies that went into proebaltiskot states in 1920-40. Western individuals and companies owned nearly everything in preww2 proebaltika.
    So Stalinist expulsion of Germans absolutely essential to development of (sick) Latvian, Lithuanian, slow Estonian national identities and "culture" that exists today. You cannot separate these 2 events of Germans expelled and Soviets come in, you ungrateful swine. Or the huge addition of land given to Litva by Stalin.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @sudden death

    Soviet people coming in was accompanied by Baltics Germans moving out

    There were 60k Germans overall in Latvia, which had the biggest amount of them in all Baltics, according to 1935 census which accounted for grand total 3,2% of all population, while ethnic Latvians had roughly nearly 1,5 million then.

    There were roughly 1,1 million non-ethnic Latvians in 1989, while ethnic Latvians had even fewer numbers compared with previous independent years, roughly just 1,4 million, so imho they would more than gladly exchange keeping those Baltic Germans into not getting additional million of Soviet sent colonists during 50 years of occupation.

    Western individuals and companies owned nearly everything

    Let’s for a moment assume those Sovok hallucinations are truthful – then thank God for this as local people were not dying in millions from hunger like in Soviet owned neighbouring USSR paradise at the time, lol

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @sudden death

    Baltics Germans with single digit percentage point population in 19th century were dominant slave/landowners then. Soviets could have further helped replace all the Jews the Latvians helped wipe out in WW2.

    Those 2 ethnic groups still there, then in this day instead of the Baltics with their 7th century mentality and 5th century culture but 21st century English language skills existing now..... we get Baltics people with 7th century mentality, 17th century Roma-type culture..... but 21st century German language skills.

  538. S says:
    @LatW
    @German_reader


    but it was very bad style from me to descend to the level of such insults.
     
    It's not about style (and you are typically measured, at least towards non-EEs), it's characteristic of your overall condescending attitude - you have a strange kind of a very negative animus towards me. I admit that a lot of what I've posted over the years has been pure emotional trolling (this is simply because I have to lead a rather structured life with obligations and have no other emotional outlet, and, yes, I understand it's unseemly) but not even all of it, and some of what I posted was intentionally provocative - mostly for entertainment purposes, to deal with boredom. Also, I had to address some of the blatant misrepresentations here and attacks on my own nation and its history.

    However, I know several Eastern Euro languages, not just Russian - this is something that practically none of you here do. I have real life sources and my background has allowed me to see things you haven't seen.

    I knew that some anti-Russia posts would illicit a negative reaction. However, what did you guys expect - to not have the position of Russia's neighbors represented on a Russian reaction forum?

    I have already taken a ton of hostility and rudeness on this forum - some of it slightly provoked maybe, but most of it - completely undeserved and a lot of it based on bigotry. Just because people do not want to hear about reality - all aspects of it. They don't like their comfortable little truths to be challenged.


    like her enthusiasm for sending those “Free Russians” over the border
     
    That's just because I get excited by such wild paramilitary types - sorry, it's a personal weakness that I will admit. I recognize that it is questionable and somewhat unethical to support some of their activity - but then again, it is also unethical how the Putin regime has treated some of them prior (not to mention the invasion). They are on their own land and they have a right to fight for their freedom. Свободу России!

    As to Toly's latest outburst of graphomania - yes, it is hilarious and funny, but I'm really puzzled as to how you guys did not notice his orientation from the get go (granted, he did hide it well) - I was aware of it years ago. It's just the most elaborate and hilarious coming out I've ever seen.

    As to the Dark Elves - a translator friend of mine who knows Tolkien very well, once told me that some of the elves were taken captive either by orcs or by some dark forces and bred with them so this is how the Dark Elves came into this world - I'm not sure if he just made that up or if it's somewhere in the books (I don't recall such a thing, but then I didn't scour through them the way he did), but Morgul means sorcery in Sindarin, and it is somehow connected to the Nazgul. So these Dark Elves are somehow connected to this. That's how he explained it, but he may have made it up (he had created his own "mythical persona" based on that).

    To Mr Hack: rest assured I will not be abandoning our cause, our common freedom, but will find a more productive way to fight for it (without toxicity and insults).

    Enjoy your eco chamber, gentlemen.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @songbird, @S, @Derer, @German_reader

    Good luck, LatW.

    I don’t think I’m the only one here who hopes you come back on occasion to visit the site. I’ve always had some fondness towards the Baltic peoples and their place in Europe as they are remindful in certain ways of the Celtics of Scotland, Ireland, and Wales…ie they are of ‘The Undiscovered Country’. 🙂

  539. @Hyperborean
    Mr. Hack, LatW, AP on one side. Mikhail, AnonfromTN, Gerard on the other. Aside from Beckow is there anyone who actually lives in Eastern Europe right now, or are you all diasporoids?

    At least Sher Singh is honest about how he sees Canadians as suckers.

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN, @Sher Singh, @Gerard1234, @sudden death

    1.I am living in Eastern Europe in addition to Beckow. Very far into Eastern Europe (Kazan) . Read before you write.
    Some of the Poles who come here might be living in Poland.
    Mr Hack is the only actual “Ukrainian” heritage diaspora on here.

    2. The premise of your question is disrespectful, even silly because you are grouping all of those Diaspora into one group when you shouldn’t.

    Tsarist emigree diaspora (like Mikhail) and Soviet post-1991 diaspora have great knowledge and perspective – in ZERO way are they diminished or discredited by being diaspora. They are secure in position from being tangibly connected to great Russian culture and history, present and future.

    Those from loser Poland, Baltics or other states are though massively diminished and discredited by being diaspora. They are the ones squealing about some fake historical or upcoming “genocide”. They are the ones insecure in their nonexistent or “lost” culture…or culture they are trying to develop. They are of countries with zero history, or “destroyed” or “lost” history they are trying to find or invent.
    All that make the fact they aren’t living in Poland /Baltics/other quite embarrassing. A Russian diaspora does not have to justify anything at all – he left as the country changed against him and family. Ukronazi/Nazi Baltics who fled to the same West who had helped defeat their German Nazi friends in 1945 or A Baltic who left as the country became” independent” in 1991 and is a dickhead calling for action against Russia – of course are in an embarrassing position to defend.

    Russian language blogosphere is huge and international. So all Russians in Russia or those in diaspora are doing good favour to every one with their presence on English language blog.

    Also, though most were diaspora, several were also local Russians who commented in English on Karlins blog but had huge arguments with him and were either banned or left over a few years. Russian tsarists,Soviets and libtards always have very aggressive and angry debates – zero surprise Karlin as the host of the blog would be in crossfire from all sides. Impossible not to be.

    All that makes the lack, with the exception of me, of local Russians on here a completely irrelevant and misleading point.

    Lithuania, Estonian and Latvian computer users all have perfect English skills – it’s quite disgraceful (and revealing) they can’t find a local Baltic I.e living there, to support their position on this blog.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234


    1.I am living in Eastern Europe in addition to Beckow. Very far into Eastern Europe (Kazan) . Read before you write.
     
    You were caught by our former host.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-158/#comment-4794762

    “reminding people that you consistently post from somewhere in NW England (a region of 7 million people, so hardly a dox), in the context of your claimed authority as a denizen of Kazan”

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    You regularly give yourself away, in your comments about English soccer and recently about the problem of invasive grey squirrels replacing red ones (a particular problem in northern England).

    You must have been a real loser in Russia, to choose to move to such a bad and unpleasant part of England. A desperate move.

    I've probably been in Russia more than you have, in the past 25 years. Perhaps more than any of the pro-Russians posting here. Lived there in the early 2000s, since then visiting every other year (sometimes every year) for 2 weeks or so, typically for New Years. Eventually AnoninTN will catch up though with his annual 3 week visits, I was last there in 2019 and won't go again until the war ends (cancelled my planned April 2022 trip -sad).
  540. Porky!

    https://www.rt.com/russia/590039-poroshenko-nazi-museum-restoration/

    No small wonder why he got the svido vote over the little dwarf in 2019. That the latter won decisively shows that not everyone in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine is a svido. There’s hope down the line. Following WW II, Japan and Germany transformed themselves in part out of seeing the past wrongs.

  541. @Hyperborean
    Mr. Hack, LatW, AP on one side. Mikhail, AnonfromTN, Gerard on the other. Aside from Beckow is there anyone who actually lives in Eastern Europe right now, or are you all diasporoids?

    At least Sher Singh is honest about how he sees Canadians as suckers.

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN, @Sher Singh, @Gerard1234, @sudden death

    Hey, I’m perfectly living in EE, but at least Romanians would disagree, cause they seem to think I’m already living in Northern Europe, lol

  542. @sudden death
    @Gerard1234


    Soviet people coming in was accompanied by Baltics Germans moving out
     
    There were 60k Germans overall in Latvia, which had the biggest amount of them in all Baltics, according to 1935 census which accounted for grand total 3,2% of all population, while ethnic Latvians had roughly nearly 1,5 million then.

    There were roughly 1,1 million non-ethnic Latvians in 1989, while ethnic Latvians had even fewer numbers compared with previous independent years, roughly just 1,4 million, so imho they would more than gladly exchange keeping those Baltic Germans into not getting additional million of Soviet sent colonists during 50 years of occupation.


    Western individuals and companies owned nearly everything
     
    Let's for a moment assume those Sovok hallucinations are truthful - then thank God for this as local people were not dying in millions from hunger like in Soviet owned neighbouring USSR paradise at the time, lol

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Baltics Germans with single digit percentage point population in 19th century were dominant slave/landowners then. Soviets could have further helped replace all the Jews the Latvians helped wipe out in WW2.

    Those 2 ethnic groups still there, then in this day instead of the Baltics with their 7th century mentality and 5th century culture but 21st century English language skills existing now….. we get Baltics people with 7th century mentality, 17th century Roma-type culture….. but 21st century German language skills.

  543. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    You could or should do a review of AK's review of Barbie. Bonus karma points if you can think of more than one word. : )

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Sher Singh

  544. @John Johnson
    @Poupon Marx

    Russians asked who they will vote for:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4t1zpFkuBMY

    You are certain he has 85% support?

    Do you believe other figures from Russia like their proclaimed inflation rate?

    It seems that some our Putin defenders are needed in Russia. Quite a few Russians seem to think Putin is a dictator and the election is fake.

    Replies: @Derer, @Mr. Hack

    Most depressing for me is to see that so many younger folks seem to be “for Putin”. The older ones seem to be more cynical as regards to Putler’s abilities to run things. Still, 43% for Putin in a country where the political opposition is monitored and controlled so thoroughly seems low to me, but certainly high enough for manipulators to make it work..

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    Also, it looks to me like this poll was taken within a city, probably Moscow. If a similar one were to be taken somewhere more rural (like in most of Russia) I'm sure that the results would be even more slanted against Putler.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Derer

    , @John Johnson
    @Mr. Hack

    Most depressing for me is to see that so many younger folks seem to be “for Putin”. The older ones seem to be more cynical as regards to Putler’s abilities to run things. Still, 43% for Putin in a country where the political opposition is monitored and controlled so thoroughly seems low to me, but certainly high enough for manipulators to make it work..

    I think 40% is reasonable given that critical thinking and dissent are not allowed the media.

    When Russians complain about the war it is often in relation to high prices and it not being resolved. I don't doubt that a majority would like to see Russia triumph even if it meant additional losses on both sides. It's become a point of national pride for them. I think few oppose the war in relation to how it affects Ukraine. They want the war to end but with some type of face saving armistice.

  545. @Sher Singh
    @Hyperborean


    At least Sher Singh is honest about how he sees Canadians as suckers.
     
    I think they're cucks & hypocritical since they don't follow their 'human rights law'.
    It's an evolving conversation, and one that Sikhs need to push for the benefit of all.

    In this context religious minorities communicate their needs and goals to the larger Canadian society, in the process pushing the scope and advancing the parameters of human rights for all Canadians. This challenges the false narrative that Canada is a religiously neutral nation without its mainstream society’s own fervently held beliefs and practices, and of religious minorities as an inherently threatening force to these inviolable values
     
    You're just seeing me interact with highly recalcitrant nationalist types.

    Equality before the law (assimilation) was just the final phase of Christianizing Europe.
    If we've moved beyond Christianity to enlightenment values & multicultural tolerance -
    then it's necessary to dismantle the last vestiges of that Christian system & its defenders.

    This has global implications as the west sets standards for other societies such as India & China.
    ---

    https://twitter.com/jvalaaa/status/1702156383020626409

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Hyperborean

    I think they’re cucks & hypocritical since they don’t follow their ‘human rights law’.
    It’s an evolving conversation, and one that Sikhs need to push for the benefit of all.

    In which case an honest liberal would just reply, you have a human right to be liberated from ignorance.

    You’re just seeing me interact with highly recalcitrant nationalist types.

    Equality before the law (assimilation) was just the final phase of Christianizing Europe.
    If we’ve moved beyond Christianity to enlightenment values & multicultural tolerance –
    then it’s necessary to dismantle the last vestiges of that Christian system & its defenders.

    This has global implications as the west sets standards for other societies such as India & China.

    I realise this is just more of your attempt to stick everything you don’t like to Christianity, but instead of posting Sikh scripture or whatever it is you post, maybe learn some intellectual history.

    Il faut tout refuser aux Juifs comme nation et accorder tout aux Juifs comme individus.

    Enlightenment values means religious minorities are granted rights based on them at least pretending to care about society as a whole. If Canada was a historical Christian state you’d either be told to convert or pack your suitcase.

    Also, you’re a small minority in both India and Canada, is denouncing equality before the law seriously the hill you want to die on? So you can what? Publicly brandish swords or say women suck or whatever?

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Hyperborean

    There's probably some tension between the Anglo multi-cultural (and now post-colonial) version of human rights and 'Enlightenment values' and the post-1789 continental Enlightenment tradition.

    Within the latter you could grant members of religious minorities the rights of citizens, with the religious stuff maybe covered by some right to a private life. But you couldn't grant any special civic rights on the basis of a person belonging to a minority religious community.

    I think you see this conflict in France at the moment where Anglo multi-cultural ideas are being imported by progressives, and the Republican response is that this is a type of communitarianism that is not compatible with the Republic's basic values.

    Replies: @Hyperborean

    , @Sher Singh
    @Hyperborean

    Yes.

  546. @Hyperborean
    @Sher Singh


    I think they’re cucks & hypocritical since they don’t follow their ‘human rights law’.
    It’s an evolving conversation, and one that Sikhs need to push for the benefit of all.

     

    In which case an honest liberal would just reply, you have a human right to be liberated from ignorance.

    You’re just seeing me interact with highly recalcitrant nationalist types.

    Equality before the law (assimilation) was just the final phase of Christianizing Europe.
    If we’ve moved beyond Christianity to enlightenment values & multicultural tolerance –
    then it’s necessary to dismantle the last vestiges of that Christian system & its defenders.

    This has global implications as the west sets standards for other societies such as India & China.
     
    I realise this is just more of your attempt to stick everything you don't like to Christianity, but instead of posting Sikh scripture or whatever it is you post, maybe learn some intellectual history.

    Il faut tout refuser aux Juifs comme nation et accorder tout aux Juifs comme individus.

    Enlightenment values means religious minorities are granted rights based on them at least pretending to care about society as a whole. If Canada was a historical Christian state you'd either be told to convert or pack your suitcase.

    Also, you're a small minority in both India and Canada, is denouncing equality before the law seriously the hill you want to die on? So you can what? Publicly brandish swords or say women suck or whatever?

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Sher Singh

    There’s probably some tension between the Anglo multi-cultural (and now post-colonial) version of human rights and ‘Enlightenment values’ and the post-1789 continental Enlightenment tradition.

    Within the latter you could grant members of religious minorities the rights of citizens, with the religious stuff maybe covered by some right to a private life. But you couldn’t grant any special civic rights on the basis of a person belonging to a minority religious community.

    I think you see this conflict in France at the moment where Anglo multi-cultural ideas are being imported by progressives, and the Republican response is that this is a type of communitarianism that is not compatible with the Republic’s basic values.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    @Coconuts


    There’s probably some tension between the Anglo multi-cultural (and now post-colonial) version of human rights and ‘Enlightenment values’ and the post-1789 continental Enlightenment tradition.
     
    Of course English-speaking liberalism has historically been different from continental liberalism, but even what used to be common foundations seem to be questioned a lot.

    Maybe it depends on the circles I'm familiar with, but while there are some sincere liberals in the continental sense, I think most of the time contemporary English-speaking liberals and leftists cherish more voices attacking
    the Enlightenment from the left.

    Ideas like hierarchical stages of civilisation and ranking of societies/cultures/races, neutrality of the public sphere, equal formal status of citizens, cultural assimilation (except in the ideological sense), continual economic growth, objective and final truth, etc. are held, if at all, pretty half-heartedly.

    There is this quote by Walter Benjamin that I think sums up the contemporary worldview of English-speaking liberalism rather well:


    There is no document of civilization which is not at the same time a document of barbarism. And just as such a document is not free of barbarism, barbarism taints also the manner in which it was transmitted from one owner to another.
     

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  547. @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    Most depressing for me is to see that so many younger folks seem to be "for Putin". The older ones seem to be more cynical as regards to Putler's abilities to run things. Still, 43% for Putin in a country where the political opposition is monitored and controlled so thoroughly seems low to me, but certainly high enough for manipulators to make it work..

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @John Johnson

    Also, it looks to me like this poll was taken within a city, probably Moscow. If a similar one were to be taken somewhere more rural (like in most of Russia) I’m sure that the results would be even more slanted against Putler.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. Hack

    Also, it looks to me like this poll was taken within a city, probably Moscow. If a similar one were to be taken somewhere more rural (like in most of Russia) I’m sure that the results would be even more slanted against Putler.

    That seems to be the case.

    Dictators normally have more support in rural areas even if their men are more likely to be sent to the front. This is how Franco built his army. He had all these rural young men that worked basic jobs and had zero interest in the left. It annoyed the leftists to no end for them to be fighting laborers and farm boys.

    What shocked me in the 1420 interviews were the rural Babushkas. They seem to be the most pro-war. They certainly view it as the responsibility of 18 year old men to go die for Putin and not ask questions.

    Something very disturbing about old grannies that would help round up men for the killing machine.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Derer
    @Mr. Hack

    What is your point? You are peeing against the wind.

  548. An example of Polish immaturity and a Russian class act unlike the prevailing Western mass media cherry picks and omissions:

    https://www.rt.com/news/590064-polish-chess-grandmaster-refuses-handshake/

    The article and comments section below it reveals how Thomas Bach is a NATO/EU flack.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
  549. @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    Russian contribution to western Christmas is Troika by Prokofiev, Carol of the bells ( yes that is Russian not ukrop) and of course the Nutcracker suite. In addition other Russian ballet part of the Christmas concert season also. That's a large contribution

    Polish contribution to western Christmas is of course..... f**k all. Nothing. Zero. Totally useless.

    Closest thing to a Polish contribution to Christmas is the actress in Irony of Fate (which of course is New Year)

    Western Christmas (and its parts that were adopted into Russian New Year/Christmas) is mostly German and some British Christmas objects ( yelka, baubles, cracker etc) , traditional Christmas music from primarily German, French, English compositions. German Christmas markets are very pleasant and appear to have been adopted over the world. Of course their Saint Nicholas vision is American creation and big originator of many facets to modern Western and all the world Christmas. Then there is (((American))) Christmas popular music.
    Ice rinks don't appear to be that popular in Europe for this period as for Russia.
    Maybe ice-skating in Netherlands.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Russian contribution to western Christmas is…Carol of the bells ( yes that is Russian not ukrop)

    C’mon Geraldina, your hatred of all things Ukrainian is only surpassed by your stupidity here. Here’s an interesting expose that explains how the Ukrainian Leontovich created this song based on a Ukrainian folk song and then how a popular Ukrainian choir under the direction of the Ukrainian Koshyts brought the piece to the world’s attention in European and American tours in the 1920’s:

    https://ukraine.ua/carol-of-the-bells/
    A fantastic photo montage accompanies the script.

    https://compote.slate.com/images/2dfcf12c-d412-40b1-833b-25fb7f80c736.jpeg?crop=1137%2C758%2Cx0%2Cy0&width=840
    The Ukrainian National Chorus in Buenos Aires in 1923.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack

    Mr Hack my good friend...... you are one exceptional, brilliant, crazy Russian! You are a true patriot, showing me a beautiful photo with the great Russian Imperial double-headed Eagle all across the Bell Tower! WTF were you thinking?

    Saint Sophia's cathedral is of course 1 billion percent Russian, zero percent "Ukrainian" and Kiev is a totally Russian city.

    As for Leontovich/Carol of the Bells - Malorossiya=Russia. Kiev where he was trained and educated and song composed.... is total Russian city. Petliurite scum financed with German/Austrian money after they lost repeatedly and disgraced themselves post 1917, promoted culture in North America that they stole from the Russian world and had zero connection to (the years these music groups and organisations formed is no coincidence, very insidious)
    There is nothing to suggest the song was derivative of anything sang over the centuries in Galicia.

    In the 1923 foto in Argentina that you linked Hack, shows the choir wearing vishivankas closer in appearance to Polish and Moldovan national dresses (like a mixture) , than most of the differing styles across 404.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  550. @Coconuts
    @Hyperborean

    There's probably some tension between the Anglo multi-cultural (and now post-colonial) version of human rights and 'Enlightenment values' and the post-1789 continental Enlightenment tradition.

    Within the latter you could grant members of religious minorities the rights of citizens, with the religious stuff maybe covered by some right to a private life. But you couldn't grant any special civic rights on the basis of a person belonging to a minority religious community.

    I think you see this conflict in France at the moment where Anglo multi-cultural ideas are being imported by progressives, and the Republican response is that this is a type of communitarianism that is not compatible with the Republic's basic values.

    Replies: @Hyperborean

    There’s probably some tension between the Anglo multi-cultural (and now post-colonial) version of human rights and ‘Enlightenment values’ and the post-1789 continental Enlightenment tradition.

    Of course English-speaking liberalism has historically been different from continental liberalism, but even what used to be common foundations seem to be questioned a lot.

    Maybe it depends on the circles I’m familiar with, but while there are some sincere liberals in the continental sense, I think most of the time contemporary English-speaking liberals and leftists cherish more voices attacking
    the Enlightenment from the left.

    Ideas like hierarchical stages of civilisation and ranking of societies/cultures/races, neutrality of the public sphere, equal formal status of citizens, cultural assimilation (except in the ideological sense), continual economic growth, objective and final truth, etc. are held, if at all, pretty half-heartedly.

    There is this quote by Walter Benjamin that I think sums up the contemporary worldview of English-speaking liberalism rather well:

    There is no document of civilization which is not at the same time a document of barbarism. And just as such a document is not free of barbarism, barbarism taints also the manner in which it was transmitted from one owner to another.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Hyperborean


    Enlightenment values means religious minorities are granted rights based on them at least pretending to care about society as a whole. If Canada was a historical Christian state you’d either be told to convert or pack your suitcase.
     
    If.

    Also, you’re a small minority in both India and Canada, is denouncing equality before the law seriously the hill you want to die on? So you can what? Publicly brandish swords or say women suck or whatever?
     
    The US military is 0.3% of the population.

    Go cry your cuck tears elsewhere.
    I literally don't give a fuck.

    Your weird assimilationist tendencies basically translate to -

    YOUR DIFFERENT IDENTITY IMPEDES YOU FUCKING MY WOMEN MON AMI
    DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?! WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?!


    There’s probably some tension between the Anglo multi-cultural (and now post-colonial) version of human rights and ‘Enlightenment values’ and the post-1789 continental Enlightenment tradition.
     
    Cuck shit like 'internalize public opinion' or 'public morals' from JS Mill & Rosseau.
    None of them carried weapons, who cares what they thought?

    Ideas like hierarchical stages of civilisation and ranking of societies/cultures/races, neutrality of the public sphere, equal formal status of citizens, cultural assimilation (except in the ideological sense), continual economic growth, objective and final truth, etc. are held, if at all, pretty half-heartedly.
     
    Hierarchal stages of civilization/culture impede your Niggadry (worship of blacks).
    The public sphere is a construct of the Republic.

    You want men & women disarmed because as a liberal, you're a sexual predator.

    Those ideas, especially objective and final truth aren't held by anyone under 40.
    ===

    TLDR

    You have a weird Republic cult which you sacrifice virgins (feminism) to.
    An outgrowth of the socio-demographic conquest of Europe by Berbers & Levantines
    (Carthage and Israel).

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Hyperborean

  551. First the assassination of Hamas big wig Saleh al-Arouri in Lebanon, now a mass bombing killing 73 so far with 171 wounded at a mass memorial at Soleimani’s cemetery.

    Is it actually habbening, or are the Iranians going to cuck and this will be just another victory for nothing-ever-happens-cels?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Hyperborean


    First the assassination of Hamas big wig Saleh al-Arouri in Lebanon, now a mass bombing killing 73 so far with 171 wounded at a mass memorial at Soleimani’s cemetery.
     
    Correction: the terrorist act in Iran killed more than 200 people.

    Israel keeps convincing its neighbors that the only path to security is the annihilation of this terrorist entity. It probably won’t happen before the empire weakens more and will be physically unable to provide material support to Israeli criminals.

    Similarly, current Ukrainian regime successfully convinced the majority of Russians that the only viable course of action is its annihilation. All those talking about resolving the crisis by negotiations are welcome to stuff their ideas right up theirs.

    However, that’s where the similarities end. Ukraine will be significantly reduced in size and rump Ukraine will be reformatted, but residents who manage to survive clown’s regime (or the same regime with clown replaced by someone else by the masters), with the exception of those who committed crimes against Donbass or Russian residents (numerous murders of civilians during Ukie occupation of Mariupol and recent attack on Belgorod are examples of these crimes), will remain alive and actually live better than under current Kiev puppets. In contrast, considering who are Israel’s neighbors, it is very likely that most of the population of Israel will be exterminated. Some Jews in Israel, including many ultra-Orthodox Jews, understand that and actively protest against Israel’s crimes in Gaza and elsewhere. The regime violently suppresses these protests. The fact that criminal activities of Israeli government are supported by the majority of Israel population further diminishes their chances of survival when the time for the reckoning comes.

    Replies: @Hyperborean, @A123

    , @ShortOnTime
    @Hyperborean

    Fwiw, I may have to reassess my previous forecast of Israel easily finishing off Gaza in due time.

    The fact that it seems Israel is preparing to invade Lebanon (South Lebanon and Beirut presumably) even before Gaza has been completely finished, changes some of the previously held assumptions that Israel would take its time with Gaza while not escalating the war elsewhere.

    On the one hand, the more open terrain of hills and valleys in South Lebanon would make it easier for Israel to invade Lebanon than Gaza. Then again, Hezbollah has a lot more formidable military capabilities than Hamas such as a presumably significant reserve of precision guided munitions (PGM) rockets and heavy artillery. The concept of a prolonged occupation (even 50 years?) of Southern Lebanon by Israel doesn't seem to be strategically sound as a lengthy occupation not only by Israel, but even allied Christian militias, is what already failed in South Lebanon from the 1980's to early 2000's.

    It feels like Israel is behaving like a reckless gambler that doesn't know when to call it a night at the casino and cash in their gains instead of making ever more brazen and reckless gambits which could possibly cause them to crash and burn someday (probably later rather than sooner).

    Replies: @A123

  552. @Hyperborean
    @Sher Singh


    I think they’re cucks & hypocritical since they don’t follow their ‘human rights law’.
    It’s an evolving conversation, and one that Sikhs need to push for the benefit of all.

     

    In which case an honest liberal would just reply, you have a human right to be liberated from ignorance.

    You’re just seeing me interact with highly recalcitrant nationalist types.

    Equality before the law (assimilation) was just the final phase of Christianizing Europe.
    If we’ve moved beyond Christianity to enlightenment values & multicultural tolerance –
    then it’s necessary to dismantle the last vestiges of that Christian system & its defenders.

    This has global implications as the west sets standards for other societies such as India & China.
     
    I realise this is just more of your attempt to stick everything you don't like to Christianity, but instead of posting Sikh scripture or whatever it is you post, maybe learn some intellectual history.

    Il faut tout refuser aux Juifs comme nation et accorder tout aux Juifs comme individus.

    Enlightenment values means religious minorities are granted rights based on them at least pretending to care about society as a whole. If Canada was a historical Christian state you'd either be told to convert or pack your suitcase.

    Also, you're a small minority in both India and Canada, is denouncing equality before the law seriously the hill you want to die on? So you can what? Publicly brandish swords or say women suck or whatever?

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Sher Singh

    Yes.

  553. Sher Singh says:
    @Hyperborean
    @Coconuts


    There’s probably some tension between the Anglo multi-cultural (and now post-colonial) version of human rights and ‘Enlightenment values’ and the post-1789 continental Enlightenment tradition.
     
    Of course English-speaking liberalism has historically been different from continental liberalism, but even what used to be common foundations seem to be questioned a lot.

    Maybe it depends on the circles I'm familiar with, but while there are some sincere liberals in the continental sense, I think most of the time contemporary English-speaking liberals and leftists cherish more voices attacking
    the Enlightenment from the left.

    Ideas like hierarchical stages of civilisation and ranking of societies/cultures/races, neutrality of the public sphere, equal formal status of citizens, cultural assimilation (except in the ideological sense), continual economic growth, objective and final truth, etc. are held, if at all, pretty half-heartedly.

    There is this quote by Walter Benjamin that I think sums up the contemporary worldview of English-speaking liberalism rather well:


    There is no document of civilization which is not at the same time a document of barbarism. And just as such a document is not free of barbarism, barbarism taints also the manner in which it was transmitted from one owner to another.
     

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Enlightenment values means religious minorities are granted rights based on them at least pretending to care about society as a whole. If Canada was a historical Christian state you’d either be told to convert or pack your suitcase.

    If.

    Also, you’re a small minority in both India and Canada, is denouncing equality before the law seriously the hill you want to die on? So you can what? Publicly brandish swords or say women suck or whatever?

    The US military is 0.3% of the population.

    Go cry your cuck tears elsewhere.
    I literally don’t give a fuck.

    Your weird assimilationist tendencies basically translate to –

    YOUR DIFFERENT IDENTITY IMPEDES YOU FUCKING MY WOMEN MON AMI
    DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?! WHY DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?!

    There’s probably some tension between the Anglo multi-cultural (and now post-colonial) version of human rights and ‘Enlightenment values’ and the post-1789 continental Enlightenment tradition.

    Cuck shit like ‘internalize public opinion’ or ‘public morals’ from JS Mill & Rosseau.
    None of them carried weapons, who cares what they thought?

    Ideas like hierarchical stages of civilisation and ranking of societies/cultures/races, neutrality of the public sphere, equal formal status of citizens, cultural assimilation (except in the ideological sense), continual economic growth, objective and final truth, etc. are held, if at all, pretty half-heartedly.

    Hierarchal stages of civilization/culture impede your Niggadry (worship of blacks).
    The public sphere is a construct of the Republic.

    You want men & women disarmed because as a liberal, you’re a sexual predator.

    Those ideas, especially objective and final truth aren’t held by anyone under 40.
    ===

    TLDR

    You have a weird Republic cult which you sacrifice virgins (feminism) to.
    An outgrowth of the socio-demographic conquest of Europe by Berbers & Levantines
    (Carthage and Israel).

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    @Sher Singh


    Go cry your cuck tears elsewhere.
    I literally don’t give a fuck.

    Your weird assimilationist tendencies basically translate to –

    YOUR DIFFERENT IDENTITY IMPEDES YOU FUCKING MY WOMEN MON AMI
    DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?! WHY DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?!

     

    Sabrina Singh, Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary married to Mike Smith.


    https://hnbgu.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/EXVvwUgUEAAYcyb.jpg


    While you are ranting about weapons and "Niggadry" on an irrelevant schizo website, your race-mixing Democratic female compatriot over in the US is proudly and publicly defending the right to bomb Arabs as press secretary for the Pentagon.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  554. @Sher Singh
    @Hyperborean


    Enlightenment values means religious minorities are granted rights based on them at least pretending to care about society as a whole. If Canada was a historical Christian state you’d either be told to convert or pack your suitcase.
     
    If.

    Also, you’re a small minority in both India and Canada, is denouncing equality before the law seriously the hill you want to die on? So you can what? Publicly brandish swords or say women suck or whatever?
     
    The US military is 0.3% of the population.

    Go cry your cuck tears elsewhere.
    I literally don't give a fuck.

    Your weird assimilationist tendencies basically translate to -

    YOUR DIFFERENT IDENTITY IMPEDES YOU FUCKING MY WOMEN MON AMI
    DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?! WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?!


    There’s probably some tension between the Anglo multi-cultural (and now post-colonial) version of human rights and ‘Enlightenment values’ and the post-1789 continental Enlightenment tradition.
     
    Cuck shit like 'internalize public opinion' or 'public morals' from JS Mill & Rosseau.
    None of them carried weapons, who cares what they thought?

    Ideas like hierarchical stages of civilisation and ranking of societies/cultures/races, neutrality of the public sphere, equal formal status of citizens, cultural assimilation (except in the ideological sense), continual economic growth, objective and final truth, etc. are held, if at all, pretty half-heartedly.
     
    Hierarchal stages of civilization/culture impede your Niggadry (worship of blacks).
    The public sphere is a construct of the Republic.

    You want men & women disarmed because as a liberal, you're a sexual predator.

    Those ideas, especially objective and final truth aren't held by anyone under 40.
    ===

    TLDR

    You have a weird Republic cult which you sacrifice virgins (feminism) to.
    An outgrowth of the socio-demographic conquest of Europe by Berbers & Levantines
    (Carthage and Israel).

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Hyperborean

    Go cry your cuck tears elsewhere.
    I literally don’t give a fuck.

    Your weird assimilationist tendencies basically translate to –

    YOUR DIFFERENT IDENTITY IMPEDES YOU FUCKING MY WOMEN MON AMI
    DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?! WHY DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?!

    Sabrina Singh, Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary married to Mike Smith.

    While you are ranting about weapons and “Niggadry” on an irrelevant schizo website, your race-mixing Democratic female compatriot over in the US is proudly and publicly defending the right to bomb Arabs as press secretary for the Pentagon.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Hyperborean

    I'm a Jatt that's some merchant type.
    US diaspora is tiny - the outmarraige rate drops with # growth.

    I support Israel.
    Your weird attempts at humiliation, while espousing 'formal equality' are duly noted.

    Mom ain't raise no fool.

    Replies: @Hyperborean

  555. @Hyperborean
    First the assassination of Hamas big wig Saleh al-Arouri in Lebanon, now a mass bombing killing 73 so far with 171 wounded at a mass memorial at Soleimani's cemetery.

    Is it actually habbening, or are the Iranians going to cuck and this will be just another victory for nothing-ever-happens-cels?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @ShortOnTime

    First the assassination of Hamas big wig Saleh al-Arouri in Lebanon, now a mass bombing killing 73 so far with 171 wounded at a mass memorial at Soleimani’s cemetery.

    Correction: the terrorist act in Iran killed more than 200 people.

    Israel keeps convincing its neighbors that the only path to security is the annihilation of this terrorist entity. It probably won’t happen before the empire weakens more and will be physically unable to provide material support to Israeli criminals.

    Similarly, current Ukrainian regime successfully convinced the majority of Russians that the only viable course of action is its annihilation. All those talking about resolving the crisis by negotiations are welcome to stuff their ideas right up theirs.

    However, that’s where the similarities end. Ukraine will be significantly reduced in size and rump Ukraine will be reformatted, but residents who manage to survive clown’s regime (or the same regime with clown replaced by someone else by the masters), with the exception of those who committed crimes against Donbass or Russian residents (numerous murders of civilians during Ukie occupation of Mariupol and recent attack on Belgorod are examples of these crimes), will remain alive and actually live better than under current Kiev puppets. In contrast, considering who are Israel’s neighbors, it is very likely that most of the population of Israel will be exterminated. Some Jews in Israel, including many ultra-Orthodox Jews, understand that and actively protest against Israel’s crimes in Gaza and elsewhere. The regime violently suppresses these protests. The fact that criminal activities of Israeli government are supported by the majority of Israel population further diminishes their chances of survival when the time for the reckoning comes.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    @AnonfromTN


    Correction: the terrorist act in Iran killed more than 200 people.
     
    I did say so far. But where is the 200 killed number coming from? The highest I can see now are 103 dead, granted one can easily expect deaths to rise as wounded perish.

    In contrast, considering who are Israel’s neighbors, it is very likely that most of the population of Israel will be exterminated.
     
    Assuming naval and air superiority, otherwise I think most will be evacuated abroad in case of a military collapse, the Jewish lobby plus the number of dual citizens should ensure this. If it genuinely looks like the Israelis are going to all get slaughtered they'll just nuke the region in spite.

    In contrast, considering who are Israel’s neighbors, it is very likely that most of the population of Israel will be exterminated. Some Jews in Israel, including many ultra-Orthodox Jews, understand that and actively protest against Israel’s crimes in Gaza and elsewhere.
     
    Aren't some of these bizarre cultists also involved in illegal settlements in the West Bank? As far I understand it their opposition to the State of Israel isn't out of principled anti-war sentiment, but because they desire a theocratic state.

    Honestly, whatever one's opinion on Israel, considering how the privileges and subsidies they are granted I can't see the ones who live in Israel as anything other than ungrateful traitors.

    Besides as we saw with the music festival on 7th October, being anti-war won't stop any Jew from getting butchered.

    Ukraine will be significantly reduced in size and rump Ukraine will be reformatted, but residents who manage to survive clown’s regime (or the same regime with clown replaced by someone else by the masters), with the exception of those who committed crimes against Donbass or Russian residents (numerous murders of civilians during Ukie occupation of Mariupol and recent attack on Belgorod are examples of these crimes), will remain alive and actually live better than under current Kiev puppets.
     
    If Russia conquers most of the country, a majority will likely decamp to somewhere
    else instead. Excluding all else, the country is going to be ruined and reconstruction is going to be expensive and probably take decades.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @A123
    @AnonfromTN



    bombing killing 73 so far with 171 wounded at a mass memorial at Soleimani’s cemetery.
     
    Correction: the terrorist act in Iran killed more than 200 people.
     
    Sociopath Khamenei would be willing to expand his own people in a false flag operation. It could also be a 100% local response to the tyranny of his theocracy.

    Apparently there were no senior officials there, so it does not fit the pattern for IDF activity.

    Ukraine will be significantly reduced in size and rump Ukraine will be reformatted, but residents who manage to survive clown’s regime (or the same regime with clown replaced by someone else by the masters),
     
    There are definitely similarities in the Pali/Ukie stance. Both are heavily propped up from the outside.

    You are correct that the physical size gives Kiev a chance to survive as a smaller state.

    That parallel does not apply to the Muslim occupation in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza. There never was a Muslim nation in Palestine. The chance of an independent rump state is effectively zero. It has been unilaterally rejected time and again by the PLO, PA, Fatah, and Hamas.

    The closest thing to a Muslim nation in Palestine is Jordan. Perhaps Judea, Samaria, and Gaza residents could obtain Jordanian citizenship. It sounds like an interesting concept, but the details would be difficult.

    In contrast, considering who are Israel’s neighbors, it is very likely that most of the population of Israel will be exterminated.
     
    Non-nuclear powers do not exterminate nuclear ones. If things got that bad the offending neighbor would be flash fried, not Palestinian Jews. If you think otherwise, you are kidding yourself.

    The good news is that it is highly unlikely to go that far. Disaster from Egypt was headed off when el-Sisi quashed the Muslim Terrorist Brotherhood threat. Russia is holding Assad back. That leaves a weak Jordan and an even weaker Lebanon.

    Apparently Nasrallah has been lying about Hezbollah capability. If he could have launched thousands of accurate missiles, he would have done so. He has many inaccurate rockets, but those are unable to beat Iron Dome.

    Some Jews in Israel, including many ultra-Orthodox Jews, understand that and actively protest against Israel’s crimes in Gaza and elsewhere.
     
    Many? That description is extremely dubious. There are a minute handful, wildly over covered by the Fake Stream Media in an attempt to misrepresent the situation.

    The religious parties are in government and support legal Jewish construction in Judea & Samaria. The only "crimes" in Gaza are by Hamas, notably using children as human shields.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  556. @Hyperborean
    @Sher Singh


    Go cry your cuck tears elsewhere.
    I literally don’t give a fuck.

    Your weird assimilationist tendencies basically translate to –

    YOUR DIFFERENT IDENTITY IMPEDES YOU FUCKING MY WOMEN MON AMI
    DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?! WHY DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?!

     

    Sabrina Singh, Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary married to Mike Smith.


    https://hnbgu.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/EXVvwUgUEAAYcyb.jpg


    While you are ranting about weapons and "Niggadry" on an irrelevant schizo website, your race-mixing Democratic female compatriot over in the US is proudly and publicly defending the right to bomb Arabs as press secretary for the Pentagon.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    I’m a Jatt that’s some merchant type.
    US diaspora is tiny – the outmarraige rate drops with # growth.

    I support Israel.
    Your weird attempts at humiliation, while espousing ‘formal equality’ are duly noted.

    Mom ain’t raise no fool.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    @Sher Singh


    I’m a Jatt that’s some merchant type.
     
    If you're supposed to be a merchant, then why the tough guy rhetoric on the internet?

    Your weird attempts at humiliation, while espousing ‘formal equality’ are duly noted.
     
    No weirder than seething about "Niggadry" and posting all caps sentences.
    By the way, I don't support formal equality. I had my way there would be either mass deportations or long-term reeducation camps. But since that is very unlikely, I just think formal equality would be a step up than what we have now.

    Mom ain’t raise no fool.
     
    Why do you hide your comment history? Is it because you can't mass delete messages here? Why this macho bravado? Well, at least you're not as bad here as you were on Karlin's discord server. Pretty incredible how you managed to be worse than the certified schizophrenic who believed he was suffering from demonic possession.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh

  557. @AnonfromTN
    @Hyperborean


    First the assassination of Hamas big wig Saleh al-Arouri in Lebanon, now a mass bombing killing 73 so far with 171 wounded at a mass memorial at Soleimani’s cemetery.
     
    Correction: the terrorist act in Iran killed more than 200 people.

    Israel keeps convincing its neighbors that the only path to security is the annihilation of this terrorist entity. It probably won’t happen before the empire weakens more and will be physically unable to provide material support to Israeli criminals.

    Similarly, current Ukrainian regime successfully convinced the majority of Russians that the only viable course of action is its annihilation. All those talking about resolving the crisis by negotiations are welcome to stuff their ideas right up theirs.

    However, that’s where the similarities end. Ukraine will be significantly reduced in size and rump Ukraine will be reformatted, but residents who manage to survive clown’s regime (or the same regime with clown replaced by someone else by the masters), with the exception of those who committed crimes against Donbass or Russian residents (numerous murders of civilians during Ukie occupation of Mariupol and recent attack on Belgorod are examples of these crimes), will remain alive and actually live better than under current Kiev puppets. In contrast, considering who are Israel’s neighbors, it is very likely that most of the population of Israel will be exterminated. Some Jews in Israel, including many ultra-Orthodox Jews, understand that and actively protest against Israel’s crimes in Gaza and elsewhere. The regime violently suppresses these protests. The fact that criminal activities of Israeli government are supported by the majority of Israel population further diminishes their chances of survival when the time for the reckoning comes.

    Replies: @Hyperborean, @A123

    Correction: the terrorist act in Iran killed more than 200 people.

    I did say so far. But where is the 200 killed number coming from? The highest I can see now are 103 dead, granted one can easily expect deaths to rise as wounded perish.

    In contrast, considering who are Israel’s neighbors, it is very likely that most of the population of Israel will be exterminated.

    Assuming naval and air superiority, otherwise I think most will be evacuated abroad in case of a military collapse, the Jewish lobby plus the number of dual citizens should ensure this. If it genuinely looks like the Israelis are going to all get slaughtered they’ll just nuke the region in spite.

    In contrast, considering who are Israel’s neighbors, it is very likely that most of the population of Israel will be exterminated. Some Jews in Israel, including many ultra-Orthodox Jews, understand that and actively protest against Israel’s crimes in Gaza and elsewhere.

    Aren’t some of these bizarre cultists also involved in illegal settlements in the West Bank? As far I understand it their opposition to the State of Israel isn’t out of principled anti-war sentiment, but because they desire a theocratic state.

    Honestly, whatever one’s opinion on Israel, considering how the privileges and subsidies they are granted I can’t see the ones who live in Israel as anything other than ungrateful traitors.

    Besides as we saw with the music festival on 7th October, being anti-war won’t stop any Jew from getting butchered.

    Ukraine will be significantly reduced in size and rump Ukraine will be reformatted, but residents who manage to survive clown’s regime (or the same regime with clown replaced by someone else by the masters), with the exception of those who committed crimes against Donbass or Russian residents (numerous murders of civilians during Ukie occupation of Mariupol and recent attack on Belgorod are examples of these crimes), will remain alive and actually live better than under current Kiev puppets.

    If Russia conquers most of the country, a majority will likely decamp to somewhere
    else instead. Excluding all else, the country is going to be ruined and reconstruction is going to be expensive and probably take decades.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Hyperborean


    If Russia conquers most of the country, a majority will likely decamp to somewhere
    else instead.
     
    That’s what Western propaganda would like you to believe. In reality, about 80% will stay put and accept regime change. Maybe even more, if current regime continues to forcibly draft everyone who moves and send them for slaughter.

    the country is going to be ruined and reconstruction is going to be expensive and probably take decades.
     
    The regions Russia takes will be reconstructed within 5-7 years. Considering rundown state of most Ukrainian infrastructure even before 2022, whatever Russia does will be a huge improvement. Whatever Putin decides to leave as an “independent” Ukraine (ever read Saymak’s “Goblin sanctuary”?) will take a very long time to recover: neither Russia, nor anybody else will invest in it.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  558. @Derer
    @John Johnson

    Stop this nonsense and hate. I am probably not that far off by assuming that you are an illegitimate child of rape committed by Russian.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Stop this nonsense and hate. I am probably not that far off by assuming that you are an illegitimate child of rape committed by Russian.

    Posting a video of Russians being interviewed by a Russian is nonsense and hate?

    Is that right?

    Did you even watch the video?

  559. @Sher Singh
    @Hyperborean

    I'm a Jatt that's some merchant type.
    US diaspora is tiny - the outmarraige rate drops with # growth.

    I support Israel.
    Your weird attempts at humiliation, while espousing 'formal equality' are duly noted.

    Mom ain't raise no fool.

    Replies: @Hyperborean

    I’m a Jatt that’s some merchant type.

    If you’re supposed to be a merchant, then why the tough guy rhetoric on the internet?

    Your weird attempts at humiliation, while espousing ‘formal equality’ are duly noted.

    No weirder than seething about “Niggadry” and posting all caps sentences.
    By the way, I don’t support formal equality. I had my way there would be either mass deportations or long-term reeducation camps. But since that is very unlikely, I just think formal equality would be a step up than what we have now.

    Mom ain’t raise no fool.

    Why do you hide your comment history? Is it because you can’t mass delete messages here? Why this macho bravado? Well, at least you’re not as bad here as you were on Karlin’s discord server. Pretty incredible how you managed to be worse than the certified schizophrenic who believed he was suffering from demonic possession.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Hyperborean

    A guy who sells cigarettes and beer and lotto tickets in the ghetto to negroes in a convenience store can be classified as a merchant with loose usage. Those fellows definitely need guns.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    , @Sher Singh
    @Hyperborean

    Wignat detected opinion rejected.
    Shine my shoes.

    Ps - glad you've showed up.
    Hope you enjoy the stay, no discord bans here. :D

    ਅਕਾਲ

  560. @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    Most depressing for me is to see that so many younger folks seem to be "for Putin". The older ones seem to be more cynical as regards to Putler's abilities to run things. Still, 43% for Putin in a country where the political opposition is monitored and controlled so thoroughly seems low to me, but certainly high enough for manipulators to make it work..

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @John Johnson

    Most depressing for me is to see that so many younger folks seem to be “for Putin”. The older ones seem to be more cynical as regards to Putler’s abilities to run things. Still, 43% for Putin in a country where the political opposition is monitored and controlled so thoroughly seems low to me, but certainly high enough for manipulators to make it work..

    I think 40% is reasonable given that critical thinking and dissent are not allowed the media.

    When Russians complain about the war it is often in relation to high prices and it not being resolved. I don’t doubt that a majority would like to see Russia triumph even if it meant additional losses on both sides. It’s become a point of national pride for them. I think few oppose the war in relation to how it affects Ukraine. They want the war to end but with some type of face saving armistice.

  561. @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    Also, it looks to me like this poll was taken within a city, probably Moscow. If a similar one were to be taken somewhere more rural (like in most of Russia) I'm sure that the results would be even more slanted against Putler.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Derer

    Also, it looks to me like this poll was taken within a city, probably Moscow. If a similar one were to be taken somewhere more rural (like in most of Russia) I’m sure that the results would be even more slanted against Putler.

    That seems to be the case.

    Dictators normally have more support in rural areas even if their men are more likely to be sent to the front. This is how Franco built his army. He had all these rural young men that worked basic jobs and had zero interest in the left. It annoyed the leftists to no end for them to be fighting laborers and farm boys.

    What shocked me in the 1420 interviews were the rural Babushkas. They seem to be the most pro-war. They certainly view it as the responsibility of 18 year old men to go die for Putin and not ask questions.

    Something very disturbing about old grannies that would help round up men for the killing machine.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    They're referred to as "Baba Yaga" in Russian:

    https://data.cdn.globallab.org/ea736426-d7bc-11e5-b95c-08606e697fd7/large.jpeg

  562. @LatW
    @German_reader


    but it was very bad style from me to descend to the level of such insults.
     
    It's not about style (and you are typically measured, at least towards non-EEs), it's characteristic of your overall condescending attitude - you have a strange kind of a very negative animus towards me. I admit that a lot of what I've posted over the years has been pure emotional trolling (this is simply because I have to lead a rather structured life with obligations and have no other emotional outlet, and, yes, I understand it's unseemly) but not even all of it, and some of what I posted was intentionally provocative - mostly for entertainment purposes, to deal with boredom. Also, I had to address some of the blatant misrepresentations here and attacks on my own nation and its history.

    However, I know several Eastern Euro languages, not just Russian - this is something that practically none of you here do. I have real life sources and my background has allowed me to see things you haven't seen.

    I knew that some anti-Russia posts would illicit a negative reaction. However, what did you guys expect - to not have the position of Russia's neighbors represented on a Russian reaction forum?

    I have already taken a ton of hostility and rudeness on this forum - some of it slightly provoked maybe, but most of it - completely undeserved and a lot of it based on bigotry. Just because people do not want to hear about reality - all aspects of it. They don't like their comfortable little truths to be challenged.


    like her enthusiasm for sending those “Free Russians” over the border
     
    That's just because I get excited by such wild paramilitary types - sorry, it's a personal weakness that I will admit. I recognize that it is questionable and somewhat unethical to support some of their activity - but then again, it is also unethical how the Putin regime has treated some of them prior (not to mention the invasion). They are on their own land and they have a right to fight for their freedom. Свободу России!

    As to Toly's latest outburst of graphomania - yes, it is hilarious and funny, but I'm really puzzled as to how you guys did not notice his orientation from the get go (granted, he did hide it well) - I was aware of it years ago. It's just the most elaborate and hilarious coming out I've ever seen.

    As to the Dark Elves - a translator friend of mine who knows Tolkien very well, once told me that some of the elves were taken captive either by orcs or by some dark forces and bred with them so this is how the Dark Elves came into this world - I'm not sure if he just made that up or if it's somewhere in the books (I don't recall such a thing, but then I didn't scour through them the way he did), but Morgul means sorcery in Sindarin, and it is somehow connected to the Nazgul. So these Dark Elves are somehow connected to this. That's how he explained it, but he may have made it up (he had created his own "mythical persona" based on that).

    To Mr Hack: rest assured I will not be abandoning our cause, our common freedom, but will find a more productive way to fight for it (without toxicity and insults).

    Enjoy your eco chamber, gentlemen.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @songbird, @S, @Derer, @German_reader

    Can you reveal to us your new moniker? Never mind we will find out.

  563. @Hyperborean
    @AnonfromTN


    Correction: the terrorist act in Iran killed more than 200 people.
     
    I did say so far. But where is the 200 killed number coming from? The highest I can see now are 103 dead, granted one can easily expect deaths to rise as wounded perish.

    In contrast, considering who are Israel’s neighbors, it is very likely that most of the population of Israel will be exterminated.
     
    Assuming naval and air superiority, otherwise I think most will be evacuated abroad in case of a military collapse, the Jewish lobby plus the number of dual citizens should ensure this. If it genuinely looks like the Israelis are going to all get slaughtered they'll just nuke the region in spite.

    In contrast, considering who are Israel’s neighbors, it is very likely that most of the population of Israel will be exterminated. Some Jews in Israel, including many ultra-Orthodox Jews, understand that and actively protest against Israel’s crimes in Gaza and elsewhere.
     
    Aren't some of these bizarre cultists also involved in illegal settlements in the West Bank? As far I understand it their opposition to the State of Israel isn't out of principled anti-war sentiment, but because they desire a theocratic state.

    Honestly, whatever one's opinion on Israel, considering how the privileges and subsidies they are granted I can't see the ones who live in Israel as anything other than ungrateful traitors.

    Besides as we saw with the music festival on 7th October, being anti-war won't stop any Jew from getting butchered.

    Ukraine will be significantly reduced in size and rump Ukraine will be reformatted, but residents who manage to survive clown’s regime (or the same regime with clown replaced by someone else by the masters), with the exception of those who committed crimes against Donbass or Russian residents (numerous murders of civilians during Ukie occupation of Mariupol and recent attack on Belgorod are examples of these crimes), will remain alive and actually live better than under current Kiev puppets.
     
    If Russia conquers most of the country, a majority will likely decamp to somewhere
    else instead. Excluding all else, the country is going to be ruined and reconstruction is going to be expensive and probably take decades.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    If Russia conquers most of the country, a majority will likely decamp to somewhere
    else instead.

    That’s what Western propaganda would like you to believe. In reality, about 80% will stay put and accept regime change. Maybe even more, if current regime continues to forcibly draft everyone who moves and send them for slaughter.

    the country is going to be ruined and reconstruction is going to be expensive and probably take decades.

    The regions Russia takes will be reconstructed within 5-7 years. Considering rundown state of most Ukrainian infrastructure even before 2022, whatever Russia does will be a huge improvement. Whatever Putin decides to leave as an “independent” Ukraine (ever read Saymak’s “Goblin sanctuary”?) will take a very long time to recover: neither Russia, nor anybody else will invest in it.

    • Agree: Derer, Sher Singh
    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    5-7 years? I wonder what you base this optimistic forecast on? Even before Putler's schmo, outside of Moscow and Peter little was done to modernize Russia's infrastructure in the rural countryside (most of the country), and this was during boom times for Russia's economy.

  564. @Hyperborean
    @Sher Singh


    I’m a Jatt that’s some merchant type.
     
    If you're supposed to be a merchant, then why the tough guy rhetoric on the internet?

    Your weird attempts at humiliation, while espousing ‘formal equality’ are duly noted.
     
    No weirder than seething about "Niggadry" and posting all caps sentences.
    By the way, I don't support formal equality. I had my way there would be either mass deportations or long-term reeducation camps. But since that is very unlikely, I just think formal equality would be a step up than what we have now.

    Mom ain’t raise no fool.
     
    Why do you hide your comment history? Is it because you can't mass delete messages here? Why this macho bravado? Well, at least you're not as bad here as you were on Karlin's discord server. Pretty incredible how you managed to be worse than the certified schizophrenic who believed he was suffering from demonic possession.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh

    A guy who sells cigarettes and beer and lotto tickets in the ghetto to negroes in a convenience store can be classified as a merchant with loose usage. Those fellows definitely need guns.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Eh I missed a comma - I'm a Jatt, that (girl) is some merchant type.

    Wignats live in this weird fantasy where they get all the girls.
    Then they cry about their women leaving - especially, with blacks.

    Was gonna say more, but no point. This poster is literally human waste - a white Dalit.
    This aint the place for their fetishes, suggest an ignore similar to mr. xyz or laxa for that matter.

    ਅਕਾਲ

  565. @Sean
    @sudden death


    https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2008/04-april/e0403h.html

    At the Bucharest Summit, NATO Allies welcomed Ukraine's and Georgia's Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership and agreed that these countries will become members of NATO
     
    On August 7th 2008, the Russian Army invaded the territory controlled by the central government of Georgia.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Derer

    On August 7th 2008, the Russian Army invaded the territory controlled by the central government of Georgia.

    This is a hypocritical statement of a troll. What is missing is prelude or provocation – the lunatic (Washington’s boy now in prison) from Tbilisi started killing South Ossetians because they wanted to join North Ossetians in Russia. The failed plan was concocted in Washington.

  566. @AnonfromTN
    @Hyperborean


    First the assassination of Hamas big wig Saleh al-Arouri in Lebanon, now a mass bombing killing 73 so far with 171 wounded at a mass memorial at Soleimani’s cemetery.
     
    Correction: the terrorist act in Iran killed more than 200 people.

    Israel keeps convincing its neighbors that the only path to security is the annihilation of this terrorist entity. It probably won’t happen before the empire weakens more and will be physically unable to provide material support to Israeli criminals.

    Similarly, current Ukrainian regime successfully convinced the majority of Russians that the only viable course of action is its annihilation. All those talking about resolving the crisis by negotiations are welcome to stuff their ideas right up theirs.

    However, that’s where the similarities end. Ukraine will be significantly reduced in size and rump Ukraine will be reformatted, but residents who manage to survive clown’s regime (or the same regime with clown replaced by someone else by the masters), with the exception of those who committed crimes against Donbass or Russian residents (numerous murders of civilians during Ukie occupation of Mariupol and recent attack on Belgorod are examples of these crimes), will remain alive and actually live better than under current Kiev puppets. In contrast, considering who are Israel’s neighbors, it is very likely that most of the population of Israel will be exterminated. Some Jews in Israel, including many ultra-Orthodox Jews, understand that and actively protest against Israel’s crimes in Gaza and elsewhere. The regime violently suppresses these protests. The fact that criminal activities of Israeli government are supported by the majority of Israel population further diminishes their chances of survival when the time for the reckoning comes.

    Replies: @Hyperborean, @A123

    bombing killing 73 so far with 171 wounded at a mass memorial at Soleimani’s cemetery.

    Correction: the terrorist act in Iran killed more than 200 people.

    Sociopath Khamenei would be willing to expand his own people in a false flag operation. It could also be a 100% local response to the tyranny of his theocracy.

    Apparently there were no senior officials there, so it does not fit the pattern for IDF activity.

    Ukraine will be significantly reduced in size and rump Ukraine will be reformatted, but residents who manage to survive clown’s regime (or the same regime with clown replaced by someone else by the masters),

    There are definitely similarities in the Pali/Ukie stance. Both are heavily propped up from the outside.

    You are correct that the physical size gives Kiev a chance to survive as a smaller state.

    That parallel does not apply to the Muslim occupation in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza. There never was a Muslim nation in Palestine. The chance of an independent rump state is effectively zero. It has been unilaterally rejected time and again by the PLO, PA, Fatah, and Hamas.

    The closest thing to a Muslim nation in Palestine is Jordan. Perhaps Judea, Samaria, and Gaza residents could obtain Jordanian citizenship. It sounds like an interesting concept, but the details would be difficult.

    In contrast, considering who are Israel’s neighbors, it is very likely that most of the population of Israel will be exterminated.

    Non-nuclear powers do not exterminate nuclear ones. If things got that bad the offending neighbor would be flash fried, not Palestinian Jews. If you think otherwise, you are kidding yourself.

    The good news is that it is highly unlikely to go that far. Disaster from Egypt was headed off when el-Sisi quashed the Muslim Terrorist Brotherhood threat. Russia is holding Assad back. That leaves a weak Jordan and an even weaker Lebanon.

    Apparently Nasrallah has been lying about Hezbollah capability. If he could have launched thousands of accurate missiles, he would have done so. He has many inaccurate rockets, but those are unable to beat Iron Dome.

    Some Jews in Israel, including many ultra-Orthodox Jews, understand that and actively protest against Israel’s crimes in Gaza and elsewhere.

    Many? That description is extremely dubious. There are a minute handful, wildly over covered by the Fake Stream Media in an attempt to misrepresent the situation.

    The religious parties are in government and support legal Jewish construction in Judea & Samaria. The only “crimes” in Gaza are by Hamas, notably using children as human shields.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123

    Sorry, I cannot bring myself to answer this (Brits would call it “a load of old cobblers”, Americans would simply call it BS).

    Replies: @A123

  567. @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    Wow. Sometimes I’m self-conscious about throwing around a paragraph with dozens of 10 dollar words when 2-3 simple sentences would do perfectly fine, but this is really something.
     
    A lot of the manifesto is like that. Comes across not least like an attempt to "prove" that despite any indications to the contrary Karlin really is an extremely smart guy, and also a highly moral human being, much superior to the rightoid trash he used to associate with. Quite hilarious in its earnestness.
    It's also really striking how Karlin once again comes across as an "extremely online" person (or rather thing, to respect how he...it now identifies), who attaches excessive importance to Twitter personalities and various online communities.
    His detailed description of his interactions with various "rightoid" psychos and grifters (whom he takes to be representative of a "Rightoid international"), mostly from the former Alt-right sphere, is pretty funny though in a way. Some hilarious stuff in there, e.g. one of his former Russian nationalist associates (Kyrill Nesterov) has re-invented himself as a popular youtuber about video games, lol.

    I couldn’t take any more Ukraine circle-jerks here
     
    Understandable. On that note, you were right to call me out for my having called LatW a "stupid cow". I can't have any sympathy for many of the views she's expressed in the past (like her enthusiasm for sending those "Free Russians" over the border), but it was very bad style from me to descend to the level of such insults. Insofar as that's possible, I want to apologize both to her and other commenters.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Sher Singh, @Mr. Hack, @Mikel, @LatW, @Yevardian

    Got anymore tasty excepts?
    I might take a look at his schizo manifesto myself (is it on PDF?), would be an fun contrast to what I’m just finishing now, the Ur-Rightoid and ‘Father of Racism’, Arthur Gobineau. A lot of 1850s mental gymnastics ‘proving’ that after “Adamite Man”, every known Civilisation, including the Chinese, Semites (“Assyrians”), Mexicans and Andeans, was originally founded and subsequently only maintained by white Aryans.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yevardian

    The Buddha was definitely an Aryan.

    Lao Tzu possibly was. The Chinese Commies shut down free range archaeology a long time ago. They don't want any more blonde hair red hair mummies coming out.

    , @Mikel
    @Yevardian


    every known Civilisation, including the Chinese, Semites (“Assyrians”), Mexicans and Andeans, was originally founded and subsequently only maintained by white Aryans.
     
    Sounds more legit than AK's transition from Russian imperialist Z-enthusiast ("shock and disbelief, any day now") to gender-queer defender of Globohomo. I believe he supports Biden-Kamala for November now.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    , @Coconuts
    @Yevardian

    Did you manage to read the multi-volume version or one of the shorter ones? I have an abridged 'best of' Gobineau on race issues, I was thinking the full essay would be heavy going. Parvini seems to have read it.

    I was wanting to find some book in a language I can read about the reception of Gobineau in Germany but couldn't see anything obvious on the topic.

    Replies: @Yevardian

  568. @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    Got anymore tasty excepts?
    I might take a look at his schizo manifesto myself (is it on PDF?), would be an fun contrast to what I'm just finishing now, the Ur-Rightoid and 'Father of Racism', Arthur Gobineau. A lot of 1850s mental gymnastics 'proving' that after "Adamite Man", every known Civilisation, including the Chinese, Semites ("Assyrians"), Mexicans and Andeans, was originally founded and subsequently only maintained by white Aryans.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel, @Coconuts

    The Buddha was definitely an Aryan.

    Lao Tzu possibly was. The Chinese Commies shut down free range archaeology a long time ago. They don’t want any more blonde hair red hair mummies coming out.

  569. I have in the past encountered different animal bones in association with an old house.

    My original though was fairly prosaic. Workman’s lunch or this draft animal died and was too big to haul away.

    But I hadn’t realized that the kind of pagan practices of putting bones in such places existed at that time in America. Not that I would definitely identify it as that, but I’d say the possibility is certainly there.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    Siberian and Aryan faiths aren't that dif.
    Cherokee fire rituals for marriage & stuff are Hindu.

    Wokeness means we don't study the differences between these groups or migrations.
    Like the Inuit are hella dif from Navajo or Aztecs.

    I think in 20-30 years wokeness proly dies?
    Most of the white dalits it's aimed at like hyperborean will be dead of meth.

    I don't think a mostly Hispanic or Asian america hates whites more than blacks.

    White TFR can recover in the rural areas ala Rome, IMO.

    - Watch Hyperborean start screaming how he's the real Aryan who wrote the Vedas.
    Go clean the rust off your trailer Cleetus.
    Your sister went over to Jamal's for lunch &'ll be back by dinner.
    U fkn Nigger.

    ਅਕਾਲ

  570. @sudden death
    @Sean

    How official invitation into NATO looked like:


    NATO invites Albania and Croatia to accession talks
    Allied leaders decided to invite Albania and Croatia to begin accession talks with NATO. The decision was announced at the Summit meeting of NATO Heads of State and Government in the Romanian capital Bucharest.

    The Heads of State and Government of the 26 NATO countries held an extraordinary session in the presence of their counterparts from Croatia and Albania to welcome these two new members.

    “The countries that join us can be rightly proud of what they have achieved in meeting NATO's demanding criteria for membership. The many years of hard work within the Membership Action Plan have paid off. Due to your hard work, Allies can be confident that your admission to the Alliance will strengthen NATO,” said the NATO Secretary General at the meeting.

    This will be the sixth round of enlargement in the Alliance's history. Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovenia and Slovakia joined in 2004; the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland in 1999; Spain in 1982; Germany in 1955 and Greece and Turkey joined the Alliance in 1952
     

    How polite Japanese style diplomatic rejection looked like without saying "no" directly, but refusing to give even MAP option in spring:

    NATO welcomes Georgia's and Ukraine's aspirations for membership
    At the Bucharest Summit, NATO Allies welcomed Ukraine's and Georgia's Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership and agreed that these countries will become members of NATO.

    They also agreed that both nations have made valuable contributions to Alliance operations and welcomed democratic reforms in Ukraine and Georgia.

    The Membership Action Plan (MAP) is the next step for the two countries on their direct way to membership.

    Allies made clear that they support Georgia's and Ukraine's applications for MAP. Allies also said NATO will now begin a period of intensive engagement with both countries at high political level to address the questions still outstanding regarding their MAP applications. NATO Foreign Ministers were asked to make a first assessment of progress at their December 2008 meeting.
     

    However it was essentially the same Kremlin gang of dumb corrupt incompetent, but aggressive chimpanzes, only younger in age, so it can be quite justifiably assumed they were indeed mentally incapable to spot the difference, lol

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sean

    Not only did the Nato conference of 2008 say that Ukraine would definitely join Nato–at some unspecified point–but that official Nato statement was reiterated annually at the subsequent Nato conferences. Ukraine was going to join Nato, and Russia acted to forestall that by use of military force. If there was any misunderstanding it was by Ukraine, which stuck its neck out like a giraffe, with all too predictable results.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Sean

    Not only did the Nato conference of 2008 say that Ukraine would definitely join Nato–at some unspecified point–but that official Nato statement was reiterated annually at the subsequent Nato conferences. Ukraine was going to join Nato,

    To join NATO requires a 100% vote from all members. It's a myth that it is a top-down organization. There is no president or executive that decree a country will join NATO. It's a very open process and every member has an equal number of votes.

    France said in 2014 that they opposed Ukraine in NATO. The same for Germany.

    France only changed their position after Russia invaded Ukraine
    https://warontherocks.com/2023/08/frances-policy-shift-on-ukraines-nato-membership/

    Ukraine was going to join Nato, and Russia acted to forestall that by use of military force.

    Ukraine didn't qualify for NATO and wasn't in the process of applying. You do acknowledge that verifiable reality?

    Why would military force be required if Ukraine had not even initiated the pre-application process?

    Finland has joined NATO as a result of Putin's invasion. Did Putin invade the wrong country?

    Replies: @Derer, @Sean

    , @sudden death
    @Sean

    Is this just another account for Beckow? The whole point was about your claims about Georgia getting invite to join NATO in 2008 spring, which was shown to be entirely false, so now broken vinyl track jumps to UA theme to divert attention from that?

    btw, below is quite accurate depiction of dealing with dumb aggressive corrupt incompetent chimpanzees in high places;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9mMoOE2ZpE

    Replies: @sudden death

  571. @Hyperborean
    @Sher Singh


    I’m a Jatt that’s some merchant type.
     
    If you're supposed to be a merchant, then why the tough guy rhetoric on the internet?

    Your weird attempts at humiliation, while espousing ‘formal equality’ are duly noted.
     
    No weirder than seething about "Niggadry" and posting all caps sentences.
    By the way, I don't support formal equality. I had my way there would be either mass deportations or long-term reeducation camps. But since that is very unlikely, I just think formal equality would be a step up than what we have now.

    Mom ain’t raise no fool.
     
    Why do you hide your comment history? Is it because you can't mass delete messages here? Why this macho bravado? Well, at least you're not as bad here as you were on Karlin's discord server. Pretty incredible how you managed to be worse than the certified schizophrenic who believed he was suffering from demonic possession.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sher Singh

    Wignat detected opinion rejected.
    Shine my shoes.

    Ps – glad you’ve showed up.
    Hope you enjoy the stay, no discord bans here. 😀

    ਅਕਾਲ

  572. Sher Singh says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Hyperborean

    A guy who sells cigarettes and beer and lotto tickets in the ghetto to negroes in a convenience store can be classified as a merchant with loose usage. Those fellows definitely need guns.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Eh I missed a comma – I’m a Jatt, that (girl) is some merchant type.

    Wignats live in this weird fantasy where they get all the girls.
    Then they cry about their women leaving – especially, with blacks.

    Was gonna say more, but no point. This poster is literally human waste – a white Dalit.
    This aint the place for their fetishes, suggest an ignore similar to mr. xyz or laxa for that matter.

    ਅਕਾਲ

  573. @A123
    @AnonfromTN



    bombing killing 73 so far with 171 wounded at a mass memorial at Soleimani’s cemetery.
     
    Correction: the terrorist act in Iran killed more than 200 people.
     
    Sociopath Khamenei would be willing to expand his own people in a false flag operation. It could also be a 100% local response to the tyranny of his theocracy.

    Apparently there were no senior officials there, so it does not fit the pattern for IDF activity.

    Ukraine will be significantly reduced in size and rump Ukraine will be reformatted, but residents who manage to survive clown’s regime (or the same regime with clown replaced by someone else by the masters),
     
    There are definitely similarities in the Pali/Ukie stance. Both are heavily propped up from the outside.

    You are correct that the physical size gives Kiev a chance to survive as a smaller state.

    That parallel does not apply to the Muslim occupation in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza. There never was a Muslim nation in Palestine. The chance of an independent rump state is effectively zero. It has been unilaterally rejected time and again by the PLO, PA, Fatah, and Hamas.

    The closest thing to a Muslim nation in Palestine is Jordan. Perhaps Judea, Samaria, and Gaza residents could obtain Jordanian citizenship. It sounds like an interesting concept, but the details would be difficult.

    In contrast, considering who are Israel’s neighbors, it is very likely that most of the population of Israel will be exterminated.
     
    Non-nuclear powers do not exterminate nuclear ones. If things got that bad the offending neighbor would be flash fried, not Palestinian Jews. If you think otherwise, you are kidding yourself.

    The good news is that it is highly unlikely to go that far. Disaster from Egypt was headed off when el-Sisi quashed the Muslim Terrorist Brotherhood threat. Russia is holding Assad back. That leaves a weak Jordan and an even weaker Lebanon.

    Apparently Nasrallah has been lying about Hezbollah capability. If he could have launched thousands of accurate missiles, he would have done so. He has many inaccurate rockets, but those are unable to beat Iron Dome.

    Some Jews in Israel, including many ultra-Orthodox Jews, understand that and actively protest against Israel’s crimes in Gaza and elsewhere.
     
    Many? That description is extremely dubious. There are a minute handful, wildly over covered by the Fake Stream Media in an attempt to misrepresent the situation.

    The religious parties are in government and support legal Jewish construction in Judea & Samaria. The only "crimes" in Gaza are by Hamas, notably using children as human shields.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Sorry, I cannot bring myself to answer this (Brits would call it “a load of old cobblers”, Americans would simply call it BS).

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Sorry, I cannot bring myself to answer this
     
    There is nothing controversial in what I wrote. Americans would call it obvious truth. Possibly plain truth, though that has mildly obscure historical connotations that many do not intend.

    You cannot bring any answers, because you have no meaningful responses.

    PEACE 😇
  574. Sher Singh says:
    @songbird
    I have in the past encountered different animal bones in association with an old house.

    My original though was fairly prosaic. Workman's lunch or this draft animal died and was too big to haul away.

    But I hadn't realized that the kind of pagan practices of putting bones in such places existed at that time in America. Not that I would definitely identify it as that, but I'd say the possibility is certainly there.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Siberian and Aryan faiths aren’t that dif.
    Cherokee fire rituals for marriage & stuff are Hindu.

    Wokeness means we don’t study the differences between these groups or migrations.
    Like the Inuit are hella dif from Navajo or Aztecs.

    I think in 20-30 years wokeness proly dies?
    Most of the white dalits it’s aimed at like hyperborean will be dead of meth.

    I don’t think a mostly Hispanic or Asian america hates whites more than blacks.

    White TFR can recover in the rural areas ala Rome, IMO.

    – Watch Hyperborean start screaming how he’s the real Aryan who wrote the Vedas.
    Go clean the rust off your trailer Cleetus.
    Your sister went over to Jamal’s for lunch &’ll be back by dinner.
    U fkn Nigger.

    ਅਕਾਲ

  575. @AnonfromTN
    @A123

    Sorry, I cannot bring myself to answer this (Brits would call it “a load of old cobblers”, Americans would simply call it BS).

    Replies: @A123

    Sorry, I cannot bring myself to answer this

    There is nothing controversial in what I wrote. Americans would call it obvious truth. Possibly plain truth, though that has mildly obscure historical connotations that many do not intend.

    You cannot bring any answers, because you have no meaningful responses.

    PEACE 😇

  576. @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    Got anymore tasty excepts?
    I might take a look at his schizo manifesto myself (is it on PDF?), would be an fun contrast to what I'm just finishing now, the Ur-Rightoid and 'Father of Racism', Arthur Gobineau. A lot of 1850s mental gymnastics 'proving' that after "Adamite Man", every known Civilisation, including the Chinese, Semites ("Assyrians"), Mexicans and Andeans, was originally founded and subsequently only maintained by white Aryans.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel, @Coconuts

    every known Civilisation, including the Chinese, Semites (“Assyrians”), Mexicans and Andeans, was originally founded and subsequently only maintained by white Aryans.

    Sounds more legit than AK’s transition from Russian imperialist Z-enthusiast (“shock and disbelief, any day now”) to gender-queer defender of Globohomo. I believe he supports Biden-Kamala for November now.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Mikel

    Well, at least you can't say he hasn't been entertaining.

    Actually though, I intuitively never bought Karlin as a Russian Nationalist, LatW was also on the money in this regard.

    LatW@


    As to Toly’s latest outburst of graphomania – yes, it is hilarious and funny, but I’m really puzzled as to how you guys did not notice his orientation from the get go (granted, he did hide it well) – I was aware of it years ago. It’s just the most elaborate and hilarious coming out I’ve ever seen.
     
    It was a very obvious pattern here that virtually every Russophone Unz commenter, whatever their politics, felt identically on one point - that Karlin is mentally an American, sublimating his, sorry- "its" inferiority complex over his own heritage into some admittedly pretty good trolling (like his friend Hanania). I'm not sure if "it" ever even made a single Russian cultural reference (as opposed to soyfacing over Indian food in Moscow) in his entire time blogging.
    Perhaps now he can finally own the fact that culturally, he's less Russian than LatW, suddendeath or even Saker [💯] .


    Latw@

    However, I know several Eastern Euro languages, not just Russian – this is something that practically none of you here do. I have real life sources and my background has allowed me to see things you haven’t seen.
     
    Dunno if Armenian counts as "E. European" (I honestly consider us a relic Christian MENA culture) but I do know Romanian as well. Of course your Russian is far better than mine.

    I think utu knows basic Russian as well. And I think Dmitri understands Polish.

    Replies: @AP

  577. @Sean
    @sudden death

    Not only did the Nato conference of 2008 say that Ukraine would definitely join Nato--at some unspecified point--but that official Nato statement was reiterated annually at the subsequent Nato conferences. Ukraine was going to join Nato, and Russia acted to forestall that by use of military force. If there was any misunderstanding it was by Ukraine, which stuck its neck out like a giraffe, with all too predictable results.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death

    Not only did the Nato conference of 2008 say that Ukraine would definitely join Nato–at some unspecified point–but that official Nato statement was reiterated annually at the subsequent Nato conferences. Ukraine was going to join Nato,

    To join NATO requires a 100% vote from all members. It’s a myth that it is a top-down organization. There is no president or executive that decree a country will join NATO. It’s a very open process and every member has an equal number of votes.

    France said in 2014 that they opposed Ukraine in NATO. The same for Germany.

    France only changed their position after Russia invaded Ukraine
    https://warontherocks.com/2023/08/frances-policy-shift-on-ukraines-nato-membership/

    Ukraine was going to join Nato, and Russia acted to forestall that by use of military force.

    Ukraine didn’t qualify for NATO and wasn’t in the process of applying. You do acknowledge that verifiable reality?

    Why would military force be required if Ukraine had not even initiated the pre-application process?

    Finland has joined NATO as a result of Putin’s invasion. Did Putin invade the wrong country?

    • Replies: @Derer
    @John Johnson


    Why would military force be required if Ukraine had not even initiated the pre-application process?
     
    This is the question of a 10 year old. The answer is, the UkieNazi Kiev regime has been killing ethnic Russian in Donbas (15 mill) for 8 years, also banned their language. The despicable people in Brussels, while defending the rights of every ethnic minority and even animals, but not the treatment of Russian minority in Ukraine or in the Baltic minnows. In fact the pathetic morons are supporting the Kiev gang. Putin rightfully interfered to defend and liberate suffering minority .

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Sean
    @John Johnson


    Ukraine didn’t qualify for NATO and wasn’t in the process of applying. You do acknowledge that verifiable reality?
     
    I suppose you are trying to sell the idea that Russia acted impetuously, but this was a geopolitical conflict and hostilities are opened by one side, not by mutual agreement on what constitutes a casus belli. Such legalism is reminiscent of an episode of Ripping Yarns set in a 1913 in which the Germans were trying to 'start the war a year early, without telling anyone'. Putin put the West on notice in 2007 that Russia was under o obligation whatsoever to respect the decisions of Washington about what happened on Russia's borders. It was no secret that Russia invaded Georgia in 208 and undercover invaded easternmost Ukraine in 2014, annexing Crimea into the bargain. In 2015 formed up Battalion Tactical Groups of the Russian army were sent into Ukraine. Putin's wrong move was to stop them in return for the Minks accords, which Ukraine later said it did not consider itself bound by.

    Why would military force be required if Ukraine had not even initiated the pre-application process? [...]
     
    As you well know Bush tried to get Ukraine suddenly admitted as a full member in 2008 without it going through any such lengthy rigmarole as other countries were required to before joining, and such is the influence of Washington in Nato that Nato issued official statements in 2008 and every year after 2008 saying that Ukraine would join Nato.

    Did Putin invade the wrong country?
     
    He invaded the country that his diplomats had warned since 2007 would cease to exist if it didn't stop trying trying to join Nato. So instead of Putin wondering if he was going to wake up one morning and find Ukraine was a full Nato member, which Russia could not invade without starting WW3, he decided to not wait any longer.

    Replies: @sudden death, @QCIC, @John Johnson

  578. @Gerard1234
    @Hyperborean

    1.I am living in Eastern Europe in addition to Beckow. Very far into Eastern Europe (Kazan) . Read before you write.
    Some of the Poles who come here might be living in Poland.
    Mr Hack is the only actual "Ukrainian" heritage diaspora on here.

    2. The premise of your question is disrespectful, even silly because you are grouping all of those Diaspora into one group when you shouldn't.

    Tsarist emigree diaspora (like Mikhail) and Soviet post-1991 diaspora have great knowledge and perspective - in ZERO way are they diminished or discredited by being diaspora. They are secure in position from being tangibly connected to great Russian culture and history, present and future.


    Those from loser Poland, Baltics or other states are though massively diminished and discredited by being diaspora. They are the ones squealing about some fake historical or upcoming "genocide". They are the ones insecure in their nonexistent or "lost" culture...or culture they are trying to develop. They are of countries with zero history, or "destroyed" or "lost" history they are trying to find or invent.
    All that make the fact they aren't living in Poland /Baltics/other quite embarrassing. A Russian diaspora does not have to justify anything at all - he left as the country changed against him and family. Ukronazi/Nazi Baltics who fled to the same West who had helped defeat their German Nazi friends in 1945 or A Baltic who left as the country became" independent" in 1991 and is a dickhead calling for action against Russia - of course are in an embarrassing position to defend.

    Russian language blogosphere is huge and international. So all Russians in Russia or those in diaspora are doing good favour to every one with their presence on English language blog.

    Also, though most were diaspora, several were also local Russians who commented in English on Karlins blog but had huge arguments with him and were either banned or left over a few years. Russian tsarists,Soviets and libtards always have very aggressive and angry debates - zero surprise Karlin as the host of the blog would be in crossfire from all sides. Impossible not to be.

    All that makes the lack, with the exception of me, of local Russians on here a completely irrelevant and misleading point.

    Lithuania, Estonian and Latvian computer users all have perfect English skills - it's quite disgraceful (and revealing) they can't find a local Baltic I.e living there, to support their position on this blog.

    Replies: @AP

    1.I am living in Eastern Europe in addition to Beckow. Very far into Eastern Europe (Kazan) . Read before you write.

    You were caught by our former host.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-158/#comment-4794762

    “reminding people that you consistently post from somewhere in NW England (a region of 7 million people, so hardly a dox), in the context of your claimed authority as a denizen of Kazan”

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    You regularly give yourself away, in your comments about English soccer and recently about the problem of invasive grey squirrels replacing red ones (a particular problem in northern England).

    You must have been a real loser in Russia, to choose to move to such a bad and unpleasant part of England. A desperate move.

    I’ve probably been in Russia more than you have, in the past 25 years. Perhaps more than any of the pro-Russians posting here. Lived there in the early 2000s, since then visiting every other year (sometimes every year) for 2 weeks or so, typically for New Years. Eventually AnoninTN will catch up though with his annual 3 week visits, I was last there in 2019 and won’t go again until the war ends (cancelled my planned April 2022 trip -sad).

  579. @Sean
    @sudden death

    Not only did the Nato conference of 2008 say that Ukraine would definitely join Nato--at some unspecified point--but that official Nato statement was reiterated annually at the subsequent Nato conferences. Ukraine was going to join Nato, and Russia acted to forestall that by use of military force. If there was any misunderstanding it was by Ukraine, which stuck its neck out like a giraffe, with all too predictable results.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death

    Is this just another account for Beckow? The whole point was about your claims about Georgia getting invite to join NATO in 2008 spring, which was shown to be entirely false, so now broken vinyl track jumps to UA theme to divert attention from that?

    btw, below is quite accurate depiction of dealing with dumb aggressive corrupt incompetent chimpanzees in high places;)

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @sudden death

    To think of it further, if all the figurative beckows here are trying in a very convoluted unclear ways to say in fact that the political wordy NATO declarations alone (without even begining any preparatory decades long official procedures of acquiring new members) are received by geopolitical chimpanzees in Kremlin as equivalent of staredown, which triggers their animal instinct to throw figurative sand (=begin wars) in order to show dominance, then I can even agree somewhat;)

  580. @John Johnson
    @Sean

    Not only did the Nato conference of 2008 say that Ukraine would definitely join Nato–at some unspecified point–but that official Nato statement was reiterated annually at the subsequent Nato conferences. Ukraine was going to join Nato,

    To join NATO requires a 100% vote from all members. It's a myth that it is a top-down organization. There is no president or executive that decree a country will join NATO. It's a very open process and every member has an equal number of votes.

    France said in 2014 that they opposed Ukraine in NATO. The same for Germany.

    France only changed their position after Russia invaded Ukraine
    https://warontherocks.com/2023/08/frances-policy-shift-on-ukraines-nato-membership/

    Ukraine was going to join Nato, and Russia acted to forestall that by use of military force.

    Ukraine didn't qualify for NATO and wasn't in the process of applying. You do acknowledge that verifiable reality?

    Why would military force be required if Ukraine had not even initiated the pre-application process?

    Finland has joined NATO as a result of Putin's invasion. Did Putin invade the wrong country?

    Replies: @Derer, @Sean

    Why would military force be required if Ukraine had not even initiated the pre-application process?

    This is the question of a 10 year old. The answer is, the UkieNazi Kiev regime has been killing ethnic Russian in Donbas (15 mill) for 8 years, also banned their language. The despicable people in Brussels, while defending the rights of every ethnic minority and even animals, but not the treatment of Russian minority in Ukraine or in the Baltic minnows. In fact the pathetic morons are supporting the Kiev gang. Putin rightfully interfered to defend and liberate suffering minority .

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Derer


    Why would military force be required if Ukraine had not even initiated the pre-application process?
     
    This is the question of a 10 year old. The answer is, the UkieNazi Kiev regime has been killing ethnic Russian in Donbas (15 mill) for 8 years, also banned their language.

    Are you saying 15 million were killed in total?

    Well you should have no problem telling us about the worst attack and listing the number of casualties.

    Please enlighten us.

    Year, attack location and number of casualties. Feel free to use Russian media as a source.

    Replies: @Derer, @Derer

  581. @Derer
    @John Johnson


    Why would military force be required if Ukraine had not even initiated the pre-application process?
     
    This is the question of a 10 year old. The answer is, the UkieNazi Kiev regime has been killing ethnic Russian in Donbas (15 mill) for 8 years, also banned their language. The despicable people in Brussels, while defending the rights of every ethnic minority and even animals, but not the treatment of Russian minority in Ukraine or in the Baltic minnows. In fact the pathetic morons are supporting the Kiev gang. Putin rightfully interfered to defend and liberate suffering minority .

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Why would military force be required if Ukraine had not even initiated the pre-application process?

    This is the question of a 10 year old. The answer is, the UkieNazi Kiev regime has been killing ethnic Russian in Donbas (15 mill) for 8 years, also banned their language.

    Are you saying 15 million were killed in total?

    Well you should have no problem telling us about the worst attack and listing the number of casualties.

    Please enlighten us.

    Year, attack location and number of casualties. Feel free to use Russian media as a source.

    • Replies: @Derer
    @John Johnson

    I was right about 10 years old brain. That applies to the size of the ethnic Russian minority in Ukraine.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @John Johnson

    , @Derer
    @John Johnson

    So no response of substance.

    Read my comment (581) and your stupid and meaningless response (582). Avoiding to address the essence of my post. This site is full of your verbal diarrhea repeating your slogans instead of some mature and objective response. BTW, Bandera was a homosexual, ironically dying from the bullet of his masters - pathetic double agent.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  582. @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    Also, it looks to me like this poll was taken within a city, probably Moscow. If a similar one were to be taken somewhere more rural (like in most of Russia) I'm sure that the results would be even more slanted against Putler.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Derer

    What is your point? You are peeing against the wind.

  583. @John Johnson
    @Derer


    Why would military force be required if Ukraine had not even initiated the pre-application process?
     
    This is the question of a 10 year old. The answer is, the UkieNazi Kiev regime has been killing ethnic Russian in Donbas (15 mill) for 8 years, also banned their language.

    Are you saying 15 million were killed in total?

    Well you should have no problem telling us about the worst attack and listing the number of casualties.

    Please enlighten us.

    Year, attack location and number of casualties. Feel free to use Russian media as a source.

    Replies: @Derer, @Derer

    I was right about 10 years old brain. That applies to the size of the ethnic Russian minority in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Derer

    I was right about 10 years old brain. That applies to the size of the ethnic Russian minority in Ukraine.

    So no response of substance.

    You spoke of mass killing but can't back it with even a Russian source, now can you?

    You might want to expand your sources beyond pro-Putin websites.

    It might dawn on you that both Putin and his followers are full of shit.

    Here is an actual report from the UN:
    https://www.promoteukraine.org/un-releases-data-on-donbas-war-casualties/

    Militia killing by both sides had drastically dropped since 2014 to where you were more likely to accidentally drown than be killed in separatist fighting.

    Zelensky had basically allowed the DPR to exist in a defacto independent status.

    Putin was not racing into rescue anyone and he in fact broke his written decree to make them independent Republics. You don't deny that, correct?

    , @John Johnson
    @Derer

    Boy the quality of Putin defenders sure has dropped precipitously since the start of the 2.5 week operation.

    At the start of the invasion there were far more bloggers at Unz that were telling us about Putin's new world order and how the dollar was going to crash. Was supposed to be a quick war followed by a new BRICS order. MacGregor and Ritter in fact declared the war to be over.

    Those bloggers also told us how the sanctions won't work and that Fortress Roosa can always import a spare part from China if needed. I was in fact called a Jew for suggesting that you can't just call China and demand that they reproduce some random industrial part.

    Russia now has egg lines and grounded planes from a lack of spare parts and we are about 2 years into the 2.5 week operation. I guess for some defenders it will take more than 2 years for them to realize that Putin may not know what he is doing.

    That'll do dwarf, that'll do.

    Replies: @Sean

  584. @sudden death
    @Sean

    Is this just another account for Beckow? The whole point was about your claims about Georgia getting invite to join NATO in 2008 spring, which was shown to be entirely false, so now broken vinyl track jumps to UA theme to divert attention from that?

    btw, below is quite accurate depiction of dealing with dumb aggressive corrupt incompetent chimpanzees in high places;)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9mMoOE2ZpE

    Replies: @sudden death

    To think of it further, if all the figurative beckows here are trying in a very convoluted unclear ways to say in fact that the political wordy NATO declarations alone (without even begining any preparatory decades long official procedures of acquiring new members) are received by geopolitical chimpanzees in Kremlin as equivalent of staredown, which triggers their animal instinct to throw figurative sand (=begin wars) in order to show dominance, then I can even agree somewhat;)

  585. @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234


    Russian contribution to western Christmas is...Carol of the bells ( yes that is Russian not ukrop)
     
    C'mon Geraldina, your hatred of all things Ukrainian is only surpassed by your stupidity here. Here's an interesting expose that explains how the Ukrainian Leontovich created this song based on a Ukrainian folk song and then how a popular Ukrainian choir under the direction of the Ukrainian Koshyts brought the piece to the world's attention in European and American tours in the 1920's:

    https://ukraine.ua/carol-of-the-bells/
    A fantastic photo montage accompanies the script.

    https://compote.slate.com/images/2dfcf12c-d412-40b1-833b-25fb7f80c736.jpeg?crop=1137%2C758%2Cx0%2Cy0&width=840
    The Ukrainian National Chorus in Buenos Aires in 1923.

    https://www.americamagazine.org/sites/default/files/main_image/2022/11/09/ukraine-carolers-istock.jpeg.jpeg

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Mr Hack my good friend…… you are one exceptional, brilliant, crazy Russian! You are a true patriot, showing me a beautiful photo with the great Russian Imperial double-headed Eagle all across the Bell Tower! WTF were you thinking?

    Saint Sophia’s cathedral is of course 1 billion percent Russian, zero percent “Ukrainian” and Kiev is a totally Russian city.

    As for Leontovich/Carol of the Bells – Malorossiya=Russia. Kiev where he was trained and educated and song composed…. is total Russian city. Petliurite scum financed with German/Austrian money after they lost repeatedly and disgraced themselves post 1917, promoted culture in North America that they stole from the Russian world and had zero connection to (the years these music groups and organisations formed is no coincidence, very insidious)
    There is nothing to suggest the song was derivative of anything sang over the centuries in Galicia.

    In the 1923 foto in Argentina that you linked Hack, shows the choir wearing vishivankas closer in appearance to Polish and Moldovan national dresses (like a mixture) , than most of the differing styles across 404.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234


    You are a true patriot, showing me a beautiful photo with the great Russian Imperial double-headed Eagle all across the Bell Tower! WTF were you thinking?
     
    I never even noticed the double eagle on the belltower of the St. Sophia cathedral. and wasn't at all concerned about its presence. Thanks to your exceptional eyesight (the symbols are slightly blurred in the photo, at least to me), however, we can now discuss this interesting symbolic appearance. With just a few clicks of my mouse, I was able to find a very good scholarly article that deals specifically with this issue: "THE DOUBLE-HEADED EAGLE IN THE STUCCO MOLDING OF THE BELL TOWER AND THE HOLY GATE OF ST. SOPHIA OF KYIV"

    I thought that this appearance was a bit strange, as most of us all know, huge amounts of funds were donated by Hetman Ivan Mazepa towards the restoration of this cathedral (in addition to 18 other
    church restoration projects and the construction of 12 new churches during his reign), and that he had a serious falling out with the Russian emperor. Here's a much better photo of what we're discussing for anybody else here interested in the topic:

    https://st-sophia.org.ua/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/1.Dzvinitsya-I-yarus-1024x683-2.jpg

    I'll let the author of this article, Dr. Natalia Nikitenko explain in her own words how and why this occurred:


    First of all, I would like to note that the above-mentioned St. Sophia shrines were created during the heyday of the Ukrainian Cossack state – the Hetmanate, and both the above mentioned figures were outstanding personalities of our history and culture, Ukrainian patriots, generous donors who built the national state and the Church. In addition, at the beginning of the 18th century, when the Bell Tower was built, Mazepa’s relations with the Russian Tsar Peter I became sharply worse, so the Hetman, who soon rose up against him, could not glorify the predatory Russian Tsar here. In fact, the hetman, who evidently saw the image of the double-headed eagle on Ukrainian monuments as historical symbols of national sovereignty, glorified the Ukrainian state and himself as its leader. It is not for nothing that his banner from the hetman’s capital Baturyn, which is kept in the Kharkiv Historical Museum, features a double-headed eagle – a symbol of his power, reminiscent of St. Sophia phenomena.
     
    The double eagle symbol was used throughout the areas associated with Byzantine culture. Here's a photo of Mazepa's personal banner that also included this symbolism:

    https://st-sophia.org.ua/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/3.-Prapor-Mazepi-rekonstruktsiya.jpeg

    Much more depth is offered within the complete article:
    https://st-sophia.org.ua/en/monuments-reveal-from-scientific-works-of-employees/the-double-headed-eagle-in-the-stucco-molding-of-the-bell-tower-and-the-holy-gate-of-st-sophia-of-kyiv/

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Gerard1234

  586. @Derer
    @John Johnson

    I was right about 10 years old brain. That applies to the size of the ethnic Russian minority in Ukraine.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @John Johnson

    I was right about 10 years old brain. That applies to the size of the ethnic Russian minority in Ukraine.

    So no response of substance.

    You spoke of mass killing but can’t back it with even a Russian source, now can you?

    You might want to expand your sources beyond pro-Putin websites.

    It might dawn on you that both Putin and his followers are full of shit.

    Here is an actual report from the UN:
    https://www.promoteukraine.org/un-releases-data-on-donbas-war-casualties/

    Militia killing by both sides had drastically dropped since 2014 to where you were more likely to accidentally drown than be killed in separatist fighting.

    Zelensky had basically allowed the DPR to exist in a defacto independent status.

    Putin was not racing into rescue anyone and he in fact broke his written decree to make them independent Republics. You don’t deny that, correct?

  587. @Derer
    @John Johnson

    I was right about 10 years old brain. That applies to the size of the ethnic Russian minority in Ukraine.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @John Johnson

    Boy the quality of Putin defenders sure has dropped precipitously since the start of the 2.5 week operation.

    At the start of the invasion there were far more bloggers at Unz that were telling us about Putin’s new world order and how the dollar was going to crash. Was supposed to be a quick war followed by a new BRICS order. MacGregor and Ritter in fact declared the war to be over.

    Those bloggers also told us how the sanctions won’t work and that Fortress Roosa can always import a spare part from China if needed. I was in fact called a Jew for suggesting that you can’t just call China and demand that they reproduce some random industrial part.

    Russia now has egg lines and grounded planes from a lack of spare parts and we are about 2 years into the 2.5 week operation. I guess for some defenders it will take more than 2 years for them to realize that Putin may not know what he is doing.

    That’ll do dwarf, that’ll do.

    • Troll: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Sean
    @John Johnson

    Putin has absolutely got a lot more than he (or anyone else) bargained for. Yes, Kiev had Putin's number and masterfully acted to preserved their citizens' lives of peace and security. We all must envy those in Ukraine who enjoy the unalloyed boon of being so prudently governed.

  588. @Mikel
    @Yevardian


    every known Civilisation, including the Chinese, Semites (“Assyrians”), Mexicans and Andeans, was originally founded and subsequently only maintained by white Aryans.
     
    Sounds more legit than AK's transition from Russian imperialist Z-enthusiast ("shock and disbelief, any day now") to gender-queer defender of Globohomo. I believe he supports Biden-Kamala for November now.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    Well, at least you can’t say he hasn’t been entertaining.

    Actually though, I intuitively never bought Karlin as a Russian Nationalist, LatW was also on the money in this regard.

    LatW@

    As to Toly’s latest outburst of graphomania – yes, it is hilarious and funny, but I’m really puzzled as to how you guys did not notice his orientation from the get go (granted, he did hide it well) – I was aware of it years ago. It’s just the most elaborate and hilarious coming out I’ve ever seen.

    It was a very obvious pattern here that virtually every Russophone Unz commenter, whatever their politics, felt identically on one point – that Karlin is mentally an American, sublimating his, sorry- “its” inferiority complex over his own heritage into some admittedly pretty good trolling (like his friend Hanania). I’m not sure if “it” ever even made a single Russian cultural reference (as opposed to soyfacing over Indian food in Moscow) in his entire time blogging.
    Perhaps now he can finally own the fact that culturally, he’s less Russian than LatW, suddendeath or even Saker [💯] .

    Latw@

    However, I know several Eastern Euro languages, not just Russian – this is something that practically none of you here do. I have real life sources and my background has allowed me to see things you haven’t seen.

    Dunno if Armenian counts as “E. European” (I honestly consider us a relic Christian MENA culture) but I do know Romanian as well. Of course your Russian is far better than mine.

    I think utu knows basic Russian as well. And I think Dmitri understands Polish.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Yevardian


    It was a very obvious pattern here that virtually every Russophone Unz commenter, whatever their politics, felt identically on one point – that Karlin is mentally an American
     
    He grew up in Britain and moved to the USA later. His English has more of a British than an American accent.

    He actually lived in Russia and did so recently, so he is much more Russian than most of the Russia fanboys here.

    I think utu knows basic Russian as well. And I think Dmitri understands Polish.
     
    I speak Ukrainian well enough to be confused for a Galician when I am in Kiev (in Lviv they can tell right away I'm from North America), and I've managed to learn Russian well enough to get confused for a Baltic, Czech or Polish tourist when in Moscow. At a New Year's party a few days ago a Russian asked me why I had an accent when I spoke Russian - asked if I was from Latvia. I never formally studied Russian, I learned it by hearing it through about 30 years of marriage and spending time in Russia.

    I can understand written Polish better than spoken.
  589. I feel like this astrophysicist would probably be a more entertaining speaker than Avi Loeb:

    Hart has described himself as a white separatist and is active in white separatist causes.[8] In 1996, he addressed a conference organized by Jared Taylor’s white separatist organization, New Century Foundation, publisher of American Renaissance. He proposed partitioning the United States into four states: a white state, a black state, a Hispanic state, and an integrated mixed-race state.[8]

    At the 2006 American Renaissance conference, Hart, who is Jewish…

    But the mainstream media doesn’t seem to promote him.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_H._Hart

  590. @Yevardian
    @Mikel

    Well, at least you can't say he hasn't been entertaining.

    Actually though, I intuitively never bought Karlin as a Russian Nationalist, LatW was also on the money in this regard.

    LatW@


    As to Toly’s latest outburst of graphomania – yes, it is hilarious and funny, but I’m really puzzled as to how you guys did not notice his orientation from the get go (granted, he did hide it well) – I was aware of it years ago. It’s just the most elaborate and hilarious coming out I’ve ever seen.
     
    It was a very obvious pattern here that virtually every Russophone Unz commenter, whatever their politics, felt identically on one point - that Karlin is mentally an American, sublimating his, sorry- "its" inferiority complex over his own heritage into some admittedly pretty good trolling (like his friend Hanania). I'm not sure if "it" ever even made a single Russian cultural reference (as opposed to soyfacing over Indian food in Moscow) in his entire time blogging.
    Perhaps now he can finally own the fact that culturally, he's less Russian than LatW, suddendeath or even Saker [💯] .


    Latw@

    However, I know several Eastern Euro languages, not just Russian – this is something that practically none of you here do. I have real life sources and my background has allowed me to see things you haven’t seen.
     
    Dunno if Armenian counts as "E. European" (I honestly consider us a relic Christian MENA culture) but I do know Romanian as well. Of course your Russian is far better than mine.

    I think utu knows basic Russian as well. And I think Dmitri understands Polish.

    Replies: @AP

    It was a very obvious pattern here that virtually every Russophone Unz commenter, whatever their politics, felt identically on one point – that Karlin is mentally an American

    He grew up in Britain and moved to the USA later. His English has more of a British than an American accent.

    He actually lived in Russia and did so recently, so he is much more Russian than most of the Russia fanboys here.

    I think utu knows basic Russian as well. And I think Dmitri understands Polish.

    I speak Ukrainian well enough to be confused for a Galician when I am in Kiev (in Lviv they can tell right away I’m from North America), and I’ve managed to learn Russian well enough to get confused for a Baltic, Czech or Polish tourist when in Moscow. At a New Year’s party a few days ago a Russian asked me why I had an accent when I spoke Russian – asked if I was from Latvia. I never formally studied Russian, I learned it by hearing it through about 30 years of marriage and spending time in Russia.

    I can understand written Polish better than spoken.

  591. How much of capesh-t is due to copyright extension acts?

  592. @John Johnson
    @Sean

    Not only did the Nato conference of 2008 say that Ukraine would definitely join Nato–at some unspecified point–but that official Nato statement was reiterated annually at the subsequent Nato conferences. Ukraine was going to join Nato,

    To join NATO requires a 100% vote from all members. It's a myth that it is a top-down organization. There is no president or executive that decree a country will join NATO. It's a very open process and every member has an equal number of votes.

    France said in 2014 that they opposed Ukraine in NATO. The same for Germany.

    France only changed their position after Russia invaded Ukraine
    https://warontherocks.com/2023/08/frances-policy-shift-on-ukraines-nato-membership/

    Ukraine was going to join Nato, and Russia acted to forestall that by use of military force.

    Ukraine didn't qualify for NATO and wasn't in the process of applying. You do acknowledge that verifiable reality?

    Why would military force be required if Ukraine had not even initiated the pre-application process?

    Finland has joined NATO as a result of Putin's invasion. Did Putin invade the wrong country?

    Replies: @Derer, @Sean

    Ukraine didn’t qualify for NATO and wasn’t in the process of applying. You do acknowledge that verifiable reality?

    I suppose you are trying to sell the idea that Russia acted impetuously, but this was a geopolitical conflict and hostilities are opened by one side, not by mutual agreement on what constitutes a casus belli. Such legalism is reminiscent of an episode of Ripping Yarns set in a 1913 in which the Germans were trying to ‘start the war a year early, without telling anyone’. Putin put the West on notice in 2007 that Russia was under o obligation whatsoever to respect the decisions of Washington about what happened on Russia’s borders. It was no secret that Russia invaded Georgia in 208 and undercover invaded easternmost Ukraine in 2014, annexing Crimea into the bargain. In 2015 formed up Battalion Tactical Groups of the Russian army were sent into Ukraine. Putin’s wrong move was to stop them in return for the Minks accords, which Ukraine later said it did not consider itself bound by.

    Why would military force be required if Ukraine had not even initiated the pre-application process? […]

    As you well know Bush tried to get Ukraine suddenly admitted as a full member in 2008 without it going through any such lengthy rigmarole as other countries were required to before joining, and such is the influence of Washington in Nato that Nato issued official statements in 2008 and every year after 2008 saying that Ukraine would join Nato.

    Did Putin invade the wrong country?

    He invaded the country that his diplomats had warned since 2007 would cease to exist if it didn’t stop trying trying to join Nato. So instead of Putin wondering if he was going to wake up one morning and find Ukraine was a full Nato member, which Russia could not invade without starting WW3, he decided to not wait any longer.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Sean


    Bush tried to get Ukraine suddenly admitted as a full member in 2008 without it going through any such lengthy rigmarole as other countries were required to before joining
     
    Where is this coming from, any source to refer? Cause UA, like Georgia, was aiming in 2008 for getting MAP from NATO, which has nothing to do with any immediate membership, but both never got even such remote option.
    , @QCIC
    @Sean

    Sean wrote:


    Putin’s wrong move was to stop [Russian troops in Ukraine in 2015] in return for the [Minsk] accords...
     
    The Russian leadership would have preferred the Minsk accords to work out, but the delay between 2015 and 2022 bought them time to prepare for a serious conflict with NATO. These very gradual economic and military preparations were only partially completed by 2022. Comparing military strengths in 2015 and 2022, NATO was initially stronger and Russia was weaker. The first round of post-Crimea sanctions had not yet been used to "ruggedize" the Russian economy by partially decoupling from the West. General Hodges was still in command of the US Army in Europe. His demeanor since 2021 suggests he would have been eager to take a NATO 'peacekeeping force' into Ukraine in 2015.

    Russia was not ready to pursue the SMO in 2015.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @John Johnson
    @Sean


    Ukraine didn’t qualify for NATO and wasn’t in the process of applying. You do acknowledge that verifiable reality?
     
    I suppose you are trying to sell the idea that Russia acted impetuously, but this was a geopolitical conflict and hostilities are opened by one side, not by mutual agreement on what constitutes a casus belli.

    So you don't deny the verifiable reality that Ukraine didn't qualify?

    Ukraine hasn't qualified since 2014 because they have an unstable border. Do you acknowledge that?

    Putin put the West on notice in 2007 that Russia was under o obligation whatsoever to respect the decisions of Washington about what happened on Russia’s borders.

    It was Putin in 2008 who said that they have no border qualms with Ukraine. The idea of invading Ukraine developed after the pro-Russian Ukrainian president was removed for corruption. He was denounced as corrupt and accused of murder by his own pro-Russian party.

    As you well know Bush tried to get Ukraine suddenly admitted as a full member in 2008 without it going through any such lengthy rigmarole as other countries were required to before joining

    That is false and shows you don't understand how NATO works.

    Here is Bush in 2008 stating that Ukraine and Georgia should be given membership application plans (the pre-application process):
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/01/nato.georgia

    Which again leads to the question of why didn't Russia wait until Ukraine had initiated the process.

    Why don't you cite evidence of your claim or just be another Putin defender that was caught making stuff up. This is a pattern that Mr. Hack and I have exposed numerous times. You guys all seem to isolate yourselves to pro-Putin websites and have a hard time with an open forum.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Sean, @Derer

  593. @John Johnson
    @Derer

    Boy the quality of Putin defenders sure has dropped precipitously since the start of the 2.5 week operation.

    At the start of the invasion there were far more bloggers at Unz that were telling us about Putin's new world order and how the dollar was going to crash. Was supposed to be a quick war followed by a new BRICS order. MacGregor and Ritter in fact declared the war to be over.

    Those bloggers also told us how the sanctions won't work and that Fortress Roosa can always import a spare part from China if needed. I was in fact called a Jew for suggesting that you can't just call China and demand that they reproduce some random industrial part.

    Russia now has egg lines and grounded planes from a lack of spare parts and we are about 2 years into the 2.5 week operation. I guess for some defenders it will take more than 2 years for them to realize that Putin may not know what he is doing.

    That'll do dwarf, that'll do.

    Replies: @Sean

    Putin has absolutely got a lot more than he (or anyone else) bargained for. Yes, Kiev had Putin’s number and masterfully acted to preserved their citizens’ lives of peace and security. We all must envy those in Ukraine who enjoy the unalloyed boon of being so prudently governed.

    • LOL: QCIC
  594. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack

    Mr Hack my good friend...... you are one exceptional, brilliant, crazy Russian! You are a true patriot, showing me a beautiful photo with the great Russian Imperial double-headed Eagle all across the Bell Tower! WTF were you thinking?

    Saint Sophia's cathedral is of course 1 billion percent Russian, zero percent "Ukrainian" and Kiev is a totally Russian city.

    As for Leontovich/Carol of the Bells - Malorossiya=Russia. Kiev where he was trained and educated and song composed.... is total Russian city. Petliurite scum financed with German/Austrian money after they lost repeatedly and disgraced themselves post 1917, promoted culture in North America that they stole from the Russian world and had zero connection to (the years these music groups and organisations formed is no coincidence, very insidious)
    There is nothing to suggest the song was derivative of anything sang over the centuries in Galicia.

    In the 1923 foto in Argentina that you linked Hack, shows the choir wearing vishivankas closer in appearance to Polish and Moldovan national dresses (like a mixture) , than most of the differing styles across 404.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    You are a true patriot, showing me a beautiful photo with the great Russian Imperial double-headed Eagle all across the Bell Tower! WTF were you thinking?

    I never even noticed the double eagle on the belltower of the St. Sophia cathedral. and wasn’t at all concerned about its presence. Thanks to your exceptional eyesight (the symbols are slightly blurred in the photo, at least to me), however, we can now discuss this interesting symbolic appearance. With just a few clicks of my mouse, I was able to find a very good scholarly article that deals specifically with this issue: “THE DOUBLE-HEADED EAGLE IN THE STUCCO MOLDING OF THE BELL TOWER AND THE HOLY GATE OF ST. SOPHIA OF KYIV”

    I thought that this appearance was a bit strange, as most of us all know, huge amounts of funds were donated by Hetman Ivan Mazepa towards the restoration of this cathedral (in addition to 18 other
    church restoration projects and the construction of 12 new churches during his reign), and that he had a serious falling out with the Russian emperor. Here’s a much better photo of what we’re discussing for anybody else here interested in the topic:

    I’ll let the author of this article, Dr. Natalia Nikitenko explain in her own words how and why this occurred:

    First of all, I would like to note that the above-mentioned St. Sophia shrines were created during the heyday of the Ukrainian Cossack state – the Hetmanate, and both the above mentioned figures were outstanding personalities of our history and culture, Ukrainian patriots, generous donors who built the national state and the Church. In addition, at the beginning of the 18th century, when the Bell Tower was built, Mazepa’s relations with the Russian Tsar Peter I became sharply worse, so the Hetman, who soon rose up against him, could not glorify the predatory Russian Tsar here. In fact, the hetman, who evidently saw the image of the double-headed eagle on Ukrainian monuments as historical symbols of national sovereignty, glorified the Ukrainian state and himself as its leader. It is not for nothing that his banner from the hetman’s capital Baturyn, which is kept in the Kharkiv Historical Museum, features a double-headed eagle – a symbol of his power, reminiscent of St. Sophia phenomena.

    The double eagle symbol was used throughout the areas associated with Byzantine culture. Here’s a photo of Mazepa’s personal banner that also included this symbolism:

    Much more depth is offered within the complete article:
    https://st-sophia.org.ua/en/monuments-reveal-from-scientific-works-of-employees/the-double-headed-eagle-in-the-stucco-molding-of-the-bell-tower-and-the-holy-gate-of-st-sophia-of-kyiv/

    • Thanks: AP
    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack

    Will answer this another time. Much cretinism to reply to my good friend Mr Hack! Like the sun rising in the morning, a contemporary ukrop "historian" writing anti-historical vomit is a certainty.


    I will ask though - what are your favourite monuments/building/place of culture etc that you have visited in Ukraine ?( group them into Tsarist/Soviet/Hapsburg places) ......and do the same for the place I think you mentioned before you came from (Bukovina) without the Tsarist category obviously. Also place of nature.

    Anyway......
    С Рождеством!!

    , @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack

    LMAO, Mr Hack, my good (but dimwit) friend! 2 things are certainties:

    1.That the sun will rise in the morning
    2. A contemporary ukrop "historian" will write anti-historical vomit, requiring the brain of an amoeba to believe.


    and that he had a serious falling out with the Russian emperor.
     
    He had no "falling out" with him Hack - he just betrayed him like the typical scumbag that classifies as a "Ukrainian" "hero". There is nothing genetic or historical/cultural that can classify someone as "Ukrainian", but parasitic lowlife treachery to serve foreign masters appears to be a mental characteristic of those with the disorder of "Ukrainianism".

    Peter the Great was providing funds, military, friendship to Mazepa, who was was in regular contact with Peter and confidante/friend to him.

    Several prominent Cossacks were executed by Peter because he refused to believe that Mazepa was going to betray him after they warned him he was going to join the Swedish idiots ( who pillaged numerous Orthodox churches under the allowance of Mazepa). As Peter was providing much to Mazepa, on the other side Mazepa sent numerous peasants to help build Saint Petersburg.

    Clearly, it was inexplicable to Peter the 1st that Mazepa would betray him

    huge amounts of funds were donated by Hetman Ivan Mazepa towards the restoration of this cathedral (in addition to 18 other church
     
    Those "huge amounts of funds" were from human traffiking. Selling "Ukrainian" (i.e Russian) peasants as slaves to the Crimean Khanate or the Ottomans after abducting them. There is no other way he could have been richer than Menshikov.
    Those churches were built by decree of Peter the Great and by and for the RUSSIAN ORTHODOX church.
    Kiev was BOUGHT by the previous Tsar under the direction of the Russian Orthodox Church also. "Ukrainianism" had nothing to do with it now being a part of a Ukraine state - I am not even sure if Mazepa had ANY administration over it at the time.

    The double eagle symbol was used throughout the areas associated with Byzantine culture. Here’s a photo of Mazepa’s personal banner that also included this symbolism:
     
    Hack, you gay cretin..........1. This is total nonsense by this stupid bitch - it's clearly the Russian gerb there. There is even the Orb and Spectre in the Eagles talons - which couldn't make it more obvious this is Russian Imperial symbol

    2. How many Orthodox places, except Russia, were ruled by Orthodox leaders at the time? So saying "areas associated with Byzantine culture" is more nonsense as the Ottomans/A-H/Poles were not very supportive of this imagery.

    3. He was a citizen of the RUSSIAN Empire you dimwit Hack. Its only the shield that is Mazepa's in the gerb, the entire remainder is clearly to indicate he is Russian citizen serving interests of Russian state.

    Oh......and that shield is nowhere on the Russian Imperial Double-headed Eagle on the Bell-tower

    Ukrainian patriots, generous donors who built the national state and the Church
     
    There was no such thing at the time as "Ukrainian" or "Ukrainian patriots", they did not build any "national state" (the Getmanate was not a "state" in any form, except in the fantasies of ukronazis). That church was the RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH!!!!!

    In addition, at the beginning of the 18th century, when the Bell Tower was built,

     

    Is that a euphemism for "not built when Mazepa was alive"!!!?? As far as I know, the bell-tower now was built much later, maybe even a century later ( could be incorrect on that), by Russians.
    It makes zero sense that Peter or subsequent Tsars would allow Mazepa's symbol to be on the bell-tower considering how strong the reaction was to Mazepa for centuries you clown! THINK before you quote some ukronazi bitch "historian" in the future Mr Hack.
  595. @Sean
    @John Johnson


    Ukraine didn’t qualify for NATO and wasn’t in the process of applying. You do acknowledge that verifiable reality?
     
    I suppose you are trying to sell the idea that Russia acted impetuously, but this was a geopolitical conflict and hostilities are opened by one side, not by mutual agreement on what constitutes a casus belli. Such legalism is reminiscent of an episode of Ripping Yarns set in a 1913 in which the Germans were trying to 'start the war a year early, without telling anyone'. Putin put the West on notice in 2007 that Russia was under o obligation whatsoever to respect the decisions of Washington about what happened on Russia's borders. It was no secret that Russia invaded Georgia in 208 and undercover invaded easternmost Ukraine in 2014, annexing Crimea into the bargain. In 2015 formed up Battalion Tactical Groups of the Russian army were sent into Ukraine. Putin's wrong move was to stop them in return for the Minks accords, which Ukraine later said it did not consider itself bound by.

    Why would military force be required if Ukraine had not even initiated the pre-application process? [...]
     
    As you well know Bush tried to get Ukraine suddenly admitted as a full member in 2008 without it going through any such lengthy rigmarole as other countries were required to before joining, and such is the influence of Washington in Nato that Nato issued official statements in 2008 and every year after 2008 saying that Ukraine would join Nato.

    Did Putin invade the wrong country?
     
    He invaded the country that his diplomats had warned since 2007 would cease to exist if it didn't stop trying trying to join Nato. So instead of Putin wondering if he was going to wake up one morning and find Ukraine was a full Nato member, which Russia could not invade without starting WW3, he decided to not wait any longer.

    Replies: @sudden death, @QCIC, @John Johnson

    Bush tried to get Ukraine suddenly admitted as a full member in 2008 without it going through any such lengthy rigmarole as other countries were required to before joining

    Where is this coming from, any source to refer? Cause UA, like Georgia, was aiming in 2008 for getting MAP from NATO, which has nothing to do with any immediate membership, but both never got even such remote option.

  596. @AnonfromTN
    A four-year old girl badly wounded by Ukie attack on Belgorod has died in hospital.

    This attack was such a heinous crime that even usually toothless and spineless UN condemned it, while the US State Department hypocritically said that the US does not encourage attacks like that.

    Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova called Ukies terrorist animals. I think she was too polite, and her comparison with the Ukie scum unjustifiably offended animals.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    A four-year old girl badly wounded by Ukie attack on Belgorod has died in hospital.

    Horrible. Another victim of Putin’s war. He certainly has a lot of Ukrainian and Russian blood on his hands.

    Most of the damage to civilian areas in Belgorod like much of the damage to civilian areas in Ukraine. was caused by defense missiles or by debris from shot down missiles (see after “more”). It’s funny to see you claim that somehow it is very different depending on which civilians are killed. All Ukrainian civilians are killed by Ukrainian anti-aircraft weapons but all Russian civilians are killed deliberately by the Ukrainians.

    But since you like jokes:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    Such differing perspectives on "collateral damage" often boil down to perceptions of who fired the first shot in the conflict. My understanding is the Ukrainians fired on people in Donbas in 2014 under the presumption that the Donbassers were criminals rejecting the authority of Kiev. From this view the people in Donbas started the conflict and subsequent Russian involvement to defend them was an escalation. Russians believe the Ukrainians fired on the people in Donbas illegitimately and therefore Kiev escalated the conflict which began with the Western-sponsored Maidan coup.

    Third parties recognize the situation was clearly manipulated by Western external forces to create the situation which is still unfolding. Ultimately, it boils down to Western powers influencing Kiev to change the status quo ante by force. They thought they could get away with it under the time honored belief that might makes right. Russia disagreed.

    , @AnonfromTN
    @AP

    Tell you what, Ukie propaganda must learn to be subtler, not this ham-handed.

    First, only dumb Ukies could believe that Ukie commenters and channels posing as Russian can fool anyone with a few brain cells to rub together.

    Second, the “joke” is obviously a Ukie invention: a) most “info” about the residence of Russian officials’ relatives is untrue, almost all of these fakes were invented and spread by Ukies; b) even a kindergarten child in Russia would answer “Kiev”.

    Replies: @AP

  597. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    The genuine item is called Grandfather Frost (Дед Мороз).
     
    Дед Мороз was supposed to be a substitute for St. Nicholas, as the elevation of New Years was supposed to eclipse the Christmas holidays in the new Communist ideology to root out the Christian holidays. It's telling that you don't know this and consider Дед Мороз to be the "genuine item". :-(

    https://life.pravda.com.ua/images/doc/d/b/db19fab--mykolai.jpg

    https://youtu.be/TqNTPFOynBM

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

    Ded Moroz and Santa are parallels. Both were 19th century inventions loosely based both on Saint Nicholas and on pagan ideas. And both were used ot glorify post-Christian cultures; in America, materialist consumerism, and in the USSR, Soviet atheist New Years as replacement for Christmas.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Correct, but we were discussing the advents of Ded Moroz and Sviatij Mykoli (not Santa Clause), especially as relates to Ukrainian culture. Watch the video that I included for a great treatment of the subject matter.

  598. Reading The Populist Delusion by Neema Parvini atm.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Sher Singh

    Never heard of him, but looking up his name reminded me that I've still never read Shakespeare, other than Macbeth in highschool. Must be the single biggest hole in all my life's reading.

    , @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Some people call him Pakidemic Agent, which is doubly amusing as his father was from Iran.

    Hard to see him as a proper dissident, as he seems to embrace trannies.

    Some may also accuse him like Disraeli of trying to stir up trouble with the Irish, to help obfuscate his origins.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @LondonBob

  599. Turns out about the only sane point Karlin made in his entire “Manifesto” (ok, I skimmed 90% of it) was his critique of the Unz Review:

    One common failure mode is OD’ing on red pills, which boomers seem especially susceptible to it. The classic case, of course, is Ron Unz. In the mid-2010s, he created a webzine that looked set to become the major hub for the Dissident Right by uniting the HBD/IQ community – Steve Sailer, Razib Khan, Audacious Epigone, Peter Frost, JayMan, Guillaume Durocher, James Thompson (I lobbied in the last two, and tried to get hbd*chick hired too) [I wonder what that was about?] – with a roster of anti-interventionist paleocons, leftist anti-imperialists, Geopolitics Brains, and humorist oddballs such as Fred Reed that briefly gave it a unique blend of high-brow commentary and ideological pizzazz. Imagine something like Quillette, but not overrun by neocons and Zionist activists.

    But this vision was not to be, because Ron Unz decided it would be a great idea to go all in on Holocaust Denial and other conspiracy theories from the Suvorov Hypothesis to COVID as American bioweapon. This roughly coincided with The Unz Review beginning to get increasingly populated by JQ obsessives, many of whom were amusingly themselves Jews. It was as if he was on some achievement quest to collect all the world’s most prominent self-hating Jews on his website. One of these was Israel Shamir, an unusually odious individual even by JQ standards, who apart from being a general conspiracy retard amusingly once lectured me on my insufficient anti-Semitism while campaigning to get Sputnik & Pogrom banned in Russia on account of their “Nazism” (aka not licking Putin’s boots hard enough).

    I still don’t understand what the logic behind any of it was. Possibly it was a case of runaway contrarianism, as Ben Sixsmith suggested. Or perhaps popularizing his interesting views on certain historical events was the plan from the beginning, but hardly feasible to push through The American Conservative, and pointless as a standalone publication on a personal website with a marginal readership. Certainly it put the kibosh on Unz’s political ambitions, which ranged from reforming Harvard admissions system to attempting to exert influence over the Trump administration.

    Imagine if that had worked, and Trumpism’s lodestar had become the UR columnists of c.2015-17, as opposed to right-wing rag Breitbart, which its own founder Bannon once publicly dismissed as a non-serious media outlet. It would at least have been less cringe. It remains unclear to me why Unz thought JQ punditry and penetrating the pronouncedly Jewish and pro-Zionist Trump administration were mutually compatible projects. However, his real achievement was arguably even more impressive. It is a supreme irony that Ron Unz, a Jew, has become probably the world’s most highly cited anti-Semitic scholar. That a Jew ends up dominating even this field would seem to vindicate the HBD thesis of high Jewish IQ and intellectual accomplishment that Unz otherwise strenuously denies. [LOL]

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yevardian

    55 000 words.

    https://akarlin.com/intellectual-restructuring/

    All we need to know is he is a singularity fan. Sounds like he wants to join the cult if he hasn't already.

    https://thenetworkstate.com/dashboard

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @John Johnson
    @Yevardian

    An interesting but false thesis.

    This statement simply isn't true:
    This roughly coincided with The Unz Review beginning to get increasingly populated by JQ obsessives, many of whom were amusingly themselves Jews. It was as if he was on some achievement quest to collect all the world’s most prominent self-hating Jews on his website.

    The top bloggers are not Jewish and routinely criticize Israel and the Jewish lobby. Kevin Barrett for example is a White Muslim and very popular.

    The real problem is the level of group think on anything related to Jews. Unz seems to attract posters of all nationalities that hate Jews or at least believe they are responsible for most wars and global conflicts. They are more interested in blaming Jews than determining what is true or false in the media.

    For example I was called a Jew for believing the Hamas concert attack happened. Videos were being posted directly to the internet by Hamas and numerous posters suggested they were fake and created by Israel.

    After the anti-Jew collective accepted that the attack happened I was called a Jew for believing that children had been kidnapped. I was also called a Jew for stating that I don't support kidnapping in any context.

    Video was released of Hamas terrorists holding up kidnapped children for ransom.

    Now I'm called a Jew for believing that rape happened.

    The anti-Jew groupthink here is unreal. Even though both the attack and the kidnapping happened the collective has decided that the rape accusations must be fake unless live video is released. This is a childish avoidance of reality. These same posters pride themselves on not watching the MSM but seem to think they aren't biased like mainstream liberals or conservatives even though they clearly refuse to accept unwanted realities and will just throw out "you're a Jew" until faced with irrefutable evidence. They are not at all interested facing basic realities. If GoPro videos of a Hamas attack are posted to the internet then it probably happened. There is no reason to assume it is a conspiracy being propagated by Jewish posters. It's fine to remain skeptical but there is no reason to assume an event is fake when the attackers are posting their own videos.

    Unz is in many ways a social experiment that shows most people are uninterested in unfiltered news. They think they want alternative media but really just want equally biased media that suits a different set of values. The want Kevin Barrett instead of Wolf Blitzer.

    Unz however has been a success in revealing pundits that have zero interest in being based in reality. During COVID there was an anti-vaxx blogger that turned off the comments because his claims would be torn apart in minutes. He would spend all weekend on an anti-vaxx article and 3-4 posters would rip it apart. The open forum format revealed that his outlook was simply too biased. It just didn't work.

    , @AP
    @Yevardian

    This part and the following section are very good and worth reading:

    https://akarlin.com/the-z-of-history/#The_Last_Letter_in_the_Alphabet

    I was never interested in science fiction and thus didn’t read the AI speculation.

    , @Gerard1234
    @Yevardian


    That a Jew ends up dominating even this field would seem to vindicate the HBD thesis of high Jewish IQ and intellectual accomplishment that Unz otherwise strenuously denies. [LOL]
     
    Nice point - but its a fact that a jew saying or hosting people saying anti-rootless cosmopolitan and anti-Zionist things is more likely to be taken seriously, or less possible to have a campaign to get the website removed.......than if its a non-Jew saying the same things.

    Same principle could occur with a black guy self-hating.

    American Jew Zionist "comedians" , entertainers, film producers etc exploit and make money off anti-semitic stuff all the time - "jokes" about the Holocaust, having films with stereotypical vile Jewish characters ( Tom Cruise played one in a blatant Jewish produce film), the guy with the horses head on his bed in The Godfather, the Jew who does that Borat thing has used blatant anti-jew stuff to make money.
    Mel Gibson does a film that isn't anti-semitic at all, and mostly Jews in powerful American entertainment position start squealing about it. It looks like the film was independently produced (i.e not Jewish) and it making alot of money must have been the driving force in the "anti-semitic" allegations.

    That doesn't mean there should be lunatic theories blaming Jews for every possible event ( like the french journalists getting shot dead).....but the issue is very complex.

    I am convinced, that among other groups, Jewish Pogrom-descended scum in America and Canada are playing the highest role in the anti-Russian policies of the west. They are effectively holocaust-deniers......well, they can't live with the fact that Russians stopped the holocaust. Not other Jews like in France, Argentina , Germany, Israel ......but some North American pogrom-descended weirdo's ( and 1970's Soviet emigree Jew pricks)

    Replies: @Derer

  600. @Sher Singh
    Reading The Populist Delusion by Neema Parvini atm.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @songbird

    Never heard of him, but looking up his name reminded me that I’ve still never read Shakespeare, other than Macbeth in highschool. Must be the single biggest hole in all my life’s reading.

  601. @Sher Singh
    Reading The Populist Delusion by Neema Parvini atm.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @songbird

    Some people call him Pakidemic Agent, which is doubly amusing as his father was from Iran.

    Hard to see him as a proper dissident, as he seems to embrace trannies.

    Some may also accuse him like Disraeli of trying to stir up trouble with the Irish, to help obfuscate his origins.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @songbird


    Some may also accuse him like Disraeli of trying to stir up trouble with the Irish, to help obfuscate his origins.
     
    You might expect this from Ed Dutton, but AA being half Iranian and half Welsh it was surprising. I thought he had been reading too much Thomas Carlyle.

    The book is pretty good, it introduces the Italian elite theorists, Carl Schmitt and Bertrand de Jouvenel who are worth looking into. I am waiting for the 'Boomer Truth Regime' book he is planning, it should be another one worth reading as that sort of cultural topic is something AA has a lot of background in.

    He does accept trannies, at the same time he seems to be open to WW2 revisionism, so there is a balance. I doubt he would survive in academia now if they were aware of his YouTube content.
    , @LondonBob
    @songbird

    Doesn't he have an ongoing fuel with Keith Woods? Both have value, even the troon does, listened to a few of the scrumpmonkey videos.

    Replies: @songbird

  602. @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    Ded Moroz and Santa are parallels. Both were 19th century inventions loosely based both on Saint Nicholas and on pagan ideas. And both were used ot glorify post-Christian cultures; in America, materialist consumerism, and in the USSR, Soviet atheist New Years as replacement for Christmas.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Correct, but we were discussing the advents of Ded Moroz and Sviatij Mykoli (not Santa Clause), especially as relates to Ukrainian culture. Watch the video that I included for a great treatment of the subject matter.

  603. @John Johnson
    @Mr. Hack

    Also, it looks to me like this poll was taken within a city, probably Moscow. If a similar one were to be taken somewhere more rural (like in most of Russia) I’m sure that the results would be even more slanted against Putler.

    That seems to be the case.

    Dictators normally have more support in rural areas even if their men are more likely to be sent to the front. This is how Franco built his army. He had all these rural young men that worked basic jobs and had zero interest in the left. It annoyed the leftists to no end for them to be fighting laborers and farm boys.

    What shocked me in the 1420 interviews were the rural Babushkas. They seem to be the most pro-war. They certainly view it as the responsibility of 18 year old men to go die for Putin and not ask questions.

    Something very disturbing about old grannies that would help round up men for the killing machine.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    They’re referred to as “Baba Yaga” in Russian:

  604. @Hyperborean
    First the assassination of Hamas big wig Saleh al-Arouri in Lebanon, now a mass bombing killing 73 so far with 171 wounded at a mass memorial at Soleimani's cemetery.

    Is it actually habbening, or are the Iranians going to cuck and this will be just another victory for nothing-ever-happens-cels?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @ShortOnTime

    Fwiw, I may have to reassess my previous forecast of Israel easily finishing off Gaza in due time.

    The fact that it seems Israel is preparing to invade Lebanon (South Lebanon and Beirut presumably) even before Gaza has been completely finished, changes some of the previously held assumptions that Israel would take its time with Gaza while not escalating the war elsewhere.

    On the one hand, the more open terrain of hills and valleys in South Lebanon would make it easier for Israel to invade Lebanon than Gaza. Then again, Hezbollah has a lot more formidable military capabilities than Hamas such as a presumably significant reserve of precision guided munitions (PGM) rockets and heavy artillery. The concept of a prolonged occupation (even 50 years?) of Southern Lebanon by Israel doesn’t seem to be strategically sound as a lengthy occupation not only by Israel, but even allied Christian militias, is what already failed in South Lebanon from the 1980’s to early 2000’s.

    It feels like Israel is behaving like a reckless gambler that doesn’t know when to call it a night at the casino and cash in their gains instead of making ever more brazen and reckless gambits which could possibly cause them to crash and burn someday (probably later rather than sooner).

    • Replies: @A123
    @ShortOnTime


    it seems Israel is preparing to invade Lebanon (South Lebanon and Beirut presumably) even before Gaza has been completely finished
     
    This does not seem to be the case at all. The usual loud voices are saying the predictable extreme things. However, they do not appear to be shaping policy.

    Rather the reverse is in play. Israel is using air power to prevent Hezbollah from organizing a large scale offensive. This heads off public pressure for a counter offensive into Lebanon.

    A reduction in Gaza tempo is coming. Keeping a full activation of reservists in the field is quite expensive. Cutting back on troops under arms points clearly against any major ground action in Lebanon.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @ShortOnTime

  605. @Sean
    @John Johnson


    Ukraine didn’t qualify for NATO and wasn’t in the process of applying. You do acknowledge that verifiable reality?
     
    I suppose you are trying to sell the idea that Russia acted impetuously, but this was a geopolitical conflict and hostilities are opened by one side, not by mutual agreement on what constitutes a casus belli. Such legalism is reminiscent of an episode of Ripping Yarns set in a 1913 in which the Germans were trying to 'start the war a year early, without telling anyone'. Putin put the West on notice in 2007 that Russia was under o obligation whatsoever to respect the decisions of Washington about what happened on Russia's borders. It was no secret that Russia invaded Georgia in 208 and undercover invaded easternmost Ukraine in 2014, annexing Crimea into the bargain. In 2015 formed up Battalion Tactical Groups of the Russian army were sent into Ukraine. Putin's wrong move was to stop them in return for the Minks accords, which Ukraine later said it did not consider itself bound by.

    Why would military force be required if Ukraine had not even initiated the pre-application process? [...]
     
    As you well know Bush tried to get Ukraine suddenly admitted as a full member in 2008 without it going through any such lengthy rigmarole as other countries were required to before joining, and such is the influence of Washington in Nato that Nato issued official statements in 2008 and every year after 2008 saying that Ukraine would join Nato.

    Did Putin invade the wrong country?
     
    He invaded the country that his diplomats had warned since 2007 would cease to exist if it didn't stop trying trying to join Nato. So instead of Putin wondering if he was going to wake up one morning and find Ukraine was a full Nato member, which Russia could not invade without starting WW3, he decided to not wait any longer.

    Replies: @sudden death, @QCIC, @John Johnson

    Sean wrote:

    Putin’s wrong move was to stop [Russian troops in Ukraine in 2015] in return for the [Minsk] accords…

    The Russian leadership would have preferred the Minsk accords to work out, but the delay between 2015 and 2022 bought them time to prepare for a serious conflict with NATO. These very gradual economic and military preparations were only partially completed by 2022. Comparing military strengths in 2015 and 2022, NATO was initially stronger and Russia was weaker. The first round of post-Crimea sanctions had not yet been used to “ruggedize” the Russian economy by partially decoupling from the West. General Hodges was still in command of the US Army in Europe. His demeanor since 2021 suggests he would have been eager to take a NATO ‘peacekeeping force’ into Ukraine in 2015.

    Russia was not ready to pursue the SMO in 2015.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @QCIC

    Going by the results against Ukraine since 2021, Russia was very underprepared for a war against Nato.The evidence strongly suggests that America--for reasons that ought to be obvious-- is very chary about even indirectly inflicting absolute conventional defeat on Russia in Ukraine. I think Washington's objective is to limit the Russian victory, and make them unable to attack Nato countries, although as mentioned above, in 2o21 they were already unable to attack Nato with any prospect of success. The fighting is between the Russian armed forces and the Ukrainian army, which was not working effectively in 2015 and would not have been quickly destroyed in any large scale fighting.

  606. Somehow, I just happened upon this great, surrealistic Russian cartoon from the 1980’s. I’m sharing it here as a permanent testament of my appreciation of Russian culture and my new found friendship with Geraldina, enjoy:

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Makes me have sympathy with those hardliners in the army who put Gorbi under house arrest.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  607. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    A four-year old girl badly wounded by Ukie attack on Belgorod has died in hospital.
     
    Horrible. Another victim of Putin's war. He certainly has a lot of Ukrainian and Russian blood on his hands.

    Most of the damage to civilian areas in Belgorod like much of the damage to civilian areas in Ukraine. was caused by defense missiles or by debris from shot down missiles (see after "more"). It's funny to see you claim that somehow it is very different depending on which civilians are killed. All Ukrainian civilians are killed by Ukrainian anti-aircraft weapons but all Russian civilians are killed deliberately by the Ukrainians.

    But since you like jokes:

    https://i.imgur.com/wW6xvQ8.png



    https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1742497910510538907?s=20

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

    Such differing perspectives on “collateral damage” often boil down to perceptions of who fired the first shot in the conflict. My understanding is the Ukrainians fired on people in Donbas in 2014 under the presumption that the Donbassers were criminals rejecting the authority of Kiev. From this view the people in Donbas started the conflict and subsequent Russian involvement to defend them was an escalation. Russians believe the Ukrainians fired on the people in Donbas illegitimately and therefore Kiev escalated the conflict which began with the Western-sponsored Maidan coup.

    Third parties recognize the situation was clearly manipulated by Western external forces to create the situation which is still unfolding. Ultimately, it boils down to Western powers influencing Kiev to change the status quo ante by force. They thought they could get away with it under the time honored belief that might makes right. Russia disagreed.

  608. @ShortOnTime
    @Hyperborean

    Fwiw, I may have to reassess my previous forecast of Israel easily finishing off Gaza in due time.

    The fact that it seems Israel is preparing to invade Lebanon (South Lebanon and Beirut presumably) even before Gaza has been completely finished, changes some of the previously held assumptions that Israel would take its time with Gaza while not escalating the war elsewhere.

    On the one hand, the more open terrain of hills and valleys in South Lebanon would make it easier for Israel to invade Lebanon than Gaza. Then again, Hezbollah has a lot more formidable military capabilities than Hamas such as a presumably significant reserve of precision guided munitions (PGM) rockets and heavy artillery. The concept of a prolonged occupation (even 50 years?) of Southern Lebanon by Israel doesn't seem to be strategically sound as a lengthy occupation not only by Israel, but even allied Christian militias, is what already failed in South Lebanon from the 1980's to early 2000's.

    It feels like Israel is behaving like a reckless gambler that doesn't know when to call it a night at the casino and cash in their gains instead of making ever more brazen and reckless gambits which could possibly cause them to crash and burn someday (probably later rather than sooner).

    Replies: @A123

    it seems Israel is preparing to invade Lebanon (South Lebanon and Beirut presumably) even before Gaza has been completely finished

    This does not seem to be the case at all. The usual loud voices are saying the predictable extreme things. However, they do not appear to be shaping policy.

    Rather the reverse is in play. Israel is using air power to prevent Hezbollah from organizing a large scale offensive. This heads off public pressure for a counter offensive into Lebanon.

    A reduction in Gaza tempo is coming. Keeping a full activation of reservists in the field is quite expensive. Cutting back on troops under arms points clearly against any major ground action in Lebanon.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @ShortOnTime
    @A123


    A reduction in Gaza tempo is coming. Keeping a full activation of reservists in the field is quite expensive.

     

    Maybe. Or perhaps Israel is shifting its brigades onto the front against Hezbollah (the latest package of 155mm artillery ammunition that Blinken provided to Israel just before new years eve was directed against Hezbollah). The Lebanon border with Hezbollah is the most challenging front that Israel faces compared to Gaza, the West Bank and the Golan heights.

    Either way, it's clear that dehydration and starvation will take more of a toll in Gaza.


    Rather the reverse is in play. Israel is using air power to prevent Hezbollah from organizing a large scale offensive.

     

    Air superiority (one could arguably speak of air domination in the case of Israel against Hamas, the other Palestinian armed groups and Hezbollah) isn't everything in war. Concealment, cover and dispersion mean that operational and tactical practices taking advantage of the natural terrain and geography, including built-up urban areas and fortifications, to some degree negates the advantages of air superiority and the power of heavy weaponry in general (this core aspect of war is what's commonly overlooked by all the high technology weapons and firepower enthusiasts). Anyway, Hezbollah is unlikely to attack Israel in any major ground offensive beyond the skirmishing it's been doing since soon after October 7th (aside from Israel's overall relative firepower superiority, the IDF's well prepared and entrenched fortified positions make that clear).

    Replies: @A123

  609. @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Some people call him Pakidemic Agent, which is doubly amusing as his father was from Iran.

    Hard to see him as a proper dissident, as he seems to embrace trannies.

    Some may also accuse him like Disraeli of trying to stir up trouble with the Irish, to help obfuscate his origins.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @LondonBob

    Some may also accuse him like Disraeli of trying to stir up trouble with the Irish, to help obfuscate his origins.

    You might expect this from Ed Dutton, but AA being half Iranian and half Welsh it was surprising. I thought he had been reading too much Thomas Carlyle.

    The book is pretty good, it introduces the Italian elite theorists, Carl Schmitt and Bertrand de Jouvenel who are worth looking into. I am waiting for the ‘Boomer Truth Regime’ book he is planning, it should be another one worth reading as that sort of cultural topic is something AA has a lot of background in.

    He does accept trannies, at the same time he seems to be open to WW2 revisionism, so there is a balance. I doubt he would survive in academia now if they were aware of his YouTube content.

    • Thanks: songbird
  610. @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    Got anymore tasty excepts?
    I might take a look at his schizo manifesto myself (is it on PDF?), would be an fun contrast to what I'm just finishing now, the Ur-Rightoid and 'Father of Racism', Arthur Gobineau. A lot of 1850s mental gymnastics 'proving' that after "Adamite Man", every known Civilisation, including the Chinese, Semites ("Assyrians"), Mexicans and Andeans, was originally founded and subsequently only maintained by white Aryans.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel, @Coconuts

    Did you manage to read the multi-volume version or one of the shorter ones? I have an abridged ‘best of’ Gobineau on race issues, I was thinking the full essay would be heavy going. Parvini seems to have read it.

    I was wanting to find some book in a language I can read about the reception of Gobineau in Germany but couldn’t see anything obvious on the topic.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Coconuts

    It was a compilation, translated into English. The whole blurb just warns about how seductively evil the book's contents are, and there's a lengthy critical introduction (didn't it) as well further elaborating on how incredibly dangerous reading Gobineau is for anyone not already innoculated against rightoid thought.

    It includes the first chapter of 'The Inequality of the Human Races' in full, where he outlines his main theory, then it breaks off into a page summarising the contents of the next 4 chapters, then provides his conclusion in full.

    Reading Gobineau's extremely pessimistic conclusion predicting the inevitable, irreversible death of all human creativity, progress and vitality, long before the human animal itself will go extinct, reminded me strongly of Houellebecq actually. Particularly his novel "The Possibility of an Island", probably the most miserable of all his works, with the least sympathetic and even loathesome protagonist (who mentions casually in passing that his son commited suicide, and the world was probably better off for that). Both of which say a lot considering Houllebecq's novels generally.

    There's an image posted of the blurb of the Gobineau compilation so you can see what I mean.

    https://twitter.com/haravayin_hogh/status/1738139654518665385

    Replies: @Coconuts

  611. @Yevardian
    Turns out about the only sane point Karlin made in his entire "Manifesto" (ok, I skimmed 90% of it) was his critique of the Unz Review:

    One common failure mode is OD’ing on red pills, which boomers seem especially susceptible to it. The classic case, of course, is Ron Unz. In the mid-2010s, he created a webzine that looked set to become the major hub for the Dissident Right by uniting the HBD/IQ community – Steve Sailer, Razib Khan, Audacious Epigone, Peter Frost, JayMan, Guillaume Durocher, James Thompson (I lobbied in the last two, and tried to get hbd*chick hired too) [I wonder what that was about?] – with a roster of anti-interventionist paleocons, leftist anti-imperialists, Geopolitics Brains, and humorist oddballs such as Fred Reed that briefly gave it a unique blend of high-brow commentary and ideological pizzazz. Imagine something like Quillette, but not overrun by neocons and Zionist activists.

    But this vision was not to be, because Ron Unz decided it would be a great idea to go all in on Holocaust Denial and other conspiracy theories from the Suvorov Hypothesis to COVID as American bioweapon. This roughly coincided with The Unz Review beginning to get increasingly populated by JQ obsessives, many of whom were amusingly themselves Jews. It was as if he was on some achievement quest to collect all the world’s most prominent self-hating Jews on his website. One of these was Israel Shamir, an unusually odious individual even by JQ standards, who apart from being a general conspiracy retard amusingly once lectured me on my insufficient anti-Semitism while campaigning to get Sputnik & Pogrom banned in Russia on account of their “Nazism” (aka not licking Putin’s boots hard enough).

    I still don’t understand what the logic behind any of it was. Possibly it was a case of runaway contrarianism, as Ben Sixsmith suggested. Or perhaps popularizing his interesting views on certain historical events was the plan from the beginning, but hardly feasible to push through The American Conservative, and pointless as a standalone publication on a personal website with a marginal readership. Certainly it put the kibosh on Unz’s political ambitions, which ranged from reforming Harvard admissions system to attempting to exert influence over the Trump administration.

    Imagine if that had worked, and Trumpism’s lodestar had become the UR columnists of c.2015-17, as opposed to right-wing rag Breitbart, which its own founder Bannon once publicly dismissed as a non-serious media outlet. It would at least have been less cringe. It remains unclear to me why Unz thought JQ punditry and penetrating the pronouncedly Jewish and pro-Zionist Trump administration were mutually compatible projects. However, his real achievement was arguably even more impressive. It is a supreme irony that Ron Unz, a Jew, has become probably the world’s most highly cited anti-Semitic scholar. That a Jew ends up dominating even this field would seem to vindicate the HBD thesis of high Jewish IQ and intellectual accomplishment that Unz otherwise strenuously denies. [LOL]
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson, @AP, @Gerard1234

    55 000 words.

    https://akarlin.com/intellectual-restructuring/

    All we need to know is he is a singularity fan. Sounds like he wants to join the cult if he hasn’t already.

    https://thenetworkstate.com/dashboard

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Hmmm.

    Ted Kaczynski's manifesto ~ 35,000 words

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  612. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    A four-year old girl badly wounded by Ukie attack on Belgorod has died in hospital.
     
    Horrible. Another victim of Putin's war. He certainly has a lot of Ukrainian and Russian blood on his hands.

    Most of the damage to civilian areas in Belgorod like much of the damage to civilian areas in Ukraine. was caused by defense missiles or by debris from shot down missiles (see after "more"). It's funny to see you claim that somehow it is very different depending on which civilians are killed. All Ukrainian civilians are killed by Ukrainian anti-aircraft weapons but all Russian civilians are killed deliberately by the Ukrainians.

    But since you like jokes:

    https://i.imgur.com/wW6xvQ8.png



    https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1742497910510538907?s=20

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN

    Tell you what, Ukie propaganda must learn to be subtler, not this ham-handed.

    First, only dumb Ukies could believe that Ukie commenters and channels posing as Russian can fool anyone with a few brain cells to rub together.

    Second, the “joke” is obviously a Ukie invention: a) most “info” about the residence of Russian officials’ relatives is untrue, almost all of these fakes were invented and spread by Ukies; b) even a kindergarten child in Russia would answer “Kiev”.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Second, the “joke” is obviously a Ukie invention: a) most “info” about the residence of Russian officials’ relatives is untrue, almost all of these fakes were invented and spread by Ukies
     
    You think most Russians don’t assume that Russian officials’ relatives live abroad?

    You are one of the most gullible people out there but you doubt that Lavrov’s daughter lived in New York? How do you suppose she got her degree from Columbia?

    Peskov’s daughter:

    https://www.brusselstimes.com/220076/kremlin-kids-living-it-up-in-the-west

    As a young girl, Peskova attended the elite French school Ecole des Roches, just outside of Paris. The registration fee is €35,000 a year and flying lessons are part of extra-curricular activities. After being educated at a boarding school, Peskova did an internship at Louis Vuitton and got a marketing diploma at a French business school. Then, she completed an internship at the European Parliament.

    She hasn't hidden her preference for the West. She told the Russian news site Gazeta.ru in 2017 that the education system in Russia is "a real hell" and that she just "feels better in a European environment".

    :::::::::::::

    If it were a movie it would be a very funny dark comedy: these guys making such decisions send their kids abroad and live great lives, Moscow where the lower elites live is a wonder-city, while Donbas cities get obliterated and 100,000+ suckers mostly from poor Russian provincial towns get their guts blown out in some Ukrainian fields. While you cheer it on from the comfort of Tennessee, living off money given to you by your American hosts whom you consider to be dumb suckers (but you at least admit that they are decent). However dumb they may be, Americans at least don’t allow themselves to get killed by 100,000+ in some field as Russians have unfortunately allowed their government to do in a war of choice that you support.

    BLM is another would-be dark comedy. Sadly, these are not from movies and real people die.

    Btw Russians have admitted that their troops draw fire into residential areas in Donbas:

    https://twitter.com/adnashmyash/status/1742821456021467519?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234, @Mr. Hack

  613. @Sean
    @John Johnson


    Ukraine didn’t qualify for NATO and wasn’t in the process of applying. You do acknowledge that verifiable reality?
     
    I suppose you are trying to sell the idea that Russia acted impetuously, but this was a geopolitical conflict and hostilities are opened by one side, not by mutual agreement on what constitutes a casus belli. Such legalism is reminiscent of an episode of Ripping Yarns set in a 1913 in which the Germans were trying to 'start the war a year early, without telling anyone'. Putin put the West on notice in 2007 that Russia was under o obligation whatsoever to respect the decisions of Washington about what happened on Russia's borders. It was no secret that Russia invaded Georgia in 208 and undercover invaded easternmost Ukraine in 2014, annexing Crimea into the bargain. In 2015 formed up Battalion Tactical Groups of the Russian army were sent into Ukraine. Putin's wrong move was to stop them in return for the Minks accords, which Ukraine later said it did not consider itself bound by.

    Why would military force be required if Ukraine had not even initiated the pre-application process? [...]
     
    As you well know Bush tried to get Ukraine suddenly admitted as a full member in 2008 without it going through any such lengthy rigmarole as other countries were required to before joining, and such is the influence of Washington in Nato that Nato issued official statements in 2008 and every year after 2008 saying that Ukraine would join Nato.

    Did Putin invade the wrong country?
     
    He invaded the country that his diplomats had warned since 2007 would cease to exist if it didn't stop trying trying to join Nato. So instead of Putin wondering if he was going to wake up one morning and find Ukraine was a full Nato member, which Russia could not invade without starting WW3, he decided to not wait any longer.

    Replies: @sudden death, @QCIC, @John Johnson

    Ukraine didn’t qualify for NATO and wasn’t in the process of applying. You do acknowledge that verifiable reality?

    I suppose you are trying to sell the idea that Russia acted impetuously, but this was a geopolitical conflict and hostilities are opened by one side, not by mutual agreement on what constitutes a casus belli.

    So you don’t deny the verifiable reality that Ukraine didn’t qualify?

    Ukraine hasn’t qualified since 2014 because they have an unstable border. Do you acknowledge that?

    Putin put the West on notice in 2007 that Russia was under o obligation whatsoever to respect the decisions of Washington about what happened on Russia’s borders.

    It was Putin in 2008 who said that they have no border qualms with Ukraine. The idea of invading Ukraine developed after the pro-Russian Ukrainian president was removed for corruption. He was denounced as corrupt and accused of murder by his own pro-Russian party.

    As you well know Bush tried to get Ukraine suddenly admitted as a full member in 2008 without it going through any such lengthy rigmarole as other countries were required to before joining

    That is false and shows you don’t understand how NATO works.

    Here is Bush in 2008 stating that Ukraine and Georgia should be given membership application plans (the pre-application process):
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/01/nato.georgia

    Which again leads to the question of why didn’t Russia wait until Ukraine had initiated the process.

    Why don’t you cite evidence of your claim or just be another Putin defender that was caught making stuff up. This is a pattern that Mr. Hack and I have exposed numerous times. You guys all seem to isolate yourselves to pro-Putin websites and have a hard time with an open forum.

    • Agree: sudden death, Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @John Johnson

    Thanks for the link about actual official Bush (last term and leaving the politics roughly after 6-7 months then) position in 2008 instead of some previous hallucinations posted here:


    "This is a misperception," Bush said after talks with in Kiev. "I strongly believe that Ukraine and Georgia should be given MAP [Membership Action Plans], and there are no tradeoffs - period."
     
    Also reminder for all what is NATO MAP option, which is not giving any official obligations for NATO to accept participants later into membership, but even that was always refused to give both for UA and Georgia:

    The Membership Action Plan (MAP) is a NATO programme of advice, assistance and practical support tailored to the individual needs of countries wishing to join the Alliance. Participation in the MAP does not prejudge any decision by the Alliance on future membership.Bosnia and Herzegovina is currently participating.

    Participation in the MAP helped prepare the seven countries that joined NATO in the second post-Cold War round of enlargement in 2004 (Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia) as well as Albania and Croatia, which joined in April 2009. Montenegro, which joined the MAP in December 2009, became a member of the Alliance in June 2017. The Republic of North Macedonia, which had been participating in the MAP since 1999, joined NATO in March 2020.

    Currently, Bosnia and Herzegovina is participating in the MAP, having been invited to do so in 2010. At the time, Allied foreign ministers called on the authorities in Bosnia and Herzegovina to resolve a key issue concerning the registration of immovable defence property to the state. At their meeting in December 2018, foreign ministers decided that NATO is ready to accept the submission of Bosnia and Herzegovina’s first Annual National Programme under the MAP. The registration of immovable defence property to the state remains essential.
     

    https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_37356.htm

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Sean
    @John Johnson


    That is false and shows you don’t understand how NATO works.
     
    I know how the world works.

    So you don’t deny the verifiable reality that Ukraine didn’t qualify?
     
    Your point is purely technical and ignores that having lost but a singe round it was open to the US to keep trying to convince the holdout members to admit Ukraine, and there were several countries that agreed including Britain. Although there is no such official position created for it, in practice the man in the White House is de facto leader of Nato and President Bush. tried to get Ukraine admitted to Nato as a full member even though previous candidates for member of Nato had had to go through a lengthy qualifying process before being put up for full membership. So there was not anything impossible about Ukraine being admitted in 2008, it just that the US was unable to get a couple of countries in line that time.
    Merkel defends 2008 decision to block Ukraine from NATO.

    France 24
    https://www.france24.com › France 24 › Live news
    4 Apr 2022 — Former German chancellor Angela Merkel on Monday defended her 2008 decision to block Ukraine from immediately joining NATO, ...
     
    In 2008 Putin narrowly escaped waking up one morning to find that Ukraine was a full member of Nato, but had to process that there was and official announcement--reiterated each year since-- that Ukraine was going at some undetermined point in the future to become a member of Nato. You own link says that along with telling Russia whether Ukraine joined was none of the Kremlins business, Bush "also said that there could be no deal with Moscow over the US administration's contentious plans to locate elements of its controversial missile defence system in eastern Europe."

    Which again leads to the question of why didn’t Russia wait until Ukraine had initiated the process.
     
    Because at any time after the 2008 announcement--agreed to by all members-- that Ukraine would someday join, American pressure could lead to Germany and France dropping their objections and Ukraine could suddenly join, and as a full member of Nato host US missile bases that compromised Russian security.

    Ukraine hasn’t qualified since 2014 because they have an unstable border. Do you acknowledge that?
     
    More legalism. A few months after Nato's 'Ukraine and Georgia' will join Nato (someday) announcement, Russia invaded Georgia and the US became less enthusiastic about trying to bring Ukraine into Nato. Six years later after internal strifem a Ukrainian government that wanted to break the remaining ties with Russia came to power and, fantastic as it seems, thought sidling up to the West would be the best way to reduce RusFed and ethnicRussian Ukrainian's proRussia influence over and interference in Ukrainian politics.

    Putin promptly annexed Crimea, undercover invaded Donbass, trounced an ineffective Ukrainian army and got what he wanted: the Ukrainian government agreed to give the Donbass, where the population included many ethnic Russians, substantial autonomy including what was in effect a built in veto against Ukraine becoming a member of Nato. Six years later it became clear to Putin that Ukraine was not going to homour the agreement whith it considered unfair, and he atempted another 2014 style operation but Ukraine was now a formidable opponent and so we are now in a full scale war in which whole cities in east Ukraine are being literally leveled and Ukrainian men decimated while Russia is being weakened economical demographically and morale-wise even as it inexorably advances is to what will be in material terms at most a rather Pyrrhic victory. Is Putin the only one to blame for all this?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Beckow, @sudden death

    , @Derer
    @John Johnson


    The idea of invading Ukraine developed after the pro-Russian Ukrainian president was removed for corruption.
     
    Not for corruption (convenient lie) but for refusing to allow Pentagon military base on Crimea. It is inconceivable for Russians to have a warmongering enemy military base on Crimea, it was rightfully returned to Russians by referendum. Would Washington allow Russian military base in Tijuana?

    You have a tunnel vision decease that you refuse to treat. Washington gang treat N.Korea with more respect than Russia, the no. 1 nuclear military power - there is no winning in nuclear conflict. Insults, like imposition of sanctions or theft of Russian assets are provocative criminal actions with long term consequences.
  614. @AnonfromTN
    @AP

    Tell you what, Ukie propaganda must learn to be subtler, not this ham-handed.

    First, only dumb Ukies could believe that Ukie commenters and channels posing as Russian can fool anyone with a few brain cells to rub together.

    Second, the “joke” is obviously a Ukie invention: a) most “info” about the residence of Russian officials’ relatives is untrue, almost all of these fakes were invented and spread by Ukies; b) even a kindergarten child in Russia would answer “Kiev”.

    Replies: @AP

    Second, the “joke” is obviously a Ukie invention: a) most “info” about the residence of Russian officials’ relatives is untrue, almost all of these fakes were invented and spread by Ukies

    You think most Russians don’t assume that Russian officials’ relatives live abroad?

    You are one of the most gullible people out there but you doubt that Lavrov’s daughter lived in New York? How do you suppose she got her degree from Columbia?

    Peskov’s daughter:

    https://www.brusselstimes.com/220076/kremlin-kids-living-it-up-in-the-west

    As a young girl, Peskova attended the elite French school Ecole des Roches, just outside of Paris. The registration fee is €35,000 a year and flying lessons are part of extra-curricular activities. After being educated at a boarding school, Peskova did an internship at Louis Vuitton and got a marketing diploma at a French business school. Then, she completed an internship at the European Parliament.

    She hasn’t hidden her preference for the West. She told the Russian news site Gazeta.ru in 2017 that the education system in Russia is “a real hell” and that she just “feels better in a European environment”.

    :::::::::::::

    If it were a movie it would be a very funny dark comedy: these guys making such decisions send their kids abroad and live great lives, Moscow where the lower elites live is a wonder-city, while Donbas cities get obliterated and 100,000+ suckers mostly from poor Russian provincial towns get their guts blown out in some Ukrainian fields. While you cheer it on from the comfort of Tennessee, living off money given to you by your American hosts whom you consider to be dumb suckers (but you at least admit that they are decent). However dumb they may be, Americans at least don’t allow themselves to get killed by 100,000+ in some field as Russians have unfortunately allowed their government to do in a war of choice that you support.

    BLM is another would-be dark comedy. Sadly, these are not from movies and real people die.

    Btw Russians have admitted that their troops draw fire into residential areas in Donbas:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    She told the Russian news site Gazeta.ru in 2017 that the education system in Russia is “a real hell” and that she just “feels better in a European environment”.
     
    Gentle reminder: now is 2024. Last year was 2023. Do simple math.

    Your other assertions come from the sources that are just as credible. No need to respond (people who do not know that 2x2=5 is a lie do not deserve to be convinced otherwise). Like I said before, Ukie propaganda must learn to be subtler, not this ham-handed.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP


    You are one of the most gullible people out there but you doubt that Lavrov’s daughter lived in New York? How do you suppose she got her degree from Columbia?
     
    LMAO. Lavrov was the UN Ambassador, so lived in New York for a long time you retarded dumbfuck! Even when committing another lie, you manage to use the past tense "lived" when talking about Lavrov's daughter in New York - she lives in Russia from before SMO, works on a magazine I think. Clearly it's a stupid example for a retard like you to give. Now go through every other major official you useless idiot. Same thing with Churkin and probably same thing with current Russian (and ukrop, and British, and German) ambassadors to the UN.

    Peskov is a spokesman for the President, i.e not an official you retard. He is divorced, and where his libtard daughter with the divorced wife lives is of zero interest

    You think most Russians don’t assume that Russian officials’ relatives live abroad?
     
    Human garbage like you is of course not in any position to make any assumptions about what most Russians assume , you diseased POS.

    If you had a brain, or any knowledge of Russia, or had visted Russia or had any connections there you would know nepotism for the children is far more what liberasts or some others are going to claim about Russian officials.......not their children living abroad.

    Patrushev's (head of FSB) son finds it difficult to live abroad........he's a very successful agriculture minister. Peskov's son is serving in the SMO. One of Shoigu's daughters is head at psychological assistance centre for M.Ch.S- her husband is one of the main prosecutors in the country. One of Putin's daughters has job or director at a Russian scientific-research institute

    With Patrushev,results have proved it a merited appointment - for the 2 ladies listed those are jobs of serious professionals, dedicated people looking to serve their country, not overindulged "golden youth" parasitic scum. Then there are those working as directors at Banks, oil/gas/other resource companies, tv etc. who could be there on merit, could be nepotism....but either way are achieving good results and are IN Russia you dipshit.


    Ukrop elite are obviously too incompetent and corrupt to even be close to the position where they can have one of their family be in place to be given a nepotism position in a top state office/department . They are of course though big receivers of high-paying nepotism ( which is effectively a law in Ukraine), but just not for the high-publicity positions.

    Ukrop elite scum before and after the SMO were sending their kids & wives to live in the west....if they are lucky have a Russian kid in the school for them to be friends with. Of course the Nazi scum have every incentive to continue with the mass annihilation of ukrops, as they and their families can get treated like kings in the west.

    There is also the issue that since 2014 for Russia ,having officials 'children live and study abroad has been difficult, since 2022 impossible. Also, stupid idiot, officials could easily just claim Putin "corrupt", SMO " failing" "100000 dead", "going to lose Crimea" , "trying to kill me like Skripal comedy poisoning" and other mindnumbingly cretinous BS - and give interviews with this nonsense to CNN etc - and ask for and get refugee status living in some mansion in a western country. The incentive to defect if unpatriotic has never been greater.

    For those that have sent their children to live abroad - many (particularly former officials) have done but unless the money used has been corrupt , then it is understandable, even acceptable to have done this from 1991 until 2008 (Gruzian war), maybe even until 2011....but most certainly not from after 2014.

    Poroshenko's son, like every other ukrop "elite" long before the SMO ,lives and goes to school in UK. Also video shown where can't speak a word of Ukrainian, totally Russian. As his scumbag father enhanced anti-Russian language laws as President since 2014, and was a supporter of the Orange Revolution.....this is inexplicable, but typical for 404. LOL.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    While you cheer it on from the comfort of Tennessee, living off money to you by your American hosts whom you consider to be dumb suckers (but you at least admit that they are decent).
     
    I sometimes wonder how Janissary's American's hosts would react if they knew about his unmitigated kremlin stooge activities and opinions? He is an ungrateful lout here and was a bad apple when he lived in Ukraine.

    Replies: @QCIC

  615. Okay, I read the Why Jail is Programmed for All Rightoids section of Karlin’s manifesto. At least that part is pretty hilarious (I haven’t read the rest).

    But, if one truly believes we are living in the final days of humanity before AGI radically changes the human condition for better or worse, aside from getting in a jab at backstabbing former associates, what does any of it matter?

    Even Karlin’s niche topic. Why hodl crypto currency? So what if it goes exponential right before the end? What is the point of ephemeral wealth?

    A lot of the issue was likely Karlin’s overhyped “shock and disbelief” rhetoric leading to a sharp reaction against it as he was naturally disappointed (same thing that probably turned Hanania from a promoter of the new world order under Xi Dada to a Fukuyama-cel).

    But in defence of Karlin, even if he seems to have actively turned himself into a lowcow, I can see how alienating the fixation on a lot of popular rightist bugbears are to witness.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Hyperborean

    He is lost. His immune system is now part of Bill Gates' investment portfolio.

    Have you ever had a close friend who destroyed their body with recreational drugs?

    This link was broken when I looked at it.

    https://live.staticflickr.com/6140/5949409762_1364f90483_h.jpg

  616. @Yevardian
    Turns out about the only sane point Karlin made in his entire "Manifesto" (ok, I skimmed 90% of it) was his critique of the Unz Review:

    One common failure mode is OD’ing on red pills, which boomers seem especially susceptible to it. The classic case, of course, is Ron Unz. In the mid-2010s, he created a webzine that looked set to become the major hub for the Dissident Right by uniting the HBD/IQ community – Steve Sailer, Razib Khan, Audacious Epigone, Peter Frost, JayMan, Guillaume Durocher, James Thompson (I lobbied in the last two, and tried to get hbd*chick hired too) [I wonder what that was about?] – with a roster of anti-interventionist paleocons, leftist anti-imperialists, Geopolitics Brains, and humorist oddballs such as Fred Reed that briefly gave it a unique blend of high-brow commentary and ideological pizzazz. Imagine something like Quillette, but not overrun by neocons and Zionist activists.

    But this vision was not to be, because Ron Unz decided it would be a great idea to go all in on Holocaust Denial and other conspiracy theories from the Suvorov Hypothesis to COVID as American bioweapon. This roughly coincided with The Unz Review beginning to get increasingly populated by JQ obsessives, many of whom were amusingly themselves Jews. It was as if he was on some achievement quest to collect all the world’s most prominent self-hating Jews on his website. One of these was Israel Shamir, an unusually odious individual even by JQ standards, who apart from being a general conspiracy retard amusingly once lectured me on my insufficient anti-Semitism while campaigning to get Sputnik & Pogrom banned in Russia on account of their “Nazism” (aka not licking Putin’s boots hard enough).

    I still don’t understand what the logic behind any of it was. Possibly it was a case of runaway contrarianism, as Ben Sixsmith suggested. Or perhaps popularizing his interesting views on certain historical events was the plan from the beginning, but hardly feasible to push through The American Conservative, and pointless as a standalone publication on a personal website with a marginal readership. Certainly it put the kibosh on Unz’s political ambitions, which ranged from reforming Harvard admissions system to attempting to exert influence over the Trump administration.

    Imagine if that had worked, and Trumpism’s lodestar had become the UR columnists of c.2015-17, as opposed to right-wing rag Breitbart, which its own founder Bannon once publicly dismissed as a non-serious media outlet. It would at least have been less cringe. It remains unclear to me why Unz thought JQ punditry and penetrating the pronouncedly Jewish and pro-Zionist Trump administration were mutually compatible projects. However, his real achievement was arguably even more impressive. It is a supreme irony that Ron Unz, a Jew, has become probably the world’s most highly cited anti-Semitic scholar. That a Jew ends up dominating even this field would seem to vindicate the HBD thesis of high Jewish IQ and intellectual accomplishment that Unz otherwise strenuously denies. [LOL]
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson, @AP, @Gerard1234

    An interesting but false thesis.

    This statement simply isn’t true:
    This roughly coincided with The Unz Review beginning to get increasingly populated by JQ obsessives, many of whom were amusingly themselves Jews. It was as if he was on some achievement quest to collect all the world’s most prominent self-hating Jews on his website.

    The top bloggers are not Jewish and routinely criticize Israel and the Jewish lobby. Kevin Barrett for example is a White Muslim and very popular.

    The real problem is the level of group think on anything related to Jews. Unz seems to attract posters of all nationalities that hate Jews or at least believe they are responsible for most wars and global conflicts. They are more interested in blaming Jews than determining what is true or false in the media.

    For example I was called a Jew for believing the Hamas concert attack happened. Videos were being posted directly to the internet by Hamas and numerous posters suggested they were fake and created by Israel.

    After the anti-Jew collective accepted that the attack happened I was called a Jew for believing that children had been kidnapped. I was also called a Jew for stating that I don’t support kidnapping in any context.

    Video was released of Hamas terrorists holding up kidnapped children for ransom.

    Now I’m called a Jew for believing that rape happened.

    The anti-Jew groupthink here is unreal. Even though both the attack and the kidnapping happened the collective has decided that the rape accusations must be fake unless live video is released. This is a childish avoidance of reality. These same posters pride themselves on not watching the MSM but seem to think they aren’t biased like mainstream liberals or conservatives even though they clearly refuse to accept unwanted realities and will just throw out “you’re a Jew” until faced with irrefutable evidence. They are not at all interested facing basic realities. If GoPro videos of a Hamas attack are posted to the internet then it probably happened. There is no reason to assume it is a conspiracy being propagated by Jewish posters. It’s fine to remain skeptical but there is no reason to assume an event is fake when the attackers are posting their own videos.

    Unz is in many ways a social experiment that shows most people are uninterested in unfiltered news. They think they want alternative media but really just want equally biased media that suits a different set of values. The want Kevin Barrett instead of Wolf Blitzer.

    Unz however has been a success in revealing pundits that have zero interest in being based in reality. During COVID there was an anti-vaxx blogger that turned off the comments because his claims would be torn apart in minutes. He would spend all weekend on an anti-vaxx article and 3-4 posters would rip it apart. The open forum format revealed that his outlook was simply too biased. It just didn’t work.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  617. @Hyperborean
    Okay, I read the Why Jail is Programmed for All Rightoids section of Karlin's manifesto. At least that part is pretty hilarious (I haven't read the rest).

    But, if one truly believes we are living in the final days of humanity before AGI radically changes the human condition for better or worse, aside from getting in a jab at backstabbing former associates, what does any of it matter?

    Even Karlin's niche topic. Why hodl crypto currency? So what if it goes exponential right before the end? What is the point of ephemeral wealth?

    A lot of the issue was likely Karlin's overhyped "shock and disbelief" rhetoric leading to a sharp reaction against it as he was naturally disappointed (same thing that probably turned Hanania from a promoter of the new world order under Xi Dada to a Fukuyama-cel).

    But in defence of Karlin, even if he seems to have actively turned himself into a lowcow, I can see how alienating the fixation on a lot of popular rightist bugbears are to witness.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    He is lost. His immune system is now part of Bill Gates’ investment portfolio.

    Have you ever had a close friend who destroyed their body with recreational drugs?

    This link was broken when I looked at it.

  618. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Second, the “joke” is obviously a Ukie invention: a) most “info” about the residence of Russian officials’ relatives is untrue, almost all of these fakes were invented and spread by Ukies
     
    You think most Russians don’t assume that Russian officials’ relatives live abroad?

    You are one of the most gullible people out there but you doubt that Lavrov’s daughter lived in New York? How do you suppose she got her degree from Columbia?

    Peskov’s daughter:

    https://www.brusselstimes.com/220076/kremlin-kids-living-it-up-in-the-west

    As a young girl, Peskova attended the elite French school Ecole des Roches, just outside of Paris. The registration fee is €35,000 a year and flying lessons are part of extra-curricular activities. After being educated at a boarding school, Peskova did an internship at Louis Vuitton and got a marketing diploma at a French business school. Then, she completed an internship at the European Parliament.

    She hasn't hidden her preference for the West. She told the Russian news site Gazeta.ru in 2017 that the education system in Russia is "a real hell" and that she just "feels better in a European environment".

    :::::::::::::

    If it were a movie it would be a very funny dark comedy: these guys making such decisions send their kids abroad and live great lives, Moscow where the lower elites live is a wonder-city, while Donbas cities get obliterated and 100,000+ suckers mostly from poor Russian provincial towns get their guts blown out in some Ukrainian fields. While you cheer it on from the comfort of Tennessee, living off money given to you by your American hosts whom you consider to be dumb suckers (but you at least admit that they are decent). However dumb they may be, Americans at least don’t allow themselves to get killed by 100,000+ in some field as Russians have unfortunately allowed their government to do in a war of choice that you support.

    BLM is another would-be dark comedy. Sadly, these are not from movies and real people die.

    Btw Russians have admitted that their troops draw fire into residential areas in Donbas:

    https://twitter.com/adnashmyash/status/1742821456021467519?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234, @Mr. Hack

    She told the Russian news site Gazeta.ru in 2017 that the education system in Russia is “a real hell” and that she just “feels better in a European environment”.

    Gentle reminder: now is 2024. Last year was 2023. Do simple math.

    Your other assertions come from the sources that are just as credible. No need to respond (people who do not know that 2×2=5 is a lie do not deserve to be convinced otherwise). Like I said before, Ukie propaganda must learn to be subtler, not this ham-handed.

    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Gentle reminder: now is 2024. Last year was 2023. Do simple math
     
    The joke was from when Zhirinovsky was still alive. But it anticipated the future: the biggest victims of Russian bombs have been Russian-speaking people.

    And as we see, your claim that the facts in the joke were wrong was a false one. Lavrov’s daughter did live in New York and Peskov’s daughter did live in France.


    Your other assertions come from the sources that are just as credible
     
    The source was Russian state television directly. The commenter on Russian TV was complaining that in Donbas the Russian forces would fire from positions close to civilian objects, then move quickly, and then Ukrainians would target those positions and as a result destroy civilian objects.

    You assert that Russian experts on Russian state tv lie on behalf of Ukraine?


    Like I said before, Ukie propaganda
     
    So you assert that Russian state TV is “Ukie propaganda?”

    Here is the video from Russian TV again. It starts at about :20.

    https://twitter.com/adnashmyash/status/1742821456021467519?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

  619. @QCIC
    @Sean

    Sean wrote:


    Putin’s wrong move was to stop [Russian troops in Ukraine in 2015] in return for the [Minsk] accords...
     
    The Russian leadership would have preferred the Minsk accords to work out, but the delay between 2015 and 2022 bought them time to prepare for a serious conflict with NATO. These very gradual economic and military preparations were only partially completed by 2022. Comparing military strengths in 2015 and 2022, NATO was initially stronger and Russia was weaker. The first round of post-Crimea sanctions had not yet been used to "ruggedize" the Russian economy by partially decoupling from the West. General Hodges was still in command of the US Army in Europe. His demeanor since 2021 suggests he would have been eager to take a NATO 'peacekeeping force' into Ukraine in 2015.

    Russia was not ready to pursue the SMO in 2015.

    Replies: @Sean

    Going by the results against Ukraine since 2021, Russia was very underprepared for a war against Nato.The evidence strongly suggests that America–for reasons that ought to be obvious– is very chary about even indirectly inflicting absolute conventional defeat on Russia in Ukraine. I think Washington’s objective is to limit the Russian victory, and make them unable to attack Nato countries, although as mentioned above, in 2o21 they were already unable to attack Nato with any prospect of success. The fighting is between the Russian armed forces and the Ukrainian army, which was not working effectively in 2015 and would not have been quickly destroyed in any large scale fighting.

  620. Sher Singh says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    You could or should do a review of AK's review of Barbie. Bonus karma points if you can think of more than one word. : )

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Sher Singh

    Review done.

    Too gay, did not finish.

    Re the Populist book – here’s the main point.
    Rest was filler – although it’s a short book & like a 30m read??

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    We all are fascists now.

    Nick Land used to be progressive. It was not that long ago either.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  621. @Sher Singh
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Review done.

    Too gay, did not finish.

    Re the Populist book - here's the main point.
    Rest was filler - although it's a short book & like a 30m read??

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1150620697639530561/1192367106868662364/image.png?ex=65a8d167&is=65965c67&hm=8475d93765dea13fc6028de1f3db3f4e08005163805dd89d4748aea77047a76e&

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1150620697639530561/1192367360544362506/image.png?ex=65a8d1a3&is=65965ca3&hm=2d03474ea4fb3a44e65906e4f34a72763f2cd597e9ad6d02db0954fdc1394afd&

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    We all are fascists now.

    Nick Land used to be progressive. It was not that long ago either.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Summary of populist delusion

    Leadership is Oligarchal
    Organization is oligarchal; even in democracy
    Customary right; leaders & society oppose downward mobility (similar pos PM to CEO)
    Leadership moves toward power; German Left became pro-war pre WW1
    Knowledge, communication, political skills - key resources of leaders

    Powers either converge (bureaucratize) or compete (feudalism)
    Bureaucracy kills innovation, ambition - bioleninism
    Political theology - violence is mystical
    MAHAKAAL

    mangerialism = collective planning & jobs vs private enterprise & opportunities
    corporate state
    People fight for Monarchy WW1 - drafted for managers WW2
    Large property interests converge w/ corporates (mangerialism) (woke capital)
    media board room techniques


    https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1150620697639530561/1192761928607617076/image.png?ex=65aa411c&is=6597cc1c&hm=6374e5278e658a45f126af5914a2215534bd80b38a317858ede9f0f8e13a1540&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

    https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1150620697639530561/1192761928947335168/image.png?ex=65aa411c&is=6597cc1c&hm=63589b640a23f35d10319f9033f8c77049efc20ad6b16dd6991195731282da33&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

    https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1150620697639530561/1192761929320640562/image.png?ex=65aa411c&is=6597cc1c&hm=db289f00023b75cda8003da6c49eeb78c881873043ff1b4dc2e8d86958c99731&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

    He mentions global structures becoming high & local regions low in team against nation govs.
    He doesn't go as far as saying America Globohomo becomes High vs smaller states?
    Idk.

    HE'S PERSIAN OF COURSE HE ACCEPT TRANNIES
    LMFAO

  622. @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    She told the Russian news site Gazeta.ru in 2017 that the education system in Russia is “a real hell” and that she just “feels better in a European environment”.
     
    Gentle reminder: now is 2024. Last year was 2023. Do simple math.

    Your other assertions come from the sources that are just as credible. No need to respond (people who do not know that 2x2=5 is a lie do not deserve to be convinced otherwise). Like I said before, Ukie propaganda must learn to be subtler, not this ham-handed.

    Replies: @AP

    Gentle reminder: now is 2024. Last year was 2023. Do simple math

    The joke was from when Zhirinovsky was still alive. But it anticipated the future: the biggest victims of Russian bombs have been Russian-speaking people.

    And as we see, your claim that the facts in the joke were wrong was a false one. Lavrov’s daughter did live in New York and Peskov’s daughter did live in France.

    Your other assertions come from the sources that are just as credible

    The source was Russian state television directly. The commenter on Russian TV was complaining that in Donbas the Russian forces would fire from positions close to civilian objects, then move quickly, and then Ukrainians would target those positions and as a result destroy civilian objects.

    You assert that Russian experts on Russian state tv lie on behalf of Ukraine?

    Like I said before, Ukie propaganda

    So you assert that Russian state TV is “Ukie propaganda?”

    Here is the video from Russian TV again. It starts at about :20.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @AP

    Projection? Ukies do it all the time. In fact, their anti-missile rockets repeatedly hit residential buildings in Ukrainian cities because their launchers are located in residential areas.

    Or maybe sour grapes: despite their ruthlessness and disregard for human life, Ukies are losing badly. It is said: ‘Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it’. Russia annihilated Nazis in 1945, will do it again. My condolences.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP


    The source was Russian state television directly. The commenter on Russian TV was complaining that in Donbas the Russian forces would fire from positions close to civilian objects, then move quickly, and then Ukrainians would target those positions and as a result destroy civilian objects.

    You assert that Russian experts on Russian state tv lie on behalf of Ukraine?
     
    Obviously nothing gets confirmed as a definitive lie more than when a diseased sociopathic POS as yourself provides a link to it! An incredible amount of commentators time has been wasted by an attention-whore sewer-rat like you providing fake/deceitful links on here. So without looking at a single second of the video .......I can safely conclude:

    1. It's not true
    2. It's 1 million percent a video from 2014/15 not the SMO
    3. Put there because it's clear projection.
    4. As you are such a thick bimbo, you can't understand why there is absolutely no way that military action would be happening in the SMO, in Donetsk, from Donetsk into ukronazi controlled areas.
    5. Moving on from the date issue, which totally destroys your nonsense, in addition it will be a total distortion of what the Russian commentator was saying. Almost as bad as khokhol "historians" writings.


    One of the reasons why it was so important to drive the Nazi excrement out of Donetsk Airport in 2015 ( of course, with these scum they were not supposed to be there after the first Minsk Agreement)was because it was the primary launching area for the ukroswine to fire into Donetsk, primarily at civilians and civilian infrastructure. No air power used after July 2014 , made its importance as a launchpad for firing into Donetsk and terrorise these great people even more obvious.

    Getting the vermin out of there was one of the key drivers for the next agreement, and with it and a few more annihilations of the ukronazis at the time of or within a few days after that next Minsk agreement....greatly reduced military action towards LDNR occurred. Its not in dispute that ukronazis targeted civilians and civilian infrastructure in Donetsk:

    1. Before armed resistance in Donbass
    2.During armed resistance in Donbass
    3. After Minsk 2 Agreement

    Lavrov’s daughter did live in New York
     
    I answered this bimbo nonsense before you retard. Lavrov was UN Ambassador ( so living in New York) for several years. As such it is idiotic to try and make any point involving his daughter studying there. You faking being"Ukrainian" and wasting millions of hours on here while not allowing a desperate Ukrainian family to share the place you reside in (while American government has made this an easy thing to do and will sponsor)......is of course less so obvious to explain.

    Replies: @Derer, @AP

  623. @songbird
    @Sher Singh

    Some people call him Pakidemic Agent, which is doubly amusing as his father was from Iran.

    Hard to see him as a proper dissident, as he seems to embrace trannies.

    Some may also accuse him like Disraeli of trying to stir up trouble with the Irish, to help obfuscate his origins.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @LondonBob

    Doesn’t he have an ongoing fuel with Keith Woods? Both have value, even the troon does, listened to a few of the scrumpmonkey videos.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LondonBob

    There is some ongoing drama between AA and Woods. Hard to understand.


    Both have value, even the troon does,
     
    I think AA's had a few different trannies on. Forget the name of one but I found even the voice pattern deeply disturbing. I mean on the level of core instinct, not abstraction.

    Replies: @LondonBob

  624. @John Johnson
    @Sean


    Ukraine didn’t qualify for NATO and wasn’t in the process of applying. You do acknowledge that verifiable reality?
     
    I suppose you are trying to sell the idea that Russia acted impetuously, but this was a geopolitical conflict and hostilities are opened by one side, not by mutual agreement on what constitutes a casus belli.

    So you don't deny the verifiable reality that Ukraine didn't qualify?

    Ukraine hasn't qualified since 2014 because they have an unstable border. Do you acknowledge that?

    Putin put the West on notice in 2007 that Russia was under o obligation whatsoever to respect the decisions of Washington about what happened on Russia’s borders.

    It was Putin in 2008 who said that they have no border qualms with Ukraine. The idea of invading Ukraine developed after the pro-Russian Ukrainian president was removed for corruption. He was denounced as corrupt and accused of murder by his own pro-Russian party.

    As you well know Bush tried to get Ukraine suddenly admitted as a full member in 2008 without it going through any such lengthy rigmarole as other countries were required to before joining

    That is false and shows you don't understand how NATO works.

    Here is Bush in 2008 stating that Ukraine and Georgia should be given membership application plans (the pre-application process):
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/01/nato.georgia

    Which again leads to the question of why didn't Russia wait until Ukraine had initiated the process.

    Why don't you cite evidence of your claim or just be another Putin defender that was caught making stuff up. This is a pattern that Mr. Hack and I have exposed numerous times. You guys all seem to isolate yourselves to pro-Putin websites and have a hard time with an open forum.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Sean, @Derer

    Thanks for the link about actual official Bush (last term and leaving the politics roughly after 6-7 months then) position in 2008 instead of some previous hallucinations posted here:

    “This is a misperception,” Bush said after talks with in Kiev. “I strongly believe that Ukraine and Georgia should be given MAP [Membership Action Plans], and there are no tradeoffs – period.”

    Also reminder for all what is NATO MAP option, which is not giving any official obligations for NATO to accept participants later into membership, but even that was always refused to give both for UA and Georgia:

    The Membership Action Plan (MAP) is a NATO programme of advice, assistance and practical support tailored to the individual needs of countries wishing to join the Alliance. Participation in the MAP does not prejudge any decision by the Alliance on future membership.Bosnia and Herzegovina is currently participating.

    Participation in the MAP helped prepare the seven countries that joined NATO in the second post-Cold War round of enlargement in 2004 (Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia) as well as Albania and Croatia, which joined in April 2009. Montenegro, which joined the MAP in December 2009, became a member of the Alliance in June 2017. The Republic of North Macedonia, which had been participating in the MAP since 1999, joined NATO in March 2020.

    Currently, Bosnia and Herzegovina is participating in the MAP, having been invited to do so in 2010. At the time, Allied foreign ministers called on the authorities in Bosnia and Herzegovina to resolve a key issue concerning the registration of immovable defence property to the state. At their meeting in December 2018, foreign ministers decided that NATO is ready to accept the submission of Bosnia and Herzegovina’s first Annual National Programme under the MAP. The registration of immovable defence property to the state remains essential.

    https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_37356.htm

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @sudden death

    Also reminder for all what is NATO MAP option, which is not giving any official obligations for NATO to accept participants later into membership, but even that was always refused to give both for UA and Georgia:

    A very good point.

    I wouldn't put it past Bush to misunderstand the NATO application process but I haven't seen any quotes of him demanding acceptance. Bush has all kinds of botched quotes but all evidence suggests that he understood the process.

    Even before then it was well known that Turkey was a wild card and there was in fact regret over allowing them in. Even if France and Germany could be convinced there was always the possibility of a last minute veto by Turkey.

    Turkey has traditionally taken the side of Russia and they have one foot in the Muslim world. But ironically it was Putin's invasion that pushed Turkey from Russia. Germany and France were adamantly opposed to allowing Ukraine into NATO before the invasion. Turkey quickly allowed in Finland and proposed minimal changes for Sweden. A complete reversal which added more NATO border to Russia than Ukraine. Putin's response was "it doesn't matter" which contradicted all the reasons initially given for the war and repeated by his supporters.

    If NATO was truly the cause then the much more obvious play was to keep Ukraine's border indefinitely contested. Zelensky had in fact backed off on trying to take back Donbas. But even ignoring DPR all Putin has to do is maintain that 1KM of Ukrainian border is actually Russian. That is enough to keep them out of NATO. Ukraine's only chance at qualifying would be to make a deal with Russia or invade DPR/LPR and have Putin recognize their border. Zelensky made it clear that he had no interest in the latter as he did not want to risk a greater war. That meant Putin was in control of their qualifying status.

    All of this together is why I never bought the NATO excuse and neither did Prigozhin or Igor Girkin. Yes of course Russia would like Ukraine to stay out of NATO but the driving factor is Putin's ego and desire for a larger Empire. He is on record stating that the great Tsars expanded Russia, that he could take Ukraine in 2.5 weeks and that it was a tragedy for the USSR to collapse. He is also on record stating that the USSR was a continuation of Russian Empire. If NATO was the motive then there would be a hundred much easier ways of accomplishing the goal. Ukraine was already de facto blocked from NATO because of the border. It just makes zero sense to go for full invasion when they hadn't resolved the border or even initiated the application process (which would immediately fail without a static border). And before the invasion they had both France and Germany against them.

    Of course you will never learn any of that on pro-Putin blogs. They developed a false narrative whereby Zelensky was inserted via a 2014 coup (he was elected in 2019 on a neutral platform) and Ukraine was about to join despite warnings from Russia. This narrative has even been repeated on mainstream conservative websites. It's simply not true for all the reasons given. Must be frustrating to spend that much time on a false narrative. I have far more respect for Putin supporters that know he is a lying mass murderer but simply support him because they hate the West.

    Replies: @Beckow

  625. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yevardian

    55 000 words.

    https://akarlin.com/intellectual-restructuring/

    All we need to know is he is a singularity fan. Sounds like he wants to join the cult if he hasn't already.

    https://thenetworkstate.com/dashboard

    Replies: @QCIC

    Hmmm.

    Ted Kaczynski’s manifesto ~ 35,000 words

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    Chat GPT please take this sample of my writings and write me a re-set manifesto in the general style of Ted Kaczynski so that none of my old friends who read it will ever admit they once knew me.

    Replies: @songbird

  626. @Yevardian
    Turns out about the only sane point Karlin made in his entire "Manifesto" (ok, I skimmed 90% of it) was his critique of the Unz Review:

    One common failure mode is OD’ing on red pills, which boomers seem especially susceptible to it. The classic case, of course, is Ron Unz. In the mid-2010s, he created a webzine that looked set to become the major hub for the Dissident Right by uniting the HBD/IQ community – Steve Sailer, Razib Khan, Audacious Epigone, Peter Frost, JayMan, Guillaume Durocher, James Thompson (I lobbied in the last two, and tried to get hbd*chick hired too) [I wonder what that was about?] – with a roster of anti-interventionist paleocons, leftist anti-imperialists, Geopolitics Brains, and humorist oddballs such as Fred Reed that briefly gave it a unique blend of high-brow commentary and ideological pizzazz. Imagine something like Quillette, but not overrun by neocons and Zionist activists.

    But this vision was not to be, because Ron Unz decided it would be a great idea to go all in on Holocaust Denial and other conspiracy theories from the Suvorov Hypothesis to COVID as American bioweapon. This roughly coincided with The Unz Review beginning to get increasingly populated by JQ obsessives, many of whom were amusingly themselves Jews. It was as if he was on some achievement quest to collect all the world’s most prominent self-hating Jews on his website. One of these was Israel Shamir, an unusually odious individual even by JQ standards, who apart from being a general conspiracy retard amusingly once lectured me on my insufficient anti-Semitism while campaigning to get Sputnik & Pogrom banned in Russia on account of their “Nazism” (aka not licking Putin’s boots hard enough).

    I still don’t understand what the logic behind any of it was. Possibly it was a case of runaway contrarianism, as Ben Sixsmith suggested. Or perhaps popularizing his interesting views on certain historical events was the plan from the beginning, but hardly feasible to push through The American Conservative, and pointless as a standalone publication on a personal website with a marginal readership. Certainly it put the kibosh on Unz’s political ambitions, which ranged from reforming Harvard admissions system to attempting to exert influence over the Trump administration.

    Imagine if that had worked, and Trumpism’s lodestar had become the UR columnists of c.2015-17, as opposed to right-wing rag Breitbart, which its own founder Bannon once publicly dismissed as a non-serious media outlet. It would at least have been less cringe. It remains unclear to me why Unz thought JQ punditry and penetrating the pronouncedly Jewish and pro-Zionist Trump administration were mutually compatible projects. However, his real achievement was arguably even more impressive. It is a supreme irony that Ron Unz, a Jew, has become probably the world’s most highly cited anti-Semitic scholar. That a Jew ends up dominating even this field would seem to vindicate the HBD thesis of high Jewish IQ and intellectual accomplishment that Unz otherwise strenuously denies. [LOL]
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson, @AP, @Gerard1234

    This part and the following section are very good and worth reading:

    https://akarlin.com/the-z-of-history/#The_Last_Letter_in_the_Alphabet

    I was never interested in science fiction and thus didn’t read the AI speculation.

  627. News about poor bankrupt freezing jobless Germany;)

    03.01.2024

    Wiesbaden (dpa) – There was a further increase in the number of people in employment in Germany in 2023. According to the Federal Statistical Office, 45.9 million people were in employment – the highest annual average since reunification in 1990. Compared to the previous record year of 2022, the number of people in employment increased by another 0.7 per cent.

    This means that employment has increased for the third year in succession following the slump in 2020 caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. According to the Federal Statistical Office, more people from Germany were in work and additional labour came from abroad. Nine out of ten additional jobs were created in the service sector, while there was less growth in the manufacturing and construction industries. The number of self-employed persons and family helpers fell by around 30,000 to 3.9 million.

    https://www.deutschland.de/en/news/further-increase-in-the-number-of-people-in-work-in-2023#:~:text=Wiesbaden%20(dpa)%20%E2%80%93%20There%20was,average%20since%20reunification%20in%201990.

    • Replies: @Derer
    @sudden death

    What a rosy picture for Germany in your post, while their GDP declined in 2023 by -0.4 %. What is that growing employment producing?

  628. @John Johnson
    @Derer


    Why would military force be required if Ukraine had not even initiated the pre-application process?
     
    This is the question of a 10 year old. The answer is, the UkieNazi Kiev regime has been killing ethnic Russian in Donbas (15 mill) for 8 years, also banned their language.

    Are you saying 15 million were killed in total?

    Well you should have no problem telling us about the worst attack and listing the number of casualties.

    Please enlighten us.

    Year, attack location and number of casualties. Feel free to use Russian media as a source.

    Replies: @Derer, @Derer

    So no response of substance.

    Read my comment (581) and your stupid and meaningless response (582). Avoiding to address the essence of my post. This site is full of your verbal diarrhea repeating your slogans instead of some mature and objective response. BTW, Bandera was a homosexual, ironically dying from the bullet of his masters – pathetic double agent.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Derer

    Read my comment (581) and your stupid and meaningless response (582). Avoiding to address the essence of my post. This site is full of your verbal diarrhea repeating your slogans instead of some mature and objective response. BTW, .

    You're now maintaining that the invasion was to protect the people of Donbas and the Russian language in those areas? Is that right?

    Should we go over how the violence dropped after 2014 and DPR was running its own Russian language government? Should we look at the UN report on how sectarian violence was rare in 2020?

    Are you going to be the first pro-Putin supporter to source the "mass shelling" spoken of on such websites and without even a date or location? I've asked over 10 Putin supporters and not one has provided even a Russian source. Will you be the first?

    Bandera was a homosexual, ironically dying from the bullet of his masters – pathetic double agent

    I really don't care about some Ukrainian Nazi supporter from WW2. Not sure why you keep mentioning him. There were Nazi turncoats in every single occupied country. There was even a Russian SS unit.

  629. @sudden death
    @John Johnson

    Thanks for the link about actual official Bush (last term and leaving the politics roughly after 6-7 months then) position in 2008 instead of some previous hallucinations posted here:


    "This is a misperception," Bush said after talks with in Kiev. "I strongly believe that Ukraine and Georgia should be given MAP [Membership Action Plans], and there are no tradeoffs - period."
     
    Also reminder for all what is NATO MAP option, which is not giving any official obligations for NATO to accept participants later into membership, but even that was always refused to give both for UA and Georgia:

    The Membership Action Plan (MAP) is a NATO programme of advice, assistance and practical support tailored to the individual needs of countries wishing to join the Alliance. Participation in the MAP does not prejudge any decision by the Alliance on future membership.Bosnia and Herzegovina is currently participating.

    Participation in the MAP helped prepare the seven countries that joined NATO in the second post-Cold War round of enlargement in 2004 (Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia) as well as Albania and Croatia, which joined in April 2009. Montenegro, which joined the MAP in December 2009, became a member of the Alliance in June 2017. The Republic of North Macedonia, which had been participating in the MAP since 1999, joined NATO in March 2020.

    Currently, Bosnia and Herzegovina is participating in the MAP, having been invited to do so in 2010. At the time, Allied foreign ministers called on the authorities in Bosnia and Herzegovina to resolve a key issue concerning the registration of immovable defence property to the state. At their meeting in December 2018, foreign ministers decided that NATO is ready to accept the submission of Bosnia and Herzegovina’s first Annual National Programme under the MAP. The registration of immovable defence property to the state remains essential.
     

    https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_37356.htm

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Also reminder for all what is NATO MAP option, which is not giving any official obligations for NATO to accept participants later into membership, but even that was always refused to give both for UA and Georgia:

    A very good point.

    I wouldn’t put it past Bush to misunderstand the NATO application process but I haven’t seen any quotes of him demanding acceptance. Bush has all kinds of botched quotes but all evidence suggests that he understood the process.

    Even before then it was well known that Turkey was a wild card and there was in fact regret over allowing them in. Even if France and Germany could be convinced there was always the possibility of a last minute veto by Turkey.

    Turkey has traditionally taken the side of Russia and they have one foot in the Muslim world. But ironically it was Putin’s invasion that pushed Turkey from Russia. Germany and France were adamantly opposed to allowing Ukraine into NATO before the invasion. Turkey quickly allowed in Finland and proposed minimal changes for Sweden. A complete reversal which added more NATO border to Russia than Ukraine. Putin’s response was “it doesn’t matter” which contradicted all the reasons initially given for the war and repeated by his supporters.

    If NATO was truly the cause then the much more obvious play was to keep Ukraine’s border indefinitely contested. Zelensky had in fact backed off on trying to take back Donbas. But even ignoring DPR all Putin has to do is maintain that 1KM of Ukrainian border is actually Russian. That is enough to keep them out of NATO. Ukraine’s only chance at qualifying would be to make a deal with Russia or invade DPR/LPR and have Putin recognize their border. Zelensky made it clear that he had no interest in the latter as he did not want to risk a greater war. That meant Putin was in control of their qualifying status.

    All of this together is why I never bought the NATO excuse and neither did Prigozhin or Igor Girkin. Yes of course Russia would like Ukraine to stay out of NATO but the driving factor is Putin’s ego and desire for a larger Empire. He is on record stating that the great Tsars expanded Russia, that he could take Ukraine in 2.5 weeks and that it was a tragedy for the USSR to collapse. He is also on record stating that the USSR was a continuation of Russian Empire. If NATO was the motive then there would be a hundred much easier ways of accomplishing the goal. Ukraine was already de facto blocked from NATO because of the border. It just makes zero sense to go for full invasion when they hadn’t resolved the border or even initiated the application process (which would immediately fail without a static border). And before the invasion they had both France and Germany against them.

    Of course you will never learn any of that on pro-Putin blogs. They developed a false narrative whereby Zelensky was inserted via a 2014 coup (he was elected in 2019 on a neutral platform) and Ukraine was about to join despite warnings from Russia. This narrative has even been repeated on mainstream conservative websites. It’s simply not true for all the reasons given. Must be frustrating to spend that much time on a false narrative. I have far more respect for Putin supporters that know he is a lying mass murderer but simply support him because they hate the West.

    • Agree: sudden death
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You are back denying the nose between your eyes; for 14 years starting in 2008 nobody in the West denied that "Ukraine will join Nato": governments, media, academia. It was only a question of 'when' and the answer was provided: when Kiev is ready.

    The minutia of the process or that France-Germany said that "Ukraine is not ready yet" are irrelevant. If Nato didn't want to provoke the war, they could have stated what you guys so desperately claim now. Or what AP reads into tea-leaves by 'interpreting' it.

    I suppose the 2019 Ukie Constitution stating that "Ukraine will join Nato" also didn't happen? It is the f..ing Constitution! the supreme law of the land. When did Merkel or Macron ever say that Ukraine will not join Nato? No, they only lamely mumbled: "not yet"...Russia saw it for what it was. As would US in similar situation. You don't threaten super-powers as a joke.

    The message, the consensus, the speeches endlessly repeated that "Ukraine will join Nato" and that Russia has no say in it. Then it blew in their face so you decided to flat out lie. In addition to losing the war and not having Kiev in Nato, you are losing dignity. For god's sake, man-up, you lost the crazy project, admit it and move on.

    Replies: @sudden death, @John Johnson

  630. @Derer
    @John Johnson

    So no response of substance.

    Read my comment (581) and your stupid and meaningless response (582). Avoiding to address the essence of my post. This site is full of your verbal diarrhea repeating your slogans instead of some mature and objective response. BTW, Bandera was a homosexual, ironically dying from the bullet of his masters - pathetic double agent.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Read my comment (581) and your stupid and meaningless response (582). Avoiding to address the essence of my post. This site is full of your verbal diarrhea repeating your slogans instead of some mature and objective response. BTW, .

    You’re now maintaining that the invasion was to protect the people of Donbas and the Russian language in those areas? Is that right?

    Should we go over how the violence dropped after 2014 and DPR was running its own Russian language government? Should we look at the UN report on how sectarian violence was rare in 2020?

    Are you going to be the first pro-Putin supporter to source the “mass shelling” spoken of on such websites and without even a date or location? I’ve asked over 10 Putin supporters and not one has provided even a Russian source. Will you be the first?

    Bandera was a homosexual, ironically dying from the bullet of his masters – pathetic double agent

    I really don’t care about some Ukrainian Nazi supporter from WW2. Not sure why you keep mentioning him. There were Nazi turncoats in every single occupied country. There was even a Russian SS unit.

  631. @John Johnson
    @sudden death

    Also reminder for all what is NATO MAP option, which is not giving any official obligations for NATO to accept participants later into membership, but even that was always refused to give both for UA and Georgia:

    A very good point.

    I wouldn't put it past Bush to misunderstand the NATO application process but I haven't seen any quotes of him demanding acceptance. Bush has all kinds of botched quotes but all evidence suggests that he understood the process.

    Even before then it was well known that Turkey was a wild card and there was in fact regret over allowing them in. Even if France and Germany could be convinced there was always the possibility of a last minute veto by Turkey.

    Turkey has traditionally taken the side of Russia and they have one foot in the Muslim world. But ironically it was Putin's invasion that pushed Turkey from Russia. Germany and France were adamantly opposed to allowing Ukraine into NATO before the invasion. Turkey quickly allowed in Finland and proposed minimal changes for Sweden. A complete reversal which added more NATO border to Russia than Ukraine. Putin's response was "it doesn't matter" which contradicted all the reasons initially given for the war and repeated by his supporters.

    If NATO was truly the cause then the much more obvious play was to keep Ukraine's border indefinitely contested. Zelensky had in fact backed off on trying to take back Donbas. But even ignoring DPR all Putin has to do is maintain that 1KM of Ukrainian border is actually Russian. That is enough to keep them out of NATO. Ukraine's only chance at qualifying would be to make a deal with Russia or invade DPR/LPR and have Putin recognize their border. Zelensky made it clear that he had no interest in the latter as he did not want to risk a greater war. That meant Putin was in control of their qualifying status.

    All of this together is why I never bought the NATO excuse and neither did Prigozhin or Igor Girkin. Yes of course Russia would like Ukraine to stay out of NATO but the driving factor is Putin's ego and desire for a larger Empire. He is on record stating that the great Tsars expanded Russia, that he could take Ukraine in 2.5 weeks and that it was a tragedy for the USSR to collapse. He is also on record stating that the USSR was a continuation of Russian Empire. If NATO was the motive then there would be a hundred much easier ways of accomplishing the goal. Ukraine was already de facto blocked from NATO because of the border. It just makes zero sense to go for full invasion when they hadn't resolved the border or even initiated the application process (which would immediately fail without a static border). And before the invasion they had both France and Germany against them.

    Of course you will never learn any of that on pro-Putin blogs. They developed a false narrative whereby Zelensky was inserted via a 2014 coup (he was elected in 2019 on a neutral platform) and Ukraine was about to join despite warnings from Russia. This narrative has even been repeated on mainstream conservative websites. It's simply not true for all the reasons given. Must be frustrating to spend that much time on a false narrative. I have far more respect for Putin supporters that know he is a lying mass murderer but simply support him because they hate the West.

    Replies: @Beckow

    You are back denying the nose between your eyes; for 14 years starting in 2008 nobody in the West denied that “Ukraine will join Nato“: governments, media, academia. It was only a question of ‘when‘ and the answer was provided: when Kiev is ready.

    The minutia of the process or that France-Germany said that “Ukraine is not ready yet” are irrelevant. If Nato didn’t want to provoke the war, they could have stated what you guys so desperately claim now. Or what AP reads into tea-leaves by ‘interpreting’ it.

    I suppose the 2019 Ukie Constitution stating that “Ukraine will join Nato” also didn’t happen? It is the f..ing Constitution! the supreme law of the land. When did Merkel or Macron ever say that Ukraine will not join Nato? No, they only lamely mumbled: “not yet”…Russia saw it for what it was. As would US in similar situation. You don’t threaten super-powers as a joke.

    The message, the consensus, the speeches endlessly repeated that “Ukraine will join Nato” and that Russia has no say in it. Then it blew in their face so you decided to flat out lie. In addition to losing the war and not having Kiev in Nato, you are losing dignity. For god’s sake, man-up, you lost the crazy project, admit it and move on.

    • Agree: QCIC
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Beckow

    Just as nobody in the West ever officially denied that “Turkey will join EU“: governments, media, academia. It was only a question of ‘when‘ and the answer was provided: when Stambul is ready;)

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Beckow

    , @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    You are back denying the nose between your eyes; for 14 years starting in 2008 nobody in the West denied that “Ukraine will join Nato“: governments, media, academia.

    A statement of desire by a politician does not grant some magical ability to evade what is a very clear voting process that even in 2008 was unlikely.

    After 2014 they did not qualify and were opposed by France and Germany. Do you deny that?

    But next time try to use actual quotes.

    The minutia of the process or that France-Germany said that “Ukraine is not ready yet” are irrelevant.

    After 2014 France was opposed to Ukrainian membership on the basis that they did not want to aggravate Russia. It was not because of a technicality.

    Do you really want to go down this path? Just stop already. Admit you have some type of emotional identity connection with Putin and leave it at that.

    Putin has a long list of former associates that were pushed down stairs or fell out of windows. You're trying to believe that a mob dictator with small man's syndrome has acted in principle this entire time.

    It's just a hopeless case.

    It is the f..ing Constitution! the supreme law of the land.

    It is in their constitution but without any requirement that politicians follow it. The US constitution is ignored all the time by US politicians. Just look at the litany of gun laws that were passed this year. I can cite editorials by liberals that talk about how the constitution should be ignored even if the intent was personal firearm ownership. They don't care.

    Zelensky was elected on a neutral platform and had not initiated the pre-application process. They also did not qualify because they had a contested border. Do you deny either?

    The message, the consensus, the speeches endlessly repeated that “Ukraine will join Nato” and that Russia has no say in it.

    Yes there have been politicians that have said they would like Ukraine in NATO. It doesn't change the process and the undisputable fact that they did not qualify in 2021 and did not have the support of France or Germany.

    Finland however qualified but had stayed neutral until Putin broke his word that he wouldn't invade Ukraine and that it was a "training exercise" on the border. Remember that? His massive lie that Ritter not only backed but wrote an editorial on how Russia would never invade a neighboring country?

    Let me ask you the same question: Should Putin have invaded Finland?

    Replies: @Beckow

  632. @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You are back denying the nose between your eyes; for 14 years starting in 2008 nobody in the West denied that "Ukraine will join Nato": governments, media, academia. It was only a question of 'when' and the answer was provided: when Kiev is ready.

    The minutia of the process or that France-Germany said that "Ukraine is not ready yet" are irrelevant. If Nato didn't want to provoke the war, they could have stated what you guys so desperately claim now. Or what AP reads into tea-leaves by 'interpreting' it.

    I suppose the 2019 Ukie Constitution stating that "Ukraine will join Nato" also didn't happen? It is the f..ing Constitution! the supreme law of the land. When did Merkel or Macron ever say that Ukraine will not join Nato? No, they only lamely mumbled: "not yet"...Russia saw it for what it was. As would US in similar situation. You don't threaten super-powers as a joke.

    The message, the consensus, the speeches endlessly repeated that "Ukraine will join Nato" and that Russia has no say in it. Then it blew in their face so you decided to flat out lie. In addition to losing the war and not having Kiev in Nato, you are losing dignity. For god's sake, man-up, you lost the crazy project, admit it and move on.

    Replies: @sudden death, @John Johnson

    Just as nobody in the West ever officially denied that “Turkey will join EU“: governments, media, academia. It was only a question of ‘when‘ and the answer was provided: when Stambul is ready;)

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @sudden death

    Just as nobody in the West ever officially denied that “Turkey will join EU“: governments, media, academia. It was only a question of ‘when‘ and the answer was provided: when Stambul is ready;)

    Let's for the sake of theory say that privately there was actually 100% support and both Germany and France were lying. They were ready to vote and Turkey would have backed them as well.

    Explain how a full military invasion from Russia would be the correct response when Ukraine didn't qualify because of DPR/LPR and hadn't started the pre-application process.

    You do understand why a country with a contested border cannot join a military alliance that is sworn to back with force the invasion of any border? Where is the border exactly? It is undefined and as such cannot be defended.

    Would you like me to source an article on how this was re-iterated by NATO after the invasion? An article in fact that explains it to Ukraine supporters as to why they cannot currently join?

    Just give me one explanation as to why Putin would be unable to keep Ukraine out of NATO by keeping the border contested.

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @Beckow
    @sudden death

    That analogy doesn't work. This is about a bloody war, not about whether Turkey can ship shoes and raisins to EU.

    There were also some EU politicians who denied that Turkey will ever join EU. But name a single EU leader in power who said that Kiev will never be in Nato...it has been a bloody mess and a catastrophic mistake: it will result in a smaller, poorer Ukraine with millions losing their future and hundreds of thousand dead.

    At the end Kiev will definitely not be in Nato...will you admit then that the idiotic plan and the public posturing from Bush to Scholtenberg were a tragic mistake?

    Replies: @sudden death

  633. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Second, the “joke” is obviously a Ukie invention: a) most “info” about the residence of Russian officials’ relatives is untrue, almost all of these fakes were invented and spread by Ukies
     
    You think most Russians don’t assume that Russian officials’ relatives live abroad?

    You are one of the most gullible people out there but you doubt that Lavrov’s daughter lived in New York? How do you suppose she got her degree from Columbia?

    Peskov’s daughter:

    https://www.brusselstimes.com/220076/kremlin-kids-living-it-up-in-the-west

    As a young girl, Peskova attended the elite French school Ecole des Roches, just outside of Paris. The registration fee is €35,000 a year and flying lessons are part of extra-curricular activities. After being educated at a boarding school, Peskova did an internship at Louis Vuitton and got a marketing diploma at a French business school. Then, she completed an internship at the European Parliament.

    She hasn't hidden her preference for the West. She told the Russian news site Gazeta.ru in 2017 that the education system in Russia is "a real hell" and that she just "feels better in a European environment".

    :::::::::::::

    If it were a movie it would be a very funny dark comedy: these guys making such decisions send their kids abroad and live great lives, Moscow where the lower elites live is a wonder-city, while Donbas cities get obliterated and 100,000+ suckers mostly from poor Russian provincial towns get their guts blown out in some Ukrainian fields. While you cheer it on from the comfort of Tennessee, living off money given to you by your American hosts whom you consider to be dumb suckers (but you at least admit that they are decent). However dumb they may be, Americans at least don’t allow themselves to get killed by 100,000+ in some field as Russians have unfortunately allowed their government to do in a war of choice that you support.

    BLM is another would-be dark comedy. Sadly, these are not from movies and real people die.

    Btw Russians have admitted that their troops draw fire into residential areas in Donbas:

    https://twitter.com/adnashmyash/status/1742821456021467519?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234, @Mr. Hack

    You are one of the most gullible people out there but you doubt that Lavrov’s daughter lived in New York? How do you suppose she got her degree from Columbia?

    LMAO. Lavrov was the UN Ambassador, so lived in New York for a long time you retarded dumbfuck! Even when committing another lie, you manage to use the past tense “lived” when talking about Lavrov’s daughter in New York – she lives in Russia from before SMO, works on a magazine I think. Clearly it’s a stupid example for a retard like you to give. Now go through every other major official you useless idiot. Same thing with Churkin and probably same thing with current Russian (and ukrop, and British, and German) ambassadors to the UN.

    Peskov is a spokesman for the President, i.e not an official you retard. He is divorced, and where his libtard daughter with the divorced wife lives is of zero interest

    You think most Russians don’t assume that Russian officials’ relatives live abroad?

    Human garbage like you is of course not in any position to make any assumptions about what most Russians assume , you diseased POS.

    If you had a brain, or any knowledge of Russia, or had visted Russia or had any connections there you would know nepotism for the children is far more what liberasts or some others are going to claim about Russian officials…….not their children living abroad.

    Patrushev’s (head of FSB) son finds it difficult to live abroad……..he’s a very successful agriculture minister. Peskov’s son is serving in the SMO. One of Shoigu’s daughters is head at psychological assistance centre for M.Ch.S- her husband is one of the main prosecutors in the country. One of Putin’s daughters has job or director at a Russian scientific-research institute

    With Patrushev,results have proved it a merited appointment – for the 2 ladies listed those are jobs of serious professionals, dedicated people looking to serve their country, not overindulged “golden youth” parasitic scum. Then there are those working as directors at Banks, oil/gas/other resource companies, tv etc. who could be there on merit, could be nepotism….but either way are achieving good results and are IN Russia you dipshit.

    Ukrop elite are obviously too incompetent and corrupt to even be close to the position where they can have one of their family be in place to be given a nepotism position in a top state office/department . They are of course though big receivers of high-paying nepotism ( which is effectively a law in Ukraine), but just not for the high-publicity positions.

    Ukrop elite scum before and after the SMO were sending their kids & wives to live in the west….if they are lucky have a Russian kid in the school for them to be friends with. Of course the Nazi scum have every incentive to continue with the mass annihilation of ukrops, as they and their families can get treated like kings in the west.

    There is also the issue that since 2014 for Russia ,having officials ‘children live and study abroad has been difficult, since 2022 impossible. Also, stupid idiot, officials could easily just claim Putin “corrupt”, SMO ” failing” “100000 dead”, “going to lose Crimea” , “trying to kill me like Skripal comedy poisoning” and other mindnumbingly cretinous BS – and give interviews with this nonsense to CNN etc – and ask for and get refugee status living in some mansion in a western country. The incentive to defect if unpatriotic has never been greater.

    For those that have sent their children to live abroad – many (particularly former officials) have done but unless the money used has been corrupt , then it is understandable, even acceptable to have done this from 1991 until 2008 (Gruzian war), maybe even until 2011….but most certainly not from after 2014.

    Poroshenko’s son, like every other ukrop “elite” long before the SMO ,lives and goes to school in UK. Also video shown where can’t speak a word of Ukrainian, totally Russian. As his scumbag father enhanced anti-Russian language laws as President since 2014, and was a supporter of the Orange Revolution…..this is inexplicable, but typical for 404. LOL.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234


    LMAO. Lavrov was the UN Ambassador, so lived in New York for a long time
     
    Of course. That's why his daughter was born there.

    Good that you have learned this.

    you manage to use the past tense “lived” when talking about Lavrov’s daughter in New York – she lives in Russia
     
    Unlike you I write correct things. She lived in New York, and then in London before moving to Moscow.

    Peskov is a spokesman for the President, i.e not an official
     
    The president's official spokesman is not a Russian government official?

    I think we are seeing why you had to study civil "engineering" in the USSR. I little slow, aren't you?

    He [Peskov] is divorced, and where his libtard daughter with the divorced wife lives is of zero interest
     
    Of course it is of no interest to you. But the fact is that his daughter and a son live in France.

    If you had a brain, or any knowledge of Russia, or had visted Russia or had any connections there you would know nepotism for the children is far more what liberasts or some others are going to claim about Russian officials
     
    I didn't claim otherwise.

    Is reading hard for you?

    Peskov’s son is serving in the SMO.
     
    Thanks for confirming that you are just another gullible Sovok boomer who lives abroad.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolay_Peskov

    In April 2023, it was reported that Nikolay had joined the Wagner Group and is participating in the Russian invasion of Ukraine as an artillery man,[7] a conflicting report shows that when he claimed to be in Ukraine his Tesla car, which he is the primary driver of, had been seen moving "actively" around Moscow. During this time the car has collected fines as well. The VChK-OGPU Telegram channel also asked Wagner artillerymen if they had seen him, replying: "he was nowhere to be seen in the Bakhmut area." Nikolai Peskov also claimed that he wanted to join Wagner but didn't know how "so I had to turn to my dad...and he helped me with that". Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin said that Dmitry Peskov asked him to "take [Nikolai] on as a simple artilleryman". In September 2022, regarding the 2022 Russian mobilization, Russian journalist Dmitry Nizovtsev, an associate of opposition activist Alexei Navalny, called Nikolay Peskov and pretended to be a military recruitment officer. He asked Mr Peskov why he hadn't shown up to the Moscow call up centre. Mr Peskov replied: "I am Mr Peskov. I'm going to take this matter to another level...I basically need to know what's going on and what my rights are." This call was made live on YouTube.[8][9][10]

    Is that the only example of an elite "fighting" for Russia you could think of?

    One of Putin’s daughters has job or director at a Russian scientific-research institute
     
    One of Putin's daughters lived in the Netherlands until the Dutch protested in 2014 and she returned to Russia.

    Ukrop elite scum before and after the SMO were sending their kids & wives to live in the west
     
    Like Russians. Though Ukrainians have more of an excuse - Russia has better universities than Ukraine does.

    Poroshenko’s son, like every other ukrop “elite” long before the SMO ,lives and goes to school in UK.
     
    His older son volunteered to serve in ATO (maybe, like Peskov's son "served" in Wagner). He studied in London and in Kiev. He is in the regional Vynnytsia council. I don't know what the younger son is up to. Poroshenko is old news, anyways.

    Because Ukraine's government unlike Russia's government is not geriatric in nature, the children of Ukraine's politicians are still mostly too young to serve in government.
  634. @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You are back denying the nose between your eyes; for 14 years starting in 2008 nobody in the West denied that "Ukraine will join Nato": governments, media, academia. It was only a question of 'when' and the answer was provided: when Kiev is ready.

    The minutia of the process or that France-Germany said that "Ukraine is not ready yet" are irrelevant. If Nato didn't want to provoke the war, they could have stated what you guys so desperately claim now. Or what AP reads into tea-leaves by 'interpreting' it.

    I suppose the 2019 Ukie Constitution stating that "Ukraine will join Nato" also didn't happen? It is the f..ing Constitution! the supreme law of the land. When did Merkel or Macron ever say that Ukraine will not join Nato? No, they only lamely mumbled: "not yet"...Russia saw it for what it was. As would US in similar situation. You don't threaten super-powers as a joke.

    The message, the consensus, the speeches endlessly repeated that "Ukraine will join Nato" and that Russia has no say in it. Then it blew in their face so you decided to flat out lie. In addition to losing the war and not having Kiev in Nato, you are losing dignity. For god's sake, man-up, you lost the crazy project, admit it and move on.

    Replies: @sudden death, @John Johnson

    You are back denying the nose between your eyes; for 14 years starting in 2008 nobody in the West denied that “Ukraine will join Nato“: governments, media, academia.

    A statement of desire by a politician does not grant some magical ability to evade what is a very clear voting process that even in 2008 was unlikely.

    After 2014 they did not qualify and were opposed by France and Germany. Do you deny that?

    But next time try to use actual quotes.

    The minutia of the process or that France-Germany said that “Ukraine is not ready yet” are irrelevant.

    After 2014 France was opposed to Ukrainian membership on the basis that they did not want to aggravate Russia. It was not because of a technicality.

    Do you really want to go down this path? Just stop already. Admit you have some type of emotional identity connection with Putin and leave it at that.

    Putin has a long list of former associates that were pushed down stairs or fell out of windows. You’re trying to believe that a mob dictator with small man’s syndrome has acted in principle this entire time.

    It’s just a hopeless case.

    It is the f..ing Constitution! the supreme law of the land.

    It is in their constitution but without any requirement that politicians follow it. The US constitution is ignored all the time by US politicians. Just look at the litany of gun laws that were passed this year. I can cite editorials by liberals that talk about how the constitution should be ignored even if the intent was personal firearm ownership. They don’t care.

    Zelensky was elected on a neutral platform and had not initiated the pre-application process. They also did not qualify because they had a contested border. Do you deny either?

    The message, the consensus, the speeches endlessly repeated that “Ukraine will join Nato” and that Russia has no say in it.

    Yes there have been politicians that have said they would like Ukraine in NATO. It doesn’t change the process and the undisputable fact that they did not qualify in 2021 and did not have the support of France or Germany.

    Finland however qualified but had stayed neutral until Putin broke his word that he wouldn’t invade Ukraine and that it was a “training exercise” on the border. Remember that? His massive lie that Ritter not only backed but wrote an editorial on how Russia would never invade a neighboring country?

    Let me ask you the same question: Should Putin have invaded Finland?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    Nothing you say changes the reality that Nato was planning to move to Ukraine - it was announced from the highest levels again and again. And now they are not since they are losing the war. That's what happened and some French froggies not wanting do the paperwork is irrelevant. You escaped into the minutia nonsense when you lost this argument - it just highlights not only the loss, but your lack of honor. At least keep some dignity: you tried and you lost, own up to it...


    It is in their Constitution but without any requirement that politicians follow it.
     
    Riiight...because that's what Constitution in a democracy is for: not to be followed. You seem very confused. And don't bore us with your guns, nobody outside US cares or understands what the "regular militia" is. You want to shoot up your local WalMart that's your business. But joining in a military alliance in the Ukie Constitution is real.

    Should Putin have invaded Finland?
     
    Why would Russia invade Finland? That is a total non-sequitur. Is Helsinki planning something? At least stay minimally coherent and compare like with like. Unless that dope-smoking bimbo PM wants some excitement, but I believe she is gone...
  635. @sudden death
    @Beckow

    Just as nobody in the West ever officially denied that “Turkey will join EU“: governments, media, academia. It was only a question of ‘when‘ and the answer was provided: when Stambul is ready;)

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Beckow

    Just as nobody in the West ever officially denied that “Turkey will join EU“: governments, media, academia. It was only a question of ‘when‘ and the answer was provided: when Stambul is ready;)

    Let’s for the sake of theory say that privately there was actually 100% support and both Germany and France were lying. They were ready to vote and Turkey would have backed them as well.

    Explain how a full military invasion from Russia would be the correct response when Ukraine didn’t qualify because of DPR/LPR and hadn’t started the pre-application process.

    You do understand why a country with a contested border cannot join a military alliance that is sworn to back with force the invasion of any border? Where is the border exactly? It is undefined and as such cannot be defended.

    Would you like me to source an article on how this was re-iterated by NATO after the invasion? An article in fact that explains it to Ukraine supporters as to why they cannot currently join?

    Just give me one explanation as to why Putin would be unable to keep Ukraine out of NATO by keeping the border contested.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    Just give me one explanation as to why Putin would be unable to keep Ukraine out of NATO by keeping the border contested.
     
    You're wasting your time with sudden death, Johnny. He's one of the most recalcitrant Putin admirers here. He may deny it when he comes back but we all know him very well after so many years.

    Replies: @sudden death

  636. @sudden death
    @Beckow

    Just as nobody in the West ever officially denied that “Turkey will join EU“: governments, media, academia. It was only a question of ‘when‘ and the answer was provided: when Stambul is ready;)

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Beckow

    That analogy doesn’t work. This is about a bloody war, not about whether Turkey can ship shoes and raisins to EU.

    There were also some EU politicians who denied that Turkey will ever join EU. But name a single EU leader in power who said that Kiev will never be in Nato…it has been a bloody mess and a catastrophic mistake: it will result in a smaller, poorer Ukraine with millions losing their future and hundreds of thousand dead.

    At the end Kiev will definitely not be in Nato…will you admit then that the idiotic plan and the public posturing from Bush to Scholtenberg were a tragic mistake?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Beckow

    Analogy with Turkey works well, cause UA always was just as close to joining NATO as Turkey to joining EU, while both having neverending universal declarative support from West in those goals - prior 2022 UA was not anyhow closer getting NATO membership than in 2008, so all that wailing about Kiev in NATO is just desperate trying to masquerade the pretext into the cause of conflict.

    Just as Sudetenland/Danzig questions were just pretext of preparing/doing invasions at the time, while the main cause was desire for territorial expansion and liquidating sovereign neighbour states. Difference so far being that UA people/leadership were determined to resist, coupled with RF being tactically delusional/inept at doing it so quickly/easily in the start as desired and the victim getting notable help from the West due to protracted fighting.

    Replies: @Beckow

  637. Amazing use of Russian tactics in action:

    Armored column sees graveyard of a previous column that was destroyed.

    Column commander says: LETS GO IN AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED. STAY CLOSE BOYS IN CASE IT IS RANGED FOR ARTILLERY.

    Wow.

    Oh and nice use of the cluster at the end by the Ukrainians.

  638. @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Hmmm.

    Ted Kaczynski's manifesto ~ 35,000 words

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Chat GPT please take this sample of my writings and write me a re-set manifesto in the general style of Ted Kaczynski so that none of my old friends who read it will ever admit they once knew me.

    • LOL: QCIC, John Johnson
    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I think LatW wants the PowerPoint version.

  639. After looking at AP’s sample of the manifesto I am concerned. Admiral Marty’s old criticism of AK may be right, Mr. Karlin is somewhat of an office plankton.

    Maybe he can find a rewarding career in the post-SMO clean up of Western Ukraine.

    • Replies: @AP
    @QCIC

    This quote/prediction by Martyanov is pure gold (apologies for posting it again, but it has been a year or so IIRC):


    Ukrainian military is a collection of a technological obsolete junk and operational concepts which are not suited for modern warfare. This military is drowned in corruption, drugs, alcohol and is not trained whatsoever to conduct a modern maneuverable warfare based on the Netcentric principles and involving newest state-of-the-art C4ISR. Ukraine simple has NO scientific, industrial or military capacity to have this, nor has it access to that. The only reason so called NATO military “professionals” are hanging around Yavorsky range and “advising” Ukie army is not to help but to collect all possibly so called war correlates they can, while it is still possible. LDNR forces, despite being vastly outnumbered, have access to this, which they demonstrated in Debaltsevo, Ilovaisk and many other places where this so called “battle hardened” Ukie army ran like hell. You do not understand what OODA (and its frequency) is in modern warfare but I can assure you that LDNR forces have this loop “running” in their Command and Control structures several times faster than the same is with Ukraine’s “army”. Several S-300s here and there, and few old T-64s and even 300 000 of Ukrainian personnel (a euphemism for brainwashed badly trained recruits) do not even understand what it means to have most of targeting information already distributed through tactical and operational networks of their adversary and this adversary having already fire means (ognevye sredstva) assigned to annihilate them once the order comes. This is beyond your grasp and that is why you continue to post here all kinds of Ukie shitty propaganda, like this:
    “Thanks to that, at least in terms of the human factor, it should be possible in a relatively short period of time to increase the Ukrainian army’s degree of combat readiness”

    Modern Armed Forces, and we are talking about Russia, wouldn’t even allow this so called army to see them–they will demolish all Ukrainian C4ISR first, especially C3, by stand-off weaponry and then cavalry will go in, with targets already shown and assigned on the level of company, or even platoon. Any direct involvement of Russia means one thing–the end of the junta in Kiev and disintegration of Ukraine, with LDNR forward forces rolling over Kreshatick within weeks. You can continue to reside in your delusion whatever you want but you have no idea what are you taking about. You are paid Ukie troll who spreads non-stop BS here.
     

    Replies: @Mikel, @QCIC, @Philip Owen, @Gerard1234

  640. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Gentle reminder: now is 2024. Last year was 2023. Do simple math
     
    The joke was from when Zhirinovsky was still alive. But it anticipated the future: the biggest victims of Russian bombs have been Russian-speaking people.

    And as we see, your claim that the facts in the joke were wrong was a false one. Lavrov’s daughter did live in New York and Peskov’s daughter did live in France.


    Your other assertions come from the sources that are just as credible
     
    The source was Russian state television directly. The commenter on Russian TV was complaining that in Donbas the Russian forces would fire from positions close to civilian objects, then move quickly, and then Ukrainians would target those positions and as a result destroy civilian objects.

    You assert that Russian experts on Russian state tv lie on behalf of Ukraine?


    Like I said before, Ukie propaganda
     
    So you assert that Russian state TV is “Ukie propaganda?”

    Here is the video from Russian TV again. It starts at about :20.

    https://twitter.com/adnashmyash/status/1742821456021467519?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    Projection? Ukies do it all the time. In fact, their anti-missile rockets repeatedly hit residential buildings in Ukrainian cities because their launchers are located in residential areas.

    Or maybe sour grapes: despite their ruthlessness and disregard for human life, Ukies are losing badly. It is said: ‘Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it’. Russia annihilated Nazis in 1945, will do it again. My condolences.

    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Projection? Ukies do it all the time. In fact, their anti-missile rockets repeatedly hit residential buildings in Ukrainian cities because their launchers are located in residential areas.
     
    What Ukies?

    Explain why the Russian analyst on Russian state TV asked the Russian military not to shoot at Ukrainian positions from places right next to civilian areas in Donbas, leading to the destruction of civilian objects.

    That wasn't a Ukrainian saying it.

    It was an admission by Russians that civilian deaths in Donbas were at least in part caused by Russians shooting out of civilian areas.

    Or maybe sour grapes: despite their ruthlessness and disregard for human life, Ukies are losing badly
     
    Russians haven't even managed to capture Avdiivka yet. After almost 2 years of war, Russians have only managed to hold 8% of the country (they had 10% before the 2022 invasion).

    Imagine if after 2 years, the Americans only managed to hold 8% of Iraq and no major cities or regional capitals, and bragged about the Iraqis "losing badly." It would be rather pathetic, wouldn't it?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  641. @LondonBob
    @songbird

    Doesn't he have an ongoing fuel with Keith Woods? Both have value, even the troon does, listened to a few of the scrumpmonkey videos.

    Replies: @songbird

    There is some ongoing drama between AA and Woods. Hard to understand.

    Both have value, even the troon does,

    I think AA’s had a few different trannies on. Forget the name of one but I found even the voice pattern deeply disturbing. I mean on the level of core instinct, not abstraction.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @songbird

    Not listened to AA, although I have read his stuff, didn't realise one of the Scrumpmonkey people was a troon, just sounded like two blokes to me. Their stuff on housing, immigration and containment strategies are very informative.

  642. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    Chat GPT please take this sample of my writings and write me a re-set manifesto in the general style of Ted Kaczynski so that none of my old friends who read it will ever admit they once knew me.

    Replies: @songbird

    I think LatW wants the PowerPoint version.

  643. @AnonfromTN
    @AP

    Projection? Ukies do it all the time. In fact, their anti-missile rockets repeatedly hit residential buildings in Ukrainian cities because their launchers are located in residential areas.

    Or maybe sour grapes: despite their ruthlessness and disregard for human life, Ukies are losing badly. It is said: ‘Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it’. Russia annihilated Nazis in 1945, will do it again. My condolences.

    Replies: @AP

    Projection? Ukies do it all the time. In fact, their anti-missile rockets repeatedly hit residential buildings in Ukrainian cities because their launchers are located in residential areas.

    What Ukies?

    Explain why the Russian analyst on Russian state TV asked the Russian military not to shoot at Ukrainian positions from places right next to civilian areas in Donbas, leading to the destruction of civilian objects.

    That wasn’t a Ukrainian saying it.

    It was an admission by Russians that civilian deaths in Donbas were at least in part caused by Russians shooting out of civilian areas.

    Or maybe sour grapes: despite their ruthlessness and disregard for human life, Ukies are losing badly

    Russians haven’t even managed to capture Avdiivka yet. After almost 2 years of war, Russians have only managed to hold 8% of the country (they had 10% before the 2022 invasion).

    Imagine if after 2 years, the Americans only managed to hold 8% of Iraq and no major cities or regional capitals, and bragged about the Iraqis “losing badly.” It would be rather pathetic, wouldn’t it?

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Profesor Tennessee is unable to come to terms with the content of the Russian analyst's remarks because it's clear evidence that goes against a major tenet of his that he's held here for several years. Such is the fate of all cowards:

    https://images.cartoonstock.com/lowres/hobbies-leisure-rough_neighbourhood-tough_neighbourhood-rough_neighborhood-tough_neighborhood-sandpit-CS563235_low.jpg
    Professor Janissary, reappear and address the remarks of the Russian Analyst...

    Replies: @QCIC

  644. @Coconuts
    @Yevardian

    Did you manage to read the multi-volume version or one of the shorter ones? I have an abridged 'best of' Gobineau on race issues, I was thinking the full essay would be heavy going. Parvini seems to have read it.

    I was wanting to find some book in a language I can read about the reception of Gobineau in Germany but couldn't see anything obvious on the topic.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    It was a compilation, translated into English. The whole blurb just warns about how seductively evil the book’s contents are, and there’s a lengthy critical introduction (didn’t it) as well further elaborating on how incredibly dangerous reading Gobineau is for anyone not already innoculated against rightoid thought.

    It includes the first chapter of ‘The Inequality of the Human Races’ in full, where he outlines his main theory, then it breaks off into a page summarising the contents of the next 4 chapters, then provides his conclusion in full.

    Reading Gobineau’s extremely pessimistic conclusion predicting the inevitable, irreversible death of all human creativity, progress and vitality, long before the human animal itself will go extinct, reminded me strongly of Houellebecq actually. Particularly his novel “The Possibility of an Island”, probably the most miserable of all his works, with the least sympathetic and even loathesome protagonist (who mentions casually in passing that his son commited suicide, and the world was probably better off for that). Both of which say a lot considering Houllebecq’s novels generally.

    There’s an image posted of the blurb of the Gobineau compilation so you can see what I mean.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Yevardian


    It was a compilation, translated into English. The whole blurb just warns about how seductively evil the book’s contents are, and there’s a lengthy critical introduction (didn’t it) as well further elaborating on how incredibly dangerous reading Gobineau is for anyone not already innoculated against rightoid thought.
     
    It is the same compilation I have, from the 'Roots of the Right' series. Unfortunately I'm away from home at the moment so I can't look at my copy. When I was reading it I remember thinking that the introduction could have been worse if it had been written more recently, like in 1960s and early 70s anti-racism it was still possible to publish some academic studies of Gobineau, whereas now it probably would be harder.

    The other parts of it I remember are the spicy descriptions of the character of the main races, and the lyrical doomer conclusion. That's the part that made the biggest impression on me I think. The connection to Possibility of an Island is intriguing, I haven't reread that one since I first got a copy years ago, I might have a look at it again when I get back. I recall the cynical narrator, he's a comedian iirc?

    I have a couple of other books from the 'Roots of the Right' series that I found in second hand bookshops ~20 years ago. When the Woke thing broke out in 2020 it somehow inspired me to look at them again; the one on the French right turned out to be the starting point for a decent amount of reading over the last few years. There's a pretty significant cultural tradition there I was only partly aware of before, but I think it does make where Houellebecq came from easier to understand.

    The other thing about the writers in the French and Italian 'Roots of the Right' volumes is that a number of them came out of the left wing, in their time they were socialists and revolutionary syndicalists, so you can see how the left/right distinction has shifted over time.

  645. @Yevardian
    Turns out about the only sane point Karlin made in his entire "Manifesto" (ok, I skimmed 90% of it) was his critique of the Unz Review:

    One common failure mode is OD’ing on red pills, which boomers seem especially susceptible to it. The classic case, of course, is Ron Unz. In the mid-2010s, he created a webzine that looked set to become the major hub for the Dissident Right by uniting the HBD/IQ community – Steve Sailer, Razib Khan, Audacious Epigone, Peter Frost, JayMan, Guillaume Durocher, James Thompson (I lobbied in the last two, and tried to get hbd*chick hired too) [I wonder what that was about?] – with a roster of anti-interventionist paleocons, leftist anti-imperialists, Geopolitics Brains, and humorist oddballs such as Fred Reed that briefly gave it a unique blend of high-brow commentary and ideological pizzazz. Imagine something like Quillette, but not overrun by neocons and Zionist activists.

    But this vision was not to be, because Ron Unz decided it would be a great idea to go all in on Holocaust Denial and other conspiracy theories from the Suvorov Hypothesis to COVID as American bioweapon. This roughly coincided with The Unz Review beginning to get increasingly populated by JQ obsessives, many of whom were amusingly themselves Jews. It was as if he was on some achievement quest to collect all the world’s most prominent self-hating Jews on his website. One of these was Israel Shamir, an unusually odious individual even by JQ standards, who apart from being a general conspiracy retard amusingly once lectured me on my insufficient anti-Semitism while campaigning to get Sputnik & Pogrom banned in Russia on account of their “Nazism” (aka not licking Putin’s boots hard enough).

    I still don’t understand what the logic behind any of it was. Possibly it was a case of runaway contrarianism, as Ben Sixsmith suggested. Or perhaps popularizing his interesting views on certain historical events was the plan from the beginning, but hardly feasible to push through The American Conservative, and pointless as a standalone publication on a personal website with a marginal readership. Certainly it put the kibosh on Unz’s political ambitions, which ranged from reforming Harvard admissions system to attempting to exert influence over the Trump administration.

    Imagine if that had worked, and Trumpism’s lodestar had become the UR columnists of c.2015-17, as opposed to right-wing rag Breitbart, which its own founder Bannon once publicly dismissed as a non-serious media outlet. It would at least have been less cringe. It remains unclear to me why Unz thought JQ punditry and penetrating the pronouncedly Jewish and pro-Zionist Trump administration were mutually compatible projects. However, his real achievement was arguably even more impressive. It is a supreme irony that Ron Unz, a Jew, has become probably the world’s most highly cited anti-Semitic scholar. That a Jew ends up dominating even this field would seem to vindicate the HBD thesis of high Jewish IQ and intellectual accomplishment that Unz otherwise strenuously denies. [LOL]
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson, @AP, @Gerard1234

    That a Jew ends up dominating even this field would seem to vindicate the HBD thesis of high Jewish IQ and intellectual accomplishment that Unz otherwise strenuously denies. [LOL]

    Nice point – but its a fact that a jew saying or hosting people saying anti-rootless cosmopolitan and anti-Zionist things is more likely to be taken seriously, or less possible to have a campaign to get the website removed…….than if its a non-Jew saying the same things.

    Same principle could occur with a black guy self-hating.

    American Jew Zionist “comedians” , entertainers, film producers etc exploit and make money off anti-semitic stuff all the time – “jokes” about the Holocaust, having films with stereotypical vile Jewish characters ( Tom Cruise played one in a blatant Jewish produce film), the guy with the horses head on his bed in The Godfather, the Jew who does that Borat thing has used blatant anti-jew stuff to make money.
    Mel Gibson does a film that isn’t anti-semitic at all, and mostly Jews in powerful American entertainment position start squealing about it. It looks like the film was independently produced (i.e not Jewish) and it making alot of money must have been the driving force in the “anti-semitic” allegations.

    That doesn’t mean there should be lunatic theories blaming Jews for every possible event ( like the french journalists getting shot dead)…..but the issue is very complex.

    I am convinced, that among other groups, Jewish Pogrom-descended scum in America and Canada are playing the highest role in the anti-Russian policies of the west. They are effectively holocaust-deniers……well, they can’t live with the fact that Russians stopped the holocaust. Not other Jews like in France, Argentina , Germany, Israel ……but some North American pogrom-descended weirdo’s ( and 1970’s Soviet emigree Jew pricks)

    • Agree: Yevardian, ShortOnTime
    • Replies: @Derer
    @Gerard1234

    The movie "The Passion of the Christ" faced vitriolic criticism of every Jewish organization (the number of Jewish organizations on taxpayers payroll is astounding for a 2% minority) for being antisemitic and too violent.

    On the other hand, thousands of highly violent movies produced by the holocaust industry are pushed and promoted by the Hollywood nest to enhance the victimhood card.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  646. @Gerard1234
    @AP


    You are one of the most gullible people out there but you doubt that Lavrov’s daughter lived in New York? How do you suppose she got her degree from Columbia?
     
    LMAO. Lavrov was the UN Ambassador, so lived in New York for a long time you retarded dumbfuck! Even when committing another lie, you manage to use the past tense "lived" when talking about Lavrov's daughter in New York - she lives in Russia from before SMO, works on a magazine I think. Clearly it's a stupid example for a retard like you to give. Now go through every other major official you useless idiot. Same thing with Churkin and probably same thing with current Russian (and ukrop, and British, and German) ambassadors to the UN.

    Peskov is a spokesman for the President, i.e not an official you retard. He is divorced, and where his libtard daughter with the divorced wife lives is of zero interest

    You think most Russians don’t assume that Russian officials’ relatives live abroad?
     
    Human garbage like you is of course not in any position to make any assumptions about what most Russians assume , you diseased POS.

    If you had a brain, or any knowledge of Russia, or had visted Russia or had any connections there you would know nepotism for the children is far more what liberasts or some others are going to claim about Russian officials.......not their children living abroad.

    Patrushev's (head of FSB) son finds it difficult to live abroad........he's a very successful agriculture minister. Peskov's son is serving in the SMO. One of Shoigu's daughters is head at psychological assistance centre for M.Ch.S- her husband is one of the main prosecutors in the country. One of Putin's daughters has job or director at a Russian scientific-research institute

    With Patrushev,results have proved it a merited appointment - for the 2 ladies listed those are jobs of serious professionals, dedicated people looking to serve their country, not overindulged "golden youth" parasitic scum. Then there are those working as directors at Banks, oil/gas/other resource companies, tv etc. who could be there on merit, could be nepotism....but either way are achieving good results and are IN Russia you dipshit.


    Ukrop elite are obviously too incompetent and corrupt to even be close to the position where they can have one of their family be in place to be given a nepotism position in a top state office/department . They are of course though big receivers of high-paying nepotism ( which is effectively a law in Ukraine), but just not for the high-publicity positions.

    Ukrop elite scum before and after the SMO were sending their kids & wives to live in the west....if they are lucky have a Russian kid in the school for them to be friends with. Of course the Nazi scum have every incentive to continue with the mass annihilation of ukrops, as they and their families can get treated like kings in the west.

    There is also the issue that since 2014 for Russia ,having officials 'children live and study abroad has been difficult, since 2022 impossible. Also, stupid idiot, officials could easily just claim Putin "corrupt", SMO " failing" "100000 dead", "going to lose Crimea" , "trying to kill me like Skripal comedy poisoning" and other mindnumbingly cretinous BS - and give interviews with this nonsense to CNN etc - and ask for and get refugee status living in some mansion in a western country. The incentive to defect if unpatriotic has never been greater.

    For those that have sent their children to live abroad - many (particularly former officials) have done but unless the money used has been corrupt , then it is understandable, even acceptable to have done this from 1991 until 2008 (Gruzian war), maybe even until 2011....but most certainly not from after 2014.

    Poroshenko's son, like every other ukrop "elite" long before the SMO ,lives and goes to school in UK. Also video shown where can't speak a word of Ukrainian, totally Russian. As his scumbag father enhanced anti-Russian language laws as President since 2014, and was a supporter of the Orange Revolution.....this is inexplicable, but typical for 404. LOL.

    Replies: @AP

    LMAO. Lavrov was the UN Ambassador, so lived in New York for a long time

    Of course. That’s why his daughter was born there.

    Good that you have learned this.

    you manage to use the past tense “lived” when talking about Lavrov’s daughter in New York – she lives in Russia

    Unlike you I write correct things. She lived in New York, and then in London before moving to Moscow.

    Peskov is a spokesman for the President, i.e not an official

    The president’s official spokesman is not a Russian government official?

    I think we are seeing why you had to study civil “engineering” in the USSR. I little slow, aren’t you?

    He [Peskov] is divorced, and where his libtard daughter with the divorced wife lives is of zero interest

    Of course it is of no interest to you. But the fact is that his daughter and a son live in France.

    If you had a brain, or any knowledge of Russia, or had visted Russia or had any connections there you would know nepotism for the children is far more what liberasts or some others are going to claim about Russian officials

    I didn’t claim otherwise.

    Is reading hard for you?

    Peskov’s son is serving in the SMO.

    Thanks for confirming that you are just another gullible Sovok boomer who lives abroad.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolay_Peskov

    In April 2023, it was reported that Nikolay had joined the Wagner Group and is participating in the Russian invasion of Ukraine as an artillery man,[7] a conflicting report shows that when he claimed to be in Ukraine his Tesla car, which he is the primary driver of, had been seen moving “actively” around Moscow. During this time the car has collected fines as well. The VChK-OGPU Telegram channel also asked Wagner artillerymen if they had seen him, replying: “he was nowhere to be seen in the Bakhmut area.” Nikolai Peskov also claimed that he wanted to join Wagner but didn’t know how “so I had to turn to my dad…and he helped me with that”. Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin said that Dmitry Peskov asked him to “take [Nikolai] on as a simple artilleryman”. In September 2022, regarding the 2022 Russian mobilization, Russian journalist Dmitry Nizovtsev, an associate of opposition activist Alexei Navalny, called Nikolay Peskov and pretended to be a military recruitment officer. He asked Mr Peskov why he hadn’t shown up to the Moscow call up centre. Mr Peskov replied: “I am Mr Peskov. I’m going to take this matter to another level…I basically need to know what’s going on and what my rights are.” This call was made live on YouTube.[8][9][10]

    Is that the only example of an elite “fighting” for Russia you could think of?

    One of Putin’s daughters has job or director at a Russian scientific-research institute

    One of Putin’s daughters lived in the Netherlands until the Dutch protested in 2014 and she returned to Russia.

    Ukrop elite scum before and after the SMO were sending their kids & wives to live in the west

    Like Russians. Though Ukrainians have more of an excuse – Russia has better universities than Ukraine does.

    Poroshenko’s son, like every other ukrop “elite” long before the SMO ,lives and goes to school in UK.

    His older son volunteered to serve in ATO (maybe, like Peskov’s son “served” in Wagner). He studied in London and in Kiev. He is in the regional Vynnytsia council. I don’t know what the younger son is up to. Poroshenko is old news, anyways.

    Because Ukraine’s government unlike Russia’s government is not geriatric in nature, the children of Ukraine’s politicians are still mostly too young to serve in government.

  647. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    You are back denying the nose between your eyes; for 14 years starting in 2008 nobody in the West denied that “Ukraine will join Nato“: governments, media, academia.

    A statement of desire by a politician does not grant some magical ability to evade what is a very clear voting process that even in 2008 was unlikely.

    After 2014 they did not qualify and were opposed by France and Germany. Do you deny that?

    But next time try to use actual quotes.

    The minutia of the process or that France-Germany said that “Ukraine is not ready yet” are irrelevant.

    After 2014 France was opposed to Ukrainian membership on the basis that they did not want to aggravate Russia. It was not because of a technicality.

    Do you really want to go down this path? Just stop already. Admit you have some type of emotional identity connection with Putin and leave it at that.

    Putin has a long list of former associates that were pushed down stairs or fell out of windows. You're trying to believe that a mob dictator with small man's syndrome has acted in principle this entire time.

    It's just a hopeless case.

    It is the f..ing Constitution! the supreme law of the land.

    It is in their constitution but without any requirement that politicians follow it. The US constitution is ignored all the time by US politicians. Just look at the litany of gun laws that were passed this year. I can cite editorials by liberals that talk about how the constitution should be ignored even if the intent was personal firearm ownership. They don't care.

    Zelensky was elected on a neutral platform and had not initiated the pre-application process. They also did not qualify because they had a contested border. Do you deny either?

    The message, the consensus, the speeches endlessly repeated that “Ukraine will join Nato” and that Russia has no say in it.

    Yes there have been politicians that have said they would like Ukraine in NATO. It doesn't change the process and the undisputable fact that they did not qualify in 2021 and did not have the support of France or Germany.

    Finland however qualified but had stayed neutral until Putin broke his word that he wouldn't invade Ukraine and that it was a "training exercise" on the border. Remember that? His massive lie that Ritter not only backed but wrote an editorial on how Russia would never invade a neighboring country?

    Let me ask you the same question: Should Putin have invaded Finland?

    Replies: @Beckow

    Nothing you say changes the reality that Nato was planning to move to Ukraine – it was announced from the highest levels again and again. And now they are not since they are losing the war. That’s what happened and some French froggies not wanting do the paperwork is irrelevant. You escaped into the minutia nonsense when you lost this argument – it just highlights not only the loss, but your lack of honor. At least keep some dignity: you tried and you lost, own up to it…

    It is in their Constitution but without any requirement that politicians follow it.

    Riiight…because that’s what Constitution in a democracy is for: not to be followed. You seem very confused. And don’t bore us with your guns, nobody outside US cares or understands what the “regular militia” is. You want to shoot up your local WalMart that’s your business. But joining in a military alliance in the Ukie Constitution is real.

    Should Putin have invaded Finland?

    Why would Russia invade Finland? That is a total non-sequitur. Is Helsinki planning something? At least stay minimally coherent and compare like with like. Unless that dope-smoking bimbo PM wants some excitement, but I believe she is gone…

  648. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Gentle reminder: now is 2024. Last year was 2023. Do simple math
     
    The joke was from when Zhirinovsky was still alive. But it anticipated the future: the biggest victims of Russian bombs have been Russian-speaking people.

    And as we see, your claim that the facts in the joke were wrong was a false one. Lavrov’s daughter did live in New York and Peskov’s daughter did live in France.


    Your other assertions come from the sources that are just as credible
     
    The source was Russian state television directly. The commenter on Russian TV was complaining that in Donbas the Russian forces would fire from positions close to civilian objects, then move quickly, and then Ukrainians would target those positions and as a result destroy civilian objects.

    You assert that Russian experts on Russian state tv lie on behalf of Ukraine?


    Like I said before, Ukie propaganda
     
    So you assert that Russian state TV is “Ukie propaganda?”

    Here is the video from Russian TV again. It starts at about :20.

    https://twitter.com/adnashmyash/status/1742821456021467519?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    The source was Russian state television directly. The commenter on Russian TV was complaining that in Donbas the Russian forces would fire from positions close to civilian objects, then move quickly, and then Ukrainians would target those positions and as a result destroy civilian objects.

    You assert that Russian experts on Russian state tv lie on behalf of Ukraine?

    Obviously nothing gets confirmed as a definitive lie more than when a diseased sociopathic POS as yourself provides a link to it! An incredible amount of commentators time has been wasted by an attention-whore sewer-rat like you providing fake/deceitful links on here. So without looking at a single second of the video …….I can safely conclude:

    1. It’s not true
    2. It’s 1 million percent a video from 2014/15 not the SMO
    3. Put there because it’s clear projection.
    4. As you are such a thick bimbo, you can’t understand why there is absolutely no way that military action would be happening in the SMO, in Donetsk, from Donetsk into ukronazi controlled areas.
    5. Moving on from the date issue, which totally destroys your nonsense, in addition it will be a total distortion of what the Russian commentator was saying. Almost as bad as khokhol “historians” writings.

    One of the reasons why it was so important to drive the Nazi excrement out of Donetsk Airport in 2015 ( of course, with these scum they were not supposed to be there after the first Minsk Agreement)was because it was the primary launching area for the ukroswine to fire into Donetsk, primarily at civilians and civilian infrastructure. No air power used after July 2014 , made its importance as a launchpad for firing into Donetsk and terrorise these great people even more obvious.

    Getting the vermin out of there was one of the key drivers for the next agreement, and with it and a few more annihilations of the ukronazis at the time of or within a few days after that next Minsk agreement….greatly reduced military action towards LDNR occurred. Its not in dispute that ukronazis targeted civilians and civilian infrastructure in Donetsk:

    1. Before armed resistance in Donbass
    2.During armed resistance in Donbass
    3. After Minsk 2 Agreement

    Lavrov’s daughter did live in New York

    I answered this bimbo nonsense before you retard. Lavrov was UN Ambassador ( so living in New York) for several years. As such it is idiotic to try and make any point involving his daughter studying there. You faking being”Ukrainian” and wasting millions of hours on here while not allowing a desperate Ukrainian family to share the place you reside in (while American government has made this an easy thing to do and will sponsor)……is of course less so obvious to explain.

    • Agree: Derer
    • Replies: @Derer
    @Gerard1234

    It is a waste of time to be serious in responding to that illiterate insect.

    Replies: @AP

    , @AP
    @Gerard1234


    So without looking at a single second of the video
     
    Reality is hard to deal with for you, we know.

    It’s 1 million percent a video from 2014/15 not the SMO
     
    At :24 in the background there is the writing about "военная операция на Украине"

    It wasn't described that way in 2014.

    You failed as usual.

    (video under "more" for the sake of convenience)



    https://twitter.com/adnashmyash/status/1742821456021467519?s=20
  649. @QCIC
    After looking at AP's sample of the manifesto I am concerned. Admiral Marty's old criticism of AK may be right, Mr. Karlin is somewhat of an office plankton.

    Maybe he can find a rewarding career in the post-SMO clean up of Western Ukraine.

    Replies: @AP

    This quote/prediction by Martyanov is pure gold (apologies for posting it again, but it has been a year or so IIRC):

    Ukrainian military is a collection of a technological obsolete junk and operational concepts which are not suited for modern warfare. This military is drowned in corruption, drugs, alcohol and is not trained whatsoever to conduct a modern maneuverable warfare based on the Netcentric principles and involving newest state-of-the-art C4ISR. Ukraine simple has NO scientific, industrial or military capacity to have this, nor has it access to that. The only reason so called NATO military “professionals” are hanging around Yavorsky range and “advising” Ukie army is not to help but to collect all possibly so called war correlates they can, while it is still possible. LDNR forces, despite being vastly outnumbered, have access to this, which they demonstrated in Debaltsevo, Ilovaisk and many other places where this so called “battle hardened” Ukie army ran like hell. You do not understand what OODA (and its frequency) is in modern warfare but I can assure you that LDNR forces have this loop “running” in their Command and Control structures several times faster than the same is with Ukraine’s “army”. Several S-300s here and there, and few old T-64s and even 300 000 of Ukrainian personnel (a euphemism for brainwashed badly trained recruits) do not even understand what it means to have most of targeting information already distributed through tactical and operational networks of their adversary and this adversary having already fire means (ognevye sredstva) assigned to annihilate them once the order comes. This is beyond your grasp and that is why you continue to post here all kinds of Ukie shitty propaganda, like this:
    “Thanks to that, at least in terms of the human factor, it should be possible in a relatively short period of time to increase the Ukrainian army’s degree of combat readiness”

    Modern Armed Forces, and we are talking about Russia, wouldn’t even allow this so called army to see them–they will demolish all Ukrainian C4ISR first, especially C3, by stand-off weaponry and then cavalry will go in, with targets already shown and assigned on the level of company, or even platoon. Any direct involvement of Russia means one thing–the end of the junta in Kiev and disintegration of Ukraine, with LDNR forward forces rolling over Kreshatick within weeks. You can continue to reside in your delusion whatever you want but you have no idea what are you taking about. You are paid Ukie troll who spreads non-stop BS here.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AP

    Putin obviously never read AK's blog. I don't know why people seemed to have problems getting the joke. But perhaps he did become a follower of Martyanov's. That would explain a lot.

    Replies: @AP

    , @QCIC
    @AP

    This fun quote doesn't change my comment about plankton. I have enjoyed reading posts and articles by Karlin and Martyanov and benefited from their arguments. I don't expect either to be right all the time or even most of the time. I will continue to read if they remain informative or thought provoking.

    I don't think military commenters such as the ones you deride can fully recognize the Russian plan for the SMO. The explanation I have previously offered seems to fill in some of the gaps. This reality is very war-like, i.e. a brutal scenario which would never be acknowledged by the Russian government.

    I have always been in a middle camp as far as Russian military-industrial capability is concerned. I understand they have the scientific and technological base to develop important new systems while recognizing they have monumental difficulties bringing many projects to large scale production. They recently received the 50th Su-57 fighter aircraft. This is arguably the most advanced fighter in the world which suggests the Russian military is not helpless. Nonetheless, I'm sure their air force would like to have an additional 200 of these planes.

    Replies: @Matra

    , @Philip Owen
    @AP

    Martynov couldn't have been more exactly wrong. In the real world, once the fight began, Russia used mostly hub and spoke with variants for Grads. Ukraine used shoot and scoot even with Soviet artillery. Maybe the VDV who knew better were all eliminated at Ky'ev and Odesa.

    It used to be a bad day in Saratov Province when 3 soldier deaths were announced. 10 in a week was a lot. Lately, it has regularly been 5 a day. The regular Russian army is doing more of the fighting now. The original L/DNR has been wiped out at the level of the private soldier. Wagner lost 20,000 before collapse. Anyone read much about the Chechens recently? They ended up in a real fight in near Kremmina and faded away that so far as my sources show.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP


    Ukrainian military is a collection of a technological obsolete junk and operational concepts which are not suited for modern warfare.
     
    Comprehensively proven already you dipsh*t. Though understanding the sentiment behind "obsolete junk", he would be correct if talking solely ukrop war, but all those old weapons systems/equipment are capable of causing damage or preventing damage if used with western navigation systems, western equipment, western real-time intelligence data etc.

    This military is drowned in corruption, drugs, alcohol
     
    Is anybody even SERIOUSLY disputing this? Of course all 3 are at very high levels in the ukrop military. As you have zero family or friends or business connections with Banderastan (note I am generous in that I would have qualified you for this if you were doing the same like other American slimeballs - who appear to have only sponsored young, good looking, single Instagram-loving Lvov-types whores to move to the US since the SMO, but of course you haven't invited any ukrop in) then you would have no idea that every ukrop family is having complaints of at least one of these things. What Martyanov did not consider is that Drugs are used to get these psycho losers to fight in a specific way (kamikaze primarily) , with approval from higher up.

    Martyanov doesn't mention the drugs and alchol from the western mercs/sex tourists though....or the open corruption, mass money laundering scheme that is western politicians with their actions towards 404.

    Ukraine simple has NO scientific, industrial or military capacity to have this, nor has it access to that.
     
    Even for an extreme bimbo like you , this is dumb. The scientific, industrial capacity is entirely western . the military capacity is entirely western/soviet legacy . And LMAO - Grom , Oplot, Stunga (Javelin and NLAW embarrassing failures I should add), Bogdan, drones, even their own APC's. In 8, now 10 years - absurdly useless MIC.

    LDNR forces, despite being vastly outnumbered, have access to this, which they demonstrated in Debaltsevo, Ilovaisk and many other places where this so called “battle hardened” Ukie army ran like hell.
     
    Another indisputable fact

    Modern Armed Forces, and we are talking about Russia, wouldn’t even allow this so called army to see them–they will demolish all Ukrainian C4ISR first, especially C3, by stand-off weaponry and then cavalry will go in, with targets already shown and assigned on the level of company, or even platoon.
     
    As is obvious, a big part of that C4ISR, especially C3 is either completely western, located on or from western territory, or micro-managed by westerners. The cavalry did go in from Russia......and liberated , and secured access to several critical objects and liberate towns and cities. Where the most purely "Ukrainian" concentrated use of C4ISR was - surveillance and particularly human intelligence directed at the southern border with Crimea....of course failed abysmally and got annihilated. Here, Ukrainian human intelligence multi-year efforts would have been the dominant player ahead of western capabilities of course. It says alot about 404's C4ISR capabilities they got destroyed so quickly ( and insurgent efforts in that part close to zero, LOL)

    In the process of that southern operation making the SMO a definite victory immediately, only a clinically dead but on life-support Banderastan extending their own suffering for several more years. I suppose the Nazis are trying to follow the American principle of "fake it till you make it".....about the only "westernisation" 404 has done in 30 years, except for dressing like American police officers.

    Any direct involvement of Russia means one thing–the end of the junta in Kiev and disintegration of Ukraine, with LDNR forward forces rolling over Kreshatick within weeks.

     

    That statement according to Martyanov is of course accurate. LDNR did roll-over in Lugansk and Azov coast, part of Black Sea Coast you idiot. The junta is of course inept and there solely because the west pays the entire state budget, military, everything of the country - when about 2 billion dollars a year could have prevented the war they have committed more than 100 ( indirect costs probably 1500 already) times this amount to a parasitic fake state.

    As if you couldn't be any more of a dumb retard, Martyanov is talking about a situation like the Muhajadeen against the Soviets, Israel in the wars with Egypt and Arab states you idiot - the US helping , providing weapons, some (not all) funds....not a situation like this you cretin where the entire thing at strategic, operational level and tactical level is planned, enforced by westerners, as the VSU pussys are micromanaged by them. Embarassingly for the west, 404 - Russia using a very small force managed to operate successfully on 3 fronts and secure many key objectives.......with a fraction of the number for a whole country.......that the Nazis used for entire cities, even towns. Though western front deserves praise for bravery, skill etc........the facts are that not a single city or town had a serious battle (100000 fighting on either side) as the Nazis allowed them to take it.....but the Nazi scum while surrendering to them, fought the Soviets for every brick in nearly every city

    Sovok boomers, mediocre graduates with mediocre Soviet-era careers. Martyanov failed at life, ending up in the USA and working as some kind of high school math tutor.
     
    An amusing lie and projection of what you WANT to be true, as you are a sociopathic wackjob with huge problems, not the actual truth. I think under the other numerous sockpuppet accounts on numerous different Russian (english-language of course) sites from yourself - there is the same recycled lying garbage written at similar great people like Martyanov.

    Replies: @AP, @LondonBob, @Philip Owen

  650. Am not unsympathetic but I wonder if they realize that there is excrement on the Moon:

    https://www.space.com/nasa-responds-navajo-nation-objection-human-remains-moon

  651. @Gerard1234
    @AP


    The source was Russian state television directly. The commenter on Russian TV was complaining that in Donbas the Russian forces would fire from positions close to civilian objects, then move quickly, and then Ukrainians would target those positions and as a result destroy civilian objects.

    You assert that Russian experts on Russian state tv lie on behalf of Ukraine?
     
    Obviously nothing gets confirmed as a definitive lie more than when a diseased sociopathic POS as yourself provides a link to it! An incredible amount of commentators time has been wasted by an attention-whore sewer-rat like you providing fake/deceitful links on here. So without looking at a single second of the video .......I can safely conclude:

    1. It's not true
    2. It's 1 million percent a video from 2014/15 not the SMO
    3. Put there because it's clear projection.
    4. As you are such a thick bimbo, you can't understand why there is absolutely no way that military action would be happening in the SMO, in Donetsk, from Donetsk into ukronazi controlled areas.
    5. Moving on from the date issue, which totally destroys your nonsense, in addition it will be a total distortion of what the Russian commentator was saying. Almost as bad as khokhol "historians" writings.


    One of the reasons why it was so important to drive the Nazi excrement out of Donetsk Airport in 2015 ( of course, with these scum they were not supposed to be there after the first Minsk Agreement)was because it was the primary launching area for the ukroswine to fire into Donetsk, primarily at civilians and civilian infrastructure. No air power used after July 2014 , made its importance as a launchpad for firing into Donetsk and terrorise these great people even more obvious.

    Getting the vermin out of there was one of the key drivers for the next agreement, and with it and a few more annihilations of the ukronazis at the time of or within a few days after that next Minsk agreement....greatly reduced military action towards LDNR occurred. Its not in dispute that ukronazis targeted civilians and civilian infrastructure in Donetsk:

    1. Before armed resistance in Donbass
    2.During armed resistance in Donbass
    3. After Minsk 2 Agreement

    Lavrov’s daughter did live in New York
     
    I answered this bimbo nonsense before you retard. Lavrov was UN Ambassador ( so living in New York) for several years. As such it is idiotic to try and make any point involving his daughter studying there. You faking being"Ukrainian" and wasting millions of hours on here while not allowing a desperate Ukrainian family to share the place you reside in (while American government has made this an easy thing to do and will sponsor)......is of course less so obvious to explain.

    Replies: @Derer, @AP

    It is a waste of time to be serious in responding to that illiterate insect.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Derer


    It is a waste of time to be serious in responding to that illiterate insect.
     
    He (and you) probably couldn't read what was in the video, hence the silly claim it was from 2014 (I don't believe him when he wrote that he didn't watch it).
  652. @sudden death
    News about poor bankrupt freezing jobless Germany;)

    03.01.2024

    Wiesbaden (dpa) – There was a further increase in the number of people in employment in Germany in 2023. According to the Federal Statistical Office, 45.9 million people were in employment – the highest annual average since reunification in 1990. Compared to the previous record year of 2022, the number of people in employment increased by another 0.7 per cent.

    This means that employment has increased for the third year in succession following the slump in 2020 caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. According to the Federal Statistical Office, more people from Germany were in work and additional labour came from abroad. Nine out of ten additional jobs were created in the service sector, while there was less growth in the manufacturing and construction industries. The number of self-employed persons and family helpers fell by around 30,000 to 3.9 million.
     

    https://www.deutschland.de/en/news/further-increase-in-the-number-of-people-in-work-in-2023#:~:text=Wiesbaden%20(dpa)%20%E2%80%93%20There%20was,average%20since%20reunification%20in%201990.

    Replies: @Derer

    What a rosy picture for Germany in your post, while their GDP declined in 2023 by -0.4 %. What is that growing employment producing?

  653. @John Johnson
    @sudden death

    Just as nobody in the West ever officially denied that “Turkey will join EU“: governments, media, academia. It was only a question of ‘when‘ and the answer was provided: when Stambul is ready;)

    Let's for the sake of theory say that privately there was actually 100% support and both Germany and France were lying. They were ready to vote and Turkey would have backed them as well.

    Explain how a full military invasion from Russia would be the correct response when Ukraine didn't qualify because of DPR/LPR and hadn't started the pre-application process.

    You do understand why a country with a contested border cannot join a military alliance that is sworn to back with force the invasion of any border? Where is the border exactly? It is undefined and as such cannot be defended.

    Would you like me to source an article on how this was re-iterated by NATO after the invasion? An article in fact that explains it to Ukraine supporters as to why they cannot currently join?

    Just give me one explanation as to why Putin would be unable to keep Ukraine out of NATO by keeping the border contested.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Just give me one explanation as to why Putin would be unable to keep Ukraine out of NATO by keeping the border contested.

    You’re wasting your time with sudden death, Johnny. He’s one of the most recalcitrant Putin admirers here. He may deny it when he comes back but we all know him very well after so many years.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Mikel

    Got me here, but will not deny I was always rootin for Pootin to rule forever in RF;)


    ...mugabization of putinism is the best and most desired thing that could happen. They will waste more and more resources on just containing current political status quo, economical and technological development will not be extinct, but remain sluggish, there will be more talented people such as Durov leaving. One only could wish Pugabe to stay in power till hundred years of age.
     
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-85/#comment-3371657
  654. @AP
    @QCIC

    This quote/prediction by Martyanov is pure gold (apologies for posting it again, but it has been a year or so IIRC):


    Ukrainian military is a collection of a technological obsolete junk and operational concepts which are not suited for modern warfare. This military is drowned in corruption, drugs, alcohol and is not trained whatsoever to conduct a modern maneuverable warfare based on the Netcentric principles and involving newest state-of-the-art C4ISR. Ukraine simple has NO scientific, industrial or military capacity to have this, nor has it access to that. The only reason so called NATO military “professionals” are hanging around Yavorsky range and “advising” Ukie army is not to help but to collect all possibly so called war correlates they can, while it is still possible. LDNR forces, despite being vastly outnumbered, have access to this, which they demonstrated in Debaltsevo, Ilovaisk and many other places where this so called “battle hardened” Ukie army ran like hell. You do not understand what OODA (and its frequency) is in modern warfare but I can assure you that LDNR forces have this loop “running” in their Command and Control structures several times faster than the same is with Ukraine’s “army”. Several S-300s here and there, and few old T-64s and even 300 000 of Ukrainian personnel (a euphemism for brainwashed badly trained recruits) do not even understand what it means to have most of targeting information already distributed through tactical and operational networks of their adversary and this adversary having already fire means (ognevye sredstva) assigned to annihilate them once the order comes. This is beyond your grasp and that is why you continue to post here all kinds of Ukie shitty propaganda, like this:
    “Thanks to that, at least in terms of the human factor, it should be possible in a relatively short period of time to increase the Ukrainian army’s degree of combat readiness”

    Modern Armed Forces, and we are talking about Russia, wouldn’t even allow this so called army to see them–they will demolish all Ukrainian C4ISR first, especially C3, by stand-off weaponry and then cavalry will go in, with targets already shown and assigned on the level of company, or even platoon. Any direct involvement of Russia means one thing–the end of the junta in Kiev and disintegration of Ukraine, with LDNR forward forces rolling over Kreshatick within weeks. You can continue to reside in your delusion whatever you want but you have no idea what are you taking about. You are paid Ukie troll who spreads non-stop BS here.
     

    Replies: @Mikel, @QCIC, @Philip Owen, @Gerard1234

    Putin obviously never read AK’s blog. I don’t know why people seemed to have problems getting the joke. But perhaps he did become a follower of Martyanov’s. That would explain a lot.

    • LOL: AP
    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    Putin obviously never read AK’s blog. I don’t know why people seemed to have problems getting the joke. But perhaps he did become a follower of Martyanov’s. That would explain a lot.
     
    Probably it reflects that Putin and Martyanov are of a similar generation with shared assumptions (Soviet military doctrine is the best, West is weak, Ukraine is fake and people in Ukraine don't believe in it, etc.). Sovok boomers, mediocre graduates with mediocre Soviet-era careers. Martyanov failed at life, ending up in the USA and working as some kind of high school math tutor. Putin was spectacularly successful, working as a fixer for a corrupt Leningrad politician, proving his usefulness to the Yeltsin clan and beyond who probably underestimated him. I disagree with Karlin that Putin is an idiot (an idiot would not have gotten that far) but he is a mediocrity lucky enough to have been in the right place at the right time, who played the cards that fell into his lap well.

    Replies: @QCIC

  655. @Gerard1234
    @AP


    The source was Russian state television directly. The commenter on Russian TV was complaining that in Donbas the Russian forces would fire from positions close to civilian objects, then move quickly, and then Ukrainians would target those positions and as a result destroy civilian objects.

    You assert that Russian experts on Russian state tv lie on behalf of Ukraine?
     
    Obviously nothing gets confirmed as a definitive lie more than when a diseased sociopathic POS as yourself provides a link to it! An incredible amount of commentators time has been wasted by an attention-whore sewer-rat like you providing fake/deceitful links on here. So without looking at a single second of the video .......I can safely conclude:

    1. It's not true
    2. It's 1 million percent a video from 2014/15 not the SMO
    3. Put there because it's clear projection.
    4. As you are such a thick bimbo, you can't understand why there is absolutely no way that military action would be happening in the SMO, in Donetsk, from Donetsk into ukronazi controlled areas.
    5. Moving on from the date issue, which totally destroys your nonsense, in addition it will be a total distortion of what the Russian commentator was saying. Almost as bad as khokhol "historians" writings.


    One of the reasons why it was so important to drive the Nazi excrement out of Donetsk Airport in 2015 ( of course, with these scum they were not supposed to be there after the first Minsk Agreement)was because it was the primary launching area for the ukroswine to fire into Donetsk, primarily at civilians and civilian infrastructure. No air power used after July 2014 , made its importance as a launchpad for firing into Donetsk and terrorise these great people even more obvious.

    Getting the vermin out of there was one of the key drivers for the next agreement, and with it and a few more annihilations of the ukronazis at the time of or within a few days after that next Minsk agreement....greatly reduced military action towards LDNR occurred. Its not in dispute that ukronazis targeted civilians and civilian infrastructure in Donetsk:

    1. Before armed resistance in Donbass
    2.During armed resistance in Donbass
    3. After Minsk 2 Agreement

    Lavrov’s daughter did live in New York
     
    I answered this bimbo nonsense before you retard. Lavrov was UN Ambassador ( so living in New York) for several years. As such it is idiotic to try and make any point involving his daughter studying there. You faking being"Ukrainian" and wasting millions of hours on here while not allowing a desperate Ukrainian family to share the place you reside in (while American government has made this an easy thing to do and will sponsor)......is of course less so obvious to explain.

    Replies: @Derer, @AP

    So without looking at a single second of the video

    Reality is hard to deal with for you, we know.

    It’s 1 million percent a video from 2014/15 not the SMO

    At :24 in the background there is the writing about “военная операция на Украине”

    It wasn’t described that way in 2014.

    You failed as usual.

    (video under “more” for the sake of convenience)

    [MORE]

  656. @Derer
    @Gerard1234

    It is a waste of time to be serious in responding to that illiterate insect.

    Replies: @AP

    It is a waste of time to be serious in responding to that illiterate insect.

    He (and you) probably couldn’t read what was in the video, hence the silly claim it was from 2014 (I don’t believe him when he wrote that he didn’t watch it).

  657. @Gerard1234
    @Yevardian


    That a Jew ends up dominating even this field would seem to vindicate the HBD thesis of high Jewish IQ and intellectual accomplishment that Unz otherwise strenuously denies. [LOL]
     
    Nice point - but its a fact that a jew saying or hosting people saying anti-rootless cosmopolitan and anti-Zionist things is more likely to be taken seriously, or less possible to have a campaign to get the website removed.......than if its a non-Jew saying the same things.

    Same principle could occur with a black guy self-hating.

    American Jew Zionist "comedians" , entertainers, film producers etc exploit and make money off anti-semitic stuff all the time - "jokes" about the Holocaust, having films with stereotypical vile Jewish characters ( Tom Cruise played one in a blatant Jewish produce film), the guy with the horses head on his bed in The Godfather, the Jew who does that Borat thing has used blatant anti-jew stuff to make money.
    Mel Gibson does a film that isn't anti-semitic at all, and mostly Jews in powerful American entertainment position start squealing about it. It looks like the film was independently produced (i.e not Jewish) and it making alot of money must have been the driving force in the "anti-semitic" allegations.

    That doesn't mean there should be lunatic theories blaming Jews for every possible event ( like the french journalists getting shot dead).....but the issue is very complex.

    I am convinced, that among other groups, Jewish Pogrom-descended scum in America and Canada are playing the highest role in the anti-Russian policies of the west. They are effectively holocaust-deniers......well, they can't live with the fact that Russians stopped the holocaust. Not other Jews like in France, Argentina , Germany, Israel ......but some North American pogrom-descended weirdo's ( and 1970's Soviet emigree Jew pricks)

    Replies: @Derer

    The movie “The Passion of the Christ” faced vitriolic criticism of every Jewish organization (the number of Jewish organizations on taxpayers payroll is astounding for a 2% minority) for being antisemitic and too violent.

    On the other hand, thousands of highly violent movies produced by the holocaust industry are pushed and promoted by the Hollywood nest to enhance the victimhood card.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Derer

    I didn't think it was antisemitic at all.

    It is the most violent movie ever made, in that it is the only movie I have ever seen where the violence was in excess of what I could stand to watch. I quit before the Romans stopped beating Jesus the first time. I saw clips of the crucifixion and it looked pretty bad but when I watched the movie I never got close to that part.

    How in the universe would it be possible to make this movie and not have the Jews look dreadful? It is sort of an absurd critique.

    Replies: @Derer

  658. @Mikel
    @AP

    Putin obviously never read AK's blog. I don't know why people seemed to have problems getting the joke. But perhaps he did become a follower of Martyanov's. That would explain a lot.

    Replies: @AP

    Putin obviously never read AK’s blog. I don’t know why people seemed to have problems getting the joke. But perhaps he did become a follower of Martyanov’s. That would explain a lot.

    Probably it reflects that Putin and Martyanov are of a similar generation with shared assumptions (Soviet military doctrine is the best, West is weak, Ukraine is fake and people in Ukraine don’t believe in it, etc.). Sovok boomers, mediocre graduates with mediocre Soviet-era careers. Martyanov failed at life, ending up in the USA and working as some kind of high school math tutor. Putin was spectacularly successful, working as a fixer for a corrupt Leningrad politician, proving his usefulness to the Yeltsin clan and beyond who probably underestimated him. I disagree with Karlin that Putin is an idiot (an idiot would not have gotten that far) but he is a mediocrity lucky enough to have been in the right place at the right time, who played the cards that fell into his lap well.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    Blah, blah, blah

  659. @Derer
    @Gerard1234

    The movie "The Passion of the Christ" faced vitriolic criticism of every Jewish organization (the number of Jewish organizations on taxpayers payroll is astounding for a 2% minority) for being antisemitic and too violent.

    On the other hand, thousands of highly violent movies produced by the holocaust industry are pushed and promoted by the Hollywood nest to enhance the victimhood card.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    I didn’t think it was antisemitic at all.

    It is the most violent movie ever made, in that it is the only movie I have ever seen where the violence was in excess of what I could stand to watch. I quit before the Romans stopped beating Jesus the first time. I saw clips of the crucifixion and it looked pretty bad but when I watched the movie I never got close to that part.

    How in the universe would it be possible to make this movie and not have the Jews look dreadful? It is sort of an absurd critique.

    • Replies: @Derer
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    That violent event must have been extraordinary, in fact it created 2.38 bill followers, while the perpetrators attracted only 16 mill after 2000+ years.

  660. @songbird
    @LondonBob

    There is some ongoing drama between AA and Woods. Hard to understand.


    Both have value, even the troon does,
     
    I think AA's had a few different trannies on. Forget the name of one but I found even the voice pattern deeply disturbing. I mean on the level of core instinct, not abstraction.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Not listened to AA, although I have read his stuff, didn’t realise one of the Scrumpmonkey people was a troon, just sounded like two blokes to me. Their stuff on housing, immigration and containment strategies are very informative.

  661. Sher Singh says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    We all are fascists now.

    Nick Land used to be progressive. It was not that long ago either.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Summary of populist delusion

    Leadership is Oligarchal
    Organization is oligarchal; even in democracy
    Customary right; leaders & society oppose downward mobility (similar pos PM to CEO)
    Leadership moves toward power; German Left became pro-war pre WW1
    Knowledge, communication, political skills – key resources of leaders

    Powers either converge (bureaucratize) or compete (feudalism)
    Bureaucracy kills innovation, ambition – bioleninism
    Political theology – violence is mystical
    MAHAKAAL

    mangerialism = collective planning & jobs vs private enterprise & opportunities
    corporate state
    People fight for Monarchy WW1 – drafted for managers WW2
    Large property interests converge w/ corporates (mangerialism) (woke capital)
    media board room techniques

    [MORE]

    He mentions global structures becoming high & local regions low in team against nation govs.
    He doesn’t go as far as saying America Globohomo becomes High vs smaller states?
    Idk.

    HE’S PERSIAN OF COURSE HE ACCEPT TRANNIES
    LMFAO

  662. @AnonfromTN
    @Hyperborean


    If Russia conquers most of the country, a majority will likely decamp to somewhere
    else instead.
     
    That’s what Western propaganda would like you to believe. In reality, about 80% will stay put and accept regime change. Maybe even more, if current regime continues to forcibly draft everyone who moves and send them for slaughter.

    the country is going to be ruined and reconstruction is going to be expensive and probably take decades.
     
    The regions Russia takes will be reconstructed within 5-7 years. Considering rundown state of most Ukrainian infrastructure even before 2022, whatever Russia does will be a huge improvement. Whatever Putin decides to leave as an “independent” Ukraine (ever read Saymak’s “Goblin sanctuary”?) will take a very long time to recover: neither Russia, nor anybody else will invest in it.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    5-7 years? I wonder what you base this optimistic forecast on? Even before Putler’s schmo, outside of Moscow and Peter little was done to modernize Russia’s infrastructure in the rural countryside (most of the country), and this was during boom times for Russia’s economy.

  663. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Second, the “joke” is obviously a Ukie invention: a) most “info” about the residence of Russian officials’ relatives is untrue, almost all of these fakes were invented and spread by Ukies
     
    You think most Russians don’t assume that Russian officials’ relatives live abroad?

    You are one of the most gullible people out there but you doubt that Lavrov’s daughter lived in New York? How do you suppose she got her degree from Columbia?

    Peskov’s daughter:

    https://www.brusselstimes.com/220076/kremlin-kids-living-it-up-in-the-west

    As a young girl, Peskova attended the elite French school Ecole des Roches, just outside of Paris. The registration fee is €35,000 a year and flying lessons are part of extra-curricular activities. After being educated at a boarding school, Peskova did an internship at Louis Vuitton and got a marketing diploma at a French business school. Then, she completed an internship at the European Parliament.

    She hasn't hidden her preference for the West. She told the Russian news site Gazeta.ru in 2017 that the education system in Russia is "a real hell" and that she just "feels better in a European environment".

    :::::::::::::

    If it were a movie it would be a very funny dark comedy: these guys making such decisions send their kids abroad and live great lives, Moscow where the lower elites live is a wonder-city, while Donbas cities get obliterated and 100,000+ suckers mostly from poor Russian provincial towns get their guts blown out in some Ukrainian fields. While you cheer it on from the comfort of Tennessee, living off money given to you by your American hosts whom you consider to be dumb suckers (but you at least admit that they are decent). However dumb they may be, Americans at least don’t allow themselves to get killed by 100,000+ in some field as Russians have unfortunately allowed their government to do in a war of choice that you support.

    BLM is another would-be dark comedy. Sadly, these are not from movies and real people die.

    Btw Russians have admitted that their troops draw fire into residential areas in Donbas:

    https://twitter.com/adnashmyash/status/1742821456021467519?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234, @Mr. Hack

    While you cheer it on from the comfort of Tennessee, living off money to you by your American hosts whom you consider to be dumb suckers (but you at least admit that they are decent).

    I sometimes wonder how Janissary’s American’s hosts would react if they knew about his unmitigated kremlin stooge activities and opinions? He is an ungrateful lout here and was a bad apple when he lived in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Hack, we know you are a creep. No need to keep reminding us.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  664. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Projection? Ukies do it all the time. In fact, their anti-missile rockets repeatedly hit residential buildings in Ukrainian cities because their launchers are located in residential areas.
     
    What Ukies?

    Explain why the Russian analyst on Russian state TV asked the Russian military not to shoot at Ukrainian positions from places right next to civilian areas in Donbas, leading to the destruction of civilian objects.

    That wasn't a Ukrainian saying it.

    It was an admission by Russians that civilian deaths in Donbas were at least in part caused by Russians shooting out of civilian areas.

    Or maybe sour grapes: despite their ruthlessness and disregard for human life, Ukies are losing badly
     
    Russians haven't even managed to capture Avdiivka yet. After almost 2 years of war, Russians have only managed to hold 8% of the country (they had 10% before the 2022 invasion).

    Imagine if after 2 years, the Americans only managed to hold 8% of Iraq and no major cities or regional capitals, and bragged about the Iraqis "losing badly." It would be rather pathetic, wouldn't it?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Profesor Tennessee is unable to come to terms with the content of the Russian analyst’s remarks because it’s clear evidence that goes against a major tenet of his that he’s held here for several years. Such is the fate of all cowards:
    Professor Janissary, reappear and address the remarks of the Russian Analyst…

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    AP wrote:


    It was an admission by Russians that civilian deaths in Donbas were at least in part caused by Russians shooting out of civilian areas.
     
    The video does not convey what you and AP suggest. The speaker is acknowledging that heavy combat in populated areas can lead to major civilian casualties. I thought everyone already knew this. It is another reason why you shouldn't let your friends (Ukies) start a proxy war.

    This is different from intentionally targeting civilians or using civilians as a human shield.

    By the way, the Russians have given civilians two years to evacuate Kharkov and Kiev. At some point the military may decide they have been adequately cautious.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  665. @Yevardian
    @Coconuts

    It was a compilation, translated into English. The whole blurb just warns about how seductively evil the book's contents are, and there's a lengthy critical introduction (didn't it) as well further elaborating on how incredibly dangerous reading Gobineau is for anyone not already innoculated against rightoid thought.

    It includes the first chapter of 'The Inequality of the Human Races' in full, where he outlines his main theory, then it breaks off into a page summarising the contents of the next 4 chapters, then provides his conclusion in full.

    Reading Gobineau's extremely pessimistic conclusion predicting the inevitable, irreversible death of all human creativity, progress and vitality, long before the human animal itself will go extinct, reminded me strongly of Houellebecq actually. Particularly his novel "The Possibility of an Island", probably the most miserable of all his works, with the least sympathetic and even loathesome protagonist (who mentions casually in passing that his son commited suicide, and the world was probably better off for that). Both of which say a lot considering Houllebecq's novels generally.

    There's an image posted of the blurb of the Gobineau compilation so you can see what I mean.

    https://twitter.com/haravayin_hogh/status/1738139654518665385

    Replies: @Coconuts

    It was a compilation, translated into English. The whole blurb just warns about how seductively evil the book’s contents are, and there’s a lengthy critical introduction (didn’t it) as well further elaborating on how incredibly dangerous reading Gobineau is for anyone not already innoculated against rightoid thought.

    It is the same compilation I have, from the ‘Roots of the Right’ series. Unfortunately I’m away from home at the moment so I can’t look at my copy. When I was reading it I remember thinking that the introduction could have been worse if it had been written more recently, like in 1960s and early 70s anti-racism it was still possible to publish some academic studies of Gobineau, whereas now it probably would be harder.

    The other parts of it I remember are the spicy descriptions of the character of the main races, and the lyrical doomer conclusion. That’s the part that made the biggest impression on me I think. The connection to Possibility of an Island is intriguing, I haven’t reread that one since I first got a copy years ago, I might have a look at it again when I get back. I recall the cynical narrator, he’s a comedian iirc?

    I have a couple of other books from the ‘Roots of the Right’ series that I found in second hand bookshops ~20 years ago. When the Woke thing broke out in 2020 it somehow inspired me to look at them again; the one on the French right turned out to be the starting point for a decent amount of reading over the last few years. There’s a pretty significant cultural tradition there I was only partly aware of before, but I think it does make where Houellebecq came from easier to understand.

    The other thing about the writers in the French and Italian ‘Roots of the Right’ volumes is that a number of them came out of the left wing, in their time they were socialists and revolutionary syndicalists, so you can see how the left/right distinction has shifted over time.

  666. @A123
    @ShortOnTime


    it seems Israel is preparing to invade Lebanon (South Lebanon and Beirut presumably) even before Gaza has been completely finished
     
    This does not seem to be the case at all. The usual loud voices are saying the predictable extreme things. However, they do not appear to be shaping policy.

    Rather the reverse is in play. Israel is using air power to prevent Hezbollah from organizing a large scale offensive. This heads off public pressure for a counter offensive into Lebanon.

    A reduction in Gaza tempo is coming. Keeping a full activation of reservists in the field is quite expensive. Cutting back on troops under arms points clearly against any major ground action in Lebanon.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @ShortOnTime

    A reduction in Gaza tempo is coming. Keeping a full activation of reservists in the field is quite expensive.

    Maybe. Or perhaps Israel is shifting its brigades onto the front against Hezbollah (the latest package of 155mm artillery ammunition that Blinken provided to Israel just before new years eve was directed against Hezbollah). The Lebanon border with Hezbollah is the most challenging front that Israel faces compared to Gaza, the West Bank and the Golan heights.

    Either way, it’s clear that dehydration and starvation will take more of a toll in Gaza.

    Rather the reverse is in play. Israel is using air power to prevent Hezbollah from organizing a large scale offensive.

    Air superiority (one could arguably speak of air domination in the case of Israel against Hamas, the other Palestinian armed groups and Hezbollah) isn’t everything in war. Concealment, cover and dispersion mean that operational and tactical practices taking advantage of the natural terrain and geography, including built-up urban areas and fortifications, to some degree negates the advantages of air superiority and the power of heavy weaponry in general (this core aspect of war is what’s commonly overlooked by all the high technology weapons and firepower enthusiasts). Anyway, Hezbollah is unlikely to attack Israel in any major ground offensive beyond the skirmishing it’s been doing since soon after October 7th (aside from Israel’s overall relative firepower superiority, the IDF’s well prepared and entrenched fortified positions make that clear).

    • Replies: @A123
    @ShortOnTime



    A reduction in Gaza tempo is coming. Keeping a full activation of reservists in the field is quite expensive.
     
    Maybe. Or perhaps Israel is shifting its brigades onto the front against Hezbollah
     
    This appears exceedingly unlikely. Netanyahu's administration has to pass their next budget in around 12 months. That process is made much smoother, by returning manpower to the civilian economy well before the estimations begins. That would give the numbers both decreased expenditures and increased revenue versus current status.

    Hezbollah is unlikely to attack Israel in any major ground offensive beyond the skirmishing it’s been doing since soon after October 7th
     
    I hope you are correct. And, this seems likely to me as well. If Hezbollah does not escalate, then there is no need for an Israeli counter offensive.

    PEACE 😇
  667. Did Shaka Zulu have the right idea about segregating the sexes?

    28 out of 38 men surveyed in this South African township said they had raped a woman:
    https://news.sky.com/story/shocking-attitudes-to-rape-in-south-africa-10433820

  668. @ShortOnTime
    @A123


    A reduction in Gaza tempo is coming. Keeping a full activation of reservists in the field is quite expensive.

     

    Maybe. Or perhaps Israel is shifting its brigades onto the front against Hezbollah (the latest package of 155mm artillery ammunition that Blinken provided to Israel just before new years eve was directed against Hezbollah). The Lebanon border with Hezbollah is the most challenging front that Israel faces compared to Gaza, the West Bank and the Golan heights.

    Either way, it's clear that dehydration and starvation will take more of a toll in Gaza.


    Rather the reverse is in play. Israel is using air power to prevent Hezbollah from organizing a large scale offensive.

     

    Air superiority (one could arguably speak of air domination in the case of Israel against Hamas, the other Palestinian armed groups and Hezbollah) isn't everything in war. Concealment, cover and dispersion mean that operational and tactical practices taking advantage of the natural terrain and geography, including built-up urban areas and fortifications, to some degree negates the advantages of air superiority and the power of heavy weaponry in general (this core aspect of war is what's commonly overlooked by all the high technology weapons and firepower enthusiasts). Anyway, Hezbollah is unlikely to attack Israel in any major ground offensive beyond the skirmishing it's been doing since soon after October 7th (aside from Israel's overall relative firepower superiority, the IDF's well prepared and entrenched fortified positions make that clear).

    Replies: @A123

    A reduction in Gaza tempo is coming. Keeping a full activation of reservists in the field is quite expensive.

    Maybe. Or perhaps Israel is shifting its brigades onto the front against Hezbollah

    This appears exceedingly unlikely. Netanyahu’s administration has to pass their next budget in around 12 months. That process is made much smoother, by returning manpower to the civilian economy well before the estimations begins. That would give the numbers both decreased expenditures and increased revenue versus current status.

    Hezbollah is unlikely to attack Israel in any major ground offensive beyond the skirmishing it’s been doing since soon after October 7th

    I hope you are correct. And, this seems likely to me as well. If Hezbollah does not escalate, then there is no need for an Israeli counter offensive.

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: ShortOnTime
  669. @AP
    @QCIC

    This quote/prediction by Martyanov is pure gold (apologies for posting it again, but it has been a year or so IIRC):


    Ukrainian military is a collection of a technological obsolete junk and operational concepts which are not suited for modern warfare. This military is drowned in corruption, drugs, alcohol and is not trained whatsoever to conduct a modern maneuverable warfare based on the Netcentric principles and involving newest state-of-the-art C4ISR. Ukraine simple has NO scientific, industrial or military capacity to have this, nor has it access to that. The only reason so called NATO military “professionals” are hanging around Yavorsky range and “advising” Ukie army is not to help but to collect all possibly so called war correlates they can, while it is still possible. LDNR forces, despite being vastly outnumbered, have access to this, which they demonstrated in Debaltsevo, Ilovaisk and many other places where this so called “battle hardened” Ukie army ran like hell. You do not understand what OODA (and its frequency) is in modern warfare but I can assure you that LDNR forces have this loop “running” in their Command and Control structures several times faster than the same is with Ukraine’s “army”. Several S-300s here and there, and few old T-64s and even 300 000 of Ukrainian personnel (a euphemism for brainwashed badly trained recruits) do not even understand what it means to have most of targeting information already distributed through tactical and operational networks of their adversary and this adversary having already fire means (ognevye sredstva) assigned to annihilate them once the order comes. This is beyond your grasp and that is why you continue to post here all kinds of Ukie shitty propaganda, like this:
    “Thanks to that, at least in terms of the human factor, it should be possible in a relatively short period of time to increase the Ukrainian army’s degree of combat readiness”

    Modern Armed Forces, and we are talking about Russia, wouldn’t even allow this so called army to see them–they will demolish all Ukrainian C4ISR first, especially C3, by stand-off weaponry and then cavalry will go in, with targets already shown and assigned on the level of company, or even platoon. Any direct involvement of Russia means one thing–the end of the junta in Kiev and disintegration of Ukraine, with LDNR forward forces rolling over Kreshatick within weeks. You can continue to reside in your delusion whatever you want but you have no idea what are you taking about. You are paid Ukie troll who spreads non-stop BS here.
     

    Replies: @Mikel, @QCIC, @Philip Owen, @Gerard1234

    This fun quote doesn’t change my comment about plankton. I have enjoyed reading posts and articles by Karlin and Martyanov and benefited from their arguments. I don’t expect either to be right all the time or even most of the time. I will continue to read if they remain informative or thought provoking.

    I don’t think military commenters such as the ones you deride can fully recognize the Russian plan for the SMO. The explanation I have previously offered seems to fill in some of the gaps. This reality is very war-like, i.e. a brutal scenario which would never be acknowledged by the Russian government.

    I have always been in a middle camp as far as Russian military-industrial capability is concerned. I understand they have the scientific and technological base to develop important new systems while recognizing they have monumental difficulties bringing many projects to large scale production. They recently received the 50th Su-57 fighter aircraft. This is arguably the most advanced fighter in the world which suggests the Russian military is not helpless. Nonetheless, I’m sure their air force would like to have an additional 200 of these planes.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @QCIC


    I have enjoyed reading posts and articles by Karlin and Martyanov and benefited from their arguments
     
    Months before the war Martyanov was laughing off not just Ukraine's military but all of NATO, saying - with great confidence I might add - that its armies would be wiped out in days against invincible Russia. Last time I checked in on him, around autumn 2022 when Russia was abandoning territory it has formally annexed days or weeks before, he was talking as though the war - sorry, Special Military Operation - was all going according to plan. These Sovoks live in such a self-contained separate world it's easy to see why they lost the Cold War.

    Replies: @QCIC

  670. @AP
    @Mikel


    Putin obviously never read AK’s blog. I don’t know why people seemed to have problems getting the joke. But perhaps he did become a follower of Martyanov’s. That would explain a lot.
     
    Probably it reflects that Putin and Martyanov are of a similar generation with shared assumptions (Soviet military doctrine is the best, West is weak, Ukraine is fake and people in Ukraine don't believe in it, etc.). Sovok boomers, mediocre graduates with mediocre Soviet-era careers. Martyanov failed at life, ending up in the USA and working as some kind of high school math tutor. Putin was spectacularly successful, working as a fixer for a corrupt Leningrad politician, proving his usefulness to the Yeltsin clan and beyond who probably underestimated him. I disagree with Karlin that Putin is an idiot (an idiot would not have gotten that far) but he is a mediocrity lucky enough to have been in the right place at the right time, who played the cards that fell into his lap well.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Blah, blah, blah

  671. @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    While you cheer it on from the comfort of Tennessee, living off money to you by your American hosts whom you consider to be dumb suckers (but you at least admit that they are decent).
     
    I sometimes wonder how Janissary's American's hosts would react if they knew about his unmitigated kremlin stooge activities and opinions? He is an ungrateful lout here and was a bad apple when he lived in Ukraine.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Hack, we know you are a creep. No need to keep reminding us.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    It's good to know that you still read and value my output here. Others like kremlnstoogeA123 claim that they do not:


    I will continue to read if they remain informative or thought provoking.

     

    Replies: @QCIC

  672. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Hack, we know you are a creep. No need to keep reminding us.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    It’s good to know that you still read and value my output here. Others like kremlnstoogeA123 claim that they do not:

    I will continue to read if they remain informative or thought provoking.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    When times get tough I can always fall back on my old theory that you and A123 are two alternative personalities of the same person, constantly pecking away at each other like a couple of old hens.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

  673. Thus goes Professor Tennessee’s strict adherence to the scientific method:

    If the evidence doesn’t support your theory pretend that it doesn’t exist, or better yet throw out the evidence.

    [MORE]


    The Professor is gone again, looking for the right data that will support his Ukrainophobic theories. 🙂

  674. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Profesor Tennessee is unable to come to terms with the content of the Russian analyst's remarks because it's clear evidence that goes against a major tenet of his that he's held here for several years. Such is the fate of all cowards:

    https://images.cartoonstock.com/lowres/hobbies-leisure-rough_neighbourhood-tough_neighbourhood-rough_neighborhood-tough_neighborhood-sandpit-CS563235_low.jpg
    Professor Janissary, reappear and address the remarks of the Russian Analyst...

    Replies: @QCIC

    AP wrote:

    It was an admission by Russians that civilian deaths in Donbas were at least in part caused by Russians shooting out of civilian areas.

    The video does not convey what you and AP suggest. The speaker is acknowledging that heavy combat in populated areas can lead to major civilian casualties. I thought everyone already knew this. It is another reason why you shouldn’t let your friends (Ukies) start a proxy war.

    This is different from intentionally targeting civilians or using civilians as a human shield.

    By the way, the Russians have given civilians two years to evacuate Kharkov and Kiev. At some point the military may decide they have been adequately cautious.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC


    The speaker is acknowledging that heavy combat in populated areas can lead to major civilian casualties.
     
    The military expert does not state this! What he states is that because Russian military figures often hide between civilian buildings, this exposes them (the civilians) to becoming possible innocent victims. He also states that Ukrainian artillery is "very accurate" and that the Ukrainian military is not intentionally targeting civilian buildings. Finally, he puts 2 + 2 together and pleas with the Russian side to stay at least 200 meters away from any civilian buildings to help prevent any possible hits on any civilians.

    Replies: @QCIC

  675. @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    It's good to know that you still read and value my output here. Others like kremlnstoogeA123 claim that they do not:


    I will continue to read if they remain informative or thought provoking.

     

    Replies: @QCIC

    When times get tough I can always fall back on my old theory that you and A123 are two alternative personalities of the same person, constantly pecking away at each other like a couple of old hens.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    The "old hen" thing is gone over in some depth within the Russian cartoon that I included yesterday (comment #607). I'm a bit sorry to see that apparently nobody here took the time to watch and acknowledge it (really a minor masterpiece IMHO). Where's Ivashka or even songbird with his apparently feigned great love of animals when you need them? Why do I tediously waste my time writing this content here if nobody seems to appreciates it? :-)

    , @A123
    @QCIC

    No. Mr. Hack is mentally ill. I have had him blocked on medical compassion grounds for more than a year. The last thing I would do is "peck" at him. As a Christian:

    • I feel great pity for Mr. Hack.
    • And, I offer forgiveness.

    Alas, there is no way for anyone to help him until he wants to get better.

    PEACE 😇

  676. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @German_reader


    but it was very bad style from me to descend to the level of such insults.
     
    It's not about style (and you are typically measured, at least towards non-EEs), it's characteristic of your overall condescending attitude - you have a strange kind of a very negative animus towards me. I admit that a lot of what I've posted over the years has been pure emotional trolling (this is simply because I have to lead a rather structured life with obligations and have no other emotional outlet, and, yes, I understand it's unseemly) but not even all of it, and some of what I posted was intentionally provocative - mostly for entertainment purposes, to deal with boredom. Also, I had to address some of the blatant misrepresentations here and attacks on my own nation and its history.

    However, I know several Eastern Euro languages, not just Russian - this is something that practically none of you here do. I have real life sources and my background has allowed me to see things you haven't seen.

    I knew that some anti-Russia posts would illicit a negative reaction. However, what did you guys expect - to not have the position of Russia's neighbors represented on a Russian reaction forum?

    I have already taken a ton of hostility and rudeness on this forum - some of it slightly provoked maybe, but most of it - completely undeserved and a lot of it based on bigotry. Just because people do not want to hear about reality - all aspects of it. They don't like their comfortable little truths to be challenged.


    like her enthusiasm for sending those “Free Russians” over the border
     
    That's just because I get excited by such wild paramilitary types - sorry, it's a personal weakness that I will admit. I recognize that it is questionable and somewhat unethical to support some of their activity - but then again, it is also unethical how the Putin regime has treated some of them prior (not to mention the invasion). They are on their own land and they have a right to fight for their freedom. Свободу России!

    As to Toly's latest outburst of graphomania - yes, it is hilarious and funny, but I'm really puzzled as to how you guys did not notice his orientation from the get go (granted, he did hide it well) - I was aware of it years ago. It's just the most elaborate and hilarious coming out I've ever seen.

    As to the Dark Elves - a translator friend of mine who knows Tolkien very well, once told me that some of the elves were taken captive either by orcs or by some dark forces and bred with them so this is how the Dark Elves came into this world - I'm not sure if he just made that up or if it's somewhere in the books (I don't recall such a thing, but then I didn't scour through them the way he did), but Morgul means sorcery in Sindarin, and it is somehow connected to the Nazgul. So these Dark Elves are somehow connected to this. That's how he explained it, but he may have made it up (he had created his own "mythical persona" based on that).

    To Mr Hack: rest assured I will not be abandoning our cause, our common freedom, but will find a more productive way to fight for it (without toxicity and insults).

    Enjoy your eco chamber, gentlemen.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @songbird, @S, @Derer, @German_reader

    Enjoy your eco chamber, gentlemen.

    It wasn’t my intention to drive you away. I suggest you reconsider, since several commenters here seem to greatly enjoy your comments, and I should be off myself anyway, so I won’t get in your way.
    Btw, it’s not primarily that you’re “anti-Russian” what irks me so much about your comments. Given the arrogant attitude towards your people regularly shown by the Russian commenters like Gerard or AnonfromTN (or “Russophiles” like Beckow) that would be understandable, especially given the historical background. It’s the “romantic”, all-or-nothing character of your outlook. imo that kind of thinking is going to lead to disaster. If we’re really unlucky, to a civilization-ending apocalypse. But more likely, “just” to a smaller-scale disaster. On present trends Ukraine will eventually lose the war. I don’t think that’s a good outcome, and obviously much of the moral blame rests on Russian chauvinists and Russia’s imperial-minded secret police elites. But those in the West who were against any attempt at finding some sort of compromise solution (and I think that’s a fair characterization of your views) will have contributed to this disaster.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @German_reader


    It wasn’t my intention to drive you away.
     
    People here, including herself, keep receiving much worse personal attacks all the time. If you drive her away just with a mild zoomorphic comment, that means that she values your opinion very much.


    Given the arrogant attitude towards your people regularly shown by the Russian commenters like Gerard or AnonfromTN (or “Russophiles” like Beckow) that would be understandable
     
    Yes, it's understandable. But it's not difficult to understand where some of the Russians' attitude comes from either. If you are constantly portrayed as backward and inferior, becoming arrogant towards your accusers is a natural defensive mechanism. It's probably a chicken and egg situation.

    In fact, that's all I think there is behind this war. The Russians felt slighted by everybody to their West, now including what they thought were their closest neighbors, and they couldn't take it any more. You see this feeling quite clearly even in some of Putin's statements before the war.

    What I find incredibly stupid is how the rest of us got deeply involved in these EE family disputes. Once Russia decided to turn them into a full WW2-style invasion it was impossible to ignore the matter but why did Western countries actually foment those animosities and let them reach this point?

    Replies: @German_reader

  677. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    AP wrote:


    It was an admission by Russians that civilian deaths in Donbas were at least in part caused by Russians shooting out of civilian areas.
     
    The video does not convey what you and AP suggest. The speaker is acknowledging that heavy combat in populated areas can lead to major civilian casualties. I thought everyone already knew this. It is another reason why you shouldn't let your friends (Ukies) start a proxy war.

    This is different from intentionally targeting civilians or using civilians as a human shield.

    By the way, the Russians have given civilians two years to evacuate Kharkov and Kiev. At some point the military may decide they have been adequately cautious.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    The speaker is acknowledging that heavy combat in populated areas can lead to major civilian casualties.

    The military expert does not state this! What he states is that because Russian military figures often hide between civilian buildings, this exposes them (the civilians) to becoming possible innocent victims. He also states that Ukrainian artillery is “very accurate” and that the Ukrainian military is not intentionally targeting civilian buildings. Finally, he puts 2 + 2 together and pleas with the Russian side to stay at least 200 meters away from any civilian buildings to help prevent any possible hits on any civilians.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    We are saying roughly the same thing, assuming you take the full context for the comments of the Russian military man. He seems to be emphasizing what we knew from the beginning, Russia wants to minimize civilian casualties. This includes Ukrainian and Russian speakers in Ukraine. This can be a major challenge since the Russian troops have been outgunned at times.

    His regret has two aspects: First he doesn't want to kill civilians, but he knows that forcing Russian troops out into the open will get more soldiers killed.

    When fighting in a town, all of the cover is civilian infrastructure and very close to civilians unless they have already fled the area.

    What did the Ukrainians think would happen when they fired howitzers at Russian speakers in Donbas? Maybe they were confused and thought Ukraine was already in NATO so they could hide behind NATO's skirts?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  678. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    Why oh why do commenters like you and Yevardian heap such infantile and unfair criticism on those other commenters here (like myself) for discussing the Russian/Ukrainian war? This website was originally designed to be a forum for all things Russian and therefore the current war should naturally loom to the top of the list of contemporary and important topics to be discussed here. And why pick on those of us who lean towards the Ukrainian side? Why doesn't your derogatory imagery include a disgusting term like a "Russian circle jerk"? If the two of you prefer discussing ancient Greek and Roman literature, certainly there must be other forums that could fulfill your needs much better than here? BTW, I also tire of this war, and often discuss other topics totally unrelated, but feel compelled to talk about this very dangerous war especially after discussing it and its effects with a cousin of mine over the phone (like I did last night) who is now in a deep depression and crying about her feelings about it too. :-(

    Show a little bit more compassion, Okay?

    Replies: @Poupon Marx, @Yevardian, @German_reader

    This website was originally designed to be a forum for all things Russian

    It was the blog of a self-declared “Russian nationalist”. Not a pro-Ukrainian forum in any way, so your argument is a bit strange.
    I’m sorry about your cousin. But I get the impression you consider this comments space mostly to have some sort of therapeutic function. A place where commenters like AP tell you what you want to hear, and where you can insult pro-Russian commenters like AnonfromTN as cowards or Kremlin-stooges. Ok, I suppose that’s one way to approach things, and as my recent outburst against LatW testifies, I’m probably not so different myself after all. Very far though from any sort of genuine discussion where one might actually learn anything.

    certainly there must be other forums that could fulfill your needs

    No thanks. I think this cursed comments section will be my final excursion into forums and similar nonsense. The only thing the internet is good for is stealing books and other intellectual property, the rest was a mistake.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    It was the blog of a self-declared “Russian nationalist”. Not a pro-Ukrainian forum in any way, so your argument is a bit strange.
     
    However, since so many Russians consider Ukraine to be a part and parcel of their own native expression, it has by association become a great place to discuss Ukrainian matters. Both AP and I often discuss other topics here as well, in case you haven't noticed?

    But I get the impression you consider this comments space mostly to have some sort of therapeutic function.
     
    You're right, it does serve some sort of therapeutic value for me. I really do enjoy writing and expressing my thoughts here on so many different subjects, putting together a good coherent sentence. Where else can I get that sort of experience? Writing e-mails at work to destitute clients who need money or helping others to invest their money doesn't always do the trick for me (although my boss says that I'm good at it). :-) AP has even stated that he prefers this sort of kibitzing more than electronic video games for entertainment purposes.

    where you can insult pro-Russian commenters like AnonfromTN as cowards or Kremlin-stooges.
     
    Well, these folks often do betray these innate characteristics, so they shouldn't be considered as "insults" but should be accepted as the character enhancers that they're meant to be. :-)

    The only thing the internet is good for is stealing books and other intellectual property, the rest was a mistake.
     
    Aww. nothing like a good and honest assessment of reality. Karlin was even trying to teach me how to gain access and to and possibly copy films from obscure websites, bless his soul. I do miss the guy on occasion, but even I find some of his new character adaptations to be wild and unreal. :-)

    Replies: @German_reader

  679. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    When times get tough I can always fall back on my old theory that you and A123 are two alternative personalities of the same person, constantly pecking away at each other like a couple of old hens.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    The “old hen” thing is gone over in some depth within the Russian cartoon that I included yesterday (comment #607). I’m a bit sorry to see that apparently nobody here took the time to watch and acknowledge it (really a minor masterpiece IMHO). Where’s Ivashka or even songbird with his apparently feigned great love of animals when you need them? Why do I tediously waste my time writing this content here if nobody seems to appreciates it? 🙂

  680. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    This website was originally designed to be a forum for all things Russian
     
    It was the blog of a self-declared "Russian nationalist". Not a pro-Ukrainian forum in any way, so your argument is a bit strange.
    I'm sorry about your cousin. But I get the impression you consider this comments space mostly to have some sort of therapeutic function. A place where commenters like AP tell you what you want to hear, and where you can insult pro-Russian commenters like AnonfromTN as cowards or Kremlin-stooges. Ok, I suppose that's one way to approach things, and as my recent outburst against LatW testifies, I'm probably not so different myself after all. Very far though from any sort of genuine discussion where one might actually learn anything.

    certainly there must be other forums that could fulfill your needs
     
    No thanks. I think this cursed comments section will be my final excursion into forums and similar nonsense. The only thing the internet is good for is stealing books and other intellectual property, the rest was a mistake.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    It was the blog of a self-declared “Russian nationalist”. Not a pro-Ukrainian forum in any way, so your argument is a bit strange.

    However, since so many Russians consider Ukraine to be a part and parcel of their own native expression, it has by association become a great place to discuss Ukrainian matters. Both AP and I often discuss other topics here as well, in case you haven’t noticed?

    But I get the impression you consider this comments space mostly to have some sort of therapeutic function.

    You’re right, it does serve some sort of therapeutic value for me. I really do enjoy writing and expressing my thoughts here on so many different subjects, putting together a good coherent sentence. Where else can I get that sort of experience? Writing e-mails at work to destitute clients who need money or helping others to invest their money doesn’t always do the trick for me (although my boss says that I’m good at it). 🙂 AP has even stated that he prefers this sort of kibitzing more than electronic video games for entertainment purposes.

    where you can insult pro-Russian commenters like AnonfromTN as cowards or Kremlin-stooges.

    Well, these folks often do betray these innate characteristics, so they shouldn’t be considered as “insults” but should be accepted as the character enhancers that they’re meant to be. 🙂

    The only thing the internet is good for is stealing books and other intellectual property, the rest was a mistake.

    Aww. nothing like a good and honest assessment of reality. Karlin was even trying to teach me how to gain access and to and possibly copy films from obscure websites, bless his soul. I do miss the guy on occasion, but even I find some of his new character adaptations to be wild and unreal. 🙂

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    Well, these folks often do betray these innate characteristics, so they shouldn’t be considered as “insults” but should be accepted as the character enhancers that they’re meant to be.
     
    Well, your choice. I don't agree with many of AnonfromTN's views, his gloating about Ukraine's coming defeat is unappealing, his interpretation of it as similar to the "previous war against Nazis" bizarre. But still, he's got some personal reasons for the way he feels, like you do given your relatives in Ukraine.
    More generally, I agree with Yevardian, these discussions are just very tiresome, from both sides it's always the same talking points, ad nauseam, there's something very ritualistic about it at this point. But I suppose partly it's because in a sense both Yevardian and me are somewhat like spectators, not the committed partisans of one side or the other like many of you here. Our attitude is more representative of much of the public in Western states though.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Beckow

  681. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    It was the blog of a self-declared “Russian nationalist”. Not a pro-Ukrainian forum in any way, so your argument is a bit strange.
     
    However, since so many Russians consider Ukraine to be a part and parcel of their own native expression, it has by association become a great place to discuss Ukrainian matters. Both AP and I often discuss other topics here as well, in case you haven't noticed?

    But I get the impression you consider this comments space mostly to have some sort of therapeutic function.
     
    You're right, it does serve some sort of therapeutic value for me. I really do enjoy writing and expressing my thoughts here on so many different subjects, putting together a good coherent sentence. Where else can I get that sort of experience? Writing e-mails at work to destitute clients who need money or helping others to invest their money doesn't always do the trick for me (although my boss says that I'm good at it). :-) AP has even stated that he prefers this sort of kibitzing more than electronic video games for entertainment purposes.

    where you can insult pro-Russian commenters like AnonfromTN as cowards or Kremlin-stooges.
     
    Well, these folks often do betray these innate characteristics, so they shouldn't be considered as "insults" but should be accepted as the character enhancers that they're meant to be. :-)

    The only thing the internet is good for is stealing books and other intellectual property, the rest was a mistake.
     
    Aww. nothing like a good and honest assessment of reality. Karlin was even trying to teach me how to gain access and to and possibly copy films from obscure websites, bless his soul. I do miss the guy on occasion, but even I find some of his new character adaptations to be wild and unreal. :-)

    Replies: @German_reader

    Well, these folks often do betray these innate characteristics, so they shouldn’t be considered as “insults” but should be accepted as the character enhancers that they’re meant to be.

    Well, your choice. I don’t agree with many of AnonfromTN’s views, his gloating about Ukraine’s coming defeat is unappealing, his interpretation of it as similar to the “previous war against Nazis” bizarre. But still, he’s got some personal reasons for the way he feels, like you do given your relatives in Ukraine.
    More generally, I agree with Yevardian, these discussions are just very tiresome, from both sides it’s always the same talking points, ad nauseam, there’s something very ritualistic about it at this point. But I suppose partly it’s because in a sense both Yevardian and me are somewhat like spectators, not the committed partisans of one side or the other like many of you here. Our attitude is more representative of much of the public in Western states though.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    And I have absolutely nothing against the bystander views of commenters here like you and Yevardian. They offer unique and valuable points of view.


    More generally, I agree with Yevardian, these discussions are just very tiresome, from both sides it’s always the same talking points, ad nauseam, there’s something very ritualistic about it at this point.
     
    It is what it is, and probably wont change any. You'll just have to "Grin and bear it". :-)
    , @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...there’s something very ritualistic about it at this point.
     
    Good observation. Wars are a serious business, many die and get depressed. The rituals serve a purpose, they give a meaning to the madness. The belief that it all makes sense is spiritual - the human concept of divinity is only a stand-in for finding meaning in the universe. And the belief in meaning needs rituals...

    That's what you, Yevardian, Mikel, others who stand apart are missing: it is too tragic, bloody, the drama is crucially important not to engage - we need a narrative to look for reasons.

    I started out with no dog in this fight. First I was amused by the silly pomposity of the yellow-blue marchers screaming "we are Europe!"...the obvious cargo cult naivete of the hoi polloi forgotten by history. Then the Ukies got serious, they dropped the orange cleaners' outfits - who can forget the "Orange" pre-revolution, started to kill the undesirable "Russians", and were openly pining for some sort of a WW3 "Nato come, let's blow it up together!!!"...

    Then the more sober side - that would be the Russians - gradually and very slowly moved to smother the crazyness. They did it reluctantly, with stupid insistence on "legal" terms, as if they were still hoping it will just go away. Well, it didn't, it just escalated - also thanks to the German failure to be "German", or top be anything for that matter.

    I can see how this depresses people like Mr. Hacks cousin - it is f...ing depressing, so pointless. The moves made by Kiev-Nato are sad, fully committed and also half-ass self-defeating. More important are the moves that each side missed - what they didn't do.

    If Nato lets it it will burn out, we are in the last year...there will depression and pain in Ukraine and among their more devoted partisans. But starting a fire in a snow field hoping it will spread was a fool's errand. What the hell were they thinking?

    The problem with Ukraine is not that everyone wants them, it is the opposite: nobody really wants them. EU is bulls..ing them...if a person is not willing to marry someone, they don't really like them no matter what they whisper in their ears...what a clusterf..k!

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  682. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    Well, these folks often do betray these innate characteristics, so they shouldn’t be considered as “insults” but should be accepted as the character enhancers that they’re meant to be.
     
    Well, your choice. I don't agree with many of AnonfromTN's views, his gloating about Ukraine's coming defeat is unappealing, his interpretation of it as similar to the "previous war against Nazis" bizarre. But still, he's got some personal reasons for the way he feels, like you do given your relatives in Ukraine.
    More generally, I agree with Yevardian, these discussions are just very tiresome, from both sides it's always the same talking points, ad nauseam, there's something very ritualistic about it at this point. But I suppose partly it's because in a sense both Yevardian and me are somewhat like spectators, not the committed partisans of one side or the other like many of you here. Our attitude is more representative of much of the public in Western states though.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Beckow

    And I have absolutely nothing against the bystander views of commenters here like you and Yevardian. They offer unique and valuable points of view.

    More generally, I agree with Yevardian, these discussions are just very tiresome, from both sides it’s always the same talking points, ad nauseam, there’s something very ritualistic about it at this point.

    It is what it is, and probably wont change any. You’ll just have to “Grin and bear it”. 🙂

  683. @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC


    The speaker is acknowledging that heavy combat in populated areas can lead to major civilian casualties.
     
    The military expert does not state this! What he states is that because Russian military figures often hide between civilian buildings, this exposes them (the civilians) to becoming possible innocent victims. He also states that Ukrainian artillery is "very accurate" and that the Ukrainian military is not intentionally targeting civilian buildings. Finally, he puts 2 + 2 together and pleas with the Russian side to stay at least 200 meters away from any civilian buildings to help prevent any possible hits on any civilians.

    Replies: @QCIC

    We are saying roughly the same thing, assuming you take the full context for the comments of the Russian military man. He seems to be emphasizing what we knew from the beginning, Russia wants to minimize civilian casualties. This includes Ukrainian and Russian speakers in Ukraine. This can be a major challenge since the Russian troops have been outgunned at times.

    His regret has two aspects: First he doesn’t want to kill civilians, but he knows that forcing Russian troops out into the open will get more soldiers killed.

    When fighting in a town, all of the cover is civilian infrastructure and very close to civilians unless they have already fled the area.

    What did the Ukrainians think would happen when they fired howitzers at Russian speakers in Donbas? Maybe they were confused and thought Ukraine was already in NATO so they could hide behind NATO’s skirts?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    Apropos a few days ago. It took awhile to get through the whole hour and a half again; it has been years since I last watched this. It is not bad at all. Fox and his collaborators are materialist nuts bolts people. But it is a good compendium of cases.

    I Know What I Saw
    James Fox

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u36QG9hoTh0

  684. @Mr. Hack
    Somehow, I just happened upon this great, surrealistic Russian cartoon from the 1980's. I'm sharing it here as a permanent testament of my appreciation of Russian culture and my new found friendship with Geraldina, enjoy:

    https://youtu.be/WHMdC23S1dE

    Replies: @songbird

    Makes me have sympathy with those hardliners in the army who put Gorbi under house arrest.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Why's that?

    Replies: @songbird

  685. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    Well, these folks often do betray these innate characteristics, so they shouldn’t be considered as “insults” but should be accepted as the character enhancers that they’re meant to be.
     
    Well, your choice. I don't agree with many of AnonfromTN's views, his gloating about Ukraine's coming defeat is unappealing, his interpretation of it as similar to the "previous war against Nazis" bizarre. But still, he's got some personal reasons for the way he feels, like you do given your relatives in Ukraine.
    More generally, I agree with Yevardian, these discussions are just very tiresome, from both sides it's always the same talking points, ad nauseam, there's something very ritualistic about it at this point. But I suppose partly it's because in a sense both Yevardian and me are somewhat like spectators, not the committed partisans of one side or the other like many of you here. Our attitude is more representative of much of the public in Western states though.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Beckow

    …there’s something very ritualistic about it at this point.

    Good observation. Wars are a serious business, many die and get depressed. The rituals serve a purpose, they give a meaning to the madness. The belief that it all makes sense is spiritual – the human concept of divinity is only a stand-in for finding meaning in the universe. And the belief in meaning needs rituals…

    That’s what you, Yevardian, Mikel, others who stand apart are missing: it is too tragic, bloody, the drama is crucially important not to engage – we need a narrative to look for reasons.

    I started out with no dog in this fight. First I was amused by the silly pomposity of the yellow-blue marchers screaming “we are Europe!”…the obvious cargo cult naivete of the hoi polloi forgotten by history. Then the Ukies got serious, they dropped the orange cleaners’ outfits – who can forget the “Orange” pre-revolution, started to kill the undesirable “Russians“, and were openly pining for some sort of a WW3 “Nato come, let’s blow it up together!!!“…

    Then the more sober side – that would be the Russians – gradually and very slowly moved to smother the crazyness. They did it reluctantly, with stupid insistence on “legal” terms, as if they were still hoping it will just go away. Well, it didn’t, it just escalated – also thanks to the German failure to be “German”, or top be anything for that matter.

    I can see how this depresses people like Mr. Hacks cousin – it is f…ing depressing, so pointless. The moves made by Kiev-Nato are sad, fully committed and also half-ass self-defeating. More important are the moves that each side missed – what they didn’t do.

    If Nato lets it it will burn out, we are in the last year…there will depression and pain in Ukraine and among their more devoted partisans. But starting a fire in a snow field hoping it will spread was a fool’s errand. What the hell were they thinking?

    The problem with Ukraine is not that everyone wants them, it is the opposite: nobody really wants them. EU is bulls..ing them…if a person is not willing to marry someone, they don’t really like them no matter what they whisper in their ears…what a clusterf..k!

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Beckow

    The Russian leadership, not just Putin, started formal planning to invade Ukraine after the soft coup in February 2004 when Kasyanov was ousted. It was straight imperialism. By the 2012 election you could feel xenophobia and anti Ukrainian sentiment in the street. Well above Brexit levels. An invasion as Maskirovka to avoid legally breaking the Budapest Treaty and bringing in the US and UK was already part of the plan. 80,000 men were required, mostly ex military rather than serving. In the end Malofeev's front organization went with 25,000. They asked me for 30,000 pairs of boots so perhaps they hoped for more.

    Replies: @Beckow

  686. @AP
    @QCIC

    This quote/prediction by Martyanov is pure gold (apologies for posting it again, but it has been a year or so IIRC):


    Ukrainian military is a collection of a technological obsolete junk and operational concepts which are not suited for modern warfare. This military is drowned in corruption, drugs, alcohol and is not trained whatsoever to conduct a modern maneuverable warfare based on the Netcentric principles and involving newest state-of-the-art C4ISR. Ukraine simple has NO scientific, industrial or military capacity to have this, nor has it access to that. The only reason so called NATO military “professionals” are hanging around Yavorsky range and “advising” Ukie army is not to help but to collect all possibly so called war correlates they can, while it is still possible. LDNR forces, despite being vastly outnumbered, have access to this, which they demonstrated in Debaltsevo, Ilovaisk and many other places where this so called “battle hardened” Ukie army ran like hell. You do not understand what OODA (and its frequency) is in modern warfare but I can assure you that LDNR forces have this loop “running” in their Command and Control structures several times faster than the same is with Ukraine’s “army”. Several S-300s here and there, and few old T-64s and even 300 000 of Ukrainian personnel (a euphemism for brainwashed badly trained recruits) do not even understand what it means to have most of targeting information already distributed through tactical and operational networks of their adversary and this adversary having already fire means (ognevye sredstva) assigned to annihilate them once the order comes. This is beyond your grasp and that is why you continue to post here all kinds of Ukie shitty propaganda, like this:
    “Thanks to that, at least in terms of the human factor, it should be possible in a relatively short period of time to increase the Ukrainian army’s degree of combat readiness”

    Modern Armed Forces, and we are talking about Russia, wouldn’t even allow this so called army to see them–they will demolish all Ukrainian C4ISR first, especially C3, by stand-off weaponry and then cavalry will go in, with targets already shown and assigned on the level of company, or even platoon. Any direct involvement of Russia means one thing–the end of the junta in Kiev and disintegration of Ukraine, with LDNR forward forces rolling over Kreshatick within weeks. You can continue to reside in your delusion whatever you want but you have no idea what are you taking about. You are paid Ukie troll who spreads non-stop BS here.
     

    Replies: @Mikel, @QCIC, @Philip Owen, @Gerard1234

    Martynov couldn’t have been more exactly wrong. In the real world, once the fight began, Russia used mostly hub and spoke with variants for Grads. Ukraine used shoot and scoot even with Soviet artillery. Maybe the VDV who knew better were all eliminated at Ky’ev and Odesa.

    It used to be a bad day in Saratov Province when 3 soldier deaths were announced. 10 in a week was a lot. Lately, it has regularly been 5 a day. The regular Russian army is doing more of the fighting now. The original L/DNR has been wiped out at the level of the private soldier. Wagner lost 20,000 before collapse. Anyone read much about the Chechens recently? They ended up in a real fight in near Kremmina and faded away that so far as my sources show.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Philip Owen

    Saratov province and Saratov itself is not a small town (but not huge either). I had surmised that the popularity of Putler is at more of a low level in more rural areas, than in the large protected areas of Moscow and St. Petersburg, with JJ. With an increase up to 5 casualties a day from 3, I would think that my impressions are correct. What do you think, actually being there among the "man in the street" or better yet, the man at home amongst his family and friends?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Philip Owen

  687. @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...there’s something very ritualistic about it at this point.
     
    Good observation. Wars are a serious business, many die and get depressed. The rituals serve a purpose, they give a meaning to the madness. The belief that it all makes sense is spiritual - the human concept of divinity is only a stand-in for finding meaning in the universe. And the belief in meaning needs rituals...

    That's what you, Yevardian, Mikel, others who stand apart are missing: it is too tragic, bloody, the drama is crucially important not to engage - we need a narrative to look for reasons.

    I started out with no dog in this fight. First I was amused by the silly pomposity of the yellow-blue marchers screaming "we are Europe!"...the obvious cargo cult naivete of the hoi polloi forgotten by history. Then the Ukies got serious, they dropped the orange cleaners' outfits - who can forget the "Orange" pre-revolution, started to kill the undesirable "Russians", and were openly pining for some sort of a WW3 "Nato come, let's blow it up together!!!"...

    Then the more sober side - that would be the Russians - gradually and very slowly moved to smother the crazyness. They did it reluctantly, with stupid insistence on "legal" terms, as if they were still hoping it will just go away. Well, it didn't, it just escalated - also thanks to the German failure to be "German", or top be anything for that matter.

    I can see how this depresses people like Mr. Hacks cousin - it is f...ing depressing, so pointless. The moves made by Kiev-Nato are sad, fully committed and also half-ass self-defeating. More important are the moves that each side missed - what they didn't do.

    If Nato lets it it will burn out, we are in the last year...there will depression and pain in Ukraine and among their more devoted partisans. But starting a fire in a snow field hoping it will spread was a fool's errand. What the hell were they thinking?

    The problem with Ukraine is not that everyone wants them, it is the opposite: nobody really wants them. EU is bulls..ing them...if a person is not willing to marry someone, they don't really like them no matter what they whisper in their ears...what a clusterf..k!

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    The Russian leadership, not just Putin, started formal planning to invade Ukraine after the soft coup in February 2004 when Kasyanov was ousted. It was straight imperialism. By the 2012 election you could feel xenophobia and anti Ukrainian sentiment in the street. Well above Brexit levels. An invasion as Maskirovka to avoid legally breaking the Budapest Treaty and bringing in the US and UK was already part of the plan. 80,000 men were required, mostly ex military rather than serving. In the end Malofeev’s front organization went with 25,000. They asked me for 30,000 pairs of boots so perhaps they hoped for more.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Philip Owen

    You are just flapping platitudes. Every country "formally plans" military moves against its neighbors: US has them, UK, Ukraine, Turkey...France almost certainly has plans for a war with Germany or Algeria. That's what these guys do all day. It has no real meaning - contingencies and busy work.


    you could feel xenophobia and anti Ukrainian sentiment in the street. Well above Brexit levels.
     
    Are you an expert on measuring xenophobia? How? I know UK well, it can be the nicest country or the nastiest - if you go to a football match or to the wrong neighborhood. My point is that "xenophobia" is not really measurable - I have heard the weirdest hateful sh..t from Scandies - get them to drink on their summer solstice and it all comes out. Then they puke and forget.

    How about the open hatred of Russians on Maidan - dancing and singing "kill the Moscovites". Burning to death 49 Russians in Odessa and the Ukie bombing of Donbas that killed 3,000 civilians. Do you defend it or pretend not to see it?

    You have a right to be one-sided, but then don't expect to be taken seriously. Including the "boots" stuff, you have a bias so it all sounds made up. What do you do with Russia anyway if you hate them so much?

    Replies: @AP

  688. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Makes me have sympathy with those hardliners in the army who put Gorbi under house arrest.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Why’s that?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Well, I am not very knowledgeable about Soviet cartoons, so I probably can't put it into the proper context, but given the time period and my negative reaction to it, it is tempting to ascribe it to laxer censorship and to subversives made possible by Gorbachev's reforms.

    Of course, taste is subjective and I am speaking only of my instinctual reaction, so no offence intended - I think you are someone who can appreciate modern art - but I am very straight-laced person, with a strong disgust reflex, to me the surreal often suggests drugs and a hatred of beauty.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  689. @Philip Owen
    @AP

    Martynov couldn't have been more exactly wrong. In the real world, once the fight began, Russia used mostly hub and spoke with variants for Grads. Ukraine used shoot and scoot even with Soviet artillery. Maybe the VDV who knew better were all eliminated at Ky'ev and Odesa.

    It used to be a bad day in Saratov Province when 3 soldier deaths were announced. 10 in a week was a lot. Lately, it has regularly been 5 a day. The regular Russian army is doing more of the fighting now. The original L/DNR has been wiped out at the level of the private soldier. Wagner lost 20,000 before collapse. Anyone read much about the Chechens recently? They ended up in a real fight in near Kremmina and faded away that so far as my sources show.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Saratov province and Saratov itself is not a small town (but not huge either). I had surmised that the popularity of Putler is at more of a low level in more rural areas, than in the large protected areas of Moscow and St. Petersburg, with JJ. With an increase up to 5 casualties a day from 3, I would think that my impressions are correct. What do you think, actually being there among the “man in the street” or better yet, the man at home amongst his family and friends?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Saratov province has 2.4 million people. Philip Owen claims there are now "regularly 5 dead soldiers per day" - that means not every day. Do the math: that would be 100-150 in a month. If it goes on for 1 year (doubtful) it would be around 1k.

    It is noticeable, but not something that would impact a region of 2.4 million people. Each year around 25k people there die - this would increase it by less than 5%.

    I am not dismissing it, all these deaths are sad and unnecessary, but it will not make much difference. In some regions in Ukraine, e.g. Subcarpathia that has 1.2 million in one failed attack in the summer offensive there were 700 Ukie casualties.

    This is a blood-bath for Ukraine, no wonder your cousin is depressed. It is time to wake up and understand reality: the casualties and who is winning...most important: why is it happening? Get off the high-horse of empty slogans and understand that carnage is for one reason: because Nato wanted to move to Ukraine and for Russia that was a red line. Is it worth it?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Philip Owen
    @Mr. Hack

    The numbers are similar to people killed in road traffic accidnts. Not a society wide matter.

  690. @Philip Owen
    @Beckow

    The Russian leadership, not just Putin, started formal planning to invade Ukraine after the soft coup in February 2004 when Kasyanov was ousted. It was straight imperialism. By the 2012 election you could feel xenophobia and anti Ukrainian sentiment in the street. Well above Brexit levels. An invasion as Maskirovka to avoid legally breaking the Budapest Treaty and bringing in the US and UK was already part of the plan. 80,000 men were required, mostly ex military rather than serving. In the end Malofeev's front organization went with 25,000. They asked me for 30,000 pairs of boots so perhaps they hoped for more.

    Replies: @Beckow

    You are just flapping platitudes. Every country “formally plans” military moves against its neighbors: US has them, UK, Ukraine, Turkey…France almost certainly has plans for a war with Germany or Algeria. That’s what these guys do all day. It has no real meaning – contingencies and busy work.

    you could feel xenophobia and anti Ukrainian sentiment in the street. Well above Brexit levels.

    Are you an expert on measuring xenophobia? How? I know UK well, it can be the nicest country or the nastiest – if you go to a football match or to the wrong neighborhood. My point is that “xenophobia” is not really measurable – I have heard the weirdest hateful sh..t from Scandies – get them to drink on their summer solstice and it all comes out. Then they puke and forget.

    How about the open hatred of Russians on Maidan – dancing and singing “kill the Moscovites”. Burning to death 49 Russians in Odessa and the Ukie bombing of Donbas that killed 3,000 civilians. Do you defend it or pretend not to see it?

    You have a right to be one-sided, but then don’t expect to be taken seriously. Including the “boots” stuff, you have a bias so it all sounds made up. What do you do with Russia anyway if you hate them so much?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Burning to death 49 Russians in Odessa and the Ukie bombing of Donbas that killed 3,000 civilians
     
    Note that these lies have been explained to you many times and you keep repeating them.

    Of the 49 total deaths in Odesa the first one was a pro-Ukrainian person shot to death by pro-Russians. Russians started it, and it didn’t end well for them.

    Of the ~3,000 civilians killed in the Donbas war 2022-2022 about 20% were killed by pro-Russian forces. The deadliest single attack was a Russian rebel rocket attack on Kiev-controlled Mariupol.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2015_Mariupol_rocket_attack

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

  691. @Mr. Hack
    @Philip Owen

    Saratov province and Saratov itself is not a small town (but not huge either). I had surmised that the popularity of Putler is at more of a low level in more rural areas, than in the large protected areas of Moscow and St. Petersburg, with JJ. With an increase up to 5 casualties a day from 3, I would think that my impressions are correct. What do you think, actually being there among the "man in the street" or better yet, the man at home amongst his family and friends?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Philip Owen

    Saratov province has 2.4 million people. Philip Owen claims there are now “regularly 5 dead soldiers per day” – that means not every day. Do the math: that would be 100-150 in a month. If it goes on for 1 year (doubtful) it would be around 1k.

    It is noticeable, but not something that would impact a region of 2.4 million people. Each year around 25k people there die – this would increase it by less than 5%.

    I am not dismissing it, all these deaths are sad and unnecessary, but it will not make much difference. In some regions in Ukraine, e.g. Subcarpathia that has 1.2 million in one failed attack in the summer offensive there were 700 Ukie casualties.

    This is a blood-bath for Ukraine, no wonder your cousin is depressed. It is time to wake up and understand reality: the casualties and who is winning…most important: why is it happening? Get off the high-horse of empty slogans and understand that carnage is for one reason: because Nato wanted to move to Ukraine and for Russia that was a red line. Is it worth it?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    You missed my whole point, whether or not the average Ivan in Saratov was more critical of Putler than of the average one in Moscow or Peter. A shame, you wasted your breath on another long winded plea for me to support Putler, Russia and yourself in some sort of Putler appreciation support group. Yawn...

    Replies: @AP, @Philip Owen

  692. @Beckow
    @Philip Owen

    You are just flapping platitudes. Every country "formally plans" military moves against its neighbors: US has them, UK, Ukraine, Turkey...France almost certainly has plans for a war with Germany or Algeria. That's what these guys do all day. It has no real meaning - contingencies and busy work.


    you could feel xenophobia and anti Ukrainian sentiment in the street. Well above Brexit levels.
     
    Are you an expert on measuring xenophobia? How? I know UK well, it can be the nicest country or the nastiest - if you go to a football match or to the wrong neighborhood. My point is that "xenophobia" is not really measurable - I have heard the weirdest hateful sh..t from Scandies - get them to drink on their summer solstice and it all comes out. Then they puke and forget.

    How about the open hatred of Russians on Maidan - dancing and singing "kill the Moscovites". Burning to death 49 Russians in Odessa and the Ukie bombing of Donbas that killed 3,000 civilians. Do you defend it or pretend not to see it?

    You have a right to be one-sided, but then don't expect to be taken seriously. Including the "boots" stuff, you have a bias so it all sounds made up. What do you do with Russia anyway if you hate them so much?

    Replies: @AP

    Burning to death 49 Russians in Odessa and the Ukie bombing of Donbas that killed 3,000 civilians

    Note that these lies have been explained to you many times and you keep repeating them.

    Of the 49 total deaths in Odesa the first one was a pro-Ukrainian person shot to death by pro-Russians. Russians started it, and it didn’t end well for them.

    Of the ~3,000 civilians killed in the Donbas war 2022-2022 about 20% were killed by pro-Russian forces. The deadliest single attack was a Russian rebel rocket attack on Kiev-controlled Mariupol.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2015_Mariupol_rocket_attack

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    about 20% were killed by pro-Russian forces.
     
    So, who killed the other 80%? Martians or some other space aliens?

    Replies: @AP

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP


    Note that these lies have been explained to you many times and you keep repeating them.

    Of the 49 total deaths in Odesa the first one was a pro-Ukrainian person shot to death by pro-Russians. Russians started it, and it didn’t end well for them.
     
    That is of course a total lie, you regurgitating ukronazi freaks from twitter probably. I suppose its only slightly less pathetic then the standard ukrop modus operandi on english language networks.......plaigirising Israeli slogans related to defence as their own, and even more embarrassingly..........plaigirising American-Jew cultural statements about themselves or positive jokes about their culture...as "Ukrainian". LMAO. Never seen anything more pitiful - BS like replacing the "Jewish mothers and their kids" etc with "Ukrainian mother"

    Of the ~3,000 civilians killed in the Donbas war 2022-2022 about 20% were killed by pro-Russian forces. The deadliest single attack was a Russian rebel rocket attack on Kiev-controlled Mariupol.
     
    That of course, isn't true, and only refers the 20% only refers to casualties in the period between Minsk 2 and SMO........and of course its making the bizarre assumption that deaths on ukronazi controlled territory in the pre-SMO period are not from ukronazi fire. LDNR heroes save civilians.......so yes, 404 is responsible for 3000 civilians deaths. Even in the western propaganda OCSE, they make clear that firing onto LDNR territory was disproportionaly higher than onto ukrop territory - at all times of this conflict since 2014 you idiot. The most disproportionate was in the weeks before the SMO.

    The deadliest single attack was a Russian rebel rocket attack on Kiev-controlled Mariupol.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2015_Mariupol_rocket_attack
     
    That is of course a total lie that Russia did it. Another psyop done to connect LDNR taking territory with mass murder, when actually done by Banderites.
    Whats more discredited as BS? Wikipedia quoting you, or you quoting wikipedia?

    I would add that EVERY TIME Russia gain territory the ukronazis fire revenge strikes on town/city they just eliminated from and on retreat ( and not being fired at in retreat), or do some false-flag in other area ( the crossing point of Zaporizhye territories shocking strike)

    Replies: @Beckow

  693. @AP
    @Beckow


    Burning to death 49 Russians in Odessa and the Ukie bombing of Donbas that killed 3,000 civilians
     
    Note that these lies have been explained to you many times and you keep repeating them.

    Of the 49 total deaths in Odesa the first one was a pro-Ukrainian person shot to death by pro-Russians. Russians started it, and it didn’t end well for them.

    Of the ~3,000 civilians killed in the Donbas war 2022-2022 about 20% were killed by pro-Russian forces. The deadliest single attack was a Russian rebel rocket attack on Kiev-controlled Mariupol.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2015_Mariupol_rocket_attack

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    about 20% were killed by pro-Russian forces.

    So, who killed the other 80%? Martians or some other space aliens?

    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN

    Who do you think?

  694. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    When times get tough I can always fall back on my old theory that you and A123 are two alternative personalities of the same person, constantly pecking away at each other like a couple of old hens.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    No. Mr. Hack is mentally ill. I have had him blocked on medical compassion grounds for more than a year. The last thing I would do is “peck” at him. As a Christian:

    • I feel great pity for Mr. Hack.
    • And, I offer forgiveness.

    Alas, there is no way for anyone to help him until he wants to get better.

    PEACE 😇

  695. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    We are saying roughly the same thing, assuming you take the full context for the comments of the Russian military man. He seems to be emphasizing what we knew from the beginning, Russia wants to minimize civilian casualties. This includes Ukrainian and Russian speakers in Ukraine. This can be a major challenge since the Russian troops have been outgunned at times.

    His regret has two aspects: First he doesn't want to kill civilians, but he knows that forcing Russian troops out into the open will get more soldiers killed.

    When fighting in a town, all of the cover is civilian infrastructure and very close to civilians unless they have already fled the area.

    What did the Ukrainians think would happen when they fired howitzers at Russian speakers in Donbas? Maybe they were confused and thought Ukraine was already in NATO so they could hide behind NATO's skirts?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Apropos a few days ago. It took awhile to get through the whole hour and a half again; it has been years since I last watched this. It is not bad at all. Fox and his collaborators are materialist nuts bolts people. But it is a good compendium of cases.

    I Know What I Saw
    James Fox

  696. @Mr. Hack
    @Philip Owen

    Saratov province and Saratov itself is not a small town (but not huge either). I had surmised that the popularity of Putler is at more of a low level in more rural areas, than in the large protected areas of Moscow and St. Petersburg, with JJ. With an increase up to 5 casualties a day from 3, I would think that my impressions are correct. What do you think, actually being there among the "man in the street" or better yet, the man at home amongst his family and friends?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Philip Owen

    The numbers are similar to people killed in road traffic accidnts. Not a society wide matter.

  697. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Why's that?

    Replies: @songbird

    Well, I am not very knowledgeable about Soviet cartoons, so I probably can’t put it into the proper context, but given the time period and my negative reaction to it, it is tempting to ascribe it to laxer censorship and to subversives made possible by Gorbachev’s reforms.

    Of course, taste is subjective and I am speaking only of my instinctual reaction, so no offence intended – I think you are someone who can appreciate modern art – but I am very straight-laced person, with a strong disgust reflex, to me the surreal often suggests drugs and a hatred of beauty.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Perhaps, you're too young to remember the great "American" cartoonist and his output (he was actually Jewish born in Odesa). Max Fleischer. His cartoon house was the only one that could rival that of Walt Disney. Cartoon characters that he created included Mighty Mouse, Betty Boop, Superman (borrowed from the comic book company and redone for the cartoon market) and several others. All of these cartoons included incredible surrealistic effects that apparently left a deep sense of appreciation in my very young and impressionable eyes.

    I too appreciate artwork that is devoted to beauty and the ethereal heights, but have come to appreciate that great art can also include the full array of human emotions, including subjects that do not only include subject matter of beauty. Here's is one of Max Fleischer's early masterpieces, perhaps it will open up a new door of fantasy, humor, surrealism and yes beauty for your enjoyment:

    https://youtu.be/OHnc6tWg9p8

    Replies: @QCIC, @songbird

  698. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Saratov province has 2.4 million people. Philip Owen claims there are now "regularly 5 dead soldiers per day" - that means not every day. Do the math: that would be 100-150 in a month. If it goes on for 1 year (doubtful) it would be around 1k.

    It is noticeable, but not something that would impact a region of 2.4 million people. Each year around 25k people there die - this would increase it by less than 5%.

    I am not dismissing it, all these deaths are sad and unnecessary, but it will not make much difference. In some regions in Ukraine, e.g. Subcarpathia that has 1.2 million in one failed attack in the summer offensive there were 700 Ukie casualties.

    This is a blood-bath for Ukraine, no wonder your cousin is depressed. It is time to wake up and understand reality: the casualties and who is winning...most important: why is it happening? Get off the high-horse of empty slogans and understand that carnage is for one reason: because Nato wanted to move to Ukraine and for Russia that was a red line. Is it worth it?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    You missed my whole point, whether or not the average Ivan in Saratov was more critical of Putler than of the average one in Moscow or Peter. A shame, you wasted your breath on another long winded plea for me to support Putler, Russia and yourself in some sort of Putler appreciation support group. Yawn…

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    You missed my whole point, whether or not the average Ivan in Saratov was more critical of Putler than of the average one in Moscow or Peter
     
    Putin is less popular in Moscow than in the provinces. It's a little bit like with the Iraq war for the USA: more popular in the places where people got killed fighting in it, than in places where people didn't do that (New York). Though Moscow is not as nearly anti-war as New York City was. Still, there are plenty of openly anti-war people in Moscow.

    Moscow is treated well so that it does not feel desperate and will not engage in a revolt that could threaten its good life. The capital might not like Putin as much as do the provinces, but it is kept happy and content enough not to take to the streets to remove him. Yanukovich's fate is what happens when the capital despises the leader, gets desperate, and is willing to fight to oust him.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Philip Owen
    @Mr. Hack

    In Saratov, United Russia had to share the administration with the LDPR at one time. There is opposition to Putin. The LDPR and the Communists have genuine support and programs for government. Their support for Putin is lukewarm. Free Russia is invisible. The Communists march through town once a month on a Sunday morning in summer weather. The National Bolsheviks are a micro party but Saratov is their main base so they sometimes get media exposure.

    It seems to me that Putin's core support is blue collar working class in state industries and white collar public sector workers. They had their salaries restored when the oil price rose. They think it was Putin. The countryside doesn't give a damn. They are still poor.

    Replies: @QCIC

  699. @German_reader
    @LatW


    Enjoy your eco chamber, gentlemen.
     
    It wasn't my intention to drive you away. I suggest you reconsider, since several commenters here seem to greatly enjoy your comments, and I should be off myself anyway, so I won't get in your way.
    Btw, it's not primarily that you're "anti-Russian" what irks me so much about your comments. Given the arrogant attitude towards your people regularly shown by the Russian commenters like Gerard or AnonfromTN (or "Russophiles" like Beckow) that would be understandable, especially given the historical background. It's the "romantic", all-or-nothing character of your outlook. imo that kind of thinking is going to lead to disaster. If we're really unlucky, to a civilization-ending apocalypse. But more likely, "just" to a smaller-scale disaster. On present trends Ukraine will eventually lose the war. I don't think that's a good outcome, and obviously much of the moral blame rests on Russian chauvinists and Russia's imperial-minded secret police elites. But those in the West who were against any attempt at finding some sort of compromise solution (and I think that's a fair characterization of your views) will have contributed to this disaster.

    Replies: @Mikel

    It wasn’t my intention to drive you away.

    People here, including herself, keep receiving much worse personal attacks all the time. If you drive her away just with a mild zoomorphic comment, that means that she values your opinion very much.

    Given the arrogant attitude towards your people regularly shown by the Russian commenters like Gerard or AnonfromTN (or “Russophiles” like Beckow) that would be understandable

    Yes, it’s understandable. But it’s not difficult to understand where some of the Russians’ attitude comes from either. If you are constantly portrayed as backward and inferior, becoming arrogant towards your accusers is a natural defensive mechanism. It’s probably a chicken and egg situation.

    In fact, that’s all I think there is behind this war. The Russians felt slighted by everybody to their West, now including what they thought were their closest neighbors, and they couldn’t take it any more. You see this feeling quite clearly even in some of Putin’s statements before the war.

    What I find incredibly stupid is how the rest of us got deeply involved in these EE family disputes. Once Russia decided to turn them into a full WW2-style invasion it was impossible to ignore the matter but why did Western countries actually foment those animosities and let them reach this point?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mikel


    But it’s not difficult to understand where some of the Russians’ attitude comes from either.
     
    Regarding the Baltic states, I used to think that the onus for improving relations should be mainly on Russians, because the mass deportations during the Stalin era were really pretty horrible, and when Russians don't acknowledge that at all or even justify it, it's evidence of a pretty sick colonialist mentality that is bound to arouse suspicions about their present-day intentions. There's also a power disparity here, since the Balts are such small nations, and given that asymmetry one might expect more magnanimity from the Russian side.
    To some extent I still believe that. But given the sort of proposals one has heard from a lot of Balts during the last two years, I'm closer now to a "Both sides are pretty terrible" view.

    why did Western countries actually foment those animosities and let them reach this point?
     
    I suspect you might disagree, but I'm convinced that regarding the US it's rooted in an ideologically motivated desire for global hegemony. No other power centres can be tolerated, if the world is to be made safe for liberal democracy. Of course that approach probably has had the perverse effect of actually increasing the authoritarian tendencies of regimes that are unwilling to submit to American hegemony and give up spheres of influence of their own, since anybody arguing for more liberalism and democratic reforms can easily be seen or painted as a subversive on the CIA's payroll.
    As for the Eastern Europeans, I'd say it was rooted in fears of Russian revisionism and security concerns. Understandable in a way, but imo it was misguided and probably has also had the paradoxical effect of making them less secure, given the expansion of Russia's war production and the combat experience the Russian army has gained in Ukraine.
    As for the Scandinavians and Britain, no real idea, except shit for brains and a desire to feel important? Hard to come up with any rational reasons.
    The rest of Europe wasn't really keen on this sort of development as far as I can tell, but also wasn't willing or able to do anything to prevent it.

    Replies: @AP, @Gerard1234, @Mikel

  700. @John Johnson
    @Sean


    Ukraine didn’t qualify for NATO and wasn’t in the process of applying. You do acknowledge that verifiable reality?
     
    I suppose you are trying to sell the idea that Russia acted impetuously, but this was a geopolitical conflict and hostilities are opened by one side, not by mutual agreement on what constitutes a casus belli.

    So you don't deny the verifiable reality that Ukraine didn't qualify?

    Ukraine hasn't qualified since 2014 because they have an unstable border. Do you acknowledge that?

    Putin put the West on notice in 2007 that Russia was under o obligation whatsoever to respect the decisions of Washington about what happened on Russia’s borders.

    It was Putin in 2008 who said that they have no border qualms with Ukraine. The idea of invading Ukraine developed after the pro-Russian Ukrainian president was removed for corruption. He was denounced as corrupt and accused of murder by his own pro-Russian party.

    As you well know Bush tried to get Ukraine suddenly admitted as a full member in 2008 without it going through any such lengthy rigmarole as other countries were required to before joining

    That is false and shows you don't understand how NATO works.

    Here is Bush in 2008 stating that Ukraine and Georgia should be given membership application plans (the pre-application process):
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/01/nato.georgia

    Which again leads to the question of why didn't Russia wait until Ukraine had initiated the process.

    Why don't you cite evidence of your claim or just be another Putin defender that was caught making stuff up. This is a pattern that Mr. Hack and I have exposed numerous times. You guys all seem to isolate yourselves to pro-Putin websites and have a hard time with an open forum.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Sean, @Derer

    That is false and shows you don’t understand how NATO works.

    I know how the world works.

    So you don’t deny the verifiable reality that Ukraine didn’t qualify?

    Your point is purely technical and ignores that having lost but a singe round it was open to the US to keep trying to convince the holdout members to admit Ukraine, and there were several countries that agreed including Britain. Although there is no such official position created for it, in practice the man in the White House is de facto leader of Nato and President Bush. tried to get Ukraine admitted to Nato as a full member even though previous candidates for member of Nato had had to go through a lengthy qualifying process before being put up for full membership. So there was not anything impossible about Ukraine being admitted in 2008, it just that the US was unable to get a couple of countries in line that time.
    Merkel defends 2008 decision to block Ukraine from NATO.

    France 24
    https://www.france24.com › France 24 › Live news
    4 Apr 2022 — Former German chancellor Angela Merkel on Monday defended her 2008 decision to block Ukraine from immediately joining NATO, …

    In 2008 Putin narrowly escaped waking up one morning to find that Ukraine was a full member of Nato, but had to process that there was and official announcement–reiterated each year since– that Ukraine was going at some undetermined point in the future to become a member of Nato. You own link says that along with telling Russia whether Ukraine joined was none of the Kremlins business, Bush “also said that there could be no deal with Moscow over the US administration’s contentious plans to locate elements of its controversial missile defence system in eastern Europe.”

    Which again leads to the question of why didn’t Russia wait until Ukraine had initiated the process.

    Because at any time after the 2008 announcement–agreed to by all members– that Ukraine would someday join, American pressure could lead to Germany and France dropping their objections and Ukraine could suddenly join, and as a full member of Nato host US missile bases that compromised Russian security.

    Ukraine hasn’t qualified since 2014 because they have an unstable border. Do you acknowledge that?

    More legalism. A few months after Nato’s ‘Ukraine and Georgia’ will join Nato (someday) announcement, Russia invaded Georgia and the US became less enthusiastic about trying to bring Ukraine into Nato. Six years later after internal strifem a Ukrainian government that wanted to break the remaining ties with Russia came to power and, fantastic as it seems, thought sidling up to the West would be the best way to reduce RusFed and ethnicRussian Ukrainian’s proRussia influence over and interference in Ukrainian politics.

    Putin promptly annexed Crimea, undercover invaded Donbass, trounced an ineffective Ukrainian army and got what he wanted: the Ukrainian government agreed to give the Donbass, where the population included many ethnic Russians, substantial autonomy including what was in effect a built in veto against Ukraine becoming a member of Nato. Six years later it became clear to Putin that Ukraine was not going to homour the agreement whith it considered unfair, and he atempted another 2014 style operation but Ukraine was now a formidable opponent and so we are now in a full scale war in which whole cities in east Ukraine are being literally leveled and Ukrainian men decimated while Russia is being weakened economical demographically and morale-wise even as it inexorably advances is to what will be in material terms at most a rather Pyrrhic victory. Is Putin the only one to blame for all this?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Sean

    I wonder if any shake up of the Russian oligarchical power structure resulting as a side effect of the SMO will be an important actual victory for Russia?

    , @Beckow
    @Sean

    That's a good summary. Johnson guy is obsessed with denying what has happened - I am not sure why, the Ukie-in-Nato project has failed and is backfiring horribly on all involved, most of all the Ukies themselves. Understanding why so we can learn and not do it again is valuable.


    RusFed and ethnic Russian Ukrainian’s proRussia influence over and interference in Ukrainian politics.
     
    Do the ethnic Russians in Ukraine have any rights to influence? There were 10 million or more of them. They won few times the country-wide election. Can Belgium decide that the French minority has no rights? Or US with Hispanics? You seem to accept it.

    what will be in material terms at most a rather Pyrrhic victory
     
    It could be. But life is a question of alternatives: horrible bloodshed today against the alternative of Nato-in-Ukraine, missiles on the Russian border, indefensible, isolated Crimea, millions of ethnic-Russian expelled with many killed. That was the choice, the status quo was not going to last. It was up to Russia to decide - they are the ones who pay the price.

    Whether it is Pyrrhic is too early to tell. Nato-Kiev are trying to make it Pyrrhic, in effect accepting that they have lost. Ukraine's loss will not even be Pyrrhic, it could be very bad or outright catastrophic. Losing wars is not fun - ask the German reader.

    , @sudden death
    @Sean


    Merkel on Monday defended her 2008 decision to block Ukraine from immediately joining NATO
     
    However those above aren't direct Merkel or her spkeswoman words in that article, but came just from some nameless ignorant journo, who might have finishing his kindergarten years in 2008, the only thing in the article that former German head said was this:

    But Merkel in a short statement issued by her spokeswoman said she "stands by her decisions in relation to the 2008 NATO summit in Bucharest".

    "In view of the atrocities uncovered in Bucha and other places in Ukraine, all efforts by the government and the international community to stand by Ukraine's side and to bring an end to Russia's barbarism and war against Ukraine have the former chancellor's full support," added the spokeswoman.
     

    To be perfectly sure, one might find the original Merkel standalone press release text, but me wasn't able to locate it on the net quickly.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Sean

  701. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Well, I am not very knowledgeable about Soviet cartoons, so I probably can't put it into the proper context, but given the time period and my negative reaction to it, it is tempting to ascribe it to laxer censorship and to subversives made possible by Gorbachev's reforms.

    Of course, taste is subjective and I am speaking only of my instinctual reaction, so no offence intended - I think you are someone who can appreciate modern art - but I am very straight-laced person, with a strong disgust reflex, to me the surreal often suggests drugs and a hatred of beauty.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Perhaps, you’re too young to remember the great “American” cartoonist and his output (he was actually Jewish born in Odesa). Max Fleischer. His cartoon house was the only one that could rival that of Walt Disney. Cartoon characters that he created included Mighty Mouse, Betty Boop, Superman (borrowed from the comic book company and redone for the cartoon market) and several others. All of these cartoons included incredible surrealistic effects that apparently left a deep sense of appreciation in my very young and impressionable eyes.

    I too appreciate artwork that is devoted to beauty and the ethereal heights, but have come to appreciate that great art can also include the full array of human emotions, including subjects that do not only include subject matter of beauty. Here’s is one of Max Fleischer’s early masterpieces, perhaps it will open up a new door of fantasy, humor, surrealism and yes beauty for your enjoyment:

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    I sense this video is related to the Karlin story arc.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    Max Fleischer
     
    He is credited with inventing the rotoscope, which is something that I am a big fan of - though the technique is digital today.

    There is something beautiful about tracing the line of a skilled dancer or musician, or a wild animal in motion. The time and expense and difficulty of the work, by nature makes it an ambitious one, and I always admire ambition.

    Another thing that I greatly admire in Japanese animation is very closely related: the appreciation for real places, especially those with character, or what I would call kami. They location scout to find these places, and then trace them.


    Here’s is one of Max Fleischer’s early masterpieces,
     
    Perhaps, it is a case of pearls before swine, but I have a very strong prejudice against anthropomorphism, as I have previously mentioned to Aaron.

    I wouldn't say it is completely total, as I can appreciate things with animals that display some essentialism, like a cat that chases a a mouse, but for instance, I strongly dislike Mickey, though his enemy Pete is technically supposed to be a cat, as he just too weird. (Has a pet dog.). Though I can tolerate Scrooge and Donald, as they seem somewhat duckish to me, and Scrooge being greedy or diving into gold is a good gag. (And they are tied to their duck nephews so there is a family element)

    But in general, I think animal characters in cartoons lack essentialism. I dislike how they are depicted living in a strange society of different species seemingly for no good reason. And I also feel like it is a disservice to children, who I think should be more enmeshed in culture.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  702. TL/DR for the Why Jail Is Programmed for All Rightoids mumble jumble.

    Interests change. Values evolve. New paypigs have to be acquired. And former colleagues have to be backstabbed.

    I read less than the entire thing. There were a couple decent paragraphs buried in the goulash. Goulash itself is an inedible mess. Goulash writing can be skimmed for readables. My spell checker tells me readables ain’t a word; readable is an adjective and not a noun. Excuse me. : )

    Also not words: rightoid, paypig, backstabbed. I don’t believe the writing came from a bot, but for all we know AK works for a spy agency that has bots twenty years ahead of us normies.

  703. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Perhaps, you're too young to remember the great "American" cartoonist and his output (he was actually Jewish born in Odesa). Max Fleischer. His cartoon house was the only one that could rival that of Walt Disney. Cartoon characters that he created included Mighty Mouse, Betty Boop, Superman (borrowed from the comic book company and redone for the cartoon market) and several others. All of these cartoons included incredible surrealistic effects that apparently left a deep sense of appreciation in my very young and impressionable eyes.

    I too appreciate artwork that is devoted to beauty and the ethereal heights, but have come to appreciate that great art can also include the full array of human emotions, including subjects that do not only include subject matter of beauty. Here's is one of Max Fleischer's early masterpieces, perhaps it will open up a new door of fantasy, humor, surrealism and yes beauty for your enjoyment:

    https://youtu.be/OHnc6tWg9p8

    Replies: @QCIC, @songbird

    I sense this video is related to the Karlin story arc.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    It could be. The "mixed race" parade of newlyweds didn't go unnoticed by me either. Although my own "tuxedo cat" is the most surly of of my three, it would probably appeal most to Karlin. :-)

    https://www.catster.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/tuxedo-cat-resting-on-log_Bettina-Calder-Shutterstock-e1674199214413.jpg
    The "tuxedo cats" are wildly popular with their owners. Could be a symbol of progressivism amongst proponents of mixed race marriage? I own a pure grey tabby cat too, and another with grey, white and a little red coloring too, the true blue international cat. :-)

    Replies: @Coconuts

  704. German_reader says:
    @Mikel
    @German_reader


    It wasn’t my intention to drive you away.
     
    People here, including herself, keep receiving much worse personal attacks all the time. If you drive her away just with a mild zoomorphic comment, that means that she values your opinion very much.


    Given the arrogant attitude towards your people regularly shown by the Russian commenters like Gerard or AnonfromTN (or “Russophiles” like Beckow) that would be understandable
     
    Yes, it's understandable. But it's not difficult to understand where some of the Russians' attitude comes from either. If you are constantly portrayed as backward and inferior, becoming arrogant towards your accusers is a natural defensive mechanism. It's probably a chicken and egg situation.

    In fact, that's all I think there is behind this war. The Russians felt slighted by everybody to their West, now including what they thought were their closest neighbors, and they couldn't take it any more. You see this feeling quite clearly even in some of Putin's statements before the war.

    What I find incredibly stupid is how the rest of us got deeply involved in these EE family disputes. Once Russia decided to turn them into a full WW2-style invasion it was impossible to ignore the matter but why did Western countries actually foment those animosities and let them reach this point?

    Replies: @German_reader

    But it’s not difficult to understand where some of the Russians’ attitude comes from either.

    Regarding the Baltic states, I used to think that the onus for improving relations should be mainly on Russians, because the mass deportations during the Stalin era were really pretty horrible, and when Russians don’t acknowledge that at all or even justify it, it’s evidence of a pretty sick colonialist mentality that is bound to arouse suspicions about their present-day intentions. There’s also a power disparity here, since the Balts are such small nations, and given that asymmetry one might expect more magnanimity from the Russian side.
    To some extent I still believe that. But given the sort of proposals one has heard from a lot of Balts during the last two years, I’m closer now to a “Both sides are pretty terrible” view.

    why did Western countries actually foment those animosities and let them reach this point?

    I suspect you might disagree, but I’m convinced that regarding the US it’s rooted in an ideologically motivated desire for global hegemony. No other power centres can be tolerated, if the world is to be made safe for liberal democracy. Of course that approach probably has had the perverse effect of actually increasing the authoritarian tendencies of regimes that are unwilling to submit to American hegemony and give up spheres of influence of their own, since anybody arguing for more liberalism and democratic reforms can easily be seen or painted as a subversive on the CIA’s payroll.
    As for the Eastern Europeans, I’d say it was rooted in fears of Russian revisionism and security concerns. Understandable in a way, but imo it was misguided and probably has also had the paradoxical effect of making them less secure, given the expansion of Russia’s war production and the combat experience the Russian army has gained in Ukraine.
    As for the Scandinavians and Britain, no real idea, except shit for brains and a desire to feel important? Hard to come up with any rational reasons.
    The rest of Europe wasn’t really keen on this sort of development as far as I can tell, but also wasn’t willing or able to do anything to prevent it.

    • Replies: @AP
    @German_reader


    Regarding the Baltic states, I used to think that the onus for improving relations should be mainly on Russians, because the mass deportations during the Stalin era were really pretty horrible, and when Russians don’t acknowledge that at all or even justify it, it’s evidence of a pretty sick colonialist mentality that is bound to arouse suspicions about their present-day intentions. There’s also a power disparity here, since the Balts are such small nations, and given that asymmetry one might expect more magnanimity from the Russian side.
     
    Correct.

    To some extent I still believe that. But given the sort of proposals one has heard from a lot of Balts during the last two years, I’m closer now to a “Both sides are pretty terrible” view.
     
    In the last two years Russia has revealed itself as a country that not only justifies past Soviet crimes (i.e., Stalin's) but actually invades a neighboring country, killing 10,000s and annexing territories. Given these facts, there is nothing unreasonable about common Baltic "extreme" proposals though this depends on what exactly they are. Direct American involvement would be too dangerous, but the timid Biden administration could have done and should do much more,

    I suspect you might disagree, but I’m convinced that regarding the US it’s rooted in an ideologically motivated desire for global hegemony. No other power centres can be tolerated, if the world is to be made safe for liberal democracy
     
    USA helped build up China, stupidly. Alternative power centers are tolerated, as long as the USA can make money in the process.

    As for the Eastern Europeans, I’d say it was rooted in fears of Russian revisionism and security concerns.
     
    Fears that were justifiable.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Gerard1234
    @German_reader

    You truly are being stupid and perverse


    because the mass deportations during the Stalin era were really pretty horrible, and when Russians don’t acknowledge that at all or even justify it, it’s evidence of a pretty sick colonialist mentality
     
    1. The deportations were entirely justified, from a security and practical point of view. Fascist scum threatening the security of the state (the new state created after the Soviets replaced the fascist police state in 1940, then replaced the fascist Nazi controlled state in 44) . Deportation did not equal a death sentence, and there was very practical, essential reasons for sending people there to mine, build, farm, manufacture etc to help our war effort, our post-war effort, and paying the gold mined to the western creditors - they were also a very small number of them from the Baltics compared to other Russians or citizens of the RSSR, but its because Baltic population so low which then makes the percentage number bigger

    2. Khrushchev era deStalinisation policies make your entire point on deportations completely irrelevant for the last 60 years. With it came apologies, resettlement, amnesties for those who worked in Nazi-administered councils - even combatant sickos serving in Waffen SS etc and post WW2 militias(N.B Stalin abolished death penalty - so they should thank him for allowing , unfairly, 10's of 1000s of these scum to live)

    3. The entirely justified and beautiful deportations of the Baltics was preceded and succeeded by Baltics helping to eliminate the sizeable number of Jews on these territories and the Soviet expulsion of the Baltics slaveowners (the Germans)

    4. Who get apologies for the arrests and murders done by all 3 of the Baltic police states in the late 20's/throughout the 1930s?

    5. Russians in Baltics ( OK, point no so applicable for Litva) voted to eliminate the Soviet socialist Republic, and so create the "Independent" 3 Baltic states.

    and given that asymmetry one might expect more magnanimity from the Russian side.
     
    An aimless, zero content, nothing statement.
    The relative non-reaction to naming streets after Chechen terrorists like Dudayev is more than enough magnanimity. As is supporting their low tourism industry over the years going to Talinn, Riga etc

    I’m closer now to a “Both sides are pretty terrible” view.
     
    Then you are just intellectually lazy.

    Given the arrogant attitude towards your people regularly shown by the Russian commenters like Gerard or AnonfromTN (or “Russophiles” like Beckow) that would be understandable, especially given the historical background.
     
    LOL.
    Also I would say there is no "historical background" for their behaviour. Just some pygmy-retard complex. LatW mentioned some nonsense about the Soviets "banning" Jani day ( big national holiday/Summer solstice in Latvia)........but Russians in Latvia , VERY enthusiastically celebrated that holiday during time of USSR, and I have seen plenty family photos involving Jani day celebration. Except New Year, that was the biggest thing the Russians over there celebrated.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Mikel
    @German_reader


    I suspect you might disagree, but I’m convinced that regarding the US it’s rooted in an ideologically motivated desire for global hegemony.
     
    No, I don't disagree with that. American exceptionalism is alive and well here. Even some of the people that are against involvement in Ukraine, like Tucker or Gaetz, keep reminding us that "China is is our real enemy". The fact that a country in some part of the world may become an economic superpower with its own sphere of influence not controlled by the US is deeply unsettling. For some reason we can't let that happen.

    I guess another manifestation of this American exceptionalist ideology is the grotesque attempt to build liberal democracies in the Muslim countries invaded by the US. Because how could anyone in the world not want to live in a Jeffersonian democracy brought to them by the US Army?

    However, the expansion of NATO ever closer to Moscow (including from the Caucasus!) and the support of revolutions to topple pro-Russian rulers with the idea of isolating Russia also through an expanded EU was not a US-only idea at all. All Western European countries took part in that policy. And here is where I am at a loss to understand the reasons.

    As you say, some European countries were more active than others in this more or less covert anti-Russian policy carried out over a couple of decades. Perhaps in the case of Britain there's also an element of mini-exceptionalism. You need to think very highly of yourself to embark on that Mission Impossible charade of trying to force your way through the Kerch Strait with a single British ship against the whole Russian Fleet stationed there. I wonder how much this type of clown shows convinced Putin that a military reaction was necessary. It actually happened in the months preceding the SMO.

    But what about Sweden? Would that be a sort of micro-exceptionalism? I feel less disgust for Finland's decision to join NATO out of spite. They can't possibly believe that Putin is planning to turn Helsinki into another Russian oblast but at least they do have a long border with Russia and a history of struggle against Russian imperialism. Sweden has nothing of the like and they have squandered the legacy of 200 years of neutrality. Neither Hitler nor the USSR made them abandon that policy but they found Putin more intolerable than either of those. I can't feel the slightest sympathy for the role this woke country plays in international politics.

    My best guess at why the rest of Western Europe went along with this policy of Russian encroachment is just apathy and the understanding, deep inside, that they don't matter. In fact, I must confess that I probably felt that way myself before 2014. I didn't think anything of NATO's enlargement to the East when it happened. We were guaranteeing Russia's neighbors that we were willing to get incinerated in defense of their newly acquired independence but nuclear war sounded like science-fiction in those days and you just didn't care. I now know that Putin had started warning against it early on, when Russia had still relatively good relations with the West, but I was a regular consumer of MSM news so I don't think I ever heard anything of any Russian opposition to those moves.

    Whatever the case, we've ended up in a Groucho Marx kind of Cold War that is laughable on its face. Fighting a nuclear war was always insane but confronting the worldwide expansion of Communism and defending our democratic system was a reasonable goal to run risks for. Risking civilization to make a point of who is right in the old EE disputes and where the real ethnic border in the ex-UkSSR should have been located is hopelessly stupid.

    Replies: @Derer

  705. @Sean
    @John Johnson


    That is false and shows you don’t understand how NATO works.
     
    I know how the world works.

    So you don’t deny the verifiable reality that Ukraine didn’t qualify?
     
    Your point is purely technical and ignores that having lost but a singe round it was open to the US to keep trying to convince the holdout members to admit Ukraine, and there were several countries that agreed including Britain. Although there is no such official position created for it, in practice the man in the White House is de facto leader of Nato and President Bush. tried to get Ukraine admitted to Nato as a full member even though previous candidates for member of Nato had had to go through a lengthy qualifying process before being put up for full membership. So there was not anything impossible about Ukraine being admitted in 2008, it just that the US was unable to get a couple of countries in line that time.
    Merkel defends 2008 decision to block Ukraine from NATO.

    France 24
    https://www.france24.com › France 24 › Live news
    4 Apr 2022 — Former German chancellor Angela Merkel on Monday defended her 2008 decision to block Ukraine from immediately joining NATO, ...
     
    In 2008 Putin narrowly escaped waking up one morning to find that Ukraine was a full member of Nato, but had to process that there was and official announcement--reiterated each year since-- that Ukraine was going at some undetermined point in the future to become a member of Nato. You own link says that along with telling Russia whether Ukraine joined was none of the Kremlins business, Bush "also said that there could be no deal with Moscow over the US administration's contentious plans to locate elements of its controversial missile defence system in eastern Europe."

    Which again leads to the question of why didn’t Russia wait until Ukraine had initiated the process.
     
    Because at any time after the 2008 announcement--agreed to by all members-- that Ukraine would someday join, American pressure could lead to Germany and France dropping their objections and Ukraine could suddenly join, and as a full member of Nato host US missile bases that compromised Russian security.

    Ukraine hasn’t qualified since 2014 because they have an unstable border. Do you acknowledge that?
     
    More legalism. A few months after Nato's 'Ukraine and Georgia' will join Nato (someday) announcement, Russia invaded Georgia and the US became less enthusiastic about trying to bring Ukraine into Nato. Six years later after internal strifem a Ukrainian government that wanted to break the remaining ties with Russia came to power and, fantastic as it seems, thought sidling up to the West would be the best way to reduce RusFed and ethnicRussian Ukrainian's proRussia influence over and interference in Ukrainian politics.

    Putin promptly annexed Crimea, undercover invaded Donbass, trounced an ineffective Ukrainian army and got what he wanted: the Ukrainian government agreed to give the Donbass, where the population included many ethnic Russians, substantial autonomy including what was in effect a built in veto against Ukraine becoming a member of Nato. Six years later it became clear to Putin that Ukraine was not going to homour the agreement whith it considered unfair, and he atempted another 2014 style operation but Ukraine was now a formidable opponent and so we are now in a full scale war in which whole cities in east Ukraine are being literally leveled and Ukrainian men decimated while Russia is being weakened economical demographically and morale-wise even as it inexorably advances is to what will be in material terms at most a rather Pyrrhic victory. Is Putin the only one to blame for all this?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Beckow, @sudden death

    I wonder if any shake up of the Russian oligarchical power structure resulting as a side effect of the SMO will be an important actual victory for Russia?

  706. @Sean
    @John Johnson


    That is false and shows you don’t understand how NATO works.
     
    I know how the world works.

    So you don’t deny the verifiable reality that Ukraine didn’t qualify?
     
    Your point is purely technical and ignores that having lost but a singe round it was open to the US to keep trying to convince the holdout members to admit Ukraine, and there were several countries that agreed including Britain. Although there is no such official position created for it, in practice the man in the White House is de facto leader of Nato and President Bush. tried to get Ukraine admitted to Nato as a full member even though previous candidates for member of Nato had had to go through a lengthy qualifying process before being put up for full membership. So there was not anything impossible about Ukraine being admitted in 2008, it just that the US was unable to get a couple of countries in line that time.
    Merkel defends 2008 decision to block Ukraine from NATO.

    France 24
    https://www.france24.com › France 24 › Live news
    4 Apr 2022 — Former German chancellor Angela Merkel on Monday defended her 2008 decision to block Ukraine from immediately joining NATO, ...
     
    In 2008 Putin narrowly escaped waking up one morning to find that Ukraine was a full member of Nato, but had to process that there was and official announcement--reiterated each year since-- that Ukraine was going at some undetermined point in the future to become a member of Nato. You own link says that along with telling Russia whether Ukraine joined was none of the Kremlins business, Bush "also said that there could be no deal with Moscow over the US administration's contentious plans to locate elements of its controversial missile defence system in eastern Europe."

    Which again leads to the question of why didn’t Russia wait until Ukraine had initiated the process.
     
    Because at any time after the 2008 announcement--agreed to by all members-- that Ukraine would someday join, American pressure could lead to Germany and France dropping their objections and Ukraine could suddenly join, and as a full member of Nato host US missile bases that compromised Russian security.

    Ukraine hasn’t qualified since 2014 because they have an unstable border. Do you acknowledge that?
     
    More legalism. A few months after Nato's 'Ukraine and Georgia' will join Nato (someday) announcement, Russia invaded Georgia and the US became less enthusiastic about trying to bring Ukraine into Nato. Six years later after internal strifem a Ukrainian government that wanted to break the remaining ties with Russia came to power and, fantastic as it seems, thought sidling up to the West would be the best way to reduce RusFed and ethnicRussian Ukrainian's proRussia influence over and interference in Ukrainian politics.

    Putin promptly annexed Crimea, undercover invaded Donbass, trounced an ineffective Ukrainian army and got what he wanted: the Ukrainian government agreed to give the Donbass, where the population included many ethnic Russians, substantial autonomy including what was in effect a built in veto against Ukraine becoming a member of Nato. Six years later it became clear to Putin that Ukraine was not going to homour the agreement whith it considered unfair, and he atempted another 2014 style operation but Ukraine was now a formidable opponent and so we are now in a full scale war in which whole cities in east Ukraine are being literally leveled and Ukrainian men decimated while Russia is being weakened economical demographically and morale-wise even as it inexorably advances is to what will be in material terms at most a rather Pyrrhic victory. Is Putin the only one to blame for all this?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Beckow, @sudden death

    That’s a good summary. Johnson guy is obsessed with denying what has happened – I am not sure why, the Ukie-in-Nato project has failed and is backfiring horribly on all involved, most of all the Ukies themselves. Understanding why so we can learn and not do it again is valuable.

    RusFed and ethnic Russian Ukrainian’s proRussia influence over and interference in Ukrainian politics.

    Do the ethnic Russians in Ukraine have any rights to influence? There were 10 million or more of them. They won few times the country-wide election. Can Belgium decide that the French minority has no rights? Or US with Hispanics? You seem to accept it.

    what will be in material terms at most a rather Pyrrhic victory

    It could be. But life is a question of alternatives: horrible bloodshed today against the alternative of Nato-in-Ukraine, missiles on the Russian border, indefensible, isolated Crimea, millions of ethnic-Russian expelled with many killed. That was the choice, the status quo was not going to last. It was up to Russia to decide – they are the ones who pay the price.

    Whether it is Pyrrhic is too early to tell. Nato-Kiev are trying to make it Pyrrhic, in effect accepting that they have lost. Ukraine’s loss will not even be Pyrrhic, it could be very bad or outright catastrophic. Losing wars is not fun – ask the German reader.

  707. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Derer

    I didn't think it was antisemitic at all.

    It is the most violent movie ever made, in that it is the only movie I have ever seen where the violence was in excess of what I could stand to watch. I quit before the Romans stopped beating Jesus the first time. I saw clips of the crucifixion and it looked pretty bad but when I watched the movie I never got close to that part.

    How in the universe would it be possible to make this movie and not have the Jews look dreadful? It is sort of an absurd critique.

    Replies: @Derer

    That violent event must have been extraordinary, in fact it created 2.38 bill followers, while the perpetrators attracted only 16 mill after 2000+ years.

  708. @John Johnson
    @Sean


    Ukraine didn’t qualify for NATO and wasn’t in the process of applying. You do acknowledge that verifiable reality?
     
    I suppose you are trying to sell the idea that Russia acted impetuously, but this was a geopolitical conflict and hostilities are opened by one side, not by mutual agreement on what constitutes a casus belli.

    So you don't deny the verifiable reality that Ukraine didn't qualify?

    Ukraine hasn't qualified since 2014 because they have an unstable border. Do you acknowledge that?

    Putin put the West on notice in 2007 that Russia was under o obligation whatsoever to respect the decisions of Washington about what happened on Russia’s borders.

    It was Putin in 2008 who said that they have no border qualms with Ukraine. The idea of invading Ukraine developed after the pro-Russian Ukrainian president was removed for corruption. He was denounced as corrupt and accused of murder by his own pro-Russian party.

    As you well know Bush tried to get Ukraine suddenly admitted as a full member in 2008 without it going through any such lengthy rigmarole as other countries were required to before joining

    That is false and shows you don't understand how NATO works.

    Here is Bush in 2008 stating that Ukraine and Georgia should be given membership application plans (the pre-application process):
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/01/nato.georgia

    Which again leads to the question of why didn't Russia wait until Ukraine had initiated the process.

    Why don't you cite evidence of your claim or just be another Putin defender that was caught making stuff up. This is a pattern that Mr. Hack and I have exposed numerous times. You guys all seem to isolate yourselves to pro-Putin websites and have a hard time with an open forum.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Sean, @Derer

    The idea of invading Ukraine developed after the pro-Russian Ukrainian president was removed for corruption.

    Not for corruption (convenient lie) but for refusing to allow Pentagon military base on Crimea. It is inconceivable for Russians to have a warmongering enemy military base on Crimea, it was rightfully returned to Russians by referendum. Would Washington allow Russian military base in Tijuana?

    You have a tunnel vision decease that you refuse to treat. Washington gang treat N.Korea with more respect than Russia, the no. 1 nuclear military power – there is no winning in nuclear conflict. Insults, like imposition of sanctions or theft of Russian assets are provocative criminal actions with long term consequences.

  709. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Perhaps, you're too young to remember the great "American" cartoonist and his output (he was actually Jewish born in Odesa). Max Fleischer. His cartoon house was the only one that could rival that of Walt Disney. Cartoon characters that he created included Mighty Mouse, Betty Boop, Superman (borrowed from the comic book company and redone for the cartoon market) and several others. All of these cartoons included incredible surrealistic effects that apparently left a deep sense of appreciation in my very young and impressionable eyes.

    I too appreciate artwork that is devoted to beauty and the ethereal heights, but have come to appreciate that great art can also include the full array of human emotions, including subjects that do not only include subject matter of beauty. Here's is one of Max Fleischer's early masterpieces, perhaps it will open up a new door of fantasy, humor, surrealism and yes beauty for your enjoyment:

    https://youtu.be/OHnc6tWg9p8

    Replies: @QCIC, @songbird

    Max Fleischer

    He is credited with inventing the rotoscope, which is something that I am a big fan of – though the technique is digital today.

    There is something beautiful about tracing the line of a skilled dancer or musician, or a wild animal in motion. The time and expense and difficulty of the work, by nature makes it an ambitious one, and I always admire ambition.

    Another thing that I greatly admire in Japanese animation is very closely related: the appreciation for real places, especially those with character, or what I would call kami. They location scout to find these places, and then trace them.

    [MORE]

    Here’s is one of Max Fleischer’s early masterpieces,

    Perhaps, it is a case of pearls before swine, but I have a very strong prejudice against anthropomorphism, as I have previously mentioned to Aaron.

    I wouldn’t say it is completely total, as I can appreciate things with animals that display some essentialism, like a cat that chases a a mouse, but for instance, I strongly dislike Mickey, though his enemy Pete is technically supposed to be a cat, as he just too weird. (Has a pet dog.). Though I can tolerate Scrooge and Donald, as they seem somewhat duckish to me, and Scrooge being greedy or diving into gold is a good gag. (And they are tied to their duck nephews so there is a family element)

    But in general, I think animal characters in cartoons lack essentialism. I dislike how they are depicted living in a strange society of different species seemingly for no good reason. And I also feel like it is a disservice to children, who I think should be more enmeshed in culture.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    I have a very strong prejudice against anthropomorphism,
     
    Do you own any pets? If you do, don't you ever talk to them like you might to another human being? I do to my three feral cats all of the time. Sure it' silly but somehow I, like probably millions of other human beings, also talk to their pets. If they don't, they've probably taken it one step further and somehow telepathically communicate with their pets. How in the world do you think that my father was able to get the neighborhood squirrel to come to him and climb on his body without harming him? :-)

    I dislike how they are depicted living in a strange society of different species seemingly for no good reason.
     
    These are probably primeval ideas that go way back into pre-history and to biblical times. The Noah's arc story, I think has captured the imagination of many people, believers and unbelievers alike. Here we have the classic case of different animal species all living harmoniously and for good reason together in one large community.

    Replies: @songbird, @Gerard1234

  710. I feel pretty underwhelmed with this ancient Italian star chart. Not even the oldest theoretical recording of a supernova.

    Would be a different matter, if it showed constellations one could only see from the Southern Hemisphere.

    https://www.npr.org/2023/12/28/1222056316/an-ancient-celestial-map-recently-found-in-italy-includes-an-unknown-star

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @songbird

    I once read of an old star map (painting?) in Japan which has unexpected information of some sort. Are you familiar with this one?

    Replies: @songbird

  711. @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Some logic behind animal uplift, besides legalizing bestiality, would be to see just what kind of creative works human-level intelligence animals would be able to achieve, at least if they will also evolve things such as disposable thumbs. (If not, we might need to scan their brains and/or brain waves or something like that, I would presume? That way we might still be able to find out what they are thinking.) Ashkenazi Jews have been an enormously creative people, and so have been Hajnal Line Europeans, and it would probably be a huge benefit to humanity if more sentient beings, both human and non-human, were similar to them.

    Replies: @yakushimaru

    I kind of think that we (the future people) must have known that much BEFORE uplifting becomes real.

    And to think that, when the future super smart people finally figure out that much about our brain, and the animal brains, the number one item on their to-do list is to have sex, with animals, for fun. WTF? Can’t they just push some buttons and be done with it? They still can’t do these disgusting things in a clean way?

  712. Is my understanding correct that one could hire about 500 Nigerians by using Claudine Gay’s annual salary?

    Does not seem like effective altruism.

  713. @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    about 20% were killed by pro-Russian forces.
     
    So, who killed the other 80%? Martians or some other space aliens?

    Replies: @AP

    Who do you think?

  714. @songbird
    I feel pretty underwhelmed with this ancient Italian star chart. Not even the oldest theoretical recording of a supernova.

    Would be a different matter, if it showed constellations one could only see from the Southern Hemisphere.

    https://www.npr.org/2023/12/28/1222056316/an-ancient-celestial-map-recently-found-in-italy-includes-an-unknown-star

    Replies: @QCIC

    I once read of an old star map (painting?) in Japan which has unexpected information of some sort. Are you familiar with this one?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @QCIC

    The Kitora tomb chart? It looks a lot more complicated, but I am hard-pressed to say what the interesting or unique feature of it is.

    https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/kitora-tomb-star-chart-declared-oldest-world-003449

    This is possibly an earlier record of a supernova than the Italian one, but it doesn't contain any constellations only two "suns". Seems quite primitive, and that might be too big a leap in logic.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/10/two-suns-no-its-a-supernova-drawn-6000-years-ago-say-indian-scientists

    Though the Italian one is possibly tenuous as well. Doesn't really seem obvious that there is a way to confirm it.

  715. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    But it’s not difficult to understand where some of the Russians’ attitude comes from either.
     
    Regarding the Baltic states, I used to think that the onus for improving relations should be mainly on Russians, because the mass deportations during the Stalin era were really pretty horrible, and when Russians don't acknowledge that at all or even justify it, it's evidence of a pretty sick colonialist mentality that is bound to arouse suspicions about their present-day intentions. There's also a power disparity here, since the Balts are such small nations, and given that asymmetry one might expect more magnanimity from the Russian side.
    To some extent I still believe that. But given the sort of proposals one has heard from a lot of Balts during the last two years, I'm closer now to a "Both sides are pretty terrible" view.

    why did Western countries actually foment those animosities and let them reach this point?
     
    I suspect you might disagree, but I'm convinced that regarding the US it's rooted in an ideologically motivated desire for global hegemony. No other power centres can be tolerated, if the world is to be made safe for liberal democracy. Of course that approach probably has had the perverse effect of actually increasing the authoritarian tendencies of regimes that are unwilling to submit to American hegemony and give up spheres of influence of their own, since anybody arguing for more liberalism and democratic reforms can easily be seen or painted as a subversive on the CIA's payroll.
    As for the Eastern Europeans, I'd say it was rooted in fears of Russian revisionism and security concerns. Understandable in a way, but imo it was misguided and probably has also had the paradoxical effect of making them less secure, given the expansion of Russia's war production and the combat experience the Russian army has gained in Ukraine.
    As for the Scandinavians and Britain, no real idea, except shit for brains and a desire to feel important? Hard to come up with any rational reasons.
    The rest of Europe wasn't really keen on this sort of development as far as I can tell, but also wasn't willing or able to do anything to prevent it.

    Replies: @AP, @Gerard1234, @Mikel

    Regarding the Baltic states, I used to think that the onus for improving relations should be mainly on Russians, because the mass deportations during the Stalin era were really pretty horrible, and when Russians don’t acknowledge that at all or even justify it, it’s evidence of a pretty sick colonialist mentality that is bound to arouse suspicions about their present-day intentions. There’s also a power disparity here, since the Balts are such small nations, and given that asymmetry one might expect more magnanimity from the Russian side.

    Correct.

    To some extent I still believe that. But given the sort of proposals one has heard from a lot of Balts during the last two years, I’m closer now to a “Both sides are pretty terrible” view.

    In the last two years Russia has revealed itself as a country that not only justifies past Soviet crimes (i.e., Stalin’s) but actually invades a neighboring country, killing 10,000s and annexing territories. Given these facts, there is nothing unreasonable about common Baltic “extreme” proposals though this depends on what exactly they are. Direct American involvement would be too dangerous, but the timid Biden administration could have done and should do much more,

    I suspect you might disagree, but I’m convinced that regarding the US it’s rooted in an ideologically motivated desire for global hegemony. No other power centres can be tolerated, if the world is to be made safe for liberal democracy

    USA helped build up China, stupidly. Alternative power centers are tolerated, as long as the USA can make money in the process.

    As for the Eastern Europeans, I’d say it was rooted in fears of Russian revisionism and security concerns.

    Fears that were justifiable.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AP


    Direct American involvement would be too dangerous, but the timid Biden administration could have done and should do much more,

     

    They could have sent Abrams tanks, that much is true (there was some very strange agenda behind their refusal to do so, while Germany was pressured into sending Leopards, which are available in much more limited numbers). But the constraints on Ukraine like manpower, the challenge with training large numbers of troops to effectively utilize Western equipment under wartime conditions, maintaining the logistics for that equipment etc. would all remain, challenges that Russia with its own military-industrial complex doesn't face.
    imo the asymmetry is simply too large, there was never a way Ukraine could win in the way people like Ben Hodges promised you, the best outcome was making further conquests too costly for Russia and improving Ukraine's position for eventual negotiations (but then Zelensky consistently pushed the line that negotiations are excluded, Putin is a war criminal who needs to be sent to The Hague, Ukraine will re-take Crimea etc., so what was the strategic plan here, beyond waiting for a miracle or trying to get NATO to enter the war directly?).
    But I know if (or probably rather when) this ends in disaster, you'll settle on this "Biden just didn't send enough weapons", and that will become the canonical explanation for everything.

    Fears that were justifiable.
     
    Baltic states are vulnerable, but even today there isn't really any indication that Russia has plans to invade them. What for anyway?
    As for the idea that Russia would just attack Poland or any other former Warsaw Pact member because it wants to bring them back under her thumb, that is frankly ridiculous.
    Ukraine is a special case for many reasons (the strategic importance of Crimea, the presence of large numbers of ethnic Russians in Crimea and Donbass, the prominence of the Russian language, the level of economic integration with Russia until the break in the last decade etc.). Russia eventually grudgingly reconciled herself to NATO membership even for the Baltics, but the prospect of the same for Ukraine was simply a step too far.

    Replies: @AP

  716. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    You missed my whole point, whether or not the average Ivan in Saratov was more critical of Putler than of the average one in Moscow or Peter. A shame, you wasted your breath on another long winded plea for me to support Putler, Russia and yourself in some sort of Putler appreciation support group. Yawn...

    Replies: @AP, @Philip Owen

    You missed my whole point, whether or not the average Ivan in Saratov was more critical of Putler than of the average one in Moscow or Peter

    Putin is less popular in Moscow than in the provinces. It’s a little bit like with the Iraq war for the USA: more popular in the places where people got killed fighting in it, than in places where people didn’t do that (New York). Though Moscow is not as nearly anti-war as New York City was. Still, there are plenty of openly anti-war people in Moscow.

    Moscow is treated well so that it does not feel desperate and will not engage in a revolt that could threaten its good life. The capital might not like Putin as much as do the provinces, but it is kept happy and content enough not to take to the streets to remove him. Yanukovich’s fate is what happens when the capital despises the leader, gets desperate, and is willing to fight to oust him.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    So Putler is less popular in the big urban centers than in the outlying areas, even though the body bags are increasing more in the later than in the former areas. Interesting. Thanks for finally straightening me out on this.

    Replies: @AP

  717. German_reader says:
    @AP
    @German_reader


    Regarding the Baltic states, I used to think that the onus for improving relations should be mainly on Russians, because the mass deportations during the Stalin era were really pretty horrible, and when Russians don’t acknowledge that at all or even justify it, it’s evidence of a pretty sick colonialist mentality that is bound to arouse suspicions about their present-day intentions. There’s also a power disparity here, since the Balts are such small nations, and given that asymmetry one might expect more magnanimity from the Russian side.
     
    Correct.

    To some extent I still believe that. But given the sort of proposals one has heard from a lot of Balts during the last two years, I’m closer now to a “Both sides are pretty terrible” view.
     
    In the last two years Russia has revealed itself as a country that not only justifies past Soviet crimes (i.e., Stalin's) but actually invades a neighboring country, killing 10,000s and annexing territories. Given these facts, there is nothing unreasonable about common Baltic "extreme" proposals though this depends on what exactly they are. Direct American involvement would be too dangerous, but the timid Biden administration could have done and should do much more,

    I suspect you might disagree, but I’m convinced that regarding the US it’s rooted in an ideologically motivated desire for global hegemony. No other power centres can be tolerated, if the world is to be made safe for liberal democracy
     
    USA helped build up China, stupidly. Alternative power centers are tolerated, as long as the USA can make money in the process.

    As for the Eastern Europeans, I’d say it was rooted in fears of Russian revisionism and security concerns.
     
    Fears that were justifiable.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Direct American involvement would be too dangerous, but the timid Biden administration could have done and should do much more,

    They could have sent Abrams tanks, that much is true (there was some very strange agenda behind their refusal to do so, while Germany was pressured into sending Leopards, which are available in much more limited numbers). But the constraints on Ukraine like manpower, the challenge with training large numbers of troops to effectively utilize Western equipment under wartime conditions, maintaining the logistics for that equipment etc. would all remain, challenges that Russia with its own military-industrial complex doesn’t face.
    imo the asymmetry is simply too large, there was never a way Ukraine could win in the way people like Ben Hodges promised you, the best outcome was making further conquests too costly for Russia and improving Ukraine’s position for eventual negotiations (but then Zelensky consistently pushed the line that negotiations are excluded, Putin is a war criminal who needs to be sent to The Hague, Ukraine will re-take Crimea etc., so what was the strategic plan here, beyond waiting for a miracle or trying to get NATO to enter the war directly?).
    But I know if (or probably rather when) this ends in disaster, you’ll settle on this “Biden just didn’t send enough weapons”, and that will become the canonical explanation for everything.

    Fears that were justifiable.

    Baltic states are vulnerable, but even today there isn’t really any indication that Russia has plans to invade them. What for anyway?
    As for the idea that Russia would just attack Poland or any other former Warsaw Pact member because it wants to bring them back under her thumb, that is frankly ridiculous.
    Ukraine is a special case for many reasons (the strategic importance of Crimea, the presence of large numbers of ethnic Russians in Crimea and Donbass, the prominence of the Russian language, the level of economic integration with Russia until the break in the last decade etc.). Russia eventually grudgingly reconciled herself to NATO membership even for the Baltics, but the prospect of the same for Ukraine was simply a step too far.

    • Replies: @AP
    @German_reader


    Direct American involvement would be too dangerous, but the timid Biden administration could have done and should do much more,

    They could have sent Abrams tanks, that much is true (there was some very strange agenda behind their refusal to do so, while Germany was pressured into sending Leopards, which are available in much more limited numbers).
     
    They could have sent 500 ATACMS missiles rather than 20 (and sent them much sooner), 500 Bradleys rather than 180, and many more Abrams. All of these things had been sitting in storage. About 1000 ATACMs are expiring. America will have to spend money disposing them, instead it could send them to Ukraine. And the F-16s could have been moved forward a year ago. Germans have proven to be braver than Biden, but still no Taurus missiles. Supposedly the German defense minister want sot provide them, Scholz refuses.

    Before the war even started the Biden administration projected its timidity by stating all the things America wouldn't do, such as supply missiles, jets, etc. (which it later did). There is a chance that Russia would have been deterred from invading had its leaders understood what Ukraine would have been given or if even there had been a lot of ambiguity.

    But the constraints on Ukraine like manpower, the challenge with training large numbers of troops to effectively utilize Western equipment under wartime conditions, maintaining the logistics for that equipment etc. would all remain
     
    The things I mentioned could all have been done. 5000 ATACMS missiles could have been provided a year ago, instead of 20 a few months ago. Ukraine had the capability of using them. F-16 training could have been started a year ago, too.

    Zelensky consistently pushed the line that negotiations are excluded, Putin is a war criminal who needs to be sent to The Hague, Ukraine will re-take Crimea etc.
     
    Putin himself has been unwilling to support reasonable negotiations. He consistently insists on his prewar conditions, adding Kherson and Zaporizhia on top of them, so there is nothing to negotiate, unfortunately.

    so what was the strategic plan here, beyond waiting for a miracle or trying to get NATO to enter the war directly
     
    As Zaluzhny explained, there was a not unreasonable assumption that if Russia experienced 100,000 KIA (a similar number to how many were killed in the Russo-Japanese war) it would back off and seek negotiations rather than continue the invasion of another country. He underestimated how many Russian boys the Russian government was willing to get killed in a foreign land.

    A Ukrainian victory (one short of retaking Donbas and Crimea) would not require a "miracle." A favorable loss ratio over time would probably do it. This could mean no offensives for awhile, let the Russians bleed while trying to take Avdiivka. More and better weapons would help Ukraine to achieve that.

    But I know if (or probably rather when) this ends in disaster, you’ll settle on this “Biden just didn’t send enough weapons”, and that will become the canonical explanation for everything.
     
    You are an extreme pessimist in most things. The most likely result will be some sort of stalemate. Sadly it may take about 100,000 or more dead people from each side. Karlin thinks 70% chance of stalemate, 15% chance of Ukrainian collapse and 15% of Russian collapse. I think that either collapse scenario is more unlikely than 15% chance, but he knows Russia better than I do.

    A lot depends on how much support Ukraine continues to get.

    Baltic states are vulnerable, but even today there isn’t really any indication that Russia has plans to invade them. What for anyway?
     
    Some Russian official (I think) was very recently saying that Russia should carve out a land corridor from Belarus to Kaliningrad. This mans taking territory from Poland (unlikely) or Lithuania.

    I doubt that Russia would attack Poland but if Ukraine falls the Baltics become likely a few years later, after Russia rearms. It would secure Kalinigrad and Saint Petersburg, reconstitute the territory of the USSR, "save" the ethnic Russians living there, and potentially break up NATO/prove it to be a paper tiger (if America decides not to send boys to die for Estonia). Of course in such a case Poland would become directly involved, almost certainly.

    So, better not to take chances and let Ukraine fall. The Baltics have good reason to support Ukraine so strongly.

    As for the idea that Russia would just attack Poland or any other former Warsaw Pact member because it wants to bring them back under her thumb, that is frankly ridiculous.
     
    A few years ago a full invasion of Ukraine would have been seen as ridiculous.

    I don't think that Russia would attack Poland or another former Warsaw Pact member, but if Ukraine were to fall (and to be clear - I doubt it will) there would be a high chance of Russia eliminating the Baltics. Not a 100% chance, but perhaps a 30% chance of this. This might very well lead to a chain reaction - Poland would defend the Baltics, what then?

    What would Romania do if Russia decided to annex Moldova or to invade it, occupy it and install a pro-Russian government there? Romania is also building up its army now.

    Biden's weakness makes the world less safe.

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  718. @German_reader
    @AP


    Direct American involvement would be too dangerous, but the timid Biden administration could have done and should do much more,

     

    They could have sent Abrams tanks, that much is true (there was some very strange agenda behind their refusal to do so, while Germany was pressured into sending Leopards, which are available in much more limited numbers). But the constraints on Ukraine like manpower, the challenge with training large numbers of troops to effectively utilize Western equipment under wartime conditions, maintaining the logistics for that equipment etc. would all remain, challenges that Russia with its own military-industrial complex doesn't face.
    imo the asymmetry is simply too large, there was never a way Ukraine could win in the way people like Ben Hodges promised you, the best outcome was making further conquests too costly for Russia and improving Ukraine's position for eventual negotiations (but then Zelensky consistently pushed the line that negotiations are excluded, Putin is a war criminal who needs to be sent to The Hague, Ukraine will re-take Crimea etc., so what was the strategic plan here, beyond waiting for a miracle or trying to get NATO to enter the war directly?).
    But I know if (or probably rather when) this ends in disaster, you'll settle on this "Biden just didn't send enough weapons", and that will become the canonical explanation for everything.

    Fears that were justifiable.
     
    Baltic states are vulnerable, but even today there isn't really any indication that Russia has plans to invade them. What for anyway?
    As for the idea that Russia would just attack Poland or any other former Warsaw Pact member because it wants to bring them back under her thumb, that is frankly ridiculous.
    Ukraine is a special case for many reasons (the strategic importance of Crimea, the presence of large numbers of ethnic Russians in Crimea and Donbass, the prominence of the Russian language, the level of economic integration with Russia until the break in the last decade etc.). Russia eventually grudgingly reconciled herself to NATO membership even for the Baltics, but the prospect of the same for Ukraine was simply a step too far.

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    Direct American involvement would be too dangerous, but the timid Biden administration could have done and should do much more,

    They could have sent Abrams tanks, that much is true (there was some very strange agenda behind their refusal to do so, while Germany was pressured into sending Leopards, which are available in much more limited numbers).

    They could have sent 500 ATACMS missiles rather than 20 (and sent them much sooner), 500 Bradleys rather than 180, and many more Abrams. All of these things had been sitting in storage. About 1000 ATACMs are expiring. America will have to spend money disposing them, instead it could send them to Ukraine. And the F-16s could have been moved forward a year ago. Germans have proven to be braver than Biden, but still no Taurus missiles. Supposedly the German defense minister want sot provide them, Scholz refuses.

    Before the war even started the Biden administration projected its timidity by stating all the things America wouldn’t do, such as supply missiles, jets, etc. (which it later did). There is a chance that Russia would have been deterred from invading had its leaders understood what Ukraine would have been given or if even there had been a lot of ambiguity.

    But the constraints on Ukraine like manpower, the challenge with training large numbers of troops to effectively utilize Western equipment under wartime conditions, maintaining the logistics for that equipment etc. would all remain

    The things I mentioned could all have been done. 5000 ATACMS missiles could have been provided a year ago, instead of 20 a few months ago. Ukraine had the capability of using them. F-16 training could have been started a year ago, too.

    Zelensky consistently pushed the line that negotiations are excluded, Putin is a war criminal who needs to be sent to The Hague, Ukraine will re-take Crimea etc.

    Putin himself has been unwilling to support reasonable negotiations. He consistently insists on his prewar conditions, adding Kherson and Zaporizhia on top of them, so there is nothing to negotiate, unfortunately.

    so what was the strategic plan here, beyond waiting for a miracle or trying to get NATO to enter the war directly

    As Zaluzhny explained, there was a not unreasonable assumption that if Russia experienced 100,000 KIA (a similar number to how many were killed in the Russo-Japanese war) it would back off and seek negotiations rather than continue the invasion of another country. He underestimated how many Russian boys the Russian government was willing to get killed in a foreign land.

    A Ukrainian victory (one short of retaking Donbas and Crimea) would not require a “miracle.” A favorable loss ratio over time would probably do it. This could mean no offensives for awhile, let the Russians bleed while trying to take Avdiivka. More and better weapons would help Ukraine to achieve that.

    But I know if (or probably rather when) this ends in disaster, you’ll settle on this “Biden just didn’t send enough weapons”, and that will become the canonical explanation for everything.

    You are an extreme pessimist in most things. The most likely result will be some sort of stalemate. Sadly it may take about 100,000 or more dead people from each side. Karlin thinks 70% chance of stalemate, 15% chance of Ukrainian collapse and 15% of Russian collapse. I think that either collapse scenario is more unlikely than 15% chance, but he knows Russia better than I do.

    A lot depends on how much support Ukraine continues to get.

    Baltic states are vulnerable, but even today there isn’t really any indication that Russia has plans to invade them. What for anyway?

    Some Russian official (I think) was very recently saying that Russia should carve out a land corridor from Belarus to Kaliningrad. This mans taking territory from Poland (unlikely) or Lithuania.

    I doubt that Russia would attack Poland but if Ukraine falls the Baltics become likely a few years later, after Russia rearms. It would secure Kalinigrad and Saint Petersburg, reconstitute the territory of the USSR, “save” the ethnic Russians living there, and potentially break up NATO/prove it to be a paper tiger (if America decides not to send boys to die for Estonia). Of course in such a case Poland would become directly involved, almost certainly.

    So, better not to take chances and let Ukraine fall. The Baltics have good reason to support Ukraine so strongly.

    As for the idea that Russia would just attack Poland or any other former Warsaw Pact member because it wants to bring them back under her thumb, that is frankly ridiculous.

    A few years ago a full invasion of Ukraine would have been seen as ridiculous.

    I don’t think that Russia would attack Poland or another former Warsaw Pact member, but if Ukraine were to fall (and to be clear – I doubt it will) there would be a high chance of Russia eliminating the Baltics. Not a 100% chance, but perhaps a 30% chance of this. This might very well lead to a chain reaction – Poland would defend the Baltics, what then?

    What would Romania do if Russia decided to annex Moldova or to invade it, occupy it and install a pro-Russian government there? Romania is also building up its army now.

    Biden’s weakness makes the world less safe.

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    @AP


    They could have sent 500 ATACMS missiles rather than 20 (and sent them much sooner), 500 Bradleys rather than 180, and many more Abrams.
     
    Possibly somewhat true regarding systems like Bradleys and Abrams. Efforts to supply Ukraine with shells and ammunition have probably also been deficient, it can be argued that Western states should have made much more of an effort in this regard.
    But regarding long-range missiles, no. The reason why has just been on display once again in the Ukrainian strike on Belgorod. Ukraine's leadership has made too many mistakes and frankly isn't trustworthy enough to be given such weapons.

    There is a chance that Russia would have been deterred from invading had its leaders understood what Ukraine would have been given or if even there had been a lot of ambiguity.
     
    I have a fundamental disagreement with this view since I believe increasing Western military support for Ukraine was a crucial factor in Putin's decision for the invasion. The policy of Biden's administration (as in the 2021 charter on strategic partnership with Ukraine) was apparently seen as a threatening escalation that made a preventive war necessary.
    Of course you might argue that Biden shouldn't just have taken half-measures, but immediately gone all-in, if he was set on confrontation with Russia anyway. But accusing him of "timidity" is a distortion imo.


    He consistently insists on his prewar conditions, adding Kherson and Zaporizhia on top of them, so there is nothing to negotiate, unfortunately.
     
    Well, obviously the annexations of Kherson and Zaporizhia have made the situation much worse and a negotiated settlement much more unlikely, since it's pretty much impossible for any Ukrainian government to recognize those illegitimate annexations. That much is true. There are also some Russian demands that Ukraine should never accept (like unilateral de-militarization or being forced back into Russia's Eurasian structures).
    However, if you reject any negotiations, what exactly is the desired outcome supposed to be? How is this war supposed to end? The idea of some total victory over Russia which has the Russian army being outright defeated or Russia just giving up and leaving isn't very credible.

    The most likely result will be some sort of stalemate. Sadly it may take about 100,000 or more dead people from each side. Karlin thinks 70% chance of stalemate, 15% chance of Ukrainian collapse and 15% of Russian collapse.

     

    Given his "shock and disbelief" pronouncements in 2022 I doubt Karlin's competence as a military expert (though I suppose he knows a lot about uplifted animals. I wonder if that elephant in his gay pride parade pic is supposed to be one).
    I don't believe there's a stable structural stalemate. Ukraine's position is likely to worsen over time in a war of attrition. That might be mitigated by Western support (and as I've written before, I'm not in favour of just cutting off that support; there might even be an argument for increasing it, IF there's a credible strategy to end this war that goes beyond what has been seen so far). But you can't change the underlying asymmetry. The argument about favorable loss ratios also doesn't convince me. Sure, conditions favor the defender, so at present it may be Russians who do more of the bleeding. But if Ukraine wants to re-take the occupied territories, obviously it would at some point have to go on the offensive again and suffer much higher losses.
    As for " Sadly it may take about 100,000 or more dead people from each side.", maybe. But the sunk costs could also increase Putin's determination to finish off Ukraine once and for all. I think something like this has happened already. In the first half of 2022 there may still have been a chance to end this war in a relatively positive way for Ukraine, with no major new losses of territory. That chance has already slipped away, and maybe other chances that still exist now will also be gone, if this war goes on for several years more.

    I doubt that Russia would attack Poland but if Ukraine falls the Baltics become likely a few years later, after Russia rearms. It would secure Kalinigrad and Saint Petersburg, reconstitute the territory of the USSR, “save” the ethnic Russians living there, and potentially break up NATO/prove it to be a paper tiger (if America decides not to send boys to die for Estonia).

     

    These scenarios are admittedly not impossible. But betting everything on a total defeat of Russia (which seems to be the preferred Baltic approach) is a very high-risk approach that could backfire badly.

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  719. German_reader says:
    @AP
    @German_reader


    Direct American involvement would be too dangerous, but the timid Biden administration could have done and should do much more,

    They could have sent Abrams tanks, that much is true (there was some very strange agenda behind their refusal to do so, while Germany was pressured into sending Leopards, which are available in much more limited numbers).
     
    They could have sent 500 ATACMS missiles rather than 20 (and sent them much sooner), 500 Bradleys rather than 180, and many more Abrams. All of these things had been sitting in storage. About 1000 ATACMs are expiring. America will have to spend money disposing them, instead it could send them to Ukraine. And the F-16s could have been moved forward a year ago. Germans have proven to be braver than Biden, but still no Taurus missiles. Supposedly the German defense minister want sot provide them, Scholz refuses.

    Before the war even started the Biden administration projected its timidity by stating all the things America wouldn't do, such as supply missiles, jets, etc. (which it later did). There is a chance that Russia would have been deterred from invading had its leaders understood what Ukraine would have been given or if even there had been a lot of ambiguity.

    But the constraints on Ukraine like manpower, the challenge with training large numbers of troops to effectively utilize Western equipment under wartime conditions, maintaining the logistics for that equipment etc. would all remain
     
    The things I mentioned could all have been done. 5000 ATACMS missiles could have been provided a year ago, instead of 20 a few months ago. Ukraine had the capability of using them. F-16 training could have been started a year ago, too.

    Zelensky consistently pushed the line that negotiations are excluded, Putin is a war criminal who needs to be sent to The Hague, Ukraine will re-take Crimea etc.
     
    Putin himself has been unwilling to support reasonable negotiations. He consistently insists on his prewar conditions, adding Kherson and Zaporizhia on top of them, so there is nothing to negotiate, unfortunately.

    so what was the strategic plan here, beyond waiting for a miracle or trying to get NATO to enter the war directly
     
    As Zaluzhny explained, there was a not unreasonable assumption that if Russia experienced 100,000 KIA (a similar number to how many were killed in the Russo-Japanese war) it would back off and seek negotiations rather than continue the invasion of another country. He underestimated how many Russian boys the Russian government was willing to get killed in a foreign land.

    A Ukrainian victory (one short of retaking Donbas and Crimea) would not require a "miracle." A favorable loss ratio over time would probably do it. This could mean no offensives for awhile, let the Russians bleed while trying to take Avdiivka. More and better weapons would help Ukraine to achieve that.

    But I know if (or probably rather when) this ends in disaster, you’ll settle on this “Biden just didn’t send enough weapons”, and that will become the canonical explanation for everything.
     
    You are an extreme pessimist in most things. The most likely result will be some sort of stalemate. Sadly it may take about 100,000 or more dead people from each side. Karlin thinks 70% chance of stalemate, 15% chance of Ukrainian collapse and 15% of Russian collapse. I think that either collapse scenario is more unlikely than 15% chance, but he knows Russia better than I do.

    A lot depends on how much support Ukraine continues to get.

    Baltic states are vulnerable, but even today there isn’t really any indication that Russia has plans to invade them. What for anyway?
     
    Some Russian official (I think) was very recently saying that Russia should carve out a land corridor from Belarus to Kaliningrad. This mans taking territory from Poland (unlikely) or Lithuania.

    I doubt that Russia would attack Poland but if Ukraine falls the Baltics become likely a few years later, after Russia rearms. It would secure Kalinigrad and Saint Petersburg, reconstitute the territory of the USSR, "save" the ethnic Russians living there, and potentially break up NATO/prove it to be a paper tiger (if America decides not to send boys to die for Estonia). Of course in such a case Poland would become directly involved, almost certainly.

    So, better not to take chances and let Ukraine fall. The Baltics have good reason to support Ukraine so strongly.

    As for the idea that Russia would just attack Poland or any other former Warsaw Pact member because it wants to bring them back under her thumb, that is frankly ridiculous.
     
    A few years ago a full invasion of Ukraine would have been seen as ridiculous.

    I don't think that Russia would attack Poland or another former Warsaw Pact member, but if Ukraine were to fall (and to be clear - I doubt it will) there would be a high chance of Russia eliminating the Baltics. Not a 100% chance, but perhaps a 30% chance of this. This might very well lead to a chain reaction - Poland would defend the Baltics, what then?

    What would Romania do if Russia decided to annex Moldova or to invade it, occupy it and install a pro-Russian government there? Romania is also building up its army now.

    Biden's weakness makes the world less safe.

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    They could have sent 500 ATACMS missiles rather than 20 (and sent them much sooner), 500 Bradleys rather than 180, and many more Abrams.

    Possibly somewhat true regarding systems like Bradleys and Abrams. Efforts to supply Ukraine with shells and ammunition have probably also been deficient, it can be argued that Western states should have made much more of an effort in this regard.
    But regarding long-range missiles, no. The reason why has just been on display once again in the Ukrainian strike on Belgorod. Ukraine’s leadership has made too many mistakes and frankly isn’t trustworthy enough to be given such weapons.

    There is a chance that Russia would have been deterred from invading had its leaders understood what Ukraine would have been given or if even there had been a lot of ambiguity.

    I have a fundamental disagreement with this view since I believe increasing Western military support for Ukraine was a crucial factor in Putin’s decision for the invasion. The policy of Biden’s administration (as in the 2021 charter on strategic partnership with Ukraine) was apparently seen as a threatening escalation that made a preventive war necessary.
    Of course you might argue that Biden shouldn’t just have taken half-measures, but immediately gone all-in, if he was set on confrontation with Russia anyway. But accusing him of “timidity” is a distortion imo.

    He consistently insists on his prewar conditions, adding Kherson and Zaporizhia on top of them, so there is nothing to negotiate, unfortunately.

    Well, obviously the annexations of Kherson and Zaporizhia have made the situation much worse and a negotiated settlement much more unlikely, since it’s pretty much impossible for any Ukrainian government to recognize those illegitimate annexations. That much is true. There are also some Russian demands that Ukraine should never accept (like unilateral de-militarization or being forced back into Russia’s Eurasian structures).
    However, if you reject any negotiations, what exactly is the desired outcome supposed to be? How is this war supposed to end? The idea of some total victory over Russia which has the Russian army being outright defeated or Russia just giving up and leaving isn’t very credible.

    The most likely result will be some sort of stalemate. Sadly it may take about 100,000 or more dead people from each side. Karlin thinks 70% chance of stalemate, 15% chance of Ukrainian collapse and 15% of Russian collapse.

    Given his “shock and disbelief” pronouncements in 2022 I doubt Karlin’s competence as a military expert (though I suppose he knows a lot about uplifted animals. I wonder if that elephant in his gay pride parade pic is supposed to be one).
    I don’t believe there’s a stable structural stalemate. Ukraine’s position is likely to worsen over time in a war of attrition. That might be mitigated by Western support (and as I’ve written before, I’m not in favour of just cutting off that support; there might even be an argument for increasing it, IF there’s a credible strategy to end this war that goes beyond what has been seen so far). But you can’t change the underlying asymmetry. The argument about favorable loss ratios also doesn’t convince me. Sure, conditions favor the defender, so at present it may be Russians who do more of the bleeding. But if Ukraine wants to re-take the occupied territories, obviously it would at some point have to go on the offensive again and suffer much higher losses.
    As for ” Sadly it may take about 100,000 or more dead people from each side.”, maybe. But the sunk costs could also increase Putin’s determination to finish off Ukraine once and for all. I think something like this has happened already. In the first half of 2022 there may still have been a chance to end this war in a relatively positive way for Ukraine, with no major new losses of territory. That chance has already slipped away, and maybe other chances that still exist now will also be gone, if this war goes on for several years more.

    I doubt that Russia would attack Poland but if Ukraine falls the Baltics become likely a few years later, after Russia rearms. It would secure Kalinigrad and Saint Petersburg, reconstitute the territory of the USSR, “save” the ethnic Russians living there, and potentially break up NATO/prove it to be a paper tiger (if America decides not to send boys to die for Estonia).

    These scenarios are admittedly not impossible. But betting everything on a total defeat of Russia (which seems to be the preferred Baltic approach) is a very high-risk approach that could backfire badly.

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    @German_reader


    the annexations of Kherson and Zaporizhia have made the situation much worse and a negotiated settlement much more unlikely, since it’s pretty much impossible for any Ukrainian government to recognize those illegitimate annexations. That much is true. There are also some Russian demands that Ukraine should never accept (like unilateral de-militarization or being forced back into Russia’s Eurasian structures).

    However, if you reject any negotiations, what exactly is the desired outcome supposed to be? How is this war supposed to end? The idea of some total victory over Russia which has the Russian army being outright defeated or Russia just giving up and leaving isn’t very credible.
     
    It is worth restating that Ukraine is physically huge. There is enough available for the sides to make a deal that no one likes, but both sides can accept.

    Ukraine spent years threatening Crimea. The need for the "land bridge" is now locked in as a Russian necessity. The current line is functional, with some tweaks, as a new border. It may be difficult for Ukraine to accept, but there is no way to roll it back.
    ___

    There is a difference between "military limits" and "demilitarization". While Russia would prefer the later, the former is negotiable. Merkel admits intentional subterfuge on the Minsk deal, thus buying time for Kiev to arm up for Round 1.

    The only way to prevent Ukraine from starting Round 2 are sensible & enforceable "military limits", including No NATO Ever & sharp restrictions on foreign forces. Keeping Kiev below the line where they would relaunch the conflict is key.
    ___

    One would expect Russia to make painful concessions on the economic front in return for their necessities tied to territory and military limits. The new, smaller Ukraine will want to depart Russia’s Eurasian structures for EU business relationships.

    For example, the difficulty sending grain and other goods to Germany points out Ukraine's desire to regauge their cargo rail system to the European standard. This process will eventually make the new border a steep economic barrier for anything other than truck load commerce.

    PEACE 😇

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    , @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...the annexations of Kherson and Zaporizhia have made the situation much worse and a negotiated settlement much more unlikely
     
    That was valid in the past, but we are in 2024. How would Russia agree to give up what it holds if Kiev is using any proxmity to the Russian areas to bomb them? Azov corridor protects Crimea - so Ukraine is either fully demilitarized (=conquered) or there is a large buffer - the logic of Kiev bombing Russian areas.

    People poring over maps are technicians - they don't care if it is just. Understandably, Kiev can't negotiate it - and Nato is still obsessed with keeping Crimea from Russia and will not agree. We got here with the bad Western decisions and the inability to think stuff through, to anticipate (high IQ is the ability to anticipate).


    How is this war supposed to end?
     
    Beats me, it is a total clusterf..k, there is no clean solution. It will not be a stalemate as AP hopes, that would require a stasis - there is no stasis with assymetry in forces and total conflict in goals. Russia is simply stronger and the objectives can't be reconciled. The war will go to the bitter end - either Ukraine collapses or Russia. Or we go to nukes.

    When the Gordian knot is cut through everything will suddenly change - new reality and only regrets for the losers. That's where it is heading: weak, rump Ukraine, partially depopulated, destroyed economy, lots of guns and infighting. Maybe based in Kiev, but possibly further west. South-east controlled by Russia, annexed or not is a technicality. Nobody will recognize anything anyway - Merkel personally made sure that no "treaties" will exist for years - it is on her conscience. One should never openly lie in diplomacy.

    Unless it goes to the nukes the rest of us will be fine. Russia will be busy recovering and absorbing the mess. They may jokingly threaten the Balts, but why would they bother w the mini-states? Unless Nato starts it, they will stay as a festering wound on the Baltic.

    What was it good for? We had a balance, peace, Kiev neutrality, trade was growing, But the neo-cons wanted Crimea and a dagger against Russia, Ukies were drunk on atavistic nationalism, and Euros (=Germans) turn out not to actually exist. On a positive note, it has been quite entertaining.

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    , @AP
    @German_reader


    Possibly somewhat true regarding systems like Bradleys and Abrams. Efforts to supply Ukraine with shells and ammunition have probably also been deficient, it can be argued that Western states should have made much more of an effort in this regard.
     
    If Ukraine has hundreds of Western tanks and Bradleys much sooner (if Biden had started shipping them and training Ukrainians right away) the southern offensvie might have been conducted earlier and in more strength.

    But regarding long-range missiles, no. The reason why has just been on display once again in the Ukrainian strike on Belgorod.
     
    Most of the civilian damage there was caused by Russian rockets (same thing for a lot of the damage in Ukraine). Belgorod is a legitimate target - prior to the Ukrainian attack on it, it had launched a lot of rockets into Kharkiv. It is also a logistics hub and hosts a factory making electronics for Russian weapons.

    Forcing Russia to defend Belgorod by not having it off-limits can also make things easier for Ukraine within Ukrainian territory.

    There is a chance that Russia would have been deterred from invading had its leaders understood what Ukraine would have been given or if even there had been a lot of ambiguity.


    I have a fundamental disagreement with this view since I believe increasing Western military support for Ukraine was a crucial factor in Putin’s decision for the invasion
     
    Putin attacked because he felt Ukraine was weak and wouldn't fight back (and wouldn't be given substantial military assistance), while also understanding that Ukraine would permanently and inevitably move out of Russia's orbit if it were not invaded and regime-changed. If Ukraine had been seen as being stronger and more formidable, Putin would not have attacked. If Ukraine had a pro-Russian government or if it were hobbled by a Donbas that would have vetoed Westward moves (Minsk deal implemented as Russia interpreted it), he also would not have attacked.

    Supplying Ukraine better pre-2021 and making clear just how much Ukraine would be helped it were to be attacked would have eliminated the first factor. Remember in late 2021 to earl 2022 Ukraine just got a couple hundred javelin missiles and a dozen Bayraktars - not much. And the Biden administration was saying that they wouldn't give rockets (they later did provide Himars), that they would not supply jets, etc. etc. They mostly only just threatened sanctions. Coupled with the botched Afghan retreat and it looked like the coast was clear for Russia.

    Of course you might argue that Biden shouldn’t just have taken half-measures, but immediately gone all-in, if he was set on confrontation with Russia anyway.
     
    The half-measures or quarter-measures didn't deter Russia, on the contrary they encouraged an attack. Conspiracy theories are usually something for fools but if there was a conspiracy it was to get Putin to stupidly fall into a trap in Ukraine: make it looks like it would be easy, there would only be sanctions as consequences, Ukrainians won't fight much anyways, but then get stuck in a massive war where your military gets degraded.

    To be clear, I don't think this was a deliberate trap. I think Biden's administration really is simply timid, while also being unwilling to simply capitulate, so they do half-measures and help enough to prevent Ukraine from collapsing while also being too scared to help too much.

    Given his “shock and disbelief” pronouncements in 2022 I doubt Karlin’s competence as a military expert
     
    That was extremely mistaken but he has been solid since then.

    Well, obviously the annexations of Kherson and Zaporizhia have made the situation much worse and a negotiated settlement much more unlikely, since it’s pretty much impossible for any Ukrainian government to recognize those illegitimate annexations. That much is true. There are also some Russian demands that Ukraine should never accept (like unilateral de-militarization or being forced back into Russia’s Eurasian structures).
     
    And so there is no one to negotiate with for the near term, as long as these conditions remain. Also Ukrainian public opinion is strongly against making such massive concessions.

    However, if you reject any negotiations, what exactly is the desired outcome supposed to be? How is this war supposed to end?
     
    Enough Russian losses with no prospects of total victory to convince Russia to give up its more extreme demands (this can be done with ongoing or better stepped-up military aid), combined with carrots/sticks for Ukrainians (fast track EU and massive aid probably out of Russian frozen funds in exchange for peace and acceptance of permanent loss of Crimea and Donbas , cutting off military aid otherwise) could foster negotiations in the future.

    I don’t believe there’s a stable structural stalemate.
     
    The lines are stable and well-fortified. Neither side is capable of major breakthroughs. Both sides have large numbers of forces, capable of dragging this out for years.

    The argument about favorable loss ratios also doesn’t convince me. Sure, conditions favor the defender, so at present it may be Russians who do more of the bleeding. But if Ukraine wants to re-take the occupied territories, obviously it would at some point have to go on the offensive again and suffer much higher losses.
     
    Their strategy seems to be to bleed Russia until long enough to make a later offensive viable without massive casualties, to hollow out Russian forces, destroy more tanks and helicopters than they can produce, etc. This would require a favorable casualty ratio for a long time. Russia is helping with its meat wave attacks in Avdiivka. The West can help more, by supplying more and better missiles.

    But you can’t change the underlying asymmetry
     
    There are two asymmetries. Russia has a much larger population and industrial base than Ukraine. but Ukrainians are fighting for their homes, Russians are not. Vietnamese and Afghans took far more casualties than their invaders, but they outlasted them eventually. And the Western industrial base collectively dwarfs that of Russia. If the West has the will to provide more, it will take a much smaller of fraction of the West's efforts to swamp Russia's efforts.

    These scenarios are admittedly not impossible
     
    If Ukraine were to fall there would be a high (maybe around 30% chance) of something like this happening in a few years after Russia rebuilds its military: Russia starts making ultimatums to the Baltics - perhaps an autonomous zone in Narva, port access to Riga, territorial concessions linking Kalinigrad to Belarus. If the Baltics do not cave in, an invasion. NATO might do nothing beyond something symbolic. This would cause it to break. Poland would aid the Baltics. Would NATO then really help Poland? If so it will be a wider war.

    Better to not take chances and to give the Ukrainians what they need to stop Russia now and put an end to this nonsense. This is a bit like 1938. Putin is not Hitler, history is rhyming rather than repeating, but there are clear parallels.

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    @German_reader


    since it’s pretty much impossible for any Ukrainian government to recognize those illegitimate annexations.
     
    For Russians the whole Ukraine annexation is legitimate...it was one country like Catalans in Spain. The borders within the Soviet Union should have been settled before the disintegration (Ukraine, Armenia, Kazakhstan). Unfortunately the drunken illiterate Yeltsin presided over that important historical moment with haste and without paying attention to ramification.

    The American Polak, Brzezinski gave Russians important hint on their relation with Ukraine: "Russia is superpower with Ukraine and without it is a minor power".

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  720. The Aussie Cossack Show – Russian Christmas Eve Special!

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    @Mikhail

    Imagine leaving Russia and Syria, your native country, then spending all your time in your new country advocating for the shithole country you were desperate to get away from. Once again we see that non-Europeans have radically different values from us. (Needless to say Ukrainians have the same Eurasian mentality).

  721. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    But it’s not difficult to understand where some of the Russians’ attitude comes from either.
     
    Regarding the Baltic states, I used to think that the onus for improving relations should be mainly on Russians, because the mass deportations during the Stalin era were really pretty horrible, and when Russians don't acknowledge that at all or even justify it, it's evidence of a pretty sick colonialist mentality that is bound to arouse suspicions about their present-day intentions. There's also a power disparity here, since the Balts are such small nations, and given that asymmetry one might expect more magnanimity from the Russian side.
    To some extent I still believe that. But given the sort of proposals one has heard from a lot of Balts during the last two years, I'm closer now to a "Both sides are pretty terrible" view.

    why did Western countries actually foment those animosities and let them reach this point?
     
    I suspect you might disagree, but I'm convinced that regarding the US it's rooted in an ideologically motivated desire for global hegemony. No other power centres can be tolerated, if the world is to be made safe for liberal democracy. Of course that approach probably has had the perverse effect of actually increasing the authoritarian tendencies of regimes that are unwilling to submit to American hegemony and give up spheres of influence of their own, since anybody arguing for more liberalism and democratic reforms can easily be seen or painted as a subversive on the CIA's payroll.
    As for the Eastern Europeans, I'd say it was rooted in fears of Russian revisionism and security concerns. Understandable in a way, but imo it was misguided and probably has also had the paradoxical effect of making them less secure, given the expansion of Russia's war production and the combat experience the Russian army has gained in Ukraine.
    As for the Scandinavians and Britain, no real idea, except shit for brains and a desire to feel important? Hard to come up with any rational reasons.
    The rest of Europe wasn't really keen on this sort of development as far as I can tell, but also wasn't willing or able to do anything to prevent it.

    Replies: @AP, @Gerard1234, @Mikel

    You truly are being stupid and perverse

    because the mass deportations during the Stalin era were really pretty horrible, and when Russians don’t acknowledge that at all or even justify it, it’s evidence of a pretty sick colonialist mentality

    1. The deportations were entirely justified, from a security and practical point of view. Fascist scum threatening the security of the state (the new state created after the Soviets replaced the fascist police state in 1940, then replaced the fascist Nazi controlled state in 44) . Deportation did not equal a death sentence, and there was very practical, essential reasons for sending people there to mine, build, farm, manufacture etc to help our war effort, our post-war effort, and paying the gold mined to the western creditors – they were also a very small number of them from the Baltics compared to other Russians or citizens of the RSSR, but its because Baltic population so low which then makes the percentage number bigger

    2. Khrushchev era deStalinisation policies make your entire point on deportations completely irrelevant for the last 60 years. With it came apologies, resettlement, amnesties for those who worked in Nazi-administered councils – even combatant sickos serving in Waffen SS etc and post WW2 militias(N.B Stalin abolished death penalty – so they should thank him for allowing , unfairly, 10’s of 1000s of these scum to live)

    3. The entirely justified and beautiful deportations of the Baltics was preceded and succeeded by Baltics helping to eliminate the sizeable number of Jews on these territories and the Soviet expulsion of the Baltics slaveowners (the Germans)

    4. Who get apologies for the arrests and murders done by all 3 of the Baltic police states in the late 20’s/throughout the 1930s?

    5. Russians in Baltics ( OK, point no so applicable for Litva) voted to eliminate the Soviet socialist Republic, and so create the “Independent” 3 Baltic states.

    and given that asymmetry one might expect more magnanimity from the Russian side.

    An aimless, zero content, nothing statement.
    The relative non-reaction to naming streets after Chechen terrorists like Dudayev is more than enough magnanimity. As is supporting their low tourism industry over the years going to Talinn, Riga etc

    I’m closer now to a “Both sides are pretty terrible” view.

    Then you are just intellectually lazy.

    Given the arrogant attitude towards your people regularly shown by the Russian commenters like Gerard or AnonfromTN (or “Russophiles” like Beckow) that would be understandable, especially given the historical background.

    LOL.
    Also I would say there is no “historical background” for their behaviour. Just some pygmy-retard complex. LatW mentioned some nonsense about the Soviets “banning” Jani day ( big national holiday/Summer solstice in Latvia)……..but Russians in Latvia , VERY enthusiastically celebrated that holiday during time of USSR, and I have seen plenty family photos involving Jani day celebration. Except New Year, that was the biggest thing the Russians over there celebrated.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Gerard1234

    I doubt that I would ever be able to open your heart or to calm your heart down, but I want to share something with you - a beautiful song about the sons of Svarog, a song that I've enjoyed for many years (especially the voice). I want to let you know - that no matter what, even if everything falls apart, whatever happens, in my heart, I will always love the Rus' people. Do not forget our forefathers. Please share this song with your grandchildren. May the light of Svarog shine forever.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YSdxlHRZFM

  722. @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    You missed my whole point, whether or not the average Ivan in Saratov was more critical of Putler than of the average one in Moscow or Peter
     
    Putin is less popular in Moscow than in the provinces. It's a little bit like with the Iraq war for the USA: more popular in the places where people got killed fighting in it, than in places where people didn't do that (New York). Though Moscow is not as nearly anti-war as New York City was. Still, there are plenty of openly anti-war people in Moscow.

    Moscow is treated well so that it does not feel desperate and will not engage in a revolt that could threaten its good life. The capital might not like Putin as much as do the provinces, but it is kept happy and content enough not to take to the streets to remove him. Yanukovich's fate is what happens when the capital despises the leader, gets desperate, and is willing to fight to oust him.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    So Putler is less popular in the big urban centers than in the outlying areas, even though the body bags are increasing more in the later than in the former areas. Interesting. Thanks for finally straightening me out on this.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    It's to be expected. In the modern world, urban people tend to be more cosmopolitan and less patriotic, unless directly threatened.*

    As a result, despite being much more affected by the war, rural or provincial places in Russia tend to support it more than do Moscow or Peter, for patriotic reasons (and also because the soldier salaries are far more meaningful in poor places than they are in relatively rich Moscow).


    *Ukraine is a bit exceptional - Kiev is very patriotic. The atrocities committed by Russia in Kiev's suburbs only strengthened Kiev's nationalistic zeal and hostility to Russia.

  723. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    Max Fleischer
     
    He is credited with inventing the rotoscope, which is something that I am a big fan of - though the technique is digital today.

    There is something beautiful about tracing the line of a skilled dancer or musician, or a wild animal in motion. The time and expense and difficulty of the work, by nature makes it an ambitious one, and I always admire ambition.

    Another thing that I greatly admire in Japanese animation is very closely related: the appreciation for real places, especially those with character, or what I would call kami. They location scout to find these places, and then trace them.


    Here’s is one of Max Fleischer’s early masterpieces,
     
    Perhaps, it is a case of pearls before swine, but I have a very strong prejudice against anthropomorphism, as I have previously mentioned to Aaron.

    I wouldn't say it is completely total, as I can appreciate things with animals that display some essentialism, like a cat that chases a a mouse, but for instance, I strongly dislike Mickey, though his enemy Pete is technically supposed to be a cat, as he just too weird. (Has a pet dog.). Though I can tolerate Scrooge and Donald, as they seem somewhat duckish to me, and Scrooge being greedy or diving into gold is a good gag. (And they are tied to their duck nephews so there is a family element)

    But in general, I think animal characters in cartoons lack essentialism. I dislike how they are depicted living in a strange society of different species seemingly for no good reason. And I also feel like it is a disservice to children, who I think should be more enmeshed in culture.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I have a very strong prejudice against anthropomorphism,

    Do you own any pets? If you do, don’t you ever talk to them like you might to another human being? I do to my three feral cats all of the time. Sure it’ silly but somehow I, like probably millions of other human beings, also talk to their pets. If they don’t, they’ve probably taken it one step further and somehow telepathically communicate with their pets. How in the world do you think that my father was able to get the neighborhood squirrel to come to him and climb on his body without harming him? 🙂

    I dislike how they are depicted living in a strange society of different species seemingly for no good reason.

    These are probably primeval ideas that go way back into pre-history and to biblical times. The Noah’s arc story, I think has captured the imagination of many people, believers and unbelievers alike. Here we have the classic case of different animal species all living harmoniously and for good reason together in one large community.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    Do you own any pets? If you do, don’t you ever talk to them like you might to another human being?
     
    I've owned many pets, but have only talked to dogs in the way that one talks to dogs. I think they understand and appreciate tone, even if they don't understand all the words. Once a dog looked to me, and I felt quite sure he was wanting verbal guidance - I told him that the stream was off-limits, as the current was too strong.

    How in the world do you think that my father was able to get the neighborhood squirrel to come to him and climb on his body without harming him?

     

    I assumed alien technology, like with the potato stasis field.

    These are probably primeval ideas that go way back into pre-history and to biblical times.
     
    Stories with animals with some human characteristics are probably pretty old, but what is new is the way that people and especially kids have been deracinated. This is one aspect of pop culture which I don't see as positive.

    Generally, I think stories with people are better, and I would extend this to cartoons.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    Here we have the classic case of different animal species all living harmoniously and for good reason together in one large community.
     
    For me the squirrels always appear to give any species of bird, the cats, rabbit, dogs first preference over anything - even when they get close to another animal there is always the clear sense they are conceding dominance.

    Impressive that your father managed to get the squirrel to climb on him, on command. Where I am, I can get them to stand in expectation of feeding, but they won't take it directly from hand. If I am inside, and they are just outside the window, then there is a better chance of them taking it from the hand, or at least getcloser to it.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  724. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    I sense this video is related to the Karlin story arc.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    It could be. The “mixed race” parade of newlyweds didn’t go unnoticed by me either. Although my own “tuxedo cat” is the most surly of of my three, it would probably appeal most to Karlin. 🙂
    The “tuxedo cats” are wildly popular with their owners. Could be a symbol of progressivism amongst proponents of mixed race marriage? I own a pure grey tabby cat too, and another with grey, white and a little red coloring too, the true blue international cat. 🙂

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Mr. Hack

    That is a handsome cat.

    But there are strong reasons I think AK would dislike it's appearence and why it can't be seen as a symbol of progressive mixed marriages.

    The first is that the tuxedo or dinner-jacket itself is a typical symbol of the pre-1945 European ruling class and its formal wear customs. The colouring on its feet also makes it look like it is wearing spats, another reference to the attire of this class during the 1920s and 30s.

    Black and white colouring also references two colours of the Imperial German, later NS national flag, if the cat was given a red collar or bandanna it could be a clear reference.

    The black and white colour combination reminds us of the make up worn by black and white minstrel bands and orchestras.

    I think these are reasons AK would not like to behold cats with this colouring, they are a bit of a reactionary dog-whistle to those in the know.

  725. @QCIC
    @songbird

    I once read of an old star map (painting?) in Japan which has unexpected information of some sort. Are you familiar with this one?

    Replies: @songbird

    The Kitora tomb chart? It looks a lot more complicated, but I am hard-pressed to say what the interesting or unique feature of it is.

    https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/kitora-tomb-star-chart-declared-oldest-world-003449

    This is possibly an earlier record of a supernova than the Italian one, but it doesn’t contain any constellations only two “suns”. Seems quite primitive, and that might be too big a leap in logic.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/10/two-suns-no-its-a-supernova-drawn-6000-years-ago-say-indian-scientists

    Though the Italian one is possibly tenuous as well. Doesn’t really seem obvious that there is a way to confirm it.

    • Thanks: QCIC
  726. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    I have a very strong prejudice against anthropomorphism,
     
    Do you own any pets? If you do, don't you ever talk to them like you might to another human being? I do to my three feral cats all of the time. Sure it' silly but somehow I, like probably millions of other human beings, also talk to their pets. If they don't, they've probably taken it one step further and somehow telepathically communicate with their pets. How in the world do you think that my father was able to get the neighborhood squirrel to come to him and climb on his body without harming him? :-)

    I dislike how they are depicted living in a strange society of different species seemingly for no good reason.
     
    These are probably primeval ideas that go way back into pre-history and to biblical times. The Noah's arc story, I think has captured the imagination of many people, believers and unbelievers alike. Here we have the classic case of different animal species all living harmoniously and for good reason together in one large community.

    Replies: @songbird, @Gerard1234

    Do you own any pets? If you do, don’t you ever talk to them like you might to another human being?

    I’ve owned many pets, but have only talked to dogs in the way that one talks to dogs. I think they understand and appreciate tone, even if they don’t understand all the words. Once a dog looked to me, and I felt quite sure he was wanting verbal guidance – I told him that the stream was off-limits, as the current was too strong.

    [MORE]

    How in the world do you think that my father was able to get the neighborhood squirrel to come to him and climb on his body without harming him?

    I assumed alien technology, like with the potato stasis field.

    These are probably primeval ideas that go way back into pre-history and to biblical times.

    Stories with animals with some human characteristics are probably pretty old, but what is new is the way that people and especially kids have been deracinated. This is one aspect of pop culture which I don’t see as positive.

    Generally, I think stories with people are better, and I would extend this to cartoons.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    but what is new is the way that people and especially kids have been deracinated.
     
    Deracinated or deracialized, there is a difference? Animals have never developed different races but have developed sub-species. I'm not aware of any pronounced exclusions between inter specie animals. Certainly not any discriminatory actions based on outward color markings? Tuxedo cats, that are known for their clear black/white coloring are generally cheerful and intelligent cats that seem to get along with everybody. They would undergo huge psychological problems if their color markings included negative connotations. :-)

    My favorite dogs are black labradors that have filled my mind with very warm memories, although I have met a beautiful chocolate brown one that was outstanding. I've never been in close contact with a blonde one, however,would relish the opportunity to do so.

    Replies: @songbird

  727. @German_reader
    @AP


    They could have sent 500 ATACMS missiles rather than 20 (and sent them much sooner), 500 Bradleys rather than 180, and many more Abrams.
     
    Possibly somewhat true regarding systems like Bradleys and Abrams. Efforts to supply Ukraine with shells and ammunition have probably also been deficient, it can be argued that Western states should have made much more of an effort in this regard.
    But regarding long-range missiles, no. The reason why has just been on display once again in the Ukrainian strike on Belgorod. Ukraine's leadership has made too many mistakes and frankly isn't trustworthy enough to be given such weapons.

    There is a chance that Russia would have been deterred from invading had its leaders understood what Ukraine would have been given or if even there had been a lot of ambiguity.
     
    I have a fundamental disagreement with this view since I believe increasing Western military support for Ukraine was a crucial factor in Putin's decision for the invasion. The policy of Biden's administration (as in the 2021 charter on strategic partnership with Ukraine) was apparently seen as a threatening escalation that made a preventive war necessary.
    Of course you might argue that Biden shouldn't just have taken half-measures, but immediately gone all-in, if he was set on confrontation with Russia anyway. But accusing him of "timidity" is a distortion imo.


    He consistently insists on his prewar conditions, adding Kherson and Zaporizhia on top of them, so there is nothing to negotiate, unfortunately.
     
    Well, obviously the annexations of Kherson and Zaporizhia have made the situation much worse and a negotiated settlement much more unlikely, since it's pretty much impossible for any Ukrainian government to recognize those illegitimate annexations. That much is true. There are also some Russian demands that Ukraine should never accept (like unilateral de-militarization or being forced back into Russia's Eurasian structures).
    However, if you reject any negotiations, what exactly is the desired outcome supposed to be? How is this war supposed to end? The idea of some total victory over Russia which has the Russian army being outright defeated or Russia just giving up and leaving isn't very credible.

    The most likely result will be some sort of stalemate. Sadly it may take about 100,000 or more dead people from each side. Karlin thinks 70% chance of stalemate, 15% chance of Ukrainian collapse and 15% of Russian collapse.

     

    Given his "shock and disbelief" pronouncements in 2022 I doubt Karlin's competence as a military expert (though I suppose he knows a lot about uplifted animals. I wonder if that elephant in his gay pride parade pic is supposed to be one).
    I don't believe there's a stable structural stalemate. Ukraine's position is likely to worsen over time in a war of attrition. That might be mitigated by Western support (and as I've written before, I'm not in favour of just cutting off that support; there might even be an argument for increasing it, IF there's a credible strategy to end this war that goes beyond what has been seen so far). But you can't change the underlying asymmetry. The argument about favorable loss ratios also doesn't convince me. Sure, conditions favor the defender, so at present it may be Russians who do more of the bleeding. But if Ukraine wants to re-take the occupied territories, obviously it would at some point have to go on the offensive again and suffer much higher losses.
    As for " Sadly it may take about 100,000 or more dead people from each side.", maybe. But the sunk costs could also increase Putin's determination to finish off Ukraine once and for all. I think something like this has happened already. In the first half of 2022 there may still have been a chance to end this war in a relatively positive way for Ukraine, with no major new losses of territory. That chance has already slipped away, and maybe other chances that still exist now will also be gone, if this war goes on for several years more.

    I doubt that Russia would attack Poland but if Ukraine falls the Baltics become likely a few years later, after Russia rearms. It would secure Kalinigrad and Saint Petersburg, reconstitute the territory of the USSR, “save” the ethnic Russians living there, and potentially break up NATO/prove it to be a paper tiger (if America decides not to send boys to die for Estonia).

     

    These scenarios are admittedly not impossible. But betting everything on a total defeat of Russia (which seems to be the preferred Baltic approach) is a very high-risk approach that could backfire badly.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow, @AP, @Derer

    the annexations of Kherson and Zaporizhia have made the situation much worse and a negotiated settlement much more unlikely, since it’s pretty much impossible for any Ukrainian government to recognize those illegitimate annexations. That much is true. There are also some Russian demands that Ukraine should never accept (like unilateral de-militarization or being forced back into Russia’s Eurasian structures).

    However, if you reject any negotiations, what exactly is the desired outcome supposed to be? How is this war supposed to end? The idea of some total victory over Russia which has the Russian army being outright defeated or Russia just giving up and leaving isn’t very credible.

    It is worth restating that Ukraine is physically huge. There is enough available for the sides to make a deal that no one likes, but both sides can accept.

    Ukraine spent years threatening Crimea. The need for the “land bridge” is now locked in as a Russian necessity. The current line is functional, with some tweaks, as a new border. It may be difficult for Ukraine to accept, but there is no way to roll it back.
    ___

    There is a difference between “military limits” and “demilitarization”. While Russia would prefer the later, the former is negotiable. Merkel admits intentional subterfuge on the Minsk deal, thus buying time for Kiev to arm up for Round 1.

    The only way to prevent Ukraine from starting Round 2 are sensible & enforceable “military limits”, including No NATO Ever & sharp restrictions on foreign forces. Keeping Kiev below the line where they would relaunch the conflict is key.
    ___

    One would expect Russia to make painful concessions on the economic front in return for their necessities tied to territory and military limits. The new, smaller Ukraine will want to depart Russia’s Eurasian structures for EU business relationships.

    For example, the difficulty sending grain and other goods to Germany points out Ukraine’s desire to regauge their cargo rail system to the European standard. This process will eventually make the new border a steep economic barrier for anything other than truck load commerce.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    One would expect Russia to make painful concessions on the economic front in return for their necessities tied to territory and military limits.

    At the bargaining table Russia will have to explain why they should get Zaporizhzhia Oblast when it was never majority Russian and was staunchly pro-Zelensky in the election. Putin's latest excuse for the war is "protecting Russia" with the implication that the occupied areas are pro-Russian. That excuse falls well short for Zaporizhizia. Is Putin going to argue that Ukrainian majority areas that hate him are actually Russian?

    For example, the difficulty sending grain and other goods to Germany points out Ukraine’s desire to regauge their cargo rail system to the European standard. This process will eventually make the new border a steep economic barrier for anything other than truck load commerce.

    What they'll probably do is have a mixed system which leaves a best of both worlds.

    Ukrainian grain that can easily travel east or west.

    It's also possible that it will become a moot point and they'll just sell most of it through the docks to countries like China and Egypt. China could buy Germany's current take with pocket change.

    Replies: @A123

  728. @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    It could be. The "mixed race" parade of newlyweds didn't go unnoticed by me either. Although my own "tuxedo cat" is the most surly of of my three, it would probably appeal most to Karlin. :-)

    https://www.catster.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/tuxedo-cat-resting-on-log_Bettina-Calder-Shutterstock-e1674199214413.jpg
    The "tuxedo cats" are wildly popular with their owners. Could be a symbol of progressivism amongst proponents of mixed race marriage? I own a pure grey tabby cat too, and another with grey, white and a little red coloring too, the true blue international cat. :-)

    Replies: @Coconuts

    That is a handsome cat.

    But there are strong reasons I think AK would dislike it’s appearence and why it can’t be seen as a symbol of progressive mixed marriages.

    The first is that the tuxedo or dinner-jacket itself is a typical symbol of the pre-1945 European ruling class and its formal wear customs. The colouring on its feet also makes it look like it is wearing spats, another reference to the attire of this class during the 1920s and 30s.

    Black and white colouring also references two colours of the Imperial German, later NS national flag, if the cat was given a red collar or bandanna it could be a clear reference.

    The black and white colour combination reminds us of the make up worn by black and white minstrel bands and orchestras.

    I think these are reasons AK would not like to behold cats with this colouring, they are a bit of a reactionary dog-whistle to those in the know.

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  729. @Sean
    @John Johnson


    That is false and shows you don’t understand how NATO works.
     
    I know how the world works.

    So you don’t deny the verifiable reality that Ukraine didn’t qualify?
     
    Your point is purely technical and ignores that having lost but a singe round it was open to the US to keep trying to convince the holdout members to admit Ukraine, and there were several countries that agreed including Britain. Although there is no such official position created for it, in practice the man in the White House is de facto leader of Nato and President Bush. tried to get Ukraine admitted to Nato as a full member even though previous candidates for member of Nato had had to go through a lengthy qualifying process before being put up for full membership. So there was not anything impossible about Ukraine being admitted in 2008, it just that the US was unable to get a couple of countries in line that time.
    Merkel defends 2008 decision to block Ukraine from NATO.

    France 24
    https://www.france24.com › France 24 › Live news
    4 Apr 2022 — Former German chancellor Angela Merkel on Monday defended her 2008 decision to block Ukraine from immediately joining NATO, ...
     
    In 2008 Putin narrowly escaped waking up one morning to find that Ukraine was a full member of Nato, but had to process that there was and official announcement--reiterated each year since-- that Ukraine was going at some undetermined point in the future to become a member of Nato. You own link says that along with telling Russia whether Ukraine joined was none of the Kremlins business, Bush "also said that there could be no deal with Moscow over the US administration's contentious plans to locate elements of its controversial missile defence system in eastern Europe."

    Which again leads to the question of why didn’t Russia wait until Ukraine had initiated the process.
     
    Because at any time after the 2008 announcement--agreed to by all members-- that Ukraine would someday join, American pressure could lead to Germany and France dropping their objections and Ukraine could suddenly join, and as a full member of Nato host US missile bases that compromised Russian security.

    Ukraine hasn’t qualified since 2014 because they have an unstable border. Do you acknowledge that?
     
    More legalism. A few months after Nato's 'Ukraine and Georgia' will join Nato (someday) announcement, Russia invaded Georgia and the US became less enthusiastic about trying to bring Ukraine into Nato. Six years later after internal strifem a Ukrainian government that wanted to break the remaining ties with Russia came to power and, fantastic as it seems, thought sidling up to the West would be the best way to reduce RusFed and ethnicRussian Ukrainian's proRussia influence over and interference in Ukrainian politics.

    Putin promptly annexed Crimea, undercover invaded Donbass, trounced an ineffective Ukrainian army and got what he wanted: the Ukrainian government agreed to give the Donbass, where the population included many ethnic Russians, substantial autonomy including what was in effect a built in veto against Ukraine becoming a member of Nato. Six years later it became clear to Putin that Ukraine was not going to homour the agreement whith it considered unfair, and he atempted another 2014 style operation but Ukraine was now a formidable opponent and so we are now in a full scale war in which whole cities in east Ukraine are being literally leveled and Ukrainian men decimated while Russia is being weakened economical demographically and morale-wise even as it inexorably advances is to what will be in material terms at most a rather Pyrrhic victory. Is Putin the only one to blame for all this?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Beckow, @sudden death

    Merkel on Monday defended her 2008 decision to block Ukraine from immediately joining NATO

    However those above aren’t direct Merkel or her spkeswoman words in that article, but came just from some nameless ignorant journo, who might have finishing his kindergarten years in 2008, the only thing in the article that former German head said was this:

    But Merkel in a short statement issued by her spokeswoman said she “stands by her decisions in relation to the 2008 NATO summit in Bucharest”.

    “In view of the atrocities uncovered in Bucha and other places in Ukraine, all efforts by the government and the international community to stand by Ukraine’s side and to bring an end to Russia’s barbarism and war against Ukraine have the former chancellor’s full support,” added the spokeswoman.

    To be perfectly sure, one might find the original Merkel standalone press release text, but me wasn’t able to locate it on the net quickly.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @sudden death

    Thorough, relatively recent, investigation by more or less, but considered as serious German press entity, which is not anyhow very sympathetic to neocon or EE stance, but they also make it clear that Bush&Cheney was pushing exactly for remote NATO MAP option to be granted for UA, but not for immediate full membership in 2008 spring:


    Even before German reunification in 1990, Cheney – who was U.S. secretary of defense at the time – was eyeing NATO's eastward expansion because he didn't trust the Russians. He also wanted to prevent a second superpower from ever again posing a threat to U.S. hegemony, and thus sought to pursue the enlargement of NATO, which had lost some of its importance with the end of the Cold War. It proved advantageous that Central and Eastern European countries sided reliably with the U.S. when it came to conflicts within the alliance. NATO Ambassador Nuland in Brussels had once been a member of Cheney's staff.

    Officially, the Americans insisted that Ukraine was making its own sovereign decisions on the NATO issue, but many German diplomats and politicians harbored suspicions that Washington was seeking to enlarge its own sphere of influence. When it came to the issue of MAP status, scoffed a Foreign Ministry staffer in Berlin, Ukraine was receiving "a lot of support, except from its own people."

    This impression was strengthened by a number of minor episodes. When the U.S. government learned that Prime Minister Tymoshenko was hesitant on the MAP issue, Secretary of State Rice took it upon herself to speak with her – the Germans learned from a source in the U.S. capital. Rice apparently wanted to get the Ukrainians back in line. A Merkel administration staffer says that on the Ukraine issue, the Americans were motivated by "ideology and great power aspirations." In the German guidelines for Bucharest, the first item in the list of German interests is the sentence: "Maintain a sense of proportion in expanding NATO's regional and functional role."

    It isn't clear from the historical record whether the rather artless Bush shared Cheney's viewpoint. According to contemporaries, he took a principled stance: If democratically elected governments sought MAP status, then he couldn't stand in the way. He wanted his staff to pile the pressure on America's allies. "I like it when diplomacy is tough," Fiona Hill, then a national intelligence officer, recently recalled Bush as saying in an interview with the New York Times Magazine.

    Bush and his team, however, faced a fundamental handicap in their efforts: The entire world knew that his tenure in the White House would soon be coming to an end.
     

    Also:

    With the situation growing heated, the German side would say afterwards, the impulsive Polish leader Kaczyński even sought to intimidate the German chancellor, despite her larger stature.

    But Merkel was already prepared to make compromises. A German draft explicitly stated that Ukraine and Georgia would "one day become members of NATO." Germany was not fundamentally opposed, but wanted the MAP process to be slowed down. Rice walked over to Bush. The president said he could live with that.

    But the Central and Eastern Europeans countered that "one day" actually meant never, and Merkel ultimately deleted the two words, though she also refrained from making any concrete promises. The Germans, after all, had plenty of experience with non-binding membership promises, having held Turkey's European Union bid at arm's length for decades. And thus, the upshot from Bucharest was that NATO would, at some point, welcome two new members. The foreign ministers were to deliberate again in December 2008. For the time being, the subject was closed.

     

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/ukraine-how-merkel-prevented-ukraine-s-nato-membership-a-der-spiegel-reconstruction-a-c7f03472-2a21-4e4e-b905-8e45f1fad542


    It needs to be admitted that sentence below once again might bring in some confusion, but it also was just journo impression in this point of article, not providing any direct politician quotes (at the time or later) to rely on:


    Bush, together with the Central and Eastern Europeans, was able to claim that they had achieved more than expected. Normally, a commitment to allow a country to join NATO came at the end of the accession process – and not at the beginning. Rice and others later gave the impression that Merkel, as a German, had probably not properly understood what she had written in English, namely: a clear commitment. The Germans, in turn, could claim that they had prevented the immediate accession of Ukraine and Georgia.
     

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Sean
    @sudden death

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/ukraine-how-merkel-prevented-ukraine-s-nato-membership-a-der-spiegel-reconstruction-a-c7f03472-2a21-4e4e-b905-8e45f1fad542

    Long article that makes some interesting points including that Biden was in agreement with Bush and Rice about Ukraine becoming a member of Nato . Moreover, the Ukrainians generally and even those in the government were not all that keen on joining in 2008. So some of the more extreme neoconservatives around Bush influenced him and Rice into cajoling Kiev into agreeing to it, and Biden did not see the danger, although the Trump imbroglio over Ukraine and Biden's son being given a million a year by Ukraine may have been a factor. The more fool the Ukrainians for not realising they were a pawn in someone else's power game.

  730. @AP
    @QCIC

    This quote/prediction by Martyanov is pure gold (apologies for posting it again, but it has been a year or so IIRC):


    Ukrainian military is a collection of a technological obsolete junk and operational concepts which are not suited for modern warfare. This military is drowned in corruption, drugs, alcohol and is not trained whatsoever to conduct a modern maneuverable warfare based on the Netcentric principles and involving newest state-of-the-art C4ISR. Ukraine simple has NO scientific, industrial or military capacity to have this, nor has it access to that. The only reason so called NATO military “professionals” are hanging around Yavorsky range and “advising” Ukie army is not to help but to collect all possibly so called war correlates they can, while it is still possible. LDNR forces, despite being vastly outnumbered, have access to this, which they demonstrated in Debaltsevo, Ilovaisk and many other places where this so called “battle hardened” Ukie army ran like hell. You do not understand what OODA (and its frequency) is in modern warfare but I can assure you that LDNR forces have this loop “running” in their Command and Control structures several times faster than the same is with Ukraine’s “army”. Several S-300s here and there, and few old T-64s and even 300 000 of Ukrainian personnel (a euphemism for brainwashed badly trained recruits) do not even understand what it means to have most of targeting information already distributed through tactical and operational networks of their adversary and this adversary having already fire means (ognevye sredstva) assigned to annihilate them once the order comes. This is beyond your grasp and that is why you continue to post here all kinds of Ukie shitty propaganda, like this:
    “Thanks to that, at least in terms of the human factor, it should be possible in a relatively short period of time to increase the Ukrainian army’s degree of combat readiness”

    Modern Armed Forces, and we are talking about Russia, wouldn’t even allow this so called army to see them–they will demolish all Ukrainian C4ISR first, especially C3, by stand-off weaponry and then cavalry will go in, with targets already shown and assigned on the level of company, or even platoon. Any direct involvement of Russia means one thing–the end of the junta in Kiev and disintegration of Ukraine, with LDNR forward forces rolling over Kreshatick within weeks. You can continue to reside in your delusion whatever you want but you have no idea what are you taking about. You are paid Ukie troll who spreads non-stop BS here.
     

    Replies: @Mikel, @QCIC, @Philip Owen, @Gerard1234

    Ukrainian military is a collection of a technological obsolete junk and operational concepts which are not suited for modern warfare.

    Comprehensively proven already you dipsh*t. Though understanding the sentiment behind “obsolete junk”, he would be correct if talking solely ukrop war, but all those old weapons systems/equipment are capable of causing damage or preventing damage if used with western navigation systems, western equipment, western real-time intelligence data etc.

    This military is drowned in corruption, drugs, alcohol

    Is anybody even SERIOUSLY disputing this? Of course all 3 are at very high levels in the ukrop military. As you have zero family or friends or business connections with Banderastan (note I am generous in that I would have qualified you for this if you were doing the same like other American slimeballs – who appear to have only sponsored young, good looking, single Instagram-loving Lvov-types whores to move to the US since the SMO, but of course you haven’t invited any ukrop in) then you would have no idea that every ukrop family is having complaints of at least one of these things. What Martyanov did not consider is that Drugs are used to get these psycho losers to fight in a specific way (kamikaze primarily) , with approval from higher up.

    Martyanov doesn’t mention the drugs and alchol from the western mercs/sex tourists though….or the open corruption, mass money laundering scheme that is western politicians with their actions towards 404.

    Ukraine simple has NO scientific, industrial or military capacity to have this, nor has it access to that.

    Even for an extreme bimbo like you , this is dumb. The scientific, industrial capacity is entirely western . the military capacity is entirely western/soviet legacy . And LMAO – Grom , Oplot, Stunga (Javelin and NLAW embarrassing failures I should add), Bogdan, drones, even their own APC’s. In 8, now 10 years – absurdly useless MIC.

    LDNR forces, despite being vastly outnumbered, have access to this, which they demonstrated in Debaltsevo, Ilovaisk and many other places where this so called “battle hardened” Ukie army ran like hell.

    Another indisputable fact

    Modern Armed Forces, and we are talking about Russia, wouldn’t even allow this so called army to see them–they will demolish all Ukrainian C4ISR first, especially C3, by stand-off weaponry and then cavalry will go in, with targets already shown and assigned on the level of company, or even platoon.

    As is obvious, a big part of that C4ISR, especially C3 is either completely western, located on or from western territory, or micro-managed by westerners. The cavalry did go in from Russia……and liberated , and secured access to several critical objects and liberate towns and cities. Where the most purely “Ukrainian” concentrated use of C4ISR was – surveillance and particularly human intelligence directed at the southern border with Crimea….of course failed abysmally and got annihilated. Here, Ukrainian human intelligence multi-year efforts would have been the dominant player ahead of western capabilities of course. It says alot about 404’s C4ISR capabilities they got destroyed so quickly ( and insurgent efforts in that part close to zero, LOL)

    In the process of that southern operation making the SMO a definite victory immediately, only a clinically dead but on life-support Banderastan extending their own suffering for several more years. I suppose the Nazis are trying to follow the American principle of “fake it till you make it”…..about the only “westernisation” 404 has done in 30 years, except for dressing like American police officers.

    Any direct involvement of Russia means one thing–the end of the junta in Kiev and disintegration of Ukraine, with LDNR forward forces rolling over Kreshatick within weeks.

    That statement according to Martyanov is of course accurate. LDNR did roll-over in Lugansk and Azov coast, part of Black Sea Coast you idiot. The junta is of course inept and there solely because the west pays the entire state budget, military, everything of the country – when about 2 billion dollars a year could have prevented the war they have committed more than 100 ( indirect costs probably 1500 already) times this amount to a parasitic fake state.

    As if you couldn’t be any more of a dumb retard, Martyanov is talking about a situation like the Muhajadeen against the Soviets, Israel in the wars with Egypt and Arab states you idiot – the US helping , providing weapons, some (not all) funds….not a situation like this you cretin where the entire thing at strategic, operational level and tactical level is planned, enforced by westerners, as the VSU pussys are micromanaged by them. Embarassingly for the west, 404 – Russia using a very small force managed to operate successfully on 3 fronts and secure many key objectives…….with a fraction of the number for a whole country…….that the Nazis used for entire cities, even towns. Though western front deserves praise for bravery, skill etc……..the facts are that not a single city or town had a serious battle (100000 fighting on either side) as the Nazis allowed them to take it…..but the Nazi scum while surrendering to them, fought the Soviets for every brick in nearly every city

    Sovok boomers, mediocre graduates with mediocre Soviet-era careers. Martyanov failed at life, ending up in the USA and working as some kind of high school math tutor.

    An amusing lie and projection of what you WANT to be true, as you are a sociopathic wackjob with huge problems, not the actual truth. I think under the other numerous sockpuppet accounts on numerous different Russian (english-language of course) sites from yourself – there is the same recycled lying garbage written at similar great people like Martyanov.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234

    Thanks for confirming you are a dumb, gullible Sovok boomer like Martyanov. A loser who isn't even in Russia anymore.


    think under the other numerous sockpuppet accounts on numerous different Russian (english-language of course) sites from yourself
     
    The only places I am active online are here and on twitter, and I am not very active there (I mostly just check for war updates though I read what a few people like Karlin have to say). I had once written on Motyl's blog but then it disappeared. That's where I met Mr. Hack.

    Speaking of projection, if you "find" "me" in various other places you are the one spending a lot of time online. How pathetic and desperate you must be to try to stalk me and see "me" all over the internet.
    , @LondonBob
    @Gerard1234

    Russians took Mariupol and the land bridge to Crimea in no time, strangely forgotten.

    , @Philip Owen
    @Gerard1234

    Gerard making things up again.

  731. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    Do you own any pets? If you do, don’t you ever talk to them like you might to another human being?
     
    I've owned many pets, but have only talked to dogs in the way that one talks to dogs. I think they understand and appreciate tone, even if they don't understand all the words. Once a dog looked to me, and I felt quite sure he was wanting verbal guidance - I told him that the stream was off-limits, as the current was too strong.

    How in the world do you think that my father was able to get the neighborhood squirrel to come to him and climb on his body without harming him?

     

    I assumed alien technology, like with the potato stasis field.

    These are probably primeval ideas that go way back into pre-history and to biblical times.
     
    Stories with animals with some human characteristics are probably pretty old, but what is new is the way that people and especially kids have been deracinated. This is one aspect of pop culture which I don't see as positive.

    Generally, I think stories with people are better, and I would extend this to cartoons.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    but what is new is the way that people and especially kids have been deracinated.

    Deracinated or deracialized, there is a difference? Animals have never developed different races but have developed sub-species. I’m not aware of any pronounced exclusions between inter specie animals. Certainly not any discriminatory actions based on outward color markings? Tuxedo cats, that are known for their clear black/white coloring are generally cheerful and intelligent cats that seem to get along with everybody. They would undergo huge psychological problems if their color markings included negative connotations. 🙂

    My favorite dogs are black labradors that have filled my mind with very warm memories, although I have met a beautiful chocolate brown one that was outstanding. I’ve never been in close contact with a blonde one, however,would relish the opportunity to do so.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    Certainly not any discriminatory actions based on outward color markings?
     
    Domesticated fowl imprint on their broodmates. In practice, this means that they often form color-based gangs.

    Tuxedo cats, that are known for their clear black/white coloring are generally cheerful and intelligent cats that seem to get along with everybody
     
    I refuse to believe that this cat, no matter how hungry or desperate, jumped into Chelsea Clinton's arms.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socks_(cat)

    I’ve never been in close contact with a blonde one, however,would relish the opportunity to do so.
     
    I like goldadors, but I would like to see a national project to improve joints and eyesight and other issues in old age.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack

  732. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    So Putler is less popular in the big urban centers than in the outlying areas, even though the body bags are increasing more in the later than in the former areas. Interesting. Thanks for finally straightening me out on this.

    Replies: @AP

    It’s to be expected. In the modern world, urban people tend to be more cosmopolitan and less patriotic, unless directly threatened.*

    As a result, despite being much more affected by the war, rural or provincial places in Russia tend to support it more than do Moscow or Peter, for patriotic reasons (and also because the soldier salaries are far more meaningful in poor places than they are in relatively rich Moscow).

    *Ukraine is a bit exceptional – Kiev is very patriotic. The atrocities committed by Russia in Kiev’s suburbs only strengthened Kiev’s nationalistic zeal and hostility to Russia.

  733. @AP
    @Beckow


    Burning to death 49 Russians in Odessa and the Ukie bombing of Donbas that killed 3,000 civilians
     
    Note that these lies have been explained to you many times and you keep repeating them.

    Of the 49 total deaths in Odesa the first one was a pro-Ukrainian person shot to death by pro-Russians. Russians started it, and it didn’t end well for them.

    Of the ~3,000 civilians killed in the Donbas war 2022-2022 about 20% were killed by pro-Russian forces. The deadliest single attack was a Russian rebel rocket attack on Kiev-controlled Mariupol.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2015_Mariupol_rocket_attack

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    Note that these lies have been explained to you many times and you keep repeating them.

    Of the 49 total deaths in Odesa the first one was a pro-Ukrainian person shot to death by pro-Russians. Russians started it, and it didn’t end well for them.

    That is of course a total lie, you regurgitating ukronazi freaks from twitter probably. I suppose its only slightly less pathetic then the standard ukrop modus operandi on english language networks…….plaigirising Israeli slogans related to defence as their own, and even more embarrassingly……….plaigirising American-Jew cultural statements about themselves or positive jokes about their culture…as “Ukrainian”. LMAO. Never seen anything more pitiful – BS like replacing the “Jewish mothers and their kids” etc with “Ukrainian mother”

    Of the ~3,000 civilians killed in the Donbas war 2022-2022 about 20% were killed by pro-Russian forces. The deadliest single attack was a Russian rebel rocket attack on Kiev-controlled Mariupol.

    That of course, isn’t true, and only refers the 20% only refers to casualties in the period between Minsk 2 and SMO……..and of course its making the bizarre assumption that deaths on ukronazi controlled territory in the pre-SMO period are not from ukronazi fire. LDNR heroes save civilians…….so yes, 404 is responsible for 3000 civilians deaths. Even in the western propaganda OCSE, they make clear that firing onto LDNR territory was disproportionaly higher than onto ukrop territory – at all times of this conflict since 2014 you idiot. The most disproportionate was in the weeks before the SMO.

    The deadliest single attack was a Russian rebel rocket attack on Kiev-controlled Mariupol.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2015_Mariupol_rocket_attack

    That is of course a total lie that Russia did it. Another psyop done to connect LDNR taking territory with mass murder, when actually done by Banderites.
    Whats more discredited as BS? Wikipedia quoting you, or you quoting wikipedia?

    I would add that EVERY TIME Russia gain territory the ukronazis fire revenge strikes on town/city they just eliminated from and on retreat ( and not being fired at in retreat), or do some false-flag in other area ( the crossing point of Zaporizhye territories shocking strike)

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Gerard1234

    When your side is losing it is tempting to start fighting dirty, Kiev has done that from the beginning - probably on the advice of their Anglo "friends". They will do more dirty fighting before this is over.

    The problem with fighting dirty is that you have to win. It becomes a downward spiral, the losses lead to more dirty desperate fighting and that makes the other side even less willing to compromise. See Germany for the example of what happens when you go all-in to fight dirty and then lose.

    But they have "Biden" to blame for any defeat (see AP above) - the senile old man who slept through most of it will be the excuse...'if he had given more and earlier'... As if it will make any difference.

  734. @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234


    You are a true patriot, showing me a beautiful photo with the great Russian Imperial double-headed Eagle all across the Bell Tower! WTF were you thinking?
     
    I never even noticed the double eagle on the belltower of the St. Sophia cathedral. and wasn't at all concerned about its presence. Thanks to your exceptional eyesight (the symbols are slightly blurred in the photo, at least to me), however, we can now discuss this interesting symbolic appearance. With just a few clicks of my mouse, I was able to find a very good scholarly article that deals specifically with this issue: "THE DOUBLE-HEADED EAGLE IN THE STUCCO MOLDING OF THE BELL TOWER AND THE HOLY GATE OF ST. SOPHIA OF KYIV"

    I thought that this appearance was a bit strange, as most of us all know, huge amounts of funds were donated by Hetman Ivan Mazepa towards the restoration of this cathedral (in addition to 18 other
    church restoration projects and the construction of 12 new churches during his reign), and that he had a serious falling out with the Russian emperor. Here's a much better photo of what we're discussing for anybody else here interested in the topic:

    https://st-sophia.org.ua/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/1.Dzvinitsya-I-yarus-1024x683-2.jpg

    I'll let the author of this article, Dr. Natalia Nikitenko explain in her own words how and why this occurred:


    First of all, I would like to note that the above-mentioned St. Sophia shrines were created during the heyday of the Ukrainian Cossack state – the Hetmanate, and both the above mentioned figures were outstanding personalities of our history and culture, Ukrainian patriots, generous donors who built the national state and the Church. In addition, at the beginning of the 18th century, when the Bell Tower was built, Mazepa’s relations with the Russian Tsar Peter I became sharply worse, so the Hetman, who soon rose up against him, could not glorify the predatory Russian Tsar here. In fact, the hetman, who evidently saw the image of the double-headed eagle on Ukrainian monuments as historical symbols of national sovereignty, glorified the Ukrainian state and himself as its leader. It is not for nothing that his banner from the hetman’s capital Baturyn, which is kept in the Kharkiv Historical Museum, features a double-headed eagle – a symbol of his power, reminiscent of St. Sophia phenomena.
     
    The double eagle symbol was used throughout the areas associated with Byzantine culture. Here's a photo of Mazepa's personal banner that also included this symbolism:

    https://st-sophia.org.ua/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/3.-Prapor-Mazepi-rekonstruktsiya.jpeg

    Much more depth is offered within the complete article:
    https://st-sophia.org.ua/en/monuments-reveal-from-scientific-works-of-employees/the-double-headed-eagle-in-the-stucco-molding-of-the-bell-tower-and-the-holy-gate-of-st-sophia-of-kyiv/

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Gerard1234

    Will answer this another time. Much cretinism to reply to my good friend Mr Hack! Like the sun rising in the morning, a contemporary ukrop “historian” writing anti-historical vomit is a certainty.

    I will ask though – what are your favourite monuments/building/place of culture etc that you have visited in Ukraine ?( group them into Tsarist/Soviet/Hapsburg places) ……and do the same for the place I think you mentioned before you came from (Bukovina) without the Tsarist category obviously. Also place of nature.

    Anyway……
    С Рождеством!!

  735. In the latest Karlin data dump he links a Yarvin post. The Yarvin post is worth reading in full. It is not well written so it takes more time than it should to communicate the message. It’s a valuable and accurate message when you machete hack your way through it.

    https://graymirror.substack.com/p/you-can-only-lose-the-culture-war

  736. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    Just give me one explanation as to why Putin would be unable to keep Ukraine out of NATO by keeping the border contested.
     
    You're wasting your time with sudden death, Johnny. He's one of the most recalcitrant Putin admirers here. He may deny it when he comes back but we all know him very well after so many years.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Got me here, but will not deny I was always rootin for Pootin to rule forever in RF;)

    …mugabization of putinism is the best and most desired thing that could happen. They will waste more and more resources on just containing current political status quo, economical and technological development will not be extinct, but remain sluggish, there will be more talented people such as Durov leaving. One only could wish Pugabe to stay in power till hundred years of age.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-85/#comment-3371657

  737. @German_reader
    @AP


    They could have sent 500 ATACMS missiles rather than 20 (and sent them much sooner), 500 Bradleys rather than 180, and many more Abrams.
     
    Possibly somewhat true regarding systems like Bradleys and Abrams. Efforts to supply Ukraine with shells and ammunition have probably also been deficient, it can be argued that Western states should have made much more of an effort in this regard.
    But regarding long-range missiles, no. The reason why has just been on display once again in the Ukrainian strike on Belgorod. Ukraine's leadership has made too many mistakes and frankly isn't trustworthy enough to be given such weapons.

    There is a chance that Russia would have been deterred from invading had its leaders understood what Ukraine would have been given or if even there had been a lot of ambiguity.
     
    I have a fundamental disagreement with this view since I believe increasing Western military support for Ukraine was a crucial factor in Putin's decision for the invasion. The policy of Biden's administration (as in the 2021 charter on strategic partnership with Ukraine) was apparently seen as a threatening escalation that made a preventive war necessary.
    Of course you might argue that Biden shouldn't just have taken half-measures, but immediately gone all-in, if he was set on confrontation with Russia anyway. But accusing him of "timidity" is a distortion imo.


    He consistently insists on his prewar conditions, adding Kherson and Zaporizhia on top of them, so there is nothing to negotiate, unfortunately.
     
    Well, obviously the annexations of Kherson and Zaporizhia have made the situation much worse and a negotiated settlement much more unlikely, since it's pretty much impossible for any Ukrainian government to recognize those illegitimate annexations. That much is true. There are also some Russian demands that Ukraine should never accept (like unilateral de-militarization or being forced back into Russia's Eurasian structures).
    However, if you reject any negotiations, what exactly is the desired outcome supposed to be? How is this war supposed to end? The idea of some total victory over Russia which has the Russian army being outright defeated or Russia just giving up and leaving isn't very credible.

    The most likely result will be some sort of stalemate. Sadly it may take about 100,000 or more dead people from each side. Karlin thinks 70% chance of stalemate, 15% chance of Ukrainian collapse and 15% of Russian collapse.

     

    Given his "shock and disbelief" pronouncements in 2022 I doubt Karlin's competence as a military expert (though I suppose he knows a lot about uplifted animals. I wonder if that elephant in his gay pride parade pic is supposed to be one).
    I don't believe there's a stable structural stalemate. Ukraine's position is likely to worsen over time in a war of attrition. That might be mitigated by Western support (and as I've written before, I'm not in favour of just cutting off that support; there might even be an argument for increasing it, IF there's a credible strategy to end this war that goes beyond what has been seen so far). But you can't change the underlying asymmetry. The argument about favorable loss ratios also doesn't convince me. Sure, conditions favor the defender, so at present it may be Russians who do more of the bleeding. But if Ukraine wants to re-take the occupied territories, obviously it would at some point have to go on the offensive again and suffer much higher losses.
    As for " Sadly it may take about 100,000 or more dead people from each side.", maybe. But the sunk costs could also increase Putin's determination to finish off Ukraine once and for all. I think something like this has happened already. In the first half of 2022 there may still have been a chance to end this war in a relatively positive way for Ukraine, with no major new losses of territory. That chance has already slipped away, and maybe other chances that still exist now will also be gone, if this war goes on for several years more.

    I doubt that Russia would attack Poland but if Ukraine falls the Baltics become likely a few years later, after Russia rearms. It would secure Kalinigrad and Saint Petersburg, reconstitute the territory of the USSR, “save” the ethnic Russians living there, and potentially break up NATO/prove it to be a paper tiger (if America decides not to send boys to die for Estonia).

     

    These scenarios are admittedly not impossible. But betting everything on a total defeat of Russia (which seems to be the preferred Baltic approach) is a very high-risk approach that could backfire badly.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow, @AP, @Derer

    …the annexations of Kherson and Zaporizhia have made the situation much worse and a negotiated settlement much more unlikely

    That was valid in the past, but we are in 2024. How would Russia agree to give up what it holds if Kiev is using any proxmity to the Russian areas to bomb them? Azov corridor protects Crimea – so Ukraine is either fully demilitarized (=conquered) or there is a large buffer – the logic of Kiev bombing Russian areas.

    People poring over maps are technicians – they don’t care if it is just. Understandably, Kiev can’t negotiate it – and Nato is still obsessed with keeping Crimea from Russia and will not agree. We got here with the bad Western decisions and the inability to think stuff through, to anticipate (high IQ is the ability to anticipate).

    How is this war supposed to end?

    Beats me, it is a total clusterf..k, there is no clean solution. It will not be a stalemate as AP hopes, that would require a stasis – there is no stasis with assymetry in forces and total conflict in goals. Russia is simply stronger and the objectives can’t be reconciled. The war will go to the bitter end – either Ukraine collapses or Russia. Or we go to nukes.

    When the Gordian knot is cut through everything will suddenly change – new reality and only regrets for the losers. That’s where it is heading: weak, rump Ukraine, partially depopulated, destroyed economy, lots of guns and infighting. Maybe based in Kiev, but possibly further west. South-east controlled by Russia, annexed or not is a technicality. Nobody will recognize anything anyway – Merkel personally made sure that no “treaties” will exist for years – it is on her conscience. One should never openly lie in diplomacy.

    Unless it goes to the nukes the rest of us will be fine. Russia will be busy recovering and absorbing the mess. They may jokingly threaten the Balts, but why would they bother w the mini-states? Unless Nato starts it, they will stay as a festering wound on the Baltic.

    What was it good for? We had a balance, peace, Kiev neutrality, trade was growing, But the neo-cons wanted Crimea and a dagger against Russia, Ukies were drunk on atavistic nationalism, and Euros (=Germans) turn out not to actually exist. On a positive note, it has been quite entertaining.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Beckow

    Yes, if by 'entertaining' you mean disgusting and alarming.

    This is a nice phrase: Ukies were drunk on atavistic nationalism.

    , @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Unless it goes to the nukes the rest of us will be fine. Russia will be busy recovering and absorbing the mess. They may jokingly threaten the Balts, but why would they bother w the mini-states? Unless Nato starts it, they will stay as a festering wound on the Baltic.

    A festering wound on the Baltics? What does this mean?

    Tiny Estonia has a nearly +10k GDP per capita advantage over Russia.

    Even though Russia has vast untapped natural resources the Estonians simply live better. I doubt you could find a single Estonian using an outhouse. In some rural Russian areas it is the norm.

    Estonia is a tiny 1.4 million pop country that makes a mockery of the idea that Russians needed an angry dwarf to lead them out of the USSR.

    The Russian obsession over the Baltics reminds me of China and Taiwan. A constant reminder that the revolution was a complete waste of time and the leadership of the empire isn't needed. BUT YOU NEED OUR GUIDING HAND!!!!!

    And we all know that the dwarf would have forced the "invisible hand of empire fisting" if not for NATO protection. Russia's TV goons are in numerous youtube videos where they are clearly emotionally agitated over the Baltics. What a bunch of losers. Angry that a couple small countries don't want the fine leadership of the dwarf and his genius war that is now on day 682 of 2.5 weeks.

    Replies: @Beckow

  738. AP says:
    @German_reader
    @AP


    They could have sent 500 ATACMS missiles rather than 20 (and sent them much sooner), 500 Bradleys rather than 180, and many more Abrams.
     
    Possibly somewhat true regarding systems like Bradleys and Abrams. Efforts to supply Ukraine with shells and ammunition have probably also been deficient, it can be argued that Western states should have made much more of an effort in this regard.
    But regarding long-range missiles, no. The reason why has just been on display once again in the Ukrainian strike on Belgorod. Ukraine's leadership has made too many mistakes and frankly isn't trustworthy enough to be given such weapons.

    There is a chance that Russia would have been deterred from invading had its leaders understood what Ukraine would have been given or if even there had been a lot of ambiguity.
     
    I have a fundamental disagreement with this view since I believe increasing Western military support for Ukraine was a crucial factor in Putin's decision for the invasion. The policy of Biden's administration (as in the 2021 charter on strategic partnership with Ukraine) was apparently seen as a threatening escalation that made a preventive war necessary.
    Of course you might argue that Biden shouldn't just have taken half-measures, but immediately gone all-in, if he was set on confrontation with Russia anyway. But accusing him of "timidity" is a distortion imo.


    He consistently insists on his prewar conditions, adding Kherson and Zaporizhia on top of them, so there is nothing to negotiate, unfortunately.
     
    Well, obviously the annexations of Kherson and Zaporizhia have made the situation much worse and a negotiated settlement much more unlikely, since it's pretty much impossible for any Ukrainian government to recognize those illegitimate annexations. That much is true. There are also some Russian demands that Ukraine should never accept (like unilateral de-militarization or being forced back into Russia's Eurasian structures).
    However, if you reject any negotiations, what exactly is the desired outcome supposed to be? How is this war supposed to end? The idea of some total victory over Russia which has the Russian army being outright defeated or Russia just giving up and leaving isn't very credible.

    The most likely result will be some sort of stalemate. Sadly it may take about 100,000 or more dead people from each side. Karlin thinks 70% chance of stalemate, 15% chance of Ukrainian collapse and 15% of Russian collapse.

     

    Given his "shock and disbelief" pronouncements in 2022 I doubt Karlin's competence as a military expert (though I suppose he knows a lot about uplifted animals. I wonder if that elephant in his gay pride parade pic is supposed to be one).
    I don't believe there's a stable structural stalemate. Ukraine's position is likely to worsen over time in a war of attrition. That might be mitigated by Western support (and as I've written before, I'm not in favour of just cutting off that support; there might even be an argument for increasing it, IF there's a credible strategy to end this war that goes beyond what has been seen so far). But you can't change the underlying asymmetry. The argument about favorable loss ratios also doesn't convince me. Sure, conditions favor the defender, so at present it may be Russians who do more of the bleeding. But if Ukraine wants to re-take the occupied territories, obviously it would at some point have to go on the offensive again and suffer much higher losses.
    As for " Sadly it may take about 100,000 or more dead people from each side.", maybe. But the sunk costs could also increase Putin's determination to finish off Ukraine once and for all. I think something like this has happened already. In the first half of 2022 there may still have been a chance to end this war in a relatively positive way for Ukraine, with no major new losses of territory. That chance has already slipped away, and maybe other chances that still exist now will also be gone, if this war goes on for several years more.

    I doubt that Russia would attack Poland but if Ukraine falls the Baltics become likely a few years later, after Russia rearms. It would secure Kalinigrad and Saint Petersburg, reconstitute the territory of the USSR, “save” the ethnic Russians living there, and potentially break up NATO/prove it to be a paper tiger (if America decides not to send boys to die for Estonia).

     

    These scenarios are admittedly not impossible. But betting everything on a total defeat of Russia (which seems to be the preferred Baltic approach) is a very high-risk approach that could backfire badly.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow, @AP, @Derer

    Possibly somewhat true regarding systems like Bradleys and Abrams. Efforts to supply Ukraine with shells and ammunition have probably also been deficient, it can be argued that Western states should have made much more of an effort in this regard.

    If Ukraine has hundreds of Western tanks and Bradleys much sooner (if Biden had started shipping them and training Ukrainians right away) the southern offensvie might have been conducted earlier and in more strength.

    But regarding long-range missiles, no. The reason why has just been on display once again in the Ukrainian strike on Belgorod.

    Most of the civilian damage there was caused by Russian rockets (same thing for a lot of the damage in Ukraine). Belgorod is a legitimate target – prior to the Ukrainian attack on it, it had launched a lot of rockets into Kharkiv. It is also a logistics hub and hosts a factory making electronics for Russian weapons.

    Forcing Russia to defend Belgorod by not having it off-limits can also make things easier for Ukraine within Ukrainian territory.

    There is a chance that Russia would have been deterred from invading had its leaders understood what Ukraine would have been given or if even there had been a lot of ambiguity.

    I have a fundamental disagreement with this view since I believe increasing Western military support for Ukraine was a crucial factor in Putin’s decision for the invasion

    Putin attacked because he felt Ukraine was weak and wouldn’t fight back (and wouldn’t be given substantial military assistance), while also understanding that Ukraine would permanently and inevitably move out of Russia’s orbit if it were not invaded and regime-changed. If Ukraine had been seen as being stronger and more formidable, Putin would not have attacked. If Ukraine had a pro-Russian government or if it were hobbled by a Donbas that would have vetoed Westward moves (Minsk deal implemented as Russia interpreted it), he also would not have attacked.

    Supplying Ukraine better pre-2021 and making clear just how much Ukraine would be helped it were to be attacked would have eliminated the first factor. Remember in late 2021 to earl 2022 Ukraine just got a couple hundred javelin missiles and a dozen Bayraktars – not much. And the Biden administration was saying that they wouldn’t give rockets (they later did provide Himars), that they would not supply jets, etc. etc. They mostly only just threatened sanctions. Coupled with the botched Afghan retreat and it looked like the coast was clear for Russia.

    Of course you might argue that Biden shouldn’t just have taken half-measures, but immediately gone all-in, if he was set on confrontation with Russia anyway.

    The half-measures or quarter-measures didn’t deter Russia, on the contrary they encouraged an attack. Conspiracy theories are usually something for fools but if there was a conspiracy it was to get Putin to stupidly fall into a trap in Ukraine: make it looks like it would be easy, there would only be sanctions as consequences, Ukrainians won’t fight much anyways, but then get stuck in a massive war where your military gets degraded.

    To be clear, I don’t think this was a deliberate trap. I think Biden’s administration really is simply timid, while also being unwilling to simply capitulate, so they do half-measures and help enough to prevent Ukraine from collapsing while also being too scared to help too much.

    Given his “shock and disbelief” pronouncements in 2022 I doubt Karlin’s competence as a military expert

    That was extremely mistaken but he has been solid since then.

    Well, obviously the annexations of Kherson and Zaporizhia have made the situation much worse and a negotiated settlement much more unlikely, since it’s pretty much impossible for any Ukrainian government to recognize those illegitimate annexations. That much is true. There are also some Russian demands that Ukraine should never accept (like unilateral de-militarization or being forced back into Russia’s Eurasian structures).

    And so there is no one to negotiate with for the near term, as long as these conditions remain. Also Ukrainian public opinion is strongly against making such massive concessions.

    However, if you reject any negotiations, what exactly is the desired outcome supposed to be? How is this war supposed to end?

    Enough Russian losses with no prospects of total victory to convince Russia to give up its more extreme demands (this can be done with ongoing or better stepped-up military aid), combined with carrots/sticks for Ukrainians (fast track EU and massive aid probably out of Russian frozen funds in exchange for peace and acceptance of permanent loss of Crimea and Donbas , cutting off military aid otherwise) could foster negotiations in the future.

    I don’t believe there’s a stable structural stalemate.

    The lines are stable and well-fortified. Neither side is capable of major breakthroughs. Both sides have large numbers of forces, capable of dragging this out for years.

    The argument about favorable loss ratios also doesn’t convince me. Sure, conditions favor the defender, so at present it may be Russians who do more of the bleeding. But if Ukraine wants to re-take the occupied territories, obviously it would at some point have to go on the offensive again and suffer much higher losses.

    Their strategy seems to be to bleed Russia until long enough to make a later offensive viable without massive casualties, to hollow out Russian forces, destroy more tanks and helicopters than they can produce, etc. This would require a favorable casualty ratio for a long time. Russia is helping with its meat wave attacks in Avdiivka. The West can help more, by supplying more and better missiles.

    But you can’t change the underlying asymmetry

    There are two asymmetries. Russia has a much larger population and industrial base than Ukraine. but Ukrainians are fighting for their homes, Russians are not. Vietnamese and Afghans took far more casualties than their invaders, but they outlasted them eventually. And the Western industrial base collectively dwarfs that of Russia. If the West has the will to provide more, it will take a much smaller of fraction of the West’s efforts to swamp Russia’s efforts.

    These scenarios are admittedly not impossible

    If Ukraine were to fall there would be a high (maybe around 30% chance) of something like this happening in a few years after Russia rebuilds its military: Russia starts making ultimatums to the Baltics – perhaps an autonomous zone in Narva, port access to Riga, territorial concessions linking Kalinigrad to Belarus. If the Baltics do not cave in, an invasion. NATO might do nothing beyond something symbolic. This would cause it to break. Poland would aid the Baltics. Would NATO then really help Poland? If so it will be a wider war.

    Better to not take chances and to give the Ukrainians what they need to stop Russia now and put an end to this nonsense. This is a bit like 1938. Putin is not Hitler, history is rhyming rather than repeating, but there are clear parallels.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AP


    If Ukraine has hundreds of Western tanks and Bradleys much sooner (if Biden had started shipping them and training Ukrainians right away) the southern offensvie might have been conducted earlier and in more strength.
     
    You also need trained crews to operate such vehicles. And using them effectively for a combined arms offensive is on yet another level than basic competence at just driving them around.

    Most of the civilian damage there was caused by Russian rockets
     
    Maybe, maybe not. In any case I have no desire to read a news story that a German missile has killed dozens of Russian civilians in a strike on RF territory. And given Ukraine's past record of insane actions (like killing Dugin's daughter, sending those Russian neo-Nazis over the border, and, at least according to the semi-official Western narrative, blowing up Nordstream), I don't trust Ukraine's military and political leadership at all in avoiding something like that. They might even deliberately do it in the hope to bring about some sort of escalation increasing Western involvement in the war.

    That was extremely mistaken but he has been solid since then.
     
    Have you read his recent manifesto?

    combined with carrots/sticks for Ukrainians (fast track EU and massive aid probably out of Russian frozen funds in exchange for peace and acceptance of permanent loss of Crimea and Donbas , cutting off military aid otherwise) could foster negotiations in the future.
     
    Even apart from the political issues, there's no money for Ukrainian EU membership. Beckow is quite right in his cynical assessment of this. Who's going to pay for it? The Polish "brothers"? Good luck with that.
    There certainly should be a perspective of some sort of association with the EU for Ukraine, but fast-track full membership, that's just a fantasy.
    I also disagree about the seizure of Russia's frozen assets, imo that kind of escalatory move would be almost certain to be counter-productive for any negotiations. And to put it brutally, your priorities here are all wrong...the West needs to incentivize Russia to end the war...whereas there's much less need to offer any incentives to Ukraine, since the threat of cutting off Western support would already provide plenty of leverage.

    Vietnamese and Afghans took far more casualties than their invaders, but they outlasted them eventually. And the Western industrial base collectively dwarfs that of Russia. If the West has the will to provide more
     
    The West doesn't have the political will to go on a war economy footing for the sake of Ukraine, that much is already clear.
    As for Vietnam and Afghanistan, they didn't have Ukraine's terrible demographics, they had plenty of spare sons to waste. Their wars also just weren't comparable with Ukraine, the US (and the Soviets in the Afghan case, which wasn't really that important for the break-up of the Soviet Union) could just walk away from them without too much lasting damage to their reputation and power. Whereas the war with Ukraine is certainly seen as an existential issue by Putin and presumably most of the Russian security establishment.

    Better to not take chances and to give the Ukrainians what they need to stop Russia now and put an end to this nonsense.
     
    I don't think Ukraine would be able to "stop Russia" (in the sense of evicting Russia from all the occupied territory) under any conditions that are realistically possible. I just don't see how this is supposed to work.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

    , @Beckow
    @AP

    In your argument there is a strategic line winding through the middle - you kind of have a plan: give up Crimea-Donbas, "bleed" Russia, EU gives all they have, arms and more arms...

    But there is a fundamental problem with your "plan": it doesn't match what Washington neo-cons want. So even if you could convince Kiev to agree and Brussels would go along as they always do, your plan goes against what the neo-cons must have - and they call the shots.

    The neo-cons don't give a flying f..k about which thief runs Kiev or what languages are allowed, whether Ukies can study for free in Europe and their grain flood the German discount supermarkets - all of that are only means to their one goal: take on Russia, wrestle the control of Crimea, trigger a "regime change" in Moscow...and the resources, always the resources that the Gods so unjustly gave to Russia....

    The Washington neo-cons are in it for bigger things, they are after all the very important people who run the world, they staff the endless Euro "countries" with well-trained officials, decide who has what rights, what can be published, even who can run for office and who is an insurgent (for god's sake what is this Trump ban, have they gone completely mental?) Above all they control the "money", its creation and distribution. For now.

    They will not let go of Crimea and the faint hope that Kiev can be the dagger to stab Russia - so your plans will not be adopted. And there lies the Ukie tragedy: they will bleed their country to nothingness for unrealizable goals and will not even be given the permission to settle for less. (Come to think of it, are the neo-cons actually working for Moscow?)

  739. @Gerard1234
    @AP


    Ukrainian military is a collection of a technological obsolete junk and operational concepts which are not suited for modern warfare.
     
    Comprehensively proven already you dipsh*t. Though understanding the sentiment behind "obsolete junk", he would be correct if talking solely ukrop war, but all those old weapons systems/equipment are capable of causing damage or preventing damage if used with western navigation systems, western equipment, western real-time intelligence data etc.

    This military is drowned in corruption, drugs, alcohol
     
    Is anybody even SERIOUSLY disputing this? Of course all 3 are at very high levels in the ukrop military. As you have zero family or friends or business connections with Banderastan (note I am generous in that I would have qualified you for this if you were doing the same like other American slimeballs - who appear to have only sponsored young, good looking, single Instagram-loving Lvov-types whores to move to the US since the SMO, but of course you haven't invited any ukrop in) then you would have no idea that every ukrop family is having complaints of at least one of these things. What Martyanov did not consider is that Drugs are used to get these psycho losers to fight in a specific way (kamikaze primarily) , with approval from higher up.

    Martyanov doesn't mention the drugs and alchol from the western mercs/sex tourists though....or the open corruption, mass money laundering scheme that is western politicians with their actions towards 404.

    Ukraine simple has NO scientific, industrial or military capacity to have this, nor has it access to that.
     
    Even for an extreme bimbo like you , this is dumb. The scientific, industrial capacity is entirely western . the military capacity is entirely western/soviet legacy . And LMAO - Grom , Oplot, Stunga (Javelin and NLAW embarrassing failures I should add), Bogdan, drones, even their own APC's. In 8, now 10 years - absurdly useless MIC.

    LDNR forces, despite being vastly outnumbered, have access to this, which they demonstrated in Debaltsevo, Ilovaisk and many other places where this so called “battle hardened” Ukie army ran like hell.
     
    Another indisputable fact

    Modern Armed Forces, and we are talking about Russia, wouldn’t even allow this so called army to see them–they will demolish all Ukrainian C4ISR first, especially C3, by stand-off weaponry and then cavalry will go in, with targets already shown and assigned on the level of company, or even platoon.
     
    As is obvious, a big part of that C4ISR, especially C3 is either completely western, located on or from western territory, or micro-managed by westerners. The cavalry did go in from Russia......and liberated , and secured access to several critical objects and liberate towns and cities. Where the most purely "Ukrainian" concentrated use of C4ISR was - surveillance and particularly human intelligence directed at the southern border with Crimea....of course failed abysmally and got annihilated. Here, Ukrainian human intelligence multi-year efforts would have been the dominant player ahead of western capabilities of course. It says alot about 404's C4ISR capabilities they got destroyed so quickly ( and insurgent efforts in that part close to zero, LOL)

    In the process of that southern operation making the SMO a definite victory immediately, only a clinically dead but on life-support Banderastan extending their own suffering for several more years. I suppose the Nazis are trying to follow the American principle of "fake it till you make it".....about the only "westernisation" 404 has done in 30 years, except for dressing like American police officers.

    Any direct involvement of Russia means one thing–the end of the junta in Kiev and disintegration of Ukraine, with LDNR forward forces rolling over Kreshatick within weeks.

     

    That statement according to Martyanov is of course accurate. LDNR did roll-over in Lugansk and Azov coast, part of Black Sea Coast you idiot. The junta is of course inept and there solely because the west pays the entire state budget, military, everything of the country - when about 2 billion dollars a year could have prevented the war they have committed more than 100 ( indirect costs probably 1500 already) times this amount to a parasitic fake state.

    As if you couldn't be any more of a dumb retard, Martyanov is talking about a situation like the Muhajadeen against the Soviets, Israel in the wars with Egypt and Arab states you idiot - the US helping , providing weapons, some (not all) funds....not a situation like this you cretin where the entire thing at strategic, operational level and tactical level is planned, enforced by westerners, as the VSU pussys are micromanaged by them. Embarassingly for the west, 404 - Russia using a very small force managed to operate successfully on 3 fronts and secure many key objectives.......with a fraction of the number for a whole country.......that the Nazis used for entire cities, even towns. Though western front deserves praise for bravery, skill etc........the facts are that not a single city or town had a serious battle (100000 fighting on either side) as the Nazis allowed them to take it.....but the Nazi scum while surrendering to them, fought the Soviets for every brick in nearly every city

    Sovok boomers, mediocre graduates with mediocre Soviet-era careers. Martyanov failed at life, ending up in the USA and working as some kind of high school math tutor.
     
    An amusing lie and projection of what you WANT to be true, as you are a sociopathic wackjob with huge problems, not the actual truth. I think under the other numerous sockpuppet accounts on numerous different Russian (english-language of course) sites from yourself - there is the same recycled lying garbage written at similar great people like Martyanov.

    Replies: @AP, @LondonBob, @Philip Owen

    Thanks for confirming you are a dumb, gullible Sovok boomer like Martyanov. A loser who isn’t even in Russia anymore.

    think under the other numerous sockpuppet accounts on numerous different Russian (english-language of course) sites from yourself

    The only places I am active online are here and on twitter, and I am not very active there (I mostly just check for war updates though I read what a few people like Karlin have to say). I had once written on Motyl’s blog but then it disappeared. That’s where I met Mr. Hack.

    Speaking of projection, if you “find” “me” in various other places you are the one spending a lot of time online. How pathetic and desperate you must be to try to stalk me and see “me” all over the internet.

  740. @Mikhail
    The Aussie Cossack Show - Russian Christmas Eve Special!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBhq9eitxdc

    Replies: @Matra

    Imagine leaving Russia and Syria, your native country, then spending all your time in your new country advocating for the shithole country you were desperate to get away from. Once again we see that non-Europeans have radically different values from us. (Needless to say Ukrainians have the same Eurasian mentality).

  741. @Gerard1234
    @AP


    Note that these lies have been explained to you many times and you keep repeating them.

    Of the 49 total deaths in Odesa the first one was a pro-Ukrainian person shot to death by pro-Russians. Russians started it, and it didn’t end well for them.
     
    That is of course a total lie, you regurgitating ukronazi freaks from twitter probably. I suppose its only slightly less pathetic then the standard ukrop modus operandi on english language networks.......plaigirising Israeli slogans related to defence as their own, and even more embarrassingly..........plaigirising American-Jew cultural statements about themselves or positive jokes about their culture...as "Ukrainian". LMAO. Never seen anything more pitiful - BS like replacing the "Jewish mothers and their kids" etc with "Ukrainian mother"

    Of the ~3,000 civilians killed in the Donbas war 2022-2022 about 20% were killed by pro-Russian forces. The deadliest single attack was a Russian rebel rocket attack on Kiev-controlled Mariupol.
     
    That of course, isn't true, and only refers the 20% only refers to casualties in the period between Minsk 2 and SMO........and of course its making the bizarre assumption that deaths on ukronazi controlled territory in the pre-SMO period are not from ukronazi fire. LDNR heroes save civilians.......so yes, 404 is responsible for 3000 civilians deaths. Even in the western propaganda OCSE, they make clear that firing onto LDNR territory was disproportionaly higher than onto ukrop territory - at all times of this conflict since 2014 you idiot. The most disproportionate was in the weeks before the SMO.

    The deadliest single attack was a Russian rebel rocket attack on Kiev-controlled Mariupol.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2015_Mariupol_rocket_attack
     
    That is of course a total lie that Russia did it. Another psyop done to connect LDNR taking territory with mass murder, when actually done by Banderites.
    Whats more discredited as BS? Wikipedia quoting you, or you quoting wikipedia?

    I would add that EVERY TIME Russia gain territory the ukronazis fire revenge strikes on town/city they just eliminated from and on retreat ( and not being fired at in retreat), or do some false-flag in other area ( the crossing point of Zaporizhye territories shocking strike)

    Replies: @Beckow

    When your side is losing it is tempting to start fighting dirty, Kiev has done that from the beginning – probably on the advice of their Anglo “friends”. They will do more dirty fighting before this is over.

    The problem with fighting dirty is that you have to win. It becomes a downward spiral, the losses lead to more dirty desperate fighting and that makes the other side even less willing to compromise. See Germany for the example of what happens when you go all-in to fight dirty and then lose.

    But they have “Biden” to blame for any defeat (see AP above) – the senile old man who slept through most of it will be the excuse…’if he had given more and earlier’… As if it will make any difference.

  742. @QCIC
    @AP

    This fun quote doesn't change my comment about plankton. I have enjoyed reading posts and articles by Karlin and Martyanov and benefited from their arguments. I don't expect either to be right all the time or even most of the time. I will continue to read if they remain informative or thought provoking.

    I don't think military commenters such as the ones you deride can fully recognize the Russian plan for the SMO. The explanation I have previously offered seems to fill in some of the gaps. This reality is very war-like, i.e. a brutal scenario which would never be acknowledged by the Russian government.

    I have always been in a middle camp as far as Russian military-industrial capability is concerned. I understand they have the scientific and technological base to develop important new systems while recognizing they have monumental difficulties bringing many projects to large scale production. They recently received the 50th Su-57 fighter aircraft. This is arguably the most advanced fighter in the world which suggests the Russian military is not helpless. Nonetheless, I'm sure their air force would like to have an additional 200 of these planes.

    Replies: @Matra

    I have enjoyed reading posts and articles by Karlin and Martyanov and benefited from their arguments

    Months before the war Martyanov was laughing off not just Ukraine’s military but all of NATO, saying – with great confidence I might add – that its armies would be wiped out in days against invincible Russia. Last time I checked in on him, around autumn 2022 when Russia was abandoning territory it has formally annexed days or weeks before, he was talking as though the war – sorry, Special Military Operation – was all going according to plan. These Sovoks live in such a self-contained separate world it’s easy to see why they lost the Cold War.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Matra

    People like Martyanov present useful information on the relevant history from a military and geopolitical perspective. They also give details on some of the machinery of warfare, not just the hardware but also discussion of some of the thought processes. Martyanov's early description of the SMO as a "combined-arms police action" has held up well. I doubt people can make sense of the combat in Ukraine without considering his meaning. If he wrote nothing else, this is still enormously helpful.

    Referring to Ritter, Macgregor and Martyanov, these men have written books which brought some important ideas to a broader audience. That is good enough for me. What you learn from reading their work is up to you.

    They are alarmed that the West is cavalierly tempting the fates with WW3 and nuclear war. I think this agitation at times causes them to lose some perspective on what is actually happening.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  743. @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...the annexations of Kherson and Zaporizhia have made the situation much worse and a negotiated settlement much more unlikely
     
    That was valid in the past, but we are in 2024. How would Russia agree to give up what it holds if Kiev is using any proxmity to the Russian areas to bomb them? Azov corridor protects Crimea - so Ukraine is either fully demilitarized (=conquered) or there is a large buffer - the logic of Kiev bombing Russian areas.

    People poring over maps are technicians - they don't care if it is just. Understandably, Kiev can't negotiate it - and Nato is still obsessed with keeping Crimea from Russia and will not agree. We got here with the bad Western decisions and the inability to think stuff through, to anticipate (high IQ is the ability to anticipate).


    How is this war supposed to end?
     
    Beats me, it is a total clusterf..k, there is no clean solution. It will not be a stalemate as AP hopes, that would require a stasis - there is no stasis with assymetry in forces and total conflict in goals. Russia is simply stronger and the objectives can't be reconciled. The war will go to the bitter end - either Ukraine collapses or Russia. Or we go to nukes.

    When the Gordian knot is cut through everything will suddenly change - new reality and only regrets for the losers. That's where it is heading: weak, rump Ukraine, partially depopulated, destroyed economy, lots of guns and infighting. Maybe based in Kiev, but possibly further west. South-east controlled by Russia, annexed or not is a technicality. Nobody will recognize anything anyway - Merkel personally made sure that no "treaties" will exist for years - it is on her conscience. One should never openly lie in diplomacy.

    Unless it goes to the nukes the rest of us will be fine. Russia will be busy recovering and absorbing the mess. They may jokingly threaten the Balts, but why would they bother w the mini-states? Unless Nato starts it, they will stay as a festering wound on the Baltic.

    What was it good for? We had a balance, peace, Kiev neutrality, trade was growing, But the neo-cons wanted Crimea and a dagger against Russia, Ukies were drunk on atavistic nationalism, and Euros (=Germans) turn out not to actually exist. On a positive note, it has been quite entertaining.

    Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson

    Yes, if by ‘entertaining’ you mean disgusting and alarming.

    This is a nice phrase: Ukies were drunk on atavistic nationalism.

  744. @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...the annexations of Kherson and Zaporizhia have made the situation much worse and a negotiated settlement much more unlikely
     
    That was valid in the past, but we are in 2024. How would Russia agree to give up what it holds if Kiev is using any proxmity to the Russian areas to bomb them? Azov corridor protects Crimea - so Ukraine is either fully demilitarized (=conquered) or there is a large buffer - the logic of Kiev bombing Russian areas.

    People poring over maps are technicians - they don't care if it is just. Understandably, Kiev can't negotiate it - and Nato is still obsessed with keeping Crimea from Russia and will not agree. We got here with the bad Western decisions and the inability to think stuff through, to anticipate (high IQ is the ability to anticipate).


    How is this war supposed to end?
     
    Beats me, it is a total clusterf..k, there is no clean solution. It will not be a stalemate as AP hopes, that would require a stasis - there is no stasis with assymetry in forces and total conflict in goals. Russia is simply stronger and the objectives can't be reconciled. The war will go to the bitter end - either Ukraine collapses or Russia. Or we go to nukes.

    When the Gordian knot is cut through everything will suddenly change - new reality and only regrets for the losers. That's where it is heading: weak, rump Ukraine, partially depopulated, destroyed economy, lots of guns and infighting. Maybe based in Kiev, but possibly further west. South-east controlled by Russia, annexed or not is a technicality. Nobody will recognize anything anyway - Merkel personally made sure that no "treaties" will exist for years - it is on her conscience. One should never openly lie in diplomacy.

    Unless it goes to the nukes the rest of us will be fine. Russia will be busy recovering and absorbing the mess. They may jokingly threaten the Balts, but why would they bother w the mini-states? Unless Nato starts it, they will stay as a festering wound on the Baltic.

    What was it good for? We had a balance, peace, Kiev neutrality, trade was growing, But the neo-cons wanted Crimea and a dagger against Russia, Ukies were drunk on atavistic nationalism, and Euros (=Germans) turn out not to actually exist. On a positive note, it has been quite entertaining.

    Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson

    Unless it goes to the nukes the rest of us will be fine. Russia will be busy recovering and absorbing the mess. They may jokingly threaten the Balts, but why would they bother w the mini-states? Unless Nato starts it, they will stay as a festering wound on the Baltic.

    A festering wound on the Baltics? What does this mean?

    Tiny Estonia has a nearly +10k GDP per capita advantage over Russia.

    Even though Russia has vast untapped natural resources the Estonians simply live better. I doubt you could find a single Estonian using an outhouse. In some rural Russian areas it is the norm.

    Estonia is a tiny 1.4 million pop country that makes a mockery of the idea that Russians needed an angry dwarf to lead them out of the USSR.

    The Russian obsession over the Baltics reminds me of China and Taiwan. A constant reminder that the revolution was a complete waste of time and the leadership of the empire isn’t needed. BUT YOU NEED OUR GUIDING HAND!!!!!

    And we all know that the dwarf would have forced the “invisible hand of empire fisting” if not for NATO protection. Russia’s TV goons are in numerous youtube videos where they are clearly emotionally agitated over the Baltics. What a bunch of losers. Angry that a couple small countries don’t want the fine leadership of the dwarf and his genius war that is now on day 682 of 2.5 weeks.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You are just angry...is it the coming loss in Ukraine? Calm down.

    Estonia is tiny, Smaller countries in good geographies usually have higher living standards - it works like that most of the time: Singapore-Malaysia, Panama-Colombia, Norway and UK, Switzerland and Germany...Estonia also had higher living standard in Soviet Union.

    Moscow and St. Petersburg and focused and small enough to have higher living standard than Estonia or Riga. London is also richer, and Prague is better than the countryside.. What's your point? Are you just foaming with helpless anger?


    festering wound on the Baltics...what does it mean?
     
    It means tiny countries with collapsing population, no domestic industry, isolated from their natural trade partners where all those untapped resources are, mass emigration to EU, economy based on EU aid and services - the drunk Swedes and Finns...and more...

    It is a sad collapse of what could have been and it is not going to get better. Latvia is heading to 1 million people in two generations - it was 2.6 million under the dreaded Soviets, Estonia is barely a country anymore: Finns on binge drinking trips, Russians everywhere that they pretend don't exist, abandoned countryside...

    Yes, it is a festering wound of misplaced reading of history (mostly lying like LatW) - pride combined with weakness. And the ever-present servility to the Western "betters" who don't really give a sh..t. Now possibly even ground zero in any WW3...

    Replies: @John Johnson

  745. German_reader says:
    @AP
    @German_reader


    Possibly somewhat true regarding systems like Bradleys and Abrams. Efforts to supply Ukraine with shells and ammunition have probably also been deficient, it can be argued that Western states should have made much more of an effort in this regard.
     
    If Ukraine has hundreds of Western tanks and Bradleys much sooner (if Biden had started shipping them and training Ukrainians right away) the southern offensvie might have been conducted earlier and in more strength.

    But regarding long-range missiles, no. The reason why has just been on display once again in the Ukrainian strike on Belgorod.
     
    Most of the civilian damage there was caused by Russian rockets (same thing for a lot of the damage in Ukraine). Belgorod is a legitimate target - prior to the Ukrainian attack on it, it had launched a lot of rockets into Kharkiv. It is also a logistics hub and hosts a factory making electronics for Russian weapons.

    Forcing Russia to defend Belgorod by not having it off-limits can also make things easier for Ukraine within Ukrainian territory.

    There is a chance that Russia would have been deterred from invading had its leaders understood what Ukraine would have been given or if even there had been a lot of ambiguity.


    I have a fundamental disagreement with this view since I believe increasing Western military support for Ukraine was a crucial factor in Putin’s decision for the invasion
     
    Putin attacked because he felt Ukraine was weak and wouldn't fight back (and wouldn't be given substantial military assistance), while also understanding that Ukraine would permanently and inevitably move out of Russia's orbit if it were not invaded and regime-changed. If Ukraine had been seen as being stronger and more formidable, Putin would not have attacked. If Ukraine had a pro-Russian government or if it were hobbled by a Donbas that would have vetoed Westward moves (Minsk deal implemented as Russia interpreted it), he also would not have attacked.

    Supplying Ukraine better pre-2021 and making clear just how much Ukraine would be helped it were to be attacked would have eliminated the first factor. Remember in late 2021 to earl 2022 Ukraine just got a couple hundred javelin missiles and a dozen Bayraktars - not much. And the Biden administration was saying that they wouldn't give rockets (they later did provide Himars), that they would not supply jets, etc. etc. They mostly only just threatened sanctions. Coupled with the botched Afghan retreat and it looked like the coast was clear for Russia.

    Of course you might argue that Biden shouldn’t just have taken half-measures, but immediately gone all-in, if he was set on confrontation with Russia anyway.
     
    The half-measures or quarter-measures didn't deter Russia, on the contrary they encouraged an attack. Conspiracy theories are usually something for fools but if there was a conspiracy it was to get Putin to stupidly fall into a trap in Ukraine: make it looks like it would be easy, there would only be sanctions as consequences, Ukrainians won't fight much anyways, but then get stuck in a massive war where your military gets degraded.

    To be clear, I don't think this was a deliberate trap. I think Biden's administration really is simply timid, while also being unwilling to simply capitulate, so they do half-measures and help enough to prevent Ukraine from collapsing while also being too scared to help too much.

    Given his “shock and disbelief” pronouncements in 2022 I doubt Karlin’s competence as a military expert
     
    That was extremely mistaken but he has been solid since then.

    Well, obviously the annexations of Kherson and Zaporizhia have made the situation much worse and a negotiated settlement much more unlikely, since it’s pretty much impossible for any Ukrainian government to recognize those illegitimate annexations. That much is true. There are also some Russian demands that Ukraine should never accept (like unilateral de-militarization or being forced back into Russia’s Eurasian structures).
     
    And so there is no one to negotiate with for the near term, as long as these conditions remain. Also Ukrainian public opinion is strongly against making such massive concessions.

    However, if you reject any negotiations, what exactly is the desired outcome supposed to be? How is this war supposed to end?
     
    Enough Russian losses with no prospects of total victory to convince Russia to give up its more extreme demands (this can be done with ongoing or better stepped-up military aid), combined with carrots/sticks for Ukrainians (fast track EU and massive aid probably out of Russian frozen funds in exchange for peace and acceptance of permanent loss of Crimea and Donbas , cutting off military aid otherwise) could foster negotiations in the future.

    I don’t believe there’s a stable structural stalemate.
     
    The lines are stable and well-fortified. Neither side is capable of major breakthroughs. Both sides have large numbers of forces, capable of dragging this out for years.

    The argument about favorable loss ratios also doesn’t convince me. Sure, conditions favor the defender, so at present it may be Russians who do more of the bleeding. But if Ukraine wants to re-take the occupied territories, obviously it would at some point have to go on the offensive again and suffer much higher losses.
     
    Their strategy seems to be to bleed Russia until long enough to make a later offensive viable without massive casualties, to hollow out Russian forces, destroy more tanks and helicopters than they can produce, etc. This would require a favorable casualty ratio for a long time. Russia is helping with its meat wave attacks in Avdiivka. The West can help more, by supplying more and better missiles.

    But you can’t change the underlying asymmetry
     
    There are two asymmetries. Russia has a much larger population and industrial base than Ukraine. but Ukrainians are fighting for their homes, Russians are not. Vietnamese and Afghans took far more casualties than their invaders, but they outlasted them eventually. And the Western industrial base collectively dwarfs that of Russia. If the West has the will to provide more, it will take a much smaller of fraction of the West's efforts to swamp Russia's efforts.

    These scenarios are admittedly not impossible
     
    If Ukraine were to fall there would be a high (maybe around 30% chance) of something like this happening in a few years after Russia rebuilds its military: Russia starts making ultimatums to the Baltics - perhaps an autonomous zone in Narva, port access to Riga, territorial concessions linking Kalinigrad to Belarus. If the Baltics do not cave in, an invasion. NATO might do nothing beyond something symbolic. This would cause it to break. Poland would aid the Baltics. Would NATO then really help Poland? If so it will be a wider war.

    Better to not take chances and to give the Ukrainians what they need to stop Russia now and put an end to this nonsense. This is a bit like 1938. Putin is not Hitler, history is rhyming rather than repeating, but there are clear parallels.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Beckow

    If Ukraine has hundreds of Western tanks and Bradleys much sooner (if Biden had started shipping them and training Ukrainians right away) the southern offensvie might have been conducted earlier and in more strength.

    You also need trained crews to operate such vehicles. And using them effectively for a combined arms offensive is on yet another level than basic competence at just driving them around.

    Most of the civilian damage there was caused by Russian rockets

    Maybe, maybe not. In any case I have no desire to read a news story that a German missile has killed dozens of Russian civilians in a strike on RF territory. And given Ukraine’s past record of insane actions (like killing Dugin’s daughter, sending those Russian neo-Nazis over the border, and, at least according to the semi-official Western narrative, blowing up Nordstream), I don’t trust Ukraine’s military and political leadership at all in avoiding something like that. They might even deliberately do it in the hope to bring about some sort of escalation increasing Western involvement in the war.

    That was extremely mistaken but he has been solid since then.

    Have you read his recent manifesto?

    combined with carrots/sticks for Ukrainians (fast track EU and massive aid probably out of Russian frozen funds in exchange for peace and acceptance of permanent loss of Crimea and Donbas , cutting off military aid otherwise) could foster negotiations in the future.

    Even apart from the political issues, there’s no money for Ukrainian EU membership. Beckow is quite right in his cynical assessment of this. Who’s going to pay for it? The Polish “brothers”? Good luck with that.
    There certainly should be a perspective of some sort of association with the EU for Ukraine, but fast-track full membership, that’s just a fantasy.
    I also disagree about the seizure of Russia’s frozen assets, imo that kind of escalatory move would be almost certain to be counter-productive for any negotiations. And to put it brutally, your priorities here are all wrong…the West needs to incentivize Russia to end the war…whereas there’s much less need to offer any incentives to Ukraine, since the threat of cutting off Western support would already provide plenty of leverage.

    Vietnamese and Afghans took far more casualties than their invaders, but they outlasted them eventually. And the Western industrial base collectively dwarfs that of Russia. If the West has the will to provide more

    The West doesn’t have the political will to go on a war economy footing for the sake of Ukraine, that much is already clear.
    As for Vietnam and Afghanistan, they didn’t have Ukraine’s terrible demographics, they had plenty of spare sons to waste. Their wars also just weren’t comparable with Ukraine, the US (and the Soviets in the Afghan case, which wasn’t really that important for the break-up of the Soviet Union) could just walk away from them without too much lasting damage to their reputation and power. Whereas the war with Ukraine is certainly seen as an existential issue by Putin and presumably most of the Russian security establishment.

    Better to not take chances and to give the Ukrainians what they need to stop Russia now and put an end to this nonsense.

    I don’t think Ukraine would be able to “stop Russia” (in the sense of evicting Russia from all the occupied territory) under any conditions that are realistically possible. I just don’t see how this is supposed to work.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @German_reader

    I don’t think Ukraine would be able to “stop Russia” (in the sense of evicting Russia from all the occupied territory) under any conditions that are realistically possible. I just don’t see how this is supposed to work.

    It's possible through demoralization of Russian conscripts. Political pressure forces an end to the war or change in leadership.

    Russia is currently running into the dregs problem. The more you conscript the fewer patriots you find that believe in the war. That means more men willing to surrender, escape, rebel, etc.

    Both Germany and Russia ran into this problem in WW1.

    Germans that didn't see the point in dying for Belgium or French territory when they knew that the Allies would allow a democratic Germany to remain. Russians that didn't see the point in dying for empire when there was no reason to believe the war could be won. In both cases the men at the front could clearly see that the dictator had underestimated the enemy. Why trust him at this point?

    Wars are fought with the assumption that troops will always go forward into battle. When they start pushing back it really causes problem. That aren't nearly as effective as the professional troops used at the start of the war or the patriotic conscripts that accepted it as their duty. You start conscripting the men that had avoided the war they will start colluding. Not just with each other but the enemy.

    , @AP
    @German_reader


    If Ukraine has hundreds of Western tanks and Bradleys much sooner (if Biden had started shipping them and training Ukrainians right away) the southern offensvie might have been conducted earlier and in more strength.

    You also need trained crews to operate such vehicles.
     
    Ukrainians have proven themselves to be quite trainable rather quickly. This could have been easily done on a larger scale.

    And using them effectively for a combined arms offensive is on yet another level than basic competence at just driving them around.
     
    Ukraine's Kharkiv offensive was rather effective but couldn't be replicated because there weren't enough vehicles.

    Most of the civilian damage there was caused by Russian rockets

    Maybe, maybe not. In any case I have no desire to read a news story that a German missile has killed dozens of Russian civilians in a strike on RF territory
     
    Is it better to hear far more stories about Russian or North Korean missiles doing this in Ukrainian cities because Ukraine isn't given the tools to take out Russian military objects deep in Russian territory?

    And given Ukraine’s past record of insane actions (like killing Dugin’s daughter, sending those Russian neo-Nazis over the border, and, at least according to the semi-official Western narrative, blowing up Nordstream), I don’t trust Ukraine’s military and political leadership at all in avoiding something like that
     
    Ukrainians have a track record of using their Western equipment as authorized, to their own detriment. They have been doing the "crazy" stuff (which pales in comparison to the craziness of invading another country and starting a massive war in Europe, btw) on their own.

    Have you read his [Karlin] recent manifesto?
     
    I've never been interested at all in science fiction or future tech stuff so I have not even looked at those speculations. Nor at the trans stuff.

    But his writings about Russia and Ukraine and the war that I linked to were on point and accurate. Did you look at those?

    Even apart from the political issues, there’s no money for Ukrainian EU membership.
     
    It depends on how much it would take. Ukraine would not get the lavish investment that Poland got.

    I also disagree about the seizure of Russia’s frozen assets, imo that kind of escalatory move
     
    The escalation was invading and destroying a lot of another country. Being found culpable and liable for the damages is hardly escalatory or unjust. It is "unprecedented" in the sense that invading another country in Europe in the 21st century is unprecedented.

    to put it brutally, your priorities here are all wrong…the West needs to incentivize Russia to end the war…whereas there’s much less need to offer any incentives to Ukraine, since the threat of cutting off Western support would already provide plenty of leverage.
     
    Once Russia decides it has had too much death and wants a return to normality there will be incentives enough. Ending sanctions and an economic boom would help too. It may not want this now, or next year. But if Ukraine is given what it needs to inflict the losses it must, this will change.

    The West doesn’t have the political will to go on a war economy footing for the sake of Ukraine, that much is already clear
     
    The West outmatches Russia in economic output to such an extent that it would not have to go to war footing to defeat Russia, but only to Cold War footing, and even a lighter form of that.

    It may or may not have the will to do even that much, but if it does not it will pay far more in the longer term.


    As for Vietnam and Afghanistan, they didn’t have Ukraine’s terrible demographics, they had plenty of spare sons to waste.
     
    Yes, and also the discrepancy in deaths is far lower, which compensates for this difference. North Vietnam/Vietcong lost over 1 million dead compared to 60,000 Americans and around 330,000 South Vietnamese. In Afghanistan, the Soviets lost 14,000 dead and the Afghans lost 90,000 dead.

    In contrast, in this war each side has a similar number dead, with the ratio favoring Ukraine now that Russia is doing the attacking.

    Whereas the war with Ukraine is certainly seen as an existential issue by Putin and presumably most of the Russian security establishment.
     
    Is it? They may want others to think that in order to convince timid Biden to back off more. Most Russians want a negotiated settlement.

    I don’t think Ukraine would be able to “stop Russia” (in the sense of evicting Russia from all the occupied territory)
     
    Not from all occupied territories (I can't see how Ukraine would ever take urban Donbas), but if Ukraine got all the artillery ammo, F-16s, Bradleys, Abrams, ATACMS they need they would have a good chance of taking back the Crimean corridor and perhaps even Crimea itself (once the corridor and the bridge are gone, Crimea becomes isolated and invadable, a useful bargainng chip) , and preventing further Russian advances. This would be "stopping Russia." And then real negotiations could begin.
  746. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    but what is new is the way that people and especially kids have been deracinated.
     
    Deracinated or deracialized, there is a difference? Animals have never developed different races but have developed sub-species. I'm not aware of any pronounced exclusions between inter specie animals. Certainly not any discriminatory actions based on outward color markings? Tuxedo cats, that are known for their clear black/white coloring are generally cheerful and intelligent cats that seem to get along with everybody. They would undergo huge psychological problems if their color markings included negative connotations. :-)

    My favorite dogs are black labradors that have filled my mind with very warm memories, although I have met a beautiful chocolate brown one that was outstanding. I've never been in close contact with a blonde one, however,would relish the opportunity to do so.

    Replies: @songbird

    Certainly not any discriminatory actions based on outward color markings?

    Domesticated fowl imprint on their broodmates. In practice, this means that they often form color-based gangs.

    Tuxedo cats, that are known for their clear black/white coloring are generally cheerful and intelligent cats that seem to get along with everybody

    I refuse to believe that this cat, no matter how hungry or desperate, jumped into Chelsea Clinton’s arms.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socks_(cat)

    I’ve never been in close contact with a blonde one, however,would relish the opportunity to do so.

    I like goldadors, but I would like to see a national project to improve joints and eyesight and other issues in old age.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @songbird

    Socks probably did a lot of catnip :)

    , @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    I refuse to believe that this cat, no matter how hungry or desperate, jumped into Chelsea Clinton’s arms.
     
    I totally agree with you, based just on the behavior of my feral tuxedo cat. His mother and brother, who do not display the tuxedo colors, are much friendlier. My sister, owns one such tuxedo cat that was domesticated from its birth. Sweet and affectionate to all that she meets (even new people).

    Replies: @songbird

  747. @German_reader
    @Mikel


    But it’s not difficult to understand where some of the Russians’ attitude comes from either.
     
    Regarding the Baltic states, I used to think that the onus for improving relations should be mainly on Russians, because the mass deportations during the Stalin era were really pretty horrible, and when Russians don't acknowledge that at all or even justify it, it's evidence of a pretty sick colonialist mentality that is bound to arouse suspicions about their present-day intentions. There's also a power disparity here, since the Balts are such small nations, and given that asymmetry one might expect more magnanimity from the Russian side.
    To some extent I still believe that. But given the sort of proposals one has heard from a lot of Balts during the last two years, I'm closer now to a "Both sides are pretty terrible" view.

    why did Western countries actually foment those animosities and let them reach this point?
     
    I suspect you might disagree, but I'm convinced that regarding the US it's rooted in an ideologically motivated desire for global hegemony. No other power centres can be tolerated, if the world is to be made safe for liberal democracy. Of course that approach probably has had the perverse effect of actually increasing the authoritarian tendencies of regimes that are unwilling to submit to American hegemony and give up spheres of influence of their own, since anybody arguing for more liberalism and democratic reforms can easily be seen or painted as a subversive on the CIA's payroll.
    As for the Eastern Europeans, I'd say it was rooted in fears of Russian revisionism and security concerns. Understandable in a way, but imo it was misguided and probably has also had the paradoxical effect of making them less secure, given the expansion of Russia's war production and the combat experience the Russian army has gained in Ukraine.
    As for the Scandinavians and Britain, no real idea, except shit for brains and a desire to feel important? Hard to come up with any rational reasons.
    The rest of Europe wasn't really keen on this sort of development as far as I can tell, but also wasn't willing or able to do anything to prevent it.

    Replies: @AP, @Gerard1234, @Mikel

    I suspect you might disagree, but I’m convinced that regarding the US it’s rooted in an ideologically motivated desire for global hegemony.

    No, I don’t disagree with that. American exceptionalism is alive and well here. Even some of the people that are against involvement in Ukraine, like Tucker or Gaetz, keep reminding us that “China is is our real enemy”. The fact that a country in some part of the world may become an economic superpower with its own sphere of influence not controlled by the US is deeply unsettling. For some reason we can’t let that happen.

    I guess another manifestation of this American exceptionalist ideology is the grotesque attempt to build liberal democracies in the Muslim countries invaded by the US. Because how could anyone in the world not want to live in a Jeffersonian democracy brought to them by the US Army?

    However, the expansion of NATO ever closer to Moscow (including from the Caucasus!) and the support of revolutions to topple pro-Russian rulers with the idea of isolating Russia also through an expanded EU was not a US-only idea at all. All Western European countries took part in that policy. And here is where I am at a loss to understand the reasons.

    As you say, some European countries were more active than others in this more or less covert anti-Russian policy carried out over a couple of decades. Perhaps in the case of Britain there’s also an element of mini-exceptionalism. You need to think very highly of yourself to embark on that Mission Impossible charade of trying to force your way through the Kerch Strait with a single British ship against the whole Russian Fleet stationed there. I wonder how much this type of clown shows convinced Putin that a military reaction was necessary. It actually happened in the months preceding the SMO.

    But what about Sweden? Would that be a sort of micro-exceptionalism? I feel less disgust for Finland’s decision to join NATO out of spite. They can’t possibly believe that Putin is planning to turn Helsinki into another Russian oblast but at least they do have a long border with Russia and a history of struggle against Russian imperialism. Sweden has nothing of the like and they have squandered the legacy of 200 years of neutrality. Neither Hitler nor the USSR made them abandon that policy but they found Putin more intolerable than either of those. I can’t feel the slightest sympathy for the role this woke country plays in international politics.

    My best guess at why the rest of Western Europe went along with this policy of Russian encroachment is just apathy and the understanding, deep inside, that they don’t matter. In fact, I must confess that I probably felt that way myself before 2014. I didn’t think anything of NATO’s enlargement to the East when it happened. We were guaranteeing Russia’s neighbors that we were willing to get incinerated in defense of their newly acquired independence but nuclear war sounded like science-fiction in those days and you just didn’t care. I now know that Putin had started warning against it early on, when Russia had still relatively good relations with the West, but I was a regular consumer of MSM news so I don’t think I ever heard anything of any Russian opposition to those moves.

    Whatever the case, we’ve ended up in a Groucho Marx kind of Cold War that is laughable on its face. Fighting a nuclear war was always insane but confronting the worldwide expansion of Communism and defending our democratic system was a reasonable goal to run risks for. Risking civilization to make a point of who is right in the old EE disputes and where the real ethnic border in the ex-UkSSR should have been located is hopelessly stupid.

    • Replies: @Derer
    @Mikel


    with its own (China) sphere of influence not controlled by the US is deeply unsettling. For some reason we can’t let that happen.
     
    I am interested in the strategy of "we can't let that happen". I am sure that claiming victory by some fair competition with China in the market place is not the Washington players strategy. It is again, primitive warmongering and conveniently use of NATO for a collective appearance of the threat. When in fact the NATO is exclusively the US foreign policy instrument and not the members having status of useful idiots. Why were, for instance, Polish or Romanian young boys dying in Afghanistan?
  748. @AP
    @German_reader


    Possibly somewhat true regarding systems like Bradleys and Abrams. Efforts to supply Ukraine with shells and ammunition have probably also been deficient, it can be argued that Western states should have made much more of an effort in this regard.
     
    If Ukraine has hundreds of Western tanks and Bradleys much sooner (if Biden had started shipping them and training Ukrainians right away) the southern offensvie might have been conducted earlier and in more strength.

    But regarding long-range missiles, no. The reason why has just been on display once again in the Ukrainian strike on Belgorod.
     
    Most of the civilian damage there was caused by Russian rockets (same thing for a lot of the damage in Ukraine). Belgorod is a legitimate target - prior to the Ukrainian attack on it, it had launched a lot of rockets into Kharkiv. It is also a logistics hub and hosts a factory making electronics for Russian weapons.

    Forcing Russia to defend Belgorod by not having it off-limits can also make things easier for Ukraine within Ukrainian territory.

    There is a chance that Russia would have been deterred from invading had its leaders understood what Ukraine would have been given or if even there had been a lot of ambiguity.


    I have a fundamental disagreement with this view since I believe increasing Western military support for Ukraine was a crucial factor in Putin’s decision for the invasion
     
    Putin attacked because he felt Ukraine was weak and wouldn't fight back (and wouldn't be given substantial military assistance), while also understanding that Ukraine would permanently and inevitably move out of Russia's orbit if it were not invaded and regime-changed. If Ukraine had been seen as being stronger and more formidable, Putin would not have attacked. If Ukraine had a pro-Russian government or if it were hobbled by a Donbas that would have vetoed Westward moves (Minsk deal implemented as Russia interpreted it), he also would not have attacked.

    Supplying Ukraine better pre-2021 and making clear just how much Ukraine would be helped it were to be attacked would have eliminated the first factor. Remember in late 2021 to earl 2022 Ukraine just got a couple hundred javelin missiles and a dozen Bayraktars - not much. And the Biden administration was saying that they wouldn't give rockets (they later did provide Himars), that they would not supply jets, etc. etc. They mostly only just threatened sanctions. Coupled with the botched Afghan retreat and it looked like the coast was clear for Russia.

    Of course you might argue that Biden shouldn’t just have taken half-measures, but immediately gone all-in, if he was set on confrontation with Russia anyway.
     
    The half-measures or quarter-measures didn't deter Russia, on the contrary they encouraged an attack. Conspiracy theories are usually something for fools but if there was a conspiracy it was to get Putin to stupidly fall into a trap in Ukraine: make it looks like it would be easy, there would only be sanctions as consequences, Ukrainians won't fight much anyways, but then get stuck in a massive war where your military gets degraded.

    To be clear, I don't think this was a deliberate trap. I think Biden's administration really is simply timid, while also being unwilling to simply capitulate, so they do half-measures and help enough to prevent Ukraine from collapsing while also being too scared to help too much.

    Given his “shock and disbelief” pronouncements in 2022 I doubt Karlin’s competence as a military expert
     
    That was extremely mistaken but he has been solid since then.

    Well, obviously the annexations of Kherson and Zaporizhia have made the situation much worse and a negotiated settlement much more unlikely, since it’s pretty much impossible for any Ukrainian government to recognize those illegitimate annexations. That much is true. There are also some Russian demands that Ukraine should never accept (like unilateral de-militarization or being forced back into Russia’s Eurasian structures).
     
    And so there is no one to negotiate with for the near term, as long as these conditions remain. Also Ukrainian public opinion is strongly against making such massive concessions.

    However, if you reject any negotiations, what exactly is the desired outcome supposed to be? How is this war supposed to end?
     
    Enough Russian losses with no prospects of total victory to convince Russia to give up its more extreme demands (this can be done with ongoing or better stepped-up military aid), combined with carrots/sticks for Ukrainians (fast track EU and massive aid probably out of Russian frozen funds in exchange for peace and acceptance of permanent loss of Crimea and Donbas , cutting off military aid otherwise) could foster negotiations in the future.

    I don’t believe there’s a stable structural stalemate.
     
    The lines are stable and well-fortified. Neither side is capable of major breakthroughs. Both sides have large numbers of forces, capable of dragging this out for years.

    The argument about favorable loss ratios also doesn’t convince me. Sure, conditions favor the defender, so at present it may be Russians who do more of the bleeding. But if Ukraine wants to re-take the occupied territories, obviously it would at some point have to go on the offensive again and suffer much higher losses.
     
    Their strategy seems to be to bleed Russia until long enough to make a later offensive viable without massive casualties, to hollow out Russian forces, destroy more tanks and helicopters than they can produce, etc. This would require a favorable casualty ratio for a long time. Russia is helping with its meat wave attacks in Avdiivka. The West can help more, by supplying more and better missiles.

    But you can’t change the underlying asymmetry
     
    There are two asymmetries. Russia has a much larger population and industrial base than Ukraine. but Ukrainians are fighting for their homes, Russians are not. Vietnamese and Afghans took far more casualties than their invaders, but they outlasted them eventually. And the Western industrial base collectively dwarfs that of Russia. If the West has the will to provide more, it will take a much smaller of fraction of the West's efforts to swamp Russia's efforts.

    These scenarios are admittedly not impossible
     
    If Ukraine were to fall there would be a high (maybe around 30% chance) of something like this happening in a few years after Russia rebuilds its military: Russia starts making ultimatums to the Baltics - perhaps an autonomous zone in Narva, port access to Riga, territorial concessions linking Kalinigrad to Belarus. If the Baltics do not cave in, an invasion. NATO might do nothing beyond something symbolic. This would cause it to break. Poland would aid the Baltics. Would NATO then really help Poland? If so it will be a wider war.

    Better to not take chances and to give the Ukrainians what they need to stop Russia now and put an end to this nonsense. This is a bit like 1938. Putin is not Hitler, history is rhyming rather than repeating, but there are clear parallels.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Beckow

    In your argument there is a strategic line winding through the middle – you kind of have a plan: give up Crimea-Donbas, “bleed” Russia, EU gives all they have, arms and more arms…

    But there is a fundamental problem with your “plan”: it doesn’t match what Washington neo-cons want. So even if you could convince Kiev to agree and Brussels would go along as they always do, your plan goes against what the neo-cons must have – and they call the shots.

    The neo-cons don’t give a flying f..k about which thief runs Kiev or what languages are allowed, whether Ukies can study for free in Europe and their grain flood the German discount supermarkets – all of that are only means to their one goal: take on Russia, wrestle the control of Crimea, trigger a “regime change” in Moscow…and the resources, always the resources that the Gods so unjustly gave to Russia….

    The Washington neo-cons are in it for bigger things, they are after all the very important people who run the world, they staff the endless Euro “countries” with well-trained officials, decide who has what rights, what can be published, even who can run for office and who is an insurgent (for god’s sake what is this Trump ban, have they gone completely mental?) Above all they control the “money”, its creation and distribution. For now.

    They will not let go of Crimea and the faint hope that Kiev can be the dagger to stab Russia – so your plans will not be adopted. And there lies the Ukie tragedy: they will bleed their country to nothingness for unrealizable goals and will not even be given the permission to settle for less. (Come to think of it, are the neo-cons actually working for Moscow?)

  749. @Matra
    @QCIC


    I have enjoyed reading posts and articles by Karlin and Martyanov and benefited from their arguments
     
    Months before the war Martyanov was laughing off not just Ukraine's military but all of NATO, saying - with great confidence I might add - that its armies would be wiped out in days against invincible Russia. Last time I checked in on him, around autumn 2022 when Russia was abandoning territory it has formally annexed days or weeks before, he was talking as though the war - sorry, Special Military Operation - was all going according to plan. These Sovoks live in such a self-contained separate world it's easy to see why they lost the Cold War.

    Replies: @QCIC

    People like Martyanov present useful information on the relevant history from a military and geopolitical perspective. They also give details on some of the machinery of warfare, not just the hardware but also discussion of some of the thought processes. Martyanov’s early description of the SMO as a “combined-arms police action” has held up well. I doubt people can make sense of the combat in Ukraine without considering his meaning. If he wrote nothing else, this is still enormously helpful.

    Referring to Ritter, Macgregor and Martyanov, these men have written books which brought some important ideas to a broader audience. That is good enough for me. What you learn from reading their work is up to you.

    They are alarmed that the West is cavalierly tempting the fates with WW3 and nuclear war. I think this agitation at times causes them to lose some perspective on what is actually happening.

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Referring to Ritter, Macgregor and Martyanov, these men have written books which brought some important ideas to a broader audience. That is good enough for me. What you learn from reading their work is up to you.

    What do you mean that is good enough for me?

    You just ignore the fact that Ritter has negative credibility?

    He completely misread Israel/Hamas and went on some Red Dawn fantasy of Hamas winning through tunnel battles. Pop-up type hits on tanks and then they scurry away. WOLVERINES!!! He actually believed Hamas would have the advantage by being able to hide in them. Well the IDF simply blew them up.

    Even the pro-Putin MoonOfAlabama finally gave up on him after his Hamas Heroes coverage.

    Ritter has a loathing of all things Western and sells pageclicks to people with similar proclivities. I realize he is admired for his work in Iraq but that was in the past. He called the Hamas rape 'n rampage a genius military raid. Hamas is nearly gone, real genius stuff.

    Replies: @QCIC

  750. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    Certainly not any discriminatory actions based on outward color markings?
     
    Domesticated fowl imprint on their broodmates. In practice, this means that they often form color-based gangs.

    Tuxedo cats, that are known for their clear black/white coloring are generally cheerful and intelligent cats that seem to get along with everybody
     
    I refuse to believe that this cat, no matter how hungry or desperate, jumped into Chelsea Clinton's arms.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socks_(cat)

    I’ve never been in close contact with a blonde one, however,would relish the opportunity to do so.
     
    I like goldadors, but I would like to see a national project to improve joints and eyesight and other issues in old age.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack

    Socks probably did a lot of catnip 🙂

    • Agree: songbird
  751. @German_reader
    @AP


    If Ukraine has hundreds of Western tanks and Bradleys much sooner (if Biden had started shipping them and training Ukrainians right away) the southern offensvie might have been conducted earlier and in more strength.
     
    You also need trained crews to operate such vehicles. And using them effectively for a combined arms offensive is on yet another level than basic competence at just driving them around.

    Most of the civilian damage there was caused by Russian rockets
     
    Maybe, maybe not. In any case I have no desire to read a news story that a German missile has killed dozens of Russian civilians in a strike on RF territory. And given Ukraine's past record of insane actions (like killing Dugin's daughter, sending those Russian neo-Nazis over the border, and, at least according to the semi-official Western narrative, blowing up Nordstream), I don't trust Ukraine's military and political leadership at all in avoiding something like that. They might even deliberately do it in the hope to bring about some sort of escalation increasing Western involvement in the war.

    That was extremely mistaken but he has been solid since then.
     
    Have you read his recent manifesto?

    combined with carrots/sticks for Ukrainians (fast track EU and massive aid probably out of Russian frozen funds in exchange for peace and acceptance of permanent loss of Crimea and Donbas , cutting off military aid otherwise) could foster negotiations in the future.
     
    Even apart from the political issues, there's no money for Ukrainian EU membership. Beckow is quite right in his cynical assessment of this. Who's going to pay for it? The Polish "brothers"? Good luck with that.
    There certainly should be a perspective of some sort of association with the EU for Ukraine, but fast-track full membership, that's just a fantasy.
    I also disagree about the seizure of Russia's frozen assets, imo that kind of escalatory move would be almost certain to be counter-productive for any negotiations. And to put it brutally, your priorities here are all wrong...the West needs to incentivize Russia to end the war...whereas there's much less need to offer any incentives to Ukraine, since the threat of cutting off Western support would already provide plenty of leverage.

    Vietnamese and Afghans took far more casualties than their invaders, but they outlasted them eventually. And the Western industrial base collectively dwarfs that of Russia. If the West has the will to provide more
     
    The West doesn't have the political will to go on a war economy footing for the sake of Ukraine, that much is already clear.
    As for Vietnam and Afghanistan, they didn't have Ukraine's terrible demographics, they had plenty of spare sons to waste. Their wars also just weren't comparable with Ukraine, the US (and the Soviets in the Afghan case, which wasn't really that important for the break-up of the Soviet Union) could just walk away from them without too much lasting damage to their reputation and power. Whereas the war with Ukraine is certainly seen as an existential issue by Putin and presumably most of the Russian security establishment.

    Better to not take chances and to give the Ukrainians what they need to stop Russia now and put an end to this nonsense.
     
    I don't think Ukraine would be able to "stop Russia" (in the sense of evicting Russia from all the occupied territory) under any conditions that are realistically possible. I just don't see how this is supposed to work.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

    I don’t think Ukraine would be able to “stop Russia” (in the sense of evicting Russia from all the occupied territory) under any conditions that are realistically possible. I just don’t see how this is supposed to work.

    It’s possible through demoralization of Russian conscripts. Political pressure forces an end to the war or change in leadership.

    Russia is currently running into the dregs problem. The more you conscript the fewer patriots you find that believe in the war. That means more men willing to surrender, escape, rebel, etc.

    Both Germany and Russia ran into this problem in WW1.

    Germans that didn’t see the point in dying for Belgium or French territory when they knew that the Allies would allow a democratic Germany to remain. Russians that didn’t see the point in dying for empire when there was no reason to believe the war could be won. In both cases the men at the front could clearly see that the dictator had underestimated the enemy. Why trust him at this point?

    Wars are fought with the assumption that troops will always go forward into battle. When they start pushing back it really causes problem. That aren’t nearly as effective as the professional troops used at the start of the war or the patriotic conscripts that accepted it as their duty. You start conscripting the men that had avoided the war they will start colluding. Not just with each other but the enemy.

  752. @QCIC
    @Matra

    People like Martyanov present useful information on the relevant history from a military and geopolitical perspective. They also give details on some of the machinery of warfare, not just the hardware but also discussion of some of the thought processes. Martyanov's early description of the SMO as a "combined-arms police action" has held up well. I doubt people can make sense of the combat in Ukraine without considering his meaning. If he wrote nothing else, this is still enormously helpful.

    Referring to Ritter, Macgregor and Martyanov, these men have written books which brought some important ideas to a broader audience. That is good enough for me. What you learn from reading their work is up to you.

    They are alarmed that the West is cavalierly tempting the fates with WW3 and nuclear war. I think this agitation at times causes them to lose some perspective on what is actually happening.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Referring to Ritter, Macgregor and Martyanov, these men have written books which brought some important ideas to a broader audience. That is good enough for me. What you learn from reading their work is up to you.

    What do you mean that is good enough for me?

    You just ignore the fact that Ritter has negative credibility?

    He completely misread Israel/Hamas and went on some Red Dawn fantasy of Hamas winning through tunnel battles. Pop-up type hits on tanks and then they scurry away. WOLVERINES!!! He actually believed Hamas would have the advantage by being able to hide in them. Well the IDF simply blew them up.

    Even the pro-Putin MoonOfAlabama finally gave up on him after his Hamas Heroes coverage.

    Ritter has a loathing of all things Western and sells pageclicks to people with similar proclivities. I realize he is admired for his work in Iraq but that was in the past. He called the Hamas rape ‘n rampage a genius military raid. Hamas is nearly gone, real genius stuff.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    QCIC wrote: "that is good enough for me?"

    I mean that I take them seriously since they went to the trouble of writing and publishing books. It does not mean I agree with everything they write. I recommend Martyanov's first two books. I have not read Macgregor since I have little interest in the Gulf Wars.

    I have read articles and excerpts from Ritter's past work on arms control. I think those writings are valuable and important. He was the first source which made me aware of Western meddling in Ukraine from 1945 to the present.

    I haven't kept up with the Gaza tragicomedy at all.

  753. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Unless it goes to the nukes the rest of us will be fine. Russia will be busy recovering and absorbing the mess. They may jokingly threaten the Balts, but why would they bother w the mini-states? Unless Nato starts it, they will stay as a festering wound on the Baltic.

    A festering wound on the Baltics? What does this mean?

    Tiny Estonia has a nearly +10k GDP per capita advantage over Russia.

    Even though Russia has vast untapped natural resources the Estonians simply live better. I doubt you could find a single Estonian using an outhouse. In some rural Russian areas it is the norm.

    Estonia is a tiny 1.4 million pop country that makes a mockery of the idea that Russians needed an angry dwarf to lead them out of the USSR.

    The Russian obsession over the Baltics reminds me of China and Taiwan. A constant reminder that the revolution was a complete waste of time and the leadership of the empire isn't needed. BUT YOU NEED OUR GUIDING HAND!!!!!

    And we all know that the dwarf would have forced the "invisible hand of empire fisting" if not for NATO protection. Russia's TV goons are in numerous youtube videos where they are clearly emotionally agitated over the Baltics. What a bunch of losers. Angry that a couple small countries don't want the fine leadership of the dwarf and his genius war that is now on day 682 of 2.5 weeks.

    Replies: @Beckow

    You are just angry…is it the coming loss in Ukraine? Calm down.

    Estonia is tiny, Smaller countries in good geographies usually have higher living standards – it works like that most of the time: Singapore-Malaysia, Panama-Colombia, Norway and UK, Switzerland and Germany…Estonia also had higher living standard in Soviet Union.

    Moscow and St. Petersburg and focused and small enough to have higher living standard than Estonia or Riga. London is also richer, and Prague is better than the countryside.. What’s your point? Are you just foaming with helpless anger?

    festering wound on the Baltics…what does it mean?

    It means tiny countries with collapsing population, no domestic industry, isolated from their natural trade partners where all those untapped resources are, mass emigration to EU, economy based on EU aid and services – the drunk Swedes and Finns…and more…

    It is a sad collapse of what could have been and it is not going to get better. Latvia is heading to 1 million people in two generations – it was 2.6 million under the dreaded Soviets, Estonia is barely a country anymore: Finns on binge drinking trips, Russians everywhere that they pretend don’t exist, abandoned countryside…

    Yes, it is a festering wound of misplaced reading of history (mostly lying like LatW) – pride combined with weakness. And the ever-present servility to the Western “betters” who don’t really give a sh..t. Now possibly even ground zero in any WW3…

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    You are just angry…is it the coming loss in Ukraine? Calm down.

    Not sure what you are talking about. This war started with Ukraine facing the second largest military in the world. The fact that they have most of their territory is incredible. Putin started the war with the justification of stopping the Eastward expansion of NATO. Well Finland joined so how exactly can Putin win without trying to bargain Finland out NATO? He doesn't have the leverage for such a demand. The only way for Putin to win would be taking Ukraine in 2.5 weeks unless we ignore his original speech. So you'd have to explain if we are to ignore his original goal of the war before discussing wins and losses. I would describe the war as a disaster where no one will fully win.

    Estonia is tiny,

    I noted that Estonia is tiny. It makes it less rational for the Russian goons to obsess over them as a lost territory. Why do they care about some tiny country where the Slavs don't have to use outhouses? Let them be.

    Smaller countries in good geographies usually have higher living standards – it works like that most of the time

    Of course and that's why I love to vacation in Haiti. They really lucked out by being next to the US.

    You sound like our "free market" economists. Successful countries need these qualities except for all the countries that have them but with the complete opposite outcomes. Solid stuff. Milton Friedman approved.

    Moscow and St. Petersburg and focused and small enough to have higher living standard than Estonia or Riga.

    Any theories on why Kaliningrad looks like the ruins of a 70's Soviet project? It looked better under the Germans in 1910.


    festering wound on the Baltics…what does it mean?
     
    It means tiny countries with collapsing population, no domestic industry, isolated from their natural trade partners where all those untapped resources

    So you are explaining the success of the Baltics due to their location but they are also a festering wound for not submitting to Russia? Boy you really should get a job under Putin. That is some Class A bullshit.

    Well let's go ahead and compare population growth of both countries:

    Population growth rate Estonia -0.69% (2021 est.) Russia -0.2% (2021 est.)
    https://www.indexmundi.com/factbook/compare/estonia.russia/demographics

    If only they had the dwarf in charge to make that population loss even greater through war.

    Your Russia defense points for the day: 3/10.

    Replies: @Sean

  754. @German_reader
    @AP


    If Ukraine has hundreds of Western tanks and Bradleys much sooner (if Biden had started shipping them and training Ukrainians right away) the southern offensvie might have been conducted earlier and in more strength.
     
    You also need trained crews to operate such vehicles. And using them effectively for a combined arms offensive is on yet another level than basic competence at just driving them around.

    Most of the civilian damage there was caused by Russian rockets
     
    Maybe, maybe not. In any case I have no desire to read a news story that a German missile has killed dozens of Russian civilians in a strike on RF territory. And given Ukraine's past record of insane actions (like killing Dugin's daughter, sending those Russian neo-Nazis over the border, and, at least according to the semi-official Western narrative, blowing up Nordstream), I don't trust Ukraine's military and political leadership at all in avoiding something like that. They might even deliberately do it in the hope to bring about some sort of escalation increasing Western involvement in the war.

    That was extremely mistaken but he has been solid since then.
     
    Have you read his recent manifesto?

    combined with carrots/sticks for Ukrainians (fast track EU and massive aid probably out of Russian frozen funds in exchange for peace and acceptance of permanent loss of Crimea and Donbas , cutting off military aid otherwise) could foster negotiations in the future.
     
    Even apart from the political issues, there's no money for Ukrainian EU membership. Beckow is quite right in his cynical assessment of this. Who's going to pay for it? The Polish "brothers"? Good luck with that.
    There certainly should be a perspective of some sort of association with the EU for Ukraine, but fast-track full membership, that's just a fantasy.
    I also disagree about the seizure of Russia's frozen assets, imo that kind of escalatory move would be almost certain to be counter-productive for any negotiations. And to put it brutally, your priorities here are all wrong...the West needs to incentivize Russia to end the war...whereas there's much less need to offer any incentives to Ukraine, since the threat of cutting off Western support would already provide plenty of leverage.

    Vietnamese and Afghans took far more casualties than their invaders, but they outlasted them eventually. And the Western industrial base collectively dwarfs that of Russia. If the West has the will to provide more
     
    The West doesn't have the political will to go on a war economy footing for the sake of Ukraine, that much is already clear.
    As for Vietnam and Afghanistan, they didn't have Ukraine's terrible demographics, they had plenty of spare sons to waste. Their wars also just weren't comparable with Ukraine, the US (and the Soviets in the Afghan case, which wasn't really that important for the break-up of the Soviet Union) could just walk away from them without too much lasting damage to their reputation and power. Whereas the war with Ukraine is certainly seen as an existential issue by Putin and presumably most of the Russian security establishment.

    Better to not take chances and to give the Ukrainians what they need to stop Russia now and put an end to this nonsense.
     
    I don't think Ukraine would be able to "stop Russia" (in the sense of evicting Russia from all the occupied territory) under any conditions that are realistically possible. I just don't see how this is supposed to work.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

    If Ukraine has hundreds of Western tanks and Bradleys much sooner (if Biden had started shipping them and training Ukrainians right away) the southern offensvie might have been conducted earlier and in more strength.

    You also need trained crews to operate such vehicles.

    Ukrainians have proven themselves to be quite trainable rather quickly. This could have been easily done on a larger scale.

    And using them effectively for a combined arms offensive is on yet another level than basic competence at just driving them around.

    Ukraine’s Kharkiv offensive was rather effective but couldn’t be replicated because there weren’t enough vehicles.

    Most of the civilian damage there was caused by Russian rockets

    Maybe, maybe not. In any case I have no desire to read a news story that a German missile has killed dozens of Russian civilians in a strike on RF territory

    Is it better to hear far more stories about Russian or North Korean missiles doing this in Ukrainian cities because Ukraine isn’t given the tools to take out Russian military objects deep in Russian territory?

    And given Ukraine’s past record of insane actions (like killing Dugin’s daughter, sending those Russian neo-Nazis over the border, and, at least according to the semi-official Western narrative, blowing up Nordstream), I don’t trust Ukraine’s military and political leadership at all in avoiding something like that

    Ukrainians have a track record of using their Western equipment as authorized, to their own detriment. They have been doing the “crazy” stuff (which pales in comparison to the craziness of invading another country and starting a massive war in Europe, btw) on their own.

    Have you read his [Karlin] recent manifesto?

    I’ve never been interested at all in science fiction or future tech stuff so I have not even looked at those speculations. Nor at the trans stuff.

    But his writings about Russia and Ukraine and the war that I linked to were on point and accurate. Did you look at those?

    Even apart from the political issues, there’s no money for Ukrainian EU membership.

    It depends on how much it would take. Ukraine would not get the lavish investment that Poland got.

    I also disagree about the seizure of Russia’s frozen assets, imo that kind of escalatory move

    The escalation was invading and destroying a lot of another country. Being found culpable and liable for the damages is hardly escalatory or unjust. It is “unprecedented” in the sense that invading another country in Europe in the 21st century is unprecedented.

    to put it brutally, your priorities here are all wrong…the West needs to incentivize Russia to end the war…whereas there’s much less need to offer any incentives to Ukraine, since the threat of cutting off Western support would already provide plenty of leverage.

    Once Russia decides it has had too much death and wants a return to normality there will be incentives enough. Ending sanctions and an economic boom would help too. It may not want this now, or next year. But if Ukraine is given what it needs to inflict the losses it must, this will change.

    The West doesn’t have the political will to go on a war economy footing for the sake of Ukraine, that much is already clear

    The West outmatches Russia in economic output to such an extent that it would not have to go to war footing to defeat Russia, but only to Cold War footing, and even a lighter form of that.

    It may or may not have the will to do even that much, but if it does not it will pay far more in the longer term.

    As for Vietnam and Afghanistan, they didn’t have Ukraine’s terrible demographics, they had plenty of spare sons to waste.

    Yes, and also the discrepancy in deaths is far lower, which compensates for this difference. North Vietnam/Vietcong lost over 1 million dead compared to 60,000 Americans and around 330,000 South Vietnamese. In Afghanistan, the Soviets lost 14,000 dead and the Afghans lost 90,000 dead.

    In contrast, in this war each side has a similar number dead, with the ratio favoring Ukraine now that Russia is doing the attacking.

    Whereas the war with Ukraine is certainly seen as an existential issue by Putin and presumably most of the Russian security establishment.

    Is it? They may want others to think that in order to convince timid Biden to back off more. Most Russians want a negotiated settlement.

    I don’t think Ukraine would be able to “stop Russia” (in the sense of evicting Russia from all the occupied territory)

    Not from all occupied territories (I can’t see how Ukraine would ever take urban Donbas), but if Ukraine got all the artillery ammo, F-16s, Bradleys, Abrams, ATACMS they need they would have a good chance of taking back the Crimean corridor and perhaps even Crimea itself (once the corridor and the bridge are gone, Crimea becomes isolated and invadable, a useful bargainng chip) , and preventing further Russian advances. This would be “stopping Russia.” And then real negotiations could begin.

  755. @Beckow
    @sudden death

    That analogy doesn't work. This is about a bloody war, not about whether Turkey can ship shoes and raisins to EU.

    There were also some EU politicians who denied that Turkey will ever join EU. But name a single EU leader in power who said that Kiev will never be in Nato...it has been a bloody mess and a catastrophic mistake: it will result in a smaller, poorer Ukraine with millions losing their future and hundreds of thousand dead.

    At the end Kiev will definitely not be in Nato...will you admit then that the idiotic plan and the public posturing from Bush to Scholtenberg were a tragic mistake?

    Replies: @sudden death

    Analogy with Turkey works well, cause UA always was just as close to joining NATO as Turkey to joining EU, while both having neverending universal declarative support from West in those goals – prior 2022 UA was not anyhow closer getting NATO membership than in 2008, so all that wailing about Kiev in NATO is just desperate trying to masquerade the pretext into the cause of conflict.

    Just as Sudetenland/Danzig questions were just pretext of preparing/doing invasions at the time, while the main cause was desire for territorial expansion and liquidating sovereign neighbour states. Difference so far being that UA people/leadership were determined to resist, coupled with RF being tactically delusional/inept at doing it so quickly/easily in the start as desired and the victim getting notable help from the West due to protracted fighting.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @sudden death


    ...masquerade the pretext into the cause of conflict.
     
    Nato said Kiev will join (14 years in a row), Ukraine put it in their Constitution, every Western politicians and media expert yelled it from mountain tops for 15 years, Russia repeatedly and harshly objected (called it a "red line") and was told to take a hike...

    If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck - it is a duck...

    I guess it feels slightly better for you to pretend that this war is about imperia and Euro culture vs. Asiatic barbarism, maybe even about Danzig (?) then to admit the stark reality that hundreds of thousands of Ukies are dying for the right to join Nato...but that won't bring them back and without the insane Nato expansion plan to Ukraine none of this would be happening.

    I think you know that but it is too painful to admit.

    Replies: @AP, @Philip Owen

  756. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    Certainly not any discriminatory actions based on outward color markings?
     
    Domesticated fowl imprint on their broodmates. In practice, this means that they often form color-based gangs.

    Tuxedo cats, that are known for their clear black/white coloring are generally cheerful and intelligent cats that seem to get along with everybody
     
    I refuse to believe that this cat, no matter how hungry or desperate, jumped into Chelsea Clinton's arms.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socks_(cat)

    I’ve never been in close contact with a blonde one, however,would relish the opportunity to do so.
     
    I like goldadors, but I would like to see a national project to improve joints and eyesight and other issues in old age.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack

    I refuse to believe that this cat, no matter how hungry or desperate, jumped into Chelsea Clinton’s arms.

    I totally agree with you, based just on the behavior of my feral tuxedo cat. His mother and brother, who do not display the tuxedo colors, are much friendlier. My sister, owns one such tuxedo cat that was domesticated from its birth. Sweet and affectionate to all that she meets (even new people).

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    His mother and brother, who do not display the tuxedo colors, are much friendlier
     
    I have long been curious about the possible link between cat coloration and personality.

    The easy ones are red or orange and calico cats because they are sex-linked traits. Orange cats are mostly Toms (~81%). And calicos mostly female. (~999 out of 1000).

    Male calicos have somotoform mutations, are chimeras, or actually XXY.

    Not sure about other connections but it might not be the right political environment right now for anyone to finance a big study.

    BTW, tangentially related, but I seem to notice that a lot of women who help animals and upload videos about it have tattoos, but perhaps the social media part of it creates a distortion. Though, sometimes I do think these women are crazy to go to some abandoned lot at night and feed cats. Also possibly a lot of obese women, but I don't think they upload.

    https://youtu.be/e9YYQIHx_14?si=UO3PkKpWRYJyveOK

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  757. @sudden death
    @Beckow

    Analogy with Turkey works well, cause UA always was just as close to joining NATO as Turkey to joining EU, while both having neverending universal declarative support from West in those goals - prior 2022 UA was not anyhow closer getting NATO membership than in 2008, so all that wailing about Kiev in NATO is just desperate trying to masquerade the pretext into the cause of conflict.

    Just as Sudetenland/Danzig questions were just pretext of preparing/doing invasions at the time, while the main cause was desire for territorial expansion and liquidating sovereign neighbour states. Difference so far being that UA people/leadership were determined to resist, coupled with RF being tactically delusional/inept at doing it so quickly/easily in the start as desired and the victim getting notable help from the West due to protracted fighting.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …masquerade the pretext into the cause of conflict.

    Nato said Kiev will join (14 years in a row), Ukraine put it in their Constitution, every Western politicians and media expert yelled it from mountain tops for 15 years, Russia repeatedly and harshly objected (called it a “red line”) and was told to take a hike…

    If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck – it is a duck…

    I guess it feels slightly better for you to pretend that this war is about imperia and Euro culture vs. Asiatic barbarism, maybe even about Danzig (?) then to admit the stark reality that hundreds of thousands of Ukies are dying for the right to join Nato…but that won’t bring them back and without the insane Nato expansion plan to Ukraine none of this would be happening.

    I think you know that but it is too painful to admit.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Nato said Kiev will join (14 years in a row), Ukraine put it in their Constitution, every Western politicians and media expert yelled it from mountain tops for 15 years, Russia repeatedly and harshly objected (called it a “red line”) and was told to take a hike
     
    If someone tells you for 14 years in a row that they will pay back money that they borrowed from you would you believe them? Would you believe them enough to lend them more?

    If someone tells for for 14 years in a row that they will stop drinking tomorrow but they drink day after day would you believe them?

    Ukraine was very far from joining NATO in 2022. As Turkey is in joining EU. Ukraine is closer now, though still far.

    to admit the stark reality that hundreds of thousands of Ukies are dying for the right to join Nato
     
    This is a particularly dumb take. NATO membership is only important to the Ukrainians, who are doing the fighting, insomuch as it keeps the Russians out. They are fighting to keep the Russians out, to be linked to Europe, not to be Russified, etc. To undo the disastrous treason of Bohdan Khmelnytsky. It's a struggle that is much older than NATO.

    Ukrainians in NATO is a reason to entice neocons or Westerners to support Ukrainians' goal of extricating themselves from Eurasia and staying out. If that is what it takes to get help, Ukrainians will go for it.

    So you have it backwards and you twist things. Ukrainians don't fight to join NATO. NATO helps Ukraine in its fight that occurs regardless of NATO, because doing so weakens Russia.
    , @Philip Owen
    @Beckow

    NATO clearly refused Ukraine in 2008. They were not encouraged. They could not meet the criteria, such as demonstrated widespread support for NATO and after 2014, no border disputes.

    Replies: @Beckow

  758. Another movie which I find odd politically is Jurassic World Dominion.

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    Somehow, dinosaurs take over the planet with very little resistance and a lot of toleration. The message at the end is one of “coexistence”, mosasaur with whale; pterodactyl and Canada goose, living side-by-side peacefully. It seems like antiracism in dinosaur form.

    Very little thought seems to be given to the fact that these creatures belong in a certain environment and their presence would probably be deleterious to other animals, due to resource constraints and other reasons.

    The Dr. Wu geneticist character is played by a gay, and there is an odd parallelism between the dinosaur embryos of fiction and his reproductive strategy in real life:

    Wong is openly gay.[12] He was in a long-term relationship with talent agent Richie Jackson from 1988 to 2004.[12] In 2000, the couple had twin sons, Boaz Dov and Jackson Foo Wong through a surrogate mother using Wong’s sperm and an egg donated by Jackson’s sister. Boaz Dov died 90 minutes after birth

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BD_Wong

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @songbird

    Diehard is surprisingly subversive. All the good guys are black, the old Hollywood black and whites are best buddies theme, beloved of the eighties, from Argyll the limo driver, to the black patrolman. The only black guy who is a bad guy is the computer whizz, the jerks are all white from the reporter, to the sleazy co-worker, to the German villains. The super star Japanese boss was, of course, interned during the war.

    Replies: @songbird, @John Johnson

  759. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Referring to Ritter, Macgregor and Martyanov, these men have written books which brought some important ideas to a broader audience. That is good enough for me. What you learn from reading their work is up to you.

    What do you mean that is good enough for me?

    You just ignore the fact that Ritter has negative credibility?

    He completely misread Israel/Hamas and went on some Red Dawn fantasy of Hamas winning through tunnel battles. Pop-up type hits on tanks and then they scurry away. WOLVERINES!!! He actually believed Hamas would have the advantage by being able to hide in them. Well the IDF simply blew them up.

    Even the pro-Putin MoonOfAlabama finally gave up on him after his Hamas Heroes coverage.

    Ritter has a loathing of all things Western and sells pageclicks to people with similar proclivities. I realize he is admired for his work in Iraq but that was in the past. He called the Hamas rape 'n rampage a genius military raid. Hamas is nearly gone, real genius stuff.

    Replies: @QCIC

    QCIC wrote: “that is good enough for me?”

    I mean that I take them seriously since they went to the trouble of writing and publishing books. It does not mean I agree with everything they write. I recommend Martyanov’s first two books. I have not read Macgregor since I have little interest in the Gulf Wars.

    I have read articles and excerpts from Ritter’s past work on arms control. I think those writings are valuable and important. He was the first source which made me aware of Western meddling in Ukraine from 1945 to the present.

    I haven’t kept up with the Gaza tragicomedy at all.

  760. @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You are just angry...is it the coming loss in Ukraine? Calm down.

    Estonia is tiny, Smaller countries in good geographies usually have higher living standards - it works like that most of the time: Singapore-Malaysia, Panama-Colombia, Norway and UK, Switzerland and Germany...Estonia also had higher living standard in Soviet Union.

    Moscow and St. Petersburg and focused and small enough to have higher living standard than Estonia or Riga. London is also richer, and Prague is better than the countryside.. What's your point? Are you just foaming with helpless anger?


    festering wound on the Baltics...what does it mean?
     
    It means tiny countries with collapsing population, no domestic industry, isolated from their natural trade partners where all those untapped resources are, mass emigration to EU, economy based on EU aid and services - the drunk Swedes and Finns...and more...

    It is a sad collapse of what could have been and it is not going to get better. Latvia is heading to 1 million people in two generations - it was 2.6 million under the dreaded Soviets, Estonia is barely a country anymore: Finns on binge drinking trips, Russians everywhere that they pretend don't exist, abandoned countryside...

    Yes, it is a festering wound of misplaced reading of history (mostly lying like LatW) - pride combined with weakness. And the ever-present servility to the Western "betters" who don't really give a sh..t. Now possibly even ground zero in any WW3...

    Replies: @John Johnson

    You are just angry…is it the coming loss in Ukraine? Calm down.

    Not sure what you are talking about. This war started with Ukraine facing the second largest military in the world. The fact that they have most of their territory is incredible. Putin started the war with the justification of stopping the Eastward expansion of NATO. Well Finland joined so how exactly can Putin win without trying to bargain Finland out NATO? He doesn’t have the leverage for such a demand. The only way for Putin to win would be taking Ukraine in 2.5 weeks unless we ignore his original speech. So you’d have to explain if we are to ignore his original goal of the war before discussing wins and losses. I would describe the war as a disaster where no one will fully win.

    Estonia is tiny,

    I noted that Estonia is tiny. It makes it less rational for the Russian goons to obsess over them as a lost territory. Why do they care about some tiny country where the Slavs don’t have to use outhouses? Let them be.

    Smaller countries in good geographies usually have higher living standards – it works like that most of the time

    Of course and that’s why I love to vacation in Haiti. They really lucked out by being next to the US.

    You sound like our “free market” economists. Successful countries need these qualities except for all the countries that have them but with the complete opposite outcomes. Solid stuff. Milton Friedman approved.

    Moscow and St. Petersburg and focused and small enough to have higher living standard than Estonia or Riga.

    Any theories on why Kaliningrad looks like the ruins of a 70’s Soviet project? It looked better under the Germans in 1910.

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    festering wound on the Baltics…what does it mean?

    It means tiny countries with collapsing population, no domestic industry, isolated from their natural trade partners where all those untapped resources

    So you are explaining the success of the Baltics due to their location but they are also a festering wound for not submitting to Russia? Boy you really should get a job under Putin. That is some Class A bullshit.

    Well let’s go ahead and compare population growth of both countries:

    Population growth rate Estonia -0.69% (2021 est.) Russia -0.2% (2021 est.)
    https://www.indexmundi.com/factbook/compare/estonia.russia/demographics

    If only they had the dwarf in charge to make that population loss even greater through war.

    Your Russia defense points for the day: 3/10.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @John Johnson


    Putin started the war with the justification of stopping the Eastward expansion of NATO
     
    I think Putin invaded the particulat country that he considered the priority for him and judgeing by the lack of attention given to Finland, Putin still considers it irellevant to the Ukraine problem, which remains the priority

    The only way for Putin to win would be taking Ukraine in 2.5 weeks unless we ignore his original speech. So you’d have to explain if we are to ignore his original goal of the war before discussing wins and losses. I would describe the war as a disaster where no one will fully win.
     
    The original goal of Putin was to intimidate Ukraine, since 2014 using such force as was necessary without making the enormous preparations necessary for a full scale invasion. Untill mere weeks before the VDV assaults on Kiev, the Ukrainian government of Zelensky and his cronies did not believe Putin would actually invade (with what admittedly seemed too small a force). If Zelensky listened to the Americans and Mayor of Kiev, realised what was about to happen, and properly prepared then the VDV would have been annihilated.

    Population growth rate Estonia -0.69% (2021 est.) Russia -0.2% (2021 est.)
    https://www.indexmundi.com/factbook/compare/estonia.russia/demographics

    If only they had the dwarf in charge to make that population loss even greater through war
     

    The Baltic countries main immediate problems is emigration of the low number of young people they have. Once upon a time those were Ukraine's worst problems too.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  761. @Beckow
    @sudden death


    ...masquerade the pretext into the cause of conflict.
     
    Nato said Kiev will join (14 years in a row), Ukraine put it in their Constitution, every Western politicians and media expert yelled it from mountain tops for 15 years, Russia repeatedly and harshly objected (called it a "red line") and was told to take a hike...

    If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck - it is a duck...

    I guess it feels slightly better for you to pretend that this war is about imperia and Euro culture vs. Asiatic barbarism, maybe even about Danzig (?) then to admit the stark reality that hundreds of thousands of Ukies are dying for the right to join Nato...but that won't bring them back and without the insane Nato expansion plan to Ukraine none of this would be happening.

    I think you know that but it is too painful to admit.

    Replies: @AP, @Philip Owen

    Nato said Kiev will join (14 years in a row), Ukraine put it in their Constitution, every Western politicians and media expert yelled it from mountain tops for 15 years, Russia repeatedly and harshly objected (called it a “red line”) and was told to take a hike

    If someone tells you for 14 years in a row that they will pay back money that they borrowed from you would you believe them? Would you believe them enough to lend them more?

    If someone tells for for 14 years in a row that they will stop drinking tomorrow but they drink day after day would you believe them?

    Ukraine was very far from joining NATO in 2022. As Turkey is in joining EU. Ukraine is closer now, though still far.

    to admit the stark reality that hundreds of thousands of Ukies are dying for the right to join Nato

    This is a particularly dumb take. NATO membership is only important to the Ukrainians, who are doing the fighting, insomuch as it keeps the Russians out. They are fighting to keep the Russians out, to be linked to Europe, not to be Russified, etc. To undo the disastrous treason of Bohdan Khmelnytsky. It’s a struggle that is much older than NATO.

    Ukrainians in NATO is a reason to entice neocons or Westerners to support Ukrainians’ goal of extricating themselves from Eurasia and staying out. If that is what it takes to get help, Ukrainians will go for it.

    So you have it backwards and you twist things. Ukrainians don’t fight to join NATO. NATO helps Ukraine in its fight that occurs regardless of NATO, because doing so weakens Russia.

  762. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    I refuse to believe that this cat, no matter how hungry or desperate, jumped into Chelsea Clinton’s arms.
     
    I totally agree with you, based just on the behavior of my feral tuxedo cat. His mother and brother, who do not display the tuxedo colors, are much friendlier. My sister, owns one such tuxedo cat that was domesticated from its birth. Sweet and affectionate to all that she meets (even new people).

    Replies: @songbird

    His mother and brother, who do not display the tuxedo colors, are much friendlier

    I have long been curious about the possible link between cat coloration and personality.

    The easy ones are red or orange and calico cats because they are sex-linked traits. Orange cats are mostly Toms (~81%). And calicos mostly female. (~999 out of 1000).

    Male calicos have somotoform mutations, are chimeras, or actually XXY.

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    Not sure about other connections but it might not be the right political environment right now for anyone to finance a big study.

    BTW, tangentially related, but I seem to notice that a lot of women who help animals and upload videos about it have tattoos, but perhaps the social media part of it creates a distortion. Though, sometimes I do think these women are crazy to go to some abandoned lot at night and feed cats. Also possibly a lot of obese women, but I don’t think they upload.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I don't think that any such of research would answer many questions (but you never know). In my opinion, I think that the "nurture" part of the equation wins out. As I've pointed out above, both my sister and I own cats with the iconic tuxedo cat colorings, yet their personalities are just the opposite of one to the other. My sister's cat was close to human contact from its earliest days and is quite mellow, while mine, a feral cat, often exhibits unfriendly posturing. There's also the fact that tuxedo cats are not a sub-species of cat, but truly a coloring trait found within at least four differed sub-species.

    Replies: @songbird

  763. I’m getting ready to visit some friends tonight for old calendar Christmas eve, tomorrow is the blessing of the waters (Epiphany) by the new calendar (that my church recently adopted). So I’ll probably be out for a couple of days and wish everybody here a Happy Holidays again!

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    Are you going to dunk yourself in ice water?

  764. @Mr. Hack
    I'm getting ready to visit some friends tonight for old calendar Christmas eve, tomorrow is the blessing of the waters (Epiphany) by the new calendar (that my church recently adopted). So I'll probably be out for a couple of days and wish everybody here a Happy Holidays again!

    https://i.pinimg.com/236x/32/6d/15/326d1550e66885145eeadb06cd4e3d21.jpg

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Are you going to dunk yourself in ice water?

  765. 😂 OPEN THREAD HUMOUR 😆

    This is what SJW🏳️‍🌈Muslim crazy all about.

    She thinks the blue & white wrapper is in support of Israel. How can anti-Semitic Leftoids be this brain dead? It boggles the mind.

    PEACE 😇

  766. @Mikel
    @German_reader


    I suspect you might disagree, but I’m convinced that regarding the US it’s rooted in an ideologically motivated desire for global hegemony.
     
    No, I don't disagree with that. American exceptionalism is alive and well here. Even some of the people that are against involvement in Ukraine, like Tucker or Gaetz, keep reminding us that "China is is our real enemy". The fact that a country in some part of the world may become an economic superpower with its own sphere of influence not controlled by the US is deeply unsettling. For some reason we can't let that happen.

    I guess another manifestation of this American exceptionalist ideology is the grotesque attempt to build liberal democracies in the Muslim countries invaded by the US. Because how could anyone in the world not want to live in a Jeffersonian democracy brought to them by the US Army?

    However, the expansion of NATO ever closer to Moscow (including from the Caucasus!) and the support of revolutions to topple pro-Russian rulers with the idea of isolating Russia also through an expanded EU was not a US-only idea at all. All Western European countries took part in that policy. And here is where I am at a loss to understand the reasons.

    As you say, some European countries were more active than others in this more or less covert anti-Russian policy carried out over a couple of decades. Perhaps in the case of Britain there's also an element of mini-exceptionalism. You need to think very highly of yourself to embark on that Mission Impossible charade of trying to force your way through the Kerch Strait with a single British ship against the whole Russian Fleet stationed there. I wonder how much this type of clown shows convinced Putin that a military reaction was necessary. It actually happened in the months preceding the SMO.

    But what about Sweden? Would that be a sort of micro-exceptionalism? I feel less disgust for Finland's decision to join NATO out of spite. They can't possibly believe that Putin is planning to turn Helsinki into another Russian oblast but at least they do have a long border with Russia and a history of struggle against Russian imperialism. Sweden has nothing of the like and they have squandered the legacy of 200 years of neutrality. Neither Hitler nor the USSR made them abandon that policy but they found Putin more intolerable than either of those. I can't feel the slightest sympathy for the role this woke country plays in international politics.

    My best guess at why the rest of Western Europe went along with this policy of Russian encroachment is just apathy and the understanding, deep inside, that they don't matter. In fact, I must confess that I probably felt that way myself before 2014. I didn't think anything of NATO's enlargement to the East when it happened. We were guaranteeing Russia's neighbors that we were willing to get incinerated in defense of their newly acquired independence but nuclear war sounded like science-fiction in those days and you just didn't care. I now know that Putin had started warning against it early on, when Russia had still relatively good relations with the West, but I was a regular consumer of MSM news so I don't think I ever heard anything of any Russian opposition to those moves.

    Whatever the case, we've ended up in a Groucho Marx kind of Cold War that is laughable on its face. Fighting a nuclear war was always insane but confronting the worldwide expansion of Communism and defending our democratic system was a reasonable goal to run risks for. Risking civilization to make a point of who is right in the old EE disputes and where the real ethnic border in the ex-UkSSR should have been located is hopelessly stupid.

    Replies: @Derer

    with its own (China) sphere of influence not controlled by the US is deeply unsettling. For some reason we can’t let that happen.

    I am interested in the strategy of “we can’t let that happen”. I am sure that claiming victory by some fair competition with China in the market place is not the Washington players strategy. It is again, primitive warmongering and conveniently use of NATO for a collective appearance of the threat. When in fact the NATO is exclusively the US foreign policy instrument and not the members having status of useful idiots. Why were, for instance, Polish or Romanian young boys dying in Afghanistan?

  767. @sudden death
    @Sean


    Merkel on Monday defended her 2008 decision to block Ukraine from immediately joining NATO
     
    However those above aren't direct Merkel or her spkeswoman words in that article, but came just from some nameless ignorant journo, who might have finishing his kindergarten years in 2008, the only thing in the article that former German head said was this:

    But Merkel in a short statement issued by her spokeswoman said she "stands by her decisions in relation to the 2008 NATO summit in Bucharest".

    "In view of the atrocities uncovered in Bucha and other places in Ukraine, all efforts by the government and the international community to stand by Ukraine's side and to bring an end to Russia's barbarism and war against Ukraine have the former chancellor's full support," added the spokeswoman.
     

    To be perfectly sure, one might find the original Merkel standalone press release text, but me wasn't able to locate it on the net quickly.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Sean

    Thorough, relatively recent, investigation by more or less, but considered as serious German press entity, which is not anyhow very sympathetic to neocon or EE stance, but they also make it clear that Bush&Cheney was pushing exactly for remote NATO MAP option to be granted for UA, but not for immediate full membership in 2008 spring:

    Even before German reunification in 1990, Cheney – who was U.S. secretary of defense at the time – was eyeing NATO’s eastward expansion because he didn’t trust the Russians. He also wanted to prevent a second superpower from ever again posing a threat to U.S. hegemony, and thus sought to pursue the enlargement of NATO, which had lost some of its importance with the end of the Cold War. It proved advantageous that Central and Eastern European countries sided reliably with the U.S. when it came to conflicts within the alliance. NATO Ambassador Nuland in Brussels had once been a member of Cheney’s staff.

    Officially, the Americans insisted that Ukraine was making its own sovereign decisions on the NATO issue, but many German diplomats and politicians harbored suspicions that Washington was seeking to enlarge its own sphere of influence. When it came to the issue of MAP status, scoffed a Foreign Ministry staffer in Berlin, Ukraine was receiving “a lot of support, except from its own people.”

    This impression was strengthened by a number of minor episodes. When the U.S. government learned that Prime Minister Tymoshenko was hesitant on the MAP issue, Secretary of State Rice took it upon herself to speak with her – the Germans learned from a source in the U.S. capital. Rice apparently wanted to get the Ukrainians back in line. A Merkel administration staffer says that on the Ukraine issue, the Americans were motivated by “ideology and great power aspirations.” In the German guidelines for Bucharest, the first item in the list of German interests is the sentence: “Maintain a sense of proportion in expanding NATO’s regional and functional role.”

    It isn’t clear from the historical record whether the rather artless Bush shared Cheney’s viewpoint. According to contemporaries, he took a principled stance: If democratically elected governments sought MAP status, then he couldn’t stand in the way. He wanted his staff to pile the pressure on America’s allies. “I like it when diplomacy is tough,” Fiona Hill, then a national intelligence officer, recently recalled Bush as saying in an interview with the New York Times Magazine.

    Bush and his team, however, faced a fundamental handicap in their efforts: The entire world knew that his tenure in the White House would soon be coming to an end.

    Also:

    With the situation growing heated, the German side would say afterwards, the impulsive Polish leader Kaczyński even sought to intimidate the German chancellor, despite her larger stature.

    But Merkel was already prepared to make compromises. A German draft explicitly stated that Ukraine and Georgia would “one day become members of NATO.” Germany was not fundamentally opposed, but wanted the MAP process to be slowed down. Rice walked over to Bush. The president said he could live with that.

    But the Central and Eastern Europeans countered that “one day” actually meant never, and Merkel ultimately deleted the two words, though she also refrained from making any concrete promises. The Germans, after all, had plenty of experience with non-binding membership promises, having held Turkey’s European Union bid at arm’s length for decades. And thus, the upshot from Bucharest was that NATO would, at some point, welcome two new members. The foreign ministers were to deliberate again in December 2008. For the time being, the subject was closed.

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/ukraine-how-merkel-prevented-ukraine-s-nato-membership-a-der-spiegel-reconstruction-a-c7f03472-2a21-4e4e-b905-8e45f1fad542

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    It needs to be admitted that sentence below once again might bring in some confusion, but it also was just journo impression in this point of article, not providing any direct politician quotes (at the time or later) to rely on:

    Bush, together with the Central and Eastern Europeans, was able to claim that they had achieved more than expected. Normally, a commitment to allow a country to join NATO came at the end of the accession process – and not at the beginning. Rice and others later gave the impression that Merkel, as a German, had probably not properly understood what she had written in English, namely: a clear commitment. The Germans, in turn, could claim that they had prevented the immediate accession of Ukraine and Georgia.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death


    but considered as serious German press entity, which is not anyhow very sympathetic to neocon or EE stance
     
    That's a rather doubtful characterization of SPIEGEL nowadays.
    But still, from my pov the parts you cited are already pretty damning. It makes clear that the Bush administration was intent on expanding NATO to Ukraine for reasons of securing American hegemony, despite there being nothing remotely like majority support for NATO accession among the Ukrainian population at the time. According to Robert Gates' memoirs (and maybe other sources as well, I don't know) Cheney even was in favour of breaking up the RF (!) itself into several states in the early 1990s, so his promotion of Ukrainian and Georgian NATO membership can hardly be seen as just an act of absent-mindedness or a sign of idealistic altruism, it really was pure power politics that was bound to cause a reaction in Russia (Putin and people like him may be prone to paranoia anyway, but even paranoiacs sometimes have real enemies). And what was good for an internally fractured society like Ukraine where a non-trivial part of the population identified with Russia apparently never figured into the calculation.

    Replies: @sudden death

  768. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    You missed my whole point, whether or not the average Ivan in Saratov was more critical of Putler than of the average one in Moscow or Peter. A shame, you wasted your breath on another long winded plea for me to support Putler, Russia and yourself in some sort of Putler appreciation support group. Yawn...

    Replies: @AP, @Philip Owen

    In Saratov, United Russia had to share the administration with the LDPR at one time. There is opposition to Putin. The LDPR and the Communists have genuine support and programs for government. Their support for Putin is lukewarm. Free Russia is invisible. The Communists march through town once a month on a Sunday morning in summer weather. The National Bolsheviks are a micro party but Saratov is their main base so they sometimes get media exposure.

    It seems to me that Putin’s core support is blue collar working class in state industries and white collar public sector workers. They had their salaries restored when the oil price rose. They think it was Putin. The countryside doesn’t give a damn. They are still poor.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Philip Owen

    In the United States, employees of the military industrial complex tend to be very hawkish, even when any perceived threats are half a world away. I wonder if the equivalent folks in Russia have similar attitudes? For reference, this includes the aerospace and nuclear industries and many other sectors of the economy. Naturally it includes most of the military including active and retired service members and families, their friends and many related businesses. With this in mind it seems the SMO would have very strong support from at least half of the country. Many people who dislike the present government and power structure are still probably upset when Western-sponsored drone strikes are attempted on the Kremlin.

    I think the lack of empathy of our American Ukies is interesting. In a hypothetical alternate reality where something similar to the Ukraine mess happened on the USA border, the American military response would be absolutely draconian and most citizens would support it.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  769. @Beckow
    @sudden death


    ...masquerade the pretext into the cause of conflict.
     
    Nato said Kiev will join (14 years in a row), Ukraine put it in their Constitution, every Western politicians and media expert yelled it from mountain tops for 15 years, Russia repeatedly and harshly objected (called it a "red line") and was told to take a hike...

    If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck - it is a duck...

    I guess it feels slightly better for you to pretend that this war is about imperia and Euro culture vs. Asiatic barbarism, maybe even about Danzig (?) then to admit the stark reality that hundreds of thousands of Ukies are dying for the right to join Nato...but that won't bring them back and without the insane Nato expansion plan to Ukraine none of this would be happening.

    I think you know that but it is too painful to admit.

    Replies: @AP, @Philip Owen

    NATO clearly refused Ukraine in 2008. They were not encouraged. They could not meet the criteria, such as demonstrated widespread support for NATO and after 2014, no border disputes.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Philip Owen

    Very shallow and formulaic denial of what was happening with Nato and Ukraine. I doubt you believe it - but your willingness to lie so brazenly about a core issue that has led to the bloody war is a reflection of the Anglo culture pathological lying and self-propagandizing...you are so insecure that you can't even man-up about what you want. You hide in infantile denials. Good luck with that, but it only works on retards.

    If you and most wanna-be posh Anglos hate Russia and Russians so much, why do you stick your nose into their affairs? Why did BoJo fly to Moscow to beg for trade as soon as he became FM? You dislike them because they saw through you and keep you at a distance. You only have yourself to blame.

  770. Heard a Punjabi is directing the new Star Wars film, and I was excited because I thought Disney was going to change direction by honor-killing Rey.

    But the director hyphenates her name.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @songbird

    Heard a Punjabi is directing the new Star Wars film, and I was excited because I thought Disney was going to change direction by honor-killing Rey.

    Why would you be excited?

    Disney has learned that Star Wars fans will show up for anything. A bunch of White dorks that want to be 10 forever.

    Kathleen Kennedy could take a shit while wearing a Halloween Wookie costume and half the Star Wars fans would show up....and then write angry reviews about how the franchise is permanently ruined.......again.......like the other times. Who keeps paying full price for this crap? Pathetic.

    Replies: @A123

  771. @German_reader
    @AP


    They could have sent 500 ATACMS missiles rather than 20 (and sent them much sooner), 500 Bradleys rather than 180, and many more Abrams.
     
    Possibly somewhat true regarding systems like Bradleys and Abrams. Efforts to supply Ukraine with shells and ammunition have probably also been deficient, it can be argued that Western states should have made much more of an effort in this regard.
    But regarding long-range missiles, no. The reason why has just been on display once again in the Ukrainian strike on Belgorod. Ukraine's leadership has made too many mistakes and frankly isn't trustworthy enough to be given such weapons.

    There is a chance that Russia would have been deterred from invading had its leaders understood what Ukraine would have been given or if even there had been a lot of ambiguity.
     
    I have a fundamental disagreement with this view since I believe increasing Western military support for Ukraine was a crucial factor in Putin's decision for the invasion. The policy of Biden's administration (as in the 2021 charter on strategic partnership with Ukraine) was apparently seen as a threatening escalation that made a preventive war necessary.
    Of course you might argue that Biden shouldn't just have taken half-measures, but immediately gone all-in, if he was set on confrontation with Russia anyway. But accusing him of "timidity" is a distortion imo.


    He consistently insists on his prewar conditions, adding Kherson and Zaporizhia on top of them, so there is nothing to negotiate, unfortunately.
     
    Well, obviously the annexations of Kherson and Zaporizhia have made the situation much worse and a negotiated settlement much more unlikely, since it's pretty much impossible for any Ukrainian government to recognize those illegitimate annexations. That much is true. There are also some Russian demands that Ukraine should never accept (like unilateral de-militarization or being forced back into Russia's Eurasian structures).
    However, if you reject any negotiations, what exactly is the desired outcome supposed to be? How is this war supposed to end? The idea of some total victory over Russia which has the Russian army being outright defeated or Russia just giving up and leaving isn't very credible.

    The most likely result will be some sort of stalemate. Sadly it may take about 100,000 or more dead people from each side. Karlin thinks 70% chance of stalemate, 15% chance of Ukrainian collapse and 15% of Russian collapse.

     

    Given his "shock and disbelief" pronouncements in 2022 I doubt Karlin's competence as a military expert (though I suppose he knows a lot about uplifted animals. I wonder if that elephant in his gay pride parade pic is supposed to be one).
    I don't believe there's a stable structural stalemate. Ukraine's position is likely to worsen over time in a war of attrition. That might be mitigated by Western support (and as I've written before, I'm not in favour of just cutting off that support; there might even be an argument for increasing it, IF there's a credible strategy to end this war that goes beyond what has been seen so far). But you can't change the underlying asymmetry. The argument about favorable loss ratios also doesn't convince me. Sure, conditions favor the defender, so at present it may be Russians who do more of the bleeding. But if Ukraine wants to re-take the occupied territories, obviously it would at some point have to go on the offensive again and suffer much higher losses.
    As for " Sadly it may take about 100,000 or more dead people from each side.", maybe. But the sunk costs could also increase Putin's determination to finish off Ukraine once and for all. I think something like this has happened already. In the first half of 2022 there may still have been a chance to end this war in a relatively positive way for Ukraine, with no major new losses of territory. That chance has already slipped away, and maybe other chances that still exist now will also be gone, if this war goes on for several years more.

    I doubt that Russia would attack Poland but if Ukraine falls the Baltics become likely a few years later, after Russia rearms. It would secure Kalinigrad and Saint Petersburg, reconstitute the territory of the USSR, “save” the ethnic Russians living there, and potentially break up NATO/prove it to be a paper tiger (if America decides not to send boys to die for Estonia).

     

    These scenarios are admittedly not impossible. But betting everything on a total defeat of Russia (which seems to be the preferred Baltic approach) is a very high-risk approach that could backfire badly.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow, @AP, @Derer

    since it’s pretty much impossible for any Ukrainian government to recognize those illegitimate annexations.

    For Russians the whole Ukraine annexation is legitimate…it was one country like Catalans in Spain. The borders within the Soviet Union should have been settled before the disintegration (Ukraine, Armenia, Kazakhstan). Unfortunately the drunken illiterate Yeltsin presided over that important historical moment with haste and without paying attention to ramification.

    The American Polak, Brzezinski gave Russians important hint on their relation with Ukraine: “Russia is superpower with Ukraine and without it is a minor power”.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Derer

    The Russians did raise the issue of Crimea and the Donbass at the time.

    https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/02/a-not-so-brief-history-of-crimea.html

    If I remember correctly the US threatened to withhold aid, including grain, if the Russians didn't back down.

    Replies: @Derer

    , @Philip Owen
    @Derer

    Russia has a history of insincere border treaties with Ukraine, mostly under Yeltsin. There was one in 2003 under Putin.

    https://www.chathamhouse.org/2022/08/russias-longstanding-problem-ukraines-borders

  772. @songbird
    Heard a Punjabi is directing the new Star Wars film, and I was excited because I thought Disney was going to change direction by honor-killing Rey.

    But the director hyphenates her name.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Heard a Punjabi is directing the new Star Wars film, and I was excited because I thought Disney was going to change direction by honor-killing Rey.

    Why would you be excited?

    Disney has learned that Star Wars fans will show up for anything. A bunch of White dorks that want to be 10 forever.

    Kathleen Kennedy could take a shit while wearing a Halloween Wookie costume and half the Star Wars fans would show up….and then write angry reviews about how the franchise is permanently ruined…….again…….like the other times. Who keeps paying full price for this crap? Pathetic.

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson


    @songbird

    Heard a Punjabi is directing the new Star Wars film,
     

    It sounds horrific:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6E6wJpu0A8E

    With luck this will never happen. Over half of announced Star Wars projects never make it. Do you remember the promised Rian Johnson trilogy?


    Why would you be excited?
     
    Do you realize that songbird was being sarcastic?

    Who keeps paying full price for this crap?
     
    No one. Look at the fall off of Disney's movies:

    • XI made 50% of movie VII.
    Solo made 20% of movie VII.

    Star Wars fans are abandoning the Disney take on the IP. The D+ shows are flopping -- Mandolorian S3, Boba Fett, Kenobi, Ashoka all cratered.

    Iger and Kennedy believe that Star Wars fans will pay for anything. The numbers show they are wrong. Fans mock the current evolution, rather than celebrating it.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TWhsjai-OVE

    Disney's stock price is collapsing. Fans are hoping for a hostile takeover to get rid of the failures at Lucasfilm. No one wants another Rey Palpatine movie.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson

  773. Our beloved “independent” truth seeker Scott Ritter has been going out lately;)

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @sudden death

    Have you read AK's The Z of History blog post?

    It looks to me like it's about 5X as long as it has to be. The writer might be channeling his inner Leo Tolstoy Ayn Rand.

    https://akarlin.com/the-z-of-history/

    I haven't gotten all the way through it but he does not seem to have anything like my own opinion on the impact of the Gaza Israel activities on the Ukraine Russia dispute.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @sudden death

    , @Mr. Hack
    @sudden death

    Mike Averko's icon of ultimate civility and intelligence travels to Chechnya to help rally the troops? Well, at least Ritter's Russian language skills (they're awful) are presumably better than old Mickeys, and should make him wonder how far his "career" could have gone if he had studied harder those Russian language correspondence lessons that gramps signed him up for?...

  774. @sudden death
    Our beloved "independent" truth seeker Scott Ritter has been going out lately;)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDKeKRQWMAA2Yay.png

    https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1743627014433587410

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    Have you read AK’s The Z of History blog post?

    It looks to me like it’s about 5X as long as it has to be. The writer might be channeling his inner Leo Tolstoy Ayn Rand.

    https://akarlin.com/the-z-of-history/

    I haven’t gotten all the way through it but he does not seem to have anything like my own opinion on the impact of the Gaza Israel activities on the Ukraine Russia dispute.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    His comments on the inhabitated are good. I didn't see it as an analogue for the coming war with Ukraine when I watched. It was though. The data is interesting. The FSB took over the government in February 2004. Mikhail Yuriev published "The Third Empire" in 2006 which was very much a scenario plan for 2014 and the present war. This film is also from that era. The political class must have been talking excitedly about a war with Ukraine for this to leak into the culture.

    He's right. The future for the world is a Liberal Merchant Republic. It has been for the last 600 years since the Portugese started sailing into the deep ocean. The EU peace project has been the big winner since 1945. Brexit only strengthened it. China was edging that way until Xi.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @sudden death
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    idk if it can be called reading so far, but more a combination of speedy scrolling, skimming&ctrlF'ing in my case, but still couldn't keep from self-patting on the back when encountered this and remembering AK reaction to my words in 2019 about more talented people leaving RF eventually under putinism;)


    Putinism has already provoked the emigration of 1 million mostly high skilled young workers in the IT and related industries. This hasn’t just affected the IT giants such as Yandex, but to an even larger extent all kinds of unicorns and startups at the very cutting edge of technology. One case I am quite familiar with is Gero, Russia’s leading life extension company, which decamped to Novi Sad, Serbia near in its entirety last year. Meanwhile, what remains of Russian “hi-tech” is increasingly just a story of weirdos and grifters, with the recent attempt by Alabuga – a special economic zone that has been found to be using indentured Russian and African labor to build drones (sic!) – to “own” Elon Musk by proposing to colonize Jupiter’s moons
     
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-85/#comment-3371657

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  775. @Gerard1234
    @German_reader

    You truly are being stupid and perverse


    because the mass deportations during the Stalin era were really pretty horrible, and when Russians don’t acknowledge that at all or even justify it, it’s evidence of a pretty sick colonialist mentality
     
    1. The deportations were entirely justified, from a security and practical point of view. Fascist scum threatening the security of the state (the new state created after the Soviets replaced the fascist police state in 1940, then replaced the fascist Nazi controlled state in 44) . Deportation did not equal a death sentence, and there was very practical, essential reasons for sending people there to mine, build, farm, manufacture etc to help our war effort, our post-war effort, and paying the gold mined to the western creditors - they were also a very small number of them from the Baltics compared to other Russians or citizens of the RSSR, but its because Baltic population so low which then makes the percentage number bigger

    2. Khrushchev era deStalinisation policies make your entire point on deportations completely irrelevant for the last 60 years. With it came apologies, resettlement, amnesties for those who worked in Nazi-administered councils - even combatant sickos serving in Waffen SS etc and post WW2 militias(N.B Stalin abolished death penalty - so they should thank him for allowing , unfairly, 10's of 1000s of these scum to live)

    3. The entirely justified and beautiful deportations of the Baltics was preceded and succeeded by Baltics helping to eliminate the sizeable number of Jews on these territories and the Soviet expulsion of the Baltics slaveowners (the Germans)

    4. Who get apologies for the arrests and murders done by all 3 of the Baltic police states in the late 20's/throughout the 1930s?

    5. Russians in Baltics ( OK, point no so applicable for Litva) voted to eliminate the Soviet socialist Republic, and so create the "Independent" 3 Baltic states.

    and given that asymmetry one might expect more magnanimity from the Russian side.
     
    An aimless, zero content, nothing statement.
    The relative non-reaction to naming streets after Chechen terrorists like Dudayev is more than enough magnanimity. As is supporting their low tourism industry over the years going to Talinn, Riga etc

    I’m closer now to a “Both sides are pretty terrible” view.
     
    Then you are just intellectually lazy.

    Given the arrogant attitude towards your people regularly shown by the Russian commenters like Gerard or AnonfromTN (or “Russophiles” like Beckow) that would be understandable, especially given the historical background.
     
    LOL.
    Also I would say there is no "historical background" for their behaviour. Just some pygmy-retard complex. LatW mentioned some nonsense about the Soviets "banning" Jani day ( big national holiday/Summer solstice in Latvia)........but Russians in Latvia , VERY enthusiastically celebrated that holiday during time of USSR, and I have seen plenty family photos involving Jani day celebration. Except New Year, that was the biggest thing the Russians over there celebrated.

    Replies: @LatW

    I doubt that I would ever be able to open your heart or to calm your heart down, but I want to share something with you – a beautiful song about the sons of Svarog, a song that I’ve enjoyed for many years (especially the voice). I want to let you know – that no matter what, even if everything falls apart, whatever happens, in my heart, I will always love the Rus’ people. Do not forget our forefathers. Please share this song with your grandchildren. May the light of Svarog shine forever.

  776. @Derer
    @German_reader


    since it’s pretty much impossible for any Ukrainian government to recognize those illegitimate annexations.
     
    For Russians the whole Ukraine annexation is legitimate...it was one country like Catalans in Spain. The borders within the Soviet Union should have been settled before the disintegration (Ukraine, Armenia, Kazakhstan). Unfortunately the drunken illiterate Yeltsin presided over that important historical moment with haste and without paying attention to ramification.

    The American Polak, Brzezinski gave Russians important hint on their relation with Ukraine: "Russia is superpower with Ukraine and without it is a minor power".

    Replies: @LondonBob, @Philip Owen

    The Russians did raise the issue of Crimea and the Donbass at the time.

    https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/02/a-not-so-brief-history-of-crimea.html

    If I remember correctly the US threatened to withhold aid, including grain, if the Russians didn’t back down.

    • Replies: @Derer
    @LondonBob

    Russia is grain exporter.

    Replies: @LondonBob

  777. @songbird
    Another movie which I find odd politically is Jurassic World Dominion.

    Somehow, dinosaurs take over the planet with very little resistance and a lot of toleration. The message at the end is one of "coexistence", mosasaur with whale; pterodactyl and Canada goose, living side-by-side peacefully. It seems like antiracism in dinosaur form.

    Very little thought seems to be given to the fact that these creatures belong in a certain environment and their presence would probably be deleterious to other animals, due to resource constraints and other reasons.

    The Dr. Wu geneticist character is played by a gay, and there is an odd parallelism between the dinosaur embryos of fiction and his reproductive strategy in real life:

    Wong is openly gay.[12] He was in a long-term relationship with talent agent Richie Jackson from 1988 to 2004.[12] In 2000, the couple had twin sons, Boaz Dov and Jackson Foo Wong through a surrogate mother using Wong’s sperm and an egg donated by Jackson’s sister. Boaz Dov died 90 minutes after birth
     
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BD_Wong

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Diehard is surprisingly subversive. All the good guys are black, the old Hollywood black and whites are best buddies theme, beloved of the eighties, from Argyll the limo driver, to the black patrolman. The only black guy who is a bad guy is the computer whizz, the jerks are all white from the reporter, to the sleazy co-worker, to the German villains. The super star Japanese boss was, of course, interned during the war.

    • Thanks: QCIC
    • Replies: @songbird
    @LondonBob

    Always thought that the fact the bad guys were German terrorists seemed a little bizarre, but it is actually a holdover from the 1970s, when the novel the movie is drawn from was written - the author must have started it exactly when the RAF were at peak. Haven't seen the movie in a great many years, so I don't know how well they communicate that they are German leftists, but guessing not very well.

    It is kind of funny that the movie was rated R, but they still pulled the paterfamilias of one of the two premiere "blacks are not threatening" TV shows of the '90s. I guess they cast him that well in the movie, for the message they intended. (And the song at the end, I believe is by a Mulatta)

    Hollywood has been really crazy pushing pro-black propaganda over the years. I was just thinking about how in the second Jurassic Park movie, they had already transitioned to adopted black girl, who is improbably a gymnast.

    The Japanese victimhood seems one of the strangest messages to come out of Hollywood. The Karate Kid is very bad in that way. It is actually kind of alarming to consider the period, this is when people thought Japan was going to take over economically. And for every Crichton's Rising Sun, it seems like their ten poor, mistreated Japanese stories, almost as though Toyota was paying for it.

    , @John Johnson
    @LondonBob

    Diehard is surprisingly subversive. All the good guys are black, the old Hollywood black and whites are best buddies theme, beloved of the eighties, from Argyll the limo driver, to the black patrolman. The only black guy who is a bad guy is the computer whizz, the jerks are all white from the reporter, to the sleazy co-worker, to the German villains. The super star Japanese boss was, of course, interned during the war.

    Don't forget that his only friend is the average Black cop on the beat.

    Seems like another day in America. German super terrorists using their Black computer hacker to steal corporate bonds. And to think some of you assholes are convinced Hollywood has some type of racial agenda.

    I don't see why people like watching this movie at Christmas. Sure it is fun the first time but with repeated viewings you notice a lot of plot holes.

    Why did they do all of this during the Christmas party? Why not kidnap the exec at his house or when the Christmas party is over? How about posing as some type of business interest?

    Whoever wrote the script really wanted a Christmas kidnapping story and then added everything else. It all just feels so concocted. They're German terrorists with AUGs....no wait....actually they just used that as a cover... they're bankrobbers! ..... what? They just wanted money? Not adding up.

    Replies: @songbird

  778. @Gerard1234
    @AP


    Ukrainian military is a collection of a technological obsolete junk and operational concepts which are not suited for modern warfare.
     
    Comprehensively proven already you dipsh*t. Though understanding the sentiment behind "obsolete junk", he would be correct if talking solely ukrop war, but all those old weapons systems/equipment are capable of causing damage or preventing damage if used with western navigation systems, western equipment, western real-time intelligence data etc.

    This military is drowned in corruption, drugs, alcohol
     
    Is anybody even SERIOUSLY disputing this? Of course all 3 are at very high levels in the ukrop military. As you have zero family or friends or business connections with Banderastan (note I am generous in that I would have qualified you for this if you were doing the same like other American slimeballs - who appear to have only sponsored young, good looking, single Instagram-loving Lvov-types whores to move to the US since the SMO, but of course you haven't invited any ukrop in) then you would have no idea that every ukrop family is having complaints of at least one of these things. What Martyanov did not consider is that Drugs are used to get these psycho losers to fight in a specific way (kamikaze primarily) , with approval from higher up.

    Martyanov doesn't mention the drugs and alchol from the western mercs/sex tourists though....or the open corruption, mass money laundering scheme that is western politicians with their actions towards 404.

    Ukraine simple has NO scientific, industrial or military capacity to have this, nor has it access to that.
     
    Even for an extreme bimbo like you , this is dumb. The scientific, industrial capacity is entirely western . the military capacity is entirely western/soviet legacy . And LMAO - Grom , Oplot, Stunga (Javelin and NLAW embarrassing failures I should add), Bogdan, drones, even their own APC's. In 8, now 10 years - absurdly useless MIC.

    LDNR forces, despite being vastly outnumbered, have access to this, which they demonstrated in Debaltsevo, Ilovaisk and many other places where this so called “battle hardened” Ukie army ran like hell.
     
    Another indisputable fact

    Modern Armed Forces, and we are talking about Russia, wouldn’t even allow this so called army to see them–they will demolish all Ukrainian C4ISR first, especially C3, by stand-off weaponry and then cavalry will go in, with targets already shown and assigned on the level of company, or even platoon.
     
    As is obvious, a big part of that C4ISR, especially C3 is either completely western, located on or from western territory, or micro-managed by westerners. The cavalry did go in from Russia......and liberated , and secured access to several critical objects and liberate towns and cities. Where the most purely "Ukrainian" concentrated use of C4ISR was - surveillance and particularly human intelligence directed at the southern border with Crimea....of course failed abysmally and got annihilated. Here, Ukrainian human intelligence multi-year efforts would have been the dominant player ahead of western capabilities of course. It says alot about 404's C4ISR capabilities they got destroyed so quickly ( and insurgent efforts in that part close to zero, LOL)

    In the process of that southern operation making the SMO a definite victory immediately, only a clinically dead but on life-support Banderastan extending their own suffering for several more years. I suppose the Nazis are trying to follow the American principle of "fake it till you make it".....about the only "westernisation" 404 has done in 30 years, except for dressing like American police officers.

    Any direct involvement of Russia means one thing–the end of the junta in Kiev and disintegration of Ukraine, with LDNR forward forces rolling over Kreshatick within weeks.

     

    That statement according to Martyanov is of course accurate. LDNR did roll-over in Lugansk and Azov coast, part of Black Sea Coast you idiot. The junta is of course inept and there solely because the west pays the entire state budget, military, everything of the country - when about 2 billion dollars a year could have prevented the war they have committed more than 100 ( indirect costs probably 1500 already) times this amount to a parasitic fake state.

    As if you couldn't be any more of a dumb retard, Martyanov is talking about a situation like the Muhajadeen against the Soviets, Israel in the wars with Egypt and Arab states you idiot - the US helping , providing weapons, some (not all) funds....not a situation like this you cretin where the entire thing at strategic, operational level and tactical level is planned, enforced by westerners, as the VSU pussys are micromanaged by them. Embarassingly for the west, 404 - Russia using a very small force managed to operate successfully on 3 fronts and secure many key objectives.......with a fraction of the number for a whole country.......that the Nazis used for entire cities, even towns. Though western front deserves praise for bravery, skill etc........the facts are that not a single city or town had a serious battle (100000 fighting on either side) as the Nazis allowed them to take it.....but the Nazi scum while surrendering to them, fought the Soviets for every brick in nearly every city

    Sovok boomers, mediocre graduates with mediocre Soviet-era careers. Martyanov failed at life, ending up in the USA and working as some kind of high school math tutor.
     
    An amusing lie and projection of what you WANT to be true, as you are a sociopathic wackjob with huge problems, not the actual truth. I think under the other numerous sockpuppet accounts on numerous different Russian (english-language of course) sites from yourself - there is the same recycled lying garbage written at similar great people like Martyanov.

    Replies: @AP, @LondonBob, @Philip Owen

    Russians took Mariupol and the land bridge to Crimea in no time, strangely forgotten.

  779. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @sudden death

    Thorough, relatively recent, investigation by more or less, but considered as serious German press entity, which is not anyhow very sympathetic to neocon or EE stance, but they also make it clear that Bush&Cheney was pushing exactly for remote NATO MAP option to be granted for UA, but not for immediate full membership in 2008 spring:


    Even before German reunification in 1990, Cheney – who was U.S. secretary of defense at the time – was eyeing NATO's eastward expansion because he didn't trust the Russians. He also wanted to prevent a second superpower from ever again posing a threat to U.S. hegemony, and thus sought to pursue the enlargement of NATO, which had lost some of its importance with the end of the Cold War. It proved advantageous that Central and Eastern European countries sided reliably with the U.S. when it came to conflicts within the alliance. NATO Ambassador Nuland in Brussels had once been a member of Cheney's staff.

    Officially, the Americans insisted that Ukraine was making its own sovereign decisions on the NATO issue, but many German diplomats and politicians harbored suspicions that Washington was seeking to enlarge its own sphere of influence. When it came to the issue of MAP status, scoffed a Foreign Ministry staffer in Berlin, Ukraine was receiving "a lot of support, except from its own people."

    This impression was strengthened by a number of minor episodes. When the U.S. government learned that Prime Minister Tymoshenko was hesitant on the MAP issue, Secretary of State Rice took it upon herself to speak with her – the Germans learned from a source in the U.S. capital. Rice apparently wanted to get the Ukrainians back in line. A Merkel administration staffer says that on the Ukraine issue, the Americans were motivated by "ideology and great power aspirations." In the German guidelines for Bucharest, the first item in the list of German interests is the sentence: "Maintain a sense of proportion in expanding NATO's regional and functional role."

    It isn't clear from the historical record whether the rather artless Bush shared Cheney's viewpoint. According to contemporaries, he took a principled stance: If democratically elected governments sought MAP status, then he couldn't stand in the way. He wanted his staff to pile the pressure on America's allies. "I like it when diplomacy is tough," Fiona Hill, then a national intelligence officer, recently recalled Bush as saying in an interview with the New York Times Magazine.

    Bush and his team, however, faced a fundamental handicap in their efforts: The entire world knew that his tenure in the White House would soon be coming to an end.
     

    Also:

    With the situation growing heated, the German side would say afterwards, the impulsive Polish leader Kaczyński even sought to intimidate the German chancellor, despite her larger stature.

    But Merkel was already prepared to make compromises. A German draft explicitly stated that Ukraine and Georgia would "one day become members of NATO." Germany was not fundamentally opposed, but wanted the MAP process to be slowed down. Rice walked over to Bush. The president said he could live with that.

    But the Central and Eastern Europeans countered that "one day" actually meant never, and Merkel ultimately deleted the two words, though she also refrained from making any concrete promises. The Germans, after all, had plenty of experience with non-binding membership promises, having held Turkey's European Union bid at arm's length for decades. And thus, the upshot from Bucharest was that NATO would, at some point, welcome two new members. The foreign ministers were to deliberate again in December 2008. For the time being, the subject was closed.

     

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/ukraine-how-merkel-prevented-ukraine-s-nato-membership-a-der-spiegel-reconstruction-a-c7f03472-2a21-4e4e-b905-8e45f1fad542


    It needs to be admitted that sentence below once again might bring in some confusion, but it also was just journo impression in this point of article, not providing any direct politician quotes (at the time or later) to rely on:


    Bush, together with the Central and Eastern Europeans, was able to claim that they had achieved more than expected. Normally, a commitment to allow a country to join NATO came at the end of the accession process – and not at the beginning. Rice and others later gave the impression that Merkel, as a German, had probably not properly understood what she had written in English, namely: a clear commitment. The Germans, in turn, could claim that they had prevented the immediate accession of Ukraine and Georgia.
     

    Replies: @German_reader

    but considered as serious German press entity, which is not anyhow very sympathetic to neocon or EE stance

    That’s a rather doubtful characterization of SPIEGEL nowadays.
    But still, from my pov the parts you cited are already pretty damning. It makes clear that the Bush administration was intent on expanding NATO to Ukraine for reasons of securing American hegemony, despite there being nothing remotely like majority support for NATO accession among the Ukrainian population at the time. According to Robert Gates’ memoirs (and maybe other sources as well, I don’t know) Cheney even was in favour of breaking up the RF (!) itself into several states in the early 1990s, so his promotion of Ukrainian and Georgian NATO membership can hardly be seen as just an act of absent-mindedness or a sign of idealistic altruism, it really was pure power politics that was bound to cause a reaction in Russia (Putin and people like him may be prone to paranoia anyway, but even paranoiacs sometimes have real enemies). And what was good for an internally fractured society like Ukraine where a non-trivial part of the population identified with Russia apparently never figured into the calculation.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader

    No matter how influential at times Cheney could have been, but Bush still was having the last word while making/confirming decisions and even authors of the article had to admit about not knowing whether Bush shared Cheney’s viewpoint and pointing into Bush non confronting anyhow Putin's rantings in 2008 spring NATO meeting.

    Btw, the best opportunity in theory to cause/deepen the strain in RF unity was Chechnya still in war, when Bush administration came into power at the start of year 2000, but IIRC there wasn't any special US practical efforts directed at all. Bit later, after 09-11, Bush overall entirely agreed and got along with official Kremlin line about fight in Chechnya being just the part of worldwide crusade against terrorism, so in practice all that narrative about Bush administration hell bent on to breaking up RF is not so clear cut.

  780. @John Johnson
    @songbird

    Heard a Punjabi is directing the new Star Wars film, and I was excited because I thought Disney was going to change direction by honor-killing Rey.

    Why would you be excited?

    Disney has learned that Star Wars fans will show up for anything. A bunch of White dorks that want to be 10 forever.

    Kathleen Kennedy could take a shit while wearing a Halloween Wookie costume and half the Star Wars fans would show up....and then write angry reviews about how the franchise is permanently ruined.......again.......like the other times. Who keeps paying full price for this crap? Pathetic.

    Replies: @A123

    Heard a Punjabi is directing the new Star Wars film,

    It sounds horrific:

    With luck this will never happen. Over half of announced Star Wars projects never make it. Do you remember the promised Rian Johnson trilogy?

    Why would you be excited?

    Do you realize that songbird was being sarcastic?

    Who keeps paying full price for this crap?

    No one. Look at the fall off of Disney’s movies:

    • XI made 50% of movie VII.
    Solo made 20% of movie VII.

    Star Wars fans are abandoning the Disney take on the IP. The D+ shows are flopping — Mandolorian S3, Boba Fett, Kenobi, Ashoka all cratered.

    Iger and Kennedy believe that Star Wars fans will pay for anything. The numbers show they are wrong. Fans mock the current evolution, rather than celebrating it.

    Disney’s stock price is collapsing. Fans are hoping for a hostile takeover to get rid of the failures at Lucasfilm. No one wants another Rey Palpatine movie.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    The subversion is more important to these people than money. They can always print money!

    Replies: @A123

    , @John Johnson
    @A123


    No one. Look at the fall off of Disney’s movies:
     
    • XI made 50% of movie VII.
    • Solo made 20% of movie VII.

    Solo was never supposed to be a blockbuster. It's actually a decent action movie. Much better than the new ones. Rogue One is also better than the new ones.

    1 billion in box office revenue for the POS Force Awakens:
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/311356/star-wars-production-costs-box-office-revenue/

    Star Wars fans are abandoning the Disney take on the IP.

    Total fantasy.

    What happened is that the fans went to the movies and everyone else waited. Normal people shrugged and streamed the movies. The fans went like they always do.

    The fans can't admit that the new movies are total garbage. Cheesy rip offs of the originals. I've never made it through any of them.

    Disney’s stock price is collapsing. Fans are hoping for a hostile takeover to get rid of the failures at Lucasfilm. No one wants another Rey Palpatine movie.

    It's stagnant, not collapsing.
    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/DIS/history

    The latest sequels proved that the fans will watch anything plus they get tons of merchandising. A couple Disney+ shows that bomb won't change anything.

  781. @Philip Owen
    @Mr. Hack

    In Saratov, United Russia had to share the administration with the LDPR at one time. There is opposition to Putin. The LDPR and the Communists have genuine support and programs for government. Their support for Putin is lukewarm. Free Russia is invisible. The Communists march through town once a month on a Sunday morning in summer weather. The National Bolsheviks are a micro party but Saratov is their main base so they sometimes get media exposure.

    It seems to me that Putin's core support is blue collar working class in state industries and white collar public sector workers. They had their salaries restored when the oil price rose. They think it was Putin. The countryside doesn't give a damn. They are still poor.

    Replies: @QCIC

    In the United States, employees of the military industrial complex tend to be very hawkish, even when any perceived threats are half a world away. I wonder if the equivalent folks in Russia have similar attitudes? For reference, this includes the aerospace and nuclear industries and many other sectors of the economy. Naturally it includes most of the military including active and retired service members and families, their friends and many related businesses. With this in mind it seems the SMO would have very strong support from at least half of the country. Many people who dislike the present government and power structure are still probably upset when Western-sponsored drone strikes are attempted on the Kremlin.

    I think the lack of empathy of our American Ukies is interesting. In a hypothetical alternate reality where something similar to the Ukraine mess happened on the USA border, the American military response would be absolutely draconian and most citizens would support it.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @QCIC

    In the case of people I know and worked with, they were not hawks. They did however, prefer a hawk on the US side. Bush was considered a great improvement over Clinton because he was predictable.

    Personally, I think Bush was the disaster that has led to the troubles of the modern world. (I would have been a Republican under Eisenhower, Nixon, even Regan and Bush I. Bush II, never.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  782. @A123
    @John Johnson


    @songbird

    Heard a Punjabi is directing the new Star Wars film,
     

    It sounds horrific:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6E6wJpu0A8E

    With luck this will never happen. Over half of announced Star Wars projects never make it. Do you remember the promised Rian Johnson trilogy?


    Why would you be excited?
     
    Do you realize that songbird was being sarcastic?

    Who keeps paying full price for this crap?
     
    No one. Look at the fall off of Disney's movies:

    • XI made 50% of movie VII.
    Solo made 20% of movie VII.

    Star Wars fans are abandoning the Disney take on the IP. The D+ shows are flopping -- Mandolorian S3, Boba Fett, Kenobi, Ashoka all cratered.

    Iger and Kennedy believe that Star Wars fans will pay for anything. The numbers show they are wrong. Fans mock the current evolution, rather than celebrating it.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TWhsjai-OVE

    Disney's stock price is collapsing. Fans are hoping for a hostile takeover to get rid of the failures at Lucasfilm. No one wants another Rey Palpatine movie.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson

    The subversion is more important to these people than money. They can always print money!

    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC



    Disney’s stock price is collapsing. Fans are hoping for a hostile takeover to get rid of the failures at Lucasfilm.
     
    The subversion is more important to these people than money. They can always print money!
     
    Well.... They though that they could print more money. Except they can no longer do so. Successful IP's drive new theme park attractions. The lengthy string of failures, especially in animated and live action remakes, has crushed theme park attendance.

    The money press is broken and the HULU bill is coming due.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Beckow

  783. Battle of the Nations
    Bulgaria Denmark
    Kazakhstan Belarus

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  784. @LondonBob
    @songbird

    Diehard is surprisingly subversive. All the good guys are black, the old Hollywood black and whites are best buddies theme, beloved of the eighties, from Argyll the limo driver, to the black patrolman. The only black guy who is a bad guy is the computer whizz, the jerks are all white from the reporter, to the sleazy co-worker, to the German villains. The super star Japanese boss was, of course, interned during the war.

    Replies: @songbird, @John Johnson

    Always thought that the fact the bad guys were German terrorists seemed a little bizarre, but it is actually a holdover from the 1970s, when the novel the movie is drawn from was written – the author must have started it exactly when the RAF were at peak. Haven’t seen the movie in a great many years, so I don’t know how well they communicate that they are German leftists, but guessing not very well.

    [MORE]

    It is kind of funny that the movie was rated R, but they still pulled the paterfamilias of one of the two premiere “blacks are not threatening” TV shows of the ’90s. I guess they cast him that well in the movie, for the message they intended. (And the song at the end, I believe is by a Mulatta)

    Hollywood has been really crazy pushing pro-black propaganda over the years. I was just thinking about how in the second Jurassic Park movie, they had already transitioned to adopted black girl, who is improbably a gymnast.

    The Japanese victimhood seems one of the strangest messages to come out of Hollywood. The Karate Kid is very bad in that way. It is actually kind of alarming to consider the period, this is when people thought Japan was going to take over economically. And for every Crichton’s Rising Sun, it seems like their ten poor, mistreated Japanese stories, almost as though Toyota was paying for it.

  785. @sudden death
    Our beloved "independent" truth seeker Scott Ritter has been going out lately;)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GDKeKRQWMAA2Yay.png

    https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1743627014433587410

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    Mike Averko’s icon of ultimate civility and intelligence travels to Chechnya to help rally the troops? Well, at least Ritter’s Russian language skills (they’re awful) are presumably better than old Mickeys, and should make him wonder how far his “career” could have gone if he had studied harder those Russian language correspondence lessons that gramps signed him up for?…

  786. Pontius Pilate: The voice for instance of Arrius, waiting for you in Rome. He would tell you, if I may speak in his place, not to crucify yourself on a shadow such as old resentment or impossible loyalties. Perfect freedom has no existence. A grown man knows the world he lives in, and for the present, the world is Rome. Young Arrius, I am sure, will choose it.

  787. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    His mother and brother, who do not display the tuxedo colors, are much friendlier
     
    I have long been curious about the possible link between cat coloration and personality.

    The easy ones are red or orange and calico cats because they are sex-linked traits. Orange cats are mostly Toms (~81%). And calicos mostly female. (~999 out of 1000).

    Male calicos have somotoform mutations, are chimeras, or actually XXY.

    Not sure about other connections but it might not be the right political environment right now for anyone to finance a big study.

    BTW, tangentially related, but I seem to notice that a lot of women who help animals and upload videos about it have tattoos, but perhaps the social media part of it creates a distortion. Though, sometimes I do think these women are crazy to go to some abandoned lot at night and feed cats. Also possibly a lot of obese women, but I don't think they upload.

    https://youtu.be/e9YYQIHx_14?si=UO3PkKpWRYJyveOK

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I don’t think that any such of research would answer many questions (but you never know). In my opinion, I think that the “nurture” part of the equation wins out. As I’ve pointed out above, both my sister and I own cats with the iconic tuxedo cat colorings, yet their personalities are just the opposite of one to the other. My sister’s cat was close to human contact from its earliest days and is quite mellow, while mine, a feral cat, often exhibits unfriendly posturing. There’s also the fact that tuxedo cats are not a sub-species of cat, but truly a coloring trait found within at least four differed sub-species.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Feral cats seem to differ quite substantially in their approachability.

    Possibly this could be linked to the time that they have actually been ferral, but I suspect it is strongly genetic and related to physiological differences in the nervous system.

    There's this basic idea in biology, that if you are too wary, you lose out because you'll always be hiding and not be able to eat sufficiently. But if you are too bold, you will be eaten by predators. So there are these competing strategies in single species like rabbits, and they vacillate a bit based on changing selection pressures.

    I imagine there is something similar with cats.

    My family took in a feral cat from the country, when I was about 8. It was quite friendly. But full of worms.

  788. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I don't think that any such of research would answer many questions (but you never know). In my opinion, I think that the "nurture" part of the equation wins out. As I've pointed out above, both my sister and I own cats with the iconic tuxedo cat colorings, yet their personalities are just the opposite of one to the other. My sister's cat was close to human contact from its earliest days and is quite mellow, while mine, a feral cat, often exhibits unfriendly posturing. There's also the fact that tuxedo cats are not a sub-species of cat, but truly a coloring trait found within at least four differed sub-species.

    Replies: @songbird

    Feral cats seem to differ quite substantially in their approachability.

    Possibly this could be linked to the time that they have actually been ferral, but I suspect it is strongly genetic and related to physiological differences in the nervous system.

    There’s this basic idea in biology, that if you are too wary, you lose out because you’ll always be hiding and not be able to eat sufficiently. But if you are too bold, you will be eaten by predators. So there are these competing strategies in single species like rabbits, and they vacillate a bit based on changing selection pressures.

    I imagine there is something similar with cats.

    My family took in a feral cat from the country, when I was about 8. It was quite friendly. But full of worms.

  789. @QCIC
    @A123

    The subversion is more important to these people than money. They can always print money!

    Replies: @A123

    Disney’s stock price is collapsing. Fans are hoping for a hostile takeover to get rid of the failures at Lucasfilm.

    The subversion is more important to these people than money. They can always print money!

    Well…. They though that they could print more money. Except they can no longer do so. Successful IP’s drive new theme park attractions. The lengthy string of failures, especially in animated and live action remakes, has crushed theme park attendance.

    The money press is broken and the HULU bill is coming due.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    I was not referring to the Disney cash machine. I meant the overlords print the money. They can restructure the company, repackage the IP and perhaps bring back the propaganda in a new form.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    , @Beckow
    @A123

    ...Disney is a has-been company, the last century money that had little chance to hold on. They went nuts and were taken over by weirdos who are accelerating the demise. But they were done anyway. Somebody will eventually buy them for the real estate and the trade-mark.


    They can always print money!
     
    There is a saying in finance that always is not forever and trends continue until they don't. We can't know the timing. You can create "money" out of thin air - as the dollar is now - as long as the transactions go through. It can end next year or in 50 years...

    Something always triggers it but what is always a surprise. They will print like madmen till the end...interestingly any system is often at its peak right before something happens. Colonialism peaked in the 1920-30's (not in the remote past), communism peaked in late the 1970's, American slavery was at its apogee in 1850's. We have that to look forward to...:)

    And what is this electoral ban on Trump? Are the junior school administrators now fully in charge of the greatest country that ever was?

    Replies: @A123

  790. For the Orthodox here:

    ☦️ MERRY CHRISTMAS ☦️

    • Thanks: ShortOnTime
  791. @A123
    @John Johnson


    @songbird

    Heard a Punjabi is directing the new Star Wars film,
     

    It sounds horrific:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6E6wJpu0A8E

    With luck this will never happen. Over half of announced Star Wars projects never make it. Do you remember the promised Rian Johnson trilogy?


    Why would you be excited?
     
    Do you realize that songbird was being sarcastic?

    Who keeps paying full price for this crap?
     
    No one. Look at the fall off of Disney's movies:

    • XI made 50% of movie VII.
    Solo made 20% of movie VII.

    Star Wars fans are abandoning the Disney take on the IP. The D+ shows are flopping -- Mandolorian S3, Boba Fett, Kenobi, Ashoka all cratered.

    Iger and Kennedy believe that Star Wars fans will pay for anything. The numbers show they are wrong. Fans mock the current evolution, rather than celebrating it.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TWhsjai-OVE

    Disney's stock price is collapsing. Fans are hoping for a hostile takeover to get rid of the failures at Lucasfilm. No one wants another Rey Palpatine movie.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson

    No one. Look at the fall off of Disney’s movies:

    • XI made 50% of movie VII.
    • Solo made 20% of movie VII.

    Solo was never supposed to be a blockbuster. It’s actually a decent action movie. Much better than the new ones. Rogue One is also better than the new ones.

    1 billion in box office revenue for the POS Force Awakens:
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/311356/star-wars-production-costs-box-office-revenue/

    Star Wars fans are abandoning the Disney take on the IP.

    Total fantasy.

    What happened is that the fans went to the movies and everyone else waited. Normal people shrugged and streamed the movies. The fans went like they always do.

    The fans can’t admit that the new movies are total garbage. Cheesy rip offs of the originals. I’ve never made it through any of them.

    Disney’s stock price is collapsing. Fans are hoping for a hostile takeover to get rid of the failures at Lucasfilm. No one wants another Rey Palpatine movie.

    It’s stagnant, not collapsing.
    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/DIS/history

    The latest sequels proved that the fans will watch anything plus they get tons of merchandising. A couple Disney+ shows that bomb won’t change anything.

  792. Срећан Божић свим православцима широм света који славе по старом календару. Христос се роди.

    • Replies: @AP
    @silviosilver

    Славіти Його!

  793. @A123
    @QCIC



    Disney’s stock price is collapsing. Fans are hoping for a hostile takeover to get rid of the failures at Lucasfilm.
     
    The subversion is more important to these people than money. They can always print money!
     
    Well.... They though that they could print more money. Except they can no longer do so. Successful IP's drive new theme park attractions. The lengthy string of failures, especially in animated and live action remakes, has crushed theme park attendance.

    The money press is broken and the HULU bill is coming due.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Beckow

    I was not referring to the Disney cash machine. I meant the overlords print the money. They can restructure the company, repackage the IP and perhaps bring back the propaganda in a new form.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    Disney Corp has been partnered with government propaganda functions since ~1940. They are not going away any time soon. Walt Disney was a genius but he does not seem to have been a happy man.

    I wonder if his head is really cryonically preserved for cosmic reincarnation.

    , @A123
    @QCIC


    I was not referring to the Disney cash machine. I meant the overlords print the money.
     
    The anti-Semitic "overlords" do hate Judeo-Christian values. However, they are pretty busy with other things, and absolutely nothing is going right for the House of Mouse.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VZrmkpCdV2I

    Do you really think they will go out on a limb to save Disney's IslamoGloboHomo messaging?

    To me, it seems much more likely that they will deem the ruins unsalvageable. It is more effective for them to find new things to break. Thus, they will cut their losses by abandoning Disney to the corporate raiders.
    ___

    Another point to consider. Warner Brothers is in equally bad shape, or possibly worse off. Paramount streaming is a financial train wreck. How could they justify rescuing Disney without also saving WB, Paramount, etc.?

    Even money printing has limits. Not intervening for Disney avoids an expensive precedent.

    PEACE 😇
  794. According to the sketchy wiki on feral cats, 480 million out of 700 million cats that exist globally are feral.

    And feral cats in Africa have been observed sucking the milk out of the teats of elephant seals.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_cat

  795. @QCIC
    @A123

    I was not referring to the Disney cash machine. I meant the overlords print the money. They can restructure the company, repackage the IP and perhaps bring back the propaganda in a new form.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    Disney Corp has been partnered with government propaganda functions since ~1940. They are not going away any time soon. Walt Disney was a genius but he does not seem to have been a happy man.

    I wonder if his head is really cryonically preserved for cosmic reincarnation.

  796. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    You are just angry…is it the coming loss in Ukraine? Calm down.

    Not sure what you are talking about. This war started with Ukraine facing the second largest military in the world. The fact that they have most of their territory is incredible. Putin started the war with the justification of stopping the Eastward expansion of NATO. Well Finland joined so how exactly can Putin win without trying to bargain Finland out NATO? He doesn't have the leverage for such a demand. The only way for Putin to win would be taking Ukraine in 2.5 weeks unless we ignore his original speech. So you'd have to explain if we are to ignore his original goal of the war before discussing wins and losses. I would describe the war as a disaster where no one will fully win.

    Estonia is tiny,

    I noted that Estonia is tiny. It makes it less rational for the Russian goons to obsess over them as a lost territory. Why do they care about some tiny country where the Slavs don't have to use outhouses? Let them be.

    Smaller countries in good geographies usually have higher living standards – it works like that most of the time

    Of course and that's why I love to vacation in Haiti. They really lucked out by being next to the US.

    You sound like our "free market" economists. Successful countries need these qualities except for all the countries that have them but with the complete opposite outcomes. Solid stuff. Milton Friedman approved.

    Moscow and St. Petersburg and focused and small enough to have higher living standard than Estonia or Riga.

    Any theories on why Kaliningrad looks like the ruins of a 70's Soviet project? It looked better under the Germans in 1910.


    festering wound on the Baltics…what does it mean?
     
    It means tiny countries with collapsing population, no domestic industry, isolated from their natural trade partners where all those untapped resources

    So you are explaining the success of the Baltics due to their location but they are also a festering wound for not submitting to Russia? Boy you really should get a job under Putin. That is some Class A bullshit.

    Well let's go ahead and compare population growth of both countries:

    Population growth rate Estonia -0.69% (2021 est.) Russia -0.2% (2021 est.)
    https://www.indexmundi.com/factbook/compare/estonia.russia/demographics

    If only they had the dwarf in charge to make that population loss even greater through war.

    Your Russia defense points for the day: 3/10.

    Replies: @Sean

    Putin started the war with the justification of stopping the Eastward expansion of NATO

    I think Putin invaded the particulat country that he considered the priority for him and judgeing by the lack of attention given to Finland, Putin still considers it irellevant to the Ukraine problem, which remains the priority

    The only way for Putin to win would be taking Ukraine in 2.5 weeks unless we ignore his original speech. So you’d have to explain if we are to ignore his original goal of the war before discussing wins and losses. I would describe the war as a disaster where no one will fully win.

    The original goal of Putin was to intimidate Ukraine, since 2014 using such force as was necessary without making the enormous preparations necessary for a full scale invasion. Untill mere weeks before the VDV assaults on Kiev, the Ukrainian government of Zelensky and his cronies did not believe Putin would actually invade (with what admittedly seemed too small a force). If Zelensky listened to the Americans and Mayor of Kiev, realised what was about to happen, and properly prepared then the VDV would have been annihilated.

    Population growth rate Estonia -0.69% (2021 est.) Russia -0.2% (2021 est.)
    https://www.indexmundi.com/factbook/compare/estonia.russia/demographics

    If only they had the dwarf in charge to make that population loss even greater through war

    The Baltic countries main immediate problems is emigration of the low number of young people they have. Once upon a time those were Ukraine’s worst problems too.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Sean

    I think Putin invaded the particulat country that he considered the priority for him and judgeing by the lack of attention given to Finland, Putin still considers it irellevant to the Ukraine problem, which remains the priority

    You're ignoring his speech and the reasons he gave for the invasion of Ukraine:

    “I am referring to the expansion of the NATO to the east, moving its military infrastructure closer to Russian borders. It is well known that for 30 years we have persistently and patiently tried to reach an agreement with the leading NATO countries on the principles of equal and inviolable security in Europe. In response to our proposals, we constantly faced either cynical deception and lies, or attempts to pressure and blackmail, while NATO, despite all our protests and concerns, continued to steadily expand. The war machine is moving and, I repeat, it is coming close to our borders.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/putins-speech-declaring-war-on-ukraine-translated-excerpts

    How would Finland be irrelevant when they share more border with Russia?

    He claimed the war was stopping the expansion of NATO to the East.

    Finland has joined which expanded NATO to the East. Is that a success or failure of Putin's clearly stated goal?

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/eb8e49c2d4e7fade5ddd63a24e6fadd6/3dbd5415b507c68e-64/s1280x1920/e07832e307b6c8feb9bfbd222ddea6fc4e61100c.jpg

    Replies: @Derer, @QCIC, @Sean

  797. @QCIC
    @A123

    I was not referring to the Disney cash machine. I meant the overlords print the money. They can restructure the company, repackage the IP and perhaps bring back the propaganda in a new form.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    I was not referring to the Disney cash machine. I meant the overlords print the money.

    The anti-Semitic “overlords” do hate Judeo-Christian values. However, they are pretty busy with other things, and absolutely nothing is going right for the House of Mouse.

    Do you really think they will go out on a limb to save Disney’s IslamoGloboHomo messaging?

    To me, it seems much more likely that they will deem the ruins unsalvageable. It is more effective for them to find new things to break. Thus, they will cut their losses by abandoning Disney to the corporate raiders.
    ___

    Another point to consider. Warner Brothers is in equally bad shape, or possibly worse off. Paramount streaming is a financial train wreck. How could they justify rescuing Disney without also saving WB, Paramount, etc.?

    Even money printing has limits. Not intervening for Disney avoids an expensive precedent.

    PEACE 😇

  798. @A123
    @QCIC



    Disney’s stock price is collapsing. Fans are hoping for a hostile takeover to get rid of the failures at Lucasfilm.
     
    The subversion is more important to these people than money. They can always print money!
     
    Well.... They though that they could print more money. Except they can no longer do so. Successful IP's drive new theme park attractions. The lengthy string of failures, especially in animated and live action remakes, has crushed theme park attendance.

    The money press is broken and the HULU bill is coming due.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Beckow

    …Disney is a has-been company, the last century money that had little chance to hold on. They went nuts and were taken over by weirdos who are accelerating the demise. But they were done anyway. Somebody will eventually buy them for the real estate and the trade-mark.

    They can always print money!

    There is a saying in finance that always is not forever and trends continue until they don’t. We can’t know the timing. You can create “money” out of thin air – as the dollar is now – as long as the transactions go through. It can end next year or in 50 years…

    Something always triggers it but what is always a surprise. They will print like madmen till the end…interestingly any system is often at its peak right before something happens. Colonialism peaked in the 1920-30’s (not in the remote past), communism peaked in late the 1970’s, American slavery was at its apogee in 1850’s. We have that to look forward to…:)

    And what is this electoral ban on Trump? Are the junior school administrators now fully in charge of the greatest country that ever was?

    • Replies: @A123
    @Beckow


    And what is this electoral ban on Trump? Are the junior school administrators now fully in charge of the greatest country that ever was?
     
    These came up via state (not federal) courts. They are for GOP primaries where Trump has a 100% chance of winning. And, the exclusion is either stayed or enjoined in every jurisdiction. Trump remains on every ballot.

    It is political theatre. Team Blue is performing for its Nazicrat base constituency, offending swing and independent voters along the way. Every one of these abuses makes MAGA Trump more appealing.

    It is a bit silly that SCOTUS has to waste time on this. Presumably they will find that the federal provision requires a federal conviction on the relevant acts. Not state convictions. Not federal accusations. That would nail the door shut on future shenanigans.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow

  799. @Philip Owen
    @Beckow

    NATO clearly refused Ukraine in 2008. They were not encouraged. They could not meet the criteria, such as demonstrated widespread support for NATO and after 2014, no border disputes.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Very shallow and formulaic denial of what was happening with Nato and Ukraine. I doubt you believe it – but your willingness to lie so brazenly about a core issue that has led to the bloody war is a reflection of the Anglo culture pathological lying and self-propagandizing…you are so insecure that you can’t even man-up about what you want. You hide in infantile denials. Good luck with that, but it only works on retards.

    If you and most wanna-be posh Anglos hate Russia and Russians so much, why do you stick your nose into their affairs? Why did BoJo fly to Moscow to beg for trade as soon as he became FM? You dislike them because they saw through you and keep you at a distance. You only have yourself to blame.

  800. Seems to me like trannies will blunt AK’s dreams of radical life-extension, etc. by siphoning off money and clout in a similar way that gays have arguably blunted a lot of health research by funneling the resources towards STDs.

    Does a ten percent cap on the costs of wokeness include AA pilots and air traffic controllers?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Modern computer networking makes corporate and government travel rarely necessary. Some more air crashes aren't going to hamper the core.

    See America first!

    Unless you live on the gulf coast there are a thousand great places to go. Swamp tourism is for around 1% of the people. It's great if you like to hunt alligators. That is not anywhere near my favorite kind of nature.

  801. @Beckow
    @A123

    ...Disney is a has-been company, the last century money that had little chance to hold on. They went nuts and were taken over by weirdos who are accelerating the demise. But they were done anyway. Somebody will eventually buy them for the real estate and the trade-mark.


    They can always print money!
     
    There is a saying in finance that always is not forever and trends continue until they don't. We can't know the timing. You can create "money" out of thin air - as the dollar is now - as long as the transactions go through. It can end next year or in 50 years...

    Something always triggers it but what is always a surprise. They will print like madmen till the end...interestingly any system is often at its peak right before something happens. Colonialism peaked in the 1920-30's (not in the remote past), communism peaked in late the 1970's, American slavery was at its apogee in 1850's. We have that to look forward to...:)

    And what is this electoral ban on Trump? Are the junior school administrators now fully in charge of the greatest country that ever was?

    Replies: @A123

    And what is this electoral ban on Trump? Are the junior school administrators now fully in charge of the greatest country that ever was?

    These came up via state (not federal) courts. They are for GOP primaries where Trump has a 100% chance of winning. And, the exclusion is either stayed or enjoined in every jurisdiction. Trump remains on every ballot.

    It is political theatre. Team Blue is performing for its Nazicrat base constituency, offending swing and independent voters along the way. Every one of these abuses makes MAGA Trump more appealing.

    It is a bit silly that SCOTUS has to waste time on this. Presumably they will find that the federal provision requires a federal conviction on the relevant acts. Not state convictions. Not federal accusations. That would nail the door shut on future shenanigans.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @A123


    ...It is political theatre...That would nail the door shut on future shenanigans.
     
    Well, maybe. We understand it is mostly a theatre - but why do a theatre? It looks very bad around the world. You need to understand that the details are simply not communicable - too obscure for most people - and it looks very undemocratic.

    If a democracy suppresses the choice of 35-50% people - the rough minimal estimate of the Trump support - it is not a democracy. There is no way around it. If it is only a theatre and will be reversed, what if others around the world do similar theatre? And many who have been are now validated.

    Replies: @A123

  802. @Sean
    @John Johnson


    Putin started the war with the justification of stopping the Eastward expansion of NATO
     
    I think Putin invaded the particulat country that he considered the priority for him and judgeing by the lack of attention given to Finland, Putin still considers it irellevant to the Ukraine problem, which remains the priority

    The only way for Putin to win would be taking Ukraine in 2.5 weeks unless we ignore his original speech. So you’d have to explain if we are to ignore his original goal of the war before discussing wins and losses. I would describe the war as a disaster where no one will fully win.
     
    The original goal of Putin was to intimidate Ukraine, since 2014 using such force as was necessary without making the enormous preparations necessary for a full scale invasion. Untill mere weeks before the VDV assaults on Kiev, the Ukrainian government of Zelensky and his cronies did not believe Putin would actually invade (with what admittedly seemed too small a force). If Zelensky listened to the Americans and Mayor of Kiev, realised what was about to happen, and properly prepared then the VDV would have been annihilated.

    Population growth rate Estonia -0.69% (2021 est.) Russia -0.2% (2021 est.)
    https://www.indexmundi.com/factbook/compare/estonia.russia/demographics

    If only they had the dwarf in charge to make that population loss even greater through war
     

    The Baltic countries main immediate problems is emigration of the low number of young people they have. Once upon a time those were Ukraine's worst problems too.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I think Putin invaded the particulat country that he considered the priority for him and judgeing by the lack of attention given to Finland, Putin still considers it irellevant to the Ukraine problem, which remains the priority

    You’re ignoring his speech and the reasons he gave for the invasion of Ukraine:

    “I am referring to the expansion of the NATO to the east, moving its military infrastructure closer to Russian borders. It is well known that for 30 years we have persistently and patiently tried to reach an agreement with the leading NATO countries on the principles of equal and inviolable security in Europe. In response to our proposals, we constantly faced either cynical deception and lies, or attempts to pressure and blackmail, while NATO, despite all our protests and concerns, continued to steadily expand. The war machine is moving and, I repeat, it is coming close to our borders.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/putins-speech-declaring-war-on-ukraine-translated-excerpts

    How would Finland be irrelevant when they share more border with Russia?

    He claimed the war was stopping the expansion of NATO to the East.

    Finland has joined which expanded NATO to the East. Is that a success or failure of Putin’s clearly stated goal?

    • Replies: @Derer
    @John Johnson


    Finland has joined which expanded NATO to the East.
     
    They succumbed to the whispers of the far away snake. It is called under duress. They lived happily with the communists neighbours for years. Now when the hated communist ideology is gone it is a hate of Russians - it must be the envy of their resources or their power. NATO exists only for the Washington sinister players (a specific politburo) who are lonely without attending the European club.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Finland joining NATO looks like a setback but is much less important to Russia than Ukraine or Belarus. I assume some leaders in Finland recognize that Russia is giving Kiev the kid gloves treatment and realize that Helsinki will not be so fortunate. At some point in the not-so-distant future Finland will gradually decouple from NATO. This could take the form of a security agreement with the CIS which has some tension with their NATO obligations. This would make their NATO status ambiguous and maybe a bit like that of Turkey.

    Does Finland have anything which Russia wants or needs?

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AnonfromTN

    , @Sean
    @John Johnson

    Finland has millions of ethnic Russians, hosts Russian military bases, and has long ago been identified as the 'Heartland' key to world domination in the work of the immensely influential geopolitical theorist Mackinder, eh? Putin's use of brute force in 2014 to annex Crimea followed the man who was soon to be President of Ukraine saying he would evict the Russian bases from Crimea and a campaign for disestablishment of education in the Russian language. From that point on it was clear to all with eyes to see that Putin considered the fate of Ethic Russians (and Russian bases in Ukraine) to be a matter of war and peace. He had said as much to an startled conference with Westerners when he was a minor official in the office of the mayor of St Petersburg. he found that no one cared what he though or Russia wanted and the 2007 Munich security conference the Americans sitting in the front row were laughing at his speech complaining that the US missile bases in Eastern Europe showed America's aim was to be the single centre of decision making and force. Perhaps their technology will eventually make them the ordering power of a unipolar world, but they are not there yet and ought to have expected a challenge, especially in Ukraine of all places.

  803. @songbird
    Seems to me like trannies will blunt AK's dreams of radical life-extension, etc. by siphoning off money and clout in a similar way that gays have arguably blunted a lot of health research by funneling the resources towards STDs.

    Does a ten percent cap on the costs of wokeness include AA pilots and air traffic controllers?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Modern computer networking makes corporate and government travel rarely necessary. Some more air crashes aren’t going to hamper the core.

    See America first!

    Unless you live on the gulf coast there are a thousand great places to go. Swamp tourism is for around 1% of the people. It’s great if you like to hunt alligators. That is not anywhere near my favorite kind of nature.

  804. @silviosilver
    Срећан Божић свим православцима широм света који славе по старом календару. Христос се роди.

    Replies: @AP

    Славіти Його!

  805. @LondonBob
    @songbird

    Diehard is surprisingly subversive. All the good guys are black, the old Hollywood black and whites are best buddies theme, beloved of the eighties, from Argyll the limo driver, to the black patrolman. The only black guy who is a bad guy is the computer whizz, the jerks are all white from the reporter, to the sleazy co-worker, to the German villains. The super star Japanese boss was, of course, interned during the war.

    Replies: @songbird, @John Johnson

    Diehard is surprisingly subversive. All the good guys are black, the old Hollywood black and whites are best buddies theme, beloved of the eighties, from Argyll the limo driver, to the black patrolman. The only black guy who is a bad guy is the computer whizz, the jerks are all white from the reporter, to the sleazy co-worker, to the German villains. The super star Japanese boss was, of course, interned during the war.

    Don’t forget that his only friend is the average Black cop on the beat.

    Seems like another day in America. German super terrorists using their Black computer hacker to steal corporate bonds. And to think some of you assholes are convinced Hollywood has some type of racial agenda.

    I don’t see why people like watching this movie at Christmas. Sure it is fun the first time but with repeated viewings you notice a lot of plot holes.

    Why did they do all of this during the Christmas party? Why not kidnap the exec at his house or when the Christmas party is over? How about posing as some type of business interest?

    Whoever wrote the script really wanted a Christmas kidnapping story and then added everything else. It all just feels so concocted. They’re German terrorists with AUGs….no wait….actually they just used that as a cover… they’re bankrobbers! ….. what? They just wanted money? Not adding up.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @John Johnson


    German super terrorists using their Black computer hacker

     

    But it was believable because he was wearing glasses.

    https://youtu.be/Zi5Xmi_tFZU?si=gpV2lmPcdPC5pQGI
    https://youtu.be/sLMRh62sazs?si=dPyrmlF_x5HWsnSA

    Replies: @John Johnson

  806. @John Johnson
    @Sean

    I think Putin invaded the particulat country that he considered the priority for him and judgeing by the lack of attention given to Finland, Putin still considers it irellevant to the Ukraine problem, which remains the priority

    You're ignoring his speech and the reasons he gave for the invasion of Ukraine:

    “I am referring to the expansion of the NATO to the east, moving its military infrastructure closer to Russian borders. It is well known that for 30 years we have persistently and patiently tried to reach an agreement with the leading NATO countries on the principles of equal and inviolable security in Europe. In response to our proposals, we constantly faced either cynical deception and lies, or attempts to pressure and blackmail, while NATO, despite all our protests and concerns, continued to steadily expand. The war machine is moving and, I repeat, it is coming close to our borders.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/putins-speech-declaring-war-on-ukraine-translated-excerpts

    How would Finland be irrelevant when they share more border with Russia?

    He claimed the war was stopping the expansion of NATO to the East.

    Finland has joined which expanded NATO to the East. Is that a success or failure of Putin's clearly stated goal?

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/eb8e49c2d4e7fade5ddd63a24e6fadd6/3dbd5415b507c68e-64/s1280x1920/e07832e307b6c8feb9bfbd222ddea6fc4e61100c.jpg

    Replies: @Derer, @QCIC, @Sean

    Finland has joined which expanded NATO to the East.

    They succumbed to the whispers of the far away snake. It is called under duress. They lived happily with the communists neighbours for years. Now when the hated communist ideology is gone it is a hate of Russians – it must be the envy of their resources or their power. NATO exists only for the Washington sinister players (a specific politburo) who are lonely without attending the European club.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Derer


    Finland has joined which expanded NATO to the East.
     
    Now when the hated communist ideology is gone it is a hate of Russians – it must be the envy of their resources or their power. NATO exists only for the Washington sinister players (a specific politburo) who are lonely without attending the European club.

    You believe the motivation is envy and hatred even though they were invited to join NATO since the fall of the USSR in 1991?

    Did Putin make a mistake by not invading Finland?
  807. @John Johnson
    @Sean

    I think Putin invaded the particulat country that he considered the priority for him and judgeing by the lack of attention given to Finland, Putin still considers it irellevant to the Ukraine problem, which remains the priority

    You're ignoring his speech and the reasons he gave for the invasion of Ukraine:

    “I am referring to the expansion of the NATO to the east, moving its military infrastructure closer to Russian borders. It is well known that for 30 years we have persistently and patiently tried to reach an agreement with the leading NATO countries on the principles of equal and inviolable security in Europe. In response to our proposals, we constantly faced either cynical deception and lies, or attempts to pressure and blackmail, while NATO, despite all our protests and concerns, continued to steadily expand. The war machine is moving and, I repeat, it is coming close to our borders.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/putins-speech-declaring-war-on-ukraine-translated-excerpts

    How would Finland be irrelevant when they share more border with Russia?

    He claimed the war was stopping the expansion of NATO to the East.

    Finland has joined which expanded NATO to the East. Is that a success or failure of Putin's clearly stated goal?

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/eb8e49c2d4e7fade5ddd63a24e6fadd6/3dbd5415b507c68e-64/s1280x1920/e07832e307b6c8feb9bfbd222ddea6fc4e61100c.jpg

    Replies: @Derer, @QCIC, @Sean

    Finland joining NATO looks like a setback but is much less important to Russia than Ukraine or Belarus. I assume some leaders in Finland recognize that Russia is giving Kiev the kid gloves treatment and realize that Helsinki will not be so fortunate. At some point in the not-so-distant future Finland will gradually decouple from NATO. This could take the form of a security agreement with the CIS which has some tension with their NATO obligations. This would make their NATO status ambiguous and maybe a bit like that of Turkey.

    Does Finland have anything which Russia wants or needs?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Finland joining NATO looks like a setback but is much less important to Russia than Ukraine or Belarus.

    Let's not speculate and instead read the words of Putin:
    I am referring to the expansion of the NATO to the east, moving its military infrastructure closer to Russian borders.

    He is saying the problem is geographical.

    Why exactly would Finland be much less important if they share more border with Russia?

    Since Finland only has 5.56 million people it seems that invading them would have been a better choice at stopping the Eastward expansion of NATO, don't you think? Especially given that Ukraine didn't qualify for NATO because of Donbas?

    Finland has always qualified so wouldn't that be a better target in hindsight at least?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack

    , @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    Does Finland have anything which Russia wants or needs?
     
    Swamps? There is plenty in neighboring Karelia. Timber? There is orders of magnitude more in Siberia. People? There is several times more in Moscow.

    This is wrong way of looking at it.

    Russia created Finnish state structures after wrestling Finland from Swedish overlords. Russian revolution made Finland’s independence possible. Russia let Finland escape WWII virtually unscathed, despite its alliance with Nazi Germany. As we all know, no good deed ever goes unpunished.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Beckow, @Jazman

  808. @sudden death
    @Sean


    Merkel on Monday defended her 2008 decision to block Ukraine from immediately joining NATO
     
    However those above aren't direct Merkel or her spkeswoman words in that article, but came just from some nameless ignorant journo, who might have finishing his kindergarten years in 2008, the only thing in the article that former German head said was this:

    But Merkel in a short statement issued by her spokeswoman said she "stands by her decisions in relation to the 2008 NATO summit in Bucharest".

    "In view of the atrocities uncovered in Bucha and other places in Ukraine, all efforts by the government and the international community to stand by Ukraine's side and to bring an end to Russia's barbarism and war against Ukraine have the former chancellor's full support," added the spokeswoman.
     

    To be perfectly sure, one might find the original Merkel standalone press release text, but me wasn't able to locate it on the net quickly.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Sean

    https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/ukraine-how-merkel-prevented-ukraine-s-nato-membership-a-der-spiegel-reconstruction-a-c7f03472-2a21-4e4e-b905-8e45f1fad542

    Long article that makes some interesting points including that Biden was in agreement with Bush and Rice about Ukraine becoming a member of Nato . Moreover, the Ukrainians generally and even those in the government were not all that keen on joining in 2008. So some of the more extreme neoconservatives around Bush influenced him and Rice into cajoling Kiev into agreeing to it, and Biden did not see the danger, although the Trump imbroglio over Ukraine and Biden’s son being given a million a year by Ukraine may have been a factor. The more fool the Ukrainians for not realising they were a pawn in someone else’s power game.

  809. @Derer
    @John Johnson


    Finland has joined which expanded NATO to the East.
     
    They succumbed to the whispers of the far away snake. It is called under duress. They lived happily with the communists neighbours for years. Now when the hated communist ideology is gone it is a hate of Russians - it must be the envy of their resources or their power. NATO exists only for the Washington sinister players (a specific politburo) who are lonely without attending the European club.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Finland has joined which expanded NATO to the East.

    Now when the hated communist ideology is gone it is a hate of Russians – it must be the envy of their resources or their power. NATO exists only for the Washington sinister players (a specific politburo) who are lonely without attending the European club.

    You believe the motivation is envy and hatred even though they were invited to join NATO since the fall of the USSR in 1991?

    Did Putin make a mistake by not invading Finland?

  810. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Finland joining NATO looks like a setback but is much less important to Russia than Ukraine or Belarus. I assume some leaders in Finland recognize that Russia is giving Kiev the kid gloves treatment and realize that Helsinki will not be so fortunate. At some point in the not-so-distant future Finland will gradually decouple from NATO. This could take the form of a security agreement with the CIS which has some tension with their NATO obligations. This would make their NATO status ambiguous and maybe a bit like that of Turkey.

    Does Finland have anything which Russia wants or needs?

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AnonfromTN

    Finland joining NATO looks like a setback but is much less important to Russia than Ukraine or Belarus.

    Let’s not speculate and instead read the words of Putin:
    I am referring to the expansion of the NATO to the east, moving its military infrastructure closer to Russian borders.

    He is saying the problem is geographical.

    Why exactly would Finland be much less important if they share more border with Russia?

    Since Finland only has 5.56 million people it seems that invading them would have been a better choice at stopping the Eastward expansion of NATO, don’t you think? Especially given that Ukraine didn’t qualify for NATO because of Donbas?

    Finland has always qualified so wouldn’t that be a better target in hindsight at least?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I recommend looking at the overall picture instead of one statement or another.

    Russian leaders have said many important things related to the SMO in Ukraine. These statements establish the context and foundation for whatever quotes of Putin you choose to highlight. Russia pointed out the first expansions of NATO beyond German reunification, the war in the Balkans, the trouble in Georgia, the USA missile sites in Eastern Europe as well as the nuclear arms control treaty issues are all directly related to why they are now fighting in Ukraine. Ukraine is important to Russia militarily, but the history between the two regions is also very significant. This shared Russian culture is why their attitudes toward Ukraine and Belarus are different from those toward the Baltic countries and Finland.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    Don't try to appeal to logic when dealing with these kremlin stooges, it just doesn't work. Just look at this strange creature QCIC (Queer Caustic Imbecilic Creature?) who goes to great lengths to try and cover for his pathological heroe. :-(

    Replies: @QCIC

  811. @John Johnson
    @Sean

    I think Putin invaded the particulat country that he considered the priority for him and judgeing by the lack of attention given to Finland, Putin still considers it irellevant to the Ukraine problem, which remains the priority

    You're ignoring his speech and the reasons he gave for the invasion of Ukraine:

    “I am referring to the expansion of the NATO to the east, moving its military infrastructure closer to Russian borders. It is well known that for 30 years we have persistently and patiently tried to reach an agreement with the leading NATO countries on the principles of equal and inviolable security in Europe. In response to our proposals, we constantly faced either cynical deception and lies, or attempts to pressure and blackmail, while NATO, despite all our protests and concerns, continued to steadily expand. The war machine is moving and, I repeat, it is coming close to our borders.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/putins-speech-declaring-war-on-ukraine-translated-excerpts

    How would Finland be irrelevant when they share more border with Russia?

    He claimed the war was stopping the expansion of NATO to the East.

    Finland has joined which expanded NATO to the East. Is that a success or failure of Putin's clearly stated goal?

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/eb8e49c2d4e7fade5ddd63a24e6fadd6/3dbd5415b507c68e-64/s1280x1920/e07832e307b6c8feb9bfbd222ddea6fc4e61100c.jpg

    Replies: @Derer, @QCIC, @Sean

    Finland has millions of ethnic Russians, hosts Russian military bases, and has long ago been identified as the ‘Heartland’ key to world domination in the work of the immensely influential geopolitical theorist Mackinder, eh? Putin’s use of brute force in 2014 to annex Crimea followed the man who was soon to be President of Ukraine saying he would evict the Russian bases from Crimea and a campaign for disestablishment of education in the Russian language. From that point on it was clear to all with eyes to see that Putin considered the fate of Ethic Russians (and Russian bases in Ukraine) to be a matter of war and peace. He had said as much to an startled conference with Westerners when he was a minor official in the office of the mayor of St Petersburg. he found that no one cared what he though or Russia wanted and the 2007 Munich security conference the Americans sitting in the front row were laughing at his speech complaining that the US missile bases in Eastern Europe showed America’s aim was to be the single centre of decision making and force. Perhaps their technology will eventually make them the ordering power of a unipolar world, but they are not there yet and ought to have expected a challenge, especially in Ukraine of all places.

  812. @Derer
    @German_reader


    since it’s pretty much impossible for any Ukrainian government to recognize those illegitimate annexations.
     
    For Russians the whole Ukraine annexation is legitimate...it was one country like Catalans in Spain. The borders within the Soviet Union should have been settled before the disintegration (Ukraine, Armenia, Kazakhstan). Unfortunately the drunken illiterate Yeltsin presided over that important historical moment with haste and without paying attention to ramification.

    The American Polak, Brzezinski gave Russians important hint on their relation with Ukraine: "Russia is superpower with Ukraine and without it is a minor power".

    Replies: @LondonBob, @Philip Owen

    Russia has a history of insincere border treaties with Ukraine, mostly under Yeltsin. There was one in 2003 under Putin.

    https://www.chathamhouse.org/2022/08/russias-longstanding-problem-ukraines-borders

  813. @QCIC
    @Philip Owen

    In the United States, employees of the military industrial complex tend to be very hawkish, even when any perceived threats are half a world away. I wonder if the equivalent folks in Russia have similar attitudes? For reference, this includes the aerospace and nuclear industries and many other sectors of the economy. Naturally it includes most of the military including active and retired service members and families, their friends and many related businesses. With this in mind it seems the SMO would have very strong support from at least half of the country. Many people who dislike the present government and power structure are still probably upset when Western-sponsored drone strikes are attempted on the Kremlin.

    I think the lack of empathy of our American Ukies is interesting. In a hypothetical alternate reality where something similar to the Ukraine mess happened on the USA border, the American military response would be absolutely draconian and most citizens would support it.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    In the case of people I know and worked with, they were not hawks. They did however, prefer a hawk on the US side. Bush was considered a great improvement over Clinton because he was predictable.

    Personally, I think Bush was the disaster that has led to the troubles of the modern world. (I would have been a Republican under Eisenhower, Nixon, even Regan and Bush I. Bush II, never.

    • Agree: Sean
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Philip Owen

    Have you read Whitney Webb's book?

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  814. @Gerard1234
    @AP


    Ukrainian military is a collection of a technological obsolete junk and operational concepts which are not suited for modern warfare.
     
    Comprehensively proven already you dipsh*t. Though understanding the sentiment behind "obsolete junk", he would be correct if talking solely ukrop war, but all those old weapons systems/equipment are capable of causing damage or preventing damage if used with western navigation systems, western equipment, western real-time intelligence data etc.

    This military is drowned in corruption, drugs, alcohol
     
    Is anybody even SERIOUSLY disputing this? Of course all 3 are at very high levels in the ukrop military. As you have zero family or friends or business connections with Banderastan (note I am generous in that I would have qualified you for this if you were doing the same like other American slimeballs - who appear to have only sponsored young, good looking, single Instagram-loving Lvov-types whores to move to the US since the SMO, but of course you haven't invited any ukrop in) then you would have no idea that every ukrop family is having complaints of at least one of these things. What Martyanov did not consider is that Drugs are used to get these psycho losers to fight in a specific way (kamikaze primarily) , with approval from higher up.

    Martyanov doesn't mention the drugs and alchol from the western mercs/sex tourists though....or the open corruption, mass money laundering scheme that is western politicians with their actions towards 404.

    Ukraine simple has NO scientific, industrial or military capacity to have this, nor has it access to that.
     
    Even for an extreme bimbo like you , this is dumb. The scientific, industrial capacity is entirely western . the military capacity is entirely western/soviet legacy . And LMAO - Grom , Oplot, Stunga (Javelin and NLAW embarrassing failures I should add), Bogdan, drones, even their own APC's. In 8, now 10 years - absurdly useless MIC.

    LDNR forces, despite being vastly outnumbered, have access to this, which they demonstrated in Debaltsevo, Ilovaisk and many other places where this so called “battle hardened” Ukie army ran like hell.
     
    Another indisputable fact

    Modern Armed Forces, and we are talking about Russia, wouldn’t even allow this so called army to see them–they will demolish all Ukrainian C4ISR first, especially C3, by stand-off weaponry and then cavalry will go in, with targets already shown and assigned on the level of company, or even platoon.
     
    As is obvious, a big part of that C4ISR, especially C3 is either completely western, located on or from western territory, or micro-managed by westerners. The cavalry did go in from Russia......and liberated , and secured access to several critical objects and liberate towns and cities. Where the most purely "Ukrainian" concentrated use of C4ISR was - surveillance and particularly human intelligence directed at the southern border with Crimea....of course failed abysmally and got annihilated. Here, Ukrainian human intelligence multi-year efforts would have been the dominant player ahead of western capabilities of course. It says alot about 404's C4ISR capabilities they got destroyed so quickly ( and insurgent efforts in that part close to zero, LOL)

    In the process of that southern operation making the SMO a definite victory immediately, only a clinically dead but on life-support Banderastan extending their own suffering for several more years. I suppose the Nazis are trying to follow the American principle of "fake it till you make it".....about the only "westernisation" 404 has done in 30 years, except for dressing like American police officers.

    Any direct involvement of Russia means one thing–the end of the junta in Kiev and disintegration of Ukraine, with LDNR forward forces rolling over Kreshatick within weeks.

     

    That statement according to Martyanov is of course accurate. LDNR did roll-over in Lugansk and Azov coast, part of Black Sea Coast you idiot. The junta is of course inept and there solely because the west pays the entire state budget, military, everything of the country - when about 2 billion dollars a year could have prevented the war they have committed more than 100 ( indirect costs probably 1500 already) times this amount to a parasitic fake state.

    As if you couldn't be any more of a dumb retard, Martyanov is talking about a situation like the Muhajadeen against the Soviets, Israel in the wars with Egypt and Arab states you idiot - the US helping , providing weapons, some (not all) funds....not a situation like this you cretin where the entire thing at strategic, operational level and tactical level is planned, enforced by westerners, as the VSU pussys are micromanaged by them. Embarassingly for the west, 404 - Russia using a very small force managed to operate successfully on 3 fronts and secure many key objectives.......with a fraction of the number for a whole country.......that the Nazis used for entire cities, even towns. Though western front deserves praise for bravery, skill etc........the facts are that not a single city or town had a serious battle (100000 fighting on either side) as the Nazis allowed them to take it.....but the Nazi scum while surrendering to them, fought the Soviets for every brick in nearly every city

    Sovok boomers, mediocre graduates with mediocre Soviet-era careers. Martyanov failed at life, ending up in the USA and working as some kind of high school math tutor.
     
    An amusing lie and projection of what you WANT to be true, as you are a sociopathic wackjob with huge problems, not the actual truth. I think under the other numerous sockpuppet accounts on numerous different Russian (english-language of course) sites from yourself - there is the same recycled lying garbage written at similar great people like Martyanov.

    Replies: @AP, @LondonBob, @Philip Owen

    Gerard making things up again.

  815. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Finland joining NATO looks like a setback but is much less important to Russia than Ukraine or Belarus.

    Let's not speculate and instead read the words of Putin:
    I am referring to the expansion of the NATO to the east, moving its military infrastructure closer to Russian borders.

    He is saying the problem is geographical.

    Why exactly would Finland be much less important if they share more border with Russia?

    Since Finland only has 5.56 million people it seems that invading them would have been a better choice at stopping the Eastward expansion of NATO, don't you think? Especially given that Ukraine didn't qualify for NATO because of Donbas?

    Finland has always qualified so wouldn't that be a better target in hindsight at least?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack

    I recommend looking at the overall picture instead of one statement or another.

    Russian leaders have said many important things related to the SMO in Ukraine. These statements establish the context and foundation for whatever quotes of Putin you choose to highlight. Russia pointed out the first expansions of NATO beyond German reunification, the war in the Balkans, the trouble in Georgia, the USA missile sites in Eastern Europe as well as the nuclear arms control treaty issues are all directly related to why they are now fighting in Ukraine. Ukraine is important to Russia militarily, but the history between the two regions is also very significant. This shared Russian culture is why their attitudes toward Ukraine and Belarus are different from those toward the Baltic countries and Finland.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    I recommend looking at the overall picture instead of one statement or another.

    You are saying we should not trust Putin's explanations for the war in his invasion speech?

    From a strategic point of view do you think it would have made sense to invade Finland first?

    Replies: @A123, @QCIC

  816. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Finland joining NATO looks like a setback but is much less important to Russia than Ukraine or Belarus. I assume some leaders in Finland recognize that Russia is giving Kiev the kid gloves treatment and realize that Helsinki will not be so fortunate. At some point in the not-so-distant future Finland will gradually decouple from NATO. This could take the form of a security agreement with the CIS which has some tension with their NATO obligations. This would make their NATO status ambiguous and maybe a bit like that of Turkey.

    Does Finland have anything which Russia wants or needs?

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AnonfromTN

    Does Finland have anything which Russia wants or needs?

    Swamps? There is plenty in neighboring Karelia. Timber? There is orders of magnitude more in Siberia. People? There is several times more in Moscow.

    This is wrong way of looking at it.

    Russia created Finnish state structures after wrestling Finland from Swedish overlords. Russian revolution made Finland’s independence possible. Russia let Finland escape WWII virtually unscathed, despite its alliance with Nazi Germany. As we all know, no good deed ever goes unpunished.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    Thanks.

    This was a preemptive rhetorical question for JJ.

    , @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...Russia created Finnish state structures after wrestling Finland from Swedish overlords. Russian revolution made Finland’s independence possible. Russia let Finland escape WWII virtually unscathed, despite its alliance with Nazi Germany.
     
    Finland was a colony of Sweden for 800 years, the language was suppressed and all upper classes were Swedes. It was Russia that made the modern existence of the Finnish nation possible - same applies to Estonians and Latvians who were non-existent peasant underclass until they became a part of Russia.

    Russia was ambitious and tried to streamline everything using the Russian language, but was too large and disorganized. The really hard national oppression was done by the Germans, Swedes, Danes, French, Turks...and by smaller eastern Euro nations whenever they could - most hated each other. Poles were among the worst, fortunately most of the time they were under someone so they couldn't do much crazy nationalism - they are trying to compensate now...:)

    Russia serves as a designated "baddie" for all European sins. In order to unify Europe there needs to be an enemy - preferably close by. So the narratives are being rewritten: colonialism? forget about the British-French-Spanish, focus on Russia. Nationalism? Again mainly Russia and pretend that Bolshies didn't exist. WW2? Euros are gradually blaming it also on Russia - but we are still in a transition where Germany-Russia are jointly blamed.

    It really doesn't matter. Euros bet wrong and are losing the war. All of this will look quite silly in a few years. Finland will blame it on the shapely crack-smoking bimbo girl PM - and it won't be true, but everyone will need a scapegoat.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Jazman
    @AnonfromTN

    Finland violating Paris peace treaty gives the Russia legal ground to terminate Finnish statehood.
    Without triggering Article 51 of UN Charter, because it doesn't apply to hostile nations clause.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  817. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @sudden death

    Have you read AK's The Z of History blog post?

    It looks to me like it's about 5X as long as it has to be. The writer might be channeling his inner Leo Tolstoy Ayn Rand.

    https://akarlin.com/the-z-of-history/

    I haven't gotten all the way through it but he does not seem to have anything like my own opinion on the impact of the Gaza Israel activities on the Ukraine Russia dispute.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @sudden death

    His comments on the inhabitated are good. I didn’t see it as an analogue for the coming war with Ukraine when I watched. It was though. The data is interesting. The FSB took over the government in February 2004. Mikhail Yuriev published “The Third Empire” in 2006 which was very much a scenario plan for 2014 and the present war. This film is also from that era. The political class must have been talking excitedly about a war with Ukraine for this to leak into the culture.

    He’s right. The future for the world is a Liberal Merchant Republic. It has been for the last 600 years since the Portugese started sailing into the deep ocean. The EU peace project has been the big winner since 1945. Brexit only strengthened it. China was edging that way until Xi.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Philip Owen

    Yuriev has an interesting resume. He cofounded American Ethane Company in 2018.

    The West had already shown its hand by 2006 when The Third Empire was published. US withdrawal from the ABM treaty occurred in 2001. Ten countries in Eastern Europe had been added to NATO before 2006. It is always worth remembering that NATO is fundamentally an anti-Russia military alliance. Three NATO countries have nuclear weapons.

  818. @A123
    @Beckow


    And what is this electoral ban on Trump? Are the junior school administrators now fully in charge of the greatest country that ever was?
     
    These came up via state (not federal) courts. They are for GOP primaries where Trump has a 100% chance of winning. And, the exclusion is either stayed or enjoined in every jurisdiction. Trump remains on every ballot.

    It is political theatre. Team Blue is performing for its Nazicrat base constituency, offending swing and independent voters along the way. Every one of these abuses makes MAGA Trump more appealing.

    It is a bit silly that SCOTUS has to waste time on this. Presumably they will find that the federal provision requires a federal conviction on the relevant acts. Not state convictions. Not federal accusations. That would nail the door shut on future shenanigans.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow

    …It is political theatre…That would nail the door shut on future shenanigans.

    Well, maybe. We understand it is mostly a theatre – but why do a theatre? It looks very bad around the world. You need to understand that the details are simply not communicable – too obscure for most people – and it looks very undemocratic.

    If a democracy suppresses the choice of 35-50% people – the rough minimal estimate of the Trump support – it is not a democracy. There is no way around it. If it is only a theatre and will be reversed, what if others around the world do similar theatre? And many who have been are now validated.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Beckow



    …It is political theatre…
     
    Well, maybe. We understand it is mostly a theatre – but why do a theatre?
     
    Brain dead zombies of SJW Globalism must be fed periodically, and the DNC has entrapped itself. By offering seemingly unlimited Bread & Circuses, the wild critters now demand to be fed more & more frequently. They are also becoming more vicious and turning on each other. The monster they created cannot be satiated.


    offending swing and independent voters along the way. Every one of these abuses makes MAGA Trump more appealing.
     
    It looks very bad around the world. You need to understand that the details are simply not communicable – too obscure for most people – and it looks very undemocratic
     
    I concur.

    And, that is my exact point. The extremists are becoming more extreme. This makes the DNC look worse both at home and abroad.

    The good news is that Trump remains on every primary ballot. 0% of MAGA voters have been disenfranchised. It is a legal case full of sound & fury signifying very little.


    It is a bit silly that SCOTUS has to waste time on this. Presumably they will find that the federal provision requires a federal conviction on the relevant acts. Not state convictions. Not federal accusations. That would nail the door shut on future shenanigans.
     
    If a democracy suppresses the choice of 35-50% people – the rough minimal estimate of the Trump support – it is not a democracy.
     
    I again concur.

    However, in this case everyone on every side understands that this will be scrapped by SCOTUS. At this point it is entirely sensationalist theatre, not a threat to democracy. Also, unless you believe in Nikki Haley, it is an effectively uncontested GOP primary.

    If this comes back in the general election with presidential candidates being thrown off contested ballots, that would be a threat to democracy. Fortunately, it looks like SCOTUS will nail the door shut on any future misconduct along those lines.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow, @John Johnson

  819. @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    Does Finland have anything which Russia wants or needs?
     
    Swamps? There is plenty in neighboring Karelia. Timber? There is orders of magnitude more in Siberia. People? There is several times more in Moscow.

    This is wrong way of looking at it.

    Russia created Finnish state structures after wrestling Finland from Swedish overlords. Russian revolution made Finland’s independence possible. Russia let Finland escape WWII virtually unscathed, despite its alliance with Nazi Germany. As we all know, no good deed ever goes unpunished.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Beckow, @Jazman

    Thanks.

    This was a preemptive rhetorical question for JJ.

  820. Control-f for “soy” on the rationalwiki article didn’t find anything.

    But I did notice Oliver Smith was linking to his own comments here, when citing the Karlin Community.

  821. @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    Does Finland have anything which Russia wants or needs?
     
    Swamps? There is plenty in neighboring Karelia. Timber? There is orders of magnitude more in Siberia. People? There is several times more in Moscow.

    This is wrong way of looking at it.

    Russia created Finnish state structures after wrestling Finland from Swedish overlords. Russian revolution made Finland’s independence possible. Russia let Finland escape WWII virtually unscathed, despite its alliance with Nazi Germany. As we all know, no good deed ever goes unpunished.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Beckow, @Jazman

    …Russia created Finnish state structures after wrestling Finland from Swedish overlords. Russian revolution made Finland’s independence possible. Russia let Finland escape WWII virtually unscathed, despite its alliance with Nazi Germany.

    Finland was a colony of Sweden for 800 years, the language was suppressed and all upper classes were Swedes. It was Russia that made the modern existence of the Finnish nation possible – same applies to Estonians and Latvians who were non-existent peasant underclass until they became a part of Russia.

    Russia was ambitious and tried to streamline everything using the Russian language, but was too large and disorganized. The really hard national oppression was done by the Germans, Swedes, Danes, French, Turks…and by smaller eastern Euro nations whenever they could – most hated each other. Poles were among the worst, fortunately most of the time they were under someone so they couldn’t do much crazy nationalism – they are trying to compensate now…:)

    Russia serves as a designated “baddie” for all European sins. In order to unify Europe there needs to be an enemy – preferably close by. So the narratives are being rewritten: colonialism? forget about the British-French-Spanish, focus on Russia. Nationalism? Again mainly Russia and pretend that Bolshies didn’t exist. WW2? Euros are gradually blaming it also on Russia – but we are still in a transition where Germany-Russia are jointly blamed.

    It really doesn’t matter. Euros bet wrong and are losing the war. All of this will look quite silly in a few years. Finland will blame it on the shapely crack-smoking bimbo girl PM – and it won’t be true, but everyone will need a scapegoat.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    It really doesn’t matter.
     
    That’s the key point. What Europeans think matters very little with the US overlords in place, and will matter even less when the US is cut down to size. Europeans either don’t realize, or at least pretend not to realize this, but what they do or do not realize doesn’t matter, either. And it won’t matter what broads or morons they blame for the inevitable.
  822. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I recommend looking at the overall picture instead of one statement or another.

    Russian leaders have said many important things related to the SMO in Ukraine. These statements establish the context and foundation for whatever quotes of Putin you choose to highlight. Russia pointed out the first expansions of NATO beyond German reunification, the war in the Balkans, the trouble in Georgia, the USA missile sites in Eastern Europe as well as the nuclear arms control treaty issues are all directly related to why they are now fighting in Ukraine. Ukraine is important to Russia militarily, but the history between the two regions is also very significant. This shared Russian culture is why their attitudes toward Ukraine and Belarus are different from those toward the Baltic countries and Finland.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I recommend looking at the overall picture instead of one statement or another.

    You are saying we should not trust Putin’s explanations for the war in his invasion speech?

    From a strategic point of view do you think it would have made sense to invade Finland first?

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson


    You are saying we should not trust Putin’s explanations for the war in his invasion speech?
     
    The problem is you are taking one set of words at a specific date, and are over relying on it. You have done it so many times you come across like this:

    ---- On the ONE DAY Putin SPOKE. ----
    -- His WORDS, the ONE SPEECH, became engraved on the FUNDAMENT of the UNIVERSE. --
    -- According to the annointed prophet, John Johnson, no other WORDS before or after have meaning. --
    -- The ONE SPEECH is immutable. --
    -- Yea... Verily... The WORDS spoken on that DAY shall outlive; the Death of planets; the Death of stars, and perhaps even; the Death of TIME itself. --
    -- The ONE SPEECH by Putin is ETERNAL and IMMUTABLE. --
    -- So sayeth the prophet John Johnson --

    A more balanced approach would be stepping back to look at situation as a whole.

    Putin does not have exactly what was set forth in the ONE SPEECH. However, he does have something he perceives as better, or at least equivalent.

    Your proposition that Putin "failed" because he "won differently" than originally planned is internally dysfunctional as a construct.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Use all relevant knowledge to interpret a speech as potentially world changing as Putin's "invasion speech." Looking at the full context his claims make sense and seem geopolitically legitimate.

    It makes no military sense for Russia to invade Finland. There is no Crimea and Donbas or anything close. The Finns do not appear to be irrationally polarized like the Ukrainians. However, if Finland decides to support NATO-sponsored attacks against Russia I believe they will regret it. I do believe the Russians have been preparing for other fronts in the war the west is waging.

    Finland has made a pact with the devil. They may be asked to build missile sites to threaten both Saint Petersburg and strategic installations in far Northwest Russia. I hope they can get out of this pact before they are trapped.

  823. @Philip Owen
    @QCIC

    In the case of people I know and worked with, they were not hawks. They did however, prefer a hawk on the US side. Bush was considered a great improvement over Clinton because he was predictable.

    Personally, I think Bush was the disaster that has led to the troubles of the modern world. (I would have been a Republican under Eisenhower, Nixon, even Regan and Bush I. Bush II, never.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Have you read Whitney Webb’s book?

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    No. Title?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  824. @Beckow
    @A123


    ...It is political theatre...That would nail the door shut on future shenanigans.
     
    Well, maybe. We understand it is mostly a theatre - but why do a theatre? It looks very bad around the world. You need to understand that the details are simply not communicable - too obscure for most people - and it looks very undemocratic.

    If a democracy suppresses the choice of 35-50% people - the rough minimal estimate of the Trump support - it is not a democracy. There is no way around it. If it is only a theatre and will be reversed, what if others around the world do similar theatre? And many who have been are now validated.

    Replies: @A123

    …It is political theatre…

    Well, maybe. We understand it is mostly a theatre – but why do a theatre?

    Brain dead zombies of SJW Globalism must be fed periodically, and the DNC has entrapped itself. By offering seemingly unlimited Bread & Circuses, the wild critters now demand to be fed more & more frequently. They are also becoming more vicious and turning on each other. The monster they created cannot be satiated.

    offending swing and independent voters along the way. Every one of these abuses makes MAGA Trump more appealing.

    It looks very bad around the world. You need to understand that the details are simply not communicable – too obscure for most people – and it looks very undemocratic

    I concur.

    And, that is my exact point. The extremists are becoming more extreme. This makes the DNC look worse both at home and abroad.

    The good news is that Trump remains on every primary ballot. 0% of MAGA voters have been disenfranchised. It is a legal case full of sound & fury signifying very little.

    It is a bit silly that SCOTUS has to waste time on this. Presumably they will find that the federal provision requires a federal conviction on the relevant acts. Not state convictions. Not federal accusations. That would nail the door shut on future shenanigans.

    If a democracy suppresses the choice of 35-50% people – the rough minimal estimate of the Trump support – it is not a democracy.

    I again concur.

    However, in this case everyone on every side understands that this will be scrapped by SCOTUS. At this point it is entirely sensationalist theatre, not a threat to democracy. Also, unless you believe in Nikki Haley, it is an effectively uncontested GOP primary.

    If this comes back in the general election with presidential candidates being thrown off contested ballots, that would be a threat to democracy. Fortunately, it looks like SCOTUS will nail the door shut on any future misconduct along those lines.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @A123


    ...a legal case full of sound & fury signifying very little.
     
    You are probably right that it will blow over. I scan NY Times (painful!) and they have moderated in the last 6 months - an occasional mad outburst, but there is clearly a directed effort to scale it back. (Ohh, the beauty of modern "free press" - wouldn't it be easier to just allow real freedom? now it so much silent management, hints, indirection, quiet "briefings"...)

    There is a rule of thumb that systems collapse when they break the core principles they were built on: Rome was built on military power, once Romans were unwilling to fight it was over. Medieval Church was built on adherence to morality - when Borgia popes started to openly screw their nieces it ended. Communism was based on maintaining equality - it couldn't survive the acquisitive urges of the latter-day market-commies.

    When the American system based on freedom of speech and on sound money and wealth throws those principles over-board in a fit of mad over-reach it may signify something.

    It is not "100%" that it will be corrected - it could be a mushy, half-ass compromise to make sure the Orange-man is gone. Then what?

    Replies: @A123

    , @John Johnson
    @A123

    If this comes back in the general election with presidential candidates being thrown off contested ballots, that would be a threat to democracy. Fortunately, it looks like SCOTUS will nail the door shut on any future misconduct along those lines.

    Will you endorse Trump if he is in prison?

  825. @Philip Owen
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    His comments on the inhabitated are good. I didn't see it as an analogue for the coming war with Ukraine when I watched. It was though. The data is interesting. The FSB took over the government in February 2004. Mikhail Yuriev published "The Third Empire" in 2006 which was very much a scenario plan for 2014 and the present war. This film is also from that era. The political class must have been talking excitedly about a war with Ukraine for this to leak into the culture.

    He's right. The future for the world is a Liberal Merchant Republic. It has been for the last 600 years since the Portugese started sailing into the deep ocean. The EU peace project has been the big winner since 1945. Brexit only strengthened it. China was edging that way until Xi.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Yuriev has an interesting resume. He cofounded American Ethane Company in 2018.

    The West had already shown its hand by 2006 when The Third Empire was published. US withdrawal from the ABM treaty occurred in 2001. Ten countries in Eastern Europe had been added to NATO before 2006. It is always worth remembering that NATO is fundamentally an anti-Russia military alliance. Three NATO countries have nuclear weapons.

  826. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    I recommend looking at the overall picture instead of one statement or another.

    You are saying we should not trust Putin's explanations for the war in his invasion speech?

    From a strategic point of view do you think it would have made sense to invade Finland first?

    Replies: @A123, @QCIC

    You are saying we should not trust Putin’s explanations for the war in his invasion speech?

    The problem is you are taking one set of words at a specific date, and are over relying on it. You have done it so many times you come across like this:

    —- On the ONE DAY Putin SPOKE. —-
    — His WORDS, the ONE SPEECH, became engraved on the FUNDAMENT of the UNIVERSE. —
    — According to the annointed prophet, John Johnson, no other WORDS before or after have meaning. —
    — The ONE SPEECH is immutable. —
    — Yea… Verily… The WORDS spoken on that DAY shall outlive; the Death of planets; the Death of stars, and perhaps even; the Death of TIME itself. —
    — The ONE SPEECH by Putin is ETERNAL and IMMUTABLE. —
    — So sayeth the prophet John Johnson —

    A more balanced approach would be stepping back to look at situation as a whole.

    Putin does not have exactly what was set forth in the ONE SPEECH. However, he does have something he perceives as better, or at least equivalent.

    Your proposition that Putin “failed” because he “won differently” than originally planned is internally dysfunctional as a construct.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123


    You are saying we should not trust Putin’s explanations for the war in his invasion speech?
     
    The problem is you are taking one set of words at a specific date, and are over relying on it. You have done it so many times you come across like this:

    The date is indeed specific because it is the day that he gave his speech that outlined his reasons for the war. Reasons that I quoted directly and yet amusingly you seem to think I am the problem for quoting him.

    Your proposition that Putin “failed” because he “won differently” than originally planned is internally dysfunctional as a construct.

    You are you saying we should ignore the very clear goals of his invasion speech and measure the war by different means?

    Replies: @A123

  827. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    I recommend looking at the overall picture instead of one statement or another.

    You are saying we should not trust Putin's explanations for the war in his invasion speech?

    From a strategic point of view do you think it would have made sense to invade Finland first?

    Replies: @A123, @QCIC

    Use all relevant knowledge to interpret a speech as potentially world changing as Putin’s “invasion speech.” Looking at the full context his claims make sense and seem geopolitically legitimate.

    It makes no military sense for Russia to invade Finland. There is no Crimea and Donbas or anything close. The Finns do not appear to be irrationally polarized like the Ukrainians. However, if Finland decides to support NATO-sponsored attacks against Russia I believe they will regret it. I do believe the Russians have been preparing for other fronts in the war the west is waging.

    Finland has made a pact with the devil. They may be asked to build missile sites to threaten both Saint Petersburg and strategic installations in far Northwest Russia. I hope they can get out of this pact before they are trapped.

  828. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...Russia created Finnish state structures after wrestling Finland from Swedish overlords. Russian revolution made Finland’s independence possible. Russia let Finland escape WWII virtually unscathed, despite its alliance with Nazi Germany.
     
    Finland was a colony of Sweden for 800 years, the language was suppressed and all upper classes were Swedes. It was Russia that made the modern existence of the Finnish nation possible - same applies to Estonians and Latvians who were non-existent peasant underclass until they became a part of Russia.

    Russia was ambitious and tried to streamline everything using the Russian language, but was too large and disorganized. The really hard national oppression was done by the Germans, Swedes, Danes, French, Turks...and by smaller eastern Euro nations whenever they could - most hated each other. Poles were among the worst, fortunately most of the time they were under someone so they couldn't do much crazy nationalism - they are trying to compensate now...:)

    Russia serves as a designated "baddie" for all European sins. In order to unify Europe there needs to be an enemy - preferably close by. So the narratives are being rewritten: colonialism? forget about the British-French-Spanish, focus on Russia. Nationalism? Again mainly Russia and pretend that Bolshies didn't exist. WW2? Euros are gradually blaming it also on Russia - but we are still in a transition where Germany-Russia are jointly blamed.

    It really doesn't matter. Euros bet wrong and are losing the war. All of this will look quite silly in a few years. Finland will blame it on the shapely crack-smoking bimbo girl PM - and it won't be true, but everyone will need a scapegoat.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    It really doesn’t matter.

    That’s the key point. What Europeans think matters very little with the US overlords in place, and will matter even less when the US is cut down to size. Europeans either don’t realize, or at least pretend not to realize this, but what they do or do not realize doesn’t matter, either. And it won’t matter what broads or morons they blame for the inevitable.

  829. Since 1991 not a single metro station was built in Kiev. Last December six stations on the “blue” metro line in Kiev were flooded and thus taken out of commission. Now the streets in some areas of Kiev are flooded.

    However, Kiev mayor Klitchko is apparently not as dumb as you’d think listening to him: he owns a $6 million mansion in Hamburg. So, he is way smarter than morons who voted for him.

    • Replies: @Jazman
    @AnonfromTN

    The capital of Ukraine is drowning in shit and it's because the God damn Russians stole all their toilets!

    , @AnonfromTN
    @AnonfromTN

    Additional vignette: today’s “flood” in Kiev is actually from the sewer main that burst. Flooded several streets and parkes cars. Considering that the temperature in Kiev is -11 degrees centigrade, by morning it might all freeze. But look on the bright side: frozen shit won’t smell as bad.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Since 1991 not a single metro station was built in Kiev

     

    This summarizes your “knowledge” about Ukraine: since 2000 7 new metro stations were built. You are one the most clueless people out there when writing about Ukraine. But don’t worry: some dumb Serbs will believe you.

    This station on the Kiev metro opened in 2012:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipodrom_(Kyiv_Metro)

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Ipodrom_station_%28Kiev_metro%29.JPG

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

  830. @A123
    @John Johnson


    You are saying we should not trust Putin’s explanations for the war in his invasion speech?
     
    The problem is you are taking one set of words at a specific date, and are over relying on it. You have done it so many times you come across like this:

    ---- On the ONE DAY Putin SPOKE. ----
    -- His WORDS, the ONE SPEECH, became engraved on the FUNDAMENT of the UNIVERSE. --
    -- According to the annointed prophet, John Johnson, no other WORDS before or after have meaning. --
    -- The ONE SPEECH is immutable. --
    -- Yea... Verily... The WORDS spoken on that DAY shall outlive; the Death of planets; the Death of stars, and perhaps even; the Death of TIME itself. --
    -- The ONE SPEECH by Putin is ETERNAL and IMMUTABLE. --
    -- So sayeth the prophet John Johnson --

    A more balanced approach would be stepping back to look at situation as a whole.

    Putin does not have exactly what was set forth in the ONE SPEECH. However, he does have something he perceives as better, or at least equivalent.

    Your proposition that Putin "failed" because he "won differently" than originally planned is internally dysfunctional as a construct.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    You are saying we should not trust Putin’s explanations for the war in his invasion speech?

    The problem is you are taking one set of words at a specific date, and are over relying on it. You have done it so many times you come across like this:

    The date is indeed specific because it is the day that he gave his speech that outlined his reasons for the war. Reasons that I quoted directly and yet amusingly you seem to think I am the problem for quoting him.

    Your proposition that Putin “failed” because he “won differently” than originally planned is internally dysfunctional as a construct.

    You are you saying we should ignore the very clear goals of his invasion speech and measure the war by different means?

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson



    Your proposition that Putin “failed” because he “won differently” than originally planned is internally dysfunctional as a construct.
     
    You are you saying we should ignore the very clear goals of his invasion speech and measure the war by different means?
     
    One does not "ignore" a snapshot in time. However, one does need to realize it is a single glimpse into a larger, flexible political dynamic. Politicians say different thing to different audiences all the time.
    ___

    If you really mean what you say:

    • Why do you think the ONE SPEECH is ETERNAL and IMMUTABLE?
    • Why does the ONE SPEECH negate all words before or after?
    • Why is the ONE SPEECH not an earlier version? Or, a later one?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

  831. @John Johnson
    @A123


    You are saying we should not trust Putin’s explanations for the war in his invasion speech?
     
    The problem is you are taking one set of words at a specific date, and are over relying on it. You have done it so many times you come across like this:

    The date is indeed specific because it is the day that he gave his speech that outlined his reasons for the war. Reasons that I quoted directly and yet amusingly you seem to think I am the problem for quoting him.

    Your proposition that Putin “failed” because he “won differently” than originally planned is internally dysfunctional as a construct.

    You are you saying we should ignore the very clear goals of his invasion speech and measure the war by different means?

    Replies: @A123

    Your proposition that Putin “failed” because he “won differently” than originally planned is internally dysfunctional as a construct.

    You are you saying we should ignore the very clear goals of his invasion speech and measure the war by different means?

    One does not “ignore” a snapshot in time. However, one does need to realize it is a single glimpse into a larger, flexible political dynamic. Politicians say different thing to different audiences all the time.
    ___

    If you really mean what you say:

    • Why do you think the ONE SPEECH is ETERNAL and IMMUTABLE?
    • Why does the ONE SPEECH negate all words before or after?
    • Why is the ONE SPEECH not an earlier version? Or, a later one?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    One does not “ignore” a snapshot in time. However, one does need to realize it is a single glimpse into a larger, flexible political dynamic. Politicians say different thing to different audiences all the time.

    It is not a random snapshot of Putin talking. It is a speech where he addresses the Russian people and clearly states why he invaded Ukraine.

    There is an issue here of basic accountability.

    If Biden declared war on another country, gave a speech to America and outlined the reasons and goals for the war, should those goals then be ignored because politicians talk all the time? You would consider that speech to be just be a random snapshot of Biden blabbing?

    Why is the ONE SPEECH not an earlier version? Or, a later one?

    There isn't an earlier one. It was his invasion speech.

    Do you realize how illogical this all is? Would you accept this explanation in business:

    The corporation's CEO stated that his previously outlined goals of the acquisition should be ignored. Though he did not meet the goals he insists that the speech was merely a snapshot in time. Instead he would like everyone to note the newer goals in an updated speech which describes how the investment is in fact a success.

    Replies: @A123

  832. @A123
    @John Johnson



    Your proposition that Putin “failed” because he “won differently” than originally planned is internally dysfunctional as a construct.
     
    You are you saying we should ignore the very clear goals of his invasion speech and measure the war by different means?
     
    One does not "ignore" a snapshot in time. However, one does need to realize it is a single glimpse into a larger, flexible political dynamic. Politicians say different thing to different audiences all the time.
    ___

    If you really mean what you say:

    • Why do you think the ONE SPEECH is ETERNAL and IMMUTABLE?
    • Why does the ONE SPEECH negate all words before or after?
    • Why is the ONE SPEECH not an earlier version? Or, a later one?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    One does not “ignore” a snapshot in time. However, one does need to realize it is a single glimpse into a larger, flexible political dynamic. Politicians say different thing to different audiences all the time.

    It is not a random snapshot of Putin talking. It is a speech where he addresses the Russian people and clearly states why he invaded Ukraine.

    There is an issue here of basic accountability.

    If Biden declared war on another country, gave a speech to America and outlined the reasons and goals for the war, should those goals then be ignored because politicians talk all the time? You would consider that speech to be just be a random snapshot of Biden blabbing?

    Why is the ONE SPEECH not an earlier version? Or, a later one?

    There isn’t an earlier one. It was his invasion speech.

    Do you realize how illogical this all is? Would you accept this explanation in business:

    The corporation’s CEO stated that his previously outlined goals of the acquisition should be ignored. Though he did not meet the goals he insists that the speech was merely a snapshot in time. Instead he would like everyone to note the newer goals in an updated speech which describes how the investment is in fact a success.

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson


    Do you realize how illogical this all is? Would you accept this explanation in business:

    The corporation’s CEO stated that his previously outlined goals of the acquisition should be ignored. Though he did not meet the goals he insists that the speech was merely a snapshot in time. Instead he would like everyone to note the newer goals in an updated speech which describes how the investment is in fact a success.
     
    If the newer goal included having 100% physical ownership of a "land bridge" that is 100x, even 1000x, times more valuable than the original goal... Absolutely.

    Consider Amazon as a case study in a business pivoting repeatedly from their original goal as an online book store. Did Amazon "fail" by:

    • Expanding to other products? No.
    • Offering a market place to other sellers? No.
    • Launching Amazon Web Services [AWS]? No.

    AWS accounts for over 50% revenue and 67%+ of profits. All of that winning would never have happened had Bezos had been ETERNALLY and IMMUTABLY locked into ONE SPEECH about being a book seller. The book idea was good, but AWS is a much larger $$$ victory.

    Political leaders and business leaders, for example both Bezos and Putin, win by being flexible and taking the gains that are available.

    PEACE 😇
  833. @AnonfromTN
    Since 1991 not a single metro station was built in Kiev. Last December six stations on the “blue” metro line in Kiev were flooded and thus taken out of commission. Now the streets in some areas of Kiev are flooded.

    However, Kiev mayor Klitchko is apparently not as dumb as you’d think listening to him: he owns a $6 million mansion in Hamburg. So, he is way smarter than morons who voted for him.

    Replies: @Jazman, @AnonfromTN, @AP

    The capital of Ukraine is drowning in shit and it’s because the God damn Russians stole all their toilets!

  834. @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    Does Finland have anything which Russia wants or needs?
     
    Swamps? There is plenty in neighboring Karelia. Timber? There is orders of magnitude more in Siberia. People? There is several times more in Moscow.

    This is wrong way of looking at it.

    Russia created Finnish state structures after wrestling Finland from Swedish overlords. Russian revolution made Finland’s independence possible. Russia let Finland escape WWII virtually unscathed, despite its alliance with Nazi Germany. As we all know, no good deed ever goes unpunished.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Beckow, @Jazman

    Finland violating Paris peace treaty gives the Russia legal ground to terminate Finnish statehood.
    Without triggering Article 51 of UN Charter, because it doesn’t apply to hostile nations clause.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Jazman


    gives the Russia legal ground to terminate Finnish statehood.
     
    Maybe if Russia needed Finland for anything. But it does not. The hell has no fury like a country scorned. That explains Baltic micro-states, too.
  835. @John Johnson
    @LondonBob

    Diehard is surprisingly subversive. All the good guys are black, the old Hollywood black and whites are best buddies theme, beloved of the eighties, from Argyll the limo driver, to the black patrolman. The only black guy who is a bad guy is the computer whizz, the jerks are all white from the reporter, to the sleazy co-worker, to the German villains. The super star Japanese boss was, of course, interned during the war.

    Don't forget that his only friend is the average Black cop on the beat.

    Seems like another day in America. German super terrorists using their Black computer hacker to steal corporate bonds. And to think some of you assholes are convinced Hollywood has some type of racial agenda.

    I don't see why people like watching this movie at Christmas. Sure it is fun the first time but with repeated viewings you notice a lot of plot holes.

    Why did they do all of this during the Christmas party? Why not kidnap the exec at his house or when the Christmas party is over? How about posing as some type of business interest?

    Whoever wrote the script really wanted a Christmas kidnapping story and then added everything else. It all just feels so concocted. They're German terrorists with AUGs....no wait....actually they just used that as a cover... they're bankrobbers! ..... what? They just wanted money? Not adding up.

    Replies: @songbird

    German super terrorists using their Black computer hacker

    But it was believable because he was wearing glasses.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @songbird

    LOL well the glasses do sell the look. However most Black nerds I have seen were fat or had that weird middle hairline that Blacks seem to get.

    It doesn't bother me if Hollywood wants to try and use contrasted stereotypes in certain fields in fictional movies but I really get annoyed when they mess with history.

    The Chernobyl HBO series not only made up a female scientist but made her integral in saving Western Europe from radiation.
    https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5cf6da70cab4ead158e7152b/master/pass/Gessen-Chernobyl-2.jpg

    The explanation (not stated in the series) was that she represented all the scientists that helped.

    Someone should make a movie about MLK with the same explanation. Insert a White guy next to King and make him integral to everything. Then admit he doesn't exist but represents all the people that helped.

    Replies: @LondonBob

  836. There is something fascinating about both Putin and Hitler defenders in that they will go to great lengths to try and explain their behaviors. They have this abused ex-girlfriend outlook where there really want to believe their man isn’t so bad and was pushed into breaking the law…multiple times. Pointing out all the illogical inconsistencies only creates more explanations. Well you see he was only angry because they kept harassing them. If they didn’t pull him over for something stupid then he wouldn’t have hit them. And that was the second time they did it.

    They don’t seem to reach a level where they stop and think well maybe he is an asshole but I like him anyways.

    They rarely take the Anglin position whereby the don’t bother with PR work for the dictator. Anglin would laugh at the idea of bothering to hold Putin to anything. Why bother? Anglin knows his devil and likes him for it.

    I really wonder if genetics are at play. Is there a “but muh dictator is good” gene? Big man gene leftover from tribal days? Or does it just take a straight up sociopath like Anglin to shrug and move on?

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @songbird
    @John Johnson

    Just a suggestion: for Lent, try giving up saying "Putin" or "Hitler." Maybe, go retro and substitute "Old Boney:"


    The earliest idea I had of Napoleon was that of a huge ogre or giant, with one large flaming red eye in the middle of his forehead, and long teeth protruding from his mouth, with which he tore to pieces and devoured naughty little girls, especially those who did not know their lessons.
     

    Bonaparte had just escaped from Elba, and Miss Frounce, like an admirable politician, took advantage of this important event to overawe the ‘young gentlemen from three to eight’ who were under her guidance. On all occasions, Bonaparte was held up as the great bugbear, and there was not a boy in the school who was not firmly convinced that Miss Frounce had Napoleon under her thumb – that, in fact, if any of ‘the young gentlemen’ should prove refractory, Miss Frounce had it in her power to send for Bony with as much facility as she could order the sweeps or the dustman. If a boy, when spelling, knocked an i out of the word annihilate, he was threatened with being handed over to the tender mercies of Bonaparte; and every one of the pupils of Miss Frounce felt assured that, if Napoleon invaded England, he would knock at the door of the ‘establishment for young gentleman from three to eight’ the very morning after his arrival.
     
    https://shannonselin.com/2016/09/boney-bogeyman/
  837. @John Johnson
    @A123

    One does not “ignore” a snapshot in time. However, one does need to realize it is a single glimpse into a larger, flexible political dynamic. Politicians say different thing to different audiences all the time.

    It is not a random snapshot of Putin talking. It is a speech where he addresses the Russian people and clearly states why he invaded Ukraine.

    There is an issue here of basic accountability.

    If Biden declared war on another country, gave a speech to America and outlined the reasons and goals for the war, should those goals then be ignored because politicians talk all the time? You would consider that speech to be just be a random snapshot of Biden blabbing?

    Why is the ONE SPEECH not an earlier version? Or, a later one?

    There isn't an earlier one. It was his invasion speech.

    Do you realize how illogical this all is? Would you accept this explanation in business:

    The corporation's CEO stated that his previously outlined goals of the acquisition should be ignored. Though he did not meet the goals he insists that the speech was merely a snapshot in time. Instead he would like everyone to note the newer goals in an updated speech which describes how the investment is in fact a success.

    Replies: @A123

    Do you realize how illogical this all is? Would you accept this explanation in business:

    The corporation’s CEO stated that his previously outlined goals of the acquisition should be ignored. Though he did not meet the goals he insists that the speech was merely a snapshot in time. Instead he would like everyone to note the newer goals in an updated speech which describes how the investment is in fact a success.

    If the newer goal included having 100% physical ownership of a “land bridge” that is 100x, even 1000x, times more valuable than the original goal… Absolutely.

    Consider Amazon as a case study in a business pivoting repeatedly from their original goal as an online book store. Did Amazon “fail” by:

    • Expanding to other products? No.
    • Offering a market place to other sellers? No.
    • Launching Amazon Web Services [AWS]? No.

    AWS accounts for over 50% revenue and 67%+ of profits. All of that winning would never have happened had Bezos had been ETERNALLY and IMMUTABLY locked into ONE SPEECH about being a book seller. The book idea was good, but AWS is a much larger $$$ victory.

    Political leaders and business leaders, for example both Bezos and Putin, win by being flexible and taking the gains that are available.

    PEACE 😇

  838. @songbird
    @John Johnson


    German super terrorists using their Black computer hacker

     

    But it was believable because he was wearing glasses.

    https://youtu.be/Zi5Xmi_tFZU?si=gpV2lmPcdPC5pQGI
    https://youtu.be/sLMRh62sazs?si=dPyrmlF_x5HWsnSA

    Replies: @John Johnson

    LOL well the glasses do sell the look. However most Black nerds I have seen were fat or had that weird middle hairline that Blacks seem to get.

    It doesn’t bother me if Hollywood wants to try and use contrasted stereotypes in certain fields in fictional movies but I really get annoyed when they mess with history.

    The Chernobyl HBO series not only made up a female scientist but made her integral in saving Western Europe from radiation.
    The explanation (not stated in the series) was that she represented all the scientists that helped.

    Someone should make a movie about MLK with the same explanation. Insert a White guy next to King and make him integral to everything. Then admit he doesn’t exist but represents all the people that helped.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @John Johnson

    Stanley Levison wasn't white, but he was integral to 'MLK'.

  839. @John Johnson
    There is something fascinating about both Putin and Hitler defenders in that they will go to great lengths to try and explain their behaviors. They have this abused ex-girlfriend outlook where there really want to believe their man isn't so bad and was pushed into breaking the law...multiple times. Pointing out all the illogical inconsistencies only creates more explanations. Well you see he was only angry because they kept harassing them. If they didn't pull him over for something stupid then he wouldn't have hit them. And that was the second time they did it.

    They don't seem to reach a level where they stop and think well maybe he is an asshole but I like him anyways.

    They rarely take the Anglin position whereby the don't bother with PR work for the dictator. Anglin would laugh at the idea of bothering to hold Putin to anything. Why bother? Anglin knows his devil and likes him for it.

    I really wonder if genetics are at play. Is there a "but muh dictator is good" gene? Big man gene leftover from tribal days? Or does it just take a straight up sociopath like Anglin to shrug and move on?

    Replies: @songbird

    Just a suggestion: for Lent, try giving up saying “Putin” or “Hitler.” Maybe, go retro and substitute “Old Boney:”

    The earliest idea I had of Napoleon was that of a huge ogre or giant, with one large flaming red eye in the middle of his forehead, and long teeth protruding from his mouth, with which he tore to pieces and devoured naughty little girls, especially those who did not know their lessons.

    [MORE]

    Bonaparte had just escaped from Elba, and Miss Frounce, like an admirable politician, took advantage of this important event to overawe the ‘young gentlemen from three to eight’ who were under her guidance. On all occasions, Bonaparte was held up as the great bugbear, and there was not a boy in the school who was not firmly convinced that Miss Frounce had Napoleon under her thumb – that, in fact, if any of ‘the young gentlemen’ should prove refractory, Miss Frounce had it in her power to send for Bony with as much facility as she could order the sweeps or the dustman. If a boy, when spelling, knocked an i out of the word annihilate, he was threatened with being handed over to the tender mercies of Bonaparte; and every one of the pupils of Miss Frounce felt assured that, if Napoleon invaded England, he would knock at the door of the ‘establishment for young gentleman from three to eight’ the very morning after his arrival.

    https://shannonselin.com/2016/09/boney-bogeyman/

  840. @AnonfromTN
    Since 1991 not a single metro station was built in Kiev. Last December six stations on the “blue” metro line in Kiev were flooded and thus taken out of commission. Now the streets in some areas of Kiev are flooded.

    However, Kiev mayor Klitchko is apparently not as dumb as you’d think listening to him: he owns a $6 million mansion in Hamburg. So, he is way smarter than morons who voted for him.

    Replies: @Jazman, @AnonfromTN, @AP

    Additional vignette: today’s “flood” in Kiev is actually from the sewer main that burst. Flooded several streets and parkes cars. Considering that the temperature in Kiev is -11 degrees centigrade, by morning it might all freeze. But look on the bright side: frozen shit won’t smell as bad.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    But look on the bright side: frozen shit won’t smell as bad.
     
    I don't follow? Do you find yourelf in Kyiv right now?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  841. @Jazman
    @AnonfromTN

    Finland violating Paris peace treaty gives the Russia legal ground to terminate Finnish statehood.
    Without triggering Article 51 of UN Charter, because it doesn't apply to hostile nations clause.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    gives the Russia legal ground to terminate Finnish statehood.

    Maybe if Russia needed Finland for anything. But it does not. The hell has no fury like a country scorned. That explains Baltic micro-states, too.

  842. @LondonBob
    @Derer

    The Russians did raise the issue of Crimea and the Donbass at the time.

    https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/02/a-not-so-brief-history-of-crimea.html

    If I remember correctly the US threatened to withhold aid, including grain, if the Russians didn't back down.

    Replies: @Derer

    Russia is grain exporter.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Derer

    Today, not in the early nineties.

  843. @Derer
    @LondonBob

    Russia is grain exporter.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Today, not in the early nineties.

  844. @John Johnson
    @songbird

    LOL well the glasses do sell the look. However most Black nerds I have seen were fat or had that weird middle hairline that Blacks seem to get.

    It doesn't bother me if Hollywood wants to try and use contrasted stereotypes in certain fields in fictional movies but I really get annoyed when they mess with history.

    The Chernobyl HBO series not only made up a female scientist but made her integral in saving Western Europe from radiation.
    https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5cf6da70cab4ead158e7152b/master/pass/Gessen-Chernobyl-2.jpg

    The explanation (not stated in the series) was that she represented all the scientists that helped.

    Someone should make a movie about MLK with the same explanation. Insert a White guy next to King and make him integral to everything. Then admit he doesn't exist but represents all the people that helped.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Stanley Levison wasn’t white, but he was integral to ‘MLK’.

  845. @AnonfromTN
    Since 1991 not a single metro station was built in Kiev. Last December six stations on the “blue” metro line in Kiev were flooded and thus taken out of commission. Now the streets in some areas of Kiev are flooded.

    However, Kiev mayor Klitchko is apparently not as dumb as you’d think listening to him: he owns a $6 million mansion in Hamburg. So, he is way smarter than morons who voted for him.

    Replies: @Jazman, @AnonfromTN, @AP

    Since 1991 not a single metro station was built in Kiev

    This summarizes your “knowledge” about Ukraine: since 2000 7 new metro stations were built. You are one the most clueless people out there when writing about Ukraine. But don’t worry: some dumb Serbs will believe you.

    This station on the Kiev metro opened in 2012:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipodrom_(Kyiv_Metro)

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack, Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Do you think that it's possible for Professor Лёня's propensity to blurt out nonsensical information carries over to his research papers too?

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    some dumb Serbs will believe you.
     
    I agree with your general point about Lenya's lack of knowledge about things outside of his expertise, but what's the point of constantly banging on Serbs? I mean, Central Asians are also pretty dull on average and are, or at least used to be, pro-Russian. Why constantly reference Serbs in particular as being an example of dull pro-Russians and not someone else? Heck, AFAIK, a lot of the Third World is still relatively pro-Russian and also pretty dull. Why not reference them instead?
  846. Saw two dark-eyed juncos the other day that I was really impressed with:

    They came down in the middle of a blizzard to eat opportunistically in the grassy area that had been temporarily exposed at the edge of a shovelled path.

    Winds were high (but the area they came down in may have been somewhat sheltered) and visibility was pretty low. Snow was accummulating fast, and there was already several inches elsewhere.

  847. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Since 1991 not a single metro station was built in Kiev

     

    This summarizes your “knowledge” about Ukraine: since 2000 7 new metro stations were built. You are one the most clueless people out there when writing about Ukraine. But don’t worry: some dumb Serbs will believe you.

    This station on the Kiev metro opened in 2012:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipodrom_(Kyiv_Metro)

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Ipodrom_station_%28Kiev_metro%29.JPG

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    Do you think that it’s possible for Professor Лёня’s propensity to blurt out nonsensical information carries over to his research papers too?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    I hope not. Chemistry is like cooking and he is knowledgeable and correct when he writes about food, so probably he is accurate in his field of biochemistry also.

    But about almost everything else he either writes his own invented nonsense, or repeats stuff he reads online that any normal person would recognize as a hoax. Not only about Ukraine where he has not needs in decades, but even about the place in the USA where he lives.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

  848. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Finland joining NATO looks like a setback but is much less important to Russia than Ukraine or Belarus.

    Let's not speculate and instead read the words of Putin:
    I am referring to the expansion of the NATO to the east, moving its military infrastructure closer to Russian borders.

    He is saying the problem is geographical.

    Why exactly would Finland be much less important if they share more border with Russia?

    Since Finland only has 5.56 million people it seems that invading them would have been a better choice at stopping the Eastward expansion of NATO, don't you think? Especially given that Ukraine didn't qualify for NATO because of Donbas?

    Finland has always qualified so wouldn't that be a better target in hindsight at least?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack

    Don’t try to appeal to logic when dealing with these kremlin stooges, it just doesn’t work. Just look at this strange creature QCIC (Queer Caustic Imbecilic Creature?) who goes to great lengths to try and cover for his pathological heroe. 🙁

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    QCIC = Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Replies: @Beckow

  849. On the theory that the best accelerationism involves strong signalling, the Biden admin, now that it holds William Penn in disgrace, should unilaterally change the name of the state of Pennsylvania to “Floydsylvania.”

  850. @AnonfromTN
    @AnonfromTN

    Additional vignette: today’s “flood” in Kiev is actually from the sewer main that burst. Flooded several streets and parkes cars. Considering that the temperature in Kiev is -11 degrees centigrade, by morning it might all freeze. But look on the bright side: frozen shit won’t smell as bad.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    But look on the bright side: frozen shit won’t smell as bad.

    I don’t follow? Do you find yourelf in Kyiv right now?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    I don’t follow? Do you find yourelf in Kyiv right now?
     
    Last time I was in Kiev more than ten years ago, visiting my cousin, her husband, and her son (who now lives in Russia, so he won’t be drafted by the puppet regime and die unnecessarily). Won’t go there again until all banderites are hanging on lampposts, other war criminals and traitors of Ukraine are properly punished, and the city becomes Kiev.
  851. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Do you think that it's possible for Professor Лёня's propensity to blurt out nonsensical information carries over to his research papers too?

    Replies: @AP

    I hope not. Chemistry is like cooking and he is knowledgeable and correct when he writes about food, so probably he is accurate in his field of biochemistry also.

    But about almost everything else he either writes his own invented nonsense, or repeats stuff he reads online that any normal person would recognize as a hoax. Not only about Ukraine where he has not needs in decades, but even about the place in the USA where he lives.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    I find it strange that he writes fondly of his childhood memories living in Ukraine, of his Ukrainian mother and grandparents (never about his father though, whom I strongly suspect wasn't Ukrainian but perhaps Russian or Jewish), and has developed somewhere in the past into a fiery Ukrainophobe. He probably picked this up during his college days when he lived in Moscow.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    AP, off-topic, but do you think that the Pope is severely misguided in regards to this?

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/08/world/pope-ban-surrogacy/index.html

    I do. After all, surrogacy sometimes offers poor women the only realistic way to improve their lives, especially if they are dull. Maybe they would prefer to move to the developed world, but that's akin to saying that the Gulf states should disband their existing abusive and exploitative guest worker programs (if reforming them is not a realistic option) if the guest workers who participate in them would prefer to work in non-abusive and non-exploitative guest worker programs in the West instead (which don't appear to exist on a large enough scale right now).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  852. @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    Don't try to appeal to logic when dealing with these kremlin stooges, it just doesn't work. Just look at this strange creature QCIC (Queer Caustic Imbecilic Creature?) who goes to great lengths to try and cover for his pathological heroe. :-(

    Replies: @QCIC

    QCIC = Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @QCIC

    A few pay grades above Mr. Hack...but he is still better than the neo-connish Johnson who seems to believe that nobody should watch over the boss...A weird assembly of mid-wits and misfits determined to go down with the Ukie ship.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  853. @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    I hope not. Chemistry is like cooking and he is knowledgeable and correct when he writes about food, so probably he is accurate in his field of biochemistry also.

    But about almost everything else he either writes his own invented nonsense, or repeats stuff he reads online that any normal person would recognize as a hoax. Not only about Ukraine where he has not needs in decades, but even about the place in the USA where he lives.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    I find it strange that he writes fondly of his childhood memories living in Ukraine, of his Ukrainian mother and grandparents (never about his father though, whom I strongly suspect wasn’t Ukrainian but perhaps Russian or Jewish), and has developed somewhere in the past into a fiery Ukrainophobe. He probably picked this up during his college days when he lived in Moscow.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    It might be news to you, but a person with even rudimentary intelligence does not identify the country with its ruling corrupt criminals. This is equally true for Ukraine and for the US.

    Replies: @A123

  854. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    But look on the bright side: frozen shit won’t smell as bad.
     
    I don't follow? Do you find yourelf in Kyiv right now?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    I don’t follow? Do you find yourelf in Kyiv right now?

    Last time I was in Kiev more than ten years ago, visiting my cousin, her husband, and her son (who now lives in Russia, so he won’t be drafted by the puppet regime and die unnecessarily). Won’t go there again until all banderites are hanging on lampposts, other war criminals and traitors of Ukraine are properly punished, and the city becomes Kiev.

  855. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    I find it strange that he writes fondly of his childhood memories living in Ukraine, of his Ukrainian mother and grandparents (never about his father though, whom I strongly suspect wasn't Ukrainian but perhaps Russian or Jewish), and has developed somewhere in the past into a fiery Ukrainophobe. He probably picked this up during his college days when he lived in Moscow.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    It might be news to you, but a person with even rudimentary intelligence does not identify the country with its ruling corrupt criminals. This is equally true for Ukraine and for the US.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    a person with even rudimentary intelligence does not identify the country with its ruling corrupt criminals. This is equally true for Ukraine and for the US.
     
    Sadly, expecting rudimentary intelligence is often asking too much. Common sense is also frequently absent & unaccounted for.

    I have to use the unwieldy "Not-The-President Biden" to explicitly point out that the White House occupant is not a legitimate American leader. Everyone paying even slight attention knows that the 2020 election was stolen by unprecedented DNC vote fraud. The MAGA/GOP is much better prepared to head off such corruption in 2024.
    ___

    What do you think of the Sec. Def. Austin story?

    Too bad he is not in the military and thus cannot be charged with going AWOL.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  856. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    QCIC = Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Replies: @Beckow

    A few pay grades above Mr. Hack…but he is still better than the neo-connish Johnson who seems to believe that nobody should watch over the boss…A weird assembly of mid-wits and misfits determined to go down with the Ukie ship.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Yes Comrade.

    On zee upcoming second annual anniversary of zee 2.5 veek special operation zey will see the mistake in questioning our Glorius Roosa and its fearless leader.

    I think by zee third anniversary zey will really come around a zee that zey were wrong to think this war was a mistake.

    Internet Special Operations Defense Specialist
    42nd non-draftable basement division
    "The tappin 42nd"

    Replies: @Beckow

  857. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    It might be news to you, but a person with even rudimentary intelligence does not identify the country with its ruling corrupt criminals. This is equally true for Ukraine and for the US.

    Replies: @A123

    a person with even rudimentary intelligence does not identify the country with its ruling corrupt criminals. This is equally true for Ukraine and for the US.

    Sadly, expecting rudimentary intelligence is often asking too much. Common sense is also frequently absent & unaccounted for.

    I have to use the unwieldy “Not-The-President Biden” to explicitly point out that the White House occupant is not a legitimate American leader. Everyone paying even slight attention knows that the 2020 election was stolen by unprecedented DNC vote fraud. The MAGA/GOP is much better prepared to head off such corruption in 2024.
    ___

    What do you think of the Sec. Def. Austin story?

    Too bad he is not in the military and thus cannot be charged with going AWOL.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123


    What do you think of the Sec. Def. Austin story?
     
    He's a negro. Don't post racist crap here.

    The more interesting story to me is how the White House press secretary doesn't tell the press anything more than name rank and serial number and Kirby handles all the substantial communications. I haven't seen the press secretary on the tubes in close to a year now. Not that it would be something I look for but without even trying I see that jackass Kirby at least once a week.
  858. Incredible turret toss:

    10/10

    Gonna be tough to beat this year.

  859. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    a person with even rudimentary intelligence does not identify the country with its ruling corrupt criminals. This is equally true for Ukraine and for the US.
     
    Sadly, expecting rudimentary intelligence is often asking too much. Common sense is also frequently absent & unaccounted for.

    I have to use the unwieldy "Not-The-President Biden" to explicitly point out that the White House occupant is not a legitimate American leader. Everyone paying even slight attention knows that the 2020 election was stolen by unprecedented DNC vote fraud. The MAGA/GOP is much better prepared to head off such corruption in 2024.
    ___

    What do you think of the Sec. Def. Austin story?

    Too bad he is not in the military and thus cannot be charged with going AWOL.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    What do you think of the Sec. Def. Austin story?

    He’s a negro. Don’t post racist crap here.

    The more interesting story to me is how the White House press secretary doesn’t tell the press anything more than name rank and serial number and Kirby handles all the substantial communications. I haven’t seen the press secretary on the tubes in close to a year now. Not that it would be something I look for but without even trying I see that jackass Kirby at least once a week.

  860. @Beckow
    @QCIC

    A few pay grades above Mr. Hack...but he is still better than the neo-connish Johnson who seems to believe that nobody should watch over the boss...A weird assembly of mid-wits and misfits determined to go down with the Ukie ship.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Yes Comrade.

    On zee upcoming second annual anniversary of zee 2.5 veek special operation zey will see the mistake in questioning our Glorius Roosa and its fearless leader.

    I think by zee third anniversary zey will really come around a zee that zey were wrong to think this war was a mistake.

    Internet Special Operations Defense Specialist
    42nd non-draftable basement division
    “The tappin 42nd”

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    ???? You seem to live in the fantasy world of Hollywood. Based on that primitive "zee" you may not even be a mid-wit, but a bit beneath that.

    Ukraine is losing the war and the plan to move Nato to Ukraine is dead in the water. What will be left of Ukraine is not clear - but it will be smaller, poorer, possibly land-locked.

    Address that reality and don't worry about "Russia", they will be fine. If you want to hide in Finland as the consolation price you are welcome. But that means nothing, the minutias of the war will be forgotten - what will matter is what is left of Ukraine. The consequences will last for generations. That's why Kiev provoking the war was such a tragic mistake (Maidan!), it was not at all thought through.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  861. @A123
    @Beckow



    …It is political theatre…
     
    Well, maybe. We understand it is mostly a theatre – but why do a theatre?
     
    Brain dead zombies of SJW Globalism must be fed periodically, and the DNC has entrapped itself. By offering seemingly unlimited Bread & Circuses, the wild critters now demand to be fed more & more frequently. They are also becoming more vicious and turning on each other. The monster they created cannot be satiated.


    offending swing and independent voters along the way. Every one of these abuses makes MAGA Trump more appealing.
     
    It looks very bad around the world. You need to understand that the details are simply not communicable – too obscure for most people – and it looks very undemocratic
     
    I concur.

    And, that is my exact point. The extremists are becoming more extreme. This makes the DNC look worse both at home and abroad.

    The good news is that Trump remains on every primary ballot. 0% of MAGA voters have been disenfranchised. It is a legal case full of sound & fury signifying very little.


    It is a bit silly that SCOTUS has to waste time on this. Presumably they will find that the federal provision requires a federal conviction on the relevant acts. Not state convictions. Not federal accusations. That would nail the door shut on future shenanigans.
     
    If a democracy suppresses the choice of 35-50% people – the rough minimal estimate of the Trump support – it is not a democracy.
     
    I again concur.

    However, in this case everyone on every side understands that this will be scrapped by SCOTUS. At this point it is entirely sensationalist theatre, not a threat to democracy. Also, unless you believe in Nikki Haley, it is an effectively uncontested GOP primary.

    If this comes back in the general election with presidential candidates being thrown off contested ballots, that would be a threat to democracy. Fortunately, it looks like SCOTUS will nail the door shut on any future misconduct along those lines.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow, @John Johnson

    …a legal case full of sound & fury signifying very little.

    You are probably right that it will blow over. I scan NY Times (painful!) and they have moderated in the last 6 months – an occasional mad outburst, but there is clearly a directed effort to scale it back. (Ohh, the beauty of modern “free press” – wouldn’t it be easier to just allow real freedom? now it so much silent management, hints, indirection, quiet “briefings”…)

    There is a rule of thumb that systems collapse when they break the core principles they were built on: Rome was built on military power, once Romans were unwilling to fight it was over. Medieval Church was built on adherence to morality – when Borgia popes started to openly screw their nieces it ended. Communism was based on maintaining equality – it couldn’t survive the acquisitive urges of the latter-day market-commies.

    When the American system based on freedom of speech and on sound money and wealth throws those principles over-board in a fit of mad over-reach it may signify something.

    It is not “100%” that it will be corrected – it could be a mushy, half-ass compromise to make sure the Orange-man is gone. Then what?

    • Replies: @A123
    @Beckow


    It is not “100%” that it will be corrected – it could be a mushy, half-ass compromise to make sure the Orange-man is gone. Then what?
     
    Nothing is 100% until it is released by SCOTUS. However, the SJW Globalists have their own agenda to prevent a "state's rights" decision. The idea of devolving their personal authority to lesser venues is anathema unto the overweening egos of the elites.

    Also, as a practical matter, Not-The-President Biden genuinely is an inurrectionist. How many swing states would keep the Veggie-In-Chief off general election ballots?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow

  862. @A123
    @Beckow



    …It is political theatre…
     
    Well, maybe. We understand it is mostly a theatre – but why do a theatre?
     
    Brain dead zombies of SJW Globalism must be fed periodically, and the DNC has entrapped itself. By offering seemingly unlimited Bread & Circuses, the wild critters now demand to be fed more & more frequently. They are also becoming more vicious and turning on each other. The monster they created cannot be satiated.


    offending swing and independent voters along the way. Every one of these abuses makes MAGA Trump more appealing.
     
    It looks very bad around the world. You need to understand that the details are simply not communicable – too obscure for most people – and it looks very undemocratic
     
    I concur.

    And, that is my exact point. The extremists are becoming more extreme. This makes the DNC look worse both at home and abroad.

    The good news is that Trump remains on every primary ballot. 0% of MAGA voters have been disenfranchised. It is a legal case full of sound & fury signifying very little.


    It is a bit silly that SCOTUS has to waste time on this. Presumably they will find that the federal provision requires a federal conviction on the relevant acts. Not state convictions. Not federal accusations. That would nail the door shut on future shenanigans.
     
    If a democracy suppresses the choice of 35-50% people – the rough minimal estimate of the Trump support – it is not a democracy.
     
    I again concur.

    However, in this case everyone on every side understands that this will be scrapped by SCOTUS. At this point it is entirely sensationalist theatre, not a threat to democracy. Also, unless you believe in Nikki Haley, it is an effectively uncontested GOP primary.

    If this comes back in the general election with presidential candidates being thrown off contested ballots, that would be a threat to democracy. Fortunately, it looks like SCOTUS will nail the door shut on any future misconduct along those lines.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow, @John Johnson

    If this comes back in the general election with presidential candidates being thrown off contested ballots, that would be a threat to democracy. Fortunately, it looks like SCOTUS will nail the door shut on any future misconduct along those lines.

    Will you endorse Trump if he is in prison?

  863. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Yes Comrade.

    On zee upcoming second annual anniversary of zee 2.5 veek special operation zey will see the mistake in questioning our Glorius Roosa and its fearless leader.

    I think by zee third anniversary zey will really come around a zee that zey were wrong to think this war was a mistake.

    Internet Special Operations Defense Specialist
    42nd non-draftable basement division
    "The tappin 42nd"

    Replies: @Beckow

    ???? You seem to live in the fantasy world of Hollywood. Based on that primitive “zee” you may not even be a mid-wit, but a bit beneath that.

    Ukraine is losing the war and the plan to move Nato to Ukraine is dead in the water. What will be left of Ukraine is not clear – but it will be smaller, poorer, possibly land-locked.

    Address that reality and don’t worry about “Russia”, they will be fine. If you want to hide in Finland as the consolation price you are welcome. But that means nothing, the minutias of the war will be forgotten – what will matter is what is left of Ukraine. The consequences will last for generations. That’s why Kiev provoking the war was such a tragic mistake (Maidan!), it was not at all thought through.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Ukraine is losing the war and the plan to move Nato to Ukraine is dead in the water.

    Both Macgregor and Scott Ritter told us the war was over in March of 2022. Seems that everyone underestimated the Ukrainians.

    There was no plan to move NATO into Ukraine. Putin's defenders still haven't explained the "missile silos on the border plan" that has zero evidence and makes zero sense given that the Baltics already border Russia and don't have missile silos.

    What will be left of Ukraine is not clear – but it will be smaller, poorer, possibly land-locked.

    Still holding out for the fantasy of Russia taking Odessa? That is sad. The mindless rush tactics around Adviika suggest that Putin is trying to end this with the current borders. The fact that he is doing this in the winter suggests political pressure. If Russia is truly playing the long game then it makes sense to wait for spring. The tactics are haphazard and there are again reports of conscripts being given minimal training and then dumped on the front. Makes much more sense to train them until spring and then launch a large offensive when the mud is gone.

    Address that reality and don’t worry about “Russia”, they will be fine.

    What makes you think I worry about Russia? The people deserve their egg lines and looks of embarrassment and fear when asked to explain the war. These are the same Russians the British observed all the back in the Crimean war. Completely submissive to authority and fine with putting their faith in the Tsar. Maybe future generations that grow up with both the internet and the humiliation of this war to break the cycle. But as I see it the world in some ways has given up on Russians. They're back to being viewed as Europe's drunk losers and I doubt that will change. The theory that they were merely "held back" by Communism is egalitarian fantasy. Russians are not Danes or Swedes. They have their strong points but we can't expect them to create similar societies.

    If you want to hide in Finland as the consolation price you are welcome.

    I don't know what you mean by hiding. Putin set clear goals for the war and those goals have failed by Finland joining NATO. Perhaps he can talk Finland out of leaving as part of some compromise. I really doubt that will happen and his recent comments on Finland suggest that he seems to have forgotten his own goals. Putin rarely speaks of NATO expansion even though it was the main topic during his original war speech. He now depicts the war as simply against Russia.

    That’s why Kiev provoking the war was such a tragic mistake (Maidan!)

    So you are saying they provoked the war in 2014 by getting rid of the pro-Russian president who was disavowed by his own pro-Russian party?

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

  864. @Beckow
    @A123


    ...a legal case full of sound & fury signifying very little.
     
    You are probably right that it will blow over. I scan NY Times (painful!) and they have moderated in the last 6 months - an occasional mad outburst, but there is clearly a directed effort to scale it back. (Ohh, the beauty of modern "free press" - wouldn't it be easier to just allow real freedom? now it so much silent management, hints, indirection, quiet "briefings"...)

    There is a rule of thumb that systems collapse when they break the core principles they were built on: Rome was built on military power, once Romans were unwilling to fight it was over. Medieval Church was built on adherence to morality - when Borgia popes started to openly screw their nieces it ended. Communism was based on maintaining equality - it couldn't survive the acquisitive urges of the latter-day market-commies.

    When the American system based on freedom of speech and on sound money and wealth throws those principles over-board in a fit of mad over-reach it may signify something.

    It is not "100%" that it will be corrected - it could be a mushy, half-ass compromise to make sure the Orange-man is gone. Then what?

    Replies: @A123

    It is not “100%” that it will be corrected – it could be a mushy, half-ass compromise to make sure the Orange-man is gone. Then what?

    Nothing is 100% until it is released by SCOTUS. However, the SJW Globalists have their own agenda to prevent a “state’s rights” decision. The idea of devolving their personal authority to lesser venues is anathema unto the overweening egos of the elites.

    Also, as a practical matter, Not-The-President Biden genuinely is an inurrectionist. How many swing states would keep the Veggie-In-Chief off general election ballots?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @A123

    What defines uber-liberals is their brazen inconsistency - they make it up for the cause. So they will define state’s rights as it suits them. I agree it will blow over this time, no rational grown-up can buy the "insurrection" narrative, it is too silly. On the other hand it won't be 9 to 0, there are a few frustrated ideological women on the court.

  865. Here is the latest Unz contribution from Paul Craig Roberts. I am reposting it here in case there are comments. Roberts writes:

    The US and Israel have isolated themselves as the two most evil governments on earth. By complying with Washington’s foreign policy, the European puppet governments find themselves despised by their citizens.

    Eleven months ago Russia’s president Vladimir Putin described the West to the Russian Federal Assembly:

    “They behaved just as shamelessly and duplicitously when destroying Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, and Syria. They will never be able to wash off this shame. The concepts of honor, trust, and decency are not for them. Over the long centuries of colonialism, diktat and hegemony, they got used to being allowed everything. They grew accustomed to spitting on the whole world.

    “It turned out that they treat people living in their own countries with the same disdain, like a master. They cynically deceived them too, tricked them with tall stories about the search for peace, about adherence to the UN Security Council resolutions on Donbass. The Western elites have become a symbol of total, unprincipled lies.”

    It took Russian politicians and journalists a long time to recover from their delusion that with the demise of communism the world was a community governed by agreed-upon rules. Many Russian intellectuals and journalists had an idealized picture of the United States which kept the Russian government off balance in understanding Washington’s intentions toward Russia. How else to explain Russia’s lack of preparedness when Washington overthrew the elected government of Ukraine and when Georgia invaded South Ossetia?

    As Putin now understands, the consequences of the Russian government’s mistaken expectation of fair and honorable relations with the West have been severe. Unless the West’s degradation results in collapse, war is inevitable. American and European peoples have no impact on their governments who serve the agendas of the financially powerful. Now that the West has demonstrated for all to see that the West suffers no shame from participation in genocide, even the most westernized Russians are likely to keep a safe distance from Washington’s snares.

    Now that the West has completely shattered the trust built during the Soviet era, the threat of nuclear Armageddon again holds sway over the Earth. In the face of this threat, all other threats recede into nothingness.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @QCIC

    It is well written. It explains why none of the enemy actual words are ever allowed in the Western media. There could be no facile response and the obvious discrepancy between what the media reports and the reality would be too much - so they survive by lying.

    But it takes two to lie - are the people who absorb the lies also responsible? They are not that stupid and in most cases the basic facts are not in dispute. Is it more comfortable to just pretend that the other side is evil? The eternal petty personal greed of the ordinary people...

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  866. @A123
    @Beckow


    It is not “100%” that it will be corrected – it could be a mushy, half-ass compromise to make sure the Orange-man is gone. Then what?
     
    Nothing is 100% until it is released by SCOTUS. However, the SJW Globalists have their own agenda to prevent a "state's rights" decision. The idea of devolving their personal authority to lesser venues is anathema unto the overweening egos of the elites.

    Also, as a practical matter, Not-The-President Biden genuinely is an inurrectionist. How many swing states would keep the Veggie-In-Chief off general election ballots?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow

    What defines uber-liberals is their brazen inconsistency – they make it up for the cause. So they will define state’s rights as it suits them. I agree it will blow over this time, no rational grown-up can buy the “insurrection” narrative, it is too silly. On the other hand it won’t be 9 to 0, there are a few frustrated ideological women on the court.

  867. @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    ???? You seem to live in the fantasy world of Hollywood. Based on that primitive "zee" you may not even be a mid-wit, but a bit beneath that.

    Ukraine is losing the war and the plan to move Nato to Ukraine is dead in the water. What will be left of Ukraine is not clear - but it will be smaller, poorer, possibly land-locked.

    Address that reality and don't worry about "Russia", they will be fine. If you want to hide in Finland as the consolation price you are welcome. But that means nothing, the minutias of the war will be forgotten - what will matter is what is left of Ukraine. The consequences will last for generations. That's why Kiev provoking the war was such a tragic mistake (Maidan!), it was not at all thought through.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Ukraine is losing the war and the plan to move Nato to Ukraine is dead in the water.

    Both Macgregor and Scott Ritter told us the war was over in March of 2022. Seems that everyone underestimated the Ukrainians.

    There was no plan to move NATO into Ukraine. Putin’s defenders still haven’t explained the “missile silos on the border plan” that has zero evidence and makes zero sense given that the Baltics already border Russia and don’t have missile silos.

    What will be left of Ukraine is not clear – but it will be smaller, poorer, possibly land-locked.

    Still holding out for the fantasy of Russia taking Odessa? That is sad. The mindless rush tactics around Adviika suggest that Putin is trying to end this with the current borders. The fact that he is doing this in the winter suggests political pressure. If Russia is truly playing the long game then it makes sense to wait for spring. The tactics are haphazard and there are again reports of conscripts being given minimal training and then dumped on the front. Makes much more sense to train them until spring and then launch a large offensive when the mud is gone.

    Address that reality and don’t worry about “Russia”, they will be fine.

    What makes you think I worry about Russia? The people deserve their egg lines and looks of embarrassment and fear when asked to explain the war. These are the same Russians the British observed all the back in the Crimean war. Completely submissive to authority and fine with putting their faith in the Tsar. Maybe future generations that grow up with both the internet and the humiliation of this war to break the cycle. But as I see it the world in some ways has given up on Russians. They’re back to being viewed as Europe’s drunk losers and I doubt that will change. The theory that they were merely “held back” by Communism is egalitarian fantasy. Russians are not Danes or Swedes. They have their strong points but we can’t expect them to create similar societies.

    If you want to hide in Finland as the consolation price you are welcome.

    I don’t know what you mean by hiding. Putin set clear goals for the war and those goals have failed by Finland joining NATO. Perhaps he can talk Finland out of leaving as part of some compromise. I really doubt that will happen and his recent comments on Finland suggest that he seems to have forgotten his own goals. Putin rarely speaks of NATO expansion even though it was the main topic during his original war speech. He now depicts the war as simply against Russia.

    That’s why Kiev provoking the war was such a tragic mistake (Maidan!)

    So you are saying they provoked the war in 2014 by getting rid of the pro-Russian president who was disavowed by his own pro-Russian party?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    Yanuk was hardly a "pro-Russian" - he spent his years in office playing both sides and negotiating with EU. How is that pro-Russian? But he was against provoking Russia with Nato bases, that's why he had to go. The fact that you will desperately deny this till the bitter end changes nothing on that obvious reality.

    The war is not about Finland and the Finns are normal people (generally). If they wanted to make their de facto membership in Nato official it is a small event - as people explained to you over and over the Finns are rational, small nation who will not allow their territory to be used to attack Russia. If they do, they will regret it - as they did in WW2. But you need "Finland" to feel less like a loser so you will go on and on about it - fine, if that is your consolation, you can have it.

    You are descending into parading openly your anti-Russian racism - that only reflects badly on you: not only a loser, but a bitter loser. Russians are like everyone else, good and bad, and you have no particular interest in them, you wanted their "stuff", the resources, and since you can't have it, you like in the sour-grapes story start yelling abuse at them.


    ...holding out for the fantasy of Russia taking Odessa
     
    No, I wrote that there is no way to know, but that Ukraine will be smaller and poorer after the war. If you had a brain you would understand that to be effectively landlocked not all coast has to be taken by Russia - Odessa can be easily blockaded, any state of ongoing hostility would make it almost useless.

    But those are details, what matters is the Nato Ukraine plan is being dismantled - Ukies are being sacrificed, their future sold for a few more months of good PR. Proud of it?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @A123
    @John Johnson



    If you want to hide in Finland as the consolation price you are welcome.
     
    I don’t know what you mean by hiding. Putin set clear goals for the war and those goals have failed by Finland joining NATO.
     
    No one follows your gonzo phweet definition of "failing". You insist on believing that the ONE SPEECH engraved IMMUTABLE goals into the fundament of the universe. The real world does not work that way.

    To everyone (except you), it is extremely obvious that Putin successfully pivoted to vastly better, substantial achievements. These include, but are not necessarily limited to:

    • Most of 4 oblasts, instead of 2.
    • ZNPP, the largest nuclear plant in Europe
    • Access to the Dnieper, which will provide water to Crimea (∆)
    • The "Land Bridge" for security & economic connection to Crimea.
    • More intangible but still potent -- Abject, crushing humiliation of Merkel/Scholz, Macron, and other European elites.

    In return for all of those things, Putin conceded an already EU integrated Finland formally joining NATO. Before then the Finns used NATO doctrine & gear as a non-member, so the material change in stance is limited. The concession exists, yet the gains out weight it.

    Putin is WINNING on the ground by intelligently deviating from the ONE SPEECH. Why is it so hard for you to accept that the ONE SPEECH has no mystical power?

    Have you considered that the ONE SPEECH may have been, at least in part, Maskirovka? A deliberate attempt to confuse the European enemy?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (∆) Some post SMO design & build will be required for the Dnieper access to become a fully functioning water supply for Crimea. It is a shame that anti-Semite Zelensky ordered the destruction of the Kakhovka Dam.

    Replies: @QCIC

  868. @QCIC
    Here is the latest Unz contribution from Paul Craig Roberts. I am reposting it here in case there are comments. Roberts writes:

    The US and Israel have isolated themselves as the two most evil governments on earth. By complying with Washington’s foreign policy, the European puppet governments find themselves despised by their citizens.

    Eleven months ago Russia’s president Vladimir Putin described the West to the Russian Federal Assembly:

    “They behaved just as shamelessly and duplicitously when destroying Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, and Syria. They will never be able to wash off this shame. The concepts of honor, trust, and decency are not for them. Over the long centuries of colonialism, diktat and hegemony, they got used to being allowed everything. They grew accustomed to spitting on the whole world.

    “It turned out that they treat people living in their own countries with the same disdain, like a master. They cynically deceived them too, tricked them with tall stories about the search for peace, about adherence to the UN Security Council resolutions on Donbass. The Western elites have become a symbol of total, unprincipled lies.”

    It took Russian politicians and journalists a long time to recover from their delusion that with the demise of communism the world was a community governed by agreed-upon rules. Many Russian intellectuals and journalists had an idealized picture of the United States which kept the Russian government off balance in understanding Washington’s intentions toward Russia. How else to explain Russia’s lack of preparedness when Washington overthrew the elected government of Ukraine and when Georgia invaded South Ossetia?

    As Putin now understands, the consequences of the Russian government’s mistaken expectation of fair and honorable relations with the West have been severe. Unless the West’s degradation results in collapse, war is inevitable. American and European peoples have no impact on their governments who serve the agendas of the financially powerful. Now that the West has demonstrated for all to see that the West suffers no shame from participation in genocide, even the most westernized Russians are likely to keep a safe distance from Washington’s snares.

    Now that the West has completely shattered the trust built during the Soviet era, the threat of nuclear Armageddon again holds sway over the Earth. In the face of this threat, all other threats recede into nothingness.
     

    Replies: @Beckow

    It is well written. It explains why none of the enemy actual words are ever allowed in the Western media. There could be no facile response and the obvious discrepancy between what the media reports and the reality would be too much – so they survive by lying.

    But it takes two to lie – are the people who absorb the lies also responsible? They are not that stupid and in most cases the basic facts are not in dispute. Is it more comfortable to just pretend that the other side is evil? The eternal petty personal greed of the ordinary people…

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    You aren't cynical enough. Paul Craig Roberts presents a completely unrealistic world view. You think Trump would have been any different? You think Putin is any different? The last man who really tried to innovate was Kennedy and he got his head blown off in broad daylight in front of everybody to show the example.

    Replies: @Beckow

  869. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Ukraine is losing the war and the plan to move Nato to Ukraine is dead in the water.

    Both Macgregor and Scott Ritter told us the war was over in March of 2022. Seems that everyone underestimated the Ukrainians.

    There was no plan to move NATO into Ukraine. Putin's defenders still haven't explained the "missile silos on the border plan" that has zero evidence and makes zero sense given that the Baltics already border Russia and don't have missile silos.

    What will be left of Ukraine is not clear – but it will be smaller, poorer, possibly land-locked.

    Still holding out for the fantasy of Russia taking Odessa? That is sad. The mindless rush tactics around Adviika suggest that Putin is trying to end this with the current borders. The fact that he is doing this in the winter suggests political pressure. If Russia is truly playing the long game then it makes sense to wait for spring. The tactics are haphazard and there are again reports of conscripts being given minimal training and then dumped on the front. Makes much more sense to train them until spring and then launch a large offensive when the mud is gone.

    Address that reality and don’t worry about “Russia”, they will be fine.

    What makes you think I worry about Russia? The people deserve their egg lines and looks of embarrassment and fear when asked to explain the war. These are the same Russians the British observed all the back in the Crimean war. Completely submissive to authority and fine with putting their faith in the Tsar. Maybe future generations that grow up with both the internet and the humiliation of this war to break the cycle. But as I see it the world in some ways has given up on Russians. They're back to being viewed as Europe's drunk losers and I doubt that will change. The theory that they were merely "held back" by Communism is egalitarian fantasy. Russians are not Danes or Swedes. They have their strong points but we can't expect them to create similar societies.

    If you want to hide in Finland as the consolation price you are welcome.

    I don't know what you mean by hiding. Putin set clear goals for the war and those goals have failed by Finland joining NATO. Perhaps he can talk Finland out of leaving as part of some compromise. I really doubt that will happen and his recent comments on Finland suggest that he seems to have forgotten his own goals. Putin rarely speaks of NATO expansion even though it was the main topic during his original war speech. He now depicts the war as simply against Russia.

    That’s why Kiev provoking the war was such a tragic mistake (Maidan!)

    So you are saying they provoked the war in 2014 by getting rid of the pro-Russian president who was disavowed by his own pro-Russian party?

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    Yanuk was hardly a “pro-Russian” – he spent his years in office playing both sides and negotiating with EU. How is that pro-Russian? But he was against provoking Russia with Nato bases, that’s why he had to go. The fact that you will desperately deny this till the bitter end changes nothing on that obvious reality.

    The war is not about Finland and the Finns are normal people (generally). If they wanted to make their de facto membership in Nato official it is a small event – as people explained to you over and over the Finns are rational, small nation who will not allow their territory to be used to attack Russia. If they do, they will regret it – as they did in WW2. But you need “Finland” to feel less like a loser so you will go on and on about it – fine, if that is your consolation, you can have it.

    You are descending into parading openly your anti-Russian racism – that only reflects badly on you: not only a loser, but a bitter loser. Russians are like everyone else, good and bad, and you have no particular interest in them, you wanted their “stuff”, the resources, and since you can’t have it, you like in the sour-grapes story start yelling abuse at them.

    …holding out for the fantasy of Russia taking Odessa

    No, I wrote that there is no way to know, but that Ukraine will be smaller and poorer after the war. If you had a brain you would understand that to be effectively landlocked not all coast has to be taken by Russia – Odessa can be easily blockaded, any state of ongoing hostility would make it almost useless.

    But those are details, what matters is the Nato Ukraine plan is being dismantled – Ukies are being sacrificed, their future sold for a few more months of good PR. Proud of it?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Yanuk was hardly a “pro-Russian” – he spent his years in office playing both sides and negotiating with EU. How is that pro-Russian?

    He took millions in bribes from Russia and then fled there to escape corruption and murder charges.

    Not only pro-Russian but a traitor.

    But he was against provoking Russia with Nato bases, that’s why he had to go.

    That doesn't make any sense. What exactly did you mean by this comment:
    That’s why Kiev provoking the war was such a tragic mistake (Maidan!), it was not at all thought through.

    You are now claiming Kiev is at fault for the war over what happened in 2014? Is that right?

    Are you suggesting that they should have kept their corrupt pro-Russian president in office?

    If they do, they will regret it – as they did in WW2. But you need “Finland” to feel less like a loser so you will go on and on about it – fine, if that is your consolation, you can have it.

    Feel like a loser? That doesn't make any sense. I never claimed that Ukraine would get all of their land back and in fact stated that Crimea should probably used as a bargaining point. Though I would prefer to see Ukraine get their 2021 borders I think an end with the current lines is a loss for Putin. NATO moved East and free Ukraine will be decidedly anti-Russian. This is really just a terrible trade-off from Putin's perspective. Russia was in a much better position before the war.

    Putin gave very clear goals of the war while you and others here would like his invasion speech to be ignored as it shows he cannot meet those goals without taking all of Ukraine. You are trying to make this personal out of desperation. I pointed out his goals and you tried to re-direct to my feelings of all things. Normal people believe in holding politicians accountable for clearly stated goals of something like an invasion. I'm not going to forget his invasion speech in favor of constantly changing goals that just happen to favor Putin. That is just classic whoring for a dictator. I am also not going to forget about how his supporters at Unz told us the war was needed to keep NATO from moving East. That was after they told us the war would never happen and that it was just a training exercise. And now what? Finland joining NATO doesn't matter? Even you and QCIC can't agree on why this war exists or what a success looks like. The dwarf dictator can't even leave a consistent line of bullshit for his own supporters.

    You are descending into parading openly your anti-Russian racism – that only reflects badly on you: not only a loser, but a bitter loser.

    The left makes similar statements when Whites make politically correct observations about certain groups and countries.

    Since the left knows that such observations are most likely true they switch to the tactic of trying to demean the person making the observation. You're only making those reality based observations because you are evil/greedy/Bad White/etc.

    The problem is that such observations are at times required to undermine ineffective policy. If a solution isn't working or is a poor investment then such observations can save time and funding for everyone. For example billions were already spent on Russia after the collapse of the USSR under the expectation that they would develop just as quickly as the Baltics. That turned out to be false and a waste of US funds. The cynics were correct and the British 19th century take on Russians was closer to the truth. As with leftists you turn your ire on the observer as you really don't have faith in your own expectations.

    No, I wrote that there is no way to know, but that Ukraine will be smaller and poorer after the war. If you had a brain you would understand that to be effectively landlocked not all coast has to be taken by Russia – Odessa can be easily blockaded, any state of ongoing hostility would make it almost useless.

    Blockaded with ships? Like the ones Ukraine has sunk with jet-ski drones?

    Putin doesn't want to leave the war in a state of hostility. They are suffering from sanctions and need a return of normal trade relations with Europe. If Putin could play a long game then he wouldn't be sending conscript waves at Avdiivka. It just doesn't make any sense. Economic conditions are most likely worse than what is being reported. He is playing a dangerous game of massively investing into arms while not fixing underlying problems. The egg shortage shows exactly what can happen. You build all kinds of new armor but then people run out of the basics.

  870. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Ukraine is losing the war and the plan to move Nato to Ukraine is dead in the water.

    Both Macgregor and Scott Ritter told us the war was over in March of 2022. Seems that everyone underestimated the Ukrainians.

    There was no plan to move NATO into Ukraine. Putin's defenders still haven't explained the "missile silos on the border plan" that has zero evidence and makes zero sense given that the Baltics already border Russia and don't have missile silos.

    What will be left of Ukraine is not clear – but it will be smaller, poorer, possibly land-locked.

    Still holding out for the fantasy of Russia taking Odessa? That is sad. The mindless rush tactics around Adviika suggest that Putin is trying to end this with the current borders. The fact that he is doing this in the winter suggests political pressure. If Russia is truly playing the long game then it makes sense to wait for spring. The tactics are haphazard and there are again reports of conscripts being given minimal training and then dumped on the front. Makes much more sense to train them until spring and then launch a large offensive when the mud is gone.

    Address that reality and don’t worry about “Russia”, they will be fine.

    What makes you think I worry about Russia? The people deserve their egg lines and looks of embarrassment and fear when asked to explain the war. These are the same Russians the British observed all the back in the Crimean war. Completely submissive to authority and fine with putting their faith in the Tsar. Maybe future generations that grow up with both the internet and the humiliation of this war to break the cycle. But as I see it the world in some ways has given up on Russians. They're back to being viewed as Europe's drunk losers and I doubt that will change. The theory that they were merely "held back" by Communism is egalitarian fantasy. Russians are not Danes or Swedes. They have their strong points but we can't expect them to create similar societies.

    If you want to hide in Finland as the consolation price you are welcome.

    I don't know what you mean by hiding. Putin set clear goals for the war and those goals have failed by Finland joining NATO. Perhaps he can talk Finland out of leaving as part of some compromise. I really doubt that will happen and his recent comments on Finland suggest that he seems to have forgotten his own goals. Putin rarely speaks of NATO expansion even though it was the main topic during his original war speech. He now depicts the war as simply against Russia.

    That’s why Kiev provoking the war was such a tragic mistake (Maidan!)

    So you are saying they provoked the war in 2014 by getting rid of the pro-Russian president who was disavowed by his own pro-Russian party?

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    If you want to hide in Finland as the consolation price you are welcome.

    I don’t know what you mean by hiding. Putin set clear goals for the war and those goals have failed by Finland joining NATO.

    No one follows your gonzo phweet definition of “failing”. You insist on believing that the ONE SPEECH engraved IMMUTABLE goals into the fundament of the universe. The real world does not work that way.

    To everyone (except you), it is extremely obvious that Putin successfully pivoted to vastly better, substantial achievements. These include, but are not necessarily limited to:

    • Most of 4 oblasts, instead of 2.
    • ZNPP, the largest nuclear plant in Europe
    • Access to the Dnieper, which will provide water to Crimea (∆)
    • The “Land Bridge” for security & economic connection to Crimea.
    • More intangible but still potent — Abject, crushing humiliation of Merkel/Scholz, Macron, and other European elites.

    In return for all of those things, Putin conceded an already EU integrated Finland formally joining NATO. Before then the Finns used NATO doctrine & gear as a non-member, so the material change in stance is limited. The concession exists, yet the gains out weight it.

    Putin is WINNING on the ground by intelligently deviating from the ONE SPEECH. Why is it so hard for you to accept that the ONE SPEECH has no mystical power?

    Have you considered that the ONE SPEECH may have been, at least in part, Maskirovka? A deliberate attempt to confuse the European enemy?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (∆) Some post SMO design & build will be required for the Dnieper access to become a fully functioning water supply for Crimea. It is a shame that anti-Semite Zelensky ordered the destruction of the Kakhovka Dam.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    Speaking of the Kakhovka dam, can anyone post or link to pictures which show the extent of the destruction after all the water in the lake drained and only the Dniepr flow remains? Something at least a few months after the destruction.

  871. @A123
    @John Johnson



    If you want to hide in Finland as the consolation price you are welcome.
     
    I don’t know what you mean by hiding. Putin set clear goals for the war and those goals have failed by Finland joining NATO.
     
    No one follows your gonzo phweet definition of "failing". You insist on believing that the ONE SPEECH engraved IMMUTABLE goals into the fundament of the universe. The real world does not work that way.

    To everyone (except you), it is extremely obvious that Putin successfully pivoted to vastly better, substantial achievements. These include, but are not necessarily limited to:

    • Most of 4 oblasts, instead of 2.
    • ZNPP, the largest nuclear plant in Europe
    • Access to the Dnieper, which will provide water to Crimea (∆)
    • The "Land Bridge" for security & economic connection to Crimea.
    • More intangible but still potent -- Abject, crushing humiliation of Merkel/Scholz, Macron, and other European elites.

    In return for all of those things, Putin conceded an already EU integrated Finland formally joining NATO. Before then the Finns used NATO doctrine & gear as a non-member, so the material change in stance is limited. The concession exists, yet the gains out weight it.

    Putin is WINNING on the ground by intelligently deviating from the ONE SPEECH. Why is it so hard for you to accept that the ONE SPEECH has no mystical power?

    Have you considered that the ONE SPEECH may have been, at least in part, Maskirovka? A deliberate attempt to confuse the European enemy?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (∆) Some post SMO design & build will be required for the Dnieper access to become a fully functioning water supply for Crimea. It is a shame that anti-Semite Zelensky ordered the destruction of the Kakhovka Dam.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Speaking of the Kakhovka dam, can anyone post or link to pictures which show the extent of the destruction after all the water in the lake drained and only the Dniepr flow remains? Something at least a few months after the destruction.

  872. @Beckow
    @QCIC

    It is well written. It explains why none of the enemy actual words are ever allowed in the Western media. There could be no facile response and the obvious discrepancy between what the media reports and the reality would be too much - so they survive by lying.

    But it takes two to lie - are the people who absorb the lies also responsible? They are not that stupid and in most cases the basic facts are not in dispute. Is it more comfortable to just pretend that the other side is evil? The eternal petty personal greed of the ordinary people...

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    You aren’t cynical enough. Paul Craig Roberts presents a completely unrealistic world view. You think Trump would have been any different? You think Putin is any different? The last man who really tried to innovate was Kennedy and he got his head blown off in broad daylight in front of everybody to show the example.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    You aren’t cynical enough. You think Trump would have been any different? You think Putin is any different?
     
    Thanks for catching my lapse, I will work on it...

    A small requirement for any democracy is to let everyone speak for themselves and let their words be reasonably available. Don't interpret, if they are lying we will figure it out.

    JFK was shot before my time. We will never know if he was what you say he was and more. His actual record is mixed - but so is Trump's and Putin's. The fact that JFK was shot suggests that he was not trusted. The circus around Trump also tells us that there is something there. Maybe only that he is volatile, the elites like status quo and "new" things frighten them - unless they do it. And when the elites get created, the sh..t really hits the fan...:)

  873. Am beginning to suspect that A123 is a Crimean farmer. Possibly having taken it up in retirement, after a career of engineering projects like the Kakhovka Dam.

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    after a career of engineering projects like the Kakhovka Dam.
     
    I can see your point. kremlinstoogeA123 seems to have water logged more than a few of his brain cells over the water rights issue in southern Ukraine.

    https://i.redd.it/b82q8sz9vibb1.png

  874. @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    I hope not. Chemistry is like cooking and he is knowledgeable and correct when he writes about food, so probably he is accurate in his field of biochemistry also.

    But about almost everything else he either writes his own invented nonsense, or repeats stuff he reads online that any normal person would recognize as a hoax. Not only about Ukraine where he has not needs in decades, but even about the place in the USA where he lives.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    AP, off-topic, but do you think that the Pope is severely misguided in regards to this?

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/08/world/pope-ban-surrogacy/index.html

    I do. After all, surrogacy sometimes offers poor women the only realistic way to improve their lives, especially if they are dull. Maybe they would prefer to move to the developed world, but that’s akin to saying that the Gulf states should disband their existing abusive and exploitative guest worker programs (if reforming them is not a realistic option) if the guest workers who participate in them would prefer to work in non-abusive and non-exploitative guest worker programs in the West instead (which don’t appear to exist on a large enough scale right now).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    Surrogacy is also likely eugenic, which is a pretty good reason for supporting it. Dysgenic fertility is a big enough problem as it is without making it worse by banning surrogacy.

  875. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    You aren't cynical enough. Paul Craig Roberts presents a completely unrealistic world view. You think Trump would have been any different? You think Putin is any different? The last man who really tried to innovate was Kennedy and he got his head blown off in broad daylight in front of everybody to show the example.

    Replies: @Beckow

    You aren’t cynical enough. You think Trump would have been any different? You think Putin is any different?

    Thanks for catching my lapse, I will work on it…

    A small requirement for any democracy is to let everyone speak for themselves and let their words be reasonably available. Don’t interpret, if they are lying we will figure it out.

    JFK was shot before my time. We will never know if he was what you say he was and more. His actual record is mixed – but so is Trump’s and Putin’s. The fact that JFK was shot suggests that he was not trusted. The circus around Trump also tells us that there is something there. Maybe only that he is volatile, the elites like status quo and “new” things frighten them – unless they do it. And when the elites get created, the sh..t really hits the fan…:)

  876. Fraser Cain and John Michael Godier seem to really admire China’s lunar program, and think it’s pragmatic and they will make it on schedule, while Artemis may be delayed.

    Fraser was saying that he thinks The Three Body-Problem got them interested in SETI and they going to be investing resources in it. (Seemingly implying that they might make first contact)

  877. Had what is termed a “productive” cough for a while now.

    [MORE]
    Actually don’t ever remember having had one before, though it seems less remarkable in many other ways – sore throat (and not the worst I’ve had) mainly for only one day – fever for only one day – very little sneezing or nose congestion.

    Anyway, I don’t really feel bad, but though I know it sounds quite gross, I almost wish I had used a funnel to capture and measure it all. It certainly seems like a remarkable amount.

    Think I probably got it in a pathway that connects to an emergency room – not me directly. (But I do suspect hospitals do quite a lot of harm, in this regard.)

    IIRC, Big Picture Science had an interesting episode on mucus. The body does produce quite a large volume regularly. But now I feel like I have seen it.

  878. IMO, it would be quite easy for Russians to domesticate this animal and then there would be no more cats frozen to the pavement.

    [MORE]

  879. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    AP, off-topic, but do you think that the Pope is severely misguided in regards to this?

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/08/world/pope-ban-surrogacy/index.html

    I do. After all, surrogacy sometimes offers poor women the only realistic way to improve their lives, especially if they are dull. Maybe they would prefer to move to the developed world, but that's akin to saying that the Gulf states should disband their existing abusive and exploitative guest worker programs (if reforming them is not a realistic option) if the guest workers who participate in them would prefer to work in non-abusive and non-exploitative guest worker programs in the West instead (which don't appear to exist on a large enough scale right now).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Surrogacy is also likely eugenic, which is a pretty good reason for supporting it. Dysgenic fertility is a big enough problem as it is without making it worse by banning surrogacy.

  880. @songbird
    Am beginning to suspect that A123 is a Crimean farmer. Possibly having taken it up in retirement, after a career of engineering projects like the Kakhovka Dam.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    after a career of engineering projects like the Kakhovka Dam.

    I can see your point. kremlinstoogeA123 seems to have water logged more than a few of his brain cells over the water rights issue in southern Ukraine.

  881. Anyone know where the escape bunker of Jeff Bezos is? (Doesn’t seem like that island near Miami would be a good place for it)

    Makes me very suspicious, when he talks about the 10,000-Year Clock.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clock_of_the_Long_Now

    Feels like some empty kind of signaling, meant to deflect, as so many of these billionaires have bunkers now.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    There's some mention within the Wiki article of Bezos' property that he owns somewhere in Texas?

    It's good to see that our political and cultural elite think about time. It shows that they are in need of a device that they can think about, presumably to use to compare there time here on earth as compared to eternity. Will they ever appear to think about the human soul and its place within eternity too? Stay tuned...

    Replies: @songbird

  882. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    I have a very strong prejudice against anthropomorphism,
     
    Do you own any pets? If you do, don't you ever talk to them like you might to another human being? I do to my three feral cats all of the time. Sure it' silly but somehow I, like probably millions of other human beings, also talk to their pets. If they don't, they've probably taken it one step further and somehow telepathically communicate with their pets. How in the world do you think that my father was able to get the neighborhood squirrel to come to him and climb on his body without harming him? :-)

    I dislike how they are depicted living in a strange society of different species seemingly for no good reason.
     
    These are probably primeval ideas that go way back into pre-history and to biblical times. The Noah's arc story, I think has captured the imagination of many people, believers and unbelievers alike. Here we have the classic case of different animal species all living harmoniously and for good reason together in one large community.

    Replies: @songbird, @Gerard1234

    Here we have the classic case of different animal species all living harmoniously and for good reason together in one large community.

    For me the squirrels always appear to give any species of bird, the cats, rabbit, dogs first preference over anything – even when they get close to another animal there is always the clear sense they are conceding dominance.

    Impressive that your father managed to get the squirrel to climb on him, on command. Where I am, I can get them to stand in expectation of feeding, but they won’t take it directly from hand. If I am inside, and they are just outside the window, then there is a better chance of them taking it from the hand, or at least getcloser to it.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234

    My father would put on this impressive display, totally outside in our car driveway, on the side of the house. Even as a little guy I knew that I was watching something impressive, and I do remember that he did this "trick" several times for me. Watch the video that I posted above, and see how a squirrel would come indoors and go back out and let its owner handle her closely with her hands...
    It's nice to see that you can communicate in a civil manner and not spew out all of the expletives! :-)

  883. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    Here we have the classic case of different animal species all living harmoniously and for good reason together in one large community.
     
    For me the squirrels always appear to give any species of bird, the cats, rabbit, dogs first preference over anything - even when they get close to another animal there is always the clear sense they are conceding dominance.

    Impressive that your father managed to get the squirrel to climb on him, on command. Where I am, I can get them to stand in expectation of feeding, but they won't take it directly from hand. If I am inside, and they are just outside the window, then there is a better chance of them taking it from the hand, or at least getcloser to it.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    My father would put on this impressive display, totally outside in our car driveway, on the side of the house. Even as a little guy I knew that I was watching something impressive, and I do remember that he did this “trick” several times for me. Watch the video that I posted above, and see how a squirrel would come indoors and go back out and let its owner handle her closely with her hands…
    It’s nice to see that you can communicate in a civil manner and not spew out all of the expletives! 🙂

    • Thanks: Gerard1234
  884. @songbird
    Anyone know where the escape bunker of Jeff Bezos is? (Doesn't seem like that island near Miami would be a good place for it)

    Makes me very suspicious, when he talks about the 10,000-Year Clock.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clock_of_the_Long_Now

    Feels like some empty kind of signaling, meant to deflect, as so many of these billionaires have bunkers now.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    There’s some mention within the Wiki article of Bezos’ property that he owns somewhere in Texas?

    It’s good to see that our political and cultural elite think about time. It shows that they are in need of a device that they can think about, presumably to use to compare there time here on earth as compared to eternity. Will they ever appear to think about the human soul and its place within eternity too? Stay tuned…

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    There’s some mention within the Wiki article of Bezos’ property that he owns somewhere in Texas?
     
    He does own a 400,000 acre ranch in West Texas.

    I think it was my second grade teacher who spoke about these gigantic ranches in Texas that surpassed all imagination. I forget exactly how she phrased it - something like "as big as Rhode Island.". Well, Rhode Island is like, what? 2x the size of Jeff's ranch? (Actually RI is a little bigger than that, but not much).

    It shows that they are in need of a device that they can think about, presumably to use to compare there time here on earth as compared to eternity
     
    The idea seems to be something like,everyone will ignore it initially. But, then, as time piles on, a hundred years or two, it will gain the patina of respectability, and people will make pilgrimages to it.

    I've mixed feelings about it.

    In a general sense, I think that people would benefit more from long-term thinking. Generational thinking. Like, plant a tree so that your grandchildren can enjoy its shade. Or how many years it took to build some cathedrals.

    But these don't seem like religious people. And 10,000 years seems quite implicitly transnational and even transracial. (Go back that far and Europeans wouldn't really exist for the most part, in a recognizable form.)

    The guy who popularized one-click shopping doesn't seem like he could think in anything but materialistic terms.
  885. @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234


    You are a true patriot, showing me a beautiful photo with the great Russian Imperial double-headed Eagle all across the Bell Tower! WTF were you thinking?
     
    I never even noticed the double eagle on the belltower of the St. Sophia cathedral. and wasn't at all concerned about its presence. Thanks to your exceptional eyesight (the symbols are slightly blurred in the photo, at least to me), however, we can now discuss this interesting symbolic appearance. With just a few clicks of my mouse, I was able to find a very good scholarly article that deals specifically with this issue: "THE DOUBLE-HEADED EAGLE IN THE STUCCO MOLDING OF THE BELL TOWER AND THE HOLY GATE OF ST. SOPHIA OF KYIV"

    I thought that this appearance was a bit strange, as most of us all know, huge amounts of funds were donated by Hetman Ivan Mazepa towards the restoration of this cathedral (in addition to 18 other
    church restoration projects and the construction of 12 new churches during his reign), and that he had a serious falling out with the Russian emperor. Here's a much better photo of what we're discussing for anybody else here interested in the topic:

    https://st-sophia.org.ua/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/1.Dzvinitsya-I-yarus-1024x683-2.jpg

    I'll let the author of this article, Dr. Natalia Nikitenko explain in her own words how and why this occurred:


    First of all, I would like to note that the above-mentioned St. Sophia shrines were created during the heyday of the Ukrainian Cossack state – the Hetmanate, and both the above mentioned figures were outstanding personalities of our history and culture, Ukrainian patriots, generous donors who built the national state and the Church. In addition, at the beginning of the 18th century, when the Bell Tower was built, Mazepa’s relations with the Russian Tsar Peter I became sharply worse, so the Hetman, who soon rose up against him, could not glorify the predatory Russian Tsar here. In fact, the hetman, who evidently saw the image of the double-headed eagle on Ukrainian monuments as historical symbols of national sovereignty, glorified the Ukrainian state and himself as its leader. It is not for nothing that his banner from the hetman’s capital Baturyn, which is kept in the Kharkiv Historical Museum, features a double-headed eagle – a symbol of his power, reminiscent of St. Sophia phenomena.
     
    The double eagle symbol was used throughout the areas associated with Byzantine culture. Here's a photo of Mazepa's personal banner that also included this symbolism:

    https://st-sophia.org.ua/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/3.-Prapor-Mazepi-rekonstruktsiya.jpeg

    Much more depth is offered within the complete article:
    https://st-sophia.org.ua/en/monuments-reveal-from-scientific-works-of-employees/the-double-headed-eagle-in-the-stucco-molding-of-the-bell-tower-and-the-holy-gate-of-st-sophia-of-kyiv/

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Gerard1234

    LMAO, Mr Hack, my good (but dimwit) friend! 2 things are certainties:

    1.That the sun will rise in the morning
    2. A contemporary ukrop “historian” will write anti-historical vomit, requiring the brain of an amoeba to believe.

    and that he had a serious falling out with the Russian emperor.

    He had no “falling out” with him Hack – he just betrayed him like the typical scumbag that classifies as a “Ukrainian” “hero”. There is nothing genetic or historical/cultural that can classify someone as “Ukrainian”, but parasitic lowlife treachery to serve foreign masters appears to be a mental characteristic of those with the disorder of “Ukrainianism”.

    Peter the Great was providing funds, military, friendship to Mazepa, who was was in regular contact with Peter and confidante/friend to him.

    Several prominent Cossacks were executed by Peter because he refused to believe that Mazepa was going to betray him after they warned him he was going to join the Swedish idiots ( who pillaged numerous Orthodox churches under the allowance of Mazepa). As Peter was providing much to Mazepa, on the other side Mazepa sent numerous peasants to help build Saint Petersburg.

    Clearly, it was inexplicable to Peter the 1st that Mazepa would betray him

    huge amounts of funds were donated by Hetman Ivan Mazepa towards the restoration of this cathedral (in addition to 18 other church

    Those “huge amounts of funds” were from human traffiking. Selling “Ukrainian” (i.e Russian) peasants as slaves to the Crimean Khanate or the Ottomans after abducting them. There is no other way he could have been richer than Menshikov.
    Those churches were built by decree of Peter the Great and by and for the RUSSIAN ORTHODOX church.
    Kiev was BOUGHT by the previous Tsar under the direction of the Russian Orthodox Church also. “Ukrainianism” had nothing to do with it now being a part of a Ukraine state – I am not even sure if Mazepa had ANY administration over it at the time.

    The double eagle symbol was used throughout the areas associated with Byzantine culture. Here’s a photo of Mazepa’s personal banner that also included this symbolism:

    Hack, you gay cretin……….1. This is total nonsense by this stupid bitch – it’s clearly the Russian gerb there. There is even the Orb and Spectre in the Eagles talons – which couldn’t make it more obvious this is Russian Imperial symbol

    2. How many Orthodox places, except Russia, were ruled by Orthodox leaders at the time? So saying “areas associated with Byzantine culture” is more nonsense as the Ottomans/A-H/Poles were not very supportive of this imagery.

    3. He was a citizen of the RUSSIAN Empire you dimwit Hack. Its only the shield that is Mazepa’s in the gerb, the entire remainder is clearly to indicate he is Russian citizen serving interests of Russian state.

    Oh……and that shield is nowhere on the Russian Imperial Double-headed Eagle on the Bell-tower

    Ukrainian patriots, generous donors who built the national state and the Church

    There was no such thing at the time as “Ukrainian” or “Ukrainian patriots”, they did not build any “national state” (the Getmanate was not a “state” in any form, except in the fantasies of ukronazis). That church was the RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CHURCH!!!!!

    In addition, at the beginning of the 18th century, when the Bell Tower was built,

    Is that a euphemism for “not built when Mazepa was alive”!!!?? As far as I know, the bell-tower now was built much later, maybe even a century later ( could be incorrect on that), by Russians.
    It makes zero sense that Peter or subsequent Tsars would allow Mazepa’s symbol to be on the bell-tower considering how strong the reaction was to Mazepa for centuries you clown! THINK before you quote some ukronazi bitch “historian” in the future Mr Hack.

  886. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Philip Owen

    Have you read Whitney Webb's book?

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    No. Title?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Philip Owen

    https://www.amazon.com/One-Nation-Under-Blackmail-Intelligence/dp/1634243013

    It's pretty good. Equal amounts of venom at Bushes and Clintons.

    George Bush I was an apex scumbag.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  887. He had no “falling out” with him Hack – he just betrayed him like the typical scumbag that classifies as a “Ukrainian” “hero”

    I think that we’re playing semantics here, but I can see how yo might feel that way, or how Peter may have felt that way. 🙂

    Those “huge amounts of funds” were from human traffiking. Selling “Ukrainian” (i.e Russian) peasants as slaves to the Crimean Khanate or the Ottomans after abducting them. There is no other way he could have been richer than Menshikov.

    Mazepa was fabulously rich, however, I’ve not ever read about him getting rich by selling Ukrainian peasants to the Ottoman Porte? Sorry, but you’ll need to provide some citations to get me to believe that one.

    the Getmanate was not a “state” in any form, except in the fantasies of ukronazis).

    I’ll have to disagree with you on this one. The wikipedia entry on the subject matter of the Hetmanate is actually quite detailed and includes a lot of goodinformaton:

    As ruler of the Hetmanate, Khmelnytsky engaged in state-building across multiple spheres: military, administration, finance, economics, and culture. He invested the Zaporozhian Host under the leadership of its hetman with supreme power in the new Ruthenian state, and he unified all the spheres of Ukrainian society under his authority. This involved building a government system and a developed military and civilian administration out of Cossack officers and Ruthenian nobles, as well as the establishment of an elite within the Cossack Hetman state.

    This is just a short quotation taken from the article that includes a lot more detail. The level of education down to the peasant level was o bviously quite advanced for its time, and even eclipsed both the Polish and Russian educational systems of the same timeframe.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-238/#comment-6354620

    it’s clearly the Russian gerb there. There is even the Orb and Spectre in the Eagles talons – which couldn’t make it more obvious this is Russian Imperial symbol

    You may have something here. It’s possible that the symbolism was still a leftover from an earlier time pointing to Russian Imperial influence, not general Byzantine influence. I’m not convinced either way at this point, but to be honest, don’t feel that it’s germain to the general observation that Ukraine was strongly advocating for a decoupling for itself from the clutches of Russian imperial control, a battle that is still going on today.

  888. Here’s the link to the wikipedia article (I don’t know why some comment link came up?):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossack_Hetmanate

  889. @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    Yanuk was hardly a "pro-Russian" - he spent his years in office playing both sides and negotiating with EU. How is that pro-Russian? But he was against provoking Russia with Nato bases, that's why he had to go. The fact that you will desperately deny this till the bitter end changes nothing on that obvious reality.

    The war is not about Finland and the Finns are normal people (generally). If they wanted to make their de facto membership in Nato official it is a small event - as people explained to you over and over the Finns are rational, small nation who will not allow their territory to be used to attack Russia. If they do, they will regret it - as they did in WW2. But you need "Finland" to feel less like a loser so you will go on and on about it - fine, if that is your consolation, you can have it.

    You are descending into parading openly your anti-Russian racism - that only reflects badly on you: not only a loser, but a bitter loser. Russians are like everyone else, good and bad, and you have no particular interest in them, you wanted their "stuff", the resources, and since you can't have it, you like in the sour-grapes story start yelling abuse at them.


    ...holding out for the fantasy of Russia taking Odessa
     
    No, I wrote that there is no way to know, but that Ukraine will be smaller and poorer after the war. If you had a brain you would understand that to be effectively landlocked not all coast has to be taken by Russia - Odessa can be easily blockaded, any state of ongoing hostility would make it almost useless.

    But those are details, what matters is the Nato Ukraine plan is being dismantled - Ukies are being sacrificed, their future sold for a few more months of good PR. Proud of it?

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Yanuk was hardly a “pro-Russian” – he spent his years in office playing both sides and negotiating with EU. How is that pro-Russian?

    He took millions in bribes from Russia and then fled there to escape corruption and murder charges.

    Not only pro-Russian but a traitor.

    But he was against provoking Russia with Nato bases, that’s why he had to go.

    That doesn’t make any sense. What exactly did you mean by this comment:
    That’s why Kiev provoking the war was such a tragic mistake (Maidan!), it was not at all thought through.

    You are now claiming Kiev is at fault for the war over what happened in 2014? Is that right?

    Are you suggesting that they should have kept their corrupt pro-Russian president in office?

    If they do, they will regret it – as they did in WW2. But you need “Finland” to feel less like a loser so you will go on and on about it – fine, if that is your consolation, you can have it.

    Feel like a loser? That doesn’t make any sense. I never claimed that Ukraine would get all of their land back and in fact stated that Crimea should probably used as a bargaining point. Though I would prefer to see Ukraine get their 2021 borders I think an end with the current lines is a loss for Putin. NATO moved East and free Ukraine will be decidedly anti-Russian. This is really just a terrible trade-off from Putin’s perspective. Russia was in a much better position before the war.

    Putin gave very clear goals of the war while you and others here would like his invasion speech to be ignored as it shows he cannot meet those goals without taking all of Ukraine. You are trying to make this personal out of desperation. I pointed out his goals and you tried to re-direct to my feelings of all things. Normal people believe in holding politicians accountable for clearly stated goals of something like an invasion. I’m not going to forget his invasion speech in favor of constantly changing goals that just happen to favor Putin. That is just classic whoring for a dictator. I am also not going to forget about how his supporters at Unz told us the war was needed to keep NATO from moving East. That was after they told us the war would never happen and that it was just a training exercise. And now what? Finland joining NATO doesn’t matter? Even you and QCIC can’t agree on why this war exists or what a success looks like. The dwarf dictator can’t even leave a consistent line of bullshit for his own supporters.

    [MORE]

    You are descending into parading openly your anti-Russian racism – that only reflects badly on you: not only a loser, but a bitter loser.

    The left makes similar statements when Whites make politically correct observations about certain groups and countries.

    Since the left knows that such observations are most likely true they switch to the tactic of trying to demean the person making the observation. You’re only making those reality based observations because you are evil/greedy/Bad White/etc.

    The problem is that such observations are at times required to undermine ineffective policy. If a solution isn’t working or is a poor investment then such observations can save time and funding for everyone. For example billions were already spent on Russia after the collapse of the USSR under the expectation that they would develop just as quickly as the Baltics. That turned out to be false and a waste of US funds. The cynics were correct and the British 19th century take on Russians was closer to the truth. As with leftists you turn your ire on the observer as you really don’t have faith in your own expectations.

    No, I wrote that there is no way to know, but that Ukraine will be smaller and poorer after the war. If you had a brain you would understand that to be effectively landlocked not all coast has to be taken by Russia – Odessa can be easily blockaded, any state of ongoing hostility would make it almost useless.

    Blockaded with ships? Like the ones Ukraine has sunk with jet-ski drones?

    Putin doesn’t want to leave the war in a state of hostility. They are suffering from sanctions and need a return of normal trade relations with Europe. If Putin could play a long game then he wouldn’t be sending conscript waves at Avdiivka. It just doesn’t make any sense. Economic conditions are most likely worse than what is being reported. He is playing a dangerous game of massively investing into arms while not fixing underlying problems. The egg shortage shows exactly what can happen. You build all kinds of new armor but then people run out of the basics.

  890. Critical thinking can’t be taught – you simply lack it. Instead you repeat the obsessive and mostly false minutia factoids that you have gathered without understanding anything.

    Yanuk left for Russia AFTER he was overthrown – not before. Whether he was also a thief is irrelevant, all of them are, trust me, so are most of the EU honchos – it comes with the territory. What matters is that he was elected and his term was expiring later in 2014. Maidan was an illegal government overthrow – think about what you said about Jan 6 mini-demonstration and compare it to Maidan.

    But it was worse, the way it was done with the anti-Russian hysteria (“kill Moskali!”), join-Nato enthusiasm, outlawing Russian language in schools-offices, foreign leaders paying openly for it and marching around Maidan – talk about “foreign interference”, what was that? It was a tragic misstep that led Ukraine to the war they are losing and that is destroying them.

    You can try to hide your hatred of Russia by comparing them to the blacks and as a proper white Nazi then justifying it. It is your personal issue and it sounds very stupid. As does your idiotic labeling everything you don’t like as “leftist”. Were Bush or Romney “leftists”? You are lost in your infantile ideology.

    Kiev is losing the war and Ukraine will not be in Nato. It will be a small state with smaller population of 15-20 million, it will have no ability to threaten Russia – after losing the war they will very weak, some will be angry, most will be angry at their leaders who led them like lemmings into the disaster.

    The loss in Ukraine is also a loss for Nato – they pushed it as hard as they could, and they failed. EU will not militarize, it simply can’t – the consumer culture and unwillingness to risk, you don’t understand modern Europe. US is not far behind and will also pull back after the loss in Ukraine. It didn’t work because it counted on Russia not acting. Once Russia did, this result was inevitable.

    For Russia it will be a win: new territories, pushing Nato back, control over Black Sea – don’t fool yourself, Russia can blow out of water any ship in the Black Sea, why do you think no Nato ships go there since 2022? I don’t care about what happens in Russia domestically, it is their business. You blab about “eggs” like an obsessive loser trying to hide the loss.

    Russia economy has clearly not collapsed (not my view, read WSJ), the Euro economies are doing worse. Germany (EU engine) simply can’t prosper without resources and markets: they had them in Russia, they can try US or Africa but it won’t be the same: costs are higher and customers fewer. Finland is a mini-Germany: they are now officially in Nato and they are paying a price in business.

    At the end “money” runs the world – and money my sorry WalMart friend, are not the electronic blips by a committee in Washington or Frankfurt, money is the way we keep track of actual material resources, tradeable stuff. The virtual money always follows material realities – not vice-versa. So good luck, but it is not looking that good for the West – they overplayed their hand and lost. But enjoy your omelette.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Critical thinking can’t be taught – you simply lack it. Instead you repeat the obsessive and mostly false minutia factoids that you have gathered without understanding anything.

    LOL I'm sure the pro-Putin side can teach us about critical thinking. They've been citing Scott Ritter who is literally looking for a job in Chechnya after his fans finally saw his ineptitude over Hamas.

    Scott Ritter, MacGregor, Vox pop, Moon of Alabama. All consistently wrong about the war. Putin seems to draw defenders that are unable to think critically about what is in front of them. Oh and he also seems to draw criminals and a disbarred lawyer. Still haven't a seen a US or EU blogger with children defend him. He does however have fans within the alt-right incel crowd (Anglin and Fuentes).

    Disgraced Ex-Marine Offers Kadyrov's Army 'Friendship' With America
    https://www.newsweek.com/scott-ritter-chechnya-visit-kadyrov-army-speech-1858652

    Yanuk left for Russia AFTER he was overthrown – not before.

    He fled before he could be tried and was convicted in absentia.

    What matters is that he was elected and his term was expiring later in 2014. Maidan was an illegal government overthrow – think about what you said about Jan 6 mini-demonstration and compare it to Maidan.


    You are saying they would not have provoked a war if they tried him in court and imprisoned him? Do you think Putin believed he was innocent or guilty?

    You can try to hide your hatred of Russia by comparing them to the blacks and as a proper white Nazi then justifying it.

    I've talked about how Russians remind me of Blacks in how they rally around a "big man" leader and default to him due to a shortage of ideal leaders. Such casual observations doesn't mean I support Nazi policies.

    This might blow your mind but accepting that all people don't share the same genetic distribution does not make one a Nazi. I don't believe that American cities will ever be as efficient as Danish cities. Does that make me a pro-Danish fascist? As with leftists you are being overly-sensitive and assume ill intent when non-Whites normally make the same observations. I'm not an egalitarian and don't expect equal outcomes from all groups. In fact I take offense to these globalist magic bullet theories from both right and left as they end up assuming some intervention is needed to the unleash the Danes within the natives. I don't actually care if Somalia becomes a first world country. It's modern madness to think we are all supposed to be one big globe of shopping malls with the same standards. A modern sickness and if anything these countries are harmed around Western race denial theories that end up causing brain drain through immigration.

    Kiev is losing the war and Ukraine will not be in Nato.

    Well I disagree that they are losing the war. I don't think anyone is winning at the moment. More of a stalemate with heavy losses on both sides.

    For Russia it will be a win: new territories, pushing Nato back, control over Black Sea

    They can't push NATO back without somehow talking Finland into leaving. I already provided a map that shows the new NATO border. Maybe we need to dig up some classic posts where Putin's defenders told us the war needed to happen to stop missile silos on the border. Well adding Finland put more NATO border on Russian than Ukraine.

    Russia economy has clearly not collapsed (not my view, read WSJ)

    Maybe try quoting me or respond to the WSJ on your own. I said Putin is playing a dangerous game with war spending and we don't know the true state of the economy. Do you think the stated inflation rate is honest?

    At the end “money” runs the world

    Which is actually why Russia needs to end the war. They have a GDP smaller than Texas. This isn't a war they can afford as a side hobby. The US can easily afford another round of garage sale military donations. Heck we have something like 2000 Bradleys just sitting around.

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

  891. @A123
    @German_reader


    the annexations of Kherson and Zaporizhia have made the situation much worse and a negotiated settlement much more unlikely, since it’s pretty much impossible for any Ukrainian government to recognize those illegitimate annexations. That much is true. There are also some Russian demands that Ukraine should never accept (like unilateral de-militarization or being forced back into Russia’s Eurasian structures).

    However, if you reject any negotiations, what exactly is the desired outcome supposed to be? How is this war supposed to end? The idea of some total victory over Russia which has the Russian army being outright defeated or Russia just giving up and leaving isn’t very credible.
     
    It is worth restating that Ukraine is physically huge. There is enough available for the sides to make a deal that no one likes, but both sides can accept.

    Ukraine spent years threatening Crimea. The need for the "land bridge" is now locked in as a Russian necessity. The current line is functional, with some tweaks, as a new border. It may be difficult for Ukraine to accept, but there is no way to roll it back.
    ___

    There is a difference between "military limits" and "demilitarization". While Russia would prefer the later, the former is negotiable. Merkel admits intentional subterfuge on the Minsk deal, thus buying time for Kiev to arm up for Round 1.

    The only way to prevent Ukraine from starting Round 2 are sensible & enforceable "military limits", including No NATO Ever & sharp restrictions on foreign forces. Keeping Kiev below the line where they would relaunch the conflict is key.
    ___

    One would expect Russia to make painful concessions on the economic front in return for their necessities tied to territory and military limits. The new, smaller Ukraine will want to depart Russia’s Eurasian structures for EU business relationships.

    For example, the difficulty sending grain and other goods to Germany points out Ukraine's desire to regauge their cargo rail system to the European standard. This process will eventually make the new border a steep economic barrier for anything other than truck load commerce.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    One would expect Russia to make painful concessions on the economic front in return for their necessities tied to territory and military limits.

    At the bargaining table Russia will have to explain why they should get Zaporizhzhia Oblast when it was never majority Russian and was staunchly pro-Zelensky in the election. Putin’s latest excuse for the war is “protecting Russia” with the implication that the occupied areas are pro-Russian. That excuse falls well short for Zaporizhizia. Is Putin going to argue that Ukrainian majority areas that hate him are actually Russian?

    For example, the difficulty sending grain and other goods to Germany points out Ukraine’s desire to regauge their cargo rail system to the European standard. This process will eventually make the new border a steep economic barrier for anything other than truck load commerce.

    What they’ll probably do is have a mixed system which leaves a best of both worlds.

    Ukrainian grain that can easily travel east or west.

    It’s also possible that it will become a moot point and they’ll just sell most of it through the docks to countries like China and Egypt. China could buy Germany’s current take with pocket change.

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson


    At the bargaining table Russia will have to explain why they should get Zaporizhzhia Oblast
     
    Because Finland joined NATO! -- Explanation complete! 😆

    More seriously, do you realize how negotiations work? The two most important things are national interest and relative strength. Morality and "explanation" rarely get to approach the table.

    Kiev cannot take the Russian controlled portion of Zaporizhzhia by force. So the only question that matters is, "What is Kiev willing to concede for that land?" And, Finland leaving NATO would not be a sufficient.

    Putin’s latest excuse
     
    How is this consistent with your prior position? -- That Putin is "losing" because the ONE SPEECH is IMMUTABLE. No other words before or after have meaning.

    If you concede that goals can change, then you should understand why everyone else believes that that Putin is "winning". His new goals include, but are not necessarily limited to:

    • Most of 4 oblasts, instead of 2.
    • ZNPP, the largest nuclear plant in Europe
    • Access to the Dnieper, which will provide water to Crimea
    • The “Land Bridge” for security & economic connection to Crimea.
    • More intangible but still potent — Abject, crushing humiliation of Merkel/Scholz, Macron, and other European elites.

    PEACE 😇
  892. @Beckow
    Critical thinking can't be taught - you simply lack it. Instead you repeat the obsessive and mostly false minutia factoids that you have gathered without understanding anything.

    Yanuk left for Russia AFTER he was overthrown - not before. Whether he was also a thief is irrelevant, all of them are, trust me, so are most of the EU honchos - it comes with the territory. What matters is that he was elected and his term was expiring later in 2014. Maidan was an illegal government overthrow - think about what you said about Jan 6 mini-demonstration and compare it to Maidan.

    But it was worse, the way it was done with the anti-Russian hysteria ("kill Moskali!"), join-Nato enthusiasm, outlawing Russian language in schools-offices, foreign leaders paying openly for it and marching around Maidan - talk about "foreign interference", what was that? It was a tragic misstep that led Ukraine to the war they are losing and that is destroying them.

    You can try to hide your hatred of Russia by comparing them to the blacks and as a proper white Nazi then justifying it. It is your personal issue and it sounds very stupid. As does your idiotic labeling everything you don't like as "leftist". Were Bush or Romney "leftists"? You are lost in your infantile ideology.

    Kiev is losing the war and Ukraine will not be in Nato. It will be a small state with smaller population of 15-20 million, it will have no ability to threaten Russia - after losing the war they will very weak, some will be angry, most will be angry at their leaders who led them like lemmings into the disaster.

    The loss in Ukraine is also a loss for Nato - they pushed it as hard as they could, and they failed. EU will not militarize, it simply can't - the consumer culture and unwillingness to risk, you don't understand modern Europe. US is not far behind and will also pull back after the loss in Ukraine. It didn't work because it counted on Russia not acting. Once Russia did, this result was inevitable.

    For Russia it will be a win: new territories, pushing Nato back, control over Black Sea - don't fool yourself, Russia can blow out of water any ship in the Black Sea, why do you think no Nato ships go there since 2022? I don't care about what happens in Russia domestically, it is their business. You blab about "eggs" like an obsessive loser trying to hide the loss.

    Russia economy has clearly not collapsed (not my view, read WSJ), the Euro economies are doing worse. Germany (EU engine) simply can't prosper without resources and markets: they had them in Russia, they can try US or Africa but it won't be the same: costs are higher and customers fewer. Finland is a mini-Germany: they are now officially in Nato and they are paying a price in business.

    At the end "money" runs the world - and money my sorry WalMart friend, are not the electronic blips by a committee in Washington or Frankfurt, money is the way we keep track of actual material resources, tradeable stuff. The virtual money always follows material realities - not vice-versa. So good luck, but it is not looking that good for the West - they overplayed their hand and lost. But enjoy your omelette.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Critical thinking can’t be taught – you simply lack it. Instead you repeat the obsessive and mostly false minutia factoids that you have gathered without understanding anything.

    LOL I’m sure the pro-Putin side can teach us about critical thinking. They’ve been citing Scott Ritter who is literally looking for a job in Chechnya after his fans finally saw his ineptitude over Hamas.

    Scott Ritter, MacGregor, Vox pop, Moon of Alabama. All consistently wrong about the war. Putin seems to draw defenders that are unable to think critically about what is in front of them. Oh and he also seems to draw criminals and a disbarred lawyer. Still haven’t a seen a US or EU blogger with children defend him. He does however have fans within the alt-right incel crowd (Anglin and Fuentes).

    Disgraced Ex-Marine Offers Kadyrov’s Army ‘Friendship’ With America
    https://www.newsweek.com/scott-ritter-chechnya-visit-kadyrov-army-speech-1858652

    Yanuk left for Russia AFTER he was overthrown – not before.

    He fled before he could be tried and was convicted in absentia.

    What matters is that he was elected and his term was expiring later in 2014. Maidan was an illegal government overthrow – think about what you said about Jan 6 mini-demonstration and compare it to Maidan.

    [MORE]

    You are saying they would not have provoked a war if they tried him in court and imprisoned him? Do you think Putin believed he was innocent or guilty?

    You can try to hide your hatred of Russia by comparing them to the blacks and as a proper white Nazi then justifying it.

    I’ve talked about how Russians remind me of Blacks in how they rally around a “big man” leader and default to him due to a shortage of ideal leaders. Such casual observations doesn’t mean I support Nazi policies.

    This might blow your mind but accepting that all people don’t share the same genetic distribution does not make one a Nazi. I don’t believe that American cities will ever be as efficient as Danish cities. Does that make me a pro-Danish fascist? As with leftists you are being overly-sensitive and assume ill intent when non-Whites normally make the same observations. I’m not an egalitarian and don’t expect equal outcomes from all groups. In fact I take offense to these globalist magic bullet theories from both right and left as they end up assuming some intervention is needed to the unleash the Danes within the natives. I don’t actually care if Somalia becomes a first world country. It’s modern madness to think we are all supposed to be one big globe of shopping malls with the same standards. A modern sickness and if anything these countries are harmed around Western race denial theories that end up causing brain drain through immigration.

    Kiev is losing the war and Ukraine will not be in Nato.

    Well I disagree that they are losing the war. I don’t think anyone is winning at the moment. More of a stalemate with heavy losses on both sides.

    For Russia it will be a win: new territories, pushing Nato back, control over Black Sea

    They can’t push NATO back without somehow talking Finland into leaving. I already provided a map that shows the new NATO border. Maybe we need to dig up some classic posts where Putin’s defenders told us the war needed to happen to stop missile silos on the border. Well adding Finland put more NATO border on Russian than Ukraine.

    Russia economy has clearly not collapsed (not my view, read WSJ)

    Maybe try quoting me or respond to the WSJ on your own. I said Putin is playing a dangerous game with war spending and we don’t know the true state of the economy. Do you think the stated inflation rate is honest?

    At the end “money” runs the world

    Which is actually why Russia needs to end the war. They have a GDP smaller than Texas. This isn’t a war they can afford as a side hobby. The US can easily afford another round of garage sale military donations. Heck we have something like 2000 Bradleys just sitting around.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    Your obsession with Finland is touching, they are a small country of 5 million - it sounds since you lost in Ukraine, you are like a small child hiding in "Finland is in Nato!! haha". Don't you see how pathetic that is?


    At the end “money” runs the world

    Which is actually why Russia needs to end the war. They have a GDP smaller than Texas. This isn’t a war they can afford as a side hobby. The US can easily afford
     
    GDP is not the size of the material economy: it is the measure of economic activity at prices reported in that country. It is not representative of the country's ability to fight a war, that depends on the material economy. In that respect Russia, and especially China, are substantially better off than your Texas, or most of Europe. They have material resources and make stuff - they don't flip financial products or charge $500 for a "vaccine shot" to beef up their "GNP" economy. That may actually be a benefit...:)

    Do you think the stated inflation rate is honest?
     
    As accurate and "honest" as inflation rates published by all governments. There is no way to accurately measure what and in what proportion should go into the formula - the formulas also change all the time. If US has kept the mid-70's formula the reported inflation today would be 11% and not 4%. It is a game with many moving parts...how much is housing portion worth? how much medical and university costs in countries that have universal insurance (Denmark or Russia) and free higher education? You are playing a fool's game with manipulated numbers. Everywhere.

    Regarding the list that you are fighting with: Ritters, Chechens, (Hamas?)....I don't know who they are or what their views are. I have my own - if you want to fight with them or yell at Putin for a bad speech, do it with them. You are doing is a classical straw-man.


    stalemate with heavy losses on both sides
     
    The losses are not heavy for either sides - they are huge combatants with tens of millions of people, losses are in 100's of thousands, that would be 2-3%. Painful, but it will not be decisive. What will decide it are heavy weapons and proximity (ability to resupply) - and Russia has dominance in both. The black guy who run your country (Barak something) said one true thing: Russia will always have escalation dominance in that region. That is a truism - the only way to defeat it would be with magical weapons or financial collapse in Russia. By now we know that will not happen. That settles it - it can be short or long, more or less bloody, but at the end Russia will win. And taking territory is a win - you can hallucinate that they didn't take Kiev, Lvov, or even "Finland", but it doesn't change the reality that Russia would win.
    , @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    My view has always been that Western meddling in Ukraine crossed the "thin-red line" for Russia. The red line had previously been created by the pressure from the USA and NATO since the end of the Cold War. Russia reacted to the most recent western provocations (Maidan coup and making the AFU NATO interoperable) in ways which are predictable even though many important details are not clear to outsiders including Unz readers.

    It took me a long time to come up with a speculative theory for the Kiev feint. I suspect Russia was not ready to blunt a NATO blitzkrieg on Crimea without being forced to escalate dangerously. Instead of escalating she made the feint toward Kiev with the resources at hand. NATO and Ukraine were both thinking total war at that point so they were forced to defend instead of attack.

    Since then the pace of the SMO has continued to be very gradual. This makes sense to me. Russia is killing off Ukrainian soldiers and NeoNazis, grinding down political hardliners and slowly building up her own conventional forces. If their economy had weakened quickly I think the Russians would have been faced with the choice to escalate or die. This may yet happen.

    The long term picture for Ukraine may be influenced by what happens with China as well as the dollar system.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    A modern sickness and if anything these countries are harmed around Western race denial theories that end up causing brain drain through immigration.
     
    Though TBF, smart people from the Third World can probably accomplish more in the First World than in the Third World. Would Elon Musk have been able to create Tesla had he stayed in South Africa, for instance?
  893. @Philip Owen
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    No. Title?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    It’s pretty good. Equal amounts of venom at Bushes and Clintons.

    George Bush I was an apex scumbag.

    • Thanks: Philip Owen
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    George Bush I was an apex scumbag.
     
    Hard to tell. The competition is way too strong in this regard. After Eisenhauer pretty much every president was a scumbag and/or a sleazeball. Maybe Kennedy, Nixon, and Trump were a bit lesser scumbags/sleazeballs than others.

    Speaking of Kennedy assassination: he offended two equally criminal organizations, Mafia and Israel. I wouldn’t put his murder past either one of these.

    Replies: @QCIC

  894. @John Johnson
    @A123

    One would expect Russia to make painful concessions on the economic front in return for their necessities tied to territory and military limits.

    At the bargaining table Russia will have to explain why they should get Zaporizhzhia Oblast when it was never majority Russian and was staunchly pro-Zelensky in the election. Putin's latest excuse for the war is "protecting Russia" with the implication that the occupied areas are pro-Russian. That excuse falls well short for Zaporizhizia. Is Putin going to argue that Ukrainian majority areas that hate him are actually Russian?

    For example, the difficulty sending grain and other goods to Germany points out Ukraine’s desire to regauge their cargo rail system to the European standard. This process will eventually make the new border a steep economic barrier for anything other than truck load commerce.

    What they'll probably do is have a mixed system which leaves a best of both worlds.

    Ukrainian grain that can easily travel east or west.

    It's also possible that it will become a moot point and they'll just sell most of it through the docks to countries like China and Egypt. China could buy Germany's current take with pocket change.

    Replies: @A123

    At the bargaining table Russia will have to explain why they should get Zaporizhzhia Oblast

    Because Finland joined NATO! — Explanation complete! 😆

    More seriously, do you realize how negotiations work? The two most important things are national interest and relative strength. Morality and “explanation” rarely get to approach the table.

    Kiev cannot take the Russian controlled portion of Zaporizhzhia by force. So the only question that matters is, “What is Kiev willing to concede for that land?” And, Finland leaving NATO would not be a sufficient.

    Putin’s latest excuse

    How is this consistent with your prior position? — That Putin is “losing” because the ONE SPEECH is IMMUTABLE. No other words before or after have meaning.

    If you concede that goals can change, then you should understand why everyone else believes that that Putin is “winning”. His new goals include, but are not necessarily limited to:

    • Most of 4 oblasts, instead of 2.
    • ZNPP, the largest nuclear plant in Europe
    • Access to the Dnieper, which will provide water to Crimea
    • The “Land Bridge” for security & economic connection to Crimea.
    • More intangible but still potent — Abject, crushing humiliation of Merkel/Scholz, Macron, and other European elites.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Beckow
  895. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Philip Owen

    https://www.amazon.com/One-Nation-Under-Blackmail-Intelligence/dp/1634243013

    It's pretty good. Equal amounts of venom at Bushes and Clintons.

    George Bush I was an apex scumbag.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    George Bush I was an apex scumbag.

    Hard to tell. The competition is way too strong in this regard. After Eisenhauer pretty much every president was a scumbag and/or a sleazeball. Maybe Kennedy, Nixon, and Trump were a bit lesser scumbags/sleazeballs than others.

    Speaking of Kennedy assassination: he offended two equally criminal organizations, Mafia and Israel. I wouldn’t put his murder past either one of these.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AnonfromTN

    I agree with ENR that George Bush 1 was the worst of the lot since Kennedy. I think Bush had a bit of personal agency (as a member of a senior crime family) in these devious and dangerous political matters. Most subsequent US presidents were puppets or near puppets.

  896. @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    George Bush I was an apex scumbag.
     
    Hard to tell. The competition is way too strong in this regard. After Eisenhauer pretty much every president was a scumbag and/or a sleazeball. Maybe Kennedy, Nixon, and Trump were a bit lesser scumbags/sleazeballs than others.

    Speaking of Kennedy assassination: he offended two equally criminal organizations, Mafia and Israel. I wouldn’t put his murder past either one of these.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I agree with ENR that George Bush 1 was the worst of the lot since Kennedy. I think Bush had a bit of personal agency (as a member of a senior crime family) in these devious and dangerous political matters. Most subsequent US presidents were puppets or near puppets.

  897. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Critical thinking can’t be taught – you simply lack it. Instead you repeat the obsessive and mostly false minutia factoids that you have gathered without understanding anything.

    LOL I'm sure the pro-Putin side can teach us about critical thinking. They've been citing Scott Ritter who is literally looking for a job in Chechnya after his fans finally saw his ineptitude over Hamas.

    Scott Ritter, MacGregor, Vox pop, Moon of Alabama. All consistently wrong about the war. Putin seems to draw defenders that are unable to think critically about what is in front of them. Oh and he also seems to draw criminals and a disbarred lawyer. Still haven't a seen a US or EU blogger with children defend him. He does however have fans within the alt-right incel crowd (Anglin and Fuentes).

    Disgraced Ex-Marine Offers Kadyrov's Army 'Friendship' With America
    https://www.newsweek.com/scott-ritter-chechnya-visit-kadyrov-army-speech-1858652

    Yanuk left for Russia AFTER he was overthrown – not before.

    He fled before he could be tried and was convicted in absentia.

    What matters is that he was elected and his term was expiring later in 2014. Maidan was an illegal government overthrow – think about what you said about Jan 6 mini-demonstration and compare it to Maidan.


    You are saying they would not have provoked a war if they tried him in court and imprisoned him? Do you think Putin believed he was innocent or guilty?

    You can try to hide your hatred of Russia by comparing them to the blacks and as a proper white Nazi then justifying it.

    I've talked about how Russians remind me of Blacks in how they rally around a "big man" leader and default to him due to a shortage of ideal leaders. Such casual observations doesn't mean I support Nazi policies.

    This might blow your mind but accepting that all people don't share the same genetic distribution does not make one a Nazi. I don't believe that American cities will ever be as efficient as Danish cities. Does that make me a pro-Danish fascist? As with leftists you are being overly-sensitive and assume ill intent when non-Whites normally make the same observations. I'm not an egalitarian and don't expect equal outcomes from all groups. In fact I take offense to these globalist magic bullet theories from both right and left as they end up assuming some intervention is needed to the unleash the Danes within the natives. I don't actually care if Somalia becomes a first world country. It's modern madness to think we are all supposed to be one big globe of shopping malls with the same standards. A modern sickness and if anything these countries are harmed around Western race denial theories that end up causing brain drain through immigration.

    Kiev is losing the war and Ukraine will not be in Nato.

    Well I disagree that they are losing the war. I don't think anyone is winning at the moment. More of a stalemate with heavy losses on both sides.

    For Russia it will be a win: new territories, pushing Nato back, control over Black Sea

    They can't push NATO back without somehow talking Finland into leaving. I already provided a map that shows the new NATO border. Maybe we need to dig up some classic posts where Putin's defenders told us the war needed to happen to stop missile silos on the border. Well adding Finland put more NATO border on Russian than Ukraine.

    Russia economy has clearly not collapsed (not my view, read WSJ)

    Maybe try quoting me or respond to the WSJ on your own. I said Putin is playing a dangerous game with war spending and we don't know the true state of the economy. Do you think the stated inflation rate is honest?

    At the end “money” runs the world

    Which is actually why Russia needs to end the war. They have a GDP smaller than Texas. This isn't a war they can afford as a side hobby. The US can easily afford another round of garage sale military donations. Heck we have something like 2000 Bradleys just sitting around.

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    Your obsession with Finland is touching, they are a small country of 5 million – it sounds since you lost in Ukraine, you are like a small child hiding in “Finland is in Nato!! haha”. Don’t you see how pathetic that is?

    At the end “money” runs the world

    Which is actually why Russia needs to end the war. They have a GDP smaller than Texas. This isn’t a war they can afford as a side hobby. The US can easily afford

    GDP is not the size of the material economy: it is the measure of economic activity at prices reported in that country. It is not representative of the country’s ability to fight a war, that depends on the material economy. In that respect Russia, and especially China, are substantially better off than your Texas, or most of Europe. They have material resources and make stuff – they don’t flip financial products or charge $500 for a “vaccine shot” to beef up their “GNP” economy. That may actually be a benefit…:)

    Do you think the stated inflation rate is honest?

    As accurate and “honest” as inflation rates published by all governments. There is no way to accurately measure what and in what proportion should go into the formula – the formulas also change all the time. If US has kept the mid-70’s formula the reported inflation today would be 11% and not 4%. It is a game with many moving parts…how much is housing portion worth? how much medical and university costs in countries that have universal insurance (Denmark or Russia) and free higher education? You are playing a fool’s game with manipulated numbers. Everywhere.

    Regarding the list that you are fighting with: Ritters, Chechens, (Hamas?)….I don’t know who they are or what their views are. I have my own – if you want to fight with them or yell at Putin for a bad speech, do it with them. You are doing is a classical straw-man.

    stalemate with heavy losses on both sides

    The losses are not heavy for either sides – they are huge combatants with tens of millions of people, losses are in 100’s of thousands, that would be 2-3%. Painful, but it will not be decisive. What will decide it are heavy weapons and proximity (ability to resupply) – and Russia has dominance in both. The black guy who run your country (Barak something) said one true thing: Russia will always have escalation dominance in that region. That is a truism – the only way to defeat it would be with magical weapons or financial collapse in Russia. By now we know that will not happen. That settles it – it can be short or long, more or less bloody, but at the end Russia will win. And taking territory is a win – you can hallucinate that they didn’t take Kiev, Lvov, or even “Finland”, but it doesn’t change the reality that Russia would win.

  898. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Critical thinking can’t be taught – you simply lack it. Instead you repeat the obsessive and mostly false minutia factoids that you have gathered without understanding anything.

    LOL I'm sure the pro-Putin side can teach us about critical thinking. They've been citing Scott Ritter who is literally looking for a job in Chechnya after his fans finally saw his ineptitude over Hamas.

    Scott Ritter, MacGregor, Vox pop, Moon of Alabama. All consistently wrong about the war. Putin seems to draw defenders that are unable to think critically about what is in front of them. Oh and he also seems to draw criminals and a disbarred lawyer. Still haven't a seen a US or EU blogger with children defend him. He does however have fans within the alt-right incel crowd (Anglin and Fuentes).

    Disgraced Ex-Marine Offers Kadyrov's Army 'Friendship' With America
    https://www.newsweek.com/scott-ritter-chechnya-visit-kadyrov-army-speech-1858652

    Yanuk left for Russia AFTER he was overthrown – not before.

    He fled before he could be tried and was convicted in absentia.

    What matters is that he was elected and his term was expiring later in 2014. Maidan was an illegal government overthrow – think about what you said about Jan 6 mini-demonstration and compare it to Maidan.


    You are saying they would not have provoked a war if they tried him in court and imprisoned him? Do you think Putin believed he was innocent or guilty?

    You can try to hide your hatred of Russia by comparing them to the blacks and as a proper white Nazi then justifying it.

    I've talked about how Russians remind me of Blacks in how they rally around a "big man" leader and default to him due to a shortage of ideal leaders. Such casual observations doesn't mean I support Nazi policies.

    This might blow your mind but accepting that all people don't share the same genetic distribution does not make one a Nazi. I don't believe that American cities will ever be as efficient as Danish cities. Does that make me a pro-Danish fascist? As with leftists you are being overly-sensitive and assume ill intent when non-Whites normally make the same observations. I'm not an egalitarian and don't expect equal outcomes from all groups. In fact I take offense to these globalist magic bullet theories from both right and left as they end up assuming some intervention is needed to the unleash the Danes within the natives. I don't actually care if Somalia becomes a first world country. It's modern madness to think we are all supposed to be one big globe of shopping malls with the same standards. A modern sickness and if anything these countries are harmed around Western race denial theories that end up causing brain drain through immigration.

    Kiev is losing the war and Ukraine will not be in Nato.

    Well I disagree that they are losing the war. I don't think anyone is winning at the moment. More of a stalemate with heavy losses on both sides.

    For Russia it will be a win: new territories, pushing Nato back, control over Black Sea

    They can't push NATO back without somehow talking Finland into leaving. I already provided a map that shows the new NATO border. Maybe we need to dig up some classic posts where Putin's defenders told us the war needed to happen to stop missile silos on the border. Well adding Finland put more NATO border on Russian than Ukraine.

    Russia economy has clearly not collapsed (not my view, read WSJ)

    Maybe try quoting me or respond to the WSJ on your own. I said Putin is playing a dangerous game with war spending and we don't know the true state of the economy. Do you think the stated inflation rate is honest?

    At the end “money” runs the world

    Which is actually why Russia needs to end the war. They have a GDP smaller than Texas. This isn't a war they can afford as a side hobby. The US can easily afford another round of garage sale military donations. Heck we have something like 2000 Bradleys just sitting around.

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    My view has always been that Western meddling in Ukraine crossed the “thin-red line” for Russia. The red line had previously been created by the pressure from the USA and NATO since the end of the Cold War. Russia reacted to the most recent western provocations (Maidan coup and making the AFU NATO interoperable) in ways which are predictable even though many important details are not clear to outsiders including Unz readers.

    It took me a long time to come up with a speculative theory for the Kiev feint. I suspect Russia was not ready to blunt a NATO blitzkrieg on Crimea without being forced to escalate dangerously. Instead of escalating she made the feint toward Kiev with the resources at hand. NATO and Ukraine were both thinking total war at that point so they were forced to defend instead of attack.

    Since then the pace of the SMO has continued to be very gradual. This makes sense to me. Russia is killing off Ukrainian soldiers and NeoNazis, grinding down political hardliners and slowly building up her own conventional forces. If their economy had weakened quickly I think the Russians would have been faced with the choice to escalate or die. This may yet happen.

    The long term picture for Ukraine may be influenced by what happens with China as well as the dollar system.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    The long term picture for Ukraine
     
    That is very clear: used condoms are thrown away, not even recycled.
  899. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    My view has always been that Western meddling in Ukraine crossed the "thin-red line" for Russia. The red line had previously been created by the pressure from the USA and NATO since the end of the Cold War. Russia reacted to the most recent western provocations (Maidan coup and making the AFU NATO interoperable) in ways which are predictable even though many important details are not clear to outsiders including Unz readers.

    It took me a long time to come up with a speculative theory for the Kiev feint. I suspect Russia was not ready to blunt a NATO blitzkrieg on Crimea without being forced to escalate dangerously. Instead of escalating she made the feint toward Kiev with the resources at hand. NATO and Ukraine were both thinking total war at that point so they were forced to defend instead of attack.

    Since then the pace of the SMO has continued to be very gradual. This makes sense to me. Russia is killing off Ukrainian soldiers and NeoNazis, grinding down political hardliners and slowly building up her own conventional forces. If their economy had weakened quickly I think the Russians would have been faced with the choice to escalate or die. This may yet happen.

    The long term picture for Ukraine may be influenced by what happens with China as well as the dollar system.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    The long term picture for Ukraine

    That is very clear: used condoms are thrown away, not even recycled.

    • LOL: Gerard1234
  900. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    There's some mention within the Wiki article of Bezos' property that he owns somewhere in Texas?

    It's good to see that our political and cultural elite think about time. It shows that they are in need of a device that they can think about, presumably to use to compare there time here on earth as compared to eternity. Will they ever appear to think about the human soul and its place within eternity too? Stay tuned...

    Replies: @songbird

    There’s some mention within the Wiki article of Bezos’ property that he owns somewhere in Texas?

    He does own a 400,000 acre ranch in West Texas.

    [MORE]

    I think it was my second grade teacher who spoke about these gigantic ranches in Texas that surpassed all imagination. I forget exactly how she phrased it – something like “as big as Rhode Island.”. Well, Rhode Island is like, what? 2x the size of Jeff’s ranch? (Actually RI is a little bigger than that, but not much).

    It shows that they are in need of a device that they can think about, presumably to use to compare there time here on earth as compared to eternity

    The idea seems to be something like,everyone will ignore it initially. But, then, as time piles on, a hundred years or two, it will gain the patina of respectability, and people will make pilgrimages to it.

    I’ve mixed feelings about it.

    In a general sense, I think that people would benefit more from long-term thinking. Generational thinking. Like, plant a tree so that your grandchildren can enjoy its shade. Or how many years it took to build some cathedrals.

    But these don’t seem like religious people. And 10,000 years seems quite implicitly transnational and even transracial. (Go back that far and Europeans wouldn’t really exist for the most part, in a recognizable form.)

    The guy who popularized one-click shopping doesn’t seem like he could think in anything but materialistic terms.

  901. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Since 1991 not a single metro station was built in Kiev

     

    This summarizes your “knowledge” about Ukraine: since 2000 7 new metro stations were built. You are one the most clueless people out there when writing about Ukraine. But don’t worry: some dumb Serbs will believe you.

    This station on the Kiev metro opened in 2012:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipodrom_(Kyiv_Metro)

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Ipodrom_station_%28Kiev_metro%29.JPG

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    some dumb Serbs will believe you.

    I agree with your general point about Lenya’s lack of knowledge about things outside of his expertise, but what’s the point of constantly banging on Serbs? I mean, Central Asians are also pretty dull on average and are, or at least used to be, pro-Russian. Why constantly reference Serbs in particular as being an example of dull pro-Russians and not someone else? Heck, AFAIK, a lot of the Third World is still relatively pro-Russian and also pretty dull. Why not reference them instead?

  902. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Better than accepting more culturally incompatible Muslim and African refugees...how much did Merkel’s mistake from 2015 end up costing Europe? Or...let Russia have that region.
     
    The migrants are coming anyway, it has been decreed from somewhere that they must come - no matter the cost. It is unrelated to Ukraine.

    The real issue for Ukraine is that nobody really wants her: neither EU nor Russia want the commitment. Russia wanted to keep the status quo and trade, but didn't care to spend huge sums and to babysit the Ukie parochialism - "Bandera rules!" EU wanted access to the huge Russian market and cheap labor, no to spend money on pacifying awkward Ukie dreamers - "we are European, bla..."...(are they small children?)

    But everybody wanted Crimea - the key to the Black Sea. Without Crimea bases Russia may as well pack it up - they are diminished. The war is about Crimea, the access and security for the Russian bases. Zelko gives it away when he always goes back to it: "this year we will take Crimea!!!"...the bosses call him and remind what it is all about, and he like an idiot blurts it out.

    Russia taking Crimea in 2014 was a shock - the neo-cons got outplayed and were seething with rage. And it cost Russia almost nothing. The neo-cons were determined not to let it go - US-UK chiefs flew to Kiev to make sure Porky bombs Donbas. They refused any compromise like Minsk and eventually got the war. Kiev fights the war with a single objective: take or threaten Crimea. Russia does the same - get the land bridge and to grab all of the Azov sea.

    Today the neo-cons's objective is to make Crimea unusable and that no deal recognizes it as Russia. Crimea is the sine qua non of the conflict and Russia looks like they got that. But the neo-cons will never let it go....we have that to look forward to...


    Ukraine could have probably been unified much earlier had the Bolsheviks not instilled defeatism in Russia’s military in 1917-1918
     
    It was vice-versa as it always is: the defeatism spawned the Bolsheviks. All "what-ifs" scenarios are very speculative - the reality is what actually happened: Bolshies single-handedly created Ukraine. It was done very badly and we are paying a high price for that series of mistakes. Kind of like America made a fatal error with slavery and also is paying a high price. Most of life is just management of consequences...

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    It was vice-versa as it always is: the defeatism spawned the Bolsheviks. All “what-ifs” scenarios are very speculative – the reality is what actually happened: Bolshies single-handedly created Ukraine. It was done very badly and we are paying a high price for that series of mistakes. Kind of like America made a fatal error with slavery and also is paying a high price. Most of life is just management of consequences…

    The Bolsheviks created Ukraine because there was a large demand for it among Ukrainians themselves:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1917_Russian_Constituent_Assembly_election

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ


    the reality is what actually happened: Bolshies single-handedly created Ukraine.
     
    This is pure rubbish that those that wish for Ukraine's demise today would like for you to believe. Ukrainian national identity was developing by leaps and bounds in the 19th century that culminated in the early 20th century in the creation of the UNR (Ukrainian National Republic), 1917 - 1921. This is the kind of support that the Bolshies found during this period in Kyiv itself that was supported by other ethnically Ukrainian territories throughout Ukraine. These photos accurately describe the type of "man on the street" support evident in Kyiv on 1/22/2019 almost 105 years ago today. These demonstrations were not orchestrated by the Bolshies and was a self evident organic display of support for the Ukrainian national cause that the Bolshies encountered once they took over control. Beckow, our resident "historian" should know better than to try and spread this form of pure BS, especially here at this website:

    https://www.istpravda.com.ua/images/doc/b/a/bad559b-45.jpg

    https://www.istpravda.com.ua/images/doc/d/9/d9c0705-48.jpg

  903. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Critical thinking can’t be taught – you simply lack it. Instead you repeat the obsessive and mostly false minutia factoids that you have gathered without understanding anything.

    LOL I'm sure the pro-Putin side can teach us about critical thinking. They've been citing Scott Ritter who is literally looking for a job in Chechnya after his fans finally saw his ineptitude over Hamas.

    Scott Ritter, MacGregor, Vox pop, Moon of Alabama. All consistently wrong about the war. Putin seems to draw defenders that are unable to think critically about what is in front of them. Oh and he also seems to draw criminals and a disbarred lawyer. Still haven't a seen a US or EU blogger with children defend him. He does however have fans within the alt-right incel crowd (Anglin and Fuentes).

    Disgraced Ex-Marine Offers Kadyrov's Army 'Friendship' With America
    https://www.newsweek.com/scott-ritter-chechnya-visit-kadyrov-army-speech-1858652

    Yanuk left for Russia AFTER he was overthrown – not before.

    He fled before he could be tried and was convicted in absentia.

    What matters is that he was elected and his term was expiring later in 2014. Maidan was an illegal government overthrow – think about what you said about Jan 6 mini-demonstration and compare it to Maidan.


    You are saying they would not have provoked a war if they tried him in court and imprisoned him? Do you think Putin believed he was innocent or guilty?

    You can try to hide your hatred of Russia by comparing them to the blacks and as a proper white Nazi then justifying it.

    I've talked about how Russians remind me of Blacks in how they rally around a "big man" leader and default to him due to a shortage of ideal leaders. Such casual observations doesn't mean I support Nazi policies.

    This might blow your mind but accepting that all people don't share the same genetic distribution does not make one a Nazi. I don't believe that American cities will ever be as efficient as Danish cities. Does that make me a pro-Danish fascist? As with leftists you are being overly-sensitive and assume ill intent when non-Whites normally make the same observations. I'm not an egalitarian and don't expect equal outcomes from all groups. In fact I take offense to these globalist magic bullet theories from both right and left as they end up assuming some intervention is needed to the unleash the Danes within the natives. I don't actually care if Somalia becomes a first world country. It's modern madness to think we are all supposed to be one big globe of shopping malls with the same standards. A modern sickness and if anything these countries are harmed around Western race denial theories that end up causing brain drain through immigration.

    Kiev is losing the war and Ukraine will not be in Nato.

    Well I disagree that they are losing the war. I don't think anyone is winning at the moment. More of a stalemate with heavy losses on both sides.

    For Russia it will be a win: new territories, pushing Nato back, control over Black Sea

    They can't push NATO back without somehow talking Finland into leaving. I already provided a map that shows the new NATO border. Maybe we need to dig up some classic posts where Putin's defenders told us the war needed to happen to stop missile silos on the border. Well adding Finland put more NATO border on Russian than Ukraine.

    Russia economy has clearly not collapsed (not my view, read WSJ)

    Maybe try quoting me or respond to the WSJ on your own. I said Putin is playing a dangerous game with war spending and we don't know the true state of the economy. Do you think the stated inflation rate is honest?

    At the end “money” runs the world

    Which is actually why Russia needs to end the war. They have a GDP smaller than Texas. This isn't a war they can afford as a side hobby. The US can easily afford another round of garage sale military donations. Heck we have something like 2000 Bradleys just sitting around.

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    A modern sickness and if anything these countries are harmed around Western race denial theories that end up causing brain drain through immigration.

    Though TBF, smart people from the Third World can probably accomplish more in the First World than in the Third World. Would Elon Musk have been able to create Tesla had he stayed in South Africa, for instance?

  904. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @sudden death

    Have you read AK's The Z of History blog post?

    It looks to me like it's about 5X as long as it has to be. The writer might be channeling his inner Leo Tolstoy Ayn Rand.

    https://akarlin.com/the-z-of-history/

    I haven't gotten all the way through it but he does not seem to have anything like my own opinion on the impact of the Gaza Israel activities on the Ukraine Russia dispute.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @sudden death

    idk if it can be called reading so far, but more a combination of speedy scrolling, skimming&ctrlF’ing in my case, but still couldn’t keep from self-patting on the back when encountered this and remembering AK reaction to my words in 2019 about more talented people leaving RF eventually under putinism;)

    Putinism has already provoked the emigration of 1 million mostly high skilled young workers in the IT and related industries. This hasn’t just affected the IT giants such as Yandex, but to an even larger extent all kinds of unicorns and startups at the very cutting edge of technology. One case I am quite familiar with is Gero, Russia’s leading life extension company, which decamped to Novi Sad, Serbia near in its entirety last year. Meanwhile, what remains of Russian “hi-tech” is increasingly just a story of weirdos and grifters, with the recent attempt by Alabuga – a special economic zone that has been found to be using indentured Russian and African labor to build drones (sic!) – to “own” Elon Musk by proposing to colonize Jupiter’s moons

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-85/#comment-3371657

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @sudden death

    Did you notice the part where he said someday his claim to fame will be his authorship of the phrase "no two nations with gay pride parades have ever done war with each other"?

    I thought that a rather odd thing to be proud of.

  905. @sudden death
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    idk if it can be called reading so far, but more a combination of speedy scrolling, skimming&ctrlF'ing in my case, but still couldn't keep from self-patting on the back when encountered this and remembering AK reaction to my words in 2019 about more talented people leaving RF eventually under putinism;)


    Putinism has already provoked the emigration of 1 million mostly high skilled young workers in the IT and related industries. This hasn’t just affected the IT giants such as Yandex, but to an even larger extent all kinds of unicorns and startups at the very cutting edge of technology. One case I am quite familiar with is Gero, Russia’s leading life extension company, which decamped to Novi Sad, Serbia near in its entirety last year. Meanwhile, what remains of Russian “hi-tech” is increasingly just a story of weirdos and grifters, with the recent attempt by Alabuga – a special economic zone that has been found to be using indentured Russian and African labor to build drones (sic!) – to “own” Elon Musk by proposing to colonize Jupiter’s moons
     
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-85/#comment-3371657

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Did you notice the part where he said someday his claim to fame will be his authorship of the phrase “no two nations with gay pride parades have ever done war with each other”?

    I thought that a rather odd thing to be proud of.

  906. Is Macron trying to create some sliding, gay, polyamorous dynasty in France? Where each president is succeeded by his gay lover?

  907. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    It was vice-versa as it always is: the defeatism spawned the Bolsheviks. All “what-ifs” scenarios are very speculative – the reality is what actually happened: Bolshies single-handedly created Ukraine. It was done very badly and we are paying a high price for that series of mistakes. Kind of like America made a fatal error with slavery and also is paying a high price. Most of life is just management of consequences…

     

    The Bolsheviks created Ukraine because there was a large demand for it among Ukrainians themselves:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1917_Russian_Constituent_Assembly_election

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/1917_Russian_Constituent_Assembly_election_results_map.svg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    the reality is what actually happened: Bolshies single-handedly created Ukraine.

    This is pure rubbish that those that wish for Ukraine’s demise today would like for you to believe. Ukrainian national identity was developing by leaps and bounds in the 19th century that culminated in the early 20th century in the creation of the UNR (Ukrainian National Republic), 1917 – 1921. This is the kind of support that the Bolshies found during this period in Kyiv itself that was supported by other ethnically Ukrainian territories throughout Ukraine. These photos accurately describe the type of “man on the street” support evident in Kyiv on 1/22/2019 almost 105 years ago today. These demonstrations were not orchestrated by the Bolshies and was a self evident organic display of support for the Ukrainian national cause that the Bolshies encountered once they took over control. Beckow, our resident “historian” should know better than to try and spread this form of pure BS, especially here at this website:

  908. @German_reader
    @sudden death


    but considered as serious German press entity, which is not anyhow very sympathetic to neocon or EE stance
     
    That's a rather doubtful characterization of SPIEGEL nowadays.
    But still, from my pov the parts you cited are already pretty damning. It makes clear that the Bush administration was intent on expanding NATO to Ukraine for reasons of securing American hegemony, despite there being nothing remotely like majority support for NATO accession among the Ukrainian population at the time. According to Robert Gates' memoirs (and maybe other sources as well, I don't know) Cheney even was in favour of breaking up the RF (!) itself into several states in the early 1990s, so his promotion of Ukrainian and Georgian NATO membership can hardly be seen as just an act of absent-mindedness or a sign of idealistic altruism, it really was pure power politics that was bound to cause a reaction in Russia (Putin and people like him may be prone to paranoia anyway, but even paranoiacs sometimes have real enemies). And what was good for an internally fractured society like Ukraine where a non-trivial part of the population identified with Russia apparently never figured into the calculation.

    Replies: @sudden death

    No matter how influential at times Cheney could have been, but Bush still was having the last word while making/confirming decisions and even authors of the article had to admit about not knowing whether Bush shared Cheney’s viewpoint and pointing into Bush non confronting anyhow Putin’s rantings in 2008 spring NATO meeting.

    Btw, the best opportunity in theory to cause/deepen the strain in RF unity was Chechnya still in war, when Bush administration came into power at the start of year 2000, but IIRC there wasn’t any special US practical efforts directed at all. Bit later, after 09-11, Bush overall entirely agreed and got along with official Kremlin line about fight in Chechnya being just the part of worldwide crusade against terrorism, so in practice all that narrative about Bush administration hell bent on to breaking up RF is not so clear cut.

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