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  1. Wow, that’s preemptive action. The previous thread is still under 900.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    OT240 is starting to slow rather badly for me so I asked for an early reset.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    Well, some psychopaths showed up in the last one. Maybe they are too stupid to move here...if not, remember to never wrestle with pigs... :)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  2. • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @LondonBob

    Ahead of schedule towards failure?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHLd6BRt2go

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChSkJOy3Ij0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrj8kNLU0K0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37_mBXpjXeQ

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    , @Philip Owen
    @LondonBob

    John does great analysis (we sometimes cooperate) but he writes for money too. He seems to receive occassional assignments from well placed senior Russian officials with an outlook that corresponds to the Stavka. For example, his MH17 stories were completely unhinged and clearly designed to head off Russian financial liability at whatever hand for the civilian deaths.

    Replies: @QCIC

  3. Finally, a medal for kremlinstoogeA123. Moderate wing Republicans need not apply.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Hack,

    Why do you hide your true colors?

    Here is a cartoon which suits you. https://cartoonmovement.com/cartoon/ukraine-seek-help

    , @Derer
    @Mr. Hack

    Look at this pea-sized brain insect - an "intellectual" drive of the quality of this site. The end is near and so is the berserk behaviour. He sees Russians at every corner and knows that they deal with stupid efficiently.

  4. @LondonBob
    Russian Army ahead of schedule.

    https://johnhelmer.org/breakthrough-on-all-fronts-ahead-of-schedule/

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Philip Owen

    Ahead of schedule towards failure?

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack

    Hack, what did I tell you about not posting these self-discrediting retarded ukronazi toilet-level video links? I wouldn't eliminate the possibility the Russian government is paying this dickhead to produce these videos.

    Even the dimwit cartoons are less retarded. Use your considerable academic skills to convince me that Ukrainians dug up the Black Sea and that they built the Pyramids

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  5. @AnonfromTN
    Wow, that's preemptive action. The previous thread is still under 900.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow

    OT240 is starting to slow rather badly for me so I asked for an early reset.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    You've got a medal for your duplicitous work and now you want a reset? I hear that it's Profesor Janissary who has been assigned to pin the medal on your chest during the commemoration ceremonies. :-)

  6. @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    OT240 is starting to slow rather badly for me so I asked for an early reset.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    You’ve got a medal for your duplicitous work and now you want a reset? I hear that it’s Profesor Janissary who has been assigned to pin the medal on your chest during the commemoration ceremonies. 🙂

  7. @Mr. Hack
    https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/mrz121923dAPR-800x0.jpg

    Finally, a medal for kremlinstoogeA123. Moderate wing Republicans need not apply.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Derer

    Hack,

    Why do you hide your true colors?

    Here is a cartoon which suits you.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  8. The 3ft fish was found floating on the surface of a Suffolk fishery with the 3lb carp stuffed down its throat after choking to death trying to swallow its prey.


    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050410/Giant-pike-chokes-death-trying-swallow-huge-carp-pictures.html

    The pike above can be used as a symbol spirit animal of both Tsarist/Soviet regimes back then in XX century, but Putler is trying his best to follow the same path;)

    Sean McMeekin doesn’t treat it this but there is this thing in which there is a very direct continuity between the desires of Russian Imperial leadership and the Soviet leadership in their view of the world.

    WW1 was just a direct imperialist war for Russia far more than for France and English (they wanted to cut Ottomans and Germans somewhat, but mostly maintain colonies). Russian leadership really wanted to cut Ottomans and Austrians into pieces, get Galicia, the Straits, rule over the Balkans and Greece, dominate Iran, threaten English in Asia (also get Manchuria and Mongolia in China), and then rule the world.

    And it wasn’t the position of only the aristocrats and Tsars and the more atavistic parts of the regime, in general, liberals also wanted to conquer all of this and rule the world after. Communist leadership came to power with a fundamental lie about how they didn’t want war (which the population supported), but they also wanted to conquer everything and rule the world after.

    Obviously, the position that Russia should try to rule the world was wrong and mistaken. In general, the 20th century was a real annoyance from the Soviet government about how they should be ruling the world instead of Americans who got it because they are lucky and don’t deserve it.

    [MORE]

    • Agree: Philip Owen
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death

    Cool pic. A good depiction of decrepit empire trying to preserve its hegemony.

    An OT question: did Alzheimer-in-Chief assemble a coalition to liberate Texas yet? Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Republic of Palau, and a few other equally powerful and important countries would eagerly join.

    , @Gerard1234
    @sudden death

    Pike swallowing carp association with Tsarist/USSR end and with modern Russian state is too cretinous to think you weren't dropped on the head at birth

    1. Several hundred, sometimes close to 1000 ukronazi are dying each day from us you braindead POS.

    2. Short term already definitively proven, probably short-medium term too it's clear that economically we will perform very decently. Only 2.2% loss in 2022, 3.4% GROWTH in 2023, 2.5% growth projection this year. That's just one indicator out of several others on our economy. However,without foreign investment our full economic potential long-term is very unclear. But government very competent and maybe there is enough financial power that isn't western.

    3. Demographically we had population loss of 250000. Previous year was 550000 loss..... so 2023 figures were huge improvement and indicator next year even better as negative trend stopped. Military, economic and demographic security of Russia is assured you ridiculous faggot.

    4. Western friends told me recently they have bought holiday journey to Bangkok for next month using the cheapest and shortest route. This route is via Helsinki and under 12 hours. Nobody has told me anything about this, or has news section mentioned it, but to me that length of trip could ONLY be possible via Russian flightpath. So secretly Finnish airlines must be doing this (despite all officially supposed to have stopped using Russian airspace and vice-versa). They must be doing something reciprocal to us. That's an indicator of how many other different things in business, technology etc must gayropa states secretly be doing with Russia..... while nothing, joke states as Lithuania decay!

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

    , @Mr. Hack
    @sudden death

    Try to catch some 10 - 20 lb catfish when I'm back in MN. Usually after sunset - a real thrill! No "super monsters" yet. We let them flop around on the grass on the back of the Crow river before we move them to a big plastic bag. Cleaning them up at home requires a few drinks (a disgustingly bloody sort of ordeal)...

    Replies: @songbird, @Barbarossa

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @sudden death

    One wonders whether an SR-led Russia would have been just as ravenous in its appetite for imperial expansion as both Tsarist Russia and Bolshevik Russia were.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  9. @sudden death

    The 3ft fish was found floating on the surface of a Suffolk fishery with the 3lb carp stuffed down its throat after choking to death trying to swallow its prey.
     
    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/18/article-2050410-0E6BEEC600000578-514_468x794.jpg

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050410/Giant-pike-chokes-death-trying-swallow-huge-carp-pictures.html

    The pike above can be used as a symbol spirit animal of both Tsarist/Soviet regimes back then in XX century, but Putler is trying his best to follow the same path;)


    Sean McMeekin doesn't treat it this but there is this thing in which there is a very direct continuity between the desires of Russian Imperial leadership and the Soviet leadership in their view of the world.

    WW1 was just a direct imperialist war for Russia far more than for France and English (they wanted to cut Ottomans and Germans somewhat, but mostly maintain colonies). Russian leadership really wanted to cut Ottomans and Austrians into pieces, get Galicia, the Straits, rule over the Balkans and Greece, dominate Iran, threaten English in Asia (also get Manchuria and Mongolia in China), and then rule the world.

    And it wasn't the position of only the aristocrats and Tsars and the more atavistic parts of the regime, in general, liberals also wanted to conquer all of this and rule the world after. Communist leadership came to power with a fundamental lie about how they didn't want war (which the population supported), but they also wanted to conquer everything and rule the world after.

    Obviously, the position that Russia should try to rule the world was wrong and mistaken. In general, the 20th century was a real annoyance from the Soviet government about how they should be ruling the world instead of Americans who got it because they are lucky and don't deserve it.
     

    https://twitter.com/devarbol/status/1752520855052018057

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234, @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    Cool pic. A good depiction of decrepit empire trying to preserve its hegemony.

    An OT question: did Alzheimer-in-Chief assemble a coalition to liberate Texas yet? Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Republic of Palau, and a few other equally powerful and important countries would eagerly join.

  10. @Mr. Hack
    @LondonBob

    Ahead of schedule towards failure?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHLd6BRt2go

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChSkJOy3Ij0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrj8kNLU0K0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37_mBXpjXeQ

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Hack, what did I tell you about not posting these self-discrediting retarded ukronazi toilet-level video links? I wouldn’t eliminate the possibility the Russian government is paying this dickhead to produce these videos.

    Even the dimwit cartoons are less retarded. Use your considerable academic skills to convince me that Ukrainians dug up the Black Sea and that they built the Pyramids

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234

    Unless you can provide me with another better video blogger with the correct point of view, I'll have to stick with what's available. I'm not impressed with Ritter and other guys that Averko floods this blog site with, anybody else? As you can see, I'm a loyal reader of this "Russian blogsite", so I try to be open minded, and get the Russian point of view too. So far, nothing satisfies? You're one of the better and few Russian commentators that I do enjoy reading here, though.....I used to read Leos Tomichek' s blogsite too, but he's developed into an extreme pot smoking burnout (kind of like kremlinstoogeA123 here with his bad glue huffing habit), and nothing he writes seems to make any sense to me anymore?...

  11. @Mr. Hack
    https://media.townhall.com/cdn/hodl/cartoons/mrz121923dAPR-800x0.jpg

    Finally, a medal for kremlinstoogeA123. Moderate wing Republicans need not apply.

    Replies: @QCIC, @Derer

    Look at this pea-sized brain insect – an “intellectual” drive of the quality of this site. The end is near and so is the berserk behaviour. He sees Russians at every corner and knows that they deal with stupid efficiently.

    • Troll: Mr. Hack
  12. @AnonfromTN
    Wow, that's preemptive action. The previous thread is still under 900.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow

    Well, some psychopaths showed up in the last one. Maybe they are too stupid to move here…if not, remember to never wrestle with pigs… 🙂

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    remember to never wrestle with pigs…
     
    Sound advice. In fact, I follow it more consistently than you do.

    Replies: @Beckow

  13. @sudden death

    The 3ft fish was found floating on the surface of a Suffolk fishery with the 3lb carp stuffed down its throat after choking to death trying to swallow its prey.
     
    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/18/article-2050410-0E6BEEC600000578-514_468x794.jpg

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050410/Giant-pike-chokes-death-trying-swallow-huge-carp-pictures.html

    The pike above can be used as a symbol spirit animal of both Tsarist/Soviet regimes back then in XX century, but Putler is trying his best to follow the same path;)


    Sean McMeekin doesn't treat it this but there is this thing in which there is a very direct continuity between the desires of Russian Imperial leadership and the Soviet leadership in their view of the world.

    WW1 was just a direct imperialist war for Russia far more than for France and English (they wanted to cut Ottomans and Germans somewhat, but mostly maintain colonies). Russian leadership really wanted to cut Ottomans and Austrians into pieces, get Galicia, the Straits, rule over the Balkans and Greece, dominate Iran, threaten English in Asia (also get Manchuria and Mongolia in China), and then rule the world.

    And it wasn't the position of only the aristocrats and Tsars and the more atavistic parts of the regime, in general, liberals also wanted to conquer all of this and rule the world after. Communist leadership came to power with a fundamental lie about how they didn't want war (which the population supported), but they also wanted to conquer everything and rule the world after.

    Obviously, the position that Russia should try to rule the world was wrong and mistaken. In general, the 20th century was a real annoyance from the Soviet government about how they should be ruling the world instead of Americans who got it because they are lucky and don't deserve it.
     

    https://twitter.com/devarbol/status/1752520855052018057

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234, @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    Pike swallowing carp association with Tsarist/USSR end and with modern Russian state is too cretinous to think you weren’t dropped on the head at birth

    1. Several hundred, sometimes close to 1000 ukronazi are dying each day from us you braindead POS.

    2. Short term already definitively proven, probably short-medium term too it’s clear that economically we will perform very decently. Only 2.2% loss in 2022, 3.4% GROWTH in 2023, 2.5% growth projection this year. That’s just one indicator out of several others on our economy. However,without foreign investment our full economic potential long-term is very unclear. But government very competent and maybe there is enough financial power that isn’t western.

    3. Demographically we had population loss of 250000. Previous year was 550000 loss….. so 2023 figures were huge improvement and indicator next year even better as negative trend stopped. Military, economic and demographic security of Russia is assured you ridiculous faggot.

    4. Western friends told me recently they have bought holiday journey to Bangkok for next month using the cheapest and shortest route. This route is via Helsinki and under 12 hours. Nobody has told me anything about this, or has news section mentioned it, but to me that length of trip could ONLY be possible via Russian flightpath. So secretly Finnish airlines must be doing this (despite all officially supposed to have stopped using Russian airspace and vice-versa). They must be doing something reciprocal to us. That’s an indicator of how many other different things in business, technology etc must gayropa states secretly be doing with Russia….. while nothing, joke states as Lithuania decay!

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Gerard1234


    This route is via Helsinki and under 12 hours. Nobody has told me anything about this, or has news section mentioned it, but to me that length of trip could ONLY be possible via Russian flightpath. So secretly Finnish airlines must be doing this
     
    That’s wrong on Russia’s part. It should not allow any airplanes from hostile countries to use its airspace. If Finnair goes bankrupt as the result, this would serve it right. I would shed no tears.
    , @Beckow
    @Gerard1234


    ...This route is via Helsinki and under 12 hours...that length of trip could ONLY be possible via Russian flightpath.
     
    Those are charter flights registered in Armenia, Kazakhastan etc...Finns look the other way because they are smarter then Balts or Ukies.

    The underlying issue in the West is the lack of geographic and historical sense majority of people have - often even smart people. They don't get how it works, they lack the deep historical experience. They replaced it with empty narcissistic self-regard - "China can never make chips, haha...", "Houthis fight with spears...", "Ukies will march on Moscow with Nato superior weapons..."

    It can't really be helped. Most Western minds live in a circuitous world of past myths like "only we defeated the Nazis", misunderstood events like the strange one-sided end to the Cold War, and idiotic projections where everyone else is oppressive, tyrannical, unfree, but any event at home is ok.

    They can't win, they took on the whole world and misunderstand the relative forces. But it looks like is too late to walk back the rhetoric...as always the most crazy ones, usually the secondary allies like the Balts, Ukies, maybe Poles, will pay the highest price. But stupidity has to have a price no matter how sad it is...if not, how would it work?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Derer, @Philip Owen

  14. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    Well, some psychopaths showed up in the last one. Maybe they are too stupid to move here...if not, remember to never wrestle with pigs... :)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    remember to never wrestle with pigs…

    Sound advice. In fact, I follow it more consistently than you do.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    Yeah, I never follow my own advice...more interesting stuff happens that way. But pigs are pigs, I will try to be more restrained...:)

  15. @Gerard1234
    @sudden death

    Pike swallowing carp association with Tsarist/USSR end and with modern Russian state is too cretinous to think you weren't dropped on the head at birth

    1. Several hundred, sometimes close to 1000 ukronazi are dying each day from us you braindead POS.

    2. Short term already definitively proven, probably short-medium term too it's clear that economically we will perform very decently. Only 2.2% loss in 2022, 3.4% GROWTH in 2023, 2.5% growth projection this year. That's just one indicator out of several others on our economy. However,without foreign investment our full economic potential long-term is very unclear. But government very competent and maybe there is enough financial power that isn't western.

    3. Demographically we had population loss of 250000. Previous year was 550000 loss..... so 2023 figures were huge improvement and indicator next year even better as negative trend stopped. Military, economic and demographic security of Russia is assured you ridiculous faggot.

    4. Western friends told me recently they have bought holiday journey to Bangkok for next month using the cheapest and shortest route. This route is via Helsinki and under 12 hours. Nobody has told me anything about this, or has news section mentioned it, but to me that length of trip could ONLY be possible via Russian flightpath. So secretly Finnish airlines must be doing this (despite all officially supposed to have stopped using Russian airspace and vice-versa). They must be doing something reciprocal to us. That's an indicator of how many other different things in business, technology etc must gayropa states secretly be doing with Russia..... while nothing, joke states as Lithuania decay!

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

    This route is via Helsinki and under 12 hours. Nobody has told me anything about this, or has news section mentioned it, but to me that length of trip could ONLY be possible via Russian flightpath. So secretly Finnish airlines must be doing this

    That’s wrong on Russia’s part. It should not allow any airplanes from hostile countries to use its airspace. If Finnair goes bankrupt as the result, this would serve it right. I would shed no tears.

    • Agree: Gerard1234
  16. @Gerard1234
    @sudden death

    Pike swallowing carp association with Tsarist/USSR end and with modern Russian state is too cretinous to think you weren't dropped on the head at birth

    1. Several hundred, sometimes close to 1000 ukronazi are dying each day from us you braindead POS.

    2. Short term already definitively proven, probably short-medium term too it's clear that economically we will perform very decently. Only 2.2% loss in 2022, 3.4% GROWTH in 2023, 2.5% growth projection this year. That's just one indicator out of several others on our economy. However,without foreign investment our full economic potential long-term is very unclear. But government very competent and maybe there is enough financial power that isn't western.

    3. Demographically we had population loss of 250000. Previous year was 550000 loss..... so 2023 figures were huge improvement and indicator next year even better as negative trend stopped. Military, economic and demographic security of Russia is assured you ridiculous faggot.

    4. Western friends told me recently they have bought holiday journey to Bangkok for next month using the cheapest and shortest route. This route is via Helsinki and under 12 hours. Nobody has told me anything about this, or has news section mentioned it, but to me that length of trip could ONLY be possible via Russian flightpath. So secretly Finnish airlines must be doing this (despite all officially supposed to have stopped using Russian airspace and vice-versa). They must be doing something reciprocal to us. That's an indicator of how many other different things in business, technology etc must gayropa states secretly be doing with Russia..... while nothing, joke states as Lithuania decay!

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

    …This route is via Helsinki and under 12 hours…that length of trip could ONLY be possible via Russian flightpath.

    Those are charter flights registered in Armenia, Kazakhastan etc…Finns look the other way because they are smarter then Balts or Ukies.

    The underlying issue in the West is the lack of geographic and historical sense majority of people have – often even smart people. They don’t get how it works, they lack the deep historical experience. They replaced it with empty narcissistic self-regard – “China can never make chips, haha…”, “Houthis fight with spears…”, “Ukies will march on Moscow with Nato superior weapons…”

    It can’t really be helped. Most Western minds live in a circuitous world of past myths like “only we defeated the Nazis“, misunderstood events like the strange one-sided end to the Cold War, and idiotic projections where everyone else is oppressive, tyrannical, unfree, but any event at home is ok.

    They can’t win, they took on the whole world and misunderstand the relative forces. But it looks like is too late to walk back the rhetoric…as always the most crazy ones, usually the secondary allies like the Balts, Ukies, maybe Poles, will pay the highest price. But stupidity has to have a price no matter how sad it is…if not, how would it work?

    • Agree: Derer
    • Thanks: Gerard1234
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    Most Western minds live in a circuitous world of past myths of “we defeated Hitler“, misunderstood events like the strange one-sided end to the Cold War, and idiotic projections where everyone else is oppressive, tyrannical, unfree, but any event at home is ok.
     
    Correction: most Westerners are a lot smarter than the behavior of their governments suggests. Just look at the piles of manure German and French farmers give their powers-that-be. Remarkably fitting, considering the quality of French and German “governments”. Or look at the contempt most Americans have for the Alzheimer-in-Chief.

    However, most Westerners are woefully ignorant and misinformed, as they are meant to be by their “elites” that deliberately made Western education systems and MSM a joke. Many leave in the bubble of lies created by their “elites”, but gradually Western people learn to distrust the BS fed to them by their MSM and governments. It’s a painful and protracted process, but it’s underway.

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow, @Derer

    , @Derer
    @Beckow

    What about Germans...their unconditional love of their occupier and destroyer of their energy supplies (billions wasted) makes them devoted servant even against their own national interest.

    Replies: @A123, @AP, @Beckow

    , @Philip Owen
    @Beckow

    On the matter of a lack of historical sense, the Soviet Union's participation in WW2 began in 1939 with the invasions of Poland, Finland, Estonia, Lativa, Lithuania and Romania. 1941 was merely changing sides (and not out of moral consideration). The Soviet Union was perfectly happy with fascism in 1939. Soviet and Putinist propaganda since then has been a denial of these facts.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @Gerard1234

  17. @Beckow
    @Gerard1234


    ...This route is via Helsinki and under 12 hours...that length of trip could ONLY be possible via Russian flightpath.
     
    Those are charter flights registered in Armenia, Kazakhastan etc...Finns look the other way because they are smarter then Balts or Ukies.

    The underlying issue in the West is the lack of geographic and historical sense majority of people have - often even smart people. They don't get how it works, they lack the deep historical experience. They replaced it with empty narcissistic self-regard - "China can never make chips, haha...", "Houthis fight with spears...", "Ukies will march on Moscow with Nato superior weapons..."

    It can't really be helped. Most Western minds live in a circuitous world of past myths like "only we defeated the Nazis", misunderstood events like the strange one-sided end to the Cold War, and idiotic projections where everyone else is oppressive, tyrannical, unfree, but any event at home is ok.

    They can't win, they took on the whole world and misunderstand the relative forces. But it looks like is too late to walk back the rhetoric...as always the most crazy ones, usually the secondary allies like the Balts, Ukies, maybe Poles, will pay the highest price. But stupidity has to have a price no matter how sad it is...if not, how would it work?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Derer, @Philip Owen

    Most Western minds live in a circuitous world of past myths of “we defeated Hitler“, misunderstood events like the strange one-sided end to the Cold War, and idiotic projections where everyone else is oppressive, tyrannical, unfree, but any event at home is ok.

    Correction: most Westerners are a lot smarter than the behavior of their governments suggests. Just look at the piles of manure German and French farmers give their powers-that-be. Remarkably fitting, considering the quality of French and German “governments”. Or look at the contempt most Americans have for the Alzheimer-in-Chief.

    However, most Westerners are woefully ignorant and misinformed, as they are meant to be by their “elites” that deliberately made Western education systems and MSM a joke. Many leave in the bubble of lies created by their “elites”, but gradually Western people learn to distrust the BS fed to them by their MSM and governments. It’s a painful and protracted process, but it’s underway.

    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    However, most Westerners are woefully ignorant and misinformed,
     
    No more so than you, who habitually makes bizarre and false statements.
    , @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...most Westerners are woefully ignorant and misinformed, as they are meant to be by their “elites” that deliberately made Western education systems and MSM a joke.
     
    Societies, systems, governments can be compared in many different ways - maybe the most important criteria is who produces more high quality people. I don't mean the elite, just people in general. It makes sense biologically.

    In that today's West ranks low - the ignorance and inability to think critically is worse than in the previous generations and in other competing societies. If that is intentional it is a damning verdict on the Western elites.

    Some of it is the result of lazy, unfocused lives people live - whatever the reason, it bodes badly for the societies - sure, they can 'replace' the people with higher quality outsiders and become something else. But the same devolution happens to the newcomers and their progeny. It is not a winning model.

    The farmers are great - there are just not enough of them...

    , @Derer
    @AnonfromTN

    I agree with your post...however the Americans are hardly misinformed about the Biden's senility, his corruption, his paying bribes to Ukrainian gang, but half of the country want him for 4 more year.

    Think about France or Germany elections and what kind of puppets they elected. That somewhat contrast with your: "Westerners are a lot smarter than the behavior of their governments suggests."

  18. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack

    Hack, what did I tell you about not posting these self-discrediting retarded ukronazi toilet-level video links? I wouldn't eliminate the possibility the Russian government is paying this dickhead to produce these videos.

    Even the dimwit cartoons are less retarded. Use your considerable academic skills to convince me that Ukrainians dug up the Black Sea and that they built the Pyramids

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Unless you can provide me with another better video blogger with the correct point of view, I’ll have to stick with what’s available. I’m not impressed with Ritter and other guys that Averko floods this blog site with, anybody else? As you can see, I’m a loyal reader of this “Russian blogsite”, so I try to be open minded, and get the Russian point of view too. So far, nothing satisfies? You’re one of the better and few Russian commentators that I do enjoy reading here, though…..I used to read Leos Tomichek’ s blogsite too, but he’s developed into an extreme pot smoking burnout (kind of like kremlinstoogeA123 here with his bad glue huffing habit), and nothing he writes seems to make any sense to me anymore?…

  19. They’re cutting federal funds and blocking lng exports to Texas I think.

    It’s weird how there’s no discussion on the GAE here just random Slavic debates.

    Place really fell off.
    Slavs will be Russian without outside help.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Sher Singh


    They’re cutting federal funds and blocking lng exports to Texas I think.
     
    Yes, libtards are trying to choke Texas economically. However, 25 states have already expressed their support for Texas, so libtards are trying to bite a lot more than they can chew. Although the majority of Americans are the most gullible and docile sheeple in the world (compared to most Americans almost any Russian is a fiery revolutionary), even they can be roused.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Barbarossa

  20. @Sher Singh
    They're cutting federal funds and blocking lng exports to Texas I think.

    It's weird how there's no discussion on the GAE here just random Slavic debates.

    Place really fell off.
    Slavs will be Russian without outside help.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    They’re cutting federal funds and blocking lng exports to Texas I think.

    Yes, libtards are trying to choke Texas economically. However, 25 states have already expressed their support for Texas, so libtards are trying to bite a lot more than they can chew. Although the majority of Americans are the most gullible and docile sheeple in the world (compared to most Americans almost any Russian is a fiery revolutionary), even they can be roused.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @AnonfromTN

    Unless they're willing to float a new currency it means little.
    It's also the tiny states in the Mid-West for the most part.

    Technically, half of Canada's provinces are just in the Atlantic.
    However, with a combined population >Toronto how much does anyone care?

    Texas wants to replace its Mexicans with Indians.
    Geo-politically that's safer, but

    I guess Upper-Middle Class Hindus > central americans?
    ---


    Wheelchair use
    On July 14, 1984, at age 26, Abbott was paralyzed below the waist when an oak tree fell on him while he was jogging after a storm.[8][278] Two steel rods were implanted in his spine, and he underwent extensive rehabilitation at TIRR Memorial Hermann in Houston and has used a wheelchair ever since.[279][280] He sued the homeowner and a tree service company, resulting in an insurance settlement that provided him with lump sum payments every three years until 2022 along with monthly payments for life; both are adjusted for inflation.[281] As of August 2013, the monthly payment was US$14,000 and the three-year lump sum payment was US$400,000, all tax-free. Abbott has said he relied on the money to pay for nearly three decades of medical expenses and other costs.
     
    Seems like a stand-up guy and I've gone jogging during storms so definitely empathize.

    Not a good runner by any means.
    Reverse squats especially, standing & unilateral seem great though.

    One guy took 0.4s off his 40-yd dash despite not training sprints for a year.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Barbarossa
    @AnonfromTN

    I guess Biden is trying to increase the value of Russia's LNG exports.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  21. The Secret Teaching of All Ages

    These teachings were the basis for the “secret teachings” of the famous secret societies like Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism, that arose in Europe and then America, a few years after the initial popularity of Hermetica during The Renaissance among leading Catholic philosophers, nobles, and priests.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Kali El

    Congrats. That link was way more factual than I had any expectation of when I clicked on it.

    Just throwing it out there as an interesting article or are you going somewhere specific with it?

    Replies: @Kali El

  22. Having seen the Korean movie Battleship Island (2017) recently, I feel like I have an appreciation for why the Koreans and Japanese (and perhaps EEs?) hate each other.

    [MORE]

    Though deritave in some parts, such as when it used the theme from The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly in its imaginative conclusion, I want to say that it was superior artistically to Schindler’s list, though TBF, it has been quite a while since I was forced to watch that movie in public school.

    One thing I enjoyed in particular about the movie is how it opened in B&W with the Japs lording it over slave Koreans and transitioned to color for a while, but then went back to B&W when they saw the mushroom cloud from the US dropping the bomb on Koreans in Japan, at the very end of movie.

    I would say it’s good revisionism, except, I don’t really see the point in reopening old wounds and stoking tensions with Japan.

    But I would recommend the movie to anyone who enjoys watching such things. (Such as me, though in moderate amounts and not through Hollywood.)

    Am not a fan of the typical modern Hollywood revisionism which always seems to run to some elite, multiracial, co-ed unit, reaping a whirlwind through evil Germans.

    If there is one thing blacks are useful for militarily, it must be covert operations against Germans. (That is why we never hear about it IRL) Sgt. Kinchloe was Col. Hogan’s #2 man at Stalag 13, after all.

    BTw, I wonder if Koreans have this serious/comedic cycle with regard to Japanese in WW2, such as some claim the Chinese have – though I don’t think it is absolutely binary.

  23. Khazars.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/prof-john-beaty-and-the-true-origin-of-the-jews/

    Haplogroup debates.

    Some of you are missing the fun.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Looks like some good reading. Will be interesting to see whether Polish Perspective gives this stuff his kosher seal of rabbinical purity? :-)

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Reminds me of Swift’s “Gulliver's Travels”. Remember the conflict between those who break open their eggs at the little end (Little-Endians) and those who choose the big end (Big-Endians)?

    Who cares? Is the fact that Al Capone was Italian more important than that he was a criminal? I don’t think so. In the same vein, Jewish criminals are criminals, while Jews who do not do anything criminal are innocent, in both cases regardless of their origin, mythical or real. The same applies to every nation on Earth.

    So, let the lively debate between Little-Endians and Big-Endians continue. The answer is as vitally important as the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    , @LondonBob
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I feel like Ron has misinterpreted what Eran Elhaik has said, his belief is Jews have an origin in the silk road region, along with its peoples, and then inhabiting the Khazarian Empire, rather than specifically a Khazarian people.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3595026/

    The Anglo Saxons were far better documented, and the population far more settled, and yet controversy still rages as to the genetic impact they had on the British Isles.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Khazars.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/prof-john-beaty-and-the-true-origin-of-the-jews/

    Haplogroup debates.

    Some of you are missing the fun.
     
    Another discussion about The Jews on Unz? You can't imagine how much I'm enjoying every moment of missing that fun.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Emil Nikola Richard

  24. @Emil Nikola Richard
    Khazars.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/prof-john-beaty-and-the-true-origin-of-the-jews/

    Haplogroup debates.

    Some of you are missing the fun.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN, @LondonBob, @Mikel

    Looks like some good reading. Will be interesting to see whether Polish Perspective gives this stuff his kosher seal of rabbinical purity? 🙂

  25. @sudden death

    The 3ft fish was found floating on the surface of a Suffolk fishery with the 3lb carp stuffed down its throat after choking to death trying to swallow its prey.
     
    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/18/article-2050410-0E6BEEC600000578-514_468x794.jpg

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050410/Giant-pike-chokes-death-trying-swallow-huge-carp-pictures.html

    The pike above can be used as a symbol spirit animal of both Tsarist/Soviet regimes back then in XX century, but Putler is trying his best to follow the same path;)


    Sean McMeekin doesn't treat it this but there is this thing in which there is a very direct continuity between the desires of Russian Imperial leadership and the Soviet leadership in their view of the world.

    WW1 was just a direct imperialist war for Russia far more than for France and English (they wanted to cut Ottomans and Germans somewhat, but mostly maintain colonies). Russian leadership really wanted to cut Ottomans and Austrians into pieces, get Galicia, the Straits, rule over the Balkans and Greece, dominate Iran, threaten English in Asia (also get Manchuria and Mongolia in China), and then rule the world.

    And it wasn't the position of only the aristocrats and Tsars and the more atavistic parts of the regime, in general, liberals also wanted to conquer all of this and rule the world after. Communist leadership came to power with a fundamental lie about how they didn't want war (which the population supported), but they also wanted to conquer everything and rule the world after.

    Obviously, the position that Russia should try to rule the world was wrong and mistaken. In general, the 20th century was a real annoyance from the Soviet government about how they should be ruling the world instead of Americans who got it because they are lucky and don't deserve it.
     

    https://twitter.com/devarbol/status/1752520855052018057

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234, @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    Try to catch some 10 – 20 lb catfish when I’m back in MN. Usually after sunset – a real thrill! No “super monsters” yet. We let them flop around on the grass on the back of the Crow river before we move them to a big plastic bag. Cleaning them up at home requires a few drinks (a disgustingly bloody sort of ordeal)…

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    Cleaning them up at home requires a few drinks (a disgustingly bloody sort of ordeal
     
    Quite humorously, for much of my life I never understood that fish had red blood as I had only ever seen prepared fish, and it doesn't seem to hold blood well, when compared to the meat of land animals. I had once seen a hint of green in some cooked haddock (for what reason?) and I associated this with Mr. Spock and built an ecology around it. (I think mollusks have green blood)

    BTW, have you ever seen any worms come out, when you cook it up? And do you catch them (i.e. the catfish) by having them bite your hand?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Barbarossa
    @Mr. Hack

    I always thought that gutting fish was quite tidy compared to gutting anything else, or is gutting catfish more loathsome for some reason? I can't say I have any history with catching catfish.

  26. @Emil Nikola Richard
    Khazars.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/prof-john-beaty-and-the-true-origin-of-the-jews/

    Haplogroup debates.

    Some of you are missing the fun.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN, @LondonBob, @Mikel

    Reminds me of Swift’s “Gulliver’s Travels”. Remember the conflict between those who break open their eggs at the little end (Little-Endians) and those who choose the big end (Big-Endians)?

    Who cares? Is the fact that Al Capone was Italian more important than that he was a criminal? I don’t think so. In the same vein, Jewish criminals are criminals, while Jews who do not do anything criminal are innocent, in both cases regardless of their origin, mythical or real. The same applies to every nation on Earth.

    So, let the lively debate between Little-Endians and Big-Endians continue. The answer is as vitally important as the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Your example is not great. Everybody who pays attention knows that you break open eggs at the big end. Jonathan Swift always had his eggs prepared for him is the only way to critique this literature.

    On Veterans Today they have history reports of Khazarian anti Jew stuff. They claim (I have no luck verifying any of their sources) that everybody in Eurasia hated Khazars since Day 0 because they were cheaters and liars without compare. Like the people in China knew not to have any dealings with them.

    I would definitely like to read comments about this more than Israel killing women and children live blogged 24 hours a day every day.

    Replies: @A123

    , @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Is the fact that Al Capone was Italian more important than that he was a criminal? I don’t think so. In the same vein, Jewish criminals are criminals, while Jews who do not do anything criminal are innocent,
     
    I made a similar point in the prior thread.

    Oligarchs are oligarchs first. Given the small number of oligarchs on the planet, smearing 100% of all Jews by fabricating the concept "Jewish oligarchs" is nonsensical. There are oligarchs of all lineages.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  27. @Mr. Hack
    @sudden death

    Try to catch some 10 - 20 lb catfish when I'm back in MN. Usually after sunset - a real thrill! No "super monsters" yet. We let them flop around on the grass on the back of the Crow river before we move them to a big plastic bag. Cleaning them up at home requires a few drinks (a disgustingly bloody sort of ordeal)...

    Replies: @songbird, @Barbarossa

    Cleaning them up at home requires a few drinks (a disgustingly bloody sort of ordeal

    Quite humorously, for much of my life I never understood that fish had red blood as I had only ever seen prepared fish, and it doesn’t seem to hold blood well, when compared to the meat of land animals. I had once seen a hint of green in some cooked haddock (for what reason?) and I associated this with Mr. Spock and built an ecology around it. (I think mollusks have green blood)

    BTW, have you ever seen any worms come out, when you cook it up? And do you catch them (i.e. the catfish) by having them bite your hand?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    @songbird & @Barbarossa:

    The general rule seems to be the bigger the fish, the bigger the mess, the more red blood (I've never seen any green blood). A big catty is a lot of work, so if anybody ever offers you some, be grateful and enjoy it knowing that you missed out on the bloody preliminaries. Also, cutting up the fish into manageable smaller pieces can be difficult because of tendon and bone issues. I've not seen any worms close-up, but to be honest I've never really cleaned the fish myself but have been an innocent bystander. :-)

    Letting it bight my hand - are you kidding? How big of a nutter do you really think that I am? I've never gutted or watched any other animal being gutted. As a teenager I worked at an old fashioned meat market and saw plenty of venison butchered up for the table and the rest used to make sausage, but the meat always came in pre-gutted.

    Replies: @songbird

  28. @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Reminds me of Swift’s “Gulliver's Travels”. Remember the conflict between those who break open their eggs at the little end (Little-Endians) and those who choose the big end (Big-Endians)?

    Who cares? Is the fact that Al Capone was Italian more important than that he was a criminal? I don’t think so. In the same vein, Jewish criminals are criminals, while Jews who do not do anything criminal are innocent, in both cases regardless of their origin, mythical or real. The same applies to every nation on Earth.

    So, let the lively debate between Little-Endians and Big-Endians continue. The answer is as vitally important as the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    Your example is not great. Everybody who pays attention knows that you break open eggs at the big end. Jonathan Swift always had his eggs prepared for him is the only way to critique this literature.

    On Veterans Today they have history reports of Khazarian anti Jew stuff. They claim (I have no luck verifying any of their sources) that everybody in Eurasia hated Khazars since Day 0 because they were cheaters and liars without compare. Like the people in China knew not to have any dealings with them.

    I would definitely like to read comments about this more than Israel killing women and children live blogged 24 hours a day every day.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Veterans Today is a 100% debunked fiction site. They are so unhinged , they claim that the Port of Beirut was nuked. No one serious believes anything they put out.

    PEACE 😇

  29. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    remember to never wrestle with pigs…
     
    Sound advice. In fact, I follow it more consistently than you do.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Yeah, I never follow my own advice…more interesting stuff happens that way. But pigs are pigs, I will try to be more restrained…:)

  30. Kingdom S5 Episode 3 teaches a very important retreat tactic.

  31. @Kali El
    The Secret Teaching of All Ages

    These teachings were the basis for the “secret teachings” of the famous secret societies like Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism, that arose in Europe and then America, a few years after the initial popularity of Hermetica during The Renaissance among leading Catholic philosophers, nobles, and priests.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Congrats. That link was way more factual than I had any expectation of when I clicked on it.

    Just throwing it out there as an interesting article or are you going somewhere specific with it?

    • Replies: @Kali El
    @Barbarossa

    Lol, yeah, well people on this website like to see themselves as the reddist of pilled because Ron runs such a well-made ultra free speech haven--so I wanted to hand them the reddist of red pills.

  32. @Mr. Hack
    @sudden death

    Try to catch some 10 - 20 lb catfish when I'm back in MN. Usually after sunset - a real thrill! No "super monsters" yet. We let them flop around on the grass on the back of the Crow river before we move them to a big plastic bag. Cleaning them up at home requires a few drinks (a disgustingly bloody sort of ordeal)...

    Replies: @songbird, @Barbarossa

    I always thought that gutting fish was quite tidy compared to gutting anything else, or is gutting catfish more loathsome for some reason? I can’t say I have any history with catching catfish.

  33. Sher Singh says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @Sher Singh


    They’re cutting federal funds and blocking lng exports to Texas I think.
     
    Yes, libtards are trying to choke Texas economically. However, 25 states have already expressed their support for Texas, so libtards are trying to bite a lot more than they can chew. Although the majority of Americans are the most gullible and docile sheeple in the world (compared to most Americans almost any Russian is a fiery revolutionary), even they can be roused.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Barbarossa

    Unless they’re willing to float a new currency it means little.
    It’s also the tiny states in the Mid-West for the most part.

    Technically, half of Canada’s provinces are just in the Atlantic.
    However, with a combined population >Toronto how much does anyone care?

    Texas wants to replace its Mexicans with Indians.
    Geo-politically that’s safer, but

    I guess Upper-Middle Class Hindus > central americans?

    Wheelchair use
    On July 14, 1984, at age 26, Abbott was paralyzed below the waist when an oak tree fell on him while he was jogging after a storm.[8][278] Two steel rods were implanted in his spine, and he underwent extensive rehabilitation at TIRR Memorial Hermann in Houston and has used a wheelchair ever since.[279][280] He sued the homeowner and a tree service company, resulting in an insurance settlement that provided him with lump sum payments every three years until 2022 along with monthly payments for life; both are adjusted for inflation.[281] As of August 2013, the monthly payment was US$14,000 and the three-year lump sum payment was US$400,000, all tax-free. Abbott has said he relied on the money to pay for nearly three decades of medical expenses and other costs.

    Seems like a stand-up guy and I’ve gone jogging during storms so definitely empathize.

    Not a good runner by any means.
    Reverse squats especially, standing & unilateral seem great though.

    One guy took 0.4s off his 40-yd dash despite not training sprints for a year.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Sher Singh


    Governor Greg Abbott really doesn't like being told to plant trees.
     
    https://www.sacurrent.com/news/gov-abbott-is-very-concerned-about-tree-rules-4804686

    He sued the homeowner and a tree service company,

     

    WTF, how is that not an act of God? Did they rig it as a booby-trap, that deadfalled him, when his leg snared some tripwire, they set across the sidewalk?
  34. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Your example is not great. Everybody who pays attention knows that you break open eggs at the big end. Jonathan Swift always had his eggs prepared for him is the only way to critique this literature.

    On Veterans Today they have history reports of Khazarian anti Jew stuff. They claim (I have no luck verifying any of their sources) that everybody in Eurasia hated Khazars since Day 0 because they were cheaters and liars without compare. Like the people in China knew not to have any dealings with them.

    I would definitely like to read comments about this more than Israel killing women and children live blogged 24 hours a day every day.

    Replies: @A123

    Veterans Today is a 100% debunked fiction site. They are so unhinged , they claim that the Port of Beirut was nuked. No one serious believes anything they put out.

    PEACE 😇

  35. @Sher Singh
    @AnonfromTN

    Unless they're willing to float a new currency it means little.
    It's also the tiny states in the Mid-West for the most part.

    Technically, half of Canada's provinces are just in the Atlantic.
    However, with a combined population >Toronto how much does anyone care?

    Texas wants to replace its Mexicans with Indians.
    Geo-politically that's safer, but

    I guess Upper-Middle Class Hindus > central americans?
    ---


    Wheelchair use
    On July 14, 1984, at age 26, Abbott was paralyzed below the waist when an oak tree fell on him while he was jogging after a storm.[8][278] Two steel rods were implanted in his spine, and he underwent extensive rehabilitation at TIRR Memorial Hermann in Houston and has used a wheelchair ever since.[279][280] He sued the homeowner and a tree service company, resulting in an insurance settlement that provided him with lump sum payments every three years until 2022 along with monthly payments for life; both are adjusted for inflation.[281] As of August 2013, the monthly payment was US$14,000 and the three-year lump sum payment was US$400,000, all tax-free. Abbott has said he relied on the money to pay for nearly three decades of medical expenses and other costs.
     
    Seems like a stand-up guy and I've gone jogging during storms so definitely empathize.

    Not a good runner by any means.
    Reverse squats especially, standing & unilateral seem great though.

    One guy took 0.4s off his 40-yd dash despite not training sprints for a year.

    Replies: @songbird

    Governor Greg Abbott really doesn’t like being told to plant trees.

    https://www.sacurrent.com/news/gov-abbott-is-very-concerned-about-tree-rules-4804686

    He sued the homeowner and a tree service company,

    WTF, how is that not an act of God? Did they rig it as a booby-trap, that deadfalled him, when his leg snared some tripwire, they set across the sidewalk?

  36. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    Most Western minds live in a circuitous world of past myths of “we defeated Hitler“, misunderstood events like the strange one-sided end to the Cold War, and idiotic projections where everyone else is oppressive, tyrannical, unfree, but any event at home is ok.
     
    Correction: most Westerners are a lot smarter than the behavior of their governments suggests. Just look at the piles of manure German and French farmers give their powers-that-be. Remarkably fitting, considering the quality of French and German “governments”. Or look at the contempt most Americans have for the Alzheimer-in-Chief.

    However, most Westerners are woefully ignorant and misinformed, as they are meant to be by their “elites” that deliberately made Western education systems and MSM a joke. Many leave in the bubble of lies created by their “elites”, but gradually Western people learn to distrust the BS fed to them by their MSM and governments. It’s a painful and protracted process, but it’s underway.

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow, @Derer

    However, most Westerners are woefully ignorant and misinformed,

    No more so than you, who habitually makes bizarre and false statements.

  37. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    Most Western minds live in a circuitous world of past myths of “we defeated Hitler“, misunderstood events like the strange one-sided end to the Cold War, and idiotic projections where everyone else is oppressive, tyrannical, unfree, but any event at home is ok.
     
    Correction: most Westerners are a lot smarter than the behavior of their governments suggests. Just look at the piles of manure German and French farmers give their powers-that-be. Remarkably fitting, considering the quality of French and German “governments”. Or look at the contempt most Americans have for the Alzheimer-in-Chief.

    However, most Westerners are woefully ignorant and misinformed, as they are meant to be by their “elites” that deliberately made Western education systems and MSM a joke. Many leave in the bubble of lies created by their “elites”, but gradually Western people learn to distrust the BS fed to them by their MSM and governments. It’s a painful and protracted process, but it’s underway.

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow, @Derer

    …most Westerners are woefully ignorant and misinformed, as they are meant to be by their “elites” that deliberately made Western education systems and MSM a joke.

    Societies, systems, governments can be compared in many different ways – maybe the most important criteria is who produces more high quality people. I don’t mean the elite, just people in general. It makes sense biologically.

    In that today’s West ranks low – the ignorance and inability to think critically is worse than in the previous generations and in other competing societies. If that is intentional it is a damning verdict on the Western elites.

    Some of it is the result of lazy, unfocused lives people live – whatever the reason, it bodes badly for the societies – sure, they can ‘replace‘ the people with higher quality outsiders and become something else. But the same devolution happens to the newcomers and their progeny. It is not a winning model.

    The farmers are great – there are just not enough of them…

  38. @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Reminds me of Swift’s “Gulliver's Travels”. Remember the conflict between those who break open their eggs at the little end (Little-Endians) and those who choose the big end (Big-Endians)?

    Who cares? Is the fact that Al Capone was Italian more important than that he was a criminal? I don’t think so. In the same vein, Jewish criminals are criminals, while Jews who do not do anything criminal are innocent, in both cases regardless of their origin, mythical or real. The same applies to every nation on Earth.

    So, let the lively debate between Little-Endians and Big-Endians continue. The answer is as vitally important as the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123

    Is the fact that Al Capone was Italian more important than that he was a criminal? I don’t think so. In the same vein, Jewish criminals are criminals, while Jews who do not do anything criminal are innocent,

    I made a similar point in the prior thread.

    Oligarchs are oligarchs first. Given the small number of oligarchs on the planet, smearing 100% of all Jews by fabricating the concept “Jewish oligarchs” is nonsensical. There are oligarchs of all lineages.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123

    It is parallel to negroes at 13% of the population doing 52% of the violent crime. And more extreme. Jews at 2% of the population doing 40% of the oligarchy. In one case it's P(danger) at 4X and in the other case it is P(deserves to be stood against a wall and shot dead) is 20X.

    I realize this math might be a challenge for you.

    Replies: @A123

  39. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    Is the fact that Al Capone was Italian more important than that he was a criminal? I don’t think so. In the same vein, Jewish criminals are criminals, while Jews who do not do anything criminal are innocent,
     
    I made a similar point in the prior thread.

    Oligarchs are oligarchs first. Given the small number of oligarchs on the planet, smearing 100% of all Jews by fabricating the concept "Jewish oligarchs" is nonsensical. There are oligarchs of all lineages.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    It is parallel to negroes at 13% of the population doing 52% of the violent crime. And more extreme. Jews at 2% of the population doing 40% of the oligarchy. In one case it’s P(danger) at 4X and in the other case it is P(deserves to be stood against a wall and shot dead) is 20X.

    I realize this math might be a challenge for you.

    • Thanks: QCIC
    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I realize that you may be math challenged. There are:

    ~ 15,000,000 Million Jews
    ~ 1,500 "Jewish" oligarchs

    Due to your lack of mathematical capability let me work that out for you.

    1,500 / 15,000,000 = 0.01% of the population.

    In what unhinged & anti-factual world does it make sense to smear 99.99% of a group because you dislike 0.01%? Do you think that "Joooooozzzzzzz" are in your closet right now plotting something?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234

  40. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123

    It is parallel to negroes at 13% of the population doing 52% of the violent crime. And more extreme. Jews at 2% of the population doing 40% of the oligarchy. In one case it's P(danger) at 4X and in the other case it is P(deserves to be stood against a wall and shot dead) is 20X.

    I realize this math might be a challenge for you.

    Replies: @A123

    I realize that you may be math challenged. There are:

    ~ 15,000,000 Million Jews
    ~ 1,500 “Jewish” oligarchs

    Due to your lack of mathematical capability let me work that out for you.

    1,500 / 15,000,000 = 0.01% of the population.

    In what unhinged & anti-factual world does it make sense to smear 99.99% of a group because you dislike 0.01%? Do you think that “Joooooozzzzzzz” are in your closet right now plotting something?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    Well ENR,

    It looks like Mr. ABC/123 failed your math test :(
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-aSjHnbw18

    Replies: @A123

    , @Gerard1234
    @A123

    Well, Orthodox Jews and other devout forms of Judaism shouldn't be classified in the "cabal" category. So thats 3 million maybe. African and other Jews from India or wherever don't get grouped in the cabal category, so is that another 1 milllion less.

    Jewish gangster/thief types do much of their cheating as brothers ( on a separate issue did Gershwin's brother have any actual talent to deserve being the lyricist to his music?) . Then I am going to include the wife/husband and assume 2 children and merge them into one group.

    1500/15000000-3000000-1000000 divided by 2 ( Koch brothers, Weinstein brothers, Gershwin brothers, Warner brothers) then divided by 4 (because of the marriage and 2 children)= 0.11% of the population!!


    In what unhinged & anti-factual world does it make sense to smear 99.99% of a group because you dislike 0.01%? Do you think that “Joooooozzzzzzz” are in your closet right now plotting something?
     
    The oligarchs issue is different, but Jews being heads of nuclear weapons development program of Soviets and USA, and being the top spies for both sides around WW2/Cold war is entirely coincidental ,meritocratic and a product of circumstances. Same for several other sectors where historical reasons have made them jewish-heavy skillsets. For Oligarchy the issue is different though .Soros and Khodorkovsky have zero entrepreneurial 0r technical skill - they are a total fit with the Nazi caricature of Jewish gangster-type, sinister parasite that clearly isn't meritocratic or coincidental.

    Replies: @A123

  41. @A123
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I realize that you may be math challenged. There are:

    ~ 15,000,000 Million Jews
    ~ 1,500 "Jewish" oligarchs

    Due to your lack of mathematical capability let me work that out for you.

    1,500 / 15,000,000 = 0.01% of the population.

    In what unhinged & anti-factual world does it make sense to smear 99.99% of a group because you dislike 0.01%? Do you think that "Joooooozzzzzzz" are in your closet right now plotting something?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234

    Well ENR,

    It looks like Mr. ABC/123 failed your math test 🙁

    [MORE]

    • Troll: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC

    Here is a little tip that may help you in life:

    BE LESS RACIST!

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

  42. @QCIC
    @A123

    Well ENR,

    It looks like Mr. ABC/123 failed your math test :(
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-aSjHnbw18

    Replies: @A123

    Here is a little tip that may help you in life:

    BE LESS RACIST!

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

  43. YouTube has punished me once again for using adblocker with the recommended video being “HUGE abscess on bull lanced.”

    It is like something I once imagined after reading folklore about heroes battling great monsters using weapons coated with powerful poisons.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Or perhaps like reading George Orwell's 1984?

    , @silviosilver
    @songbird


    YouTube has punished me once again for using adblocker
     
    Which adblocker are you using now? The ones I had been using stopped working. Help me out.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

  44. @AnonfromTN
    @Sher Singh


    They’re cutting federal funds and blocking lng exports to Texas I think.
     
    Yes, libtards are trying to choke Texas economically. However, 25 states have already expressed their support for Texas, so libtards are trying to bite a lot more than they can chew. Although the majority of Americans are the most gullible and docile sheeple in the world (compared to most Americans almost any Russian is a fiery revolutionary), even they can be roused.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @Barbarossa

    I guess Biden is trying to increase the value of Russia’s LNG exports.

    • LOL: AnonfromTN
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Barbarossa

    Dementia rules!

  45. @A123
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I realize that you may be math challenged. There are:

    ~ 15,000,000 Million Jews
    ~ 1,500 "Jewish" oligarchs

    Due to your lack of mathematical capability let me work that out for you.

    1,500 / 15,000,000 = 0.01% of the population.

    In what unhinged & anti-factual world does it make sense to smear 99.99% of a group because you dislike 0.01%? Do you think that "Joooooozzzzzzz" are in your closet right now plotting something?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234

    Well, Orthodox Jews and other devout forms of Judaism shouldn’t be classified in the “cabal” category. So thats 3 million maybe. African and other Jews from India or wherever don’t get grouped in the cabal category, so is that another 1 milllion less.

    Jewish gangster/thief types do much of their cheating as brothers ( on a separate issue did Gershwin’s brother have any actual talent to deserve being the lyricist to his music?) . Then I am going to include the wife/husband and assume 2 children and merge them into one group.

    1500/15000000-3000000-1000000 divided by 2 ( Koch brothers, Weinstein brothers, Gershwin brothers, Warner brothers) then divided by 4 (because of the marriage and 2 children)= 0.11% of the population!!

    In what unhinged & anti-factual world does it make sense to smear 99.99% of a group because you dislike 0.01%? Do you think that “Joooooozzzzzzz” are in your closet right now plotting something?

    The oligarchs issue is different, but Jews being heads of nuclear weapons development program of Soviets and USA, and being the top spies for both sides around WW2/Cold war is entirely coincidental ,meritocratic and a product of circumstances. Same for several other sectors where historical reasons have made them jewish-heavy skillsets. For Oligarchy the issue is different though .Soros and Khodorkovsky have zero entrepreneurial 0r technical skill – they are a total fit with the Nazi caricature of Jewish gangster-type, sinister parasite that clearly isn’t meritocratic or coincidental.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Gerard1234

    The problem with ENR's hypothesis is he mixed religion & ethnicity.


    negroes at 13%
    ...
    Jews at 2% of the population
     
    The statistical problem is obvious. This is not a valid operation as one is a religion and the other is not.

    Given the need to reach ethnicity versus ethnicity, I offer the dubious exchange of Khazar for Jews. This allows for HBD concepts.

    Those of Khazar HBD lineage can fall in three groups:
        -1- Those who practice Judaism (a.k.a. Jews)
        -2- Non-Jews who do not practice Judaism
        -3- Violent anti-Semites who actively harm or action ers of Judaism.

    Only those in #1 are Jewish. Those that ENR calls out in #2/#3 are non-Jews.
    ____

    There are explicit examples of non-Jews #2-#3:

    George IslamoSoros is an open advocate of the Boxcar Death System [BDS] system and yearns for a Judenfrei land from River To The Sea. Genocide of millions of indigenous Palestinian Jews.

    How stupid does the FSM think we are? Genocidal Khazar post-Judaic apostates are not Jews. They hate those who continue practice Judaism.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @A123

  46. @Gerard1234
    @A123

    Well, Orthodox Jews and other devout forms of Judaism shouldn't be classified in the "cabal" category. So thats 3 million maybe. African and other Jews from India or wherever don't get grouped in the cabal category, so is that another 1 milllion less.

    Jewish gangster/thief types do much of their cheating as brothers ( on a separate issue did Gershwin's brother have any actual talent to deserve being the lyricist to his music?) . Then I am going to include the wife/husband and assume 2 children and merge them into one group.

    1500/15000000-3000000-1000000 divided by 2 ( Koch brothers, Weinstein brothers, Gershwin brothers, Warner brothers) then divided by 4 (because of the marriage and 2 children)= 0.11% of the population!!


    In what unhinged & anti-factual world does it make sense to smear 99.99% of a group because you dislike 0.01%? Do you think that “Joooooozzzzzzz” are in your closet right now plotting something?
     
    The oligarchs issue is different, but Jews being heads of nuclear weapons development program of Soviets and USA, and being the top spies for both sides around WW2/Cold war is entirely coincidental ,meritocratic and a product of circumstances. Same for several other sectors where historical reasons have made them jewish-heavy skillsets. For Oligarchy the issue is different though .Soros and Khodorkovsky have zero entrepreneurial 0r technical skill - they are a total fit with the Nazi caricature of Jewish gangster-type, sinister parasite that clearly isn't meritocratic or coincidental.

    Replies: @A123

    The problem with ENR’s hypothesis is he mixed religion & ethnicity.

    negroes at 13%

    Jews at 2% of the population

    The statistical problem is obvious. This is not a valid operation as one is a religion and the other is not.

    Given the need to reach ethnicity versus ethnicity, I offer the dubious exchange of Khazar for Jews. This allows for HBD concepts.

    Those of Khazar HBD lineage can fall in three groups:
        -1- Those who practice Judaism (a.k.a. Jews)
        -2- Non-Jews who do not practice Judaism
        -3- Violent anti-Semites who actively harm or action ers of Judaism.

    Only those in #1 are Jewish. Those that ENR calls out in #2/#3 are non-Jews.
    ____

    There are explicit examples of non-Jews #2-#3:

    George IslamoSoros is an open advocate of the Boxcar Death System [BDS] system and yearns for a Judenfrei land from River To The Sea. Genocide of millions of indigenous Palestinian Jews.

    How stupid does the FSM think we are? Genocidal Khazar post-Judaic apostates are not Jews. They hate those who continue practice Judaism.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @A123
    @A123


    -3- Violent anti-Semites who actively harm or action ers of Judaism.
     
    Auto correct is a plague.

    -3- Violent anti-Semites who actively harm practitioners of Judaism.

    PEACE 😇
  47. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    Most Western minds live in a circuitous world of past myths of “we defeated Hitler“, misunderstood events like the strange one-sided end to the Cold War, and idiotic projections where everyone else is oppressive, tyrannical, unfree, but any event at home is ok.
     
    Correction: most Westerners are a lot smarter than the behavior of their governments suggests. Just look at the piles of manure German and French farmers give their powers-that-be. Remarkably fitting, considering the quality of French and German “governments”. Or look at the contempt most Americans have for the Alzheimer-in-Chief.

    However, most Westerners are woefully ignorant and misinformed, as they are meant to be by their “elites” that deliberately made Western education systems and MSM a joke. Many leave in the bubble of lies created by their “elites”, but gradually Western people learn to distrust the BS fed to them by their MSM and governments. It’s a painful and protracted process, but it’s underway.

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow, @Derer

    I agree with your post…however the Americans are hardly misinformed about the Biden’s senility, his corruption, his paying bribes to Ukrainian gang, but half of the country want him for 4 more year.

    Think about France or Germany elections and what kind of puppets they elected. That somewhat contrast with your: “Westerners are a lot smarter than the behavior of their governments suggests.”

  48. @Beckow
    @Gerard1234


    ...This route is via Helsinki and under 12 hours...that length of trip could ONLY be possible via Russian flightpath.
     
    Those are charter flights registered in Armenia, Kazakhastan etc...Finns look the other way because they are smarter then Balts or Ukies.

    The underlying issue in the West is the lack of geographic and historical sense majority of people have - often even smart people. They don't get how it works, they lack the deep historical experience. They replaced it with empty narcissistic self-regard - "China can never make chips, haha...", "Houthis fight with spears...", "Ukies will march on Moscow with Nato superior weapons..."

    It can't really be helped. Most Western minds live in a circuitous world of past myths like "only we defeated the Nazis", misunderstood events like the strange one-sided end to the Cold War, and idiotic projections where everyone else is oppressive, tyrannical, unfree, but any event at home is ok.

    They can't win, they took on the whole world and misunderstand the relative forces. But it looks like is too late to walk back the rhetoric...as always the most crazy ones, usually the secondary allies like the Balts, Ukies, maybe Poles, will pay the highest price. But stupidity has to have a price no matter how sad it is...if not, how would it work?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Derer, @Philip Owen

    What about Germans…their unconditional love of their occupier and destroyer of their energy supplies (billions wasted) makes them devoted servant even against their own national interest.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Derer


    What about Germans…their unconditional love of their occupier and destroyer of their energy supplies (billions wasted) makes them devoted servant even against their own national interest.
     
    Angela "Welcome Rape-ugees" Merkel indeed maximized Muslim occupation. The Islamophile Green party destroyed their own energy infrastructure in the name of Muhammad.

    Islamophile elites are 100% devoted to destroying the Judeo-Christian blue collar base.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @AP
    @Derer

    German national interest is a massive neo-Russian Empire to their East?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Beckow
    @Derer

    Germany is a combination of a very developed society with political and social underdevelopment. They have been suppressed for so long that many Germans lost their sense of self. They can still be very smart and productive, but others run their lives...

    The underlying dynamic is that when Germans try to lift their heads they are told by their Anglo overseers "but WW2!!!...and we saved you from the Russians!!"...whether it's true or not doesn't matter, it is such a taboo subject that even very smart people prefer not to touch it.

  49. @A123
    @Gerard1234

    The problem with ENR's hypothesis is he mixed religion & ethnicity.


    negroes at 13%
    ...
    Jews at 2% of the population
     
    The statistical problem is obvious. This is not a valid operation as one is a religion and the other is not.

    Given the need to reach ethnicity versus ethnicity, I offer the dubious exchange of Khazar for Jews. This allows for HBD concepts.

    Those of Khazar HBD lineage can fall in three groups:
        -1- Those who practice Judaism (a.k.a. Jews)
        -2- Non-Jews who do not practice Judaism
        -3- Violent anti-Semites who actively harm or action ers of Judaism.

    Only those in #1 are Jewish. Those that ENR calls out in #2/#3 are non-Jews.
    ____

    There are explicit examples of non-Jews #2-#3:

    George IslamoSoros is an open advocate of the Boxcar Death System [BDS] system and yearns for a Judenfrei land from River To The Sea. Genocide of millions of indigenous Palestinian Jews.

    How stupid does the FSM think we are? Genocidal Khazar post-Judaic apostates are not Jews. They hate those who continue practice Judaism.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @A123

    -3- Violent anti-Semites who actively harm or action ers of Judaism.

    Auto correct is a plague.

    -3- Violent anti-Semites who actively harm practitioners of Judaism.

    PEACE 😇

  50. @Derer
    @Beckow

    What about Germans...their unconditional love of their occupier and destroyer of their energy supplies (billions wasted) makes them devoted servant even against their own national interest.

    Replies: @A123, @AP, @Beckow

    What about Germans…their unconditional love of their occupier and destroyer of their energy supplies (billions wasted) makes them devoted servant even against their own national interest.

    Angela “Welcome Rape-ugees” Merkel indeed maximized Muslim occupation. The Islamophile Green party destroyed their own energy infrastructure in the name of Muhammad.

    Islamophile elites are 100% devoted to destroying the Judeo-Christian blue collar base.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @A123

    Angela Merkel is trying to play geopolitics by wooing the descendants of the subjects of Germany's former ally the Ottoman Empire, which ruled over Syria, Iraq, et cetera.

  51. @sudden death

    The 3ft fish was found floating on the surface of a Suffolk fishery with the 3lb carp stuffed down its throat after choking to death trying to swallow its prey.
     
    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/18/article-2050410-0E6BEEC600000578-514_468x794.jpg

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050410/Giant-pike-chokes-death-trying-swallow-huge-carp-pictures.html

    The pike above can be used as a symbol spirit animal of both Tsarist/Soviet regimes back then in XX century, but Putler is trying his best to follow the same path;)


    Sean McMeekin doesn't treat it this but there is this thing in which there is a very direct continuity between the desires of Russian Imperial leadership and the Soviet leadership in their view of the world.

    WW1 was just a direct imperialist war for Russia far more than for France and English (they wanted to cut Ottomans and Germans somewhat, but mostly maintain colonies). Russian leadership really wanted to cut Ottomans and Austrians into pieces, get Galicia, the Straits, rule over the Balkans and Greece, dominate Iran, threaten English in Asia (also get Manchuria and Mongolia in China), and then rule the world.

    And it wasn't the position of only the aristocrats and Tsars and the more atavistic parts of the regime, in general, liberals also wanted to conquer all of this and rule the world after. Communist leadership came to power with a fundamental lie about how they didn't want war (which the population supported), but they also wanted to conquer everything and rule the world after.

    Obviously, the position that Russia should try to rule the world was wrong and mistaken. In general, the 20th century was a real annoyance from the Soviet government about how they should be ruling the world instead of Americans who got it because they are lucky and don't deserve it.
     

    https://twitter.com/devarbol/status/1752520855052018057

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234, @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    One wonders whether an SR-led Russia would have been just as ravenous in its appetite for imperial expansion as both Tsarist Russia and Bolshevik Russia were.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Mr. XYZ

    Kerensky continued the war. So the answer is a clear YES.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  52. @A123
    @Derer


    What about Germans…their unconditional love of their occupier and destroyer of their energy supplies (billions wasted) makes them devoted servant even against their own national interest.
     
    Angela "Welcome Rape-ugees" Merkel indeed maximized Muslim occupation. The Islamophile Green party destroyed their own energy infrastructure in the name of Muhammad.

    Islamophile elites are 100% devoted to destroying the Judeo-Christian blue collar base.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Angela Merkel is trying to play geopolitics by wooing the descendants of the subjects of Germany’s former ally the Ottoman Empire, which ruled over Syria, Iraq, et cetera.

  53. @Emil Nikola Richard
    Khazars.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/prof-john-beaty-and-the-true-origin-of-the-jews/

    Haplogroup debates.

    Some of you are missing the fun.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN, @LondonBob, @Mikel

    I feel like Ron has misinterpreted what Eran Elhaik has said, his belief is Jews have an origin in the silk road region, along with its peoples, and then inhabiting the Khazarian Empire, rather than specifically a Khazarian people.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3595026/

    The Anglo Saxons were far better documented, and the population far more settled, and yet controversy still rages as to the genetic impact they had on the British Isles.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LondonBob

    They are both wrong. The reason the genetics is so bizarre is that the Jews are the seed corn for the gray aliens. The gray aliens are time travelers from future earth who have destroyed their genetic potentiality and are mucking around with the genes here-now to try and restart themselves then-there. They should have listened to their parents at age five: don't play with matches--you will get burned.

    Replies: @QCIC

  54. So Russia comprehensively won their case at the ICJ.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @LondonBob

    A total farce. We'll see how part 2 goes on Friday. I suppose we're about to witness a complete turnaround from our kremlin stooge contingent here, now being totally enraptured with Western legal institutions. :-)

  55. Sher Singh says:

    When all other voters gave President Joe Biden a 41 percent job approval, the elite 1 percent rated him at 82 percent approval.

    The gap between the elite 1 percent and the rest of America is startling. While 57 percent of all voters say there is not enough individual freedom in America, 47 percent of the elite 1 percent say there is too much freedom. If you ask the section of the group that is politically obsessed (people who talk politics every day), 69 percent say there is too much individual freedom in America.

    Given this, it’s not surprising that the elite 1 percent have great faith in government. Some 70 percent trust government to do the right thing most of the time.

    https://blog.reaction.la/war/fall-of-the-global-american-empire/

    lol at this tho https://blog.reaction.la/war/a-possible-path-to-survival/#comment-2884387

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Sher Singh

    Interesting looking blog and comments, but I'm not sure about Jim, the author's, reasoning. He certainly makes a pile of assertions about Trump/ GAE/ Afghanistan etc. without providing any rationale. Interesting and sweeping claims without any bona-fides seem pretty worthless.

    I'm pretty doubtful that anyone of consequence really thought that the Afghan muppets could maintain control after the US pullout. Even the MSM pundits were signaling regime collapse. The Afghan government surprised most in the speed of its' complete collapse but not that in the fact that it did collapse.

    I'm not surprised at the polling numbers on elites versus non-elites. Freedom is a concept fraught with risk if you are sitting on top of the pile. Which is why RW folks have finally and belatedly discovered that they should oppose government/corporate power. They had the illusion through at least the Bush years that the systems were on their side, which was a gross miscalculation. Too little too late.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  56. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    Cleaning them up at home requires a few drinks (a disgustingly bloody sort of ordeal
     
    Quite humorously, for much of my life I never understood that fish had red blood as I had only ever seen prepared fish, and it doesn't seem to hold blood well, when compared to the meat of land animals. I had once seen a hint of green in some cooked haddock (for what reason?) and I associated this with Mr. Spock and built an ecology around it. (I think mollusks have green blood)

    BTW, have you ever seen any worms come out, when you cook it up? And do you catch them (i.e. the catfish) by having them bite your hand?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    & :

    The general rule seems to be the bigger the fish, the bigger the mess, the more red blood (I’ve never seen any green blood). A big catty is a lot of work, so if anybody ever offers you some, be grateful and enjoy it knowing that you missed out on the bloody preliminaries. Also, cutting up the fish into manageable smaller pieces can be difficult because of tendon and bone issues. I’ve not seen any worms close-up, but to be honest I’ve never really cleaned the fish myself but have been an innocent bystander. 🙂

    Letting it bight my hand – are you kidding? How big of a nutter do you really think that I am? I’ve never gutted or watched any other animal being gutted. As a teenager I worked at an old fashioned meat market and saw plenty of venison butchered up for the table and the rest used to make sausage, but the meat always came in pre-gutted.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    With salmon, I hear worms often come out, when it goes on the grill. If you buy it at a supermarket, you can't return it because a certain number are expected.

    I don't know exactly how it works, and what they have to eat to get them, but I have heard some whales have worms like garden hoses, 30' long.


    Or perhaps like reading George Orwell’s 1984
     
    am sure they have a bigger file on me than a group like the Stazi could ever imagine.

    Am a looking foreword to most cookies being eliminated, which I expect later this year.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @QCIC

  57. @LondonBob
    So Russia comprehensively won their case at the ICJ.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    A total farce. We’ll see how part 2 goes on Friday. I suppose we’re about to witness a complete turnaround from our kremlin stooge contingent here, now being totally enraptured with Western legal institutions. 🙂

  58. @songbird
    YouTube has punished me once again for using adblocker with the recommended video being "HUGE abscess on bull lanced."

    It is like something I once imagined after reading folklore about heroes battling great monsters using weapons coated with powerful poisons.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @silviosilver

    Or perhaps like reading George Orwell’s 1984?

  59. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    @songbird & @Barbarossa:

    The general rule seems to be the bigger the fish, the bigger the mess, the more red blood (I've never seen any green blood). A big catty is a lot of work, so if anybody ever offers you some, be grateful and enjoy it knowing that you missed out on the bloody preliminaries. Also, cutting up the fish into manageable smaller pieces can be difficult because of tendon and bone issues. I've not seen any worms close-up, but to be honest I've never really cleaned the fish myself but have been an innocent bystander. :-)

    Letting it bight my hand - are you kidding? How big of a nutter do you really think that I am? I've never gutted or watched any other animal being gutted. As a teenager I worked at an old fashioned meat market and saw plenty of venison butchered up for the table and the rest used to make sausage, but the meat always came in pre-gutted.

    Replies: @songbird

    With salmon, I hear worms often come out, when it goes on the grill. If you buy it at a supermarket, you can’t return it because a certain number are expected.

    I don’t know exactly how it works, and what they have to eat to get them, but I have heard some whales have worms like garden hoses, 30′ long.

    Or perhaps like reading George Orwell’s 1984

    am sure they have a bigger file on me than a group like the Stazi could ever imagine.

    Am a looking foreword to most cookies being eliminated, which I expect later this year.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    Am a looking foreword to most cookies being eliminated, which I expect later this year.
     
    How and why? Who's behind this?

    am sure they have a bigger file on me than a group like the Stazi could ever imagine.
     
    Are you serious? Will I be tainted by association? :-)

    Replies: @songbird

    , @AP
    @songbird

    We grill a lot of salmon but have never noticed worms coming out. Maybe it’s a problem mostly with Pacific salmon?

    Replies: @songbird

    , @QCIC
    @songbird

    I have read that many large ocean fish have worms. This is a reason why tuna and salmon for sushi are often frozen to kill these parasites.

  60. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    With salmon, I hear worms often come out, when it goes on the grill. If you buy it at a supermarket, you can't return it because a certain number are expected.

    I don't know exactly how it works, and what they have to eat to get them, but I have heard some whales have worms like garden hoses, 30' long.


    Or perhaps like reading George Orwell’s 1984
     
    am sure they have a bigger file on me than a group like the Stazi could ever imagine.

    Am a looking foreword to most cookies being eliminated, which I expect later this year.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @QCIC

    Am a looking foreword to most cookies being eliminated, which I expect later this year.

    How and why? Who’s behind this?

    am sure they have a bigger file on me than a group like the Stazi could ever imagine.

    Are you serious? Will I be tainted by association? 🙂

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    How and why? Who’s behind this?
     
    What I heard is that Apple already dealt with the problem on the I-phone. They cited privacy concerns of users.

    Google is supposed to be following suit, later this year. Possibly it has something to do with eliminating their competition, in terms of paid clicks for ads. It will be in an update to Chrome. Don't use it myself, but most browsers are based on Chrome, with Mozilla being the main exception.

    But I certainly welcome it, as cookies have become really obnoxious, with virtually every site, including government ones, having cookies.

    Are you serious? Will I be tainted by association? 🙂
     
    My view of it is essentially this: intelligence services have massive budgets - more money than you or I could even conceive of. And they spend that money and greedily grab and keep all the information they can on everyone, and it is really easy too as they are embedded in all the big tech companies. Digital doesn't have the man-power limitations that the Stazi had, so the files are bigger. If they have the interest in you to open them.

    I read Snowden's book, and he said they were trading candid pics of girls.
  61. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    With salmon, I hear worms often come out, when it goes on the grill. If you buy it at a supermarket, you can't return it because a certain number are expected.

    I don't know exactly how it works, and what they have to eat to get them, but I have heard some whales have worms like garden hoses, 30' long.


    Or perhaps like reading George Orwell’s 1984
     
    am sure they have a bigger file on me than a group like the Stazi could ever imagine.

    Am a looking foreword to most cookies being eliminated, which I expect later this year.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @QCIC

    We grill a lot of salmon but have never noticed worms coming out. Maybe it’s a problem mostly with Pacific salmon?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AP


    We grill a lot of salmon but have never noticed worms coming out. Maybe it’s a problem mostly with Pacific salmon?

     

    Strongly suspect that it wouldn't be as big of an issue in farmed fish. The fish meal shouldn't contain the larvae.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anisakis
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anisakis#Anisakiasis

    @QCIC

    have read that many large ocean fish have worms. This is a reason why tuna and salmon for sushi are often frozen to kill these parasites.
     
    Apparently, they can induce anaphylaxis in some people.

    Also, some can infect people. You'd think the evolutionary split between marine mammals and humans would be big enough for some margin of safety. Would guess it is not necessarily easy, but it certainly does happen - the guts are similar enough.

    And, IMO, last thing you want to do is consume some worms that infect some other species - sometimes they get confused when they get inside you and migrate to really bad places. At least, I know that happens with some terrestrial worms.

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

  62. @Derer
    @Beckow

    What about Germans...their unconditional love of their occupier and destroyer of their energy supplies (billions wasted) makes them devoted servant even against their own national interest.

    Replies: @A123, @AP, @Beckow

    German national interest is a massive neo-Russian Empire to their East?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...German national interest is a massive neo-Russian Empire to their East?
     
    German national interest is to have peace and prosperity - not to be dominated by one side or the other, but trade with all. All of the Central Europe has that national interest - but for the smaller states, there is also the danger of being dominated by Germany.

    Look at the situation on the ground: there is no "neo-Russian" empire and there can never be - it is not economically and culturally possible, the demographics are not there. But we are already dominated by the remote Anglo Empire: pushing us into a war we don't need, impoverishing us with cutting of trade and forced military spending, bringing in Third Worlders to make us more compliant and more like "them"...

    Our national interest is in fighting realistic dangers. You make up scary monsters to be able to act as a monster. An old tactic and one that always eventually backfires. See the absolute f...ing disaster in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP, @LondonBob

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Germany tried that approach back in the late 1800s with the Three Emperors' League. But it subsequently collapsed, twice, and then Russia allied with France and thus made Germany paranoid, which subsequently helped create the political climate for WWI breaking out in 1914.

  63. Ukraine has managed to do a better job of ending Russian efforts to stop shipping from Odesa, than the West has done in preventing the Houthis from shutting down trade through the Red Sea 🙂

    “ Ukraine has effectively countered Russia’s blockade in the Black Sea by establishing an alternative shipping corridor, crucial for maintaining trade — The Economist.

    This corridor, initiated after a grain deal collapse, has seen nearly 500 vessels navigate safely through Ukrainian ports. Despite the inherent risks, including missile attacks and drone threats, Ukraine has managed to restore trade volumes in the Odessa region to nearly pre-war levels.”

    “ The strategic importance of this alternative route is underscored by the fact that 60% of Ukraine’s trade used to pass through its deep-sea ports before Russia’s economic blockade. The corridor, carefully selected to avoid Russian submarines and backed by shore artillery, has not only proven successful but has also witnessed a significant reduction in insurance costs for ships using the route.”

    [MORE]

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @AP

    How much war material arrives on these ships?

    , @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    Ukraine has managed to do a better job of ending Russian efforts to stop shipping from Odesa, than the West has done in preventing the Houthis from shutting down trade through the Red Sea
     
    That was too easy. Anything above zero would be a better job. It’s like being proud that your dog is smarter than Biden: too easy to count it as an achievement.
    , @Derer
    @AP

    Boy oh boy, Ukraine is so successful in anything they touch, they are a "superpower"...this all thanks to horilka I guess...they are on the way to surpass Zimbabwe, in 5 years. Thanks, AP for the update.

    Although Odessa and Kharkiv are on the Russian annexation plan and nobody will stop them...they are nuclear superpower that can reach the snake head hiding anywhere.

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP


    Ukraine has managed to do a better job of ending Russian efforts to stop shipping from Odesa, than the West has done in preventing the Houthis from shutting down trade through the Red Sea 🙂
     
    Its staggering that such a dumb bimbo f**kup exists as yourself, that can write such obviously stupid things

    1. Russia was enabling the shipping from Odessa you laughable POS. Millions of tonnes of grain and other products were shipped from Odessa under this deal that was working fine. Russian ships guiding them through the route and conducting regular minesweeper patrols (the need for this caused by......!!!!!) . Ukronazis have "ended" f**k all by Russia you thick idiot.

    2. Hilariously 404, in desire for a fake PR victory, fake peremoga, have released Black Sea Fleet from obligations to ensure safe passage of and checking ukrop cargo on commercial shipping.......and generously given Russian military a free ticket to destroy every grain silo, every docking terminal, depot, any part of port infrastructure that they wish to you thick imbecile. Zero point in shipping if there is nothing to transport LMAO. All shipping activity allowed in last few months is from political/economic considerations of Russia and ZERO military connection. Insurance costs for commercial ships to our own ports are reduced if its not actually the ships, but the port infrastructure itself targeted.

    3.Part of the optical illusion about "increased shipping from Odessa" is precisely because the Danube ports like Izmail and the others have successfully been targeted by Russian missiles and drones you dumb prick since the end of the grain deal. Once again, how stupid do you have to be to not understand this? Cargo that should have been unloaded at the Danube ports in recent months has shifted to Odessa.

    4. This pitiful idiotic route is of course a failure, and its a longer, slower route that is actually more dangerous

    5.Far more important is the overall context of everything - the grain harvest was massively down for the last year for 404, this year the yield will be even less and far less hectares have been able to be sowed for a variety of reasons - all related to the SMO. Less grain grown to be harvested,more fallow land, Russia controlling a sizeable part of land of Ukraine agricultural exports, Russia controlling the land and infrastructure of most of (previous) 404's sizeable metallurgical exports...but on the other scale - Ukronazi /NATO sick destruction of Novaya Kakovka dam wrecking huge area of farmland

    6. Not only has the banking, sporting, technology sectors become victims of western geopolitics......it now appears the Insurance industry is new one. NATO insurance companies now appear to be in existence to give the fake impression on insurance for these ships, because if Banderastan (for the first time) isn't lying about the shipping insurance going down (from very very high to just high level) - there would be zero chance this has followed accepted Insurance practice.

    7. So, as is obvious, 404 has done f**k all to stop Russian "blockade" you dipshit. We have commitments to Turkey, China......and it looks like with the large buildup of grain since February 2022 - 404 and their farmers are desperate to export at any price (with the price now significantly down too adding to desperation) , so African and other poor countries may actually receive grain this time, which is completely different to the time of the grain deal when under the PR exercise of "poor African countries starving" was actually a trick to deliver more grain for western countries. In addition, Polish scum using their prostitute Slave in 404, and Lithuanian dickheads who for Klaipeda port by banning Russian & Belarus rail cargo( so the dockers have nothing to do) are creating more of this illusion about ship traffic and volumes of cargo from the Black Sea as these desperate freaks make 404 transport or receive their own cargo which for Klaipeda then goes to Scandinavia, primarily.

    8. What stopped the grain deal was Ukronazis targeting the Crimean bridge (again) and Russian ships guiding the commercial ships for the deal and even the minesweepers. The first terrorist scumbag attack on the Crimean bridge that used and killed civilians, is what lead Russia to give to 404 to the energy infrastructure disaster (LOL - although not for subhuman excrement as yourself who has zero connections to Ukraine and so will not know anybody affected by it). So evil, pointless, stupid and effectively self-sabotaging PR scumbag actions that leave 404 in even worse position than before

    9.Going back to your bimbo nonsense about "stopping" Russia - you are referring to damage to our ships.......but that has little connection to how we can practically effect a blockade of Odessa /all of Black Sea you retard.Danube ports depends on "official" rules of engagement of Romanian AD...... And most importantly that these are ALL western operations not ukrop amoebas you stupid POS. Its like crediting the Egyptians for defeating the Nazis in North Africa in WW2. Ukrop naval operations are even more directly 100% controlled by the west than the air force!! Obviously the same applies to the army. Houthis is with Iranian help....not Iranian control and micromanagement.

    Replies: @AP

  64. @Sher Singh
    When all other voters gave President Joe Biden a 41 percent job approval, the elite 1 percent rated him at 82 percent approval.



    The gap between the elite 1 percent and the rest of America is startling. While 57 percent of all voters say there is not enough individual freedom in America, 47 percent of the elite 1 percent say there is too much freedom. If you ask the section of the group that is politically obsessed (people who talk politics every day), 69 percent say there is too much individual freedom in America.

    Given this, it’s not surprising that the elite 1 percent have great faith in government. Some 70 percent trust government to do the right thing most of the time.

    https://blog.reaction.la/war/fall-of-the-global-american-empire/

    lol at this tho https://blog.reaction.la/war/a-possible-path-to-survival/#comment-2884387

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Interesting looking blog and comments, but I’m not sure about Jim, the author’s, reasoning. He certainly makes a pile of assertions about Trump/ GAE/ Afghanistan etc. without providing any rationale. Interesting and sweeping claims without any bona-fides seem pretty worthless.

    I’m pretty doubtful that anyone of consequence really thought that the Afghan muppets could maintain control after the US pullout. Even the MSM pundits were signaling regime collapse. The Afghan government surprised most in the speed of its’ complete collapse but not that in the fact that it did collapse.

    I’m not surprised at the polling numbers on elites versus non-elites. Freedom is a concept fraught with risk if you are sitting on top of the pile. Which is why RW folks have finally and belatedly discovered that they should oppose government/corporate power. They had the illusion through at least the Bush years that the systems were on their side, which was a gross miscalculation. Too little too late.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @Barbarossa

    Jim expects you read his blog back to 2015 to understand – bit of an Ego LOL!
    Bit of an ego on that one, LOL!

    He’s gone unhinged since 2020 & disagrees with honor killing, therefore gay.
    He sides with random Hindu nationalists on there who nurse a severe inferiority complex.

    ਅਕਾਲ

  65. @LondonBob
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I feel like Ron has misinterpreted what Eran Elhaik has said, his belief is Jews have an origin in the silk road region, along with its peoples, and then inhabiting the Khazarian Empire, rather than specifically a Khazarian people.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3595026/

    The Anglo Saxons were far better documented, and the population far more settled, and yet controversy still rages as to the genetic impact they had on the British Isles.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    They are both wrong. The reason the genetics is so bizarre is that the Jews are the seed corn for the gray aliens. The gray aliens are time travelers from future earth who have destroyed their genetic potentiality and are mucking around with the genes here-now to try and restart themselves then-there. They should have listened to their parents at age five: don’t play with matches–you will get burned.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Are you sniffing A123's glue?

    Asking for a "friend", AKA Mr. Hack.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  66. https://www.aljazeera.com/program/inside-story/2024/1/31/why-does-the-imf-predict-strong-russian-growth-despite-sanctions

    “Why does the IMF predict strong Russian growth despite sanctions?
    IMF upgrades growth outlook for Russia and downgrades expectations for the eurozone.


    http://www.aljazeera.com

    Why does the IMF predict strong Russian growth despite sanctions?

    IMF upgrades growth outlook for Russia and downgrades expectations for the eurozone.

    The International Monetary Fund predicts strong growth for Russia’s economy this year, despite sanctions imposed for its invasion of Ukraine.

    Russian Economic Growth

    European nations trail well behind Russia in the IMF growth forecast.

    What’s behind these figures?

    Presenter: Adrian Finighan

    Guests:

    Chris Weafer – chief executive of Macro-Advisory strategic business consultancy focused on Russia and Eurasia

    Erlend Bjortvedt – founder of country risk analysis company Corisk; sanctions expert who’s studied how Russian sanctions are being flouted

    Anatol Lieven – director of the Eurasia Programme at the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft”

    ——————————————

  67. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    With salmon, I hear worms often come out, when it goes on the grill. If you buy it at a supermarket, you can't return it because a certain number are expected.

    I don't know exactly how it works, and what they have to eat to get them, but I have heard some whales have worms like garden hoses, 30' long.


    Or perhaps like reading George Orwell’s 1984
     
    am sure they have a bigger file on me than a group like the Stazi could ever imagine.

    Am a looking foreword to most cookies being eliminated, which I expect later this year.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @QCIC

    I have read that many large ocean fish have worms. This is a reason why tuna and salmon for sushi are often frozen to kill these parasites.

  68. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LondonBob

    They are both wrong. The reason the genetics is so bizarre is that the Jews are the seed corn for the gray aliens. The gray aliens are time travelers from future earth who have destroyed their genetic potentiality and are mucking around with the genes here-now to try and restart themselves then-there. They should have listened to their parents at age five: don't play with matches--you will get burned.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Are you sniffing A123’s glue?

    Asking for a “friend”, AKA Mr. Hack.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    I was giving London Bob some material to work with in case he felt shy about going to the main thread and presenting his case direct. Trying to be helpful.

  69. @AP
    Ukraine has managed to do a better job of ending Russian efforts to stop shipping from Odesa, than the West has done in preventing the Houthis from shutting down trade through the Red Sea :-)

    “ Ukraine has effectively countered Russia's blockade in the Black Sea by establishing an alternative shipping corridor, crucial for maintaining trade — The Economist.

    This corridor, initiated after a grain deal collapse, has seen nearly 500 vessels navigate safely through Ukrainian ports. Despite the inherent risks, including missile attacks and drone threats, Ukraine has managed to restore trade volumes in the Odessa region to nearly pre-war levels.”

    “ The strategic importance of this alternative route is underscored by the fact that 60% of Ukraine's trade used to pass through its deep-sea ports before Russia's economic blockade. The corridor, carefully selected to avoid Russian submarines and backed by shore artillery, has not only proven successful but has also witnessed a significant reduction in insurance costs for ships using the route.”




    https://twitter.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1753026394508956023?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN, @Derer, @Gerard1234

    How much war material arrives on these ships?

  70. @Barbarossa
    @AnonfromTN

    I guess Biden is trying to increase the value of Russia's LNG exports.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Dementia rules!

    • LOL: Barbarossa
  71. @AP
    Ukraine has managed to do a better job of ending Russian efforts to stop shipping from Odesa, than the West has done in preventing the Houthis from shutting down trade through the Red Sea :-)

    “ Ukraine has effectively countered Russia's blockade in the Black Sea by establishing an alternative shipping corridor, crucial for maintaining trade — The Economist.

    This corridor, initiated after a grain deal collapse, has seen nearly 500 vessels navigate safely through Ukrainian ports. Despite the inherent risks, including missile attacks and drone threats, Ukraine has managed to restore trade volumes in the Odessa region to nearly pre-war levels.”

    “ The strategic importance of this alternative route is underscored by the fact that 60% of Ukraine's trade used to pass through its deep-sea ports before Russia's economic blockade. The corridor, carefully selected to avoid Russian submarines and backed by shore artillery, has not only proven successful but has also witnessed a significant reduction in insurance costs for ships using the route.”




    https://twitter.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1753026394508956023?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN, @Derer, @Gerard1234

    Ukraine has managed to do a better job of ending Russian efforts to stop shipping from Odesa, than the West has done in preventing the Houthis from shutting down trade through the Red Sea

    That was too easy. Anything above zero would be a better job. It’s like being proud that your dog is smarter than Biden: too easy to count it as an achievement.

  72. @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Are you sniffing A123's glue?

    Asking for a "friend", AKA Mr. Hack.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    I was giving London Bob some material to work with in case he felt shy about going to the main thread and presenting his case direct. Trying to be helpful.

  73. In Vinnitsa region Ukrainians are masquerading as wild animals to run away across the border:
    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/111464

    Ukraine must be real heaven on Earth and its residents must be fiery patriots for this to happen.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...Ukrainians are masquerading as wild animals to run away across the border
     
    It is dangerous, uncomfortable and very risky. Imagine what the real opinions of the people are if so many are doing this...but we still have the Ukie die-hards quoting the official Kiev opinion surveys...

    When it collapses we will get the horror stories of fear and incompetence. And the corruption...but I doubt the Western media will be interested.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @AP
    @AnonfromTN

    Is this like no new metro stations built in Kiev since 1991?

    , @Derer
    @AnonfromTN

    I heard about this, and in one case two were dressed in cow outfit and by grazing they managed to fool the border patrol...but eventually they became victim of vicious bull.

  74. @Barbarossa
    @Sher Singh

    Interesting looking blog and comments, but I'm not sure about Jim, the author's, reasoning. He certainly makes a pile of assertions about Trump/ GAE/ Afghanistan etc. without providing any rationale. Interesting and sweeping claims without any bona-fides seem pretty worthless.

    I'm pretty doubtful that anyone of consequence really thought that the Afghan muppets could maintain control after the US pullout. Even the MSM pundits were signaling regime collapse. The Afghan government surprised most in the speed of its' complete collapse but not that in the fact that it did collapse.

    I'm not surprised at the polling numbers on elites versus non-elites. Freedom is a concept fraught with risk if you are sitting on top of the pile. Which is why RW folks have finally and belatedly discovered that they should oppose government/corporate power. They had the illusion through at least the Bush years that the systems were on their side, which was a gross miscalculation. Too little too late.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Jim expects you read his blog back to 2015 to understand – bit of an Ego LOL!
    Bit of an ego on that one, LOL!

    He’s gone unhinged since 2020 & disagrees with honor killing, therefore gay.
    He sides with random Hindu nationalists on there who nurse a severe inferiority complex.

    ਅਕਾਲ

  75. @Derer
    @Beckow

    What about Germans...their unconditional love of their occupier and destroyer of their energy supplies (billions wasted) makes them devoted servant even against their own national interest.

    Replies: @A123, @AP, @Beckow

    Germany is a combination of a very developed society with political and social underdevelopment. They have been suppressed for so long that many Germans lost their sense of self. They can still be very smart and productive, but others run their lives…

    The underlying dynamic is that when Germans try to lift their heads they are told by their Anglo overseers “but WW2!!!…and we saved you from the Russians!!“…whether it’s true or not doesn’t matter, it is such a taboo subject that even very smart people prefer not to touch it.

  76. @AP
    @Derer

    German national interest is a massive neo-Russian Empire to their East?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    …German national interest is a massive neo-Russian Empire to their East?

    German national interest is to have peace and prosperity – not to be dominated by one side or the other, but trade with all. All of the Central Europe has that national interest – but for the smaller states, there is also the danger of being dominated by Germany.

    Look at the situation on the ground: there is no “neo-Russian” empire and there can never be – it is not economically and culturally possible, the demographics are not there. But we are already dominated by the remote Anglo Empire: pushing us into a war we don’t need, impoverishing us with cutting of trade and forced military spending, bringing in Third Worlders to make us more compliant and more like “them”…

    Our national interest is in fighting realistic dangers. You make up scary monsters to be able to act as a monster. An old tactic and one that always eventually backfires. See the absolute f…ing disaster in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Just how many Third Worlders have showed up in Slovakia?

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    German national interest is to have peace and prosperity
     
    And Russia was being peaceful by invading Ukraine and starting the largest war in Europe since World War II? You'll argue that it was "preventative", like the Iraq war, so that makes it okay.

    If Russia takes Ukraine (very doubtful), high chance (30% at least) that the Baltics are next. Best way to limit war is to stop Russia in Ukraine.

    All of the Central Europe has that national interest – but for the smaller states, there is also the danger of being dominated by Germany.
     
    Adding Ukraine to Central Europe and using UK/USA as leverage or a balance, limits German domination over Central Europe. Pilsudski was right.

    Look at the situation on the ground: there is no “neo-Russian” empire
     
    Are you too dumb to understand that a neo-Russian Empire is what Putin is attempting to build by taking Ukraine? Yes, right now there is no neo-Russian Empire. And it is in Germany's (and Central Europe's) interest to prevent one from forming.

    and there can never be – it is not economically and culturally possible, the demographics are not there
     
    The Russian Empire included Central Asia, you know. It is a Eurasian Empire. Central Asian demographics are fine. Though Putin is bringing in Africans too now. The first stage would be Ukraine and Belarus, then the Baltics. Then, who knows? Trying to take the Baltics would mean a Polish war, these things spread.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    , @LondonBob
    @Beckow

    The story of the first half of the last century was German seeking to assert their supremacy over Eastern Europe, at Russia's expense, we are back to that again. Although I don't see today's leaders of Germany as independent actors.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  77. @AnonfromTN
    In Vinnitsa region Ukrainians are masquerading as wild animals to run away across the border:
    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/111464

    Ukraine must be real heaven on Earth and its residents must be fiery patriots for this to happen.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP, @Derer

    …Ukrainians are masquerading as wild animals to run away across the border

    It is dangerous, uncomfortable and very risky. Imagine what the real opinions of the people are if so many are doing this…but we still have the Ukie die-hards quoting the official Kiev opinion surveys

    When it collapses we will get the horror stories of fear and incompetence. And the corruption…but I doubt the Western media will be interested.

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    When it collapses we will get the horror stories of fear and incompetence. And the corruption…but I doubt the Western media will be interested.
     
    When the Ukie project collapses, the Western governments and subservient MSM will never mention this disaster, because the West is guilty of creating it.

    However, Ukraine neighbors will be very much interested: Poland, Romania, and Hungary are already salivating over pieces of the corpse of Ukraine, which they confidently expect Russia to make ready for carving up.

    I suspect that only Hungary has a chance of getting something as a reward for its behavior. Putin can organize a referendum in parts of Transcarpathia populated by Hungarians: naturally, they will overwhelmingly vote for joining Hungary. He might do that just for the pleasure of seeing entertaining contortions of Western propaganda. I might be amused, but won’t be surprised: the West lost shame long ago, and its propaganda lost all connection to reality, feeding the sheeple with comrade Ogilvy-style stories for many years. E.g., NYT, WaPo, CNN, and their ilk weren’t caught telling the truth in the last ten years.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Gerard1234, @Mr. Hack

  78. @Emil Nikola Richard
    Khazars.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/prof-john-beaty-and-the-true-origin-of-the-jews/

    Haplogroup debates.

    Some of you are missing the fun.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN, @LondonBob, @Mikel

    Khazars.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/prof-john-beaty-and-the-true-origin-of-the-jews/

    Haplogroup debates.

    Some of you are missing the fun.

    Another discussion about The Jews on Unz? You can’t imagine how much I’m enjoying every moment of missing that fun.

    • Agree: AnonfromTN, A123, Yevardian
    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    I'm just going to stick with Emil Nikola Richard's explanation that the Jews are a grey alien genetic experiment. It wins points for entertainment value and possible film rights.

    Nobody wants to watch a movie about Khazars and Haplogroups.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel

    I thought you were into all those old lengthy Karlinstan haplogroup debates but I guess I was mistaken. I could swear there were a bunch of them that were about north Spain.

    There was one item that nobody had brought up when I posted that and I still have not seen anybody bring up. Spencer Wells was the guy who almost invented the ancient DNA industry. And a few years ago he was cancelled. I did not think much about this at the time, but he was cancelled exactly for posting on twitter about Israel Palestine. He was the ancient DNA guy at the National Geographic Society and a professor at U Texas and poof vanished.

    Probably a very very sore subject but his take on Ron Unz's article would be great. Apparently everybody is too worn out to appreciate that there might be some DNA intervals from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the Palestinian Arabs today and probably none in the Ashkenazi Jews. And all of the Ashkenazi DNA research is cooked. Or at the very least highly suspicious.

    Replies: @Mikel

  79. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...Ukrainians are masquerading as wild animals to run away across the border
     
    It is dangerous, uncomfortable and very risky. Imagine what the real opinions of the people are if so many are doing this...but we still have the Ukie die-hards quoting the official Kiev opinion surveys...

    When it collapses we will get the horror stories of fear and incompetence. And the corruption...but I doubt the Western media will be interested.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    When it collapses we will get the horror stories of fear and incompetence. And the corruption…but I doubt the Western media will be interested.

    When the Ukie project collapses, the Western governments and subservient MSM will never mention this disaster, because the West is guilty of creating it.

    However, Ukraine neighbors will be very much interested: Poland, Romania, and Hungary are already salivating over pieces of the corpse of Ukraine, which they confidently expect Russia to make ready for carving up.

    I suspect that only Hungary has a chance of getting something as a reward for its behavior. Putin can organize a referendum in parts of Transcarpathia populated by Hungarians: naturally, they will overwhelmingly vote for joining Hungary. He might do that just for the pleasure of seeing entertaining contortions of Western propaganda. I might be amused, but won’t be surprised: the West lost shame long ago, and its propaganda lost all connection to reality, feeding the sheeple with comrade Ogilvy-style stories for many years. E.g., NYT, WaPo, CNN, and their ilk weren’t caught telling the truth in the last ten years.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...referendum in parts of Transcarpathia populated by Hungarians: naturally, they will overwhelmingly vote for joining Hungary.
     
    It is a very complex issue. Transcarpathia as a whole can't join Hungary - it has a 80% Rusyn-Ukie majority. It wouldn't work, they are not going to learn the Magyar language, too hard. And splitting of just the Magyar majority areas would deprive Transcarpathia of its farming and make it even more of a remote joke-land.

    For the other options - Romania taking Bukovina and Poland Galicia, the resulting Ukie minority populations would not be worth it. So the most likely outcome is that all these regions stay within the rump-Ukraine but with local autonomy.

    If the morons in Kiev had any brains that's what they would had done 10 years ago and there would be no ethnic hatreds or the war. It was such an obvious solution to Ukraine's problems that the fact that it didn't happen says that there was a much more important goal: turn Ukraine into a fanatically anti-Russian nationalist state in Nato and use it as a permanent threat to Russia. It didn't work.

    Now they don't know what to do so they are stalling, changing personalities, dripping more money, and even more stupid lies. This will be fun...:)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AnonfromTN

    , @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN


    When the Ukie project collapses, the Western governments and subservient MSM will never mention this disaster, because the West is guilty of creating it.
     
    The advanced technology of the west is highly impressively though - they have developed 4-dimentional tech and managed to not only make all the western retards forget about the country......they have managed to erase even the Syrian civil war from being a time in history.Very impressive!

    I would guess Bashar Al-Assad has close to zero name recognition in the west now, even though he was probably one of the top 10 names in the world from 2010-14. At least Saddam and Kaddafi still have the name recognition. Iraq and Libya too.
    I could almost give sympathy for the head-cutting Syrian rebels....if only they had received the same absurd western PR campaign behind then as the drugaddict Ze and the rest of the Kvartal 95 freakshow in power, then at least they could be very rich.

    I suspect that only Hungary has a chance of getting something as a reward for its behavior. Putin can organize a referendum in parts of Transcarpathia populated by Hungarians: naturally, they will overwhelmingly vote for joining Hungary.
     
    I wouldn't reward Hungary/Orban. Well maybe for receiving the Sputnik Vaccine ( and informing everyone that its the Soviet legacy that is why they are comfortable with vaccines from this part of the world)......but everything else is just anti-Russian actions, but SANE anti-Russian actions compared to the others.

    The strange thing is that from all their contemporaries.........Orban is the one with by far the most anti-Soviet/anti-communist "credit"..........and Medvedchuk is by far the most Ukrainian nationalist (and not just from his father) background compared to all the other snakes trying to get power in 404.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    However, Ukraine neighbors will be very much interested: Poland, Romania, and Hungary are already salivating over pieces of the corpse of Ukraine, which they confidently expect Russia to make ready for carving up.
     
    Why not just be honest and admit that it's really you that's salivating over the prospect of Ukraine disappearing from the map, Professor Janissary? Born in Ukraine of a Ukrainian mother, along with your hatred of Shevchenko, there's no doubt about it, you're a classic Ukranophobe. I don't know who's really more despicable, you or kremlinstoogeA123? You both serve the interests of the "evil empire" as the last great American president Ronald Reagan named Russia.

    Why carve Ukraine up? Why not give it all to Russia?

    https://static.kyivpost.com/storage/2023/11/16/de7121d7e122c71726ce53da911dac00.jpg?w=1280&q=90&f=webp
    Are you still mailing in your ballot to Moscow, all the way from Nashville, Profesor?

  80. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    When it collapses we will get the horror stories of fear and incompetence. And the corruption…but I doubt the Western media will be interested.
     
    When the Ukie project collapses, the Western governments and subservient MSM will never mention this disaster, because the West is guilty of creating it.

    However, Ukraine neighbors will be very much interested: Poland, Romania, and Hungary are already salivating over pieces of the corpse of Ukraine, which they confidently expect Russia to make ready for carving up.

    I suspect that only Hungary has a chance of getting something as a reward for its behavior. Putin can organize a referendum in parts of Transcarpathia populated by Hungarians: naturally, they will overwhelmingly vote for joining Hungary. He might do that just for the pleasure of seeing entertaining contortions of Western propaganda. I might be amused, but won’t be surprised: the West lost shame long ago, and its propaganda lost all connection to reality, feeding the sheeple with comrade Ogilvy-style stories for many years. E.g., NYT, WaPo, CNN, and their ilk weren’t caught telling the truth in the last ten years.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Gerard1234, @Mr. Hack

    …referendum in parts of Transcarpathia populated by Hungarians: naturally, they will overwhelmingly vote for joining Hungary.

    It is a very complex issue. Transcarpathia as a whole can’t join Hungary – it has a 80% Rusyn-Ukie majority. It wouldn’t work, they are not going to learn the Magyar language, too hard. And splitting of just the Magyar majority areas would deprive Transcarpathia of its farming and make it even more of a remote joke-land.

    For the other options – Romania taking Bukovina and Poland Galicia, the resulting Ukie minority populations would not be worth it. So the most likely outcome is that all these regions stay within the rump-Ukraine but with local autonomy.

    If the morons in Kiev had any brains that’s what they would had done 10 years ago and there would be no ethnic hatreds or the war. It was such an obvious solution to Ukraine’s problems that the fact that it didn’t happen says that there was a much more important goal: turn Ukraine into a fanatically anti-Russian nationalist state in Nato and use it as a permanent threat to Russia. It didn’t work.

    Now they don’t know what to do so they are stalling, changing personalities, dripping more money, and even more stupid lies. This will be fun…:)

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    And splitting of just the Magyar majority areas would deprive Transcarpathia of its farming and make it even more of a remote joke-land.
     
    Hungary had no problem in depriving Slovakia of its farming areas in 1938-1945.

    If the morons in Kiev had any brains that’s what they would had done 10 years ago and there would be no ethnic hatreds or the war. It was such an obvious solution to Ukraine’s problems that the fact that it didn’t happen says that there was a much more important goal: turn Ukraine into a fanatically anti-Russian nationalist state in Nato and use it as a permanent threat to Russia. It didn’t work.
     
    FWIW, I'm neutral on the idea of a Ukrainian federal state, just so long as it's done on the US or German or Austrian model, but have you ever considered that a genuine Russian federal state (as opposed to a merely token federation) might also be a good idea for Russia? Federations are useful in the sense that they allow for greater local experimentation and thus allow successes from one part of the country to subsequently be adopted in other parts of the country.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    If the morons in Kiev had any brains that’s what they would had done 10 years ago and there would be no ethnic hatreds or the war.
     
    Ukrainian leaders and elites from 1991 on were mostly concerned with stealing as much as possible. They thought that primeval cavemen-level nationalism is the best fig leaf to cover their thievery because the populace is dumb enough to buy it. Basically, their choice was either to curb their thievery and have sane national and language policy or steal to their hearts content and ruin the country. They chose the second option. They thought that selling out to the empire would prevent the ruin. It did not.

    Replies: @Beckow

  81. So the E.U has just voted for an increase of energy costs to their farmers by approving a 55 billion euro gift to Ukraine.

    Its amazing how the citizens of the European Union haven’t dragged these traitors into the street and hung them?

    If I was Russia I would supply a few anti-ship missles to the Houthis with the strict undertaking that they’re to target E.U ships.

    Lets see how smug these E.U elites are when the cost for energy skyrockets and makes the 55 billion look like chump change!

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mr_Chow_Mein


    Its amazing how the citizens of the European Union haven’t dragged these traitors into the street and hung them?
     
    Some Europeans (not only German and French farmers, but many in Brussels) protest, but in a “democracy” all protesters are dealt with harshly, like yellow wests in France. Only in “dictatorships” the rulers are trying to do what the populace wants. That explains high Putin’s and Xi’s approval in their countries, as well as dismal approval ratings of “democratic” leaders (mostly pathetic figureheads, not all of whom have an excuse of Alzheimer’s).

    Judging by the evidence, Europe is kaput: the majority of Europeans are stupid enough to approve of Europe’s suicide. As far as Russia is concerned, it follows a sound policy “when you see your enemy committing suicide, do not interfere”.

    If I was Russia I would supply a few anti-ship missles to the Houthis
     
    Houthis are doing just fine as it is. The empire and imperial cocksuckers keep demonstrating their impotence. All Putin needs is popcorn.
  82. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...referendum in parts of Transcarpathia populated by Hungarians: naturally, they will overwhelmingly vote for joining Hungary.
     
    It is a very complex issue. Transcarpathia as a whole can't join Hungary - it has a 80% Rusyn-Ukie majority. It wouldn't work, they are not going to learn the Magyar language, too hard. And splitting of just the Magyar majority areas would deprive Transcarpathia of its farming and make it even more of a remote joke-land.

    For the other options - Romania taking Bukovina and Poland Galicia, the resulting Ukie minority populations would not be worth it. So the most likely outcome is that all these regions stay within the rump-Ukraine but with local autonomy.

    If the morons in Kiev had any brains that's what they would had done 10 years ago and there would be no ethnic hatreds or the war. It was such an obvious solution to Ukraine's problems that the fact that it didn't happen says that there was a much more important goal: turn Ukraine into a fanatically anti-Russian nationalist state in Nato and use it as a permanent threat to Russia. It didn't work.

    Now they don't know what to do so they are stalling, changing personalities, dripping more money, and even more stupid lies. This will be fun...:)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AnonfromTN

    And splitting of just the Magyar majority areas would deprive Transcarpathia of its farming and make it even more of a remote joke-land.

    Hungary had no problem in depriving Slovakia of its farming areas in 1938-1945.

    If the morons in Kiev had any brains that’s what they would had done 10 years ago and there would be no ethnic hatreds or the war. It was such an obvious solution to Ukraine’s problems that the fact that it didn’t happen says that there was a much more important goal: turn Ukraine into a fanatically anti-Russian nationalist state in Nato and use it as a permanent threat to Russia. It didn’t work.

    FWIW, I’m neutral on the idea of a Ukrainian federal state, just so long as it’s done on the US or German or Austrian model, but have you ever considered that a genuine Russian federal state (as opposed to a merely token federation) might also be a good idea for Russia? Federations are useful in the sense that they allow for greater local experimentation and thus allow successes from one part of the country to subsequently be adopted in other parts of the country.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Hungary had no problem in depriving Slovakia of its farming areas in 1938-1945.
     
    A lot of it, but it wasn't the same. We have a lot of fertile river valleys...

    Russian federal state (as opposed to a merely token federation) might also be a good idea for Russia?
     
    Tatarstan, Chechnya and other federal states are definitely not token. The Russian majority states are less federal than they could be - it is justified by the danger of foreign meddling and resulting disintegration. If the West wants the German-Austrian model they will have to pull back on the massive and open interference in the domestic affairs of Russia. (I know that is hard, all the f...ing resources, too tempting.)

    Russia is not sponsoring an open rebellion and separatism in Burgenland, Bavaria or Hawaii by buying politicians there. But the West insists on the right and duty to do so inside Russia - the weaker Russian federal model is a natural consequence. Actions tend to have counter-reactions.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AnonfromTN

  83. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...German national interest is a massive neo-Russian Empire to their East?
     
    German national interest is to have peace and prosperity - not to be dominated by one side or the other, but trade with all. All of the Central Europe has that national interest - but for the smaller states, there is also the danger of being dominated by Germany.

    Look at the situation on the ground: there is no "neo-Russian" empire and there can never be - it is not economically and culturally possible, the demographics are not there. But we are already dominated by the remote Anglo Empire: pushing us into a war we don't need, impoverishing us with cutting of trade and forced military spending, bringing in Third Worlders to make us more compliant and more like "them"...

    Our national interest is in fighting realistic dangers. You make up scary monsters to be able to act as a monster. An old tactic and one that always eventually backfires. See the absolute f...ing disaster in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP, @LondonBob

    Just how many Third Worlders have showed up in Slovakia?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ

    Around 5k have stayed. Czechia has more than 100k. We are still among the most manageable countries.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  84. @AP
    @Derer

    German national interest is a massive neo-Russian Empire to their East?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    Germany tried that approach back in the late 1800s with the Three Emperors’ League. But it subsequently collapsed, twice, and then Russia allied with France and thus made Germany paranoid, which subsequently helped create the political climate for WWI breaking out in 1914.

  85. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    Am a looking foreword to most cookies being eliminated, which I expect later this year.
     
    How and why? Who's behind this?

    am sure they have a bigger file on me than a group like the Stazi could ever imagine.
     
    Are you serious? Will I be tainted by association? :-)

    Replies: @songbird

    How and why? Who’s behind this?

    What I heard is that Apple already dealt with the problem on the I-phone. They cited privacy concerns of users.

    Google is supposed to be following suit, later this year. Possibly it has something to do with eliminating their competition, in terms of paid clicks for ads. It will be in an update to Chrome. Don’t use it myself, but most browsers are based on Chrome, with Mozilla being the main exception.

    But I certainly welcome it, as cookies have become really obnoxious, with virtually every site, including government ones, having cookies.

    Are you serious? Will I be tainted by association? 🙂

    My view of it is essentially this: intelligence services have massive budgets – more money than you or I could even conceive of. And they spend that money and greedily grab and keep all the information they can on everyone, and it is really easy too as they are embedded in all the big tech companies. Digital doesn’t have the man-power limitations that the Stazi had, so the files are bigger. If they have the interest in you to open them.

    I read Snowden’s book, and he said they were trading candid pics of girls.

  86. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...referendum in parts of Transcarpathia populated by Hungarians: naturally, they will overwhelmingly vote for joining Hungary.
     
    It is a very complex issue. Transcarpathia as a whole can't join Hungary - it has a 80% Rusyn-Ukie majority. It wouldn't work, they are not going to learn the Magyar language, too hard. And splitting of just the Magyar majority areas would deprive Transcarpathia of its farming and make it even more of a remote joke-land.

    For the other options - Romania taking Bukovina and Poland Galicia, the resulting Ukie minority populations would not be worth it. So the most likely outcome is that all these regions stay within the rump-Ukraine but with local autonomy.

    If the morons in Kiev had any brains that's what they would had done 10 years ago and there would be no ethnic hatreds or the war. It was such an obvious solution to Ukraine's problems that the fact that it didn't happen says that there was a much more important goal: turn Ukraine into a fanatically anti-Russian nationalist state in Nato and use it as a permanent threat to Russia. It didn't work.

    Now they don't know what to do so they are stalling, changing personalities, dripping more money, and even more stupid lies. This will be fun...:)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AnonfromTN

    If the morons in Kiev had any brains that’s what they would had done 10 years ago and there would be no ethnic hatreds or the war.

    Ukrainian leaders and elites from 1991 on were mostly concerned with stealing as much as possible. They thought that primeval cavemen-level nationalism is the best fig leaf to cover their thievery because the populace is dumb enough to buy it. Basically, their choice was either to curb their thievery and have sane national and language policy or steal to their hearts content and ruin the country. They chose the second option. They thought that selling out to the empire would prevent the ruin. It did not.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    To summarize: thieves were fooling the generally dumb population and at the end went for the full sell-out. Yeah, there is no way the evolution was going to allow that...

    It happened before to some nations, e.g. native Americans were treated with the same approach - it just took a lot longer and many resisted. Ukies are unique in their total devotion to the "Anglos" and a thievery seldom seen on that scale...but the shiny trinkets were the same.

  87. @AP
    @songbird

    We grill a lot of salmon but have never noticed worms coming out. Maybe it’s a problem mostly with Pacific salmon?

    Replies: @songbird

    We grill a lot of salmon but have never noticed worms coming out. Maybe it’s a problem mostly with Pacific salmon?

    Strongly suspect that it wouldn’t be as big of an issue in farmed fish. The fish meal shouldn’t contain the larvae.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anisakis
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anisakis#Anisakiasis

    have read that many large ocean fish have worms. This is a reason why tuna and salmon for sushi are often frozen to kill these parasites.

    Apparently, they can induce anaphylaxis in some people.

    Also, some can infect people. You’d think the evolutionary split between marine mammals and humans would be big enough for some margin of safety. Would guess it is not necessarily easy, but it certainly does happen – the guts are similar enough.

    And, IMO, last thing you want to do is consume some worms that infect some other species – sometimes they get confused when they get inside you and migrate to really bad places. At least, I know that happens with some terrestrial worms.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @songbird

    Parasitic worms are so gross they even get their own TV shows!

    Salmon farming has problems with parasites. I don't know if any of them cross over to humans.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @AP
    @songbird


    Strongly suspect that it wouldn’t be as big of an issue in farmed fish. The fish meal shouldn’t contain the larvae.

     

    We grill Atlantic salmon from fish farms. We buy from Wholefoods, presumably they have some sort of quality control with their fish. Never noticed worms.

    This discussion prompted me to look it up. It does, indeed, seem to be safe:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7844585/

    " Despite the massive production of data in literature on parasitological surveys carried out on fresh salmon, no data are published on processed farmed salmon such as smoked products. In 2016, 270 slices of smoked farmed Atlantic salmon (Salmo salar) and 13 smoked slices from wild sockeye salmon (Oncorhynchus nerka) have been analyzed by visual inspection and UV-press method searching for the presence of anisakid nematodes. No parasites were detected in samples from farmed Atlantic salmon, while 10 out of 13 from wild salmon were positive for Anisakis simplex s.s. larvae."

    Replies: @John Johnson

  88. @Mr_Chow_Mein
    So the E.U has just voted for an increase of energy costs to their farmers by approving a 55 billion euro gift to Ukraine.

    Its amazing how the citizens of the European Union haven't dragged these traitors into the street and hung them?

    If I was Russia I would supply a few anti-ship missles to the Houthis with the strict undertaking that they're to target E.U ships.

    Lets see how smug these E.U elites are when the cost for energy skyrockets and makes the 55 billion look like chump change!

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Its amazing how the citizens of the European Union haven’t dragged these traitors into the street and hung them?

    Some Europeans (not only German and French farmers, but many in Brussels) protest, but in a “democracy” all protesters are dealt with harshly, like yellow wests in France. Only in “dictatorships” the rulers are trying to do what the populace wants. That explains high Putin’s and Xi’s approval in their countries, as well as dismal approval ratings of “democratic” leaders (mostly pathetic figureheads, not all of whom have an excuse of Alzheimer’s).

    Judging by the evidence, Europe is kaput: the majority of Europeans are stupid enough to approve of Europe’s suicide. As far as Russia is concerned, it follows a sound policy “when you see your enemy committing suicide, do not interfere”.

    If I was Russia I would supply a few anti-ship missles to the Houthis

    Houthis are doing just fine as it is. The empire and imperial cocksuckers keep demonstrating their impotence. All Putin needs is popcorn.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  89. Someone I know went to the bank today to make a deposit. They had a few coins in their pocket, they tried to get rid of. And the teller told them that they don’t accept unrolled coins. It was <$1.

    I get that the dollar is totally worthless now, with inflation. And there might be some convenience argument about it affecting other people's time, who are waiting in line.

    But I am inclined to say that all bankers should be exiled to the Congo and usury banned once again.

  90. GLORIUS VIDEO OF UKRAINE ATTACK DRONES HITTING A CORVETTE
    https://funker530.com/video/ukrainian-sof-titanics-russian-ivanovets-corvette/

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I think this clip suits the situation, go to 1:03:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tktoOXBmflI

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    Many very young Ukrainian civilians are parlaying their considerable gaming skills into real life military resources. In addition, the Ukrainian military is training 10,000's of drone operators in batches too. While the military waits for larger shipments of big ticket items to arrive, drone manufacturing, or actually drone reconfiguring, proceeds at an exponential rate. Off the wall small commercial drones are tinkered with in order to create deadly weapons that can even take down Russian tanks and trucks. A whole new uniquely Ukrainian cottage industry has emerged within Ukraine where everybody has a vested interest in keeping the country free and safe of the dreaded "orcs":

    https://youtu.be/Sxyu94x0SLw

    Replies: @John Johnson

  91. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    And splitting of just the Magyar majority areas would deprive Transcarpathia of its farming and make it even more of a remote joke-land.
     
    Hungary had no problem in depriving Slovakia of its farming areas in 1938-1945.

    If the morons in Kiev had any brains that’s what they would had done 10 years ago and there would be no ethnic hatreds or the war. It was such an obvious solution to Ukraine’s problems that the fact that it didn’t happen says that there was a much more important goal: turn Ukraine into a fanatically anti-Russian nationalist state in Nato and use it as a permanent threat to Russia. It didn’t work.
     
    FWIW, I'm neutral on the idea of a Ukrainian federal state, just so long as it's done on the US or German or Austrian model, but have you ever considered that a genuine Russian federal state (as opposed to a merely token federation) might also be a good idea for Russia? Federations are useful in the sense that they allow for greater local experimentation and thus allow successes from one part of the country to subsequently be adopted in other parts of the country.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Hungary had no problem in depriving Slovakia of its farming areas in 1938-1945.

    A lot of it, but it wasn’t the same. We have a lot of fertile river valleys…

    Russian federal state (as opposed to a merely token federation) might also be a good idea for Russia?

    Tatarstan, Chechnya and other federal states are definitely not token. The Russian majority states are less federal than they could be – it is justified by the danger of foreign meddling and resulting disintegration. If the West wants the German-Austrian model they will have to pull back on the massive and open interference in the domestic affairs of Russia. (I know that is hard, all the f…ing resources, too tempting.)

    Russia is not sponsoring an open rebellion and separatism in Burgenland, Bavaria or Hawaii by buying politicians there. But the West insists on the right and duty to do so inside Russia – the weaker Russian federal model is a natural consequence. Actions tend to have counter-reactions.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    We have a lot of fertile river valleys…

     

    Up north?

    Tatarstan, Chechnya and other federal states are definitely not token. The Russian majority states are less federal than they could be – it is justified by the danger of foreign meddling and resulting disintegration. If the West wants the German-Austrian model they will have to pull back on the massive and open interference in the domestic affairs of Russia. I know, that is hard, all the f…ing resources, too tempting.

    Russia is not sponsoring an open rebellion and separatism in Burgenland, Bavaria or Hawaii by buying politicians there. But the West insists on the right and duty to do so inside Russia – the weaker Russian federal model is a natural consequence. Actions tend to have counter-reactions.
     
    I don't think that the West is particularly eager for Russia's disintegration, or at least wasn't prior to 2022.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    Actions tend to have counter-reactions.
     
    Newton’s third law: for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. But, that’s the reality. As we all know, the reality is politically incorrect. Just ask any libtard.
  92. Trump spent more than $50 million in political donations on legal bills:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-spent-more-than-50m-of-his-pac-and-super-pac-money-on-legal-bills-in-2023/ar-BB1hAcDT

    What kind of sucker donates to a billionaire?

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @John Johnson

    I get your point but I'd like to reframe your question.

    What kind of sucker donates to a politician?

    Replies: @songbird, @John Johnson

  93. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Hungary had no problem in depriving Slovakia of its farming areas in 1938-1945.
     
    A lot of it, but it wasn't the same. We have a lot of fertile river valleys...

    Russian federal state (as opposed to a merely token federation) might also be a good idea for Russia?
     
    Tatarstan, Chechnya and other federal states are definitely not token. The Russian majority states are less federal than they could be - it is justified by the danger of foreign meddling and resulting disintegration. If the West wants the German-Austrian model they will have to pull back on the massive and open interference in the domestic affairs of Russia. (I know that is hard, all the f...ing resources, too tempting.)

    Russia is not sponsoring an open rebellion and separatism in Burgenland, Bavaria or Hawaii by buying politicians there. But the West insists on the right and duty to do so inside Russia - the weaker Russian federal model is a natural consequence. Actions tend to have counter-reactions.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AnonfromTN

    We have a lot of fertile river valleys…

    Up north?

    Tatarstan, Chechnya and other federal states are definitely not token. The Russian majority states are less federal than they could be – it is justified by the danger of foreign meddling and resulting disintegration. If the West wants the German-Austrian model they will have to pull back on the massive and open interference in the domestic affairs of Russia. I know, that is hard, all the f…ing resources, too tempting.

    Russia is not sponsoring an open rebellion and separatism in Burgenland, Bavaria or Hawaii by buying politicians there. But the West insists on the right and duty to do so inside Russia – the weaker Russian federal model is a natural consequence. Actions tend to have counter-reactions.

    I don’t think that the West is particularly eager for Russia’s disintegration, or at least wasn’t prior to 2022.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...the West is particularly eager for Russia’s disintegration, or at least wasn’t prior to 2022.
     
    The West is not monolithic and powerful parts of the elite would like to see Russia's breakup. Check out the neo-con and neo-libs - they talk about it openly, and did before 2022.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  94. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Just how many Third Worlders have showed up in Slovakia?

    Replies: @Beckow

    Around 5k have stayed. Czechia has more than 100k. We are still among the most manageable countries.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Aren't most Third Worlders in Czechia Vietnamese, though? That makes them very manageable.

    Replies: @Beckow

  95. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Hungary had no problem in depriving Slovakia of its farming areas in 1938-1945.
     
    A lot of it, but it wasn't the same. We have a lot of fertile river valleys...

    Russian federal state (as opposed to a merely token federation) might also be a good idea for Russia?
     
    Tatarstan, Chechnya and other federal states are definitely not token. The Russian majority states are less federal than they could be - it is justified by the danger of foreign meddling and resulting disintegration. If the West wants the German-Austrian model they will have to pull back on the massive and open interference in the domestic affairs of Russia. (I know that is hard, all the f...ing resources, too tempting.)

    Russia is not sponsoring an open rebellion and separatism in Burgenland, Bavaria or Hawaii by buying politicians there. But the West insists on the right and duty to do so inside Russia - the weaker Russian federal model is a natural consequence. Actions tend to have counter-reactions.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AnonfromTN

    Actions tend to have counter-reactions.

    Newton’s third law: for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. But, that’s the reality. As we all know, the reality is politically incorrect. Just ask any libtard.

  96. AP, I have a question for you: Had Russia avoided going Bolshevik in 1917, do you think that there would be any chance of large numbers of people who would have been prevented from moving to the US by the US’s 1920s immigration quotas moving to Russia instead? Or would this have mostly not been feasible since Russia was likely much poorer than the US and Western Europe were back then?

    GNP per capita in Europe between 1880-1938 [750×3250][OC]
    byu/clovak inMapPorn

    Interestingly enough, Crimea had some Italian immigration in Tsarist times:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italians_of_Crimea

    And Volhynia had some Czech immigration in Tsarist times:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechs_in_Ukraine

    Not too much; just several tens of thousands of Italians and Czechs in total. Barely a ripple compared to the numbers of Italians and Czechs who moved to, say, the US during this time.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    I have a question for you: Had Russia avoided going Bolshevik in 1917, do you think that there would be any chance of large numbers of people who would have been prevented from moving to the US by the US’s 1920s immigration quotas moving to Russia instead?

    I suspect the real problem is that too many entrepreneurial minded Russians simply moved to Russian speaking areas in free countries. In fact that would help explain the success of the Baltics despite them having few resources. They were eventually gulped by the USSR but there would have been enough time for a generation of immigrants to spread their genes.

    The Communists were really stupid during the Lenin years since it was the peak of blank slate. That was when the Russians still believed they were going to create a generation of geniuses that would surpass the West in all areas. Ironically they would have been better off accepting the reality of genetics for the benefit of Communism. But they tried believing in blank slate fairy tales up through the 30s. The New Man crackpipe was too hard to put down.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  97. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ

    Around 5k have stayed. Czechia has more than 100k. We are still among the most manageable countries.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Aren’t most Third Worlders in Czechia Vietnamese, though? That makes them very manageable.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Aren’t most Third Worlders in Czechia Vietnamese?
     
    About half and many are fully integrated, speak the language and can hardly be distinguished. It is not a problem, there are a few thousand recent migrants roaming around Prague but almost all want to move further West. It is not a hospitable environment.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  98. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    If the morons in Kiev had any brains that’s what they would had done 10 years ago and there would be no ethnic hatreds or the war.
     
    Ukrainian leaders and elites from 1991 on were mostly concerned with stealing as much as possible. They thought that primeval cavemen-level nationalism is the best fig leaf to cover their thievery because the populace is dumb enough to buy it. Basically, their choice was either to curb their thievery and have sane national and language policy or steal to their hearts content and ruin the country. They chose the second option. They thought that selling out to the empire would prevent the ruin. It did not.

    Replies: @Beckow

    To summarize: thieves were fooling the generally dumb population and at the end went for the full sell-out. Yeah, there is no way the evolution was going to allow that…

    It happened before to some nations, e.g. native Americans were treated with the same approach – it just took a lot longer and many resisted. Ukies are unique in their total devotion to the “Anglos” and a thievery seldom seen on that scale…but the shiny trinkets were the same.

  99. @songbird
    @AP


    We grill a lot of salmon but have never noticed worms coming out. Maybe it’s a problem mostly with Pacific salmon?

     

    Strongly suspect that it wouldn't be as big of an issue in farmed fish. The fish meal shouldn't contain the larvae.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anisakis
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anisakis#Anisakiasis

    @QCIC

    have read that many large ocean fish have worms. This is a reason why tuna and salmon for sushi are often frozen to kill these parasites.
     
    Apparently, they can induce anaphylaxis in some people.

    Also, some can infect people. You'd think the evolutionary split between marine mammals and humans would be big enough for some margin of safety. Would guess it is not necessarily easy, but it certainly does happen - the guts are similar enough.

    And, IMO, last thing you want to do is consume some worms that infect some other species - sometimes they get confused when they get inside you and migrate to really bad places. At least, I know that happens with some terrestrial worms.

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

    Parasitic worms are so gross they even get their own TV shows!

    Salmon farming has problems with parasites. I don’t know if any of them cross over to humans.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @QCIC


    Salmon farming has problems with parasites.
     
    the crowded conditions cause a host of problems, including sea lice (for which they use pesticides) and many unicellular organisms such as protozoa.

    But worms generally need to circulate through more than one species in their life cycles. Eliminate one in the environment and you eliminate the worms.

    Technically, farmed fish can have worms. (Maybe some stuff gets through the net?). But I suspect that they would employ antiworm medicine in the feed, in cases where it might be a significant problem.

    Antiworm medicine was actually derived from soil fungi that ensnare and eat worms. Selling it to pet owners has really paid off, but ostensibly it was developed to treat people in the Third World, even though there seemed no profit in it.

    Not a bad article:
    https://www.vice.com/en/article/d755kx/almost-every-kind-of-wild-fish-is-infected-with-worms

    Replies: @John Johnson

  100. @John Johnson
    GLORIUS VIDEO OF UKRAINE ATTACK DRONES HITTING A CORVETTE
    https://funker530.com/video/ukrainian-sof-titanics-russian-ivanovets-corvette/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txFC-hDDYdY

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack

    I think this clip suits the situation, go to 1:03:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Still the best Keanu Reeves movie.

    I didn't even make it through the matrix. Too corny.

  101. The full replay for the 24 Hours of Daytona is available

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    The full replay for the 24 Hours of Daytona is available

    Thanks but I fall asleep just fine.

  102. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I think this clip suits the situation, go to 1:03:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tktoOXBmflI

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Still the best Keanu Reeves movie.

    I didn’t even make it through the matrix. Too corny.

  103. @Mr. XYZ
    AP, I have a question for you: Had Russia avoided going Bolshevik in 1917, do you think that there would be any chance of large numbers of people who would have been prevented from moving to the US by the US's 1920s immigration quotas moving to Russia instead? Or would this have mostly not been feasible since Russia was likely much poorer than the US and Western Europe were back then?

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/3bvhvf/gnp_per_capita_in_europe_between_18801938/

    Interestingly enough, Crimea had some Italian immigration in Tsarist times:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italians_of_Crimea

    And Volhynia had some Czech immigration in Tsarist times:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechs_in_Ukraine

    Not too much; just several tens of thousands of Italians and Czechs in total. Barely a ripple compared to the numbers of Italians and Czechs who moved to, say, the US during this time.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I have a question for you: Had Russia avoided going Bolshevik in 1917, do you think that there would be any chance of large numbers of people who would have been prevented from moving to the US by the US’s 1920s immigration quotas moving to Russia instead?

    I suspect the real problem is that too many entrepreneurial minded Russians simply moved to Russian speaking areas in free countries. In fact that would help explain the success of the Baltics despite them having few resources. They were eventually gulped by the USSR but there would have been enough time for a generation of immigrants to spread their genes.

    The Communists were really stupid during the Lenin years since it was the peak of blank slate. That was when the Russians still believed they were going to create a generation of geniuses that would surpass the West in all areas. Ironically they would have been better off accepting the reality of genetics for the benefit of Communism. But they tried believing in blank slate fairy tales up through the 30s. The New Man crackpipe was too hard to put down.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    AFAIK, the Russians in the Baltic countries have generally moved there when these countries were under Russian rule (either Tsarist rule or Communist rule), not when the Baltics were free. I don't think that the free Baltic countries were very eager to accept large numbers of Russian immigrants for fear of a Russian demographic tsunami overwhelming their own countries and their relatively small populations.

    The Communists were utter morons in driving out a lot of Russia's cognitive elite during the Russian Civil War through their brutality, tyranny, and rhetoric. This in itself made it harder for Russia to recover, even aside from all of the Communist lunacy that they subsequently imposed upon Russia. And the Left SRs were utter morons, first in supporting the Bolsheviks and then in rebelling against the Bolsheviks and thus giving the Bolsheviks an excuse to outlaw and suppress them, thus creating a one-party state in Russia that lasted for over seven decades.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  104. @AnonfromTN
    In Vinnitsa region Ukrainians are masquerading as wild animals to run away across the border:
    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/111464

    Ukraine must be real heaven on Earth and its residents must be fiery patriots for this to happen.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP, @Derer

    Is this like no new metro stations built in Kiev since 1991?

  105. @A123
    The full replay for the 24 Hours of Daytona is available

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cZnakLKglbw

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The full replay for the 24 Hours of Daytona is available

    Thanks but I fall asleep just fine.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • LOL: AP
  106. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...German national interest is a massive neo-Russian Empire to their East?
     
    German national interest is to have peace and prosperity - not to be dominated by one side or the other, but trade with all. All of the Central Europe has that national interest - but for the smaller states, there is also the danger of being dominated by Germany.

    Look at the situation on the ground: there is no "neo-Russian" empire and there can never be - it is not economically and culturally possible, the demographics are not there. But we are already dominated by the remote Anglo Empire: pushing us into a war we don't need, impoverishing us with cutting of trade and forced military spending, bringing in Third Worlders to make us more compliant and more like "them"...

    Our national interest is in fighting realistic dangers. You make up scary monsters to be able to act as a monster. An old tactic and one that always eventually backfires. See the absolute f...ing disaster in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP, @LondonBob

    German national interest is to have peace and prosperity

    And Russia was being peaceful by invading Ukraine and starting the largest war in Europe since World War II? You’ll argue that it was “preventative”, like the Iraq war, so that makes it okay.

    If Russia takes Ukraine (very doubtful), high chance (30% at least) that the Baltics are next. Best way to limit war is to stop Russia in Ukraine.

    All of the Central Europe has that national interest – but for the smaller states, there is also the danger of being dominated by Germany.

    Adding Ukraine to Central Europe and using UK/USA as leverage or a balance, limits German domination over Central Europe. Pilsudski was right.

    Look at the situation on the ground: there is no “neo-Russian” empire

    Are you too dumb to understand that a neo-Russian Empire is what Putin is attempting to build by taking Ukraine? Yes, right now there is no neo-Russian Empire. And it is in Germany’s (and Central Europe’s) interest to prevent one from forming.

    and there can never be – it is not economically and culturally possible, the demographics are not there

    The Russian Empire included Central Asia, you know. It is a Eurasian Empire. Central Asian demographics are fine. Though Putin is bringing in Africans too now. The first stage would be Ukraine and Belarus, then the Baltics. Then, who knows? Trying to take the Baltics would mean a Polish war, these things spread.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Adding Ukraine to Central Europe and using UK/USA as leverage or a balance, limits German domination over Central Europe. Pilsudski was right.

     

    You're right about that. Poland + Czechia + Ukraine + Romania combined have slightly over 100 million people. You can also add the Baltic countries and now Finland into the mix as well. Unfortunately, Slovakia and Hungary are too unreliable nowadays. But that's their problem.
    , @Beckow
    @AP

    "Leverage to balance" is control by the Anglos - at least pretend to a neutral language.

    "Geographic spread of the Neo-Russian Empire" - let's see:
    - Crimea and Donbas are Russian ethnically and it was a mistake to attach them to Ukraine. After Maidan Kiev mishandled and lost them - you don't get to ban people's language, schools and tell Russians living there they have to join Nato - military alliance that exists to fight Russia. It was stupid and it backfired.

    - Rest of Ukraine: Russia wants to prevent any danger from there - they are creating a wide buffer zone. Is that fair? Not really, but if Kiev would act rationally it would not be happening. Kiev bombed civilians in a stronger country on behalf of the Anglos. So Russia will clobber them - US does that too...

    - 80% of people in Belarus declare Russian as their native language - they have lived together for 1,000 years, same religion, mentality. Why is that an "empire"?

    - Baltic mini-states have 25-30% Russian minorities who have lived there for generations. If the Balts simply treated them like equal citizens with normal Euro rights there would be no problems. If they don't there will be - but how is that an "empire"? When France asked for Quebec to allow French equality was that an "empire"? Get a hold of your crazy exaggerations.

    Poland? Nobody will touch them with a ten-foot pole, why would anyone care? The only danger to Poland is to be the ground zero of the potential nuke exchange. It was extremely unlikely before, now it is 15-20% chance. And obviously Poland would be the primary target - it is of no real interest to either side (Poles? do you actually think anyone in the West would care?) and shouting loud to volunteer. Not a smart policy.


    Russian Empire included Central Asia...It is a Eurasian Empire.
     
    So? What's wrong with Central Asia? Are they any worse than the Third World masses crowding into US and Europe? You racism is sickening. Those nations have lived around each other for hundreds of years, why your obsessive hatred? Russia is a Euroasian country and has been for 400 years - a lot longer than US. And they didn't exterminate the natives, is that what bothers you? This is getting really bizarre - the failed imperial dream ("Poland-Galicia...") combined with some really ugly Nazi-like shallow racism. You should worry instead about Mestizos beating up your cops and Nigerians robbing you blind.

    Replies: @AP

  107. @QCIC
    @songbird

    Parasitic worms are so gross they even get their own TV shows!

    Salmon farming has problems with parasites. I don't know if any of them cross over to humans.

    Replies: @songbird

    Salmon farming has problems with parasites.

    the crowded conditions cause a host of problems, including sea lice (for which they use pesticides) and many unicellular organisms such as protozoa.

    But worms generally need to circulate through more than one species in their life cycles. Eliminate one in the environment and you eliminate the worms.

    Technically, farmed fish can have worms. (Maybe some stuff gets through the net?). But I suspect that they would employ antiworm medicine in the feed, in cases where it might be a significant problem.

    Antiworm medicine was actually derived from soil fungi that ensnare and eat worms. Selling it to pet owners has really paid off, but ostensibly it was developed to treat people in the Third World, even though there seemed no profit in it.

    Not a bad article:
    https://www.vice.com/en/article/d755kx/almost-every-kind-of-wild-fish-is-infected-with-worms

    • Thanks: QCIC
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @songbird

    Technically, farmed fish can have worms. (Maybe some stuff gets through the net?). But I suspect that they would employ antiworm medicine in the feed, in cases where it might be a significant problem.

    They really don't give an F and farmed salmon are more likely to have lice and parasites. Farmed salmon is pretty awful for a lot of reasons. Don't eat it.

    Some fish like lingcod normally has worms. There is no regulation against it. Most people don't know and simply eat it.

    Getting some type of parasite from fish is extremely rare and you would need to eat it raw. Sushi is supposed to be frozen first and then thawed.

    I honestly wouldn't eat raw Sushi in the US. You have to trust that that fish was prepared properly and that the employees followed the rules.

    Replies: @songbird

  108. @songbird
    @AP


    We grill a lot of salmon but have never noticed worms coming out. Maybe it’s a problem mostly with Pacific salmon?

     

    Strongly suspect that it wouldn't be as big of an issue in farmed fish. The fish meal shouldn't contain the larvae.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anisakis
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anisakis#Anisakiasis

    @QCIC

    have read that many large ocean fish have worms. This is a reason why tuna and salmon for sushi are often frozen to kill these parasites.
     
    Apparently, they can induce anaphylaxis in some people.

    Also, some can infect people. You'd think the evolutionary split between marine mammals and humans would be big enough for some margin of safety. Would guess it is not necessarily easy, but it certainly does happen - the guts are similar enough.

    And, IMO, last thing you want to do is consume some worms that infect some other species - sometimes they get confused when they get inside you and migrate to really bad places. At least, I know that happens with some terrestrial worms.

    Replies: @QCIC, @AP

    Strongly suspect that it wouldn’t be as big of an issue in farmed fish. The fish meal shouldn’t contain the larvae.

    We grill Atlantic salmon from fish farms. We buy from Wholefoods, presumably they have some sort of quality control with their fish. Never noticed worms.

    This discussion prompted me to look it up. It does, indeed, seem to be safe:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7844585/

    ” Despite the massive production of data in literature on parasitological surveys carried out on fresh salmon, no data are published on processed farmed salmon such as smoked products. In 2016, 270 slices of smoked farmed Atlantic salmon (Salmo salar) and 13 smoked slices from wild sockeye salmon (Oncorhynchus nerka) have been analyzed by visual inspection and UV-press method searching for the presence of anisakid nematodes. No parasites were detected in samples from farmed Atlantic salmon, while 10 out of 13 from wild salmon were positive for Anisakis simplex s.s. larvae.”

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @AP

    We grill Atlantic salmon from fish farms. We buy from Wholefoods, presumably they have some sort of quality control with their fish. Never noticed worms.

    You've eaten them many times.

    The worms are hard to spot once the fish has been frozen.

    This discussion prompted me to look it up. It does, indeed, seem to be safe:

    I wouldn't be worried about the worms.

    I would be more worried about the chemicals they dump on the salmon. Also the PCBs from feeding them trash fish.

    Replies: @AP

  109. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Aren't most Third Worlders in Czechia Vietnamese, though? That makes them very manageable.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Aren’t most Third Worlders in Czechia Vietnamese?

    About half and many are fully integrated, speak the language and can hardly be distinguished. It is not a problem, there are a few thousand recent migrants roaming around Prague but almost all want to move further West. It is not a hospitable environment.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Do Czech Roma also want to move further west? It seems like from an Eastern European nationalist perspective, it would be desirable to encourage as many of their Roma as possible to move to Western Europe. The Roma get a better life that way and possibly get to experience less prejudice and discrimination that way while Eastern Europe peacefully reduces the size of its main underclass minority. And the Roma would still get to keep their Eastern European citizenships, obviously, so they could always come back home if necessary, such as if Western Europe will ever become a total dump.

    Replies: @Beckow, @YetAnotherAnon

  110. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    We have a lot of fertile river valleys…

     

    Up north?

    Tatarstan, Chechnya and other federal states are definitely not token. The Russian majority states are less federal than they could be – it is justified by the danger of foreign meddling and resulting disintegration. If the West wants the German-Austrian model they will have to pull back on the massive and open interference in the domestic affairs of Russia. I know, that is hard, all the f…ing resources, too tempting.

    Russia is not sponsoring an open rebellion and separatism in Burgenland, Bavaria or Hawaii by buying politicians there. But the West insists on the right and duty to do so inside Russia – the weaker Russian federal model is a natural consequence. Actions tend to have counter-reactions.
     
    I don't think that the West is particularly eager for Russia's disintegration, or at least wasn't prior to 2022.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …the West is particularly eager for Russia’s disintegration, or at least wasn’t prior to 2022.

    The West is not monolithic and powerful parts of the elite would like to see Russia’s breakup. Check out the neo-con and neo-libs – they talk about it openly, and did before 2022.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    The West is not monolithic and powerful parts of the elite would like to see Russia’s breakup. Check out the neo-con and neo-libs – they talk about it openly, and did before 2022.

    I haven't seen such talk. Who are these neocons? Provide some sources.

    What would a proposed breakup of Russian even look like? Breaking off Siberia and Chechnya? A couple more Stans? It really wouldn't change anything economically for the West. The base of Russian power is in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Most of the country is a wildlife preserve. You could break off the Eastern 2/3 and the cities wouldn't notice.

    Putin has been raiding Eastern the minority oblasts for conscripts and they aren't doing a damn thing about it.

    Russia's Asians are completely subservient to the emperor.

    It's pathetic.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

  111. @songbird
    @QCIC


    Salmon farming has problems with parasites.
     
    the crowded conditions cause a host of problems, including sea lice (for which they use pesticides) and many unicellular organisms such as protozoa.

    But worms generally need to circulate through more than one species in their life cycles. Eliminate one in the environment and you eliminate the worms.

    Technically, farmed fish can have worms. (Maybe some stuff gets through the net?). But I suspect that they would employ antiworm medicine in the feed, in cases where it might be a significant problem.

    Antiworm medicine was actually derived from soil fungi that ensnare and eat worms. Selling it to pet owners has really paid off, but ostensibly it was developed to treat people in the Third World, even though there seemed no profit in it.

    Not a bad article:
    https://www.vice.com/en/article/d755kx/almost-every-kind-of-wild-fish-is-infected-with-worms

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Technically, farmed fish can have worms. (Maybe some stuff gets through the net?). But I suspect that they would employ antiworm medicine in the feed, in cases where it might be a significant problem.

    They really don’t give an F and farmed salmon are more likely to have lice and parasites. Farmed salmon is pretty awful for a lot of reasons. Don’t eat it.

    Some fish like lingcod normally has worms. There is no regulation against it. Most people don’t know and simply eat it.

    Getting some type of parasite from fish is extremely rare and you would need to eat it raw. Sushi is supposed to be frozen first and then thawed.

    I honestly wouldn’t eat raw Sushi in the US. You have to trust that that fish was prepared properly and that the employees followed the rules.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @John Johnson


    Getting some type of parasite from fish is extremely rare
     
    depends on the disease and environment. In the US not common, but probably underdiagnosed.

    In some places like SE Asia and Latin America, it is quite common. Foodborne trematodiases are estimated to infect 56 million/year.

    And their effects can be quite serious in certain cases.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opisthorchiasis

    you would need to eat it raw
     
    Not correct. Underdone fish is infectious, unless heavily salted or exposed to ionizing radiation, but generally I believe they freeze it when they irradiate it to preserve flavor, so, for worms, it may be a bit redundant.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  112. @AP
    @songbird


    Strongly suspect that it wouldn’t be as big of an issue in farmed fish. The fish meal shouldn’t contain the larvae.

     

    We grill Atlantic salmon from fish farms. We buy from Wholefoods, presumably they have some sort of quality control with their fish. Never noticed worms.

    This discussion prompted me to look it up. It does, indeed, seem to be safe:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7844585/

    " Despite the massive production of data in literature on parasitological surveys carried out on fresh salmon, no data are published on processed farmed salmon such as smoked products. In 2016, 270 slices of smoked farmed Atlantic salmon (Salmo salar) and 13 smoked slices from wild sockeye salmon (Oncorhynchus nerka) have been analyzed by visual inspection and UV-press method searching for the presence of anisakid nematodes. No parasites were detected in samples from farmed Atlantic salmon, while 10 out of 13 from wild salmon were positive for Anisakis simplex s.s. larvae."

    Replies: @John Johnson

    We grill Atlantic salmon from fish farms. We buy from Wholefoods, presumably they have some sort of quality control with their fish. Never noticed worms.

    You’ve eaten them many times.

    The worms are hard to spot once the fish has been frozen.

    This discussion prompted me to look it up. It does, indeed, seem to be safe:

    I wouldn’t be worried about the worms.

    I would be more worried about the chemicals they dump on the salmon. Also the PCBs from feeding them trash fish.

    • Replies: @AP
    @John Johnson

    Wholefoods has some quality control for its farmed salmon:

    https://www.seafoodsource.com/news/foodservice-retail/whole-foods-launches-unique-farmed-salmon-brand

  113. @John Johnson
    @songbird

    Technically, farmed fish can have worms. (Maybe some stuff gets through the net?). But I suspect that they would employ antiworm medicine in the feed, in cases where it might be a significant problem.

    They really don't give an F and farmed salmon are more likely to have lice and parasites. Farmed salmon is pretty awful for a lot of reasons. Don't eat it.

    Some fish like lingcod normally has worms. There is no regulation against it. Most people don't know and simply eat it.

    Getting some type of parasite from fish is extremely rare and you would need to eat it raw. Sushi is supposed to be frozen first and then thawed.

    I honestly wouldn't eat raw Sushi in the US. You have to trust that that fish was prepared properly and that the employees followed the rules.

    Replies: @songbird

    Getting some type of parasite from fish is extremely rare

    depends on the disease and environment. In the US not common, but probably underdiagnosed.

    In some places like SE Asia and Latin America, it is quite common. Foodborne trematodiases are estimated to infect 56 million/year.

    And their effects can be quite serious in certain cases.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opisthorchiasis

    you would need to eat it raw

    Not correct. Underdone fish is infectious, unless heavily salted or exposed to ionizing radiation, but generally I believe they freeze it when they irradiate it to preserve flavor, so, for worms, it may be a bit redundant.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @songbird

    In some places like SE Asia and Latin America, it is quite common. Foodborne trematodiases are estimated to infect 56 million/year.

    Well of course we are not talking about the third world. People get all kinds of preventable diseases in the third world from improper food handling. There are still Africans that eat raw bushmeat which is f-cking insane

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opisthorchiasis

    That's mostly in SE Asia.

    I am talking about America. It's extremely rare because of flash freezing.

    Not correct. Underdone fish is infectious, unless heavily salted or exposed to ionizing radiation

    No it would not be in the US if it was frozen first.

    Name the parasite in fish that people should be worried about. The presence of worms doesn't mean they are a danger to you. They have to be evolved to adapt to your system. Inuit eat raw salmon all the time.

    It's shellfish that is far more likely to make someone sick.

    Replies: @songbird

  114. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...the West is particularly eager for Russia’s disintegration, or at least wasn’t prior to 2022.
     
    The West is not monolithic and powerful parts of the elite would like to see Russia's breakup. Check out the neo-con and neo-libs - they talk about it openly, and did before 2022.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The West is not monolithic and powerful parts of the elite would like to see Russia’s breakup. Check out the neo-con and neo-libs – they talk about it openly, and did before 2022.

    I haven’t seen such talk. Who are these neocons? Provide some sources.

    What would a proposed breakup of Russian even look like? Breaking off Siberia and Chechnya? A couple more Stans? It really wouldn’t change anything economically for the West. The base of Russian power is in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Most of the country is a wildlife preserve. You could break off the Eastern 2/3 and the cities wouldn’t notice.

    Putin has been raiding Eastern the minority oblasts for conscripts and they aren’t doing a damn thing about it.

    Russia’s Asians are completely subservient to the emperor.

    It’s pathetic.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    Oil-rich, mineral-rich, and natural gas-rich Siberia could be a useful ally for the West, no? But it's much more worthwhile to make all of Russia pro-Western since I don't think that Siberia has anywhere near as many Russian liberals as Russia's two biggest cities (Moscow and St. Petersburg) have.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...I haven’t seen such talk. Who are these neocons?
     
    Really? Who could they be? You are reaching levels of piggish idiocy not seen before...maybe you should read more.

    Breaking off Siberia...
     
    You are getting warmer. That is specifically what the fanatics like Brzezinski and Allbright said openly in the 90's...But you don't know how to use Google, so we are wasting time...

    Get back to us when you figure out who are the "neo-cons" and "neo-libs". It is not hard. Check out the half dozen wars they started in the last generation. Or is that also something you missed? Not enough info in your WalMarts?

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Sean

  115. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    I have a question for you: Had Russia avoided going Bolshevik in 1917, do you think that there would be any chance of large numbers of people who would have been prevented from moving to the US by the US’s 1920s immigration quotas moving to Russia instead?

    I suspect the real problem is that too many entrepreneurial minded Russians simply moved to Russian speaking areas in free countries. In fact that would help explain the success of the Baltics despite them having few resources. They were eventually gulped by the USSR but there would have been enough time for a generation of immigrants to spread their genes.

    The Communists were really stupid during the Lenin years since it was the peak of blank slate. That was when the Russians still believed they were going to create a generation of geniuses that would surpass the West in all areas. Ironically they would have been better off accepting the reality of genetics for the benefit of Communism. But they tried believing in blank slate fairy tales up through the 30s. The New Man crackpipe was too hard to put down.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    AFAIK, the Russians in the Baltic countries have generally moved there when these countries were under Russian rule (either Tsarist rule or Communist rule), not when the Baltics were free. I don’t think that the free Baltic countries were very eager to accept large numbers of Russian immigrants for fear of a Russian demographic tsunami overwhelming their own countries and their relatively small populations.

    The Communists were utter morons in driving out a lot of Russia’s cognitive elite during the Russian Civil War through their brutality, tyranny, and rhetoric. This in itself made it harder for Russia to recover, even aside from all of the Communist lunacy that they subsequently imposed upon Russia. And the Left SRs were utter morons, first in supporting the Bolsheviks and then in rebelling against the Bolsheviks and thus giving the Bolsheviks an excuse to outlaw and suppress them, thus creating a one-party state in Russia that lasted for over seven decades.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    AFAIK, the Russians in the Baltic countries have generally moved there when these countries were under Russian rule (either Tsarist rule or Communist rule), not when the Baltics were free.

    I realize that but I think they basically lost a 1% entrepreneurial crust during the revolution. I suspect more of that 1% went to nearby countries than Europe or America. It's easier and cheaper to flee into a country with a Russian minority or similar language.

    The data also doesn't show a large influx to the US after the revolution.

    European immigration to America actually declined after WW1. There was actually more Russian immigration in the previous decades.

    The Communists were utter morons in driving out a lot of Russia’s cognitive elite during the Russian Civil War through their brutality, tyranny, and rhetoric. This in itself made it harder for Russia to recover, even aside from all of the Communist lunacy that they subsequently imposed upon Russia.

    I don't think they ever recovered. They killed and chased out too many Zhivagos.

    Russia has vast untapped resources and yet tiny Estonia has a higher standard of living.

    I think part of Putin's spite was in not seeing Russia rise to a great economic power as many predicted. Free market capitalism didn't turn them into a Britain. They had actually hit economic stagnation under Putin.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  116. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    The West is not monolithic and powerful parts of the elite would like to see Russia’s breakup. Check out the neo-con and neo-libs – they talk about it openly, and did before 2022.

    I haven't seen such talk. Who are these neocons? Provide some sources.

    What would a proposed breakup of Russian even look like? Breaking off Siberia and Chechnya? A couple more Stans? It really wouldn't change anything economically for the West. The base of Russian power is in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Most of the country is a wildlife preserve. You could break off the Eastern 2/3 and the cities wouldn't notice.

    Putin has been raiding Eastern the minority oblasts for conscripts and they aren't doing a damn thing about it.

    Russia's Asians are completely subservient to the emperor.

    It's pathetic.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    Oil-rich, mineral-rich, and natural gas-rich Siberia could be a useful ally for the West, no? But it’s much more worthwhile to make all of Russia pro-Western since I don’t think that Siberia has anywhere near as many Russian liberals as Russia’s two biggest cities (Moscow and St. Petersburg) have.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Oil-rich, mineral-rich, and natural gas-rich Siberia could be a useful ally for the West, no?

    I just don't see it happening or changing anything.

    At best it would function like an Indian reserve.

    The pipelines would remain and the same Russian companies would manage the resources.

    But it’s much more worthwhile to make all of Russia pro-Western since I don’t think that Siberia has anywhere near as many Russian liberals as Russia’s two biggest cities (Moscow and St. Petersburg) have.

    I really don't care if Russia is pro or anti Western. What I would like is for them to go back to their borders. I think the Russian people have proven that they aren't interested in democracy or thinking for themselves. They want a dictator to take the burden of thinking so they can get back to important things like vodka and complaining about America. Maybe future generations will change but I am cynical. Even with the internet you see interviews of 20 year old Russians saying stuff like "I'm not interested in politics" or "It's beyond us to understand". It isn't as if they are merely scared. They really don't want to know. They want to focus on their own lives and shrug. This is exactly how the British described the Russians of the 19th century. I don't think it is merely culture. I think the Tsars have bred a lapdog mentality into them and the naturally rebellious left for Western Europe and America.

    Unlike Putin I'm not a globalist. I think Ukrainians should run Ukraine and Syrians should run Syria. Siberians can argue for autonomy but I don't think it will happen. They aren't fighting to keep their own men from being sent to the front. Why should anyone in the West argue for their separation when they don't fight for themselves? There were more fraggings of officers in Vietnam. It's pathetic.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Derer

  117. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Aren’t most Third Worlders in Czechia Vietnamese?
     
    About half and many are fully integrated, speak the language and can hardly be distinguished. It is not a problem, there are a few thousand recent migrants roaming around Prague but almost all want to move further West. It is not a hospitable environment.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Do Czech Roma also want to move further west? It seems like from an Eastern European nationalist perspective, it would be desirable to encourage as many of their Roma as possible to move to Western Europe. The Roma get a better life that way and possibly get to experience less prejudice and discrimination that way while Eastern Europe peacefully reduces the size of its main underclass minority. And the Roma would still get to keep their Eastern European citizenships, obviously, so they could always come back home if necessary, such as if Western Europe will ever become a total dump.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Do Czech Roma also want to move further west?
     
    Not in large numbers, so that won't work. People who want to move are generally educated, unattached to families, speak foreign languages and score low on sociability. That is just the opposite of Romas.

    There are some who go for the easy money - often double dipping at home. But they are not going permanently. There are not that many of them, few percentages in very specific regions.
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr. XYZ

    Plenty of Roma in the UK, the women beg in the streets while the men do other things.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12991653/Romanian-killer-jailed-bludgeoning-grandmother-wooden-stick-embedded-nails-left-die-naked-bush-raping.html

    https://www.gla.gov.uk/whats-new/latest-press-releases/11052023-romanian-man-pleads-guilty-to-modern-slavery-offence/

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-67587464


    Three people have been found guilty of human trafficking after an eight-year police investigation. It found young women were being trafficked from Romania and made to work in brothels in the Swindon area. Gigi Ciobanica, 46, of Grasmere Road, Birmingham, Priyantha Yakdehige, 54, of Vasterne Close, Purton, and Cristina Olaru, 31, of Commercial Road, Swindon, were convicted on Tuesday at Winchester Crown Court, after a 10-week trial.
     
  118. I wish Aaron were here, as I would like to ask him what his favorite Indian movie is – I suspect he might have an interesting answer. Honestly, haven’t seen too many myself.

    Despite its questionable revisionism, I enjoyed RRR because it was more masculine than most Hollywood movies, and I found the narrative easy to follow.

    Though, I would have enjoyed it more if:
    1.) The governor had killed a few Indians with his bare hands, to show how formidable he was. (Based on what I have seen of anti-Jap propaganda produced by the Chinese, I suspect they would not have made this mistake.)
    2.) The English had used the N-word
    3.) A minor Irish character beat the snot out of a minor Indian character called Varadkar. Scottish, Yousaf and English, Sunak or Khan. (But I suppose it is too much to ask the Indians to produce one’s own revisionism.)

  119. @songbird
    @John Johnson


    Getting some type of parasite from fish is extremely rare
     
    depends on the disease and environment. In the US not common, but probably underdiagnosed.

    In some places like SE Asia and Latin America, it is quite common. Foodborne trematodiases are estimated to infect 56 million/year.

    And their effects can be quite serious in certain cases.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opisthorchiasis

    you would need to eat it raw
     
    Not correct. Underdone fish is infectious, unless heavily salted or exposed to ionizing radiation, but generally I believe they freeze it when they irradiate it to preserve flavor, so, for worms, it may be a bit redundant.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    In some places like SE Asia and Latin America, it is quite common. Foodborne trematodiases are estimated to infect 56 million/year.

    Well of course we are not talking about the third world. People get all kinds of preventable diseases in the third world from improper food handling. There are still Africans that eat raw bushmeat which is f-cking insane

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opisthorchiasis

    That’s mostly in SE Asia.

    I am talking about America. It’s extremely rare because of flash freezing.

    Not correct. Underdone fish is infectious, unless heavily salted or exposed to ionizing radiation

    No it would not be in the US if it was frozen first.

    Name the parasite in fish that people should be worried about. The presence of worms doesn’t mean they are a danger to you. They have to be evolved to adapt to your system. Inuit eat raw salmon all the time.

    It’s shellfish that is far more likely to make someone sick.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @John Johnson


    They have to be evolved to adapt to your system
     
    Not sound logic. Look up pics of elephantiasis (do not advise - it includes some of the worst images you can see), if you doubt it.

    Nor is it fun to have a fluke that you got from eating a fish in your bile duct.

    It’s shellfish that is far more likely to make someone sick.
     
    could tell an interesting tale, but it might be too specific.

    Speaking personally, as far as seafood goes, the thing I would be worried about the most would probably be salmonella. Have had salmonella poisoning before and it wasn't fun. Some believe it killed millions of Amerinds.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoliztli_epidemics

    Replies: @John Johnson

  120. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    Oil-rich, mineral-rich, and natural gas-rich Siberia could be a useful ally for the West, no? But it's much more worthwhile to make all of Russia pro-Western since I don't think that Siberia has anywhere near as many Russian liberals as Russia's two biggest cities (Moscow and St. Petersburg) have.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Oil-rich, mineral-rich, and natural gas-rich Siberia could be a useful ally for the West, no?

    I just don’t see it happening or changing anything.

    At best it would function like an Indian reserve.

    The pipelines would remain and the same Russian companies would manage the resources.

    But it’s much more worthwhile to make all of Russia pro-Western since I don’t think that Siberia has anywhere near as many Russian liberals as Russia’s two biggest cities (Moscow and St. Petersburg) have.

    I really don’t care if Russia is pro or anti Western. What I would like is for them to go back to their borders. I think the Russian people have proven that they aren’t interested in democracy or thinking for themselves. They want a dictator to take the burden of thinking so they can get back to important things like vodka and complaining about America. Maybe future generations will change but I am cynical. Even with the internet you see interviews of 20 year old Russians saying stuff like “I’m not interested in politics” or “It’s beyond us to understand”. It isn’t as if they are merely scared. They really don’t want to know. They want to focus on their own lives and shrug. This is exactly how the British described the Russians of the 19th century. I don’t think it is merely culture. I think the Tsars have bred a lapdog mentality into them and the naturally rebellious left for Western Europe and America.

    Unlike Putin I’m not a globalist. I think Ukrainians should run Ukraine and Syrians should run Syria. Siberians can argue for autonomy but I don’t think it will happen. They aren’t fighting to keep their own men from being sent to the front. Why should anyone in the West argue for their separation when they don’t fight for themselves? There were more fraggings of officers in Vietnam. It’s pathetic.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    I think the Tsars have bred a lapdog mentality into them and the naturally rebellious left for Western Europe and America.
     
    TBH, I think that Russians were much more rebellious in the late Tsarist era. But the Bolsheviks killed or gulaged most of the brave Russians who remained, which naturally created a more docile Russian population. Ukrainians were also fairly docile under Soviet rule but this began changing in the 21st century, especially in the more pro-Western parts of Ukraine. Ditto for Belarusians--with them being fairly docile under Soviet rule but having a bit of a spine and backbone in 2020 when Lukashenko rigged the 2020 presidential election over there in his own favor.
    , @Derer
    @John Johnson


    I think Ukrainians should run Ukraine
     
    They did, but have broken the EU standard for treatment of minorities, especially the Russian minority in Donbas (2014-2022). However, the corrupted hypocrites in Brussels decided to support Ukraine in killing Russian minority in Donbas. Those hateful unwashed bastards still insist on supporting minorities everywhere.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  121. @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Khazars.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/prof-john-beaty-and-the-true-origin-of-the-jews/

    Haplogroup debates.

    Some of you are missing the fun.
     
    Another discussion about The Jews on Unz? You can't imagine how much I'm enjoying every moment of missing that fun.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Emil Nikola Richard

    I’m just going to stick with Emil Nikola Richard’s explanation that the Jews are a grey alien genetic experiment. It wins points for entertainment value and possible film rights.

    Nobody wants to watch a movie about Khazars and Haplogroups.

    • LOL: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Barbarossa

    Agree, but I think this has already been done.

    The aliens are the Ferengi in the Star Trek, The Next Generation series.

    Replies: @songbird

  122. @John Johnson
    Trump spent more than $50 million in political donations on legal bills:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-spent-more-than-50m-of-his-pac-and-super-pac-money-on-legal-bills-in-2023/ar-BB1hAcDT

    What kind of sucker donates to a billionaire?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    I get your point but I’d like to reframe your question.

    What kind of sucker donates to a politician?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Barbarossa


    What kind of sucker donates to a politician?
     
    Can be quite useful in a variety of circumstances, but I understand you were talking about the average Joe with some scruples and not bigshots who want a pardon or a kickback, or local psychopaths who want to steal their neighbor's ability to park a car outside their house on the street or their second driveway.

    I’m just going to stick with Emil Nikola Richard’s explanation that the Jews are a grey alien genetic experiment.

     

    Heard that a lot of the abduction stories actually come from hypnotism and "recovered" memories.

    Makes me suspect that the real hardcore alien enthusisiasts like Bigelow might be more suggestible. Also wonder if hypnotism has played any role in the creation of alien lore - specifically in regard to their attributes.

    Replies: @A123, @Barbarossa

    , @John Johnson
    @Barbarossa

    What kind of sucker donates to a politician?

    I can think of a valid scenario.

    When the politician is an underdog and up against a Soros minion that is backed by dark money.

    The current system allows politicians to be backed with outside money.

    Soros has funded DAs that couldn't explain their own donors. They get money from non-profit organizations with names like "people for justice" with few records. He has done this in small town races.

    Soros just announced that he plans on flipping Texas.

    So yes there can be good reasons to donate to a politician. There have been many cases in the US where a candidate was completely funded by outside sources. I find this to be insulting and both sides do it. However Democrats do it far more than Republicans. They depend more on a wealthy liberal 1% to spread around dark money.

    But in general Americans should stop donating to the wealthy.

  123. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    AFAIK, the Russians in the Baltic countries have generally moved there when these countries were under Russian rule (either Tsarist rule or Communist rule), not when the Baltics were free. I don't think that the free Baltic countries were very eager to accept large numbers of Russian immigrants for fear of a Russian demographic tsunami overwhelming their own countries and their relatively small populations.

    The Communists were utter morons in driving out a lot of Russia's cognitive elite during the Russian Civil War through their brutality, tyranny, and rhetoric. This in itself made it harder for Russia to recover, even aside from all of the Communist lunacy that they subsequently imposed upon Russia. And the Left SRs were utter morons, first in supporting the Bolsheviks and then in rebelling against the Bolsheviks and thus giving the Bolsheviks an excuse to outlaw and suppress them, thus creating a one-party state in Russia that lasted for over seven decades.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    AFAIK, the Russians in the Baltic countries have generally moved there when these countries were under Russian rule (either Tsarist rule or Communist rule), not when the Baltics were free.

    I realize that but I think they basically lost a 1% entrepreneurial crust during the revolution. I suspect more of that 1% went to nearby countries than Europe or America. It’s easier and cheaper to flee into a country with a Russian minority or similar language.

    The data also doesn’t show a large influx to the US after the revolution.

    European immigration to America actually declined after WW1. There was actually more Russian immigration in the previous decades.

    The Communists were utter morons in driving out a lot of Russia’s cognitive elite during the Russian Civil War through their brutality, tyranny, and rhetoric. This in itself made it harder for Russia to recover, even aside from all of the Communist lunacy that they subsequently imposed upon Russia.

    I don’t think they ever recovered. They killed and chased out too many Zhivagos.

    Russia has vast untapped resources and yet tiny Estonia has a higher standard of living.

    I think part of Putin’s spite was in not seeing Russia rise to a great economic power as many predicted. Free market capitalism didn’t turn them into a Britain. They had actually hit economic stagnation under Putin.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    I think part of Putin’s spite was in not seeing Russia rise to a great economic power as many predicted. Free market capitalism didn’t turn them into a Britain. They had actually hit economic stagnation under Putin.

     

    From this and other factors, Russian nationalists concluded that Russia needed more people, so they decided to go bold and attempt an all-out conquest of Ukraine, which in turn resulted in the biggest mass killing of Slavs since Hitler's time.

    I realize that but I think they basically lost a 1% entrepreneurial crust during the revolution. I suspect more of that 1% went to nearby countries than Europe or America. It’s easier and cheaper to flee into a country with a Russian minority or similar language.

    The data also doesn’t show a large influx to the US after the revolution.

    European immigration to America actually declined after WW1. There was actually more Russian immigration in the previous decades.
     
    I think that a lot of White Russian emigres moved to places such as France and perhaps Germany. France has at least one and possibly more White Russian cemeteries:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sainte-Genevi%C3%A8ve-des-Bois_Russian_Cemetery#:~:text=Sainte%2DGenevi%C3%A8ve%2Ddes%2DBois%20Russian%20Cemetery%20(French%3A,%2C%20close%20to%20Paris%2C%20France.

    Russia lost a lot of its best people in the 1910s (emigration), 1920s (emigration), 1930s (purges), 1940s (WWII), 1990s (emigration), and 2020s (emigration). It really needs to adopt both transhumanism and eugenic pro-natalism to recover.
  124. @John Johnson
    @songbird

    In some places like SE Asia and Latin America, it is quite common. Foodborne trematodiases are estimated to infect 56 million/year.

    Well of course we are not talking about the third world. People get all kinds of preventable diseases in the third world from improper food handling. There are still Africans that eat raw bushmeat which is f-cking insane

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opisthorchiasis

    That's mostly in SE Asia.

    I am talking about America. It's extremely rare because of flash freezing.

    Not correct. Underdone fish is infectious, unless heavily salted or exposed to ionizing radiation

    No it would not be in the US if it was frozen first.

    Name the parasite in fish that people should be worried about. The presence of worms doesn't mean they are a danger to you. They have to be evolved to adapt to your system. Inuit eat raw salmon all the time.

    It's shellfish that is far more likely to make someone sick.

    Replies: @songbird

    They have to be evolved to adapt to your system

    Not sound logic. Look up pics of elephantiasis (do not advise – it includes some of the worst images you can see), if you doubt it.

    Nor is it fun to have a fluke that you got from eating a fish in your bile duct.

    It’s shellfish that is far more likely to make someone sick.

    could tell an interesting tale, but it might be too specific.

    Speaking personally, as far as seafood goes, the thing I would be worried about the most would probably be salmonella. Have had salmonella poisoning before and it wasn’t fun. Some believe it killed millions of Amerinds.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoliztli_epidemics

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @songbird


    They have to be evolved to adapt to your system
     
    Not sound logic. Look up pics of elephantiasis (do not advise – it includes some of the worst images you can see), if you doubt it.

    It's biology and not question of logic.

    A worm itself is not an inherent threat unless it is evolved to adapt to a similar system.

    Heartworm for example common is in dogs but not people even though they share the same space as the mosquito that transmits it.

    This is because human blood will kill the heartworm.

    Both are mammals but one is vulnerable.

    Nor is it fun to have a fluke that you got from eating a fish in your bile duct.

    What are you even talking about? Fish in the US is flash frozen. There is no reason to be concerned with undercooked grocery salmon in the US.

    Salmon is not pork. Even if you went and ate raw salmon in the wild you wouldn't catch a parasite over 99.9% of the time. Flash freezing kills the worms. They aren't evolved to be flash frozen OR inside a human stomach. There is no risk in searing a grocery store salmon fillet. The risk of eating salmon sushi actually has nothing to do with the salmon or the worms. The risk is in some mad at the world worker not giving an F and letting your thawed salmon touch the same area as some shellfish or raw meat.

    Replies: @songbird

  125. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    When it collapses we will get the horror stories of fear and incompetence. And the corruption…but I doubt the Western media will be interested.
     
    When the Ukie project collapses, the Western governments and subservient MSM will never mention this disaster, because the West is guilty of creating it.

    However, Ukraine neighbors will be very much interested: Poland, Romania, and Hungary are already salivating over pieces of the corpse of Ukraine, which they confidently expect Russia to make ready for carving up.

    I suspect that only Hungary has a chance of getting something as a reward for its behavior. Putin can organize a referendum in parts of Transcarpathia populated by Hungarians: naturally, they will overwhelmingly vote for joining Hungary. He might do that just for the pleasure of seeing entertaining contortions of Western propaganda. I might be amused, but won’t be surprised: the West lost shame long ago, and its propaganda lost all connection to reality, feeding the sheeple with comrade Ogilvy-style stories for many years. E.g., NYT, WaPo, CNN, and their ilk weren’t caught telling the truth in the last ten years.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Gerard1234, @Mr. Hack

    When the Ukie project collapses, the Western governments and subservient MSM will never mention this disaster, because the West is guilty of creating it.

    The advanced technology of the west is highly impressively though – they have developed 4-dimentional tech and managed to not only make all the western retards forget about the country……they have managed to erase even the Syrian civil war from being a time in history.Very impressive!

    I would guess Bashar Al-Assad has close to zero name recognition in the west now, even though he was probably one of the top 10 names in the world from 2010-14. At least Saddam and Kaddafi still have the name recognition. Iraq and Libya too.
    I could almost give sympathy for the head-cutting Syrian rebels….if only they had received the same absurd western PR campaign behind then as the drugaddict Ze and the rest of the Kvartal 95 freakshow in power, then at least they could be very rich.

    I suspect that only Hungary has a chance of getting something as a reward for its behavior. Putin can organize a referendum in parts of Transcarpathia populated by Hungarians: naturally, they will overwhelmingly vote for joining Hungary.

    I wouldn’t reward Hungary/Orban. Well maybe for receiving the Sputnik Vaccine ( and informing everyone that its the Soviet legacy that is why they are comfortable with vaccines from this part of the world)……but everything else is just anti-Russian actions, but SANE anti-Russian actions compared to the others.

    The strange thing is that from all their contemporaries………Orban is the one with by far the most anti-Soviet/anti-communist “credit”……….and Medvedchuk is by far the most Ukrainian nationalist (and not just from his father) background compared to all the other snakes trying to get power in 404.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Gerard1234


    I would guess Bashar Al-Assad has close to zero name recognition in the west now, even though he was probably one of the top 10 names in the world from 2010-14.
     
    Mentioning Assad in the West is now politically incorrect. Fact is, all Western scum that kept repeating “Assad must go” is gone, whereas Assad not only remains an undisputed leader of Syria, but is in a much stronger position internally and internationally than he was back then. As the West cannot acknowledge an abject failure of its idiotic policies, the only viable strategy for Western propaganda is to pretend that he does not exist.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Wielgus

  126. @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Khazars.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/prof-john-beaty-and-the-true-origin-of-the-jews/

    Haplogroup debates.

    Some of you are missing the fun.
     
    Another discussion about The Jews on Unz? You can't imagine how much I'm enjoying every moment of missing that fun.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Emil Nikola Richard

    I thought you were into all those old lengthy Karlinstan haplogroup debates but I guess I was mistaken. I could swear there were a bunch of them that were about north Spain.

    There was one item that nobody had brought up when I posted that and I still have not seen anybody bring up. Spencer Wells was the guy who almost invented the ancient DNA industry. And a few years ago he was cancelled. I did not think much about this at the time, but he was cancelled exactly for posting on twitter about Israel Palestine. He was the ancient DNA guy at the National Geographic Society and a professor at U Texas and poof vanished.

    Probably a very very sore subject but his take on Ron Unz’s article would be great. Apparently everybody is too worn out to appreciate that there might be some DNA intervals from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the Palestinian Arabs today and probably none in the Ashkenazi Jews. And all of the Ashkenazi DNA research is cooked. Or at the very least highly suspicious.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    I thought you were into all those old lengthy Karlinstan haplogroup debates
     
    No, I wasn't. I'm not even sure why people debate haplogroups when we have autosomal DNA. There must be a reason but my understanding is that the former provide much less genetic information than the latter these days.

    I did take part in a debate or two with Bashibuzuk on his Bell Beaker and Corded Ware theories (from a skeptical position). I believe I showed him quite conclusively that he was wrong on his associations with modern populations but he disengaged at that point. Maybe that's what got you confused. BB and CW talk is even more esoteric than haplogroups but that was my point. If I remember correctly, he was linking modern conflicts in Europe to some old struggle between the BBs and the CWs.

    north Spain
     
    Spain? That's a country, isn't it? I think I've heard of it but can't locate it on a map right now. We Basques are not very good at geography. Other than our French neighbors to the North, who are a total nuisance but at least a rather developed people, we don't care much about anyone else.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

  127. @John Johnson
    @AP

    We grill Atlantic salmon from fish farms. We buy from Wholefoods, presumably they have some sort of quality control with their fish. Never noticed worms.

    You've eaten them many times.

    The worms are hard to spot once the fish has been frozen.

    This discussion prompted me to look it up. It does, indeed, seem to be safe:

    I wouldn't be worried about the worms.

    I would be more worried about the chemicals they dump on the salmon. Also the PCBs from feeding them trash fish.

    Replies: @AP

  128. Is a deeper and more intense Communist legacy the reason that the East Slavic countries are significant laggards in regards to corruption relative to the other Slavic countries? Even the fake Balkan Slavs (everyone other than Croatia and Slovenia–Slovenes are real Balkan Slavs and at least a part of the Croats are real Balkan Slavs as well) have a better record on corruption than the East Slavic countries, other than Belarus (which is roughly even with them), have:

    It seems like the Slavic peak on the Corruption Perception Index is in the 50s or low 60s range. Can any of the East Slavic countries ever attain such a relatively low level of corruption? (A higher ranking/index means less corruption.) Ukraine, perhaps, if it is actually serious about joining the EU in the long-term or perhaps even medium-term?

    • Replies: @Derer
    @Mr. XYZ

    I know the authors of this farce they just deposited 5 mill in their bank account from their demanding client for providing the right results - naivety is a plague.

  129. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    AFAIK, the Russians in the Baltic countries have generally moved there when these countries were under Russian rule (either Tsarist rule or Communist rule), not when the Baltics were free.

    I realize that but I think they basically lost a 1% entrepreneurial crust during the revolution. I suspect more of that 1% went to nearby countries than Europe or America. It's easier and cheaper to flee into a country with a Russian minority or similar language.

    The data also doesn't show a large influx to the US after the revolution.

    European immigration to America actually declined after WW1. There was actually more Russian immigration in the previous decades.

    The Communists were utter morons in driving out a lot of Russia’s cognitive elite during the Russian Civil War through their brutality, tyranny, and rhetoric. This in itself made it harder for Russia to recover, even aside from all of the Communist lunacy that they subsequently imposed upon Russia.

    I don't think they ever recovered. They killed and chased out too many Zhivagos.

    Russia has vast untapped resources and yet tiny Estonia has a higher standard of living.

    I think part of Putin's spite was in not seeing Russia rise to a great economic power as many predicted. Free market capitalism didn't turn them into a Britain. They had actually hit economic stagnation under Putin.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I think part of Putin’s spite was in not seeing Russia rise to a great economic power as many predicted. Free market capitalism didn’t turn them into a Britain. They had actually hit economic stagnation under Putin.

    From this and other factors, Russian nationalists concluded that Russia needed more people, so they decided to go bold and attempt an all-out conquest of Ukraine, which in turn resulted in the biggest mass killing of Slavs since Hitler’s time.

    I realize that but I think they basically lost a 1% entrepreneurial crust during the revolution. I suspect more of that 1% went to nearby countries than Europe or America. It’s easier and cheaper to flee into a country with a Russian minority or similar language.

    The data also doesn’t show a large influx to the US after the revolution.

    European immigration to America actually declined after WW1. There was actually more Russian immigration in the previous decades.

    I think that a lot of White Russian emigres moved to places such as France and perhaps Germany. France has at least one and possibly more White Russian cemeteries:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sainte-Genevi%C3%A8ve-des-Bois_Russian_Cemetery#:~:text=Sainte%2DGenevi%C3%A8ve%2Ddes%2DBois%20Russian%20Cemetery%20(French%3A,%2C%20close%20to%20Paris%2C%20France.

    Russia lost a lot of its best people in the 1910s (emigration), 1920s (emigration), 1930s (purges), 1940s (WWII), 1990s (emigration), and 2020s (emigration). It really needs to adopt both transhumanism and eugenic pro-natalism to recover.

  130. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Oil-rich, mineral-rich, and natural gas-rich Siberia could be a useful ally for the West, no?

    I just don't see it happening or changing anything.

    At best it would function like an Indian reserve.

    The pipelines would remain and the same Russian companies would manage the resources.

    But it’s much more worthwhile to make all of Russia pro-Western since I don’t think that Siberia has anywhere near as many Russian liberals as Russia’s two biggest cities (Moscow and St. Petersburg) have.

    I really don't care if Russia is pro or anti Western. What I would like is for them to go back to their borders. I think the Russian people have proven that they aren't interested in democracy or thinking for themselves. They want a dictator to take the burden of thinking so they can get back to important things like vodka and complaining about America. Maybe future generations will change but I am cynical. Even with the internet you see interviews of 20 year old Russians saying stuff like "I'm not interested in politics" or "It's beyond us to understand". It isn't as if they are merely scared. They really don't want to know. They want to focus on their own lives and shrug. This is exactly how the British described the Russians of the 19th century. I don't think it is merely culture. I think the Tsars have bred a lapdog mentality into them and the naturally rebellious left for Western Europe and America.

    Unlike Putin I'm not a globalist. I think Ukrainians should run Ukraine and Syrians should run Syria. Siberians can argue for autonomy but I don't think it will happen. They aren't fighting to keep their own men from being sent to the front. Why should anyone in the West argue for their separation when they don't fight for themselves? There were more fraggings of officers in Vietnam. It's pathetic.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Derer

    I think the Tsars have bred a lapdog mentality into them and the naturally rebellious left for Western Europe and America.

    TBH, I think that Russians were much more rebellious in the late Tsarist era. But the Bolsheviks killed or gulaged most of the brave Russians who remained, which naturally created a more docile Russian population. Ukrainians were also fairly docile under Soviet rule but this began changing in the 21st century, especially in the more pro-Western parts of Ukraine. Ditto for Belarusians–with them being fairly docile under Soviet rule but having a bit of a spine and backbone in 2020 when Lukashenko rigged the 2020 presidential election over there in his own favor.

  131. @Barbarossa
    @John Johnson

    I get your point but I'd like to reframe your question.

    What kind of sucker donates to a politician?

    Replies: @songbird, @John Johnson

    What kind of sucker donates to a politician?

    Can be quite useful in a variety of circumstances, but I understand you were talking about the average Joe with some scruples and not bigshots who want a pardon or a kickback, or local psychopaths who want to steal their neighbor’s ability to park a car outside their house on the street or their second driveway.

    I’m just going to stick with Emil Nikola Richard’s explanation that the Jews are a grey alien genetic experiment.

    Heard that a lot of the abduction stories actually come from hypnotism and “recovered” memories.

    Makes me suspect that the real hardcore alien enthusisiasts like Bigelow might be more suggestible. Also wonder if hypnotism has played any role in the creation of alien lore – specifically in regard to their attributes.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird

    Why aliens are doomed!

    https://raesidecartoon.com/wp-content/shop/space_aliens-1.jpg

    PEACE 😇

    , @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    @ Songbird/ John Johnson
    Yeah, there are perhaps valid theoretical reasons to financially support certain politicians. I can't think of any I would give money to though. I'll keep an open mind if any Mr. Smith comes along.

    I've been listening to a podcast in the evening with my wife regarding alien and UFO stuff. It's from a more skeptical bent so far, which is fine. Better that than leaning too much toward credulity. The podcast is hosted by a guy named Toby Ball and I can't say that it's really worthwhile other than being mildly interesting background while I'm doing 3D modelling work.

    After season 1 there was an interview with some lady who apparently believes that aliens are all about earthly race dynamics. I only heard 5 minutes before I shut it off but believe me, it was plenty to get her shtick.

    You see, Ancient Aliens theories are racist 'cause it assumes that black and brown people can't build cool stuff on their own. Nobody assumes that aliens were necessary to create Notre Dame, 'cause that's White Supremacy in action!

    Also, Grey's represent a mixture of white and black races and their impersonality, malignant intent, and violating abductions have a lot to do with whitey's fears around race and miscegenation.

    Nordic aliens are also racist as Hell since they are benevolent and are so white they glow in the dark. Where are the Magical Negro aliens, one may ask?

    It was pretty stupid yet hilarious and I guess goes to show that literally everything can get tied back to racism.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Emil Nikola Richard

  132. @songbird
    @Barbarossa


    What kind of sucker donates to a politician?
     
    Can be quite useful in a variety of circumstances, but I understand you were talking about the average Joe with some scruples and not bigshots who want a pardon or a kickback, or local psychopaths who want to steal their neighbor's ability to park a car outside their house on the street or their second driveway.

    I’m just going to stick with Emil Nikola Richard’s explanation that the Jews are a grey alien genetic experiment.

     

    Heard that a lot of the abduction stories actually come from hypnotism and "recovered" memories.

    Makes me suspect that the real hardcore alien enthusisiasts like Bigelow might be more suggestible. Also wonder if hypnotism has played any role in the creation of alien lore - specifically in regard to their attributes.

    Replies: @A123, @Barbarossa

    Why aliens are doomed!

    PEACE 😇

    • LOL: songbird
  133. @songbird
    @John Johnson


    They have to be evolved to adapt to your system
     
    Not sound logic. Look up pics of elephantiasis (do not advise - it includes some of the worst images you can see), if you doubt it.

    Nor is it fun to have a fluke that you got from eating a fish in your bile duct.

    It’s shellfish that is far more likely to make someone sick.
     
    could tell an interesting tale, but it might be too specific.

    Speaking personally, as far as seafood goes, the thing I would be worried about the most would probably be salmonella. Have had salmonella poisoning before and it wasn't fun. Some believe it killed millions of Amerinds.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoliztli_epidemics

    Replies: @John Johnson

    They have to be evolved to adapt to your system

    Not sound logic. Look up pics of elephantiasis (do not advise – it includes some of the worst images you can see), if you doubt it.

    It’s biology and not question of logic.

    A worm itself is not an inherent threat unless it is evolved to adapt to a similar system.

    Heartworm for example common is in dogs but not people even though they share the same space as the mosquito that transmits it.

    This is because human blood will kill the heartworm.

    Both are mammals but one is vulnerable.

    Nor is it fun to have a fluke that you got from eating a fish in your bile duct.

    What are you even talking about? Fish in the US is flash frozen. There is no reason to be concerned with undercooked grocery salmon in the US.

    Salmon is not pork. Even if you went and ate raw salmon in the wild you wouldn’t catch a parasite over 99.9% of the time. Flash freezing kills the worms. They aren’t evolved to be flash frozen OR inside a human stomach. There is no risk in searing a grocery store salmon fillet. The risk of eating salmon sushi actually has nothing to do with the salmon or the worms. The risk is in some mad at the world worker not giving an F and letting your thawed salmon touch the same area as some shellfish or raw meat.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @John Johnson


    A worm itself is not an inherent threat unless it is evolved to adapt to a similar system.

     

    I promise you, you don't want Dirofilaria in your eyeball, and some worms not co-evolved with humans will wander around in the brain.

    It is rare, as I already said many posts ago, but most horror stories are.

    What are you even talking about? Fish in the US is flash frozen.
     
    possibly if you live somewhere in middle America, you have never actually seen fish that really is fresh.

    Some restaurants will quote you a price on the day, or you can catch it yourself. Or, buy it in many markets.
  134. @Barbarossa
    @John Johnson

    I get your point but I'd like to reframe your question.

    What kind of sucker donates to a politician?

    Replies: @songbird, @John Johnson

    What kind of sucker donates to a politician?

    I can think of a valid scenario.

    When the politician is an underdog and up against a Soros minion that is backed by dark money.

    The current system allows politicians to be backed with outside money.

    Soros has funded DAs that couldn’t explain their own donors. They get money from non-profit organizations with names like “people for justice” with few records. He has done this in small town races.

    Soros just announced that he plans on flipping Texas.

    So yes there can be good reasons to donate to a politician. There have been many cases in the US where a candidate was completely funded by outside sources. I find this to be insulting and both sides do it. However Democrats do it far more than Republicans. They depend more on a wealthy liberal 1% to spread around dark money.

    But in general Americans should stop donating to the wealthy.

  135. Old well-off British women seek black Gambian boy toys. Seriously.

  136. @AP
    Ukraine has managed to do a better job of ending Russian efforts to stop shipping from Odesa, than the West has done in preventing the Houthis from shutting down trade through the Red Sea :-)

    “ Ukraine has effectively countered Russia's blockade in the Black Sea by establishing an alternative shipping corridor, crucial for maintaining trade — The Economist.

    This corridor, initiated after a grain deal collapse, has seen nearly 500 vessels navigate safely through Ukrainian ports. Despite the inherent risks, including missile attacks and drone threats, Ukraine has managed to restore trade volumes in the Odessa region to nearly pre-war levels.”

    “ The strategic importance of this alternative route is underscored by the fact that 60% of Ukraine's trade used to pass through its deep-sea ports before Russia's economic blockade. The corridor, carefully selected to avoid Russian submarines and backed by shore artillery, has not only proven successful but has also witnessed a significant reduction in insurance costs for ships using the route.”




    https://twitter.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1753026394508956023?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN, @Derer, @Gerard1234

    Boy oh boy, Ukraine is so successful in anything they touch, they are a “superpower”…this all thanks to horilka I guess…they are on the way to surpass Zimbabwe, in 5 years. Thanks, AP for the update.

    Although Odessa and Kharkiv are on the Russian annexation plan and nobody will stop them…they are nuclear superpower that can reach the snake head hiding anywhere.

  137. @Mr. XYZ
    Is a deeper and more intense Communist legacy the reason that the East Slavic countries are significant laggards in regards to corruption relative to the other Slavic countries? Even the fake Balkan Slavs (everyone other than Croatia and Slovenia--Slovenes are real Balkan Slavs and at least a part of the Croats are real Balkan Slavs as well) have a better record on corruption than the East Slavic countries, other than Belarus (which is roughly even with them), have:

    https://jakubmarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/corruption-perceptions-index-2016.jpg

    It seems like the Slavic peak on the Corruption Perception Index is in the 50s or low 60s range. Can any of the East Slavic countries ever attain such a relatively low level of corruption? (A higher ranking/index means less corruption.) Ukraine, perhaps, if it is actually serious about joining the EU in the long-term or perhaps even medium-term?

    Replies: @Derer

    I know the authors of this farce they just deposited 5 mill in their bank account from their demanding client for providing the right results – naivety is a plague.

  138. @AP
    @Beckow


    German national interest is to have peace and prosperity
     
    And Russia was being peaceful by invading Ukraine and starting the largest war in Europe since World War II? You'll argue that it was "preventative", like the Iraq war, so that makes it okay.

    If Russia takes Ukraine (very doubtful), high chance (30% at least) that the Baltics are next. Best way to limit war is to stop Russia in Ukraine.

    All of the Central Europe has that national interest – but for the smaller states, there is also the danger of being dominated by Germany.
     
    Adding Ukraine to Central Europe and using UK/USA as leverage or a balance, limits German domination over Central Europe. Pilsudski was right.

    Look at the situation on the ground: there is no “neo-Russian” empire
     
    Are you too dumb to understand that a neo-Russian Empire is what Putin is attempting to build by taking Ukraine? Yes, right now there is no neo-Russian Empire. And it is in Germany's (and Central Europe's) interest to prevent one from forming.

    and there can never be – it is not economically and culturally possible, the demographics are not there
     
    The Russian Empire included Central Asia, you know. It is a Eurasian Empire. Central Asian demographics are fine. Though Putin is bringing in Africans too now. The first stage would be Ukraine and Belarus, then the Baltics. Then, who knows? Trying to take the Baltics would mean a Polish war, these things spread.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    Adding Ukraine to Central Europe and using UK/USA as leverage or a balance, limits German domination over Central Europe. Pilsudski was right.

    You’re right about that. Poland + Czechia + Ukraine + Romania combined have slightly over 100 million people. You can also add the Baltic countries and now Finland into the mix as well. Unfortunately, Slovakia and Hungary are too unreliable nowadays. But that’s their problem.

  139. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Oil-rich, mineral-rich, and natural gas-rich Siberia could be a useful ally for the West, no?

    I just don't see it happening or changing anything.

    At best it would function like an Indian reserve.

    The pipelines would remain and the same Russian companies would manage the resources.

    But it’s much more worthwhile to make all of Russia pro-Western since I don’t think that Siberia has anywhere near as many Russian liberals as Russia’s two biggest cities (Moscow and St. Petersburg) have.

    I really don't care if Russia is pro or anti Western. What I would like is for them to go back to their borders. I think the Russian people have proven that they aren't interested in democracy or thinking for themselves. They want a dictator to take the burden of thinking so they can get back to important things like vodka and complaining about America. Maybe future generations will change but I am cynical. Even with the internet you see interviews of 20 year old Russians saying stuff like "I'm not interested in politics" or "It's beyond us to understand". It isn't as if they are merely scared. They really don't want to know. They want to focus on their own lives and shrug. This is exactly how the British described the Russians of the 19th century. I don't think it is merely culture. I think the Tsars have bred a lapdog mentality into them and the naturally rebellious left for Western Europe and America.

    Unlike Putin I'm not a globalist. I think Ukrainians should run Ukraine and Syrians should run Syria. Siberians can argue for autonomy but I don't think it will happen. They aren't fighting to keep their own men from being sent to the front. Why should anyone in the West argue for their separation when they don't fight for themselves? There were more fraggings of officers in Vietnam. It's pathetic.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Derer

    I think Ukrainians should run Ukraine

    They did, but have broken the EU standard for treatment of minorities, especially the Russian minority in Donbas (2014-2022). However, the corrupted hypocrites in Brussels decided to support Ukraine in killing Russian minority in Donbas. Those hateful unwashed bastards still insist on supporting minorities everywhere.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Derer

    Ukraine's treatment of the Donbass was very, very gentle compared to how EU candidate country Turkey has dealt with its own Kurdish separatist rebellion.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @John Johnson

  140. @Derer
    @John Johnson


    I think Ukrainians should run Ukraine
     
    They did, but have broken the EU standard for treatment of minorities, especially the Russian minority in Donbas (2014-2022). However, the corrupted hypocrites in Brussels decided to support Ukraine in killing Russian minority in Donbas. Those hateful unwashed bastards still insist on supporting minorities everywhere.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Ukraine’s treatment of the Donbass was very, very gentle compared to how EU candidate country Turkey has dealt with its own Kurdish separatist rebellion.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ


    Ukraine’s treatment of the Donbass was very, very gentle compared to how EU candidate country Turkey has dealt with its own Kurdish separatist rebellion.
     
    Russia's response to the Kiev regime has been tame when compared to Israel's action in Gaza and the West Bank.

    Replies: @AP

    , @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Ukraine’s treatment of the Donbass was very, very gentle compared to how EU candidate country Turkey has dealt with its own Kurdish separatist rebellion.

    They should have sent in special forces on day one. Zero tolerance for anyone that pulls a gun on an elected official.

    Did you watch the Vice videos on the separatists? It was just sad as to how soft the Ukrainian government responded. It was the Ukrainian nationalist militias that took the initiative because the government was so weak. There was never shelling of the area by the Ukrainian military. That was completely made up by Putin supporters. I've asked for a source on that over a dozen times and not a single one has even explained where it happened.

    The DPR militia was made up of goons and was only able to take power due to Russian interference. It was really like watching local drunks take over a city council and then in come Russian Spetsnaz with masks to back them. Igor Girkin even said it was Russia that did the work.

    If Ukraine had cracked down on the fake leaders then the movement would have failed. The same is true for Crimea. Shoot a couple of the drunk leaders and the rest will go home. The Spetsnaz wouldn't have been able to stand in the background and pretend they are locals.

    One special forces operation could have ended it. The Ukrainian government just didn't have the guts and underestimated Russian interference. Didn't help that the US had Obama and his lack of resolve. The affirmative action president.

  141. John Johnson and A123, I have a question for you: I previously flirted with this idea several years ago, but if life for the Shi’a Hazara people will become unbearable in Afghanistan, what about encouraging some of them to resettle in Syria? One would think that the Assad regime would welcome this since it would help solidify their demographic control over Syria. Or is Syria too much of a dump for them to be eager to move there, even from even dumpier Afghanistan? FWIW, the Hazaras are the most pro-Western segment of Afghanistan’s population even nowadays, when all of Afghanistan lives under Taliban rule.

    Here’s an article about them:

    https://thediplomat.com/2024/01/the-plight-of-hazaras-under-the-taliban-government/

    Another option would be to resettle them in Iran if you guys aren’t eager to resettle them in the West, but resettling them in Iran is less geopolitically significant than resettling them in Syria. A 6 million population increase for Iran won’t be a huge deal. It’s less than 10% of the total Iranian population. But it would be a much bigger deal for Syria and for its ruling Assad family. Syria currently has just slightly over 20 million people, after all. Increasing Syria’s population by 6 million would increase it by almost 30% and increase its non-Sunni population (Sunnis are, on average, less loyal to the Assad regime) by much more than that.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Syria currently has just slightly over 20 million people, after all. Increasing Syria’s population by 6 million would increase it by almost 30% and increase its non-Sunni population (Sunnis are, on average, less loyal to the Assad regime) by much more than that.

    The ME is filled with pockets of minorities. Not sure why you would focus on one over the other.

    The Suni/Shia spat has been going on forever.

    Really should not be the White man's burden.

    Increasing Syria’s population by 6 million would increase it by almost 30% and increase its non-Sunni population (Sunnis are, on average, less loyal to the Assad regime) by much more than that.

    Syria has a pretty lousy economy. They're just not in a place to absorb that many people.

    As you know Russia has propped up the Assad dictatorship. Russia provides rent a thugs in exchange for a cut of the gas. Assad wouldn't want millions of Shia when Russian thugs do the job of suppressing the rebels. Syria needs to take back Syrians in Europe. Turkey has over 1.5 million of them.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. XYZ

  142. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Do Czech Roma also want to move further west? It seems like from an Eastern European nationalist perspective, it would be desirable to encourage as many of their Roma as possible to move to Western Europe. The Roma get a better life that way and possibly get to experience less prejudice and discrimination that way while Eastern Europe peacefully reduces the size of its main underclass minority. And the Roma would still get to keep their Eastern European citizenships, obviously, so they could always come back home if necessary, such as if Western Europe will ever become a total dump.

    Replies: @Beckow, @YetAnotherAnon

    …Do Czech Roma also want to move further west?

    Not in large numbers, so that won’t work. People who want to move are generally educated, unattached to families, speak foreign languages and score low on sociability. That is just the opposite of Romas.

    There are some who go for the easy money – often double dipping at home. But they are not going permanently. There are not that many of them, few percentages in very specific regions.

  143. @Mr. XYZ
    @Derer

    Ukraine's treatment of the Donbass was very, very gentle compared to how EU candidate country Turkey has dealt with its own Kurdish separatist rebellion.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @John Johnson

    Ukraine’s treatment of the Donbass was very, very gentle compared to how EU candidate country Turkey has dealt with its own Kurdish separatist rebellion.

    Russia’s response to the Kiev regime has been tame when compared to Israel’s action in Gaza and the West Bank.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail

    Gazans don’t have Ukraine’s air defenses. But, Avdiivka, Bakhmut etc. certainly have a lot in common with Gaza.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  144. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...German national interest is a massive neo-Russian Empire to their East?
     
    German national interest is to have peace and prosperity - not to be dominated by one side or the other, but trade with all. All of the Central Europe has that national interest - but for the smaller states, there is also the danger of being dominated by Germany.

    Look at the situation on the ground: there is no "neo-Russian" empire and there can never be - it is not economically and culturally possible, the demographics are not there. But we are already dominated by the remote Anglo Empire: pushing us into a war we don't need, impoverishing us with cutting of trade and forced military spending, bringing in Third Worlders to make us more compliant and more like "them"...

    Our national interest is in fighting realistic dangers. You make up scary monsters to be able to act as a monster. An old tactic and one that always eventually backfires. See the absolute f...ing disaster in Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP, @LondonBob

    The story of the first half of the last century was German seeking to assert their supremacy over Eastern Europe, at Russia’s expense, we are back to that again. Although I don’t see today’s leaders of Germany as independent actors.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @LondonBob

    "I don’t see today’s leaders of Germany as independent actors"

    Understatement of the decade!

    To be fair, the EU's not very independent either. So much for that independent foreign policy I used to read about in the Guardian.

  145. I see the regional bank crisis is back in the US, those large CRE loans aren’t being paid back, indeed often the interest isn’t paid too. Far too big a black hole in the balance sheet. Powell has no interest in bailing out the special interests on Wall Street, speculator no longer have the taxpayer covering their losses.

    Notable how many companies in the US are announcing lay offs, large ones too, timing for the November election is just perfect.

  146. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Do Czech Roma also want to move further west? It seems like from an Eastern European nationalist perspective, it would be desirable to encourage as many of their Roma as possible to move to Western Europe. The Roma get a better life that way and possibly get to experience less prejudice and discrimination that way while Eastern Europe peacefully reduces the size of its main underclass minority. And the Roma would still get to keep their Eastern European citizenships, obviously, so they could always come back home if necessary, such as if Western Europe will ever become a total dump.

    Replies: @Beckow, @YetAnotherAnon

    Plenty of Roma in the UK, the women beg in the streets while the men do other things.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12991653/Romanian-killer-jailed-bludgeoning-grandmother-wooden-stick-embedded-nails-left-die-naked-bush-raping.html

    https://www.gla.gov.uk/whats-new/latest-press-releases/11052023-romanian-man-pleads-guilty-to-modern-slavery-offence/

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-67587464

    Three people have been found guilty of human trafficking after an eight-year police investigation. It found young women were being trafficked from Romania and made to work in brothels in the Swindon area. Gigi Ciobanica, 46, of Grasmere Road, Birmingham, Priyantha Yakdehige, 54, of Vasterne Close, Purton, and Cristina Olaru, 31, of Commercial Road, Swindon, were convicted on Tuesday at Winchester Crown Court, after a 10-week trial.

  147. @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    I'm just going to stick with Emil Nikola Richard's explanation that the Jews are a grey alien genetic experiment. It wins points for entertainment value and possible film rights.

    Nobody wants to watch a movie about Khazars and Haplogroups.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Agree, but I think this has already been done.

    The aliens are the Ferengi in the Star Trek, The Next Generation series.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @QCIC

    IMO, the Ferengi were far superior to George Lucas's Watto character.

    One reason being that they had time to boil and develop. Another because human actors are more relatable than CGI.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watto

  148. @LondonBob
    @Beckow

    The story of the first half of the last century was German seeking to assert their supremacy over Eastern Europe, at Russia's expense, we are back to that again. Although I don't see today's leaders of Germany as independent actors.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    “I don’t see today’s leaders of Germany as independent actors”

    Understatement of the decade!

    To be fair, the EU’s not very independent either. So much for that independent foreign policy I used to read about in the Guardian.

  149. @John Johnson
    @songbird


    They have to be evolved to adapt to your system
     
    Not sound logic. Look up pics of elephantiasis (do not advise – it includes some of the worst images you can see), if you doubt it.

    It's biology and not question of logic.

    A worm itself is not an inherent threat unless it is evolved to adapt to a similar system.

    Heartworm for example common is in dogs but not people even though they share the same space as the mosquito that transmits it.

    This is because human blood will kill the heartworm.

    Both are mammals but one is vulnerable.

    Nor is it fun to have a fluke that you got from eating a fish in your bile duct.

    What are you even talking about? Fish in the US is flash frozen. There is no reason to be concerned with undercooked grocery salmon in the US.

    Salmon is not pork. Even if you went and ate raw salmon in the wild you wouldn't catch a parasite over 99.9% of the time. Flash freezing kills the worms. They aren't evolved to be flash frozen OR inside a human stomach. There is no risk in searing a grocery store salmon fillet. The risk of eating salmon sushi actually has nothing to do with the salmon or the worms. The risk is in some mad at the world worker not giving an F and letting your thawed salmon touch the same area as some shellfish or raw meat.

    Replies: @songbird

    A worm itself is not an inherent threat unless it is evolved to adapt to a similar system.

    I promise you, you don’t want Dirofilaria in your eyeball, and some worms not co-evolved with humans will wander around in the brain.

    It is rare, as I already said many posts ago, but most horror stories are.

    What are you even talking about? Fish in the US is flash frozen.

    possibly if you live somewhere in middle America, you have never actually seen fish that really is fresh.

    Some restaurants will quote you a price on the day, or you can catch it yourself. Or, buy it in many markets.

  150. @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ


    Ukraine’s treatment of the Donbass was very, very gentle compared to how EU candidate country Turkey has dealt with its own Kurdish separatist rebellion.
     
    Russia's response to the Kiev regime has been tame when compared to Israel's action in Gaza and the West Bank.

    Replies: @AP

    Gazans don’t have Ukraine’s air defenses. But, Avdiivka, Bakhmut etc. certainly have a lot in common with Gaza.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    But, Avdiivka, Bakhmut etc. certainly have a lot in common with Gaza.

     

    Don't forget to mention Mariupol here!

    And worth noting that Gaza is overcrowded as Hell, so it's harder to avoid civilian casualties there relative to Ukraine. If Gaza was more sparsely populated (with a much larger total territory), then likely considerably less Gazan civilians would have gotten killed by Israel.

    Replies: @Beckow, @LondonBob, @A123, @Mikhail

  151. @QCIC
    @Barbarossa

    Agree, but I think this has already been done.

    The aliens are the Ferengi in the Star Trek, The Next Generation series.

    Replies: @songbird

    IMO, the Ferengi were far superior to George Lucas’s Watto character.

    One reason being that they had time to boil and develop. Another because human actors are more relatable than CGI.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watto

  152. Oh oh.

    “Trump finally elaborates on his Ukraine position. He says he’ll get the European countries to match what the US is sending to Ukraine. That’s not a call for cutting off arms to Ukraine — it’s a call for increasing arms. He also once again brags that he increased funding to NATO”

    [MORE]

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Derer
    @AP


    He also once again brags that he increased funding to NATO”

     

    He also said the NATO should be abolished and US military should come home...that helped him in 2016. Wanted to run America as a business. Democrats overruled all his inauguration program by nonstop concocted litigation and fake dossiers. His base support is solid but his energy is down by aging.
    , @A123
    @AP

    Trump's campaign speech was much more about NATO than Ukraine. Those desperate for money read into it what they want to hear.

    The absurd #NeverTrump puppet that Mitch McConnell(!!) foisted on Trump's 1st term has a 180° diametrically opposed interpretation of recent events: (1)


    John Bolton went on CNN to raise the alarm over President Trump potentially taking office again and what this means for Ukraine policy. Trump's former national security advisor expressed that he's "very worried" for the future of Washington support to Ukraine's military because Trump as the Republican frontrunner "doesn't have any inclination" to support Kiev.

    Already the past months have witnessed a string of setbacks and negative news for the Zelensky government. Most recently there's an open conflict between the Ukrainian president and his Commander-in-Chief of Ukraine’s armed forces, Gen. Valerii Zaluzhny. Zaluzhny wrote in a new CNN op-ed, "We must contend with a reduction in military support from key allies, grappling with their own political tensions."

    So hawks like Bolton want to see the next president stay muscular on Ukraine support, but the fear is that Trump has essentially given up on the Ukrainians, given the battlefield situation is already clearly going Russia's way, also given Ukraine's well-known and widespread corruption.
     
    The vile #NeverTrump fanatic Bolton does seem to have a decent read on Trump's actual stance against Forever Wars.

    Hopefully, the less than clear talking points will be revised before future appearances. Trump's brutal and well deserved shots at NATO will be more effective without vague language about Kiev aggression.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bolton-goes-cnn-rip-trump-having-no-inclination-support-ukraine

    Replies: @Mikel

  153. @songbird
    @Barbarossa


    What kind of sucker donates to a politician?
     
    Can be quite useful in a variety of circumstances, but I understand you were talking about the average Joe with some scruples and not bigshots who want a pardon or a kickback, or local psychopaths who want to steal their neighbor's ability to park a car outside their house on the street or their second driveway.

    I’m just going to stick with Emil Nikola Richard’s explanation that the Jews are a grey alien genetic experiment.

     

    Heard that a lot of the abduction stories actually come from hypnotism and "recovered" memories.

    Makes me suspect that the real hardcore alien enthusisiasts like Bigelow might be more suggestible. Also wonder if hypnotism has played any role in the creation of alien lore - specifically in regard to their attributes.

    Replies: @A123, @Barbarossa

    @ Songbird/ John Johnson
    Yeah, there are perhaps valid theoretical reasons to financially support certain politicians. I can’t think of any I would give money to though. I’ll keep an open mind if any Mr. Smith comes along.

    I’ve been listening to a podcast in the evening with my wife regarding alien and UFO stuff. It’s from a more skeptical bent so far, which is fine. Better that than leaning too much toward credulity. The podcast is hosted by a guy named Toby Ball and I can’t say that it’s really worthwhile other than being mildly interesting background while I’m doing 3D modelling work.

    After season 1 there was an interview with some lady who apparently believes that aliens are all about earthly race dynamics. I only heard 5 minutes before I shut it off but believe me, it was plenty to get her shtick.

    You see, Ancient Aliens theories are racist ’cause it assumes that black and brown people can’t build cool stuff on their own. Nobody assumes that aliens were necessary to create Notre Dame, ’cause that’s White Supremacy in action!

    Also, Grey’s represent a mixture of white and black races and their impersonality, malignant intent, and violating abductions have a lot to do with whitey’s fears around race and miscegenation.

    Nordic aliens are also racist as Hell since they are benevolent and are so white they glow in the dark. Where are the Magical Negro aliens, one may ask?

    It was pretty stupid yet hilarious and I guess goes to show that literally everything can get tied back to racism.

    • LOL: songbird
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Barbarossa

    Scientology is actually an ancient alien theory.

    I don't think they have ever officially explained historical racial inequality.

    As with most religions I think they just try to ignore it for the sake of inclusion.

    But I really don't know. I once started reading about Scientology but had to stop because I found it sickening. Calling it a religion is being nice. We know what it is.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Barbarossa

    When there is no data or one corner of a huge jigsaw puzzle anything goes.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  154. @Mr. XYZ
    John Johnson and A123, I have a question for you: I previously flirted with this idea several years ago, but if life for the Shi'a Hazara people will become unbearable in Afghanistan, what about encouraging some of them to resettle in Syria? One would think that the Assad regime would welcome this since it would help solidify their demographic control over Syria. Or is Syria too much of a dump for them to be eager to move there, even from even dumpier Afghanistan? FWIW, the Hazaras are the most pro-Western segment of Afghanistan's population even nowadays, when all of Afghanistan lives under Taliban rule.

    Here's an article about them:

    https://thediplomat.com/2024/01/the-plight-of-hazaras-under-the-taliban-government/

    Another option would be to resettle them in Iran if you guys aren't eager to resettle them in the West, but resettling them in Iran is less geopolitically significant than resettling them in Syria. A 6 million population increase for Iran won't be a huge deal. It's less than 10% of the total Iranian population. But it would be a much bigger deal for Syria and for its ruling Assad family. Syria currently has just slightly over 20 million people, after all. Increasing Syria's population by 6 million would increase it by almost 30% and increase its non-Sunni population (Sunnis are, on average, less loyal to the Assad regime) by much more than that.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Syria currently has just slightly over 20 million people, after all. Increasing Syria’s population by 6 million would increase it by almost 30% and increase its non-Sunni population (Sunnis are, on average, less loyal to the Assad regime) by much more than that.

    The ME is filled with pockets of minorities. Not sure why you would focus on one over the other.

    The Suni/Shia spat has been going on forever.

    Really should not be the White man’s burden.

    Increasing Syria’s population by 6 million would increase it by almost 30% and increase its non-Sunni population (Sunnis are, on average, less loyal to the Assad regime) by much more than that.

    Syria has a pretty lousy economy. They’re just not in a place to absorb that many people.

    As you know Russia has propped up the Assad dictatorship. Russia provides rent a thugs in exchange for a cut of the gas. Assad wouldn’t want millions of Shia when Russian thugs do the job of suppressing the rebels. Syria needs to take back Syrians in Europe. Turkey has over 1.5 million of them.

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson


    The Suni/Shia spat has been going on forever.
     
    Sunni/Sunni and Shia/Shia spats are also endemic. Sunni Turks versus Sunni Kurds. In Iraq, Persian Shia and Arab Shia are separate factions.

    XYZ makes a huge assumption that Afghani Shia would be compatible with Syria's Alawite Shia.

    Syria needs to take back Syrians in Europe. Turkey has over 1.5 million of them.

     

    I concur. It will take years to fix the current problem.

    This should be obvious to XYZ. I am unsure why he made the suggestion.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    I actually want the Syrians in Turkey to permanently stay there in order to see just how successful of an assimilation story they will become. They are the descendants of former Ottoman subjects, after all, so Turkey shouldn't have too much trouble assimilating them, one would think. And AFAIK, Assad doesn't really want Sunni Syrians to return to Syria since that would mean more potential trouble for him since these Sunni Syrians, or at least a lot of them, could be potential opposition supporters.

  155. @Mr. XYZ
    @Derer

    Ukraine's treatment of the Donbass was very, very gentle compared to how EU candidate country Turkey has dealt with its own Kurdish separatist rebellion.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @John Johnson

    Ukraine’s treatment of the Donbass was very, very gentle compared to how EU candidate country Turkey has dealt with its own Kurdish separatist rebellion.

    They should have sent in special forces on day one. Zero tolerance for anyone that pulls a gun on an elected official.

    Did you watch the Vice videos on the separatists? It was just sad as to how soft the Ukrainian government responded. It was the Ukrainian nationalist militias that took the initiative because the government was so weak. There was never shelling of the area by the Ukrainian military. That was completely made up by Putin supporters. I’ve asked for a source on that over a dozen times and not a single one has even explained where it happened.

    The DPR militia was made up of goons and was only able to take power due to Russian interference. It was really like watching local drunks take over a city council and then in come Russian Spetsnaz with masks to back them. Igor Girkin even said it was Russia that did the work.

    If Ukraine had cracked down on the fake leaders then the movement would have failed. The same is true for Crimea. Shoot a couple of the drunk leaders and the rest will go home. The Spetsnaz wouldn’t have been able to stand in the background and pretend they are locals.

    One special forces operation could have ended it. The Ukrainian government just didn’t have the guts and underestimated Russian interference. Didn’t help that the US had Obama and his lack of resolve. The affirmative action president.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  156. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    When it collapses we will get the horror stories of fear and incompetence. And the corruption…but I doubt the Western media will be interested.
     
    When the Ukie project collapses, the Western governments and subservient MSM will never mention this disaster, because the West is guilty of creating it.

    However, Ukraine neighbors will be very much interested: Poland, Romania, and Hungary are already salivating over pieces of the corpse of Ukraine, which they confidently expect Russia to make ready for carving up.

    I suspect that only Hungary has a chance of getting something as a reward for its behavior. Putin can organize a referendum in parts of Transcarpathia populated by Hungarians: naturally, they will overwhelmingly vote for joining Hungary. He might do that just for the pleasure of seeing entertaining contortions of Western propaganda. I might be amused, but won’t be surprised: the West lost shame long ago, and its propaganda lost all connection to reality, feeding the sheeple with comrade Ogilvy-style stories for many years. E.g., NYT, WaPo, CNN, and their ilk weren’t caught telling the truth in the last ten years.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Gerard1234, @Mr. Hack

    However, Ukraine neighbors will be very much interested: Poland, Romania, and Hungary are already salivating over pieces of the corpse of Ukraine, which they confidently expect Russia to make ready for carving up.

    Why not just be honest and admit that it’s really you that’s salivating over the prospect of Ukraine disappearing from the map, Professor Janissary? Born in Ukraine of a Ukrainian mother, along with your hatred of Shevchenko, there’s no doubt about it, you’re a classic Ukranophobe. I don’t know who’s really more despicable, you or kremlinstoogeA123? You both serve the interests of the “evil empire” as the last great American president Ronald Reagan named Russia.

    Why carve Ukraine up? Why not give it all to Russia?
    Are you still mailing in your ballot to Moscow, all the way from Nashville, Profesor?

  157. @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    @ Songbird/ John Johnson
    Yeah, there are perhaps valid theoretical reasons to financially support certain politicians. I can't think of any I would give money to though. I'll keep an open mind if any Mr. Smith comes along.

    I've been listening to a podcast in the evening with my wife regarding alien and UFO stuff. It's from a more skeptical bent so far, which is fine. Better that than leaning too much toward credulity. The podcast is hosted by a guy named Toby Ball and I can't say that it's really worthwhile other than being mildly interesting background while I'm doing 3D modelling work.

    After season 1 there was an interview with some lady who apparently believes that aliens are all about earthly race dynamics. I only heard 5 minutes before I shut it off but believe me, it was plenty to get her shtick.

    You see, Ancient Aliens theories are racist 'cause it assumes that black and brown people can't build cool stuff on their own. Nobody assumes that aliens were necessary to create Notre Dame, 'cause that's White Supremacy in action!

    Also, Grey's represent a mixture of white and black races and their impersonality, malignant intent, and violating abductions have a lot to do with whitey's fears around race and miscegenation.

    Nordic aliens are also racist as Hell since they are benevolent and are so white they glow in the dark. Where are the Magical Negro aliens, one may ask?

    It was pretty stupid yet hilarious and I guess goes to show that literally everything can get tied back to racism.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Scientology is actually an ancient alien theory.

    I don’t think they have ever officially explained historical racial inequality.

    As with most religions I think they just try to ignore it for the sake of inclusion.

    But I really don’t know. I once started reading about Scientology but had to stop because I found it sickening. Calling it a religion is being nice. We know what it is.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  158. @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN


    When the Ukie project collapses, the Western governments and subservient MSM will never mention this disaster, because the West is guilty of creating it.
     
    The advanced technology of the west is highly impressively though - they have developed 4-dimentional tech and managed to not only make all the western retards forget about the country......they have managed to erase even the Syrian civil war from being a time in history.Very impressive!

    I would guess Bashar Al-Assad has close to zero name recognition in the west now, even though he was probably one of the top 10 names in the world from 2010-14. At least Saddam and Kaddafi still have the name recognition. Iraq and Libya too.
    I could almost give sympathy for the head-cutting Syrian rebels....if only they had received the same absurd western PR campaign behind then as the drugaddict Ze and the rest of the Kvartal 95 freakshow in power, then at least they could be very rich.

    I suspect that only Hungary has a chance of getting something as a reward for its behavior. Putin can organize a referendum in parts of Transcarpathia populated by Hungarians: naturally, they will overwhelmingly vote for joining Hungary.
     
    I wouldn't reward Hungary/Orban. Well maybe for receiving the Sputnik Vaccine ( and informing everyone that its the Soviet legacy that is why they are comfortable with vaccines from this part of the world)......but everything else is just anti-Russian actions, but SANE anti-Russian actions compared to the others.

    The strange thing is that from all their contemporaries.........Orban is the one with by far the most anti-Soviet/anti-communist "credit"..........and Medvedchuk is by far the most Ukrainian nationalist (and not just from his father) background compared to all the other snakes trying to get power in 404.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    I would guess Bashar Al-Assad has close to zero name recognition in the west now, even though he was probably one of the top 10 names in the world from 2010-14.

    Mentioning Assad in the West is now politically incorrect. Fact is, all Western scum that kept repeating “Assad must go” is gone, whereas Assad not only remains an undisputed leader of Syria, but is in a much stronger position internally and internationally than he was back then. As the West cannot acknowledge an abject failure of its idiotic policies, the only viable strategy for Western propaganda is to pretend that he does not exist.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN

    I'm scrolling past comments in this blog more than ever before but I haven't been able to avoid seeing a moron up there stating that Ukraine never shelled civilian areas in Donbas, like the one where your mother used to live or your childhood school was located. He added that a special operations team could have ended not only the Donbas rebellion but also the Crimean breakup.

    Granted, we're talking about the top moron of the moment, some unfortunate spillover from the maddest corners of Unz that he should have never left. But how much lower can the discussions here get? What's the point of debating anything here if it's people like that who are going to respond to you?

    And why is it always the Laxas, the Dragons, the XYZs and the JJs who don't seem to have any comments per hour limits? (though to be fair, the former two were very disruptive but at least not utter morons)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Wielgus
    @AnonfromTN

    It also points to the limited memory span of much of the Western media audience.

  159. @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    @ Songbird/ John Johnson
    Yeah, there are perhaps valid theoretical reasons to financially support certain politicians. I can't think of any I would give money to though. I'll keep an open mind if any Mr. Smith comes along.

    I've been listening to a podcast in the evening with my wife regarding alien and UFO stuff. It's from a more skeptical bent so far, which is fine. Better that than leaning too much toward credulity. The podcast is hosted by a guy named Toby Ball and I can't say that it's really worthwhile other than being mildly interesting background while I'm doing 3D modelling work.

    After season 1 there was an interview with some lady who apparently believes that aliens are all about earthly race dynamics. I only heard 5 minutes before I shut it off but believe me, it was plenty to get her shtick.

    You see, Ancient Aliens theories are racist 'cause it assumes that black and brown people can't build cool stuff on their own. Nobody assumes that aliens were necessary to create Notre Dame, 'cause that's White Supremacy in action!

    Also, Grey's represent a mixture of white and black races and their impersonality, malignant intent, and violating abductions have a lot to do with whitey's fears around race and miscegenation.

    Nordic aliens are also racist as Hell since they are benevolent and are so white they glow in the dark. Where are the Magical Negro aliens, one may ask?

    It was pretty stupid yet hilarious and I guess goes to show that literally everything can get tied back to racism.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Emil Nikola Richard

    When there is no data or one corner of a huge jigsaw puzzle anything goes.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Certainly. I think I'm about done with the alien podcast anyway since I take a firmly agnostic position on the whole matter. I've never seen an alien, but I wouldn't doubt that they exist, whether or not they are contactable. I just have zero skin in the entire debate.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

  160. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Syria currently has just slightly over 20 million people, after all. Increasing Syria’s population by 6 million would increase it by almost 30% and increase its non-Sunni population (Sunnis are, on average, less loyal to the Assad regime) by much more than that.

    The ME is filled with pockets of minorities. Not sure why you would focus on one over the other.

    The Suni/Shia spat has been going on forever.

    Really should not be the White man's burden.

    Increasing Syria’s population by 6 million would increase it by almost 30% and increase its non-Sunni population (Sunnis are, on average, less loyal to the Assad regime) by much more than that.

    Syria has a pretty lousy economy. They're just not in a place to absorb that many people.

    As you know Russia has propped up the Assad dictatorship. Russia provides rent a thugs in exchange for a cut of the gas. Assad wouldn't want millions of Shia when Russian thugs do the job of suppressing the rebels. Syria needs to take back Syrians in Europe. Turkey has over 1.5 million of them.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. XYZ

    The Suni/Shia spat has been going on forever.

    Sunni/Sunni and Shia/Shia spats are also endemic. Sunni Turks versus Sunni Kurds. In Iraq, Persian Shia and Arab Shia are separate factions.

    XYZ makes a huge assumption that Afghani Shia would be compatible with Syria’s Alawite Shia.

    Syria needs to take back Syrians in Europe. Turkey has over 1.5 million of them.

    I concur. It will take years to fix the current problem.

    This should be obvious to XYZ. I am unsure why he made the suggestion.

    PEACE 😇

  161. Carlton Meyer does the SMO war.

    [MORE]

    Anybody know Mr Meyer’s haplogroup?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Another useful video. Radio silence from the Ukies here.

    In the map, Western flights to Ukraine are interesting. Are these NATO supply flights? After the beginning of the SMO around 7:50 in the video they start landing in Poland instead of Kiev and the rate of arrivals greatly increases.

  162. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mikel

    I thought you were into all those old lengthy Karlinstan haplogroup debates but I guess I was mistaken. I could swear there were a bunch of them that were about north Spain.

    There was one item that nobody had brought up when I posted that and I still have not seen anybody bring up. Spencer Wells was the guy who almost invented the ancient DNA industry. And a few years ago he was cancelled. I did not think much about this at the time, but he was cancelled exactly for posting on twitter about Israel Palestine. He was the ancient DNA guy at the National Geographic Society and a professor at U Texas and poof vanished.

    Probably a very very sore subject but his take on Ron Unz's article would be great. Apparently everybody is too worn out to appreciate that there might be some DNA intervals from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the Palestinian Arabs today and probably none in the Ashkenazi Jews. And all of the Ashkenazi DNA research is cooked. Or at the very least highly suspicious.

    Replies: @Mikel

    I thought you were into all those old lengthy Karlinstan haplogroup debates

    No, I wasn’t. I’m not even sure why people debate haplogroups when we have autosomal DNA. There must be a reason but my understanding is that the former provide much less genetic information than the latter these days.

    I did take part in a debate or two with Bashibuzuk on his Bell Beaker and Corded Ware theories (from a skeptical position). I believe I showed him quite conclusively that he was wrong on his associations with modern populations but he disengaged at that point. Maybe that’s what got you confused. BB and CW talk is even more esoteric than haplogroups but that was my point. If I remember correctly, he was linking modern conflicts in Europe to some old struggle between the BBs and the CWs.

    north Spain

    Spain? That’s a country, isn’t it? I think I’ve heard of it but can’t locate it on a map right now. We Basques are not very good at geography. Other than our French neighbors to the North, who are a total nuisance but at least a rather developed people, we don’t care much about anyone else.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Mikel


    I’m not even sure why people debate haplogroups when we have autosomal DNA.
     
    Haplogroups, especially Y, are better for establishing genealogy. It is mainly about your true history-rooted identity.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @AnonfromTN, @Mikel

  163. Holy crap

    Ukraine takes out an armored column with FPV drones:

    Some real lucky motherf-ckers at 1:55

    Not sure why they think it is a good idea to drive around when an explosive in the windshield.

  164. @AP
    @Beckow


    German national interest is to have peace and prosperity
     
    And Russia was being peaceful by invading Ukraine and starting the largest war in Europe since World War II? You'll argue that it was "preventative", like the Iraq war, so that makes it okay.

    If Russia takes Ukraine (very doubtful), high chance (30% at least) that the Baltics are next. Best way to limit war is to stop Russia in Ukraine.

    All of the Central Europe has that national interest – but for the smaller states, there is also the danger of being dominated by Germany.
     
    Adding Ukraine to Central Europe and using UK/USA as leverage or a balance, limits German domination over Central Europe. Pilsudski was right.

    Look at the situation on the ground: there is no “neo-Russian” empire
     
    Are you too dumb to understand that a neo-Russian Empire is what Putin is attempting to build by taking Ukraine? Yes, right now there is no neo-Russian Empire. And it is in Germany's (and Central Europe's) interest to prevent one from forming.

    and there can never be – it is not economically and culturally possible, the demographics are not there
     
    The Russian Empire included Central Asia, you know. It is a Eurasian Empire. Central Asian demographics are fine. Though Putin is bringing in Africans too now. The first stage would be Ukraine and Belarus, then the Baltics. Then, who knows? Trying to take the Baltics would mean a Polish war, these things spread.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    “Leverage to balance” is control by the Anglos – at least pretend to a neutral language.

    “Geographic spread of the Neo-Russian Empire” – let’s see:
    – Crimea and Donbas are Russian ethnically and it was a mistake to attach them to Ukraine. After Maidan Kiev mishandled and lost them – you don’t get to ban people’s language, schools and tell Russians living there they have to join Nato – military alliance that exists to fight Russia. It was stupid and it backfired.

    – Rest of Ukraine: Russia wants to prevent any danger from there – they are creating a wide buffer zone. Is that fair? Not really, but if Kiev would act rationally it would not be happening. Kiev bombed civilians in a stronger country on behalf of the Anglos. So Russia will clobber them – US does that too…

    – 80% of people in Belarus declare Russian as their native language – they have lived together for 1,000 years, same religion, mentality. Why is that an “empire”?

    – Baltic mini-states have 25-30% Russian minorities who have lived there for generations. If the Balts simply treated them like equal citizens with normal Euro rights there would be no problems. If they don’t there will be – but how is that an “empire”? When France asked for Quebec to allow French equality was that an “empire”? Get a hold of your crazy exaggerations.

    Poland? Nobody will touch them with a ten-foot pole, why would anyone care? The only danger to Poland is to be the ground zero of the potential nuke exchange. It was extremely unlikely before, now it is 15-20% chance. And obviously Poland would be the primary target – it is of no real interest to either side (Poles? do you actually think anyone in the West would care?) and shouting loud to volunteer. Not a smart policy.

    Russian Empire included Central Asia…It is a Eurasian Empire.

    So? What’s wrong with Central Asia? Are they any worse than the Third World masses crowding into US and Europe? You racism is sickening. Those nations have lived around each other for hundreds of years, why your obsessive hatred? Russia is a Euroasian country and has been for 400 years – a lot longer than US. And they didn’t exterminate the natives, is that what bothers you? This is getting really bizarre – the failed imperial dream (“Poland-Galicia…”) combined with some really ugly Nazi-like shallow racism. You should worry instead about Mestizos beating up your cops and Nigerians robbing you blind.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    “Leverage to balance” is control by the Anglos – at least pretend to a neutral language.
     
    Anglos can influence, but they are too far to control. Russians and Germans pose a greater danger of controlling.

    Crimea and Donbas are Russian ethnically and it was a mistake to attach them to Ukraine.
     
    Maybe. Was it also a mistake to include Sudetenland and the Hungarian-inhabited territories in Czechoslovakia?

    Rest of Ukraine: Russia wants to prevent any danger from there – they are creating a wide buffer zone.
     
    Who is to stop them from deciding that the former Warsaw Pact should also be a buffer zone? To limit problems in Ukraine.

    80% of people in Belarus declare Russian as their native language – they have lived together for 1,000 years, same religion, mentality.
     
    Ignorance as usual. What 1000 years? Belarus was part of Lithuania from 1242 until 1793 - 500 years.

    Baltic mini-states have 25-30% Russian minorities who have lived there for generations. If the Balts simply treated them like equal citizens with normal Euro rights there would be no problems. If they don’t there will be – but how is that an “empire”?
     
    This is the justification Russian imperialists would use to conquer the Baltics and add them to their Empire.

    You like to make excuses but the bottom line is that Russians are building a neo-Russian Empire. Is it in Germany's or Central Europe's interests to border a massive neo-Russian Empire? Or is it better to prevent it from forming? Doing so can be done most cheaply and most quickly in Ukraine.

    Poland?
     
    Poland will defend the Baltics and is arming for it.

    Russian Empire included Central Asia…It is a Eurasian Empire.

    So? What’s wrong with Central Asia?
     
    Nothing is wrong with Central Asia. Did I say something was?

    You mentioned poor Russian demographics and I pointed out that the demographics of Central Asia are healthy, with an increasing population. Thus the population of Eurasia (including Russia) is increasing.

    You racism is sickening...why your obsessive hatred
     
    I said nothing bad about Central Asia. It's people are comparable to Mexicans in some ways. You've already revealed that you dislike Mexicans. If Mexicans were moderate Muslims they would be a lot like Central Asians.

    You've just been caught projecting your own racism, Beckow.

    It really isn't surprising. Slovakia was Hitler's most loyal servant among all the western and eastern Slavs. Your mask slipped.

    Russia is a Euroasian country and has been for 400 years
     
    Much longer than that, but we already know that you don't know history.

    There is nothing wrong for Russia and the rest of Eurasia to develop together and build their Eurasia. I just want my European homeland (and that of the Baltic peoples) to stay out of it. Not because I hate it, because it is foreign to us.

    You should worry instead about Mestizos beating up your cops
     
    LOL, says the guy accusing others of racism.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

  165. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    The West is not monolithic and powerful parts of the elite would like to see Russia’s breakup. Check out the neo-con and neo-libs – they talk about it openly, and did before 2022.

    I haven't seen such talk. Who are these neocons? Provide some sources.

    What would a proposed breakup of Russian even look like? Breaking off Siberia and Chechnya? A couple more Stans? It really wouldn't change anything economically for the West. The base of Russian power is in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Most of the country is a wildlife preserve. You could break off the Eastern 2/3 and the cities wouldn't notice.

    Putin has been raiding Eastern the minority oblasts for conscripts and they aren't doing a damn thing about it.

    Russia's Asians are completely subservient to the emperor.

    It's pathetic.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    …I haven’t seen such talk. Who are these neocons?

    Really? Who could they be? You are reaching levels of piggish idiocy not seen before…maybe you should read more.

    Breaking off Siberia…

    You are getting warmer. That is specifically what the fanatics like Brzezinski and Allbright said openly in the 90’s…But you don’t know how to use Google, so we are wasting time…

    Get back to us when you figure out who are the “neo-cons” and “neo-libs”. It is not hard. Check out the half dozen wars they started in the last generation. Or is that also something you missed? Not enough info in your WalMarts?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    …I haven’t seen such talk. Who are these neocons?
     
    Really? Who could they be? You are reaching levels of piggish idiocy not seen before…maybe you should read more.

    The actual Neocon movement fizzled years ago:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

    And I'm still waiting for that source. Show me these Neocons that are talking about carving up Russia.

    You and other Putin defenders have a consistent pattern in being unable to provide a source for what you take as obvious statements.

    I realize on pro-Putin blogs it's acceptable to throw out rhetoric like "Neocon/Neolib world order blah blah" but in an open forum you need to explain yourself.

    If you mean Jews then say Jews. The original Neocon gang no longer has influence. They were out before Trump's election. Bill Kristol is ignored by practically everyone. He opposed Trump in favor of Hillary which cemented his exclusion in conservative circles. He bet on the wrong horse.

    If everything is so obvious then you should have no problem providing names and sources.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Beckow, @Sean

    , @Sean
    @Beckow

    Yeltsin let Ukraine go , not because because he respected the will of the Ukrainians but because he wanted nothing to interfere with him attaining supreme power. He also failed to control Chechenia What the people in charge of a country are supposed to do is maintain and if practible increase their state's perceived power relative to other states. Russian leadership since Yeltsin has been more a reaction against him not doing his job, than American leadership doing theirs. Realising that as a result of having a drunken clown leading Russia the West had ceased to take anything the Kremlin said at all seriously, Russia has broken off a piece of Ukraine, and it is pretty clear that Russia is intent on holding on to it; Ukraine is not getting it back down. It is a status thing .for Russia.

    Replies: @Beckow

  166. @John Johnson
    GLORIUS VIDEO OF UKRAINE ATTACK DRONES HITTING A CORVETTE
    https://funker530.com/video/ukrainian-sof-titanics-russian-ivanovets-corvette/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txFC-hDDYdY

    Replies: @QCIC, @Mr. Hack

    Many very young Ukrainian civilians are parlaying their considerable gaming skills into real life military resources. In addition, the Ukrainian military is training 10,000’s of drone operators in batches too. While the military waits for larger shipments of big ticket items to arrive, drone manufacturing, or actually drone reconfiguring, proceeds at an exponential rate. Off the wall small commercial drones are tinkered with in order to create deadly weapons that can even take down Russian tanks and trucks. A whole new uniquely Ukrainian cottage industry has emerged within Ukraine where everybody has a vested interest in keeping the country free and safe of the dreaded “orcs”:

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. Hack

    Off the wall small commercial drones are tinkered with in order to create deadly weapons that can even take down Russian tanks and trucks.

    I'm still amazed that they figured out how to disable T-72s with small FPV drones.

    The Russians abandon the tank and leave the hatch open.

    Then another drone comes and drops a nade.

  167. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...I haven’t seen such talk. Who are these neocons?
     
    Really? Who could they be? You are reaching levels of piggish idiocy not seen before...maybe you should read more.

    Breaking off Siberia...
     
    You are getting warmer. That is specifically what the fanatics like Brzezinski and Allbright said openly in the 90's...But you don't know how to use Google, so we are wasting time...

    Get back to us when you figure out who are the "neo-cons" and "neo-libs". It is not hard. Check out the half dozen wars they started in the last generation. Or is that also something you missed? Not enough info in your WalMarts?

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Sean

    …I haven’t seen such talk. Who are these neocons?

    Really? Who could they be? You are reaching levels of piggish idiocy not seen before…maybe you should read more.

    The actual Neocon movement fizzled years ago:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

    And I’m still waiting for that source. Show me these Neocons that are talking about carving up Russia.

    You and other Putin defenders have a consistent pattern in being unable to provide a source for what you take as obvious statements.

    I realize on pro-Putin blogs it’s acceptable to throw out rhetoric like “Neocon/Neolib world order blah blah” but in an open forum you need to explain yourself.

    If you mean Jews then say Jews. The original Neocon gang no longer has influence. They were out before Trump’s election. Bill Kristol is ignored by practically everyone. He opposed Trump in favor of Hillary which cemented his exclusion in conservative circles. He bet on the wrong horse.

    If everything is so obvious then you should have no problem providing names and sources.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    Beckow often likes to augment his questionable views with unverifiable sources. Some like AP don't dilly dally around (can you blame him?) and call it outright "lying". I like to think of it as the private terrain of a first class fantasist, or just plain jane "sloppy" argumentation. :-)

    , @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...the original Neocon gang no longer has influence
     
    How stupid can you pretend to be when caught? Who are the never-Trumpers and the libs running Washington and London? I don't care for their names? Try Graham or Sunak-Starmer. They run the policy.

    Look, you are trying an infantile defense of the indefensible and pretend that it all "ended" - Nato started half a dozen wars in the last generation, never regretted any of them, they killed up to 1 million people, now there is Gaza etc... If you don't know that, just go on gorge on the quality WalMart "breads"...we are not going to do the reading and research for you.

    You are not serious and refuse to address points.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Sean
    @John Johnson


    If you mean Jews then say Jews. The original Neocon gang no longer has influence.
     
    Yes , it is so incredibly obvious; what with the old gang having been so strongly supportive of Israel, which all can see is getting zero support from Washington at present.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @A123

  168. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...I haven’t seen such talk. Who are these neocons?
     
    Really? Who could they be? You are reaching levels of piggish idiocy not seen before...maybe you should read more.

    Breaking off Siberia...
     
    You are getting warmer. That is specifically what the fanatics like Brzezinski and Allbright said openly in the 90's...But you don't know how to use Google, so we are wasting time...

    Get back to us when you figure out who are the "neo-cons" and "neo-libs". It is not hard. Check out the half dozen wars they started in the last generation. Or is that also something you missed? Not enough info in your WalMarts?

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Sean

    Yeltsin let Ukraine go , not because because he respected the will of the Ukrainians but because he wanted nothing to interfere with him attaining supreme power. He also failed to control Chechenia What the people in charge of a country are supposed to do is maintain and if practible increase their state’s perceived power relative to other states. Russian leadership since Yeltsin has been more a reaction against him not doing his job, than American leadership doing theirs. Realising that as a result of having a drunken clown leading Russia the West had ceased to take anything the Kremlin said at all seriously, Russia has broken off a piece of Ukraine, and it is pretty clear that Russia is intent on holding on to it; Ukraine is not getting it back down. It is a status thing .for Russia.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Sean


    ...Russian leadership since Yeltsin has been more a reaction against him not doing his job, than American leadership doing theirs.
     
    The two are connected. Who takes an advantage of a semi-retarded drunk?

    I agree, that is roughly what happened. But the internal collapse went way beyond Yeltsin, the whole generation went kind of crazy, as if they were on happy pills. They dismantled what they could - then it gradually stopped in 2000-2010 - Putin&Co were initially very timid, they also suffered from the the happy-West mania.

    There are many in the Western elites who didn't learn the lesson. Instead of regrets they are sorry they didn't go far enough and finished off Russia once and for all. (It probably wasn't possible, even drunks can push a few buttons, but who knows?) Today they are trying the ultimate check-mate they hesitated to do in the 90's, but it's too late. That's what makes this tragedy slightly comical...the elderly suitors finally got the courage but the prey is no longer vulnerable. It drives them absolutely nuts...

  169. @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    …I haven’t seen such talk. Who are these neocons?
     
    Really? Who could they be? You are reaching levels of piggish idiocy not seen before…maybe you should read more.

    The actual Neocon movement fizzled years ago:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

    And I'm still waiting for that source. Show me these Neocons that are talking about carving up Russia.

    You and other Putin defenders have a consistent pattern in being unable to provide a source for what you take as obvious statements.

    I realize on pro-Putin blogs it's acceptable to throw out rhetoric like "Neocon/Neolib world order blah blah" but in an open forum you need to explain yourself.

    If you mean Jews then say Jews. The original Neocon gang no longer has influence. They were out before Trump's election. Bill Kristol is ignored by practically everyone. He opposed Trump in favor of Hillary which cemented his exclusion in conservative circles. He bet on the wrong horse.

    If everything is so obvious then you should have no problem providing names and sources.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Beckow, @Sean

    Beckow often likes to augment his questionable views with unverifiable sources. Some like AP don’t dilly dally around (can you blame him?) and call it outright “lying”. I like to think of it as the private terrain of a first class fantasist, or just plain jane “sloppy” argumentation. 🙂

  170. @AnonfromTN
    @Gerard1234


    I would guess Bashar Al-Assad has close to zero name recognition in the west now, even though he was probably one of the top 10 names in the world from 2010-14.
     
    Mentioning Assad in the West is now politically incorrect. Fact is, all Western scum that kept repeating “Assad must go” is gone, whereas Assad not only remains an undisputed leader of Syria, but is in a much stronger position internally and internationally than he was back then. As the West cannot acknowledge an abject failure of its idiotic policies, the only viable strategy for Western propaganda is to pretend that he does not exist.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Wielgus

    I’m scrolling past comments in this blog more than ever before but I haven’t been able to avoid seeing a moron up there stating that Ukraine never shelled civilian areas in Donbas, like the one where your mother used to live or your childhood school was located. He added that a special operations team could have ended not only the Donbas rebellion but also the Crimean breakup.

    Granted, we’re talking about the top moron of the moment, some unfortunate spillover from the maddest corners of Unz that he should have never left. But how much lower can the discussions here get? What’s the point of debating anything here if it’s people like that who are going to respond to you?

    And why is it always the Laxas, the Dragons, the XYZs and the JJs who don’t seem to have any comments per hour limits? (though to be fair, the former two were very disruptive but at least not utter morons)

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mikel


    I haven’t been able to avoid seeing a moron up there stating that Ukraine never shelled civilian areas in Donbas
     
    There are many morons here, but some are worse than morons: liars. Or maybe they are an illustration of the saying that no one can be as blind as a person who does not want to see. Ideological people are often intentionally blind, that’s why we have pro-Ukies and flat earthers.

    And why is it always the Laxas, the Dragons, the XYZs and the JJs who don’t seem to have any comments per hour limits?
     
    Now, that’s a valid question that should be addressed to Ron. I hope it’s not what the Russian joke implies: “to friends – everything, to enemies – the law”.

    the former two were very disruptive but at least not utter morons
     
    JJ recently asked Beckow who are the neo-cons. There can be only two reasons for a “person” (I am not sure that JJ personage is a person) asking this question: 1) clinical idiot; 2) shameless liar.
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikel


    And why is it always the Laxas, the Dragons, the XYZs and the JJs who don’t seem to have any comments per hour limits? (though to be fair, the former two were very disruptive but at least not utter morons)

     

    I actually do have a three comment per hour limit.
  171. @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    …I haven’t seen such talk. Who are these neocons?
     
    Really? Who could they be? You are reaching levels of piggish idiocy not seen before…maybe you should read more.

    The actual Neocon movement fizzled years ago:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

    And I'm still waiting for that source. Show me these Neocons that are talking about carving up Russia.

    You and other Putin defenders have a consistent pattern in being unable to provide a source for what you take as obvious statements.

    I realize on pro-Putin blogs it's acceptable to throw out rhetoric like "Neocon/Neolib world order blah blah" but in an open forum you need to explain yourself.

    If you mean Jews then say Jews. The original Neocon gang no longer has influence. They were out before Trump's election. Bill Kristol is ignored by practically everyone. He opposed Trump in favor of Hillary which cemented his exclusion in conservative circles. He bet on the wrong horse.

    If everything is so obvious then you should have no problem providing names and sources.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Beckow, @Sean

    …the original Neocon gang no longer has influence

    How stupid can you pretend to be when caught? Who are the never-Trumpers and the libs running Washington and London? I don’t care for their names? Try Graham or Sunak-Starmer. They run the policy.

    Look, you are trying an infantile defense of the indefensible and pretend that it all “ended” – Nato started half a dozen wars in the last generation, never regretted any of them, they killed up to 1 million people, now there is Gaza etc… If you don’t know that, just go on gorge on the quality WalMart “breads”…we are not going to do the reading and research for you.

    You are not serious and refuse to address points.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Do you have a single quote from a Neocon talking about carving up Russia? Just one?

    If not then just say "I don't" like a man.

    Not sure if an open forum is your thing.

    You have a hard time backing your statements and keep referring to Walmart. Do you think that bothers me? I like Walmart. In fact I probably need to get some bread. I don't need eggs at the moment but unlike Russians I can get them at any time and we don't have to stand in line for them.

    Boy this 2.5 week special operation is really working out. New footage from Crimea.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhILMFdifhk

    CMON DEUTSCHLAND

    SEND THE TAURUS

  172. • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    “What debt? I have never enslaved anyone in my life,
     
    Doesn't Bolsonaro realize that the sins of his great, great. great, great grandfather transfers down to any progeny? I'm thinking of taking Gerard to some international court and suing him for the injustices done to my serf family during the reign of Peter the Great. Most people don't realize that slavery (and make no doubt about it, serfs were slaves) includes white conscripts too. How about you? Any English (London Bob perhaps?) that you'd like to sue for the injustices perpetrated on your ancestral clan?

    Replies: @Beckow, @songbird

  173. @songbird
    I find this new call for reparations in Brazil quite bizarre and amusing.
    https://www.amren.com/news/2024/02/brazil-facing-calls-for-reparations-wrangles-with-its-painful-legacy-of-slavery/

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    “What debt? I have never enslaved anyone in my life,

    Doesn’t Bolsonaro realize that the sins of his great, great. great, great grandfather transfers down to any progeny? I’m thinking of taking Gerard to some international court and suing him for the injustices done to my serf family during the reign of Peter the Great. Most people don’t realize that slavery (and make no doubt about it, serfs were slaves) includes white conscripts too. How about you? Any English (London Bob perhaps?) that you’d like to sue for the injustices perpetrated on your ancestral clan?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ...the sins of his great, great. great, great grandfather transfers down to any progeny?
     
    It is not that simple, how many 'greats' can we look back? "Sin" is a made-up quasi-religious term, it is not even clear if a "sin" lasts one's full life. So inter-generational transfer of sins make little sense.

    But how about gains, profits, lasting benefits and privileges? If they are inherited and one benefits, is it ok to look back? And how far?

    Commies and a few other revos saw it in simple terms: reset everything and take it all. That had the unfortunate consequence that one was not rewarded for acquiring the wealth honestly - it was all past theft. But your 'serf' ancestors were vindicated and it took a few generations of blissful equality before the human accumulation instinct kicked back in.

    My suggestion would be to allow accumulation of wealth but put societal limits on it - it is actually better for the wealth-holders. But the rich usually don't understand that, especially in Latin America...Bolsonaro is great, but he is also a jerk...

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    How about you? Any English (London Bob perhaps?) that you’d like to sue for the injustices perpetrated on your ancestral clan?
     
    What's lost to history is lost to history.

    If I had a bone to pick it would be with the people in charge now. Regrettably, quite a many with native names.
  174. Just to dispel some of the distortions of truth posted above.

    Baltic mini-states have 25-30% Russian minorities who have lived there for generations.

    First, of all the Baltic States are not “mini-states” but relatively large (by European standards) and geographically sensitive lands that were historically desired by their neighbors. That is still relevant even today and especially today, as the world changes.

    Indeed, certain Russians and other Slavs, including Poles and Belarusians, have resided in that region over some periods (granted, never in overwhelmingly large numbers – historically, their proportion has never been as high as it is today, which is mostly due to the Soviet occupation). Worth noting is that there is historical presence of various nationalities, like Balts, Poles, and Ukrainians in what is now known as the Russian Federation – except that those nationalities have lived on the territory of Russia as an integral part, not as short-term colonists. In ancient times, Baltic tribes were dispersed across large swaths of the European part of Russia, reaching as far as present-day Moscow. Some scientists argue that there is a considerable genetic presence of Balts and Poles in the Russian population.

    (President Zelensky has recently emphasized the indigenous connection of Ukrainians to significant areas within the present borders of the Russian Federation.)

    But it is a fact that the majority of Eastern Slavs in the Baltic States are relatively recent arrivals – in fact, some of them have arrived in the recent years (both as political emigres and economic migrants), probably still arriving as we speak. So to give every or any Russian or Russians as a group the status of, let’s say, Old Believers, is simply not objective.

    The comparatively smaller presence of Soviet Slavs in Lithuania can be traced back to the 1940s-50s when Lithuanian guerrillas fought the NKVD and successfully dissuaded potential colonists from arriving in substantial numbers. In contrast, the Latvians, despite their resistance efforts, were too fatigued and depleted from the war. (This is a lesson – do not leave unresolved problems to the next generation).

    It’s a distortion to pile all Russian speakers into one homogeneous group, as they have diverse life stories and motivations. For instance, expecting Russian-speaking Jews who arrived in the Baltics in 1940 as part of the Soviet occupying forces to have the best interests of those countries in mind is just naive. And yet such Jewish individuals have, in some instances, risen to leadership roles within movements that actively combatted the independence of the Baltic States (and the Baltic identity).

    On a happier note, a considerable portion of the Russian speakers are loyal and deeply integrated, a vital and indispensable part of a thriving society, while only a fraction – some of whom identify with antifa – not only oppose the current order, but openly expresses disdain for the Baltic States and their people. Without acknowledging this complexity one cannot have an objective understanding of life in this region.

    Yet the true picture is deliberately distorted to advance Russia’s imperialistic objectives and efforts to destabilize its neighboring countries with the intention to create chaos and then attempt to exert control over this space. The potential victims (if such attempts were to be taken too far), most of whom would be Russian speakers, are of no concern for the Kremlin.

    The reality is that the majority of Russians in the Baltic States are citizens of those states and of the EU. Each Slavic child born automatically becomes a citizen, and currently, less than 20% of newborns are of Slavic descent. Over the past 30 years, this population has had separate schools, media, and other institutions. Russia has systematically used this demographic as a means to exert pressure on the Baltic States (and possibly further). Given the circumstances created by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, it becomes crucial to offer additional support, particularly to the more vulnerable members of this population, such as children, who may now bear the consequences of the long-term policy pursued by the Russian Federation.

    Europe has turned, and the moment of truth has arrived. These Russian speakers need to make a decision as to who they want to be with. Most of them want to be with Europe.

    Let me finish with some candid words from the European freedom fighter Denis White Rex (who grew up in Russia) from an interview with an Estonian newspaper:

    “- In the Baltic countries and Estonia in particular, many Russian-speaking residents sincerely believe the Kremlin propaganda and are waiting for the Russian army to come here. Does it need to be explained to these people that they will be the first to be tortured, when, and if, those who are now trying to conquer the Ukrainian lands come here?

    – Well, what can I say to these people… As an immigrant with great experience, I want to remind them that, for some reason, they do not live on the territory of the Russian Federation. Perhaps because they don’t want to live there?

    Russia is the homeland to all of us*, of course. But Russia today is a country that is best loved from afar. If you really want to become part of the “Russian world”, if you really want to fully feel everything that comes with being a citizen of the Russian Federation, you need to leave your current point of stay in Estonia and return to Russia. There is a repatriation program there. It is working, even if in a revolting way – it is mainly ethnic non-Russians who come to Russia through it. You can try it, too.

    It’s probably possible to wait for the arrival of Russia in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Ukraine. You can probably even associate some aspirations with this. But at the same time, it’s definitely worth looking at what Mariupol looks like, after having already received the arrival of the “Russian world”. Or review once again what Bucha and Irpen’ looked like after the occupation. If someone continues to experience any illusions, cherishes some innermost aspirations, then it makes sense to see what awaits them.”

    * by “us” he means Russian nationals (both inside and outside of the Russian Federation).

  175. @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    Many very young Ukrainian civilians are parlaying their considerable gaming skills into real life military resources. In addition, the Ukrainian military is training 10,000's of drone operators in batches too. While the military waits for larger shipments of big ticket items to arrive, drone manufacturing, or actually drone reconfiguring, proceeds at an exponential rate. Off the wall small commercial drones are tinkered with in order to create deadly weapons that can even take down Russian tanks and trucks. A whole new uniquely Ukrainian cottage industry has emerged within Ukraine where everybody has a vested interest in keeping the country free and safe of the dreaded "orcs":

    https://youtu.be/Sxyu94x0SLw

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Off the wall small commercial drones are tinkered with in order to create deadly weapons that can even take down Russian tanks and trucks.

    I’m still amazed that they figured out how to disable T-72s with small FPV drones.

    The Russians abandon the tank and leave the hatch open.

    Then another drone comes and drops a nade.

  176. @AP
    Oh oh.

    “Trump finally elaborates on his Ukraine position. He says he'll get the European countries to match what the US is sending to Ukraine. That's not a call for cutting off arms to Ukraine -- it's a call for increasing arms. He also once again brags that he increased funding to NATO”



    https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1753100711544455480?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @Derer, @A123

    He also once again brags that he increased funding to NATO”

    He also said the NATO should be abolished and US military should come home…that helped him in 2016. Wanted to run America as a business. Democrats overruled all his inauguration program by nonstop concocted litigation and fake dossiers. His base support is solid but his energy is down by aging.

  177. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...the original Neocon gang no longer has influence
     
    How stupid can you pretend to be when caught? Who are the never-Trumpers and the libs running Washington and London? I don't care for their names? Try Graham or Sunak-Starmer. They run the policy.

    Look, you are trying an infantile defense of the indefensible and pretend that it all "ended" - Nato started half a dozen wars in the last generation, never regretted any of them, they killed up to 1 million people, now there is Gaza etc... If you don't know that, just go on gorge on the quality WalMart "breads"...we are not going to do the reading and research for you.

    You are not serious and refuse to address points.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Do you have a single quote from a Neocon talking about carving up Russia? Just one?

    If not then just say “I don’t” like a man.

    Not sure if an open forum is your thing.

    You have a hard time backing your statements and keep referring to Walmart. Do you think that bothers me? I like Walmart. In fact I probably need to get some bread. I don’t need eggs at the moment but unlike Russians I can get them at any time and we don’t have to stand in line for them.

    Boy this 2.5 week special operation is really working out. New footage from Crimea.

    CMON DEUTSCHLAND

    SEND THE TAURUS

  178. @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    …I haven’t seen such talk. Who are these neocons?
     
    Really? Who could they be? You are reaching levels of piggish idiocy not seen before…maybe you should read more.

    The actual Neocon movement fizzled years ago:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

    And I'm still waiting for that source. Show me these Neocons that are talking about carving up Russia.

    You and other Putin defenders have a consistent pattern in being unable to provide a source for what you take as obvious statements.

    I realize on pro-Putin blogs it's acceptable to throw out rhetoric like "Neocon/Neolib world order blah blah" but in an open forum you need to explain yourself.

    If you mean Jews then say Jews. The original Neocon gang no longer has influence. They were out before Trump's election. Bill Kristol is ignored by practically everyone. He opposed Trump in favor of Hillary which cemented his exclusion in conservative circles. He bet on the wrong horse.

    If everything is so obvious then you should have no problem providing names and sources.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Beckow, @Sean

    If you mean Jews then say Jews. The original Neocon gang no longer has influence.

    Yes , it is so incredibly obvious; what with the old gang having been so strongly supportive of Israel, which all can see is getting zero support from Washington at present.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Sean

    Yes , it is so incredibly obvious; what with the old gang having been so strongly supportive of Israel, which all can see is getting zero support from Washington at present.

    Jews and non-Jews are both divided on Israel.

    Bernie Sanders is Jewish and yet is more supportive of restrictions against Israel than Biden.

    Non-Jewish MAGA house Republicans are some of Israel's biggest supporters.

    They in fact want to give Israel military aid even though it hasn't been requested.

    Nothing is obvious when it comes to DC support of Israel. It's a common but false assumption at Unz that Jews in congress are unified in their support of Israel. The most reliable supporters of Israel are MAGA Republicans in the house. They are in agreement on military aid for Israel but argue over Ukraine aid on the basis of putting America first. I can back that with data if you would like. Evangelical conservatives have been stronger backers of Israel than secular Jews. That has been a consistent pattern for years. The Rapture Ready(tm) crowd was lining up for Israel military aid before we even knew what happened on Oct 7.

    So no I don't take any assumptions on Neocons as fact. I want to see names, quotes and what exactly makes someone a Neocon when the movement ended years ago. If anyone means Jew then say Jew. I base my opinions on actual voting records and not "blah blah Neocon world order so obvious". No it isn't obvious when some MAGA Texan is arguing with a Jew over aid for Israel. Big Jewish Conspiracy does not exist if they don't have every Jew in DC on board but they do have these small town Rapture Ready MAGA cult members. For the record I don't support Hamas and I also don't support free military aid to Israel.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @A123
    @Sean

    It is pretty clear that anti-Semite Biden and his DNC team hate Jews: (1)


    President Joe Biden issued an executive order Thursday that purports to target so-called “extremist settler violence” in the West Bank, but whose terms are so broad that they could be used to impose sanctions on Israeli elected leaders and political parties.
    ...
    the language of the executive order is so sweeping that it could theoretically be applied to non-violent people.

    For example, the executive order allows sanctions to be imposed on anyone found to “have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person blocked pursuant to this order,” meaning it could apply to a lawyer, or anyone who argues on behalf of an accused “settler.” Moreover the executive order allows the president to sanction any “entity” that has members who are sanctioned, which could mean that the U.S. could sanction parties or leaders in the Israeli government. The White House’s national security spokesman, John Kirby, told reporters on Air Force One that the U.S. was not sanctioning any Israeli leaders “at this time,” but left open the possibility.
     

    Neocon Jews had a choice in recent years:

    • Become apostate Jew haters to go the NeoConDemocrat route. Or,
    • Stay faithful to Judaism and renounce NeoCon extremism.

    Those wanting to breakup Russia are the Islamophiles, not the Jews.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/02/01/biden-en-route-michigan-issues-anti-israel-executive-order-exaggerates-settler-violence/

  179. @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN

    I'm scrolling past comments in this blog more than ever before but I haven't been able to avoid seeing a moron up there stating that Ukraine never shelled civilian areas in Donbas, like the one where your mother used to live or your childhood school was located. He added that a special operations team could have ended not only the Donbas rebellion but also the Crimean breakup.

    Granted, we're talking about the top moron of the moment, some unfortunate spillover from the maddest corners of Unz that he should have never left. But how much lower can the discussions here get? What's the point of debating anything here if it's people like that who are going to respond to you?

    And why is it always the Laxas, the Dragons, the XYZs and the JJs who don't seem to have any comments per hour limits? (though to be fair, the former two were very disruptive but at least not utter morons)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ

    I haven’t been able to avoid seeing a moron up there stating that Ukraine never shelled civilian areas in Donbas

    There are many morons here, but some are worse than morons: liars. Or maybe they are an illustration of the saying that no one can be as blind as a person who does not want to see. Ideological people are often intentionally blind, that’s why we have pro-Ukies and flat earthers.

    And why is it always the Laxas, the Dragons, the XYZs and the JJs who don’t seem to have any comments per hour limits?

    Now, that’s a valid question that should be addressed to Ron. I hope it’s not what the Russian joke implies: “to friends – everything, to enemies – the law”.

    the former two were very disruptive but at least not utter morons

    JJ recently asked Beckow who are the neo-cons. There can be only two reasons for a “person” (I am not sure that JJ personage is a person) asking this question: 1) clinical idiot; 2) shameless liar.

  180. @AP
    @Mikhail

    Gazans don’t have Ukraine’s air defenses. But, Avdiivka, Bakhmut etc. certainly have a lot in common with Gaza.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    But, Avdiivka, Bakhmut etc. certainly have a lot in common with Gaza.

    Don’t forget to mention Mariupol here!

    And worth noting that Gaza is overcrowded as Hell, so it’s harder to avoid civilian casualties there relative to Ukraine. If Gaza was more sparsely populated (with a much larger total territory), then likely considerably less Gazan civilians would have gotten killed by Israel.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Gaza is overcrowded as Hell, so it’s harder to avoid civilian casualties there relative to Ukraine
     
    Riiiight. So it is actually the Palis fault - they live too close to each other. Damn natives, don't even know how to spread out, they are too easy to kill.

    With that, if Russia goes ape-shit on Kiev - very densely populated - they can match Israel's numbers. It is good to know that you approve....:) (It really is a clown's world.)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @LondonBob
    @Mr. XYZ

    Not even I would compare what the Israelis have done in Gaza with what the Ukrainians have done in the Donbass.

    , @A123
    @Mr. XYZ


    If Gaza was more sparsely populated (with a much larger total territory), then likely considerably less Gazan civilians would have gotten killed by Israel.
     
    Also, Hamas war criminals use their coreligionists as human shields. Israel forces have the right to strike military targets with appropriate weapons. When trying to crack tunnel systems, significant force is required.

    The violent Muslim side who started this could end it. Release all hostages and lay down arms. Of course, Hamas leaders in Iran and Qatar have little motivation to do that. Ukie and Palis are very similar in this respect. They both desperately need better leaders.

    PEACE 😇

    , @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ


    Don’t forget to mention Mariupol here!

    And worth noting that Gaza is overcrowded as Hell, so it’s harder to avoid civilian casualties there relative to Ukraine. If Gaza was more sparsely populated (with a much larger total territory), then likely considerably less Gazan civilians would have gotten killed by Israel.
     

    Many and likely most Mariupol residents are pro-Russian. In contrast, not many pro-Israeli Gazans.

    Many Israelis have little if any compassion for Pals. Russians en masse on the other hand distinguish between non-svido Ukrainians and their opposites. Russian military doesn't seem to implement a Hannibal like directive along the lines of the IDF and Kiev regime.

  181. @Mikel
    @AnonfromTN

    I'm scrolling past comments in this blog more than ever before but I haven't been able to avoid seeing a moron up there stating that Ukraine never shelled civilian areas in Donbas, like the one where your mother used to live or your childhood school was located. He added that a special operations team could have ended not only the Donbas rebellion but also the Crimean breakup.

    Granted, we're talking about the top moron of the moment, some unfortunate spillover from the maddest corners of Unz that he should have never left. But how much lower can the discussions here get? What's the point of debating anything here if it's people like that who are going to respond to you?

    And why is it always the Laxas, the Dragons, the XYZs and the JJs who don't seem to have any comments per hour limits? (though to be fair, the former two were very disruptive but at least not utter morons)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ

    And why is it always the Laxas, the Dragons, the XYZs and the JJs who don’t seem to have any comments per hour limits? (though to be fair, the former two were very disruptive but at least not utter morons)

    I actually do have a three comment per hour limit.

  182. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    “What debt? I have never enslaved anyone in my life,
     
    Doesn't Bolsonaro realize that the sins of his great, great. great, great grandfather transfers down to any progeny? I'm thinking of taking Gerard to some international court and suing him for the injustices done to my serf family during the reign of Peter the Great. Most people don't realize that slavery (and make no doubt about it, serfs were slaves) includes white conscripts too. How about you? Any English (London Bob perhaps?) that you'd like to sue for the injustices perpetrated on your ancestral clan?

    Replies: @Beckow, @songbird

    …the sins of his great, great. great, great grandfather transfers down to any progeny?

    It is not that simple, how many ‘greats’ can we look back? “Sin” is a made-up quasi-religious term, it is not even clear if a “sin” lasts one’s full life. So inter-generational transfer of sins make little sense.

    But how about gains, profits, lasting benefits and privileges? If they are inherited and one benefits, is it ok to look back? And how far?

    Commies and a few other revos saw it in simple terms: reset everything and take it all. That had the unfortunate consequence that one was not rewarded for acquiring the wealth honestly – it was all past theft. But your ‘serf’ ancestors were vindicated and it took a few generations of blissful equality before the human accumulation instinct kicked back in.

    My suggestion would be to allow accumulation of wealth but put societal limits on it – it is actually better for the wealth-holders. But the rich usually don’t understand that, especially in Latin America…Bolsonaro is great, but he is also a jerk…

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    Perhaps, I wasn't very clear here. I actually share in Bolenaro's views and was trying to be sarcastic about suing Gerard (or any Russian for that matter) regarding past ancestral wrongs. At some point, this sort of logic becomes counter productive.

  183. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Syria currently has just slightly over 20 million people, after all. Increasing Syria’s population by 6 million would increase it by almost 30% and increase its non-Sunni population (Sunnis are, on average, less loyal to the Assad regime) by much more than that.

    The ME is filled with pockets of minorities. Not sure why you would focus on one over the other.

    The Suni/Shia spat has been going on forever.

    Really should not be the White man's burden.

    Increasing Syria’s population by 6 million would increase it by almost 30% and increase its non-Sunni population (Sunnis are, on average, less loyal to the Assad regime) by much more than that.

    Syria has a pretty lousy economy. They're just not in a place to absorb that many people.

    As you know Russia has propped up the Assad dictatorship. Russia provides rent a thugs in exchange for a cut of the gas. Assad wouldn't want millions of Shia when Russian thugs do the job of suppressing the rebels. Syria needs to take back Syrians in Europe. Turkey has over 1.5 million of them.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. XYZ

    I actually want the Syrians in Turkey to permanently stay there in order to see just how successful of an assimilation story they will become. They are the descendants of former Ottoman subjects, after all, so Turkey shouldn’t have too much trouble assimilating them, one would think. And AFAIK, Assad doesn’t really want Sunni Syrians to return to Syria since that would mean more potential trouble for him since these Sunni Syrians, or at least a lot of them, could be potential opposition supporters.

  184. @Sean
    @Beckow

    Yeltsin let Ukraine go , not because because he respected the will of the Ukrainians but because he wanted nothing to interfere with him attaining supreme power. He also failed to control Chechenia What the people in charge of a country are supposed to do is maintain and if practible increase their state's perceived power relative to other states. Russian leadership since Yeltsin has been more a reaction against him not doing his job, than American leadership doing theirs. Realising that as a result of having a drunken clown leading Russia the West had ceased to take anything the Kremlin said at all seriously, Russia has broken off a piece of Ukraine, and it is pretty clear that Russia is intent on holding on to it; Ukraine is not getting it back down. It is a status thing .for Russia.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Russian leadership since Yeltsin has been more a reaction against him not doing his job, than American leadership doing theirs.

    The two are connected. Who takes an advantage of a semi-retarded drunk?

    I agree, that is roughly what happened. But the internal collapse went way beyond Yeltsin, the whole generation went kind of crazy, as if they were on happy pills. They dismantled what they could – then it gradually stopped in 2000-2010 – Putin&Co were initially very timid, they also suffered from the the happy-West mania.

    There are many in the Western elites who didn’t learn the lesson. Instead of regrets they are sorry they didn’t go far enough and finished off Russia once and for all. (It probably wasn’t possible, even drunks can push a few buttons, but who knows?) Today they are trying the ultimate check-mate they hesitated to do in the 90’s, but it’s too late. That’s what makes this tragedy slightly comical…the elderly suitors finally got the courage but the prey is no longer vulnerable. It drives them absolutely nuts…

  185. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    But, Avdiivka, Bakhmut etc. certainly have a lot in common with Gaza.

     

    Don't forget to mention Mariupol here!

    And worth noting that Gaza is overcrowded as Hell, so it's harder to avoid civilian casualties there relative to Ukraine. If Gaza was more sparsely populated (with a much larger total territory), then likely considerably less Gazan civilians would have gotten killed by Israel.

    Replies: @Beckow, @LondonBob, @A123, @Mikhail

    …Gaza is overcrowded as Hell, so it’s harder to avoid civilian casualties there relative to Ukraine

    Riiiight. So it is actually the Palis fault – they live too close to each other. Damn natives, don’t even know how to spread out, they are too easy to kill.

    With that, if Russia goes ape-shit on Kiev – very densely populated – they can match Israel’s numbers. It is good to know that you approve….:) (It really is a clown’s world.)

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    With that, if Russia goes ape-shit on Kiev – very densely populated – they can match Israel’s numbers. It is good to know that you approve….:) (It really is a clown’s world.)

     

    Russia going apeshit on Kiev would be similar to Ukraine going apeshit on the Donbass, which is also very densely populated in its urban areas.

    Replies: @Beckow

  186. @Sean
    @John Johnson


    If you mean Jews then say Jews. The original Neocon gang no longer has influence.
     
    Yes , it is so incredibly obvious; what with the old gang having been so strongly supportive of Israel, which all can see is getting zero support from Washington at present.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @A123

    Yes , it is so incredibly obvious; what with the old gang having been so strongly supportive of Israel, which all can see is getting zero support from Washington at present.

    Jews and non-Jews are both divided on Israel.

    Bernie Sanders is Jewish and yet is more supportive of restrictions against Israel than Biden.

    Non-Jewish MAGA house Republicans are some of Israel’s biggest supporters.

    They in fact want to give Israel military aid even though it hasn’t been requested.

    Nothing is obvious when it comes to DC support of Israel. It’s a common but false assumption at Unz that Jews in congress are unified in their support of Israel. The most reliable supporters of Israel are MAGA Republicans in the house. They are in agreement on military aid for Israel but argue over Ukraine aid on the basis of putting America first. I can back that with data if you would like. Evangelical conservatives have been stronger backers of Israel than secular Jews. That has been a consistent pattern for years. The Rapture Ready(tm) crowd was lining up for Israel military aid before we even knew what happened on Oct 7.

    So no I don’t take any assumptions on Neocons as fact. I want to see names, quotes and what exactly makes someone a Neocon when the movement ended years ago. If anyone means Jew then say Jew. I base my opinions on actual voting records and not “blah blah Neocon world order so obvious”. No it isn’t obvious when some MAGA Texan is arguing with a Jew over aid for Israel. Big Jewish Conspiracy does not exist if they don’t have every Jew in DC on board but they do have these small town Rapture Ready MAGA cult members. For the record I don’t support Hamas and I also don’t support free military aid to Israel.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @John Johnson


    Jews and non-Jews are both divided on Israel
     
    Neocons are not.

    Bernie Sanders is Jewish and yet is more supportive of restrictions against Israel than Biden.
     
    Sanders is not a neocon.

    I want to see names, quotes and what exactly makes someone a Neocon
     
    You have just given the criterion; relatively unqualified support for Israel

    So no I don’t take any assumptions on Neocons as fact.

     

    I think the direction of US policy was changed by the neocons and as long as
    mainstream politicos are for Israel right or wrong, or put it another way they do not dare meaningfully pressurize it, the neocon movement is alive and well. Not dead like you said.

    Big Jewish Conspiracy does not exist if they don’t have every Jew in DC on board but they do have these small town Rapture Ready MAGA cult members.
     
    That's all very interesting, but I would say devotion to Israel is the signature policy of neocons. One might mention the US ignoring the large number of deaths in Gaza and the sacking of Claudine Gay; these are the kind of pro Israel successes that are the raison d'etre of the neocon movement.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  187. @Sean
    @John Johnson


    If you mean Jews then say Jews. The original Neocon gang no longer has influence.
     
    Yes , it is so incredibly obvious; what with the old gang having been so strongly supportive of Israel, which all can see is getting zero support from Washington at present.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @A123

    It is pretty clear that anti-Semite Biden and his DNC team hate Jews: (1)

    President Joe Biden issued an executive order Thursday that purports to target so-called “extremist settler violence” in the West Bank, but whose terms are so broad that they could be used to impose sanctions on Israeli elected leaders and political parties.

    the language of the executive order is so sweeping that it could theoretically be applied to non-violent people.

    For example, the executive order allows sanctions to be imposed on anyone found to “have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person blocked pursuant to this order,” meaning it could apply to a lawyer, or anyone who argues on behalf of an accused “settler.” Moreover the executive order allows the president to sanction any “entity” that has members who are sanctioned, which could mean that the U.S. could sanction parties or leaders in the Israeli government. The White House’s national security spokesman, John Kirby, told reporters on Air Force One that the U.S. was not sanctioning any Israeli leaders “at this time,” but left open the possibility.

    Neocon Jews had a choice in recent years:

    • Become apostate Jew haters to go the NeoConDemocrat route. Or,
    • Stay faithful to Judaism and renounce NeoCon extremism.

    Those wanting to breakup Russia are the Islamophiles, not the Jews.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2024/02/01/biden-en-route-michigan-issues-anti-israel-executive-order-exaggerates-settler-violence/

  188. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    But, Avdiivka, Bakhmut etc. certainly have a lot in common with Gaza.

     

    Don't forget to mention Mariupol here!

    And worth noting that Gaza is overcrowded as Hell, so it's harder to avoid civilian casualties there relative to Ukraine. If Gaza was more sparsely populated (with a much larger total territory), then likely considerably less Gazan civilians would have gotten killed by Israel.

    Replies: @Beckow, @LondonBob, @A123, @Mikhail

    Not even I would compare what the Israelis have done in Gaza with what the Ukrainians have done in the Donbass.

    • Thanks: Derer
    • LOL: Mr. Hack
  189. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    But, Avdiivka, Bakhmut etc. certainly have a lot in common with Gaza.

     

    Don't forget to mention Mariupol here!

    And worth noting that Gaza is overcrowded as Hell, so it's harder to avoid civilian casualties there relative to Ukraine. If Gaza was more sparsely populated (with a much larger total territory), then likely considerably less Gazan civilians would have gotten killed by Israel.

    Replies: @Beckow, @LondonBob, @A123, @Mikhail

    If Gaza was more sparsely populated (with a much larger total territory), then likely considerably less Gazan civilians would have gotten killed by Israel.

    Also, Hamas war criminals use their coreligionists as human shields. Israel forces have the right to strike military targets with appropriate weapons. When trying to crack tunnel systems, significant force is required.

    The violent Muslim side who started this could end it. Release all hostages and lay down arms. Of course, Hamas leaders in Iran and Qatar have little motivation to do that. Ukie and Palis are very similar in this respect. They both desperately need better leaders.

    PEACE 😇

  190. @Mikel
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    I thought you were into all those old lengthy Karlinstan haplogroup debates
     
    No, I wasn't. I'm not even sure why people debate haplogroups when we have autosomal DNA. There must be a reason but my understanding is that the former provide much less genetic information than the latter these days.

    I did take part in a debate or two with Bashibuzuk on his Bell Beaker and Corded Ware theories (from a skeptical position). I believe I showed him quite conclusively that he was wrong on his associations with modern populations but he disengaged at that point. Maybe that's what got you confused. BB and CW talk is even more esoteric than haplogroups but that was my point. If I remember correctly, he was linking modern conflicts in Europe to some old struggle between the BBs and the CWs.

    north Spain
     
    Spain? That's a country, isn't it? I think I've heard of it but can't locate it on a map right now. We Basques are not very good at geography. Other than our French neighbors to the North, who are a total nuisance but at least a rather developed people, we don't care much about anyone else.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    I’m not even sure why people debate haplogroups when we have autosomal DNA.

    Haplogroups, especially Y, are better for establishing genealogy. It is mainly about your true history-rooted identity.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Just remember how AP was insisting that he is a "Wend" ;)

    Replies: @AP

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Haplogroups, especially Y, are better for establishing genealogy.
     
    Correction: Y chromosome sequencing establishes only your male genealogy. Your female genealogy can be established by sequencing your mitochondrial DNA.
    , @Mikel
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Haplogroups, especially Y, are better for establishing genealogy.
     
    Well, as I understand it, they put you in a group of people that share a common male ancestor but there's not much actual genealogy there. My Y haplogroup (R1b-L23 if I remember correctly) only tells me that there's hundreds of thousands of people who, like me, descend from some guy who lived thousands of years ago but I still know nothing about actual ancestors in historical times, let alone people related to me today.

    By contrast, my autosomal DNA does allow ancestry.com to tell me which exact person is a close or distant relative and which current population groups I have ancestry from (95% Basque, 4% Spanish and a mysterious 1% Norwegian, according to their latest calculation). I find all this so much more interesting.

    Autosomal DNA also provides a much more accurate proximity relationship between different groups, as I understand it, because two persons sharing the same Y or mtdna haplogroup may have basically no shared ancestry except for that one common ancestor.

    Just remember how AP was insisting that he is a “Wend”
     
    Yes, I found that weird too :-) but well, what do I know?

    Replies: @AP

  191. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ...the sins of his great, great. great, great grandfather transfers down to any progeny?
     
    It is not that simple, how many 'greats' can we look back? "Sin" is a made-up quasi-religious term, it is not even clear if a "sin" lasts one's full life. So inter-generational transfer of sins make little sense.

    But how about gains, profits, lasting benefits and privileges? If they are inherited and one benefits, is it ok to look back? And how far?

    Commies and a few other revos saw it in simple terms: reset everything and take it all. That had the unfortunate consequence that one was not rewarded for acquiring the wealth honestly - it was all past theft. But your 'serf' ancestors were vindicated and it took a few generations of blissful equality before the human accumulation instinct kicked back in.

    My suggestion would be to allow accumulation of wealth but put societal limits on it - it is actually better for the wealth-holders. But the rich usually don't understand that, especially in Latin America...Bolsonaro is great, but he is also a jerk...

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Perhaps, I wasn’t very clear here. I actually share in Bolenaro’s views and was trying to be sarcastic about suing Gerard (or any Russian for that matter) regarding past ancestral wrongs. At some point, this sort of logic becomes counter productive.

  192. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Mikel


    I’m not even sure why people debate haplogroups when we have autosomal DNA.
     
    Haplogroups, especially Y, are better for establishing genealogy. It is mainly about your true history-rooted identity.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @AnonfromTN, @Mikel

    Just remember how AP was insisting that he is a “Wend” 😉

    • Replies: @AP
    @Another Polish Perspective

    I didn't. It was just the very narrow paternal ancestry. Interesting trivia, but a tiny % overall. Some Baltic Slav who went adventuring with the Rus and settled in East Slavic lands in the Middle Ages. How would that make me a "Wend?"

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

  193. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Barbarossa

    When there is no data or one corner of a huge jigsaw puzzle anything goes.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Certainly. I think I’m about done with the alien podcast anyway since I take a firmly agnostic position on the whole matter. I’ve never seen an alien, but I wouldn’t doubt that they exist, whether or not they are contactable. I just have zero skin in the entire debate.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Barbarossa

    Well, paraphrasing the old joke about politics: "You may not be interested in aliens, but aliens are interested in you".

    If UFOs are here, there are here for a reason.

    I suggest that you just read some basic Sitchin like "12th planet" and leave it at that. Greys, Nordics, it is all bullshit. But Sitchin story may help you understand such unexplained phenomenons like this:

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2386042-astronomers-have-spotted-inexplicably-bright-light-coming-from-the-sun/

    Replies: @QCIC, @Emil Nikola Richard

  194. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Mikel


    I’m not even sure why people debate haplogroups when we have autosomal DNA.
     
    Haplogroups, especially Y, are better for establishing genealogy. It is mainly about your true history-rooted identity.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @AnonfromTN, @Mikel

    Haplogroups, especially Y, are better for establishing genealogy.

    Correction: Y chromosome sequencing establishes only your male genealogy. Your female genealogy can be established by sequencing your mitochondrial DNA.

  195. @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Certainly. I think I'm about done with the alien podcast anyway since I take a firmly agnostic position on the whole matter. I've never seen an alien, but I wouldn't doubt that they exist, whether or not they are contactable. I just have zero skin in the entire debate.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    Well, paraphrasing the old joke about politics: “You may not be interested in aliens, but aliens are interested in you”.

    If UFOs are here, there are here for a reason.

    I suggest that you just read some basic Sitchin like “12th planet” and leave it at that. Greys, Nordics, it is all bullshit. But Sitchin story may help you understand such unexplained phenomenons like this:

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2386042-astronomers-have-spotted-inexplicably-bright-light-coming-from-the-sun/

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Another Polish Perspective

    I recommend that people be skeptical of any claim that we have a clear idea of what goes on inside the sun or even what goes on inside the Earth. Both of these scientific theories involve long chains of inference with many uncertain steps and huge gaps in observational data. The fun question often boils down to: Are these theories mostly correct, partially correct or largely incorrect? By incorrect I don't mean simply wrong, but more importantly an incorrect theory can be misleading.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Another Polish Perspective

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-227/#comment-6127643



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSJemA-eviU

  196. @AP
    Oh oh.

    “Trump finally elaborates on his Ukraine position. He says he'll get the European countries to match what the US is sending to Ukraine. That's not a call for cutting off arms to Ukraine -- it's a call for increasing arms. He also once again brags that he increased funding to NATO”



    https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1753100711544455480?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @Derer, @A123

    Trump’s campaign speech was much more about NATO than Ukraine. Those desperate for money read into it what they want to hear.

    The absurd #NeverTrump puppet that Mitch McConnell(!!) foisted on Trump’s 1st term has a 180° diametrically opposed interpretation of recent events: (1)

    John Bolton went on CNN to raise the alarm over President Trump potentially taking office again and what this means for Ukraine policy. Trump’s former national security advisor expressed that he’s “very worried” for the future of Washington support to Ukraine’s military because Trump as the Republican frontrunner “doesn’t have any inclination” to support Kiev.

    Already the past months have witnessed a string of setbacks and negative news for the Zelensky government. Most recently there’s an open conflict between the Ukrainian president and his Commander-in-Chief of Ukraine’s armed forces, Gen. Valerii Zaluzhny. Zaluzhny wrote in a new CNN op-ed, “We must contend with a reduction in military support from key allies, grappling with their own political tensions.”

    So hawks like Bolton want to see the next president stay muscular on Ukraine support, but the fear is that Trump has essentially given up on the Ukrainians, given the battlefield situation is already clearly going Russia’s way, also given Ukraine’s well-known and widespread corruption.

    The vile #NeverTrump fanatic Bolton does seem to have a decent read on Trump’s actual stance against Forever Wars.

    Hopefully, the less than clear talking points will be revised before future appearances. Trump’s brutal and well deserved shots at NATO will be more effective without vague language about Kiev aggression.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bolton-goes-cnn-rip-trump-having-no-inclination-support-ukraine

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @A123


    The absurd #NeverTrump puppet that Mitch McConnell(!!) foisted on Trump’s 1st term
     
    Nonsense. McConnell had nothing to do with Bolton's appointment. It was a stupid own-goal by the candidate you think will not make similar mistakes if given a second chance. He actually deserves all the venom he's getting from the vipers he needlessly appointed to his administration.

    The national security advisor is appointed by the president and does not require confirmation by the United States Senate.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Advisor_(United_States)

    Replies: @A123

  197. Why is no one here talking about the conflict between Zelensky and Zaluzhny? Is the former really liked by soldiers or not? Why Zelenski wants him out? Does Ukraine really needs 500 000 soldiers Zaluzhny said he needs? Why he doesn’t want to go? Could be a mutiny waiting?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Why is no one here talking about the conflict between Zelensky and Zaluzhny?
     
    I talked about it in the previous thread. The just was that the power struggle in the snake pit between a cokehead and an alcoholic is amusing for the outside observers.

    Why Zelenski wants him out?
     
    Because he became a dangerous competitor with higher support than the clown.

    Why he doesn’t want to go?
     
    I talked about that, too. Zaluzhny does not want to go because he knows Ukraine: as soon as he loses control of the military, clown’s gang is going to “suicide” him or eliminate him in some other way. A snake pit is a snake pi.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Gerard1234
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Why is no one here talking about the conflict between Zelensky and Zaluzhny?
     
    I mentioned this the other day. Anyway its just the standard ukronazi circus/nuthouse on nearly every thing in public official life. 2 different failures trying to eliminate eachother first. At least 20 years of this constant nonsense, only difference is this is in political-military field which was of course much less prominent 20, 30 years before than now.

    Does Ukraine really needs 500 000 soldiers Zaluzhny said he needs?
     
    What type of stupid question is that. Of course they do in this annihilation you clown. The actual question is if they can provided this number of cannon fodder.

    Could be a mutiny waiting?
     
    Too many slaves/lemmings to make this likely. Either way 404 loses very badly, but things would be accelerated if a Akhmad Kadyrov type of personality does get out from the VSU structure and accumulates enough support from former VSU to fight against them. Very unlikely because this would require tens of thousands of men..........and with the amount of control the western powers have over this military ( so completely different with Chechens) , all the coercive weapons they can use (bribery, giving wife and children mansion and education in west, top doctors etc), all the preventative methods they have to stop this from happening before enough personnel accumulated would make it possible etc. Unfortunate, as without the total western control all the conditions are there for several Akhmad Kadyrov's to emerge.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Mikhail

  198. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Mikel


    I’m not even sure why people debate haplogroups when we have autosomal DNA.
     
    Haplogroups, especially Y, are better for establishing genealogy. It is mainly about your true history-rooted identity.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @AnonfromTN, @Mikel

    Haplogroups, especially Y, are better for establishing genealogy.

    Well, as I understand it, they put you in a group of people that share a common male ancestor but there’s not much actual genealogy there. My Y haplogroup (R1b-L23 if I remember correctly) only tells me that there’s hundreds of thousands of people who, like me, descend from some guy who lived thousands of years ago but I still know nothing about actual ancestors in historical times, let alone people related to me today.

    By contrast, my autosomal DNA does allow ancestry.com to tell me which exact person is a close or distant relative and which current population groups I have ancestry from (95% Basque, 4% Spanish and a mysterious 1% Norwegian, according to their latest calculation). I find all this so much more interesting.

    Autosomal DNA also provides a much more accurate proximity relationship between different groups, as I understand it, because two persons sharing the same Y or mtdna haplogroup may have basically no shared ancestry except for that one common ancestor.

    Just remember how AP was insisting that he is a “Wend”

    Yes, I found that weird too 🙂 but well, what do I know?

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    Well, as I understand it, they put you in a group of people that share a common male ancestor but there’s not much actual genealogy there. My Y haplogroup (R1b-L23 if I remember correctly) only tells me that there’s hundreds of thousands of people who, like me, descend from some guy who lived thousands of years ago
     
    It can be narrowed down further, to the Middle Ages in some cases, depending on the kit used. And one can find clusters of people with the same paternal ancestry, to see where they are. This becomes somewhat more meaningful.



    We had an old family legend in the paternal line of Norse descent, druzhina (retinue of the Rus princes) that came to Kiev from the North and escaped to Galicia ~300 years ago following some political struggles. Found out that the paternal haplogroup was actually Baltic Slav, not Norse. Found no traces in Galicia, a small cluster in Kiev, and large clusters around Novgorod, Pskov (areas of heavy Varangian settlement), with many "hits" in Scandinavia also. So, a partial confirmation of the family legend thanks to the Y haplogroup test.

    But I agree with you that the autosomal DNA also offers a lot, and perhaps more but in a different way. We discovered that my wife's great-grandfather was a naughty man when he briefly lived in the Balkans :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ, @songbird

  199. @A123
    @AP

    Trump's campaign speech was much more about NATO than Ukraine. Those desperate for money read into it what they want to hear.

    The absurd #NeverTrump puppet that Mitch McConnell(!!) foisted on Trump's 1st term has a 180° diametrically opposed interpretation of recent events: (1)


    John Bolton went on CNN to raise the alarm over President Trump potentially taking office again and what this means for Ukraine policy. Trump's former national security advisor expressed that he's "very worried" for the future of Washington support to Ukraine's military because Trump as the Republican frontrunner "doesn't have any inclination" to support Kiev.

    Already the past months have witnessed a string of setbacks and negative news for the Zelensky government. Most recently there's an open conflict between the Ukrainian president and his Commander-in-Chief of Ukraine’s armed forces, Gen. Valerii Zaluzhny. Zaluzhny wrote in a new CNN op-ed, "We must contend with a reduction in military support from key allies, grappling with their own political tensions."

    So hawks like Bolton want to see the next president stay muscular on Ukraine support, but the fear is that Trump has essentially given up on the Ukrainians, given the battlefield situation is already clearly going Russia's way, also given Ukraine's well-known and widespread corruption.
     
    The vile #NeverTrump fanatic Bolton does seem to have a decent read on Trump's actual stance against Forever Wars.

    Hopefully, the less than clear talking points will be revised before future appearances. Trump's brutal and well deserved shots at NATO will be more effective without vague language about Kiev aggression.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bolton-goes-cnn-rip-trump-having-no-inclination-support-ukraine

    Replies: @Mikel

    The absurd #NeverTrump puppet that Mitch McConnell(!!) foisted on Trump’s 1st term

    Nonsense. McConnell had nothing to do with Bolton’s appointment. It was a stupid own-goal by the candidate you think will not make similar mistakes if given a second chance. He actually deserves all the venom he’s getting from the vipers he needlessly appointed to his administration.

    The national security advisor is appointed by the president and does not require confirmation by the United States Senate.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Advisor_(United_States)

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikel

    Nonsense. Mitch McConnell(!!), and other Senate RINO's, had 100% of absolutely everything to do with #NeverTrump Bolton's(!!) appointment.

    You are hyper, ultra, maniacally, focused on the piece of paper that says how it is "supposed" to work. How the system "actually" works is sadly different.

    You can find facts, but you have to move away from your extremely biased, unreasonable, emotional, pro-Bolton take. Step back from your ungrounded personal animus, and look at how Trump's actual selections treated your cherished Bolton: (1)


    As for Bolton, his "priorities and policies just don't line up with the president," Gridley said. "There is no one issue here ... they just didn't align on many issues."
    ...
    Tensions reached a point at which Bolton reportedly was excluded from meetings about the war in Afghanistan, an issue that might otherwise have obviously fallen into the purview of the national security adviser.
     
    Uniparty shills like CNN and NPR explicitly pointed out the immense chasm between Trump and their establishment partner #NeverTrump Bolton. It is objective fact that Bolton and the President were diametrically opposed on policy. And, that Trump publicly devalued & humiliated your precious Bolton.

    Did you fail to notice that your #NeverTrump Bolton published a book? And, it was primarily about how much he was not on Trump's team? (2)


    John Bolton excoriated former President Donald Trump as an utterly self-interested man who would punish personal enemies and appease adversaries Russia and China in a new edition of his memoir released on Tuesday.
    ...
    "Trump is unfit to be president," Bolton wrote in the new foreword to "The Room Where it Happened," his account of the 17 months he spent as Trump's national security adviser. "If his first four years were bad, a second four will be worse."
     
    Your insistence that these mortal enemies were on the same side is mind bogglingly incorrect. Why do you insist on pushing such an unhinged #NeverTrump, pro-Bolton point of view? At some level, you must realize that you are operating far, far outside the bounds of credibility.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.npr.org/2019/09/10/724363700/trump-fires-john-bolton-in-final-break-after-months-of-policy-divisions

    (2) https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2024-01-30/bolton-excoriates-trump-in-fresh-introduction-to-his-memoir

    Replies: @Mikel

  200. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    “What debt? I have never enslaved anyone in my life,
     
    Doesn't Bolsonaro realize that the sins of his great, great. great, great grandfather transfers down to any progeny? I'm thinking of taking Gerard to some international court and suing him for the injustices done to my serf family during the reign of Peter the Great. Most people don't realize that slavery (and make no doubt about it, serfs were slaves) includes white conscripts too. How about you? Any English (London Bob perhaps?) that you'd like to sue for the injustices perpetrated on your ancestral clan?

    Replies: @Beckow, @songbird

    How about you? Any English (London Bob perhaps?) that you’d like to sue for the injustices perpetrated on your ancestral clan?

    What’s lost to history is lost to history.

    If I had a bone to pick it would be with the people in charge now. Regrettably, quite a many with native names.

  201. @Beckow
    @AP

    "Leverage to balance" is control by the Anglos - at least pretend to a neutral language.

    "Geographic spread of the Neo-Russian Empire" - let's see:
    - Crimea and Donbas are Russian ethnically and it was a mistake to attach them to Ukraine. After Maidan Kiev mishandled and lost them - you don't get to ban people's language, schools and tell Russians living there they have to join Nato - military alliance that exists to fight Russia. It was stupid and it backfired.

    - Rest of Ukraine: Russia wants to prevent any danger from there - they are creating a wide buffer zone. Is that fair? Not really, but if Kiev would act rationally it would not be happening. Kiev bombed civilians in a stronger country on behalf of the Anglos. So Russia will clobber them - US does that too...

    - 80% of people in Belarus declare Russian as their native language - they have lived together for 1,000 years, same religion, mentality. Why is that an "empire"?

    - Baltic mini-states have 25-30% Russian minorities who have lived there for generations. If the Balts simply treated them like equal citizens with normal Euro rights there would be no problems. If they don't there will be - but how is that an "empire"? When France asked for Quebec to allow French equality was that an "empire"? Get a hold of your crazy exaggerations.

    Poland? Nobody will touch them with a ten-foot pole, why would anyone care? The only danger to Poland is to be the ground zero of the potential nuke exchange. It was extremely unlikely before, now it is 15-20% chance. And obviously Poland would be the primary target - it is of no real interest to either side (Poles? do you actually think anyone in the West would care?) and shouting loud to volunteer. Not a smart policy.


    Russian Empire included Central Asia...It is a Eurasian Empire.
     
    So? What's wrong with Central Asia? Are they any worse than the Third World masses crowding into US and Europe? You racism is sickening. Those nations have lived around each other for hundreds of years, why your obsessive hatred? Russia is a Euroasian country and has been for 400 years - a lot longer than US. And they didn't exterminate the natives, is that what bothers you? This is getting really bizarre - the failed imperial dream ("Poland-Galicia...") combined with some really ugly Nazi-like shallow racism. You should worry instead about Mestizos beating up your cops and Nigerians robbing you blind.

    Replies: @AP

    “Leverage to balance” is control by the Anglos – at least pretend to a neutral language.

    Anglos can influence, but they are too far to control. Russians and Germans pose a greater danger of controlling.

    Crimea and Donbas are Russian ethnically and it was a mistake to attach them to Ukraine.

    Maybe. Was it also a mistake to include Sudetenland and the Hungarian-inhabited territories in Czechoslovakia?

    Rest of Ukraine: Russia wants to prevent any danger from there – they are creating a wide buffer zone.

    Who is to stop them from deciding that the former Warsaw Pact should also be a buffer zone? To limit problems in Ukraine.

    80% of people in Belarus declare Russian as their native language – they have lived together for 1,000 years, same religion, mentality.

    Ignorance as usual. What 1000 years? Belarus was part of Lithuania from 1242 until 1793 – 500 years.

    Baltic mini-states have 25-30% Russian minorities who have lived there for generations. If the Balts simply treated them like equal citizens with normal Euro rights there would be no problems. If they don’t there will be – but how is that an “empire”?

    This is the justification Russian imperialists would use to conquer the Baltics and add them to their Empire.

    You like to make excuses but the bottom line is that Russians are building a neo-Russian Empire. Is it in Germany’s or Central Europe’s interests to border a massive neo-Russian Empire? Or is it better to prevent it from forming? Doing so can be done most cheaply and most quickly in Ukraine.

    Poland?

    Poland will defend the Baltics and is arming for it.

    Russian Empire included Central Asia…It is a Eurasian Empire.

    So? What’s wrong with Central Asia?

    Nothing is wrong with Central Asia. Did I say something was?

    You mentioned poor Russian demographics and I pointed out that the demographics of Central Asia are healthy, with an increasing population. Thus the population of Eurasia (including Russia) is increasing.

    You racism is sickening…why your obsessive hatred

    I said nothing bad about Central Asia. It’s people are comparable to Mexicans in some ways. You’ve already revealed that you dislike Mexicans. If Mexicans were moderate Muslims they would be a lot like Central Asians.

    You’ve just been caught projecting your own racism, Beckow.

    It really isn’t surprising. Slovakia was Hitler’s most loyal servant among all the western and eastern Slavs. Your mask slipped.

    Russia is a Euroasian country and has been for 400 years

    Much longer than that, but we already know that you don’t know history.

    There is nothing wrong for Russia and the rest of Eurasia to develop together and build their Eurasia. I just want my European homeland (and that of the Baltic peoples) to stay out of it. Not because I hate it, because it is foreign to us.

    You should worry instead about Mestizos beating up your cops

    LOL, says the guy accusing others of racism.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Was it also a mistake to include Sudetenland and the Hungarian-inhabited territories in Czechoslovakia?
     
    Possibly, but we fixed it and Kiev is not able to. Big difference. It was also looong time ago...

    Who is to stop them from deciding that the former Warsaw Pact should also be a buffer zone?
     
    Not who, but what - the basic rationality, most people don't say or do stupid stuff. That is a skill that you Galician-Polo-Ukies seem to be missing.

    Belarus was part of Lithuania from 1242 until 1793 – 500 years....
     
    Sure. Looks like you forgot to take your pill again...this autism thing can be a b...tch.

    I just want my European homeland (and that of the Baltic peoples) to stay out of it.
     
    We don't always get what we want. You missed that boat with the stupid behavior post-Maidan, you know the whole 'kill the Russkies!!!' (you bombed them for years) and the Nato thing. Your Heimat will be smaller, but look at the bright side: it will be an all Euro Heimat with no damn Asiatic people - that is until the Brussels bosses decide to ship some to you. With the millions who left and died there will be a lot of empty space.

    Mestizos? You know that could be a generic term, all those urban Western Euros are starting to look kind of the same: shortish, chunky, swarthy and hirsute. That's the new Euro look, you may have to get used to it...:)

    The Balts are even better, they have managed to drop their population by 30% even without a war. All for a "Euro" Heimat.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    This is the justification Russian imperialists would use to conquer the Baltics and add them to their Empire.

     

    Conquering the Baltics won't do much unless Finland is also conquered because NATO could simply station nuclear missiles in Finland instead of the Baltics if NATO was ever actually feeling very aggressive (which is very, very unlikely, of course). Attacking both the Baltics and Finland would require simultaneous attacks on two fronts.

    I said nothing bad about Central Asia. It’s people are comparable to Mexicans in some ways. You’ve already revealed that you dislike Mexicans. If Mexicans were moderate Muslims they would be a lot like Central Asians.

     


    There is nothing wrong for Russia and the rest of Eurasia to develop together and build their Eurasia. I just want my European homeland (and that of the Baltic peoples) to stay out of it. Not because I hate it, because it is foreign to us.

     

    I dream of a day where Russia will be as successful at once again integrating Muslims on a huge scale similar to how the US is successful at integrating Latin Americans on a large scale. :)
  202. @AnonfromTN
    In Vinnitsa region Ukrainians are masquerading as wild animals to run away across the border:
    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/111464

    Ukraine must be real heaven on Earth and its residents must be fiery patriots for this to happen.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP, @Derer

    I heard about this, and in one case two were dressed in cow outfit and by grazing they managed to fool the border patrol…but eventually they became victim of vicious bull.

  203. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Just remember how AP was insisting that he is a "Wend" ;)

    Replies: @AP

    I didn’t. It was just the very narrow paternal ancestry. Interesting trivia, but a tiny % overall. Some Baltic Slav who went adventuring with the Rus and settled in East Slavic lands in the Middle Ages. How would that make me a “Wend?”

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @AP

    You claimed that "Wends" were somehow real, and not just some German name for Western Slavs.

    Replies: @AP

  204. @Mikel
    @A123


    The absurd #NeverTrump puppet that Mitch McConnell(!!) foisted on Trump’s 1st term
     
    Nonsense. McConnell had nothing to do with Bolton's appointment. It was a stupid own-goal by the candidate you think will not make similar mistakes if given a second chance. He actually deserves all the venom he's getting from the vipers he needlessly appointed to his administration.

    The national security advisor is appointed by the president and does not require confirmation by the United States Senate.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Advisor_(United_States)

    Replies: @A123

    Nonsense. Mitch McConnell(!!), and other Senate RINO’s, had 100% of absolutely everything to do with #NeverTrump Bolton’s(!!) appointment.

    You are hyper, ultra, maniacally, focused on the piece of paper that says how it is “supposed” to work. How the system “actually” works is sadly different.

    You can find facts, but you have to move away from your extremely biased, unreasonable, emotional, pro-Bolton take. Step back from your ungrounded personal animus, and look at how Trump’s actual selections treated your cherished Bolton: (1)

    As for Bolton, his “priorities and policies just don’t line up with the president,” Gridley said. “There is no one issue here … they just didn’t align on many issues.”

    Tensions reached a point at which Bolton reportedly was excluded from meetings about the war in Afghanistan, an issue that might otherwise have obviously fallen into the purview of the national security adviser.

    Uniparty shills like CNN and NPR explicitly pointed out the immense chasm between Trump and their establishment partner #NeverTrump Bolton. It is objective fact that Bolton and the President were diametrically opposed on policy. And, that Trump publicly devalued & humiliated your precious Bolton.

    Did you fail to notice that your #NeverTrump Bolton published a book? And, it was primarily about how much he was not on Trump’s team? (2)

    John Bolton excoriated former President Donald Trump as an utterly self-interested man who would punish personal enemies and appease adversaries Russia and China in a new edition of his memoir released on Tuesday.

    “Trump is unfit to be president,” Bolton wrote in the new foreword to “The Room Where it Happened,” his account of the 17 months he spent as Trump’s national security adviser. “If his first four years were bad, a second four will be worse.”

    Your insistence that these mortal enemies were on the same side is mind bogglingly incorrect. Why do you insist on pushing such an unhinged #NeverTrump, pro-Bolton point of view? At some level, you must realize that you are operating far, far outside the bounds of credibility.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.npr.org/2019/09/10/724363700/trump-fires-john-bolton-in-final-break-after-months-of-policy-divisions

    (2) https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2024-01-30/bolton-excoriates-trump-in-fresh-introduction-to-his-memoir

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @A123


    Your insistence that these mortal enemies were on the same side is mind bogglingly incorrect.
     
    I never said that Bolton and Islamotrump were on the same side or were not mortal enemies. I'm only saying that your idol decided to appoint him as a close aide nonetheless, as he did with many other people who had diametrically opposite views to the ones he campaigned on. Based on all we're seeing and hearing from him, it is almost a certainty that he will have the same erratic behavior in the odd chance he wins the elections again. But what can we do? The only remaining alternative is Haley, whom he also nominated nonsensically to a high position in his administration (!). Or, as I reminded you, RFK.

    Replies: @A123

  205. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Barbarossa

    Well, paraphrasing the old joke about politics: "You may not be interested in aliens, but aliens are interested in you".

    If UFOs are here, there are here for a reason.

    I suggest that you just read some basic Sitchin like "12th planet" and leave it at that. Greys, Nordics, it is all bullshit. But Sitchin story may help you understand such unexplained phenomenons like this:

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2386042-astronomers-have-spotted-inexplicably-bright-light-coming-from-the-sun/

    Replies: @QCIC, @Emil Nikola Richard

    I recommend that people be skeptical of any claim that we have a clear idea of what goes on inside the sun or even what goes on inside the Earth. Both of these scientific theories involve long chains of inference with many uncertain steps and huge gaps in observational data. The fun question often boils down to: Are these theories mostly correct, partially correct or largely incorrect? By incorrect I don’t mean simply wrong, but more importantly an incorrect theory can be misleading.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  206. @Mikel
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Haplogroups, especially Y, are better for establishing genealogy.
     
    Well, as I understand it, they put you in a group of people that share a common male ancestor but there's not much actual genealogy there. My Y haplogroup (R1b-L23 if I remember correctly) only tells me that there's hundreds of thousands of people who, like me, descend from some guy who lived thousands of years ago but I still know nothing about actual ancestors in historical times, let alone people related to me today.

    By contrast, my autosomal DNA does allow ancestry.com to tell me which exact person is a close or distant relative and which current population groups I have ancestry from (95% Basque, 4% Spanish and a mysterious 1% Norwegian, according to their latest calculation). I find all this so much more interesting.

    Autosomal DNA also provides a much more accurate proximity relationship between different groups, as I understand it, because two persons sharing the same Y or mtdna haplogroup may have basically no shared ancestry except for that one common ancestor.

    Just remember how AP was insisting that he is a “Wend”
     
    Yes, I found that weird too :-) but well, what do I know?

    Replies: @AP

    Well, as I understand it, they put you in a group of people that share a common male ancestor but there’s not much actual genealogy there. My Y haplogroup (R1b-L23 if I remember correctly) only tells me that there’s hundreds of thousands of people who, like me, descend from some guy who lived thousands of years ago

    It can be narrowed down further, to the Middle Ages in some cases, depending on the kit used. And one can find clusters of people with the same paternal ancestry, to see where they are. This becomes somewhat more meaningful.

    [MORE]

    We had an old family legend in the paternal line of Norse descent, druzhina (retinue of the Rus princes) that came to Kiev from the North and escaped to Galicia ~300 years ago following some political struggles. Found out that the paternal haplogroup was actually Baltic Slav, not Norse. Found no traces in Galicia, a small cluster in Kiev, and large clusters around Novgorod, Pskov (areas of heavy Varangian settlement), with many “hits” in Scandinavia also. So, a partial confirmation of the family legend thanks to the Y haplogroup test.

    But I agree with you that the autosomal DNA also offers a lot, and perhaps more but in a different way. We discovered that my wife’s great-grandfather was a naughty man when he briefly lived in the Balkans 🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    I apologise for not taking better notes a couple of years back, but could you list the two best services that you've used that do a good job of describing who are "naughty" ancestors may have been? Do they do a good job of helping one navigate through the knowledge that they present, or would additional reading be necessary to fully understand this code?

    BTW, I haven't been totally listless and have located some interesting knowledge of my paternal ancestry, including a family crest relating to some higher ups within the hetmanate era (several otamans and osauls), but I'm not at liberty to share this information, as I don't want to dox myself anymore than what I've already revealed. It's not a real common surname, however, a couple of dozen still remain owning it too.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    We discovered that my wife’s great-grandfather was a naughty man when he briefly lived in the Balkans 🙂
     
    Your wife is of partial Balkan descent, descended from an ancient affair that her great-grandfather had?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    , @songbird
    @AP

    Have this theory that r used to feed into K more in the past, when cultural mores made the two more similar.

    Seems like a lot of people have a black sheep in the family, when you go back about three generations. Someone whose marriage doesn't line up with their first child.

  207. @Another Polish Perspective
    Why is no one here talking about the conflict between Zelensky and Zaluzhny? Is the former really liked by soldiers or not? Why Zelenski wants him out? Does Ukraine really needs 500 000 soldiers Zaluzhny said he needs? Why he doesn't want to go? Could be a mutiny waiting?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    Why is no one here talking about the conflict between Zelensky and Zaluzhny?

    I talked about it in the previous thread. The just was that the power struggle in the snake pit between a cokehead and an alcoholic is amusing for the outside observers.

    Why Zelenski wants him out?

    Because he became a dangerous competitor with higher support than the clown.

    Why he doesn’t want to go?

    I talked about that, too. Zaluzhny does not want to go because he knows Ukraine: as soon as he loses control of the military, clown’s gang is going to “suicide” him or eliminate him in some other way. A snake pit is a snake pi.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    A snake pit is a snake pi.
     
    And a janissary remains a janissary. Or as my dear mother taught me:

    *Хрунь був, хруньом лишається
     
    *Хрунь: лайливе прізвисько підлої, продажної людини, запроданця
    translation: An abusive nickname for a mean, corrupt man traitor

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Mykyta_Khrun%27.jpg/800px-Mykyta_Khrun%27.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  208. @AP
    @Mikel


    Well, as I understand it, they put you in a group of people that share a common male ancestor but there’s not much actual genealogy there. My Y haplogroup (R1b-L23 if I remember correctly) only tells me that there’s hundreds of thousands of people who, like me, descend from some guy who lived thousands of years ago
     
    It can be narrowed down further, to the Middle Ages in some cases, depending on the kit used. And one can find clusters of people with the same paternal ancestry, to see where they are. This becomes somewhat more meaningful.



    We had an old family legend in the paternal line of Norse descent, druzhina (retinue of the Rus princes) that came to Kiev from the North and escaped to Galicia ~300 years ago following some political struggles. Found out that the paternal haplogroup was actually Baltic Slav, not Norse. Found no traces in Galicia, a small cluster in Kiev, and large clusters around Novgorod, Pskov (areas of heavy Varangian settlement), with many "hits" in Scandinavia also. So, a partial confirmation of the family legend thanks to the Y haplogroup test.

    But I agree with you that the autosomal DNA also offers a lot, and perhaps more but in a different way. We discovered that my wife's great-grandfather was a naughty man when he briefly lived in the Balkans :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ, @songbird

    I apologise for not taking better notes a couple of years back, but could you list the two best services that you’ve used that do a good job of describing who are “naughty” ancestors may have been? Do they do a good job of helping one navigate through the knowledge that they present, or would additional reading be necessary to fully understand this code?

    BTW, I haven’t been totally listless and have located some interesting knowledge of my paternal ancestry, including a family crest relating to some higher ups within the hetmanate era (several otamans and osauls), but I’m not at liberty to share this information, as I don’t want to dox myself anymore than what I’ve already revealed. It’s not a real common surname, however, a couple of dozen still remain owning it too.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    I apologise for not taking better notes a couple of years back, but could you list the two best services
     
    23andme have a large database so you may find long-lost cousins and ruin family secrets.

    familytreedna is good for deep dives into paternal ancestry.

    A friend of mine does another one that compares your DNA to that of bones from historical grave sites around Europe (such as a market in 15th century Riga, or a Viking burial site, or some Romans). I think its mytrueancestry.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

  209. @A123
    @Mikel

    Nonsense. Mitch McConnell(!!), and other Senate RINO's, had 100% of absolutely everything to do with #NeverTrump Bolton's(!!) appointment.

    You are hyper, ultra, maniacally, focused on the piece of paper that says how it is "supposed" to work. How the system "actually" works is sadly different.

    You can find facts, but you have to move away from your extremely biased, unreasonable, emotional, pro-Bolton take. Step back from your ungrounded personal animus, and look at how Trump's actual selections treated your cherished Bolton: (1)


    As for Bolton, his "priorities and policies just don't line up with the president," Gridley said. "There is no one issue here ... they just didn't align on many issues."
    ...
    Tensions reached a point at which Bolton reportedly was excluded from meetings about the war in Afghanistan, an issue that might otherwise have obviously fallen into the purview of the national security adviser.
     
    Uniparty shills like CNN and NPR explicitly pointed out the immense chasm between Trump and their establishment partner #NeverTrump Bolton. It is objective fact that Bolton and the President were diametrically opposed on policy. And, that Trump publicly devalued & humiliated your precious Bolton.

    Did you fail to notice that your #NeverTrump Bolton published a book? And, it was primarily about how much he was not on Trump's team? (2)


    John Bolton excoriated former President Donald Trump as an utterly self-interested man who would punish personal enemies and appease adversaries Russia and China in a new edition of his memoir released on Tuesday.
    ...
    "Trump is unfit to be president," Bolton wrote in the new foreword to "The Room Where it Happened," his account of the 17 months he spent as Trump's national security adviser. "If his first four years were bad, a second four will be worse."
     
    Your insistence that these mortal enemies were on the same side is mind bogglingly incorrect. Why do you insist on pushing such an unhinged #NeverTrump, pro-Bolton point of view? At some level, you must realize that you are operating far, far outside the bounds of credibility.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.npr.org/2019/09/10/724363700/trump-fires-john-bolton-in-final-break-after-months-of-policy-divisions

    (2) https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2024-01-30/bolton-excoriates-trump-in-fresh-introduction-to-his-memoir

    Replies: @Mikel

    Your insistence that these mortal enemies were on the same side is mind bogglingly incorrect.

    I never said that Bolton and Islamotrump were on the same side or were not mortal enemies. I’m only saying that your idol decided to appoint him as a close aide nonetheless, as he did with many other people who had diametrically opposite views to the ones he campaigned on. Based on all we’re seeing and hearing from him, it is almost a certainty that he will have the same erratic behavior in the odd chance he wins the elections again. But what can we do? The only remaining alternative is Haley, whom he also nominated nonsensically to a high position in his administration (!). Or, as I reminded you, RFK.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikel


    decided to appoint him as a close aide nonetheless, as he did with many other people who had diametrically opposite views
     
    Excellent. You are making progress. Now go to the logical follow-up question:

    -- Why would those with what you admit are diametrically opposite views be selected? --

    • If Trump had full freedom, it is obvious that your #NeverTrump idol John Bolton would never have been picked.
    • Jump to a "realistic" understanding that White House positions were being traded, and the answer become clear. Do you really believe that Trump's #1 pick on the merits for Transportation was Mrs. Mitch McConnell(!!), Elaine Chao?

    Trump did make some genuine mistakes. But, they did not start out as #NeverTrump extremists before Day 1:

    -- Mike Pence betrayed the Constitution and the country by aiding fake election results.
    -- Jeff Sessions did more damage than any other personal alive. That it was due to profound incompetence rather than malice does not change the end result.

    However, the idea that Trump willingly picked your personal idol, John Bolton, is simply insane beyond any hope of acceptance. You have to give up on that level of #NeverTrump TDS bleating. Or, you can help Not-The-President Biden by throwing your vote away on Cornell West. The choice is yours.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  210. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    But, Avdiivka, Bakhmut etc. certainly have a lot in common with Gaza.

     

    Don't forget to mention Mariupol here!

    And worth noting that Gaza is overcrowded as Hell, so it's harder to avoid civilian casualties there relative to Ukraine. If Gaza was more sparsely populated (with a much larger total territory), then likely considerably less Gazan civilians would have gotten killed by Israel.

    Replies: @Beckow, @LondonBob, @A123, @Mikhail

    Don’t forget to mention Mariupol here!

    And worth noting that Gaza is overcrowded as Hell, so it’s harder to avoid civilian casualties there relative to Ukraine. If Gaza was more sparsely populated (with a much larger total territory), then likely considerably less Gazan civilians would have gotten killed by Israel.

    Many and likely most Mariupol residents are pro-Russian. In contrast, not many pro-Israeli Gazans.

    Many Israelis have little if any compassion for Pals. Russians en masse on the other hand distinguish between non-svido Ukrainians and their opposites. Russian military doesn’t seem to implement a Hannibal like directive along the lines of the IDF and Kiev regime.

  211. @AnonfromTN
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Why is no one here talking about the conflict between Zelensky and Zaluzhny?
     
    I talked about it in the previous thread. The just was that the power struggle in the snake pit between a cokehead and an alcoholic is amusing for the outside observers.

    Why Zelenski wants him out?
     
    Because he became a dangerous competitor with higher support than the clown.

    Why he doesn’t want to go?
     
    I talked about that, too. Zaluzhny does not want to go because he knows Ukraine: as soon as he loses control of the military, clown’s gang is going to “suicide” him or eliminate him in some other way. A snake pit is a snake pi.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    A snake pit is a snake pi.

    And a janissary remains a janissary. Or as my dear mother taught me:

    *Хрунь був, хруньом лишається

    *Хрунь: лайливе прізвисько підлої, продажної людини, запроданця
    translation: An abusive nickname for a mean, corrupt man traitor

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    When I was in a kindergarten, we used this kind of argument. Some of us grew up since then…

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  212. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    A snake pit is a snake pi.
     
    And a janissary remains a janissary. Or as my dear mother taught me:

    *Хрунь був, хруньом лишається
     
    *Хрунь: лайливе прізвисько підлої, продажної людини, запроданця
    translation: An abusive nickname for a mean, corrupt man traitor

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/Mykyta_Khrun%27.jpg/800px-Mykyta_Khrun%27.jpg

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    When I was in a kindergarten, we used this kind of argument. Some of us grew up since then…

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    It's not an argument, but a well formed opinion about you, a composite formed of you after having read hundreds of your comments here over several years. You seem to relish the idea of a conquered and divided up Ukraine. You've gone on before about how you dislike Shevchenko and his poetry, a real telltale giveaway that you're Ukrainophobic. Your opinions about Ukrainian culture often reflect those of the Black Hundreds, that were known for burning down Ukrainian libraries and cultural centers:


    The Black Hundred movement actively campaigned against what it considered to be Ukrainian separatism, as well as against promoting Ukrainian culture and language in general, and against the works of Ukrainian poet Taras Shevchenko, in particular.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hundreds

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Sotnja.jpg
    "The bearer of this document is neither a student nor a member of the intelligentsia, and is thus not fit for beating" issued by the "Chief Directorate of Black Hundred".

    You're not in kindergarten anymore, Professor...time to grown up and face your phobias

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234

  213. @Mikel
    @A123


    Your insistence that these mortal enemies were on the same side is mind bogglingly incorrect.
     
    I never said that Bolton and Islamotrump were on the same side or were not mortal enemies. I'm only saying that your idol decided to appoint him as a close aide nonetheless, as he did with many other people who had diametrically opposite views to the ones he campaigned on. Based on all we're seeing and hearing from him, it is almost a certainty that he will have the same erratic behavior in the odd chance he wins the elections again. But what can we do? The only remaining alternative is Haley, whom he also nominated nonsensically to a high position in his administration (!). Or, as I reminded you, RFK.

    Replies: @A123

    decided to appoint him as a close aide nonetheless, as he did with many other people who had diametrically opposite views

    Excellent. You are making progress. Now go to the logical follow-up question:

    — Why would those with what you admit are diametrically opposite views be selected? —

    • If Trump had full freedom, it is obvious that your #NeverTrump idol John Bolton would never have been picked.
    • Jump to a “realistic” understanding that White House positions were being traded, and the answer become clear. Do you really believe that Trump’s #1 pick on the merits for Transportation was Mrs. Mitch McConnell(!!), Elaine Chao?

    Trump did make some genuine mistakes. But, they did not start out as #NeverTrump extremists before Day 1:

    — Mike Pence betrayed the Constitution and the country by aiding fake election results.
    — Jeff Sessions did more damage than any other personal alive. That it was due to profound incompetence rather than malice does not change the end result.

    However, the idea that Trump willingly picked your personal idol, John Bolton, is simply insane beyond any hope of acceptance. You have to give up on that level of #NeverTrump TDS bleating. Or, you can help Not-The-President Biden by throwing your vote away on Cornell West. The choice is yours.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123

    You guys are like American MSM (it is not a complement, mind you): everything about the US is Trump, everything about the rest of the world is Putin.

    I expressed my opinion on Trump in another thread:
    Considering the kind of scum that fears him and what dirty tricks this scum is playing today, there must be something good about Trump.

    In my book, Republican politicians tend to be greedy, stupid, and short-sighted. Democratic politicians tend to be greedy, stupid, short-sighted, and insane. Since we are doomed to have a piece of shit in the White house, I prefer a sane piece of shit without advanced Alzheimer’s.

    Remember Greek myth about king Midas: everything he touched turned to gold. Liberals have an anti-Midas touch: everything they touch turns to shit. Any non-liberal, however flawed, is better than a liberal. I am no fan of Trump, but at least he is not a libtard.

    Replies: @A123, @Mikhail

  214. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Barbarossa

    Well, paraphrasing the old joke about politics: "You may not be interested in aliens, but aliens are interested in you".

    If UFOs are here, there are here for a reason.

    I suggest that you just read some basic Sitchin like "12th planet" and leave it at that. Greys, Nordics, it is all bullshit. But Sitchin story may help you understand such unexplained phenomenons like this:

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2386042-astronomers-have-spotted-inexplicably-bright-light-coming-from-the-sun/

    Replies: @QCIC, @Emil Nikola Richard

  215. Trying to learn a bit more about Indian cinema. One genre I find interesting is the so-called “Pan-Indian film” – made to appeal to the whole country and dubbed in multiple Indian languages – which has been characterized as “glorifying toxic masculinity and the “angry young man” archetype, while suffering from underdeveloped and heavily objectified female characters.”

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Indian_film

    Am only speculating here, but I think that there is a dynamic at play similar to how the most translatable Hollywood movies internationally tend to be action movies.

    But from what I have seen of them, (admittedly very little), these Pan-Indian films are much more masculine than other action movies. For one thing, they seem to have a lot of facial hair. (But perhaps even non-Sikhs have more mustaches and beards?)

    Anyway, it is an interesting paradox, if Indians have the weakest grip strength (has this changed?) but most masculine movies.

  216. @A123
    @Mikel


    decided to appoint him as a close aide nonetheless, as he did with many other people who had diametrically opposite views
     
    Excellent. You are making progress. Now go to the logical follow-up question:

    -- Why would those with what you admit are diametrically opposite views be selected? --

    • If Trump had full freedom, it is obvious that your #NeverTrump idol John Bolton would never have been picked.
    • Jump to a "realistic" understanding that White House positions were being traded, and the answer become clear. Do you really believe that Trump's #1 pick on the merits for Transportation was Mrs. Mitch McConnell(!!), Elaine Chao?

    Trump did make some genuine mistakes. But, they did not start out as #NeverTrump extremists before Day 1:

    -- Mike Pence betrayed the Constitution and the country by aiding fake election results.
    -- Jeff Sessions did more damage than any other personal alive. That it was due to profound incompetence rather than malice does not change the end result.

    However, the idea that Trump willingly picked your personal idol, John Bolton, is simply insane beyond any hope of acceptance. You have to give up on that level of #NeverTrump TDS bleating. Or, you can help Not-The-President Biden by throwing your vote away on Cornell West. The choice is yours.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    You guys are like American MSM (it is not a complement, mind you): everything about the US is Trump, everything about the rest of the world is Putin.

    I expressed my opinion on Trump in another thread:
    Considering the kind of scum that fears him and what dirty tricks this scum is playing today, there must be something good about Trump.

    In my book, Republican politicians tend to be greedy, stupid, and short-sighted. Democratic politicians tend to be greedy, stupid, short-sighted, and insane. Since we are doomed to have a piece of shit in the White house, I prefer a sane piece of shit without advanced Alzheimer’s.

    Remember Greek myth about king Midas: everything he touched turned to gold. Liberals have an anti-Midas touch: everything they touch turns to shit. Any non-liberal, however flawed, is better than a liberal. I am no fan of Trump, but at least he is not a libtard.

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    You guys are like American MSM (it is not a complement, mind you): everything about the US is Trump, everything about the rest of the world is Putin.
     
    I am about MAGA policy. I have even pointed out that this will require multiple administrations, much larger than Trump's 2nd term. Is it too early for Kari Lake 2028?

    Mikel is cult like about personalities all the time. He is willing to burn MAGA and the country to the ground because of his deranged hatred as, "everything is about Trump". I honestly do not understand the extreme zealotry. His #NeverTrump admiration for his personal idol, John Bolton, is unfathomable.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mikhail
    @AnonfromTN

    An example:

    https://www.liherald.com/seaford/stories/my-hats-off-to-nikki-haley,205763?

  217. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    I apologise for not taking better notes a couple of years back, but could you list the two best services that you've used that do a good job of describing who are "naughty" ancestors may have been? Do they do a good job of helping one navigate through the knowledge that they present, or would additional reading be necessary to fully understand this code?

    BTW, I haven't been totally listless and have located some interesting knowledge of my paternal ancestry, including a family crest relating to some higher ups within the hetmanate era (several otamans and osauls), but I'm not at liberty to share this information, as I don't want to dox myself anymore than what I've already revealed. It's not a real common surname, however, a couple of dozen still remain owning it too.

    Replies: @AP

    I apologise for not taking better notes a couple of years back, but could you list the two best services

    23andme have a large database so you may find long-lost cousins and ruin family secrets.

    familytreedna is good for deep dives into paternal ancestry.

    A friend of mine does another one that compares your DNA to that of bones from historical grave sites around Europe (such as a market in 15th century Riga, or a Viking burial site, or some Romans). I think its mytrueancestry.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @AP
    @AP

    The historical one is fun. You upload the stuff form 23andme, and they compare it to various sites. None of the matches are nearly as close as they are to various people living today, but it can tell you if your particular match is closer than that of other users.

    https://mytrueancestry.com



    My friend let me use his user on that one, I matched closer to someone from a Corded Ware site in Germany from 2400 BC than did 95% of users. Other relatively close ones were a Bronze Age Lithuanian guy and a Sarmatian Black Sea person from 50 AD.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    It appears to me that you're advocating three different search firms:

    1) 23andme

    2) familytreedna

    3) mytrueancestry

    Any particular sequential order that you'd recommend, in order to get the most out of all 3 services?

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    FWIW, I haven't used 23andme, but I was able to use Facebook to discover long-lost Jewish paternal relatives of mine. They're descended from my paternal-line Jewish great-great-grandfather's younger brother who moved to the US in the early 20th century. My paternal-line Jewish great-great-grandfather himself tragically got murdered in the Holocaust in 1942, though the son of his that I'm descended from managed to survive the Holocaust by fleeing from Vinnytsia to Volgograd in 1941 and then from Volgograd to Samara Oblast in 1942, where he and his wife spent the remainder of their life, dying at age 88 (he) and 91 (his wife) in 1985 (both of them).

  218. @AnonfromTN
    @A123

    You guys are like American MSM (it is not a complement, mind you): everything about the US is Trump, everything about the rest of the world is Putin.

    I expressed my opinion on Trump in another thread:
    Considering the kind of scum that fears him and what dirty tricks this scum is playing today, there must be something good about Trump.

    In my book, Republican politicians tend to be greedy, stupid, and short-sighted. Democratic politicians tend to be greedy, stupid, short-sighted, and insane. Since we are doomed to have a piece of shit in the White house, I prefer a sane piece of shit without advanced Alzheimer’s.

    Remember Greek myth about king Midas: everything he touched turned to gold. Liberals have an anti-Midas touch: everything they touch turns to shit. Any non-liberal, however flawed, is better than a liberal. I am no fan of Trump, but at least he is not a libtard.

    Replies: @A123, @Mikhail

    You guys are like American MSM (it is not a complement, mind you): everything about the US is Trump, everything about the rest of the world is Putin.

    I am about MAGA policy. I have even pointed out that this will require multiple administrations, much larger than Trump’s 2nd term. Is it too early for Kari Lake 2028?

    Mikel is cult like about personalities all the time. He is willing to burn MAGA and the country to the ground because of his deranged hatred as, “everything is about Trump”. I honestly do not understand the extreme zealotry. His #NeverTrump admiration for his personal idol, John Bolton, is unfathomable.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    I am about MAGA policy.

    So do you agree with the following policies supported by house MAGA Republicans:

    1. Blowing up the border deal and allowing unlimited immigration at the Southern border until Trump is president.

    2. Giving Israel free military aid even though they have a budget surplus and are achieving their military goals with their existing equipment (with about 20% already from the US).

  219. @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    I apologise for not taking better notes a couple of years back, but could you list the two best services
     
    23andme have a large database so you may find long-lost cousins and ruin family secrets.

    familytreedna is good for deep dives into paternal ancestry.

    A friend of mine does another one that compares your DNA to that of bones from historical grave sites around Europe (such as a market in 15th century Riga, or a Viking burial site, or some Romans). I think its mytrueancestry.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    The historical one is fun. You upload the stuff form 23andme, and they compare it to various sites. None of the matches are nearly as close as they are to various people living today, but it can tell you if your particular match is closer than that of other users.

    https://mytrueancestry.com

    [MORE]

    My friend let me use his user on that one, I matched closer to someone from a Corded Ware site in Germany from 2400 BC than did 95% of users. Other relatively close ones were a Bronze Age Lithuanian guy and a Sarmatian Black Sea person from 50 AD.

  220. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    You guys are like American MSM (it is not a complement, mind you): everything about the US is Trump, everything about the rest of the world is Putin.
     
    I am about MAGA policy. I have even pointed out that this will require multiple administrations, much larger than Trump's 2nd term. Is it too early for Kari Lake 2028?

    Mikel is cult like about personalities all the time. He is willing to burn MAGA and the country to the ground because of his deranged hatred as, "everything is about Trump". I honestly do not understand the extreme zealotry. His #NeverTrump admiration for his personal idol, John Bolton, is unfathomable.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I am about MAGA policy.

    So do you agree with the following policies supported by house MAGA Republicans:

    1. Blowing up the border deal and allowing unlimited immigration at the Southern border until Trump is president.

    2. Giving Israel free military aid even though they have a budget surplus and are achieving their military goals with their existing equipment (with about 20% already from the US).

  221. Gender gap increases even further in favor of Biden
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/new-poll-biden-opens-lead-on-trump-thanks-to-huge-lead-with-women/ar-BB1hBFaA

    Women would elect Biden and the gender gap is getting worse.

    How will this get better when the documents case has the most evidence against Trump?

    Haley holds 13 point lead over Biden in latest poll:
    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4444133-haley-holds-13-point-lead-over-biden-in-new-head-to-head-poll/

    So Haley crushes Biden and Trump is losing women.

    I guess he needs to get out and grab some pussies.

  222. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...Gaza is overcrowded as Hell, so it’s harder to avoid civilian casualties there relative to Ukraine
     
    Riiiight. So it is actually the Palis fault - they live too close to each other. Damn natives, don't even know how to spread out, they are too easy to kill.

    With that, if Russia goes ape-shit on Kiev - very densely populated - they can match Israel's numbers. It is good to know that you approve....:) (It really is a clown's world.)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    With that, if Russia goes ape-shit on Kiev – very densely populated – they can match Israel’s numbers. It is good to know that you approve….:) (It really is a clown’s world.)

    Russia going apeshit on Kiev would be similar to Ukraine going apeshit on the Donbass, which is also very densely populated in its urban areas.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ

    Similar, but not the same...Kiev is quite a bit bigger and Russia outranks Ukies in the heavy weapons department. Sounds like you can't wait...I am slowly moving there too, what the hell are we holding on to? The apeshit show could cut this interminable story, it has been going on for far too long.

  223. @John Johnson
    @Sean

    Yes , it is so incredibly obvious; what with the old gang having been so strongly supportive of Israel, which all can see is getting zero support from Washington at present.

    Jews and non-Jews are both divided on Israel.

    Bernie Sanders is Jewish and yet is more supportive of restrictions against Israel than Biden.

    Non-Jewish MAGA house Republicans are some of Israel's biggest supporters.

    They in fact want to give Israel military aid even though it hasn't been requested.

    Nothing is obvious when it comes to DC support of Israel. It's a common but false assumption at Unz that Jews in congress are unified in their support of Israel. The most reliable supporters of Israel are MAGA Republicans in the house. They are in agreement on military aid for Israel but argue over Ukraine aid on the basis of putting America first. I can back that with data if you would like. Evangelical conservatives have been stronger backers of Israel than secular Jews. That has been a consistent pattern for years. The Rapture Ready(tm) crowd was lining up for Israel military aid before we even knew what happened on Oct 7.

    So no I don't take any assumptions on Neocons as fact. I want to see names, quotes and what exactly makes someone a Neocon when the movement ended years ago. If anyone means Jew then say Jew. I base my opinions on actual voting records and not "blah blah Neocon world order so obvious". No it isn't obvious when some MAGA Texan is arguing with a Jew over aid for Israel. Big Jewish Conspiracy does not exist if they don't have every Jew in DC on board but they do have these small town Rapture Ready MAGA cult members. For the record I don't support Hamas and I also don't support free military aid to Israel.

    Replies: @Sean

    Jews and non-Jews are both divided on Israel

    Neocons are not.

    Bernie Sanders is Jewish and yet is more supportive of restrictions against Israel than Biden.

    Sanders is not a neocon.

    I want to see names, quotes and what exactly makes someone a Neocon

    You have just given the criterion; relatively unqualified support for Israel

    So no I don’t take any assumptions on Neocons as fact.

    I think the direction of US policy was changed by the neocons and as long as
    mainstream politicos are for Israel right or wrong, or put it another way they do not dare meaningfully pressurize it, the neocon movement is alive and well. Not dead like you said.

    Big Jewish Conspiracy does not exist if they don’t have every Jew in DC on board but they do have these small town Rapture Ready MAGA cult members.

    That’s all very interesting, but I would say devotion to Israel is the signature policy of neocons. One might mention the US ignoring the large number of deaths in Gaza and the sacking of Claudine Gay; these are the kind of pro Israel successes that are the raison d’etre of the neocon movement.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Sean


    Jews and non-Jews are both divided on Israel
     
    Neocons are not.

    There doesn't seem to a consistent definition of Neocon here.

    Would you like to define it for us? Along with some names?

    I think the direction of US policy was changed by the neocons and as long as
    mainstream politicos are for Israel right or wrong, or put it another way they do not dare meaningfully pressurize it, the neocon movement is alive and well. Not dead like you said.

    The political textbook definition of a Neocon describes a movement in the past. A political ideology led by philosopher Leo Strauss that peaked during the GWB administration and has since declined. Its leading members are no longer involved in politics.

    So please explain this Neocon movement if the textbooks are wrong.

    If you look at actual voting records the most pro-Israel contingent of congress is Evangelical Christian. Their most prominent members overlap with MAGA. You don't deny this, correct?

    Why is there so much focus on the nebulous "neocon" when Evangelical MAGA House members are the most pro-Israel? The term doesn't accurately describe Israel's top US supporters in congress.

    The pro-Israel Republicans are in fact splitting out Israel aid because it is a higher priority for them than Ukraine or the border:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-plans-vote-on-standalone-israel-aid-bill-next-week-johnson-says/ar-BB1hJ5aI

    As a reminder there was no request from Israel for this package. This is something the MAGA house Republicans are passing on their own. The secular Jews in congress are more supportive of Ukraine than this house bill.

    Replies: @Sean

  224. @Barbarossa
    @Kali El

    Congrats. That link was way more factual than I had any expectation of when I clicked on it.

    Just throwing it out there as an interesting article or are you going somewhere specific with it?

    Replies: @Kali El

    Lol, yeah, well people on this website like to see themselves as the reddist of pilled because Ron runs such a well-made ultra free speech haven–so I wanted to hand them the reddist of red pills.

  225. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    With that, if Russia goes ape-shit on Kiev – very densely populated – they can match Israel’s numbers. It is good to know that you approve….:) (It really is a clown’s world.)

     

    Russia going apeshit on Kiev would be similar to Ukraine going apeshit on the Donbass, which is also very densely populated in its urban areas.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Similar, but not the same…Kiev is quite a bit bigger and Russia outranks Ukies in the heavy weapons department. Sounds like you can’t wait…I am slowly moving there too, what the hell are we holding on to? The apeshit show could cut this interminable story, it has been going on for far too long.

  226. @AP
    @Beckow


    “Leverage to balance” is control by the Anglos – at least pretend to a neutral language.
     
    Anglos can influence, but they are too far to control. Russians and Germans pose a greater danger of controlling.

    Crimea and Donbas are Russian ethnically and it was a mistake to attach them to Ukraine.
     
    Maybe. Was it also a mistake to include Sudetenland and the Hungarian-inhabited territories in Czechoslovakia?

    Rest of Ukraine: Russia wants to prevent any danger from there – they are creating a wide buffer zone.
     
    Who is to stop them from deciding that the former Warsaw Pact should also be a buffer zone? To limit problems in Ukraine.

    80% of people in Belarus declare Russian as their native language – they have lived together for 1,000 years, same religion, mentality.
     
    Ignorance as usual. What 1000 years? Belarus was part of Lithuania from 1242 until 1793 - 500 years.

    Baltic mini-states have 25-30% Russian minorities who have lived there for generations. If the Balts simply treated them like equal citizens with normal Euro rights there would be no problems. If they don’t there will be – but how is that an “empire”?
     
    This is the justification Russian imperialists would use to conquer the Baltics and add them to their Empire.

    You like to make excuses but the bottom line is that Russians are building a neo-Russian Empire. Is it in Germany's or Central Europe's interests to border a massive neo-Russian Empire? Or is it better to prevent it from forming? Doing so can be done most cheaply and most quickly in Ukraine.

    Poland?
     
    Poland will defend the Baltics and is arming for it.

    Russian Empire included Central Asia…It is a Eurasian Empire.

    So? What’s wrong with Central Asia?
     
    Nothing is wrong with Central Asia. Did I say something was?

    You mentioned poor Russian demographics and I pointed out that the demographics of Central Asia are healthy, with an increasing population. Thus the population of Eurasia (including Russia) is increasing.

    You racism is sickening...why your obsessive hatred
     
    I said nothing bad about Central Asia. It's people are comparable to Mexicans in some ways. You've already revealed that you dislike Mexicans. If Mexicans were moderate Muslims they would be a lot like Central Asians.

    You've just been caught projecting your own racism, Beckow.

    It really isn't surprising. Slovakia was Hitler's most loyal servant among all the western and eastern Slavs. Your mask slipped.

    Russia is a Euroasian country and has been for 400 years
     
    Much longer than that, but we already know that you don't know history.

    There is nothing wrong for Russia and the rest of Eurasia to develop together and build their Eurasia. I just want my European homeland (and that of the Baltic peoples) to stay out of it. Not because I hate it, because it is foreign to us.

    You should worry instead about Mestizos beating up your cops
     
    LOL, says the guy accusing others of racism.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    …Was it also a mistake to include Sudetenland and the Hungarian-inhabited territories in Czechoslovakia?

    Possibly, but we fixed it and Kiev is not able to. Big difference. It was also looong time ago…

    Who is to stop them from deciding that the former Warsaw Pact should also be a buffer zone?

    Not who, but what – the basic rationality, most people don’t say or do stupid stuff. That is a skill that you Galician-Polo-Ukies seem to be missing.

    Belarus was part of Lithuania from 1242 until 1793 – 500 years….

    Sure. Looks like you forgot to take your pill again…this autism thing can be a b…tch.

    I just want my European homeland (and that of the Baltic peoples) to stay out of it.

    We don’t always get what we want. You missed that boat with the stupid behavior post-Maidan, you know the whole ‘kill the Russkies!!!’ (you bombed them for years) and the Nato thing. Your Heimat will be smaller, but look at the bright side: it will be an all Euro Heimat with no damn Asiatic people – that is until the Brussels bosses decide to ship some to you. With the millions who left and died there will be a lot of empty space.

    Mestizos? You know that could be a generic term, all those urban Western Euros are starting to look kind of the same: shortish, chunky, swarthy and hirsute. That’s the new Euro look, you may have to get used to it…:)

    The Balts are even better, they have managed to drop their population by 30% even without a war. All for a “Euro” Heimat.

  227. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    When I was in a kindergarten, we used this kind of argument. Some of us grew up since then…

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    It’s not an argument, but a well formed opinion about you, a composite formed of you after having read hundreds of your comments here over several years. You seem to relish the idea of a conquered and divided up Ukraine. You’ve gone on before about how you dislike Shevchenko and his poetry, a real telltale giveaway that you’re Ukrainophobic. Your opinions about Ukrainian culture often reflect those of the Black Hundreds, that were known for burning down Ukrainian libraries and cultural centers:

    The Black Hundred movement actively campaigned against what it considered to be Ukrainian separatism, as well as against promoting Ukrainian culture and language in general, and against the works of Ukrainian poet Taras Shevchenko, in particular.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hundreds

    “The bearer of this document is neither a student nor a member of the intelligentsia, and is thus not fit for beating” issued by the “Chief Directorate of Black Hundred”.

    You’re not in kindergarten anymore, Professor…time to grown up and face your phobias

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Hack, your Slavic blood feud outlook has disrupted your ability to understand what you read. You are stuck in a world with one question, which might as well be "Is he a Hatfield or a McCoy?"

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    You’ve gone on before about how you dislike Shevchenko and his poetry,
     
    For about 99.99% of Ukrops Shevchenko is not their favourite poet . You think ukrops believe Shevchenko is anywhere near Pushkin in quality? Russian poets and writers directly connect to their mentality, "soul", culture. No sane person thinks these great Russian writers were "imposed" on them

    Shevchenko and his poetry, a real telltale giveaway that you’re Ukrainophobic.
     
    Shevchenko was Ukrainophobic.......its absolutely clear in his writings that he did not consider Galician retards as the same people as him i.e Uniates not "Ukrainian", and that the geographic cossack land is from the Dniester to the Dnieper (or the Don, can't remember). Maybe the so-called folk saying of "Ukraine is from the San to the Don" is another piece of ukronazi fakism designed to coverup what was the actual belief at the time?
    Clear that if you filter through all the schizophrenic, contradictory stuff ( typical for "Ukrainianism" ) that Shevchenko did consider himself Russian.

    All this is hilarious because in Ukrainian "culture", Lesya "Ukrainka" is from Rusyn heritage and either Russian or something else on her fathers side - and her mother is supposed to have been a wakjob from a Russian speaking family and with a Russian speaking husband........imposing strict fake mova-only rules on her children , "Vovchuk"- a Russian (WTF is it with these fake names?) , Gogol -considered himself Russian and wrote only in Russian, Franko was Rusyn and something else....zero Ukronazi blood in him, Bulgakov- LOL. There's others also. None of them actually true"Ukrainian"- the closest being Gogol. With the exception of Franko all all them from the Tsarist side of what is now "Ukraine" - which is very indicative itself. Shevchenko did this from serfdom, i.e he is entire creation of Russian elite that bought him out from serfdom, further educated him, promoted him, paid him, printed him etc. As far as I know Shevchenko never even went to Galicia or Volynia

    What's more important is that in this era, ALL of them would be on Mirotvorets list.

    Historical myth of khokholism is descended from RUSSIAN Tsarist liberasts of the time historians as Milyukov, Klyuchevsky, Kostomarov and several others. Grushevsky only turned this nonsense into total pseudoscience later on with Austrian money. Main ukrop idealist "nationalist" is a freak with the "typical" Ukrainian name of........Dmitry Dontsov ,ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!

    The biggest Ukrainophiles.....were the Communists. All these writers I mentioned, ALL only became of part mass "Ukrainian" national consciousness ONLY because of the Bolsheviks who mass promoted them. Writers were promoted for perceived victim of Tsarist repression and particularly for most of them as Franko and Ukrainka........because of perceived Communist ideology. Ukronazi linkage only became a byproduct of the socialist ideals or anti-tsarism.
    Shevchenko is now solely an anti-Russian, not pro-Ukraine project. This is very appropriate as there is no existant thing as "pro-Ukraine", the entire state, the entire thing is an anti-Russia freakshow.

    Liberast, bored Russians were the genesis of "Ukrainianism", Hapsburg and polish dickheads were the ignition of it.........and Communists were the fuel, and the glue of Ukrainianism. The drug addict (((Zelensky))) and his accompanying gang of scum are the jagged-edge dildo of Ukrainianism.

    Who the Ukrainaphobes are though is clear........its the nutjob self-loathing, acting homo all day in the kriyivka without taking a bath-Ukrainian "nationalist" who is Ukrainophobe. LOL. They always required the ukrop idea to be about peasant civilisation, village mentality with preserved slavic traditions.......this though make them self-conscious about thinking how simple and stupid they are, and is completely incompatible with their delusions of grandeur of part of "great European civilisation" with Michelangelo, Shakespeare, Kant, da Vinci etc. So simultaneously they despise Ukrainian "culture" but promote it. Communists of course were so interlocked with promoting the peasant civilisation in Malrossiya across the centuries - so they hate Communists FOR their promotion of ukrainian national identity!!

    All so ridiculous. I suspect the great film Wedding at Malinovka is banned from being shown in 404 by the Ukronazis since 2014 - precisely because of the issues I mentioned in the previous paragraph. If not officially banned I would guess that unofficially they refuse to show it, and other Soviet films of that type.


    Black Hundreds, that were known for burning down Ukrainian libraries and cultural centers:
     
    Over-exaggerated drivel, Hack. Facts are that large majority of "Ukrainians" rejected the idea of any Ukraine - partly also explains one of the reasons Petliura lasted about 3 seconds in Kiev before thrown out.

    Across the large Russian world there are going to be varying cultural aspects......but absolutely none of them merit classification into different people or culture. Most of those small cultural difference in song, dress, food or whatever became so mixed into Russian world - even as far as the Arctic and Far East there is ukrop cultural influence - that it's impossible to separate into 2 different peoples. India has several different language, and the women in the north were their one-piece dress draped in a different direction to those from the South, different religions across it.......but its still clear to everyone that these are all Indian people and shouldn't be living in different nations. Texans are extremely different to New Yorkers in how they act and mentality, food specialities too probably.........but they clearly part of same nation. Russians and even the biggest difference in Ukrainian culture are a million times LESS than those in India or the Texas-New York thing I mentioned.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Philip Owen

  228. @AP
    @Another Polish Perspective

    I didn't. It was just the very narrow paternal ancestry. Interesting trivia, but a tiny % overall. Some Baltic Slav who went adventuring with the Rus and settled in East Slavic lands in the Middle Ages. How would that make me a "Wend?"

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    You claimed that “Wends” were somehow real, and not just some German name for Western Slavs.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Wend is sometimes used as the name for the specific group of western Slavs who had once lived in what is now northeast Germany. That’s how it was used by the specialists who determined that my specific Y-DNA haplogroup could be traced to those people.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wends

    Wends (Old English: Winedas [ˈwi.ne.dɑs]; Old Norse: Vindar; German: Wenden [ˈvɛn.dn̩], Winden [ˈvɪn.dn̩]; Danish: Vendere; Swedish: Vender; Polish: Wendowie, Czech: Wendové) is a historical name for Slavs who inhabited present-day northeast Germany

    ::::::::

    You are confused because this word is also used to refer to all Western Slavs.

  229. @AnonfromTN
    @A123

    You guys are like American MSM (it is not a complement, mind you): everything about the US is Trump, everything about the rest of the world is Putin.

    I expressed my opinion on Trump in another thread:
    Considering the kind of scum that fears him and what dirty tricks this scum is playing today, there must be something good about Trump.

    In my book, Republican politicians tend to be greedy, stupid, and short-sighted. Democratic politicians tend to be greedy, stupid, short-sighted, and insane. Since we are doomed to have a piece of shit in the White house, I prefer a sane piece of shit without advanced Alzheimer’s.

    Remember Greek myth about king Midas: everything he touched turned to gold. Liberals have an anti-Midas touch: everything they touch turns to shit. Any non-liberal, however flawed, is better than a liberal. I am no fan of Trump, but at least he is not a libtard.

    Replies: @A123, @Mikhail

  230. @AnonfromTN
    @Gerard1234


    I would guess Bashar Al-Assad has close to zero name recognition in the west now, even though he was probably one of the top 10 names in the world from 2010-14.
     
    Mentioning Assad in the West is now politically incorrect. Fact is, all Western scum that kept repeating “Assad must go” is gone, whereas Assad not only remains an undisputed leader of Syria, but is in a much stronger position internally and internationally than he was back then. As the West cannot acknowledge an abject failure of its idiotic policies, the only viable strategy for Western propaganda is to pretend that he does not exist.

    Replies: @Mikel, @Wielgus

    It also points to the limited memory span of much of the Western media audience.

  231. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    It's not an argument, but a well formed opinion about you, a composite formed of you after having read hundreds of your comments here over several years. You seem to relish the idea of a conquered and divided up Ukraine. You've gone on before about how you dislike Shevchenko and his poetry, a real telltale giveaway that you're Ukrainophobic. Your opinions about Ukrainian culture often reflect those of the Black Hundreds, that were known for burning down Ukrainian libraries and cultural centers:


    The Black Hundred movement actively campaigned against what it considered to be Ukrainian separatism, as well as against promoting Ukrainian culture and language in general, and against the works of Ukrainian poet Taras Shevchenko, in particular.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hundreds

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Sotnja.jpg
    "The bearer of this document is neither a student nor a member of the intelligentsia, and is thus not fit for beating" issued by the "Chief Directorate of Black Hundred".

    You're not in kindergarten anymore, Professor...time to grown up and face your phobias

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234

    Hack, your Slavic blood feud outlook has disrupted your ability to understand what you read. You are stuck in a world with one question, which might as well be “Is he a Hatfield or a McCoy?”

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    I have no Slavic blood feud (both Poles and Russians have been a part of my family). My feud is of a political nature. I support those Ukrainians fighting a defensive war and am against those who are supporting Russia's imperialist war of expansion. You, on the other hand, appear to be an appeaser willing to countenance any Russian bad behavior only because Russia has nuclear weapons. Taken to the extreme, the whole world should bend in any direction towards Russia only to appease any desire that the Russian imperialists favor at any given time.

    Replies: @QCIC

  232. @Another Polish Perspective
    @AP

    You claimed that "Wends" were somehow real, and not just some German name for Western Slavs.

    Replies: @AP

    Wend is sometimes used as the name for the specific group of western Slavs who had once lived in what is now northeast Germany. That’s how it was used by the specialists who determined that my specific Y-DNA haplogroup could be traced to those people.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wends

    Wends (Old English: Winedas [ˈwi.ne.dɑs]; Old Norse: Vindar; German: Wenden [ˈvɛn.dn̩], Winden [ˈvɪn.dn̩]; Danish: Vendere; Swedish: Vender; Polish: Wendowie, Czech: Wendové) is a historical name for Slavs who inhabited present-day northeast Germany

    ::::::::

    You are confused because this word is also used to refer to all Western Slavs.

  233. @Another Polish Perspective
    Why is no one here talking about the conflict between Zelensky and Zaluzhny? Is the former really liked by soldiers or not? Why Zelenski wants him out? Does Ukraine really needs 500 000 soldiers Zaluzhny said he needs? Why he doesn't want to go? Could be a mutiny waiting?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    Why is no one here talking about the conflict between Zelensky and Zaluzhny?

    I mentioned this the other day. Anyway its just the standard ukronazi circus/nuthouse on nearly every thing in public official life. 2 different failures trying to eliminate eachother first. At least 20 years of this constant nonsense, only difference is this is in political-military field which was of course much less prominent 20, 30 years before than now.

    Does Ukraine really needs 500 000 soldiers Zaluzhny said he needs?

    What type of stupid question is that. Of course they do in this annihilation you clown. The actual question is if they can provided this number of cannon fodder.

    Could be a mutiny waiting?

    Too many slaves/lemmings to make this likely. Either way 404 loses very badly, but things would be accelerated if a Akhmad Kadyrov type of personality does get out from the VSU structure and accumulates enough support from former VSU to fight against them. Very unlikely because this would require tens of thousands of men……….and with the amount of control the western powers have over this military ( so completely different with Chechens) , all the coercive weapons they can use (bribery, giving wife and children mansion and education in west, top doctors etc), all the preventative methods they have to stop this from happening before enough personnel accumulated would make it possible etc. Unfortunate, as without the total western control all the conditions are there for several Akhmad Kadyrov’s to emerge.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Gerard1234

    I know I've complained about the circular discussions here regarding the Ukraine war before, but I just wanted to say, at this point, this war has honestly been almost certainly the most sombre tragedy humanity has produced since WWII. Just such a disgusting waste. Two formerly united peoples mutually dragging each other down into the abyss, and even bringing down much of Europe with them.

    It does honestly look from my vantage point that Ukraine is approaching the point of being crushed, whilst the Ukrainian ethnicity itself is facing extinction in the medium from the economic effects of the war. When the Gaza war broke out around the time Ukraine's offensive was floundering, I was suprised myself by own level of disgust (despite not at all being a partisan of Ukraine's quixotic war) when here in the west the entire media focus shifted overnight. I noticed the Ukraine flags that had been hoisted on public buildings quiely being taken down everywhere around October/November last year. Poor Ukrainians really believed American support would be unconditional, when in reality as soon as the momentum had turned against them, and Russia sufficiently bled, they were simply abandoned overnight, realising they were cannon fodder all along.

    But at the same time this war has truly reveiled the bankruptcy of Russia's government, the fact that they're now looking to carve some kind of pyrrhic victory in some kind of frozen conflict resolution doesn't change the fact this war has been a total fiasco for Russia also. Even as a relative outside observer this entire saga has just been incredibly depressing... but imagine being Karlin, investing your entire identity and future career into remigrating to Russia as a "Russian Nationalist" (was never sure what degree of trolling was involved, the average Russian nationalist would beat him up as a чурка, just bizarre) and having a live mental breakdown becoming a tranny advocate. Whatever.

    Meanwhile Central Asia continues to phase out Russian, cultivating national identities that for the most part never even existed prior to Soviet patronage. The state of Armenia looks poised for extermination this century. Europe, the US and Oceania are having their populations replaced in large part by ethnicities that never would have left the middle ages if not for European contact. Cultural output of any lasting worth seems to be collapsing everywhere. Perhaps I'm just in a very poor state of mind recently for personal reasons unrelated to all of this, such is this schpiel more typical of German_Reader. But I'm really struggling to see any source of optimism for the short to medium future for the world as a whole.

    eh

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @Gerard1234, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @AnonfromTN, @Derer

    , @Mikhail
    @Gerard1234

    CNN utilized hack Mick Ryan downplayed the Zaluzhny-Zelensky spat as something normal among democracies in armed conflict. He had a different spin regarding Prigozhin's foolish move. Such is the hypocrisy along the lines of Iran can't arm folks opposing US troops, while it's okay for Western governments to actively support fatal action against Russians. "Rules based international order".

    Earlier on in the SMO, I noted how the mood in Chechnya noticeably changed, noting that such is (down the line) possible within Kiev regime controlled Ukraine.

    Replies: @AP

  234. Would the NFL have more brown-eyed quarterbacks, if there were no night games?

  235. Would like AK to do a post where he explores what gene mods he would give his clone.

    Assume he would eliminate wisdom teeth, like in some Eskimo.

    I’d like to think he would add bigmouth buffalo genes for longevity. But maybe that would require becoming some sort of fishman like in Shadow Out of Innsmouth

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigmouth_buffalo

    …don’t know if it is true, but I heard pigs have holes in the skull to allow for increased vasculature to cool their brains, so they can run hotter and be smarter.

    Would it be worth making your clone shorter, if he lived longer?

  236. Have any of the crypto-Indians here seen Baahubali (2015)?

    Probably shouldn’t have been multitasking when I watched it, but it made me a bit confused:

    Why was the army of the bad guys in blackface? Was it supposed to be warpaint (and on the arms), or were they supposed to be Dravidians?

    Anyway, it is cool they can be that politically incorrect, whatever the case.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    Baahubali is one of the names of Lord Shiva.

    So yes it's a literal movie about TND.

    https://www.jatland.com/home/Origin_of_Jats_from_Shiva%27s_Locks#Daksha.27s_sacrifice_by_Virabhadra

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibcvWT7KQQ


    "Like we boil milk for a long time, boil it all day, and then let it settle to curdle. Even when it curdles, we do not let it be. We now churn it. Then what happens? The butter floats to the top and pure butter milk is left behind. In this way, from all the creeds that make up Hinduism, the Khalsa, like the butter that is churned out [of milk], has been extracted and revealed by the great king [Guru Gobind Singh]. That truth which is 'Sanatan', from the time the earth and skies were created and mankind came into being, it has been made manifest."
     
    https://www.shastarvidiya.org/articles/misunderstandings.html

    One of my friends from the Karlin server randomly said he started wearing a Pagg & keeping his Kesh (hair on head).

    Asked why?

    He said "Reminds me to walk with Sovereign Posture" (like a King)

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  237. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Hack, your Slavic blood feud outlook has disrupted your ability to understand what you read. You are stuck in a world with one question, which might as well be "Is he a Hatfield or a McCoy?"

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I have no Slavic blood feud (both Poles and Russians have been a part of my family). My feud is of a political nature. I support those Ukrainians fighting a defensive war and am against those who are supporting Russia’s imperialist war of expansion. You, on the other hand, appear to be an appeaser willing to countenance any Russian bad behavior only because Russia has nuclear weapons. Taken to the extreme, the whole world should bend in any direction towards Russia only to appease any desire that the Russian imperialists favor at any given time.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Mr. Hack, wrong as usual.

    I object to the Ukrainian war of choice against Russia. The details of this mess are slightly subtle and apparently half of the Unz crowd is too dumb to recognize what has happened or maybe just too crazy to accept it. The West has used Ukraine as a proxy to fight Russia as a continuation of the Cold War and the Great Game before that. This is just another case of a bully (the West) trying to kill the next strongest player (Russia) or beat him into submission. This sort of thing has been going on throughout human history. In this case it is driven by power lust and fear and is completely immoral. Because of modern technology this type of conflict is much more dangerous for all of us than in times past. Technology is created through the exercise of creative brainpower so one can hope that people would be sensible enough to avoid conflicts such as exists in Ukraine. Unfortunately that is not how humans behave.

    The Ukrainian people were an easy mark for the West. Tribal sympathies such as yours as well as the actual blood feud-level angst and energy of NeoNazi Ukrainians make it easy for Western influences to lead Ukies to their pointless deaths.

    I am all for retaining and remembering our unique cultural histories which explain how we came to be. I am against murderous stupidity such as the West has nurtured in Ukraine and you wholeheartedly support.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Derer

  238. Wendsis a historical name for Slavs who inhabited present-day northeast Germany

    It is not limited to north-east Germany. The historic description Windisch was applied in the German-speaking area to all Slavic languages (confer Wends in Germania ) and in particular to the Slovene spoken in southern Austria until the 19th century.

    • Replies: @AP
    @WS


    Wendsis a historical name for Slavs who inhabited present-day northeast Germany

    It is not limited to north-east Germany. The historic description Windisch was applied in the German-speaking area to all Slavic languages (confer Wends in Germania ) and in particular to the Slovene spoken in southern Austria until the 19th century.
     
    I didn't make up the definition, I repeated it.

    In some sources it is only used to apply to various Slavic groups but it is also used to apply specifically to the ones in what is now northeastern Germany.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendish_Crusade

    "The Wends were made up of the Slavic tribes of Abrotrites, Rani, Liutizians, Wagarians, and Pomeranians who lived east of the River Elbe in present-day northeast Germany and Poland"
  239. @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    I apologise for not taking better notes a couple of years back, but could you list the two best services
     
    23andme have a large database so you may find long-lost cousins and ruin family secrets.

    familytreedna is good for deep dives into paternal ancestry.

    A friend of mine does another one that compares your DNA to that of bones from historical grave sites around Europe (such as a market in 15th century Riga, or a Viking burial site, or some Romans). I think its mytrueancestry.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    It appears to me that you’re advocating three different search firms:

    1) 23andme

    2) familytreedna

    3) mytrueancestry

    Any particular sequential order that you’d recommend, in order to get the most out of all 3 services?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    I would start with 23andme (I think ancestry.com is similar).

  240. @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC

    I have no Slavic blood feud (both Poles and Russians have been a part of my family). My feud is of a political nature. I support those Ukrainians fighting a defensive war and am against those who are supporting Russia's imperialist war of expansion. You, on the other hand, appear to be an appeaser willing to countenance any Russian bad behavior only because Russia has nuclear weapons. Taken to the extreme, the whole world should bend in any direction towards Russia only to appease any desire that the Russian imperialists favor at any given time.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Mr. Hack, wrong as usual.

    I object to the Ukrainian war of choice against Russia. The details of this mess are slightly subtle and apparently half of the Unz crowd is too dumb to recognize what has happened or maybe just too crazy to accept it. The West has used Ukraine as a proxy to fight Russia as a continuation of the Cold War and the Great Game before that. This is just another case of a bully (the West) trying to kill the next strongest player (Russia) or beat him into submission. This sort of thing has been going on throughout human history. In this case it is driven by power lust and fear and is completely immoral. Because of modern technology this type of conflict is much more dangerous for all of us than in times past. Technology is created through the exercise of creative brainpower so one can hope that people would be sensible enough to avoid conflicts such as exists in Ukraine. Unfortunately that is not how humans behave.

    The Ukrainian people were an easy mark for the West. Tribal sympathies such as yours as well as the actual blood feud-level angst and energy of NeoNazi Ukrainians make it easy for Western influences to lead Ukies to their pointless deaths.

    I am all for retaining and remembering our unique cultural histories which explain how we came to be. I am against murderous stupidity such as the West has nurtured in Ukraine and you wholeheartedly support.

    • Agree: Derer
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @QCIC


    I object to the Ukrainian war of choice against Russia.
     
    The only choice that the Ukrainians have is to fight to defend their borders and country or to sumit cowardly to Russia's invasion of imperiaistic submission. Is this really a choice?

    The West has used Ukraine as a proxy to fight Russia as a continuation of the Cold War and the Great Game before that.
     
    I'll agree that there's something to this point of view. But you've failed to reveal the other side of this very same coin, that Ukraine has "used" the US to help it wage its defensive war against Russia too. So, what we have are two sides that share similar goals (the curtailment of Russia's imperialistic desires) and for similar reasons. That's how alliances are formed.

    The Ukrainian people were an easy mark for the West.
     
    Is it the Ukrainians fault that Russia provided this opportunity for the West, by trying to use its brutal and clumsy efforts of aggrandizement against Ukraine? What did you expect, that Ukraine was not going to appeal to the West, especially the US that was a signatory to the Budapest Memorandum?

    Tribal sympathies such as yours as well as the actual blood feud-level angst and energy of NeoNazi Ukrainians make it easy for Western influences to lead Ukies to their pointless deaths.
     
    Defending nation/state boundaries that are governed by international law, are not the subject matter of "blood feuds". Wake up and expeience the 21st century. Your weak attempt at trying to paint an analogy including the "Hatfields & McCoys", shows how really incompetent you are at analyzing the reality of the situation.

    I am against murderous stupidity such as Russia has nurtured in Ukraine and you wholeheartedly support.

    , @Derer
    @QCIC

    I agree with your post and you are right about the shallow illiterate, being wrong by contradicting his own arguments. He likes Slavs but in the next thought he hates Slavs.

    Ukraine would not be in this disastrous unwinnable situation if the Ami-Anglo Imperialists (headquarters in Washington), and their useful idiots, would not use Ukraine in their cowardly goal to destroy "disobedient" Russia. They almost succeeded in 90's with constant kicking the wounded dog recovering from 75 years of communist tyranny.

    The Ami-Anglo Imperialists have no guts to start a direct attack on Russia (that would mean their end) but by using sheep of Ukraine led by foreign puppet.

    Replies: @A123

  241. @Gerard1234
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Why is no one here talking about the conflict between Zelensky and Zaluzhny?
     
    I mentioned this the other day. Anyway its just the standard ukronazi circus/nuthouse on nearly every thing in public official life. 2 different failures trying to eliminate eachother first. At least 20 years of this constant nonsense, only difference is this is in political-military field which was of course much less prominent 20, 30 years before than now.

    Does Ukraine really needs 500 000 soldiers Zaluzhny said he needs?
     
    What type of stupid question is that. Of course they do in this annihilation you clown. The actual question is if they can provided this number of cannon fodder.

    Could be a mutiny waiting?
     
    Too many slaves/lemmings to make this likely. Either way 404 loses very badly, but things would be accelerated if a Akhmad Kadyrov type of personality does get out from the VSU structure and accumulates enough support from former VSU to fight against them. Very unlikely because this would require tens of thousands of men..........and with the amount of control the western powers have over this military ( so completely different with Chechens) , all the coercive weapons they can use (bribery, giving wife and children mansion and education in west, top doctors etc), all the preventative methods they have to stop this from happening before enough personnel accumulated would make it possible etc. Unfortunate, as without the total western control all the conditions are there for several Akhmad Kadyrov's to emerge.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Mikhail

    I know I’ve complained about the circular discussions here regarding the Ukraine war before, but I just wanted to say, at this point, this war has honestly been almost certainly the most sombre tragedy humanity has produced since WWII. Just such a disgusting waste. Two formerly united peoples mutually dragging each other down into the abyss, and even bringing down much of Europe with them.

    It does honestly look from my vantage point that Ukraine is approaching the point of being crushed, whilst the Ukrainian ethnicity itself is facing extinction in the medium from the economic effects of the war. When the Gaza war broke out around the time Ukraine’s offensive was floundering, I was suprised myself by own level of disgust (despite not at all being a partisan of Ukraine’s quixotic war) when here in the west the entire media focus shifted overnight. I noticed the Ukraine flags that had been hoisted on public buildings quiely being taken down everywhere around October/November last year. Poor Ukrainians really believed American support would be unconditional, when in reality as soon as the momentum had turned against them, and Russia sufficiently bled, they were simply abandoned overnight, realising they were cannon fodder all along.

    But at the same time this war has truly reveiled the bankruptcy of Russia’s government, the fact that they’re now looking to carve some kind of pyrrhic victory in some kind of frozen conflict resolution doesn’t change the fact this war has been a total fiasco for Russia also. Even as a relative outside observer this entire saga has just been incredibly depressing… but imagine being Karlin, investing your entire identity and future career into remigrating to Russia as a “Russian Nationalist” (was never sure what degree of trolling was involved, the average Russian nationalist would beat him up as a чурка, just bizarre) and having a live mental breakdown becoming a tranny advocate. Whatever.

    Meanwhile Central Asia continues to phase out Russian, cultivating national identities that for the most part never even existed prior to Soviet patronage. The state of Armenia looks poised for extermination this century. Europe, the US and Oceania are having their populations replaced in large part by ethnicities that never would have left the middle ages if not for European contact. Cultural output of any lasting worth seems to be collapsing everywhere. Perhaps I’m just in a very poor state of mind recently for personal reasons unrelated to all of this, such is this schpiel more typical of German_Reader. But I’m really struggling to see any source of optimism for the short to medium future for the world as a whole.

    eh

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    I noticed the Ukraine flags that had been hoisted on public buildings quiely being taken down everywhere around October/November last year. Poor Ukrainians really believed American support would be unconditional
     
    The Americans will just run away from the mess they've created, typical behavior for them really, and central Europe will be left to deal with a crippled Ukraine and an antagonistic Russia. Thanks a lot, dear benevolent hegemon.
    We really must live in one of the worst timelines. When one thinks back to 1990, how could they all fuck it up so badly? How could it all go so wrong on such a catastrophic scale? I think about this all the time, both regarding my own country and the West in general.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @A123
    @Yevardian


    It does honestly look from my vantage point that Ukraine is approaching the point of being crushed, whilst the Ukrainian ethnicity itself is facing extinction in the medium from the economic effects of the war.
     
    The sad part is the unnecessary nature of Kiev aggression. As I have mentioned several times before, sane Ukrainian leadership could work out a deal to save their country. A new border at more or less current lines. A wide DMZ. And, of course, limits on Ukraine arming up to start Round 2 of the fighting.

    If you look at how we got here, Merkel was the #1 operator. She personally tanked the Minsk deal. Since then the European Empire, led by Scholz and Macron, have kept the fight going. Their goals are met by they chaos, not Ukrainian victory.


    I noticed the Ukraine flags that had been hoisted on public buildings quietly being taken down everywhere around October/November last year.

    Poor Ukrainians really believed American support would be unconditional
     

    There was never deep "American support". It was an inch deep TikTok fad. How many Americans can find Ukraine on a globe?

    A single look at American politics should have convinced them otherwise on Day 1. Scholz & Macron obtained money from their puppet Not-The-President Biden. And, that cash flow was thus exceedingly vulnerable. Reduction or elimination of funding was highly predictable.

    Europe owns this mess, primarily Germany and France, though you could include the UK as well. The key question remains, "When will Kiev stop listening to these unrealistic European warmongers?" If they do not do so in time, Ukraine could indeed collapse and be carved up.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Gerard1234
    @Yevardian


    Meanwhile Central Asia continues to phase out Russian, cultivating national identities that for the most part never even existed prior to Soviet patronage.
     
    That's true - although at least the leadership are practical in economic relations with Russia and, generally, sane. Even the lowlifes who run Gruzia are showing the same thinking. Silk Road Chinese initiative is big help for this. But yes, your point is correct and don't know what can be done to correct it.

    As for this:


    But at the same time this war has truly reveiled the bankruptcy of Russia’s government, the fact that they’re now looking to carve some kind of pyrrhic victory in some kind of frozen conflict resolution doesn’t change the fact this war has been a total fiasco for Russia also.
     
    I completely disagree. Where are they "looking to carve phyrric victory"? Millions of people are now Russian, land reunited, Azov coast control, part of Black Sea, landbridge to Crimea, LNR liberated, Energodar NPP controlled (which SHOULD have brought immediate agreement from west/404 to end the SMO). We both also don't know what the full intended objectives of the SMO are.

    Sanctions, extreme sanctions were the one definite thing we all could have assumed. From economic view - A longish war fought at reduced intensity compared to other wars was always going to be optimal considering the sanctions. Money spent on social payments and services to all Ukrainians and fighting insurgency from any part of the country is not happening - the western enemy is paying for this (much of it only loaning this money), and we are clearly doing this while holding back majority of our militar and are learning, training , developing new weapons with the scenario of unwanted but potential full conflict with western powers .

    I would add that not only have Europeans tried to invade and destroy us at least once every century for the last 400 years........you could say amnesty to about 150000 Banderist excrement and then full reabsorption into Soviet life by Khrushchev in the 50s and 60s is what lead to this situation. Possibly VVP has the same historical perspective. You can't just keep an extra 150k, 300k in prison for 30 years in modern Russia - just annihilate them all now who point a weapon at Russia and eliminate now , not ferment this problem for 30 years.


    I was suprised myself by own level of disgust (despite not at all being a partisan of Ukraine’s quixotic war) when here in the west the entire media focus shifted overnight. I noticed the Ukraine flags that had been hoisted on public buildings quiely being taken down everywhere around October/November last year.
     
    It would be interesting to know if ANY westerner stupid enough to "support" Banderastan actually learned "Ukrainian" language in these last 2 years. Several appeared to indicate they would - but high doubtful any did.

    It's always a WTF for me over the flag circus with 404. They and western retards clearly can't decide what the colours on the flag of this fake country are ......is it the dark Blue ( which promotes them as Hapsburg slaves as this type of blue with the yellow was common flag throughout various places of Germanic world).......or is it the swedish lighter blue ( often cited as the the same colour rags the few who fought with Mazepa used to tie to themselves because fighting for the Swedish Kingdom)? Down-syndrome blue or Swedish blue to go with the yellow? A small issue that indicates a lot.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yevardian


    almost certainly the most sombre tragedy humanity has produced since WWII
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366

    We could easily make a very long list. : (

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yevardian

    , @AP
    @Yevardian


    I know I’ve complained about the circular discussions here regarding the Ukraine war before, but I just wanted to say, at this point, this war has honestly been almost certainly the most sombre tragedy humanity has produced since WWII. Just such a disgusting waste.
     
    Complete agreement with this part.

    It does honestly look from my vantage point that Ukraine is approaching the point of being crushed, whilst the Ukrainian ethnicity itself is facing extinction in the medium from the economic effects of the war.
     
    Disagree with this part. It's a remote possibility - if Russia manages to conquer the entire country or to keep it out of the EU and link it to itself (which would probably entail conquest). Then there would be mass exodus, a half-empty land settled by Eurasians, Ukrainian culture snuffed out in that region, etc. This is extremely unlikely.

    If there is a stable ceasefire and Ukraine (minus whatever territories) joins the EU and/or NATO it will resume the positive prewar economic advancement. In the worst and least likely case (Ukraine down to 1939 Western borders) it would probably converge with its western neighbors fairly quickly and would just be another Visegrad-style nation, with around 12-14 million people. The population loss from these regions of people moving Westward would be more than compensated for by refugees from central and eastern Ukraine - Lviv now has 10,000s more people than it had before the war, the other western Ukrainian cities have also seen increases. These areas aren't damaged much, they can benefit a lot from investment.

    In the more likely case that the borders will be around the current lines, wealth will come more slowly but there will be more potential. The most heavily ruined places are the ones that the Russians occupy, if the Russians keep them then the reconstruction money will mean massive modernization and upgrades for the less-damaged parts of Free Ukraine.

    I was suprised myself by own level of disgust (despite not at all being a partisan of Ukraine’s quixotic war) when here in the west the entire media focus shifted overnight. I noticed the Ukraine flags that had been hoisted on public buildings quiely being taken down everywhere around October/November last year. Poor Ukrainians really believed American support would be unconditional, when in reality as soon as the momentum had turned against them, and Russia sufficiently bled, they were simply abandoned overnight,
     
    And others are stepping in to help out. EU just approved a $50 billion package. Weapons and ammunition continue to pour in mostly from other sources (but USA discovered that they can send some new glide bombs) - not as much as they should, but enough to prevent a collapse while Russia continues to bleed itself out at a greater rate with its stupid and desperate attacks in winter against fortified positions.

    But at the same time this war has truly reveiled the bankruptcy of Russia’s government, the fact that they’re now looking to carve some kind of pyrrhic victory in some kind of frozen conflict resolution doesn’t change the fact this war has been a total fiasco for Russia also.
     
    It has been, but Russia also will recover from this idiocy. It is big enough and has resources.

    You are seeing things too much from an Armenian lens, your people's situation is much more dire.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Yevardian


    in some kind of frozen conflict resolution
     
    The war is not over yet. The Ukrainian pawn will be beaten to pulp. Whatever part of it Russia decides to leave as a token “Ukraine” (i.e., will be reluctant to invest in restoration) will be a satellite state. Maybe not as insignificant and despised as Balts are for the empire, but still. The conflict of Russia with NATO will be frozen at Polish-Hungarian-Romanian border. We’ll see if and when the next round starts.

    Geostrategic results are that Western Europe is in deep shit (figuratively everywhere, literally in Germany and France) and the US power is in decline. What’s more, the internal situation in the US is worsening, but this should be credited to the traitors in Washington more than to Putin. Texas rebelled against these traitors, and the governors of 25 states expressed their support for Texas. Florida is even sending 1,000 national guard troops to Texas to help it. So, there is still hope for the US, but none for Europe.

    It that is Pyrrhic victory, I am the Pope.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    , @Derer
    @Yevardian


    Two formerly united peoples mutually dragging each other down into the abyss, and even bringing down much of Europe with them.
     
    This war could have been avoided if not for the West's vultures interference in former members of the Soviet Union trying to resolve their borders. The arrogant interference that included expansion of their warmongering NATO, dismissing elected president, and crossing nuclear power (Russian) red lines. By which Ukraine abdicated the power to foreign vultures.

    Replies: @Yevardian

  242. @WS
    @AP

    Wendsis a historical name for Slavs who inhabited present-day northeast Germany
     
    It is not limited to north-east Germany. The historic description Windisch was applied in the German-speaking area to all Slavic languages (confer Wends in Germania ) and in particular to the Slovene spoken in southern Austria until the 19th century.

    Replies: @AP

    Wendsis a historical name for Slavs who inhabited present-day northeast Germany

    It is not limited to north-east Germany. The historic description Windisch was applied in the German-speaking area to all Slavic languages (confer Wends in Germania ) and in particular to the Slovene spoken in southern Austria until the 19th century.

    I didn’t make up the definition, I repeated it.

    In some sources it is only used to apply to various Slavic groups but it is also used to apply specifically to the ones in what is now northeastern Germany.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendish_Crusade

    “The Wends were made up of the Slavic tribes of Abrotrites, Rani, Liutizians, Wagarians, and Pomeranians who lived east of the River Elbe in present-day northeast Germany and Poland”

  243. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    It appears to me that you're advocating three different search firms:

    1) 23andme

    2) familytreedna

    3) mytrueancestry

    Any particular sequential order that you'd recommend, in order to get the most out of all 3 services?

    Replies: @AP

    I would start with 23andme (I think ancestry.com is similar).

  244. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian
    @Gerard1234

    I know I've complained about the circular discussions here regarding the Ukraine war before, but I just wanted to say, at this point, this war has honestly been almost certainly the most sombre tragedy humanity has produced since WWII. Just such a disgusting waste. Two formerly united peoples mutually dragging each other down into the abyss, and even bringing down much of Europe with them.

    It does honestly look from my vantage point that Ukraine is approaching the point of being crushed, whilst the Ukrainian ethnicity itself is facing extinction in the medium from the economic effects of the war. When the Gaza war broke out around the time Ukraine's offensive was floundering, I was suprised myself by own level of disgust (despite not at all being a partisan of Ukraine's quixotic war) when here in the west the entire media focus shifted overnight. I noticed the Ukraine flags that had been hoisted on public buildings quiely being taken down everywhere around October/November last year. Poor Ukrainians really believed American support would be unconditional, when in reality as soon as the momentum had turned against them, and Russia sufficiently bled, they were simply abandoned overnight, realising they were cannon fodder all along.

    But at the same time this war has truly reveiled the bankruptcy of Russia's government, the fact that they're now looking to carve some kind of pyrrhic victory in some kind of frozen conflict resolution doesn't change the fact this war has been a total fiasco for Russia also. Even as a relative outside observer this entire saga has just been incredibly depressing... but imagine being Karlin, investing your entire identity and future career into remigrating to Russia as a "Russian Nationalist" (was never sure what degree of trolling was involved, the average Russian nationalist would beat him up as a чурка, just bizarre) and having a live mental breakdown becoming a tranny advocate. Whatever.

    Meanwhile Central Asia continues to phase out Russian, cultivating national identities that for the most part never even existed prior to Soviet patronage. The state of Armenia looks poised for extermination this century. Europe, the US and Oceania are having their populations replaced in large part by ethnicities that never would have left the middle ages if not for European contact. Cultural output of any lasting worth seems to be collapsing everywhere. Perhaps I'm just in a very poor state of mind recently for personal reasons unrelated to all of this, such is this schpiel more typical of German_Reader. But I'm really struggling to see any source of optimism for the short to medium future for the world as a whole.

    eh

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @Gerard1234, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @AnonfromTN, @Derer

    I noticed the Ukraine flags that had been hoisted on public buildings quiely being taken down everywhere around October/November last year. Poor Ukrainians really believed American support would be unconditional

    The Americans will just run away from the mess they’ve created, typical behavior for them really, and central Europe will be left to deal with a crippled Ukraine and an antagonistic Russia. Thanks a lot, dear benevolent hegemon.
    We really must live in one of the worst timelines. When one thinks back to 1990, how could they all fuck it up so badly? How could it all go so wrong on such a catastrophic scale? I think about this all the time, both regarding my own country and the West in general.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @German_reader

    I dare say I've been more disheartened - both longer and more intensely - than the vast majority of posters here about what the future holds. From my reading, I've concluded that it was all baked into the cake long, long ago. There were some small insignificant factions (eg Monday Club, Western Goals Institute, numerous individual actors) that wished to arrest the decline, but who lacked anywhere near the support necessary to achieve their objectives. It's a depressing state of affair which I deal with it by accepting that it is what it is; nothing I can do about it save hold out hope for the least bad outcome and just get on with my life. 'Discussing' it here is a way of letting off steam, nothing more.

    Replies: @German_reader

  245. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Mr. Hack, wrong as usual.

    I object to the Ukrainian war of choice against Russia. The details of this mess are slightly subtle and apparently half of the Unz crowd is too dumb to recognize what has happened or maybe just too crazy to accept it. The West has used Ukraine as a proxy to fight Russia as a continuation of the Cold War and the Great Game before that. This is just another case of a bully (the West) trying to kill the next strongest player (Russia) or beat him into submission. This sort of thing has been going on throughout human history. In this case it is driven by power lust and fear and is completely immoral. Because of modern technology this type of conflict is much more dangerous for all of us than in times past. Technology is created through the exercise of creative brainpower so one can hope that people would be sensible enough to avoid conflicts such as exists in Ukraine. Unfortunately that is not how humans behave.

    The Ukrainian people were an easy mark for the West. Tribal sympathies such as yours as well as the actual blood feud-level angst and energy of NeoNazi Ukrainians make it easy for Western influences to lead Ukies to their pointless deaths.

    I am all for retaining and remembering our unique cultural histories which explain how we came to be. I am against murderous stupidity such as the West has nurtured in Ukraine and you wholeheartedly support.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Derer

    I object to the Ukrainian war of choice against Russia.

    The only choice that the Ukrainians have is to fight to defend their borders and country or to sumit cowardly to Russia’s invasion of imperiaistic submission. Is this really a choice?

    The West has used Ukraine as a proxy to fight Russia as a continuation of the Cold War and the Great Game before that.

    I’ll agree that there’s something to this point of view. But you’ve failed to reveal the other side of this very same coin, that Ukraine has “used” the US to help it wage its defensive war against Russia too. So, what we have are two sides that share similar goals (the curtailment of Russia’s imperialistic desires) and for similar reasons. That’s how alliances are formed.

    The Ukrainian people were an easy mark for the West.

    Is it the Ukrainians fault that Russia provided this opportunity for the West, by trying to use its brutal and clumsy efforts of aggrandizement against Ukraine? What did you expect, that Ukraine was not going to appeal to the West, especially the US that was a signatory to the Budapest Memorandum?

    Tribal sympathies such as yours as well as the actual blood feud-level angst and energy of NeoNazi Ukrainians make it easy for Western influences to lead Ukies to their pointless deaths.

    Defending nation/state boundaries that are governed by international law, are not the subject matter of “blood feuds”. Wake up and expeience the 21st century. Your weak attempt at trying to paint an analogy including the “Hatfields & McCoys”, shows how really incompetent you are at analyzing the reality of the situation.

    I am against murderous stupidity such as Russia has nurtured in Ukraine and you wholeheartedly support.

  246. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    It's not an argument, but a well formed opinion about you, a composite formed of you after having read hundreds of your comments here over several years. You seem to relish the idea of a conquered and divided up Ukraine. You've gone on before about how you dislike Shevchenko and his poetry, a real telltale giveaway that you're Ukrainophobic. Your opinions about Ukrainian culture often reflect those of the Black Hundreds, that were known for burning down Ukrainian libraries and cultural centers:


    The Black Hundred movement actively campaigned against what it considered to be Ukrainian separatism, as well as against promoting Ukrainian culture and language in general, and against the works of Ukrainian poet Taras Shevchenko, in particular.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hundreds

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Sotnja.jpg
    "The bearer of this document is neither a student nor a member of the intelligentsia, and is thus not fit for beating" issued by the "Chief Directorate of Black Hundred".

    You're not in kindergarten anymore, Professor...time to grown up and face your phobias

    Replies: @QCIC, @Gerard1234

    You’ve gone on before about how you dislike Shevchenko and his poetry,

    For about 99.99% of Ukrops Shevchenko is not their favourite poet . You think ukrops believe Shevchenko is anywhere near Pushkin in quality? Russian poets and writers directly connect to their mentality, “soul”, culture. No sane person thinks these great Russian writers were “imposed” on them

    Shevchenko and his poetry, a real telltale giveaway that you’re Ukrainophobic.

    Shevchenko was Ukrainophobic…….its absolutely clear in his writings that he did not consider Galician retards as the same people as him i.e Uniates not “Ukrainian”, and that the geographic cossack land is from the Dniester to the Dnieper (or the Don, can’t remember). Maybe the so-called folk saying of “Ukraine is from the San to the Don” is another piece of ukronazi fakism designed to coverup what was the actual belief at the time?
    Clear that if you filter through all the schizophrenic, contradictory stuff ( typical for “Ukrainianism” ) that Shevchenko did consider himself Russian.

    All this is hilarious because in Ukrainian “culture”, Lesya “Ukrainka” is from Rusyn heritage and either Russian or something else on her fathers side – and her mother is supposed to have been a wakjob from a Russian speaking family and with a Russian speaking husband……..imposing strict fake mova-only rules on her children , “Vovchuk”- a Russian (WTF is it with these fake names?) , Gogol -considered himself Russian and wrote only in Russian, Franko was Rusyn and something else….zero Ukronazi blood in him, Bulgakov- LOL. There’s others also. None of them actually true”Ukrainian”- the closest being Gogol. With the exception of Franko all all them from the Tsarist side of what is now “Ukraine” – which is very indicative itself. Shevchenko did this from serfdom, i.e he is entire creation of Russian elite that bought him out from serfdom, further educated him, promoted him, paid him, printed him etc. As far as I know Shevchenko never even went to Galicia or Volynia

    What’s more important is that in this era, ALL of them would be on Mirotvorets list.

    Historical myth of khokholism is descended from RUSSIAN Tsarist liberasts of the time historians as Milyukov, Klyuchevsky, Kostomarov and several others. Grushevsky only turned this nonsense into total pseudoscience later on with Austrian money. Main ukrop idealist “nationalist” is a freak with the “typical” Ukrainian name of……..Dmitry Dontsov ,ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!

    The biggest Ukrainophiles…..were the Communists. All these writers I mentioned, ALL only became of part mass “Ukrainian” national consciousness ONLY because of the Bolsheviks who mass promoted them. Writers were promoted for perceived victim of Tsarist repression and particularly for most of them as Franko and Ukrainka……..because of perceived Communist ideology. Ukronazi linkage only became a byproduct of the socialist ideals or anti-tsarism.
    Shevchenko is now solely an anti-Russian, not pro-Ukraine project. This is very appropriate as there is no existant thing as “pro-Ukraine”, the entire state, the entire thing is an anti-Russia freakshow.

    Liberast, bored Russians were the genesis of “Ukrainianism”, Hapsburg and polish dickheads were the ignition of it………and Communists were the fuel, and the glue of Ukrainianism. The drug addict (((Zelensky))) and his accompanying gang of scum are the jagged-edge dildo of Ukrainianism.

    Who the Ukrainaphobes are though is clear……..its the nutjob self-loathing, acting homo all day in the kriyivka without taking a bath-Ukrainian “nationalist” who is Ukrainophobe. LOL. They always required the ukrop idea to be about peasant civilisation, village mentality with preserved slavic traditions…….this though make them self-conscious about thinking how simple and stupid they are, and is completely incompatible with their delusions of grandeur of part of “great European civilisation” with Michelangelo, Shakespeare, Kant, da Vinci etc. So simultaneously they despise Ukrainian “culture” but promote it. Communists of course were so interlocked with promoting the peasant civilisation in Malrossiya across the centuries – so they hate Communists FOR their promotion of ukrainian national identity!!

    All so ridiculous. I suspect the great film Wedding at Malinovka is banned from being shown in 404 by the Ukronazis since 2014 – precisely because of the issues I mentioned in the previous paragraph. If not officially banned I would guess that unofficially they refuse to show it, and other Soviet films of that type.

    Black Hundreds, that were known for burning down Ukrainian libraries and cultural centers:

    Over-exaggerated drivel, Hack. Facts are that large majority of “Ukrainians” rejected the idea of any Ukraine – partly also explains one of the reasons Petliura lasted about 3 seconds in Kiev before thrown out.

    Across the large Russian world there are going to be varying cultural aspects……but absolutely none of them merit classification into different people or culture. Most of those small cultural difference in song, dress, food or whatever became so mixed into Russian world – even as far as the Arctic and Far East there is ukrop cultural influence – that it’s impossible to separate into 2 different peoples. India has several different language, and the women in the north were their one-piece dress draped in a different direction to those from the South, different religions across it…….but its still clear to everyone that these are all Indian people and shouldn’t be living in different nations. Texans are extremely different to New Yorkers in how they act and mentality, food specialities too probably………but they clearly part of same nation. Russians and even the biggest difference in Ukrainian culture are a million times LESS than those in India or the Texas-New York thing I mentioned.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234


    For about 99.99% of Ukrops Shevchenko is not their favourite poet
     
    I think that you're clearly mistaken on this subject matter. Shevchenko often rises to the very top of any polls conducted related to favorite Ukrainians. In an open poll conducted in late 2022, Taras Shevchenko was voted among the very top of "Most important Ukrainians of all time:

    Poet Taras Shevchenko once again became the rating leader (63.9%). He is followed by incumbent President Volodymyr Zelensky (29.8%), Lesya Ukrainka (19.6%), Bohdan Khmelnytskyi (17.3%), and Stepan Bandera (12.8%). Also in the top ten were Mykhailo Hrushevskyi (11.6%), Ivan Franko (10.1%), Ivan Mazepa (8.8%), Vyacheslav Chornovil (8.7%), and Valery Zaluzhnyi (7.7%).
    https://rubryka.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/167088-1_ru_origin.jpg
     
    If you can provide any contradictory information, I'm all ears.

    Shevchenko is now solely an anti-Russian, not pro-Ukraine project. This is very appropriate as there is no existant thing as “pro-Ukraine”, the entire state, the entire thing is an anti-Russia freakshow.
     
    Not pro-Ukrainian. Then what was the point of him writing the poems "Caucuses" and "Love Your Dear Ukraine"?

    https://www.weareukraine.info/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/MAR9_history_387_9-1024x1024.png

    https://www.weareukraine.info/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/MAR9_history_387_10-1024x1024.png
    https://www.weareukraine.info/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/MAR9_history_387_10-1024x1024.png

    , @Philip Owen
    @Gerard1234

    Vladimir Suzdal (Moscow was yet to come) had clearly seperated from Kievean Rus by the Sack of Kiev in 1169, a far larger event than the later Mongol sacking of the barely recovered city. Ukrainian history then took a Western path. So all the above is Great Russian chauvanism mostly due to Nicholoas I and successor Eurasians.

  247. @Yevardian
    @Gerard1234

    I know I've complained about the circular discussions here regarding the Ukraine war before, but I just wanted to say, at this point, this war has honestly been almost certainly the most sombre tragedy humanity has produced since WWII. Just such a disgusting waste. Two formerly united peoples mutually dragging each other down into the abyss, and even bringing down much of Europe with them.

    It does honestly look from my vantage point that Ukraine is approaching the point of being crushed, whilst the Ukrainian ethnicity itself is facing extinction in the medium from the economic effects of the war. When the Gaza war broke out around the time Ukraine's offensive was floundering, I was suprised myself by own level of disgust (despite not at all being a partisan of Ukraine's quixotic war) when here in the west the entire media focus shifted overnight. I noticed the Ukraine flags that had been hoisted on public buildings quiely being taken down everywhere around October/November last year. Poor Ukrainians really believed American support would be unconditional, when in reality as soon as the momentum had turned against them, and Russia sufficiently bled, they were simply abandoned overnight, realising they were cannon fodder all along.

    But at the same time this war has truly reveiled the bankruptcy of Russia's government, the fact that they're now looking to carve some kind of pyrrhic victory in some kind of frozen conflict resolution doesn't change the fact this war has been a total fiasco for Russia also. Even as a relative outside observer this entire saga has just been incredibly depressing... but imagine being Karlin, investing your entire identity and future career into remigrating to Russia as a "Russian Nationalist" (was never sure what degree of trolling was involved, the average Russian nationalist would beat him up as a чурка, just bizarre) and having a live mental breakdown becoming a tranny advocate. Whatever.

    Meanwhile Central Asia continues to phase out Russian, cultivating national identities that for the most part never even existed prior to Soviet patronage. The state of Armenia looks poised for extermination this century. Europe, the US and Oceania are having their populations replaced in large part by ethnicities that never would have left the middle ages if not for European contact. Cultural output of any lasting worth seems to be collapsing everywhere. Perhaps I'm just in a very poor state of mind recently for personal reasons unrelated to all of this, such is this schpiel more typical of German_Reader. But I'm really struggling to see any source of optimism for the short to medium future for the world as a whole.

    eh

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @Gerard1234, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @AnonfromTN, @Derer

    It does honestly look from my vantage point that Ukraine is approaching the point of being crushed, whilst the Ukrainian ethnicity itself is facing extinction in the medium from the economic effects of the war.

    The sad part is the unnecessary nature of Kiev aggression. As I have mentioned several times before, sane Ukrainian leadership could work out a deal to save their country. A new border at more or less current lines. A wide DMZ. And, of course, limits on Ukraine arming up to start Round 2 of the fighting.

    If you look at how we got here, Merkel was the #1 operator. She personally tanked the Minsk deal. Since then the European Empire, led by Scholz and Macron, have kept the fight going. Their goals are met by they chaos, not Ukrainian victory.

    I noticed the Ukraine flags that had been hoisted on public buildings quietly being taken down everywhere around October/November last year.

    Poor Ukrainians really believed American support would be unconditional

    There was never deep “American support”. It was an inch deep TikTok fad. How many Americans can find Ukraine on a globe?

    A single look at American politics should have convinced them otherwise on Day 1. Scholz & Macron obtained money from their puppet Not-The-President Biden. And, that cash flow was thus exceedingly vulnerable. Reduction or elimination of funding was highly predictable.

    Europe owns this mess, primarily Germany and France, though you could include the UK as well. The key question remains, “When will Kiev stop listening to these unrealistic European warmongers?” If they do not do so in time, Ukraine could indeed collapse and be carved up.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    Kiev aggression
     
    It's not aggresion when a country is involved in defending its borders. I keep on pointing this out to you, ye it doesn't seem to penetrate your thick skull. It's really Russian aggression and not Ukrainian aggression. Once you quit huffing the glue, this will all become clear to you.
  248. @Yevardian
    @Gerard1234

    I know I've complained about the circular discussions here regarding the Ukraine war before, but I just wanted to say, at this point, this war has honestly been almost certainly the most sombre tragedy humanity has produced since WWII. Just such a disgusting waste. Two formerly united peoples mutually dragging each other down into the abyss, and even bringing down much of Europe with them.

    It does honestly look from my vantage point that Ukraine is approaching the point of being crushed, whilst the Ukrainian ethnicity itself is facing extinction in the medium from the economic effects of the war. When the Gaza war broke out around the time Ukraine's offensive was floundering, I was suprised myself by own level of disgust (despite not at all being a partisan of Ukraine's quixotic war) when here in the west the entire media focus shifted overnight. I noticed the Ukraine flags that had been hoisted on public buildings quiely being taken down everywhere around October/November last year. Poor Ukrainians really believed American support would be unconditional, when in reality as soon as the momentum had turned against them, and Russia sufficiently bled, they were simply abandoned overnight, realising they were cannon fodder all along.

    But at the same time this war has truly reveiled the bankruptcy of Russia's government, the fact that they're now looking to carve some kind of pyrrhic victory in some kind of frozen conflict resolution doesn't change the fact this war has been a total fiasco for Russia also. Even as a relative outside observer this entire saga has just been incredibly depressing... but imagine being Karlin, investing your entire identity and future career into remigrating to Russia as a "Russian Nationalist" (was never sure what degree of trolling was involved, the average Russian nationalist would beat him up as a чурка, just bizarre) and having a live mental breakdown becoming a tranny advocate. Whatever.

    Meanwhile Central Asia continues to phase out Russian, cultivating national identities that for the most part never even existed prior to Soviet patronage. The state of Armenia looks poised for extermination this century. Europe, the US and Oceania are having their populations replaced in large part by ethnicities that never would have left the middle ages if not for European contact. Cultural output of any lasting worth seems to be collapsing everywhere. Perhaps I'm just in a very poor state of mind recently for personal reasons unrelated to all of this, such is this schpiel more typical of German_Reader. But I'm really struggling to see any source of optimism for the short to medium future for the world as a whole.

    eh

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @Gerard1234, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @AnonfromTN, @Derer

    Meanwhile Central Asia continues to phase out Russian, cultivating national identities that for the most part never even existed prior to Soviet patronage.

    That’s true – although at least the leadership are practical in economic relations with Russia and, generally, sane. Even the lowlifes who run Gruzia are showing the same thinking. Silk Road Chinese initiative is big help for this. But yes, your point is correct and don’t know what can be done to correct it.

    As for this:

    But at the same time this war has truly reveiled the bankruptcy of Russia’s government, the fact that they’re now looking to carve some kind of pyrrhic victory in some kind of frozen conflict resolution doesn’t change the fact this war has been a total fiasco for Russia also.

    I completely disagree. Where are they “looking to carve phyrric victory”? Millions of people are now Russian, land reunited, Azov coast control, part of Black Sea, landbridge to Crimea, LNR liberated, Energodar NPP controlled (which SHOULD have brought immediate agreement from west/404 to end the SMO). We both also don’t know what the full intended objectives of the SMO are.

    Sanctions, extreme sanctions were the one definite thing we all could have assumed. From economic view – A longish war fought at reduced intensity compared to other wars was always going to be optimal considering the sanctions. Money spent on social payments and services to all Ukrainians and fighting insurgency from any part of the country is not happening – the western enemy is paying for this (much of it only loaning this money), and we are clearly doing this while holding back majority of our militar and are learning, training , developing new weapons with the scenario of unwanted but potential full conflict with western powers .

    I would add that not only have Europeans tried to invade and destroy us at least once every century for the last 400 years……..you could say amnesty to about 150000 Banderist excrement and then full reabsorption into Soviet life by Khrushchev in the 50s and 60s is what lead to this situation. Possibly VVP has the same historical perspective. You can’t just keep an extra 150k, 300k in prison for 30 years in modern Russia – just annihilate them all now who point a weapon at Russia and eliminate now , not ferment this problem for 30 years.

    I was suprised myself by own level of disgust (despite not at all being a partisan of Ukraine’s quixotic war) when here in the west the entire media focus shifted overnight. I noticed the Ukraine flags that had been hoisted on public buildings quiely being taken down everywhere around October/November last year.

    It would be interesting to know if ANY westerner stupid enough to “support” Banderastan actually learned “Ukrainian” language in these last 2 years. Several appeared to indicate they would – but high doubtful any did.

    It’s always a WTF for me over the flag circus with 404. They and western retards clearly can’t decide what the colours on the flag of this fake country are ……is it the dark Blue ( which promotes them as Hapsburg slaves as this type of blue with the yellow was common flag throughout various places of Germanic world)…….or is it the swedish lighter blue ( often cited as the the same colour rags the few who fought with Mazepa used to tie to themselves because fighting for the Swedish Kingdom)? Down-syndrome blue or Swedish blue to go with the yellow? A small issue that indicates a lot.

  249. @Yevardian
    @Gerard1234

    I know I've complained about the circular discussions here regarding the Ukraine war before, but I just wanted to say, at this point, this war has honestly been almost certainly the most sombre tragedy humanity has produced since WWII. Just such a disgusting waste. Two formerly united peoples mutually dragging each other down into the abyss, and even bringing down much of Europe with them.

    It does honestly look from my vantage point that Ukraine is approaching the point of being crushed, whilst the Ukrainian ethnicity itself is facing extinction in the medium from the economic effects of the war. When the Gaza war broke out around the time Ukraine's offensive was floundering, I was suprised myself by own level of disgust (despite not at all being a partisan of Ukraine's quixotic war) when here in the west the entire media focus shifted overnight. I noticed the Ukraine flags that had been hoisted on public buildings quiely being taken down everywhere around October/November last year. Poor Ukrainians really believed American support would be unconditional, when in reality as soon as the momentum had turned against them, and Russia sufficiently bled, they were simply abandoned overnight, realising they were cannon fodder all along.

    But at the same time this war has truly reveiled the bankruptcy of Russia's government, the fact that they're now looking to carve some kind of pyrrhic victory in some kind of frozen conflict resolution doesn't change the fact this war has been a total fiasco for Russia also. Even as a relative outside observer this entire saga has just been incredibly depressing... but imagine being Karlin, investing your entire identity and future career into remigrating to Russia as a "Russian Nationalist" (was never sure what degree of trolling was involved, the average Russian nationalist would beat him up as a чурка, just bizarre) and having a live mental breakdown becoming a tranny advocate. Whatever.

    Meanwhile Central Asia continues to phase out Russian, cultivating national identities that for the most part never even existed prior to Soviet patronage. The state of Armenia looks poised for extermination this century. Europe, the US and Oceania are having their populations replaced in large part by ethnicities that never would have left the middle ages if not for European contact. Cultural output of any lasting worth seems to be collapsing everywhere. Perhaps I'm just in a very poor state of mind recently for personal reasons unrelated to all of this, such is this schpiel more typical of German_Reader. But I'm really struggling to see any source of optimism for the short to medium future for the world as a whole.

    eh

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @Gerard1234, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @AnonfromTN, @Derer

    almost certainly the most sombre tragedy humanity has produced since WWII

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366

    We could easily make a very long list. : (

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Did the Iran-Iraq war or the Vietnam war have any lasting demographic consequences for the populations involved (the main ones, not counting something like the various minorities who fought on the US side in Vietnam)? The Ukraine war is unprecedented insofar as it's a fairly high-intensity war between two peoples that already have sub-replacement fertility and don't really have any spare sons to throw into the meat grinder. At least in Ukraine's case the demographic consequences of the war are likely to be quite devastating.

    , @Yevardian
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Actually, I'd considered the Iranian Revolution (without which the Iran-Iraq War would never had happened) as a probable second to the Ukraine-Russia War as far as post WWII longterm negative developments go.
    But the ruination of Iran's economic and cultural development aside, the country has managed for decades now to hold surprisingly well together despite its pariah status. Demographically what Iranians call "The Imposed War" had miniscule long-term impact compared to the more recent steep collapse in the birthrate there.

    The Western sanctions put on Iraq after Saddam invaded Kuwait in response to a decade of wartime extortion loans and general economic blackmail (Kuwait was the foremost cheerleader in convincing Saddam to invade Iran in the first place) also had a worse longterm effect on Iraq than the war itself, to say nothing of the subsequent American dismantling of the entirety of the entire Iraqi bureaucracy and political class after Saddam was overthrown.

    Don't think the Vietnam War had particularly profound effects, aside from the environmental devastation and the first cracking open of the floodgates of Asian migration to Australia. And Vietnam is doing quite well now despite its Communist government and having the world's ugliest language.

    Indonesian mass killings of 1965 were pretty bad, most of the killings weren't related to the Communists at all. But that country is always going to be a poor dump dominated by a few talented foreigners that periodically experience Islamic/nativist pogroms. And who knows what kind of mass famines or ethnic bloodbaths a Communist takeover of Indonesia could have led to.

    Tragedies aren't just blithely measured by deathtoll, it depends who, were, the long term consequences and many other things. There were two enormous wars in the Congo involving coalitions of a dozen countries several million deaths, but it's subsaharan Africans so nobody outside of the direct participants care a damn about it, or have any reason to really.

    Actually, the collapse of the Soviet Union itself might trump all of them, although it had some positive effects for central Europe. Aside from the Baltic states most of the old Warsaw pact countries are managing alright, even Romania despite having some of the worst governments ever.

    Replies: @Yevardian

  250. @Gerard1234
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Why is no one here talking about the conflict between Zelensky and Zaluzhny?
     
    I mentioned this the other day. Anyway its just the standard ukronazi circus/nuthouse on nearly every thing in public official life. 2 different failures trying to eliminate eachother first. At least 20 years of this constant nonsense, only difference is this is in political-military field which was of course much less prominent 20, 30 years before than now.

    Does Ukraine really needs 500 000 soldiers Zaluzhny said he needs?
     
    What type of stupid question is that. Of course they do in this annihilation you clown. The actual question is if they can provided this number of cannon fodder.

    Could be a mutiny waiting?
     
    Too many slaves/lemmings to make this likely. Either way 404 loses very badly, but things would be accelerated if a Akhmad Kadyrov type of personality does get out from the VSU structure and accumulates enough support from former VSU to fight against them. Very unlikely because this would require tens of thousands of men..........and with the amount of control the western powers have over this military ( so completely different with Chechens) , all the coercive weapons they can use (bribery, giving wife and children mansion and education in west, top doctors etc), all the preventative methods they have to stop this from happening before enough personnel accumulated would make it possible etc. Unfortunate, as without the total western control all the conditions are there for several Akhmad Kadyrov's to emerge.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Mikhail

    CNN utilized hack Mick Ryan downplayed the Zaluzhny-Zelensky spat as something normal among democracies in armed conflict. He had a different spin regarding Prigozhin’s foolish move. Such is the hypocrisy along the lines of Iran can’t arm folks opposing US troops, while it’s okay for Western governments to actively support fatal action against Russians. “Rules based international order”.

    Earlier on in the SMO, I noted how the mood in Chechnya noticeably changed, noting that such is (down the line) possible within Kiev regime controlled Ukraine.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail


    CNN utilized hack Mick Ryan downplayed the Zaluzhny-Zelensky spat as something normal among democracies in armed conflict. He had a different spin regarding Prigozhin’s foolish move.
     
    If the rift between Zelensky and Zaluzhny is as it is sometimes presented, it is no worse than the conflict between Truman and Macarthur.

    Neither Zaluzhny nor MacArthur marched their troops towards the capital, capturing cities and killing loyalist soldiers on the way.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  251. German_reader says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yevardian


    almost certainly the most sombre tragedy humanity has produced since WWII
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366

    We could easily make a very long list. : (

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yevardian

    Did the Iran-Iraq war or the Vietnam war have any lasting demographic consequences for the populations involved (the main ones, not counting something like the various minorities who fought on the US side in Vietnam)? The Ukraine war is unprecedented insofar as it’s a fairly high-intensity war between two peoples that already have sub-replacement fertility and don’t really have any spare sons to throw into the meat grinder. At least in Ukraine’s case the demographic consequences of the war are likely to be quite devastating.

  252. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    Mr. Hack, wrong as usual.

    I object to the Ukrainian war of choice against Russia. The details of this mess are slightly subtle and apparently half of the Unz crowd is too dumb to recognize what has happened or maybe just too crazy to accept it. The West has used Ukraine as a proxy to fight Russia as a continuation of the Cold War and the Great Game before that. This is just another case of a bully (the West) trying to kill the next strongest player (Russia) or beat him into submission. This sort of thing has been going on throughout human history. In this case it is driven by power lust and fear and is completely immoral. Because of modern technology this type of conflict is much more dangerous for all of us than in times past. Technology is created through the exercise of creative brainpower so one can hope that people would be sensible enough to avoid conflicts such as exists in Ukraine. Unfortunately that is not how humans behave.

    The Ukrainian people were an easy mark for the West. Tribal sympathies such as yours as well as the actual blood feud-level angst and energy of NeoNazi Ukrainians make it easy for Western influences to lead Ukies to their pointless deaths.

    I am all for retaining and remembering our unique cultural histories which explain how we came to be. I am against murderous stupidity such as the West has nurtured in Ukraine and you wholeheartedly support.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Derer

    I agree with your post and you are right about the shallow illiterate, being wrong by contradicting his own arguments. He likes Slavs but in the next thought he hates Slavs.

    Ukraine would not be in this disastrous unwinnable situation if the Ami-Anglo Imperialists (headquarters in Washington), and their useful idiots, would not use Ukraine in their cowardly goal to destroy “disobedient” Russia. They almost succeeded in 90’s with constant kicking the wounded dog recovering from 75 years of communist tyranny.

    The Ami-Anglo Imperialists have no guts to start a direct attack on Russia (that would mean their end) but by using sheep of Ukraine led by foreign puppet.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Derer


    Ukraine would not be in this disastrous unwinnable situation if the Ami-Anglo Imperialists (headquarters in Washington), and their useful idiots, would not use Ukraine
     
    Please let me FTFY:

    Ukraine would not be in this disastrous unwinnable situation if the European Imperialists (headquarters in Berlin), and their useful idiots, would not use Ukraine


    their cowardly goal to destroy “disobedient” Russia.
     
    There is 0% chance of that happening. So why is the fighting going on with no goal? Yes. There is bureaucratic inertia. However, spending tens of billions of €uros for nothing is unsustainable.

    What do the European Imperialists gain by continuing with no chance of military victory for the Kiev aggressors? Berlin HQ obtains:

    • Strife in the Visegrád 4,which weakens Euroskeptic unity.
    • Migration flows where 1/3+ of "Ukrainian Refugees" are Muslims (MENA and sub-Sahara origin) on forged identity documents.

    Why insist on a complex, ineffectual plot overseas? The local scheming is more obvious, closer to the lines, and is producing a clear effect. The European Empire achieves a positive return on spending by creating havoc within existing EU member states.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Derer

  253. @A123
    @Yevardian


    It does honestly look from my vantage point that Ukraine is approaching the point of being crushed, whilst the Ukrainian ethnicity itself is facing extinction in the medium from the economic effects of the war.
     
    The sad part is the unnecessary nature of Kiev aggression. As I have mentioned several times before, sane Ukrainian leadership could work out a deal to save their country. A new border at more or less current lines. A wide DMZ. And, of course, limits on Ukraine arming up to start Round 2 of the fighting.

    If you look at how we got here, Merkel was the #1 operator. She personally tanked the Minsk deal. Since then the European Empire, led by Scholz and Macron, have kept the fight going. Their goals are met by they chaos, not Ukrainian victory.


    I noticed the Ukraine flags that had been hoisted on public buildings quietly being taken down everywhere around October/November last year.

    Poor Ukrainians really believed American support would be unconditional
     

    There was never deep "American support". It was an inch deep TikTok fad. How many Americans can find Ukraine on a globe?

    A single look at American politics should have convinced them otherwise on Day 1. Scholz & Macron obtained money from their puppet Not-The-President Biden. And, that cash flow was thus exceedingly vulnerable. Reduction or elimination of funding was highly predictable.

    Europe owns this mess, primarily Germany and France, though you could include the UK as well. The key question remains, "When will Kiev stop listening to these unrealistic European warmongers?" If they do not do so in time, Ukraine could indeed collapse and be carved up.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Kiev aggression

    It’s not aggresion when a country is involved in defending its borders. I keep on pointing this out to you, ye it doesn’t seem to penetrate your thick skull. It’s really Russian aggression and not Ukrainian aggression. Once you quit huffing the glue, this will all become clear to you.

  254. @Mikhail
    @Gerard1234

    CNN utilized hack Mick Ryan downplayed the Zaluzhny-Zelensky spat as something normal among democracies in armed conflict. He had a different spin regarding Prigozhin's foolish move. Such is the hypocrisy along the lines of Iran can't arm folks opposing US troops, while it's okay for Western governments to actively support fatal action against Russians. "Rules based international order".

    Earlier on in the SMO, I noted how the mood in Chechnya noticeably changed, noting that such is (down the line) possible within Kiev regime controlled Ukraine.

    Replies: @AP

    CNN utilized hack Mick Ryan downplayed the Zaluzhny-Zelensky spat as something normal among democracies in armed conflict. He had a different spin regarding Prigozhin’s foolish move.

    If the rift between Zelensky and Zaluzhny is as it is sometimes presented, it is no worse than the conflict between Truman and Macarthur.

    Neither Zaluzhny nor MacArthur marched their troops towards the capital, capturing cities and killing loyalist soldiers on the way.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP

    As has been reported (Kiev regime based and other media), Budanov and Syrsky clearly indicating they don't want to replace him, in addition to Zaluzhny refusing Zelensky's request to have him resign and take some other job.

    Nuland's Kiev visit is for clear damage control over the ongoing neocon proxy war project.

    Prigozhin's march on Moscow was sheer folly with him saying it wasn't intended for a regime change. Doesn't seem like the bulk of Wagner backed him.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  255. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    You’ve gone on before about how you dislike Shevchenko and his poetry,
     
    For about 99.99% of Ukrops Shevchenko is not their favourite poet . You think ukrops believe Shevchenko is anywhere near Pushkin in quality? Russian poets and writers directly connect to their mentality, "soul", culture. No sane person thinks these great Russian writers were "imposed" on them

    Shevchenko and his poetry, a real telltale giveaway that you’re Ukrainophobic.
     
    Shevchenko was Ukrainophobic.......its absolutely clear in his writings that he did not consider Galician retards as the same people as him i.e Uniates not "Ukrainian", and that the geographic cossack land is from the Dniester to the Dnieper (or the Don, can't remember). Maybe the so-called folk saying of "Ukraine is from the San to the Don" is another piece of ukronazi fakism designed to coverup what was the actual belief at the time?
    Clear that if you filter through all the schizophrenic, contradictory stuff ( typical for "Ukrainianism" ) that Shevchenko did consider himself Russian.

    All this is hilarious because in Ukrainian "culture", Lesya "Ukrainka" is from Rusyn heritage and either Russian or something else on her fathers side - and her mother is supposed to have been a wakjob from a Russian speaking family and with a Russian speaking husband........imposing strict fake mova-only rules on her children , "Vovchuk"- a Russian (WTF is it with these fake names?) , Gogol -considered himself Russian and wrote only in Russian, Franko was Rusyn and something else....zero Ukronazi blood in him, Bulgakov- LOL. There's others also. None of them actually true"Ukrainian"- the closest being Gogol. With the exception of Franko all all them from the Tsarist side of what is now "Ukraine" - which is very indicative itself. Shevchenko did this from serfdom, i.e he is entire creation of Russian elite that bought him out from serfdom, further educated him, promoted him, paid him, printed him etc. As far as I know Shevchenko never even went to Galicia or Volynia

    What's more important is that in this era, ALL of them would be on Mirotvorets list.

    Historical myth of khokholism is descended from RUSSIAN Tsarist liberasts of the time historians as Milyukov, Klyuchevsky, Kostomarov and several others. Grushevsky only turned this nonsense into total pseudoscience later on with Austrian money. Main ukrop idealist "nationalist" is a freak with the "typical" Ukrainian name of........Dmitry Dontsov ,ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!

    The biggest Ukrainophiles.....were the Communists. All these writers I mentioned, ALL only became of part mass "Ukrainian" national consciousness ONLY because of the Bolsheviks who mass promoted them. Writers were promoted for perceived victim of Tsarist repression and particularly for most of them as Franko and Ukrainka........because of perceived Communist ideology. Ukronazi linkage only became a byproduct of the socialist ideals or anti-tsarism.
    Shevchenko is now solely an anti-Russian, not pro-Ukraine project. This is very appropriate as there is no existant thing as "pro-Ukraine", the entire state, the entire thing is an anti-Russia freakshow.

    Liberast, bored Russians were the genesis of "Ukrainianism", Hapsburg and polish dickheads were the ignition of it.........and Communists were the fuel, and the glue of Ukrainianism. The drug addict (((Zelensky))) and his accompanying gang of scum are the jagged-edge dildo of Ukrainianism.

    Who the Ukrainaphobes are though is clear........its the nutjob self-loathing, acting homo all day in the kriyivka without taking a bath-Ukrainian "nationalist" who is Ukrainophobe. LOL. They always required the ukrop idea to be about peasant civilisation, village mentality with preserved slavic traditions.......this though make them self-conscious about thinking how simple and stupid they are, and is completely incompatible with their delusions of grandeur of part of "great European civilisation" with Michelangelo, Shakespeare, Kant, da Vinci etc. So simultaneously they despise Ukrainian "culture" but promote it. Communists of course were so interlocked with promoting the peasant civilisation in Malrossiya across the centuries - so they hate Communists FOR their promotion of ukrainian national identity!!

    All so ridiculous. I suspect the great film Wedding at Malinovka is banned from being shown in 404 by the Ukronazis since 2014 - precisely because of the issues I mentioned in the previous paragraph. If not officially banned I would guess that unofficially they refuse to show it, and other Soviet films of that type.


    Black Hundreds, that were known for burning down Ukrainian libraries and cultural centers:
     
    Over-exaggerated drivel, Hack. Facts are that large majority of "Ukrainians" rejected the idea of any Ukraine - partly also explains one of the reasons Petliura lasted about 3 seconds in Kiev before thrown out.

    Across the large Russian world there are going to be varying cultural aspects......but absolutely none of them merit classification into different people or culture. Most of those small cultural difference in song, dress, food or whatever became so mixed into Russian world - even as far as the Arctic and Far East there is ukrop cultural influence - that it's impossible to separate into 2 different peoples. India has several different language, and the women in the north were their one-piece dress draped in a different direction to those from the South, different religions across it.......but its still clear to everyone that these are all Indian people and shouldn't be living in different nations. Texans are extremely different to New Yorkers in how they act and mentality, food specialities too probably.........but they clearly part of same nation. Russians and even the biggest difference in Ukrainian culture are a million times LESS than those in India or the Texas-New York thing I mentioned.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Philip Owen

    For about 99.99% of Ukrops Shevchenko is not their favourite poet

    I think that you’re clearly mistaken on this subject matter. Shevchenko often rises to the very top of any polls conducted related to favorite Ukrainians. In an open poll conducted in late 2022, Taras Shevchenko was voted among the very top of “Most important Ukrainians of all time:

    Poet Taras Shevchenko once again became the rating leader (63.9%). He is followed by incumbent President Volodymyr Zelensky (29.8%), Lesya Ukrainka (19.6%), Bohdan Khmelnytskyi (17.3%), and Stepan Bandera (12.8%). Also in the top ten were Mykhailo Hrushevskyi (11.6%), Ivan Franko (10.1%), Ivan Mazepa (8.8%), Vyacheslav Chornovil (8.7%), and Valery Zaluzhnyi (7.7%).

    If you can provide any contradictory information, I’m all ears.

    Shevchenko is now solely an anti-Russian, not pro-Ukraine project. This is very appropriate as there is no existant thing as “pro-Ukraine”, the entire state, the entire thing is an anti-Russia freakshow.

    Not pro-Ukrainian. Then what was the point of him writing the poems “Caucuses” and “Love Your Dear Ukraine”?
    https://www.weareukraine.info/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/MAR9_history_387_10-1024×1024.png

  256. @Yevardian
    @Gerard1234

    I know I've complained about the circular discussions here regarding the Ukraine war before, but I just wanted to say, at this point, this war has honestly been almost certainly the most sombre tragedy humanity has produced since WWII. Just such a disgusting waste. Two formerly united peoples mutually dragging each other down into the abyss, and even bringing down much of Europe with them.

    It does honestly look from my vantage point that Ukraine is approaching the point of being crushed, whilst the Ukrainian ethnicity itself is facing extinction in the medium from the economic effects of the war. When the Gaza war broke out around the time Ukraine's offensive was floundering, I was suprised myself by own level of disgust (despite not at all being a partisan of Ukraine's quixotic war) when here in the west the entire media focus shifted overnight. I noticed the Ukraine flags that had been hoisted on public buildings quiely being taken down everywhere around October/November last year. Poor Ukrainians really believed American support would be unconditional, when in reality as soon as the momentum had turned against them, and Russia sufficiently bled, they were simply abandoned overnight, realising they were cannon fodder all along.

    But at the same time this war has truly reveiled the bankruptcy of Russia's government, the fact that they're now looking to carve some kind of pyrrhic victory in some kind of frozen conflict resolution doesn't change the fact this war has been a total fiasco for Russia also. Even as a relative outside observer this entire saga has just been incredibly depressing... but imagine being Karlin, investing your entire identity and future career into remigrating to Russia as a "Russian Nationalist" (was never sure what degree of trolling was involved, the average Russian nationalist would beat him up as a чурка, just bizarre) and having a live mental breakdown becoming a tranny advocate. Whatever.

    Meanwhile Central Asia continues to phase out Russian, cultivating national identities that for the most part never even existed prior to Soviet patronage. The state of Armenia looks poised for extermination this century. Europe, the US and Oceania are having their populations replaced in large part by ethnicities that never would have left the middle ages if not for European contact. Cultural output of any lasting worth seems to be collapsing everywhere. Perhaps I'm just in a very poor state of mind recently for personal reasons unrelated to all of this, such is this schpiel more typical of German_Reader. But I'm really struggling to see any source of optimism for the short to medium future for the world as a whole.

    eh

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @Gerard1234, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @AnonfromTN, @Derer

    I know I’ve complained about the circular discussions here regarding the Ukraine war before, but I just wanted to say, at this point, this war has honestly been almost certainly the most sombre tragedy humanity has produced since WWII. Just such a disgusting waste.

    Complete agreement with this part.

    It does honestly look from my vantage point that Ukraine is approaching the point of being crushed, whilst the Ukrainian ethnicity itself is facing extinction in the medium from the economic effects of the war.

    Disagree with this part. It’s a remote possibility – if Russia manages to conquer the entire country or to keep it out of the EU and link it to itself (which would probably entail conquest). Then there would be mass exodus, a half-empty land settled by Eurasians, Ukrainian culture snuffed out in that region, etc. This is extremely unlikely.

    If there is a stable ceasefire and Ukraine (minus whatever territories) joins the EU and/or NATO it will resume the positive prewar economic advancement. In the worst and least likely case (Ukraine down to 1939 Western borders) it would probably converge with its western neighbors fairly quickly and would just be another Visegrad-style nation, with around 12-14 million people. The population loss from these regions of people moving Westward would be more than compensated for by refugees from central and eastern Ukraine – Lviv now has 10,000s more people than it had before the war, the other western Ukrainian cities have also seen increases. These areas aren’t damaged much, they can benefit a lot from investment.

    In the more likely case that the borders will be around the current lines, wealth will come more slowly but there will be more potential. The most heavily ruined places are the ones that the Russians occupy, if the Russians keep them then the reconstruction money will mean massive modernization and upgrades for the less-damaged parts of Free Ukraine.

    I was suprised myself by own level of disgust (despite not at all being a partisan of Ukraine’s quixotic war) when here in the west the entire media focus shifted overnight. I noticed the Ukraine flags that had been hoisted on public buildings quiely being taken down everywhere around October/November last year. Poor Ukrainians really believed American support would be unconditional, when in reality as soon as the momentum had turned against them, and Russia sufficiently bled, they were simply abandoned overnight,

    And others are stepping in to help out. EU just approved a $50 billion package. Weapons and ammunition continue to pour in mostly from other sources (but USA discovered that they can send some new glide bombs) – not as much as they should, but enough to prevent a collapse while Russia continues to bleed itself out at a greater rate with its stupid and desperate attacks in winter against fortified positions.

    But at the same time this war has truly reveiled the bankruptcy of Russia’s government, the fact that they’re now looking to carve some kind of pyrrhic victory in some kind of frozen conflict resolution doesn’t change the fact this war has been a total fiasco for Russia also.

    It has been, but Russia also will recover from this idiocy. It is big enough and has resources.

    You are seeing things too much from an Armenian lens, your people’s situation is much more dire.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Disagree with this part. It’s a remote possibility – if Russia manages to conquer the entire country or to keep it out of the EU and link it to itself (which would probably entail conquest). Then there would be mass exodus, a half-empty land settled by Eurasians, Ukrainian culture snuffed out in that region, etc. This is extremely unlikely.

     

    Any chance that in such an extremely unlikely scenario, Russia could eventually decide to pull out of Ukraine due to it already being deprived of a lot of Ukraine's human capital due to mass emigration? Or would new realities on the ground make a Russian withdrawal difficult to implement, especially if Russia will fear that its new settlers along with Ukraine's ethnic Russian and Russophone populations are going to get ethnically cleansed from Ukraine in the style of the Algerian pieds-noirs if Russia will ever withdraw from Ukraine?

    You are seeing things too much from an Armenian lens, your people’s situation is much more dire.

     

    IMHO, Armenia should aim to join the European Union as soon as it can. Follow in Ukraine's footsteps, if you will. But without prior Turkish or Georgian EU membership, Armenian EU membership is awfully difficult for logistical reasons, I would suspect.

    The Armenians really did get severely fucked over by the break-up of Greater Russia both in the 1910s and in the 1990s. Of course, it would have probably been best of all had the Armenians remained under Iranian rule and not been conquered by the Russians in the early 19th century.
  257. @Derer
    @QCIC

    I agree with your post and you are right about the shallow illiterate, being wrong by contradicting his own arguments. He likes Slavs but in the next thought he hates Slavs.

    Ukraine would not be in this disastrous unwinnable situation if the Ami-Anglo Imperialists (headquarters in Washington), and their useful idiots, would not use Ukraine in their cowardly goal to destroy "disobedient" Russia. They almost succeeded in 90's with constant kicking the wounded dog recovering from 75 years of communist tyranny.

    The Ami-Anglo Imperialists have no guts to start a direct attack on Russia (that would mean their end) but by using sheep of Ukraine led by foreign puppet.

    Replies: @A123

    Ukraine would not be in this disastrous unwinnable situation if the Ami-Anglo Imperialists (headquarters in Washington), and their useful idiots, would not use Ukraine

    Please let me FTFY:

    Ukraine would not be in this disastrous unwinnable situation if the European Imperialists (headquarters in Berlin), and their useful idiots, would not use Ukraine

    their cowardly goal to destroy “disobedient” Russia.

    There is 0% chance of that happening. So why is the fighting going on with no goal? Yes. There is bureaucratic inertia. However, spending tens of billions of €uros for nothing is unsustainable.

    What do the European Imperialists gain by continuing with no chance of military victory for the Kiev aggressors? Berlin HQ obtains:

    • Strife in the Visegrád 4,which weakens Euroskeptic unity.
    • Migration flows where 1/3+ of “Ukrainian Refugees” are Muslims (MENA and sub-Sahara origin) on forged identity documents.

    Why insist on a complex, ineffectual plot overseas? The local scheming is more obvious, closer to the lines, and is producing a clear effect. The European Empire achieves a positive return on spending by creating havoc within existing EU member states.

    PEACE 😇

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Derer
    @A123


    Ukraine would not be in this disastrous unwinnable situation if the European Imperialists (headquarters in Berlin), and their useful idiots, would not use Ukraine
     
    No. This is refuted by the Ami-Anglo Imperialists yoke on Germany which is evident by the destruction of the German infrastructure highly beneficial for their energy supplies and costing billions. The very pipeline (Russo-German) project signifies German's good relation with Russia - that made Ami-Anglo Imperialist going berserk. They are the one to use Ukraine and coerced European thru NATO for it.

    The J politburo impeached and constantly harassed Trump for going against their militaristic plans.

    Replies: @A123

  258. @Yevardian
    @Gerard1234

    I know I've complained about the circular discussions here regarding the Ukraine war before, but I just wanted to say, at this point, this war has honestly been almost certainly the most sombre tragedy humanity has produced since WWII. Just such a disgusting waste. Two formerly united peoples mutually dragging each other down into the abyss, and even bringing down much of Europe with them.

    It does honestly look from my vantage point that Ukraine is approaching the point of being crushed, whilst the Ukrainian ethnicity itself is facing extinction in the medium from the economic effects of the war. When the Gaza war broke out around the time Ukraine's offensive was floundering, I was suprised myself by own level of disgust (despite not at all being a partisan of Ukraine's quixotic war) when here in the west the entire media focus shifted overnight. I noticed the Ukraine flags that had been hoisted on public buildings quiely being taken down everywhere around October/November last year. Poor Ukrainians really believed American support would be unconditional, when in reality as soon as the momentum had turned against them, and Russia sufficiently bled, they were simply abandoned overnight, realising they were cannon fodder all along.

    But at the same time this war has truly reveiled the bankruptcy of Russia's government, the fact that they're now looking to carve some kind of pyrrhic victory in some kind of frozen conflict resolution doesn't change the fact this war has been a total fiasco for Russia also. Even as a relative outside observer this entire saga has just been incredibly depressing... but imagine being Karlin, investing your entire identity and future career into remigrating to Russia as a "Russian Nationalist" (was never sure what degree of trolling was involved, the average Russian nationalist would beat him up as a чурка, just bizarre) and having a live mental breakdown becoming a tranny advocate. Whatever.

    Meanwhile Central Asia continues to phase out Russian, cultivating national identities that for the most part never even existed prior to Soviet patronage. The state of Armenia looks poised for extermination this century. Europe, the US and Oceania are having their populations replaced in large part by ethnicities that never would have left the middle ages if not for European contact. Cultural output of any lasting worth seems to be collapsing everywhere. Perhaps I'm just in a very poor state of mind recently for personal reasons unrelated to all of this, such is this schpiel more typical of German_Reader. But I'm really struggling to see any source of optimism for the short to medium future for the world as a whole.

    eh

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @Gerard1234, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @AnonfromTN, @Derer

    in some kind of frozen conflict resolution

    The war is not over yet. The Ukrainian pawn will be beaten to pulp. Whatever part of it Russia decides to leave as a token “Ukraine” (i.e., will be reluctant to invest in restoration) will be a satellite state. Maybe not as insignificant and despised as Balts are for the empire, but still. The conflict of Russia with NATO will be frozen at Polish-Hungarian-Romanian border. We’ll see if and when the next round starts.

    Geostrategic results are that Western Europe is in deep shit (figuratively everywhere, literally in Germany and France) and the US power is in decline. What’s more, the internal situation in the US is worsening, but this should be credited to the traitors in Washington more than to Putin. Texas rebelled against these traitors, and the governors of 25 states expressed their support for Texas. Florida is even sending 1,000 national guard troops to Texas to help it. So, there is still hope for the US, but none for Europe.

    It that is Pyrrhic victory, I am the Pope.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    It that is Pyrrhic victory, I am the Pope.
     
    https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2015-06/1434033329_130.jpg

    Who knows, maybe professor Janissary has found religion? :-)
    , @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    in some kind of frozen conflict resolution

    The war is not over yet. The Ukrainian pawn will be beaten to pulp.
     
    In Avdiivka? A month from now? After Russia loses a few more thousand men while taking it?
  259. @AP
    @Mikhail


    CNN utilized hack Mick Ryan downplayed the Zaluzhny-Zelensky spat as something normal among democracies in armed conflict. He had a different spin regarding Prigozhin’s foolish move.
     
    If the rift between Zelensky and Zaluzhny is as it is sometimes presented, it is no worse than the conflict between Truman and Macarthur.

    Neither Zaluzhny nor MacArthur marched their troops towards the capital, capturing cities and killing loyalist soldiers on the way.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    As has been reported (Kiev regime based and other media), Budanov and Syrsky clearly indicating they don’t want to replace him, in addition to Zaluzhny refusing Zelensky’s request to have him resign and take some other job.

    Nuland’s Kiev visit is for clear damage control over the ongoing neocon proxy war project.

    Prigozhin’s march on Moscow was sheer folly with him saying it wasn’t intended for a regime change. Doesn’t seem like the bulk of Wagner backed him.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mikhail


    Budanov and Syrsky clearly indicating they don’t want to replace him
     
    Apparently, both have some functional brains: no even half-smart person would want to be responsible for what happens next. Zaluzhnyi is trapped: he cannot relinquish his position for fear of being assassinated by the clown’s gang, so he will be responsible for the the military catastrophe. If he manages to escape in time, he might remain alive (unless his and clown’s puppet masters decide to get rid of him).

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard

  260. @Mikhail
    @AP

    As has been reported (Kiev regime based and other media), Budanov and Syrsky clearly indicating they don't want to replace him, in addition to Zaluzhny refusing Zelensky's request to have him resign and take some other job.

    Nuland's Kiev visit is for clear damage control over the ongoing neocon proxy war project.

    Prigozhin's march on Moscow was sheer folly with him saying it wasn't intended for a regime change. Doesn't seem like the bulk of Wagner backed him.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Budanov and Syrsky clearly indicating they don’t want to replace him

    Apparently, both have some functional brains: no even half-smart person would want to be responsible for what happens next. Zaluzhnyi is trapped: he cannot relinquish his position for fear of being assassinated by the clown’s gang, so he will be responsible for the the military catastrophe. If he manages to escape in time, he might remain alive (unless his and clown’s puppet masters decide to get rid of him).

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    no even half-smart person would want to be responsible for what happens next.
     
    You're on the right track Professor. Only you haven't yet figured out who the real "half brain" is who's responsible for this tragic war within Ukraine. Let me try and help you out here:

    https://image.cagle.com/262626/750/262626.png

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/02/02/zaluzhny-zelensky-white-house/

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  261. @AnonfromTN
    @Yevardian


    in some kind of frozen conflict resolution
     
    The war is not over yet. The Ukrainian pawn will be beaten to pulp. Whatever part of it Russia decides to leave as a token “Ukraine” (i.e., will be reluctant to invest in restoration) will be a satellite state. Maybe not as insignificant and despised as Balts are for the empire, but still. The conflict of Russia with NATO will be frozen at Polish-Hungarian-Romanian border. We’ll see if and when the next round starts.

    Geostrategic results are that Western Europe is in deep shit (figuratively everywhere, literally in Germany and France) and the US power is in decline. What’s more, the internal situation in the US is worsening, but this should be credited to the traitors in Washington more than to Putin. Texas rebelled against these traitors, and the governors of 25 states expressed their support for Texas. Florida is even sending 1,000 national guard troops to Texas to help it. So, there is still hope for the US, but none for Europe.

    It that is Pyrrhic victory, I am the Pope.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    It that is Pyrrhic victory, I am the Pope.

    Who knows, maybe professor Janissary has found religion? 🙂

  262. @AnonfromTN
    @Mikhail


    Budanov and Syrsky clearly indicating they don’t want to replace him
     
    Apparently, both have some functional brains: no even half-smart person would want to be responsible for what happens next. Zaluzhnyi is trapped: he cannot relinquish his position for fear of being assassinated by the clown’s gang, so he will be responsible for the the military catastrophe. If he manages to escape in time, he might remain alive (unless his and clown’s puppet masters decide to get rid of him).

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard

    no even half-smart person would want to be responsible for what happens next.

    You’re on the right track Professor. Only you haven’t yet figured out who the real “half brain” is who’s responsible for this tragic war within Ukraine. Let me try and help you out here:

    • Disagree: Mikhail
  263. @AP
    @Yevardian


    I know I’ve complained about the circular discussions here regarding the Ukraine war before, but I just wanted to say, at this point, this war has honestly been almost certainly the most sombre tragedy humanity has produced since WWII. Just such a disgusting waste.
     
    Complete agreement with this part.

    It does honestly look from my vantage point that Ukraine is approaching the point of being crushed, whilst the Ukrainian ethnicity itself is facing extinction in the medium from the economic effects of the war.
     
    Disagree with this part. It's a remote possibility - if Russia manages to conquer the entire country or to keep it out of the EU and link it to itself (which would probably entail conquest). Then there would be mass exodus, a half-empty land settled by Eurasians, Ukrainian culture snuffed out in that region, etc. This is extremely unlikely.

    If there is a stable ceasefire and Ukraine (minus whatever territories) joins the EU and/or NATO it will resume the positive prewar economic advancement. In the worst and least likely case (Ukraine down to 1939 Western borders) it would probably converge with its western neighbors fairly quickly and would just be another Visegrad-style nation, with around 12-14 million people. The population loss from these regions of people moving Westward would be more than compensated for by refugees from central and eastern Ukraine - Lviv now has 10,000s more people than it had before the war, the other western Ukrainian cities have also seen increases. These areas aren't damaged much, they can benefit a lot from investment.

    In the more likely case that the borders will be around the current lines, wealth will come more slowly but there will be more potential. The most heavily ruined places are the ones that the Russians occupy, if the Russians keep them then the reconstruction money will mean massive modernization and upgrades for the less-damaged parts of Free Ukraine.

    I was suprised myself by own level of disgust (despite not at all being a partisan of Ukraine’s quixotic war) when here in the west the entire media focus shifted overnight. I noticed the Ukraine flags that had been hoisted on public buildings quiely being taken down everywhere around October/November last year. Poor Ukrainians really believed American support would be unconditional, when in reality as soon as the momentum had turned against them, and Russia sufficiently bled, they were simply abandoned overnight,
     
    And others are stepping in to help out. EU just approved a $50 billion package. Weapons and ammunition continue to pour in mostly from other sources (but USA discovered that they can send some new glide bombs) - not as much as they should, but enough to prevent a collapse while Russia continues to bleed itself out at a greater rate with its stupid and desperate attacks in winter against fortified positions.

    But at the same time this war has truly reveiled the bankruptcy of Russia’s government, the fact that they’re now looking to carve some kind of pyrrhic victory in some kind of frozen conflict resolution doesn’t change the fact this war has been a total fiasco for Russia also.
     
    It has been, but Russia also will recover from this idiocy. It is big enough and has resources.

    You are seeing things too much from an Armenian lens, your people's situation is much more dire.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Disagree with this part. It’s a remote possibility – if Russia manages to conquer the entire country or to keep it out of the EU and link it to itself (which would probably entail conquest). Then there would be mass exodus, a half-empty land settled by Eurasians, Ukrainian culture snuffed out in that region, etc. This is extremely unlikely.

    Any chance that in such an extremely unlikely scenario, Russia could eventually decide to pull out of Ukraine due to it already being deprived of a lot of Ukraine’s human capital due to mass emigration? Or would new realities on the ground make a Russian withdrawal difficult to implement, especially if Russia will fear that its new settlers along with Ukraine’s ethnic Russian and Russophone populations are going to get ethnically cleansed from Ukraine in the style of the Algerian pieds-noirs if Russia will ever withdraw from Ukraine?

    You are seeing things too much from an Armenian lens, your people’s situation is much more dire.

    IMHO, Armenia should aim to join the European Union as soon as it can. Follow in Ukraine’s footsteps, if you will. But without prior Turkish or Georgian EU membership, Armenian EU membership is awfully difficult for logistical reasons, I would suspect.

    The Armenians really did get severely fucked over by the break-up of Greater Russia both in the 1910s and in the 1990s. Of course, it would have probably been best of all had the Armenians remained under Iranian rule and not been conquered by the Russians in the early 19th century.

  264. @AP
    @Mikel


    Well, as I understand it, they put you in a group of people that share a common male ancestor but there’s not much actual genealogy there. My Y haplogroup (R1b-L23 if I remember correctly) only tells me that there’s hundreds of thousands of people who, like me, descend from some guy who lived thousands of years ago
     
    It can be narrowed down further, to the Middle Ages in some cases, depending on the kit used. And one can find clusters of people with the same paternal ancestry, to see where they are. This becomes somewhat more meaningful.



    We had an old family legend in the paternal line of Norse descent, druzhina (retinue of the Rus princes) that came to Kiev from the North and escaped to Galicia ~300 years ago following some political struggles. Found out that the paternal haplogroup was actually Baltic Slav, not Norse. Found no traces in Galicia, a small cluster in Kiev, and large clusters around Novgorod, Pskov (areas of heavy Varangian settlement), with many "hits" in Scandinavia also. So, a partial confirmation of the family legend thanks to the Y haplogroup test.

    But I agree with you that the autosomal DNA also offers a lot, and perhaps more but in a different way. We discovered that my wife's great-grandfather was a naughty man when he briefly lived in the Balkans :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ, @songbird

    We discovered that my wife’s great-grandfather was a naughty man when he briefly lived in the Balkans 🙂

    Your wife is of partial Balkan descent, descended from an ancient affair that her great-grandfather had?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ

    You should go easy on AP, somebody that you clearly respect. Can you imagine the honesty that he's revealed here and the trepidation that he had to overcome in order to admit that his children may have a small strain of Balkan DNA running through their genetic code? The guy is a paragon of honesty to reveal this information here, to a community of readers that includes a wide smattering of "Balkanoids"? :-)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    , @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    Your wife is of partial Balkan descent
     
    No, rather someone in the Balkans is of part Polish descent, as was discovered through 23andme. When we shared the story of how it must have happened the communication stopped, it was no longer exciting to have a cousin from Russia living in the USA. Which is odd - who cares, it occurred a long time ago... It's only an interesting story now, not a scandal.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  265. @AP
    @Beckow


    “Leverage to balance” is control by the Anglos – at least pretend to a neutral language.
     
    Anglos can influence, but they are too far to control. Russians and Germans pose a greater danger of controlling.

    Crimea and Donbas are Russian ethnically and it was a mistake to attach them to Ukraine.
     
    Maybe. Was it also a mistake to include Sudetenland and the Hungarian-inhabited territories in Czechoslovakia?

    Rest of Ukraine: Russia wants to prevent any danger from there – they are creating a wide buffer zone.
     
    Who is to stop them from deciding that the former Warsaw Pact should also be a buffer zone? To limit problems in Ukraine.

    80% of people in Belarus declare Russian as their native language – they have lived together for 1,000 years, same religion, mentality.
     
    Ignorance as usual. What 1000 years? Belarus was part of Lithuania from 1242 until 1793 - 500 years.

    Baltic mini-states have 25-30% Russian minorities who have lived there for generations. If the Balts simply treated them like equal citizens with normal Euro rights there would be no problems. If they don’t there will be – but how is that an “empire”?
     
    This is the justification Russian imperialists would use to conquer the Baltics and add them to their Empire.

    You like to make excuses but the bottom line is that Russians are building a neo-Russian Empire. Is it in Germany's or Central Europe's interests to border a massive neo-Russian Empire? Or is it better to prevent it from forming? Doing so can be done most cheaply and most quickly in Ukraine.

    Poland?
     
    Poland will defend the Baltics and is arming for it.

    Russian Empire included Central Asia…It is a Eurasian Empire.

    So? What’s wrong with Central Asia?
     
    Nothing is wrong with Central Asia. Did I say something was?

    You mentioned poor Russian demographics and I pointed out that the demographics of Central Asia are healthy, with an increasing population. Thus the population of Eurasia (including Russia) is increasing.

    You racism is sickening...why your obsessive hatred
     
    I said nothing bad about Central Asia. It's people are comparable to Mexicans in some ways. You've already revealed that you dislike Mexicans. If Mexicans were moderate Muslims they would be a lot like Central Asians.

    You've just been caught projecting your own racism, Beckow.

    It really isn't surprising. Slovakia was Hitler's most loyal servant among all the western and eastern Slavs. Your mask slipped.

    Russia is a Euroasian country and has been for 400 years
     
    Much longer than that, but we already know that you don't know history.

    There is nothing wrong for Russia and the rest of Eurasia to develop together and build their Eurasia. I just want my European homeland (and that of the Baltic peoples) to stay out of it. Not because I hate it, because it is foreign to us.

    You should worry instead about Mestizos beating up your cops
     
    LOL, says the guy accusing others of racism.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    This is the justification Russian imperialists would use to conquer the Baltics and add them to their Empire.

    Conquering the Baltics won’t do much unless Finland is also conquered because NATO could simply station nuclear missiles in Finland instead of the Baltics if NATO was ever actually feeling very aggressive (which is very, very unlikely, of course). Attacking both the Baltics and Finland would require simultaneous attacks on two fronts.

    I said nothing bad about Central Asia. It’s people are comparable to Mexicans in some ways. You’ve already revealed that you dislike Mexicans. If Mexicans were moderate Muslims they would be a lot like Central Asians.

    There is nothing wrong for Russia and the rest of Eurasia to develop together and build their Eurasia. I just want my European homeland (and that of the Baltic peoples) to stay out of it. Not because I hate it, because it is foreign to us.

    I dream of a day where Russia will be as successful at once again integrating Muslims on a huge scale similar to how the US is successful at integrating Latin Americans on a large scale. 🙂

  266. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    We discovered that my wife’s great-grandfather was a naughty man when he briefly lived in the Balkans 🙂
     
    Your wife is of partial Balkan descent, descended from an ancient affair that her great-grandfather had?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    You should go easy on AP, somebody that you clearly respect. Can you imagine the honesty that he’s revealed here and the trepidation that he had to overcome in order to admit that his children may have a small strain of Balkan DNA running through their genetic code? The guy is a paragon of honesty to reveal this information here, to a community of readers that includes a wide smattering of “Balkanoids”? 🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. Hack

    I wonder how AP feels about Balkanoids who aren't Serbs. He has a dislike of Serbs due to WWI, but how does he feel about the other Balkanoids such as Greeks, Romanians, Montenegrins, Bosniaks, Macedonians, Albanians, and Bulgarians? Greeks at least have a long reputation for high culture due to ancient Greece and Byzantium. They are the Balkanoid cognitive elites. But what about the other Balkanoids mentioned above here?

    AP does certainly view Austria-Hungary as a civilizing force in the Balkans and probably deeply regrets that Catherine the Great's Greek Plan never actually came to fruition:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Plan

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Great_Catherine%27s_dream.png

    The entire western Balkans could have been civilized by Austria in such a scenario.

    I suspect that AP deeply laments that Balkanoids did not have their own version of Austria-Hungary for almost 1,000 years or so, ever since the Byzantine Empire lost its strength and began declining.

    I also suspect that out of all of the Balkanoids, AP probably feels the most sympathy towards the Catholic northern Albanians due to the fact that AP's secret cow of Austria-Hungary was likewise mostly Roman Catholic (and with AP himself being a Greek Catholic):

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/hkf676/dominant_religious_groups_in_europe_based_on/

    (Northern Transylvanians are also mostly Greek Catholics but they're a part of the former Austria-Hungary and so are less a part of the Balkans than most of the rest of Romania is.)

    , @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    You should go easy on AP, somebody that you clearly respect. Can you imagine the honesty that he’s revealed here and the trepidation that he had to overcome in order to admit that his children may have a small strain of Balkan DNA
     
    If someone's great-grandfather was naughty abroad such as on an extended visit to the Balkans, this doesn't translate into his legitimate children being part Balkan. Rather, it means that someone in the Balkans is descended from him.



    My wife is 1/8 Kalmyk, but not of Balkan descent.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  267. @Emil Nikola Richard
    Carlton Meyer does the SMO war.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ7NjN_Qr-E

    Anybody know Mr Meyer's haplogroup?

    Replies: @QCIC

    Another useful video. Radio silence from the Ukies here.

    In the map, Western flights to Ukraine are interesting. Are these NATO supply flights? After the beginning of the SMO around 7:50 in the video they start landing in Poland instead of Kiev and the rate of arrivals greatly increases.

  268. @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ

    You should go easy on AP, somebody that you clearly respect. Can you imagine the honesty that he's revealed here and the trepidation that he had to overcome in order to admit that his children may have a small strain of Balkan DNA running through their genetic code? The guy is a paragon of honesty to reveal this information here, to a community of readers that includes a wide smattering of "Balkanoids"? :-)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    I wonder how AP feels about Balkanoids who aren’t Serbs. He has a dislike of Serbs due to WWI, but how does he feel about the other Balkanoids such as Greeks, Romanians, Montenegrins, Bosniaks, Macedonians, Albanians, and Bulgarians? Greeks at least have a long reputation for high culture due to ancient Greece and Byzantium. They are the Balkanoid cognitive elites. But what about the other Balkanoids mentioned above here?

    AP does certainly view Austria-Hungary as a civilizing force in the Balkans and probably deeply regrets that Catherine the Great’s Greek Plan never actually came to fruition:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Plan

    The entire western Balkans could have been civilized by Austria in such a scenario.

    I suspect that AP deeply laments that Balkanoids did not have their own version of Austria-Hungary for almost 1,000 years or so, ever since the Byzantine Empire lost its strength and began declining.

    I also suspect that out of all of the Balkanoids, AP probably feels the most sympathy towards the Catholic northern Albanians due to the fact that AP’s secret cow of Austria-Hungary was likewise mostly Roman Catholic (and with AP himself being a Greek Catholic):

    Dominant religious groups in Europe, based on censuses of 1930 or later, with boundaries from 1937. (compiled for the US Department of State, revised in October of 1946).
    byu/Kutili inMapPorn

    (Northern Transylvanians are also mostly Greek Catholics but they’re a part of the former Austria-Hungary and so are less a part of the Balkans than most of the rest of Romania is.)

  269. @A123
    @Derer


    Ukraine would not be in this disastrous unwinnable situation if the Ami-Anglo Imperialists (headquarters in Washington), and their useful idiots, would not use Ukraine
     
    Please let me FTFY:

    Ukraine would not be in this disastrous unwinnable situation if the European Imperialists (headquarters in Berlin), and their useful idiots, would not use Ukraine


    their cowardly goal to destroy “disobedient” Russia.
     
    There is 0% chance of that happening. So why is the fighting going on with no goal? Yes. There is bureaucratic inertia. However, spending tens of billions of €uros for nothing is unsustainable.

    What do the European Imperialists gain by continuing with no chance of military victory for the Kiev aggressors? Berlin HQ obtains:

    • Strife in the Visegrád 4,which weakens Euroskeptic unity.
    • Migration flows where 1/3+ of "Ukrainian Refugees" are Muslims (MENA and sub-Sahara origin) on forged identity documents.

    Why insist on a complex, ineffectual plot overseas? The local scheming is more obvious, closer to the lines, and is producing a clear effect. The European Empire achieves a positive return on spending by creating havoc within existing EU member states.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Derer

    Ukraine would not be in this disastrous unwinnable situation if the European Imperialists (headquarters in Berlin), and their useful idiots, would not use Ukraine

    No. This is refuted by the Ami-Anglo Imperialists yoke on Germany which is evident by the destruction of the German infrastructure highly beneficial for their energy supplies and costing billions. The very pipeline (Russo-German) project signifies German’s good relation with Russia – that made Ami-Anglo Imperialist going berserk. They are the one to use Ukraine and coerced European thru NATO for it.

    The J politburo impeached and constantly harassed Trump for going against their militaristic plans.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Derer

    No. This is refuted by the madness of German internal politics (100% U.S. free). Scholz personally caved to their Green party in his Traffic Light coalition. The entirely not American decision to turn off nuclear power has absolutely nothing to do with the U.S.

    The problem with Germany is Germany!

    No amount of diversion and misattribution can shift blame and responsibility off the leaders of the European Empire (Merkel and then Scholz). Merkel is personally responsible for undermining the Minsk deal.

    The European Empire, led by Scholz/Macron, has a yoke on their puppet Not-The-President Biden. He is a lobotomite. Everyone grasps that 'his' team answers to foreign powers, not Main Street America. No one serious believes that policy for Kiev aggression is being made in DC.

    The European politburo can no longer obtain money for their militaristic plans from U.S. Congress. If the European Empire wants to continue the fight for exclusively European Elite goals, they will have to pay for it without soaking the American taxpayer.

    PEACE 😇

  270. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    We discovered that my wife’s great-grandfather was a naughty man when he briefly lived in the Balkans 🙂
     
    Your wife is of partial Balkan descent, descended from an ancient affair that her great-grandfather had?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    Your wife is of partial Balkan descent

    No, rather someone in the Balkans is of part Polish descent, as was discovered through 23andme. When we shared the story of how it must have happened the communication stopped, it was no longer exciting to have a cousin from Russia living in the USA. Which is odd – who cares, it occurred a long time ago… It’s only an interesting story now, not a scandal.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Where did she herself think the Polish ancestry came from?

    And your own wife is part-Polish, correct?

  271. @AP
    @Mikel


    Well, as I understand it, they put you in a group of people that share a common male ancestor but there’s not much actual genealogy there. My Y haplogroup (R1b-L23 if I remember correctly) only tells me that there’s hundreds of thousands of people who, like me, descend from some guy who lived thousands of years ago
     
    It can be narrowed down further, to the Middle Ages in some cases, depending on the kit used. And one can find clusters of people with the same paternal ancestry, to see where they are. This becomes somewhat more meaningful.



    We had an old family legend in the paternal line of Norse descent, druzhina (retinue of the Rus princes) that came to Kiev from the North and escaped to Galicia ~300 years ago following some political struggles. Found out that the paternal haplogroup was actually Baltic Slav, not Norse. Found no traces in Galicia, a small cluster in Kiev, and large clusters around Novgorod, Pskov (areas of heavy Varangian settlement), with many "hits" in Scandinavia also. So, a partial confirmation of the family legend thanks to the Y haplogroup test.

    But I agree with you that the autosomal DNA also offers a lot, and perhaps more but in a different way. We discovered that my wife's great-grandfather was a naughty man when he briefly lived in the Balkans :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ, @songbird

    Have this theory that r used to feed into K more in the past, when cultural mores made the two more similar.

    Seems like a lot of people have a black sheep in the family, when you go back about three generations. Someone whose marriage doesn’t line up with their first child.

  272. @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. XYZ

    You should go easy on AP, somebody that you clearly respect. Can you imagine the honesty that he's revealed here and the trepidation that he had to overcome in order to admit that his children may have a small strain of Balkan DNA running through their genetic code? The guy is a paragon of honesty to reveal this information here, to a community of readers that includes a wide smattering of "Balkanoids"? :-)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    You should go easy on AP, somebody that you clearly respect. Can you imagine the honesty that he’s revealed here and the trepidation that he had to overcome in order to admit that his children may have a small strain of Balkan DNA

    If someone’s great-grandfather was naughty abroad such as on an extended visit to the Balkans, this doesn’t translate into his legitimate children being part Balkan. Rather, it means that someone in the Balkans is descended from him.

    [MORE]

    My wife is 1/8 Kalmyk, but not of Balkan descent.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Forgive me AP. I dared to imagine that your wife might have been of the "naughty"side of the lineage. Obviously, I don't understand how exactly these DNA research companies present their findings. I'm quite sure that I would appreciate your wife no matter who her great, great, great grandparents were, or yours for that matter.

    Replies: @AP

  273. @AnonfromTN
    @Yevardian


    in some kind of frozen conflict resolution
     
    The war is not over yet. The Ukrainian pawn will be beaten to pulp. Whatever part of it Russia decides to leave as a token “Ukraine” (i.e., will be reluctant to invest in restoration) will be a satellite state. Maybe not as insignificant and despised as Balts are for the empire, but still. The conflict of Russia with NATO will be frozen at Polish-Hungarian-Romanian border. We’ll see if and when the next round starts.

    Geostrategic results are that Western Europe is in deep shit (figuratively everywhere, literally in Germany and France) and the US power is in decline. What’s more, the internal situation in the US is worsening, but this should be credited to the traitors in Washington more than to Putin. Texas rebelled against these traitors, and the governors of 25 states expressed their support for Texas. Florida is even sending 1,000 national guard troops to Texas to help it. So, there is still hope for the US, but none for Europe.

    It that is Pyrrhic victory, I am the Pope.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    in some kind of frozen conflict resolution

    The war is not over yet. The Ukrainian pawn will be beaten to pulp.

    In Avdiivka? A month from now? After Russia loses a few more thousand men while taking it?

  274. German_reader says:

    https://en.mehrnews.com/news/211639/Iraqi-PM-declares-3-days-of-mourning-after-US-aggression

    According to a statement by the government of Iraq on social media, the prime minister announced the state of mourning ” across all state departments and institutions… in honor of the souls of the martyrs from our armed forces and the civilians who lost their lives due to the American bombing.”

    Following the United States’ broad aggression on areas in Iraq and Syria late Saturday, the Security and Defense Committee in the Iraqi parliament said that the US-led coalition forces present in the country are “destabilizing the situation,” and called on the government to expedite the reaching of an agreement on their withdrawal.

    According to CENTCOM, US forces struck more than 85 targets in Iraq and Syria with numerous aircraft, including long-range bombers that were said to have taken off from the United States.

    I wonder what the kind of people who are posting comments even on UR along the lines of “Iraq war was totally worth it, at least Iraqis have a democracy now” make of this. But I suppose it doesn’t even register with them.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    Wonder how he would feel, if Saddam had been a homo.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    If Iraq wants US troops out, I have no problem fulfilling their request. They are a sovereignty country, after all. It's not like they're building nukes or anything, thankfully.

  275. Am fascinated by this whole Bollywood vs. Tollywood thing.

    My knowledge couldn’t be anymore superficial, but it’s interesting how the latter somehow seems to have exceeded the former. How and why exactly?

    On YouTube they call Bollywood “Bullywood” and say that it’s stars hate the fans, and that they have insulted the gods and are degenerate in their mores. Tollywood is also supposed to have better FX and is supposed to be better at the pan-Indian film.

    But I am not sure to what extent this isn’t just Indian regional factionalism.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    B0llywood is just Mughal culture but Mughals post Nadir Shah, Afghans & Sikhs LOL.
    Basically, Biden's America instead of Ronald Raygun.
    It's also called Brothelwood & uses a lot of Urdu songs (language of prostitutes).

    Bollywood was previously Lollywood for Lahore, Punjab.
    Lahore is closer to Almaty than Bombay tho LOL so pretty dif culture.
    In Bombay there's no rowdy locals who burn theaters for degeneracy.

    Prior to the 1947 partition of India into the Republic of India and Pakistan, the Lahore film industry was initially part of the British Raj-era cinema of India. The Bombay cinema industry (now known as Hindi cinema or "Bollywood" in modern India) was closely linked to the Lahore film industry, as both produced films in the Hindustani language, also known as Hindi-Urdu, the lingua franca of northern and central British India.[11] Many actors, filmmakers and musicians from the Lahore industry migrated to the Bombay industry during the 1940s, including actors K. L. Saigal, Prithviraj Kapoor, Dilip Kumar and Dev Anand as well as playback singers Mohammed Rafi, Noorjahan and Shamshad Begum

    Lot of regional cinema is outpacing Bollywood, however Bollywood's main grab is importing foreign girls.
    Only a few places beat it in that & not gonna mention that here.

    Hint:

    https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/777363024196796426/1185697450980282378/IMG_4098.png?ex=65d1274d&is=65beb24d&hm=c96dc4db9777aa8bb370aedc5b8174f4401dfbff6c3d557273e2c358e3b36849&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=462&height=678

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @songbird

  276. Sher Singh says:
    @songbird
    Am fascinated by this whole Bollywood vs. Tollywood thing.

    My knowledge couldn't be anymore superficial, but it's interesting how the latter somehow seems to have exceeded the former. How and why exactly?

    On YouTube they call Bollywood "Bullywood" and say that it's stars hate the fans, and that they have insulted the gods and are degenerate in their mores. Tollywood is also supposed to have better FX and is supposed to be better at the pan-Indian film.

    But I am not sure to what extent this isn't just Indian regional factionalism.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    B0llywood is just Mughal culture but Mughals post Nadir Shah, Afghans & Sikhs LOL.
    Basically, Biden’s America instead of Ronald Raygun.
    It’s also called Brothelwood & uses a lot of Urdu songs (language of prostitutes).

    Bollywood was previously Lollywood for Lahore, Punjab.
    Lahore is closer to Almaty than Bombay tho LOL so pretty dif culture.
    In Bombay there’s no rowdy locals who burn theaters for degeneracy.

    Prior to the 1947 partition of India into the Republic of India and Pakistan, the Lahore film industry was initially part of the British Raj-era cinema of India. The Bombay cinema industry (now known as Hindi cinema or “Bollywood” in modern India) was closely linked to the Lahore film industry, as both produced films in the Hindustani language, also known as Hindi-Urdu, the lingua franca of northern and central British India.[11] Many actors, filmmakers and musicians from the Lahore industry migrated to the Bombay industry during the 1940s, including actors K. L. Saigal, Prithviraj Kapoor, Dilip Kumar and Dev Anand as well as playback singers Mohammed Rafi, Noorjahan and Shamshad Begum

    Lot of regional cinema is outpacing Bollywood, however Bollywood’s main grab is importing foreign girls.
    Only a few places beat it in that & not gonna mention that here.

    Hint:

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Sher Singh


    The Bombay cinema industry (now known as Hindi cinema or “Bollywood” in modern India) was closely linked to the Lahore film industry
     
    Similar distance from Shanghai to HK, or maybe even a bit longer.
  277. @Derer
    @A123


    Ukraine would not be in this disastrous unwinnable situation if the European Imperialists (headquarters in Berlin), and their useful idiots, would not use Ukraine
     
    No. This is refuted by the Ami-Anglo Imperialists yoke on Germany which is evident by the destruction of the German infrastructure highly beneficial for their energy supplies and costing billions. The very pipeline (Russo-German) project signifies German's good relation with Russia - that made Ami-Anglo Imperialist going berserk. They are the one to use Ukraine and coerced European thru NATO for it.

    The J politburo impeached and constantly harassed Trump for going against their militaristic plans.

    Replies: @A123

    No. This is refuted by the madness of German internal politics (100% U.S. free). Scholz personally caved to their Green party in his Traffic Light coalition. The entirely not American decision to turn off nuclear power has absolutely nothing to do with the U.S.

    The problem with Germany is Germany!

    No amount of diversion and misattribution can shift blame and responsibility off the leaders of the European Empire (Merkel and then Scholz). Merkel is personally responsible for undermining the Minsk deal.

    The European Empire, led by Scholz/Macron, has a yoke on their puppet Not-The-President Biden. He is a lobotomite. Everyone grasps that ‘his’ team answers to foreign powers, not Main Street America. No one serious believes that policy for Kiev aggression is being made in DC.

    The European politburo can no longer obtain money for their militaristic plans from U.S. Congress. If the European Empire wants to continue the fight for exclusively European Elite goals, they will have to pay for it without soaking the American taxpayer.

    PEACE 😇

  278. @German_reader
    https://en.mehrnews.com/news/211639/Iraqi-PM-declares-3-days-of-mourning-after-US-aggression

    According to a statement by the government of Iraq on social media, the prime minister announced the state of mourning " across all state departments and institutions... in honor of the souls of the martyrs from our armed forces and the civilians who lost their lives due to the American bombing."

    Following the United States' broad aggression on areas in Iraq and Syria late Saturday, the Security and Defense Committee in the Iraqi parliament said that the US-led coalition forces present in the country are "destabilizing the situation," and called on the government to expedite the reaching of an agreement on their withdrawal.

    According to CENTCOM, US forces struck more than 85 targets in Iraq and Syria with numerous aircraft, including long-range bombers that were said to have taken off from the United States.
     
    I wonder what the kind of people who are posting comments even on UR along the lines of "Iraq war was totally worth it, at least Iraqis have a democracy now" make of this. But I suppose it doesn't even register with them.

    Replies: @songbird, @Mr. XYZ

    Wonder how he would feel, if Saddam had been a homo.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird

    Barack Hussein or Saddam Hussein?

    They both observed the rights & practices of IslamoGloboHomo.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

  279. @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    B0llywood is just Mughal culture but Mughals post Nadir Shah, Afghans & Sikhs LOL.
    Basically, Biden's America instead of Ronald Raygun.
    It's also called Brothelwood & uses a lot of Urdu songs (language of prostitutes).

    Bollywood was previously Lollywood for Lahore, Punjab.
    Lahore is closer to Almaty than Bombay tho LOL so pretty dif culture.
    In Bombay there's no rowdy locals who burn theaters for degeneracy.

    Prior to the 1947 partition of India into the Republic of India and Pakistan, the Lahore film industry was initially part of the British Raj-era cinema of India. The Bombay cinema industry (now known as Hindi cinema or "Bollywood" in modern India) was closely linked to the Lahore film industry, as both produced films in the Hindustani language, also known as Hindi-Urdu, the lingua franca of northern and central British India.[11] Many actors, filmmakers and musicians from the Lahore industry migrated to the Bombay industry during the 1940s, including actors K. L. Saigal, Prithviraj Kapoor, Dilip Kumar and Dev Anand as well as playback singers Mohammed Rafi, Noorjahan and Shamshad Begum

    Lot of regional cinema is outpacing Bollywood, however Bollywood's main grab is importing foreign girls.
    Only a few places beat it in that & not gonna mention that here.

    Hint:

    https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/777363024196796426/1185697450980282378/IMG_4098.png?ex=65d1274d&is=65beb24d&hm=c96dc4db9777aa8bb370aedc5b8174f4401dfbff6c3d557273e2c358e3b36849&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=462&height=678

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @songbird

    The Bombay cinema industry (now known as Hindi cinema or “Bollywood” in modern India) was closely linked to the Lahore film industry

    Similar distance from Shanghai to HK, or maybe even a bit longer.

  280. @German_reader
    https://en.mehrnews.com/news/211639/Iraqi-PM-declares-3-days-of-mourning-after-US-aggression

    According to a statement by the government of Iraq on social media, the prime minister announced the state of mourning " across all state departments and institutions... in honor of the souls of the martyrs from our armed forces and the civilians who lost their lives due to the American bombing."

    Following the United States' broad aggression on areas in Iraq and Syria late Saturday, the Security and Defense Committee in the Iraqi parliament said that the US-led coalition forces present in the country are "destabilizing the situation," and called on the government to expedite the reaching of an agreement on their withdrawal.

    According to CENTCOM, US forces struck more than 85 targets in Iraq and Syria with numerous aircraft, including long-range bombers that were said to have taken off from the United States.
     
    I wonder what the kind of people who are posting comments even on UR along the lines of "Iraq war was totally worth it, at least Iraqis have a democracy now" make of this. But I suppose it doesn't even register with them.

    Replies: @songbird, @Mr. XYZ

    If Iraq wants US troops out, I have no problem fulfilling their request. They are a sovereignty country, after all. It’s not like they’re building nukes or anything, thankfully.

  281. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    Your wife is of partial Balkan descent
     
    No, rather someone in the Balkans is of part Polish descent, as was discovered through 23andme. When we shared the story of how it must have happened the communication stopped, it was no longer exciting to have a cousin from Russia living in the USA. Which is odd - who cares, it occurred a long time ago... It's only an interesting story now, not a scandal.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Where did she herself think the Polish ancestry came from?

    And your own wife is part-Polish, correct?

  282. @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    I apologise for not taking better notes a couple of years back, but could you list the two best services
     
    23andme have a large database so you may find long-lost cousins and ruin family secrets.

    familytreedna is good for deep dives into paternal ancestry.

    A friend of mine does another one that compares your DNA to that of bones from historical grave sites around Europe (such as a market in 15th century Riga, or a Viking burial site, or some Romans). I think its mytrueancestry.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    FWIW, I haven’t used 23andme, but I was able to use Facebook to discover long-lost Jewish paternal relatives of mine. They’re descended from my paternal-line Jewish great-great-grandfather’s younger brother who moved to the US in the early 20th century. My paternal-line Jewish great-great-grandfather himself tragically got murdered in the Holocaust in 1942, though the son of his that I’m descended from managed to survive the Holocaust by fleeing from Vinnytsia to Volgograd in 1941 and then from Volgograd to Samara Oblast in 1942, where he and his wife spent the remainder of their life, dying at age 88 (he) and 91 (his wife) in 1985 (both of them).

  283. @songbird
    @German_reader

    Wonder how he would feel, if Saddam had been a homo.

    Replies: @A123

    Barack Hussein or Saddam Hussein?

    They both observed the rights & practices of IslamoGloboHomo.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    TBH, I never linked them together, seeing how the one was executed before the other took office.

    Replies: @A123

  284. @Yevardian
    @Gerard1234

    I know I've complained about the circular discussions here regarding the Ukraine war before, but I just wanted to say, at this point, this war has honestly been almost certainly the most sombre tragedy humanity has produced since WWII. Just such a disgusting waste. Two formerly united peoples mutually dragging each other down into the abyss, and even bringing down much of Europe with them.

    It does honestly look from my vantage point that Ukraine is approaching the point of being crushed, whilst the Ukrainian ethnicity itself is facing extinction in the medium from the economic effects of the war. When the Gaza war broke out around the time Ukraine's offensive was floundering, I was suprised myself by own level of disgust (despite not at all being a partisan of Ukraine's quixotic war) when here in the west the entire media focus shifted overnight. I noticed the Ukraine flags that had been hoisted on public buildings quiely being taken down everywhere around October/November last year. Poor Ukrainians really believed American support would be unconditional, when in reality as soon as the momentum had turned against them, and Russia sufficiently bled, they were simply abandoned overnight, realising they were cannon fodder all along.

    But at the same time this war has truly reveiled the bankruptcy of Russia's government, the fact that they're now looking to carve some kind of pyrrhic victory in some kind of frozen conflict resolution doesn't change the fact this war has been a total fiasco for Russia also. Even as a relative outside observer this entire saga has just been incredibly depressing... but imagine being Karlin, investing your entire identity and future career into remigrating to Russia as a "Russian Nationalist" (was never sure what degree of trolling was involved, the average Russian nationalist would beat him up as a чурка, just bizarre) and having a live mental breakdown becoming a tranny advocate. Whatever.

    Meanwhile Central Asia continues to phase out Russian, cultivating national identities that for the most part never even existed prior to Soviet patronage. The state of Armenia looks poised for extermination this century. Europe, the US and Oceania are having their populations replaced in large part by ethnicities that never would have left the middle ages if not for European contact. Cultural output of any lasting worth seems to be collapsing everywhere. Perhaps I'm just in a very poor state of mind recently for personal reasons unrelated to all of this, such is this schpiel more typical of German_Reader. But I'm really struggling to see any source of optimism for the short to medium future for the world as a whole.

    eh

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123, @Gerard1234, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @AnonfromTN, @Derer

    Two formerly united peoples mutually dragging each other down into the abyss, and even bringing down much of Europe with them.

    This war could have been avoided if not for the West’s vultures interference in former members of the Soviet Union trying to resolve their borders. The arrogant interference that included expansion of their warmongering NATO, dismissing elected president, and crossing nuclear power (Russian) red lines. By which Ukraine abdicated the power to foreign vultures.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Derer

    The events you're alluding to happened over a decade ago now. I'm not sure a Ukrainian war with Russia was ever completely avoidable given their post 1991 borders. Primakov was already hinting at redrawing Ukraine's borders using the threat of armed force in the late 90s. Short of either becoming a Russian client state, or having an extremely talented schemer like Lukashenko in power, Ukraine retaining Crimea against a recovered post-collapse Russia was always going to be impossible longterm.

    But Ukraine could have at least taken the historical example of Finland and negotiated some kind of respectable peace with Russia after they recovered Kherson. But it's just insanity to keep on fighting a war of attrition against a country with 5 times your population whilst becoming entirely dependent on fragile foreign support for essential materials.

    Replies: @AP

  285. As another RF oil refinery was set on flames in Volgograd yesterday, leaving the prediction below for future reference:

    On the eve of their war turning into a special operation, Zelensky defiantly awarded the Main Intelligence Directorate for the destroyed Black Sea Fleet missile boat. As I wrote, it is obvious that the format of high-tech high-precision strikes and sabotage against specific assets of the Russian Federation in the region and – increasingly – inside the “main territory of Russia” (not my wording – the Kremlin) is much more popular with the West and Kyiv itself.

    Hence the departure of Zaluzhny, who always complains about the “lack of everything,” and with every new public PR he now tries to prove to the audience that he understood that war must become technologically advanced. Budanov and the British company realized this much faster and therefore have concrete successes.

    The next stage we will see the worst thing for the Kremlin – a truly successful “special operation”, only from the other side of the front. I have virtually no doubt that the West and Kyiv will quite successfully demonstrate for themselves how any “SMO” should be conducted:

    – destruction of energy and trade infrastructure
    – high-precision strikes on the most important and resonant enemy targets to undermine morale
    – destruction of opinion leaders and politicians.

    In all this, as the last 2 years have shown, it was Budanov and the GUR who were the master, and not Zaluzhny and the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    On our part, I fully expect whining about “unfair and inappropriate” ways of waging war, calls for negotiations and asymmetrical responses in the form of meat assaults on isolated farms.

    Serves it right.

    https://t.me/intuition2036/12916

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death

    Budanov's terrorist antics will enrage the Russian public (and possibly generate retaliatory strikes), but they won't change the outcome of the war by one iota. Zalushny's call for 500 000 new recruits for a new offensive might not be terribly realistic, but at least it makes a certain sense from a military pov. But this talk about "special operations" (with its euphemisms like "destruction of opinion leaders and politicians") as a war-winning measure is laughable, really a sign of desperation and total loss of all connection to reality.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @sudden death

  286. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    As another RF oil refinery was set on flames in Volgograd yesterday, leaving the prediction below for future reference:

    On the eve of their war turning into a special operation, Zelensky defiantly awarded the Main Intelligence Directorate for the destroyed Black Sea Fleet missile boat. As I wrote, it is obvious that the format of high-tech high-precision strikes and sabotage against specific assets of the Russian Federation in the region and - increasingly - inside the “main territory of Russia” (not my wording - the Kremlin) is much more popular with the West and Kyiv itself.

    Hence the departure of Zaluzhny, who always complains about the “lack of everything,” and with every new public PR he now tries to prove to the audience that he understood that war must become technologically advanced. Budanov and the British company realized this much faster and therefore have concrete successes.

    The next stage we will see the worst thing for the Kremlin - a truly successful “special operation”, only from the other side of the front. I have virtually no doubt that the West and Kyiv will quite successfully demonstrate for themselves how any “SMO” should be conducted:

    - destruction of energy and trade infrastructure
    - high-precision strikes on the most important and resonant enemy targets to undermine morale
    - destruction of opinion leaders and politicians.

    In all this, as the last 2 years have shown, it was Budanov and the GUR who were the master, and not Zaluzhny and the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    On our part, I fully expect whining about “unfair and inappropriate” ways of waging war, calls for negotiations and asymmetrical responses in the form of meat assaults on isolated farms.

    Serves it right.
     

    https://t.me/intuition2036/12916

    Replies: @German_reader

    Budanov’s terrorist antics will enrage the Russian public (and possibly generate retaliatory strikes), but they won’t change the outcome of the war by one iota. Zalushny’s call for 500 000 new recruits for a new offensive might not be terribly realistic, but at least it makes a certain sense from a military pov. But this talk about “special operations” (with its euphemisms like “destruction of opinion leaders and politicians”) as a war-winning measure is laughable, really a sign of desperation and total loss of all connection to reality.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Question: Would it be cheaper to continue the war or to stop it right now Korea-style and simply resettle the people in the Crimean Corridor who are opposed to Russian rule in other parts of Ukraine, such as in the Odesa area? Other than Melitopol, is there much of value in the Crimean Corridor, besides its lithium deposits? I suppose that the lithium is worth a lot, but even with much more Western aid, will Ukraine actually succeed in reconquering it?

    The Ukrainians who will be compelled to move could be compensated for their lost property in the Crimean Corridor.

    FWIW, I'm not saying that I unequivocally want to stop the war right now (though I probably would in exchange for immediate Ukrainian NATO membership). I'm just trying to figure out whether it's worth it to keep going. If one wants a historical analogy here, it would be similar to anti-Nazis in the German military and German intelligence services offering the Anglo-French a deal in a scenario where France holds out in 1940 where they will agree to do an anti-Nazi coup attempt in Germany as soon as possible and if they will succeed, the Anglo-French will agree to hold plebiscites in Danzig and the Polish Corridor (minus Gdynia, which will remain/once again become Polish for sure), limited to 1918 residents only. In such a scenario, I'd have argued that it would be in Anglo-French interests to take the deal rather than to bleed themselves dry in a fight all of the way to Berlin, especially if this hypothetical deal will also include the subsequent banning of the Nazi Party in Germany and the restoration of democracy in post-war Germany.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @sudden death
    @German_reader

    Half million new soldiers will never be bad in order to do more dense territorial defense, but they wouldn’t be able to cripple RF petroleum industry;)

    https://i.postimg.cc/j2RW99Hg/RF-refineries.jpg


    Today, many media outlets and telegram channels have published a map from Expert for 2013 with the location of the largest oil refining enterprises in Russia. The reason is clear - the intentions of the Ukrainian command to “knock out” the Russian processing industry are becoming more and more obvious. Taking into account the fact that Ukraine intends to increase the production of drones to a million units per year, it may well be able to allocate several thousand assembled and equipped for remote attacks on Russia’s processing infrastructure.

    However, you need to look not only at quantitative data on the productivity of these enterprises, but also at the range of products they produce. And the already attacked refineries in Yaroslavl and Volgograd are of primary interest in this sense, since they produce the bulk of Russian motor and industrial oils. Fuel - of course, but in addition to fuel, industry and transport consume quite a large amount of a wide variety of oils and lubricants, without which the operation of machines and mechanisms is impossible

    It is logical that Ukraine analyzed the most important enterprises from the point of view of maximizing damage and focused its attention on these plants. By the way, there is a third enterprise in this series - Kirishinefteorgsintez, which provides a similar range of products for consumers in the North-West, which includes, by the way, the two largest fleets of Russia - the Baltic and Northern. Therefore, we should expect attempts to strike at this enterprise as well. In any case, the logic of Kyiv’s actions here is quite obvious. oils and lubricants, without which the operation of machines and mechanisms is impossible.
     

    https://t.me/anatoly_nesmiyan/16136

    Replies: @German_reader

  287. @A123
    @songbird

    Barack Hussein or Saddam Hussein?

    They both observed the rights & practices of IslamoGloboHomo.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    TBH, I never linked them together, seeing how the one was executed before the other took office.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird

    A Hussein is a Hussein is a Hussein. HBD. Breeding. Etc...

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

  288. @songbird
    @A123

    TBH, I never linked them together, seeing how the one was executed before the other took office.

    Replies: @A123

    A Hussein is a Hussein is a Hussein. HBD. Breeding. Etc…

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    Technically, Obama's father was born a Catholic, while Obama's paternal grandfather was born in the local tribal religion.(i.e. some kind of animism or ancestor worship)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

  289. @A123
    @songbird

    A Hussein is a Hussein is a Hussein. HBD. Breeding. Etc...

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    Technically, Obama’s father was born a Catholic, while Obama’s paternal grandfather was born in the local tribal religion.(i.e. some kind of animism or ancestor worship)

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Since nobody is talking let's assume the worst. His grandpa was a cannibal. If McCain hadn't been stupid he would have said that out loud. It would have been hilarious.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @songbird

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @songbird

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_Sr.#:~:text=was%20about%20six%20years%20old,that%20religion%20was%20mere%20superstition.


    When Obama (Sr.) was about six years old and attending a Christian missionary school, he converted from Islam to Anglicanism when strongly encouraged by the staff. He changed his name from "Baraka" to "Barack".[1] Obama (Sr.) later became an atheist, believing that religion was mere superstition.[21]
     
    So, during Obama's Presidency, al-Qaeda and ISIS could have argued that Obama is an apostate, since isn't Islam patrilineal?

    Replies: @songbird

  290. @songbird
    @A123

    Technically, Obama's father was born a Catholic, while Obama's paternal grandfather was born in the local tribal religion.(i.e. some kind of animism or ancestor worship)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    Since nobody is talking let’s assume the worst. His grandpa was a cannibal. If McCain hadn’t been stupid he would have said that out loud. It would have been hilarious.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Then Obama could have responded by saying that McCain should have paid more attention in his military training so that he wouldn't graduate in the bottom 1% of his class (894th out of a grand total of 899 students) and thus reduce the risk of him getting shot down and taken prisoner by the North Vietnamese later on. But Obama, unlike Trump, was probably too much of a pussy to actually make arguments along these lines.

    , @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Since nobody is talking let’s assume the worst. His grandpa was a cannibal.

     

    Fair, maybe, even high probability.

    If McCain hadn’t been stupid he would have said that out loud
     
    Would have been really funny, if McCain had said, "He drank semen mixed with the blood, like a gay Dracula."

    https://owaahh.com/a-society-that-eats-its-own-tracing-cannibalism-in-kenyas-history/
  291. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    Budanov's terrorist antics will enrage the Russian public (and possibly generate retaliatory strikes), but they won't change the outcome of the war by one iota. Zalushny's call for 500 000 new recruits for a new offensive might not be terribly realistic, but at least it makes a certain sense from a military pov. But this talk about "special operations" (with its euphemisms like "destruction of opinion leaders and politicians") as a war-winning measure is laughable, really a sign of desperation and total loss of all connection to reality.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @sudden death

    Question: Would it be cheaper to continue the war or to stop it right now Korea-style and simply resettle the people in the Crimean Corridor who are opposed to Russian rule in other parts of Ukraine, such as in the Odesa area? Other than Melitopol, is there much of value in the Crimean Corridor, besides its lithium deposits? I suppose that the lithium is worth a lot, but even with much more Western aid, will Ukraine actually succeed in reconquering it?

    The Ukrainians who will be compelled to move could be compensated for their lost property in the Crimean Corridor.

    FWIW, I’m not saying that I unequivocally want to stop the war right now (though I probably would in exchange for immediate Ukrainian NATO membership). I’m just trying to figure out whether it’s worth it to keep going. If one wants a historical analogy here, it would be similar to anti-Nazis in the German military and German intelligence services offering the Anglo-French a deal in a scenario where France holds out in 1940 where they will agree to do an anti-Nazi coup attempt in Germany as soon as possible and if they will succeed, the Anglo-French will agree to hold plebiscites in Danzig and the Polish Corridor (minus Gdynia, which will remain/once again become Polish for sure), limited to 1918 residents only. In such a scenario, I’d have argued that it would be in Anglo-French interests to take the deal rather than to bleed themselves dry in a fight all of the way to Berlin, especially if this hypothetical deal will also include the subsequent banning of the Nazi Party in Germany and the restoration of democracy in post-war Germany.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mr. XYZ

    Don't rush things.
    If these people move to Odessa now, they will just have to move again next year :)

  292. @songbird
    @A123

    Technically, Obama's father was born a Catholic, while Obama's paternal grandfather was born in the local tribal religion.(i.e. some kind of animism or ancestor worship)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. XYZ

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_Sr.#:~:text=was%20about%20six%20years%20old,that%20religion%20was%20mere%20superstition.

    When Obama (Sr.) was about six years old and attending a Christian missionary school, he converted from Islam to Anglicanism when strongly encouraged by the staff. He changed his name from “Baraka” to “Barack”.[1] Obama (Sr.) later became an atheist, believing that religion was mere superstition.[21]

    So, during Obama’s Presidency, al-Qaeda and ISIS could have argued that Obama is an apostate, since isn’t Islam patrilineal?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. XYZ

    Didn't Sailer once say that he thinks Barack's father must had a lot of Middle Eastern DNA? If true, it's interesting how Islam seems to have never really gained much ground in that area, deeper in the interior.

  293. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Since nobody is talking let's assume the worst. His grandpa was a cannibal. If McCain hadn't been stupid he would have said that out loud. It would have been hilarious.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @songbird

    Then Obama could have responded by saying that McCain should have paid more attention in his military training so that he wouldn’t graduate in the bottom 1% of his class (894th out of a grand total of 899 students) and thus reduce the risk of him getting shot down and taken prisoner by the North Vietnamese later on. But Obama, unlike Trump, was probably too much of a pussy to actually make arguments along these lines.

  294. Sher Singh says:
    @songbird
    Have any of the crypto-Indians here seen Baahubali (2015)?

    Probably shouldn't have been multitasking when I watched it, but it made me a bit confused:

    Why was the army of the bad guys in blackface? Was it supposed to be warpaint (and on the arms), or were they supposed to be Dravidians?

    Anyway, it is cool they can be that politically incorrect, whatever the case.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Baahubali is one of the names of Lord Shiva.

    So yes it’s a literal movie about TND.

    https://www.jatland.com/home/Origin_of_Jats_from_Shiva%27s_Locks#Daksha.27s_sacrifice_by_Virabhadra

    “Like we boil milk for a long time, boil it all day, and then let it settle to curdle. Even when it curdles, we do not let it be. We now churn it. Then what happens? The butter floats to the top and pure butter milk is left behind. In this way, from all the creeds that make up Hinduism, the Khalsa, like the butter that is churned out [of milk], has been extracted and revealed by the great king [Guru Gobind Singh]. That truth which is ‘Sanatan’, from the time the earth and skies were created and mankind came into being, it has been made manifest.”

    https://www.shastarvidiya.org/articles/misunderstandings.html

    One of my friends from the Karlin server randomly said he started wearing a Pagg & keeping his Kesh (hair on head).

    Asked why?

    He said “Reminds me to walk with Sovereign Posture” (like a King)

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • LOL: songbird
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Sher Singh

    The exuberance of the king's dance is wonderful. It reminds me of a time when I needed to reestablish my focus by bathing underneath a rainforest waterfall, hidden far from civilization.


    https://www.strunzandfarah.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/9-Wild-Muse-3.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

  295. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    Budanov's terrorist antics will enrage the Russian public (and possibly generate retaliatory strikes), but they won't change the outcome of the war by one iota. Zalushny's call for 500 000 new recruits for a new offensive might not be terribly realistic, but at least it makes a certain sense from a military pov. But this talk about "special operations" (with its euphemisms like "destruction of opinion leaders and politicians") as a war-winning measure is laughable, really a sign of desperation and total loss of all connection to reality.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @sudden death

    Half million new soldiers will never be bad in order to do more dense territorial defense, but they wouldn’t be able to cripple RF petroleum industry;)

    Today, many media outlets and telegram channels have published a map from Expert for 2013 with the location of the largest oil refining enterprises in Russia. The reason is clear – the intentions of the Ukrainian command to “knock out” the Russian processing industry are becoming more and more obvious. Taking into account the fact that Ukraine intends to increase the production of drones to a million units per year, it may well be able to allocate several thousand assembled and equipped for remote attacks on Russia’s processing infrastructure.

    However, you need to look not only at quantitative data on the productivity of these enterprises, but also at the range of products they produce. And the already attacked refineries in Yaroslavl and Volgograd are of primary interest in this sense, since they produce the bulk of Russian motor and industrial oils. Fuel – of course, but in addition to fuel, industry and transport consume quite a large amount of a wide variety of oils and lubricants, without which the operation of machines and mechanisms is impossible

    It is logical that Ukraine analyzed the most important enterprises from the point of view of maximizing damage and focused its attention on these plants. By the way, there is a third enterprise in this series – Kirishinefteorgsintez, which provides a similar range of products for consumers in the North-West, which includes, by the way, the two largest fleets of Russia – the Baltic and Northern. Therefore, we should expect attempts to strike at this enterprise as well. In any case, the logic of Kyiv’s actions here is quite obvious. oils and lubricants, without which the operation of machines and mechanisms is impossible.

    https://t.me/anatoly_nesmiyan/16136

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death

    That's getting seriously delusional. Ukraine's much-hyped offensive last summer didn't even manage to penetrate to the main fortifications. And now you want to tell us that "special operations" will manage to destroy Russia's oil industry? Something like this has never happened before (and no, Ukraine's drones aren't the equivalent of the 8th air force or whatever else you're imagining them to be). Pure magical thinking.

    Replies: @sudden death

  296. @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    You should go easy on AP, somebody that you clearly respect. Can you imagine the honesty that he’s revealed here and the trepidation that he had to overcome in order to admit that his children may have a small strain of Balkan DNA
     
    If someone's great-grandfather was naughty abroad such as on an extended visit to the Balkans, this doesn't translate into his legitimate children being part Balkan. Rather, it means that someone in the Balkans is descended from him.



    My wife is 1/8 Kalmyk, but not of Balkan descent.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Forgive me AP. I dared to imagine that your wife might have been of the “naughty”side of the lineage. Obviously, I don’t understand how exactly these DNA research companies present their findings. I’m quite sure that I would appreciate your wife no matter who her great, great, great grandparents were, or yours for that matter.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    23andme can find various relatives - it can tell you that so-and-so is likely your 3rd-4th cousin (it can't be totally specific). My wife found an unexpected cousin in a Balkan country where her great-grandfather, a notorious troublemaker, happened to have visited prior to World War I.

    The new-found cousin was excited to find a connection, but when the nature of this connection was explained, all contact ceased. Which, as I've said, seems silly - no need to be ashamed of something that occurred so long ago and so many generations ago. Other people are less ashamed of worse things. The Australian-born father of a former colleague, amusingly discovered that he was descended from a pickpocket and from a prostitute in 19th century London who had gotten deported down under (this was from archival research, not 23andme).

  297. @Sean
    @John Johnson


    Jews and non-Jews are both divided on Israel
     
    Neocons are not.

    Bernie Sanders is Jewish and yet is more supportive of restrictions against Israel than Biden.
     
    Sanders is not a neocon.

    I want to see names, quotes and what exactly makes someone a Neocon
     
    You have just given the criterion; relatively unqualified support for Israel

    So no I don’t take any assumptions on Neocons as fact.

     

    I think the direction of US policy was changed by the neocons and as long as
    mainstream politicos are for Israel right or wrong, or put it another way they do not dare meaningfully pressurize it, the neocon movement is alive and well. Not dead like you said.

    Big Jewish Conspiracy does not exist if they don’t have every Jew in DC on board but they do have these small town Rapture Ready MAGA cult members.
     
    That's all very interesting, but I would say devotion to Israel is the signature policy of neocons. One might mention the US ignoring the large number of deaths in Gaza and the sacking of Claudine Gay; these are the kind of pro Israel successes that are the raison d'etre of the neocon movement.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Jews and non-Jews are both divided on Israel

    Neocons are not.

    There doesn’t seem to a consistent definition of Neocon here.

    Would you like to define it for us? Along with some names?

    I think the direction of US policy was changed by the neocons and as long as
    mainstream politicos are for Israel right or wrong, or put it another way they do not dare meaningfully pressurize it, the neocon movement is alive and well. Not dead like you said.

    The political textbook definition of a Neocon describes a movement in the past. A political ideology led by philosopher Leo Strauss that peaked during the GWB administration and has since declined. Its leading members are no longer involved in politics.

    So please explain this Neocon movement if the textbooks are wrong.

    If you look at actual voting records the most pro-Israel contingent of congress is Evangelical Christian. Their most prominent members overlap with MAGA. You don’t deny this, correct?

    Why is there so much focus on the nebulous “neocon” when Evangelical MAGA House members are the most pro-Israel? The term doesn’t accurately describe Israel’s top US supporters in congress.

    The pro-Israel Republicans are in fact splitting out Israel aid because it is a higher priority for them than Ukraine or the border:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-plans-vote-on-standalone-israel-aid-bill-next-week-johnson-says/ar-BB1hJ5aI

    As a reminder there was no request from Israel for this package. This is something the MAGA house Republicans are passing on their own. The secular Jews in congress are more supportive of Ukraine than this house bill.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @John Johnson


    There doesn't seem to a consistent definition of Neocon here.
     
    Initially neocons were those who abjured their affiliation with the Dems when their Multiculturalism began to include anti Israel 'Zionism is Racism' rhetoric; as the origin was among those quite happy with political correctness until it turned its beady eye on Israel it seems logical to attribute ethnic allegiance to the original neocons. The public humiliation and sacking of the president of the' world capital of Political Correctness' ( Harvard University) shows how successful neoconservatism is in keeping multiculturalism within bounds acceptable to Israel, even in the shadow of the BLM rush to appoint minorities to powerful posts.

    In a nutshell: neoconservatism consists of those Americans active in ideological politics who are devoted to Israel right or wrong and who influence political opportunists to favour Israel (including by attacking and destablising Arab states not under US control). The ostensible rationale for US support for Israel was to use it as a guard against radical nationalism among Arab countries, but neoconservatism made unstinting support for Israel a matter of career rather than strategic considerations


    Why is there so much focus on the nebulous “neocon” when Evangelical MAGA House members are the most pro-Israel
     
    Most opportunistic you mean; they read the runes of their prospects if they fail to be pro Israel. Who can doubt that Trump is as opportunistic in politics as he was in business, although there is good evidence that because of the Embassy hostage crisis he sincerely hates Iran and all its works.

    The pro-Israel Republicans are in fact splitting out Israel aid because it is a higher priority for them than Ukraine or the border
     
    The US has built up immense arms dumps in Israel, which Israel can access in a pinch; it is routinely invited to collaborate in the development of advanced US secret military's technology Although the aforementioned arms dumps were quietly used by America to supply Ukraine, the White House would never permit Israel to be defeated or even demoralised by lack of overt support. I do not think Washington wants Russia to be clearly defeated now because it would cause a massive amount of instability in international relations, with a possible Russian affiliation with China that would be the ultimate American foreign policy nightmare. Russia resorting to using a few of its massive arsenal of its intended-to-be-a-deterrent to China battlefield nukes would be just as bad as it would put Russia beyond the pale. A weakly pyrrhic or very limited victory for Russia that the Kremlin can crow about yet leaving Ukraine a smaller but still substantial state looking to the West is the desired outcome for American strategists, because they are always thinking about how increasingly handy Russia would be as a counterweight to China a few decades down the road.
  298. • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Well it's about time a tech billionaire invested in something worthwhile.

    Much better than space trips for other billionaires or mega yachts that they don't even use.

    Some pretty funny video from the front:


    CAN I GET A RIDE???

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6FJ1Qc4iRc

    NAH

    Replies: @Sean

  299. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yevardian


    almost certainly the most sombre tragedy humanity has produced since WWII
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366

    We could easily make a very long list. : (

    Replies: @German_reader, @Yevardian

    Actually, I’d considered the Iranian Revolution (without which the Iran-Iraq War would never had happened) as a probable second to the Ukraine-Russia War as far as post WWII longterm negative developments go.
    But the ruination of Iran’s economic and cultural development aside, the country has managed for decades now to hold surprisingly well together despite its pariah status. Demographically what Iranians call “The Imposed War” had miniscule long-term impact compared to the more recent steep collapse in the birthrate there.

    The Western sanctions put on Iraq after Saddam invaded Kuwait in response to a decade of wartime extortion loans and general economic blackmail (Kuwait was the foremost cheerleader in convincing Saddam to invade Iran in the first place) also had a worse longterm effect on Iraq than the war itself, to say nothing of the subsequent American dismantling of the entirety of the entire Iraqi bureaucracy and political class after Saddam was overthrown.

    Don’t think the Vietnam War had particularly profound effects, aside from the environmental devastation and the first cracking open of the floodgates of Asian migration to Australia. And Vietnam is doing quite well now despite its Communist government and having the world’s ugliest language.

    Indonesian mass killings of 1965 were pretty bad, most of the killings weren’t related to the Communists at all. But that country is always going to be a poor dump dominated by a few talented foreigners that periodically experience Islamic/nativist pogroms. And who knows what kind of mass famines or ethnic bloodbaths a Communist takeover of Indonesia could have led to.

    Tragedies aren’t just blithely measured by deathtoll, it depends who, were, the long term consequences and many other things. There were two enormous wars in the Congo involving coalitions of a dozen countries several million deaths, but it’s subsaharan Africans so nobody outside of the direct participants care a damn about it, or have any reason to really.

    Actually, the collapse of the Soviet Union itself might trump all of them, although it had some positive effects for central Europe. Aside from the Baltic states most of the old Warsaw pact countries are managing alright, even Romania despite having some of the worst governments ever.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Yevardian

    And yes before AP jumps in, I know Romania left the Warsaw Pact and denounced it

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @AP

  300. @Yevardian
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Actually, I'd considered the Iranian Revolution (without which the Iran-Iraq War would never had happened) as a probable second to the Ukraine-Russia War as far as post WWII longterm negative developments go.
    But the ruination of Iran's economic and cultural development aside, the country has managed for decades now to hold surprisingly well together despite its pariah status. Demographically what Iranians call "The Imposed War" had miniscule long-term impact compared to the more recent steep collapse in the birthrate there.

    The Western sanctions put on Iraq after Saddam invaded Kuwait in response to a decade of wartime extortion loans and general economic blackmail (Kuwait was the foremost cheerleader in convincing Saddam to invade Iran in the first place) also had a worse longterm effect on Iraq than the war itself, to say nothing of the subsequent American dismantling of the entirety of the entire Iraqi bureaucracy and political class after Saddam was overthrown.

    Don't think the Vietnam War had particularly profound effects, aside from the environmental devastation and the first cracking open of the floodgates of Asian migration to Australia. And Vietnam is doing quite well now despite its Communist government and having the world's ugliest language.

    Indonesian mass killings of 1965 were pretty bad, most of the killings weren't related to the Communists at all. But that country is always going to be a poor dump dominated by a few talented foreigners that periodically experience Islamic/nativist pogroms. And who knows what kind of mass famines or ethnic bloodbaths a Communist takeover of Indonesia could have led to.

    Tragedies aren't just blithely measured by deathtoll, it depends who, were, the long term consequences and many other things. There were two enormous wars in the Congo involving coalitions of a dozen countries several million deaths, but it's subsaharan Africans so nobody outside of the direct participants care a damn about it, or have any reason to really.

    Actually, the collapse of the Soviet Union itself might trump all of them, although it had some positive effects for central Europe. Aside from the Baltic states most of the old Warsaw pact countries are managing alright, even Romania despite having some of the worst governments ever.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    And yes before AP jumps in, I know Romania left the Warsaw Pact and denounced it

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Yevardian


    And yes before AP jumps in, I know Romania left the Warsaw Pact and denounced it
     
    I am not sure where that level of trust in this deranged retard comes from? This AP bimbo
    is the same wakjob who multiple times proven he has zero idea who the Nazi's invaded the USSR with !- something that its inexcusable an autistic retard as that claiming to know the events of the 12th century would not know

    Just to emphasise, every Ukrainian , ACTUAL ukrop diaspora should have some connection with Odessa via friend or family..........and everyone should know without even thinking that Romanian military police controlled Odessa and parts of Nikolaev for 3 years during GPW - doing some of the most evil things in history. Its not exactly an abstract piece of information.

    That this AP has in all the time here not even known that - makes the assumption he would know about Romania leaving the Warsaw Pact unlikely- this dumb shit even gives the usual Dumb Americans a good reputation in comparative stupidity.
    , @AP
    @Yevardian

    Romania denounced certain Soviet actions and did not allow Soviet troops on its soil, but did it formally leave the Warsaw Pact?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  301. @Derer
    @Yevardian


    Two formerly united peoples mutually dragging each other down into the abyss, and even bringing down much of Europe with them.
     
    This war could have been avoided if not for the West's vultures interference in former members of the Soviet Union trying to resolve their borders. The arrogant interference that included expansion of their warmongering NATO, dismissing elected president, and crossing nuclear power (Russian) red lines. By which Ukraine abdicated the power to foreign vultures.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    The events you’re alluding to happened over a decade ago now. I’m not sure a Ukrainian war with Russia was ever completely avoidable given their post 1991 borders. Primakov was already hinting at redrawing Ukraine’s borders using the threat of armed force in the late 90s. Short of either becoming a Russian client state, or having an extremely talented schemer like Lukashenko in power, Ukraine retaining Crimea against a recovered post-collapse Russia was always going to be impossible longterm.

    But Ukraine could have at least taken the historical example of Finland and negotiated some kind of respectable peace with Russia after they recovered Kherson. But it’s just insanity to keep on fighting a war of attrition against a country with 5 times your population whilst becoming entirely dependent on fragile foreign support for essential materials.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Yevardian


    But Ukraine could have at least taken the historical example of Finland and negotiated some kind of respectable peace with Russia after they recovered Kherson
     
    Why do you think Russian leaders were interested in something like that? They view Ukraine as a place that should be a part of Russia, they are less willing to let go of Ukraine than they did Finland (Gerard repeats the cultural tropes about one people, Beckow repeats the stuff about Ukraine unlike Finland being too close to the Russian heartland). Their conditions amounted and still amount to making Ukraine helpless in the face of a future invasion (neutrality, and capping the number of troops and types of weapons Ukraine could have). This would either force Ukraine to acquiesce to future Russian demands or if Ukrainians would be stubborn, would make another invasion much easier.

    This is just the contemporary phase of a conflict that has lasted for centuries: Ukrainians trying to undo Khmelnytsky’s treason and tragic turn towards Muscovy and join their Western brothers, Russia trying to gather by force all the Eastern Slavic lands under Moscow’s rule.

    Sadly, Russia would have to bleed much more before it’s leaders would engage in meaningful or good faith negotiations.

    Replies: @sudden death, @A123

  302. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @German_reader

    Half million new soldiers will never be bad in order to do more dense territorial defense, but they wouldn’t be able to cripple RF petroleum industry;)

    https://i.postimg.cc/j2RW99Hg/RF-refineries.jpg


    Today, many media outlets and telegram channels have published a map from Expert for 2013 with the location of the largest oil refining enterprises in Russia. The reason is clear - the intentions of the Ukrainian command to “knock out” the Russian processing industry are becoming more and more obvious. Taking into account the fact that Ukraine intends to increase the production of drones to a million units per year, it may well be able to allocate several thousand assembled and equipped for remote attacks on Russia’s processing infrastructure.

    However, you need to look not only at quantitative data on the productivity of these enterprises, but also at the range of products they produce. And the already attacked refineries in Yaroslavl and Volgograd are of primary interest in this sense, since they produce the bulk of Russian motor and industrial oils. Fuel - of course, but in addition to fuel, industry and transport consume quite a large amount of a wide variety of oils and lubricants, without which the operation of machines and mechanisms is impossible

    It is logical that Ukraine analyzed the most important enterprises from the point of view of maximizing damage and focused its attention on these plants. By the way, there is a third enterprise in this series - Kirishinefteorgsintez, which provides a similar range of products for consumers in the North-West, which includes, by the way, the two largest fleets of Russia - the Baltic and Northern. Therefore, we should expect attempts to strike at this enterprise as well. In any case, the logic of Kyiv’s actions here is quite obvious. oils and lubricants, without which the operation of machines and mechanisms is impossible.
     

    https://t.me/anatoly_nesmiyan/16136

    Replies: @German_reader

    That’s getting seriously delusional. Ukraine’s much-hyped offensive last summer didn’t even manage to penetrate to the main fortifications. And now you want to tell us that “special operations” will manage to destroy Russia’s oil industry? Something like this has never happened before (and no, Ukraine’s drones aren’t the equivalent of the 8th air force or whatever else you’re imagining them to be). Pure magical thinking.

    • Agree: Yevardian
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader

    The goal isn't total wiping from the earth of RF petrouleum industrial facilities - notably reducing the RF state revenue and supply is sufficient enough, just those several demonstrative UA airstrikes last month had noticeable economic effect:


    Russia lost a third of gasoline exports after Ukraine struck major refineries

    Ukrainian drone strikes, which attacked at least six Russian oil and gas infrastructure facilities in January, have hit major oil companies' exports.

    Based on the results of the first month of 2024, Russian oil workers reduced the export of gasoline abroad by 37%, the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation reported. Sales of diesel fuel, the largest export of petroleum products, collapsed by 23%. The decline in exports was the result of “unscheduled repairs” at oil refineries and the need to supply the domestic market, the department explained. The Ministry of Energy assures that there are no and will not be problems with the supply of the domestic market: gasoline shipments in January increased by 7%, and diesel fuel by 17%. In addition, reserves have been formed: for motor gasoline - 1.9 million tons, for diesel fuel - 3.9 million tons, the department emphasizes.

    If the attacks continue at their current intensity, “the inconvenience could become a problem,” said Sergei Vakulenko, a visiting fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. He noted that refineries “are important to the economy and to warfare—cars and trucks, tractors and combines, tanks and ships, civilian and military aircraft must be fueled with gasoline, diesel fuel and kerosene, not crude oil.”

    https://t.me/moscowtimes_ru/18955
     

    imho, in practice more likely it will be a mix of all available UA countermeasures - maybe roughly 200k mobilization for territorial defensive goals, while continuing longer range strikes both in air&sea during 2024.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @QCIC, @Sean, @LatW

  303. @John Johnson
    @Sean


    Jews and non-Jews are both divided on Israel
     
    Neocons are not.

    There doesn't seem to a consistent definition of Neocon here.

    Would you like to define it for us? Along with some names?

    I think the direction of US policy was changed by the neocons and as long as
    mainstream politicos are for Israel right or wrong, or put it another way they do not dare meaningfully pressurize it, the neocon movement is alive and well. Not dead like you said.

    The political textbook definition of a Neocon describes a movement in the past. A political ideology led by philosopher Leo Strauss that peaked during the GWB administration and has since declined. Its leading members are no longer involved in politics.

    So please explain this Neocon movement if the textbooks are wrong.

    If you look at actual voting records the most pro-Israel contingent of congress is Evangelical Christian. Their most prominent members overlap with MAGA. You don't deny this, correct?

    Why is there so much focus on the nebulous "neocon" when Evangelical MAGA House members are the most pro-Israel? The term doesn't accurately describe Israel's top US supporters in congress.

    The pro-Israel Republicans are in fact splitting out Israel aid because it is a higher priority for them than Ukraine or the border:
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-plans-vote-on-standalone-israel-aid-bill-next-week-johnson-says/ar-BB1hJ5aI

    As a reminder there was no request from Israel for this package. This is something the MAGA house Republicans are passing on their own. The secular Jews in congress are more supportive of Ukraine than this house bill.

    Replies: @Sean

    There doesn’t seem to a consistent definition of Neocon here.

    Initially neocons were those who abjured their affiliation with the Dems when their Multiculturalism began to include anti Israel ‘Zionism is Racism’ rhetoric; as the origin was among those quite happy with political correctness until it turned its beady eye on Israel it seems logical to attribute ethnic allegiance to the original neocons. The public humiliation and sacking of the president of the’ world capital of Political Correctness’ ( Harvard University) shows how successful neoconservatism is in keeping multiculturalism within bounds acceptable to Israel, even in the shadow of the BLM rush to appoint minorities to powerful posts.

    In a nutshell: neoconservatism consists of those Americans active in ideological politics who are devoted to Israel right or wrong and who influence political opportunists to favour Israel (including by attacking and destablising Arab states not under US control). The ostensible rationale for US support for Israel was to use it as a guard against radical nationalism among Arab countries, but neoconservatism made unstinting support for Israel a matter of career rather than strategic considerations

    Why is there so much focus on the nebulous “neocon” when Evangelical MAGA House members are the most pro-Israel

    Most opportunistic you mean; they read the runes of their prospects if they fail to be pro Israel. Who can doubt that Trump is as opportunistic in politics as he was in business, although there is good evidence that because of the Embassy hostage crisis he sincerely hates Iran and all its works.

    The pro-Israel Republicans are in fact splitting out Israel aid because it is a higher priority for them than Ukraine or the border

    The US has built up immense arms dumps in Israel, which Israel can access in a pinch; it is routinely invited to collaborate in the development of advanced US secret military’s technology Although the aforementioned arms dumps were quietly used by America to supply Ukraine, the White House would never permit Israel to be defeated or even demoralised by lack of overt support. I do not think Washington wants Russia to be clearly defeated now because it would cause a massive amount of instability in international relations, with a possible Russian affiliation with China that would be the ultimate American foreign policy nightmare. Russia resorting to using a few of its massive arsenal of its intended-to-be-a-deterrent to China battlefield nukes would be just as bad as it would put Russia beyond the pale. A weakly pyrrhic or very limited victory for Russia that the Kremlin can crow about yet leaving Ukraine a smaller but still substantial state looking to the West is the desired outcome for American strategists, because they are always thinking about how increasingly handy Russia would be as a counterweight to China a few decades down the road.

  304. @German_reader
    @sudden death

    That's getting seriously delusional. Ukraine's much-hyped offensive last summer didn't even manage to penetrate to the main fortifications. And now you want to tell us that "special operations" will manage to destroy Russia's oil industry? Something like this has never happened before (and no, Ukraine's drones aren't the equivalent of the 8th air force or whatever else you're imagining them to be). Pure magical thinking.

    Replies: @sudden death

    The goal isn’t total wiping from the earth of RF petrouleum industrial facilities – notably reducing the RF state revenue and supply is sufficient enough, just those several demonstrative UA airstrikes last month had noticeable economic effect:

    Russia lost a third of gasoline exports after Ukraine struck major refineries

    Ukrainian drone strikes, which attacked at least six Russian oil and gas infrastructure facilities in January, have hit major oil companies’ exports.

    Based on the results of the first month of 2024, Russian oil workers reduced the export of gasoline abroad by 37%, the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation reported. Sales of diesel fuel, the largest export of petroleum products, collapsed by 23%. The decline in exports was the result of “unscheduled repairs” at oil refineries and the need to supply the domestic market, the department explained. The Ministry of Energy assures that there are no and will not be problems with the supply of the domestic market: gasoline shipments in January increased by 7%, and diesel fuel by 17%. In addition, reserves have been formed: for motor gasoline – 1.9 million tons, for diesel fuel – 3.9 million tons, the department emphasizes.

    If the attacks continue at their current intensity, “the inconvenience could become a problem,” said Sergei Vakulenko, a visiting fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. He noted that refineries “are important to the economy and to warfare—cars and trucks, tractors and combines, tanks and ships, civilian and military aircraft must be fueled with gasoline, diesel fuel and kerosene, not crude oil.”

    https://t.me/moscowtimes_ru/18955

    imho, in practice more likely it will be a mix of all available UA countermeasures – maybe roughly 200k mobilization for territorial defensive goals, while continuing longer range strikes both in air&sea during 2024.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @sudden death


    Based on the results of the first month of 2024, Russian oil workers reduced the export of gasoline abroad by 37%, the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation reported. Sales of diesel fuel, the largest export of petroleum products, collapsed by 23%.
     
    I would have thought that this bad news for Russian energy exports would have translated into higher prices for Western energy consortium stock prices. but yet they've remained relatively stable. Perhaps these events need more time to filter through the major markets to be reflected in prices? Perhaps the US and Western Europe exist in a special bubble of their own?

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @QCIC
    @sudden death

    I wonder if more visible Ukrainian strikes in Russia will emphasize the civil war aspect of the conflict? This is mostly a proxy war with Ukraine a pawn of the West. It is also a civil war related to ill-conceived post-Soviet borders and other factors. As the pawn gets more Russian civilian blood on its hands, I think the emphasis may becomes more that Ukraine is causing the trouble and less that Ukraine is in some sense a hapless victim. In other words Ukraine gains some agency by murdering Russian civilians. This sounds better than it is, since it makes them more accountable! In the eyes of many Russians, this process may reduce the legitimacy of both Ukraine and NATO in this conflict. These citizens will easily recognize that the expanded Ukrainian attacks are only possible because Russia has not simply destroyed Ukraine's ability to fight.

    If this change in perspective occurs, it probably impacts the post-SMO situation in Ukraine. In the proxy war/pawn scenario, I suspect Ukraine is viewed as a wayward brother to be healed and over the long-term brought back into the Russian-speaking family. In the alternative civil war scenario, post-SMO Ukraine may be seen as more of a criminal (brother or not) to be dealt with harshly, hopefully to be reformed, but never trusted. This distinction may critically influence Russia's strategy for the war. The current grinding campaign seems geared to gradually weakening resolve so that ultimately there is a voluntary capitulation from Ukraine. In this scenario Russia hopes that most Ukrainians will decide to play by the new rules so there are not too many assassinations or bombings and most secret weapon caches have been traded for food, etc. The wrap up of a more normal Russian campaign (without the slow grinding) would require an enormous military police force to control the widespread Ukrainian elements who want to keep fighting and who are still funded by the West. Russia does not yet have the resources for this phase and it could be politically controversial. On the other hand, in a civil war scenario Russians might accept such an "old school" resolution to the conflict. By old school I mean bomb first and ask questions later. This would involve large prison camps, full martial law with draconian retribution against guerrillas and terrorist acts. The optics of these things would be bad, but might be acceptable to the Russian people in a civil war context.

    Western plotters are happy to promote either the proxy war or civil war perspective or both. Stoking the flames of the civil war angle potentially adds more chaos which is apparently what they want.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Sean

    , @Sean
    @sudden death

    Zaluzhny was sacked for using his elite formations only for brief well supported local counter attacks and the ordinary run of units for consolidation of recaptured area by stationary defence, which got them steadily decimated. So the elite units are going to have to face the Russia artillery/FAB music under the new commander. Ukraine will soon run out of quality units that can take territory, so I agree they will be increasingly be relying on drones ETC for everything

    , @LatW
    @sudden death


    imho, in practice more likely it will be a mix of all available UA countermeasures – maybe roughly 200k mobilization for territorial defensive goals, while continuing longer range strikes both in air&sea during 2024.
     
    They are working on their own long range capability, so that they don't have to ask permission from the West (apparently there is some proof that the one that hit St Pete really did fly out of Ukraine).

    Did you watch the incredible footage from the Ivanovets? It almost looks like very early 20th century fighting with early 21st. What is most amazing about this footage, imo, is how the ship is trying to defend itself - the ship obviously knows it's under a very serious attack and is staring death in the eyes, she is fighting for her life - you can see the barrage of smaller splashes in the water, it is where the ship is firing at the drones (with machine guns) and yet the drone skirts by and persists resolutely on its course - it is able to move in such an agile way that it circumvents the intense fire from the ship and reaches the target.

    It was apparently the Sea Baby (the Malyuka) (most likely several of them). The next step of development would be if the Sea Baby itself were able to swim back after "mission accomplished" but that is probably from the realm of fantasy at this point.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHFlqgCyElo

    Replies: @Derer, @sudden death

  305. @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader

    Question: Would it be cheaper to continue the war or to stop it right now Korea-style and simply resettle the people in the Crimean Corridor who are opposed to Russian rule in other parts of Ukraine, such as in the Odesa area? Other than Melitopol, is there much of value in the Crimean Corridor, besides its lithium deposits? I suppose that the lithium is worth a lot, but even with much more Western aid, will Ukraine actually succeed in reconquering it?

    The Ukrainians who will be compelled to move could be compensated for their lost property in the Crimean Corridor.

    FWIW, I'm not saying that I unequivocally want to stop the war right now (though I probably would in exchange for immediate Ukrainian NATO membership). I'm just trying to figure out whether it's worth it to keep going. If one wants a historical analogy here, it would be similar to anti-Nazis in the German military and German intelligence services offering the Anglo-French a deal in a scenario where France holds out in 1940 where they will agree to do an anti-Nazi coup attempt in Germany as soon as possible and if they will succeed, the Anglo-French will agree to hold plebiscites in Danzig and the Polish Corridor (minus Gdynia, which will remain/once again become Polish for sure), limited to 1918 residents only. In such a scenario, I'd have argued that it would be in Anglo-French interests to take the deal rather than to bleed themselves dry in a fight all of the way to Berlin, especially if this hypothetical deal will also include the subsequent banning of the Nazi Party in Germany and the restoration of democracy in post-war Germany.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Don’t rush things.
    If these people move to Odessa now, they will just have to move again next year 🙂

  306. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Since nobody is talking let's assume the worst. His grandpa was a cannibal. If McCain hadn't been stupid he would have said that out loud. It would have been hilarious.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @songbird

    Since nobody is talking let’s assume the worst. His grandpa was a cannibal.

    Fair, maybe, even high probability.

    If McCain hadn’t been stupid he would have said that out loud

    Would have been really funny, if McCain had said, “He drank semen mixed with the blood, like a gay Dracula.”

    https://owaahh.com/a-society-that-eats-its-own-tracing-cannibalism-in-kenyas-history/

  307. @sudden death
    @German_reader

    The goal isn't total wiping from the earth of RF petrouleum industrial facilities - notably reducing the RF state revenue and supply is sufficient enough, just those several demonstrative UA airstrikes last month had noticeable economic effect:


    Russia lost a third of gasoline exports after Ukraine struck major refineries

    Ukrainian drone strikes, which attacked at least six Russian oil and gas infrastructure facilities in January, have hit major oil companies' exports.

    Based on the results of the first month of 2024, Russian oil workers reduced the export of gasoline abroad by 37%, the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation reported. Sales of diesel fuel, the largest export of petroleum products, collapsed by 23%. The decline in exports was the result of “unscheduled repairs” at oil refineries and the need to supply the domestic market, the department explained. The Ministry of Energy assures that there are no and will not be problems with the supply of the domestic market: gasoline shipments in January increased by 7%, and diesel fuel by 17%. In addition, reserves have been formed: for motor gasoline - 1.9 million tons, for diesel fuel - 3.9 million tons, the department emphasizes.

    If the attacks continue at their current intensity, “the inconvenience could become a problem,” said Sergei Vakulenko, a visiting fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. He noted that refineries “are important to the economy and to warfare—cars and trucks, tractors and combines, tanks and ships, civilian and military aircraft must be fueled with gasoline, diesel fuel and kerosene, not crude oil.”

    https://t.me/moscowtimes_ru/18955
     

    imho, in practice more likely it will be a mix of all available UA countermeasures - maybe roughly 200k mobilization for territorial defensive goals, while continuing longer range strikes both in air&sea during 2024.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @QCIC, @Sean, @LatW

    Based on the results of the first month of 2024, Russian oil workers reduced the export of gasoline abroad by 37%, the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation reported. Sales of diesel fuel, the largest export of petroleum products, collapsed by 23%.

    I would have thought that this bad news for Russian energy exports would have translated into higher prices for Western energy consortium stock prices. but yet they’ve remained relatively stable. Perhaps these events need more time to filter through the major markets to be reflected in prices? Perhaps the US and Western Europe exist in a special bubble of their own?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Mr. Hack


    Perhaps the US and Western Europe exist in a special bubble of their own?
     
    Regarding oil products, it seems almost nobody is importing it in very sizable quantities at EU markets these days:

    https://energyandcleanair.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Largest-EU-importers-of-fossil-fuels-from-Russia2023-11-01_EN-1024x614.png

  308. @sudden death
    @German_reader

    The goal isn't total wiping from the earth of RF petrouleum industrial facilities - notably reducing the RF state revenue and supply is sufficient enough, just those several demonstrative UA airstrikes last month had noticeable economic effect:


    Russia lost a third of gasoline exports after Ukraine struck major refineries

    Ukrainian drone strikes, which attacked at least six Russian oil and gas infrastructure facilities in January, have hit major oil companies' exports.

    Based on the results of the first month of 2024, Russian oil workers reduced the export of gasoline abroad by 37%, the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation reported. Sales of diesel fuel, the largest export of petroleum products, collapsed by 23%. The decline in exports was the result of “unscheduled repairs” at oil refineries and the need to supply the domestic market, the department explained. The Ministry of Energy assures that there are no and will not be problems with the supply of the domestic market: gasoline shipments in January increased by 7%, and diesel fuel by 17%. In addition, reserves have been formed: for motor gasoline - 1.9 million tons, for diesel fuel - 3.9 million tons, the department emphasizes.

    If the attacks continue at their current intensity, “the inconvenience could become a problem,” said Sergei Vakulenko, a visiting fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. He noted that refineries “are important to the economy and to warfare—cars and trucks, tractors and combines, tanks and ships, civilian and military aircraft must be fueled with gasoline, diesel fuel and kerosene, not crude oil.”

    https://t.me/moscowtimes_ru/18955
     

    imho, in practice more likely it will be a mix of all available UA countermeasures - maybe roughly 200k mobilization for territorial defensive goals, while continuing longer range strikes both in air&sea during 2024.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @QCIC, @Sean, @LatW

    I wonder if more visible Ukrainian strikes in Russia will emphasize the civil war aspect of the conflict? This is mostly a proxy war with Ukraine a pawn of the West. It is also a civil war related to ill-conceived post-Soviet borders and other factors. As the pawn gets more Russian civilian blood on its hands, I think the emphasis may becomes more that Ukraine is causing the trouble and less that Ukraine is in some sense a hapless victim. In other words Ukraine gains some agency by murdering Russian civilians. This sounds better than it is, since it makes them more accountable! In the eyes of many Russians, this process may reduce the legitimacy of both Ukraine and NATO in this conflict. These citizens will easily recognize that the expanded Ukrainian attacks are only possible because Russia has not simply destroyed Ukraine’s ability to fight.

    If this change in perspective occurs, it probably impacts the post-SMO situation in Ukraine. In the proxy war/pawn scenario, I suspect Ukraine is viewed as a wayward brother to be healed and over the long-term brought back into the Russian-speaking family. In the alternative civil war scenario, post-SMO Ukraine may be seen as more of a criminal (brother or not) to be dealt with harshly, hopefully to be reformed, but never trusted. This distinction may critically influence Russia’s strategy for the war. The current grinding campaign seems geared to gradually weakening resolve so that ultimately there is a voluntary capitulation from Ukraine. In this scenario Russia hopes that most Ukrainians will decide to play by the new rules so there are not too many assassinations or bombings and most secret weapon caches have been traded for food, etc. The wrap up of a more normal Russian campaign (without the slow grinding) would require an enormous military police force to control the widespread Ukrainian elements who want to keep fighting and who are still funded by the West. Russia does not yet have the resources for this phase and it could be politically controversial. On the other hand, in a civil war scenario Russians might accept such an “old school” resolution to the conflict. By old school I mean bomb first and ask questions later. This would involve large prison camps, full martial law with draconian retribution against guerrillas and terrorist acts. The optics of these things would be bad, but might be acceptable to the Russian people in a civil war context.

    Western plotters are happy to promote either the proxy war or civil war perspective or both. Stoking the flames of the civil war angle potentially adds more chaos which is apparently what they want.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @QCIC

    Night strikes on oil industry are nearly ideal from humanitarian perspective, because direct civilian damage is miniscule - if I'm not mistaken, so far not even refinery worker deaths been registered this year in RF.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @Sean
    @QCIC

    Zaluzhny has not had all that low total casualties but more importantly he has publicly said in the Western media that he does not now see any way to win or limit casualties apart from not attacking. Not a message Zelensky was keen for Ukrainians to hear. Last year Zaluzhny broke off the all out initial counter offensive which was more defuse than the US wanted anyway, Subsequently, he preserved his elite units at the cost of having the mediocre ones decimated as stationary sitting ducks. Now he wants double the men mobilised Zelensky has announced; more cannon fodder stationary targets at the front. And as he said in the Economist no amount of sacrifice will win back territory because the surveillance technology means neither side can get concentrate for an attack unnoticed. The new general will lose the elite unites rather quickly I expect.

  309. @Mr. XYZ
    @songbird

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_Sr.#:~:text=was%20about%20six%20years%20old,that%20religion%20was%20mere%20superstition.


    When Obama (Sr.) was about six years old and attending a Christian missionary school, he converted from Islam to Anglicanism when strongly encouraged by the staff. He changed his name from "Baraka" to "Barack".[1] Obama (Sr.) later became an atheist, believing that religion was mere superstition.[21]
     
    So, during Obama's Presidency, al-Qaeda and ISIS could have argued that Obama is an apostate, since isn't Islam patrilineal?

    Replies: @songbird

    Didn’t Sailer once say that he thinks Barack’s father must had a lot of Middle Eastern DNA? If true, it’s interesting how Islam seems to have never really gained much ground in that area, deeper in the interior.

  310. @QCIC
    @sudden death

    I wonder if more visible Ukrainian strikes in Russia will emphasize the civil war aspect of the conflict? This is mostly a proxy war with Ukraine a pawn of the West. It is also a civil war related to ill-conceived post-Soviet borders and other factors. As the pawn gets more Russian civilian blood on its hands, I think the emphasis may becomes more that Ukraine is causing the trouble and less that Ukraine is in some sense a hapless victim. In other words Ukraine gains some agency by murdering Russian civilians. This sounds better than it is, since it makes them more accountable! In the eyes of many Russians, this process may reduce the legitimacy of both Ukraine and NATO in this conflict. These citizens will easily recognize that the expanded Ukrainian attacks are only possible because Russia has not simply destroyed Ukraine's ability to fight.

    If this change in perspective occurs, it probably impacts the post-SMO situation in Ukraine. In the proxy war/pawn scenario, I suspect Ukraine is viewed as a wayward brother to be healed and over the long-term brought back into the Russian-speaking family. In the alternative civil war scenario, post-SMO Ukraine may be seen as more of a criminal (brother or not) to be dealt with harshly, hopefully to be reformed, but never trusted. This distinction may critically influence Russia's strategy for the war. The current grinding campaign seems geared to gradually weakening resolve so that ultimately there is a voluntary capitulation from Ukraine. In this scenario Russia hopes that most Ukrainians will decide to play by the new rules so there are not too many assassinations or bombings and most secret weapon caches have been traded for food, etc. The wrap up of a more normal Russian campaign (without the slow grinding) would require an enormous military police force to control the widespread Ukrainian elements who want to keep fighting and who are still funded by the West. Russia does not yet have the resources for this phase and it could be politically controversial. On the other hand, in a civil war scenario Russians might accept such an "old school" resolution to the conflict. By old school I mean bomb first and ask questions later. This would involve large prison camps, full martial law with draconian retribution against guerrillas and terrorist acts. The optics of these things would be bad, but might be acceptable to the Russian people in a civil war context.

    Western plotters are happy to promote either the proxy war or civil war perspective or both. Stoking the flames of the civil war angle potentially adds more chaos which is apparently what they want.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Sean

    Night strikes on oil industry are nearly ideal from humanitarian perspective, because direct civilian damage is miniscule – if I’m not mistaken, so far not even refinery worker deaths been registered this year in RF.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @sudden death

    I'm aware that Russian civilian casualties have been low so far but this doesn't change my point. If the lack of heat or food or fuel can be blamed on these Ukrainian strikes the influence on public opinion can be similar to that created by actual deaths.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  311. @Yevardian
    @Derer

    The events you're alluding to happened over a decade ago now. I'm not sure a Ukrainian war with Russia was ever completely avoidable given their post 1991 borders. Primakov was already hinting at redrawing Ukraine's borders using the threat of armed force in the late 90s. Short of either becoming a Russian client state, or having an extremely talented schemer like Lukashenko in power, Ukraine retaining Crimea against a recovered post-collapse Russia was always going to be impossible longterm.

    But Ukraine could have at least taken the historical example of Finland and negotiated some kind of respectable peace with Russia after they recovered Kherson. But it's just insanity to keep on fighting a war of attrition against a country with 5 times your population whilst becoming entirely dependent on fragile foreign support for essential materials.

    Replies: @AP

    But Ukraine could have at least taken the historical example of Finland and negotiated some kind of respectable peace with Russia after they recovered Kherson

    Why do you think Russian leaders were interested in something like that? They view Ukraine as a place that should be a part of Russia, they are less willing to let go of Ukraine than they did Finland (Gerard repeats the cultural tropes about one people, Beckow repeats the stuff about Ukraine unlike Finland being too close to the Russian heartland). Their conditions amounted and still amount to making Ukraine helpless in the face of a future invasion (neutrality, and capping the number of troops and types of weapons Ukraine could have). This would either force Ukraine to acquiesce to future Russian demands or if Ukrainians would be stubborn, would make another invasion much easier.

    This is just the contemporary phase of a conflict that has lasted for centuries: Ukrainians trying to undo Khmelnytsky’s treason and tragic turn towards Muscovy and join their Western brothers, Russia trying to gather by force all the Eastern Slavic lands under Moscow’s rule.

    Sadly, Russia would have to bleed much more before it’s leaders would engage in meaningful or good faith negotiations.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @AP

    All in all Finland also waged the war nearly 4 years, it wasn't just 3 month long Winter War, which led to final resolution in 1944, thus keeping Finland population eternally out of soviet shizoeconomics/agriculture and not experiencing joys of siberian vacations afterwards;)

    Replies: @Beckow, @Gerard1234

    , @A123
    @AP



    But Ukraine could have at least taken the historical example of Finland and negotiated some kind of respectable peace with Russia after they recovered Kherson

     

    Why do you think Russian leaders were interested in something like that? They view Ukraine as a place that should be a part of Russia
     
    Russia's leaders have been signalling this for some time. While they view Crimea as part of Russia, as one goes West that feeling drops off. Even before the fighting, the east end was sometimes thought of as Russian. I do not believe I ever heard of Lviv described that way back then.

    The very early plan was creation of two independent republics that would not be integrated into Russia. Kiev aggression forced a change to officially integrating large chunks of 4 oblasts. This places development cost on Moscow as the territories are less prosperous than the national mean. More land = more post-war expenses. The current line would sell to Russian decision makers and the public at large.

    Also, Russia has strong 2nd hand knowledge about having a failed state next door. Their client Syria is plagued by the devolution of Lebanon. Russian leaders would prefer a non-aggressive, stable, even if less than friendly, state next door rather than a lawless black hole.
    ___

    Does anyone think Zelensky is interested in a viable deal?

    The problem remains Ukrainian intransigence and untrustworthiness. The Minsk deal, much like Oslo, depended on good faith. In both cases, the Ukie/Pali sides immediately undercut the arrangement. After the perfidy of Minsk, any new deal must include verifiable and enforceable provisions that prevent Kiev from arming up for Round 2.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

  312. @AP
    @Yevardian


    But Ukraine could have at least taken the historical example of Finland and negotiated some kind of respectable peace with Russia after they recovered Kherson
     
    Why do you think Russian leaders were interested in something like that? They view Ukraine as a place that should be a part of Russia, they are less willing to let go of Ukraine than they did Finland (Gerard repeats the cultural tropes about one people, Beckow repeats the stuff about Ukraine unlike Finland being too close to the Russian heartland). Their conditions amounted and still amount to making Ukraine helpless in the face of a future invasion (neutrality, and capping the number of troops and types of weapons Ukraine could have). This would either force Ukraine to acquiesce to future Russian demands or if Ukrainians would be stubborn, would make another invasion much easier.

    This is just the contemporary phase of a conflict that has lasted for centuries: Ukrainians trying to undo Khmelnytsky’s treason and tragic turn towards Muscovy and join their Western brothers, Russia trying to gather by force all the Eastern Slavic lands under Moscow’s rule.

    Sadly, Russia would have to bleed much more before it’s leaders would engage in meaningful or good faith negotiations.

    Replies: @sudden death, @A123

    All in all Finland also waged the war nearly 4 years, it wasn’t just 3 month long Winter War, which led to final resolution in 1944, thus keeping Finland population eternally out of soviet shizoeconomics/agriculture and not experiencing joys of siberian vacations afterwards;)

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @sudden death


    ...All in all Finland also waged the war nearly 4 years, it wasn’t just 3 month long Winter War, which led to final resolution in 1944...
     
    Yes, Finland did - fighting on the Nazi side till the very end. Are you proud of that?

    Since these minor Nazi allies like Finland decided to drop out of the merciful treatment they received after WW2 - why after the horrible atrocities they committed in Russia? - it will have to be re-fought.

    Comparing the forces in WW2 and today the revenge Nazi attacks have even less of a chance to succeed. They lost in WW2, were let off lightly, maybe this time it will be harsher. But they made the choice.

    Replies: @German_reader, @sudden death

    , @Gerard1234
    @sudden death


    All in all Finland also waged the war nearly 4 years
     
    Even for a dipshit of a nothing country - its very bizarre you would be stupid enough to openly praise the fact that the Finns fought WITH the Nazi's in all this time. How dumb (or evil) are you? You could go further and admit the Germans were critical to Finnish Communists not winning the civil war .

    thus keeping Finland population eternally out of soviet shizoeconomics/agriculture
     
    One of conditions for Soviets not annihilating the Finns ( and also possibly not placing Mannerheim on war crimes trial at Nuremberg) after they betrayed the agreements after the Winter War and fought with the Nazis against the Soviet Union........was ending the ban on the Communist Party of Finland you idiot. They had a Communist Prime Minister immediately after the war, and they played their part in numerous coalition governments.

    experiencing joys of siberian vacations afterwards;)
     
    1. Siberia is fantastic you tramp
    2. Have you tried holiday in Finland? If not there for the nature or the fishing which is great, then its as boring as f**k you cretin - unless one of the Finns decide to suicide themselves from boredom again out of your hotel window

    Replies: @sudden death

  313. @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    Baahubali is one of the names of Lord Shiva.

    So yes it's a literal movie about TND.

    https://www.jatland.com/home/Origin_of_Jats_from_Shiva%27s_Locks#Daksha.27s_sacrifice_by_Virabhadra

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibcvWT7KQQ


    "Like we boil milk for a long time, boil it all day, and then let it settle to curdle. Even when it curdles, we do not let it be. We now churn it. Then what happens? The butter floats to the top and pure butter milk is left behind. In this way, from all the creeds that make up Hinduism, the Khalsa, like the butter that is churned out [of milk], has been extracted and revealed by the great king [Guru Gobind Singh]. That truth which is 'Sanatan', from the time the earth and skies were created and mankind came into being, it has been made manifest."
     
    https://www.shastarvidiya.org/articles/misunderstandings.html

    One of my friends from the Karlin server randomly said he started wearing a Pagg & keeping his Kesh (hair on head).

    Asked why?

    He said "Reminds me to walk with Sovereign Posture" (like a King)

    ਅਕਾਲ

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    The exuberance of the king’s dance is wonderful. It reminds me of a time when I needed to reestablish my focus by bathing underneath a rainforest waterfall, hidden far from civilization.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    bathing underneath a rainforest waterfall,
     
    Wise choice: am not sure schistosomes or brain-eating amoebae can survive such turbulent waters.

    The singing and dancing is another curious aspect of Indian cinema. It is almost like musicals never went out of style there. Have never heard a good explanation for it, and don't have the background to theorize properly, though I can spitball a lot of crazy ideas, with little basis.

    Firstly, I wonder how common it might be in Muslim films. Maybe, it is part of Hindus saying that they aren't Muslims? (Have never seen a Muslim film from that area.)

    Next, maybe, singing and dancing translates better across the internal language barriers?

    The mass nature of it reminds me strangely of the socialized politicoeconomics that was popular in India for a long time. Like thousands of Indians hand-spinning yarn in front of Gandhi. Maybe, there was a lot of pressure to give people small jobs - sometimes I think I perceive something similar in mainland Chinese stuff.

    Perhaps, being sun people, Indians are a lot more extroverted. Yet, I am not so certain that it is a common theme in other cinema at that latitude.

    Lastly, have heard it implied that it has something to do with Indian diversity. Like everyone has their ethnic dance, and somehow it feeds off that.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  314. Japan is making smart choices.

    Japan DESTROYS Woke American Propaganda – CRT BLOCKED

    PEACE 😇

  315. @sudden death
    @QCIC

    Night strikes on oil industry are nearly ideal from humanitarian perspective, because direct civilian damage is miniscule - if I'm not mistaken, so far not even refinery worker deaths been registered this year in RF.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I’m aware that Russian civilian casualties have been low so far but this doesn’t change my point. If the lack of heat or food or fuel can be blamed on these Ukrainian strikes the influence on public opinion can be similar to that created by actual deaths.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC

    By repeated mass murder of civilians (shelling Donetsk since 2014, shelling Belgorod not so long ago, very recent shelling of bread-baking plant in Lisichansk) Kiev regime achieved remarkable hardening of the attitude of most Russian residents. While in early 2022 most Russians looked at Ukraine as a sick brother needing medical help, now more than 70% see Ukraine as a mental case that should never be allowed any freedom. Thus, if some kind of compromise was possible in 2022, now nothing short of elimination of Ukraine as such and extermination of all Ukie criminals is viewed as possible.

    Another result of Ukie terrorist activity is that while in 2022 maybe 20-25% of Russian population supported the restoration of capital punishment (halted in the RF 1n 1996), today >70% support it.

    I don’t know whether these were the objectives of the puppeteers, but this was successfully achieved by their Kiev puppets.

    Replies: @AP

  316. @sudden death
    @German_reader

    The goal isn't total wiping from the earth of RF petrouleum industrial facilities - notably reducing the RF state revenue and supply is sufficient enough, just those several demonstrative UA airstrikes last month had noticeable economic effect:


    Russia lost a third of gasoline exports after Ukraine struck major refineries

    Ukrainian drone strikes, which attacked at least six Russian oil and gas infrastructure facilities in January, have hit major oil companies' exports.

    Based on the results of the first month of 2024, Russian oil workers reduced the export of gasoline abroad by 37%, the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation reported. Sales of diesel fuel, the largest export of petroleum products, collapsed by 23%. The decline in exports was the result of “unscheduled repairs” at oil refineries and the need to supply the domestic market, the department explained. The Ministry of Energy assures that there are no and will not be problems with the supply of the domestic market: gasoline shipments in January increased by 7%, and diesel fuel by 17%. In addition, reserves have been formed: for motor gasoline - 1.9 million tons, for diesel fuel - 3.9 million tons, the department emphasizes.

    If the attacks continue at their current intensity, “the inconvenience could become a problem,” said Sergei Vakulenko, a visiting fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. He noted that refineries “are important to the economy and to warfare—cars and trucks, tractors and combines, tanks and ships, civilian and military aircraft must be fueled with gasoline, diesel fuel and kerosene, not crude oil.”

    https://t.me/moscowtimes_ru/18955
     

    imho, in practice more likely it will be a mix of all available UA countermeasures - maybe roughly 200k mobilization for territorial defensive goals, while continuing longer range strikes both in air&sea during 2024.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @QCIC, @Sean, @LatW

    Zaluzhny was sacked for using his elite formations only for brief well supported local counter attacks and the ordinary run of units for consolidation of recaptured area by stationary defence, which got them steadily decimated. So the elite units are going to have to face the Russia artillery/FAB music under the new commander. Ukraine will soon run out of quality units that can take territory, so I agree they will be increasingly be relying on drones ETC for everything

  317. @Mr. Hack
    @Sher Singh

    The exuberance of the king's dance is wonderful. It reminds me of a time when I needed to reestablish my focus by bathing underneath a rainforest waterfall, hidden far from civilization.


    https://www.strunzandfarah.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/9-Wild-Muse-3.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

    bathing underneath a rainforest waterfall,

    Wise choice: am not sure schistosomes or brain-eating amoebae can survive such turbulent waters.

    The singing and dancing is another curious aspect of Indian cinema. It is almost like musicals never went out of style there. Have never heard a good explanation for it, and don’t have the background to theorize properly, though I can spitball a lot of crazy ideas, with little basis.

    [MORE]

    Firstly, I wonder how common it might be in Muslim films. Maybe, it is part of Hindus saying that they aren’t Muslims? (Have never seen a Muslim film from that area.)

    Next, maybe, singing and dancing translates better across the internal language barriers?

    The mass nature of it reminds me strangely of the socialized politicoeconomics that was popular in India for a long time. Like thousands of Indians hand-spinning yarn in front of Gandhi. Maybe, there was a lot of pressure to give people small jobs – sometimes I think I perceive something similar in mainland Chinese stuff.

    Perhaps, being sun people, Indians are a lot more extroverted. Yet, I am not so certain that it is a common theme in other cinema at that latitude.

    Lastly, have heard it implied that it has something to do with Indian diversity. Like everyone has their ethnic dance, and somehow it feeds off that.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Do they have gangsta rap videos? Maybe Singh missed his calling. He could be a TND rapper. Might that be his side hustle?

    Replies: @songbird

  318. @sudden death
    @AP

    All in all Finland also waged the war nearly 4 years, it wasn't just 3 month long Winter War, which led to final resolution in 1944, thus keeping Finland population eternally out of soviet shizoeconomics/agriculture and not experiencing joys of siberian vacations afterwards;)

    Replies: @Beckow, @Gerard1234

    …All in all Finland also waged the war nearly 4 years, it wasn’t just 3 month long Winter War, which led to final resolution in 1944…

    Yes, Finland did – fighting on the Nazi side till the very end. Are you proud of that?

    Since these minor Nazi allies like Finland decided to drop out of the merciful treatment they received after WW2 – why after the horrible atrocities they committed in Russia? – it will have to be re-fought.

    Comparing the forces in WW2 and today the revenge Nazi attacks have even less of a chance to succeed. They lost in WW2, were let off lightly, maybe this time it will be harsher. But they made the choice.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow


    They lost in WW2, were let off lightly, maybe this time it will be harsher.
     
    Demented comment, unless the nukes start flying, what's Russia going to do with Finland? Bomb Helsinki, or invade the country as if it were 1940 again? Hardly likely.
    Quality of discussion here is really getting lower and lower.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @sudden death
    @Beckow

    They got the merciful treatment, because they fought off the Soviet onslought very stubbornly, competently and continously, thus managed to convey the point into thick skulls about them not being welcomed at all - those who didn't, later got the Soviet colonization and population replacement in their own homelands in addition with schizoeconomy/agriculture;)

    Replies: @Beckow

  319. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @sudden death


    ...All in all Finland also waged the war nearly 4 years, it wasn’t just 3 month long Winter War, which led to final resolution in 1944...
     
    Yes, Finland did - fighting on the Nazi side till the very end. Are you proud of that?

    Since these minor Nazi allies like Finland decided to drop out of the merciful treatment they received after WW2 - why after the horrible atrocities they committed in Russia? - it will have to be re-fought.

    Comparing the forces in WW2 and today the revenge Nazi attacks have even less of a chance to succeed. They lost in WW2, were let off lightly, maybe this time it will be harsher. But they made the choice.

    Replies: @German_reader, @sudden death

    They lost in WW2, were let off lightly, maybe this time it will be harsher.

    Demented comment, unless the nukes start flying, what’s Russia going to do with Finland? Bomb Helsinki, or invade the country as if it were 1940 again? Hardly likely.
    Quality of discussion here is really getting lower and lower.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader

    Harsher simply means no business breaks - Finland's economy prospered as a neutral Euro country with an easy access to the large Russian market and resources. Why is taking it away 'demented'? They were treated very lightly after WW2 - the Finnish brutality around St.Petersburg was as bad as Germans. They chose to renege on the deal. It is too early, people still remember WW2.

    If you think that nukes will start flying, it is possible, but it won't be over Finland. There are bigger issues at stake.

    Replies: @German_reader

  320. @QCIC
    @sudden death

    I wonder if more visible Ukrainian strikes in Russia will emphasize the civil war aspect of the conflict? This is mostly a proxy war with Ukraine a pawn of the West. It is also a civil war related to ill-conceived post-Soviet borders and other factors. As the pawn gets more Russian civilian blood on its hands, I think the emphasis may becomes more that Ukraine is causing the trouble and less that Ukraine is in some sense a hapless victim. In other words Ukraine gains some agency by murdering Russian civilians. This sounds better than it is, since it makes them more accountable! In the eyes of many Russians, this process may reduce the legitimacy of both Ukraine and NATO in this conflict. These citizens will easily recognize that the expanded Ukrainian attacks are only possible because Russia has not simply destroyed Ukraine's ability to fight.

    If this change in perspective occurs, it probably impacts the post-SMO situation in Ukraine. In the proxy war/pawn scenario, I suspect Ukraine is viewed as a wayward brother to be healed and over the long-term brought back into the Russian-speaking family. In the alternative civil war scenario, post-SMO Ukraine may be seen as more of a criminal (brother or not) to be dealt with harshly, hopefully to be reformed, but never trusted. This distinction may critically influence Russia's strategy for the war. The current grinding campaign seems geared to gradually weakening resolve so that ultimately there is a voluntary capitulation from Ukraine. In this scenario Russia hopes that most Ukrainians will decide to play by the new rules so there are not too many assassinations or bombings and most secret weapon caches have been traded for food, etc. The wrap up of a more normal Russian campaign (without the slow grinding) would require an enormous military police force to control the widespread Ukrainian elements who want to keep fighting and who are still funded by the West. Russia does not yet have the resources for this phase and it could be politically controversial. On the other hand, in a civil war scenario Russians might accept such an "old school" resolution to the conflict. By old school I mean bomb first and ask questions later. This would involve large prison camps, full martial law with draconian retribution against guerrillas and terrorist acts. The optics of these things would be bad, but might be acceptable to the Russian people in a civil war context.

    Western plotters are happy to promote either the proxy war or civil war perspective or both. Stoking the flames of the civil war angle potentially adds more chaos which is apparently what they want.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Sean

    Zaluzhny has not had all that low total casualties but more importantly he has publicly said in the Western media that he does not now see any way to win or limit casualties apart from not attacking. Not a message Zelensky was keen for Ukrainians to hear. Last year Zaluzhny broke off the all out initial counter offensive which was more defuse than the US wanted anyway, Subsequently, he preserved his elite units at the cost of having the mediocre ones decimated as stationary sitting ducks. Now he wants double the men mobilised Zelensky has announced; more cannon fodder stationary targets at the front. And as he said in the Economist no amount of sacrifice will win back territory because the surveillance technology means neither side can get concentrate for an attack unnoticed. The new general will lose the elite unites rather quickly I expect.

  321. @QCIC
    @sudden death

    I'm aware that Russian civilian casualties have been low so far but this doesn't change my point. If the lack of heat or food or fuel can be blamed on these Ukrainian strikes the influence on public opinion can be similar to that created by actual deaths.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    By repeated mass murder of civilians (shelling Donetsk since 2014, shelling Belgorod not so long ago, very recent shelling of bread-baking plant in Lisichansk) Kiev regime achieved remarkable hardening of the attitude of most Russian residents. While in early 2022 most Russians looked at Ukraine as a sick brother needing medical help, now more than 70% see Ukraine as a mental case that should never be allowed any freedom. Thus, if some kind of compromise was possible in 2022, now nothing short of elimination of Ukraine as such and extermination of all Ukie criminals is viewed as possible.

    Another result of Ukie terrorist activity is that while in 2022 maybe 20-25% of Russian population supported the restoration of capital punishment (halted in the RF 1n 1996), today >70% support it.

    I don’t know whether these were the objectives of the puppeteers, but this was successfully achieved by their Kiev puppets.

    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    By repeated mass murder of civilians (shelling Donetsk since 2014, shelling Belgorod not so long ago, very recent shelling of bread-baking plant in Lisichansk) Kiev regime achieved remarkable hardening of the attitude of most Russian residents
     
    And yet you somehow think that Russia has not done worse things and not achieved more hardening of attitudes in places like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

  322. @Beckow
    @sudden death


    ...All in all Finland also waged the war nearly 4 years, it wasn’t just 3 month long Winter War, which led to final resolution in 1944...
     
    Yes, Finland did - fighting on the Nazi side till the very end. Are you proud of that?

    Since these minor Nazi allies like Finland decided to drop out of the merciful treatment they received after WW2 - why after the horrible atrocities they committed in Russia? - it will have to be re-fought.

    Comparing the forces in WW2 and today the revenge Nazi attacks have even less of a chance to succeed. They lost in WW2, were let off lightly, maybe this time it will be harsher. But they made the choice.

    Replies: @German_reader, @sudden death

    They got the merciful treatment, because they fought off the Soviet onslought very stubbornly, competently and continously, thus managed to convey the point into thick skulls about them not being welcomed at all – those who didn’t, later got the Soviet colonization and population replacement in their own homelands in addition with schizoeconomy/agriculture;)

    • Agree: LatW
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @sudden death

    Nonsense, they lost the war...at the end Finns begged for mercy and tried to distance themselves from the Nazi side. They were in no position to use their "thick skulls" in 1945.

    Why were Russians merciful towards Finland? They were soviets and commies, believed in the workers' utopian solidarity - Finland was quite socialist and small, so they accommodated them. Now the deal is off.

  323. @Mikhail
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjvEI6U80SI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWC-48Y_gmQ

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Well it’s about time a tech billionaire invested in something worthwhile.

    Much better than space trips for other billionaires or mega yachts that they don’t even use.

    Some pretty funny video from the front:

    CAN I GET A RIDE???

    NAH

    • Replies: @Sean
    @John Johnson

    He was probably safer on foot although suicide drones are so abundant now they are now being used to target individual soldiers.

  324. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    bathing underneath a rainforest waterfall,
     
    Wise choice: am not sure schistosomes or brain-eating amoebae can survive such turbulent waters.

    The singing and dancing is another curious aspect of Indian cinema. It is almost like musicals never went out of style there. Have never heard a good explanation for it, and don't have the background to theorize properly, though I can spitball a lot of crazy ideas, with little basis.

    Firstly, I wonder how common it might be in Muslim films. Maybe, it is part of Hindus saying that they aren't Muslims? (Have never seen a Muslim film from that area.)

    Next, maybe, singing and dancing translates better across the internal language barriers?

    The mass nature of it reminds me strangely of the socialized politicoeconomics that was popular in India for a long time. Like thousands of Indians hand-spinning yarn in front of Gandhi. Maybe, there was a lot of pressure to give people small jobs - sometimes I think I perceive something similar in mainland Chinese stuff.

    Perhaps, being sun people, Indians are a lot more extroverted. Yet, I am not so certain that it is a common theme in other cinema at that latitude.

    Lastly, have heard it implied that it has something to do with Indian diversity. Like everyone has their ethnic dance, and somehow it feeds off that.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Do they have gangsta rap videos? Maybe Singh missed his calling. He could be a TND rapper. Might that be his side hustle?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Do they have gangsta rap videos?

     

    assume so. Thought RRR had a bit of rap in it.

    The director said he was inspired by Tarantino's WW2 revisionism. I found Tarantino's film pretty hard to watch - did not enjoy. They killed too many women in it. Whereas, the Indians only killed one, I think? An old, mean broad and it was evident that they wanted to miscegenate with the younger ones. And it seemed much more light-hearted, though the English were depicted as being very evil. (But one can put this down to the need to unite Indians)

    I wonder whether AP or Mr. Hack watched the movie, based on its Ukrainian connections.

    Maybe Singh missed his calling. He could be a TND rapper
     
    Aren't Modi's henchmen already on his trail? Might make for an expensive life-insurance policy.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  325. @AnonfromTN
    @Mikhail


    Budanov and Syrsky clearly indicating they don’t want to replace him
     
    Apparently, both have some functional brains: no even half-smart person would want to be responsible for what happens next. Zaluzhnyi is trapped: he cannot relinquish his position for fear of being assassinated by the clown’s gang, so he will be responsible for the the military catastrophe. If he manages to escape in time, he might remain alive (unless his and clown’s puppet masters decide to get rid of him).

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    There is nothing new about the feud between the clown and Zaluzhnyi. Ever since 2014 there was constant process of selection of the rat king in Kiev.

    (In the old days of wooden ships rats were a big problem. To solve it, the sailors placed groups of rats into cages and didn’t give them food or water. Eventually in each cage only one rat survived by eating its “brothers”. Then the survivors were placed into a single cage without food or water. Again, eventually only one rat survived. It was called the rat king and put on a ship. Whenever rats invaded in any port the ship visited, the rat king ate them all.).

    Replies: @songbird

  326. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Forgive me AP. I dared to imagine that your wife might have been of the "naughty"side of the lineage. Obviously, I don't understand how exactly these DNA research companies present their findings. I'm quite sure that I would appreciate your wife no matter who her great, great, great grandparents were, or yours for that matter.

    Replies: @AP

    23andme can find various relatives – it can tell you that so-and-so is likely your 3rd-4th cousin (it can’t be totally specific). My wife found an unexpected cousin in a Balkan country where her great-grandfather, a notorious troublemaker, happened to have visited prior to World War I.

    The new-found cousin was excited to find a connection, but when the nature of this connection was explained, all contact ceased. Which, as I’ve said, seems silly – no need to be ashamed of something that occurred so long ago and so many generations ago. Other people are less ashamed of worse things. The Australian-born father of a former colleague, amusingly discovered that he was descended from a pickpocket and from a prostitute in 19th century London who had gotten deported down under (this was from archival research, not 23andme).

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  327. @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC

    By repeated mass murder of civilians (shelling Donetsk since 2014, shelling Belgorod not so long ago, very recent shelling of bread-baking plant in Lisichansk) Kiev regime achieved remarkable hardening of the attitude of most Russian residents. While in early 2022 most Russians looked at Ukraine as a sick brother needing medical help, now more than 70% see Ukraine as a mental case that should never be allowed any freedom. Thus, if some kind of compromise was possible in 2022, now nothing short of elimination of Ukraine as such and extermination of all Ukie criminals is viewed as possible.

    Another result of Ukie terrorist activity is that while in 2022 maybe 20-25% of Russian population supported the restoration of capital punishment (halted in the RF 1n 1996), today >70% support it.

    I don’t know whether these were the objectives of the puppeteers, but this was successfully achieved by their Kiev puppets.

    Replies: @AP

    By repeated mass murder of civilians (shelling Donetsk since 2014, shelling Belgorod not so long ago, very recent shelling of bread-baking plant in Lisichansk) Kiev regime achieved remarkable hardening of the attitude of most Russian residents

    And yet you somehow think that Russia has not done worse things and not achieved more hardening of attitudes in places like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    more hardening of attitudes in places like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia.
     
    Life ain’t fair. Attitude of the winners matters. Attitude of the losers does not.
    , @QCIC
    @AP

    Many Russian civilians see the Ukrainian moves against Donbass as aggression against their Russian-speaking cousins and the Russian military response as a direct reaction to that aggression. From this perspective the Ukrainian leaders had a choice while the Russian leaders did not, simple action and reaction. The fact that there is an imaginary line dividing the two areas does not change the history that these regions and peoples were part of a unified state within living memory and going back a long time.

    As far as the Russian fighting creating hardening and animosity of Ukrainian citizens, that is a cost Russia accepted at the beginning of the SMO. Did the Ukrainian cheerleaders accept in 2014 that they were embarking on a path which would likely get the country destroyed? Is that what you and Hack were hoping for?

    Of course this risk is less obvious if you pretend the cold war didn't happen and ignore that Russia was still in a tense nuclear relationship with the West. Or you chose to ignore that NATO expansion to the East was an extreme provocation made worse by the US basing missiles in Eastern Europe. These are the context for Maidan and Ukrainian shelling of Russian speakers in historically Russian areas.

    Don't get mad at me for pointing this out again. Be disappointed with yourself for believing liars from Washington and Kiev. All of the other important details pointed out by you and other pro-Ukrainians or the anti-Russian crowd do nothing to change the fundamentals. They add color and life to the story but do not change the basics of the situation. This is a Western-sponsored aggression against Russia and no good can come of it for Ukraine. If Ukrainians had been wise this would not have happened. The West did not pressure Ukraine into this madness, your people enthusiastically volunteered.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    If most of the people from these territories have already fled, can't Russia do population replacement there with Central Asians and Russians who are looking for cheaper summer properties? Melitopol and Mariupol could, tragically enough, become shining (or less than shining) examples of the new Greater Eurasia.

  328. @AP
    @Yevardian


    But Ukraine could have at least taken the historical example of Finland and negotiated some kind of respectable peace with Russia after they recovered Kherson
     
    Why do you think Russian leaders were interested in something like that? They view Ukraine as a place that should be a part of Russia, they are less willing to let go of Ukraine than they did Finland (Gerard repeats the cultural tropes about one people, Beckow repeats the stuff about Ukraine unlike Finland being too close to the Russian heartland). Their conditions amounted and still amount to making Ukraine helpless in the face of a future invasion (neutrality, and capping the number of troops and types of weapons Ukraine could have). This would either force Ukraine to acquiesce to future Russian demands or if Ukrainians would be stubborn, would make another invasion much easier.

    This is just the contemporary phase of a conflict that has lasted for centuries: Ukrainians trying to undo Khmelnytsky’s treason and tragic turn towards Muscovy and join their Western brothers, Russia trying to gather by force all the Eastern Slavic lands under Moscow’s rule.

    Sadly, Russia would have to bleed much more before it’s leaders would engage in meaningful or good faith negotiations.

    Replies: @sudden death, @A123

    But Ukraine could have at least taken the historical example of Finland and negotiated some kind of respectable peace with Russia after they recovered Kherson

    Why do you think Russian leaders were interested in something like that? They view Ukraine as a place that should be a part of Russia

    Russia’s leaders have been signalling this for some time. While they view Crimea as part of Russia, as one goes West that feeling drops off. Even before the fighting, the east end was sometimes thought of as Russian. I do not believe I ever heard of Lviv described that way back then.

    The very early plan was creation of two independent republics that would not be integrated into Russia. Kiev aggression forced a change to officially integrating large chunks of 4 oblasts. This places development cost on Moscow as the territories are less prosperous than the national mean. More land = more post-war expenses. The current line would sell to Russian decision makers and the public at large.

    Also, Russia has strong 2nd hand knowledge about having a failed state next door. Their client Syria is plagued by the devolution of Lebanon. Russian leaders would prefer a non-aggressive, stable, even if less than friendly, state next door rather than a lawless black hole.
    ___

    Does anyone think Zelensky is interested in a viable deal?

    The problem remains Ukrainian intransigence and untrustworthiness. The Minsk deal, much like Oslo, depended on good faith. In both cases, the Ukie/Pali sides immediately undercut the arrangement. After the perfidy of Minsk, any new deal must include verifiable and enforceable provisions that prevent Kiev from arming up for Round 2.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @LatW
    @A123


    Even before the fighting, the east end was sometimes thought of as Russian.
     
    Just because something is "thought of" in a certain way, doesn't mean it is ok to casually carve up whole states - even if for some this might be the "new normal", it still merits some serious consideration. The East is "Russian" only by those who do not know enough about Ukraine. There have always been traditional Ukrainian settlements in the East and in the South.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloboda_Ukraine

    The first ones to rise and fight against the pro-Russian militias that had started the insurgency and that were supplied by the RusFed, were in fact Donbassers themselves - the so called черные человечки (or the "men in black", named so in contrast to the Russian "green men") - these were local militias with roots in the Donetsk region, not someone from Kyiv or much less Lviv.

    Many of the Easterners are bilingual (I have met such Russian speaking refugees from Luhansk, who also had Ukrainian classes in school), namely, they used Russian daily, but could also speak Ukrainian (or at least understand it).

    Many pro-Ukrainian Donbas natives were expelled, many were forced to move twice - first, out of Donbass into, let's say, Zaporizhzhia and then once again from there further West, once the large scale invasion started - have you heard much of such cases where refugees and the internally displaced are displaced not once but twice - which is scandalous from the humanitarian point of view, yet people such as yourself dismiss this casually as if it's not a big deal...

    Besides, just because a region speaks a certain language, doesn't mean it can be carved out of the country (there are many layers in between, such as autonomy, etc). Or at least, all large states resist this.

    A large nuclear country trying to aggressively partition another state - a state that was intentionally disarmed in the 1990s through collaborative efforts between Russia and the US, or, even worse, in fact - the most potent Ukrainian made weapons were actually given away to Russia - with the intention to eventually swallow it up - this is an attempt that effectively dismantles the whole international order.


    This places development cost on Moscow as the territories are less prosperous than the national mean.

     

    Not only that but after the arrival of the Russian world, these regions are not just poorer than they were under Ukraine, but they now lack water and electricity in some cases. In some cases, the inhabitants had to melt snow to get water. They have been taken to the Stone Age - a complete disregard of these people's wellbeing and denial of their basic human dignity. They are second (or even third) class citizens by Russian standards and this is openly being admitted by the Z crowd.

    Does anyone think Zelensky is interested in a viable deal?
     

    It's not about Zelensky. Giving away territory is against Ukraine's constitution. If Zelensky ever agrees to this, he will have to go.

    After the perfidy of Minsk, any new deal must include verifiable and enforceable provisions that prevent Kiev from arming up for Round 2.
     

    Mensk is water under the bridge. So much aggression has taken place against Ukraine since then and the intentions of Moscow of destroying the Ukrainian nationality are so clear, that the Ukrainians will never give up the idea of creating a viable deterrent (even if it remains to be seen if they can manage to create one). If they fail at this, the result will be a re-armament of Europe. Possibly both of those will happen now.

    Replies: @A123

  329. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/02/02/zaluzhny-zelensky-white-house/

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    There is nothing new about the feud between the clown and Zaluzhnyi. Ever since 2014 there was constant process of selection of the rat king in Kiev.

    (In the old days of wooden ships rats were a big problem. To solve it, the sailors placed groups of rats into cages and didn’t give them food or water. Eventually in each cage only one rat survived by eating its “brothers”. Then the survivors were placed into a single cage without food or water. Again, eventually only one rat survived. It was called the rat king and put on a ship. Whenever rats invaded in any port the ship visited, the rat king ate them all.).

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AnonfromTN

    Interesting. Had only ever heard of this type:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_king

  330. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Do they have gangsta rap videos? Maybe Singh missed his calling. He could be a TND rapper. Might that be his side hustle?

    Replies: @songbird

    Do they have gangsta rap videos?

    assume so. Thought RRR had a bit of rap in it.

    The director said he was inspired by Tarantino’s WW2 revisionism. I found Tarantino’s film pretty hard to watch – did not enjoy. They killed too many women in it. Whereas, the Indians only killed one, I think? An old, mean broad and it was evident that they wanted to miscegenate with the younger ones. And it seemed much more light-hearted, though the English were depicted as being very evil. (But one can put this down to the need to unite Indians)

    I wonder whether AP or Mr. Hack watched the movie, based on its Ukrainian connections.

    Maybe Singh missed his calling. He could be a TND rapper

    Aren’t Modi’s henchmen already on his trail? Might make for an expensive life-insurance policy.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    What Ukrainian connections?

    Replies: @songbird

  331. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    By repeated mass murder of civilians (shelling Donetsk since 2014, shelling Belgorod not so long ago, very recent shelling of bread-baking plant in Lisichansk) Kiev regime achieved remarkable hardening of the attitude of most Russian residents
     
    And yet you somehow think that Russia has not done worse things and not achieved more hardening of attitudes in places like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    more hardening of attitudes in places like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia.

    Life ain’t fair. Attitude of the winners matters. Attitude of the losers does not.

  332. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    By repeated mass murder of civilians (shelling Donetsk since 2014, shelling Belgorod not so long ago, very recent shelling of bread-baking plant in Lisichansk) Kiev regime achieved remarkable hardening of the attitude of most Russian residents
     
    And yet you somehow think that Russia has not done worse things and not achieved more hardening of attitudes in places like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    Many Russian civilians see the Ukrainian moves against Donbass as aggression against their Russian-speaking cousins and the Russian military response as a direct reaction to that aggression. From this perspective the Ukrainian leaders had a choice while the Russian leaders did not, simple action and reaction. The fact that there is an imaginary line dividing the two areas does not change the history that these regions and peoples were part of a unified state within living memory and going back a long time.

    As far as the Russian fighting creating hardening and animosity of Ukrainian citizens, that is a cost Russia accepted at the beginning of the SMO. Did the Ukrainian cheerleaders accept in 2014 that they were embarking on a path which would likely get the country destroyed? Is that what you and Hack were hoping for?

    Of course this risk is less obvious if you pretend the cold war didn’t happen and ignore that Russia was still in a tense nuclear relationship with the West. Or you chose to ignore that NATO expansion to the East was an extreme provocation made worse by the US basing missiles in Eastern Europe. These are the context for Maidan and Ukrainian shelling of Russian speakers in historically Russian areas.

    Don’t get mad at me for pointing this out again. Be disappointed with yourself for believing liars from Washington and Kiev. All of the other important details pointed out by you and other pro-Ukrainians or the anti-Russian crowd do nothing to change the fundamentals. They add color and life to the story but do not change the basics of the situation. This is a Western-sponsored aggression against Russia and no good can come of it for Ukraine. If Ukrainians had been wise this would not have happened. The West did not pressure Ukraine into this madness, your people enthusiastically volunteered.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    From this perspective the Ukrainian leaders had a choice while the Russian leaders did not, simple action and reaction. The fact that there is an imaginary line dividing the two areas does not change the history that these regions and peoples were part of a unified state within living memory and going back a long time.

    You are saying the failed attempt at taking Kiev was required to protect DPR/LPR?

    What then is the justification for the Russian occupation of two oblasts that did not have separatists and voted for Zelensky?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Derer

  333. @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    There is nothing new about the feud between the clown and Zaluzhnyi. Ever since 2014 there was constant process of selection of the rat king in Kiev.

    (In the old days of wooden ships rats were a big problem. To solve it, the sailors placed groups of rats into cages and didn’t give them food or water. Eventually in each cage only one rat survived by eating its “brothers”. Then the survivors were placed into a single cage without food or water. Again, eventually only one rat survived. It was called the rat king and put on a ship. Whenever rats invaded in any port the ship visited, the rat king ate them all.).

    Replies: @songbird

    Interesting. Had only ever heard of this type:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_king

  334. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    They lost in WW2, were let off lightly, maybe this time it will be harsher.
     
    Demented comment, unless the nukes start flying, what's Russia going to do with Finland? Bomb Helsinki, or invade the country as if it were 1940 again? Hardly likely.
    Quality of discussion here is really getting lower and lower.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Harsher simply means no business breaks – Finland’s economy prospered as a neutral Euro country with an easy access to the large Russian market and resources. Why is taking it away ‘demented’? They were treated very lightly after WW2 – the Finnish brutality around St.Petersburg was as bad as Germans. They chose to renege on the deal. It is too early, people still remember WW2.

    If you think that nukes will start flying, it is possible, but it won’t be over Finland. There are bigger issues at stake.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow


    the Finnish brutality around St.Petersburg was as bad as Germans.
     
    I don't think that's correct. Not sure to what extent Finland was involved in the Leningrad blockade. But iirc they didn't move beyond a certain line, despite German requests to do so. I doubt they committed all that many war crimes either (unlike Romanians etc.).
    That said, you do have somewhat of a point insofar as Finland chose to join in the German attack on the Soviet Union (to recover its lost territories). It didn't have to do that.
    Regarding business, sure, that would be a legitimate reaction. But you sounded like you had something else in mind.

    It is too early, people still remember WW2.
     
    At this point pretty much everybody with direct experience of WW2 is dead. People "remember" it, because they want to remember it (or at least their selective, mythologized version of it), for present-day purposes that have little or nothing to do with the issues at stake in that conflict.
    Granted, Russia isn't the only or even the worst offender in this regard. At least there's a certain connection to WW2 regarding Ukraine because of all that Bandera stuff. The West with its endless succession of new Hitlers to bomb and depose is at least as caught up in an ideologically warped view of reality.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Sean, @songbird, @Beckow

  335. @Mr. Hack
    @sudden death


    Based on the results of the first month of 2024, Russian oil workers reduced the export of gasoline abroad by 37%, the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation reported. Sales of diesel fuel, the largest export of petroleum products, collapsed by 23%.
     
    I would have thought that this bad news for Russian energy exports would have translated into higher prices for Western energy consortium stock prices. but yet they've remained relatively stable. Perhaps these events need more time to filter through the major markets to be reflected in prices? Perhaps the US and Western Europe exist in a special bubble of their own?

    Replies: @sudden death

    Perhaps the US and Western Europe exist in a special bubble of their own?

    Regarding oil products, it seems almost nobody is importing it in very sizable quantities at EU markets these days:

  336. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @German_reader

    Harsher simply means no business breaks - Finland's economy prospered as a neutral Euro country with an easy access to the large Russian market and resources. Why is taking it away 'demented'? They were treated very lightly after WW2 - the Finnish brutality around St.Petersburg was as bad as Germans. They chose to renege on the deal. It is too early, people still remember WW2.

    If you think that nukes will start flying, it is possible, but it won't be over Finland. There are bigger issues at stake.

    Replies: @German_reader

    the Finnish brutality around St.Petersburg was as bad as Germans.

    I don’t think that’s correct. Not sure to what extent Finland was involved in the Leningrad blockade. But iirc they didn’t move beyond a certain line, despite German requests to do so. I doubt they committed all that many war crimes either (unlike Romanians etc.).
    That said, you do have somewhat of a point insofar as Finland chose to join in the German attack on the Soviet Union (to recover its lost territories). It didn’t have to do that.
    Regarding business, sure, that would be a legitimate reaction. But you sounded like you had something else in mind.

    It is too early, people still remember WW2.

    At this point pretty much everybody with direct experience of WW2 is dead. People “remember” it, because they want to remember it (or at least their selective, mythologized version of it), for present-day purposes that have little or nothing to do with the issues at stake in that conflict.
    Granted, Russia isn’t the only or even the worst offender in this regard. At least there’s a certain connection to WW2 regarding Ukraine because of all that Bandera stuff. The West with its endless succession of new Hitlers to bomb and depose is at least as caught up in an ideologically warped view of reality.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @German_reader


    At this point pretty much everybody with direct experience of WW2 is dead.
     
    Not quite. There are still a lot of living WWII veterans right now, though they will almost certainly all be dead in 20 years' time. The youngest ones right now would probably be around 95 or so (Germany drafted men and boys aged 16 to 60 at the end of the war, so 1945 - 16 = 1929, and 2024 - 1929 = 95 years). In 20 years' time, they would be 115+ if still alive, and I don't think that any of them would actually make it that far, especially among the youngest ones. (The last surviving WWI veterans died in 2011 and 2012, all at age 110.)
    , @Sean
    @German_reader

    Finland merely regained their lost territory, they refused to join in the attack om Leningrad.

    , @songbird
    @German_reader


    People “remember” it, because they want to remember it (or at least their selective, mythologized version of it), for present-day purposes that have little or nothing to do with the issues at stake in that conflict
     
    Of course, there is a great deal of politics in it not to be underestimated.

    But there are also other facets of it: in some ways, it is like a disease of modernism and technology. Almost infinite feet of archival film, much involving machines that appeal to the imagination, or cities burning like Troy.

    In fiction or historical dramas, no villain is more PC than a disestablished state.

    In '30s Hollywood, there was a cinematic code, not to depict any group unfavorably. Many films are made with a great deal of government support, and governments don't want to cause diplomatic incidents by making a real country a villain. The US were even afraid of giving Gadaafi ideas, though they had an antagonistic relationship with him.

    For a while, they made up fake countries in Latin America or Arab states, but those have an inescapable racial aspect to it. So they moved to corporations, to individuals, and then more and more to aliens and robots. Current films are very deracinated and even de-personalized.

    There is very little idea of competing peoples or states, unless they be these outdated countries of WW2. If you ask me, it is not very evolutionarily adaptive. One need not demonize to have an idea of competition, but without one, there seems very little prospect of trying to fix existential civilizational problems.
    , @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ... Not sure to what extent Finland was involved in the Leningrad blockade. But iirc they didn’t move beyond a certain line, despite German requests to do so.
     
    About half of it - without Finland the blockade would not be possible. One million people died because of the Finnish assistance to Nazis. Not enough?

    Germans asked for more - they always did and many allies held back, not just Finland. Without the Vyborg buffer zone that Russia took in the 1939 Winter war, St. Petersburg would fall and another 1-2 million Russians would be murdered. The Finnish artillery was literally in St.Petersburg's suburbs.

    It was similar to Ukies bombing civilians in Donbas - Russia demanding a "buffer" is a rational request - if Finns or Ukies don't like it they should refrain from bombing Russian cities on the border.

    everybody with direct experience of WW2 is dead. People “remember” it, because they want to remember it
     
    No, WW2 literally created today's world - everything traces back to 1945: borders, institutions, alliances... People remember WW2 because it matters - nothing like that has happened since.

    you sounded like you had something else in mind.
     
    I am always concerned with peace and business, they go together. I want to deescalate and not make it worse. But it is an uphill struggle, it seems that the sides have hardened and the narratives have become almost insane - the WW2 ones are a good example. It is a tragic miscalculation. It will lead nowhere and the ones rewriting history will only regret it. They won't win - their lies shouldn't win anyway - so they either lose and regret it, or manage to get all of us to lose and then it won't matter.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ

  337. @sudden death
    @Beckow

    They got the merciful treatment, because they fought off the Soviet onslought very stubbornly, competently and continously, thus managed to convey the point into thick skulls about them not being welcomed at all - those who didn't, later got the Soviet colonization and population replacement in their own homelands in addition with schizoeconomy/agriculture;)

    Replies: @Beckow

    Nonsense, they lost the war…at the end Finns begged for mercy and tried to distance themselves from the Nazi side. They were in no position to use their “thick skulls” in 1945.

    Why were Russians merciful towards Finland? They were soviets and commies, believed in the workers’ utopian solidarity – Finland was quite socialist and small, so they accommodated them. Now the deal is off.

  338. @Beckow
    @Gerard1234


    ...This route is via Helsinki and under 12 hours...that length of trip could ONLY be possible via Russian flightpath.
     
    Those are charter flights registered in Armenia, Kazakhastan etc...Finns look the other way because they are smarter then Balts or Ukies.

    The underlying issue in the West is the lack of geographic and historical sense majority of people have - often even smart people. They don't get how it works, they lack the deep historical experience. They replaced it with empty narcissistic self-regard - "China can never make chips, haha...", "Houthis fight with spears...", "Ukies will march on Moscow with Nato superior weapons..."

    It can't really be helped. Most Western minds live in a circuitous world of past myths like "only we defeated the Nazis", misunderstood events like the strange one-sided end to the Cold War, and idiotic projections where everyone else is oppressive, tyrannical, unfree, but any event at home is ok.

    They can't win, they took on the whole world and misunderstand the relative forces. But it looks like is too late to walk back the rhetoric...as always the most crazy ones, usually the secondary allies like the Balts, Ukies, maybe Poles, will pay the highest price. But stupidity has to have a price no matter how sad it is...if not, how would it work?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Derer, @Philip Owen

    On the matter of a lack of historical sense, the Soviet Union’s participation in WW2 began in 1939 with the invasions of Poland, Finland, Estonia, Lativa, Lithuania and Romania. 1941 was merely changing sides (and not out of moral consideration). The Soviet Union was perfectly happy with fascism in 1939. Soviet and Putinist propaganda since then has been a denial of these facts.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Philip Owen

    Yep, AFAIK, Stalin wanted the West and Hitler to bleed each other dry so that the USSR could subsequently enter the war at the very last moment and pick up the spoils and perhaps even sponsor Communist revolutions in some or all of the exhausted countries afterwards.

    Of course, Stalin previously tried making an alliance with the Anglo-French in 1939 but it failed for various reasons, such as Western and Polish distrust of the USSR but also Soviet demands to occupy its neighbors in the event of their neighbors engaging in "indirect aggression" towards the USSR.

    , @Beckow
    @Philip Owen

    Britain's participation in WW2 began in 1938 with the Munich Treaty that handed Czechoslovakia to Nazi Germany. It continued with standing aside and not actually fighting in 1939 when Germany attacked Poland...Britain mostly stood aside until 1943-4 only engaging in limited bombing and some colonial fights in Africa. When it became obvious that Russia was winning the war, Britain took part in the Normandy landing in June 1944 (!) - less than a year before the war ended.

    Russia asked Britain-France to join in the fight against Nazi Germany in 1938-9: they refused so Russia bought two years of peace by signing a Non-aggression Treaty with Germany. They also occupied the large indefensible buffer zone on its western borders (that was until 1918 a part of Russia) - without this buffer zone Russia would have no chance when Nazi Germany invaded - that's why probably Britain objected so much. Occupying this buffer zone saved about 1 million Jews from extermination - instead of being murdered by the Nazis and their local allies, they were evacuated to the east.

    80-90% of the German losses happened on the eastern front. But you know this, you just prefer to act as a moron living in a fantasy world.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP, @Philip Owen

    , @Gerard1234
    @Philip Owen


    On the matter of a lack of historical sense, the Soviet Union’s participation in WW2 began in 1939 with the invasions of Poland, Finland, Estonia, Lativa, Lithuania and Romania.
     
    1. Polish state had ceased o exist as a state during our "participation" in WW2, you dumb 70 year old incel fuckup who has no right to oxygen. Their gutless fascist government had ran away and their military annihilated in quick time already before Soviets entered Poland. Soviets took correct advantage of the only good piece of British diplomacy in history , the Curzon line (well, more or less). Preventative zone established for serious ( and as history proved ,justified) threat of Nazi attack does not classify as "invasion".

    2.Finland Nazis refused Russia offer of exchange of land north of Saint Petersburg for TWICE the amount of land in Karelia ( exchange offered to create safe area from potential Nazi attack on 1 of our top 2 most important cities). Almost certainly rejected because of Nazi and Anglo-elite scum pressure not to do agreement with USSR. Soviet offer of course fully justified from how events then occured......Finnish scum did invade USSR and take part in Siege of Leningrad, Nazis did attack USSR and Leningrad from this direction. Finns unable to honour agreements


    3. Romania was Nazi ally, and oil supplier. There was never any agreement with Soviet Union recognising annexation of Bessarabia by Romania during the Russian civil war during the entire interwar period. So no "invasion" just legally correct action........northern Bukovina was done for fun......and to the great advantage of Ukronazis.

    4. All 3 Baltics were fascist dictatorships who, again, weren't honouring perfectly justified security arrangements with USSR. That they destroyed the parliamentary system, then enabled USSR to recreate it - and subsequently vote for incorporation into USSR (Communist party had all been banned and jailed long before) is their fault.
    Lithuania military was already in Autumn 1939 in land liberated by Soviets from Poland you useless prick, when you idiotically talk about their" invasion". Defensive actions are not "invasions" you POS. These are not acts of conquest.

    5. Isn't it a joke that in our history of getting the very best western talent to come to our country over the centuries......failed, lowlife trash is what we have now. WTF is scum like you doing in Russia? Surely the boy child sex trade is better supplier for a POS like you in Vietnam or the Philippines?

    Replies: @LatW

  339. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    the Finnish brutality around St.Petersburg was as bad as Germans.
     
    I don't think that's correct. Not sure to what extent Finland was involved in the Leningrad blockade. But iirc they didn't move beyond a certain line, despite German requests to do so. I doubt they committed all that many war crimes either (unlike Romanians etc.).
    That said, you do have somewhat of a point insofar as Finland chose to join in the German attack on the Soviet Union (to recover its lost territories). It didn't have to do that.
    Regarding business, sure, that would be a legitimate reaction. But you sounded like you had something else in mind.

    It is too early, people still remember WW2.
     
    At this point pretty much everybody with direct experience of WW2 is dead. People "remember" it, because they want to remember it (or at least their selective, mythologized version of it), for present-day purposes that have little or nothing to do with the issues at stake in that conflict.
    Granted, Russia isn't the only or even the worst offender in this regard. At least there's a certain connection to WW2 regarding Ukraine because of all that Bandera stuff. The West with its endless succession of new Hitlers to bomb and depose is at least as caught up in an ideologically warped view of reality.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Sean, @songbird, @Beckow

    At this point pretty much everybody with direct experience of WW2 is dead.

    Not quite. There are still a lot of living WWII veterans right now, though they will almost certainly all be dead in 20 years’ time. The youngest ones right now would probably be around 95 or so (Germany drafted men and boys aged 16 to 60 at the end of the war, so 1945 – 16 = 1929, and 2024 – 1929 = 95 years). In 20 years’ time, they would be 115+ if still alive, and I don’t think that any of them would actually make it that far, especially among the youngest ones. (The last surviving WWI veterans died in 2011 and 2012, all at age 110.)

  340. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Well it's about time a tech billionaire invested in something worthwhile.

    Much better than space trips for other billionaires or mega yachts that they don't even use.

    Some pretty funny video from the front:


    CAN I GET A RIDE???

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6FJ1Qc4iRc

    NAH

    Replies: @Sean

    He was probably safer on foot although suicide drones are so abundant now they are now being used to target individual soldiers.

  341. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    By repeated mass murder of civilians (shelling Donetsk since 2014, shelling Belgorod not so long ago, very recent shelling of bread-baking plant in Lisichansk) Kiev regime achieved remarkable hardening of the attitude of most Russian residents
     
    And yet you somehow think that Russia has not done worse things and not achieved more hardening of attitudes in places like Kharkiv or Zaporizhia.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC, @Mr. XYZ

    If most of the people from these territories have already fled, can’t Russia do population replacement there with Central Asians and Russians who are looking for cheaper summer properties? Melitopol and Mariupol could, tragically enough, become shining (or less than shining) examples of the new Greater Eurasia.

  342. @LondonBob
    Russian Army ahead of schedule.

    https://johnhelmer.org/breakthrough-on-all-fronts-ahead-of-schedule/

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Philip Owen

    John does great analysis (we sometimes cooperate) but he writes for money too. He seems to receive occassional assignments from well placed senior Russian officials with an outlook that corresponds to the Stavka. For example, his MH17 stories were completely unhinged and clearly designed to head off Russian financial liability at whatever hand for the civilian deaths.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Philip Owen

    After the MH17 incident the Russians made a persuasive case that a Ukrainian Buk missile downed the Boeing 777 aircraft. This case relied on video evidence from the crash site.

    I take it you were not persuaded?

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  343. @Philip Owen
    @Beckow

    On the matter of a lack of historical sense, the Soviet Union's participation in WW2 began in 1939 with the invasions of Poland, Finland, Estonia, Lativa, Lithuania and Romania. 1941 was merely changing sides (and not out of moral consideration). The Soviet Union was perfectly happy with fascism in 1939. Soviet and Putinist propaganda since then has been a denial of these facts.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @Gerard1234

    Yep, AFAIK, Stalin wanted the West and Hitler to bleed each other dry so that the USSR could subsequently enter the war at the very last moment and pick up the spoils and perhaps even sponsor Communist revolutions in some or all of the exhausted countries afterwards.

    Of course, Stalin previously tried making an alliance with the Anglo-French in 1939 but it failed for various reasons, such as Western and Polish distrust of the USSR but also Soviet demands to occupy its neighbors in the event of their neighbors engaging in “indirect aggression” towards the USSR.

  344. @Mr. XYZ
    @sudden death

    One wonders whether an SR-led Russia would have been just as ravenous in its appetite for imperial expansion as both Tsarist Russia and Bolshevik Russia were.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    Kerensky continued the war. So the answer is a clear YES.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Philip Owen

    AFAIK, he did it in order to protect the gains of the Russian Revolution from Germany. He feared that if Russia made peace, then Germany would win in the West and then head back East in order to extinguish the Russian Revolution and re-impose some kind of conservative regime upon Russia.

    Though FWIW, the decision to continue the war would have been the right one for Russia had Russia actually been able to maintain or restore military discipline. After all, a Russia that was building a glorious socialist future (an actual one rather than the illusion that the Bolsheviks created that ended up being a totalitarian tyranny) would benefit from reunifying all Ukrainian and Lithuanian lands as autonomous federal entities within a free and democratic Greater Russia. Galicia's Ukrainian nationalists would have been especially helpful for strengthening Ukrainian nation-building in the rest of the Ukrainian territories, after all.

  345. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    the Finnish brutality around St.Petersburg was as bad as Germans.
     
    I don't think that's correct. Not sure to what extent Finland was involved in the Leningrad blockade. But iirc they didn't move beyond a certain line, despite German requests to do so. I doubt they committed all that many war crimes either (unlike Romanians etc.).
    That said, you do have somewhat of a point insofar as Finland chose to join in the German attack on the Soviet Union (to recover its lost territories). It didn't have to do that.
    Regarding business, sure, that would be a legitimate reaction. But you sounded like you had something else in mind.

    It is too early, people still remember WW2.
     
    At this point pretty much everybody with direct experience of WW2 is dead. People "remember" it, because they want to remember it (or at least their selective, mythologized version of it), for present-day purposes that have little or nothing to do with the issues at stake in that conflict.
    Granted, Russia isn't the only or even the worst offender in this regard. At least there's a certain connection to WW2 regarding Ukraine because of all that Bandera stuff. The West with its endless succession of new Hitlers to bomb and depose is at least as caught up in an ideologically warped view of reality.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Sean, @songbird, @Beckow

    Finland merely regained their lost territory, they refused to join in the attack om Leningrad.

  346. @Philip Owen
    @Mr. XYZ

    Kerensky continued the war. So the answer is a clear YES.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    AFAIK, he did it in order to protect the gains of the Russian Revolution from Germany. He feared that if Russia made peace, then Germany would win in the West and then head back East in order to extinguish the Russian Revolution and re-impose some kind of conservative regime upon Russia.

    Though FWIW, the decision to continue the war would have been the right one for Russia had Russia actually been able to maintain or restore military discipline. After all, a Russia that was building a glorious socialist future (an actual one rather than the illusion that the Bolsheviks created that ended up being a totalitarian tyranny) would benefit from reunifying all Ukrainian and Lithuanian lands as autonomous federal entities within a free and democratic Greater Russia. Galicia’s Ukrainian nationalists would have been especially helpful for strengthening Ukrainian nation-building in the rest of the Ukrainian territories, after all.

  347. @QCIC
    @AP

    Many Russian civilians see the Ukrainian moves against Donbass as aggression against their Russian-speaking cousins and the Russian military response as a direct reaction to that aggression. From this perspective the Ukrainian leaders had a choice while the Russian leaders did not, simple action and reaction. The fact that there is an imaginary line dividing the two areas does not change the history that these regions and peoples were part of a unified state within living memory and going back a long time.

    As far as the Russian fighting creating hardening and animosity of Ukrainian citizens, that is a cost Russia accepted at the beginning of the SMO. Did the Ukrainian cheerleaders accept in 2014 that they were embarking on a path which would likely get the country destroyed? Is that what you and Hack were hoping for?

    Of course this risk is less obvious if you pretend the cold war didn't happen and ignore that Russia was still in a tense nuclear relationship with the West. Or you chose to ignore that NATO expansion to the East was an extreme provocation made worse by the US basing missiles in Eastern Europe. These are the context for Maidan and Ukrainian shelling of Russian speakers in historically Russian areas.

    Don't get mad at me for pointing this out again. Be disappointed with yourself for believing liars from Washington and Kiev. All of the other important details pointed out by you and other pro-Ukrainians or the anti-Russian crowd do nothing to change the fundamentals. They add color and life to the story but do not change the basics of the situation. This is a Western-sponsored aggression against Russia and no good can come of it for Ukraine. If Ukrainians had been wise this would not have happened. The West did not pressure Ukraine into this madness, your people enthusiastically volunteered.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    From this perspective the Ukrainian leaders had a choice while the Russian leaders did not, simple action and reaction. The fact that there is an imaginary line dividing the two areas does not change the history that these regions and peoples were part of a unified state within living memory and going back a long time.

    You are saying the failed attempt at taking Kiev was required to protect DPR/LPR?

    What then is the justification for the Russian occupation of two oblasts that did not have separatists and voted for Zelensky?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    What then is the justification for the Russian occupation of two oblasts that did not have separatists and voted for Zelensky?

     

    Securing Crimea's water supply and also securing a land route to Crimea? The Crimean Corridor is Russia's equivalent of the Polish Corridor, with Crimea being Russia's version of East Prussia and the Donbass being Russia's version of Danzig.
    , @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    My comment discusses the overall perspective of the conflict and not the details of the SMO. I don't have any background to second guess the Russian military leadership nor do I have enough information to understand what is really happening on the ground. Once the Russian commitment was made to fight the West in Ukraine there are too many combat details for amateur observers to sort out. Focussing on the big picture is a better use of mental energy.

    I think the early move on Kiev was mostly a feint and maybe also a last ditch warning to Ukrainian leaders. It was well known that Kiev was heavily armed and highly motivated against Russia, so I don't believe Russian military leaders expected a cakewalk, despite any claims otherwise. After all, if it is a feint, they will say whatever is required to sell the fiction. Nonetheless, you are convinced it was a serious attack despite having way too small a force to have any chance of success. Therefore it was a successful feint. I do not know if the tactical result desired for the feint was achieved. Since Russia seems to be pursuing this SMO on her own terms the feint was either successful, or if not, the serious losses were not insurmountable.

    , @Derer
    @John Johnson


    What then is the justification for the Russian occupation of two oblasts that did not have separatists and voted for Zelensky?
     
    Who counted the vote in Ukraine? Those experts were hired by the DNC in 2020 election that counted record votes for geriatric Biden, more than actually registered. Are you always so gullible?

    Wisdom from a smart leader:"It’s not the people who vote that count. It’s the people who count the votes."
  348. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    From this perspective the Ukrainian leaders had a choice while the Russian leaders did not, simple action and reaction. The fact that there is an imaginary line dividing the two areas does not change the history that these regions and peoples were part of a unified state within living memory and going back a long time.

    You are saying the failed attempt at taking Kiev was required to protect DPR/LPR?

    What then is the justification for the Russian occupation of two oblasts that did not have separatists and voted for Zelensky?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Derer

    What then is the justification for the Russian occupation of two oblasts that did not have separatists and voted for Zelensky?

    Securing Crimea’s water supply and also securing a land route to Crimea? The Crimean Corridor is Russia’s equivalent of the Polish Corridor, with Crimea being Russia’s version of East Prussia and the Donbass being Russia’s version of Danzig.

    • Agree: A123
  349. @Philip Owen
    @LondonBob

    John does great analysis (we sometimes cooperate) but he writes for money too. He seems to receive occassional assignments from well placed senior Russian officials with an outlook that corresponds to the Stavka. For example, his MH17 stories were completely unhinged and clearly designed to head off Russian financial liability at whatever hand for the civilian deaths.

    Replies: @QCIC

    After the MH17 incident the Russians made a persuasive case that a Ukrainian Buk missile downed the Boeing 777 aircraft. This case relied on video evidence from the crash site.

    I take it you were not persuaded?

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @QCIC

    John was promoting the idea that MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet. All part of deliberate confusion.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC

  350. @QCIC
    @Philip Owen

    After the MH17 incident the Russians made a persuasive case that a Ukrainian Buk missile downed the Boeing 777 aircraft. This case relied on video evidence from the crash site.

    I take it you were not persuaded?

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    John was promoting the idea that MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet. All part of deliberate confusion.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Philip Owen


    John was promoting the idea that MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet.
     
    Care to explain why Ukies “suicided” the guy who piloted their jet in the area at the time of MH17 disaster? Or why the route of this flight was changed so much compared to its usual route that never went over Donbass? Or why Ukies claimed that they have no dispatcher records for that time? Or why nobody saw a characteristic black smoke that Buk missile always generates? Or why so few characteristic for Buk striking elements were found in the bodies and parts of the plane? Buk missile produces thousands of them. Or why MH17 pilots were told by Ukie dispatchers to reduce altitude right before it was hit? Or why Kerry promised satellite images of the area even before the bodies cooled down, but the US never produced them in almost ten years? One can ask many more questions, but try answering these ones.

    Replies: @AP

    , @QCIC
    @Philip Owen

    I'm sure there was confusion. The Russians ultimately made a persuasive case that a Buk missile of an older type used by Ukraine produces a shrapnel pattern readily visible in pictures of the front of the plane wreckage.

    One early claim was that a Ukie Su-25 shot down the flight. This held up long enough for someone to point out the Su-25 ground attack aircraft does not fly high enough. Then the plane was an Su-27, maybe with an Israeli missile; oops, none in the area. Finally it was a Buk, but from which side? The Russian information combined with the other points mentioned by AnonfromTN makes it likely the missile came from the Ukrainian side.

    The shocking overall troubles of Malaysia Airlines are a topic for a more "free range" group than Unz.

  351. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    You’ve gone on before about how you dislike Shevchenko and his poetry,
     
    For about 99.99% of Ukrops Shevchenko is not their favourite poet . You think ukrops believe Shevchenko is anywhere near Pushkin in quality? Russian poets and writers directly connect to their mentality, "soul", culture. No sane person thinks these great Russian writers were "imposed" on them

    Shevchenko and his poetry, a real telltale giveaway that you’re Ukrainophobic.
     
    Shevchenko was Ukrainophobic.......its absolutely clear in his writings that he did not consider Galician retards as the same people as him i.e Uniates not "Ukrainian", and that the geographic cossack land is from the Dniester to the Dnieper (or the Don, can't remember). Maybe the so-called folk saying of "Ukraine is from the San to the Don" is another piece of ukronazi fakism designed to coverup what was the actual belief at the time?
    Clear that if you filter through all the schizophrenic, contradictory stuff ( typical for "Ukrainianism" ) that Shevchenko did consider himself Russian.

    All this is hilarious because in Ukrainian "culture", Lesya "Ukrainka" is from Rusyn heritage and either Russian or something else on her fathers side - and her mother is supposed to have been a wakjob from a Russian speaking family and with a Russian speaking husband........imposing strict fake mova-only rules on her children , "Vovchuk"- a Russian (WTF is it with these fake names?) , Gogol -considered himself Russian and wrote only in Russian, Franko was Rusyn and something else....zero Ukronazi blood in him, Bulgakov- LOL. There's others also. None of them actually true"Ukrainian"- the closest being Gogol. With the exception of Franko all all them from the Tsarist side of what is now "Ukraine" - which is very indicative itself. Shevchenko did this from serfdom, i.e he is entire creation of Russian elite that bought him out from serfdom, further educated him, promoted him, paid him, printed him etc. As far as I know Shevchenko never even went to Galicia or Volynia

    What's more important is that in this era, ALL of them would be on Mirotvorets list.

    Historical myth of khokholism is descended from RUSSIAN Tsarist liberasts of the time historians as Milyukov, Klyuchevsky, Kostomarov and several others. Grushevsky only turned this nonsense into total pseudoscience later on with Austrian money. Main ukrop idealist "nationalist" is a freak with the "typical" Ukrainian name of........Dmitry Dontsov ,ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!

    The biggest Ukrainophiles.....were the Communists. All these writers I mentioned, ALL only became of part mass "Ukrainian" national consciousness ONLY because of the Bolsheviks who mass promoted them. Writers were promoted for perceived victim of Tsarist repression and particularly for most of them as Franko and Ukrainka........because of perceived Communist ideology. Ukronazi linkage only became a byproduct of the socialist ideals or anti-tsarism.
    Shevchenko is now solely an anti-Russian, not pro-Ukraine project. This is very appropriate as there is no existant thing as "pro-Ukraine", the entire state, the entire thing is an anti-Russia freakshow.

    Liberast, bored Russians were the genesis of "Ukrainianism", Hapsburg and polish dickheads were the ignition of it.........and Communists were the fuel, and the glue of Ukrainianism. The drug addict (((Zelensky))) and his accompanying gang of scum are the jagged-edge dildo of Ukrainianism.

    Who the Ukrainaphobes are though is clear........its the nutjob self-loathing, acting homo all day in the kriyivka without taking a bath-Ukrainian "nationalist" who is Ukrainophobe. LOL. They always required the ukrop idea to be about peasant civilisation, village mentality with preserved slavic traditions.......this though make them self-conscious about thinking how simple and stupid they are, and is completely incompatible with their delusions of grandeur of part of "great European civilisation" with Michelangelo, Shakespeare, Kant, da Vinci etc. So simultaneously they despise Ukrainian "culture" but promote it. Communists of course were so interlocked with promoting the peasant civilisation in Malrossiya across the centuries - so they hate Communists FOR their promotion of ukrainian national identity!!

    All so ridiculous. I suspect the great film Wedding at Malinovka is banned from being shown in 404 by the Ukronazis since 2014 - precisely because of the issues I mentioned in the previous paragraph. If not officially banned I would guess that unofficially they refuse to show it, and other Soviet films of that type.


    Black Hundreds, that were known for burning down Ukrainian libraries and cultural centers:
     
    Over-exaggerated drivel, Hack. Facts are that large majority of "Ukrainians" rejected the idea of any Ukraine - partly also explains one of the reasons Petliura lasted about 3 seconds in Kiev before thrown out.

    Across the large Russian world there are going to be varying cultural aspects......but absolutely none of them merit classification into different people or culture. Most of those small cultural difference in song, dress, food or whatever became so mixed into Russian world - even as far as the Arctic and Far East there is ukrop cultural influence - that it's impossible to separate into 2 different peoples. India has several different language, and the women in the north were their one-piece dress draped in a different direction to those from the South, different religions across it.......but its still clear to everyone that these are all Indian people and shouldn't be living in different nations. Texans are extremely different to New Yorkers in how they act and mentality, food specialities too probably.........but they clearly part of same nation. Russians and even the biggest difference in Ukrainian culture are a million times LESS than those in India or the Texas-New York thing I mentioned.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Philip Owen

    Vladimir Suzdal (Moscow was yet to come) had clearly seperated from Kievean Rus by the Sack of Kiev in 1169, a far larger event than the later Mongol sacking of the barely recovered city. Ukrainian history then took a Western path. So all the above is Great Russian chauvanism mostly due to Nicholoas I and successor Eurasians.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  352. @Philip Owen
    @QCIC

    John was promoting the idea that MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet. All part of deliberate confusion.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC

    John was promoting the idea that MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet.

    Care to explain why Ukies “suicided” the guy who piloted their jet in the area at the time of MH17 disaster? Or why the route of this flight was changed so much compared to its usual route that never went over Donbass? Or why Ukies claimed that they have no dispatcher records for that time? Or why nobody saw a characteristic black smoke that Buk missile always generates? Or why so few characteristic for Buk striking elements were found in the bodies and parts of the plane? Buk missile produces thousands of them. Or why MH17 pilots were told by Ukie dispatchers to reduce altitude right before it was hit? Or why Kerry promised satellite images of the area even before the bodies cooled down, but the US never produced them in almost ten years? One can ask many more questions, but try answering these ones.

    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Care to explain why Ukies “suicided” the guy who piloted their jet in the area at the time of MH17 disaster? Or why the route of this flight was changed so much compared to its usual route that never went over Donbass? Or why Ukies claimed that they have no dispatcher records for that time?
     
    Or why Ukraine did not manage to build a single metro station in Kiev after 1991?

    You ae full of silly and ignorant fantasies.
  353. “Who are the neocons? Do the neocons even exist?” protests the neocon, while he spams every thread with videos of enemies getting killed by bombs and missiles and not realizing that if people like him didn’t exist and weren’t so numerous in DC nobody would continue talking about the neocons. Just like nobody talks about the yuppies or the Maoists anymore.

    Btw, for every video he posts one could go to colonelcassad or Alex Parker and find a couple where it is the good guys who are getting pulverized. Thankfully, nobody has taken the bait and started a military porn battle here. He must think he’s “winning”.

  354. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    From this perspective the Ukrainian leaders had a choice while the Russian leaders did not, simple action and reaction. The fact that there is an imaginary line dividing the two areas does not change the history that these regions and peoples were part of a unified state within living memory and going back a long time.

    You are saying the failed attempt at taking Kiev was required to protect DPR/LPR?

    What then is the justification for the Russian occupation of two oblasts that did not have separatists and voted for Zelensky?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Derer

    My comment discusses the overall perspective of the conflict and not the details of the SMO. I don’t have any background to second guess the Russian military leadership nor do I have enough information to understand what is really happening on the ground. Once the Russian commitment was made to fight the West in Ukraine there are too many combat details for amateur observers to sort out. Focussing on the big picture is a better use of mental energy.

    I think the early move on Kiev was mostly a feint and maybe also a last ditch warning to Ukrainian leaders. It was well known that Kiev was heavily armed and highly motivated against Russia, so I don’t believe Russian military leaders expected a cakewalk, despite any claims otherwise. After all, if it is a feint, they will say whatever is required to sell the fiction. Nonetheless, you are convinced it was a serious attack despite having way too small a force to have any chance of success. Therefore it was a successful feint. I do not know if the tactical result desired for the feint was achieved. Since Russia seems to be pursuing this SMO on her own terms the feint was either successful, or if not, the serious losses were not insurmountable.

  355. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    the Finnish brutality around St.Petersburg was as bad as Germans.
     
    I don't think that's correct. Not sure to what extent Finland was involved in the Leningrad blockade. But iirc they didn't move beyond a certain line, despite German requests to do so. I doubt they committed all that many war crimes either (unlike Romanians etc.).
    That said, you do have somewhat of a point insofar as Finland chose to join in the German attack on the Soviet Union (to recover its lost territories). It didn't have to do that.
    Regarding business, sure, that would be a legitimate reaction. But you sounded like you had something else in mind.

    It is too early, people still remember WW2.
     
    At this point pretty much everybody with direct experience of WW2 is dead. People "remember" it, because they want to remember it (or at least their selective, mythologized version of it), for present-day purposes that have little or nothing to do with the issues at stake in that conflict.
    Granted, Russia isn't the only or even the worst offender in this regard. At least there's a certain connection to WW2 regarding Ukraine because of all that Bandera stuff. The West with its endless succession of new Hitlers to bomb and depose is at least as caught up in an ideologically warped view of reality.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Sean, @songbird, @Beckow

    People “remember” it, because they want to remember it (or at least their selective, mythologized version of it), for present-day purposes that have little or nothing to do with the issues at stake in that conflict

    Of course, there is a great deal of politics in it not to be underestimated.

    But there are also other facets of it: in some ways, it is like a disease of modernism and technology. Almost infinite feet of archival film, much involving machines that appeal to the imagination, or cities burning like Troy.

    In fiction or historical dramas, no villain is more PC than a disestablished state.

    In ’30s Hollywood, there was a cinematic code, not to depict any group unfavorably. Many films are made with a great deal of government support, and governments don’t want to cause diplomatic incidents by making a real country a villain. The US were even afraid of giving Gadaafi ideas, though they had an antagonistic relationship with him.

    For a while, they made up fake countries in Latin America or Arab states, but those have an inescapable racial aspect to it. So they moved to corporations, to individuals, and then more and more to aliens and robots. Current films are very deracinated and even de-personalized.

    There is very little idea of competing peoples or states, unless they be these outdated countries of WW2. If you ask me, it is not very evolutionarily adaptive. One need not demonize to have an idea of competition, but without one, there seems very little prospect of trying to fix existential civilizational problems.

  356. @Philip Owen
    @Beckow

    On the matter of a lack of historical sense, the Soviet Union's participation in WW2 began in 1939 with the invasions of Poland, Finland, Estonia, Lativa, Lithuania and Romania. 1941 was merely changing sides (and not out of moral consideration). The Soviet Union was perfectly happy with fascism in 1939. Soviet and Putinist propaganda since then has been a denial of these facts.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @Gerard1234

    Britain’s participation in WW2 began in 1938 with the Munich Treaty that handed Czechoslovakia to Nazi Germany. It continued with standing aside and not actually fighting in 1939 when Germany attacked Poland…Britain mostly stood aside until 1943-4 only engaging in limited bombing and some colonial fights in Africa. When it became obvious that Russia was winning the war, Britain took part in the Normandy landing in June 1944 (!) – less than a year before the war ended.

    Russia asked Britain-France to join in the fight against Nazi Germany in 1938-9: they refused so Russia bought two years of peace by signing a Non-aggression Treaty with Germany. They also occupied the large indefensible buffer zone on its western borders (that was until 1918 a part of Russia) – without this buffer zone Russia would have no chance when Nazi Germany invaded – that’s why probably Britain objected so much. Occupying this buffer zone saved about 1 million Jews from extermination – instead of being murdered by the Nazis and their local allies, they were evacuated to the east.

    80-90% of the German losses happened on the eastern front. But you know this, you just prefer to act as a moron living in a fantasy world.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    Russia asked Britain-France to join in the fight against Nazi Germany in 1938-9: they refused so Russia bought two years of peace by signing a Non-aggression Treaty with Germany. They also occupied the large indefensible buffer zone on its western borders (that was until 1918 a part of Russia) – without this large buffer zone Russia had no chance when Nazi Germany invaded. Occupying this buffer zone saved about 1 million Jews from extermination – instead of being murdered by Nazis and their local allies, they were evacuated to the east.
     
    TBF, the USSR bears partial blame for the failure of the 1939 talks for insisting on the right to occupy its neighbors if its neighbors will engage in "indirect aggression" towards the USSR, such as signing trade agreements with Nazi Germany. The Anglo-French feared, quite rightly, that the USSR would use this as an excuse to conquer the Baltic countries and subsequently refuse to withdraw from there. Granted, I'd argue that a Soviet alliance was still in Anglo-French interests back then, but this fact combined with the Soviet Union's mass murder and mass deaths due to starvation, both in the 1930s, made the Soviet Union a rather distasteful potential ally for the West.

    The USSR's expansion to the Curzon Line in 1939 indeed helped save a lot of Soviet Jews from extermination by giving them more time to evacuate eastwards. However, relatively few of those evacuated Jews came from the USSR's newly conquered 1939-1940 territories. In these territories, with the exception of parts of Estonia and Moldova, there generally simply wasn't enough time for mass evacuations. Stalin should have done mass deportations of Jews from these areas prior to Operation Barbarossa instead. But he wasn't worried about saving Jewish lives and didn't even know for sure that Operation Barbarossa was actually going to happen ahead of time--and, if so, when exactly it would happen.

    Interestingly enough, before October 7, some right-wing Jewish jackasses in Israel wanted to prohibit the grandchildren of the male Jews who were evacuated to the Soviet interior during WWII and subsequently intermarried with gentiles from immigrating to Israel. That's what the push to repeal the Grandchild Clause of Israel's Law of Return was all about. But thankfully October 7 shut them up, hopefully for a very, very long time. It's just very sad that it required such an extraordinarily massive, bloody, and brutal terrorist attack to shut them up in regards to this.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    They also occupied the large indefensible buffer zone on its western borders (that was until 1918 a part of Russia) – without this buffer zone Russia would have no chance when Nazi Germany invaded ...80-90% of the German losses happened on the eastern front
     
    And without the 10%-20% losses on the Western front, and without the Western aid to the USSR - USSR would have lost the war.

    And of course you as usual fail to differentiate USSR from Russia. The distinction is important, because mixing the two leads to confusion. The USSR defeated Germany in World War II. Russia alone did not. Russia alone would not have had a chance.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Philip Owen
    @Beckow

    Britain had no army or airforce in 1938. Stalin, who did have a large army, was playing games or delusional. Britain successfully blockaded German ports from the first of the war onwards. Only the overland route through Iran and Russia kept Germany able to fight as vehicles and planes couldn't be made without rubber. The SU was happy to smuggle it and provide much more from its own resources.

    Vladimir Suzdal decided Ukraine was not part of their Russia in 1169. Kyiv was sacked for 3 days (foreigners) not one (yourown people). It hasn't been the same country since then.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow, @LatW, @Gerard1234

  357. My comment discusses the overall perspective of the conflict and not the details of the SMO. I don’t have any background to second guess the Russian military leadership nor do I have enough information to understand what is really happening on the ground.

    Well you confidently told us why they were occupying Ukrainian land.

    Are you saying you are unaware that they are occupying two oblasts that did not have Russian separatists? Or are you contending that two occupied oblasts voted for Zelensky and were not part of LPR/DPR separatism?

    I think the early move on Kiev was mostly a feint and maybe also a last ditch warning to Ukrainian leaders.

    You are going on record as Putin trying to take an airport near Kiev with over 200 attack helicopters was a fake?

    So you think he would not have taken the entire country if he was able to secure the government?

    Nonetheless, you are convinced it was a serious attack despite having way too small a force to have any chance of success.

    A 40 mile column of tanks and supply trucks is a serious attack.

    What else would you call it? An unserious attack?

    So you will go on record as the attack being part of a grand feint? Putin did not actually plan to take the entire country with a 40 mile column of tanks and supply trucks? You will sign your name to that? You believe he intended to take the 40 mile column to Kiev and then what?

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ, Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Sure, I think the feint theory makes more sense than the notion Russian military leaders are childish idiots. I realize the Russians committed a lot of men to the feint and lost heavily. I also realize that mistakes have been made throughout the SMO as in many wars. The fact that many of the ground troops in the column were so poorly prepared strongly suggests the Russians were rushed. Rushed as in they viewed it as an emergency. That would be consistent with committing the many helicopters and seasoned professional troops to attempt to take the airport. Apparently this had to be done and what was lost, as valuable as those men were, was worth what was accomplished by the feint. That speaks to one of my points: we do not know. Assuming they are idiots because you don't like them doesn't fit with other information we have that there are many competent professionals in the Russian military. If something they did doesn't make sense to me, so what?

    Fake and feint are not the same thing. Feint is what you do when you are in a weak position and want to change the situation.

    If you want me to speculate, I think the Russians needed to break up a sneak attack on Crimea. The feint on Kiev was part of how they accomplished this task. Early on a sneak attack on Crimea might have been temporarily successful. I can imagine NATO could have talked Ukraine into such a plan.

    I don't have much to say about the specifics of Ukrainian territory because I view the conflict as the West (US plus NATO) versus Russia. Ukraine is a pawn of the West, making this a proxy war. Ukraine will lose whatever territory Russia believes it needs to control to prevent this Western attack from happening again. I'm sure Russia has other goals of contracting NATO and removing USA missile bases in Eastern Europe. Since Russia knows the West will not negotiate in good faith, everything for the foreseeable future may boil down to raw force. The more this drags on the more likely it seems that all of Ukraine will be lost, if only to send an important message to the West.

    Great job, morons.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @A123
    @John Johnson


    Putin did not actually plan to take the entire country with a 40 mile column of tanks and supply trucks?
     
    Do you have access to TOP SECRET Kremlin records, PROVING that the goal with this single convoy was "taking the entire country?

    If not, then as external observers without access to the Kremlin internal documents are left with an array of possibilities:

    -1- Hunt to capture or kill Zelensky, and additional senior leaders
    -2- Intimidation seeking capitulation by the Kiev regime
    -3- Set up for a siege
    -4- An effort to seize Kiev by force
    -5- A feint away from other fronts
    -6- Other(s)?

    Despite you hyper fanatical over commitment, #4 remains the least plausible explanation. Conventional doctrine suggests that infantry would require 350-500K. The SMO never had such strength, especially on a single point.

    #3 IMHO seeks the most likely. However, logistics problems thru Belarus scrubbed the idea. As I openly admit I do not have TOP SECRET documents, I am concede other scenarios #1, #2, #5 or #6, not listed, may actually be the case.

    Do you want to PROVE that #4 is the top secret, internal celebration of senior Russian leadership? If so, you have to present something directly on point that explicitly reveals those deliberations in Moscow.

    Pictures, TikToks, and anecdotes are propaganda -- not facts.

    PEACE 😇
  358. @Beckow
    @Philip Owen

    Britain's participation in WW2 began in 1938 with the Munich Treaty that handed Czechoslovakia to Nazi Germany. It continued with standing aside and not actually fighting in 1939 when Germany attacked Poland...Britain mostly stood aside until 1943-4 only engaging in limited bombing and some colonial fights in Africa. When it became obvious that Russia was winning the war, Britain took part in the Normandy landing in June 1944 (!) - less than a year before the war ended.

    Russia asked Britain-France to join in the fight against Nazi Germany in 1938-9: they refused so Russia bought two years of peace by signing a Non-aggression Treaty with Germany. They also occupied the large indefensible buffer zone on its western borders (that was until 1918 a part of Russia) - without this buffer zone Russia would have no chance when Nazi Germany invaded - that's why probably Britain objected so much. Occupying this buffer zone saved about 1 million Jews from extermination - instead of being murdered by the Nazis and their local allies, they were evacuated to the east.

    80-90% of the German losses happened on the eastern front. But you know this, you just prefer to act as a moron living in a fantasy world.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP, @Philip Owen

    Russia asked Britain-France to join in the fight against Nazi Germany in 1938-9: they refused so Russia bought two years of peace by signing a Non-aggression Treaty with Germany. They also occupied the large indefensible buffer zone on its western borders (that was until 1918 a part of Russia) – without this large buffer zone Russia had no chance when Nazi Germany invaded. Occupying this buffer zone saved about 1 million Jews from extermination – instead of being murdered by Nazis and their local allies, they were evacuated to the east.

    TBF, the USSR bears partial blame for the failure of the 1939 talks for insisting on the right to occupy its neighbors if its neighbors will engage in “indirect aggression” towards the USSR, such as signing trade agreements with Nazi Germany. The Anglo-French feared, quite rightly, that the USSR would use this as an excuse to conquer the Baltic countries and subsequently refuse to withdraw from there. Granted, I’d argue that a Soviet alliance was still in Anglo-French interests back then, but this fact combined with the Soviet Union’s mass murder and mass deaths due to starvation, both in the 1930s, made the Soviet Union a rather distasteful potential ally for the West.

    The USSR’s expansion to the Curzon Line in 1939 indeed helped save a lot of Soviet Jews from extermination by giving them more time to evacuate eastwards. However, relatively few of those evacuated Jews came from the USSR’s newly conquered 1939-1940 territories. In these territories, with the exception of parts of Estonia and Moldova, there generally simply wasn’t enough time for mass evacuations. Stalin should have done mass deportations of Jews from these areas prior to Operation Barbarossa instead. But he wasn’t worried about saving Jewish lives and didn’t even know for sure that Operation Barbarossa was actually going to happen ahead of time–and, if so, when exactly it would happen.

    Interestingly enough, before October 7, some right-wing Jewish jackasses in Israel wanted to prohibit the grandchildren of the male Jews who were evacuated to the Soviet interior during WWII and subsequently intermarried with gentiles from immigrating to Israel. That’s what the push to repeal the Grandchild Clause of Israel’s Law of Return was all about. But thankfully October 7 shut them up, hopefully for a very, very long time. It’s just very sad that it required such an extraordinarily massive, bloody, and brutal terrorist attack to shut them up in regards to this.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    mass murder and mass deaths due to starvation, both in the 1930s, made the Soviet Union a rather distasteful potential ally for the West.
     
    Britain and France were murderous colonial powers that caused mass deaths and starvation on a much larger scale: British empire had 100 to 200 million victims (yes, it has been documented). Russian could had distaste for that too...Churchill was an infamous bomber and murderer.

    When Britain and France refused, Russia best option was to sign the Non-aggression Treaty with Germany - the only card they had to play. By the way, Japan attacked Russia in August 1939 in the Far East and was defeated. Because of the M-R Treaty, Japan never felt confident to try again - they didn't trust Germany. That also decided the war, imagine Japan invading with Germany in 1941.

    I suspect a lot of this belly-aching about the M-R Treaty and Russia's necessary self-serving behavior is a regret that Russia won the war. People can't come out and openly say it, so they talk about how Russia won. The M-R Treaty was a very big part of why and how Russia won so they lie about it.

    The morons like Philip Owen and his British twit brigade should be more honest and say: we wish that Russia lost WW2 - and Germany won. With all the consequences. (They are a bunch of loser-assh..les, I hope you are not one of them.)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  359. @Philip Owen
    @QCIC

    John was promoting the idea that MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet. All part of deliberate confusion.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @QCIC

    I’m sure there was confusion. The Russians ultimately made a persuasive case that a Buk missile of an older type used by Ukraine produces a shrapnel pattern readily visible in pictures of the front of the plane wreckage.

    One early claim was that a Ukie Su-25 shot down the flight. This held up long enough for someone to point out the Su-25 ground attack aircraft does not fly high enough. Then the plane was an Su-27, maybe with an Israeli missile; oops, none in the area. Finally it was a Buk, but from which side? The Russian information combined with the other points mentioned by AnonfromTN makes it likely the missile came from the Ukrainian side.

    The shocking overall troubles of Malaysia Airlines are a topic for a more “free range” group than Unz.

  360. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    the Finnish brutality around St.Petersburg was as bad as Germans.
     
    I don't think that's correct. Not sure to what extent Finland was involved in the Leningrad blockade. But iirc they didn't move beyond a certain line, despite German requests to do so. I doubt they committed all that many war crimes either (unlike Romanians etc.).
    That said, you do have somewhat of a point insofar as Finland chose to join in the German attack on the Soviet Union (to recover its lost territories). It didn't have to do that.
    Regarding business, sure, that would be a legitimate reaction. But you sounded like you had something else in mind.

    It is too early, people still remember WW2.
     
    At this point pretty much everybody with direct experience of WW2 is dead. People "remember" it, because they want to remember it (or at least their selective, mythologized version of it), for present-day purposes that have little or nothing to do with the issues at stake in that conflict.
    Granted, Russia isn't the only or even the worst offender in this regard. At least there's a certain connection to WW2 regarding Ukraine because of all that Bandera stuff. The West with its endless succession of new Hitlers to bomb and depose is at least as caught up in an ideologically warped view of reality.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Sean, @songbird, @Beckow

    … Not sure to what extent Finland was involved in the Leningrad blockade. But iirc they didn’t move beyond a certain line, despite German requests to do so.

    About half of it – without Finland the blockade would not be possible. One million people died because of the Finnish assistance to Nazis. Not enough?

    Germans asked for more – they always did and many allies held back, not just Finland. Without the Vyborg buffer zone that Russia took in the 1939 Winter war, St. Petersburg would fall and another 1-2 million Russians would be murdered. The Finnish artillery was literally in St.Petersburg’s suburbs.

    It was similar to Ukies bombing civilians in Donbas – Russia demanding a “buffer” is a rational request – if Finns or Ukies don’t like it they should refrain from bombing Russian cities on the border.

    everybody with direct experience of WW2 is dead. People “remember” it, because they want to remember it

    No, WW2 literally created today’s world – everything traces back to 1945: borders, institutions, alliances… People remember WW2 because it matters – nothing like that has happened since.

    you sounded like you had something else in mind.

    I am always concerned with peace and business, they go together. I want to deescalate and not make it worse. But it is an uphill struggle, it seems that the sides have hardened and the narratives have become almost insane – the WW2 ones are a good example. It is a tragic miscalculation. It will lead nowhere and the ones rewriting history will only regret it. They won’t win – their lies shouldn’t win anyway – so they either lose and regret it, or manage to get all of us to lose and then it won’t matter.

    • Agree: Gerard1234
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow

    Simple argument is, if WW2 were so unimportant today, Western propaganda wouldn’t lie about it so much.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    Germans asked for more – they always did and many allies held back, not just Finland. Without the Vyborg buffer zone that Russia took in the 1939 Winter war, St. Petersburg would fall and another 1-2 million Russians would be murdered. The Finnish artillery was literally in St.Petersburg’s suburbs.
     
    Had the USSR not attacked Finland in 1939, it's not obvious that Finland would have gone to war against the USSR in 1941. Turkey didn't, after all, likely because Stalin did not make any territorial demands upon Turkey back then, unlike after the war, when his territorial demands caused Turkey to seek NATO membership (sound familiar?).

    Replies: @Beckow

  361. @John Johnson
    My comment discusses the overall perspective of the conflict and not the details of the SMO. I don’t have any background to second guess the Russian military leadership nor do I have enough information to understand what is really happening on the ground.

    Well you confidently told us why they were occupying Ukrainian land.

    Are you saying you are unaware that they are occupying two oblasts that did not have Russian separatists? Or are you contending that two occupied oblasts voted for Zelensky and were not part of LPR/DPR separatism?

    I think the early move on Kiev was mostly a feint and maybe also a last ditch warning to Ukrainian leaders.

    You are going on record as Putin trying to take an airport near Kiev with over 200 attack helicopters was a fake?

    So you think he would not have taken the entire country if he was able to secure the government?

    Nonetheless, you are convinced it was a serious attack despite having way too small a force to have any chance of success.

    A 40 mile column of tanks and supply trucks is a serious attack.

    What else would you call it? An unserious attack?
    https://youtu.be/HacwWyTRPNY?t=22

    So you will go on record as the attack being part of a grand feint? Putin did not actually plan to take the entire country with a 40 mile column of tanks and supply trucks? You will sign your name to that? You believe he intended to take the 40 mile column to Kiev and then what?

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123

    Sure, I think the feint theory makes more sense than the notion Russian military leaders are childish idiots. I realize the Russians committed a lot of men to the feint and lost heavily. I also realize that mistakes have been made throughout the SMO as in many wars. The fact that many of the ground troops in the column were so poorly prepared strongly suggests the Russians were rushed. Rushed as in they viewed it as an emergency. That would be consistent with committing the many helicopters and seasoned professional troops to attempt to take the airport. Apparently this had to be done and what was lost, as valuable as those men were, was worth what was accomplished by the feint. That speaks to one of my points: we do not know. Assuming they are idiots because you don’t like them doesn’t fit with other information we have that there are many competent professionals in the Russian military. If something they did doesn’t make sense to me, so what?

    Fake and feint are not the same thing. Feint is what you do when you are in a weak position and want to change the situation.

    If you want me to speculate, I think the Russians needed to break up a sneak attack on Crimea. The feint on Kiev was part of how they accomplished this task. Early on a sneak attack on Crimea might have been temporarily successful. I can imagine NATO could have talked Ukraine into such a plan.

    I don’t have much to say about the specifics of Ukrainian territory because I view the conflict as the West (US plus NATO) versus Russia. Ukraine is a pawn of the West, making this a proxy war. Ukraine will lose whatever territory Russia believes it needs to control to prevent this Western attack from happening again. I’m sure Russia has other goals of contracting NATO and removing USA missile bases in Eastern Europe. Since Russia knows the West will not negotiate in good faith, everything for the foreseeable future may boil down to raw force. The more this drags on the more likely it seems that all of Ukraine will be lost, if only to send an important message to the West.

    Great job, morons.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Sure, I think the feint theory makes more sense than the notion Russian military leaders are childish idiots.

    So when you see armored columns bunched together that exemplifies Russian military leadership to you? Have a look at this recent video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DoPLVitqv0

    You do realize those vehicles are close enough to where an artillery shell can take out multiple vehicles? Spreading out vehicles to minimize artillery damage is a strategy that pre-dates WW1.

    They are in fact ignoring lessons that were used by Napolean.

    Rushed as in they viewed it as an emergency. That would be consistent with committing the many helicopters and seasoned professional troops to attempt to take the airport.

    Do explain what this feint was supposed to look like in the long term. Putin was only pretending to try and take the entire country? So you believe he would have given it back after saying "ha ha gotcha" or something?

    Do you believe the leaked plans to takeover Belarus are fake? Specifically does Putin plan on adding Belarus to Russia as a client state? Why would Putin not add Ukraine to Russia if he planned on doing the same for his loyal ally Belarus?

    Replies: @QCIC

  362. @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ... Not sure to what extent Finland was involved in the Leningrad blockade. But iirc they didn’t move beyond a certain line, despite German requests to do so.
     
    About half of it - without Finland the blockade would not be possible. One million people died because of the Finnish assistance to Nazis. Not enough?

    Germans asked for more - they always did and many allies held back, not just Finland. Without the Vyborg buffer zone that Russia took in the 1939 Winter war, St. Petersburg would fall and another 1-2 million Russians would be murdered. The Finnish artillery was literally in St.Petersburg's suburbs.

    It was similar to Ukies bombing civilians in Donbas - Russia demanding a "buffer" is a rational request - if Finns or Ukies don't like it they should refrain from bombing Russian cities on the border.

    everybody with direct experience of WW2 is dead. People “remember” it, because they want to remember it
     
    No, WW2 literally created today's world - everything traces back to 1945: borders, institutions, alliances... People remember WW2 because it matters - nothing like that has happened since.

    you sounded like you had something else in mind.
     
    I am always concerned with peace and business, they go together. I want to deescalate and not make it worse. But it is an uphill struggle, it seems that the sides have hardened and the narratives have become almost insane - the WW2 ones are a good example. It is a tragic miscalculation. It will lead nowhere and the ones rewriting history will only regret it. They won't win - their lies shouldn't win anyway - so they either lose and regret it, or manage to get all of us to lose and then it won't matter.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ

    Simple argument is, if WW2 were so unimportant today, Western propaganda wouldn’t lie about it so much.

    • Agree: Beckow, Derer
  363. @John Johnson
    My comment discusses the overall perspective of the conflict and not the details of the SMO. I don’t have any background to second guess the Russian military leadership nor do I have enough information to understand what is really happening on the ground.

    Well you confidently told us why they were occupying Ukrainian land.

    Are you saying you are unaware that they are occupying two oblasts that did not have Russian separatists? Or are you contending that two occupied oblasts voted for Zelensky and were not part of LPR/DPR separatism?

    I think the early move on Kiev was mostly a feint and maybe also a last ditch warning to Ukrainian leaders.

    You are going on record as Putin trying to take an airport near Kiev with over 200 attack helicopters was a fake?

    So you think he would not have taken the entire country if he was able to secure the government?

    Nonetheless, you are convinced it was a serious attack despite having way too small a force to have any chance of success.

    A 40 mile column of tanks and supply trucks is a serious attack.

    What else would you call it? An unserious attack?
    https://youtu.be/HacwWyTRPNY?t=22

    So you will go on record as the attack being part of a grand feint? Putin did not actually plan to take the entire country with a 40 mile column of tanks and supply trucks? You will sign your name to that? You believe he intended to take the 40 mile column to Kiev and then what?

    Replies: @QCIC, @A123

    Putin did not actually plan to take the entire country with a 40 mile column of tanks and supply trucks?

    Do you have access to TOP SECRET Kremlin records, PROVING that the goal with this single convoy was “taking the entire country?

    If not, then as external observers without access to the Kremlin internal documents are left with an array of possibilities:

    -1- Hunt to capture or kill Zelensky, and additional senior leaders
    -2- Intimidation seeking capitulation by the Kiev regime
    -3- Set up for a siege
    -4- An effort to seize Kiev by force
    -5- A feint away from other fronts
    -6- Other(s)?

    Despite you hyper fanatical over commitment, #4 remains the least plausible explanation. Conventional doctrine suggests that infantry would require 350-500K. The SMO never had such strength, especially on a single point.

    #3 IMHO seeks the most likely. However, logistics problems thru Belarus scrubbed the idea. As I openly admit I do not have TOP SECRET documents, I am concede other scenarios #1, #2, #5 or #6, not listed, may actually be the case.

    Do you want to PROVE that #4 is the top secret, internal celebration of senior Russian leadership? If so, you have to present something directly on point that explicitly reveals those deliberations in Moscow.

    Pictures, TikToks, and anecdotes are propaganda — not facts.

    PEACE 😇

  364. @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Do they have gangsta rap videos?

     

    assume so. Thought RRR had a bit of rap in it.

    The director said he was inspired by Tarantino's WW2 revisionism. I found Tarantino's film pretty hard to watch - did not enjoy. They killed too many women in it. Whereas, the Indians only killed one, I think? An old, mean broad and it was evident that they wanted to miscegenate with the younger ones. And it seemed much more light-hearted, though the English were depicted as being very evil. (But one can put this down to the need to unite Indians)

    I wonder whether AP or Mr. Hack watched the movie, based on its Ukrainian connections.

    Maybe Singh missed his calling. He could be a TND rapper
     
    Aren't Modi's henchmen already on his trail? Might make for an expensive life-insurance policy.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    What Ukrainian connections?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    One important scene was filmed at the Presidential Palace in Ukraine. I assume there were a lot of Ukrainian extras pretending to be Brits.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  365. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    What Ukrainian connections?

    Replies: @songbird

    One important scene was filmed at the Presidential Palace in Ukraine. I assume there were a lot of Ukrainian extras pretending to be Brits.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I'm not sure what film exactly your pointing out? Is it the one that Singh originally introduced?

    Replies: @songbird

  366. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    One important scene was filmed at the Presidential Palace in Ukraine. I assume there were a lot of Ukrainian extras pretending to be Brits.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I’m not sure what film exactly your pointing out? Is it the one that Singh originally introduced?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    RRR (2022), which was the highest-budget Indian film ever, and which appears to be a good example of the Pan-Indian film, or Tollywood.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RRR

    Long ago, I think someone mentioned the connection to Ukraine (perhaps, Thulean?), but I forget who it was.

    IMO, it is an interesting film, if you can tolerate foreign films, the violence, the length, and the fact that the Brits are depicted as cartoonishly evil.

    At the end, they show some individuals stating their ethnic groups and you can really see how some might see the Brits as a necessary villain to create a cohesive India.

    Have mentioned this before, but I find it quite curious how the most expensive Indian film ever depicts the Brits as villains, while the most expensive Chinese one depicts the Americans as villains.

    But what about Hollywood? Think it might be Avatar: Way of the Water, in which humans were the villains and aliens the good guys. But the most expensive movies are pretty much all fantastical and have comic book villains, etc. You would have to go a long way down the list to find a real country, and then it would probably be the dead state, Nazi Germany, which if anything kind of has antinational implications.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  367. @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ... Not sure to what extent Finland was involved in the Leningrad blockade. But iirc they didn’t move beyond a certain line, despite German requests to do so.
     
    About half of it - without Finland the blockade would not be possible. One million people died because of the Finnish assistance to Nazis. Not enough?

    Germans asked for more - they always did and many allies held back, not just Finland. Without the Vyborg buffer zone that Russia took in the 1939 Winter war, St. Petersburg would fall and another 1-2 million Russians would be murdered. The Finnish artillery was literally in St.Petersburg's suburbs.

    It was similar to Ukies bombing civilians in Donbas - Russia demanding a "buffer" is a rational request - if Finns or Ukies don't like it they should refrain from bombing Russian cities on the border.

    everybody with direct experience of WW2 is dead. People “remember” it, because they want to remember it
     
    No, WW2 literally created today's world - everything traces back to 1945: borders, institutions, alliances... People remember WW2 because it matters - nothing like that has happened since.

    you sounded like you had something else in mind.
     
    I am always concerned with peace and business, they go together. I want to deescalate and not make it worse. But it is an uphill struggle, it seems that the sides have hardened and the narratives have become almost insane - the WW2 ones are a good example. It is a tragic miscalculation. It will lead nowhere and the ones rewriting history will only regret it. They won't win - their lies shouldn't win anyway - so they either lose and regret it, or manage to get all of us to lose and then it won't matter.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ

    Germans asked for more – they always did and many allies held back, not just Finland. Without the Vyborg buffer zone that Russia took in the 1939 Winter war, St. Petersburg would fall and another 1-2 million Russians would be murdered. The Finnish artillery was literally in St.Petersburg’s suburbs.

    Had the USSR not attacked Finland in 1939, it’s not obvious that Finland would have gone to war against the USSR in 1941. Turkey didn’t, after all, likely because Stalin did not make any territorial demands upon Turkey back then, unlike after the war, when his territorial demands caused Turkey to seek NATO membership (sound familiar?).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...it’s not obvious that Finland would have gone to war against the USSR in 1941.
     
    Why not? Look at Finns today, they are clearly opportunistic enough. In any case, how could Russia take a chance? The Finns literally had artillery in St.Peter's suburbs...would any security state just live with that? And Finns refused to negotiate. Previous to that Finns massacred 10k "red" sympathisers - look that up - it was an inspiration for Stalin. As was Horthy's "white terror" in Hungary in the 1920's...nothing happens in a vacuum.

    Turkey was not going to join the Axis powers - they were smarter than that (also today). And they were very far from Russia's strategic regions. It's a bad comparison.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  368. Alternate history question: Had someone killed Lenin in Switzerland in 1916 based on his hunch that a revolution in Russia could soon begin and that he killed Lenin in order to make it easier for the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks to reunify afterwards, what would his punishment for this have been and how would this have affected subsequent developments during the Russian Revolution in 1917 and beyond?

  369. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I'm not sure what film exactly your pointing out? Is it the one that Singh originally introduced?

    Replies: @songbird

    RRR (2022), which was the highest-budget Indian film ever, and which appears to be a good example of the Pan-Indian film, or Tollywood.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RRR

    Long ago, I think someone mentioned the connection to Ukraine (perhaps, Thulean?), but I forget who it was.

    IMO, it is an interesting film, if you can tolerate foreign films, the violence, the length, and the fact that the Brits are depicted as cartoonishly evil.

    At the end, they show some individuals stating their ethnic groups and you can really see how some might see the Brits as a necessary villain to create a cohesive India.

    Have mentioned this before, but I find it quite curious how the most expensive Indian film ever depicts the Brits as villains, while the most expensive Chinese one depicts the Americans as villains.

    But what about Hollywood? Think it might be Avatar: Way of the Water, in which humans were the villains and aliens the good guys. But the most expensive movies are pretty much all fantastical and have comic book villains, etc. You would have to go a long way down the list to find a real country, and then it would probably be the dead state, Nazi Germany, which if anything kind of has antinational implications.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I'm glad that Germany lost WWII am praying that Russia doesn't start WWIII.

    Replies: @songbird

  370. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    Russia asked Britain-France to join in the fight against Nazi Germany in 1938-9: they refused so Russia bought two years of peace by signing a Non-aggression Treaty with Germany. They also occupied the large indefensible buffer zone on its western borders (that was until 1918 a part of Russia) – without this large buffer zone Russia had no chance when Nazi Germany invaded. Occupying this buffer zone saved about 1 million Jews from extermination – instead of being murdered by Nazis and their local allies, they were evacuated to the east.
     
    TBF, the USSR bears partial blame for the failure of the 1939 talks for insisting on the right to occupy its neighbors if its neighbors will engage in "indirect aggression" towards the USSR, such as signing trade agreements with Nazi Germany. The Anglo-French feared, quite rightly, that the USSR would use this as an excuse to conquer the Baltic countries and subsequently refuse to withdraw from there. Granted, I'd argue that a Soviet alliance was still in Anglo-French interests back then, but this fact combined with the Soviet Union's mass murder and mass deaths due to starvation, both in the 1930s, made the Soviet Union a rather distasteful potential ally for the West.

    The USSR's expansion to the Curzon Line in 1939 indeed helped save a lot of Soviet Jews from extermination by giving them more time to evacuate eastwards. However, relatively few of those evacuated Jews came from the USSR's newly conquered 1939-1940 territories. In these territories, with the exception of parts of Estonia and Moldova, there generally simply wasn't enough time for mass evacuations. Stalin should have done mass deportations of Jews from these areas prior to Operation Barbarossa instead. But he wasn't worried about saving Jewish lives and didn't even know for sure that Operation Barbarossa was actually going to happen ahead of time--and, if so, when exactly it would happen.

    Interestingly enough, before October 7, some right-wing Jewish jackasses in Israel wanted to prohibit the grandchildren of the male Jews who were evacuated to the Soviet interior during WWII and subsequently intermarried with gentiles from immigrating to Israel. That's what the push to repeal the Grandchild Clause of Israel's Law of Return was all about. But thankfully October 7 shut them up, hopefully for a very, very long time. It's just very sad that it required such an extraordinarily massive, bloody, and brutal terrorist attack to shut them up in regards to this.

    Replies: @Beckow

    mass murder and mass deaths due to starvation, both in the 1930s, made the Soviet Union a rather distasteful potential ally for the West.

    Britain and France were murderous colonial powers that caused mass deaths and starvation on a much larger scale: British empire had 100 to 200 million victims (yes, it has been documented). Russian could had distaste for that too…Churchill was an infamous bomber and murderer.

    When Britain and France refused, Russia best option was to sign the Non-aggression Treaty with Germany – the only card they had to play. By the way, Japan attacked Russia in August 1939 in the Far East and was defeated. Because of the M-R Treaty, Japan never felt confident to try again – they didn’t trust Germany. That also decided the war, imagine Japan invading with Germany in 1941.

    I suspect a lot of this belly-aching about the M-R Treaty and Russia’s necessary self-serving behavior is a regret that Russia won the war. People can’t come out and openly say it, so they talk about how Russia won. The M-R Treaty was a very big part of why and how Russia won so they lie about it.

    The morons like Philip Owen and his British twit brigade should be more honest and say: we wish that Russia lost WW2 – and Germany won. With all the consequences. (They are a bunch of loser-assh..les, I hope you are not one of them.)

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    FWIW, I'm not exactly super-comfortable with a lot of the colonialism that the West did. Some, like India, might have been more good than bad, but other ones, like Algeria, were definitely more bad than good, especially in the long-run (would have been much better in Algeria had there been no settler colonialism there, though).

    I'm quite content that Russia and the Allies won WWII. Indeed, very happy. Russia paid the lion's share of the butcher's bill for this, destroying a lot of its own future demographic potential in the process, and the West should be extremely happy for this since the West's own demographics, other than of course Germany's and Austria's, were left largely unscathed by WWII. And of course the West, unlike Russia, subsequently experienced a huge and long-lasting baby boom in the post-WWII decades. If only Russia and/or Ukraine could experience something like that, even on a smaller scale, after the end of the current war.

    A Nazi victory in WWII would have been terrible since it would have meant that WWI would have been fought completely for nothing and since then Nazism would have been given a huge legitimacy increase in the eyes of public opinion. The Jews might have fared better due to them being deported en masse to Madagascar or Siberia or Central Asia or wherever rather than mass murdered, especially if the Nazi WWII victory would have occurred quickly enough.

    An Anglo-Franco-Soviet alliance back in 1939 (or 1938) would have been the best option out of all of them, of course. Too bad that Stalin's brutality and aggressive intentions helped deter Western policymakers from actually making such an alliance back then. Winston Churchill was right: There was no war that was easier to prevent than WWII, at least out of wars on that extraordinary scale.

  371. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    Germans asked for more – they always did and many allies held back, not just Finland. Without the Vyborg buffer zone that Russia took in the 1939 Winter war, St. Petersburg would fall and another 1-2 million Russians would be murdered. The Finnish artillery was literally in St.Petersburg’s suburbs.
     
    Had the USSR not attacked Finland in 1939, it's not obvious that Finland would have gone to war against the USSR in 1941. Turkey didn't, after all, likely because Stalin did not make any territorial demands upon Turkey back then, unlike after the war, when his territorial demands caused Turkey to seek NATO membership (sound familiar?).

    Replies: @Beckow

    …it’s not obvious that Finland would have gone to war against the USSR in 1941.

    Why not? Look at Finns today, they are clearly opportunistic enough. In any case, how could Russia take a chance? The Finns literally had artillery in St.Peter’s suburbs…would any security state just live with that? And Finns refused to negotiate. Previous to that Finns massacred 10k “red” sympathisers – look that up – it was an inspiration for Stalin. As was Horthy’s “white terror” in Hungary in the 1920’s…nothing happens in a vacuum.

    Turkey was not going to join the Axis powers – they were smarter than that (also today). And they were very far from Russia’s strategic regions. It’s a bad comparison.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    You really think that Finland is going to go to war against Russia today?

    And Finland being close to St. Petersburg is unpleasant, no doubt. But the same is true for North Korea being close to Seoul later on. Would you have endorsed regime change in North Korea in, say, 1993? Or at least moving the South Korean-North Korean border a bit further to the north?

    Turkey is also in NATO right now and has been since 1952. Finland only joined NATO last year.

    As for White massacres against Reds, they were certainly extremely tragic, but at the same time, their scale was likely significantly less than what the Reds themselves did and the White cause was significantly more just than the Red cause, as evidenced by the success of Finland during the 20th century and beyond relative to Russia, in spite of Finns' likely genetic predisposition towards alcoholism, which they have managed to more-or-less successfully control.

  372. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...it’s not obvious that Finland would have gone to war against the USSR in 1941.
     
    Why not? Look at Finns today, they are clearly opportunistic enough. In any case, how could Russia take a chance? The Finns literally had artillery in St.Peter's suburbs...would any security state just live with that? And Finns refused to negotiate. Previous to that Finns massacred 10k "red" sympathisers - look that up - it was an inspiration for Stalin. As was Horthy's "white terror" in Hungary in the 1920's...nothing happens in a vacuum.

    Turkey was not going to join the Axis powers - they were smarter than that (also today). And they were very far from Russia's strategic regions. It's a bad comparison.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    You really think that Finland is going to go to war against Russia today?

    And Finland being close to St. Petersburg is unpleasant, no doubt. But the same is true for North Korea being close to Seoul later on. Would you have endorsed regime change in North Korea in, say, 1993? Or at least moving the South Korean-North Korean border a bit further to the north?

    Turkey is also in NATO right now and has been since 1952. Finland only joined NATO last year.

    As for White massacres against Reds, they were certainly extremely tragic, but at the same time, their scale was likely significantly less than what the Reds themselves did and the White cause was significantly more just than the Red cause, as evidenced by the success of Finland during the 20th century and beyond relative to Russia, in spite of Finns’ likely genetic predisposition towards alcoholism, which they have managed to more-or-less successfully control.

  373. @Beckow
    @Philip Owen

    Britain's participation in WW2 began in 1938 with the Munich Treaty that handed Czechoslovakia to Nazi Germany. It continued with standing aside and not actually fighting in 1939 when Germany attacked Poland...Britain mostly stood aside until 1943-4 only engaging in limited bombing and some colonial fights in Africa. When it became obvious that Russia was winning the war, Britain took part in the Normandy landing in June 1944 (!) - less than a year before the war ended.

    Russia asked Britain-France to join in the fight against Nazi Germany in 1938-9: they refused so Russia bought two years of peace by signing a Non-aggression Treaty with Germany. They also occupied the large indefensible buffer zone on its western borders (that was until 1918 a part of Russia) - without this buffer zone Russia would have no chance when Nazi Germany invaded - that's why probably Britain objected so much. Occupying this buffer zone saved about 1 million Jews from extermination - instead of being murdered by the Nazis and their local allies, they were evacuated to the east.

    80-90% of the German losses happened on the eastern front. But you know this, you just prefer to act as a moron living in a fantasy world.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP, @Philip Owen

    They also occupied the large indefensible buffer zone on its western borders (that was until 1918 a part of Russia) – without this buffer zone Russia would have no chance when Nazi Germany invaded …80-90% of the German losses happened on the eastern front

    And without the 10%-20% losses on the Western front, and without the Western aid to the USSR – USSR would have lost the war.

    And of course you as usual fail to differentiate USSR from Russia. The distinction is important, because mixing the two leads to confusion. The USSR defeated Germany in World War II. Russia alone did not. Russia alone would not have had a chance.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...as usual fail to differentiate USSR from Russia.
     
    You cannot cherrypick what you like as USSR and assign all the bad stuff to Russia. You claim that Stalin, bolshies, holodomor, M-R... was all Russia's fault. It is obviously untrue if you look who the people were, the Ukies were heavily represented.

    To be consistent we either use one or the other. When you start blaming Kaganovitch, Dzerzhinsky, Beria (Ukie, Pole, Georgian...) for what they did, then we can relabel Russia's WW2 victory as USSR. But you must be consistent.


    without the 10%-20% losses on the Western front, and without the Western aid to the USSR – USSR would have lost the war.
     
    Russia won the war by mid-1943, Germany was defeated by then. The Western supplies to Russia started in substantial quantities in late 1943 - the numbers were something like 90% of supplies between summer 1943 and 1945. There was almost no material help until then - it wasn't ready or the Anglos sat on it waiting to see who will win.

    10-20% German losses in the West happened almost fully in 1944-45. Are you saying that when Germany was defeated the Anglos started to actually fight and caused 10-15% of German losses? They came in because Germany was already defeated and not to "defeat" it...how many Anglos died liberating your lovely Poland? Lies have short legs...

    Replies: @AP

  374. @AnonfromTN
    @Philip Owen


    John was promoting the idea that MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet.
     
    Care to explain why Ukies “suicided” the guy who piloted their jet in the area at the time of MH17 disaster? Or why the route of this flight was changed so much compared to its usual route that never went over Donbass? Or why Ukies claimed that they have no dispatcher records for that time? Or why nobody saw a characteristic black smoke that Buk missile always generates? Or why so few characteristic for Buk striking elements were found in the bodies and parts of the plane? Buk missile produces thousands of them. Or why MH17 pilots were told by Ukie dispatchers to reduce altitude right before it was hit? Or why Kerry promised satellite images of the area even before the bodies cooled down, but the US never produced them in almost ten years? One can ask many more questions, but try answering these ones.

    Replies: @AP

    Care to explain why Ukies “suicided” the guy who piloted their jet in the area at the time of MH17 disaster? Or why the route of this flight was changed so much compared to its usual route that never went over Donbass? Or why Ukies claimed that they have no dispatcher records for that time?

    Or why Ukraine did not manage to build a single metro station in Kiev after 1991?

    You ae full of silly and ignorant fantasies.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
  375. The Senate deal to increase migration stands exposed: (1)

    Scandalous Senate ‘Deal’ Allows 1.5 Million Illegals Per Year, Slides Up To $2.3B To NGOs Trafficking Them, And Gives $60B To Ukraine

    Not only does this bill codify 1.5 million illegal border crossings into law, but the “border emergency” that automatically gets implemented at 5,000 crossings per day in a week can be overturned by Joe Biden.

    As noted above, the bill also carves out $2.33 billion for “Refugee and Entrant Assistance,” which provides that “Amounts made available under this heading in this Act may be used for grants or contracts with qualified organizations, including nonprofit entities, to provide culturally and linguistically appropriate services.”

    Everybody paying attention anticipated that the Senate bill was a #NeverTrump boondoggle. However, this is actually *worse* than I expected from RINO McConnell.

    The House needs to substitute 100% of the text for H.R. 2 and return this to the Senate.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/senate-deal-allows-15-million-illegals-year-slides-23b-ngos-trafficking-them-and-gives

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @A123

    This bill is delightful! I just wish that it also resulted in the importation of many more cognitive elites to the US to compensate for the influx of mostly Latin American asylum seekers.

    , @Mikel
    @A123

    You know it's a joke of a "compromise" when Glenn Beck and even pro-Ukraine, pro-illegals amnesty Marco Rubio oppose it vehemently. It actually contains 2 billion for the NGOs trying to bring the whole 3rd World to the US lol.

    As usual with the RINOs, they've volunteered to play for the opposing team. On the probably most damaging issue for Biden with the electorate Lankford et al have given the Dems the excuse that they tried to "fix the border" but the Republicans refused. If they have any brains they'll be using that line from here to November and the media will amplify it to make the Republicans look responsible for the border disaster. Surely, enough normies will buy that crap when the other day even AP and others were making the same argument that Trump is responsible for the border catastrophe now.

    On top of that, these idiots have taken the focus away from the standoff in Texas against the Feds. Nobody's now talking about the red states fighting the invasion by their own means and the Feds effectively helping the invaders anymore. How convenient for Biden.

    Voting for a RINO is worse than abstaining. Perhaps it's even worse than voting for a moderate Dem that you may like for some particular issue of your concern. At least you know what you're voting and who he is going to work for. And yet some here try to convince us to vote for Haley lol.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @A123

  376. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    mass murder and mass deaths due to starvation, both in the 1930s, made the Soviet Union a rather distasteful potential ally for the West.
     
    Britain and France were murderous colonial powers that caused mass deaths and starvation on a much larger scale: British empire had 100 to 200 million victims (yes, it has been documented). Russian could had distaste for that too...Churchill was an infamous bomber and murderer.

    When Britain and France refused, Russia best option was to sign the Non-aggression Treaty with Germany - the only card they had to play. By the way, Japan attacked Russia in August 1939 in the Far East and was defeated. Because of the M-R Treaty, Japan never felt confident to try again - they didn't trust Germany. That also decided the war, imagine Japan invading with Germany in 1941.

    I suspect a lot of this belly-aching about the M-R Treaty and Russia's necessary self-serving behavior is a regret that Russia won the war. People can't come out and openly say it, so they talk about how Russia won. The M-R Treaty was a very big part of why and how Russia won so they lie about it.

    The morons like Philip Owen and his British twit brigade should be more honest and say: we wish that Russia lost WW2 - and Germany won. With all the consequences. (They are a bunch of loser-assh..les, I hope you are not one of them.)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    FWIW, I’m not exactly super-comfortable with a lot of the colonialism that the West did. Some, like India, might have been more good than bad, but other ones, like Algeria, were definitely more bad than good, especially in the long-run (would have been much better in Algeria had there been no settler colonialism there, though).

    I’m quite content that Russia and the Allies won WWII. Indeed, very happy. Russia paid the lion’s share of the butcher’s bill for this, destroying a lot of its own future demographic potential in the process, and the West should be extremely happy for this since the West’s own demographics, other than of course Germany’s and Austria’s, were left largely unscathed by WWII. And of course the West, unlike Russia, subsequently experienced a huge and long-lasting baby boom in the post-WWII decades. If only Russia and/or Ukraine could experience something like that, even on a smaller scale, after the end of the current war.

    A Nazi victory in WWII would have been terrible since it would have meant that WWI would have been fought completely for nothing and since then Nazism would have been given a huge legitimacy increase in the eyes of public opinion. The Jews might have fared better due to them being deported en masse to Madagascar or Siberia or Central Asia or wherever rather than mass murdered, especially if the Nazi WWII victory would have occurred quickly enough.

    An Anglo-Franco-Soviet alliance back in 1939 (or 1938) would have been the best option out of all of them, of course. Too bad that Stalin’s brutality and aggressive intentions helped deter Western policymakers from actually making such an alliance back then. Winston Churchill was right: There was no war that was easier to prevent than WWII, at least out of wars on that extraordinary scale.

  377. @A123
    The Senate deal to increase migration stands exposed: (1)

    Scandalous Senate 'Deal' Allows 1.5 Million Illegals Per Year, Slides Up To $2.3B To NGOs Trafficking Them, And Gives $60B To Ukraine

     

    Not only does this bill codify 1.5 million illegal border crossings into law, but the "border emergency" that automatically gets implemented at 5,000 crossings per day in a week can be overturned by Joe Biden.
    ...
    As noted above, the bill also carves out $2.33 billion for "Refugee and Entrant Assistance," which provides that "Amounts made available under this heading in this Act may be used for grants or contracts with qualified organizations, including nonprofit entities, to provide culturally and linguistically appropriate services."
     
    Everybody paying attention anticipated that the Senate bill was a #NeverTrump boondoggle. However, this is actually *worse* than I expected from RINO McConnell.

    The House needs to substitute 100% of the text for H.R. 2 and return this to the Senate.

    PEACE 😇
    __________


    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/senate-deal-allows-15-million-illegals-year-slides-23b-ngos-trafficking-them-and-gives

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    This bill is delightful! I just wish that it also resulted in the importation of many more cognitive elites to the US to compensate for the influx of mostly Latin American asylum seekers.

  378. @sudden death
    @German_reader

    The goal isn't total wiping from the earth of RF petrouleum industrial facilities - notably reducing the RF state revenue and supply is sufficient enough, just those several demonstrative UA airstrikes last month had noticeable economic effect:


    Russia lost a third of gasoline exports after Ukraine struck major refineries

    Ukrainian drone strikes, which attacked at least six Russian oil and gas infrastructure facilities in January, have hit major oil companies' exports.

    Based on the results of the first month of 2024, Russian oil workers reduced the export of gasoline abroad by 37%, the Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation reported. Sales of diesel fuel, the largest export of petroleum products, collapsed by 23%. The decline in exports was the result of “unscheduled repairs” at oil refineries and the need to supply the domestic market, the department explained. The Ministry of Energy assures that there are no and will not be problems with the supply of the domestic market: gasoline shipments in January increased by 7%, and diesel fuel by 17%. In addition, reserves have been formed: for motor gasoline - 1.9 million tons, for diesel fuel - 3.9 million tons, the department emphasizes.

    If the attacks continue at their current intensity, “the inconvenience could become a problem,” said Sergei Vakulenko, a visiting fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. He noted that refineries “are important to the economy and to warfare—cars and trucks, tractors and combines, tanks and ships, civilian and military aircraft must be fueled with gasoline, diesel fuel and kerosene, not crude oil.”

    https://t.me/moscowtimes_ru/18955
     

    imho, in practice more likely it will be a mix of all available UA countermeasures - maybe roughly 200k mobilization for territorial defensive goals, while continuing longer range strikes both in air&sea during 2024.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @QCIC, @Sean, @LatW

    imho, in practice more likely it will be a mix of all available UA countermeasures – maybe roughly 200k mobilization for territorial defensive goals, while continuing longer range strikes both in air&sea during 2024.

    They are working on their own long range capability, so that they don’t have to ask permission from the West (apparently there is some proof that the one that hit St Pete really did fly out of Ukraine).

    Did you watch the incredible footage from the Ivanovets? It almost looks like very early 20th century fighting with early 21st. What is most amazing about this footage, imo, is how the ship is trying to defend itself – the ship obviously knows it’s under a very serious attack and is staring death in the eyes, she is fighting for her life – you can see the barrage of smaller splashes in the water, it is where the ship is firing at the drones (with machine guns) and yet the drone skirts by and persists resolutely on its course – it is able to move in such an agile way that it circumvents the intense fire from the ship and reaches the target.

    It was apparently the Sea Baby (the Malyuka) (most likely several of them). The next step of development would be if the Sea Baby itself were able to swim back after “mission accomplished” but that is probably from the realm of fantasy at this point.

    • Replies: @Derer
    @LatW

    Dear LatW, you are posting from an enormous stress, because you are next to be annexed. That is propaganda material you are pushing.

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN

    , @sudden death
    @LatW

    As long as UA can keep blowing warships out of the water or burn oil refineries inside RF everytime there is some suburbia pobeda announced by Kremlin, it should be favourable exchange rate for Kiev - there are more suburbs in Donbas than RF has warships or refineries;)

  379. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    From this perspective the Ukrainian leaders had a choice while the Russian leaders did not, simple action and reaction. The fact that there is an imaginary line dividing the two areas does not change the history that these regions and peoples were part of a unified state within living memory and going back a long time.

    You are saying the failed attempt at taking Kiev was required to protect DPR/LPR?

    What then is the justification for the Russian occupation of two oblasts that did not have separatists and voted for Zelensky?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @QCIC, @Derer

    What then is the justification for the Russian occupation of two oblasts that did not have separatists and voted for Zelensky?

    Who counted the vote in Ukraine? Those experts were hired by the DNC in 2020 election that counted record votes for geriatric Biden, more than actually registered. Are you always so gullible?

    Wisdom from a smart leader:”It’s not the people who vote that count. It’s the people who count the votes.”

  380. @LatW
    @sudden death


    imho, in practice more likely it will be a mix of all available UA countermeasures – maybe roughly 200k mobilization for territorial defensive goals, while continuing longer range strikes both in air&sea during 2024.
     
    They are working on their own long range capability, so that they don't have to ask permission from the West (apparently there is some proof that the one that hit St Pete really did fly out of Ukraine).

    Did you watch the incredible footage from the Ivanovets? It almost looks like very early 20th century fighting with early 21st. What is most amazing about this footage, imo, is how the ship is trying to defend itself - the ship obviously knows it's under a very serious attack and is staring death in the eyes, she is fighting for her life - you can see the barrage of smaller splashes in the water, it is where the ship is firing at the drones (with machine guns) and yet the drone skirts by and persists resolutely on its course - it is able to move in such an agile way that it circumvents the intense fire from the ship and reaches the target.

    It was apparently the Sea Baby (the Malyuka) (most likely several of them). The next step of development would be if the Sea Baby itself were able to swim back after "mission accomplished" but that is probably from the realm of fantasy at this point.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHFlqgCyElo

    Replies: @Derer, @sudden death

    Dear LatW, you are posting from an enormous stress, because you are next to be annexed. That is propaganda material you are pushing.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Derer


    That is propaganda material you are pushing.
     
    Video footage of an actual event is now "propaganda", my dear?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Derer

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Derer

    Hey, don’t burst their bubble. The more Russophobs fool themselves with computer-generated pics and videos, the better it is for Russia.

  381. @A123
    @AP



    But Ukraine could have at least taken the historical example of Finland and negotiated some kind of respectable peace with Russia after they recovered Kherson

     

    Why do you think Russian leaders were interested in something like that? They view Ukraine as a place that should be a part of Russia
     
    Russia's leaders have been signalling this for some time. While they view Crimea as part of Russia, as one goes West that feeling drops off. Even before the fighting, the east end was sometimes thought of as Russian. I do not believe I ever heard of Lviv described that way back then.

    The very early plan was creation of two independent republics that would not be integrated into Russia. Kiev aggression forced a change to officially integrating large chunks of 4 oblasts. This places development cost on Moscow as the territories are less prosperous than the national mean. More land = more post-war expenses. The current line would sell to Russian decision makers and the public at large.

    Also, Russia has strong 2nd hand knowledge about having a failed state next door. Their client Syria is plagued by the devolution of Lebanon. Russian leaders would prefer a non-aggressive, stable, even if less than friendly, state next door rather than a lawless black hole.
    ___

    Does anyone think Zelensky is interested in a viable deal?

    The problem remains Ukrainian intransigence and untrustworthiness. The Minsk deal, much like Oslo, depended on good faith. In both cases, the Ukie/Pali sides immediately undercut the arrangement. After the perfidy of Minsk, any new deal must include verifiable and enforceable provisions that prevent Kiev from arming up for Round 2.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

    Even before the fighting, the east end was sometimes thought of as Russian.

    Just because something is “thought of” in a certain way, doesn’t mean it is ok to casually carve up whole states – even if for some this might be the “new normal”, it still merits some serious consideration. The East is “Russian” only by those who do not know enough about Ukraine. There have always been traditional Ukrainian settlements in the East and in the South.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloboda_Ukraine

    The first ones to rise and fight against the pro-Russian militias that had started the insurgency and that were supplied by the RusFed, were in fact Donbassers themselves – the so called черные человечки (or the “men in black”, named so in contrast to the Russian “green men”) – these were local militias with roots in the Donetsk region, not someone from Kyiv or much less Lviv.

    Many of the Easterners are bilingual (I have met such Russian speaking refugees from Luhansk, who also had Ukrainian classes in school), namely, they used Russian daily, but could also speak Ukrainian (or at least understand it).

    Many pro-Ukrainian Donbas natives were expelled, many were forced to move twice – first, out of Donbass into, let’s say, Zaporizhzhia and then once again from there further West, once the large scale invasion started – have you heard much of such cases where refugees and the internally displaced are displaced not once but twice – which is scandalous from the humanitarian point of view, yet people such as yourself dismiss this casually as if it’s not a big deal…

    Besides, just because a region speaks a certain language, doesn’t mean it can be carved out of the country (there are many layers in between, such as autonomy, etc). Or at least, all large states resist this.

    A large nuclear country trying to aggressively partition another state – a state that was intentionally disarmed in the 1990s through collaborative efforts between Russia and the US, or, even worse, in fact – the most potent Ukrainian made weapons were actually given away to Russia – with the intention to eventually swallow it up – this is an attempt that effectively dismantles the whole international order.

    This places development cost on Moscow as the territories are less prosperous than the national mean.

    Not only that but after the arrival of the Russian world, these regions are not just poorer than they were under Ukraine, but they now lack water and electricity in some cases. In some cases, the inhabitants had to melt snow to get water. They have been taken to the Stone Age – a complete disregard of these people’s wellbeing and denial of their basic human dignity. They are second (or even third) class citizens by Russian standards and this is openly being admitted by the Z crowd.

    Does anyone think Zelensky is interested in a viable deal?

    It’s not about Zelensky. Giving away territory is against Ukraine’s constitution. If Zelensky ever agrees to this, he will have to go.

    After the perfidy of Minsk, any new deal must include verifiable and enforceable provisions that prevent Kiev from arming up for Round 2.

    Mensk is water under the bridge. So much aggression has taken place against Ukraine since then and the intentions of Moscow of destroying the Ukrainian nationality are so clear, that the Ukrainians will never give up the idea of creating a viable deterrent (even if it remains to be seen if they can manage to create one). If they fail at this, the result will be a re-armament of Europe. Possibly both of those will happen now.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ, Mr. Hack, Coconuts
    • Replies: @A123
    @LatW


    Mensk is water under the bridge. So much aggression has taken place against Ukraine since then
    ...
    the intentions of Moscow of destroying the Ukrainian nationality are so clear

     

    Let me fix those for you:

    Minsk is water under the bridge. So much Ukrainian aggression has taken place since then

    Having deliberately sabotaged the Minsk deal, the best that Kiev can hope for is less than that.

    the intentions of Moscow of *NOT* destroying the Ukrainian nationality are so clear

    Places like Kiev and Lviv have not been rendered uninhabitable. If the intent was ending Ukraine as a nation, different strategic choices would have been made.

    the Ukrainians will never give up the idea of creating a viable deterrent (even if it remains to be seen if they can manage to create one).
     
    Given over a decade of Kiev aggression, any peace deal will prohibit Ukraine from creating an offensive force that they would use to start Round 2.

    It’s not about Zelensky. Giving away territory is against Ukraine’s constitution. If Zelensky ever agrees to this, he will have to go.
     
    Zelensky is so weak he had to cancel elections to stay in power. So it is not about him. At some point he will be replaced by a negotiation capable leader.

    It is about achieving a viable peace. If a piece of paper blocks that, it will have to be amended.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mikhail

  382. @Derer
    @LatW

    Dear LatW, you are posting from an enormous stress, because you are next to be annexed. That is propaganda material you are pushing.

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN

    That is propaganda material you are pushing.

    Video footage of an actual event is now “propaganda”, my dear?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @LatW

    Is another example of how a typical military is always "fighting the last war" as skeptics like to point out. Drones capable of this sort of attack have been around a long time, but many ships are not prepared for this. I think radar and sonar exist for picking up small surface and undersea targets. They need that capability along with a gun, missile or torpedo which points at the water.

    Watch out, Mister Aircraft Carrier!

    , @Derer
    @LatW

    "my dear"

    Do you really mean it?

  383. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    RRR (2022), which was the highest-budget Indian film ever, and which appears to be a good example of the Pan-Indian film, or Tollywood.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RRR

    Long ago, I think someone mentioned the connection to Ukraine (perhaps, Thulean?), but I forget who it was.

    IMO, it is an interesting film, if you can tolerate foreign films, the violence, the length, and the fact that the Brits are depicted as cartoonishly evil.

    At the end, they show some individuals stating their ethnic groups and you can really see how some might see the Brits as a necessary villain to create a cohesive India.

    Have mentioned this before, but I find it quite curious how the most expensive Indian film ever depicts the Brits as villains, while the most expensive Chinese one depicts the Americans as villains.

    But what about Hollywood? Think it might be Avatar: Way of the Water, in which humans were the villains and aliens the good guys. But the most expensive movies are pretty much all fantastical and have comic book villains, etc. You would have to go a long way down the list to find a real country, and then it would probably be the dead state, Nazi Germany, which if anything kind of has antinational implications.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I’m glad that Germany lost WWII am praying that Russia doesn’t start WWIII.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    I’m glad that Germany lost WWII
     
    It's not a question of them having lost, so much it is of them being the big baddies culturally when they haven't even existed for nearly 80 years. They have become a hobgoblin to distract from real problems and threats, and generally muddy the waters.

    Pat Buchanan wasn't a Nazi, and actually he might have prevented war, including the one in Ukraine, rather than facilitated it. But people were programmed to take up and regurgitate the smear. As if the group ever had any relevancy in the US.

    Maybe, they should make endless films about Neocons. That might actually be useful culturally.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

  384. @Beckow
    @Philip Owen

    Britain's participation in WW2 began in 1938 with the Munich Treaty that handed Czechoslovakia to Nazi Germany. It continued with standing aside and not actually fighting in 1939 when Germany attacked Poland...Britain mostly stood aside until 1943-4 only engaging in limited bombing and some colonial fights in Africa. When it became obvious that Russia was winning the war, Britain took part in the Normandy landing in June 1944 (!) - less than a year before the war ended.

    Russia asked Britain-France to join in the fight against Nazi Germany in 1938-9: they refused so Russia bought two years of peace by signing a Non-aggression Treaty with Germany. They also occupied the large indefensible buffer zone on its western borders (that was until 1918 a part of Russia) - without this buffer zone Russia would have no chance when Nazi Germany invaded - that's why probably Britain objected so much. Occupying this buffer zone saved about 1 million Jews from extermination - instead of being murdered by the Nazis and their local allies, they were evacuated to the east.

    80-90% of the German losses happened on the eastern front. But you know this, you just prefer to act as a moron living in a fantasy world.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP, @Philip Owen

    Britain had no army or airforce in 1938. Stalin, who did have a large army, was playing games or delusional. Britain successfully blockaded German ports from the first of the war onwards. Only the overland route through Iran and Russia kept Germany able to fight as vehicles and planes couldn’t be made without rubber. The SU was happy to smuggle it and provide much more from its own resources.

    Vladimir Suzdal decided Ukraine was not part of their Russia in 1169. Kyiv was sacked for 3 days (foreigners) not one (yourown people). It hasn’t been the same country since then.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Philip Owen


    Vladimir Suzdal decided Ukraine was not part of their Russia in 1169. Kyiv was sacked for 3 days (foreigners) not one (yourown people). It hasn’t been the same country since then.
     
    On par with stating the US didn't consider the American south a part of the US on account of the burning of Atlanta. Suzdal saw itself as an expanded part of Rus. Oleg's earlier moving from Novgorod to Kiev, didn't mean he suddenly saw the former as something foreign along the lines of when some countries change the location of their capital.
    , @Beckow
    @Philip Owen

    Well, you doubled down on the irrelevant British myths...rubber? No kidding, so Britain "won WW2" because of rubber? Let me indulge you for a moment: Russia or Iran don't produce rubber, wasn't it coming from British-French colonies? Where was that "successful blockade"? I would remind you that all through WW2 the British-American investors were collecting dividends from their "German factories" through Swiss banks...so who really propped up Hitler?

    Even when you lie you do it now badly. Britain betrayed Central-Eastern Europe and sold us to Hiltler. The British twits wanted to direct Germany's aggression to the east - only when Russia decisively defeated Germany in 1942-3 did Britain really join the war.

    Fine, most nations around WW2 did things that they shouldn't have...but the insane British propaganda trying to re-write the history and then allying with the open Nazi-worshippers (like Banderites) was a step too far. I doubt the Brits will recover from this misstep - the British genocides around the world murdered 100-200 million people, by being arrogant twits in the last few years you brought the reconning on yourself. This was very stupid, the BoJo-old mad lady-Indian circus, the hysterical media and academic lying...how was it supposed to work?

    , @LatW
    @Philip Owen


    Vladimir Suzdal decided Ukraine was not part of their Russia in 1169.
     
    It might run even deeper than that - who lived in Suzdal'? How exactly did the population of Suzdal' differ from that of Kyiv.. those are interesting questions.

    Apparently, originally it was a mixed population of Slavs and a Finno-Ugric tribe Merya, their neighbors were Mordvins. There were a lot more Finno-Ugrics at that time (tens of millions apparently), but then they shrank very rapidly and were assimilated by Slavs.

    Suzdal' is not a big place, but it is one of the indigenous, founding places of Russia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meryans

    An approximate ethno-linguistic map of Kievan Rus' in the 9th century: Five Volga Finnic groups of the Merya, Mari, Muromians, Meshchera and Mordvins are shown as surrounded by the Slavs to the west; the three Finnic groups of the Veps, Ests and Chuds, and Indo-European Balts to the northwest; the Permians to the northeast the (Turkic) Bulghars and Khazars to the southeast and south.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Muromian-map.png

    , @Gerard1234
    @Philip Owen


    Britain successfully blockaded German ports from the first of the war onwards. Only the overland route through Iran and Russia kept Germany able to fight as vehicles and planes couldn’t be made without rubber. The SU was happy to smuggle it and provide much more from its own resource
     
    LOL - so that explains the Nazis and Italians moving half a million men and millions of tonnes of supplies, ammunition and weapons across the Mediterrenean into North Africa??! Or Norway and transport of very valuable materials out of there? WTF did you think happened in the Black Sea in WW2, and how did they get there? Baltic Sea? Cretin.
    British Navy efforts during the war should of course be praised - not overaggerated/lied about.

    Nazis had defeated Poland less than one month after Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement, i,e it had f**k all to do with implementation of Nazi war campaign against Poland............the British-created Munich agreement DID though as it gave Nazis control of the biggest industrial centre of Europe.

    Oil given by USSR was about 10% (for that less than one year) of Nazi oil supply. Any other resource was much less than even that.

    Vladimir Suzdal decided Ukraine was not part of their Russia in 1169. Kyiv was sacked for 3 days (foreigners) not one (yourown people). It hasn’t been the same country since then.
     
    Too idiotic to respond to


    Britain had no army or airforce in 1938.
     
    More nonsense

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  385. Why assume Putin launched the 2022 invasion because he expected to work perfectly? He could have had grave doubts but saw no other way and understood he had to act as if he was confident in order to get the military fully on board. Maybe Putin invaded Ukraine because he thought it might work and so was was worth a try while doing nothing would certainly result in a declining strategic position for Russia. What makes all the difference now is Ukraine is omniscient, it has the benefit of US surveillance and so Russia cannot concentrate major forces and achieve surprise for a mobile offensive tank drive. The Russian battlefield defences worked much much better than expected because they are static /don’t rely on surprise, and so can’t be nullified by real time intel from the Americans

  386. Col Lawrence Wilkerson: Russia’s Economy is “banging along”

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    So if the sanctions have been good for Russia, you should be happy that they exist. Newer ones should be promulgated to further help Russia develop?

    Here's a Russian businessman that shows how the war has negatively affected the Russian utility industry He thinks that there's lot more bad news coming for the Russian economy:

    https://youtu.be/b4dduEpy4SM

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikhail, @QCIC

  387. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I'm glad that Germany lost WWII am praying that Russia doesn't start WWIII.

    Replies: @songbird

    I’m glad that Germany lost WWII

    It’s not a question of them having lost, so much it is of them being the big baddies culturally when they haven’t even existed for nearly 80 years. They have become a hobgoblin to distract from real problems and threats, and generally muddy the waters.

    Pat Buchanan wasn’t a Nazi, and actually he might have prevented war, including the one in Ukraine, rather than facilitated it. But people were programmed to take up and regurgitate the smear. As if the group ever had any relevancy in the US.

    Maybe, they should make endless films about Neocons. That might actually be useful culturally.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @songbird


    Maybe, they should make endless films about Neocons. That might actually be useful culturally.
     
    In actuality, they're the ones more likely to start WW III than Russia.
    , @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    But people were programmed to take up and regurgitate the smear. As if the group ever had any relevancy in the US.
     
    People like me that pickup the phone and listen to relatives in Ukraine who tell me about the hardships that they have to endure because of the Russian invasion? Funny though, they never blame the neo-cons for this war, but squarely lay the blame at the feet of Russia and Putler. They must have fell for the "smear" unlike you? Their biggest complaint is that the neo-cons and other Americans are too slow in providing needed weaponry to push back the invaders.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @songbird

  388. @Philip Owen
    @Beckow

    Britain had no army or airforce in 1938. Stalin, who did have a large army, was playing games or delusional. Britain successfully blockaded German ports from the first of the war onwards. Only the overland route through Iran and Russia kept Germany able to fight as vehicles and planes couldn't be made without rubber. The SU was happy to smuggle it and provide much more from its own resources.

    Vladimir Suzdal decided Ukraine was not part of their Russia in 1169. Kyiv was sacked for 3 days (foreigners) not one (yourown people). It hasn't been the same country since then.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow, @LatW, @Gerard1234

    Vladimir Suzdal decided Ukraine was not part of their Russia in 1169. Kyiv was sacked for 3 days (foreigners) not one (yourown people). It hasn’t been the same country since then.

    On par with stating the US didn’t consider the American south a part of the US on account of the burning of Atlanta. Suzdal saw itself as an expanded part of Rus. Oleg’s earlier moving from Novgorod to Kiev, didn’t mean he suddenly saw the former as something foreign along the lines of when some countries change the location of their capital.

  389. @LatW
    @A123


    Even before the fighting, the east end was sometimes thought of as Russian.
     
    Just because something is "thought of" in a certain way, doesn't mean it is ok to casually carve up whole states - even if for some this might be the "new normal", it still merits some serious consideration. The East is "Russian" only by those who do not know enough about Ukraine. There have always been traditional Ukrainian settlements in the East and in the South.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloboda_Ukraine

    The first ones to rise and fight against the pro-Russian militias that had started the insurgency and that were supplied by the RusFed, were in fact Donbassers themselves - the so called черные человечки (or the "men in black", named so in contrast to the Russian "green men") - these were local militias with roots in the Donetsk region, not someone from Kyiv or much less Lviv.

    Many of the Easterners are bilingual (I have met such Russian speaking refugees from Luhansk, who also had Ukrainian classes in school), namely, they used Russian daily, but could also speak Ukrainian (or at least understand it).

    Many pro-Ukrainian Donbas natives were expelled, many were forced to move twice - first, out of Donbass into, let's say, Zaporizhzhia and then once again from there further West, once the large scale invasion started - have you heard much of such cases where refugees and the internally displaced are displaced not once but twice - which is scandalous from the humanitarian point of view, yet people such as yourself dismiss this casually as if it's not a big deal...

    Besides, just because a region speaks a certain language, doesn't mean it can be carved out of the country (there are many layers in between, such as autonomy, etc). Or at least, all large states resist this.

    A large nuclear country trying to aggressively partition another state - a state that was intentionally disarmed in the 1990s through collaborative efforts between Russia and the US, or, even worse, in fact - the most potent Ukrainian made weapons were actually given away to Russia - with the intention to eventually swallow it up - this is an attempt that effectively dismantles the whole international order.


    This places development cost on Moscow as the territories are less prosperous than the national mean.

     

    Not only that but after the arrival of the Russian world, these regions are not just poorer than they were under Ukraine, but they now lack water and electricity in some cases. In some cases, the inhabitants had to melt snow to get water. They have been taken to the Stone Age - a complete disregard of these people's wellbeing and denial of their basic human dignity. They are second (or even third) class citizens by Russian standards and this is openly being admitted by the Z crowd.

    Does anyone think Zelensky is interested in a viable deal?
     

    It's not about Zelensky. Giving away territory is against Ukraine's constitution. If Zelensky ever agrees to this, he will have to go.

    After the perfidy of Minsk, any new deal must include verifiable and enforceable provisions that prevent Kiev from arming up for Round 2.
     

    Mensk is water under the bridge. So much aggression has taken place against Ukraine since then and the intentions of Moscow of destroying the Ukrainian nationality are so clear, that the Ukrainians will never give up the idea of creating a viable deterrent (even if it remains to be seen if they can manage to create one). If they fail at this, the result will be a re-armament of Europe. Possibly both of those will happen now.

    Replies: @A123

    Mensk is water under the bridge. So much aggression has taken place against Ukraine since then

    the intentions of Moscow of destroying the Ukrainian nationality are so clear

    Let me fix those for you:

    Minsk is water under the bridge. So much Ukrainian aggression has taken place since then

    Having deliberately sabotaged the Minsk deal, the best that Kiev can hope for is less than that.

    the intentions of Moscow of *NOT* destroying the Ukrainian nationality are so clear

    Places like Kiev and Lviv have not been rendered uninhabitable. If the intent was ending Ukraine as a nation, different strategic choices would have been made.

    the Ukrainians will never give up the idea of creating a viable deterrent (even if it remains to be seen if they can manage to create one).

    Given over a decade of Kiev aggression, any peace deal will prohibit Ukraine from creating an offensive force that they would use to start Round 2.

    It’s not about Zelensky. Giving away territory is against Ukraine’s constitution. If Zelensky ever agrees to this, he will have to go.

    Zelensky is so weak he had to cancel elections to stay in power. So it is not about him. At some point he will be replaced by a negotiation capable leader.

    It is about achieving a viable peace. If a piece of paper blocks that, it will have to be amended.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @A123


    Zelensky is so weak he had to cancel elections to stay in power. So it is not about him. At some point he will be replaced by a negotiation capable leader.
     
    Sheila Broflovski is apparently still on his side. Otherwise, he's domestically weak, as evidenced by his failure to replace Zaluzhny. Tymoshenko, Poroshenko and Kltischko have clearly distanced themselves ffrom him, with Budanov and Sysrsky not going along with Zelensky's preference.

    Replies: @QCIC

  390. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    I’m glad that Germany lost WWII
     
    It's not a question of them having lost, so much it is of them being the big baddies culturally when they haven't even existed for nearly 80 years. They have become a hobgoblin to distract from real problems and threats, and generally muddy the waters.

    Pat Buchanan wasn't a Nazi, and actually he might have prevented war, including the one in Ukraine, rather than facilitated it. But people were programmed to take up and regurgitate the smear. As if the group ever had any relevancy in the US.

    Maybe, they should make endless films about Neocons. That might actually be useful culturally.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    Maybe, they should make endless films about Neocons. That might actually be useful culturally.

    In actuality, they’re the ones more likely to start WW III than Russia.

    • Agree: songbird
    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
  391. @Mikhail
    Col Lawrence Wilkerson: Russia's Economy is "banging along"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AdCcK8FR30

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    So if the sanctions have been good for Russia, you should be happy that they exist. Newer ones should be promulgated to further help Russia develop?

    Here’s a Russian businessman that shows how the war has negatively affected the Russian utility industry He thinks that there’s lot more bad news coming for the Russian economy:

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    For those really interested in why the utility industry within Russia has gone to shambles, start listening around 14:48. 1) money; people; technology. This subject matter was discussed here recently, but nobody could really explain why this all was happening right now. Konstantine, who used to be involved with doing repairs within the utility industry, knows first hand what he's talking about.

    , @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Nothing is economically foolproof with the collective West as a prime example.

    , @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    This sort of thing is completely expected. The Russian government probably sees itself as fighting a precursor to WW3. In such a serious situation, there is little benefit in shielding civilians from hardship. Much better to have them share in the pain and inconvenience to motivate them to learn what is really going on.

    Utility problems are another opportunity to revive dormant sectors of the Russian economy which were apparently suppressed by "finance capitalism". As an example, the Russians have pursued their own development of modern small to medium size gas turbines for utilities. This is an area where foreign technology was favored over indigenous hardware until the sanctions blocked imports. The turbine development seems to be working out, though ramping up production may take a long time.

    Replies: @Beckow

  392. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    I’m glad that Germany lost WWII
     
    It's not a question of them having lost, so much it is of them being the big baddies culturally when they haven't even existed for nearly 80 years. They have become a hobgoblin to distract from real problems and threats, and generally muddy the waters.

    Pat Buchanan wasn't a Nazi, and actually he might have prevented war, including the one in Ukraine, rather than facilitated it. But people were programmed to take up and regurgitate the smear. As if the group ever had any relevancy in the US.

    Maybe, they should make endless films about Neocons. That might actually be useful culturally.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack

    But people were programmed to take up and regurgitate the smear. As if the group ever had any relevancy in the US.

    People like me that pickup the phone and listen to relatives in Ukraine who tell me about the hardships that they have to endure because of the Russian invasion? Funny though, they never blame the neo-cons for this war, but squarely lay the blame at the feet of Russia and Putler. They must have fell for the “smear” unlike you? Their biggest complaint is that the neo-cons and other Americans are too slow in providing needed weaponry to push back the invaders.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    People like me that pickup the phone and listen to relatives in Ukraine who tell me about the hardships that they have to endure because of the Russian invasion? Funny though, they never blame the neo-cons for this war, but squarely lay the blame at the feet of Russia and Putler.
     
    Many Germans feeling that way towards the Allies as WW II was coming to an end. Reality eventually sunk in.

    Their biggest complaint is that the neo-cons and other Americans are too slow in providing needed weaponry to push back the invaders.
     
    On account of them not having such great amounts and seeing how what is given performs.
    , @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    People like me that pickup the phone and listen to relatives in Ukraine who tell me about the hardships that they have to endure because of the Russian invasion?
     
    Such invocations will not fool me; I have nothing more to say in the matter but this one truth: you are trying to dodge your obligation to watch a three hour Indian movie.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  393. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    So if the sanctions have been good for Russia, you should be happy that they exist. Newer ones should be promulgated to further help Russia develop?

    Here's a Russian businessman that shows how the war has negatively affected the Russian utility industry He thinks that there's lot more bad news coming for the Russian economy:

    https://youtu.be/b4dduEpy4SM

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikhail, @QCIC

    For those really interested in why the utility industry within Russia has gone to shambles, start listening around 14:48. 1) money; people; technology. This subject matter was discussed here recently, but nobody could really explain why this all was happening right now. Konstantine, who used to be involved with doing repairs within the utility industry, knows first hand what he’s talking about.

  394. @A123
    @LatW


    Mensk is water under the bridge. So much aggression has taken place against Ukraine since then
    ...
    the intentions of Moscow of destroying the Ukrainian nationality are so clear

     

    Let me fix those for you:

    Minsk is water under the bridge. So much Ukrainian aggression has taken place since then

    Having deliberately sabotaged the Minsk deal, the best that Kiev can hope for is less than that.

    the intentions of Moscow of *NOT* destroying the Ukrainian nationality are so clear

    Places like Kiev and Lviv have not been rendered uninhabitable. If the intent was ending Ukraine as a nation, different strategic choices would have been made.

    the Ukrainians will never give up the idea of creating a viable deterrent (even if it remains to be seen if they can manage to create one).
     
    Given over a decade of Kiev aggression, any peace deal will prohibit Ukraine from creating an offensive force that they would use to start Round 2.

    It’s not about Zelensky. Giving away territory is against Ukraine’s constitution. If Zelensky ever agrees to this, he will have to go.
     
    Zelensky is so weak he had to cancel elections to stay in power. So it is not about him. At some point he will be replaced by a negotiation capable leader.

    It is about achieving a viable peace. If a piece of paper blocks that, it will have to be amended.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Zelensky is so weak he had to cancel elections to stay in power. So it is not about him. At some point he will be replaced by a negotiation capable leader.

    Sheila Broflovski is apparently still on his side. Otherwise, he’s domestically weak, as evidenced by his failure to replace Zaluzhny. Tymoshenko, Poroshenko and Kltischko have clearly distanced themselves ffrom him, with Budanov and Sysrsky not going along with Zelensky’s preference.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mikhail

    Don't forget he is a clown actor first, fake president second.

    Can we discern the intentions of the puppet masters by watching how they direct Zelensky and the rest of the cast of characters?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  395. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    So if the sanctions have been good for Russia, you should be happy that they exist. Newer ones should be promulgated to further help Russia develop?

    Here's a Russian businessman that shows how the war has negatively affected the Russian utility industry He thinks that there's lot more bad news coming for the Russian economy:

    https://youtu.be/b4dduEpy4SM

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikhail, @QCIC

    Nothing is economically foolproof with the collective West as a prime example.

  396. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    But people were programmed to take up and regurgitate the smear. As if the group ever had any relevancy in the US.
     
    People like me that pickup the phone and listen to relatives in Ukraine who tell me about the hardships that they have to endure because of the Russian invasion? Funny though, they never blame the neo-cons for this war, but squarely lay the blame at the feet of Russia and Putler. They must have fell for the "smear" unlike you? Their biggest complaint is that the neo-cons and other Americans are too slow in providing needed weaponry to push back the invaders.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @songbird

    People like me that pickup the phone and listen to relatives in Ukraine who tell me about the hardships that they have to endure because of the Russian invasion? Funny though, they never blame the neo-cons for this war, but squarely lay the blame at the feet of Russia and Putler.

    Many Germans feeling that way towards the Allies as WW II was coming to an end. Reality eventually sunk in.

    Their biggest complaint is that the neo-cons and other Americans are too slow in providing needed weaponry to push back the invaders.

    On account of them not having such great amounts and seeing how what is given performs.

  397. @LatW
    @Derer


    That is propaganda material you are pushing.
     
    Video footage of an actual event is now "propaganda", my dear?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Derer

    Is another example of how a typical military is always “fighting the last war” as skeptics like to point out. Drones capable of this sort of attack have been around a long time, but many ships are not prepared for this. I think radar and sonar exist for picking up small surface and undersea targets. They need that capability along with a gun, missile or torpedo which points at the water.

    Watch out, Mister Aircraft Carrier!

  398. @Derer
    @LatW

    Dear LatW, you are posting from an enormous stress, because you are next to be annexed. That is propaganda material you are pushing.

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN

    Hey, don’t burst their bubble. The more Russophobs fool themselves with computer-generated pics and videos, the better it is for Russia.

    • Agree: Derer
  399. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    So if the sanctions have been good for Russia, you should be happy that they exist. Newer ones should be promulgated to further help Russia develop?

    Here's a Russian businessman that shows how the war has negatively affected the Russian utility industry He thinks that there's lot more bad news coming for the Russian economy:

    https://youtu.be/b4dduEpy4SM

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikhail, @QCIC

    This sort of thing is completely expected. The Russian government probably sees itself as fighting a precursor to WW3. In such a serious situation, there is little benefit in shielding civilians from hardship. Much better to have them share in the pain and inconvenience to motivate them to learn what is really going on.

    Utility problems are another opportunity to revive dormant sectors of the Russian economy which were apparently suppressed by “finance capitalism”. As an example, the Russians have pursued their own development of modern small to medium size gas turbines for utilities. This is an area where foreign technology was favored over indigenous hardware until the sanctions blocked imports. The turbine development seems to be working out, though ramping up production may take a long time.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @QCIC


    ...The Russian government probably sees itself as fighting a precursor to WW3. In such a serious situation, there is little benefit in shielding civilians from hardship.
     
    I am afraid that is now true. It definitely wasn't in 2022: Russia started the war to prevent WW3, they went out of their way to settle this ugly conflict. The West should had taken the deal, we would all be much better off - most of all the hapless Ukies.

    The civilian suffering is a precursor to an all-out war, it gets people mentally ready to accept it. We had two realistic options in 2022:
    - make a rational deal: neutral Ukraine, Crimea stays with Russia, autonomy in Donbas
    - escalate to a major war that can get out of control.

    The West chose the worse option and now they don't know what to do. The option the West wanted was to have a nationalist bastion of Nato-Ukraine - it was not realistic once Russia moved. They can still retreat intact, but it is now a huge defeat instead of a remote border-security adjustment. But they chose it hoping for a miracle. You can't help stupid.

  400. @Mikhail
    @A123


    Zelensky is so weak he had to cancel elections to stay in power. So it is not about him. At some point he will be replaced by a negotiation capable leader.
     
    Sheila Broflovski is apparently still on his side. Otherwise, he's domestically weak, as evidenced by his failure to replace Zaluzhny. Tymoshenko, Poroshenko and Kltischko have clearly distanced themselves ffrom him, with Budanov and Sysrsky not going along with Zelensky's preference.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Don’t forget he is a clown actor first, fake president second.

    Can we discern the intentions of the puppet masters by watching how they direct Zelensky and the rest of the cast of characters?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    Can we discern the intentions of the puppet masters by watching how they direct Zelensky and the rest of the cast of characters?
     
    Why would we care? Russian task is simple: crush the Kiev puppets, make sure that the intentions of the puppeteers are thwarted, whatever these intentions might be.

    As is its habit, the empire will declare victory and leave with its tail between its legs. The Ukrainians will be the ones who suffered most, as the empire intended from the start.
  401. Can we discern the intentions of the puppet masters by watching how they direct Zelensky and the rest of the cast of characters?

    It may not fully discern, but it does cast light.

    European Empire puppet masters (e.g. Scholz, Macron) are directing the Kiev regime to fight without any strategy for a military victory. Thus, one has to suspect they are after something else. Could it be cover for Scholz desire to expand migration into Europe?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    Are you suggesting Scholz is working on a new Khazaria in Ukraine????

    Replies: @A123

  402. @Philip Owen
    @Beckow

    Britain had no army or airforce in 1938. Stalin, who did have a large army, was playing games or delusional. Britain successfully blockaded German ports from the first of the war onwards. Only the overland route through Iran and Russia kept Germany able to fight as vehicles and planes couldn't be made without rubber. The SU was happy to smuggle it and provide much more from its own resources.

    Vladimir Suzdal decided Ukraine was not part of their Russia in 1169. Kyiv was sacked for 3 days (foreigners) not one (yourown people). It hasn't been the same country since then.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow, @LatW, @Gerard1234

    Well, you doubled down on the irrelevant British myths…rubber? No kidding, so Britain “won WW2” because of rubber? Let me indulge you for a moment: Russia or Iran don’t produce rubber, wasn’t it coming from British-French colonies? Where was that “successful blockade”? I would remind you that all through WW2 the British-American investors were collecting dividends from their “German factories” through Swiss banks…so who really propped up Hitler?

    Even when you lie you do it now badly. Britain betrayed Central-Eastern Europe and sold us to Hiltler. The British twits wanted to direct Germany’s aggression to the east – only when Russia decisively defeated Germany in 1942-3 did Britain really join the war.

    Fine, most nations around WW2 did things that they shouldn’t have…but the insane British propaganda trying to re-write the history and then allying with the open Nazi-worshippers (like Banderites) was a step too far. I doubt the Brits will recover from this misstep – the British genocides around the world murdered 100-200 million people, by being arrogant twits in the last few years you brought the reconning on yourself. This was very stupid, the BoJo-old mad lady-Indian circus, the hysterical media and academic lying…how was it supposed to work?

  403. @AP
    @Beckow


    They also occupied the large indefensible buffer zone on its western borders (that was until 1918 a part of Russia) – without this buffer zone Russia would have no chance when Nazi Germany invaded ...80-90% of the German losses happened on the eastern front
     
    And without the 10%-20% losses on the Western front, and without the Western aid to the USSR - USSR would have lost the war.

    And of course you as usual fail to differentiate USSR from Russia. The distinction is important, because mixing the two leads to confusion. The USSR defeated Germany in World War II. Russia alone did not. Russia alone would not have had a chance.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …as usual fail to differentiate USSR from Russia.

    You cannot cherrypick what you like as USSR and assign all the bad stuff to Russia. You claim that Stalin, bolshies, holodomor, M-R… was all Russia’s fault. It is obviously untrue if you look who the people were, the Ukies were heavily represented.

    To be consistent we either use one or the other. When you start blaming Kaganovitch, Dzerzhinsky, Beria (Ukie, Pole, Georgian…) for what they did, then we can relabel Russia’s WW2 victory as USSR. But you must be consistent.

    without the 10%-20% losses on the Western front, and without the Western aid to the USSR – USSR would have lost the war.

    Russia won the war by mid-1943, Germany was defeated by then. The Western supplies to Russia started in substantial quantities in late 1943 – the numbers were something like 90% of supplies between summer 1943 and 1945. There was almost no material help until then – it wasn’t ready or the Anglos sat on it waiting to see who will win.

    10-20% German losses in the West happened almost fully in 1944-45. Are you saying that when Germany was defeated the Anglos started to actually fight and caused 10-15% of German losses? They came in because Germany was already defeated and not to “defeat” it…how many Anglos died liberating your lovely Poland? Lies have short legs…

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    You cannot cherrypick what you like as USSR and assign all the bad stuff to Russia
     
    Agree.

    You claim that Stalin, bolshies, holodomor, M-R… was all Russia’s fault
     
    It’s not. Nor is it Ukraine’s fault. Bolsheviks were an international gang who first took over Russia (they had failed to take over Ukraine) and then with Russia under their control they invaded and occupied Ukraine, creating the Soviet Union (of Russia, Ukraine, etc.). The territory they controlled was the USSR. They were Soviets. One could consider the Bolshevik regime of 1919 “Russia” but not after 1922.

    What next: Hasek, Dvorak were Austrians?

    When you start blaming Kaganovitch, Dzerzhinsky, Beria (Ukie, Pole, Georgian…) for what they did, then we can relabel Russia’s WW2 victory as USSR
     
    It’s about accuracy and truth. You try to desperately avoid that, using all sorts of excuses.

    World War II was won in the Eastern front by the Soviets, not only by Russians. Russians alone, without Ukrainian, Central Asian, etc. troops wouldn’t have had a chance to win that war.

    Lying that it was Russia leads to stupid ideas about “Russia’s” supposed invincibility.

    Russia won the war by mid-1943

     

    And there you go, advertising your stupidity.

    The Western supplies to Russia started in substantial quantities in late 1943
     
    No, they started in substantial quantities in the earlier part of that year, by summer. The Soviets were able to stop the Germans without Lend Lease but depended on it to defeat the Germans and drive them out. Massive number of trucks and railroad cars were shipped in. Stalin even admitted it.

    10-20% German losses in the West happened almost fully in 1944-45
     
    Not the Air Force losses. If Germany had been able to devote 100% of its military versus 80% to the conquest of the USSR it would have taken Moscow (which it nearly did, as it was).

    Replies: @LatW, @Derer, @Beckow

  404. @A123

    Can we discern the intentions of the puppet masters by watching how they direct Zelensky and the rest of the cast of characters?
     
    It may not fully discern, but it does cast light.

    European Empire puppet masters (e.g. Scholz, Macron) are directing the Kiev regime to fight without any strategy for a military victory. Thus, one has to suspect they are after something else. Could it be cover for Scholz desire to expand migration into Europe?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

    Are you suggesting Scholz is working on a new Khazaria in Ukraine????

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @QCIC


    Are you suggesting Scholz is working on a new Khazaria in Ukraine????
     
    Why would Islamophile Scholz want a new Khazaria in anti-Semitic, Neo-Nazi Ukraine???? I doubt such an idea even crossed his mind.

    Scholz wants to degenerate Germany into a 3rd world caliphate. I doubt he cares what happens to Kiev as long as the EU core gets mass flows of MENA & sub-Saharan Muslims on fake Ukrainian identity documents.

    PEACE 😇

  405. @QCIC
    @Mr. Hack

    This sort of thing is completely expected. The Russian government probably sees itself as fighting a precursor to WW3. In such a serious situation, there is little benefit in shielding civilians from hardship. Much better to have them share in the pain and inconvenience to motivate them to learn what is really going on.

    Utility problems are another opportunity to revive dormant sectors of the Russian economy which were apparently suppressed by "finance capitalism". As an example, the Russians have pursued their own development of modern small to medium size gas turbines for utilities. This is an area where foreign technology was favored over indigenous hardware until the sanctions blocked imports. The turbine development seems to be working out, though ramping up production may take a long time.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …The Russian government probably sees itself as fighting a precursor to WW3. In such a serious situation, there is little benefit in shielding civilians from hardship.

    I am afraid that is now true. It definitely wasn’t in 2022: Russia started the war to prevent WW3, they went out of their way to settle this ugly conflict. The West should had taken the deal, we would all be much better off – most of all the hapless Ukies.

    The civilian suffering is a precursor to an all-out war, it gets people mentally ready to accept it. We had two realistic options in 2022:
    – make a rational deal: neutral Ukraine, Crimea stays with Russia, autonomy in Donbas
    – escalate to a major war that can get out of control.

    The West chose the worse option and now they don’t know what to do. The option the West wanted was to have a nationalist bastion of Nato-Ukraine – it was not realistic once Russia moved. They can still retreat intact, but it is now a huge defeat instead of a remote border-security adjustment. But they chose it hoping for a miracle. You can’t help stupid.

  406. @QCIC
    @A123

    Are you suggesting Scholz is working on a new Khazaria in Ukraine????

    Replies: @A123

    Are you suggesting Scholz is working on a new Khazaria in Ukraine????

    Why would Islamophile Scholz want a new Khazaria in anti-Semitic, Neo-Nazi Ukraine???? I doubt such an idea even crossed his mind.

    Scholz wants to degenerate Germany into a 3rd world caliphate. I doubt he cares what happens to Kiev as long as the EU core gets mass flows of MENA & sub-Saharan Muslims on fake Ukrainian identity documents.

    PEACE 😇

  407. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    But people were programmed to take up and regurgitate the smear. As if the group ever had any relevancy in the US.
     
    People like me that pickup the phone and listen to relatives in Ukraine who tell me about the hardships that they have to endure because of the Russian invasion? Funny though, they never blame the neo-cons for this war, but squarely lay the blame at the feet of Russia and Putler. They must have fell for the "smear" unlike you? Their biggest complaint is that the neo-cons and other Americans are too slow in providing needed weaponry to push back the invaders.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @songbird

    People like me that pickup the phone and listen to relatives in Ukraine who tell me about the hardships that they have to endure because of the Russian invasion?

    Such invocations will not fool me; I have nothing more to say in the matter but this one truth: you are trying to dodge your obligation to watch a three hour Indian movie.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    If you can assure me that this 3 hr film includes some interesting information about the current war in Ukraine (or some other interesting reason to watch it), the "smear" as you've stated, I'll make every effort to watch this film tonight. I'm not at any liberty to put everything down and watch a 3 hour long movie at any time (I'm still working, cook meals for myself and my 91-year-old roommate, etc.) I didn't feel like I was "dodging my obligation" to watch this film, but certainly will watch it, if I deem it is important enough to do so. So far, all I know is that a part of the film was shot in Kyiv, and that some Ukrainians were employed to play some parts in it.

    I've recommended films for you in the past to watch before, ones where I've included intros and reasons why I thought they might appeal to you (all about 1.25 hours long). Why exactly are you recommending that I watch this film?

    Replies: @songbird

  408. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Sure, I think the feint theory makes more sense than the notion Russian military leaders are childish idiots. I realize the Russians committed a lot of men to the feint and lost heavily. I also realize that mistakes have been made throughout the SMO as in many wars. The fact that many of the ground troops in the column were so poorly prepared strongly suggests the Russians were rushed. Rushed as in they viewed it as an emergency. That would be consistent with committing the many helicopters and seasoned professional troops to attempt to take the airport. Apparently this had to be done and what was lost, as valuable as those men were, was worth what was accomplished by the feint. That speaks to one of my points: we do not know. Assuming they are idiots because you don't like them doesn't fit with other information we have that there are many competent professionals in the Russian military. If something they did doesn't make sense to me, so what?

    Fake and feint are not the same thing. Feint is what you do when you are in a weak position and want to change the situation.

    If you want me to speculate, I think the Russians needed to break up a sneak attack on Crimea. The feint on Kiev was part of how they accomplished this task. Early on a sneak attack on Crimea might have been temporarily successful. I can imagine NATO could have talked Ukraine into such a plan.

    I don't have much to say about the specifics of Ukrainian territory because I view the conflict as the West (US plus NATO) versus Russia. Ukraine is a pawn of the West, making this a proxy war. Ukraine will lose whatever territory Russia believes it needs to control to prevent this Western attack from happening again. I'm sure Russia has other goals of contracting NATO and removing USA missile bases in Eastern Europe. Since Russia knows the West will not negotiate in good faith, everything for the foreseeable future may boil down to raw force. The more this drags on the more likely it seems that all of Ukraine will be lost, if only to send an important message to the West.

    Great job, morons.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Sure, I think the feint theory makes more sense than the notion Russian military leaders are childish idiots.

    So when you see armored columns bunched together that exemplifies Russian military leadership to you? Have a look at this recent video:

    You do realize those vehicles are close enough to where an artillery shell can take out multiple vehicles? Spreading out vehicles to minimize artillery damage is a strategy that pre-dates WW1.

    They are in fact ignoring lessons that were used by Napolean.

    Rushed as in they viewed it as an emergency. That would be consistent with committing the many helicopters and seasoned professional troops to attempt to take the airport.

    Do explain what this feint was supposed to look like in the long term. Putin was only pretending to try and take the entire country? So you believe he would have given it back after saying “ha ha gotcha” or something?

    Do you believe the leaked plans to takeover Belarus are fake? Specifically does Putin plan on adding Belarus to Russia as a client state? Why would Putin not add Ukraine to Russia if he planned on doing the same for his loyal ally Belarus?

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Once the SMO began Ukraine's fate was sealed. At that point most of the negotiation is over. This is apparently what the West wanted and Ukraine will be left with the results. The question at the beginning was Dniepr, Bug or Dniester, where will Russia stop? Before things got to that point I assume Russia hoped a cohesive Russian-speaking group of countries was a natural state of affairs and maybe the details on a map did not matter so much.

    I think the Russian military (with Putin as the spokesman) wanted NATO out of Ukraine (now and in the future). If that goal could be accomplished without taking the entire country that is great. If that is impossible and taking the entire country by force is required to drive out NATO, then so be it. While you seem to be confused by various Russian press releases since this mess had started, the Russians were pretty clear. They are not stupid enough to lay out the details of their plan to make the masses happy. They are in Ukraine to drive out NATO influence and stop NATO's pressure tactics against Russia. Nuclear weapons use has not been ruled out.

    I don't have much opinion on battlefield events shown in random videos. In the future, maybe you will be able to read Russian books about what really happened in the opening months of the SMO. Were the moves intentional and why? Were they ridiculous errors? Were spies and saboteurs a major factor in the Russian military or just rampant incompetence and lack of training? Was it a feint and what was the purpose? What was the Russian deep state doing behind the scenes? Prigozhin WTF? What was going on at Azovstal 25 miles from the Russian border? What really happened to the Moskva? If Russia has the most advanced ballistic missiles and nuclear submarines, why don't they have enough boots? These are all open questions.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  409. @QCIC
    @Mikhail

    Don't forget he is a clown actor first, fake president second.

    Can we discern the intentions of the puppet masters by watching how they direct Zelensky and the rest of the cast of characters?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Can we discern the intentions of the puppet masters by watching how they direct Zelensky and the rest of the cast of characters?

    Why would we care? Russian task is simple: crush the Kiev puppets, make sure that the intentions of the puppeteers are thwarted, whatever these intentions might be.

    As is its habit, the empire will declare victory and leave with its tail between its legs. The Ukrainians will be the ones who suffered most, as the empire intended from the start.

  410. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    People like me that pickup the phone and listen to relatives in Ukraine who tell me about the hardships that they have to endure because of the Russian invasion?
     
    Such invocations will not fool me; I have nothing more to say in the matter but this one truth: you are trying to dodge your obligation to watch a three hour Indian movie.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    If you can assure me that this 3 hr film includes some interesting information about the current war in Ukraine (or some other interesting reason to watch it), the “smear” as you’ve stated, I’ll make every effort to watch this film tonight. I’m not at any liberty to put everything down and watch a 3 hour long movie at any time (I’m still working, cook meals for myself and my 91-year-old roommate, etc.) I didn’t feel like I was “dodging my obligation” to watch this film, but certainly will watch it, if I deem it is important enough to do so. So far, all I know is that a part of the film was shot in Kyiv, and that some Ukrainians were employed to play some parts in it.

    I’ve recommended films for you in the past to watch before, ones where I’ve included intros and reasons why I thought they might appeal to you (all about 1.25 hours long). Why exactly are you recommending that I watch this film?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    If you can assure me that this 3 hr film includes some interesting information about the current war in Ukraine

     

    well, it was shot before the war began, but perhaps, there is something oracular in it.

    I’ve recommended films for you in the past to watch before, ones where I’ve included intros and reasons why I thought they might appeal to you (all about 1.25 hours long).
     
    I seem to recall that you tried to get me to watch a 12 hour series, even after I tried the first episode, and said I didn't enjoy it, and attempted to shunt you off on German_reader, who likely never even read the book, despite demonstrating a keen interest in the material from which it drew.

    Why exactly are you recommending that I watch this film?
     
    Because you claimed an interest in Sher Singh's culture (Telegu though the film is, there are shared elements).

    Though, really all my responses to you thus far have been tongue-in-cheek, starting with the suggestion that you are obligated to watch a three hour Indian film.

    Think I have already addressed all my political points on the war in Ukraine before, and don't enjoy rehashing, as I am not a member of either faction, and can't blow off steam that way.

    My guess is that when you post Putin cartoons, it is like you yourself are doodling, and when you say "Putler", it is like you are swearing, and blowing off steam.

    But I just wish Putler and Zetler would come to the peace table together.

    Replies: @German_reader

  411. @Philip Owen
    @Beckow

    Britain had no army or airforce in 1938. Stalin, who did have a large army, was playing games or delusional. Britain successfully blockaded German ports from the first of the war onwards. Only the overland route through Iran and Russia kept Germany able to fight as vehicles and planes couldn't be made without rubber. The SU was happy to smuggle it and provide much more from its own resources.

    Vladimir Suzdal decided Ukraine was not part of their Russia in 1169. Kyiv was sacked for 3 days (foreigners) not one (yourown people). It hasn't been the same country since then.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow, @LatW, @Gerard1234

    Vladimir Suzdal decided Ukraine was not part of their Russia in 1169.

    It might run even deeper than that – who lived in Suzdal’? How exactly did the population of Suzdal’ differ from that of Kyiv.. those are interesting questions.

    Apparently, originally it was a mixed population of Slavs and a Finno-Ugric tribe Merya, their neighbors were Mordvins. There were a lot more Finno-Ugrics at that time (tens of millions apparently), but then they shrank very rapidly and were assimilated by Slavs.

    Suzdal’ is not a big place, but it is one of the indigenous, founding places of Russia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meryans

    An approximate ethno-linguistic map of Kievan Rus’ in the 9th century: Five Volga Finnic groups of the Merya, Mari, Muromians, Meshchera and Mordvins are shown as surrounded by the Slavs to the west; the three Finnic groups of the Veps, Ests and Chuds, and Indo-European Balts to the northwest; the Permians to the northeast the (Turkic) Bulghars and Khazars to the southeast and south.

    • Thanks: Philip Owen
    • LOL: Mikhail
  412. @AP
    Ukraine has managed to do a better job of ending Russian efforts to stop shipping from Odesa, than the West has done in preventing the Houthis from shutting down trade through the Red Sea :-)

    “ Ukraine has effectively countered Russia's blockade in the Black Sea by establishing an alternative shipping corridor, crucial for maintaining trade — The Economist.

    This corridor, initiated after a grain deal collapse, has seen nearly 500 vessels navigate safely through Ukrainian ports. Despite the inherent risks, including missile attacks and drone threats, Ukraine has managed to restore trade volumes in the Odessa region to nearly pre-war levels.”

    “ The strategic importance of this alternative route is underscored by the fact that 60% of Ukraine's trade used to pass through its deep-sea ports before Russia's economic blockade. The corridor, carefully selected to avoid Russian submarines and backed by shore artillery, has not only proven successful but has also witnessed a significant reduction in insurance costs for ships using the route.”




    https://twitter.com/gerashchenko_en/status/1753026394508956023?s=46&t=Qz3eXZWFYIvyHmaAk32tcg

    Replies: @QCIC, @AnonfromTN, @Derer, @Gerard1234

    Ukraine has managed to do a better job of ending Russian efforts to stop shipping from Odesa, than the West has done in preventing the Houthis from shutting down trade through the Red Sea 🙂

    Its staggering that such a dumb bimbo f**kup exists as yourself, that can write such obviously stupid things

    1. Russia was enabling the shipping from Odessa you laughable POS. Millions of tonnes of grain and other products were shipped from Odessa under this deal that was working fine. Russian ships guiding them through the route and conducting regular minesweeper patrols (the need for this caused by……!!!!!) . Ukronazis have “ended” f**k all by Russia you thick idiot.

    2. Hilariously 404, in desire for a fake PR victory, fake peremoga, have released Black Sea Fleet from obligations to ensure safe passage of and checking ukrop cargo on commercial shipping…….and generously given Russian military a free ticket to destroy every grain silo, every docking terminal, depot, any part of port infrastructure that they wish to you thick imbecile. Zero point in shipping if there is nothing to transport LMAO. All shipping activity allowed in last few months is from political/economic considerations of Russia and ZERO military connection. Insurance costs for commercial ships to our own ports are reduced if its not actually the ships, but the port infrastructure itself targeted.

    3.Part of the optical illusion about “increased shipping from Odessa” is precisely because the Danube ports like Izmail and the others have successfully been targeted by Russian missiles and drones you dumb prick since the end of the grain deal. Once again, how stupid do you have to be to not understand this? Cargo that should have been unloaded at the Danube ports in recent months has shifted to Odessa.

    4. This pitiful idiotic route is of course a failure, and its a longer, slower route that is actually more dangerous

    5.Far more important is the overall context of everything – the grain harvest was massively down for the last year for 404, this year the yield will be even less and far less hectares have been able to be sowed for a variety of reasons – all related to the SMO. Less grain grown to be harvested,more fallow land, Russia controlling a sizeable part of land of Ukraine agricultural exports, Russia controlling the land and infrastructure of most of (previous) 404’s sizeable metallurgical exports…but on the other scale – Ukronazi /NATO sick destruction of Novaya Kakovka dam wrecking huge area of farmland

    6. Not only has the banking, sporting, technology sectors become victims of western geopolitics……it now appears the Insurance industry is new one. NATO insurance companies now appear to be in existence to give the fake impression on insurance for these ships, because if Banderastan (for the first time) isn’t lying about the shipping insurance going down (from very very high to just high level) – there would be zero chance this has followed accepted Insurance practice.

    7. So, as is obvious, 404 has done f**k all to stop Russian “blockade” you dipshit. We have commitments to Turkey, China……and it looks like with the large buildup of grain since February 2022 – 404 and their farmers are desperate to export at any price (with the price now significantly down too adding to desperation) , so African and other poor countries may actually receive grain this time, which is completely different to the time of the grain deal when under the PR exercise of “poor African countries starving” was actually a trick to deliver more grain for western countries. In addition, Polish scum using their prostitute Slave in 404, and Lithuanian dickheads who for Klaipeda port by banning Russian & Belarus rail cargo( so the dockers have nothing to do) are creating more of this illusion about ship traffic and volumes of cargo from the Black Sea as these desperate freaks make 404 transport or receive their own cargo which for Klaipeda then goes to Scandinavia, primarily.

    8. What stopped the grain deal was Ukronazis targeting the Crimean bridge (again) and Russian ships guiding the commercial ships for the deal and even the minesweepers. The first terrorist scumbag attack on the Crimean bridge that used and killed civilians, is what lead Russia to give to 404 to the energy infrastructure disaster (LOL – although not for subhuman excrement as yourself who has zero connections to Ukraine and so will not know anybody affected by it). So evil, pointless, stupid and effectively self-sabotaging PR scumbag actions that leave 404 in even worse position than before

    9.Going back to your bimbo nonsense about “stopping” Russia – you are referring to damage to our ships…….but that has little connection to how we can practically effect a blockade of Odessa /all of Black Sea you retard.Danube ports depends on “official” rules of engagement of Romanian AD…… And most importantly that these are ALL western operations not ukrop amoebas you stupid POS. Its like crediting the Egyptians for defeating the Nazis in North Africa in WW2. Ukrop naval operations are even more directly 100% controlled by the west than the air force!! Obviously the same applies to the army. Houthis is with Iranian help….not Iranian control and micromanagement.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234

    So much desperate screeching from you, but the bottom line is that after Russia ended the agreement to allow grain to be shipped from Ukraine, Ukrainian attacks on Russian Black Sea assets opened the western Black Sea to shipping. Russia can barely use Sevastopol now, and it can no longer stop Ukraine from exporting out of the Black Sea.


    the grain harvest was massively down for the last year for 404, this year the yield will be even less
     
    In December, Ukraine exported more grain than it did during any month during the lapsed grain deal with Russia:

    https://www.gro-intelligence.com/insights/ukraine-grain-exports-reach-highest-levels-since-the-war-began

    "Ukraine exported 1.73 million tonnes of wheat and 3.45 million tonnes of corn in December, up 34% and 45%, respectively, from the prior month. Ukraine’s December’s shipments, while still below prewar levels, represent larger export volumes than in almost any month under the now-lapsed Black Sea Grain Initiative. Ukraine typically exported upward of 6 million tonnes per month of corn and wheat combined before the war began. "

    Russia had hoped that by ending the grain deal they would have down much more. But then Ukraine unblocked the western Black Sea.

    how we can practically effect a blockade of Odessa /all of Black Sea
     
    We see above how effectively the Black Sea ports are "blocked" by Russia nowadays.

    Part of the optical illusion about “increased shipping from Odessa” is precisely because the Danube ports like Izmail and the others have successfully been targeted by Russian missiles and drones you....Cargo that should have been unloaded at the Danube ports in recent months has shifted to Odessa
     
    Except the overall volume of export has increased and is much higher than it had been before those facilities in Izmail were bombed. Another failed excuse by you.
  413. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Sure, I think the feint theory makes more sense than the notion Russian military leaders are childish idiots.

    So when you see armored columns bunched together that exemplifies Russian military leadership to you? Have a look at this recent video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DoPLVitqv0

    You do realize those vehicles are close enough to where an artillery shell can take out multiple vehicles? Spreading out vehicles to minimize artillery damage is a strategy that pre-dates WW1.

    They are in fact ignoring lessons that were used by Napolean.

    Rushed as in they viewed it as an emergency. That would be consistent with committing the many helicopters and seasoned professional troops to attempt to take the airport.

    Do explain what this feint was supposed to look like in the long term. Putin was only pretending to try and take the entire country? So you believe he would have given it back after saying "ha ha gotcha" or something?

    Do you believe the leaked plans to takeover Belarus are fake? Specifically does Putin plan on adding Belarus to Russia as a client state? Why would Putin not add Ukraine to Russia if he planned on doing the same for his loyal ally Belarus?

    Replies: @QCIC

    Once the SMO began Ukraine’s fate was sealed. At that point most of the negotiation is over. This is apparently what the West wanted and Ukraine will be left with the results. The question at the beginning was Dniepr, Bug or Dniester, where will Russia stop? Before things got to that point I assume Russia hoped a cohesive Russian-speaking group of countries was a natural state of affairs and maybe the details on a map did not matter so much.

    I think the Russian military (with Putin as the spokesman) wanted NATO out of Ukraine (now and in the future). If that goal could be accomplished without taking the entire country that is great. If that is impossible and taking the entire country by force is required to drive out NATO, then so be it. While you seem to be confused by various Russian press releases since this mess had started, the Russians were pretty clear. They are not stupid enough to lay out the details of their plan to make the masses happy. They are in Ukraine to drive out NATO influence and stop NATO’s pressure tactics against Russia. Nuclear weapons use has not been ruled out.

    I don’t have much opinion on battlefield events shown in random videos. In the future, maybe you will be able to read Russian books about what really happened in the opening months of the SMO. Were the moves intentional and why? Were they ridiculous errors? Were spies and saboteurs a major factor in the Russian military or just rampant incompetence and lack of training? Was it a feint and what was the purpose? What was the Russian deep state doing behind the scenes? Prigozhin WTF? What was going on at Azovstal 25 miles from the Russian border? What really happened to the Moskva? If Russia has the most advanced ballistic missiles and nuclear submarines, why don’t they have enough boots? These are all open questions.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Once the SMO began Ukraine’s fate was sealed.

    What fate would that be?

    Putin started this war by declaring that his invasion was required to stop the Eastern expansion of NATO. Well that didn't happen and he in fact pushed Finland into joining which makes the goal a failure. Ukraine will be closer to qualifying if they walk with a static border.

    This is apparently what the West wanted and Ukraine will be left with the results.

    The West along with 98% of the UN would have preferred Russia to stay in its borders. They voted on it and ruled Russia as the unjust aggressor.

    Before things got to that point I assume Russia hoped a cohesive Russian-speaking group of countries was a natural state of affairs and maybe the details on a map did not matter so much.

    DPR/LPR had defacto autonomy. Putin signed a decree stating that DPR/LPR will become independent Republics. What is your take on why he broke that decree within months?

    I think the Russian military (with Putin as the spokesman) wanted NATO out of Ukraine (now and in the future).

    He specifically stated that he did not want NATO to move East and that goal failed.

    While you seem to be confused by various Russian press releases since this mess had started

    I'm not confused by Russian press releases. I've never quoted them and I mostly quote Russia News to mock them. Putin's invasion speech is public record and was recorded by various agencies worldwide. Here is a copy where he clearly stated that stopping the Eastward expansion of NATO is the primary goal:
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/putins-speech-declaring-war-on-ukraine-translated-excerpts


    I am referring to what causes us particular concern and anxiety – those fundamental threats against our country that year after year, step by step, are offensively and unceremoniously created by irresponsible politicians in the West.

    “I am referring to the expansion of the NATO to the east, moving its military infrastructure closer to Russian borders.
     

    That explanation never made sense given that NATO was already on the border via the Baltics.

    So if you quote either me or Putin then please do it properly. I'm not confused about anything that comes from Russia. I've used clear sources while you have consistently tried to imagine or distort what Putin actually said.

    In the future, maybe you will be able to read Russian books about what really happened in the opening months of the SMO.

    Yes and the full invasion plans will be released and you will have to admit you were wrong about it being a feint. Putin did not send a 40 mile column of armor and trucks at Kiev to only make it appear as if he wanted to take the entire country. That is incredibly delusional.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC

  414. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    If you can assure me that this 3 hr film includes some interesting information about the current war in Ukraine (or some other interesting reason to watch it), the "smear" as you've stated, I'll make every effort to watch this film tonight. I'm not at any liberty to put everything down and watch a 3 hour long movie at any time (I'm still working, cook meals for myself and my 91-year-old roommate, etc.) I didn't feel like I was "dodging my obligation" to watch this film, but certainly will watch it, if I deem it is important enough to do so. So far, all I know is that a part of the film was shot in Kyiv, and that some Ukrainians were employed to play some parts in it.

    I've recommended films for you in the past to watch before, ones where I've included intros and reasons why I thought they might appeal to you (all about 1.25 hours long). Why exactly are you recommending that I watch this film?

    Replies: @songbird

    If you can assure me that this 3 hr film includes some interesting information about the current war in Ukraine

    well, it was shot before the war began, but perhaps, there is something oracular in it.

    I’ve recommended films for you in the past to watch before, ones where I’ve included intros and reasons why I thought they might appeal to you (all about 1.25 hours long).

    I seem to recall that you tried to get me to watch a 12 hour series, even after I tried the first episode, and said I didn’t enjoy it, and attempted to shunt you off on German_reader, who likely never even read the book, despite demonstrating a keen interest in the material from which it drew.

    Why exactly are you recommending that I watch this film?

    Because you claimed an interest in Sher Singh’s culture (Telegu though the film is, there are shared elements).

    Though, really all my responses to you thus far have been tongue-in-cheek, starting with the suggestion that you are obligated to watch a three hour Indian film.

    Think I have already addressed all my political points on the war in Ukraine before, and don’t enjoy rehashing, as I am not a member of either faction, and can’t blow off steam that way.

    My guess is that when you post Putin cartoons, it is like you yourself are doodling, and when you say “Putler”, it is like you are swearing, and blowing off steam.

    But I just wish Putler and Zetler would come to the peace table together.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    and attempted to shunt you off on German_reader, who likely never even read the book, despite demonstrating a keen interest in the material from which it drew.
     

    Is that a reference to that I Claudius series that was once discussed here? Yeah, no interest in that. Honestly seems quite degenerate to me to create something with such a figure as the hero/sympathetic protagonist (a bit like writing a novel/making a tv series where you're meant to sympathize with Mr XYZ, who's presented as a great scholar for his profound alt-history thought, and a humanitarian for his desire to alleviate the plight of virtuous pedos with child sex robots...imagine a guy like that as emperor).
    Anyway, since you expressed an interest in this before, maybe interesting:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2024-ai-unlock-ancient-world-secrets/?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTcwNzE0MTk5MywiZXhwIjoxNzA3NzQ2NzkzLCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJTOERZV0lUMEFGQjQwMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiI5MTM4NzMzNDcyQkY0QjlGQTg0OTI3QTVBRjY1QzBCRiJ9.2YLiwKjMPV2UTnBJDAJSjcpwWTQQ-9YKaKnB1NIX7p0

    Much of the article is bs (no, they're not going to find anything related to early Christianity, bizarre idea, and probably not much great poetry, history etc. either, just more 2nd rate philosophy), also seems a bit overly panegyrical (I guess they want to show that occasionally rich Jews use their money for something other than subverting Western societies or trying to bring about war with Iran?), but it seems like it's confirmed now they've finally made a real breakthrough and it will be possible in future to read much of the scrolls.

    Replies: @songbird

  415. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...as usual fail to differentiate USSR from Russia.
     
    You cannot cherrypick what you like as USSR and assign all the bad stuff to Russia. You claim that Stalin, bolshies, holodomor, M-R... was all Russia's fault. It is obviously untrue if you look who the people were, the Ukies were heavily represented.

    To be consistent we either use one or the other. When you start blaming Kaganovitch, Dzerzhinsky, Beria (Ukie, Pole, Georgian...) for what they did, then we can relabel Russia's WW2 victory as USSR. But you must be consistent.


    without the 10%-20% losses on the Western front, and without the Western aid to the USSR – USSR would have lost the war.
     
    Russia won the war by mid-1943, Germany was defeated by then. The Western supplies to Russia started in substantial quantities in late 1943 - the numbers were something like 90% of supplies between summer 1943 and 1945. There was almost no material help until then - it wasn't ready or the Anglos sat on it waiting to see who will win.

    10-20% German losses in the West happened almost fully in 1944-45. Are you saying that when Germany was defeated the Anglos started to actually fight and caused 10-15% of German losses? They came in because Germany was already defeated and not to "defeat" it...how many Anglos died liberating your lovely Poland? Lies have short legs...

    Replies: @AP

    You cannot cherrypick what you like as USSR and assign all the bad stuff to Russia

    Agree.

    You claim that Stalin, bolshies, holodomor, M-R… was all Russia’s fault

    It’s not. Nor is it Ukraine’s fault. Bolsheviks were an international gang who first took over Russia (they had failed to take over Ukraine) and then with Russia under their control they invaded and occupied Ukraine, creating the Soviet Union (of Russia, Ukraine, etc.). The territory they controlled was the USSR. They were Soviets. One could consider the Bolshevik regime of 1919 “Russia” but not after 1922.

    What next: Hasek, Dvorak were Austrians?

    When you start blaming Kaganovitch, Dzerzhinsky, Beria (Ukie, Pole, Georgian…) for what they did, then we can relabel Russia’s WW2 victory as USSR

    It’s about accuracy and truth. You try to desperately avoid that, using all sorts of excuses.

    World War II was won in the Eastern front by the Soviets, not only by Russians. Russians alone, without Ukrainian, Central Asian, etc. troops wouldn’t have had a chance to win that war.

    Lying that it was Russia leads to stupid ideas about “Russia’s” supposed invincibility.

    Russia won the war by mid-1943

    And there you go, advertising your stupidity.

    The Western supplies to Russia started in substantial quantities in late 1943

    No, they started in substantial quantities in the earlier part of that year, by summer. The Soviets were able to stop the Germans without Lend Lease but depended on it to defeat the Germans and drive them out. Massive number of trucks and railroad cars were shipped in. Stalin even admitted it.

    10-20% German losses in the West happened almost fully in 1944-45

    Not the Air Force losses. If Germany had been able to devote 100% of its military versus 80% to the conquest of the USSR it would have taken Moscow (which it nearly did, as it was).

    • Replies: @LatW
    @AP



    Russia won the war by mid-1943

     

    And there you go, advertising your stupidity.
     
    But what is spectacular is that he literally admitted just a couple of posts above that "Russia could not have won without that buffer" - e.g., the occupied lands in the Baltic together with the other, non-RSSR, constituent parts of the USSR. He was writing this when he was coming up with the excuse of why "Russia" had to occupy all those lands and exploit those peoples, and why this mystical "Russia" (read Moscow) has a right to act like a total jerk towards everyone else ("for self-defense!!!" Because "Drang nach Osten"!!! LOL).

    Places occupied by the Germans such as Ostland and Ukraine most likely suffered more per capita. Through the occupation and not because of local incompetence or brutality of local leaders. Someone should bring up those numbers.

    Mark Solonin recently posted about the General Plan Ost - at least, according to his research, this was mostly an agriculture focused colonization plan for the Baltics (especially coastal and fertile areas, which are ample) as well as large parts of Ukraine (same, fertile land). Something along the lines of Walther Darré maybe. I'm not even sure about how the Wehrbauer (soldier-farmer) idea even featured in this - I mean, ofc, they would occupy and colonize as soldiers, but would they have stayed that way later on?

    So essentially it was about the Intermarium already then (although it's probably an old colonization dream from way back). So a slightly different picture there than some imagined culling of "Russians" on "Russia proper". Not claiming this was true, it's just Solonin's version.

    Of course, it's still totally possible that they wanted this and some parts of the actual "Russia" on top of that. Or they may have wanted their own buffer eastwards to protect the Intermarium agro lands (the Blut und Boden).

    And, btw, more accurate language needs to be used - for example, Putin uses the term "historical Russia", and this is not the same as the Russia Federation, but it is in fact the Russian Empire in the 19th century. This creates a lot of misunderstanding, same as mixing up "Russia" with the USSR.

    Btw, anecdotally, I've heard Ukrainians talk about how their grandparents were still using some household items that had come from the Lend Lease in the 1980s or so.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Derer
    @AP

    "If Germany had been able to devote 100% of its military versus 80% to the conquest of the USSR it would have taken Moscow"

    Remember, 90% of German MILITARY death occurred at the East front and 90% of German CIVILIAN death occurred at the West front. You will not find this in the American textbooks - only over-promoted and celebrated Normandy invasions, when the Wehrmacht was essentially defeated by the Soviet great offensive drive.

    Do not take this heroic accomplishment and memory of 27 million Slavs perished from the perennial hate.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Beckow
    @AP


    ...What next: Hasek, Dvorak were Austrians?
     
    Hasek was a Czech Red guard who fought on the Bolshie side. He drunk a lot and was funny. There is more to Czechs than your infantile projections...learn something.

    "The Western supplies to Russia started in substantial quantities in late 1943"

    No, they started in substantial quantities in the earlier part of that year, by summer
     

    Yes, that's what I said: Germany was defeated by mid-1943 by Russians and the Anglo material help started in summer 1943, there was little use for it until late 1943 - do you understand basic logistics and how it works? The material helped but by then the Nazis were defeated - it follows that Russians won the war before the Anglos joined in. Even when you lie you remain incoherent.

    When you start using everything about USSR consistently and not always blame all the bad stuff on "Russians", we will switch back to calling it the WW2 USSR victory. Since you refuse to do that and have allied with the Banderites and Waffen SS killers you don't get to include yourself on the winning side. It is too bad for a lot of decent Ukies who died fighting Nazism.

    How about that "paused" offensive? What a cluster-f..k for the Ukies, how is this a good thing? How can a large, prosperous nation with a golden geography screw us so badly...

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

  416. @AP
    @Beckow


    You cannot cherrypick what you like as USSR and assign all the bad stuff to Russia
     
    Agree.

    You claim that Stalin, bolshies, holodomor, M-R… was all Russia’s fault
     
    It’s not. Nor is it Ukraine’s fault. Bolsheviks were an international gang who first took over Russia (they had failed to take over Ukraine) and then with Russia under their control they invaded and occupied Ukraine, creating the Soviet Union (of Russia, Ukraine, etc.). The territory they controlled was the USSR. They were Soviets. One could consider the Bolshevik regime of 1919 “Russia” but not after 1922.

    What next: Hasek, Dvorak were Austrians?

    When you start blaming Kaganovitch, Dzerzhinsky, Beria (Ukie, Pole, Georgian…) for what they did, then we can relabel Russia’s WW2 victory as USSR
     
    It’s about accuracy and truth. You try to desperately avoid that, using all sorts of excuses.

    World War II was won in the Eastern front by the Soviets, not only by Russians. Russians alone, without Ukrainian, Central Asian, etc. troops wouldn’t have had a chance to win that war.

    Lying that it was Russia leads to stupid ideas about “Russia’s” supposed invincibility.

    Russia won the war by mid-1943

     

    And there you go, advertising your stupidity.

    The Western supplies to Russia started in substantial quantities in late 1943
     
    No, they started in substantial quantities in the earlier part of that year, by summer. The Soviets were able to stop the Germans without Lend Lease but depended on it to defeat the Germans and drive them out. Massive number of trucks and railroad cars were shipped in. Stalin even admitted it.

    10-20% German losses in the West happened almost fully in 1944-45
     
    Not the Air Force losses. If Germany had been able to devote 100% of its military versus 80% to the conquest of the USSR it would have taken Moscow (which it nearly did, as it was).

    Replies: @LatW, @Derer, @Beckow

    Russia won the war by mid-1943

    And there you go, advertising your stupidity.

    But what is spectacular is that he literally admitted just a couple of posts above that “Russia could not have won without that buffer” – e.g., the occupied lands in the Baltic together with the other, non-RSSR, constituent parts of the USSR. He was writing this when he was coming up with the excuse of why “Russia” had to occupy all those lands and exploit those peoples, and why this mystical “Russia” (read Moscow) has a right to act like a total jerk towards everyone else (“for self-defense!!!” Because “Drang nach Osten“!!! LOL).

    Places occupied by the Germans such as Ostland and Ukraine most likely suffered more per capita. Through the occupation and not because of local incompetence or brutality of local leaders. Someone should bring up those numbers.

    Mark Solonin recently posted about the General Plan Ost – at least, according to his research, this was mostly an agriculture focused colonization plan for the Baltics (especially coastal and fertile areas, which are ample) as well as large parts of Ukraine (same, fertile land). Something along the lines of Walther Darré maybe. I’m not even sure about how the Wehrbauer (soldier-farmer) idea even featured in this – I mean, ofc, they would occupy and colonize as soldiers, but would they have stayed that way later on?

    So essentially it was about the Intermarium already then (although it’s probably an old colonization dream from way back). So a slightly different picture there than some imagined culling of “Russians” on “Russia proper”. Not claiming this was true, it’s just Solonin’s version.

    Of course, it’s still totally possible that they wanted this and some parts of the actual “Russia” on top of that. Or they may have wanted their own buffer eastwards to protect the Intermarium agro lands (the Blut und Boden).

    And, btw, more accurate language needs to be used – for example, Putin uses the term “historical Russia”, and this is not the same as the Russia Federation, but it is in fact the Russian Empire in the 19th century. This creates a lot of misunderstanding, same as mixing up “Russia” with the USSR.

    Btw, anecdotally, I’ve heard Ukrainians talk about how their grandparents were still using some household items that had come from the Lend Lease in the 1980s or so.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    If Hitler's Table Talk is to be believed (I know that there are some issues about its translation accuracy), Hitler said that he wanted Russia to be Germany's version of India. Except he also wanted settler colonialism there on top of that. He advocated redrawing the German-Slav ethnic border significantly to Germany's benefit. Though there would be a limit as to just how many settlers Germany would be able to send eastwards, even if it permanently kept a TFR of ~2.5 under Nazi rule.

    Replies: @LatW

  417. @Philip Owen
    @Beckow

    On the matter of a lack of historical sense, the Soviet Union's participation in WW2 began in 1939 with the invasions of Poland, Finland, Estonia, Lativa, Lithuania and Romania. 1941 was merely changing sides (and not out of moral consideration). The Soviet Union was perfectly happy with fascism in 1939. Soviet and Putinist propaganda since then has been a denial of these facts.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @Gerard1234

    On the matter of a lack of historical sense, the Soviet Union’s participation in WW2 began in 1939 with the invasions of Poland, Finland, Estonia, Lativa, Lithuania and Romania.

    1. Polish state had ceased o exist as a state during our “participation” in WW2, you dumb 70 year old incel fuckup who has no right to oxygen. Their gutless fascist government had ran away and their military annihilated in quick time already before Soviets entered Poland. Soviets took correct advantage of the only good piece of British diplomacy in history , the Curzon line (well, more or less). Preventative zone established for serious ( and as history proved ,justified) threat of Nazi attack does not classify as “invasion”.

    2.Finland Nazis refused Russia offer of exchange of land north of Saint Petersburg for TWICE the amount of land in Karelia ( exchange offered to create safe area from potential Nazi attack on 1 of our top 2 most important cities). Almost certainly rejected because of Nazi and Anglo-elite scum pressure not to do agreement with USSR. Soviet offer of course fully justified from how events then occured……Finnish scum did invade USSR and take part in Siege of Leningrad, Nazis did attack USSR and Leningrad from this direction. Finns unable to honour agreements

    3. Romania was Nazi ally, and oil supplier. There was never any agreement with Soviet Union recognising annexation of Bessarabia by Romania during the Russian civil war during the entire interwar period. So no “invasion” just legally correct action……..northern Bukovina was done for fun……and to the great advantage of Ukronazis.

    4. All 3 Baltics were fascist dictatorships who, again, weren’t honouring perfectly justified security arrangements with USSR. That they destroyed the parliamentary system, then enabled USSR to recreate it – and subsequently vote for incorporation into USSR (Communist party had all been banned and jailed long before) is their fault.
    Lithuania military was already in Autumn 1939 in land liberated by Soviets from Poland you useless prick, when you idiotically talk about their” invasion”. Defensive actions are not “invasions” you POS. These are not acts of conquest.

    5. Isn’t it a joke that in our history of getting the very best western talent to come to our country over the centuries……failed, lowlife trash is what we have now. WTF is scum like you doing in Russia? Surely the boy child sex trade is better supplier for a POS like you in Vietnam or the Philippines?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Gerard1234


    All 3 Baltics were fascist dictatorships
     
    Please use historically correct terminology, especially when talking about an important and specific time period such as the 1930s. Nobody allowed real fascists into power in authoritarian Eastern Euro states - not in the Baltics (the Thundercross in Latvia had problems with the government) nor Codreanu in Romania, who was persecuted (and whose whole political and even spiritual life was one big struggle and resistance). There were simply too few of them. Quality over quantity, you see. :)

    Of course, you being a rabid and undereducated Sovok, I'm not expecting you to be able to use proper language and to distinguish the relevant terms.


    weren’t honouring perfectly justified security arrangements with USSR
     
    How about not spying on us and not supporting fifth columnists starting as early as the 1920s?

    That they destroyed the parliamentary system
     
    That was none of your business. Especially since your own barely literate population didn't have anything even resembling functioning parliamentarianism at that time. And most likely never will.

    then enabled USSR to recreate it
     
    Yours were unable to create anything truly political. Your only politics is CheKa.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  418. @Gerard1234
    @Philip Owen


    On the matter of a lack of historical sense, the Soviet Union’s participation in WW2 began in 1939 with the invasions of Poland, Finland, Estonia, Lativa, Lithuania and Romania.
     
    1. Polish state had ceased o exist as a state during our "participation" in WW2, you dumb 70 year old incel fuckup who has no right to oxygen. Their gutless fascist government had ran away and their military annihilated in quick time already before Soviets entered Poland. Soviets took correct advantage of the only good piece of British diplomacy in history , the Curzon line (well, more or less). Preventative zone established for serious ( and as history proved ,justified) threat of Nazi attack does not classify as "invasion".

    2.Finland Nazis refused Russia offer of exchange of land north of Saint Petersburg for TWICE the amount of land in Karelia ( exchange offered to create safe area from potential Nazi attack on 1 of our top 2 most important cities). Almost certainly rejected because of Nazi and Anglo-elite scum pressure not to do agreement with USSR. Soviet offer of course fully justified from how events then occured......Finnish scum did invade USSR and take part in Siege of Leningrad, Nazis did attack USSR and Leningrad from this direction. Finns unable to honour agreements


    3. Romania was Nazi ally, and oil supplier. There was never any agreement with Soviet Union recognising annexation of Bessarabia by Romania during the Russian civil war during the entire interwar period. So no "invasion" just legally correct action........northern Bukovina was done for fun......and to the great advantage of Ukronazis.

    4. All 3 Baltics were fascist dictatorships who, again, weren't honouring perfectly justified security arrangements with USSR. That they destroyed the parliamentary system, then enabled USSR to recreate it - and subsequently vote for incorporation into USSR (Communist party had all been banned and jailed long before) is their fault.
    Lithuania military was already in Autumn 1939 in land liberated by Soviets from Poland you useless prick, when you idiotically talk about their" invasion". Defensive actions are not "invasions" you POS. These are not acts of conquest.

    5. Isn't it a joke that in our history of getting the very best western talent to come to our country over the centuries......failed, lowlife trash is what we have now. WTF is scum like you doing in Russia? Surely the boy child sex trade is better supplier for a POS like you in Vietnam or the Philippines?

    Replies: @LatW

    All 3 Baltics were fascist dictatorships

    Please use historically correct terminology, especially when talking about an important and specific time period such as the 1930s. Nobody allowed real fascists into power in authoritarian Eastern Euro states – not in the Baltics (the Thundercross in Latvia had problems with the government) nor Codreanu in Romania, who was persecuted (and whose whole political and even spiritual life was one big struggle and resistance). There were simply too few of them. Quality over quantity, you see. 🙂

    Of course, you being a rabid and undereducated Sovok, I’m not expecting you to be able to use proper language and to distinguish the relevant terms.

    weren’t honouring perfectly justified security arrangements with USSR

    How about not spying on us and not supporting fifth columnists starting as early as the 1920s?

    That they destroyed the parliamentary system

    That was none of your business. Especially since your own barely literate population didn’t have anything even resembling functioning parliamentarianism at that time. And most likely never will.

    then enabled USSR to recreate it

    Yours were unable to create anything truly political. Your only politics is CheKa.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @LatW


    Yours were unable to create anything truly political. Your only politics is CheKa.
     
    Cheka was Felix, the great, languid, effervescent,pious, kind Pole.

    Zemsky Sobor was political and democratic.........since 2000 many , many other things.

    I don't like the rude and aggressive tone of your comment

    Replies: @LatW

  419. @AP
    @Beckow


    You cannot cherrypick what you like as USSR and assign all the bad stuff to Russia
     
    Agree.

    You claim that Stalin, bolshies, holodomor, M-R… was all Russia’s fault
     
    It’s not. Nor is it Ukraine’s fault. Bolsheviks were an international gang who first took over Russia (they had failed to take over Ukraine) and then with Russia under their control they invaded and occupied Ukraine, creating the Soviet Union (of Russia, Ukraine, etc.). The territory they controlled was the USSR. They were Soviets. One could consider the Bolshevik regime of 1919 “Russia” but not after 1922.

    What next: Hasek, Dvorak were Austrians?

    When you start blaming Kaganovitch, Dzerzhinsky, Beria (Ukie, Pole, Georgian…) for what they did, then we can relabel Russia’s WW2 victory as USSR
     
    It’s about accuracy and truth. You try to desperately avoid that, using all sorts of excuses.

    World War II was won in the Eastern front by the Soviets, not only by Russians. Russians alone, without Ukrainian, Central Asian, etc. troops wouldn’t have had a chance to win that war.

    Lying that it was Russia leads to stupid ideas about “Russia’s” supposed invincibility.

    Russia won the war by mid-1943

     

    And there you go, advertising your stupidity.

    The Western supplies to Russia started in substantial quantities in late 1943
     
    No, they started in substantial quantities in the earlier part of that year, by summer. The Soviets were able to stop the Germans without Lend Lease but depended on it to defeat the Germans and drive them out. Massive number of trucks and railroad cars were shipped in. Stalin even admitted it.

    10-20% German losses in the West happened almost fully in 1944-45
     
    Not the Air Force losses. If Germany had been able to devote 100% of its military versus 80% to the conquest of the USSR it would have taken Moscow (which it nearly did, as it was).

    Replies: @LatW, @Derer, @Beckow

    “If Germany had been able to devote 100% of its military versus 80% to the conquest of the USSR it would have taken Moscow”

    Remember, 90% of German MILITARY death occurred at the East front and 90% of German CIVILIAN death occurred at the West front. You will not find this in the American textbooks – only over-promoted and celebrated Normandy invasions, when the Wehrmacht was essentially defeated by the Soviet great offensive drive.

    Do not take this heroic accomplishment and memory of 27 million Slavs perished from the perennial hate.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Derer


    27 million Slavs perished
     
    That was the total number killed during the war. Including those killed by Stalin.

    Replies: @Derer

  420. @Philip Owen
    @Beckow

    Britain had no army or airforce in 1938. Stalin, who did have a large army, was playing games or delusional. Britain successfully blockaded German ports from the first of the war onwards. Only the overland route through Iran and Russia kept Germany able to fight as vehicles and planes couldn't be made without rubber. The SU was happy to smuggle it and provide much more from its own resources.

    Vladimir Suzdal decided Ukraine was not part of their Russia in 1169. Kyiv was sacked for 3 days (foreigners) not one (yourown people). It hasn't been the same country since then.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow, @LatW, @Gerard1234

    Britain successfully blockaded German ports from the first of the war onwards. Only the overland route through Iran and Russia kept Germany able to fight as vehicles and planes couldn’t be made without rubber. The SU was happy to smuggle it and provide much more from its own resource

    LOL – so that explains the Nazis and Italians moving half a million men and millions of tonnes of supplies, ammunition and weapons across the Mediterrenean into North Africa??! Or Norway and transport of very valuable materials out of there? WTF did you think happened in the Black Sea in WW2, and how did they get there? Baltic Sea? Cretin.
    British Navy efforts during the war should of course be praised – not overaggerated/lied about.

    Nazis had defeated Poland less than one month after Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement, i,e it had f**k all to do with implementation of Nazi war campaign against Poland…………the British-created Munich agreement DID though as it gave Nazis control of the biggest industrial centre of Europe.

    Oil given by USSR was about 10% (for that less than one year) of Nazi oil supply. Any other resource was much less than even that.

    Vladimir Suzdal decided Ukraine was not part of their Russia in 1169. Kyiv was sacked for 3 days (foreigners) not one (yourown people). It hasn’t been the same country since then.

    Too idiotic to respond to

    Britain had no army or airforce in 1938.

    More nonsense

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Gerard1234

    Venuzuelan oil, Argentinian grain and beef did not reach Germany. Supply to North Africa was difficult for the Axis despite owning the north and most of the south coast of the Mediterranean. Supplies reached Russia going past Norway.

  421. @LatW
    @Gerard1234


    All 3 Baltics were fascist dictatorships
     
    Please use historically correct terminology, especially when talking about an important and specific time period such as the 1930s. Nobody allowed real fascists into power in authoritarian Eastern Euro states - not in the Baltics (the Thundercross in Latvia had problems with the government) nor Codreanu in Romania, who was persecuted (and whose whole political and even spiritual life was one big struggle and resistance). There were simply too few of them. Quality over quantity, you see. :)

    Of course, you being a rabid and undereducated Sovok, I'm not expecting you to be able to use proper language and to distinguish the relevant terms.


    weren’t honouring perfectly justified security arrangements with USSR
     
    How about not spying on us and not supporting fifth columnists starting as early as the 1920s?

    That they destroyed the parliamentary system
     
    That was none of your business. Especially since your own barely literate population didn't have anything even resembling functioning parliamentarianism at that time. And most likely never will.

    then enabled USSR to recreate it
     
    Yours were unable to create anything truly political. Your only politics is CheKa.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Yours were unable to create anything truly political. Your only politics is CheKa.

    Cheka was Felix, the great, languid, effervescent,pious, kind Pole.

    Zemsky Sobor was political and democratic………since 2000 many , many other things.

    I don’t like the rude and aggressive tone of your comment

    • LOL: Yevardian
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Gerard1234


    Cheka was Felix, the great, languid, effervescent,pious, kind Pole.
     
    Felix created everything, yours can only replicate (or obey).

    Zemsky Sobor
     
    Zemsky Sobor died with the Whites (and it was short lived to begin with). We were talking about the specific period between 1935 to 1940, and then after 1945. Do not mix everything into one big kasha, but be specific and focused.

    I don’t like the rude and aggressive tone of your comment

     

    Honestly, what someone like you "likes" or "doesn't like" is literally the last thing I care about.
  422. @LatW
    @Derer


    That is propaganda material you are pushing.
     
    Video footage of an actual event is now "propaganda", my dear?

    Replies: @QCIC, @Derer

    “my dear”

    Do you really mean it?

  423. @Gerard1234
    @LatW


    Yours were unable to create anything truly political. Your only politics is CheKa.
     
    Cheka was Felix, the great, languid, effervescent,pious, kind Pole.

    Zemsky Sobor was political and democratic.........since 2000 many , many other things.

    I don't like the rude and aggressive tone of your comment

    Replies: @LatW

    Cheka was Felix, the great, languid, effervescent,pious, kind Pole.

    Felix created everything, yours can only replicate (or obey).

    Zemsky Sobor

    Zemsky Sobor died with the Whites (and it was short lived to begin with). We were talking about the specific period between 1935 to 1940, and then after 1945. Do not mix everything into one big kasha, but be specific and focused.

    I don’t like the rude and aggressive tone of your comment

    Honestly, what someone like you “likes” or “doesn’t like” is literally the last thing I care about.

  424. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Once the SMO began Ukraine's fate was sealed. At that point most of the negotiation is over. This is apparently what the West wanted and Ukraine will be left with the results. The question at the beginning was Dniepr, Bug or Dniester, where will Russia stop? Before things got to that point I assume Russia hoped a cohesive Russian-speaking group of countries was a natural state of affairs and maybe the details on a map did not matter so much.

    I think the Russian military (with Putin as the spokesman) wanted NATO out of Ukraine (now and in the future). If that goal could be accomplished without taking the entire country that is great. If that is impossible and taking the entire country by force is required to drive out NATO, then so be it. While you seem to be confused by various Russian press releases since this mess had started, the Russians were pretty clear. They are not stupid enough to lay out the details of their plan to make the masses happy. They are in Ukraine to drive out NATO influence and stop NATO's pressure tactics against Russia. Nuclear weapons use has not been ruled out.

    I don't have much opinion on battlefield events shown in random videos. In the future, maybe you will be able to read Russian books about what really happened in the opening months of the SMO. Were the moves intentional and why? Were they ridiculous errors? Were spies and saboteurs a major factor in the Russian military or just rampant incompetence and lack of training? Was it a feint and what was the purpose? What was the Russian deep state doing behind the scenes? Prigozhin WTF? What was going on at Azovstal 25 miles from the Russian border? What really happened to the Moskva? If Russia has the most advanced ballistic missiles and nuclear submarines, why don't they have enough boots? These are all open questions.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Once the SMO began Ukraine’s fate was sealed.

    What fate would that be?

    Putin started this war by declaring that his invasion was required to stop the Eastern expansion of NATO. Well that didn’t happen and he in fact pushed Finland into joining which makes the goal a failure. Ukraine will be closer to qualifying if they walk with a static border.

    This is apparently what the West wanted and Ukraine will be left with the results.

    The West along with 98% of the UN would have preferred Russia to stay in its borders. They voted on it and ruled Russia as the unjust aggressor.

    Before things got to that point I assume Russia hoped a cohesive Russian-speaking group of countries was a natural state of affairs and maybe the details on a map did not matter so much.

    DPR/LPR had defacto autonomy. Putin signed a decree stating that DPR/LPR will become independent Republics. What is your take on why he broke that decree within months?

    I think the Russian military (with Putin as the spokesman) wanted NATO out of Ukraine (now and in the future).

    He specifically stated that he did not want NATO to move East and that goal failed.

    [MORE]

    While you seem to be confused by various Russian press releases since this mess had started

    I’m not confused by Russian press releases. I’ve never quoted them and I mostly quote Russia News to mock them. Putin’s invasion speech is public record and was recorded by various agencies worldwide. Here is a copy where he clearly stated that stopping the Eastward expansion of NATO is the primary goal:
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/putins-speech-declaring-war-on-ukraine-translated-excerpts

    I am referring to what causes us particular concern and anxiety – those fundamental threats against our country that year after year, step by step, are offensively and unceremoniously created by irresponsible politicians in the West.

    “I am referring to the expansion of the NATO to the east, moving its military infrastructure closer to Russian borders.

    That explanation never made sense given that NATO was already on the border via the Baltics.

    So if you quote either me or Putin then please do it properly. I’m not confused about anything that comes from Russia. I’ve used clear sources while you have consistently tried to imagine or distort what Putin actually said.

    In the future, maybe you will be able to read Russian books about what really happened in the opening months of the SMO.

    Yes and the full invasion plans will be released and you will have to admit you were wrong about it being a feint. Putin did not send a 40 mile column of armor and trucks at Kiev to only make it appear as if he wanted to take the entire country. That is incredibly delusional.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @John Johnson


    That explanation never made sense given that NATO was already on the border via the Baltics.
     
    Yes, but he wanted to make sure NATO stayed weak (relatively unarmed) or ideally, completely neutered in Eastern Europe. After 2014, the security situation had started to slightly change because of the events in Ukraine - the EE countries had started to talk about their security more seriously, plus Ukraine herself was arming, they definitely must have wanted to stop that (regardless of what NATO's formal steps were).

    It seems like the overall plan of Putin and the Security council must have been the following:

    - Issue the ultimatum of December 2021 (directed quite obviously at Washington and the heads of states of the biggest NATO countries, over the heads of the EEs), demanding that NATO stop its expansion and that NATO demilitarize in agreement to what RusFed finds acceptable or even better - desirable (there is a Russian word for it - hotelka, namely, a desirable outcome or whim, entitled thinking). They wanted to dictate to the EE capitals how many troops are allowed on their own soil, missiles, etc. How many troops can train together, etc (all the while maintaining unfriendly rhetoric). It is not entirely clear what they meant regarding the 1997 - whether they wanted the countries of Eastern Europe (including Poland!), to roll back to where they were in terms of their own armament and militaries in 1997 and prior, or they wanted NATO to leave entirely (eg., for those states to exit NATO); most likely, to keep NATO as a mere formality (while they themselves keep the Iskanders in Kenig, and the rest of the missile coverage over EE);

    - If there is no response to that, start the SMO (which had already been prepared for years) - a quick occupation with the goal to change the government in Ukraine and pacify those who resist (this is why the forces were quite significant, even though their elite paratroopers who were supposed to be real tigers, didn't perform ideally, since they had not fought a regular military recently, but just insurgencies such as in Syria - nevertheless, they did a lot of damage even in the beginning);

    - Once that would've been achieved (Kyiv government toppled and control over all of Ukraine secured), they would be standing pretty much where Batu Khan once stood - and then from that position they could make a real, credible threat to Europe to finally fulfill the ultimatum (reverse the geopolitical trajectory that had taken place after 1991). It could be that their goal was just to receive some kind of a promise that NATO will remain in the state it was in prior to 2022 (or even completely neutered, defenseless), plus probably some political demands. The moment was good - right after Covid which was rough on the US and the exit from Afghanistan. Ukraine, too, was a bit complacent (despite some skirmishes still happening).

    Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson, @Derer

    , @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    - I think Ukraine's fate is to be more directly under Russian control politically and economically.

    - I don't expect the details of what happens to DPR/LPR to be sorted out until after the SMO is completed with the AFU pacified and NeoNazi leaders arrested. Why would anyone expect this to happen in the middle of a giant chaotic mess?

    - Finland in NATO is less important that Ukraine in NATO.

    - I don't imagine what Putin says, I interpret his message in the context of important things he has stated and written previously. Once the major combat had become possible (mid 2021?) I take everything with a grain of salt. At that point any government faces a complex situation involving military secrets, diplomatic negotiations and management of public opinion in disparate countries. It is irrational to ignore the crucial and widely understood context and then take the public statements too literally.

    - I am not quoting you, I am appraising you. I used "press releases" as an inclusive term for speeches by Putin, speeches by Lavrov/Peskov/Zakharova, press releases, statements by the Russian Ambassador to the UN, etc. You periodically mention "Putin said this, Russia said that" I was trying to cover everything. I did not intend to make false claims about your statements or confuse you.

    - Russia stopping NATO expansion in Ukraine makes perfect sense.

    - I see this conflict as a WW3 scenario so the feint looks minor from that perspective. I will scrap the feint theory when a better idea comes along. From my perspective the Russians are unlikely to admit it was a feint, so we will have to look at other indicators.

  425. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    If you can assure me that this 3 hr film includes some interesting information about the current war in Ukraine

     

    well, it was shot before the war began, but perhaps, there is something oracular in it.

    I’ve recommended films for you in the past to watch before, ones where I’ve included intros and reasons why I thought they might appeal to you (all about 1.25 hours long).
     
    I seem to recall that you tried to get me to watch a 12 hour series, even after I tried the first episode, and said I didn't enjoy it, and attempted to shunt you off on German_reader, who likely never even read the book, despite demonstrating a keen interest in the material from which it drew.

    Why exactly are you recommending that I watch this film?
     
    Because you claimed an interest in Sher Singh's culture (Telegu though the film is, there are shared elements).

    Though, really all my responses to you thus far have been tongue-in-cheek, starting with the suggestion that you are obligated to watch a three hour Indian film.

    Think I have already addressed all my political points on the war in Ukraine before, and don't enjoy rehashing, as I am not a member of either faction, and can't blow off steam that way.

    My guess is that when you post Putin cartoons, it is like you yourself are doodling, and when you say "Putler", it is like you are swearing, and blowing off steam.

    But I just wish Putler and Zetler would come to the peace table together.

    Replies: @German_reader

    and attempted to shunt you off on German_reader, who likely never even read the book, despite demonstrating a keen interest in the material from which it drew.

    [MORE]

    Is that a reference to that I Claudius series that was once discussed here? Yeah, no interest in that. Honestly seems quite degenerate to me to create something with such a figure as the hero/sympathetic protagonist (a bit like writing a novel/making a tv series where you’re meant to sympathize with Mr XYZ, who’s presented as a great scholar for his profound alt-history thought, and a humanitarian for his desire to alleviate the plight of virtuous pedos with child sex robots…imagine a guy like that as emperor).
    Anyway, since you expressed an interest in this before, maybe interesting:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2024-ai-unlock-ancient-world-secrets/?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTcwNzE0MTk5MywiZXhwIjoxNzA3NzQ2NzkzLCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJTOERZV0lUMEFGQjQwMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiI5MTM4NzMzNDcyQkY0QjlGQTg0OTI3QTVBRjY1QzBCRiJ9.2YLiwKjMPV2UTnBJDAJSjcpwWTQQ-9YKaKnB1NIX7p0

    Much of the article is bs (no, they’re not going to find anything related to early Christianity, bizarre idea, and probably not much great poetry, history etc. either, just more 2nd rate philosophy), also seems a bit overly panegyrical (I guess they want to show that occasionally rich Jews use their money for something other than subverting Western societies or trying to bring about war with Iran?), but it seems like it’s confirmed now they’ve finally made a real breakthrough and it will be possible in future to read much of the scrolls.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader


    Is that a reference to that I Claudius series that was once discussed here?
     
    IMO, the genius of the first book (split in English), imperfect though it is, is that Claudius is kind of a background witness to Augustus, Livia, Germanicus, Tiberius, Caligula, etc., and the dangers and corrupting influence of power, and it ends whenCaligula is assassinated and the Praetorian guard finds Claudius cowering behind the drapery and lift him up and proclaim him emperor.

    The second book could never live up to that ending, and I don't recommend it. It doesn't even seem to have the same tone, but frankly seems kind of culturally incoherent to me because it draws too much from Josephus. In a way, it seems too modern, while simultaneously not being very dramatic.

    a bit like writing a novel/making a tv series where you’re meant to sympathize with Mr XYZ, who’s presented as a great scholar for his profound alt-history thought,
     
    LMAO. Was Claudius really that bad? I think I would like to read most of his books (in translation), esp. the one on Carthage. (Maybe, one of the ten thousand scrolls they say could be there?)

    Granted, he did marry his niece, and that is ultra-questionable morally and biologically, but I can't believe it was for deviant reasons. I think the gens system and the constant conspiracies are just too difficult for us to relate to, to understand the reasoning. Though maybe the Empire would have been better off had he married a Parthian princess or daughter of a British chieftain. He did ban foreign astrologers, and seems to have been considerably more conservative than Mr. XYZ.

    Some of the ideas of the possible number of scrolls and their scope might be wishful thinking, but, even if it is just that one room of philosophy, as long as the texts are readable enough, I suspect that there will be interesting things revealed. Old Irish glossary notes are sometimes quite interesting, even though short. I think there would be a certain value in the text itself beyond its subject. Perhaps, in idioms or even unknown words.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @German_reader

  426. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Once the SMO began Ukraine’s fate was sealed.

    What fate would that be?

    Putin started this war by declaring that his invasion was required to stop the Eastern expansion of NATO. Well that didn't happen and he in fact pushed Finland into joining which makes the goal a failure. Ukraine will be closer to qualifying if they walk with a static border.

    This is apparently what the West wanted and Ukraine will be left with the results.

    The West along with 98% of the UN would have preferred Russia to stay in its borders. They voted on it and ruled Russia as the unjust aggressor.

    Before things got to that point I assume Russia hoped a cohesive Russian-speaking group of countries was a natural state of affairs and maybe the details on a map did not matter so much.

    DPR/LPR had defacto autonomy. Putin signed a decree stating that DPR/LPR will become independent Republics. What is your take on why he broke that decree within months?

    I think the Russian military (with Putin as the spokesman) wanted NATO out of Ukraine (now and in the future).

    He specifically stated that he did not want NATO to move East and that goal failed.

    While you seem to be confused by various Russian press releases since this mess had started

    I'm not confused by Russian press releases. I've never quoted them and I mostly quote Russia News to mock them. Putin's invasion speech is public record and was recorded by various agencies worldwide. Here is a copy where he clearly stated that stopping the Eastward expansion of NATO is the primary goal:
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/putins-speech-declaring-war-on-ukraine-translated-excerpts


    I am referring to what causes us particular concern and anxiety – those fundamental threats against our country that year after year, step by step, are offensively and unceremoniously created by irresponsible politicians in the West.

    “I am referring to the expansion of the NATO to the east, moving its military infrastructure closer to Russian borders.
     

    That explanation never made sense given that NATO was already on the border via the Baltics.

    So if you quote either me or Putin then please do it properly. I'm not confused about anything that comes from Russia. I've used clear sources while you have consistently tried to imagine or distort what Putin actually said.

    In the future, maybe you will be able to read Russian books about what really happened in the opening months of the SMO.

    Yes and the full invasion plans will be released and you will have to admit you were wrong about it being a feint. Putin did not send a 40 mile column of armor and trucks at Kiev to only make it appear as if he wanted to take the entire country. That is incredibly delusional.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC

    That explanation never made sense given that NATO was already on the border via the Baltics.

    Yes, but he wanted to make sure NATO stayed weak (relatively unarmed) or ideally, completely neutered in Eastern Europe. After 2014, the security situation had started to slightly change because of the events in Ukraine – the EE countries had started to talk about their security more seriously, plus Ukraine herself was arming, they definitely must have wanted to stop that (regardless of what NATO’s formal steps were).

    It seems like the overall plan of Putin and the Security council must have been the following:

    – Issue the ultimatum of December 2021 (directed quite obviously at Washington and the heads of states of the biggest NATO countries, over the heads of the EEs), demanding that NATO stop its expansion and that NATO demilitarize in agreement to what RusFed finds acceptable or even better – desirable (there is a Russian word for it – hotelka, namely, a desirable outcome or whim, entitled thinking). They wanted to dictate to the EE capitals how many troops are allowed on their own soil, missiles, etc. How many troops can train together, etc (all the while maintaining unfriendly rhetoric). It is not entirely clear what they meant regarding the 1997 – whether they wanted the countries of Eastern Europe (including Poland!), to roll back to where they were in terms of their own armament and militaries in 1997 and prior, or they wanted NATO to leave entirely (eg., for those states to exit NATO); most likely, to keep NATO as a mere formality (while they themselves keep the Iskanders in Kenig, and the rest of the missile coverage over EE);

    – If there is no response to that, start the SMO (which had already been prepared for years) – a quick occupation with the goal to change the government in Ukraine and pacify those who resist (this is why the forces were quite significant, even though their elite paratroopers who were supposed to be real tigers, didn’t perform ideally, since they had not fought a regular military recently, but just insurgencies such as in Syria – nevertheless, they did a lot of damage even in the beginning);

    – Once that would’ve been achieved (Kyiv government toppled and control over all of Ukraine secured), they would be standing pretty much where Batu Khan once stood – and then from that position they could make a real, credible threat to Europe to finally fulfill the ultimatum (reverse the geopolitical trajectory that had taken place after 1991). It could be that their goal was just to receive some kind of a promise that NATO will remain in the state it was in prior to 2022 (or even completely neutered, defenseless), plus probably some political demands. The moment was good – right after Covid which was rough on the US and the exit from Afghanistan. Ukraine, too, was a bit complacent (despite some skirmishes still happening).

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • LOL: QCIC
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @LatW

    This is the standard Western perspective, nicely written. Good job leaving out most of the cold war history between the West and USSR and all the Western provocations between 1990 and 2014.

    You people are insane.

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN

    , @John Johnson
    @LatW

    Yes, but he wanted to make sure NATO stayed weak (relatively unarmed) or ideally, completely neutered in Eastern Europe.

    So NATO was weak in January of 2022?

    Russia is struggling to defeat a military about 1/8 their size and with leftover NATO weapons.

    NATO was weak how exactly?

    I'm not seeing the logic here. Before the war there was nothing stopping NATO from putting missile towers in the Baltics. Putin then claimed there were plans to put Ukraine in NATO and add missile silos to the border. It doesn't make sense and seemingly depends on people forgetting that the Baltics are in NATO and Ukraine doesn't qualify. It doesn't pass a basic logic test.

    The most likely answer is that this is age old Russian imperialism. That is why the NATO excuse doesn't add up. It's just Putin trying to gobble up Ukraine and keeping them out of NATO is a side benefit. Putin already gaffed and referred to the occupied oblasts as conquests.

    Putin is also on record stating that:
    1. The USSR was a continuation of the Russian empire and should have stayed in power
    2. The great Tsars were conquerors
    3. Ukraine can be taken in 2 weeks (2014 comment)

    This all points to a half-pint dictator trying to play conqueror before he is dead. There were a dozen better ways to keep Ukraine out of NATO.

    It is not entirely clear what they meant regarding the 1997 – whether they wanted the countries of Eastern Europe (including Poland!), to roll back to where they were in terms of their own armament and militaries in 1997 and prior, or they wanted NATO

    Since NATO is not a hierarchy who exactly is supposed to respond?

    Do you think it makes sense to threaten force against a medium sized country if smaller countries don't leave a protection alliance with the explicit purpose to protect against such force?

    It's like saying I'm going to punch your neighbor in the face unless the other smaller neighbor leaves the neighborhood watch program that protects against violent individuals such as myself.

    It's insane circular logic. The logic isn't there because Putin was never motivated by NATO. Of course he would like to push back NATO but that wasn't the main goal. If the goal was really to keep Ukraine out of NATO then he only needed to keep 1 meter of border contended indefinitely. Yes 1 meter. They can't apply with a contended border.

    In any case the goal failed because Finland joined and they share more border with Russia than Ukraine. His invasion speech is on record and it's a fail.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Derer
    @LatW


    a quick occupation with the goal to change the government in Ukraine and pacify those who resist
     
    This is very plausible scenario, although Russia was engaged in a velvet war at 20% Russian military capacity. Having huge military exercises with China at the same time.

    from that position they could make a real, credible threat to Europe to finally fulfill the ultimatum
     
    No...Russia pulled 300000 army from East Germany and unified Germany while London and Paris objected, in addition dissolved Warsaw Pact. Now, in this weaken position in Europe they would make "credible threat" - they are not that insane as you think.

    The slow military tempo in Ukraine is most likely Russian strategy to bleed the West's economies by the energy inflation as well as the military spending and further NATO disharmony.

    Replies: @LatW

  427. @LatW
    @AP



    Russia won the war by mid-1943

     

    And there you go, advertising your stupidity.
     
    But what is spectacular is that he literally admitted just a couple of posts above that "Russia could not have won without that buffer" - e.g., the occupied lands in the Baltic together with the other, non-RSSR, constituent parts of the USSR. He was writing this when he was coming up with the excuse of why "Russia" had to occupy all those lands and exploit those peoples, and why this mystical "Russia" (read Moscow) has a right to act like a total jerk towards everyone else ("for self-defense!!!" Because "Drang nach Osten"!!! LOL).

    Places occupied by the Germans such as Ostland and Ukraine most likely suffered more per capita. Through the occupation and not because of local incompetence or brutality of local leaders. Someone should bring up those numbers.

    Mark Solonin recently posted about the General Plan Ost - at least, according to his research, this was mostly an agriculture focused colonization plan for the Baltics (especially coastal and fertile areas, which are ample) as well as large parts of Ukraine (same, fertile land). Something along the lines of Walther Darré maybe. I'm not even sure about how the Wehrbauer (soldier-farmer) idea even featured in this - I mean, ofc, they would occupy and colonize as soldiers, but would they have stayed that way later on?

    So essentially it was about the Intermarium already then (although it's probably an old colonization dream from way back). So a slightly different picture there than some imagined culling of "Russians" on "Russia proper". Not claiming this was true, it's just Solonin's version.

    Of course, it's still totally possible that they wanted this and some parts of the actual "Russia" on top of that. Or they may have wanted their own buffer eastwards to protect the Intermarium agro lands (the Blut und Boden).

    And, btw, more accurate language needs to be used - for example, Putin uses the term "historical Russia", and this is not the same as the Russia Federation, but it is in fact the Russian Empire in the 19th century. This creates a lot of misunderstanding, same as mixing up "Russia" with the USSR.

    Btw, anecdotally, I've heard Ukrainians talk about how their grandparents were still using some household items that had come from the Lend Lease in the 1980s or so.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    If Hitler’s Table Talk is to be believed (I know that there are some issues about its translation accuracy), Hitler said that he wanted Russia to be Germany’s version of India. Except he also wanted settler colonialism there on top of that. He advocated redrawing the German-Slav ethnic border significantly to Germany’s benefit. Though there would be a limit as to just how many settlers Germany would be able to send eastwards, even if it permanently kept a TFR of ~2.5 under Nazi rule.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Hitler said that he wanted Russia to be Germany’s version of India. Except he also wanted settler colonialism there on top of that.
     
    Maybe not even so much India (unless the local population were to be heavily exploited), but rather an America or a Siberia (in the sense that some EEs themselves used to go East for cheap land). I'm almost wondering if there was a class element there, since these colonists were supposed to be somewhat egalitarian farmers - if these people may have had issues back home in Germany, and simply couldn't get land there, even if this hypothetical program did have an idealistic or utopian element (and even a sublime ethical and aesthetic idea of elevating the human being through the connection with the land and by cultivating the land responsibly, sustainably and deriving honor from it - in a way, an almost progressive idea - if you take aside the context of them not asking for permission to settle there, lol).

    Though there would be a limit as to just how many settlers Germany would be able to send eastwards, even if it permanently kept a TFR of ~2.5 under Nazi rule.
     
    Most likely not all that many, maybe even less than there had been historically scattered across those lands. The kind of lifestyle that Darré represents as ideal, or at least this almost utopian agrarian settler lifestyle actually relies a lot on the Frau - there's a lot of work running the household (even with helpers), and lots of physical labor, although a strong Frau can have many children in this kind of environment (in fact, it is better for having children). But there would still be way more land and space than potential settlers.

    He advocated redrawing the German-Slav ethnic border significantly to Germany’s benefit.
     
    My original point of bringing this up was to show that the intended colonies were not supposed to spread much in what is today Russia (or even the RSSR back in the 1930s-40s). Here is the map with where they wanted to settle, essentially just the Baltic states (even without Estonia, for some strange reason, but instead with Ingermanland, which is just a dark, swampy area). And parts of Central Ukraine, not even Western. Russia and even Belarus are not even touched. Besides the demarkation of this hypothetical settlement doesn't mean that it would be filled with Germans everywhere - they would be scattered across communities, similar to how it was in the Middle Ages. They may try to take the best areas, though. The point is that we don't really know and cannot so easily assume / conclude that most Eastern Slavs would be murdered. That's not to say that this plan should somehow be accepted or approved.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Generalplan_Ost-en.svg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  428. @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    Once the SMO began Ukraine’s fate was sealed.

    What fate would that be?

    Putin started this war by declaring that his invasion was required to stop the Eastern expansion of NATO. Well that didn't happen and he in fact pushed Finland into joining which makes the goal a failure. Ukraine will be closer to qualifying if they walk with a static border.

    This is apparently what the West wanted and Ukraine will be left with the results.

    The West along with 98% of the UN would have preferred Russia to stay in its borders. They voted on it and ruled Russia as the unjust aggressor.

    Before things got to that point I assume Russia hoped a cohesive Russian-speaking group of countries was a natural state of affairs and maybe the details on a map did not matter so much.

    DPR/LPR had defacto autonomy. Putin signed a decree stating that DPR/LPR will become independent Republics. What is your take on why he broke that decree within months?

    I think the Russian military (with Putin as the spokesman) wanted NATO out of Ukraine (now and in the future).

    He specifically stated that he did not want NATO to move East and that goal failed.

    While you seem to be confused by various Russian press releases since this mess had started

    I'm not confused by Russian press releases. I've never quoted them and I mostly quote Russia News to mock them. Putin's invasion speech is public record and was recorded by various agencies worldwide. Here is a copy where he clearly stated that stopping the Eastward expansion of NATO is the primary goal:
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/putins-speech-declaring-war-on-ukraine-translated-excerpts


    I am referring to what causes us particular concern and anxiety – those fundamental threats against our country that year after year, step by step, are offensively and unceremoniously created by irresponsible politicians in the West.

    “I am referring to the expansion of the NATO to the east, moving its military infrastructure closer to Russian borders.
     

    That explanation never made sense given that NATO was already on the border via the Baltics.

    So if you quote either me or Putin then please do it properly. I'm not confused about anything that comes from Russia. I've used clear sources while you have consistently tried to imagine or distort what Putin actually said.

    In the future, maybe you will be able to read Russian books about what really happened in the opening months of the SMO.

    Yes and the full invasion plans will be released and you will have to admit you were wrong about it being a feint. Putin did not send a 40 mile column of armor and trucks at Kiev to only make it appear as if he wanted to take the entire country. That is incredibly delusional.

    Replies: @LatW, @QCIC

    – I think Ukraine’s fate is to be more directly under Russian control politically and economically.

    – I don’t expect the details of what happens to DPR/LPR to be sorted out until after the SMO is completed with the AFU pacified and NeoNazi leaders arrested. Why would anyone expect this to happen in the middle of a giant chaotic mess?

    – Finland in NATO is less important that Ukraine in NATO.

    – I don’t imagine what Putin says, I interpret his message in the context of important things he has stated and written previously. Once the major combat had become possible (mid 2021?) I take everything with a grain of salt. At that point any government faces a complex situation involving military secrets, diplomatic negotiations and management of public opinion in disparate countries. It is irrational to ignore the crucial and widely understood context and then take the public statements too literally.

    – I am not quoting you, I am appraising you. I used “press releases” as an inclusive term for speeches by Putin, speeches by Lavrov/Peskov/Zakharova, press releases, statements by the Russian Ambassador to the UN, etc. You periodically mention “Putin said this, Russia said that” I was trying to cover everything. I did not intend to make false claims about your statements or confuse you.

    – Russia stopping NATO expansion in Ukraine makes perfect sense.

    – I see this conflict as a WW3 scenario so the feint looks minor from that perspective. I will scrap the feint theory when a better idea comes along. From my perspective the Russians are unlikely to admit it was a feint, so we will have to look at other indicators.

  429. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    That explanation never made sense given that NATO was already on the border via the Baltics.
     
    Yes, but he wanted to make sure NATO stayed weak (relatively unarmed) or ideally, completely neutered in Eastern Europe. After 2014, the security situation had started to slightly change because of the events in Ukraine - the EE countries had started to talk about their security more seriously, plus Ukraine herself was arming, they definitely must have wanted to stop that (regardless of what NATO's formal steps were).

    It seems like the overall plan of Putin and the Security council must have been the following:

    - Issue the ultimatum of December 2021 (directed quite obviously at Washington and the heads of states of the biggest NATO countries, over the heads of the EEs), demanding that NATO stop its expansion and that NATO demilitarize in agreement to what RusFed finds acceptable or even better - desirable (there is a Russian word for it - hotelka, namely, a desirable outcome or whim, entitled thinking). They wanted to dictate to the EE capitals how many troops are allowed on their own soil, missiles, etc. How many troops can train together, etc (all the while maintaining unfriendly rhetoric). It is not entirely clear what they meant regarding the 1997 - whether they wanted the countries of Eastern Europe (including Poland!), to roll back to where they were in terms of their own armament and militaries in 1997 and prior, or they wanted NATO to leave entirely (eg., for those states to exit NATO); most likely, to keep NATO as a mere formality (while they themselves keep the Iskanders in Kenig, and the rest of the missile coverage over EE);

    - If there is no response to that, start the SMO (which had already been prepared for years) - a quick occupation with the goal to change the government in Ukraine and pacify those who resist (this is why the forces were quite significant, even though their elite paratroopers who were supposed to be real tigers, didn't perform ideally, since they had not fought a regular military recently, but just insurgencies such as in Syria - nevertheless, they did a lot of damage even in the beginning);

    - Once that would've been achieved (Kyiv government toppled and control over all of Ukraine secured), they would be standing pretty much where Batu Khan once stood - and then from that position they could make a real, credible threat to Europe to finally fulfill the ultimatum (reverse the geopolitical trajectory that had taken place after 1991). It could be that their goal was just to receive some kind of a promise that NATO will remain in the state it was in prior to 2022 (or even completely neutered, defenseless), plus probably some political demands. The moment was good - right after Covid which was rough on the US and the exit from Afghanistan. Ukraine, too, was a bit complacent (despite some skirmishes still happening).

    Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson, @Derer

    This is the standard Western perspective, nicely written. Good job leaving out most of the cold war history between the West and USSR and all the Western provocations between 1990 and 2014.

    You people are insane.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @QCIC


    Good job leaving out most of the cold war history between the West and USSR
     
    Why do you keep pushing your "Cold war history"? The young and the Gen Xers want to live in today, without all that baggage and to be left alone. Yet the old vampires are murdering the younger generation. Why should the young die just because the much older politicians have "resentments"?
    , @AnonfromTN
    @QCIC


    You people are insane.
     
    Ideological zealots are not necessarily insane, although they often make that impression on normal level-headed people. They are just very selectively blind, in most cases intentionally, The same level of unintentional blindness would be a job for psychiatrists.
  430. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    If Hitler's Table Talk is to be believed (I know that there are some issues about its translation accuracy), Hitler said that he wanted Russia to be Germany's version of India. Except he also wanted settler colonialism there on top of that. He advocated redrawing the German-Slav ethnic border significantly to Germany's benefit. Though there would be a limit as to just how many settlers Germany would be able to send eastwards, even if it permanently kept a TFR of ~2.5 under Nazi rule.

    Replies: @LatW

    Hitler said that he wanted Russia to be Germany’s version of India. Except he also wanted settler colonialism there on top of that.

    Maybe not even so much India (unless the local population were to be heavily exploited), but rather an America or a Siberia (in the sense that some EEs themselves used to go East for cheap land). I’m almost wondering if there was a class element there, since these colonists were supposed to be somewhat egalitarian farmers – if these people may have had issues back home in Germany, and simply couldn’t get land there, even if this hypothetical program did have an idealistic or utopian element (and even a sublime ethical and aesthetic idea of elevating the human being through the connection with the land and by cultivating the land responsibly, sustainably and deriving honor from it – in a way, an almost progressive idea – if you take aside the context of them not asking for permission to settle there, lol).

    Though there would be a limit as to just how many settlers Germany would be able to send eastwards, even if it permanently kept a TFR of ~2.5 under Nazi rule.

    Most likely not all that many, maybe even less than there had been historically scattered across those lands. The kind of lifestyle that Darré represents as ideal, or at least this almost utopian agrarian settler lifestyle actually relies a lot on the Frau – there’s a lot of work running the household (even with helpers), and lots of physical labor, although a strong Frau can have many children in this kind of environment (in fact, it is better for having children). But there would still be way more land and space than potential settlers.

    He advocated redrawing the German-Slav ethnic border significantly to Germany’s benefit.

    My original point of bringing this up was to show that the intended colonies were not supposed to spread much in what is today Russia (or even the RSSR back in the 1930s-40s). Here is the map with where they wanted to settle, essentially just the Baltic states (even without Estonia, for some strange reason, but instead with Ingermanland, which is just a dark, swampy area). And parts of Central Ukraine, not even Western. Russia and even Belarus are not even touched. Besides the demarkation of this hypothetical settlement doesn’t mean that it would be filled with Germans everywhere – they would be scattered across communities, similar to how it was in the Middle Ages. They may try to take the best areas, though. The point is that we don’t really know and cannot so easily assume / conclude that most Eastern Slavs would be murdered. That’s not to say that this plan should somehow be accepted or approved.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    Most likely not all that many, maybe even less than there had been historically scattered across those lands. The kind of lifestyle that Darré represents as ideal, or at least this almost utopian agrarian settler lifestyle actually relies a lot on the Frau – there’s a lot of work running the household (even with helpers), and lots of physical labor, although a strong Frau can have many children in this kind of environment (in fact, it is better for having children). But there would still be way more land and space than potential settlers.
     
    I suspect that Eastern Slavs and maybe Poles as well would be eagerly recruited as helpers, similar to how South Asians were recruited as helpers in British India.

    Maybe not even so much India (unless the local population were to be heavily exploited), but rather an America or a Siberia (in the sense that some EEs themselves used to go East for cheap land).
     
    I'm actually quoting Hitler himself here, if his Table Talk is actually accurate and reliable (there are no guarantees of this):

    From page 24 here:

    https://ia601203.us.archive.org/8/items/HitlersTableTalk_1941_1944/Hugh%20Trevor-Roper%20-%20Hitlers%20Table%20Talk%201941-1944%20%28His%20Private%20Conversations%29.pdf

    "What India was for England, the territories of Russia will be
    for us. If only I could make the German people understand
    what this space means for our future! Colonies are a precarious possession, but this ground is safely ours. Europe is
    not a geographic entity, it's a racial entity. We understand now
    why the Chinese shut themselves up behind a wall to protect
    themselves against the eternal attacks of theMongols. One could
    sometimes wish that a huge wall might protect the new territories of the East against the masses of Central Asia; but that's
    contrary to the teachings of history. The fact is that a too great
    feeling of security provokes, in the long run, a relaxation of
    forces. I think the best wall will always be a wall of human
    breasts !"

    From page 25:

    "We must no longer allow Germans to emigrate to America.
    On the contrary, we must attract the Norwegians, the Swedes,
    the Danes and the Dutch into our Eastern territories. They'll
    become members of the German Reich. Our duty is methodically to pursue a racial policy. We're compelled to do so, if only
    to combat the degeneration which is beginning to threaten us by
    reason of unions that in a way are consanguineous.
    As for the Swiss, we can use them, at the best, as hotelkeepers.
    We have no reason to dry up the marshes. We shall take only
    the best land, the best sites. In the marshy region, we shall
    instal a gigantic plain for manœuvres, three hundred and fifty
    kilometres by four hundred, making use of the rivers and the
    obstacles nature supplies."

    So, Hitler also wanted to recruit Germanic peoples from outside of the Reich to help settle Germany's newly conquered eastern territories.

    My original point of bringing this up was to show that the intended colonies were not supposed to spread much in what is today Russia (or even the RSSR back in the 1930s-40s). Here is the map with where they wanted to settle, essentially just the Baltic states (even without Estonia, for some strange reason, but instead with Ingermanland, which is just a dark, swampy area). And parts of Central Ukraine, not even Western. Russia and even Belarus are not even touched. Besides the demarkation of this hypothetical settlement doesn’t mean that it would be filled with Germans everywhere – they would be scattered across communities, similar to how it was in the Middle Ages. They may try to take the best areas, though. The point is that we don’t really know and cannot so easily assume / conclude that most Eastern Slavs would be murdered. That’s not to say that this plan should somehow be accepted or approved.
     
    Thanks for this map. I guess that if the Germans will ever run out of room there, though, then they could subsequently expand and settle elsewhere.

    The impression that I got is that the useful Slavs (servants, farmers, et cetera) would be allowed to remain while the redundant Slavs would be encouraged or even forced to move to Siberia, Central Asia, the Russian Far East, et cetera, unless they want to risk starving, if there won't be enough available food for them. I don't know just how many Slavs would have been redundant but it could have quite possibly been in the tens of millions.

    As a side note, if we're talking about German colonization, here are some thoughts about this topic from a book written by a German-born Brit near the start of World War I:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=VMg9AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA107&dq=ellis+barker+baltics+farmers+germany&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjBhcv645WEAxVHKkQIHfq2BgsQ6AF6BAgNEAI#v=onepage&q=ellis%20barker%20baltics%20farmers%20germany&f=false

    Had Germany won WWI, your own country could have been Lebensraum for the victorious Germans. As it was, when the USSR won WWII, your own country became Lebensraum for the victorious Soviets.

    Replies: @LatW

  431. @QCIC
    @LatW

    This is the standard Western perspective, nicely written. Good job leaving out most of the cold war history between the West and USSR and all the Western provocations between 1990 and 2014.

    You people are insane.

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN

    Good job leaving out most of the cold war history between the West and USSR

    Why do you keep pushing your “Cold war history”? The young and the Gen Xers want to live in today, without all that baggage and to be left alone. Yet the old vampires are murdering the younger generation. Why should the young die just because the much older politicians have “resentments”?

  432. @QCIC
    @LatW

    This is the standard Western perspective, nicely written. Good job leaving out most of the cold war history between the West and USSR and all the Western provocations between 1990 and 2014.

    You people are insane.

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN

    You people are insane.

    Ideological zealots are not necessarily insane, although they often make that impression on normal level-headed people. They are just very selectively blind, in most cases intentionally, The same level of unintentional blindness would be a job for psychiatrists.

  433. @Yevardian
    @Yevardian

    And yes before AP jumps in, I know Romania left the Warsaw Pact and denounced it

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @AP

    And yes before AP jumps in, I know Romania left the Warsaw Pact and denounced it

    I am not sure where that level of trust in this deranged retard comes from? This AP bimbo
    is the same wakjob who multiple times proven he has zero idea who the Nazi’s invaded the USSR with !- something that its inexcusable an autistic retard as that claiming to know the events of the 12th century would not know

    Just to emphasise, every Ukrainian , ACTUAL ukrop diaspora should have some connection with Odessa via friend or family……….and everyone should know without even thinking that Romanian military police controlled Odessa and parts of Nikolaev for 3 years during GPW – doing some of the most evil things in history. Its not exactly an abstract piece of information.

    That this AP has in all the time here not even known that – makes the assumption he would know about Romania leaving the Warsaw Pact unlikely- this dumb shit even gives the usual Dumb Americans a good reputation in comparative stupidity.

  434. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Hitler said that he wanted Russia to be Germany’s version of India. Except he also wanted settler colonialism there on top of that.
     
    Maybe not even so much India (unless the local population were to be heavily exploited), but rather an America or a Siberia (in the sense that some EEs themselves used to go East for cheap land). I'm almost wondering if there was a class element there, since these colonists were supposed to be somewhat egalitarian farmers - if these people may have had issues back home in Germany, and simply couldn't get land there, even if this hypothetical program did have an idealistic or utopian element (and even a sublime ethical and aesthetic idea of elevating the human being through the connection with the land and by cultivating the land responsibly, sustainably and deriving honor from it - in a way, an almost progressive idea - if you take aside the context of them not asking for permission to settle there, lol).

    Though there would be a limit as to just how many settlers Germany would be able to send eastwards, even if it permanently kept a TFR of ~2.5 under Nazi rule.
     
    Most likely not all that many, maybe even less than there had been historically scattered across those lands. The kind of lifestyle that Darré represents as ideal, or at least this almost utopian agrarian settler lifestyle actually relies a lot on the Frau - there's a lot of work running the household (even with helpers), and lots of physical labor, although a strong Frau can have many children in this kind of environment (in fact, it is better for having children). But there would still be way more land and space than potential settlers.

    He advocated redrawing the German-Slav ethnic border significantly to Germany’s benefit.
     
    My original point of bringing this up was to show that the intended colonies were not supposed to spread much in what is today Russia (or even the RSSR back in the 1930s-40s). Here is the map with where they wanted to settle, essentially just the Baltic states (even without Estonia, for some strange reason, but instead with Ingermanland, which is just a dark, swampy area). And parts of Central Ukraine, not even Western. Russia and even Belarus are not even touched. Besides the demarkation of this hypothetical settlement doesn't mean that it would be filled with Germans everywhere - they would be scattered across communities, similar to how it was in the Middle Ages. They may try to take the best areas, though. The point is that we don't really know and cannot so easily assume / conclude that most Eastern Slavs would be murdered. That's not to say that this plan should somehow be accepted or approved.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/85/Generalplan_Ost-en.svg

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    Most likely not all that many, maybe even less than there had been historically scattered across those lands. The kind of lifestyle that Darré represents as ideal, or at least this almost utopian agrarian settler lifestyle actually relies a lot on the Frau – there’s a lot of work running the household (even with helpers), and lots of physical labor, although a strong Frau can have many children in this kind of environment (in fact, it is better for having children). But there would still be way more land and space than potential settlers.

    I suspect that Eastern Slavs and maybe Poles as well would be eagerly recruited as helpers, similar to how South Asians were recruited as helpers in British India.

    Maybe not even so much India (unless the local population were to be heavily exploited), but rather an America or a Siberia (in the sense that some EEs themselves used to go East for cheap land).

    I’m actually quoting Hitler himself here, if his Table Talk is actually accurate and reliable (there are no guarantees of this):

    From page 24 here:

    https://ia601203.us.archive.org/8/items/HitlersTableTalk_1941_1944/Hugh%20Trevor-Roper%20-%20Hitlers%20Table%20Talk%201941-1944%20%28His%20Private%20Conversations%29.pdf

    “What India was for England, the territories of Russia will be
    for us. If only I could make the German people understand
    what this space means for our future! Colonies are a precarious possession, but this ground is safely ours. Europe is
    not a geographic entity, it’s a racial entity. We understand now
    why the Chinese shut themselves up behind a wall to protect
    themselves against the eternal attacks of theMongols. One could
    sometimes wish that a huge wall might protect the new territories of the East against the masses of Central Asia; but that’s
    contrary to the teachings of history. The fact is that a too great
    feeling of security provokes, in the long run, a relaxation of
    forces. I think the best wall will always be a wall of human
    breasts !”

    From page 25:

    “We must no longer allow Germans to emigrate to America.
    On the contrary, we must attract the Norwegians, the Swedes,
    the Danes and the Dutch into our Eastern territories. They’ll
    become members of the German Reich. Our duty is methodically to pursue a racial policy. We’re compelled to do so, if only
    to combat the degeneration which is beginning to threaten us by
    reason of unions that in a way are consanguineous.
    As for the Swiss, we can use them, at the best, as hotelkeepers.
    We have no reason to dry up the marshes. We shall take only
    the best land, the best sites. In the marshy region, we shall
    instal a gigantic plain for manœuvres, three hundred and fifty
    kilometres by four hundred, making use of the rivers and the
    obstacles nature supplies.”

    So, Hitler also wanted to recruit Germanic peoples from outside of the Reich to help settle Germany’s newly conquered eastern territories.

    My original point of bringing this up was to show that the intended colonies were not supposed to spread much in what is today Russia (or even the RSSR back in the 1930s-40s). Here is the map with where they wanted to settle, essentially just the Baltic states (even without Estonia, for some strange reason, but instead with Ingermanland, which is just a dark, swampy area). And parts of Central Ukraine, not even Western. Russia and even Belarus are not even touched. Besides the demarkation of this hypothetical settlement doesn’t mean that it would be filled with Germans everywhere – they would be scattered across communities, similar to how it was in the Middle Ages. They may try to take the best areas, though. The point is that we don’t really know and cannot so easily assume / conclude that most Eastern Slavs would be murdered. That’s not to say that this plan should somehow be accepted or approved.

    Thanks for this map. I guess that if the Germans will ever run out of room there, though, then they could subsequently expand and settle elsewhere.

    The impression that I got is that the useful Slavs (servants, farmers, et cetera) would be allowed to remain while the redundant Slavs would be encouraged or even forced to move to Siberia, Central Asia, the Russian Far East, et cetera, unless they want to risk starving, if there won’t be enough available food for them. I don’t know just how many Slavs would have been redundant but it could have quite possibly been in the tens of millions.

    As a side note, if we’re talking about German colonization, here are some thoughts about this topic from a book written by a German-born Brit near the start of World War I:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=VMg9AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA107&dq=ellis+barker+baltics+farmers+germany&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjBhcv645WEAxVHKkQIHfq2BgsQ6AF6BAgNEAI#v=onepage&q=ellis%20barker%20baltics%20farmers%20germany&f=false

    Had Germany won WWI, your own country could have been Lebensraum for the victorious Germans. As it was, when the USSR won WWII, your own country became Lebensraum for the victorious Soviets.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ

    Here is another map of what they seem to have had in mind "The Greater Germany in the future" - it looks like they had planned to build a wall there separating them from most of Russia, hm, pretty straightforward, I guess 😊 it kind of cracks me up how they have placed those soldiers facing the East.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/P_20221107_205156_vHDR_Auto_%281%29.jpg

    Thank you for that WWI era fragment, very amusing to read that. How come you found this book? It's funny how these geopolitical musings seem so similar to the ones today.

    Since you understand Russian, here is the video with Mark Solonin (btw, he's Jewish). He mentions the two Generalplan Ost drafts (200 pages long), but he says they were never officially approved.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs03XfLNi_U&t=386s

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

  435. LatW: Of course, if you want to discuss Lebensraum, you can also discuss it in a context where Russia’s 20th century demographic potential was not destroyed, such as if there would have been no Bolshevik coup in Russia back in 1917. In such a scenario, Russia would have had many more settlers to send to remote parts of its empire, as would Ukraine and Belarus, assuming that they would have remained under Russian rule in such a scenario.

    Also, here’s an American example of Lebensraum in action:

    I think that having Russians pursue Lebensraum is more interesting than having Germans pursue Lebensraum simply because Russians had many more extra people to spare than the Germans had before Nazis and Communists jointly destroyed a lot of Russia’s 20th century demographic potential.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ


    I think that having Russians pursue Lebensraum is more interesting than having Germans pursue Lebensraum simply because Russians had many more extra people to spare than the Germans had before Nazis and Communists jointly destroyed a lot of Russia’s 20th century demographic potential.

     

    I meant both as alternate history scenarios, obviously. Though Russian Lebensraum could have been humane if done under a liberal government, such as under, say, the Right SRs.
  436. @sudden death
    @AP

    All in all Finland also waged the war nearly 4 years, it wasn't just 3 month long Winter War, which led to final resolution in 1944, thus keeping Finland population eternally out of soviet shizoeconomics/agriculture and not experiencing joys of siberian vacations afterwards;)

    Replies: @Beckow, @Gerard1234

    All in all Finland also waged the war nearly 4 years

    Even for a dipshit of a nothing country – its very bizarre you would be stupid enough to openly praise the fact that the Finns fought WITH the Nazi’s in all this time. How dumb (or evil) are you? You could go further and admit the Germans were critical to Finnish Communists not winning the civil war .

    thus keeping Finland population eternally out of soviet shizoeconomics/agriculture

    One of conditions for Soviets not annihilating the Finns ( and also possibly not placing Mannerheim on war crimes trial at Nuremberg) after they betrayed the agreements after the Winter War and fought with the Nazis against the Soviet Union……..was ending the ban on the Communist Party of Finland you idiot. They had a Communist Prime Minister immediately after the war, and they played their part in numerous coalition governments.

    experiencing joys of siberian vacations afterwards;)

    1. Siberia is fantastic you tramp
    2. Have you tried holiday in Finland? If not there for the nature or the fishing which is great, then its as boring as f**k you cretin – unless one of the Finns decide to suicide themselves from boredom again out of your hotel window

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Gerard1234


    They had a Communist Prime Minister immediately after the war
     
    As usual obsessive compulsive liar can't stop lying even knowing beforehand that he''ll be caught immediately, lol

    Between 1944 and 1979 support of the Finnish People's Democratic League was in the range of 17%–24%. Communists participated in several cabinets, but Finland never had a communist Prime Minister or President.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Finland

    Despite having commies legalized, Finland remained more or less, but normal market economy all the time post WWII, weren't colonised by incoming Soviet sent population, Finnish women and children were not kicked out from their homes into cattle trains and regularly sent into Soviet northern slavery plantations to live without having right to return until Stalin croaked.
  437. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    That explanation never made sense given that NATO was already on the border via the Baltics.
     
    Yes, but he wanted to make sure NATO stayed weak (relatively unarmed) or ideally, completely neutered in Eastern Europe. After 2014, the security situation had started to slightly change because of the events in Ukraine - the EE countries had started to talk about their security more seriously, plus Ukraine herself was arming, they definitely must have wanted to stop that (regardless of what NATO's formal steps were).

    It seems like the overall plan of Putin and the Security council must have been the following:

    - Issue the ultimatum of December 2021 (directed quite obviously at Washington and the heads of states of the biggest NATO countries, over the heads of the EEs), demanding that NATO stop its expansion and that NATO demilitarize in agreement to what RusFed finds acceptable or even better - desirable (there is a Russian word for it - hotelka, namely, a desirable outcome or whim, entitled thinking). They wanted to dictate to the EE capitals how many troops are allowed on their own soil, missiles, etc. How many troops can train together, etc (all the while maintaining unfriendly rhetoric). It is not entirely clear what they meant regarding the 1997 - whether they wanted the countries of Eastern Europe (including Poland!), to roll back to where they were in terms of their own armament and militaries in 1997 and prior, or they wanted NATO to leave entirely (eg., for those states to exit NATO); most likely, to keep NATO as a mere formality (while they themselves keep the Iskanders in Kenig, and the rest of the missile coverage over EE);

    - If there is no response to that, start the SMO (which had already been prepared for years) - a quick occupation with the goal to change the government in Ukraine and pacify those who resist (this is why the forces were quite significant, even though their elite paratroopers who were supposed to be real tigers, didn't perform ideally, since they had not fought a regular military recently, but just insurgencies such as in Syria - nevertheless, they did a lot of damage even in the beginning);

    - Once that would've been achieved (Kyiv government toppled and control over all of Ukraine secured), they would be standing pretty much where Batu Khan once stood - and then from that position they could make a real, credible threat to Europe to finally fulfill the ultimatum (reverse the geopolitical trajectory that had taken place after 1991). It could be that their goal was just to receive some kind of a promise that NATO will remain in the state it was in prior to 2022 (or even completely neutered, defenseless), plus probably some political demands. The moment was good - right after Covid which was rough on the US and the exit from Afghanistan. Ukraine, too, was a bit complacent (despite some skirmishes still happening).

    Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson, @Derer

    Yes, but he wanted to make sure NATO stayed weak (relatively unarmed) or ideally, completely neutered in Eastern Europe.

    So NATO was weak in January of 2022?

    Russia is struggling to defeat a military about 1/8 their size and with leftover NATO weapons.

    NATO was weak how exactly?

    I’m not seeing the logic here. Before the war there was nothing stopping NATO from putting missile towers in the Baltics. Putin then claimed there were plans to put Ukraine in NATO and add missile silos to the border. It doesn’t make sense and seemingly depends on people forgetting that the Baltics are in NATO and Ukraine doesn’t qualify. It doesn’t pass a basic logic test.

    The most likely answer is that this is age old Russian imperialism. That is why the NATO excuse doesn’t add up. It’s just Putin trying to gobble up Ukraine and keeping them out of NATO is a side benefit. Putin already gaffed and referred to the occupied oblasts as conquests.

    Putin is also on record stating that:
    1. The USSR was a continuation of the Russian empire and should have stayed in power
    2. The great Tsars were conquerors
    3. Ukraine can be taken in 2 weeks (2014 comment)

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    This all points to a half-pint dictator trying to play conqueror before he is dead. There were a dozen better ways to keep Ukraine out of NATO.

    It is not entirely clear what they meant regarding the 1997 – whether they wanted the countries of Eastern Europe (including Poland!), to roll back to where they were in terms of their own armament and militaries in 1997 and prior, or they wanted NATO

    Since NATO is not a hierarchy who exactly is supposed to respond?

    Do you think it makes sense to threaten force against a medium sized country if smaller countries don’t leave a protection alliance with the explicit purpose to protect against such force?

    It’s like saying I’m going to punch your neighbor in the face unless the other smaller neighbor leaves the neighborhood watch program that protects against violent individuals such as myself.

    It’s insane circular logic. The logic isn’t there because Putin was never motivated by NATO. Of course he would like to push back NATO but that wasn’t the main goal. If the goal was really to keep Ukraine out of NATO then he only needed to keep 1 meter of border contended indefinitely. Yes 1 meter. They can’t apply with a contended border.

    In any case the goal failed because Finland joined and they share more border with Russia than Ukraine. His invasion speech is on record and it’s a fail.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @John Johnson


    So NATO was weak in January of 2022?
     
    Yes, in the Eastern flank, it was weak. All due respect to our troops who are amazing and quite strong, but we simply didn't have the kind of arsenal that Ukraine had in 2022 (their own production mostly) and even the fighting spirit that Ukraine had developed through years of fighting. Let's say, if the Russians had started firing missiles at us instead of Ukraine, it would've been very tough. The situation is significantly better now and we are much better prepared now exactly because of Ukraine's sacrifice.

    I'm not talking about the political side or the deterrent side based solely on the 5th Article, that seems to be working. But the contingency plan was not adequate (not a serious plan). You cannot allow them to come in and organize a Bucha. The plans are changed now and are much better. Ofc, you can argue that they would not have attacked NATO (which is true), but relying on that is not safe. Also, we should not have allowed them to fire missiles into Romania and Poland.

    Russia is struggling to defeat a military about 1/8 their size and with leftover NATO weapons.
     
    This is only because Ukraine is fighting for its life, with immense sacrifices and because they are high IQ. And because of the technological edge of the Western weapons (which are more accurate). Russia is still an extremely strong opponent (which even the US considers a "peer").

    And I wouldn't say all the weapons are "leftover", some of the air defense is the newest out there. I agree that the result is not bad overall (of course, what the troops are going through is quite horrific and the losses are very painful) and things could have been worse. However, the opponent holds a significant chunk of land now. Of course, holding it down is quite costly for them.


    Before the war there was nothing stopping NATO from putting missile towers in the Baltics.
     
    What kind of missile towers do you have in mind? The Patriot really would've been the only ones we would've accepted, we have never been too keen on putting any kind of long range missile installations on our soil. Nor did the Americans want to. Now we will set up our own air defense which works best for our situation and geography.

    The most likely answer is that this is age old Russian imperialism.
     
    Oh, I have never denied this - I tried to prove this here for years. NATO is just one aspect of what the RusFed object to. They've had imperialistic designs since 1991. Just like they did soon after 1918. It's just a matter of when they feel like acting on them. However, NATO does limit their options and freedom of broader maneuverability - this is what incenses their hawks.

    That is why the NATO excuse doesn’t add up. It’s just Putin trying to gobble up Ukraine and keeping them out of NATO is a side benefit.
     
    These kind of go together, it seems. They want to control Ukraine, but Ukraine having communicated closely to NATO countries, makes this even more of an urgency. But it was clear there would be a war long ago. Listen to what Zhirik was saying in the 1990s, I had to listen to that crap since I was a girl (why?) and it's even worse for Ukraine. It's actually tragic.

    Of course, they are enraged that Ukraine wants to be independent and pro-Western or even just nationalist (read above how they call Ukraine "Banderastan", so full of derision), they want emasculation and to be able to permeate state institutions. Which for most neighbors is unacceptable and demeaning. But when you put NATO in the mix, then it gets even worse, then it becomes straight up "betrayal" in their book (and danger). They feel entitled to your loyalty.


    Putin already gaffed and referred to the occupied oblasts as conquests.
     
    I know, it's insane. It so pissed me off when he said that. So retrograde and primitive, and evil.

    Putin is also on record stating that:
    1. The USSR was a continuation of the Russian empire and should have stayed in power
     
    A large percentage of the RusFed population believes this, because this is where they project their power and maybe even self-worth. We have moved on, but they didn't because they feel that they're the ones who lost out and we owe them because of that. There either needs to be a very long and detailed conversation, or we need to get fully armed. Maybe both.

    This all points to a half-pint dictator trying to play conqueror before he is dead.
     
    He has become really fanatical in a way he was not before (even though he was always power hungry and never accepted the status quo after 1991), but his eyes are really crazy now. They simply saw a good moment and grabbed, because they could. You know, don't want to sound ageist, but once you're past 70-72, you change, your decline starts getting noticeable. And yet he's clinging to his power, his daughter even said "Papa should live until 120". Imagine, little Ukrainian girls dying at the dawn of their life, having lives only a few years, and him living 40 more years!!! It's not gonna happen. But just shows their thinking.

    Since NATO is not a hierarchy who exactly is supposed to respond?
     
    Well, exactly, that's why it was so crazy, to assume that all NATO states will agree to this (or even one! Well, maybe Hungary or Slovakia would, but I doubt it - they will run their mouths but will still cling to whatever bennies they can get). But the way they perceive the EE states, as vassals of the US, they assume that only America would need to be persuaded and then America would make the EE vassals acquiesce. They think it's paternalistic like that! Europe is not equal either to them or to the US. But it's not really how it works. Maybe Trump would. :) Although I doubt it, he loves himself too much and would still want to appear dominant. Maybe they thought there would be a NATO summit in response to this ultimatum. Maybe this ultimatum was just some kind of a formal statement, but I doubt it - it sounds like it was for real.

    Do you think it makes sense to threaten force against a medium sized country if smaller countries don’t leave a protection alliance with the explicit purpose to protect against such force?
     
    They thought it could work. It's call ponty in Russian - bluff. Or just threats. If they wanted to review the status quo post 1991, and they planned the war years ahead, they knew they were going to invade anyway, so maybe they presented this as "the new order" or "the new Yalta" of some kind.

    It’s like saying I’m going to punch your neighbor in the face unless the other smaller neighbor leaves the neighborhood watch program that protects against violent individuals such as myself.
     
    LOL. Yea, I'm going to slap this thing that belongs to me but which slipped away insolently (Ukraine is not a neighbor to them but a thing that belongs to them by right, as they believe), I'm going to slap this infidel wife, but the rest of you - I own you too, but all you need to do is give up your guns, lay down, and quit talking to the neighborhood watch. Nevermind that I have Iskanders placed in the middle of Europe. And supposedly now nukes in Belarus.

    Of course he would like to push back NATO but that wasn’t the main goal.
     
    The main goal is to turn Ukraine back from having become what they call "anti-Rossiya". An ideological, military, philosophical opponent or competitor even.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  438. @German_reader
    @songbird


    and attempted to shunt you off on German_reader, who likely never even read the book, despite demonstrating a keen interest in the material from which it drew.
     

    Is that a reference to that I Claudius series that was once discussed here? Yeah, no interest in that. Honestly seems quite degenerate to me to create something with such a figure as the hero/sympathetic protagonist (a bit like writing a novel/making a tv series where you're meant to sympathize with Mr XYZ, who's presented as a great scholar for his profound alt-history thought, and a humanitarian for his desire to alleviate the plight of virtuous pedos with child sex robots...imagine a guy like that as emperor).
    Anyway, since you expressed an interest in this before, maybe interesting:
    https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2024-ai-unlock-ancient-world-secrets/?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTcwNzE0MTk5MywiZXhwIjoxNzA3NzQ2NzkzLCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJTOERZV0lUMEFGQjQwMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiI5MTM4NzMzNDcyQkY0QjlGQTg0OTI3QTVBRjY1QzBCRiJ9.2YLiwKjMPV2UTnBJDAJSjcpwWTQQ-9YKaKnB1NIX7p0

    Much of the article is bs (no, they're not going to find anything related to early Christianity, bizarre idea, and probably not much great poetry, history etc. either, just more 2nd rate philosophy), also seems a bit overly panegyrical (I guess they want to show that occasionally rich Jews use their money for something other than subverting Western societies or trying to bring about war with Iran?), but it seems like it's confirmed now they've finally made a real breakthrough and it will be possible in future to read much of the scrolls.

    Replies: @songbird

    Is that a reference to that I Claudius series that was once discussed here?

    IMO, the genius of the first book (split in English), imperfect though it is, is that Claudius is kind of a background witness to Augustus, Livia, Germanicus, Tiberius, Caligula, etc., and the dangers and corrupting influence of power, and it ends when

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    Caligula is assassinated and the Praetorian guard finds Claudius cowering behind the drapery and lift him up and proclaim him emperor.

    The second book could never live up to that ending, and I don’t recommend it. It doesn’t even seem to have the same tone, but frankly seems kind of culturally incoherent to me because it draws too much from Josephus. In a way, it seems too modern, while simultaneously not being very dramatic.

    a bit like writing a novel/making a tv series where you’re meant to sympathize with Mr XYZ, who’s presented as a great scholar for his profound alt-history thought,

    LMAO. Was Claudius really that bad? I think I would like to read most of his books (in translation), esp. the one on Carthage. (Maybe, one of the ten thousand scrolls they say could be there?)

    Granted, he did marry his niece, and that is ultra-questionable morally and biologically, but I can’t believe it was for deviant reasons. I think the gens system and the constant conspiracies are just too difficult for us to relate to, to understand the reasoning. Though maybe the Empire would have been better off had he married a Parthian princess or daughter of a British chieftain. He did ban foreign astrologers, and seems to have been considerably more conservative than Mr. XYZ.

    Some of the ideas of the possible number of scrolls and their scope might be wishful thinking, but, even if it is just that one room of philosophy, as long as the texts are readable enough, I suspect that there will be interesting things revealed. Old Irish glossary notes are sometimes quite interesting, even though short. I think there would be a certain value in the text itself beyond its subject. Perhaps, in idioms or even unknown words.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    IMO, the genius of the first book (split in English), imperfect though it is, is that Claudius is kind of a background witness to Augustus, Livia, Germanicus, Tiberius, Caligula, etc., and the dangers and corrupting influence of power, and it ends when Caligula is assassinated and the Praetorian guard finds Claudius cowering behind the drapery and lift him up and proclaim him emperor.
     
    If you really found "genius" in this part of the first work, I think that you may have given up too quickly (only viewing the first installment) on watching the whole series, as the first 10 parts deal with this portion of the subject matter. Only the last two installments went past the point when Claudius was found hiding behind the curtains. I've not read anywhere that the film director took any great liberties in deviating from the book.

    Anyway, I took your "tongue in cheek" challenge and tried watching the film RRR. You were right, I couldn't sit through the whole production to the end and only watched the first 30 minutes. Not because I found anything boring about what I did see (quite the contrary!) but because the only version of the whole film that I could locate on Youtube didn't provide any decent translation features. It only translated what was spoken in English into English, but left the Hindi spoken parts without any such translation. :-) To invest anymore time into watching a 3 hour film, where I couldn't understandmost the vast portion of the dialogue seemed counter productive to me.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @German_reader
    @songbird


    Granted, he did marry his niece, and that is ultra-questionable morally and biologically, but I can’t believe it was for deviant reasons.
     
    Supposedly he was one of the last people to know Etruscan, I suppose his works about Etruscan matters might have been very interesting. But on the whole, he was probably a pedant focusing on antiquarian trivia (you get somewhat of that impression from his speech about admitting Gaulish notables to the senate, which is partially preserved on the Lyons tablet).
    His portrait in the surviving sources is devastatingly negative, essentially a total tool of his wives and freedmen. Might of course be questioned how reliable it is, but on the other hand, he did have a non-trivial number of members of the elite executed or banished, which must indicate some serious issues with his rule.
    Btw, I suppose you don't know about any alternative to UR either? Like some others (Mikel, Yevardian, Sher Singh) I find this place increasingly unreadable and not worth spending time on, but rest of the internet is pretty shit as well.

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird, @Sher Singh

  439. @Derer
    @AP

    "If Germany had been able to devote 100% of its military versus 80% to the conquest of the USSR it would have taken Moscow"

    Remember, 90% of German MILITARY death occurred at the East front and 90% of German CIVILIAN death occurred at the West front. You will not find this in the American textbooks - only over-promoted and celebrated Normandy invasions, when the Wehrmacht was essentially defeated by the Soviet great offensive drive.

    Do not take this heroic accomplishment and memory of 27 million Slavs perished from the perennial hate.

    Replies: @AP

    27 million Slavs perished

    That was the total number killed during the war. Including those killed by Stalin.

    • Replies: @Derer
    @AP

    Wrong!

  440. @Yevardian
    @Yevardian

    And yes before AP jumps in, I know Romania left the Warsaw Pact and denounced it

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @AP

    Romania denounced certain Soviet actions and did not allow Soviet troops on its soil, but did it formally leave the Warsaw Pact?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    AFAIK, No, it did not. Rather, it remained a part of the Warsaw Pact until it was dissolved in 1991. I suspect that the reason for this is the risk of a Soviet-sponsored regime change had they actually tried leaving the Warsaw Pact. This risk was real enough in the late 1960s, as evidenced by the USSR's military response to the Prague Spring, though I wonder if it wasn't exaggerated by the early 1980s, when the USSR refused to send its own troops to help the Polish Communist government crush the Solidarity movement in Poland.

  441. @Gerard1234
    @AP


    Ukraine has managed to do a better job of ending Russian efforts to stop shipping from Odesa, than the West has done in preventing the Houthis from shutting down trade through the Red Sea 🙂
     
    Its staggering that such a dumb bimbo f**kup exists as yourself, that can write such obviously stupid things

    1. Russia was enabling the shipping from Odessa you laughable POS. Millions of tonnes of grain and other products were shipped from Odessa under this deal that was working fine. Russian ships guiding them through the route and conducting regular minesweeper patrols (the need for this caused by......!!!!!) . Ukronazis have "ended" f**k all by Russia you thick idiot.

    2. Hilariously 404, in desire for a fake PR victory, fake peremoga, have released Black Sea Fleet from obligations to ensure safe passage of and checking ukrop cargo on commercial shipping.......and generously given Russian military a free ticket to destroy every grain silo, every docking terminal, depot, any part of port infrastructure that they wish to you thick imbecile. Zero point in shipping if there is nothing to transport LMAO. All shipping activity allowed in last few months is from political/economic considerations of Russia and ZERO military connection. Insurance costs for commercial ships to our own ports are reduced if its not actually the ships, but the port infrastructure itself targeted.

    3.Part of the optical illusion about "increased shipping from Odessa" is precisely because the Danube ports like Izmail and the others have successfully been targeted by Russian missiles and drones you dumb prick since the end of the grain deal. Once again, how stupid do you have to be to not understand this? Cargo that should have been unloaded at the Danube ports in recent months has shifted to Odessa.

    4. This pitiful idiotic route is of course a failure, and its a longer, slower route that is actually more dangerous

    5.Far more important is the overall context of everything - the grain harvest was massively down for the last year for 404, this year the yield will be even less and far less hectares have been able to be sowed for a variety of reasons - all related to the SMO. Less grain grown to be harvested,more fallow land, Russia controlling a sizeable part of land of Ukraine agricultural exports, Russia controlling the land and infrastructure of most of (previous) 404's sizeable metallurgical exports...but on the other scale - Ukronazi /NATO sick destruction of Novaya Kakovka dam wrecking huge area of farmland

    6. Not only has the banking, sporting, technology sectors become victims of western geopolitics......it now appears the Insurance industry is new one. NATO insurance companies now appear to be in existence to give the fake impression on insurance for these ships, because if Banderastan (for the first time) isn't lying about the shipping insurance going down (from very very high to just high level) - there would be zero chance this has followed accepted Insurance practice.

    7. So, as is obvious, 404 has done f**k all to stop Russian "blockade" you dipshit. We have commitments to Turkey, China......and it looks like with the large buildup of grain since February 2022 - 404 and their farmers are desperate to export at any price (with the price now significantly down too adding to desperation) , so African and other poor countries may actually receive grain this time, which is completely different to the time of the grain deal when under the PR exercise of "poor African countries starving" was actually a trick to deliver more grain for western countries. In addition, Polish scum using their prostitute Slave in 404, and Lithuanian dickheads who for Klaipeda port by banning Russian & Belarus rail cargo( so the dockers have nothing to do) are creating more of this illusion about ship traffic and volumes of cargo from the Black Sea as these desperate freaks make 404 transport or receive their own cargo which for Klaipeda then goes to Scandinavia, primarily.

    8. What stopped the grain deal was Ukronazis targeting the Crimean bridge (again) and Russian ships guiding the commercial ships for the deal and even the minesweepers. The first terrorist scumbag attack on the Crimean bridge that used and killed civilians, is what lead Russia to give to 404 to the energy infrastructure disaster (LOL - although not for subhuman excrement as yourself who has zero connections to Ukraine and so will not know anybody affected by it). So evil, pointless, stupid and effectively self-sabotaging PR scumbag actions that leave 404 in even worse position than before

    9.Going back to your bimbo nonsense about "stopping" Russia - you are referring to damage to our ships.......but that has little connection to how we can practically effect a blockade of Odessa /all of Black Sea you retard.Danube ports depends on "official" rules of engagement of Romanian AD...... And most importantly that these are ALL western operations not ukrop amoebas you stupid POS. Its like crediting the Egyptians for defeating the Nazis in North Africa in WW2. Ukrop naval operations are even more directly 100% controlled by the west than the air force!! Obviously the same applies to the army. Houthis is with Iranian help....not Iranian control and micromanagement.

    Replies: @AP

    So much desperate screeching from you, but the bottom line is that after Russia ended the agreement to allow grain to be shipped from Ukraine, Ukrainian attacks on Russian Black Sea assets opened the western Black Sea to shipping. Russia can barely use Sevastopol now, and it can no longer stop Ukraine from exporting out of the Black Sea.

    the grain harvest was massively down for the last year for 404, this year the yield will be even less

    In December, Ukraine exported more grain than it did during any month during the lapsed grain deal with Russia:

    https://www.gro-intelligence.com/insights/ukraine-grain-exports-reach-highest-levels-since-the-war-began

    “Ukraine exported 1.73 million tonnes of wheat and 3.45 million tonnes of corn in December, up 34% and 45%, respectively, from the prior month. Ukraine’s December’s shipments, while still below prewar levels, represent larger export volumes than in almost any month under the now-lapsed Black Sea Grain Initiative. Ukraine typically exported upward of 6 million tonnes per month of corn and wheat combined before the war began. ”

    Russia had hoped that by ending the grain deal they would have down much more. But then Ukraine unblocked the western Black Sea.

    how we can practically effect a blockade of Odessa /all of Black Sea

    We see above how effectively the Black Sea ports are “blocked” by Russia nowadays.

    Part of the optical illusion about “increased shipping from Odessa” is precisely because the Danube ports like Izmail and the others have successfully been targeted by Russian missiles and drones you….Cargo that should have been unloaded at the Danube ports in recent months has shifted to Odessa

    Except the overall volume of export has increased and is much higher than it had been before those facilities in Izmail were bombed. Another failed excuse by you.

  442. @John Johnson
    @LatW

    Yes, but he wanted to make sure NATO stayed weak (relatively unarmed) or ideally, completely neutered in Eastern Europe.

    So NATO was weak in January of 2022?

    Russia is struggling to defeat a military about 1/8 their size and with leftover NATO weapons.

    NATO was weak how exactly?

    I'm not seeing the logic here. Before the war there was nothing stopping NATO from putting missile towers in the Baltics. Putin then claimed there were plans to put Ukraine in NATO and add missile silos to the border. It doesn't make sense and seemingly depends on people forgetting that the Baltics are in NATO and Ukraine doesn't qualify. It doesn't pass a basic logic test.

    The most likely answer is that this is age old Russian imperialism. That is why the NATO excuse doesn't add up. It's just Putin trying to gobble up Ukraine and keeping them out of NATO is a side benefit. Putin already gaffed and referred to the occupied oblasts as conquests.

    Putin is also on record stating that:
    1. The USSR was a continuation of the Russian empire and should have stayed in power
    2. The great Tsars were conquerors
    3. Ukraine can be taken in 2 weeks (2014 comment)

    This all points to a half-pint dictator trying to play conqueror before he is dead. There were a dozen better ways to keep Ukraine out of NATO.

    It is not entirely clear what they meant regarding the 1997 – whether they wanted the countries of Eastern Europe (including Poland!), to roll back to where they were in terms of their own armament and militaries in 1997 and prior, or they wanted NATO

    Since NATO is not a hierarchy who exactly is supposed to respond?

    Do you think it makes sense to threaten force against a medium sized country if smaller countries don't leave a protection alliance with the explicit purpose to protect against such force?

    It's like saying I'm going to punch your neighbor in the face unless the other smaller neighbor leaves the neighborhood watch program that protects against violent individuals such as myself.

    It's insane circular logic. The logic isn't there because Putin was never motivated by NATO. Of course he would like to push back NATO but that wasn't the main goal. If the goal was really to keep Ukraine out of NATO then he only needed to keep 1 meter of border contended indefinitely. Yes 1 meter. They can't apply with a contended border.

    In any case the goal failed because Finland joined and they share more border with Russia than Ukraine. His invasion speech is on record and it's a fail.

    Replies: @LatW

    So NATO was weak in January of 2022?

    Yes, in the Eastern flank, it was weak. All due respect to our troops who are amazing and quite strong, but we simply didn’t have the kind of arsenal that Ukraine had in 2022 (their own production mostly) and even the fighting spirit that Ukraine had developed through years of fighting. Let’s say, if the Russians had started firing missiles at us instead of Ukraine, it would’ve been very tough. The situation is significantly better now and we are much better prepared now exactly because of Ukraine’s sacrifice.

    [MORE]

    I’m not talking about the political side or the deterrent side based solely on the 5th Article, that seems to be working. But the contingency plan was not adequate (not a serious plan). You cannot allow them to come in and organize a Bucha. The plans are changed now and are much better. Ofc, you can argue that they would not have attacked NATO (which is true), but relying on that is not safe. Also, we should not have allowed them to fire missiles into Romania and Poland.

    Russia is struggling to defeat a military about 1/8 their size and with leftover NATO weapons.

    This is only because Ukraine is fighting for its life, with immense sacrifices and because they are high IQ. And because of the technological edge of the Western weapons (which are more accurate). Russia is still an extremely strong opponent (which even the US considers a “peer”).

    And I wouldn’t say all the weapons are “leftover”, some of the air defense is the newest out there. I agree that the result is not bad overall (of course, what the troops are going through is quite horrific and the losses are very painful) and things could have been worse. However, the opponent holds a significant chunk of land now. Of course, holding it down is quite costly for them.

    Before the war there was nothing stopping NATO from putting missile towers in the Baltics.

    What kind of missile towers do you have in mind? The Patriot really would’ve been the only ones we would’ve accepted, we have never been too keen on putting any kind of long range missile installations on our soil. Nor did the Americans want to. Now we will set up our own air defense which works best for our situation and geography.

    The most likely answer is that this is age old Russian imperialism.

    Oh, I have never denied this – I tried to prove this here for years. NATO is just one aspect of what the RusFed object to. They’ve had imperialistic designs since 1991. Just like they did soon after 1918. It’s just a matter of when they feel like acting on them. However, NATO does limit their options and freedom of broader maneuverability – this is what incenses their hawks.

    That is why the NATO excuse doesn’t add up. It’s just Putin trying to gobble up Ukraine and keeping them out of NATO is a side benefit.

    These kind of go together, it seems. They want to control Ukraine, but Ukraine having communicated closely to NATO countries, makes this even more of an urgency. But it was clear there would be a war long ago. Listen to what Zhirik was saying in the 1990s, I had to listen to that crap since I was a girl (why?) and it’s even worse for Ukraine. It’s actually tragic.

    Of course, they are enraged that Ukraine wants to be independent and pro-Western or even just nationalist (read above how they call Ukraine “Banderastan”, so full of derision), they want emasculation and to be able to permeate state institutions. Which for most neighbors is unacceptable and demeaning. But when you put NATO in the mix, then it gets even worse, then it becomes straight up “betrayal” in their book (and danger). They feel entitled to your loyalty.

    Putin already gaffed and referred to the occupied oblasts as conquests.

    I know, it’s insane. It so pissed me off when he said that. So retrograde and primitive, and evil.

    Putin is also on record stating that:
    1. The USSR was a continuation of the Russian empire and should have stayed in power

    A large percentage of the RusFed population believes this, because this is where they project their power and maybe even self-worth. We have moved on, but they didn’t because they feel that they’re the ones who lost out and we owe them because of that. There either needs to be a very long and detailed conversation, or we need to get fully armed. Maybe both.

    This all points to a half-pint dictator trying to play conqueror before he is dead.

    He has become really fanatical in a way he was not before (even though he was always power hungry and never accepted the status quo after 1991), but his eyes are really crazy now. They simply saw a good moment and grabbed, because they could. You know, don’t want to sound ageist, but once you’re past 70-72, you change, your decline starts getting noticeable. And yet he’s clinging to his power, his daughter even said “Papa should live until 120”. Imagine, little Ukrainian girls dying at the dawn of their life, having lives only a few years, and him living 40 more years!!! It’s not gonna happen. But just shows their thinking.

    Since NATO is not a hierarchy who exactly is supposed to respond?

    Well, exactly, that’s why it was so crazy, to assume that all NATO states will agree to this (or even one! Well, maybe Hungary or Slovakia would, but I doubt it – they will run their mouths but will still cling to whatever bennies they can get). But the way they perceive the EE states, as vassals of the US, they assume that only America would need to be persuaded and then America would make the EE vassals acquiesce. They think it’s paternalistic like that! Europe is not equal either to them or to the US. But it’s not really how it works. Maybe Trump would. 🙂 Although I doubt it, he loves himself too much and would still want to appear dominant. Maybe they thought there would be a NATO summit in response to this ultimatum. Maybe this ultimatum was just some kind of a formal statement, but I doubt it – it sounds like it was for real.

    Do you think it makes sense to threaten force against a medium sized country if smaller countries don’t leave a protection alliance with the explicit purpose to protect against such force?

    They thought it could work. It’s call ponty in Russian – bluff. Or just threats. If they wanted to review the status quo post 1991, and they planned the war years ahead, they knew they were going to invade anyway, so maybe they presented this as “the new order” or “the new Yalta” of some kind.

    It’s like saying I’m going to punch your neighbor in the face unless the other smaller neighbor leaves the neighborhood watch program that protects against violent individuals such as myself.

    LOL. Yea, I’m going to slap this thing that belongs to me but which slipped away insolently (Ukraine is not a neighbor to them but a thing that belongs to them by right, as they believe), I’m going to slap this infidel wife, but the rest of you – I own you too, but all you need to do is give up your guns, lay down, and quit talking to the neighborhood watch. Nevermind that I have Iskanders placed in the middle of Europe. And supposedly now nukes in Belarus.

    Of course he would like to push back NATO but that wasn’t the main goal.

    The main goal is to turn Ukraine back from having become what they call “anti-Rossiya”. An ideological, military, philosophical opponent or competitor even.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @LatW

    Yes, in the Eastern flank, it was weak. All due respect to our troops who are amazing and quite strong, but we simply didn’t have the kind of arsenal that Ukraine had in 2022 (their own production mostly) and even the fighting spirit that Ukraine had developed through years of fighting. Let’s say, if the Russians had started firing missiles at us instead of Ukraine, it would’ve been very tough.

    No it would not have been tough. The US/UK would have established air dominance if he tried that with Poland or the Baltics. It would have been similar to Iraq where tanks don't last long because of US air power.

    The US has an anti-missile defense system on both land and at sea.

    Ukraine started without such a system and the main Russian attack was on the ground. The Russian cruise missiles mostly hit civilian areas.

    Putin had to go after a non-NATO country. The NATO alliance is clearly enough of a deterrent. NATO was not weak but they were certainly slow to respond. It was simply assumed at the beginning that Kiev would fall and the war would become urban and partisan.

    And I wouldn’t say all the weapons are “leftover”, some of the air defense is the newest out there. I agree that the result is not bad overall (of course, what the troops are going through is quite horrific and the losses are very painful)

    The bulk is leftover. Tanks, artillery, fighting vehicles, and small arms.

    HIMARS/ATACMS/Javalins/INLAWs are indeed new. The modern anti-tank weapons definitely helped them push Russia out of Kiev. But they are running out of those weapons and are turning to drones and small arms with 90s weapons.


    1. The USSR was a continuation of the Russian empire and should have stayed in power
     
    A large percentage of the RusFed population believes this, because this is where they project their power and maybe even self-worth.

    This is very similar to what I concluded after watching interviews with average Russians.

    The USSR still is part of their identity. They also still draw confidence from defeating the Nazis in WW2. They aren't comfortable with simply being Russians in the modern world. They want to feel like they are part of some great power that challenges the West. This is why the Nazi excuse appeals to them. They want to re-live their glory days. It come from a nagging insecurity which has long plagued Russians.

    There is a documentary where these rural poor Russians take part in a "defeated the Nazis" reenactment. You can tell it means practically everything to them as if the war was a few years ago. We obviously have memorial day and other days of remembrance but this was clearly part of their identity and self-worth. Reminded me of Hunger Games where remembering the war is part of their culture and no one seems to question if it is healthy.

    He has become really fanatical in a way he was not before (even though he was always power hungry and never accepted the status quo after 1991), but his eyes are really crazy now. They simply saw a good moment and grabbed, because they could. You know, don’t want to sound ageist, but once you’re past 70-72, you change, your decline starts getting noticeable

    Early in the war I mentioned this is what a Khan did in SE Asia. He had this built up military and a lot of power. He ruled over a large territory and there was an accepted peace. However once he reached an older age he decided to launch a war of conquest simply because he had the means and was running out of time. He at least didn't make excuses and had the balls to say it was a war for territory. The war however ended up being bloody and pointless. But it really was Grandpa Khan going to war because he can.

    Maybe this ultimatum was just some kind of a formal statement, but I doubt it – it sounds like it was for real.

    It was real in that he really wanted his subjects to believe he tried a peaceful route.

    There was never an ultimatum to Ukraine over joining NATO. That is one of many reasons why his claim of trying to keep Ukraine out of NATO never made sense. He not only cut diplomatic ties with Ukraine but put a bounty on Zelensky. A real peacemaker.

    LOL. Yea, I’m going to slap this thing that belongs to me but which slipped away insolently (Ukraine is not a neighbor to them but a thing that belongs to them by right, as they believe)

    I can't believe how much the Russians fret over the Baltics. Russia is the world's largest country and on Russian TV these losers talk about the tiny Baltics with complete disdain. Like how dare they not want to be ruled by Russia. It's unreal. Who cares?

    The main goal is to turn Ukraine back from having become what they call “anti-Rossiya”. An ideological, military, philosophical opponent or competitor even.

    I think they planned on getting rid of the Ukrainian identity entirely. Ukrainians are more advanced and I think Putin wanted to absorb them and make them New Russians. That would also make a much larger market to compete with Britain and Germany. The Russians have insecurities over the Ukrainians. It's their middle class neighbor that doesn't have a lawn filled with cars. There were captured intercepts early in the war where Russian wives really were telling their husbands to grab a dishwasher or washing machine.

    Replies: @LatW

  443. @songbird
    @German_reader


    Is that a reference to that I Claudius series that was once discussed here?
     
    IMO, the genius of the first book (split in English), imperfect though it is, is that Claudius is kind of a background witness to Augustus, Livia, Germanicus, Tiberius, Caligula, etc., and the dangers and corrupting influence of power, and it ends whenCaligula is assassinated and the Praetorian guard finds Claudius cowering behind the drapery and lift him up and proclaim him emperor.

    The second book could never live up to that ending, and I don't recommend it. It doesn't even seem to have the same tone, but frankly seems kind of culturally incoherent to me because it draws too much from Josephus. In a way, it seems too modern, while simultaneously not being very dramatic.

    a bit like writing a novel/making a tv series where you’re meant to sympathize with Mr XYZ, who’s presented as a great scholar for his profound alt-history thought,
     
    LMAO. Was Claudius really that bad? I think I would like to read most of his books (in translation), esp. the one on Carthage. (Maybe, one of the ten thousand scrolls they say could be there?)

    Granted, he did marry his niece, and that is ultra-questionable morally and biologically, but I can't believe it was for deviant reasons. I think the gens system and the constant conspiracies are just too difficult for us to relate to, to understand the reasoning. Though maybe the Empire would have been better off had he married a Parthian princess or daughter of a British chieftain. He did ban foreign astrologers, and seems to have been considerably more conservative than Mr. XYZ.

    Some of the ideas of the possible number of scrolls and their scope might be wishful thinking, but, even if it is just that one room of philosophy, as long as the texts are readable enough, I suspect that there will be interesting things revealed. Old Irish glossary notes are sometimes quite interesting, even though short. I think there would be a certain value in the text itself beyond its subject. Perhaps, in idioms or even unknown words.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @German_reader

    IMO, the genius of the first book (split in English), imperfect though it is, is that Claudius is kind of a background witness to Augustus, Livia, Germanicus, Tiberius, Caligula, etc., and the dangers and corrupting influence of power, and it ends when Caligula is assassinated and the Praetorian guard finds Claudius cowering behind the drapery and lift him up and proclaim him emperor.

    If you really found “genius” in this part of the first work, I think that you may have given up too quickly (only viewing the first installment) on watching the whole series, as the first 10 parts deal with this portion of the subject matter. Only the last two installments went past the point when Claudius was found hiding behind the curtains. I’ve not read anywhere that the film director took any great liberties in deviating from the book.

    Anyway, I took your “tongue in cheek” challenge and tried watching the film RRR. You were right, I couldn’t sit through the whole production to the end and only watched the first 30 minutes. Not because I found anything boring about what I did see (quite the contrary!) but because the only version of the whole film that I could locate on Youtube didn’t provide any decent translation features. It only translated what was spoken in English into English, but left the Hindi spoken parts without any such translation. 🙂 To invest anymore time into watching a 3 hour film, where I couldn’t understandmost the vast portion of the dialogue seemed counter productive to me.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    I’ve not read anywhere that the film director took any great liberties in deviating from the book.
     
    It felt too modern to me. One reason I didn't like it was because of the way they seemed to insert race into it, though it may have been in a very minor ways - the African dancers, someone proposing a fight between Germans and Africans, the Indian doctor - I can't help but feel it was political and based on later developments, I feel quite confident it was - sort of the beginning of things, which seem to have a runaway momentum now - the new Doctor Who is literally a gay Tutsi or Hutu, forget which.

    Though, I didn't enjoy feeling like I was at a theater either. I forget how many episodes I got up to but it might have been as many as three. Think I still have the series somewhere, who knows maybe I will take up watching it again one day, if they ever publish Claudius's books. But the modest scope of British TV didn't really match my imagination of the scenes in the book. The sound felt bad to me, too much background noise inserted.

    Not because I found anything boring about what I did see (quite the contrary!)

     

    Don't know how conversant Thulean is with Telugu cinema, but I feel like I am starting to perceive why he is so fond of Indian culture, though the scope of my experience of it is still quite limited.

    There's something quite unique about it - at least in my limited experience. Somehow their depiction of gods or demigods or heroes feels much more authentic than anything I ever saw out of Hollywood. It feels like a genuine pagan appreciation for them. Like if it were the Ancient Greeks or Pre-Christian Irish making movies.

    There's an interesting theatricality too (perhaps because it translates better over the linguistic barriers?) that I am hard-pressed to explain why I like, as I generally hate theater, only to suppose because it is so over-the-top. The choreography of the fights is also entertaining too.

    In a very loose way, it reminds me of the golden age of HK cinema, only with bigger budgets and longer run times. Makes me genuinely envious that Europe doesn't seem to have anything comparable. (I don't count Hollywood as it is too culturally schizo)
  444. @AP
    @Derer


    27 million Slavs perished
     
    That was the total number killed during the war. Including those killed by Stalin.

    Replies: @Derer

    Wrong!

  445. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    That explanation never made sense given that NATO was already on the border via the Baltics.
     
    Yes, but he wanted to make sure NATO stayed weak (relatively unarmed) or ideally, completely neutered in Eastern Europe. After 2014, the security situation had started to slightly change because of the events in Ukraine - the EE countries had started to talk about their security more seriously, plus Ukraine herself was arming, they definitely must have wanted to stop that (regardless of what NATO's formal steps were).

    It seems like the overall plan of Putin and the Security council must have been the following:

    - Issue the ultimatum of December 2021 (directed quite obviously at Washington and the heads of states of the biggest NATO countries, over the heads of the EEs), demanding that NATO stop its expansion and that NATO demilitarize in agreement to what RusFed finds acceptable or even better - desirable (there is a Russian word for it - hotelka, namely, a desirable outcome or whim, entitled thinking). They wanted to dictate to the EE capitals how many troops are allowed on their own soil, missiles, etc. How many troops can train together, etc (all the while maintaining unfriendly rhetoric). It is not entirely clear what they meant regarding the 1997 - whether they wanted the countries of Eastern Europe (including Poland!), to roll back to where they were in terms of their own armament and militaries in 1997 and prior, or they wanted NATO to leave entirely (eg., for those states to exit NATO); most likely, to keep NATO as a mere formality (while they themselves keep the Iskanders in Kenig, and the rest of the missile coverage over EE);

    - If there is no response to that, start the SMO (which had already been prepared for years) - a quick occupation with the goal to change the government in Ukraine and pacify those who resist (this is why the forces were quite significant, even though their elite paratroopers who were supposed to be real tigers, didn't perform ideally, since they had not fought a regular military recently, but just insurgencies such as in Syria - nevertheless, they did a lot of damage even in the beginning);

    - Once that would've been achieved (Kyiv government toppled and control over all of Ukraine secured), they would be standing pretty much where Batu Khan once stood - and then from that position they could make a real, credible threat to Europe to finally fulfill the ultimatum (reverse the geopolitical trajectory that had taken place after 1991). It could be that their goal was just to receive some kind of a promise that NATO will remain in the state it was in prior to 2022 (or even completely neutered, defenseless), plus probably some political demands. The moment was good - right after Covid which was rough on the US and the exit from Afghanistan. Ukraine, too, was a bit complacent (despite some skirmishes still happening).

    Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson, @Derer

    a quick occupation with the goal to change the government in Ukraine and pacify those who resist

    This is very plausible scenario, although Russia was engaged in a velvet war at 20% Russian military capacity. Having huge military exercises with China at the same time.

    from that position they could make a real, credible threat to Europe to finally fulfill the ultimatum

    No…Russia pulled 300000 army from East Germany and unified Germany while London and Paris objected, in addition dissolved Warsaw Pact. Now, in this weaken position in Europe they would make “credible threat” – they are not that insane as you think.

    The slow military tempo in Ukraine is most likely Russian strategy to bleed the West’s economies by the energy inflation as well as the military spending and further NATO disharmony.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Derer


    No…Russia pulled 300000 army from East Germany and unified Germany while London and Paris objected, in addition dissolved Warsaw Pact. Now, in this weaken position in Europe they would make “credible threat” – they are not that insane as you think.
     
    Well, all of that was almost 35 years ago. They were much weaker then (and they did not anticipate NATO enlargement). Do you not remember what the ethos was like in the beginning of the invasion... they were quite confident.
  446. https://www.vidlii.com/watch?v=opOVmSObcad

    FNV Caesar’s Legion Detroit TND

    I found this anthropology documentary very insightful.

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • LOL: songbird
  447. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    Most likely not all that many, maybe even less than there had been historically scattered across those lands. The kind of lifestyle that Darré represents as ideal, or at least this almost utopian agrarian settler lifestyle actually relies a lot on the Frau – there’s a lot of work running the household (even with helpers), and lots of physical labor, although a strong Frau can have many children in this kind of environment (in fact, it is better for having children). But there would still be way more land and space than potential settlers.
     
    I suspect that Eastern Slavs and maybe Poles as well would be eagerly recruited as helpers, similar to how South Asians were recruited as helpers in British India.

    Maybe not even so much India (unless the local population were to be heavily exploited), but rather an America or a Siberia (in the sense that some EEs themselves used to go East for cheap land).
     
    I'm actually quoting Hitler himself here, if his Table Talk is actually accurate and reliable (there are no guarantees of this):

    From page 24 here:

    https://ia601203.us.archive.org/8/items/HitlersTableTalk_1941_1944/Hugh%20Trevor-Roper%20-%20Hitlers%20Table%20Talk%201941-1944%20%28His%20Private%20Conversations%29.pdf

    "What India was for England, the territories of Russia will be
    for us. If only I could make the German people understand
    what this space means for our future! Colonies are a precarious possession, but this ground is safely ours. Europe is
    not a geographic entity, it's a racial entity. We understand now
    why the Chinese shut themselves up behind a wall to protect
    themselves against the eternal attacks of theMongols. One could
    sometimes wish that a huge wall might protect the new territories of the East against the masses of Central Asia; but that's
    contrary to the teachings of history. The fact is that a too great
    feeling of security provokes, in the long run, a relaxation of
    forces. I think the best wall will always be a wall of human
    breasts !"

    From page 25:

    "We must no longer allow Germans to emigrate to America.
    On the contrary, we must attract the Norwegians, the Swedes,
    the Danes and the Dutch into our Eastern territories. They'll
    become members of the German Reich. Our duty is methodically to pursue a racial policy. We're compelled to do so, if only
    to combat the degeneration which is beginning to threaten us by
    reason of unions that in a way are consanguineous.
    As for the Swiss, we can use them, at the best, as hotelkeepers.
    We have no reason to dry up the marshes. We shall take only
    the best land, the best sites. In the marshy region, we shall
    instal a gigantic plain for manœuvres, three hundred and fifty
    kilometres by four hundred, making use of the rivers and the
    obstacles nature supplies."

    So, Hitler also wanted to recruit Germanic peoples from outside of the Reich to help settle Germany's newly conquered eastern territories.

    My original point of bringing this up was to show that the intended colonies were not supposed to spread much in what is today Russia (or even the RSSR back in the 1930s-40s). Here is the map with where they wanted to settle, essentially just the Baltic states (even without Estonia, for some strange reason, but instead with Ingermanland, which is just a dark, swampy area). And parts of Central Ukraine, not even Western. Russia and even Belarus are not even touched. Besides the demarkation of this hypothetical settlement doesn’t mean that it would be filled with Germans everywhere – they would be scattered across communities, similar to how it was in the Middle Ages. They may try to take the best areas, though. The point is that we don’t really know and cannot so easily assume / conclude that most Eastern Slavs would be murdered. That’s not to say that this plan should somehow be accepted or approved.
     
    Thanks for this map. I guess that if the Germans will ever run out of room there, though, then they could subsequently expand and settle elsewhere.

    The impression that I got is that the useful Slavs (servants, farmers, et cetera) would be allowed to remain while the redundant Slavs would be encouraged or even forced to move to Siberia, Central Asia, the Russian Far East, et cetera, unless they want to risk starving, if there won't be enough available food for them. I don't know just how many Slavs would have been redundant but it could have quite possibly been in the tens of millions.

    As a side note, if we're talking about German colonization, here are some thoughts about this topic from a book written by a German-born Brit near the start of World War I:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=VMg9AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA107&dq=ellis+barker+baltics+farmers+germany&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjBhcv645WEAxVHKkQIHfq2BgsQ6AF6BAgNEAI#v=onepage&q=ellis%20barker%20baltics%20farmers%20germany&f=false

    Had Germany won WWI, your own country could have been Lebensraum for the victorious Germans. As it was, when the USSR won WWII, your own country became Lebensraum for the victorious Soviets.

    Replies: @LatW

    Here is another map of what they seem to have had in mind “The Greater Germany in the future” – it looks like they had planned to build a wall there separating them from most of Russia, hm, pretty straightforward, I guess 😊 it kind of cracks me up how they have placed those soldiers facing the East.

    Thank you for that WWI era fragment, very amusing to read that. How come you found this book? It’s funny how these geopolitical musings seem so similar to the ones today.

    [MORE]

    Since you understand Russian, here is the video with Mark Solonin (btw, he’s Jewish). He mentions the two Generalplan Ost drafts (200 pages long), but he says they were never officially approved.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW

    Denmark in Germany? Not bad. Otherwise it looks like the Intermarium of the Polish fantasies. I suspect not too many Poles-Ukies-Balts-Czechs-Jews-Belorussians were expected to survive - how many field workers and R&R women do you thing the Germans would need? And for the Danes maybe just a large breeding farm...

    Why has this fantasy resurfaced and is so popular among the victims of the last one in WW2? We basically have a new Anglo-Germanic push to do the same, this time with more feeling and consideration for how to use the women. But still no long-term use for the men of the region, they are redundant and so are being slaughtered. The R&R has been globalized...why do you people cheer it on?

    I am also bothered by the dude in glasses being much older than the youthful Frau - the loser-male fantasy world is always the same...:) Well, enjoy - Germans this time are a shadow of their former self.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    Here is another map of what they seem to have had in mind “The Greater Germany in the future” – it looks like they had planned to build a wall there separating them from most of Russia, hm, pretty straightforward, I guess 😊 it kind of cracks me up how they have placed those soldiers facing the East.
     
    I think that this map might simply symbolize the WWII Eastern Front front lines that existed back then, in late 1942, before Germany's defeat at Stalingrad. It doesn't necessarily mean that the Germans actually wanted to stop there:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-A_line


    Thank you for that WWI era fragment, very amusing to read that. How come you found this book? It’s funny how these geopolitical musings seem so similar to the ones today.
     
    I found this book by constantly searching for WWI-era literature. For instance, here is another very interesting about, this one being about the various territorial disputes of World War I, the history behind them, and various possible solutions for each one of them:

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t7vm4tb51&seq=10

    (One of the authors of this book, Lothrop Stoddard, was a racist but nevertheless often wrote very interesting and insightful things about geopolitics. Even a broken clock can be right twice a day.)


    Since you understand Russian, here is the video with Mark Solonin (btw, he’s Jewish). He mentions the two Generalplan Ost drafts (200 pages long), but he says they were never officially approved.
     
    Thanks! I might take a look at it later!

    Replies: @LatW

  448. @Derer
    @LatW


    a quick occupation with the goal to change the government in Ukraine and pacify those who resist
     
    This is very plausible scenario, although Russia was engaged in a velvet war at 20% Russian military capacity. Having huge military exercises with China at the same time.

    from that position they could make a real, credible threat to Europe to finally fulfill the ultimatum
     
    No...Russia pulled 300000 army from East Germany and unified Germany while London and Paris objected, in addition dissolved Warsaw Pact. Now, in this weaken position in Europe they would make "credible threat" - they are not that insane as you think.

    The slow military tempo in Ukraine is most likely Russian strategy to bleed the West's economies by the energy inflation as well as the military spending and further NATO disharmony.

    Replies: @LatW

    No…Russia pulled 300000 army from East Germany and unified Germany while London and Paris objected, in addition dissolved Warsaw Pact. Now, in this weaken position in Europe they would make “credible threat” – they are not that insane as you think.

    Well, all of that was almost 35 years ago. They were much weaker then (and they did not anticipate NATO enlargement). Do you not remember what the ethos was like in the beginning of the invasion… they were quite confident.

  449. @Gerard1234
    @sudden death


    All in all Finland also waged the war nearly 4 years
     
    Even for a dipshit of a nothing country - its very bizarre you would be stupid enough to openly praise the fact that the Finns fought WITH the Nazi's in all this time. How dumb (or evil) are you? You could go further and admit the Germans were critical to Finnish Communists not winning the civil war .

    thus keeping Finland population eternally out of soviet shizoeconomics/agriculture
     
    One of conditions for Soviets not annihilating the Finns ( and also possibly not placing Mannerheim on war crimes trial at Nuremberg) after they betrayed the agreements after the Winter War and fought with the Nazis against the Soviet Union........was ending the ban on the Communist Party of Finland you idiot. They had a Communist Prime Minister immediately after the war, and they played their part in numerous coalition governments.

    experiencing joys of siberian vacations afterwards;)
     
    1. Siberia is fantastic you tramp
    2. Have you tried holiday in Finland? If not there for the nature or the fishing which is great, then its as boring as f**k you cretin - unless one of the Finns decide to suicide themselves from boredom again out of your hotel window

    Replies: @sudden death

    They had a Communist Prime Minister immediately after the war

    As usual obsessive compulsive liar can’t stop lying even knowing beforehand that he”ll be caught immediately, lol

    Between 1944 and 1979 support of the Finnish People’s Democratic League was in the range of 17%–24%. Communists participated in several cabinets, but Finland never had a communist Prime Minister or President.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Finland

    Despite having commies legalized, Finland remained more or less, but normal market economy all the time post WWII, weren’t colonised by incoming Soviet sent population, Finnish women and children were not kicked out from their homes into cattle trains and regularly sent into Soviet northern slavery plantations to live without having right to return until Stalin croaked.

  450. Avdeevka is progressing quicker than I thought, that tunnel move was pure genius.

    • Replies: @AP
    @LondonBob

    Didn’t you think it and the rest of Ukraine would be lost in summer 2023?

    Ukrainians held onto Avdiivka as long as the casualty ratio was heavily in their favor. That was its only purpose. If the Russians break into enough of the city and it becomes house-to-house fighting rather than leisurely wiping out large numbers of Russians as they cross fields in no-man’s land the Ukrainians ought to withdraw. This process can then be repeated for half a year somewhere else.

  451. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader


    Is that a reference to that I Claudius series that was once discussed here?
     
    IMO, the genius of the first book (split in English), imperfect though it is, is that Claudius is kind of a background witness to Augustus, Livia, Germanicus, Tiberius, Caligula, etc., and the dangers and corrupting influence of power, and it ends whenCaligula is assassinated and the Praetorian guard finds Claudius cowering behind the drapery and lift him up and proclaim him emperor.

    The second book could never live up to that ending, and I don't recommend it. It doesn't even seem to have the same tone, but frankly seems kind of culturally incoherent to me because it draws too much from Josephus. In a way, it seems too modern, while simultaneously not being very dramatic.

    a bit like writing a novel/making a tv series where you’re meant to sympathize with Mr XYZ, who’s presented as a great scholar for his profound alt-history thought,
     
    LMAO. Was Claudius really that bad? I think I would like to read most of his books (in translation), esp. the one on Carthage. (Maybe, one of the ten thousand scrolls they say could be there?)

    Granted, he did marry his niece, and that is ultra-questionable morally and biologically, but I can't believe it was for deviant reasons. I think the gens system and the constant conspiracies are just too difficult for us to relate to, to understand the reasoning. Though maybe the Empire would have been better off had he married a Parthian princess or daughter of a British chieftain. He did ban foreign astrologers, and seems to have been considerably more conservative than Mr. XYZ.

    Some of the ideas of the possible number of scrolls and their scope might be wishful thinking, but, even if it is just that one room of philosophy, as long as the texts are readable enough, I suspect that there will be interesting things revealed. Old Irish glossary notes are sometimes quite interesting, even though short. I think there would be a certain value in the text itself beyond its subject. Perhaps, in idioms or even unknown words.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @German_reader

    Granted, he did marry his niece, and that is ultra-questionable morally and biologically, but I can’t believe it was for deviant reasons.

    Supposedly he was one of the last people to know Etruscan, I suppose his works about Etruscan matters might have been very interesting. But on the whole, he was probably a pedant focusing on antiquarian trivia (you get somewhat of that impression from his speech about admitting Gaulish notables to the senate, which is partially preserved on the Lyons tablet).
    His portrait in the surviving sources is devastatingly negative, essentially a total tool of his wives and freedmen. Might of course be questioned how reliable it is, but on the other hand, he did have a non-trivial number of members of the elite executed or banished, which must indicate some serious issues with his rule.
    Btw, I suppose you don’t know about any alternative to UR either? Like some others (Mikel, Yevardian, Sher Singh) I find this place increasingly unreadable and not worth spending time on, but rest of the internet is pretty shit as well.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @German_reader


    Like some others (Mikel, Yevardian, Sher Singh) I find this place increasingly unreadable and not worth spending time on,
     
    Mr Hack is here linking a list of those voted "greatest Ukrainians in history", that is so bad it features a fictional character in it, the author of that fictional character is not on that list probably because too obviously Russian,and the fictional character itself is a russian unionist............and you are calling this unreadable?!!!!

    How dare you!!!!

    To add to the (tragi)comedy of the list, for the "1000 year history of Ukraine" there is the failure, disgusting retard scum of Zelensky and Zaluzhniy in the top 10, which even for timing during the start of the SMO, is inexplicable.

    I am surprised that an inanimate object is not in the top 5 of Ukrainians- like the piano this Ze had intercourse with. Though to be fair if Cherubashka and Masha & the bear are terrorists or whatever in 404, then it should not surprise me that Ukrainianism applies not just to (schizofrenic) humans but cross-species and cross-inanimate objects.

    I am convinced Mr Hack is now working for Russian intelligence after seeing that posted.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader


    Like some others (Mikel, Yevardian, Sher Singh) I find this place increasingly unreadable and not worth spending time on, but rest of the internet is pretty shit as well.
     
    If you did not read Ron Unz's khazar/haplogroup post you missed one that is definitely better than the rest of the internet, albeit plenty of skip-worthy commenters. Alternatives are heavily moderated or bot moderated; I prefer to manually moderate by myself by skipping selected individuals on-the-fly. This place was always unreadable and not worth spending time on. 90% of everything is crap.

    Everything. A classics course at Oxford?

    90% crap.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    , @songbird
    @German_reader


    he did have a non-trivial number of members of the elite executed or banished, which must indicate some serious issues with his rule.
     
    My belief is that technological limitations of the age (the lack of mass media and communications) and the size of the empire led to a certain amount of instability. Some of which may have been cyclical or mostly beyond the hands of the emperor - so it may be difficult to compare emperors, even beyond the availability or biases of sources.

    What would be the deathcount of a "good" emperor? I don't know, but a shrinking violet probably wouldn't be emperor long. But perhaps, I am just making excuses for tyrannical figures.

    Btw, I suppose you don’t know about any alternative to UR either? Like some others (Mikel, Yevardian, Sher Singh) I find this place increasingly unreadable and not worth spending time on, but rest of the internet is pretty shit as well.
     
    I know just what you mean. This "blog" seems to have lost a lot of its ecleticism, and fallen into a kind of monomania, which at the worst times or in the worst instances seems like macabre sportsball.

    Though, I can't feel too judgemental as it's generally been tolerant of my sh-tposting and I don't really know a lot about the region itself.

    Afraid I don't know anywhere else. The internet in general is too censorious. It always seems a question of too many filters or too few (all comers might be too many).
    , @Sher Singh
    @German_reader

    We can make a telegram & keep the retardation out.

    Signal also works since people dislike discord.

    The political discussion on here is at the level of celebrity gossip.
    It was already bad before the hot war began.

    It drowns out any other topic & a lot people would come back/join a new platform.
    Even Silvio

    Replies: @German_reader

  452. Reports that Russian troops have captured the railway bridge in Avdeevka and are on the other side of the railway. Claims there has also been a sizeable advance in Pervomaskoye to the west of Avdeevka.

    Also reports that the key strategic hill to the north of Belogorovka.

    Russian troops seen entering Novmikhailovka.

    Fresh setbacks around Sinkovak confirmed by Ukrainian sources.

    Crumbling across the front.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @LondonBob

    Forgot to add about Siversk falling once again;)

    Replies: @LondonBob

  453. Not-The-President Biden’s hatred of indigenous Palestinian Jews could be OPENLY tested in the near future. (1)

    Now that the border/illegal immigration provisions are dying, the White House has threatened to veto a standalone bill providing aid to Israel.

    The House will vote on the standalone bill today.

    Readers here know that Blinken was sent to intimidate Netanyahu to surrender. Bibi of course refused. However, that was somewhat opaque to the public at large.

    Openly supporting Hamas terror by vetoing aid to Palestinian Jews would be crystal clear. And, visible to everyone.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/02/a-border-bill-footnote.php

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @A123


    standalone bill providing aid to Israel
     
    Iz(i)o(n)lationism at work;)

    On a more serious note all that screeching about US isolationist revival due to MAGA rise is quite laughable when all the debates in essence are going about what should be preferable directions of interventionism.

    However Trump surprisingly had some common sense expressed lately, when stating that aid bills should be separated from border issues, so eagerly waiting for the shot caller Mike Johnson to split UA aid question separately aside too;)

  454. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Granted, he did marry his niece, and that is ultra-questionable morally and biologically, but I can’t believe it was for deviant reasons.
     
    Supposedly he was one of the last people to know Etruscan, I suppose his works about Etruscan matters might have been very interesting. But on the whole, he was probably a pedant focusing on antiquarian trivia (you get somewhat of that impression from his speech about admitting Gaulish notables to the senate, which is partially preserved on the Lyons tablet).
    His portrait in the surviving sources is devastatingly negative, essentially a total tool of his wives and freedmen. Might of course be questioned how reliable it is, but on the other hand, he did have a non-trivial number of members of the elite executed or banished, which must indicate some serious issues with his rule.
    Btw, I suppose you don't know about any alternative to UR either? Like some others (Mikel, Yevardian, Sher Singh) I find this place increasingly unreadable and not worth spending time on, but rest of the internet is pretty shit as well.

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird, @Sher Singh

    Like some others (Mikel, Yevardian, Sher Singh) I find this place increasingly unreadable and not worth spending time on,

    Mr Hack is here linking a list of those voted “greatest Ukrainians in history”, that is so bad it features a fictional character in it, the author of that fictional character is not on that list probably because too obviously Russian,and the fictional character itself is a russian unionist…………and you are calling this unreadable?!!!!

    How dare you!!!!

    To add to the (tragi)comedy of the list, for the “1000 year history of Ukraine” there is the failure, disgusting retard scum of Zelensky and Zaluzhniy in the top 10, which even for timing during the start of the SMO, is inexplicable.

    I am surprised that an inanimate object is not in the top 5 of Ukrainians- like the piano this Ze had intercourse with. Though to be fair if Cherubashka and Masha & the bear are terrorists or whatever in 404, then it should not surprise me that Ukrainianism applies not just to (schizofrenic) humans but cross-species and cross-inanimate objects.

    I am convinced Mr Hack is now working for Russian intelligence after seeing that posted.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234

    It looks like I've been able to thoroughly entertain you, I'm thinking that I should send you a bill?..(who's the fictional character that you mention?)


    I am convinced Mr Hack is now working for Russian intelligence after seeing that posted.
     
    You've only now figured this out (kind of slow). Our mutual handler must have informed you. :-)

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    , @A123
    @Gerard1234


    I am convinced Mr Hack is now working for Russian intelligence after seeing that posted.
     
    Sadly, Mr. Hack is mentally ill. I have him on my "Commenters to Ignore" list as an act of medical compassion. His unhinged rants are automatically replaced with a grey bar. I wish he would seek psychiatric assistance, but that is something he has to do for himself.
    ___

    I concur with what several others have suggested. The level of circular verbiage, especially on Ukraine, is quite aggravating.

    Alas, there is no better forum. Mr. Unz created a commenting tool that works for longer posts & exchanges. The only thing missing is a touch up service for minor revisions after the edit window. The systems that I have seen elsewhere simply cannot cope.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  455. @LondonBob
    Reports that Russian troops have captured the railway bridge in Avdeevka and are on the other side of the railway. Claims there has also been a sizeable advance in Pervomaskoye to the west of Avdeevka.

    Also reports that the key strategic hill to the north of Belogorovka.

    Russian troops seen entering Novmikhailovka.

    Fresh setbacks around Sinkovak confirmed by Ukrainian sources.

    Crumbling across the front.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Forgot to add about Siversk falling once again;)

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @sudden death

    Just a matter of time now.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  456. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    IMO, the genius of the first book (split in English), imperfect though it is, is that Claudius is kind of a background witness to Augustus, Livia, Germanicus, Tiberius, Caligula, etc., and the dangers and corrupting influence of power, and it ends when Caligula is assassinated and the Praetorian guard finds Claudius cowering behind the drapery and lift him up and proclaim him emperor.
     
    If you really found "genius" in this part of the first work, I think that you may have given up too quickly (only viewing the first installment) on watching the whole series, as the first 10 parts deal with this portion of the subject matter. Only the last two installments went past the point when Claudius was found hiding behind the curtains. I've not read anywhere that the film director took any great liberties in deviating from the book.

    Anyway, I took your "tongue in cheek" challenge and tried watching the film RRR. You were right, I couldn't sit through the whole production to the end and only watched the first 30 minutes. Not because I found anything boring about what I did see (quite the contrary!) but because the only version of the whole film that I could locate on Youtube didn't provide any decent translation features. It only translated what was spoken in English into English, but left the Hindi spoken parts without any such translation. :-) To invest anymore time into watching a 3 hour film, where I couldn't understandmost the vast portion of the dialogue seemed counter productive to me.

    Replies: @songbird

    I’ve not read anywhere that the film director took any great liberties in deviating from the book.

    It felt too modern to me.

    [MORE]
    One reason I didn’t like it was because of the way they seemed to insert race into it, though it may have been in a very minor ways – the African dancers, someone proposing a fight between Germans and Africans, the Indian doctor – I can’t help but feel it was political and based on later developments, I feel quite confident it was – sort of the beginning of things, which seem to have a runaway momentum now – the new Doctor Who is literally a gay Tutsi or Hutu, forget which.

    Though, I didn’t enjoy feeling like I was at a theater either. I forget how many episodes I got up to but it might have been as many as three. Think I still have the series somewhere, who knows maybe I will take up watching it again one day, if they ever publish Claudius’s books. But the modest scope of British TV didn’t really match my imagination of the scenes in the book. The sound felt bad to me, too much background noise inserted.

    Not because I found anything boring about what I did see (quite the contrary!)

    Don’t know how conversant Thulean is with Telugu cinema, but I feel like I am starting to perceive why he is so fond of Indian culture, though the scope of my experience of it is still quite limited.

    There’s something quite unique about it – at least in my limited experience. Somehow their depiction of gods or demigods or heroes feels much more authentic than anything I ever saw out of Hollywood. It feels like a genuine pagan appreciation for them. Like if it were the Ancient Greeks or Pre-Christian Irish making movies.

    There’s an interesting theatricality too (perhaps because it translates better over the linguistic barriers?) that I am hard-pressed to explain why I like, as I generally hate theater, only to suppose because it is so over-the-top. The choreography of the fights is also entertaining too.

    In a very loose way, it reminds me of the golden age of HK cinema, only with bigger budgets and longer run times. Makes me genuinely envious that Europe doesn’t seem to have anything comparable. (I don’t count Hollywood as it is too culturally schizo)

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  457. @Gerard1234
    @German_reader


    Like some others (Mikel, Yevardian, Sher Singh) I find this place increasingly unreadable and not worth spending time on,
     
    Mr Hack is here linking a list of those voted "greatest Ukrainians in history", that is so bad it features a fictional character in it, the author of that fictional character is not on that list probably because too obviously Russian,and the fictional character itself is a russian unionist............and you are calling this unreadable?!!!!

    How dare you!!!!

    To add to the (tragi)comedy of the list, for the "1000 year history of Ukraine" there is the failure, disgusting retard scum of Zelensky and Zaluzhniy in the top 10, which even for timing during the start of the SMO, is inexplicable.

    I am surprised that an inanimate object is not in the top 5 of Ukrainians- like the piano this Ze had intercourse with. Though to be fair if Cherubashka and Masha & the bear are terrorists or whatever in 404, then it should not surprise me that Ukrainianism applies not just to (schizofrenic) humans but cross-species and cross-inanimate objects.

    I am convinced Mr Hack is now working for Russian intelligence after seeing that posted.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    It looks like I’ve been able to thoroughly entertain you, I’m thinking that I should send you a bill?..(who’s the fictional character that you mention?)

    I am convinced Mr Hack is now working for Russian intelligence after seeing that posted.

    You’ve only now figured this out (kind of slow). Our mutual handler must have informed you. 🙂

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    who’s the fictional character that you mention?
     
    Taras Bulba!

    I can forgive you missing that one from the small image, but surely you would know I would get seriously injured from laughter with an imbecilic poll that has Zelensky and Zaluzhniy anywhere near there, Bandera, Shukhevich etc?

    Ivan Sirko is almost certainly there because of the famous painting by the great RUSSIAN artist Repin ( who like Gogol also isn't there as too Russian). Certainly not because of name recognition among ukrops, which despite the efforts is minimal. "Historians" from 404 have tried to do idiotic exaggerations about Sirko's military history, as he would be very low down a huge list of great commanders of Russian world , but even that doesn't hide fact that he's another one where his primary actions were fighting with and FOR Russia! Sirko not thought about much in Russia (different to the infamous traitor failure Mazepa), Don Cossacks played far more important role in Azov coast coming under Russian control and part of Black Sea coast........so maybe that explains Sirko getting smuggled into the list but guys as Repin, Gogol, Aivazovsky are not.

    Dovzhenko's khokhol credentials are quite high, and he was a quality director, so his absence is a surprise - maybe the decommunisation creates this schizophrenic nonsense.

    Laytnina, Bubka, Blokhin, Chukarin - not just greatest ukrops but greatest people of the world lists they should be on for their sporting achievements, so its very unfortunate that not at least 2 of those are on the list in place of the many scum and slime there. Usik (from Crimea) has disgraced himself since the SMO with his khokholism, but his 2% score here probably a sign that from 2014-22, he was thought of as a secretly Russophile.

    Amosov and Sirkorsky there? Deserving as genuinely great people - but completely schizophrenic to the ethos of 404.

    I could go on and on - even without the genocide in Donbass, refusal to honour any agreements, chaotic/murderous political/mafia system........this completely illogical, contradictory, sadist list is enough to justify punishing Ukraine.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

  458. @Gerard1234
    @German_reader


    Like some others (Mikel, Yevardian, Sher Singh) I find this place increasingly unreadable and not worth spending time on,
     
    Mr Hack is here linking a list of those voted "greatest Ukrainians in history", that is so bad it features a fictional character in it, the author of that fictional character is not on that list probably because too obviously Russian,and the fictional character itself is a russian unionist............and you are calling this unreadable?!!!!

    How dare you!!!!

    To add to the (tragi)comedy of the list, for the "1000 year history of Ukraine" there is the failure, disgusting retard scum of Zelensky and Zaluzhniy in the top 10, which even for timing during the start of the SMO, is inexplicable.

    I am surprised that an inanimate object is not in the top 5 of Ukrainians- like the piano this Ze had intercourse with. Though to be fair if Cherubashka and Masha & the bear are terrorists or whatever in 404, then it should not surprise me that Ukrainianism applies not just to (schizofrenic) humans but cross-species and cross-inanimate objects.

    I am convinced Mr Hack is now working for Russian intelligence after seeing that posted.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    I am convinced Mr Hack is now working for Russian intelligence after seeing that posted.

    Sadly, Mr. Hack is mentally ill. I have him on my “Commenters to Ignore” list as an act of medical compassion. His unhinged rants are automatically replaced with a grey bar. I wish he would seek psychiatric assistance, but that is something he has to do for himself.
    ___

    I concur with what several others have suggested. The level of circular verbiage, especially on Ukraine, is quite aggravating.

    Alas, there is no better forum. Mr. Unz created a commenting tool that works for longer posts & exchanges. The only thing missing is a touch up service for minor revisions after the edit window. The systems that I have seen elsewhere simply cannot cope.

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: Gerard1234
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    Sadly, Mr. Hack is mentally ill. I have him on my “Commenters to Ignore” list as an act of medical compassion.
     
    No matter how many times you repeat this lie, you don't seem to convince anybody of the validity of it. Some other commenters have already pointed out the hollowness of your lies and don't think that you really have anybody here on "ignore". You're the one who thinks that Putler is the savior of Christianity in Europe, that Ukraine is fighting an "offensive war", that Soros is building a new Islamic state within Europe, and you have the gumption to call me "mentally ill"?
  459. @sudden death
    @LondonBob

    Forgot to add about Siversk falling once again;)

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Just a matter of time now.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LondonBob


    Just a matter of time now.
     
    It was always a matter of time. Russia is in no hurry, as the time works in its favor. Based on that, it tries to minimize its own casualties while maximizing Ukie losses. So far quite successfully.

    As to the internal satiation in still remaining Ukraine (according to recent statement of the clown, 74% of its former territory), public figures funded by Poroshenko (Butusov, Mosiychuk) are hysterical, whereas clown’s gang keeps putting lipstick on a pig.
  460. @LondonBob
    @sudden death

    Just a matter of time now.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Just a matter of time now.

    It was always a matter of time. Russia is in no hurry, as the time works in its favor. Based on that, it tries to minimize its own casualties while maximizing Ukie losses. So far quite successfully.

    As to the internal satiation in still remaining Ukraine (according to recent statement of the clown, 74% of its former territory), public figures funded by Poroshenko (Butusov, Mosiychuk) are hysterical, whereas clown’s gang keeps putting lipstick on a pig.

  461. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    So NATO was weak in January of 2022?
     
    Yes, in the Eastern flank, it was weak. All due respect to our troops who are amazing and quite strong, but we simply didn't have the kind of arsenal that Ukraine had in 2022 (their own production mostly) and even the fighting spirit that Ukraine had developed through years of fighting. Let's say, if the Russians had started firing missiles at us instead of Ukraine, it would've been very tough. The situation is significantly better now and we are much better prepared now exactly because of Ukraine's sacrifice.

    I'm not talking about the political side or the deterrent side based solely on the 5th Article, that seems to be working. But the contingency plan was not adequate (not a serious plan). You cannot allow them to come in and organize a Bucha. The plans are changed now and are much better. Ofc, you can argue that they would not have attacked NATO (which is true), but relying on that is not safe. Also, we should not have allowed them to fire missiles into Romania and Poland.

    Russia is struggling to defeat a military about 1/8 their size and with leftover NATO weapons.
     
    This is only because Ukraine is fighting for its life, with immense sacrifices and because they are high IQ. And because of the technological edge of the Western weapons (which are more accurate). Russia is still an extremely strong opponent (which even the US considers a "peer").

    And I wouldn't say all the weapons are "leftover", some of the air defense is the newest out there. I agree that the result is not bad overall (of course, what the troops are going through is quite horrific and the losses are very painful) and things could have been worse. However, the opponent holds a significant chunk of land now. Of course, holding it down is quite costly for them.


    Before the war there was nothing stopping NATO from putting missile towers in the Baltics.
     
    What kind of missile towers do you have in mind? The Patriot really would've been the only ones we would've accepted, we have never been too keen on putting any kind of long range missile installations on our soil. Nor did the Americans want to. Now we will set up our own air defense which works best for our situation and geography.

    The most likely answer is that this is age old Russian imperialism.
     
    Oh, I have never denied this - I tried to prove this here for years. NATO is just one aspect of what the RusFed object to. They've had imperialistic designs since 1991. Just like they did soon after 1918. It's just a matter of when they feel like acting on them. However, NATO does limit their options and freedom of broader maneuverability - this is what incenses their hawks.

    That is why the NATO excuse doesn’t add up. It’s just Putin trying to gobble up Ukraine and keeping them out of NATO is a side benefit.
     
    These kind of go together, it seems. They want to control Ukraine, but Ukraine having communicated closely to NATO countries, makes this even more of an urgency. But it was clear there would be a war long ago. Listen to what Zhirik was saying in the 1990s, I had to listen to that crap since I was a girl (why?) and it's even worse for Ukraine. It's actually tragic.

    Of course, they are enraged that Ukraine wants to be independent and pro-Western or even just nationalist (read above how they call Ukraine "Banderastan", so full of derision), they want emasculation and to be able to permeate state institutions. Which for most neighbors is unacceptable and demeaning. But when you put NATO in the mix, then it gets even worse, then it becomes straight up "betrayal" in their book (and danger). They feel entitled to your loyalty.


    Putin already gaffed and referred to the occupied oblasts as conquests.
     
    I know, it's insane. It so pissed me off when he said that. So retrograde and primitive, and evil.

    Putin is also on record stating that:
    1. The USSR was a continuation of the Russian empire and should have stayed in power
     
    A large percentage of the RusFed population believes this, because this is where they project their power and maybe even self-worth. We have moved on, but they didn't because they feel that they're the ones who lost out and we owe them because of that. There either needs to be a very long and detailed conversation, or we need to get fully armed. Maybe both.

    This all points to a half-pint dictator trying to play conqueror before he is dead.
     
    He has become really fanatical in a way he was not before (even though he was always power hungry and never accepted the status quo after 1991), but his eyes are really crazy now. They simply saw a good moment and grabbed, because they could. You know, don't want to sound ageist, but once you're past 70-72, you change, your decline starts getting noticeable. And yet he's clinging to his power, his daughter even said "Papa should live until 120". Imagine, little Ukrainian girls dying at the dawn of their life, having lives only a few years, and him living 40 more years!!! It's not gonna happen. But just shows their thinking.

    Since NATO is not a hierarchy who exactly is supposed to respond?
     
    Well, exactly, that's why it was so crazy, to assume that all NATO states will agree to this (or even one! Well, maybe Hungary or Slovakia would, but I doubt it - they will run their mouths but will still cling to whatever bennies they can get). But the way they perceive the EE states, as vassals of the US, they assume that only America would need to be persuaded and then America would make the EE vassals acquiesce. They think it's paternalistic like that! Europe is not equal either to them or to the US. But it's not really how it works. Maybe Trump would. :) Although I doubt it, he loves himself too much and would still want to appear dominant. Maybe they thought there would be a NATO summit in response to this ultimatum. Maybe this ultimatum was just some kind of a formal statement, but I doubt it - it sounds like it was for real.

    Do you think it makes sense to threaten force against a medium sized country if smaller countries don’t leave a protection alliance with the explicit purpose to protect against such force?
     
    They thought it could work. It's call ponty in Russian - bluff. Or just threats. If they wanted to review the status quo post 1991, and they planned the war years ahead, they knew they were going to invade anyway, so maybe they presented this as "the new order" or "the new Yalta" of some kind.

    It’s like saying I’m going to punch your neighbor in the face unless the other smaller neighbor leaves the neighborhood watch program that protects against violent individuals such as myself.
     
    LOL. Yea, I'm going to slap this thing that belongs to me but which slipped away insolently (Ukraine is not a neighbor to them but a thing that belongs to them by right, as they believe), I'm going to slap this infidel wife, but the rest of you - I own you too, but all you need to do is give up your guns, lay down, and quit talking to the neighborhood watch. Nevermind that I have Iskanders placed in the middle of Europe. And supposedly now nukes in Belarus.

    Of course he would like to push back NATO but that wasn’t the main goal.
     
    The main goal is to turn Ukraine back from having become what they call "anti-Rossiya". An ideological, military, philosophical opponent or competitor even.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Yes, in the Eastern flank, it was weak. All due respect to our troops who are amazing and quite strong, but we simply didn’t have the kind of arsenal that Ukraine had in 2022 (their own production mostly) and even the fighting spirit that Ukraine had developed through years of fighting. Let’s say, if the Russians had started firing missiles at us instead of Ukraine, it would’ve been very tough.

    No it would not have been tough. The US/UK would have established air dominance if he tried that with Poland or the Baltics. It would have been similar to Iraq where tanks don’t last long because of US air power.

    The US has an anti-missile defense system on both land and at sea.

    Ukraine started without such a system and the main Russian attack was on the ground. The Russian cruise missiles mostly hit civilian areas.

    Putin had to go after a non-NATO country. The NATO alliance is clearly enough of a deterrent. NATO was not weak but they were certainly slow to respond. It was simply assumed at the beginning that Kiev would fall and the war would become urban and partisan.

    And I wouldn’t say all the weapons are “leftover”, some of the air defense is the newest out there. I agree that the result is not bad overall (of course, what the troops are going through is quite horrific and the losses are very painful)

    The bulk is leftover. Tanks, artillery, fighting vehicles, and small arms.

    HIMARS/ATACMS/Javalins/INLAWs are indeed new. The modern anti-tank weapons definitely helped them push Russia out of Kiev. But they are running out of those weapons and are turning to drones and small arms with 90s weapons.

    [MORE]

    1. The USSR was a continuation of the Russian empire and should have stayed in power

    A large percentage of the RusFed population believes this, because this is where they project their power and maybe even self-worth.

    This is very similar to what I concluded after watching interviews with average Russians.

    The USSR still is part of their identity. They also still draw confidence from defeating the Nazis in WW2. They aren’t comfortable with simply being Russians in the modern world. They want to feel like they are part of some great power that challenges the West. This is why the Nazi excuse appeals to them. They want to re-live their glory days. It come from a nagging insecurity which has long plagued Russians.

    There is a documentary where these rural poor Russians take part in a “defeated the Nazis” reenactment. You can tell it means practically everything to them as if the war was a few years ago. We obviously have memorial day and other days of remembrance but this was clearly part of their identity and self-worth. Reminded me of Hunger Games where remembering the war is part of their culture and no one seems to question if it is healthy.

    He has become really fanatical in a way he was not before (even though he was always power hungry and never accepted the status quo after 1991), but his eyes are really crazy now. They simply saw a good moment and grabbed, because they could. You know, don’t want to sound ageist, but once you’re past 70-72, you change, your decline starts getting noticeable

    Early in the war I mentioned this is what a Khan did in SE Asia. He had this built up military and a lot of power. He ruled over a large territory and there was an accepted peace. However once he reached an older age he decided to launch a war of conquest simply because he had the means and was running out of time. He at least didn’t make excuses and had the balls to say it was a war for territory. The war however ended up being bloody and pointless. But it really was Grandpa Khan going to war because he can.

    Maybe this ultimatum was just some kind of a formal statement, but I doubt it – it sounds like it was for real.

    It was real in that he really wanted his subjects to believe he tried a peaceful route.

    There was never an ultimatum to Ukraine over joining NATO. That is one of many reasons why his claim of trying to keep Ukraine out of NATO never made sense. He not only cut diplomatic ties with Ukraine but put a bounty on Zelensky. A real peacemaker.

    LOL. Yea, I’m going to slap this thing that belongs to me but which slipped away insolently (Ukraine is not a neighbor to them but a thing that belongs to them by right, as they believe)

    I can’t believe how much the Russians fret over the Baltics. Russia is the world’s largest country and on Russian TV these losers talk about the tiny Baltics with complete disdain. Like how dare they not want to be ruled by Russia. It’s unreal. Who cares?

    The main goal is to turn Ukraine back from having become what they call “anti-Rossiya”. An ideological, military, philosophical opponent or competitor even.

    I think they planned on getting rid of the Ukrainian identity entirely. Ukrainians are more advanced and I think Putin wanted to absorb them and make them New Russians. That would also make a much larger market to compete with Britain and Germany. The Russians have insecurities over the Ukrainians. It’s their middle class neighbor that doesn’t have a lawn filled with cars. There were captured intercepts early in the war where Russian wives really were telling their husbands to grab a dishwasher or washing machine.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @John Johnson


    No it would not have been tough. The US/UK would have established air dominance if he tried that with Poland or the Baltics. It would have been similar to Iraq where tanks don’t last long because of US air power.
     
    I trust that the UK would've acted, for sure. However, how many fighters did the US have stationed in Germany in January 2022?

    The US has an anti-missile defense system on both land and at sea.
     
    I think the question is about coverage in E.Europe. But I don't know enough about this, I know there are European efforts underway to improve air defense.

    Ukraine started without such a system and the main Russian attack was on the ground. The Russian cruise missiles mostly hit civilian areas.
     
    A ground attack we could most likely handle, also, the preparation for it would be visible long ahead of time. That's why air coverage should be a priority (I'm not sure it would've been effective enough in Jan 2022, although it may have been, we also had a ton of Javelins for heavy armor, etc).

    Putin had to go after a non-NATO country. The NATO alliance is clearly enough of a deterrent.
     
    Oh, that goes without saying. I was just talking about the hypothetical scenarios on the ground.

    NATO was not weak but they were certainly slow to respond.
     
    I think we need to stop viewing NATO as one large, super strong behemoth, but really focus on the concrete capabilities and play out all the possible contingencies very thoroughly. This is what is being done now, actually. But these things change all the time. Recently the Russians have been messing with the GPS system in the region (even in parts of Scandinavia).


    The bulk is leftover.
     
    You're right, you meant that these are weapons that would not be immediately needed for NATO ourselves. Leftover in that sense, I was thinking more that you meant they are older weapons, and, while some equipment was older, there are brand new weapons as well. The Storm Shadow missile is quite potent.

    The modern anti-tank weapons definitely helped them push Russia out of Kiev.
     
    Don't know this for sure, but in the Battle for Hostomel they were using their own Ukrainian MANPADs (Igla). But they may have used Western ones as well, although I'm not sure if they had those in sufficient numbers, from what I understood, this was exactly the problem in the very beginning - they took the initial attack with their own weapons, and only then when the West saw that they are capable of this, then the British & the Poles, started sending Javelins & NLAW (and those played a role and were very helpful). Or am I mistaken and the Ukrainians already had a stack of Western anti-tank and anti-helicopter weapons? They should've. I've seen footage of a 20 year old soldier shooting down one of those helicopters with an Igla. It is epic. Some of these guys just have natural skills and are so good at hitting targets! :)


    They also still draw confidence from defeating the Nazis in WW2.
     
    This cult has been renewed, it was actually less pronounced in the Soviet days than now - they have renewed it and turned it into a real cult. Everything hinges on it.

    They aren’t comfortable with simply being Russians in the modern world.
     
    Some are, but many aren't. However, in this case, I also need to admit that Russia's neighbors didn't do a good job being accepting and kind - we were very triggered by the negatives and the ugly rhetoric and did not see the good that was still there in some cases. The elites were always looking up only to the West (then again - the Russians themselves were that away too, sending their kids to the West, buying homes there, instead of developing at home, etc). We should've created our own amicable space.

    A narrative about the positive sides of Russia and our relationship was not created. Also, the things that are elevated and have status in today's "modern" world, are not their forte or are very niche (such as space exploration), and if they happen to have them, then it's not advertised. Although they did have their own pop music influence and such beyond their own borders. But it did not catch on to everyone.

    Either way, none of these things excuse an invasion - that pretty much wipes away all the good will anyway.

    They want to feel like they are part of some great power that challenges the West.
     
    Well, technically, they do have what it takes to be a large international actor - if you consider the resource side (which they have not even used to the fullest), but the thing with the population is that, yes, it is quite sizable, however, not big enough to challenge the US, China or even the EU (although the EU is a separate question with its own nuances). They have demographic problems like everyone else - how many healthy, educated Slavs under 40 in their population? Of course, they're bolstered by Asians (that's always been the case, even during the occupation of Latvia there were Asians there, abusing our population, that's perennial for them, I guess), but still - the Slav is the backbone of everything. And even their Slavic population is mixed - Ukrainian, Polish, Finnic, Baltic, all Russified ones. So they have relied a lot on our populations through out the ages to bolster theirs, and now that's ending. It may also be ending for us. If this really ends, then it's a big deal historically because we had this "mutual feeding and living off of each other" for hundreds of years.

    This is why the Nazi excuse appeals to them.
     
    The "Nazi" is just a trigger for their tribal instinct - everyone who does not submit to their "brotherly" ethos and does not want to be "friendly" (e.g., submit to their narrative & often economic takeover) but who cultivates their own identity - is a "Nazi". That is needed to motivate the soldiers to fight outside of their borders.

    They want to re-live their glory days. It come from a nagging insecurity which has long plagued Russians.
     
    Yes, because the bulk of them were only emancipated in the late 19th century (or even later). The Western populations - much earlier, plus some Western populations were always relatively free (such as some Scandinavians), White Americans, too, became free through the Revolutionary war (and people such as Washington were already rich and free) and they always had agency through the pioneering spirit. Also, for the Russian nation, they are not always fully autonomous - they always have minorities that they co-habit with and with whom they have to deal with / accommodate and that has an impact on their identity. They either have Russian chauvinism or "internationalist" tendencies, the real nation building should've been somewhere in the middle or separately as their own ethnic body.

    There is a documentary where these rural poor Russians take part in a “defeated the Nazis” reenactment. You can tell it means practically everything to them as if the war was a few years ago.
     
    There is a whole genre of Russian WW2 movies - it has always been there, but it has really flourished recently. It is very heavy propaganda. Even before the invasion there were light anti-Ukrainian tones. This is actually a very big deal. It is all part of the so called skrepi - the spiritual themes that tie the nation together. WW2 is a huge skrepa - bigger than ever.


    We obviously have memorial day and other days of remembrance but this was clearly part of their identity and self-worth.
     
    For Eastern European nations this is more important, because they have gone through a lot of wars and there are few other symbols of valiance and masculinity to praise or remember (this is their own fault - if they dug deep enough, they would find them). In the Baltics, we, too, have a whole "ancestral warrior" cult, but it is more connected to WWI. And not everyone participates in it (most people probably don't or do so rarely). In Russia, they tried to venerate the Whites for a while, but they couldn't help but switch back to the Soviets. So now it's a mix of Soviet and Imperial symbols (the St George's ribbon is from the Empire, and it's actually an abuse of an important Tsarist symbol - every man now wears those colors and women make dresses out of it which is total BS and sacrilege - because during the Tsar's time, only the best of the best were awarded it). But because the post-Soviet, post-religious population need these pseudo-religious symbols to tie the society together, that's how it has turned out.

    Now we are in this pathetic state of fighting over who did what - whose victory was this or that, I'm guilty of this too, hehe. But it's important to point these things out, so that the Russians do not appropriate all of our achievements, not because they would receive credit, but because they use it for propaganda and as an excuse for invasions.

    If the Ukes start opening this up and talking about it beyond just Ukraine, it could get funny.

    However once he reached an older age he decided to launch a war of conquest simply because he had the means and was running out of time. He at least didn’t make excuses and had the balls to say it was a war for territory. The war however ended up being bloody and pointless. But it really was Grandpa Khan going to war because he can.
     
    Well, there's some of that here (Putin started comparing himself to Peter), however, they never fully accepted Ukraine's independence, they view parts of Ukraine as constituent parts of Russia. So this is a rather long development.

    Btw, I'm not against strongmen per se, however, they have to be a bit younger and more vigorous (not that I want one of those next door). They can't find one (because it's been so long and the vertical really hangs on his persona). For example, if Putin goes, someone like Kadyrov will not automatically serve the new one. Btw, I heard there is some talk of putting one of his daughters in charge.

    It was real in that he really wanted his subjects to believe he tried a peaceful route.

     

    Hm, I thought it was directed at the outside world, not his subjects. This is what I'm trying to figure out. Why say those things? Right on the cusp of the invasion.


    He not only cut diplomatic ties with Ukraine but put a bounty on Zelensky. A real peacemaker.
     
    They went for a long time believing it is a "Nazi regime" and that the majority of the population is against it, all their propaganda shows months before the invasion (even years), all they did was talk about Ukraine all day in an aggressive tone and it was always about the "regime". They made an incredible effort to talk themselves into believing that this is the reality.

    I can’t believe how much the Russians fret over the Baltics. Russia is the world’s largest country and on Russian TV these losers talk about the tiny Baltics with complete disdain. Like how dare they not want to be ruled by Russia. It’s unreal. Who cares?
     
    Well, I've thought that maybe some longer and more sensitive conversations would have helped, but I'm no longer sure. There should've been a much more aggressive information campaign or rather outreach into the Russian population to circumvent the rabid propaganda, but our governments don't have the will or the resources for this (or they see it as futile). Any tiny bit of good will that is ever achieved immediately gets destroyed by the crazy yells of Solovyov-Shapiro.

    I think they planned on getting rid of the Ukrainian identity entirely.
     
    They were planning on getting rid of the active, cultivated Ukrainian identity - the part that is indigenous and that fuels the nation and has the potential to create a sovereign, political nation. They have murdered actual Ukrainian children's books authors for that reason. The pro-Ukrainian Russophones are another demographic which is dangerous to them, probably more so than the "Banderites from Lviv" or the zapadentsi (Westerners). Because those ones can be really badass and they are physically close. I wonder if this extermination of the Eastern Ukrainians has anything to do with it. If so, then this follows a historic pattern of extermination of neighboring Slavic tribes and political entities by Moscow.

    It’s their middle class neighbor that doesn’t have a lawn filled with cars. There were captured intercepts early in the war where Russian wives really were telling their husbands to grab a dishwasher or washing machine.
     
    You know, in the beginning I was appalled and pissed off about this, but then I realized that these so called "deep people" simply need help. The RusFed improved the living standards in the recent years and they tried to spread the oil money around, however, not sufficiently - the differences in wealth are still way too high. Moscow is too much of a parasite. They should've brought dishwashers and porcelain toilets to all those distant areas, and taken care of their people. However, historically, these people have been expendable for the rulers.

    Also, improving their living standards may have helped a little, but it may not have changed their morality because that lies in the person's soul - those muzhiks may still agree to go and murder people in another country if they were promised a lot of money, maybe even egged on by their wives. Btw, some of the wives of the soldiers are wailing, they are in hell now.
  462. Ukie MSM suggest that Zaluzhnyi will be fired and sent as an ambassador to the UK. Maybe he hopes that in London he will be a lot safer than in Kiev. That will be true only if the imperial puppeteers do not decide to eliminate him. Judging by what the UK authorities are doing with Assange, the UK will commit any crime imaginable on the orders of its Washington masters.

    Another news: several German media outlets report that Sweden is about to stop its investigation of the terrorist act on Nordstreams. Makes sense, as they wouldn’t be allowed to blame the real perpetrators of this crime regardless of the evidence. Waiting for the other imperial sidekicks to abandon this politically incorrect investigation.

  463. @A123
    Not-The-President Biden's hatred of indigenous Palestinian Jews could be OPENLY tested in the near future. (1)

    Now that the border/illegal immigration provisions are dying, the White House has threatened to veto a standalone bill providing aid to Israel.

    The House will vote on the standalone bill today.
     
    Readers here know that Blinken was sent to intimidate Netanyahu to surrender. Bibi of course refused. However, that was somewhat opaque to the public at large.

    Openly supporting Hamas terror by vetoing aid to Palestinian Jews would be crystal clear. And, visible to everyone.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/02/a-border-bill-footnote.php

    Replies: @sudden death

    standalone bill providing aid to Israel

    Iz(i)o(n)lationism at work;)

    On a more serious note all that screeching about US isolationist revival due to MAGA rise is quite laughable when all the debates in essence are going about what should be preferable directions of interventionism.

    However Trump surprisingly had some common sense expressed lately, when stating that aid bills should be separated from border issues, so eagerly waiting for the shot caller Mike Johnson to split UA aid question separately aside too;)

  464. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ

    Here is another map of what they seem to have had in mind "The Greater Germany in the future" - it looks like they had planned to build a wall there separating them from most of Russia, hm, pretty straightforward, I guess 😊 it kind of cracks me up how they have placed those soldiers facing the East.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/P_20221107_205156_vHDR_Auto_%281%29.jpg

    Thank you for that WWI era fragment, very amusing to read that. How come you found this book? It's funny how these geopolitical musings seem so similar to the ones today.

    Since you understand Russian, here is the video with Mark Solonin (btw, he's Jewish). He mentions the two Generalplan Ost drafts (200 pages long), but he says they were never officially approved.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs03XfLNi_U&t=386s

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    Denmark in Germany? Not bad. Otherwise it looks like the Intermarium of the Polish fantasies. I suspect not too many Poles-Ukies-Balts-Czechs-Jews-Belorussians were expected to survive – how many field workers and R&R women do you thing the Germans would need? And for the Danes maybe just a large breeding farm…

    Why has this fantasy resurfaced and is so popular among the victims of the last one in WW2? We basically have a new Anglo-Germanic push to do the same, this time with more feeling and consideration for how to use the women. But still no long-term use for the men of the region, they are redundant and so are being slaughtered. The R&R has been globalized…why do you people cheer it on?

    I am also bothered by the dude in glasses being much older than the youthful Frau – the loser-male fantasy world is always the same…:) Well, enjoy – Germans this time are a shadow of their former self.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    I suspect not too many Poles-Ukies-Balts-Czechs-Jews-Belorussians were expected to survive
     
    I can't speak for all those nationalities, but we, the Balts, survived for 700 years with Germans. :) I think the key is to be useful to each other. :)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

  465. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Granted, he did marry his niece, and that is ultra-questionable morally and biologically, but I can’t believe it was for deviant reasons.
     
    Supposedly he was one of the last people to know Etruscan, I suppose his works about Etruscan matters might have been very interesting. But on the whole, he was probably a pedant focusing on antiquarian trivia (you get somewhat of that impression from his speech about admitting Gaulish notables to the senate, which is partially preserved on the Lyons tablet).
    His portrait in the surviving sources is devastatingly negative, essentially a total tool of his wives and freedmen. Might of course be questioned how reliable it is, but on the other hand, he did have a non-trivial number of members of the elite executed or banished, which must indicate some serious issues with his rule.
    Btw, I suppose you don't know about any alternative to UR either? Like some others (Mikel, Yevardian, Sher Singh) I find this place increasingly unreadable and not worth spending time on, but rest of the internet is pretty shit as well.

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird, @Sher Singh

    Like some others (Mikel, Yevardian, Sher Singh) I find this place increasingly unreadable and not worth spending time on, but rest of the internet is pretty shit as well.

    If you did not read Ron Unz’s khazar/haplogroup post you missed one that is definitely better than the rest of the internet, albeit plenty of skip-worthy commenters. Alternatives are heavily moderated or bot moderated; I prefer to manually moderate by myself by skipping selected individuals on-the-fly. This place was always unreadable and not worth spending time on. 90% of everything is crap.

    Everything. A classics course at Oxford?

    90% crap.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    If you did not read Ron Unz’s khazar/haplogroup post you missed one that is definitely better than the rest of the internet
     
    That theory has been doing the rounds for close to 100 years. I highly, highly doubt Khazars contributed a thing to Ashkenazi genetics, but if they did, I honestly don't really care a damn, it doesn't change a thing to me. Unz now seems to be doing regular interviews with Shiite-convert vax-genocide Mike Whitney over the totally unique evil of Israel's determination to win a decisive victory in a zero-sum race war. It really is striking how many people eventually completely lose their minds when they take an interest in Jews, one doesn't have to be any kind of philosemite to notice this.

    Re Claudius, the alt-history trannyposter strikes me more of a delusional Nero figure.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  466. Important we remember what the people of Novorossiya want.

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    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @LondonBob


    Important we remember what the people of Novorossiya want.
     
    From the POV of the imperial propaganda and sidekicks who parrot it that’s a politically incorrect question. As incorrect as the question what does 90% of Crimean population want.

    In fact, on average the residents of Crimea and Donbass are much more vehement enemies of Ukies than the residents of the rest of the RF. Murderous Ukie aggression in Donbass since 2014 successfully turned harmless humorous condescension into a burning hatred. As Ukie POWs repeatedly say, Russian soldiers treat us well, but Donbass soldiers want to kill us all.
  467. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Granted, he did marry his niece, and that is ultra-questionable morally and biologically, but I can’t believe it was for deviant reasons.
     
    Supposedly he was one of the last people to know Etruscan, I suppose his works about Etruscan matters might have been very interesting. But on the whole, he was probably a pedant focusing on antiquarian trivia (you get somewhat of that impression from his speech about admitting Gaulish notables to the senate, which is partially preserved on the Lyons tablet).
    His portrait in the surviving sources is devastatingly negative, essentially a total tool of his wives and freedmen. Might of course be questioned how reliable it is, but on the other hand, he did have a non-trivial number of members of the elite executed or banished, which must indicate some serious issues with his rule.
    Btw, I suppose you don't know about any alternative to UR either? Like some others (Mikel, Yevardian, Sher Singh) I find this place increasingly unreadable and not worth spending time on, but rest of the internet is pretty shit as well.

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird, @Sher Singh

    he did have a non-trivial number of members of the elite executed or banished, which must indicate some serious issues with his rule.

    My belief is that technological limitations of the age (the lack of mass media and communications) and the size of the empire led to a certain amount of instability.

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    Some of which may have been cyclical or mostly beyond the hands of the emperor – so it may be difficult to compare emperors, even beyond the availability or biases of sources.

    What would be the deathcount of a “good” emperor? I don’t know, but a shrinking violet probably wouldn’t be emperor long. But perhaps, I am just making excuses for tyrannical figures.

    Btw, I suppose you don’t know about any alternative to UR either? Like some others (Mikel, Yevardian, Sher Singh) I find this place increasingly unreadable and not worth spending time on, but rest of the internet is pretty shit as well.

    I know just what you mean. This “blog” seems to have lost a lot of its ecleticism, and fallen into a kind of monomania, which at the worst times or in the worst instances seems like macabre sportsball.

    Though, I can’t feel too judgemental as it’s generally been tolerant of my sh-tposting and I don’t really know a lot about the region itself.

    Afraid I don’t know anywhere else. The internet in general is too censorious. It always seems a question of too many filters or too few (all comers might be too many).

  468. @AP
    @Beckow


    You cannot cherrypick what you like as USSR and assign all the bad stuff to Russia
     
    Agree.

    You claim that Stalin, bolshies, holodomor, M-R… was all Russia’s fault
     
    It’s not. Nor is it Ukraine’s fault. Bolsheviks were an international gang who first took over Russia (they had failed to take over Ukraine) and then with Russia under their control they invaded and occupied Ukraine, creating the Soviet Union (of Russia, Ukraine, etc.). The territory they controlled was the USSR. They were Soviets. One could consider the Bolshevik regime of 1919 “Russia” but not after 1922.

    What next: Hasek, Dvorak were Austrians?

    When you start blaming Kaganovitch, Dzerzhinsky, Beria (Ukie, Pole, Georgian…) for what they did, then we can relabel Russia’s WW2 victory as USSR
     
    It’s about accuracy and truth. You try to desperately avoid that, using all sorts of excuses.

    World War II was won in the Eastern front by the Soviets, not only by Russians. Russians alone, without Ukrainian, Central Asian, etc. troops wouldn’t have had a chance to win that war.

    Lying that it was Russia leads to stupid ideas about “Russia’s” supposed invincibility.

    Russia won the war by mid-1943

     

    And there you go, advertising your stupidity.

    The Western supplies to Russia started in substantial quantities in late 1943
     
    No, they started in substantial quantities in the earlier part of that year, by summer. The Soviets were able to stop the Germans without Lend Lease but depended on it to defeat the Germans and drive them out. Massive number of trucks and railroad cars were shipped in. Stalin even admitted it.

    10-20% German losses in the West happened almost fully in 1944-45
     
    Not the Air Force losses. If Germany had been able to devote 100% of its military versus 80% to the conquest of the USSR it would have taken Moscow (which it nearly did, as it was).

    Replies: @LatW, @Derer, @Beckow

    …What next: Hasek, Dvorak were Austrians?

    Hasek was a Czech Red guard who fought on the Bolshie side. He drunk a lot and was funny. There is more to Czechs than your infantile projections…learn something.

    “The Western supplies to Russia started in substantial quantities in late 1943”

    No, they started in substantial quantities in the earlier part of that year, by summer

    Yes, that’s what I said: Germany was defeated by mid-1943 by Russians and the Anglo material help started in summer 1943, there was little use for it until late 1943 – do you understand basic logistics and how it works? The material helped but by then the Nazis were defeated – it follows that Russians won the war before the Anglos joined in. Even when you lie you remain incoherent.

    When you start using everything about USSR consistently and not always blame all the bad stuff on “Russians”, we will switch back to calling it the WW2 USSR victory. Since you refuse to do that and have allied with the Banderites and Waffen SS killers you don’t get to include yourself on the winning side. It is too bad for a lot of decent Ukies who died fighting Nazism.

    How about that “paused” offensive? What a cluster-f..k for the Ukies, how is this a good thing? How can a large, prosperous nation with a golden geography screw us so badly…

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Hasek was a Czech Red guard who fought on the Bolshie side. He drunk a lot and was funny
     
    But according to the same logic that made Ukrainian Soviets “Russian” he was an Austrian.

    No, they started in substantial quantities in the earlier part of that year, by summer

    Yes, that’s what I said: Germany was defeated by mid-1943
     
    Germany was driven from Moscow and other regions but still controlled most of Ukraine (including the USSR’s third largest city) in mid-1943. So by your logic Germany was still “winning”, like Russia is currently.

    As I said, the Soviets were able to stop the Germans without Lend Lease but they needed it to advance.

    When you start using everything about USSR consistently and not always blame all the bad stuff on “Russians
     
    I use words accurately and do not lie. You think that lying is acceptable under certain conditions. It is false to describe an army with millions of Ukrainians, Central Asians etc. whose state was explicitly called a union of various republics (including the Ukrainian one) as “Russian.” The grandparents of Ukrainians fighting their eastern semi-fascist neighbor were not Russians.

    Since you refuse to do that and have allied with the Banderites and Waffen SS killers you don’t get to include yourself on the winning side
     
    Accurate and truthful descriptions do not depend on whose side someone’s grandchildren are. And of course, Stalin was Hitler’s ally no less than Bandera was.

    How about that “paused” offensive
     
    How about it? The Russians may take a town or three as they suffer far more casualties in their failed winter offensive than the Ukrainians did last summer. Ukrainians may or may not unpause their last one. Though Americans are not cooperating, this reduces the chances.
    , @LatW
    @Beckow


    Since you refuse to do that and have allied with the Banderites and Waffen SS killers you don’t get to include yourself on the winning side.
     
    Beckow, it's not about "including yourself on the winning side" - it is about the objective, physical numbers and moves on the ground during those years.

    As to the current Ukrainian population, including them would simply be objective - a significant number of their grandfathers were part of that effort. Even many Balts were, they just don't like talking about it (because the Red army was too mixed and overall not friendly to our nations and because the post 1991 didn't favor them).

    We will dissect all of the Empire and the USSR, if we have to - if the narrative will be used to attack us, we will have no other choice. It's just that people have been lazy so far and didn't care enough. If you want to shoot missiles and invade, we'll start caring very quickly. It would've been better not to go there and lay things to rest, alas... February 2022.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  469. btw, this recent splurge of military huffing&puffing about Donetsk suburbia fighting is probably related with oncoming Putin visit to Erdogan as some field bragabout is desperately needed in the background of blown RF warships and burning oil refineries inside the country?

    Previous splurge of Avdeevka military activity began roughly a week before Putin visiting Xi during last autumn IIRC.

  470. @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234

    It looks like I've been able to thoroughly entertain you, I'm thinking that I should send you a bill?..(who's the fictional character that you mention?)


    I am convinced Mr Hack is now working for Russian intelligence after seeing that posted.
     
    You've only now figured this out (kind of slow). Our mutual handler must have informed you. :-)

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    who’s the fictional character that you mention?

    Taras Bulba!

    I can forgive you missing that one from the small image, but surely you would know I would get seriously injured from laughter with an imbecilic poll that has Zelensky and Zaluzhniy anywhere near there, Bandera, Shukhevich etc?

    Ivan Sirko is almost certainly there because of the famous painting by the great RUSSIAN artist Repin ( who like Gogol also isn’t there as too Russian). Certainly not because of name recognition among ukrops, which despite the efforts is minimal. “Historians” from 404 have tried to do idiotic exaggerations about Sirko’s military history, as he would be very low down a huge list of great commanders of Russian world , but even that doesn’t hide fact that he’s another one where his primary actions were fighting with and FOR Russia! Sirko not thought about much in Russia (different to the infamous traitor failure Mazepa), Don Cossacks played far more important role in Azov coast coming under Russian control and part of Black Sea coast……..so maybe that explains Sirko getting smuggled into the list but guys as Repin, Gogol, Aivazovsky are not.

    Dovzhenko’s khokhol credentials are quite high, and he was a quality director, so his absence is a surprise – maybe the decommunisation creates this schizophrenic nonsense.

    Laytnina, Bubka, Blokhin, Chukarin – not just greatest ukrops but greatest people of the world lists they should be on for their sporting achievements, so its very unfortunate that not at least 2 of those are on the list in place of the many scum and slime there. Usik (from Crimea) has disgraced himself since the SMO with his khokholism, but his 2% score here probably a sign that from 2014-22, he was thought of as a secretly Russophile.

    Amosov and Sirkorsky there? Deserving as genuinely great people – but completely schizophrenic to the ethos of 404.

    I could go on and on – even without the genocide in Donbass, refusal to honour any agreements, chaotic/murderous political/mafia system……..this completely illogical, contradictory, sadist list is enough to justify punishing Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Gerard1234

    Taras Bulba was fake?

    Please tell me you were joking.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234

    Were you aware that Hohol actually wrote two versions of Tara Bulba? The first version had a more Ukrainophile slant to it than the second version. Russia's censors cranked up the pressure on Hohol and voila he came out with a more Russophile version. I got a hold of the first version as a teenager and can unequivocally state that more than Shevchenko, Franko or anybody else, Hohol influenced my Ukrainophilic feelings. I must have read it 10 times, loved the book immensely, and am forever grateful to Hohol for planting the Ukrainian seed.

  471. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    who’s the fictional character that you mention?
     
    Taras Bulba!

    I can forgive you missing that one from the small image, but surely you would know I would get seriously injured from laughter with an imbecilic poll that has Zelensky and Zaluzhniy anywhere near there, Bandera, Shukhevich etc?

    Ivan Sirko is almost certainly there because of the famous painting by the great RUSSIAN artist Repin ( who like Gogol also isn't there as too Russian). Certainly not because of name recognition among ukrops, which despite the efforts is minimal. "Historians" from 404 have tried to do idiotic exaggerations about Sirko's military history, as he would be very low down a huge list of great commanders of Russian world , but even that doesn't hide fact that he's another one where his primary actions were fighting with and FOR Russia! Sirko not thought about much in Russia (different to the infamous traitor failure Mazepa), Don Cossacks played far more important role in Azov coast coming under Russian control and part of Black Sea coast........so maybe that explains Sirko getting smuggled into the list but guys as Repin, Gogol, Aivazovsky are not.

    Dovzhenko's khokhol credentials are quite high, and he was a quality director, so his absence is a surprise - maybe the decommunisation creates this schizophrenic nonsense.

    Laytnina, Bubka, Blokhin, Chukarin - not just greatest ukrops but greatest people of the world lists they should be on for their sporting achievements, so its very unfortunate that not at least 2 of those are on the list in place of the many scum and slime there. Usik (from Crimea) has disgraced himself since the SMO with his khokholism, but his 2% score here probably a sign that from 2014-22, he was thought of as a secretly Russophile.

    Amosov and Sirkorsky there? Deserving as genuinely great people - but completely schizophrenic to the ethos of 404.

    I could go on and on - even without the genocide in Donbass, refusal to honour any agreements, chaotic/murderous political/mafia system........this completely illogical, contradictory, sadist list is enough to justify punishing Ukraine.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    Taras Bulba was fake?

    Please tell me you were joking.

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Sorry but I don't know if you are joking, ironic or serious here?

    But yes he is not real - certainly if he was real it would be a greater surprise to me than discovering the earth is actually flat

  472. @LondonBob
    Important we remember what the people of Novorossiya want.



    https://twitter.com/johnnyjmils/status/1754883455823843390?t=mCymAYodGXll8IhZ1hmNIA&s=19

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Important we remember what the people of Novorossiya want.

    From the POV of the imperial propaganda and sidekicks who parrot it that’s a politically incorrect question. As incorrect as the question what does 90% of Crimean population want.

    In fact, on average the residents of Crimea and Donbass are much more vehement enemies of Ukies than the residents of the rest of the RF. Murderous Ukie aggression in Donbass since 2014 successfully turned harmless humorous condescension into a burning hatred. As Ukie POWs repeatedly say, Russian soldiers treat us well, but Donbass soldiers want to kill us all.

  473. @A123
    @Gerard1234


    I am convinced Mr Hack is now working for Russian intelligence after seeing that posted.
     
    Sadly, Mr. Hack is mentally ill. I have him on my "Commenters to Ignore" list as an act of medical compassion. His unhinged rants are automatically replaced with a grey bar. I wish he would seek psychiatric assistance, but that is something he has to do for himself.
    ___

    I concur with what several others have suggested. The level of circular verbiage, especially on Ukraine, is quite aggravating.

    Alas, there is no better forum. Mr. Unz created a commenting tool that works for longer posts & exchanges. The only thing missing is a touch up service for minor revisions after the edit window. The systems that I have seen elsewhere simply cannot cope.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Sadly, Mr. Hack is mentally ill. I have him on my “Commenters to Ignore” list as an act of medical compassion.

    No matter how many times you repeat this lie, you don’t seem to convince anybody of the validity of it. Some other commenters have already pointed out the hollowness of your lies and don’t think that you really have anybody here on “ignore”. You’re the one who thinks that Putler is the savior of Christianity in Europe, that Ukraine is fighting an “offensive war”, that Soros is building a new Islamic state within Europe, and you have the gumption to call me “mentally ill”?

  474. Germany calculated that its total support of current Kiev regime (things that have already been delivered plus those the delivery of which has already been approved and financed) costed the country about 30 billion euro. Meeting the demands of German farmers would be a lot cheaper, but politically incorrect from the POV of imperial lackeys.

    The results are utterly disappointing. However, here is the consolation: Germany spent on the war with the USSR in 1941-45 a lot more, with equally disappointing results. As German philosopher Hegel said, “we learn from history that we do not learn from history”.

  475. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    who’s the fictional character that you mention?
     
    Taras Bulba!

    I can forgive you missing that one from the small image, but surely you would know I would get seriously injured from laughter with an imbecilic poll that has Zelensky and Zaluzhniy anywhere near there, Bandera, Shukhevich etc?

    Ivan Sirko is almost certainly there because of the famous painting by the great RUSSIAN artist Repin ( who like Gogol also isn't there as too Russian). Certainly not because of name recognition among ukrops, which despite the efforts is minimal. "Historians" from 404 have tried to do idiotic exaggerations about Sirko's military history, as he would be very low down a huge list of great commanders of Russian world , but even that doesn't hide fact that he's another one where his primary actions were fighting with and FOR Russia! Sirko not thought about much in Russia (different to the infamous traitor failure Mazepa), Don Cossacks played far more important role in Azov coast coming under Russian control and part of Black Sea coast........so maybe that explains Sirko getting smuggled into the list but guys as Repin, Gogol, Aivazovsky are not.

    Dovzhenko's khokhol credentials are quite high, and he was a quality director, so his absence is a surprise - maybe the decommunisation creates this schizophrenic nonsense.

    Laytnina, Bubka, Blokhin, Chukarin - not just greatest ukrops but greatest people of the world lists they should be on for their sporting achievements, so its very unfortunate that not at least 2 of those are on the list in place of the many scum and slime there. Usik (from Crimea) has disgraced himself since the SMO with his khokholism, but his 2% score here probably a sign that from 2014-22, he was thought of as a secretly Russophile.

    Amosov and Sirkorsky there? Deserving as genuinely great people - but completely schizophrenic to the ethos of 404.

    I could go on and on - even without the genocide in Donbass, refusal to honour any agreements, chaotic/murderous political/mafia system........this completely illogical, contradictory, sadist list is enough to justify punishing Ukraine.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    Were you aware that Hohol actually wrote two versions of Tara Bulba? The first version had a more Ukrainophile slant to it than the second version. Russia’s censors cranked up the pressure on Hohol and voila he came out with a more Russophile version. I got a hold of the first version as a teenager and can unequivocally state that more than Shevchenko, Franko or anybody else, Hohol influenced my Ukrainophilic feelings. I must have read it 10 times, loved the book immensely, and am forever grateful to Hohol for planting the Ukrainian seed.

  476. @John Johnson
    @LatW

    Yes, in the Eastern flank, it was weak. All due respect to our troops who are amazing and quite strong, but we simply didn’t have the kind of arsenal that Ukraine had in 2022 (their own production mostly) and even the fighting spirit that Ukraine had developed through years of fighting. Let’s say, if the Russians had started firing missiles at us instead of Ukraine, it would’ve been very tough.

    No it would not have been tough. The US/UK would have established air dominance if he tried that with Poland or the Baltics. It would have been similar to Iraq where tanks don't last long because of US air power.

    The US has an anti-missile defense system on both land and at sea.

    Ukraine started without such a system and the main Russian attack was on the ground. The Russian cruise missiles mostly hit civilian areas.

    Putin had to go after a non-NATO country. The NATO alliance is clearly enough of a deterrent. NATO was not weak but they were certainly slow to respond. It was simply assumed at the beginning that Kiev would fall and the war would become urban and partisan.

    And I wouldn’t say all the weapons are “leftover”, some of the air defense is the newest out there. I agree that the result is not bad overall (of course, what the troops are going through is quite horrific and the losses are very painful)

    The bulk is leftover. Tanks, artillery, fighting vehicles, and small arms.

    HIMARS/ATACMS/Javalins/INLAWs are indeed new. The modern anti-tank weapons definitely helped them push Russia out of Kiev. But they are running out of those weapons and are turning to drones and small arms with 90s weapons.


    1. The USSR was a continuation of the Russian empire and should have stayed in power
     
    A large percentage of the RusFed population believes this, because this is where they project their power and maybe even self-worth.

    This is very similar to what I concluded after watching interviews with average Russians.

    The USSR still is part of their identity. They also still draw confidence from defeating the Nazis in WW2. They aren't comfortable with simply being Russians in the modern world. They want to feel like they are part of some great power that challenges the West. This is why the Nazi excuse appeals to them. They want to re-live their glory days. It come from a nagging insecurity which has long plagued Russians.

    There is a documentary where these rural poor Russians take part in a "defeated the Nazis" reenactment. You can tell it means practically everything to them as if the war was a few years ago. We obviously have memorial day and other days of remembrance but this was clearly part of their identity and self-worth. Reminded me of Hunger Games where remembering the war is part of their culture and no one seems to question if it is healthy.

    He has become really fanatical in a way he was not before (even though he was always power hungry and never accepted the status quo after 1991), but his eyes are really crazy now. They simply saw a good moment and grabbed, because they could. You know, don’t want to sound ageist, but once you’re past 70-72, you change, your decline starts getting noticeable

    Early in the war I mentioned this is what a Khan did in SE Asia. He had this built up military and a lot of power. He ruled over a large territory and there was an accepted peace. However once he reached an older age he decided to launch a war of conquest simply because he had the means and was running out of time. He at least didn't make excuses and had the balls to say it was a war for territory. The war however ended up being bloody and pointless. But it really was Grandpa Khan going to war because he can.

    Maybe this ultimatum was just some kind of a formal statement, but I doubt it – it sounds like it was for real.

    It was real in that he really wanted his subjects to believe he tried a peaceful route.

    There was never an ultimatum to Ukraine over joining NATO. That is one of many reasons why his claim of trying to keep Ukraine out of NATO never made sense. He not only cut diplomatic ties with Ukraine but put a bounty on Zelensky. A real peacemaker.

    LOL. Yea, I’m going to slap this thing that belongs to me but which slipped away insolently (Ukraine is not a neighbor to them but a thing that belongs to them by right, as they believe)

    I can't believe how much the Russians fret over the Baltics. Russia is the world's largest country and on Russian TV these losers talk about the tiny Baltics with complete disdain. Like how dare they not want to be ruled by Russia. It's unreal. Who cares?

    The main goal is to turn Ukraine back from having become what they call “anti-Rossiya”. An ideological, military, philosophical opponent or competitor even.

    I think they planned on getting rid of the Ukrainian identity entirely. Ukrainians are more advanced and I think Putin wanted to absorb them and make them New Russians. That would also make a much larger market to compete with Britain and Germany. The Russians have insecurities over the Ukrainians. It's their middle class neighbor that doesn't have a lawn filled with cars. There were captured intercepts early in the war where Russian wives really were telling their husbands to grab a dishwasher or washing machine.

    Replies: @LatW

    No it would not have been tough. The US/UK would have established air dominance if he tried that with Poland or the Baltics. It would have been similar to Iraq where tanks don’t last long because of US air power.

    I trust that the UK would’ve acted, for sure. However, how many fighters did the US have stationed in Germany in January 2022?

    The US has an anti-missile defense system on both land and at sea.

    I think the question is about coverage in E.Europe. But I don’t know enough about this, I know there are European efforts underway to improve air defense.

    Ukraine started without such a system and the main Russian attack was on the ground. The Russian cruise missiles mostly hit civilian areas.

    A ground attack we could most likely handle, also, the preparation for it would be visible long ahead of time. That’s why air coverage should be a priority (I’m not sure it would’ve been effective enough in Jan 2022, although it may have been, we also had a ton of Javelins for heavy armor, etc).

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    Putin had to go after a non-NATO country. The NATO alliance is clearly enough of a deterrent.

    Oh, that goes without saying. I was just talking about the hypothetical scenarios on the ground.

    NATO was not weak but they were certainly slow to respond.

    I think we need to stop viewing NATO as one large, super strong behemoth, but really focus on the concrete capabilities and play out all the possible contingencies very thoroughly. This is what is being done now, actually. But these things change all the time. Recently the Russians have been messing with the GPS system in the region (even in parts of Scandinavia).

    The bulk is leftover.

    You’re right, you meant that these are weapons that would not be immediately needed for NATO ourselves. Leftover in that sense, I was thinking more that you meant they are older weapons, and, while some equipment was older, there are brand new weapons as well. The Storm Shadow missile is quite potent.

    The modern anti-tank weapons definitely helped them push Russia out of Kiev.

    Don’t know this for sure, but in the Battle for Hostomel they were using their own Ukrainian MANPADs (Igla). But they may have used Western ones as well, although I’m not sure if they had those in sufficient numbers, from what I understood, this was exactly the problem in the very beginning – they took the initial attack with their own weapons, and only then when the West saw that they are capable of this, then the British & the Poles, started sending Javelins & NLAW (and those played a role and were very helpful). Or am I mistaken and the Ukrainians already had a stack of Western anti-tank and anti-helicopter weapons? They should’ve. I’ve seen footage of a 20 year old soldier shooting down one of those helicopters with an Igla. It is epic. Some of these guys just have natural skills and are so good at hitting targets! 🙂

    They also still draw confidence from defeating the Nazis in WW2.

    This cult has been renewed, it was actually less pronounced in the Soviet days than now – they have renewed it and turned it into a real cult. Everything hinges on it.

    They aren’t comfortable with simply being Russians in the modern world.

    Some are, but many aren’t. However, in this case, I also need to admit that Russia’s neighbors didn’t do a good job being accepting and kind – we were very triggered by the negatives and the ugly rhetoric and did not see the good that was still there in some cases. The elites were always looking up only to the West (then again – the Russians themselves were that away too, sending their kids to the West, buying homes there, instead of developing at home, etc). We should’ve created our own amicable space.

    A narrative about the positive sides of Russia and our relationship was not created. Also, the things that are elevated and have status in today’s “modern” world, are not their forte or are very niche (such as space exploration), and if they happen to have them, then it’s not advertised. Although they did have their own pop music influence and such beyond their own borders. But it did not catch on to everyone.

    Either way, none of these things excuse an invasion – that pretty much wipes away all the good will anyway.

    They want to feel like they are part of some great power that challenges the West.

    Well, technically, they do have what it takes to be a large international actor – if you consider the resource side (which they have not even used to the fullest), but the thing with the population is that, yes, it is quite sizable, however, not big enough to challenge the US, China or even the EU (although the EU is a separate question with its own nuances). They have demographic problems like everyone else – how many healthy, educated Slavs under 40 in their population? Of course, they’re bolstered by Asians (that’s always been the case, even during the occupation of Latvia there were Asians there, abusing our population, that’s perennial for them, I guess), but still – the Slav is the backbone of everything. And even their Slavic population is mixed – Ukrainian, Polish, Finnic, Baltic, all Russified ones. So they have relied a lot on our populations through out the ages to bolster theirs, and now that’s ending. It may also be ending for us. If this really ends, then it’s a big deal historically because we had this “mutual feeding and living off of each other” for hundreds of years.

    This is why the Nazi excuse appeals to them.

    The “Nazi” is just a trigger for their tribal instinct – everyone who does not submit to their “brotherly” ethos and does not want to be “friendly” (e.g., submit to their narrative & often economic takeover) but who cultivates their own identity – is a “Nazi”. That is needed to motivate the soldiers to fight outside of their borders.

    They want to re-live their glory days. It come from a nagging insecurity which has long plagued Russians.

    Yes, because the bulk of them were only emancipated in the late 19th century (or even later). The Western populations – much earlier, plus some Western populations were always relatively free (such as some Scandinavians), White Americans, too, became free through the Revolutionary war (and people such as Washington were already rich and free) and they always had agency through the pioneering spirit. Also, for the Russian nation, they are not always fully autonomous – they always have minorities that they co-habit with and with whom they have to deal with / accommodate and that has an impact on their identity. They either have Russian chauvinism or “internationalist” tendencies, the real nation building should’ve been somewhere in the middle or separately as their own ethnic body.

    There is a documentary where these rural poor Russians take part in a “defeated the Nazis” reenactment. You can tell it means practically everything to them as if the war was a few years ago.

    There is a whole genre of Russian WW2 movies – it has always been there, but it has really flourished recently. It is very heavy propaganda. Even before the invasion there were light anti-Ukrainian tones. This is actually a very big deal. It is all part of the so called skrepi – the spiritual themes that tie the nation together. WW2 is a huge skrepa – bigger than ever.

    We obviously have memorial day and other days of remembrance but this was clearly part of their identity and self-worth.

    For Eastern European nations this is more important, because they have gone through a lot of wars and there are few other symbols of valiance and masculinity to praise or remember (this is their own fault – if they dug deep enough, they would find them). In the Baltics, we, too, have a whole “ancestral warrior” cult, but it is more connected to WWI. And not everyone participates in it (most people probably don’t or do so rarely). In Russia, they tried to venerate the Whites for a while, but they couldn’t help but switch back to the Soviets. So now it’s a mix of Soviet and Imperial symbols (the St George’s ribbon is from the Empire, and it’s actually an abuse of an important Tsarist symbol – every man now wears those colors and women make dresses out of it which is total BS and sacrilege – because during the Tsar’s time, only the best of the best were awarded it). But because the post-Soviet, post-religious population need these pseudo-religious symbols to tie the society together, that’s how it has turned out.

    Now we are in this pathetic state of fighting over who did what – whose victory was this or that, I’m guilty of this too, hehe. But it’s important to point these things out, so that the Russians do not appropriate all of our achievements, not because they would receive credit, but because they use it for propaganda and as an excuse for invasions.

    If the Ukes start opening this up and talking about it beyond just Ukraine, it could get funny.

    However once he reached an older age he decided to launch a war of conquest simply because he had the means and was running out of time. He at least didn’t make excuses and had the balls to say it was a war for territory. The war however ended up being bloody and pointless. But it really was Grandpa Khan going to war because he can.

    Well, there’s some of that here (Putin started comparing himself to Peter), however, they never fully accepted Ukraine’s independence, they view parts of Ukraine as constituent parts of Russia. So this is a rather long development.

    Btw, I’m not against strongmen per se, however, they have to be a bit younger and more vigorous (not that I want one of those next door). They can’t find one (because it’s been so long and the vertical really hangs on his persona). For example, if Putin goes, someone like Kadyrov will not automatically serve the new one. Btw, I heard there is some talk of putting one of his daughters in charge.

    It was real in that he really wanted his subjects to believe he tried a peaceful route.

    Hm, I thought it was directed at the outside world, not his subjects. This is what I’m trying to figure out. Why say those things? Right on the cusp of the invasion.

    He not only cut diplomatic ties with Ukraine but put a bounty on Zelensky. A real peacemaker.

    They went for a long time believing it is a “Nazi regime” and that the majority of the population is against it, all their propaganda shows months before the invasion (even years), all they did was talk about Ukraine all day in an aggressive tone and it was always about the “regime”. They made an incredible effort to talk themselves into believing that this is the reality.

    I can’t believe how much the Russians fret over the Baltics. Russia is the world’s largest country and on Russian TV these losers talk about the tiny Baltics with complete disdain. Like how dare they not want to be ruled by Russia. It’s unreal. Who cares?

    Well, I’ve thought that maybe some longer and more sensitive conversations would have helped, but I’m no longer sure. There should’ve been a much more aggressive information campaign or rather outreach into the Russian population to circumvent the rabid propaganda, but our governments don’t have the will or the resources for this (or they see it as futile). Any tiny bit of good will that is ever achieved immediately gets destroyed by the crazy yells of Solovyov-Shapiro.

    I think they planned on getting rid of the Ukrainian identity entirely.

    They were planning on getting rid of the active, cultivated Ukrainian identity – the part that is indigenous and that fuels the nation and has the potential to create a sovereign, political nation. They have murdered actual Ukrainian children’s books authors for that reason. The pro-Ukrainian Russophones are another demographic which is dangerous to them, probably more so than the “Banderites from Lviv” or the zapadentsi (Westerners). Because those ones can be really badass and they are physically close. I wonder if this extermination of the Eastern Ukrainians has anything to do with it. If so, then this follows a historic pattern of extermination of neighboring Slavic tribes and political entities by Moscow.

    It’s their middle class neighbor that doesn’t have a lawn filled with cars. There were captured intercepts early in the war where Russian wives really were telling their husbands to grab a dishwasher or washing machine.

    You know, in the beginning I was appalled and pissed off about this, but then I realized that these so called “deep people” simply need help. The RusFed improved the living standards in the recent years and they tried to spread the oil money around, however, not sufficiently – the differences in wealth are still way too high. Moscow is too much of a parasite. They should’ve brought dishwashers and porcelain toilets to all those distant areas, and taken care of their people. However, historically, these people have been expendable for the rulers.

    Also, improving their living standards may have helped a little, but it may not have changed their morality because that lies in the person’s soul – those muzhiks may still agree to go and murder people in another country if they were promised a lot of money, maybe even egged on by their wives. Btw, some of the wives of the soldiers are wailing, they are in hell now.

  477. @Beckow
    @LatW

    Denmark in Germany? Not bad. Otherwise it looks like the Intermarium of the Polish fantasies. I suspect not too many Poles-Ukies-Balts-Czechs-Jews-Belorussians were expected to survive - how many field workers and R&R women do you thing the Germans would need? And for the Danes maybe just a large breeding farm...

    Why has this fantasy resurfaced and is so popular among the victims of the last one in WW2? We basically have a new Anglo-Germanic push to do the same, this time with more feeling and consideration for how to use the women. But still no long-term use for the men of the region, they are redundant and so are being slaughtered. The R&R has been globalized...why do you people cheer it on?

    I am also bothered by the dude in glasses being much older than the youthful Frau - the loser-male fantasy world is always the same...:) Well, enjoy - Germans this time are a shadow of their former self.

    Replies: @LatW

    I suspect not too many Poles-Ukies-Balts-Czechs-Jews-Belorussians were expected to survive

    I can’t speak for all those nationalities, but we, the Balts, survived for 700 years with Germans. 🙂 I think the key is to be useful to each other. 🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Back then, you guys were mostly the rural peasants while the Germans were the townspeople as well as the nobility. Had Germany won WWI, you guys could have eventually been incorporated into the German Reich, in which case a lot of Balts might have moved westwards to core Germany in a manner similar to the Ostflucht:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostflucht


    The United States, which had been the major destination of emigrants from the German East, lost much of its attraction when it stopped granting free land to settlers in 1893.[1] At the same time, the Ruhr area prospered, leading to high demand for labor, especially in coal mining and heavy industries. This led to an East-to-West migration within the Kingdom of Prussia. Through 1907, 2,300,000 people emigrated from Prussia's eastern provinces (Pomerania, West Prussia, East Prussia, Posen, and Silesia), while only 358,000 migrated into these provinces.[2] Among the emigrants were 600,000 Poles.[3] This loss of workforce hit farms, which made up for this by calling in seasonal workers from further east. Berlin and Brandenburg in the same time gained 1,200,000 inhabitants, while the Ruhr area and surrounding provinces (Westphalia and Palatinate) gained 640,000 people.[2]

    At the same time, increased immigration into the eastern German regions by Poles from western Russia caused imbalances and upheavals there, especially in Upper Silesia.[citation needed]
     
    I also flirted with the idea of settling Volga Germans in the Baltics en masse after a German WWI victory if anti-German sentiment in rump Russia will become too strong. What do you think?

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Beckow
    @LatW

    What is it that you Balts do for the Germans? I have heard things, but this is a family forum...

    Regarding survival, the Latvia is down 30% in one generation. At this rate who knows? Under the evil commies the population grew by 25%. Maybe you don't quite get what it means to have a country and a nation...

    But the Ukies are right there with you: Nazis cut Ukraine's population by a third, their current Western allies seem to be outdoing even that - from 51 million in 1991 to around 25-30 million now...

  478. @A123
    The Senate deal to increase migration stands exposed: (1)

    Scandalous Senate 'Deal' Allows 1.5 Million Illegals Per Year, Slides Up To $2.3B To NGOs Trafficking Them, And Gives $60B To Ukraine

     

    Not only does this bill codify 1.5 million illegal border crossings into law, but the "border emergency" that automatically gets implemented at 5,000 crossings per day in a week can be overturned by Joe Biden.
    ...
    As noted above, the bill also carves out $2.33 billion for "Refugee and Entrant Assistance," which provides that "Amounts made available under this heading in this Act may be used for grants or contracts with qualified organizations, including nonprofit entities, to provide culturally and linguistically appropriate services."
     
    Everybody paying attention anticipated that the Senate bill was a #NeverTrump boondoggle. However, this is actually *worse* than I expected from RINO McConnell.

    The House needs to substitute 100% of the text for H.R. 2 and return this to the Senate.

    PEACE 😇
    __________


    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/senate-deal-allows-15-million-illegals-year-slides-23b-ngos-trafficking-them-and-gives

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    You know it’s a joke of a “compromise” when Glenn Beck and even pro-Ukraine, pro-illegals amnesty Marco Rubio oppose it vehemently. It actually contains 2 billion for the NGOs trying to bring the whole 3rd World to the US lol.

    As usual with the RINOs, they’ve volunteered to play for the opposing team. On the probably most damaging issue for Biden with the electorate Lankford et al have given the Dems the excuse that they tried to “fix the border” but the Republicans refused. If they have any brains they’ll be using that line from here to November and the media will amplify it to make the Republicans look responsible for the border disaster. Surely, enough normies will buy that crap when the other day even AP and others were making the same argument that Trump is responsible for the border catastrophe now.

    On top of that, these idiots have taken the focus away from the standoff in Texas against the Feds. Nobody’s now talking about the red states fighting the invasion by their own means and the Feds effectively helping the invaders anymore. How convenient for Biden.

    Voting for a RINO is worse than abstaining. Perhaps it’s even worse than voting for a moderate Dem that you may like for some particular issue of your concern. At least you know what you’re voting and who he is going to work for. And yet some here try to convince us to vote for Haley lol.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    On the probably most damaging issue for Biden with the electorate Lankford et al have given the Dems the excuse that they tried to “fix the border” but the Republicans refused. If they have any brains they’ll be using that line from here to November and the media will amplify it to make the Republicans look responsible for the border disaster.

    The Republicans negotiated the current bill and now they are walking away from it.

    The conservative Wall St Journal is furious with them.

    Republicans in both houses are idiots but the House MAGA Republicans are truly a league of their own. They want an up and down vote on Israel but not the border. Which means that giving Israel 14 billion dollars is the most important priority for them.

    Surely, enough normies will buy that crap when the other day even AP and others were making the same argument that Trump is responsible for the border catastrophe now.

    The average person is independent and polls show that independents hate both Biden and Trump.

    So as a foreign person you are clearly out of touch with normal Americans.

    Normies want new candidates and not a president who gets lost in buildings or a con artist facing over 30 felonies.

    And yet some here try to convince us to vote for Haley lol.

    And yet some of you think Trump could lose in the election just because of some polls. Clearly you have been falling for MSM propaganda.

    - Trump fans in 2020

    In fact exit polls showed that Trump lost White independents which was a trend that started with COVID.

    Ironically both Trump and Biden can only win if the other runs. Polls show that they both need independents to be forced into a Turd Sandwich / Giant Douche election.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au8oNaVHUHw

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    , @A123
    @Mikel


    As usual with the RINOs, they’ve volunteered to play for the opposing team. On the probably most damaging issue for Biden with the electorate Lankford et al have given the Dems the excuse that they tried to “fix the border” but the Republicans refused.
     
    Not only is it cover. It also contains sabotage that makes it damaging. (1)

    The new Senate border bill is out () and we are evaluating it, but here are TEN things you should know to start with (there are more).

    In sum, it appears to be WORSE THAN the current law.
    ...
    7. But if that wasn't bad enough, there is a provision that allows the Biden team to essentially opt anyone out from the new supposedly expedited proceedings.

    8. And if that weren't bad enough, it allows Biden to SUSPEND the new authority if he wants to, rendering it meaningless:

    9. Oh, and the authority is limited in time duration, going down each subsequent year, making it even more worthless:
     

    #9 is clearly a RINO attempt to undermine Trump.
    ___

    MAGA needs to strike back by publicizing the fact that the House ALREADY had a straight up-or-down vote on H.R. 2, back in May (2)


    The House passed a comprehensive border package Thursday, the same day the Biden administration strips border officials of one of the last tools to stem waves of illegal migration.

    The vote for H.R. 2, the Secure the Border Act of 2023, passed 219 to 213 with no Democrat support. Two Republicans, Reps. Thomas Massie (R-KY) and John Duarte (R-CA), defected.
     

    RINO's calling for a straight up-or-down vote miss they fact that it already happened. Isn't Massie a Haley supporter?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1754315351855100084.html?utm_campaign=topunroll

    (2) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/05/11/house-passes-sweeping-border-bill-to-stop-invasion/

    Replies: @Beckow

  479. Weapons museum or video from Russians at the front?

  480. @Mikel
    @A123

    You know it's a joke of a "compromise" when Glenn Beck and even pro-Ukraine, pro-illegals amnesty Marco Rubio oppose it vehemently. It actually contains 2 billion for the NGOs trying to bring the whole 3rd World to the US lol.

    As usual with the RINOs, they've volunteered to play for the opposing team. On the probably most damaging issue for Biden with the electorate Lankford et al have given the Dems the excuse that they tried to "fix the border" but the Republicans refused. If they have any brains they'll be using that line from here to November and the media will amplify it to make the Republicans look responsible for the border disaster. Surely, enough normies will buy that crap when the other day even AP and others were making the same argument that Trump is responsible for the border catastrophe now.

    On top of that, these idiots have taken the focus away from the standoff in Texas against the Feds. Nobody's now talking about the red states fighting the invasion by their own means and the Feds effectively helping the invaders anymore. How convenient for Biden.

    Voting for a RINO is worse than abstaining. Perhaps it's even worse than voting for a moderate Dem that you may like for some particular issue of your concern. At least you know what you're voting and who he is going to work for. And yet some here try to convince us to vote for Haley lol.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @A123

    On the probably most damaging issue for Biden with the electorate Lankford et al have given the Dems the excuse that they tried to “fix the border” but the Republicans refused. If they have any brains they’ll be using that line from here to November and the media will amplify it to make the Republicans look responsible for the border disaster.

    The Republicans negotiated the current bill and now they are walking away from it.

    The conservative Wall St Journal is furious with them.

    Republicans in both houses are idiots but the House MAGA Republicans are truly a league of their own. They want an up and down vote on Israel but not the border. Which means that giving Israel 14 billion dollars is the most important priority for them.

    Surely, enough normies will buy that crap when the other day even AP and others were making the same argument that Trump is responsible for the border catastrophe now.

    The average person is independent and polls show that independents hate both Biden and Trump.

    So as a foreign person you are clearly out of touch with normal Americans.

    Normies want new candidates and not a president who gets lost in buildings or a con artist facing over 30 felonies.

    And yet some here try to convince us to vote for Haley lol.

    And yet some of you think Trump could lose in the election just because of some polls. Clearly you have been falling for MSM propaganda.

    – Trump fans in 2020

    In fact exit polls showed that Trump lost White independents which was a trend that started with COVID.

    Ironically both Trump and Biden can only win if the other runs. Polls show that they both need independents to be forced into a Turd Sandwich / Giant Douche election.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    In fact exit polls showed that Trump lost White independents which was a trend that started with COVID.

     

    Interesting that Trump gained among minorities but lost among whites in 2020, thus costing him the 2020 election. This is after he ran a semi-white nationalist campaign in 2016 but toned it down in 2020, giving out Platinum Plans to every racial group other than White Americans.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    And yet some of you think Trump could lose in the election just because of some polls. Clearly you have been falling for MSM propaganda.

    – Trump fans in 2020
     
    Did you have a Biden moment when you typed all that? It doesn't follow from anything I said and is incoherent as hell.

    Whatever you were trying to say don't bother explaining anyway. Someone who constantly forgets who he is responding to and what his interlocutor's positions are doesn't have anything of value to provide. Go back to watching military porn.

    Replies: @Yevardian

  481. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ

    Here is another map of what they seem to have had in mind "The Greater Germany in the future" - it looks like they had planned to build a wall there separating them from most of Russia, hm, pretty straightforward, I guess 😊 it kind of cracks me up how they have placed those soldiers facing the East.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/P_20221107_205156_vHDR_Auto_%281%29.jpg

    Thank you for that WWI era fragment, very amusing to read that. How come you found this book? It's funny how these geopolitical musings seem so similar to the ones today.

    Since you understand Russian, here is the video with Mark Solonin (btw, he's Jewish). He mentions the two Generalplan Ost drafts (200 pages long), but he says they were never officially approved.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs03XfLNi_U&t=386s

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    Here is another map of what they seem to have had in mind “The Greater Germany in the future” – it looks like they had planned to build a wall there separating them from most of Russia, hm, pretty straightforward, I guess 😊 it kind of cracks me up how they have placed those soldiers facing the East.

    I think that this map might simply symbolize the WWII Eastern Front front lines that existed back then, in late 1942, before Germany’s defeat at Stalingrad. It doesn’t necessarily mean that the Germans actually wanted to stop there:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-A_line

    Thank you for that WWI era fragment, very amusing to read that. How come you found this book? It’s funny how these geopolitical musings seem so similar to the ones today.

    I found this book by constantly searching for WWI-era literature. For instance, here is another very interesting about, this one being about the various territorial disputes of World War I, the history behind them, and various possible solutions for each one of them:

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t7vm4tb51&seq=10

    (One of the authors of this book, Lothrop Stoddard, was a racist but nevertheless often wrote very interesting and insightful things about geopolitics. Even a broken clock can be right twice a day.)

    Since you understand Russian, here is the video with Mark Solonin (btw, he’s Jewish). He mentions the two Generalplan Ost drafts (200 pages long), but he says they were never officially approved.

    Thanks! I might take a look at it later!

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    I found this book by constantly searching for WWI-era literature.
     
    Where do you look for that? Online or do you visit the library in Cali?

    Lothrop Stoddard
     

    Thanks for pointing him out, didn't know him (don't know much about American ones overall). He seems to have some old elite East Coast background.

    was a racist but nevertheless often wrote very interesting and insightful things about geopolitics. Even a broken clock can be right twice a day.
     
    Actually, some "racists" might be better at geopolitics than most people because they don't have pink glasses on and are able to be more discerning. Ofc, I don't have any empirical data to back this up (other than some anecdotal evidence, lol). Some so called "racists" can be intellectually challenged, but some are above average intellectually and then those ones are really good. I hope you're not out there trying to hunt them down. :)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  482. @LatW
    @Beckow


    I suspect not too many Poles-Ukies-Balts-Czechs-Jews-Belorussians were expected to survive
     
    I can't speak for all those nationalities, but we, the Balts, survived for 700 years with Germans. :) I think the key is to be useful to each other. :)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    Back then, you guys were mostly the rural peasants while the Germans were the townspeople as well as the nobility. Had Germany won WWI, you guys could have eventually been incorporated into the German Reich, in which case a lot of Balts might have moved westwards to core Germany in a manner similar to the Ostflucht:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostflucht

    The United States, which had been the major destination of emigrants from the German East, lost much of its attraction when it stopped granting free land to settlers in 1893.[1] At the same time, the Ruhr area prospered, leading to high demand for labor, especially in coal mining and heavy industries. This led to an East-to-West migration within the Kingdom of Prussia. Through 1907, 2,300,000 people emigrated from Prussia’s eastern provinces (Pomerania, West Prussia, East Prussia, Posen, and Silesia), while only 358,000 migrated into these provinces.[2] Among the emigrants were 600,000 Poles.[3] This loss of workforce hit farms, which made up for this by calling in seasonal workers from further east. Berlin and Brandenburg in the same time gained 1,200,000 inhabitants, while the Ruhr area and surrounding provinces (Westphalia and Palatinate) gained 640,000 people.[2]

    At the same time, increased immigration into the eastern German regions by Poles from western Russia caused imbalances and upheavals there, especially in Upper Silesia.[citation needed]

    I also flirted with the idea of settling Volga Germans in the Baltics en masse after a German WWI victory if anti-German sentiment in rump Russia will become too strong. What do you think?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Back then, you guys were mostly the rural peasants while the Germans were the townspeople as well as the nobility.
     
    Well, first of all, the Baltic Germans are a kind of a composite nationality, if one may say so, or rather a cultural group, because over the years they assimilated many other Western and Northern European nationalities as well as the locals. So it is above all a culture than a race or an ethnicity. Second, there were also Germans who cultivated their own land. Not every German was a baron as those were rare.

    Did you know that they were not sent to Germany right away but first to Prussia? Wartheland.

    I also flirted with the idea of settling Volga Germans in the Baltics en masse after a German WWI victory if anti-German sentiment in rump Russia will become too strong. What do you think?
     
    Well, how many would that be? Kurland was never densely populated (thanks to everything we've been through over the ages). However, I am very eco conscious so I'd prefer those areas to be conserved, but even in that case, there is more than enough space to be cultivated sustainably. But without joking - of course, I wouldn't be happy with it, my preference would've been to return ALL of the Kurland refugees from Russia, but also to settle more Germans there. I really love the Curonian spit and those settlements there (I love the Balto-Germanic fusion there). This is in hindsight, looking at it from 2024. Obviously, at that time it would not have been politically and military feasible.

    You "flirt" about a lot of Eastern Euro population re-settlements, do you want to flirt about Jews, too? :) Just kidding.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  483. @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    On the probably most damaging issue for Biden with the electorate Lankford et al have given the Dems the excuse that they tried to “fix the border” but the Republicans refused. If they have any brains they’ll be using that line from here to November and the media will amplify it to make the Republicans look responsible for the border disaster.

    The Republicans negotiated the current bill and now they are walking away from it.

    The conservative Wall St Journal is furious with them.

    Republicans in both houses are idiots but the House MAGA Republicans are truly a league of their own. They want an up and down vote on Israel but not the border. Which means that giving Israel 14 billion dollars is the most important priority for them.

    Surely, enough normies will buy that crap when the other day even AP and others were making the same argument that Trump is responsible for the border catastrophe now.

    The average person is independent and polls show that independents hate both Biden and Trump.

    So as a foreign person you are clearly out of touch with normal Americans.

    Normies want new candidates and not a president who gets lost in buildings or a con artist facing over 30 felonies.

    And yet some here try to convince us to vote for Haley lol.

    And yet some of you think Trump could lose in the election just because of some polls. Clearly you have been falling for MSM propaganda.

    - Trump fans in 2020

    In fact exit polls showed that Trump lost White independents which was a trend that started with COVID.

    Ironically both Trump and Biden can only win if the other runs. Polls show that they both need independents to be forced into a Turd Sandwich / Giant Douche election.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au8oNaVHUHw

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    In fact exit polls showed that Trump lost White independents which was a trend that started with COVID.

    Interesting that Trump gained among minorities but lost among whites in 2020, thus costing him the 2020 election. This is after he ran a semi-white nationalist campaign in 2016 but toned it down in 2020, giving out Platinum Plans to every racial group other than White Americans.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Interesting that Trump gained among minorities but lost among whites in 2020, thus costing him the 2020 election. This is after he ran a semi-white nationalist campaign in 2016 but toned it down in 2020, giving out Platinum Plans to every racial group other than White Americans.

    Weirdly he has gained recently with Black/Hispanic men while losing White women.

    White female independents could end up deciding the election if Trump is the nominee.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  484. @Mikel
    @A123

    You know it's a joke of a "compromise" when Glenn Beck and even pro-Ukraine, pro-illegals amnesty Marco Rubio oppose it vehemently. It actually contains 2 billion for the NGOs trying to bring the whole 3rd World to the US lol.

    As usual with the RINOs, they've volunteered to play for the opposing team. On the probably most damaging issue for Biden with the electorate Lankford et al have given the Dems the excuse that they tried to "fix the border" but the Republicans refused. If they have any brains they'll be using that line from here to November and the media will amplify it to make the Republicans look responsible for the border disaster. Surely, enough normies will buy that crap when the other day even AP and others were making the same argument that Trump is responsible for the border catastrophe now.

    On top of that, these idiots have taken the focus away from the standoff in Texas against the Feds. Nobody's now talking about the red states fighting the invasion by their own means and the Feds effectively helping the invaders anymore. How convenient for Biden.

    Voting for a RINO is worse than abstaining. Perhaps it's even worse than voting for a moderate Dem that you may like for some particular issue of your concern. At least you know what you're voting and who he is going to work for. And yet some here try to convince us to vote for Haley lol.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @A123

    As usual with the RINOs, they’ve volunteered to play for the opposing team. On the probably most damaging issue for Biden with the electorate Lankford et al have given the Dems the excuse that they tried to “fix the border” but the Republicans refused.

    Not only is it cover. It also contains sabotage that makes it damaging. (1)

    The new Senate border bill is out () and we are evaluating it, but here are TEN things you should know to start with (there are more).

    In sum, it appears to be WORSE THAN the current law.

    7. But if that wasn’t bad enough, there is a provision that allows the Biden team to essentially opt anyone out from the new supposedly expedited proceedings.

    8. And if that weren’t bad enough, it allows Biden to SUSPEND the new authority if he wants to, rendering it meaningless:

    9. Oh, and the authority is limited in time duration, going down each subsequent year, making it even more worthless:

    #9 is clearly a RINO attempt to undermine Trump.
    ___

    MAGA needs to strike back by publicizing the fact that the House ALREADY had a straight up-or-down vote on H.R. 2, back in May (2)

    The House passed a comprehensive border package Thursday, the same day the Biden administration strips border officials of one of the last tools to stem waves of illegal migration.

    The vote for H.R. 2, the Secure the Border Act of 2023, passed 219 to 213 with no Democrat support. Two Republicans, Reps. Thomas Massie (R-KY) and John Duarte (R-CA), defected.

    RINO’s calling for a straight up-or-down vote miss they fact that it already happened. Isn’t Massie a Haley supporter?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1754315351855100084.html?utm_campaign=topunroll

    (2) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/05/11/house-passes-sweeping-border-bill-to-stop-invasion/

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @A123

    Even when pushed into a corner and desperately needing the money for Ukraine, the libs and RINO's are not willing to give an inch. That says it all - the open border is the sine qua none of their world view and plans...

    You are an optimist, but in general the RINO's always betray, they just need a cover. The insane details are revealing. It reminds me of a supposed saying by Hitler: I break my promises and carry out my threats...

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikel

  485. @LatW
    @Beckow


    I suspect not too many Poles-Ukies-Balts-Czechs-Jews-Belorussians were expected to survive
     
    I can't speak for all those nationalities, but we, the Balts, survived for 700 years with Germans. :) I think the key is to be useful to each other. :)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    What is it that you Balts do for the Germans? I have heard things, but this is a family forum…

    Regarding survival, the Latvia is down 30% in one generation. At this rate who knows? Under the evil commies the population grew by 25%. Maybe you don’t quite get what it means to have a country and a nation…

    But the Ukies are right there with you: Nazis cut Ukraine’s population by a third, their current Western allies seem to be outdoing even that – from 51 million in 1991 to around 25-30 million now…

  486. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    Here is another map of what they seem to have had in mind “The Greater Germany in the future” – it looks like they had planned to build a wall there separating them from most of Russia, hm, pretty straightforward, I guess 😊 it kind of cracks me up how they have placed those soldiers facing the East.
     
    I think that this map might simply symbolize the WWII Eastern Front front lines that existed back then, in late 1942, before Germany's defeat at Stalingrad. It doesn't necessarily mean that the Germans actually wanted to stop there:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-A_line


    Thank you for that WWI era fragment, very amusing to read that. How come you found this book? It’s funny how these geopolitical musings seem so similar to the ones today.
     
    I found this book by constantly searching for WWI-era literature. For instance, here is another very interesting about, this one being about the various territorial disputes of World War I, the history behind them, and various possible solutions for each one of them:

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo1.ark:/13960/t7vm4tb51&seq=10

    (One of the authors of this book, Lothrop Stoddard, was a racist but nevertheless often wrote very interesting and insightful things about geopolitics. Even a broken clock can be right twice a day.)


    Since you understand Russian, here is the video with Mark Solonin (btw, he’s Jewish). He mentions the two Generalplan Ost drafts (200 pages long), but he says they were never officially approved.
     
    Thanks! I might take a look at it later!

    Replies: @LatW

    I found this book by constantly searching for WWI-era literature.

    Where do you look for that? Online or do you visit the library in Cali?

    Lothrop Stoddard

    Thanks for pointing him out, didn’t know him (don’t know much about American ones overall). He seems to have some old elite East Coast background.

    was a racist but nevertheless often wrote very interesting and insightful things about geopolitics. Even a broken clock can be right twice a day.

    Actually, some “racists” might be better at geopolitics than most people because they don’t have pink glasses on and are able to be more discerning. Ofc, I don’t have any empirical data to back this up (other than some anecdotal evidence, lol). Some so called “racists” can be intellectually challenged, but some are above average intellectually and then those ones are really good. I hope you’re not out there trying to hunt them down. 🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    Where do you look for that? Online or do you visit the library in Cali?

     

    Generally online. Hathi Trust, the Internet Archive, Google Books, et cetera are all great places to find old books about World War I (and about a lot of other stuff as well).

    Thanks for pointing him out, didn’t know him (don’t know much about American ones overall). He seems to have some old elite East Coast background.

     

    He supported Jim Crow in the Southern US, which was a state-mandated system of racial segregation. Extremely repulsive! But unfortunately he wasn't the only intellectual in the early 20th century US who actually had such views.

    Actually, some “racists” might be better at geopolitics than most people because they don’t have pink glasses on and are able to be more discerning. Ofc, I don’t have any empirical data to back this up (other than some anecdotal evidence, lol). Some so called “racists” can be intellectually challenged, but some are above average intellectually and then those ones are really good. I hope you’re not out there trying to hunt them down. 🙂

     

    Yes, people who don't have politically correct views could sometimes have a more realistic perception of things than those people who wear politically correct glasses. This can be true for both domestic and foreign policy. Of course, those who don't have politically correct views could sometimes have their own biases as well. For instance, the far-right in the West could have an excessively rosy view of Vladimir Putin's Russia.

    I'm actively seeking out good WWI books, especially contemporary ones, regardless of whether or not they were written by people who would be considered racists--or, for that matter, cranks--today. I just want the books themselves to be good and accurate.

    Did you know that in preparation for the eventual post-WWI peace settlement, Britain's Foreign Office's Historical Section created books for every territory that could potentially become a point of dispute or contention in the post-WWI peace settlement?

    https://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Great%20Britain%2E%20Foreign%20Office%2E%20Historical%20Section

    Here is the specific book that they made for your own country plus Estonia:

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101073335539&seq=7

    Also, did you know that the United States government commissioned a group of academics/experts to provide official US recommendations for the post-WWI peace settlement?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inquiry

    This is the start of their recommendations:

    https://archive.org/details/MyDiaryAtConferenceOfParis-Vol4/page/n223/mode/2up

    They continue onwards for several dozen pages and cover all of the territories that were disputed in WWI.

    As a side note, I deeply, deeply regret that someone didn't kill Lenin back in Switzerland sometime before 1917 (similar to how, say, Jean Jaures was killed back in 1914, except he, unlike Lenin, didn't actually deserve to be killed). Lenin's and the Bolsheviks' rise to power in Russia was the worst possible thing to happen during the 20th century, much worse than even WWI itself. It condemned hundreds of millions of people in Greater Russia to decades of unspeakable misery and suffering and destroyed Russia's 20th century demographic and economic potential.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  487. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...What next: Hasek, Dvorak were Austrians?
     
    Hasek was a Czech Red guard who fought on the Bolshie side. He drunk a lot and was funny. There is more to Czechs than your infantile projections...learn something.

    "The Western supplies to Russia started in substantial quantities in late 1943"

    No, they started in substantial quantities in the earlier part of that year, by summer
     

    Yes, that's what I said: Germany was defeated by mid-1943 by Russians and the Anglo material help started in summer 1943, there was little use for it until late 1943 - do you understand basic logistics and how it works? The material helped but by then the Nazis were defeated - it follows that Russians won the war before the Anglos joined in. Even when you lie you remain incoherent.

    When you start using everything about USSR consistently and not always blame all the bad stuff on "Russians", we will switch back to calling it the WW2 USSR victory. Since you refuse to do that and have allied with the Banderites and Waffen SS killers you don't get to include yourself on the winning side. It is too bad for a lot of decent Ukies who died fighting Nazism.

    How about that "paused" offensive? What a cluster-f..k for the Ukies, how is this a good thing? How can a large, prosperous nation with a golden geography screw us so badly...

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

    Hasek was a Czech Red guard who fought on the Bolshie side. He drunk a lot and was funny

    But according to the same logic that made Ukrainian Soviets “Russian” he was an Austrian.

    No, they started in substantial quantities in the earlier part of that year, by summer

    Yes, that’s what I said: Germany was defeated by mid-1943

    Germany was driven from Moscow and other regions but still controlled most of Ukraine (including the USSR’s third largest city) in mid-1943. So by your logic Germany was still “winning”, like Russia is currently.

    As I said, the Soviets were able to stop the Germans without Lend Lease but they needed it to advance.

    When you start using everything about USSR consistently and not always blame all the bad stuff on “Russians

    I use words accurately and do not lie. You think that lying is acceptable under certain conditions. It is false to describe an army with millions of Ukrainians, Central Asians etc. whose state was explicitly called a union of various republics (including the Ukrainian one) as “Russian.” The grandparents of Ukrainians fighting their eastern semi-fascist neighbor were not Russians.

    Since you refuse to do that and have allied with the Banderites and Waffen SS killers you don’t get to include yourself on the winning side

    Accurate and truthful descriptions do not depend on whose side someone’s grandchildren are. And of course, Stalin was Hitler’s ally no less than Bandera was.

    How about that “paused” offensive

    How about it? The Russians may take a town or three as they suffer far more casualties in their failed winter offensive than the Ukrainians did last summer. Ukrainians may or may not unpause their last one. Though Americans are not cooperating, this reduces the chances.

  488. @A123
    @Mikel


    As usual with the RINOs, they’ve volunteered to play for the opposing team. On the probably most damaging issue for Biden with the electorate Lankford et al have given the Dems the excuse that they tried to “fix the border” but the Republicans refused.
     
    Not only is it cover. It also contains sabotage that makes it damaging. (1)

    The new Senate border bill is out () and we are evaluating it, but here are TEN things you should know to start with (there are more).

    In sum, it appears to be WORSE THAN the current law.
    ...
    7. But if that wasn't bad enough, there is a provision that allows the Biden team to essentially opt anyone out from the new supposedly expedited proceedings.

    8. And if that weren't bad enough, it allows Biden to SUSPEND the new authority if he wants to, rendering it meaningless:

    9. Oh, and the authority is limited in time duration, going down each subsequent year, making it even more worthless:
     

    #9 is clearly a RINO attempt to undermine Trump.
    ___

    MAGA needs to strike back by publicizing the fact that the House ALREADY had a straight up-or-down vote on H.R. 2, back in May (2)


    The House passed a comprehensive border package Thursday, the same day the Biden administration strips border officials of one of the last tools to stem waves of illegal migration.

    The vote for H.R. 2, the Secure the Border Act of 2023, passed 219 to 213 with no Democrat support. Two Republicans, Reps. Thomas Massie (R-KY) and John Duarte (R-CA), defected.
     

    RINO's calling for a straight up-or-down vote miss they fact that it already happened. Isn't Massie a Haley supporter?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1754315351855100084.html?utm_campaign=topunroll

    (2) https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/05/11/house-passes-sweeping-border-bill-to-stop-invasion/

    Replies: @Beckow

    Even when pushed into a corner and desperately needing the money for Ukraine, the libs and RINO’s are not willing to give an inch. That says it all – the open border is the sine qua none of their world view and plans…

    You are an optimist, but in general the RINO’s always betray, they just need a cover. The insane details are revealing. It reminds me of a supposed saying by Hitler: I break my promises and carry out my threats…

    • Thanks: A123
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Even when pushed into a corner and desperately needing the money for Ukraine, the libs and RINO’s are not willing to give an inch. That says it all – the open border is the sine qua none of their world view and plans…

    Why don't the Republicans take the current border deal that they negotiated and then further lock it down if Trump wins?

    You do acknowledge that House Republicans want to fund Israel more than anything? It's the only current issue where they want a simple up and down vote.

    Nothing is stopping them from a straight up and down vote on border funding.

    However they instead want to send $14 billion to Israel even though it wasn't requested. Israel is doing just fine with their current military.

    It's an amusing taboo subject at Unz. Striker however broke it somewhat by bringing up Evangelicals and their unyielding support of Israel.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Mikel
    @Beckow


    Even when pushed into a corner and desperately needing the money for Ukraine, the libs and RINO’s are not willing to give an inch.
     
    Keeping the flow of migrants from the 3rd World is clearly more important to these people than Ukraine. Don't ask me why, I don't totally get it, but it is what it is.

    In general, people here in the US don't care about Ukraine anymore. It's not even in the news. I don't think this is healthy. I know it's very far away but this is a bit similar to people not caring about the Cuban missiles crisis while the issue was still unsolved. Even the lawmakers don't care much. Both the Dems and a majority of Republicans in both houses would like to continue funding Ukraine but the former find open borders more important and the latter are afraid of falling out of line with the spirit of the moment. Gaetz's move last fall proved pivotal.

    I'm not sure how good this all is from a security perspective though. Contrary to what I presume you would like, I don't find the idea of the Russians advancing again very appealing. Apart from the assured carnage if they try to occupy big cities, I think that a victorious Russia could actually become a real threat, after all the humiliations they've gone through with much smaller Ukraine making them retreat on multiple fronts and Western weapons proving their superiority. But perhaps more importantly, Western weapons have been used to kill Russian civilians and children. People don't forget these things. This is something that will stay in many Russians' minds after Putin's gone. It's all just been a very stupid self-fulfilling prophecy but the threat is there now.

    Replies: @Beckow

  489. @LondonBob
    Avdeevka is progressing quicker than I thought, that tunnel move was pure genius.

    Replies: @AP

    Didn’t you think it and the rest of Ukraine would be lost in summer 2023?

    Ukrainians held onto Avdiivka as long as the casualty ratio was heavily in their favor. That was its only purpose. If the Russians break into enough of the city and it becomes house-to-house fighting rather than leisurely wiping out large numbers of Russians as they cross fields in no-man’s land the Ukrainians ought to withdraw. This process can then be repeated for half a year somewhere else.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  490. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    Back then, you guys were mostly the rural peasants while the Germans were the townspeople as well as the nobility. Had Germany won WWI, you guys could have eventually been incorporated into the German Reich, in which case a lot of Balts might have moved westwards to core Germany in a manner similar to the Ostflucht:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostflucht


    The United States, which had been the major destination of emigrants from the German East, lost much of its attraction when it stopped granting free land to settlers in 1893.[1] At the same time, the Ruhr area prospered, leading to high demand for labor, especially in coal mining and heavy industries. This led to an East-to-West migration within the Kingdom of Prussia. Through 1907, 2,300,000 people emigrated from Prussia's eastern provinces (Pomerania, West Prussia, East Prussia, Posen, and Silesia), while only 358,000 migrated into these provinces.[2] Among the emigrants were 600,000 Poles.[3] This loss of workforce hit farms, which made up for this by calling in seasonal workers from further east. Berlin and Brandenburg in the same time gained 1,200,000 inhabitants, while the Ruhr area and surrounding provinces (Westphalia and Palatinate) gained 640,000 people.[2]

    At the same time, increased immigration into the eastern German regions by Poles from western Russia caused imbalances and upheavals there, especially in Upper Silesia.[citation needed]
     
    I also flirted with the idea of settling Volga Germans in the Baltics en masse after a German WWI victory if anti-German sentiment in rump Russia will become too strong. What do you think?

    Replies: @LatW

    Back then, you guys were mostly the rural peasants while the Germans were the townspeople as well as the nobility.

    Well, first of all, the Baltic Germans are a kind of a composite nationality, if one may say so, or rather a cultural group, because over the years they assimilated many other Western and Northern European nationalities as well as the locals. So it is above all a culture than a race or an ethnicity. Second, there were also Germans who cultivated their own land. Not every German was a baron as those were rare.

    Did you know that they were not sent to Germany right away but first to Prussia? Wartheland.

    I also flirted with the idea of settling Volga Germans in the Baltics en masse after a German WWI victory if anti-German sentiment in rump Russia will become too strong. What do you think?

    Well, how many would that be? Kurland was never densely populated (thanks to everything we’ve been through over the ages). However, I am very eco conscious so I’d prefer those areas to be conserved, but even in that case, there is more than enough space to be cultivated sustainably. But without joking – of course, I wouldn’t be happy with it, my preference would’ve been to return ALL of the Kurland refugees from Russia, but also to settle more Germans there. I really love the Curonian spit and those settlements there (I love the Balto-Germanic fusion there). This is in hindsight, looking at it from 2024. Obviously, at that time it would not have been politically and military feasible.

    You “flirt” about a lot of Eastern Euro population re-settlements, do you want to flirt about Jews, too? 🙂 Just kidding.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    Well, first of all, the Baltic Germans are a kind of a composite nationality, if one may say so, or rather a cultural group, because over the years they assimilated many other Western and Northern European nationalities as well as the locals. So it is above all a culture than a race or an ethnicity. Second, there were also Germans who cultivated their own land. Not every German was a baron as those were rare.

     

    Yes, there were Baltic German farmers. However, I don't know just how widespread they were.

    Did you know that they were not sent to Germany right away but first to Prussia? Wartheland.
     
    Yes, I know. They were resettled in western Poland after Hitler conquered it in the hopes of Germanizing western Poland, only to be forced to flee westwards once more in 1944-1945 once Germany began losing WWII and the fighting on the Eastern Front reached their own new western Polish homes.

    Hitler had a whole Heim ins Reich policy for groups like the Baltic Germans:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heim_ins_Reich

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Die_%27gro%C3%9Fz%C3%BCgigste_Umsiedlungsaktion%27_with_Poland_superimposed%2C_1939.jpg

    Outside of the German Reich, it was very cold, but within the German Reich, there was automatic warmth (for them specifically). Similar to what Russians in Crimea experienced before vs. after their incorporation into the Russian Reich in 2014.


    Well, how many would that be? Kurland was never densely populated (thanks to everything we’ve been through over the ages). However, I am very eco conscious so I’d prefer those areas to be conserved, but even in that case, there is more than enough space to be cultivated sustainably. But without joking – of course, I wouldn’t be happy with it, my preference would’ve been to return ALL of the Kurland refugees from Russia, but also to settle more Germans there. I really love the Curonian spit and those settlements there (I love the Balto-Germanic fusion there). This is in hindsight, looking at it from 2024. Obviously, at that time it would not have been politically and military feasible.
     
    Why wouldn't resettling the Courland refugees back in the Courland after a German WWI victory not be politically and militarily feasible? Due to the risk of some of them being pro-Russian fifth columnists?

    And FWIW, I wasn't only thinking about resettling the Volga Germans in Courland, but also in Livonia and Estonia, where there is much more extra space, no?


    You “flirt” about a lot of Eastern Euro population re-settlements, do you want to flirt about Jews, too? 🙂 Just kidding.

     

    Well, I think that Stalin made a huge mistake in retrospect by not deporting all of the Kresy Jews, or at least as many of them as possible, into the Soviet interior before the start of Operation Barbarossa, since that was the only realistic way to save the lives of most of them after the 1940 Fall of France. Stalin should have, of course, also offered to accept all of the Polish Jews from Hitler in 1939-1941 and to subsequently deport them to the Soviet interior, thus again ironically saving most of their lives from the impending Holocaust.

    I also think that the mass migration of Jews and Jewish-descended people from Eastern Europe to Israel has been very beneficial for Israel and I strongly hope that it will continue. I'm very glad that the far-right Jewish jackasses who talked about repealing the Grandchild Clause of Israel's Law of Return have mostly shut up about this after Hamas's extremely brutal October 7 terrorist attack on Israel. Grandchild Clause immigrants are actually very productive and very assimilated in Israel:

    https://www.calcalist.co.il/local_news/article/sjpvbcika

    FWIW, such immigrants are only non-Jewish in a very technical sense. The Israeli Chief Rabbinate doesn't consider them to be Jewish because their Jewish ancestry is on the wrong branch of their family tree. But they nevertheless overwhelmingly identify themselves as Jewish, at least while they live in Israel.

    Replies: @LatW

  491. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...What next: Hasek, Dvorak were Austrians?
     
    Hasek was a Czech Red guard who fought on the Bolshie side. He drunk a lot and was funny. There is more to Czechs than your infantile projections...learn something.

    "The Western supplies to Russia started in substantial quantities in late 1943"

    No, they started in substantial quantities in the earlier part of that year, by summer
     

    Yes, that's what I said: Germany was defeated by mid-1943 by Russians and the Anglo material help started in summer 1943, there was little use for it until late 1943 - do you understand basic logistics and how it works? The material helped but by then the Nazis were defeated - it follows that Russians won the war before the Anglos joined in. Even when you lie you remain incoherent.

    When you start using everything about USSR consistently and not always blame all the bad stuff on "Russians", we will switch back to calling it the WW2 USSR victory. Since you refuse to do that and have allied with the Banderites and Waffen SS killers you don't get to include yourself on the winning side. It is too bad for a lot of decent Ukies who died fighting Nazism.

    How about that "paused" offensive? What a cluster-f..k for the Ukies, how is this a good thing? How can a large, prosperous nation with a golden geography screw us so badly...

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

    Since you refuse to do that and have allied with the Banderites and Waffen SS killers you don’t get to include yourself on the winning side.

    Beckow, it’s not about “including yourself on the winning side” – it is about the objective, physical numbers and moves on the ground during those years.

    As to the current Ukrainian population, including them would simply be objective – a significant number of their grandfathers were part of that effort. Even many Balts were, they just don’t like talking about it (because the Red army was too mixed and overall not friendly to our nations and because the post 1991 didn’t favor them).

    We will dissect all of the Empire and the USSR, if we have to – if the narrative will be used to attack us, we will have no other choice. It’s just that people have been lazy so far and didn’t care enough. If you want to shoot missiles and invade, we’ll start caring very quickly. It would’ve been better not to go there and lay things to rest, alas… February 2022.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    The post-1991 situation was rather good for the Baltic countries, no? Other than getting a large East Slavic minority which the Balts didn't really want, I suppose, but even then, integration appears to be going pretty well:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/02/world/europe/estonia-russia-war-putin.html

    The least objectionable part of Soviet rule in the Baltics was the mass settlement of Eastern Slavs there, in my honest opinion. The most objectionable was the conquest itself, the repressions, and the mass deportations.

  492. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    I found this book by constantly searching for WWI-era literature.
     
    Where do you look for that? Online or do you visit the library in Cali?

    Lothrop Stoddard
     

    Thanks for pointing him out, didn't know him (don't know much about American ones overall). He seems to have some old elite East Coast background.

    was a racist but nevertheless often wrote very interesting and insightful things about geopolitics. Even a broken clock can be right twice a day.
     
    Actually, some "racists" might be better at geopolitics than most people because they don't have pink glasses on and are able to be more discerning. Ofc, I don't have any empirical data to back this up (other than some anecdotal evidence, lol). Some so called "racists" can be intellectually challenged, but some are above average intellectually and then those ones are really good. I hope you're not out there trying to hunt them down. :)

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Where do you look for that? Online or do you visit the library in Cali?

    Generally online. Hathi Trust, the Internet Archive, Google Books, et cetera are all great places to find old books about World War I (and about a lot of other stuff as well).

    Thanks for pointing him out, didn’t know him (don’t know much about American ones overall). He seems to have some old elite East Coast background.

    He supported Jim Crow in the Southern US, which was a state-mandated system of racial segregation. Extremely repulsive! But unfortunately he wasn’t the only intellectual in the early 20th century US who actually had such views.

    Actually, some “racists” might be better at geopolitics than most people because they don’t have pink glasses on and are able to be more discerning. Ofc, I don’t have any empirical data to back this up (other than some anecdotal evidence, lol). Some so called “racists” can be intellectually challenged, but some are above average intellectually and then those ones are really good. I hope you’re not out there trying to hunt them down. 🙂

    Yes, people who don’t have politically correct views could sometimes have a more realistic perception of things than those people who wear politically correct glasses. This can be true for both domestic and foreign policy. Of course, those who don’t have politically correct views could sometimes have their own biases as well. For instance, the far-right in the West could have an excessively rosy view of Vladimir Putin’s Russia.

    I’m actively seeking out good WWI books, especially contemporary ones, regardless of whether or not they were written by people who would be considered racists–or, for that matter, cranks–today. I just want the books themselves to be good and accurate.

    Did you know that in preparation for the eventual post-WWI peace settlement, Britain’s Foreign Office’s Historical Section created books for every territory that could potentially become a point of dispute or contention in the post-WWI peace settlement?

    https://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Great%20Britain%2E%20Foreign%20Office%2E%20Historical%20Section

    Here is the specific book that they made for your own country plus Estonia:

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101073335539&seq=7

    Also, did you know that the United States government commissioned a group of academics/experts to provide official US recommendations for the post-WWI peace settlement?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inquiry

    This is the start of their recommendations:

    https://archive.org/details/MyDiaryAtConferenceOfParis-Vol4/page/n223/mode/2up

    They continue onwards for several dozen pages and cover all of the territories that were disputed in WWI.

    As a side note, I deeply, deeply regret that someone didn’t kill Lenin back in Switzerland sometime before 1917 (similar to how, say, Jean Jaures was killed back in 1914, except he, unlike Lenin, didn’t actually deserve to be killed). Lenin’s and the Bolsheviks’ rise to power in Russia was the worst possible thing to happen during the 20th century, much worse than even WWI itself. It condemned hundreds of millions of people in Greater Russia to decades of unspeakable misery and suffering and destroyed Russia’s 20th century demographic and economic potential.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ


    As a side note, I deeply, deeply regret that someone didn’t kill Lenin back in Switzerland sometime before 1917 (similar to how, say, Jean Jaures was killed back in 1914, except he, unlike Lenin, didn’t actually deserve to be killed). Lenin’s and the Bolsheviks’ rise to power in Russia was the worst possible thing to happen during the 20th century, much worse than even WWI itself. It condemned hundreds of millions of people in Greater Russia to decades of unspeakable misery and suffering and destroyed Russia’s 20th century demographic and economic potential.

     

    Here's a fun alternate history idea: Future based Ukrainians develop a drone that can travel through the time-space continuum backwards in time and manages to kill Lenin back in 1916, thus securing a much better 20th century in a parallel universe for Ukrainians, Russians, et cetera.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  493. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Back then, you guys were mostly the rural peasants while the Germans were the townspeople as well as the nobility.
     
    Well, first of all, the Baltic Germans are a kind of a composite nationality, if one may say so, or rather a cultural group, because over the years they assimilated many other Western and Northern European nationalities as well as the locals. So it is above all a culture than a race or an ethnicity. Second, there were also Germans who cultivated their own land. Not every German was a baron as those were rare.

    Did you know that they were not sent to Germany right away but first to Prussia? Wartheland.

    I also flirted with the idea of settling Volga Germans in the Baltics en masse after a German WWI victory if anti-German sentiment in rump Russia will become too strong. What do you think?
     
    Well, how many would that be? Kurland was never densely populated (thanks to everything we've been through over the ages). However, I am very eco conscious so I'd prefer those areas to be conserved, but even in that case, there is more than enough space to be cultivated sustainably. But without joking - of course, I wouldn't be happy with it, my preference would've been to return ALL of the Kurland refugees from Russia, but also to settle more Germans there. I really love the Curonian spit and those settlements there (I love the Balto-Germanic fusion there). This is in hindsight, looking at it from 2024. Obviously, at that time it would not have been politically and military feasible.

    You "flirt" about a lot of Eastern Euro population re-settlements, do you want to flirt about Jews, too? :) Just kidding.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Well, first of all, the Baltic Germans are a kind of a composite nationality, if one may say so, or rather a cultural group, because over the years they assimilated many other Western and Northern European nationalities as well as the locals. So it is above all a culture than a race or an ethnicity. Second, there were also Germans who cultivated their own land. Not every German was a baron as those were rare.

    Yes, there were Baltic German farmers. However, I don’t know just how widespread they were.

    Did you know that they were not sent to Germany right away but first to Prussia? Wartheland.

    Yes, I know. They were resettled in western Poland after Hitler conquered it in the hopes of Germanizing western Poland, only to be forced to flee westwards once more in 1944-1945 once Germany began losing WWII and the fighting on the Eastern Front reached their own new western Polish homes.

    Hitler had a whole Heim ins Reich policy for groups like the Baltic Germans:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heim_ins_Reich

    Outside of the German Reich, it was very cold, but within the German Reich, there was automatic warmth (for them specifically). Similar to what Russians in Crimea experienced before vs. after their incorporation into the Russian Reich in 2014.

    Well, how many would that be? Kurland was never densely populated (thanks to everything we’ve been through over the ages). However, I am very eco conscious so I’d prefer those areas to be conserved, but even in that case, there is more than enough space to be cultivated sustainably. But without joking – of course, I wouldn’t be happy with it, my preference would’ve been to return ALL of the Kurland refugees from Russia, but also to settle more Germans there. I really love the Curonian spit and those settlements there (I love the Balto-Germanic fusion there). This is in hindsight, looking at it from 2024. Obviously, at that time it would not have been politically and military feasible.

    Why wouldn’t resettling the Courland refugees back in the Courland after a German WWI victory not be politically and militarily feasible? Due to the risk of some of them being pro-Russian fifth columnists?

    And FWIW, I wasn’t only thinking about resettling the Volga Germans in Courland, but also in Livonia and Estonia, where there is much more extra space, no?

    You “flirt” about a lot of Eastern Euro population re-settlements, do you want to flirt about Jews, too? 🙂 Just kidding.

    Well, I think that Stalin made a huge mistake in retrospect by not deporting all of the Kresy Jews, or at least as many of them as possible, into the Soviet interior before the start of Operation Barbarossa, since that was the only realistic way to save the lives of most of them after the 1940 Fall of France. Stalin should have, of course, also offered to accept all of the Polish Jews from Hitler in 1939-1941 and to subsequently deport them to the Soviet interior, thus again ironically saving most of their lives from the impending Holocaust.

    I also think that the mass migration of Jews and Jewish-descended people from Eastern Europe to Israel has been very beneficial for Israel and I strongly hope that it will continue. I’m very glad that the far-right Jewish jackasses who talked about repealing the Grandchild Clause of Israel’s Law of Return have mostly shut up about this after Hamas’s extremely brutal October 7 terrorist attack on Israel. Grandchild Clause immigrants are actually very productive and very assimilated in Israel:

    https://www.calcalist.co.il/local_news/article/sjpvbcika

    FWIW, such immigrants are only non-Jewish in a very technical sense. The Israeli Chief Rabbinate doesn’t consider them to be Jewish because their Jewish ancestry is on the wrong branch of their family tree. But they nevertheless overwhelmingly identify themselves as Jewish, at least while they live in Israel.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Yes, there were Baltic German farmers. However, I don’t know just how widespread they were.
     
    One would have to look at every person / family history separately. Btw, in the beginning, when the Crusader Knights came and after considerable fighting (and all kinds of allying), they didn't totally subjugate everyone right away, there were sons of local chieftains that became vassals controlling their fathers' lands.

    Outside of the German Reich, it was very cold, but within the German Reich, there was automatic warmth (for them specifically).
     
    Where did you hear or read this?

    They differ from real Germans (in mentality, speech, culture, their motto was In Treuen fest - Firm in loyalty... it sounds so beautifully sad today). When the German population fled Prussia, some of the Ancient Prussian individuals (and their genetics obviously) were also wrongfully banished from their ancestral home, because they were assimilated into Germans. I have spoken with a few who moved to the US.

    Why wouldn’t resettling the Courland refugees back in the Courland after a German WWI victory not be politically and militarily feasible?
     
    Because they had recently fought. And the Germans were planning to re-colonize quite extensively (at our expense). But these sentiments come and go, co-habitation is possible.

    Due to the risk of some of them being pro-Russian fifth columnists?
     
    Not at all, Kurland is their homeland. But the ones who remained in Russia were treated that way later and shot in large numbers (in the 1930s).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  494. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Since you refuse to do that and have allied with the Banderites and Waffen SS killers you don’t get to include yourself on the winning side.
     
    Beckow, it's not about "including yourself on the winning side" - it is about the objective, physical numbers and moves on the ground during those years.

    As to the current Ukrainian population, including them would simply be objective - a significant number of their grandfathers were part of that effort. Even many Balts were, they just don't like talking about it (because the Red army was too mixed and overall not friendly to our nations and because the post 1991 didn't favor them).

    We will dissect all of the Empire and the USSR, if we have to - if the narrative will be used to attack us, we will have no other choice. It's just that people have been lazy so far and didn't care enough. If you want to shoot missiles and invade, we'll start caring very quickly. It would've been better not to go there and lay things to rest, alas... February 2022.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    The post-1991 situation was rather good for the Baltic countries, no? Other than getting a large East Slavic minority which the Balts didn’t really want, I suppose, but even then, integration appears to be going pretty well:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/02/world/europe/estonia-russia-war-putin.html

    The least objectionable part of Soviet rule in the Baltics was the mass settlement of Eastern Slavs there, in my honest opinion. The most objectionable was the conquest itself, the repressions, and the mass deportations.

  495. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    In fact exit polls showed that Trump lost White independents which was a trend that started with COVID.

     

    Interesting that Trump gained among minorities but lost among whites in 2020, thus costing him the 2020 election. This is after he ran a semi-white nationalist campaign in 2016 but toned it down in 2020, giving out Platinum Plans to every racial group other than White Americans.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Interesting that Trump gained among minorities but lost among whites in 2020, thus costing him the 2020 election. This is after he ran a semi-white nationalist campaign in 2016 but toned it down in 2020, giving out Platinum Plans to every racial group other than White Americans.

    Weirdly he has gained recently with Black/Hispanic men while losing White women.

    White female independents could end up deciding the election if Trump is the nominee.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    Black and Hispanic men probably like Trump due to his prole attitude ("I love the poorly educated!"; his various insults and non-PC takes; his machismo and strongman image). If he will support making our child support laws fairer by giving unwilling parents, especially but not only fathers, a unilateral opt-out from paying child support, then his support among this demographic can only increase. But that won't happen since it would conflict with the GOP's anti-abortion stance.


    White female independents could end up deciding the election if Trump is the nominee.

     

    Agreed, and here's hoping that they fall for Dark Brandon.

    https://kuow-prod.imgix.net/store/845937b066c3ad15444ef4f142fecde4.jpg?fm=jpg&fit=max&w=1200&h=628&q=80

    https://images.axios.com/Nw-D7xY8WWcFB7PQvNNPpLwZb7w=/433x0:1513x1080/1024x1024/2023/08/04/1691136342154.png

    Dark Brandon can then do the political equivalent to Donald Trump of what in Yu-Gi-Oh! is sending someone to the Shadow Realm with a Mind Crush!

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d4/47/fa/d447fa016bdaefd8e6ed89dc0251f64f.gif

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xmLdBqrCpc

    Replies: @John Johnson

  496. @LatW
    @sudden death


    imho, in practice more likely it will be a mix of all available UA countermeasures – maybe roughly 200k mobilization for territorial defensive goals, while continuing longer range strikes both in air&sea during 2024.
     
    They are working on their own long range capability, so that they don't have to ask permission from the West (apparently there is some proof that the one that hit St Pete really did fly out of Ukraine).

    Did you watch the incredible footage from the Ivanovets? It almost looks like very early 20th century fighting with early 21st. What is most amazing about this footage, imo, is how the ship is trying to defend itself - the ship obviously knows it's under a very serious attack and is staring death in the eyes, she is fighting for her life - you can see the barrage of smaller splashes in the water, it is where the ship is firing at the drones (with machine guns) and yet the drone skirts by and persists resolutely on its course - it is able to move in such an agile way that it circumvents the intense fire from the ship and reaches the target.

    It was apparently the Sea Baby (the Malyuka) (most likely several of them). The next step of development would be if the Sea Baby itself were able to swim back after "mission accomplished" but that is probably from the realm of fantasy at this point.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHFlqgCyElo

    Replies: @Derer, @sudden death

    As long as UA can keep blowing warships out of the water or burn oil refineries inside RF everytime there is some suburbia pobeda announced by Kremlin, it should be favourable exchange rate for Kiev – there are more suburbs in Donbas than RF has warships or refineries;)

    • LOL: LatW
  497. @Beckow
    @A123

    Even when pushed into a corner and desperately needing the money for Ukraine, the libs and RINO's are not willing to give an inch. That says it all - the open border is the sine qua none of their world view and plans...

    You are an optimist, but in general the RINO's always betray, they just need a cover. The insane details are revealing. It reminds me of a supposed saying by Hitler: I break my promises and carry out my threats...

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikel

    Even when pushed into a corner and desperately needing the money for Ukraine, the libs and RINO’s are not willing to give an inch. That says it all – the open border is the sine qua none of their world view and plans…

    Why don’t the Republicans take the current border deal that they negotiated and then further lock it down if Trump wins?

    You do acknowledge that House Republicans want to fund Israel more than anything? It’s the only current issue where they want a simple up and down vote.

    Nothing is stopping them from a straight up and down vote on border funding.

    However they instead want to send $14 billion to Israel even though it wasn’t requested. Israel is doing just fine with their current military.

    It’s an amusing taboo subject at Unz. Striker however broke it somewhat by bringing up Evangelicals and their unyielding support of Israel.

    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson

    Why doesn't MAGA take the current deal that anti-MAGA RINO's negotiated? Because it would:

    Increase Migration
    • Limit Trump's 2nd term authority

    Even the authors, including Mitch McConnell, are trying to escape: (1)


    Exactly how bad is the “bipartisan” legislation, which should be called, ‘the border insecurity in exchange for Ukraine money act’?

    The bill is so bad, and makes things so much worse, that James Lankford may end up voting against his own legislative creation.

    Making matters worse, Mitch McConnell is now pretending the entire fiasco wasn’t his idea, further leaving James Lankford out to dry on his own.


    (Politico) – […] Several members of GOP leadership came out against the legislation in the past 24 hours, further boxing in Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. The Kentucky Republican, who supports the agreement linking border policy changes with aid to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, called Monday’s meeting an “interesting discussion.”

    Inside the room, McConnell told Republicans that if they didn’t like the direction that the bill is going, they should vote against moving forward this week, according to two people briefed on the meeting who were granted anonymity to speak candidly.
     


     
    This abomination unto sanity is unlikely to reach the Senate floor.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/02/05/beyond-a-hot-mess-mcconnell-retreats-from-support-of-border-deal-lankford-my-vote-against-his-own-legislation/

  498. Tucker went to Moscow. 🙂 He must really be enjoying all that attention there.

    Probably working on another Trump – Putin collusion behind the scenes. 🙂
    This time maybe for real.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @LatW

    Well no (non-Russian) music star is going to perform a concert in Riga, no (non-Russian) film star is going to promote a film in Riga, no (non-Russian) sports star has any wish to play in Riga......so why should a journalist star be different?!!

    For sure, Riga could attract with a 2* hotel stay, some prick like Sentsov (lunatic ukrop film director, whose films not a single person on earth appears to have watched) but not many others

    Replies: @LatW

  499. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Even when pushed into a corner and desperately needing the money for Ukraine, the libs and RINO’s are not willing to give an inch. That says it all – the open border is the sine qua none of their world view and plans…

    Why don't the Republicans take the current border deal that they negotiated and then further lock it down if Trump wins?

    You do acknowledge that House Republicans want to fund Israel more than anything? It's the only current issue where they want a simple up and down vote.

    Nothing is stopping them from a straight up and down vote on border funding.

    However they instead want to send $14 billion to Israel even though it wasn't requested. Israel is doing just fine with their current military.

    It's an amusing taboo subject at Unz. Striker however broke it somewhat by bringing up Evangelicals and their unyielding support of Israel.

    Replies: @A123

    Why doesn’t MAGA take the current deal that anti-MAGA RINO’s negotiated? Because it would:

    Increase Migration
    • Limit Trump’s 2nd term authority

    Even the authors, including Mitch McConnell, are trying to escape: (1)

    Exactly how bad is the “bipartisan” legislation, which should be called, ‘the border insecurity in exchange for Ukraine money act’?

    The bill is so bad, and makes things so much worse, that James Lankford may end up voting against his own legislative creation.

    Making matters worse, Mitch McConnell is now pretending the entire fiasco wasn’t his idea, further leaving James Lankford out to dry on his own.

    (Politico) – […] Several members of GOP leadership came out against the legislation in the past 24 hours, further boxing in Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. The Kentucky Republican, who supports the agreement linking border policy changes with aid to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan, called Monday’s meeting an “interesting discussion.”

    Inside the room, McConnell told Republicans that if they didn’t like the direction that the bill is going, they should vote against moving forward this week, according to two people briefed on the meeting who were granted anonymity to speak candidly.

    This abomination unto sanity is unlikely to reach the Senate floor.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/02/05/beyond-a-hot-mess-mcconnell-retreats-from-support-of-border-deal-lankford-my-vote-against-his-own-legislation/

  500. Why doesn’t MAGA take the current deal that anti-MAGA RINO’s negotiated? Because it would:

    • Increase Migration

    How would that be when both sides agree that it would reduce crossings at the southern border?

    Limit Trump’s 2nd term authority

    If Trump can pass his own bill when he wins then why not reform this one at that time?

    What if Trump doesn’t win? Shouldn’t they pass the bill to account for that scenario?

    This bill ends the worst components of catch and release. They can’t just show up and then walk into the country with a court date. Part of the compromise is to build detention centers where they can wait for a court date.

    The ACLU and pro-Immigration Hispanic wing are against this bill. Republicans were supportive of the bill until Trump stuck his nose in it. The Border patrol supports it.

    Trump and ACLU: Please vote no

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @John Johnson

    ROTFLMAO



    Why doesn’t MAGA take the current deal that anti-MAGA RINO’s negotiated? Because it would:

    • Increase Migration
     
    How would that be when both sides agree that it would reduce crossings at the southern border?
     
    Both sides??? [MORE]

    RINO's and Dems are the same side. Only the Uniparty was there.

    "How would that be"? Just how naive and gullible are you? The anti-MAGA establishment LIES. They know the bill does the opposite of what they claim.

    If your Not-The-President Biden wants to make progress he has only one choice. Show good faith by reinstating Trump's "Stay in Mexico" plan under Title 42.

    PEACE 😇


     
    https://media0.giphy.com/media/UU1bHu6QWyFxZM63Jh/giphy.gif
     

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  501. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Interesting that Trump gained among minorities but lost among whites in 2020, thus costing him the 2020 election. This is after he ran a semi-white nationalist campaign in 2016 but toned it down in 2020, giving out Platinum Plans to every racial group other than White Americans.

    Weirdly he has gained recently with Black/Hispanic men while losing White women.

    White female independents could end up deciding the election if Trump is the nominee.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Black and Hispanic men probably like Trump due to his prole attitude (“I love the poorly educated!”; his various insults and non-PC takes; his machismo and strongman image). If he will support making our child support laws fairer by giving unwilling parents, especially but not only fathers, a unilateral opt-out from paying child support, then his support among this demographic can only increase. But that won’t happen since it would conflict with the GOP’s anti-abortion stance.

    White female independents could end up deciding the election if Trump is the nominee.

    Agreed, and here’s hoping that they fall for Dark Brandon.

    Dark Brandon can then do the political equivalent to Donald Trump of what in Yu-Gi-Oh! is sending someone to the Shadow Realm with a Mind Crush!

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Black and Hispanic men probably like Trump due to his prole attitude (“I love the poorly educated!”; his various insults and non-PC takes; his machismo and strongman image).

    Hispanic men are known to vote for the more masculine of the candidates. It was believed that this gave Clinton the advantage over Bush. So you are probably right.

    Blacks will vote based on "Good times" memories. If they remember a better economy from a candidate then they will vote for him. They can look past anything else which honestly gives me the creeps. Very similar to "big man" dictators in Africa that can do anything as long as everyone eats.

    Both Hispanic and Black men seem willing to ignore a lot. White women seem more offended by Trump's "bad Hombres" comments than Hispanic men.

    If he will support making our child support laws fairer by giving unwilling parents, especially but not only fathers, a unilateral opt-out from paying child support, then his support among this demographic can only increase.

    The Democrats put out a rumor over Romney taking away food stamps and it worked.

    In MAGA We Trust news:

    Trump lost his immunity case on all three arguments:
    https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-02-06/key-takeaways-from-trump-presidential-immunity-ruling

    He can appeal to the Supreme Court but the chances of it working are nil. Someone pointed out that if he is successful then Biden can commit crimes against him.

    Innocent people don't use special immunity as a defense.

    The Jan 6th case shows colluding on his part. He really should have stayed out of it and played stupid. Or better yet told his supporters to go home. But he supposedly ran his mouth to witnesses about various options. His followers seem to ignore this pattern where he runs his mouth before thinking. The classified documents case is the hardest to defend because he is on tape talking about how he should have declassified a document and he also asked two employees to help cover up evidence.

  502. Tucker goes where SJW’s fear to tread: (1)

    I’m not sure what provoked Tucker Carlson to actually follow through on this plan; I know he was deeply worried about being arrested in Russia. However, Carlson did something every U.S. journalist should do, even though they are forbidden by the State Dept from doing it.

    The reason the U.S. Government doesn’t want people traveling into Russia, is specifically because people will tell the experience of their time in Russia, and that will run completely counter to the acceptable narrative. Tucker Carlson took the chance, and the intelligence apparatus is likely going bananas.

    If we lived in a world governed by grown-ups, this interview would not be even slightly controversial. Unfortunately, we live in a world choreographed by the U.S. intelligence apparatus to provide us only one skewed version of global reality. When it comes to Russia, nothing… not a single thing…. is in alignment with what Western media proclaim is the reality.

    Putin with a serious interviewer will be well worth watching.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/02/06/tucker-carlson-goes-to-the-forbidden-zone-to-interview-public-enemy-2-vladimir-putin/

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    When it comes to Russia, nothing… not a single thing…. is in alignment with what Western media proclaim is the reality.
     
    Yep. Seeing the reality in Russia would debunk a mass of lies spewed by Western propaganda. Naturally, they don’t want people to go to Russia and see it as it is, not as they hoped it to be.

    Putin with a serious interviewer will be well worth watching.
     
    That’s the main motivation for Tucker: greatly increase viewership. He has nothing to lose, as he has already run afoul of the elites promoting policies destructive for the country.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123

    I would rather watch Putin talking to Alex Jones. Not that it would be worth watching either but it might be more like the entertaining side of Operation Mindfuck. You would be far better off reading this:

    http://www.jchristiangreer.com/popular

    or maybe this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Illuminatus!_Trilogy

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fb/Illuminatus1sted.jpg

    , @John Johnson
    @A123

    Putin with a serious interviewer will be well worth watching.

    I'm sure there will be hard hitting questions in his spirit of independent journalism where he challenges all points of view.

    He will ask a range of questions that force Putin to explain himself.

    We won't see any softballing or scripted answers.

    It will be the most honest piece of journalism since yesterday's WWE wrestling event.

  503. @Mr. XYZ
    LatW: Of course, if you want to discuss Lebensraum, you can also discuss it in a context where Russia's 20th century demographic potential was not destroyed, such as if there would have been no Bolshevik coup in Russia back in 1917. In such a scenario, Russia would have had many more settlers to send to remote parts of its empire, as would Ukraine and Belarus, assuming that they would have remained under Russian rule in such a scenario.

    Also, here's an American example of Lebensraum in action:

    https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/u-s-population-density-animation.gif

    I think that having Russians pursue Lebensraum is more interesting than having Germans pursue Lebensraum simply because Russians had many more extra people to spare than the Germans had before Nazis and Communists jointly destroyed a lot of Russia's 20th century demographic potential.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I think that having Russians pursue Lebensraum is more interesting than having Germans pursue Lebensraum simply because Russians had many more extra people to spare than the Germans had before Nazis and Communists jointly destroyed a lot of Russia’s 20th century demographic potential.

    I meant both as alternate history scenarios, obviously. Though Russian Lebensraum could have been humane if done under a liberal government, such as under, say, the Right SRs.

  504. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    Black and Hispanic men probably like Trump due to his prole attitude ("I love the poorly educated!"; his various insults and non-PC takes; his machismo and strongman image). If he will support making our child support laws fairer by giving unwilling parents, especially but not only fathers, a unilateral opt-out from paying child support, then his support among this demographic can only increase. But that won't happen since it would conflict with the GOP's anti-abortion stance.


    White female independents could end up deciding the election if Trump is the nominee.

     

    Agreed, and here's hoping that they fall for Dark Brandon.

    https://kuow-prod.imgix.net/store/845937b066c3ad15444ef4f142fecde4.jpg?fm=jpg&fit=max&w=1200&h=628&q=80

    https://images.axios.com/Nw-D7xY8WWcFB7PQvNNPpLwZb7w=/433x0:1513x1080/1024x1024/2023/08/04/1691136342154.png

    Dark Brandon can then do the political equivalent to Donald Trump of what in Yu-Gi-Oh! is sending someone to the Shadow Realm with a Mind Crush!

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d4/47/fa/d447fa016bdaefd8e6ed89dc0251f64f.gif

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xmLdBqrCpc

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Black and Hispanic men probably like Trump due to his prole attitude (“I love the poorly educated!”; his various insults and non-PC takes; his machismo and strongman image).

    Hispanic men are known to vote for the more masculine of the candidates. It was believed that this gave Clinton the advantage over Bush. So you are probably right.

    Blacks will vote based on “Good times” memories. If they remember a better economy from a candidate then they will vote for him. They can look past anything else which honestly gives me the creeps. Very similar to “big man” dictators in Africa that can do anything as long as everyone eats.

    Both Hispanic and Black men seem willing to ignore a lot. White women seem more offended by Trump’s “bad Hombres” comments than Hispanic men.

    If he will support making our child support laws fairer by giving unwilling parents, especially but not only fathers, a unilateral opt-out from paying child support, then his support among this demographic can only increase.

    The Democrats put out a rumor over Romney taking away food stamps and it worked.

    In MAGA We Trust news:

    Trump lost his immunity case on all three arguments:
    https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-02-06/key-takeaways-from-trump-presidential-immunity-ruling

    He can appeal to the Supreme Court but the chances of it working are nil. Someone pointed out that if he is successful then Biden can commit crimes against him.

    Innocent people don’t use special immunity as a defense.

    The Jan 6th case shows colluding on his part. He really should have stayed out of it and played stupid. Or better yet told his supporters to go home. But he supposedly ran his mouth to witnesses about various options. His followers seem to ignore this pattern where he runs his mouth before thinking. The classified documents case is the hardest to defend because he is on tape talking about how he should have declassified a document and he also asked two employees to help cover up evidence.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ, Mr. Hack
  505. @John Johnson
    Why doesn’t MAGA take the current deal that anti-MAGA RINO’s negotiated? Because it would:

    • Increase Migration

    How would that be when both sides agree that it would reduce crossings at the southern border?

    Limit Trump’s 2nd term authority

    If Trump can pass his own bill when he wins then why not reform this one at that time?

    What if Trump doesn't win? Shouldn't they pass the bill to account for that scenario?

    This bill ends the worst components of catch and release. They can't just show up and then walk into the country with a court date. Part of the compromise is to build detention centers where they can wait for a court date.

    The ACLU and pro-Immigration Hispanic wing are against this bill. Republicans were supportive of the bill until Trump stuck his nose in it. The Border patrol supports it.

    Trump and ACLU: Please vote no

    Replies: @A123

    ROTFLMAO

    Why doesn’t MAGA take the current deal that anti-MAGA RINO’s negotiated? Because it would:

    • Increase Migration

    How would that be when both sides agree that it would reduce crossings at the southern border?

    Both sides??? [MORE]

    RINO’s and Dems are the same side. Only the Uniparty was there.

    How would that be“? Just how naive and gullible are you? The anti-MAGA establishment LIES. They know the bill does the opposite of what they claim.

    If your Not-The-President Biden wants to make progress he has only one choice. Show good faith by reinstating Trump’s “Stay in Mexico” plan under Title 42.

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]

     

     

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123

    Hey, various JJs, Mr. XYZs, and other personages promoting similar lies repeatedly write to you. Apparently, they don’t think that you are hopelessly sane and normal. They don’t respond to me, which I take as a sign that these liars (or morons, if they are sincere) have no hope with me. I see this as the highest level of praise possible.

  506. @A123
    Tucker goes where SJW's fear to tread: (1)

    I’m not sure what provoked Tucker Carlson to actually follow through on this plan; I know he was deeply worried about being arrested in Russia. However, Carlson did something every U.S. journalist should do, even though they are forbidden by the State Dept from doing it.

    The reason the U.S. Government doesn’t want people traveling into Russia, is specifically because people will tell the experience of their time in Russia, and that will run completely counter to the acceptable narrative. Tucker Carlson took the chance, and the intelligence apparatus is likely going bananas.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kzmvvKdts8I

    If we lived in a world governed by grown-ups, this interview would not be even slightly controversial. Unfortunately, we live in a world choreographed by the U.S. intelligence apparatus to provide us only one skewed version of global reality. When it comes to Russia, nothing… not a single thing…. is in alignment with what Western media proclaim is the reality.
     
    Putin with a serious interviewer will be well worth watching.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/02/06/tucker-carlson-goes-to-the-forbidden-zone-to-interview-public-enemy-2-vladimir-putin/

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson

    When it comes to Russia, nothing… not a single thing…. is in alignment with what Western media proclaim is the reality.

    Yep. Seeing the reality in Russia would debunk a mass of lies spewed by Western propaganda. Naturally, they don’t want people to go to Russia and see it as it is, not as they hoped it to be.

    Putin with a serious interviewer will be well worth watching.

    That’s the main motivation for Tucker: greatly increase viewership. He has nothing to lose, as he has already run afoul of the elites promoting policies destructive for the country.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AnonfromTN

    A Tucker Carlson interview with Vladimir "Bad Vlad" Putin would be just as interesting to see as an isolationist US journalist interviewing Hitler after September 1, 1939 but before Pearl Harbor. Hitler would have no doubt in such a scenario have blamed the Poles and the Anglo-French for starting WWII by refusing to agree to Danzig's reunion with Germany and for encircling Germany through their potentially hostile alliance against it.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    He has nothing to lose, as he has already run afoul of the elites promoting policies destructive for the country.
     
    This explains why you're so enamored with Tucker Carlson. I think that you should accompany Carlson on his upcoming trip, and the both of you remain there for the duration of your lives.
    , @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    I don't think they should have agreed to be interviewed by him, I don't see any good coming from it, and would just prefer if VVP did another interview with a Russian journalist.

    Unless there was an amusing pretext for the interview such as Medvedev on VK doing a threatening of the US not being in existence for its 250th birthday (which I hope he will say before 2026!) then what's the point?

    Trump is the US President out of the last 3, who is by far the most responsible for the need to denazify and demilitarise Ukraine. It's unbelievablely idiotic to say "no wars happened when he was President", because he laid all the foundation making SMO a neccesity- and that's even with Republican party control of the 2 parliaments.
    Tomos for fake ukrop church happened only from extensive "diplomatic" work from his Gosdep, ZERO attempt to pressure 404 to even START fullfil Minsk Agreement, for a so called businessman ZERO attempt on at least Crimea negotiations and some financial figure offered, Nord Stream 2 delayed significantly and tried to stop, weapons sent to 404, training their military (to zero benefit, LOL), most preparation of their defences in Donbass done during his time

    So if Carlson doesn't approach the interview from the position that Trump has caused much of these problems and its just a Trump c*ck-sucking exercise..... the entire thing should be a waste of time, because it's not Putin's style to be calling Trump a fat scumbag war criminal.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard

  507. @A123
    Tucker goes where SJW's fear to tread: (1)

    I’m not sure what provoked Tucker Carlson to actually follow through on this plan; I know he was deeply worried about being arrested in Russia. However, Carlson did something every U.S. journalist should do, even though they are forbidden by the State Dept from doing it.

    The reason the U.S. Government doesn’t want people traveling into Russia, is specifically because people will tell the experience of their time in Russia, and that will run completely counter to the acceptable narrative. Tucker Carlson took the chance, and the intelligence apparatus is likely going bananas.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kzmvvKdts8I

    If we lived in a world governed by grown-ups, this interview would not be even slightly controversial. Unfortunately, we live in a world choreographed by the U.S. intelligence apparatus to provide us only one skewed version of global reality. When it comes to Russia, nothing… not a single thing…. is in alignment with what Western media proclaim is the reality.
     
    Putin with a serious interviewer will be well worth watching.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/02/06/tucker-carlson-goes-to-the-forbidden-zone-to-interview-public-enemy-2-vladimir-putin/

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson

    I would rather watch Putin talking to Alex Jones. Not that it would be worth watching either but it might be more like the entertaining side of Operation Mindfuck. You would be far better off reading this:

    http://www.jchristiangreer.com/popular

    or maybe this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Illuminatus!_Trilogy

  508. @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    When it comes to Russia, nothing… not a single thing…. is in alignment with what Western media proclaim is the reality.
     
    Yep. Seeing the reality in Russia would debunk a mass of lies spewed by Western propaganda. Naturally, they don’t want people to go to Russia and see it as it is, not as they hoped it to be.

    Putin with a serious interviewer will be well worth watching.
     
    That’s the main motivation for Tucker: greatly increase viewership. He has nothing to lose, as he has already run afoul of the elites promoting policies destructive for the country.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

    A Tucker Carlson interview with Vladimir “Bad Vlad” Putin would be just as interesting to see as an isolationist US journalist interviewing Hitler after September 1, 1939 but before Pearl Harbor. Hitler would have no doubt in such a scenario have blamed the Poles and the Anglo-French for starting WWII by refusing to agree to Danzig’s reunion with Germany and for encircling Germany through their potentially hostile alliance against it.

  509. @A123
    Tucker goes where SJW's fear to tread: (1)

    I’m not sure what provoked Tucker Carlson to actually follow through on this plan; I know he was deeply worried about being arrested in Russia. However, Carlson did something every U.S. journalist should do, even though they are forbidden by the State Dept from doing it.

    The reason the U.S. Government doesn’t want people traveling into Russia, is specifically because people will tell the experience of their time in Russia, and that will run completely counter to the acceptable narrative. Tucker Carlson took the chance, and the intelligence apparatus is likely going bananas.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kzmvvKdts8I

    If we lived in a world governed by grown-ups, this interview would not be even slightly controversial. Unfortunately, we live in a world choreographed by the U.S. intelligence apparatus to provide us only one skewed version of global reality. When it comes to Russia, nothing… not a single thing…. is in alignment with what Western media proclaim is the reality.
     
    Putin with a serious interviewer will be well worth watching.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/02/06/tucker-carlson-goes-to-the-forbidden-zone-to-interview-public-enemy-2-vladimir-putin/

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard, @John Johnson

    Putin with a serious interviewer will be well worth watching.

    I’m sure there will be hard hitting questions in his spirit of independent journalism where he challenges all points of view.

    He will ask a range of questions that force Putin to explain himself.

    We won’t see any softballing or scripted answers.

    It will be the most honest piece of journalism since yesterday’s WWE wrestling event.

  510. @A123
    @John Johnson

    ROTFLMAO



    Why doesn’t MAGA take the current deal that anti-MAGA RINO’s negotiated? Because it would:

    • Increase Migration
     
    How would that be when both sides agree that it would reduce crossings at the southern border?
     
    Both sides??? [MORE]

    RINO's and Dems are the same side. Only the Uniparty was there.

    "How would that be"? Just how naive and gullible are you? The anti-MAGA establishment LIES. They know the bill does the opposite of what they claim.

    If your Not-The-President Biden wants to make progress he has only one choice. Show good faith by reinstating Trump's "Stay in Mexico" plan under Title 42.

    PEACE 😇


     
    https://media0.giphy.com/media/UU1bHu6QWyFxZM63Jh/giphy.gif
     

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Hey, various JJs, Mr. XYZs, and other personages promoting similar lies repeatedly write to you. Apparently, they don’t think that you are hopelessly sane and normal. They don’t respond to me, which I take as a sign that these liars (or morons, if they are sincere) have no hope with me. I see this as the highest level of praise possible.

    • Agree: Yevardian
    • Thanks: A123
  511. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader


    Like some others (Mikel, Yevardian, Sher Singh) I find this place increasingly unreadable and not worth spending time on, but rest of the internet is pretty shit as well.
     
    If you did not read Ron Unz's khazar/haplogroup post you missed one that is definitely better than the rest of the internet, albeit plenty of skip-worthy commenters. Alternatives are heavily moderated or bot moderated; I prefer to manually moderate by myself by skipping selected individuals on-the-fly. This place was always unreadable and not worth spending time on. 90% of everything is crap.

    Everything. A classics course at Oxford?

    90% crap.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    If you did not read Ron Unz’s khazar/haplogroup post you missed one that is definitely better than the rest of the internet

    That theory has been doing the rounds for close to 100 years. I highly, highly doubt Khazars contributed a thing to Ashkenazi genetics, but if they did, I honestly don’t really care a damn, it doesn’t change a thing to me. Unz now seems to be doing regular interviews with Shiite-convert vax-genocide Mike Whitney over the totally unique evil of Israel’s determination to win a decisive victory in a zero-sum race war. It really is striking how many people eventually completely lose their minds when they take an interest in Jews, one doesn’t have to be any kind of philosemite to notice this.

    Re Claudius, the alt-history trannyposter strikes me more of a delusional Nero figure.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yevardian

    Did you not read Ron Unz's article? He isn't promoting the Khazaria theory. He thinks it's Phoenecia. It is pretty astonishing and reminds me of a once-famous book by Garry Wills, Nixon Agonistes: The Crisis of the Self-Made Man. What do you call a man who believes the Lee Harvey Oswald lone gunman story for 47 years and then all of a sudden gets an epiphany?

    Did you ever get around to reading Bronze Age Pervert's Selective Breeding book?

    Replies: @Yevardian

  512. @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    On the probably most damaging issue for Biden with the electorate Lankford et al have given the Dems the excuse that they tried to “fix the border” but the Republicans refused. If they have any brains they’ll be using that line from here to November and the media will amplify it to make the Republicans look responsible for the border disaster.

    The Republicans negotiated the current bill and now they are walking away from it.

    The conservative Wall St Journal is furious with them.

    Republicans in both houses are idiots but the House MAGA Republicans are truly a league of their own. They want an up and down vote on Israel but not the border. Which means that giving Israel 14 billion dollars is the most important priority for them.

    Surely, enough normies will buy that crap when the other day even AP and others were making the same argument that Trump is responsible for the border catastrophe now.

    The average person is independent and polls show that independents hate both Biden and Trump.

    So as a foreign person you are clearly out of touch with normal Americans.

    Normies want new candidates and not a president who gets lost in buildings or a con artist facing over 30 felonies.

    And yet some here try to convince us to vote for Haley lol.

    And yet some of you think Trump could lose in the election just because of some polls. Clearly you have been falling for MSM propaganda.

    - Trump fans in 2020

    In fact exit polls showed that Trump lost White independents which was a trend that started with COVID.

    Ironically both Trump and Biden can only win if the other runs. Polls show that they both need independents to be forced into a Turd Sandwich / Giant Douche election.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au8oNaVHUHw

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikel

    And yet some of you think Trump could lose in the election just because of some polls. Clearly you have been falling for MSM propaganda.

    – Trump fans in 2020

    Did you have a Biden moment when you typed all that? It doesn’t follow from anything I said and is incoherent as hell.

    Whatever you were trying to say don’t bother explaining anyway. Someone who constantly forgets who he is responding to and what his interlocutor’s positions are doesn’t have anything of value to provide. Go back to watching military porn.

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Mikel

    I added to my ignore list after his first couple of posts. Unlike Laxa or A123 you're not even going to get humour out him, assuming a real person's even behind it, seems like a very dour character.

    Thanks for the Pío Baroja recommendation btw. Far more enjoyable than better known authors like Borges, always felt with him that once his novelty-value quickly wore off, there's nothing of substance there.

    Why don't you update us on Milei's crusade? Been a while since it came up here, Since Dmitry's absence it's just Russians and East-Euros snapping at each other again.

    Replies: @Mikel

  513. A Tucker Carlson interview with Vladimir “Bad Vlad” Putin would be just as interesting to see as an isolationist US journalist interviewing Hitler after September 1, 1939 but before Pearl Harbor.

    Hard hitting questions like:

    Why did the Allies force you to invade Poland?

    Are the victims of the Gleiwitz attack ok?

    I didn’t see any evidence of Jews being treated poorly. Do you think they are making it up?

    What would you say is the softer side of Adolf that Americans aren’t seeing?

    What is your favorite flavor of ice cream?

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  514. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    And yet some of you think Trump could lose in the election just because of some polls. Clearly you have been falling for MSM propaganda.

    – Trump fans in 2020
     
    Did you have a Biden moment when you typed all that? It doesn't follow from anything I said and is incoherent as hell.

    Whatever you were trying to say don't bother explaining anyway. Someone who constantly forgets who he is responding to and what his interlocutor's positions are doesn't have anything of value to provide. Go back to watching military porn.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    I added to my ignore list after his first couple of posts. Unlike Laxa or A123 you’re not even going to get humour out him, assuming a real person’s even behind it, seems like a very dour character.

    Thanks for the Pío Baroja recommendation btw. Far more enjoyable than better known authors like Borges, always felt with him that once his novelty-value quickly wore off, there’s nothing of substance there.

    Why don’t you update us on Milei’s crusade? Been a while since it came up here, Since Dmitry’s absence it’s just Russians and East-Euros snapping at each other again.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Yevardian


    Why don’t you update us on Milei’s crusade?
     
    I'm actually having quite a lot of fun watching (from a safe distance) that crusade play out. Inflation is still out of control (latest figure I've seen is 250% per year) and that may provoke his downfall if he doesn't manage to control it but a part of this increase may be intentional, in order to dilute the debts of the Central Bank.

    Instead of going for an immediate closure of the Central Bank, as some thought he might do, he's gone for a more pragmatic approach of sanitizing its balance first. Otherwise, many creditors in Argentina would have lost a lot of money and the banking sector could have imploded. But he managed to convert a huge amount of very short debt that he inherited into longer term debt at a rate that is now well below inflation so it will be much easier to repay when it's due. He had to compromise on some of his campaign promises anyway, because he has very little support in the parliament, being the leader of a very recent movement. His Minister of Economy Caputo, who had already served in a previous administration, is the architect of much of his economic policy. So no radical changes so far.

    On the other hand, he's managed to implement quite an impressive number of legal and regulatory reforms that may change Argentina in a very radical way as time goes on. They all go in the direction of liberalizing one of the most regulated countries of the world. I think he's done quite a good job overall so far and I see many Argentinian opinion leaders and media personalities supporting the general direction he's taking. I guess Argentina must have been in a desperate position for such a radical change to take place but I wasn't following until the Milei phenomenon cropped up.

    Replies: @LondonBob

  515. @Beckow
    @A123

    Even when pushed into a corner and desperately needing the money for Ukraine, the libs and RINO's are not willing to give an inch. That says it all - the open border is the sine qua none of their world view and plans...

    You are an optimist, but in general the RINO's always betray, they just need a cover. The insane details are revealing. It reminds me of a supposed saying by Hitler: I break my promises and carry out my threats...

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikel

    Even when pushed into a corner and desperately needing the money for Ukraine, the libs and RINO’s are not willing to give an inch.

    Keeping the flow of migrants from the 3rd World is clearly more important to these people than Ukraine. Don’t ask me why, I don’t totally get it, but it is what it is.

    In general, people here in the US don’t care about Ukraine anymore. It’s not even in the news. I don’t think this is healthy. I know it’s very far away but this is a bit similar to people not caring about the Cuban missiles crisis while the issue was still unsolved. Even the lawmakers don’t care much. Both the Dems and a majority of Republicans in both houses would like to continue funding Ukraine but the former find open borders more important and the latter are afraid of falling out of line with the spirit of the moment. Gaetz’s move last fall proved pivotal.

    I’m not sure how good this all is from a security perspective though. Contrary to what I presume you would like, I don’t find the idea of the Russians advancing again very appealing. Apart from the assured carnage if they try to occupy big cities, I think that a victorious Russia could actually become a real threat, after all the humiliations they’ve gone through with much smaller Ukraine making them retreat on multiple fronts and Western weapons proving their superiority. But perhaps more importantly, Western weapons have been used to kill Russian civilians and children. People don’t forget these things. This is something that will stay in many Russians’ minds after Putin’s gone. It’s all just been a very stupid self-fulfilling prophecy but the threat is there now.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...Keeping the flow of migrants from the 3rd World is clearly more important...I don’t totally get it, but it is what it is.
     
    Maybe it's impossible to get it...all civilizations have an unexplainable core behavior or belief that can't be explained and that makes no sense when looked at from the outside. It is often the same core principle that the success of that civilization has been built on - it ends up slowly destroying it.

    The medieval Europe was built on the belief in Christian unity and miracles - it worked for hundreds of years but can't be rationally explained. We are living in the global-liberal civilization - it was built on openness, on free movement, its biggest attraction and strength. Then the world changed - 7 billion people and new easy travel. It no longer makes sense, worse, it is unsustainable. But the core elites can't let go off it, as all declining civilizations they try to double-down on their core beliefs. They even get it on some level, but are paralyzed and unable to act.


    I don’t find the idea of the Russians advancing again very appealing...It’s all just been a very stupid self-fulfilling prophecy but the threat is there now.
     
    Russia directly bordering Central Euro countries is a threat and it doesn't appeal to me. My preference was a neutral, multi-ethnic Ukraine - in other words: a normal Ukraine. But what we like is of no importance, history is driven by what actually happens. Kiev and the West made tragic errors - they did the opposite of what was needed to achieve their goals. There is nothing we can do about it other than manage the consequences.

    Why they did it doesn't matter. To prove motivations is impossible and people will create their own narratives. What matters is what happens on the ground: it is obvious that Russia is stronger in that region - Obama flat out said it in 2014, he was right. The dead-enders will go on with their distracting stories, flip things around, change who wanted what - but at the end it was a stupid plan that failed.

    Russia will not do much more, unlike the West they seem sober and understand that over-reach backfires. But i am not sure, too much blood has been spilled. Blood calls for blood and it never ends....

  516. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    Where do you look for that? Online or do you visit the library in Cali?

     

    Generally online. Hathi Trust, the Internet Archive, Google Books, et cetera are all great places to find old books about World War I (and about a lot of other stuff as well).

    Thanks for pointing him out, didn’t know him (don’t know much about American ones overall). He seems to have some old elite East Coast background.

     

    He supported Jim Crow in the Southern US, which was a state-mandated system of racial segregation. Extremely repulsive! But unfortunately he wasn't the only intellectual in the early 20th century US who actually had such views.

    Actually, some “racists” might be better at geopolitics than most people because they don’t have pink glasses on and are able to be more discerning. Ofc, I don’t have any empirical data to back this up (other than some anecdotal evidence, lol). Some so called “racists” can be intellectually challenged, but some are above average intellectually and then those ones are really good. I hope you’re not out there trying to hunt them down. 🙂

     

    Yes, people who don't have politically correct views could sometimes have a more realistic perception of things than those people who wear politically correct glasses. This can be true for both domestic and foreign policy. Of course, those who don't have politically correct views could sometimes have their own biases as well. For instance, the far-right in the West could have an excessively rosy view of Vladimir Putin's Russia.

    I'm actively seeking out good WWI books, especially contemporary ones, regardless of whether or not they were written by people who would be considered racists--or, for that matter, cranks--today. I just want the books themselves to be good and accurate.

    Did you know that in preparation for the eventual post-WWI peace settlement, Britain's Foreign Office's Historical Section created books for every territory that could potentially become a point of dispute or contention in the post-WWI peace settlement?

    https://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/lookupname?key=Great%20Britain%2E%20Foreign%20Office%2E%20Historical%20Section

    Here is the specific book that they made for your own country plus Estonia:

    https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=njp.32101073335539&seq=7

    Also, did you know that the United States government commissioned a group of academics/experts to provide official US recommendations for the post-WWI peace settlement?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Inquiry

    This is the start of their recommendations:

    https://archive.org/details/MyDiaryAtConferenceOfParis-Vol4/page/n223/mode/2up

    They continue onwards for several dozen pages and cover all of the territories that were disputed in WWI.

    As a side note, I deeply, deeply regret that someone didn't kill Lenin back in Switzerland sometime before 1917 (similar to how, say, Jean Jaures was killed back in 1914, except he, unlike Lenin, didn't actually deserve to be killed). Lenin's and the Bolsheviks' rise to power in Russia was the worst possible thing to happen during the 20th century, much worse than even WWI itself. It condemned hundreds of millions of people in Greater Russia to decades of unspeakable misery and suffering and destroyed Russia's 20th century demographic and economic potential.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    As a side note, I deeply, deeply regret that someone didn’t kill Lenin back in Switzerland sometime before 1917 (similar to how, say, Jean Jaures was killed back in 1914, except he, unlike Lenin, didn’t actually deserve to be killed). Lenin’s and the Bolsheviks’ rise to power in Russia was the worst possible thing to happen during the 20th century, much worse than even WWI itself. It condemned hundreds of millions of people in Greater Russia to decades of unspeakable misery and suffering and destroyed Russia’s 20th century demographic and economic potential.

    Here’s a fun alternate history idea: Future based Ukrainians develop a drone that can travel through the time-space continuum backwards in time and manages to kill Lenin back in 1916, thus securing a much better 20th century in a parallel universe for Ukrainians, Russians, et cetera.

    • LOL: John Johnson
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    Really, the current Russo-Ukrainian War strikes me as a giant East Slavic civil war, similar to the US's own civil war, except this time with the weaker party being more morally virtuous and actually having its independence be universally recognized.

    Eastern Slavs, while they might have never actually intended to become such, have probably become quite a martial people as a result of everything that happened to them over the last 110 years. If only they could actually convert their martial spirits into encouraging their own women to breed much more.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  517. Did you have a Biden moment when you typed all that? It doesn’t follow from anything I said and is incoherent as hell.

    I was being facetious.

    Maybe that didn’t translate well to your ESL abilities.

    Here is what Trump fans told me in 2020:
    And yet some of you think Trump could lose in the election just because of some polls. Clearly you have been falling for MSM propaganda.

    I was told that Trump would definitely win and that the polls were propaganda. You can actually dig into my history and view those comments from Trump Tribe. They were certain that their emotional desires would reign supreme over data showing a decline in independents.

    Some people are just a tad emotionally attached to a silver spoon born reality TV star who bragged to a magazine about cheating on his wife. It’s almost as if investing yourself emotionally into such a high character person might lead to disappointment.

    Why does Trump attract so many nutcase televangelists? Are they just looking for a tax break? Pools of sleeze swell together?

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    Here is what Trump fans told me in 2020:
     
    So not only are you incapable of figuring out how to use the Reply and Blockquote buttons that our host has conveniently put at our disposal for a tidier commenting space. You are also unaware of what quotation marks are for.

    And it looks like you are confusing me with A123 lol, what a gem.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    These preachers remind me of kremlinstoogeA123.

    https://twitter.com/JournalistJG/status/1747364757613727890

  518. @Yevardian
    @Mikel

    I added to my ignore list after his first couple of posts. Unlike Laxa or A123 you're not even going to get humour out him, assuming a real person's even behind it, seems like a very dour character.

    Thanks for the Pío Baroja recommendation btw. Far more enjoyable than better known authors like Borges, always felt with him that once his novelty-value quickly wore off, there's nothing of substance there.

    Why don't you update us on Milei's crusade? Been a while since it came up here, Since Dmitry's absence it's just Russians and East-Euros snapping at each other again.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Why don’t you update us on Milei’s crusade?

    I’m actually having quite a lot of fun watching (from a safe distance) that crusade play out. Inflation is still out of control (latest figure I’ve seen is 250% per year) and that may provoke his downfall if he doesn’t manage to control it but a part of this increase may be intentional, in order to dilute the debts of the Central Bank.

    Instead of going for an immediate closure of the Central Bank, as some thought he might do, he’s gone for a more pragmatic approach of sanitizing its balance first. Otherwise, many creditors in Argentina would have lost a lot of money and the banking sector could have imploded. But he managed to convert a huge amount of very short debt that he inherited into longer term debt at a rate that is now well below inflation so it will be much easier to repay when it’s due. He had to compromise on some of his campaign promises anyway, because he has very little support in the parliament, being the leader of a very recent movement. His Minister of Economy Caputo, who had already served in a previous administration, is the architect of much of his economic policy. So no radical changes so far.

    On the other hand, he’s managed to implement quite an impressive number of legal and regulatory reforms that may change Argentina in a very radical way as time goes on. They all go in the direction of liberalizing one of the most regulated countries of the world. I think he’s done quite a good job overall so far and I see many Argentinian opinion leaders and media personalities supporting the general direction he’s taking. I guess Argentina must have been in a desperate position for such a radical change to take place but I wasn’t following until the Milei phenomenon cropped up.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Mikel

    Argentina is the toughest country in South America to mine, he has liberalised some of the mining laws, but if he can, and there are limits to his powers, get a few long stalled mining projects started then that would generate a lot of tax and export revenues. Otherwise reforms always take time.

  519. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ


    As a side note, I deeply, deeply regret that someone didn’t kill Lenin back in Switzerland sometime before 1917 (similar to how, say, Jean Jaures was killed back in 1914, except he, unlike Lenin, didn’t actually deserve to be killed). Lenin’s and the Bolsheviks’ rise to power in Russia was the worst possible thing to happen during the 20th century, much worse than even WWI itself. It condemned hundreds of millions of people in Greater Russia to decades of unspeakable misery and suffering and destroyed Russia’s 20th century demographic and economic potential.

     

    Here's a fun alternate history idea: Future based Ukrainians develop a drone that can travel through the time-space continuum backwards in time and manages to kill Lenin back in 1916, thus securing a much better 20th century in a parallel universe for Ukrainians, Russians, et cetera.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Really, the current Russo-Ukrainian War strikes me as a giant East Slavic civil war, similar to the US’s own civil war, except this time with the weaker party being more morally virtuous and actually having its independence be universally recognized.

    Eastern Slavs, while they might have never actually intended to become such, have probably become quite a martial people as a result of everything that happened to them over the last 110 years. If only they could actually convert their martial spirits into encouraging their own women to breed much more.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    Then again, the North Koreans are quite a martial people as well and yet their fertility is now in the doldrums:

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/north-korea-fertility-rate-plummets-estimated-1-38-south-korean-officials-claim

    Only the Israelis can do something right in regards to this, and over there, some of the people who are doing the large reproducing have what can be described as a significant tolerance problem.

  520. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    Really, the current Russo-Ukrainian War strikes me as a giant East Slavic civil war, similar to the US's own civil war, except this time with the weaker party being more morally virtuous and actually having its independence be universally recognized.

    Eastern Slavs, while they might have never actually intended to become such, have probably become quite a martial people as a result of everything that happened to them over the last 110 years. If only they could actually convert their martial spirits into encouraging their own women to breed much more.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Then again, the North Koreans are quite a martial people as well and yet their fertility is now in the doldrums:

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/north-korea-fertility-rate-plummets-estimated-1-38-south-korean-officials-claim

    Only the Israelis can do something right in regards to this, and over there, some of the people who are doing the large reproducing have what can be described as a significant tolerance problem.

  521. @AP
    @Yevardian

    Romania denounced certain Soviet actions and did not allow Soviet troops on its soil, but did it formally leave the Warsaw Pact?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    AFAIK, No, it did not. Rather, it remained a part of the Warsaw Pact until it was dissolved in 1991. I suspect that the reason for this is the risk of a Soviet-sponsored regime change had they actually tried leaving the Warsaw Pact. This risk was real enough in the late 1960s, as evidenced by the USSR’s military response to the Prague Spring, though I wonder if it wasn’t exaggerated by the early 1980s, when the USSR refused to send its own troops to help the Polish Communist government crush the Solidarity movement in Poland.

  522. @LatW
    Tucker went to Moscow. :) He must really be enjoying all that attention there.

    Probably working on another Trump - Putin collusion behind the scenes. :)
    This time maybe for real.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Well no (non-Russian) music star is going to perform a concert in Riga, no (non-Russian) film star is going to promote a film in Riga, no (non-Russian) sports star has any wish to play in Riga……so why should a journalist star be different?!!

    For sure, Riga could attract with a 2* hotel stay, some prick like Sentsov (lunatic ukrop film director, whose films not a single person on earth appears to have watched) but not many others

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Gerard1234


    Well no (non-Russian) music star is going to perform a concert in Riga
     
    Countless A listers have performed in Lil' Riga, but of course you wouldn't know that. It's not that you lie (you do that at other times), you're simply not aware what goes on there. And of course I wouldn't want Tucker or any other MAGAtards, including the congressional ones, visiting there.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  523. @John Johnson
    Did you have a Biden moment when you typed all that? It doesn’t follow from anything I said and is incoherent as hell.

    I was being facetious.

    Maybe that didn't translate well to your ESL abilities.

    Here is what Trump fans told me in 2020:
    And yet some of you think Trump could lose in the election just because of some polls. Clearly you have been falling for MSM propaganda.

    I was told that Trump would definitely win and that the polls were propaganda. You can actually dig into my history and view those comments from Trump Tribe. They were certain that their emotional desires would reign supreme over data showing a decline in independents.

    Some people are just a tad emotionally attached to a silver spoon born reality TV star who bragged to a magazine about cheating on his wife. It's almost as if investing yourself emotionally into such a high character person might lead to disappointment.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yoffm4OIn-4

    Why does Trump attract so many nutcase televangelists? Are they just looking for a tax break? Pools of sleeze swell together?

    Replies: @Mikel, @Mr. Hack

    Here is what Trump fans told me in 2020:

    So not only are you incapable of figuring out how to use the Reply and Blockquote buttons that our host has conveniently put at our disposal for a tidier commenting space. You are also unaware of what quotation marks are for.

    And it looks like you are confusing me with A123 lol, what a gem.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    So not only are you incapable of figuring out how to use the Reply and Blockquote buttons that our host has conveniently put at our disposal for a tidier commenting space. You are also unaware of what quotation marks are for.

    It wasn't a comment that required quotes as I was being facetious and paraphrasing what was told to me in the last election by similarly motivated Trump fans.

    And it looks like you are confusing me with A123 lol, what a gem.

    I was originally replying to you and your stated belief that voting for a RINO (Haley) is worse than abstaining.

    The confidence you and A123 have in Trump is amusing since Trump Tribe had the same confidence in the last election when I pointed out problems with his numbers.

    Why are you so certain that your confidence is well placed in his comeback run when his approval rating with independents is lower than in 2020?

    I just don't get the arrogance and condescension. We went through that with Trump Tribe in the last election and they were flat out wrong. I don't see why it is so hard to simply have a favorite and not be so emotionally attached. You seem agitated by someone merely supporting Haley even though she is down against Trump and the primary just started. Why do you care if you are certain that Trump will win?

    I think the most likely explanation is that you and A123 suffer from cognitive dissonance. You're not fully facing his legal predicament which is that he could be removed from the race entirely over committing multiple felonies. You've gone into this high school cheerleader rally mode instead of facing that there is an unwanted possible outcome that is beyond your control. Admitting this isn't the end of the world. You may even feel better.

  524. @Gerard1234
    @LatW

    Well no (non-Russian) music star is going to perform a concert in Riga, no (non-Russian) film star is going to promote a film in Riga, no (non-Russian) sports star has any wish to play in Riga......so why should a journalist star be different?!!

    For sure, Riga could attract with a 2* hotel stay, some prick like Sentsov (lunatic ukrop film director, whose films not a single person on earth appears to have watched) but not many others

    Replies: @LatW

    Well no (non-Russian) music star is going to perform a concert in Riga

    Countless A listers have performed in Lil’ Riga, but of course you wouldn’t know that. It’s not that you lie (you do that at other times), you’re simply not aware what goes on there. And of course I wouldn’t want Tucker or any other MAGAtards, including the congressional ones, visiting there.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @LatW

    Hi LatWakjob! Please link me ONE video of a top American film star appearing on Latvian television chatshow to promote release of film in Latvia.

    That scumbag Van Damme doesn't qualify.

    Latvian or Estonian retards dressed as Elvis, singing in a bar in Riga do not classify as "countless A-listers"

    I always thought that as soon as Vladivostok or Khabarovsk become regular part of world-famous performers far-east music tours (Japan, South Korea & Aus, NZ) - then Russia must have fully completed our development as a nation

    Replies: @LatW

  525. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Gerard1234

    Taras Bulba was fake?

    Please tell me you were joking.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Sorry but I don’t know if you are joking, ironic or serious here?

    But yes he is not real – certainly if he was real it would be a greater surprise to me than discovering the earth is actually flat

  526. When I watched Baahubali 2, it transpired that I was watching the Hindi version.

    Don’t know if I am just crazy, or my ears were playing tricks on me, but I swear I was picking up on a few PIE words.

    For example, I heard some verb that sounded very close to me to either the Spanish word morir or matar, I forget which. But it was almost to me like I had heard a Spanish word.

  527. @LatW
    @Gerard1234


    Well no (non-Russian) music star is going to perform a concert in Riga
     
    Countless A listers have performed in Lil' Riga, but of course you wouldn't know that. It's not that you lie (you do that at other times), you're simply not aware what goes on there. And of course I wouldn't want Tucker or any other MAGAtards, including the congressional ones, visiting there.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Hi LatWakjob! Please link me ONE video of a top American film star appearing on Latvian television chatshow to promote release of film in Latvia.

    That scumbag Van Damme doesn’t qualify.

    Latvian or Estonian retards dressed as Elvis, singing in a bar in Riga do not classify as “countless A-listers”

    I always thought that as soon as Vladivostok or Khabarovsk become regular part of world-famous performers far-east music tours (Japan, South Korea & Aus, NZ) – then Russia must have fully completed our development as a nation

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Gerard1234

    Look, I don't need to prove anything to you - partly because, unlike you, I don't consider "a top American film star" appearing anywhere as some kind of a sign of status or quality. No offense. LOL It may or may not be cool or fun, but, for me, not the most important characteristic of what makes a city great. Celebrities tour a lot of places, so it's not even such a big deal.

    John Malkovich sometimes produces in Riga.

    I've enjoyed the Lisa Gerrard show at the National Opera, because her voice really complemented the elegant interior and I was sitting rather close to her.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  528. @Gerard1234
    @LatW

    Hi LatWakjob! Please link me ONE video of a top American film star appearing on Latvian television chatshow to promote release of film in Latvia.

    That scumbag Van Damme doesn't qualify.

    Latvian or Estonian retards dressed as Elvis, singing in a bar in Riga do not classify as "countless A-listers"

    I always thought that as soon as Vladivostok or Khabarovsk become regular part of world-famous performers far-east music tours (Japan, South Korea & Aus, NZ) - then Russia must have fully completed our development as a nation

    Replies: @LatW

    Look, I don’t need to prove anything to you – partly because, unlike you, I don’t consider “a top American film star” appearing anywhere as some kind of a sign of status or quality. No offense. LOL It may or may not be cool or fun, but, for me, not the most important characteristic of what makes a city great. Celebrities tour a lot of places, so it’s not even such a big deal.

    John Malkovich sometimes produces in Riga.

    I’ve enjoyed the Lisa Gerrard show at the National Opera, because her voice really complemented the elegant interior and I was sitting rather close to her.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @LatW

    Well I don't think some music star, whose music I dont like and is a total degenerate, performing a concert should in principle be a sign of the status and quality of a city......... but in practise it is. It's an indirect indicator, a map of who the first world countries, maybe the rapidly emerging economies are....... and the rest of the world.

    If some major band tours Seoul, Vladivostok then Tokyo in 3 days , it could only be a positive sign of Far East District development plans over the years.

    Riga at least does have high level ATP & WTA tennis competitions...... which is more than can say about abject disaster of Banderastan for the last 30 years for Kiev or anywhere else.

    Replies: @LatW

  529. @LatW
    @Gerard1234

    Look, I don't need to prove anything to you - partly because, unlike you, I don't consider "a top American film star" appearing anywhere as some kind of a sign of status or quality. No offense. LOL It may or may not be cool or fun, but, for me, not the most important characteristic of what makes a city great. Celebrities tour a lot of places, so it's not even such a big deal.

    John Malkovich sometimes produces in Riga.

    I've enjoyed the Lisa Gerrard show at the National Opera, because her voice really complemented the elegant interior and I was sitting rather close to her.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Well I don’t think some music star, whose music I dont like and is a total degenerate, performing a concert should in principle be a sign of the status and quality of a city……… but in practise it is. It’s an indirect indicator, a map of who the first world countries, maybe the rapidly emerging economies are……. and the rest of the world.

    If some major band tours Seoul, Vladivostok then Tokyo in 3 days , it could only be a positive sign of Far East District development plans over the years.

    Riga at least does have high level ATP & WTA tennis competitions…… which is more than can say about abject disaster of Banderastan for the last 30 years for Kiev or anywhere else.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Gerard1234


    Well I don’t think some music star, whose music I dont like and is a total degenerate, performing a concert should in principle be a sign of the status and quality of a city……… but in practise it is. It’s an indirect indicator, a map of who the first world countries, maybe the rapidly emerging economies are……. and the rest of the world.
     
    Right, but these days that also comes with all kinds of negatives which I would actually prefer to avoid. I would propose alternative big city cultural development.

    Yea, no, countless celebrities have performed in Riga, current ones too, not just has beens. Some notable lecturers as well. I'm more competitive about other things such as architecture, health standards, (non-degenerate) art, business environment, transparency, egalitarian access to high level services, etc. I care more about what the city does for the local population, the local culture, not status (although that can be lucrative and transfer to wealth). The wealthier and those with better living standards often live outside the city.


    Riga at least does have high level ATP & WTA tennis competitions
     
    There is a European level beach volley championship as well (it's a real sport, believe it or not). There is a tennis hub in Jurmala (with old traditions, my sister practiced there, too, with a famous coach). Did you know that Yeltsin played there, too?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  530. @Yevardian
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    If you did not read Ron Unz’s khazar/haplogroup post you missed one that is definitely better than the rest of the internet
     
    That theory has been doing the rounds for close to 100 years. I highly, highly doubt Khazars contributed a thing to Ashkenazi genetics, but if they did, I honestly don't really care a damn, it doesn't change a thing to me. Unz now seems to be doing regular interviews with Shiite-convert vax-genocide Mike Whitney over the totally unique evil of Israel's determination to win a decisive victory in a zero-sum race war. It really is striking how many people eventually completely lose their minds when they take an interest in Jews, one doesn't have to be any kind of philosemite to notice this.

    Re Claudius, the alt-history trannyposter strikes me more of a delusional Nero figure.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Did you not read Ron Unz’s article? He isn’t promoting the Khazaria theory. He thinks it’s Phoenecia. It is pretty astonishing and reminds me of a once-famous book by Garry Wills, Nixon Agonistes: The Crisis of the Self-Made Man. What do you call a man who believes the Lee Harvey Oswald lone gunman story for 47 years and then all of a sudden gets an epiphany?

    Did you ever get around to reading Bronze Age Pervert’s Selective Breeding book?

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Did you not read Ron Unz’s article? He isn’t promoting the Khazaria theory. He thinks it’s Phoenecia. It is pretty astonishing
     
    Oh I saw Unz discussing that in his comments a couple months ago, as he mentioned there, that theory has been in popular discussion since at least H.G. Well's "History of the World" was published. The idea probably dates earlier than that, but I've never followed the period between post-exilic to Jewish pre-Zionist history at all closely. Seems extremely plausible though, of course the Phoenicians, Canaanites, Hebrews all spoke nearly identical languages. I remember in my freshman year doing a presentation on the Mesha stele, the main primary source we have for the Moabite language.

    Did you ever get around to reading Bronze Age Pervert’s Selective Breeding book?
     
    I read through a few of the early chapters a couple of months ago, but life and other books got in the way. I've never liked Plato very much, haven't read Strauss and have little interest in doing so, and only began reading Nietzsche for the first time this year, so it seemed a bit pointless to read a thesis about primary sources I'm barely familiar with for the most part.

    I did start listening to BAP's radioshow at the end last year when I had to do a lot of driving though. Surprising how many of my own opinions coincide with his, even though I'd only very vaguely heard of him before. Refreshing to hear someone on the right who isn't a poe-faced moralist, incel-adjacent misery-monger or obsessed with Jews.

  531. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    Here is what Trump fans told me in 2020:
     
    So not only are you incapable of figuring out how to use the Reply and Blockquote buttons that our host has conveniently put at our disposal for a tidier commenting space. You are also unaware of what quotation marks are for.

    And it looks like you are confusing me with A123 lol, what a gem.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    So not only are you incapable of figuring out how to use the Reply and Blockquote buttons that our host has conveniently put at our disposal for a tidier commenting space. You are also unaware of what quotation marks are for.

    It wasn’t a comment that required quotes as I was being facetious and paraphrasing what was told to me in the last election by similarly motivated Trump fans.

    And it looks like you are confusing me with A123 lol, what a gem.

    I was originally replying to you and your stated belief that voting for a RINO (Haley) is worse than abstaining.

    The confidence you and A123 have in Trump is amusing since Trump Tribe had the same confidence in the last election when I pointed out problems with his numbers.

    Why are you so certain that your confidence is well placed in his comeback run when his approval rating with independents is lower than in 2020?

    I just don’t get the arrogance and condescension. We went through that with Trump Tribe in the last election and they were flat out wrong. I don’t see why it is so hard to simply have a favorite and not be so emotionally attached. You seem agitated by someone merely supporting Haley even though she is down against Trump and the primary just started. Why do you care if you are certain that Trump will win?

    I think the most likely explanation is that you and A123 suffer from cognitive dissonance. You’re not fully facing his legal predicament which is that he could be removed from the race entirely over committing multiple felonies. You’ve gone into this high school cheerleader rally mode instead of facing that there is an unwanted possible outcome that is beyond your control. Admitting this isn’t the end of the world. You may even feel better.

  532. @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    Well, first of all, the Baltic Germans are a kind of a composite nationality, if one may say so, or rather a cultural group, because over the years they assimilated many other Western and Northern European nationalities as well as the locals. So it is above all a culture than a race or an ethnicity. Second, there were also Germans who cultivated their own land. Not every German was a baron as those were rare.

     

    Yes, there were Baltic German farmers. However, I don't know just how widespread they were.

    Did you know that they were not sent to Germany right away but first to Prussia? Wartheland.
     
    Yes, I know. They were resettled in western Poland after Hitler conquered it in the hopes of Germanizing western Poland, only to be forced to flee westwards once more in 1944-1945 once Germany began losing WWII and the fighting on the Eastern Front reached their own new western Polish homes.

    Hitler had a whole Heim ins Reich policy for groups like the Baltic Germans:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heim_ins_Reich

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Die_%27gro%C3%9Fz%C3%BCgigste_Umsiedlungsaktion%27_with_Poland_superimposed%2C_1939.jpg

    Outside of the German Reich, it was very cold, but within the German Reich, there was automatic warmth (for them specifically). Similar to what Russians in Crimea experienced before vs. after their incorporation into the Russian Reich in 2014.


    Well, how many would that be? Kurland was never densely populated (thanks to everything we’ve been through over the ages). However, I am very eco conscious so I’d prefer those areas to be conserved, but even in that case, there is more than enough space to be cultivated sustainably. But without joking – of course, I wouldn’t be happy with it, my preference would’ve been to return ALL of the Kurland refugees from Russia, but also to settle more Germans there. I really love the Curonian spit and those settlements there (I love the Balto-Germanic fusion there). This is in hindsight, looking at it from 2024. Obviously, at that time it would not have been politically and military feasible.
     
    Why wouldn't resettling the Courland refugees back in the Courland after a German WWI victory not be politically and militarily feasible? Due to the risk of some of them being pro-Russian fifth columnists?

    And FWIW, I wasn't only thinking about resettling the Volga Germans in Courland, but also in Livonia and Estonia, where there is much more extra space, no?


    You “flirt” about a lot of Eastern Euro population re-settlements, do you want to flirt about Jews, too? 🙂 Just kidding.

     

    Well, I think that Stalin made a huge mistake in retrospect by not deporting all of the Kresy Jews, or at least as many of them as possible, into the Soviet interior before the start of Operation Barbarossa, since that was the only realistic way to save the lives of most of them after the 1940 Fall of France. Stalin should have, of course, also offered to accept all of the Polish Jews from Hitler in 1939-1941 and to subsequently deport them to the Soviet interior, thus again ironically saving most of their lives from the impending Holocaust.

    I also think that the mass migration of Jews and Jewish-descended people from Eastern Europe to Israel has been very beneficial for Israel and I strongly hope that it will continue. I'm very glad that the far-right Jewish jackasses who talked about repealing the Grandchild Clause of Israel's Law of Return have mostly shut up about this after Hamas's extremely brutal October 7 terrorist attack on Israel. Grandchild Clause immigrants are actually very productive and very assimilated in Israel:

    https://www.calcalist.co.il/local_news/article/sjpvbcika

    FWIW, such immigrants are only non-Jewish in a very technical sense. The Israeli Chief Rabbinate doesn't consider them to be Jewish because their Jewish ancestry is on the wrong branch of their family tree. But they nevertheless overwhelmingly identify themselves as Jewish, at least while they live in Israel.

    Replies: @LatW

    Yes, there were Baltic German farmers. However, I don’t know just how widespread they were.

    One would have to look at every person / family history separately. Btw, in the beginning, when the Crusader Knights came and after considerable fighting (and all kinds of allying), they didn’t totally subjugate everyone right away, there were sons of local chieftains that became vassals controlling their fathers’ lands.

    Outside of the German Reich, it was very cold, but within the German Reich, there was automatic warmth (for them specifically).

    Where did you hear or read this?

    They differ from real Germans (in mentality, speech, culture, their motto was In Treuen fest – Firm in loyalty… it sounds so beautifully sad today). When the German population fled Prussia, some of the Ancient Prussian individuals (and their genetics obviously) were also wrongfully banished from their ancestral home, because they were assimilated into Germans. I have spoken with a few who moved to the US.

    Why wouldn’t resettling the Courland refugees back in the Courland after a German WWI victory not be politically and militarily feasible?

    Because they had recently fought. And the Germans were planning to re-colonize quite extensively (at our expense). But these sentiments come and go, co-habitation is possible.

    Due to the risk of some of them being pro-Russian fifth columnists?

    Not at all, Kurland is their homeland. But the ones who remained in Russia were treated that way later and shot in large numbers (in the 1930s).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW


    Where did you hear or read this?

     

    I meant cold and warm in a figurative sense here. Maybe I was wrong about them in particular, but throughout history, for a lot of people, ending up within their ethnic homeland did bring a lot of joy: Saarland 1935, Austria and the Sudetenland 1938, Danzig 1939, Trentino and Transylvania 1918, northern Schleswig 1920, ex-USSR Jews and people of Jewish descent moving to Israel in the 1970s and beyond, et cetera.
  533. @Gerard1234
    @LatW

    Well I don't think some music star, whose music I dont like and is a total degenerate, performing a concert should in principle be a sign of the status and quality of a city......... but in practise it is. It's an indirect indicator, a map of who the first world countries, maybe the rapidly emerging economies are....... and the rest of the world.

    If some major band tours Seoul, Vladivostok then Tokyo in 3 days , it could only be a positive sign of Far East District development plans over the years.

    Riga at least does have high level ATP & WTA tennis competitions...... which is more than can say about abject disaster of Banderastan for the last 30 years for Kiev or anywhere else.

    Replies: @LatW

    Well I don’t think some music star, whose music I dont like and is a total degenerate, performing a concert should in principle be a sign of the status and quality of a city……… but in practise it is. It’s an indirect indicator, a map of who the first world countries, maybe the rapidly emerging economies are……. and the rest of the world.

    Right, but these days that also comes with all kinds of negatives which I would actually prefer to avoid. I would propose alternative big city cultural development.

    Yea, no, countless celebrities have performed in Riga, current ones too, not just has beens. Some notable lecturers as well. I’m more competitive about other things such as architecture, health standards, (non-degenerate) art, business environment, transparency, egalitarian access to high level services, etc. I care more about what the city does for the local population, the local culture, not status (although that can be lucrative and transfer to wealth). The wealthier and those with better living standards often live outside the city.

    Riga at least does have high level ATP & WTA tennis competitions

    There is a European level beach volley championship as well (it’s a real sport, believe it or not). There is a tennis hub in Jurmala (with old traditions, my sister practiced there, too, with a famous coach). Did you know that Yeltsin played there, too?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    You forgot the potatoes.

    Replies: @LatW

  534. @LatW
    @Gerard1234


    Well I don’t think some music star, whose music I dont like and is a total degenerate, performing a concert should in principle be a sign of the status and quality of a city……… but in practise it is. It’s an indirect indicator, a map of who the first world countries, maybe the rapidly emerging economies are……. and the rest of the world.
     
    Right, but these days that also comes with all kinds of negatives which I would actually prefer to avoid. I would propose alternative big city cultural development.

    Yea, no, countless celebrities have performed in Riga, current ones too, not just has beens. Some notable lecturers as well. I'm more competitive about other things such as architecture, health standards, (non-degenerate) art, business environment, transparency, egalitarian access to high level services, etc. I care more about what the city does for the local population, the local culture, not status (although that can be lucrative and transfer to wealth). The wealthier and those with better living standards often live outside the city.


    Riga at least does have high level ATP & WTA tennis competitions
     
    There is a European level beach volley championship as well (it's a real sport, believe it or not). There is a tennis hub in Jurmala (with old traditions, my sister practiced there, too, with a famous coach). Did you know that Yeltsin played there, too?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    You forgot the potatoes.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The potatoes, yes, are plenty (along with sour cream), but no raccoon fur coats. All that could easily change. The price tag is what they call "democratic". :)

  535. @LatW
    @Mr. XYZ


    Yes, there were Baltic German farmers. However, I don’t know just how widespread they were.
     
    One would have to look at every person / family history separately. Btw, in the beginning, when the Crusader Knights came and after considerable fighting (and all kinds of allying), they didn't totally subjugate everyone right away, there were sons of local chieftains that became vassals controlling their fathers' lands.

    Outside of the German Reich, it was very cold, but within the German Reich, there was automatic warmth (for them specifically).
     
    Where did you hear or read this?

    They differ from real Germans (in mentality, speech, culture, their motto was In Treuen fest - Firm in loyalty... it sounds so beautifully sad today). When the German population fled Prussia, some of the Ancient Prussian individuals (and their genetics obviously) were also wrongfully banished from their ancestral home, because they were assimilated into Germans. I have spoken with a few who moved to the US.

    Why wouldn’t resettling the Courland refugees back in the Courland after a German WWI victory not be politically and militarily feasible?
     
    Because they had recently fought. And the Germans were planning to re-colonize quite extensively (at our expense). But these sentiments come and go, co-habitation is possible.

    Due to the risk of some of them being pro-Russian fifth columnists?
     
    Not at all, Kurland is their homeland. But the ones who remained in Russia were treated that way later and shot in large numbers (in the 1930s).

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Where did you hear or read this?

    I meant cold and warm in a figurative sense here. Maybe I was wrong about them in particular, but throughout history, for a lot of people, ending up within their ethnic homeland did bring a lot of joy: Saarland 1935, Austria and the Sudetenland 1938, Danzig 1939, Trentino and Transylvania 1918, northern Schleswig 1920, ex-USSR Jews and people of Jewish descent moving to Israel in the 1970s and beyond, et cetera.

  536. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    You forgot the potatoes.

    Replies: @LatW

    The potatoes, yes, are plenty (along with sour cream), but no raccoon fur coats. All that could easily change. The price tag is what they call “democratic”. 🙂

  537. @Mikel
    @Beckow


    Even when pushed into a corner and desperately needing the money for Ukraine, the libs and RINO’s are not willing to give an inch.
     
    Keeping the flow of migrants from the 3rd World is clearly more important to these people than Ukraine. Don't ask me why, I don't totally get it, but it is what it is.

    In general, people here in the US don't care about Ukraine anymore. It's not even in the news. I don't think this is healthy. I know it's very far away but this is a bit similar to people not caring about the Cuban missiles crisis while the issue was still unsolved. Even the lawmakers don't care much. Both the Dems and a majority of Republicans in both houses would like to continue funding Ukraine but the former find open borders more important and the latter are afraid of falling out of line with the spirit of the moment. Gaetz's move last fall proved pivotal.

    I'm not sure how good this all is from a security perspective though. Contrary to what I presume you would like, I don't find the idea of the Russians advancing again very appealing. Apart from the assured carnage if they try to occupy big cities, I think that a victorious Russia could actually become a real threat, after all the humiliations they've gone through with much smaller Ukraine making them retreat on multiple fronts and Western weapons proving their superiority. But perhaps more importantly, Western weapons have been used to kill Russian civilians and children. People don't forget these things. This is something that will stay in many Russians' minds after Putin's gone. It's all just been a very stupid self-fulfilling prophecy but the threat is there now.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Keeping the flow of migrants from the 3rd World is clearly more important…I don’t totally get it, but it is what it is.

    Maybe it’s impossible to get it…all civilizations have an unexplainable core behavior or belief that can’t be explained and that makes no sense when looked at from the outside. It is often the same core principle that the success of that civilization has been built on – it ends up slowly destroying it.

    The medieval Europe was built on the belief in Christian unity and miracles – it worked for hundreds of years but can’t be rationally explained. We are living in the global-liberal civilization – it was built on openness, on free movement, its biggest attraction and strength. Then the world changed – 7 billion people and new easy travel. It no longer makes sense, worse, it is unsustainable. But the core elites can’t let go off it, as all declining civilizations they try to double-down on their core beliefs. They even get it on some level, but are paralyzed and unable to act.

    I don’t find the idea of the Russians advancing again very appealing…It’s all just been a very stupid self-fulfilling prophecy but the threat is there now.

    Russia directly bordering Central Euro countries is a threat and it doesn’t appeal to me. My preference was a neutral, multi-ethnic Ukraine – in other words: a normal Ukraine. But what we like is of no importance, history is driven by what actually happens. Kiev and the West made tragic errors – they did the opposite of what was needed to achieve their goals. There is nothing we can do about it other than manage the consequences.

    Why they did it doesn’t matter. To prove motivations is impossible and people will create their own narratives. What matters is what happens on the ground: it is obvious that Russia is stronger in that region – Obama flat out said it in 2014, he was right. The dead-enders will go on with their distracting stories, flip things around, change who wanted what – but at the end it was a stupid plan that failed.

    Russia will not do much more, unlike the West they seem sober and understand that over-reach backfires. But i am not sure, too much blood has been spilled. Blood calls for blood and it never ends….

  538. @Mikel
    @Yevardian


    Why don’t you update us on Milei’s crusade?
     
    I'm actually having quite a lot of fun watching (from a safe distance) that crusade play out. Inflation is still out of control (latest figure I've seen is 250% per year) and that may provoke his downfall if he doesn't manage to control it but a part of this increase may be intentional, in order to dilute the debts of the Central Bank.

    Instead of going for an immediate closure of the Central Bank, as some thought he might do, he's gone for a more pragmatic approach of sanitizing its balance first. Otherwise, many creditors in Argentina would have lost a lot of money and the banking sector could have imploded. But he managed to convert a huge amount of very short debt that he inherited into longer term debt at a rate that is now well below inflation so it will be much easier to repay when it's due. He had to compromise on some of his campaign promises anyway, because he has very little support in the parliament, being the leader of a very recent movement. His Minister of Economy Caputo, who had already served in a previous administration, is the architect of much of his economic policy. So no radical changes so far.

    On the other hand, he's managed to implement quite an impressive number of legal and regulatory reforms that may change Argentina in a very radical way as time goes on. They all go in the direction of liberalizing one of the most regulated countries of the world. I think he's done quite a good job overall so far and I see many Argentinian opinion leaders and media personalities supporting the general direction he's taking. I guess Argentina must have been in a desperate position for such a radical change to take place but I wasn't following until the Milei phenomenon cropped up.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Argentina is the toughest country in South America to mine, he has liberalised some of the mining laws, but if he can, and there are limits to his powers, get a few long stalled mining projects started then that would generate a lot of tax and export revenues. Otherwise reforms always take time.

  539. The Tucker Carlson interview is causing hysteria because the media goes to great measures to ensure you never hear Putin speak for himself, all interviews and speeches are suppressed, otherwise his intelligence and reasonableness would provide an unpleasant contrast with our ‘leaders’.

  540. I predict Western MSM will completely lose interest in the war as it becomes clear that Russia is inexorably grinding the Ukrainians down. The commenters here who used to go on about it have switched to discussing Trump. I suppose the Russian victory will be blamed on Trump even if he is years into a prison term by that time.

    • LOL: QCIC
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Sean

    I suppose the Russian victory will be blamed on Trump even if he is years into a prison term by that time.

    What exactly do you expect that victory to look like? Taking Odessa? Marching on Kiev? Putin started this war by declaring that the goal was to stop the Eastward expansion of NATO. Well that failed so what is your metric?

    You do realize that both MacGregor and Ritter were certain that the war would be over by now? They have been wrong no less than a dozen times about Ukraine being near collapse. Ritter at least stopped talking about it and made a bunch of declarations on how the IDF would be defeated in Gaza. So he at least chose to be wrong about something else.

    Russia has a lot of men but Ukraine is building 1 million drones:
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2413260-what-does-ukraines-million-drone-army-mean-for-the-future-of-war/

    Can Russia continue to send in half-suicidal dregs to get their heads blown off by drones?

    I really don't know. My guess is that Russia will take Avidiika and then Putin will hint that he wants the war to end with current lines. Odessa is not a Russian city nor was there ever a separatist movement. The Russian speakers voted for Zelensky and not the pro-Russian parties. Trying to take a hostile port city would be a bloody mess. Putin's fans want him to take Odessa and lock down the Black Sea but bloggers aren't the ones getting their heads blown off by $250 drones.

    Trying to take hostile cities of any type with a conscript army is a very bad idea. Especially if they are half-drunk and demoralized. You need professional troops for such a task. I really don't see Putin trying to pull a Gallipoli with half-drunk dregs and conscripted Asians but he has done much dumber things like sending a slow moving 40 mile column through hostile woods.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean

  541. https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/russias-adaptation-advantage

    Ukraine still has an innovative and bottom-up military culture, which allows it to quickly introduce new battlefield technologies and tactics. But it can struggle to make sure that those lessons are systematized and spread throughout the entire armed forces. Russia, on the other hand, is slower to learn from the bottom up because of a reluctance to report failure and a more centralized command philosophy. Yet when Russia does finally learn something, it is able to systematize it across the military and through its large defense industry.

    These differences are reflected in the ways the two states innovate. Ukraine is better at tactical adaptation: learning and improving on the battlefield. Russia is superior at strategic adaptation, or learning and adaptation that affects national and military policymaking, such as how states use their resources. Both forms of adaptation are important. But it is the latter type that is most crucial to winning wars. […]

    The longer the war in Ukraine lasts, the more Moscow will improve its strategic adaptation…. defeat is still a possible outcome

  542. Chicken hypnotism must be somewhat related physiologically to possums playing dead.

    This article states Werner Herzog made several films (two?) where somebody hypnotizes a chicken.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_hypnotism

    • Replies: @songbird
    @songbird

    Imagine that it comes from chickens having been derived from junglefowl. Probably due to poisonous snakes.

    Hard to imagine a duck or goose or turkey or other temperate bird being hypnotized. I suspect the domestic guinea fowl comes from the Savannah or similar environment.

    Supposedly, a Mexican migrant worker coined the term "cobra chicken" to describe Canada geese, based partly on their hissing, but are there cobras in Mexico?

    , @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    People were hypnotized in the 1980's by this chicken dance:

    https://youtu.be/WZJAIkmT3Rg

    Is it time to bring this craze back?

    Replies: @songbird

    , @QCIC
    @songbird

    Chicken hypnosis is fascinating to see in person. I guess human hypnosis would be even more so if it is real!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0oMP5jyV7I

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

  543. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/feb/07/sweden-drop-inquiry-nord-stream-pipeline-explosions

    “Swedish prosecutors have said they will end their investigation into the sabotage of the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines in 2022, dodging the question of who destroyed the then new energy link between Russia and Europe shortly after Moscow launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

    After a near 18-month inquiry, the investigators concluded they did not have jurisdiction in the case because Sweden’s citizens and interests had not been harmed.

    “The conclusion of the investigation is that Swedish jurisdiction does not apply and that the investigation therefore should be closed,” the Swedish prosecution authority said on Wednesday.

    The multibillion-dollar Nord Stream pipelines transporting Russian gas to Germany under the Baltic Sea were ruptured by a series of blasts in Swedish and Danish waters in September 2022, releasing vast amounts of methane into the air.”

    • Replies: @A123
    @YetAnotherAnon


    “Swedish prosecutors have said they will end their investigation into the sabotage of the Nord Stream
    ...
    After a near 18-month inquiry, the investigators concluded they did not have jurisdiction
     
    It took Sweden 18 months to determine they did not have jurisdiction? Are they really that slow?

    Most likely, they do not have anything. It is a weak effort at face saving. This would be consistent with an industrial accident, as there is no foul play to discover.

    The other plausible option is, they have evidence implicating Poland. Notice the proximity of this announcement to the narrow victory of Donald Tusk. The last thing they want to do is undermine his efforts by motivating the PiS popular base.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    , @AnonfromTN
    @YetAnotherAnon


    After a near 18-month inquiry, the investigators concluded they did not have jurisdiction in the case because Sweden’s citizens and interests had not been harmed.
     
    As expected. The very fact that it took Sweden 18 months to reach the conclusion that should have been reached in 15 minutes tells you everything you need to know about this “investigation”, as well as who the perpetrators of this terrorist act actually were.
    , @Beckow
    @YetAnotherAnon


    the investigators concluded they did not have jurisdiction in the case because Sweden’s citizens and interests had not been harmed.
     
    Great. How close to the Swedish coast would a messy, polluting industrial ship have to blow up? Where is Greta? We see the Swedes don't care about the environment.

    This is the same free country that kept Assange in jail on a suspicion of "non-consent" relationship and spent years searching for Russian subs in the Stockholm harbor. They got their priorities straight....good obedient Scandies, as always.

  544. @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    When it comes to Russia, nothing… not a single thing…. is in alignment with what Western media proclaim is the reality.
     
    Yep. Seeing the reality in Russia would debunk a mass of lies spewed by Western propaganda. Naturally, they don’t want people to go to Russia and see it as it is, not as they hoped it to be.

    Putin with a serious interviewer will be well worth watching.
     
    That’s the main motivation for Tucker: greatly increase viewership. He has nothing to lose, as he has already run afoul of the elites promoting policies destructive for the country.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

    He has nothing to lose, as he has already run afoul of the elites promoting policies destructive for the country.

    This explains why you’re so enamored with Tucker Carlson. I think that you should accompany Carlson on his upcoming trip, and the both of you remain there for the duration of your lives.

  545. @John Johnson
    Did you have a Biden moment when you typed all that? It doesn’t follow from anything I said and is incoherent as hell.

    I was being facetious.

    Maybe that didn't translate well to your ESL abilities.

    Here is what Trump fans told me in 2020:
    And yet some of you think Trump could lose in the election just because of some polls. Clearly you have been falling for MSM propaganda.

    I was told that Trump would definitely win and that the polls were propaganda. You can actually dig into my history and view those comments from Trump Tribe. They were certain that their emotional desires would reign supreme over data showing a decline in independents.

    Some people are just a tad emotionally attached to a silver spoon born reality TV star who bragged to a magazine about cheating on his wife. It's almost as if investing yourself emotionally into such a high character person might lead to disappointment.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yoffm4OIn-4

    Why does Trump attract so many nutcase televangelists? Are they just looking for a tax break? Pools of sleeze swell together?

    Replies: @Mikel, @Mr. Hack

    These preachers remind me of kremlinstoogeA123.

    • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
  546. @YetAnotherAnon
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/feb/07/sweden-drop-inquiry-nord-stream-pipeline-explosions

    "Swedish prosecutors have said they will end their investigation into the sabotage of the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines in 2022, dodging the question of who destroyed the then new energy link between Russia and Europe shortly after Moscow launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

    After a near 18-month inquiry, the investigators concluded they did not have jurisdiction in the case because Sweden’s citizens and interests had not been harmed.

    “The conclusion of the investigation is that Swedish jurisdiction does not apply and that the investigation therefore should be closed,” the Swedish prosecution authority said on Wednesday.

    The multibillion-dollar Nord Stream pipelines transporting Russian gas to Germany under the Baltic Sea were ruptured by a series of blasts in Swedish and Danish waters in September 2022, releasing vast amounts of methane into the air."
     

    Replies: @A123, @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

    “Swedish prosecutors have said they will end their investigation into the sabotage of the Nord Stream

    After a near 18-month inquiry, the investigators concluded they did not have jurisdiction

    It took Sweden 18 months to determine they did not have jurisdiction? Are they really that slow?

    Most likely, they do not have anything. It is a weak effort at face saving. This would be consistent with an industrial accident, as there is no foul play to discover.

    The other plausible option is, they have evidence implicating Poland. Notice the proximity of this announcement to the narrow victory of Donald Tusk. The last thing they want to do is undermine his efforts by motivating the PiS popular base.

    PEACE 😇

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @A123


    " they have evidence implicating Poland. Notice the proximity of this announcement to the narrow victory of Donald Tusk."
     
    Would that be the Donald Tusk who tweeted "Thanks USA!" within a few hours of the explosion?

    Replies: @A123

  547. @songbird
    Chicken hypnotism must be somewhat related physiologically to possums playing dead.

    This article states Werner Herzog made several films (two?) where somebody hypnotizes a chicken.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_hypnotism

    Replies: @songbird, @Mr. Hack, @QCIC

    Imagine that it comes from chickens having been derived from junglefowl. Probably due to poisonous snakes.

    Hard to imagine a duck or goose or turkey or other temperate bird being hypnotized. I suspect the domestic guinea fowl comes from the Savannah or similar environment.

    Supposedly, a Mexican migrant worker coined the term “cobra chicken” to describe Canada geese, based partly on their hissing, but are there cobras in Mexico?

  548. Nikki Haley loses in Arizona.

     

     

    Yep. Trump was not on the ballot and she still lost.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Arizona? Too much airplane glue this morning? :-)

    , @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Trump was not on the ballot and she still lost.
     
    Well, I am not surprised that twice as many people decided that “none of the above” is preferable to Nikki Haley. Too bad this choice is absent in the national presidential elections. None of the above would win hands down without spending a penny.
    , @sudden death
    @A123

    Once again we see the very steady pattern that nearly 40% of current Republican voters don't prefer Trump as their primary choice (not even to mention that 5% at this stage for Mike Pence is a LOT) so it's nice to see that figurative JJ's are large voting block in fact;)

    Replies: @A123, @Mikel

  549. @songbird
    Chicken hypnotism must be somewhat related physiologically to possums playing dead.

    This article states Werner Herzog made several films (two?) where somebody hypnotizes a chicken.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_hypnotism

    Replies: @songbird, @Mr. Hack, @QCIC

    People were hypnotized in the 1980’s by this chicken dance:

    Is it time to bring this craze back?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    People were hypnotized in the 1980’s by this chicken dance:
     
    Where did you see it, if you don't mind my asking? At weddings? The wiki article suggests it was popular where polka was a thing. (The Midwest?)

    The only place I ever recall seeing it was at the local roller-derby. There was a guy in a big chicken suit skating around and encouraging people to do it. It was a regular feature of the place.

    Can't definitely recall if I ever saw it at a wedding, but I would vaguely say no.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. Hack

  550. @A123
    @YetAnotherAnon


    “Swedish prosecutors have said they will end their investigation into the sabotage of the Nord Stream
    ...
    After a near 18-month inquiry, the investigators concluded they did not have jurisdiction
     
    It took Sweden 18 months to determine they did not have jurisdiction? Are they really that slow?

    Most likely, they do not have anything. It is a weak effort at face saving. This would be consistent with an industrial accident, as there is no foul play to discover.

    The other plausible option is, they have evidence implicating Poland. Notice the proximity of this announcement to the narrow victory of Donald Tusk. The last thing they want to do is undermine his efforts by motivating the PiS popular base.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    ” they have evidence implicating Poland. Notice the proximity of this announcement to the narrow victory of Donald Tusk.”

    Would that be the Donald Tusk who tweeted “Thanks USA!” within a few hours of the explosion?

    • Replies: @A123
    @YetAnotherAnon



    ” they have evidence implicating Poland. Notice the proximity of this announcement to the narrow victory of Donald Tusk.”
     
    Would that be the Donald Tusk who tweeted “Thanks USA!” within a few hours of the explosion?
     
    Politicians lie much of the time. It could be a:

    -A- Random blurt, not grounded in personal knowledge of the facts.
    -B- Very poor attempt by Tusk to divert blame away from Poland.
    -C- Both A and B.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

  551. @A123
    Nikki Haley loses in Arizona.

     
    https://static-assets-1.truthsocial.com/tmtg:prime-ts-assets/media_attachments/files/111/888/513/322/507/690/original/451046ac30fd353f.jpg
     

    Yep. Trump was not on the ballot and she still lost.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN, @sudden death

    Arizona? Too much airplane glue this morning? 🙂

    • LOL: sudden death
  552. @songbird
    Chicken hypnotism must be somewhat related physiologically to possums playing dead.

    This article states Werner Herzog made several films (two?) where somebody hypnotizes a chicken.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_hypnotism

    Replies: @songbird, @Mr. Hack, @QCIC

    Chicken hypnosis is fascinating to see in person. I guess human hypnosis would be even more so if it is real!

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    https://www.amazon.com/Patterns-Hypnotic-Techniques-Milton-Erickson/dp/091699001X

    The best hypnotist I ever saw by an order of magnitude was a student of Richard Bandler. If you look on the internet in 2024 for this information 99.9% of your search results will land on marketing scum. I wouldn't even bother with the internet for this stuff right now but if you quietly look around in the real world and you find one of these masters pay attention.

    Did you ever see that Scott Adams bullshit about Trump being an NLP master? Adams is part of the 99.9%.

    Replies: @QCIC

    , @songbird
    @QCIC


    I guess human hypnosis would be even more so if it is real!
     
    Have seen it three times, and even felt my fingers moving together once. Would say it is undoubtedly real, just not an an unconscious or subconscious state.

    Self-hypnosis is supposed to be very useful for pain management, but it is only marginally known since megacorps can't profit from it.

    Other day, I saw a clip of a crow doing different things, such as fetching a guy's slippers and keys. One thing that surprised me was seeing it move bricks. If they were bigger, maybe they would lay them and spread mortar on them.

    Replies: @QCIC

  553. @YetAnotherAnon
    @A123


    " they have evidence implicating Poland. Notice the proximity of this announcement to the narrow victory of Donald Tusk."
     
    Would that be the Donald Tusk who tweeted "Thanks USA!" within a few hours of the explosion?

    Replies: @A123

    ” they have evidence implicating Poland. Notice the proximity of this announcement to the narrow victory of Donald Tusk.”

    Would that be the Donald Tusk who tweeted “Thanks USA!” within a few hours of the explosion?

    Politicians lie much of the time. It could be a:

    -A- Random blurt, not grounded in personal knowledge of the facts.
    -B- Very poor attempt by Tusk to divert blame away from Poland.
    -C- Both A and B.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @A123

    The tweet was by Radek Sikorski, the husband of Anne Applebaum, the former and the current Polish foreign minister.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @A123, @Sean

  554. @YetAnotherAnon
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/feb/07/sweden-drop-inquiry-nord-stream-pipeline-explosions

    "Swedish prosecutors have said they will end their investigation into the sabotage of the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines in 2022, dodging the question of who destroyed the then new energy link between Russia and Europe shortly after Moscow launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

    After a near 18-month inquiry, the investigators concluded they did not have jurisdiction in the case because Sweden’s citizens and interests had not been harmed.

    “The conclusion of the investigation is that Swedish jurisdiction does not apply and that the investigation therefore should be closed,” the Swedish prosecution authority said on Wednesday.

    The multibillion-dollar Nord Stream pipelines transporting Russian gas to Germany under the Baltic Sea were ruptured by a series of blasts in Swedish and Danish waters in September 2022, releasing vast amounts of methane into the air."
     

    Replies: @A123, @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

    After a near 18-month inquiry, the investigators concluded they did not have jurisdiction in the case because Sweden’s citizens and interests had not been harmed.

    As expected. The very fact that it took Sweden 18 months to reach the conclusion that should have been reached in 15 minutes tells you everything you need to know about this “investigation”, as well as who the perpetrators of this terrorist act actually were.

  555. @A123
    Nikki Haley loses in Arizona.

     
    https://static-assets-1.truthsocial.com/tmtg:prime-ts-assets/media_attachments/files/111/888/513/322/507/690/original/451046ac30fd353f.jpg
     

    Yep. Trump was not on the ballot and she still lost.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN, @sudden death

    Trump was not on the ballot and she still lost.

    Well, I am not surprised that twice as many people decided that “none of the above” is preferable to Nikki Haley. Too bad this choice is absent in the national presidential elections. None of the above would win hands down without spending a penny.

  556. Interesting stats from Russian deputy prime minister Novak, who was minister of energy in Russia 2012-2020. Russian oil exports in 2023 were on the same level as in 2021. The difference is that 60% of exported oil went to the West in 2021, whereas in 2023 Western share dropped to 15%.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    Another interesting thing was said the other day by Boris Kovalchuk, head of InterRAO- since SMO started Germany electricity usage down by 13%, UK's down by 22%!!
    Russian's increased by 8%.

    So it's a clear sign for Germany, France, UK, Italy etc of greatly reduced industrial output - and greater amount of those in West working from home throughout the week following coronavirus which you would think is also significant reduce electricity demand

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN, @AP

  557. @YetAnotherAnon
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/feb/07/sweden-drop-inquiry-nord-stream-pipeline-explosions

    "Swedish prosecutors have said they will end their investigation into the sabotage of the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines in 2022, dodging the question of who destroyed the then new energy link between Russia and Europe shortly after Moscow launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

    After a near 18-month inquiry, the investigators concluded they did not have jurisdiction in the case because Sweden’s citizens and interests had not been harmed.

    “The conclusion of the investigation is that Swedish jurisdiction does not apply and that the investigation therefore should be closed,” the Swedish prosecution authority said on Wednesday.

    The multibillion-dollar Nord Stream pipelines transporting Russian gas to Germany under the Baltic Sea were ruptured by a series of blasts in Swedish and Danish waters in September 2022, releasing vast amounts of methane into the air."
     

    Replies: @A123, @AnonfromTN, @Beckow

    the investigators concluded they did not have jurisdiction in the case because Sweden’s citizens and interests had not been harmed.

    Great. How close to the Swedish coast would a messy, polluting industrial ship have to blow up? Where is Greta? We see the Swedes don’t care about the environment.

    This is the same free country that kept Assange in jail on a suspicion of “non-consent” relationship and spent years searching for Russian subs in the Stockholm harbor. They got their priorities straight….good obedient Scandies, as always.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  558. @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    When it comes to Russia, nothing… not a single thing…. is in alignment with what Western media proclaim is the reality.
     
    Yep. Seeing the reality in Russia would debunk a mass of lies spewed by Western propaganda. Naturally, they don’t want people to go to Russia and see it as it is, not as they hoped it to be.

    Putin with a serious interviewer will be well worth watching.
     
    That’s the main motivation for Tucker: greatly increase viewership. He has nothing to lose, as he has already run afoul of the elites promoting policies destructive for the country.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

    I don’t think they should have agreed to be interviewed by him, I don’t see any good coming from it, and would just prefer if VVP did another interview with a Russian journalist.

    Unless there was an amusing pretext for the interview such as Medvedev on VK doing a threatening of the US not being in existence for its 250th birthday (which I hope he will say before 2026!) then what’s the point?

    Trump is the US President out of the last 3, who is by far the most responsible for the need to denazify and demilitarise Ukraine. It’s unbelievablely idiotic to say “no wars happened when he was President”, because he laid all the foundation making SMO a neccesity- and that’s even with Republican party control of the 2 parliaments.
    Tomos for fake ukrop church happened only from extensive “diplomatic” work from his Gosdep, ZERO attempt to pressure 404 to even START fullfil Minsk Agreement, for a so called businessman ZERO attempt on at least Crimea negotiations and some financial figure offered, Nord Stream 2 delayed significantly and tried to stop, weapons sent to 404, training their military (to zero benefit, LOL), most preparation of their defences in Donbass done during his time

    So if Carlson doesn’t approach the interview from the position that Trump has caused much of these problems and its just a Trump c*ck-sucking exercise….. the entire thing should be a waste of time, because it’s not Putin’s style to be calling Trump a fat scumbag war criminal.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Gerard1234


    I don’t think they should have agreed to be interviewed by him, I don’t see any good coming from it, and would just prefer if VVP did another interview with a Russian journalist.
     
    Putin’s interviews with Russian (and quite a few Western) journalists are never made available to Western viewers/readers, as they would have exposed the lies of Western propaganda. What people in the West get is mostly “interpretations” (i.e., propaganda) interspersed with bits and pieces of Putin’s words to make the lie look like reporting (for those dumb enough to swallow this ruse line, hook, and sinker).

    Carlson’s interview would undoubtedly suffer the same fate in Western lugenpresse (accompanied by smearing of Carlson himself), but here is the rub: Twitter will likely make the whole uncut and undoctored interview available. Libtard/neocon censors and their paymasters will screech in impotent rage.

    For Carlson it’s a powerful PR, this will make his viewership skyrocket. I think for Putin it’s yet another way to troll Western elites and mock their lying propaganda.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Gerard1234

    Do you think Donald the Fat had any agency in a corona virus attack at China and Iran?

  559. @A123
    Nikki Haley loses in Arizona.

     
    https://static-assets-1.truthsocial.com/tmtg:prime-ts-assets/media_attachments/files/111/888/513/322/507/690/original/451046ac30fd353f.jpg
     

    Yep. Trump was not on the ballot and she still lost.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN, @sudden death

    Once again we see the very steady pattern that nearly 40% of current Republican voters don’t prefer Trump as their primary choice (not even to mention that 5% at this stage for Mike Pence is a LOT) so it’s nice to see that figurative JJ’s are large voting block in fact;)

    • Replies: @A123
    @sudden death

    The whole thing is a bit of a laugh. Nevada selects delegates via caucus. (1)


    On the Republican side, Tuesday’s primary has no state delegates bound to the results, and the frontrunner, former President Trump, is not on the Tuesday primary ballot. This is because the Nevada Republican Party is discouraging participation in the state-run primary.

    They will be holding a statewide caucus on Thursday which will have all of the state’s Republican delegates bound to the results.

    The Nevada Republican Party stated that any candidate who participates in the state-run primary is ineligible to participate in the party-run caucus and thus ineligible for state delegates. Because of this Nikki Haley will not be on Thursday’s caucus ballot and is not eligible to earn any of the state’s delegates. Her biggest competition on the Tuesday primary ballot may also be “None of these candidates”. Republican voters are allowed to vote in both the Tuesday primary and the Thursday caucus.
     
    I am not sure why there was an election. It must be baked into state law/regulation that prevents the event from being cancelled even though it is meaningless.

    The caucus results will be much more indicative of Trump's popularity.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://decisiondeskhq.com/nevada-presidential-primary-results/
    , @Mikel
    @sudden death


    figurative JJ’s are large voting block in fact
     
    Yes they are. But not nearly as large as the figurative A123's block. The rest of us have to watch them select a nominee that will hopefully not be as bad as the half-corpse in the White House (JJ's choice actually is worse, not so sure about A123's).

    But at least they are entertaining. JJ believes that I am a Trump fanatic, possibly brainwashed by some televangelist, and A123 accuses me of being a Bolton admiring nevertrumper LOL. But well, we wouldn't have only these two choices left in the GOP if their supporters weren't like that, would we?

    As for you, have some faith. Remember that it was Trump who bombed Syria (twice), increased all types of sanctions against Russia and started supplying lethal weapons to Ukraine. I know Haley is a much more secure bet for the never ending war fans but if, by some miracle, Trump defeats the vegetable, you might be agreeably surprised with him too.

    Replies: @sudden death, @A123

  560. @AnonfromTN
    Interesting stats from Russian deputy prime minister Novak, who was minister of energy in Russia 2012-2020. Russian oil exports in 2023 were on the same level as in 2021. The difference is that 60% of exported oil went to the West in 2021, whereas in 2023 Western share dropped to 15%.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Another interesting thing was said the other day by Boris Kovalchuk, head of InterRAO- since SMO started Germany electricity usage down by 13%, UK’s down by 22%!!
    Russian’s increased by 8%.

    So it’s a clear sign for Germany, France, UK, Italy etc of greatly reduced industrial output – and greater amount of those in West working from home throughout the week following coronavirus which you would think is also significant reduce electricity demand

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Gerard1234


    ...since SMO started Germany electricity usage down by 13%, UK’s down by 22%!!
    Russian’s increased by 8%.
     
    The large industries have cut back and were told to shut down the heavy-energy activities. Consumers within EU are largely unaffected - but in UK they are.

    It is a classical pissing contest - who can last longer and suffer more. Can the soft Euros outlast Russia? Europe can deindustrialize and live off finance - basically to issue and distribute money - services for that money and Asian tourists. For that we don't need 500 million people - tens of millions Euros become redundant. What to do with them?

    Trump slowed down things, you should give him some credit. That's the best we can hope for - not having a total lunatic rushing to wars. If Carlson interviews him he will go out of his way to be tough - that's good, Russia has a strong case let them articulate it. What do they really want - what are the limits? We need to move to some resolution otherwise this will eventually blow up...

    Replies: @LondonBob

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Gerard1234


    Another interesting thing was said the other day by Boris Kovalchuk, head of InterRAO- since SMO started Germany electricity usage down by 13%, UK’s down by 22%!!
    Russian’s increased by 8%.
     
    Europe is on a downward spiral, possibly beyond salvage. It’s their problem, though.

    It is interesting how the propaganda payed for by the same morons that introduced anti-Russian sanctions changed. At the beginning paid MSM hacks predicted that Russian economy will tank (remember Obama’s “economy in tatters”). As this “prediction” turned out to be so wrong that this could not be ignored, they changed tune. Now they talk about Russian economy overheating because of rapid growth.

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Another interesting thing was said the other day by Boris Kovalchuk, head of InterRAO- since SMO started Germany electricity usage down by 13%, UK’s down by 22%!!
     
    22% was the decrease in use of fossil fuels in the UK in 2023. Not decrease in energy use.

    Sovoks are incredibly gullible.

    https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-uk-electricity-from-fossil-fuels-drops-to-lowest-level-since-1957/

    The amount of UK electricity generated from fossil fuels fell 22% year-on-year in 2023 to the lowest level since 1957, Carbon Brief analysis reveals.

    Electricity from fossil fuels has now fallen by two-thirds (199TWh) since peaking in 2008. Within that total, coal has dropped by 115TWh (97%) and gas by 80TWh (45%).

    These declines have been caused by the rapid expansion of renewable energy (up six-fold since 2008, some 113TWh) and by lower electricity demand (down 21% since 2008, some 83TWh).

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Gerard1234

  561. @sudden death
    @A123

    Once again we see the very steady pattern that nearly 40% of current Republican voters don't prefer Trump as their primary choice (not even to mention that 5% at this stage for Mike Pence is a LOT) so it's nice to see that figurative JJ's are large voting block in fact;)

    Replies: @A123, @Mikel

    The whole thing is a bit of a laugh. Nevada selects delegates via caucus. (1)

    On the Republican side, Tuesday’s primary has no state delegates bound to the results, and the frontrunner, former President Trump, is not on the Tuesday primary ballot. This is because the Nevada Republican Party is discouraging participation in the state-run primary.

    They will be holding a statewide caucus on Thursday which will have all of the state’s Republican delegates bound to the results.

    The Nevada Republican Party stated that any candidate who participates in the state-run primary is ineligible to participate in the party-run caucus and thus ineligible for state delegates. Because of this Nikki Haley will not be on Thursday’s caucus ballot and is not eligible to earn any of the state’s delegates. Her biggest competition on the Tuesday primary ballot may also be “None of these candidates”. Republican voters are allowed to vote in both the Tuesday primary and the Thursday caucus.

    I am not sure why there was an election. It must be baked into state law/regulation that prevents the event from being cancelled even though it is meaningless.

    The caucus results will be much more indicative of Trump’s popularity.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://decisiondeskhq.com/nevada-presidential-primary-results/

  562. @QCIC
    @songbird

    Chicken hypnosis is fascinating to see in person. I guess human hypnosis would be even more so if it is real!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0oMP5jyV7I

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    The best hypnotist I ever saw by an order of magnitude was a student of Richard Bandler. If you look on the internet in 2024 for this information 99.9% of your search results will land on marketing scum. I wouldn’t even bother with the internet for this stuff right now but if you quietly look around in the real world and you find one of these masters pay attention.

    Did you ever see that Scott Adams bullshit about Trump being an NLP master? Adams is part of the 99.9%.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I am only vaguely familiar with NLP. I can imagine Trump uses a few NLP-like mannerisms which could have fooled Adams.

    Whatever happened since Adams threw down the gauntlet with black people a few years ago?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  563. @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    Another interesting thing was said the other day by Boris Kovalchuk, head of InterRAO- since SMO started Germany electricity usage down by 13%, UK's down by 22%!!
    Russian's increased by 8%.

    So it's a clear sign for Germany, France, UK, Italy etc of greatly reduced industrial output - and greater amount of those in West working from home throughout the week following coronavirus which you would think is also significant reduce electricity demand

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN, @AP

    …since SMO started Germany electricity usage down by 13%, UK’s down by 22%!!
    Russian’s increased by 8%.

    The large industries have cut back and were told to shut down the heavy-energy activities. Consumers within EU are largely unaffected – but in UK they are.

    It is a classical pissing contest – who can last longer and suffer more. Can the soft Euros outlast Russia? Europe can deindustrialize and live off finance – basically to issue and distribute money – services for that money and Asian tourists. For that we don’t need 500 million people – tens of millions Euros become redundant. What to do with them?

    Trump slowed down things, you should give him some credit. That’s the best we can hope for – not having a total lunatic rushing to wars. If Carlson interviews him he will go out of his way to be tough – that’s good, Russia has a strong case let them articulate it. What do they really want – what are the limits? We need to move to some resolution otherwise this will eventually blow up…

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Beckow

    Energy prices have dropped back down now, problems are mostly to with the net zero fanaticism of the political elite and a legacy, now largely paid off, from collapsed energy retailers who had not hedged the rise in energy costs.

  564. @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    I don't think they should have agreed to be interviewed by him, I don't see any good coming from it, and would just prefer if VVP did another interview with a Russian journalist.

    Unless there was an amusing pretext for the interview such as Medvedev on VK doing a threatening of the US not being in existence for its 250th birthday (which I hope he will say before 2026!) then what's the point?

    Trump is the US President out of the last 3, who is by far the most responsible for the need to denazify and demilitarise Ukraine. It's unbelievablely idiotic to say "no wars happened when he was President", because he laid all the foundation making SMO a neccesity- and that's even with Republican party control of the 2 parliaments.
    Tomos for fake ukrop church happened only from extensive "diplomatic" work from his Gosdep, ZERO attempt to pressure 404 to even START fullfil Minsk Agreement, for a so called businessman ZERO attempt on at least Crimea negotiations and some financial figure offered, Nord Stream 2 delayed significantly and tried to stop, weapons sent to 404, training their military (to zero benefit, LOL), most preparation of their defences in Donbass done during his time

    So if Carlson doesn't approach the interview from the position that Trump has caused much of these problems and its just a Trump c*ck-sucking exercise..... the entire thing should be a waste of time, because it's not Putin's style to be calling Trump a fat scumbag war criminal.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard

    I don’t think they should have agreed to be interviewed by him, I don’t see any good coming from it, and would just prefer if VVP did another interview with a Russian journalist.

    Putin’s interviews with Russian (and quite a few Western) journalists are never made available to Western viewers/readers, as they would have exposed the lies of Western propaganda. What people in the West get is mostly “interpretations” (i.e., propaganda) interspersed with bits and pieces of Putin’s words to make the lie look like reporting (for those dumb enough to swallow this ruse line, hook, and sinker).

    Carlson’s interview would undoubtedly suffer the same fate in Western lugenpresse (accompanied by smearing of Carlson himself), but here is the rub: Twitter will likely make the whole uncut and undoctored interview available. Libtard/neocon censors and their paymasters will screech in impotent rage.

    For Carlson it’s a powerful PR, this will make his viewership skyrocket. I think for Putin it’s yet another way to troll Western elites and mock their lying propaganda.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    Putin’s interviews with Russian (and quite a few Western) journalists are never made available to Western viewers/readers, as they would have exposed the lies of Western propaganda.

    Will the interview be scripted and do you think the questions have to be pre-approved by Putin?

    For Carlson it’s a powerful PR, this will make his viewership skyrocket.

    No he will probably just have the same MAGA viewers that pathetically watch him even though he was conspiring against Trump when he was at Fox. That's not speculations as his texts are part of public record. His MAGA fans however have zero standards and follow him anyways.

    Tucker describes Trump as a demonic force in leaked texts:
    https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-fox-news-texts-about-election-five-bombshells-1782130

  565. @Beckow
    @Gerard1234


    ...since SMO started Germany electricity usage down by 13%, UK’s down by 22%!!
    Russian’s increased by 8%.
     
    The large industries have cut back and were told to shut down the heavy-energy activities. Consumers within EU are largely unaffected - but in UK they are.

    It is a classical pissing contest - who can last longer and suffer more. Can the soft Euros outlast Russia? Europe can deindustrialize and live off finance - basically to issue and distribute money - services for that money and Asian tourists. For that we don't need 500 million people - tens of millions Euros become redundant. What to do with them?

    Trump slowed down things, you should give him some credit. That's the best we can hope for - not having a total lunatic rushing to wars. If Carlson interviews him he will go out of his way to be tough - that's good, Russia has a strong case let them articulate it. What do they really want - what are the limits? We need to move to some resolution otherwise this will eventually blow up...

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Energy prices have dropped back down now, problems are mostly to with the net zero fanaticism of the political elite and a legacy, now largely paid off, from collapsed energy retailers who had not hedged the rise in energy costs.

  566. Claims the evacuation of Avdeevka has begun.

    You simply can’t occupy a region where you are unwanted.

  567. @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    Another interesting thing was said the other day by Boris Kovalchuk, head of InterRAO- since SMO started Germany electricity usage down by 13%, UK's down by 22%!!
    Russian's increased by 8%.

    So it's a clear sign for Germany, France, UK, Italy etc of greatly reduced industrial output - and greater amount of those in West working from home throughout the week following coronavirus which you would think is also significant reduce electricity demand

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN, @AP

    Another interesting thing was said the other day by Boris Kovalchuk, head of InterRAO- since SMO started Germany electricity usage down by 13%, UK’s down by 22%!!
    Russian’s increased by 8%.

    Europe is on a downward spiral, possibly beyond salvage. It’s their problem, though.

    It is interesting how the propaganda payed for by the same morons that introduced anti-Russian sanctions changed. At the beginning paid MSM hacks predicted that Russian economy will tank (remember Obama’s “economy in tatters”). As this “prediction” turned out to be so wrong that this could not be ignored, they changed tune. Now they talk about Russian economy overheating because of rapid growth.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN

    One should inquire what is the situation with private usage of solar energy, especially in Germany, e.g. whether do they have a way to count solar energy produced and used for personal needs. In Lithuania official overall electricity usage from the state grid has declined several percent, but it was due to surge of solar personal installations, on own house roofs mostly.

    Those who have this additinal source of energy at home obviously use less electricity from the state grid, even if their overall personal consumption wasn't reduced. It just isn't counted anyhow in Lithuania, cause there is no any requirements for private persons to keep the mandatory stats of their own solar energy production at home, except when they sell some back into the grid.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  568. @AnonfromTN
    @Gerard1234


    Another interesting thing was said the other day by Boris Kovalchuk, head of InterRAO- since SMO started Germany electricity usage down by 13%, UK’s down by 22%!!
    Russian’s increased by 8%.
     
    Europe is on a downward spiral, possibly beyond salvage. It’s their problem, though.

    It is interesting how the propaganda payed for by the same morons that introduced anti-Russian sanctions changed. At the beginning paid MSM hacks predicted that Russian economy will tank (remember Obama’s “economy in tatters”). As this “prediction” turned out to be so wrong that this could not be ignored, they changed tune. Now they talk about Russian economy overheating because of rapid growth.

    Replies: @sudden death

    One should inquire what is the situation with private usage of solar energy, especially in Germany, e.g. whether do they have a way to count solar energy produced and used for personal needs. In Lithuania official overall electricity usage from the state grid has declined several percent, but it was due to surge of solar personal installations, on own house roofs mostly.

    Those who have this additinal source of energy at home obviously use less electricity from the state grid, even if their overall personal consumption wasn’t reduced. It just isn’t counted anyhow in Lithuania, cause there is no any requirements for private persons to keep the mandatory stats of their own solar energy production at home, except when they sell some back into the grid.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    One should inquire what is the situation with private usage of solar energy, especially in Germany, e.g. whether do they have a way to count solar energy produced and used for personal needs.
     
    Do you really believe that 13-22% reduction can reflect the use of solar instead of grid electricity? Your post sounds more like drowning man clutching at straws.

    I wonder how you explain absolute shrinking of German economy (IMF put it at 0.3% in 2023). Then again, there is a tried and true way: blame it all on Putin. After all, White house spokeswoman called raging inflation in the US “Putin’s tax”. Since Putin can tax Americans, I guess he, not the corrupt demented half-corpse in the White house, is now US president.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death, @A123

  569. @Sean
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg6hVmvlS

    I predict Western MSM will completely lose interest in the war as it becomes clear that Russia is inexorably grinding the Ukrainians down. The commenters here who used to go on about it have switched to discussing Trump. I suppose the Russian victory will be blamed on Trump even if he is years into a prison term by that time.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I suppose the Russian victory will be blamed on Trump even if he is years into a prison term by that time.

    What exactly do you expect that victory to look like? Taking Odessa? Marching on Kiev? Putin started this war by declaring that the goal was to stop the Eastward expansion of NATO. Well that failed so what is your metric?

    You do realize that both MacGregor and Ritter were certain that the war would be over by now? They have been wrong no less than a dozen times about Ukraine being near collapse. Ritter at least stopped talking about it and made a bunch of declarations on how the IDF would be defeated in Gaza. So he at least chose to be wrong about something else.

    Russia has a lot of men but Ukraine is building 1 million drones:
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2413260-what-does-ukraines-million-drone-army-mean-for-the-future-of-war/

    Can Russia continue to send in half-suicidal dregs to get their heads blown off by drones?

    I really don’t know. My guess is that Russia will take Avidiika and then Putin will hint that he wants the war to end with current lines. Odessa is not a Russian city nor was there ever a separatist movement. The Russian speakers voted for Zelensky and not the pro-Russian parties. Trying to take a hostile port city would be a bloody mess. Putin’s fans want him to take Odessa and lock down the Black Sea but bloggers aren’t the ones getting their heads blown off by $250 drones.

    Trying to take hostile cities of any type with a conscript army is a very bad idea. Especially if they are half-drunk and demoralized. You need professional troops for such a task. I really don’t see Putin trying to pull a Gallipoli with half-drunk dregs and conscripted Asians but he has done much dumber things like sending a slow moving 40 mile column through hostile woods.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...What exactly do you expect that victory to look like?
     
    Winning the war. The precise lines on the map are always negotiated: Germany, Austria, Italy continued to exist after WW2 - would you claim that Russia ("Allies") didn't win?

    Could we at least agree that Ukraine lost the war? Kiev's declared goals were to take back Crimea and Donbas and they failed. Nato will not be in Ukraine after a heavy investment and all the big talk so it is also a loss for them. (Ok, you got Finland, enjoy it....:) You always had it, but whatever...)

    This silly "we didn't lose the war, look at Finland!!!" nonsense is embarrassing. It adds an insult to the injury. Man up....you lost in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Georgia, and now in Ukraine. Quite a "hegemon"...maybe focusing on problems at home would be smarter.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Sean
    @John Johnson


    What exactly do you expect that victory to look like?
     
    The mass of the population in Ukraine losing faith in the war after it become evident the lost territories cannot be regained by military force, and the bulk of men mobilised will be going to their deaths in brutish Verdun type struggles .

    Can Russia continue to send in half-suicidal dregs to get their heads blown off by drones?
     
    The implication here is that quality is the Ukrainian strongpoint, but such is not the case because although in 2022 Ukraine was fielding more troops by the time Bakhmut fell Russia had the numerical advantage, and Ukraine has not won a victory since. In a nutshell the number of Russian troops appearing on the battlefield is increasing all the time now and whatever the theoretical male population of military age, the practical political situation is Ukraine is such the leadership feel unable to keep up in manpower, which is why Zelensky not only could not accede to the commander Zaluzhnyi request for half a million more troops, but sacked him for making it.

    Russia has a lot of men but Ukraine is building 1 million drones:
     
    Zaluzhnyi said the technological factors preventing the concentration of mobile defences for tank drives in rear areas is not battlefield but satellites ETC. He was asking for robots, which suggests there are fewer Ukrainians willing to be sent to the front line fortifications in order for the elite ideologically committed units that Zaluzhnyi has been coddling to spend most of their time a mile behind the front along with the drone operators. You need someone to sit in a foxhole and not just drone operators. The crack formations of the Ukrainian army ceasing to exist through endless counter attacks against Russians from the taiga will end Kiev's hopes of retaking territory. Fantastic as it may seem, the Ukrainians are being told by Zelensky that they are going to defeat Russia; Zaluzhnyi publicly alluding to a stalemate was another factor in his dismissal and if he who knows more than anyone about Ukraine's military' situation is say that then he prolly thinks the true outlook is something significantly worse.

    I really don’t see Putin trying to pull a Gallipoli with half-drunk dregs and conscripted Asians but he has done much dumber things like sending a slow moving 40 mile column through hostile woods.
     
    The current Russian tactics for storming preparations seem to be filtering of a handful of troops at a time into an area to gradually build up rather than attempting to move at once in a formed up unit. It is incremental but they Russians have learned the lesson that 'fast is slow, slow is fast'. The gist of a recent piece by Mick Ryan an advantage of the Russians is when they do finally learn something 'everyone 'gets the memo'. The defeats of 2022 actually reuced the overstretch, and resulted in an current propinquity of Russia proper to where the the fighting is a huge advantage, and increasingly it has the interior lines. Russia is pressing its advantage by focusing the main effort where it can be most easily supplied. Once Avdiika is taken, Donetsk could become a logistical hub for a very measured advance that Zelensky will have to throw reserves in against, thereby enabling the Russians to bring the bulk of the Ukrainian army to a slow motion rolling battle of attrition; one Kiev cannot possibly hope to win.
  570. @AnonfromTN
    @Gerard1234


    I don’t think they should have agreed to be interviewed by him, I don’t see any good coming from it, and would just prefer if VVP did another interview with a Russian journalist.
     
    Putin’s interviews with Russian (and quite a few Western) journalists are never made available to Western viewers/readers, as they would have exposed the lies of Western propaganda. What people in the West get is mostly “interpretations” (i.e., propaganda) interspersed with bits and pieces of Putin’s words to make the lie look like reporting (for those dumb enough to swallow this ruse line, hook, and sinker).

    Carlson’s interview would undoubtedly suffer the same fate in Western lugenpresse (accompanied by smearing of Carlson himself), but here is the rub: Twitter will likely make the whole uncut and undoctored interview available. Libtard/neocon censors and their paymasters will screech in impotent rage.

    For Carlson it’s a powerful PR, this will make his viewership skyrocket. I think for Putin it’s yet another way to troll Western elites and mock their lying propaganda.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Putin’s interviews with Russian (and quite a few Western) journalists are never made available to Western viewers/readers, as they would have exposed the lies of Western propaganda.

    Will the interview be scripted and do you think the questions have to be pre-approved by Putin?

    For Carlson it’s a powerful PR, this will make his viewership skyrocket.

    No he will probably just have the same MAGA viewers that pathetically watch him even though he was conspiring against Trump when he was at Fox. That’s not speculations as his texts are part of public record. His MAGA fans however have zero standards and follow him anyways.

    Tucker describes Trump as a demonic force in leaked texts:
    https://www.newsweek.com/tucker-carlson-fox-news-texts-about-election-five-bombshells-1782130

  571. @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    I don't think they should have agreed to be interviewed by him, I don't see any good coming from it, and would just prefer if VVP did another interview with a Russian journalist.

    Unless there was an amusing pretext for the interview such as Medvedev on VK doing a threatening of the US not being in existence for its 250th birthday (which I hope he will say before 2026!) then what's the point?

    Trump is the US President out of the last 3, who is by far the most responsible for the need to denazify and demilitarise Ukraine. It's unbelievablely idiotic to say "no wars happened when he was President", because he laid all the foundation making SMO a neccesity- and that's even with Republican party control of the 2 parliaments.
    Tomos for fake ukrop church happened only from extensive "diplomatic" work from his Gosdep, ZERO attempt to pressure 404 to even START fullfil Minsk Agreement, for a so called businessman ZERO attempt on at least Crimea negotiations and some financial figure offered, Nord Stream 2 delayed significantly and tried to stop, weapons sent to 404, training their military (to zero benefit, LOL), most preparation of their defences in Donbass done during his time

    So if Carlson doesn't approach the interview from the position that Trump has caused much of these problems and its just a Trump c*ck-sucking exercise..... the entire thing should be a waste of time, because it's not Putin's style to be calling Trump a fat scumbag war criminal.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Do you think Donald the Fat had any agency in a corona virus attack at China and Iran?

  572. @A123
    @YetAnotherAnon



    ” they have evidence implicating Poland. Notice the proximity of this announcement to the narrow victory of Donald Tusk.”
     
    Would that be the Donald Tusk who tweeted “Thanks USA!” within a few hours of the explosion?
     
    Politicians lie much of the time. It could be a:

    -A- Random blurt, not grounded in personal knowledge of the facts.
    -B- Very poor attempt by Tusk to divert blame away from Poland.
    -C- Both A and B.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    The tweet was by Radek Sikorski, the husband of Anne Applebaum, the former and the current Polish foreign minister.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Another Polish Perspective


    The tweet was by Radek Sikorski
     
    Is that the same Sikorski who said that Poland is sucking imperial cock?

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    , @A123
    @Another Polish Perspective


    The tweet was by Radek Sikorski, the husband of Anne Applebaum, the former and the current Polish foreign minister.
     
    Thanks.

    The key take away is that the source of the tweet would not have had any operational knowledge. Politicians speculate and say things for personal gain. However, it is in no way evidence.

    While I still think it is an industrial accident, a decent case can be made for Ukrainian and/or Polish irregular forces. There is a 0% chance of such a plan reaching leak prone DC. The nattering nabobs would have blown the operation. It is quite possible that other national governments would also be kept in the dark.

    If it was a plot to increase LNG sales, why is Not-The-President Biden withholding export licenses and development. Anti-American commenters here keep trying to blame the U.S., but such charges do not hold up under even mild scrutiny. Look at the profound incompetence of the current regime. International leaders across the globe ignore their impotent flailing.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Sean
    @Another Polish Perspective

    He would not give any concessions at all on Poles in Britain claiming British benefits for their family living in Poland . Not to minimise the effect of Enoch Powell, or Sir James Goldsmith's Referendum Party, but Sikorski made Cameron look weak and him failing in negotiations is what led to Brexit. As for the pipeline, nobody in the West has the balls, motive, or intake of alcohol to risk it but Ukrainians. That is who the Germans privately say did it too.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Another Polish Perspective

  573. @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN

    One should inquire what is the situation with private usage of solar energy, especially in Germany, e.g. whether do they have a way to count solar energy produced and used for personal needs. In Lithuania official overall electricity usage from the state grid has declined several percent, but it was due to surge of solar personal installations, on own house roofs mostly.

    Those who have this additinal source of energy at home obviously use less electricity from the state grid, even if their overall personal consumption wasn't reduced. It just isn't counted anyhow in Lithuania, cause there is no any requirements for private persons to keep the mandatory stats of their own solar energy production at home, except when they sell some back into the grid.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    One should inquire what is the situation with private usage of solar energy, especially in Germany, e.g. whether do they have a way to count solar energy produced and used for personal needs.

    Do you really believe that 13-22% reduction can reflect the use of solar instead of grid electricity? Your post sounds more like drowning man clutching at straws.

    I wonder how you explain absolute shrinking of German economy (IMF put it at 0.3% in 2023). Then again, there is a tried and true way: blame it all on Putin. After all, White house spokeswoman called raging inflation in the US “Putin’s tax”. Since Putin can tax Americans, I guess he, not the corrupt demented half-corpse in the White house, is now US president.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @AnonfromTN

    I wonder how you explain absolute shrinking of German economy (IMF put it at 0.3% in 2023). Then again, there is a tried and true way: blame it all on Putin.

    Well of course it is related to Putin's war.

    They had a natural gas price spike after the invasion and Putin was hoping to freeze German grandmas. His Russian TV thugs are on video gleefully hoping that Germans freeze to death over the sanctions.

    Germany however had a warmer than average winter and it was a stupid plan anyways. Germans have been through much worse. You can't freeze them out.

    , @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN


    Do you really believe that 13-22% reduction can reflect the use of solar instead of grid electricity?
     
    Absolutely yes, if commercial players also are included in the mix, e.g. one Lithuanian beer brewery is making 25% of its all needed electricity from rooftop solar panels and is planning to increase the share further, which automatically means equal reduction of grid electricity usage:

    https://i.postimg.cc/bvy2KGvk/svyturys.jpg


    In February, a new 1.5 MW solar power plant on the roof of Lithuania's largest brewery in Utena was switched on for trial operation. Previously, a 1 MW solar power plant was already installed here - both power plants will be able to supply 25 percent of the all electricity demand in the brewery. After the completion of the entire "Green Genius" project and the connection of a remote solar power plant, "Švyturys-Utenos alus" should produce 100 percent electricity for the brewery needs next year.

    The remaining free and suitable roofs of the factory buildings are being used for the new power plant - 3,500 solar modules are installed on them. Total power of the new and previously installed power plant is 2.5 MW. It is one of the largest power plants of this type in the Baltic States. In the spring, it will additionally be equipped with a 2 MWh capacity lithium ion energy storage system as it will allow to store excess energy and use it when needed the most.

    https://www.vz.lt/tvarus-verslas/2024/02/07/tapo-vienu-didziausiu-gaminanciu-vartotoju-lietuvoje-elektrines-galingumas-ant-utenos-daryklos-stogo-pasieke-25-mw
     

    Have no detailed knowledge of German business situation in this regard, but somehow doubt the situation could be radically different.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    Here is a good example of German economic contraction. (1)


    German manufacturing giant Miele cuts thousands of jobs, relocates production to Poland
    ___

    The household and commercial appliances maker informed employees at several production sites across Germany on Tuesday that up to 2,000 jobs are to be cut as part of tough austerity measures in a company restructuring — as many as 700 other positions could also be moved to neighboring Poland.

    “The Miele Group has also felt the effects of the global collapse in demand for household appliances and the drastic price increases on the cost side,” the company explained in a statement issued on Tuesday. It added the move to cut up to 10 percent of its workforce in Germany was “inevitable.”

    “What we are currently experiencing is not a temporary dip in the economy, but rather a lasting change in the framework conditions relevant to us that we have to adapt to,” the company added.

    It cited higher inflation as a factor affecting procurement of materials and energy, and said the restructuring was part of a wider business plan to save €500 million in expenditure by 2026.
     
    Poland is on a path towards significant inexpensive nuclear, and they are not prematurely abandoning hydrocarbons.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/poland/german-manufacturing-giant-miele-cuts-thousands-of-jobs-relocates-production-to-poland/
  574. @Another Polish Perspective
    @A123

    The tweet was by Radek Sikorski, the husband of Anne Applebaum, the former and the current Polish foreign minister.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @A123, @Sean

    The tweet was by Radek Sikorski

    Is that the same Sikorski who said that Poland is sucking imperial cock?

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @AnonfromTN

    Yesss....
    He is kind of a shameless... sucker...? (well, his wife is US citizen)
    I hate how he uses officially his nickname - Radek - as a name, instead of his real, full name, Radosław... his defiance is of a person who is too well-connected to believe anything serious can happen to him.
    He can speak Chomsky at one moment, and at another, joyfully declaring his colonial status.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AnonfromTN

  575. @John Johnson
    @Sean

    I suppose the Russian victory will be blamed on Trump even if he is years into a prison term by that time.

    What exactly do you expect that victory to look like? Taking Odessa? Marching on Kiev? Putin started this war by declaring that the goal was to stop the Eastward expansion of NATO. Well that failed so what is your metric?

    You do realize that both MacGregor and Ritter were certain that the war would be over by now? They have been wrong no less than a dozen times about Ukraine being near collapse. Ritter at least stopped talking about it and made a bunch of declarations on how the IDF would be defeated in Gaza. So he at least chose to be wrong about something else.

    Russia has a lot of men but Ukraine is building 1 million drones:
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2413260-what-does-ukraines-million-drone-army-mean-for-the-future-of-war/

    Can Russia continue to send in half-suicidal dregs to get their heads blown off by drones?

    I really don't know. My guess is that Russia will take Avidiika and then Putin will hint that he wants the war to end with current lines. Odessa is not a Russian city nor was there ever a separatist movement. The Russian speakers voted for Zelensky and not the pro-Russian parties. Trying to take a hostile port city would be a bloody mess. Putin's fans want him to take Odessa and lock down the Black Sea but bloggers aren't the ones getting their heads blown off by $250 drones.

    Trying to take hostile cities of any type with a conscript army is a very bad idea. Especially if they are half-drunk and demoralized. You need professional troops for such a task. I really don't see Putin trying to pull a Gallipoli with half-drunk dregs and conscripted Asians but he has done much dumber things like sending a slow moving 40 mile column through hostile woods.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean

    …What exactly do you expect that victory to look like?

    Winning the war. The precise lines on the map are always negotiated: Germany, Austria, Italy continued to exist after WW2 – would you claim that Russia (“Allies”) didn’t win?

    Could we at least agree that Ukraine lost the war? Kiev’s declared goals were to take back Crimea and Donbas and they failed. Nato will not be in Ukraine after a heavy investment and all the big talk so it is also a loss for them. (Ok, you got Finland, enjoy it….:) You always had it, but whatever…)

    This silly “we didn’t lose the war, look at Finland!!!” nonsense is embarrassing. It adds an insult to the injury. Man up….you lost in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Georgia, and now in Ukraine. Quite a “hegemon”…maybe focusing on problems at home would be smarter.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    …What exactly do you expect that victory to look like?
     
    Winning the war.

    That's not a definition. Putin provided his own clearly set goal of preventing NATO from moving East. Well that failed with Finland joining. How exactly does he win? Take all of Ukraine and negotiate a new security order for nearby states? I don't see that happening and he already hinted that he isn't going back to Kiev.

    The precise lines on the map are always negotiated.

    So why couldn't Ukraine declare a win using the same argument?

    Germany, Austria, Italy continued to exist after WW2 – would you claim that Russia (“Allies”) didn’t win it?

    No because the Axis surrendered to the Allies.

    Surrendering unconditionally is losing. You are letting the winners dictate the terms. It's not ambiguous at all.

    If Hitler had been able to retain power and some of his conquered territory then it would have been an armistice. His plotters within the German military were intending for exactly that outcome. They wanted to kill Hitler and then negotiate an armistice where they would maintain some Eastern territory and keep the Reich. The Nazi government would continue to exist.

    Could we at least agree that Ukraine lost the war? Kiev’s declared goals were to take back Crimea and Donbas and it failed.

    Zelensky talked of taking back Crimea and Donbas. Zelensky however is not a dictator and Ukraine is a democracy. The government would have to vote on any type of peace negotiation. Putin however made that formal definition in his invasion speech. Putin is a dictator and can declare his own terms without Duma approval. He in fact started the war without running it by the Duma.

    This silly “we didn’t lose the war, look at Finland!!!” nonsense is embarrassing.

    Not sure what you mean here. Stalin did not take all of Finland as he intended. That outcome was closer to an armistice. A loss would have made Finland a client state of the USSR just like when Stalin split Eastern Europe with Hitler. Stalin openly was trying to gobble as many countries as he could in Europe before the expected showdown with Hitler. If Finland had put up zero struggle then Stalin would have taken it all. He was however embarrassed by the global war and walked with his chunk. A scenario that could easily happen with the current war.

    Man up….you lost in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Georgia, and now in Ukraine.

    You? What do you mean by "You"? You really are prone to unhealthy US vs Them thinking. What does Georgia have to do with anything? How exactly was Iraq a loss when the main goals were met? Iraq is now a democracy and probably a healthier one at the moment than America. The cynics were wrong and the Isis state was defeated. I think you need to brush up on your history outside of Unz.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq

    It's fine to call Iraq a waste of money but the goals of the invasion were met. Saddam did not win. Maybe you missed the US finding him in a hole and then stringing him up. Losing your dictatorship and hanging by a rope is not winning nor is it a draw. That's the worst type of loss. You don't even get exile to Argentina.

    Quite a “hegemon”…maybe focusing on problems at home would be smarter.

    This is a Republic and not a direct democracy. The House Republicans are currently furious that they were unable to send Israel $14 billion in military assistance even though the IDF does not need it. I think the priority should be the border but our House Republicans feel that giving $14 billion to a middle income state with a budget surplus is the most important duty.

    This might blow your mind but I can criticize both American government and also an insecure mass murdering dwarf who can't admit his invasion was a bad idea.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

  576. @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    One should inquire what is the situation with private usage of solar energy, especially in Germany, e.g. whether do they have a way to count solar energy produced and used for personal needs.
     
    Do you really believe that 13-22% reduction can reflect the use of solar instead of grid electricity? Your post sounds more like drowning man clutching at straws.

    I wonder how you explain absolute shrinking of German economy (IMF put it at 0.3% in 2023). Then again, there is a tried and true way: blame it all on Putin. After all, White house spokeswoman called raging inflation in the US “Putin’s tax”. Since Putin can tax Americans, I guess he, not the corrupt demented half-corpse in the White house, is now US president.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death, @A123

    I wonder how you explain absolute shrinking of German economy (IMF put it at 0.3% in 2023). Then again, there is a tried and true way: blame it all on Putin.

    Well of course it is related to Putin’s war.

    They had a natural gas price spike after the invasion and Putin was hoping to freeze German grandmas. His Russian TV thugs are on video gleefully hoping that Germans freeze to death over the sanctions.

    Germany however had a warmer than average winter and it was a stupid plan anyways. Germans have been through much worse. You can’t freeze them out.

  577. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...What exactly do you expect that victory to look like?
     
    Winning the war. The precise lines on the map are always negotiated: Germany, Austria, Italy continued to exist after WW2 - would you claim that Russia ("Allies") didn't win?

    Could we at least agree that Ukraine lost the war? Kiev's declared goals were to take back Crimea and Donbas and they failed. Nato will not be in Ukraine after a heavy investment and all the big talk so it is also a loss for them. (Ok, you got Finland, enjoy it....:) You always had it, but whatever...)

    This silly "we didn't lose the war, look at Finland!!!" nonsense is embarrassing. It adds an insult to the injury. Man up....you lost in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Georgia, and now in Ukraine. Quite a "hegemon"...maybe focusing on problems at home would be smarter.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    …What exactly do you expect that victory to look like?

    Winning the war.

    That’s not a definition. Putin provided his own clearly set goal of preventing NATO from moving East. Well that failed with Finland joining. How exactly does he win? Take all of Ukraine and negotiate a new security order for nearby states? I don’t see that happening and he already hinted that he isn’t going back to Kiev.

    The precise lines on the map are always negotiated.

    So why couldn’t Ukraine declare a win using the same argument?

    Germany, Austria, Italy continued to exist after WW2 – would you claim that Russia (“Allies”) didn’t win it?

    No because the Axis surrendered to the Allies.

    Surrendering unconditionally is losing. You are letting the winners dictate the terms. It’s not ambiguous at all.

    If Hitler had been able to retain power and some of his conquered territory then it would have been an armistice. His plotters within the German military were intending for exactly that outcome. They wanted to kill Hitler and then negotiate an armistice where they would maintain some Eastern territory and keep the Reich. The Nazi government would continue to exist.

    Could we at least agree that Ukraine lost the war? Kiev’s declared goals were to take back Crimea and Donbas and it failed.

    Zelensky talked of taking back Crimea and Donbas. Zelensky however is not a dictator and Ukraine is a democracy. The government would have to vote on any type of peace negotiation. Putin however made that formal definition in his invasion speech. Putin is a dictator and can declare his own terms without Duma approval. He in fact started the war without running it by the Duma.

    [MORE]

    This silly “we didn’t lose the war, look at Finland!!!” nonsense is embarrassing.

    Not sure what you mean here. Stalin did not take all of Finland as he intended. That outcome was closer to an armistice. A loss would have made Finland a client state of the USSR just like when Stalin split Eastern Europe with Hitler. Stalin openly was trying to gobble as many countries as he could in Europe before the expected showdown with Hitler. If Finland had put up zero struggle then Stalin would have taken it all. He was however embarrassed by the global war and walked with his chunk. A scenario that could easily happen with the current war.

    Man up….you lost in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Georgia, and now in Ukraine.

    You? What do you mean by “You”? You really are prone to unhealthy US vs Them thinking. What does Georgia have to do with anything? How exactly was Iraq a loss when the main goals were met? Iraq is now a democracy and probably a healthier one at the moment than America. The cynics were wrong and the Isis state was defeated. I think you need to brush up on your history outside of Unz.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq

    It’s fine to call Iraq a waste of money but the goals of the invasion were met. Saddam did not win. Maybe you missed the US finding him in a hole and then stringing him up. Losing your dictatorship and hanging by a rope is not winning nor is it a draw. That’s the worst type of loss. You don’t even get exile to Argentina.

    Quite a “hegemon”…maybe focusing on problems at home would be smarter.

    This is a Republic and not a direct democracy. The House Republicans are currently furious that they were unable to send Israel $14 billion in military assistance even though the IDF does not need it. I think the priority should be the border but our House Republicans feel that giving $14 billion to a middle income state with a budget surplus is the most important duty.

    This might blow your mind but I can criticize both American government and also an insecure mass murdering dwarf who can’t admit his invasion was a bad idea.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...I can criticize both American government and also an insecure mass murdering dwarf
     
    Riiiight. You spend a lot of time defending the 'win in Iraq", so maybe it cuts closer to home than you admit. Iraq is Iran's ally and the war was a disaster - 'ISIS?" I am not sure who they are, but they are definitely not who you say they are. Their priority when the Gaza war started was to do a bombing in Iran...quite some "Islamists" they are. But you are gullible so go with US. vs. ISIS story. A pretty good cover by the way.

    Your "criticism" also seems verbally unhinged: "we won in Iraq, but it cost too much" vs. "dwarf who wants to destroy the world". Don't pretend, you Anglo poseur twits can be quite unbearable. Go and polish your Churchill bust - he was quite a fat mass murderer, do you know that?


    preventing NATO from moving...
     
    Russia's goal was to prevent Nato from moving to Ukraine. They achieved it.

    The precise lines on the map are always negotiated.

    So why couldn’t Ukraine declare a win using the same argument?
     

    Because they lost 20% of their territory. You call that a "win". Wow.

    Zelensky talked of taking back Crimea and Donbas.
     
    Only? No, every Ukie and Western politician did. Every single one of them: BoJo, Sholz, Biden, the Indian guy, the Nato bosses...why do you try to hide from reality so badly? They wanted Crimea and maybe even Donbas (not sure they cared) and they lost. A lost war for Ukraine and Nato. Another one in a long line of lost wars. In the meantime around 3 million illegal Third Worlders came to US in one year - how long do you think that can go on? How many will ever go back? How many chain-migrants do you think they will bring?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    If Hitler had been able to retain power and some of his conquered territory then it would have been an armistice. His plotters within the German military were intending for exactly that outcome. They wanted to kill Hitler and then negotiate an armistice where they would maintain some Eastern territory and keep the Reich. The Nazi government would continue to exist.
     
    Actually, it's possible that in such a scenario Germany would have transitioned back to Germany after the end of the war. A non-Nazi military dictatorship is also possible, but perhaps somewhat less likely.
  578. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    People were hypnotized in the 1980's by this chicken dance:

    https://youtu.be/WZJAIkmT3Rg

    Is it time to bring this craze back?

    Replies: @songbird

    People were hypnotized in the 1980’s by this chicken dance:

    Where did you see it, if you don’t mind my asking? At weddings? The wiki article suggests it was popular where polka was a thing. (The Midwest?)

    The only place I ever recall seeing it was at the local roller-derby. There was a guy in a big chicken suit skating around and encouraging people to do it. It was a regular feature of the place.

    Can’t definitely recall if I ever saw it at a wedding, but I would vaguely say no.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @songbird

    Was the chicken dance really from the 80s?

    They still do it at baseball games.

    Baseball games can get pretty damn boring.

    You would also do the chicken dance after a few beers and freezing your balls off. It's an excuse to stand up.

    Playing it at a wedding would be weird but some DJs will go through every corny dance possible.

    I am pretty good at skipping weddings but my wife said it is becoming the norm for the DJ to play some ass shaking rap song where the bride shakes it.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    JJ: I double checked wikipedia and it verifies that the first known recording was produced in 1981. Although the dance was still around in the mid to late 90's.

    songbird; I recall seeing the dance at various Ukie community dance parties (zabavas). Even at the home parties of some Ukie/Jewish friends of mine in the late 90's. It was a big hit, especially with the kids. There's a decent article about it presented by Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_Dance

  579. @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    One should inquire what is the situation with private usage of solar energy, especially in Germany, e.g. whether do they have a way to count solar energy produced and used for personal needs.
     
    Do you really believe that 13-22% reduction can reflect the use of solar instead of grid electricity? Your post sounds more like drowning man clutching at straws.

    I wonder how you explain absolute shrinking of German economy (IMF put it at 0.3% in 2023). Then again, there is a tried and true way: blame it all on Putin. After all, White house spokeswoman called raging inflation in the US “Putin’s tax”. Since Putin can tax Americans, I guess he, not the corrupt demented half-corpse in the White house, is now US president.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death, @A123

    Do you really believe that 13-22% reduction can reflect the use of solar instead of grid electricity?

    Absolutely yes, if commercial players also are included in the mix, e.g. one Lithuanian beer brewery is making 25% of its all needed electricity from rooftop solar panels and is planning to increase the share further, which automatically means equal reduction of grid electricity usage:

    In February, a new 1.5 MW solar power plant on the roof of Lithuania’s largest brewery in Utena was switched on for trial operation. Previously, a 1 MW solar power plant was already installed here – both power plants will be able to supply 25 percent of the all electricity demand in the brewery. After the completion of the entire “Green Genius” project and the connection of a remote solar power plant, “Švyturys-Utenos alus” should produce 100 percent electricity for the brewery needs next year.

    The remaining free and suitable roofs of the factory buildings are being used for the new power plant – 3,500 solar modules are installed on them. Total power of the new and previously installed power plant is 2.5 MW. It is one of the largest power plants of this type in the Baltic States. In the spring, it will additionally be equipped with a 2 MWh capacity lithium ion energy storage system as it will allow to store excess energy and use it when needed the most.

    https://www.vz.lt/tvarus-verslas/2024/02/07/tapo-vienu-didziausiu-gaminanciu-vartotoju-lietuvoje-elektrines-galingumas-ant-utenos-daryklos-stogo-pasieke-25-mw

    Have no detailed knowledge of German business situation in this regard, but somehow doubt the situation could be radically different.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    Do you really believe that 13-22% reduction can reflect the use of solar instead of grid electricity?
    Absolutely yes
     
    Than you don’t need an electric monk.

    For those who did not read Douglas Adams’ “Dirk Gently’s Holistic Detective Agency”, a couple of excerpts from it:

    “The Electric Monk was a labor-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video recorder... Electric Monks believed things for you, thus saving you what was becoming an increasingly onerous task, that of believing all the things the world expected you to believe.”

    “Unfortunately, this Electric Monk had developed a fault, and had started to believe all kinds of things, more or less at random. It was even beginning to believe things they'd have difficulty believing in Salt Lake City.”

  580. @Another Polish Perspective
    @A123

    The tweet was by Radek Sikorski, the husband of Anne Applebaum, the former and the current Polish foreign minister.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @A123, @Sean

    The tweet was by Radek Sikorski, the husband of Anne Applebaum, the former and the current Polish foreign minister.

    Thanks.

    The key take away is that the source of the tweet would not have had any operational knowledge. Politicians speculate and say things for personal gain. However, it is in no way evidence.

    While I still think it is an industrial accident, a decent case can be made for Ukrainian and/or Polish irregular forces. There is a 0% chance of such a plan reaching leak prone DC. The nattering nabobs would have blown the operation. It is quite possible that other national governments would also be kept in the dark.

    If it was a plot to increase LNG sales, why is Not-The-President Biden withholding export licenses and development. Anti-American commenters here keep trying to blame the U.S., but such charges do not hold up under even mild scrutiny. Look at the profound incompetence of the current regime. International leaders across the globe ignore their impotent flailing.

    PEACE 😇

  581. @sudden death
    @A123

    Once again we see the very steady pattern that nearly 40% of current Republican voters don't prefer Trump as their primary choice (not even to mention that 5% at this stage for Mike Pence is a LOT) so it's nice to see that figurative JJ's are large voting block in fact;)

    Replies: @A123, @Mikel

    figurative JJ’s are large voting block in fact

    Yes they are. But not nearly as large as the figurative A123’s block. The rest of us have to watch them select a nominee that will hopefully not be as bad as the half-corpse in the White House (JJ’s choice actually is worse, not so sure about A123’s).

    But at least they are entertaining. JJ believes that I am a Trump fanatic, possibly brainwashed by some televangelist, and A123 accuses me of being a Bolton admiring nevertrumper LOL. But well, we wouldn’t have only these two choices left in the GOP if their supporters weren’t like that, would we?

    As for you, have some faith. Remember that it was Trump who bombed Syria (twice), increased all types of sanctions against Russia and started supplying lethal weapons to Ukraine. I know Haley is a much more secure bet for the never ending war fans but if, by some miracle, Trump defeats the vegetable, you might be agreeably surprised with him too.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Mikel

    The most charitable interpretation of Trump behaviour I can think of - him deliberately employing Erdogan/Aliev strategy when dealing with Kremlin chimpanzee gang, e.g. lots of smiles, praises, pats on the back coupled with considerable economic cooperation, but at the same time having diversity of energy supplies or competing with RF energy, while also doing occasional shootings of RF warplanes or killings of RF pilots/peacekeepers if needed, lol

    However never have seen them in such helpless posture/performance against Putin like Trump experienced, so not a fan of such charitable explanations as BoJo's latest article;)

    https://i.postimg.cc/ZJ7wtgvG/Trump-Putin-Helsinki.jpg

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @A123
    @Mikel

    One has to doubt that JJ is Republican. He seems to have core Democrat values. All he wants is money for Kiev aggression and he has no trouble increasing illegal immigration to achieve that end.

    You could build bridges to those of us who support rational MAGA policies, but you choose not to. I do not understand why you set the standard as achieving 100% of absolutely everything instantly. Such unhinged goals cannot be met by anyone. What you demand is unreasonable.

    MAGA and RINO are very different. Trump's first term was hindered by many things:

    • No MAGA House for appropriations
    • No MAGA Senate for confirmation
    • Impeachment investigation "Russia, Russia, Russia" myth
    • Judiciary resistance
    • Deep state administrative resistance

    Would you please openly admit that Mrs. Mitch McConnell, Elaine Chao, was *not* Trump's first choice pick? She was put into that position as part of a trade. And, hers was not the only one. Given what he was up against, Trump's 1st term delivered as much as could be expected. Probably more.

    Your cult like personality obsession with Trump not delivering 100% of absolutely everything instantly is immature behaviour that you have to outgrow. Let us know when you are willing to abandon your zealotry.


    Trump ... started supplying lethal weapons to Ukraine
     
    Remember what I mentioned above? Trump was burdened with the Impeachment investigation "Russia, Russia, Russia" myth. There was only one package over $100MM and it was synched to Putin winning an election.

    It is painfully obvious that this bill passed for domestic reasons. Trump had to keep 34 Senators on board to stay in office. In military terms a small amount of money to Ukraine was a reasonable price to placate the Senate.

    There is no reason to believe there was a definitive Trump policy of aggression towards Russia. Just the opposite, the establishment hated him because he wanted to repair that relationship.

    If you would stop screeching "Orange Man Bad" at the top of your lungs, you might grasp that necessary comprises were made.

    PEACE 😇

  582. @AnonfromTN
    @Another Polish Perspective


    The tweet was by Radek Sikorski
     
    Is that the same Sikorski who said that Poland is sucking imperial cock?

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    Yesss….
    He is kind of a shameless… sucker…? (well, his wife is US citizen)
    I hate how he uses officially his nickname – Radek – as a name, instead of his real, full name, Radosław… his defiance is of a person who is too well-connected to believe anything serious can happen to him.
    He can speak Chomsky at one moment, and at another, joyfully declaring his colonial status.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Another Polish Perspective


    He is kind of a shameless… sucker…?
     
    Than he is a perfect politician with bright future in a “democracy”.
    , @AnonfromTN
    @Another Polish Perspective


    I hate how he uses officially his nickname – Radek – as a name, instead of his real, full name, Radosław…
     
    This is an American thing. Americans can pronounce Radek, but most of them are unable to say Radosław. I have a colleague whose first name is Krzysztof. I can pronounce it, but most Americans can’t, so he goes in the US by Kris.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Another Polish Perspective

  583. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    People were hypnotized in the 1980’s by this chicken dance:
     
    Where did you see it, if you don't mind my asking? At weddings? The wiki article suggests it was popular where polka was a thing. (The Midwest?)

    The only place I ever recall seeing it was at the local roller-derby. There was a guy in a big chicken suit skating around and encouraging people to do it. It was a regular feature of the place.

    Can't definitely recall if I ever saw it at a wedding, but I would vaguely say no.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. Hack

    Was the chicken dance really from the 80s?

    They still do it at baseball games.

    Baseball games can get pretty damn boring.

    You would also do the chicken dance after a few beers and freezing your balls off. It’s an excuse to stand up.

    Playing it at a wedding would be weird but some DJs will go through every corny dance possible.

    I am pretty good at skipping weddings but my wife said it is becoming the norm for the DJ to play some ass shaking rap song where the bride shakes it.

  584. @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    …What exactly do you expect that victory to look like?
     
    Winning the war.

    That's not a definition. Putin provided his own clearly set goal of preventing NATO from moving East. Well that failed with Finland joining. How exactly does he win? Take all of Ukraine and negotiate a new security order for nearby states? I don't see that happening and he already hinted that he isn't going back to Kiev.

    The precise lines on the map are always negotiated.

    So why couldn't Ukraine declare a win using the same argument?

    Germany, Austria, Italy continued to exist after WW2 – would you claim that Russia (“Allies”) didn’t win it?

    No because the Axis surrendered to the Allies.

    Surrendering unconditionally is losing. You are letting the winners dictate the terms. It's not ambiguous at all.

    If Hitler had been able to retain power and some of his conquered territory then it would have been an armistice. His plotters within the German military were intending for exactly that outcome. They wanted to kill Hitler and then negotiate an armistice where they would maintain some Eastern territory and keep the Reich. The Nazi government would continue to exist.

    Could we at least agree that Ukraine lost the war? Kiev’s declared goals were to take back Crimea and Donbas and it failed.

    Zelensky talked of taking back Crimea and Donbas. Zelensky however is not a dictator and Ukraine is a democracy. The government would have to vote on any type of peace negotiation. Putin however made that formal definition in his invasion speech. Putin is a dictator and can declare his own terms without Duma approval. He in fact started the war without running it by the Duma.

    This silly “we didn’t lose the war, look at Finland!!!” nonsense is embarrassing.

    Not sure what you mean here. Stalin did not take all of Finland as he intended. That outcome was closer to an armistice. A loss would have made Finland a client state of the USSR just like when Stalin split Eastern Europe with Hitler. Stalin openly was trying to gobble as many countries as he could in Europe before the expected showdown with Hitler. If Finland had put up zero struggle then Stalin would have taken it all. He was however embarrassed by the global war and walked with his chunk. A scenario that could easily happen with the current war.

    Man up….you lost in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Georgia, and now in Ukraine.

    You? What do you mean by "You"? You really are prone to unhealthy US vs Them thinking. What does Georgia have to do with anything? How exactly was Iraq a loss when the main goals were met? Iraq is now a democracy and probably a healthier one at the moment than America. The cynics were wrong and the Isis state was defeated. I think you need to brush up on your history outside of Unz.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq

    It's fine to call Iraq a waste of money but the goals of the invasion were met. Saddam did not win. Maybe you missed the US finding him in a hole and then stringing him up. Losing your dictatorship and hanging by a rope is not winning nor is it a draw. That's the worst type of loss. You don't even get exile to Argentina.

    Quite a “hegemon”…maybe focusing on problems at home would be smarter.

    This is a Republic and not a direct democracy. The House Republicans are currently furious that they were unable to send Israel $14 billion in military assistance even though the IDF does not need it. I think the priority should be the border but our House Republicans feel that giving $14 billion to a middle income state with a budget surplus is the most important duty.

    This might blow your mind but I can criticize both American government and also an insecure mass murdering dwarf who can't admit his invasion was a bad idea.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    …I can criticize both American government and also an insecure mass murdering dwarf

    Riiiight. You spend a lot of time defending the ‘win in Iraq”, so maybe it cuts closer to home than you admit. Iraq is Iran’s ally and the war was a disaster – ‘ISIS?” I am not sure who they are, but they are definitely not who you say they are. Their priority when the Gaza war started was to do a bombing in Iran…quite some “Islamists” they are. But you are gullible so go with US. vs. ISIS story. A pretty good cover by the way.

    Your “criticism” also seems verbally unhinged: “we won in Iraq, but it cost too much” vs. “dwarf who wants to destroy the world“. Don’t pretend, you Anglo poseur twits can be quite unbearable. Go and polish your Churchill bust – he was quite a fat mass murderer, do you know that?

    preventing NATO from moving…

    Russia’s goal was to prevent Nato from moving to Ukraine. They achieved it.

    The precise lines on the map are always negotiated.

    So why couldn’t Ukraine declare a win using the same argument?

    Because they lost 20% of their territory. You call that a “win”. Wow.

    Zelensky talked of taking back Crimea and Donbas.

    Only? No, every Ukie and Western politician did. Every single one of them: BoJo, Sholz, Biden, the Indian guy, the Nato bosses…why do you try to hide from reality so badly? They wanted Crimea and maybe even Donbas (not sure they cared) and they lost. A lost war for Ukraine and Nato. Another one in a long line of lost wars. In the meantime around 3 million illegal Third Worlders came to US in one year – how long do you think that can go on? How many will ever go back? How many chain-migrants do you think they will bring?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    Russia’s goal was to prevent Nato from moving to Ukraine. They achieved it.

     

    Except NATO is now much more militarily committed to Ukraine than it was before the start of the invasion, even if Ukraine still isn't a NATO member.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    , @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Riiiight. You spend a lot of time defending the ‘win in Iraq”, so maybe it cuts closer to home than you admit. Iraq is Iran’s ally and the war was a disaster – ‘ISIS?”

    Do explain how Saddam did not lose given that he was hung from a rope and his Baath party rule was replaced by a democracy created by the US.

    Let's just start with that.

    Your “criticism” also seems verbally unhinged: “we won in Iraq, but it cost too much” vs. “dwarf who wants to destroy the world“. Don’t pretend, you Anglo poseur twits can be quite unbearable. Go and polish your Churchill bust – he was quite a fat mass murderer, do you know that?

    There you go projecting again. Once again you assume this massive US vs THEM world where we are just as much an insecure cheerleader as you and have to defend all things Anglo or Western.

    Practically everything I have said about Chrurchhill is negative. I think it was a great betrayal that he left Poland to Stalin after declaring war against Germany as part of a pact to defend them.

    Here is a quick link to all my Churchhill comments:
    https://www.unz.com/?s=churchhill&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=John+Johnson

    Another sad projection fail by Beckow.

    Not everyone is as insecure as you and desperate to defend anything related to our country or history.

    I'll get to the rest of your post later. I have a game to attend.

  585. @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN


    Do you really believe that 13-22% reduction can reflect the use of solar instead of grid electricity?
     
    Absolutely yes, if commercial players also are included in the mix, e.g. one Lithuanian beer brewery is making 25% of its all needed electricity from rooftop solar panels and is planning to increase the share further, which automatically means equal reduction of grid electricity usage:

    https://i.postimg.cc/bvy2KGvk/svyturys.jpg


    In February, a new 1.5 MW solar power plant on the roof of Lithuania's largest brewery in Utena was switched on for trial operation. Previously, a 1 MW solar power plant was already installed here - both power plants will be able to supply 25 percent of the all electricity demand in the brewery. After the completion of the entire "Green Genius" project and the connection of a remote solar power plant, "Švyturys-Utenos alus" should produce 100 percent electricity for the brewery needs next year.

    The remaining free and suitable roofs of the factory buildings are being used for the new power plant - 3,500 solar modules are installed on them. Total power of the new and previously installed power plant is 2.5 MW. It is one of the largest power plants of this type in the Baltic States. In the spring, it will additionally be equipped with a 2 MWh capacity lithium ion energy storage system as it will allow to store excess energy and use it when needed the most.

    https://www.vz.lt/tvarus-verslas/2024/02/07/tapo-vienu-didziausiu-gaminanciu-vartotoju-lietuvoje-elektrines-galingumas-ant-utenos-daryklos-stogo-pasieke-25-mw
     

    Have no detailed knowledge of German business situation in this regard, but somehow doubt the situation could be radically different.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Do you really believe that 13-22% reduction can reflect the use of solar instead of grid electricity?
    Absolutely yes

    Than you don’t need an electric monk.

    For those who did not read Douglas Adams’ “Dirk Gently’s Holistic Detective Agency”, a couple of excerpts from it:

    “The Electric Monk was a labor-saving device, like a dishwasher or a video recorder… Electric Monks believed things for you, thus saving you what was becoming an increasingly onerous task, that of believing all the things the world expected you to believe.”

    “Unfortunately, this Electric Monk had developed a fault, and had started to believe all kinds of things, more or less at random. It was even beginning to believe things they’d have difficulty believing in Salt Lake City.”

  586. @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    …What exactly do you expect that victory to look like?
     
    Winning the war.

    That's not a definition. Putin provided his own clearly set goal of preventing NATO from moving East. Well that failed with Finland joining. How exactly does he win? Take all of Ukraine and negotiate a new security order for nearby states? I don't see that happening and he already hinted that he isn't going back to Kiev.

    The precise lines on the map are always negotiated.

    So why couldn't Ukraine declare a win using the same argument?

    Germany, Austria, Italy continued to exist after WW2 – would you claim that Russia (“Allies”) didn’t win it?

    No because the Axis surrendered to the Allies.

    Surrendering unconditionally is losing. You are letting the winners dictate the terms. It's not ambiguous at all.

    If Hitler had been able to retain power and some of his conquered territory then it would have been an armistice. His plotters within the German military were intending for exactly that outcome. They wanted to kill Hitler and then negotiate an armistice where they would maintain some Eastern territory and keep the Reich. The Nazi government would continue to exist.

    Could we at least agree that Ukraine lost the war? Kiev’s declared goals were to take back Crimea and Donbas and it failed.

    Zelensky talked of taking back Crimea and Donbas. Zelensky however is not a dictator and Ukraine is a democracy. The government would have to vote on any type of peace negotiation. Putin however made that formal definition in his invasion speech. Putin is a dictator and can declare his own terms without Duma approval. He in fact started the war without running it by the Duma.

    This silly “we didn’t lose the war, look at Finland!!!” nonsense is embarrassing.

    Not sure what you mean here. Stalin did not take all of Finland as he intended. That outcome was closer to an armistice. A loss would have made Finland a client state of the USSR just like when Stalin split Eastern Europe with Hitler. Stalin openly was trying to gobble as many countries as he could in Europe before the expected showdown with Hitler. If Finland had put up zero struggle then Stalin would have taken it all. He was however embarrassed by the global war and walked with his chunk. A scenario that could easily happen with the current war.

    Man up….you lost in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Georgia, and now in Ukraine.

    You? What do you mean by "You"? You really are prone to unhealthy US vs Them thinking. What does Georgia have to do with anything? How exactly was Iraq a loss when the main goals were met? Iraq is now a democracy and probably a healthier one at the moment than America. The cynics were wrong and the Isis state was defeated. I think you need to brush up on your history outside of Unz.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq

    It's fine to call Iraq a waste of money but the goals of the invasion were met. Saddam did not win. Maybe you missed the US finding him in a hole and then stringing him up. Losing your dictatorship and hanging by a rope is not winning nor is it a draw. That's the worst type of loss. You don't even get exile to Argentina.

    Quite a “hegemon”…maybe focusing on problems at home would be smarter.

    This is a Republic and not a direct democracy. The House Republicans are currently furious that they were unable to send Israel $14 billion in military assistance even though the IDF does not need it. I think the priority should be the border but our House Republicans feel that giving $14 billion to a middle income state with a budget surplus is the most important duty.

    This might blow your mind but I can criticize both American government and also an insecure mass murdering dwarf who can't admit his invasion was a bad idea.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    If Hitler had been able to retain power and some of his conquered territory then it would have been an armistice. His plotters within the German military were intending for exactly that outcome. They wanted to kill Hitler and then negotiate an armistice where they would maintain some Eastern territory and keep the Reich. The Nazi government would continue to exist.

    Actually, it’s possible that in such a scenario Germany would have transitioned back to Germany after the end of the war. A non-Nazi military dictatorship is also possible, but perhaps somewhat less likely.

  587. @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death


    One should inquire what is the situation with private usage of solar energy, especially in Germany, e.g. whether do they have a way to count solar energy produced and used for personal needs.
     
    Do you really believe that 13-22% reduction can reflect the use of solar instead of grid electricity? Your post sounds more like drowning man clutching at straws.

    I wonder how you explain absolute shrinking of German economy (IMF put it at 0.3% in 2023). Then again, there is a tried and true way: blame it all on Putin. After all, White house spokeswoman called raging inflation in the US “Putin’s tax”. Since Putin can tax Americans, I guess he, not the corrupt demented half-corpse in the White house, is now US president.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @sudden death, @A123

    Here is a good example of German economic contraction. (1)

    German manufacturing giant Miele cuts thousands of jobs, relocates production to Poland
    ___

    The household and commercial appliances maker informed employees at several production sites across Germany on Tuesday that up to 2,000 jobs are to be cut as part of tough austerity measures in a company restructuring — as many as 700 other positions could also be moved to neighboring Poland.

    “The Miele Group has also felt the effects of the global collapse in demand for household appliances and the drastic price increases on the cost side,” the company explained in a statement issued on Tuesday. It added the move to cut up to 10 percent of its workforce in Germany was “inevitable.”

    “What we are currently experiencing is not a temporary dip in the economy, but rather a lasting change in the framework conditions relevant to us that we have to adapt to,” the company added.

    It cited higher inflation as a factor affecting procurement of materials and energy, and said the restructuring was part of a wider business plan to save €500 million in expenditure by 2026.

    Poland is on a path towards significant inexpensive nuclear, and they are not prematurely abandoning hydrocarbons.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/poland/german-manufacturing-giant-miele-cuts-thousands-of-jobs-relocates-production-to-poland/

  588. @Another Polish Perspective
    @AnonfromTN

    Yesss....
    He is kind of a shameless... sucker...? (well, his wife is US citizen)
    I hate how he uses officially his nickname - Radek - as a name, instead of his real, full name, Radosław... his defiance is of a person who is too well-connected to believe anything serious can happen to him.
    He can speak Chomsky at one moment, and at another, joyfully declaring his colonial status.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AnonfromTN

    He is kind of a shameless… sucker…?

    Than he is a perfect politician with bright future in a “democracy”.

  589. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...I can criticize both American government and also an insecure mass murdering dwarf
     
    Riiiight. You spend a lot of time defending the 'win in Iraq", so maybe it cuts closer to home than you admit. Iraq is Iran's ally and the war was a disaster - 'ISIS?" I am not sure who they are, but they are definitely not who you say they are. Their priority when the Gaza war started was to do a bombing in Iran...quite some "Islamists" they are. But you are gullible so go with US. vs. ISIS story. A pretty good cover by the way.

    Your "criticism" also seems verbally unhinged: "we won in Iraq, but it cost too much" vs. "dwarf who wants to destroy the world". Don't pretend, you Anglo poseur twits can be quite unbearable. Go and polish your Churchill bust - he was quite a fat mass murderer, do you know that?


    preventing NATO from moving...
     
    Russia's goal was to prevent Nato from moving to Ukraine. They achieved it.

    The precise lines on the map are always negotiated.

    So why couldn’t Ukraine declare a win using the same argument?
     

    Because they lost 20% of their territory. You call that a "win". Wow.

    Zelensky talked of taking back Crimea and Donbas.
     
    Only? No, every Ukie and Western politician did. Every single one of them: BoJo, Sholz, Biden, the Indian guy, the Nato bosses...why do you try to hide from reality so badly? They wanted Crimea and maybe even Donbas (not sure they cared) and they lost. A lost war for Ukraine and Nato. Another one in a long line of lost wars. In the meantime around 3 million illegal Third Worlders came to US in one year - how long do you think that can go on? How many will ever go back? How many chain-migrants do you think they will bring?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson

    Russia’s goal was to prevent Nato from moving to Ukraine. They achieved it.

    Except NATO is now much more militarily committed to Ukraine than it was before the start of the invasion, even if Ukraine still isn’t a NATO member.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...NATO is now much more militarily committed to Ukraine than it was before
     
    What does that mean? Is Nato going to build bases and place missiles in Ukraine? "Commitment" is a weasel term, it means whatever people want it to mean...Without Nato membership the rump-Ukraine has little chance to be in EU. Double-loss.

    You are fooling yourself, Russia won this part of the confrontation. Plus the Nato dreams of Crimea - they are gone too...When are you going to wake up and see the reality?

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    , @A123
    @Mr. XYZ


    NATO is now much more militarily committed to Ukraine than it was before the start of the invasion,
     
    America is walking away, thus regaining national prestige and honour.

    If you want to say Scholz & Macron are military committed, that is vaguely plausible. However, there is still no strategy for a military victory. And, there is no guarantee either of those leaders will win the next round of elections in their countries. France is particularly restive.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  590. @Mikel
    @sudden death


    figurative JJ’s are large voting block in fact
     
    Yes they are. But not nearly as large as the figurative A123's block. The rest of us have to watch them select a nominee that will hopefully not be as bad as the half-corpse in the White House (JJ's choice actually is worse, not so sure about A123's).

    But at least they are entertaining. JJ believes that I am a Trump fanatic, possibly brainwashed by some televangelist, and A123 accuses me of being a Bolton admiring nevertrumper LOL. But well, we wouldn't have only these two choices left in the GOP if their supporters weren't like that, would we?

    As for you, have some faith. Remember that it was Trump who bombed Syria (twice), increased all types of sanctions against Russia and started supplying lethal weapons to Ukraine. I know Haley is a much more secure bet for the never ending war fans but if, by some miracle, Trump defeats the vegetable, you might be agreeably surprised with him too.

    Replies: @sudden death, @A123

    The most charitable interpretation of Trump behaviour I can think of – him deliberately employing Erdogan/Aliev strategy when dealing with Kremlin chimpanzee gang, e.g. lots of smiles, praises, pats on the back coupled with considerable economic cooperation, but at the same time having diversity of energy supplies or competing with RF energy, while also doing occasional shootings of RF warplanes or killings of RF pilots/peacekeepers if needed, lol

    However never have seen them in such helpless posture/performance against Putin like Trump experienced, so not a fan of such charitable explanations as BoJo’s latest article;)

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @sudden death

    Latest results of Erdogan strategy when dealing with Kremlin chimpanzees;)


    February 7, 2024
    ANKARA — Baykar, the manufacturer of Bayraktar drones, has started construction work at its factory in Ukraine, according to CEO Haluk Bayraktar.

    "Our factory is being built. … We need about 12 months to finish construction and then we will move on to internal machinery, equipment and organizational structure," Bayraktar was quoted as telling Reuters on Tuesday in Riyadh, where he attended the World Defense Show in Riyadh.

    Bayraktar brushed aside a question about security issues stemming from the ongoing Russian war against Ukraine that is nearing its two-year mark, saying the works were “fully moving ahead” and that “nothing” could halt the process, according to the report.

    In 2019, Baykar and an Ukrainian state-owned defense company signed a deal for joint production of Baykar drones, but the Russian invasion impeded the process.

    In August, Ukrainian plane engine manufacturer Motor Sich, a company working with Baykar, came under attack by Russia. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said the company's facilities in Zaporizhzhya were struck by Russian forces.

    Motor Sich and Ivchenko-Progress, another Ukrainian company, have been supplying engines to Baykar drones under a 2021 deal, Baykar’s website shows.

    Baykar, which is owned by the family of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s younger son-in-law, Selcuk Bayraktar, has been supplying Bayraktar TB2 drones to Ukraine since 2018.

    The drones proved particularly useful in the country’s defense against Russia, with Zelenskyy awarding Bayraktar family members with state order.

    Speaking to Reuters, Haluk Bayraktar said that it remains unclear whether the factory will manufacture the TB2s identified with the Baykar brand or its newer version TB3s.

    In addition to Ukraine, Baykar drones have been exported to 33 countries.
     

    https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2024/02/turkeys-manufacturer-bayraktar-drones-building-plant-ukraine

    So if Trump repeats this and manages to build some local HIMARS munition factory in UA too, he can even start French kissing Putin like Brezhnev did with Honnecker at the time, wouldn't care at all then;)

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  591. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    Russia’s goal was to prevent Nato from moving to Ukraine. They achieved it.

     

    Except NATO is now much more militarily committed to Ukraine than it was before the start of the invasion, even if Ukraine still isn't a NATO member.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    …NATO is now much more militarily committed to Ukraine than it was before

    What does that mean? Is Nato going to build bases and place missiles in Ukraine? “Commitment” is a weasel term, it means whatever people want it to mean…Without Nato membership the rump-Ukraine has little chance to be in EU. Double-loss.

    You are fooling yourself, Russia won this part of the confrontation. Plus the Nato dreams of Crimea – they are gone too…When are you going to wake up and see the reality?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Beckow


    Is Nato going to build bases and place missiles in Ukraine
     
    Says Beckow from some remote planet, when on planet Earth and thanx to RF invasion, the newest NATO made missiles from UA airspace are blowing up RF newest submarines or buildings in Sevastopol, lol

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    By "committed", I meant to the extent that NATO nowadays likely arms Ukraine considerably more than it did back in 2021.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Also, did NATO ever express an interest in any Ukrainian bases or in stationing missiles in Ukraine? Even right now, NATO actually appears to be very restrained in Eastern Europe.

    Replies: @Beckow, @YetAnotherAnon

  592. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...NATO is now much more militarily committed to Ukraine than it was before
     
    What does that mean? Is Nato going to build bases and place missiles in Ukraine? "Commitment" is a weasel term, it means whatever people want it to mean...Without Nato membership the rump-Ukraine has little chance to be in EU. Double-loss.

    You are fooling yourself, Russia won this part of the confrontation. Plus the Nato dreams of Crimea - they are gone too...When are you going to wake up and see the reality?

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    Is Nato going to build bases and place missiles in Ukraine

    Says Beckow from some remote planet, when on planet Earth and thanx to RF invasion, the newest NATO made missiles from UA airspace are blowing up RF newest submarines or buildings in Sevastopol, lol

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @sudden death

    Sure, today they are - there is a war. We all know that when the war ends it will be gone - even a simpleton like you knows it. But Nato in Ukraine with permanent bases-missiles is not going to happen now. How about that?

  593. @Mikel
    @sudden death


    figurative JJ’s are large voting block in fact
     
    Yes they are. But not nearly as large as the figurative A123's block. The rest of us have to watch them select a nominee that will hopefully not be as bad as the half-corpse in the White House (JJ's choice actually is worse, not so sure about A123's).

    But at least they are entertaining. JJ believes that I am a Trump fanatic, possibly brainwashed by some televangelist, and A123 accuses me of being a Bolton admiring nevertrumper LOL. But well, we wouldn't have only these two choices left in the GOP if their supporters weren't like that, would we?

    As for you, have some faith. Remember that it was Trump who bombed Syria (twice), increased all types of sanctions against Russia and started supplying lethal weapons to Ukraine. I know Haley is a much more secure bet for the never ending war fans but if, by some miracle, Trump defeats the vegetable, you might be agreeably surprised with him too.

    Replies: @sudden death, @A123

    One has to doubt that JJ is Republican. He seems to have core Democrat values. All he wants is money for Kiev aggression and he has no trouble increasing illegal immigration to achieve that end.

    You could build bridges to those of us who support rational MAGA policies, but you choose not to. I do not understand why you set the standard as achieving 100% of absolutely everything instantly. Such unhinged goals cannot be met by anyone. What you demand is unreasonable.

    MAGA and RINO are very different. Trump’s first term was hindered by many things:

    • No MAGA House for appropriations
    • No MAGA Senate for confirmation
    • Impeachment investigation “Russia, Russia, Russia” myth
    • Judiciary resistance
    • Deep state administrative resistance

    Would you please openly admit that Mrs. Mitch McConnell, Elaine Chao, was *not* Trump’s first choice pick? She was put into that position as part of a trade. And, hers was not the only one. Given what he was up against, Trump’s 1st term delivered as much as could be expected. Probably more.

    Your cult like personality obsession with Trump not delivering 100% of absolutely everything instantly is immature behaviour that you have to outgrow. Let us know when you are willing to abandon your zealotry.

    Trump … started supplying lethal weapons to Ukraine

    Remember what I mentioned above? Trump was burdened with the Impeachment investigation “Russia, Russia, Russia” myth. There was only one package over $100MM and it was synched to Putin winning an election.

    It is painfully obvious that this bill passed for domestic reasons. Trump had to keep 34 Senators on board to stay in office. In military terms a small amount of money to Ukraine was a reasonable price to placate the Senate.

    There is no reason to believe there was a definitive Trump policy of aggression towards Russia. Just the opposite, the establishment hated him because he wanted to repair that relationship.

    If you would stop screeching “Orange Man Bad” at the top of your lungs, you might grasp that necessary comprises were made.

    PEACE 😇

  594. @Another Polish Perspective
    @AnonfromTN

    Yesss....
    He is kind of a shameless... sucker...? (well, his wife is US citizen)
    I hate how he uses officially his nickname - Radek - as a name, instead of his real, full name, Radosław... his defiance is of a person who is too well-connected to believe anything serious can happen to him.
    He can speak Chomsky at one moment, and at another, joyfully declaring his colonial status.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @AnonfromTN

    I hate how he uses officially his nickname – Radek – as a name, instead of his real, full name, Radosław…

    This is an American thing. Americans can pronounce Radek, but most of them are unable to say Radosław. I have a colleague whose first name is Krzysztof. I can pronounce it, but most Americans can’t, so he goes in the US by Kris.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AnonfromTN

    Similar to how someone named Lyudmila in Russia can go by Lucy here in the US. Or, to use a Mexican example, someone named Betsabe can go by Betsy here in the US. Or a Muslim named Mohammed Suleiman can go by Moe Slyman after moving over here to the US.

    , @Another Polish Perspective
    @AnonfromTN

    Yes, but he is living in Poland and representing Poland, not USA. So why the name for the English in Poland?
    He is kind of flamboyant. At his request, a separate, official name for the map was made for the now-separately-named place he lives in: Chobielin Dwór. I wouldn't be totally surprised if one day he said he was gay. After all, Anne Applebaum is not a paragon of beauty.

    To compare, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who at least did represent USA, in Poland was always Zbigniew, not Zbig.

    Replies: @sudden death, @AnonfromTN, @AP

  595. I don’t expect to learn anything interesting and Tucker probably wouldn’t be able to come up with hard questions even if he was allowed to. But it’s so nice to watch the army of angry wasps stinging right and left, including some commenters here, after Tucker stirred up their nest. He could have done things better but Elon’s takeover of Twitter was worth it just for moments like this.

    Relax guys, this is just a journalist interviewing the president of a foreign country and providing the other side’s view. Apparently, some EEs wouldn’t know but stuff like this was so normal not so long ago, like when British journalist Julian Manyon interviewed General Galtieri on the eve of the Falklands War, for example. Nobody batted an eye at a journalist doing his job and rather than being cancelled, he actually went on to work for the BBC and ITN. All this uproar is doing is just maximizing the audience for Tucker’s interview.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mikel


    like when British journalist Julian Manyon interviewed General Galtieri on the eve of the Falklands War, for example.
     
    That was a different era, when there still was journalism in the West. Now all real journalists are being cancelled, only presstitutes are needed in the MSM.

    Welcome to Orwell’s “1984”. When I read it many years ago, I thought it’s a dystopia. Now I know that Orwell was simply prescient. His “some animals are more equal than others” was also prescient, although it seemed like satire at the time.
  596. Kharkiv isn’t going to be easy to storm…would you really waste so many lives where a simpler strategy is at hand…just bypass them and join a pincer going west, once behind the front line they are cutoff from their supplies…they aren’t going anywhere.

    With this strategy you would leave utilities alone giving a feeling of normalcy but the shelves will empty day by day, if you leave some luxury its amazing how little tolerance people have for minor inconvenience compared with taking everything. You might even let something through like toilet paper…which will be no good if your not eating.

  597. @QCIC
    @songbird

    Chicken hypnosis is fascinating to see in person. I guess human hypnosis would be even more so if it is real!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0oMP5jyV7I

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    I guess human hypnosis would be even more so if it is real!

    Have seen it three times, and even felt my fingers moving together once. Would say it is undoubtedly real, just not an an unconscious or subconscious state.

    Self-hypnosis is supposed to be very useful for pain management, but it is only marginally known since megacorps can’t profit from it.

    Other day, I saw a clip of a crow doing different things, such as fetching a guy’s slippers and keys. One thing that surprised me was seeing it move bricks. If they were bigger, maybe they would lay them and spread mortar on them.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @songbird

    Or drop the bricks from a great height!

  598. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    Russia’s goal was to prevent Nato from moving to Ukraine. They achieved it.

     

    Except NATO is now much more militarily committed to Ukraine than it was before the start of the invasion, even if Ukraine still isn't a NATO member.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    NATO is now much more militarily committed to Ukraine than it was before the start of the invasion,

    America is walking away, thus regaining national prestige and honour.

    If you want to say Scholz & Macron are military committed, that is vaguely plausible. However, there is still no strategy for a military victory. And, there is no guarantee either of those leaders will win the next round of elections in their countries. France is particularly restive.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @A123


    America is walking away, thus regaining national prestige and honour.

     

    I'm not quite sure of this yet:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/01/30/joe-biden-is-arming-greece-so-greece-can-arm-ukraine-and-pro-russia-republicans-cant-stop-him/?sh=72bad572424e
  599. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...NATO is now much more militarily committed to Ukraine than it was before
     
    What does that mean? Is Nato going to build bases and place missiles in Ukraine? "Commitment" is a weasel term, it means whatever people want it to mean...Without Nato membership the rump-Ukraine has little chance to be in EU. Double-loss.

    You are fooling yourself, Russia won this part of the confrontation. Plus the Nato dreams of Crimea - they are gone too...When are you going to wake up and see the reality?

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    By “committed”, I meant to the extent that NATO nowadays likely arms Ukraine considerably more than it did back in 2021.

  600. @A123
    @Mr. XYZ


    NATO is now much more militarily committed to Ukraine than it was before the start of the invasion,
     
    America is walking away, thus regaining national prestige and honour.

    If you want to say Scholz & Macron are military committed, that is vaguely plausible. However, there is still no strategy for a military victory. And, there is no guarantee either of those leaders will win the next round of elections in their countries. France is particularly restive.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    America is walking away, thus regaining national prestige and honour.

    I’m not quite sure of this yet:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/01/30/joe-biden-is-arming-greece-so-greece-can-arm-ukraine-and-pro-russia-republicans-cant-stop-him/?sh=72bad572424e

  601. @AnonfromTN
    @Another Polish Perspective


    I hate how he uses officially his nickname – Radek – as a name, instead of his real, full name, Radosław…
     
    This is an American thing. Americans can pronounce Radek, but most of them are unable to say Radosław. I have a colleague whose first name is Krzysztof. I can pronounce it, but most Americans can’t, so he goes in the US by Kris.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Another Polish Perspective

    Similar to how someone named Lyudmila in Russia can go by Lucy here in the US. Or, to use a Mexican example, someone named Betsabe can go by Betsy here in the US. Or a Muslim named Mohammed Suleiman can go by Moe Slyman after moving over here to the US.

  602. Hollywood made and remade a horror movie called The Fly about new technology causing an inventor to transform into a monster fly-man.

    India made a movie called The Fly about a guy being reincarnated as a fly.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eega

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I've never seen the Indian version, but I've alway been a sucker to watch most any film starring Vincent Price. This one was so creepy and funny, I'm sure that I watched it at least two times.

    https://youtu.be/Xjuocw-_NlY

    "Hedison's "Fly" costume featured a 20-pound (9.1 kg) fly's head, about which he said: "Trying to act in it was like trying to play the piano with boxing gloves on".[11]"

    Replies: @songbird

  603. @Mikel
    I don't expect to learn anything interesting and Tucker probably wouldn't be able to come up with hard questions even if he was allowed to. But it's so nice to watch the army of angry wasps stinging right and left, including some commenters here, after Tucker stirred up their nest. He could have done things better but Elon's takeover of Twitter was worth it just for moments like this.

    Relax guys, this is just a journalist interviewing the president of a foreign country and providing the other side's view. Apparently, some EEs wouldn't know but stuff like this was so normal not so long ago, like when British journalist Julian Manyon interviewed General Galtieri on the eve of the Falklands War, for example. Nobody batted an eye at a journalist doing his job and rather than being cancelled, he actually went on to work for the BBC and ITN. All this uproar is doing is just maximizing the audience for Tucker's interview.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    like when British journalist Julian Manyon interviewed General Galtieri on the eve of the Falklands War, for example.

    That was a different era, when there still was journalism in the West. Now all real journalists are being cancelled, only presstitutes are needed in the MSM.

    Welcome to Orwell’s “1984”. When I read it many years ago, I thought it’s a dystopia. Now I know that Orwell was simply prescient. His “some animals are more equal than others” was also prescient, although it seemed like satire at the time.

  604. @sudden death
    @Mikel

    The most charitable interpretation of Trump behaviour I can think of - him deliberately employing Erdogan/Aliev strategy when dealing with Kremlin chimpanzee gang, e.g. lots of smiles, praises, pats on the back coupled with considerable economic cooperation, but at the same time having diversity of energy supplies or competing with RF energy, while also doing occasional shootings of RF warplanes or killings of RF pilots/peacekeepers if needed, lol

    However never have seen them in such helpless posture/performance against Putin like Trump experienced, so not a fan of such charitable explanations as BoJo's latest article;)

    https://i.postimg.cc/ZJ7wtgvG/Trump-Putin-Helsinki.jpg

    Replies: @sudden death

    Latest results of Erdogan strategy when dealing with Kremlin chimpanzees;)

    February 7, 2024
    ANKARA — Baykar, the manufacturer of Bayraktar drones, has started construction work at its factory in Ukraine, according to CEO Haluk Bayraktar.

    “Our factory is being built. … We need about 12 months to finish construction and then we will move on to internal machinery, equipment and organizational structure,” Bayraktar was quoted as telling Reuters on Tuesday in Riyadh, where he attended the World Defense Show in Riyadh.

    Bayraktar brushed aside a question about security issues stemming from the ongoing Russian war against Ukraine that is nearing its two-year mark, saying the works were “fully moving ahead” and that “nothing” could halt the process, according to the report.

    In 2019, Baykar and an Ukrainian state-owned defense company signed a deal for joint production of Baykar drones, but the Russian invasion impeded the process.

    In August, Ukrainian plane engine manufacturer Motor Sich, a company working with Baykar, came under attack by Russia. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said the company’s facilities in Zaporizhzhya were struck by Russian forces.

    Motor Sich and Ivchenko-Progress, another Ukrainian company, have been supplying engines to Baykar drones under a 2021 deal, Baykar’s website shows.

    Baykar, which is owned by the family of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s younger son-in-law, Selcuk Bayraktar, has been supplying Bayraktar TB2 drones to Ukraine since 2018.

    The drones proved particularly useful in the country’s defense against Russia, with Zelenskyy awarding Bayraktar family members with state order.

    Speaking to Reuters, Haluk Bayraktar said that it remains unclear whether the factory will manufacture the TB2s identified with the Baykar brand or its newer version TB3s.

    In addition to Ukraine, Baykar drones have been exported to 33 countries.

    https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2024/02/turkeys-manufacturer-bayraktar-drones-building-plant-ukraine

    So if Trump repeats this and manages to build some local HIMARS munition factory in UA too, he can even start French kissing Putin like Brezhnev did with Honnecker at the time, wouldn’t care at all then;)

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @sudden death

    Bayraktar drones were all the rage in summer 2022. Not quite so much now.

    Russia has been a bit behind on satellite intel. I assume they'll wait for it to be nearly finished before bombing it.

    It may all be a tad academic by summer 2025. Inshallah.

  605. @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN

    Another interesting thing was said the other day by Boris Kovalchuk, head of InterRAO- since SMO started Germany electricity usage down by 13%, UK's down by 22%!!
    Russian's increased by 8%.

    So it's a clear sign for Germany, France, UK, Italy etc of greatly reduced industrial output - and greater amount of those in West working from home throughout the week following coronavirus which you would think is also significant reduce electricity demand

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN, @AP

    Another interesting thing was said the other day by Boris Kovalchuk, head of InterRAO- since SMO started Germany electricity usage down by 13%, UK’s down by 22%!!

    22% was the decrease in use of fossil fuels in the UK in 2023. Not decrease in energy use.

    Sovoks are incredibly gullible.

    https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-uk-electricity-from-fossil-fuels-drops-to-lowest-level-since-1957/

    The amount of UK electricity generated from fossil fuels fell 22% year-on-year in 2023 to the lowest level since 1957, Carbon Brief analysis reveals.

    Electricity from fossil fuels has now fallen by two-thirds (199TWh) since peaking in 2008. Within that total, coal has dropped by 115TWh (97%) and gas by 80TWh (45%).

    These declines have been caused by the rapid expansion of renewable energy (up six-fold since 2008, some 113TWh) and by lower electricity demand (down 21% since 2008, some 83TWh).

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @AP

    Electricity demand in the UK is down because

    a) the price has more or less doubled so people use less.

    b) the UK has less and less industry to use it.

    Veering off topic, but the UK government energy policy is suicidally stupid.

    They want to stop using coal and oil, which in the rest of the world are being burned at record levels - replacing oil and gas heating by electric heat pumps, mostly made in the countries burning coal and oil. They also want Brits to drive electric cars - again mostly made in coal-burning China - Tesla 3s from Shanghai, MGs and Polestars from China.

    But...

    a) houses aren't insulated well enough for heat pumps, and radiators and pipes will need replacing - huge job

    b) this implies a DOUBLING of electricity generation, which also implies a huge new network of power lines all over our formerly green and not so pleasant land

    c) the government tied themselves a decade ago to France's EDF, whose next-gen nuclear reactors are alas crap, way behind schedule and way over cost. Just to add to their issues, the le Creusot Forge who make all the steel pressure vessels turned out to have been fiddling their quality control figures since 1965!

    So UK energy policy is going to hit the buffers big time.

    You'd think the UK government had been controlled since 1979 by foreigners who hate the British people. It would certainly explain our trajectory.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP


    22% was the decrease in use of fossil fuels in the UK in 2023. Not decrease in energy use.

    Sovoks are incredibly gullible.
     
    LMAO liar - Err, no you cretin - as I said, it's 22% electricity use DOWN in UK.
    It's so amusingly pitiful to see how desperate clowns such as yourself are to try and falsely disprove the obvious. The only reason I am not calling you a fantasist retard in this post, is because the other ridiculous failure - the Black Russian c*nt " Sudden Death" is the current "King" of this position.

    We know dumb American education puts you at a massive disadvantage, but let me give you a simple formula that even human garbage like you can understand:

    Less electricity demand= less electricity use.
     
    I know that simple equation would be good enough to make me classify as a Professor at University of Lvov/spasticsville - but even a 2 year old should understand it, just like even a 1 year old can see through your hopeless misdirection

    The information is clear that UK electricity use is massively down. Big difference between 2022 compared to 2018. Crucially post-coronavirus 2022 electricity is less than 2021. The source for UK 2023 data is just from Kovalchuk......but as he is a successful executive of a very successful and profitable energy company (lol something Banderastan state and private companies can only dream of) .....his claims are 100% credible and true of 22% decrease

    He also makes point that carbon use is increased in Europe since SMO- which is against much of their stated objectives and green energy PR BS. UK doesn't use much, if any coal, but Germany certainly does. Population increase from 1-2 million ukrops plus other migrants/refugees and own natural growth should indicate nearly as big concern of Germany's 13% decline as the UK's 22%.
    All done for the purpose of "helping" a fake,loser,disaster of a country that can't govern itself and where the puppet leaders are desperate for this ongoing khokholcaust, as it actually gives them more money.

    May be so, the point is that UK energy use being down 22% was an absurdity.

    You also forgot improved efficiency.
     
    Obvious truth , not "absurdity" you bimbo.Efficiency has been improving incrementally every year for 25 years - it has zero connection to the large drop-off in electricity here ( and I already generously allowed the people working from home theory, even though it's clear that sharp drop in industrial output is the main thing).
    Getting individual homes, factories, buildings rebuilt or refitted in number with these efficiencies is a 15-20 year process for a big country, as it would only be the "new-build" homes, blocks or factories that are fitted immediately with these energy-saving materials- and they wouldn't even come close to explaining a 20% + reduction . Some European countries the planning permission from local authorities is easy , others very difficult to be allowed to rebuild/retrofit a house anyway, particularly if the neighbours are against it. That's for the material efficiency , but for the electric technological efficiency its the same story for utilities equipment that are adapted to take advantage of this - which even in the future shouldn't reduce usage by this large amount.

    Sovoks are incredibly gullible.
     
    Soviets were genius as mass electrification projects you dipshit. The whole world has much to thank them for. Anyway, I suppose the next amusing BS will, by again parasiting of the SOVIET reputation for high class study in Materials science, some ameoba-brained reject will make some false claim "great Ukrainian nation has invented" some material that explains the minus 3570% reduction in energy use in 404!!!

    Replies: @AP

  606. @AnonfromTN
    @Another Polish Perspective


    I hate how he uses officially his nickname – Radek – as a name, instead of his real, full name, Radosław…
     
    This is an American thing. Americans can pronounce Radek, but most of them are unable to say Radosław. I have a colleague whose first name is Krzysztof. I can pronounce it, but most Americans can’t, so he goes in the US by Kris.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Another Polish Perspective

    Yes, but he is living in Poland and representing Poland, not USA. So why the name for the English in Poland?
    He is kind of flamboyant. At his request, a separate, official name for the map was made for the now-separately-named place he lives in: Chobielin Dwór. I wouldn’t be totally surprised if one day he said he was gay. After all, Anne Applebaum is not a paragon of beauty.

    To compare, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who at least did represent USA, in Poland was always Zbigniew, not Zbig.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Anne Applebaum is not a paragon of beauty
     
    Matter of taste of course, but imho she's wayyy more attratctive than some MTG type, lol

    https://www.anneapplebaum.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/IMG_2869-1536x1024.jpg

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Yes, but he is living in Poland and representing Poland, not USA
     
    Wherever he lives, he represents neither Poland nor the US. He represents the mafia that currently controls the empire and all its vassals. Some say this mafia are neocons, some say libtards, some say both. I think their only interests are money and power. They are “patriots” of themselves, not of any particular country.
    , @AP
    @Another Polish Perspective


    After all, Anne Applebaum is not a paragon of beauty.
     
    They met as young students. Her being an American (albeit her Jewish ancestors were from Poland) may have attracted her to him in the 1980s.

    They are sort of a matching couple (I couldn't find any old photos though), she is not ugly:

    https://c8.alamy.com/comp/WR4PGK/25-01-2014-warsaw-poland-pictured-radoslaw-sikorski-with-his-wife-anne-applebaum-WR4PGK.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @Another Polish Perspective

  607. @John Johnson
    @Sean

    I suppose the Russian victory will be blamed on Trump even if he is years into a prison term by that time.

    What exactly do you expect that victory to look like? Taking Odessa? Marching on Kiev? Putin started this war by declaring that the goal was to stop the Eastward expansion of NATO. Well that failed so what is your metric?

    You do realize that both MacGregor and Ritter were certain that the war would be over by now? They have been wrong no less than a dozen times about Ukraine being near collapse. Ritter at least stopped talking about it and made a bunch of declarations on how the IDF would be defeated in Gaza. So he at least chose to be wrong about something else.

    Russia has a lot of men but Ukraine is building 1 million drones:
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2413260-what-does-ukraines-million-drone-army-mean-for-the-future-of-war/

    Can Russia continue to send in half-suicidal dregs to get their heads blown off by drones?

    I really don't know. My guess is that Russia will take Avidiika and then Putin will hint that he wants the war to end with current lines. Odessa is not a Russian city nor was there ever a separatist movement. The Russian speakers voted for Zelensky and not the pro-Russian parties. Trying to take a hostile port city would be a bloody mess. Putin's fans want him to take Odessa and lock down the Black Sea but bloggers aren't the ones getting their heads blown off by $250 drones.

    Trying to take hostile cities of any type with a conscript army is a very bad idea. Especially if they are half-drunk and demoralized. You need professional troops for such a task. I really don't see Putin trying to pull a Gallipoli with half-drunk dregs and conscripted Asians but he has done much dumber things like sending a slow moving 40 mile column through hostile woods.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean

    What exactly do you expect that victory to look like?

    The mass of the population in Ukraine losing faith in the war after it become evident the lost territories cannot be regained by military force, and the bulk of men mobilised will be going to their deaths in brutish Verdun type struggles .

    Can Russia continue to send in half-suicidal dregs to get their heads blown off by drones?

    The implication here is that quality is the Ukrainian strongpoint, but such is not the case because although in 2022 Ukraine was fielding more troops by the time Bakhmut fell Russia had the numerical advantage, and Ukraine has not won a victory since. In a nutshell the number of Russian troops appearing on the battlefield is increasing all the time now and whatever the theoretical male population of military age, the practical political situation is Ukraine is such the leadership feel unable to keep up in manpower, which is why Zelensky not only could not accede to the commander Zaluzhnyi request for half a million more troops, but sacked him for making it.

    Russia has a lot of men but Ukraine is building 1 million drones:

    Zaluzhnyi said the technological factors preventing the concentration of mobile defences for tank drives in rear areas is not battlefield but satellites ETC. He was asking for robots, which suggests there are fewer Ukrainians willing to be sent to the front line fortifications in order for the elite ideologically committed units that Zaluzhnyi has been coddling to spend most of their time a mile behind the front along with the drone operators. You need someone to sit in a foxhole and not just drone operators. The crack formations of the Ukrainian army ceasing to exist through endless counter attacks against Russians from the taiga will end Kiev’s hopes of retaking territory. Fantastic as it may seem, the Ukrainians are being told by Zelensky that they are going to defeat Russia; Zaluzhnyi publicly alluding to a stalemate was another factor in his dismissal and if he who knows more than anyone about Ukraine’s military’ situation is say that then he prolly thinks the true outlook is something significantly worse.

    I really don’t see Putin trying to pull a Gallipoli with half-drunk dregs and conscripted Asians but he has done much dumber things like sending a slow moving 40 mile column through hostile woods.

    The current Russian tactics for storming preparations seem to be filtering of a handful of troops at a time into an area to gradually build up rather than attempting to move at once in a formed up unit. It is incremental but they Russians have learned the lesson that ‘fast is slow, slow is fast’. The gist of a recent piece by Mick Ryan an advantage of the Russians is when they do finally learn something ‘everyone ‘gets the memo’. The defeats of 2022 actually reuced the overstretch, and resulted in an current propinquity of Russia proper to where the the fighting is a huge advantage, and increasingly it has the interior lines. Russia is pressing its advantage by focusing the main effort where it can be most easily supplied. Once Avdiika is taken, Donetsk could become a logistical hub for a very measured advance that Zelensky will have to throw reserves in against, thereby enabling the Russians to bring the bulk of the Ukrainian army to a slow motion rolling battle of attrition; one Kiev cannot possibly hope to win.

  608. @Another Polish Perspective
    @AnonfromTN

    Yes, but he is living in Poland and representing Poland, not USA. So why the name for the English in Poland?
    He is kind of flamboyant. At his request, a separate, official name for the map was made for the now-separately-named place he lives in: Chobielin Dwór. I wouldn't be totally surprised if one day he said he was gay. After all, Anne Applebaum is not a paragon of beauty.

    To compare, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who at least did represent USA, in Poland was always Zbigniew, not Zbig.

    Replies: @sudden death, @AnonfromTN, @AP

    Anne Applebaum is not a paragon of beauty

    Matter of taste of course, but imho she’s wayyy more attratctive than some MTG type, lol

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @sudden death

    A rare photo where she smiles; most of the time she is tense.

    But who is


    MTG type
     
    ?

    Replies: @sudden death

  609. @Another Polish Perspective
    @AnonfromTN

    Yes, but he is living in Poland and representing Poland, not USA. So why the name for the English in Poland?
    He is kind of flamboyant. At his request, a separate, official name for the map was made for the now-separately-named place he lives in: Chobielin Dwór. I wouldn't be totally surprised if one day he said he was gay. After all, Anne Applebaum is not a paragon of beauty.

    To compare, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who at least did represent USA, in Poland was always Zbigniew, not Zbig.

    Replies: @sudden death, @AnonfromTN, @AP

    Yes, but he is living in Poland and representing Poland, not USA

    Wherever he lives, he represents neither Poland nor the US. He represents the mafia that currently controls the empire and all its vassals. Some say this mafia are neocons, some say libtards, some say both. I think their only interests are money and power. They are “patriots” of themselves, not of any particular country.

  610. @sudden death
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Anne Applebaum is not a paragon of beauty
     
    Matter of taste of course, but imho she's wayyy more attratctive than some MTG type, lol

    https://www.anneapplebaum.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/IMG_2869-1536x1024.jpg

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    A rare photo where she smiles; most of the time she is tense.

    But who is

    MTG type

    ?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Another Polish Perspective

    https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1240w,f_auto,q_auto:best/newscms/2021_27/3489199/210707-marjorie_taylor_greene-mc-11156.JPG

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ

  611. As Lewis Carroll’s Alice said, it’s getting curiouser and curiouser. Regular attacks on the US military bases in the ME continue, and police in Bagdad is holding back a large crowd that wants to burn down the US embassy. The empire is certainly winning hearts and minds in the ME.

  612. @sudden death
    @Beckow


    Is Nato going to build bases and place missiles in Ukraine
     
    Says Beckow from some remote planet, when on planet Earth and thanx to RF invasion, the newest NATO made missiles from UA airspace are blowing up RF newest submarines or buildings in Sevastopol, lol

    Replies: @Beckow

    Sure, today they are – there is a war. We all know that when the war ends it will be gone – even a simpleton like you knows it. But Nato in Ukraine with permanent bases-missiles is not going to happen now. How about that?

  613. @Another Polish Perspective
    @sudden death

    A rare photo where she smiles; most of the time she is tense.

    But who is


    MTG type
     
    ?

    Replies: @sudden death

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death

    Yea, that’s unattractive, to put it mildly.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @sudden death

    Marjorie looks a bit like Pamela Anderson, frankly:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Pamela-Anderson-040929.jpg

    But still a bit uglier than Pamela.

  614. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...I can criticize both American government and also an insecure mass murdering dwarf
     
    Riiiight. You spend a lot of time defending the 'win in Iraq", so maybe it cuts closer to home than you admit. Iraq is Iran's ally and the war was a disaster - 'ISIS?" I am not sure who they are, but they are definitely not who you say they are. Their priority when the Gaza war started was to do a bombing in Iran...quite some "Islamists" they are. But you are gullible so go with US. vs. ISIS story. A pretty good cover by the way.

    Your "criticism" also seems verbally unhinged: "we won in Iraq, but it cost too much" vs. "dwarf who wants to destroy the world". Don't pretend, you Anglo poseur twits can be quite unbearable. Go and polish your Churchill bust - he was quite a fat mass murderer, do you know that?


    preventing NATO from moving...
     
    Russia's goal was to prevent Nato from moving to Ukraine. They achieved it.

    The precise lines on the map are always negotiated.

    So why couldn’t Ukraine declare a win using the same argument?
     

    Because they lost 20% of their territory. You call that a "win". Wow.

    Zelensky talked of taking back Crimea and Donbas.
     
    Only? No, every Ukie and Western politician did. Every single one of them: BoJo, Sholz, Biden, the Indian guy, the Nato bosses...why do you try to hide from reality so badly? They wanted Crimea and maybe even Donbas (not sure they cared) and they lost. A lost war for Ukraine and Nato. Another one in a long line of lost wars. In the meantime around 3 million illegal Third Worlders came to US in one year - how long do you think that can go on? How many will ever go back? How many chain-migrants do you think they will bring?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson

    Riiiight. You spend a lot of time defending the ‘win in Iraq”, so maybe it cuts closer to home than you admit. Iraq is Iran’s ally and the war was a disaster – ‘ISIS?”

    Do explain how Saddam did not lose given that he was hung from a rope and his Baath party rule was replaced by a democracy created by the US.

    Let’s just start with that.

    Your “criticism” also seems verbally unhinged: “we won in Iraq, but it cost too much” vs. “dwarf who wants to destroy the world“. Don’t pretend, you Anglo poseur twits can be quite unbearable. Go and polish your Churchill bust – he was quite a fat mass murderer, do you know that?

    There you go projecting again. Once again you assume this massive US vs THEM world where we are just as much an insecure cheerleader as you and have to defend all things Anglo or Western.

    Practically everything I have said about Chrurchhill is negative. I think it was a great betrayal that he left Poland to Stalin after declaring war against Germany as part of a pact to defend them.

    Here is a quick link to all my Churchhill comments:
    https://www.unz.com/?s=churchhill&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=John+Johnson

    Another sad projection fail by Beckow.

    Not everyone is as insecure as you and desperate to defend anything related to our country or history.

    I’ll get to the rest of your post later. I have a game to attend.

  615. @songbird
    @QCIC


    I guess human hypnosis would be even more so if it is real!
     
    Have seen it three times, and even felt my fingers moving together once. Would say it is undoubtedly real, just not an an unconscious or subconscious state.

    Self-hypnosis is supposed to be very useful for pain management, but it is only marginally known since megacorps can't profit from it.

    Other day, I saw a clip of a crow doing different things, such as fetching a guy's slippers and keys. One thing that surprised me was seeing it move bricks. If they were bigger, maybe they would lay them and spread mortar on them.

    Replies: @QCIC

    Or drop the bricks from a great height!

    • Agree: songbird
  616. @sudden death
    @Another Polish Perspective

    https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1240w,f_auto,q_auto:best/newscms/2021_27/3489199/210707-marjorie_taylor_greene-mc-11156.JPG

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ

    Yea, that’s unattractive, to put it mildly.

  617. @sudden death
    @sudden death

    Latest results of Erdogan strategy when dealing with Kremlin chimpanzees;)


    February 7, 2024
    ANKARA — Baykar, the manufacturer of Bayraktar drones, has started construction work at its factory in Ukraine, according to CEO Haluk Bayraktar.

    "Our factory is being built. … We need about 12 months to finish construction and then we will move on to internal machinery, equipment and organizational structure," Bayraktar was quoted as telling Reuters on Tuesday in Riyadh, where he attended the World Defense Show in Riyadh.

    Bayraktar brushed aside a question about security issues stemming from the ongoing Russian war against Ukraine that is nearing its two-year mark, saying the works were “fully moving ahead” and that “nothing” could halt the process, according to the report.

    In 2019, Baykar and an Ukrainian state-owned defense company signed a deal for joint production of Baykar drones, but the Russian invasion impeded the process.

    In August, Ukrainian plane engine manufacturer Motor Sich, a company working with Baykar, came under attack by Russia. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said the company's facilities in Zaporizhzhya were struck by Russian forces.

    Motor Sich and Ivchenko-Progress, another Ukrainian company, have been supplying engines to Baykar drones under a 2021 deal, Baykar’s website shows.

    Baykar, which is owned by the family of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s younger son-in-law, Selcuk Bayraktar, has been supplying Bayraktar TB2 drones to Ukraine since 2018.

    The drones proved particularly useful in the country’s defense against Russia, with Zelenskyy awarding Bayraktar family members with state order.

    Speaking to Reuters, Haluk Bayraktar said that it remains unclear whether the factory will manufacture the TB2s identified with the Baykar brand or its newer version TB3s.

    In addition to Ukraine, Baykar drones have been exported to 33 countries.
     

    https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2024/02/turkeys-manufacturer-bayraktar-drones-building-plant-ukraine

    So if Trump repeats this and manages to build some local HIMARS munition factory in UA too, he can even start French kissing Putin like Brezhnev did with Honnecker at the time, wouldn't care at all then;)

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Bayraktar drones were all the rage in summer 2022. Not quite so much now.

    Russia has been a bit behind on satellite intel. I assume they’ll wait for it to be nearly finished before bombing it.

    It may all be a tad academic by summer 2025. Inshallah.

  618. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Another interesting thing was said the other day by Boris Kovalchuk, head of InterRAO- since SMO started Germany electricity usage down by 13%, UK’s down by 22%!!
     
    22% was the decrease in use of fossil fuels in the UK in 2023. Not decrease in energy use.

    Sovoks are incredibly gullible.

    https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-uk-electricity-from-fossil-fuels-drops-to-lowest-level-since-1957/

    The amount of UK electricity generated from fossil fuels fell 22% year-on-year in 2023 to the lowest level since 1957, Carbon Brief analysis reveals.

    Electricity from fossil fuels has now fallen by two-thirds (199TWh) since peaking in 2008. Within that total, coal has dropped by 115TWh (97%) and gas by 80TWh (45%).

    These declines have been caused by the rapid expansion of renewable energy (up six-fold since 2008, some 113TWh) and by lower electricity demand (down 21% since 2008, some 83TWh).

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Gerard1234

    Electricity demand in the UK is down because

    a) the price has more or less doubled so people use less.

    b) the UK has less and less industry to use it.

    Veering off topic, but the UK government energy policy is suicidally stupid.

    They want to stop using coal and oil, which in the rest of the world are being burned at record levels – replacing oil and gas heating by electric heat pumps, mostly made in the countries burning coal and oil. They also want Brits to drive electric cars – again mostly made in coal-burning China – Tesla 3s from Shanghai, MGs and Polestars from China.

    But…

    a) houses aren’t insulated well enough for heat pumps, and radiators and pipes will need replacing – huge job

    b) this implies a DOUBLING of electricity generation, which also implies a huge new network of power lines all over our formerly green and not so pleasant land

    c) the government tied themselves a decade ago to France’s EDF, whose next-gen nuclear reactors are alas crap, way behind schedule and way over cost. Just to add to their issues, the le Creusot Forge who make all the steel pressure vessels turned out to have been fiddling their quality control figures since 1965!

    So UK energy policy is going to hit the buffers big time.

    You’d think the UK government had been controlled since 1979 by foreigners who hate the British people. It would certainly explain our trajectory.

    • Replies: @AP
    @YetAnotherAnon

    May be so, the point is that UK energy use being down 22% was an absurdity.

    You also forgot improved efficiency.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  619. @Another Polish Perspective
    @A123

    The tweet was by Radek Sikorski, the husband of Anne Applebaum, the former and the current Polish foreign minister.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @A123, @Sean

    He would not give any concessions at all on Poles in Britain claiming British benefits for their family living in Poland . Not to minimise the effect of Enoch Powell, or Sir James Goldsmith’s Referendum Party, but Sikorski made Cameron look weak and him failing in negotiations is what led to Brexit. As for the pipeline, nobody in the West has the balls, motive, or intake of alcohol to risk it but Ukrainians. That is who the Germans privately say did it too.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Sean


    As for the pipeline, nobody in the West has the balls, motive, or intake of alcohol to risk it but Ukrainians. That is who the Germans privately say did it too.
     
    Couldn't happen to a better collection of crooks, oligarchs and political and religious deviants:

    https://euromaidanpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/A5C9A483-9CB9-4F22-B82C-3BC59783B935_w1023_r1_s1.jpg

    Replies: @Sean

    , @Another Polish Perspective
    @Sean


    He would not give any concessions at all on Poles in Britain claiming British benefits for their family living in Poland
     
    He could allow himself such a behaviour, being previously a member of the conservative Bullingdon club in Oxford. Cameron, a member too, surely knew "he is one of ours" and it just for stage.

    Replies: @Sean

  620. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    https://www.amazon.com/Patterns-Hypnotic-Techniques-Milton-Erickson/dp/091699001X

    The best hypnotist I ever saw by an order of magnitude was a student of Richard Bandler. If you look on the internet in 2024 for this information 99.9% of your search results will land on marketing scum. I wouldn't even bother with the internet for this stuff right now but if you quietly look around in the real world and you find one of these masters pay attention.

    Did you ever see that Scott Adams bullshit about Trump being an NLP master? Adams is part of the 99.9%.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I am only vaguely familiar with NLP. I can imagine Trump uses a few NLP-like mannerisms which could have fooled Adams.

    Whatever happened since Adams threw down the gauntlet with black people a few years ago?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC


    Whatever happened since Adams threw down the gauntlet with black people a few years ago?

     

    No idea. A cartoonist who can't draw. In the last millennium he did have a few amusing observations.

    https://community.adobe.com/legacyfs/online/1406089_Dilbert%20-%20Read%20the%20manual.jpg
  621. @YetAnotherAnon
    @AP

    Electricity demand in the UK is down because

    a) the price has more or less doubled so people use less.

    b) the UK has less and less industry to use it.

    Veering off topic, but the UK government energy policy is suicidally stupid.

    They want to stop using coal and oil, which in the rest of the world are being burned at record levels - replacing oil and gas heating by electric heat pumps, mostly made in the countries burning coal and oil. They also want Brits to drive electric cars - again mostly made in coal-burning China - Tesla 3s from Shanghai, MGs and Polestars from China.

    But...

    a) houses aren't insulated well enough for heat pumps, and radiators and pipes will need replacing - huge job

    b) this implies a DOUBLING of electricity generation, which also implies a huge new network of power lines all over our formerly green and not so pleasant land

    c) the government tied themselves a decade ago to France's EDF, whose next-gen nuclear reactors are alas crap, way behind schedule and way over cost. Just to add to their issues, the le Creusot Forge who make all the steel pressure vessels turned out to have been fiddling their quality control figures since 1965!

    So UK energy policy is going to hit the buffers big time.

    You'd think the UK government had been controlled since 1979 by foreigners who hate the British people. It would certainly explain our trajectory.

    Replies: @AP

    May be so, the point is that UK energy use being down 22% was an absurdity.

    You also forgot improved efficiency.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @AP

    It is actually illegal in the UK to sell domestic coal ("house coal") now, but not illegal to burn it by the thousands of tons in one of the few remaining UK coal fired power stations.

    Electric lighting has almost completely gone LED now, few still use the old incandescent bulbs. But, as I have said, the UK government plans to double UK electricity production, to power all our Chinese electric cars, Chinese heat pumps, Chinese/Indian electric arc furnaces, and Chinese electronic goods.

    How it will reach this Nirvana I'm not sure.

  622. @Another Polish Perspective
    @AnonfromTN

    Yes, but he is living in Poland and representing Poland, not USA. So why the name for the English in Poland?
    He is kind of flamboyant. At his request, a separate, official name for the map was made for the now-separately-named place he lives in: Chobielin Dwór. I wouldn't be totally surprised if one day he said he was gay. After all, Anne Applebaum is not a paragon of beauty.

    To compare, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who at least did represent USA, in Poland was always Zbigniew, not Zbig.

    Replies: @sudden death, @AnonfromTN, @AP

    After all, Anne Applebaum is not a paragon of beauty.

    They met as young students. Her being an American (albeit her Jewish ancestors were from Poland) may have attracted her to him in the 1980s.

    They are sort of a matching couple (I couldn’t find any old photos though), she is not ugly:

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Their children are what Poland's cognitive elites would have looked like on a much larger scale if it wasn't for the Holocaust, frankly. Mass Polish-Jewish intermarriage was eventually inevitable without the Holocaust. It happened in the USSR and in the US. Why exactly wouldn't it have happened in Poland as well?

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Another Polish Perspective

    , @Beckow
    @AP


    ...They are sort of a matching couple...she is not ugly
     
    She is very ugly and he looks like Radek-the-village idiot...
    , @Another Polish Perspective
    @AP

    There is a suspicious element in Sikorski life early on: in 1981, after his high school, he goes to England for a half of year to study English and then enrols into Oxford.

    He did what was impossible for many many citizens of communist Poland: 1) travelled to the West (passports for the West weren't just handed out to people at your wish), 2) he travelled there for a long time, 3) He apparently had enough money to stay there for a long time - or someone sponsored him, 4) he got accepted into Oxford as at first try, soon after "learning English"

    The circumstances of this stay are not known, so it is kind of suspicious
    Actually, I didn't hear about anyone else who did something like that. You didn't travel abroad to the West "to learn language" in communist Poland just so.

    Replies: @Beckow

  623. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...NATO is now much more militarily committed to Ukraine than it was before
     
    What does that mean? Is Nato going to build bases and place missiles in Ukraine? "Commitment" is a weasel term, it means whatever people want it to mean...Without Nato membership the rump-Ukraine has little chance to be in EU. Double-loss.

    You are fooling yourself, Russia won this part of the confrontation. Plus the Nato dreams of Crimea - they are gone too...When are you going to wake up and see the reality?

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. XYZ, @Mr. XYZ

    Also, did NATO ever express an interest in any Ukrainian bases or in stationing missiles in Ukraine? Even right now, NATO actually appears to be very restrained in Eastern Europe.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...did NATO ever express an interest in any Ukrainian bases or in stationing missiles in Ukraine?
     
    Yes, that's what it was all about. Initially they really wanted the Russian naval bases in Crimea, they never gave up on that plan but after 2014 basically scoped all of Ukraine. In 2021 the British defense minister opened a "joint" base in Berdyansk....it was a done deal. Now they will deny it - they got caught and lost, it is PR damage control: lie, deny, distract, blabla...

    NATO actually appears to be very restrained in Eastern Europe.
     
    They are losing the war, of course they are restrained. Have you been paying any attention? Until February 2022 no Nato leader could stand in front of a mike without saying "Ukraine will be in Nato and it is none of Russia's business". Today they don't say it any more. Why do you think that is?

    Replies: @AP

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr. XYZ

    I should have known the signs were bad when Ukrainian SU-27s and MiG29s started turning up at the Fairford Airshow, a huge military display which is very popular in my neck of the woods. Fairford is one of the main USAF bases over here.

    At one stage the SU27 pilot basically stops in mid-air, then slowly lets the nose drop forward and flies off. Most impressive. Sadly the demo pilot was killed early in the SMO. A great shame.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfIouhUECTE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEzSjxjOS4w

    Replies: @QCIC

  624. @AP
    @Another Polish Perspective


    After all, Anne Applebaum is not a paragon of beauty.
     
    They met as young students. Her being an American (albeit her Jewish ancestors were from Poland) may have attracted her to him in the 1980s.

    They are sort of a matching couple (I couldn't find any old photos though), she is not ugly:

    https://c8.alamy.com/comp/WR4PGK/25-01-2014-warsaw-poland-pictured-radoslaw-sikorski-with-his-wife-anne-applebaum-WR4PGK.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @Another Polish Perspective

    Their children are what Poland’s cognitive elites would have looked like on a much larger scale if it wasn’t for the Holocaust, frankly. Mass Polish-Jewish intermarriage was eventually inevitable without the Holocaust. It happened in the USSR and in the US. Why exactly wouldn’t it have happened in Poland as well?

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Mr. XYZ

    Because conservative Judaism was much more popular in the interwar Poland than liberal one. Also, at that time if you married outside you were supposed to "assimilate". There was no experience of marriages in which both faiths were celebrated.
    Moreover, Talmudic Judaism is matrilineal, and it is always harder to marry outside your group for women, who are also usually more conservative in terms of religion.
    Jews have the story of Esther, but she marries a king - neatly corresponding with the universal female fantasy of marrying a prince - not a prole.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Another Polish Perspective
    @Mr. XYZ

    Also, Sikorski and Applebaum aren't cognitive elite (they surely are connected elite), they are just journalists.

    BTW, Einstein divorced his Serbian "cognitive elite" wife to marry his cousin in the way of Maimonides who extolled cousin marriages, which testifies to Albert's hidden ethnocentrism and social pressure among Jews. Disgusting and contrary to nature habit of cousin marriages is a sign of elitism and racism, whether among Jews or among aristocracy or among Arabs.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

  625. @sudden death
    @Another Polish Perspective

    https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1240w,f_auto,q_auto:best/newscms/2021_27/3489199/210707-marjorie_taylor_greene-mc-11156.JPG

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ

    Marjorie looks a bit like Pamela Anderson, frankly:

    But still a bit uglier than Pamela.

  626. @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I am only vaguely familiar with NLP. I can imagine Trump uses a few NLP-like mannerisms which could have fooled Adams.

    Whatever happened since Adams threw down the gauntlet with black people a few years ago?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Whatever happened since Adams threw down the gauntlet with black people a few years ago?

    No idea. A cartoonist who can’t draw. In the last millennium he did have a few amusing observations.

  627. HERE YE HERE YE

    A NEW DECREE FROM THE DWARF KING

    IF YOUR LONG TERM BOYFRIEND IS KILLED IN THE WAR

    YOU CAN MARRY HIM WITHOUT REQUIRING HIS CONSENT

    THANK YOU DWARF KING

    YOU ARE TOO KIND

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @John Johnson

    Adds a whole new slant to the old saying: "having some skeletons in the closet"?

    https://youtu.be/JCaIgLUGjt4

    A grateful Russian newlywed?

  628. Didn’t this forum once post pics of beautiful women? Strange how it has shifted to trannies and ugos, just like a VS ad campaign.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird


    Didn’t this forum once post pics of beautiful women? Strange how it has shifted to trannies and ugos, just like a VS ad campaign.
     
    The problem with discussing JJ/KK failures from Disney is that one must include evidence. Among the reasons why they are tanking are deliberate efforts to make female characters "not attract the male gaze". Of course, it is not just Disney. All of Hollywood and the U.S. gaming industry is contaminated.

    I do have to issue a CORRECTION. The Rakuten Monkeys are a Taiwanese (not Japanese) baseball team. I offer penance under the [MORE] tag.

    PEACE 😇

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KSehgpEGO4o

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    I am always posting the hottest chicks in Kazakhstan and Poland.



    https://images.tennis.com/image/private/t_q-best/tenniscom-prd/auetwuoizhuhp9yygyyu.jpg

    https://wehco.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/imports/adg/photos/102851744_AP22179508396426_t800.jpg

    I do not know what you are complaining about. Maybe they are not your type.

  629. @songbird
    Didn't this forum once post pics of beautiful women? Strange how it has shifted to trannies and ugos, just like a VS ad campaign.

    Replies: @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Didn’t this forum once post pics of beautiful women? Strange how it has shifted to trannies and ugos, just like a VS ad campaign.

    The problem with discussing JJ/KK failures from Disney is that one must include evidence. Among the reasons why they are tanking are deliberate efforts to make female characters “not attract the male gaze”. Of course, it is not just Disney. All of Hollywood and the U.S. gaming industry is contaminated.

    I do have to issue a CORRECTION. The Rakuten Monkeys are a Taiwanese (not Japanese) baseball team. I offer penance under the [MORE] tag.

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]

    • Thanks: songbird
  630. @songbird
    Didn't this forum once post pics of beautiful women? Strange how it has shifted to trannies and ugos, just like a VS ad campaign.

    Replies: @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard

    I am always posting the hottest chicks in Kazakhstan and Poland.

    [MORE]

    I do not know what you are complaining about. Maybe they are not your type.

  631. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    People were hypnotized in the 1980’s by this chicken dance:
     
    Where did you see it, if you don't mind my asking? At weddings? The wiki article suggests it was popular where polka was a thing. (The Midwest?)

    The only place I ever recall seeing it was at the local roller-derby. There was a guy in a big chicken suit skating around and encouraging people to do it. It was a regular feature of the place.

    Can't definitely recall if I ever saw it at a wedding, but I would vaguely say no.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mr. Hack

    JJ: I double checked wikipedia and it verifies that the first known recording was produced in 1981. Although the dance was still around in the mid to late 90’s.

    songbird; I recall seeing the dance at various Ukie community dance parties (zabavas). Even at the home parties of some Ukie/Jewish friends of mine in the late 90’s. It was a big hit, especially with the kids. There’s a decent article about it presented by Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_Dance

  632. @John Johnson
    HERE YE HERE YE

    https://media.tenor.com/o9RZrhOOFj8AAAAM/spongebob-sweet-victory.gif

    A NEW DECREE FROM THE DWARF KING

    IF YOUR LONG TERM BOYFRIEND IS KILLED IN THE WAR

    YOU CAN MARRY HIM WITHOUT REQUIRING HIS CONSENT

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlrjuhv4GL0

    THANK YOU DWARF KING

    YOU ARE TOO KIND

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Adds a whole new slant to the old saying: “having some skeletons in the closet”?

    A grateful Russian newlywed?

  633. @AP
    @Another Polish Perspective


    After all, Anne Applebaum is not a paragon of beauty.
     
    They met as young students. Her being an American (albeit her Jewish ancestors were from Poland) may have attracted her to him in the 1980s.

    They are sort of a matching couple (I couldn't find any old photos though), she is not ugly:

    https://c8.alamy.com/comp/WR4PGK/25-01-2014-warsaw-poland-pictured-radoslaw-sikorski-with-his-wife-anne-applebaum-WR4PGK.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @Another Polish Perspective

    …They are sort of a matching couple…she is not ugly

    She is very ugly and he looks like Radek-the-village idiot…

  634. @Sean
    @Another Polish Perspective

    He would not give any concessions at all on Poles in Britain claiming British benefits for their family living in Poland . Not to minimise the effect of Enoch Powell, or Sir James Goldsmith's Referendum Party, but Sikorski made Cameron look weak and him failing in negotiations is what led to Brexit. As for the pipeline, nobody in the West has the balls, motive, or intake of alcohol to risk it but Ukrainians. That is who the Germans privately say did it too.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Another Polish Perspective

    As for the pipeline, nobody in the West has the balls, motive, or intake of alcohol to risk it but Ukrainians. That is who the Germans privately say did it too.

    Couldn’t happen to a better collection of crooks, oligarchs and political and religious deviants:

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Mr. Hack

    Your illustration immortalises the moment when those Russian entertainers who, having been publicly exposed for cavorting in fishnet bodystocking (0r just a sock) decadence while attending the 'Almost Naked Party', are now getting called up for active military service in Ukraine. It gives a whole new meaning to the showbiz term "Z-List Celebrity".

    There is an interesting mirror image parallel in Byzantine Iconoclasm, in which holy relics were flung in the sea and celibate monks were forced to parade hand in hand with women in the Hippodrome. It was ordered by the Emperor after Byzantium suffered military reverses.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  635. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Also, did NATO ever express an interest in any Ukrainian bases or in stationing missiles in Ukraine? Even right now, NATO actually appears to be very restrained in Eastern Europe.

    Replies: @Beckow, @YetAnotherAnon

    …did NATO ever express an interest in any Ukrainian bases or in stationing missiles in Ukraine?

    Yes, that’s what it was all about. Initially they really wanted the Russian naval bases in Crimea, they never gave up on that plan but after 2014 basically scoped all of Ukraine. In 2021 the British defense minister opened a “joint” base in Berdyansk….it was a done deal. Now they will deny it – they got caught and lost, it is PR damage control: lie, deny, distract, blabla…

    NATO actually appears to be very restrained in Eastern Europe.

    They are losing the war, of course they are restrained. Have you been paying any attention? Until February 2022 no Nato leader could stand in front of a mike without saying “Ukraine will be in Nato and it is none of Russia’s business”. Today they don’t say it any more. Why do you think that is?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Until February 2022 no Nato leader could stand in front of a mike without saying “Ukraine will be in Nato and it is none of Russia’s business”. Today they don’t say it any more
     
    July 2023 (not today, but well past February 2022):

    https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3455199/leaders-agree-to-expedite-ukraines-nato-membership/#:~:text=Finally%2C%20leaders%20reaffirmed%20that%20Ukraine,%2C%22%20the%20secretary%20general%20said.

    “Leaders Agree to Expedite Ukraine's NATO Membership”

    Ukraine is closer to NATO now than it was before the war.

    September 2023:

    https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_218847.htm

    “ Secretary General in Kyiv: Ukraine is closer to NATO than ever before”

    January 2024:

    https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/115204.htm

    Ukraine will become a member of NATO

    Replies: @Beckow

  636. @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ


    ...did NATO ever express an interest in any Ukrainian bases or in stationing missiles in Ukraine?
     
    Yes, that's what it was all about. Initially they really wanted the Russian naval bases in Crimea, they never gave up on that plan but after 2014 basically scoped all of Ukraine. In 2021 the British defense minister opened a "joint" base in Berdyansk....it was a done deal. Now they will deny it - they got caught and lost, it is PR damage control: lie, deny, distract, blabla...

    NATO actually appears to be very restrained in Eastern Europe.
     
    They are losing the war, of course they are restrained. Have you been paying any attention? Until February 2022 no Nato leader could stand in front of a mike without saying "Ukraine will be in Nato and it is none of Russia's business". Today they don't say it any more. Why do you think that is?

    Replies: @AP

    Until February 2022 no Nato leader could stand in front of a mike without saying “Ukraine will be in Nato and it is none of Russia’s business”. Today they don’t say it any more

    July 2023 (not today, but well past February 2022):

    https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3455199/leaders-agree-to-expedite-ukraines-nato-membership/#:~:text=Finally%2C%20leaders%20reaffirmed%20that%20Ukraine,%2C%22%20the%20secretary%20general%20said.

    “Leaders Agree to Expedite Ukraine’s NATO Membership”

    Ukraine is closer to NATO now than it was before the war.

    September 2023:

    https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_218847.htm

    “ Secretary General in Kyiv: Ukraine is closer to NATO than ever before”

    January 2024:

    https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/115204.htm

    Ukraine will become a member of NATO

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Ukraine will become a member of NATO
     
    Only if Kiev wins the war and Russia doesn't protect itself with nukes. It means never.

    Your boiler-plate empty quotes are desperate - expedite, closer? what does that mean?

    I said: public talk by the Nato leaders - Biden, Scholz, Macron, the Indian...they are the leaders, not a PR person issuing busy-work meaningless paper. Or even that weirdo 'Kamala', show them posturing like they did before the war. They know better now.

    You like to escape into lying by infantilism...one almost feels sorry for you.

    Replies: @AP

  637. @AP
    @Another Polish Perspective


    After all, Anne Applebaum is not a paragon of beauty.
     
    They met as young students. Her being an American (albeit her Jewish ancestors were from Poland) may have attracted her to him in the 1980s.

    They are sort of a matching couple (I couldn't find any old photos though), she is not ugly:

    https://c8.alamy.com/comp/WR4PGK/25-01-2014-warsaw-poland-pictured-radoslaw-sikorski-with-his-wife-anne-applebaum-WR4PGK.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow, @Another Polish Perspective

    There is a suspicious element in Sikorski life early on: in 1981, after his high school, he goes to England for a half of year to study English and then enrols into Oxford.

    He did what was impossible for many many citizens of communist Poland: 1) travelled to the West (passports for the West weren’t just handed out to people at your wish), 2) he travelled there for a long time, 3) He apparently had enough money to stay there for a long time – or someone sponsored him, 4) he got accepted into Oxford as at first try, soon after “learning English”

    The circumstances of this stay are not known, so it is kind of suspicious
    Actually, I didn’t hear about anyone else who did something like that. You didn’t travel abroad to the West “to learn language” in communist Poland just so.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Another Polish Perspective


    ...You didn’t travel abroad to the West “to learn language” in communist Poland just so.
     
    It depends on what you mean by "just so"...travel to the West from Poland, Czechoslovakia and Hungary was quite frequent. It required money and a visa from the Western countries. One had to have money for per/day minimum or sign up for a group trip. Boys after 18 had to have military service done and if they were in "security" posititions couldn't travel for 5 to 10 years after service. People with a criminal record or paying alimony and child support were not allowed.

    Westerners intentionally confuses it with East Germany, USSR, Romania - they couldn't travel. But there is also a lot of lying and propaganda - at that time it wasn't common or easy to travel in most of the world.

    In late 90's Czecho-Slovakia went back to the records to see how many people were allowed to travel: in Czechia 94% and in Slovakia 96% were given the required exit paper, each year few hundred thousands people. The largest group denied exits were alimony payers - guys in their 30's-40's who had child payments.

    To get a full University like Radek Sikorsky was very unusual. He either had lots of money (many people did) or was 'sponsored' by Poland. He looks like kind of a guy who has been selling himself from early on.

  638. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Their children are what Poland's cognitive elites would have looked like on a much larger scale if it wasn't for the Holocaust, frankly. Mass Polish-Jewish intermarriage was eventually inevitable without the Holocaust. It happened in the USSR and in the US. Why exactly wouldn't it have happened in Poland as well?

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Another Polish Perspective

    Because conservative Judaism was much more popular in the interwar Poland than liberal one. Also, at that time if you married outside you were supposed to “assimilate”. There was no experience of marriages in which both faiths were celebrated.
    Moreover, Talmudic Judaism is matrilineal, and it is always harder to marry outside your group for women, who are also usually more conservative in terms of religion.
    Jews have the story of Esther, but she marries a king – neatly corresponding with the universal female fantasy of marrying a prince – not a prole.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Was conservative Judaism or liberal Judaism more dominant in Russia before the 1917 revolutions? Though I suppose that you could say that the massive subsequent Bolshevik-led secularization campaign converted many conservative Jews in Russia into liberal Jews.

    You are correct that Jewish men are more likely to intermarry than Jewish women are. This makes the matrilineal rule for Judaism even less logical in the present era, especially now with widely available DNA testing.

  639. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Their children are what Poland's cognitive elites would have looked like on a much larger scale if it wasn't for the Holocaust, frankly. Mass Polish-Jewish intermarriage was eventually inevitable without the Holocaust. It happened in the USSR and in the US. Why exactly wouldn't it have happened in Poland as well?

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective, @Another Polish Perspective

    Also, Sikorski and Applebaum aren’t cognitive elite (they surely are connected elite), they are just journalists.

    BTW, Einstein divorced his Serbian “cognitive elite” wife to marry his cousin in the way of Maimonides who extolled cousin marriages, which testifies to Albert’s hidden ethnocentrism and social pressure among Jews. Disgusting and contrary to nature habit of cousin marriages is a sign of elitism and racism, whether among Jews or among aristocracy or among Arabs.

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Social pressure of cousins to marry cousins (Albert and Elsa were cousins on both paternal and maternal side):


    For starters, a letter written by Albert showed that he wasn’t in much of a rush to marry Elsa. “The attempts to force me into marriage come from my cousin’s parents and is mainly attributable to vanity, though moral prejudice, which is still very much alive in the old generation,” he complained in 1915.
     
    Albert wanted to go full Maimonides, for his "perfect marriage" of uncle and niece, but it didn't work:

    "What’s more, Albert had even floated the idea of marrying someone else — Elsa’s daughter, 20-year-old daughter Ilse. Ilse had worked as Albert’s secretary and saw him as a father figure but had no desire to be his wife."
     
    https://allthatsinteresting.com/elsa-einstein

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  640. @Sean
    @Another Polish Perspective

    He would not give any concessions at all on Poles in Britain claiming British benefits for their family living in Poland . Not to minimise the effect of Enoch Powell, or Sir James Goldsmith's Referendum Party, but Sikorski made Cameron look weak and him failing in negotiations is what led to Brexit. As for the pipeline, nobody in the West has the balls, motive, or intake of alcohol to risk it but Ukrainians. That is who the Germans privately say did it too.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Another Polish Perspective

    He would not give any concessions at all on Poles in Britain claiming British benefits for their family living in Poland

    He could allow himself such a behaviour, being previously a member of the conservative Bullingdon club in Oxford. Cameron, a member too, surely knew “he is one of ours” and it just for stage.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Sikorski ought to have been perfectly placed to advise his colleagues un the Polish government about the true state of British opinion on the EU generally and the freeloading Poles waltzing in without limit brining matters to a head. However all these Polish politicians were under the misimpression that Cameron was one with the problem and he could be ignored. The other EU countries' governments were willing to compromise in order to give Cameron something to go back and say he had been sucessfull in the negotiations, but the Polish government said no.


    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-241/#comment-6404730


    To which Rostowski says: "His [Cameron's] problem is that, is that isn't his objective, just a short-term propaganda effect."

    Sikorski is quoted as criticising what he sees as the British leader's attempt to appease British Eurosceptics with soundbites: "You know, his whole strategy of feeding them scraps in order to satisfy them is just as I predicted, turning against him; he should have said, fuck off, tried to convince people and isolate [the sceptics]. But he ceded the field to those that are now embarrassing him."


    Downing Street responded to the leaked Polish tapes by saying that the prime minister would continue to stand up for British interests and deal with the "abuse" of free movement because support for the EU in Britain is "wafer thin". In the first conversation, Rostowski, who resigned as finance minister in November, is quoted as saying that "no Polish government could agree" to Cameron's renegotiation proposals, "except in return for a mountain of gold".

    It is unclear from the transcript whether the two ministers were discussing Britain's proposed revision of the principles of free movement within the EU, or more specifically the plans to curb EU migrants' access to benefits. It is thought the conversation was taped in spring this year.

    Sikorski replies: "It's either a very badly thought through move, or, not for the first time, a kind of incompetence in European affairs. Remember? He fucked up the fiscal pact. He fucked it up. Simple as that. He is not interested, he does not get it, he believes in the stupid propaganda, he stupidly tries to play the system."
     

    Familiarity breeds contempt it seems. Or maybe Sikorski is tough but not terribly intelligent as his granite phisog suggests
  641. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Granted, he did marry his niece, and that is ultra-questionable morally and biologically, but I can’t believe it was for deviant reasons.
     
    Supposedly he was one of the last people to know Etruscan, I suppose his works about Etruscan matters might have been very interesting. But on the whole, he was probably a pedant focusing on antiquarian trivia (you get somewhat of that impression from his speech about admitting Gaulish notables to the senate, which is partially preserved on the Lyons tablet).
    His portrait in the surviving sources is devastatingly negative, essentially a total tool of his wives and freedmen. Might of course be questioned how reliable it is, but on the other hand, he did have a non-trivial number of members of the elite executed or banished, which must indicate some serious issues with his rule.
    Btw, I suppose you don't know about any alternative to UR either? Like some others (Mikel, Yevardian, Sher Singh) I find this place increasingly unreadable and not worth spending time on, but rest of the internet is pretty shit as well.

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird, @Sher Singh

    We can make a telegram & keep the retardation out.

    Signal also works since people dislike discord.

    The political discussion on here is at the level of celebrity gossip.
    It was already bad before the hot war began.

    It drowns out any other topic & a lot people would come back/join a new platform.
    Even Silvio

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Sher Singh


    The political discussion on here is at the level of celebrity gossip.
     
    True enough. I don't think I'm motivated to go on Telegram though (probably should give up on internet commenting anyway, pointless after all). But thanks for the suggestion.

    Even Silvio
     
    iirc he implied that he's busy with some sort of sexual relationship.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  642. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Mr. XYZ

    Also, Sikorski and Applebaum aren't cognitive elite (they surely are connected elite), they are just journalists.

    BTW, Einstein divorced his Serbian "cognitive elite" wife to marry his cousin in the way of Maimonides who extolled cousin marriages, which testifies to Albert's hidden ethnocentrism and social pressure among Jews. Disgusting and contrary to nature habit of cousin marriages is a sign of elitism and racism, whether among Jews or among aristocracy or among Arabs.

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    Social pressure of cousins to marry cousins (Albert and Elsa were cousins on both paternal and maternal side):

    For starters, a letter written by Albert showed that he wasn’t in much of a rush to marry Elsa. “The attempts to force me into marriage come from my cousin’s parents and is mainly attributable to vanity, though moral prejudice, which is still very much alive in the old generation,” he complained in 1915.

    Albert wanted to go full Maimonides, for his “perfect marriage” of uncle and niece, but it didn’t work:

    “What’s more, Albert had even floated the idea of marrying someone else — Elsa’s daughter, 20-year-old daughter Ilse. Ilse had worked as Albert’s secretary and saw him as a father figure but had no desire to be his wife.”

    https://allthatsinteresting.com/elsa-einstein

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Another Polish Perspective


    Social pressure of cousins to marry cousins (Albert and Elsa were cousins on both paternal and maternal side):
     
    So, they were essentially like brother and sister (sharing all four grandparents in common), similar to French King Louis XIV and his wife.
  643. @songbird
    Hollywood made and remade a horror movie called The Fly about new technology causing an inventor to transform into a monster fly-man.

    India made a movie called The Fly about a guy being reincarnated as a fly.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eega

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I’ve never seen the Indian version, but I’ve alway been a sucker to watch most any film starring Vincent Price. This one was so creepy and funny, I’m sure that I watched it at least two times.

    “Hedison’s “Fly” costume featured a 20-pound (9.1 kg) fly’s head, about which he said: “Trying to act in it was like trying to play the piano with boxing gloves on”.[11]”

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    I’ve never seen the Indian version
     
    Totally different films. What I meant to imply was that the Hollywood ones seem to be about the angst of Western man in the modern or technological world, whereas the Indian one is much more light-hearted, (at least compared to the remake) and in a way rooted in a very anti-modern spiritual tradition.

    Think I must have seen both versions of the Hollywood movie, but my memory of them is not very good, particularly of the first one, and I am not completely sure I saw it. I can't forget Cronenberg's body horror, which I encountered at a very young age, and of which I am not a fan. I do like Price.

    I swear that I once saw Steve McQueen in a snake movie called Sssssss, but all I can find is this one with Dirk Benedict, so I guess I am just imagining it.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sssssss

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  644. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I've never seen the Indian version, but I've alway been a sucker to watch most any film starring Vincent Price. This one was so creepy and funny, I'm sure that I watched it at least two times.

    https://youtu.be/Xjuocw-_NlY

    "Hedison's "Fly" costume featured a 20-pound (9.1 kg) fly's head, about which he said: "Trying to act in it was like trying to play the piano with boxing gloves on".[11]"

    Replies: @songbird

    I’ve never seen the Indian version

    Totally different films. What I meant to imply was that the Hollywood ones seem to be about the angst of Western man in the modern or technological world, whereas the Indian one is much more light-hearted, (at least compared to the remake) and in a way rooted in a very anti-modern spiritual tradition.

    [MORE]

    Think I must have seen both versions of the Hollywood movie, but my memory of them is not very good, particularly of the first one, and I am not completely sure I saw it. I can’t forget Cronenberg’s body horror, which I encountered at a very young age, and of which I am not a fan. I do like Price.

    I swear that I once saw Steve McQueen in a snake movie called Sssssss, but all I can find is this one with Dirk Benedict, so I guess I am just imagining it.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sssssss

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I'm totally unfamiliar with Dirk Benedict, however, have witnessed a film or two including Dirk Bogarde over the last couple of years (I can't recall the names right now). He seems like he was an interesting actor, and reading up on him I find out that he was also quite the prolific author too...

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Dirk_Bogarde_Hallmark_Hall_of_Fame.JPG/220px-Dirk_Bogarde_Hallmark_Hall_of_Fame.JPG

    Replies: @songbird

  645. @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow

    Also, did NATO ever express an interest in any Ukrainian bases or in stationing missiles in Ukraine? Even right now, NATO actually appears to be very restrained in Eastern Europe.

    Replies: @Beckow, @YetAnotherAnon

    I should have known the signs were bad when Ukrainian SU-27s and MiG29s started turning up at the Fairford Airshow, a huge military display which is very popular in my neck of the woods. Fairford is one of the main USAF bases over here.

    At one stage the SU27 pilot basically stops in mid-air, then slowly lets the nose drop forward and flies off. Most impressive. Sadly the demo pilot was killed early in the SMO. A great shame.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Don't forget about this horrific crash and five other other Su-27 airshow disasters! Plus a few western crashes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sknyliv_air_show_disaster

    https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/10/17/air-force-identifies-guard-pilot-killed-in-ukraine-crash/

    https://www.twz.com/area-51-test-pilots-mysterious-death-happened-heroically-flying-an-su-27-report

    It seems that many pilots are not up to the Su-27.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  646. @AP
    @YetAnotherAnon

    May be so, the point is that UK energy use being down 22% was an absurdity.

    You also forgot improved efficiency.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    It is actually illegal in the UK to sell domestic coal (“house coal”) now, but not illegal to burn it by the thousands of tons in one of the few remaining UK coal fired power stations.

    Electric lighting has almost completely gone LED now, few still use the old incandescent bulbs. But, as I have said, the UK government plans to double UK electricity production, to power all our Chinese electric cars, Chinese heat pumps, Chinese/Indian electric arc furnaces, and Chinese electronic goods.

    How it will reach this Nirvana I’m not sure.

    • Thanks: Sean
  647. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    I’ve never seen the Indian version
     
    Totally different films. What I meant to imply was that the Hollywood ones seem to be about the angst of Western man in the modern or technological world, whereas the Indian one is much more light-hearted, (at least compared to the remake) and in a way rooted in a very anti-modern spiritual tradition.

    Think I must have seen both versions of the Hollywood movie, but my memory of them is not very good, particularly of the first one, and I am not completely sure I saw it. I can't forget Cronenberg's body horror, which I encountered at a very young age, and of which I am not a fan. I do like Price.

    I swear that I once saw Steve McQueen in a snake movie called Sssssss, but all I can find is this one with Dirk Benedict, so I guess I am just imagining it.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sssssss

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I’m totally unfamiliar with Dirk Benedict, however, have witnessed a film or two including Dirk Bogarde over the last couple of years (I can’t recall the names right now). He seems like he was an interesting actor, and reading up on him I find out that he was also quite the prolific author too…

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Not familiar with Bogarde.


    I’m totally unfamiliar with Dirk Benedict,
     
    He is mainly just a TV star. Famous for his roles on the A-Team and the original Battlestar Galactica.

    I only thought of Dirk, as in the weapon, a type of dagger. But the name seems to have an interesting Germanic origin. Related to the much more common name Derek. Also Theodoric, king of the Ostrogoths.

    The meaning of the name is "the people's ruler", composed of þeud ("people") and ric ("power").
     
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirk_(name)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  648. Have said before that I think that the whole medical system in the US is a joke.

    That instead of spending five minutes with a guy that has had some tremendously long and expensive education and forgotten 95% of it and is in a super rush. You would be better off seeing some high school age kid who was very intelligent and had some training in a specialized field, and could see you for longer than five minutes. Or a team of smart kids, or a machine.

    Well, I would extend that to lawyers too. I know someone who hired some astronomically expensive lawyer, and I perused a contract he’s written and its incredible crap. Basically, a form that’s been printed out, with a lot of irrelevant and questionable points. Could have written something better when I was 9 or 10. Of course, the system is designed to propagate lawyers.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    I think that the whole medical system in the US is a joke.
     
    You think that on the wrong assumption that US medical system is designed to care for your health. It is certainly not. It is designed to extract as much money from you as possible, and nothing else.

    When you come to the emergency room in the US, the first question you are asked is what’s your insurance, the second question is how you are going to pay for the expenses not covered by your insurance, and only the third question is what’s actually wrong with you. Shows priorities clearly enough.

    Replies: @songbird

  649. I thought the elites running the show on the imperial patch are devious. Looks like I was wrong: they are simply stupid, as hysterics in the MSM about Carlson’s interview of Putin show. Libtard/neocon media pour venom with such incredible intensity that Carlson’s name is now second after Putin’s in terms of being mentioned. They even used Killary to smear Carlson on MSNBC. In effect, they are providing more PR for Carlson for free than he could have possibly bought for any money. I think that this is exactly what Carlson banked on, being reasonably intelligent (in sharp contrast to the morons providing him free PR).

    Unrelated news: Pentagon announced that military helicopter crashed in California, killing five marines. One wonders what Houthis had to do with the death of these marines, the “mechanical problems” on a British Navy ship near Yemen (https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2024/02/08/royal-navy-troubled-type-45-yemen-mission-halted-by-technical-issue/), as well as the death of the two US marines who mysteriously drowned “off the coast of Somalia”. Although earlier a hypothesis was aired that you can easily drown off the coast of Somalia being in the Kharkov hotel hit by Russian rocket.

  650. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I'm totally unfamiliar with Dirk Benedict, however, have witnessed a film or two including Dirk Bogarde over the last couple of years (I can't recall the names right now). He seems like he was an interesting actor, and reading up on him I find out that he was also quite the prolific author too...

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Dirk_Bogarde_Hallmark_Hall_of_Fame.JPG/220px-Dirk_Bogarde_Hallmark_Hall_of_Fame.JPG

    Replies: @songbird

    Not familiar with Bogarde.

    I’m totally unfamiliar with Dirk Benedict,

    He is mainly just a TV star. Famous for his roles on the A-Team and the original Battlestar Galactica.

    I only thought of Dirk, as in the weapon, a type of dagger. But the name seems to have an interesting Germanic origin. Related to the much more common name Derek. Also Theodoric, king of the Ostrogoths.

    The meaning of the name is “the people’s ruler”, composed of þeud (“people”) and ric (“power”).

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirk_(name)

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Bogarde was the most illustrious pedophile in the canon in Death in Venice. With good costumes and camera work pedophilia could be celebrated. If you are a godless European. Homo political activists might not touch this one now.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_Venice_(film)

    When I was in school we had to read this and I was so naive at 17 y. o. it was completely over my head that Eschenbach wanted to screw Tadzio was the point. I got a much better mark on my Machiavelli paper.

    Replies: @songbird

  651. @songbird
    Have said before that I think that the whole medical system in the US is a joke.

    That instead of spending five minutes with a guy that has had some tremendously long and expensive education and forgotten 95% of it and is in a super rush. You would be better off seeing some high school age kid who was very intelligent and had some training in a specialized field, and could see you for longer than five minutes. Or a team of smart kids, or a machine.

    Well, I would extend that to lawyers too. I know someone who hired some astronomically expensive lawyer, and I perused a contract he's written and its incredible crap. Basically, a form that's been printed out, with a lot of irrelevant and questionable points. Could have written something better when I was 9 or 10. Of course, the system is designed to propagate lawyers.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    I think that the whole medical system in the US is a joke.

    You think that on the wrong assumption that US medical system is designed to care for your health. It is certainly not. It is designed to extract as much money from you as possible, and nothing else.

    When you come to the emergency room in the US, the first question you are asked is what’s your insurance, the second question is how you are going to pay for the expenses not covered by your insurance, and only the third question is what’s actually wrong with you. Shows priorities clearly enough.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AnonfromTN

    I agree. That is what makes that corruption index such a joke - it doesn't seem to account for institutionalized corruption. Most don't need to pay the bribe separately, it is extracted through taxes and other means.

    The longer a state is around for, the more institutionalized or official the corruption is.

    The US isn't corrupt? Well doesn't it have the highest number of lawyers per capita? Among the priciest medical care? When you pay taxes, doesn't the money go to other people without your consent?

    Ireland isn't corrupt? Nobody can afford housing, the government is replacing the population probably at the fastest rate in all of history.

    Germany isn't corrupt. This article warns of €19.2 trillion being transferred to migrants and the full future bill being unpayable.
    https://www.amren.com/news/2024/02/mass-immigration-to-germany-will-cost-taxpayers-up-to-e19-2-trillion-warns-top-academic-expert/

    Replies: @Beckow

  652. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Not familiar with Bogarde.


    I’m totally unfamiliar with Dirk Benedict,
     
    He is mainly just a TV star. Famous for his roles on the A-Team and the original Battlestar Galactica.

    I only thought of Dirk, as in the weapon, a type of dagger. But the name seems to have an interesting Germanic origin. Related to the much more common name Derek. Also Theodoric, king of the Ostrogoths.

    The meaning of the name is "the people's ruler", composed of þeud ("people") and ric ("power").
     
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirk_(name)

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Bogarde was the most illustrious pedophile in the canon in Death in Venice. With good costumes and camera work pedophilia could be celebrated. If you are a godless European. Homo political activists might not touch this one now.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_Venice_(film)

    When I was in school we had to read this and I was so naive at 17 y. o. it was completely over my head that Eschenbach wanted to screw Tadzio was the point. I got a much better mark on my Machiavelli paper.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    When I was in school we had to read this and I was so naive at 17 y. o
     
    Guess I was fortunate. At the same age, I only had to listen to a German tour guide in a certain town promote him. I recall one of the girls inferring that she was a lesbo, but I can't really evoke her image in my mind, and I think it was only a joke on a certain word she was using repeatedly (i.e. , Deich)

    Had to read a lot of horrible books in my time, but I feel fortunate to never have had to read anything gay, that I recall. A lot of books promoting antiracism re: blacks and Jews, though. And a lot of feminist stuff. School in large part seems to be designed to warehouse and brainwash kids.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  653. @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    I think that the whole medical system in the US is a joke.
     
    You think that on the wrong assumption that US medical system is designed to care for your health. It is certainly not. It is designed to extract as much money from you as possible, and nothing else.

    When you come to the emergency room in the US, the first question you are asked is what’s your insurance, the second question is how you are going to pay for the expenses not covered by your insurance, and only the third question is what’s actually wrong with you. Shows priorities clearly enough.

    Replies: @songbird

    I agree. That is what makes that corruption index such a joke – it doesn’t seem to account for institutionalized corruption. Most don’t need to pay the bribe separately, it is extracted through taxes and other means.

    The longer a state is around for, the more institutionalized or official the corruption is.

    The US isn’t corrupt? Well doesn’t it have the highest number of lawyers per capita? Among the priciest medical care? When you pay taxes, doesn’t the money go to other people without your consent?

    Ireland isn’t corrupt? Nobody can afford housing, the government is replacing the population probably at the fastest rate in all of history.

    Germany isn’t corrupt. This article warns of €19.2 trillion being transferred to migrants and the full future bill being unpayable.
    https://www.amren.com/news/2024/02/mass-immigration-to-germany-will-cost-taxpayers-up-to-e19-2-trillion-warns-top-academic-expert/

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @songbird


    ...corruption index such a joke – it doesn’t seem to account for institutionalized corruption.
     
    Only less developed societies use a direct form of corruption. The people who look at an "index" are useful idiots - those indexes are put together based on perception, e.g. they ask a lot of Western businessmen what is their perception about bribes in Turkey or Argentina, vs. Ireland. Very 'scientific'.

    There is a heavy political bias - most Western businessmen are like a fish out of water, don't speak the language, are scared (often paranoid), enjoy spinning cynical stories. If people exchange envelopes with money that is the least corruption you can have today - the real corruption are hundreds of billions distributed through institutions based on purchase orders, fake grants, 'outsourced' services, bonuses...the cash envelopes got nothing on that. If people have to sneak to each other some cash off the books it is still a fairly honest society.

    The inability of people in the West to understand this is the real problem. They buy simple narratives and obey. The fake money control doesn't hurt...that is the biggest 'corruption' of them all...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

  654. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Bogarde was the most illustrious pedophile in the canon in Death in Venice. With good costumes and camera work pedophilia could be celebrated. If you are a godless European. Homo political activists might not touch this one now.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_Venice_(film)

    When I was in school we had to read this and I was so naive at 17 y. o. it was completely over my head that Eschenbach wanted to screw Tadzio was the point. I got a much better mark on my Machiavelli paper.

    Replies: @songbird

    When I was in school we had to read this and I was so naive at 17 y. o

    Guess I was fortunate. At the same age, I only had to listen to a German tour guide in a certain town promote him. I recall one of the girls inferring that she was a lesbo, but I can’t really evoke her image in my mind, and I think it was only a joke on a certain word she was using repeatedly (i.e. , Deich)

    Had to read a lot of horrible books in my time, but I feel fortunate to never have had to read anything gay, that I recall. A lot of books promoting antiracism re: blacks and Jews, though. And a lot of feminist stuff. School in large part seems to be designed to warehouse and brainwash kids.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    If I got a re-do I would never step outside the math department. That one looks antiseptically pure if you aren't bug nuts like Ted Kaczynski.

  655. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Sean


    He would not give any concessions at all on Poles in Britain claiming British benefits for their family living in Poland
     
    He could allow himself such a behaviour, being previously a member of the conservative Bullingdon club in Oxford. Cameron, a member too, surely knew "he is one of ours" and it just for stage.

    Replies: @Sean

    Sikorski ought to have been perfectly placed to advise his colleagues un the Polish government about the true state of British opinion on the EU generally and the freeloading Poles waltzing in without limit brining matters to a head. However all these Polish politicians were under the misimpression that Cameron was one with the problem and he could be ignored. The other EU countries’ governments were willing to compromise in order to give Cameron something to go back and say he had been sucessfull in the negotiations, but the Polish government said no.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-241/#comment-6404730

    To which Rostowski says: “His [Cameron’s] problem is that, is that isn’t his objective, just a short-term propaganda effect.”

    Sikorski is quoted as criticising what he sees as the British leader’s attempt to appease British Eurosceptics with soundbites: “You know, his whole strategy of feeding them scraps in order to satisfy them is just as I predicted, turning against him; he should have said, fuck off, tried to convince people and isolate [the sceptics]. But he ceded the field to those that are now embarrassing him.”

    Downing Street responded to the leaked Polish tapes by saying that the prime minister would continue to stand up for British interests and deal with the “abuse” of free movement because support for the EU in Britain is “wafer thin”. In the first conversation, Rostowski, who resigned as finance minister in November, is quoted as saying that “no Polish government could agree” to Cameron’s renegotiation proposals, “except in return for a mountain of gold”.

    It is unclear from the transcript whether the two ministers were discussing Britain’s proposed revision of the principles of free movement within the EU, or more specifically the plans to curb EU migrants’ access to benefits. It is thought the conversation was taped in spring this year.

    Sikorski replies: “It’s either a very badly thought through move, or, not for the first time, a kind of incompetence in European affairs. Remember? He fucked up the fiscal pact. He fucked it up. Simple as that. He is not interested, he does not get it, he believes in the stupid propaganda, he stupidly tries to play the system.”

    Familiarity breeds contempt it seems. Or maybe Sikorski is tough but not terribly intelligent as his granite phisog suggests

  656. @Another Polish Perspective
    @AP

    There is a suspicious element in Sikorski life early on: in 1981, after his high school, he goes to England for a half of year to study English and then enrols into Oxford.

    He did what was impossible for many many citizens of communist Poland: 1) travelled to the West (passports for the West weren't just handed out to people at your wish), 2) he travelled there for a long time, 3) He apparently had enough money to stay there for a long time - or someone sponsored him, 4) he got accepted into Oxford as at first try, soon after "learning English"

    The circumstances of this stay are not known, so it is kind of suspicious
    Actually, I didn't hear about anyone else who did something like that. You didn't travel abroad to the West "to learn language" in communist Poland just so.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …You didn’t travel abroad to the West “to learn language” in communist Poland just so.

    It depends on what you mean by “just so”…travel to the West from Poland, Czechoslovakia and Hungary was quite frequent. It required money and a visa from the Western countries. One had to have money for per/day minimum or sign up for a group trip. Boys after 18 had to have military service done and if they were in “security” posititions couldn’t travel for 5 to 10 years after service. People with a criminal record or paying alimony and child support were not allowed.

    Westerners intentionally confuses it with East Germany, USSR, Romania – they couldn’t travel. But there is also a lot of lying and propaganda – at that time it wasn’t common or easy to travel in most of the world.

    In late 90’s Czecho-Slovakia went back to the records to see how many people were allowed to travel: in Czechia 94% and in Slovakia 96% were given the required exit paper, each year few hundred thousands people. The largest group denied exits were alimony payers – guys in their 30’s-40’s who had child payments.

    To get a full University like Radek Sikorsky was very unusual. He either had lots of money (many people did) or was ‘sponsored’ by Poland. He looks like kind of a guy who has been selling himself from early on.

  657. @songbird
    YouTube has punished me once again for using adblocker with the recommended video being "HUGE abscess on bull lanced."

    It is like something I once imagined after reading folklore about heroes battling great monsters using weapons coated with powerful poisons.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @silviosilver

    YouTube has punished me once again for using adblocker

    Which adblocker are you using now? The ones I had been using stopped working. Help me out.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @silviosilver

    The one you promoted a few weeks ago is still working from my ISP.

    , @songbird
    @silviosilver

    Am using Opera Browser. Knew a hacker guy who was a big fan of it, and introduced me to it a long time ago. (About 20 years) No idea what he is using now, so many years later.

    It has adblocking built-in, without the need for downloading any extension. Still works for me, not sure if I updated to the latest, and whether that might break it.

    Opera, I think by now is based on Chrome, so I don't understand why it still works. Brave browser (also with adblocking built-in) is kind of similar. Mozilla I think is the only one that is not chrome-based.

    I also like how Opera has a scroll button that lets you go to the bottom of the page.

  658. @silviosilver
    @songbird


    YouTube has punished me once again for using adblocker
     
    Which adblocker are you using now? The ones I had been using stopped working. Help me out.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    The one you promoted a few weeks ago is still working from my ISP.

  659. @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    When I was in school we had to read this and I was so naive at 17 y. o
     
    Guess I was fortunate. At the same age, I only had to listen to a German tour guide in a certain town promote him. I recall one of the girls inferring that she was a lesbo, but I can't really evoke her image in my mind, and I think it was only a joke on a certain word she was using repeatedly (i.e. , Deich)

    Had to read a lot of horrible books in my time, but I feel fortunate to never have had to read anything gay, that I recall. A lot of books promoting antiracism re: blacks and Jews, though. And a lot of feminist stuff. School in large part seems to be designed to warehouse and brainwash kids.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    If I got a re-do I would never step outside the math department. That one looks antiseptically pure if you aren’t bug nuts like Ted Kaczynski.

  660. @silviosilver
    @songbird


    YouTube has punished me once again for using adblocker
     
    Which adblocker are you using now? The ones I had been using stopped working. Help me out.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    Am using Opera Browser. Knew a hacker guy who was a big fan of it, and introduced me to it a long time ago. (About 20 years) No idea what he is using now, so many years later.

    It has adblocking built-in, without the need for downloading any extension. Still works for me, not sure if I updated to the latest, and whether that might break it.

    Opera, I think by now is based on Chrome, so I don’t understand why it still works. Brave browser (also with adblocking built-in) is kind of similar. Mozilla I think is the only one that is not chrome-based.

    I also like how Opera has a scroll button that lets you go to the bottom of the page.

  661. @songbird
    @AnonfromTN

    I agree. That is what makes that corruption index such a joke - it doesn't seem to account for institutionalized corruption. Most don't need to pay the bribe separately, it is extracted through taxes and other means.

    The longer a state is around for, the more institutionalized or official the corruption is.

    The US isn't corrupt? Well doesn't it have the highest number of lawyers per capita? Among the priciest medical care? When you pay taxes, doesn't the money go to other people without your consent?

    Ireland isn't corrupt? Nobody can afford housing, the government is replacing the population probably at the fastest rate in all of history.

    Germany isn't corrupt. This article warns of €19.2 trillion being transferred to migrants and the full future bill being unpayable.
    https://www.amren.com/news/2024/02/mass-immigration-to-germany-will-cost-taxpayers-up-to-e19-2-trillion-warns-top-academic-expert/

    Replies: @Beckow

    …corruption index such a joke – it doesn’t seem to account for institutionalized corruption.

    Only less developed societies use a direct form of corruption. The people who look at an “index” are useful idiots – those indexes are put together based on perception, e.g. they ask a lot of Western businessmen what is their perception about bribes in Turkey or Argentina, vs. Ireland. Very ‘scientific’.

    There is a heavy political bias – most Western businessmen are like a fish out of water, don’t speak the language, are scared (often paranoid), enjoy spinning cynical stories. If people exchange envelopes with money that is the least corruption you can have today – the real corruption are hundreds of billions distributed through institutions based on purchase orders, fake grants, ‘outsourced’ services, bonuses…the cash envelopes got nothing on that. If people have to sneak to each other some cash off the books it is still a fairly honest society.

    The inability of people in the West to understand this is the real problem. They buy simple narratives and obey. The fake money control doesn’t hurt…that is the biggest ‘corruption’ of them all…

    • Agree: songbird, AnonfromTN
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    Only less developed societies use a direct form of corruption. The people who look at an “index” are useful idiots
    If people have to sneak to each other some cash off the books it is still a fairly honest society.
     
    Absolutely. Just compare the sum total of the military budgets of the empire and its vassals with the military budget of the RF. Then compare the real capabilities on the battlefield. This will give you an idea of the truly frightening scale of corruption in the West. There is certainly corruption in Russia, but the scale is orders of magnitude smaller than in the West.

    Strategically, it’s high time to remember that corruption killed the Roman Empire.

    Replies: @AP, @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Gerard1234
    @Beckow

    The "Corruption Perceptions Index" is clearly the most State Department, vile piece of BS in history. On the "Ease of Doing Business Ratings" which is actually scientific, less political.......Russia's progess has been excellent. Or at least it was, until they suspiciously abandon this annual ratings list.

    Bribing traffic police is a thing of the past, tax receipts and registrations are massively increased compared to a few years ago across the entire spectrum of large to very small businesses. Same thing with arrests of officials for corruption.

    Across all the world though you would have to look if technology makes corruption overall alot easier for officials to do........or smartphone technology makes it alot easier to expose and so act as deterrent? There's more incentive to be transparent for small businesses, foreign businessmen, politicians etc with the ease that comes with digitilisation - but who knows if that is actually occuring?


    There is a heavy political bias – most Western businessmen are like a fish out of water, don’t speak the language, are scared (often paranoid), enjoy spinning cynical stories. If people exchange envelopes with money that is the least corruption you can have today – the real corruption are hundreds of billions distributed through institutions based on purchase orders, fake grants, ‘outsourced’ services, bonuses…the cash envelopes got nothing on that. If people have to sneak to each other some cash off the books it is still a fairly honest society.
     
    Exellent point!
  662. @Mr. Hack
    @Sean


    As for the pipeline, nobody in the West has the balls, motive, or intake of alcohol to risk it but Ukrainians. That is who the Germans privately say did it too.
     
    Couldn't happen to a better collection of crooks, oligarchs and political and religious deviants:

    https://euromaidanpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/A5C9A483-9CB9-4F22-B82C-3BC59783B935_w1023_r1_s1.jpg

    Replies: @Sean

    Your illustration immortalises the moment when those Russian entertainers who, having been publicly exposed for cavorting in fishnet bodystocking (0r just a sock) decadence while attending the ‘Almost Naked Party’, are now getting called up for active military service in Ukraine. It gives a whole new meaning to the showbiz term “Z-List Celebrity”.

    There is an interesting mirror image parallel in Byzantine Iconoclasm, in which holy relics were flung in the sea and celibate monks were forced to parade hand in hand with women in the Hippodrome. It was ordered by the Emperor after Byzantium suffered military reverses.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Sean

    But the woman within this cartoon is not parading hand in hand with anybody (celibate or not), but is shielding herself from any such unsavory characters?

  663. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Another interesting thing was said the other day by Boris Kovalchuk, head of InterRAO- since SMO started Germany electricity usage down by 13%, UK’s down by 22%!!
     
    22% was the decrease in use of fossil fuels in the UK in 2023. Not decrease in energy use.

    Sovoks are incredibly gullible.

    https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-uk-electricity-from-fossil-fuels-drops-to-lowest-level-since-1957/

    The amount of UK electricity generated from fossil fuels fell 22% year-on-year in 2023 to the lowest level since 1957, Carbon Brief analysis reveals.

    Electricity from fossil fuels has now fallen by two-thirds (199TWh) since peaking in 2008. Within that total, coal has dropped by 115TWh (97%) and gas by 80TWh (45%).

    These declines have been caused by the rapid expansion of renewable energy (up six-fold since 2008, some 113TWh) and by lower electricity demand (down 21% since 2008, some 83TWh).

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Gerard1234

    22% was the decrease in use of fossil fuels in the UK in 2023. Not decrease in energy use.

    Sovoks are incredibly gullible.

    LMAO liar – Err, no you cretin – as I said, it’s 22% electricity use DOWN in UK.
    It’s so amusingly pitiful to see how desperate clowns such as yourself are to try and falsely disprove the obvious. The only reason I am not calling you a fantasist retard in this post, is because the other ridiculous failure – the Black Russian c*nt ” Sudden Death” is the current “King” of this position.

    We know dumb American education puts you at a massive disadvantage, but let me give you a simple formula that even human garbage like you can understand:

    Less electricity demand= less electricity use.

    I know that simple equation would be good enough to make me classify as a Professor at University of Lvov/spasticsville – but even a 2 year old should understand it, just like even a 1 year old can see through your hopeless misdirection

    The information is clear that UK electricity use is massively down. Big difference between 2022 compared to 2018. Crucially post-coronavirus 2022 electricity is less than 2021. The source for UK 2023 data is just from Kovalchuk……but as he is a successful executive of a very successful and profitable energy company (lol something Banderastan state and private companies can only dream of) …..his claims are 100% credible and true of 22% decrease

    He also makes point that carbon use is increased in Europe since SMO- which is against much of their stated objectives and green energy PR BS. UK doesn’t use much, if any coal, but Germany certainly does. Population increase from 1-2 million ukrops plus other migrants/refugees and own natural growth should indicate nearly as big concern of Germany’s 13% decline as the UK’s 22%.
    All done for the purpose of “helping” a fake,loser,disaster of a country that can’t govern itself and where the puppet leaders are desperate for this ongoing khokholcaust, as it actually gives them more money.

    May be so, the point is that UK energy use being down 22% was an absurdity.

    You also forgot improved efficiency.

    Obvious truth , not “absurdity” you bimbo.Efficiency has been improving incrementally every year for 25 years – it has zero connection to the large drop-off in electricity here ( and I already generously allowed the people working from home theory, even though it’s clear that sharp drop in industrial output is the main thing).
    Getting individual homes, factories, buildings rebuilt or refitted in number with these efficiencies is a 15-20 year process for a big country, as it would only be the “new-build” homes, blocks or factories that are fitted immediately with these energy-saving materials- and they wouldn’t even come close to explaining a 20% + reduction . Some European countries the planning permission from local authorities is easy , others very difficult to be allowed to rebuild/retrofit a house anyway, particularly if the neighbours are against it. That’s for the material efficiency , but for the electric technological efficiency its the same story for utilities equipment that are adapted to take advantage of this – which even in the future shouldn’t reduce usage by this large amount.

    Sovoks are incredibly gullible.

    Soviets were genius as mass electrification projects you dipshit. The whole world has much to thank them for. Anyway, I suppose the next amusing BS will, by again parasiting of the SOVIET reputation for high class study in Materials science, some ameoba-brained reject will make some false claim “great Ukrainian nation has invented” some material that explains the minus 3570% reduction in energy use in 404!!!

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234

    Lol, Sovok civil “engineer” writes paragraph after paragraph of desperate screeching after he was caught gullibly believing that UK electricity use collapsed 22% in the last almost 2 years. When it declined 4.5% in 2022 compared to 2021.

    https://www.enerdata.net/estore/energy-market/united-kingdom/#:~:text=Power%20Consumption,a%205.2%25%20drop%20in%202020.

    “ In 2022, electricity consumption declined by 4.5% to 281 TWh”

    The most truthful thing in your post:


    May be so, the point is that UK energy use being down 22% was an absurdity.

    You also forgot improved efficiency.


    Obvious truth , not “absurdity” you bimbo.Efficiency has been improving incrementally every year for 25 years – it has zero connection to the large drop-off in electricity here
     
    Oops, you slipped about being in the UK. As our former host said, you moved to a crappy part of northern England. This is a desperate move only a loser would make. It also makes you a loser in two countries.

    Good that you admitted you were “here” when discussing UK.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  664. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr. XYZ

    I should have known the signs were bad when Ukrainian SU-27s and MiG29s started turning up at the Fairford Airshow, a huge military display which is very popular in my neck of the woods. Fairford is one of the main USAF bases over here.

    At one stage the SU27 pilot basically stops in mid-air, then slowly lets the nose drop forward and flies off. Most impressive. Sadly the demo pilot was killed early in the SMO. A great shame.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfIouhUECTE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEzSjxjOS4w

    Replies: @QCIC

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @QCIC

    OTOH they do have very good ejector seats.

    https://www.blackblot.com/tale-of-two-russian-jets


    At about 1,000 feet (300 meters) a mid-air collision occurred due to a combination of adverse weather conditions, faulty design of the flight plan (parallel loop), and human pilot error. Both aircraft were completely destroyed with Tresvyatsky's jet losing a wing and Beschastnov's jet effectively broken in two.

    Both pilots reacted instantaneously and ejected almost immediately as if automatically, which further confirmed the notion the western world had of the "Russian robotic pilot". Both pilots landed safely on parachutes and both struck jets crashed in unpopulated areas. Nobody was injured.

    Western aviation experts were amazed at how the ejection seats had successfully handled the very complex ejection situations that the two Russian pilots had encountered. Tresvyatsky had ejected while the airplane was inverted (aka "punch-down") and Beschastnov had ejected while his MiG-29 was in vertigo (simultaneously spinning on all its three axes of movement – vertical, lateral, horizontal).

    Aside from the superb and amazing fast reactions of both pilots, recognition eventually set in that it was a truly remarkable product that saved the lives of the two Russian pilots – the Zvezda K-36D ejection seat.

     

    https://www.blackblot.com/files/images/mig29/mig29_02.jpg

    Replies: @QCIC

  665. @Beckow
    @songbird


    ...corruption index such a joke – it doesn’t seem to account for institutionalized corruption.
     
    Only less developed societies use a direct form of corruption. The people who look at an "index" are useful idiots - those indexes are put together based on perception, e.g. they ask a lot of Western businessmen what is their perception about bribes in Turkey or Argentina, vs. Ireland. Very 'scientific'.

    There is a heavy political bias - most Western businessmen are like a fish out of water, don't speak the language, are scared (often paranoid), enjoy spinning cynical stories. If people exchange envelopes with money that is the least corruption you can have today - the real corruption are hundreds of billions distributed through institutions based on purchase orders, fake grants, 'outsourced' services, bonuses...the cash envelopes got nothing on that. If people have to sneak to each other some cash off the books it is still a fairly honest society.

    The inability of people in the West to understand this is the real problem. They buy simple narratives and obey. The fake money control doesn't hurt...that is the biggest 'corruption' of them all...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    Only less developed societies use a direct form of corruption. The people who look at an “index” are useful idiots
    If people have to sneak to each other some cash off the books it is still a fairly honest society.

    Absolutely. Just compare the sum total of the military budgets of the empire and its vassals with the military budget of the RF. Then compare the real capabilities on the battlefield. This will give you an idea of the truly frightening scale of corruption in the West. There is certainly corruption in Russia, but the scale is orders of magnitude smaller than in the West.

    Strategically, it’s high time to remember that corruption killed the Roman Empire.

    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Absolutely. Just compare the sum total of the military budgets of the empire and its vassals with the military budget of the RF. Then compare the real capabilities on the battlefield
     
    Indeed. America - defeated Iraqi military on the other side of the world and occupied the entire country in 5-6 weeks using 160,000 troops including British allies, who list a few 10,000s Kurds.

    Russia - captured 8% of Ukraine, right next door, in 2 years using 100,000s of soldiers. Failed to even hold a single provincial capital. About to score its victory of the quarter by taking Avdiivka (population 32,000 before the war).

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN


    Strategically, it’s high time to remember that corruption killed the Roman Empire.
     
    Nobody knows what killed the Roman Empire.

    Second, it didn't die. It just moved. To Constantinople. Then to Venice. Then to London. Then to New York/Washington. The Empire never ended. The term corruption implies it is possible to do without. We won't ever see that. Every organization has rules and douches who get ahead by gaming the rules committees.

    Do you think Vladimir Putin took the experimental gene medicine?

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN, @S

  666. @Gerard1234
    @AP


    22% was the decrease in use of fossil fuels in the UK in 2023. Not decrease in energy use.

    Sovoks are incredibly gullible.
     
    LMAO liar - Err, no you cretin - as I said, it's 22% electricity use DOWN in UK.
    It's so amusingly pitiful to see how desperate clowns such as yourself are to try and falsely disprove the obvious. The only reason I am not calling you a fantasist retard in this post, is because the other ridiculous failure - the Black Russian c*nt " Sudden Death" is the current "King" of this position.

    We know dumb American education puts you at a massive disadvantage, but let me give you a simple formula that even human garbage like you can understand:

    Less electricity demand= less electricity use.
     
    I know that simple equation would be good enough to make me classify as a Professor at University of Lvov/spasticsville - but even a 2 year old should understand it, just like even a 1 year old can see through your hopeless misdirection

    The information is clear that UK electricity use is massively down. Big difference between 2022 compared to 2018. Crucially post-coronavirus 2022 electricity is less than 2021. The source for UK 2023 data is just from Kovalchuk......but as he is a successful executive of a very successful and profitable energy company (lol something Banderastan state and private companies can only dream of) .....his claims are 100% credible and true of 22% decrease

    He also makes point that carbon use is increased in Europe since SMO- which is against much of their stated objectives and green energy PR BS. UK doesn't use much, if any coal, but Germany certainly does. Population increase from 1-2 million ukrops plus other migrants/refugees and own natural growth should indicate nearly as big concern of Germany's 13% decline as the UK's 22%.
    All done for the purpose of "helping" a fake,loser,disaster of a country that can't govern itself and where the puppet leaders are desperate for this ongoing khokholcaust, as it actually gives them more money.

    May be so, the point is that UK energy use being down 22% was an absurdity.

    You also forgot improved efficiency.
     
    Obvious truth , not "absurdity" you bimbo.Efficiency has been improving incrementally every year for 25 years - it has zero connection to the large drop-off in electricity here ( and I already generously allowed the people working from home theory, even though it's clear that sharp drop in industrial output is the main thing).
    Getting individual homes, factories, buildings rebuilt or refitted in number with these efficiencies is a 15-20 year process for a big country, as it would only be the "new-build" homes, blocks or factories that are fitted immediately with these energy-saving materials- and they wouldn't even come close to explaining a 20% + reduction . Some European countries the planning permission from local authorities is easy , others very difficult to be allowed to rebuild/retrofit a house anyway, particularly if the neighbours are against it. That's for the material efficiency , but for the electric technological efficiency its the same story for utilities equipment that are adapted to take advantage of this - which even in the future shouldn't reduce usage by this large amount.

    Sovoks are incredibly gullible.
     
    Soviets were genius as mass electrification projects you dipshit. The whole world has much to thank them for. Anyway, I suppose the next amusing BS will, by again parasiting of the SOVIET reputation for high class study in Materials science, some ameoba-brained reject will make some false claim "great Ukrainian nation has invented" some material that explains the minus 3570% reduction in energy use in 404!!!

    Replies: @AP

    Lol, Sovok civil “engineer” writes paragraph after paragraph of desperate screeching after he was caught gullibly believing that UK electricity use collapsed 22% in the last almost 2 years. When it declined 4.5% in 2022 compared to 2021.

    https://www.enerdata.net/estore/energy-market/united-kingdom/#:~:text=Power%20Consumption,a%205.2%25%20drop%20in%202020.

    “ In 2022, electricity consumption declined by 4.5% to 281 TWh”

    The most truthful thing in your post:

    May be so, the point is that UK energy use being down 22% was an absurdity.

    You also forgot improved efficiency.

    Obvious truth , not “absurdity” you bimbo.Efficiency has been improving incrementally every year for 25 years – it has zero connection to the large drop-off in electricity here

    Oops, you slipped about being in the UK. As our former host said, you moved to a crappy part of northern England. This is a desperate move only a loser would make. It also makes you a loser in two countries.

    Good that you admitted you were “here” when discussing UK.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @AP

    I was already too disturbed by your Applebaum post (???!!!!WTF??) to reply to this cretinism immediately:


    Lol, Sovok civil “engineer” writes paragraph after paragraph of desperate screeching after he was caught gullibly believing that UK electricity use collapsed 22% in the last almost 2 years. When it declined 4.5% in 2022 compared to 2021.

     

    Nothing is confirmed as more incorrect, than when a POS as yourself provides a link to it.

    I said, "since the start of the SMO" . Because I am a very generous gentleman and assumed "start of SMO" as the 2021 figure would still be influenced by the coronavirus and so misleading

    However, dipshit, Kovalchuk said this:

    «В Германии, да, тоже был скачок, потому что нечем было вырабатывать электроэнергию. Поэтому мы оцениваем ситуацию в их энергетике как крайне негативную. У нас есть цифры по потреблению: с 2021 по 2023 год в среднем снижение порядка 13%. В Италии — 9%, в Германии — 12%, во Франции — 16%, в Великобритании — 22% снижение. Видны сложности», — подчеркнул председатель правления «Интер РАО».

    You can ask Mr Hack to translate it for you. So its for each year of 2021, 2022 and 2023. In all of this a drop off for each of those years of 7-8% adding to 22% looks completely likely. So I was being generous, but on the other side 22% over 2 years is harsher than over 3 years. Do I care about this difference and my initial assumption? No. Does it in anyway change the ethos of my point? Of course not.

    I did look yesterday and the numbers were something like 330-350 TWh in 2018/19 .....and reduced to 270-260 TWh in 2022. As you are a deranged loser, it would not surprise me if you have subsequently mass repeat search-engined this to manipulate the search results, because at the moment what was on english-searched results yesterday has "magically" dissapeared, and you are a lunatic. Fortunately there is Kovalchuk's comment in public as a source.

    Oops, you slipped about being in the UK. As our former host said, you moved to a crappy part of northern England. This is a desperate move only a loser would make. It also makes you a loser in two countries.

    Good that you admitted you were “here” when discussing UK.
     
    LMAO. This is even dumber than the "knowledge of English football" for levels of retardedness in "detective" work in geolocation. As you are desperate, desperate about the fact I am in Kazan......your desperation to lie about it is even more desperate, so with your poisoned mind you are desperate to write any BS.

    "Here" - in this case refers to the subject being discussed you desperate, amusing, dumbf**k. Just like I would use that reference in a slidescreen presentation at work. Clearly its not a reference to geography you retarded cretin. I use "here" in that situation all the time on here . LOL. Using my english grammar skills as "proof" is hilarious in the extreme. Also, I think "over here" would be the expression anyway you idiot.

    I supposed because it's much quicker for a Russian to disprove your BS than a westerner if talking about Russia/soviet-area related things explains your drivel.........although even an illiterate Haitian knows what Mir is in Russian compared to your "knowledge"

    Returning to the subject- America from my impression has much higher proportion of younger homes.i.e not as many homes built and still being used from 1970's, 1950's,1930's even 1910's compared to western Europe. US, as with Russia has higher proportion of homes outside the city that are timber-clad, not as much masonary or brick house in comparison to western Europe. Timber-buildings and those that are younger are much easier to re-clad, re-wall around the original timber-frame of the house - and so much easier to refit to be energy efficient. So achieving this in Europe will be much harder than America.

    Replies: @AP, @AP

  667. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    Only less developed societies use a direct form of corruption. The people who look at an “index” are useful idiots
    If people have to sneak to each other some cash off the books it is still a fairly honest society.
     
    Absolutely. Just compare the sum total of the military budgets of the empire and its vassals with the military budget of the RF. Then compare the real capabilities on the battlefield. This will give you an idea of the truly frightening scale of corruption in the West. There is certainly corruption in Russia, but the scale is orders of magnitude smaller than in the West.

    Strategically, it’s high time to remember that corruption killed the Roman Empire.

    Replies: @AP, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Absolutely. Just compare the sum total of the military budgets of the empire and its vassals with the military budget of the RF. Then compare the real capabilities on the battlefield

    Indeed. America – defeated Iraqi military on the other side of the world and occupied the entire country in 5-6 weeks using 160,000 troops including British allies, who list a few 10,000s Kurds.

    Russia – captured 8% of Ukraine, right next door, in 2 years using 100,000s of soldiers. Failed to even hold a single provincial capital. About to score its victory of the quarter by taking Avdiivka (population 32,000 before the war).

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    Russia – captured 8% of Ukraine, right next door
     
    The clown recently said that it’s 26% of Ukraine. Are you saying that he is a liar, in addition to his other faults?

    Replies: @AP, @Mikhail

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Sort of reminds me of the Iran-Iraq War, then Iran failed to make significant headwinds in Iraq in the 1928-1988 time period in spite of it being the party with a much larger total population. That war was also notable for its years of trench-like warfare.

    Do you think that there is any chance of Ukraine eventually achieving a total victory in this war through the mass use of drones?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @YetAnotherAnon

  668. Whatever Musk’s flaws, have a hard time not liking him now that he is going after Disney for DIE and other politics.

    Of course, I don’t really have any hope of reform. Simply trying to roll back the woke won’t work. Things have been bad in Hollywood for quite a long time now. IMO, you are better off watching foreign movies, as they are less insulting or alienating.

    Europeans need their own cohesive, non-woke, cultural center, and it needs to be expressedly and assertively cohesive – that is the main thing. And I am not even certain it is legally possible to create such a place anywhere in the West now.

  669. Congrats, pro-Ukies! Zaluzhnyi is fired, replaced with Syrskyi. For those who don’t know, among his other equally glorious achievements, Syrskyi commanded the troops that lost Artemovsk (Bahmut). He was also the commander of failed Ukie attempt to surround it after Russia took it and cut it off. In Ukie army Syrskyi’s nickname is general-200 (200 is the military code for KIA), as he willingly sacrifices huge numbers of cannon fodder in his operations. Apparently, Ukie military is so successful that the clown deemed it necessary to change the entire team commanding the army.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN


    Congrats, pro-Ukies! Zaluzhnyi is fired, replaced with Syrskyi. For those who don’t know, among his other equally glorious achievements, Syrskyi commanded the troops that lost Artemovsk (Bahmut).
     
    Why did you forget his other great "achievements" in charge at Soledar and in 2015 at Debaltsovo !!! Its supplemented by the idiotic khokhol propaganda lies about "defence of Kiev" myth.
    On the other side though, maybe it is genius we are witnessing here and people are joking that here we have a real-life Stirlitz!

    This rat excrement is, of course, Russian, ethnically and born in Russia - with his brother and parents alive and living in Russia. Grandfather died in Saint Petersburg, 1941. He studied at Moscow Higher Combined Arms Command School.........and , naturally because its f**kheadistan, his father was a Colonel in the army. Definitely Soviet, probably going into army of Russian Federation. What type of mentally disturbed f**kup becomes head of VSU with that background?? All too typical for 404. For sure plenty joined Ukrop military 30 years before not seeing this situation happening - but this life summary is tragicomic.

    So its both a greek tragedy and further confirmation that "Ukrainianism" is a psychiatric disease that needs to be wiped out. I have said this for years, but the core to being "Ukrainian" is to:

    1.Betray your family
    2.Betray your religion
    3.Betray your culture

    A totally sick thing

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  670. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Absolutely. Just compare the sum total of the military budgets of the empire and its vassals with the military budget of the RF. Then compare the real capabilities on the battlefield
     
    Indeed. America - defeated Iraqi military on the other side of the world and occupied the entire country in 5-6 weeks using 160,000 troops including British allies, who list a few 10,000s Kurds.

    Russia - captured 8% of Ukraine, right next door, in 2 years using 100,000s of soldiers. Failed to even hold a single provincial capital. About to score its victory of the quarter by taking Avdiivka (population 32,000 before the war).

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ

    Russia – captured 8% of Ukraine, right next door

    The clown recently said that it’s 26% of Ukraine. Are you saying that he is a liar, in addition to his other faults?

    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN

    Do you believe that no politician ever misspoke?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Mikhail
    @AnonfromTN

    They overlook it's a war of attrition which has seen the Kiev regime lose considerably more military assets (personnel and equipment) than Russia, with the latter having much more in reserve.

  671. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    Only less developed societies use a direct form of corruption. The people who look at an “index” are useful idiots
    If people have to sneak to each other some cash off the books it is still a fairly honest society.
     
    Absolutely. Just compare the sum total of the military budgets of the empire and its vassals with the military budget of the RF. Then compare the real capabilities on the battlefield. This will give you an idea of the truly frightening scale of corruption in the West. There is certainly corruption in Russia, but the scale is orders of magnitude smaller than in the West.

    Strategically, it’s high time to remember that corruption killed the Roman Empire.

    Replies: @AP, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Strategically, it’s high time to remember that corruption killed the Roman Empire.

    Nobody knows what killed the Roman Empire.

    Second, it didn’t die. It just moved. To Constantinople. Then to Venice. Then to London. Then to New York/Washington. The Empire never ended. The term corruption implies it is possible to do without. We won’t ever see that. Every organization has rules and douches who get ahead by gaming the rules committees.

    Do you think Vladimir Putin took the experimental gene medicine?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    ...Roman Empire...didn’t die. It just moved. To Constantinople. Then to Venice...
     
    True. But we need buckets to sort things into...by some measures the Roman Empire reached its peak in Constantinoplw in the mid-6th century, then plague, Persians and Islam gradually put an end to it.

    The term corruption implies it is possible to do without. We won’t ever see that.
     
    Yes, and corruption is a very squishy term - is nepotism corruption, or preferential treatment?
    , @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Nobody knows what killed the Roman Empire.
     
    It is known what killed Western Roman Empire (the culmination of this event, the sack or Rome, was depicted in Western paintings many times). Rome decided to buy off “the barbarians”, allocated the money for that, and sent the money in their direction. The money “disappeared” in transit, pretty much like Ghaddafi billions “disappeared” in a “safe and reliable” Dutch bank not so long ago. Having received no promised money, “the barbarians” stormed and sacked Rome.

    Second, it didn’t die. It just moved. To Constantinople.
     
    The original Roman Empire split into Western and Eastern long before the sack of Rome. The Eastern part with the capital in Constantinople lived quite a bit longer than the Western part, but it was a different Empire with a different branch of Christianity (Orthodox) as a state religion. It was waning for a while, ultimately killed by crusaders (Catholic competitors).

    Then to London. Then to New York/Washington.
     
    British Empire had no roots in Roman, it was an independent growth. Some argue that the US Empire grew out or British (at least now the UK is the most obsequious imperial lapdog), but others argue that it’s an independent cancerous growth on the body of humanity.
    , @S
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Nobody knows what killed the Roman Empire....Second, it didn’t die. It just moved.

     

    'Rome is an eternal thought in the mind of God.'

    Rome, for better or worse, lives on it's way, though there are those who desire (were it possible) to blot out it's very memory.

    The quote above, while it might seem ancient, was in reality from the script of the 1960 movie Spartacus.

    It sounds good, though. :-D
  672. @Sean
    @Mr. Hack

    Your illustration immortalises the moment when those Russian entertainers who, having been publicly exposed for cavorting in fishnet bodystocking (0r just a sock) decadence while attending the 'Almost Naked Party', are now getting called up for active military service in Ukraine. It gives a whole new meaning to the showbiz term "Z-List Celebrity".

    There is an interesting mirror image parallel in Byzantine Iconoclasm, in which holy relics were flung in the sea and celibate monks were forced to parade hand in hand with women in the Hippodrome. It was ordered by the Emperor after Byzantium suffered military reverses.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    But the woman within this cartoon is not parading hand in hand with anybody (celibate or not), but is shielding herself from any such unsavory characters?

  673. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN


    Strategically, it’s high time to remember that corruption killed the Roman Empire.
     
    Nobody knows what killed the Roman Empire.

    Second, it didn't die. It just moved. To Constantinople. Then to Venice. Then to London. Then to New York/Washington. The Empire never ended. The term corruption implies it is possible to do without. We won't ever see that. Every organization has rules and douches who get ahead by gaming the rules committees.

    Do you think Vladimir Putin took the experimental gene medicine?

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN, @S

    …Roman Empire…didn’t die. It just moved. To Constantinople. Then to Venice…

    True. But we need buckets to sort things into…by some measures the Roman Empire reached its peak in Constantinoplw in the mid-6th century, then plague, Persians and Islam gradually put an end to it.

    The term corruption implies it is possible to do without. We won’t ever see that.

    Yes, and corruption is a very squishy term – is nepotism corruption, or preferential treatment?

  674. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN


    Strategically, it’s high time to remember that corruption killed the Roman Empire.
     
    Nobody knows what killed the Roman Empire.

    Second, it didn't die. It just moved. To Constantinople. Then to Venice. Then to London. Then to New York/Washington. The Empire never ended. The term corruption implies it is possible to do without. We won't ever see that. Every organization has rules and douches who get ahead by gaming the rules committees.

    Do you think Vladimir Putin took the experimental gene medicine?

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN, @S

    Nobody knows what killed the Roman Empire.

    It is known what killed Western Roman Empire (the culmination of this event, the sack or Rome, was depicted in Western paintings many times). Rome decided to buy off “the barbarians”, allocated the money for that, and sent the money in their direction. The money “disappeared” in transit, pretty much like Ghaddafi billions “disappeared” in a “safe and reliable” Dutch bank not so long ago. Having received no promised money, “the barbarians” stormed and sacked Rome.

    Second, it didn’t die. It just moved. To Constantinople.

    The original Roman Empire split into Western and Eastern long before the sack of Rome. The Eastern part with the capital in Constantinople lived quite a bit longer than the Western part, but it was a different Empire with a different branch of Christianity (Orthodox) as a state religion. It was waning for a while, ultimately killed by crusaders (Catholic competitors).

    Then to London. Then to New York/Washington.

    British Empire had no roots in Roman, it was an independent growth. Some argue that the US Empire grew out or British (at least now the UK is the most obsequious imperial lapdog), but others argue that it’s an independent cancerous growth on the body of humanity.

  675. SCOTUS update: (1)

    The Supreme Court on Thursday appeared ready to hold that Colorado cannot exclude former President Donald Trump from the ballot based on his role in the Jan. 6, 2021, attacks on the U.S. Capitol. During an oral argument that lasted for more than two hours, justices of all ideological stripes questioned the wisdom of allowing a state to make its own decisions about whether a candidate should appear on the ballot, both because of the effect that such decisions would have on the rest of the country and because of the hurdles that courts would face in reviewing those decisions.

    The #NeverTrump zealots will no doubt whiiiiiine…

    Many would like to think this SCOTUS decision is for the correct reasons. However, they must know what would be coming next.

      

    If Trump can be disqualified, every Democrat can also be excluded.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇
    _____________________

    (1) https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/02/supreme-court-appears-unlikely-to-kick-trump-off-colorado-ballot/

  676. https://www.thepostil.com/european-suicide-the-economic-war-against-russia/

    The United States is the biggest winner in this armed conflict. Through the Ukraine conflict, they have consolidated their control over their European and Asia-Pacific allies, achieving a level of hegemony that even exceeds that of the Cold War. The European Union has been reduced to a ward. Its governments behave like governors of Washington.

    Ukraine is suffering the greatest damage from this policy. It can only survive thanks to the help of the USA. The country is effectively bankrupt. On the one hand, the US government is trying to fuel the war between Russia and Ukraine by increasing arms aid, but on the other hand, due to a lack of majorities in Congress, it cannot ensure follow-up funding. The war in Gaza is consuming the attention of the US government elite, and it is becoming increasingly difficult for lawmakers to win the support of war-weary US voters. This means that US politics is in a dilemma.

    The European Union has thus lost its central function. Historically, it has failed as a peace project. Overzealous Atlanticists in the federal government do not represent the interests of the German population, but rather those of the USA. The German-French axis no longer sets the tone. The tandem is no longer functional. The reason is that Germany is increasingly trying to maintain its own leadership role within the EU. But the Washington-Vilnius-Warsaw-Kiev axis now sets the tone.

    • Thanks: S
  677. @AP
    @Gerard1234

    Lol, Sovok civil “engineer” writes paragraph after paragraph of desperate screeching after he was caught gullibly believing that UK electricity use collapsed 22% in the last almost 2 years. When it declined 4.5% in 2022 compared to 2021.

    https://www.enerdata.net/estore/energy-market/united-kingdom/#:~:text=Power%20Consumption,a%205.2%25%20drop%20in%202020.

    “ In 2022, electricity consumption declined by 4.5% to 281 TWh”

    The most truthful thing in your post:


    May be so, the point is that UK energy use being down 22% was an absurdity.

    You also forgot improved efficiency.


    Obvious truth , not “absurdity” you bimbo.Efficiency has been improving incrementally every year for 25 years – it has zero connection to the large drop-off in electricity here
     
    Oops, you slipped about being in the UK. As our former host said, you moved to a crappy part of northern England. This is a desperate move only a loser would make. It also makes you a loser in two countries.

    Good that you admitted you were “here” when discussing UK.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    I was already too disturbed by your Applebaum post (???!!!!WTF??) to reply to this cretinism immediately:

    Lol, Sovok civil “engineer” writes paragraph after paragraph of desperate screeching after he was caught gullibly believing that UK electricity use collapsed 22% in the last almost 2 years. When it declined 4.5% in 2022 compared to 2021.

    Nothing is confirmed as more incorrect, than when a POS as yourself provides a link to it.

    I said, “since the start of the SMO” . Because I am a very generous gentleman and assumed “start of SMO” as the 2021 figure would still be influenced by the coronavirus and so misleading

    However, dipshit, Kovalchuk said this:

    «В Германии, да, тоже был скачок, потому что нечем было вырабатывать электроэнергию. Поэтому мы оцениваем ситуацию в их энергетике как крайне негативную. У нас есть цифры по потреблению: с 2021 по 2023 год в среднем снижение порядка 13%. В Италии — 9%, в Германии — 12%, во Франции — 16%, в Великобритании — 22% снижение. Видны сложности», — подчеркнул председатель правления «Интер РАО».

    You can ask Mr Hack to translate it for you. So its for each year of 2021, 2022 and 2023. In all of this a drop off for each of those years of 7-8% adding to 22% looks completely likely. So I was being generous, but on the other side 22% over 2 years is harsher than over 3 years. Do I care about this difference and my initial assumption? No. Does it in anyway change the ethos of my point? Of course not.

    I did look yesterday and the numbers were something like 330-350 TWh in 2018/19 …..and reduced to 270-260 TWh in 2022. As you are a deranged loser, it would not surprise me if you have subsequently mass repeat search-engined this to manipulate the search results, because at the moment what was on english-searched results yesterday has “magically” dissapeared, and you are a lunatic. Fortunately there is Kovalchuk’s comment in public as a source.

    Oops, you slipped about being in the UK. As our former host said, you moved to a crappy part of northern England. This is a desperate move only a loser would make. It also makes you a loser in two countries.

    Good that you admitted you were “here” when discussing UK.

    LMAO. This is even dumber than the “knowledge of English football” for levels of retardedness in “detective” work in geolocation. As you are desperate, desperate about the fact I am in Kazan……your desperation to lie about it is even more desperate, so with your poisoned mind you are desperate to write any BS.

    “Here” – in this case refers to the subject being discussed you desperate, amusing, dumbf**k. Just like I would use that reference in a slidescreen presentation at work. Clearly its not a reference to geography you retarded cretin. I use “here” in that situation all the time on here . LOL. Using my english grammar skills as “proof” is hilarious in the extreme. Also, I think “over here” would be the expression anyway you idiot.

    I supposed because it’s much quicker for a Russian to disprove your BS than a westerner if talking about Russia/soviet-area related things explains your drivel………although even an illiterate Haitian knows what Mir is in Russian compared to your “knowledge”

    Returning to the subject- America from my impression has much higher proportion of younger homes.i.e not as many homes built and still being used from 1970’s, 1950’s,1930’s even 1910’s compared to western Europe. US, as with Russia has higher proportion of homes outside the city that are timber-clad, not as much masonary or brick house in comparison to western Europe. Timber-buildings and those that are younger are much easier to re-clad, re-wall around the original timber-frame of the house – and so much easier to refit to be energy efficient. So achieving this in Europe will be much harder than America.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234


    с 2021 по 2023 год в среднем снижение порядка 13%. В Италии — 9%, в Германии — 12%, во Франции — 16%, в Великобритании — 22% снижение
     
    That makes you even more stupid and gullible. In other words - typical Sovok civil engineer.

    https://www.enerdata.net/estore/energy-market/united-kingdom/#:~:text=Power%20Consumption,a%205.2%25%20drop%20in%202020

    1.5% increase in 2021 compared to 2020. 4.5% decrease in 2022 compared to 2021. Some Russian claims 22% decrease 2021-2023. Dumb and gullible Gerard believes him.


    Good that you admitted you were “here” when discussing UK.

    LMAO. This is even dumber than the “knowledge of English football” for levels of retardedness in “detective” work in geolocation. As you are desperate, desperate
     

    No, I was just amused when Karlin found out where you were posting from and shared with us here on this forum. Your paragraph after paragraph screeching about it betrays your desperation. So naturally I remind you of it from time to time :-)

    What do you in England? Tutor schoolchildren like Martyanov, another Sovok with a failed engineering background?


    “Here” – in this case refers to the subject being discussed
     
    Is this like when you claimed AnoninTN really meant metro lines rather than metro stations when he was caught claiming nonsensically that no metro stations were built after 1991? Even he would be too embarrassed to come up with your excuses.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    , @AP
    @Gerard1234

    Thank Unz for the easy search engine.

    When you write about the UK you write "here" but when you write about Kazan you write "there."

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/karabakh-war-2020/#comment-4209210

    "I am from Kazan, and Turkey do lots of projects and investment there in culture, religion and infrastructure"

    So in addition to being incompetent you are also a liar.

    Reminder:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-158/#comment-4794762

    " reminding people that you [Gerard] consistently post from somewhere in NW England (a region of 7 million people, so hardly a dox), in the context of your claimed authority as a denizen of Kazan and a hardcore Russian patriot "

    Maybe Beckow can help you now? I caught him lying about NATO not saying Ukraine would join after Russia invaded (it still says it). He didn't respond.

  678. @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    Russia – captured 8% of Ukraine, right next door
     
    The clown recently said that it’s 26% of Ukraine. Are you saying that he is a liar, in addition to his other faults?

    Replies: @AP, @Mikhail

    Do you believe that no politician ever misspoke?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    Do you believe that no politician ever misspoke?
     
    Of course not. Just a fresh example: right after Carlson’s interview with Putin came out on Twitter Biden got out of the White House and stated that he has no problems with memory. To reinforce this point he called Egyptian president As-Sisi the president of Mexico.

    Taking into account Biden’s earlier statements that in 2021 he talked to Mitterrand (died in 1996) and Kohl (died in 2017), one has to admit that Biden has no problems with memory whatsoever. In terms of entertainment value he beats Kiev clown hands down.

    Replies: @songbird

  679. @Gerard1234
    @AP

    I was already too disturbed by your Applebaum post (???!!!!WTF??) to reply to this cretinism immediately:


    Lol, Sovok civil “engineer” writes paragraph after paragraph of desperate screeching after he was caught gullibly believing that UK electricity use collapsed 22% in the last almost 2 years. When it declined 4.5% in 2022 compared to 2021.

     

    Nothing is confirmed as more incorrect, than when a POS as yourself provides a link to it.

    I said, "since the start of the SMO" . Because I am a very generous gentleman and assumed "start of SMO" as the 2021 figure would still be influenced by the coronavirus and so misleading

    However, dipshit, Kovalchuk said this:

    «В Германии, да, тоже был скачок, потому что нечем было вырабатывать электроэнергию. Поэтому мы оцениваем ситуацию в их энергетике как крайне негативную. У нас есть цифры по потреблению: с 2021 по 2023 год в среднем снижение порядка 13%. В Италии — 9%, в Германии — 12%, во Франции — 16%, в Великобритании — 22% снижение. Видны сложности», — подчеркнул председатель правления «Интер РАО».

    You can ask Mr Hack to translate it for you. So its for each year of 2021, 2022 and 2023. In all of this a drop off for each of those years of 7-8% adding to 22% looks completely likely. So I was being generous, but on the other side 22% over 2 years is harsher than over 3 years. Do I care about this difference and my initial assumption? No. Does it in anyway change the ethos of my point? Of course not.

    I did look yesterday and the numbers were something like 330-350 TWh in 2018/19 .....and reduced to 270-260 TWh in 2022. As you are a deranged loser, it would not surprise me if you have subsequently mass repeat search-engined this to manipulate the search results, because at the moment what was on english-searched results yesterday has "magically" dissapeared, and you are a lunatic. Fortunately there is Kovalchuk's comment in public as a source.

    Oops, you slipped about being in the UK. As our former host said, you moved to a crappy part of northern England. This is a desperate move only a loser would make. It also makes you a loser in two countries.

    Good that you admitted you were “here” when discussing UK.
     
    LMAO. This is even dumber than the "knowledge of English football" for levels of retardedness in "detective" work in geolocation. As you are desperate, desperate about the fact I am in Kazan......your desperation to lie about it is even more desperate, so with your poisoned mind you are desperate to write any BS.

    "Here" - in this case refers to the subject being discussed you desperate, amusing, dumbf**k. Just like I would use that reference in a slidescreen presentation at work. Clearly its not a reference to geography you retarded cretin. I use "here" in that situation all the time on here . LOL. Using my english grammar skills as "proof" is hilarious in the extreme. Also, I think "over here" would be the expression anyway you idiot.

    I supposed because it's much quicker for a Russian to disprove your BS than a westerner if talking about Russia/soviet-area related things explains your drivel.........although even an illiterate Haitian knows what Mir is in Russian compared to your "knowledge"

    Returning to the subject- America from my impression has much higher proportion of younger homes.i.e not as many homes built and still being used from 1970's, 1950's,1930's even 1910's compared to western Europe. US, as with Russia has higher proportion of homes outside the city that are timber-clad, not as much masonary or brick house in comparison to western Europe. Timber-buildings and those that are younger are much easier to re-clad, re-wall around the original timber-frame of the house - and so much easier to refit to be energy efficient. So achieving this in Europe will be much harder than America.

    Replies: @AP, @AP

    с 2021 по 2023 год в среднем снижение порядка 13%. В Италии — 9%, в Германии — 12%, во Франции — 16%, в Великобритании — 22% снижение

    That makes you even more stupid and gullible. In other words – typical Sovok civil engineer.

    https://www.enerdata.net/estore/energy-market/united-kingdom/#:~:text=Power%20Consumption,a%205.2%25%20drop%20in%202020

    1.5% increase in 2021 compared to 2020. 4.5% decrease in 2022 compared to 2021. Some Russian claims 22% decrease 2021-2023. Dumb and gullible Gerard believes him.

    Good that you admitted you were “here” when discussing UK.

    LMAO. This is even dumber than the “knowledge of English football” for levels of retardedness in “detective” work in geolocation. As you are desperate, desperate

    No, I was just amused when Karlin found out where you were posting from and shared with us here on this forum. Your paragraph after paragraph screeching about it betrays your desperation. So naturally I remind you of it from time to time 🙂

    What do you in England? Tutor schoolchildren like Martyanov, another Sovok with a failed engineering background?

    “Here” – in this case refers to the subject being discussed

    Is this like when you claimed AnoninTN really meant metro lines rather than metro stations when he was caught claiming nonsensically that no metro stations were built after 1991? Even he would be too embarrassed to come up with your excuses.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @AP


    That makes you even more stupid and gullible. In other words – typical Sovok civil engineer.

    https://www.enerdata.net/estore/energy-market/united-kingdom/#:~:text=Power%20Consumption,a%205.2%25%20drop%20in%202020

    1.5% increase in 2021 compared to 2020. 4.5% decrease in 2022 compared to 2021
     
    LOL - I already told you about these idiotic random BS links of yours. I attach zero truth to them you prick. As I said, 2 days before on english-language results it was made very clear that UK was at something like 330--350TWh pre-coronavirus, about 270TWh in 2022 ( so not including 2023 drop). I am not willing to look at this for more than 3 minutes (we know you have plenty of time) - so from what I can see "miraculously" the stuff there is completely changed and contradictory after you started manipulating searches- some things saying well over 300TWh electricity used in UK in 2022 (clearly BS), others saying something like 275TWh. With all that contradictory BS I am perfectly satisfied to believe someone of standing of Kovalchuk.

    However, all the stuff there from my quick search still say that UK domestic electricity consumption for 2022 DOWN 10+% - so even that aligns with Kovalchuk!!Its indisputable that Industrial output is significantly reduced - and the same should apply to the other field of electricity use - commercial.

    As example, it may appear minor thing but still highly indicative- if women in west are working most days from home remotely - then they are not going to hairdresser or shopping for clothes at anywhere close to frequency they would if physically going into work each day. Plus the internet shopping factor for the clothes. All these type of things accumulate into significant percentage. Women are religious about their hair.

    In addition, when I checked the German 2 days before - the numbers fully aligned with Kovalchuk 12% drop - 510+TWh in 2021 vs 450+TWh in 2023.

    Some Russian claims 22% decrease 2021-2023.
     
    CEO of world-relevant company you dipshit..speaking directly to Putin. Also I know you are a fake khokhol...but even I would expect a fantasist retard like you to appreciate an "ethnic" Ukrainian in a high position.......it's a rarity to non-existant in Ukraine itself, LMAO.

    Is this like when you claimed AnoninTN really meant metro lines rather than metro stations when he was caught claiming nonsensically that no metro stations were built after 1991? Even he would be too embarrassed to come up with your excuses.
     
    Clearly he did - as not building a single metro line for 33 years is itself an embarassing disaster. If not then its clear that unlike you he knows the Kiev Metro so its a simple and irrelevant mispoke that's very easy to do with the 3 interchangeable f**kups of the Ukronazi regime of 1991, 2004, 2014. As I said, countless important things not done in 404 start with the sentence "since 1991". He has the credibility that he's not lying or ignorant and he's completely honest and very knowledgeable - that's the complete opposite of yourself of course.

    I also made clear that majority of the few stations built after 1991 were entirely Soviet projects - designed and approved then, most even started building before until Soviet collapse prevented completion - so he could be classifying them that way. As a user of the Kiev Metro ( so again, completely different to you) he could easily have been going on personal experience - the few khokhol stations are not the type indicative of city expanding, or outside metropolitan area moving into city area (like Moscow oblast to Moscow city)....these few are like outstations servicing national transport links.

    Your paragraph after paragraph screeching about it betrays your desperation.
     

    No, I was just amused when Karlin found out where you were posting from and shared with us here on this forum.
     
    You're the one screeching dipshit.........and conducting abnormal hours of "detective" work to (non)prove your cretinous lies, LOL. How pitiful- though expected for a sociopathic lowlife. Karlin proved jackshit, because the entire premise is jackshit. It was during Karlin's bizarre "tag-team" phase with scum as yourself (probably because the more posts, and you have nothing to do with your time other than lie and post......then the better traffic for his blog) that he invented this laughable nonsense.Clearly also, its untrue he never met scum as yourself in Moscow as you have never been there and are the lowest common denominator of humanity - so I wouldnt expect him to visit your basement if he was in the US. But Karlins a decent guy despite that silliness, excellent blogger, and I wish him all the best

    Replies: @AP

  680. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Mr. XYZ

    Because conservative Judaism was much more popular in the interwar Poland than liberal one. Also, at that time if you married outside you were supposed to "assimilate". There was no experience of marriages in which both faiths were celebrated.
    Moreover, Talmudic Judaism is matrilineal, and it is always harder to marry outside your group for women, who are also usually more conservative in terms of religion.
    Jews have the story of Esther, but she marries a king - neatly corresponding with the universal female fantasy of marrying a prince - not a prole.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Was conservative Judaism or liberal Judaism more dominant in Russia before the 1917 revolutions? Though I suppose that you could say that the massive subsequent Bolshevik-led secularization campaign converted many conservative Jews in Russia into liberal Jews.

    You are correct that Jewish men are more likely to intermarry than Jewish women are. This makes the matrilineal rule for Judaism even less logical in the present era, especially now with widely available DNA testing.

  681. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Social pressure of cousins to marry cousins (Albert and Elsa were cousins on both paternal and maternal side):


    For starters, a letter written by Albert showed that he wasn’t in much of a rush to marry Elsa. “The attempts to force me into marriage come from my cousin’s parents and is mainly attributable to vanity, though moral prejudice, which is still very much alive in the old generation,” he complained in 1915.
     
    Albert wanted to go full Maimonides, for his "perfect marriage" of uncle and niece, but it didn't work:

    "What’s more, Albert had even floated the idea of marrying someone else — Elsa’s daughter, 20-year-old daughter Ilse. Ilse had worked as Albert’s secretary and saw him as a father figure but had no desire to be his wife."
     
    https://allthatsinteresting.com/elsa-einstein

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Social pressure of cousins to marry cousins (Albert and Elsa were cousins on both paternal and maternal side):

    So, they were essentially like brother and sister (sharing all four grandparents in common), similar to French King Louis XIV and his wife.

  682. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Absolutely. Just compare the sum total of the military budgets of the empire and its vassals with the military budget of the RF. Then compare the real capabilities on the battlefield
     
    Indeed. America - defeated Iraqi military on the other side of the world and occupied the entire country in 5-6 weeks using 160,000 troops including British allies, who list a few 10,000s Kurds.

    Russia - captured 8% of Ukraine, right next door, in 2 years using 100,000s of soldiers. Failed to even hold a single provincial capital. About to score its victory of the quarter by taking Avdiivka (population 32,000 before the war).

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. XYZ

    Sort of reminds me of the Iran-Iraq War, then Iran failed to make significant headwinds in Iraq in the 1928-1988 time period in spite of it being the party with a much larger total population. That war was also notable for its years of trench-like warfare.

    Do you think that there is any chance of Ukraine eventually achieving a total victory in this war through the mass use of drones?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    "Sort of reminds me of the Iran-Iraq War, *when* Iran failed to make significant headwinds in Iraq in the *1982*-1988 time period in spite of it being the party with a much larger total population. That war was also notable for its years of trench-like warfare."

    (Corrected typos.)

    Replies: @Sean

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr. XYZ

    In those years Iraq was being armed by the West (and Iran were doing human wave stuff, hoping morale would overcome firepower).

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  683. @Gerard1234
    @AP

    I was already too disturbed by your Applebaum post (???!!!!WTF??) to reply to this cretinism immediately:


    Lol, Sovok civil “engineer” writes paragraph after paragraph of desperate screeching after he was caught gullibly believing that UK electricity use collapsed 22% in the last almost 2 years. When it declined 4.5% in 2022 compared to 2021.

     

    Nothing is confirmed as more incorrect, than when a POS as yourself provides a link to it.

    I said, "since the start of the SMO" . Because I am a very generous gentleman and assumed "start of SMO" as the 2021 figure would still be influenced by the coronavirus and so misleading

    However, dipshit, Kovalchuk said this:

    «В Германии, да, тоже был скачок, потому что нечем было вырабатывать электроэнергию. Поэтому мы оцениваем ситуацию в их энергетике как крайне негативную. У нас есть цифры по потреблению: с 2021 по 2023 год в среднем снижение порядка 13%. В Италии — 9%, в Германии — 12%, во Франции — 16%, в Великобритании — 22% снижение. Видны сложности», — подчеркнул председатель правления «Интер РАО».

    You can ask Mr Hack to translate it for you. So its for each year of 2021, 2022 and 2023. In all of this a drop off for each of those years of 7-8% adding to 22% looks completely likely. So I was being generous, but on the other side 22% over 2 years is harsher than over 3 years. Do I care about this difference and my initial assumption? No. Does it in anyway change the ethos of my point? Of course not.

    I did look yesterday and the numbers were something like 330-350 TWh in 2018/19 .....and reduced to 270-260 TWh in 2022. As you are a deranged loser, it would not surprise me if you have subsequently mass repeat search-engined this to manipulate the search results, because at the moment what was on english-searched results yesterday has "magically" dissapeared, and you are a lunatic. Fortunately there is Kovalchuk's comment in public as a source.

    Oops, you slipped about being in the UK. As our former host said, you moved to a crappy part of northern England. This is a desperate move only a loser would make. It also makes you a loser in two countries.

    Good that you admitted you were “here” when discussing UK.
     
    LMAO. This is even dumber than the "knowledge of English football" for levels of retardedness in "detective" work in geolocation. As you are desperate, desperate about the fact I am in Kazan......your desperation to lie about it is even more desperate, so with your poisoned mind you are desperate to write any BS.

    "Here" - in this case refers to the subject being discussed you desperate, amusing, dumbf**k. Just like I would use that reference in a slidescreen presentation at work. Clearly its not a reference to geography you retarded cretin. I use "here" in that situation all the time on here . LOL. Using my english grammar skills as "proof" is hilarious in the extreme. Also, I think "over here" would be the expression anyway you idiot.

    I supposed because it's much quicker for a Russian to disprove your BS than a westerner if talking about Russia/soviet-area related things explains your drivel.........although even an illiterate Haitian knows what Mir is in Russian compared to your "knowledge"

    Returning to the subject- America from my impression has much higher proportion of younger homes.i.e not as many homes built and still being used from 1970's, 1950's,1930's even 1910's compared to western Europe. US, as with Russia has higher proportion of homes outside the city that are timber-clad, not as much masonary or brick house in comparison to western Europe. Timber-buildings and those that are younger are much easier to re-clad, re-wall around the original timber-frame of the house - and so much easier to refit to be energy efficient. So achieving this in Europe will be much harder than America.

    Replies: @AP, @AP

    Thank Unz for the easy search engine.

    When you write about the UK you write “here” but when you write about Kazan you write “there.”

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/karabakh-war-2020/#comment-4209210

    “I am from Kazan, and Turkey do lots of projects and investment there in culture, religion and infrastructure”

    So in addition to being incompetent you are also a liar.

    Reminder:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-158/#comment-4794762

    ” reminding people that you [Gerard] consistently post from somewhere in NW England (a region of 7 million people, so hardly a dox), in the context of your claimed authority as a denizen of Kazan and a hardcore Russian patriot ”

    Maybe Beckow can help you now? I caught him lying about NATO not saying Ukraine would join after Russia invaded (it still says it). He didn’t respond.

  684. @AP
    @AnonfromTN

    Do you believe that no politician ever misspoke?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Do you believe that no politician ever misspoke?

    Of course not. Just a fresh example: right after Carlson’s interview with Putin came out on Twitter Biden got out of the White House and stated that he has no problems with memory. To reinforce this point he called Egyptian president As-Sisi the president of Mexico.

    Taking into account Biden’s earlier statements that in 2021 he talked to Mitterrand (died in 1996) and Kohl (died in 2017), one has to admit that Biden has no problems with memory whatsoever. In terms of entertainment value he beats Kiev clown hands down.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AnonfromTN


    To reinforce this point he called Egyptian president As-Sisi the president of Mexico.
     
    To be fair to Biden, Sí-sí does sound Spanish.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  685. Haus Vaterland (I want to say ‘Klub Vaterland’ for some reason 🙂 ) was a happening place in central Berlin in it’s day.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haus_Vaterland

    Haus Vaterland (Fatherland House) was a pleasure palace on the south-east side of Potsdamer Platz in central Berlin. Preceded by Haus Potsdam, a multi-use building including a large cinema and a huge café, from 1928 to 1943 it was a large, famous establishment including the largest cafe in the world, a major cinema, a large ballroom and numerous theme restaurants, promoted as a showcase of all nations. It was partially destroyed by fire in World War II, reopened in a limited form until 1953, and was finally demolished in 1976.

    It was an enormous and popular establishment, and like Haus Potsdam before it, is frequently alluded to in both artistic and tourist contexts, for example in Irmgard Keun’s 1932 novel Das kunstseidene Mädchen (The Artificial Silk Girl). Its combination of spectacle, variety performances, international dining and cinema was unique. Large sees it as having been “a kind of proto-Disney World”. The building could accommodate up to 8,000 people; the 4,454 square metres of theme restaurants had a capacity of 3,500 people and Café Vaterland was the largest in the world; the one millionth guest was recorded in October 1929, barely a year after the opening.

    [MORE]

    Interestingly, the building design of Haus Vaterland had been influenced by that of the Ravenna mausoleum of Theoderic the Great (454 – 526), the restorer of Rome’s ancient monuments, and the ruler of the Ostrogothic Kingdom of Italy from 493 – 526.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodoric_the_Great

    Theodoric promoted the rebuilding of Roman cities and the preservation of ancient monuments in Italy. In 500, Rome itself was given special attention by Theodoric, who wanted to restore the structures previously damaged by time and the barbarians alike, since as he mused, Rome’s great buildings were witness to its grandeur, power, and thereto instructed his architects to restore all that was “ancient”. His preservation efforts were designed to elicit awe and admiration in future generations. The fame of Theodoric’s building works reached far-away Syria. In the aggregate, Theodoric’s building program saw more extensive new construction and restoration than that of any of the West Roman emperors after Honorius (395–423).

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S

    Have you ever read Wilhelm Reich's book on Mass Psychology of Fascism? It's been a few years since I read it but the passage in there that always stuck with me is that he got his inspiration for expansion of the psycho dynamic theories from the individual to the society from his time living in Berlin, when the entire society had become psychotic.

    Now I am almost sure what he meant was the National Socialists, but the lefties were as bad if not worse. They had things like donkey human sex shows in nightclubs. The hole in the middle of the society was deep and it seems to me the progressives were as responsible as the nazis. It is a rather disturbing parallel to now when the progressives are teaching kindergarten children about how great anal sex is and you might really be the opposite sex on the inside and how come these crazies don't even seem to think that maybe they are going to provoke an extremely bad reaction.

    Replies: @S

  686. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN


    Strategically, it’s high time to remember that corruption killed the Roman Empire.
     
    Nobody knows what killed the Roman Empire.

    Second, it didn't die. It just moved. To Constantinople. Then to Venice. Then to London. Then to New York/Washington. The Empire never ended. The term corruption implies it is possible to do without. We won't ever see that. Every organization has rules and douches who get ahead by gaming the rules committees.

    Do you think Vladimir Putin took the experimental gene medicine?

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN, @S

    Nobody knows what killed the Roman Empire….Second, it didn’t die. It just moved.

    ‘Rome is an eternal thought in the mind of God.’

    Rome, for better or worse, lives on it’s way, though there are those who desire (were it possible) to blot out it’s very memory.

    The quote above, while it might seem ancient, was in reality from the script of the 1960 movie Spartacus.

    It sounds good, though. 😀

  687. @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    Do you believe that no politician ever misspoke?
     
    Of course not. Just a fresh example: right after Carlson’s interview with Putin came out on Twitter Biden got out of the White House and stated that he has no problems with memory. To reinforce this point he called Egyptian president As-Sisi the president of Mexico.

    Taking into account Biden’s earlier statements that in 2021 he talked to Mitterrand (died in 1996) and Kohl (died in 2017), one has to admit that Biden has no problems with memory whatsoever. In terms of entertainment value he beats Kiev clown hands down.

    Replies: @songbird

    To reinforce this point he called Egyptian president As-Sisi the president of Mexico.

    To be fair to Biden, Sí-sí does sound Spanish.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    To be fair to Biden, Sí-sí does sound Spanish.
     
    Especially when you don’t remember what you ate for dinner and when you peed last time.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  688. @S
    Haus Vaterland (I want to say 'Klub Vaterland' for some reason :-) ) was a happening place in central Berlin in it's day.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haus_Vaterland

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Bundesarchiv_Bild_102-13681%2C_Berlin%2C_Stresemannstraße_bei_Nacht.jpg

    Haus Vaterland (Fatherland House) was a pleasure palace on the south-east side of Potsdamer Platz in central Berlin. Preceded by Haus Potsdam, a multi-use building including a large cinema and a huge café, from 1928 to 1943 it was a large, famous establishment including the largest cafe in the world, a major cinema, a large ballroom and numerous theme restaurants, promoted as a showcase of all nations. It was partially destroyed by fire in World War II, reopened in a limited form until 1953, and was finally demolished in 1976.

    It was an enormous and popular establishment, and like Haus Potsdam before it, is frequently alluded to in both artistic and tourist contexts, for example in Irmgard Keun's 1932 novel Das kunstseidene Mädchen (The Artificial Silk Girl). Its combination of spectacle, variety performances, international dining and cinema was unique. Large sees it as having been "a kind of proto-Disney World". The building could accommodate up to 8,000 people; the 4,454 square metres of theme restaurants had a capacity of 3,500 people and Café Vaterland was the largest in the world; the one millionth guest was recorded in October 1929, barely a year after the opening.
     


    Interestingly, the building design of Haus Vaterland had been influenced by that of the Ravenna mausoleum of Theoderic the Great (454 - 526), the restorer of Rome's ancient monuments, and the ruler of the Ostrogothic Kingdom of Italy from 493 - 526.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodoric_the_Great

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Tomb_of_Theodoric_the_Great_Ravenna_%28cropped%29.jpg/288px-Tomb_of_Theodoric_the_Great_Ravenna_%28cropped%29.jpg

    Theodoric promoted the rebuilding of Roman cities and the preservation of ancient monuments in Italy. In 500, Rome itself was given special attention by Theodoric, who wanted to restore the structures previously damaged by time and the barbarians alike, since as he mused, Rome's great buildings were witness to its grandeur, power, and thereto instructed his architects to restore all that was "ancient". His preservation efforts were designed to elicit awe and admiration in future generations. The fame of Theodoric's building works reached far-away Syria. In the aggregate, Theodoric's building program saw more extensive new construction and restoration than that of any of the West Roman emperors after Honorius (395–423).
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Have you ever read Wilhelm Reich’s book on Mass Psychology of Fascism? It’s been a few years since I read it but the passage in there that always stuck with me is that he got his inspiration for expansion of the psycho dynamic theories from the individual to the society from his time living in Berlin, when the entire society had become psychotic.

    Now I am almost sure what he meant was the National Socialists, but the lefties were as bad if not worse. They had things like donkey human sex shows in nightclubs. The hole in the middle of the society was deep and it seems to me the progressives were as responsible as the nazis. It is a rather disturbing parallel to now when the progressives are teaching kindergarten children about how great anal sex is and you might really be the opposite sex on the inside and how come these crazies don’t even seem to think that maybe they are going to provoke an extremely bad reaction.

    • Replies: @S
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Have you ever read Wilhelm Reich’s book on Mass Psychology of Fascism?
     
    No, I haven't.

    The hole in the middle of the society was deep and it seems to me the progressives were as responsible as the nazis.
     
    I'd tend to agree with much of that.

    I place a lot of the blame for the rise of Fascism and National Socialism, and WWII itself, on so called modern 'progressivism', with it's artificial Capitalist and Communist wings (ie 'Right' and 'Left'), and the peoples of the world, whether they liked it or not, trapped in the middle between them.

    The rise of Fascism and National Socialism were in certain ways, albeit imperfect to be sure, simply desperate attempts by various peoples to survive this bewildering for them two pronged fanatical extremist dialectical onslaught, and the nearly impossible social conditions this manufactured dialectic had created for them.

    The progressives would protest that Fascism and National Socialism were simply manifestations of innate tendencies the peoples who adopted such systems already had, and that they had nothing to do with it.

    Of that last assertion I am none too sure.
  689. @songbird
    @AnonfromTN


    To reinforce this point he called Egyptian president As-Sisi the president of Mexico.
     
    To be fair to Biden, Sí-sí does sound Spanish.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    To be fair to Biden, Sí-sí does sound Spanish.

    Especially when you don’t remember what you ate for dinner and when you peed last time.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    You realize the opposition on average isn't any different, right?

    Do you think Vladimir Putin took the experimental gene medicine?

  690. @AnonfromTN
    @songbird


    To be fair to Biden, Sí-sí does sound Spanish.
     
    Especially when you don’t remember what you ate for dinner and when you peed last time.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    You realize the opposition on average isn’t any different, right?

    Do you think Vladimir Putin took the experimental gene medicine?

  691. Pardon if already noted:

    https://www.rt.com/russia/592140-ukraines-top-general-brother/

    The parents and brother of Ukraine’s new commander-in-chief Aleksandr Syrsky are living in Russia, multiple Russian news outlets reported.

    On Thursday, President Vladimir Zelensky announced that he had chosen Syrsky to replace his top general, Valery Zaluzhny. The reshuffle took place months after the failed Ukrainian counteroffensive and amid the deteriorating situation on the battlefield.

    Colonel General Syrsky was born in Russia’s western Vladimir region when both Russia and Ukraine were part of the Soviet Union. His brother Oleg still resides in the provincial capital of Vladimir, news agency TASS said.

    Oleg told reporters that he has not spoken to his close relative in years. “I don’t communicate with him. I don’t even know where he is,” Oleg told TASS. “I don’t know anything about him. It’s been a very long time since he moved [to Ukraine].”

    According to their social media accounts, Syrsky’s parents regularly attend the celebrations of Russia’s victory in World War II and have liked some pro-Moscow content online. The posts reportedly liked by Syrsky’s mother include a message wishing “good health” to President Vladimir Putin.

    Aleksandr Syrsky graduated from a military academy in Moscow and was serving in Ukraine when it declared independence in 1991. He took an active part in the war in Donbass in the 2010s. According to Zelensky, he played a major role in the 2022 defense of Kiev against the Russian troops and the offensive in Kharkov later that year.

    Syrsky has maintained a relatively low-key profile compared to his predecessor Zaluzhny, who often spoke to domestic and foreign press and has written several essays about the course of the conflict.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Mikhail

    Vladimir and Suzdal are a must for visiting when in Moscow.

    , @QCIC
    @Mikhail

    I wonder if Syrsky is fluent in Ukrainian?

    Does he have a Ukrainian wif?

  692. @AnonfromTN
    @AP


    Russia – captured 8% of Ukraine, right next door
     
    The clown recently said that it’s 26% of Ukraine. Are you saying that he is a liar, in addition to his other faults?

    Replies: @AP, @Mikhail

    They overlook it’s a war of attrition which has seen the Kiev regime lose considerably more military assets (personnel and equipment) than Russia, with the latter having much more in reserve.

  693. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Sort of reminds me of the Iran-Iraq War, then Iran failed to make significant headwinds in Iraq in the 1928-1988 time period in spite of it being the party with a much larger total population. That war was also notable for its years of trench-like warfare.

    Do you think that there is any chance of Ukraine eventually achieving a total victory in this war through the mass use of drones?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @YetAnotherAnon

    “Sort of reminds me of the Iran-Iraq War, *when* Iran failed to make significant headwinds in Iraq in the *1982*-1988 time period in spite of it being the party with a much larger total population. That war was also notable for its years of trench-like warfare.”

    (Corrected typos.)

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Mr. XYZ

    The secret backers of Iran included Israel, who wanted to keep the war going, not for Iran to win. The effect of the US halting arms and other support for Ukraine would be the begining of the end for them because of the effect on Ukrainian morale. The US cut off of aid to Nationalist China was rescinded but the psychological effect of the US not being totally committed created a similar collapse in morale. Actually I do not think it at all obvious that Washington wants Ukraine to attain total recovery of all its lost territories; going by the help being quite modest compared to what it could be, the US objective in giving it is a very limited victory for Russia.

    It seems to me that only a fool would say with any degree of certainty that Russia has reached its warfighting zenith. If for the sake of argument we assume Russia was in a position of disadvantage with no hope of building enough tanks ETC, then they would still have a range of non conventional options. And were they to cross that Rubicon against Ukraine, conventional retaliation against Russia by the US would be fraught with danger.

    I am not sure about this idea that given enough US arms supplies the Ukrainians will carry on for as long as it takes, Arms are half of it but there has to be a supply of new Ukrainian soldiers using the weapons. There is no particular reason to think Ukraine's population are any less unhappy with the casualties than Russia's is.

  694. @Mikhail
    Pardon if already noted:

    https://www.rt.com/russia/592140-ukraines-top-general-brother/


    The parents and brother of Ukraine’s new commander-in-chief Aleksandr Syrsky are living in Russia, multiple Russian news outlets reported.

    On Thursday, President Vladimir Zelensky announced that he had chosen Syrsky to replace his top general, Valery Zaluzhny. The reshuffle took place months after the failed Ukrainian counteroffensive and amid the deteriorating situation on the battlefield.

    Colonel General Syrsky was born in Russia’s western Vladimir region when both Russia and Ukraine were part of the Soviet Union. His brother Oleg still resides in the provincial capital of Vladimir, news agency TASS said.

    Oleg told reporters that he has not spoken to his close relative in years. “I don’t communicate with him. I don’t even know where he is,” Oleg told TASS. “I don’t know anything about him. It’s been a very long time since he moved [to Ukraine].”

    According to their social media accounts, Syrsky’s parents regularly attend the celebrations of Russia’s victory in World War II and have liked some pro-Moscow content online. The posts reportedly liked by Syrsky’s mother include a message wishing “good health” to President Vladimir Putin.

    Aleksandr Syrsky graduated from a military academy in Moscow and was serving in Ukraine when it declared independence in 1991. He took an active part in the war in Donbass in the 2010s. According to Zelensky, he played a major role in the 2022 defense of Kiev against the Russian troops and the offensive in Kharkov later that year.

    Syrsky has maintained a relatively low-key profile compared to his predecessor Zaluzhny, who often spoke to domestic and foreign press and has written several essays about the course of the conflict.
     

    Replies: @LondonBob, @QCIC

    Vladimir and Suzdal are a must for visiting when in Moscow.

  695. • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS2clpk5p0934o4ueanzqy7fjKyC_ihWtnhBdSL-URz2kxH_7HY

  696. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vadda_Ghalughara

    Day when 70% of Sikhs were killed by Afghan forces.

    Sikhs regrouped within months, and soon made Afghanistan a tributary state.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Sher Singh

    So not just the English, Russians, and Americans, but martial Sikhs too were repeatedly defeated by Afghans..?!

    I would say Afghans do not get credit which they deserve.

    Replies: @songbird, @Sher Singh, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  697. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S

    Have you ever read Wilhelm Reich's book on Mass Psychology of Fascism? It's been a few years since I read it but the passage in there that always stuck with me is that he got his inspiration for expansion of the psycho dynamic theories from the individual to the society from his time living in Berlin, when the entire society had become psychotic.

    Now I am almost sure what he meant was the National Socialists, but the lefties were as bad if not worse. They had things like donkey human sex shows in nightclubs. The hole in the middle of the society was deep and it seems to me the progressives were as responsible as the nazis. It is a rather disturbing parallel to now when the progressives are teaching kindergarten children about how great anal sex is and you might really be the opposite sex on the inside and how come these crazies don't even seem to think that maybe they are going to provoke an extremely bad reaction.

    Replies: @S

    Have you ever read Wilhelm Reich’s book on Mass Psychology of Fascism?

    No, I haven’t.

    The hole in the middle of the society was deep and it seems to me the progressives were as responsible as the nazis.

    I’d tend to agree with much of that.

    I place a lot of the blame for the rise of Fascism and National Socialism, and WWII itself, on so called modern ‘progressivism’, with it’s artificial Capitalist and Communist wings (ie ‘Right’ and ‘Left’), and the peoples of the world, whether they liked it or not, trapped in the middle between them.

    The rise of Fascism and National Socialism were in certain ways, albeit imperfect to be sure, simply desperate attempts by various peoples to survive this bewildering for them two pronged fanatical extremist dialectical onslaught, and the nearly impossible social conditions this manufactured dialectic had created for them.

    The progressives would protest that Fascism and National Socialism were simply manifestations of innate tendencies the peoples who adopted such systems already had, and that they had nothing to do with it.

    Of that last assertion I am none too sure.

  698. @Sher Singh
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vadda_Ghalughara

    Day when 70% of Sikhs were killed by Afghan forces.

    Sikhs regrouped within months, and soon made Afghanistan a tributary state.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    So not just the English, Russians, and Americans, but martial Sikhs too were repeatedly defeated by Afghans..?!

    I would say Afghans do not get credit which they deserve.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Have wondered if there is a conspiracy at Netflix to try to tamp down the Sikhs. I tried to find some Sikh movie about warriors, and all I could find is this film written and directed by a Singh:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet:_Ek_Prem_Katha

    Afraid it triggers my disgust reflex when it talks about the lack of toilets leading to sexual harassment. Think it is also remarkable how it is 2.5 hrs long.

    Perhaps, Netflix Canada would be different.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    , @Sher Singh
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Punjabi-Afghan conflicts go back to ancient times.
    The first 3 were more defeated by the terrain.

    There's nothing in Afghanistan worth taking if you own Peshaur + the big cities.
    Its main utility is as a crossroads.
    ---

    This seems like you taking a jibe more than anything.
    Since, being a believing Christian you need to be #1 on the victim pole.

    https://twitter.com/MikeGillYYC/status/1739033010497097976

    Go worship niggers or something, Shoo.

    There's no point trying to have rational discourse with you.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce?useskin=vector

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Most history newbies don't give Poles enough credit, and thought you guys "charged on horseback against German tanks" and got rolled over in a month. What a pathetic, hapless people.

    They they learned about Poland was up to before that, and all the plumber and light bulb jokes start to make sense.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/PolishAnnexationsAfter1938.png

  699. Tuck’s got it:

    https://tuckercarlson.com/the-vladimir-putin-interview/

    Putin is knowledgeable and serious. He’s a man you can reason with. Unlike America’s leaders, Putin seems to care about his people.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Goddard

    Nothing to do with Putin's personality or the system he heads. It's just geopolitics.

  700. @AnonfromTN
    Congrats, pro-Ukies! Zaluzhnyi is fired, replaced with Syrskyi. For those who don’t know, among his other equally glorious achievements, Syrskyi commanded the troops that lost Artemovsk (Bahmut). He was also the commander of failed Ukie attempt to surround it after Russia took it and cut it off. In Ukie army Syrskyi’s nickname is general-200 (200 is the military code for KIA), as he willingly sacrifices huge numbers of cannon fodder in his operations. Apparently, Ukie military is so successful that the clown deemed it necessary to change the entire team commanding the army.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Congrats, pro-Ukies! Zaluzhnyi is fired, replaced with Syrskyi. For those who don’t know, among his other equally glorious achievements, Syrskyi commanded the troops that lost Artemovsk (Bahmut).

    Why did you forget his other great “achievements” in charge at Soledar and in 2015 at Debaltsovo !!! Its supplemented by the idiotic khokhol propaganda lies about “defence of Kiev” myth.
    On the other side though, maybe it is genius we are witnessing here and people are joking that here we have a real-life Stirlitz!

    This rat excrement is, of course, Russian, ethnically and born in Russia – with his brother and parents alive and living in Russia. Grandfather died in Saint Petersburg, 1941. He studied at Moscow Higher Combined Arms Command School………and , naturally because its f**kheadistan, his father was a Colonel in the army. Definitely Soviet, probably going into army of Russian Federation. What type of mentally disturbed f**kup becomes head of VSU with that background?? All too typical for 404. For sure plenty joined Ukrop military 30 years before not seeing this situation happening – but this life summary is tragicomic.

    So its both a greek tragedy and further confirmation that “Ukrainianism” is a psychiatric disease that needs to be wiped out. I have said this for years, but the core to being “Ukrainian” is to:

    1.Betray your family
    2.Betray your religion
    3.Betray your culture

    A totally sick thing

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Gerard1234


    This rat excrement
     
    This is only natural. The quality of the personalities that serve it perfectly matches the quality of the regime they serve. As alchemists used to say, like dissolves like.
  701. @Mikhail
    Pardon if already noted:

    https://www.rt.com/russia/592140-ukraines-top-general-brother/


    The parents and brother of Ukraine’s new commander-in-chief Aleksandr Syrsky are living in Russia, multiple Russian news outlets reported.

    On Thursday, President Vladimir Zelensky announced that he had chosen Syrsky to replace his top general, Valery Zaluzhny. The reshuffle took place months after the failed Ukrainian counteroffensive and amid the deteriorating situation on the battlefield.

    Colonel General Syrsky was born in Russia’s western Vladimir region when both Russia and Ukraine were part of the Soviet Union. His brother Oleg still resides in the provincial capital of Vladimir, news agency TASS said.

    Oleg told reporters that he has not spoken to his close relative in years. “I don’t communicate with him. I don’t even know where he is,” Oleg told TASS. “I don’t know anything about him. It’s been a very long time since he moved [to Ukraine].”

    According to their social media accounts, Syrsky’s parents regularly attend the celebrations of Russia’s victory in World War II and have liked some pro-Moscow content online. The posts reportedly liked by Syrsky’s mother include a message wishing “good health” to President Vladimir Putin.

    Aleksandr Syrsky graduated from a military academy in Moscow and was serving in Ukraine when it declared independence in 1991. He took an active part in the war in Donbass in the 2010s. According to Zelensky, he played a major role in the 2022 defense of Kiev against the Russian troops and the offensive in Kharkov later that year.

    Syrsky has maintained a relatively low-key profile compared to his predecessor Zaluzhny, who often spoke to domestic and foreign press and has written several essays about the course of the conflict.
     

    Replies: @LondonBob, @QCIC

    I wonder if Syrsky is fluent in Ukrainian?

    Does he have a Ukrainian wif?

  702. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Sher Singh

    So not just the English, Russians, and Americans, but martial Sikhs too were repeatedly defeated by Afghans..?!

    I would say Afghans do not get credit which they deserve.

    Replies: @songbird, @Sher Singh, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Have wondered if there is a conspiracy at Netflix to try to tamp down the Sikhs. I tried to find some Sikh movie about warriors, and all I could find is this film written and directed by a Singh:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet:_Ek_Prem_Katha

    Afraid it triggers my disgust reflex when it talks about the lack of toilets leading to sexual harassment. Think it is also remarkable how it is 2.5 hrs long.

    Perhaps, Netflix Canada would be different.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    Netflix Canada has an entire Panjabi films section lol.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaar_Sahibzaade?useskin=vector

    Idk, watch 1 & 2 to get a basic understanding of late Mughal era Sikh history.

    There's also this short film - google the names.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CfvkLoZDPo

    ਅਕਾਲ

  703. The Kremlin website has posted a transcript of Tucker Carlson’s interview of Vladimir Putin.

    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/73411

    I searched but could not find where they talk about Taras Bulba. : (

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Obsessive compulsive liar Putin is at it again:


    There is another route through Poland, called Yamal-Europe, which also allows for a large flow. Poland has closed it, but Poland pecks from the German hand, it receives money from pan-European funds, and Germany is the main donor to these pan-European funds. Germany feeds Poland to a certain extent. And they closed the route to Germany. Why? I don't understand. Ukraine, to which the Germans supply weapons and give money.
     
    There are no any sanctions on Yamal pipeline, pipeline isn't closed anyhow and Gazprom is being sued for not delivering contracted amounts of gas for transit into Germany:

    Poland has joined several other of Gazprom’s former European customers in seeking compensation from the Russian state-controlled gas giant over the drastic reductions in gas deliveries that took place last year and failures to ship gas in accordance with contractually agreed amounts.

    Polish Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of State Assets Jacek Sasin said Europol Gaz — the owner of Poland’s segment of the Yamal Pipeline from Russia — has submitted a 5.85 billion zloty ($1.4 billion) claim to an international arbitration chamber in Stockholm, Sweden.

    In an interview with Poland’s television channel TVP, Sasin said Europol Gaz is seeking redress for the halt in Russian gas transit flows across the Yamal Pipeline to Germany last year.

    Gas stopped flowing after Poland’s state-controlled oil and gas producer PGNiG — taken over by Orlen Group in November 2022 — refused Russia’s new payment terms in May last year.

    In retaliation, the Russian government prohibited Gazprom from sending any gas across Poland.

    The request for arbitration also includes a 850 million zloty claim relating to 2010 dispute that flared up when Gazprom accused Europol Gaz of underpaying for transit flows that Russia sent to Germany via the Yamal Pipeline between 2006 and 2009.

    The disagreement was supposed to have been settled out of court when Poland dropped its own demand for a higher transit rate.

    As part of this settlement, Poland accepted guarantees from Moscow that Russian gas would continue to flow to Germany via the Yamal Pipeline until 2045, and that Poland would also buy the gas at a slight discount, but Moscow has since ripped up the deal.
     

    https://www.upstreamonline.com/politics/poland-demands-1-4-billion-from-gazprom-over-reduced-supplies-dispute/2-1-1453530

    And this was just one tiny drop from the ocean of direct lies;)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @German_reader, @Beckow

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    He alluded to Tara Bulba in veiled tones within his imaginative pronouncements regarding Ukrainian history:


    So, the Poles were trying in every possible way to polonize this part of the Russian lands and actually treated it rather harshly, not to say cruelly. All that led to the fact that this part of the Russian lands began to struggle for their rights. They wrote letters to Warsaw demanding that their rights be observed and that people be commissioned here, including to Kiev…

    Interview to Tucker Carlson. Part 2
    Tucker Carlson: I beg your pardon, can you tell us what period… I am losing track of where in history we are?

    Vladimir Putin: It was in the 13th century.

    Now I will tell what happened later and give the dates so that there is no confusion. And in 1654, even a bit earlier, the people who were in control of the authority over that part of the Russian lands, addressed Warsaw, I repeat, demanding their rights be observed that they send to them rulers of Russian origin and Orthodox faith. When Warsaw did not answer them and in fact rejected their demands, they turned to Moscow so that Moscow took them away.
     

    Strange thing though, I'm not aware of anybody in 13th century Ukraine writing letters to Warsaw(?) about their rights? Poland hadn't even conquered Galicia till the mid 14th century and Warsaw was only a small town without any political significance until the early 16th century. But no need to account or any accuracy inside the mind of Putler the historian. :-)

    And Putler's allusion to the Treaty of Pereyeslav in 1654 is equally strange and nonsensical, as it was a military alliance between Ruthenia and Muscovy and not any sort of appeal to Poland regarding sociological grievances. Who cares though, Putler's minions are not interested in historical truth or accuracy, but are only in it for the Putler worshiping aspects. Putler cannot say or do anything wrong, just ask Tucker Carlson :-(

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    , @QCIC
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Thanks for the link.

    The transcript is surprisingly brief. The conversation took a long time due to the double translation. Also Putin may have been talking slowly for the American audience.

    I think he was trying to reach Americans who are somewhat intelligent yet have bought into the simplistic and misleading MSM Ukraine narrative for whatever reason. His words may also get through to a few smarter liberals who know better and have simply latched on to a Russia bad/Ukraine narrative out of laziness. Who knows if either group has any influence on policy?

    I was surprised Tucker brought up Evan Gershkovich. Last time I checked this kid was self-evidently a spy.

  704. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    с 2021 по 2023 год в среднем снижение порядка 13%. В Италии — 9%, в Германии — 12%, во Франции — 16%, в Великобритании — 22% снижение
     
    That makes you even more stupid and gullible. In other words - typical Sovok civil engineer.

    https://www.enerdata.net/estore/energy-market/united-kingdom/#:~:text=Power%20Consumption,a%205.2%25%20drop%20in%202020

    1.5% increase in 2021 compared to 2020. 4.5% decrease in 2022 compared to 2021. Some Russian claims 22% decrease 2021-2023. Dumb and gullible Gerard believes him.


    Good that you admitted you were “here” when discussing UK.

    LMAO. This is even dumber than the “knowledge of English football” for levels of retardedness in “detective” work in geolocation. As you are desperate, desperate
     

    No, I was just amused when Karlin found out where you were posting from and shared with us here on this forum. Your paragraph after paragraph screeching about it betrays your desperation. So naturally I remind you of it from time to time :-)

    What do you in England? Tutor schoolchildren like Martyanov, another Sovok with a failed engineering background?


    “Here” – in this case refers to the subject being discussed
     
    Is this like when you claimed AnoninTN really meant metro lines rather than metro stations when he was caught claiming nonsensically that no metro stations were built after 1991? Even he would be too embarrassed to come up with your excuses.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    That makes you even more stupid and gullible. In other words – typical Sovok civil engineer.

    https://www.enerdata.net/estore/energy-market/united-kingdom/#:~:text=Power%20Consumption,a%205.2%25%20drop%20in%202020

    1.5% increase in 2021 compared to 2020. 4.5% decrease in 2022 compared to 2021

    LOL – I already told you about these idiotic random BS links of yours. I attach zero truth to them you prick. As I said, 2 days before on english-language results it was made very clear that UK was at something like 330–350TWh pre-coronavirus, about 270TWh in 2022 ( so not including 2023 drop). I am not willing to look at this for more than 3 minutes (we know you have plenty of time) – so from what I can see “miraculously” the stuff there is completely changed and contradictory after you started manipulating searches- some things saying well over 300TWh electricity used in UK in 2022 (clearly BS), others saying something like 275TWh. With all that contradictory BS I am perfectly satisfied to believe someone of standing of Kovalchuk.

    However, all the stuff there from my quick search still say that UK domestic electricity consumption for 2022 DOWN 10+% – so even that aligns with Kovalchuk!!Its indisputable that Industrial output is significantly reduced – and the same should apply to the other field of electricity use – commercial.

    As example, it may appear minor thing but still highly indicative- if women in west are working most days from home remotely – then they are not going to hairdresser or shopping for clothes at anywhere close to frequency they would if physically going into work each day. Plus the internet shopping factor for the clothes. All these type of things accumulate into significant percentage. Women are religious about their hair.

    In addition, when I checked the German 2 days before – the numbers fully aligned with Kovalchuk 12% drop – 510+TWh in 2021 vs 450+TWh in 2023.

    Some Russian claims 22% decrease 2021-2023.

    CEO of world-relevant company you dipshit..speaking directly to Putin. Also I know you are a fake khokhol…but even I would expect a fantasist retard like you to appreciate an “ethnic” Ukrainian in a high position…….it’s a rarity to non-existant in Ukraine itself, LMAO.

    Is this like when you claimed AnoninTN really meant metro lines rather than metro stations when he was caught claiming nonsensically that no metro stations were built after 1991? Even he would be too embarrassed to come up with your excuses.

    Clearly he did – as not building a single metro line for 33 years is itself an embarassing disaster. If not then its clear that unlike you he knows the Kiev Metro so its a simple and irrelevant mispoke that’s very easy to do with the 3 interchangeable f**kups of the Ukronazi regime of 1991, 2004, 2014. As I said, countless important things not done in 404 start with the sentence “since 1991”. He has the credibility that he’s not lying or ignorant and he’s completely honest and very knowledgeable – that’s the complete opposite of yourself of course.

    I also made clear that majority of the few stations built after 1991 were entirely Soviet projects – designed and approved then, most even started building before until Soviet collapse prevented completion – so he could be classifying them that way. As a user of the Kiev Metro ( so again, completely different to you) he could easily have been going on personal experience – the few khokhol stations are not the type indicative of city expanding, or outside metropolitan area moving into city area (like Moscow oblast to Moscow city)….these few are like outstations servicing national transport links.

    Your paragraph after paragraph screeching about it betrays your desperation.

    No, I was just amused when Karlin found out where you were posting from and shared with us here on this forum.

    You’re the one screeching dipshit………and conducting abnormal hours of “detective” work to (non)prove your cretinous lies, LOL. How pitiful- though expected for a sociopathic lowlife. Karlin proved jackshit, because the entire premise is jackshit. It was during Karlin’s bizarre “tag-team” phase with scum as yourself (probably because the more posts, and you have nothing to do with your time other than lie and post……then the better traffic for his blog) that he invented this laughable nonsense.Clearly also, its untrue he never met scum as yourself in Moscow as you have never been there and are the lowest common denominator of humanity – so I wouldnt expect him to visit your basement if he was in the US. But Karlins a decent guy despite that silliness, excellent blogger, and I wish him all the best

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234


    I already told you about these idiotic random BS links of yours. I attach zero truth to them you prick
     
    You are a dumb Sovok, who cares what you "think" or attach truth too. I posted links for others in case they might be interested.

    so from what I can see “miraculously” the stuff there is completely changed and contradictory after you started manipulating searches
     
    So in addition to being gullible and dumb, you have paranoid delusions that I control the results of your internet searches.

    from my quick search still say that UK domestic electricity consumption for 2022 DOWN 10+%
     
    So now you are changing from total consumption to domestic consumption.

    Of course a Sovok-trained civil "engineer" couldn't be expected to know the difference.

    For example, you don't even know the difference between a metro station and a metro line.

    You’re the one screeching
     
    We see who is doing that....paragraph after paragraph.
  705. @Beckow
    @songbird


    ...corruption index such a joke – it doesn’t seem to account for institutionalized corruption.
     
    Only less developed societies use a direct form of corruption. The people who look at an "index" are useful idiots - those indexes are put together based on perception, e.g. they ask a lot of Western businessmen what is their perception about bribes in Turkey or Argentina, vs. Ireland. Very 'scientific'.

    There is a heavy political bias - most Western businessmen are like a fish out of water, don't speak the language, are scared (often paranoid), enjoy spinning cynical stories. If people exchange envelopes with money that is the least corruption you can have today - the real corruption are hundreds of billions distributed through institutions based on purchase orders, fake grants, 'outsourced' services, bonuses...the cash envelopes got nothing on that. If people have to sneak to each other some cash off the books it is still a fairly honest society.

    The inability of people in the West to understand this is the real problem. They buy simple narratives and obey. The fake money control doesn't hurt...that is the biggest 'corruption' of them all...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    The “Corruption Perceptions Index” is clearly the most State Department, vile piece of BS in history. On the “Ease of Doing Business Ratings” which is actually scientific, less political…….Russia’s progess has been excellent. Or at least it was, until they suspiciously abandon this annual ratings list.

    Bribing traffic police is a thing of the past, tax receipts and registrations are massively increased compared to a few years ago across the entire spectrum of large to very small businesses. Same thing with arrests of officials for corruption.

    Across all the world though you would have to look if technology makes corruption overall alot easier for officials to do……..or smartphone technology makes it alot easier to expose and so act as deterrent? There’s more incentive to be transparent for small businesses, foreign businessmen, politicians etc with the ease that comes with digitilisation – but who knows if that is actually occuring?

    There is a heavy political bias – most Western businessmen are like a fish out of water, don’t speak the language, are scared (often paranoid), enjoy spinning cynical stories. If people exchange envelopes with money that is the least corruption you can have today – the real corruption are hundreds of billions distributed through institutions based on purchase orders, fake grants, ‘outsourced’ services, bonuses…the cash envelopes got nothing on that. If people have to sneak to each other some cash off the books it is still a fairly honest society.

    Exellent point!

  706. @Gerard1234
    @AnonfromTN


    Congrats, pro-Ukies! Zaluzhnyi is fired, replaced with Syrskyi. For those who don’t know, among his other equally glorious achievements, Syrskyi commanded the troops that lost Artemovsk (Bahmut).
     
    Why did you forget his other great "achievements" in charge at Soledar and in 2015 at Debaltsovo !!! Its supplemented by the idiotic khokhol propaganda lies about "defence of Kiev" myth.
    On the other side though, maybe it is genius we are witnessing here and people are joking that here we have a real-life Stirlitz!

    This rat excrement is, of course, Russian, ethnically and born in Russia - with his brother and parents alive and living in Russia. Grandfather died in Saint Petersburg, 1941. He studied at Moscow Higher Combined Arms Command School.........and , naturally because its f**kheadistan, his father was a Colonel in the army. Definitely Soviet, probably going into army of Russian Federation. What type of mentally disturbed f**kup becomes head of VSU with that background?? All too typical for 404. For sure plenty joined Ukrop military 30 years before not seeing this situation happening - but this life summary is tragicomic.

    So its both a greek tragedy and further confirmation that "Ukrainianism" is a psychiatric disease that needs to be wiped out. I have said this for years, but the core to being "Ukrainian" is to:

    1.Betray your family
    2.Betray your religion
    3.Betray your culture

    A totally sick thing

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    This rat excrement

    This is only natural. The quality of the personalities that serve it perfectly matches the quality of the regime they serve. As alchemists used to say, like dissolves like.

  707. The free PR morons provided Tucker before his interview with Putin even aired works wonders: more than 100 million had already viewed it. Yet libtards/neocons are not satisfied with this remarkable achievement: they keep stimulating public interest in Putin’s interview by talking about it non-stop.

    It is said that when God wants to punish a person, he takes away his mind. Looks like he is punishing the same way the whole clique of criminals owning Western governments and media.

    PS. I did not watch Putin’s interview, as I know everything he is going to say. Putin is remarkably consistent, he keeps saying the same things for years. The only difference is, his rhetoric lately hardened.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    It is a bit of a missed opportunity on Putin's part. He could have built bridges to the American people. Instead he did not connect to a broad audience.

    • Too long, over 2 hours.
    • Began with a 20+ minute history lecture. While interesting to those like us, it was a complete miss versus his target demographics. How many tuned out?
    • Over blamed America generally, rather than Not-The-President Biden specifically.

    Putin did make some good points.

    ♦︎ Zelensky's regime refuses to negotiate with Putin
    ♦︎ The violence started back in 2014
    ♦︎ Kiev aggression is propped up by outside support

    If Ukraine receives less arms, Kiev leadership would be much more motivated to reach a good faith deal. Putin suggested weeks, though to me that sounds optimistic.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  708. In the ’70s, one could apparently buy a plane ticket, when was was flying on the airplane.

    • LOL: Sher Singh
  709. Sher Singh says:
    @Another Polish Perspective
    @Sher Singh

    So not just the English, Russians, and Americans, but martial Sikhs too were repeatedly defeated by Afghans..?!

    I would say Afghans do not get credit which they deserve.

    Replies: @songbird, @Sher Singh, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Punjabi-Afghan conflicts go back to ancient times.
    The first 3 were more defeated by the terrain.

    There’s nothing in Afghanistan worth taking if you own Peshaur + the big cities.
    Its main utility is as a crossroads.

    This seems like you taking a jibe more than anything.
    Since, being a believing Christian you need to be #1 on the victim pole.

    Go worship niggers or something, Shoo.

    There’s no point trying to have rational discourse with you.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce?useskin=vector

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @Sher Singh

    Sikhism and Sikhs are not above any criticism.

    I used to read your posts as a kind of call to individual self-improvement.

    However, I have failed to notice what broader value specifically Sikhism brought to humanity.
    I see Sikhs similarly to Scots: a martial race which ultimately became lackey to the British Empire.

    Generally, I don't think that selling your sword is ok.

    On the other hand, Afghans have retained certain romantic quality, always resisting all sorts of invaders.

  710. @songbird
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Have wondered if there is a conspiracy at Netflix to try to tamp down the Sikhs. I tried to find some Sikh movie about warriors, and all I could find is this film written and directed by a Singh:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet:_Ek_Prem_Katha

    Afraid it triggers my disgust reflex when it talks about the lack of toilets leading to sexual harassment. Think it is also remarkable how it is 2.5 hrs long.

    Perhaps, Netflix Canada would be different.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Netflix Canada has an entire Panjabi films section lol.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaar_Sahibzaade?useskin=vector

    Idk, watch 1 & 2 to get a basic understanding of late Mughal era Sikh history.

    There’s also this short film – google the names.

    [MORE]

    ਅਕਾਲ

    • Thanks: songbird
  711. @QCIC
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Don't forget about this horrific crash and five other other Su-27 airshow disasters! Plus a few western crashes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sknyliv_air_show_disaster

    https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/10/17/air-force-identifies-guard-pilot-killed-in-ukraine-crash/

    https://www.twz.com/area-51-test-pilots-mysterious-death-happened-heroically-flying-an-su-27-report

    It seems that many pilots are not up to the Su-27.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    OTOH they do have very good ejector seats.

    https://www.blackblot.com/tale-of-two-russian-jets

    At about 1,000 feet (300 meters) a mid-air collision occurred due to a combination of adverse weather conditions, faulty design of the flight plan (parallel loop), and human pilot error. Both aircraft were completely destroyed with Tresvyatsky’s jet losing a wing and Beschastnov’s jet effectively broken in two.

    Both pilots reacted instantaneously and ejected almost immediately as if automatically, which further confirmed the notion the western world had of the “Russian robotic pilot”. Both pilots landed safely on parachutes and both struck jets crashed in unpopulated areas. Nobody was injured.

    Western aviation experts were amazed at how the ejection seats had successfully handled the very complex ejection situations that the two Russian pilots had encountered. Tresvyatsky had ejected while the airplane was inverted (aka “punch-down”) and Beschastnov had ejected while his MiG-29 was in vertigo (simultaneously spinning on all its three axes of movement – vertical, lateral, horizontal).

    Aside from the superb and amazing fast reactions of both pilots, recognition eventually set in that it was a truly remarkable product that saved the lives of the two Russian pilots – the Zvezda K-36D ejection seat.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Yes. Their fame started at the 1989 Paris Air Show.

    Thanks for the link.

  712. @Emil Nikola Richard
    The Kremlin website has posted a transcript of Tucker Carlson's interview of Vladimir Putin.

    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/73411

    I searched but could not find where they talk about Taras Bulba. : (

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Taras_bulba.jpg

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. Hack, @QCIC

    Obsessive compulsive liar Putin is at it again:

    There is another route through Poland, called Yamal-Europe, which also allows for a large flow. Poland has closed it, but Poland pecks from the German hand, it receives money from pan-European funds, and Germany is the main donor to these pan-European funds. Germany feeds Poland to a certain extent. And they closed the route to Germany. Why? I don’t understand. Ukraine, to which the Germans supply weapons and give money.

    There are no any sanctions on Yamal pipeline, pipeline isn’t closed anyhow and Gazprom is being sued for not delivering contracted amounts of gas for transit into Germany:

    Poland has joined several other of Gazprom’s former European customers in seeking compensation from the Russian state-controlled gas giant over the drastic reductions in gas deliveries that took place last year and failures to ship gas in accordance with contractually agreed amounts.

    Polish Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of State Assets Jacek Sasin said Europol Gaz — the owner of Poland’s segment of the Yamal Pipeline from Russia — has submitted a 5.85 billion zloty ($1.4 billion) claim to an international arbitration chamber in Stockholm, Sweden.

    In an interview with Poland’s television channel TVP, Sasin said Europol Gaz is seeking redress for the halt in Russian gas transit flows across the Yamal Pipeline to Germany last year.

    Gas stopped flowing after Poland’s state-controlled oil and gas producer PGNiG — taken over by Orlen Group in November 2022 — refused Russia’s new payment terms in May last year.

    In retaliation, the Russian government prohibited Gazprom from sending any gas across Poland.

    The request for arbitration also includes a 850 million zloty claim relating to 2010 dispute that flared up when Gazprom accused Europol Gaz of underpaying for transit flows that Russia sent to Germany via the Yamal Pipeline between 2006 and 2009.

    The disagreement was supposed to have been settled out of court when Poland dropped its own demand for a higher transit rate.

    As part of this settlement, Poland accepted guarantees from Moscow that Russian gas would continue to flow to Germany via the Yamal Pipeline until 2045, and that Poland would also buy the gas at a slight discount, but Moscow has since ripped up the deal.

    https://www.upstreamonline.com/politics/poland-demands-1-4-billion-from-gazprom-over-reduced-supplies-dispute/2-1-1453530

    And this was just one tiny drop from the ocean of direct lies;)

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death

    You don’t need to provide even more PR for Tucker. Your neocon/libtard masters worked very hard on it and achieved a remarkable success: more than 100 million viewers of the interview (and counting).

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @German_reader
    @sudden death


    And this was just one tiny drop from the ocean of direct lies;)
     
    Of course Putin has a selective relationship to the truth. But it doesn't change the fact the semi-official narrative in the West now is that it was Ukraine that blew up the Nordstream pipelines (supposedly on the orders of Zalushny himself). There's absolutely no question this kind of sabotage has to be considered an act of war against Germany, something that by the letter of the NATO treaty could be used to invoke Article 5 (against Ukraine!). Nor is it made up by Putin that Poland has been notably uncooperative in the Nordstream investigation and refuses to share what it knows about the crew of that yacht supposedly involved in the bombing...that's something you read in Western mainstream media. Focusing on anything Putin says about the Yamal pipeline is missing the point given that background.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Beckow
    @sudden death


    ...Gas stopped flowing after Poland’s state-controlled oil and gas producer PGNiG — taken over by Orlen Group in November 2022 — refused Russia’s new payment terms in May last year.
     
    You are really scraping the stupid people propaganda bottom. Poland confiscated the infrastructure and refused to pay, that's why the gas isn't flowing. There were no "new payment terms" - Gazprom specified that the payments now have to be made to accounts that are not "frozen". Obviously, since it is a business, you can't "pay" and then yourself freeze the account that you paid to - are you a complete idiot?

    The updated payment procedure was accepted by Austria, Hungary, Slovakia, Italy, Balkans, Turkey, etc...It is a transaction and not a theft - any party to a business deal can change the accounts they use and they do it all the time. Only a Pole with a thieving mentality can argue that Gazprom "must" ship the gas but the Poles don't have to pay.

    Stop whining and start digging for coal, you will soon need it...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @sudden death

  713. @sudden death
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Obsessive compulsive liar Putin is at it again:


    There is another route through Poland, called Yamal-Europe, which also allows for a large flow. Poland has closed it, but Poland pecks from the German hand, it receives money from pan-European funds, and Germany is the main donor to these pan-European funds. Germany feeds Poland to a certain extent. And they closed the route to Germany. Why? I don't understand. Ukraine, to which the Germans supply weapons and give money.
     
    There are no any sanctions on Yamal pipeline, pipeline isn't closed anyhow and Gazprom is being sued for not delivering contracted amounts of gas for transit into Germany:

    Poland has joined several other of Gazprom’s former European customers in seeking compensation from the Russian state-controlled gas giant over the drastic reductions in gas deliveries that took place last year and failures to ship gas in accordance with contractually agreed amounts.

    Polish Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of State Assets Jacek Sasin said Europol Gaz — the owner of Poland’s segment of the Yamal Pipeline from Russia — has submitted a 5.85 billion zloty ($1.4 billion) claim to an international arbitration chamber in Stockholm, Sweden.

    In an interview with Poland’s television channel TVP, Sasin said Europol Gaz is seeking redress for the halt in Russian gas transit flows across the Yamal Pipeline to Germany last year.

    Gas stopped flowing after Poland’s state-controlled oil and gas producer PGNiG — taken over by Orlen Group in November 2022 — refused Russia’s new payment terms in May last year.

    In retaliation, the Russian government prohibited Gazprom from sending any gas across Poland.

    The request for arbitration also includes a 850 million zloty claim relating to 2010 dispute that flared up when Gazprom accused Europol Gaz of underpaying for transit flows that Russia sent to Germany via the Yamal Pipeline between 2006 and 2009.

    The disagreement was supposed to have been settled out of court when Poland dropped its own demand for a higher transit rate.

    As part of this settlement, Poland accepted guarantees from Moscow that Russian gas would continue to flow to Germany via the Yamal Pipeline until 2045, and that Poland would also buy the gas at a slight discount, but Moscow has since ripped up the deal.
     

    https://www.upstreamonline.com/politics/poland-demands-1-4-billion-from-gazprom-over-reduced-supplies-dispute/2-1-1453530

    And this was just one tiny drop from the ocean of direct lies;)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @German_reader, @Beckow

    You don’t need to provide even more PR for Tucker. Your neocon/libtard masters worked very hard on it and achieved a remarkable success: more than 100 million viewers of the interview (and counting).

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @AnonfromTN

    ofc, fairy tales is a popular genre in general, no doubt about it;)

  714. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Sort of reminds me of the Iran-Iraq War, then Iran failed to make significant headwinds in Iraq in the 1928-1988 time period in spite of it being the party with a much larger total population. That war was also notable for its years of trench-like warfare.

    Do you think that there is any chance of Ukraine eventually achieving a total victory in this war through the mass use of drones?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @YetAnotherAnon

    In those years Iraq was being armed by the West (and Iran were doing human wave stuff, hoping morale would overcome firepower).

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @YetAnotherAnon


    In those years Iraq was being armed by the West
     
    Hey, mentioning it today is extremely politically incorrect. As well as mentioning that the West supplied Saddam with what he needed to make chemical weapons (all of which he used against Iraqi Kurds). Or that Saddam had no chemical weapons when the chorus of Western intelligence (this word does not seem applicable) agencies claimed that he had them.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  715. @Goddard
    Tuck’s got it:

    https://tuckercarlson.com/the-vladimir-putin-interview/

    Putin is knowledgeable and serious. He’s a man you can reason with. Unlike America’s leaders, Putin seems to care about his people.

    Replies: @Sean

    Nothing to do with Putin’s personality or the system he heads. It’s just geopolitics.

  716. @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    "Sort of reminds me of the Iran-Iraq War, *when* Iran failed to make significant headwinds in Iraq in the *1982*-1988 time period in spite of it being the party with a much larger total population. That war was also notable for its years of trench-like warfare."

    (Corrected typos.)

    Replies: @Sean

    The secret backers of Iran included Israel, who wanted to keep the war going, not for Iran to win. The effect of the US halting arms and other support for Ukraine would be the begining of the end for them because of the effect on Ukrainian morale. The US cut off of aid to Nationalist China was rescinded but the psychological effect of the US not being totally committed created a similar collapse in morale. Actually I do not think it at all obvious that Washington wants Ukraine to attain total recovery of all its lost territories; going by the help being quite modest compared to what it could be, the US objective in giving it is a very limited victory for Russia.

    It seems to me that only a fool would say with any degree of certainty that Russia has reached its warfighting zenith. If for the sake of argument we assume Russia was in a position of disadvantage with no hope of building enough tanks ETC, then they would still have a range of non conventional options. And were they to cross that Rubicon against Ukraine, conventional retaliation against Russia by the US would be fraught with danger.

    I am not sure about this idea that given enough US arms supplies the Ukrainians will carry on for as long as it takes, Arms are half of it but there has to be a supply of new Ukrainian soldiers using the weapons. There is no particular reason to think Ukraine’s population are any less unhappy with the casualties than Russia’s is.

  717. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr. XYZ

    In those years Iraq was being armed by the West (and Iran were doing human wave stuff, hoping morale would overcome firepower).

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    In those years Iraq was being armed by the West

    Hey, mentioning it today is extremely politically incorrect. As well as mentioning that the West supplied Saddam with what he needed to make chemical weapons (all of which he used against Iraqi Kurds). Or that Saddam had no chemical weapons when the chorus of Western intelligence (this word does not seem applicable) agencies claimed that he had them.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @AnonfromTN

    Claiming that the West is evil is not considered poltically incorrect in the West, it is not far from one if the main politically correct Western talking points at the moment.

    Afaik these things about Western supplies to Iraq will be known by anyone who has read any book about the Iran-Iraq war.

    Replies: @German_reader, @AnonfromTN

  718. @AnonfromTN
    @sudden death

    You don’t need to provide even more PR for Tucker. Your neocon/libtard masters worked very hard on it and achieved a remarkable success: more than 100 million viewers of the interview (and counting).

    Replies: @sudden death

    ofc, fairy tales is a popular genre in general, no doubt about it;)

  719. @Emil Nikola Richard
    The Kremlin website has posted a transcript of Tucker Carlson's interview of Vladimir Putin.

    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/73411

    I searched but could not find where they talk about Taras Bulba. : (

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Taras_bulba.jpg

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. Hack, @QCIC

    He alluded to Tara Bulba in veiled tones within his imaginative pronouncements regarding Ukrainian history:

    So, the Poles were trying in every possible way to polonize this part of the Russian lands and actually treated it rather harshly, not to say cruelly. All that led to the fact that this part of the Russian lands began to struggle for their rights. They wrote letters to Warsaw demanding that their rights be observed and that people be commissioned here, including to Kiev…

    Interview to Tucker Carlson. Part 2
    Tucker Carlson: I beg your pardon, can you tell us what period… I am losing track of where in history we are?

    Vladimir Putin: It was in the 13th century.

    Now I will tell what happened later and give the dates so that there is no confusion. And in 1654, even a bit earlier, the people who were in control of the authority over that part of the Russian lands, addressed Warsaw, I repeat, demanding their rights be observed that they send to them rulers of Russian origin and Orthodox faith. When Warsaw did not answer them and in fact rejected their demands, they turned to Moscow so that Moscow took them away.

    Strange thing though, I’m not aware of anybody in 13th century Ukraine writing letters to Warsaw(?) about their rights? Poland hadn’t even conquered Galicia till the mid 14th century and Warsaw was only a small town without any political significance until the early 16th century. But no need to account or any accuracy inside the mind of Putler the historian. 🙂

    And Putler’s allusion to the Treaty of Pereyeslav in 1654 is equally strange and nonsensical, as it was a military alliance between Ruthenia and Muscovy and not any sort of appeal to Poland regarding sociological grievances. Who cares though, Putler’s minions are not interested in historical truth or accuracy, but are only in it for the Putler worshiping aspects. Putler cannot say or do anything wrong, just ask Tucker Carlson 🙁

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    And Putler’s allusion to the Treaty of Pereyeslav in 1654 is equally strange and nonsensical, as it was a military alliance between Ruthenia and Muscovy and not any sort of appeal to Poland regarding sociological grievances.
     
    Use of the mythical ( to the areas you are implying) "Ruthenia" and of Muscovy is almost as psycho from you Hack as the cretinously stubborn "Hohol" and "first, Ukrainofile version of Taras Bulba"

    Anyway , there was no "cossack state" , its an oxymoron. De facto any agreement with Cossacks is a military one - that's the only possible agreement there could be with a non-state entirely militirised group of people. Exact same applies to agreements with the Don Cossacks ( who if anything had more claim to a state and on a seperate issue - far superior horse-riding skills and combat skills - certainly their historical re-enactments from predecessors are very impressive) or the Sloboda cossacks of mostly north-eastern Ukraine and had zero connection to Treaty of Pereyeslav.

    And it would not be called an "alliance"- that would assume, in theory an equal partnership , agreement - this was the Getman swearing an oath of allegiance TO the Tsar.

    The cretinous "Muscovy" reference is also ridiculous. Russia ALWAYS maintained a state, Rurik royalty, Metropolitan leading Orthodox Church, culture, everything even after the Golden Horde invasion. Kiev had stopped being the capital of the Russian state. Entire leadership, church hierachy, masses of peasants then fled to this state you are deranged calling "Muscovy" - Then much more escaped to Russia after Lithuanian earthworms took control of Kiev - which then become nothing more than a village until Russia bought it from PLC 300+ years later.

    Capital transferred from Vladimir to Moscow - but it was still entirely same Russian state, Rurik dynasty, Metropolitan leading Orthodox church and culture etc

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  720. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Obsessive compulsive liar Putin is at it again:


    There is another route through Poland, called Yamal-Europe, which also allows for a large flow. Poland has closed it, but Poland pecks from the German hand, it receives money from pan-European funds, and Germany is the main donor to these pan-European funds. Germany feeds Poland to a certain extent. And they closed the route to Germany. Why? I don't understand. Ukraine, to which the Germans supply weapons and give money.
     
    There are no any sanctions on Yamal pipeline, pipeline isn't closed anyhow and Gazprom is being sued for not delivering contracted amounts of gas for transit into Germany:

    Poland has joined several other of Gazprom’s former European customers in seeking compensation from the Russian state-controlled gas giant over the drastic reductions in gas deliveries that took place last year and failures to ship gas in accordance with contractually agreed amounts.

    Polish Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of State Assets Jacek Sasin said Europol Gaz — the owner of Poland’s segment of the Yamal Pipeline from Russia — has submitted a 5.85 billion zloty ($1.4 billion) claim to an international arbitration chamber in Stockholm, Sweden.

    In an interview with Poland’s television channel TVP, Sasin said Europol Gaz is seeking redress for the halt in Russian gas transit flows across the Yamal Pipeline to Germany last year.

    Gas stopped flowing after Poland’s state-controlled oil and gas producer PGNiG — taken over by Orlen Group in November 2022 — refused Russia’s new payment terms in May last year.

    In retaliation, the Russian government prohibited Gazprom from sending any gas across Poland.

    The request for arbitration also includes a 850 million zloty claim relating to 2010 dispute that flared up when Gazprom accused Europol Gaz of underpaying for transit flows that Russia sent to Germany via the Yamal Pipeline between 2006 and 2009.

    The disagreement was supposed to have been settled out of court when Poland dropped its own demand for a higher transit rate.

    As part of this settlement, Poland accepted guarantees from Moscow that Russian gas would continue to flow to Germany via the Yamal Pipeline until 2045, and that Poland would also buy the gas at a slight discount, but Moscow has since ripped up the deal.
     

    https://www.upstreamonline.com/politics/poland-demands-1-4-billion-from-gazprom-over-reduced-supplies-dispute/2-1-1453530

    And this was just one tiny drop from the ocean of direct lies;)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @German_reader, @Beckow

    And this was just one tiny drop from the ocean of direct lies;)

    Of course Putin has a selective relationship to the truth. But it doesn’t change the fact the semi-official narrative in the West now is that it was Ukraine that blew up the Nordstream pipelines (supposedly on the orders of Zalushny himself). There’s absolutely no question this kind of sabotage has to be considered an act of war against Germany, something that by the letter of the NATO treaty could be used to invoke Article 5 (against Ukraine!). Nor is it made up by Putin that Poland has been notably uncooperative in the Nordstream investigation and refuses to share what it knows about the crew of that yacht supposedly involved in the bombing…that’s something you read in Western mainstream media. Focusing on anything Putin says about the Yamal pipeline is missing the point given that background.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    There’s absolutely no question this kind of sabotage has to be considered an act of war against Germany, something that by the letter of the NATO treaty could be used to invoke Article 5 (against Ukraine!).
     
    Sabotage against Russia, for sure, but against Germany?...the NS2 was first and foremost designed and built by Gasprom, including the vast majority of financing. And who is going to prosecute Ukraine for its destruction of it, seeing that its now been involved in a total war against Russia for 2 years?

    I'm impressed with Ukraine's stealth and competence in pulling something like this off, so successfully. I shudder to think of the revenues that Russia would have received had this sabotage never taken place. More funds to buy weapons and ammunition to help fund Russia's insidious war efforts against Ukraine. Let's see, Germans suffering more for paying higher prices for their gas, or many more Ukrainians dying in defense of Ukraine? Things would have been better for both Germany and Russia, but not for Russia's stupid war of aggression against Ukraine. I seriously doubt that kremlin warmongers ever forsaw this sabotage occuring, at least not by Ukrainians.

    Replies: @German_reader

  721. @sudden death
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Obsessive compulsive liar Putin is at it again:


    There is another route through Poland, called Yamal-Europe, which also allows for a large flow. Poland has closed it, but Poland pecks from the German hand, it receives money from pan-European funds, and Germany is the main donor to these pan-European funds. Germany feeds Poland to a certain extent. And they closed the route to Germany. Why? I don't understand. Ukraine, to which the Germans supply weapons and give money.
     
    There are no any sanctions on Yamal pipeline, pipeline isn't closed anyhow and Gazprom is being sued for not delivering contracted amounts of gas for transit into Germany:

    Poland has joined several other of Gazprom’s former European customers in seeking compensation from the Russian state-controlled gas giant over the drastic reductions in gas deliveries that took place last year and failures to ship gas in accordance with contractually agreed amounts.

    Polish Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of State Assets Jacek Sasin said Europol Gaz — the owner of Poland’s segment of the Yamal Pipeline from Russia — has submitted a 5.85 billion zloty ($1.4 billion) claim to an international arbitration chamber in Stockholm, Sweden.

    In an interview with Poland’s television channel TVP, Sasin said Europol Gaz is seeking redress for the halt in Russian gas transit flows across the Yamal Pipeline to Germany last year.

    Gas stopped flowing after Poland’s state-controlled oil and gas producer PGNiG — taken over by Orlen Group in November 2022 — refused Russia’s new payment terms in May last year.

    In retaliation, the Russian government prohibited Gazprom from sending any gas across Poland.

    The request for arbitration also includes a 850 million zloty claim relating to 2010 dispute that flared up when Gazprom accused Europol Gaz of underpaying for transit flows that Russia sent to Germany via the Yamal Pipeline between 2006 and 2009.

    The disagreement was supposed to have been settled out of court when Poland dropped its own demand for a higher transit rate.

    As part of this settlement, Poland accepted guarantees from Moscow that Russian gas would continue to flow to Germany via the Yamal Pipeline until 2045, and that Poland would also buy the gas at a slight discount, but Moscow has since ripped up the deal.
     

    https://www.upstreamonline.com/politics/poland-demands-1-4-billion-from-gazprom-over-reduced-supplies-dispute/2-1-1453530

    And this was just one tiny drop from the ocean of direct lies;)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @German_reader, @Beckow

    …Gas stopped flowing after Poland’s state-controlled oil and gas producer PGNiG — taken over by Orlen Group in November 2022 — refused Russia’s new payment terms in May last year.

    You are really scraping the stupid people propaganda bottom. Poland confiscated the infrastructure and refused to pay, that’s why the gas isn’t flowing. There were no “new payment terms” – Gazprom specified that the payments now have to be made to accounts that are not “frozen”. Obviously, since it is a business, you can’t “pay” and then yourself freeze the account that you paid to – are you a complete idiot?

    The updated payment procedure was accepted by Austria, Hungary, Slovakia, Italy, Balkans, Turkey, etc…It is a transaction and not a theft – any party to a business deal can change the accounts they use and they do it all the time. Only a Pole with a thieving mentality can argue that Gazprom “must” ship the gas but the Poles don’t have to pay.

    Stop whining and start digging for coal, you will soon need it…

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    You are really scraping the stupid people propaganda bottom.
     
    I have to remind you that psychiatrists’ rule is “never argue with a patient”.
    , @sudden death
    @Beckow

    Someone truly must be an idiot, if he's not capable to differentiate and grasp the difference between the natgas for Poland and Germany - any commercial disputes of Poland/Russia natgas supply legally do not have anything to do with gas intented for German consumption even if the physical flow goes through there, especially if Poland has alternative sources both from LNG import and Norway pipeline;)

    Replies: @Beckow

  722. @AnonfromTN
    The free PR morons provided Tucker before his interview with Putin even aired works wonders: more than 100 million had already viewed it. Yet libtards/neocons are not satisfied with this remarkable achievement: they keep stimulating public interest in Putin’s interview by talking about it non-stop.

    It is said that when God wants to punish a person, he takes away his mind. Looks like he is punishing the same way the whole clique of criminals owning Western governments and media.

    PS. I did not watch Putin's interview, as I know everything he is going to say. Putin is remarkably consistent, he keeps saying the same things for years. The only difference is, his rhetoric lately hardened.

    Replies: @A123

    It is a bit of a missed opportunity on Putin’s part. He could have built bridges to the American people. Instead he did not connect to a broad audience.

    • Too long, over 2 hours.
    • Began with a 20+ minute history lecture. While interesting to those like us, it was a complete miss versus his target demographics. How many tuned out?
    • Over blamed America generally, rather than Not-The-President Biden specifically.

    Putin did make some good points.

    ♦︎ Zelensky’s regime refuses to negotiate with Putin
    ♦︎ The violence started back in 2014
    ♦︎ Kiev aggression is propped up by outside support

    If Ukraine receives less arms, Kiev leadership would be much more motivated to reach a good faith deal. Putin suggested weeks, though to me that sounds optimistic.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123

    I think you are wrong about Putin’s targeted audience.

    • Too long, over 2 hours.
    • Began with a 20+ minute history lecture. While interesting to those like us, it was a complete miss versus his target demographics. How many tuned out?

    This was targeted at people with brains. Those with the attention span of a guppy swallow Western propaganda line, hook, and sinker, so it’s useless to talk to them.

    • Over blamed America generally, rather than Not-The-President Biden specifically.

    Geopolitically the US actions never changed in living memory. Gross miscalculation regarding Russia started with Clinton, continued through Bush Jr, Obama, Trump, and current Alzheimer-in-Chief. Most likely will continue after 2024, unless the US elites come to their senses. The chances of that are slim to none.

    ♦︎ Zelensky’s regime refuses to negotiate with Putin
    ♦︎ The violence started back in 2014
    ♦︎ Kiev aggression is propped up by outside support
    If Ukraine receives less arms, Kiev leadership would be much more motivated to reach a good faith deal.

    All of this is 100% true. However, Western propaganda is working hard to ensure that intellectual guppies never learn anything about the reality. Thus, only people with brains can be possibly interested in this. Hence, it makes sense to talk to them and ignore guppies.

    Besides, the words “good faith” cannot be used in the same sentence with current Kiev regime. Most Russians are now convinced that no Western government can do anything in good faith. That’s a relatively new development: prevailing public opinion in the last years of the USSR was a lot more trusting towards the West. Gross miscalculation I mentioned above essentially wiped this out.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow

  723. @Beckow
    @sudden death


    ...Gas stopped flowing after Poland’s state-controlled oil and gas producer PGNiG — taken over by Orlen Group in November 2022 — refused Russia’s new payment terms in May last year.
     
    You are really scraping the stupid people propaganda bottom. Poland confiscated the infrastructure and refused to pay, that's why the gas isn't flowing. There were no "new payment terms" - Gazprom specified that the payments now have to be made to accounts that are not "frozen". Obviously, since it is a business, you can't "pay" and then yourself freeze the account that you paid to - are you a complete idiot?

    The updated payment procedure was accepted by Austria, Hungary, Slovakia, Italy, Balkans, Turkey, etc...It is a transaction and not a theft - any party to a business deal can change the accounts they use and they do it all the time. Only a Pole with a thieving mentality can argue that Gazprom "must" ship the gas but the Poles don't have to pay.

    Stop whining and start digging for coal, you will soon need it...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @sudden death

    You are really scraping the stupid people propaganda bottom.

    I have to remind you that psychiatrists’ rule is “never argue with a patient”.

  724. @Beckow
    @sudden death


    ...Gas stopped flowing after Poland’s state-controlled oil and gas producer PGNiG — taken over by Orlen Group in November 2022 — refused Russia’s new payment terms in May last year.
     
    You are really scraping the stupid people propaganda bottom. Poland confiscated the infrastructure and refused to pay, that's why the gas isn't flowing. There were no "new payment terms" - Gazprom specified that the payments now have to be made to accounts that are not "frozen". Obviously, since it is a business, you can't "pay" and then yourself freeze the account that you paid to - are you a complete idiot?

    The updated payment procedure was accepted by Austria, Hungary, Slovakia, Italy, Balkans, Turkey, etc...It is a transaction and not a theft - any party to a business deal can change the accounts they use and they do it all the time. Only a Pole with a thieving mentality can argue that Gazprom "must" ship the gas but the Poles don't have to pay.

    Stop whining and start digging for coal, you will soon need it...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @sudden death

    Someone truly must be an idiot, if he’s not capable to differentiate and grasp the difference between the natgas for Poland and Germany – any commercial disputes of Poland/Russia natgas supply legally do not have anything to do with gas intented for German consumption even if the physical flow goes through there, especially if Poland has alternative sources both from LNG import and Norway pipeline;)

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @sudden death


    ...any commercial disputes of Poland/Russia natgas supply legally do not have anything to do with gas intented for German consumption even if the physical flow goes through Poland
     
    Ok, the German dispute has nothing to do with Poland - so leave the thieving Poles out of it, they have no case.

    Russia is willing to start shipping to Germany through NS2 (one NS2 pipe works). Putin said it again yesterday. Germany paid for half of NS2 but refuses to issue the permit. It was all in contracts that both sides signed, so Germany has no case - not that matters much in the Western kangaroo "courts" today. But they are on their way out.

    We are beyond that, Germany will buy LNG that will eventually come mostly from Russia because of logistics and the Russian pricing power. Germany will have unreliable and more expensive energy. Russia will make more money. Poland no transit fees. It is not a rocket science, Some people made very bad business decisions...

  725. @AP
    @Beckow


    Until February 2022 no Nato leader could stand in front of a mike without saying “Ukraine will be in Nato and it is none of Russia’s business”. Today they don’t say it any more
     
    July 2023 (not today, but well past February 2022):

    https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3455199/leaders-agree-to-expedite-ukraines-nato-membership/#:~:text=Finally%2C%20leaders%20reaffirmed%20that%20Ukraine,%2C%22%20the%20secretary%20general%20said.

    “Leaders Agree to Expedite Ukraine's NATO Membership”

    Ukraine is closer to NATO now than it was before the war.

    September 2023:

    https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_218847.htm

    “ Secretary General in Kyiv: Ukraine is closer to NATO than ever before”

    January 2024:

    https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/115204.htm

    Ukraine will become a member of NATO

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Ukraine will become a member of NATO

    Only if Kiev wins the war and Russia doesn’t protect itself with nukes. It means never.

    Your boiler-plate empty quotes are desperate – expedite, closer? what does that mean?

    I said: public talk by the Nato leaders – Biden, Scholz, Macron, the Indian…they are the leaders, not a PR person issuing busy-work meaningless paper. Or even that weirdo ‘Kamala’, show them posturing like they did before the war. They know better now.

    You like to escape into lying by infantilism…one almost feels sorry for you.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    …Ukraine will become a member of NATO

    Only if Kiev wins the war and Russia doesn’t protect itself with nukes. It means never.
     
    Because Beckow says so?

    Here you lied:

    "Until February 2022 no Nato leader could stand in front of a mike without saying “Ukraine will be in Nato and it is none of Russia’s business”. Today they don’t say it any more"

    But just a few months ago, more than a year and a half since Russia invaded, the secretary General of NATO came to Kiev and stated:

    https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_218847.htm

    “ Secretary General in Kyiv: Ukraine is closer to NATO than ever before”"

    I said: public talk by the Nato leaders – Biden, Scholz, Macron, the Indian
     
    So the secretary general of NATO is not a NATO leader?

    In your desperation you keep trying to change the goal posts.

    But you fail as usual.

    Here is the Indian guy, British PM Sunak, June 2023, more than a year after the Russian invasion:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/01/british-pm-rishi-sunak-says-ukraines-rightful-place-is-in-nato.html

    U.K. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said Thursday that Ukraine’s “rightful place” is within the NATO military alliance.

    Sunak said he agreed with comments made earlier Thursday by NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg that Ukraine is on the path toward NATO membership.

    “I agree with the NATO Secretary-General: Ukraine’s rightful place is in NATO,” Sunak told CNBC’s Silvia Amaro.

    I'm surprised you didn't shriek "autism", as you usually do when you are caught lying.

    My position was clear before - that Ukraine had a very tiny chance of ever joining NATO before Russia invaded. Maybe 5%, or 10%. Now the chances are much higher - 25%, 30%.

    The recent French position:

    https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2023/06/20/la-france-se-resout-a-soutenir-l-adhesion-de-l-ukraine-a-l-otan_6178374_3210.html

    According to our information, a recent defense council, meeting on June 12 at the Elysée, examined the hypothesis of a possible accession of Ukraine, an option now considered in Paris as a guarantee of security in its own right. , because likely to discourage Russia from continuing the war or, if the conflict were to end, to prevent any further aggression.

    However tactical it may be, this opening constitutes a real conversion for France. By acting in this way, Paris is moving closer to the positions defended by Central European countries, most of which, first and foremost Poland and the Baltic States, tirelessly advocate for Ukraine's membership in NATO. “The French position is now closer to that of Poland than to that of Germany ,” confirms a foreign diplomat.

    Replies: @Beckow

  726. @German_reader
    @sudden death


    And this was just one tiny drop from the ocean of direct lies;)
     
    Of course Putin has a selective relationship to the truth. But it doesn't change the fact the semi-official narrative in the West now is that it was Ukraine that blew up the Nordstream pipelines (supposedly on the orders of Zalushny himself). There's absolutely no question this kind of sabotage has to be considered an act of war against Germany, something that by the letter of the NATO treaty could be used to invoke Article 5 (against Ukraine!). Nor is it made up by Putin that Poland has been notably uncooperative in the Nordstream investigation and refuses to share what it knows about the crew of that yacht supposedly involved in the bombing...that's something you read in Western mainstream media. Focusing on anything Putin says about the Yamal pipeline is missing the point given that background.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    There’s absolutely no question this kind of sabotage has to be considered an act of war against Germany, something that by the letter of the NATO treaty could be used to invoke Article 5 (against Ukraine!).

    Sabotage against Russia, for sure, but against Germany?…the NS2 was first and foremost designed and built by Gasprom, including the vast majority of financing. And who is going to prosecute Ukraine for its destruction of it, seeing that its now been involved in a total war against Russia for 2 years?

    I’m impressed with Ukraine’s stealth and competence in pulling something like this off, so successfully. I shudder to think of the revenues that Russia would have received had this sabotage never taken place. More funds to buy weapons and ammunition to help fund Russia’s insidious war efforts against Ukraine. Let’s see, Germans suffering more for paying higher prices for their gas, or many more Ukrainians dying in defense of Ukraine? Things would have been better for both Germany and Russia, but not for Russia’s stupid war of aggression against Ukraine. I seriously doubt that kremlin warmongers ever forsaw this sabotage occuring, at least not by Ukrainians.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    Sabotage against Russia, for sure, but against Germany?
     
    Blowing up another country's energy infrastructure with the objective of influencing/constraining its policy choices is an act of war, as I wrote above no question it could be used to invoke NATO's Article 5 (in theory...).
    Not going to pretend otherwise, it makes me rather unsympathetic to arguments how unacceptable the Minsk agreements were for Ukraine, because they limited Ukrainian sovereignty or whatever.

    I’m impressed with Ukraine’s stealth and competence in pulling something like this off, so successfully.
     
    Ukraine will still lose the war on present trends, and since Germany is already on the path to deindustrialization, good luck with finding someone else who's going to pay for the reconstruction of what's left of Ukraine. I suppose you can ask the Polish "brothers" or start lobbying your congressman in Arizona, I'm sure they'll still care deeply about Ukraine when it's no longer about killing Russians (lol).

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  727. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    There’s absolutely no question this kind of sabotage has to be considered an act of war against Germany, something that by the letter of the NATO treaty could be used to invoke Article 5 (against Ukraine!).
     
    Sabotage against Russia, for sure, but against Germany?...the NS2 was first and foremost designed and built by Gasprom, including the vast majority of financing. And who is going to prosecute Ukraine for its destruction of it, seeing that its now been involved in a total war against Russia for 2 years?

    I'm impressed with Ukraine's stealth and competence in pulling something like this off, so successfully. I shudder to think of the revenues that Russia would have received had this sabotage never taken place. More funds to buy weapons and ammunition to help fund Russia's insidious war efforts against Ukraine. Let's see, Germans suffering more for paying higher prices for their gas, or many more Ukrainians dying in defense of Ukraine? Things would have been better for both Germany and Russia, but not for Russia's stupid war of aggression against Ukraine. I seriously doubt that kremlin warmongers ever forsaw this sabotage occuring, at least not by Ukrainians.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Sabotage against Russia, for sure, but against Germany?

    Blowing up another country’s energy infrastructure with the objective of influencing/constraining its policy choices is an act of war, as I wrote above no question it could be used to invoke NATO’s Article 5 (in theory…).
    Not going to pretend otherwise, it makes me rather unsympathetic to arguments how unacceptable the Minsk agreements were for Ukraine, because they limited Ukrainian sovereignty or whatever.

    I’m impressed with Ukraine’s stealth and competence in pulling something like this off, so successfully.

    Ukraine will still lose the war on present trends, and since Germany is already on the path to deindustrialization, good luck with finding someone else who’s going to pay for the reconstruction of what’s left of Ukraine. I suppose you can ask the Polish “brothers” or start lobbying your congressman in Arizona, I’m sure they’ll still care deeply about Ukraine when it’s no longer about killing Russians (lol).

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    Blowing up another country’s energy infrastructure with the objective of influencing/constraining its policy choices is an act of war, as I wrote above no question it could be used to invoke NATO’s Article 5 (in theory…).
     
    It wasn't Germany's energy infrastructure, but Russia's, as I've already pointed out above. If the sabotage had been perpetrated on a Russian ship transporiting gas to Germany, would you consider this as a direct threat to Germany's infrastructure too? I think that you have to consider whose boat or pipeline was sabotaged, not where its destination was earmarked to go.

    Ukraine will still lose the war on present trends
     
    You really have no idea how this war will end. If you base your best guess on "present trends" have you taken into consideration that Russia has spent two years now trying to penetrate Adviivka, a small cowntown in Donbas, and is still pounding away today? By these trends, Russia will approach Kyiv by 3024.

    As for financing the destruction Ukraine has experienced, the current game plan is to syphon off huge Russian funds still located in Western banks. This is a good way to start, and more direct payments should be made by Russia after the war ends.

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @German_reader

    Japan will take major part, just like they've been Ukraine's biggest financial supporter apart from US and UK.

    https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/28489.jpeg


    Over 30 Ukrainian companies to visit Japan for reconstruction conference

    Leading private energy company DTEK seeks collaboration in renewables

    PARIS/FRANKFURT, Germany -- More than 30 Ukrainian companies are expected to visit Japan to attend a conference in Tokyo this month that will focus on rebuilding Ukraine's economy.
     
    https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Ukraine-war/Over-30-Ukrainian-companies-to-visit-Japan-for-reconstruction-conference

    I'm they don't appreciate being lumped together as "Asiatics", as some of the Ukrainian bros often do.

    Just like Germans wouldn't appreciate being lumped together with Poles, Armenians and American wignat trash.
  728. @sudden death
    @Beckow

    Someone truly must be an idiot, if he's not capable to differentiate and grasp the difference between the natgas for Poland and Germany - any commercial disputes of Poland/Russia natgas supply legally do not have anything to do with gas intented for German consumption even if the physical flow goes through there, especially if Poland has alternative sources both from LNG import and Norway pipeline;)

    Replies: @Beckow

    …any commercial disputes of Poland/Russia natgas supply legally do not have anything to do with gas intented for German consumption even if the physical flow goes through Poland

    Ok, the German dispute has nothing to do with Poland – so leave the thieving Poles out of it, they have no case.

    Russia is willing to start shipping to Germany through NS2 (one NS2 pipe works). Putin said it again yesterday. Germany paid for half of NS2 but refuses to issue the permit. It was all in contracts that both sides signed, so Germany has no case – not that matters much in the Western kangaroo “courts” today. But they are on their way out.

    We are beyond that, Germany will buy LNG that will eventually come mostly from Russia because of logistics and the Russian pricing power. Germany will have unreliable and more expensive energy. Russia will make more money. Poland no transit fees. It is not a rocket science, Some people made very bad business decisions…

  729. @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    It is a bit of a missed opportunity on Putin's part. He could have built bridges to the American people. Instead he did not connect to a broad audience.

    • Too long, over 2 hours.
    • Began with a 20+ minute history lecture. While interesting to those like us, it was a complete miss versus his target demographics. How many tuned out?
    • Over blamed America generally, rather than Not-The-President Biden specifically.

    Putin did make some good points.

    ♦︎ Zelensky's regime refuses to negotiate with Putin
    ♦︎ The violence started back in 2014
    ♦︎ Kiev aggression is propped up by outside support

    If Ukraine receives less arms, Kiev leadership would be much more motivated to reach a good faith deal. Putin suggested weeks, though to me that sounds optimistic.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    I think you are wrong about Putin’s targeted audience.

    • Too long, over 2 hours.
    • Began with a 20+ minute history lecture. While interesting to those like us, it was a complete miss versus his target demographics. How many tuned out?

    This was targeted at people with brains. Those with the attention span of a guppy swallow Western propaganda line, hook, and sinker, so it’s useless to talk to them.

    • Over blamed America generally, rather than Not-The-President Biden specifically.

    Geopolitically the US actions never changed in living memory. Gross miscalculation regarding Russia started with Clinton, continued through Bush Jr, Obama, Trump, and current Alzheimer-in-Chief. Most likely will continue after 2024, unless the US elites come to their senses. The chances of that are slim to none.

    ♦︎ Zelensky’s regime refuses to negotiate with Putin
    ♦︎ The violence started back in 2014
    ♦︎ Kiev aggression is propped up by outside support
    If Ukraine receives less arms, Kiev leadership would be much more motivated to reach a good faith deal.

    All of this is 100% true. However, Western propaganda is working hard to ensure that intellectual guppies never learn anything about the reality. Thus, only people with brains can be possibly interested in this. Hence, it makes sense to talk to them and ignore guppies.

    Besides, the words “good faith” cannot be used in the same sentence with current Kiev regime. Most Russians are now convinced that no Western government can do anything in good faith. That’s a relatively new development: prevailing public opinion in the last years of the USSR was a lot more trusting towards the West. Gross miscalculation I mentioned above essentially wiped this out.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Could Ukraine see it? Was the entire interview on uncensored twitter in Ukraine?

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN

    , @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    I have just watched it and you are right it was aimed at the higher brain activity people. It is the same stuff Putin, Lavrov...tell their Western partners. It wasn't scripted and there was no toxic Western-like PR. It was also distinctly non-radical. People who are winning don't need to shout and shock.


    Russians are now convinced that no Western government can do anything in good faith. That’s a relatively new development
     
    True and dangerous. The Western elites thought they were clever by lying, cheating, breaking promises and stretching the truth - it was an exhilarating high while it lasted, but in the long run it has made their position worse: they can't win wars and there is not enough trust to make a deal. That leaves losing and quietly moving on hoping that noone will notice. It is tragic that Ukies signed up for the madness, they will forever regret it. Under no scenario can future Ukraine be what it could have been.

    But BoJo&Co. will be fine, they will lie that they were misunderstood and they only meant to "express doubts"...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  730. @AnonfromTN
    @YetAnotherAnon


    In those years Iraq was being armed by the West
     
    Hey, mentioning it today is extremely politically incorrect. As well as mentioning that the West supplied Saddam with what he needed to make chemical weapons (all of which he used against Iraqi Kurds). Or that Saddam had no chemical weapons when the chorus of Western intelligence (this word does not seem applicable) agencies claimed that he had them.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    Claiming that the West is evil is not considered poltically incorrect in the West, it is not far from one if the main politically correct Western talking points at the moment.

    Afaik these things about Western supplies to Iraq will be known by anyone who has read any book about the Iran-Iraq war.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Coconuts

    I'm anti-Western myself (well, more like anti-American tbh), but I agree, that fake anti-imperialism by AnonfromTN, Beckow et al. is just nauseatingly tiresome. As if the Soviets hadn't supported plenty of trule vile people in the 3rd world themselves who were responsible for all manner of mass atrocities.
    Those Soviet boomer talking points really are just the mirror image of the ideology dominating the West, not a true alternative.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Coconuts


    Afaik these things about Western supplies to Iraq will be known by anyone who has read any book about the Iran-Iraq war.
     
    True enough. Now, what’s the fraction of the people in the West “who has read any book about the Iran-Iraq war”? 0.1%? 0.01%? 0.001%?

    How does this compare to the fraction of the people who read Daily Mail or similar politically correct rags in other countries? Or get the same BS from TV, Internet, and other sources?

    Replies: @German_reader

  731. German_reader says:
    @Coconuts
    @AnonfromTN

    Claiming that the West is evil is not considered poltically incorrect in the West, it is not far from one if the main politically correct Western talking points at the moment.

    Afaik these things about Western supplies to Iraq will be known by anyone who has read any book about the Iran-Iraq war.

    Replies: @German_reader, @AnonfromTN

    I’m anti-Western myself (well, more like anti-American tbh), but I agree, that fake anti-imperialism by AnonfromTN, Beckow et al. is just nauseatingly tiresome. As if the Soviets hadn’t supported plenty of trule vile people in the 3rd world themselves who were responsible for all manner of mass atrocities.
    Those Soviet boomer talking points really are just the mirror image of the ideology dominating the West, not a true alternative.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    As if the Soviets hadn’t supported plenty of trule vile people in the 3rd world themselves who were responsible for all manner of mass atrocities.
     
    Look at the calendar: the year is 2024. In case you haven’t noticed, Soviet Union was disbanded more than 30 years ago. Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and many other things happened when Soviets no longer existed.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Gerard1234
    @German_reader


    As if the Soviets hadn’t supported plenty of trule vile people in the 3rd world themselves who were responsible for all manner of mass atrocities.
     
    Nonsense. Every single leader in Africa, Asia and South America that went pro-Soviet - western scum intelligence services tried to destroy them immediately , and especially the entire country through wars and economic blockades if it could be an initiator of removing the pro-Soviet from power.

    Soviets "crime" is the exact opposite - passivity with very complex internal situations in those countries, supporting any incumbent government (if Marxist or geopolitically pro-Soviet) to keep stability in the country.

    Sadat of Egypt went Anti-soviet and reversed direction on Israel........and the Soviets didn't do anything to him or his regime

    What exactly happened to China when there was the fracture with USSR?

    How many Bay of Pigs equivalent from USSR?

    Not too much happened in Chile or Argentina (comparatively) after US-created coups against elected governments. OK - there are other countries where the list isn't perfect, but the general trend I am talking about is correct. US tries to create chaos to get what they want, USSR struggles to get any stable country outside of Europe.

    Replies: @German_reader

  732. @Coconuts
    @AnonfromTN

    Claiming that the West is evil is not considered poltically incorrect in the West, it is not far from one if the main politically correct Western talking points at the moment.

    Afaik these things about Western supplies to Iraq will be known by anyone who has read any book about the Iran-Iraq war.

    Replies: @German_reader, @AnonfromTN

    Afaik these things about Western supplies to Iraq will be known by anyone who has read any book about the Iran-Iraq war.

    True enough. Now, what’s the fraction of the people in the West “who has read any book about the Iran-Iraq war”? 0.1%? 0.01%? 0.001%?

    How does this compare to the fraction of the people who read Daily Mail or similar politically correct rags in other countries? Or get the same BS from TV, Internet, and other sources?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN

    How many Russians know, let alone feel sorry about something like Soviet support for the Mengistu regime in Ethiopia?
    Soviet Union was also still a major arms supplier for Iraq in the 1980s btw (unsurprisingly, Soviet Union had no interest in the revolutionary regime in Iran winning the war, Soviets were the "lesser Satan" after all back then).

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  733. @AnonfromTN
    @A123

    I think you are wrong about Putin’s targeted audience.

    • Too long, over 2 hours.
    • Began with a 20+ minute history lecture. While interesting to those like us, it was a complete miss versus his target demographics. How many tuned out?

    This was targeted at people with brains. Those with the attention span of a guppy swallow Western propaganda line, hook, and sinker, so it’s useless to talk to them.

    • Over blamed America generally, rather than Not-The-President Biden specifically.

    Geopolitically the US actions never changed in living memory. Gross miscalculation regarding Russia started with Clinton, continued through Bush Jr, Obama, Trump, and current Alzheimer-in-Chief. Most likely will continue after 2024, unless the US elites come to their senses. The chances of that are slim to none.

    ♦︎ Zelensky’s regime refuses to negotiate with Putin
    ♦︎ The violence started back in 2014
    ♦︎ Kiev aggression is propped up by outside support
    If Ukraine receives less arms, Kiev leadership would be much more motivated to reach a good faith deal.

    All of this is 100% true. However, Western propaganda is working hard to ensure that intellectual guppies never learn anything about the reality. Thus, only people with brains can be possibly interested in this. Hence, it makes sense to talk to them and ignore guppies.

    Besides, the words “good faith” cannot be used in the same sentence with current Kiev regime. Most Russians are now convinced that no Western government can do anything in good faith. That’s a relatively new development: prevailing public opinion in the last years of the USSR was a lot more trusting towards the West. Gross miscalculation I mentioned above essentially wiped this out.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow

    Could Ukraine see it? Was the entire interview on uncensored twitter in Ukraine?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Could Ukraine see it? Was the entire interview on uncensored twitter in Ukraine?
     
    Not only could they see it, they are dissecting it actively and some of them are laughing. Some are comparing Tucker to Walter Durant.

    Btw, Ukrainians do not get the bulk of their info from twitter. They have a range of local channels and various YouTubers and opinion makers with their own popular private channels where they dissect world affairs all day every day without being censored much (the censorship that appeared recently is bleeping out of sensitive words pertaining to violence).

    Mikhailo Podolyak said that it was actually a good thing this aired, because it showed how little Putin is actually willing to "negotiate" (and that grandpa lives in his own head) - namely, when asked a question about Ukraine he dives into a long pseudo-historic excursus (ofc, permeated with deeply biased Russian imperialist outlook), but when asked about the war he just assumes the attitude of "well, give me Odessa and then we can talk".

    How do the Americans like these types of pseudo-imperialistic rants when they themselves once had to fight a war against the British Empire...

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Could Ukraine see it? Was the entire interview on uncensored twitter in Ukraine?
     
    Don’t know. Can ask relatives who live there. Will tell you if I get an answer.

    I guess that the regime would do everything to censor it out. However, many Ukraine residents use various means to bypass draconian regime censorship. E.g., many in Ukraine communicate via Russian social network VK, which is officially prohibited by the regime.
  734. German_reader says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @Coconuts


    Afaik these things about Western supplies to Iraq will be known by anyone who has read any book about the Iran-Iraq war.
     
    True enough. Now, what’s the fraction of the people in the West “who has read any book about the Iran-Iraq war”? 0.1%? 0.01%? 0.001%?

    How does this compare to the fraction of the people who read Daily Mail or similar politically correct rags in other countries? Or get the same BS from TV, Internet, and other sources?

    Replies: @German_reader

    How many Russians know, let alone feel sorry about something like Soviet support for the Mengistu regime in Ethiopia?
    Soviet Union was also still a major arms supplier for Iraq in the 1980s btw (unsurprisingly, Soviet Union had no interest in the revolutionary regime in Iran winning the war, Soviets were the “lesser Satan” after all back then).

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    How many Russians know, let alone feel sorry about something like Soviet support for the Mengistu regime in Ethiopia?
    Soviet Union was also still a major arms supplier for Iraq in the 1980s btw
     
    Mengistu regime in Ethiopia was overthrown many years ago, in 1991. How do the numbers of people in Ethiopia murdered, tortured, and raped during the Mengistu regime and after it was overthrown compare? Or compare the same numbers on an annual basis.

    Similar simple question: how do the numbers of people in Iraq murdered, tortured, and raped during the Saddam regime and after it was overthrown by the US aggression compare? You are welcome to compare these numbers on an annual basis.

    It would also be instructive to do the same math for Somalia, Libya, Afghanistan, or Kiev regime-controlled parts of Ukraine.

  735. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    Sabotage against Russia, for sure, but against Germany?
     
    Blowing up another country's energy infrastructure with the objective of influencing/constraining its policy choices is an act of war, as I wrote above no question it could be used to invoke NATO's Article 5 (in theory...).
    Not going to pretend otherwise, it makes me rather unsympathetic to arguments how unacceptable the Minsk agreements were for Ukraine, because they limited Ukrainian sovereignty or whatever.

    I’m impressed with Ukraine’s stealth and competence in pulling something like this off, so successfully.
     
    Ukraine will still lose the war on present trends, and since Germany is already on the path to deindustrialization, good luck with finding someone else who's going to pay for the reconstruction of what's left of Ukraine. I suppose you can ask the Polish "brothers" or start lobbying your congressman in Arizona, I'm sure they'll still care deeply about Ukraine when it's no longer about killing Russians (lol).

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Blowing up another country’s energy infrastructure with the objective of influencing/constraining its policy choices is an act of war, as I wrote above no question it could be used to invoke NATO’s Article 5 (in theory…).

    It wasn’t Germany’s energy infrastructure, but Russia’s, as I’ve already pointed out above. If the sabotage had been perpetrated on a Russian ship transporiting gas to Germany, would you consider this as a direct threat to Germany’s infrastructure too? I think that you have to consider whose boat or pipeline was sabotaged, not where its destination was earmarked to go.

    Ukraine will still lose the war on present trends

    You really have no idea how this war will end. If you base your best guess on “present trends” have you taken into consideration that Russia has spent two years now trying to penetrate Adviivka, a small cowntown in Donbas, and is still pounding away today? By these trends, Russia will approach Kyiv by 3024.

    As for financing the destruction Ukraine has experienced, the current game plan is to syphon off huge Russian funds still located in Western banks. This is a good way to start, and more direct payments should be made by Russia after the war ends.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    It wasn’t Germany’s energy infrastructure
     
    It was a joint project, and the primary objective of the Nordstream sabotage was obviously to destroy Germany's freedom of action and to prevent it from playing a more independent role (imo there wasn't any prospect of that anyway, but apparently it was seen as a risk by those who ordered the sabotage). Ok, I get, you think it's no big deal, in war everything's fair etc., not much point to arguing about it.

    If you base your best guess on “present trends” have you taken into consideration that Russia has spent two years now trying to penetrate Adviivka
     
    Ukraine hasn't really managed to re-conquer anything either since late 2022, and I haven't yet seen any plausible scenario how it could ever do so. In a war of attrition Russia is likely to prevail in the end and force some sort of settlement on Ukraine. I hope it won't entail fighting and destruction in major cities or additional large territorial losses for Ukraine, but there's no way Ukraine can win this in the sense of evicting Russian troops from all of the 1991 territory. The stated war goals are absurd.

    This is a good way to start, and more direct payments should be made by Russia after the war ends.
     
    I really wonder what sort of mechanism you imagine to make Russia pay...file a lawsuit somewhere? This is just pure wishful thinking.
    , @LatW
    @Mr. Hack


    It wasn’t Germany’s energy infrastructure, but Russia’s, as I’ve already pointed out above.
     
    The transboundary passes too close to Germany's territorial waters (or the special economic zone that directly affects Germany) so it merits respect for Germany (and Denmark, too, was affected, in the Island of Bornholm). We shouldn't be too hasty to dismiss the investigation and just accept the current version (we don't have to talk about it loudly, and, of course, you are free to do as you please and defend whichever side you choose, but regardless of our geopolitical stance, we should be careful with these kinds of things). There is not enough information about who was on that boat, seems like really sketchy characters, or some rogue group (some Russian speakers from Ukraine, allegedly). The boat can also be some kind of a decoy. I don't think that Ukraine at that time was in the psychological state to do this. Nor does it seem like something that Budanov would do. I doubt the Ukrainian state would've been able to operate that far in the North at that time.

    What if the CIA did it with the help of some rogue group? Or the FSB in a similar manner? It is one of the big ones who did it, for sure. Too big of a deal. Possibly involving smaller governments or even clandestine groups.

    Remember that right before the invasion, Biden said "There is no way that Nord Stream will stay open if there is an invasion [by Russia into Ukraine]". That was spoken with great certainty, the tone was very determined.

    Here is the quote from Wiki:


    On 6 February 2022, speaking at a joint news conference with German chancellor Olaf Scholz, American president Joe Biden said "If Russia invades … Ukraine again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it." When asked how he would do that, he responded, "I promise you, we’ll be able to do it."
     

    Replies: @Beckow

  736. @German_reader
    @Coconuts

    I'm anti-Western myself (well, more like anti-American tbh), but I agree, that fake anti-imperialism by AnonfromTN, Beckow et al. is just nauseatingly tiresome. As if the Soviets hadn't supported plenty of trule vile people in the 3rd world themselves who were responsible for all manner of mass atrocities.
    Those Soviet boomer talking points really are just the mirror image of the ideology dominating the West, not a true alternative.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    As if the Soviets hadn’t supported plenty of trule vile people in the 3rd world themselves who were responsible for all manner of mass atrocities.

    Look at the calendar: the year is 2024. In case you haven’t noticed, Soviet Union was disbanded more than 30 years ago. Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and many other things happened when Soviets no longer existed.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN

    Your previous comment was about events in the 1980s, so my comment was entirely relevant.
    Here's a report from the RAND corporation (yes, I know, maybe not the best source, but see no reason to doubt the data in its essentials), you can look at the graphic on p. 31 about arms sales to Iraq in the 1980s:
    https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/notes/2009/N3248.pdf
    Or here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIPRI_Arms_Transfers_Database,_Iraq_1973%E2%80%931990
    Soviet Union was Iraq's major arms supplier for much of the 1980s (though they didn't sell arms from 1980 to 1982), so I don't know why you think this moralizing about gassed Kurds makes much sense from a Russian pov.


    Similar simple question: how do the numbers of people in Iraq murdered, tortured, and raped during the Saddam regime and after it was overthrown by the US aggression compare? You are welcome to compare these numbers on an annual basis.
     
    Not sure why you're asking me that, I've always been against the Iraq war and am one of the most anti-American commenters here (whatever it may have been a long time ago, like in the immediate post-WW2 era, imo there's no doubt that today the US is overwhelmingly a force for evil in the world). I just don't find the self-indulgent view a lot of Russians seem to have about their country's role in the world (always on the side of freedom movements, standing up against imperialism, never done anything wrong) very convincing either.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  737. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    Blowing up another country’s energy infrastructure with the objective of influencing/constraining its policy choices is an act of war, as I wrote above no question it could be used to invoke NATO’s Article 5 (in theory…).
     
    It wasn't Germany's energy infrastructure, but Russia's, as I've already pointed out above. If the sabotage had been perpetrated on a Russian ship transporiting gas to Germany, would you consider this as a direct threat to Germany's infrastructure too? I think that you have to consider whose boat or pipeline was sabotaged, not where its destination was earmarked to go.

    Ukraine will still lose the war on present trends
     
    You really have no idea how this war will end. If you base your best guess on "present trends" have you taken into consideration that Russia has spent two years now trying to penetrate Adviivka, a small cowntown in Donbas, and is still pounding away today? By these trends, Russia will approach Kyiv by 3024.

    As for financing the destruction Ukraine has experienced, the current game plan is to syphon off huge Russian funds still located in Western banks. This is a good way to start, and more direct payments should be made by Russia after the war ends.

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW

    It wasn’t Germany’s energy infrastructure

    It was a joint project, and the primary objective of the Nordstream sabotage was obviously to destroy Germany’s freedom of action and to prevent it from playing a more independent role (imo there wasn’t any prospect of that anyway, but apparently it was seen as a risk by those who ordered the sabotage). Ok, I get, you think it’s no big deal, in war everything’s fair etc., not much point to arguing about it.

    If you base your best guess on “present trends” have you taken into consideration that Russia has spent two years now trying to penetrate Adviivka

    Ukraine hasn’t really managed to re-conquer anything either since late 2022, and I haven’t yet seen any plausible scenario how it could ever do so. In a war of attrition Russia is likely to prevail in the end and force some sort of settlement on Ukraine. I hope it won’t entail fighting and destruction in major cities or additional large territorial losses for Ukraine, but there’s no way Ukraine can win this in the sense of evicting Russian troops from all of the 1991 territory. The stated war goals are absurd.

    This is a good way to start, and more direct payments should be made by Russia after the war ends.

    I really wonder what sort of mechanism you imagine to make Russia pay…file a lawsuit somewhere? This is just pure wishful thinking.

  738. @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN

    How many Russians know, let alone feel sorry about something like Soviet support for the Mengistu regime in Ethiopia?
    Soviet Union was also still a major arms supplier for Iraq in the 1980s btw (unsurprisingly, Soviet Union had no interest in the revolutionary regime in Iran winning the war, Soviets were the "lesser Satan" after all back then).

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    How many Russians know, let alone feel sorry about something like Soviet support for the Mengistu regime in Ethiopia?
    Soviet Union was also still a major arms supplier for Iraq in the 1980s btw

    Mengistu regime in Ethiopia was overthrown many years ago, in 1991. How do the numbers of people in Ethiopia murdered, tortured, and raped during the Mengistu regime and after it was overthrown compare? Or compare the same numbers on an annual basis.

    Similar simple question: how do the numbers of people in Iraq murdered, tortured, and raped during the Saddam regime and after it was overthrown by the US aggression compare? You are welcome to compare these numbers on an annual basis.

    It would also be instructive to do the same math for Somalia, Libya, Afghanistan, or Kiev regime-controlled parts of Ukraine.

  739. German_reader says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    As if the Soviets hadn’t supported plenty of trule vile people in the 3rd world themselves who were responsible for all manner of mass atrocities.
     
    Look at the calendar: the year is 2024. In case you haven’t noticed, Soviet Union was disbanded more than 30 years ago. Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, and many other things happened when Soviets no longer existed.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Your previous comment was about events in the 1980s, so my comment was entirely relevant.
    Here’s a report from the RAND corporation (yes, I know, maybe not the best source, but see no reason to doubt the data in its essentials), you can look at the graphic on p. 31 about arms sales to Iraq in the 1980s:
    https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/notes/2009/N3248.pdf
    Or here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIPRI_Arms_Transfers_Database,_Iraq_1973%E2%80%931990
    Soviet Union was Iraq’s major arms supplier for much of the 1980s (though they didn’t sell arms from 1980 to 1982), so I don’t know why you think this moralizing about gassed Kurds makes much sense from a Russian pov.

    Similar simple question: how do the numbers of people in Iraq murdered, tortured, and raped during the Saddam regime and after it was overthrown by the US aggression compare? You are welcome to compare these numbers on an annual basis.

    Not sure why you’re asking me that, I’ve always been against the Iraq war and am one of the most anti-American commenters here (whatever it may have been a long time ago, like in the immediate post-WW2 era, imo there’s no doubt that today the US is overwhelmingly a force for evil in the world). I just don’t find the self-indulgent view a lot of Russians seem to have about their country’s role in the world (always on the side of freedom movements, standing up against imperialism, never done anything wrong) very convincing either.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    Your previous comment was about events in the 1980s, so my comment was entirely relevant.
     
    The 1980s have long passed. Anyway, let’s dot the i’s and cross the t’s.

    Iraq. Saddam was pretty brutal, but he did not murder and torture in many years as many people as the US “liberators” did in just a few. Remember footage of the “liberators” shooting people with machine guns from a helicopter? Remember gross evidence from Abu-Graib prison? What’s more, the “liberators” robbed Iraq museums, with many artifacts lost forever.

    Iraqis liked US-brought “democracy” so much that Iraq parliament demanded that all occupiers leave ASAP. US bases are constantly under attack by Iraqis. A couple of days ago Iraqi police just barely held back crowds of Iraqis who wanted to burn down the US embassy in Bagdad. If the US troops don’t leave soon enough, next time Iraqi police will likely join those crowds.

    Somalia, Libya, Ethiopia. No doubt Siad Barre, Mengistu, and Ghaddafi were brutal dictators. However, their overthrow showed that they kept in check a lot greater brutality. Mayhem that ensued, with murders and other crimes, greatly increased human suffering in those countries after the fall of dictators.

    Serbia. The US and the rest of NATO committed numerous war crimes bombing civilians. Not on the scale of US war crimes in Korea and Vietnam, but crimes nonetheless.

    My point is, in real life you have to mind what you choose from. As the saying goes, “be careful what you wish for, your wish may be granted”.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

  740. @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader


    Blowing up another country’s energy infrastructure with the objective of influencing/constraining its policy choices is an act of war, as I wrote above no question it could be used to invoke NATO’s Article 5 (in theory…).
     
    It wasn't Germany's energy infrastructure, but Russia's, as I've already pointed out above. If the sabotage had been perpetrated on a Russian ship transporiting gas to Germany, would you consider this as a direct threat to Germany's infrastructure too? I think that you have to consider whose boat or pipeline was sabotaged, not where its destination was earmarked to go.

    Ukraine will still lose the war on present trends
     
    You really have no idea how this war will end. If you base your best guess on "present trends" have you taken into consideration that Russia has spent two years now trying to penetrate Adviivka, a small cowntown in Donbas, and is still pounding away today? By these trends, Russia will approach Kyiv by 3024.

    As for financing the destruction Ukraine has experienced, the current game plan is to syphon off huge Russian funds still located in Western banks. This is a good way to start, and more direct payments should be made by Russia after the war ends.

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW

    It wasn’t Germany’s energy infrastructure, but Russia’s, as I’ve already pointed out above.

    The transboundary passes too close to Germany’s territorial waters (or the special economic zone that directly affects Germany) so it merits respect for Germany (and Denmark, too, was affected, in the Island of Bornholm). We shouldn’t be too hasty to dismiss the investigation and just accept the current version (we don’t have to talk about it loudly, and, of course, you are free to do as you please and defend whichever side you choose, but regardless of our geopolitical stance, we should be careful with these kinds of things). There is not enough information about who was on that boat, seems like really sketchy characters, or some rogue group (some Russian speakers from Ukraine, allegedly). The boat can also be some kind of a decoy. I don’t think that Ukraine at that time was in the psychological state to do this. Nor does it seem like something that Budanov would do. I doubt the Ukrainian state would’ve been able to operate that far in the North at that time.

    What if the CIA did it with the help of some rogue group? Or the FSB in a similar manner? It is one of the big ones who did it, for sure. Too big of a deal. Possibly involving smaller governments or even clandestine groups.

    Remember that right before the invasion, Biden said “There is no way that Nord Stream will stay open if there is an invasion [by Russia into Ukraine]”. That was spoken with great certainty, the tone was very determined.

    Here is the quote from Wiki:

    On 6 February 2022, speaking at a joint news conference with German chancellor Olaf Scholz, American president Joe Biden said “If Russia invades … Ukraine again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.” When asked how he would do that, he responded, “I promise you, we’ll be able to do it.”

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...It is one of the big ones who did it, for sure
     
    It is, but which one? Cui bono? Destroying NS locked Germany into an energy dependency on US and its allies...it also cost Germany-Austria $5 billion that they will never get back. Russia's loss of $5 billion is made up by the higher LNG prices for lower volumes. The big loser was German industry.

    The "yachts" and similar stories are distractions released to muddy up waters. Kiev and Poland don't have the guts to do anything not pre-approved. The fact that it is not investigated and the media has buried the story points westward.

    It doesn't matter - it was a physical manifestation of the strategic shift taking place anyway. There is a de facto war between Nato and Russia - in wars there are only two sides, so Germany was forced to do its part. What matters is who wins - as in the past the losing side will have catastrophic losers (Kiev), badly hurt losers (Germany, Poland, Balts...), and losers who walk away largely unscathed (Washington, maybe France, UK).

    The lesson is to never allow big guys to fight a war where you live.

    Replies: @LatW, @YetAnotherAnon

  741. @AnonfromTN
    @A123

    I think you are wrong about Putin’s targeted audience.

    • Too long, over 2 hours.
    • Began with a 20+ minute history lecture. While interesting to those like us, it was a complete miss versus his target demographics. How many tuned out?

    This was targeted at people with brains. Those with the attention span of a guppy swallow Western propaganda line, hook, and sinker, so it’s useless to talk to them.

    • Over blamed America generally, rather than Not-The-President Biden specifically.

    Geopolitically the US actions never changed in living memory. Gross miscalculation regarding Russia started with Clinton, continued through Bush Jr, Obama, Trump, and current Alzheimer-in-Chief. Most likely will continue after 2024, unless the US elites come to their senses. The chances of that are slim to none.

    ♦︎ Zelensky’s regime refuses to negotiate with Putin
    ♦︎ The violence started back in 2014
    ♦︎ Kiev aggression is propped up by outside support
    If Ukraine receives less arms, Kiev leadership would be much more motivated to reach a good faith deal.

    All of this is 100% true. However, Western propaganda is working hard to ensure that intellectual guppies never learn anything about the reality. Thus, only people with brains can be possibly interested in this. Hence, it makes sense to talk to them and ignore guppies.

    Besides, the words “good faith” cannot be used in the same sentence with current Kiev regime. Most Russians are now convinced that no Western government can do anything in good faith. That’s a relatively new development: prevailing public opinion in the last years of the USSR was a lot more trusting towards the West. Gross miscalculation I mentioned above essentially wiped this out.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow

    I have just watched it and you are right it was aimed at the higher brain activity people. It is the same stuff Putin, Lavrov…tell their Western partners. It wasn’t scripted and there was no toxic Western-like PR. It was also distinctly non-radical. People who are winning don’t need to shout and shock.

    Russians are now convinced that no Western government can do anything in good faith. That’s a relatively new development

    True and dangerous. The Western elites thought they were clever by lying, cheating, breaking promises and stretching the truth – it was an exhilarating high while it lasted, but in the long run it has made their position worse: they can’t win wars and there is not enough trust to make a deal. That leaves losing and quietly moving on hoping that noone will notice. It is tragic that Ukies signed up for the madness, they will forever regret it. Under no scenario can future Ukraine be what it could have been.

    But BoJo&Co. will be fine, they will lie that they were misunderstood and they only meant to “express doubts”…

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    The Western elites thought they were clever by lying, cheating, breaking promises and stretching the truth
     
    They just tried to cheat too many times. As American saying puts it, “fool me once - shame on you, fool me twice - shame on me”.
  742. To give Putin credit, this time he actually quite truthfully implied that all that RF propjunk nonsense about NATO/US threat is very secondary in importance for him while trying to delete UA from the map;)

    Again the most remarkable thing in this is the quality of the advice Putin is getting.

    The sundered triune Russian nation narrative is for Russians.

    The NATO expansion and unisex toilets stuff is for American rightoids.

    But he somehow managed to mix them up!?

    [MORE]

    • LOL: LatW
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @sudden death


    The sundered triune Russian nation narrative is for Russians.
     
    Three cheers for Karlin. He needs to be applauded for some serious progress in his thinking here. At one time I would chide him for his strong attachment to these sorts of precepts. He's evolving and able to overcome his long cherished Russian nationalistic views, this is more than I can say about many of the hardcorp sovok types that still show up here everyday.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Gerard1234

    , @QCIC
    @sudden death

    Poor Anatoly, he tries to understand and cannot.

    He needs to destroy all of his devices and move to the frozen North. After living with the Chukotka for five years on seal meat and whale oil he may be able to see the big picture.

    A painful yet relevant snip from wiki:


    A Chukcha ['Tolya'] applies for membership in the Union of Soviet Writers. He is asked what literature he is familiar with. "Have you read Pushkin?" "No." "Have you read Dostoevsky?" "No." “Can you read at all?" The Chukcha, offended, replies, "Chukcha not reader, Chukcha writer!"
     
    I think his head and heart are in the right place so I hope he finds his way.

    Replies: @songbird

  743. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Could Ukraine see it? Was the entire interview on uncensored twitter in Ukraine?

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN

    Could Ukraine see it? Was the entire interview on uncensored twitter in Ukraine?

    Not only could they see it, they are dissecting it actively and some of them are laughing. Some are comparing Tucker to Walter Durant.

    Btw, Ukrainians do not get the bulk of their info from twitter. They have a range of local channels and various YouTubers and opinion makers with their own popular private channels where they dissect world affairs all day every day without being censored much (the censorship that appeared recently is bleeping out of sensitive words pertaining to violence).

    Mikhailo Podolyak said that it was actually a good thing this aired, because it showed how little Putin is actually willing to “negotiate” (and that grandpa lives in his own head) – namely, when asked a question about Ukraine he dives into a long pseudo-historic excursus (ofc, permeated with deeply biased Russian imperialist outlook), but when asked about the war he just assumes the attitude of “well, give me Odessa and then we can talk”.

    How do the Americans like these types of pseudo-imperialistic rants when they themselves once had to fight a war against the British Empire…

  744. In a sane world, GR would-be hired to make anti-American propaganda, rather than whatever his job is now.
    _____
    The other “Sikh movies” I noticed on US Netflix were one about the massacre, and a remake of Forrest Gump, where the titular character was a Sikh.

  745. @LatW
    @Mr. Hack


    It wasn’t Germany’s energy infrastructure, but Russia’s, as I’ve already pointed out above.
     
    The transboundary passes too close to Germany's territorial waters (or the special economic zone that directly affects Germany) so it merits respect for Germany (and Denmark, too, was affected, in the Island of Bornholm). We shouldn't be too hasty to dismiss the investigation and just accept the current version (we don't have to talk about it loudly, and, of course, you are free to do as you please and defend whichever side you choose, but regardless of our geopolitical stance, we should be careful with these kinds of things). There is not enough information about who was on that boat, seems like really sketchy characters, or some rogue group (some Russian speakers from Ukraine, allegedly). The boat can also be some kind of a decoy. I don't think that Ukraine at that time was in the psychological state to do this. Nor does it seem like something that Budanov would do. I doubt the Ukrainian state would've been able to operate that far in the North at that time.

    What if the CIA did it with the help of some rogue group? Or the FSB in a similar manner? It is one of the big ones who did it, for sure. Too big of a deal. Possibly involving smaller governments or even clandestine groups.

    Remember that right before the invasion, Biden said "There is no way that Nord Stream will stay open if there is an invasion [by Russia into Ukraine]". That was spoken with great certainty, the tone was very determined.

    Here is the quote from Wiki:


    On 6 February 2022, speaking at a joint news conference with German chancellor Olaf Scholz, American president Joe Biden said "If Russia invades … Ukraine again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it." When asked how he would do that, he responded, "I promise you, we’ll be able to do it."
     

    Replies: @Beckow

    …It is one of the big ones who did it, for sure

    It is, but which one? Cui bono? Destroying NS locked Germany into an energy dependency on US and its allies…it also cost Germany-Austria $5 billion that they will never get back. Russia’s loss of $5 billion is made up by the higher LNG prices for lower volumes. The big loser was German industry.

    The “yachts” and similar stories are distractions released to muddy up waters. Kiev and Poland don’t have the guts to do anything not pre-approved. The fact that it is not investigated and the media has buried the story points westward.

    It doesn’t matter – it was a physical manifestation of the strategic shift taking place anyway. There is a de facto war between Nato and Russia – in wars there are only two sides, so Germany was forced to do its part. What matters is who wins – as in the past the losing side will have catastrophic losers (Kiev), badly hurt losers (Germany, Poland, Balts…), and losers who walk away largely unscathed (Washington, maybe France, UK).

    The lesson is to never allow big guys to fight a war where you live.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    The lesson is to never allow big guys to fight a war where you live.
     
    One needs an army for this (a large Euro army, and more nuclear warheads), something that the older EE generation didn't manage to build (out of lack of desire, competence or simply lack of strength), diplomatic acrobatics and weak economic manipulations, do not suffice here.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Beckow

    The UK is losing badly, though maybe not as badly as Germany.

    Admittedly some of this - quite a lot, actually - is self-inflicted.

    UK government energy policy is suicidally stupid.

    Management Summary

    UK government plans to double UK electricity production, to power all our Chinese electric cars, Chinese heat pumps, Chinese/Indian electric arc furnaces, and Chinese electronic goods.

    TL, DR version

    They want to stop using coal and oil, which in the rest of the world are being burned at record levels – replacing oil and gas heating by electric heat pumps, mostly made in the countries burning coal and oil. They also want Brits to drive electric cars – again mostly made in coal-burning China – Tesla 3s from Shanghai, MGs and Polestars from China.

    But…

    a) houses aren’t insulated well enough for heat pumps, and radiators and pipes will need replacing – huge job, involving more than half the UK housing stock.

    b) this implies a DOUBLING of electricity generation, which also implies a huge new network of power lines all over our formerly green and not so pleasant land. The existing network was built from the old coal power stations, mostly closed down.

    c) the government tied themselves a decade ago to France’s EDF, whose next-gen nuclear reactors (which were going to save both countries - but France have a much larger installed base) are alas crap, way behind schedule and way over cost. Just to add to their issues, the le Creusot Forge who make all the steel pressure vessels turned out to have been fiddling their quality control figures since 1965!

    So UK energy policy is going to hit the buffers big time.

    You’d think the UK government had been controlled since 1979 by foreigners who hate the British people. It would certainly explain our trajectory.

    Replies: @German_reader

  746. The first responses of the Chinese to Putin’s interview.

    Moreover, mainland Chinese. And not some Taiwanese.

    Zichen Wang is a former XINHUA employee. He currently works at The Center for China and Globalization (CCG), a non-governmental think tank headquartered in Beijing.

    Robert Wu is the director of The BigOne Lab Advantage (internet analytics). The main office is also in Beijing.

    https://t.me/daokedao/31665

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death


    The first responses of the Chinese to Putin’s interview.
     
    "The Chinese" = English-speaking blue checks (one of them with the totally Chinese name "Robert") on Twitter?
    Somehow I doubt this indicates the imminent break-up of Russian-Chinese cooperation.

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @sudden death

    PRC owes its existence to Soviets so any irredentism claim is exceeding flaky.

    It's really Japan who's bear the brunt of historical Russian aggression in East Asia-- significantly through infiltration and subversion. Both the KMT and CCP came to existence as proto-"color revolutions" sponsored by Soviets. And there alot of this kind activity


    Operation Maki Mirage or Maki-Mirage (Russian: Маки-Мираж, tr. Maki-Mirazh)[1][2][3] was a Soviet intelligence operation that involved 1200 plus Soviet intelligence agent-officers, that is, spies of East Asian descent being sent to China (chiefly Manchuria), Korea and Manchukuo (existing and under Japanese rule to 1945) to perform intelligence gathering, "special tasks," and disinformation.[4][5]

    In other areas, they would carry out acts of diversion or simply allow themselves to be caught (being arrested with false papers, and other kinds of actions attracting the attention of authorities) while allowing those who were sent to carry out the "special tasks," a much higher chance of succeeding and escaping. ("Special tasks" refers to the hard, punitive or murderous actions carried out by OGPU/NKVD agents). But the Japanese, Chinese and Tsarist Whites (including sub-groups of Monarchists, Russian Fascists, etc.) in Manchuria had very little knowledge about one hidden layer of operational deception and that was the employment of hundreds of East Asian agents in Soviet intelligence,
     

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Admiral_Togo_as_a_Macaque_or_Monkey_%28Makak%29._This_is_the_cover_of_the_Russian_magazine_Budel%27nik%2C_issue_no._12%2C_1904.jpg

    The "Maki" (Маки) in "Maki-Mirage" (Маки-Мираж) is a shortening of "Makaki" (Макаки) meaning "macaques" (monkeys). This was a derogatory chauvinist/racist trope against the Japanese. While the origin was purportedly from the Japanese intervention in the Russian civil war, the usage of this trope dated back much further, as shown by this image from the Russian Empire satirical magazine Budilnik, 1904. The turn of the 20th century was a time when the Yellow Peril trope was propagandized heavily.[53][54]: 49 
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maki_Mirage
  747. @sudden death
    https://i.postimg.cc/3RrQKc8N/Chinese-POV.jpg

    The first responses of the Chinese to Putin's interview.

    Moreover, mainland Chinese. And not some Taiwanese.

    Zichen Wang is a former XINHUA employee. He currently works at The Center for China and Globalization (CCG), a non-governmental think tank headquartered in Beijing.

    Robert Wu is the director of The BigOne Lab Advantage (internet analytics). The main office is also in Beijing.
     
    https://t.me/daokedao/31665

    Replies: @German_reader, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    The first responses of the Chinese to Putin’s interview.

    “The Chinese” = English-speaking blue checks (one of them with the totally Chinese name “Robert”) on Twitter?
    Somehow I doubt this indicates the imminent break-up of Russian-Chinese cooperation.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader

    It doesn't indicate such immediate thing, but the line of thought about why Chinese borders in Northern Asia also shouldn't look like 2-3 centuries ago, if history must inspire/rule that much in policy, is staying intact;)

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW

  748. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...It is one of the big ones who did it, for sure
     
    It is, but which one? Cui bono? Destroying NS locked Germany into an energy dependency on US and its allies...it also cost Germany-Austria $5 billion that they will never get back. Russia's loss of $5 billion is made up by the higher LNG prices for lower volumes. The big loser was German industry.

    The "yachts" and similar stories are distractions released to muddy up waters. Kiev and Poland don't have the guts to do anything not pre-approved. The fact that it is not investigated and the media has buried the story points westward.

    It doesn't matter - it was a physical manifestation of the strategic shift taking place anyway. There is a de facto war between Nato and Russia - in wars there are only two sides, so Germany was forced to do its part. What matters is who wins - as in the past the losing side will have catastrophic losers (Kiev), badly hurt losers (Germany, Poland, Balts...), and losers who walk away largely unscathed (Washington, maybe France, UK).

    The lesson is to never allow big guys to fight a war where you live.

    Replies: @LatW, @YetAnotherAnon

    The lesson is to never allow big guys to fight a war where you live.

    One needs an army for this (a large Euro army, and more nuclear warheads), something that the older EE generation didn’t manage to build (out of lack of desire, competence or simply lack of strength), diplomatic acrobatics and weak economic manipulations, do not suffice here.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...a large Euro army, and more nuclear warheads
     
    For what? There is not going to be a land war with Russia. If there is a war it will go nuclear and there are more than enough nukes already in US, Russia, UK, France. What would be more nukes for? To nuke the nuked regions? What difference would that make?

    It would be much better to stop the hysteria and the mad hatred of "Russians", be normal, live and let live. That means you don't order people to "Latvinize" their names and ban their schools. Would that be so hard? Was a Russian-speaking Donbas with autonomy inside Ukraine such a horrible thing? Now at best there will be a much smaller, poorer rump Ukraine and a lot of dead Ukies to mourn for.

    You can write a poem and go teary-eyed reading it to each other...good job, morons.

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW

  749. @German_reader
    @sudden death


    The first responses of the Chinese to Putin’s interview.
     
    "The Chinese" = English-speaking blue checks (one of them with the totally Chinese name "Robert") on Twitter?
    Somehow I doubt this indicates the imminent break-up of Russian-Chinese cooperation.

    Replies: @sudden death

    It doesn’t indicate such immediate thing, but the line of thought about why Chinese borders in Northern Asia also shouldn’t look like 2-3 centuries ago, if history must inspire/rule that much in policy, is staying intact;)

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death

    In principle there might certainly be potential for friction between Russia and China (like there was in the later states of the Cold War), but for the foreseeable future they're united in opposition to US hegemony. US foreign policy over the last 30 years has really succeeded brilliantly in creating a coalition of anti-hegemonic states that otherwise wouldn't all have that much in common and have even historically been enemies (similar dynamics with Iran). The neocon-like approach you seem to favour (military means and sanctions) is unlikely to change that situation.

    , @LatW
    @sudden death

    It looks like this interview will have a life of its own, regardless of the great intentions of its brilliant planners. :)

    Btw, the Chinese will not openly state how they feel (they can be quite reserved), but these little tidbits are a good indicator of how quite a few of them must feel. The Chinese, even the ones in China, not just the West, typically have two names - one Chinese, one Western. This is very common.

  750. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @German_reader

    It doesn't indicate such immediate thing, but the line of thought about why Chinese borders in Northern Asia also shouldn't look like 2-3 centuries ago, if history must inspire/rule that much in policy, is staying intact;)

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW

    In principle there might certainly be potential for friction between Russia and China (like there was in the later states of the Cold War), but for the foreseeable future they’re united in opposition to US hegemony. US foreign policy over the last 30 years has really succeeded brilliantly in creating a coalition of anti-hegemonic states that otherwise wouldn’t all have that much in common and have even historically been enemies (similar dynamics with Iran). The neocon-like approach you seem to favour (military means and sanctions) is unlikely to change that situation.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  751. @sudden death
    @German_reader

    It doesn't indicate such immediate thing, but the line of thought about why Chinese borders in Northern Asia also shouldn't look like 2-3 centuries ago, if history must inspire/rule that much in policy, is staying intact;)

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW

    It looks like this interview will have a life of its own, regardless of the great intentions of its brilliant planners. 🙂

    Btw, the Chinese will not openly state how they feel (they can be quite reserved), but these little tidbits are a good indicator of how quite a few of them must feel. The Chinese, even the ones in China, not just the West, typically have two names – one Chinese, one Western. This is very common.

  752. @sudden death
    To give Putin credit, this time he actually quite truthfully implied that all that RF propjunk nonsense about NATO/US threat is very secondary in importance for him while trying to delete UA from the map;)

    Again the most remarkable thing in this is the quality of the advice Putin is getting.

    The sundered triune Russian nation narrative is for Russians.

    The NATO expansion and unisex toilets stuff is for American rightoids.

    But he somehow managed to mix them up!?
     

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GF6VUNcXsAA7eWq.jpg

    https://twitter.com/nooceleration/status/1755995415709622701

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @QCIC

    The sundered triune Russian nation narrative is for Russians.

    Three cheers for Karlin. He needs to be applauded for some serious progress in his thinking here. At one time I would chide him for his strong attachment to these sorts of precepts. He’s evolving and able to overcome his long cherished Russian nationalistic views, this is more than I can say about many of the hardcorp sovok types that still show up here everyday.

    • LOL: German_reader
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Mr. Hack

    imho he truly didn't overcome it, just soured when watching unexpectedly (for him) clumsy triune dream executive struggle in reality, which he got delivered from the chimpanzee gang in Kremlin;)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack

    How much of a cretin are you? I would suspect Karlin is thinking about this from the perspective of how ungrateful these people are - not the fact that ethnically and culturally and historically these are factually the same people.

    Anyway, this is different to your dimwit cartoons, but just as unoriginal as I saw it quoted on Runet:

    "Ukrainianism" (the psychiatric disease not a national movement) symptoms are:

    They worship Europeans
    Work for Jews
    Die for Americans
    So that they can hate Russians


    And in this freakshow, outside of the sadism these wakjobs still remain completely Russian in manner, personality, language and culture!

    Even ukrainian f**kups have been talking that the name of the country should be renamed "Ukraina Rus"

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

  753. @Mr. Hack
    @sudden death


    The sundered triune Russian nation narrative is for Russians.
     
    Three cheers for Karlin. He needs to be applauded for some serious progress in his thinking here. At one time I would chide him for his strong attachment to these sorts of precepts. He's evolving and able to overcome his long cherished Russian nationalistic views, this is more than I can say about many of the hardcorp sovok types that still show up here everyday.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Gerard1234

    imho he truly didn’t overcome it, just soured when watching unexpectedly (for him) clumsy triune dream executive struggle in reality, which he got delivered from the chimpanzee gang in Kremlin;)

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @sudden death

    I thought that he's renounced nationalism in favor of something that is more sociologically amorphous?

    Replies: @sudden death

  754. German_reader says:
    @Sher Singh
    @German_reader

    We can make a telegram & keep the retardation out.

    Signal also works since people dislike discord.

    The political discussion on here is at the level of celebrity gossip.
    It was already bad before the hot war began.

    It drowns out any other topic & a lot people would come back/join a new platform.
    Even Silvio

    Replies: @German_reader

    The political discussion on here is at the level of celebrity gossip.

    True enough. I don’t think I’m motivated to go on Telegram though (probably should give up on internet commenting anyway, pointless after all). But thanks for the suggestion.

    Even Silvio

    iirc he implied that he’s busy with some sort of sexual relationship.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @German_reader

    https://twitter.com/51khR3nai55nce/status/1756170304416841843?s=20

    Thoughts?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Coconuts, @Emil Nikola Richard

  755. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...It is one of the big ones who did it, for sure
     
    It is, but which one? Cui bono? Destroying NS locked Germany into an energy dependency on US and its allies...it also cost Germany-Austria $5 billion that they will never get back. Russia's loss of $5 billion is made up by the higher LNG prices for lower volumes. The big loser was German industry.

    The "yachts" and similar stories are distractions released to muddy up waters. Kiev and Poland don't have the guts to do anything not pre-approved. The fact that it is not investigated and the media has buried the story points westward.

    It doesn't matter - it was a physical manifestation of the strategic shift taking place anyway. There is a de facto war between Nato and Russia - in wars there are only two sides, so Germany was forced to do its part. What matters is who wins - as in the past the losing side will have catastrophic losers (Kiev), badly hurt losers (Germany, Poland, Balts...), and losers who walk away largely unscathed (Washington, maybe France, UK).

    The lesson is to never allow big guys to fight a war where you live.

    Replies: @LatW, @YetAnotherAnon

    The UK is losing badly, though maybe not as badly as Germany.

    Admittedly some of this – quite a lot, actually – is self-inflicted.

    UK government energy policy is suicidally stupid.

    Management Summary

    UK government plans to double UK electricity production, to power all our Chinese electric cars, Chinese heat pumps, Chinese/Indian electric arc furnaces, and Chinese electronic goods.

    TL, DR version

    They want to stop using coal and oil, which in the rest of the world are being burned at record levels – replacing oil and gas heating by electric heat pumps, mostly made in the countries burning coal and oil. They also want Brits to drive electric cars – again mostly made in coal-burning China – Tesla 3s from Shanghai, MGs and Polestars from China.

    But…

    a) houses aren’t insulated well enough for heat pumps, and radiators and pipes will need replacing – huge job, involving more than half the UK housing stock.

    b) this implies a DOUBLING of electricity generation, which also implies a huge new network of power lines all over our formerly green and not so pleasant land. The existing network was built from the old coal power stations, mostly closed down.

    c) the government tied themselves a decade ago to France’s EDF, whose next-gen nuclear reactors (which were going to save both countries – but France have a much larger installed base) are alas crap, way behind schedule and way over cost. Just to add to their issues, the le Creusot Forge who make all the steel pressure vessels turned out to have been fiddling their quality control figures since 1965!

    So UK energy policy is going to hit the buffers big time.

    You’d think the UK government had been controlled since 1979 by foreigners who hate the British people. It would certainly explain our trajectory.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @YetAnotherAnon


    You’d think the UK government had been controlled since 1979 by foreigners who hate the British people.
     
    Were Thatcher and Major that bad (at least compared with what came after 1997)?
    Sounds like the issues with energy policy in Britain are very similar to Germany's. Just farcical.

    They also want Brits to drive electric cars
     
    Reality is cars will become luxury products for the "elite", not for plebs (and yes, they'll be Chinese-made...). Same with owning your own house/apartment (since the costs of all that insulation, heat pumps are prohibitively expensive, plus there's all that pressure from mass immigration). A bit maybe like in the old Eastern bloc, just infinitely worse, since on top of that you get demographic replacement and systematic dismantlement of the nation.

    Replies: @Beckow

  756. German_reader says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    @Beckow

    The UK is losing badly, though maybe not as badly as Germany.

    Admittedly some of this - quite a lot, actually - is self-inflicted.

    UK government energy policy is suicidally stupid.

    Management Summary

    UK government plans to double UK electricity production, to power all our Chinese electric cars, Chinese heat pumps, Chinese/Indian electric arc furnaces, and Chinese electronic goods.

    TL, DR version

    They want to stop using coal and oil, which in the rest of the world are being burned at record levels – replacing oil and gas heating by electric heat pumps, mostly made in the countries burning coal and oil. They also want Brits to drive electric cars – again mostly made in coal-burning China – Tesla 3s from Shanghai, MGs and Polestars from China.

    But…

    a) houses aren’t insulated well enough for heat pumps, and radiators and pipes will need replacing – huge job, involving more than half the UK housing stock.

    b) this implies a DOUBLING of electricity generation, which also implies a huge new network of power lines all over our formerly green and not so pleasant land. The existing network was built from the old coal power stations, mostly closed down.

    c) the government tied themselves a decade ago to France’s EDF, whose next-gen nuclear reactors (which were going to save both countries - but France have a much larger installed base) are alas crap, way behind schedule and way over cost. Just to add to their issues, the le Creusot Forge who make all the steel pressure vessels turned out to have been fiddling their quality control figures since 1965!

    So UK energy policy is going to hit the buffers big time.

    You’d think the UK government had been controlled since 1979 by foreigners who hate the British people. It would certainly explain our trajectory.

    Replies: @German_reader

    You’d think the UK government had been controlled since 1979 by foreigners who hate the British people.

    Were Thatcher and Major that bad (at least compared with what came after 1997)?
    Sounds like the issues with energy policy in Britain are very similar to Germany’s. Just farcical.

    They also want Brits to drive electric cars

    Reality is cars will become luxury products for the “elite”, not for plebs (and yes, they’ll be Chinese-made…). Same with owning your own house/apartment (since the costs of all that insulation, heat pumps are prohibitively expensive, plus there’s all that pressure from mass immigration). A bit maybe like in the old Eastern bloc, just infinitely worse, since on top of that you get demographic replacement and systematic dismantlement of the nation.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...cars will become luxury products for the “elite"... Same with owning your own house/apartment
     
    There are too many cars - there can never be enough room for all of them. The elite people suffer when trying to move around, so of course they have to fix it.

    The value of housing is today often more than the money one can earn and save by working all life. That undermines work ethic - if you own a house the work is almost marginal, and if you don't, you mostly just work for housing.

    It is the modern equivalent of food insecurity in the 18th century and is very destabilizing. But nobody knows how to fix it - asset pyramids are hard to dismantle, there are too many beneficiaries who would lose.

  757. @German_reader
    @Coconuts

    I'm anti-Western myself (well, more like anti-American tbh), but I agree, that fake anti-imperialism by AnonfromTN, Beckow et al. is just nauseatingly tiresome. As if the Soviets hadn't supported plenty of trule vile people in the 3rd world themselves who were responsible for all manner of mass atrocities.
    Those Soviet boomer talking points really are just the mirror image of the ideology dominating the West, not a true alternative.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    As if the Soviets hadn’t supported plenty of trule vile people in the 3rd world themselves who were responsible for all manner of mass atrocities.

    Nonsense. Every single leader in Africa, Asia and South America that went pro-Soviet – western scum intelligence services tried to destroy them immediately , and especially the entire country through wars and economic blockades if it could be an initiator of removing the pro-Soviet from power.

    Soviets “crime” is the exact opposite – passivity with very complex internal situations in those countries, supporting any incumbent government (if Marxist or geopolitically pro-Soviet) to keep stability in the country.

    Sadat of Egypt went Anti-soviet and reversed direction on Israel……..and the Soviets didn’t do anything to him or his regime

    What exactly happened to China when there was the fracture with USSR?

    How many Bay of Pigs equivalent from USSR?

    Not too much happened in Chile or Argentina (comparatively) after US-created coups against elected governments. OK – there are other countries where the list isn’t perfect, but the general trend I am talking about is correct. US tries to create chaos to get what they want, USSR struggles to get any stable country outside of Europe.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Gerard1234


    How many Bay of Pigs equivalent from USSR?
     
    Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979.
    Granted, one can argue that Soviets just wanted to prevent the local communists from taking destabilizing actions, and many of the people Soviets fought there were primitive swine (murdering female teachers etc.), but still, it was a pretty drastic intervention.
  758. @sudden death
    @Mr. Hack

    imho he truly didn't overcome it, just soured when watching unexpectedly (for him) clumsy triune dream executive struggle in reality, which he got delivered from the chimpanzee gang in Kremlin;)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I thought that he’s renounced nationalism in favor of something that is more sociologically amorphous?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Mr. Hack

    Strictly on paper yes, but IIRC correctly he openly stated once he going to do it as sort of protest/ tongue in cheek type/performance art like some obscure RF artist around 90's after the fall of USSR who went into street naked to act and bark as chained dog once, lol

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  759. @Mr. Hack
    @sudden death


    The sundered triune Russian nation narrative is for Russians.
     
    Three cheers for Karlin. He needs to be applauded for some serious progress in his thinking here. At one time I would chide him for his strong attachment to these sorts of precepts. He's evolving and able to overcome his long cherished Russian nationalistic views, this is more than I can say about many of the hardcorp sovok types that still show up here everyday.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Gerard1234

    How much of a cretin are you? I would suspect Karlin is thinking about this from the perspective of how ungrateful these people are – not the fact that ethnically and culturally and historically these are factually the same people.

    Anyway, this is different to your dimwit cartoons, but just as unoriginal as I saw it quoted on Runet:

    “Ukrainianism” (the psychiatric disease not a national movement) symptoms are:

    They worship Europeans
    Work for Jews
    Die for Americans
    So that they can hate Russians

    And in this freakshow, outside of the sadism these wakjobs still remain completely Russian in manner, personality, language and culture!

    Even ukrainian f**kups have been talking that the name of the country should be renamed “Ukraina Rus”

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234

    What ya gonna do? Even dumb Ukrainian sovoks understand that:

    https://pictures.abebooks.com/isbn/9785941170753-us.jpg

    Karlin has changed, Kuchma too, there's still hope for you my Russian brother! :-)

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    , @A123
    @Gerard1234


    “Ukrainianism” (the psychiatric disease not a national movement) symptoms are:

    They worship Europeans
    Work for Jews
    Die for Americans
    So that they can hate Russians
     
    What? Surely you jest. The Veggie-In-Chief's administration is a joke. Every country in the world ignores the incompetent and illegitimate American regime.

    Try this instead:

    They worship Europeans
    Work for Islamophiles
    Loathe Jews with neo-Nazi passion
    Die for Scholz and Macron
    So that they can hate Russians


    If Europeans are ever to fix their problems, they will have to face the fact that they are suffering from self inflicted wounds. Especially the disastrous, authoritarian EU.

    PEACE 😇
  760. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack

    How much of a cretin are you? I would suspect Karlin is thinking about this from the perspective of how ungrateful these people are - not the fact that ethnically and culturally and historically these are factually the same people.

    Anyway, this is different to your dimwit cartoons, but just as unoriginal as I saw it quoted on Runet:

    "Ukrainianism" (the psychiatric disease not a national movement) symptoms are:

    They worship Europeans
    Work for Jews
    Die for Americans
    So that they can hate Russians


    And in this freakshow, outside of the sadism these wakjobs still remain completely Russian in manner, personality, language and culture!

    Even ukrainian f**kups have been talking that the name of the country should be renamed "Ukraina Rus"

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    What ya gonna do? Even dumb Ukrainian sovoks understand that:

    Karlin has changed, Kuchma too, there’s still hope for you my Russian brother! 🙂

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack

    "Ukraine is not Russia"...........written in Russian...........but the then President of this loser, fake country.

    Where do you want me to start with this farce Mr Hack you dimwit?!!
    Do Presidents of normal, non-fake countries usually have time to write this drivel, in Russian? He almost certainly didn't write it - just a promotion of US/Canadian banderatard fake history nonsense........which is based on those Russian liberast historians of the 19th century I mentioned in previous post - Milyukov, Klyuchevsky, Kostomarov.

    The theory that Ukraine IS Russia is the only reason northern Bukovina is now part of 404, after Soviets took if from Romania - aren't I correct about your homeland??!!! LOL
    Same applies to the expulsion of Romanians from there.

    "Ukraina" as you know means edge of Russia.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  761. @Mr. Hack
    @sudden death

    I thought that he's renounced nationalism in favor of something that is more sociologically amorphous?

    Replies: @sudden death

    Strictly on paper yes, but IIRC correctly he openly stated once he going to do it as sort of protest/ tongue in cheek type/performance art like some obscure RF artist around 90’s after the fall of USSR who went into street naked to act and bark as chained dog once, lol

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @sudden death

    It's a shame, I thought that he had managed to come over to our side?...

    https://e3.365dm.com/22/10/1600x900/skynews-nafo-ukraine_5943976.jpg?20221026091546

  762. German_reader says:
    @Gerard1234
    @German_reader


    As if the Soviets hadn’t supported plenty of trule vile people in the 3rd world themselves who were responsible for all manner of mass atrocities.
     
    Nonsense. Every single leader in Africa, Asia and South America that went pro-Soviet - western scum intelligence services tried to destroy them immediately , and especially the entire country through wars and economic blockades if it could be an initiator of removing the pro-Soviet from power.

    Soviets "crime" is the exact opposite - passivity with very complex internal situations in those countries, supporting any incumbent government (if Marxist or geopolitically pro-Soviet) to keep stability in the country.

    Sadat of Egypt went Anti-soviet and reversed direction on Israel........and the Soviets didn't do anything to him or his regime

    What exactly happened to China when there was the fracture with USSR?

    How many Bay of Pigs equivalent from USSR?

    Not too much happened in Chile or Argentina (comparatively) after US-created coups against elected governments. OK - there are other countries where the list isn't perfect, but the general trend I am talking about is correct. US tries to create chaos to get what they want, USSR struggles to get any stable country outside of Europe.

    Replies: @German_reader

    How many Bay of Pigs equivalent from USSR?

    Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979.
    Granted, one can argue that Soviets just wanted to prevent the local communists from taking destabilizing actions, and many of the people Soviets fought there were primitive swine (murdering female teachers etc.), but still, it was a pretty drastic intervention.

  763. @sudden death
    @Mr. Hack

    Strictly on paper yes, but IIRC correctly he openly stated once he going to do it as sort of protest/ tongue in cheek type/performance art like some obscure RF artist around 90's after the fall of USSR who went into street naked to act and bark as chained dog once, lol

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    It’s a shame, I thought that he had managed to come over to our side?…

  764. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack

    How much of a cretin are you? I would suspect Karlin is thinking about this from the perspective of how ungrateful these people are - not the fact that ethnically and culturally and historically these are factually the same people.

    Anyway, this is different to your dimwit cartoons, but just as unoriginal as I saw it quoted on Runet:

    "Ukrainianism" (the psychiatric disease not a national movement) symptoms are:

    They worship Europeans
    Work for Jews
    Die for Americans
    So that they can hate Russians


    And in this freakshow, outside of the sadism these wakjobs still remain completely Russian in manner, personality, language and culture!

    Even ukrainian f**kups have been talking that the name of the country should be renamed "Ukraina Rus"

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    “Ukrainianism” (the psychiatric disease not a national movement) symptoms are:

    They worship Europeans
    Work for Jews
    Die for Americans
    So that they can hate Russians

    What? Surely you jest. The Veggie-In-Chief’s administration is a joke. Every country in the world ignores the incompetent and illegitimate American regime.

    Try this instead:

    They worship Europeans
    Work for Islamophiles
    Loathe Jews with neo-Nazi passion
    Die for Scholz and Macron
    So that they can hate Russians

    If Europeans are ever to fix their problems, they will have to face the fact that they are suffering from self inflicted wounds. Especially the disastrous, authoritarian EU.

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: Gerard1234
  765. @YetAnotherAnon
    @QCIC

    OTOH they do have very good ejector seats.

    https://www.blackblot.com/tale-of-two-russian-jets


    At about 1,000 feet (300 meters) a mid-air collision occurred due to a combination of adverse weather conditions, faulty design of the flight plan (parallel loop), and human pilot error. Both aircraft were completely destroyed with Tresvyatsky's jet losing a wing and Beschastnov's jet effectively broken in two.

    Both pilots reacted instantaneously and ejected almost immediately as if automatically, which further confirmed the notion the western world had of the "Russian robotic pilot". Both pilots landed safely on parachutes and both struck jets crashed in unpopulated areas. Nobody was injured.

    Western aviation experts were amazed at how the ejection seats had successfully handled the very complex ejection situations that the two Russian pilots had encountered. Tresvyatsky had ejected while the airplane was inverted (aka "punch-down") and Beschastnov had ejected while his MiG-29 was in vertigo (simultaneously spinning on all its three axes of movement – vertical, lateral, horizontal).

    Aside from the superb and amazing fast reactions of both pilots, recognition eventually set in that it was a truly remarkable product that saved the lives of the two Russian pilots – the Zvezda K-36D ejection seat.

     

    https://www.blackblot.com/files/images/mig29/mig29_02.jpg

    Replies: @QCIC

    Yes. Their fame started at the 1989 Paris Air Show.

    Thanks for the link.

  766. @Another Polish Perspective
    @Sher Singh

    So not just the English, Russians, and Americans, but martial Sikhs too were repeatedly defeated by Afghans..?!

    I would say Afghans do not get credit which they deserve.

    Replies: @songbird, @Sher Singh, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Most history newbies don’t give Poles enough credit, and thought you guys “charged on horseback against German tanks” and got rolled over in a month. What a pathetic, hapless people.

    They they learned about Poland was up to before that, and all the plumber and light bulb jokes start to make sense.

  767. @LatW
    @Beckow


    The lesson is to never allow big guys to fight a war where you live.
     
    One needs an army for this (a large Euro army, and more nuclear warheads), something that the older EE generation didn't manage to build (out of lack of desire, competence or simply lack of strength), diplomatic acrobatics and weak economic manipulations, do not suffice here.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …a large Euro army, and more nuclear warheads

    For what? There is not going to be a land war with Russia. If there is a war it will go nuclear and there are more than enough nukes already in US, Russia, UK, France. What would be more nukes for? To nuke the nuked regions? What difference would that make?

    It would be much better to stop the hysteria and the mad hatred of “Russians”, be normal, live and let live. That means you don’t order people to “Latvinize” their names and ban their schools. Would that be so hard? Was a Russian-speaking Donbas with autonomy inside Ukraine such a horrible thing? Now at best there will be a much smaller, poorer rump Ukraine and a lot of dead Ukies to mourn for.

    You can write a poem and go teary-eyed reading it to each other…good job, morons.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow


    For what? There is not going to be a land war with Russia. If there is a war it will go nuclear and there are more than enough nukes already in US, Russia, UK, France.
     
    For deterrence and for ensuring one's own sovereignty. As for nukes, France is the only European country with an independent nuclear force. Britain's nukes are dependent on American missiles, subservience to the US is locked into that arrangement. What do you think, why has the US always been keen on preventing its allies from getting nukes and why has it promoted the non-proliferation treaty?
    If "Europe" (in whatever form, personally I've become very skeptical about anything beyond a core grouping that goes much beyond the original European community, and even that is a stretch) were ever to be a truly independent actor, of course one would have to maintain serious military forces, including nuclear weapons. Not for the kind of things the Americans do (like their forever wars in the Mideast and their aspirations to global hegemony), but for keeping foreign interference out from our own sphere and defending our own vital interests.
    But of course, exceedingly unlikely to happen, certainly not with the kind of "elites" we now have.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @LatW
    @Beckow


    It would be much better to stop the hysteria and the mad hatred of “Russians”, be normal
     
    Even if the Russians weren't a threat, at this point this goes much further than that. There are now North Korean missiles firing at Kharkiv, killing civilians there (the US are pretending not to notice, I guess).

    Replies: @Beckow

  768. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    Could Ukraine see it? Was the entire interview on uncensored twitter in Ukraine?

    Replies: @LatW, @AnonfromTN

    Could Ukraine see it? Was the entire interview on uncensored twitter in Ukraine?

    Don’t know. Can ask relatives who live there. Will tell you if I get an answer.

    I guess that the regime would do everything to censor it out. However, many Ukraine residents use various means to bypass draconian regime censorship. E.g., many in Ukraine communicate via Russian social network VK, which is officially prohibited by the regime.

  769. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    Sabotage against Russia, for sure, but against Germany?
     
    Blowing up another country's energy infrastructure with the objective of influencing/constraining its policy choices is an act of war, as I wrote above no question it could be used to invoke NATO's Article 5 (in theory...).
    Not going to pretend otherwise, it makes me rather unsympathetic to arguments how unacceptable the Minsk agreements were for Ukraine, because they limited Ukrainian sovereignty or whatever.

    I’m impressed with Ukraine’s stealth and competence in pulling something like this off, so successfully.
     
    Ukraine will still lose the war on present trends, and since Germany is already on the path to deindustrialization, good luck with finding someone else who's going to pay for the reconstruction of what's left of Ukraine. I suppose you can ask the Polish "brothers" or start lobbying your congressman in Arizona, I'm sure they'll still care deeply about Ukraine when it's no longer about killing Russians (lol).

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Japan will take major part, just like they’ve been Ukraine’s biggest financial supporter apart from US and UK.

    Over 30 Ukrainian companies to visit Japan for reconstruction conference

    Leading private energy company DTEK seeks collaboration in renewables

    PARIS/FRANKFURT, Germany — More than 30 Ukrainian companies are expected to visit Japan to attend a conference in Tokyo this month that will focus on rebuilding Ukraine’s economy.

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Ukraine-war/Over-30-Ukrainian-companies-to-visit-Japan-for-reconstruction-conference

    I’m they don’t appreciate being lumped together as “Asiatics”, as some of the Ukrainian bros often do.

    Just like Germans wouldn’t appreciate being lumped together with Poles, Armenians and American wignat trash.

  770. How many years were humans and Neanderthals living co-locally in Europe compared to Amerinds and Pseudo-Andamanese in the Americas?

    I vaguely feel like the Amerinds must have punched down pretty quickly into the tip of South America – much, much quicker than humans rolled the Neanderthals in Europe. But perhaps it would be hard to say anything definite about Brazil?

    Anyway, it is quite curious how Neanderthals and humans seemed to have lived co-locally in Europe for several thousand years. How on Earth did Neanderthals survive arrows? Tree cover during the Ice Age?

  771. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...a large Euro army, and more nuclear warheads
     
    For what? There is not going to be a land war with Russia. If there is a war it will go nuclear and there are more than enough nukes already in US, Russia, UK, France. What would be more nukes for? To nuke the nuked regions? What difference would that make?

    It would be much better to stop the hysteria and the mad hatred of "Russians", be normal, live and let live. That means you don't order people to "Latvinize" their names and ban their schools. Would that be so hard? Was a Russian-speaking Donbas with autonomy inside Ukraine such a horrible thing? Now at best there will be a much smaller, poorer rump Ukraine and a lot of dead Ukies to mourn for.

    You can write a poem and go teary-eyed reading it to each other...good job, morons.

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW

    For what? There is not going to be a land war with Russia. If there is a war it will go nuclear and there are more than enough nukes already in US, Russia, UK, France.

    For deterrence and for ensuring one’s own sovereignty. As for nukes, France is the only European country with an independent nuclear force. Britain’s nukes are dependent on American missiles, subservience to the US is locked into that arrangement. What do you think, why has the US always been keen on preventing its allies from getting nukes and why has it promoted the non-proliferation treaty?
    If “Europe” (in whatever form, personally I’ve become very skeptical about anything beyond a core grouping that goes much beyond the original European community, and even that is a stretch) were ever to be a truly independent actor, of course one would have to maintain serious military forces, including nuclear weapons. Not for the kind of things the Americans do (like their forever wars in the Mideast and their aspirations to global hegemony), but for keeping foreign interference out from our own sphere and defending our own vital interests.
    But of course, exceedingly unlikely to happen, certainly not with the kind of “elites” we now have.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...(Europe) would have to maintain serious military forces, including nuclear weapons. Not for the kind of things the Americans do
     
    How would that be any different from today's French nuclear weapons? It is the same.

    If a military doesn't do the "things that Americans do" it becomes rusty and useless. The Americans understand that, they are just running out of easy targets. (Where is Grenada or Dominican Republic when you need them?)

    How about no new military and stop provoking all around? Control the Euro borders, build a strong infrastructure and social state, work less - 20-30 hours seems about enough, allow smaller populations and tell the big guys to take it somewhere else...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @German_reader

  772. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    I have just watched it and you are right it was aimed at the higher brain activity people. It is the same stuff Putin, Lavrov...tell their Western partners. It wasn't scripted and there was no toxic Western-like PR. It was also distinctly non-radical. People who are winning don't need to shout and shock.


    Russians are now convinced that no Western government can do anything in good faith. That’s a relatively new development
     
    True and dangerous. The Western elites thought they were clever by lying, cheating, breaking promises and stretching the truth - it was an exhilarating high while it lasted, but in the long run it has made their position worse: they can't win wars and there is not enough trust to make a deal. That leaves losing and quietly moving on hoping that noone will notice. It is tragic that Ukies signed up for the madness, they will forever regret it. Under no scenario can future Ukraine be what it could have been.

    But BoJo&Co. will be fine, they will lie that they were misunderstood and they only meant to "express doubts"...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    The Western elites thought they were clever by lying, cheating, breaking promises and stretching the truth

    They just tried to cheat too many times. As American saying puts it, “fool me once – shame on you, fool me twice – shame on me”.

  773. @German_reader
    @YetAnotherAnon


    You’d think the UK government had been controlled since 1979 by foreigners who hate the British people.
     
    Were Thatcher and Major that bad (at least compared with what came after 1997)?
    Sounds like the issues with energy policy in Britain are very similar to Germany's. Just farcical.

    They also want Brits to drive electric cars
     
    Reality is cars will become luxury products for the "elite", not for plebs (and yes, they'll be Chinese-made...). Same with owning your own house/apartment (since the costs of all that insulation, heat pumps are prohibitively expensive, plus there's all that pressure from mass immigration). A bit maybe like in the old Eastern bloc, just infinitely worse, since on top of that you get demographic replacement and systematic dismantlement of the nation.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …cars will become luxury products for the “elite”… Same with owning your own house/apartment

    There are too many cars – there can never be enough room for all of them. The elite people suffer when trying to move around, so of course they have to fix it.

    The value of housing is today often more than the money one can earn and save by working all life. That undermines work ethic – if you own a house the work is almost marginal, and if you don’t, you mostly just work for housing.

    It is the modern equivalent of food insecurity in the 18th century and is very destabilizing. But nobody knows how to fix it – asset pyramids are hard to dismantle, there are too many beneficiaries who would lose.

  774. @sudden death
    https://i.postimg.cc/3RrQKc8N/Chinese-POV.jpg

    The first responses of the Chinese to Putin's interview.

    Moreover, mainland Chinese. And not some Taiwanese.

    Zichen Wang is a former XINHUA employee. He currently works at The Center for China and Globalization (CCG), a non-governmental think tank headquartered in Beijing.

    Robert Wu is the director of The BigOne Lab Advantage (internet analytics). The main office is also in Beijing.
     
    https://t.me/daokedao/31665

    Replies: @German_reader, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    PRC owes its existence to Soviets so any irredentism claim is exceeding flaky.

    It’s really Japan who’s bear the brunt of historical Russian aggression in East Asia– significantly through infiltration and subversion. Both the KMT and CCP came to existence as proto-“color revolutions” sponsored by Soviets. And there alot of this kind activity

    Operation Maki Mirage or Maki-Mirage (Russian: Маки-Мираж, tr. Maki-Mirazh)[1][2][3] was a Soviet intelligence operation that involved 1200 plus Soviet intelligence agent-officers, that is, spies of East Asian descent being sent to China (chiefly Manchuria), Korea and Manchukuo (existing and under Japanese rule to 1945) to perform intelligence gathering, “special tasks,” and disinformation.[4][5]

    In other areas, they would carry out acts of diversion or simply allow themselves to be caught (being arrested with false papers, and other kinds of actions attracting the attention of authorities) while allowing those who were sent to carry out the “special tasks,” a much higher chance of succeeding and escaping. (“Special tasks” refers to the hard, punitive or murderous actions carried out by OGPU/NKVD agents). But the Japanese, Chinese and Tsarist Whites (including sub-groups of Monarchists, Russian Fascists, etc.) in Manchuria had very little knowledge about one hidden layer of operational deception and that was the employment of hundreds of East Asian agents in Soviet intelligence,

    The “Maki” (Маки) in “Maki-Mirage” (Маки-Мираж) is a shortening of “Makaki” (Макаки) meaning “macaques” (monkeys). This was a derogatory chauvinist/racist trope against the Japanese. While the origin was purportedly from the Japanese intervention in the Russian civil war, the usage of this trope dated back much further, as shown by this image from the Russian Empire satirical magazine Budilnik, 1904. The turn of the 20th century was a time when the Yellow Peril trope was propagandized heavily.[53][54]: 49 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maki_Mirage

  775. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...a large Euro army, and more nuclear warheads
     
    For what? There is not going to be a land war with Russia. If there is a war it will go nuclear and there are more than enough nukes already in US, Russia, UK, France. What would be more nukes for? To nuke the nuked regions? What difference would that make?

    It would be much better to stop the hysteria and the mad hatred of "Russians", be normal, live and let live. That means you don't order people to "Latvinize" their names and ban their schools. Would that be so hard? Was a Russian-speaking Donbas with autonomy inside Ukraine such a horrible thing? Now at best there will be a much smaller, poorer rump Ukraine and a lot of dead Ukies to mourn for.

    You can write a poem and go teary-eyed reading it to each other...good job, morons.

    Replies: @German_reader, @LatW

    It would be much better to stop the hysteria and the mad hatred of “Russians”, be normal

    Even if the Russians weren’t a threat, at this point this goes much further than that. There are now North Korean missiles firing at Kharkiv, killing civilians there (the US are pretending not to notice, I guess).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW

    There are American, French and UK missiles firing at Belgorod, Donetsk, Crimea...War is hell and who made what makes little difference, all rules are broken.

    This is hysteria that doesn't help Europe one bit, why not stop? If it is true that the Ukie population is anti-Russian then keeping the territories will be a poison pill for Russia. They can't sit on their bayonets and occupy hostile territory - just like the US had to leave Afghanistan and Iraq.

    But your real worry is that Donbas and the other regions there are not really anti-Russian. Why then the crazy anti-Russian policies post-Maidan? It looks like it will end in a complete disaster for Nato and its Kiev friends - the only question is how many dead will it take.

    Replies: @LatW

  776. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    For what? There is not going to be a land war with Russia. If there is a war it will go nuclear and there are more than enough nukes already in US, Russia, UK, France.
     
    For deterrence and for ensuring one's own sovereignty. As for nukes, France is the only European country with an independent nuclear force. Britain's nukes are dependent on American missiles, subservience to the US is locked into that arrangement. What do you think, why has the US always been keen on preventing its allies from getting nukes and why has it promoted the non-proliferation treaty?
    If "Europe" (in whatever form, personally I've become very skeptical about anything beyond a core grouping that goes much beyond the original European community, and even that is a stretch) were ever to be a truly independent actor, of course one would have to maintain serious military forces, including nuclear weapons. Not for the kind of things the Americans do (like their forever wars in the Mideast and their aspirations to global hegemony), but for keeping foreign interference out from our own sphere and defending our own vital interests.
    But of course, exceedingly unlikely to happen, certainly not with the kind of "elites" we now have.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …(Europe) would have to maintain serious military forces, including nuclear weapons. Not for the kind of things the Americans do

    How would that be any different from today’s French nuclear weapons? It is the same.

    If a military doesn’t do the “things that Americans do” it becomes rusty and useless. The Americans understand that, they are just running out of easy targets. (Where is Grenada or Dominican Republic when you need them?)

    How about no new military and stop provoking all around? Control the Euro borders, build a strong infrastructure and social state, work less – 20-30 hours seems about enough, allow smaller populations and tell the big guys to take it somewhere else…

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    How about no new military and stop provoking all around? Control the Euro borders, build a strong infrastructure and social state, work less – 20-30 hours seems about enough, allow smaller populations and tell the big guys to take it somewhere else…
     
    Sound advice, but… To do these things you have to be independent. The EU and UK are anything but.

    Vassals cannot act in their own interests, they have to act in the interests of their suzerain. That’s the definition of being a vassal.

    Replies: @AP

    , @German_reader
    @Beckow


    How would that be any different from today’s French nuclear weapons?
     
    French nuclear weapons only cover France. Ideally there would be some sort of common European deterrent. But of course the political obstacles are immense, so it's not very likely.
    And no, you don't need the kind of military the Americans have, with global reach, ability to bomb other continents etc., just enough for credible deterrence (and maybe the occasional anti-piracy operation, where one can cooperate with other powers for common interests).

    tell the big guys to take it somewhere else…
     
    You can only do that when you've got the military force to threaten them with painful consequences (and I'm not just thinking of Russia here, but also the other great powers, also middle-ranking powers in Europe's neighborhood like Turkey). Otherwise you're always dependent on others and will be an object of foreign machinations, not a subject. But as I wrote above, as it looks now, this is all fantasy anyway. Change would require a revolutionary change in mentality.

    Replies: @Beckow

  777. @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...(Europe) would have to maintain serious military forces, including nuclear weapons. Not for the kind of things the Americans do
     
    How would that be any different from today's French nuclear weapons? It is the same.

    If a military doesn't do the "things that Americans do" it becomes rusty and useless. The Americans understand that, they are just running out of easy targets. (Where is Grenada or Dominican Republic when you need them?)

    How about no new military and stop provoking all around? Control the Euro borders, build a strong infrastructure and social state, work less - 20-30 hours seems about enough, allow smaller populations and tell the big guys to take it somewhere else...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @German_reader

    How about no new military and stop provoking all around? Control the Euro borders, build a strong infrastructure and social state, work less – 20-30 hours seems about enough, allow smaller populations and tell the big guys to take it somewhere else…

    Sound advice, but… To do these things you have to be independent. The EU and UK are anything but.

    Vassals cannot act in their own interests, they have to act in the interests of their suzerain. That’s the definition of being a vassal.

    • Replies: @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Vassals cannot act in their own interests, they have to act in the interests of their suzerain. That’s the definition of being a vassal.
     
    The Russian mentality.

    In a feudal relationship, the suzerain is also obligated to take into account the needs of the vassal and to protect him. The relationship was mutual. If the suzerain failed to take care of the vassal, the vassal was free to find another.

    But Russian political culture only understands master and slave. The "vassal" must serve blindly - so, he s not really a vassal. Russia had a different political legacy.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

  778. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...(Europe) would have to maintain serious military forces, including nuclear weapons. Not for the kind of things the Americans do
     
    How would that be any different from today's French nuclear weapons? It is the same.

    If a military doesn't do the "things that Americans do" it becomes rusty and useless. The Americans understand that, they are just running out of easy targets. (Where is Grenada or Dominican Republic when you need them?)

    How about no new military and stop provoking all around? Control the Euro borders, build a strong infrastructure and social state, work less - 20-30 hours seems about enough, allow smaller populations and tell the big guys to take it somewhere else...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @German_reader

    How would that be any different from today’s French nuclear weapons?

    French nuclear weapons only cover France. Ideally there would be some sort of common European deterrent. But of course the political obstacles are immense, so it’s not very likely.
    And no, you don’t need the kind of military the Americans have, with global reach, ability to bomb other continents etc., just enough for credible deterrence (and maybe the occasional anti-piracy operation, where one can cooperate with other powers for common interests).

    tell the big guys to take it somewhere else…

    You can only do that when you’ve got the military force to threaten them with painful consequences (and I’m not just thinking of Russia here, but also the other great powers, also middle-ranking powers in Europe’s neighborhood like Turkey). Otherwise you’re always dependent on others and will be an object of foreign machinations, not a subject. But as I wrote above, as it looks now, this is all fantasy anyway. Change would require a revolutionary change in mentality.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...Change would require a revolutionary change in mentality.
     
    I agree, the way Europe is today it is impossible.

    What could trigger the change? The continent and its people seem in a daze, with no serious leaders around, obeying the masters across the Atlantic. Euros are governed by a corrupt, petty, slightly perverted and weak elites...If the large in-house migrant population was not there, one could imagine a traditional bottoms-up change with a new more dynamic people rising up...but the migrants dominate the urban lower classes and make it impossible. We know that if they rise up, it will just get worse.

    The dilemma of Brussels vs. national states is a distraction: there is not much difference between the two, the ruling class is the same. EU has some positive features that nobody wants to lose.

    It is a zugzwang...a situation where any move will only make it worse. In chess sometimes a simple pawn is able to upset the whole chessboard, that gives us hope. In the meantime having a designated satan-enemy in Russia is a convenient stopgap measure, a kind of a solution...all the scre...ed up things can be dismissed with "but Putin!"...we also see it here.

    Replies: @German_reader

  779. Putin’s proudly Jewish propagandist demands that pro-Russian bloggers (yes pro-Russian) be imprisoned for showing videos of the front. Yes actual videos and not fake ones. He wants to imprison Russian bloggers for showing reality.

    Another control freak that wants to lock down the internet even further for Russians.

    Gosh I still can’t figure out why the pro-Putin/anti-Jew force of Unz never mentions him.

    It’s like they forget to mention all these Jews that are associated with Putin.

    There must be some pattern I am missing. Maybe they don’t like his Dr. No jacket.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    I don't know the guy, but he looks better dressed than Zelko...

    Why do you focus on minutia? Is that the way you cope with the ongoing disaster for Kiev-Nato? This was a bad plan and it is costing a lot of Ukie lives (and Western treasure). It is not going to work, instead of watching irrelevant videos you should deal with the reality.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I would like to read more on the Jewish power aspects of this conflict in both Russia and Ukraine. Feel free to post something useful on the topic.

    In the recent Carlson interview Putin made an interesting comment related to Zelensky's father fighting the Nazis in WW2.

    You know full well that most governments control negative reports from the battlefield. This control is so standard your mention of it is silly.

  780. I feel like LatW wants to join the Kuomintang, but wouldn’t know where the nearest Taiwanese embassy is (Guatamala or Haiti, I assume), or who is in power now.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird

    I wonder what she supposes the US should do about those North Korean missiles. It's not like there are any economic sanctions left to impose on NK, and it's not a country one can just bomb. But a lot of the "discussions" here have this unreal quality.

    Replies: @songbird

  781. @Emil Nikola Richard
    The Kremlin website has posted a transcript of Tucker Carlson's interview of Vladimir Putin.

    http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/73411

    I searched but could not find where they talk about Taras Bulba. : (

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Taras_bulba.jpg

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. Hack, @QCIC

    Thanks for the link.

    The transcript is surprisingly brief. The conversation took a long time due to the double translation. Also Putin may have been talking slowly for the American audience.

    I think he was trying to reach Americans who are somewhat intelligent yet have bought into the simplistic and misleading MSM Ukraine narrative for whatever reason. His words may also get through to a few smarter liberals who know better and have simply latched on to a Russia bad/Ukraine narrative out of laziness. Who knows if either group has any influence on policy?

    I was surprised Tucker brought up Evan Gershkovich. Last time I checked this kid was self-evidently a spy.

  782. @John Johnson
    Putin's proudly Jewish propagandist demands that pro-Russian bloggers (yes pro-Russian) be imprisoned for showing videos of the front. Yes actual videos and not fake ones. He wants to imprison Russian bloggers for showing reality.

    https://youtu.be/ewic4hPrh-w?t=51

    Another control freak that wants to lock down the internet even further for Russians.

    Gosh I still can't figure out why the pro-Putin/anti-Jew force of Unz never mentions him.

    It's like they forget to mention all these Jews that are associated with Putin.

    There must be some pattern I am missing. Maybe they don't like his Dr. No jacket.

    https://img.pravda.com/images/doc/6/d/6db92ad-698a92c-f8d8ccc-solovjov690.jpg

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC

    I don’t know the guy, but he looks better dressed than Zelko…

    Why do you focus on minutia? Is that the way you cope with the ongoing disaster for Kiev-Nato? This was a bad plan and it is costing a lot of Ukie lives (and Western treasure). It is not going to work, instead of watching irrelevant videos you should deal with the reality.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Why do you focus on minutia? Is that the way you cope with the ongoing disaster for Kiev-Nato?

    Did you have an answer as to why the pro-Putin/anti-Jewish posters at Unz ignore Putin's Jews? Any theories on that? They seem unable to answer that question so maybe you can help them.

    I agree that the war is a disaster. The Russian military is the laughing stock of the world and Putin still hasn't taken Avdiivka despite starting the war with a 1:8 infantry advantage.

    Once again Putin is sending meat waves for a city that is already in ruins.

    Putin is here to liberate your life and destroy your home city.

    World is impressed.

    How about some video of liberated Bakhmut:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9fDOL87S1w

    So much better with Russian involvement.

    This was a bad plan and it is costing a lot of Ukie lives (and Western treasure).

    It was Putin's plan to have a 2.5 week special operation. Did you forget about that?

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC

  783. @LatW
    @Beckow


    It would be much better to stop the hysteria and the mad hatred of “Russians”, be normal
     
    Even if the Russians weren't a threat, at this point this goes much further than that. There are now North Korean missiles firing at Kharkiv, killing civilians there (the US are pretending not to notice, I guess).

    Replies: @Beckow

    There are American, French and UK missiles firing at Belgorod, Donetsk, Crimea…War is hell and who made what makes little difference, all rules are broken.

    This is hysteria that doesn’t help Europe one bit, why not stop? If it is true that the Ukie population is anti-Russian then keeping the territories will be a poison pill for Russia. They can’t sit on their bayonets and occupy hostile territory – just like the US had to leave Afghanistan and Iraq.

    But your real worry is that Donbas and the other regions there are not really anti-Russian. Why then the crazy anti-Russian policies post-Maidan? It looks like it will end in a complete disaster for Nato and its Kiev friends – the only question is how many dead will it take.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    If it is true that the Ukie population is anti-Russian then keeping the territories will be a poison pill for Russia.
     
    Why test on real human beings? Especially when it's clear that most don't want RusFed on their land in places such as Zapo and Kherson? In Donbas, what took place, was an ethnic cleansing - the pro-Ukrainians were cleansed from there - another thing that the world won't talk about.

    The issue is that the population is being ravaged (murdered and maimed), whole towns are being flattened, this is not only bad for the EU from the point of view of the neo-Sovok Russian plague approaching closer and closer, but also from the ethical point of view. But there is not much point in discussing it with you in particular, since you will just switch to "what about Beograd..". Whereas I'm arguing deeply from the selfish point of the EU. And maybe even overall global stability, since after this partition there will probably be temptation for many around the world to do the same, to solve their "problems"...

    Replies: @Beckow

  784. @John Johnson
    Putin's proudly Jewish propagandist demands that pro-Russian bloggers (yes pro-Russian) be imprisoned for showing videos of the front. Yes actual videos and not fake ones. He wants to imprison Russian bloggers for showing reality.

    https://youtu.be/ewic4hPrh-w?t=51

    Another control freak that wants to lock down the internet even further for Russians.

    Gosh I still can't figure out why the pro-Putin/anti-Jew force of Unz never mentions him.

    It's like they forget to mention all these Jews that are associated with Putin.

    There must be some pattern I am missing. Maybe they don't like his Dr. No jacket.

    https://img.pravda.com/images/doc/6/d/6db92ad-698a92c-f8d8ccc-solovjov690.jpg

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC

    I would like to read more on the Jewish power aspects of this conflict in both Russia and Ukraine. Feel free to post something useful on the topic.

    In the recent Carlson interview Putin made an interesting comment related to Zelensky’s father fighting the Nazis in WW2.

    You know full well that most governments control negative reports from the battlefield. This control is so standard your mention of it is silly.

  785. @songbird
    I feel like LatW wants to join the Kuomintang, but wouldn't know where the nearest Taiwanese embassy is (Guatamala or Haiti, I assume), or who is in power now.

    Replies: @German_reader

    I wonder what she supposes the US should do about those North Korean missiles. It’s not like there are any economic sanctions left to impose on NK, and it’s not a country one can just bomb. But a lot of the “discussions” here have this unreal quality.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    As I recall, the Norks do have a sort of H-bomb that was at least powerful enough to crack a mountain or something. Am a bit skeptical of their #MeToo claims of a nuclear tsunami torpedo, but who knows? Anyway, they have a pretty powerful conventional deterrent.

    But I really don't understand why some people seem to be promoting revanchism against nuclear powers, as though it is a latent impulse that needs only to be quickened in the hearts of millions.

    To be fair, I suppose there are multiple territorial desputes involving nuclear powers. But strategic cities changing hands? Or China allying with the US, when the US is intent on bottling it up? The CCP recognized those borders AFAIK, so it would delegitimze itself by questioning them.

    Replies: @sudden death

  786. @Beckow
    @LatW

    There are American, French and UK missiles firing at Belgorod, Donetsk, Crimea...War is hell and who made what makes little difference, all rules are broken.

    This is hysteria that doesn't help Europe one bit, why not stop? If it is true that the Ukie population is anti-Russian then keeping the territories will be a poison pill for Russia. They can't sit on their bayonets and occupy hostile territory - just like the US had to leave Afghanistan and Iraq.

    But your real worry is that Donbas and the other regions there are not really anti-Russian. Why then the crazy anti-Russian policies post-Maidan? It looks like it will end in a complete disaster for Nato and its Kiev friends - the only question is how many dead will it take.

    Replies: @LatW

    If it is true that the Ukie population is anti-Russian then keeping the territories will be a poison pill for Russia.

    Why test on real human beings? Especially when it’s clear that most don’t want RusFed on their land in places such as Zapo and Kherson? In Donbas, what took place, was an ethnic cleansing – the pro-Ukrainians were cleansed from there – another thing that the world won’t talk about.

    The issue is that the population is being ravaged (murdered and maimed), whole towns are being flattened, this is not only bad for the EU from the point of view of the neo-Sovok Russian plague approaching closer and closer, but also from the ethical point of view. But there is not much point in discussing it with you in particular, since you will just switch to “what about Beograd..”. Whereas I’m arguing deeply from the selfish point of the EU. And maybe even overall global stability, since after this partition there will probably be temptation for many around the world to do the same, to solve their “problems”…

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...after this partition there will probably be temptation for many around the world to do the same
     
    It has always been there, there is no 'after this'. You hate it when people remind you of the Nato attack on Serbia...the ethnic cleansing of Serbs and the 'partition'. But there is no way to walk away from it.

    It seems to me that in Ukraine the ethnic expulsions-departures have worked both ways, Ukies went to the centre-west, Russians probably left for Russia or moved to the Russian controlled regions. You have to hold the post-Maidan Kiev responsible for that - the slogans, discriminatory laws, massacres, bombing of Donbas...they broke the united Ukraine, no matter how imperfect and quarrelsome. It can't be put back together.

    Yours and the Euro elites' inability to admit it was a fatal mistake and criminal is the root of the problem. You talk only about one side's suffering - it is absurd, it won't get you anywhere. The West needs to admit that Kiev was wrong to bomb Donbas, to let Russians be murdered in Odessa, to ban the Russian language in schools...you don't seem capable of doing it. So it will end in a total defeat for your side...there is a high price to pay for acting irrationally and criminally against a more powerful enemy. But you seem stuck in your side's victimhood, it is a dead end.

    Replies: @LatW

  787. @sudden death
    To give Putin credit, this time he actually quite truthfully implied that all that RF propjunk nonsense about NATO/US threat is very secondary in importance for him while trying to delete UA from the map;)

    Again the most remarkable thing in this is the quality of the advice Putin is getting.

    The sundered triune Russian nation narrative is for Russians.

    The NATO expansion and unisex toilets stuff is for American rightoids.

    But he somehow managed to mix them up!?
     

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GF6VUNcXsAA7eWq.jpg

    https://twitter.com/nooceleration/status/1755995415709622701

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @QCIC

    Poor Anatoly, he tries to understand and cannot.

    He needs to destroy all of his devices and move to the frozen North. After living with the Chukotka for five years on seal meat and whale oil he may be able to see the big picture.

    A painful yet relevant snip from wiki:

    A Chukcha [‘Tolya’] applies for membership in the Union of Soviet Writers. He is asked what literature he is familiar with. “Have you read Pushkin?” “No.” “Have you read Dostoevsky?” “No.” “Can you read at all?” The Chukcha, offended, replies, “Chukcha not reader, Chukcha writer!”

    I think his head and heart are in the right place so I hope he finds his way.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @QCIC


    After living with the Chukotka for five years on seal meat and whale oil
     
    they have adaptions that he does not.

    The average Russian would probably be physiologically alike some vegetarian Hindu when compared to the Eskimo. Being a carnivore that eats carnivores is an especially tough trick.

    Replies: @songbird

  788. @German_reader
    @songbird

    I wonder what she supposes the US should do about those North Korean missiles. It's not like there are any economic sanctions left to impose on NK, and it's not a country one can just bomb. But a lot of the "discussions" here have this unreal quality.

    Replies: @songbird

    As I recall, the Norks do have a sort of H-bomb that was at least powerful enough to crack a mountain or something. Am a bit skeptical of their #MeToo claims of a nuclear tsunami torpedo, but who knows? Anyway, they have a pretty powerful conventional deterrent.

    But I really don’t understand why some people seem to be promoting revanchism against nuclear powers, as though it is a latent impulse that needs only to be quickened in the hearts of millions.

    To be fair, I suppose there are multiple territorial desputes involving nuclear powers. But strategic cities changing hands? Or China allying with the US, when the US is intent on bottling it up? The CCP recognized those borders AFAIK, so it would delegitimze itself by questioning them.

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @songbird

    Did CCP feel very delegitimised when they literally waged the small scale war for Damansky island in 1969 after not having problems with this when their creator Stalin was alive?;)

    Replies: @songbird

  789. @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN

    Your previous comment was about events in the 1980s, so my comment was entirely relevant.
    Here's a report from the RAND corporation (yes, I know, maybe not the best source, but see no reason to doubt the data in its essentials), you can look at the graphic on p. 31 about arms sales to Iraq in the 1980s:
    https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/notes/2009/N3248.pdf
    Or here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIPRI_Arms_Transfers_Database,_Iraq_1973%E2%80%931990
    Soviet Union was Iraq's major arms supplier for much of the 1980s (though they didn't sell arms from 1980 to 1982), so I don't know why you think this moralizing about gassed Kurds makes much sense from a Russian pov.


    Similar simple question: how do the numbers of people in Iraq murdered, tortured, and raped during the Saddam regime and after it was overthrown by the US aggression compare? You are welcome to compare these numbers on an annual basis.
     
    Not sure why you're asking me that, I've always been against the Iraq war and am one of the most anti-American commenters here (whatever it may have been a long time ago, like in the immediate post-WW2 era, imo there's no doubt that today the US is overwhelmingly a force for evil in the world). I just don't find the self-indulgent view a lot of Russians seem to have about their country's role in the world (always on the side of freedom movements, standing up against imperialism, never done anything wrong) very convincing either.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Your previous comment was about events in the 1980s, so my comment was entirely relevant.

    The 1980s have long passed. Anyway, let’s dot the i’s and cross the t’s.

    Iraq. Saddam was pretty brutal, but he did not murder and torture in many years as many people as the US “liberators” did in just a few. Remember footage of the “liberators” shooting people with machine guns from a helicopter? Remember gross evidence from Abu-Graib prison? What’s more, the “liberators” robbed Iraq museums, with many artifacts lost forever.

    Iraqis liked US-brought “democracy” so much that Iraq parliament demanded that all occupiers leave ASAP. US bases are constantly under attack by Iraqis. A couple of days ago Iraqi police just barely held back crowds of Iraqis who wanted to burn down the US embassy in Bagdad. If the US troops don’t leave soon enough, next time Iraqi police will likely join those crowds.

    Somalia, Libya, Ethiopia. No doubt Siad Barre, Mengistu, and Ghaddafi were brutal dictators. However, their overthrow showed that they kept in check a lot greater brutality. Mayhem that ensued, with murders and other crimes, greatly increased human suffering in those countries after the fall of dictators.

    Serbia. The US and the rest of NATO committed numerous war crimes bombing civilians. Not on the scale of US war crimes in Korea and Vietnam, but crimes nonetheless.

    My point is, in real life you have to mind what you choose from. As the saying goes, “be careful what you wish for, your wish may be granted”.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN


    but he did not murder and torture in many years as many people as the US “liberators” did in just a few.
     
    That's an extremely dubious assertion. And get real, of course Russia is also torturing people in Ukraine (as in all probability are the Ukrainian security services). I know I've got a moralistic streak myself, but this selective moralizing is really tiresome.
    I agree with this though

    However, their overthrow showed that they kept in check a lot greater brutality. Mayhem that ensued, with murders and other crimes, greatly increased human suffering in those countries after the fall of those dictators.
     
    also with the argument that all this talk about a "rules-based order" is ridiculous, given how the US ignores the UN charter whenever it's convenient, and of course there's a predictable backlash. Should be pretty obvious, but apparently too difficult to understand for the midwits running the West (or maybe they're all compromised somehow, hard to understand their exact motivations).

    Replies: @A123

    , @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    US bases are constantly under attack by Iraqis.
    ...
    A couple of days ago Iraqi police just barely held back crowds of Iraqis who wanted to burn down the US embassy in Bagdad.
     
    Those are actually two very different things.

    U.S. military presence in Iraq is limited and well sited. These small forces are not "constantly under attack". I am not sure where you got that misinformation.

    The Green Zone embassy is epically over sized. Its... Ahem... Contractors (a.k.a. mercenaries) are poorly controlled and not properly accountable. Shutting down the absurd State Department monolith (ziggurat?) in Baghdad would be wise.

    Fundamentally, Iraq cannot be fixed without an at least 3 way partition. The issues resemble Lebanon. The factions are unwilling or incapable of living together. The obvious answer is voluntary disassociation to live apart. However, that would result in a Kurdistan.

    PEACE 😇
  790. German_reader says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    Your previous comment was about events in the 1980s, so my comment was entirely relevant.
     
    The 1980s have long passed. Anyway, let’s dot the i’s and cross the t’s.

    Iraq. Saddam was pretty brutal, but he did not murder and torture in many years as many people as the US “liberators” did in just a few. Remember footage of the “liberators” shooting people with machine guns from a helicopter? Remember gross evidence from Abu-Graib prison? What’s more, the “liberators” robbed Iraq museums, with many artifacts lost forever.

    Iraqis liked US-brought “democracy” so much that Iraq parliament demanded that all occupiers leave ASAP. US bases are constantly under attack by Iraqis. A couple of days ago Iraqi police just barely held back crowds of Iraqis who wanted to burn down the US embassy in Bagdad. If the US troops don’t leave soon enough, next time Iraqi police will likely join those crowds.

    Somalia, Libya, Ethiopia. No doubt Siad Barre, Mengistu, and Ghaddafi were brutal dictators. However, their overthrow showed that they kept in check a lot greater brutality. Mayhem that ensued, with murders and other crimes, greatly increased human suffering in those countries after the fall of dictators.

    Serbia. The US and the rest of NATO committed numerous war crimes bombing civilians. Not on the scale of US war crimes in Korea and Vietnam, but crimes nonetheless.

    My point is, in real life you have to mind what you choose from. As the saying goes, “be careful what you wish for, your wish may be granted”.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    but he did not murder and torture in many years as many people as the US “liberators” did in just a few.

    That’s an extremely dubious assertion. And get real, of course Russia is also torturing people in Ukraine (as in all probability are the Ukrainian security services). I know I’ve got a moralistic streak myself, but this selective moralizing is really tiresome.
    I agree with this though

    However, their overthrow showed that they kept in check a lot greater brutality. Mayhem that ensued, with murders and other crimes, greatly increased human suffering in those countries after the fall of those dictators.

    also with the argument that all this talk about a “rules-based order” is ridiculous, given how the US ignores the UN charter whenever it’s convenient, and of course there’s a predictable backlash. Should be pretty obvious, but apparently too difficult to understand for the midwits running the West (or maybe they’re all compromised somehow, hard to understand their exact motivations).

    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader


    all this talk about a “rules-based order” is ridiculous, given how the US ignores the UN charter whenever it’s convenient,
     
    Try this instead:

    all this talk about a “rules-based order” is ridiculous, given how
    *EVERYONE* ignores the UN charter whenever it’s convenient,

    For example -- China, Russia, and India all refuse to participate in ICC injustice. Why make a hypocritical attempt to call out the U.S. when they are simply acting like other major powers? Such a blow cannot possibly land.

    The UN is a failed, post WW II artifact. Anyone wishing to get rid of NATO should target the UN first. It is a much more vile and destructive force.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  791. @QCIC
    @sudden death

    Poor Anatoly, he tries to understand and cannot.

    He needs to destroy all of his devices and move to the frozen North. After living with the Chukotka for five years on seal meat and whale oil he may be able to see the big picture.

    A painful yet relevant snip from wiki:


    A Chukcha ['Tolya'] applies for membership in the Union of Soviet Writers. He is asked what literature he is familiar with. "Have you read Pushkin?" "No." "Have you read Dostoevsky?" "No." “Can you read at all?" The Chukcha, offended, replies, "Chukcha not reader, Chukcha writer!"
     
    I think his head and heart are in the right place so I hope he finds his way.

    Replies: @songbird

    After living with the Chukotka for five years on seal meat and whale oil

    they have adaptions that he does not.

    The average Russian would probably be physiologically alike some vegetarian Hindu when compared to the Eskimo. Being a carnivore that eats carnivores is an especially tough trick.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @songbird

    What I am saying is: Reindeer Chukotka, or bust!

    Either that or insert killer-whale genes into a retro virus and hope that the epithelial cells in your gut can output the proper enzymes faster than they slough off.

  792. @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN


    but he did not murder and torture in many years as many people as the US “liberators” did in just a few.
     
    That's an extremely dubious assertion. And get real, of course Russia is also torturing people in Ukraine (as in all probability are the Ukrainian security services). I know I've got a moralistic streak myself, but this selective moralizing is really tiresome.
    I agree with this though

    However, their overthrow showed that they kept in check a lot greater brutality. Mayhem that ensued, with murders and other crimes, greatly increased human suffering in those countries after the fall of those dictators.
     
    also with the argument that all this talk about a "rules-based order" is ridiculous, given how the US ignores the UN charter whenever it's convenient, and of course there's a predictable backlash. Should be pretty obvious, but apparently too difficult to understand for the midwits running the West (or maybe they're all compromised somehow, hard to understand their exact motivations).

    Replies: @A123

    all this talk about a “rules-based order” is ridiculous, given how the US ignores the UN charter whenever it’s convenient,

    Try this instead:

    all this talk about a “rules-based order” is ridiculous, given how
    *EVERYONE* ignores the UN charter whenever it’s convenient,

    For example — China, Russia, and India all refuse to participate in ICC injustice. Why make a hypocritical attempt to call out the U.S. when they are simply acting like other major powers? Such a blow cannot possibly land.

    The UN is a failed, post WW II artifact. Anyone wishing to get rid of NATO should target the UN first. It is a much more vile and destructive force.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @A123

    I would say though you are correct about the ICC -

    1. US did coerce the other UN security council members like Russia to agree to the sanctions against Iran a decade before , with the Iranians furious at us for then not delivering the agreed S-300 systems after the sanctions were made. At the moment, no other important member has used the UN so opportunistically only to not use it at all for anything them don't like.

    2. US forces 3rd party countries to not do trade, investment, technology, military co-operation etc with countries they are against. China, India and Russia are not like this at all - Motor Sich of 404 towards Chinese ownership overturned because of the US being an example.

    Replies: @A123

  793. @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    Your previous comment was about events in the 1980s, so my comment was entirely relevant.
     
    The 1980s have long passed. Anyway, let’s dot the i’s and cross the t’s.

    Iraq. Saddam was pretty brutal, but he did not murder and torture in many years as many people as the US “liberators” did in just a few. Remember footage of the “liberators” shooting people with machine guns from a helicopter? Remember gross evidence from Abu-Graib prison? What’s more, the “liberators” robbed Iraq museums, with many artifacts lost forever.

    Iraqis liked US-brought “democracy” so much that Iraq parliament demanded that all occupiers leave ASAP. US bases are constantly under attack by Iraqis. A couple of days ago Iraqi police just barely held back crowds of Iraqis who wanted to burn down the US embassy in Bagdad. If the US troops don’t leave soon enough, next time Iraqi police will likely join those crowds.

    Somalia, Libya, Ethiopia. No doubt Siad Barre, Mengistu, and Ghaddafi were brutal dictators. However, their overthrow showed that they kept in check a lot greater brutality. Mayhem that ensued, with murders and other crimes, greatly increased human suffering in those countries after the fall of dictators.

    Serbia. The US and the rest of NATO committed numerous war crimes bombing civilians. Not on the scale of US war crimes in Korea and Vietnam, but crimes nonetheless.

    My point is, in real life you have to mind what you choose from. As the saying goes, “be careful what you wish for, your wish may be granted”.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    US bases are constantly under attack by Iraqis.

    A couple of days ago Iraqi police just barely held back crowds of Iraqis who wanted to burn down the US embassy in Bagdad.

    Those are actually two very different things.

    U.S. military presence in Iraq is limited and well sited. These small forces are not “constantly under attack”. I am not sure where you got that misinformation.

    The Green Zone embassy is epically over sized. Its… Ahem… Contractors (a.k.a. mercenaries) are poorly controlled and not properly accountable. Shutting down the absurd State Department monolith (ziggurat?) in Baghdad would be wise.

    Fundamentally, Iraq cannot be fixed without an at least 3 way partition. The issues resemble Lebanon. The factions are unwilling or incapable of living together. The obvious answer is voluntary disassociation to live apart. However, that would result in a Kurdistan.

    PEACE 😇

  794. @songbird
    @QCIC


    After living with the Chukotka for five years on seal meat and whale oil
     
    they have adaptions that he does not.

    The average Russian would probably be physiologically alike some vegetarian Hindu when compared to the Eskimo. Being a carnivore that eats carnivores is an especially tough trick.

    Replies: @songbird

    What I am saying is: Reindeer Chukotka, or bust!

    Either that or insert killer-whale genes into a retro virus and hope that the epithelial cells in your gut can output the proper enzymes faster than they slough off.

  795. @A123
    @German_reader


    all this talk about a “rules-based order” is ridiculous, given how the US ignores the UN charter whenever it’s convenient,
     
    Try this instead:

    all this talk about a “rules-based order” is ridiculous, given how
    *EVERYONE* ignores the UN charter whenever it’s convenient,

    For example -- China, Russia, and India all refuse to participate in ICC injustice. Why make a hypocritical attempt to call out the U.S. when they are simply acting like other major powers? Such a blow cannot possibly land.

    The UN is a failed, post WW II artifact. Anyone wishing to get rid of NATO should target the UN first. It is a much more vile and destructive force.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    I would say though you are correct about the ICC –

    1. US did coerce the other UN security council members like Russia to agree to the sanctions against Iran a decade before , with the Iranians furious at us for then not delivering the agreed S-300 systems after the sanctions were made. At the moment, no other important member has used the UN so opportunistically only to not use it at all for anything them don’t like.

    2. US forces 3rd party countries to not do trade, investment, technology, military co-operation etc with countries they are against. China, India and Russia are not like this at all – Motor Sich of 404 towards Chinese ownership overturned because of the US being an example.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Gerard1234


    agree to the sanctions against Iran a decade before
     
    So... You are arguing that Obama, the President before the 2nd most recent President that was succeeded by the current fake regime did something a long time ago? Or, are you going back even further to GW?

    While historically interesting, they are irrelevant to the present day Veggie-In-Chief's mental degeneration. The *current* White House occupant is run by anti-American foreign powers. In the case of Ukraine policy, Scholz and Macron are the puppet masters.
    ___

    The CCP unleashed the WUHAN-19 virus on the planet. They also ruthlessly manipulate trade agreements and steal IP. Gradual decoupling from such insanity is rationality given form and substance. Why would reasonable countries not go along with minimum steps needed for self preservation?

    This has nothing to do with coercion. It is enlightened self interest.

    PEACE 😇
  796. @Gerard1234
    @AP


    That makes you even more stupid and gullible. In other words – typical Sovok civil engineer.

    https://www.enerdata.net/estore/energy-market/united-kingdom/#:~:text=Power%20Consumption,a%205.2%25%20drop%20in%202020

    1.5% increase in 2021 compared to 2020. 4.5% decrease in 2022 compared to 2021
     
    LOL - I already told you about these idiotic random BS links of yours. I attach zero truth to them you prick. As I said, 2 days before on english-language results it was made very clear that UK was at something like 330--350TWh pre-coronavirus, about 270TWh in 2022 ( so not including 2023 drop). I am not willing to look at this for more than 3 minutes (we know you have plenty of time) - so from what I can see "miraculously" the stuff there is completely changed and contradictory after you started manipulating searches- some things saying well over 300TWh electricity used in UK in 2022 (clearly BS), others saying something like 275TWh. With all that contradictory BS I am perfectly satisfied to believe someone of standing of Kovalchuk.

    However, all the stuff there from my quick search still say that UK domestic electricity consumption for 2022 DOWN 10+% - so even that aligns with Kovalchuk!!Its indisputable that Industrial output is significantly reduced - and the same should apply to the other field of electricity use - commercial.

    As example, it may appear minor thing but still highly indicative- if women in west are working most days from home remotely - then they are not going to hairdresser or shopping for clothes at anywhere close to frequency they would if physically going into work each day. Plus the internet shopping factor for the clothes. All these type of things accumulate into significant percentage. Women are religious about their hair.

    In addition, when I checked the German 2 days before - the numbers fully aligned with Kovalchuk 12% drop - 510+TWh in 2021 vs 450+TWh in 2023.

    Some Russian claims 22% decrease 2021-2023.
     
    CEO of world-relevant company you dipshit..speaking directly to Putin. Also I know you are a fake khokhol...but even I would expect a fantasist retard like you to appreciate an "ethnic" Ukrainian in a high position.......it's a rarity to non-existant in Ukraine itself, LMAO.

    Is this like when you claimed AnoninTN really meant metro lines rather than metro stations when he was caught claiming nonsensically that no metro stations were built after 1991? Even he would be too embarrassed to come up with your excuses.
     
    Clearly he did - as not building a single metro line for 33 years is itself an embarassing disaster. If not then its clear that unlike you he knows the Kiev Metro so its a simple and irrelevant mispoke that's very easy to do with the 3 interchangeable f**kups of the Ukronazi regime of 1991, 2004, 2014. As I said, countless important things not done in 404 start with the sentence "since 1991". He has the credibility that he's not lying or ignorant and he's completely honest and very knowledgeable - that's the complete opposite of yourself of course.

    I also made clear that majority of the few stations built after 1991 were entirely Soviet projects - designed and approved then, most even started building before until Soviet collapse prevented completion - so he could be classifying them that way. As a user of the Kiev Metro ( so again, completely different to you) he could easily have been going on personal experience - the few khokhol stations are not the type indicative of city expanding, or outside metropolitan area moving into city area (like Moscow oblast to Moscow city)....these few are like outstations servicing national transport links.

    Your paragraph after paragraph screeching about it betrays your desperation.
     

    No, I was just amused when Karlin found out where you were posting from and shared with us here on this forum.
     
    You're the one screeching dipshit.........and conducting abnormal hours of "detective" work to (non)prove your cretinous lies, LOL. How pitiful- though expected for a sociopathic lowlife. Karlin proved jackshit, because the entire premise is jackshit. It was during Karlin's bizarre "tag-team" phase with scum as yourself (probably because the more posts, and you have nothing to do with your time other than lie and post......then the better traffic for his blog) that he invented this laughable nonsense.Clearly also, its untrue he never met scum as yourself in Moscow as you have never been there and are the lowest common denominator of humanity - so I wouldnt expect him to visit your basement if he was in the US. But Karlins a decent guy despite that silliness, excellent blogger, and I wish him all the best

    Replies: @AP

    I already told you about these idiotic random BS links of yours. I attach zero truth to them you prick

    You are a dumb Sovok, who cares what you “think” or attach truth too. I posted links for others in case they might be interested.

    so from what I can see “miraculously” the stuff there is completely changed and contradictory after you started manipulating searches

    So in addition to being gullible and dumb, you have paranoid delusions that I control the results of your internet searches.

    from my quick search still say that UK domestic electricity consumption for 2022 DOWN 10+%

    So now you are changing from total consumption to domestic consumption.

    Of course a Sovok-trained civil “engineer” couldn’t be expected to know the difference.

    For example, you don’t even know the difference between a metro station and a metro line.

    You’re the one screeching

    We see who is doing that….paragraph after paragraph.

  797. Black Fatigue seems to be the book to read during February, according to my local library.

  798. @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    I don't know the guy, but he looks better dressed than Zelko...

    Why do you focus on minutia? Is that the way you cope with the ongoing disaster for Kiev-Nato? This was a bad plan and it is costing a lot of Ukie lives (and Western treasure). It is not going to work, instead of watching irrelevant videos you should deal with the reality.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Why do you focus on minutia? Is that the way you cope with the ongoing disaster for Kiev-Nato?

    Did you have an answer as to why the pro-Putin/anti-Jewish posters at Unz ignore Putin’s Jews? Any theories on that? They seem unable to answer that question so maybe you can help them.

    I agree that the war is a disaster. The Russian military is the laughing stock of the world and Putin still hasn’t taken Avdiivka despite starting the war with a 1:8 infantry advantage.

    Once again Putin is sending meat waves for a city that is already in ruins.

    Putin is here to liberate your life and destroy your home city.

    World is impressed.

    How about some video of liberated Bakhmut:

    So much better with Russian involvement.

    This was a bad plan and it is costing a lot of Ukie lives (and Western treasure).

    It was Putin’s plan to have a 2.5 week special operation. Did you forget about that?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    The Nato plan to move into Ukraine to better threaten Russia has failed. Your feverish hysteria - sorry, but you are clearly going insane - is the result of that loss. You can't admit it to yourself, so you lie that you never wanted it anyway - or alternatively that there is still hope it will happen. And the best one: your sour grapes.

    The WalMart morons running the world...it's not going to happen. Just calm down.

    , @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    I'm glad Kiev doesn't look like this. I hope it stays that way.

  799. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    How about no new military and stop provoking all around? Control the Euro borders, build a strong infrastructure and social state, work less – 20-30 hours seems about enough, allow smaller populations and tell the big guys to take it somewhere else…
     
    Sound advice, but… To do these things you have to be independent. The EU and UK are anything but.

    Vassals cannot act in their own interests, they have to act in the interests of their suzerain. That’s the definition of being a vassal.

    Replies: @AP

    Vassals cannot act in their own interests, they have to act in the interests of their suzerain. That’s the definition of being a vassal.

    The Russian mentality.

    In a feudal relationship, the suzerain is also obligated to take into account the needs of the vassal and to protect him. The relationship was mutual. If the suzerain failed to take care of the vassal, the vassal was free to find another.

    But Russian political culture only understands master and slave. The “vassal” must serve blindly – so, he s not really a vassal. Russia had a different political legacy.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @AP

    As the EU and the UK obviously act against their interests on behest or the empire, by your definition they are American slaves, not vassals. I tried to be polite so far, but will call them that in the future.

    Replies: @A123, @AP

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP


    The Russian mentality.
     
    You are about as qualified to talk about "Russian mentality" as you are about "Ukrainian" mentality or knee replacement surgery or any branch of medical science as you know absolute ZERO about it.

    Finland and Poland both had far more freedom, autonomy ,and most importantly - generous financial investment from the Russian treasury than any equivalents to them in German, Habsburg, Spanish, French, British, Swedish empires you dumb prick. In Polish Russia - much of railways built to standard , not Russian gauge either you idiot - which is huge of freedom for the time . Not to forget about plenty of Polish and Finnish elites in Russian empire.

    But Russian political culture only understands master and slave. The “vassal” must serve blindly – so, he s not really a vassal. Russia had a different political legacy.
     
    This is amusingly dumb nonsense is regurgitation of other failed Sovietologists imbecilic "theories" like Pipes or the abnormally ugly bitch Applebaum (wow - I still disturbed by your comment on that you pitiful wakjob). Russian political culture is the extremely democratic Zemsky Sobor, Tsar's power always restrained with the Boyars and others effectively holding a gun to his head (like over abolishing serfdom), frequent rebellions and enacting change from the authorities because of these rebellions or other movements- different to Galician-whore slaves being about 7th place in hierarchy for 600 years. 3 big revolutions in 100 years also you stupid retard.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

  800. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Vassals cannot act in their own interests, they have to act in the interests of their suzerain. That’s the definition of being a vassal.
     
    The Russian mentality.

    In a feudal relationship, the suzerain is also obligated to take into account the needs of the vassal and to protect him. The relationship was mutual. If the suzerain failed to take care of the vassal, the vassal was free to find another.

    But Russian political culture only understands master and slave. The "vassal" must serve blindly - so, he s not really a vassal. Russia had a different political legacy.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    As the EU and the UK obviously act against their interests on behest or the empire, by your definition they are American slaves, not vassals. I tried to be polite so far, but will call them that in the future.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    As the EU and the UK obviously act against their interests on behest or the empire, by your definition they are American slaves, not vassals.
     
    Let me fix that for you:

    As the EU and the UK obviously act against their interests on behest of the European Empire empire, by your definition they are slaves of the Davos WEF Elites, not vassals.

    I tried to be polite so far, but will call them that in the future.
     
    Calling out European Elites for enslaving their own people is an excellent move. This is not the first-time. The phrase, "Let them eat cake" springs immediately to mind.

    It should lead to national revolts in the form of, AfD in Germany, RN in France, etc. Europe needs a "Spartacus" moment where slaves of the Europe Empire tear down European Elites.

    Casting diversionary blame on the U.S. helps the elites of Davos and Berlin. I suggest that there is a better path -- Wielding the truth:

    The problem with Europe is Europe!
    The problem with Germany is Germany!


    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    In a feudal relationship, the suzerain is also obligated to take into account the needs of the vassal and to protect him. The relationship was mutual. If the suzerain failed to take care of the vassal, the vassal was free to find another.

    But Russian political culture only understands master and slave. The “vassal” must serve blindly – so, he s not really a vassal


    As the EU and the UK obviously act against their interests on behest or the empire, by your definition they are American slaves, not vassals
     
    Logic is hard for you. Here is an example of your “reasoning”:

    Trains have wheels.

    Your Subaru has wheels.

    Your Subaru is a train.

    Or about the relationship between the USA and the EU:

    EU has higher tariffs than the USA on similar products. USA is EU’s slave.
  801. Guinea fowl appear to have an interesting reaction to snakes, one very unlike chickens:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @songbird

    Supposedly, guinea fowl eat the ticks in an area so are good to have around if you are worried about tick-borne illnesses. They can be noisy so your neighbors may hate you.

    Replies: @songbird

  802. @Gerard1234
    @A123

    I would say though you are correct about the ICC -

    1. US did coerce the other UN security council members like Russia to agree to the sanctions against Iran a decade before , with the Iranians furious at us for then not delivering the agreed S-300 systems after the sanctions were made. At the moment, no other important member has used the UN so opportunistically only to not use it at all for anything them don't like.

    2. US forces 3rd party countries to not do trade, investment, technology, military co-operation etc with countries they are against. China, India and Russia are not like this at all - Motor Sich of 404 towards Chinese ownership overturned because of the US being an example.

    Replies: @A123

    agree to the sanctions against Iran a decade before

    So… You are arguing that Obama, the President before the 2nd most recent President that was succeeded by the current fake regime did something a long time ago? Or, are you going back even further to GW?

    While historically interesting, they are irrelevant to the present day Veggie-In-Chief’s mental degeneration. The *current* White House occupant is run by anti-American foreign powers. In the case of Ukraine policy, Scholz and Macron are the puppet masters.
    ___

    The CCP unleashed the WUHAN-19 virus on the planet. They also ruthlessly manipulate trade agreements and steal IP. Gradual decoupling from such insanity is rationality given form and substance. Why would reasonable countries not go along with minimum steps needed for self preservation?

    This has nothing to do with coercion. It is enlightened self interest.

    PEACE 😇

  803. @songbird
    @German_reader

    As I recall, the Norks do have a sort of H-bomb that was at least powerful enough to crack a mountain or something. Am a bit skeptical of their #MeToo claims of a nuclear tsunami torpedo, but who knows? Anyway, they have a pretty powerful conventional deterrent.

    But I really don't understand why some people seem to be promoting revanchism against nuclear powers, as though it is a latent impulse that needs only to be quickened in the hearts of millions.

    To be fair, I suppose there are multiple territorial desputes involving nuclear powers. But strategic cities changing hands? Or China allying with the US, when the US is intent on bottling it up? The CCP recognized those borders AFAIK, so it would delegitimze itself by questioning them.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Did CCP feel very delegitimised when they literally waged the small scale war for Damansky island in 1969 after not having problems with this when their creator Stalin was alive?;)

    • Replies: @songbird
    @sudden death

    Was there an official agreement back then? I was referring to this:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Sino-Soviet_Border_Agreement

    And subsequent additions.

    But anyway, the old border clashes were interpreted as defensive posturing in nature (but with an agressive edge)by Kissinger. Not tantamount to attempts at annexing or taking cities.

    Vladivostok is 45 miles from the border. Don't believe any of the clashes had that depth.

    Replies: @sudden death

  804. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Ukraine will become a member of NATO
     
    Only if Kiev wins the war and Russia doesn't protect itself with nukes. It means never.

    Your boiler-plate empty quotes are desperate - expedite, closer? what does that mean?

    I said: public talk by the Nato leaders - Biden, Scholz, Macron, the Indian...they are the leaders, not a PR person issuing busy-work meaningless paper. Or even that weirdo 'Kamala', show them posturing like they did before the war. They know better now.

    You like to escape into lying by infantilism...one almost feels sorry for you.

    Replies: @AP

    …Ukraine will become a member of NATO

    Only if Kiev wins the war and Russia doesn’t protect itself with nukes. It means never.

    Because Beckow says so?

    Here you lied:

    “Until February 2022 no Nato leader could stand in front of a mike without saying “Ukraine will be in Nato and it is none of Russia’s business”. Today they don’t say it any more”

    But just a few months ago, more than a year and a half since Russia invaded, the secretary General of NATO came to Kiev and stated:

    https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_218847.htm

    “ Secretary General in Kyiv: Ukraine is closer to NATO than ever before””

    I said: public talk by the Nato leaders – Biden, Scholz, Macron, the Indian

    So the secretary general of NATO is not a NATO leader?

    In your desperation you keep trying to change the goal posts.

    But you fail as usual.

    Here is the Indian guy, British PM Sunak, June 2023, more than a year after the Russian invasion:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/01/british-pm-rishi-sunak-says-ukraines-rightful-place-is-in-nato.html

    U.K. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said Thursday that Ukraine’s “rightful place” is within the NATO military alliance.

    Sunak said he agreed with comments made earlier Thursday by NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg that Ukraine is on the path toward NATO membership.

    “I agree with the NATO Secretary-General: Ukraine’s rightful place is in NATO,” Sunak told CNBC’s Silvia Amaro.

    I’m surprised you didn’t shriek “autism”, as you usually do when you are caught lying.

    My position was clear before – that Ukraine had a very tiny chance of ever joining NATO before Russia invaded. Maybe 5%, or 10%. Now the chances are much higher – 25%, 30%.

    The recent French position:

    https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2023/06/20/la-france-se-resout-a-soutenir-l-adhesion-de-l-ukraine-a-l-otan_6178374_3210.html

    According to our information, a recent defense council, meeting on June 12 at the Elysée, examined the hypothesis of a possible accession of Ukraine, an option now considered in Paris as a guarantee of security in its own right. , because likely to discourage Russia from continuing the war or, if the conflict were to end, to prevent any further aggression.

    However tactical it may be, this opening constitutes a real conversion for France. By acting in this way, Paris is moving closer to the positions defended by Central European countries, most of which, first and foremost Poland and the Baltic States, tirelessly advocate for Ukraine’s membership in NATO. “The French position is now closer to that of Poland than to that of Germany ,” confirms a foreign diplomat.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    I don't move the goal posts - you do. You use boiler plate half-ass statements that mean nothing vs. a very aggressive public statements by Biden, kamala, BoJo etc...before. If you are too dumb to see the difference I can't help you.

    One more time: Ukraine will be in Nato only if Kiev wins the war and Russia doesn’t protect itself with nukes. It means never. There is no other scenario that would allow Ukraine to join Nato - watch Carlson's interview for the most recent restatement by Putin of what the war is all about and how they plan to end it.

    If you say that Ukraine's odds for Nato are 25-30%, you are also saying that Kiev's chances of winning the war are 25-30%. That is unrealistic. You can hold on to your dream, Mr. "paused offensive", but at this point it is closer to 5%, if that.

    The scenario of a "frozen conflict" with a rump-Ukraine staying as a hostile, Nato-occupied enemy of Russia is even more unrealistic - why would Russia allow that? They have the weapons they need to keep it from happening. You really don't want them to use these weapons, or do you? Maybe mild autism is not your biggest mental issue...:)

    Replies: @AP, @John Johnson

  805. @AnonfromTN
    @AP

    As the EU and the UK obviously act against their interests on behest or the empire, by your definition they are American slaves, not vassals. I tried to be polite so far, but will call them that in the future.

    Replies: @A123, @AP

    As the EU and the UK obviously act against their interests on behest or the empire, by your definition they are American slaves, not vassals.

    Let me fix that for you:

    As the EU and the UK obviously act against their interests on behest of the European Empire empire, by your definition they are slaves of the Davos WEF Elites, not vassals.

    I tried to be polite so far, but will call them that in the future.

    Calling out European Elites for enslaving their own people is an excellent move. This is not the first-time. The phrase, “Let them eat cake” springs immediately to mind.

    It should lead to national revolts in the form of, AfD in Germany, RN in France, etc. Europe needs a “Spartacus” moment where slaves of the Europe Empire tear down European Elites.

    Casting diversionary blame on the U.S. helps the elites of Davos and Berlin. I suggest that there is a better path — Wielding the truth:

    The problem with Europe is Europe!
    The problem with Germany is Germany!

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123

    At the moment Europe has about as much agency as Republic of Palau. Fittingly, European “leaders” (with the exception of very few rebels) are pathetic nonentities.

  806. @LatW
    @Beckow


    If it is true that the Ukie population is anti-Russian then keeping the territories will be a poison pill for Russia.
     
    Why test on real human beings? Especially when it's clear that most don't want RusFed on their land in places such as Zapo and Kherson? In Donbas, what took place, was an ethnic cleansing - the pro-Ukrainians were cleansed from there - another thing that the world won't talk about.

    The issue is that the population is being ravaged (murdered and maimed), whole towns are being flattened, this is not only bad for the EU from the point of view of the neo-Sovok Russian plague approaching closer and closer, but also from the ethical point of view. But there is not much point in discussing it with you in particular, since you will just switch to "what about Beograd..". Whereas I'm arguing deeply from the selfish point of the EU. And maybe even overall global stability, since after this partition there will probably be temptation for many around the world to do the same, to solve their "problems"...

    Replies: @Beckow

    …after this partition there will probably be temptation for many around the world to do the same

    It has always been there, there is no ‘after this’. You hate it when people remind you of the Nato attack on Serbia…the ethnic cleansing of Serbs and the ‘partition’. But there is no way to walk away from it.

    It seems to me that in Ukraine the ethnic expulsions-departures have worked both ways, Ukies went to the centre-west, Russians probably left for Russia or moved to the Russian controlled regions. You have to hold the post-Maidan Kiev responsible for that – the slogans, discriminatory laws, massacres, bombing of Donbas…they broke the united Ukraine, no matter how imperfect and quarrelsome. It can’t be put back together.

    Yours and the Euro elites’ inability to admit it was a fatal mistake and criminal is the root of the problem. You talk only about one side’s suffering – it is absurd, it won’t get you anywhere. The West needs to admit that Kiev was wrong to bomb Donbas, to let Russians be murdered in Odessa, to ban the Russian language in schools…you don’t seem capable of doing it. So it will end in a total defeat for your side…there is a high price to pay for acting irrationally and criminally against a more powerful enemy. But you seem stuck in your side’s victimhood, it is a dead end.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    It has always been there, there is no ‘after this’.
     
    Yes, but the relative post 1945 stability was still in place up until 2022, even though it was gradually being eroded. And simultaneously the security vacuum in Eastern Europe was never sufficiently closed (in line with the interests of the EE nations). That was the mistake of the previous generation. Or maybe it wasn't possible.

    You hate it when people remind you of the Nato attack on Serbia…the ethnic cleansing of Serbs and the ‘partition’. But there is no way to walk away from it.
     
    There were objective internal problems there and a geopolitical aspect (closeness to Central Europe). Of course, it doesn't justify aggression towards them from the ethical point of view, but there was aggression from the Serb side as well. That conflict, no matter how painful, was also more regionally contained than the war in Ukraine - the invasion of Ukraine affects a much larger number of people and involves broader geographies.

    It seems to me that in Ukraine the ethnic expulsions-departures have worked both ways, Ukies went to the centre-west, Russians probably left for Russia or moved to the Russian controlled regions.

     

    The problem is that those Ukrainians of Donbas who were pushed out of their homes, many of whom had lived there for generations, do not have a chance to return and live under a government that provides them with all the rights they deserve, instead there is severe abuse of anyone who is pro-Ukrainian there.

    You have to hold the post-Maidan Kiev responsible for that
     

    The problem is that there was an intervention from the Russian side - yes, the locals did have an objective disagreement with Kyiv, but, as we have spoken here many times before, RusFed provided the rebels with weapons and RusFed operators were present not only in the East, but also in Kyiv itself. There had also been a large annexation (Crimea) - you can argue tirelessly about "whose is Crimea", etc., but the truth is is that if you annex a part of a country, it is only natural that that country will view those who did the annexation and supported it with suspicion (to put it mildly). This would happen in any country (or even tribe).

    The West needs to admit that Kiev was wrong to bomb Donbas, to let Russians be murdered in Odessa

     

    You can't really force the West to admit anything, you can call them hypocritical or what not, but the West is mostly concerned with their own civilization. This is the harsh reality despite the fact that there is also an attempt to present overarching standards of international rules and moral standards.

    Similarly, the so called "Russian world" are only concerned with their own interests and they will never admit that Russia has bombed civilian homes in Syria or in Ukraine, or that Russia operates torture facilities in E.Ukraine. None of this will be admitted, much less repented - at least, probably not in the 45+ generation.

    Of course, what happened to the Donbas population was very unjust - with regards to non-militanrs (although some of them were connected to the rebels). What had to be done, was a special operation very early on to suppress the militants (or possibly even earlier, there was a moment when they had not yet put the balaclavas on, along with calming down the population - maybe it was not possible, maybe it was, hard to say - this, too, would've required a major operation of special forces, those types of areas in EE are not heavily policed normally, people are used to living freely so they were complacent about the severity of the conflict and what consequences it can lead to). There was a deliberate attempt by Russia to create an insurgency there (Surkov's plan). There were media fakes as well, to stoke up the fire.

    As to Odessa, I've already told you several times, but once again, in this case as well, the military police and the forces for the crowd control needed to be brought in much earlier. If you look at the footage, it is absolutely insane. It is possible that this was not done, on purpose, by the local police heads, to allow a pro-Russian insurgency in Odessa to start. Or it may have just been chaos - what was happening there could already be qualified as small scale war. Once again, it is understandable that the Ukrainians were upset and wanted to defend themselves, since they were already seeing their country being carved up in the East. But, of course, the situation should have never been allowed to get that far - there should've not just crowd control there, but troops and the national guard units. They were complacent (or were not able to mobilize the resources fast enough).

    Do not look down on the Eastern Slavic people for going through these ordeals just because they lacked the ability to control this chaos - their circumstances are much more complex and unstable than in other places. The E.Slavic people typically do not police each other as much (they sometimes just let things slide) and they may not have been able to plan everything ahead.


    there is a high price to pay for acting irrationally and criminally against a more powerful enemy.
     
    You have no way of telling how powerful they really are. If we are gone, it will be you who will have to face this (of course, your small nation wouldn't be able to handle anything like this). For now you can sleep peacefully - the men from Azov are fighting so that you don't have to deal with it.

    Replies: @Beckow

  807. @sudden death
    @songbird

    Did CCP feel very delegitimised when they literally waged the small scale war for Damansky island in 1969 after not having problems with this when their creator Stalin was alive?;)

    Replies: @songbird

    Was there an official agreement back then? I was referring to this:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Sino-Soviet_Border_Agreement

    And subsequent additions.

    But anyway, the old border clashes were interpreted as defensive posturing in nature (but with an agressive edge)by Kissinger. Not tantamount to attempts at annexing or taking cities.

    Vladivostok is 45 miles from the border. Don’t believe any of the clashes had that depth.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @songbird

    Obviously, it's not a question of very immediate timeline, but thanx to chimpanzee gang in Kremlin, precedents of cities that far from borders, but changing hands (e,g. Kherson) were also created recently;)

    Replies: @songbird

  808. @AP
    @Beckow


    …Ukraine will become a member of NATO

    Only if Kiev wins the war and Russia doesn’t protect itself with nukes. It means never.
     
    Because Beckow says so?

    Here you lied:

    "Until February 2022 no Nato leader could stand in front of a mike without saying “Ukraine will be in Nato and it is none of Russia’s business”. Today they don’t say it any more"

    But just a few months ago, more than a year and a half since Russia invaded, the secretary General of NATO came to Kiev and stated:

    https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_218847.htm

    “ Secretary General in Kyiv: Ukraine is closer to NATO than ever before”"

    I said: public talk by the Nato leaders – Biden, Scholz, Macron, the Indian
     
    So the secretary general of NATO is not a NATO leader?

    In your desperation you keep trying to change the goal posts.

    But you fail as usual.

    Here is the Indian guy, British PM Sunak, June 2023, more than a year after the Russian invasion:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/01/british-pm-rishi-sunak-says-ukraines-rightful-place-is-in-nato.html

    U.K. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said Thursday that Ukraine’s “rightful place” is within the NATO military alliance.

    Sunak said he agreed with comments made earlier Thursday by NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg that Ukraine is on the path toward NATO membership.

    “I agree with the NATO Secretary-General: Ukraine’s rightful place is in NATO,” Sunak told CNBC’s Silvia Amaro.

    I'm surprised you didn't shriek "autism", as you usually do when you are caught lying.

    My position was clear before - that Ukraine had a very tiny chance of ever joining NATO before Russia invaded. Maybe 5%, or 10%. Now the chances are much higher - 25%, 30%.

    The recent French position:

    https://www.lemonde.fr/international/article/2023/06/20/la-france-se-resout-a-soutenir-l-adhesion-de-l-ukraine-a-l-otan_6178374_3210.html

    According to our information, a recent defense council, meeting on June 12 at the Elysée, examined the hypothesis of a possible accession of Ukraine, an option now considered in Paris as a guarantee of security in its own right. , because likely to discourage Russia from continuing the war or, if the conflict were to end, to prevent any further aggression.

    However tactical it may be, this opening constitutes a real conversion for France. By acting in this way, Paris is moving closer to the positions defended by Central European countries, most of which, first and foremost Poland and the Baltic States, tirelessly advocate for Ukraine's membership in NATO. “The French position is now closer to that of Poland than to that of Germany ,” confirms a foreign diplomat.

    Replies: @Beckow

    I don’t move the goal posts – you do. You use boiler plate half-ass statements that mean nothing vs. a very aggressive public statements by Biden, kamala, BoJo etc…before. If you are too dumb to see the difference I can’t help you.

    One more time: Ukraine will be in Nato only if Kiev wins the war and Russia doesn’t protect itself with nukes. It means never. There is no other scenario that would allow Ukraine to join Nato – watch Carlson’s interview for the most recent restatement by Putin of what the war is all about and how they plan to end it.

    If you say that Ukraine’s odds for Nato are 25-30%, you are also saying that Kiev’s chances of winning the war are 25-30%. That is unrealistic. You can hold on to your dream, Mr. “paused offensive”, but at this point it is closer to 5%, if that.

    The scenario of a “frozen conflict” with a rump-Ukraine staying as a hostile, Nato-occupied enemy of Russia is even more unrealistic – why would Russia allow that? They have the weapons they need to keep it from happening. You really don’t want them to use these weapons, or do you? Maybe mild autism is not your biggest mental issue…:)

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    I don’t move the goal posts – you do.
     
    First you demanded a quote from a NATO leader, spoken after the Russian invasion which you claim ended the chances of NATO membership for Ukraine.-. I provided this from NATO's secretary general:

    “ Secretary General in Kyiv: Ukraine is closer to NATO than ever before””

    You demanded a quote from a national NATO leader that Ukraine will be in NATO, such as "the Indian guy. Then when one was provided by the British PM,

    Sunak said he agreed with comments made earlier Thursday by NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg that Ukraine is on the path toward NATO membership.

    “I agree with the NATO Secretary-General: Ukraine’s rightful place is in NATO,” Sunak told CNBC’s Silvia Amaro.


    you change the demand to not be what you claim as a "half-ass statement."

    What next? Only a statement told on a Tuesday when the person making the statement is wearing a hat?

    As usual, you got caught lying, so all you can do is call someone "autistic" even though it is likely that you have more characteristics of that disorder than I do.

    One more time: Ukraine will be in Nato only if Kiev wins the war and Russia doesn’t protect itself with nukes. It means never.
     
    Is that your new condition for Ukraine winning the war?

    So if as part of a peace settlement, the border is frozen at the current front line but Ukraine joins NATO you will consider this to be a Ukraine win?

    If you say that Ukraine’s odds for Nato are 25-30%, you are also saying that Kiev’s chances of winning the war are 25-30%.
     
    Ukraine can certainly win without NATO membership, which it did not have prior to the war anyways. You change your meaning of "win." I would say restoration of 2014-2022 border and no more Russian interference would be a clear win, even if NATO continues its prewar policy nd never accept Ukraine afterward but just keeps saying that it will, one day. Ukraine will have preserved its independence and foiled a Russian attempt at annexation. Same conditions but at current lines might be considered a draw. Russia failed at its goals of subjugating Ukraine, but won a consolation prize - the Crimean corridor. Ukraine preserved its independence.
    , @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    One more time: Ukraine will be in Nato only if Kiev wins the war and Russia doesn’t protect itself with nukes. It means never. There is no other scenario that would allow Ukraine to join Nato

    Why is this scenario not possible:
    1. Putin takes his Eastern chunk of Ukraine
    2. Armistice is settled with borders along 4 oblasts
    3. Ukraine can then qualify for NATO with a static border
    4. NATO votes in Ukraine

    There is no reason to assume that Russia can hold out as long as needed in a dirty war.

    The US can impose sanctions on medicine indefinitely while Russia will not be able to find reliable sources for alternatives.

    That is what happened to Venezuela. They falsely assumed that they could buy everything from China and India.

    They stole a bunch of US businesses and then seemed shocked to learn that their medicine imports depended on the US.

    Sometimes it seems that governments buy too heavily into Big Bad US narratives and don't realize that most medicine still comes from the US and Germany. This has been true since the 1900s.

    The left-wing government of Venezuela declared that they don't need the US while Venezuelans in the US were desperately trying to send back medicine.

    Replies: @Beckow

  809. @songbird
    @sudden death

    Was there an official agreement back then? I was referring to this:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Sino-Soviet_Border_Agreement

    And subsequent additions.

    But anyway, the old border clashes were interpreted as defensive posturing in nature (but with an agressive edge)by Kissinger. Not tantamount to attempts at annexing or taking cities.

    Vladivostok is 45 miles from the border. Don't believe any of the clashes had that depth.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Obviously, it’s not a question of very immediate timeline, but thanx to chimpanzee gang in Kremlin, precedents of cities that far from borders, but changing hands (e,g. Kherson) were also created recently;)

    • Replies: @songbird
    @sudden death


    precedents of cities that far from borders, but changing hands (e,g. Kherson) were also created recently;)
     
    What you seem to want is a precedent, where they have multi-warhead ICBMs, with H-bombs.

    Since you seem to be implying that the Chinese are waiting for precedent, guess that would be Canada or Mexico invading the US, or Germany or Spain invading France? Or, maybe, some Arab state invading Israel and seeing whether they use the Sampson Option?

    Replies: @sudden death

  810. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    How would that be any different from today’s French nuclear weapons?
     
    French nuclear weapons only cover France. Ideally there would be some sort of common European deterrent. But of course the political obstacles are immense, so it's not very likely.
    And no, you don't need the kind of military the Americans have, with global reach, ability to bomb other continents etc., just enough for credible deterrence (and maybe the occasional anti-piracy operation, where one can cooperate with other powers for common interests).

    tell the big guys to take it somewhere else…
     
    You can only do that when you've got the military force to threaten them with painful consequences (and I'm not just thinking of Russia here, but also the other great powers, also middle-ranking powers in Europe's neighborhood like Turkey). Otherwise you're always dependent on others and will be an object of foreign machinations, not a subject. But as I wrote above, as it looks now, this is all fantasy anyway. Change would require a revolutionary change in mentality.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Change would require a revolutionary change in mentality.

    I agree, the way Europe is today it is impossible.

    What could trigger the change? The continent and its people seem in a daze, with no serious leaders around, obeying the masters across the Atlantic. Euros are governed by a corrupt, petty, slightly perverted and weak elites…If the large in-house migrant population was not there, one could imagine a traditional bottoms-up change with a new more dynamic people rising up…but the migrants dominate the urban lower classes and make it impossible. We know that if they rise up, it will just get worse.

    The dilemma of Brussels vs. national states is a distraction: there is not much difference between the two, the ruling class is the same. EU has some positive features that nobody wants to lose.

    It is a zugzwang…a situation where any move will only make it worse. In chess sometimes a simple pawn is able to upset the whole chessboard, that gives us hope. In the meantime having a designated satan-enemy in Russia is a convenient stopgap measure, a kind of a solution…all the scre…ed up things can be dismissed with “but Putin!“…we also see it here.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow


    What could trigger the change?
     
    A 2nd Trump presidency might incite some change, but even that probably isn't likely. I think you're right, on present trends there isn't much hope for "Europe" (in whatever configuration) becoming an independent geopolitical actor. Transatlanticism is too entrenched. 20 or 30 years ago there was at least some criticism of the US in the mainstream, and that was also quite pronounced in the Cold War, but that's totally gone now, despite the US being continually in some kind of war for the last decades and behaving in unhinged ways that should generate some desire for distance (you also see the same regarding Israel btw, has really been shocking for me how much sympathy it gets from the establishment, certainly in Germany, despite its recent actions being so much worse than anything since at least the 1948 war, when the context was very different). The people in power in Europe today and those dominating public discourse identify completely with the Atlanticist system, and also seem to identify their own vision of societal transformation ("our" liberal democracy) with perpetual alignment in it.
    That brings us to the migrants. Of course that's something a lot of people here like to ignore, arguing as if it were 1950 or so. But in reality the on-going changes are fundamental. It probably will be only a few years, say 2030 or so, until a majority of children under 5 in Germany will have migrant background. Now a part of that are at least other Europeans, but the direction of change is still clear, unless some drastic political change happens in the next few years (which is unlikely), Germany in any traditional sense will be gone in the 2nd half of this century, having been replaced with some sort of multiethnic conglomerate with an ever increasing presence of people from Africa and the Islamic world. Similarly throughout Western Europe. That's the elephant in the room people don't want to address, and which renders all that talk about geopolitical issues, re-arming against some Russian military threat (which in reality is largely hypothetical, except possibly in the Baltics) etc. somewhat irrelevant and disconnected from reality.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Beckow

  811. @sudden death
    @songbird

    Obviously, it's not a question of very immediate timeline, but thanx to chimpanzee gang in Kremlin, precedents of cities that far from borders, but changing hands (e,g. Kherson) were also created recently;)

    Replies: @songbird

    precedents of cities that far from borders, but changing hands (e,g. Kherson) were also created recently;)

    What you seem to want is a precedent, where they have multi-warhead ICBMs, with H-bombs.

    Since you seem to be implying that the Chinese are waiting for precedent, guess that would be Canada or Mexico invading the US, or Germany or Spain invading France? Or, maybe, some Arab state invading Israel and seeing whether they use the Sampson Option?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @songbird

    According to RF official docs such as their constitution, UA invaded nuclear RF (state with multi-warhead ICBMs, with H-bombs, etc) and captured RF owned city of Kherson;)

    Replies: @songbird

  812. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...after this partition there will probably be temptation for many around the world to do the same
     
    It has always been there, there is no 'after this'. You hate it when people remind you of the Nato attack on Serbia...the ethnic cleansing of Serbs and the 'partition'. But there is no way to walk away from it.

    It seems to me that in Ukraine the ethnic expulsions-departures have worked both ways, Ukies went to the centre-west, Russians probably left for Russia or moved to the Russian controlled regions. You have to hold the post-Maidan Kiev responsible for that - the slogans, discriminatory laws, massacres, bombing of Donbas...they broke the united Ukraine, no matter how imperfect and quarrelsome. It can't be put back together.

    Yours and the Euro elites' inability to admit it was a fatal mistake and criminal is the root of the problem. You talk only about one side's suffering - it is absurd, it won't get you anywhere. The West needs to admit that Kiev was wrong to bomb Donbas, to let Russians be murdered in Odessa, to ban the Russian language in schools...you don't seem capable of doing it. So it will end in a total defeat for your side...there is a high price to pay for acting irrationally and criminally against a more powerful enemy. But you seem stuck in your side's victimhood, it is a dead end.

    Replies: @LatW

    It has always been there, there is no ‘after this’.

    Yes, but the relative post 1945 stability was still in place up until 2022, even though it was gradually being eroded. And simultaneously the security vacuum in Eastern Europe was never sufficiently closed (in line with the interests of the EE nations). That was the mistake of the previous generation. Or maybe it wasn’t possible.

    You hate it when people remind you of the Nato attack on Serbia…the ethnic cleansing of Serbs and the ‘partition’. But there is no way to walk away from it.

    There were objective internal problems there and a geopolitical aspect (closeness to Central Europe). Of course, it doesn’t justify aggression towards them from the ethical point of view, but there was aggression from the Serb side as well. That conflict, no matter how painful, was also more regionally contained than the war in Ukraine – the invasion of Ukraine affects a much larger number of people and involves broader geographies.

    It seems to me that in Ukraine the ethnic expulsions-departures have worked both ways, Ukies went to the centre-west, Russians probably left for Russia or moved to the Russian controlled regions.

    The problem is that those Ukrainians of Donbas who were pushed out of their homes, many of whom had lived there for generations, do not have a chance to return and live under a government that provides them with all the rights they deserve, instead there is severe abuse of anyone who is pro-Ukrainian there.

    You have to hold the post-Maidan Kiev responsible for that

    The problem is that there was an intervention from the Russian side – yes, the locals did have an objective disagreement with Kyiv, but, as we have spoken here many times before, RusFed provided the rebels with weapons and RusFed operators were present not only in the East, but also in Kyiv itself. There had also been a large annexation (Crimea) – you can argue tirelessly about “whose is Crimea”, etc., but the truth is is that if you annex a part of a country, it is only natural that that country will view those who did the annexation and supported it with suspicion (to put it mildly). This would happen in any country (or even tribe).

    The West needs to admit that Kiev was wrong to bomb Donbas, to let Russians be murdered in Odessa

    You can’t really force the West to admit anything, you can call them hypocritical or what not, but the West is mostly concerned with their own civilization. This is the harsh reality despite the fact that there is also an attempt to present overarching standards of international rules and moral standards.

    Similarly, the so called “Russian world” are only concerned with their own interests and they will never admit that Russia has bombed civilian homes in Syria or in Ukraine, or that Russia operates torture facilities in E.Ukraine. None of this will be admitted, much less repented – at least, probably not in the 45+ generation.

    Of course, what happened to the Donbas population was very unjust – with regards to non-militanrs (although some of them were connected to the rebels). What had to be done, was a special operation very early on to suppress the militants (or possibly even earlier, there was a moment when they had not yet put the balaclavas on, along with calming down the population – maybe it was not possible, maybe it was, hard to say – this, too, would’ve required a major operation of special forces, those types of areas in EE are not heavily policed normally, people are used to living freely so they were complacent about the severity of the conflict and what consequences it can lead to). There was a deliberate attempt by Russia to create an insurgency there (Surkov’s plan). There were media fakes as well, to stoke up the fire.

    [MORE]

    As to Odessa, I’ve already told you several times, but once again, in this case as well, the military police and the forces for the crowd control needed to be brought in much earlier. If you look at the footage, it is absolutely insane. It is possible that this was not done, on purpose, by the local police heads, to allow a pro-Russian insurgency in Odessa to start. Or it may have just been chaos – what was happening there could already be qualified as small scale war. Once again, it is understandable that the Ukrainians were upset and wanted to defend themselves, since they were already seeing their country being carved up in the East. But, of course, the situation should have never been allowed to get that far – there should’ve not just crowd control there, but troops and the national guard units. They were complacent (or were not able to mobilize the resources fast enough).

    Do not look down on the Eastern Slavic people for going through these ordeals just because they lacked the ability to control this chaos – their circumstances are much more complex and unstable than in other places. The E.Slavic people typically do not police each other as much (they sometimes just let things slide) and they may not have been able to plan everything ahead.

    there is a high price to pay for acting irrationally and criminally against a more powerful enemy.

    You have no way of telling how powerful they really are. If we are gone, it will be you who will have to face this (of course, your small nation wouldn’t be able to handle anything like this). For now you can sleep peacefully – the men from Azov are fighting so that you don’t have to deal with it.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...it will be you who will have to face this - of course, your small nation wouldn’t be able to handle anything like this
     
    But we have no quarrel with Russia - why would there be a problem? You invent a bizarre non-existent Russian "plan" to occupy countries further west - it is only the usual desperate attempt to pull others into your fight with Russia.

    Our experience with Russia is mostly positive - they were on our side against the Habsburgs and liberated us from Germans in WW2. We were on the same side fighting the Turks. The only time Russia did something against us was in 1968 when they forced a more orthodox commie group on us. vs. a more 'liberal' one. We also understand that Russia is the only possible counter-weight if our Western neighbours go again crazy. Or Poland and Turkey. You should see Russia that way too. Balance is good.


    You can’t really force the West to admit anything, you can call them hypocritical or what not, but the West is mostly concerned with their own civilization.
     
    Everybody is...and Russia too. But it will be decided by force, by who is stronger in the region. That is Russia - so let's drop the moralistic talk and focus on how to make the best deal.

    the invasion of Ukraine affects a much larger number of people and involves broader geographies.
     
    Yes, but the issues and principles are similar to the Nato attack on Serbia. There is always a lot of guilt on all sides in these conflicts - don't play the Ukies as saints. And disorganization or chaos don't excuse it. Most importantly, Nato did it first - they set a precedent for changing borders by force. You can't undo it.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW, @AP

  813. @songbird
    @sudden death


    precedents of cities that far from borders, but changing hands (e,g. Kherson) were also created recently;)
     
    What you seem to want is a precedent, where they have multi-warhead ICBMs, with H-bombs.

    Since you seem to be implying that the Chinese are waiting for precedent, guess that would be Canada or Mexico invading the US, or Germany or Spain invading France? Or, maybe, some Arab state invading Israel and seeing whether they use the Sampson Option?

    Replies: @sudden death

    According to RF official docs such as their constitution, UA invaded nuclear RF (state with multi-warhead ICBMs, with H-bombs, etc) and captured RF owned city of Kherson;)

    • Replies: @songbird
    @sudden death

    Guess both Russia and Ukraine have crazy constitutions. But if they are like the US, they won't be obeyed?

    Replies: @sudden death, @LatW

  814. @sudden death
    @songbird

    According to RF official docs such as their constitution, UA invaded nuclear RF (state with multi-warhead ICBMs, with H-bombs, etc) and captured RF owned city of Kherson;)

    Replies: @songbird

    Guess both Russia and Ukraine have crazy constitutions. But if they are like the US, they won’t be obeyed?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @songbird


    they won’t be obeyed?
     
    Most probably, therefore China could have a hope to return into several centuries old boundaries at the expense of RF;)

    Replies: @songbird

    , @LatW
    @songbird


    Guess both Russia and Ukraine have crazy constitutions.
     
    That's just not an appropriate comparison. Russia literally occupied parts of another country and immediately put that in its constitution claiming it as their territory. Ukraine never did anything that crazy to their constitution. Putting NATO aspirations in their constitution maybe was far fetched and maybe the constitution is not the right place for that but it's nowhere near as crazy as what Russia did. Now Ukraine is forced to go against the very state of Russia because of this. Imagine if another state did that, everyone would be appalled.

    Replies: @songbird

  815. @LatW
    @Beckow


    It has always been there, there is no ‘after this’.
     
    Yes, but the relative post 1945 stability was still in place up until 2022, even though it was gradually being eroded. And simultaneously the security vacuum in Eastern Europe was never sufficiently closed (in line with the interests of the EE nations). That was the mistake of the previous generation. Or maybe it wasn't possible.

    You hate it when people remind you of the Nato attack on Serbia…the ethnic cleansing of Serbs and the ‘partition’. But there is no way to walk away from it.
     
    There were objective internal problems there and a geopolitical aspect (closeness to Central Europe). Of course, it doesn't justify aggression towards them from the ethical point of view, but there was aggression from the Serb side as well. That conflict, no matter how painful, was also more regionally contained than the war in Ukraine - the invasion of Ukraine affects a much larger number of people and involves broader geographies.

    It seems to me that in Ukraine the ethnic expulsions-departures have worked both ways, Ukies went to the centre-west, Russians probably left for Russia or moved to the Russian controlled regions.

     

    The problem is that those Ukrainians of Donbas who were pushed out of their homes, many of whom had lived there for generations, do not have a chance to return and live under a government that provides them with all the rights they deserve, instead there is severe abuse of anyone who is pro-Ukrainian there.

    You have to hold the post-Maidan Kiev responsible for that
     

    The problem is that there was an intervention from the Russian side - yes, the locals did have an objective disagreement with Kyiv, but, as we have spoken here many times before, RusFed provided the rebels with weapons and RusFed operators were present not only in the East, but also in Kyiv itself. There had also been a large annexation (Crimea) - you can argue tirelessly about "whose is Crimea", etc., but the truth is is that if you annex a part of a country, it is only natural that that country will view those who did the annexation and supported it with suspicion (to put it mildly). This would happen in any country (or even tribe).

    The West needs to admit that Kiev was wrong to bomb Donbas, to let Russians be murdered in Odessa

     

    You can't really force the West to admit anything, you can call them hypocritical or what not, but the West is mostly concerned with their own civilization. This is the harsh reality despite the fact that there is also an attempt to present overarching standards of international rules and moral standards.

    Similarly, the so called "Russian world" are only concerned with their own interests and they will never admit that Russia has bombed civilian homes in Syria or in Ukraine, or that Russia operates torture facilities in E.Ukraine. None of this will be admitted, much less repented - at least, probably not in the 45+ generation.

    Of course, what happened to the Donbas population was very unjust - with regards to non-militanrs (although some of them were connected to the rebels). What had to be done, was a special operation very early on to suppress the militants (or possibly even earlier, there was a moment when they had not yet put the balaclavas on, along with calming down the population - maybe it was not possible, maybe it was, hard to say - this, too, would've required a major operation of special forces, those types of areas in EE are not heavily policed normally, people are used to living freely so they were complacent about the severity of the conflict and what consequences it can lead to). There was a deliberate attempt by Russia to create an insurgency there (Surkov's plan). There were media fakes as well, to stoke up the fire.

    As to Odessa, I've already told you several times, but once again, in this case as well, the military police and the forces for the crowd control needed to be brought in much earlier. If you look at the footage, it is absolutely insane. It is possible that this was not done, on purpose, by the local police heads, to allow a pro-Russian insurgency in Odessa to start. Or it may have just been chaos - what was happening there could already be qualified as small scale war. Once again, it is understandable that the Ukrainians were upset and wanted to defend themselves, since they were already seeing their country being carved up in the East. But, of course, the situation should have never been allowed to get that far - there should've not just crowd control there, but troops and the national guard units. They were complacent (or were not able to mobilize the resources fast enough).

    Do not look down on the Eastern Slavic people for going through these ordeals just because they lacked the ability to control this chaos - their circumstances are much more complex and unstable than in other places. The E.Slavic people typically do not police each other as much (they sometimes just let things slide) and they may not have been able to plan everything ahead.


    there is a high price to pay for acting irrationally and criminally against a more powerful enemy.
     
    You have no way of telling how powerful they really are. If we are gone, it will be you who will have to face this (of course, your small nation wouldn't be able to handle anything like this). For now you can sleep peacefully - the men from Azov are fighting so that you don't have to deal with it.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …it will be you who will have to face this – of course, your small nation wouldn’t be able to handle anything like this

    But we have no quarrel with Russia – why would there be a problem? You invent a bizarre non-existent Russian “plan” to occupy countries further west – it is only the usual desperate attempt to pull others into your fight with Russia.

    Our experience with Russia is mostly positive – they were on our side against the Habsburgs and liberated us from Germans in WW2. We were on the same side fighting the Turks. The only time Russia did something against us was in 1968 when they forced a more orthodox commie group on us. vs. a more ‘liberal’ one. We also understand that Russia is the only possible counter-weight if our Western neighbours go again crazy. Or Poland and Turkey. You should see Russia that way too. Balance is good.

    You can’t really force the West to admit anything, you can call them hypocritical or what not, but the West is mostly concerned with their own civilization.

    Everybody is…and Russia too. But it will be decided by force, by who is stronger in the region. That is Russia – so let’s drop the moralistic talk and focus on how to make the best deal.

    the invasion of Ukraine affects a much larger number of people and involves broader geographies.

    Yes, but the issues and principles are similar to the Nato attack on Serbia. There is always a lot of guilt on all sides in these conflicts – don’t play the Ukies as saints. And disorganization or chaos don’t excuse it. Most importantly, Nato did it first – they set a precedent for changing borders by force. You can’t undo it.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    But we have no quarrel with Russia – why would there be a problem?
     
    Well, first of all, you have supplied Ukraine with some military assistance - so Russia may not like that (will probably not remember this fondly). Second, you are small and not very strong on your own - this means that by definition they will bully you. Third, you yourself stated at least several times that you would not be looking forward to living next door to Ukraine that's fully occupied by the RusFed (you yourself don't want to be under the so called Russian sphere of influence yet you push for Ukraine and others to be swamped by it). You also admitted something along the lines of - the "East is messy" - oh, yes, it can be, and Russia in particular will often export instability. So you have come into contradictions with your own positions.

    And just remember - that this new RusFed is not really like the Soviet Union, but much worse in some ways, it is some kind of a new hybrid, that incorporates things such as penal battalions from the Caucasus and a high tech state surveillance system without any public accountability.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Beckow, @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @LatW
    @Beckow


    Most importantly, Nato did it first – they set a precedent for changing borders by force. You can’t undo it.
     
    Without delving into the Yugoslavia situation right now (those borders had already changed nor do I feel right now like defending the NATO action), but even if one accepts what you say - that "NATO did it first" - that's not really what matters in the big picture right now. Yes, the principle matters - but why continue chaos and violence and destruction of the international order? Especially to this extent? It's your own kids and grandkids eventually who will have to live in such a world - you might think you are safe now, tucked away, with others fighting and keeping the danger at bay - but historically Slovakia is not located in the safest region on the planet, you are not New Zealand. Remember that what's really holding the barrier are the large Ukrainian cities in the East and Central Ukraine, the Western part is mostly small towns that, in the worst case scenario for Ukraine and the West, would be easily overrun.

    As to what is needed for Europe to become a geopolitical center - it is patient and diligent work, above all (building up the armaments industry and tech). The army would not even be that difficult to assemble - there are already almost 2M active duty troops, it's possible to add a bit more with some effort (that would be a commitment but it shouldn't be backbreaking), the key would be improving mobility and coordination. Yes, there is still the leadership and morale issue, we will see how those evolve.

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    Our experience with Russia is mostly positive –
     
    Because you don't border Russia and were never ruled by Moscow until ~1950-1990. Not coincidentally, this is the time for your negative experiences.

    Those who bordered Russia and/or were ruled by it have extremely negative opinions of Russia. Poles, Balts, Finns, Georgians, Ukrainians. Unless they are highly Russified like the Belarussians.

    If you were a little more thoughtful or honest with yourself you would think about what that means about Russia.


    they [Russians] were on our side against the Habsburgs
     
    They crushed the Hungarians at the invitation of the Hapsburgs.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

  816. @songbird
    @sudden death

    Guess both Russia and Ukraine have crazy constitutions. But if they are like the US, they won't be obeyed?

    Replies: @sudden death, @LatW

    they won’t be obeyed?

    Most probably, therefore China could have a hope to return into several centuries old boundaries at the expense of RF;)

    • Replies: @songbird
    @sudden death


    Most probably, therefore China could have a hope to return into several centuries old boundaries at the expense of RF;)
     
    Egad, several centuries? Don't want to sound like a pessimist, but I think plenty of countries won't be around by then in the same form as now.

    I'd be very surprised if anyone was still speaking German, let alone the Baltic languages, or Irish. I think Europeans will have a new ethnogenesis. Possibly even East Asians will amalgamate together.

    I think by then, the territorial conflicts might be in space.

    Replies: @sudden death, @LatW

  817. @German_reader
    @Sher Singh


    The political discussion on here is at the level of celebrity gossip.
     
    True enough. I don't think I'm motivated to go on Telegram though (probably should give up on internet commenting anyway, pointless after all). But thanks for the suggestion.

    Even Silvio
     
    iirc he implied that he's busy with some sort of sexual relationship.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Thoughts?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Sher Singh

    I googled, apparently it's from Patrick Deneen, Why Liberalism failed.
    If I understand correctly, he's using liberalism in the present-day American sense (which is different from 19th century laissez-faire liberalism). But his argument is "classical" and "progressive" liberalism are actually connected and reinforcing each other, despite their superficial differences? Would have to read more to really understand his argument (though there are also cultural barriers to that...the US context is very different from western Europe, even from Britain I'd say).

    , @Coconuts
    @Sher Singh

    It reminds me of what Carl Schmitt was saying in his book on the institution of dictatorship about the 'dictatorship of reason', he also says some similar things in Crisis of Parliamentary Democracy.... This is when the rationale for instituting authoritarian rule by a minority comes from the perceived need to educate the citizenry in democratic and liberal values and protect it against reactionary or backward influences. The idea of 'Progress' in a strong form might be invoked to justify this.

    Jacobinism may be similar to this, drawing on the idea that a minority can have a better understanding of the General Will than the majority (the majority can be considered to be confused or ignorant about the content of their own wills in this case), so the revolutionary minority has a right to rule in the name of democracy.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sher Singh

    THEY ARE A THREAT TO FREE SPEECH AND THEY MUST BE SILENCED.

    Good morning whatever your time zone.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9BEb0Wmb_I

  818. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Why do you focus on minutia? Is that the way you cope with the ongoing disaster for Kiev-Nato?

    Did you have an answer as to why the pro-Putin/anti-Jewish posters at Unz ignore Putin's Jews? Any theories on that? They seem unable to answer that question so maybe you can help them.

    I agree that the war is a disaster. The Russian military is the laughing stock of the world and Putin still hasn't taken Avdiivka despite starting the war with a 1:8 infantry advantage.

    Once again Putin is sending meat waves for a city that is already in ruins.

    Putin is here to liberate your life and destroy your home city.

    World is impressed.

    How about some video of liberated Bakhmut:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9fDOL87S1w

    So much better with Russian involvement.

    This was a bad plan and it is costing a lot of Ukie lives (and Western treasure).

    It was Putin's plan to have a 2.5 week special operation. Did you forget about that?

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC

    The Nato plan to move into Ukraine to better threaten Russia has failed. Your feverish hysteria – sorry, but you are clearly going insane – is the result of that loss. You can’t admit it to yourself, so you lie that you never wanted it anyway – or alternatively that there is still hope it will happen. And the best one: your sour grapes.

    The WalMart morons running the world…it’s not going to happen. Just calm down.

  819. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...it will be you who will have to face this - of course, your small nation wouldn’t be able to handle anything like this
     
    But we have no quarrel with Russia - why would there be a problem? You invent a bizarre non-existent Russian "plan" to occupy countries further west - it is only the usual desperate attempt to pull others into your fight with Russia.

    Our experience with Russia is mostly positive - they were on our side against the Habsburgs and liberated us from Germans in WW2. We were on the same side fighting the Turks. The only time Russia did something against us was in 1968 when they forced a more orthodox commie group on us. vs. a more 'liberal' one. We also understand that Russia is the only possible counter-weight if our Western neighbours go again crazy. Or Poland and Turkey. You should see Russia that way too. Balance is good.


    You can’t really force the West to admit anything, you can call them hypocritical or what not, but the West is mostly concerned with their own civilization.
     
    Everybody is...and Russia too. But it will be decided by force, by who is stronger in the region. That is Russia - so let's drop the moralistic talk and focus on how to make the best deal.

    the invasion of Ukraine affects a much larger number of people and involves broader geographies.
     
    Yes, but the issues and principles are similar to the Nato attack on Serbia. There is always a lot of guilt on all sides in these conflicts - don't play the Ukies as saints. And disorganization or chaos don't excuse it. Most importantly, Nato did it first - they set a precedent for changing borders by force. You can't undo it.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW, @AP

    But we have no quarrel with Russia – why would there be a problem?

    Well, first of all, you have supplied Ukraine with some military assistance – so Russia may not like that (will probably not remember this fondly). Second, you are small and not very strong on your own – this means that by definition they will bully you. Third, you yourself stated at least several times that you would not be looking forward to living next door to Ukraine that’s fully occupied by the RusFed (you yourself don’t want to be under the so called Russian sphere of influence yet you push for Ukraine and others to be swamped by it). You also admitted something along the lines of – the “East is messy” – oh, yes, it can be, and Russia in particular will often export instability. So you have come into contradictions with your own positions.

    And just remember – that this new RusFed is not really like the Soviet Union, but much worse in some ways, it is some kind of a new hybrid, that incorporates things such as penal battalions from the Caucasus and a high tech state surveillance system without any public accountability.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @LatW


    And just remember – that this new RusFed is not really like the Soviet Union, but much worse in some ways...
     
    It's strange but Soviet ideology and political ideas can provide reasons to be suspicious of the RF as a political entity. Like the chapter in Bukharin's and Preobrazhensky's book ABC of Communism about Communism and nationality, my wife uses arguments similar to the ones in there. I guess it is because in Belarus they still appeal to some of this Soviet material in a more unfiltered way than in the RF on the nationality issue.
    , @Beckow
    @LatW


    you are small and not very strong on your own – they (Russia) will bully you.

     

    We are also normal and don't seek conflict. Bullying is everywhere all the time - what is Brussels and US are doing if not bullying? The only time Russia bullied us was when they insisted for after WW2 that we have a particular commie system (it wasn't all bad either)...what are they going to bully us about? To buy their gas and how to vote in UN? Today Brussels insists we take migrants, have LGBQTW celebrations, buy useless weapons and send soldiers to fight in Third World sh..tholes...

    There is no contradiction in correctly describing reality with varied strains and trade-offs. EU is also full of contradictions - good, bad, changing over time.


    not be looking forward to living next door to Ukraine that’s fully occupied by the RusFed
     
    Yes, that would not be a good thing but I doubt it will come to that. The unhinged nationalist Ukraine with Bandera marchers, wild-eyed refugees smuggling cabbage pots and stealing our cars is not great either. It is messy.

    What grinds on us most is the incredible stupidity and the teary-eyed Euro-devotion that the Ukies display - they abandoned who they are, offer themselves for sale, demand, beg, lack spine and self-awareness. We have some people like that and this feeds them. I don't mind messy but this is a depressing nihilism.

    Maidan was a fatal mistake - the Ukies opted to destroy their own country hoping for salvation from people who care nothing for them and only want to use them to hurt Russians. You don't get to export your mistakes: we told you it was stupid, now you see it, it is too late. Nature is like that...

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    You could use a more productive fantasy life. Less Stanley Kubrick and more Alan Moore.

    https://www.amazon.com/Hecate-Black-Arts-Liber-Necromantia/dp/B09TDPHHRL/

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

  820. @songbird
    @sudden death

    Guess both Russia and Ukraine have crazy constitutions. But if they are like the US, they won't be obeyed?

    Replies: @sudden death, @LatW

    Guess both Russia and Ukraine have crazy constitutions.

    That’s just not an appropriate comparison. Russia literally occupied parts of another country and immediately put that in its constitution claiming it as their territory. Ukraine never did anything that crazy to their constitution. Putting NATO aspirations in their constitution maybe was far fetched and maybe the constitution is not the right place for that but it’s nowhere near as crazy as what Russia did. Now Ukraine is forced to go against the very state of Russia because of this. Imagine if another state did that, everyone would be appalled.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW


    That’s just not an appropriate comparison. Russia literally occupied parts of another country and immediately put that in its constitution claiming it as their territory.
     
    IMO, it actually makes a little more sense, as they held it at the time, and so can have hopes of recapturing it (whether they will or not). Whereas, Crimea is not territory that Ukraine has ever captured and historically is difficult to capture and they are the underdog.

    Of course, I think both are crazy, as they create obstacles to peace. Never tie your hands at the negotiating table, I'd say.
    _________
    One of these days, I would like to work with A123 to turn GR to the Darkside, and make him an American.

    Replies: @German_reader

  821. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...it will be you who will have to face this - of course, your small nation wouldn’t be able to handle anything like this
     
    But we have no quarrel with Russia - why would there be a problem? You invent a bizarre non-existent Russian "plan" to occupy countries further west - it is only the usual desperate attempt to pull others into your fight with Russia.

    Our experience with Russia is mostly positive - they were on our side against the Habsburgs and liberated us from Germans in WW2. We were on the same side fighting the Turks. The only time Russia did something against us was in 1968 when they forced a more orthodox commie group on us. vs. a more 'liberal' one. We also understand that Russia is the only possible counter-weight if our Western neighbours go again crazy. Or Poland and Turkey. You should see Russia that way too. Balance is good.


    You can’t really force the West to admit anything, you can call them hypocritical or what not, but the West is mostly concerned with their own civilization.
     
    Everybody is...and Russia too. But it will be decided by force, by who is stronger in the region. That is Russia - so let's drop the moralistic talk and focus on how to make the best deal.

    the invasion of Ukraine affects a much larger number of people and involves broader geographies.
     
    Yes, but the issues and principles are similar to the Nato attack on Serbia. There is always a lot of guilt on all sides in these conflicts - don't play the Ukies as saints. And disorganization or chaos don't excuse it. Most importantly, Nato did it first - they set a precedent for changing borders by force. You can't undo it.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW, @AP

    Most importantly, Nato did it first – they set a precedent for changing borders by force. You can’t undo it.

    Without delving into the Yugoslavia situation right now (those borders had already changed nor do I feel right now like defending the NATO action), but even if one accepts what you say – that “NATO did it first” – that’s not really what matters in the big picture right now. Yes, the principle matters – but why continue chaos and violence and destruction of the international order? Especially to this extent? It’s your own kids and grandkids eventually who will have to live in such a world – you might think you are safe now, tucked away, with others fighting and keeping the danger at bay – but historically Slovakia is not located in the safest region on the planet, you are not New Zealand. Remember that what’s really holding the barrier are the large Ukrainian cities in the East and Central Ukraine, the Western part is mostly small towns that, in the worst case scenario for Ukraine and the West, would be easily overrun.

    As to what is needed for Europe to become a geopolitical center – it is patient and diligent work, above all (building up the armaments industry and tech). The army would not even be that difficult to assemble – there are already almost 2M active duty troops, it’s possible to add a bit more with some effort (that would be a commitment but it shouldn’t be backbreaking), the key would be improving mobility and coordination. Yes, there is still the leadership and morale issue, we will see how those evolve.

  822. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...Change would require a revolutionary change in mentality.
     
    I agree, the way Europe is today it is impossible.

    What could trigger the change? The continent and its people seem in a daze, with no serious leaders around, obeying the masters across the Atlantic. Euros are governed by a corrupt, petty, slightly perverted and weak elites...If the large in-house migrant population was not there, one could imagine a traditional bottoms-up change with a new more dynamic people rising up...but the migrants dominate the urban lower classes and make it impossible. We know that if they rise up, it will just get worse.

    The dilemma of Brussels vs. national states is a distraction: there is not much difference between the two, the ruling class is the same. EU has some positive features that nobody wants to lose.

    It is a zugzwang...a situation where any move will only make it worse. In chess sometimes a simple pawn is able to upset the whole chessboard, that gives us hope. In the meantime having a designated satan-enemy in Russia is a convenient stopgap measure, a kind of a solution...all the scre...ed up things can be dismissed with "but Putin!"...we also see it here.

    Replies: @German_reader

    What could trigger the change?

    A 2nd Trump presidency might incite some change, but even that probably isn’t likely. I think you’re right, on present trends there isn’t much hope for “Europe” (in whatever configuration) becoming an independent geopolitical actor. Transatlanticism is too entrenched. 20 or 30 years ago there was at least some criticism of the US in the mainstream, and that was also quite pronounced in the Cold War, but that’s totally gone now, despite the US being continually in some kind of war for the last decades and behaving in unhinged ways that should generate some desire for distance (you also see the same regarding Israel btw, has really been shocking for me how much sympathy it gets from the establishment, certainly in Germany, despite its recent actions being so much worse than anything since at least the 1948 war, when the context was very different). The people in power in Europe today and those dominating public discourse identify completely with the Atlanticist system, and also seem to identify their own vision of societal transformation (“our” liberal democracy) with perpetual alignment in it.
    That brings us to the migrants. Of course that’s something a lot of people here like to ignore, arguing as if it were 1950 or so. But in reality the on-going changes are fundamental. It probably will be only a few years, say 2030 or so, until a majority of children under 5 in Germany will have migrant background. Now a part of that are at least other Europeans, but the direction of change is still clear, unless some drastic political change happens in the next few years (which is unlikely), Germany in any traditional sense will be gone in the 2nd half of this century, having been replaced with some sort of multiethnic conglomerate with an ever increasing presence of people from Africa and the Islamic world. Similarly throughout Western Europe. That’s the elephant in the room people don’t want to address, and which renders all that talk about geopolitical issues, re-arming against some Russian military threat (which in reality is largely hypothetical, except possibly in the Baltics) etc. somewhat irrelevant and disconnected from reality.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @German_reader

    I was going to write a reply to what you were writing in an earlier post here:


    Those Soviet boomer talking points really are just the mirror image of the ideology dominating the West, not a true alternative.
     
    Then you just beat me to it with this:

    Of course that’s something a lot of people here like to ignore, arguing as if it were 1950 or so. But in reality the on-going changes are fundamental. It probably will be only a few years, say 2030 or so, until a majority of children under 5 in Germany will have migrant background. Now a part of that are at least other Europeans, but the direction of change is still clear, unless some drastic political change happens in the next few years (which is unlikely), Germany in any traditional sense will be gone in the 2nd half of this century, having been replaced with some sort of multiethnic conglomerate with an ever increasing presence of people from Africa and the Islamic world. Similarly throughout Western Europe.
     
    I was going to say that the demographic change going on in Western countries is producing versions of anti-imperialism and critique of the West that are more significant and impactful than the Soviet era versions, and these projects are being generated and implemented within Western institutions themselves.

    At the same time this is quite a weird and novel thing to see happening, so any response to it will probably have to come from internal sources, as people in Western countries find ways to process and understand it. I think you are right that the change is going to be obvious and perceptible, and come about quickly. I've been thinking that this may mark the final end of the 'boomer' or post-war cultural and political era, at least in Western Europe.

    , @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...Germany in any traditional sense will be gone in the 2nd half of this century
     
    That's the only thing that matters and it is not reversible. One way to mitigate it is with selective assimilation and inter-marriage - but the influx would have to stop. The dynamic is pushing us the other way: chain migration with no limits, getting the native Euro population out of large cities and many desirable areas.

    One has to assume it was intentional: remake Europe to be like the dis-functional shallow mess in US-Canada. It makes the Atlanticists feel at home - they screwed up the new continent, now on to screwing up the old one.

    Trump is a canary in the coal mine - he says the right stuff, but it is mostly talk. If you recall the canary tale, the purpose is to let the miners know so they can escape. Trump makes it visible but he can't change it. The institutional stranglehold is complete - it is like the pre-Reformation Church, they got it all.

    The globo-libs have everything going for them except results. But it is a zuzwang and I am not looking forward to any attempted changes, it will make it worse at the beginning.

  823. German_reader says:
    @Sher Singh
    @German_reader

    https://twitter.com/51khR3nai55nce/status/1756170304416841843?s=20

    Thoughts?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Coconuts, @Emil Nikola Richard

    I googled, apparently it’s from Patrick Deneen, Why Liberalism failed.
    If I understand correctly, he’s using liberalism in the present-day American sense (which is different from 19th century laissez-faire liberalism). But his argument is “classical” and “progressive” liberalism are actually connected and reinforcing each other, despite their superficial differences? Would have to read more to really understand his argument (though there are also cultural barriers to that…the US context is very different from western Europe, even from Britain I’d say).

  824. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    What could trigger the change?
     
    A 2nd Trump presidency might incite some change, but even that probably isn't likely. I think you're right, on present trends there isn't much hope for "Europe" (in whatever configuration) becoming an independent geopolitical actor. Transatlanticism is too entrenched. 20 or 30 years ago there was at least some criticism of the US in the mainstream, and that was also quite pronounced in the Cold War, but that's totally gone now, despite the US being continually in some kind of war for the last decades and behaving in unhinged ways that should generate some desire for distance (you also see the same regarding Israel btw, has really been shocking for me how much sympathy it gets from the establishment, certainly in Germany, despite its recent actions being so much worse than anything since at least the 1948 war, when the context was very different). The people in power in Europe today and those dominating public discourse identify completely with the Atlanticist system, and also seem to identify their own vision of societal transformation ("our" liberal democracy) with perpetual alignment in it.
    That brings us to the migrants. Of course that's something a lot of people here like to ignore, arguing as if it were 1950 or so. But in reality the on-going changes are fundamental. It probably will be only a few years, say 2030 or so, until a majority of children under 5 in Germany will have migrant background. Now a part of that are at least other Europeans, but the direction of change is still clear, unless some drastic political change happens in the next few years (which is unlikely), Germany in any traditional sense will be gone in the 2nd half of this century, having been replaced with some sort of multiethnic conglomerate with an ever increasing presence of people from Africa and the Islamic world. Similarly throughout Western Europe. That's the elephant in the room people don't want to address, and which renders all that talk about geopolitical issues, re-arming against some Russian military threat (which in reality is largely hypothetical, except possibly in the Baltics) etc. somewhat irrelevant and disconnected from reality.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Beckow

    I was going to write a reply to what you were writing in an earlier post here:

    Those Soviet boomer talking points really are just the mirror image of the ideology dominating the West, not a true alternative.

    Then you just beat me to it with this:

    Of course that’s something a lot of people here like to ignore, arguing as if it were 1950 or so. But in reality the on-going changes are fundamental. It probably will be only a few years, say 2030 or so, until a majority of children under 5 in Germany will have migrant background. Now a part of that are at least other Europeans, but the direction of change is still clear, unless some drastic political change happens in the next few years (which is unlikely), Germany in any traditional sense will be gone in the 2nd half of this century, having been replaced with some sort of multiethnic conglomerate with an ever increasing presence of people from Africa and the Islamic world. Similarly throughout Western Europe.

    I was going to say that the demographic change going on in Western countries is producing versions of anti-imperialism and critique of the West that are more significant and impactful than the Soviet era versions, and these projects are being generated and implemented within Western institutions themselves.

    At the same time this is quite a weird and novel thing to see happening, so any response to it will probably have to come from internal sources, as people in Western countries find ways to process and understand it. I think you are right that the change is going to be obvious and perceptible, and come about quickly. I’ve been thinking that this may mark the final end of the ‘boomer’ or post-war cultural and political era, at least in Western Europe.

  825. @LatW
    @Beckow


    But we have no quarrel with Russia – why would there be a problem?
     
    Well, first of all, you have supplied Ukraine with some military assistance - so Russia may not like that (will probably not remember this fondly). Second, you are small and not very strong on your own - this means that by definition they will bully you. Third, you yourself stated at least several times that you would not be looking forward to living next door to Ukraine that's fully occupied by the RusFed (you yourself don't want to be under the so called Russian sphere of influence yet you push for Ukraine and others to be swamped by it). You also admitted something along the lines of - the "East is messy" - oh, yes, it can be, and Russia in particular will often export instability. So you have come into contradictions with your own positions.

    And just remember - that this new RusFed is not really like the Soviet Union, but much worse in some ways, it is some kind of a new hybrid, that incorporates things such as penal battalions from the Caucasus and a high tech state surveillance system without any public accountability.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Beckow, @Emil Nikola Richard

    And just remember – that this new RusFed is not really like the Soviet Union, but much worse in some ways…

    It’s strange but Soviet ideology and political ideas can provide reasons to be suspicious of the RF as a political entity. Like the chapter in Bukharin’s and Preobrazhensky’s book ABC of Communism about Communism and nationality, my wife uses arguments similar to the ones in there. I guess it is because in Belarus they still appeal to some of this Soviet material in a more unfiltered way than in the RF on the nationality issue.

  826. @Sher Singh
    @German_reader

    https://twitter.com/51khR3nai55nce/status/1756170304416841843?s=20

    Thoughts?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Coconuts, @Emil Nikola Richard

    It reminds me of what Carl Schmitt was saying in his book on the institution of dictatorship about the ‘dictatorship of reason’, he also says some similar things in Crisis of Parliamentary Democracy…. This is when the rationale for instituting authoritarian rule by a minority comes from the perceived need to educate the citizenry in democratic and liberal values and protect it against reactionary or backward influences. The idea of ‘Progress’ in a strong form might be invoked to justify this.

    Jacobinism may be similar to this, drawing on the idea that a minority can have a better understanding of the General Will than the majority (the majority can be considered to be confused or ignorant about the content of their own wills in this case), so the revolutionary minority has a right to rule in the name of democracy.

  827. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Why do you focus on minutia? Is that the way you cope with the ongoing disaster for Kiev-Nato?

    Did you have an answer as to why the pro-Putin/anti-Jewish posters at Unz ignore Putin's Jews? Any theories on that? They seem unable to answer that question so maybe you can help them.

    I agree that the war is a disaster. The Russian military is the laughing stock of the world and Putin still hasn't taken Avdiivka despite starting the war with a 1:8 infantry advantage.

    Once again Putin is sending meat waves for a city that is already in ruins.

    Putin is here to liberate your life and destroy your home city.

    World is impressed.

    How about some video of liberated Bakhmut:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9fDOL87S1w

    So much better with Russian involvement.

    This was a bad plan and it is costing a lot of Ukie lives (and Western treasure).

    It was Putin's plan to have a 2.5 week special operation. Did you forget about that?

    Replies: @Beckow, @QCIC

    I’m glad Kiev doesn’t look like this. I hope it stays that way.

  828. @songbird
    Guinea fowl appear to have an interesting reaction to snakes, one very unlike chickens:

    https://youtu.be/m2tzfPzlZGA?si=tgzg1HvgHm_0Pwb_

    Replies: @QCIC

    Supposedly, guinea fowl eat the ticks in an area so are good to have around if you are worried about tick-borne illnesses. They can be noisy so your neighbors may hate you.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @QCIC


    Supposedly, guinea fowl eat the ticks in an area so are good to have around if you are worried about tick-borne illnesses

     

    Have heard that too, but I wonder about it. Have never noticed chickens actually doing that. Not sure they have the necessary visual acuity to eat anything but engorged ticks, but maybe guineas have better eyes?

    They can be noisy so your neighbors may hate you.
     
    they make a rooster sound melodic.

    Think they are probably more agressive than chickens.

    Once caught them following a very elderly, blind dog, down a dirt road. Maybe, it was just an attempt at intimidation rather than attack.
  829. @AnonfromTN
    @AP

    As the EU and the UK obviously act against their interests on behest or the empire, by your definition they are American slaves, not vassals. I tried to be polite so far, but will call them that in the future.

    Replies: @A123, @AP

    In a feudal relationship, the suzerain is also obligated to take into account the needs of the vassal and to protect him. The relationship was mutual. If the suzerain failed to take care of the vassal, the vassal was free to find another.

    But Russian political culture only understands master and slave. The “vassal” must serve blindly – so, he s not really a vassal

    As the EU and the UK obviously act against their interests on behest or the empire, by your definition they are American slaves, not vassals

    Logic is hard for you. Here is an example of your “reasoning”:

    Trains have wheels.

    Your Subaru has wheels.

    Your Subaru is a train.

    Or about the relationship between the USA and the EU:

    EU has higher tariffs than the USA on similar products. USA is EU’s slave.

  830. @QCIC
    @songbird

    Supposedly, guinea fowl eat the ticks in an area so are good to have around if you are worried about tick-borne illnesses. They can be noisy so your neighbors may hate you.

    Replies: @songbird

    Supposedly, guinea fowl eat the ticks in an area so are good to have around if you are worried about tick-borne illnesses

    Have heard that too, but I wonder about it. Have never noticed chickens actually doing that. Not sure they have the necessary visual acuity to eat anything but engorged ticks, but maybe guineas have better eyes?

    They can be noisy so your neighbors may hate you.

    they make a rooster sound melodic.

    Think they are probably more agressive than chickens.

    Once caught them following a very elderly, blind dog, down a dirt road. Maybe, it was just an attempt at intimidation rather than attack.

  831. @sudden death
    @songbird


    they won’t be obeyed?
     
    Most probably, therefore China could have a hope to return into several centuries old boundaries at the expense of RF;)

    Replies: @songbird

    Most probably, therefore China could have a hope to return into several centuries old boundaries at the expense of RF;)

    Egad, several centuries? Don’t want to sound like a pessimist, but I think plenty of countries won’t be around by then in the same form as now.

    I’d be very surprised if anyone was still speaking German, let alone the Baltic languages, or Irish. I think Europeans will have a new ethnogenesis. Possibly even East Asians will amalgamate together.

    I think by then, the territorial conflicts might be in space.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @songbird

    Depending on circumstances, China expansion timeline might be coming earlier than after several centuries, just the approximate initial goal might look like 18th century map of North Asia;)

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @LatW
    @songbird


    I’d be very surprised if anyone was still speaking German, let alone the Baltic languages, or Irish.
     
    Not sure about Irish but German and the Baltic languages will very likely be spoken (unless there is some kind of a Fallout type of scenario). The speakers of the languages will remain, it's just that they will not be predominantly descended from those peoples. Given how many people are coming into the EU (and at least partially assimilating into the culture), it's probably safe to say that even smaller Indo-European languages will live longer than their respective European nations in their pure genetic form.

    Hopefully, it will not be all the so called kanackendeutch (Turkified German spoken by some German lower class boys). Probably not most of it.

    Also, several centuries is not even that long, you can count the generations that would be included there. Of course, the change is also faster than ever before.

    Replies: @songbird

  832. @songbird
    @sudden death


    Most probably, therefore China could have a hope to return into several centuries old boundaries at the expense of RF;)
     
    Egad, several centuries? Don't want to sound like a pessimist, but I think plenty of countries won't be around by then in the same form as now.

    I'd be very surprised if anyone was still speaking German, let alone the Baltic languages, or Irish. I think Europeans will have a new ethnogenesis. Possibly even East Asians will amalgamate together.

    I think by then, the territorial conflicts might be in space.

    Replies: @sudden death, @LatW

    Depending on circumstances, China expansion timeline might be coming earlier than after several centuries, just the approximate initial goal might look like 18th century map of North Asia;)

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @sudden death

    https://www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/asia/asia1789large.gif

    Replies: @songbird, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  833. @sudden death
    @songbird

    Depending on circumstances, China expansion timeline might be coming earlier than after several centuries, just the approximate initial goal might look like 18th century map of North Asia;)

    Replies: @sudden death

    • Replies: @songbird
    @sudden death

    Wow, and I thought I was a China bull! Not sure they are keen on invading easily defendable, densly-packed jungle. Am surprised you didn't go with the Horde. Wasn't Lithuania a tributary state for a few years?

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @sudden death

    Those were Qing Manchu-Mongol conquests. This is the last Han Chinese dynasty-- Ming

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Map-Qing_Dynasty_1616-en.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Northern_Yuan_and_Golden_Horde.svg

    The Oirats/Dzungars were liquidated by a tagteam between Russia and Qing, who signed Treaty of Nerchinsk in 1689.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Qing_Dzungar_wars.jpg

    Just like Stalin and Mao tagteamed to get back Manchuria/Xinjiang/Inner Mongolia/Tibet for PRC.

    Dzungars who migrated west became Kalmyks.

  834. @LatW
    @songbird


    Guess both Russia and Ukraine have crazy constitutions.
     
    That's just not an appropriate comparison. Russia literally occupied parts of another country and immediately put that in its constitution claiming it as their territory. Ukraine never did anything that crazy to their constitution. Putting NATO aspirations in their constitution maybe was far fetched and maybe the constitution is not the right place for that but it's nowhere near as crazy as what Russia did. Now Ukraine is forced to go against the very state of Russia because of this. Imagine if another state did that, everyone would be appalled.

    Replies: @songbird

    That’s just not an appropriate comparison. Russia literally occupied parts of another country and immediately put that in its constitution claiming it as their territory.

    IMO, it actually makes a little more sense, as they held it at the time, and so can have hopes of recapturing it (whether they will or not). Whereas, Crimea is not territory that Ukraine has ever captured and historically is difficult to capture and they are the underdog.

    Of course, I think both are crazy, as they create obstacles to peace. Never tie your hands at the negotiating table, I’d say.
    _________
    One of these days, I would like to work with A123 to turn GR to the Darkside, and make him an American.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    One of these days, I would like to work with A123 to turn GR to the Darkside, and make him an American.
     
    If you manage to repeal the 13th, 14th, 15th and 19th amendments and turn the US back into something like what Thomas Jefferson (or someone like Henry Clay) wanted it to be, I'd be very interested in emigrating to the US and becoming an American.
    But otherwise, I can't see the point.

    Replies: @songbird

  835. @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234

    What ya gonna do? Even dumb Ukrainian sovoks understand that:

    https://pictures.abebooks.com/isbn/9785941170753-us.jpg

    Karlin has changed, Kuchma too, there's still hope for you my Russian brother! :-)

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    “Ukraine is not Russia”………..written in Russian………..but the then President of this loser, fake country.

    Where do you want me to start with this farce Mr Hack you dimwit?!!
    Do Presidents of normal, non-fake countries usually have time to write this drivel, in Russian? He almost certainly didn’t write it – just a promotion of US/Canadian banderatard fake history nonsense……..which is based on those Russian liberast historians of the 19th century I mentioned in previous post – Milyukov, Klyuchevsky, Kostomarov.

    The theory that Ukraine IS Russia is the only reason northern Bukovina is now part of 404, after Soviets took if from Romania – aren’t I correct about your homeland??!!! LOL
    Same applies to the expulsion of Romanians from there.

    “Ukraina” as you know means edge of Russia.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234


    The theory that Ukraine IS Russia is the only reason northern Bukovina is now part of 404, after Soviets took if from Romania – aren’t I correct about your homeland??!!!
     
    Northern Bukovina, like most all other parts of Ukraine were included into a Ukrainian state because:
    1) Ukrainians had developed a feeling of being a separate and unique nationality by the 1920's.

    2) All of the regions that were originally and subsequently included in the Ukrainian state (except for Crimea) included a majority of Ukrainians.

    In the case of Norther Bukovina, you can see for yourself on this map how the ethnic population was distributed:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Bukovina1910ethnic.jpg/800px-Bukovina1910ethnic.jpg
    Ethnic groups in Bukovina 1775–1930 (Ukrainians in red, Romanians in green).

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  836. @sudden death
    @sudden death

    https://www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/asia/asia1789large.gif

    Replies: @songbird, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Wow, and I thought I was a China bull! Not sure they are keen on invading easily defendable, densly-packed jungle. Am surprised you didn’t go with the Horde. Wasn’t Lithuania a tributary state for a few years?

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @songbird

    Some Asian guy, who also happens to be former president of Mongolia, did it for me;)


    After Putin’s talk. I found Mongolian historic map. Don’t worry. We are a peaceful and free nation.
     
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGF4MqSbAAAMROu.jpg

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGF5SyObkAAi1A5.jpg


    https://twitter.com/elbegdorj/status/1756818696700657935

    Replies: @songbird

  837. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...it will be you who will have to face this - of course, your small nation wouldn’t be able to handle anything like this
     
    But we have no quarrel with Russia - why would there be a problem? You invent a bizarre non-existent Russian "plan" to occupy countries further west - it is only the usual desperate attempt to pull others into your fight with Russia.

    Our experience with Russia is mostly positive - they were on our side against the Habsburgs and liberated us from Germans in WW2. We were on the same side fighting the Turks. The only time Russia did something against us was in 1968 when they forced a more orthodox commie group on us. vs. a more 'liberal' one. We also understand that Russia is the only possible counter-weight if our Western neighbours go again crazy. Or Poland and Turkey. You should see Russia that way too. Balance is good.


    You can’t really force the West to admit anything, you can call them hypocritical or what not, but the West is mostly concerned with their own civilization.
     
    Everybody is...and Russia too. But it will be decided by force, by who is stronger in the region. That is Russia - so let's drop the moralistic talk and focus on how to make the best deal.

    the invasion of Ukraine affects a much larger number of people and involves broader geographies.
     
    Yes, but the issues and principles are similar to the Nato attack on Serbia. There is always a lot of guilt on all sides in these conflicts - don't play the Ukies as saints. And disorganization or chaos don't excuse it. Most importantly, Nato did it first - they set a precedent for changing borders by force. You can't undo it.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW, @AP

    Our experience with Russia is mostly positive –

    Because you don’t border Russia and were never ruled by Moscow until ~1950-1990. Not coincidentally, this is the time for your negative experiences.

    Those who bordered Russia and/or were ruled by it have extremely negative opinions of Russia. Poles, Balts, Finns, Georgians, Ukrainians. Unless they are highly Russified like the Belarussians.

    If you were a little more thoughtful or honest with yourself you would think about what that means about Russia.

    they [Russians] were on our side against the Habsburgs

    They crushed the Hungarians at the invitation of the Hapsburgs.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...They crushed the Hungarians at the invitation of the Hapsburgs.
     
    Good, the Magyars were becoming uppity. We and the Croats joined in the crushing...

    1950-1990. Not coincidentally, this is the time for your negative experiences.
     
    What? About half of our population thinks those were the golden years: population doubled, health care and education became free, everyone had an easy job, housing and infrastructure were build like never before or after, GNP quadrupled....Russians (or Ukies) were nowhere to be seen - it was all us, we did it to ourselves. You know nothing.

    have extremely negative opinions of Russia. Poles, Balts, Finns, Georgians, Ukrainians.
     
    I think it is mutual and quite universal. Nobody really likes the Poles. And the Galicians or Caucasians, my god, don't get me started. The French dislike the Germans, Irish the English, Greeks and Turks hate each other, everyone dislikes the noisy meddlesome Americans, Chinese and Koreans absolutely hate the Japanese, Finns resent the Swedes, all neighbors dislike Hungarians...and have you ever met anyone who likes Romanians?

    We are tribal, it comes and goes, but it means nothing. We are not going to fight the Russians for you - they have done nothing to us and you provoked the war. So enjoy the muddy, cold trenches, what will come after will be worse...

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    They crushed the Hungarians at the invitation of the Hapsburgs.

     

    And how did the Hapsburgs repay Russia for this huge favor afterwards?

    Replies: @AP, @Mikhail

  838. @Sher Singh
    @German_reader

    https://twitter.com/51khR3nai55nce/status/1756170304416841843?s=20

    Thoughts?

    Replies: @German_reader, @Coconuts, @Emil Nikola Richard

    THEY ARE A THREAT TO FREE SPEECH AND THEY MUST BE SILENCED.

    Good morning whatever your time zone.

    [MORE]

  839. @LatW
    @Beckow


    But we have no quarrel with Russia – why would there be a problem?
     
    Well, first of all, you have supplied Ukraine with some military assistance - so Russia may not like that (will probably not remember this fondly). Second, you are small and not very strong on your own - this means that by definition they will bully you. Third, you yourself stated at least several times that you would not be looking forward to living next door to Ukraine that's fully occupied by the RusFed (you yourself don't want to be under the so called Russian sphere of influence yet you push for Ukraine and others to be swamped by it). You also admitted something along the lines of - the "East is messy" - oh, yes, it can be, and Russia in particular will often export instability. So you have come into contradictions with your own positions.

    And just remember - that this new RusFed is not really like the Soviet Union, but much worse in some ways, it is some kind of a new hybrid, that incorporates things such as penal battalions from the Caucasus and a high tech state surveillance system without any public accountability.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Beckow, @Emil Nikola Richard

    you are small and not very strong on your own – they (Russia) will bully you.

    We are also normal and don’t seek conflict. Bullying is everywhere all the time – what is Brussels and US are doing if not bullying? The only time Russia bullied us was when they insisted for after WW2 that we have a particular commie system (it wasn’t all bad either)…what are they going to bully us about? To buy their gas and how to vote in UN? Today Brussels insists we take migrants, have LGBQTW celebrations, buy useless weapons and send soldiers to fight in Third World sh..tholes…

    There is no contradiction in correctly describing reality with varied strains and trade-offs. EU is also full of contradictions – good, bad, changing over time.

    not be looking forward to living next door to Ukraine that’s fully occupied by the RusFed

    Yes, that would not be a good thing but I doubt it will come to that. The unhinged nationalist Ukraine with Bandera marchers, wild-eyed refugees smuggling cabbage pots and stealing our cars is not great either. It is messy.

    What grinds on us most is the incredible stupidity and the teary-eyed Euro-devotion that the Ukies display – they abandoned who they are, offer themselves for sale, demand, beg, lack spine and self-awareness. We have some people like that and this feeds them. I don’t mind messy but this is a depressing nihilism.

    Maidan was a fatal mistake – the Ukies opted to destroy their own country hoping for salvation from people who care nothing for them and only want to use them to hurt Russians. You don’t get to export your mistakes: we told you it was stupid, now you see it, it is too late. Nature is like that…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow

    what is Brussels and US are doing if not bullying?
     

    Yes, but with them there is at least some kind of a leverage (and they also provide something in return), so if it got really unacceptable, hypothetically one can put their foot down or say "no" (or at least say "no" on certain occasions). Russia will threaten with its size and force if they manage to get that far - as I said, for now Azov has your back). Russia is also way more rigid about certain things (ideology, money/gas, etc), even if one can live with Russia, too. It's far from ideal (and they are too slow to change from the current regime and the way of thinking in general).

    buy useless weapons
     
    Weapons are never useless, they are like precious metal coins - even tungsten is a good thing to hold - you can always resell them, the only question is the price and whether one should not attempt to produce them oneself (and your neighboring Czechs are very well known for this, their guns are very popular in the US).

    send soldiers to fight in Third World sh..tholes…
     
    Recently few have gone anywhere - and those are professional soldiers who want to make that money and gain experience. They are not forced or "sent" (the way one is sent under the so called "Russian world"). That said, I also believe that we should start being much more picky about this if the Americans continue their current behavior... our soldiers (and the Ukrainian soldiers) are a very valuable asset. You have to weigh out how valuable those overseas experiences really are (and maybe there will be action at home...jk).

    What grinds on us most is the incredible stupidity and the teary-eyed Euro-devotion that the Ukies display – they abandoned who they are, offer themselves for sale, demand, beg, lack spine and self-awareness.
     
    You must be viewing things from your prism - there are different kinds of thoughts floating around in Ukraine right now, there is some conversation about how to preserve their own interests even in the current situation. Even if they were politically integrated into the European system, they would still have some backbone, more so than probably your people (and definitely mine), they can be quite direct and they are high IQ - they just need more economic and institutional strength. This is also something to weigh out - how to balance the "give and take" there.

    Maidan was a fatal mistake
     
    You view this as something that is purely rational, deliberate, planned. There is another way of looking at it - it's a historical process, that yearning was always there and it just finally manifested, it can also be viewed as the continuous crumbling of the Russian Empire. This is why we have Putin wanting to rant and make "corrections" about history endlessly, because Maidan exposes the vulnerabilities of the Russian historical narrative.

    Replies: @Beckow

  840. @Beckow
    @AP

    I don't move the goal posts - you do. You use boiler plate half-ass statements that mean nothing vs. a very aggressive public statements by Biden, kamala, BoJo etc...before. If you are too dumb to see the difference I can't help you.

    One more time: Ukraine will be in Nato only if Kiev wins the war and Russia doesn’t protect itself with nukes. It means never. There is no other scenario that would allow Ukraine to join Nato - watch Carlson's interview for the most recent restatement by Putin of what the war is all about and how they plan to end it.

    If you say that Ukraine's odds for Nato are 25-30%, you are also saying that Kiev's chances of winning the war are 25-30%. That is unrealistic. You can hold on to your dream, Mr. "paused offensive", but at this point it is closer to 5%, if that.

    The scenario of a "frozen conflict" with a rump-Ukraine staying as a hostile, Nato-occupied enemy of Russia is even more unrealistic - why would Russia allow that? They have the weapons they need to keep it from happening. You really don't want them to use these weapons, or do you? Maybe mild autism is not your biggest mental issue...:)

    Replies: @AP, @John Johnson

    I don’t move the goal posts – you do.

    First you demanded a quote from a NATO leader, spoken after the Russian invasion which you claim ended the chances of NATO membership for Ukraine.-. I provided this from NATO’s secretary general:

    “ Secretary General in Kyiv: Ukraine is closer to NATO than ever before””

    You demanded a quote from a national NATO leader that Ukraine will be in NATO, such as “the Indian guy. Then when one was provided by the British PM,

    Sunak said he agreed with comments made earlier Thursday by NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg that Ukraine is on the path toward NATO membership.

    “I agree with the NATO Secretary-General: Ukraine’s rightful place is in NATO,” Sunak told CNBC’s Silvia Amaro.

    you change the demand to not be what you claim as a “half-ass statement.”

    What next? Only a statement told on a Tuesday when the person making the statement is wearing a hat?

    As usual, you got caught lying, so all you can do is call someone “autistic” even though it is likely that you have more characteristics of that disorder than I do.

    One more time: Ukraine will be in Nato only if Kiev wins the war and Russia doesn’t protect itself with nukes. It means never.

    Is that your new condition for Ukraine winning the war?

    So if as part of a peace settlement, the border is frozen at the current front line but Ukraine joins NATO you will consider this to be a Ukraine win?

    If you say that Ukraine’s odds for Nato are 25-30%, you are also saying that Kiev’s chances of winning the war are 25-30%.

    Ukraine can certainly win without NATO membership, which it did not have prior to the war anyways. You change your meaning of “win.” I would say restoration of 2014-2022 border and no more Russian interference would be a clear win, even if NATO continues its prewar policy nd never accept Ukraine afterward but just keeps saying that it will, one day. Ukraine will have preserved its independence and foiled a Russian attempt at annexation. Same conditions but at current lines might be considered a draw. Russia failed at its goals of subjugating Ukraine, but won a consolation prize – the Crimean corridor. Ukraine preserved its independence.

  841. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack

    "Ukraine is not Russia"...........written in Russian...........but the then President of this loser, fake country.

    Where do you want me to start with this farce Mr Hack you dimwit?!!
    Do Presidents of normal, non-fake countries usually have time to write this drivel, in Russian? He almost certainly didn't write it - just a promotion of US/Canadian banderatard fake history nonsense........which is based on those Russian liberast historians of the 19th century I mentioned in previous post - Milyukov, Klyuchevsky, Kostomarov.

    The theory that Ukraine IS Russia is the only reason northern Bukovina is now part of 404, after Soviets took if from Romania - aren't I correct about your homeland??!!! LOL
    Same applies to the expulsion of Romanians from there.

    "Ukraina" as you know means edge of Russia.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    The theory that Ukraine IS Russia is the only reason northern Bukovina is now part of 404, after Soviets took if from Romania – aren’t I correct about your homeland??!!!

    Northern Bukovina, like most all other parts of Ukraine were included into a Ukrainian state because:
    1) Ukrainians had developed a feeling of being a separate and unique nationality by the 1920’s.

    2) All of the regions that were originally and subsequently included in the Ukrainian state (except for Crimea) included a majority of Ukrainians.

    In the case of Norther Bukovina, you can see for yourself on this map how the ethnic population was distributed:

    [MORE]

    Ethnic groups in Bukovina 1775–1930 (Ukrainians in red, Romanians in green).

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack

    Thanks for the map.

  842. @LatW
    @Beckow


    But we have no quarrel with Russia – why would there be a problem?
     
    Well, first of all, you have supplied Ukraine with some military assistance - so Russia may not like that (will probably not remember this fondly). Second, you are small and not very strong on your own - this means that by definition they will bully you. Third, you yourself stated at least several times that you would not be looking forward to living next door to Ukraine that's fully occupied by the RusFed (you yourself don't want to be under the so called Russian sphere of influence yet you push for Ukraine and others to be swamped by it). You also admitted something along the lines of - the "East is messy" - oh, yes, it can be, and Russia in particular will often export instability. So you have come into contradictions with your own positions.

    And just remember - that this new RusFed is not really like the Soviet Union, but much worse in some ways, it is some kind of a new hybrid, that incorporates things such as penal battalions from the Caucasus and a high tech state surveillance system without any public accountability.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Beckow, @Emil Nikola Richard

    You could use a more productive fantasy life. Less Stanley Kubrick and more Alan Moore.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    You could use a more productive fantasy life.
     
    You are probably right. Although the scenario I painted, even if far fetched, is not entirely unrealistic these days (and it can easily be embellished). Unless one learns to "rule chaos with chaos magic", if that's what you meant.

    Btw, the title you linked to reminds me of my beloved ex-boyfriend from days long gone (now simply friend), he would've made a similar remark as you did (he liked me, but I was often not deep and nuanced enough for him or not artsy/aesthetic/refined enough plus he totally hated politics). He had read tons of Wiccan literature as well as fantasy books (he was a huge fan of Ursula Le Guin) and we listened to a lot of bands that had Hecate and Hades in their title (as well as Ishtar, Astarte, etc etc). So some of that did reflect on me - off of his magical persona. But as one moves into adult life, this doesn't always stick and if one doesn't cultivate these things they pass into distance. But you are right - one must not have a rigid mind.

    Here is one of his all time favorite bands (there is a wonderful female vocal in this song).

    I call Hekate of the Crossroads, worshipped at the meeting of three paths,
    Of Heaven, Earth, and also Sea,

    Saffron robed, funerary,
    Celebrating with shades of the dead
    Daughter of Perses, Fond of Solitude
    Nocturnal, Heralded by the roar of wild beasts,

    I call Hekate of the Crossroads, worshipped at the meeting of three paths,
    Of Heaven, Earth, and also Sea

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m02dQFcxiA0

    , @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard



    So I listened to the author's bm band... wow, I don't get how I missed this back in the day - probably because I mostly listened to Norwegian (and more symphonic and some EE folk/pagan). Not so much American, but this guy is probably one of the more notable ones from the US. Yes, parts of America do have the setting and ambience for this.. especially the mountains in the dusk... and the thick forest, as the night falls over it.

    What is quite notable is that he is Varg's contemporary, the first album came out very early, basically at the roots essentially, wow. Looks like he's tried to stick really close to the original classic Norwegian sound, very raw and minimalistic (although there are some "symphonic" parts, and synth). My ex-boyfriend is a bit younger and his band was a bit "lighter", slightly more melodic and with medieval fantasy themes... but they were originally inspired by the Norwegian sound anyway.

    Thanks for the link - much appreciated.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  843. @Mr. Hack
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    He alluded to Tara Bulba in veiled tones within his imaginative pronouncements regarding Ukrainian history:


    So, the Poles were trying in every possible way to polonize this part of the Russian lands and actually treated it rather harshly, not to say cruelly. All that led to the fact that this part of the Russian lands began to struggle for their rights. They wrote letters to Warsaw demanding that their rights be observed and that people be commissioned here, including to Kiev…

    Interview to Tucker Carlson. Part 2
    Tucker Carlson: I beg your pardon, can you tell us what period… I am losing track of where in history we are?

    Vladimir Putin: It was in the 13th century.

    Now I will tell what happened later and give the dates so that there is no confusion. And in 1654, even a bit earlier, the people who were in control of the authority over that part of the Russian lands, addressed Warsaw, I repeat, demanding their rights be observed that they send to them rulers of Russian origin and Orthodox faith. When Warsaw did not answer them and in fact rejected their demands, they turned to Moscow so that Moscow took them away.
     

    Strange thing though, I'm not aware of anybody in 13th century Ukraine writing letters to Warsaw(?) about their rights? Poland hadn't even conquered Galicia till the mid 14th century and Warsaw was only a small town without any political significance until the early 16th century. But no need to account or any accuracy inside the mind of Putler the historian. :-)

    And Putler's allusion to the Treaty of Pereyeslav in 1654 is equally strange and nonsensical, as it was a military alliance between Ruthenia and Muscovy and not any sort of appeal to Poland regarding sociological grievances. Who cares though, Putler's minions are not interested in historical truth or accuracy, but are only in it for the Putler worshiping aspects. Putler cannot say or do anything wrong, just ask Tucker Carlson :-(

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    And Putler’s allusion to the Treaty of Pereyeslav in 1654 is equally strange and nonsensical, as it was a military alliance between Ruthenia and Muscovy and not any sort of appeal to Poland regarding sociological grievances.

    Use of the mythical ( to the areas you are implying) “Ruthenia” and of Muscovy is almost as psycho from you Hack as the cretinously stubborn “Hohol” and “first, Ukrainofile version of Taras Bulba”

    Anyway , there was no “cossack state” , its an oxymoron. De facto any agreement with Cossacks is a military one – that’s the only possible agreement there could be with a non-state entirely militirised group of people. Exact same applies to agreements with the Don Cossacks ( who if anything had more claim to a state and on a seperate issue – far superior horse-riding skills and combat skills – certainly their historical re-enactments from predecessors are very impressive) or the Sloboda cossacks of mostly north-eastern Ukraine and had zero connection to Treaty of Pereyeslav.

    And it would not be called an “alliance”- that would assume, in theory an equal partnership , agreement – this was the Getman swearing an oath of allegiance TO the Tsar.

    The cretinous “Muscovy” reference is also ridiculous. Russia ALWAYS maintained a state, Rurik royalty, Metropolitan leading Orthodox Church, culture, everything even after the Golden Horde invasion. Kiev had stopped being the capital of the Russian state. Entire leadership, church hierachy, masses of peasants then fled to this state you are deranged calling “Muscovy” – Then much more escaped to Russia after Lithuanian earthworms took control of Kiev – which then become nothing more than a village until Russia bought it from PLC 300+ years later.

    Capital transferred from Vladimir to Moscow – but it was still entirely same Russian state, Rurik dynasty, Metropolitan leading Orthodox church and culture etc

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234


    Anyway , there was no “cossack state” , its an oxymoron.
     
    You're obviously wrong here and need to up your game, as the saying goes. It's no use trying to have a normal discussion with you about the Russian/Ukrainian historical encounter, if you don't even acknowledge the existence of the Cossack Hetmanate state. Take off your blinders, educate yourself, and then come back for more discussion about these matters. Take your time and read the article slowly, and try not to skim over certain parts:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossack_Hetmanate

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  844. @Beckow
    @AP

    I don't move the goal posts - you do. You use boiler plate half-ass statements that mean nothing vs. a very aggressive public statements by Biden, kamala, BoJo etc...before. If you are too dumb to see the difference I can't help you.

    One more time: Ukraine will be in Nato only if Kiev wins the war and Russia doesn’t protect itself with nukes. It means never. There is no other scenario that would allow Ukraine to join Nato - watch Carlson's interview for the most recent restatement by Putin of what the war is all about and how they plan to end it.

    If you say that Ukraine's odds for Nato are 25-30%, you are also saying that Kiev's chances of winning the war are 25-30%. That is unrealistic. You can hold on to your dream, Mr. "paused offensive", but at this point it is closer to 5%, if that.

    The scenario of a "frozen conflict" with a rump-Ukraine staying as a hostile, Nato-occupied enemy of Russia is even more unrealistic - why would Russia allow that? They have the weapons they need to keep it from happening. You really don't want them to use these weapons, or do you? Maybe mild autism is not your biggest mental issue...:)

    Replies: @AP, @John Johnson

    One more time: Ukraine will be in Nato only if Kiev wins the war and Russia doesn’t protect itself with nukes. It means never. There is no other scenario that would allow Ukraine to join Nato

    Why is this scenario not possible:
    1. Putin takes his Eastern chunk of Ukraine
    2. Armistice is settled with borders along 4 oblasts
    3. Ukraine can then qualify for NATO with a static border
    4. NATO votes in Ukraine

    There is no reason to assume that Russia can hold out as long as needed in a dirty war.

    The US can impose sanctions on medicine indefinitely while Russia will not be able to find reliable sources for alternatives.

    That is what happened to Venezuela. They falsely assumed that they could buy everything from China and India.

    They stole a bunch of US businesses and then seemed shocked to learn that their medicine imports depended on the US.

    Sometimes it seems that governments buy too heavily into Big Bad US narratives and don’t realize that most medicine still comes from the US and Germany. This has been true since the 1900s.

    The left-wing government of Venezuela declared that they don’t need the US while Venezuelans in the US were desperately trying to send back medicine.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...Armistice is settled with borders along 4 oblasts
    - Ukraine can then qualify for NATO with a static border
     
    How would you make Russia to agree short of a military defeat by Kiev? They went to war to keep Nato out of Ukraine and they are winning. Nato tried to bluff Russia before and it always backfired - Russia called their bluff in Ossetia, Crimea, Donbas.

    The point is that without either Russian defeat or Russian agreement there will be no Nato in Ukraine. Do you think hey will change their mind? Are you willing to risk a nuclear exchange over it?

    Stop hallucinating about "medicines" and Venezuela, you are lost. Regular drugs are made all around the world, they trade freely and are copied easily. No country will give away its crown jewels for a far-fetched 'miracle' drug for a few dozen people. If the MRNA 'vaccine' is an example I think Russia is better of without it. We too.

    If you think that Russia is just like Venezuela you are even more retarded than we suspect. By the way, what happened to President Guidado? Did he and Madame Tichanovskaia get married? Are they running a taco-bliny shop in Miami with CIA seed money? Let us know, they had so much promise...

  845. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    What could trigger the change?
     
    A 2nd Trump presidency might incite some change, but even that probably isn't likely. I think you're right, on present trends there isn't much hope for "Europe" (in whatever configuration) becoming an independent geopolitical actor. Transatlanticism is too entrenched. 20 or 30 years ago there was at least some criticism of the US in the mainstream, and that was also quite pronounced in the Cold War, but that's totally gone now, despite the US being continually in some kind of war for the last decades and behaving in unhinged ways that should generate some desire for distance (you also see the same regarding Israel btw, has really been shocking for me how much sympathy it gets from the establishment, certainly in Germany, despite its recent actions being so much worse than anything since at least the 1948 war, when the context was very different). The people in power in Europe today and those dominating public discourse identify completely with the Atlanticist system, and also seem to identify their own vision of societal transformation ("our" liberal democracy) with perpetual alignment in it.
    That brings us to the migrants. Of course that's something a lot of people here like to ignore, arguing as if it were 1950 or so. But in reality the on-going changes are fundamental. It probably will be only a few years, say 2030 or so, until a majority of children under 5 in Germany will have migrant background. Now a part of that are at least other Europeans, but the direction of change is still clear, unless some drastic political change happens in the next few years (which is unlikely), Germany in any traditional sense will be gone in the 2nd half of this century, having been replaced with some sort of multiethnic conglomerate with an ever increasing presence of people from Africa and the Islamic world. Similarly throughout Western Europe. That's the elephant in the room people don't want to address, and which renders all that talk about geopolitical issues, re-arming against some Russian military threat (which in reality is largely hypothetical, except possibly in the Baltics) etc. somewhat irrelevant and disconnected from reality.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Beckow

    …Germany in any traditional sense will be gone in the 2nd half of this century

    That’s the only thing that matters and it is not reversible. One way to mitigate it is with selective assimilation and inter-marriage – but the influx would have to stop. The dynamic is pushing us the other way: chain migration with no limits, getting the native Euro population out of large cities and many desirable areas.

    One has to assume it was intentional: remake Europe to be like the dis-functional shallow mess in US-Canada. It makes the Atlanticists feel at home – they screwed up the new continent, now on to screwing up the old one.

    Trump is a canary in the coal mine – he says the right stuff, but it is mostly talk. If you recall the canary tale, the purpose is to let the miners know so they can escape. Trump makes it visible but he can’t change it. The institutional stranglehold is complete – it is like the pre-Reformation Church, they got it all.

    The globo-libs have everything going for them except results. But it is a zuzwang and I am not looking forward to any attempted changes, it will make it worse at the beginning.

  846. @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    I noticed the Ukraine flags that had been hoisted on public buildings quiely being taken down everywhere around October/November last year. Poor Ukrainians really believed American support would be unconditional
     
    The Americans will just run away from the mess they've created, typical behavior for them really, and central Europe will be left to deal with a crippled Ukraine and an antagonistic Russia. Thanks a lot, dear benevolent hegemon.
    We really must live in one of the worst timelines. When one thinks back to 1990, how could they all fuck it up so badly? How could it all go so wrong on such a catastrophic scale? I think about this all the time, both regarding my own country and the West in general.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    I dare say I’ve been more disheartened – both longer and more intensely – than the vast majority of posters here about what the future holds. From my reading, I’ve concluded that it was all baked into the cake long, long ago. There were some small insignificant factions (eg Monday Club, Western Goals Institute, numerous individual actors) that wished to arrest the decline, but who lacked anywhere near the support necessary to achieve their objectives. It’s a depressing state of affair which I deal with it by accepting that it is what it is; nothing I can do about it save hold out hope for the least bad outcome and just get on with my life. ‘Discussing’ it here is a way of letting off steam, nothing more.

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @silviosilver

    You're completely right, I have similar feelings. I've always been pessimistic, but still couldn't have imagined the last few years. It just gets worse and worse. Yet most people seem to be fine with it (either enthusiastically in favor, or at least indifferent, going on with their normie lives). Yes, probably not much point to talking about it. Though it still bothers me immensely, since I don't believe any of this would have been inevitable with different choices 30-40 years ago.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123, @silviosilver

  847. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @LatW


    That’s just not an appropriate comparison. Russia literally occupied parts of another country and immediately put that in its constitution claiming it as their territory.
     
    IMO, it actually makes a little more sense, as they held it at the time, and so can have hopes of recapturing it (whether they will or not). Whereas, Crimea is not territory that Ukraine has ever captured and historically is difficult to capture and they are the underdog.

    Of course, I think both are crazy, as they create obstacles to peace. Never tie your hands at the negotiating table, I'd say.
    _________
    One of these days, I would like to work with A123 to turn GR to the Darkside, and make him an American.

    Replies: @German_reader

    One of these days, I would like to work with A123 to turn GR to the Darkside, and make him an American.

    If you manage to repeal the 13th, 14th, 15th and 19th amendments and turn the US back into something like what Thomas Jefferson (or someone like Henry Clay) wanted it to be, I’d be very interested in emigrating to the US and becoming an American.
    But otherwise, I can’t see the point.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader


    If you manage to repeal the 13th
     
    Swear that somewhere in the Táin Bó Cúailnge, there is a dialogue between one of the invaders and Cú Chulainn. He proposes to make a deal to have Cú Chulainn stop fighting their army single-handedly by leaving the female slaves (while taking their women), and then Cú Chulainn says something like "but then our children would be slaves."

    At times, I've wondered how much slavery in Europe was the result of fractious politics and warfare, and how much a hereditary caste that may have been different in capacities, in some way or other.

    Anyway, your radical proposal to bring it back is food for thought. Perhaps, in the right hands, it would be a useful hobgoblin and tool for maintaining the border.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  848. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    Vassals cannot act in their own interests, they have to act in the interests of their suzerain. That’s the definition of being a vassal.
     
    The Russian mentality.

    In a feudal relationship, the suzerain is also obligated to take into account the needs of the vassal and to protect him. The relationship was mutual. If the suzerain failed to take care of the vassal, the vassal was free to find another.

    But Russian political culture only understands master and slave. The "vassal" must serve blindly - so, he s not really a vassal. Russia had a different political legacy.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Gerard1234

    The Russian mentality.

    You are about as qualified to talk about “Russian mentality” as you are about “Ukrainian” mentality or knee replacement surgery or any branch of medical science as you know absolute ZERO about it.

    Finland and Poland both had far more freedom, autonomy ,and most importantly – generous financial investment from the Russian treasury than any equivalents to them in German, Habsburg, Spanish, French, British, Swedish empires you dumb prick. In Polish Russia – much of railways built to standard , not Russian gauge either you idiot – which is huge of freedom for the time . Not to forget about plenty of Polish and Finnish elites in Russian empire.

    But Russian political culture only understands master and slave. The “vassal” must serve blindly – so, he s not really a vassal. Russia had a different political legacy.

    This is amusingly dumb nonsense is regurgitation of other failed Sovietologists imbecilic “theories” like Pipes or the abnormally ugly bitch Applebaum (wow – I still disturbed by your comment on that you pitiful wakjob). Russian political culture is the extremely democratic Zemsky Sobor, Tsar’s power always restrained with the Boyars and others effectively holding a gun to his head (like over abolishing serfdom), frequent rebellions and enacting change from the authorities because of these rebellions or other movements- different to Galician-whore slaves being about 7th place in hierarchy for 600 years. 3 big revolutions in 100 years also you stupid retard.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Gerard1234

    Russian political culture is the extremely democratic Zemsky Sobor, Tsar’s power always restrained with the Boyars and others effectively holding a gun to his head (like over abolishing serfdom), frequent rebellions and enacting change from the authorities because of these rebellions or other movements

    Totally ridiculous.

    All dictatorships can be removed by a rebellion. It is a universal characteristic and often the only way to remove them. That goes back all the way to the Romans. Caligula was stabbed by his own guards after years of protecting them. It didn't mean the system was democratic. The Roman people never had a vote on removing him.

    The Tsars were not democratic. The pre-1917 reforms were too late and never setup a democracy or even close. The Tsars could launch wars on their own and without permission from anyone. That is true today as Putin launched this invasion without even telling the Duma. It was news to them like everyone else.

    If the Russian people were allowed to pick their representatives in the 1900s then the 1917 revolution never would have happened. The Communists would have been a minority party just like in Europe and would not have been able to exploit proletariat disgust with the system. The Communists in fact are on record talking about how they lucked out with WW1. Lenin cheered the poor performance of Russia against Germany as he correctly believed a demoralized military would help hasten in the revolution. They knew the majority opposed them and needed a perfect storm of events to get the backing of the military. Lenin was supposedly ecstatic when the Russians were pushed back. Leftists are truly sick people that will cheer the deaths of their own countrymen out of some twisted vision for utopia.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @AP
    @Gerard1234


    You are about as qualified to talk about “Russian mentality” as you are about “Ukrainian” mentality or knee replacement surgery or any branch of medical science as you know absolute ZERO about it.
     
    Of the two of us only you lie about your background.

    But Russian political culture only understands master and slave. The “vassal” must serve blindly – so, he s not really a vassal. Russia had a different political legacy.

    This is amusingly dumb nonsense is regurgitation of other failed Sovietologists imbecilic “theories” like Pipes or the abnormally ugly bitch Applebaum

     

    Or Russians themselves?

    Did Anne Applebaum invent the slogan "Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality?"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodoxy,_Autocracy,_and_Nationality

    She is British, isn't she? You are some kind of loser in her country. How do you feel about that?

    The Russian historian Vernadsky claimed Ukraine's democratic ways was a vestige of Rus, that was preserved in lands not as influenced by the Mongol overlords and teachers. I think it rather came from the Poles, the Zaporizhian government was after all based on Polish model, they referenced Polish Sarmatism, and they even used Polish as a language of command.

    Russian political culture is the extremely democratic Zemsky Sobor,
     
    And the khan had the kurultai, and Stalin had a Politburo. So?

    Tsar’s power always restrained with the Boyars
     
    On the contrary. The Galician kingdom had strong powers by the boyars (they even poisoned one of their kings and elected one of their own boyars as leader), Novgorod had a sort of democracy, Suzdal (from which Russia emerged) was an autocracy in which the boyars were relatively powerless in comparison to the ruler.

    frequent rebellions
     
    That were often rather weak, and were crushed because the Tsar was powerful enough to do so. When the Khan dies, civil wars and revolts are possible.

    3 big revolutions in 100 years
     
    Only one real one (1917) - and naturally led and dominated by non-Russians. They would replace the previous non-Russians ruling over the Slavs and would rule over the Slavs themselves. No more Rurikids (Norsemen) or Germans (Romanovs, Baltic Germans) - it came time for Caucasians, Jews and Latvians to rule over the Russians. 1990 was just a reorganization by Soviet elites.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

  849. @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234


    The theory that Ukraine IS Russia is the only reason northern Bukovina is now part of 404, after Soviets took if from Romania – aren’t I correct about your homeland??!!!
     
    Northern Bukovina, like most all other parts of Ukraine were included into a Ukrainian state because:
    1) Ukrainians had developed a feeling of being a separate and unique nationality by the 1920's.

    2) All of the regions that were originally and subsequently included in the Ukrainian state (except for Crimea) included a majority of Ukrainians.

    In the case of Norther Bukovina, you can see for yourself on this map how the ethnic population was distributed:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Bukovina1910ethnic.jpg/800px-Bukovina1910ethnic.jpg
    Ethnic groups in Bukovina 1775–1930 (Ukrainians in red, Romanians in green).

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Thanks for the map.

  850. German_reader says:
    @silviosilver
    @German_reader

    I dare say I've been more disheartened - both longer and more intensely - than the vast majority of posters here about what the future holds. From my reading, I've concluded that it was all baked into the cake long, long ago. There were some small insignificant factions (eg Monday Club, Western Goals Institute, numerous individual actors) that wished to arrest the decline, but who lacked anywhere near the support necessary to achieve their objectives. It's a depressing state of affair which I deal with it by accepting that it is what it is; nothing I can do about it save hold out hope for the least bad outcome and just get on with my life. 'Discussing' it here is a way of letting off steam, nothing more.

    Replies: @German_reader

    You’re completely right, I have similar feelings. I’ve always been pessimistic, but still couldn’t have imagined the last few years. It just gets worse and worse. Yet most people seem to be fine with it (either enthusiastically in favor, or at least indifferent, going on with their normie lives). Yes, probably not much point to talking about it. Though it still bothers me immensely, since I don’t believe any of this would have been inevitable with different choices 30-40 years ago.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader

    Have you read the new Karlin manifesto?

    When every country has a gay pride parade there can't be any more wars. Or something along those lines. It's 80 000 words and can hardly be reduced to a fortune cookie paper.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @A123
    @German_reader


    I’ve always been pessimistic, but still couldn’t have imagined the last few years. It just gets worse and worse.
     
    I understand your feelings. Germany is in terrible shape and getting worse. The only serious party is AfD at 20-25%. They will score victories in the east, but that only addresses local problems. It will be interesting to see if BSW makes it off the ground as an anti-immigration "Left" party.

    Overburden from Brussels compounds the issues. Even countries with strong national governments, such as Hungary, are sabotaged by EU institutions.
    ___

    I am much more hopeful for MAGA. Winning the House and Presidency is high probability. The Senate should have a GOP majority, however that includes some RINO's. Not great, but vastly better than Trump's 1st term.

    The key is having reasonable goals for the next 4 years. Compromises will be necessary & inevitable. Highly emotional zealots who demand 100% of absolutely everything instantly will be shrill. Those of us who care about substantive MAGA policy will take the gains that are available, as steps in the right direction. It took decades to dig this hole. It will take multiple MAGA administrations to fix it.
    ____

    Not-The-President Biden is looking weaker than ever. Will the DNC replace him? Without a competitive primary, they do not have a sound replacement strategy:

    • Another white male patriarch would blow up the party. They might try Newsom anyway, but there would be mass defections to Cornell West.
    • Their base demands a PoC female, but there is no obvious choice in that category. Kamala Harris? Michelle Obama? AOC? Oprah?
    • Killary Klinton would check one of the boxes. (shudder)

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    Replies: @German_reader, @Beckow

    , @silviosilver
    @German_reader

    The craziness of the last few years was something I too had not thought possible. Certainly, if different choices had been made 30-40 years ago, that craziness could have been avoided. But who was there to make those different decisions? I don't want to be overly fatalistic, but when people with the same fanatical commitment to those same shitlib values and those same egregiously flawed shitlib beliefs are invested with decision-making power and the power to shape and police speech and thought, isn't it just a matter of time before you reach 2020-crazy (and perhaps worse to come)? All it takes is for the majority to indifferently (if somewhat grudgingly) go about their lives, et voila.

    Replies: @German_reader

  851. I can imagine Teddy Roosevelt or Thomas Jefferson talking about Hengist and Horsa.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LondonBob

    Jefferson wanted Hengist and Horsa depicted on one side of the US seal (with the Biblical Hebrews on the other):
    https://www.tjheritage.org/design-the-great-seal

  852. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    And Putler’s allusion to the Treaty of Pereyeslav in 1654 is equally strange and nonsensical, as it was a military alliance between Ruthenia and Muscovy and not any sort of appeal to Poland regarding sociological grievances.
     
    Use of the mythical ( to the areas you are implying) "Ruthenia" and of Muscovy is almost as psycho from you Hack as the cretinously stubborn "Hohol" and "first, Ukrainofile version of Taras Bulba"

    Anyway , there was no "cossack state" , its an oxymoron. De facto any agreement with Cossacks is a military one - that's the only possible agreement there could be with a non-state entirely militirised group of people. Exact same applies to agreements with the Don Cossacks ( who if anything had more claim to a state and on a seperate issue - far superior horse-riding skills and combat skills - certainly their historical re-enactments from predecessors are very impressive) or the Sloboda cossacks of mostly north-eastern Ukraine and had zero connection to Treaty of Pereyeslav.

    And it would not be called an "alliance"- that would assume, in theory an equal partnership , agreement - this was the Getman swearing an oath of allegiance TO the Tsar.

    The cretinous "Muscovy" reference is also ridiculous. Russia ALWAYS maintained a state, Rurik royalty, Metropolitan leading Orthodox Church, culture, everything even after the Golden Horde invasion. Kiev had stopped being the capital of the Russian state. Entire leadership, church hierachy, masses of peasants then fled to this state you are deranged calling "Muscovy" - Then much more escaped to Russia after Lithuanian earthworms took control of Kiev - which then become nothing more than a village until Russia bought it from PLC 300+ years later.

    Capital transferred from Vladimir to Moscow - but it was still entirely same Russian state, Rurik dynasty, Metropolitan leading Orthodox church and culture etc

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Anyway , there was no “cossack state” , its an oxymoron.

    You’re obviously wrong here and need to up your game, as the saying goes. It’s no use trying to have a normal discussion with you about the Russian/Ukrainian historical encounter, if you don’t even acknowledge the existence of the Cossack Hetmanate state. Take off your blinders, educate yourself, and then come back for more discussion about these matters. Take your time and read the article slowly, and try not to skim over certain parts:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossack_Hetmanate

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    If you don't even acknowledge the existence of the cossack hetmanate state
     
    As I said Hack, I consider the term "cossack state" as a contradiction, an impossibility - like saying flying giraffe, Israeli pig farmer or Dutch mountaineer etc.

    1. Zaporizhian cossacks were citizens of Poland at the time, i.e. the getmanate wasn't a state

    2. Zemsky sobor accepting the cossacks was immediate invitation to war with Poland i.e they, the Poles, considered these lands as their own

    3. Khmelnitsky wrote in 1648 to the Tsar, begging him to accept them into his Kingdom/pledging allegiance. He did this multiple times before the Treaty of Pereyeslav in 1654. Getmanate fake state supposed to have been created in 1649. These petitions to the Tsar are not the actions of someone who has just had his own country created.Polish retards do the same type of stupid stunt - claiming 2 seconds before partition they created some joke "democratic constitution". In reality they are just trying to cover up their historic failures.

    4. What exactly connects these lands in anyway to Bukovina (or Galicia)? Those aren't Cossack lands of the supposed Getmanate. Why call the people of these lands called "Ukrainians" but not Russians? If they are Russian then everything makes sense. If not then it's the schizophrenic freakshow we have now in 404.
    400 years Bukovina had zero connection to Galicia&Volynia - even during Habsburg when they were technically part of same administrative region, there was still minimal connections between the peoples. Malorossiyans though are heavily interlocked with Siberia, Far east, Arctic, St Petersburg, Moscow, South Russia, Northern Kazakhstan etc.

    5.Bukovina is more Orthodox than Uniate, but do you know Hack if this is because of ancient Russia heritage or Romania/Moldova connection to these lands? (I have no idea)

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack

  853. @sudden death
    @sudden death

    https://www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/asia/asia1789large.gif

    Replies: @songbird, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Those were Qing Manchu-Mongol conquests. This is the last Han Chinese dynasty– Ming

    The Oirats/Dzungars were liquidated by a tagteam between Russia and Qing, who signed Treaty of Nerchinsk in 1689.

    Just like Stalin and Mao tagteamed to get back Manchuria/Xinjiang/Inner Mongolia/Tibet for PRC.

    Dzungars who migrated west became Kalmyks.

    • Thanks: sudden death
  854. @LondonBob
    I can imagine Teddy Roosevelt or Thomas Jefferson talking about Hengist and Horsa.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Jefferson wanted Hengist and Horsa depicted on one side of the US seal (with the Biblical Hebrews on the other):
    https://www.tjheritage.org/design-the-great-seal

  855. @German_reader
    @silviosilver

    You're completely right, I have similar feelings. I've always been pessimistic, but still couldn't have imagined the last few years. It just gets worse and worse. Yet most people seem to be fine with it (either enthusiastically in favor, or at least indifferent, going on with their normie lives). Yes, probably not much point to talking about it. Though it still bothers me immensely, since I don't believe any of this would have been inevitable with different choices 30-40 years ago.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123, @silviosilver

    Have you read the new Karlin manifesto?

    When every country has a gay pride parade there can’t be any more wars. Or something along those lines. It’s 80 000 words and can hardly be reduced to a fortune cookie paper.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I skimmed it, wrote several comments about it a few threads ago. Can't say I was overly impressed, but I suppose as an "internet Nazi" (Karlin's description of me) I probably wasn't the intended audience anyway.

  856. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader

    Have you read the new Karlin manifesto?

    When every country has a gay pride parade there can't be any more wars. Or something along those lines. It's 80 000 words and can hardly be reduced to a fortune cookie paper.

    Replies: @German_reader

    I skimmed it, wrote several comments about it a few threads ago. Can’t say I was overly impressed, but I suppose as an “internet Nazi” (Karlin’s description of me) I probably wasn’t the intended audience anyway.

  857. @Gerard1234
    @AP


    The Russian mentality.
     
    You are about as qualified to talk about "Russian mentality" as you are about "Ukrainian" mentality or knee replacement surgery or any branch of medical science as you know absolute ZERO about it.

    Finland and Poland both had far more freedom, autonomy ,and most importantly - generous financial investment from the Russian treasury than any equivalents to them in German, Habsburg, Spanish, French, British, Swedish empires you dumb prick. In Polish Russia - much of railways built to standard , not Russian gauge either you idiot - which is huge of freedom for the time . Not to forget about plenty of Polish and Finnish elites in Russian empire.

    But Russian political culture only understands master and slave. The “vassal” must serve blindly – so, he s not really a vassal. Russia had a different political legacy.
     
    This is amusingly dumb nonsense is regurgitation of other failed Sovietologists imbecilic "theories" like Pipes or the abnormally ugly bitch Applebaum (wow - I still disturbed by your comment on that you pitiful wakjob). Russian political culture is the extremely democratic Zemsky Sobor, Tsar's power always restrained with the Boyars and others effectively holding a gun to his head (like over abolishing serfdom), frequent rebellions and enacting change from the authorities because of these rebellions or other movements- different to Galician-whore slaves being about 7th place in hierarchy for 600 years. 3 big revolutions in 100 years also you stupid retard.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

    Russian political culture is the extremely democratic Zemsky Sobor, Tsar’s power always restrained with the Boyars and others effectively holding a gun to his head (like over abolishing serfdom), frequent rebellions and enacting change from the authorities because of these rebellions or other movements

    Totally ridiculous.

    All dictatorships can be removed by a rebellion. It is a universal characteristic and often the only way to remove them. That goes back all the way to the Romans. Caligula was stabbed by his own guards after years of protecting them. It didn’t mean the system was democratic. The Roman people never had a vote on removing him.

    The Tsars were not democratic. The pre-1917 reforms were too late and never setup a democracy or even close. The Tsars could launch wars on their own and without permission from anyone. That is true today as Putin launched this invasion without even telling the Duma. It was news to them like everyone else.

    If the Russian people were allowed to pick their representatives in the 1900s then the 1917 revolution never would have happened. The Communists would have been a minority party just like in Europe and would not have been able to exploit proletariat disgust with the system. The Communists in fact are on record talking about how they lucked out with WW1. Lenin cheered the poor performance of Russia against Germany as he correctly believed a demoralized military would help hasten in the revolution. They knew the majority opposed them and needed a perfect storm of events to get the backing of the military. Lenin was supposedly ecstatic when the Russians were pushed back. Leftists are truly sick people that will cheer the deaths of their own countrymen out of some twisted vision for utopia.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @John Johnson

    Failing to uphold the power of the state against its rival is how revolutions start. That was obvious in WW1, but a peaceable geopolitical defeat could work too. Thinking along those lines was evident in 2013, when the former head of the US National Endowment for Democracy Carl Gershman, , wrote: “Ukraine is the biggest prize" and if it could be pulled away from Russia and into the West, “Putin may find himself on the losing end not just in the near abroad but within Russia itself.”


    Previously Putin had tried to join Nato (yes multiple Western leaders and Nato officials have said he did). He was fobbed off of course (as Yeltsin was before him). That was when the scales fell from his Putins eyes: Nato was not an anti Soviet alliance but an anti Russian one.

  858. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    One more time: Ukraine will be in Nato only if Kiev wins the war and Russia doesn’t protect itself with nukes. It means never. There is no other scenario that would allow Ukraine to join Nato

    Why is this scenario not possible:
    1. Putin takes his Eastern chunk of Ukraine
    2. Armistice is settled with borders along 4 oblasts
    3. Ukraine can then qualify for NATO with a static border
    4. NATO votes in Ukraine

    There is no reason to assume that Russia can hold out as long as needed in a dirty war.

    The US can impose sanctions on medicine indefinitely while Russia will not be able to find reliable sources for alternatives.

    That is what happened to Venezuela. They falsely assumed that they could buy everything from China and India.

    They stole a bunch of US businesses and then seemed shocked to learn that their medicine imports depended on the US.

    Sometimes it seems that governments buy too heavily into Big Bad US narratives and don't realize that most medicine still comes from the US and Germany. This has been true since the 1900s.

    The left-wing government of Venezuela declared that they don't need the US while Venezuelans in the US were desperately trying to send back medicine.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Armistice is settled with borders along 4 oblasts
    – Ukraine can then qualify for NATO with a static border

    How would you make Russia to agree short of a military defeat by Kiev? They went to war to keep Nato out of Ukraine and they are winning. Nato tried to bluff Russia before and it always backfired – Russia called their bluff in Ossetia, Crimea, Donbas.

    The point is that without either Russian defeat or Russian agreement there will be no Nato in Ukraine. Do you think hey will change their mind? Are you willing to risk a nuclear exchange over it?

    Stop hallucinating about “medicines” and Venezuela, you are lost. Regular drugs are made all around the world, they trade freely and are copied easily. No country will give away its crown jewels for a far-fetched ‘miracle’ drug for a few dozen people. If the MRNA ‘vaccine’ is an example I think Russia is better of without it. We too.

    If you think that Russia is just like Venezuela you are even more retarded than we suspect. By the way, what happened to President Guidado? Did he and Madame Tichanovskaia get married? Are they running a taco-bliny shop in Miami with CIA seed money? Let us know, they had so much promise…

  859. @AP
    @Beckow


    Our experience with Russia is mostly positive –
     
    Because you don't border Russia and were never ruled by Moscow until ~1950-1990. Not coincidentally, this is the time for your negative experiences.

    Those who bordered Russia and/or were ruled by it have extremely negative opinions of Russia. Poles, Balts, Finns, Georgians, Ukrainians. Unless they are highly Russified like the Belarussians.

    If you were a little more thoughtful or honest with yourself you would think about what that means about Russia.


    they [Russians] were on our side against the Habsburgs
     
    They crushed the Hungarians at the invitation of the Hapsburgs.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    …They crushed the Hungarians at the invitation of the Hapsburgs.

    Good, the Magyars were becoming uppity. We and the Croats joined in the crushing…

    1950-1990. Not coincidentally, this is the time for your negative experiences.

    What? About half of our population thinks those were the golden years: population doubled, health care and education became free, everyone had an easy job, housing and infrastructure were build like never before or after, GNP quadrupled….Russians (or Ukies) were nowhere to be seen – it was all us, we did it to ourselves. You know nothing.

    have extremely negative opinions of Russia. Poles, Balts, Finns, Georgians, Ukrainians.

    I think it is mutual and quite universal. Nobody really likes the Poles. And the Galicians or Caucasians, my god, don’t get me started. The French dislike the Germans, Irish the English, Greeks and Turks hate each other, everyone dislikes the noisy meddlesome Americans, Chinese and Koreans absolutely hate the Japanese, Finns resent the Swedes, all neighbors dislike Hungarians…and have you ever met anyone who likes Romanians?

    We are tribal, it comes and goes, but it means nothing. We are not going to fight the Russians for you – they have done nothing to us and you provoked the war. So enjoy the muddy, cold trenches, what will come after will be worse…

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    …They crushed the Hungarians at the invitation of the Hapsburgs.

    Good, the Magyars were becoming uppity. We and the Croats joined in the crushing…
     
    Croats yes. And also Romanians.

    But not so much the Slovaks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1848#Western_Slovak_Uprising

    "The leaders of the Slovak Volunteers, Ľudovít Štúr, Jozef Miloslav Hurban and Michal Miloslav Hodža, struggled to elicit total support from the Slovak nation. Many Slovak peasants were more concerned with the abolition of feudal servitude, and not with wider national goals. Religious differences also played a key role, as the leaders of the Slovak volunteers were predominantly Protestant, which led to difficulties in eliciting support in regions with a catholic Slovak majority.[77] As a result, they could recruit only up to 2,000 people, while a much higher percentage of the Slovak population was serving in the Hungarian Honvédség (Home Guard) among the Hungarian revolutionaries.[78]"

    Some Galicians volunteered to help crush the Magyars.

    My aunt digitized the 19th century memoirs of one of our relatives.

    He wrote how in 1848 the local Rus supported Austria against Hungary. The ladies wore black and yellow ribbons in their hair and the men volunteered to join Rus Freikorps (руські фрайкури). Although the Russians were on the same side and viewed as friends at the time, they were not called Rus but Muscovites (Moskali).

    have extremely negative opinions of Russia. Poles, Balts, Finns, Georgians, Ukrainians.

    I think it is mutual and quite universal. Nobody really likes the Poles. And the Galicians or Caucasians, my god, don’t get me started. The French dislike the Germans, Irish the English
     
    None of these peoples dislike one another nearly as much as everyone ruled by Russia dislikes the Russians. And peoples who have been ruled by Russians and by someone else dislike Russians much more than they do the others, such as Germans.

    You are just wallowing in your ignorance of Russia, safe on the other side of the Carpathians.

    Only the Greek-Turkish, or Greek-Armenian, attitudes are comparable to those of Ukrainians, Balts, Poles and Finns towards Russia. If you were more thoughtful you would understand why that is.

    1950-1990. Not coincidentally, this is the time for your negative experiences.

    What? About half of our population thinks those were the golden years: population doubled, health care and education became free, everyone had an easy job, housing and infrastructure were build like never before or after, GNP quadrupled
     
    That's when you sank relative to those not ruled by Moscow. But Slovaks liked the Nazis too. And they were pretty quiet when it came to the Magyars.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

  860. @German_reader
    @silviosilver

    You're completely right, I have similar feelings. I've always been pessimistic, but still couldn't have imagined the last few years. It just gets worse and worse. Yet most people seem to be fine with it (either enthusiastically in favor, or at least indifferent, going on with their normie lives). Yes, probably not much point to talking about it. Though it still bothers me immensely, since I don't believe any of this would have been inevitable with different choices 30-40 years ago.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123, @silviosilver

    I’ve always been pessimistic, but still couldn’t have imagined the last few years. It just gets worse and worse.

    I understand your feelings. Germany is in terrible shape and getting worse. The only serious party is AfD at 20-25%. They will score victories in the east, but that only addresses local problems. It will be interesting to see if BSW makes it off the ground as an anti-immigration “Left” party.

    Overburden from Brussels compounds the issues. Even countries with strong national governments, such as Hungary, are sabotaged by EU institutions.
    ___

    I am much more hopeful for MAGA. Winning the House and Presidency is high probability. The Senate should have a GOP majority, however that includes some RINO’s. Not great, but vastly better than Trump’s 1st term.

    The key is having reasonable goals for the next 4 years. Compromises will be necessary & inevitable. Highly emotional zealots who demand 100% of absolutely everything instantly will be shrill. Those of us who care about substantive MAGA policy will take the gains that are available, as steps in the right direction. It took decades to dig this hole. It will take multiple MAGA administrations to fix it.
    ____

    Not-The-President Biden is looking weaker than ever. Will the DNC replace him? Without a competitive primary, they do not have a sound replacement strategy:

    • Another white male patriarch would blow up the party. They might try Newsom anyway, but there would be mass defections to Cornell West.
    • Their base demands a PoC female, but there is no obvious choice in that category. Kamala Harris? Michelle Obama? AOC? Oprah?
    • Killary Klinton would check one of the boxes. (shudder)

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @A123

    I don't expect anything positive from Trump, but the alternatives are even less appealing (still think Mikel was right though that DeSantis might have had greater chances, but that's moot now), and at least a 2nd Trump presidency will enrage the right people. So I wish you luck :-)

    , @Beckow
    @A123


    ...The key is having reasonable goals for the next 4 years.
     
    What would be the goals? US needs to get hold of who lives there before it becomes a dumping ground for the world. It needs to re-industrialize. Control large cities and make them livable. Control the money creation and address the un-payable debts. But most of all it needs to pull back from the world - it is too overstretched. You don't want it to happen on the other people terms, and it will at some point if US continues barging around the world like a fat maniac mindlessly tossing dynamite at all 'challengers'...Some ambition is called for, you don't have that much time.

    Given the changing demographics this could be the last cycle the non-ethnic Dems have a chance. Around 15 million people were added in 3 years of Biden - 70% "illegal" but they will fix it. It dwarfs even the insane numbers that have come to Europe.

    There are 8 billion people in the world and about half are redundant - they can be fed and entertained, but there is no economic need for them. In the last few decades they have started to march to the West for the goodies and 'opportunities' - the march is accelerating. If the Bidenites win - they plan to with the old man or without - 25 million more will be added in the next 5 years. At some point the numbers will dictate everything.

    Replies: @A123

  861. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    As the EU and the UK obviously act against their interests on behest or the empire, by your definition they are American slaves, not vassals.
     
    Let me fix that for you:

    As the EU and the UK obviously act against their interests on behest of the European Empire empire, by your definition they are slaves of the Davos WEF Elites, not vassals.

    I tried to be polite so far, but will call them that in the future.
     
    Calling out European Elites for enslaving their own people is an excellent move. This is not the first-time. The phrase, "Let them eat cake" springs immediately to mind.

    It should lead to national revolts in the form of, AfD in Germany, RN in France, etc. Europe needs a "Spartacus" moment where slaves of the Europe Empire tear down European Elites.

    Casting diversionary blame on the U.S. helps the elites of Davos and Berlin. I suggest that there is a better path -- Wielding the truth:

    The problem with Europe is Europe!
    The problem with Germany is Germany!


    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    At the moment Europe has about as much agency as Republic of Palau. Fittingly, European “leaders” (with the exception of very few rebels) are pathetic nonentities.

  862. @A123
    @German_reader


    I’ve always been pessimistic, but still couldn’t have imagined the last few years. It just gets worse and worse.
     
    I understand your feelings. Germany is in terrible shape and getting worse. The only serious party is AfD at 20-25%. They will score victories in the east, but that only addresses local problems. It will be interesting to see if BSW makes it off the ground as an anti-immigration "Left" party.

    Overburden from Brussels compounds the issues. Even countries with strong national governments, such as Hungary, are sabotaged by EU institutions.
    ___

    I am much more hopeful for MAGA. Winning the House and Presidency is high probability. The Senate should have a GOP majority, however that includes some RINO's. Not great, but vastly better than Trump's 1st term.

    The key is having reasonable goals for the next 4 years. Compromises will be necessary & inevitable. Highly emotional zealots who demand 100% of absolutely everything instantly will be shrill. Those of us who care about substantive MAGA policy will take the gains that are available, as steps in the right direction. It took decades to dig this hole. It will take multiple MAGA administrations to fix it.
    ____

    Not-The-President Biden is looking weaker than ever. Will the DNC replace him? Without a competitive primary, they do not have a sound replacement strategy:

    • Another white male patriarch would blow up the party. They might try Newsom anyway, but there would be mass defections to Cornell West.
    • Their base demands a PoC female, but there is no obvious choice in that category. Kamala Harris? Michelle Obama? AOC? Oprah?
    • Killary Klinton would check one of the boxes. (shudder)

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    Replies: @German_reader, @Beckow

    I don’t expect anything positive from Trump, but the alternatives are even less appealing (still think Mikel was right though that DeSantis might have had greater chances, but that’s moot now), and at least a 2nd Trump presidency will enrage the right people. So I wish you luck 🙂

    • Thanks: A123
  863. @Gerard1234
    @AP


    The Russian mentality.
     
    You are about as qualified to talk about "Russian mentality" as you are about "Ukrainian" mentality or knee replacement surgery or any branch of medical science as you know absolute ZERO about it.

    Finland and Poland both had far more freedom, autonomy ,and most importantly - generous financial investment from the Russian treasury than any equivalents to them in German, Habsburg, Spanish, French, British, Swedish empires you dumb prick. In Polish Russia - much of railways built to standard , not Russian gauge either you idiot - which is huge of freedom for the time . Not to forget about plenty of Polish and Finnish elites in Russian empire.

    But Russian political culture only understands master and slave. The “vassal” must serve blindly – so, he s not really a vassal. Russia had a different political legacy.
     
    This is amusingly dumb nonsense is regurgitation of other failed Sovietologists imbecilic "theories" like Pipes or the abnormally ugly bitch Applebaum (wow - I still disturbed by your comment on that you pitiful wakjob). Russian political culture is the extremely democratic Zemsky Sobor, Tsar's power always restrained with the Boyars and others effectively holding a gun to his head (like over abolishing serfdom), frequent rebellions and enacting change from the authorities because of these rebellions or other movements- different to Galician-whore slaves being about 7th place in hierarchy for 600 years. 3 big revolutions in 100 years also you stupid retard.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @AP

    You are about as qualified to talk about “Russian mentality” as you are about “Ukrainian” mentality or knee replacement surgery or any branch of medical science as you know absolute ZERO about it.

    Of the two of us only you lie about your background.

    But Russian political culture only understands master and slave. The “vassal” must serve blindly – so, he s not really a vassal. Russia had a different political legacy.

    This is amusingly dumb nonsense is regurgitation of other failed Sovietologists imbecilic “theories” like Pipes or the abnormally ugly bitch Applebaum

    Or Russians themselves?

    Did Anne Applebaum invent the slogan “Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality?”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodoxy,_Autocracy,_and_Nationality

    She is British, isn’t she? You are some kind of loser in her country. How do you feel about that?

    The Russian historian Vernadsky claimed Ukraine’s democratic ways was a vestige of Rus, that was preserved in lands not as influenced by the Mongol overlords and teachers. I think it rather came from the Poles, the Zaporizhian government was after all based on Polish model, they referenced Polish Sarmatism, and they even used Polish as a language of command.

    Russian political culture is the extremely democratic Zemsky Sobor,

    And the khan had the kurultai, and Stalin had a Politburo. So?

    Tsar’s power always restrained with the Boyars

    On the contrary. The Galician kingdom had strong powers by the boyars (they even poisoned one of their kings and elected one of their own boyars as leader), Novgorod had a sort of democracy, Suzdal (from which Russia emerged) was an autocracy in which the boyars were relatively powerless in comparison to the ruler.

    frequent rebellions

    That were often rather weak, and were crushed because the Tsar was powerful enough to do so. When the Khan dies, civil wars and revolts are possible.

    3 big revolutions in 100 years

    Only one real one (1917) – and naturally led and dominated by non-Russians. They would replace the previous non-Russians ruling over the Slavs and would rule over the Slavs themselves. No more Rurikids (Norsemen) or Germans (Romanovs, Baltic Germans) – it came time for Caucasians, Jews and Latvians to rule over the Russians. 1990 was just a reorganization by Soviet elites.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    The Russian historian Vernadsky claimed Ukraine’s democratic ways was a vestige of Rus, that was preserved in lands not as influenced by the Mongol overlords and teachers. I think it rather came from the Poles, the Zaporizhian government was after all based on Polish model, they referenced Polish Sarmatism, and they even used Polish as a language of command.
     
    Ukrainian Sarmatism was more nuanced then what developed in the rest of the PLC, as it incorporated strong elements of Khazarism. Although the Polish language held sway as the elite or command language within the new state, it changed over time to incorporate a language based on the local Ukrainian vernacular that was even to be used in written documentation. I've never really thought of the Hetmanate as being based on the Polish model, but something more uniquely Ukrainian (local) and basing itself on more of a military structure. Could you elaborate a bit more on why you've come to this conclusion?

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Only one real one (1917) – and naturally led and dominated by non-Russians.
     
    Wasn't the February Revolution, unlike the November Revolution (coup, really), led by Russians? I seem to recall ethnic Russians being strongly represented in the Russian Provisional Government, no?

    Seems like the SRs were the ethnic Russian party in the 1910s, unlike the more multicultural Bolsheviks. Which would probably help explain why an SR-led Russia, even if it would have become a dictatorship, would have been better for ethnic Russians than Bolshevik rule was for them in real life.

    For all of the criticism of the US's regime change wars, Russia 1919 was actually a golden time for the US to pursue a real regime change war had the US actually had the political will for this. Would have likely been extremely beneficial to Russia. Though conquering and pacifying the Russian cities, unlike the Russian countryside, might have proven to be problematic. Though by 1919 the Russian cities were rapidly depopulating due to Bolshevik misrule (the NEP wasn't actually implemented yet). So, capturing and holding them might have been less of a problem for the Americans and their SR Russian allies than one might think.
  864. I have a question for Brits. When Scotland leaves, would United Kingdom be renamed Divided Kingdom? I know that formerly Great formerly Britain describes it best, but there must be an official name.

  865. @A123
    @German_reader


    I’ve always been pessimistic, but still couldn’t have imagined the last few years. It just gets worse and worse.
     
    I understand your feelings. Germany is in terrible shape and getting worse. The only serious party is AfD at 20-25%. They will score victories in the east, but that only addresses local problems. It will be interesting to see if BSW makes it off the ground as an anti-immigration "Left" party.

    Overburden from Brussels compounds the issues. Even countries with strong national governments, such as Hungary, are sabotaged by EU institutions.
    ___

    I am much more hopeful for MAGA. Winning the House and Presidency is high probability. The Senate should have a GOP majority, however that includes some RINO's. Not great, but vastly better than Trump's 1st term.

    The key is having reasonable goals for the next 4 years. Compromises will be necessary & inevitable. Highly emotional zealots who demand 100% of absolutely everything instantly will be shrill. Those of us who care about substantive MAGA policy will take the gains that are available, as steps in the right direction. It took decades to dig this hole. It will take multiple MAGA administrations to fix it.
    ____

    Not-The-President Biden is looking weaker than ever. Will the DNC replace him? Without a competitive primary, they do not have a sound replacement strategy:

    • Another white male patriarch would blow up the party. They might try Newsom anyway, but there would be mass defections to Cornell West.
    • Their base demands a PoC female, but there is no obvious choice in that category. Kamala Harris? Michelle Obama? AOC? Oprah?
    • Killary Klinton would check one of the boxes. (shudder)

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    Replies: @German_reader, @Beckow

    …The key is having reasonable goals for the next 4 years.

    What would be the goals? US needs to get hold of who lives there before it becomes a dumping ground for the world. It needs to re-industrialize. Control large cities and make them livable. Control the money creation and address the un-payable debts. But most of all it needs to pull back from the world – it is too overstretched. You don’t want it to happen on the other people terms, and it will at some point if US continues barging around the world like a fat maniac mindlessly tossing dynamite at all ‘challengers’…Some ambition is called for, you don’t have that much time.

    Given the changing demographics this could be the last cycle the non-ethnic Dems have a chance. Around 15 million people were added in 3 years of Biden – 70% “illegal” but they will fix it. It dwarfs even the insane numbers that have come to Europe.

    There are 8 billion people in the world and about half are redundant – they can be fed and entertained, but there is no economic need for them. In the last few decades they have started to march to the West for the goodies and ‘opportunities’ – the march is accelerating. If the Bidenites win – they plan to with the old man or without – 25 million more will be added in the next 5 years. At some point the numbers will dictate everything.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Beckow


    What would be the goals? US needs to get hold of who lives there before it becomes a dumping ground for the world.
     
    -1- At a minimum Trump will reinstate Title 42 cutting illegal migration by 75%+.
    -2- Middle case would be changing asylum regulations/laws so that nationals having both a "closer & safer" option are ineligible.
    -3- Best case is repealing "birthright citizenship". It is simply not in the Constitution.

    The practical strategy is to begin down the road for all 3. Take the low hanging fruit of #1 to lock it in. If #2 and #3 can be won in 4 years... Excellent. If not, those fights will fall to the next MAGA administration.

    It needs to re-industrialize.
     
    Absolutely. I have discussed the need for MAGA Reindustrialization many times. This goes hand in hand with gradual decoupling from Asia generally and the CCP specifically.

    Again, this is not something that can be achieved overnight. Large industrial builds take years. Plus, there is the need to work on education and training to yield a skilled workforce aligned to those professions.

    If I were in charge, I would setup a program of tariffs that started low, then inexorably & predictably stepped up over a 10-20 year period. I have no idea if Trump will start that exact concept in his 2nd term. Even if he does, the true test of the program would kick in under his MAGA successors.

    Some ambition is called for, you don’t have that much time.
     
    I somewhat concur. However, if over ambition yields no tangible gains, that is a loss. Demanding 100% of absolutely everything! Instantly! guarantees a return of nothing.
    ___

    America has one huge advantage. Relatively few of the migrants are followers of the Anti-Christ Muhammad. The biggest issue is lower HBD potential. If the numbers can be brought down, much of the population can be assimilated. Only a portion of detritus needs expulsion.

    Europe has the self inflicted, disastrous problem of importing Islamists. Followers of Jihad are incapable of assimilation. Smart European nations are keeping this threat out, or minimizing it. Germany, France, and the UK desperately need active, large scale Muslim Decolonization. I do not know if any of the three have the will. Plus, the EU would no doubt interfere.

    PEACE 😇
  866. @John Johnson
    @Gerard1234

    Russian political culture is the extremely democratic Zemsky Sobor, Tsar’s power always restrained with the Boyars and others effectively holding a gun to his head (like over abolishing serfdom), frequent rebellions and enacting change from the authorities because of these rebellions or other movements

    Totally ridiculous.

    All dictatorships can be removed by a rebellion. It is a universal characteristic and often the only way to remove them. That goes back all the way to the Romans. Caligula was stabbed by his own guards after years of protecting them. It didn't mean the system was democratic. The Roman people never had a vote on removing him.

    The Tsars were not democratic. The pre-1917 reforms were too late and never setup a democracy or even close. The Tsars could launch wars on their own and without permission from anyone. That is true today as Putin launched this invasion without even telling the Duma. It was news to them like everyone else.

    If the Russian people were allowed to pick their representatives in the 1900s then the 1917 revolution never would have happened. The Communists would have been a minority party just like in Europe and would not have been able to exploit proletariat disgust with the system. The Communists in fact are on record talking about how they lucked out with WW1. Lenin cheered the poor performance of Russia against Germany as he correctly believed a demoralized military would help hasten in the revolution. They knew the majority opposed them and needed a perfect storm of events to get the backing of the military. Lenin was supposedly ecstatic when the Russians were pushed back. Leftists are truly sick people that will cheer the deaths of their own countrymen out of some twisted vision for utopia.

    Replies: @Sean

    Failing to uphold the power of the state against its rival is how revolutions start. That was obvious in WW1, but a peaceable geopolitical defeat could work too. Thinking along those lines was evident in 2013, when the former head of the US National Endowment for Democracy Carl Gershman, , wrote: “Ukraine is the biggest prize” and if it could be pulled away from Russia and into the West, “Putin may find himself on the losing end not just in the near abroad but within Russia itself.”

    Previously Putin had tried to join Nato (yes multiple Western leaders and Nato officials have said he did). He was fobbed off of course (as Yeltsin was before him). That was when the scales fell from his Putins eyes: Nato was not an anti Soviet alliance but an anti Russian one.

  867. @songbird
    @sudden death


    Most probably, therefore China could have a hope to return into several centuries old boundaries at the expense of RF;)
     
    Egad, several centuries? Don't want to sound like a pessimist, but I think plenty of countries won't be around by then in the same form as now.

    I'd be very surprised if anyone was still speaking German, let alone the Baltic languages, or Irish. I think Europeans will have a new ethnogenesis. Possibly even East Asians will amalgamate together.

    I think by then, the territorial conflicts might be in space.

    Replies: @sudden death, @LatW

    I’d be very surprised if anyone was still speaking German, let alone the Baltic languages, or Irish.

    Not sure about Irish but German and the Baltic languages will very likely be spoken (unless there is some kind of a Fallout type of scenario). The speakers of the languages will remain, it’s just that they will not be predominantly descended from those peoples. Given how many people are coming into the EU (and at least partially assimilating into the culture), it’s probably safe to say that even smaller Indo-European languages will live longer than their respective European nations in their pure genetic form.

    Hopefully, it will not be all the so called kanackendeutch (Turkified German spoken by some German lower class boys). Probably not most of it.

    Also, several centuries is not even that long, you can count the generations that would be included there. Of course, the change is also faster than ever before.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW

    Chaucer, who wrote in the 14th Century, well under the thousand-year-mark, is scarcely comprehensible.

    IMO, the pace of language shift has vastly increased.

    I've seen a fair number of Chinese movies, and it seems quite rare to see one not set in historical times that does not have any English in it. Though often it is only a foreigner speaking it.

    Meanwhile, in Indian movies, though I am less familiar with them, it seems quite common for a character to randomly insert a whole English sentence, within his native speech.

    Germans must consider themselves lucky to fit a masculine gender to an English word, like with der Computer.

    Of course, it may be that English will lose a lot of its status in the near future.

    Replies: @LatW

  868. Biden Stupidity

    Re: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2024/02/09/remarks-by-president-biden-and-chancellor-olaf-scholz-of-germany-before-bilateral-meeting/

    Excerpt –

    Kissinger was right when he said: Not since Napoleon has Europe not looked over its shoulder and worried about Russia — until now.

    Did Kissinger actually say that?

    Neocons and neolibs are schizo on Russia. Recall Blinken absurdly saying this past June that Russia had the second strongest military in Ukraine’s Communist drawn boundary.

    Napoleon and his allies attacked Russia. Russia suffered in that process, but also got stronger – somewhat similar to today’s scenario regarding NATO’s proxy war against Russia.

    In opposing Napoleon, Russia was allied with Austria, Britain and Prussia, while being on good terms with the US. Russia triumphantly entered Paris but left. Close to 100,000 Poles (an especially large number at the time) joined Napoleon in his attack on Russia. Poland had earlier threatened Russia in the mid 1500s to early 1600s.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Mikhail

    After the French the Poles were probably the most effective contingent in the Grande Armee's 1812 invasion, and they certainly had more local knowledge than the other nationalities in the invasion force.

  869. @Beckow
    @LatW


    you are small and not very strong on your own – they (Russia) will bully you.

     

    We are also normal and don't seek conflict. Bullying is everywhere all the time - what is Brussels and US are doing if not bullying? The only time Russia bullied us was when they insisted for after WW2 that we have a particular commie system (it wasn't all bad either)...what are they going to bully us about? To buy their gas and how to vote in UN? Today Brussels insists we take migrants, have LGBQTW celebrations, buy useless weapons and send soldiers to fight in Third World sh..tholes...

    There is no contradiction in correctly describing reality with varied strains and trade-offs. EU is also full of contradictions - good, bad, changing over time.


    not be looking forward to living next door to Ukraine that’s fully occupied by the RusFed
     
    Yes, that would not be a good thing but I doubt it will come to that. The unhinged nationalist Ukraine with Bandera marchers, wild-eyed refugees smuggling cabbage pots and stealing our cars is not great either. It is messy.

    What grinds on us most is the incredible stupidity and the teary-eyed Euro-devotion that the Ukies display - they abandoned who they are, offer themselves for sale, demand, beg, lack spine and self-awareness. We have some people like that and this feeds them. I don't mind messy but this is a depressing nihilism.

    Maidan was a fatal mistake - the Ukies opted to destroy their own country hoping for salvation from people who care nothing for them and only want to use them to hurt Russians. You don't get to export your mistakes: we told you it was stupid, now you see it, it is too late. Nature is like that...

    Replies: @LatW

    what is Brussels and US are doing if not bullying?

    Yes, but with them there is at least some kind of a leverage (and they also provide something in return), so if it got really unacceptable, hypothetically one can put their foot down or say “no” (or at least say “no” on certain occasions). Russia will threaten with its size and force if they manage to get that far – as I said, for now Azov has your back). Russia is also way more rigid about certain things (ideology, money/gas, etc), even if one can live with Russia, too. It’s far from ideal (and they are too slow to change from the current regime and the way of thinking in general).

    buy useless weapons

    Weapons are never useless, they are like precious metal coins – even tungsten is a good thing to hold – you can always resell them, the only question is the price and whether one should not attempt to produce them oneself (and your neighboring Czechs are very well known for this, their guns are very popular in the US).

    send soldiers to fight in Third World sh..tholes…

    Recently few have gone anywhere – and those are professional soldiers who want to make that money and gain experience. They are not forced or “sent” (the way one is sent under the so called “Russian world”). That said, I also believe that we should start being much more picky about this if the Americans continue their current behavior… our soldiers (and the Ukrainian soldiers) are a very valuable asset. You have to weigh out how valuable those overseas experiences really are (and maybe there will be action at home…jk).

    What grinds on us most is the incredible stupidity and the teary-eyed Euro-devotion that the Ukies display – they abandoned who they are, offer themselves for sale, demand, beg, lack spine and self-awareness.

    You must be viewing things from your prism – there are different kinds of thoughts floating around in Ukraine right now, there is some conversation about how to preserve their own interests even in the current situation. Even if they were politically integrated into the European system, they would still have some backbone, more so than probably your people (and definitely mine), they can be quite direct and they are high IQ – they just need more economic and institutional strength. This is also something to weigh out – how to balance the “give and take” there.

    Maidan was a fatal mistake

    You view this as something that is purely rational, deliberate, planned. There is another way of looking at it – it’s a historical process, that yearning was always there and it just finally manifested, it can also be viewed as the continuous crumbling of the Russian Empire. This is why we have Putin wanting to rant and make “corrections” about history endlessly, because Maidan exposes the vulnerabilities of the Russian historical narrative.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    EU also provide something in return...hypothetically one can put their foot down or say “no”
     
    So when the bully pays you it is ok? Saying "no"...let's see, what is EU doing to Hungary and until last year to Poland? The pimp is never all-powerful and has to share with his flock. But you know the relationship you are in...

    Russia is also way more rigid about certain things, ideology
     
    Russia has no ideology, but Brussels is the home of globo-homo-liberal ideology (or is it London?)...you seem confused.

    Weapons are never useless
     
    Sure they are, nothing loses value as fast...one can't consume them, they are a net burden on normal living standards.

    send soldiers to fight in Third World sh..tholes…
    Recently few have gone anywhere – and those are professional soldiers
     
    What is "recently"? Czechia and Slovakia lost a few hundred men fighting for Nato in sh..thole places. Guess what, Russia never asked us for any soldiers - you seem to be lying about it or confuse us with yourself. "Professional" is an empty term, all soldiers today are professional and get paid.

    that yearning was always there and it just finally manifested...because Maidan exposes the vulnerabilities of the Russian historical narrative.
     
    What was then the famous Orange Revolution of 2004? It happens again and again - the yearning for the West and going back to a more authentic (realistic) view of themselves. All historical narratives are partial - US is a master of cherrypickin. I think we agreed that can't be fixed...:)

    The Ukie yearning has no backbone, it is a complete subservience and a one-sided embrace of Western ideology. They also don't have much of an IQ: Maidan madness was pretty stupid - actually incoherent, all emotions and one-sided devotion to the West - and it was implemented in the most incompetent way possible.

    You will say that's the way E Slavs are - still, they screwed it up. Russia handed it to them on a silver platter and they dropped it. I won't go over the mistakes, they were obvious and catastrophic. At one point US honchos had to fly in to reign in the nationalist fanatics and put in some structure. That bodes poorly for any "backbone" in EU in the future.

    Replies: @LatW

  870. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...They crushed the Hungarians at the invitation of the Hapsburgs.
     
    Good, the Magyars were becoming uppity. We and the Croats joined in the crushing...

    1950-1990. Not coincidentally, this is the time for your negative experiences.
     
    What? About half of our population thinks those were the golden years: population doubled, health care and education became free, everyone had an easy job, housing and infrastructure were build like never before or after, GNP quadrupled....Russians (or Ukies) were nowhere to be seen - it was all us, we did it to ourselves. You know nothing.

    have extremely negative opinions of Russia. Poles, Balts, Finns, Georgians, Ukrainians.
     
    I think it is mutual and quite universal. Nobody really likes the Poles. And the Galicians or Caucasians, my god, don't get me started. The French dislike the Germans, Irish the English, Greeks and Turks hate each other, everyone dislikes the noisy meddlesome Americans, Chinese and Koreans absolutely hate the Japanese, Finns resent the Swedes, all neighbors dislike Hungarians...and have you ever met anyone who likes Romanians?

    We are tribal, it comes and goes, but it means nothing. We are not going to fight the Russians for you - they have done nothing to us and you provoked the war. So enjoy the muddy, cold trenches, what will come after will be worse...

    Replies: @AP

    …They crushed the Hungarians at the invitation of the Hapsburgs.

    Good, the Magyars were becoming uppity. We and the Croats joined in the crushing…

    Croats yes. And also Romanians.

    But not so much the Slovaks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1848#Western_Slovak_Uprising

    “The leaders of the Slovak Volunteers, Ľudovít Štúr, Jozef Miloslav Hurban and Michal Miloslav Hodža, struggled to elicit total support from the Slovak nation. Many Slovak peasants were more concerned with the abolition of feudal servitude, and not with wider national goals. Religious differences also played a key role, as the leaders of the Slovak volunteers were predominantly Protestant, which led to difficulties in eliciting support in regions with a catholic Slovak majority.[77] As a result, they could recruit only up to 2,000 people, while a much higher percentage of the Slovak population was serving in the Hungarian Honvédség (Home Guard) among the Hungarian revolutionaries.[78]”

    Some Galicians volunteered to help crush the Magyars.

    My aunt digitized the 19th century memoirs of one of our relatives.

    He wrote how in 1848 the local Rus supported Austria against Hungary. The ladies wore black and yellow ribbons in their hair and the men volunteered to join Rus Freikorps (руські фрайкури). Although the Russians were on the same side and viewed as friends at the time, they were not called Rus but Muscovites (Moskali).

    have extremely negative opinions of Russia. Poles, Balts, Finns, Georgians, Ukrainians.

    I think it is mutual and quite universal. Nobody really likes the Poles. And the Galicians or Caucasians, my god, don’t get me started. The French dislike the Germans, Irish the English

    None of these peoples dislike one another nearly as much as everyone ruled by Russia dislikes the Russians. And peoples who have been ruled by Russians and by someone else dislike Russians much more than they do the others, such as Germans.

    You are just wallowing in your ignorance of Russia, safe on the other side of the Carpathians.

    Only the Greek-Turkish, or Greek-Armenian, attitudes are comparable to those of Ukrainians, Balts, Poles and Finns towards Russia. If you were more thoughtful you would understand why that is.

    1950-1990. Not coincidentally, this is the time for your negative experiences.

    What? About half of our population thinks those were the golden years: population doubled, health care and education became free, everyone had an easy job, housing and infrastructure were build like never before or after, GNP quadrupled

    That’s when you sank relative to those not ruled by Moscow. But Slovaks liked the Nazis too. And they were pretty quiet when it came to the Magyars.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Only the Greek-Turkish, or Greek-Armenian, attitudes are comparable to those of Ukrainians, Balts, Poles and Finns towards Russia. If you were more thoughtful you would understand why that is.
     
    You mean the Turkish-Armenian, no? Greeks and Armenians don't hate each other, to my knowledge. Why would they when both of them have been victimized by the Turks?

    Also, don't a lot of China's neighbors dislike China? Russia likes China, and Central Asia might be OK towards it due to a desire to use it as a counterbalance against Russia, but countries like Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, and the Philippines don't appear to be all that fond of China.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Beckow
    @AP


    None of these peoples dislike one another nearly as much...Russians.
     
    How could anyone know? Do you have some sort of "hatred index" that an objective NGO paid by Western governments maintains? Nonsense, neighbouring nations often dislike each other - it is not measurable and changes over time. In my experience the deepest hatred is of Koreans for Japs and Irish for English, but it is also only shallow impression.

    What would be the Polish attitude toward Russians in 1946? They were just saved from extermination...but given the Poles are the most ungrateful chujova rasa I wouldn't expect much.


    ...you sank relative to
     
    "Relative" means nothing, we quadrupled our living standards in 40 years...it is like arguing that Gates is a 'relative' failure because Musk is even richer.

    leaders of the Slovak volunteers were predominantly Protestant, which led to difficulties in eliciting support in regions with a catholic Slovak majority
     
    There were 6,000 volunteers and 10k total participants - the wiki is often nonsense, manipulated 'history' by those who care a lot, in this case probably Magyars living in US. You can go to the Myjava museum and see the names of the 6k, it is true that majority were Protestants and there were many volunteers from Morava. Croats did better, but in any case the Magyar nationalist madness was put down for a generation. Then it started again and we had to do it again. The Galicians should learn that's how it works...

    Replies: @AP

  871. @Mikhail
    Biden Stupidity

    Re: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2024/02/09/remarks-by-president-biden-and-chancellor-olaf-scholz-of-germany-before-bilateral-meeting/

    Excerpt -

    Kissinger was right when he said: Not since Napoleon has Europe not looked over its shoulder and worried about Russia — until now.

     

    Did Kissinger actually say that?

    Neocons and neolibs are schizo on Russia. Recall Blinken absurdly saying this past June that Russia had the second strongest military in Ukraine's Communist drawn boundary.

    Napoleon and his allies attacked Russia. Russia suffered in that process, but also got stronger - somewhat similar to today's scenario regarding NATO's proxy war against Russia.

    In opposing Napoleon, Russia was allied with Austria, Britain and Prussia, while being on good terms with the US. Russia triumphantly entered Paris but left. Close to 100,000 Poles (an especially large number at the time) joined Napoleon in his attack on Russia. Poland had earlier threatened Russia in the mid 1500s to early 1600s.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    After the French the Poles were probably the most effective contingent in the Grande Armee’s 1812 invasion, and they certainly had more local knowledge than the other nationalities in the invasion force.

    • Agree: Mikhail
  872. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    You could use a more productive fantasy life. Less Stanley Kubrick and more Alan Moore.

    https://www.amazon.com/Hecate-Black-Arts-Liber-Necromantia/dp/B09TDPHHRL/

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

    [MORE]

    You could use a more productive fantasy life.

    You are probably right. Although the scenario I painted, even if far fetched, is not entirely unrealistic these days (and it can easily be embellished). Unless one learns to “rule chaos with chaos magic”, if that’s what you meant.

    Btw, the title you linked to reminds me of my beloved ex-boyfriend from days long gone (now simply friend), he would’ve made a similar remark as you did (he liked me, but I was often not deep and nuanced enough for him or not artsy/aesthetic/refined enough plus he totally hated politics). He had read tons of Wiccan literature as well as fantasy books (he was a huge fan of Ursula Le Guin) and we listened to a lot of bands that had Hecate and Hades in their title (as well as Ishtar, Astarte, etc etc). So some of that did reflect on me – off of his magical persona. But as one moves into adult life, this doesn’t always stick and if one doesn’t cultivate these things they pass into distance. But you are right – one must not have a rigid mind.

    Here is one of his all time favorite bands (there is a wonderful female vocal in this song).

    I call Hekate of the Crossroads, worshipped at the meeting of three paths,
    Of Heaven, Earth, and also Sea,

    Saffron robed, funerary,
    Celebrating with shades of the dead
    Daughter of Perses, Fond of Solitude
    Nocturnal, Heralded by the roar of wild beasts,

    I call Hekate of the Crossroads, worshipped at the meeting of three paths,
    Of Heaven, Earth, and also Sea

  873. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    You are about as qualified to talk about “Russian mentality” as you are about “Ukrainian” mentality or knee replacement surgery or any branch of medical science as you know absolute ZERO about it.
     
    Of the two of us only you lie about your background.

    But Russian political culture only understands master and slave. The “vassal” must serve blindly – so, he s not really a vassal. Russia had a different political legacy.

    This is amusingly dumb nonsense is regurgitation of other failed Sovietologists imbecilic “theories” like Pipes or the abnormally ugly bitch Applebaum

     

    Or Russians themselves?

    Did Anne Applebaum invent the slogan "Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality?"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodoxy,_Autocracy,_and_Nationality

    She is British, isn't she? You are some kind of loser in her country. How do you feel about that?

    The Russian historian Vernadsky claimed Ukraine's democratic ways was a vestige of Rus, that was preserved in lands not as influenced by the Mongol overlords and teachers. I think it rather came from the Poles, the Zaporizhian government was after all based on Polish model, they referenced Polish Sarmatism, and they even used Polish as a language of command.

    Russian political culture is the extremely democratic Zemsky Sobor,
     
    And the khan had the kurultai, and Stalin had a Politburo. So?

    Tsar’s power always restrained with the Boyars
     
    On the contrary. The Galician kingdom had strong powers by the boyars (they even poisoned one of their kings and elected one of their own boyars as leader), Novgorod had a sort of democracy, Suzdal (from which Russia emerged) was an autocracy in which the boyars were relatively powerless in comparison to the ruler.

    frequent rebellions
     
    That were often rather weak, and were crushed because the Tsar was powerful enough to do so. When the Khan dies, civil wars and revolts are possible.

    3 big revolutions in 100 years
     
    Only one real one (1917) - and naturally led and dominated by non-Russians. They would replace the previous non-Russians ruling over the Slavs and would rule over the Slavs themselves. No more Rurikids (Norsemen) or Germans (Romanovs, Baltic Germans) - it came time for Caucasians, Jews and Latvians to rule over the Russians. 1990 was just a reorganization by Soviet elites.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    The Russian historian Vernadsky claimed Ukraine’s democratic ways was a vestige of Rus, that was preserved in lands not as influenced by the Mongol overlords and teachers. I think it rather came from the Poles, the Zaporizhian government was after all based on Polish model, they referenced Polish Sarmatism, and they even used Polish as a language of command.

    Ukrainian Sarmatism was more nuanced then what developed in the rest of the PLC, as it incorporated strong elements of Khazarism. Although the Polish language held sway as the elite or command language within the new state, it changed over time to incorporate a language based on the local Ukrainian vernacular that was even to be used in written documentation. I’ve never really thought of the Hetmanate as being based on the Polish model, but something more uniquely Ukrainian (local) and basing itself on more of a military structure. Could you elaborate a bit more on why you’ve come to this conclusion?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    Ukrainian Sarmatism was more nuanced then what developed in the rest of the PLC, as it incorporated strong elements of Khazarism.
     
    The Cossack "Khazarism" was a local copy of Polish Sarmatism. Sarmatists thought that Polish nobles descended from the nomadic Sarmatians. We now know that Sarmatians were an Indo-European people but an the Early Modern it was erroneously thought that they were Turkic. As were the Khazars. So being descended from Khazars supposedly made Ukrainian Cossacks equal peers and cousins to the "Sarmatian" Polish nobility. And, indeed, most of the Cossack officers themselves were members of the petty nobility.

    This idea also viewed Poles and Ukrainians peers and equal to the Turks, who at that time were not the joke they became centuries later, but rather had the most powerful single state in Europe.

    Although the Polish language held sway as the elite or command language within the new state, it changed over time to incorporate a language based on the local Ukrainian vernacular that was even to be used in written documentation
     
    There were also numerous Polish printing presses in the Hetmanate - I think more than any printing presses in Muscovy.

    I’ve never really thought of the Hetmanate as being based on the Polish model, but something more uniquely Ukrainian (local) and basing itself on more of a military structure.
     
    The Ruthenians were heavily influenced by Poland and were an integral part of it. Their elites spoke the Polish language, and even the famous Orthodox Kiev Academy was based on a Jesuit model with Polish and Latin among the languages of instruction. It follows that the government would similarly reflect Polish ways. Indeed, just as Poland was a "republic of nobles" with an elected king, so the Hetmanate was a "republic of Cossack officers" with an elected Hetman.

    So despite being Orthodox, calling themselves Rusnaks, and warring with the Poles, the Eastern Slavs of Ukraine were simply living in a Polish mental world shared with their western brothers. They just took certain concepts such as elected rulers for granted - concepts that were alien to Muscovites.

    Here is an article about the Bendery Zaporizhian Cossack Constitution of 1710:

    https://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CB%5CE%5CBenderyConstitutionof.htm

    Bendery, Constitution of (Бендерсъка конституція; Benderska konstytutsiia). A covenant signed on 16 April 1710 in Bendery by the newly elected Hetman Pylyp Orlyk with his officers and the Zaporozhian Cossacks. The title of the document, Pacta et Constitutiones Legum Libertatumque Exercitus Zaporoviensis, indicates that the treaty was modeled on the pacta conventa that the Polish nobility made with their newly elected kings.

    :::::::::::::::

    This is why despite various cultural similarities, Ukrainians are simply a very bad fit with Russians in the same state. They have different political values. Russians want a despot - hopefully a kind one, but still. Ukrainians want to be able to kick out someone they don't like anymore.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  874. @LatW
    @Beckow

    what is Brussels and US are doing if not bullying?
     

    Yes, but with them there is at least some kind of a leverage (and they also provide something in return), so if it got really unacceptable, hypothetically one can put their foot down or say "no" (or at least say "no" on certain occasions). Russia will threaten with its size and force if they manage to get that far - as I said, for now Azov has your back). Russia is also way more rigid about certain things (ideology, money/gas, etc), even if one can live with Russia, too. It's far from ideal (and they are too slow to change from the current regime and the way of thinking in general).

    buy useless weapons
     
    Weapons are never useless, they are like precious metal coins - even tungsten is a good thing to hold - you can always resell them, the only question is the price and whether one should not attempt to produce them oneself (and your neighboring Czechs are very well known for this, their guns are very popular in the US).

    send soldiers to fight in Third World sh..tholes…
     
    Recently few have gone anywhere - and those are professional soldiers who want to make that money and gain experience. They are not forced or "sent" (the way one is sent under the so called "Russian world"). That said, I also believe that we should start being much more picky about this if the Americans continue their current behavior... our soldiers (and the Ukrainian soldiers) are a very valuable asset. You have to weigh out how valuable those overseas experiences really are (and maybe there will be action at home...jk).

    What grinds on us most is the incredible stupidity and the teary-eyed Euro-devotion that the Ukies display – they abandoned who they are, offer themselves for sale, demand, beg, lack spine and self-awareness.
     
    You must be viewing things from your prism - there are different kinds of thoughts floating around in Ukraine right now, there is some conversation about how to preserve their own interests even in the current situation. Even if they were politically integrated into the European system, they would still have some backbone, more so than probably your people (and definitely mine), they can be quite direct and they are high IQ - they just need more economic and institutional strength. This is also something to weigh out - how to balance the "give and take" there.

    Maidan was a fatal mistake
     
    You view this as something that is purely rational, deliberate, planned. There is another way of looking at it - it's a historical process, that yearning was always there and it just finally manifested, it can also be viewed as the continuous crumbling of the Russian Empire. This is why we have Putin wanting to rant and make "corrections" about history endlessly, because Maidan exposes the vulnerabilities of the Russian historical narrative.

    Replies: @Beckow

    EU also provide something in return…hypothetically one can put their foot down or say “no”

    So when the bully pays you it is ok? Saying “no”…let’s see, what is EU doing to Hungary and until last year to Poland? The pimp is never all-powerful and has to share with his flock. But you know the relationship you are in…

    Russia is also way more rigid about certain things, ideology

    Russia has no ideology, but Brussels is the home of globo-homo-liberal ideology (or is it London?)…you seem confused.

    Weapons are never useless

    Sure they are, nothing loses value as fast…one can’t consume them, they are a net burden on normal living standards.

    send soldiers to fight in Third World sh..tholes…
    Recently few have gone anywhere – and those are professional soldiers

    What is “recently”? Czechia and Slovakia lost a few hundred men fighting for Nato in sh..thole places. Guess what, Russia never asked us for any soldiers – you seem to be lying about it or confuse us with yourself. “Professional” is an empty term, all soldiers today are professional and get paid.

    that yearning was always there and it just finally manifested…because Maidan exposes the vulnerabilities of the Russian historical narrative.

    What was then the famous Orange Revolution of 2004? It happens again and again – the yearning for the West and going back to a more authentic (realistic) view of themselves. All historical narratives are partial – US is a master of cherrypickin. I think we agreed that can’t be fixed…:)

    The Ukie yearning has no backbone, it is a complete subservience and a one-sided embrace of Western ideology. They also don’t have much of an IQ: Maidan madness was pretty stupid – actually incoherent, all emotions and one-sided devotion to the West – and it was implemented in the most incompetent way possible.

    You will say that’s the way E Slavs are – still, they screwed it up. Russia handed it to them on a silver platter and they dropped it. I won’t go over the mistakes, they were obvious and catastrophic. At one point US honchos had to fly in to reign in the nationalist fanatics and put in some structure. That bodes poorly for any “backbone” in EU in the future.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    So when the bully pays you it is ok?
     
    I didn't mean "payment" (although there is a mutual exchange of value). I was thinking more along the lines of "safety in numbers" and similar mindsets. This can probably exist even without the Brussels bureaucracy or the international banking sector. Of course, simple nationalism is ok, too, without the EU, and in some ways even preferable.

    Russia has no ideology
     
    It's true that Russia does not have a solid, overarching ideology - Russia has what they call skrepi - what can roughly be translated as "braces"( or "binders" or "staplers") - mythological concepts that are supposed to hold the nation together. But Russia is also peddling a strange mix of ideologies - a mix of Sovok myths and pseudo-imperialist ideas reminiscent of the Black Hundreds. This is not that attractive to the surrounding nations, to put it mildly. And they will soon run into contradictions by doing this - Putin's interview with Tucker already had some indications of it.

    one can’t consume them, they are a net burden on normal living standards.
     
    They are expensive, but metal is always valuable in and of itself. After the collapse of the USSR, the collection and re-sale of the so called colored metals was the number one gig in town.

    Guess what, Russia never asked us for any soldiers – you seem to be lying about it or confuse us with yourself.
     
    Under the Soviet Union (not Russia), in the event of the Cold War turning into a hot one, our fathers and grandfathers were to be sacrificed first and your fathers were kept as the reserve - to be sacrificed later, you were the kind of a second layer. It doesn't mean you were free because this was always hanging over you. To me, this alone would be a problem - to have someone else rule over me that way, to be inside the USSR - even worse.

    “Professional” is an empty term, all soldiers today are professional and get paid.
     
    Yes, they are all professional (except the National guard), but you know very well that joining a tour in Iraq or Afghanistan was absolutely voluntary. It was a choice because you could make a little bit extra money and also gain some real combat experience. And this was 20 years ago!

    What was then the famous Orange Revolution of 2004? It happens again and again – the yearning for the West
     
    They needed several tries, because they had not done it in 1989, like we did. And this is not just about aligning with the West, it is above all about their national identity - it is actually very sad that they have to go through such a heavy ordeal to get something that every nation should be entitled to.

    Replies: @Sean, @Beckow

  875. @German_reader
    @songbird


    One of these days, I would like to work with A123 to turn GR to the Darkside, and make him an American.
     
    If you manage to repeal the 13th, 14th, 15th and 19th amendments and turn the US back into something like what Thomas Jefferson (or someone like Henry Clay) wanted it to be, I'd be very interested in emigrating to the US and becoming an American.
    But otherwise, I can't see the point.

    Replies: @songbird

    If you manage to repeal the 13th

    Swear that somewhere in the Táin Bó Cúailnge, there is a dialogue between one of the invaders and Cú Chulainn. He proposes to make a deal to have Cú Chulainn stop fighting their army single-handedly by leaving the female slaves (while taking their women), and then Cú Chulainn says something like “but then our children would be slaves.”

    At times, I’ve wondered how much slavery in Europe was the result of fractious politics and warfare, and how much a hereditary caste that may have been different in capacities, in some way or other.

    Anyway, your radical proposal to bring it back is food for thought. Perhaps, in the right hands, it would be a useful hobgoblin and tool for maintaining the border.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Slavery is obsolete. We now have fascism, corporations, and if the peasants get restless there will be another terror act to inflict PTSD upon the mass and calm them down. Nominal freedom is now trivial to manage. They don't even attempt to hide it.

    Replies: @songbird

  876. @Beckow
    @A123


    ...The key is having reasonable goals for the next 4 years.
     
    What would be the goals? US needs to get hold of who lives there before it becomes a dumping ground for the world. It needs to re-industrialize. Control large cities and make them livable. Control the money creation and address the un-payable debts. But most of all it needs to pull back from the world - it is too overstretched. You don't want it to happen on the other people terms, and it will at some point if US continues barging around the world like a fat maniac mindlessly tossing dynamite at all 'challengers'...Some ambition is called for, you don't have that much time.

    Given the changing demographics this could be the last cycle the non-ethnic Dems have a chance. Around 15 million people were added in 3 years of Biden - 70% "illegal" but they will fix it. It dwarfs even the insane numbers that have come to Europe.

    There are 8 billion people in the world and about half are redundant - they can be fed and entertained, but there is no economic need for them. In the last few decades they have started to march to the West for the goodies and 'opportunities' - the march is accelerating. If the Bidenites win - they plan to with the old man or without - 25 million more will be added in the next 5 years. At some point the numbers will dictate everything.

    Replies: @A123

    What would be the goals? US needs to get hold of who lives there before it becomes a dumping ground for the world.

    -1- At a minimum Trump will reinstate Title 42 cutting illegal migration by 75%+.
    -2- Middle case would be changing asylum regulations/laws so that nationals having both a “closer & safer” option are ineligible.
    -3- Best case is repealing “birthright citizenship”. It is simply not in the Constitution.

    The practical strategy is to begin down the road for all 3. Take the low hanging fruit of #1 to lock it in. If #2 and #3 can be won in 4 years… Excellent. If not, those fights will fall to the next MAGA administration.

    It needs to re-industrialize.

    Absolutely. I have discussed the need for MAGA Reindustrialization many times. This goes hand in hand with gradual decoupling from Asia generally and the CCP specifically.

    Again, this is not something that can be achieved overnight. Large industrial builds take years. Plus, there is the need to work on education and training to yield a skilled workforce aligned to those professions.

    If I were in charge, I would setup a program of tariffs that started low, then inexorably & predictably stepped up over a 10-20 year period. I have no idea if Trump will start that exact concept in his 2nd term. Even if he does, the true test of the program would kick in under his MAGA successors.

    Some ambition is called for, you don’t have that much time.

    I somewhat concur. However, if over ambition yields no tangible gains, that is a loss. Demanding 100% of absolutely everything! Instantly! guarantees a return of nothing.
    ___

    America has one huge advantage. Relatively few of the migrants are followers of the Anti-Christ Muhammad. The biggest issue is lower HBD potential. If the numbers can be brought down, much of the population can be assimilated. Only a portion of detritus needs expulsion.

    Europe has the self inflicted, disastrous problem of importing Islamists. Followers of Jihad are incapable of assimilation. Smart European nations are keeping this threat out, or minimizing it. Germany, France, and the UK desperately need active, large scale Muslim Decolonization. I do not know if any of the three have the will. Plus, the EU would no doubt interfere.

    PEACE 😇

  877. @AP
    @Beckow


    …They crushed the Hungarians at the invitation of the Hapsburgs.

    Good, the Magyars were becoming uppity. We and the Croats joined in the crushing…
     
    Croats yes. And also Romanians.

    But not so much the Slovaks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1848#Western_Slovak_Uprising

    "The leaders of the Slovak Volunteers, Ľudovít Štúr, Jozef Miloslav Hurban and Michal Miloslav Hodža, struggled to elicit total support from the Slovak nation. Many Slovak peasants were more concerned with the abolition of feudal servitude, and not with wider national goals. Religious differences also played a key role, as the leaders of the Slovak volunteers were predominantly Protestant, which led to difficulties in eliciting support in regions with a catholic Slovak majority.[77] As a result, they could recruit only up to 2,000 people, while a much higher percentage of the Slovak population was serving in the Hungarian Honvédség (Home Guard) among the Hungarian revolutionaries.[78]"

    Some Galicians volunteered to help crush the Magyars.

    My aunt digitized the 19th century memoirs of one of our relatives.

    He wrote how in 1848 the local Rus supported Austria against Hungary. The ladies wore black and yellow ribbons in their hair and the men volunteered to join Rus Freikorps (руські фрайкури). Although the Russians were on the same side and viewed as friends at the time, they were not called Rus but Muscovites (Moskali).

    have extremely negative opinions of Russia. Poles, Balts, Finns, Georgians, Ukrainians.

    I think it is mutual and quite universal. Nobody really likes the Poles. And the Galicians or Caucasians, my god, don’t get me started. The French dislike the Germans, Irish the English
     
    None of these peoples dislike one another nearly as much as everyone ruled by Russia dislikes the Russians. And peoples who have been ruled by Russians and by someone else dislike Russians much more than they do the others, such as Germans.

    You are just wallowing in your ignorance of Russia, safe on the other side of the Carpathians.

    Only the Greek-Turkish, or Greek-Armenian, attitudes are comparable to those of Ukrainians, Balts, Poles and Finns towards Russia. If you were more thoughtful you would understand why that is.

    1950-1990. Not coincidentally, this is the time for your negative experiences.

    What? About half of our population thinks those were the golden years: population doubled, health care and education became free, everyone had an easy job, housing and infrastructure were build like never before or after, GNP quadrupled
     
    That's when you sank relative to those not ruled by Moscow. But Slovaks liked the Nazis too. And they were pretty quiet when it came to the Magyars.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    Only the Greek-Turkish, or Greek-Armenian, attitudes are comparable to those of Ukrainians, Balts, Poles and Finns towards Russia. If you were more thoughtful you would understand why that is.

    You mean the Turkish-Armenian, no? Greeks and Armenians don’t hate each other, to my knowledge. Why would they when both of them have been victimized by the Turks?

    Also, don’t a lot of China’s neighbors dislike China? Russia likes China, and Central Asia might be OK towards it due to a desire to use it as a counterbalance against Russia, but countries like Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, and the Philippines don’t appear to be all that fond of China.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    You mean the Turkish-Armenian, no?
     
    Yes, I misspoke.
  878. @AP
    @Beckow


    Our experience with Russia is mostly positive –
     
    Because you don't border Russia and were never ruled by Moscow until ~1950-1990. Not coincidentally, this is the time for your negative experiences.

    Those who bordered Russia and/or were ruled by it have extremely negative opinions of Russia. Poles, Balts, Finns, Georgians, Ukrainians. Unless they are highly Russified like the Belarussians.

    If you were a little more thoughtful or honest with yourself you would think about what that means about Russia.


    they [Russians] were on our side against the Habsburgs
     
    They crushed the Hungarians at the invitation of the Hapsburgs.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    They crushed the Hungarians at the invitation of the Hapsburgs.

    And how did the Hapsburgs repay Russia for this huge favor afterwards?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    There was no opportunity to really repay. The Hapsburgs valued the status quo, that was what the Russians did when they crushed the Hungarians - they kept the status quo. Then the Russians decided to go on an adventure and conquer the Balkans. The Hapsburgs were not interested in such massive disruptions and did not join the Russians. It was a massive error strategically, but correct in principle. Like even more unfortunate behavior in 1914.

    If someone had decided to upset the status quo at the Russians' expense I think the Hapsburgs would have joined the Russians. But Russia decided to be the disruptor. I guess being neutral rather than joining the others in trying to stop the Russians was a repayment of sorts.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ


    And how did the Hapsburgs repay Russia for this huge favor afterwards?

     

    Did nothing during the Crimean War. Russia should've done likewise during the Hungarian rebellion.

    The Hapburgites later propped anti-Russian Ukrainian nationalism. They didn't like the earlier friendly reception Russian forces received en route to Hungary by Rusyns/Ruthenians/Ukrainians in the Austrian Empire.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  879. @LatW
    @songbird


    I’d be very surprised if anyone was still speaking German, let alone the Baltic languages, or Irish.
     
    Not sure about Irish but German and the Baltic languages will very likely be spoken (unless there is some kind of a Fallout type of scenario). The speakers of the languages will remain, it's just that they will not be predominantly descended from those peoples. Given how many people are coming into the EU (and at least partially assimilating into the culture), it's probably safe to say that even smaller Indo-European languages will live longer than their respective European nations in their pure genetic form.

    Hopefully, it will not be all the so called kanackendeutch (Turkified German spoken by some German lower class boys). Probably not most of it.

    Also, several centuries is not even that long, you can count the generations that would be included there. Of course, the change is also faster than ever before.

    Replies: @songbird

    Chaucer, who wrote in the 14th Century, well under the thousand-year-mark, is scarcely comprehensible.

    IMO, the pace of language shift has vastly increased.

    I’ve seen a fair number of Chinese movies, and it seems quite rare to see one not set in historical times that does not have any English in it. Though often it is only a foreigner speaking it.

    Meanwhile, in Indian movies, though I am less familiar with them, it seems quite common for a character to randomly insert a whole English sentence, within his native speech.

    Germans must consider themselves lucky to fit a masculine gender to an English word, like with der Computer.

    Of course, it may be that English will lose a lot of its status in the near future.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @songbird


    IMO, the pace of language shift has vastly increased.
     
    Where?

    The protection of the language is quite strongly institutionalized, but of course our language is getting contaminated in some cases (now with English mostly). Some kids also switch to English, but they maintain their native language, of course. While I believe language should be protected, I'm more worried about the survival of the actual race (even more so, the tribes), although I doubt they will be completely gone in just a few centuries (millions are born today and will have children). The problem is the pace of importation of foreigners because once their proportion grows to something significant, that will affect dating (and mating) options.

    Replies: @songbird, @songbird

  880. @songbird
    @German_reader


    If you manage to repeal the 13th
     
    Swear that somewhere in the Táin Bó Cúailnge, there is a dialogue between one of the invaders and Cú Chulainn. He proposes to make a deal to have Cú Chulainn stop fighting their army single-handedly by leaving the female slaves (while taking their women), and then Cú Chulainn says something like "but then our children would be slaves."

    At times, I've wondered how much slavery in Europe was the result of fractious politics and warfare, and how much a hereditary caste that may have been different in capacities, in some way or other.

    Anyway, your radical proposal to bring it back is food for thought. Perhaps, in the right hands, it would be a useful hobgoblin and tool for maintaining the border.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Slavery is obsolete. We now have fascism, corporations, and if the peasants get restless there will be another terror act to inflict PTSD upon the mass and calm them down. Nominal freedom is now trivial to manage. They don’t even attempt to hide it.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The slave has been replaced with the bugman.
    _________
    Indian politics is so strange to contemplate.

    Wasn't Indira Gandhi a sort of proto-Hillary? It is surprising that her killing led to such a murderous rage against Sikhs, even if we account for inner party politics.

  881. 😁 OPEN THREAD HUMOR 😂

    A bit NSFW.

    Auto correct is my personal nemesis…

    PEACE 😇

  882. Based on what I have heard from acquaintances and my own experience a society based primarily around the desires of developers, commercial landlords, real estate lawyers, etc. is one of the worst sorts of societies possible.

  883. @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    The Russian historian Vernadsky claimed Ukraine’s democratic ways was a vestige of Rus, that was preserved in lands not as influenced by the Mongol overlords and teachers. I think it rather came from the Poles, the Zaporizhian government was after all based on Polish model, they referenced Polish Sarmatism, and they even used Polish as a language of command.
     
    Ukrainian Sarmatism was more nuanced then what developed in the rest of the PLC, as it incorporated strong elements of Khazarism. Although the Polish language held sway as the elite or command language within the new state, it changed over time to incorporate a language based on the local Ukrainian vernacular that was even to be used in written documentation. I've never really thought of the Hetmanate as being based on the Polish model, but something more uniquely Ukrainian (local) and basing itself on more of a military structure. Could you elaborate a bit more on why you've come to this conclusion?

    Replies: @AP

    Ukrainian Sarmatism was more nuanced then what developed in the rest of the PLC, as it incorporated strong elements of Khazarism.

    The Cossack “Khazarism” was a local copy of Polish Sarmatism. Sarmatists thought that Polish nobles descended from the nomadic Sarmatians. We now know that Sarmatians were an Indo-European people but an the Early Modern it was erroneously thought that they were Turkic. As were the Khazars. So being descended from Khazars supposedly made Ukrainian Cossacks equal peers and cousins to the “Sarmatian” Polish nobility. And, indeed, most of the Cossack officers themselves were members of the petty nobility.

    This idea also viewed Poles and Ukrainians peers and equal to the Turks, who at that time were not the joke they became centuries later, but rather had the most powerful single state in Europe.

    Although the Polish language held sway as the elite or command language within the new state, it changed over time to incorporate a language based on the local Ukrainian vernacular that was even to be used in written documentation

    There were also numerous Polish printing presses in the Hetmanate – I think more than any printing presses in Muscovy.

    I’ve never really thought of the Hetmanate as being based on the Polish model, but something more uniquely Ukrainian (local) and basing itself on more of a military structure.

    The Ruthenians were heavily influenced by Poland and were an integral part of it. Their elites spoke the Polish language, and even the famous Orthodox Kiev Academy was based on a Jesuit model with Polish and Latin among the languages of instruction. It follows that the government would similarly reflect Polish ways. Indeed, just as Poland was a “republic of nobles” with an elected king, so the Hetmanate was a “republic of Cossack officers” with an elected Hetman.

    So despite being Orthodox, calling themselves Rusnaks, and warring with the Poles, the Eastern Slavs of Ukraine were simply living in a Polish mental world shared with their western brothers. They just took certain concepts such as elected rulers for granted – concepts that were alien to Muscovites.

    Here is an article about the Bendery Zaporizhian Cossack Constitution of 1710:

    https://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CB%5CE%5CBenderyConstitutionof.htm

    Bendery, Constitution of (Бендерсъка конституція; Benderska konstytutsiia). A covenant signed on 16 April 1710 in Bendery by the newly elected Hetman Pylyp Orlyk with his officers and the Zaporozhian Cossacks. The title of the document, Pacta et Constitutiones Legum Libertatumque Exercitus Zaporoviensis, indicates that the treaty was modeled on the pacta conventa that the Polish nobility made with their newly elected kings.

    :::::::::::::::

    This is why despite various cultural similarities, Ukrainians are simply a very bad fit with Russians in the same state. They have different political values. Russians want a despot – hopefully a kind one, but still. Ukrainians want to be able to kick out someone they don’t like anymore.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    I've been watching what I consider to be one of the best series about Ukrainian castles from the "golden era". I wanted to point out this specific segment dealing with the Olyka castle in Volhynia, the ancestral home of the Radziwill family in Ukraine. I thought that you might find the reading from Albert Radziwill's diary regarding the background of the revolutionary movement in Ukraine in 1648 to be interesting. No fan of Khmelnitsky, Albert was honest enough though to lay the blame for the confrontation squarely at the feet of the Polish state, for the outrageous "exploitation of the peasantry" more vicious and inhumane than anything displayed in the rest of Europe. "Brothers" or "exploiters" I often wonder? Start watching at about 24:50:

    https://youtu.be/mFaIGT8Q2iA

    Replies: @AP

  884. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    They crushed the Hungarians at the invitation of the Hapsburgs.

     

    And how did the Hapsburgs repay Russia for this huge favor afterwards?

    Replies: @AP, @Mikhail

    There was no opportunity to really repay. The Hapsburgs valued the status quo, that was what the Russians did when they crushed the Hungarians – they kept the status quo. Then the Russians decided to go on an adventure and conquer the Balkans. The Hapsburgs were not interested in such massive disruptions and did not join the Russians. It was a massive error strategically, but correct in principle. Like even more unfortunate behavior in 1914.

    If someone had decided to upset the status quo at the Russians’ expense I think the Hapsburgs would have joined the Russians. But Russia decided to be the disruptor. I guess being neutral rather than joining the others in trying to stop the Russians was a repayment of sorts.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    It seemed like the Hapsburgs played a significant role in Russia losing the Danubian Principalities during the Crimean War, no?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War


    Nicholas felt that because of Russian assistance in suppressing the Hungarian revolution of 1848, Austria would side with him or at the very least remain neutral. Austria, however, felt threatened by the Russian troops in the Balkans. On 27 February 1854, the United Kingdom and France demanded the withdrawal of Russian forces from the principalities. Austria supported them and, without declaring war on Russia, refused to guarantee its neutrality. Russia's rejection of the ultimatum proved to be the justification used by Britain and France to enter the war.

    Russia soon withdrew its troops from the Danubian Principalities, which were then occupied by Austria for the duration of the war.[67] That removed the original grounds for war, but the British and the French continued with hostilities. Determined to address the Eastern Question by putting an end to the Russian threat to the Ottomans, the allies in August 1854 proposed the "Four Points" for ending the conflict in addition to the Russian withdrawal:

    Russia was to give up its protectorate over the Danubian Principalities.
    The Danube was to be opened up to foreign commerce.
    The Straits Convention of 1841, which allowed only Ottoman and Russian warships in the Black Sea, was to be revised.
    Russia was to abandon any claim granting it the right to interfere in Ottoman affairs on behalf of Orthodox Christians.
    Those points, particularly the third, would require clarification through negotiations, which Russia refused. The allies, including Austria, therefore agreed that Britain and France should take further military action to prevent further Russian aggression against the Ottomans. Britain and France agreed on the invasion of Crimea as the first step.[68]
     
    Also, the Hapsburgs sponsored Ukrainian nationalism in Galicia, which could subsequently be used as a base to smuggle Ukrainian nationalist literature into the rest of Ukraine. The Prussian/German Memelland played a similar role in regards to smuggling Lithuanian nationalist literature into Russia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_book_smugglers#:~:text=In%201866%2C%20the%20Tsar%20issued,of%20Lithuanian%20books%20in%20Cyrillic.

    Most of the Latin-alphabet Lithuanian-language books and periodicals published at the time were printed in Lithuania Minor and then smuggled into Lithuania. When caught, the book smugglers were punished by fines, banishment, and exile, including deportation to Siberia. Some were shot after crossing the border.[citation needed]

    In 1867, Motiejus Valančius, the Bishop of Samogitia, began to covertly organize and finance this printing abroad and sponsored the distribution of Lithuanian-language books within Lithuania.[1] In 1870, his organization was uncovered with the help of Prussian authorities, and five priests and two book smugglers were exiled to remote areas of Russia. Other book smugglers carried on his work.

    During the final years of the ban, an estimated 30,000 to 40,000 books were smuggled in annually. About one-third of them were seized by authorities. Lithuanian books reached every settlement in Lithuania, and many legal institutions served as undercover transfer points for the books. A number of secret organizations distributed the books throughout Lithuania, including Sietynas [lt], Atgaja, Teisybė, Prievarta, Aušrinė, Atžala, Lizdas, Akstinas, Spindulys, Svirplys, Žiburėlis, Žvaigždė, and Kūdikis.

    In East Prussia since 1864 up to 1896, more than 3 500 000 copies of publications in Lithuanian language was published: about 500 000 primers, more than 300 000 scientific secular editions, 75 000 newspapers and other types of publications.[2]

    The ban's lack of success was recognized by the end of the 19th century, and in 1904, under the official pretext that the minorities within the Russian Empire needed to be pacified after the failure in the Russo-Japanese War, the ban on Lithuanian-language publications was lifted.
     
  885. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Only the Greek-Turkish, or Greek-Armenian, attitudes are comparable to those of Ukrainians, Balts, Poles and Finns towards Russia. If you were more thoughtful you would understand why that is.
     
    You mean the Turkish-Armenian, no? Greeks and Armenians don't hate each other, to my knowledge. Why would they when both of them have been victimized by the Turks?

    Also, don't a lot of China's neighbors dislike China? Russia likes China, and Central Asia might be OK towards it due to a desire to use it as a counterbalance against Russia, but countries like Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, and the Philippines don't appear to be all that fond of China.

    Replies: @AP

    You mean the Turkish-Armenian, no?

    Yes, I misspoke.

  886. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Slavery is obsolete. We now have fascism, corporations, and if the peasants get restless there will be another terror act to inflict PTSD upon the mass and calm them down. Nominal freedom is now trivial to manage. They don't even attempt to hide it.

    Replies: @songbird

    The slave has been replaced with the bugman.
    _________
    Indian politics is so strange to contemplate.

    Wasn’t Indira Gandhi a sort of proto-Hillary? It is surprising that her killing led to such a murderous rage against Sikhs, even if we account for inner party politics.

  887. @Sher Singh
    @Another Polish Perspective

    Punjabi-Afghan conflicts go back to ancient times.
    The first 3 were more defeated by the terrain.

    There's nothing in Afghanistan worth taking if you own Peshaur + the big cities.
    Its main utility is as a crossroads.
    ---

    This seems like you taking a jibe more than anything.
    Since, being a believing Christian you need to be #1 on the victim pole.

    https://twitter.com/MikeGillYYC/status/1739033010497097976

    Go worship niggers or something, Shoo.

    There's no point trying to have rational discourse with you.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce?useskin=vector

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    Sikhism and Sikhs are not above any criticism.

    I used to read your posts as a kind of call to individual self-improvement.

    However, I have failed to notice what broader value specifically Sikhism brought to humanity.
    I see Sikhs similarly to Scots: a martial race which ultimately became lackey to the British Empire.

    Generally, I don’t think that selling your sword is ok.

    On the other hand, Afghans have retained certain romantic quality, always resisting all sorts of invaders.

  888. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    They crushed the Hungarians at the invitation of the Hapsburgs.

     

    And how did the Hapsburgs repay Russia for this huge favor afterwards?

    Replies: @AP, @Mikhail

    And how did the Hapsburgs repay Russia for this huge favor afterwards?

    Did nothing during the Crimean War. Russia should’ve done likewise during the Hungarian rebellion.

    The Hapburgites later propped anti-Russian Ukrainian nationalism. They didn’t like the earlier friendly reception Russian forces received en route to Hungary by Rusyns/Ruthenians/Ukrainians in the Austrian Empire.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mikhail

    Yeah, I'm inclined to believe that from a purely Russian national interests perspective, supporting Hungary in 1848-1849 while taking Galicia for Russia itself would have been a better move. An independent Hungary back then would have likely been a Russian vassal, especially if some Russian prince would have been placed on its throne as a precondition for Hungary getting Russian military assistance. But of course such a Russian move would have been very contrary to Tsar Nicholas I's solidarity for fellow conservative autocrats. But this ultimately ended up fucking over Russia since trying to destroy Austria-Hungary in the 1910s also destroyed the Russian Empire and indeed Russia's 20th and 21st century prospects in general.

  889. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Yevardian

    Did you not read Ron Unz's article? He isn't promoting the Khazaria theory. He thinks it's Phoenecia. It is pretty astonishing and reminds me of a once-famous book by Garry Wills, Nixon Agonistes: The Crisis of the Self-Made Man. What do you call a man who believes the Lee Harvey Oswald lone gunman story for 47 years and then all of a sudden gets an epiphany?

    Did you ever get around to reading Bronze Age Pervert's Selective Breeding book?

    Replies: @Yevardian

    Did you not read Ron Unz’s article? He isn’t promoting the Khazaria theory. He thinks it’s Phoenecia. It is pretty astonishing

    Oh I saw Unz discussing that in his comments a couple months ago, as he mentioned there, that theory has been in popular discussion since at least H.G. Well’s “History of the World” was published. The idea probably dates earlier than that, but I’ve never followed the period between post-exilic to Jewish pre-Zionist history at all closely. Seems extremely plausible though, of course the Phoenicians, Canaanites, Hebrews all spoke nearly identical languages. I remember in my freshman year doing a presentation on the Mesha stele, the main primary source we have for the Moabite language.

    Did you ever get around to reading Bronze Age Pervert’s Selective Breeding book?

    I read through a few of the early chapters a couple of months ago, but life and other books got in the way. I’ve never liked Plato very much, haven’t read Strauss and have little interest in doing so, and only began reading Nietzsche for the first time this year, so it seemed a bit pointless to read a thesis about primary sources I’m barely familiar with for the most part.

    I did start listening to BAP’s radioshow at the end last year when I had to do a lot of driving though. Surprising how many of my own opinions coincide with his, even though I’d only very vaguely heard of him before. Refreshing to hear someone on the right who isn’t a poe-faced moralist, incel-adjacent misery-monger or obsessed with Jews.

  890. @Beckow
    @LatW


    EU also provide something in return...hypothetically one can put their foot down or say “no”
     
    So when the bully pays you it is ok? Saying "no"...let's see, what is EU doing to Hungary and until last year to Poland? The pimp is never all-powerful and has to share with his flock. But you know the relationship you are in...

    Russia is also way more rigid about certain things, ideology
     
    Russia has no ideology, but Brussels is the home of globo-homo-liberal ideology (or is it London?)...you seem confused.

    Weapons are never useless
     
    Sure they are, nothing loses value as fast...one can't consume them, they are a net burden on normal living standards.

    send soldiers to fight in Third World sh..tholes…
    Recently few have gone anywhere – and those are professional soldiers
     
    What is "recently"? Czechia and Slovakia lost a few hundred men fighting for Nato in sh..thole places. Guess what, Russia never asked us for any soldiers - you seem to be lying about it or confuse us with yourself. "Professional" is an empty term, all soldiers today are professional and get paid.

    that yearning was always there and it just finally manifested...because Maidan exposes the vulnerabilities of the Russian historical narrative.
     
    What was then the famous Orange Revolution of 2004? It happens again and again - the yearning for the West and going back to a more authentic (realistic) view of themselves. All historical narratives are partial - US is a master of cherrypickin. I think we agreed that can't be fixed...:)

    The Ukie yearning has no backbone, it is a complete subservience and a one-sided embrace of Western ideology. They also don't have much of an IQ: Maidan madness was pretty stupid - actually incoherent, all emotions and one-sided devotion to the West - and it was implemented in the most incompetent way possible.

    You will say that's the way E Slavs are - still, they screwed it up. Russia handed it to them on a silver platter and they dropped it. I won't go over the mistakes, they were obvious and catastrophic. At one point US honchos had to fly in to reign in the nationalist fanatics and put in some structure. That bodes poorly for any "backbone" in EU in the future.

    Replies: @LatW

    So when the bully pays you it is ok?

    I didn’t mean “payment” (although there is a mutual exchange of value). I was thinking more along the lines of “safety in numbers” and similar mindsets. This can probably exist even without the Brussels bureaucracy or the international banking sector. Of course, simple nationalism is ok, too, without the EU, and in some ways even preferable.

    Russia has no ideology

    It’s true that Russia does not have a solid, overarching ideology – Russia has what they call skrepi – what can roughly be translated as “braces”( or “binders” or “staplers”) – mythological concepts that are supposed to hold the nation together. But Russia is also peddling a strange mix of ideologies – a mix of Sovok myths and pseudo-imperialist ideas reminiscent of the Black Hundreds. This is not that attractive to the surrounding nations, to put it mildly. And they will soon run into contradictions by doing this – Putin’s interview with Tucker already had some indications of it.

    one can’t consume them, they are a net burden on normal living standards.

    They are expensive, but metal is always valuable in and of itself. After the collapse of the USSR, the collection and re-sale of the so called colored metals was the number one gig in town.

    Guess what, Russia never asked us for any soldiers – you seem to be lying about it or confuse us with yourself.

    Under the Soviet Union (not Russia), in the event of the Cold War turning into a hot one, our fathers and grandfathers were to be sacrificed first and your fathers were kept as the reserve – to be sacrificed later, you were the kind of a second layer. It doesn’t mean you were free because this was always hanging over you. To me, this alone would be a problem – to have someone else rule over me that way, to be inside the USSR – even worse.

    “Professional” is an empty term, all soldiers today are professional and get paid.

    Yes, they are all professional (except the National guard), but you know very well that joining a tour in Iraq or Afghanistan was absolutely voluntary. It was a choice because you could make a little bit extra money and also gain some real combat experience. And this was 20 years ago!

    What was then the famous Orange Revolution of 2004? It happens again and again – the yearning for the West

    They needed several tries, because they had not done it in 1989, like we did. And this is not just about aligning with the West, it is above all about their national identity – it is actually very sad that they have to go through such a heavy ordeal to get something that every nation should be entitled to.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @LatW

    Unlike Western countries where nationalism is ethnic feeling, the odd thing about Russians is they see the state and the nation as being one. That is why the military fiasco epitomised by Putin supposedly second most powerful army in the world being unable to hold or retake Kharkiv, which is only 18 miles from the border of Russia proper, is perceived as a threat to the existence of Russians by a substantial minority of Russia's population. For the Kremlin there is no alternative to continuing the war; ending it would be political suicide.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    , @Beckow
    @LatW


    ... Russia has...mythological concepts that are supposed to hold the nation together. But Russia is also peddling a strange mix of ideologies – a mix of Sovok myths and pseudo-imperialist ideas reminiscent of the Black Hundreds.
     
    US, UK, France...above all Ukraine and Poland have their own myths. I can give you examples - Hollywood Western 'wakanda' bullsh..t, Sarmatism, WW2 won in 'Normandy', etc... - but you know them yourself. All nations have their mythology.

    I don't know what 'pseudo-imperialist' means to you, but not to see Western 'imperialism' would require a twisted mind. Black Hundreds? Is Russia celebrating pogroms? That is odd from Latvia that has Waffen SS marches. What is it about seeing a speck in other person's eye, but not a plank in your own?


    it is actually very sad that they have to go through such a heavy ordeal to get something that every nation should be entitled to.
     
    I agree it is very sad - we are observing a slow destruction of the Ukie nation. They were not 'entitled' to oppress 30-45% of their population who didn't care for the crazy Galician nationalism and wanted to have normal relations with Russia. It is too late now.
  891. @songbird
    @LatW

    Chaucer, who wrote in the 14th Century, well under the thousand-year-mark, is scarcely comprehensible.

    IMO, the pace of language shift has vastly increased.

    I've seen a fair number of Chinese movies, and it seems quite rare to see one not set in historical times that does not have any English in it. Though often it is only a foreigner speaking it.

    Meanwhile, in Indian movies, though I am less familiar with them, it seems quite common for a character to randomly insert a whole English sentence, within his native speech.

    Germans must consider themselves lucky to fit a masculine gender to an English word, like with der Computer.

    Of course, it may be that English will lose a lot of its status in the near future.

    Replies: @LatW

    IMO, the pace of language shift has vastly increased.

    Where?

    The protection of the language is quite strongly institutionalized, but of course our language is getting contaminated in some cases (now with English mostly). Some kids also switch to English, but they maintain their native language, of course. While I believe language should be protected, I’m more worried about the survival of the actual race (even more so, the tribes), although I doubt they will be completely gone in just a few centuries (millions are born today and will have children). The problem is the pace of importation of foreigners because once their proportion grows to something significant, that will affect dating (and mating) options.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @LatW


    Where?
     
    Everywhere, but especially in smaller, non-dominant zones.

    If we consider the past century or two, it seems as though political consolidation and literacy have actually led to the death or lessening of many local dialects. That was early technology, but we have moved onto more advanced tech and to greater political consolidation.

    Even in English, all sorts of advanced vocab has practically been abandoned - things have been dumbed down, and you will not find it in writing unless you read old stuff.

    With so many speakers, and growing, and a dumbing down, the path opens for more neologisms. We may be speaking Pigdin, in 50 years time.

    A lot of the language protections are a shell game. We are meant to believe that the regime cares about culture, while replacing the pop. Or that the Nigerians want to speak these languages and not English. It's a joke.

    Anyway, in 50 years time, I think Europeans will have more important things on their mind than language preservation.

    Personally, I would like to speak some language designed from the ground up to be highly resistant to poz.

    BTW, I think Altan would not like that a piece called Pashto won a Grammy. (As I recall he really disliked the Pashtun). But the Grannies are very woke anyway.

    , @songbird
    @LatW


    The problem is the pace of importation of foreigners
     
    This is just the politically correct way of saying it.

    Death by a thousand cuts would still be death. But nobody is allowed to articulate this.

    If the rate of import was 2x what it is now, and the rate of export was twice that, then it wouldn't be a problem at all. The problem is their presence, and their harmful effect on bioculture, which is underscored by the fact that there is a political meltdown when anyone speaks about remigration, however limited in scope.

    Replies: @A123, @Coconuts, @LatW

  892. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    You could use a more productive fantasy life. Less Stanley Kubrick and more Alan Moore.

    https://www.amazon.com/Hecate-Black-Arts-Liber-Necromantia/dp/B09TDPHHRL/

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

    [MORE]

    So I listened to the author’s bm band… wow, I don’t get how I missed this back in the day – probably because I mostly listened to Norwegian (and more symphonic and some EE folk/pagan). Not so much American, but this guy is probably one of the more notable ones from the US. Yes, parts of America do have the setting and ambience for this.. especially the mountains in the dusk… and the thick forest, as the night falls over it.

    What is quite notable is that he is Varg’s contemporary, the first album came out very early, basically at the roots essentially, wow. Looks like he’s tried to stick really close to the original classic Norwegian sound, very raw and minimalistic (although there are some “symphonic” parts, and synth). My ex-boyfriend is a bit younger and his band was a bit “lighter”, slightly more melodic and with medieval fantasy themes… but they were originally inspired by the Norwegian sound anyway.

    Thanks for the link – much appreciated.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    There isn't an index. If you get bogged down and want to skip forward, blood is on p. 22, p.214, p. 229, p. 239, p. 241, and p. 263.

  893. @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard



    So I listened to the author's bm band... wow, I don't get how I missed this back in the day - probably because I mostly listened to Norwegian (and more symphonic and some EE folk/pagan). Not so much American, but this guy is probably one of the more notable ones from the US. Yes, parts of America do have the setting and ambience for this.. especially the mountains in the dusk... and the thick forest, as the night falls over it.

    What is quite notable is that he is Varg's contemporary, the first album came out very early, basically at the roots essentially, wow. Looks like he's tried to stick really close to the original classic Norwegian sound, very raw and minimalistic (although there are some "symphonic" parts, and synth). My ex-boyfriend is a bit younger and his band was a bit "lighter", slightly more melodic and with medieval fantasy themes... but they were originally inspired by the Norwegian sound anyway.

    Thanks for the link - much appreciated.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    There isn’t an index. If you get bogged down and want to skip forward, blood is on p. 22, p.214, p. 229, p. 239, p. 241, and p. 263.

  894. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ

    There was no opportunity to really repay. The Hapsburgs valued the status quo, that was what the Russians did when they crushed the Hungarians - they kept the status quo. Then the Russians decided to go on an adventure and conquer the Balkans. The Hapsburgs were not interested in such massive disruptions and did not join the Russians. It was a massive error strategically, but correct in principle. Like even more unfortunate behavior in 1914.

    If someone had decided to upset the status quo at the Russians' expense I think the Hapsburgs would have joined the Russians. But Russia decided to be the disruptor. I guess being neutral rather than joining the others in trying to stop the Russians was a repayment of sorts.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    It seemed like the Hapsburgs played a significant role in Russia losing the Danubian Principalities during the Crimean War, no?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_War

    Nicholas felt that because of Russian assistance in suppressing the Hungarian revolution of 1848, Austria would side with him or at the very least remain neutral. Austria, however, felt threatened by the Russian troops in the Balkans. On 27 February 1854, the United Kingdom and France demanded the withdrawal of Russian forces from the principalities. Austria supported them and, without declaring war on Russia, refused to guarantee its neutrality. Russia’s rejection of the ultimatum proved to be the justification used by Britain and France to enter the war.

    Russia soon withdrew its troops from the Danubian Principalities, which were then occupied by Austria for the duration of the war.[67] That removed the original grounds for war, but the British and the French continued with hostilities. Determined to address the Eastern Question by putting an end to the Russian threat to the Ottomans, the allies in August 1854 proposed the “Four Points” for ending the conflict in addition to the Russian withdrawal:

    Russia was to give up its protectorate over the Danubian Principalities.
    The Danube was to be opened up to foreign commerce.
    The Straits Convention of 1841, which allowed only Ottoman and Russian warships in the Black Sea, was to be revised.
    Russia was to abandon any claim granting it the right to interfere in Ottoman affairs on behalf of Orthodox Christians.
    Those points, particularly the third, would require clarification through negotiations, which Russia refused. The allies, including Austria, therefore agreed that Britain and France should take further military action to prevent further Russian aggression against the Ottomans. Britain and France agreed on the invasion of Crimea as the first step.[68]

    Also, the Hapsburgs sponsored Ukrainian nationalism in Galicia, which could subsequently be used as a base to smuggle Ukrainian nationalist literature into the rest of Ukraine. The Prussian/German Memelland played a similar role in regards to smuggling Lithuanian nationalist literature into Russia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuanian_book_smugglers#:~:text=In%201866%2C%20the%20Tsar%20issued,of%20Lithuanian%20books%20in%20Cyrillic.

    Most of the Latin-alphabet Lithuanian-language books and periodicals published at the time were printed in Lithuania Minor and then smuggled into Lithuania. When caught, the book smugglers were punished by fines, banishment, and exile, including deportation to Siberia. Some were shot after crossing the border.[citation needed]

    In 1867, Motiejus Valančius, the Bishop of Samogitia, began to covertly organize and finance this printing abroad and sponsored the distribution of Lithuanian-language books within Lithuania.[1] In 1870, his organization was uncovered with the help of Prussian authorities, and five priests and two book smugglers were exiled to remote areas of Russia. Other book smugglers carried on his work.

    During the final years of the ban, an estimated 30,000 to 40,000 books were smuggled in annually. About one-third of them were seized by authorities. Lithuanian books reached every settlement in Lithuania, and many legal institutions served as undercover transfer points for the books. A number of secret organizations distributed the books throughout Lithuania, including Sietynas [lt], Atgaja, Teisybė, Prievarta, Aušrinė, Atžala, Lizdas, Akstinas, Spindulys, Svirplys, Žiburėlis, Žvaigždė, and Kūdikis.

    In East Prussia since 1864 up to 1896, more than 3 500 000 copies of publications in Lithuanian language was published: about 500 000 primers, more than 300 000 scientific secular editions, 75 000 newspapers and other types of publications.[2]

    The ban’s lack of success was recognized by the end of the 19th century, and in 1904, under the official pretext that the minorities within the Russian Empire needed to be pacified after the failure in the Russo-Japanese War, the ban on Lithuanian-language publications was lifted.

  895. @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ


    And how did the Hapsburgs repay Russia for this huge favor afterwards?

     

    Did nothing during the Crimean War. Russia should've done likewise during the Hungarian rebellion.

    The Hapburgites later propped anti-Russian Ukrainian nationalism. They didn't like the earlier friendly reception Russian forces received en route to Hungary by Rusyns/Ruthenians/Ukrainians in the Austrian Empire.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Yeah, I’m inclined to believe that from a purely Russian national interests perspective, supporting Hungary in 1848-1849 while taking Galicia for Russia itself would have been a better move. An independent Hungary back then would have likely been a Russian vassal, especially if some Russian prince would have been placed on its throne as a precondition for Hungary getting Russian military assistance. But of course such a Russian move would have been very contrary to Tsar Nicholas I’s solidarity for fellow conservative autocrats. But this ultimately ended up fucking over Russia since trying to destroy Austria-Hungary in the 1910s also destroyed the Russian Empire and indeed Russia’s 20th and 21st century prospects in general.

  896. @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234


    Anyway , there was no “cossack state” , its an oxymoron.
     
    You're obviously wrong here and need to up your game, as the saying goes. It's no use trying to have a normal discussion with you about the Russian/Ukrainian historical encounter, if you don't even acknowledge the existence of the Cossack Hetmanate state. Take off your blinders, educate yourself, and then come back for more discussion about these matters. Take your time and read the article slowly, and try not to skim over certain parts:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossack_Hetmanate

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    If you don’t even acknowledge the existence of the cossack hetmanate state

    As I said Hack, I consider the term “cossack state” as a contradiction, an impossibility – like saying flying giraffe, Israeli pig farmer or Dutch mountaineer etc.

    1. Zaporizhian cossacks were citizens of Poland at the time, i.e. the getmanate wasn’t a state

    2. Zemsky sobor accepting the cossacks was immediate invitation to war with Poland i.e they, the Poles, considered these lands as their own

    3. Khmelnitsky wrote in 1648 to the Tsar, begging him to accept them into his Kingdom/pledging allegiance. He did this multiple times before the Treaty of Pereyeslav in 1654. Getmanate fake state supposed to have been created in 1649. These petitions to the Tsar are not the actions of someone who has just had his own country created.Polish retards do the same type of stupid stunt – claiming 2 seconds before partition they created some joke “democratic constitution”. In reality they are just trying to cover up their historic failures.

    4. What exactly connects these lands in anyway to Bukovina (or Galicia)? Those aren’t Cossack lands of the supposed Getmanate. Why call the people of these lands called “Ukrainians” but not Russians? If they are Russian then everything makes sense. If not then it’s the schizophrenic freakshow we have now in 404.
    400 years Bukovina had zero connection to Galicia&Volynia – even during Habsburg when they were technically part of same administrative region, there was still minimal connections between the peoples. Malorossiyans though are heavily interlocked with Siberia, Far east, Arctic, St Petersburg, Moscow, South Russia, Northern Kazakhstan etc.

    5.Bukovina is more Orthodox than Uniate, but do you know Hack if this is because of ancient Russia heritage or Romania/Moldova connection to these lands? (I have no idea)

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Zaporizhian cossacks were citizens of Poland at the time, i.e. the getmanate wasn’t a state

     

    It had its own army, courts, legislature, foreign policy and ambassadors. It used Polish currency though (even after it came under Moscow). Americans were British citizens until after 1812 IIRC (it’s why Brits kidnapped American sailors and pressganged them into service).

    What exactly connects these lands [lands of Hetmanate] in anyway to Bukovina (or Galicia)? Those aren’t Cossack lands of the supposed Getmanate. Why call the people of these lands called “Ukrainians”
     
    Kiev was ruled by Galicia when the Mongols attacked. They were in one state. Galicia and central Ukraine were both together part of Poland until Khmelnytsky’s treason. One of the most important Zaporizhian hetmans, Sahaidachny, was a Galician. After Khmelnytsky’s rebellion, Galicia continued to be together with the Right Bank as part of Poland until it was split off in 1793. The Dostoyevsky family were living just a few dozen miles on the Russian side of the partition; Dostoyevsky’s grandfather was a Greek Catholic priest. Had the line been drawn a little bit differently, Dostoyevsky’s father would not have moved to Moscow and this family would probably eventually have become Ukrainian nationalists.

    In the decades following the partition of Poland, Galicia was a place of exile for Ukrainians from Russian-ruled Ukraine, so ties were maintained.

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234


    As I said Hack, I consider the term “cossack state” as a contradiction, an impossibility – like saying flying giraffe, Israeli pig farmer or Dutch mountaineer etc.
     
    Seriously? Did ou even read the Wiki piece that I cited? I'll just quote one small section here:

    As ruler of the Hetmanate, Khmelnytsky engaged in state-building across multiple spheres: military, administration, finance, economics, and culture. He invested the Zaporozhian Host under the leadership of its hetman with supreme power in the new Ruthenian state, and he unified all the spheres of Ukrainian society under his authority. This involved building a government system and a developed military and civilian administration out of Cossack officers and Ruthenian nobles, as well as the establishment of an elite within the Cossack Hetman state.
     
    If this doesn't define what a state is all about, then I don't know what does? Quit being so obtuse, or I may have to curtail our discussions. :-(

    Replies: @AP, @Gerard1234

  897. @LatW
    @songbird


    IMO, the pace of language shift has vastly increased.
     
    Where?

    The protection of the language is quite strongly institutionalized, but of course our language is getting contaminated in some cases (now with English mostly). Some kids also switch to English, but they maintain their native language, of course. While I believe language should be protected, I'm more worried about the survival of the actual race (even more so, the tribes), although I doubt they will be completely gone in just a few centuries (millions are born today and will have children). The problem is the pace of importation of foreigners because once their proportion grows to something significant, that will affect dating (and mating) options.

    Replies: @songbird, @songbird

    Where?

    Everywhere, but especially in smaller, non-dominant zones.

    [MORE]

    If we consider the past century or two, it seems as though political consolidation and literacy have actually led to the death or lessening of many local dialects. That was early technology, but we have moved onto more advanced tech and to greater political consolidation.

    Even in English, all sorts of advanced vocab has practically been abandoned – things have been dumbed down, and you will not find it in writing unless you read old stuff.

    With so many speakers, and growing, and a dumbing down, the path opens for more neologisms. We may be speaking Pigdin, in 50 years time.

    A lot of the language protections are a shell game. We are meant to believe that the regime cares about culture, while replacing the pop. Or that the Nigerians want to speak these languages and not English. It’s a joke.

    Anyway, in 50 years time, I think Europeans will have more important things on their mind than language preservation.

    Personally, I would like to speak some language designed from the ground up to be highly resistant to poz.

    BTW, I think Altan would not like that a piece called Pashto won a Grammy. (As I recall he really disliked the Pashtun). But the Grannies are very woke anyway.

  898. @LatW
    @Beckow


    So when the bully pays you it is ok?
     
    I didn't mean "payment" (although there is a mutual exchange of value). I was thinking more along the lines of "safety in numbers" and similar mindsets. This can probably exist even without the Brussels bureaucracy or the international banking sector. Of course, simple nationalism is ok, too, without the EU, and in some ways even preferable.

    Russia has no ideology
     
    It's true that Russia does not have a solid, overarching ideology - Russia has what they call skrepi - what can roughly be translated as "braces"( or "binders" or "staplers") - mythological concepts that are supposed to hold the nation together. But Russia is also peddling a strange mix of ideologies - a mix of Sovok myths and pseudo-imperialist ideas reminiscent of the Black Hundreds. This is not that attractive to the surrounding nations, to put it mildly. And they will soon run into contradictions by doing this - Putin's interview with Tucker already had some indications of it.

    one can’t consume them, they are a net burden on normal living standards.
     
    They are expensive, but metal is always valuable in and of itself. After the collapse of the USSR, the collection and re-sale of the so called colored metals was the number one gig in town.

    Guess what, Russia never asked us for any soldiers – you seem to be lying about it or confuse us with yourself.
     
    Under the Soviet Union (not Russia), in the event of the Cold War turning into a hot one, our fathers and grandfathers were to be sacrificed first and your fathers were kept as the reserve - to be sacrificed later, you were the kind of a second layer. It doesn't mean you were free because this was always hanging over you. To me, this alone would be a problem - to have someone else rule over me that way, to be inside the USSR - even worse.

    “Professional” is an empty term, all soldiers today are professional and get paid.
     
    Yes, they are all professional (except the National guard), but you know very well that joining a tour in Iraq or Afghanistan was absolutely voluntary. It was a choice because you could make a little bit extra money and also gain some real combat experience. And this was 20 years ago!

    What was then the famous Orange Revolution of 2004? It happens again and again – the yearning for the West
     
    They needed several tries, because they had not done it in 1989, like we did. And this is not just about aligning with the West, it is above all about their national identity - it is actually very sad that they have to go through such a heavy ordeal to get something that every nation should be entitled to.

    Replies: @Sean, @Beckow

    Unlike Western countries where nationalism is ethnic feeling, the odd thing about Russians is they see the state and the nation as being one. That is why the military fiasco epitomised by Putin supposedly second most powerful army in the world being unable to hold or retake Kharkiv, which is only 18 miles from the border of Russia proper, is perceived as a threat to the existence of Russians by a substantial minority of Russia’s population. For the Kremlin there is no alternative to continuing the war; ending it would be political suicide.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Sean


    Unlike Western countries where nationalism is ethnic feeling, the odd thing about Russians is they see the state and the nation as being one.
     
    I think this idea exists in various European countries, it used to be called Integral Nationalism. It's the idea that authority constitutes the nation and is a kind of inherent pre-condition for the ethnic group to survive and for its culture to develop. This was present in France, Portugal, Spain etc.

    It was the ideology of the Portuguese regime between 1933-74, it was part of Francoism, you can see some influence in the original framing of the current French constitution by de Gaulle (why France is the only European country apart from Belarus and RF that is a presidential republic).

    Sometimes I've read about Ivan Ilyin and his influence on the current Russian regime, from what I have seen he sounds like he defended a Russian version of this.

  899. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    If you don't even acknowledge the existence of the cossack hetmanate state
     
    As I said Hack, I consider the term "cossack state" as a contradiction, an impossibility - like saying flying giraffe, Israeli pig farmer or Dutch mountaineer etc.

    1. Zaporizhian cossacks were citizens of Poland at the time, i.e. the getmanate wasn't a state

    2. Zemsky sobor accepting the cossacks was immediate invitation to war with Poland i.e they, the Poles, considered these lands as their own

    3. Khmelnitsky wrote in 1648 to the Tsar, begging him to accept them into his Kingdom/pledging allegiance. He did this multiple times before the Treaty of Pereyeslav in 1654. Getmanate fake state supposed to have been created in 1649. These petitions to the Tsar are not the actions of someone who has just had his own country created.Polish retards do the same type of stupid stunt - claiming 2 seconds before partition they created some joke "democratic constitution". In reality they are just trying to cover up their historic failures.

    4. What exactly connects these lands in anyway to Bukovina (or Galicia)? Those aren't Cossack lands of the supposed Getmanate. Why call the people of these lands called "Ukrainians" but not Russians? If they are Russian then everything makes sense. If not then it's the schizophrenic freakshow we have now in 404.
    400 years Bukovina had zero connection to Galicia&Volynia - even during Habsburg when they were technically part of same administrative region, there was still minimal connections between the peoples. Malorossiyans though are heavily interlocked with Siberia, Far east, Arctic, St Petersburg, Moscow, South Russia, Northern Kazakhstan etc.

    5.Bukovina is more Orthodox than Uniate, but do you know Hack if this is because of ancient Russia heritage or Romania/Moldova connection to these lands? (I have no idea)

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack

    Zaporizhian cossacks were citizens of Poland at the time, i.e. the getmanate wasn’t a state

    It had its own army, courts, legislature, foreign policy and ambassadors. It used Polish currency though (even after it came under Moscow). Americans were British citizens until after 1812 IIRC (it’s why Brits kidnapped American sailors and pressganged them into service).

    What exactly connects these lands [lands of Hetmanate] in anyway to Bukovina (or Galicia)? Those aren’t Cossack lands of the supposed Getmanate. Why call the people of these lands called “Ukrainians”

    Kiev was ruled by Galicia when the Mongols attacked. They were in one state. Galicia and central Ukraine were both together part of Poland until Khmelnytsky’s treason. One of the most important Zaporizhian hetmans, Sahaidachny, was a Galician. After Khmelnytsky’s rebellion, Galicia continued to be together with the Right Bank as part of Poland until it was split off in 1793. The Dostoyevsky family were living just a few dozen miles on the Russian side of the partition; Dostoyevsky’s grandfather was a Greek Catholic priest. Had the line been drawn a little bit differently, Dostoyevsky’s father would not have moved to Moscow and this family would probably eventually have become Ukrainian nationalists.

    In the decades following the partition of Poland, Galicia was a place of exile for Ukrainians from Russian-ruled Ukraine, so ties were maintained.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @AP

    Faggot, this was a discussion between me and the ACTUAL ukrop diaspora of Mr Hack. Liar scum wakjobs as yourself have nothing valid to give to this.

    So I am rejecting your "arguments" for any serious discussion.

    However I did see Dostaevsky mentioned with


    had the line been drawn differently Dostaevsky's father would not have moved to Moscow
     
    Irrelevant nonsense - we know from precedence of non-achievement/failure from Uniates that if Dostaevsky became khokhol it would have made him a dodo, a non-entity, a reject, a bag of potatoes in contribution to world culture As the "king" of West Ukrainian "achievement" is the freak who invented sad-masochism and next to nothing after him - it's a reasonable assumption . Though it makes me very proud to be Russian that genius Dostaevsky is one of us - if he wasn't Russian it would still make Russian literature, Russian culture a beautiful gift to the world. It would be like if Michael Jordan was never a basketball player - it would not change the fact of many Americans, well American negroes, being very talented at the sport.

    His family would probably, eventually enough have become Ukrainian nationalists
     
    LMAO. 1934 Polish census of favela/Lvov region, self-identification of the Uniates is from memory :

    "Ukrainians"..... 550000
    Russians..............480000

    So that's nearly 50/50. That doesn't even think about Talergof and Terezin mass murder in concentration camps of pro-Russian elite and others (interesting of course that ukronazi dirtbags act as Austrian cuckholds to betray and mass murder their own, before actually fighting to create any "Ukrainian" nation), a few hundred thousands leaving with the Russian retreat from Galicia in 1915, or in the disaster of living with Polish dickheads for the ukronazi's- that it's still more "acceptable" to self-identify as a ukrop than a Russian, the centuries repression of orthodoxy. There would also be the confusion of the term at the time.

    50/50 with no pro-Russian elite alive there for 20 years!!

    Ukrops effectively banned from living in the city of Lvov itself - just a residual amount of plankton. Even in that small number of people with the highest proportion of cuckholds..... not even 2:1 of "Ukrainians" to Russians in the census you idiot!

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Americans were British citizens until after 1812 IIRC (it’s why Brits kidnapped American sailors and pressganged them into service).
     
    I thought that the Brits did this simply because they could? Not because Americans kept their British citizenship post-US independence. Algerians didn't keep their French citizenship after 1962, for instance. Neither did Irish people (excluding the Northern Irish people) keep their British citizenship after 1922.
  900. @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    Ukrainian Sarmatism was more nuanced then what developed in the rest of the PLC, as it incorporated strong elements of Khazarism.
     
    The Cossack "Khazarism" was a local copy of Polish Sarmatism. Sarmatists thought that Polish nobles descended from the nomadic Sarmatians. We now know that Sarmatians were an Indo-European people but an the Early Modern it was erroneously thought that they were Turkic. As were the Khazars. So being descended from Khazars supposedly made Ukrainian Cossacks equal peers and cousins to the "Sarmatian" Polish nobility. And, indeed, most of the Cossack officers themselves were members of the petty nobility.

    This idea also viewed Poles and Ukrainians peers and equal to the Turks, who at that time were not the joke they became centuries later, but rather had the most powerful single state in Europe.

    Although the Polish language held sway as the elite or command language within the new state, it changed over time to incorporate a language based on the local Ukrainian vernacular that was even to be used in written documentation
     
    There were also numerous Polish printing presses in the Hetmanate - I think more than any printing presses in Muscovy.

    I’ve never really thought of the Hetmanate as being based on the Polish model, but something more uniquely Ukrainian (local) and basing itself on more of a military structure.
     
    The Ruthenians were heavily influenced by Poland and were an integral part of it. Their elites spoke the Polish language, and even the famous Orthodox Kiev Academy was based on a Jesuit model with Polish and Latin among the languages of instruction. It follows that the government would similarly reflect Polish ways. Indeed, just as Poland was a "republic of nobles" with an elected king, so the Hetmanate was a "republic of Cossack officers" with an elected Hetman.

    So despite being Orthodox, calling themselves Rusnaks, and warring with the Poles, the Eastern Slavs of Ukraine were simply living in a Polish mental world shared with their western brothers. They just took certain concepts such as elected rulers for granted - concepts that were alien to Muscovites.

    Here is an article about the Bendery Zaporizhian Cossack Constitution of 1710:

    https://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CB%5CE%5CBenderyConstitutionof.htm

    Bendery, Constitution of (Бендерсъка конституція; Benderska konstytutsiia). A covenant signed on 16 April 1710 in Bendery by the newly elected Hetman Pylyp Orlyk with his officers and the Zaporozhian Cossacks. The title of the document, Pacta et Constitutiones Legum Libertatumque Exercitus Zaporoviensis, indicates that the treaty was modeled on the pacta conventa that the Polish nobility made with their newly elected kings.

    :::::::::::::::

    This is why despite various cultural similarities, Ukrainians are simply a very bad fit with Russians in the same state. They have different political values. Russians want a despot - hopefully a kind one, but still. Ukrainians want to be able to kick out someone they don't like anymore.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I’ve been watching what I consider to be one of the best series about Ukrainian castles from the “golden era”. I wanted to point out this specific segment dealing with the Olyka castle in Volhynia, the ancestral home of the Radziwill family in Ukraine. I thought that you might find the reading from Albert Radziwill’s diary regarding the background of the revolutionary movement in Ukraine in 1648 to be interesting. No fan of Khmelnitsky, Albert was honest enough though to lay the blame for the confrontation squarely at the feet of the Polish state, for the outrageous “exploitation of the peasantry” more vicious and inhumane than anything displayed in the rest of Europe. “Brothers” or “exploiters” I often wonder? Start watching at about 24:50:

    • Thanks: AP
    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    His complaints sound like the complaints of those who were victims of the Mongol onslaught - it was the punishment of God for our sins, the peasants did to us what we did to them. It would have been interesting to hear his other reasons.

    The reason for Khmelnytsky's successful rebellion was that the petty gentry with excellent military experience, such as Khmelnytsky, joined the peasants en masse in opposition to the local magnates. Their grievances were more fatal to the unity of the Commonwealth than were those of the peasants (whose plight in Ukraine was actually less severe than in Poland itself). And of course, they would end up screwing themselves, and the peasants, and their people even more as a consequence of their treason. Ukrainians have been trying to undo the turn to Moscow for centuries.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

  901. @LatW
    @songbird


    IMO, the pace of language shift has vastly increased.
     
    Where?

    The protection of the language is quite strongly institutionalized, but of course our language is getting contaminated in some cases (now with English mostly). Some kids also switch to English, but they maintain their native language, of course. While I believe language should be protected, I'm more worried about the survival of the actual race (even more so, the tribes), although I doubt they will be completely gone in just a few centuries (millions are born today and will have children). The problem is the pace of importation of foreigners because once their proportion grows to something significant, that will affect dating (and mating) options.

    Replies: @songbird, @songbird

    The problem is the pace of importation of foreigners

    This is just the politically correct way of saying it.

    Death by a thousand cuts would still be death. But nobody is allowed to articulate this.

    If the rate of import was 2x what it is now, and the rate of export was twice that, then it wouldn’t be a problem at all. The problem is their presence, and their harmful effect on bioculture, which is underscored by the fact that there is a political meltdown when anyone speaks about remigration, however limited in scope.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird


    underscored by the fact that there is a political meltdown when anyone speaks about remigration, however limited in scope.
     
    There are occasional flashes of common sense: (1)

    In an exclusive poll conducted by IFOP, the National Rally (RN) candidate Marine Le Pen is predicted to win the presidency in the second round of voting against Gabriel Attal in 2027. It is the first time any poll has shown her securing victory and becoming president of the nation.

    In the same poll, if she were to face off against Édouard Philippe, she would tie him with 50 percent of the vote.

    The groundbreaking poll, where she earned 51 percent of the vote against Attal, who serves as the current prime minister in the Macron government, has even garnered front-page coverage in France.
     
    That an advocate of Decolonization can be this popular is desirable. However, even if she wins, she would have to simultaneously fight the EU and the French establishment to do anything.

    Meloni has run up against similar roadblocks in Italy. I had some hope when she was elected, but she has been unable to advance sovereignty over EU authoritarianism. Her time in office looks more like a failure every day.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/france/for-the-first-time-ever-poll-shows-le-pen-winning-french-presidency-in-the-second-round/

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Coconuts
    @songbird


    The problem is their presence, and their harmful effect on bioculture, which is underscored by the fact that there is a political meltdown when anyone speaks about remigration, however limited in scope.
     
    Maybe we can look towards the Boomerdämmerung for some change. I saw an interesting article in Unherd about that today:

    https://unherd.com/2024/02/king-charles-and-the-twilight-of-the-boomers/

    There are some links in that to Academic Agent's videos on the Boomer Truth Regime and its origin in WW2, possibly bringing that to a bit wider audience. I guess AA was inspired by guys like Paul Gottfried, with his ideas about the centrality of anti-fascism to the current culture.

    I also saw this post about the likely minimal impact of liberal pronatalism:

    https://postliberal.substack.com/p/the-low-fertility-trap?r=8su7h&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post&utm_source=substack

    Suggesting things will be an uphill struggle for shrinking European populations.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @LatW
    @songbird


    This is just the politically correct way of saying it. [..] Death by a thousand cuts would still be death.
     
    Obviously, the original problem is that they are being imported in the first place - that goes without saying. All I was saying was that if the rate of importation continues, then it could become irreversible, because due to sheer numbers, people will start dating out of their race (or culture) in much larger numbers, the way it's going to happen soon in parts of the US.

    For the EU, there is also an ethical dimension to this or the issue of fairness - the people arriving have not all made the commitment to the norms governing these societies - for example, if the Ukrainians were to be accepted into the EU, the Ukrainian population would have to jump through endless hoops for a long time, before they are ready to be admitted, yet the migrants get accepted without having made any commitments. This undercuts the principles that the European societies are based upon.

    As to your language related comment, you were saying that "the pace of language shift has vastly increased". From what I understand, "language shift" is not degradation of language, but a situation where native speakers literally move away from their native language and gradually switch to another. That's why I asked, where this was happening among European nations, I have seen some very minor evidence of English being used that way, which is disturbing, yes, but it is still relatively minor.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  902. @songbird
    @LatW


    The problem is the pace of importation of foreigners
     
    This is just the politically correct way of saying it.

    Death by a thousand cuts would still be death. But nobody is allowed to articulate this.

    If the rate of import was 2x what it is now, and the rate of export was twice that, then it wouldn't be a problem at all. The problem is their presence, and their harmful effect on bioculture, which is underscored by the fact that there is a political meltdown when anyone speaks about remigration, however limited in scope.

    Replies: @A123, @Coconuts, @LatW

    underscored by the fact that there is a political meltdown when anyone speaks about remigration, however limited in scope.

    There are occasional flashes of common sense: (1)

    In an exclusive poll conducted by IFOP, the National Rally (RN) candidate Marine Le Pen is predicted to win the presidency in the second round of voting against Gabriel Attal in 2027. It is the first time any poll has shown her securing victory and becoming president of the nation.

    In the same poll, if she were to face off against Édouard Philippe, she would tie him with 50 percent of the vote.

    The groundbreaking poll, where she earned 51 percent of the vote against Attal, who serves as the current prime minister in the Macron government, has even garnered front-page coverage in France.

    That an advocate of Decolonization can be this popular is desirable. However, even if she wins, she would have to simultaneously fight the EU and the French establishment to do anything.

    Meloni has run up against similar roadblocks in Italy. I had some hope when she was elected, but she has been unable to advance sovereignty over EU authoritarianism. Her time in office looks more like a failure every day.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/france/for-the-first-time-ever-poll-shows-le-pen-winning-french-presidency-in-the-second-round/

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    Honestly, haven't been following French politics, but I thought I heard vaguely that Le Pen denounced AfD or something after that speech by Sellner. Maybe, she didn't say "AfD" specifically, I don't know, but, I have heard that she seems to have diluted her rhetoric a lot.

    Replies: @German_reader

  903. @A123
    @songbird


    underscored by the fact that there is a political meltdown when anyone speaks about remigration, however limited in scope.
     
    There are occasional flashes of common sense: (1)

    In an exclusive poll conducted by IFOP, the National Rally (RN) candidate Marine Le Pen is predicted to win the presidency in the second round of voting against Gabriel Attal in 2027. It is the first time any poll has shown her securing victory and becoming president of the nation.

    In the same poll, if she were to face off against Édouard Philippe, she would tie him with 50 percent of the vote.

    The groundbreaking poll, where she earned 51 percent of the vote against Attal, who serves as the current prime minister in the Macron government, has even garnered front-page coverage in France.
     
    That an advocate of Decolonization can be this popular is desirable. However, even if she wins, she would have to simultaneously fight the EU and the French establishment to do anything.

    Meloni has run up against similar roadblocks in Italy. I had some hope when she was elected, but she has been unable to advance sovereignty over EU authoritarianism. Her time in office looks more like a failure every day.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/france/for-the-first-time-ever-poll-shows-le-pen-winning-french-presidency-in-the-second-round/

    Replies: @songbird

    Honestly, haven’t been following French politics, but I thought I heard vaguely that Le Pen denounced AfD or something after that speech by Sellner. Maybe, she didn’t say “AfD” specifically, I don’t know, but, I have heard that she seems to have diluted her rhetoric a lot.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird

    She did indeed criticize AfD, apparently taking the media's campaign at face value; pretty lame, it's not like Sellner's ideas are anything like official AfD policy. I attribute it to her desire to be respectable and not harm relations with the German establishment, if she becomes president (even Orban doesn't cultivate ties with AfD for similar reasons after all). A lot of French right-wingers also seem to be strongly anti-German in general. I suppose some of them at least still pride themselves on the alleged assimilatory capacity of French culture (despite the evidence to the contrary among certain communities), contrasting it with primitive German blood and soil Nazis.

  904. @AP
    @Beckow


    …They crushed the Hungarians at the invitation of the Hapsburgs.

    Good, the Magyars were becoming uppity. We and the Croats joined in the crushing…
     
    Croats yes. And also Romanians.

    But not so much the Slovaks.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1848#Western_Slovak_Uprising

    "The leaders of the Slovak Volunteers, Ľudovít Štúr, Jozef Miloslav Hurban and Michal Miloslav Hodža, struggled to elicit total support from the Slovak nation. Many Slovak peasants were more concerned with the abolition of feudal servitude, and not with wider national goals. Religious differences also played a key role, as the leaders of the Slovak volunteers were predominantly Protestant, which led to difficulties in eliciting support in regions with a catholic Slovak majority.[77] As a result, they could recruit only up to 2,000 people, while a much higher percentage of the Slovak population was serving in the Hungarian Honvédség (Home Guard) among the Hungarian revolutionaries.[78]"

    Some Galicians volunteered to help crush the Magyars.

    My aunt digitized the 19th century memoirs of one of our relatives.

    He wrote how in 1848 the local Rus supported Austria against Hungary. The ladies wore black and yellow ribbons in their hair and the men volunteered to join Rus Freikorps (руські фрайкури). Although the Russians were on the same side and viewed as friends at the time, they were not called Rus but Muscovites (Moskali).

    have extremely negative opinions of Russia. Poles, Balts, Finns, Georgians, Ukrainians.

    I think it is mutual and quite universal. Nobody really likes the Poles. And the Galicians or Caucasians, my god, don’t get me started. The French dislike the Germans, Irish the English
     
    None of these peoples dislike one another nearly as much as everyone ruled by Russia dislikes the Russians. And peoples who have been ruled by Russians and by someone else dislike Russians much more than they do the others, such as Germans.

    You are just wallowing in your ignorance of Russia, safe on the other side of the Carpathians.

    Only the Greek-Turkish, or Greek-Armenian, attitudes are comparable to those of Ukrainians, Balts, Poles and Finns towards Russia. If you were more thoughtful you would understand why that is.

    1950-1990. Not coincidentally, this is the time for your negative experiences.

    What? About half of our population thinks those were the golden years: population doubled, health care and education became free, everyone had an easy job, housing and infrastructure were build like never before or after, GNP quadrupled
     
    That's when you sank relative to those not ruled by Moscow. But Slovaks liked the Nazis too. And they were pretty quiet when it came to the Magyars.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    None of these peoples dislike one another nearly as much…Russians.

    How could anyone know? Do you have some sort of “hatred index” that an objective NGO paid by Western governments maintains? Nonsense, neighbouring nations often dislike each other – it is not measurable and changes over time. In my experience the deepest hatred is of Koreans for Japs and Irish for English, but it is also only shallow impression.

    What would be the Polish attitude toward Russians in 1946? They were just saved from extermination…but given the Poles are the most ungrateful chujova rasa I wouldn’t expect much.

    …you sank relative to

    “Relative” means nothing, we quadrupled our living standards in 40 years…it is like arguing that Gates is a ‘relative’ failure because Musk is even richer.

    leaders of the Slovak volunteers were predominantly Protestant, which led to difficulties in eliciting support in regions with a catholic Slovak majority

    There were 6,000 volunteers and 10k total participants – the wiki is often nonsense, manipulated ‘history’ by those who care a lot, in this case probably Magyars living in US. You can go to the Myjava museum and see the names of the 6k, it is true that majority were Protestants and there were many volunteers from Morava. Croats did better, but in any case the Magyar nationalist madness was put down for a generation. Then it started again and we had to do it again. The Galicians should learn that’s how it works…

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    None of these peoples dislike one another nearly as much…Russians.

    How could anyone know? Do you have some sort of “hatred index” that an objective NGO paid by Western governments maintains?
     
    You might pretend surveys don't count but polls consistently place Russians are the most disliked nation and Russia the most disliked country in all the areas the border Russia, other than Belarus which itself is Russified.

    If you don't like Poles, election results show the same thing: anti-Russian parties do well.

    What would be the Polish attitude toward Russians in 1946? They were just saved from extermination
     
    They were saved from extermination and forced into servitude.

    We know that you, a natural lackey, would not see that as a problem. You welcome servitude, it comes naturally to you. Nazis, Commies, Magyars - you eagerly do what you are told. Others do not share your instincts.

    Nor were the Poles even saved as a result of any kindness or decency. The Soviets were allies of the Nazis, after all. Hitler attacked the Soviets first. Soviets fought back, and happened to enslave the Poles along the way.

    If Hitler had not attacked his Soviet allies the Soviets would have done nothing as the Poles were exterminated.

    The real lack of gratitude is of the Soviets for the Poles, for refusing a Nazi alliance that would have sealed the fate of the Eastern Slavs. The Poles did it out of stubbornness and pride, not out of love for Russians and Ukrainians, but nevetherless their refusal to be partners of the Nazis (as Slovaks were) made the existence of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples possible. Poles, after all, have an excellent record of fighting Russians. When they fight as a state they beat the Russians more than they lose. The last time they fought them they defeated them, in 1921. Stalin was smart to wait until the Germans mostly defeated Poland before moving his forces westward.

    …you sank relative to

    “Relative” means nothing, we quadrupled our living standards in 40 years
     
    While everyone else did even more. You fell behind and became poorer than the non-commies.

    it is like arguing that Gates is a ‘relative’ failure because Musk is even richer.
     
    Lol, you were like neither Musk nor Gates.

    Materially you became about as poor as persecuted Blacks in an American ghetto. But you were richer than your grandparents. As were they. Congratulations. I suppose as a natural servant that was good enough for you.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

  905. Most people didn’t get that far but Carlson asked Putin about Apocalypse, Revelation, Armageddon and Anti Christ.

    Tucker Carlson: So do you see the supernatural at work? As you look out across what’s happening in the world now, do you see God at work? Do you ever think to yourself: these are forces that are not human?

    Vladimir Putin: No, to be honest, I don’t think so. My opinion is that the development of the world community is in accordance with the inherent laws, and those laws are what they are. It’s always been this way in the history of mankind. Some nations and countries rose, became stronger and more numerous, and then left the international stage, losing the status they had accustomed to. There is probably no need for me to give examples, but we could start with Genghis Khan and the Horde conquerors, the Golden Horde, and then end with the Roman Empire.

    It seems that there has never been anything like the Roman Empire in the history of mankind. Nevertheless, the potential of the barbarians gradually grew, as did their population. In general, the barbarians were getting stronger and began to develop economically, as we would say today. This eventually led to the collapse of the Roman Empire and the regime imposed by the Romans. However, it took five centuries for the Roman Empire to fall apart. The difference with what is happening now is that all the processes of change are happening at a much faster pace than in Roman times.

    Tucker Carlson: So when does the AI empire start do you think?

    Also: Putin did not say that the Ukraine is a fake and gay country. He did say it was artificial. Very diplomatic. I thought the history lesson was pretty cool. Also he quoted Dostoevsky.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Also: Putin did not say that the Ukraine is a fake and gay country. He did say it was artificial. Very diplomatic. I thought the history lesson was pretty cool. Also he quoted Dostoevsky.'

    I guess you thought it was cool enough to not fact check.

    Ukraine declared independence before being forced in the Soviet Union:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_War_of_Independence

    Russia swore to protect and defend the autonomy of Ukraine as part of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

    The Russian Empire ended in 1917 as the Communists planned on eliminating all nationalities. Russia was technically a Communist area of administration and not a state from 1917-1991:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire

    The first Slavic empire was headed in Kiev:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27

    Putin ignores all of that history when giving his history talks. I can also pull a pre-war interview where he claims to have no border issues with Ukraine.

    Putin is simply full of shit. His type of historical revisionism only works when a coward like Tucker gives him a scripted interview.

    As a reminder it was Tucker that started his career by playing the "good conservative" on CNN and never dared question any liberal taboos.

    Also he quoted Dostoevsky.

    Well here is some Dostoevsky for Putin fans:

    Above all, don't lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love.

    Replies: @Beckow

  906. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @A123

    Honestly, haven't been following French politics, but I thought I heard vaguely that Le Pen denounced AfD or something after that speech by Sellner. Maybe, she didn't say "AfD" specifically, I don't know, but, I have heard that she seems to have diluted her rhetoric a lot.

    Replies: @German_reader

    She did indeed criticize AfD, apparently taking the media’s campaign at face value; pretty lame, it’s not like Sellner’s ideas are anything like official AfD policy. I attribute it to her desire to be respectable and not harm relations with the German establishment, if she becomes president (even Orban doesn’t cultivate ties with AfD for similar reasons after all). A lot of French right-wingers also seem to be strongly anti-German in general. I suppose some of them at least still pride themselves on the alleged assimilatory capacity of French culture (despite the evidence to the contrary among certain communities), contrasting it with primitive German blood and soil Nazis.

    • Thanks: songbird
  907. Based on what has been translated of the passages from that scroll, I wouldn’t say that they are completely valueless, but contain at least a slight comedic value.

    https://scrollprize.org/grandprize

    Imagine some buffoonish character in a movie saying that before being elbowed aside, or some NPC in a videogame.

    If the Somalis could be deported and the savings recouped, I would suggest spending the full $1-2 billion now, without even waiting for the AI segmentation, which I am sure will come along shortly anyway.
    ______
    Would be interesting to see if cystic fibrosis is more common in Indians with more Steppe ancestry. Doesn’t seem to be very common over there at all, so might just be random mutations.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    Based on what has been translated of the passages from that scroll, I wouldn’t say that they are completely valueless, but contain at least a slight comedic value.
     
    Even if it's only philosophical texts, it's still interesting. My understanding is that not many of the original Greek texts of Epicureanism have been preserved (though there's Lucretius' great didactic poem in Latin), so much of what we know about it comes from less than sympathetic outside observers.
    Would of course be nice, if they also found some history or poetry.

    Replies: @songbird

  908. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    Based on what has been translated of the passages from that scroll, I wouldn't say that they are completely valueless, but contain at least a slight comedic value.

    https://scrollprize.org/grandprize

    Imagine some buffoonish character in a movie saying that before being elbowed aside, or some NPC in a videogame.

    If the Somalis could be deported and the savings recouped, I would suggest spending the full $1-2 billion now, without even waiting for the AI segmentation, which I am sure will come along shortly anyway.
    ______
    Would be interesting to see if cystic fibrosis is more common in Indians with more Steppe ancestry. Doesn't seem to be very common over there at all, so might just be random mutations.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Based on what has been translated of the passages from that scroll, I wouldn’t say that they are completely valueless, but contain at least a slight comedic value.

    Even if it’s only philosophical texts, it’s still interesting. My understanding is that not many of the original Greek texts of Epicureanism have been preserved (though there’s Lucretius’ great didactic poem in Latin), so much of what we know about it comes from less than sympathetic outside observers.
    Would of course be nice, if they also found some history or poetry.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    Maybe, it would sound better with a better translation. Have noticed that the epic poems seem to vary a lot in their quality, depending on the interpretation.

    Would be wild if there were a lot of philosophical texts to the point where people started to LARP it, as a religion. Maybe, even competing sects.

    Anyway, I think it is quite impressive as a technical feat. That was just a little data they had to train it on, when compared to the whole.

    I don't know how plausible it is, but I do find the prospect of other rooms underneath tantalizing, I can't quite understand how it hasn't been more definitely addressed already. And I guess there is always the prospect of other buildings with libraries, though perhaps, it would be hard to find them.

    Replies: @German_reader

  909. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Based on what has been translated of the passages from that scroll, I wouldn’t say that they are completely valueless, but contain at least a slight comedic value.
     
    Even if it's only philosophical texts, it's still interesting. My understanding is that not many of the original Greek texts of Epicureanism have been preserved (though there's Lucretius' great didactic poem in Latin), so much of what we know about it comes from less than sympathetic outside observers.
    Would of course be nice, if they also found some history or poetry.

    Replies: @songbird

    Maybe, it would sound better with a better translation. Have noticed that the epic poems seem to vary a lot in their quality, depending on the interpretation.

    Would be wild if there were a lot of philosophical texts to the point where people started to LARP it, as a religion. Maybe, even competing sects.

    Anyway, I think it is quite impressive as a technical feat. That was just a little data they had to train it on, when compared to the whole.

    I don’t know how plausible it is, but I do find the prospect of other rooms underneath tantalizing, I can’t quite understand how it hasn’t been more definitely addressed already. And I guess there is always the prospect of other buildings with libraries, though perhaps, it would be hard to find them.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    Would be wild if there were a lot of philosophical texts to the point where people started to LARP it, as a religion.

     

    Don't some people already do that with Stoicism? iirc Bill Clinton claimed to have read Marcus Aurelius' Meditations, so it must have a certain prestige at least.

    I can’t quite understand how it hasn’t been more definitely addressed already.
     
    iirc the excavated parts of Pompeii and Heculaneum already have plenty of conservation issues due to Italy's fiscal problems and the resulting lack of funding, so the argument was "Let's focus on preserving what we already have, instead of adding new burdens". And as long as there was no way of reading unopened scrolls, there wasn't that much point in looking for more anyway, all the more so since they're so fragile and might fall apart when taken out of the ground.
    But I hope there'll be more of an incentive to excavate the additional levels of the villa now. There's always the risk that at some point this won't be possible anymore, if Vesuvius erupts again (which is overdue, if I understand correctly).

    Replies: @songbird

  910. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    Maybe, it would sound better with a better translation. Have noticed that the epic poems seem to vary a lot in their quality, depending on the interpretation.

    Would be wild if there were a lot of philosophical texts to the point where people started to LARP it, as a religion. Maybe, even competing sects.

    Anyway, I think it is quite impressive as a technical feat. That was just a little data they had to train it on, when compared to the whole.

    I don't know how plausible it is, but I do find the prospect of other rooms underneath tantalizing, I can't quite understand how it hasn't been more definitely addressed already. And I guess there is always the prospect of other buildings with libraries, though perhaps, it would be hard to find them.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Would be wild if there were a lot of philosophical texts to the point where people started to LARP it, as a religion.

    Don’t some people already do that with Stoicism? iirc Bill Clinton claimed to have read Marcus Aurelius’ Meditations, so it must have a certain prestige at least.

    I can’t quite understand how it hasn’t been more definitely addressed already.

    iirc the excavated parts of Pompeii and Heculaneum already have plenty of conservation issues due to Italy’s fiscal problems and the resulting lack of funding, so the argument was “Let’s focus on preserving what we already have, instead of adding new burdens”. And as long as there was no way of reading unopened scrolls, there wasn’t that much point in looking for more anyway, all the more so since they’re so fragile and might fall apart when taken out of the ground.
    But I hope there’ll be more of an incentive to excavate the additional levels of the villa now. There’s always the risk that at some point this won’t be possible anymore, if Vesuvius erupts again (which is overdue, if I understand correctly).

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader


    iirc the excavated parts of Pompeii and Heculaneum already have plenty of conservation issues due to Italy’s fiscal problems a
     
    Would be a great irony if the plummeting fertility created by the technological revolution somehow prevented the scrolls from being read, now that the technology exists. Though even the estimated costs don't seem too high, compared to how money is normally spent. The US could easily foot the bill, by scrimping on a dozen wasteful projects, including sending a black lesbian to the Moon.

    if Vesuvius erupts again (which is overdue, if I understand correctly).
     
    This page seems to imply that a really big eruption might be hundreds of years away, but says it has "complicated plumbing."
    https://www.futurity.org/vesuvius-volcanoes-magma-2684962/

    Not sure how approachable it is during smaller eruptions, but the one in 1631 seems to have killed 3000 people.

    I feel like any possibility of uncovering literature should probably take priority over other digs. Though, I understand that they are draining the bogs in Ireland and and other parts of Europe at some massive, staggering level to burn the peat for electricity and draining the water causes everything to decay. The Greens have a lot to answer for.
  911. Hysterics and childish tantrums of Western propaganda, in combination with ridicule of pathetic Biden, who, trying to prove that his memory is OK made yet another gaffe, might actually impede sane view of the events.

    Objectively, the empire is in decline, its power is waning, it suffers one defeat after another. While the US elites are united in being hell-bent on denying the reality and clinging to the imperial graetness, there are two main fractions. One, which came ahead by 2020 election fraud in the US, considers Russia as the most dangerous enemy, and China as a less dangerous one. The other (which includes Trump, cheated out of victory in 2020) considers China a more dangerous enemy than Russia.

    Intelligent people would have tried to play Russia and China against each other, like Nixon did back in the 1970s. However, the US policy is determined by stupid people: the US keeps provoking Russia and China at the same time, thereby cementing their totally unnatural alliance.

    When God wants to punish someone, he takes away his mind. If there is God, he is playing against dying empire. If there is no God, the reality is doing exactly the same thing.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    The New York Times had an op-ed yesterday that Biden is unfit to continue.

    https://archive.ph/FEYzx

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...If there is God, he is playing against dying empire. If there is no God, the reality is doing exactly the same thing.
     
    God has no free will and so he can't have preferences. He doesn't play for any side. If God exists (big if) that's the way he would be...it all just happens. It makes praying worthless and miracles random.

    We have free will and the choices we make matter. US empire-boosters have played the game badly for a few decades - hubris, overreach, inability to count, understand geography, history and human nature. They have managed to unite all potential enemies and started to cannibalize friends. They suffer from false analogies mental cul-de-sac and started to believe the myths they invented.

    The reality is not changed by describing it differently - it only leads to bad decisions. And 'against all' based on a false sense of invincibility and fake values has never been a winning strategy. I am not sure what happened with the Washington elite in the last 20-30 years, but they have lost their sense for understanding reality. Now for the consequences...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  912. @songbird
    @LatW


    The problem is the pace of importation of foreigners
     
    This is just the politically correct way of saying it.

    Death by a thousand cuts would still be death. But nobody is allowed to articulate this.

    If the rate of import was 2x what it is now, and the rate of export was twice that, then it wouldn't be a problem at all. The problem is their presence, and their harmful effect on bioculture, which is underscored by the fact that there is a political meltdown when anyone speaks about remigration, however limited in scope.

    Replies: @A123, @Coconuts, @LatW

    The problem is their presence, and their harmful effect on bioculture, which is underscored by the fact that there is a political meltdown when anyone speaks about remigration, however limited in scope.

    Maybe we can look towards the Boomerdämmerung for some change. I saw an interesting article in Unherd about that today:

    https://unherd.com/2024/02/king-charles-and-the-twilight-of-the-boomers/

    There are some links in that to Academic Agent’s videos on the Boomer Truth Regime and its origin in WW2, possibly bringing that to a bit wider audience. I guess AA was inspired by guys like Paul Gottfried, with his ideas about the centrality of anti-fascism to the current culture.

    I also saw this post about the likely minimal impact of liberal pronatalism:

    https://postliberal.substack.com/p/the-low-fertility-trap?r=8su7h&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post&utm_source=substack

    Suggesting things will be an uphill struggle for shrinking European populations.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Coconuts


    Maybe we can look towards the Boomerdämmerung for some change
     
    Agree with what I heard Eric Kaufmann once say, that political change will happen too slow to save us - that by its nature, requiring generational shift, it is too slow. Look at the number of Sinn Féin voters who oppose current immigration levels, despite the party itself being very woke: 72%! And perhaps, by the time newer parties gained traction, they would be corrupted too.

    Heard him say a few months back that the only hope to roll back woke is in the courts - though I am an institutional pessimist. I tend to think the solutions will involve new institutions rather than old.

    Am sure that the Boomers dying off will cause substantial changes though. For one thing, I believe it will get rid of the superficial faces that they put on things. Like Joe Biden or the head of NASA. They will be replaced with women or PoC.

    Not too sure it will be positive, unless in an accelerationist way.


    I also saw this post about the likely minimal impact of liberal pronatalism:
     
    Tend to agree that economic incentives alone won't work. That doesn't mean the needle can't be moved, and moved substantially, but IMO, it requires nationalism or at least a spiritual appeal.

    Think it would be easy and proper to incentivize a mass propaganda campaign. Guess it kind of creates a sticky issue though because the question for Euro nationalists is how you do it in a particularist way. No European state seems to be willing to acknowledge that the problem is lack of European babies. I suppose even a directed propaganda campaign would have possibilities of backfiring, if others take up the message and adapt it for their group.

    But these people who say it is hopeless and that nothing will work are obviously wrong. Nobody has even tried to employ some of the cultural technology utilized in 19th century rural Ireland.

    See bottom of page 468:
    https://archive.org/details/MemoirsOfJeremiahCurtin/page/n479/mode/1up?view=theater

    Replies: @Coconuts

  913. @Emil Nikola Richard
    Most people didn't get that far but Carlson asked Putin about Apocalypse, Revelation, Armageddon and Anti Christ.

    Tucker Carlson: So do you see the supernatural at work? As you look out across what’s happening in the world now, do you see God at work? Do you ever think to yourself: these are forces that are not human?

    Vladimir Putin: No, to be honest, I don't think so. My opinion is that the development of the world community is in accordance with the inherent laws, and those laws are what they are. It's always been this way in the history of mankind. Some nations and countries rose, became stronger and more numerous, and then left the international stage, losing the status they had accustomed to. There is probably no need for me to give examples, but we could start with Genghis Khan and the Horde conquerors, the Golden Horde, and then end with the Roman Empire.

    It seems that there has never been anything like the Roman Empire in the history of mankind. Nevertheless, the potential of the barbarians gradually grew, as did their population. In general, the barbarians were getting stronger and began to develop economically, as we would say today. This eventually led to the collapse of the Roman Empire and the regime imposed by the Romans. However, it took five centuries for the Roman Empire to fall apart. The difference with what is happening now is that all the processes of change are happening at a much faster pace than in Roman times.

    Tucker Carlson: So when does the AI empire start do you think?
     
    Also: Putin did not say that the Ukraine is a fake and gay country. He did say it was artificial. Very diplomatic. I thought the history lesson was pretty cool. Also he quoted Dostoevsky.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Also: Putin did not say that the Ukraine is a fake and gay country. He did say it was artificial. Very diplomatic. I thought the history lesson was pretty cool. Also he quoted Dostoevsky.

    I guess you thought it was cool enough to not fact check.

    Ukraine declared independence before being forced in the Soviet Union:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_War_of_Independence

    Russia swore to protect and defend the autonomy of Ukraine as part of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

    The Russian Empire ended in 1917 as the Communists planned on eliminating all nationalities. Russia was technically a Communist area of administration and not a state from 1917-1991:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire

    The first Slavic empire was headed in Kiev:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27

    Putin ignores all of that history when giving his history talks. I can also pull a pre-war interview where he claims to have no border issues with Ukraine.

    Putin is simply full of shit. His type of historical revisionism only works when a coward like Tucker gives him a scripted interview.

    As a reminder it was Tucker that started his career by playing the “good conservative” on CNN and never dared question any liberal taboos.

    Also he quoted Dostoevsky.

    Well here is some Dostoevsky for Putin fans:

    Above all, don’t lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...Ukraine declared independence before being forced in the Soviet Union
     
    So did Catalonia, Palestine, Sub-carpathia and quite a few other places. Anyone can 'declare' things, without the ability to make it work it means very little.

    Russia swore to protect and defend the autonomy of Ukraine as part of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum
     
    They didn't - it was a memorandum, a statement never approved by Duma or any Russian institution. But it specifically said that Ukraine will be neutral - by trying to join Nato Ukraine made the memorandum invalid. (It is in the Kiev Constitution!)

    Russia was technically a Communist area of administration and not a state from 1917-1991
     
    Sure, and you 'technically' a moron. The sci-fi infantile nonsense lowers even the other poor arguments you are making.

    The first Slavic empire was headed in Kiev
     
    It was called Rus, not Ukraine. Going back 1,000 years in any region will give you very weird analogies. Do you know that 1,000 years ago England was a Norman colony? US had natives running around and Spain had Moors...get real, we live in 2024.

    It looks like it is you who is lying to himself. But I can see how accepting the reality - that Ukie screwed up and are about to end up much worse - is too hard. It will take some time.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  914. @songbird
    @LatW


    The problem is the pace of importation of foreigners
     
    This is just the politically correct way of saying it.

    Death by a thousand cuts would still be death. But nobody is allowed to articulate this.

    If the rate of import was 2x what it is now, and the rate of export was twice that, then it wouldn't be a problem at all. The problem is their presence, and their harmful effect on bioculture, which is underscored by the fact that there is a political meltdown when anyone speaks about remigration, however limited in scope.

    Replies: @A123, @Coconuts, @LatW

    This is just the politically correct way of saying it. [..] Death by a thousand cuts would still be death.

    Obviously, the original problem is that they are being imported in the first place – that goes without saying. All I was saying was that if the rate of importation continues, then it could become irreversible, because due to sheer numbers, people will start dating out of their race (or culture) in much larger numbers, the way it’s going to happen soon in parts of the US.

    For the EU, there is also an ethical dimension to this or the issue of fairness – the people arriving have not all made the commitment to the norms governing these societies – for example, if the Ukrainians were to be accepted into the EU, the Ukrainian population would have to jump through endless hoops for a long time, before they are ready to be admitted, yet the migrants get accepted without having made any commitments. This undercuts the principles that the European societies are based upon.

    As to your language related comment, you were saying that “the pace of language shift has vastly increased”. From what I understand, “language shift” is not degradation of language, but a situation where native speakers literally move away from their native language and gradually switch to another. That’s why I asked, where this was happening among European nations, I have seen some very minor evidence of English being used that way, which is disturbing, yes, but it is still relatively minor.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @LatW


    All I was saying was that if the rate of importation continues, then it could become irreversible
     
    If the pace is slow, there is more time to react, but reacting seems less urgent.

    If the pace is fast, there is less time to react, but reacting seems more urgent.

    Hard to say which is preferable. (Aside from 'neither'.)
  915. @AnonfromTN
    Hysterics and childish tantrums of Western propaganda, in combination with ridicule of pathetic Biden, who, trying to prove that his memory is OK made yet another gaffe, might actually impede sane view of the events.

    Objectively, the empire is in decline, its power is waning, it suffers one defeat after another. While the US elites are united in being hell-bent on denying the reality and clinging to the imperial graetness, there are two main fractions. One, which came ahead by 2020 election fraud in the US, considers Russia as the most dangerous enemy, and China as a less dangerous one. The other (which includes Trump, cheated out of victory in 2020) considers China a more dangerous enemy than Russia.

    Intelligent people would have tried to play Russia and China against each other, like Nixon did back in the 1970s. However, the US policy is determined by stupid people: the US keeps provoking Russia and China at the same time, thereby cementing their totally unnatural alliance.

    When God wants to punish someone, he takes away his mind. If there is God, he is playing against dying empire. If there is no God, the reality is doing exactly the same thing.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow

    The New York Times had an op-ed yesterday that Biden is unfit to continue.

    https://archive.ph/FEYzx

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    The New York Times had an op-ed yesterday that Biden is unfit to continue.
     
    Corrupt senile half-corpse was never fit to run the country. Then again, he never ran it. The country is run by people nobody elected and very few know the names of. This is “democracy”, remember.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  916. Intelligent people would have tried to play Russia and China against each other, like Nixon did back in the 1970s. However, the US policy is determined by stupid people

    It may be more hubris than stupidity, not that they are mutually exclusive.

    She did indeed criticize AfD, apparently taking the media’s campaign at face value; pretty lame, it’s not like Sellner’s ideas are anything like official AfD policy. I attribute it to her desire to be respectable

    I guess she’s another Meloni.

    I witnessed an ‘anti-Nazi’ demo in Nuremberg last weekend. Looked very performative to me, like they were having a good time and not at all worried about Nazis coming to power.

  917. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AnonfromTN

    The New York Times had an op-ed yesterday that Biden is unfit to continue.

    https://archive.ph/FEYzx

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    The New York Times had an op-ed yesterday that Biden is unfit to continue.

    Corrupt senile half-corpse was never fit to run the country. Then again, he never ran it. The country is run by people nobody elected and very few know the names of. This is “democracy”, remember.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @AnonfromTN


    The country is run by people nobody elected and very few know the names of.
     
    Trump tried to act as a real president. That is exactly what caused the wrath of those who ran the country when the previous piece of shit docilely served as a figurehead. They wanted to keep running the country, and Trump was getting in the way. Hence #nevertrump hysteria. Hence their fear that Trump is elected and acts as a real president. Hence their love of current senile puppet who is putty in their hands.
  918. @AnonfromTN
    Hysterics and childish tantrums of Western propaganda, in combination with ridicule of pathetic Biden, who, trying to prove that his memory is OK made yet another gaffe, might actually impede sane view of the events.

    Objectively, the empire is in decline, its power is waning, it suffers one defeat after another. While the US elites are united in being hell-bent on denying the reality and clinging to the imperial graetness, there are two main fractions. One, which came ahead by 2020 election fraud in the US, considers Russia as the most dangerous enemy, and China as a less dangerous one. The other (which includes Trump, cheated out of victory in 2020) considers China a more dangerous enemy than Russia.

    Intelligent people would have tried to play Russia and China against each other, like Nixon did back in the 1970s. However, the US policy is determined by stupid people: the US keeps provoking Russia and China at the same time, thereby cementing their totally unnatural alliance.

    When God wants to punish someone, he takes away his mind. If there is God, he is playing against dying empire. If there is no God, the reality is doing exactly the same thing.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow

    …If there is God, he is playing against dying empire. If there is no God, the reality is doing exactly the same thing.

    God has no free will and so he can’t have preferences. He doesn’t play for any side. If God exists (big if) that’s the way he would be…it all just happens. It makes praying worthless and miracles random.

    We have free will and the choices we make matter. US empire-boosters have played the game badly for a few decades – hubris, overreach, inability to count, understand geography, history and human nature. They have managed to unite all potential enemies and started to cannibalize friends. They suffer from false analogies mental cul-de-sac and started to believe the myths they invented.

    The reality is not changed by describing it differently – it only leads to bad decisions. And ‘against all‘ based on a false sense of invincibility and fake values has never been a winning strategy. I am not sure what happened with the Washington elite in the last 20-30 years, but they have lost their sense for understanding reality. Now for the consequences…

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    US empire-boosters have played the game badly for a few decades – hubris, overreach, inability to count, understand geography, history and human nature.
     
    I think the idea of American founders that checks and balances are necessary was correct. The USSR provided those checks and balances. As soon as it disintegrated, everything went haywire.
  919. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Would be wild if there were a lot of philosophical texts to the point where people started to LARP it, as a religion.

     

    Don't some people already do that with Stoicism? iirc Bill Clinton claimed to have read Marcus Aurelius' Meditations, so it must have a certain prestige at least.

    I can’t quite understand how it hasn’t been more definitely addressed already.
     
    iirc the excavated parts of Pompeii and Heculaneum already have plenty of conservation issues due to Italy's fiscal problems and the resulting lack of funding, so the argument was "Let's focus on preserving what we already have, instead of adding new burdens". And as long as there was no way of reading unopened scrolls, there wasn't that much point in looking for more anyway, all the more so since they're so fragile and might fall apart when taken out of the ground.
    But I hope there'll be more of an incentive to excavate the additional levels of the villa now. There's always the risk that at some point this won't be possible anymore, if Vesuvius erupts again (which is overdue, if I understand correctly).

    Replies: @songbird

    iirc the excavated parts of Pompeii and Heculaneum already have plenty of conservation issues due to Italy’s fiscal problems a

    Would be a great irony if the plummeting fertility created by the technological revolution somehow prevented the scrolls from being read, now that the technology exists. Though even the estimated costs don’t seem too high, compared to how money is normally spent. The US could easily foot the bill, by scrimping on a dozen wasteful projects, including sending a black lesbian to the Moon.

    if Vesuvius erupts again (which is overdue, if I understand correctly).

    This page seems to imply that a really big eruption might be hundreds of years away, but says it has “complicated plumbing.”

    [MORE]

    https://www.futurity.org/vesuvius-volcanoes-magma-2684962/

    Not sure how approachable it is during smaller eruptions, but the one in 1631 seems to have killed 3000 people.

    I feel like any possibility of uncovering literature should probably take priority over other digs. Though, I understand that they are draining the bogs in Ireland and and other parts of Europe at some massive, staggering level to burn the peat for electricity and draining the water causes everything to decay. The Greens have a lot to answer for.

  920. Countering the usual BS is this coherent discussion factually debunking the neocon/neolib and flat out Russia hating BS:

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    LOL Scott Ritter? Really?

    Here is Scott Ritter explaining how Ukraine is about to collapse.

    A year ago.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRghOommHCs&list=PLbCcEP_kZ1qhvpyQtY32NpfXwOVqkXvSX&index=66

    Oh and the homosexual judge he is talking to was accused of raping a man.
    https://nypost.com/2020/09/11/andrew-napolitano-sexually-abused-man-in-exchange-for-light-sentence-suit/

    Some fascinating characters that line up to defend the mass murdering dwarf.

    Can't help but notice how his top bloggers in the US are disproportionately homosexual and criminal.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  921. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...If there is God, he is playing against dying empire. If there is no God, the reality is doing exactly the same thing.
     
    God has no free will and so he can't have preferences. He doesn't play for any side. If God exists (big if) that's the way he would be...it all just happens. It makes praying worthless and miracles random.

    We have free will and the choices we make matter. US empire-boosters have played the game badly for a few decades - hubris, overreach, inability to count, understand geography, history and human nature. They have managed to unite all potential enemies and started to cannibalize friends. They suffer from false analogies mental cul-de-sac and started to believe the myths they invented.

    The reality is not changed by describing it differently - it only leads to bad decisions. And 'against all' based on a false sense of invincibility and fake values has never been a winning strategy. I am not sure what happened with the Washington elite in the last 20-30 years, but they have lost their sense for understanding reality. Now for the consequences...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    US empire-boosters have played the game badly for a few decades – hubris, overreach, inability to count, understand geography, history and human nature.

    I think the idea of American founders that checks and balances are necessary was correct. The USSR provided those checks and balances. As soon as it disintegrated, everything went haywire.

  922. @Coconuts
    @songbird


    The problem is their presence, and their harmful effect on bioculture, which is underscored by the fact that there is a political meltdown when anyone speaks about remigration, however limited in scope.
     
    Maybe we can look towards the Boomerdämmerung for some change. I saw an interesting article in Unherd about that today:

    https://unherd.com/2024/02/king-charles-and-the-twilight-of-the-boomers/

    There are some links in that to Academic Agent's videos on the Boomer Truth Regime and its origin in WW2, possibly bringing that to a bit wider audience. I guess AA was inspired by guys like Paul Gottfried, with his ideas about the centrality of anti-fascism to the current culture.

    I also saw this post about the likely minimal impact of liberal pronatalism:

    https://postliberal.substack.com/p/the-low-fertility-trap?r=8su7h&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post&utm_source=substack

    Suggesting things will be an uphill struggle for shrinking European populations.

    Replies: @songbird

    Maybe we can look towards the Boomerdämmerung for some change

    Agree with what I heard Eric Kaufmann once say,

    [MORE]
    that political change will happen too slow to save us – that by its nature, requiring generational shift, it is too slow. Look at the number of Sinn Féin voters who oppose current immigration levels, despite the party itself being very woke: 72%! And perhaps, by the time newer parties gained traction, they would be corrupted too.

    Heard him say a few months back that the only hope to roll back woke is in the courts – though I am an institutional pessimist. I tend to think the solutions will involve new institutions rather than old.

    Am sure that the Boomers dying off will cause substantial changes though. For one thing, I believe it will get rid of the superficial faces that they put on things. Like Joe Biden or the head of NASA. They will be replaced with women or PoC.

    Not too sure it will be positive, unless in an accelerationist way.

    I also saw this post about the likely minimal impact of liberal pronatalism:

    Tend to agree that economic incentives alone won’t work. That doesn’t mean the needle can’t be moved, and moved substantially, but IMO, it requires nationalism or at least a spiritual appeal.

    Think it would be easy and proper to incentivize a mass propaganda campaign. Guess it kind of creates a sticky issue though because the question for Euro nationalists is how you do it in a particularist way. No European state seems to be willing to acknowledge that the problem is lack of European babies. I suppose even a directed propaganda campaign would have possibilities of backfiring, if others take up the message and adapt it for their group.

    But these people who say it is hopeless and that nothing will work are obviously wrong. Nobody has even tried to employ some of the cultural technology utilized in 19th century rural Ireland.

    See bottom of page 468:
    https://archive.org/details/MemoirsOfJeremiahCurtin/page/n479/mode/1up?view=theater

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @songbird


    ...that political change will happen too slow to save us – that by its nature, requiring generational shift, it is too slow.
     
    I think he is likely to be right, if you take into account the rate of change we have at the moment, and the intensity of the commitment to promoting it.



    I also don't have a lot of faith in the possibility of using the legal system to block the decolonisation stuff, because its too embedded there. A good part of its social force at the moment seems to derive from the law and judiciary.

    I guess this would only change if there was some significant change in the political mood.

    Not too sure it will be positive, unless in an accelerationist way.
     
    I can see this happening, when there will be a kind of doubling down on the progressive legacy of the boomers by the people who will be influential and in positions of power then. There should be some accelerationist effect from this, because of the dysfunction that will be connected to it. I can also see this in myself, the presence of my parents and other boomer relatives keep me more moderate, because they are still a connection to a different sort of society (there frame of reference for things is still orientated towards the 1950s, 60s and 70s).

    Think it would be easy and proper to incentivize a mass propaganda campaign. Guess it kind of creates a sticky issue though because the question for Euro nationalists is how you do it in a particularist way.
     
    The French are maybe further ahead in this, probably they are less inhibited than the Germans and there is this older progressive tradition that by contemporary standards is 'exclusionary', like a type of civic nationalism where there is so much cultural content connected to the national identity that mostly only other Euros will be prepared to adopt it. Something like the expression 'Français de souche', 'old French' or 'rooted French' (compared to someone with 'French papers') has already become fairly mainstream.

    It's still possible to connect worry about birthrates with concern for the future of the Republican heritage or national 'patrimoine' (cultural heritage) and French 'art de vivre', this was sort of happening when historically low birthrates were announced a month or two ago. Imo it's harder to imagine it being done in the UK, because the cultural heritage and values being talked about are European ones.

    Nobody has even tried to employ some of the cultural technology utilized in 19th century rural Ireland.
     
    It could be celebrated/protected as an important part of folk culture? That book is quite funny, who was the author?

    Replies: @songbird

  923. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Zaporizhian cossacks were citizens of Poland at the time, i.e. the getmanate wasn’t a state

     

    It had its own army, courts, legislature, foreign policy and ambassadors. It used Polish currency though (even after it came under Moscow). Americans were British citizens until after 1812 IIRC (it’s why Brits kidnapped American sailors and pressganged them into service).

    What exactly connects these lands [lands of Hetmanate] in anyway to Bukovina (or Galicia)? Those aren’t Cossack lands of the supposed Getmanate. Why call the people of these lands called “Ukrainians”
     
    Kiev was ruled by Galicia when the Mongols attacked. They were in one state. Galicia and central Ukraine were both together part of Poland until Khmelnytsky’s treason. One of the most important Zaporizhian hetmans, Sahaidachny, was a Galician. After Khmelnytsky’s rebellion, Galicia continued to be together with the Right Bank as part of Poland until it was split off in 1793. The Dostoyevsky family were living just a few dozen miles on the Russian side of the partition; Dostoyevsky’s grandfather was a Greek Catholic priest. Had the line been drawn a little bit differently, Dostoyevsky’s father would not have moved to Moscow and this family would probably eventually have become Ukrainian nationalists.

    In the decades following the partition of Poland, Galicia was a place of exile for Ukrainians from Russian-ruled Ukraine, so ties were maintained.

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Mr. XYZ

    Faggot, this was a discussion between me and the ACTUAL ukrop diaspora of Mr Hack. Liar scum wakjobs as yourself have nothing valid to give to this.

    So I am rejecting your “arguments” for any serious discussion.

    However I did see Dostaevsky mentioned with

    had the line been drawn differently Dostaevsky’s father would not have moved to Moscow

    Irrelevant nonsense – we know from precedence of non-achievement/failure from Uniates that if Dostaevsky became khokhol it would have made him a dodo, a non-entity, a reject, a bag of potatoes in contribution to world culture As the “king” of West Ukrainian “achievement” is the freak who invented sad-masochism and next to nothing after him – it’s a reasonable assumption . Though it makes me very proud to be Russian that genius Dostaevsky is one of us – if he wasn’t Russian it would still make Russian literature, Russian culture a beautiful gift to the world. It would be like if Michael Jordan was never a basketball player – it would not change the fact of many Americans, well American negroes, being very talented at the sport.

    His family would probably, eventually enough have become Ukrainian nationalists

    LMAO. 1934 Polish census of favela/Lvov region, self-identification of the Uniates is from memory :

    “Ukrainians”….. 550000
    Russians…………..480000

    So that’s nearly 50/50. That doesn’t even think about Talergof and Terezin mass murder in concentration camps of pro-Russian elite and others (interesting of course that ukronazi dirtbags act as Austrian cuckholds to betray and mass murder their own, before actually fighting to create any “Ukrainian” nation), a few hundred thousands leaving with the Russian retreat from Galicia in 1915, or in the disaster of living with Polish dickheads for the ukronazi’s- that it’s still more “acceptable” to self-identify as a ukrop than a Russian, the centuries repression of orthodoxy. There would also be the confusion of the term at the time.

    50/50 with no pro-Russian elite alive there for 20 years!!

    Ukrops effectively banned from living in the city of Lvov itself – just a residual amount of plankton. Even in that small number of people with the highest proportion of cuckholds….. not even 2:1 of “Ukrainians” to Russians in the census you idiot!

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Irrelevant nonsense – we know from precedence of non-achievement/failure from Uniates
     
    You are just bitter because Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs and their existence highlights your relative inferiority. As you demonstrate with each post.

    LMAO. 1934 Polish census of favela/Lvov region, self-identification of the Uniates is from memory :

    “Ukrainians”….. 550000
    Russians…………..480000
     
    Polish census included separate categories for Russians and Rusyns. The Polish nationalist state wanted to split and minimise the number of Ukrainians so if someone didn’t insist upon being a Ukrainian speaker they were marked as a Rusyn. There were also people, mostly in the western parts of the region, who considered themselves to be Ruthenians/Rusyns as a nationality.

    The Polish government actively supported the Ruthenian orientation because it was viewed as harmless compared to the Ukrainian one. So for example they renamed the Ukrainian language department at Lviv’s university into Ruthenian language.

    Here is the census:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/1931_Census_of_Poland%2C_Lwow_Voivod%2C_table_10_Ludnosc-Population-pg.32.jpg

    Out of 1.25 million Greek Catholics in Lwow province, 237,000 spoke Polish, 551,000 spoke Ukrainian, 465,000 spoke Ruthenian, and 66 spoke Russian.

    That doesn’t even think about Talergof and Terezin mass murder in concentration camps

     

    About 3,000 died in Talerhof. My great-grandfather survived it.

    Many of them were, actually, spies for the Russians or had worked with them. My great-grandfather had hosted Brusilov (or Bobrinsky) at his estate and refused to flee to Rostov when the Austrians returned, though his oldest sons escaped to Petrograd. Great-grandfather was released via intervention from a cousin in the government.

    a few hundred thousands leaving with the Russian retreat from Galicia in 1915
     
    Sovok civil “engineer” doesn’t know math. About 20,000-30,000 fled. If 100,000s were missing this massive population drop would have been reflected in later censuses.

    Ukrops effectively banned from living in the city of Lvov itself

     

    The city was about 18% Ukrainian/Greek Catholic (some of those were Polish speaking, just as many Ukrainians in Kiev speak Russian). It’s main organization headquarters was in a palace right on the main square.

    You are just sad because the Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs. Prettiest cities, least social problems, prettiest and cleanest villages.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234

  924. Find it surprising that Turkish stuff is so popular in Russia.

    https://www.rt.com/pop-culture/592182-russian-online-streaming-services-sanctions/

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @songbird


    Penalties have hasntened the demise of the Hollywood system in the country and a rejuvination of the local industry
     
    They spelled "hastened" and "rejuvenation" here wrong. Was this description edited by Serbs rather than by actual Russians lol?

    Replies: @songbird

  925. @LatW
    @Beckow


    So when the bully pays you it is ok?
     
    I didn't mean "payment" (although there is a mutual exchange of value). I was thinking more along the lines of "safety in numbers" and similar mindsets. This can probably exist even without the Brussels bureaucracy or the international banking sector. Of course, simple nationalism is ok, too, without the EU, and in some ways even preferable.

    Russia has no ideology
     
    It's true that Russia does not have a solid, overarching ideology - Russia has what they call skrepi - what can roughly be translated as "braces"( or "binders" or "staplers") - mythological concepts that are supposed to hold the nation together. But Russia is also peddling a strange mix of ideologies - a mix of Sovok myths and pseudo-imperialist ideas reminiscent of the Black Hundreds. This is not that attractive to the surrounding nations, to put it mildly. And they will soon run into contradictions by doing this - Putin's interview with Tucker already had some indications of it.

    one can’t consume them, they are a net burden on normal living standards.
     
    They are expensive, but metal is always valuable in and of itself. After the collapse of the USSR, the collection and re-sale of the so called colored metals was the number one gig in town.

    Guess what, Russia never asked us for any soldiers – you seem to be lying about it or confuse us with yourself.
     
    Under the Soviet Union (not Russia), in the event of the Cold War turning into a hot one, our fathers and grandfathers were to be sacrificed first and your fathers were kept as the reserve - to be sacrificed later, you were the kind of a second layer. It doesn't mean you were free because this was always hanging over you. To me, this alone would be a problem - to have someone else rule over me that way, to be inside the USSR - even worse.

    “Professional” is an empty term, all soldiers today are professional and get paid.
     
    Yes, they are all professional (except the National guard), but you know very well that joining a tour in Iraq or Afghanistan was absolutely voluntary. It was a choice because you could make a little bit extra money and also gain some real combat experience. And this was 20 years ago!

    What was then the famous Orange Revolution of 2004? It happens again and again – the yearning for the West
     
    They needed several tries, because they had not done it in 1989, like we did. And this is not just about aligning with the West, it is above all about their national identity - it is actually very sad that they have to go through such a heavy ordeal to get something that every nation should be entitled to.

    Replies: @Sean, @Beckow

    … Russia has…mythological concepts that are supposed to hold the nation together. But Russia is also peddling a strange mix of ideologies – a mix of Sovok myths and pseudo-imperialist ideas reminiscent of the Black Hundreds.

    US, UK, France…above all Ukraine and Poland have their own myths. I can give you examples – Hollywood Western ‘wakanda’ bullsh..t, Sarmatism, WW2 won in ‘Normandy’, etc… – but you know them yourself. All nations have their mythology.

    I don’t know what ‘pseudo-imperialist’ means to you, but not to see Western ‘imperialism’ would require a twisted mind. Black Hundreds? Is Russia celebrating pogroms? That is odd from Latvia that has Waffen SS marches. What is it about seeing a speck in other person’s eye, but not a plank in your own?

    it is actually very sad that they have to go through such a heavy ordeal to get something that every nation should be entitled to.

    I agree it is very sad – we are observing a slow destruction of the Ukie nation. They were not ‘entitled’ to oppress 30-45% of their population who didn’t care for the crazy Galician nationalism and wanted to have normal relations with Russia. It is too late now.

  926. @John Johnson
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Also: Putin did not say that the Ukraine is a fake and gay country. He did say it was artificial. Very diplomatic. I thought the history lesson was pretty cool. Also he quoted Dostoevsky.'

    I guess you thought it was cool enough to not fact check.

    Ukraine declared independence before being forced in the Soviet Union:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_War_of_Independence

    Russia swore to protect and defend the autonomy of Ukraine as part of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum

    The Russian Empire ended in 1917 as the Communists planned on eliminating all nationalities. Russia was technically a Communist area of administration and not a state from 1917-1991:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire

    The first Slavic empire was headed in Kiev:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27

    Putin ignores all of that history when giving his history talks. I can also pull a pre-war interview where he claims to have no border issues with Ukraine.

    Putin is simply full of shit. His type of historical revisionism only works when a coward like Tucker gives him a scripted interview.

    As a reminder it was Tucker that started his career by playing the "good conservative" on CNN and never dared question any liberal taboos.

    Also he quoted Dostoevsky.

    Well here is some Dostoevsky for Putin fans:

    Above all, don't lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Ukraine declared independence before being forced in the Soviet Union

    So did Catalonia, Palestine, Sub-carpathia and quite a few other places. Anyone can ‘declare’ things, without the ability to make it work it means very little.

    Russia swore to protect and defend the autonomy of Ukraine as part of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum

    They didn’t – it was a memorandum, a statement never approved by Duma or any Russian institution. But it specifically said that Ukraine will be neutral – by trying to join Nato Ukraine made the memorandum invalid. (It is in the Kiev Constitution!)

    Russia was technically a Communist area of administration and not a state from 1917-1991

    Sure, and you ‘technically’ a moron. The sci-fi infantile nonsense lowers even the other poor arguments you are making.

    The first Slavic empire was headed in Kiev

    It was called Rus, not Ukraine. Going back 1,000 years in any region will give you very weird analogies. Do you know that 1,000 years ago England was a Norman colony? US had natives running around and Spain had Moors…get real, we live in 2024.

    It looks like it is you who is lying to himself. But I can see how accepting the reality – that Ukie screwed up and are about to end up much worse – is too hard. It will take some time.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    …Ukraine declared independence before being forced in the Soviet Union
     
    So did Catalonia, Palestine, Sub-carpathia and quite a few other places. Anyone can ‘declare’ things, without the ability to make it work it means very little.

    Putin made it sound like they were created by Stalin. Ukraine was forcefully occupied by the USSR which was before Stalin took power. Not a single Soviet state joined voluntarily.

    They UN voted 143-5 that Ukraine is a state and Russia is the unjust aggressor. Putin didn't even get his pal India in on that vote. Russia and Belarus are part of the 5.


    Russia swore to protect and defend the autonomy of Ukraine as part of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum

     

    They didn’t – it was a memorandum, a statement never approved by Duma or any Russian institution.

    So everything that Putin does without Duma approval is invalid? Is that right?


    Russia was technically a Communist area of administration and not a state from 1917-1991
     
    Sure, and you ‘technically’ a moron. The sci-fi infantile nonsense lowers even the other poor arguments you are making.

    Do explain how the Russian Empire existed during the Soviet Union when the goal of Marxists was to eliminate the state itself along with nationalism.

    You are saying historians are wrong to state that the Russian Empire ended in 1917?

    USSR Republics were technically administrative regions under the Communist party in Moscow. They were not independent states that could leave at any time:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republics_of_the_Soviet_Union


    The first Slavic empire was headed in Kiev
     
    It was called Rus, not Ukraine.

    Well this Wikipedia article says you are wrong:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27#In_popular_culture

    Given your history I will assume Wikepedia is correct. Feel free to get into an edit war with them.

    Do you know that 1,000 years ago England was a Norman colony?

    Putin and other Russians leave the Kievan Rus' period out. It's quite telling just as they leave out the part of Russian princes getting on their knees likes whores for the Mongols. Or the rebellion where the Russian prince sided with the Mongols cause he wanted to keep his stuff even it meant prostrating himself.

    They had to physically prostrate themselves to show their servitude:

    https://cdni.rbth.com/rbthmedia/images/2020.06/original/5ee76c9c15e9f9031314be85.jpg

    Replies: @Beckow

  927. @Gerard1234
    @Philip Owen


    Britain successfully blockaded German ports from the first of the war onwards. Only the overland route through Iran and Russia kept Germany able to fight as vehicles and planes couldn’t be made without rubber. The SU was happy to smuggle it and provide much more from its own resource
     
    LOL - so that explains the Nazis and Italians moving half a million men and millions of tonnes of supplies, ammunition and weapons across the Mediterrenean into North Africa??! Or Norway and transport of very valuable materials out of there? WTF did you think happened in the Black Sea in WW2, and how did they get there? Baltic Sea? Cretin.
    British Navy efforts during the war should of course be praised - not overaggerated/lied about.

    Nazis had defeated Poland less than one month after Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement, i,e it had f**k all to do with implementation of Nazi war campaign against Poland............the British-created Munich agreement DID though as it gave Nazis control of the biggest industrial centre of Europe.

    Oil given by USSR was about 10% (for that less than one year) of Nazi oil supply. Any other resource was much less than even that.

    Vladimir Suzdal decided Ukraine was not part of their Russia in 1169. Kyiv was sacked for 3 days (foreigners) not one (yourown people). It hasn’t been the same country since then.
     
    Too idiotic to respond to


    Britain had no army or airforce in 1938.
     
    More nonsense

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    Venuzuelan oil, Argentinian grain and beef did not reach Germany. Supply to North Africa was difficult for the Axis despite owning the north and most of the south coast of the Mediterranean. Supplies reached Russia going past Norway.

  928. Who knows if this is accurate, but I find it quite shocking how one aspect of it matches a certain negative stereotype. (barf!)
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_pogrom

  929. @Mikhail
    Countering the usual BS is this coherent discussion factually debunking the neocon/neolib and flat out Russia hating BS:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhh0XnSnopY

    Replies: @John Johnson

    LOL Scott Ritter? Really?

    Here is Scott Ritter explaining how Ukraine is about to collapse.

    A year ago.

    Oh and the homosexual judge he is talking to was accused of raping a man.
    https://nypost.com/2020/09/11/andrew-napolitano-sexually-abused-man-in-exchange-for-light-sentence-suit/

    Some fascinating characters that line up to defend the mass murdering dwarf.

    Can’t help but notice how his top bloggers in the US are disproportionately homosexual and criminal.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    More unsubstantiated babble on your part. You're a much greater joke than Ritter, who doesn't launch pot shots as an anonymous commenter.

    Another great source:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auNyHniau5s

    Replies: @QCIC

  930. @AnonfromTN
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    The New York Times had an op-ed yesterday that Biden is unfit to continue.
     
    Corrupt senile half-corpse was never fit to run the country. Then again, he never ran it. The country is run by people nobody elected and very few know the names of. This is “democracy”, remember.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    The country is run by people nobody elected and very few know the names of.

    Trump tried to act as a real president. That is exactly what caused the wrath of those who ran the country when the previous piece of shit docilely served as a figurehead. They wanted to keep running the country, and Trump was getting in the way. Hence #nevertrump hysteria. Hence their fear that Trump is elected and acts as a real president. Hence their love of current senile puppet who is putty in their hands.

  931. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    ...Ukraine declared independence before being forced in the Soviet Union
     
    So did Catalonia, Palestine, Sub-carpathia and quite a few other places. Anyone can 'declare' things, without the ability to make it work it means very little.

    Russia swore to protect and defend the autonomy of Ukraine as part of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum
     
    They didn't - it was a memorandum, a statement never approved by Duma or any Russian institution. But it specifically said that Ukraine will be neutral - by trying to join Nato Ukraine made the memorandum invalid. (It is in the Kiev Constitution!)

    Russia was technically a Communist area of administration and not a state from 1917-1991
     
    Sure, and you 'technically' a moron. The sci-fi infantile nonsense lowers even the other poor arguments you are making.

    The first Slavic empire was headed in Kiev
     
    It was called Rus, not Ukraine. Going back 1,000 years in any region will give you very weird analogies. Do you know that 1,000 years ago England was a Norman colony? US had natives running around and Spain had Moors...get real, we live in 2024.

    It looks like it is you who is lying to himself. But I can see how accepting the reality - that Ukie screwed up and are about to end up much worse - is too hard. It will take some time.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    …Ukraine declared independence before being forced in the Soviet Union

    So did Catalonia, Palestine, Sub-carpathia and quite a few other places. Anyone can ‘declare’ things, without the ability to make it work it means very little.

    Putin made it sound like they were created by Stalin. Ukraine was forcefully occupied by the USSR which was before Stalin took power. Not a single Soviet state joined voluntarily.

    They UN voted 143-5 that Ukraine is a state and Russia is the unjust aggressor. Putin didn’t even get his pal India in on that vote. Russia and Belarus are part of the 5.

    Russia swore to protect and defend the autonomy of Ukraine as part of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum

    They didn’t – it was a memorandum, a statement never approved by Duma or any Russian institution.

    So everything that Putin does without Duma approval is invalid? Is that right?

    [MORE]

    Russia was technically a Communist area of administration and not a state from 1917-1991

    Sure, and you ‘technically’ a moron. The sci-fi infantile nonsense lowers even the other poor arguments you are making.

    Do explain how the Russian Empire existed during the Soviet Union when the goal of Marxists was to eliminate the state itself along with nationalism.

    You are saying historians are wrong to state that the Russian Empire ended in 1917?

    USSR Republics were technically administrative regions under the Communist party in Moscow. They were not independent states that could leave at any time:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republics_of_the_Soviet_Union

    The first Slavic empire was headed in Kiev

    It was called Rus, not Ukraine.

    Well this Wikipedia article says you are wrong:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27#In_popular_culture

    Given your history I will assume Wikepedia is correct. Feel free to get into an edit war with them.

    Do you know that 1,000 years ago England was a Norman colony?

    Putin and other Russians leave the Kievan Rus’ period out. It’s quite telling just as they leave out the part of Russian princes getting on their knees likes whores for the Mongols. Or the rebellion where the Russian prince sided with the Mongols cause he wanted to keep his stuff even it meant prostrating himself.

    They had to physically prostrate themselves to show their servitude:

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    So everything that Putin does without Duma approval is invalid?
     
    Budapest Memorandum was in 1994, “Putin” wasn’t around. It was an unsigned piece of paper so Russia had no obligation to follow it. It also specifically said that Ukraine will be neutral – Kiev broke that.

    NATO countries made promises repeatedly not to expand Nato – is everything their leaders say invalid?

    “Rus” is the core of the word “Russia” – it was called Rus. Ukraine was the term coined much later as Poland’s “borderland”, that’s what it means. It also applied to the western and maybe parts of the central Ukieland of today - the east and south didn't belong to it. Yes, commies attached them to Ukraine. Putin is correct, it is simply true.

    Ukies outside the Western Galicia called themselves Russians or Malo-Russians, but mostly just Orthodox or sometimes Cossacks. I have no issue with the Ukrainian identity eventually forming in the 18.-19. century, but they are very similar to Russians and Belorussians, Putin was correct.

    You on the other hand know nothing and talk only hatred and bu..hit. It only shows how desperate you are.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @sudden death

  932. @Gerard1234
    @AP

    Faggot, this was a discussion between me and the ACTUAL ukrop diaspora of Mr Hack. Liar scum wakjobs as yourself have nothing valid to give to this.

    So I am rejecting your "arguments" for any serious discussion.

    However I did see Dostaevsky mentioned with


    had the line been drawn differently Dostaevsky's father would not have moved to Moscow
     
    Irrelevant nonsense - we know from precedence of non-achievement/failure from Uniates that if Dostaevsky became khokhol it would have made him a dodo, a non-entity, a reject, a bag of potatoes in contribution to world culture As the "king" of West Ukrainian "achievement" is the freak who invented sad-masochism and next to nothing after him - it's a reasonable assumption . Though it makes me very proud to be Russian that genius Dostaevsky is one of us - if he wasn't Russian it would still make Russian literature, Russian culture a beautiful gift to the world. It would be like if Michael Jordan was never a basketball player - it would not change the fact of many Americans, well American negroes, being very talented at the sport.

    His family would probably, eventually enough have become Ukrainian nationalists
     
    LMAO. 1934 Polish census of favela/Lvov region, self-identification of the Uniates is from memory :

    "Ukrainians"..... 550000
    Russians..............480000

    So that's nearly 50/50. That doesn't even think about Talergof and Terezin mass murder in concentration camps of pro-Russian elite and others (interesting of course that ukronazi dirtbags act as Austrian cuckholds to betray and mass murder their own, before actually fighting to create any "Ukrainian" nation), a few hundred thousands leaving with the Russian retreat from Galicia in 1915, or in the disaster of living with Polish dickheads for the ukronazi's- that it's still more "acceptable" to self-identify as a ukrop than a Russian, the centuries repression of orthodoxy. There would also be the confusion of the term at the time.

    50/50 with no pro-Russian elite alive there for 20 years!!

    Ukrops effectively banned from living in the city of Lvov itself - just a residual amount of plankton. Even in that small number of people with the highest proportion of cuckholds..... not even 2:1 of "Ukrainians" to Russians in the census you idiot!

    Replies: @AP

    Irrelevant nonsense – we know from precedence of non-achievement/failure from Uniates

    You are just bitter because Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs and their existence highlights your relative inferiority. As you demonstrate with each post.

    LMAO. 1934 Polish census of favela/Lvov region, self-identification of the Uniates is from memory :

    “Ukrainians”….. 550000
    Russians…………..480000

    Polish census included separate categories for Russians and Rusyns. The Polish nationalist state wanted to split and minimise the number of Ukrainians so if someone didn’t insist upon being a Ukrainian speaker they were marked as a Rusyn. There were also people, mostly in the western parts of the region, who considered themselves to be Ruthenians/Rusyns as a nationality.

    The Polish government actively supported the Ruthenian orientation because it was viewed as harmless compared to the Ukrainian one. So for example they renamed the Ukrainian language department at Lviv’s university into Ruthenian language.

    Here is the census:

    Out of 1.25 million Greek Catholics in Lwow province, 237,000 spoke Polish, 551,000 spoke Ukrainian, 465,000 spoke Ruthenian, and 66 spoke Russian.

    That doesn’t even think about Talergof and Terezin mass murder in concentration camps

    About 3,000 died in Talerhof. My great-grandfather survived it.

    Many of them were, actually, spies for the Russians or had worked with them. My great-grandfather had hosted Brusilov (or Bobrinsky) at his estate and refused to flee to Rostov when the Austrians returned, though his oldest sons escaped to Petrograd. Great-grandfather was released via intervention from a cousin in the government.

    a few hundred thousands leaving with the Russian retreat from Galicia in 1915

    Sovok civil “engineer” doesn’t know math. About 20,000-30,000 fled. If 100,000s were missing this massive population drop would have been reflected in later censuses.

    Ukrops effectively banned from living in the city of Lvov itself

    The city was about 18% Ukrainian/Greek Catholic (some of those were Polish speaking, just as many Ukrainians in Kiev speak Russian). It’s main organization headquarters was in a palace right on the main square.

    You are just sad because the Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs. Prettiest cities, least social problems, prettiest and cleanest villages.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    You are just bitter because Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs
     
    Maybe that's why Russia wanted to annex them during WWI? Well, at least a part of the reason. To bring the best of the Eastern Slavs into the Russian fold, that is.

    The best Slavs overall would probably be Czechs. Smart, relatively industrious (especially for a Slavic people), relatively non-corrupt, and relatively highly fertile compared to other Slavs (thus being projected to avoid significant population decline during the 21st century, unlike most other Slavic countries).

    Replies: @Matra

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP


    Polish census included separate categories for Russians and Rusyns
     
    The bimbo, compulsive liar has landed!! There is no "separate category" in the way a misdirecting scumbag as yourself is claiming. There are the "Ruski" - i.e Russians, those who reject the austrian experiment of khokholism . Then there are Rossiski - i.e small number of Tsarist Francophiles who arrived in Poland from Russian Empire after Communism arrived. Actual Rusyns, those who think they are not Russian or Ukrainian, (but were usually russophile) would be mostly in Czechoslovakia you POS . It is in use of loser-fake nations to have this ambiguity.

    Ruski - Russians, those who think people of Rostov, Pskov, Moscow, Novgorod, Tver as same people as them in Galicia ( and don't believe in the idiotic fake of "Galicia heir to Kievan rus" clown BS) and on the language issue always viewed it as the same language as in the Russian empire - a dialect of it, with the literary language being the same. Many of them would probably convert to Orthodoxy in a second if given the chance.

    USSR was not even recognised as a country by most places around the world when the census was conducted you idiot, very unclear if anybody then would consider USSR as Russian like they would 20 years later. Or it they considered Ukrainian SSR as "Ukrainian". Ruski was the only option listed on all the other census before in this region.

    Out of 1.25 million Greek Catholics in Lwow province, 237,000 spoke Polish, 551,000 spoke Ukrainian, 465,000 spoke Ruthenian, and 66 spoke Russian.
     
    In addition to a tramp as yourself never visiting or being able to speak a word of Russian, Polish, Ukrainian......the bimbo you are is too thick to understand that Ruthenian and Russian are the same thing here, with the "Ruski"/Ruthenian - the term more familiar to them.........and the non-identification as "Ukrainian" being critical itself you stupid dickhead. You that much of a serial liar/serial dumbf**k to think 60 people is the likely number of those thinking they are Russian?!!! Hilarious.

    The Polish government actively supported the Ruthenian orientation because it was viewed as harmless compared to the Ukrainian one.
     
    Amusing, instantaneous BS. A total lie.

    So for example they renamed the Ukrainian language department at Lviv’s university into Ruthenian language.
     
    All Ukrainian university departments were shut down in the 1920's . "Little Pole" was also a common name given to ukrops by them. Ukrainians were banned from entering the Universities - except in circumstances of being total cuckhold to the Poles and swearing some special oath. All very confusing with a Ukrainian SSR bordering Poland on what names to use. But either way it just an irrelevant semantic name change if it happened (which I doubt). They banned teaching in mova and about mova - and that is what is relevant. The banning of "Ukrainian" did not mean some promotion and teaching of a mythical "Ruthenian" language you imbecilic misdirecting liar POS!!! (WTF is wrong with you?) The small number of Orthodox Churches were shutdown also.

    Going on to a subject you also know f**k all about as have never visited ( the city of Lvov) ;

    Armenian street in Lvov - Armenians used to live there
    Serbian street in Lvov - Serbians lived there
    Ruska street - Russians, those who think people of Rostov, Pskov, Moscow, Novgorod, Tver as same people as them , lived there
    "Ukrainian" street in Lvov..........not there.

    Sovok civil “engineer” doesn’t know math. About 20,000-30,000 fled. If 100,000s were missing this massive population drop would have been reflected in later censuses.

     

    Information I have is 100k-200k. Could be 25000 - but either way anything you claim has zero credibility to it

    The city was about 18% Ukrainian/Greek Catholic (some of those were Polish speaking, just as many Ukrainians in Kiev speak Russian)
     
    7.5%, idiot, for reasons listed above - clearly the Russian self-defined I am not going to class as "Ukrainian". Maximum it would then be is 12.5%. Totally ethnic Poles being Uniates was certainly not zero, Armenians, as in Russian empire Polish-speaking Jews forced conversion to or pretending to be Christians......either way, ukrops distinct outsiders in their own "national centre".


    About 3,000 died in Talerhof. My great-grandfather survived it.

    Many of them were, actually, spies for the Russians or had worked with them. My great-grandfather had hosted Brusilov (or Bobrinsky) at his estate and refused to flee to Rostov when the Austrians returned, though his oldest sons escaped to Petrograd. Great-grandfather was released via intervention from a cousin in the government.
     
    That's as believable as myself being the first cosmonaut to visit Neptune. You're a liar and a disturbed fantasist. Again, its quite sickening that the internet produces such wakjobs. On Talergof - estimates vary but its still mass murder, still evil events that had big historical effects on the region and influenced it heavily for decades after that, even now. Number who died there could easily be 10000+. 60000+ the claimed number of Russophiles could have been killed in the region during that period.
    Then the issue is the 400-half a million who left during the disaster of living in Polish cesspit - where did they leave and what allegiance would they majority be to?Anybody who did not go to Czechoslovakia, most likely Russian Galician not Ukronazi.

    You are just sad because the Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs. Prettiest cities, least social problems, prettiest and cleanest villages.
     
    Self-evident idiocy. And you have never been to make any comparison. The nearest public toilet to the Hermitage in one month gets more foreign tourists than Lvov or Ivano-Frankovsk gets in 1o years you stupid prick. Nowhere near as good looking as the Russian cities. Villages - you are clueless to make comparison. Anyway you have no idea that traditional houses in Ukrainian villages are very similar/same to south Russian ones - internally and the building. Galician ones have zero connection to them and are closer in look to "North " Russian ones - though built worse. They have the lowest urban populations - they certainly dont have the least social problems you ridiculous retard.

    Replies: @AP

  933. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Zaporizhian cossacks were citizens of Poland at the time, i.e. the getmanate wasn’t a state

     

    It had its own army, courts, legislature, foreign policy and ambassadors. It used Polish currency though (even after it came under Moscow). Americans were British citizens until after 1812 IIRC (it’s why Brits kidnapped American sailors and pressganged them into service).

    What exactly connects these lands [lands of Hetmanate] in anyway to Bukovina (or Galicia)? Those aren’t Cossack lands of the supposed Getmanate. Why call the people of these lands called “Ukrainians”
     
    Kiev was ruled by Galicia when the Mongols attacked. They were in one state. Galicia and central Ukraine were both together part of Poland until Khmelnytsky’s treason. One of the most important Zaporizhian hetmans, Sahaidachny, was a Galician. After Khmelnytsky’s rebellion, Galicia continued to be together with the Right Bank as part of Poland until it was split off in 1793. The Dostoyevsky family were living just a few dozen miles on the Russian side of the partition; Dostoyevsky’s grandfather was a Greek Catholic priest. Had the line been drawn a little bit differently, Dostoyevsky’s father would not have moved to Moscow and this family would probably eventually have become Ukrainian nationalists.

    In the decades following the partition of Poland, Galicia was a place of exile for Ukrainians from Russian-ruled Ukraine, so ties were maintained.

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Mr. XYZ

    Americans were British citizens until after 1812 IIRC (it’s why Brits kidnapped American sailors and pressganged them into service).

    I thought that the Brits did this simply because they could? Not because Americans kept their British citizenship post-US independence. Algerians didn’t keep their French citizenship after 1962, for instance. Neither did Irish people (excluding the Northern Irish people) keep their British citizenship after 1922.

  934. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Irrelevant nonsense – we know from precedence of non-achievement/failure from Uniates
     
    You are just bitter because Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs and their existence highlights your relative inferiority. As you demonstrate with each post.

    LMAO. 1934 Polish census of favela/Lvov region, self-identification of the Uniates is from memory :

    “Ukrainians”….. 550000
    Russians…………..480000
     
    Polish census included separate categories for Russians and Rusyns. The Polish nationalist state wanted to split and minimise the number of Ukrainians so if someone didn’t insist upon being a Ukrainian speaker they were marked as a Rusyn. There were also people, mostly in the western parts of the region, who considered themselves to be Ruthenians/Rusyns as a nationality.

    The Polish government actively supported the Ruthenian orientation because it was viewed as harmless compared to the Ukrainian one. So for example they renamed the Ukrainian language department at Lviv’s university into Ruthenian language.

    Here is the census:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/1931_Census_of_Poland%2C_Lwow_Voivod%2C_table_10_Ludnosc-Population-pg.32.jpg

    Out of 1.25 million Greek Catholics in Lwow province, 237,000 spoke Polish, 551,000 spoke Ukrainian, 465,000 spoke Ruthenian, and 66 spoke Russian.

    That doesn’t even think about Talergof and Terezin mass murder in concentration camps

     

    About 3,000 died in Talerhof. My great-grandfather survived it.

    Many of them were, actually, spies for the Russians or had worked with them. My great-grandfather had hosted Brusilov (or Bobrinsky) at his estate and refused to flee to Rostov when the Austrians returned, though his oldest sons escaped to Petrograd. Great-grandfather was released via intervention from a cousin in the government.

    a few hundred thousands leaving with the Russian retreat from Galicia in 1915
     
    Sovok civil “engineer” doesn’t know math. About 20,000-30,000 fled. If 100,000s were missing this massive population drop would have been reflected in later censuses.

    Ukrops effectively banned from living in the city of Lvov itself

     

    The city was about 18% Ukrainian/Greek Catholic (some of those were Polish speaking, just as many Ukrainians in Kiev speak Russian). It’s main organization headquarters was in a palace right on the main square.

    You are just sad because the Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs. Prettiest cities, least social problems, prettiest and cleanest villages.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234

    You are just bitter because Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs

    Maybe that’s why Russia wanted to annex them during WWI? Well, at least a part of the reason. To bring the best of the Eastern Slavs into the Russian fold, that is.

    The best Slavs overall would probably be Czechs. Smart, relatively industrious (especially for a Slavic people), relatively non-corrupt, and relatively highly fertile compared to other Slavs (thus being projected to avoid significant population decline during the 21st century, unlike most other Slavic countries).

    • Replies: @Matra
    @Mr. XYZ


    e best Slavs overall would probably be Czechs. Smart, relatively industrious (especially for a Slavic people), relatively non-corrupt
     
    Based on my recent, though admittedly brief, trip to Slovenia I think they are #1 in the Slav world. Basically, from an outside perspective, they are southern Germans who speak a Slavic language. And unlike Prague, with its dirty streets and shifty, thieving business owners, the locals in Ljubljana have well-maintained streets and buildings and come across as orderly and high trust-oriented. I can see why they were a bad fit for YugoSloboSlavia.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP, @Beckow

  935. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    You are about as qualified to talk about “Russian mentality” as you are about “Ukrainian” mentality or knee replacement surgery or any branch of medical science as you know absolute ZERO about it.
     
    Of the two of us only you lie about your background.

    But Russian political culture only understands master and slave. The “vassal” must serve blindly – so, he s not really a vassal. Russia had a different political legacy.

    This is amusingly dumb nonsense is regurgitation of other failed Sovietologists imbecilic “theories” like Pipes or the abnormally ugly bitch Applebaum

     

    Or Russians themselves?

    Did Anne Applebaum invent the slogan "Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality?"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodoxy,_Autocracy,_and_Nationality

    She is British, isn't she? You are some kind of loser in her country. How do you feel about that?

    The Russian historian Vernadsky claimed Ukraine's democratic ways was a vestige of Rus, that was preserved in lands not as influenced by the Mongol overlords and teachers. I think it rather came from the Poles, the Zaporizhian government was after all based on Polish model, they referenced Polish Sarmatism, and they even used Polish as a language of command.

    Russian political culture is the extremely democratic Zemsky Sobor,
     
    And the khan had the kurultai, and Stalin had a Politburo. So?

    Tsar’s power always restrained with the Boyars
     
    On the contrary. The Galician kingdom had strong powers by the boyars (they even poisoned one of their kings and elected one of their own boyars as leader), Novgorod had a sort of democracy, Suzdal (from which Russia emerged) was an autocracy in which the boyars were relatively powerless in comparison to the ruler.

    frequent rebellions
     
    That were often rather weak, and were crushed because the Tsar was powerful enough to do so. When the Khan dies, civil wars and revolts are possible.

    3 big revolutions in 100 years
     
    Only one real one (1917) - and naturally led and dominated by non-Russians. They would replace the previous non-Russians ruling over the Slavs and would rule over the Slavs themselves. No more Rurikids (Norsemen) or Germans (Romanovs, Baltic Germans) - it came time for Caucasians, Jews and Latvians to rule over the Russians. 1990 was just a reorganization by Soviet elites.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    Only one real one (1917) – and naturally led and dominated by non-Russians.

    Wasn’t the February Revolution, unlike the November Revolution (coup, really), led by Russians? I seem to recall ethnic Russians being strongly represented in the Russian Provisional Government, no?

    Seems like the SRs were the ethnic Russian party in the 1910s, unlike the more multicultural Bolsheviks. Which would probably help explain why an SR-led Russia, even if it would have become a dictatorship, would have been better for ethnic Russians than Bolshevik rule was for them in real life.

    For all of the criticism of the US’s regime change wars, Russia 1919 was actually a golden time for the US to pursue a real regime change war had the US actually had the political will for this. Would have likely been extremely beneficial to Russia. Though conquering and pacifying the Russian cities, unlike the Russian countryside, might have proven to be problematic. Though by 1919 the Russian cities were rapidly depopulating due to Bolshevik misrule (the NEP wasn’t actually implemented yet). So, capturing and holding them might have been less of a problem for the Americans and their SR Russian allies than one might think.

  936. @Beckow
    @AP


    None of these peoples dislike one another nearly as much...Russians.
     
    How could anyone know? Do you have some sort of "hatred index" that an objective NGO paid by Western governments maintains? Nonsense, neighbouring nations often dislike each other - it is not measurable and changes over time. In my experience the deepest hatred is of Koreans for Japs and Irish for English, but it is also only shallow impression.

    What would be the Polish attitude toward Russians in 1946? They were just saved from extermination...but given the Poles are the most ungrateful chujova rasa I wouldn't expect much.


    ...you sank relative to
     
    "Relative" means nothing, we quadrupled our living standards in 40 years...it is like arguing that Gates is a 'relative' failure because Musk is even richer.

    leaders of the Slovak volunteers were predominantly Protestant, which led to difficulties in eliciting support in regions with a catholic Slovak majority
     
    There were 6,000 volunteers and 10k total participants - the wiki is often nonsense, manipulated 'history' by those who care a lot, in this case probably Magyars living in US. You can go to the Myjava museum and see the names of the 6k, it is true that majority were Protestants and there were many volunteers from Morava. Croats did better, but in any case the Magyar nationalist madness was put down for a generation. Then it started again and we had to do it again. The Galicians should learn that's how it works...

    Replies: @AP

    None of these peoples dislike one another nearly as much…Russians.

    How could anyone know? Do you have some sort of “hatred index” that an objective NGO paid by Western governments maintains?

    You might pretend surveys don’t count but polls consistently place Russians are the most disliked nation and Russia the most disliked country in all the areas the border Russia, other than Belarus which itself is Russified.

    If you don’t like Poles, election results show the same thing: anti-Russian parties do well.

    What would be the Polish attitude toward Russians in 1946? They were just saved from extermination

    They were saved from extermination and forced into servitude.

    We know that you, a natural lackey, would not see that as a problem. You welcome servitude, it comes naturally to you. Nazis, Commies, Magyars – you eagerly do what you are told. Others do not share your instincts.

    Nor were the Poles even saved as a result of any kindness or decency. The Soviets were allies of the Nazis, after all. Hitler attacked the Soviets first. Soviets fought back, and happened to enslave the Poles along the way.

    If Hitler had not attacked his Soviet allies the Soviets would have done nothing as the Poles were exterminated.

    The real lack of gratitude is of the Soviets for the Poles, for refusing a Nazi alliance that would have sealed the fate of the Eastern Slavs. The Poles did it out of stubbornness and pride, not out of love for Russians and Ukrainians, but nevetherless their refusal to be partners of the Nazis (as Slovaks were) made the existence of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples possible. Poles, after all, have an excellent record of fighting Russians. When they fight as a state they beat the Russians more than they lose. The last time they fought them they defeated them, in 1921. Stalin was smart to wait until the Germans mostly defeated Poland before moving his forces westward.

    …you sank relative to

    “Relative” means nothing, we quadrupled our living standards in 40 years

    While everyone else did even more. You fell behind and became poorer than the non-commies.

    it is like arguing that Gates is a ‘relative’ failure because Musk is even richer.

    Lol, you were like neither Musk nor Gates.

    Materially you became about as poor as persecuted Blacks in an American ghetto. But you were richer than your grandparents. As were they. Congratulations. I suppose as a natural servant that was good enough for you.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    The real lack of gratitude is of the Soviets for the Poles, for refusing a Nazi alliance that would have sealed the fate of the Eastern Slavs. The Poles did it out of stubbornness and pride, not out of love for Russians and Ukrainians, but nevetherless their refusal to be partners of the Nazis (as Slovaks were) made the existence of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples possible. Poles, after all, have an excellent record of fighting Russians. When they fight as a state they beat the Russians more than they lose. The last time they fought them they defeated them, in 1921. Stalin was smart to wait until the Germans mostly defeated Poland before moving his forces westward.
     
    It's also possible that if the Nazis, either with or without Polish help, had successfully conquered most or all of the Soviet Union, they would have subsequently had to deal with a Kosovo 1980s-style situation indefinitely. This would have been a huge headache for them, such as due to the need to permanently garrison the newly conquered territories with huge numbers of troops, though it would have also produced huge gains for them by securing a lot of extra space, farmland, and natural resources for them.

    (Had the Anglo-French stood aside while the Nazis conquered the USSR, either with or without the Poles, then the odds of having the Nazis commit mass murder in the East would have also been less since Hitler would have likely still wanted to preserve semi-normal relations with the West. But of course mass deportations of Jews, Roma, et cetera to Siberia, Central Asia, et cetera would likely occur instead as an alternative to the Holocaust, which admittedly would still be better (perhaps even much better) than the Holocaust for these specific groups.)

    Similar logic, of course, has been used by people like Philippe Lemoine (@phl43 on Twitter) to justify having the West abandon Ukraine (or not having the West support Ukraine in the first place): As in, the idea that having Russia deal with a Kosovo 1980s-style situation indefinitely in Ukraine will eventually convince Russia to withdraw from Ukraine anyway, at much less cost in Ukrainian (and Russian) lives. Frankly, I'm not convinced by his logic here, but if one is actually serious about embracing his logic, one could have also embraced it in the Nazis-successfully-conquer-the-USSR scenario above. After all, it's not exactly easy to deport--or to kill--tens of millions of people or more, so the Nazis would have been stuck with a gigantic Austria-Hungary-style Slavic integration problem indefinitely.

    , @Beckow
    @AP

    You like to parade how stupid you are...amusing how low US educational standards must be.


    If Hitler had not attacked his Soviet allies the Soviets would have done nothing as the Poles were exterminated.
     
    Maybe next time? Russia won't sacrifice half a million soldiers so the Poles can live twice.

    If Germany had not attacked France and UK they would do the same. And what is this "Hitler" personification of the war? It was Germany, why are you running away from it?

    Your made-up history is nonsense. Deal with reality: Russia defeated Germany in WW2. Period. You sound like a retarded video-game addict with all the "what-ifs"...always the same nationalist Polo-Ukie fantasy based on making up things. And always "killing" more Russians.


    you became about as poor as persecuted Blacks in an American ghetto
     
    Riiight....and that would be why? Because they had more TV sets or shoes? You are literally retarded when it comes to understanding quality of life: work, education, vacations, health care, housing, safety, etc...Yeah, 1980's Prague or Budapest was just like "Haarlem"...are you really that stupid? Or just desperate? Maybe just hiding your own dirt.

    Replies: @AP

  937. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    You are just bitter because Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs
     
    Maybe that's why Russia wanted to annex them during WWI? Well, at least a part of the reason. To bring the best of the Eastern Slavs into the Russian fold, that is.

    The best Slavs overall would probably be Czechs. Smart, relatively industrious (especially for a Slavic people), relatively non-corrupt, and relatively highly fertile compared to other Slavs (thus being projected to avoid significant population decline during the 21st century, unlike most other Slavic countries).

    Replies: @Matra

    e best Slavs overall would probably be Czechs. Smart, relatively industrious (especially for a Slavic people), relatively non-corrupt

    Based on my recent, though admittedly brief, trip to Slovenia I think they are #1 in the Slav world. Basically, from an outside perspective, they are southern Germans who speak a Slavic language. And unlike Prague, with its dirty streets and shifty, thieving business owners, the locals in Ljubljana have well-maintained streets and buildings and come across as orderly and high trust-oriented. I can see why they were a bad fit for YugoSloboSlavia.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Matra

    I would rate Slovenes as the second-best Slavs overall, after Czechs. I'd have rated them equally to Czechs but Slovenes don't breed as much as Czechs do.

    Also, aren't most business owners in Prague either Czechs or Vietnamese? Are they really worse than Slovene business owners are?

    Ultimately, what this shows is that the Slavs who had the greatest exposure to German rule, specifically the Czechs and the Slovenes, are the best Slavs in the entire Slavic world. Slavs who were under German rule less frequently, such as the Slavs in western and southern Poland, are still in better shape than the Slavs who weren't ruled by Germans at all (other than during the World Wars), but even so, the impression that I get is that even western and southern Poland are not quite as good as Czechia and Slovenia are. Overall, Poland fares slightly worse on corruption than Czechia and Slovenia do and its total fertility rate is much lower than that of both Czechia and Slovenia.

    There is specific research on the fact that a legacy of Hapsburg rule appears to have been good for an area in fostering increased trust and reducing corruption:

    https://docs.iza.org/dp5584.pdf

    Of course, the fact that these effects are still visible almost a century after the Hapsburgs were overthrown (this research was published in 2011) suggests that continued Hapsburg rule is not necessary to sustain this once it is already implemented.

    , @AP
    @Matra


    unlike Prague, with its dirty streets and shifty, thieving business owners
     
    So Prague is more like Budapest than it is like Lviv or Polish cities?

    Replies: @Matra, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Beckow
    @Matra


    ...unlike Prague, with its dirty streets and shifty, thieving business owners, the locals in Ljubljana have well-maintained streets and buildings and come across as orderly
     
    Ljubljana is a small very underwhelming town. I am not sure how much they steal, I didn't stay long enough. But it felt like a wanna-be, underdeveloped, orderly, small city. A second-tier city like Klagenfurt or Plzen.

    Prague is an actual metropolis with great infrastructure: subway, streetcars, restaurants, hotels, trains...it has recent migrants, mainly Ukies and too many American-British-Dutch tourists of color - one can barely find a white one among the younger ones, but the retirees are almost all white.

    You are right about the Prague business owners, they cheat because they can - the tourists keep on coming like sheep to the slaughter. It is the same in Italy, Paris, London, Greece. If Ljubljana ever rises to be an attraction the same will happen. I wouldn't generalize too much, although big-city Czechs can be dicks, we are not sure why...:)

    Replies: @WS, @Emil Nikola Richard

  938. Tolkien had interesting opinions on Disney.

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    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Pamela Travers detested the Mary Poppins movie. The British think Americans are tacky. Americans return the favor by disdain for British snobs. I have always thought the Mary Poppins movie was Walt's greatest achievement. He made a bunch of people happy, but he was not a happy man.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG6O4N3wxf8

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Although I can understand Tolkien's dissatisfaction with Disney, especially after watching this clip, I grew up in the era when Disney's classic films were being made and loved watching them. Of course they're nothing like that anymore, and Tolkien's disgust with the Disney studios would have no doubt grown exponentially with the faire being churned out today. Tolkien probably didn't like Cinerama's extravaganza "The Wonderful World of the Brother's Grimm" too, but I loved watching it, especially on the super large screen that was especially developed for this type of film. There was something magical and funny about watching Buddy Hackett engage in combat with a giant dragon:

    https://youtu.be/hiASEIz3qrg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @songbird

  939. @Matra
    @Mr. XYZ


    e best Slavs overall would probably be Czechs. Smart, relatively industrious (especially for a Slavic people), relatively non-corrupt
     
    Based on my recent, though admittedly brief, trip to Slovenia I think they are #1 in the Slav world. Basically, from an outside perspective, they are southern Germans who speak a Slavic language. And unlike Prague, with its dirty streets and shifty, thieving business owners, the locals in Ljubljana have well-maintained streets and buildings and come across as orderly and high trust-oriented. I can see why they were a bad fit for YugoSloboSlavia.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP, @Beckow

    I would rate Slovenes as the second-best Slavs overall, after Czechs. I’d have rated them equally to Czechs but Slovenes don’t breed as much as Czechs do.

    Also, aren’t most business owners in Prague either Czechs or Vietnamese? Are they really worse than Slovene business owners are?

    Ultimately, what this shows is that the Slavs who had the greatest exposure to German rule, specifically the Czechs and the Slovenes, are the best Slavs in the entire Slavic world. Slavs who were under German rule less frequently, such as the Slavs in western and southern Poland, are still in better shape than the Slavs who weren’t ruled by Germans at all (other than during the World Wars), but even so, the impression that I get is that even western and southern Poland are not quite as good as Czechia and Slovenia are. Overall, Poland fares slightly worse on corruption than Czechia and Slovenia do and its total fertility rate is much lower than that of both Czechia and Slovenia.

    There is specific research on the fact that a legacy of Hapsburg rule appears to have been good for an area in fostering increased trust and reducing corruption:

    https://docs.iza.org/dp5584.pdf

    Of course, the fact that these effects are still visible almost a century after the Hapsburgs were overthrown (this research was published in 2011) suggests that continued Hapsburg rule is not necessary to sustain this once it is already implemented.

  940. @AP
    @Beckow


    None of these peoples dislike one another nearly as much…Russians.

    How could anyone know? Do you have some sort of “hatred index” that an objective NGO paid by Western governments maintains?
     
    You might pretend surveys don't count but polls consistently place Russians are the most disliked nation and Russia the most disliked country in all the areas the border Russia, other than Belarus which itself is Russified.

    If you don't like Poles, election results show the same thing: anti-Russian parties do well.

    What would be the Polish attitude toward Russians in 1946? They were just saved from extermination
     
    They were saved from extermination and forced into servitude.

    We know that you, a natural lackey, would not see that as a problem. You welcome servitude, it comes naturally to you. Nazis, Commies, Magyars - you eagerly do what you are told. Others do not share your instincts.

    Nor were the Poles even saved as a result of any kindness or decency. The Soviets were allies of the Nazis, after all. Hitler attacked the Soviets first. Soviets fought back, and happened to enslave the Poles along the way.

    If Hitler had not attacked his Soviet allies the Soviets would have done nothing as the Poles were exterminated.

    The real lack of gratitude is of the Soviets for the Poles, for refusing a Nazi alliance that would have sealed the fate of the Eastern Slavs. The Poles did it out of stubbornness and pride, not out of love for Russians and Ukrainians, but nevetherless their refusal to be partners of the Nazis (as Slovaks were) made the existence of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples possible. Poles, after all, have an excellent record of fighting Russians. When they fight as a state they beat the Russians more than they lose. The last time they fought them they defeated them, in 1921. Stalin was smart to wait until the Germans mostly defeated Poland before moving his forces westward.

    …you sank relative to

    “Relative” means nothing, we quadrupled our living standards in 40 years
     
    While everyone else did even more. You fell behind and became poorer than the non-commies.

    it is like arguing that Gates is a ‘relative’ failure because Musk is even richer.
     
    Lol, you were like neither Musk nor Gates.

    Materially you became about as poor as persecuted Blacks in an American ghetto. But you were richer than your grandparents. As were they. Congratulations. I suppose as a natural servant that was good enough for you.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    The real lack of gratitude is of the Soviets for the Poles, for refusing a Nazi alliance that would have sealed the fate of the Eastern Slavs. The Poles did it out of stubbornness and pride, not out of love for Russians and Ukrainians, but nevetherless their refusal to be partners of the Nazis (as Slovaks were) made the existence of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples possible. Poles, after all, have an excellent record of fighting Russians. When they fight as a state they beat the Russians more than they lose. The last time they fought them they defeated them, in 1921. Stalin was smart to wait until the Germans mostly defeated Poland before moving his forces westward.

    It’s also possible that if the Nazis, either with or without Polish help, had successfully conquered most or all of the Soviet Union, they would have subsequently had to deal with a Kosovo 1980s-style situation indefinitely. This would have been a huge headache for them, such as due to the need to permanently garrison the newly conquered territories with huge numbers of troops, though it would have also produced huge gains for them by securing a lot of extra space, farmland, and natural resources for them.

    (Had the Anglo-French stood aside while the Nazis conquered the USSR, either with or without the Poles, then the odds of having the Nazis commit mass murder in the East would have also been less since Hitler would have likely still wanted to preserve semi-normal relations with the West. But of course mass deportations of Jews, Roma, et cetera to Siberia, Central Asia, et cetera would likely occur instead as an alternative to the Holocaust, which admittedly would still be better (perhaps even much better) than the Holocaust for these specific groups.)

    Similar logic, of course, has been used by people like Philippe Lemoine (@phl43 on Twitter) to justify having the West abandon Ukraine (or not having the West support Ukraine in the first place): As in, the idea that having Russia deal with a Kosovo 1980s-style situation indefinitely in Ukraine will eventually convince Russia to withdraw from Ukraine anyway, at much less cost in Ukrainian (and Russian) lives. Frankly, I’m not convinced by his logic here, but if one is actually serious about embracing his logic, one could have also embraced it in the Nazis-successfully-conquer-the-USSR scenario above. After all, it’s not exactly easy to deport–or to kill–tens of millions of people or more, so the Nazis would have been stuck with a gigantic Austria-Hungary-style Slavic integration problem indefinitely.

  941. @songbird
    Tolkien had interesting opinions on Disney.
    https://youtu.be/RwxHMWZBMSI?si=gkWiX-pOW_38Qrla

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    Pamela Travers detested the Mary Poppins movie. The British think Americans are tacky. Americans return the favor by disdain for British snobs. I have always thought the Mary Poppins movie was Walt’s greatest achievement. He made a bunch of people happy, but he was not a happy man.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Kind of sad and funny how they never had an English chimneysweep, but went straight from Dick Van Dyke to that Puerto Rican guy.

    But I guess it wasn't specifically a prejudice. Haley Mills was in how many Disney films? And it's really bizarre because at least in most of them, she is suppose to be American, but clearly has an English accent. Imagine if you had twin daughters (Parent Trap) and they both had English accents though you had never set foot in England, and the daughters had been separated soon after birth, that would be pretty freaky.

    I think there is some merit in what Tolkien says, though I did enjoy Darby O'Gill, even though it was bastardized folklore.

  942. @songbird
    Find it surprising that Turkish stuff is so popular in Russia.

    https://www.rt.com/pop-culture/592182-russian-online-streaming-services-sanctions/

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Penalties have hasntened the demise of the Hollywood system in the country and a rejuvination of the local industry

    They spelled “hastened” and “rejuvenation” here wrong. Was this description edited by Serbs rather than by actual Russians lol?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. XYZ

    Find it kind of amusing how they have the lifetime rights for T2, which was actually released before the USSR broke up and must have seemed like an extreme, over-awing technical feat and been a major propaganda victory for America.

    But really I suppose it doesn't have much to do with the film directly, and probably a lot more to do with the timeline, and the desire to get a foot in the door.

    Kind of weird to consider how the major studios pulled all their rights, when they have always been a propaganda vehicle, and are undoubtedly less good at that now than ever before.

  943. @AP
    @Beckow


    None of these peoples dislike one another nearly as much…Russians.

    How could anyone know? Do you have some sort of “hatred index” that an objective NGO paid by Western governments maintains?
     
    You might pretend surveys don't count but polls consistently place Russians are the most disliked nation and Russia the most disliked country in all the areas the border Russia, other than Belarus which itself is Russified.

    If you don't like Poles, election results show the same thing: anti-Russian parties do well.

    What would be the Polish attitude toward Russians in 1946? They were just saved from extermination
     
    They were saved from extermination and forced into servitude.

    We know that you, a natural lackey, would not see that as a problem. You welcome servitude, it comes naturally to you. Nazis, Commies, Magyars - you eagerly do what you are told. Others do not share your instincts.

    Nor were the Poles even saved as a result of any kindness or decency. The Soviets were allies of the Nazis, after all. Hitler attacked the Soviets first. Soviets fought back, and happened to enslave the Poles along the way.

    If Hitler had not attacked his Soviet allies the Soviets would have done nothing as the Poles were exterminated.

    The real lack of gratitude is of the Soviets for the Poles, for refusing a Nazi alliance that would have sealed the fate of the Eastern Slavs. The Poles did it out of stubbornness and pride, not out of love for Russians and Ukrainians, but nevetherless their refusal to be partners of the Nazis (as Slovaks were) made the existence of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples possible. Poles, after all, have an excellent record of fighting Russians. When they fight as a state they beat the Russians more than they lose. The last time they fought them they defeated them, in 1921. Stalin was smart to wait until the Germans mostly defeated Poland before moving his forces westward.

    …you sank relative to

    “Relative” means nothing, we quadrupled our living standards in 40 years
     
    While everyone else did even more. You fell behind and became poorer than the non-commies.

    it is like arguing that Gates is a ‘relative’ failure because Musk is even richer.
     
    Lol, you were like neither Musk nor Gates.

    Materially you became about as poor as persecuted Blacks in an American ghetto. But you were richer than your grandparents. As were they. Congratulations. I suppose as a natural servant that was good enough for you.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    You like to parade how stupid you are…amusing how low US educational standards must be.

    If Hitler had not attacked his Soviet allies the Soviets would have done nothing as the Poles were exterminated.

    Maybe next time? Russia won’t sacrifice half a million soldiers so the Poles can live twice.

    If Germany had not attacked France and UK they would do the same. And what is this “Hitler” personification of the war? It was Germany, why are you running away from it?

    Your made-up history is nonsense. Deal with reality: Russia defeated Germany in WW2. Period. You sound like a retarded video-game addict with all the “what-ifs”…always the same nationalist Polo-Ukie fantasy based on making up things. And always “killing” more Russians.

    you became about as poor as persecuted Blacks in an American ghetto

    Riiight….and that would be why? Because they had more TV sets or shoes? You are literally retarded when it comes to understanding quality of life: work, education, vacations, health care, housing, safety, etc…Yeah, 1980’s Prague or Budapest was just like “Haarlem”…are you really that stupid? Or just desperate? Maybe just hiding your own dirt.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Your made-up history is nonsense. Deal with reality: Russia defeated Germany in WW2
     
    Lol.

    Uneducated moron doesn’t even know the difference between Russia and the USSR.

    “Russia” did not defeat Germany. Russians were about half the population of a country that defeated Germany.

    Dmitry stated the obvious, that even 10 year old have learned this. But you have not. Poor educational system?


    If Germany had not attacked France and UK they would do the same [do nothing as Germany murdered Poles]
     
    Maybe. So? At least they would not have been allies, as Soviets were.

    you became about as poor as persecuted Blacks in an American ghetto

    Riiight….and that would be why? Because they had more TV sets or shoes
     

    And cars, etc.

    I wrote materially. Do you know what that means?


    You are literally retarded when it comes to understanding quality of life: work, education, vacations, health care, housing, safety,
     
    I wasn’t discussing it. You can’t tell the difference? We know from PISA that Slovaks do r read very well.

    You are the one who brought up “quadrupled living standards.” Education and safety did not “quadruple.” Money did. And by that standard you underperformed. You were about as poor as persecuted Blacks in the American ghetto. Who also got free healthcare, that was probably better then yours.

    Now you want to change the subject to stuff that exists independently of socialism like street crime or appreciation for literature and theatre. Yes, poor Czechs lived more pleasantly than richer Blacks in American ghettos. So?


    Yeah, 1980’s Prague or Budapest was just like “Haarlem
     
    They were probably poorer. Communism didn’t make Prague or Budapest safer (they were safe before and after) but it made them much poorer than non-Commie places. Pathetically so.

    Replies: @Beckow

  944. @Mr. XYZ
    @songbird


    Penalties have hasntened the demise of the Hollywood system in the country and a rejuvination of the local industry
     
    They spelled "hastened" and "rejuvenation" here wrong. Was this description edited by Serbs rather than by actual Russians lol?

    Replies: @songbird

    Find it kind of amusing how they have the lifetime rights for T2, which was actually released before the USSR broke up and must have seemed like an extreme, over-awing technical feat and been a major propaganda victory for America.

    But really I suppose it doesn’t have much to do with the film directly, and probably a lot more to do with the timeline, and the desire to get a foot in the door.

    Kind of weird to consider how the major studios pulled all their rights, when they have always been a propaganda vehicle, and are undoubtedly less good at that now than ever before.

  945. @German_reader
    @silviosilver

    You're completely right, I have similar feelings. I've always been pessimistic, but still couldn't have imagined the last few years. It just gets worse and worse. Yet most people seem to be fine with it (either enthusiastically in favor, or at least indifferent, going on with their normie lives). Yes, probably not much point to talking about it. Though it still bothers me immensely, since I don't believe any of this would have been inevitable with different choices 30-40 years ago.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @A123, @silviosilver

    The craziness of the last few years was something I too had not thought possible. Certainly, if different choices had been made 30-40 years ago, that craziness could have been avoided. But who was there to make those different decisions? I don’t want to be overly fatalistic, but when people with the same fanatical commitment to those same shitlib values and those same egregiously flawed shitlib beliefs are invested with decision-making power and the power to shape and police speech and thought, isn’t it just a matter of time before you reach 2020-crazy (and perhaps worse to come)? All it takes is for the majority to indifferently (if somewhat grudgingly) go about their lives, et voila.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @silviosilver


    But who was there to make those different decisions?
     
    I think you're right insofar as it's clear that the roots of our current situation go back to at least the 1980s (in some ways earlier, like with the civil rights revolution in the US, or the end of the White Australia policy in Australia). But in the early to mid-1990s a lot of different choices could still have been taken, and sometimes actually were taken, albeit in too half-hearted a manner. In Germany the right to asylum was greatly restricted in 1992. The open borders Left never accepted it, and their constant subversion and agitation eventually bore fruit in 2014/15. But while the situation wasn't great even back then, for over 20 years the sort of mass immigration that has now been totally normalized seemed hard to imagine. In Britain the real watershed is 1997, before immigration was more in the region of tens of thousands each year, and steps had been taken to restrict practices like Pakistanis constantly importing new spouses etc. The decision to open the gates was deliberate. Even in the US, iirc there was still serious bipartisan talk about greatly restricting immigration in the 1990s (iirc some black Democrat congresswoman even played an important part in such proposals, which seems unimaginable now).
    In a sense of course it doesn't matter that much, given where we are now, but shitlibs often produce these totally disingenuous arguments, that it's all just a natural process, you can't stop globalization etc., and in its current form it already started in the post-war labour immigration of the 1950s and 1960s. Which contains a grain of truth, since already back then it brought some highly undesirable groups (like Pakistanis in Britain) into western countries, but much of that argument is deliberate deception. The disaster we've got now is the result of conscious policy choices that were taken within relatively recent memory.
    That's it regarding immigration, but similar arguments could probably be made for other issues too (like foreign policy, or energy policy in Germany's specific case at least).

    Replies: @A123, @silviosilver

  946. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Pamela Travers detested the Mary Poppins movie. The British think Americans are tacky. Americans return the favor by disdain for British snobs. I have always thought the Mary Poppins movie was Walt's greatest achievement. He made a bunch of people happy, but he was not a happy man.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kG6O4N3wxf8

    Replies: @songbird

    Kind of sad and funny how they never had an English chimneysweep, but went straight from Dick Van Dyke to that Puerto Rican guy.

    [MORE]

    But I guess it wasn’t specifically a prejudice. Haley Mills was in how many Disney films? And it’s really bizarre because at least in most of them, she is suppose to be American, but clearly has an English accent. Imagine if you had twin daughters (Parent Trap) and they both had English accents though you had never set foot in England, and the daughters had been separated soon after birth, that would be pretty freaky.

    I think there is some merit in what Tolkien says, though I did enjoy Darby O’Gill, even though it was bastardized folklore.

  947. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    If you don't even acknowledge the existence of the cossack hetmanate state
     
    As I said Hack, I consider the term "cossack state" as a contradiction, an impossibility - like saying flying giraffe, Israeli pig farmer or Dutch mountaineer etc.

    1. Zaporizhian cossacks were citizens of Poland at the time, i.e. the getmanate wasn't a state

    2. Zemsky sobor accepting the cossacks was immediate invitation to war with Poland i.e they, the Poles, considered these lands as their own

    3. Khmelnitsky wrote in 1648 to the Tsar, begging him to accept them into his Kingdom/pledging allegiance. He did this multiple times before the Treaty of Pereyeslav in 1654. Getmanate fake state supposed to have been created in 1649. These petitions to the Tsar are not the actions of someone who has just had his own country created.Polish retards do the same type of stupid stunt - claiming 2 seconds before partition they created some joke "democratic constitution". In reality they are just trying to cover up their historic failures.

    4. What exactly connects these lands in anyway to Bukovina (or Galicia)? Those aren't Cossack lands of the supposed Getmanate. Why call the people of these lands called "Ukrainians" but not Russians? If they are Russian then everything makes sense. If not then it's the schizophrenic freakshow we have now in 404.
    400 years Bukovina had zero connection to Galicia&Volynia - even during Habsburg when they were technically part of same administrative region, there was still minimal connections between the peoples. Malorossiyans though are heavily interlocked with Siberia, Far east, Arctic, St Petersburg, Moscow, South Russia, Northern Kazakhstan etc.

    5.Bukovina is more Orthodox than Uniate, but do you know Hack if this is because of ancient Russia heritage or Romania/Moldova connection to these lands? (I have no idea)

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack

    As I said Hack, I consider the term “cossack state” as a contradiction, an impossibility – like saying flying giraffe, Israeli pig farmer or Dutch mountaineer etc.

    Seriously? Did ou even read the Wiki piece that I cited? I’ll just quote one small section here:

    As ruler of the Hetmanate, Khmelnytsky engaged in state-building across multiple spheres: military, administration, finance, economics, and culture. He invested the Zaporozhian Host under the leadership of its hetman with supreme power in the new Ruthenian state, and he unified all the spheres of Ukrainian society under his authority. This involved building a government system and a developed military and civilian administration out of Cossack officers and Ruthenian nobles, as well as the establishment of an elite within the Cossack Hetman state.

    If this doesn’t define what a state is all about, then I don’t know what does? Quit being so obtuse, or I may have to curtail our discussions. 🙁

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    There are more details here:

    https://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CH%5CE%5CHetmanstate.htm



    The Hetman state exhibited elements of both republican and monarchic types of government. Because it did not have a constitution that defined the powers and prerogatives of its various institutions, these changed over time as a result of internal conflicts and the encroachments of the Russian government. The highest ruling organs were three bodies with somewhat overlapping functions: the General Military Council, the hetman, and the Council of Officers. The General Military Council was the institution of direct government in the 17th century and represented in theory the supreme will of the dominant group in society, the Cossacks. The hetman, meanwhile, was the head of state, commander in chief of the Cossack army, and head of the entire administrative, judicial, and military apparatus. Some hetmans recognized the ultimate authority of the military councils, while others, such as Bohdan Khmelnytsky and particularly Ivan Samoilovych and Ivan Mazepa, opposed it. During the reign of these hetmans, the state most resembled a monarchy with the election for life of the monarch-hetman. The Council of Officers was a semiformal advisory body that met twice a year; with time it acquired the characteristics of an estate parliament for the Cossack starshyna. Other central institutions included the General Military Chancellery, which executed the hetman's orders, and the General Officer Staff, which functioned as the hetman's cabinet. At first this body was elected by the Council of Officers, but later it was appointed by the hetman himself, or, as the state lost its autonomy, by the Russian government. The General Military Court, presided over by the hetman, was the supreme court of appeal.

    At the local level the state was organized, on the basis of the Cossack military organization, into regiments (see Regimental system) and companies (see Company system). In Bohdan Khmelnytsky's time, there were 10 Right-Bank Ukraine and 7 Left-Bank Ukraine regiments; later there were 10 regiments in total. The regimental and company administrations mirrored that of the central government: each regiment had a military council, colonel, and regimental council of officers, and each company a captain and council of officers. At first most officers at the local as well as central levels of administration and the judiciary were elected. Later, however, this practice declined and individuals were appointed by higher authorities or the Russian government.

    The Hetmanate, particularly in the 18th century, had a social hierarchy, where an individual's political power, legal rights, and social status were determined by his membership in a particular social group or estate (see Estates). At the top of the pyramid were the senior Cossack officers (the Cossack starshyna and the notable military fellows), followed by the Cossacks, the burghers and other town dwellers, and the peasants. At first, after the Khmelnytsky uprising, the state was in principle composed of free citizens, although some of the peasantry (particularly the church peasants) remained in a state of servitude. With time, however, as their obligations grew heavier, the rest of the peasantry and the rank-and-file Cossacks became impoverished, and the Hetman state became an increasingly regimented class society in which only the officer class had special privileges. Town dwellers also began to lose their political autonomy, although large cities and towns continued to be ruled under Magdeburg law. At the same time class barriers were created: eg, it was forbidden for a peasant to become a Cossack. The legal system of the state was derived from a variety of sources, particularly the 1648 Polish edition of the Lithuanian Statute (see Code of Laws of 1743).

    , @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    Seriously? Did you even read the Wiki piece that I cited? I’ll just quote one small section here:
     
    No. Why would I read nonsense where I know what the false claims are anyway, Hack? They have to explain the non-existence of any Ukrainian state - so naturally invent any drivel. Modern pseudoscience, Gos-dep paid for Ukrainian "historians" have taken this nonsense to another level.

    Zaporizhian Cossack "state" for obvious reasons is not a state. Semi-nomadic, barbaric people, only union with Russia for them didn't have totally mercenary aims as they were begging Russia to reunify, repeatedly selling themselves to the highest bidder ( the Ottomans, Crimean Khanate, Poles, Russians, Swedish), a military formation living over sparsely populated borderlands that doesn't classify as a state- just like the Don Cossacks, Siberian Cossacks, Ural/Yaik Cossacks, Terek cossacks etc, and despite the laughable claims in your Wikipedia link........not doing ANY practice close to that of a state in the legal, financial, administrative fields), ethnically mixed to a huge extent ( though even in that, probably Russian dominant) that you could not say the civilians, the peasants living where they were are of the same ethnicity as them.

    As for "state-building in the military sphere" - a truly bizarre statement. Cossack formation by definition is incompatible with that statement.

    As I said - Don Cossacks had higher claims to be a state. Sloboda Cossacks completely different from Zaporizhian cossacks, though land they inhabited is mostly part of 404 now.

    Where the f**k does Russia buying Kiev for 150000 pieces of silver (or whatever the amount was) from Poland align with this Cossack Getmanate state drivel???

    They were always citizens of Poland or citizens of Russia. Nothing else ( well, a few had secret Ottoman citizenship - but that is different issue)

    Fortunately after I wrote my original post to you, Vzgliad released this article :

    https://vz.ru/society/2024/2/10/1252854.html

    You appear like you are the type who has been fully aware of this part of history anyway (Khmelnitsky's letters to Tsar). As I said before, these are not the actions of someone ruling over his own state if you look at the dates.

    Now I understand this is some core ideology you may have believed for a long time - you are not some fantasist retard sociopath with zero connection to these issues like this "AP" wakjob, - so in theory I can respect your belief - so I will switch to the following issue of what connects any of that Getmanate to Bukovina, and why a Galician retard would be part of the same historical nation as you?

    Cossack (Za, Sloboda, Don), steppe, chernozem connect neither of you to Ukraine like it does to much of Russia. Historically Bukovina has been land of Russian people, . Why does 400+ years separate from Galician retards not enough to make you separate people from them, but multiple centuries of living separate from Russia does? Ethnically the same i.e Russians, and historically religion was hugely important factor in national consciousness - so as Orthodox why connect to Galician slave retards of different religion living in totally different empires..but not with Russians?

    If you can inform me of what makes you "Ukrainian" and not Russian, other then Stalin, then I will be impressed.
    Faino, Pan, Дякую - all these basic foreign words into Mova- there must be several centuries difference in these simple words being used in Galicia ( or for Malorossiya - Pan) before anyone in Bukovina even hearing them. Even then I would guess that vernacular used in Rostov or Krasnoyarsk would have had greater influence on talk in Bukovina then whatever used in Galicia.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

  948. @Beckow
    @AP

    You like to parade how stupid you are...amusing how low US educational standards must be.


    If Hitler had not attacked his Soviet allies the Soviets would have done nothing as the Poles were exterminated.
     
    Maybe next time? Russia won't sacrifice half a million soldiers so the Poles can live twice.

    If Germany had not attacked France and UK they would do the same. And what is this "Hitler" personification of the war? It was Germany, why are you running away from it?

    Your made-up history is nonsense. Deal with reality: Russia defeated Germany in WW2. Period. You sound like a retarded video-game addict with all the "what-ifs"...always the same nationalist Polo-Ukie fantasy based on making up things. And always "killing" more Russians.


    you became about as poor as persecuted Blacks in an American ghetto
     
    Riiight....and that would be why? Because they had more TV sets or shoes? You are literally retarded when it comes to understanding quality of life: work, education, vacations, health care, housing, safety, etc...Yeah, 1980's Prague or Budapest was just like "Haarlem"...are you really that stupid? Or just desperate? Maybe just hiding your own dirt.

    Replies: @AP

    Your made-up history is nonsense. Deal with reality: Russia defeated Germany in WW2

    Lol.

    Uneducated moron doesn’t even know the difference between Russia and the USSR.

    “Russia” did not defeat Germany. Russians were about half the population of a country that defeated Germany.

    Dmitry stated the obvious, that even 10 year old have learned this. But you have not. Poor educational system?

    If Germany had not attacked France and UK they would do the same [do nothing as Germany murdered Poles]

    Maybe. So? At least they would not have been allies, as Soviets were.

    you became about as poor as persecuted Blacks in an American ghetto

    Riiight….and that would be why? Because they had more TV sets or shoes

    And cars, etc.

    I wrote materially. Do you know what that means?

    You are literally retarded when it comes to understanding quality of life: work, education, vacations, health care, housing, safety,

    I wasn’t discussing it. You can’t tell the difference? We know from PISA that Slovaks do r read very well.

    You are the one who brought up “quadrupled living standards.” Education and safety did not “quadruple.” Money did. And by that standard you underperformed. You were about as poor as persecuted Blacks in the American ghetto. Who also got free healthcare, that was probably better then yours.

    Now you want to change the subject to stuff that exists independently of socialism like street crime or appreciation for literature and theatre. Yes, poor Czechs lived more pleasantly than richer Blacks in American ghettos. So?

    Yeah, 1980’s Prague or Budapest was just like “Haarlem

    They were probably poorer. Communism didn’t make Prague or Budapest safer (they were safe before and after) but it made them much poorer than non-Commie places. Pathetically so.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...the difference between Russia and the USSR.
     
    Once you morons start using USSR for what you call bad stuff - "Stalin", Bolshies, etc... - we can use it. You like to have it both ways: lying about "only Russians" when it suits you, then trying to include yourself in the WW2 victory or other good stuff. You are inconsistent. Russia won WW2 as they also beat France, Poland, Sweden,Turkey before. Do you want to invent some geographic term for that too? You medicate yourself, all that hatred of "Russia" and and you keep on suffering losses. Another one today...

    I wrote materially...
     
    Yeah, "materially" your ghetto blacks in Haarlem were driving more cars. Or were they? Nobody cares, they lived and live like sh..t - so did your 50% of lower whites and mestizos. They lived incomparably worse than people in Prague or Budapest (probably even Warsaw).

    they were safe before...helathcare, education...
     
    Look at the data: in pre-commie Czecho-slovakia only 15% people had higher educationof any kind and only 30% had healthcare - government employees, 5-10% rich, some minimal charity. It was too expensive for the majority. Under commies everyone immediately got it for free and it was good quality. Same with vacations, pensions, jobs... Everyone had it.

    The crime went down 80% from 1930's when Prague was a dirty madhouse with hundreds of thousands of poor, street crime, homeless, poor infrastructure...that's one thing commies were really good at: they didn't play games with criminals.

    You are ignorant. What you are doing is that you are deeply insecure about the sh..ty life for most people in America so you make up things. It is a way to cope - you live in made-up propaganda that any normal person sees through. You should see professional help, lying about how good the "ghetto blacks" had it is no way to remain sane...

    Replies: @AP

  949. @LatW
    @songbird


    This is just the politically correct way of saying it. [..] Death by a thousand cuts would still be death.
     
    Obviously, the original problem is that they are being imported in the first place - that goes without saying. All I was saying was that if the rate of importation continues, then it could become irreversible, because due to sheer numbers, people will start dating out of their race (or culture) in much larger numbers, the way it's going to happen soon in parts of the US.

    For the EU, there is also an ethical dimension to this or the issue of fairness - the people arriving have not all made the commitment to the norms governing these societies - for example, if the Ukrainians were to be accepted into the EU, the Ukrainian population would have to jump through endless hoops for a long time, before they are ready to be admitted, yet the migrants get accepted without having made any commitments. This undercuts the principles that the European societies are based upon.

    As to your language related comment, you were saying that "the pace of language shift has vastly increased". From what I understand, "language shift" is not degradation of language, but a situation where native speakers literally move away from their native language and gradually switch to another. That's why I asked, where this was happening among European nations, I have seen some very minor evidence of English being used that way, which is disturbing, yes, but it is still relatively minor.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    All I was saying was that if the rate of importation continues, then it could become irreversible

    If the pace is slow, there is more time to react, but reacting seems less urgent.

    If the pace is fast, there is less time to react, but reacting seems more urgent.

    Hard to say which is preferable. (Aside from ‘neither’.)

  950. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    LOL Scott Ritter? Really?

    Here is Scott Ritter explaining how Ukraine is about to collapse.

    A year ago.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRghOommHCs&list=PLbCcEP_kZ1qhvpyQtY32NpfXwOVqkXvSX&index=66

    Oh and the homosexual judge he is talking to was accused of raping a man.
    https://nypost.com/2020/09/11/andrew-napolitano-sexually-abused-man-in-exchange-for-light-sentence-suit/

    Some fascinating characters that line up to defend the mass murdering dwarf.

    Can't help but notice how his top bloggers in the US are disproportionately homosexual and criminal.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    More unsubstantiated babble on your part. You’re a much greater joke than Ritter, who doesn’t launch pot shots as an anonymous commenter.

    Another great source:

    • Agree: James Of Africa
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Mikhail

    At minute 21:00 there is a graphic showing the USA and Russia both had about 600,000 STEM graduates in 2016. I wonder how the quality of the grads from the two countries compare?

    Replies: @Mikhail

  951. @Sean
    @LatW

    Unlike Western countries where nationalism is ethnic feeling, the odd thing about Russians is they see the state and the nation as being one. That is why the military fiasco epitomised by Putin supposedly second most powerful army in the world being unable to hold or retake Kharkiv, which is only 18 miles from the border of Russia proper, is perceived as a threat to the existence of Russians by a substantial minority of Russia's population. For the Kremlin there is no alternative to continuing the war; ending it would be political suicide.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    Unlike Western countries where nationalism is ethnic feeling, the odd thing about Russians is they see the state and the nation as being one.

    I think this idea exists in various European countries, it used to be called Integral Nationalism. It’s the idea that authority constitutes the nation and is a kind of inherent pre-condition for the ethnic group to survive and for its culture to develop. This was present in France, Portugal, Spain etc.

    It was the ideology of the Portuguese regime between 1933-74, it was part of Francoism, you can see some influence in the original framing of the current French constitution by de Gaulle (why France is the only European country apart from Belarus and RF that is a presidential republic).

    Sometimes I’ve read about Ivan Ilyin and his influence on the current Russian regime, from what I have seen he sounds like he defended a Russian version of this.

  952. German_reader says:
    @silviosilver
    @German_reader

    The craziness of the last few years was something I too had not thought possible. Certainly, if different choices had been made 30-40 years ago, that craziness could have been avoided. But who was there to make those different decisions? I don't want to be overly fatalistic, but when people with the same fanatical commitment to those same shitlib values and those same egregiously flawed shitlib beliefs are invested with decision-making power and the power to shape and police speech and thought, isn't it just a matter of time before you reach 2020-crazy (and perhaps worse to come)? All it takes is for the majority to indifferently (if somewhat grudgingly) go about their lives, et voila.

    Replies: @German_reader

    But who was there to make those different decisions?

    I think you’re right insofar as it’s clear that the roots of our current situation go back to at least the 1980s (in some ways earlier, like with the civil rights revolution in the US, or the end of the White Australia policy in Australia). But in the early to mid-1990s a lot of different choices could still have been taken, and sometimes actually were taken, albeit in too half-hearted a manner. In Germany the right to asylum was greatly restricted in 1992. The open borders Left never accepted it, and their constant subversion and agitation eventually bore fruit in 2014/15. But while the situation wasn’t great even back then, for over 20 years the sort of mass immigration that has now been totally normalized seemed hard to imagine. In Britain the real watershed is 1997, before immigration was more in the region of tens of thousands each year, and steps had been taken to restrict practices like Pakistanis constantly importing new spouses etc. The decision to open the gates was deliberate. Even in the US, iirc there was still serious bipartisan talk about greatly restricting immigration in the 1990s (iirc some black Democrat congresswoman even played an important part in such proposals, which seems unimaginable now).
    In a sense of course it doesn’t matter that much, given where we are now, but shitlibs often produce these totally disingenuous arguments, that it’s all just a natural process, you can’t stop globalization etc., and in its current form it already started in the post-war labour immigration of the 1950s and 1960s. Which contains a grain of truth, since already back then it brought some highly undesirable groups (like Pakistanis in Britain) into western countries, but much of that argument is deliberate deception. The disaster we’ve got now is the result of conscious policy choices that were taken within relatively recent memory.
    That’s it regarding immigration, but similar arguments could probably be made for other issues too (like foreign policy, or energy policy in Germany’s specific case at least).

    • Thanks: Yevardian
    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader


    Even in the US, iirc there was still serious bipartisan talk about greatly restricting immigration in the 1990s (iirc some black Democrat congresswoman even played an important part in such proposals, which seems unimaginable now).
     
    Restricting immigration is a fundamental plank in any workers' party. More migrants = Lower wages. In 1986, Ronald Reagan signed a truly bipartisan deal that included what was agreed as the "Last Amnesty Ever".

    Since then the Democrats abandoned labour to adopt the strange mish mash of progressive SJW dogma, including uncritical multiculturalism. That, combined with corporatism on the other side, left the door open for mass migration. Citizen workers were without a U.S. party for some time.

    There are two only two routes forward for America. MAGA labour success in swinging the pendulum the other way for at least 30 years. Or, everything burns. As an optimist, I have to believe the former is possible.

    PEACE 😇
    , @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    In a sense of course it doesn’t matter that much, given where we are now, but shitlibs often produce these totally disingenuous arguments, that it’s all just a natural process,
     
    To be clear, I'm obviously not suggesting these were in any way "natural processes." I agree completely that those arguments are shitlib hogwash, at best rationalizations, but typically deliberate deceptions.

    The disaster we’ve got now is the result of conscious policy choices that were taken within relatively recent memory.
     
    Deliberate decisions made by people who were exceedingly unlikely to ever decide in any other way. Let's not be rigidly deterministic about it. Let's allow there was some small chance that people who voted to increase immigration may have voted to instead decrease it. What was the chance of that - 2%, 5%? If you replaced the specific individuals involved in those decisions with other individuals who held the same sort of values and the same sort of beliefs, you'd get largely get the same sort of deliberate decisions. A different set of deliberate decisions would have required a different set of people with very different values and beliefs. This is the aspect of the issue that I claim has very deep roots in the past (way earlier than the 1980s).
  953. @songbird
    @sudden death

    Wow, and I thought I was a China bull! Not sure they are keen on invading easily defendable, densly-packed jungle. Am surprised you didn't go with the Horde. Wasn't Lithuania a tributary state for a few years?

    Replies: @sudden death

    Some Asian guy, who also happens to be former president of Mongolia, did it for me;)

    After Putin’s talk. I found Mongolian historic map. Don’t worry. We are a peaceful and free nation.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @songbird
    @sudden death

    Actually think the map is too conservative. They should aspire to everywhere their armies went - to re-fight the battles and wars that they lost, and to win them this time.

    They could maybe do it if they maintained a high TFR, unfortunately some absurdly high number live around the capital now, and very few in the country.

  954. @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    More unsubstantiated babble on your part. You're a much greater joke than Ritter, who doesn't launch pot shots as an anonymous commenter.

    Another great source:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auNyHniau5s

    Replies: @QCIC

    At minute 21:00 there is a graphic showing the USA and Russia both had about 600,000 STEM graduates in 2016. I wonder how the quality of the grads from the two countries compare?

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @QCIC

    Russia must be pretty good on that particular, given what has been evident on the ground in the former Ukrainian SSR.

  955. @songbird
    @Coconuts


    Maybe we can look towards the Boomerdämmerung for some change
     
    Agree with what I heard Eric Kaufmann once say, that political change will happen too slow to save us - that by its nature, requiring generational shift, it is too slow. Look at the number of Sinn Féin voters who oppose current immigration levels, despite the party itself being very woke: 72%! And perhaps, by the time newer parties gained traction, they would be corrupted too.

    Heard him say a few months back that the only hope to roll back woke is in the courts - though I am an institutional pessimist. I tend to think the solutions will involve new institutions rather than old.

    Am sure that the Boomers dying off will cause substantial changes though. For one thing, I believe it will get rid of the superficial faces that they put on things. Like Joe Biden or the head of NASA. They will be replaced with women or PoC.

    Not too sure it will be positive, unless in an accelerationist way.


    I also saw this post about the likely minimal impact of liberal pronatalism:
     
    Tend to agree that economic incentives alone won't work. That doesn't mean the needle can't be moved, and moved substantially, but IMO, it requires nationalism or at least a spiritual appeal.

    Think it would be easy and proper to incentivize a mass propaganda campaign. Guess it kind of creates a sticky issue though because the question for Euro nationalists is how you do it in a particularist way. No European state seems to be willing to acknowledge that the problem is lack of European babies. I suppose even a directed propaganda campaign would have possibilities of backfiring, if others take up the message and adapt it for their group.

    But these people who say it is hopeless and that nothing will work are obviously wrong. Nobody has even tried to employ some of the cultural technology utilized in 19th century rural Ireland.

    See bottom of page 468:
    https://archive.org/details/MemoirsOfJeremiahCurtin/page/n479/mode/1up?view=theater

    Replies: @Coconuts

    …that political change will happen too slow to save us – that by its nature, requiring generational shift, it is too slow.

    I think he is likely to be right, if you take into account the rate of change we have at the moment, and the intensity of the commitment to promoting it.

    [MORE]

    I also don’t have a lot of faith in the possibility of using the legal system to block the decolonisation stuff, because its too embedded there. A good part of its social force at the moment seems to derive from the law and judiciary.

    I guess this would only change if there was some significant change in the political mood.

    Not too sure it will be positive, unless in an accelerationist way.

    I can see this happening, when there will be a kind of doubling down on the progressive legacy of the boomers by the people who will be influential and in positions of power then. There should be some accelerationist effect from this, because of the dysfunction that will be connected to it. I can also see this in myself, the presence of my parents and other boomer relatives keep me more moderate, because they are still a connection to a different sort of society (there frame of reference for things is still orientated towards the 1950s, 60s and 70s).

    Think it would be easy and proper to incentivize a mass propaganda campaign. Guess it kind of creates a sticky issue though because the question for Euro nationalists is how you do it in a particularist way.

    The French are maybe further ahead in this, probably they are less inhibited than the Germans and there is this older progressive tradition that by contemporary standards is ‘exclusionary’, like a type of civic nationalism where there is so much cultural content connected to the national identity that mostly only other Euros will be prepared to adopt it. Something like the expression ‘Français de souche’, ‘old French’ or ‘rooted French’ (compared to someone with ‘French papers’) has already become fairly mainstream.

    It’s still possible to connect worry about birthrates with concern for the future of the Republican heritage or national ‘patrimoine’ (cultural heritage) and French ‘art de vivre’, this was sort of happening when historically low birthrates were announced a month or two ago. Imo it’s harder to imagine it being done in the UK, because the cultural heritage and values being talked about are European ones.

    Nobody has even tried to employ some of the cultural technology utilized in 19th century rural Ireland.

    It could be celebrated/protected as an important part of folk culture? That book is quite funny, who was the author?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Coconuts


    the presence of my parents and other boomer relatives keep me more moderate, because they are still a connection to a different sort of society (there frame of reference for things is still orientated towards the 1950s, 60s and 70s).

     

    They also tend to be more passive consumers of media, even when they have a rightward tilt.

    It could be celebrated/protected as an important part of folk culture?
     
    The parish records in rural parts are generally the worse. It can be hard to firmly establish specific dates, even where they survive, but from what I can tell these pre-Lenten traditions of people getting married were a really big deal.

    At least in a small way, I am the result of women getting roped on this day. And no doubt a much larger way, if you extend it through shrovetide.

    It is so strange to think of it - it is like everything had a season to the farmer, even marriage - at least in large part. And by putting a lot of marriages in this season, I think it was adaptive, because it made it easier to encourage people to get married - easier to promote the culture during the season.

    Kind of like how MLK day led to a lot of subversion, when it was only grudgingly granted as a sop, to try to satisfy blacks. They repurposed a holiday (originally President's Day was two days for two presidents) and the holiday turned into lesson plans.

    That book is quite funny, who was the author?
     
    Another adventurer/ethnographer born strangely in Detroit, like Harry Franck (though not a really a local).

    Afraid I have only read a short portion of the memoir, but I may have to peruse it further, as I have a great interest in ethnographic writings and he seems to have observed other peoples, as well as been the head of ethnology at the Smithsonian.

    Sometimes, I wish there was a crowd sourced effort to extract and organize all these ethnographic writings, or writings about the differences between the sexes, to make them more searchable online.
  956. @sudden death
    @songbird

    Some Asian guy, who also happens to be former president of Mongolia, did it for me;)


    After Putin’s talk. I found Mongolian historic map. Don’t worry. We are a peaceful and free nation.
     
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGF4MqSbAAAMROu.jpg

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGF5SyObkAAi1A5.jpg


    https://twitter.com/elbegdorj/status/1756818696700657935

    Replies: @songbird

    Actually think the map is too conservative. They should aspire to everywhere their armies went – to re-fight the battles and wars that they lost, and to win them this time.

    They could maybe do it if they maintained a high TFR, unfortunately some absurdly high number live around the capital now, and very few in the country.

  957. @German_reader
    @silviosilver


    But who was there to make those different decisions?
     
    I think you're right insofar as it's clear that the roots of our current situation go back to at least the 1980s (in some ways earlier, like with the civil rights revolution in the US, or the end of the White Australia policy in Australia). But in the early to mid-1990s a lot of different choices could still have been taken, and sometimes actually were taken, albeit in too half-hearted a manner. In Germany the right to asylum was greatly restricted in 1992. The open borders Left never accepted it, and their constant subversion and agitation eventually bore fruit in 2014/15. But while the situation wasn't great even back then, for over 20 years the sort of mass immigration that has now been totally normalized seemed hard to imagine. In Britain the real watershed is 1997, before immigration was more in the region of tens of thousands each year, and steps had been taken to restrict practices like Pakistanis constantly importing new spouses etc. The decision to open the gates was deliberate. Even in the US, iirc there was still serious bipartisan talk about greatly restricting immigration in the 1990s (iirc some black Democrat congresswoman even played an important part in such proposals, which seems unimaginable now).
    In a sense of course it doesn't matter that much, given where we are now, but shitlibs often produce these totally disingenuous arguments, that it's all just a natural process, you can't stop globalization etc., and in its current form it already started in the post-war labour immigration of the 1950s and 1960s. Which contains a grain of truth, since already back then it brought some highly undesirable groups (like Pakistanis in Britain) into western countries, but much of that argument is deliberate deception. The disaster we've got now is the result of conscious policy choices that were taken within relatively recent memory.
    That's it regarding immigration, but similar arguments could probably be made for other issues too (like foreign policy, or energy policy in Germany's specific case at least).

    Replies: @A123, @silviosilver

    Even in the US, iirc there was still serious bipartisan talk about greatly restricting immigration in the 1990s (iirc some black Democrat congresswoman even played an important part in such proposals, which seems unimaginable now).

    Restricting immigration is a fundamental plank in any workers’ party. More migrants = Lower wages. In 1986, Ronald Reagan signed a truly bipartisan deal that included what was agreed as the “Last Amnesty Ever”.

    Since then the Democrats abandoned labour to adopt the strange mish mash of progressive SJW dogma, including uncritical multiculturalism. That, combined with corporatism on the other side, left the door open for mass migration. Citizen workers were without a U.S. party for some time.

    There are two only two routes forward for America. MAGA labour success in swinging the pendulum the other way for at least 30 years. Or, everything burns. As an optimist, I have to believe the former is possible.

    PEACE 😇

  958. @songbird
    Tolkien had interesting opinions on Disney.
    https://youtu.be/RwxHMWZBMSI?si=gkWiX-pOW_38Qrla

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    Although I can understand Tolkien’s dissatisfaction with Disney, especially after watching this clip, I grew up in the era when Disney’s classic films were being made and loved watching them. Of course they’re nothing like that anymore, and Tolkien’s disgust with the Disney studios would have no doubt grown exponentially with the faire being churned out today. Tolkien probably didn’t like Cinerama’s extravaganza “The Wonderful World of the Brother’s Grimm” too, but I loved watching it, especially on the super large screen that was especially developed for this type of film. There was something magical and funny about watching Buddy Hackett engage in combat with a giant dragon:

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    Yvette Mimieux vs. Barbara Eden? What could be better for a young adolescent boy to contemplate? :-)

    , @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Wonder what sort of Cinderella Tolkien would have put on screen and whether he would have let in children.

    Would really like to revive some of these great reactionaries of the past, like GK Chesterton and Tolkien to see what they would say of modern Disney.


    Never heard of that film before. Was the screen really shaped like that? It seems very disorienting.

    A good director tries to focus the eye in one spot, at one time, and I think a screen expanded toward the edges would interfere with that.

    They need different directors for toddlers as their eyes are shiftier and constantly moving around.

    Modern directors seem worse at focusing the eye, in part because there is a trend to put more details on screen.

    I watched the first hour of Star Trek STD, many years ago when it came out, and thought it was a very ugly ship and the camera work (always moving) made me want to throw up. And that is to say nothing about the rest of the show, which was equally horrible.

    I really hate this trend to spin the camera around for no reason and also quick-cuts.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  959. @Matra
    @Mr. XYZ


    e best Slavs overall would probably be Czechs. Smart, relatively industrious (especially for a Slavic people), relatively non-corrupt
     
    Based on my recent, though admittedly brief, trip to Slovenia I think they are #1 in the Slav world. Basically, from an outside perspective, they are southern Germans who speak a Slavic language. And unlike Prague, with its dirty streets and shifty, thieving business owners, the locals in Ljubljana have well-maintained streets and buildings and come across as orderly and high trust-oriented. I can see why they were a bad fit for YugoSloboSlavia.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP, @Beckow

    unlike Prague, with its dirty streets and shifty, thieving business owners

    So Prague is more like Budapest than it is like Lviv or Polish cities?

    • Replies: @Matra
    @AP

    I was in Budapest too, just two weeks ago. Budapest was shabbier than I remember from my week there back in 2010. (Buda looked a lot better than Pest but I think it always has done, being more bourgeois). Passing through Prague there was some public transport diversions due to flooding near the central station requiring us to walk through parts of a residential neighbourhood called Zizkov. It had terrible lighting at night, with uneven & loose pavements and just generally doesn't appear well looked after. Reminded me of early 1980s Belfast, including the dog shit - another thing you see a lot of in Budapest. Non-tourist areas of Prague have looked neglected for as long as I've been going there but the locals don't seem bothered by it.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    How does Bratislava compare to the cities mentioned above? Have you ever been there?

  960. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Although I can understand Tolkien's dissatisfaction with Disney, especially after watching this clip, I grew up in the era when Disney's classic films were being made and loved watching them. Of course they're nothing like that anymore, and Tolkien's disgust with the Disney studios would have no doubt grown exponentially with the faire being churned out today. Tolkien probably didn't like Cinerama's extravaganza "The Wonderful World of the Brother's Grimm" too, but I loved watching it, especially on the super large screen that was especially developed for this type of film. There was something magical and funny about watching Buddy Hackett engage in combat with a giant dragon:

    https://youtu.be/hiASEIz3qrg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @songbird

    Yvette Mimieux vs. Barbara Eden? What could be better for a young adolescent boy to contemplate? 🙂

  961. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    I've been watching what I consider to be one of the best series about Ukrainian castles from the "golden era". I wanted to point out this specific segment dealing with the Olyka castle in Volhynia, the ancestral home of the Radziwill family in Ukraine. I thought that you might find the reading from Albert Radziwill's diary regarding the background of the revolutionary movement in Ukraine in 1648 to be interesting. No fan of Khmelnitsky, Albert was honest enough though to lay the blame for the confrontation squarely at the feet of the Polish state, for the outrageous "exploitation of the peasantry" more vicious and inhumane than anything displayed in the rest of Europe. "Brothers" or "exploiters" I often wonder? Start watching at about 24:50:

    https://youtu.be/mFaIGT8Q2iA

    Replies: @AP

    His complaints sound like the complaints of those who were victims of the Mongol onslaught – it was the punishment of God for our sins, the peasants did to us what we did to them. It would have been interesting to hear his other reasons.

    The reason for Khmelnytsky’s successful rebellion was that the petty gentry with excellent military experience, such as Khmelnytsky, joined the peasants en masse in opposition to the local magnates. Their grievances were more fatal to the unity of the Commonwealth than were those of the peasants (whose plight in Ukraine was actually less severe than in Poland itself). And of course, they would end up screwing themselves, and the peasants, and their people even more as a consequence of their treason. Ukrainians have been trying to undo the turn to Moscow for centuries.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    It would have been interesting to hear his other reasons.
     
    I agree. If more of his diary is available somewhere, I know of one super sleuth that would be able to locate it...

    My point in bringing this up is that I think at times you over emphasize the positive aspects of close Ukrainian/Polish relations. It seems that in 1648 different spheres of Ukrainian society were fed up with things as they were, and were in dire need of some serious changes. I'm not sure that such change was ever, unfortunately, really achieved?...

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Ukrainians have been trying to undo the turn to Moscow for centuries.
     
    Interestingly enough, this WWI-era Polish magazine (Free Poland) was touting the advantages of a Polish-Ukrainian-Lithuanian union as early as 1916:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=09F2xqwClH4C&pg=PA12&dq=ukrainia+poland&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwio5ci8_6aEAxUfLEQIHVlpASYQ6AF6BAgHEAI#v=onepage&q=ukrainia%20poland&f=false

    It argued that Poland can exist as an independent state but that without Poland both Ukrainians and Lithuanians were doomed to either Russification or Germanization. He was right, I suspect.
  962. @Coconuts
    @songbird


    ...that political change will happen too slow to save us – that by its nature, requiring generational shift, it is too slow.
     
    I think he is likely to be right, if you take into account the rate of change we have at the moment, and the intensity of the commitment to promoting it.



    I also don't have a lot of faith in the possibility of using the legal system to block the decolonisation stuff, because its too embedded there. A good part of its social force at the moment seems to derive from the law and judiciary.

    I guess this would only change if there was some significant change in the political mood.

    Not too sure it will be positive, unless in an accelerationist way.
     
    I can see this happening, when there will be a kind of doubling down on the progressive legacy of the boomers by the people who will be influential and in positions of power then. There should be some accelerationist effect from this, because of the dysfunction that will be connected to it. I can also see this in myself, the presence of my parents and other boomer relatives keep me more moderate, because they are still a connection to a different sort of society (there frame of reference for things is still orientated towards the 1950s, 60s and 70s).

    Think it would be easy and proper to incentivize a mass propaganda campaign. Guess it kind of creates a sticky issue though because the question for Euro nationalists is how you do it in a particularist way.
     
    The French are maybe further ahead in this, probably they are less inhibited than the Germans and there is this older progressive tradition that by contemporary standards is 'exclusionary', like a type of civic nationalism where there is so much cultural content connected to the national identity that mostly only other Euros will be prepared to adopt it. Something like the expression 'Français de souche', 'old French' or 'rooted French' (compared to someone with 'French papers') has already become fairly mainstream.

    It's still possible to connect worry about birthrates with concern for the future of the Republican heritage or national 'patrimoine' (cultural heritage) and French 'art de vivre', this was sort of happening when historically low birthrates were announced a month or two ago. Imo it's harder to imagine it being done in the UK, because the cultural heritage and values being talked about are European ones.

    Nobody has even tried to employ some of the cultural technology utilized in 19th century rural Ireland.
     
    It could be celebrated/protected as an important part of folk culture? That book is quite funny, who was the author?

    Replies: @songbird

    the presence of my parents and other boomer relatives keep me more moderate, because they are still a connection to a different sort of society (there frame of reference for things is still orientated towards the 1950s, 60s and 70s).

    They also tend to be more passive consumers of media, even when they have a rightward tilt.

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    It could be celebrated/protected as an important part of folk culture?

    The parish records in rural parts are generally the worse. It can be hard to firmly establish specific dates, even where they survive, but from what I can tell these pre-Lenten traditions of people getting married were a really big deal.

    At least in a small way, I am the result of women getting roped on this day. And no doubt a much larger way, if you extend it through shrovetide.

    It is so strange to think of it – it is like everything had a season to the farmer, even marriage – at least in large part. And by putting a lot of marriages in this season, I think it was adaptive, because it made it easier to encourage people to get married – easier to promote the culture during the season.

    Kind of like how MLK day led to a lot of subversion, when it was only grudgingly granted as a sop, to try to satisfy blacks. They repurposed a holiday (originally President’s Day was two days for two presidents) and the holiday turned into lesson plans.

    That book is quite funny, who was the author?

    Another adventurer/ethnographer born strangely in Detroit, like Harry Franck (though not a really a local).

    Afraid I have only read a short portion of the memoir, but I may have to peruse it further, as I have a great interest in ethnographic writings and he seems to have observed other peoples, as well as been the head of ethnology at the Smithsonian.

    Sometimes, I wish there was a crowd sourced effort to extract and organize all these ethnographic writings, or writings about the differences between the sexes, to make them more searchable online.

  963. @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234


    As I said Hack, I consider the term “cossack state” as a contradiction, an impossibility – like saying flying giraffe, Israeli pig farmer or Dutch mountaineer etc.
     
    Seriously? Did ou even read the Wiki piece that I cited? I'll just quote one small section here:

    As ruler of the Hetmanate, Khmelnytsky engaged in state-building across multiple spheres: military, administration, finance, economics, and culture. He invested the Zaporozhian Host under the leadership of its hetman with supreme power in the new Ruthenian state, and he unified all the spheres of Ukrainian society under his authority. This involved building a government system and a developed military and civilian administration out of Cossack officers and Ruthenian nobles, as well as the establishment of an elite within the Cossack Hetman state.
     
    If this doesn't define what a state is all about, then I don't know what does? Quit being so obtuse, or I may have to curtail our discussions. :-(

    Replies: @AP, @Gerard1234

    There are more details here:

    https://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CH%5CE%5CHetmanstate.htm

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    The Hetman state exhibited elements of both republican and monarchic types of government. Because it did not have a constitution that defined the powers and prerogatives of its various institutions, these changed over time as a result of internal conflicts and the encroachments of the Russian government. The highest ruling organs were three bodies with somewhat overlapping functions: the General Military Council, the hetman, and the Council of Officers. The General Military Council was the institution of direct government in the 17th century and represented in theory the supreme will of the dominant group in society, the Cossacks. The hetman, meanwhile, was the head of state, commander in chief of the Cossack army, and head of the entire administrative, judicial, and military apparatus. Some hetmans recognized the ultimate authority of the military councils, while others, such as Bohdan Khmelnytsky and particularly Ivan Samoilovych and Ivan Mazepa, opposed it. During the reign of these hetmans, the state most resembled a monarchy with the election for life of the monarch-hetman. The Council of Officers was a semiformal advisory body that met twice a year; with time it acquired the characteristics of an estate parliament for the Cossack starshyna. Other central institutions included the General Military Chancellery, which executed the hetman’s orders, and the General Officer Staff, which functioned as the hetman’s cabinet. At first this body was elected by the Council of Officers, but later it was appointed by the hetman himself, or, as the state lost its autonomy, by the Russian government. The General Military Court, presided over by the hetman, was the supreme court of appeal.

    At the local level the state was organized, on the basis of the Cossack military organization, into regiments (see Regimental system) and companies (see Company system). In Bohdan Khmelnytsky’s time, there were 10 Right-Bank Ukraine and 7 Left-Bank Ukraine regiments; later there were 10 regiments in total. The regimental and company administrations mirrored that of the central government: each regiment had a military council, colonel, and regimental council of officers, and each company a captain and council of officers. At first most officers at the local as well as central levels of administration and the judiciary were elected. Later, however, this practice declined and individuals were appointed by higher authorities or the Russian government.

    The Hetmanate, particularly in the 18th century, had a social hierarchy, where an individual’s political power, legal rights, and social status were determined by his membership in a particular social group or estate (see Estates). At the top of the pyramid were the senior Cossack officers (the Cossack starshyna and the notable military fellows), followed by the Cossacks, the burghers and other town dwellers, and the peasants. At first, after the Khmelnytsky uprising, the state was in principle composed of free citizens, although some of the peasantry (particularly the church peasants) remained in a state of servitude. With time, however, as their obligations grew heavier, the rest of the peasantry and the rank-and-file Cossacks became impoverished, and the Hetman state became an increasingly regimented class society in which only the officer class had special privileges. Town dwellers also began to lose their political autonomy, although large cities and towns continued to be ruled under Magdeburg law. At the same time class barriers were created: eg, it was forbidden for a peasant to become a Cossack. The legal system of the state was derived from a variety of sources, particularly the 1648 Polish edition of the Lithuanian Statute (see Code of Laws of 1743).

  964. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Although I can understand Tolkien's dissatisfaction with Disney, especially after watching this clip, I grew up in the era when Disney's classic films were being made and loved watching them. Of course they're nothing like that anymore, and Tolkien's disgust with the Disney studios would have no doubt grown exponentially with the faire being churned out today. Tolkien probably didn't like Cinerama's extravaganza "The Wonderful World of the Brother's Grimm" too, but I loved watching it, especially on the super large screen that was especially developed for this type of film. There was something magical and funny about watching Buddy Hackett engage in combat with a giant dragon:

    https://youtu.be/hiASEIz3qrg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @songbird

    Wonder what sort of Cinderella Tolkien would have put on screen and whether he would have let in children.

    Would really like to revive some of these great reactionaries of the past, like GK Chesterton and Tolkien to see what they would say of modern Disney.

    Never heard of that film before. Was the screen really shaped like that? It seems very disorienting.

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    A good director tries to focus the eye in one spot, at one time, and I think a screen expanded toward the edges would interfere with that.

    They need different directors for toddlers as their eyes are shiftier and constantly moving around.

    Modern directors seem worse at focusing the eye, in part because there is a trend to put more details on screen.

    I watched the first hour of Star Trek STD, many years ago when it came out, and thought it was a very ugly ship and the camera work (always moving) made me want to throw up. And that is to say nothing about the rest of the show, which was equally horrible.

    I really hate this trend to spin the camera around for no reason and also quick-cuts.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    The screen was of I-MAX proportions. The view was straight on with no curvature noticeable. What was super cool is that the screen was covered entirely with a huge, sumptuous curtain that would slowly open up at the very beginning, close at halftime, reopen again (very slowly). And then close again at the very end. It all lent to a very dramatic effect!

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/How_Cinerama_is_projected.gif/220px-How_Cinerama_is_projected.gif

    Read all about it here (quite interesting information):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinerama

    https://slphistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/CooperRobButlerFall1990web.jpg
    Cinerama Twin Cities. They were located all over the world.

    Replies: @songbird

  965. @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    His complaints sound like the complaints of those who were victims of the Mongol onslaught - it was the punishment of God for our sins, the peasants did to us what we did to them. It would have been interesting to hear his other reasons.

    The reason for Khmelnytsky's successful rebellion was that the petty gentry with excellent military experience, such as Khmelnytsky, joined the peasants en masse in opposition to the local magnates. Their grievances were more fatal to the unity of the Commonwealth than were those of the peasants (whose plight in Ukraine was actually less severe than in Poland itself). And of course, they would end up screwing themselves, and the peasants, and their people even more as a consequence of their treason. Ukrainians have been trying to undo the turn to Moscow for centuries.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    It would have been interesting to hear his other reasons.

    I agree. If more of his diary is available somewhere, I know of one super sleuth that would be able to locate it…

    My point in bringing this up is that I think at times you over emphasize the positive aspects of close Ukrainian/Polish relations. It seems that in 1648 different spheres of Ukrainian society were fed up with things as they were, and were in dire need of some serious changes. I’m not sure that such change was ever, unfortunately, really achieved?…

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    My point in bringing this up is that I think at times you over emphasize the positive aspects of close Ukrainian/Polish relations.
     
    The Magnates, however, were more likely to be Rus magnates than Polish ones. Indeed, Radziwill (whose family were actually Lithuanians) seems to have had more sympathy for the peasants than the Rus magnates did. This was much more of a intra-Rus conflict than it was a Rus versus Polish one.

    It seems that in 1648 different spheres of Ukrainian society were fed up with things as they were, and were in dire need of some serious changes. I’m not sure that such change was ever, unfortunately, really achieved?…
     
    In the short term there was a mixed result in the short term: the petty gentry and peasants experienced improvement in their circumstances, but at the heavy price of a lot of devastation (Khmelnytsky let his Tatar allies plunder Ukraine and carry off a lot of peasants into the Crimean slave markets). In the medium term, until Mazepa's defeat, there was some flourishing of culture (though this arguably would have happened anyways). But in the long term it was a disaster: peasants were enserfed again, petty gentry became worse off than they had been within the Commonwealth, and either lost their noble status completely or were reduced to servants of the Russian state. A small number of higher ranking Cossack officers who adopted the role of magnate did well, mixing with the Russian nobility.
  966. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Wonder what sort of Cinderella Tolkien would have put on screen and whether he would have let in children.

    Would really like to revive some of these great reactionaries of the past, like GK Chesterton and Tolkien to see what they would say of modern Disney.


    Never heard of that film before. Was the screen really shaped like that? It seems very disorienting.

    A good director tries to focus the eye in one spot, at one time, and I think a screen expanded toward the edges would interfere with that.

    They need different directors for toddlers as their eyes are shiftier and constantly moving around.

    Modern directors seem worse at focusing the eye, in part because there is a trend to put more details on screen.

    I watched the first hour of Star Trek STD, many years ago when it came out, and thought it was a very ugly ship and the camera work (always moving) made me want to throw up. And that is to say nothing about the rest of the show, which was equally horrible.

    I really hate this trend to spin the camera around for no reason and also quick-cuts.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    The screen was of I-MAX proportions. The view was straight on with no curvature noticeable. What was super cool is that the screen was covered entirely with a huge, sumptuous curtain that would slowly open up at the very beginning, close at halftime, reopen again (very slowly). And then close again at the very end. It all lent to a very dramatic effect!

    Read all about it here (quite interesting information):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinerama

    Cinerama Twin Cities. They were located all over the world.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    close at halftime
     
    I sometimes wish they brought intermissions back. Though it has been quite a while since I was in a theater. I saw Return of the King in the theater and it was quite a struggle to sit still for that long.

    Thanks, that was very interesting. Had no idea that expanding the screen had been so technically complicated.

    Had heard that they had abandoned earlier efforts to do so because of the Great Depression, but it was kind of hard for me to understand, why they just didn't use different film stock. But I guess everything is tied to the lens. Even Cinemascope, which didn't use a curved screen, used adapters on projectors and somehow compressed the image in a distorted way, when it was being shot.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CinemaScope

    The only curved theater I ever went to was this one. Nimoy, who was a native of a completely torn down neighborhood (West End) narrated at the start, before they played any film.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mugar_Omni_Theater

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  967. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    The screen was of I-MAX proportions. The view was straight on with no curvature noticeable. What was super cool is that the screen was covered entirely with a huge, sumptuous curtain that would slowly open up at the very beginning, close at halftime, reopen again (very slowly). And then close again at the very end. It all lent to a very dramatic effect!

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/How_Cinerama_is_projected.gif/220px-How_Cinerama_is_projected.gif

    Read all about it here (quite interesting information):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinerama

    https://slphistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/CooperRobButlerFall1990web.jpg
    Cinerama Twin Cities. They were located all over the world.

    Replies: @songbird

    close at halftime

    I sometimes wish they brought intermissions back. Though it has been quite a while since I was in a theater. I saw Return of the King in the theater and it was quite a struggle to sit still for that long.

    Thanks, that was very interesting. Had no idea that expanding the screen had been so technically complicated.

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    Had heard that they had abandoned earlier efforts to do so because of the Great Depression, but it was kind of hard for me to understand, why they just didn’t use different film stock. But I guess everything is tied to the lens. Even Cinemascope, which didn’t use a curved screen, used adapters on projectors and somehow compressed the image in a distorted way, when it was being shot.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CinemaScope

    The only curved theater I ever went to was this one. Nimoy, who was a native of a completely torn down neighborhood (West End) narrated at the start, before they played any film.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mugar_Omni_Theater

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I can only remember watching about a half dozen of the Cinerama movies back in the day. It was not an everyday sort of affair, but more of a sunday afternoon one with the whole family bundling up and driving to the theater decked out in some nice clothing too. Dad was an amateur photographer who owned several different Leica cameras, so I'm sure watching these films on the large screen was kind of mind blowing for him. Anyway, reviewing the wiki article that I enclosed, there's a large listing of all of the films created back then for this new technology, many that I never saw.

    I've wondered why IMAX has never tried to dust off the canisters including these films and reshow them for a new audience...of aging boomers? I'd definitely buy a ticket to see some of the ones that I already remember seeing as a kid, and also many more that I never saw before. It's not as if IMAX is regularly showing high priced major features (a lot of documentaries, as I recall), and here's a whole treasure trove of great films, and boomers I suspect would be willing to view these films for a second time, not to mention serious younger film buffs to. The technologies back then must be compatible with what IMAX uses today:


    Year Title Filmed in Notes
    1952 This Is Cinerama 3-Strip Cinerama re-released in 1972 in 70 mm Cinerama
    1955 Cinerama Holiday 3-Strip Cinerama
    1956 Seven Wonders of the World 3-Strip Cinerama
    1957 Search for Paradise 3-Strip Cinerama
    1958 South Seas Adventure 3-Strip Cinerama
    1958 Windjammer 3-strip Cinemiracle Later exhibited in Cinerama
    1962 The Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm 3-Strip Cinerama
    1962 Holiday in Spain Todd-70 A re-edited version of Scent of Mystery; converted to 3-strip Cinemiracle and exhibited in both Cinemiracle and Cinerama
    1962 How The West Was Won 3-strip Cinerama Some sequences were filmed in Ultra Panavision 70
    1963 The Best of Cinerama 3-Strip Cinerama
    1963 It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World Ultra Panavision 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1964 Circus World Super Technirama 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1964 Mediterranean Holiday MCS-70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1965 The Golden Head Super Technirama 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama in Europe only
    1965 La Fayette Super Technirama 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama in Europe only
    1965 Chronicle of Flaming Years Sovscope 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama in Europe only
    1965 The Black Tulip MCS-70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama in Europe only
    1965 The Greatest Story Ever Told Ultra Panavision 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1965 The Hallelujah Trail Ultra Panavision 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1965 Battle of the Bulge Ultra Panavision 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1966 Cinerama's Russian Adventure Kinopanorama Presented in both 3-strip and 70 mm Cinerama
    1966 Khartoum Ultra Panavision 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1966 Grand Prix Super Panavision 70 with some sequences in MCS-70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1967 Custer of the West Super Technirama 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1968 2001: A Space Odyssey Super Panavision 70 with some scenes in Todd-AO and MCS-70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1968 Ice Station Zebra Super Panavision 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1969 Krakatoa, East of Java Super Panavision 70 and Todd-AO Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1970 Song of Norway Super Panavision 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama in UK and Canada only
    1972 The Great Waltz 35 mm Panavision Presented in 70 mm Cinerama in UK only
    1974 Run, Run, Joe! Todd-AO 35 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama in UK only
    2015 The Hateful Eight Ultra Panav

  968. @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    …Ukraine declared independence before being forced in the Soviet Union
     
    So did Catalonia, Palestine, Sub-carpathia and quite a few other places. Anyone can ‘declare’ things, without the ability to make it work it means very little.

    Putin made it sound like they were created by Stalin. Ukraine was forcefully occupied by the USSR which was before Stalin took power. Not a single Soviet state joined voluntarily.

    They UN voted 143-5 that Ukraine is a state and Russia is the unjust aggressor. Putin didn't even get his pal India in on that vote. Russia and Belarus are part of the 5.


    Russia swore to protect and defend the autonomy of Ukraine as part of the 1994 Budapest Memorandum

     

    They didn’t – it was a memorandum, a statement never approved by Duma or any Russian institution.

    So everything that Putin does without Duma approval is invalid? Is that right?


    Russia was technically a Communist area of administration and not a state from 1917-1991
     
    Sure, and you ‘technically’ a moron. The sci-fi infantile nonsense lowers even the other poor arguments you are making.

    Do explain how the Russian Empire existed during the Soviet Union when the goal of Marxists was to eliminate the state itself along with nationalism.

    You are saying historians are wrong to state that the Russian Empire ended in 1917?

    USSR Republics were technically administrative regions under the Communist party in Moscow. They were not independent states that could leave at any time:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republics_of_the_Soviet_Union


    The first Slavic empire was headed in Kiev
     
    It was called Rus, not Ukraine.

    Well this Wikipedia article says you are wrong:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27#In_popular_culture

    Given your history I will assume Wikepedia is correct. Feel free to get into an edit war with them.

    Do you know that 1,000 years ago England was a Norman colony?

    Putin and other Russians leave the Kievan Rus' period out. It's quite telling just as they leave out the part of Russian princes getting on their knees likes whores for the Mongols. Or the rebellion where the Russian prince sided with the Mongols cause he wanted to keep his stuff even it meant prostrating himself.

    They had to physically prostrate themselves to show their servitude:

    https://cdni.rbth.com/rbthmedia/images/2020.06/original/5ee76c9c15e9f9031314be85.jpg

    Replies: @Beckow

    So everything that Putin does without Duma approval is invalid?

    Budapest Memorandum was in 1994, “Putin” wasn’t around. It was an unsigned piece of paper so Russia had no obligation to follow it. It also specifically said that Ukraine will be neutral – Kiev broke that.

    NATO countries made promises repeatedly not to expand Nato – is everything their leaders say invalid?

    “Rus” is the core of the word “Russia” – it was called Rus. Ukraine was the term coined much later as Poland’s “borderland”, that’s what it means. It also applied to the western and maybe parts of the central Ukieland of today – the east and south didn’t belong to it. Yes, commies attached them to Ukraine. Putin is correct, it is simply true.

    Ukies outside the Western Galicia called themselves Russians or Malo-Russians, but mostly just Orthodox or sometimes Cossacks. I have no issue with the Ukrainian identity eventually forming in the 18.-19. century, but they are very similar to Russians and Belorussians, Putin was correct.

    You on the other hand know nothing and talk only hatred and bu..hit. It only shows how desperate you are.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    It only shows how desperate you are.
     
    It is only natural that Western propaganda (along with its mouthpieces) is desperate. It is at a huge disadvantage. Putin does not need to lie. Hence, Russian propaganda does not invent “facts”, although, being propaganda, it puts a certain spin on them, which one may or may not agree with. In contrast, Western propaganda has to invent “facts”, because objectively it is in the wrong. So, it’s full of blatant lies, often presented as “comrade Ogilvy” stories. Remember zillions of hospitals in Aleppo before bandits were kicked out of it? Where are all those “hospitals” now? Ever see them mentioned? Or do you see Darfur or South Sudan mentioned by Western MSM?

    Western propaganda cannot acknowledge true facts: the reality is politically incorrect.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @sudden death
    @Beckow


    It also specifically said that Ukraine will be neutral – Kiev broke that.
     
    Yet another open lie - there's no single word or sentence about neutrality or obligation to become/stay neutral for UA:

    https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/volume-3007-I-52241.pdf

    Replies: @Beckow

  969. @AP
    @Beckow


    Your made-up history is nonsense. Deal with reality: Russia defeated Germany in WW2
     
    Lol.

    Uneducated moron doesn’t even know the difference between Russia and the USSR.

    “Russia” did not defeat Germany. Russians were about half the population of a country that defeated Germany.

    Dmitry stated the obvious, that even 10 year old have learned this. But you have not. Poor educational system?


    If Germany had not attacked France and UK they would do the same [do nothing as Germany murdered Poles]
     
    Maybe. So? At least they would not have been allies, as Soviets were.

    you became about as poor as persecuted Blacks in an American ghetto

    Riiight….and that would be why? Because they had more TV sets or shoes
     

    And cars, etc.

    I wrote materially. Do you know what that means?


    You are literally retarded when it comes to understanding quality of life: work, education, vacations, health care, housing, safety,
     
    I wasn’t discussing it. You can’t tell the difference? We know from PISA that Slovaks do r read very well.

    You are the one who brought up “quadrupled living standards.” Education and safety did not “quadruple.” Money did. And by that standard you underperformed. You were about as poor as persecuted Blacks in the American ghetto. Who also got free healthcare, that was probably better then yours.

    Now you want to change the subject to stuff that exists independently of socialism like street crime or appreciation for literature and theatre. Yes, poor Czechs lived more pleasantly than richer Blacks in American ghettos. So?


    Yeah, 1980’s Prague or Budapest was just like “Haarlem
     
    They were probably poorer. Communism didn’t make Prague or Budapest safer (they were safe before and after) but it made them much poorer than non-Commie places. Pathetically so.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …the difference between Russia and the USSR.

    Once you morons start using USSR for what you call bad stuff – “Stalin”, Bolshies, etc… – we can use it. You like to have it both ways: lying about “only Russians” when it suits you, then trying to include yourself in the WW2 victory or other good stuff. You are inconsistent. Russia won WW2 as they also beat France, Poland, Sweden,Turkey before. Do you want to invent some geographic term for that too? You medicate yourself, all that hatred of “Russia” and and you keep on suffering losses. Another one today…

    I wrote materially…

    Yeah, “materially” your ghetto blacks in Haarlem were driving more cars. Or were they? Nobody cares, they lived and live like sh..t – so did your 50% of lower whites and mestizos. They lived incomparably worse than people in Prague or Budapest (probably even Warsaw).

    they were safe before…helathcare, education…

    Look at the data: in pre-commie Czecho-slovakia only 15% people had higher educationof any kind and only 30% had healthcare – government employees, 5-10% rich, some minimal charity. It was too expensive for the majority. Under commies everyone immediately got it for free and it was good quality. Same with vacations, pensions, jobs… Everyone had it.

    The crime went down 80% from 1930’s when Prague was a dirty madhouse with hundreds of thousands of poor, street crime, homeless, poor infrastructure…that’s one thing commies were really good at: they didn’t play games with criminals.

    You are ignorant. What you are doing is that you are deeply insecure about the sh..ty life for most people in America so you make up things. It is a way to cope – you live in made-up propaganda that any normal person sees through. You should see professional help, lying about how good the “ghetto blacks” had it is no way to remain sane…

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    I told you before that once you morons start using USSR for all the bad stuff – “Stalin”, Bolshies, whatever, etc
     
    Your excuses for ignorantly not knowing the difference between Russia and the USSR don't matter and aren't very interesting. Feel free to demonstrate your ignorance, it makes your complaints about American education funny.

    I wrote materially…

    Yeah, “materially” your ghetto blacks in Haarlem
     
    You bragged about quadrupling during socialism, which refers to material advancement, so I naturally pointed out that on the terms you yourself brought up, your people were worse off than persecuted Blacks in the US ghettos. You were materially poorer. You had fewer and worse TVs, fewer automobiles, shoes, etc.

    Now you want to change the subject to something different. But those things had nothing to do with socialism. Unless you propose that socialism prevented Slovaks from killing one another over tennis shoes? If so you have a very poor opinion of your people.

    In this discussion you have demonstrated not only ignorance about basic things (Russia versus USSR; material prosperity) but inability to reason effectively. Why is that? Slovak education system?

    Look at the data: in pre-commie Czecho-slovakia only 15% people had higher education of any kind and only 30% had healthcare – government employees, 5-10% rich, some minimal charity.
     
    So it was in most places in the 1930s compared to the 1970s-1980s. So? The others managed to achieve this without relative Socialist impoverishment.

    The crime went down 80% from 1930’s when Prague was a dirty madhouse with hundreds of thousands of poor, street crime, homeless, poor infrastructure
     
    I couldn't find crime stats for Czechoslovakia in the 1930s but given your love of lying I won't take your claim seriously.

    I did find homicide states for other European countries:

    https://i.stack.imgur.com/ANNH1.png

    They were much higher in the 1930s than later, and did not require communist governments to come down. Are you saying that something was so wrong with Eastern Europeans that only socialist dictatorships could force them to stop committing crimes, unlike Germans, Swedes, Italians, etc.?

    Moreover, the homicide rates weren't even that high, other than perhaps Italy.

    What you are doing is that you are deeply insecure about the sh..ty life for most people in America so you make up things. It is a way to cope – you live in made-up propaganda that any normal person sees through
     
    Interesting projection.. You were a loser who failed to make it in America (California), went back and now talk about how sour those grapes were. Granted, coming back to Slovakia is nicer than coming back to Kazan. It's why the other loser stayed in the English sh**hole.

    So sorry you failed here.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

  970. @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    It would have been interesting to hear his other reasons.
     
    I agree. If more of his diary is available somewhere, I know of one super sleuth that would be able to locate it...

    My point in bringing this up is that I think at times you over emphasize the positive aspects of close Ukrainian/Polish relations. It seems that in 1648 different spheres of Ukrainian society were fed up with things as they were, and were in dire need of some serious changes. I'm not sure that such change was ever, unfortunately, really achieved?...

    Replies: @AP

    My point in bringing this up is that I think at times you over emphasize the positive aspects of close Ukrainian/Polish relations.

    The Magnates, however, were more likely to be Rus magnates than Polish ones. Indeed, Radziwill (whose family were actually Lithuanians) seems to have had more sympathy for the peasants than the Rus magnates did. This was much more of a intra-Rus conflict than it was a Rus versus Polish one.

    It seems that in 1648 different spheres of Ukrainian society were fed up with things as they were, and were in dire need of some serious changes. I’m not sure that such change was ever, unfortunately, really achieved?…

    In the short term there was a mixed result in the short term: the petty gentry and peasants experienced improvement in their circumstances, but at the heavy price of a lot of devastation (Khmelnytsky let his Tatar allies plunder Ukraine and carry off a lot of peasants into the Crimean slave markets). In the medium term, until Mazepa’s defeat, there was some flourishing of culture (though this arguably would have happened anyways). But in the long term it was a disaster: peasants were enserfed again, petty gentry became worse off than they had been within the Commonwealth, and either lost their noble status completely or were reduced to servants of the Russian state. A small number of higher ranking Cossack officers who adopted the role of magnate did well, mixing with the Russian nobility.

  971. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    So everything that Putin does without Duma approval is invalid?
     
    Budapest Memorandum was in 1994, “Putin” wasn’t around. It was an unsigned piece of paper so Russia had no obligation to follow it. It also specifically said that Ukraine will be neutral – Kiev broke that.

    NATO countries made promises repeatedly not to expand Nato – is everything their leaders say invalid?

    “Rus” is the core of the word “Russia” – it was called Rus. Ukraine was the term coined much later as Poland’s “borderland”, that’s what it means. It also applied to the western and maybe parts of the central Ukieland of today - the east and south didn't belong to it. Yes, commies attached them to Ukraine. Putin is correct, it is simply true.

    Ukies outside the Western Galicia called themselves Russians or Malo-Russians, but mostly just Orthodox or sometimes Cossacks. I have no issue with the Ukrainian identity eventually forming in the 18.-19. century, but they are very similar to Russians and Belorussians, Putin was correct.

    You on the other hand know nothing and talk only hatred and bu..hit. It only shows how desperate you are.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @sudden death

    It only shows how desperate you are.

    It is only natural that Western propaganda (along with its mouthpieces) is desperate. It is at a huge disadvantage. Putin does not need to lie. Hence, Russian propaganda does not invent “facts”, although, being propaganda, it puts a certain spin on them, which one may or may not agree with. In contrast, Western propaganda has to invent “facts”, because objectively it is in the wrong. So, it’s full of blatant lies, often presented as “comrade Ogilvy” stories. Remember zillions of hospitals in Aleppo before bandits were kicked out of it? Where are all those “hospitals” now? Ever see them mentioned? Or do you see Darfur or South Sudan mentioned by Western MSM?

    Western propaganda cannot acknowledge true facts: the reality is politically incorrect.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN


    ...Western propaganda has to invent “facts”
     
    That's a sign they realize they are now slowly losing. Every country has its narratives: a selective compilation of true facts put together to create a story. If the selection is too much and borders on mythology - like "Normandy landing won WW2" it becomes pathological. That's what the Ukie side is doing: they have a weak case so they omit half of the facts and emotionalize. That's no way to win a "war" - it only makes them look dishonorable.

    I am struck by the sadness of the Ukie situation - they are watching their country slowly destroyed, men killed, yearnings shuttered. Most escape into individual lives and leave the Ukieland madness it behind. But the committed ones are making up feel-good stories, wait for miracles, lie to themselves.

    My suspicion is that Zaluzhny&Co. confronted Zelko and his merry band of the Nato warriors with a plan to retreat and save what can be saved (Galicia, Kiev, etc...). It would be a rational thing to do, but I doubt Russia would now agree. The problem is that the ones in charge (they are not in Kiev) wanted more: Crimea, mono-national Ukraine in Nato as a permanent threat to Russia, maybe even to destabilize and break up Russia.

    A classical over-reach, it had no chance to work. You don't bluff a stronger opponent, he calls you on it, and then you refuse to accept what happened. It is just sad.

  972. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    So everything that Putin does without Duma approval is invalid?
     
    Budapest Memorandum was in 1994, “Putin” wasn’t around. It was an unsigned piece of paper so Russia had no obligation to follow it. It also specifically said that Ukraine will be neutral – Kiev broke that.

    NATO countries made promises repeatedly not to expand Nato – is everything their leaders say invalid?

    “Rus” is the core of the word “Russia” – it was called Rus. Ukraine was the term coined much later as Poland’s “borderland”, that’s what it means. It also applied to the western and maybe parts of the central Ukieland of today - the east and south didn't belong to it. Yes, commies attached them to Ukraine. Putin is correct, it is simply true.

    Ukies outside the Western Galicia called themselves Russians or Malo-Russians, but mostly just Orthodox or sometimes Cossacks. I have no issue with the Ukrainian identity eventually forming in the 18.-19. century, but they are very similar to Russians and Belorussians, Putin was correct.

    You on the other hand know nothing and talk only hatred and bu..hit. It only shows how desperate you are.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @sudden death

    It also specifically said that Ukraine will be neutral – Kiev broke that.

    Yet another open lie – there’s no single word or sentence about neutrality or obligation to become/stay neutral for UA:

    https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/volume-3007-I-52241.pdf

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @sudden death

    It was in the accompanying statements that Kiev made. Given that the piece of paper ('Memorandum') was never ratified, the statements including assurances that Nato will not expand east, are as valid as the text. Or as Nato now claims it is all invalid.

    It can only be one or the other - you don't get to pick which verbal or non-ratified statements are observed. But you know this, you are just blabbing out of desperation. It means nothing.

    Replies: @sudden death

  973. Good news for defenders against senseless Muslim agression: (1)

    IDF Rescues 2 Israeli Hostages in Rafah —
    After Biden Warned Israel Not to Go There

    According to online biographies, both hostage are originally from Argentina. Their release comes after the visit last week of Argentinian President Javier Milei, who visited families of Argentinian-Israeli hostages and survivors of the October 7 terror attack. Both men were abducted from Kibbutz Nir Yitzchak during the October 7 terror attack.

    Incoming President Mileli is respected and gets his people back.

    Not-The-President Biden supports Hamas and is ignored. Is there anyone who takes the White House occupant’s administration seriously? We certainly do not do so here in the U.S.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/02/11/idf-rescues-2-israeli-hostages-in-rafah-after-biden-warned-israel-not-to-go-there/

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Is there anyone who takes the White House occupant’s administration seriously? We certainly do not do so here in the U.S.
     
    Not quite correct. Officially, Libtards and other no-trumpers consider corrupt senile half-corpse as president. I don’t know whether they are mad enough to really think that, but at least they pretend that they do. Sadly, these people are 35-40% of the US population.
  974. @Matra
    @Mr. XYZ


    e best Slavs overall would probably be Czechs. Smart, relatively industrious (especially for a Slavic people), relatively non-corrupt
     
    Based on my recent, though admittedly brief, trip to Slovenia I think they are #1 in the Slav world. Basically, from an outside perspective, they are southern Germans who speak a Slavic language. And unlike Prague, with its dirty streets and shifty, thieving business owners, the locals in Ljubljana have well-maintained streets and buildings and come across as orderly and high trust-oriented. I can see why they were a bad fit for YugoSloboSlavia.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP, @Beckow

    …unlike Prague, with its dirty streets and shifty, thieving business owners, the locals in Ljubljana have well-maintained streets and buildings and come across as orderly

    Ljubljana is a small very underwhelming town. I am not sure how much they steal, I didn’t stay long enough. But it felt like a wanna-be, underdeveloped, orderly, small city. A second-tier city like Klagenfurt or Plzen.

    Prague is an actual metropolis with great infrastructure: subway, streetcars, restaurants, hotels, trains…it has recent migrants, mainly Ukies and too many American-British-Dutch tourists of color – one can barely find a white one among the younger ones, but the retirees are almost all white.

    You are right about the Prague business owners, they cheat because they can – the tourists keep on coming like sheep to the slaughter. It is the same in Italy, Paris, London, Greece. If Ljubljana ever rises to be an attraction the same will happen. I wouldn’t generalize too much, although big-city Czechs can be dicks, we are not sure why…:)

    • Replies: @WS
    @Beckow


    Ljubljana is a small very underwhelming town. But it felt like a wanna-be, underdeveloped, orderly, small city. A second-tier city like Klagenfurt or Plzen.
     
    Ouch, not Klagenfurt...., maybe Salzburg, Graz, even Bratislava.....Warning: Overall, Ljubljana is a very safe city to travel to. Violent crime is rare and petty theft should be your only concern, so make sure you watch out for the pickpockets and bag snatchers!

    BTW train reached Ljubljana from Wien on August 19, 1849, on the nineteenth birthday of Franz Joseph I, His Imperial and Royal Apostolic Majesty,
    By the Grace of God Emperor of Austria,
    King of Hungary and Bohemia, Dalmatia, Croatia, Slavonia, Galicia, Lodomeria and Illyria;
    King of Jerusalem, etc.;
    Archduke of Austria;
    Grand Duke of Tuscany and Cracow;
    Duke of Lorraine, Salzburg, Styria, Carinthia, Carniola and Bukovina;
    Grand Prince of Transylvania, Margrave of Moravia;
    Duke of Upper and Lower Silesia, of Modena, Parma, Piacenza and Guastalla, of Auschwitz and Zator, of Teschen, Friaul, Ragusa and Zara;
    Princely Count of Habsburg and Tyrol, of Kyburg, Gorizia and Gradisca;
    Prince of Trento and Brixen;
    Margrave of Upper and Lower Lusatia and in Istria;
    Count of Hohenems, Feldkirch, Bregenz, Sonnenberg etc.;
    Lord of Trieste, of Cattaro and on the Windic March;
    Grand Voivode of the Voivodeship of Serbia
    etc., etc.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    99% of the planet cannot distinguish Slovenia and Slovakia.

    Slovenia has a handsome shepherd dog!

    https://www.bil-jac.com/media/3jnhvpl1/karst-shepherd-183052509.jpg

  975. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...the difference between Russia and the USSR.
     
    Once you morons start using USSR for what you call bad stuff - "Stalin", Bolshies, etc... - we can use it. You like to have it both ways: lying about "only Russians" when it suits you, then trying to include yourself in the WW2 victory or other good stuff. You are inconsistent. Russia won WW2 as they also beat France, Poland, Sweden,Turkey before. Do you want to invent some geographic term for that too? You medicate yourself, all that hatred of "Russia" and and you keep on suffering losses. Another one today...

    I wrote materially...
     
    Yeah, "materially" your ghetto blacks in Haarlem were driving more cars. Or were they? Nobody cares, they lived and live like sh..t - so did your 50% of lower whites and mestizos. They lived incomparably worse than people in Prague or Budapest (probably even Warsaw).

    they were safe before...helathcare, education...
     
    Look at the data: in pre-commie Czecho-slovakia only 15% people had higher educationof any kind and only 30% had healthcare - government employees, 5-10% rich, some minimal charity. It was too expensive for the majority. Under commies everyone immediately got it for free and it was good quality. Same with vacations, pensions, jobs... Everyone had it.

    The crime went down 80% from 1930's when Prague was a dirty madhouse with hundreds of thousands of poor, street crime, homeless, poor infrastructure...that's one thing commies were really good at: they didn't play games with criminals.

    You are ignorant. What you are doing is that you are deeply insecure about the sh..ty life for most people in America so you make up things. It is a way to cope - you live in made-up propaganda that any normal person sees through. You should see professional help, lying about how good the "ghetto blacks" had it is no way to remain sane...

    Replies: @AP

    I told you before that once you morons start using USSR for all the bad stuff – “Stalin”, Bolshies, whatever, etc

    Your excuses for ignorantly not knowing the difference between Russia and the USSR don’t matter and aren’t very interesting. Feel free to demonstrate your ignorance, it makes your complaints about American education funny.

    I wrote materially…

    Yeah, “materially” your ghetto blacks in Haarlem

    You bragged about quadrupling during socialism, which refers to material advancement, so I naturally pointed out that on the terms you yourself brought up, your people were worse off than persecuted Blacks in the US ghettos. You were materially poorer. You had fewer and worse TVs, fewer automobiles, shoes, etc.

    Now you want to change the subject to something different. But those things had nothing to do with socialism. Unless you propose that socialism prevented Slovaks from killing one another over tennis shoes? If so you have a very poor opinion of your people.

    In this discussion you have demonstrated not only ignorance about basic things (Russia versus USSR; material prosperity) but inability to reason effectively. Why is that? Slovak education system?

    Look at the data: in pre-commie Czecho-slovakia only 15% people had higher education of any kind and only 30% had healthcare – government employees, 5-10% rich, some minimal charity.

    So it was in most places in the 1930s compared to the 1970s-1980s. So? The others managed to achieve this without relative Socialist impoverishment.

    The crime went down 80% from 1930’s when Prague was a dirty madhouse with hundreds of thousands of poor, street crime, homeless, poor infrastructure

    I couldn’t find crime stats for Czechoslovakia in the 1930s but given your love of lying I won’t take your claim seriously.

    I did find homicide states for other European countries:

    They were much higher in the 1930s than later, and did not require communist governments to come down. Are you saying that something was so wrong with Eastern Europeans that only socialist dictatorships could force them to stop committing crimes, unlike Germans, Swedes, Italians, etc.?

    Moreover, the homicide rates weren’t even that high, other than perhaps Italy.

    What you are doing is that you are deeply insecure about the sh..ty life for most people in America so you make up things. It is a way to cope – you live in made-up propaganda that any normal person sees through

    Interesting projection.. You were a loser who failed to make it in America (California), went back and now talk about how sour those grapes were. Granted, coming back to Slovakia is nicer than coming back to Kazan. It’s why the other loser stayed in the English sh**hole.

    So sorry you failed here.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    Very poor argumenation. Even in your data UK, Sweden (and probably US from what I hear about the 1960's to 80's) had no drop in crime. But whatever, you are just medicating yourself since you know nothing about what life was like. I meet more intelligent Westies (even Americans) who openly say: we were lied to, these are really nice places. Maybe Galicia was and is a shit..hole, enjoy it. And don't bother with your made-up "data" based on unverifiable exchange rates in some distant past. It is gooblydygook...we know what it was like.

    You don't understand anything. Life in Czecho-slovakia or Hungary was nothing like your propaganda. The 1950-90 were the most successful decades we ever had until that time. The argument that it could had been "even better" is nonsensical. It always can, it could had been better in US or Italy too. But it was what it was, so don't lie about it.

    You know nothing about me - or I about you - so your fabulating is silly. Ad-hominem is always a sign that you lost the argument. You did.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Moreover, the homicide rates weren’t even that high, other than perhaps Italy.

     

    Early 20th century Italy was almost at pre-BLM US homicide levels. Or comparable to US Hispanic homicide levels, I think.

    You were a loser who failed to make it in America (California), went back and now talk about how sour those grapes were.
     
    Did Beckow ever acquire US citizenship? If one was lucky enough to make it to the US, one would think that one should try to stay in the US at almost any cost, no? Did Beckow leave the US before he even got a Green Card? And was he able to get into the US in the first place through a program such as the Diversity Visa Lottery?
  976. @sudden death
    @Beckow


    It also specifically said that Ukraine will be neutral – Kiev broke that.
     
    Yet another open lie - there's no single word or sentence about neutrality or obligation to become/stay neutral for UA:

    https://treaties.un.org/doc/Publication/UNTS/Volume%203007/Part/volume-3007-I-52241.pdf

    Replies: @Beckow

    It was in the accompanying statements that Kiev made. Given that the piece of paper (‘Memorandum’) was never ratified, the statements including assurances that Nato will not expand east, are as valid as the text. Or as Nato now claims it is all invalid.

    It can only be one or the other – you don’t get to pick which verbal or non-ratified statements are observed. But you know this, you are just blabbing out of desperation. It means nothing.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Beckow

    If it meant nothing you wouldn't be lying so desperately about it;)



    It was in the accompanying statements that Kiev made.

     

    As long as no sources/links are given, quite safe to assume it's just another lie of yours.
  977. @A123
    Good news for defenders against senseless Muslim agression: (1)

    IDF Rescues 2 Israeli Hostages in Rafah —
    After Biden Warned Israel Not to Go There

     

    According to online biographies, both hostage are originally from Argentina. Their release comes after the visit last week of Argentinian President Javier Milei, who visited families of Argentinian-Israeli hostages and survivors of the October 7 terror attack. Both men were abducted from Kibbutz Nir Yitzchak during the October 7 terror attack.
     
    Incoming President Mileli is respected and gets his people back.

    Not-The-President Biden supports Hamas and is ignored. Is there anyone who takes the White House occupant's administration seriously? We certainly do not do so here in the U.S.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/02/11/idf-rescues-2-israeli-hostages-in-rafah-after-biden-warned-israel-not-to-go-there/

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Is there anyone who takes the White House occupant’s administration seriously? We certainly do not do so here in the U.S.

    Not quite correct. Officially, Libtards and other no-trumpers consider corrupt senile half-corpse as president. I don’t know whether they are mad enough to really think that, but at least they pretend that they do. Sadly, these people are 35-40% of the US population.

    • LOL: A123
  978. @Beckow
    @Matra


    ...unlike Prague, with its dirty streets and shifty, thieving business owners, the locals in Ljubljana have well-maintained streets and buildings and come across as orderly
     
    Ljubljana is a small very underwhelming town. I am not sure how much they steal, I didn't stay long enough. But it felt like a wanna-be, underdeveloped, orderly, small city. A second-tier city like Klagenfurt or Plzen.

    Prague is an actual metropolis with great infrastructure: subway, streetcars, restaurants, hotels, trains...it has recent migrants, mainly Ukies and too many American-British-Dutch tourists of color - one can barely find a white one among the younger ones, but the retirees are almost all white.

    You are right about the Prague business owners, they cheat because they can - the tourists keep on coming like sheep to the slaughter. It is the same in Italy, Paris, London, Greece. If Ljubljana ever rises to be an attraction the same will happen. I wouldn't generalize too much, although big-city Czechs can be dicks, we are not sure why...:)

    Replies: @WS, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Ljubljana is a small very underwhelming town. But it felt like a wanna-be, underdeveloped, orderly, small city. A second-tier city like Klagenfurt or Plzen.

    Ouch, not Klagenfurt…., maybe Salzburg, Graz, even Bratislava…..Warning: Overall, Ljubljana is a very safe city to travel to. Violent crime is rare and petty theft should be your only concern, so make sure you watch out for the pickpockets and bag snatchers!

    BTW train reached Ljubljana from Wien on August 19, 1849, on the nineteenth birthday of Franz Joseph I, His Imperial and Royal Apostolic Majesty,
    By the Grace of God Emperor of Austria,
    King of Hungary and Bohemia, Dalmatia, Croatia, Slavonia, Galicia, Lodomeria and Illyria;
    King of Jerusalem, etc.;
    Archduke of Austria;
    Grand Duke of Tuscany and Cracow;
    Duke of Lorraine, Salzburg, Styria, Carinthia, Carniola and Bukovina;
    Grand Prince of Transylvania, Margrave of Moravia;
    Duke of Upper and Lower Silesia, of Modena, Parma, Piacenza and Guastalla, of Auschwitz and Zator, of Teschen, Friaul, Ragusa and Zara;
    Princely Count of Habsburg and Tyrol, of Kyburg, Gorizia and Gradisca;
    Prince of Trento and Brixen;
    Margrave of Upper and Lower Lusatia and in Istria;
    Count of Hohenems, Feldkirch, Bregenz, Sonnenberg etc.;
    Lord of Trieste, of Cattaro and on the Windic March;
    Grand Voivode of the Voivodeship of Serbia
    etc., etc.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @WS

    Ljubljana is small, not quite like Salzburg with its large old town and the Schloss. Bratislava is about twice the size. Almost all smaller Central Euro cities are very safe - it is not unique to Ljubljana. I actually liked it there, it just wasn't much...Italy has 20-30 cities like that with much better old architecture. What is great in Slovenia is the nature.

  979. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    It only shows how desperate you are.
     
    It is only natural that Western propaganda (along with its mouthpieces) is desperate. It is at a huge disadvantage. Putin does not need to lie. Hence, Russian propaganda does not invent “facts”, although, being propaganda, it puts a certain spin on them, which one may or may not agree with. In contrast, Western propaganda has to invent “facts”, because objectively it is in the wrong. So, it’s full of blatant lies, often presented as “comrade Ogilvy” stories. Remember zillions of hospitals in Aleppo before bandits were kicked out of it? Where are all those “hospitals” now? Ever see them mentioned? Or do you see Darfur or South Sudan mentioned by Western MSM?

    Western propaganda cannot acknowledge true facts: the reality is politically incorrect.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Western propaganda has to invent “facts”

    That’s a sign they realize they are now slowly losing. Every country has its narratives: a selective compilation of true facts put together to create a story. If the selection is too much and borders on mythology – like “Normandy landing won WW2″ it becomes pathological. That’s what the Ukie side is doing: they have a weak case so they omit half of the facts and emotionalize. That’s no way to win a “war” – it only makes them look dishonorable.

    I am struck by the sadness of the Ukie situation – they are watching their country slowly destroyed, men killed, yearnings shuttered. Most escape into individual lives and leave the Ukieland madness it behind. But the committed ones are making up feel-good stories, wait for miracles, lie to themselves.

    My suspicion is that Zaluzhny&Co. confronted Zelko and his merry band of the Nato warriors with a plan to retreat and save what can be saved (Galicia, Kiev, etc…). It would be a rational thing to do, but I doubt Russia would now agree. The problem is that the ones in charge (they are not in Kiev) wanted more: Crimea, mono-national Ukraine in Nato as a permanent threat to Russia, maybe even to destabilize and break up Russia.

    A classical over-reach, it had no chance to work. You don’t bluff a stronger opponent, he calls you on it, and then you refuse to accept what happened. It is just sad.

  980. @AP
    @Beckow


    I told you before that once you morons start using USSR for all the bad stuff – “Stalin”, Bolshies, whatever, etc
     
    Your excuses for ignorantly not knowing the difference between Russia and the USSR don't matter and aren't very interesting. Feel free to demonstrate your ignorance, it makes your complaints about American education funny.

    I wrote materially…

    Yeah, “materially” your ghetto blacks in Haarlem
     
    You bragged about quadrupling during socialism, which refers to material advancement, so I naturally pointed out that on the terms you yourself brought up, your people were worse off than persecuted Blacks in the US ghettos. You were materially poorer. You had fewer and worse TVs, fewer automobiles, shoes, etc.

    Now you want to change the subject to something different. But those things had nothing to do with socialism. Unless you propose that socialism prevented Slovaks from killing one another over tennis shoes? If so you have a very poor opinion of your people.

    In this discussion you have demonstrated not only ignorance about basic things (Russia versus USSR; material prosperity) but inability to reason effectively. Why is that? Slovak education system?

    Look at the data: in pre-commie Czecho-slovakia only 15% people had higher education of any kind and only 30% had healthcare – government employees, 5-10% rich, some minimal charity.
     
    So it was in most places in the 1930s compared to the 1970s-1980s. So? The others managed to achieve this without relative Socialist impoverishment.

    The crime went down 80% from 1930’s when Prague was a dirty madhouse with hundreds of thousands of poor, street crime, homeless, poor infrastructure
     
    I couldn't find crime stats for Czechoslovakia in the 1930s but given your love of lying I won't take your claim seriously.

    I did find homicide states for other European countries:

    https://i.stack.imgur.com/ANNH1.png

    They were much higher in the 1930s than later, and did not require communist governments to come down. Are you saying that something was so wrong with Eastern Europeans that only socialist dictatorships could force them to stop committing crimes, unlike Germans, Swedes, Italians, etc.?

    Moreover, the homicide rates weren't even that high, other than perhaps Italy.

    What you are doing is that you are deeply insecure about the sh..ty life for most people in America so you make up things. It is a way to cope – you live in made-up propaganda that any normal person sees through
     
    Interesting projection.. You were a loser who failed to make it in America (California), went back and now talk about how sour those grapes were. Granted, coming back to Slovakia is nicer than coming back to Kazan. It's why the other loser stayed in the English sh**hole.

    So sorry you failed here.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    Very poor argumenation. Even in your data UK, Sweden (and probably US from what I hear about the 1960’s to 80’s) had no drop in crime. But whatever, you are just medicating yourself since you know nothing about what life was like. I meet more intelligent Westies (even Americans) who openly say: we were lied to, these are really nice places. Maybe Galicia was and is a shit..hole, enjoy it. And don’t bother with your made-up “data” based on unverifiable exchange rates in some distant past. It is gooblydygook…we know what it was like.

    You don’t understand anything. Life in Czecho-slovakia or Hungary was nothing like your propaganda. The 1950-90 were the most successful decades we ever had until that time. The argument that it could had been “even better” is nonsensical. It always can, it could had been better in US or Italy too. But it was what it was, so don’t lie about it.

    You know nothing about me – or I about you – so your fabulating is silly. Ad-hominem is always a sign that you lost the argument. You did.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Even in your data UK, Sweden (and probably US from what I hear about the 1960’s to 80’s) had no drop in crime.
     
    Because UK and Sweden had very low crime to begin with.

    I meet more intelligent Westies (even Americans) who openly say: we were lied to, these are really nice places.
     
    I'm sure they are nice now, decades after the end of the Socialist idiocy. I have not been to Slovakia, but Poland is very nice. So is Lviv. I imagine Slovakia also is.

    But in 1989, compared to other European countries that were not under socialism, it was squalid.

    https://www.rug.nl/ggdc/historicaldevelopment/maddison/original-maddison

    In 1990 dollars, per capita GDP

    1948:

    Czechoslovakia: $3,088
    Austria: $2,764.
    Hungary: $2,200.
    Spain: $2,186
    Portugal: $2,046

    In 1990 dollars, 1989:

    Austria: $16,360
    Spain: $11,582.
    Portugal: $10,372

    Czechoslovakia’s: $8,768
    Hungary: $6,903.

    Czechoslovakia was even poorer than Portugal.

    But it was about 2.5x richer than it had been 40 years earlier! Lol.

    The 1950-90 were the most successful decades we ever had until that time.
     
    Meaningless because this is also true of everywhere else. It's like bragging about now having electricity or antibiotics.

    The argument that it could had been “even better” is nonsensical
     
    If you doubled your income and improved your life expectancy but your neighbors and everyone else around you quintupled theirs and improved their life expectancy even more, you would wonder what you did wrong. Of course you could fool yourself and just focus on your improvement rather than on the loss of years and relative poverty.

    Ad-hominem is always a sign that you lost the argument.
     
    I'll accept that as your confession, even if inadvertent. You who wrote "You like to parade how stupid you are.." and other such things.

    Replies: @Derer, @Gerard1234

  981. @QCIC
    @Mikhail

    At minute 21:00 there is a graphic showing the USA and Russia both had about 600,000 STEM graduates in 2016. I wonder how the quality of the grads from the two countries compare?

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Russia must be pretty good on that particular, given what has been evident on the ground in the former Ukrainian SSR.

  982. I agree that many Westies got turned off with the 25-30 minute history lesson opening in the Putin-Carlson interview. Past that are some interesting give and takes between the two. A good overview:

    Putin noted Russia honoring its 1000 year history in 1862. In the English language, numerous articles have appeared on Russian-Ukrainian history over the past few years. Offhand, I only recall one which made a point that Putin expressed in his interview with Tucker Carlson.

    https://strategic-culture.su/news/2015/09/29/reassessing-russian-ukrainian-past-present-and-future/

    From a venue that the US government has discriminated against by threatening US based Americans.

    https://original.antiwar.com/Michael_Averko/2021/12/17/ongoing-smear-campaign-against-the-strategic-culture-foundation/

  983. @Beckow
    @Matra


    ...unlike Prague, with its dirty streets and shifty, thieving business owners, the locals in Ljubljana have well-maintained streets and buildings and come across as orderly
     
    Ljubljana is a small very underwhelming town. I am not sure how much they steal, I didn't stay long enough. But it felt like a wanna-be, underdeveloped, orderly, small city. A second-tier city like Klagenfurt or Plzen.

    Prague is an actual metropolis with great infrastructure: subway, streetcars, restaurants, hotels, trains...it has recent migrants, mainly Ukies and too many American-British-Dutch tourists of color - one can barely find a white one among the younger ones, but the retirees are almost all white.

    You are right about the Prague business owners, they cheat because they can - the tourists keep on coming like sheep to the slaughter. It is the same in Italy, Paris, London, Greece. If Ljubljana ever rises to be an attraction the same will happen. I wouldn't generalize too much, although big-city Czechs can be dicks, we are not sure why...:)

    Replies: @WS, @Emil Nikola Richard

    99% of the planet cannot distinguish Slovenia and Slovakia.

    Slovenia has a handsome shepherd dog!

  984. @WS
    @Beckow


    Ljubljana is a small very underwhelming town. But it felt like a wanna-be, underdeveloped, orderly, small city. A second-tier city like Klagenfurt or Plzen.
     
    Ouch, not Klagenfurt...., maybe Salzburg, Graz, even Bratislava.....Warning: Overall, Ljubljana is a very safe city to travel to. Violent crime is rare and petty theft should be your only concern, so make sure you watch out for the pickpockets and bag snatchers!

    BTW train reached Ljubljana from Wien on August 19, 1849, on the nineteenth birthday of Franz Joseph I, His Imperial and Royal Apostolic Majesty,
    By the Grace of God Emperor of Austria,
    King of Hungary and Bohemia, Dalmatia, Croatia, Slavonia, Galicia, Lodomeria and Illyria;
    King of Jerusalem, etc.;
    Archduke of Austria;
    Grand Duke of Tuscany and Cracow;
    Duke of Lorraine, Salzburg, Styria, Carinthia, Carniola and Bukovina;
    Grand Prince of Transylvania, Margrave of Moravia;
    Duke of Upper and Lower Silesia, of Modena, Parma, Piacenza and Guastalla, of Auschwitz and Zator, of Teschen, Friaul, Ragusa and Zara;
    Princely Count of Habsburg and Tyrol, of Kyburg, Gorizia and Gradisca;
    Prince of Trento and Brixen;
    Margrave of Upper and Lower Lusatia and in Istria;
    Count of Hohenems, Feldkirch, Bregenz, Sonnenberg etc.;
    Lord of Trieste, of Cattaro and on the Windic March;
    Grand Voivode of the Voivodeship of Serbia
    etc., etc.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Ljubljana is small, not quite like Salzburg with its large old town and the Schloss. Bratislava is about twice the size. Almost all smaller Central Euro cities are very safe – it is not unique to Ljubljana. I actually liked it there, it just wasn’t much…Italy has 20-30 cities like that with much better old architecture. What is great in Slovenia is the nature.

  985. @Beckow
    @AP

    Very poor argumenation. Even in your data UK, Sweden (and probably US from what I hear about the 1960's to 80's) had no drop in crime. But whatever, you are just medicating yourself since you know nothing about what life was like. I meet more intelligent Westies (even Americans) who openly say: we were lied to, these are really nice places. Maybe Galicia was and is a shit..hole, enjoy it. And don't bother with your made-up "data" based on unverifiable exchange rates in some distant past. It is gooblydygook...we know what it was like.

    You don't understand anything. Life in Czecho-slovakia or Hungary was nothing like your propaganda. The 1950-90 were the most successful decades we ever had until that time. The argument that it could had been "even better" is nonsensical. It always can, it could had been better in US or Italy too. But it was what it was, so don't lie about it.

    You know nothing about me - or I about you - so your fabulating is silly. Ad-hominem is always a sign that you lost the argument. You did.

    Replies: @AP

    Even in your data UK, Sweden (and probably US from what I hear about the 1960’s to 80’s) had no drop in crime.

    Because UK and Sweden had very low crime to begin with.

    I meet more intelligent Westies (even Americans) who openly say: we were lied to, these are really nice places.

    I’m sure they are nice now, decades after the end of the Socialist idiocy. I have not been to Slovakia, but Poland is very nice. So is Lviv. I imagine Slovakia also is.

    But in 1989, compared to other European countries that were not under socialism, it was squalid.

    https://www.rug.nl/ggdc/historicaldevelopment/maddison/original-maddison

    In 1990 dollars, per capita GDP

    1948:

    Czechoslovakia: $3,088
    Austria: $2,764.
    Hungary: $2,200.
    Spain: $2,186
    Portugal: $2,046

    In 1990 dollars, 1989:

    Austria: $16,360
    Spain: $11,582.
    Portugal: $10,372

    Czechoslovakia’s: $8,768
    Hungary: $6,903.

    Czechoslovakia was even poorer than Portugal.

    But it was about 2.5x richer than it had been 40 years earlier! Lol.

    The 1950-90 were the most successful decades we ever had until that time.

    Meaningless because this is also true of everywhere else. It’s like bragging about now having electricity or antibiotics.

    The argument that it could had been “even better” is nonsensical

    If you doubled your income and improved your life expectancy but your neighbors and everyone else around you quintupled theirs and improved their life expectancy even more, you would wonder what you did wrong. Of course you could fool yourself and just focus on your improvement rather than on the loss of years and relative poverty.

    Ad-hominem is always a sign that you lost the argument.

    I’ll accept that as your confession, even if inadvertent. You who wrote “You like to parade how stupid you are..” and other such things.

    • Replies: @Derer
    @AP

    When did per capita GDP in US $ became a measurement of who is poorer...answer me silly boy.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP

    LMAO - It's actually quite sickening just how non-functional your "life" must be, what a permanantly cursed-in-hell dipshit you have to be to willfully do this loser nonsense. 100% certainly you would have known before posting this inane BS, that Austrian GDP, NOW, in 2024 is about 2.5 times that of Czechia before posting this :


    But in 1989, compared to other European countries that were not under socialism, it was squalid.

    https://www.rug.nl/ggdc/historicaldevelopment/maddison/original-maddison

    In 1990 dollars, per capita GDP

    1948:

    Czechoslovakia: $3,088
    Austria: $2,764.
    Hungary: $2,200.
    Spain: $2,186
    Portugal: $2,046

    In 1990 dollars, 1989:

    Austria: $16,360
    Spain: $11,582.
    Portugal: $10,372

    Czechoslovakia’s: $8,768
    Hungary: $6,903.

     

    It's amusing, I noticed this same garbage on the other thread but its only the repeated degeneracy of this sociopathic garbage that is make me reply now. You have no life, even a slugs one is more sophisticated so you would almost certainly have seen during your "research" that GDP of Austria now, in 2024 is 2.5 times those countries In other words, Capitalist or Communist system doesn't change the difference to the wealth level of Czechia, Austria, Slovakia and Hungary. Any sane person think this freak hadn't seen those numbers?

    Austria being the centre of an empire, one of the richest places in Europe for centuries, DOES explain the difference you clueless idiot. Just as it does for centre of other European empires being richest places.

    Socialist GDP figures also clearly miss relevant data that would significantly increase it.

    To any non-bimbo - the only relevant measures of GDP are from 1938, and some time in the 1950's after start of post-war recovery if then going to compare with 1990 - not this random idiot garbage. As you have no sense of Europe and have never been there - then obviously you are clueless as to why those numbers you posted are braindead.

    Spain and Portugal both not in WW2, and both have 10% of their economy coming from tourism.
    Czechoslovakia and Hungary both de-germanified after WW2 you idiot where Austria of course did not, Czechoslovakia lost huge part of their population with the German expulsion. Czechoslovakia suffered immensely under the Nazis for 7 years, Austria did not as they were directly fused with them, and did not suffer allied bombing campaign like Germany.
    Marshall Plan vs war-destroyed Soviet Union economy restoration.

    If you doubled your income and improved your life expectancy but your neighbors and everyone else around you quintupled theirs and improved their life expectancy even more,

     

    Complete nonsense . As for life expectancy - 1 or 2 year difference LOL. Only some autistic retard could make your conclusions. Czechoslovakia had extensive coal mining you dumb prick, Austria did not - which can easily explain the minimal difference in life expectancy. Hungary - lifestyle, Ottoman influence, higher-percentage alchohol drinks - who knows what, explain the difference but for sure the very successful socialism does not. And of course socialist Cuba has higher life expectancy that USA, LMAO!!

    Meaningless because this is also true of everywhere else. It’s like bragging about now having electricity or antibiotics.
     
    Well, LOL, Galicians in the disaster shithole of Poland 1920-1939 certainly didn't have that - but "Ukrainians" in USSR at the same time certainly did have more of that, and being able to read and get educated.......not f**k their relatives all day.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

  986. @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234


    As I said Hack, I consider the term “cossack state” as a contradiction, an impossibility – like saying flying giraffe, Israeli pig farmer or Dutch mountaineer etc.
     
    Seriously? Did ou even read the Wiki piece that I cited? I'll just quote one small section here:

    As ruler of the Hetmanate, Khmelnytsky engaged in state-building across multiple spheres: military, administration, finance, economics, and culture. He invested the Zaporozhian Host under the leadership of its hetman with supreme power in the new Ruthenian state, and he unified all the spheres of Ukrainian society under his authority. This involved building a government system and a developed military and civilian administration out of Cossack officers and Ruthenian nobles, as well as the establishment of an elite within the Cossack Hetman state.
     
    If this doesn't define what a state is all about, then I don't know what does? Quit being so obtuse, or I may have to curtail our discussions. :-(

    Replies: @AP, @Gerard1234

    Seriously? Did you even read the Wiki piece that I cited? I’ll just quote one small section here:

    No. Why would I read nonsense where I know what the false claims are anyway, Hack? They have to explain the non-existence of any Ukrainian state – so naturally invent any drivel. Modern pseudoscience, Gos-dep paid for Ukrainian “historians” have taken this nonsense to another level.

    Zaporizhian Cossack “state” for obvious reasons is not a state. Semi-nomadic, barbaric people, only union with Russia for them didn’t have totally mercenary aims as they were begging Russia to reunify, repeatedly selling themselves to the highest bidder ( the Ottomans, Crimean Khanate, Poles, Russians, Swedish), a military formation living over sparsely populated borderlands that doesn’t classify as a state- just like the Don Cossacks, Siberian Cossacks, Ural/Yaik Cossacks, Terek cossacks etc, and despite the laughable claims in your Wikipedia link……..not doing ANY practice close to that of a state in the legal, financial, administrative fields), ethnically mixed to a huge extent ( though even in that, probably Russian dominant) that you could not say the civilians, the peasants living where they were are of the same ethnicity as them.

    As for “state-building in the military sphere” – a truly bizarre statement. Cossack formation by definition is incompatible with that statement.

    As I said – Don Cossacks had higher claims to be a state. Sloboda Cossacks completely different from Zaporizhian cossacks, though land they inhabited is mostly part of 404 now.

    Where the f**k does Russia buying Kiev for 150000 pieces of silver (or whatever the amount was) from Poland align with this Cossack Getmanate state drivel???

    They were always citizens of Poland or citizens of Russia. Nothing else ( well, a few had secret Ottoman citizenship – but that is different issue)

    Fortunately after I wrote my original post to you, Vzgliad released this article :

    https://vz.ru/society/2024/2/10/1252854.html

    You appear like you are the type who has been fully aware of this part of history anyway (Khmelnitsky’s letters to Tsar). As I said before, these are not the actions of someone ruling over his own state if you look at the dates.

    Now I understand this is some core ideology you may have believed for a long time – you are not some fantasist retard sociopath with zero connection to these issues like this “AP” wakjob, – so in theory I can respect your belief – so I will switch to the following issue of what connects any of that Getmanate to Bukovina, and why a Galician retard would be part of the same historical nation as you?

    Cossack (Za, Sloboda, Don), steppe, chernozem connect neither of you to Ukraine like it does to much of Russia. Historically Bukovina has been land of Russian people, . Why does 400+ years separate from Galician retards not enough to make you separate people from them, but multiple centuries of living separate from Russia does? Ethnically the same i.e Russians, and historically religion was hugely important factor in national consciousness – so as Orthodox why connect to Galician slave retards of different religion living in totally different empires..but not with Russians?

    If you can inform me of what makes you “Ukrainian” and not Russian, other then Stalin, then I will be impressed.
    Faino, Pan, Дякую – all these basic foreign words into Mova- there must be several centuries difference in these simple words being used in Galicia ( or for Malorossiya – Pan) before anyone in Bukovina even hearing them. Even then I would guess that vernacular used in Rostov or Krasnoyarsk would have had greater influence on talk in Bukovina then whatever used in Galicia.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Why does 400+ years separate from Galician retards not enough to make you separate people from them, but multiple centuries of living separate from Russia does?
     
    Northern Bukovyna was part of Galicia but was never part of Russia (Suzdal, Muscovy, etc.). In 1302 it was placed under the Orthodox metropolitan of Halych, and not the Metropolitan of Kiev who moved to what is now Russia.

    After the end of the Galician kingdom it alternated between being ruled by Moldova and Poland, before becoming (like Galicia) a part of Austria. Moldovan rule prevented Union with Rome, as in Galicia.

    Under the Austrians, the Orthodox Church in Bukovyna was placed under the Metropolitanate of Karlovci (at the time, in Austria-Hungary - now in Serbia) before it gained its own Metropolitan. The Metropolitan's Palace is very beautiful.

    So, the Orthodox Church of Bukovyna were never under Moscow, except during the Soviet period. The Eastern Slavs of this region are closer to Galicians than they are to anyone else.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @LatW
    @Gerard1234


    Faino, Pan, Дякую
     
    Not sure about faino and pan, but Дякую is an original Balto-Slav word (or possibly even IE word, since thank and danke doesn't sound too far off from that, the IE original is teng which also means to think). So it is possible that it was used in Kyivan Rus, too, originally. Dziękuję in Polish, dīnkun in Old Prussian (there are a few more Baltic examples) - notice how close the Prussian one is to danke. This is a common ancestral word, which, incidentally, your people no longer use. You are the ones who veered away from our roots.

    This is way before you started using "spasi Bog" in Russian, what did they use in Novgorod when it was founded? Since it was populated by the ancestors of Poles and by Old Prussians, most likely some kind of a version of the old dziękuję was used.

    Replies: @LatW

  987. @Beckow
    @sudden death

    It was in the accompanying statements that Kiev made. Given that the piece of paper ('Memorandum') was never ratified, the statements including assurances that Nato will not expand east, are as valid as the text. Or as Nato now claims it is all invalid.

    It can only be one or the other - you don't get to pick which verbal or non-ratified statements are observed. But you know this, you are just blabbing out of desperation. It means nothing.

    Replies: @sudden death

    If it meant nothing you wouldn’t be lying so desperately about it;)

    It was in the accompanying statements that Kiev made.

    As long as no sources/links are given, quite safe to assume it’s just another lie of yours.

    • Agree: AP
  988. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    Seriously? Did you even read the Wiki piece that I cited? I’ll just quote one small section here:
     
    No. Why would I read nonsense where I know what the false claims are anyway, Hack? They have to explain the non-existence of any Ukrainian state - so naturally invent any drivel. Modern pseudoscience, Gos-dep paid for Ukrainian "historians" have taken this nonsense to another level.

    Zaporizhian Cossack "state" for obvious reasons is not a state. Semi-nomadic, barbaric people, only union with Russia for them didn't have totally mercenary aims as they were begging Russia to reunify, repeatedly selling themselves to the highest bidder ( the Ottomans, Crimean Khanate, Poles, Russians, Swedish), a military formation living over sparsely populated borderlands that doesn't classify as a state- just like the Don Cossacks, Siberian Cossacks, Ural/Yaik Cossacks, Terek cossacks etc, and despite the laughable claims in your Wikipedia link........not doing ANY practice close to that of a state in the legal, financial, administrative fields), ethnically mixed to a huge extent ( though even in that, probably Russian dominant) that you could not say the civilians, the peasants living where they were are of the same ethnicity as them.

    As for "state-building in the military sphere" - a truly bizarre statement. Cossack formation by definition is incompatible with that statement.

    As I said - Don Cossacks had higher claims to be a state. Sloboda Cossacks completely different from Zaporizhian cossacks, though land they inhabited is mostly part of 404 now.

    Where the f**k does Russia buying Kiev for 150000 pieces of silver (or whatever the amount was) from Poland align with this Cossack Getmanate state drivel???

    They were always citizens of Poland or citizens of Russia. Nothing else ( well, a few had secret Ottoman citizenship - but that is different issue)

    Fortunately after I wrote my original post to you, Vzgliad released this article :

    https://vz.ru/society/2024/2/10/1252854.html

    You appear like you are the type who has been fully aware of this part of history anyway (Khmelnitsky's letters to Tsar). As I said before, these are not the actions of someone ruling over his own state if you look at the dates.

    Now I understand this is some core ideology you may have believed for a long time - you are not some fantasist retard sociopath with zero connection to these issues like this "AP" wakjob, - so in theory I can respect your belief - so I will switch to the following issue of what connects any of that Getmanate to Bukovina, and why a Galician retard would be part of the same historical nation as you?

    Cossack (Za, Sloboda, Don), steppe, chernozem connect neither of you to Ukraine like it does to much of Russia. Historically Bukovina has been land of Russian people, . Why does 400+ years separate from Galician retards not enough to make you separate people from them, but multiple centuries of living separate from Russia does? Ethnically the same i.e Russians, and historically religion was hugely important factor in national consciousness - so as Orthodox why connect to Galician slave retards of different religion living in totally different empires..but not with Russians?

    If you can inform me of what makes you "Ukrainian" and not Russian, other then Stalin, then I will be impressed.
    Faino, Pan, Дякую - all these basic foreign words into Mova- there must be several centuries difference in these simple words being used in Galicia ( or for Malorossiya - Pan) before anyone in Bukovina even hearing them. Even then I would guess that vernacular used in Rostov or Krasnoyarsk would have had greater influence on talk in Bukovina then whatever used in Galicia.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

    Why does 400+ years separate from Galician retards not enough to make you separate people from them, but multiple centuries of living separate from Russia does?

    Northern Bukovyna was part of Galicia but was never part of Russia (Suzdal, Muscovy, etc.). In 1302 it was placed under the Orthodox metropolitan of Halych, and not the Metropolitan of Kiev who moved to what is now Russia.

    After the end of the Galician kingdom it alternated between being ruled by Moldova and Poland, before becoming (like Galicia) a part of Austria. Moldovan rule prevented Union with Rome, as in Galicia.

    Under the Austrians, the Orthodox Church in Bukovyna was placed under the Metropolitanate of Karlovci (at the time, in Austria-Hungary – now in Serbia) before it gained its own Metropolitan. The Metropolitan’s Palace is very beautiful.

    So, the Orthodox Church of Bukovyna were never under Moscow, except during the Soviet period. The Eastern Slavs of this region are closer to Galicians than they are to anyone else.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Moldovan rule prevented Union with Rome, as in Galicia.
     
    Why wasn't union with Rome attempted after Austria acquired Bukovina in the 1770s?

    Also, off-topic, but do you think that had Austria permanently managed to hold onto Serbia (well, until at least the early 20th century--starting from the early 18th century), then the Serbs would likewise be Uniates instead of Eastern Orthodox today?

    Northern Serbia was controlled by Austria for a time in real life in the early 18th century:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Growth_of_Habsburg_territories.jpg

    The Austrians withdrew from there in 1739 even though they apparently didn't actually have to do so:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Turkish_War_(1735%E2%80%931739)

    Note on the Austro-Turkish war
    Austria hoped to gain land in the Balkans while the Turks were tied down with Russia. The border was then about 100 km south of Belgrade in land gained in 1717. In 1737, Austria went south, captured Niš but soon gave it up. In 1738, the Turks advanced and took places in Serbia and on the Danube. In 1739, Austria crossed the Danube, fought a battle at Grocka, and fell back to the Danube. Belgrade was under siege by the Turks when talks began. Austria gave up Belgrade, Serbia south of the Danube, and western Wallachia, which was perhaps more than the military situation required. The war was poorly managed. The next year, the War of the Austrian Succession began.[36]
     
    Though, interestingly enough, this wasn't actually Austria's last foray into Serbia during the 19th century:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habsburg-occupied_Serbia_(1788%E2%80%931791)

    Serbia was an Austrian protectorate between 1788 and 1791:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Kocina_krajina02.png

    In 1914, Austria-Hungary wanted to recreate this situation.
  989. Sadly. Putin made a major mistake in his interview. Why make any proposal to the powerless & feckless fool in DC? The futility was obvious. (1)

    Importantly [Putin] said in reference to the US government: “You should tell the current Ukrainian leadership to stop and come to the negotiating table.”

    Russian media is touting the widely watched interview as the first time Putin has offered ‘concrete conditions’ which can lead to settlement. “I think the most important message in Putin’s interview is that Russia is ready for for a political or diplomatic solution of the Ukraine conflict,” said Dmitry Suslov, deputy director of the Center for European and International Studies at Russia’s Higher School of Economics, to Russia’s Sputnik. “But it requires a political will from the United States.” he said.

    The overture’s significance also lies in the fact that Russia is winning the war, and thus has less reason to enter negotiations at this moment of having the clear upper hand. This fact alone means Putin’s words could represent a significant and authentic invitation to start serious talks.

    But perhaps to be expected, the White House doesn’t see it like that, as the US has swiftly rejected Putin’s offer. A spokesperson for the White House’s National Security Council responded to the Putin interview by telling The New York Times there’s nothing to indicate this is a genuine offer out of the Russian leader.

    Putin needs to offer negotiations to leaders with more agency. Notably Scholz and Macron. They have direct influence over their puppet Zelensky.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-rejects-putins-offer-negotiations-ukraine-issued-tucker-carlson-interview

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Putin needs to offer negotiations to leaders with more agency. Notably Scholz and Macron.
     
    Scholz and Macron are nonentities, like Biden. Maybe less corrupt, maybe not. They have as much agency as my left shoe.
  990. @A123
    Sadly. Putin made a major mistake in his interview. Why make any proposal to the powerless & feckless fool in DC? The futility was obvious. (1)

    Importantly [Putin] said in reference to the US government: "You should tell the current Ukrainian leadership to stop and come to the negotiating table."

    Russian media is touting the widely watched interview as the first time Putin has offered 'concrete conditions' which can lead to settlement. "I think the most important message in Putin’s interview is that Russia is ready for for a political or diplomatic solution of the Ukraine conflict," said Dmitry Suslov, deputy director of the Center for European and International Studies at Russia’s Higher School of Economics, to Russia's Sputnik. "But it requires a political will from the United States." he said.

    The overture's significance also lies in the fact that Russia is winning the war, and thus has less reason to enter negotiations at this moment of having the clear upper hand. This fact alone means Putin's words could represent a significant and authentic invitation to start serious talks.

    But perhaps to be expected, the White House doesn't see it like that, as the US has swiftly rejected Putin's offer. A spokesperson for the White House’s National Security Council responded to the Putin interview by telling The New York Times there's nothing to indicate this is a genuine offer out of the Russian leader.
     

    Putin needs to offer negotiations to leaders with more agency. Notably Scholz and Macron. They have direct influence over their puppet Zelensky.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-rejects-putins-offer-negotiations-ukraine-issued-tucker-carlson-interview

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Putin needs to offer negotiations to leaders with more agency. Notably Scholz and Macron.

    Scholz and Macron are nonentities, like Biden. Maybe less corrupt, maybe not. They have as much agency as my left shoe.

  991. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    Seriously? Did you even read the Wiki piece that I cited? I’ll just quote one small section here:
     
    No. Why would I read nonsense where I know what the false claims are anyway, Hack? They have to explain the non-existence of any Ukrainian state - so naturally invent any drivel. Modern pseudoscience, Gos-dep paid for Ukrainian "historians" have taken this nonsense to another level.

    Zaporizhian Cossack "state" for obvious reasons is not a state. Semi-nomadic, barbaric people, only union with Russia for them didn't have totally mercenary aims as they were begging Russia to reunify, repeatedly selling themselves to the highest bidder ( the Ottomans, Crimean Khanate, Poles, Russians, Swedish), a military formation living over sparsely populated borderlands that doesn't classify as a state- just like the Don Cossacks, Siberian Cossacks, Ural/Yaik Cossacks, Terek cossacks etc, and despite the laughable claims in your Wikipedia link........not doing ANY practice close to that of a state in the legal, financial, administrative fields), ethnically mixed to a huge extent ( though even in that, probably Russian dominant) that you could not say the civilians, the peasants living where they were are of the same ethnicity as them.

    As for "state-building in the military sphere" - a truly bizarre statement. Cossack formation by definition is incompatible with that statement.

    As I said - Don Cossacks had higher claims to be a state. Sloboda Cossacks completely different from Zaporizhian cossacks, though land they inhabited is mostly part of 404 now.

    Where the f**k does Russia buying Kiev for 150000 pieces of silver (or whatever the amount was) from Poland align with this Cossack Getmanate state drivel???

    They were always citizens of Poland or citizens of Russia. Nothing else ( well, a few had secret Ottoman citizenship - but that is different issue)

    Fortunately after I wrote my original post to you, Vzgliad released this article :

    https://vz.ru/society/2024/2/10/1252854.html

    You appear like you are the type who has been fully aware of this part of history anyway (Khmelnitsky's letters to Tsar). As I said before, these are not the actions of someone ruling over his own state if you look at the dates.

    Now I understand this is some core ideology you may have believed for a long time - you are not some fantasist retard sociopath with zero connection to these issues like this "AP" wakjob, - so in theory I can respect your belief - so I will switch to the following issue of what connects any of that Getmanate to Bukovina, and why a Galician retard would be part of the same historical nation as you?

    Cossack (Za, Sloboda, Don), steppe, chernozem connect neither of you to Ukraine like it does to much of Russia. Historically Bukovina has been land of Russian people, . Why does 400+ years separate from Galician retards not enough to make you separate people from them, but multiple centuries of living separate from Russia does? Ethnically the same i.e Russians, and historically religion was hugely important factor in national consciousness - so as Orthodox why connect to Galician slave retards of different religion living in totally different empires..but not with Russians?

    If you can inform me of what makes you "Ukrainian" and not Russian, other then Stalin, then I will be impressed.
    Faino, Pan, Дякую - all these basic foreign words into Mova- there must be several centuries difference in these simple words being used in Galicia ( or for Malorossiya - Pan) before anyone in Bukovina even hearing them. Even then I would guess that vernacular used in Rostov or Krasnoyarsk would have had greater influence on talk in Bukovina then whatever used in Galicia.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

    Faino, Pan, Дякую

    Not sure about faino and pan, but Дякую is an original Balto-Slav word (or possibly even IE word, since thank and danke doesn’t sound too far off from that, the IE original is teng which also means to think). So it is possible that it was used in Kyivan Rus, too, originally. Dziękuję in Polish, dīnkun in Old Prussian (there are a few more Baltic examples) – notice how close the Prussian one is to danke. This is a common ancestral word, which, incidentally, your people no longer use. You are the ones who veered away from our roots.

    This is way before you started using “spasi Bog” in Russian, what did they use in Novgorod when it was founded? Since it was populated by the ancestors of Poles and by Old Prussians, most likely some kind of a version of the old dziękuję was used.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @LatW

    And, btw, it's the same as the Nordic takk and tack, or even þökk fyrir, so they may have used something similar in Novgorod.

  992. @LatW
    @Gerard1234


    Faino, Pan, Дякую
     
    Not sure about faino and pan, but Дякую is an original Balto-Slav word (or possibly even IE word, since thank and danke doesn't sound too far off from that, the IE original is teng which also means to think). So it is possible that it was used in Kyivan Rus, too, originally. Dziękuję in Polish, dīnkun in Old Prussian (there are a few more Baltic examples) - notice how close the Prussian one is to danke. This is a common ancestral word, which, incidentally, your people no longer use. You are the ones who veered away from our roots.

    This is way before you started using "spasi Bog" in Russian, what did they use in Novgorod when it was founded? Since it was populated by the ancestors of Poles and by Old Prussians, most likely some kind of a version of the old dziękuję was used.

    Replies: @LatW

    And, btw, it’s the same as the Nordic takk and tack, or even þökk fyrir, so they may have used something similar in Novgorod.

  993. @AP
    @Beckow


    Even in your data UK, Sweden (and probably US from what I hear about the 1960’s to 80’s) had no drop in crime.
     
    Because UK and Sweden had very low crime to begin with.

    I meet more intelligent Westies (even Americans) who openly say: we were lied to, these are really nice places.
     
    I'm sure they are nice now, decades after the end of the Socialist idiocy. I have not been to Slovakia, but Poland is very nice. So is Lviv. I imagine Slovakia also is.

    But in 1989, compared to other European countries that were not under socialism, it was squalid.

    https://www.rug.nl/ggdc/historicaldevelopment/maddison/original-maddison

    In 1990 dollars, per capita GDP

    1948:

    Czechoslovakia: $3,088
    Austria: $2,764.
    Hungary: $2,200.
    Spain: $2,186
    Portugal: $2,046

    In 1990 dollars, 1989:

    Austria: $16,360
    Spain: $11,582.
    Portugal: $10,372

    Czechoslovakia’s: $8,768
    Hungary: $6,903.

    Czechoslovakia was even poorer than Portugal.

    But it was about 2.5x richer than it had been 40 years earlier! Lol.

    The 1950-90 were the most successful decades we ever had until that time.
     
    Meaningless because this is also true of everywhere else. It's like bragging about now having electricity or antibiotics.

    The argument that it could had been “even better” is nonsensical
     
    If you doubled your income and improved your life expectancy but your neighbors and everyone else around you quintupled theirs and improved their life expectancy even more, you would wonder what you did wrong. Of course you could fool yourself and just focus on your improvement rather than on the loss of years and relative poverty.

    Ad-hominem is always a sign that you lost the argument.
     
    I'll accept that as your confession, even if inadvertent. You who wrote "You like to parade how stupid you are.." and other such things.

    Replies: @Derer, @Gerard1234

    When did per capita GDP in US $ became a measurement of who is poorer…answer me silly boy.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Derer

    It's a good enough proxy. But it's not perfect. The people of the socialist countries were poorer than their GDP indicates because a lot of the GDP was used on military.

    There are also wages. Unfortunately I only found them as far back as 1995. So 5 years after 40 years of socialism ended.

    In adjusted 2022 dollars, annual wages in Czechia in 1995 were $16,612 and in Slovakia were $12,627.

    In Portugal they were $27,425.

    Czechia would have been like Austria, if not for 40 years of socialism.

    In Austria it was $53,729.

    https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?DataSetCode=AV_AN_WAGE#

    Socialism means squalor and poverty.

    But since everyone was more or less equally poor, they were more satisfied.

    Incidentally, in 2022 Austria was at $63,800 and Czechia was at $33,400.

    So 30 years after dropping socialism, Czech wages have more than doubled and Czech wages are now about half of Austrian wages, rather than less than 1/3.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Derer

  994. @Derer
    @AP

    When did per capita GDP in US $ became a measurement of who is poorer...answer me silly boy.

    Replies: @AP

    It’s a good enough proxy. But it’s not perfect. The people of the socialist countries were poorer than their GDP indicates because a lot of the GDP was used on military.

    There are also wages. Unfortunately I only found them as far back as 1995. So 5 years after 40 years of socialism ended.

    In adjusted 2022 dollars, annual wages in Czechia in 1995 were $16,612 and in Slovakia were $12,627.

    In Portugal they were $27,425.

    Czechia would have been like Austria, if not for 40 years of socialism.

    In Austria it was $53,729.

    https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?DataSetCode=AV_AN_WAGE#

    Socialism means squalor and poverty.

    But since everyone was more or less equally poor, they were more satisfied.

    Incidentally, in 2022 Austria was at $63,800 and Czechia was at $33,400.

    So 30 years after dropping socialism, Czech wages have more than doubled and Czech wages are now about half of Austrian wages, rather than less than 1/3.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Czechia would have been like Austria, if not for 40 years of socialism.

     

    Yeah, sounds about right. Czechs and Austrians are roughly equally intelligent, after all.

    In such a scenario (no Communism), Slovenia would have also been similar to Austria, no?

    Replies: @AP

    , @Derer
    @AP

    I am not going to defend centrally planned economy but for poverty one has to factor some other variables like medical cost, education or judicial system for profit. In US people have to sell their home in order to have life saving surgery. Ontario widower stuck with US$100K+ medical bill after late wife hospitalized on vacation.

    That is why 51% of East Germans suggested they were happier under communist tyranny then being unified. That does not mean wealthier but happier.

    Replies: @AP, @Supply and Demand

  995. @AP
    @Derer

    It's a good enough proxy. But it's not perfect. The people of the socialist countries were poorer than their GDP indicates because a lot of the GDP was used on military.

    There are also wages. Unfortunately I only found them as far back as 1995. So 5 years after 40 years of socialism ended.

    In adjusted 2022 dollars, annual wages in Czechia in 1995 were $16,612 and in Slovakia were $12,627.

    In Portugal they were $27,425.

    Czechia would have been like Austria, if not for 40 years of socialism.

    In Austria it was $53,729.

    https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?DataSetCode=AV_AN_WAGE#

    Socialism means squalor and poverty.

    But since everyone was more or less equally poor, they were more satisfied.

    Incidentally, in 2022 Austria was at $63,800 and Czechia was at $33,400.

    So 30 years after dropping socialism, Czech wages have more than doubled and Czech wages are now about half of Austrian wages, rather than less than 1/3.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Derer

    Czechia would have been like Austria, if not for 40 years of socialism.

    Yeah, sounds about right. Czechs and Austrians are roughly equally intelligent, after all.

    In such a scenario (no Communism), Slovenia would have also been similar to Austria, no?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    In such a scenario (no Communism), Slovenia would have also been similar to Austria, no?
     
    Slovenia had a lighter form of Socialism in Yugoslavia, and avoided the wars when Yugoslavia split.

    It's annual wages in PPP terms were $28,385 in 1995 and $47,400 in 2022 - much higher than Czechia's and closer to Austria's.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @WS

  996. @AP
    @Beckow


    Even in your data UK, Sweden (and probably US from what I hear about the 1960’s to 80’s) had no drop in crime.
     
    Because UK and Sweden had very low crime to begin with.

    I meet more intelligent Westies (even Americans) who openly say: we were lied to, these are really nice places.
     
    I'm sure they are nice now, decades after the end of the Socialist idiocy. I have not been to Slovakia, but Poland is very nice. So is Lviv. I imagine Slovakia also is.

    But in 1989, compared to other European countries that were not under socialism, it was squalid.

    https://www.rug.nl/ggdc/historicaldevelopment/maddison/original-maddison

    In 1990 dollars, per capita GDP

    1948:

    Czechoslovakia: $3,088
    Austria: $2,764.
    Hungary: $2,200.
    Spain: $2,186
    Portugal: $2,046

    In 1990 dollars, 1989:

    Austria: $16,360
    Spain: $11,582.
    Portugal: $10,372

    Czechoslovakia’s: $8,768
    Hungary: $6,903.

    Czechoslovakia was even poorer than Portugal.

    But it was about 2.5x richer than it had been 40 years earlier! Lol.

    The 1950-90 were the most successful decades we ever had until that time.
     
    Meaningless because this is also true of everywhere else. It's like bragging about now having electricity or antibiotics.

    The argument that it could had been “even better” is nonsensical
     
    If you doubled your income and improved your life expectancy but your neighbors and everyone else around you quintupled theirs and improved their life expectancy even more, you would wonder what you did wrong. Of course you could fool yourself and just focus on your improvement rather than on the loss of years and relative poverty.

    Ad-hominem is always a sign that you lost the argument.
     
    I'll accept that as your confession, even if inadvertent. You who wrote "You like to parade how stupid you are.." and other such things.

    Replies: @Derer, @Gerard1234

    LMAO – It’s actually quite sickening just how non-functional your “life” must be, what a permanantly cursed-in-hell dipshit you have to be to willfully do this loser nonsense. 100% certainly you would have known before posting this inane BS, that Austrian GDP, NOW, in 2024 is about 2.5 times that of Czechia before posting this :

    But in 1989, compared to other European countries that were not under socialism, it was squalid.

    https://www.rug.nl/ggdc/historicaldevelopment/maddison/original-maddison

    In 1990 dollars, per capita GDP

    1948:

    Czechoslovakia: $3,088
    Austria: $2,764.
    Hungary: $2,200.
    Spain: $2,186
    Portugal: $2,046

    In 1990 dollars, 1989:

    Austria: $16,360
    Spain: $11,582.
    Portugal: $10,372

    Czechoslovakia’s: $8,768
    Hungary: $6,903.

    It’s amusing, I noticed this same garbage on the other thread but its only the repeated degeneracy of this sociopathic garbage that is make me reply now. You have no life, even a slugs one is more sophisticated so you would almost certainly have seen during your “research” that GDP of Austria now, in 2024 is 2.5 times those countries In other words, Capitalist or Communist system doesn’t change the difference to the wealth level of Czechia, Austria, Slovakia and Hungary. Any sane person think this freak hadn’t seen those numbers?

    Austria being the centre of an empire, one of the richest places in Europe for centuries, DOES explain the difference you clueless idiot. Just as it does for centre of other European empires being richest places.

    Socialist GDP figures also clearly miss relevant data that would significantly increase it.

    To any non-bimbo – the only relevant measures of GDP are from 1938, and some time in the 1950’s after start of post-war recovery if then going to compare with 1990 – not this random idiot garbage. As you have no sense of Europe and have never been there – then obviously you are clueless as to why those numbers you posted are braindead.

    Spain and Portugal both not in WW2, and both have 10% of their economy coming from tourism.
    Czechoslovakia and Hungary both de-germanified after WW2 you idiot where Austria of course did not, Czechoslovakia lost huge part of their population with the German expulsion. Czechoslovakia suffered immensely under the Nazis for 7 years, Austria did not as they were directly fused with them, and did not suffer allied bombing campaign like Germany.
    Marshall Plan vs war-destroyed Soviet Union economy restoration.

    If you doubled your income and improved your life expectancy but your neighbors and everyone else around you quintupled theirs and improved their life expectancy even more,

    Complete nonsense . As for life expectancy – 1 or 2 year difference LOL. Only some autistic retard could make your conclusions. Czechoslovakia had extensive coal mining you dumb prick, Austria did not – which can easily explain the minimal difference in life expectancy. Hungary – lifestyle, Ottoman influence, higher-percentage alchohol drinks – who knows what, explain the difference but for sure the very successful socialism does not. And of course socialist Cuba has higher life expectancy that USA, LMAO!!

    Meaningless because this is also true of everywhere else. It’s like bragging about now having electricity or antibiotics.

    Well, LOL, Galicians in the disaster shithole of Poland 1920-1939 certainly didn’t have that – but “Ukrainians” in USSR at the same time certainly did have more of that, and being able to read and get educated…….not f**k their relatives all day.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Gerard1234


    Austria did not as they were directly fused with them, and did not suffer allied bombing campaign like Germany.
     
    A lot of Austrians lost their lives in WWII as a result of fighting, especially but not only on the Eastern Front, which was brutal as Hell. Among every 100 women aged 25-49 in Austria in 1950, there were only 81 men in Austria in this equivalent age cohort, if the data that I previously saw in regards to this was accurate. Sounds very believable.

    And of course socialist Cuba has higher life expectancy that USA, LMAO!!
     
    Now, compare Cuban Hispanics to US Hispanics!
    , @AP
    @Gerard1234


    that Austrian GDP, NOW, in 2024 is about 2.5 times that of Czechia
     
    Sovok "engineer" can't do math.

    Most recent figures are form 2022:

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=AT-CZ

    Austria $52,000
    Czechia: $27,000

    Not even twice as high.

    LOL.

    You fail here, as you've failed in life.


    Austria being the centre of an empire, one of the richest places in Europe for centuries, DOES explain the difference
     
    Austria was poorer than Czechia in the 1930s.

    Just as it does for centre of other European empires being richest places
     
    LOL.

    UK is poorer than Canada, New Zealand, and Australia. (and of course the USA, but the USA has become its own empire)

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=GB-CA-AU-NZ

    But we know - as a Sovok "engineer", math is beyond you.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  997. @AP
    @Beckow


    I told you before that once you morons start using USSR for all the bad stuff – “Stalin”, Bolshies, whatever, etc
     
    Your excuses for ignorantly not knowing the difference between Russia and the USSR don't matter and aren't very interesting. Feel free to demonstrate your ignorance, it makes your complaints about American education funny.

    I wrote materially…

    Yeah, “materially” your ghetto blacks in Haarlem
     
    You bragged about quadrupling during socialism, which refers to material advancement, so I naturally pointed out that on the terms you yourself brought up, your people were worse off than persecuted Blacks in the US ghettos. You were materially poorer. You had fewer and worse TVs, fewer automobiles, shoes, etc.

    Now you want to change the subject to something different. But those things had nothing to do with socialism. Unless you propose that socialism prevented Slovaks from killing one another over tennis shoes? If so you have a very poor opinion of your people.

    In this discussion you have demonstrated not only ignorance about basic things (Russia versus USSR; material prosperity) but inability to reason effectively. Why is that? Slovak education system?

    Look at the data: in pre-commie Czecho-slovakia only 15% people had higher education of any kind and only 30% had healthcare – government employees, 5-10% rich, some minimal charity.
     
    So it was in most places in the 1930s compared to the 1970s-1980s. So? The others managed to achieve this without relative Socialist impoverishment.

    The crime went down 80% from 1930’s when Prague was a dirty madhouse with hundreds of thousands of poor, street crime, homeless, poor infrastructure
     
    I couldn't find crime stats for Czechoslovakia in the 1930s but given your love of lying I won't take your claim seriously.

    I did find homicide states for other European countries:

    https://i.stack.imgur.com/ANNH1.png

    They were much higher in the 1930s than later, and did not require communist governments to come down. Are you saying that something was so wrong with Eastern Europeans that only socialist dictatorships could force them to stop committing crimes, unlike Germans, Swedes, Italians, etc.?

    Moreover, the homicide rates weren't even that high, other than perhaps Italy.

    What you are doing is that you are deeply insecure about the sh..ty life for most people in America so you make up things. It is a way to cope – you live in made-up propaganda that any normal person sees through
     
    Interesting projection.. You were a loser who failed to make it in America (California), went back and now talk about how sour those grapes were. Granted, coming back to Slovakia is nicer than coming back to Kazan. It's why the other loser stayed in the English sh**hole.

    So sorry you failed here.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    Moreover, the homicide rates weren’t even that high, other than perhaps Italy.

    Early 20th century Italy was almost at pre-BLM US homicide levels. Or comparable to US Hispanic homicide levels, I think.

    You were a loser who failed to make it in America (California), went back and now talk about how sour those grapes were.

    Did Beckow ever acquire US citizenship? If one was lucky enough to make it to the US, one would think that one should try to stay in the US at almost any cost, no? Did Beckow leave the US before he even got a Green Card? And was he able to get into the US in the first place through a program such as the Diversity Visa Lottery?

  998. @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    His complaints sound like the complaints of those who were victims of the Mongol onslaught - it was the punishment of God for our sins, the peasants did to us what we did to them. It would have been interesting to hear his other reasons.

    The reason for Khmelnytsky's successful rebellion was that the petty gentry with excellent military experience, such as Khmelnytsky, joined the peasants en masse in opposition to the local magnates. Their grievances were more fatal to the unity of the Commonwealth than were those of the peasants (whose plight in Ukraine was actually less severe than in Poland itself). And of course, they would end up screwing themselves, and the peasants, and their people even more as a consequence of their treason. Ukrainians have been trying to undo the turn to Moscow for centuries.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. XYZ

    Ukrainians have been trying to undo the turn to Moscow for centuries.

    Interestingly enough, this WWI-era Polish magazine (Free Poland) was touting the advantages of a Polish-Ukrainian-Lithuanian union as early as 1916:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=09F2xqwClH4C&pg=PA12&dq=ukrainia+poland&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwio5ci8_6aEAxUfLEQIHVlpASYQ6AF6BAgHEAI#v=onepage&q=ukrainia%20poland&f=false

    It argued that Poland can exist as an independent state but that without Poland both Ukrainians and Lithuanians were doomed to either Russification or Germanization. He was right, I suspect.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  999. @Gerard1234
    @AP

    LMAO - It's actually quite sickening just how non-functional your "life" must be, what a permanantly cursed-in-hell dipshit you have to be to willfully do this loser nonsense. 100% certainly you would have known before posting this inane BS, that Austrian GDP, NOW, in 2024 is about 2.5 times that of Czechia before posting this :


    But in 1989, compared to other European countries that were not under socialism, it was squalid.

    https://www.rug.nl/ggdc/historicaldevelopment/maddison/original-maddison

    In 1990 dollars, per capita GDP

    1948:

    Czechoslovakia: $3,088
    Austria: $2,764.
    Hungary: $2,200.
    Spain: $2,186
    Portugal: $2,046

    In 1990 dollars, 1989:

    Austria: $16,360
    Spain: $11,582.
    Portugal: $10,372

    Czechoslovakia’s: $8,768
    Hungary: $6,903.

     

    It's amusing, I noticed this same garbage on the other thread but its only the repeated degeneracy of this sociopathic garbage that is make me reply now. You have no life, even a slugs one is more sophisticated so you would almost certainly have seen during your "research" that GDP of Austria now, in 2024 is 2.5 times those countries In other words, Capitalist or Communist system doesn't change the difference to the wealth level of Czechia, Austria, Slovakia and Hungary. Any sane person think this freak hadn't seen those numbers?

    Austria being the centre of an empire, one of the richest places in Europe for centuries, DOES explain the difference you clueless idiot. Just as it does for centre of other European empires being richest places.

    Socialist GDP figures also clearly miss relevant data that would significantly increase it.

    To any non-bimbo - the only relevant measures of GDP are from 1938, and some time in the 1950's after start of post-war recovery if then going to compare with 1990 - not this random idiot garbage. As you have no sense of Europe and have never been there - then obviously you are clueless as to why those numbers you posted are braindead.

    Spain and Portugal both not in WW2, and both have 10% of their economy coming from tourism.
    Czechoslovakia and Hungary both de-germanified after WW2 you idiot where Austria of course did not, Czechoslovakia lost huge part of their population with the German expulsion. Czechoslovakia suffered immensely under the Nazis for 7 years, Austria did not as they were directly fused with them, and did not suffer allied bombing campaign like Germany.
    Marshall Plan vs war-destroyed Soviet Union economy restoration.

    If you doubled your income and improved your life expectancy but your neighbors and everyone else around you quintupled theirs and improved their life expectancy even more,

     

    Complete nonsense . As for life expectancy - 1 or 2 year difference LOL. Only some autistic retard could make your conclusions. Czechoslovakia had extensive coal mining you dumb prick, Austria did not - which can easily explain the minimal difference in life expectancy. Hungary - lifestyle, Ottoman influence, higher-percentage alchohol drinks - who knows what, explain the difference but for sure the very successful socialism does not. And of course socialist Cuba has higher life expectancy that USA, LMAO!!

    Meaningless because this is also true of everywhere else. It’s like bragging about now having electricity or antibiotics.
     
    Well, LOL, Galicians in the disaster shithole of Poland 1920-1939 certainly didn't have that - but "Ukrainians" in USSR at the same time certainly did have more of that, and being able to read and get educated.......not f**k their relatives all day.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    Austria did not as they were directly fused with them, and did not suffer allied bombing campaign like Germany.

    A lot of Austrians lost their lives in WWII as a result of fighting, especially but not only on the Eastern Front, which was brutal as Hell. Among every 100 women aged 25-49 in Austria in 1950, there were only 81 men in Austria in this equivalent age cohort, if the data that I previously saw in regards to this was accurate. Sounds very believable.

    And of course socialist Cuba has higher life expectancy that USA, LMAO!!

    Now, compare Cuban Hispanics to US Hispanics!

  1000. I have recently learned that Hitler had grand plans for Linz, the city of his boyhood:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BChrermuseum

    The Führermuseum or Fuhrer-Museum (English: Leader’s Museum), also referred to as the Linz art gallery, was an unrealized art museum within a cultural complex planned by Adolf Hitler for his hometown, the Austrian city of Linz, near his birthplace of Braunau. Its purpose was to display a selection of the art bought, confiscated or stolen by the Nazis from throughout Europe during World War II. The cultural district was to be part of an overall plan to recreate Linz, turning it into a cultural capital of Nazi Germany and one of the greatest art centers of Europe, overshadowing Vienna, for which Hitler had a personal distaste. He wanted to make the city more beautiful than Budapest, so it would be the most beautiful on the Danube River, as well as an industrial powerhouse and a hub of trade; the museum was planned to be one of the greatest in Europe.[1][2]

    The expected completion date for the project was 1950, but neither the Führermuseum nor the cultural centre it was to anchor were ever built. The only part of the elaborate plan which was constructed was the Nibelungen Bridge, which is still extant.[3]

    In Autumn 1940, Hitler commissioned architect Hermann Giesler, a devout Nazi,[18] to be in overall charge of the rebuilding of Linz,[19][20] one of the five designated Führerstädte (“Führer cities”), along with Berlin, Hamburg, Nuremberg and Munich, which were to be redeveloped drastically.[21] Linz was to become a major cultural center, an art capital of Europe, a hub of trade and commerce, and the most beautiful city on the Danube, surpassing Budapest.[1][2] It would have a new City Hall, new Nazi Party headquarters, a “Gau forum” featuring a massive auditorium, and a new railway station, a stadium, a community hall, a technical university, an institute of metallurgy, a planetarium, a suspension bridge, and two new towers, one of them with a carillon and a mausoleum for Hitler’s parents. The city would also have Hitler’s own retirement residence, designed by Giesler. In addition to all this, the Vienna facilities of the Hermann-Göring-Werks steel plant were to be moved to Linz as well, over the objections of officials of the city, the architects, and Fritz Todt, who thought the industrial facilities were incompatible with a city of art, architecture and culture. Hitler, though, wanted to provide the city with an ongoing means of income after he was dead and could no longer subsidize it.[22][23]

    The cultural center at the heart of the redevelopment, the buildings for which were based on Hitler’s ideas and rough designs, came to be referred to as the “European Culture Center”. It included a monumental theatre, a concert hall, a library with over 250,000 volumes, an opera house as well as an operetta house, a cinema, a collection of armor and an Adolf Hitler Hotel, all surrounded by huge boulevards and a parade ground.[14][24][25] Located south of the historic section of Linz, the main buildings, including the Führermuseum, were to be aligned along one main avenue, In den Lauben,[22] which after the war was called “a typical National Socialist axis street.”[3] It would be anchored at the other end by the new railway station.[22]</blockquote

    Hitler was certainly a man with huge visions, both extremely positive and extremely negative ones.

  1001. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Why does 400+ years separate from Galician retards not enough to make you separate people from them, but multiple centuries of living separate from Russia does?
     
    Northern Bukovyna was part of Galicia but was never part of Russia (Suzdal, Muscovy, etc.). In 1302 it was placed under the Orthodox metropolitan of Halych, and not the Metropolitan of Kiev who moved to what is now Russia.

    After the end of the Galician kingdom it alternated between being ruled by Moldova and Poland, before becoming (like Galicia) a part of Austria. Moldovan rule prevented Union with Rome, as in Galicia.

    Under the Austrians, the Orthodox Church in Bukovyna was placed under the Metropolitanate of Karlovci (at the time, in Austria-Hungary - now in Serbia) before it gained its own Metropolitan. The Metropolitan's Palace is very beautiful.

    So, the Orthodox Church of Bukovyna were never under Moscow, except during the Soviet period. The Eastern Slavs of this region are closer to Galicians than they are to anyone else.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Moldovan rule prevented Union with Rome, as in Galicia.

    Why wasn’t union with Rome attempted after Austria acquired Bukovina in the 1770s?

    Also, off-topic, but do you think that had Austria permanently managed to hold onto Serbia (well, until at least the early 20th century–starting from the early 18th century), then the Serbs would likewise be Uniates instead of Eastern Orthodox today?

    Northern Serbia was controlled by Austria for a time in real life in the early 18th century:

    The Austrians withdrew from there in 1739 even though they apparently didn’t actually have to do so:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Turkish_War_(1735%E2%80%931739)

    Note on the Austro-Turkish war
    Austria hoped to gain land in the Balkans while the Turks were tied down with Russia. The border was then about 100 km south of Belgrade in land gained in 1717. In 1737, Austria went south, captured Niš but soon gave it up. In 1738, the Turks advanced and took places in Serbia and on the Danube. In 1739, Austria crossed the Danube, fought a battle at Grocka, and fell back to the Danube. Belgrade was under siege by the Turks when talks began. Austria gave up Belgrade, Serbia south of the Danube, and western Wallachia, which was perhaps more than the military situation required. The war was poorly managed. The next year, the War of the Austrian Succession began.[36]

    Though, interestingly enough, this wasn’t actually Austria’s last foray into Serbia during the 19th century:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habsburg-occupied_Serbia_(1788%E2%80%931791)

    Serbia was an Austrian protectorate between 1788 and 1791:

    In 1914, Austria-Hungary wanted to recreate this situation.

  1002. @AP
    @Matra


    unlike Prague, with its dirty streets and shifty, thieving business owners
     
    So Prague is more like Budapest than it is like Lviv or Polish cities?

    Replies: @Matra, @Mr. XYZ

    I was in Budapest too, just two weeks ago. Budapest was shabbier than I remember from my week there back in 2010. (Buda looked a lot better than Pest but I think it always has done, being more bourgeois). Passing through Prague there was some public transport diversions due to flooding near the central station requiring us to walk through parts of a residential neighbourhood called Zizkov. It had terrible lighting at night, with uneven & loose pavements and just generally doesn’t appear well looked after. Reminded me of early 1980s Belfast, including the dog shit – another thing you see a lot of in Budapest. Non-tourist areas of Prague have looked neglected for as long as I’ve been going there but the locals don’t seem bothered by it.

    • Thanks: AP
    • Replies: @AP
    @Matra

    I was in Budapest in 2019. It was a dump compared to Vienna, Krakow and even Lviv. Except for the Castle District which is heavily touristed. I would have expected Prague to be like the other nice ones, it is separated from Hungary by Austria.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  1003. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Czechia would have been like Austria, if not for 40 years of socialism.

     

    Yeah, sounds about right. Czechs and Austrians are roughly equally intelligent, after all.

    In such a scenario (no Communism), Slovenia would have also been similar to Austria, no?

    Replies: @AP

    In such a scenario (no Communism), Slovenia would have also been similar to Austria, no?

    Slovenia had a lighter form of Socialism in Yugoslavia, and avoided the wars when Yugoslavia split.

    It’s annual wages in PPP terms were $28,385 in 1995 and $47,400 in 2022 – much higher than Czechia’s and closer to Austria’s.

    • Thanks: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Thanks! So, it looks like breaking with the Soviet Union paid off for Yugoslavia, especially for the parts that were not hugely devastated by war post-Yugoslav collapse. It's a consistent pattern: Breaking with Russia/the Soviet Union tends to produce good outcomes for those countries that engage in it, unless of course they are subsequent targets of a Russian/Soviet invasion. Had Yugoslavia been invaded by Stalin after the Tito-Stalin split in 1948, I suspect that its fate would have been less pleasant, though the West would have likely aggressively sponsored an anti-Soviet insurgency in Yugoslavia for as long as one would have actually been viable in such a scenario. I don't know if Yugoslav insurgents could have actually succeeded in dislodging the Soviet Union from Yugoslavia, though. I sort of doubt it. This wasn't the 1980s Soviet Union yet, after all.

    , @WS
    @AP


    In such a scenario (no Communism), Slovenia would have also been similar to Austria, no?
     
    It was not so linear;
    Slovenia (Carniola, South Styria and South Carinthia, rural parts of Gorizia and Trieste, Istria) were rural less developed parts of Austria, Bohemia was the most developed; After WWI Slovenia heavily industrialized due to the restricted import conditions of first Yugoslavia, mainly by investments and know-how from Czech businessman, who opened factories in Slovenia to stay on the south-east market.

    After WWII Slovenians continued development of industry and catch Czechia in seventies in GDP terms and was ahead in 1990, and Austria well ahead of both.

    After 1990, we see gradual convergence of GDP figures, esspecially in PPP terms, but in last years as well in nominal figures. So in some distant future there will be only very minute differences by my opinion among all 3 states.

    And actual GDP PPP difference between Austria and Slovenia is probably the same as it was in 1914.

    Replies: @AP

  1004. @Gerard1234
    @AP

    LMAO - It's actually quite sickening just how non-functional your "life" must be, what a permanantly cursed-in-hell dipshit you have to be to willfully do this loser nonsense. 100% certainly you would have known before posting this inane BS, that Austrian GDP, NOW, in 2024 is about 2.5 times that of Czechia before posting this :


    But in 1989, compared to other European countries that were not under socialism, it was squalid.

    https://www.rug.nl/ggdc/historicaldevelopment/maddison/original-maddison

    In 1990 dollars, per capita GDP

    1948:

    Czechoslovakia: $3,088
    Austria: $2,764.
    Hungary: $2,200.
    Spain: $2,186
    Portugal: $2,046

    In 1990 dollars, 1989:

    Austria: $16,360
    Spain: $11,582.
    Portugal: $10,372

    Czechoslovakia’s: $8,768
    Hungary: $6,903.

     

    It's amusing, I noticed this same garbage on the other thread but its only the repeated degeneracy of this sociopathic garbage that is make me reply now. You have no life, even a slugs one is more sophisticated so you would almost certainly have seen during your "research" that GDP of Austria now, in 2024 is 2.5 times those countries In other words, Capitalist or Communist system doesn't change the difference to the wealth level of Czechia, Austria, Slovakia and Hungary. Any sane person think this freak hadn't seen those numbers?

    Austria being the centre of an empire, one of the richest places in Europe for centuries, DOES explain the difference you clueless idiot. Just as it does for centre of other European empires being richest places.

    Socialist GDP figures also clearly miss relevant data that would significantly increase it.

    To any non-bimbo - the only relevant measures of GDP are from 1938, and some time in the 1950's after start of post-war recovery if then going to compare with 1990 - not this random idiot garbage. As you have no sense of Europe and have never been there - then obviously you are clueless as to why those numbers you posted are braindead.

    Spain and Portugal both not in WW2, and both have 10% of their economy coming from tourism.
    Czechoslovakia and Hungary both de-germanified after WW2 you idiot where Austria of course did not, Czechoslovakia lost huge part of their population with the German expulsion. Czechoslovakia suffered immensely under the Nazis for 7 years, Austria did not as they were directly fused with them, and did not suffer allied bombing campaign like Germany.
    Marshall Plan vs war-destroyed Soviet Union economy restoration.

    If you doubled your income and improved your life expectancy but your neighbors and everyone else around you quintupled theirs and improved their life expectancy even more,

     

    Complete nonsense . As for life expectancy - 1 or 2 year difference LOL. Only some autistic retard could make your conclusions. Czechoslovakia had extensive coal mining you dumb prick, Austria did not - which can easily explain the minimal difference in life expectancy. Hungary - lifestyle, Ottoman influence, higher-percentage alchohol drinks - who knows what, explain the difference but for sure the very successful socialism does not. And of course socialist Cuba has higher life expectancy that USA, LMAO!!

    Meaningless because this is also true of everywhere else. It’s like bragging about now having electricity or antibiotics.
     
    Well, LOL, Galicians in the disaster shithole of Poland 1920-1939 certainly didn't have that - but "Ukrainians" in USSR at the same time certainly did have more of that, and being able to read and get educated.......not f**k their relatives all day.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @AP

    that Austrian GDP, NOW, in 2024 is about 2.5 times that of Czechia

    Sovok “engineer” can’t do math.

    Most recent figures are form 2022:

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=AT-CZ

    Austria $52,000
    Czechia: $27,000

    Not even twice as high.

    LOL.

    You fail here, as you’ve failed in life.

    Austria being the centre of an empire, one of the richest places in Europe for centuries, DOES explain the difference

    Austria was poorer than Czechia in the 1930s.

    Just as it does for centre of other European empires being richest places

    LOL.

    UK is poorer than Canada, New Zealand, and Australia. (and of course the USA, but the USA has become its own empire)

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=GB-CA-AU-NZ

    But we know – as a Sovok “engineer”, math is beyond you.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @AP


    UK is poorer than Canada, New Zealand, and Australia. (and of course the USA, but the USA has become its own empire)
     
    French influence in Canada, but those 3 countries are mostly British descendants living there you dimwit who made it rich. Many legacy from Britain in the US( language, some elements of British in freakshow US court system, unit measurements). If it was like a French situation in Africa or Asia where they expelled all the French or Belgians and then the Algerians or Congons became rich........there would be a point ......but there isn't. Maori or Aborigine controlled state getting NZ or Australia to its current wealth levels? Take German/Austrian factor out of Switzerland and it would likely start to decline. UK to the rest of the Anglo-world is not same situation as Austria to the Czech/Slovaks/Hungarians or Portugal to Brazil.

    Austria $52,000
    Czechia: $27,000

    Not even twice as high.
     
    2.5 was your number. Anyway the fact is wealth disparity between Austrians and the Czechs/Slovaks and Hungarians is about the same, probably more than in 1991 when had Communism. And zero chance you would not have known that figures before writing your drivel

    Replies: @AP

  1005. @Matra
    @AP

    I was in Budapest too, just two weeks ago. Budapest was shabbier than I remember from my week there back in 2010. (Buda looked a lot better than Pest but I think it always has done, being more bourgeois). Passing through Prague there was some public transport diversions due to flooding near the central station requiring us to walk through parts of a residential neighbourhood called Zizkov. It had terrible lighting at night, with uneven & loose pavements and just generally doesn't appear well looked after. Reminded me of early 1980s Belfast, including the dog shit - another thing you see a lot of in Budapest. Non-tourist areas of Prague have looked neglected for as long as I've been going there but the locals don't seem bothered by it.

    Replies: @AP

    I was in Budapest in 2019. It was a dump compared to Vienna, Krakow and even Lviv. Except for the Castle District which is heavily touristed. I would have expected Prague to be like the other nice ones, it is separated from Hungary by Austria.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    How does Budapest compare to Bucharest? I've seen projections that indicate that Bucharest has a very, very bright future ahead of it:

    https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1151083/europe-wealth-rich-city-richest-cities-luxembourg-germany-netherlands-uk


    Then, in 2050, the Romanian capital Bucharest will emerge as Europe’s richest city.

     

    In spite of its low human capital (comparable to that of African-Americans), Romania manages to perform economically almost as well as Hungary does per capita:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/romania-quietly-catches-up-with-richer-neighbours-helped-by-eu-cash-2023-01-09/

    And I don't think that it's due to huge smart fractions since Romania nowadays has almost no Jews and Germans remaining there.
  1006. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    In such a scenario (no Communism), Slovenia would have also been similar to Austria, no?
     
    Slovenia had a lighter form of Socialism in Yugoslavia, and avoided the wars when Yugoslavia split.

    It's annual wages in PPP terms were $28,385 in 1995 and $47,400 in 2022 - much higher than Czechia's and closer to Austria's.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @WS

    Thanks! So, it looks like breaking with the Soviet Union paid off for Yugoslavia, especially for the parts that were not hugely devastated by war post-Yugoslav collapse. It’s a consistent pattern: Breaking with Russia/the Soviet Union tends to produce good outcomes for those countries that engage in it, unless of course they are subsequent targets of a Russian/Soviet invasion. Had Yugoslavia been invaded by Stalin after the Tito-Stalin split in 1948, I suspect that its fate would have been less pleasant, though the West would have likely aggressively sponsored an anti-Soviet insurgency in Yugoslavia for as long as one would have actually been viable in such a scenario. I don’t know if Yugoslav insurgents could have actually succeeded in dislodging the Soviet Union from Yugoslavia, though. I sort of doubt it. This wasn’t the 1980s Soviet Union yet, after all.

  1007. @AP
    @Matra

    I was in Budapest in 2019. It was a dump compared to Vienna, Krakow and even Lviv. Except for the Castle District which is heavily touristed. I would have expected Prague to be like the other nice ones, it is separated from Hungary by Austria.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    How does Budapest compare to Bucharest? I’ve seen projections that indicate that Bucharest has a very, very bright future ahead of it:

    https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1151083/europe-wealth-rich-city-richest-cities-luxembourg-germany-netherlands-uk

    Then, in 2050, the Romanian capital Bucharest will emerge as Europe’s richest city.

    In spite of its low human capital (comparable to that of African-Americans), Romania manages to perform economically almost as well as Hungary does per capita:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/romania-quietly-catches-up-with-richer-neighbours-helped-by-eu-cash-2023-01-09/

    And I don’t think that it’s due to huge smart fractions since Romania nowadays has almost no Jews and Germans remaining there.

  1008. @AP
    @Matra


    unlike Prague, with its dirty streets and shifty, thieving business owners
     
    So Prague is more like Budapest than it is like Lviv or Polish cities?

    Replies: @Matra, @Mr. XYZ

    How does Bratislava compare to the cities mentioned above? Have you ever been there?

  1009. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Irrelevant nonsense – we know from precedence of non-achievement/failure from Uniates
     
    You are just bitter because Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs and their existence highlights your relative inferiority. As you demonstrate with each post.

    LMAO. 1934 Polish census of favela/Lvov region, self-identification of the Uniates is from memory :

    “Ukrainians”….. 550000
    Russians…………..480000
     
    Polish census included separate categories for Russians and Rusyns. The Polish nationalist state wanted to split and minimise the number of Ukrainians so if someone didn’t insist upon being a Ukrainian speaker they were marked as a Rusyn. There were also people, mostly in the western parts of the region, who considered themselves to be Ruthenians/Rusyns as a nationality.

    The Polish government actively supported the Ruthenian orientation because it was viewed as harmless compared to the Ukrainian one. So for example they renamed the Ukrainian language department at Lviv’s university into Ruthenian language.

    Here is the census:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/1931_Census_of_Poland%2C_Lwow_Voivod%2C_table_10_Ludnosc-Population-pg.32.jpg

    Out of 1.25 million Greek Catholics in Lwow province, 237,000 spoke Polish, 551,000 spoke Ukrainian, 465,000 spoke Ruthenian, and 66 spoke Russian.

    That doesn’t even think about Talergof and Terezin mass murder in concentration camps

     

    About 3,000 died in Talerhof. My great-grandfather survived it.

    Many of them were, actually, spies for the Russians or had worked with them. My great-grandfather had hosted Brusilov (or Bobrinsky) at his estate and refused to flee to Rostov when the Austrians returned, though his oldest sons escaped to Petrograd. Great-grandfather was released via intervention from a cousin in the government.

    a few hundred thousands leaving with the Russian retreat from Galicia in 1915
     
    Sovok civil “engineer” doesn’t know math. About 20,000-30,000 fled. If 100,000s were missing this massive population drop would have been reflected in later censuses.

    Ukrops effectively banned from living in the city of Lvov itself

     

    The city was about 18% Ukrainian/Greek Catholic (some of those were Polish speaking, just as many Ukrainians in Kiev speak Russian). It’s main organization headquarters was in a palace right on the main square.

    You are just sad because the Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs. Prettiest cities, least social problems, prettiest and cleanest villages.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Gerard1234

    Polish census included separate categories for Russians and Rusyns

    The bimbo, compulsive liar has landed!! There is no “separate category” in the way a misdirecting scumbag as yourself is claiming. There are the “Ruski” – i.e Russians, those who reject the austrian experiment of khokholism . Then there are Rossiski – i.e small number of Tsarist Francophiles who arrived in Poland from Russian Empire after Communism arrived. Actual Rusyns, those who think they are not Russian or Ukrainian, (but were usually russophile) would be mostly in Czechoslovakia you POS . It is in use of loser-fake nations to have this ambiguity.

    Ruski – Russians, those who think people of Rostov, Pskov, Moscow, Novgorod, Tver as same people as them in Galicia ( and don’t believe in the idiotic fake of “Galicia heir to Kievan rus” clown BS) and on the language issue always viewed it as the same language as in the Russian empire – a dialect of it, with the literary language being the same. Many of them would probably convert to Orthodoxy in a second if given the chance.

    USSR was not even recognised as a country by most places around the world when the census was conducted you idiot, very unclear if anybody then would consider USSR as Russian like they would 20 years later. Or it they considered Ukrainian SSR as “Ukrainian”. Ruski was the only option listed on all the other census before in this region.

    Out of 1.25 million Greek Catholics in Lwow province, 237,000 spoke Polish, 551,000 spoke Ukrainian, 465,000 spoke Ruthenian, and 66 spoke Russian.

    In addition to a tramp as yourself never visiting or being able to speak a word of Russian, Polish, Ukrainian……the bimbo you are is too thick to understand that Ruthenian and Russian are the same thing here, with the “Ruski”/Ruthenian – the term more familiar to them………and the non-identification as “Ukrainian” being critical itself you stupid dickhead. You that much of a serial liar/serial dumbf**k to think 60 people is the likely number of those thinking they are Russian?!!! Hilarious.

    The Polish government actively supported the Ruthenian orientation because it was viewed as harmless compared to the Ukrainian one.

    Amusing, instantaneous BS. A total lie.

    So for example they renamed the Ukrainian language department at Lviv’s university into Ruthenian language.

    All Ukrainian university departments were shut down in the 1920’s . “Little Pole” was also a common name given to ukrops by them. Ukrainians were banned from entering the Universities – except in circumstances of being total cuckhold to the Poles and swearing some special oath. All very confusing with a Ukrainian SSR bordering Poland on what names to use. But either way it just an irrelevant semantic name change if it happened (which I doubt). They banned teaching in mova and about mova – and that is what is relevant. The banning of “Ukrainian” did not mean some promotion and teaching of a mythical “Ruthenian” language you imbecilic misdirecting liar POS!!! (WTF is wrong with you?) The small number of Orthodox Churches were shutdown also.

    Going on to a subject you also know f**k all about as have never visited ( the city of Lvov) ;

    Armenian street in Lvov – Armenians used to live there
    Serbian street in Lvov – Serbians lived there
    Ruska street – Russians, those who think people of Rostov, Pskov, Moscow, Novgorod, Tver as same people as them , lived there
    “Ukrainian” street in Lvov……….not there.

    Sovok civil “engineer” doesn’t know math. About 20,000-30,000 fled. If 100,000s were missing this massive population drop would have been reflected in later censuses.

    Information I have is 100k-200k. Could be 25000 – but either way anything you claim has zero credibility to it

    The city was about 18% Ukrainian/Greek Catholic (some of those were Polish speaking, just as many Ukrainians in Kiev speak Russian)

    7.5%, idiot, for reasons listed above – clearly the Russian self-defined I am not going to class as “Ukrainian”. Maximum it would then be is 12.5%. Totally ethnic Poles being Uniates was certainly not zero, Armenians, as in Russian empire Polish-speaking Jews forced conversion to or pretending to be Christians……either way, ukrops distinct outsiders in their own “national centre”.

    About 3,000 died in Talerhof. My great-grandfather survived it.

    Many of them were, actually, spies for the Russians or had worked with them. My great-grandfather had hosted Brusilov (or Bobrinsky) at his estate and refused to flee to Rostov when the Austrians returned, though his oldest sons escaped to Petrograd. Great-grandfather was released via intervention from a cousin in the government.

    That’s as believable as myself being the first cosmonaut to visit Neptune. You’re a liar and a disturbed fantasist. Again, its quite sickening that the internet produces such wakjobs. On Talergof – estimates vary but its still mass murder, still evil events that had big historical effects on the region and influenced it heavily for decades after that, even now. Number who died there could easily be 10000+. 60000+ the claimed number of Russophiles could have been killed in the region during that period.
    Then the issue is the 400-half a million who left during the disaster of living in Polish cesspit – where did they leave and what allegiance would they majority be to?Anybody who did not go to Czechoslovakia, most likely Russian Galician not Ukronazi.

    You are just sad because the Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs. Prettiest cities, least social problems, prettiest and cleanest villages.

    Self-evident idiocy. And you have never been to make any comparison. The nearest public toilet to the Hermitage in one month gets more foreign tourists than Lvov or Ivano-Frankovsk gets in 1o years you stupid prick. Nowhere near as good looking as the Russian cities. Villages – you are clueless to make comparison. Anyway you have no idea that traditional houses in Ukrainian villages are very similar/same to south Russian ones – internally and the building. Galician ones have zero connection to them and are closer in look to “North ” Russian ones – though built worse. They have the lowest urban populations – they certainly dont have the least social problems you ridiculous retard.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Polish census included separate categories for Russians and Rusyns

    The bimbo, compulsive liar has landed!! There is no “separate category” in the way a misdirecting scumbag as yourself is claiming. There are the “Ruski” – i.e Russians, those who reject the austrian experiment of khokholism . Then there are Rossiski – i.e small number of Tsarist Francophiles who arrived in Poland from Russian Empire after Communism arrived.
     

    Ruski are Rusyns. Ruthenians.

    Just to be clear, the Polish census has a French translation of these terms (I'm reposting under the "more" tag).

    Ruski (Polish) is translated in the census as le ruthene (Ruthenian)

    Rosyjske (Polish) is translated in the census le russe (Russian)


    Actual Rusyns, those who think they are not Russian or Ukrainian, (but were usually russophile) would be mostly in Czechoslovakia
     
    There were lots of them in Lemko country which is Poland. Also the Polish government was eager to list Ukrainians who did not insist on such as Ruthenians, in order to diminish the number of people officially speaking Ukrainian.

    You are correct that the Rusyns tended to be Russophile.


    Ruski – Russians
     
    Rosyjske were be Russians. Ruski were Ruthenians.

    Ruthenian and Russian are the same thing here
     
    Lemko villagers in western Lwow province did not speak the Russian language lol.

    60 people is the likely number of those thinking they are Russian
     
    In the Galician countryside? Yes, 60 Russian-speakers makes sense.

    There were a few hundred in Lviv itself (which was another census page, I paste it under "more" ). They had a church in the city, one of my relatives was that church's choir director despite himself being a Greek Catholic.


    The Polish government actively supported the Ruthenian orientation because it was viewed as harmless compared to the Ukrainian one.

    Amusing, instantaneous BS. A total lie...All Ukrainian university departments were shut down in the 1920’s
     
    Half-truth. It replaced it the department of the Ukrainian language with the department of Ruthenian language.

    Ukrainians were banned from entering the Universities – except in circumstances of being total cuckhold to the Poles and swearing some special oath.
     
    https://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CL%5CV%5CLvivNationalUniversity.htm

    In the mid-1920s Ukrainians stopped boycotting Lviv University and their share among students began to grow. Already in 1925 Greek Catholics (virtually all of them Ukrainians) made up 14 percent of students, while Poles and Jews comprised 50 percent and 35 percent respectively. There were several Ukrainian student organizations at the university, and the first and largest of them was the Student Hromada, founded in 1924.


    The small number of Orthodox Churches were shutdown also.
     
    In Volhynia the Polish government shut down may Orthodox churches but in Lviv they allowed one for the Russian community. Real Russians.

    Armenian street in Lvov – Armenians used to live there
    Serbian street in Lvov – Serbians lived there
    Ruska street – Russians, those who think people of Rostov, Pskov, Moscow, Novgorod, Tver as same people as them
     
    Lviv is an old city and the street names predate the time when the Rusyns called themselves Ukrainians.

    The Rusyns of the Commonwealth after whom Ruska street is named called the Russians Moskali.

    Ruska street is right off the market square.


    Information I have is 100k-200k.
     
    Like other Sovoks you believe garbage. And you don't even have the common sense to question what you read - 100,000-200,000 missing people!

    Could be 25000
     
    Yes, 20,000-30,000. Many fled to Rostov-on-Don. I'd post interesting family photos but then I'd dox myself.

    The city was about 18% Ukrainian/Greek Catholic (some of those were Polish speaking, just as many Ukrainians in Kiev speak Russian)

    7.5%,
     
    I posted the census for Lwow city under "more."

    49,800 Greek Catholics in the city. 15,500 were Polish-speaking, 23,500 were Ukrainian-speaking, 10,600 were Ruthenian-speaking, and 40 were Russian-speaking.

    There were 348 Russian-speaking Orthodox in the city.


    On Talergof – estimates vary but its still mass murder, still evil events that had big historical effects on the region and influenced it heavily for decades after
     
    They were detained because many were spies and helpers of the enemy army during the time of war. Ironically a few Ukrainian nationalists also got sent there - some local Polish officials lied that they were pro-Russian.

    Russian wiki even says most estimates of deaths was 3,000, about 15% rate.


    You are just sad because the Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs. Prettiest cities, least social problems, prettiest and cleanest villages.

    Self-evident idiocy. And you have never been to make any comparison.
     

    So you keep lying.

    Here is a funny poster on a wall in Lviv from my trip in 2017, teasing president Poroshenko by calling him a piglet:

    https://i.imgur.com/T8VL8qh.jpeg

    And here is the city in the evening:

    https://i.imgur.com/vmqk7oZ.jpeg

    Ironically someone was playing a guitar and singing Russian rock from the 80s that night.


    The nearest public toilet to the Hermitage in one month gets more foreign tourists than Lvov
     
    You may be a fan of public toilets (is it a professional interest, in your case - something to do with your work in England?) but Lviv is a nice, clean, and beautiful city.

    Villages – you are clueless to make comparison
     
    I've seen Russian villages and they have garbage everywhere, are run down. Probably full of drunks. Galician ones have nice gardens, flowers, are clean. Like Polish ones, but poorer.

    The Galician countryside also has well-maintained shrines, like this one:

    https://i.imgur.com/kwCluxv.jpeg

    They are not bad places:

    https://i.imgur.com/BS2uRhp.jpeg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/1931_Census_of_Poland%2C_Lwow_Voivod%2C_table_10_Ludnosc-Population-pg.32.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/1931_Census_of_Poland%2C_Miasto_Lwow_%2C_table_10_Ludnosc-Population-pg.11.jpg/374px-1931_Census_of_Poland%2C_Miasto_Lwow_%2C_table_10_Ludnosc-Population-pg.11.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

  1010. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    that Austrian GDP, NOW, in 2024 is about 2.5 times that of Czechia
     
    Sovok "engineer" can't do math.

    Most recent figures are form 2022:

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=AT-CZ

    Austria $52,000
    Czechia: $27,000

    Not even twice as high.

    LOL.

    You fail here, as you've failed in life.


    Austria being the centre of an empire, one of the richest places in Europe for centuries, DOES explain the difference
     
    Austria was poorer than Czechia in the 1930s.

    Just as it does for centre of other European empires being richest places
     
    LOL.

    UK is poorer than Canada, New Zealand, and Australia. (and of course the USA, but the USA has become its own empire)

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=GB-CA-AU-NZ

    But we know - as a Sovok "engineer", math is beyond you.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    UK is poorer than Canada, New Zealand, and Australia. (and of course the USA, but the USA has become its own empire)

    French influence in Canada, but those 3 countries are mostly British descendants living there you dimwit who made it rich. Many legacy from Britain in the US( language, some elements of British in freakshow US court system, unit measurements). If it was like a French situation in Africa or Asia where they expelled all the French or Belgians and then the Algerians or Congons became rich……..there would be a point ……but there isn’t. Maori or Aborigine controlled state getting NZ or Australia to its current wealth levels? Take German/Austrian factor out of Switzerland and it would likely start to decline. UK to the rest of the Anglo-world is not same situation as Austria to the Czech/Slovaks/Hungarians or Portugal to Brazil.

    Austria $52,000
    Czechia: $27,000

    Not even twice as high.

    2.5 was your number. Anyway the fact is wealth disparity between Austrians and the Czechs/Slovaks and Hungarians is about the same, probably more than in 1991 when had Communism. And zero chance you would not have known that figures before writing your drivel

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Austria $52,000
    Czechia: $27,000

    Not even twice as high.

    2.5 was your number.
     
    2.5 was in 1989, when Czechoslovakia was Socialist.

    Then you wrote:

    that Austrian GDP, NOW, in 2024 is about 2.5 times that of Czechia

    Now it is less than 2 times higher.

    So after dropping socialism, Czechia's GDP has recovered a bit relative to Austria's.

    Of course, if Czechia never languished under Socialist rule, it would be as rich or maybe even richer than Austria, as had been the case in the 1930s. It may never recover from those lost 40 years.

    French influence in Canada, but those 3 countries are mostly British descendants living there you dimwit who made it rich. Many legacy from Britain in the US( language, some elements of British in freakshow US court system, unit measurements). If it was like a French situation in Africa or Asia where they expelled all the French or Belgians and then the Algerians or Congons became rich
     
    Pathetic excuses.

    Reminder that you insisted:

    Just as it does for centre of other European empires being richest places

    And UK is poorer than Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the USA.
  1011. @Gerard1234
    @AP


    UK is poorer than Canada, New Zealand, and Australia. (and of course the USA, but the USA has become its own empire)
     
    French influence in Canada, but those 3 countries are mostly British descendants living there you dimwit who made it rich. Many legacy from Britain in the US( language, some elements of British in freakshow US court system, unit measurements). If it was like a French situation in Africa or Asia where they expelled all the French or Belgians and then the Algerians or Congons became rich........there would be a point ......but there isn't. Maori or Aborigine controlled state getting NZ or Australia to its current wealth levels? Take German/Austrian factor out of Switzerland and it would likely start to decline. UK to the rest of the Anglo-world is not same situation as Austria to the Czech/Slovaks/Hungarians or Portugal to Brazil.

    Austria $52,000
    Czechia: $27,000

    Not even twice as high.
     
    2.5 was your number. Anyway the fact is wealth disparity between Austrians and the Czechs/Slovaks and Hungarians is about the same, probably more than in 1991 when had Communism. And zero chance you would not have known that figures before writing your drivel

    Replies: @AP

    Austria $52,000
    Czechia: $27,000

    Not even twice as high.

    2.5 was your number.

    2.5 was in 1989, when Czechoslovakia was Socialist.

    Then you wrote:

    that Austrian GDP, NOW, in 2024 is about 2.5 times that of Czechia

    Now it is less than 2 times higher.

    So after dropping socialism, Czechia’s GDP has recovered a bit relative to Austria’s.

    Of course, if Czechia never languished under Socialist rule, it would be as rich or maybe even richer than Austria, as had been the case in the 1930s. It may never recover from those lost 40 years.

    French influence in Canada, but those 3 countries are mostly British descendants living there you dimwit who made it rich. Many legacy from Britain in the US( language, some elements of British in freakshow US court system, unit measurements). If it was like a French situation in Africa or Asia where they expelled all the French or Belgians and then the Algerians or Congons became rich

    Pathetic excuses.

    Reminder that you insisted:

    Just as it does for centre of other European empires being richest places

    And UK is poorer than Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the USA.

  1012. AP says:
    @Gerard1234
    @AP


    Polish census included separate categories for Russians and Rusyns
     
    The bimbo, compulsive liar has landed!! There is no "separate category" in the way a misdirecting scumbag as yourself is claiming. There are the "Ruski" - i.e Russians, those who reject the austrian experiment of khokholism . Then there are Rossiski - i.e small number of Tsarist Francophiles who arrived in Poland from Russian Empire after Communism arrived. Actual Rusyns, those who think they are not Russian or Ukrainian, (but were usually russophile) would be mostly in Czechoslovakia you POS . It is in use of loser-fake nations to have this ambiguity.

    Ruski - Russians, those who think people of Rostov, Pskov, Moscow, Novgorod, Tver as same people as them in Galicia ( and don't believe in the idiotic fake of "Galicia heir to Kievan rus" clown BS) and on the language issue always viewed it as the same language as in the Russian empire - a dialect of it, with the literary language being the same. Many of them would probably convert to Orthodoxy in a second if given the chance.

    USSR was not even recognised as a country by most places around the world when the census was conducted you idiot, very unclear if anybody then would consider USSR as Russian like they would 20 years later. Or it they considered Ukrainian SSR as "Ukrainian". Ruski was the only option listed on all the other census before in this region.

    Out of 1.25 million Greek Catholics in Lwow province, 237,000 spoke Polish, 551,000 spoke Ukrainian, 465,000 spoke Ruthenian, and 66 spoke Russian.
     
    In addition to a tramp as yourself never visiting or being able to speak a word of Russian, Polish, Ukrainian......the bimbo you are is too thick to understand that Ruthenian and Russian are the same thing here, with the "Ruski"/Ruthenian - the term more familiar to them.........and the non-identification as "Ukrainian" being critical itself you stupid dickhead. You that much of a serial liar/serial dumbf**k to think 60 people is the likely number of those thinking they are Russian?!!! Hilarious.

    The Polish government actively supported the Ruthenian orientation because it was viewed as harmless compared to the Ukrainian one.
     
    Amusing, instantaneous BS. A total lie.

    So for example they renamed the Ukrainian language department at Lviv’s university into Ruthenian language.
     
    All Ukrainian university departments were shut down in the 1920's . "Little Pole" was also a common name given to ukrops by them. Ukrainians were banned from entering the Universities - except in circumstances of being total cuckhold to the Poles and swearing some special oath. All very confusing with a Ukrainian SSR bordering Poland on what names to use. But either way it just an irrelevant semantic name change if it happened (which I doubt). They banned teaching in mova and about mova - and that is what is relevant. The banning of "Ukrainian" did not mean some promotion and teaching of a mythical "Ruthenian" language you imbecilic misdirecting liar POS!!! (WTF is wrong with you?) The small number of Orthodox Churches were shutdown also.

    Going on to a subject you also know f**k all about as have never visited ( the city of Lvov) ;

    Armenian street in Lvov - Armenians used to live there
    Serbian street in Lvov - Serbians lived there
    Ruska street - Russians, those who think people of Rostov, Pskov, Moscow, Novgorod, Tver as same people as them , lived there
    "Ukrainian" street in Lvov..........not there.

    Sovok civil “engineer” doesn’t know math. About 20,000-30,000 fled. If 100,000s were missing this massive population drop would have been reflected in later censuses.

     

    Information I have is 100k-200k. Could be 25000 - but either way anything you claim has zero credibility to it

    The city was about 18% Ukrainian/Greek Catholic (some of those were Polish speaking, just as many Ukrainians in Kiev speak Russian)
     
    7.5%, idiot, for reasons listed above - clearly the Russian self-defined I am not going to class as "Ukrainian". Maximum it would then be is 12.5%. Totally ethnic Poles being Uniates was certainly not zero, Armenians, as in Russian empire Polish-speaking Jews forced conversion to or pretending to be Christians......either way, ukrops distinct outsiders in their own "national centre".


    About 3,000 died in Talerhof. My great-grandfather survived it.

    Many of them were, actually, spies for the Russians or had worked with them. My great-grandfather had hosted Brusilov (or Bobrinsky) at his estate and refused to flee to Rostov when the Austrians returned, though his oldest sons escaped to Petrograd. Great-grandfather was released via intervention from a cousin in the government.
     
    That's as believable as myself being the first cosmonaut to visit Neptune. You're a liar and a disturbed fantasist. Again, its quite sickening that the internet produces such wakjobs. On Talergof - estimates vary but its still mass murder, still evil events that had big historical effects on the region and influenced it heavily for decades after that, even now. Number who died there could easily be 10000+. 60000+ the claimed number of Russophiles could have been killed in the region during that period.
    Then the issue is the 400-half a million who left during the disaster of living in Polish cesspit - where did they leave and what allegiance would they majority be to?Anybody who did not go to Czechoslovakia, most likely Russian Galician not Ukronazi.

    You are just sad because the Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs. Prettiest cities, least social problems, prettiest and cleanest villages.
     
    Self-evident idiocy. And you have never been to make any comparison. The nearest public toilet to the Hermitage in one month gets more foreign tourists than Lvov or Ivano-Frankovsk gets in 1o years you stupid prick. Nowhere near as good looking as the Russian cities. Villages - you are clueless to make comparison. Anyway you have no idea that traditional houses in Ukrainian villages are very similar/same to south Russian ones - internally and the building. Galician ones have zero connection to them and are closer in look to "North " Russian ones - though built worse. They have the lowest urban populations - they certainly dont have the least social problems you ridiculous retard.

    Replies: @AP

    Polish census included separate categories for Russians and Rusyns

    The bimbo, compulsive liar has landed!! There is no “separate category” in the way a misdirecting scumbag as yourself is claiming. There are the “Ruski” – i.e Russians, those who reject the austrian experiment of khokholism . Then there are Rossiski – i.e small number of Tsarist Francophiles who arrived in Poland from Russian Empire after Communism arrived.

    Ruski are Rusyns. Ruthenians.

    Just to be clear, the Polish census has a French translation of these terms (I’m reposting under the “more” tag).

    Ruski (Polish) is translated in the census as le ruthene (Ruthenian)

    Rosyjske (Polish) is translated in the census le russe (Russian)

    Actual Rusyns, those who think they are not Russian or Ukrainian, (but were usually russophile) would be mostly in Czechoslovakia

    There were lots of them in Lemko country which is Poland. Also the Polish government was eager to list Ukrainians who did not insist on such as Ruthenians, in order to diminish the number of people officially speaking Ukrainian.

    You are correct that the Rusyns tended to be Russophile.

    Ruski – Russians

    Rosyjske were be Russians. Ruski were Ruthenians.

    Ruthenian and Russian are the same thing here

    Lemko villagers in western Lwow province did not speak the Russian language lol.

    60 people is the likely number of those thinking they are Russian

    In the Galician countryside? Yes, 60 Russian-speakers makes sense.

    There were a few hundred in Lviv itself (which was another census page, I paste it under “more” ). They had a church in the city, one of my relatives was that church’s choir director despite himself being a Greek Catholic.

    The Polish government actively supported the Ruthenian orientation because it was viewed as harmless compared to the Ukrainian one.

    Amusing, instantaneous BS. A total lie…All Ukrainian university departments were shut down in the 1920’s

    Half-truth. It replaced it the department of the Ukrainian language with the department of Ruthenian language.

    Ukrainians were banned from entering the Universities – except in circumstances of being total cuckhold to the Poles and swearing some special oath.

    https://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CL%5CV%5CLvivNationalUniversity.htm

    In the mid-1920s Ukrainians stopped boycotting Lviv University and their share among students began to grow. Already in 1925 Greek Catholics (virtually all of them Ukrainians) made up 14 percent of students, while Poles and Jews comprised 50 percent and 35 percent respectively. There were several Ukrainian student organizations at the university, and the first and largest of them was the Student Hromada, founded in 1924.

    The small number of Orthodox Churches were shutdown also.

    In Volhynia the Polish government shut down may Orthodox churches but in Lviv they allowed one for the Russian community. Real Russians.

    Armenian street in Lvov – Armenians used to live there
    Serbian street in Lvov – Serbians lived there
    Ruska street – Russians, those who think people of Rostov, Pskov, Moscow, Novgorod, Tver as same people as them

    Lviv is an old city and the street names predate the time when the Rusyns called themselves Ukrainians.

    The Rusyns of the Commonwealth after whom Ruska street is named called the Russians Moskali.

    Ruska street is right off the market square.

    Information I have is 100k-200k.

    Like other Sovoks you believe garbage. And you don’t even have the common sense to question what you read – 100,000-200,000 missing people!

    Could be 25000

    Yes, 20,000-30,000. Many fled to Rostov-on-Don. I’d post interesting family photos but then I’d dox myself.

    The city was about 18% Ukrainian/Greek Catholic (some of those were Polish speaking, just as many Ukrainians in Kiev speak Russian)

    7.5%,

    I posted the census for Lwow city under “more.”

    49,800 Greek Catholics in the city. 15,500 were Polish-speaking, 23,500 were Ukrainian-speaking, 10,600 were Ruthenian-speaking, and 40 were Russian-speaking.

    There were 348 Russian-speaking Orthodox in the city.

    On Talergof – estimates vary but its still mass murder, still evil events that had big historical effects on the region and influenced it heavily for decades after

    They were detained because many were spies and helpers of the enemy army during the time of war. Ironically a few Ukrainian nationalists also got sent there – some local Polish officials lied that they were pro-Russian.

    Russian wiki even says most estimates of deaths was 3,000, about 15% rate.

    You are just sad because the Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs. Prettiest cities, least social problems, prettiest and cleanest villages.

    Self-evident idiocy. And you have never been to make any comparison.

    So you keep lying.

    Here is a funny poster on a wall in Lviv from my trip in 2017, teasing president Poroshenko by calling him a piglet:

    And here is the city in the evening:

    Ironically someone was playing a guitar and singing Russian rock from the 80s that night.

    The nearest public toilet to the Hermitage in one month gets more foreign tourists than Lvov

    You may be a fan of public toilets (is it a professional interest, in your case – something to do with your work in England?) but Lviv is a nice, clean, and beautiful city.

    Villages – you are clueless to make comparison

    I’ve seen Russian villages and they have garbage everywhere, are run down. Probably full of drunks. Galician ones have nice gardens, flowers, are clean. Like Polish ones, but poorer.

    The Galician countryside also has well-maintained shrines, like this one:

    They are not bad places:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    You may be a fan of public toilets (is it a professional interest, in your case – something to do with your work in England?) but Lviv is a nice, clean, and beautiful city.
     
    Poor, poor Gerard. He certainly set himself up for this one. :-)
    , @Gerard1234
    @AP

    The lying BS of Ruski is totally different to Russian was to delinquent for me to bother reading the rest of this nonsense. Particularly with the tedious waste of time of a sick freak as yourself falsely promoting nonsense about the socialist economies when obvious 30+ years of post-communism has not moved things in their favour compared to Austria. Useless idiot

    Face facts that the 50/50 Ukrainian to Russian split in Lvov is embarassing to a prick with no-life like yourself.

  1013. @AP
    @Derer

    It's a good enough proxy. But it's not perfect. The people of the socialist countries were poorer than their GDP indicates because a lot of the GDP was used on military.

    There are also wages. Unfortunately I only found them as far back as 1995. So 5 years after 40 years of socialism ended.

    In adjusted 2022 dollars, annual wages in Czechia in 1995 were $16,612 and in Slovakia were $12,627.

    In Portugal they were $27,425.

    Czechia would have been like Austria, if not for 40 years of socialism.

    In Austria it was $53,729.

    https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?DataSetCode=AV_AN_WAGE#

    Socialism means squalor and poverty.

    But since everyone was more or less equally poor, they were more satisfied.

    Incidentally, in 2022 Austria was at $63,800 and Czechia was at $33,400.

    So 30 years after dropping socialism, Czech wages have more than doubled and Czech wages are now about half of Austrian wages, rather than less than 1/3.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Derer

    I am not going to defend centrally planned economy but for poverty one has to factor some other variables like medical cost, education or judicial system for profit. In US people have to sell their home in order to have life saving surgery. Ontario widower stuck with US$100K+ medical bill after late wife hospitalized on vacation.

    That is why 51% of East Germans suggested they were happier under communist tyranny then being unified. That does not mean wealthier but happier.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Derer


    I am not going to defend centrally planned economy but for poverty one has to factor some other variables like medical cost, education or judicial system for profit. In US people
     
    Poor people in the USA have free healthcare (much better than what regular people in Socialist countries had, with access to transplants, MRIs, etc.) and free education (scholarships) if they are smart and have excellent grades and test results (same situation for people in socialist countries).

    The people who had trouble are the lower middle class who didn’t have health insurance or had cheap and bad insurance. Those are the ones selling their homes - they aren’t poor enough to get free healthcare and they have homes to sell. Poor people don’t - they live for free in apartments from the government which are not much different from crappy Socialist housing.

    As I said, in socialist countries regular people live materially like poor people in the American ghetto. Of course this is it materially. Life was much more pleasant - American poor people are much more violent, more likely to throw garbage in the streets, and more likely to use drugs etc. And they don’t have a taste for theater. But if in the USA middle class people were forced to live in an economic environment like that of ghetto people the result would resemble a Socialist country.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Supply and Demand
    @Derer

    If the Ontario widower was white, it’s good that they lost their home.

  1014. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    In such a scenario (no Communism), Slovenia would have also been similar to Austria, no?
     
    Slovenia had a lighter form of Socialism in Yugoslavia, and avoided the wars when Yugoslavia split.

    It's annual wages in PPP terms were $28,385 in 1995 and $47,400 in 2022 - much higher than Czechia's and closer to Austria's.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @WS

    In such a scenario (no Communism), Slovenia would have also been similar to Austria, no?

    It was not so linear;
    Slovenia (Carniola, South Styria and South Carinthia, rural parts of Gorizia and Trieste, Istria) were rural less developed parts of Austria, Bohemia was the most developed; After WWI Slovenia heavily industrialized due to the restricted import conditions of first Yugoslavia, mainly by investments and know-how from Czech businessman, who opened factories in Slovenia to stay on the south-east market.

    After WWII Slovenians continued development of industry and catch Czechia in seventies in GDP terms and was ahead in 1990, and Austria well ahead of both.

    After 1990, we see gradual convergence of GDP figures, esspecially in PPP terms, but in last years as well in nominal figures. So in some distant future there will be only very minute differences by my opinion among all 3 states.

    And actual GDP PPP difference between Austria and Slovenia is probably the same as it was in 1914.

    • Replies: @AP
    @WS

    Interesting. Slovenia may have been particularly fortunate. But this suggests that it would otherwise have been similar to the adjacent rural Austrian region of Carinthia (which is much less densely populated than Slovenia), which is not poor.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  1015. @Derer
    @AP

    I am not going to defend centrally planned economy but for poverty one has to factor some other variables like medical cost, education or judicial system for profit. In US people have to sell their home in order to have life saving surgery. Ontario widower stuck with US$100K+ medical bill after late wife hospitalized on vacation.

    That is why 51% of East Germans suggested they were happier under communist tyranny then being unified. That does not mean wealthier but happier.

    Replies: @AP, @Supply and Demand

    I am not going to defend centrally planned economy but for poverty one has to factor some other variables like medical cost, education or judicial system for profit. In US people

    Poor people in the USA have free healthcare (much better than what regular people in Socialist countries had, with access to transplants, MRIs, etc.) and free education (scholarships) if they are smart and have excellent grades and test results (same situation for people in socialist countries).

    The people who had trouble are the lower middle class who didn’t have health insurance or had cheap and bad insurance. Those are the ones selling their homes – they aren’t poor enough to get free healthcare and they have homes to sell. Poor people don’t – they live for free in apartments from the government which are not much different from crappy Socialist housing.

    As I said, in socialist countries regular people live materially like poor people in the American ghetto. Of course this is it materially. Life was much more pleasant – American poor people are much more violent, more likely to throw garbage in the streets, and more likely to use drugs etc. And they don’t have a taste for theater. But if in the USA middle class people were forced to live in an economic environment like that of ghetto people the result would resemble a Socialist country.

    • Agree: Mr. XYZ
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @AP

    Poor people in the USA have free healthcare (much better than what regular people in Socialist countries had, with access to transplants, MRIs, etc.) and free education (scholarships) if they are smart and have excellent grades and test results (same situation for people in socialist countries).

    The people who had trouble are the lower middle class who didn’t have health insurance or had cheap and bad insurance.

    I would add that the middle class can get stuck with ridiculous bills.

    For the poor it is all sent to the government. They only have to provide a name. Meaning they don't even need to carry a card.

    Most of our idiot conservatives don't even understand who gets screwed. They think middle class Christians all live happily ever after in America. I really hate our Republicans for this reason. They listen to talking heads on Fox and think the poor deserve to be kicked and the middle class have healthcare.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  1016. @WS
    @AP


    In such a scenario (no Communism), Slovenia would have also been similar to Austria, no?
     
    It was not so linear;
    Slovenia (Carniola, South Styria and South Carinthia, rural parts of Gorizia and Trieste, Istria) were rural less developed parts of Austria, Bohemia was the most developed; After WWI Slovenia heavily industrialized due to the restricted import conditions of first Yugoslavia, mainly by investments and know-how from Czech businessman, who opened factories in Slovenia to stay on the south-east market.

    After WWII Slovenians continued development of industry and catch Czechia in seventies in GDP terms and was ahead in 1990, and Austria well ahead of both.

    After 1990, we see gradual convergence of GDP figures, esspecially in PPP terms, but in last years as well in nominal figures. So in some distant future there will be only very minute differences by my opinion among all 3 states.

    And actual GDP PPP difference between Austria and Slovenia is probably the same as it was in 1914.

    Replies: @AP

    Interesting. Slovenia may have been particularly fortunate. But this suggests that it would otherwise have been similar to the adjacent rural Austrian region of Carinthia (which is much less densely populated than Slovenia), which is not poor.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    What's interesting is that apparently Carinthia might have historically been Slovene-majority--indeed as late as the early 1800s:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carinthian_Slovenes#:~:text=Carinthian%20Slovenes%20or%20Carinthian%20Slovenians,state%20of%20Carinthia%2C%20neighboring%20Slovenia.

    The Slovene population there went into a sharp decline after 1818. Whether due to mass Germanization or due to mass migration southwards or due to some combination of these two factors, I cannot say.

    Replies: @WS

  1017. DP in PPS1), Slovenian and neighboring NUTS2 regions, 2021
    Per capita, Index, EU = 100
    Evropska unija 100.0
    Steiermark 112.0
    Kärnten 109.0
    Zahodna Slovenija 108.0
    Friuli-Venezia Giulia 103.0
    Burgenland (AT) 87.0
    Vzhodna Slovenija 74.0
    Nyugat-Dunántúl 68.0
    Jadranska Hrvatska 65.0
    Sjeverna Hrvatska 56.0
    Panonska Hrvatska 44.0
    1) Purchasing power standard (PPS) is the technical term used by Eurostat for the common currency in which national accounts aggregates are expressed when adjusted for price level differences using special converters – PPPs. 1 PPS at the level of EU equals to one euro.
    Source: Eurostat data, licensed under CC BY 4.0G

  1018. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    close at halftime
     
    I sometimes wish they brought intermissions back. Though it has been quite a while since I was in a theater. I saw Return of the King in the theater and it was quite a struggle to sit still for that long.

    Thanks, that was very interesting. Had no idea that expanding the screen had been so technically complicated.

    Had heard that they had abandoned earlier efforts to do so because of the Great Depression, but it was kind of hard for me to understand, why they just didn't use different film stock. But I guess everything is tied to the lens. Even Cinemascope, which didn't use a curved screen, used adapters on projectors and somehow compressed the image in a distorted way, when it was being shot.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CinemaScope

    The only curved theater I ever went to was this one. Nimoy, who was a native of a completely torn down neighborhood (West End) narrated at the start, before they played any film.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mugar_Omni_Theater

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I can only remember watching about a half dozen of the Cinerama movies back in the day. It was not an everyday sort of affair, but more of a sunday afternoon one with the whole family bundling up and driving to the theater decked out in some nice clothing too. Dad was an amateur photographer who owned several different Leica cameras, so I’m sure watching these films on the large screen was kind of mind blowing for him. Anyway, reviewing the wiki article that I enclosed, there’s a large listing of all of the films created back then for this new technology, many that I never saw.

    I’ve wondered why IMAX has never tried to dust off the canisters including these films and reshow them for a new audience…of aging boomers? I’d definitely buy a ticket to see some of the ones that I already remember seeing as a kid, and also many more that I never saw before. It’s not as if IMAX is regularly showing high priced major features (a lot of documentaries, as I recall), and here’s a whole treasure trove of great films, and boomers I suspect would be willing to view these films for a second time, not to mention serious younger film buffs to. The technologies back then must be compatible with what IMAX uses today:

    [MORE]

    Year Title Filmed in Notes
    1952 This Is Cinerama 3-Strip Cinerama re-released in 1972 in 70 mm Cinerama
    1955 Cinerama Holiday 3-Strip Cinerama
    1956 Seven Wonders of the World 3-Strip Cinerama
    1957 Search for Paradise 3-Strip Cinerama
    1958 South Seas Adventure 3-Strip Cinerama
    1958 Windjammer 3-strip Cinemiracle Later exhibited in Cinerama
    1962 The Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm 3-Strip Cinerama
    1962 Holiday in Spain Todd-70 A re-edited version of Scent of Mystery; converted to 3-strip Cinemiracle and exhibited in both Cinemiracle and Cinerama
    1962 How The West Was Won 3-strip Cinerama Some sequences were filmed in Ultra Panavision 70
    1963 The Best of Cinerama 3-Strip Cinerama
    1963 It’s a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World Ultra Panavision 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1964 Circus World Super Technirama 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1964 Mediterranean Holiday MCS-70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1965 The Golden Head Super Technirama 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama in Europe only
    1965 La Fayette Super Technirama 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama in Europe only
    1965 Chronicle of Flaming Years Sovscope 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama in Europe only
    1965 The Black Tulip MCS-70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama in Europe only
    1965 The Greatest Story Ever Told Ultra Panavision 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1965 The Hallelujah Trail Ultra Panavision 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1965 Battle of the Bulge Ultra Panavision 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1966 Cinerama’s Russian Adventure Kinopanorama Presented in both 3-strip and 70 mm Cinerama
    1966 Khartoum Ultra Panavision 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1966 Grand Prix Super Panavision 70 with some sequences in MCS-70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1967 Custer of the West Super Technirama 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1968 2001: A Space Odyssey Super Panavision 70 with some scenes in Todd-AO and MCS-70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1968 Ice Station Zebra Super Panavision 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1969 Krakatoa, East of Java Super Panavision 70 and Todd-AO Presented in 70 mm Cinerama
    1970 Song of Norway Super Panavision 70 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama in UK and Canada only
    1972 The Great Waltz 35 mm Panavision Presented in 70 mm Cinerama in UK only
    1974 Run, Run, Joe! Todd-AO 35 Presented in 70 mm Cinerama in UK only
    2015 The Hateful Eight Ultra Panav

    • Thanks: songbird
  1019. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Polish census included separate categories for Russians and Rusyns

    The bimbo, compulsive liar has landed!! There is no “separate category” in the way a misdirecting scumbag as yourself is claiming. There are the “Ruski” – i.e Russians, those who reject the austrian experiment of khokholism . Then there are Rossiski – i.e small number of Tsarist Francophiles who arrived in Poland from Russian Empire after Communism arrived.
     

    Ruski are Rusyns. Ruthenians.

    Just to be clear, the Polish census has a French translation of these terms (I'm reposting under the "more" tag).

    Ruski (Polish) is translated in the census as le ruthene (Ruthenian)

    Rosyjske (Polish) is translated in the census le russe (Russian)


    Actual Rusyns, those who think they are not Russian or Ukrainian, (but were usually russophile) would be mostly in Czechoslovakia
     
    There were lots of them in Lemko country which is Poland. Also the Polish government was eager to list Ukrainians who did not insist on such as Ruthenians, in order to diminish the number of people officially speaking Ukrainian.

    You are correct that the Rusyns tended to be Russophile.


    Ruski – Russians
     
    Rosyjske were be Russians. Ruski were Ruthenians.

    Ruthenian and Russian are the same thing here
     
    Lemko villagers in western Lwow province did not speak the Russian language lol.

    60 people is the likely number of those thinking they are Russian
     
    In the Galician countryside? Yes, 60 Russian-speakers makes sense.

    There were a few hundred in Lviv itself (which was another census page, I paste it under "more" ). They had a church in the city, one of my relatives was that church's choir director despite himself being a Greek Catholic.


    The Polish government actively supported the Ruthenian orientation because it was viewed as harmless compared to the Ukrainian one.

    Amusing, instantaneous BS. A total lie...All Ukrainian university departments were shut down in the 1920’s
     
    Half-truth. It replaced it the department of the Ukrainian language with the department of Ruthenian language.

    Ukrainians were banned from entering the Universities – except in circumstances of being total cuckhold to the Poles and swearing some special oath.
     
    https://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CL%5CV%5CLvivNationalUniversity.htm

    In the mid-1920s Ukrainians stopped boycotting Lviv University and their share among students began to grow. Already in 1925 Greek Catholics (virtually all of them Ukrainians) made up 14 percent of students, while Poles and Jews comprised 50 percent and 35 percent respectively. There were several Ukrainian student organizations at the university, and the first and largest of them was the Student Hromada, founded in 1924.


    The small number of Orthodox Churches were shutdown also.
     
    In Volhynia the Polish government shut down may Orthodox churches but in Lviv they allowed one for the Russian community. Real Russians.

    Armenian street in Lvov – Armenians used to live there
    Serbian street in Lvov – Serbians lived there
    Ruska street – Russians, those who think people of Rostov, Pskov, Moscow, Novgorod, Tver as same people as them
     
    Lviv is an old city and the street names predate the time when the Rusyns called themselves Ukrainians.

    The Rusyns of the Commonwealth after whom Ruska street is named called the Russians Moskali.

    Ruska street is right off the market square.


    Information I have is 100k-200k.
     
    Like other Sovoks you believe garbage. And you don't even have the common sense to question what you read - 100,000-200,000 missing people!

    Could be 25000
     
    Yes, 20,000-30,000. Many fled to Rostov-on-Don. I'd post interesting family photos but then I'd dox myself.

    The city was about 18% Ukrainian/Greek Catholic (some of those were Polish speaking, just as many Ukrainians in Kiev speak Russian)

    7.5%,
     
    I posted the census for Lwow city under "more."

    49,800 Greek Catholics in the city. 15,500 were Polish-speaking, 23,500 were Ukrainian-speaking, 10,600 were Ruthenian-speaking, and 40 were Russian-speaking.

    There were 348 Russian-speaking Orthodox in the city.


    On Talergof – estimates vary but its still mass murder, still evil events that had big historical effects on the region and influenced it heavily for decades after
     
    They were detained because many were spies and helpers of the enemy army during the time of war. Ironically a few Ukrainian nationalists also got sent there - some local Polish officials lied that they were pro-Russian.

    Russian wiki even says most estimates of deaths was 3,000, about 15% rate.


    You are just sad because the Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs. Prettiest cities, least social problems, prettiest and cleanest villages.

    Self-evident idiocy. And you have never been to make any comparison.
     

    So you keep lying.

    Here is a funny poster on a wall in Lviv from my trip in 2017, teasing president Poroshenko by calling him a piglet:

    https://i.imgur.com/T8VL8qh.jpeg

    And here is the city in the evening:

    https://i.imgur.com/vmqk7oZ.jpeg

    Ironically someone was playing a guitar and singing Russian rock from the 80s that night.


    The nearest public toilet to the Hermitage in one month gets more foreign tourists than Lvov
     
    You may be a fan of public toilets (is it a professional interest, in your case - something to do with your work in England?) but Lviv is a nice, clean, and beautiful city.

    Villages – you are clueless to make comparison
     
    I've seen Russian villages and they have garbage everywhere, are run down. Probably full of drunks. Galician ones have nice gardens, flowers, are clean. Like Polish ones, but poorer.

    The Galician countryside also has well-maintained shrines, like this one:

    https://i.imgur.com/kwCluxv.jpeg

    They are not bad places:

    https://i.imgur.com/BS2uRhp.jpeg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/1931_Census_of_Poland%2C_Lwow_Voivod%2C_table_10_Ludnosc-Population-pg.32.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/1931_Census_of_Poland%2C_Miasto_Lwow_%2C_table_10_Ludnosc-Population-pg.11.jpg/374px-1931_Census_of_Poland%2C_Miasto_Lwow_%2C_table_10_Ludnosc-Population-pg.11.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

    You may be a fan of public toilets (is it a professional interest, in your case – something to do with your work in England?) but Lviv is a nice, clean, and beautiful city.

    Poor, poor Gerard. He certainly set himself up for this one. 🙂

  1020. @AP
    @Gerard1234


    Polish census included separate categories for Russians and Rusyns

    The bimbo, compulsive liar has landed!! There is no “separate category” in the way a misdirecting scumbag as yourself is claiming. There are the “Ruski” – i.e Russians, those who reject the austrian experiment of khokholism . Then there are Rossiski – i.e small number of Tsarist Francophiles who arrived in Poland from Russian Empire after Communism arrived.
     

    Ruski are Rusyns. Ruthenians.

    Just to be clear, the Polish census has a French translation of these terms (I'm reposting under the "more" tag).

    Ruski (Polish) is translated in the census as le ruthene (Ruthenian)

    Rosyjske (Polish) is translated in the census le russe (Russian)


    Actual Rusyns, those who think they are not Russian or Ukrainian, (but were usually russophile) would be mostly in Czechoslovakia
     
    There were lots of them in Lemko country which is Poland. Also the Polish government was eager to list Ukrainians who did not insist on such as Ruthenians, in order to diminish the number of people officially speaking Ukrainian.

    You are correct that the Rusyns tended to be Russophile.


    Ruski – Russians
     
    Rosyjske were be Russians. Ruski were Ruthenians.

    Ruthenian and Russian are the same thing here
     
    Lemko villagers in western Lwow province did not speak the Russian language lol.

    60 people is the likely number of those thinking they are Russian
     
    In the Galician countryside? Yes, 60 Russian-speakers makes sense.

    There were a few hundred in Lviv itself (which was another census page, I paste it under "more" ). They had a church in the city, one of my relatives was that church's choir director despite himself being a Greek Catholic.


    The Polish government actively supported the Ruthenian orientation because it was viewed as harmless compared to the Ukrainian one.

    Amusing, instantaneous BS. A total lie...All Ukrainian university departments were shut down in the 1920’s
     
    Half-truth. It replaced it the department of the Ukrainian language with the department of Ruthenian language.

    Ukrainians were banned from entering the Universities – except in circumstances of being total cuckhold to the Poles and swearing some special oath.
     
    https://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CL%5CV%5CLvivNationalUniversity.htm

    In the mid-1920s Ukrainians stopped boycotting Lviv University and their share among students began to grow. Already in 1925 Greek Catholics (virtually all of them Ukrainians) made up 14 percent of students, while Poles and Jews comprised 50 percent and 35 percent respectively. There were several Ukrainian student organizations at the university, and the first and largest of them was the Student Hromada, founded in 1924.


    The small number of Orthodox Churches were shutdown also.
     
    In Volhynia the Polish government shut down may Orthodox churches but in Lviv they allowed one for the Russian community. Real Russians.

    Armenian street in Lvov – Armenians used to live there
    Serbian street in Lvov – Serbians lived there
    Ruska street – Russians, those who think people of Rostov, Pskov, Moscow, Novgorod, Tver as same people as them
     
    Lviv is an old city and the street names predate the time when the Rusyns called themselves Ukrainians.

    The Rusyns of the Commonwealth after whom Ruska street is named called the Russians Moskali.

    Ruska street is right off the market square.


    Information I have is 100k-200k.
     
    Like other Sovoks you believe garbage. And you don't even have the common sense to question what you read - 100,000-200,000 missing people!

    Could be 25000
     
    Yes, 20,000-30,000. Many fled to Rostov-on-Don. I'd post interesting family photos but then I'd dox myself.

    The city was about 18% Ukrainian/Greek Catholic (some of those were Polish speaking, just as many Ukrainians in Kiev speak Russian)

    7.5%,
     
    I posted the census for Lwow city under "more."

    49,800 Greek Catholics in the city. 15,500 were Polish-speaking, 23,500 were Ukrainian-speaking, 10,600 were Ruthenian-speaking, and 40 were Russian-speaking.

    There were 348 Russian-speaking Orthodox in the city.


    On Talergof – estimates vary but its still mass murder, still evil events that had big historical effects on the region and influenced it heavily for decades after
     
    They were detained because many were spies and helpers of the enemy army during the time of war. Ironically a few Ukrainian nationalists also got sent there - some local Polish officials lied that they were pro-Russian.

    Russian wiki even says most estimates of deaths was 3,000, about 15% rate.


    You are just sad because the Galicians are the best of the Eastern Slavs. Prettiest cities, least social problems, prettiest and cleanest villages.

    Self-evident idiocy. And you have never been to make any comparison.
     

    So you keep lying.

    Here is a funny poster on a wall in Lviv from my trip in 2017, teasing president Poroshenko by calling him a piglet:

    https://i.imgur.com/T8VL8qh.jpeg

    And here is the city in the evening:

    https://i.imgur.com/vmqk7oZ.jpeg

    Ironically someone was playing a guitar and singing Russian rock from the 80s that night.


    The nearest public toilet to the Hermitage in one month gets more foreign tourists than Lvov
     
    You may be a fan of public toilets (is it a professional interest, in your case - something to do with your work in England?) but Lviv is a nice, clean, and beautiful city.

    Villages – you are clueless to make comparison
     
    I've seen Russian villages and they have garbage everywhere, are run down. Probably full of drunks. Galician ones have nice gardens, flowers, are clean. Like Polish ones, but poorer.

    The Galician countryside also has well-maintained shrines, like this one:

    https://i.imgur.com/kwCluxv.jpeg

    They are not bad places:

    https://i.imgur.com/BS2uRhp.jpeg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/1931_Census_of_Poland%2C_Lwow_Voivod%2C_table_10_Ludnosc-Population-pg.32.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/1931_Census_of_Poland%2C_Miasto_Lwow_%2C_table_10_Ludnosc-Population-pg.11.jpg/374px-1931_Census_of_Poland%2C_Miasto_Lwow_%2C_table_10_Ludnosc-Population-pg.11.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

    The lying BS of Ruski is totally different to Russian was to delinquent for me to bother reading the rest of this nonsense. Particularly with the tedious waste of time of a sick freak as yourself falsely promoting nonsense about the socialist economies when obvious 30+ years of post-communism has not moved things in their favour compared to Austria. Useless idiot

    Face facts that the 50/50 Ukrainian to Russian split in Lvov is embarassing to a prick with no-life like yourself.

  1021. @Derer
    @AP

    I am not going to defend centrally planned economy but for poverty one has to factor some other variables like medical cost, education or judicial system for profit. In US people have to sell their home in order to have life saving surgery. Ontario widower stuck with US$100K+ medical bill after late wife hospitalized on vacation.

    That is why 51% of East Germans suggested they were happier under communist tyranny then being unified. That does not mean wealthier but happier.

    Replies: @AP, @Supply and Demand

    If the Ontario widower was white, it’s good that they lost their home.

  1022. @AP
    @Derer


    I am not going to defend centrally planned economy but for poverty one has to factor some other variables like medical cost, education or judicial system for profit. In US people
     
    Poor people in the USA have free healthcare (much better than what regular people in Socialist countries had, with access to transplants, MRIs, etc.) and free education (scholarships) if they are smart and have excellent grades and test results (same situation for people in socialist countries).

    The people who had trouble are the lower middle class who didn’t have health insurance or had cheap and bad insurance. Those are the ones selling their homes - they aren’t poor enough to get free healthcare and they have homes to sell. Poor people don’t - they live for free in apartments from the government which are not much different from crappy Socialist housing.

    As I said, in socialist countries regular people live materially like poor people in the American ghetto. Of course this is it materially. Life was much more pleasant - American poor people are much more violent, more likely to throw garbage in the streets, and more likely to use drugs etc. And they don’t have a taste for theater. But if in the USA middle class people were forced to live in an economic environment like that of ghetto people the result would resemble a Socialist country.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Poor people in the USA have free healthcare (much better than what regular people in Socialist countries had, with access to transplants, MRIs, etc.) and free education (scholarships) if they are smart and have excellent grades and test results (same situation for people in socialist countries).

    The people who had trouble are the lower middle class who didn’t have health insurance or had cheap and bad insurance.

    I would add that the middle class can get stuck with ridiculous bills.

    For the poor it is all sent to the government. They only have to provide a name. Meaning they don’t even need to carry a card.

    Most of our idiot conservatives don’t even understand who gets screwed. They think middle class Christians all live happily ever after in America. I really hate our Republicans for this reason. They listen to talking heads on Fox and think the poor deserve to be kicked and the middle class have healthcare.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    Do you think that Democrats are the more pro-middle-class party in the US? A lot of middle-class suburbanites have moved in their direction over the last 25 years.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  1023. Another move from the master strategist:

    A train defense? Really?

    • Replies: @Another Polish Perspective
    @John Johnson

    Maybe a form of masking - Russia has nuclear weapons mounted on train wagons.
    Which is one among 2000...?

  1024. @German_reader
    @silviosilver


    But who was there to make those different decisions?
     
    I think you're right insofar as it's clear that the roots of our current situation go back to at least the 1980s (in some ways earlier, like with the civil rights revolution in the US, or the end of the White Australia policy in Australia). But in the early to mid-1990s a lot of different choices could still have been taken, and sometimes actually were taken, albeit in too half-hearted a manner. In Germany the right to asylum was greatly restricted in 1992. The open borders Left never accepted it, and their constant subversion and agitation eventually bore fruit in 2014/15. But while the situation wasn't great even back then, for over 20 years the sort of mass immigration that has now been totally normalized seemed hard to imagine. In Britain the real watershed is 1997, before immigration was more in the region of tens of thousands each year, and steps had been taken to restrict practices like Pakistanis constantly importing new spouses etc. The decision to open the gates was deliberate. Even in the US, iirc there was still serious bipartisan talk about greatly restricting immigration in the 1990s (iirc some black Democrat congresswoman even played an important part in such proposals, which seems unimaginable now).
    In a sense of course it doesn't matter that much, given where we are now, but shitlibs often produce these totally disingenuous arguments, that it's all just a natural process, you can't stop globalization etc., and in its current form it already started in the post-war labour immigration of the 1950s and 1960s. Which contains a grain of truth, since already back then it brought some highly undesirable groups (like Pakistanis in Britain) into western countries, but much of that argument is deliberate deception. The disaster we've got now is the result of conscious policy choices that were taken within relatively recent memory.
    That's it regarding immigration, but similar arguments could probably be made for other issues too (like foreign policy, or energy policy in Germany's specific case at least).

    Replies: @A123, @silviosilver

    In a sense of course it doesn’t matter that much, given where we are now, but shitlibs often produce these totally disingenuous arguments, that it’s all just a natural process,

    To be clear, I’m obviously not suggesting these were in any way “natural processes.” I agree completely that those arguments are shitlib hogwash, at best rationalizations, but typically deliberate deceptions.

    The disaster we’ve got now is the result of conscious policy choices that were taken within relatively recent memory.

    Deliberate decisions made by people who were exceedingly unlikely to ever decide in any other way. Let’s not be rigidly deterministic about it. Let’s allow there was some small chance that people who voted to increase immigration may have voted to instead decrease it. What was the chance of that – 2%, 5%? If you replaced the specific individuals involved in those decisions with other individuals who held the same sort of values and the same sort of beliefs, you’d get largely get the same sort of deliberate decisions. A different set of deliberate decisions would have required a different set of people with very different values and beliefs. This is the aspect of the issue that I claim has very deep roots in the past (way earlier than the 1980s).

  1025. @John Johnson
    Another move from the master strategist:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf3pu2a_Crc

    A train defense? Really?

    Replies: @Another Polish Perspective

    Maybe a form of masking – Russia has nuclear weapons mounted on train wagons.
    Which is one among 2000…?

  1026. @AP
    @WS

    Interesting. Slovenia may have been particularly fortunate. But this suggests that it would otherwise have been similar to the adjacent rural Austrian region of Carinthia (which is much less densely populated than Slovenia), which is not poor.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    What’s interesting is that apparently Carinthia might have historically been Slovene-majority–indeed as late as the early 1800s:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carinthian_Slovenes#:~:text=Carinthian%20Slovenes%20or%20Carinthian%20Slovenians,state%20of%20Carinthia%2C%20neighboring%20Slovenia.

    The Slovene population there went into a sharp decline after 1818. Whether due to mass Germanization or due to mass migration southwards or due to some combination of these two factors, I cannot say.

    • Replies: @WS
    @Mr. XYZ

    Wiki link provided is informative enough; maybe I should add that ongoing relations between Slovenes and Austrians on general and in particular in Carinthia (be it of German or Slovene origin or mixed or expats) are mostly friendly. EU at its best!

  1027. @John Johnson
    @AP

    Poor people in the USA have free healthcare (much better than what regular people in Socialist countries had, with access to transplants, MRIs, etc.) and free education (scholarships) if they are smart and have excellent grades and test results (same situation for people in socialist countries).

    The people who had trouble are the lower middle class who didn’t have health insurance or had cheap and bad insurance.

    I would add that the middle class can get stuck with ridiculous bills.

    For the poor it is all sent to the government. They only have to provide a name. Meaning they don't even need to carry a card.

    Most of our idiot conservatives don't even understand who gets screwed. They think middle class Christians all live happily ever after in America. I really hate our Republicans for this reason. They listen to talking heads on Fox and think the poor deserve to be kicked and the middle class have healthcare.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Do you think that Democrats are the more pro-middle-class party in the US? A lot of middle-class suburbanites have moved in their direction over the last 25 years.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Do you think that Democrats are the more pro-middle-class party in the US? A lot of middle-class suburbanites have moved in their direction over the last 25 years.

    I wouldn't describe either party as pro middle-class.

    Even relative to each other neither deserves the title.

    The Democrats are more likely to talk about health care but they normally don't do anything about it. If you look at California Democrats they are far more likely to debate something like gun control even though it's almost all from a certain minority they won't name.

    They also look the other way on the border because most of them are actually racial realists and view Brazil 2 as the only way to fix the unspeakable. That's definitely not a pro middle-class position. I've had liberals admit that dilution is the only way and there is no stopping it. Conservatives underestimate how much liberals fret over not just inequality in society but inequality of history. Liberals in DC don't believe in Wakanda Lost. But they do believe that Brazil is the better option. Most of them have traveled to South America. They view a spicy latin second worldish US as better than the status quo. But honestly their plan isn't working as the immigrants have mostly stuck to themselves. When they are around Blacks they become racial realists. Most of them have a cousin that was mugged or worse. A Guatemalan that has been around Blacks has no intention of carrying out the White liberal plan for them to mix the cities. A lot of the racial mixing in South America was from the Portuguese and Spanish having sex with their slaves and the natives. You can't just force that type of racial mixing in a city like Baltimore by bringing in South Americans. They end up creating their own enclaves.

  1028. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    What's interesting is that apparently Carinthia might have historically been Slovene-majority--indeed as late as the early 1800s:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carinthian_Slovenes#:~:text=Carinthian%20Slovenes%20or%20Carinthian%20Slovenians,state%20of%20Carinthia%2C%20neighboring%20Slovenia.

    The Slovene population there went into a sharp decline after 1818. Whether due to mass Germanization or due to mass migration southwards or due to some combination of these two factors, I cannot say.

    Replies: @WS

    Wiki link provided is informative enough; maybe I should add that ongoing relations between Slovenes and Austrians on general and in particular in Carinthia (be it of German or Slovene origin or mixed or expats) are mostly friendly. EU at its best!

  1029. @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson

    Do you think that Democrats are the more pro-middle-class party in the US? A lot of middle-class suburbanites have moved in their direction over the last 25 years.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Do you think that Democrats are the more pro-middle-class party in the US? A lot of middle-class suburbanites have moved in their direction over the last 25 years.

    I wouldn’t describe either party as pro middle-class.

    Even relative to each other neither deserves the title.

    The Democrats are more likely to talk about health care but they normally don’t do anything about it. If you look at California Democrats they are far more likely to debate something like gun control even though it’s almost all from a certain minority they won’t name.

    They also look the other way on the border because most of them are actually racial realists and view Brazil 2 as the only way to fix the unspeakable. That’s definitely not a pro middle-class position. I’ve had liberals admit that dilution is the only way and there is no stopping it. Conservatives underestimate how much liberals fret over not just inequality in society but inequality of history. Liberals in DC don’t believe in Wakanda Lost. But they do believe that Brazil is the better option. Most of them have traveled to South America. They view a spicy latin second worldish US as better than the status quo. But honestly their plan isn’t working as the immigrants have mostly stuck to themselves. When they are around Blacks they become racial realists. Most of them have a cousin that was mugged or worse. A Guatemalan that has been around Blacks has no intention of carrying out the White liberal plan for them to mix the cities. A lot of the racial mixing in South America was from the Portuguese and Spanish having sex with their slaves and the natives. You can’t just force that type of racial mixing in a city like Baltimore by bringing in South Americans. They end up creating their own enclaves.

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