From Anatoly Karlin:

WW2 states could marshal bulk of their elite talent into the war effort and special projects. Ukrainian cognitive elite pool is limited (e.g. see Nature Index), while Russian cognitive elites are largely uninterested if not actively hostile to the Russian war effort.

This means that Ukraine has a small creative fraction (possibly in part due to it being located outside of the Hajnal Line, along with of course the general lack of willingness of a corrupt, poor, ex-Soviet government to invest heavily in scientific research), not that Ukraine has few cognitive elites in general. Ukraine’s cognitive elites are probably more likely to work in IT, government, and the like, if they have not already emigrated (and I would presume that some did emigrate, especially the ones who could get into the Anglosphere or had close Jewish ancestry and could thus move to Israel).

BTW, here are US actuarial life tables:

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

The odds of a 70-year-old man living to 80+ are about 2/3rds, but the odds of a 80-year-old man living to 90+ are only 1/3rd, and the odds of a 90-year-old man living to 100+ are less than 1 in 25. The odds of a 100-year-old man living to 110+ are about 1 in 500.

So, Yes, the jump from 80 to 90+ is moderately harder than the jump from 70 to 80+, and the jump from 90 to 100+ is astronomically harder than the jump from 80 to 90+. The jump from 100 to 110+ is the most difficult of all.

Military Sitrep, Dueling Weekend Missile & Drone Strikes, US Legbreakers’ NOT Peace Summit in Saudi, UK Training Kiev Commandos to Storm Crimean Beaches
https://marksleboda.substack.com/p/military-sitrep-dueling-weekend-missile?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2#details

There’s also the option of working in a business (including as office plankton, but certainly not limited to this) and/or in a think tank for Ukraine’s cognitive elites. Though I do suspect that some of them work for the Ukrainian military, especially among the more patriotically- and technically-inclined ones.

BTW, here’s a radical idea for Anatoly Karlin: An ISIS-inspired and/or al-Qaeda-inspired network state, thus necessitating foreign military intervention in order to destroy it. I mean, if everyone is going to make network states in the future (or at least everyone who lacks the opportunity to acquire power in nation-states), why not also the worst of the worst groups such as ISIS and/or al-Qaeda? Or for that matter, various Christian fundamentalists, such as those groups who are similar to the group who previously owned this ranch?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YFZ_Ranch

There could, of course, also be minor-attracted-person network states, which will be good so long as they will stick to child sex dolls/robots/AI but extremely bad and dangerous if they will ever harm any actual children, thus necessitating foreign military intervention in order to destroy them as in the ISIS network state example above.

C’mon man, the big question is when the main Russian offensive takes place. If they want to get to Zaporizhzhia, retake Kherson City, go on to Odessa and surround Kharkov City, they must surely do so in the next week or so, before the mud of October becomes a factor.
Or does the Russian Government intend the War to continue into next year ?
Any ideas ?

It is not clear that Russia needs a Fall 2023 offensive to win.

Funding for Kiev aggression is dwindling. Closing Odessa is a highly effective technique, undermining Ukraine’s war economy. The U.S. Presidential election will reallocate money away from an overseas folly that does not help voters.

I have asked multiple times, “Will Germany & France will pay the Billion of €uros per month to cover U.S. reductions?” Given the silence, I have to assume the European posters here grasp that the answer is “No.” And, they do not want to say that out loud.
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Putin will avoid strategies that risk generating sympathy, and thus material support, for Kiev. Russia will counter certain types of misbehaviour, such as drone attacks. However, anything that would create mass civilian casualties is highly unlikely. Destroying large portions of Odessa to capture the city has an unfavourable risk/reward payout.

Waiting for the Ukie fad to expire is the best path to victory. Time is on Putin’s side.

PEACE 😇

Elon Musk today is sharing with exclamation mark Hanania’s tweet/x about about putinism bein ideology of resentful losers. It’s a good development, but would be better if he stopped throttling Starlink connectivity for UA army instead;)

But overall it’s a good sign, maybe at least some right wingers would start connecting the dots about RF outright financing and directing slavery reparationist actionism in US to RF being adored by white genociders in Africa.

Some believe that a 1224 reference in the Annals of Connacht refers to some event where radioactive fallout made people sick:

Funding for Kiev aggression is dwindling… Given the silence…blah, blah, blah…

The only silence that you hear is that of those reading this blog that have become used to the kremlinstooge BS that you’re known for spewing. You call this “dwindling”:

June 9 – DOD Announces $2.1 Billion Assistance Package for Ukraine

July 7 – DOD Announces $800M Security Assistance Package for Ukraine

It’s getting apparent that your glue sniffing habit is getting the best of your short term memory, Dude. Get some help and get off of the stuff ASAP!

Have heard it said that herding dogs – in the sense of dogs that move livestock and keep them together and follow commands – are nearly a modern invention, dating only about to the 19th century.

Wish someone here was familiar with the ancient sources on dogs to verify or rebutt.

For my part, what I heard is that the old herding dogs were mainly for protection. Both against predators and people, but that they also protected pasture and animals from the livestock of strangers. (Which I guess would mean that they recognized a high count of individual animals)

But it is interesting to consider the implications, if the claim of modern genesis is true. Perhaps, it means that dogs haven’t really been under hard selection for intelligence until recently. Maybe, what we are seeing or about to see is some kind of dog singularity, where neo-dogs come into being.

The “big sellout”, however, with a very generous golden parachute:

June 9 – DOD Announces $2.1 Billion Assistance Package for Ukraine

July 7 – DOD Announces $800M Security Assistance Package for Ukraine

I’ve listened to the first 10 minutes of the first clip. Are you kidding, what a bunch of kremlinstooge BS. They think that it’s ridiculous to think that Russia could subdue Kyiv with only 40,000 troops (they didn’t mention that this included a hefty portion of Russia’s elite crack troops), well it was. A prime example o Russia’s ineptitude to run a war.

Iraqi Information Minister reviews

Occult Russia
Christopher McIntosh
Inner Traditions 2022 262pp

This is a quick summary version of a subject that could easily fill fifty times as many pages. If you are an expert you are not going to find much new material. Christopher McIntosh is retired from a career which had him using his Russian language skills and it shows in the extensive sources but I can’t personally authenticate any of that.

To me the best parts of the book are the ancient myth geography information. Russia is big enough that they have two Atlantis equivalents—one in the Arctic Sea and one in the Urals, as well as proximity to a third one in the Himalayas. The first one is as good as any Atlantis story I have ever seen.

Alexander Barchenko (1881-1938) is the hero of this part. He led a small project (small number of participants and small number of field trips) in Russian Lapland on the Kola Peninsula during the 1920’s and interviewed a number of the Samis on their cosmology and geography and history. They claim (it is unclear whether Barchenko considered this factual) that their holy shrine is an island completely covered with reindeer bones. The source for this is a book in Russian by Alexander Andreyev Occultist of the Soviet Country: the Secret of Doctor Barchenko. This is a long spectacular story and from the bits told by McIntosh a translation of Andreyev’s book would be welcome.

There is a small art movement centered on this, most prominent example being Alexander Uglanov. McIntosh includes a full color version of this one:

There isn’t much hands on tourism around this part that I could see. If you want to put your hands on something, there is a site in the southern Urals, Arkaim which is labeled Russian Stonehenge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkaim

The third mythical, if not prehistoric geographical feature is not in Russia proper, but further southeast—Shambala (among other names.) This was the objective of a couple of expeditions of Nikolai Roerich. There are multiple books on this topic so anything which McIntosh reports is cut way down to the minimum.

The next great bit in the book is the Cosmists. This is the unusual occult topic with real world consequences. The first Soviet rocket scientist, Konstantin Tsiolkovsky (1857-1935) got his wild ideas after studying with Cosmist gurus.

There also is coverage of Blavatsky and Gurdjieff and Ouspensky which is necessarily brief in a book of this length.

Last and not least he covers some of Nikolai Kozyrev’s (1908-1983) output. Kozyrev was an astrophysicist, big on the paranormal, and innovative in paranormal science topics. He collected data on astrology effects on earthly experiments, did some dense theory stuff on re-conceptualizing time, and invented a telepathy capsule, now called the Kozyrev mirror.

Picture included in the book in full color.

There are many other subjects McIntosh covers which I omit from my summary of his summary.

Appendix one. There is another recent McIntosh book with relevant material: Beyond the North Wind; Weiser Books; 2019 234 pages.

Mostly not Russian prehistory but a couple of chapters. Especially the artwork. Domesticated mammoths pulling sleighs.

Mammoth mounted calvary troops.

Bear mounted calvary.

This stuff is better than the Greeks.

Appendix two. There is another possibly relevant publication. The Occult Roots of Bolshevism; Stephen E. Flowers; Lodestar Press; 2022 128 pages. Flowers is a brilliant man and some of his books are essential but this one is not.

…Russia’s ineptitude to run a war.

Interesting. Then what would you call what Kiev has been doing? Ineptitude with an occasional heroism? Ukies lost 20% territory, spent $100 billion in gifted (or loaned?) Western supplies, lost 50-100k men and a large portion of infrastructure.

Wars are messy, it is a mistake to judge them in mid-stream. But the key question about any action is: are you better off than before? Ukraine is much worse off, Russia-EU are maybe 3-5% worse off. US is holding even, but if Kiev loses the loss of face for Washington will be catastrophic – they made too much of a big deal about it.

The rest of the world is better off: their sovereignty has increased, they benefited economically. It has alway been great for them when whites start killing each other.

Have heard Ed Dutton say that Father Ted was funnier than other contemporary sitcoms on UK TV because it had Irish creators and Ireland was relatively less woke at that time.

To me, though, the show seems very woke and subversive for the setting, time, and religious context.

But I will say that the final episode titled “Going to America” strikes me as shockingly unwoke (though only in a very subtle way.)

But perhaps it was not intended to be the final episode, as the star of the show died the day after filming.

Ukraine is much worse off, Russia-EU are maybe 3-5% worse off.

That is about right.

Russia closing ranks with the CCP is a longer term problem created by the occupied White House. Trump’s 2nd term will begin reversing that trend. Alas, fixing a problem takes longer than creating it. The relationship rebuild will have to continue under his MAGA successor.

US is holding even, but if Kiev loses the loss of face for Washington will be catastrophic – they made too much of a big deal about it.

Not-The-President Biden and the DNC will suffer a catastrophic loss of face.

America has nothing at stake and will walk away ‘head held high’. Trump has made it clear he will extract Washington from the current administration’s folly early during his 2nd term.

It has always been great for them when whites start killing each other.

Rephrase that as — It has always been great for them when Judeo-Christians start killing each other. There is a certain religion that benefits the most.
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Did you hear about post-Judaic apostate Zelensky’s slam against Ukranian Christians. (1)

The canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC) has announced that it will not follow President Volodymyr Zelensky’s order to celebrate Christmas Day on Dec. 25, in line with Western Christian tradition.

On Friday, Zelensky signed a decree aligning the celebration of one of the most important Christian holidays with the Gregorian calendar. Ukraine has historically celebrated the birth of Christ on Jan. 7, according to the Julian calendar.

A spokesman for Metropolitan Kliment of the UOC, which has historic ties with the Russian Orthodox Church, told the Strana.ua website on Saturday: “It is absolutely certain that the vast majority of Ukrainians of different religious denominations will celebrate next Christmas in the same way as they have done so far.

“Of course, one would have hoped that these people and their traditions would be respected. But we got what we got,” they added.

Why does the Kiev regime loathe and disrespect Judeo-Christians?

PEACE 😇
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(1) https://rmx.news/ukraine/ukrainian-orthodox-church-rejects-zelenskys-christmas-date-change/

Can one create a new cryptocurrency to run one’s network state if one isn’t interested in playing by the rules?

That said, the idea of scripture that it’s really “God’s word” you’re holding in your hands, and that you can read it yourself and feeling it’s addressing you personally, is quite appealing, and protestants probably do better recruiting people who’ve never been Christian than Catholics do in large part because of this. So scripture definitely has a role as “spiritual training wheels.”

Why do you support spreading christianity though?
Is the state of the white race not proof enough of its retardation.

May you be blessed with a billion Africans on your shores.

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They think that it’s ridiculous to think that Russia could subdue Kyiv with only 40,000 troops (they didn’t mention that this included a hefty portion of Russia’s elite crack troops), well it was. A prime example o Russia’s ineptitude to run a war.

They’re right and you’re wrong. The matter of taking a city is to maintain it thereafter as well. Russia isn’t that inept to realize this aspect. Ineptitude is relative. Plenty of ineptitude on the side of the Kiev regime and its main backers.

I support it because I like it.

Unlike you, whom I don’t like and do not support, and would very much prefer it if you were to just fuck off and die. Preferably a rather horrible, prolonged, painful death – the kind befitting the miserable, resentment-ridden pajeet dog that you are – but I’m not too fussed, so any kind of simple death that will terminate the pathetic existence you call a “life” will do.

Please consider it.

BTW, off-topic, but why exactly are you so confident that Putin will become a centenarian (at least without anti-aging technology) simply because some of his ancestors lived to their mid- or late 80s? The odds of an 80-year-old man living to age 90+ are around 1/3, but the odds of a 90-year-old man living to age 100+ are less than 4%. The jump from 90 to 100+ and thus astronomically more difficult than the jump from 80 to 90+.

John Paul Stevens’s parents lived long lives, but neither he nor any of his siblings actually became centenarians, though both he and his mother came very close to doing so (none of his siblings came anywhere near as close to doing so, though):

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/201205565/john-paul-stevens

Like Putin, he also presumably had elite healthcare. I would suspect that his family probably did as well due to their (relative) wealth.

Why does the Kiev regime loathe and disrespect Judeo-Christians?

He was trying to change a Russian holiday to the Western date.

Russia has the Europe’s largest atheist population, Europe’s largest Muslim population, and the highest abortion rate in the world.

Your vile dwarf dictator pretends to value Christianity and he started this bloody war by launching missiles at a city which killed a pregnant Christian woman. She was the first death and not the “Nazis” that Putin’s defenders still can’t seem to explain.

Here is a video you will never see on Dwarf Defender blog:

The Dwarf Defender blog networks tries to depict Russia as a Christian nation in a struggle against secular Jewry. This can only be done through censorship.

If you try to post that video at the Putin hive at Moon of Alabama you will get banned. It is however acceptable there to call Ukraine both a Nazi and Jewish state.

“The jump from 90 to 100+ *is* thus astronomically more difficult than the jump from 80 to 90+.”

(Corrected typo.)

BTW, would the very broad constitution for network states also exclude Neo-Nazism and the like?

…Russia’s ineptitude to run a war.

Interesting. Then what would you call what Kiev has been doing? Ineptitude with an occasional heroism? Ukies lost 20% territory, spent $100 billion in gifted (or loaned?) Western supplies, lost 50-100k men and a large portion of infrastructure.

You do realize that Russia started with a 10:1 advantage in practically everything? And Ukraine never had much of an airforce?

This would like a underdog fighter still holding out in the 8th round against a 10:1 favorite and you are pointing out how his jabs are lacking. In any case the world views Russia as a nation of losers. Just look at the comments for any youtube video related to the war. Putin has humiliated the Russian military by putting them in modern combat. He should have kept them in parades.

Russia has already lost according to Putin’s originally stated goals. He said it was about the expansion of NATO. Well Finland has joined and they share more border with Russia than Ukraine. Both Russian State TV and the Dwarf Defense network don’t like discussing Finland and Sweden. Two previously neutral countries that the dwarf has pushed into NATO. Well done dwarf.

Ukraine is much worse off, Russia-EU are maybe 3-5% worse off.

Everyone was worse off from Soviet expansion and that included America and Western Europe. Stalin should have stayed in his borders and Putin in his. Russians have a long history of trashing nearby countries instead of focusing on their own economic development.

The Ukrainians don’t want to return to rule by Moscow. Why is this so hard to understand? If a dwarf dictator and his orc army invaded my country I would also take a shot at them. Your war dunce dwarf actually thought the Ukrainians would stand down even though they have been preparing for war with Russia for 8 years. It’s almost as if they have a history of not wanting to be ruled by a bunch of bitter Russians in Moscow. Imagine that.

But keep making excuses for a bitter little man while the Ukrainians continue to vote by casket. Some Russian mother will cry her eyes out today for a war that Putin’s own defenders can’t agree as to why it exists. Your son had to die because of … .NATO….. er Nazis…..it’s a war against America…no wait it’s about Donbas…..er back to NATO….war for civilization….it’s a proxy war….Zelensky is causing it…back to NATO again….er Donbas.

Wow! I come back from holiday, and have to read this moronic idiocy.

sharing with exclamation mark Hanania’s tweet/x about about putinism bein ideology of resentful losers.

But overall it’s a good sign, maybe at least some right wingers would start connecting the dots about RF outright financing and directing slavery reparationist actionism in US to RF being adored by white genociders in Africa.

The average BLACK south African is MUCH richer than the average ukronazi slave you irrelevant POS idiot. LMAO

Think about that you retard, for once in your failure of a life. For anybody who has been to South Africa like me, its very easy to take a drive on the federal roads and see masses of shacks – some of them immediately next to the weakthy houses. Its incomprehensible that even the failure, f**khead Banderetard could contrive to be poorer than the African South African, LOL.

1.Apartheid-era black south africans inherited a country with electric, water, rail, health, housing etc infrastructure built for others,…..so built for a fraction of the capacity as their own population, which has since much increased anyway

Fkheadistan/404 inherited in 1991 a fake country with OVERABUNDANCE of infrastructure & energy supply for their population, even more increased by the masses deserting it, as it is a failed shithole. Black africans didn’t have a big proportion of them inheriting apartments in mass housing doms with water, electric guaranteed.

2.Thanks to great Soviet legacy, ukronazis had some of the highest mass education levels on the planet. “Thanks” to Apartheid the inverse was true for the Africans ( from what I have heard the black Africans in Zimbabwe were very decently educated)

3.Export potential from Gold, diamonds, platinum and agriculture is nowhere near enough to bring massive prosperity to the big African population as the export potential of Ukraine’s failed industries had in 1991 to its own.

4.The “white genocide”, of South Africa involves a white population that has INCREASED, or at worst remain stable since end of apartheid you retarded idiot. No doubt masses of whites have understandably left the country, many have been shot dead, robbed etc – but this is not “white genocide” you stupid prick. None of the whites have had their land confiscated and given to blacks you idiot

The nuthouse that is Banderastan has a ukronazi population that has massively DECREASED longtime before SMO you idiot. That appears more like white genocide you shameless idiot. LOL. (We can, again, get into the idiocy of some Lithuanian dogshit talking about “white genocide” with their embarassing population demographics for another time)

So South Africa had more to lose from a population braindrain, but against all logic, and with whites and others still much richer than the black Africans there………..the Black Africans are FAR more wealthier than ukrops!

Also , who the f**k is this random shithead Hanania. Another homo activist?

Its clear you and this random prick can’t define “Putinism” anyway ( clearly an extremely successful thing, whatever it is, as judged by the mass success of the last 23 years).

Only losers with severe mental problems could support a country that is literally “White Africa” or “Africa in Europe” in the worst sense of the term.

Before the war most of the West didn’t give much thought to Russians as a people. The common view was that they were European but a bit poorer and acclimated to a colder climate.

Thanks to the dwarf’s war and youtube the entire world is beginning to think there is something seriously wrong with Russians.

More people are viewing them as crude proto-Europeans.

I’m also seeing a return to theories of them being dysgenically hampered by Tsar and Mongol rule. Basically the better Russians that rejected autocracy moved to Germany and America.

Why America stopped building public pools | CNN Business
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/22/business/public-pools-extreme-heat/index.html?utm_source=pocket-newtab

The article notes that numerous existing pools have shut down.

As America gets fatter with increased health costs and a lessened life span. Give that money to benefit the military industrial complex and corrupt politicos abroad, so others can get better slaughtered instead of encouraging peace.

Everyone was worse off from Soviet expansion and that included America and Western Europe. Stalin should have stayed in his borders and Putin in his. Russians have a long history of trashing nearby countries instead of focusing on their own economic development.

No Galicia in Ukraine, and either the USSR never collapses, or Ukraine likely eventually returns to the Russian orbit post-Soviet collapse.

By the way, in regards to the Russian National State that Anatoly Karlin wrote about here:

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russias-nationalist-turn/

If Russia more-or-less gets defeated in this war, might Russians conclude that their Russian National State wasn’t such a bad thing so long as it didn’t seek to expand into territories where it wasn’t supposed to belong in? It was the attempted Russian expansion into the non-Russian parts of Ukraine specifically that made Russian nationalism look considerably less attractive and considerably more evil, after all.

Thanks to great Soviet legacy, ukronazis had some of the highest mass education levels on the planet.

Oh give me a break.

Are you also going to tell us that the same Soviet legacy is what led East German industry? Which also existed before Soviet occupation?

These countries never needed the Soviet union for an education. Not a single Soviet bloc country ever wanted to join. Their education levels would have naturally exceeded anything Russia had they not been forced into the failed Marxist experiment.

It was the Soviet union that promoted Lysenko genetics for over a decade by threat of the Gulag.

MAKE LYSENKO GENETICS WORK COMRADE

GIVE US CORRECT RESULTS OR OFF TO SIBERIA YOU GO

Very similar to our modern left-wing “embracement of the science” that tries to side-step human genetics. Equally amusing was the Soviet “economic studies” where they study everything but economics. Even in the 1920s they knew that Marx’s economic theories were just plain bullshit. Lenin is on record stating that they botched the Russian economy after the revolution.

Only losers with severe mental problems could support a country that is literally “White Africa” or “Africa in Europe” in the worst sense of the term.

During COVID it was South Africa that was the only reliable country that could provide data for Sub-Saharan Africa. The White Africa is relied upon by the modern world for all kinds of unspoken support of nearby countries.

Here’s a question about elite human capital for Anatoly Karlin: Why exactly was Russian EHC, in spite of it being more pro-LGBTQ+ than Russian proles, unable to prevent Russia’s anti-LGBTQ+ slide from 2010 onwards? Didn’t he say that EHC shapes public opinion, after all? For that matter, why has the US’s EHC been unable to convince US proles to remove the natural-born citizen requirement for the US Presidency?

For that matter, even though French EHC is likely more pro-immigration than French proles are, is 2020s French EHC more pro-immigration than 2000s French EHC was? Did Marine Le Pen’s father Jean-Marie Le Pen win 16% of the vote among the 10% most educated communes in France in 2002 like his daughter did in 2017 (and probably did even better than that in 2022)?

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Swimming is racist.

How the mighty have fallen.

Russia should admit Sub-Saharan Africans by the hundreds of millions if they will agree to convert to Russian Orthodoxy and learn the Russian language if Russia REALLY wants to take a global stand against worldwide Western white supremacy lol. These blacks can subsequently become a new branch of the Russian people: Chernorossy.

Corgis were for sure cattle drovers’ dogs back into at least Tudor times, although their working peak would have been the 18th C. As for Collies for sheep, you may be right. Mongol herd dogs (almost wiped by Russia) look quite like collies but are guard dogs.

Old English sheepdogs, a particularly dumb breed, were for flock protection.

If Russia more-or-less gets defeated in this war, might Russians conclude that their Russian National State wasn’t such a bad thing so long as it didn’t seek to expand into territories where it wasn’t supposed to belong in?

I honestly don’t think we can expect the Russian people to rationally conclude anything. I’m really not trying to be cynical.

They have a history of falling back to dunderheaded patriotism where they unquestionably rally around whomever is in charge. There are currently Russians calling for support of Putin and the war entirely because of patriotism. Meaning even if it was a huge mistake we still have to rally around our dictator as he sends our sons and husbands to their deaths.

A look at their history from 1917 tells us that the Russians are really an emotional people that will accept mass murder over rational assessment of their best interest.

The Russian people are aware that:
1. Communism is heavily Jewish is origin and the revolution was not merely a revolt of the proletariat
2. Communism will never outproduce even the poorest Western European country.

They are aware of these two facts and yet in rural areas there is still a desire among boomers for not only the USSR but rule over nearby nations. Which means they basically want to bring back a failed system and force it on others out of negative emotions like spite and resentment.

I honestly think the world no longer cares about what Russians think or desire. Instead of transitioning from Communism into modern states like the Baltics they rallied around a KGB dwarf who poisoned the opposition. The world is going is back to the British view of Russians which is a large nation populated by brutes that resent their Western neighbors. Marx actually had disdain for Russians and viewed them as vulnerable to Marxism due to their large and uneducated proletariat population. He wrote about them as being naturally subservient to the state. The plan was to flip Russia and then push it against Germany. The Communists viewed Germans as difficult to crack and Russians as a nation of proles that were already prepped for autocracy by the Tsar.

I honestly think the world no longer cares about what Russians think or desire.

Increasingly true of the collective West. Outside that axis, the Kiev regime is seen for the stooge that it is.

Breh, I’m 6′ 3 & lift. Why resent a small serb? ?
You go to jail for pocket knife –
Singh carries Sabre & Spear.

– this was interesting – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zutt_Rebellion

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Ukraine has officially shifted to improved Gregorian calendar instead of remain bound to the Julian calendar, created by a pagan Roman Emperor. This move prior was also approved by Orthodox Church of Ukraine during the Council of Bishops and is linked also to other official non-religious celebration dates shifting, not only Christmas:

On May 24, the Orthodox Church of Ukraine, during the Council of Bishops, approved the complete transition from the old Julian calendar to the new calendar. This change corresponds with the practice followed by most Orthodox churches worldwide.

“The aim of this draft law is to discard the Russian legacy of celebrating Christmas on January 7 and instead adopt December 25 as the date for Christmas celebrations,” the explanatory note states.

If the altered Christmas date is accepted, the Day of Ukrainian Statehood would also need to be rescheduled. The proposed revision sets July 15 as the new date for the celebration of the Day of Ukrainian Statehood, replacing the previous date of the 28th.

Lastly, the suggested amendment proposes moving the Day of Defenders from October 14 to October 1.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/18846

What is being cited as voice of discontent is just Muscovite Orthodox clergy (officially supporting attacking and killing of Ukrainians by Zoperating) affiliated church – Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate (UOC-MP), which experienced notable exodus since 2014:

According to open data, from Dec. 15, 2018 to April 18, 2023, some 1,327 religious communities and monasteries announced the transition from the UOC-MP to the Orthodox Church of Ukraine. Since the full-scale Russian invasion, the number of parishes that left the UOC-MP was the largest in May of last year – 229, while at least 72 parishes have left the UOC-MP in April of this year.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/16071

19th century Russians were mostly peasants, not proles. Proles are urban workers, no?

I think that older Russians’ love of Communism might have more to do with Russia’s seriously fucked-up state in the 1990s, immediately after Communism. Russia went from Communism immediately to oligarchic globalism and then to Fascism under Putin, a Fascism that acquired a much more Russian nationalist flavor over time, which eventually led to the current war.

Interestingly enough, had the USSR continued the NEP, avoided Stalin or someone like him, and avoided WWII, then it could have been a much bigger success story, possibly an East Slavic version of present-day China. But such a USSR would have been less authentically Communist though likely still pretty totalitarian and authoritarian.

BTW, in regards to Germans, they were actually smart in making an alliance between the moderate socialists (SPD) and the right-wing (Freikorps) against the Communists/Spartacists. Moderate Russian socialists were unwilling to ally with the Russian right-wing to crush the Bolsheviks, thus ensuring a Bolshevik victory in the subsequent power struggle.

Pro-RF source is whining about the realities of so called “UA sea blockade” in action after grain deal termination:

…on the night of July 30, three vessels identified as: AMS 1 (Israel), SAHIN-2 (Greece) and YILMAZ KAPTAN (Turkey/Georgia) passed the Turkish Bosporus Strait and entered the Black Sea with their destination via AIS – Ukraine.

And already today, the Israeli vessel AMS-1 entered the Ukrainian mouth of the Danube River and is moving to the port of Izmail. Of course, one can still hope that the attack on the Jewish ship will be inflicted after mooring in the port, and if this is done by Iranian UAVs, then it would be doubly good.

In the meantime, the safety of the passage of ships is provided by American forces concentrated in the Black Sea region – a Boeing P-8 Poseidon anti-submarine patrol aircraft was lifted into the air, which was refueled in the sky over Romania, as well as an RQ-4B Global Hawk strike and reconnaissance UAV (board – FORTE12).

https://t.me/grey_zone/19792

Good for Ukraine! Distancing itself even further from Russia sounds like an excellent move!

19th century Russians were mostly peasants, not proles. Proles are urban workers, no?

Yes and no.

Under Marxism non-land owning peasants are defined as part of the proletariat as they can only sell their labor. They are the depicted as part of the exploited majority and not landowners nor Bourgeoisie.

But Marx also wrote about the plight of proletariat as being workers that had no choice but to enter the cities as laborers.

I think that older Russians’ love of Communism might have more to do with Russia’s seriously fucked-up state in the 1990s, immediately after Communism.

That and it is possible Russian pensioners could have been better off economically under a continuation of Communism than Putin’s Mobster Capitalism. Pensioners, idle workers and certain types of government workers opposed the collapse of the system. But I honestly think a lot of Russians are like Putin and miss the Evil Empire that made the West nervous. They don’t believe in themselves and would rather be intimidating than productive. They prefer being the bad guy in Rock III than backwoods losers that sh-t in outhouses and have a GDP smaller than Canada.

Russians remind me of American Blacks in certain ways. They can cheer on certain narratives but have been around too many Blacks to be as optimistic as White liberals in the burbs. They basically know their neighbors too well to have certain dreams. Harsh but true.

BTW, in regards to Germans, they were actually smart in making an alliance between the moderate socialists (SPD) and the right-wing (Freikorps) against the Communists/Spartacists.

Yes but they also deserve credit for putting down the revolution before it started. The German police and militias swiftly moved on the Communist attempt at taking Hamburg. Germans right away were willing to line up and sacrifice themselves to shoot at Communist leaders. Lenin gave speeches to roaring crowds in the open.

A question for Anatoly Karlin: If EHC disapproves of nationalism, why exactly would it approve of nationalistic network-states? Nationalism implies exclusion and often superiority, after all. What’s to prevent EHC from refusing to process the cryptocurrency blocks of any network-states that don’t subscribe to their own desired ideological vision (liberal multicultural tolerant globalism)?

Or are you thinking that EHC would support nationalistic network-states as a way of getting rid of nationalistic trouble-makers so that they won’t be stewing up discord back at home? But nationalistic trouble-makers are often marginal people in society anyway, are they not?

Also, what are your thoughts on the argument that open borders allows governments to get rid of their troublemakers? Europe experienced much less revolutions in the immediate pre-WWI decades than it did in the late 1910s, and I suspect that a part of the reason for this is that due to WWI, emigration stopped being as easy as it used to be, thus massively increasing the incentive to make trouble at home if one was dissatisfied with the existing status quo as opposed to emigrating like one would have previously done.

That and it is possible Russian pensioners could have been better off economically under a continuation of Communism than Putin’s Mobster Capitalism. Pensioners, idle workers and certain types of government workers opposed the collapse of the system. But I honestly think a lot of Russians are like Putin and miss the Evil Empire that made the West nervous. They don’t believe in themselves and would rather be intimidating than productive. They prefer being the bad guy in Rock III than backwoods losers that sh-t in outhouses and have a GDP smaller than Canada.

Yeah, AFAIK, the 1990s in Russia were equivalent to the 1930s Great Depression in the US.

And Russia’s total GDP is comparable to Germany’s if one uses PPP rather than nominal terms. But Russia also appears to have experienced a decade of economic stagnation since 2014:

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/Russia/gdp_per_capita_ppp/

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/graph_country.php?p=0&c=Russia&i=gdp_per_capita_ppp

Why is the #NeverTrump fringe so Evil? How can Low-IQ yahoos ignore this? (1)

Ashley Biden Recording CONFIRMS That the Infamous Diary Is Hers, and Sick Joe May Have to Head to the Showers

Joe and Jill Biden’s daughter Ashley confirmed on an audio recording that the diary she abandoned at a Palm Beach residence is hers, according to a shocking new report by Project Veritas. The investigative news outlet founded by James O’Keefe not only confirmed again that the diary and other belongings left behind at the home were Ashley’s but also included the original call to Veritas’s tip line to prove they hadn’t stolen it.

An audio recording of the woman who called Project Veritas’s tip line on Sept. 3, 2020, said her family knew the people who rented out the house and that Ashley Biden stayed in one of the bedrooms and left behind a diary. On the voicemail, the unidentified woman said, “The diary is pretty crazy. I think it’s worth taking a look at. It’s not a joke, it’s real. I’d love to get it in your hands.”

It sure was “crazy.”

 

Lying about Trump’s 1st term is clearly a failed strategy. All it does is help the depravity of Not-The-President Biden.

#LetsGoBrandon 😇
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(1) https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2023/08/01/ashley-biden-recording-confirms-that-the-infamous-diary-is-hers-and-sick-joe-may-have-to-head-to-the-showers-n1715067

AMS 1 (Israel), SAHIN-2 (Greece) and YILMAZ KAPTAN (Turkey/Georgia)

It is critical to note that there are actually six ships, though only three have been identified. And, even more important — Who is pulling the strings: (1)

All six ships have Turkish management

At least six ships have flouted Russia’s naval de-facto blockade of Ukrainian ports in the Black Sea, OSINT investigator Marcus Johnsson reported, citing naval tracking data. One coming from Israel has already entered the Ukrainian branch of the Danube.

In the night of 30 July, three civilian ships — Ams1, Sahin 2, and Yilmaz Kaptan, coming from Israel, Greece, and Türkiye/Georgia — sailed direct routes over the Black Sea, openly advertising destination Ukraine over AIS.

Is Erdogan bankrolling and controlling this anti-Semitic, Turkish led multinational flotilla? There is no reason to believe that Netanyahu’s administration is involved. And, being a member of a Turkish flotilla is not strongly associated with survival.

Both Russian and Ukrainian naval forces have stepped up mine laying. Given how little unmanned ordinance is afloat at this point, the Turkish led flotilla may make it. However risk, and therefore insurance cost, will inexorably ratchet up over weeks.

PEACE 😇
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(1) https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/07/31/at-least-six-ships-break-russias-black-sea-blockade/

Be fair. 800 million is a lot less than 2.1 billion. Just over a third, roughly.

“Dwindling” seems accurate here.

What’s terrible is your encouraging the deaths of so many young Ukrainian men.

But here’s some encouragement – the NYT no longer thinks the Russian economy is going to collapse – no, it’s going to overheat, the boom is too much!

https://archive.is/VTAzt

The concern is that the government is pumping money into the economy too quickly. As Russia’s invasion has descended into a war of attrition, Mr. Putin has poured the country’s sizable financial reserves into expanding military production, while also showering poorer Russians with higher pensions, salaries and benefits like subsidized mortgages….

The result has been a spike in demand for everything from beach holidays to tank chassis — all of which is fueling inflation. In an effort to prevent the economy from overheating, the central bank in July raised rates more than expected.

The bank expects the Russian economy to grow up to 2.5 percent this year, a faster than normal pace that would allow it to recover practically all economic activity that has wiped out since the start of the war. Unemployment is near a record low and real wages have been growing steadily this year, as state factories and private companies compete for scarce labor.

Russian industrial executives have been boasting to Mr. Putin in public that their plants are raising output to levels last seen in the Soviet era and working around the clock in three shifts to meet the military demand. In St. Petersburg, local textile workshops say they are struggling to find qualified workers and materials to meet a deluge of orders for military uniforms, while in the industrial region of Sverdlovsk, a local tank factory recently has had to contract hundreds of inmates from local prisons to try to meet its targets.

Or you could try the Spectator:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-the-economic-war-against-russia-has-failed/

The West embarked on its sanctions war with an exaggerated sense of its own influence around the world. As we have discovered, non-western countries lack the will to impose sanctions on either Russia or on Russian oligarchs. The results of the miscalculation are there for all to see. In April last year, the IMF forecast that the Russian economy would contract by 8.5 per cent in 2022 and by a further 2.3 per cent this year. As it turned out, GDP fell by just 2.1 per cent last year, and this year the IMF is forecasting a small rise of 0.7 per cent. And that is all in spite of the war in Ukraine going much more badly than many imagined it would in February of last year. The Russian economy has not been destroyed; it has merely been reconfigured, reorientated to look eastwards and southwards rather than westwards.

Why is that such insurmountable task for the bravest truth seekers to take several pics of those diary pages and leak for all to see the real handwriten text instead of making memes with unrelated pics and gossip without any real backup?

Meanwhile not stopping worshiping real life boy belly kisser?;)

With Russia getting less and less per barrel for oil and gas, this huge spending boom will not last forever. And then what?

Why does the Kiev regime loathe and disrespect Judeo-Christians?

You’re a real, rootin tootin, 100% Judeo-Christian, right? Why do you then celebrate Christmas on December 25, and not on January 7? You’re a hypocrite kremlinstoogeA123.

What does any of that have to do with Trump?

This might blow your mind but some of us don’t think Biden or Trump should run in the next election.

It’s actually the default position of independents according to polls.

Good for Ukraine! Distancing itself even further from Russia sounds like an excellent move!

Quite idiotic, given that the move in question concerns when Orthodox Christian observances are held in accordance with a calendar which doesn’t originate in Russia.

Why is that such insurmountable task for the bravest truth seekers to take several pics of those diary pages and leak for all to see the real handwriten text

All of the instances where he snorts a 10 year old like a line of cocaine are disturbing. However, the fact Not-The-President Biden is macking on his own daughter makes it even more disgusting & repulsive.

The scariest part is that NeoCon, Low-IQ yahoos are willing to look the other way because they are #NeverTrump extremists. Their irrational rage at Trump’s 1st term successes makes them willing to back the sexually deviant Veggie-in-Chief.

There are only two choices. It is painfully obvious that being a #Bidenista is bad for American worker/citizens. Yet… Stupid is, as Stupid does!

#LetsGoBrandon 😇

Why are you so certain that Biden will be the candidate?

Half of Democrat voters want a new candidate in 2024
https://nypost.com/2023/08/01/half-of-dem-voters-want-new-2024-pick-biden-even-with-trump-poll/

Biden could be primaried and Trump could have a felony or plea bargain with a promise to stay out of politics.

The scariest part is that NeoCon, Low-IQ yahoos are willing to look the other way because they are #NeverTrump extremists. Their irrational rage at Trump’s 1st term successes makes them willing to back the sexually deviant Veggie-in-Chief.

Is that how you see it? The idiots are against Trump running?

I was called an MSM idiot in the last election for pointing out that he was losing support with independents.

Trump Tribe was certain that MAGA hats and screaming with giant foam fingers would be enough. No need to look at the polls, those are all MSM lies anyways.

How well did that work out?

Trump lost swing voters in 2020
https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/how-donald-trump-turned-off-swing-voters-in-2020/

Maybe try bigger hats this time?

Georgians welcome Russians from cruise ship:

This must be the start of the multi-polar world that Putin’s basement bloggers have been telling us about.

Reasoning with a Canadian Ukie like Mr Hack is a complete waste of time. And, yes, I knew several like him when I lived out in Manitoba. The massive weight of historical grievance, real and imagined, that these people feel, makes them completely unable to grasp the reality of the situation.

If they want to get to Zaporizhzhia, retake Kherson City, go on to Odessa and surround Kharkov

Nothing along those lines is going to make Washington cut off Kiev, and so Ukraine will not stop fighting. There can be no meaningful agreement unless Russia can live with admitting Ukraine has defeated it; something that will be a profound blow to the state’s objective status and the self image of Russians.

I think Russia will hardly accept such a cashiering without trying to change its luck by ‘asking for a new deck’. Actual use of nuclear weapons is the only Russian offensive that can make a difference now. What Russia needs is the West to back off, just like the US needed China to in the latter stages of the Korean war. But merely threatening of nuclear use won’t work, Russia has to use them on the Ukrainian army,

Don’t you think it’s kinda weird that the first Canon of the first Ecumenical Council was a prohibition on clergy to get themselves castrated? I wonder how prevalent that was.

Dear Silvio,

Is there something you’re not telling us?

What all this tells us is that the racialization of politics has resulted in a bizarre cognitive dissonance among the most active participants. The most race aware white people live in the most diverse places. The most antiracist white people live in places that are so white they glow in the dark. What this suggests if you are worried about becoming a white nationalist is you should move to Oregon or Vermont. The surest way to not become a white nationalist is never meet a black person.

https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=30437

Here’s the demographic facts, which the Western MSM continually omits to mention.

Before February 2022, the World Bank gave Ukraine’s nominal population as 43.6 m.
Of that, 6.1 million were under Russian control in Crimea and the Donbas. Another 3 million ( including 1.5 m who had left for Poland after 2014 ) were living elsewhere in Europe. So de facto Ukraine had a population of 34.5 million.

Since then, things have got even bleaker. Another 4 million are now under Russian control in Zaphorizhzhia and Kherson oblasts and elsewhere. 8.3 million ( UNHCR figures ) fled abroad as refugees to the EU, Russia and elsewhere. So, before war losses, Ukraine’s present population is 22.2 m. However, many observers put the real numbers of refugees as well over 10 million, so the figure may be less than 20 million.

However, Ukraine’s war losses have been catastrophic. Most impartial observers put the number of KIA in the region of 300,00 or more. Many more have been wounded. By contrast, the BBC and Mediazona , both hostile to the Russian Government, have obtained figures of 27,500 Russian KIA.
These are from public sources – newspaper obits, crematorium notices and the like. They have claimed that the real figure is about 50,000, but other sources consider the raw figures fairly accurate and put the real figures about 30,000.

Bear in mind that the population of Russia is now over 150 million. So its losses are proportionately even less. 3/4 of all deaths in this war are the result of artillery shells, rockets and missiles. Most estimates claim that Russia is firing 8 to 10 times the artillery shells that Ukraine does per day. That is borne out by KIA figures. Ukrainian forces are attriting at an unimaginable rate.

Sean
Nothing along those lines is going to make Washington cut off Kiev, and so Ukraine will not stop fighting.

Ukraine is now reduced to grabbing 15 and 16 year-olds off the street and calling up old men and women. There is now strong resistance to all of this, but, of course, the Western MSM is not reporting it, so you may not be aware of this. Economically, Ukraine is on the point of collapse.

Ukraine’s resistance will not continue much longer. At some point, a Ukrainian commander in the field will capitulate to his Russian counterpart because there will be no Ukrainian Government left. Zelensky and his minions will have fled, perhaps on the instructions of Western Governments, or on their own initiative.

The Russian Government will be well-informed about this. Maybe they think that this collapse will happen within the next month or two. In that case, no Russian offensive will be necessary. We will know soon enough.

Time is on Putin’s side.

Let’s hope so. The alternative is that the Neocons who control American policy get desperate and do something really dangerous for the rest of us. It does not bear thinking about.

This is 2023.

How long will Ukraine soldiers willingly march to the slaughter in the service of the New World Order? Vietnam might be an analog.

Surely there is some kind of Ukraine samizdat where it is noted some Ukrainian new world order toadies are raking it in and none of their boys are catching PTSD. Some of Zelensky’s security detail meetings have to be a scream.

This doesn’t address what Russia will do with Right-bank Ukraine (West of the river).

The process of capitulation of the current Ukrainian government probably needs to include surrender of the military and full disenfranchisement of both the SBU and NeoNAZIs. If the government doesn’t actually control these groups it may be better for Russia to keep fighting until they are gone. At some point the regular Ukrainian military may work to round them up as a precondition for surrender.

Russia apparently has plenty of missiles for continuing strikes across Ukraine, so they will probably keep working through their military target list. My question is still which city flips first: Kharkov, Dnipro or Odessa?

I’m curious to know, as are probably a lot of the readers of this blog, whether your opinions about the current Russian/Ukrainian war have changed any since your new metamorphosis? Do you still feel that the political underpinnings for RusFed’s invasion of Ukraine are still justified? Should the war still continue, as from my vantage point it looks as if both countries are headed towards ruination? As I understand it, you’ve let go of a virulent Triunism?

probably a lot of the readers of this blog

1. this ain’t a blog
2. this reader doesn’t give a hoot what that fruit thinks about anything while he suffers through his current phase

House cats take to the water better than hood rats. Those fellows can drown in four feet of water.

Based on a true story.

“this reader” doesn’t represent everyone that reads this blog*. Get out of your bubble and try living in the world for a change.

*It’ still listed as a blog on the UNZ menu. You need to take this up with Ron Unz if you feel that it’s being misrepresented.

I am trying to read your Substack but it reads “coming soon” for the last month… I would like to read your articles. Please update if possible.

The vast majority of those who would resist, protest or revolt have either left the country or are under Russian control. Zelensky has banned all other parties and put the Ukrainian media under government control. The Western MSM isn’t interested in reporting any of this and critical media from other countries are not let in.

What you’ve got left are basically people with hundreds of years of historical grievance, real and imagined, against the Russian Government and Russia, rather like modern Poles. As a result, they have been very easily manipulated by the EU, NATO, America, the Zionists et al, but the consequences have been disastrous – for them.

But you’re right, losses have been catastrophic, and the point of collapse can’t be far off. I think the best analogy would be the Battle of Verdun 1916. French morale collapsed, and only strong support thereafter from British and British Empire troops staved off defeat. Ukrainian troops have no such support.

…people with hundreds of years of historical grievance, real and imagined, against the Russian Government and Russia, rather like modern Poles.

Kiev controls territory with 20 million people, plus 3-5 million living abroad come and go. That gives Kiev access to at least 2-3 million potential ‘soldiers’. Add few 10k foreign volunteers. They will not run out of cannon fodder.

Weapons will be plentiful for both sides almost indefinitely. The Ukie economy effectively ceased to exist: Western cargo-cult money, military industry, farming, selling of Ukie flesh in different forms. But we are beyond anyone caring about the economy – it is an absurdist and emotional nihilistic scream, desperate yearning to be someone else, preferably a “Westerner”. Good luck with that.

I don’t see a collapse no matter how bad it gets. They could have made a decent deal in the early 2022 and were told not to. Now it will go to the bitter end – one of the occasional human catastrophes that make no sense, but are impossible to stop.

Russia has no solution to right-bank Ukraine and large parts of the left-bank: they can’t occupy it, or have “local allies”, but they can’t allow Bandera-with-Nato diehards to control it. Europe cannot – and doesn’t want – a permanent war on the Russia-Ukraine border. We are heading towards the worst case scenario. In one way or another it will completely change the world and Europe – it was avoidable if the Ukies had some brains and if the neo-con nutcases were kept at a distance.

At some point a nuke here or there may seem almost like a relief. Just imagine what that will do to the Euro real estate, and the value of Euros. But best time to make money is when there is blood in the streets…

Vilnius Memo: Who’s Going to Bankroll This War?
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/08/01/vilnius-memo-who-going-bankroll-this-war/

You have no understanding of human nature or history.

You have no ability to explain what you mean.

Did Estonia pick the better flower?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centaurea_cyanus

Native to temperate Europe. It was long considered a major weed afflicting crops. But, like a few other old crop weeds, herbicides and better seed sifting has made it endangered in its native range.

They have put up a statue of Frederick Douglass in Belfast.

What they really need is a Statue of Liberty. I’d be happy to give them ours.

Lol

https://nitter.net/stillgray/status/1686713571994959872#m

Vigilantes fighting crime with instant corporal punishment is not funny.

But if you are going to do it whacking the crap out of the feet and knees is wise. You definitely won’t kill him even if he may never be able to play basketball again for the rest of his life.

Do the authorities in that jurisdiction prosecute for such minor injuries?

A cross is placed for every White Farmer killed in South Africa between 2018-2022.

Looks like genocide to me. pic.twitter.com/GZmRviyGSd

— iamyesyouareno (@iamyesyouareno) August 2, 2023

Then wouldn’t you agree that the 3,000 Donbas civilians killed by Kiev government – white, Russian ethnicity, but Ukie citizens – was also a “genocide“? Or will you giggle like that latter-day descendant of his SS-grandpa Scholz – because killing “Russians” is just so funny, isn’t it? Or the Odessa 49 Russian civilians murdered in May 2014.

We need to have a single standard – that’s what having rules and standards actually mean. You don’t get to pick and choose…

I’m against violence in general but that was nice to watch. Thanks.

This is all obviously speculation, a world of network states being a hypothetical construct, but I would suspect they would leave them along so long as they’re small, keep to themselves, don’t break worldwide ethical strictures (as defined on the base trust layer), don’t seek to expand their dominion coercively. De facto, I expect most of them to become larp/cosplay communities.

What about building a new trust layer using a different cryptocurrency if you’re not willing to play by the rules?

Also, such larp states don’t strike me as being all that impressive. They’re very far from being atomic space empires, after all. Even a Russia with 150 million people and not all that much elite science production would be more impressive, no?

It’s about giving individuals more options. Right now, governments confiscate about 40% of world GDP, and you have mostly no choice about it (unless you hold multiple citizenships, but that’s rare, and frowned upon). One of the main ideas is that there should be much more competitions between governance structures. Instead of 200 polities jealously exerting their claims on one’s loyalties and economic product, there will be 200,000 of them will much greater freedom of entry and exit between them.

Confiscate in the form of taxes, or what? Because if so, then isn’t there value in that due to this helping to promote wealth redistribution, et cetera?

Also, dual citizenship isn’t that frowned upon. I myself am able to have dual US-Israeli citizenship without any problems. And I don’t see any conflict so long as I am not forced to choose between them, but if I ever will be, I will be almost certainly guaranteed to choose the US unless the US would have already become an extremely brutal Nazi-like or Communist-like totalitarian dictatorship or something like that. I like big, powerful, and influential countries, and Israel simply can’t compete with the US in regards to this.

Do you expect all of these 200,000 new countries to gain international recognition? Because right now not even Kosovo can get universally recognized internationally.

Greater freedom of movement is certainly a good thing, but why destroy nation-states as a part of this process? Nation-states nowadays don’t prevent one from emigrating, after all, unlike the Soviet Union in the past or North Korea today. Hell, even the Taliban doesn’t prohibit emigration AFAIK.

Zelensky banned the pro-Russian parties, not all other parties, no?

Triunism or any other nationalist/right-wing ideology is perfectly irrelevant since I no longer “believe” in any nation-states and advocate for a No Borders world.

Even had Russia actually won the war, Russian nationalism would have been pointless since you claim that we will (as in, adults) soon be able to alter our DNA to make everyone super-smart and Russian, right? So, everyone will soon be able to immigrate anywhere else even under either a cognitively elitist or nationalist immigration policy, right?

That, and Ukrainians would have still been able to emigrate en masse to a Ukrainian network-state and outside of Russian rule, so that Russia could not have secured Ukrainians’ human capital for itself in any case in the long-run, thus making the current war completely stupid and pointless even in the event of a Russian victory.

Once again you’re hurrying to exclaim about kremlinite acid dimensions where watermelons and walnuts are the same, cause both look round from afar and begin with two same letters, lol

It was foreign sponsored and done invasion in 2014 where pro-Ukrainian citizens of Crimea/Donbas were being killed by armed militants from RF. In Odessa there was a group of pro-Ukrainians killed first by being shot in the streets by pro-RF crowd.

If there is a row of killed black farmers during 2018-2022 in South Africa, then situation could be somewhat very remotely compared with UA as SA was not being invaded by anybody at the time at all.

…killed black farmers during 2018-2022 in South Africa

Why so specifically narrow? By all accounts the whites in South Africa did considerable killing to the blacks, the apartheid and all that. They also justified it by saying that the blacks are sponsored by a foreign power.

It is the same thing, no walnuts and melons: Ukies killed 3k of their own citizens claiming that it was ok because they were “sponsored” by a foreign power. Well, we can equally agree that the post-Maidan Ukies are sponsored by foreign powers from Europe to US (they clearly are). So what is the difference?

It seems to me that you are ok with killing the Russian civilians with wrong views but are angry about SA white farmers being killed. That is incoherent and you end up in a hypocrisy cul-de-sac. Until you call things honestly and treat all sides in Ukraine as having equal rights you will continue on the painful descend. Is it worth it?

Wow, I knew Ridley Scott is old, but I didn’t know he is nearly 86!

…killed black farmers during 2018-2022 in South Africa

Why so specifically narrow? By all accounts the whites in South Africa did considerable killing to the blacks, the apartheid and all that.

Not at all.

South African Bantu had the highest standard of living and Blacks from nearby areas would migrate to RSA for work. Even under sanctions they had to work to keep Black laborers out.

Ukies killed 3k of their own citizens claiming that it was ok because they were “sponsored” by a foreign power.

3k citizens? What are you talking about here? Militia fighting? Are you suggesting that Ukraine should have let LPR/DPR fighters violently take over government buildings? Let them break the law and kill people because their corrupt pro-Russian president was removed? The president that was disavowed as a criminal and murderer by his own pro-Russian party?

They could have made a decent deal in the early 2022 and were told not to.

It was Putin that turned down an offer to take LPR/DPR along with constitutional neutrality for Ukraine
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/exclusive-war-began-putin-rejected-ukraine-peace-deal-recommended-by-his-aide-2022-09-14/

At some point a nuke here or there may seem almost like a relief.

Which would signal that they lost to a smaller force and will be a North Korean style state with permanent sanctions.

The Ruble is at a low and a nuke would push it even lower. Putin could end up with Weirmar style inflation. Is that a win? Of course not.

What makes you think that Russia would keep land in such a scenario? Putin is mortal and the next president could give the land back as an apology. Russians under 30 think Putin is a nutcase. They are currently forbidden from traveling to Europe and the US. Most Russians have relatives abroad. They don’t want to live in a pariah state and they don’t give a flying f-ck about the ruins of Donbas. The militias of LPR/DPR were all marched off to the front. Only Putin’s defenders think taking Donbas is somehow a win. The birth rate/economies of those areas will plunge. The women will most likely marry Ukrainian men or flee to the US.

Do you have a family tree for Putin’s extended family, such as his aunts, uncles, great-aunts, great-uncles, and the like? Just how long did all of them live?

Also, I’d believe in actuarial escape velocity in the mid-2030s when I’ll actually see this. AFAIK, we haven’t even developed a successful gene therapy for amyloidosis yet, which could help extend maximum human lifespan since apparently plenty of supercentenarians die from amyloidosis. If actuarial escape velocity does come, though, then I hope that that bastard Roman Polanski won’t live long enough to see it. He is turning 90 this year, so the odds of him croaking during the next 10-15 years are very good without anything truly unexpected happening.

A lot of politicians are smart (so, better genes, including for longevity, on average) and get elite healthcare and yet most of them don’t manage to live to age 100+. People like Henry Kissinger are exceptions, not the rule. As for longevity treatments progressively becoming more advanced, let’s see. Would we be able to make average life expectancy increase from 80 to 85 to 90 and then to 95 and 100 within a relatively short time period, for instance?

As a side note, I do believe that eventually we’ll be able to figure out how to tinker with the aging process. This is evidenced by the fact that progeria makes people age much faster than normal. So, in theory, one would think that it should be possible to do gene therapy or something to make people age much slower than normal as well and also not to get cancer and whatnot as a part of this process. I’m just unsure that this will actually come about as early as the mid-2030s. But if so, then Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was especially cruel for depriving hundreds of thousands of your own people the opportunity to reach longevity escape velocity, one of the biggest transhumanist visions and goals, in a dumb attempt to pursue a predatory imperialist Russian project that would have become pointless in the long-run anyway once a cure to aging would have resulted in Russia’s population massively increasing over the long-term anyway.

Russia’s EHC is much weaker than US EHC, and less progressive – that was especially true a decade ago, when dismissal of LGBTQ+ concerns and even hateful comments to them were par for the course amongst the Russian liberal opposition (which was not even so much progressive as reactionary liberal/pro-American neocon).

Was this still true in 2022? Is this why Russian EHC could not organize many more Russians to oppose Putin’s predatory imperialist war in Ukraine?

It hasn’t become a major topic for ideological mobilization. Much as say womyn changing their surnames to that of their husband after marriage, where attitudes between the US and Russia are the same.

EHC frequently writes articles condemning the natural-born citizen requirement for the US Presidency in the news/media. What else are they supposed to do?

Also, the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) was indeed a major topic for ideological mobilization and yet Phyllis Schlafly and her conservative followers still managed to defeat it even though the ERA had the support of the US’s EHC. How come?

IIRC, Anatoly previously said that he now considers the Russian invasion of Ukraine to have been a mistake and that EHC was proven right in opposing it from the start.

As for Ukraine, I hope that it will experience a baby boom after the end of this war. Hope. Can’t guarantee anything by any means, unfortunately. Though a strong and long-lasting economic boom could potentially make a Ukrainian baby boom more likely.

South Africa did considerable killing to the blacks, the apartheid and all that.

Not at all.

Right. The “Bantus” liked the apartheid, they liked it because someone fed them better, right?…what are a few occasional dead trouble makers compared to a good supper?

Are you an idiot? And you try to champion the Western “freedom”…it figures, it is always done by the same type.

3k citizens? What are you talking about here?

That is the official UN number of the Donbas Russian civilians killed by Kiev: bombing, shelling, street massacres. They were not “militias” or soldiers, that was a separate count. Tell us why that was ok – and if it was, why don’t SA blacks get to kill the whites who “oppressed” them? Because they are black? Because you like the Boers but hate the Russians? Why should anyone care about your emotional preferences?

It doesn’t work that way. You either denounce both or you should remain silent.

3k citizens? What are you talking about here?

That is the official UN number of the Donbas Russian civilians killed by Kiev: bombing, shelling, street massacres.

You are lying as usual.

That is the total number of civilians killed by both sides. About 80% were killed on Donbas territory, so the actual number of “Donbas Russian” civilians killed was 2,400.

Of course, Russia has killed far more “Donbas Russians” in 2022-2023.

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And almost nine of those were killed by “Street massacres.” Mostly bombings, shellings and mines. Russians chose to come to Ukrainian territory and fight from populated areas. Still, Kiev managed to minimize civilian casualties. About 30,000 civilians were killed when Moscow set the precedent of how to deal with rebellion when it tried to establish order in Chechnya, which has a far smaller population than Donbas.

Wonder what the ratio is on those citizens that the French are airlifting from Niger. Some of the phraseology strikes me as a bit suspicious. Like, on the first plane “a dozen babies.” (What kind of A-hole would being their baby to Niger?) And that there are less citizens in Niger than usual because of “school vacation.”

Until you call things honestly and treat all sides in Ukraine as having equal rights you will continue on the painful descend.

But you must understand that the only possible way to deal with a rebellion where a substantial part of the population wants to secede is to bomb the cities where the rebels are located and kill them along with several thousands of civilians. What else can you possibly do?

Killing 3,000 of your own civilian countrymen, including hundreds of children, is actually a very low figure for historical standards that proves how tremendously restrained the Poroshenko government was. Any other less humane leader would have killed several times that amount, making sure to make the proportion of children much higher.

You haven’t necessarily proven that sudden death is inconsistent. I am pretty sure that if the Berkut had successfully put an end to the Maidan rebellion and people in Western Ukraine had decided to secede instead, he wouldn’t find any objection to Yanukovich bombing Western Ukrainian cities and killing a few thousands of civilians. That’s the historical norm and what any democratic country in the EU would do. After all, what’s more important: the lives of some thousands of innocent civilians or the territorial integrity of a state?

Fully support Musk killing the bird. The word “twitter” has been misappropriated and abused, like the word “gay” and so many others. It is high time to return it to its original meaning.

Tens of thousands died in the violence and more than 100,000 became refugees from the carnage. The Syrian government plowed under the old city that had been the focal point of the rebellion.

https://www.hoover.org/research/hama-rules-revisited

About 3 million results for google search (hama rules).

First of all, nobody cares about 2022-23, those are simply consequences of what Ukies did to their citizens in 2014-22. You may like the consequences, dislike them, think they are disproportionate or not sufficient, but they are simply consequences. We are discussing how many Russian civilians were killed in Donbas by the Kiev government before February 2022.

That is the total number of civilians killed by both sides. About 80% were killed on Donbas territory, so the actual number of “Donbas Russian” civilians killed was 2,400.

The official UN number is 3k, you claim “only” 2,400. So I guess it is ok then, 2,400 is no biggie, nothing to get excited about – on 911 3k Americans were killed and they went to two wars almost immediately. Where were those other 600 killed? We know about the 50 Russians in Odessa – oh, 49, you are so clever 🙂 – how about the other 550? And what are you basing the 80% on?

Russians chose to come to Ukrainian territory… still Kiev managed to minimize civilian casualties.

Russians have lived in Donbas for almost 200 years, where would you want to go? Do you feel the same way about other people who have moved in the last 200 years? Should they go back home? How about the few million Poles in UK-US, should they pack up and go home?

No, the Russians didn’t “come”, they lived there. Most of the militias were local Russians, there are always foreign volunteers – today Ukies are boasting about all the Poles and Romanians who are helping them. For once, try to use the same standard.

And “minimize”? No kidding, only 3,000, or maybe only 2,400…why does anyone even care? Right, Mr. Idiot?

By all accounts the whites in South Africa did considerable killing to the blacks, the apartheid and all that.

Apartheid wasn’t about murdering innocent blacks. It was simply apartheid – whites defending the country they built from those who wanted to destroy it or who would simply degrade their lives and to whom they owed no obligation of integration. The words “and all that” are simply substituting for the fact that you have nothing more to say but decided it would sound better if you were to pretend.

It’s funny how quickly Beckow, who here and there talks about the travails of whites, rushes to the condemn the mildest of measures they might take to defend themselves. That’s because his fundamental priority is propping up the pro-Russia (and, from a historical perspective, pro-Soviet) line. No rhetorical move in this regard is too desperate for Beckow to look askance at it.

Typical demented commie. He’ll be first in line to sell his people out if he thought there was a shot it’d revive that bankrupt ideology. That’s all anyone needs to understand about this buffoon.

We are discussing how many Russian civilians were killed in Donbas by the Kiev government before February 2022.

But these are merely the consequences of Russian fighters and weapons being poured into Ukraine from Russia. You may like the consequences, dislike them, think they are disproportionate or not sufficient, but they are simply consequences.

The official UN number is 3k, you claim “only” 2,400

The official UN number of 3k applies to those killed by both sides.

About 80% of them were killed in rebel-held territory (by Kiev forces). That’s 2,400 killed by Kiev forces.

Where were those other 600 killed?

They were killed by Russian forces, Like when they bombed Mariupol in 2015:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2015_Mariupol_rocket_attack

You lied and claimed all 3,000 were killed by Kiev.

We know about the 50 Russians in Odessa – oh, 49, you are so clever

It was 42, liar.

And it happened as a consequence of Russians attacking the Ukrainian protesters and killing one of them first. You may like the consequences, dislike them, think they are disproportionate or not sufficient, but they are simply consequences.

No, the Russians didn’t “come”, they lived there

The ones responsible for the rebellion came. Girkin, the first military leader of the rebellion, was a Russian from Russia. So was the first PM of the Donetsk republic. No involvement of Russians from Russia, no civil war. The 2,400 civilians killed by Kiev were the consequence of Russians coming into Ukraine to cause a civil war. You may like the consequences, dislike them, think they are disproportionate or not sufficient, but they are simply consequences.

And, perhaps, Poroshenko’s conduct of the war followed the precedent set by Russia itself when it dealt with rebels in Chechnya. You think that precedents are important, don’t you? But being a Ukrainian, the way he conducted the war resulted in perhaps 10% of the civilian deaths that resulted when Russians conduct such wars.

Russia has now killed more Russians in Donbas than the ugliest Ukrainian nationalist could even have dreamed of.

Fully support Musk killing the bird. The word “twitter” has been misappropriated and abused

The opportunities to abuse “X” are even worse. (Use a Z sound for the X.)

    • What will posts be called? Xeets?
    • Will pustulant posts be known as Xits? Will they be popped?
    • Perhaps Southern authors will be Skeeter Xeeters?
    • What will forceful posts be know as? Yeet Xeets?

This is going to go badly… I want off the boat.

PEACE 😇

I don’t think you are serious (it is 2023 after all), but ok:

First, we need to leave out the what-if escape clause about what would Yanuk do in Lviv. It didn’t happen, so you can speculate but it is not a valid point. In any case, Yanuk did no such thing during Maidan, so you are almost certainly wrong.

Killing 3,000 of your own civilian countrymen, including hundreds of children, is actually a very low figure…

Maybe in WW2 or in the 17th century it would be no big deal. But in 2014-22 it was quite a big deal – a brutal treatment of its own citizens by a government in Kiev that came to power by questionable means. Bombing your own citizens for 8 years is a crime – it was against Ukie law to use military to suppress domestic unrest.

But let’s put that aside – some will call it a crime, some legitimate, whatever. My point is that it was Kiev that made the choice to decide it by force. So it will be decided by force – if Russia wins, they will be by definition right, if Ukies win, the same.

Isn’t it interesting that in our histories at the end the good guys always win? How does that work? Could there be something about the might-is-right that decides what narrative eventually prevails? It will the same in this war. So Kiev better win…can they?

Isn’t it interesting that in our histories at the end the good guys always win? How does that work?

Come on… You already know the answer…. The winners get to retroactively define ‘good guys’.

“History is always written by the winners. When two cultures clash, the loser is obliterated, and the winner writes the history books-books which glorify their own cause and disparage the conquered foe. As Napoleon once said, ‘What is history, but a fable agreed upon?”
 
― Dan Brown, The Da Vinci Code

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…It was simply apartheid – whites defending the country they built from those who wanted to destroy it or who would simply degrade their lives and to whom they owed no obligation of integration.

The whites were a small minority and thus had really no right to lord over the blacks. But if you want to go on defending the South African apartheid – and its murderous day to day system – go on, I really don’t care. But try to be consistent.

When you lose an argument and have nothing to say substantially you go for ad-hominem and your ideological preconceptions. I can’t help you, but it is quite sad to embarrass yourself here by sophomoric bleating…are you a Polack by any chance? It often comes naturally to them. But to be fair it is common among all people with lower IQ. It accomplishes nothing.

Right. The “Bantus” liked the apartheid, they liked it because someone fed them better, right?…what are a few occasional dead trouble makers compared to a good supper?

Do you deny that Africans from nearby countries flocked to the RSA as migrant workers? Even when under global sanctions?

3k citizens? What are you talking about here?

That is the official UN number of the Donbas Russian civilians killed by Kiev: bombing, shelling, street massacres. They were not “militias” or soldiers, that was a separate count.

Well let’s see your official source then. 3,0000 Donbas Russian civilians killed by the Ukrainian government? You are talking Ukrainian military then? Show us your source or be Putin defender #203 that doesn’t have one.

Tell us why that was ok – and if it was, why don’t SA blacks get to kill the whites who “oppressed” them? Because they are black? Because you like the Boers but hate the Russians? Why should anyone care about your emotional preferences?

I don’t believe that SA Blacks were oppressed any more or less than Blacks in nearby countries where “big man” dictators hire based on kinship. They had restrictions but handing them political power was a mistake based on race denial. The country needed to a better solution than handing power to Blacks and hoping for the best. Nearby countries had a thousand years to build their own Capetowns. I don’t see the point in forcing Whites to live behind barbed wire and fearing rape because the West refuses to drop childish beliefs on race.

I’m also not an egalitarian or globalist. I don’t believe for one second that it there is some universal form of government that can work for every country. Another childish belief that the West refuses to drop in the face of countering evidence.

You mean give it away before (((they))) tear it down?

Off-topic, but I find it interesting just how closely the Austro-Hungarian internal ethnic borders match with the current national borders in that region:

The correlation isn’t perfect (Sudetenland, South Tyrol, Vojvodina, et cetera), but it nevertheless is quite significant.

This could be the feel good viral video of the year.

Now we need a juicy Trump hot mike comment to make it even more surreal.

What was sad is that there was sometimes ethnic cleansing where the ethnic borders didn’t match the national borders. The Sudetenland (post-WWII, in response to the atrocities of WWII), the Serbian Krajina (1990s), and attempted in South Tyrol during WWII with the Transfer Agreement, which was never fully implemented due to the war, thankfully:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transfer_Agreement

Just shows that one shouldn’t aim for perfection in regards to national borders. For instance, Russia’s attempts over the last decade to revise its border with Ukraine has resulted in an unspeakable amount of suffering for both Russians and Ukrainians.

How about a juicy Trudeau take instead?

Divorce Leaves Nation In Shock That He Was Married To A Woman

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced the separation from his wife of 18 years Tuesday, shocking millions of Canadians who reportedly had no clue the effeminate leader had been married this whole time, least of all to a woman.

“Oh wow, he was married?” said normal Canadian woman Jill Thorleaf. “That’s nice. Wait — to a woman? Really?? Huh. Wow. I had no idea. Good for him.”

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(1) https://babylonbee.com/news/trudeaus-divorce-leaves-nation-in-shock-that-he-was-married-to-a-woman

Yanuk did no such thing during Maidan, so you are almost certainly wrong.

I was just explaining what sudden death would feel in my purely hypothetical scenario so only he can prove me wrong.

Besides, most likely Yanuk didn’t kill thousands of civilians because all they were doing was just try to overthrow his government. As sudden death and many others have explained here for years, Galicia trying to leave Ukraine (especially if, God forbid, some Poles came across the border to join the rebellion) would be a much more grave scenario and Yanukovich killing a few thousand Galician civilians is the least one could expect, according to them.

Maybe in WW2 or in the 17th century it would be no big deal. But in 2014-22 it was quite a big deal

That’s exactly what I would have thought not long ago. As I said in the previous thread, NATO actually went to war in Libya shortly before Maidan because Gaddafi was killing his own civilians. But events have proven me wrong and all I can do is admit my mistake.

In this day and age it is perfectly possible for a government to suppress a rebellion by killing thousands of its own civilians without people in the West (let alone Poland and the Baltics) finding anything wrong with it and actually considering that government to be a democratic ally. Well, at least if the MSM machinery decides to turn a blind eye to those killings in the West. In Poland, the Baltics and other Eastern European countries I’m not sure if the MSM prerequisite is even necessary. You should know better than me.

Yes, come on…I was just teasing them ….:)…but most of them won’t get it, they are too prim and scared to think.

On another topic, this Trump latest charge is quite amusing. How do you actually interfere with elections weeks after they take place? What is this? Burundi with freeways? I am getting worried that the liberals are going ape-shit, losing their grip and making some real boboos. These could be really the end-of-times. This much hypocrisy and emotional hatreds often leads to explosions and cataclysmic changes – one good thing is that after a big explosion the devil is usually gone, the mayhem sweeps him aside for a while….:)

Anyway, good luck with it. I still say that Trump was too accommodating and appointed wrong people – there is no evidence that if he was elected again he would be any better in implementing what he says he wants. But maybe…(and how about the RFK Junior guy?)

He can do the Bruce Jenner maneuver.

The whites were a small minority and thus had really no right to lord over the blacks.

When they established the country it was minimally black. (Not that anyone would expect you to acquaint yourself with simple facts before opining, of course.) Can’t really blame them for trying to keep it for themselves. But it would have been wiser to make a clean break than try to manage the lives of the blacks.

and its murderous day to day system – go on, I really don’t care. But try to be consistent

Yes, you are a model of consistency – you lie in virtually every post. “murderous day to day system.” LOL.

When you lose an argument and have nothing to say substantially you go for ad-hominem and your ideological preconceptions.

You have perfectly described yourself here. You pepper every post with snide ad hominem remarks, usually out of desperation to defend your bankrupt ideological stance but occasionally because you genuinely seem to enjoy it. If anyone on this blog is a poster child for this behavior, it’s you.

I think Beckow is mistaken since the South African problem is completely different from the Ukraine/Russia crisis. The issue in Africa is simply that IQ 70 and IQ 100 populations are not compatible on equal terms. It was easy for outsiders to inflame this situation because the sense of fairness in the IQ 100 group leaves them vulnerable to mistaken ideas which are blatantly self-destructive. At the current rate, the Boers will be driven out or killed and later the civilization run by the blacks will collapse. This sanction of the victim is such a winning formula that it is being used wholesale on the West.

Haha…like a desperate kinder-gardener when you lose an argument all you know how to do is “no, you are stupid“. Come on, you need to do better…:)

When they established the country it was minimally black.

Right, Mr.Deep Thinker. And America was “minimally white”. So? It makes no difference, they ended up with a 15% white minority trying to lord over a large black majority. Get real. We don’t live in the 17th century.

…try to manage the lives of the blacks.

What is that? Can you elaborate? Maybe the way Ukies tried to manage the lives of the Russians living in Ukraine? Kill some, expel some, suppress the rest? You are a real piece of work, I never thought there would be an actual pro-Ukie moron who would sink to defending apartheid. But I guess, once you hate one group, it is easy to move on and hate others too…

Denying that apartheid was murderous is simply idiotic. Just look it up, it was…

I wonder which multiracial, multiethnic, and/or multi-religious country is going to be the next one to collapse and break up, following in the footsteps of Austria-Hungary, the Russian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, British India, Pakistan (1971), Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, and the Soviet Union.

… the Boers will be driven out or killed and later the civilization run by the blacks will collapse.

It will be like any other Afro country: they don’t collapse, they just don’t do very well.

My point was very simple: you can’t object to Africans killing the Boer farmers and celebrate Ukies killing Russians – kind of the same thing: majority out of hatred killing a smaller group. IQ has nothing to do with it – we don’t measure the IQ and then allow killing of the lower IQ people. Or would you like that? Where do we draw the line?

South Africa was gone by the 1940’s or 50’s – the numbers couldn’t be reversed any longer. It will turn into another African country. The apartheid was a losing proposition and never had a chance.

I don’t think Russians in Ukraine (millions of them) will end the same way. But let’s see what happens. Most likely the stronger side will prevail and create new reality. That doesn’t bode well for the Ukies.

Yes, come on…I was just teasing them ….:)…but most of them won’t get it, they are too prim and scared to think.

Yes… I was simply following your lead. ;-{P

On another topic, this Trump latest charge is quite amusing. How do you actually interfere with elections weeks after they take place?

The charges are laughable. It is all about giving the Fake Stream Media something to bloviate about. The Nazi-crats are attempting to distract from Devon Archer’s appearance at the House of Representatives. The effort to cover up Hunter’s crimes failed.

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Trump was too accommodating and appointed wrong people

Which appointments? One has to grasp that the need to obtain Senate conformation foisted large number of establishment shills on his administration. Do you REALLY think that Trump WANTED Mrs. Mitch McConnell, Elaine Chao? If you do, you need your head examined. It was clearly foisted on him, not a willing appointment.

Trump did make a few mistakes. Appointing Jeff “Judas” Sessions was a fiasco. However, how could Trump have known in advance that Sessions was part of Team Hillary? Sessions hatred of God and and Country was a brutal and treasonous betrayal. Did anyone expect him to be Biblically unclean, a servant Satan and Leftoids?

if he was elected again he would be any better in implementing what he says he wants

Trump’s 2nd term will feature:
    • More MAGA House for appropriations
    • More MAGA Senate for appointing better people

No President gets everything. But, it is clear that advancing the MAGA movement as a whole has created positive synergy with the Legislative and Judicial branches. Trump’s impending second term has vastly more potential than his first.

PEACE 😇

I have answer question for you, Anatoly: What are your thoughts on phl43’s (Philippe Lemoine’s) argument that the West should have simply let Ukraine fall in 2022 and then subsequently funded an anti-Russian insurgency in Ukraine because doing so would have allegedly been cheaper for the West and also would not have pissed off Russia quite as much as funding a conventional Ukrainian war effort against Russia would have?

My own thoughts are that it’s very far from guaranteed that a Ukrainian insurgency would have actually succeeded against Russia due to Ukraine’s high median age (over 40), very low TFR (1.3), and open borders with the EU (which is much wealthier than Ukraine is). I suspect that once all of the brave Ukrainians would have been killed or sent to jails/gulags, the rest of Ukraine’s population would have either reluctantly accepted the new status quo or emigrated if they truly couldn’t tolerate this. The Ukrainian state can force unwilling Ukrainians to fight, but Ukrainian insurgents aren’t going to have this luxury, and the occasional terrorist attack or two or three or five or ten is not going to convince Russia to withdraw from Ukraine in a scenario where Russia would have already conquered Ukraine. In such a scenario, to get Russia to withdraw from Ukraine, at least tens of thousands of Russians and Russian collaborators would need to get killed (comparable to the French who were killed in Algeria), and even then, I just don’t know if it would have actually been enough since French didn’t consider Muslim Algerians to be one people together with them like Russians do with Ukrainians and since France could withdraw from Algeria from a position of demographic strength (a long-lasting baby boom) whereas Russia would not have had this luxury.

But if a hypothetical Ukrainian insurgency would have actually been successful enough to kill enough Russians and Russian collaborators to get Russia to withdraw from Ukraine (and I doubt this, especially in regards to Novorossiya and Left-Bank Ukraine, even if Russia would have withdrawn from the rest of Ukraine), then Western relations with Russia would have very likely been destroyed in any case since Russians certainly wouldn’t like the West helping Ukrainian insurgents kill tens of thousands of Russians and Russian collaborators.

He can do the Bruce Jenner maneuver.

Only men can do the Bruce Jenner maneuver. That means it is unavailable to Justin Trudeau. He never looked like this.

PEACE 😇

BTW, the Goldman Sachs projections for Egypt for 2075 are likely exaggerated (unless AI contributes a massive productivity rise by then, including in the Third World, which is very far from impossible), but Egypt does have a lot of potential because of its huge population growth and smart fraction:

https://www.goldmansachs.com/intelligence/pages/gs-research/the-path-to-2075-slower-global-growth-but-convergence-remains-intact/report.pdf

https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2023/01/smart-fraction-theory-vindicated/

Egypt apparently has the second-largest smart fraction *relative to its average IQ* out of all of the countries who were measured, behind only South Africa. Not the second-largest smart fraction overall, only the second-largest smart fraction in a relative sense in comparison to its own average dullness.

Haha…like a desperate kinder-gardener when you lose an argument all you know how to do is “no, you are stupid“. Come on, you need to do better…:)

When your style is simply to dive into a topic without actually bothering to have first learned anything about it, then make up whatever sounds good (to you), and then hurl accusations at your critics when your shortcomings are exposed – “you’re Polish, your low IQ blah blah” – it rings really, really hollow to talk about kindergarten behavior. (Being impervious to embarrassing yourself may be beneficial IRL, but it doesn’t translate so well to online.)

Denying that apartheid was murderous is simply idiotic.

Why do you backtrack and try and soften it now? You said it was “day to day” murderous, suggesting that killing “innocent blacks” was somehow fundamental to what apartheid was all about. Just like American cops go around killing innocent blacks today as a natural outgrowth of “white supremacist” capitalism – just ask BLM. Actually, it wouldn’t even surprise me if your commie poisoned brain decided to bite the bullet add that element to your repertoire of anti-western rhetoric.

My point was very simple: you can’t object to Africans killing the Boer farmers and celebrate Ukies killing Russians – kind of the same thing: majority out of hatred killing a smaller group.

Who is “celebrating” it? As far as I can see they’re regarded as unfortunate casualties of war. Not as unfortunate as the minority Chechens whom the far larger Russian majority killed many more of under similar circumstances, but unfortunate all the same. Btw, isn’t there a word associated with someone does something first? It’s on the tip of my tongue.

…You should know better than me.

My guess is that the killing would come to people in Central Eastern Europe quite easily – everyone forgot history and there is a certain absurd lightness about how most people view events. Maybe a little blood is needed every few generations to keep things going. It seems that over time hatreds and resentments get worse and that has to be cleared out – so to speak, the devil has to come out into the open and be dealt it.

But I disagree about sudden death – he was incoherent and he didn’t see that A is an A, no matter what labels you put on it. Some people seem to think that when you stick ‘Afro’ (or Bantu?) into a sentence all is allowed.

To test your proposition, I doubt very much that Madrid could have attacked Catalonia and kill 3k people – or even kill 100 people. It would blow up in their face. Same with Hungarians in Romania, Irish, French in Belgium…

The one exception – other than the swarthy tribes in the south – are Russians. There is a complete and conscious disregard for their lives and basic human rights – and it is not any worse in the Central East than in Western Europe. It is a kind of a mania – the decades (or centuries) of propaganda have born very bitter fruit. We will all pay a high price for this idiotic hatred and hypocrisy.

Let’s recap. The West has been pressing Russia to go to war or capitulate since 1990. Russia hung on for thirty years and called their bluff in Ukraine. Hapless Ukrainians were foolish enough to get caught in the middle of this existential crisis for Russia.

The West is eagerly fighting to the last Ukrainian. Russia will also fight to the last Ukrainian because she has no choice. With any capitulation or sign of weakness from Russia the West will come on stronger. All of the West’s cards have been on the table for a long time, so there is no need to pretend this is about Ukrainian sovereignty, democracy, LGBT child abuse or any other distraction. The West wants to take Russia out. This is why it is an existential crisis.

Russia has escalation dominance. They are still protecting the hapless Ukrainians as much as possible. They can always let go of that constraint if they feel Mother Russia is immediately threatened.

Think about it. If Ukraine is burned to ashes and everyone leaves, Russia may be better off than when this started, since the heartbreaking losses count for less than the existential threat. This scorched earth would keep out NATO and the West. Russia has millions of square miles of underdeveloped land so what is a bit more? They will get around to it.

People in the West seem to think in terms of fantasy GI Joe and Hollywood wars with a happy ending. The actual stakes are: 1) Russia wins 2) Russia loses her civilization 3) Everyone dies. The West is pushing for 2) and has no sensible or even altruistic motives of any kind, just power lust and blood lust. Option 1) is least bad for everyone.

Most people still do not understand how dangerous this really is.

isn’t there a word associated with someone does something first? It’s on the tip of my tongue.

You are getting warmer. The first attack was by Nato on Serbia in 1999, Russian attack to subdue Chechnya followed half a year later. (A bit different, but let’s put that aside.)

So – the drumbeat!!!! – the magic word precedent goes to Nato. Is that what you were trying to say? See, we finally agree on something…:)

I think Beckow is mistaken since the South African problem is completely different from the Ukraine/Russia crisis. The issue in Africa is simply that IQ 70 and IQ 100 populations are not compatible on equal terms.

It’s also not as simple as Blacks vs Whites.

The Zulu for example did not want majority Black rule. They didn’t trust the Xhosa over the Boers.

Everyone saw what happened in Zimbabwe. Dead White farmers, fallow fields and record inflation. Not just for the country but world history. They hit 1,000,000 to 1 dollar.

Zimbabwe Blacks had better employment under White farmers.

Africa is a complicated situation. We have tried the hands off approach and the results were worse. I’m not claiming to have all the answers but Black rule did not lead to Wakanda as many leftists promised. Christian conservative and libertarian theories have also failed. Christians have been trying to fix Haiti since the 19th century.

A better solution would have been to carve out White homelands. Or cut South Africa in half and create a Boer/Zulu/Coloured republic.

Xhosa Bantu are not even native to the area. The local San view them as outsiders.

BTW, question: Had the US refused to support Ukraine in 2022 (nearly impossible politically, I know), just how much harder would it have been for Ukraine to sustain its war effort with only funding from Europe, Canada, et cetera?

My point was very simple: you can’t object to Africans killing the Boer farmers and celebrate Ukies killing Russians – kind of the same thing: majority out of hatred killing a smaller group.

Still waiting for your UN source on those killings.

This isn’t a pro-Putin blog like Moon of Alabama where such bullshit is easily promoted through censorship of the comments.

The militia fighting started when separatists like Igor Girkin tried creating breakaway regions.

Igor Girkin is now in prison after calling out Putin. He thinks Putin is a war dunce and that Russia will lose.

The largest single loss of civilian lives were Ukrainian as part of the separatist attack on Flight 17.

Igor Girkin has taken moral responsibility for the terrorist attack:
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/05/20/mh17-suspect-admits-moral-responsibility-for-downing-jet-a70328.

Unlike you I can provide sources.

South Africa was gone by the 1940’s or 50’s – the numbers couldn’t be reversed any longer. It will turn into another African country. The apartheid was a losing proposition and never had a chance.

Do explain given that they invented an advanced type of nuclear reactor in 1980s while under sanctions. How did that happen if they didn’t exist?

Apartheid was ended because their president had a case of White guilt. The South African Rand did better against the dollar under sanctions. Strange but true.

What they should have done was broken up the country. If globalists and egalitarians were correct about race not mattering then the Xhosa republic would have advanced just as quickly.

This is the result of globalist race denial:

There is a strange contrast between the conflicts in Ukraine and South Africa.

The Ukraine problem is part of the West versus Russia Superpower tension. It is about human weakness. On average the people on either side of the conflict are almost interchangeable. This holds for Ukraine versus Russia and even the West versus Russia.

The South Africa problem seems to be more fundamental. It appears to be about human capability. In many ways the people on both sides are also interchangeable, but not entirely. One average there appear to be some distinct differences between the capabilities of the two peoples.

By interchangeable I mean comparable on average. I am not referring to the wonderful differences between individuals of all groups.

The first attack was by Nato on Serbia in 1999, Russian attack to subdue Chechnya followed half a year later. (A bit different, but let’s put that aside.)

You lie as usual.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War

On 11 December 1994, Russian forces launched a three-pronged ground attack towards Grozny. The main attack was temporarily halted by the deputy commander of the Russian Ground Forces, General Eduard Vorobyov [Ru], who then resigned in protest, stating that it is “a crime” to “send the army against its own people.”[38

Russia would go on to kill a minimum of 30,000 civilians in that war, before it lost. It would invade again a few years later.

JJ, keeping it weird, one message at a time. A Colt Defender is infinitely more respectable than some weird condom.

Beckow’s timeline [of intellectual decay] and the South African nuclear projects are not mutually exclusive.

I agree about White Guilt and breaking up the country. The Boers would have needed a very strong wall. A separate state solution in South Africa probably would have led to similar resolutions in other areas of the World and was therefore not acceptable to the powers that be.

Others have advocated the idea of breaking up the USSR version of Ukraine as well. Sadly, a small Galicia-Ukraine is not useful to Western schemers and was not allowed to happen organically.

Killing 3,000 of your own civilian countrymen,

Don’t repeat Beckow’s lies.

According to the UN, the total number of civilians killed by both sides was about 3,000. 80% of these were killed in rebel-held territory y Kiev, 20% on Kiev-held territory by the pro-Russian rebels.

So it’s 2,400. If you want to insist on rounding to the nearest thousand, then use 2,000.

I am pretty sure that if the Berkut had successfully put an end to the Maidan rebellion and people in Western Ukraine had decided to secede instead, he wouldn’t find any objection to Yanukovich bombing Western Ukrainian cities and killing a few thousands of civilians.

False analogy.

The Donbas rebellion was led by foreigners (invaders). First military leader was a Russian (Girkin). So was the first PM (Borodai born in Moscow). It was not led by locals (indeed, the Russian invader imprisoned the elected mayor of the city he captured) nor were the local activists involved people who had ever been elected to lead the place. This was a mic of foreign adventurers and local Russian nationalist activists who had been a minority group. The locals didn’t oppose them much, but it wasn’t their project.

There were no foreigners among the militia leaders of Maidan, and it was supported by political parties who had actually won elections. In Donbas, the Party of Regions did not lead the resistance. Russians from Russia led it.

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If a Mexican colonel leading a bunch of armed Mexican soldiers, joined by some unelected Mexican-American activists, seized cities in Arizona, California, etc. declaring them to be a Mexican Republic you think the US government would just give them their Mexican Republic, because trying to take it back would cost civilian lives?

Would you want them to just give up those cities?

the lives of some thousands of innocent civilians or the territorial integrity of a state?

Do you support California’s policy of not enforcing laws involving theft from businesses because doing so may cost lives? After all, what’s more important, a life or property? Do you think it’s wrong to call the police on criminals, because this results in the risk of someone getting hurt?

Of course, in the case of a situation like Donbas, integrity of the state is not only about property. Since you apparently are willing to cede land to foreign invaders and unelected Russian nationalist activists, what’s to stop them from moving from Donbas to Kiev, or Lviv. or Poland, or Germany, etc.? All these armed gangs have to do is seize some lands and buildings, find some willing local collaborators (there are Putin fans even in the USA, plenty of them) and voila – nobody touch them, civilians might be killed after all. It’s only territorial integrity. Can’t risk anyone getting killed for that. Would you donate your land to some armed guys like that? Or do you demand that only Ukraine give up its lands.

The one exception – other than the swarthy tribes in the south – are Russians.

It does look that way.

In fact, it’s totally wrong to say that we are at war with Russia since the invasion. Here in the US we have been at war with Russia for 7 years now. It’s not just that they bombarded us from all corners with the ridiculuos conspiracy theory that Putin had put Trump in the White House. The Russians have been demonized non-stop and accused of the most bizarre things while constant sanctions were applied, often for no discernible reason. Elsewhere, the Russians were accused of the Brexit results (hilariously, they also accused warmonger Boris Johnson of being on the Kremlin pay) or the Catalonia referendum (no joking, the Spanish media accused Putin of being behind the Catalan independence movement).

I guess most of us here experienced a breaking point at some point that led us to conclude that the MSM are totally dishonest, not just on a few issues but at a very fundamental level. For me that was witnessing in real time how the Western press suddenly disengaged from the Donbass war precisely at the time when their reporting would have been critical: when the bulk of the 3k civilian deaths we’ve been discussing started to mount up. They all put the issue in the backburner and the fact is that it worked. A large majority of the Western audiences have a short attention span, limited interest in foreign matters, frank disdain for the lives of exotic people, especially of the colored type (unless you show them their suffering non-stop in prime time) and a candid belief that we live in a free speech society and journalists are honest.

But it can’t possibly be racism. Not in the West. Who regards Sharapova or Kournikova as racially inferior? My guess is that it is a combination of factors: unfinished business from the 1st Cold War for some, Putin’s strong anti-gay and pro-family stance for the very influential leftist-woke crowd and, quite frankly, the many unforced errors and mess ups the authoritarian Russians are prone to. Plus the plebes’ need to be fed a villain to hate. But this is just my wild guess. I don’t really know.

PS- Of course, my conjectures on sudden death’s reaction to Yanukovich killing thousands of civilians in Lviv were tongue in cheek. But I was just saying what I would have to if I decided to take his side’s arguments seriously.

Beckow’s timeline [of intellectual decay] and the South African nuclear projects are not mutually exclusive.

Where was the intellectual decay? They had sanctions by the entire world and yet they came up with not only their own nuclear plant but also weapons. They are still the only state to have created nuclear weapons and then disposed of them.

I agree about White Guilt and breaking up the country. The Boers would have needed a very strong wall. A separate state solution in South Africa probably would have led to similar resolutions in other areas of the World and was therefore not acceptable to the powers that be.

They should have played hardball and gone for the gullet of the lying globalist.

Create their own Institute of Racial Studies and invite the world to study the results.

If globalists are correct that race is merely skin color then there is nothing to worry about, right?

(A few months later)

A compromise has been reached!

Don’t repeat Beckow’s lies.

Don’t you lie through your teeth. We all know that you haven’t been hiding under a rock these past 2 years and you are well aware that Kiev has continued to kill plenty of civilians in Donbass. So if such a thing as lying by wrongly rounding up numbers exists, you are the master liar here with your 2,000 figure. Man up to what the regime you support has done to a part of its population.

Of course the Russians have been even worse by killing probably more only in Mariupol. But it’s not me who is defending the Putin. It’ you who is defending Poroshenko and Zelensky.

 Would you donate your land to some armed guys like that?

I would’t hesitate to use lethal force if that was the only way to keep squatters out of my small farm. But of course I would never shoot if I feared that I may harm my neighbors, never mind my family members. I would indeed prefer to lose a part of my property rather than killing any of them. Wouldn’t you??

But more importantly for the question at hand, if a large part of my community wanted to secede from Utah or even from the US, I would oppose the idea but if they were totally adamant, I would find that the most civilized solution would be to let the people decide in a free vote. Never to bomb the hell out of the secessionists, along with any innocent civilians in their midst. The presence or absence of any foreign adventurers would be immaterial to this basic preference.

And right there I have just answered all convoluted scenarios that you may come up with to continue to try to force me to say that killing civilians for political reasons is right. Of course you’ll keep trying though. There’s no deafness as bad as not wanting to hear.

Peter Zelahan claims Russia is flat and so easy to invade it feels it must win back the invasion entry points to the steppe, As for why they are doing it now he relies a lot on demographic arguments and claims the Kremlin has to use its male population before it they age out and there are not enough for a military initiative (very like what Spengler wrongly said about Iran a while back).

Clausewitz said that there is amazing little difference between the KIAs of a battle’s winner and those of the loser. According to him the gains in morale are the significant factor. He also makes the point that when there is a disparity in casualties it occurs not when during the heaviest fighting but when one side retreats and gets slaughtered as they flee. So I am afraid I do not believe that Ukraine is going to run out of men.

Tank drives don’t work anymore, nor or wars lost by running out of infantry because there is always the option to stop attacking. Russia is choosing to advance at such a snail’s pace that it is barely discernable from defence. The reasons are partly that they have no real option in modern warfare as it rapidly evolved in Ukraine to consolidate rather than swiftly press an advantage, and also the Kremlin wants to keep the war going. Ukraine is not going to join Nato while the war is on.

Russia has been backward for half a millennium, and the Soviets were thought to have all kinds of capabilities that at the fall of communism they were discovered not to have. Now the Russians are probably being underestimated at least their ability to learn how to learn and give it a better try.

If and when push comes to shove and Russia seems to be on the pojnt of having to retreat (possible but unlikely), Putin will have a non conventional option against the Ukrainian army. And any US retaliation too.

My guess is that it is a combination of factors: unfinished business from the 1st Cold War for some, Putin’s strong anti-gay and pro-family stance for the very influential leftist-woke crowd and, quite frankly, the many unforced errors and mess ups the authoritarian Russians are prone to.

The New York Times and the Economist decided Putin was enemy on the same day. It was the day he canceled the deals Yeltsin signed with the multinational oil companies to plunder Russian oil and gas for the benefit of the New York London fortunes. It has been non-stop, loud, and uniform continuously ever sense.

This is not rocket science!

This is how large parts of the Western MSM presented it, and indeed Zelensky himself. Some even called it a “temporary” ban.
https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1011528/zelensky-nationalizes-tv-news-and-restricts-opposition-parties

Essentially, TV has been taken over by the state and the only parties permitted are those approved by the President. Rather like the system under Communism. Oh, and the elections have been cancelled. All hail President-for-Life Zelensky !

BTW, question: Had the US refused to support Ukraine in 2022 (nearly impossible politically, I know), just how much harder would it have been for Ukraine to sustain its war effort with only funding from Europe, Canada, et cetera?

We will find out relatively soon. America has neither prestige nor national interest at stake. Walking away from the Veggie-in-Chief’s personal folly is already in motion & accelerating.

How much are Paris & Berlin are willing to contribute?

The burn rate on offense is ~€3 Billion/week. Even a conservative defense will chew up €1 Billion/week. Can the European Empire afford €50 Billion/year, minimum? If not, at some point Kiev will no longer be able to function.

PEACE 😇

The thing is though, the Afrikaners will not be driven out of South Africa by angry black mobs as so many on the right like to believe. There will be no vicious race war, especially not now. For the reality is that the white Afrikaner population is now old and at retirement age.

The youth have predominately left the country, settling mainly in Australia, the UK and other parts of the world, with no intention to really come back aside from holidays.

Many of the middle aged have also left for greener pastures abroad.

The only ones left are the elderly, a few young families who for whatever reason have decided to stay, poor whites who can’t get out and the Volkstaat brigade.

When I visited South Africa about a decade or so ago, I was astonished at how old the white Afrikaner population was even back then. I encountered a few young people but mostly it felt like a retirement home. I am sure that this trend has only continued.

Fertility rates for the whites are pretty much at the same level as in the Western world. That is not enough babies being born to replace the elderly. The black population, though not as fertile as the rest of Africa, still is at replacement level.

So why would the blacks at this stage even bother having a race war with a huge elderly population? Aside from Malema making a few noises here and there, no one in the ANC elite views the white population as a threat, neither does the black majority. The whites are just there, a ghost of what they once were, dying out at a very fast pace.

No need for race war. The white population will probably go extinct by about the 2050s as a viable ethnic group with ethnic interests in South Africa with only a slither of individuals left behind. When I visited, whites were 9.1 percent of the population. Now they are about 7.5. Considering they have dropped by about 2 percent in just over a decade, you can do the maths quite easily.

Plus if there ever is going to be any civil strife in South Africa, it will be between various black groups. Maybe the ANC goes head to head with Malema or the Zulus and Xhosa have a spat. Either way, the fight will be between the blacks with the whites an after thought.

“Don’t repeat Beckow’s lies.”

Don’t you lie through your teeth

I don’t. Beckow keeps lying that prior to the Russian invasion Ukraine killed 3,000 civilians. According to the UN, 3k was the total number killed by both sides. About 80% were killed by Kiev. That’s 2400.

You repeated that lie, of 3k.

My statement that you repeated Beckow’s lie was correct.

We all know that you haven’t been hiding under a rock these past 2 years and you are well aware that Kiev has continued to kill plenty of civilians in Donbass

We all know that the false figure of 3k refers to the number of civilians killed by Kiev prior to the invasion that was used by Russia (and Beckow) as an excuse for the invasion.

I don’t know how many have subsequently killed as Kiev fights back.

So if such a thing as lying by wrongly rounding up numbers exists, you are the master liar here with your 2,000 figure

I didn’t insist on rounding to 2,000. I said if you insist on rounding, 2,000 is closer to the actual figure of 2,400 than 3,000 is.

Do you agree that 2,000 is closer to 2,400 than is 3,000?

Of course the Russians have been even worse by killing probably more only in Mariupol. But it’s not me who is defending the Putin. It’ you who is defending Poroshenko and Zelensky.

Because circumstances are different not only in terms of number of people killed (though at some point quantity is a quality of its own) but also in the nature of each action. Killing while in the process of fighting off foreign invaders like Girkin in one’s own sovereign territory is completely different from killing while invading another country.

I would’t hesitate to use lethal force if that was the only way to keep squatters out of my small farm. But of course I would never shoot if I feared that I may harm my neighbors, never mind my family members. I would indeed prefer to lose a part of my property rather than killing any of them. Wouldn’t you??

Sure. Of course there is a problem if this refusal to apply potentially deadly force becomes policy because that would encourage more and more squatting and theft. We see that in California which decriminalized shoplifting (the risk of people being hurt in order to defend property was deemed unacceptable). Stopping an armed bank or restaurant robbery in which the robbers aren’t actively shooting might kill innocent bystanders. Thus they shouldn’t be stopped. Police chases of stolen cars might endanger innocents: they should not be allowed.

But grabbing territory is a different story. It means not only loss of land but loss of people who do not want to be lost. When the armed foreign Russian-led gang took over parts of Donbas they did not have unanimously (nor even majority) support from the generally passive local population. They arrested the elected mayor of Sloviansk, they murdered several locals who had opposed them.

So what if the squatters who took a piece of your land also took one of your kids. Would you give that kid up in order to prevent the risk of killing even more people by not acquiescing to the squatters’ blackmail and instead trying to use force to evict them?

And what if those squatters demand not only the corner they had taken but claimed half of your property and more if your kids? The Donbas rebels and their Russian leaders claimed half of Ukraine. If Kiev had not fought them in Donbas you think they would have stopped on their own there?

But more importantly for the question at hand, if a large part of my community wanted to secede from Utah or even from the US, I would oppose the idea but if they were totally adamant, I would find that the most civilized solution would be to let the people decide in a free vote. Never to bomb the hell out of the secessionists

You conveniently forget that Kiev wasn’t bombing Donbas because a large part of that community wanted to secede, it bombed because there was an armed violent rebellion led in large part by foreign citizens of a hostile state, armed by that state, in which Ukrainian soldiers and activists were being killed by the rebels.

So do not imply that Kiev was simply bombing peaceful local people because they wanted to secede. That’s a lie that Russians use to justify their invasion.

The presence or absence of any foreign adventurers would be immaterial to this basic preference.

It was more then mere presence. It was led and set up by the foreigners. The first military leader was a Russian colonel. The first prime minister of the Donetsk republic was a Russian citizen born in Moscow. One of his 2 deputy PM’s was a Russian citizen originally from Latvia (?) who had previously set up the Transnistria republic.

So to repeat a specific and matching scenario: if Mexican government agents and an armed gang from Mexico took over (with the participation of local Mexicans who initially played a subordinate role) government buildings, arms depots, killed American soldiers and some patriotic American civilians who resisted, and then took parts of Utah or Arizona:

1. You think the US government would let them keep it and enter into negotiations rather than risk civilian life?

2. Would you oppose the US government from fighting these foreign adventurers and rebels? You think the foreigners and rebels should be allowed to keep the lands with a couple million people rather than risk the lives of a few thousand civilians?

Please answer both questions. I am curious if you would make the same demands of the US as you make of Ukraine.

And right there I have just answered all convoluted scenarios

You may call it convoluted but reality is complicated.

because that would encourage more and more squatting and theft. We see that in California which decriminalized shoplifting

Speaking of which, check out this boss: Sikhs prove useful for something (Skip to last 20 seconds if eager to see some action.)

I don’t. Beckow keeps lying that prior to the Russian invasion Ukraine killed 3,000 civilians. According to the UN, 3k was the total number killed by both sides. About 80% were killed by Kiev. That’s 2400.

So, are you saying 2,400 dead is acceptable? While 3,000 dead is not? If both 3,000 and 2,400 are unacceptable levels of ethnic cleansing, what do you hope to win with near histrionic belaboring of this very minor point?

Why do you passionately believe in UN exactitude? Given UN competency, the number is almost certainly neither 3,000 nor 2,400. Probably, it is much higher. Only some of the ethnic cleansing of Russians by Kiev was done with undeniably obvious, UN observable, means such as artillery.

PEACE 😇

It is best to ignore your mad ravings fed by what’s seems an almost pathological hatred of anything “Russian” (you may need help). Google the UN reports on 3k Donbas civilians killed, you know how to “google”, do you? In any case, discussing a known fact that you for emotional reasons want to dispute is pointless.

Your shallow bs about SA is almost as bad, who the f..k cares about rand or nukes when the country is 85% black? What difference does that make? You only display your infantile dorky worldview.

…they should have done was broken up the country.

The single valid point you made, I agree. But they had to do it earlier – at least a generation before the Africans flooded large cities as cheap labor. In 1950 when they instituted apartheid they should had instead redo the borders and allowed a creation of African states. They would have kept Cape Town, Joburg and a few other areas.

They were bad in math and didn’t do it. Instead they chose a slow suicide while killing a lot of blacks. The Anglo-Western greedy fanatics always do it: try to control everything and also have the cheapest possible labor. Over time that destroys societies.

Ukies are slightly different – they enjoy hard labor from what I have seen – but they also over-reached. Their choices were a normal, neutral and federal Ukraine in 1991 borders or a smaller Western-allied Ukraine in the center-west. But they wanted it all – 100% Ukie and armed to the teeth by Nato – against whom do you think? Bolivia? Now they suffer the consequences.

Probably Trudeau getting a divorce is just a prelude to him formally transitioning.

In other Canadian news, conserva-thot Lauren Southern has gotten divorced. Now that she is a single mom, Sher Singh will probably make his move.

America has neither prestige nor national interest at stake.

As NATO’s leading power, it has no national interest at stake?

As the world’s leader as a democracy it has no prestige at stake?

You must have ramped up the quality of the glue that you’re sniffing these days. Go back to playing with your joystick in your isolationist little world kremlinstoogeA123.

So, are you saying 2,400 dead is acceptable? While 3,000 dead is not? If both 3,000 and 2,400 are unacceptable levels of ethnic cleansing

Who said anything about ethnic cleansing? If that were the goal, Ukraine would have killed 10,000s, like Russia does. Russia has been ethnically cleansing eastern Ukraine since 2022, doing the Banderists’ work for them.

Russia sent military leaders, soldiers and arms into Ukraine in order to start a civil war, killing Ukrainian soldiers and local patriots. Ukraine responded by using armed force, following the precedent set by Russia in how it handled the Chechen rebellion but doing so in a much less deadly way for civilians.

I’ll ask you the same questions I asked Mikel:

If Mexican government agents and an armed gang from Mexico took over (with the participation of local Mexicans who initially played a subordinate role) government buildings, arms depots, killed American soldiers and some patriotic American civilians who resisted, and then took parts of Utah or Arizona:

1. You think the US government would let them keep it and enter into negotiations rather than risk civilian life?

2. Would you oppose the US government from fighting these foreign adventurers and local rebels? You think the foreigners and rebels should be allowed to keep the lands with a couple million people rather than risk the lives of a few thousand civilians?

Please answer both questions. I am curious if you would make the same demands of the US as you make of Ukraine.

Heard that one of the current Star Trek shows did a musical episode. At this point, I suspect the shows are worse than the rather terrible fan productions. Or some of them, at any rate.
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Instead of blowing all that money on a Star Wars hotel, Disney should have opened a zombie theme park in Haiti.

If Italians had access to alien technology, as alleged by some whistleblower to Congress, why did they perform so poorly in WW2?

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2023/08/02/vatican-helped-cover-up-partially-intact-ufo-in-italy-claims-ex-air-force-officer/

I don’t think ethnic cleansing’s the right word. Generally, to ethnically cleanse an area, you need to be in control of it. Eg like Israel did when they took control of Palestine and cleansed it of some 600,000-700,000 Arabs. Ukraine hasn’t had control of the Donbas.

…it can’t possibly be racism. Not in the West. Who regards Sharapova or Kournikova as racially inferior?

It is a common feature of racists – I can’t think of a better term – to want the best looking young women from the hated group. (Anglo freaks will also make an exception for some men, that’s the way they often turn.)

That is consistent with hatred for a tribe – it has a biological basis. But I agree that with “Russia is the devil!!!” it is less physical and more simply greed for resources and deep resentment: as the Western cities decline into filth and Third-World look-and-feel, the fact that Russia got better became unbearable for many. Again.

There is also the centuries old mythology in the West based on hating the similar outsider who can threaten them, it started with Byzantium, it was moved on to Russia, etc…interestingly even Turkey is often perceived the same way. For Anglos it was previously France, Spain and Germany, even Scots and Irish (“the Fenian scum” of British history).

The question is how far are they going to go in actualizing this deep hatred. As long as Ukies are willing to put up the bodies it is costs the West almost nothing, but if that ends, what? One thing the Western elite doesn’t do is admit an error – it would require consequences and they couldn’t have that. One of the more interesting feature of the West in the last generation is an almost complete absence of suffering any consequences for the inner elite – quite unusual by history standards. It is also not very healthy.

the Catalonia referendum (no joking, the Spanish media accused Putin of being behind the Catalan independence movement).

Yeah, but that one was Putin personally – in 1999 he was seen in Spain (there are pictures!), and we know that he was a spy in his youth. He run the Catalan movement – notice how when he got busy in Ukraine it ended. Plus the obvious Cuba angle. Enough said…

Perhaps they used it to perfect gelato? Priorities matter.