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Here’s a new Open Thread for all of you. To minimize the load, please continue to limit your Tweets or place them under a MORE tag.

Meanwhile, I’d also recommend a couple of my recent pieces, one on Race/IQ and the other on the new revelations regarding the origins of Covid:

https://www.unz.com/runz/the-forbidden-topic-race-and-iq/

https://www.unz.com/runz/secret-intelligence-leaks-vs-basic-common-sense/

On the latter point, I’d recommend watching this Tucker Carlson interview with RFK Jr.:

And I’d strongly recommend this Jeffrey Sachs interview from a couple of days ago:

 
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  1. Peter Zeihan may not have the academic credentials of the thoroughly discredited Jeffery Sachs. However, Zeihan does have a better track record of accuracy. (1)

    • Product that was normally produced for export from China is now being locked up within the Chinese system at the same time that the population is purchasing less. You have an oversupply of goods and an under demand, both at home and abroad. With all those extra goods prices go down, and you get deflation.”

    • “The Chinese economic system isn’t really based on exports or consumption, it’s based on investment, the idea that the state fosters mass borrowing in order to build industrial plant infrastructure. Based on whose numbers you’re using, those are somewhere between 40-70% of the entirety of the Chinese economy, and has generated the vast majority of economic growth.”

    • “You can only do that for so long. Eventually you don’t need any more bridges, or any more factories, and I would argue the Chinese reached that point before Covid. Again, there’s been this three, four year lag between reality and the data finally manifesting.”
    More spending won’t help.

    It is also important to note that gradual decoupling from CCP goods is NOT inflationary. (2)

    New Trade Analysis Shows Longevity of President Trump’s Tariffs Diminishing Chinese Imports – China fell from 21.6% of U.S. imports in 2017 to 16.5% in 2022

    New analysis of the long-term impact from Section 301 tariffs triggered by President Trump against China, shows just how consequential economic nationalism can become.

    Our own analysis of U.S. consumer prices in 2019 showed that prices of imported goods actually declined despite the tariffs. A recent report from CPA takes a look at the impact to Chinese exports to the U.S. Bottom line, the tariffs worked to reduce Chinese imports.

    With the leading opponent to President Trump, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, not supporting tariffs on behalf of the multinationals and Club for Growth donors who stand behind him, it’s worth revisiting the actual outcome to American consumers to dispel the popular myths about tariffs raising prices here at home.

    Most of the analysis is, for obvious reasons, looking at data before the CCP lost control of their WUHAN-19 virus. There are more detailed statistics in the article.

    Did CCP officials intentionally release the virus to cover up their own poor economic performance? That is much more plausible than a shady international conspiracy. All it takes is an idiot with more authority than competence. Plus, an easily cowed workforce trained to blindly obey government/party authority.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=55592

    (2) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/07/01/new-trade-analysis-shows-longevity-of-president-trumps-tariffs-diminishing-chinese-imports-china-fell-from-21-6-of-u-s-imports-in-2017-to-16-5-in-2022/

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • LOL: Sean
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @A123

    On some issues. On Russia related matters of recent note, Zeihan isn't.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123

    Zeihan is Lockheed Boeing whore. Your comment is idiotic.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Wokechoke
    @A123

    This is grasping at straws.

    The Chinks are back after 300 years of hurt.

  2. @A123
    Peter Zeihan may not have the academic credentials of the thoroughly discredited Jeffery Sachs. However, Zeihan does have a better track record of accuracy. (1)


    https://youtu.be/A9-wfHgjTB8

    • Product that was normally produced for export from China is now being locked up within the Chinese system at the same time that the population is purchasing less. You have an oversupply of goods and an under demand, both at home and abroad. With all those extra goods prices go down, and you get deflation.”

    • “The Chinese economic system isn’t really based on exports or consumption, it’s based on investment, the idea that the state fosters mass borrowing in order to build industrial plant infrastructure. Based on whose numbers you’re using, those are somewhere between 40-70% of the entirety of the Chinese economy, and has generated the vast majority of economic growth.”

    • “You can only do that for so long. Eventually you don’t need any more bridges, or any more factories, and I would argue the Chinese reached that point before Covid. Again, there’s been this three, four year lag between reality and the data finally manifesting.”
    More spending won’t help.
     
    It is also important to note that gradual decoupling from CCP goods is NOT inflationary. (2)

    New Trade Analysis Shows Longevity of President Trump’s Tariffs Diminishing Chinese Imports – China fell from 21.6% of U.S. imports in 2017 to 16.5% in 2022

     

    New analysis of the long-term impact from Section 301 tariffs triggered by President Trump against China, shows just how consequential economic nationalism can become.

    Our own analysis of U.S. consumer prices in 2019 showed that prices of imported goods actually declined despite the tariffs. A recent report from CPA takes a look at the impact to Chinese exports to the U.S. Bottom line, the tariffs worked to reduce Chinese imports.

    With the leading opponent to President Trump, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, not supporting tariffs on behalf of the multinationals and Club for Growth donors who stand behind him, it’s worth revisiting the actual outcome to American consumers to dispel the popular myths about tariffs raising prices here at home.
     
    Most of the analysis is, for obvious reasons, looking at data before the CCP lost control of their WUHAN-19 virus. There are more detailed statistics in the article.

    Did CCP officials intentionally release the virus to cover up their own poor economic performance? That is much more plausible than a shady international conspiracy. All it takes is an idiot with more authority than competence. Plus, an easily cowed workforce trained to blindly obey government/party authority.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=55592

    (2) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/07/01/new-trade-analysis-shows-longevity-of-president-trumps-tariffs-diminishing-chinese-imports-china-fell-from-21-6-of-u-s-imports-in-2017-to-16-5-in-2022/

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Wokechoke

    On some issues. On Russia related matters of recent note, Zeihan isn’t.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikhail


    On some issues. On Russia related matters of recent note, Zeihan isn’t.
     
    It would be better if Zeihan "stuck to his lane". His expertise are commercial technology and Asia. The further he gets away from those topics the more likely he is to stumble into error.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

  3. • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    That's a fascinating lineup of known Putin supporters that are here to give us the weekly report on how Russia moving backwards is actually forward progress.

    The Ukrainians have actually pushed far enough to where they can attack remaining Crimean supply lines with artillery:

    https://youtu.be/YcgK4eNnOXM?t=17

    Oh and Alexander Mercouris is a disbarred lawyer who was caught engaging in fraud:
    https://www.legalcheek.com/2017/07/barrister-who-was-disbarred-after-forging-lady-hale-letter-sued-for-200000-by-ex-client/

    He has since switched to bootin' for Putin.

    Putin really attracts some quality defenders.

    A convicted sex offender, a disbarred lawyer, and of course Steven Seagal.

    Just a dream team line up to defend a mass murdering dwarf.

    Oh and we could add Anglin, a self-described White nationalist who openly hates White women and fled to Asia after being ordered to pay restitution over harassing a small town Jew in a completely pointless and stupid case.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  4. Here is the most recent poll showing Trump’s strength with independents (1).

    If you go into the cross tabs for INDEPENDENTS only:

    Trump — 35.1%
    Biden — 29.7%
    Cornell West — 6.9%
    Undecided — 28.3%

    Really it is too early for these numbers to be particularly meaningful. However, it debunks the obviously bogus claim that Trump is unappealing to moderate swing voters. They are clearly up for grabs. Trump has a great deal of time to improve his popularity further.

    At some point, the DNC will have to stop hiding the Veggie-in-Chief away from the public. So, there is a highly likely Democrat down side when the gaffes start flowing like manna.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://emersoncollegepolling.com/august-2023-national-poll-trump-debate-snub-may-open-door-for-other-candidates/

  5. @A123
    Peter Zeihan may not have the academic credentials of the thoroughly discredited Jeffery Sachs. However, Zeihan does have a better track record of accuracy. (1)


    https://youtu.be/A9-wfHgjTB8

    • Product that was normally produced for export from China is now being locked up within the Chinese system at the same time that the population is purchasing less. You have an oversupply of goods and an under demand, both at home and abroad. With all those extra goods prices go down, and you get deflation.”

    • “The Chinese economic system isn’t really based on exports or consumption, it’s based on investment, the idea that the state fosters mass borrowing in order to build industrial plant infrastructure. Based on whose numbers you’re using, those are somewhere between 40-70% of the entirety of the Chinese economy, and has generated the vast majority of economic growth.”

    • “You can only do that for so long. Eventually you don’t need any more bridges, or any more factories, and I would argue the Chinese reached that point before Covid. Again, there’s been this three, four year lag between reality and the data finally manifesting.”
    More spending won’t help.
     
    It is also important to note that gradual decoupling from CCP goods is NOT inflationary. (2)

    New Trade Analysis Shows Longevity of President Trump’s Tariffs Diminishing Chinese Imports – China fell from 21.6% of U.S. imports in 2017 to 16.5% in 2022

     

    New analysis of the long-term impact from Section 301 tariffs triggered by President Trump against China, shows just how consequential economic nationalism can become.

    Our own analysis of U.S. consumer prices in 2019 showed that prices of imported goods actually declined despite the tariffs. A recent report from CPA takes a look at the impact to Chinese exports to the U.S. Bottom line, the tariffs worked to reduce Chinese imports.

    With the leading opponent to President Trump, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, not supporting tariffs on behalf of the multinationals and Club for Growth donors who stand behind him, it’s worth revisiting the actual outcome to American consumers to dispel the popular myths about tariffs raising prices here at home.
     
    Most of the analysis is, for obvious reasons, looking at data before the CCP lost control of their WUHAN-19 virus. There are more detailed statistics in the article.

    Did CCP officials intentionally release the virus to cover up their own poor economic performance? That is much more plausible than a shady international conspiracy. All it takes is an idiot with more authority than competence. Plus, an easily cowed workforce trained to blindly obey government/party authority.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=55592

    (2) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/07/01/new-trade-analysis-shows-longevity-of-president-trumps-tariffs-diminishing-chinese-imports-china-fell-from-21-6-of-u-s-imports-in-2017-to-16-5-in-2022/

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Wokechoke

    Zeihan is Lockheed Boeing whore. Your comment is idiotic.

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The CCP buys Boeing: (1)


    China Southern Airlines Co. Ltd. is the likely customer to take delivery of the first Max upon resumption, he said.

    As of the end of July, Boeing has 118 unfilled Max orders all destined for China, 34 of which are for China Southern. Boeing also has orders for 25 777 widebody jets as well as as 11 787 “Dreamliner” from Chinese airlines, Herbert said.

     

    Your comment is lobotomite gibbering.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/boeing-s-737-max-sales-to-china-is-a-significant-positive-for-jet-maker/ar-AA1fMG56
  6. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123

    Zeihan is Lockheed Boeing whore. Your comment is idiotic.

    Replies: @A123

    The CCP buys Boeing: (1)

    China Southern Airlines Co. Ltd. is the likely customer to take delivery of the first Max upon resumption, he said.

    As of the end of July, Boeing has 118 unfilled Max orders all destined for China, 34 of which are for China Southern. Boeing also has orders for 25 777 widebody jets as well as as 11 787 “Dreamliner” from Chinese airlines, Herbert said.

    Your comment is lobotomite gibbering.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/boeing-s-737-max-sales-to-china-is-a-significant-positive-for-jet-maker/ar-AA1fMG56

  7. @Mikhail
    @A123

    On some issues. On Russia related matters of recent note, Zeihan isn't.

    Replies: @A123

    On some issues. On Russia related matters of recent note, Zeihan isn’t.

    It would be better if Zeihan “stuck to his lane”. His expertise are commercial technology and Asia. The further he gets away from those topics the more likely he is to stumble into error.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    Zeihan strikes me as one of the biggest Gen-X blowhards I have ever listed to [I haven't listened to your link yet]. To be fair I have scrupulously avoided TED talks as tempting as they may be. Some initial comments Zeihan has made in past talks were sensible but after a while the big picture seemed so far off I felt dirty :(

  8. Iraqi Information Minister reviews
    Forbidden Science 5; the journals of Jacques Vallee 2000-2009
    Anomalist Books, 2023, 562 pages

    If you would like one book which encapsulates everything important in UFO’s currently in the newspapers and on the television and on the internet news, you cannot do better than this book. There are no reliable narrators in this subject, but Jacques Vallee is the least unreliable. He has first hand reports on all the major issues. In order of importance:

    1. The Advanced Aerospace Weapons Program. This was a program funded by the U. S. Government beginning in 2008. Multiple tens millions dollars funding and contracted out to credentialed civilian research scientists. The instigator was Senator Harry Reid of Nevada. The chief manager was Harry Reid’s long time personal friend and rich campaign donor Robert Bigelow. The technical lead was Colm Kelleher who previously supervised Bigelow’s private research effort at Skinwalker Ranch. Vallee was involved from day one, intermittently, with limited enthusiasm. Much of the subject was classified top secret government data controlled by intelligence officers who have burned Jacques Vallee on previous occasions countless times. For the bad faith behavior of these maximally unreliable individuals see the previous four volumes of Vallee’s journals.

    2. The tic tac Nimitz incident. Covered ad nauseum in other outlets but Vallee knew about it as soon as anybody who wasn’t there. One of the pilots was subsequently employed by Bigelow in the 2008-? project. Doug Kerth. This episode is short and not conclusive.

    3. The Wilson-Davis memo leak of the century. Richard Dolan’s terminology. Vallee just calls it the Wilson-Davis memo. There is a memo that was written by Eric Davis quoting an interview with former DIA head Thomas Wilson reporting a conversation with an anonymous civilian defense contractor manager from an unnamed civilian defense contractor claiming he knew of a recovered space ship “clearly not of this earth and not made by human hands” the contractor is working to reverse engineer. This is supposedly worthy of much fuss but Vallee is not impressed. Davis from Wilson from closest hand is at minimum third hand information.

    This is utterly worthless and if Dolan really believes it is the leak of the century we ain’t doing that hot.

    _______________________________________________________________________

    There is a bunch of other great information in the book padded with the mundane details of Vallee’s life. His wife died in January 2010 from glioblastoma. This is 100% terminal and takes you out quick. It is not known as Ted Kennedy’s disease but it was the last disease of Ted Kennedy.

    The physical reality of a transcendent unknown cannot yet be formulated into a scientific statement that makes sense.

    p. 415

    Anybody says otherwise is mistaken. Unless they are a government spook. In which case they are more likely lying their ass off.

    A huge batch of government reports went into a landfill when they went to computer files. The single best data base of every incident report ever anywhere on earth is probably Vallee’s. With the caveat that he only has investigated or credited reports where stuff was visible up in the sky or on the ground to somebody. If an alien comes into Whitley Strieber’s bedroom in the middle of the night and telepaths great dope into his mind, that is not something that Vallee takes note of. Nothing on the huge abductee contactee population with no UFO attached. So, nothing on the CIA officer (there are actually two) who reports he was visited.

  9. I don’t believe that Prigozhin faked his own death, but just to use it as a springboard… I wonder how difficult it would be to seed human remains with your own DNA, such that the bog standard forensics tests would identify the corpse as you.

    I’m thinking it might possible with a skeleton, but difficult with a cadaver.

    • Replies: @(((They))) Live
    @songbird

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnS20_YwBF4


    Prigozhin is still alive, thats how he did it

    Replies: @QCIC, @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Wokechoke
    @songbird

    That’s one dead Jew.

  10. @songbird
    I don't believe that Prigozhin faked his own death, but just to use it as a springboard... I wonder how difficult it would be to seed human remains with your own DNA, such that the bog standard forensics tests would identify the corpse as you.

    I'm thinking it might possible with a skeleton, but difficult with a cadaver.

    Replies: @(((They))) Live, @Wokechoke

    Prigozhin is still alive, thats how he did it

    • LOL: songbird
    • Replies: @QCIC
    @(((They))) Live

    There is no reason to believe DNA test results in this intrigue-filled scenario. Could it be true? Sure. Could they fool us? Duh.



    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/epic-drug-lab-scandal-results-more-20-000-convictions-dropped-n747891

    Someone needs fake DNA test results. Prigozhin says "I know a guy" which probably sounds way cooler in Russian.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @(((They))) Live

    Now is not the time for fear!

    That comes later.

  11. @A123
    @Mikhail


    On some issues. On Russia related matters of recent note, Zeihan isn’t.
     
    It would be better if Zeihan "stuck to his lane". His expertise are commercial technology and Asia. The further he gets away from those topics the more likely he is to stumble into error.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @QCIC

    Zeihan strikes me as one of the biggest Gen-X blowhards I have ever listed to [I haven’t listened to your link yet]. To be fair I have scrupulously avoided TED talks as tempting as they may be. Some initial comments Zeihan has made in past talks were sensible but after a while the big picture seemed so far off I felt dirty 🙁

  12. @(((They))) Live
    @songbird

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnS20_YwBF4


    Prigozhin is still alive, thats how he did it

    Replies: @QCIC, @Emil Nikola Richard

    There is no reason to believe DNA test results in this intrigue-filled scenario. Could it be true? Sure. Could they fool us? Duh.

    [MORE]

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/epic-drug-lab-scandal-results-more-20-000-convictions-dropped-n747891

    Someone needs fake DNA test results. Prigozhin says “I know a guy” which probably sounds way cooler in Russian.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @QCIC

    A hypothetical fake death of Prigozhin, would be a story like in some of the famous mafia films. For example, the story of the film "Once Upon in America".

    However, I'm not sure it would be too easy for him to hide after as he was one of the most famous celebrities in the world. In Russia or Belarus people would probably immediately identify him if he goes out. Probably even in Miami.

    He would need at least somewhere few people follow about the war in Ukraine, which might not be so many parts of the world. Maybe some distant parts of Africa or Latin America.

    Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson

  13. @(((They))) Live
    @songbird

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnS20_YwBF4


    Prigozhin is still alive, thats how he did it

    Replies: @QCIC, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Now is not the time for fear!

    That comes later.

  14. What if China decides to transition from quantity to quality? Maybe they would turn their back on the Western world and let things catch up after the frenzied growth and prosperity of the past 30 years. What do they really need? Food and energy plus a few other things. Maybe they just need to produce enough to support the basics in terms of imports and exports and stay focussed on internal prosperity. In a productive sense they already have too much of almost everything. Maybe they need to prune a lot of the businesses they don’t need and go to the 30 hour work week, leaving more time for health, welfare and intellectual and spiritual pursuits. They have a lot of billionaires but the CPC can just tell them to go up the country if they don’t like it.

    If they keep increasing productivity it seems they may soon get to the point of having to give stuff away and then why bother?

    For energy maybe they should just clone Starship and put up solar power satellites.

    • Replies: @Adept
    @QCIC


    What if China decides to transition from quantity to quality?
     
    If you were in the market for industrial equipment 15 or 20 years ago, there was a trade-off: Chinese stuff was cheap and abundant but didn't perform as well, or as reliably, as what you could get from Japan or Europe. (Even then, America wasn't in the running.) Today, Chinese goods are not only still cheaper, they're also better in most cases.

    As a general rule: If you do high-volume manufacturing for long enough, and you stay in business and remain profitable for long enough, process improvements will eventually catch-up with you, and quality will improve.

    When it comes to making cars, the Chinese are no slouches, either. See:
    https://sundries.com.ua/en/the-most-reliable-chinese-car-brands-have-been-named/

    Chinese brands compare very well on reliability with global and American brands. And when it comes to electric car reliability, Tesla is trounced by many Chinese firms.

    This "Chinese = low quality" meme is out of date and doesn't really reflect reality.

    Replies: @Sean, @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Dmitry
    @QCIC

    There are some better quality brands or products in some areas from China nowadays.

    The issue with middle income trap, is it even possible to transfer a significant part of the manufacturing to a more labor cost invariant areas.

    Also China is a very large economy, so this could be more difficult than for smaller countries, because probably most of the manufacturing in the world is labor cost variant and China's advantage is a low cost of labor. So, would there be enough demand in the world economy for the labor cost invariant manufacturing for a country as large as China to escape middle income trap.

  15. Ben Hodges on RT

    Re: https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/581941-ben-hodges-nato-proxy-war/

    The interviewer Afshin Rattansi, is a very good journalist, but not a military analyst (I can think of a few) who’d do an even better job at challenging the anti-Russian/pro-Kiev regime shill, who is on record for saying that the Kiev regime will retake Crimea by the end of this year – something not mentioned on this show.

    When the OSCE was brought up, no mention that said org noted an increase in Kiev regime firings on Donbass rebel territory in the weeks leading up to the start of Russia’s special military operation.

    Ben Hodges’ “Russia’s war against Ukraine” characterization isn’t as accurate as NATO’s proxy war against Russia. Russia patiently waited seven years for the Minsk Accords to be honored. The Kiev regime acknowledged it didn’t intend to honor the UN approved settlement plan. NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg said that a war situation was evident on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR, in the years prior to 2022, with NATO arming and training the Kiev regime.

    Russia was content with a neutral Ukraine within its Communist drawn boundary. The Kiev regime’s persecution of a long-standing Ukrainian church, while allowing other churches to honor Stepan Bandera, is one of many examples of what the likes of Hodges choose to ignore.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Mikhail

    Hodges predicted that Russian invasion would not work. I think he is correct that the US could give Ukraine sufficient arm for them to win the war, but it is wishful thinking by him to assume Russia would probably not resort to nuclear weapon in order to stave off such a defeat.

    There were hegemonic dynamics on both sides in the run up to the invasion. Russia had relied on the threat of invasion to make Ukraine abide by the Russian interpretation of Minsk, but the level of US arms supply and training had all but removed that wedge by late 2021. So Russia decided it was now or never.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail

    , @QCIC
    @Mikhail

    Interesting interview, thanks for posting.

    To me the conversation played like a job interview for Hodges which he passed with flying colors.

    I am sympathetic to the notion that Hodges had an active role in planning this entire Ukraine mess.

    He seems like a late cold warrior who never learned the big lessons of that conflict and does not weight the risks of nuclear conflict correctly. I think he is extremely dangerous.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  16. @QCIC
    What if China decides to transition from quantity to quality? Maybe they would turn their back on the Western world and let things catch up after the frenzied growth and prosperity of the past 30 years. What do they really need? Food and energy plus a few other things. Maybe they just need to produce enough to support the basics in terms of imports and exports and stay focussed on internal prosperity. In a productive sense they already have too much of almost everything. Maybe they need to prune a lot of the businesses they don't need and go to the 30 hour work week, leaving more time for health, welfare and intellectual and spiritual pursuits. They have a lot of billionaires but the CPC can just tell them to go up the country if they don't like it.

    If they keep increasing productivity it seems they may soon get to the point of having to give stuff away and then why bother?

    For energy maybe they should just clone Starship and put up solar power satellites.

    Replies: @Adept, @Dmitry

    What if China decides to transition from quantity to quality?

    If you were in the market for industrial equipment 15 or 20 years ago, there was a trade-off: Chinese stuff was cheap and abundant but didn’t perform as well, or as reliably, as what you could get from Japan or Europe. (Even then, America wasn’t in the running.) Today, Chinese goods are not only still cheaper, they’re also better in most cases.

    As a general rule: If you do high-volume manufacturing for long enough, and you stay in business and remain profitable for long enough, process improvements will eventually catch-up with you, and quality will improve.

    When it comes to making cars, the Chinese are no slouches, either. See:
    https://sundries.com.ua/en/the-most-reliable-chinese-car-brands-have-been-named/

    Chinese brands compare very well on reliability with global and American brands. And when it comes to electric car reliability, Tesla is trounced by many Chinese firms.

    This “Chinese = low quality” meme is out of date and doesn’t really reflect reality.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Adept

    Yes, and in a couple of decades China will have worked out how to make things that will be on the cutting edge. The US sanctions against China are a huge impetus for it developing its own productive capacity for such state of the art advanced products. So America is in effect getting China into those businesses.

    Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Adept

    When do the Chinks win the Indianapolis 500?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  17. @Mikhail
    Ben Hodges on RT

    Re: https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/581941-ben-hodges-nato-proxy-war/

    The interviewer Afshin Rattansi, is a very good journalist, but not a military analyst (I can think of a few) who'd do an even better job at challenging the anti-Russian/pro-Kiev regime shill, who is on record for saying that the Kiev regime will retake Crimea by the end of this year - something not mentioned on this show.

    When the OSCE was brought up, no mention that said org noted an increase in Kiev regime firings on Donbass rebel territory in the weeks leading up to the start of Russia's special military operation.

    Ben Hodges' "Russia's war against Ukraine" characterization isn't as accurate as NATO's proxy war against Russia. Russia patiently waited seven years for the Minsk Accords to be honored. The Kiev regime acknowledged it didn't intend to honor the UN approved settlement plan. NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg said that a war situation was evident on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR, in the years prior to 2022, with NATO arming and training the Kiev regime.

    Russia was content with a neutral Ukraine within its Communist drawn boundary. The Kiev regime's persecution of a long-standing Ukrainian church, while allowing other churches to honor Stepan Bandera, is one of many examples of what the likes of Hodges choose to ignore.

    Replies: @Sean, @QCIC

    Hodges predicted that Russian invasion would not work. I think he is correct that the US could give Ukraine sufficient arm for them to win the war, but it is wishful thinking by him to assume Russia would probably not resort to nuclear weapon in order to stave off such a defeat.

    There were hegemonic dynamics on both sides in the run up to the invasion. Russia had relied on the threat of invasion to make Ukraine abide by the Russian interpretation of Minsk, but the level of US arms supply and training had all but removed that wedge by late 2021. So Russia decided it was now or never.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Sean


    Russia had relied on the threat of invasion to make Ukraine abide by the Russian interpretation of Minsk, but the level of US arms supply and training had all but removed that wedge by late 2021. So Russia decided it was now or never.
     
    What do other countries do to make the side that signs a treaty after losing a war and refuses to fulfill it? Don't they also use a "threat of invasion"?

    Kiev lost the war against Donbas in 2014-15 and signed Minsk to get out of the total defeat. There is no "Russian interpretation of Minsk" - it is 1-page treaty that Donbas gets an autonomy within Ukraine. Kiev simply refused to implement it and instead armed heavily with Nato.

    None of that matters now: winner of the war will dictate the settlement. The odds are Russia will win and the peace treaty will be an order of magnitude worse for Kiev than Minsk would be.

    The question is not whether Hodges is a gambler and a fool. The question is why would rational people in Kiev provoke a war they can't win? Hodges plays with others' chips, so he ultimately doesn't care - but Ukies are dying for this bet, and their country is slowly being destroyed.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mikhail
    @Sean


    Hodges predicted that Russian invasion would not work. I think he is correct that the US could give Ukraine sufficient arm for them to win the war, but it is wishful thinking by him to assume Russia would probably not resort to nuclear weapon in order to stave off such a defeat.

    There were hegemonic dynamics on both sides in the run up to the invasion. Russia had relied on the threat of invasion to make Ukraine abide by the Russian interpretation of Minsk, but the level of US arms supply and training had all but removed that wedge by late 2021. So Russia decided it was now or never.

     

    Hodges predicted that the Kiev regime will take Crimea by the end of this year.

    The Kiev regime can't win on account of it having no substantive arms producing capacity combined with its comparative (to Russia) limit in having armed personnel, especially in a war of attrition where it's losing badly. In addition, the collective West is only able to provide a limited amount of arms to the Kiev regime.

    Based on numerous accounts, a deal could've very well have been reached at the Istanbul March 2022 talks, which were nixed on account of neocon-neolib Anglo-American meddling.

    That mischief making prolongs the agony, well short of a Kiev regime victory.

  18. @Adept
    @QCIC


    What if China decides to transition from quantity to quality?
     
    If you were in the market for industrial equipment 15 or 20 years ago, there was a trade-off: Chinese stuff was cheap and abundant but didn't perform as well, or as reliably, as what you could get from Japan or Europe. (Even then, America wasn't in the running.) Today, Chinese goods are not only still cheaper, they're also better in most cases.

    As a general rule: If you do high-volume manufacturing for long enough, and you stay in business and remain profitable for long enough, process improvements will eventually catch-up with you, and quality will improve.

    When it comes to making cars, the Chinese are no slouches, either. See:
    https://sundries.com.ua/en/the-most-reliable-chinese-car-brands-have-been-named/

    Chinese brands compare very well on reliability with global and American brands. And when it comes to electric car reliability, Tesla is trounced by many Chinese firms.

    This "Chinese = low quality" meme is out of date and doesn't really reflect reality.

    Replies: @Sean, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Yes, and in a couple of decades China will have worked out how to make things that will be on the cutting edge. The US sanctions against China are a huge impetus for it developing its own productive capacity for such state of the art advanced products. So America is in effect getting China into those businesses.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Sean

    This is close to what I meant, a future China focussing more on high-end products like Switzerland or Germany. Higher value added. Fewer workers, smaller factories, more automation.

    China still makes a lot of junk.

    Many Chinese products have lots of features but have also been cost engineered to the bare minimum of reliability. Admittedly some of the design process involves Western engineers and management. These people are descendants of the idiots who killed Detroit.

    , @John Johnson
    @Sean

    Yes, and in a couple of decades China will have worked out how to make things that will be on the cutting edge.

    China was actually supposed to dominate both the US electric vehicle and compact auto market by now if we go by past predictions. How many Chinese auto lots have you seen?

    They were also supposed to overtake the Japanese and Koreans in electronics.

    Year of the Chinese and End of the Dollar predictions are made every single year.

    Good luck to this year's contenders.

    Replies: @Adept, @Sean

  19. @Adept
    @QCIC


    What if China decides to transition from quantity to quality?
     
    If you were in the market for industrial equipment 15 or 20 years ago, there was a trade-off: Chinese stuff was cheap and abundant but didn't perform as well, or as reliably, as what you could get from Japan or Europe. (Even then, America wasn't in the running.) Today, Chinese goods are not only still cheaper, they're also better in most cases.

    As a general rule: If you do high-volume manufacturing for long enough, and you stay in business and remain profitable for long enough, process improvements will eventually catch-up with you, and quality will improve.

    When it comes to making cars, the Chinese are no slouches, either. See:
    https://sundries.com.ua/en/the-most-reliable-chinese-car-brands-have-been-named/

    Chinese brands compare very well on reliability with global and American brands. And when it comes to electric car reliability, Tesla is trounced by many Chinese firms.

    This "Chinese = low quality" meme is out of date and doesn't really reflect reality.

    Replies: @Sean, @Emil Nikola Richard

    When do the Chinks win the Indianapolis 500?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Does not compute. The Brits are pretty damn good at making Formula One cars, but can't make a quality car for everyman anymore (not helped by their government going electric car mad, which the Brits are even less able to make than petrol/diesel cars) without help from Nissan/Ford/GM.

    I drove a Chinese van last year, a Ford Transit "white van man" equivalent vehicle. It was pretty damn good.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxus_V90

    Half the medical kit in Brit hospitals is Chinese. Not looked at big-ticket things like MRI scanners, but the x-ray machines with "General Electric" on the side are made in China.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Dmitry

  20. @Sean
    @Adept

    Yes, and in a couple of decades China will have worked out how to make things that will be on the cutting edge. The US sanctions against China are a huge impetus for it developing its own productive capacity for such state of the art advanced products. So America is in effect getting China into those businesses.

    Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson

    This is close to what I meant, a future China focussing more on high-end products like Switzerland or Germany. Higher value added. Fewer workers, smaller factories, more automation.

    China still makes a lot of junk.

    Many Chinese products have lots of features but have also been cost engineered to the bare minimum of reliability. Admittedly some of the design process involves Western engineers and management. These people are descendants of the idiots who killed Detroit.

  21. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Adept

    When do the Chinks win the Indianapolis 500?

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    Does not compute. The Brits are pretty damn good at making Formula One cars, but can’t make a quality car for everyman anymore (not helped by their government going electric car mad, which the Brits are even less able to make than petrol/diesel cars) without help from Nissan/Ford/GM.

    I drove a Chinese van last year, a Ford Transit “white van man” equivalent vehicle. It was pretty damn good.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxus_V90

    Half the medical kit in Brit hospitals is Chinese. Not looked at big-ticket things like MRI scanners, but the x-ray machines with “General Electric” on the side are made in China.

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @YetAnotherAnon

    That van looks a lot like a Ford, maybe a little bit like a Nissan, too.

    , @Dmitry
    @YetAnotherAnon

    EVs are a lot easier to enter market, easier to build, than ICEVs. The transition to EVs means more countries' companies could enter the automobile export market.

    Tesla already showed the EV transition allows for entry to previously closed industry for new companies, as one of the first new automobile companies in America which is making profit since many years earlier.

    Even Vietnam has domestic EV companies now, with "Vin Fast".

    There was a kind of crazy hype with their stock launching this month.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIe26EBlHes

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  22. @Mikhail
    Ben Hodges on RT

    Re: https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/581941-ben-hodges-nato-proxy-war/

    The interviewer Afshin Rattansi, is a very good journalist, but not a military analyst (I can think of a few) who'd do an even better job at challenging the anti-Russian/pro-Kiev regime shill, who is on record for saying that the Kiev regime will retake Crimea by the end of this year - something not mentioned on this show.

    When the OSCE was brought up, no mention that said org noted an increase in Kiev regime firings on Donbass rebel territory in the weeks leading up to the start of Russia's special military operation.

    Ben Hodges' "Russia's war against Ukraine" characterization isn't as accurate as NATO's proxy war against Russia. Russia patiently waited seven years for the Minsk Accords to be honored. The Kiev regime acknowledged it didn't intend to honor the UN approved settlement plan. NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg said that a war situation was evident on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR, in the years prior to 2022, with NATO arming and training the Kiev regime.

    Russia was content with a neutral Ukraine within its Communist drawn boundary. The Kiev regime's persecution of a long-standing Ukrainian church, while allowing other churches to honor Stepan Bandera, is one of many examples of what the likes of Hodges choose to ignore.

    Replies: @Sean, @QCIC

    Interesting interview, thanks for posting.

    To me the conversation played like a job interview for Hodges which he passed with flying colors.

    I am sympathetic to the notion that Hodges had an active role in planning this entire Ukraine mess.

    He seems like a late cold warrior who never learned the big lessons of that conflict and does not weight the risks of nuclear conflict correctly. I think he is extremely dangerous.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @QCIC

    How someone else put it -

    It's sad to see how the general is lying about Russia, Georgia, Iraq, Syria... It's obvious he knows that he is lying. He does not have brain to understand that it's a different time now, it's not 1970 when people could not check the facts themselves. Now it's not a problem.

    Anyway, I understand why President Eisenhower did not trust the MIC and appointed a civilian to be his Secretary of Defense.

    Active military-former military versus civilian doesn't necessarily make for a good separation from the MIC. After all, Eisenhower was former military when he made that observation. Thinking of all of the neocon chicken hawks with little if any military background, willing to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @QCIC

  23. Don’t eat salad!

    [MORE]

    (At least, if it hasn’t been sufficiently irradiated.)

    BTW, it is a bit surprising to me that an Australian worm could infect a person, but I guess there are a lot of mammals there that are non-marsupial. Though, it was a snake parasite.

    We can hope that the poor woman had some significant immune deficiency that wasn’t reported.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Central Bank Digital Currency is the most exciting fear porn on the internet.

    You need to sun your balls!

  24. Had a dream last night I was in Panama. (Possibly influenced by the drought affecting the canal)

    My Spanish has sadly deteriorated due to disuse. Had trouble communicating. But I can remember just enough of a snatch of one exchange to understand, when I awoke, that at least one of my interlocutors, who I had trouble understanding, was speaking gibberish.

    Of course, for all I know, that could be exactly the sort they speak down there (never been), but probably not.

  25. @songbird
    Don't eat salad!

    https://youtu.be/fGmXD7NPftY?si=9xKoGVMLlgXW0UZz

    (At least, if it hasn't been sufficiently irradiated.)

    BTW, it is a bit surprising to me that an Australian worm could infect a person, but I guess there are a lot of mammals there that are non-marsupial. Though, it was a snake parasite.

    We can hope that the poor woman had some significant immune deficiency that wasn't reported.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Central Bank Digital Currency is the most exciting fear porn on the internet.

    You need to sun your balls!

  26. @Sean
    @Mikhail

    Hodges predicted that Russian invasion would not work. I think he is correct that the US could give Ukraine sufficient arm for them to win the war, but it is wishful thinking by him to assume Russia would probably not resort to nuclear weapon in order to stave off such a defeat.

    There were hegemonic dynamics on both sides in the run up to the invasion. Russia had relied on the threat of invasion to make Ukraine abide by the Russian interpretation of Minsk, but the level of US arms supply and training had all but removed that wedge by late 2021. So Russia decided it was now or never.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail

    Russia had relied on the threat of invasion to make Ukraine abide by the Russian interpretation of Minsk, but the level of US arms supply and training had all but removed that wedge by late 2021. So Russia decided it was now or never.

    What do other countries do to make the side that signs a treaty after losing a war and refuses to fulfill it? Don’t they also use a “threat of invasion“?

    Kiev lost the war against Donbas in 2014-15 and signed Minsk to get out of the total defeat. There is no “Russian interpretation of Minsk” – it is 1-page treaty that Donbas gets an autonomy within Ukraine. Kiev simply refused to implement it and instead armed heavily with Nato.

    None of that matters now: winner of the war will dictate the settlement. The odds are Russia will win and the peace treaty will be an order of magnitude worse for Kiev than Minsk would be.

    The question is not whether Hodges is a gambler and a fool. The question is why would rational people in Kiev provoke a war they can’t win? Hodges plays with others’ chips, so he ultimately doesn’t care – but Ukies are dying for this bet, and their country is slowly being destroyed.

    • Agree: James of Africa
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Kiev lost the war against Donbas in 2014-15 and signed Minsk to get out of the total defeat. There is no “Russian interpretation of Minsk” – it is 1-page treaty that Donbas gets an autonomy within Ukraine. Kiev simply refused to implement it and instead armed heavily with Nato.

    How would Kiev be at near total defeat in 2014-2015 if the fighting was almost entirely by militias?

    Here is the Minsk agreement and I'm not seeing anything that says Donbas gets autonomy:
    https://www.unian.info/politics/1043394-minsk-agreement-full-text-in-english.html

    Which point are you referring to?

    If the invasion is about Minsk then why didn't Russia simply move forces to the LPR/DPR lines? Why were they trying to take Kiev in a brutal invasion?

    You do acknowledge that Russia is currently fighting for territory that was not part of the Minsk agreement?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean

  27. @QCIC
    @Mikhail

    Interesting interview, thanks for posting.

    To me the conversation played like a job interview for Hodges which he passed with flying colors.

    I am sympathetic to the notion that Hodges had an active role in planning this entire Ukraine mess.

    He seems like a late cold warrior who never learned the big lessons of that conflict and does not weight the risks of nuclear conflict correctly. I think he is extremely dangerous.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    How someone else put it –

    It’s sad to see how the general is lying about Russia, Georgia, Iraq, Syria… It’s obvious he knows that he is lying. He does not have brain to understand that it’s a different time now, it’s not 1970 when people could not check the facts themselves. Now it’s not a problem.

    Anyway, I understand why President Eisenhower did not trust the MIC and appointed a civilian to be his Secretary of Defense.

    Active military-former military versus civilian doesn’t necessarily make for a good separation from the MIC. After all, Eisenhower was former military when he made that observation. Thinking of all of the neocon chicken hawks with little if any military background, willing to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mikhail

    So there's no misunderstanding, I didn't say the following which should've been italicized -

    Anyway, I understand why President Eisenhower did not trust the MIC and appointed a civilian to be his Secretary of Defense.

    , @QCIC
    @Mikhail

    I think Hodges believes in power. He strikes me as a "If you have power and don't use it, what's the point?"

    Replies: @Mikhail

  28. @Sean
    @Mikhail

    Hodges predicted that Russian invasion would not work. I think he is correct that the US could give Ukraine sufficient arm for them to win the war, but it is wishful thinking by him to assume Russia would probably not resort to nuclear weapon in order to stave off such a defeat.

    There were hegemonic dynamics on both sides in the run up to the invasion. Russia had relied on the threat of invasion to make Ukraine abide by the Russian interpretation of Minsk, but the level of US arms supply and training had all but removed that wedge by late 2021. So Russia decided it was now or never.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail

    Hodges predicted that Russian invasion would not work. I think he is correct that the US could give Ukraine sufficient arm for them to win the war, but it is wishful thinking by him to assume Russia would probably not resort to nuclear weapon in order to stave off such a defeat.

    There were hegemonic dynamics on both sides in the run up to the invasion. Russia had relied on the threat of invasion to make Ukraine abide by the Russian interpretation of Minsk, but the level of US arms supply and training had all but removed that wedge by late 2021. So Russia decided it was now or never.

    Hodges predicted that the Kiev regime will take Crimea by the end of this year.

    The Kiev regime can’t win on account of it having no substantive arms producing capacity combined with its comparative (to Russia) limit in having armed personnel, especially in a war of attrition where it’s losing badly. In addition, the collective West is only able to provide a limited amount of arms to the Kiev regime.

    Based on numerous accounts, a deal could’ve very well have been reached at the Istanbul March 2022 talks, which were nixed on account of neocon-neolib Anglo-American meddling.

    That mischief making prolongs the agony, well short of a Kiev regime victory.

  29. @Mikhail
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsXCbsGJYos

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA2EDvX16hA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrpFsIr_wfs

    Replies: @John Johnson

    That’s a fascinating lineup of known Putin supporters that are here to give us the weekly report on how Russia moving backwards is actually forward progress.

    The Ukrainians have actually pushed far enough to where they can attack remaining Crimean supply lines with artillery:

    Oh and Alexander Mercouris is a disbarred lawyer who was caught engaging in fraud:
    https://www.legalcheek.com/2017/07/barrister-who-was-disbarred-after-forging-lady-hale-letter-sued-for-200000-by-ex-client/

    He has since switched to bootin’ for Putin.

    Putin really attracts some quality defenders.

    A convicted sex offender, a disbarred lawyer, and of course Steven Seagal.

    Just a dream team line up to defend a mass murdering dwarf.

    Oh and we could add Anglin, a self-described White nationalist who openly hates White women and fled to Asia after being ordered to pay restitution over harassing a small town Jew in a completely pointless and stupid case.

    • Troll: Chrisnonymous
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    BBC said over 50 thousand Kiev regime KIA in their so-called counter-offensive. Russian defense ministry has it at 43 thousand.

    Zelensky now harping on a prolonged conflict with Euromaidan Press showing photos of age 50 and over conscripts.

    You rail against CNN which nonetheless seems to have a linking to your pro-Kiev regime/anti-Russian slant.

    This should be good -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yrJ-SNN2as

    Replies: @Wielgus, @John Johnson

  30. @Sean
    @Adept

    Yes, and in a couple of decades China will have worked out how to make things that will be on the cutting edge. The US sanctions against China are a huge impetus for it developing its own productive capacity for such state of the art advanced products. So America is in effect getting China into those businesses.

    Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson

    Yes, and in a couple of decades China will have worked out how to make things that will be on the cutting edge.

    China was actually supposed to dominate both the US electric vehicle and compact auto market by now if we go by past predictions. How many Chinese auto lots have you seen?

    They were also supposed to overtake the Japanese and Koreans in electronics.

    Year of the Chinese and End of the Dollar predictions are made every single year.

    Good luck to this year’s contenders.

    • Replies: @Adept
    @John Johnson


    China was actually supposed to dominate both the US electric vehicle and compact auto market by now if we go by past predictions. How many Chinese auto lots have you seen?
     
    In 2022, 5.9M electric vehicles were sold in China -- more than the rest of the world combined. The overwhelming majority of these were domestic models. China is leading the world in electric car production, and frankly it's not even close.

    Why aren't they dominating the US electric vehicle market? Why do you think?

    ...The short answer is protectionism. There's a 27.5% tariff on Chinese vehicle imports. See, e.g.: https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/loans/auto-loans/china-electric-cars

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

    , @Sean
    @John Johnson

    There have also been predictions of imminent Chinese collapse, and supposedly savvy speculators who lost a lot of money kinda believing it. Good luck to those shorting China in various ways. There may be a period of stagnation for China, but is the US going to be ahead in the sanction-sensitive technology in fifty years; how about thirty? Whether the US is capable of out innovating China is questionable, so effectively incentivizing their getting into key areas of production they are currently dependent on the West for is not obviously harmless in the long term. Quite apart from their ancient history and recent trajectory, China has all sorts of formidable economies of scale.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  31. @Mikhail
    @QCIC

    How someone else put it -

    It's sad to see how the general is lying about Russia, Georgia, Iraq, Syria... It's obvious he knows that he is lying. He does not have brain to understand that it's a different time now, it's not 1970 when people could not check the facts themselves. Now it's not a problem.

    Anyway, I understand why President Eisenhower did not trust the MIC and appointed a civilian to be his Secretary of Defense.

    Active military-former military versus civilian doesn't necessarily make for a good separation from the MIC. After all, Eisenhower was former military when he made that observation. Thinking of all of the neocon chicken hawks with little if any military background, willing to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @QCIC

    So there’s no misunderstanding, I didn’t say the following which should’ve been italicized –

    Anyway, I understand why President Eisenhower did not trust the MIC and appointed a civilian to be his Secretary of Defense.

  32. @Beckow
    @Sean


    Russia had relied on the threat of invasion to make Ukraine abide by the Russian interpretation of Minsk, but the level of US arms supply and training had all but removed that wedge by late 2021. So Russia decided it was now or never.
     
    What do other countries do to make the side that signs a treaty after losing a war and refuses to fulfill it? Don't they also use a "threat of invasion"?

    Kiev lost the war against Donbas in 2014-15 and signed Minsk to get out of the total defeat. There is no "Russian interpretation of Minsk" - it is 1-page treaty that Donbas gets an autonomy within Ukraine. Kiev simply refused to implement it and instead armed heavily with Nato.

    None of that matters now: winner of the war will dictate the settlement. The odds are Russia will win and the peace treaty will be an order of magnitude worse for Kiev than Minsk would be.

    The question is not whether Hodges is a gambler and a fool. The question is why would rational people in Kiev provoke a war they can't win? Hodges plays with others' chips, so he ultimately doesn't care - but Ukies are dying for this bet, and their country is slowly being destroyed.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Kiev lost the war against Donbas in 2014-15 and signed Minsk to get out of the total defeat. There is no “Russian interpretation of Minsk” – it is 1-page treaty that Donbas gets an autonomy within Ukraine. Kiev simply refused to implement it and instead armed heavily with Nato.

    How would Kiev be at near total defeat in 2014-2015 if the fighting was almost entirely by militias?

    Here is the Minsk agreement and I’m not seeing anything that says Donbas gets autonomy:
    https://www.unian.info/politics/1043394-minsk-agreement-full-text-in-english.html

    Which point are you referring to?

    If the invasion is about Minsk then why didn’t Russia simply move forces to the LPR/DPR lines? Why were they trying to take Kiev in a brutal invasion?

    You do acknowledge that Russia is currently fighting for territory that was not part of the Minsk agreement?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    Which point are you referring to?
     
    How about 11. - and don't try to play stupid like with Nato in Kiev Constitution:

    11. Conducting constitutional reform in Ukraine, with the new constitution coming into force by the end of 2015, providing for decentralization as a key element (taking into account the characteristics of individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, agreed with representatives of these areas), as well as the adoption of the permanent legislation on the special status
     
    It is also mentioned in points 4,9,12. (You should read the Russian version for clarity.)

    If the invasion is about Minsk then why didn’t Russia simply move forces to the LPR/DPR lines? Why were they trying to take Kiev in a brutal invasion?
     
    If Nato invasion of Serbia was about Kosovo, why did they brutally bomb Beograd and the rest of Serbia? I suppose the answer is that wars are like that - nobody respects 'boundaries', they just want to win.

    do you acknowledge that Russia is currently fighting for territory that was not part of the Minsk agreement?
     
    Yes, absolutely - I said it many times. Kiev refused painful but fair concessions - neutral Ukraine with Donbas having an autonomy. Now it is for as many marbles as the winner can take. That's my point - Kiev screwed up. It is not clear why they would if they had Ukraine's well-being as their first priority. It looks like they didn't.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Sean
    @John Johnson


    How would Kiev be at near total defeat in 2014-2015 if the fighting was almost entirely by militias?
     
    The rebels were losing and to rescue the situation a couple of formed up battalion tactical groups of the Russian army crossed the border and cut a swath though Ukraine, leading Kiev to agree to Minsk in order to stop the rout of their forces. When Ukraine began dragging their heels Germany and France brokered Minsk2 , and Merkel said that the objective of it was to stop the Russians military going into action again before Ukraine had built up their forces to a reasonable level.

    Here is the Minsk agreement and I’m not seeing anything that says Donbas gets autonomy:
     
    Far more autonomy that they had before, and crucially what was in effect an East Donbass veto over Ukraine ever joining Nato

    If the invasion is about Minsk then why didn’t Russia simply move forces to the LPR/DPR lines? Why were they trying to take Kiev in a brutal invasion?
     

    In 2015 Russia could rely on the threat of it making huge inroads into Ukrainian territory with a few battalion tactical groups and staying there, because Ukraine was lacking in weapons and determined leadership. The position did not alter much even after there was a widespread perception that Trump had kept back arms from Ukraine.

    Biden entering the White House and back when he was VP Biden had been a super Hawk on Ukraine as was Blinken, so when Biden became president he initiated an acceleration of US arms to Ukraine, which had much more resolute professional officers leading it. The capabilities of Ukraine had by 2021 increased greatly and were continuing to improve , which was an ongoing erosion of Russia's ability to present a meaningful and valid threat to initiate either a limited or full scale invasion and landgrab. Doing nothing was losing Russia its wedge of military dominance Russia decided Ukraine was not going to compromise and was begining to be a match for Russia, so it was now or never. That is a long winded way of saying that Russia's preferred solution was not invading Ukraine but threatening to do so as a means to the end of sidelining Ukraine's Nato ambitions. Biden's policy obviated Russia's policy of hybrid pressure, so there was no choice but to do what was only threatened and use the full scale invasion option before it completely disappeared.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikel

  33. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    That's a fascinating lineup of known Putin supporters that are here to give us the weekly report on how Russia moving backwards is actually forward progress.

    The Ukrainians have actually pushed far enough to where they can attack remaining Crimean supply lines with artillery:

    https://youtu.be/YcgK4eNnOXM?t=17

    Oh and Alexander Mercouris is a disbarred lawyer who was caught engaging in fraud:
    https://www.legalcheek.com/2017/07/barrister-who-was-disbarred-after-forging-lady-hale-letter-sued-for-200000-by-ex-client/

    He has since switched to bootin' for Putin.

    Putin really attracts some quality defenders.

    A convicted sex offender, a disbarred lawyer, and of course Steven Seagal.

    Just a dream team line up to defend a mass murdering dwarf.

    Oh and we could add Anglin, a self-described White nationalist who openly hates White women and fled to Asia after being ordered to pay restitution over harassing a small town Jew in a completely pointless and stupid case.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    BBC said over 50 thousand Kiev regime KIA in their so-called counter-offensive. Russian defense ministry has it at 43 thousand.

    Zelensky now harping on a prolonged conflict with Euromaidan Press showing photos of age 50 and over conscripts.

    You rail against CNN which nonetheless seems to have a linking to your pro-Kiev regime/anti-Russian slant.

    This should be good –

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Mikhail

    Boris Johnson, or those behind him, have killed a lot of people. Talks could have succeeded in the spring of 2022 and avoided the bloodshed.

    , @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    BBC said over 50 thousand Kiev regime KIA in their so-called counter-offensive. Russian defense ministry has it at 43 thousand.

    Not sure of your point.

    Are you trying to tell me the counter-offensive has been costly? Yes that seems to be the case.

    I think you might be again projecting your own fanboyism. I never once said that the counter-offensive will be a smashing success with few casualties. In fact I was critical of the US for demanding a counter-offensive. I think they should have stayed quiet and prodded at the lines. If they were doing well defensively in Bakhmut then the US/UK should have left them alone. Talk of a grand counter offensive only spurred Russia to dig in. I also think they should have waited until some of the M1s and F16s arrived. Waiting a little longer also makes it harder for Russia to counter-attack once it rains. But I also think the US is correct in that Ukraine is spreading their forces too thin and should focus on destroying supply lines to Crimea.

    Unlike Putin's fanboys I can actually criticize everyone. I don't have an emotional attachment to Putin or any politician for that matter. Trump Tribe here in fact would get angry when I would criticize Trump out of concern that he wouldn't be re-elected. Well I guess their blind fanboyism won in the end. Oh wait.

    You rail against CNN which nonetheless seems to have a linking to your pro-Kiev regime/anti-Russian slant.

    CNN normally gets the weather correct.

    That doesn't mean they are "my side" or something. The majority of the world takes the side of Ukraine. Maybe you missed the 143-5 vote against Russia.

    I rail against CNN because they are dishonest and hold too much influence over the US public. That was proven beyond a shadow of the doubt with the hunter laptop story and the 50 CIA experts nonsense. But it's nothing specific to CNN. All major US media is garbage. Fox News is among the worst. However turning to pro-Russian sources is not the answer. It's changing one biased source for another.

    This should be good –

    Patrick Lancaster works for Russian media. As with Ritter he takes a paycheck to be the "US military voice" for propaganda.

    Judge Napotino only interviews pro-Russian sources and never asks real questions. Napolitano is a very short man like Putin. Do short bitter men vibe off Putin? Does he fulfill some fantasy of a cruel small man getting revenge against the world?

    Serious question: Is there a publicly known US defender of Putin that is at least 5'8 and has a stable career? Without any convictions?

    Replies: @Mikhail

  34. @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    BBC said over 50 thousand Kiev regime KIA in their so-called counter-offensive. Russian defense ministry has it at 43 thousand.

    Zelensky now harping on a prolonged conflict with Euromaidan Press showing photos of age 50 and over conscripts.

    You rail against CNN which nonetheless seems to have a linking to your pro-Kiev regime/anti-Russian slant.

    This should be good -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yrJ-SNN2as

    Replies: @Wielgus, @John Johnson

    Boris Johnson, or those behind him, have killed a lot of people. Talks could have succeeded in the spring of 2022 and avoided the bloodshed.

  35. Spectator:

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ukraines-real-killing-fields-an-investigation-into-the-wars-first-aid-crisis/

    I am told by those working here that many of those lost in the war die while they are being moved back to safety rather than on the front line. The long journeys to hospital, sometimes up to ten hours, can be lethal, and the availability of adequate first aid is the difference between life and death.

    Ukrainians believed that the very best care would be available for their soldiers. But the stark truth is emerging: soldiers are dying in their hundreds or even thousands due to poor medical provision. The problem is being ignored by the military hierarchy, whose focus is on sourcing weapons and pushing the counteroffensive rather than prioritising injured fighters.

    Another problem is that corruption has been allowed to flourish. One example is the proliferation of low-quality medical supplies being used to treat Ukrainian soldiers. A few weeks ago Volodymyr Prudnikov, the head of Ukraine’s Medical Forces Command’s procurement department, was accused of supplying 11,000 uncertified Chinese tactical medical kits to the front line. It is alleged that Prudnikov awarded £1.5 million-worth of contracts to a company co-founded by his daughter-in-law and was attempting to pass the Chinese kits off as Nato standard. He has been fired and now faces an investigation, but has yet to comment.

    It is just one example of the profiteering that is needlessly risking the lives of soldiers. Another example of corruption occurred last year in Lviv, where 10,000 tactical first aid kits worth £700,000 were sent by American volunteers and then mysteriously disappeared. It was recently reported that the US is investigating this case.

    Tourniquets are perhaps the most-needed first aid tool, particularly when the evacuation process is prolonged. But if tourniquets are badly made, they can be lethal. There have been complaints from the front line about Chinese-made tourniquets that either gradually lose pressure or come apart, leading to renewed bleeding with fatal consequences. A Chinese tourniquet costs just £2, while a Ukrainian ‘Sich’ tourniquet is £15. An authentic American CAT tourniquet comes in at around £35.

    Investing in decent tourniquets is money well spent. The medics I speak to say that two-thirds of Ukrainian soldiers die from blood loss. I meet Bilka, 24, a medic in the 243rd Territorial Defence Battalion, who has just returned from Bakhmut. She explains what happens to the injured person on the front line: ‘You have to drag a person with your hands approximately three to five kilometres. You can’t drive there even in armoured vehicles because of the heavy shellings and mines.’

    Medics, she says, try to avoid using the official first aid supplies issued to them, because of the admin that is involved. Each component of a government-issued medical kit must be accounted for, including equipment that is obviously sub-standard. ‘If a drug has expired, the write-off procedure is so difficult that it is easier to record that it has been destroyed by fire,’ she says.

    Some medical staff are funding equipment with contributions from their own salaries even though the average doctor in Ukraine only earns about £300 a month and a nurse half that sum. The situation has become so bad recently that medics at one hospital in Dnipro, which was overloaded with injured men from the front line, had to raise money to buy antibiotics, analgesics, gauze and even gloves needed for treatments. Meanwhile some £3 billion a month is spent on warfare.

  36. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66581217

    “There has been a dramatic rise in Ukraine’s number of dead, according to new estimates by unnamed US officials. The BBC’s Quentin Sommerville has been on the front line in the east, where the grim task of counting the dead has become a daily reality.

    The unknown soldiers lie piled high in a small brick mortuary, not very far from the front line in Donetsk, where 26-year-old Margo says she speaks to the dead.

    “It may sound weird… but I’m the one who wants to apologise for their deaths. I want to thank them somehow. It’s as if they can hear, but they can’t respond.”

    At her cluttered desk outside the mortuary’s heavy door, she sits, pen in hand. It is her job to record the particulars of the fallen.

    Ukraine gives no official toll of its war dead – the Ukrainian armed forces have reiterated that their war casualty numbers are a state secret – but Margo knows the losses are huge.”

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xpSA6T1LszM

  37. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Kiev lost the war against Donbas in 2014-15 and signed Minsk to get out of the total defeat. There is no “Russian interpretation of Minsk” – it is 1-page treaty that Donbas gets an autonomy within Ukraine. Kiev simply refused to implement it and instead armed heavily with Nato.

    How would Kiev be at near total defeat in 2014-2015 if the fighting was almost entirely by militias?

    Here is the Minsk agreement and I'm not seeing anything that says Donbas gets autonomy:
    https://www.unian.info/politics/1043394-minsk-agreement-full-text-in-english.html

    Which point are you referring to?

    If the invasion is about Minsk then why didn't Russia simply move forces to the LPR/DPR lines? Why were they trying to take Kiev in a brutal invasion?

    You do acknowledge that Russia is currently fighting for territory that was not part of the Minsk agreement?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean

    Which point are you referring to?

    How about 11. – and don’t try to play stupid like with Nato in Kiev Constitution:

    11. Conducting constitutional reform in Ukraine, with the new constitution coming into force by the end of 2015, providing for decentralization as a key element (taking into account the characteristics of individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, agreed with representatives of these areas), as well as the adoption of the permanent legislation on the special status

    It is also mentioned in points 4,9,12. (You should read the Russian version for clarity.)

    If the invasion is about Minsk then why didn’t Russia simply move forces to the LPR/DPR lines? Why were they trying to take Kiev in a brutal invasion?

    If Nato invasion of Serbia was about Kosovo, why did they brutally bomb Beograd and the rest of Serbia? I suppose the answer is that wars are like that – nobody respects ‘boundaries’, they just want to win.

    do you acknowledge that Russia is currently fighting for territory that was not part of the Minsk agreement?

    Yes, absolutely – I said it many times. Kiev refused painful but fair concessions – neutral Ukraine with Donbas having an autonomy. Now it is for as many marbles as the winner can take. That’s my point – Kiev screwed up. It is not clear why they would if they had Ukraine’s well-being as their first priority. It looks like they didn’t.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    Which point are you referring to?
     
    How about 11. – and don’t try to play stupid like with Nato in Kiev Constitution:

    Conducting constitutional reform in Ukraine, with the new constitution coming into force by the end of 2015, providing for decentralization as a key element (taking into account the characteristics of individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, agreed with representatives of these areas), as well as the adoption of the permanent legislation on the special status

    Special status does not mean autonomy. Washington DC has special status but that does not make it an autonomous region.

    Here is a paper describing that special status:
    Ukrainian authorities did agree to extensive provisions on the "special status" of the self-proclaimed republics, which would grant them, among others, rights to linguistic self-determination and creation of separate police units
    https://epicenter.wcfia.harvard.edu/blog/through-ashes-minsk-agreements

    Furthermore:
    the updated Minsk II stipulated that local elections would be allowed when Ukraine deemed that the security conditions were sufficient or “right.” And after the local elections were held, Ukraine would take full control of the border.

    Which means they were never granted political autonomy as security conditions were never met. Russian troops never left.

    You keep speaking of Minsk as if Ukraine is the side that ended it.

    Would you like to tell us which side attacked the Donetsk Airport in September 2014?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Donetsk_Airport

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

  38. Just idly browsing the 2019 Rand report on “Extending Russia”:

    https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html

    “Continuing to expand U.S. energy production in all forms, including renewables, and encouraging other countries to do the same would maximize pressure on Russia’s export receipts and thus on its national and defense budgets. Alone among the many measures looked at in this report, this one comes with the least cost or risk.”

    It’s almost risk-free to blow up Europe’s main energy pipeline, because they’re so supine AND they’ll buy American LPG. But… the Saudis cut production and the oil price is rising again. Coal use was a record in 2022, and oil use will be a record in 2023.

    The Saudis seem to be belatedly coming to the conclusion that permanent war in the M.E. maybe isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.

    Must say the Brit tanks are being well hidden. No firework videos yet. I guess they’re being held back for the blitzkrieg thrust to Melitopol 😉

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @YetAnotherAnon

    In reality renewables have a very heavy cost.

    I have always wondered if there isn't some ulterior motive to the renewables nonsense, apart from the grift.

  39. @John Johnson
    @Sean

    Yes, and in a couple of decades China will have worked out how to make things that will be on the cutting edge.

    China was actually supposed to dominate both the US electric vehicle and compact auto market by now if we go by past predictions. How many Chinese auto lots have you seen?

    They were also supposed to overtake the Japanese and Koreans in electronics.

    Year of the Chinese and End of the Dollar predictions are made every single year.

    Good luck to this year's contenders.

    Replies: @Adept, @Sean

    China was actually supposed to dominate both the US electric vehicle and compact auto market by now if we go by past predictions. How many Chinese auto lots have you seen?

    In 2022, 5.9M electric vehicles were sold in China — more than the rest of the world combined. The overwhelming majority of these were domestic models. China is leading the world in electric car production, and frankly it’s not even close.

    Why aren’t they dominating the US electric vehicle market? Why do you think?

    …The short answer is protectionism. There’s a 27.5% tariff on Chinese vehicle imports. See, e.g.: https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/loans/auto-loans/china-electric-cars

    • Replies: @A123
    @Adept

    How many of those "Chinese EV's" never existed?

    How many have been abandoned?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEfwoqKRU8

    The CCP centrally planned economy has huge problems. A significant amount of theoretical GDP does not actually translate to real world productivity.
    ____

    Protecting American jobs from subsidied foreign SOE competitors is High-IQ industrial policy in the interest of America's citizen/workers.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Adept

    , @John Johnson
    @Adept


    China was actually supposed to dominate both the US electric vehicle and compact auto market by now if we go by past predictions. How many Chinese auto lots have you seen?
     
    In 2022, 5.9M electric vehicles were sold in China — more than the rest of the world combined. The overwhelming majority of these were domestic models. China is leading the world in electric car production, and frankly it’s not even close.

    Your stat is wrong.

    Top 5 companies make up for 52% of EV sales.
    https://insideevs.com/news/651978/world-top-ev-oem-sales-2022q4/

    In any case it doesn't change the fact that we have seen many predictions in the past about China dominating various US markets including EV and compact cars. They were supposed to overtake KIA and they don't even have a foot in the market. These were predictions about the US market and not Chinese production.

    The Chinese in America are not as cunning or aggressive in business as other ethnic groups. I don't see why so many view the Chinese as capitalist gods that are waiting to be unleashed.

    Maybe they will dominate some future market, maybe they won't. But we have been hearing for over a decade on how the Year of China domination is right around the corner.

    Any day now just like the End of the Dollar.

    Oh and EV sales are on the decline so the Chinese takeover is even less likely.
    https://jalopnik.com/dealers-are-turning-away-ev-inventory-report-1850771467

    Electric vehicles in the US are mostly for wealthy liberals that want to virtue signal. That is why so many of them cost over $60. They are status symbols. I support EVs but not as a status toy for liberals with too much money.

    Replies: @Adept

  40. @Adept
    @John Johnson


    China was actually supposed to dominate both the US electric vehicle and compact auto market by now if we go by past predictions. How many Chinese auto lots have you seen?
     
    In 2022, 5.9M electric vehicles were sold in China -- more than the rest of the world combined. The overwhelming majority of these were domestic models. China is leading the world in electric car production, and frankly it's not even close.

    Why aren't they dominating the US electric vehicle market? Why do you think?

    ...The short answer is protectionism. There's a 27.5% tariff on Chinese vehicle imports. See, e.g.: https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/loans/auto-loans/china-electric-cars

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

    How many of those “Chinese EV’s” never existed?

    How many have been abandoned?

    The CCP centrally planned economy has huge problems. A significant amount of theoretical GDP does not actually translate to real world productivity.
    ____

    Protecting American jobs from subsidied foreign SOE competitors is High-IQ industrial policy in the interest of America’s citizen/workers.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Adept
    @A123

    Seriously, you're posting serpentza vids? And Zeihan? Come on.



    A significant amount of theoretical GDP does not actually translate to real world productivity.

     

    Case in point: Nearly 20% (!!) of the US GDP is in healthcare, of all things. Think about that one for a minute. And then consider that in spite of this, life expectancy in the US has been falling to laughably low levels, and life expectancy in China has recently surpassed it.

    The Chinese are not doing that bad. I'd say that they're playing their hand more or less correctly. The US, in contrast, is self-sabotaging in ways that people just 20 years ago would hardly even believe possible.

    Replies: @A123

  41. In his life, it was not enough that he was bald, suffered from arthritis, atherosclerosis, Lyme disease, whipworm, Helicobacter pylori, gum disease, tooth decay and gallstones – poor Ötzi was the first victim of lynching!

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    My Economics 1 professor was very fond of a joke.

    Ask a doctor how do you describe a healthy patient. The answer they give is he hasn't had a complete workup yet!

    Every one of us is going to die. Helicopter pylon is going to win.

    Replies: @songbird

  42. @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    BBC said over 50 thousand Kiev regime KIA in their so-called counter-offensive. Russian defense ministry has it at 43 thousand.

    Zelensky now harping on a prolonged conflict with Euromaidan Press showing photos of age 50 and over conscripts.

    You rail against CNN which nonetheless seems to have a linking to your pro-Kiev regime/anti-Russian slant.

    This should be good -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yrJ-SNN2as

    Replies: @Wielgus, @John Johnson

    BBC said over 50 thousand Kiev regime KIA in their so-called counter-offensive. Russian defense ministry has it at 43 thousand.

    Not sure of your point.

    Are you trying to tell me the counter-offensive has been costly? Yes that seems to be the case.

    I think you might be again projecting your own fanboyism. I never once said that the counter-offensive will be a smashing success with few casualties. In fact I was critical of the US for demanding a counter-offensive. I think they should have stayed quiet and prodded at the lines. If they were doing well defensively in Bakhmut then the US/UK should have left them alone. Talk of a grand counter offensive only spurred Russia to dig in. I also think they should have waited until some of the M1s and F16s arrived. Waiting a little longer also makes it harder for Russia to counter-attack once it rains. But I also think the US is correct in that Ukraine is spreading their forces too thin and should focus on destroying supply lines to Crimea.

    Unlike Putin’s fanboys I can actually criticize everyone. I don’t have an emotional attachment to Putin or any politician for that matter. Trump Tribe here in fact would get angry when I would criticize Trump out of concern that he wouldn’t be re-elected. Well I guess their blind fanboyism won in the end. Oh wait.

    You rail against CNN which nonetheless seems to have a linking to your pro-Kiev regime/anti-Russian slant.

    CNN normally gets the weather correct.

    That doesn’t mean they are “my side” or something. The majority of the world takes the side of Ukraine. Maybe you missed the 143-5 vote against Russia.

    I rail against CNN because they are dishonest and hold too much influence over the US public. That was proven beyond a shadow of the doubt with the hunter laptop story and the 50 CIA experts nonsense. But it’s nothing specific to CNN. All major US media is garbage. Fox News is among the worst. However turning to pro-Russian sources is not the answer. It’s changing one biased source for another.

    This should be good –

    Patrick Lancaster works for Russian media. As with Ritter he takes a paycheck to be the “US military voice” for propaganda.

    Judge Napotino only interviews pro-Russian sources and never asks real questions. Napolitano is a very short man like Putin. Do short bitter men vibe off Putin? Does he fulfill some fantasy of a cruel small man getting revenge against the world?

    Serious question: Is there a publicly known US defender of Putin that is at least 5’8 and has a stable career? Without any convictions?

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @John Johnson


    Not sure of your point.

    Are you trying to tell me the counter-offensive has been costly? Yes that seems to be the case.

    I think you might be again projecting your own fanboyism. I never once said that the counter-offensive will be a smashing success with few casualties. In fact I was critical of the US for demanding a counter-offensive. I think they should have stayed quiet and prodded at the lines. If they were doing well defensively in Bakhmut then the US/UK should have left them alone. Talk of a grand counter offensive only spurred Russia to dig in. I also think they should have waited until some of the M1s and F16s arrived. Waiting a little longer also makes it harder for Russia to counter-attack once it rains. But I also think the US is correct in that Ukraine is spreading their forces too thin and should focus on destroying supply lines to Crimea.

    Unlike Putin’s fanboys I can actually criticize everyone. I don’t have an emotional attachment to Putin or any politician for that matter. Trump Tribe here in fact would get angry when I would criticize Trump out of concern that he wouldn’t be re-elected. Well I guess their blind fanboyism won in the end. Oh wait.

    You rail against CNN which nonetheless seems to have a linking to your pro-Kiev regime/anti-Russian slant.

    CNN normally gets the weather correct.

    That doesn’t mean they are “my side” or something. The majority of the world takes the side of Ukraine. Maybe you missed the 143-5 vote against Russia.

    I rail against CNN because they are dishonest and hold too much influence over the US public. That was proven beyond a shadow of the doubt with the hunter laptop story and the 50 CIA experts nonsense. But it’s nothing specific to CNN. All major US media is garbage. Fox News is among the worst. However turning to pro-Russian sources is not the answer. It’s changing one biased source for another.

    This should be good –

    Patrick Lancaster works for Russian media. As with Ritter he takes a paycheck to be the “US military voice” for propaganda.

    Judge Napotino only interviews pro-Russian sources and never asks real questions. Napolitano is a very short man like Putin. Do short bitter men vibe off Putin? Does he fulfill some fantasy of a cruel small man getting revenge against the world?

    Serious question: Is there a publicly known US defender of Putin that is at least 5’8 and has a stable career? Without any convictions?
     

    Pragmatic advocacy on my part which is the opposite of what you spew.

    Zelensky is listed as the same height as Putin. Size is irrelevant when it comes to numerous things including opinions regarding Russia-Ukraine. Not sure of how tall Ray McGovern and Larry Johnson are. Napolitano has had on at least two people with pro-Kiev regime/anti-Russian sentiment. Much better than CNN, MSNBC and post-Tucker Fox News. You inaccurately categorize Napolitano's show with the pro-Putin designation. Are Tony Shaffer and Danny Davis "pro-Putin"? Johnson and McGovern will likely object to your simplistically inaccurate categorization.

    The majority of the world isn't supporting the collective West sanctions against Russia. Over time, more and more are realizing that the Kiev regimes is a corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced entity with blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.

    F-16s aren't a game changer for several obvious reasons.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  43. @songbird
    In his life, it was not enough that he was bald, suffered from arthritis, atherosclerosis, Lyme disease, whipworm, Helicobacter pylori, gum disease, tooth decay and gallstones - poor Ötzi was the first victim of lynching!

    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/new-otzi-iceman-dna-ancestry-genome

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    My Economics 1 professor was very fond of a joke.

    Ask a doctor how do you describe a healthy patient. The answer they give is he hasn’t had a complete workup yet!

    Every one of us is going to die. Helicopter pylon is going to win.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Perhaps, the whipworm reduced his inflammation.

  44. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Does not compute. The Brits are pretty damn good at making Formula One cars, but can't make a quality car for everyman anymore (not helped by their government going electric car mad, which the Brits are even less able to make than petrol/diesel cars) without help from Nissan/Ford/GM.

    I drove a Chinese van last year, a Ford Transit "white van man" equivalent vehicle. It was pretty damn good.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxus_V90

    Half the medical kit in Brit hospitals is Chinese. Not looked at big-ticket things like MRI scanners, but the x-ray machines with "General Electric" on the side are made in China.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Dmitry

    That van looks a lot like a Ford, maybe a little bit like a Nissan, too.

  45. @A123
    @Adept

    How many of those "Chinese EV's" never existed?

    How many have been abandoned?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEfwoqKRU8

    The CCP centrally planned economy has huge problems. A significant amount of theoretical GDP does not actually translate to real world productivity.
    ____

    Protecting American jobs from subsidied foreign SOE competitors is High-IQ industrial policy in the interest of America's citizen/workers.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Adept

    Seriously, you’re posting serpentza vids? And Zeihan? Come on.

    A significant amount of theoretical GDP does not actually translate to real world productivity.

    Case in point: Nearly 20% (!!) of the US GDP is in healthcare, of all things. Think about that one for a minute. And then consider that in spite of this, life expectancy in the US has been falling to laughably low levels, and life expectancy in China has recently surpassed it.

    The Chinese are not doing that bad. I’d say that they’re playing their hand more or less correctly. The US, in contrast, is self-sabotaging in ways that people just 20 years ago would hardly even believe possible.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Adept


    Seriously, you’re posting serpentza vids? And Zeihan?
     
    Zeihan has a solid track record accurately documenting CCP dysfunction.

    serpentza was a fairly random grab. He must be skilled at playing the YT algorithm. There are hundreds of videos on the catastrophic "ghost car" fiasco in the CCP auto industry. Here is an alternative source. The same fact set is everywhere.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CVYZSDpouH8


    The Chinese are not doing that bad. I’d say that they’re playing their hand more or less correctly.
     
    Failed property developer Evergrande tried to access markets recently. This went exceedingly poorly. And, this is not a unique situation. All of the large CCP linked or SOE property companies have one foot in the grave.

    The US ... is self-sabotaging in ways that people just 20 years ago would hardly even believe possible.
     
    No doubt, the U.S. has some serious problems. Most notably deindustrialization. The concept of "free trade" is actually "unilateral disarmament".

    The answer is MAGA Reindustrialization. If rebuilding America requires tariffs and aggressive industrial policy, those are High-IQ MAGA decisions.

    PEACE 😇

  46. @Adept
    @John Johnson


    China was actually supposed to dominate both the US electric vehicle and compact auto market by now if we go by past predictions. How many Chinese auto lots have you seen?
     
    In 2022, 5.9M electric vehicles were sold in China -- more than the rest of the world combined. The overwhelming majority of these were domestic models. China is leading the world in electric car production, and frankly it's not even close.

    Why aren't they dominating the US electric vehicle market? Why do you think?

    ...The short answer is protectionism. There's a 27.5% tariff on Chinese vehicle imports. See, e.g.: https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/loans/auto-loans/china-electric-cars

    Replies: @A123, @John Johnson

    China was actually supposed to dominate both the US electric vehicle and compact auto market by now if we go by past predictions. How many Chinese auto lots have you seen?

    In 2022, 5.9M electric vehicles were sold in China — more than the rest of the world combined. The overwhelming majority of these were domestic models. China is leading the world in electric car production, and frankly it’s not even close.

    Your stat is wrong.

    Top 5 companies make up for 52% of EV sales.
    https://insideevs.com/news/651978/world-top-ev-oem-sales-2022q4/

    In any case it doesn’t change the fact that we have seen many predictions in the past about China dominating various US markets including EV and compact cars. They were supposed to overtake KIA and they don’t even have a foot in the market. These were predictions about the US market and not Chinese production.

    The Chinese in America are not as cunning or aggressive in business as other ethnic groups. I don’t see why so many view the Chinese as capitalist gods that are waiting to be unleashed.

    Maybe they will dominate some future market, maybe they won’t. But we have been hearing for over a decade on how the Year of China domination is right around the corner.

    Any day now just like the End of the Dollar.

    Oh and EV sales are on the decline so the Chinese takeover is even less likely.
    https://jalopnik.com/dealers-are-turning-away-ev-inventory-report-1850771467

    Electric vehicles in the US are mostly for wealthy liberals that want to virtue signal. That is why so many of them cost over $60. They are status symbols. I support EVs but not as a status toy for liberals with too much money.

    • Replies: @Adept
    @John Johnson

    I was looking at this, which paints a different picture: https://cleantechnica.com/2023/02/01/plugin-electric-vehicles-get-30-share-of-auto-market-in-another-record-month-in-china/

    Replies: @QCIC

  47. @Beckow
    @John Johnson


    Which point are you referring to?
     
    How about 11. - and don't try to play stupid like with Nato in Kiev Constitution:

    11. Conducting constitutional reform in Ukraine, with the new constitution coming into force by the end of 2015, providing for decentralization as a key element (taking into account the characteristics of individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, agreed with representatives of these areas), as well as the adoption of the permanent legislation on the special status
     
    It is also mentioned in points 4,9,12. (You should read the Russian version for clarity.)

    If the invasion is about Minsk then why didn’t Russia simply move forces to the LPR/DPR lines? Why were they trying to take Kiev in a brutal invasion?
     
    If Nato invasion of Serbia was about Kosovo, why did they brutally bomb Beograd and the rest of Serbia? I suppose the answer is that wars are like that - nobody respects 'boundaries', they just want to win.

    do you acknowledge that Russia is currently fighting for territory that was not part of the Minsk agreement?
     
    Yes, absolutely - I said it many times. Kiev refused painful but fair concessions - neutral Ukraine with Donbas having an autonomy. Now it is for as many marbles as the winner can take. That's my point - Kiev screwed up. It is not clear why they would if they had Ukraine's well-being as their first priority. It looks like they didn't.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Which point are you referring to?

    How about 11. – and don’t try to play stupid like with Nato in Kiev Constitution:

    Conducting constitutional reform in Ukraine, with the new constitution coming into force by the end of 2015, providing for decentralization as a key element (taking into account the characteristics of individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, agreed with representatives of these areas), as well as the adoption of the permanent legislation on the special status

    Special status does not mean autonomy. Washington DC has special status but that does not make it an autonomous region.

    Here is a paper describing that special status:
    Ukrainian authorities did agree to extensive provisions on the “special status” of the self-proclaimed republics, which would grant them, among others, rights to linguistic self-determination and creation of separate police units
    https://epicenter.wcfia.harvard.edu/blog/through-ashes-minsk-agreements

    Furthermore:
    the updated Minsk II stipulated that local elections would be allowed when Ukraine deemed that the security conditions were sufficient or “right.” And after the local elections were held, Ukraine would take full control of the border.

    Which means they were never granted political autonomy as security conditions were never met. Russian troops never left.

    You keep speaking of Minsk as if Ukraine is the side that ended it.

    Would you like to tell us which side attacked the Donetsk Airport in September 2014?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Donetsk_Airport

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @John Johnson


    Ukrainian authorities did agree to extensive provisions on the “special status” of the self-proclaimed republics, which would grant them, among others, rights to linguistic self-determination and creation of separate police units
     
    So, more than South Tyrol has? But no veto power over national Ukrainian policies like Russia wanted?
    , @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You are incoherent: special status is now not autonomy? Your DC example is way off - it has special status as the capital city, as do many capitals around the world. In Europe there are plenty of autonomous, specials status, territories, many federations - get a map, maybe you will find a few. Not everything is about "DC" and you...:)

    You show desperation - it is dawning on you how big a disaster this could be for Kiev and the West. How much better would they be if they acted normally and gave their Russian minority normal rights and stayed neutral in the geopolitics they simply can't win. All of these reasons will be eventually published in the West and then the nature of how disastrously provocative the neo-con policies in Ukraine have been will be well known. That is what worries you.

    But not yet, we are in the war-making mode. Morale has to be kept up. Right? Any lie is good for fighting a war.

    Replies: @AP, @Mikhail

  48. @Adept
    @A123

    Seriously, you're posting serpentza vids? And Zeihan? Come on.



    A significant amount of theoretical GDP does not actually translate to real world productivity.

     

    Case in point: Nearly 20% (!!) of the US GDP is in healthcare, of all things. Think about that one for a minute. And then consider that in spite of this, life expectancy in the US has been falling to laughably low levels, and life expectancy in China has recently surpassed it.

    The Chinese are not doing that bad. I'd say that they're playing their hand more or less correctly. The US, in contrast, is self-sabotaging in ways that people just 20 years ago would hardly even believe possible.

    Replies: @A123

    Seriously, you’re posting serpentza vids? And Zeihan?

    Zeihan has a solid track record accurately documenting CCP dysfunction.

    serpentza was a fairly random grab. He must be skilled at playing the YT algorithm. There are hundreds of videos on the catastrophic “ghost car” fiasco in the CCP auto industry. Here is an alternative source. The same fact set is everywhere.

    The Chinese are not doing that bad. I’d say that they’re playing their hand more or less correctly.

    Failed property developer Evergrande tried to access markets recently. This went exceedingly poorly. And, this is not a unique situation. All of the large CCP linked or SOE property companies have one foot in the grave.

    The US … is self-sabotaging in ways that people just 20 years ago would hardly even believe possible.

    No doubt, the U.S. has some serious problems. Most notably deindustrialization. The concept of “free trade” is actually “unilateral disarmament”.

    The answer is MAGA Reindustrialization. If rebuilding America requires tariffs and aggressive industrial policy, those are High-IQ MAGA decisions.

    PEACE 😇

  49. @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    Which point are you referring to?
     
    How about 11. – and don’t try to play stupid like with Nato in Kiev Constitution:

    Conducting constitutional reform in Ukraine, with the new constitution coming into force by the end of 2015, providing for decentralization as a key element (taking into account the characteristics of individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, agreed with representatives of these areas), as well as the adoption of the permanent legislation on the special status

    Special status does not mean autonomy. Washington DC has special status but that does not make it an autonomous region.

    Here is a paper describing that special status:
    Ukrainian authorities did agree to extensive provisions on the "special status" of the self-proclaimed republics, which would grant them, among others, rights to linguistic self-determination and creation of separate police units
    https://epicenter.wcfia.harvard.edu/blog/through-ashes-minsk-agreements

    Furthermore:
    the updated Minsk II stipulated that local elections would be allowed when Ukraine deemed that the security conditions were sufficient or “right.” And after the local elections were held, Ukraine would take full control of the border.

    Which means they were never granted political autonomy as security conditions were never met. Russian troops never left.

    You keep speaking of Minsk as if Ukraine is the side that ended it.

    Would you like to tell us which side attacked the Donetsk Airport in September 2014?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Donetsk_Airport

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    Ukrainian authorities did agree to extensive provisions on the “special status” of the self-proclaimed republics, which would grant them, among others, rights to linguistic self-determination and creation of separate police units

    So, more than South Tyrol has? But no veto power over national Ukrainian policies like Russia wanted?

  50. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    My Economics 1 professor was very fond of a joke.

    Ask a doctor how do you describe a healthy patient. The answer they give is he hasn't had a complete workup yet!

    Every one of us is going to die. Helicopter pylon is going to win.

    Replies: @songbird

    Perhaps, the whipworm reduced his inflammation.

  51. @John Johnson
    @Adept


    China was actually supposed to dominate both the US electric vehicle and compact auto market by now if we go by past predictions. How many Chinese auto lots have you seen?
     
    In 2022, 5.9M electric vehicles were sold in China — more than the rest of the world combined. The overwhelming majority of these were domestic models. China is leading the world in electric car production, and frankly it’s not even close.

    Your stat is wrong.

    Top 5 companies make up for 52% of EV sales.
    https://insideevs.com/news/651978/world-top-ev-oem-sales-2022q4/

    In any case it doesn't change the fact that we have seen many predictions in the past about China dominating various US markets including EV and compact cars. They were supposed to overtake KIA and they don't even have a foot in the market. These were predictions about the US market and not Chinese production.

    The Chinese in America are not as cunning or aggressive in business as other ethnic groups. I don't see why so many view the Chinese as capitalist gods that are waiting to be unleashed.

    Maybe they will dominate some future market, maybe they won't. But we have been hearing for over a decade on how the Year of China domination is right around the corner.

    Any day now just like the End of the Dollar.

    Oh and EV sales are on the decline so the Chinese takeover is even less likely.
    https://jalopnik.com/dealers-are-turning-away-ev-inventory-report-1850771467

    Electric vehicles in the US are mostly for wealthy liberals that want to virtue signal. That is why so many of them cost over $60. They are status symbols. I support EVs but not as a status toy for liberals with too much money.

    Replies: @Adept

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Adept

    EVs in China = Coal Powered Cars. LOL

  52. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    BBC said over 50 thousand Kiev regime KIA in their so-called counter-offensive. Russian defense ministry has it at 43 thousand.

    Not sure of your point.

    Are you trying to tell me the counter-offensive has been costly? Yes that seems to be the case.

    I think you might be again projecting your own fanboyism. I never once said that the counter-offensive will be a smashing success with few casualties. In fact I was critical of the US for demanding a counter-offensive. I think they should have stayed quiet and prodded at the lines. If they were doing well defensively in Bakhmut then the US/UK should have left them alone. Talk of a grand counter offensive only spurred Russia to dig in. I also think they should have waited until some of the M1s and F16s arrived. Waiting a little longer also makes it harder for Russia to counter-attack once it rains. But I also think the US is correct in that Ukraine is spreading their forces too thin and should focus on destroying supply lines to Crimea.

    Unlike Putin's fanboys I can actually criticize everyone. I don't have an emotional attachment to Putin or any politician for that matter. Trump Tribe here in fact would get angry when I would criticize Trump out of concern that he wouldn't be re-elected. Well I guess their blind fanboyism won in the end. Oh wait.

    You rail against CNN which nonetheless seems to have a linking to your pro-Kiev regime/anti-Russian slant.

    CNN normally gets the weather correct.

    That doesn't mean they are "my side" or something. The majority of the world takes the side of Ukraine. Maybe you missed the 143-5 vote against Russia.

    I rail against CNN because they are dishonest and hold too much influence over the US public. That was proven beyond a shadow of the doubt with the hunter laptop story and the 50 CIA experts nonsense. But it's nothing specific to CNN. All major US media is garbage. Fox News is among the worst. However turning to pro-Russian sources is not the answer. It's changing one biased source for another.

    This should be good –

    Patrick Lancaster works for Russian media. As with Ritter he takes a paycheck to be the "US military voice" for propaganda.

    Judge Napotino only interviews pro-Russian sources and never asks real questions. Napolitano is a very short man like Putin. Do short bitter men vibe off Putin? Does he fulfill some fantasy of a cruel small man getting revenge against the world?

    Serious question: Is there a publicly known US defender of Putin that is at least 5'8 and has a stable career? Without any convictions?

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Not sure of your point.

    Are you trying to tell me the counter-offensive has been costly? Yes that seems to be the case.

    I think you might be again projecting your own fanboyism. I never once said that the counter-offensive will be a smashing success with few casualties. In fact I was critical of the US for demanding a counter-offensive. I think they should have stayed quiet and prodded at the lines. If they were doing well defensively in Bakhmut then the US/UK should have left them alone. Talk of a grand counter offensive only spurred Russia to dig in. I also think they should have waited until some of the M1s and F16s arrived. Waiting a little longer also makes it harder for Russia to counter-attack once it rains. But I also think the US is correct in that Ukraine is spreading their forces too thin and should focus on destroying supply lines to Crimea.

    Unlike Putin’s fanboys I can actually criticize everyone. I don’t have an emotional attachment to Putin or any politician for that matter. Trump Tribe here in fact would get angry when I would criticize Trump out of concern that he wouldn’t be re-elected. Well I guess their blind fanboyism won in the end. Oh wait.

    You rail against CNN which nonetheless seems to have a linking to your pro-Kiev regime/anti-Russian slant.

    CNN normally gets the weather correct.

    That doesn’t mean they are “my side” or something. The majority of the world takes the side of Ukraine. Maybe you missed the 143-5 vote against Russia.

    I rail against CNN because they are dishonest and hold too much influence over the US public. That was proven beyond a shadow of the doubt with the hunter laptop story and the 50 CIA experts nonsense. But it’s nothing specific to CNN. All major US media is garbage. Fox News is among the worst. However turning to pro-Russian sources is not the answer. It’s changing one biased source for another.

    This should be good –

    Patrick Lancaster works for Russian media. As with Ritter he takes a paycheck to be the “US military voice” for propaganda.

    Judge Napotino only interviews pro-Russian sources and never asks real questions. Napolitano is a very short man like Putin. Do short bitter men vibe off Putin? Does he fulfill some fantasy of a cruel small man getting revenge against the world?

    Serious question: Is there a publicly known US defender of Putin that is at least 5’8 and has a stable career? Without any convictions?

    Pragmatic advocacy on my part which is the opposite of what you spew.

    Zelensky is listed as the same height as Putin. Size is irrelevant when it comes to numerous things including opinions regarding Russia-Ukraine. Not sure of how tall Ray McGovern and Larry Johnson are. Napolitano has had on at least two people with pro-Kiev regime/anti-Russian sentiment. Much better than CNN, MSNBC and post-Tucker Fox News. You inaccurately categorize Napolitano’s show with the pro-Putin designation. Are Tony Shaffer and Danny Davis “pro-Putin”? Johnson and McGovern will likely object to your simplistically inaccurate categorization.

    The majority of the world isn’t supporting the collective West sanctions against Russia. Over time, more and more are realizing that the Kiev regimes is a corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced entity with blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.

    F-16s aren’t a game changer for several obvious reasons.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Pragmatic advocacy on my part which is the opposite of what you spew.

    Zelensky is listed as the same height as Putin. Size is irrelevant when it comes to numerous things including opinions regarding Russia-Ukraine.

    It's not at all irrelevant when a dictator wears shoe lifts.

    He is clearly insecure about his height if he feels the need to add 4" heels and won't allow himself to be photographed with tall Western women.

    Zelensky is short but has actual confidence.

    This war would not exist if Putin was 5'10. It is classic Napolean syndrome.

    I also can't help but notice that his close associates like Medvedev and Kadyrov are also very short. Stalin also preferred short henchmen. Tall and handsome officers had no chance during the purge. Stalin was very insecure about his height and kept it a secret from the public. Russia has created quite a few short and murderous men.

    Napolitano has had on at least two people with pro-Kiev regime/anti-Russian sentiment.

    The guy is a pro-Russian hack. He sits and nods like a robot when Larry C or MacGregor ramble. A real journalist is supposed to ask questions that challenges the expert. Napolitano gives them a platform and doesn't question any of their past claims.

    Are Tony Shaffer and Danny Davis “pro-Putin”? Johnson and McGovern will likely object to your simplistically inaccurate categorization.

    Shaffer went on his show and talked about how Russia is going to win.

    I've seen dozens of Napolitano interviews where he just sits there and snickers while his guest rambles about how Russia is winning. He has been doing this since the invasion.

    He has a right to softball pro-Putin guests and I have the right to call him out on it. He is a pro-Putin hack that is afraid to ask MacGregor real questions.

    The majority of the world isn’t supporting the collective West sanctions against Russia. Over time, more and more are realizing that the Kiev regimes is a corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced entity with blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.

    The majority of the world is non-White, poor to middle income and wants cheap oil from Russia. The 143-5 vote however makes it clear that the world does not view Putin's war as justified. There were multiple votes in fact and the only consistent supporters of Putin have been dictatorships like Belarus and North Korea.

    F-16s aren’t a game changer for several obvious reasons.

    I never said they were a game changer. I've said that Ukraine should have waited for them and the m1s to arrive before launching a counter-offensive.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  53. Concerning neocon-neolib and svido delusions –

    Norway Slaughters Treacherous Reindeer Who Crossed Border into Russia, Kiev Regime Forces Claim to Take Hamlet of Rabotino After 3 Months, Zelensky Asks West to Pay for “Elections” Amidst War, more…
    https://marksleboda.substack.com/p/norway-slaughters-treacherous-reindeer?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2#details

  54. @John Johnson
    @Beckow


    Which point are you referring to?
     
    How about 11. – and don’t try to play stupid like with Nato in Kiev Constitution:

    Conducting constitutional reform in Ukraine, with the new constitution coming into force by the end of 2015, providing for decentralization as a key element (taking into account the characteristics of individual areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, agreed with representatives of these areas), as well as the adoption of the permanent legislation on the special status

    Special status does not mean autonomy. Washington DC has special status but that does not make it an autonomous region.

    Here is a paper describing that special status:
    Ukrainian authorities did agree to extensive provisions on the "special status" of the self-proclaimed republics, which would grant them, among others, rights to linguistic self-determination and creation of separate police units
    https://epicenter.wcfia.harvard.edu/blog/through-ashes-minsk-agreements

    Furthermore:
    the updated Minsk II stipulated that local elections would be allowed when Ukraine deemed that the security conditions were sufficient or “right.” And after the local elections were held, Ukraine would take full control of the border.

    Which means they were never granted political autonomy as security conditions were never met. Russian troops never left.

    You keep speaking of Minsk as if Ukraine is the side that ended it.

    Would you like to tell us which side attacked the Donetsk Airport in September 2014?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Donetsk_Airport

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    You are incoherent: special status is now not autonomy? Your DC example is way off – it has special status as the capital city, as do many capitals around the world. In Europe there are plenty of autonomous, specials status, territories, many federations – get a map, maybe you will find a few. Not everything is about “DC” and you…:)

    You show desperation – it is dawning on you how big a disaster this could be for Kiev and the West. How much better would they be if they acted normally and gave their Russian minority normal rights and stayed neutral in the geopolitics they simply can’t win. All of these reasons will be eventually published in the West and then the nature of how disastrously provocative the neo-con policies in Ukraine have been will be well known. That is what worries you.

    But not yet, we are in the war-making mode. Morale has to be kept up. Right? Any lie is good for fighting a war.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    You are incoherent: special status is now not autonomy?
     
    Zelensky hoped that this would be interpreted in a way that would not cancel Ukraine's independence. But Russia refused.

    how big a disaster this could be for Kiev and the West
     
    Beckow is starting to hedge a little bit - "could."

    For Ukrainians the disasters were having Russia as a neighbor, and Putin stupidly underestimated Ukrainian resolve and launching an ill-fated invasion. Defending one's independence was not a "disaster." I understand that your people of course allied with the Nazis and did nothing against the Soviets, and when Putin looked to be strong you personally hoped for his victory.

    Russia is just grinding its military to dust in Ukraine. But not only there - it just lost 5% of its transport fleet in one night, due to drone attacks within Russia itself. Russia will kill a handful of civilians in retaliation, it's all that the weak can really do. And hide behind their minefields, hoping that they aren't breached and that in the end they can keep as much as they can of what had been stolen more than a year ago. I still give 50/50 odds of Ukraine retaking the Crimea corridor as I did many months ago. In your ignorance you didn't think Ukrainians would fight to defend themselves, and also in your ignorance you didn't know that Ukrainians were the best fighters amongst the eastern Slavs. You stupidly thought Soviet or Russian Empire military prowess and success was about Great Russians and called World War II a Russian victory, leading to the moronic prediction that this war would be just another easy victory of a Russian juggernaut, rather than the larger and more populous but weaker Great Russians trying to defeat the less numerous, but superior, "Little Russians" Ukrainian fighters.

    How much better would they be if they acted normally and gave their Russian minority normal rights and stayed neutral in the geopolitics they simply can’t win
     
    "Acted normally" - allowed a foreign country to dictate their internal and external policies.

    For you, being a lackey and collaborator, this is indeed quite normal. Capitulate without a fight and hope that someone else saves you. And maybe be sneaky and whine about it. But not for others.

    You are upset that the Ukrainians did not surrender their sovereignty without a fight, as you surely would have done. It highlights your inferiority to peoples such as Poles, Ukrainians, Finns. etc. And your parasitism vis a vis these peoples. They were the ones who prevented Hitler from winning and the ones who later caused the downfall of the Soviet system. While you benefited form their efforts. Clever, but nothing to be proud of. Your lack of gratitude, like your chronic dishonesty, speaks to your inferior character.

    Any lie is good for fighting a war.
     
    You inadvertently confess something about yourself here.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    , @Mikhail
    @Beckow

    Dig the crapola about WW II Slovakia. Dubcek and Husak weren't Nazi allied along with numerous other Slovaks. Much like how the French and for that matter the Ukrainians among others had noticeable numbers with either the Axis or Allies.

    https://www.mzv.sk/documents/10182/2369491/BROZURA_70_VYROCIE_SNP_indd.pdf/007d0f33-4aa1-4e3a-95ae-5ef5096360d3

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow

  55. Some common sense from current House majority instead of quite frequent bootlicking of Putler these days – US trade deficit will be contracting while EU dependence on capricious Kremlin schackles could be extinguished fully:

    U.S. House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has revealed he plans to promote U.S. natural gas exports at an upcoming G7 meeting. McCarthy will frame his agenda in the context of Europe buying more U.S. gas as a way for the continent to wean itself off Russian gas following its war in Ukraine.

    “If we just replace Russian natural gas with American in Europe alone for one year, we would lower 218 billion tons of CO2 emissions because our natural gas is cleaner. America would be economically stronger, our prices would be lower and the world would be safer,” McCarthy said on Fox News’s Sunday Morning Futures.
    Earlier in the current year, U.S. secretary of State Antony Blinken revealed that they had discussed with EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell regarding the U.S. and the EU’s unprecedented cooperation on energy security.

    “We share our commitment to prevent a climate catastrophe through accelerating the global clean energy transition, building resilient, secure and diversified supply chains for renewable energy, and doing it in a way that creates good paying jobs and lowers costs for people on both sides of the Atlantic,” Blinken said.

    Last year, U.S. LNG exports to Europe jumped 140%Y/Y to 56 billion cubic meters (bcm) as Europe ditched Russian gas. Also, for the first time ever, U.S. LNG exports exceeded pipeline exports of natural gas on an annual basis.

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Natural-Gas/US-LNG-Exports-to-Take-Center-Stage-At-G7-Meeting.html

    Also should be reminded that average price of RF natgas for core EU was roughly around 330$ for 1000m3 during last decade prior Covid, so current market price of 350EUR for LNG is not anyhow more costly when accounting inflation, the only problem is still existing EU LNG import facilities bottlenecks. Prior Covid EU imported roughly about 170 billion bcm from RF, so far US has managed to replace roughly third of this amount with 56 billions bcm last year.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @sudden death


    MOSCOW, Aug 29 (Reuters) - Russia's Gazprom (GAZP.MM) said on Tuesday it generated a net loss of 18.6 billion roubles ($197 million) in the second quarter of 2023 after a net profit of 1.03 trillion roubles a year earlier following the collapse of gas exports to Europe.

    Gazprom has suspended the disclosure of its exports data, but according to Reuters calculations, supplies to Europe, once its key source of earnings, were about 15 billion cubic metres (bcm) in January-July compared with 62 bcm for the whole 2022.

    "The decline in exports to Europe was partially offset by supplies to China, which continue to grow as part of contractual obligations, as well as the efficient operation of the oil business," Famil Sadygov, Gazprom's Deputy CEO, said on Telegram messaging app.

    He also said the earnings were impacted by the rouble rate, which weakened 24% against the U.S. dollar in the first six months of this year.

    The Kremlin-controlled company also said its net income for the first six months of the year fell to 296 billion roubles from 2.5 trillion roubles in January-June 2022, while its base for dividend payment reached 618 billion roubles for the period.
     

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russias-gazprom-says-it-swings-q2-net-loss-exports-europe-slump-2023-08-29/

    So in 2023 Gazprom pipeline natgas exports in EU will be roughly about 30-35 billion m3 compared with 170 billion m3 before Covid, but exports in China last year reached "record" of 15 billion m3, this year might be more, maybe 20-25 billion m3, so the overall cumulative loss of pipeline natgas export volume still remains in tune of 100 billion m3 for RF.

    Replies: @QCIC

  56. @Mikhail
    @John Johnson


    Not sure of your point.

    Are you trying to tell me the counter-offensive has been costly? Yes that seems to be the case.

    I think you might be again projecting your own fanboyism. I never once said that the counter-offensive will be a smashing success with few casualties. In fact I was critical of the US for demanding a counter-offensive. I think they should have stayed quiet and prodded at the lines. If they were doing well defensively in Bakhmut then the US/UK should have left them alone. Talk of a grand counter offensive only spurred Russia to dig in. I also think they should have waited until some of the M1s and F16s arrived. Waiting a little longer also makes it harder for Russia to counter-attack once it rains. But I also think the US is correct in that Ukraine is spreading their forces too thin and should focus on destroying supply lines to Crimea.

    Unlike Putin’s fanboys I can actually criticize everyone. I don’t have an emotional attachment to Putin or any politician for that matter. Trump Tribe here in fact would get angry when I would criticize Trump out of concern that he wouldn’t be re-elected. Well I guess their blind fanboyism won in the end. Oh wait.

    You rail against CNN which nonetheless seems to have a linking to your pro-Kiev regime/anti-Russian slant.

    CNN normally gets the weather correct.

    That doesn’t mean they are “my side” or something. The majority of the world takes the side of Ukraine. Maybe you missed the 143-5 vote against Russia.

    I rail against CNN because they are dishonest and hold too much influence over the US public. That was proven beyond a shadow of the doubt with the hunter laptop story and the 50 CIA experts nonsense. But it’s nothing specific to CNN. All major US media is garbage. Fox News is among the worst. However turning to pro-Russian sources is not the answer. It’s changing one biased source for another.

    This should be good –

    Patrick Lancaster works for Russian media. As with Ritter he takes a paycheck to be the “US military voice” for propaganda.

    Judge Napotino only interviews pro-Russian sources and never asks real questions. Napolitano is a very short man like Putin. Do short bitter men vibe off Putin? Does he fulfill some fantasy of a cruel small man getting revenge against the world?

    Serious question: Is there a publicly known US defender of Putin that is at least 5’8 and has a stable career? Without any convictions?
     

    Pragmatic advocacy on my part which is the opposite of what you spew.

    Zelensky is listed as the same height as Putin. Size is irrelevant when it comes to numerous things including opinions regarding Russia-Ukraine. Not sure of how tall Ray McGovern and Larry Johnson are. Napolitano has had on at least two people with pro-Kiev regime/anti-Russian sentiment. Much better than CNN, MSNBC and post-Tucker Fox News. You inaccurately categorize Napolitano's show with the pro-Putin designation. Are Tony Shaffer and Danny Davis "pro-Putin"? Johnson and McGovern will likely object to your simplistically inaccurate categorization.

    The majority of the world isn't supporting the collective West sanctions against Russia. Over time, more and more are realizing that the Kiev regimes is a corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced entity with blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.

    F-16s aren't a game changer for several obvious reasons.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Pragmatic advocacy on my part which is the opposite of what you spew.

    Zelensky is listed as the same height as Putin. Size is irrelevant when it comes to numerous things including opinions regarding Russia-Ukraine.

    It’s not at all irrelevant when a dictator wears shoe lifts.

    He is clearly insecure about his height if he feels the need to add 4″ heels and won’t allow himself to be photographed with tall Western women.

    Zelensky is short but has actual confidence.

    This war would not exist if Putin was 5’10. It is classic Napolean syndrome.

    I also can’t help but notice that his close associates like Medvedev and Kadyrov are also very short. Stalin also preferred short henchmen. Tall and handsome officers had no chance during the purge. Stalin was very insecure about his height and kept it a secret from the public. Russia has created quite a few short and murderous men.

    Napolitano has had on at least two people with pro-Kiev regime/anti-Russian sentiment.

    The guy is a pro-Russian hack. He sits and nods like a robot when Larry C or MacGregor ramble. A real journalist is supposed to ask questions that challenges the expert. Napolitano gives them a platform and doesn’t question any of their past claims.

    Are Tony Shaffer and Danny Davis “pro-Putin”? Johnson and McGovern will likely object to your simplistically inaccurate categorization.

    Shaffer went on his show and talked about how Russia is going to win.

    I’ve seen dozens of Napolitano interviews where he just sits there and snickers while his guest rambles about how Russia is winning. He has been doing this since the invasion.

    He has a right to softball pro-Putin guests and I have the right to call him out on it. He is a pro-Putin hack that is afraid to ask MacGregor real questions.

    The majority of the world isn’t supporting the collective West sanctions against Russia. Over time, more and more are realizing that the Kiev regimes is a corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced entity with blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.

    The majority of the world is non-White, poor to middle income and wants cheap oil from Russia. The 143-5 vote however makes it clear that the world does not view Putin’s war as justified. There were multiple votes in fact and the only consistent supporters of Putin have been dictatorships like Belarus and North Korea.

    F-16s aren’t a game changer for several obvious reasons.

    I never said they were a game changer. I’ve said that Ukraine should have waited for them and the m1s to arrive before launching a counter-offensive.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    Just like I've the right to call you out for the neocon-neolib svido troll that you are.

    On one of your many empty calories comments (have better things to do), the Kiev regime isn't in a good can wait mode regarding F-16s or any other weapon. Russia waited seven years. Russia is winning and will ultimately win.

    Replies: @sudden death, @John Johnson

  57. The Pacific cycle El Nino is in force so out comes the tropes of “warmer then average temperatures!”

    Now average is made up of all collected temperature readings, high and low, divided by the number of readings.

    I would consider a long run of average daily temperatures to be the anomaly and this would be something to be investigated!

  58. @Mikhail
    @QCIC

    How someone else put it -

    It's sad to see how the general is lying about Russia, Georgia, Iraq, Syria... It's obvious he knows that he is lying. He does not have brain to understand that it's a different time now, it's not 1970 when people could not check the facts themselves. Now it's not a problem.

    Anyway, I understand why President Eisenhower did not trust the MIC and appointed a civilian to be his Secretary of Defense.

    Active military-former military versus civilian doesn't necessarily make for a good separation from the MIC. After all, Eisenhower was former military when he made that observation. Thinking of all of the neocon chicken hawks with little if any military background, willing to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @QCIC

    I think Hodges believes in power. He strikes me as a “If you have power and don’t use it, what’s the point?”

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @QCIC

    Hodges believes in the disingenuously stated rules based international order, which allows for one side to make moves that another party can't. This very point concerns how Western mass media is very selective on its use of illegal.

  59. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Pragmatic advocacy on my part which is the opposite of what you spew.

    Zelensky is listed as the same height as Putin. Size is irrelevant when it comes to numerous things including opinions regarding Russia-Ukraine.

    It's not at all irrelevant when a dictator wears shoe lifts.

    He is clearly insecure about his height if he feels the need to add 4" heels and won't allow himself to be photographed with tall Western women.

    Zelensky is short but has actual confidence.

    This war would not exist if Putin was 5'10. It is classic Napolean syndrome.

    I also can't help but notice that his close associates like Medvedev and Kadyrov are also very short. Stalin also preferred short henchmen. Tall and handsome officers had no chance during the purge. Stalin was very insecure about his height and kept it a secret from the public. Russia has created quite a few short and murderous men.

    Napolitano has had on at least two people with pro-Kiev regime/anti-Russian sentiment.

    The guy is a pro-Russian hack. He sits and nods like a robot when Larry C or MacGregor ramble. A real journalist is supposed to ask questions that challenges the expert. Napolitano gives them a platform and doesn't question any of their past claims.

    Are Tony Shaffer and Danny Davis “pro-Putin”? Johnson and McGovern will likely object to your simplistically inaccurate categorization.

    Shaffer went on his show and talked about how Russia is going to win.

    I've seen dozens of Napolitano interviews where he just sits there and snickers while his guest rambles about how Russia is winning. He has been doing this since the invasion.

    He has a right to softball pro-Putin guests and I have the right to call him out on it. He is a pro-Putin hack that is afraid to ask MacGregor real questions.

    The majority of the world isn’t supporting the collective West sanctions against Russia. Over time, more and more are realizing that the Kiev regimes is a corrupt, lying, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced entity with blood on its hands before and after 2/24/22.

    The majority of the world is non-White, poor to middle income and wants cheap oil from Russia. The 143-5 vote however makes it clear that the world does not view Putin's war as justified. There were multiple votes in fact and the only consistent supporters of Putin have been dictatorships like Belarus and North Korea.

    F-16s aren’t a game changer for several obvious reasons.

    I never said they were a game changer. I've said that Ukraine should have waited for them and the m1s to arrive before launching a counter-offensive.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Just like I’ve the right to call you out for the neocon-neolib svido troll that you are.

    On one of your many empty calories comments (have better things to do), the Kiev regime isn’t in a good can wait mode regarding F-16s or any other weapon. Russia waited seven years. Russia is winning and will ultimately win.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Mikhail

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4t2qFkW0AAhw-k.jpg

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Just like I’ve the right to call you out for the neocon-neolib svido troll that you are.

    Neocon-neolib? Well that's a new one anyways.

    On one of your many empty calories comments (have better things to do), the Kiev regime isn’t in a good can wait mode regarding F-16s or any other weapon. Russia waited seven years. Russia is winning and will ultimately win.

    Ukraine made the mistake of launching a counter-offensive before all the hardware arrived but Russia made the bigger mistake of trying to take the entire country instead of Donbas.

    What is a win for Russia? Marching on Kiev? Putin signaled that he is no longer interested. He just wants Donbas and his "mission accomplished" banner that he can fly for State TV. They won't point out that he originally said the war is about preventing NATO expansion and Sweden/Finland joined as a result of the invasion.

    In any case the world views Putin as a loser. No reason to get personally frustrated with me over it.

    Just read the comments on any Russia/Ukraine video on youtube. The world views him as a second rate Hitler. In fact the Germans will get a break in all this. They won't be the most recent European country to have a psychopathic dictator start a needless war. Russians are the new Germans.

    Replies: @Sean, @Mikhail

  60. @QCIC
    @Mikhail

    I think Hodges believes in power. He strikes me as a "If you have power and don't use it, what's the point?"

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Hodges believes in the disingenuously stated rules based international order, which allows for one side to make moves that another party can’t. This very point concerns how Western mass media is very selective on its use of illegal.

  61. @Adept
    @John Johnson

    I was looking at this, which paints a different picture: https://cleantechnica.com/2023/02/01/plugin-electric-vehicles-get-30-share-of-auto-market-in-another-record-month-in-china/

    Replies: @QCIC

    EVs in China = Coal Powered Cars. LOL

    • LOL: John Johnson, A123
  62. @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    Just like I've the right to call you out for the neocon-neolib svido troll that you are.

    On one of your many empty calories comments (have better things to do), the Kiev regime isn't in a good can wait mode regarding F-16s or any other weapon. Russia waited seven years. Russia is winning and will ultimately win.

    Replies: @sudden death, @John Johnson

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @sudden death

    Substantiating that is another matter. PBS should be known just as BS with Christiane Amanpour as a prime example. Russia should've run out of missiles by now according to the crock that was uncritically presented awhile back. Meantime, the Kiev regime is the side more dependent on armed personnel over the age of 50 and younger than 18.

  63. @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    Just like I've the right to call you out for the neocon-neolib svido troll that you are.

    On one of your many empty calories comments (have better things to do), the Kiev regime isn't in a good can wait mode regarding F-16s or any other weapon. Russia waited seven years. Russia is winning and will ultimately win.

    Replies: @sudden death, @John Johnson

    Just like I’ve the right to call you out for the neocon-neolib svido troll that you are.

    Neocon-neolib? Well that’s a new one anyways.

    On one of your many empty calories comments (have better things to do), the Kiev regime isn’t in a good can wait mode regarding F-16s or any other weapon. Russia waited seven years. Russia is winning and will ultimately win.

    Ukraine made the mistake of launching a counter-offensive before all the hardware arrived but Russia made the bigger mistake of trying to take the entire country instead of Donbas.

    What is a win for Russia? Marching on Kiev? Putin signaled that he is no longer interested. He just wants Donbas and his “mission accomplished” banner that he can fly for State TV. They won’t point out that he originally said the war is about preventing NATO expansion and Sweden/Finland joined as a result of the invasion.

    In any case the world views Putin as a loser. No reason to get personally frustrated with me over it.

    Just read the comments on any Russia/Ukraine video on youtube. The world views him as a second rate Hitler. In fact the Germans will get a break in all this. They won’t be the most recent European country to have a psychopathic dictator start a needless war. Russians are the new Germans.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @John Johnson


    What is a win for Russia?
     
    To feel compelled to fight it is not necessary to believe you'll win.
    , @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    More like the Kiev regime are the new Nazis with their pro-Bandera tilt, increased repression and dream of wonder weapons saving them from defeat.

    Put mildly, Kiev regime controlled Ukraine not likely to get into NATO. Perhaps if it just consists of Galicia and Trans-Carpathia or a portion of that territory.

    I can understand why neocon-neolib, svido leaning folks are frustrated with the reality that the sanctions have backfired with the Kiev regime losing and being incapable of winning.

    Somewhat amusing BS:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzbGA6II0mM

    Replies: @John Johnson

  64. @John Johnson
    @Sean

    Yes, and in a couple of decades China will have worked out how to make things that will be on the cutting edge.

    China was actually supposed to dominate both the US electric vehicle and compact auto market by now if we go by past predictions. How many Chinese auto lots have you seen?

    They were also supposed to overtake the Japanese and Koreans in electronics.

    Year of the Chinese and End of the Dollar predictions are made every single year.

    Good luck to this year's contenders.

    Replies: @Adept, @Sean

    There have also been predictions of imminent Chinese collapse, and supposedly savvy speculators who lost a lot of money kinda believing it. Good luck to those shorting China in various ways. There may be a period of stagnation for China, but is the US going to be ahead in the sanction-sensitive technology in fifty years; how about thirty? Whether the US is capable of out innovating China is questionable, so effectively incentivizing their getting into key areas of production they are currently dependent on the West for is not obviously harmless in the long term. Quite apart from their ancient history and recent trajectory, China has all sorts of formidable economies of scale.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Sean

    I wonder what China are doing on AI, which threatens to make a lot of things easier (but could also destroy education for many)?

    Only just realised how much depends at present on NVidia.

    NVIDIA A100, to be exact, at £7,000 a pop on Amazon. And I thought processing power was getting cheaper!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/23/nvidias-a100-is-the-10000-chip-powering-the-race-for-ai-.html


    “A year ago we had 32 A100s,” Stability AI CEO Emad Mostaque wrote on Twitter in January. “Dream big and stack moar GPUs kids. Brrr.” Stability AI is the company that helped develop Stable Diffusion, an image generator that drew attention last fall, and reportedly has a valuation of over $1 billion.

    Now, Stability AI has access to over 5,400 A100 GPUs, according to one estimate from the State of AI report, which charts and tracks which companies and universities have the largest collection of A100 GPUs.
     
    I think the people behind ChatGPT have 10,000 of them.

    Could this be America's Wunderwaffen, it's A-bomb equivalent? I imagine a bunch of bright Chinese are beavering away at creating an equivalent or better. Or perhaps they just work at NVidia.

    Imagine a military version, trained on maps, terrain, radar sites, real-time aircraft and satellite locations, plotting launch times and routes into Russia for drones. Almost certainly exists right now. I hope Russia are thinking about this.

    Replies: @Adept, @Emil Nikola Richard, @YetAnotherAnon

  65. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Just like I’ve the right to call you out for the neocon-neolib svido troll that you are.

    Neocon-neolib? Well that's a new one anyways.

    On one of your many empty calories comments (have better things to do), the Kiev regime isn’t in a good can wait mode regarding F-16s or any other weapon. Russia waited seven years. Russia is winning and will ultimately win.

    Ukraine made the mistake of launching a counter-offensive before all the hardware arrived but Russia made the bigger mistake of trying to take the entire country instead of Donbas.

    What is a win for Russia? Marching on Kiev? Putin signaled that he is no longer interested. He just wants Donbas and his "mission accomplished" banner that he can fly for State TV. They won't point out that he originally said the war is about preventing NATO expansion and Sweden/Finland joined as a result of the invasion.

    In any case the world views Putin as a loser. No reason to get personally frustrated with me over it.

    Just read the comments on any Russia/Ukraine video on youtube. The world views him as a second rate Hitler. In fact the Germans will get a break in all this. They won't be the most recent European country to have a psychopathic dictator start a needless war. Russians are the new Germans.

    Replies: @Sean, @Mikhail

    What is a win for Russia?

    To feel compelled to fight it is not necessary to believe you’ll win.

    • Thanks: QCIC
  66. @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You are incoherent: special status is now not autonomy? Your DC example is way off - it has special status as the capital city, as do many capitals around the world. In Europe there are plenty of autonomous, specials status, territories, many federations - get a map, maybe you will find a few. Not everything is about "DC" and you...:)

    You show desperation - it is dawning on you how big a disaster this could be for Kiev and the West. How much better would they be if they acted normally and gave their Russian minority normal rights and stayed neutral in the geopolitics they simply can't win. All of these reasons will be eventually published in the West and then the nature of how disastrously provocative the neo-con policies in Ukraine have been will be well known. That is what worries you.

    But not yet, we are in the war-making mode. Morale has to be kept up. Right? Any lie is good for fighting a war.

    Replies: @AP, @Mikhail

    You are incoherent: special status is now not autonomy?

    Zelensky hoped that this would be interpreted in a way that would not cancel Ukraine’s independence. But Russia refused.

    how big a disaster this could be for Kiev and the West

    Beckow is starting to hedge a little bit – “could.”

    For Ukrainians the disasters were having Russia as a neighbor, and Putin stupidly underestimated Ukrainian resolve and launching an ill-fated invasion. Defending one’s independence was not a “disaster.” I understand that your people of course allied with the Nazis and did nothing against the Soviets, and when Putin looked to be strong you personally hoped for his victory.

    Russia is just grinding its military to dust in Ukraine. But not only there – it just lost 5% of its transport fleet in one night, due to drone attacks within Russia itself. Russia will kill a handful of civilians in retaliation, it’s all that the weak can really do. And hide behind their minefields, hoping that they aren’t breached and that in the end they can keep as much as they can of what had been stolen more than a year ago. I still give 50/50 odds of Ukraine retaking the Crimea corridor as I did many months ago. In your ignorance you didn’t think Ukrainians would fight to defend themselves, and also in your ignorance you didn’t know that Ukrainians were the best fighters amongst the eastern Slavs. You stupidly thought Soviet or Russian Empire military prowess and success was about Great Russians and called World War II a Russian victory, leading to the moronic prediction that this war would be just another easy victory of a Russian juggernaut, rather than the larger and more populous but weaker Great Russians trying to defeat the less numerous, but superior, “Little Russians” Ukrainian fighters.

    How much better would they be if they acted normally and gave their Russian minority normal rights and stayed neutral in the geopolitics they simply can’t win

    “Acted normally” – allowed a foreign country to dictate their internal and external policies.

    For you, being a lackey and collaborator, this is indeed quite normal. Capitulate without a fight and hope that someone else saves you. And maybe be sneaky and whine about it. But not for others.

    You are upset that the Ukrainians did not surrender their sovereignty without a fight, as you surely would have done. It highlights your inferiority to peoples such as Poles, Ukrainians, Finns. etc. And your parasitism vis a vis these peoples. They were the ones who prevented Hitler from winning and the ones who later caused the downfall of the Soviet system. While you benefited form their efforts. Clever, but nothing to be proud of. Your lack of gratitude, like your chronic dishonesty, speaks to your inferior character.

    Any lie is good for fighting a war.

    You inadvertently confess something about yourself here.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    You are upset that the Ukrainians did not surrender their sovereignty without a fight, as you surely would have done. It highlights your inferiority to peoples such as Poles, Ukrainians, Finns. etc. And your parasitism vis a vis these peoples. They were the ones who prevented Hitler from winning and the ones who later caused the downfall of the Soviet system. While you benefited form their efforts. Clever, but nothing to be proud of. Your lack of gratitude, like your chronic dishonesty, speaks to your inferior character.
     
    Would Poles have still fought Hitler without the Anglo-French guarantees or would they have capitulated like the Czechs and Slovaks did?

    Replies: @AP

    , @Beckow
    @AP


    Zelensky hoped that this would be interpreted in a way that would not cancel Ukraine’s independence.
     
    Did he also interpret the meaning of "we will win the war against Russia and conquer Crimea"? He is quite a creative guy, but maybe in the wrong profession now.

    Minsk didn't cancel Ukraine’s independence: it was a normal autonomy deal that exists all over Europe. You create straw-men to fight. That shows bad will, you know that your case is otherwise indefensible.


    allowed a foreign country to dictate their internal and external policies.
     
    By your definition US-EU have been dictating to all others what they can do for decades - often with bombs. Doesn't that bother you? They say it is for "human rights" and "security". Why is it different when others ask for human rights and some security? We know the answer: you are brainwashed narcissists who focus razor-sharp only on yourself and are unable to others as equal. That's why there is this war - but now you must prove your superiority. So far you have come up short.

    It highlights your inferiority to peoples such as Poles, Ukrainians,
     
    That is fascist language - get hold of yourself. You are drinking poison hoping that others will suffer - it never works that way, you only poison yourself. But I suspect you are too dumb to understand that. (On to more teary myths, crying over losses and being a lot less than what you could have been.)

    On a practical level, it is the Ukies and Poles who are swarming to live among us, begging us to let them be like us, many wanting to forget who they are, women crying, children learning a new language - all of them happily living normal lives.

    Killing and dying to keep others from speaking Russian and to join Nato to fight more wars is about as stupid and self-denying as it gets. Enjoy and don't forget a few heroic poems, that's what it is all about? Or is it? The bottomless self-hatred that is willing to destroy it all just not to be who you are? Maybe instead move to the ultimate "West", maybe Iceland? (Hey, they are also in Nato and I am sure Russian language is frowned upon there.)

    Replies: @AP

  67. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Just like I’ve the right to call you out for the neocon-neolib svido troll that you are.

    Neocon-neolib? Well that's a new one anyways.

    On one of your many empty calories comments (have better things to do), the Kiev regime isn’t in a good can wait mode regarding F-16s or any other weapon. Russia waited seven years. Russia is winning and will ultimately win.

    Ukraine made the mistake of launching a counter-offensive before all the hardware arrived but Russia made the bigger mistake of trying to take the entire country instead of Donbas.

    What is a win for Russia? Marching on Kiev? Putin signaled that he is no longer interested. He just wants Donbas and his "mission accomplished" banner that he can fly for State TV. They won't point out that he originally said the war is about preventing NATO expansion and Sweden/Finland joined as a result of the invasion.

    In any case the world views Putin as a loser. No reason to get personally frustrated with me over it.

    Just read the comments on any Russia/Ukraine video on youtube. The world views him as a second rate Hitler. In fact the Germans will get a break in all this. They won't be the most recent European country to have a psychopathic dictator start a needless war. Russians are the new Germans.

    Replies: @Sean, @Mikhail

    More like the Kiev regime are the new Nazis with their pro-Bandera tilt, increased repression and dream of wonder weapons saving them from defeat.

    Put mildly, Kiev regime controlled Ukraine not likely to get into NATO. Perhaps if it just consists of Galicia and Trans-Carpathia or a portion of that territory.

    I can understand why neocon-neolib, svido leaning folks are frustrated with the reality that the sanctions have backfired with the Kiev regime losing and being incapable of winning.

    Somewhat amusing BS:

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    More like the Kiev regime are the new Nazis with their pro-Bandera tilt, increased repression and dream of wonder weapons saving them from defeat.

    You and the Russians can keep calling them Nazis but no one is buying it.

    Where is your evidence of this pro-Bandera tilt? I've never heard a single Ukrainian politician reference Bandera. Just because something is repeated at Moon of Alabama or Russian TV doesn't make it true.

    Put mildly, Kiev regime controlled Ukraine not likely to get into NATO.

    Ukraine was not likely to get into NATO before the war and they had no intention of applying. They didn't qualify and they didn't have the votes of France or Germany. Zelensky won on a neutral platform. Putin attacked Ukraine because his time is running out and not because Ukraine was in the process of joining.

    Finland joined NATO and they have more border with Russian than Ukraine. How is that not a loss if the war is about NATO?

    Perhaps if it just consists of Galicia and Trans-Carpathia or a portion of that territory.

    So you think it is possible for Russia to march on Kiev? Is that right?

    Why hasn't Belarus joined the war if this is all such a great idea?

    Replies: @Mikhail

  68. @sudden death
    @Mikhail

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4t2qFkW0AAhw-k.jpg

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Substantiating that is another matter. PBS should be known just as BS with Christiane Amanpour as a prime example. Russia should’ve run out of missiles by now according to the crock that was uncritically presented awhile back. Meantime, the Kiev regime is the side more dependent on armed personnel over the age of 50 and younger than 18.

  69. @Beckow
    @John Johnson

    You are incoherent: special status is now not autonomy? Your DC example is way off - it has special status as the capital city, as do many capitals around the world. In Europe there are plenty of autonomous, specials status, territories, many federations - get a map, maybe you will find a few. Not everything is about "DC" and you...:)

    You show desperation - it is dawning on you how big a disaster this could be for Kiev and the West. How much better would they be if they acted normally and gave their Russian minority normal rights and stayed neutral in the geopolitics they simply can't win. All of these reasons will be eventually published in the West and then the nature of how disastrously provocative the neo-con policies in Ukraine have been will be well known. That is what worries you.

    But not yet, we are in the war-making mode. Morale has to be kept up. Right? Any lie is good for fighting a war.

    Replies: @AP, @Mikhail

    Dig the crapola about WW II Slovakia. Dubcek and Husak weren’t Nazi allied along with numerous other Slovaks. Much like how the French and for that matter the Ukrainians among others had noticeable numbers with either the Axis or Allies.

    https://www.mzv.sk/documents/10182/2369491/BROZURA_70_VYROCIE_SNP_indd.pdf/007d0f33-4aa1-4e3a-95ae-5ef5096360d3

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail

    Note that this poster, Mikhail, is a supporter of the Nazi collaborator Vlasov.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @Beckow
    @Mikhail

    In March 1939 Germans - Hitler personally - told Slovak leaders to either declare independence or be split between Hungary and Poland. They were clerical fascists, similar to people who run Poland most of the time. They took the deal and then went too far. They are despised by almost all Slovaks, like Petain in France - we have no Waffen SS marchers or Bandera stadiums. We understand WW2, AP doesn't.

    In the 1944 uprising most people fought against Germany - Minister of Defense, generals, officers, villagers...Husak was one of the leaders, Dubcek's older brother died in the fighting. People like AP understand nothing - he is driven by hatred. You can't cure hatred and with additional losses it only gets worse. They are a sorry case and they are slowly losing again.

  70. Why Retired U.S. Generals Are So Often WRONG w/Larry Johnson fmr CIA

  71. @AP
    @Beckow


    You are incoherent: special status is now not autonomy?
     
    Zelensky hoped that this would be interpreted in a way that would not cancel Ukraine's independence. But Russia refused.

    how big a disaster this could be for Kiev and the West
     
    Beckow is starting to hedge a little bit - "could."

    For Ukrainians the disasters were having Russia as a neighbor, and Putin stupidly underestimated Ukrainian resolve and launching an ill-fated invasion. Defending one's independence was not a "disaster." I understand that your people of course allied with the Nazis and did nothing against the Soviets, and when Putin looked to be strong you personally hoped for his victory.

    Russia is just grinding its military to dust in Ukraine. But not only there - it just lost 5% of its transport fleet in one night, due to drone attacks within Russia itself. Russia will kill a handful of civilians in retaliation, it's all that the weak can really do. And hide behind their minefields, hoping that they aren't breached and that in the end they can keep as much as they can of what had been stolen more than a year ago. I still give 50/50 odds of Ukraine retaking the Crimea corridor as I did many months ago. In your ignorance you didn't think Ukrainians would fight to defend themselves, and also in your ignorance you didn't know that Ukrainians were the best fighters amongst the eastern Slavs. You stupidly thought Soviet or Russian Empire military prowess and success was about Great Russians and called World War II a Russian victory, leading to the moronic prediction that this war would be just another easy victory of a Russian juggernaut, rather than the larger and more populous but weaker Great Russians trying to defeat the less numerous, but superior, "Little Russians" Ukrainian fighters.

    How much better would they be if they acted normally and gave their Russian minority normal rights and stayed neutral in the geopolitics they simply can’t win
     
    "Acted normally" - allowed a foreign country to dictate their internal and external policies.

    For you, being a lackey and collaborator, this is indeed quite normal. Capitulate without a fight and hope that someone else saves you. And maybe be sneaky and whine about it. But not for others.

    You are upset that the Ukrainians did not surrender their sovereignty without a fight, as you surely would have done. It highlights your inferiority to peoples such as Poles, Ukrainians, Finns. etc. And your parasitism vis a vis these peoples. They were the ones who prevented Hitler from winning and the ones who later caused the downfall of the Soviet system. While you benefited form their efforts. Clever, but nothing to be proud of. Your lack of gratitude, like your chronic dishonesty, speaks to your inferior character.

    Any lie is good for fighting a war.
     
    You inadvertently confess something about yourself here.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    You are upset that the Ukrainians did not surrender their sovereignty without a fight, as you surely would have done. It highlights your inferiority to peoples such as Poles, Ukrainians, Finns. etc. And your parasitism vis a vis these peoples. They were the ones who prevented Hitler from winning and the ones who later caused the downfall of the Soviet system. While you benefited form their efforts. Clever, but nothing to be proud of. Your lack of gratitude, like your chronic dishonesty, speaks to your inferior character.

    Would Poles have still fought Hitler without the Anglo-French guarantees or would they have capitulated like the Czechs and Slovaks did?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    Would Poles have still fought Hitler without the Anglo-French guarantees or would they have capitulated like the Czechs and Slovaks did?
     
    Making that alliance rather than accepting a more convenient one with Hitler who had wanted one but who was refused by Poland was itself an example of Polish “stubbornness.”

    Without Anglo-French guarantees Poland would have had pursued some other anti-German alliance. Maybe not have demanded Polish-inhabited lands back from Czechoslovakia as a condition for an alliance with that state. I doubt Poland would have voluntarily given up its lands to anyone, without a fight.

    Population ratio of Finland to USSR was worse than Germany-Poland and Finns chose to fight Soviets without an alliance.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. XYZ

  72. @Sean
    @John Johnson

    There have also been predictions of imminent Chinese collapse, and supposedly savvy speculators who lost a lot of money kinda believing it. Good luck to those shorting China in various ways. There may be a period of stagnation for China, but is the US going to be ahead in the sanction-sensitive technology in fifty years; how about thirty? Whether the US is capable of out innovating China is questionable, so effectively incentivizing their getting into key areas of production they are currently dependent on the West for is not obviously harmless in the long term. Quite apart from their ancient history and recent trajectory, China has all sorts of formidable economies of scale.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    I wonder what China are doing on AI, which threatens to make a lot of things easier (but could also destroy education for many)?

    Only just realised how much depends at present on NVidia.

    NVIDIA A100, to be exact, at £7,000 a pop on Amazon. And I thought processing power was getting cheaper!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/23/nvidias-a100-is-the-10000-chip-powering-the-race-for-ai-.html

    “A year ago we had 32 A100s,” Stability AI CEO Emad Mostaque wrote on Twitter in January. “Dream big and stack moar GPUs kids. Brrr.” Stability AI is the company that helped develop Stable Diffusion, an image generator that drew attention last fall, and reportedly has a valuation of over $1 billion.

    Now, Stability AI has access to over 5,400 A100 GPUs, according to one estimate from the State of AI report, which charts and tracks which companies and universities have the largest collection of A100 GPUs.

    I think the people behind ChatGPT have 10,000 of them.

    Could this be America’s Wunderwaffen, it’s A-bomb equivalent? I imagine a bunch of bright Chinese are beavering away at creating an equivalent or better. Or perhaps they just work at NVidia.

    Imagine a military version, trained on maps, terrain, radar sites, real-time aircraft and satellite locations, plotting launch times and routes into Russia for drones. Almost certainly exists right now. I hope Russia are thinking about this.

    • Replies: @Adept
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Working on domestic GPU development, which has been making great progress of late if this is to be believed: https://www.techspot.com/news/99948-huawei-alleged-have-ai-gpu-matches-nvidia-a100.html


    America’s Wunderwaffen
     
    The A100 is made at TSMC, in Taiwan. Whether it can viably be made in America -- with its diverse workforce and anti-discrimination laws -- is an open question.
    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Could this be America’s Wunderwaffen, it’s A-bomb equivalent?
     
    Yes Wunderwaffen.

    No A-bomb.

    More like Haunebu.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Naziufo-large.png
    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @YetAnotherAnon

    I'm behind the tech, the P100 at $30k seems to be the thing, and the big tech companies are snaffling them all!

    https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/29/googles-new-a3-gpu-supercomputer-with-nvidia-h100-gpus-will-be-generally-available-next-month


    "Despite their $30,000+ price, Nvidia’s H100 GPUs are a hot commodity — to the point where they are typically back-ordered. Earlier this year, Google Cloud announced the private preview launch of its H100-powered A3 GPU virtual machines, which combines Nvidia’s chips with Google’s custom-designed 200 Gpbs Infrastructure Processing Units (IPUs). Now, at its Cloud Next conference, Google announced that it will launch the A3 into general availability next month."
     
    https://www.techspot.com/news/99903-ai-surge-propels-nvidia-revenue-staggering-135-billion.html

    AI surge propels Nvidia's revenue to a staggering $13.5 billion
     
    The new chips have 80 billion transistors. Mind, a modern £110 CPU can have 11 billion.
  73. Two little news items

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/30/eu-fossil-fuel-burning-for-electricity-fell-to-lowest-on-record-in-2023-data-shows

    The European Union is stoking its power plants with fewer lumps of coal and barrels of oil and gas than it has ever recorded, data shows.

    The 27 member states burned 17% less fossil fuel to make electricity between January and June 2023 than over the same period the year before, a study from the clean energy thinktank Ember found. The EU made 410TWh of electricity from sources that release planet-heating gases, which analysts say is the lowest level since 2015 – the first year for which they have monthly data – and “very likely” since 2000.

    The drop in fossil fuel generation was driven by a fall in demand for electricity, as well as some growth in clean power, the study found.

    “We’re glad to see fossil fuels down, but in the long-term it is not going to be sustainable to rely on the fall in demand to do this,” said Matt Ewen, a data analyst at Ember and author of the report. “We have to be replacing this energy rather than just expecting it to go away and not be used.”

    If you whack up the price, demand will fall.

    Ctrl-F “Nord Stream” returns nothing, what a surprise!

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/29/china-coal-plants-climate-goals-carbon

    …after regional power crunches in 2022, China started a spree of approving new projects and restarting suspended ones. In 2022 the government approved a record-breaking 86 gigawatts (GW) of new coal-fired power capacity. One gigawatt is the equivalent of a large coal power plant.

    This run of approvals is continuing, potentially on track to break last year’s record

    … in the first half of 2023, authorities granted approvals for 52GW of new coal power, began construction on 37GW of new coal power, announced 41GW-worth of new projects, and revived 8GW of previously shelved projects. It said about half of the plants permitted in 2022 had started construction by summer.

    China is the world’s biggest carbon emitter, contributing almost a third of the world’s greenhouse gases in 2020.

    They’ll use the cheap coal to sell expensive panels, storage batteries and windmills to the EU, not to mention powering the BASF plants moved from Germany.

    • Replies: @A123
    @YetAnotherAnon



    In 2022 the [Chinese] government approved a record-breaking 86 gigawatts (GW) of new coal-fired power capacity. One gigawatt is the equivalent of a large coal power plant.
     
    They’ll use the cheap coal to sell expensive panels, storage batteries and windmills to the EU, not to mention powering the BASF plants moved from Germany.
     
    Not-The-President Biden's ill conceived "Inflation Reduction Act" insists on making these in the America. This has to be among the worst New Deal efforts ever, but at least there is some domestic job creation.

    America is being unintentionally saved from the scourge of wind & solar largely by power grid limitations. These inefficient methods require specific geography often well away from population centers. There is now an ~10 year wait to add new intermittent sources to the grid across much of the country.
    ___

    The first new nuclear plants in the U.S. Vogtle 3 has opened. Unit 4 is loading fuel and will soon join its sibling (1)

    August 17, 2023

    Georgia Power announced today the process to load fuel into the Vogtle Unit 4 reactor core has begun at Plant Vogtle near Waynesboro, Ga. Loading fuel marks a pivotal milestone toward startup and commercial operation of the second new unit at Plant Vogtle. Vogtle Unit 3 – the first newly-constructed nuclear unit in the U.S. in more than 30 years – entered commercial operation on July 31, and is providing customers and the State of Georgia with reliable, emissions-free energy.
     
    Each unit will supply 1.1 Gigawatts of carbon free electricity for at least 40 and up to 80 years.

    The construction of Vogtle 3&4 were screwed up by government design changes after concrete was already poured. Then the prime contractor went bankrupt. Hopefully, this will push the industry towards Small Modular Reactors [SMR] that come with less project completion risk.

    Nuclear is the future, not wind and solar.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.georgiapower.com/company/news-center/2023-articles/vogtle-unit-4-starts-nuclear-fuel-load.html

    Replies: @John Johnson

  74. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Sean

    I wonder what China are doing on AI, which threatens to make a lot of things easier (but could also destroy education for many)?

    Only just realised how much depends at present on NVidia.

    NVIDIA A100, to be exact, at £7,000 a pop on Amazon. And I thought processing power was getting cheaper!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/23/nvidias-a100-is-the-10000-chip-powering-the-race-for-ai-.html


    “A year ago we had 32 A100s,” Stability AI CEO Emad Mostaque wrote on Twitter in January. “Dream big and stack moar GPUs kids. Brrr.” Stability AI is the company that helped develop Stable Diffusion, an image generator that drew attention last fall, and reportedly has a valuation of over $1 billion.

    Now, Stability AI has access to over 5,400 A100 GPUs, according to one estimate from the State of AI report, which charts and tracks which companies and universities have the largest collection of A100 GPUs.
     
    I think the people behind ChatGPT have 10,000 of them.

    Could this be America's Wunderwaffen, it's A-bomb equivalent? I imagine a bunch of bright Chinese are beavering away at creating an equivalent or better. Or perhaps they just work at NVidia.

    Imagine a military version, trained on maps, terrain, radar sites, real-time aircraft and satellite locations, plotting launch times and routes into Russia for drones. Almost certainly exists right now. I hope Russia are thinking about this.

    Replies: @Adept, @Emil Nikola Richard, @YetAnotherAnon

    Working on domestic GPU development, which has been making great progress of late if this is to be believed: https://www.techspot.com/news/99948-huawei-alleged-have-ai-gpu-matches-nvidia-a100.html

    America’s Wunderwaffen

    The A100 is made at TSMC, in Taiwan. Whether it can viably be made in America — with its diverse workforce and anti-discrimination laws — is an open question.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
  75. @sudden death
    Some common sense from current House majority instead of quite frequent bootlicking of Putler these days - US trade deficit will be contracting while EU dependence on capricious Kremlin schackles could be extinguished fully:

    U.S. House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has revealed he plans to promote U.S. natural gas exports at an upcoming G7 meeting. McCarthy will frame his agenda in the context of Europe buying more U.S. gas as a way for the continent to wean itself off Russian gas following its war in Ukraine.

    “If we just replace Russian natural gas with American in Europe alone for one year, we would lower 218 billion tons of CO2 emissions because our natural gas is cleaner. America would be economically stronger, our prices would be lower and the world would be safer,” McCarthy said on Fox News’s Sunday Morning Futures.
    Earlier in the current year, U.S. secretary of State Antony Blinken revealed that they had discussed with EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell regarding the U.S. and the EU's unprecedented cooperation on energy security.

    "We share our commitment to prevent a climate catastrophe through accelerating the global clean energy transition, building resilient, secure and diversified supply chains for renewable energy, and doing it in a way that creates good paying jobs and lowers costs for people on both sides of the Atlantic," Blinken said.

    Last year, U.S. LNG exports to Europe jumped 140%Y/Y to 56 billion cubic meters (bcm) as Europe ditched Russian gas. Also, for the first time ever, U.S. LNG exports exceeded pipeline exports of natural gas on an annual basis.
     

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Natural-Gas/US-LNG-Exports-to-Take-Center-Stage-At-G7-Meeting.html

    Also should be reminded that average price of RF natgas for core EU was roughly around 330$ for 1000m3 during last decade prior Covid, so current market price of 350EUR for LNG is not anyhow more costly when accounting inflation, the only problem is still existing EU LNG import facilities bottlenecks. Prior Covid EU imported roughly about 170 billion bcm from RF, so far US has managed to replace roughly third of this amount with 56 billions bcm last year.

    Replies: @sudden death

    MOSCOW, Aug 29 (Reuters) – Russia’s Gazprom (GAZP.MM) said on Tuesday it generated a net loss of 18.6 billion roubles ($197 million) in the second quarter of 2023 after a net profit of 1.03 trillion roubles a year earlier following the collapse of gas exports to Europe.

    Gazprom has suspended the disclosure of its exports data, but according to Reuters calculations, supplies to Europe, once its key source of earnings, were about 15 billion cubic metres (bcm) in January-July compared with 62 bcm for the whole 2022.

    “The decline in exports to Europe was partially offset by supplies to China, which continue to grow as part of contractual obligations, as well as the efficient operation of the oil business,” Famil Sadygov, Gazprom’s Deputy CEO, said on Telegram messaging app.

    He also said the earnings were impacted by the rouble rate, which weakened 24% against the U.S. dollar in the first six months of this year.

    The Kremlin-controlled company also said its net income for the first six months of the year fell to 296 billion roubles from 2.5 trillion roubles in January-June 2022, while its base for dividend payment reached 618 billion roubles for the period.

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russias-gazprom-says-it-swings-q2-net-loss-exports-europe-slump-2023-08-29/

    So in 2023 Gazprom pipeline natgas exports in EU will be roughly about 30-35 billion m3 compared with 170 billion m3 before Covid, but exports in China last year reached “record” of 15 billion m3, this year might be more, maybe 20-25 billion m3, so the overall cumulative loss of pipeline natgas export volume still remains in tune of 100 billion m3 for RF.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @sudden death

    I think this was expected from day 1 of the SMO. In the short run it is impossible to sell more gas if the available pipelines are full. Does Gazprom also sell gas inside Russia?

    I wonder how much natural gas Russia is supplying to Ukraine these days?

    I read that Russia is still supplying significant amounts of uranium to the USA but have not confirmed the details.

  76. @Mikhail
    @Beckow

    Dig the crapola about WW II Slovakia. Dubcek and Husak weren't Nazi allied along with numerous other Slovaks. Much like how the French and for that matter the Ukrainians among others had noticeable numbers with either the Axis or Allies.

    https://www.mzv.sk/documents/10182/2369491/BROZURA_70_VYROCIE_SNP_indd.pdf/007d0f33-4aa1-4e3a-95ae-5ef5096360d3

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow

    Note that this poster, Mikhail, is a supporter of the Nazi collaborator Vlasov.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP

    Note that idiot poster AP doesn't distinguish between those among the Nazi supported (to whatever degree) and their opponents. The USSR was on the Allied side but brutally totalitarian. Conversely, Vlasov's army didn't come close to having the negative baggage of Bandera's forces.

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/16122019-czech-russian-relations-and-the-roa-conflicting-historical-narratives-analysis/

    Replies: @AP

  77. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    You are upset that the Ukrainians did not surrender their sovereignty without a fight, as you surely would have done. It highlights your inferiority to peoples such as Poles, Ukrainians, Finns. etc. And your parasitism vis a vis these peoples. They were the ones who prevented Hitler from winning and the ones who later caused the downfall of the Soviet system. While you benefited form their efforts. Clever, but nothing to be proud of. Your lack of gratitude, like your chronic dishonesty, speaks to your inferior character.
     
    Would Poles have still fought Hitler without the Anglo-French guarantees or would they have capitulated like the Czechs and Slovaks did?

    Replies: @AP

    Would Poles have still fought Hitler without the Anglo-French guarantees or would they have capitulated like the Czechs and Slovaks did?

    Making that alliance rather than accepting a more convenient one with Hitler who had wanted one but who was refused by Poland was itself an example of Polish “stubbornness.”

    Without Anglo-French guarantees Poland would have had pursued some other anti-German alliance. Maybe not have demanded Polish-inhabited lands back from Czechoslovakia as a condition for an alliance with that state. I doubt Poland would have voluntarily given up its lands to anyone, without a fight.

    Population ratio of Finland to USSR was worse than Germany-Poland and Finns chose to fight Soviets without an alliance.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP


    Population ratio of Finland to USSR was worse than Germany-Poland and Finns chose to fight Soviets without an alliance.
     
    As was their choice, the Finns refused a land swap agreement to avert war. The Soviets (Stalin in particular) sensed Finland would be a Nazi ally in a Nazi-Soviet war. Molotov-Ribbentrop was signed as a pause in conjunction wit the Soviets not ready to successfully combat Nazi Germany. On the subject of Stalin, the Military History Channel runs a documentary on best wartime leaders. Roosevelt number 6, Hitler at 5, Ho Chi Minh 4, Churchill 3, Mao 2 and Stalin 1.
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Making that alliance rather than accepting a more convenient one with Hitler who had wanted one but who was refused by Poland was itself an example of Polish “stubbornness.”
     
    Yep, but one indeed has to wonder whether Poland would have been better off trying to make a deal with Hitler. Millions of Polish citizens perished in WWII, after all. Had Poland allied with Hitler, ethnic Poles could have fared much better, and ditto for Polish Jews since Hitler gave his loyal allies more leeway in dealing with their Jewish problem than he gave to his enemies. A Nazi alliance would have been an especially good thing for Poland had Poland not been asked to participate in a Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union and had Poland not been asked to engage in either mass murder or forced sterilizations by the Nazis.

    Such a scenario would have been worse for the Soviets in the medium-term, but I'm unsure about the short-term or the long-term because the Soviets might not have been as bled dry in this scenario and I also don't know just how capable the Nazis would be in regards to holding onto the Soviet Union indefinitely without a large-scale permanent Nazi troop presence there. And mass deportations of tens of millions of Slavs are going to be quite logistically challenging to execute in and of themselves. Though Soviet Jews would get deported en masse to Siberia or Central Asia or wherever rather than having millions of them get murdered, most likely.


    Without Anglo-French guarantees Poland would have had pursued some other anti-German alliance. Maybe not have demanded Polish-inhabited lands back from Czechoslovakia as a condition for an alliance with that state. I doubt Poland would have voluntarily given up its lands to anyone, without a fight.
     
    Danzig was not Polish territory and thus could have been given up without sacrificing Poland's territorial integrity. Hitler did not demand the Polish Corridor before Poland accepted the British Guarantee. Rather, Hitler simply wanted an elevated extraterritorial road through the Polish Corridor, according to what I have read on the Axis History Forum. Similar to this:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Yan%27an_Elevated_Road_Huashan_Road_Jingan_Park.jpeg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elevated_highway

    Danzig and an elevated road through the Polish Corridor were reasonable Nazi demands, frankly. Poland already had its own port at Gdynia by then and the Nazis were apparently willing to give Poland trading rights at Danzig as well.


    Population ratio of Finland to USSR was worse than Germany-Poland and Finns chose to fight Soviets without an alliance.
     
    TBF, the Soviets killed millions during peacetime (either directly or indirectly), whereas the Nazis did not. That probably made Soviet occupation seem more intolerable relative to Nazi occupation, before one could actually foresee the Holocaust. Nazi occupation in Czechia pre-WWII was probably brutal but nevertheless did not involve mass murder yet. Finns, on the other hand, could have quite reasonably expected the mass murder or at least the gulagization of anyone who resisted any new Soviet-imposed Communist order in Finland.

    Interestingly enough, since Poland decided to resist the Nazis, allying with both the Anglo-French and the Soviet Union would have probably been the best move. At the very least, Poland could have asked for written guarantees from the Anglo-French that they would be willing to fight the Soviet Union if the Soviet Union would have refused to withdraw from Poland after an Allied victory over Nazi Germany. Simultaneously pissing off both of its powerful neighbors was not a smart move for Poland!

    As for Teschen, I think that Poland unnecessarily made a big deal out of it. AFAIK, a major railroad ran through there, so it made sense for Czechoslovakia to want it and to want to keep it. Once Czechoslovakia gave territory to Nazi Germany, I could understand why Poland would want its own small share, but Poland should not have made the return of Teschen a precondition for an alliance with Czechoslovakia beforehand.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  78. @AP
    @Mikhail

    Note that this poster, Mikhail, is a supporter of the Nazi collaborator Vlasov.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Note that idiot poster AP doesn’t distinguish between those among the Nazi supported (to whatever degree) and their opponents. The USSR was on the Allied side but brutally totalitarian. Conversely, Vlasov’s army didn’t come close to having the negative baggage of Bandera’s forces.

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/16122019-czech-russian-relations-and-the-roa-conflicting-historical-narratives-analysis/

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail

    You are a supporter of the Nazi collaborator Vlasov. So it’s just funny when you accuse and criticize others of collaborating with the Nazis.

    Replies: @A123

  79. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    Would Poles have still fought Hitler without the Anglo-French guarantees or would they have capitulated like the Czechs and Slovaks did?
     
    Making that alliance rather than accepting a more convenient one with Hitler who had wanted one but who was refused by Poland was itself an example of Polish “stubbornness.”

    Without Anglo-French guarantees Poland would have had pursued some other anti-German alliance. Maybe not have demanded Polish-inhabited lands back from Czechoslovakia as a condition for an alliance with that state. I doubt Poland would have voluntarily given up its lands to anyone, without a fight.

    Population ratio of Finland to USSR was worse than Germany-Poland and Finns chose to fight Soviets without an alliance.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. XYZ

    Population ratio of Finland to USSR was worse than Germany-Poland and Finns chose to fight Soviets without an alliance.

    As was their choice, the Finns refused a land swap agreement to avert war. The Soviets (Stalin in particular) sensed Finland would be a Nazi ally in a Nazi-Soviet war. Molotov-Ribbentrop was signed as a pause in conjunction wit the Soviets not ready to successfully combat Nazi Germany. On the subject of Stalin, the Military History Channel runs a documentary on best wartime leaders. Roosevelt number 6, Hitler at 5, Ho Chi Minh 4, Churchill 3, Mao 2 and Stalin 1.

  80. @YetAnotherAnon
    Two little news items

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/30/eu-fossil-fuel-burning-for-electricity-fell-to-lowest-on-record-in-2023-data-shows


    The European Union is stoking its power plants with fewer lumps of coal and barrels of oil and gas than it has ever recorded, data shows.

    The 27 member states burned 17% less fossil fuel to make electricity between January and June 2023 than over the same period the year before, a study from the clean energy thinktank Ember found. The EU made 410TWh of electricity from sources that release planet-heating gases, which analysts say is the lowest level since 2015 – the first year for which they have monthly data – and “very likely” since 2000.

    The drop in fossil fuel generation was driven by a fall in demand for electricity, as well as some growth in clean power, the study found.

    “We’re glad to see fossil fuels down, but in the long-term it is not going to be sustainable to rely on the fall in demand to do this,” said Matt Ewen, a data analyst at Ember and author of the report. “We have to be replacing this energy rather than just expecting it to go away and not be used.”
     

    If you whack up the price, demand will fall.

    Ctrl-F "Nord Stream" returns nothing, what a surprise!

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/29/china-coal-plants-climate-goals-carbon


    …after regional power crunches in 2022, China started a spree of approving new projects and restarting suspended ones. In 2022 the government approved a record-breaking 86 gigawatts (GW) of new coal-fired power capacity. One gigawatt is the equivalent of a large coal power plant.

    This run of approvals is continuing, potentially on track to break last year’s record

    … in the first half of 2023, authorities granted approvals for 52GW of new coal power, began construction on 37GW of new coal power, announced 41GW-worth of new projects, and revived 8GW of previously shelved projects. It said about half of the plants permitted in 2022 had started construction by summer.

    China is the world’s biggest carbon emitter, contributing almost a third of the world’s greenhouse gases in 2020.
     

    They’ll use the cheap coal to sell expensive panels, storage batteries and windmills to the EU, not to mention powering the BASF plants moved from Germany.

    Replies: @A123

    In 2022 the [Chinese] government approved a record-breaking 86 gigawatts (GW) of new coal-fired power capacity. One gigawatt is the equivalent of a large coal power plant.

    They’ll use the cheap coal to sell expensive panels, storage batteries and windmills to the EU, not to mention powering the BASF plants moved from Germany.

    Not-The-President Biden’s ill conceived “Inflation Reduction Act” insists on making these in the America. This has to be among the worst New Deal efforts ever, but at least there is some domestic job creation.

    America is being unintentionally saved from the scourge of wind & solar largely by power grid limitations. These inefficient methods require specific geography often well away from population centers. There is now an ~10 year wait to add new intermittent sources to the grid across much of the country.
    ___

    The first new nuclear plants in the U.S. Vogtle 3 has opened. Unit 4 is loading fuel and will soon join its sibling (1)

    August 17, 2023

    Georgia Power announced today the process to load fuel into the Vogtle Unit 4 reactor core has begun at Plant Vogtle near Waynesboro, Ga. Loading fuel marks a pivotal milestone toward startup and commercial operation of the second new unit at Plant Vogtle. Vogtle Unit 3 – the first newly-constructed nuclear unit in the U.S. in more than 30 years – entered commercial operation on July 31, and is providing customers and the State of Georgia with reliable, emissions-free energy.

    Each unit will supply 1.1 Gigawatts of carbon free electricity for at least 40 and up to 80 years.

    The construction of Vogtle 3&4 were screwed up by government design changes after concrete was already poured. Then the prime contractor went bankrupt. Hopefully, this will push the industry towards Small Modular Reactors [SMR] that come with less project completion risk.

    Nuclear is the future, not wind and solar.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.georgiapower.com/company/news-center/2023-articles/vogtle-unit-4-starts-nuclear-fuel-load.html

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @A123

    Nuclear is the future, not wind and solar.

    Not in America.

    We have only had 6 new reactors come online since 1990

    Nuclear is a waste of time in America.

    Democrats don't like them and Republicans don't want "big government" aka the Feds to build them.

    Utility companies risk endless lawsuits when trying to build one. Solar, wind and natural gas are safer.

    Solar efficiency will have increased 50% by the time nuclear advocates get ONE new plant built. The South is the ideal place for new reactors and most of their Republicans don't give a flying F if they burn natural gas and most believe in the apocalypse anyways. Meaning this world is temporary so no need to spend time on trying to get a nuke plant built. Better to golf and pray.

  81. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Sean

    I wonder what China are doing on AI, which threatens to make a lot of things easier (but could also destroy education for many)?

    Only just realised how much depends at present on NVidia.

    NVIDIA A100, to be exact, at £7,000 a pop on Amazon. And I thought processing power was getting cheaper!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/23/nvidias-a100-is-the-10000-chip-powering-the-race-for-ai-.html


    “A year ago we had 32 A100s,” Stability AI CEO Emad Mostaque wrote on Twitter in January. “Dream big and stack moar GPUs kids. Brrr.” Stability AI is the company that helped develop Stable Diffusion, an image generator that drew attention last fall, and reportedly has a valuation of over $1 billion.

    Now, Stability AI has access to over 5,400 A100 GPUs, according to one estimate from the State of AI report, which charts and tracks which companies and universities have the largest collection of A100 GPUs.
     
    I think the people behind ChatGPT have 10,000 of them.

    Could this be America's Wunderwaffen, it's A-bomb equivalent? I imagine a bunch of bright Chinese are beavering away at creating an equivalent or better. Or perhaps they just work at NVidia.

    Imagine a military version, trained on maps, terrain, radar sites, real-time aircraft and satellite locations, plotting launch times and routes into Russia for drones. Almost certainly exists right now. I hope Russia are thinking about this.

    Replies: @Adept, @Emil Nikola Richard, @YetAnotherAnon

    Could this be America’s Wunderwaffen, it’s A-bomb equivalent?

    Yes Wunderwaffen.

    No A-bomb.

    More like Haunebu.

  82. @Mikhail
    @AP

    Note that idiot poster AP doesn't distinguish between those among the Nazi supported (to whatever degree) and their opponents. The USSR was on the Allied side but brutally totalitarian. Conversely, Vlasov's army didn't come close to having the negative baggage of Bandera's forces.

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/16122019-czech-russian-relations-and-the-roa-conflicting-historical-narratives-analysis/

    Replies: @AP

    You are a supporter of the Nazi collaborator Vlasov. So it’s just funny when you accuse and criticize others of collaborating with the Nazis.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AP

    You are a supporter of the Azov neo-Nazi collaborator Zelensky. So it’s just funny when you accuse and criticize others of collaborating with the Nazis.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death, @AP, @Mikhail

  83. @AP
    @Mikhail

    You are a supporter of the Nazi collaborator Vlasov. So it’s just funny when you accuse and criticize others of collaborating with the Nazis.

    Replies: @A123

    You are a supporter of the Azov neo-Nazi collaborator Zelensky. So it’s just funny when you accuse and criticize others of collaborating with the Nazis.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @A123

    Says the supporter of Charlotsville rallies supporting president Trump - guess that's quite funny too;)

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Charlottesville_%27Unite_the_Right%27_Rally_%2835780274914%29_crop.jpg

    Replies: @A123

    , @AP
    @A123

    Azov are not as Nazi as Hitler, and Vlasov whom Mikhail is a supporter of placed himself under Nazi command whereas Zelensky did not place himself under Azov command.

    Thanks for voluntarily showing your ignorance though.

    Btw, any Nazis supporting Trump?

    Replies: @A123, @Mikhail

    , @Mikhail
    @A123

    He's a cyber dumbbell with an autistic trait.

  84. @John Johnson
    @Beckow

    Kiev lost the war against Donbas in 2014-15 and signed Minsk to get out of the total defeat. There is no “Russian interpretation of Minsk” – it is 1-page treaty that Donbas gets an autonomy within Ukraine. Kiev simply refused to implement it and instead armed heavily with Nato.

    How would Kiev be at near total defeat in 2014-2015 if the fighting was almost entirely by militias?

    Here is the Minsk agreement and I'm not seeing anything that says Donbas gets autonomy:
    https://www.unian.info/politics/1043394-minsk-agreement-full-text-in-english.html

    Which point are you referring to?

    If the invasion is about Minsk then why didn't Russia simply move forces to the LPR/DPR lines? Why were they trying to take Kiev in a brutal invasion?

    You do acknowledge that Russia is currently fighting for territory that was not part of the Minsk agreement?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean

    How would Kiev be at near total defeat in 2014-2015 if the fighting was almost entirely by militias?

    The rebels were losing and to rescue the situation a couple of formed up battalion tactical groups of the Russian army crossed the border and cut a swath though Ukraine, leading Kiev to agree to Minsk in order to stop the rout of their forces. When Ukraine began dragging their heels Germany and France brokered Minsk2 , and Merkel said that the objective of it was to stop the Russians military going into action again before Ukraine had built up their forces to a reasonable level.

    Here is the Minsk agreement and I’m not seeing anything that says Donbas gets autonomy:

    Far more autonomy that they had before, and crucially what was in effect an East Donbass veto over Ukraine ever joining Nato

    If the invasion is about Minsk then why didn’t Russia simply move forces to the LPR/DPR lines? Why were they trying to take Kiev in a brutal invasion?

    In 2015 Russia could rely on the threat of it making huge inroads into Ukrainian territory with a few battalion tactical groups and staying there, because Ukraine was lacking in weapons and determined leadership. The position did not alter much even after there was a widespread perception that Trump had kept back arms from Ukraine.

    Biden entering the White House and back when he was VP Biden had been a super Hawk on Ukraine as was Blinken, so when Biden became president he initiated an acceleration of US arms to Ukraine, which had much more resolute professional officers leading it. The capabilities of Ukraine had by 2021 increased greatly and were continuing to improve , which was an ongoing erosion of Russia’s ability to present a meaningful and valid threat to initiate either a limited or full scale invasion and landgrab. Doing nothing was losing Russia its wedge of military dominance Russia decided Ukraine was not going to compromise and was begining to be a match for Russia, so it was now or never. That is a long winded way of saying that Russia’s preferred solution was not invading Ukraine but threatening to do so as a means to the end of sidelining Ukraine’s Nato ambitions. Biden’s policy obviated Russia’s policy of hybrid pressure, so there was no choice but to do what was only threatened and use the full scale invasion option before it completely disappeared.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Sean


    How would Kiev be at near total defeat in 2014-2015 if the fighting was almost entirely by militias?
     
    The rebels were losing and to rescue the situation a couple of formed up battalion tactical groups of the Russian army crossed the border and cut a swath though Ukraine, leading Kiev to agree to Minsk in order to stop the rout of their forces.

    Not even 2.5% of Ukrainian forces were used. It was mostly militia fighting by both sides.

    This is one of the largest battles and only 200 Ukrainians soldiers/militia men were killed:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Donetsk_Airport

    Ukraine was trying to minimize the fighting on both sides. They made the mistake of not hammering Donbas hard to being with. Same mistake they made with Crimea.

    Not sending in a serious AFU force was the mistake. To suggest that they were near defeat is ridiculous. They had over 1 million infantry that were not involved. Ukraine made the mistake of thinking they could make peace with a region that was being undermined by Russia.


    Here is the Minsk agreement and I’m not seeing anything that says Donbas gets autonomy:
     
    Far more autonomy that they had before, and crucially what was in effect an East Donbass veto over Ukraine ever joining Nato

    So you acknowledge that an unresolved border disqualified them from applying to NATO? Then why did Putin claim that he had to invade because of NATO?


    If the invasion is about Minsk then why didn’t Russia simply move forces to the LPR/DPR lines? Why were they trying to take Kiev in a brutal invasion?
     
    In 2015 Russia could rely on the threat of it making huge inroads into Ukrainian territory with a few battalion tactical groups and staying there, because Ukraine was lacking in weapons and determined leadership.

    I'm talking about 2022. Why not send the same force to Donbas and dig in? Why was he trying to take the whole country?

    That is a long winded way of saying that Russia’s preferred solution was not invading Ukraine but threatening to do so as a means to the end of sidelining Ukraine’s Nato ambitions.

    The preferred solution was to not invade over NATO even though Ukraine didn't qualify because of Donbas? Which means the preferred solution was working and an invasion wasn't needed.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @Mikel
    @Sean


    crucially what was in effect an East Donbass veto over Ukraine ever joining Nato
     
    I have never doubted AP and others when they said that but in reality that point was never part of the Minsk Agreements themselves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements

    So I'm not sure where it comes from. With Minsk-2 in place, as I hoped Zelensky would achieve, parts of Donbas would get a special self-government status inside of Ukraine and Ukraine would recover control of the border with Russia but I don't see how an autonomous Donbas could ever hope to prevent Kiev from signing multinational treaties.

    Replies: @AP

  85. @A123
    @AP

    You are a supporter of the Azov neo-Nazi collaborator Zelensky. So it’s just funny when you accuse and criticize others of collaborating with the Nazis.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death, @AP, @Mikhail

    Says the supporter of Charlotsville rallies supporting president Trump – guess that’s quite funny too;)

    • Replies: @A123
    @sudden death

    You are confusing me with someone else.... How very Nazi of you.

    Did you place your Swastika band on your neck instead of arm? It seems to be cutting off oxygen to your brain.

    Let me offer you some free life advice -- Be Less Fascist.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death

  86. @sudden death
    @A123

    Says the supporter of Charlotsville rallies supporting president Trump - guess that's quite funny too;)

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Charlottesville_%27Unite_the_Right%27_Rally_%2835780274914%29_crop.jpg

    Replies: @A123

    You are confusing me with someone else…. How very Nazi of you.

    Did you place your Swastika band on your neck instead of arm? It seems to be cutting off oxygen to your brain.

    Let me offer you some free life advice — Be Less Fascist.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @A123

    You've stopped supporting Trump? That would be some new flash development indeed, which is excusable reason to be out of the loop;)

    Replies: @A123

  87. @A123
    @sudden death

    You are confusing me with someone else.... How very Nazi of you.

    Did you place your Swastika band on your neck instead of arm? It seems to be cutting off oxygen to your brain.

    Let me offer you some free life advice -- Be Less Fascist.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death

    You’ve stopped supporting Trump? That would be some new flash development indeed, which is excusable reason to be out of the loop;)

    • Replies: @A123
    @sudden death

    I continue to support Trump.

    You support the Charlotte Nazis. Why are you such a Zelensky/Hitler fan boy? ;)

    PEACE 😇

  88. @sudden death
    @A123

    You've stopped supporting Trump? That would be some new flash development indeed, which is excusable reason to be out of the loop;)

    Replies: @A123

    I continue to support Trump.

    You support the Charlotte Nazis. Why are you such a Zelensky/Hitler fan boy? 😉

    PEACE 😇

  89. @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    More like the Kiev regime are the new Nazis with their pro-Bandera tilt, increased repression and dream of wonder weapons saving them from defeat.

    Put mildly, Kiev regime controlled Ukraine not likely to get into NATO. Perhaps if it just consists of Galicia and Trans-Carpathia or a portion of that territory.

    I can understand why neocon-neolib, svido leaning folks are frustrated with the reality that the sanctions have backfired with the Kiev regime losing and being incapable of winning.

    Somewhat amusing BS:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzbGA6II0mM

    Replies: @John Johnson

    More like the Kiev regime are the new Nazis with their pro-Bandera tilt, increased repression and dream of wonder weapons saving them from defeat.

    You and the Russians can keep calling them Nazis but no one is buying it.

    Where is your evidence of this pro-Bandera tilt? I’ve never heard a single Ukrainian politician reference Bandera. Just because something is repeated at Moon of Alabama or Russian TV doesn’t make it true.

    Put mildly, Kiev regime controlled Ukraine not likely to get into NATO.

    Ukraine was not likely to get into NATO before the war and they had no intention of applying. They didn’t qualify and they didn’t have the votes of France or Germany. Zelensky won on a neutral platform. Putin attacked Ukraine because his time is running out and not because Ukraine was in the process of joining.

    Finland joined NATO and they have more border with Russian than Ukraine. How is that not a loss if the war is about NATO?

    Perhaps if it just consists of Galicia and Trans-Carpathia or a portion of that territory.

    So you think it is possible for Russia to march on Kiev? Is that right?

    Why hasn’t Belarus joined the war if this is all such a great idea?

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    You reveal your sheer ignorance on this one regarding Bandera and neo-Nazi influence in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine. On another dopey point of yours, Patrick Lancaster appears more independent than the likes of the BBC's James Waterhouse.

    As I've reasonably noted, the longer the conflict, the greater the chance of the Kiev regime losing more territory. Finland and Sweden were already on their way of becoming either NATO members or pretty much being such. They're not more secure by being in NATO.

    Russia attacked the Kiev regime on account of the latter's failure to implement the Minsk Accords, while building up its forces in conjunction with the OSCE report of increased Kiev regime attacks on Donbass rebel territory.

  90. @Sean
    @John Johnson


    How would Kiev be at near total defeat in 2014-2015 if the fighting was almost entirely by militias?
     
    The rebels were losing and to rescue the situation a couple of formed up battalion tactical groups of the Russian army crossed the border and cut a swath though Ukraine, leading Kiev to agree to Minsk in order to stop the rout of their forces. When Ukraine began dragging their heels Germany and France brokered Minsk2 , and Merkel said that the objective of it was to stop the Russians military going into action again before Ukraine had built up their forces to a reasonable level.

    Here is the Minsk agreement and I’m not seeing anything that says Donbas gets autonomy:
     
    Far more autonomy that they had before, and crucially what was in effect an East Donbass veto over Ukraine ever joining Nato

    If the invasion is about Minsk then why didn’t Russia simply move forces to the LPR/DPR lines? Why were they trying to take Kiev in a brutal invasion?
     

    In 2015 Russia could rely on the threat of it making huge inroads into Ukrainian territory with a few battalion tactical groups and staying there, because Ukraine was lacking in weapons and determined leadership. The position did not alter much even after there was a widespread perception that Trump had kept back arms from Ukraine.

    Biden entering the White House and back when he was VP Biden had been a super Hawk on Ukraine as was Blinken, so when Biden became president he initiated an acceleration of US arms to Ukraine, which had much more resolute professional officers leading it. The capabilities of Ukraine had by 2021 increased greatly and were continuing to improve , which was an ongoing erosion of Russia's ability to present a meaningful and valid threat to initiate either a limited or full scale invasion and landgrab. Doing nothing was losing Russia its wedge of military dominance Russia decided Ukraine was not going to compromise and was begining to be a match for Russia, so it was now or never. That is a long winded way of saying that Russia's preferred solution was not invading Ukraine but threatening to do so as a means to the end of sidelining Ukraine's Nato ambitions. Biden's policy obviated Russia's policy of hybrid pressure, so there was no choice but to do what was only threatened and use the full scale invasion option before it completely disappeared.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikel

    How would Kiev be at near total defeat in 2014-2015 if the fighting was almost entirely by militias?

    The rebels were losing and to rescue the situation a couple of formed up battalion tactical groups of the Russian army crossed the border and cut a swath though Ukraine, leading Kiev to agree to Minsk in order to stop the rout of their forces.

    Not even 2.5% of Ukrainian forces were used. It was mostly militia fighting by both sides.

    This is one of the largest battles and only 200 Ukrainians soldiers/militia men were killed:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Donetsk_Airport

    Ukraine was trying to minimize the fighting on both sides. They made the mistake of not hammering Donbas hard to being with. Same mistake they made with Crimea.

    Not sending in a serious AFU force was the mistake. To suggest that they were near defeat is ridiculous. They had over 1 million infantry that were not involved. Ukraine made the mistake of thinking they could make peace with a region that was being undermined by Russia.

    Here is the Minsk agreement and I’m not seeing anything that says Donbas gets autonomy:

    Far more autonomy that they had before, and crucially what was in effect an East Donbass veto over Ukraine ever joining Nato

    So you acknowledge that an unresolved border disqualified them from applying to NATO? Then why did Putin claim that he had to invade because of NATO?

    If the invasion is about Minsk then why didn’t Russia simply move forces to the LPR/DPR lines? Why were they trying to take Kiev in a brutal invasion?

    In 2015 Russia could rely on the threat of it making huge inroads into Ukrainian territory with a few battalion tactical groups and staying there, because Ukraine was lacking in weapons and determined leadership.

    I’m talking about 2022. Why not send the same force to Donbas and dig in? Why was he trying to take the whole country?

    That is a long winded way of saying that Russia’s preferred solution was not invading Ukraine but threatening to do so as a means to the end of sidelining Ukraine’s Nato ambitions.

    The preferred solution was to not invade over NATO even though Ukraine didn’t qualify because of Donbas? Which means the preferred solution was working and an invasion wasn’t needed.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @John Johnson


    They had over 1 million infantry that were not involved ...Ukraine was trying to minimize the fighting on both sides. They made the mistake of not hammering Donbas hard to being with. Same mistake they made with Crimea.
     
    If they signed the Minsk agreement, Kiev thought it had to halt formed up Russia army units advancing.

    I’m talking about 2022. Why not send the same force to Donbas and dig in? Why was he trying to take the whole country?
     
    Because Ukraine was on track to becoming a Western security asset and they had already tried limited or hybrid military operations before Minsk made them think their geopolitical objective had been achieved, which had resulted in freezing of the front line. However the agreement did not pan out the way Russia anticipated in the several years following because the carrot of Donbass being returned was not sufficient to entice Ukraine into giving Donbass the effective veto over Ukraine entering alliances with the West. Russia also realised that, especially after Biden and Blinken came in and altered US policy, Ukraine was becoming a match for Russia. By 2021 Russia could see its strategy of military pressure to obtain geopolitical concessions had failed, and they would soon no longer have a usable military option. So they had to take a decision.

    The preferred solution was to not invade over NATO even though Ukraine didn’t qualify because of Donbas? Which means the preferred solution was working and an invasion wasn’t needed.
     
    That is a fair point. I suppose Russia was not happy with the way Ukraine was integrating with Nato without becoming a formal member, and thought such interoperability cooperation in the context of an annually reiterated 'Ukraine will join someday Nato announcement and indicated Ukraine and Nato's future intentions. Yes, Russia could go on the assumption that Washington's influence as 'he who pays the piper' notwithstanding, it would be unable get the qualifications for entry altered down the line.

    But no matter now nice that would be for everyone, accurate predictions about others require us to think about what we would in the others situation. Russians' own intent in Kiev's 's situation would be to the Kremlin to sleep. Why wouldn't the Russians think with Ukraine's inside track due to the Trump impeachment and President Biden hawkish, Kiev intended to to lull the Kremlin into passivity?
  91. @A123
    @AP

    You are a supporter of the Azov neo-Nazi collaborator Zelensky. So it’s just funny when you accuse and criticize others of collaborating with the Nazis.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death, @AP, @Mikhail

    Azov are not as Nazi as Hitler, and Vlasov whom Mikhail is a supporter of placed himself under Nazi command whereas Zelensky did not place himself under Azov command.

    Thanks for voluntarily showing your ignorance though.

    Btw, any Nazis supporting Trump?

    • Replies: @A123
    @AP

    Alas, humour seems beyond you.

    Thanks for voluntarily showing your ignorance though.


    any Nazis supporting Trump?
     
    Trump is a Judeo-Christian who supports the rights of indigenous Jews in Jewish Palestine. One of his children converted & married into Judaism.

    I suppose it is possible, but there are probably more anti-Semitic Nazis supporting Not-The-President Biden. After all, the White House occupant trained his German Shepard to bite black people.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Mikhail
    @AP

    Your false equivalency whataboutism is quite telling of what a fool you are. Vlasov doesn't have the bloody baggage of Bandera who the likes of Azov honor. Vlasov is a more ethical figure to honor than Bandera. Bandera is honored in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine in a way that Vlasov isn't in Russia.

    Replies: @AP

  92. @A123
    @YetAnotherAnon



    In 2022 the [Chinese] government approved a record-breaking 86 gigawatts (GW) of new coal-fired power capacity. One gigawatt is the equivalent of a large coal power plant.
     
    They’ll use the cheap coal to sell expensive panels, storage batteries and windmills to the EU, not to mention powering the BASF plants moved from Germany.
     
    Not-The-President Biden's ill conceived "Inflation Reduction Act" insists on making these in the America. This has to be among the worst New Deal efforts ever, but at least there is some domestic job creation.

    America is being unintentionally saved from the scourge of wind & solar largely by power grid limitations. These inefficient methods require specific geography often well away from population centers. There is now an ~10 year wait to add new intermittent sources to the grid across much of the country.
    ___

    The first new nuclear plants in the U.S. Vogtle 3 has opened. Unit 4 is loading fuel and will soon join its sibling (1)

    August 17, 2023

    Georgia Power announced today the process to load fuel into the Vogtle Unit 4 reactor core has begun at Plant Vogtle near Waynesboro, Ga. Loading fuel marks a pivotal milestone toward startup and commercial operation of the second new unit at Plant Vogtle. Vogtle Unit 3 – the first newly-constructed nuclear unit in the U.S. in more than 30 years – entered commercial operation on July 31, and is providing customers and the State of Georgia with reliable, emissions-free energy.
     
    Each unit will supply 1.1 Gigawatts of carbon free electricity for at least 40 and up to 80 years.

    The construction of Vogtle 3&4 were screwed up by government design changes after concrete was already poured. Then the prime contractor went bankrupt. Hopefully, this will push the industry towards Small Modular Reactors [SMR] that come with less project completion risk.

    Nuclear is the future, not wind and solar.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.georgiapower.com/company/news-center/2023-articles/vogtle-unit-4-starts-nuclear-fuel-load.html

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Nuclear is the future, not wind and solar.

    Not in America.

    We have only had 6 new reactors come online since 1990

    Nuclear is a waste of time in America.

    Democrats don’t like them and Republicans don’t want “big government” aka the Feds to build them.

    Utility companies risk endless lawsuits when trying to build one. Solar, wind and natural gas are safer.

    Solar efficiency will have increased 50% by the time nuclear advocates get ONE new plant built. The South is the ideal place for new reactors and most of their Republicans don’t give a flying F if they burn natural gas and most believe in the apocalypse anyways. Meaning this world is temporary so no need to spend time on trying to get a nuke plant built. Better to golf and pray.

  93. @AP
    @A123

    Azov are not as Nazi as Hitler, and Vlasov whom Mikhail is a supporter of placed himself under Nazi command whereas Zelensky did not place himself under Azov command.

    Thanks for voluntarily showing your ignorance though.

    Btw, any Nazis supporting Trump?

    Replies: @A123, @Mikhail

    Alas, humour seems beyond you.

    Thanks for voluntarily showing your ignorance though.

    any Nazis supporting Trump?

    Trump is a Judeo-Christian who supports the rights of indigenous Jews in Jewish Palestine. One of his children converted & married into Judaism.

    I suppose it is possible, but there are probably more anti-Semitic Nazis supporting Not-The-President Biden. After all, the White House occupant trained his German Shepard to bite black people.

    PEACE 😇

  94. @Sean
    @John Johnson


    How would Kiev be at near total defeat in 2014-2015 if the fighting was almost entirely by militias?
     
    The rebels were losing and to rescue the situation a couple of formed up battalion tactical groups of the Russian army crossed the border and cut a swath though Ukraine, leading Kiev to agree to Minsk in order to stop the rout of their forces. When Ukraine began dragging their heels Germany and France brokered Minsk2 , and Merkel said that the objective of it was to stop the Russians military going into action again before Ukraine had built up their forces to a reasonable level.

    Here is the Minsk agreement and I’m not seeing anything that says Donbas gets autonomy:
     
    Far more autonomy that they had before, and crucially what was in effect an East Donbass veto over Ukraine ever joining Nato

    If the invasion is about Minsk then why didn’t Russia simply move forces to the LPR/DPR lines? Why were they trying to take Kiev in a brutal invasion?
     

    In 2015 Russia could rely on the threat of it making huge inroads into Ukrainian territory with a few battalion tactical groups and staying there, because Ukraine was lacking in weapons and determined leadership. The position did not alter much even after there was a widespread perception that Trump had kept back arms from Ukraine.

    Biden entering the White House and back when he was VP Biden had been a super Hawk on Ukraine as was Blinken, so when Biden became president he initiated an acceleration of US arms to Ukraine, which had much more resolute professional officers leading it. The capabilities of Ukraine had by 2021 increased greatly and were continuing to improve , which was an ongoing erosion of Russia's ability to present a meaningful and valid threat to initiate either a limited or full scale invasion and landgrab. Doing nothing was losing Russia its wedge of military dominance Russia decided Ukraine was not going to compromise and was begining to be a match for Russia, so it was now or never. That is a long winded way of saying that Russia's preferred solution was not invading Ukraine but threatening to do so as a means to the end of sidelining Ukraine's Nato ambitions. Biden's policy obviated Russia's policy of hybrid pressure, so there was no choice but to do what was only threatened and use the full scale invasion option before it completely disappeared.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikel

    crucially what was in effect an East Donbass veto over Ukraine ever joining Nato

    I have never doubted AP and others when they said that but in reality that point was never part of the Minsk Agreements themselves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements

    So I’m not sure where it comes from. With Minsk-2 in place, as I hoped Zelensky would achieve, parts of Donbas would get a special self-government status inside of Ukraine and Ukraine would recover control of the border with Russia but I don’t see how an autonomous Donbas could ever hope to prevent Kiev from signing multinational treaties.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    crucially what was in effect an East Donbass veto over Ukraine ever joining Nato

    I have never doubted AP and others when they said that but in reality that point was never part of the Minsk Agreements themselves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements

    So I’m not sure where it comes from
     
    The nature of the autonomy was kept vague in the original document, with various possible interpretations. It could have simply meant that the locals choose their own governors. This is roughly how the Ukrainian side saw it and wanted it to be. The important thing, however, was how Russian sponsor of the Donbas rebels interpreted it. This is how:

    https://www.chathamhouse.org/2020/05/minsk-conundrum-western-policy-and-russias-war-eastern-ukraine-0/minsk-2-agreement

    Surkov coordinated the drafting of extra demands (published on 13 May as proposals from the DNR/LNR). These would give the occupied regions even greater powers: responsibility for legal regulation of the Ukraine/Russia border; the right to conclude agreements with foreign states; their own charters (which would, for example, prevent the president of Ukraine from dismissing local executive organs); their own budgets to ensure ‘financial autonomy’; and rights to introduce states of emergency and hold elections and referendums. Lastly, Ukraine would write a neutrality clause into its constitution

    :::::::::

    So for example, allowing autonomous Donbas to sign a free trade zone agreement with Russia would effectively veto Ukraine’s integration with the EU.

    Replies: @Mikel

  95. @AP
    @Beckow


    You are incoherent: special status is now not autonomy?
     
    Zelensky hoped that this would be interpreted in a way that would not cancel Ukraine's independence. But Russia refused.

    how big a disaster this could be for Kiev and the West
     
    Beckow is starting to hedge a little bit - "could."

    For Ukrainians the disasters were having Russia as a neighbor, and Putin stupidly underestimated Ukrainian resolve and launching an ill-fated invasion. Defending one's independence was not a "disaster." I understand that your people of course allied with the Nazis and did nothing against the Soviets, and when Putin looked to be strong you personally hoped for his victory.

    Russia is just grinding its military to dust in Ukraine. But not only there - it just lost 5% of its transport fleet in one night, due to drone attacks within Russia itself. Russia will kill a handful of civilians in retaliation, it's all that the weak can really do. And hide behind their minefields, hoping that they aren't breached and that in the end they can keep as much as they can of what had been stolen more than a year ago. I still give 50/50 odds of Ukraine retaking the Crimea corridor as I did many months ago. In your ignorance you didn't think Ukrainians would fight to defend themselves, and also in your ignorance you didn't know that Ukrainians were the best fighters amongst the eastern Slavs. You stupidly thought Soviet or Russian Empire military prowess and success was about Great Russians and called World War II a Russian victory, leading to the moronic prediction that this war would be just another easy victory of a Russian juggernaut, rather than the larger and more populous but weaker Great Russians trying to defeat the less numerous, but superior, "Little Russians" Ukrainian fighters.

    How much better would they be if they acted normally and gave their Russian minority normal rights and stayed neutral in the geopolitics they simply can’t win
     
    "Acted normally" - allowed a foreign country to dictate their internal and external policies.

    For you, being a lackey and collaborator, this is indeed quite normal. Capitulate without a fight and hope that someone else saves you. And maybe be sneaky and whine about it. But not for others.

    You are upset that the Ukrainians did not surrender their sovereignty without a fight, as you surely would have done. It highlights your inferiority to peoples such as Poles, Ukrainians, Finns. etc. And your parasitism vis a vis these peoples. They were the ones who prevented Hitler from winning and the ones who later caused the downfall of the Soviet system. While you benefited form their efforts. Clever, but nothing to be proud of. Your lack of gratitude, like your chronic dishonesty, speaks to your inferior character.

    Any lie is good for fighting a war.
     
    You inadvertently confess something about yourself here.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    Zelensky hoped that this would be interpreted in a way that would not cancel Ukraine’s independence.

    Did he also interpret the meaning of “we will win the war against Russia and conquer Crimea”? He is quite a creative guy, but maybe in the wrong profession now.

    Minsk didn’t cancel Ukraine’s independence: it was a normal autonomy deal that exists all over Europe. You create straw-men to fight. That shows bad will, you know that your case is otherwise indefensible.

    allowed a foreign country to dictate their internal and external policies.

    By your definition US-EU have been dictating to all others what they can do for decades – often with bombs. Doesn’t that bother you? They say it is for “human rights” and “security”. Why is it different when others ask for human rights and some security? We know the answer: you are brainwashed narcissists who focus razor-sharp only on yourself and are unable to others as equal. That’s why there is this war – but now you must prove your superiority. So far you have come up short.

    It highlights your inferiority to peoples such as Poles, Ukrainians,

    That is fascist language – get hold of yourself. You are drinking poison hoping that others will suffer – it never works that way, you only poison yourself. But I suspect you are too dumb to understand that. (On to more teary myths, crying over losses and being a lot less than what you could have been.)

    On a practical level, it is the Ukies and Poles who are swarming to live among us, begging us to let them be like us, many wanting to forget who they are, women crying, children learning a new language – all of them happily living normal lives.

    Killing and dying to keep others from speaking Russian and to join Nato to fight more wars is about as stupid and self-denying as it gets. Enjoy and don’t forget a few heroic poems, that’s what it is all about? Or is it? The bottomless self-hatred that is willing to destroy it all just not to be who you are? Maybe instead move to the ultimate “West”, maybe Iceland? (Hey, they are also in Nato and I am sure Russian language is frowned upon there.)

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Minsk didn’t cancel Ukraine’s independence: it was a normal autonomy deal that exists all over Europe
     
    Minsk meant that Russia would decide the nature of Ukraine’s constitution and that Russia would set Ukraine’s internal language policy.

    That is a cancellation of independence.

    allowed a foreign country to dictate their internal and external policies.

    By your definition US-EU have been dictating to all others what they can do for decades
     
    Review the word dictate.

    The closest parallel would be occupied Germany and Japan getting constitutions from the American occupiers. Except of course you demanded that Ukraine give in to Russia without even an occupation. A preemptive surrender, like Czechoslovakia in the 1930s.

    On a practical level, it is the Ukies and Poles who are swarming to live among us, begging us to let them be like us

     

    It’s really remarkable how you have the need to throw a lie into every post.

    This is a rather exotic lie.

    There are only about 3,000 Poles in Slovakia, mostly moving due to marriage:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339092648_Migration_of_the_poles_to_Slovakia_after_World_War_II

    Otherwise no point in moving. Average wages are lower (1,200 Euros in Poland versus 1,000 Euros in Slovakia):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage

    And unemployment is higher - 2.7% in Poland versus 6% in Slovakia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_unemployment_rate

    Ukrainians are fleeing the war, but Poles swarming into Slovakia? What a weird thing to lie about.

    Replies: @Beckow

  96. How Scholz & Merkel killed Germany: (1)

    WELL, LIKE MOST COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD THEY HAVE LOUSY POLITICAL LEADERSHIP: Germany Is Losing Its Mojo. Finding It Again Won’t Be Easy. Europe’s biggest economy is sliding into stagnation, and a weakening political system is struggling to find an answer.

    Two decades ago, Germany revived its moribund economy and became a manufacturing powerhouse of an era of globalization.

    Times changed. Germany didn’t keep up. Now Europe’s biggest economy has to reinvent itself again. But its fractured political class is struggling to find answers to a dizzying conjunction of long-term headaches and short-term crises, leading to a growing sense of malaise.

    Germany will be the world’s only major economy to contract in 2023, with even sanctioned Russia experiencing growth, according to the International Monetary Fund. . . .The problems aren’t new. Germany’s manufacturing output and its gross domestic product have stagnated since 2018, suggesting that its long-successful model has lost its mojo. (2)

    You have to read pretty far into the article before you see a reference to Germany’s “irrational energy policy.”

    The German Greens killed NordStream long before the industrial accident that destroyed 3 out of 4 tubes.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://instapundit.com/603028/

    (2) pay wall — https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/germany-is-losing-its-mojo-finding-it-again-wont-be-easy-c4b46761

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @A123

    I guess post-WW2 Germany just got too uppity for the powers that be. Is a recurring pattern, Russia seems to be caught in a similar cycle. It looks the USA is still falling into round one, though I suppose the Civil War could have been the first round.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikhail, @A123

  97. @Mikhail
    @Beckow

    Dig the crapola about WW II Slovakia. Dubcek and Husak weren't Nazi allied along with numerous other Slovaks. Much like how the French and for that matter the Ukrainians among others had noticeable numbers with either the Axis or Allies.

    https://www.mzv.sk/documents/10182/2369491/BROZURA_70_VYROCIE_SNP_indd.pdf/007d0f33-4aa1-4e3a-95ae-5ef5096360d3

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow

    In March 1939 Germans – Hitler personally – told Slovak leaders to either declare independence or be split between Hungary and Poland. They were clerical fascists, similar to people who run Poland most of the time. They took the deal and then went too far. They are despised by almost all Slovaks, like Petain in France – we have no Waffen SS marchers or Bandera stadiums. We understand WW2, AP doesn’t.

    In the 1944 uprising most people fought against Germany – Minister of Defense, generals, officers, villagers…Husak was one of the leaders, Dubcek’s older brother died in the fighting. People like AP understand nothing – he is driven by hatred. You can’t cure hatred and with additional losses it only gets worse. They are a sorry case and they are slowly losing again.

    • Agree: Mikhail
  98. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Sean

    I wonder what China are doing on AI, which threatens to make a lot of things easier (but could also destroy education for many)?

    Only just realised how much depends at present on NVidia.

    NVIDIA A100, to be exact, at £7,000 a pop on Amazon. And I thought processing power was getting cheaper!

    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/23/nvidias-a100-is-the-10000-chip-powering-the-race-for-ai-.html


    “A year ago we had 32 A100s,” Stability AI CEO Emad Mostaque wrote on Twitter in January. “Dream big and stack moar GPUs kids. Brrr.” Stability AI is the company that helped develop Stable Diffusion, an image generator that drew attention last fall, and reportedly has a valuation of over $1 billion.

    Now, Stability AI has access to over 5,400 A100 GPUs, according to one estimate from the State of AI report, which charts and tracks which companies and universities have the largest collection of A100 GPUs.
     
    I think the people behind ChatGPT have 10,000 of them.

    Could this be America's Wunderwaffen, it's A-bomb equivalent? I imagine a bunch of bright Chinese are beavering away at creating an equivalent or better. Or perhaps they just work at NVidia.

    Imagine a military version, trained on maps, terrain, radar sites, real-time aircraft and satellite locations, plotting launch times and routes into Russia for drones. Almost certainly exists right now. I hope Russia are thinking about this.

    Replies: @Adept, @Emil Nikola Richard, @YetAnotherAnon

    I’m behind the tech, the P100 at $30k seems to be the thing, and the big tech companies are snaffling them all!

    https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/29/googles-new-a3-gpu-supercomputer-with-nvidia-h100-gpus-will-be-generally-available-next-month

    “Despite their $30,000+ price, Nvidia’s H100 GPUs are a hot commodity — to the point where they are typically back-ordered. Earlier this year, Google Cloud announced the private preview launch of its H100-powered A3 GPU virtual machines, which combines Nvidia’s chips with Google’s custom-designed 200 Gpbs Infrastructure Processing Units (IPUs). Now, at its Cloud Next conference, Google announced that it will launch the A3 into general availability next month.”

    https://www.techspot.com/news/99903-ai-surge-propels-nvidia-revenue-staggering-135-billion.html

    AI surge propels Nvidia’s revenue to a staggering $13.5 billion

    The new chips have 80 billion transistors. Mind, a modern £110 CPU can have 11 billion.

  99. @John Johnson
    @Sean


    How would Kiev be at near total defeat in 2014-2015 if the fighting was almost entirely by militias?
     
    The rebels were losing and to rescue the situation a couple of formed up battalion tactical groups of the Russian army crossed the border and cut a swath though Ukraine, leading Kiev to agree to Minsk in order to stop the rout of their forces.

    Not even 2.5% of Ukrainian forces were used. It was mostly militia fighting by both sides.

    This is one of the largest battles and only 200 Ukrainians soldiers/militia men were killed:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Donetsk_Airport

    Ukraine was trying to minimize the fighting on both sides. They made the mistake of not hammering Donbas hard to being with. Same mistake they made with Crimea.

    Not sending in a serious AFU force was the mistake. To suggest that they were near defeat is ridiculous. They had over 1 million infantry that were not involved. Ukraine made the mistake of thinking they could make peace with a region that was being undermined by Russia.


    Here is the Minsk agreement and I’m not seeing anything that says Donbas gets autonomy:
     
    Far more autonomy that they had before, and crucially what was in effect an East Donbass veto over Ukraine ever joining Nato

    So you acknowledge that an unresolved border disqualified them from applying to NATO? Then why did Putin claim that he had to invade because of NATO?


    If the invasion is about Minsk then why didn’t Russia simply move forces to the LPR/DPR lines? Why were they trying to take Kiev in a brutal invasion?
     
    In 2015 Russia could rely on the threat of it making huge inroads into Ukrainian territory with a few battalion tactical groups and staying there, because Ukraine was lacking in weapons and determined leadership.

    I'm talking about 2022. Why not send the same force to Donbas and dig in? Why was he trying to take the whole country?

    That is a long winded way of saying that Russia’s preferred solution was not invading Ukraine but threatening to do so as a means to the end of sidelining Ukraine’s Nato ambitions.

    The preferred solution was to not invade over NATO even though Ukraine didn't qualify because of Donbas? Which means the preferred solution was working and an invasion wasn't needed.

    Replies: @Sean

    They had over 1 million infantry that were not involved …Ukraine was trying to minimize the fighting on both sides. They made the mistake of not hammering Donbas hard to being with. Same mistake they made with Crimea.

    If they signed the Minsk agreement, Kiev thought it had to halt formed up Russia army units advancing.

    I’m talking about 2022. Why not send the same force to Donbas and dig in? Why was he trying to take the whole country?

    Because Ukraine was on track to becoming a Western security asset and they had already tried limited or hybrid military operations before Minsk made them think their geopolitical objective had been achieved, which had resulted in freezing of the front line. However the agreement did not pan out the way Russia anticipated in the several years following because the carrot of Donbass being returned was not sufficient to entice Ukraine into giving Donbass the effective veto over Ukraine entering alliances with the West. Russia also realised that, especially after Biden and Blinken came in and altered US policy, Ukraine was becoming a match for Russia. By 2021 Russia could see its strategy of military pressure to obtain geopolitical concessions had failed, and they would soon no longer have a usable military option. So they had to take a decision.

    The preferred solution was to not invade over NATO even though Ukraine didn’t qualify because of Donbas? Which means the preferred solution was working and an invasion wasn’t needed.

    That is a fair point. I suppose Russia was not happy with the way Ukraine was integrating with Nato without becoming a formal member, and thought such interoperability cooperation in the context of an annually reiterated ‘Ukraine will join someday Nato announcement and indicated Ukraine and Nato’s future intentions. Yes, Russia could go on the assumption that Washington’s influence as ‘he who pays the piper’ notwithstanding, it would be unable get the qualifications for entry altered down the line.

    But no matter now nice that would be for everyone, accurate predictions about others require us to think about what we would in the others situation. Russians’ own intent in Kiev’s ‘s situation would be to the Kremlin to sleep. Why wouldn’t the Russians think with Ukraine’s inside track due to the Trump impeachment and President Biden hawkish, Kiev intended to to lull the Kremlin into passivity?

  100. @A123
    @AP

    You are a supporter of the Azov neo-Nazi collaborator Zelensky. So it’s just funny when you accuse and criticize others of collaborating with the Nazis.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sudden death, @AP, @Mikhail

    He’s a cyber dumbbell with an autistic trait.

    • Agree: A123
  101. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    More like the Kiev regime are the new Nazis with their pro-Bandera tilt, increased repression and dream of wonder weapons saving them from defeat.

    You and the Russians can keep calling them Nazis but no one is buying it.

    Where is your evidence of this pro-Bandera tilt? I've never heard a single Ukrainian politician reference Bandera. Just because something is repeated at Moon of Alabama or Russian TV doesn't make it true.

    Put mildly, Kiev regime controlled Ukraine not likely to get into NATO.

    Ukraine was not likely to get into NATO before the war and they had no intention of applying. They didn't qualify and they didn't have the votes of France or Germany. Zelensky won on a neutral platform. Putin attacked Ukraine because his time is running out and not because Ukraine was in the process of joining.

    Finland joined NATO and they have more border with Russian than Ukraine. How is that not a loss if the war is about NATO?

    Perhaps if it just consists of Galicia and Trans-Carpathia or a portion of that territory.

    So you think it is possible for Russia to march on Kiev? Is that right?

    Why hasn't Belarus joined the war if this is all such a great idea?

    Replies: @Mikhail

    You reveal your sheer ignorance on this one regarding Bandera and neo-Nazi influence in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine. On another dopey point of yours, Patrick Lancaster appears more independent than the likes of the BBC’s James Waterhouse.

    As I’ve reasonably noted, the longer the conflict, the greater the chance of the Kiev regime losing more territory. Finland and Sweden were already on their way of becoming either NATO members or pretty much being such. They’re not more secure by being in NATO.

    Russia attacked the Kiev regime on account of the latter’s failure to implement the Minsk Accords, while building up its forces in conjunction with the OSCE report of increased Kiev regime attacks on Donbass rebel territory.

  102. @AP
    @A123

    Azov are not as Nazi as Hitler, and Vlasov whom Mikhail is a supporter of placed himself under Nazi command whereas Zelensky did not place himself under Azov command.

    Thanks for voluntarily showing your ignorance though.

    Btw, any Nazis supporting Trump?

    Replies: @A123, @Mikhail

    Your false equivalency whataboutism is quite telling of what a fool you are. Vlasov doesn’t have the bloody baggage of Bandera who the likes of Azov honor. Vlasov is a more ethical figure to honor than Bandera. Bandera is honored in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine in a way that Vlasov isn’t in Russia.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail

    You are too dumb to realize that we aren’t talking about Bandera or about the Ukrainian government.

    We are talking about the fact that Vlasov was a Nazi collaborator who served under Hitler and that it is very funny that you, a Vlasovite, are criticizing others for working with Nazis or whatever.

    The other stuff may or may not be true but is irrelevant to the point. You are a fanboy of a Russian Nazi collaborator even as you whine about Nazis. That’s funny. :-)

    But we know that you can’t get it, you are too slow.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  103. @sudden death
    @sudden death


    MOSCOW, Aug 29 (Reuters) - Russia's Gazprom (GAZP.MM) said on Tuesday it generated a net loss of 18.6 billion roubles ($197 million) in the second quarter of 2023 after a net profit of 1.03 trillion roubles a year earlier following the collapse of gas exports to Europe.

    Gazprom has suspended the disclosure of its exports data, but according to Reuters calculations, supplies to Europe, once its key source of earnings, were about 15 billion cubic metres (bcm) in January-July compared with 62 bcm for the whole 2022.

    "The decline in exports to Europe was partially offset by supplies to China, which continue to grow as part of contractual obligations, as well as the efficient operation of the oil business," Famil Sadygov, Gazprom's Deputy CEO, said on Telegram messaging app.

    He also said the earnings were impacted by the rouble rate, which weakened 24% against the U.S. dollar in the first six months of this year.

    The Kremlin-controlled company also said its net income for the first six months of the year fell to 296 billion roubles from 2.5 trillion roubles in January-June 2022, while its base for dividend payment reached 618 billion roubles for the period.
     

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russias-gazprom-says-it-swings-q2-net-loss-exports-europe-slump-2023-08-29/

    So in 2023 Gazprom pipeline natgas exports in EU will be roughly about 30-35 billion m3 compared with 170 billion m3 before Covid, but exports in China last year reached "record" of 15 billion m3, this year might be more, maybe 20-25 billion m3, so the overall cumulative loss of pipeline natgas export volume still remains in tune of 100 billion m3 for RF.

    Replies: @QCIC

    I think this was expected from day 1 of the SMO. In the short run it is impossible to sell more gas if the available pipelines are full. Does Gazprom also sell gas inside Russia?

    I wonder how much natural gas Russia is supplying to Ukraine these days?

    I read that Russia is still supplying significant amounts of uranium to the USA but have not confirmed the details.

  104. @Beckow
    @AP


    Zelensky hoped that this would be interpreted in a way that would not cancel Ukraine’s independence.
     
    Did he also interpret the meaning of "we will win the war against Russia and conquer Crimea"? He is quite a creative guy, but maybe in the wrong profession now.

    Minsk didn't cancel Ukraine’s independence: it was a normal autonomy deal that exists all over Europe. You create straw-men to fight. That shows bad will, you know that your case is otherwise indefensible.


    allowed a foreign country to dictate their internal and external policies.
     
    By your definition US-EU have been dictating to all others what they can do for decades - often with bombs. Doesn't that bother you? They say it is for "human rights" and "security". Why is it different when others ask for human rights and some security? We know the answer: you are brainwashed narcissists who focus razor-sharp only on yourself and are unable to others as equal. That's why there is this war - but now you must prove your superiority. So far you have come up short.

    It highlights your inferiority to peoples such as Poles, Ukrainians,
     
    That is fascist language - get hold of yourself. You are drinking poison hoping that others will suffer - it never works that way, you only poison yourself. But I suspect you are too dumb to understand that. (On to more teary myths, crying over losses and being a lot less than what you could have been.)

    On a practical level, it is the Ukies and Poles who are swarming to live among us, begging us to let them be like us, many wanting to forget who they are, women crying, children learning a new language - all of them happily living normal lives.

    Killing and dying to keep others from speaking Russian and to join Nato to fight more wars is about as stupid and self-denying as it gets. Enjoy and don't forget a few heroic poems, that's what it is all about? Or is it? The bottomless self-hatred that is willing to destroy it all just not to be who you are? Maybe instead move to the ultimate "West", maybe Iceland? (Hey, they are also in Nato and I am sure Russian language is frowned upon there.)

    Replies: @AP

    Minsk didn’t cancel Ukraine’s independence: it was a normal autonomy deal that exists all over Europe

    Minsk meant that Russia would decide the nature of Ukraine’s constitution and that Russia would set Ukraine’s internal language policy.

    That is a cancellation of independence.

    allowed a foreign country to dictate their internal and external policies.

    By your definition US-EU have been dictating to all others what they can do for decades

    Review the word dictate.

    The closest parallel would be occupied Germany and Japan getting constitutions from the American occupiers. Except of course you demanded that Ukraine give in to Russia without even an occupation. A preemptive surrender, like Czechoslovakia in the 1930s.

    On a practical level, it is the Ukies and Poles who are swarming to live among us, begging us to let them be like us

    It’s really remarkable how you have the need to throw a lie into every post.

    This is a rather exotic lie.

    There are only about 3,000 Poles in Slovakia, mostly moving due to marriage:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339092648_Migration_of_the_poles_to_Slovakia_after_World_War_II

    Otherwise no point in moving. Average wages are lower (1,200 Euros in Poland versus 1,000 Euros in Slovakia):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage

    And unemployment is higher – 2.7% in Poland versus 6% in Slovakia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_unemployment_rate

    Ukrainians are fleeing the war, but Poles swarming into Slovakia? What a weird thing to lie about.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Review the word dictate.
     
    All right: must be in Nato, must assist US in its military adventures, must use US dollars and keep its earnings (reserves) in either London or US, must vote with US in "UN", must privatise and sell to 'investors', a lot more... and the US embassy insists on rainbow parades and open borders. Is that enough dictating for you?

    Russia would decide the nature of Ukraine’s constitution and that Russia would set Ukraine’s internal language policy.
     
    No, only a small part about the Russian minority having autonomy in its region and Ukraine remaining neutral - what's wrong with that? If Kiev agreed there would be no war, we all know that. So you lie about 'sky-is-falling' made-up things that were not even discussed before the war.

    There are only about 3,000 Poles in Slovakia
     
    We see Poles daily in their beat-up cars trying to sell old bicycles, rotten meat and home-made booze - they don't look prosperous to us, but we seldom venture to the dreary flatlands over the mountains, usually not much there. If they are getting better, good for you - just don't try to sell us your crap. And the Ukies begging us to stay are everywhere - refugees? no, most don't ever want to go back and it is not the "Russians" they are running away from - it is their miserable, corrupt, foreign-dominated country.

    Replies: @Wielgus, @AP

  105. @A123
    How Scholz & Merkel killed Germany: (1)

    WELL, LIKE MOST COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD THEY HAVE LOUSY POLITICAL LEADERSHIP: Germany Is Losing Its Mojo. Finding It Again Won’t Be Easy. Europe’s biggest economy is sliding into stagnation, and a weakening political system is struggling to find an answer.

    Two decades ago, Germany revived its moribund economy and became a manufacturing powerhouse of an era of globalization.

    Times changed. Germany didn’t keep up. Now Europe’s biggest economy has to reinvent itself again. But its fractured political class is struggling to find answers to a dizzying conjunction of long-term headaches and short-term crises, leading to a growing sense of malaise.

    Germany will be the world’s only major economy to contract in 2023, with even sanctioned Russia experiencing growth, according to the International Monetary Fund. . . .The problems aren’t new. Germany’s manufacturing output and its gross domestic product have stagnated since 2018, suggesting that its long-successful model has lost its mojo. (2)
     
    You have to read pretty far into the article before you see a reference to Germany’s “irrational energy policy.”
     
    The German Greens killed NordStream long before the industrial accident that destroyed 3 out of 4 tubes.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://instapundit.com/603028/

    (2) pay wall -- https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/germany-is-losing-its-mojo-finding-it-again-wont-be-easy-c4b46761

    Replies: @QCIC

    I guess post-WW2 Germany just got too uppity for the powers that be. Is a recurring pattern, Russia seems to be caught in a similar cycle. It looks the USA is still falling into round one, though I suppose the Civil War could have been the first round.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    Do not mis under estimate Germany. Nordstream is not destroyed. It is in need of some expensive repair. They still have great engineers. The first cause of all of this is prospective Germany Russia partnership terrifies London and New York goons.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @Mikhail
    @QCIC

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ACX9xqMsRM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bq4njrUlsQ&t=1971s

    , @A123
    @QCIC



    The German Greens killed NordStream long before the industrial accident that destroyed 3 out of 4 tubes.
     
    I guess post-WW2 Germany just got too uppity for the powers that be
     
    Are you suggesting that the German Greens are the ultimate "powers that be" within the European Empire?

    And, that they became "uppity" with physical reality? For example, in their "uppitiness" the tried to ignore that energy is required to manufacture goods?

    You do provide a decent description of how the German Greens are taking down the German people with no outside intervention.

    PEACE 😇
  106. @Mikhail
    @AP

    Your false equivalency whataboutism is quite telling of what a fool you are. Vlasov doesn't have the bloody baggage of Bandera who the likes of Azov honor. Vlasov is a more ethical figure to honor than Bandera. Bandera is honored in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine in a way that Vlasov isn't in Russia.

    Replies: @AP

    You are too dumb to realize that we aren’t talking about Bandera or about the Ukrainian government.

    We are talking about the fact that Vlasov was a Nazi collaborator who served under Hitler and that it is very funny that you, a Vlasovite, are criticizing others for working with Nazis or whatever.

    The other stuff may or may not be true but is irrelevant to the point. You are a fanboy of a Russian Nazi collaborator even as you whine about Nazis. That’s funny. 🙂

    But we know that you can’t get it, you are too slow.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP

    I'm not the dummy with an autistic trait, unlike yourself who has yet to successfully refute any of my points concerning Vlasov and Bandera

    Replies: @AP

  107. Talking about how the Church has changed:

    In 1722, the Superior of Missions wrote in his official report about how the increasing numbers of mulattoes, illegitimate or not, was exposing the colonies “to the terrible punishment of those famous cities of abomination, which were destroyed by the fire of Heaven.” To him, the mingling of the races was “a criminal coupling of men and women of different species, whence comes a fruit which is one of Nature’s monsters.”

  108. @Mikel
    @Sean


    crucially what was in effect an East Donbass veto over Ukraine ever joining Nato
     
    I have never doubted AP and others when they said that but in reality that point was never part of the Minsk Agreements themselves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements

    So I'm not sure where it comes from. With Minsk-2 in place, as I hoped Zelensky would achieve, parts of Donbas would get a special self-government status inside of Ukraine and Ukraine would recover control of the border with Russia but I don't see how an autonomous Donbas could ever hope to prevent Kiev from signing multinational treaties.

    Replies: @AP

    crucially what was in effect an East Donbass veto over Ukraine ever joining Nato

    I have never doubted AP and others when they said that but in reality that point was never part of the Minsk Agreements themselves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements

    So I’m not sure where it comes from

    The nature of the autonomy was kept vague in the original document, with various possible interpretations. It could have simply meant that the locals choose their own governors. This is roughly how the Ukrainian side saw it and wanted it to be. The important thing, however, was how Russian sponsor of the Donbas rebels interpreted it. This is how:

    https://www.chathamhouse.org/2020/05/minsk-conundrum-western-policy-and-russias-war-eastern-ukraine-0/minsk-2-agreement

    Surkov coordinated the drafting of extra demands (published on 13 May as proposals from the DNR/LNR). These would give the occupied regions even greater powers: responsibility for legal regulation of the Ukraine/Russia border; the right to conclude agreements with foreign states; their own charters (which would, for example, prevent the president of Ukraine from dismissing local executive organs); their own budgets to ensure ‘financial autonomy’; and rights to introduce states of emergency and hold elections and referendums. Lastly, Ukraine would write a neutrality clause into its constitution

    :::::::::

    So for example, allowing autonomous Donbas to sign a free trade zone agreement with Russia would effectively veto Ukraine’s integration with the EU.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AP

    Some demands from the rebels on what the Law on Special Status would look like is totally different from what the Minsk Agreements say. Minsk-2 did not include the agreement that Ukraine would not be able to join any military or economic alliance. It's just not there in the Agreement signed by the parties and guarantors.

    This is not to say that Minsk-2 was not a poison pill meant to destabilize Ukraine. Probably none of the signatories had much intention of fulfilling their part of the deal, not even the Western guarantors, we now know. But Ukraine never complied with the legal changes that should precede the rest of the points so the rebels and Russians didn't have the chance to dishonor the agreement themselves.

    In any case, saying that Minsk prevented Ukraine from joining NATO is wrong. At most, that's what the Russian side hoped but, not being in the Agreement, Ukraine had no obligation to meet that demand.

    Replies: @AP

  109. @QCIC
    @A123

    I guess post-WW2 Germany just got too uppity for the powers that be. Is a recurring pattern, Russia seems to be caught in a similar cycle. It looks the USA is still falling into round one, though I suppose the Civil War could have been the first round.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikhail, @A123

    Do not mis under estimate Germany. Nordstream is not destroyed. It is in need of some expensive repair. They still have great engineers. The first cause of all of this is prospective Germany Russia partnership terrifies London and New York goons.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Biden allowed Nordstream to go ahead because Germany was to help with China, which is the enemy. Russians are regarded as an annoyance and not taken seriously by Washington. Germany's manufacturing and capital goods export (China) strategy is totally screwed without cheap energy and the digital transformation is passing them by.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  110. @AP
    @Beckow


    Minsk didn’t cancel Ukraine’s independence: it was a normal autonomy deal that exists all over Europe
     
    Minsk meant that Russia would decide the nature of Ukraine’s constitution and that Russia would set Ukraine’s internal language policy.

    That is a cancellation of independence.

    allowed a foreign country to dictate their internal and external policies.

    By your definition US-EU have been dictating to all others what they can do for decades
     
    Review the word dictate.

    The closest parallel would be occupied Germany and Japan getting constitutions from the American occupiers. Except of course you demanded that Ukraine give in to Russia without even an occupation. A preemptive surrender, like Czechoslovakia in the 1930s.

    On a practical level, it is the Ukies and Poles who are swarming to live among us, begging us to let them be like us

     

    It’s really remarkable how you have the need to throw a lie into every post.

    This is a rather exotic lie.

    There are only about 3,000 Poles in Slovakia, mostly moving due to marriage:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339092648_Migration_of_the_poles_to_Slovakia_after_World_War_II

    Otherwise no point in moving. Average wages are lower (1,200 Euros in Poland versus 1,000 Euros in Slovakia):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage

    And unemployment is higher - 2.7% in Poland versus 6% in Slovakia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_unemployment_rate

    Ukrainians are fleeing the war, but Poles swarming into Slovakia? What a weird thing to lie about.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Review the word dictate.

    All right: must be in Nato, must assist US in its military adventures, must use US dollars and keep its earnings (reserves) in either London or US, must vote with US in “UN”, must privatise and sell to ‘investors’, a lot more… and the US embassy insists on rainbow parades and open borders. Is that enough dictating for you?

    Russia would decide the nature of Ukraine’s constitution and that Russia would set Ukraine’s internal language policy.

    No, only a small part about the Russian minority having autonomy in its region and Ukraine remaining neutral – what’s wrong with that? If Kiev agreed there would be no war, we all know that. So you lie about ‘sky-is-falling’ made-up things that were not even discussed before the war.

    There are only about 3,000 Poles in Slovakia

    We see Poles daily in their beat-up cars trying to sell old bicycles, rotten meat and home-made booze – they don’t look prosperous to us, but we seldom venture to the dreary flatlands over the mountains, usually not much there. If they are getting better, good for you – just don’t try to sell us your crap. And the Ukies begging us to stay are everywhere – refugees? no, most don’t ever want to go back and it is not the “Russians” they are running away from – it is their miserable, corrupt, foreign-dominated country.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Beckow

    I am a little curious - what language is used in these exchanges? Do they speak Polish, Slovak or a mixture? Are the languages close enough to make it irrelevant which is used? Or is it a case of resorting to probably bad English?

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    …Review the word dictate.

    All right: must be in Nato, must assist US in its military adventures, must use US dollars and keep its earnings (reserves) in either London or US, must vote with US in “UN”, must privatise and sell to ‘investors’, a lot
     

    Which of these were forced upon and dictated to whom?

    Was Slovakia forced to be in NATO? Poland?


    Russia would decide the nature of Ukraine’s constitution and that Russia would set Ukraine’s internal language policy.

    No, only a small part about the Russian minority having autonomy in its region and Ukraine remaining neutral
     

    So Russia, a foreign country, would only determine a "small part" of Ukraine's constitution and internal laws and policies.

    So, no longer an independent state.

    And "autonomy", according to the Russian side, meant being able to make treaties with other states (i.e., free trade with Russia) that would therefore cancel Ukraine's ability to, say, link itself with the EU.


    "There are only about 3,000 Poles in Slovakia"

    We see Poles daily in their beat-up cars trying to sell old bicycles, rotten meat and home-made booze
     

    According to Beckow-the-serial-liar.

    Meantime, there are more Czechs, Hungarians, and Romanians in Slovakia then there are Poles. Despite Poland having a huge border and many more people who could move there.


    we seldom venture to the dreary flatlands over the mountains
     
    About 1,000 Slovaks have moved to Poland.

    That's 1/3 of the number of Poles living in Slovakia (3,000)

    Yet Poland has almost 7 times the population of Slovakia.

    So per capita, Slovaks are far more likely to go to Poland than vice versa.

    Poland is of course mostly flat, as is half of Germany (including most of the DDR), the Baltics, Belarus, most of Russia and Ukraine, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, half of France, etc.

    Not sure about dreary. Poland is sunnier than much of northern Europe, including most of Slovakia:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Europe_sunshine_hours_map.png

    Replies: @Mikel, @Beckow

  111. @QCIC
    @A123

    I guess post-WW2 Germany just got too uppity for the powers that be. Is a recurring pattern, Russia seems to be caught in a similar cycle. It looks the USA is still falling into round one, though I suppose the Civil War could have been the first round.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikhail, @A123

  112. @QCIC
    @A123

    I guess post-WW2 Germany just got too uppity for the powers that be. Is a recurring pattern, Russia seems to be caught in a similar cycle. It looks the USA is still falling into round one, though I suppose the Civil War could have been the first round.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikhail, @A123

    The German Greens killed NordStream long before the industrial accident that destroyed 3 out of 4 tubes.

    I guess post-WW2 Germany just got too uppity for the powers that be

    Are you suggesting that the German Greens are the ultimate “powers that be” within the European Empire?

    And, that they became “uppity” with physical reality? For example, in their “uppitiness” the tried to ignore that energy is required to manufacture goods?

    You do provide a decent description of how the German Greens are taking down the German people with no outside intervention.

    PEACE 😇

  113. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Review the word dictate.
     
    All right: must be in Nato, must assist US in its military adventures, must use US dollars and keep its earnings (reserves) in either London or US, must vote with US in "UN", must privatise and sell to 'investors', a lot more... and the US embassy insists on rainbow parades and open borders. Is that enough dictating for you?

    Russia would decide the nature of Ukraine’s constitution and that Russia would set Ukraine’s internal language policy.
     
    No, only a small part about the Russian minority having autonomy in its region and Ukraine remaining neutral - what's wrong with that? If Kiev agreed there would be no war, we all know that. So you lie about 'sky-is-falling' made-up things that were not even discussed before the war.

    There are only about 3,000 Poles in Slovakia
     
    We see Poles daily in their beat-up cars trying to sell old bicycles, rotten meat and home-made booze - they don't look prosperous to us, but we seldom venture to the dreary flatlands over the mountains, usually not much there. If they are getting better, good for you - just don't try to sell us your crap. And the Ukies begging us to stay are everywhere - refugees? no, most don't ever want to go back and it is not the "Russians" they are running away from - it is their miserable, corrupt, foreign-dominated country.

    Replies: @Wielgus, @AP

    I am a little curious – what language is used in these exchanges? Do they speak Polish, Slovak or a mixture? Are the languages close enough to make it irrelevant which is used? Or is it a case of resorting to probably bad English?

  114. On higher level unfortunately it is bad English – the 500-word illiterate version that so much of the world lives in today. The lower ones are a mixture of Polish-Slovak-Czech, even a few Russian, German and English words. Or they just wave arms.

    The Ukies we have don’t seem to do a lot of business, many expect to be taken care off while they wait for overseas visas. The ones working do menial jobs – but all Ukie cleaning ladies in Prague hotels claim they were educated ‘office workers’ back home. How this is a “win” for the ordinary Ukrainians I will never understand. Did they live such miserable lives before?

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Beckow

    "The 500-word illiterate version that so much of the world lives in today"
    The lingua franca of North London, in other words...

  115. @AP
    @Mikel


    crucially what was in effect an East Donbass veto over Ukraine ever joining Nato

    I have never doubted AP and others when they said that but in reality that point was never part of the Minsk Agreements themselves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements

    So I’m not sure where it comes from
     
    The nature of the autonomy was kept vague in the original document, with various possible interpretations. It could have simply meant that the locals choose their own governors. This is roughly how the Ukrainian side saw it and wanted it to be. The important thing, however, was how Russian sponsor of the Donbas rebels interpreted it. This is how:

    https://www.chathamhouse.org/2020/05/minsk-conundrum-western-policy-and-russias-war-eastern-ukraine-0/minsk-2-agreement

    Surkov coordinated the drafting of extra demands (published on 13 May as proposals from the DNR/LNR). These would give the occupied regions even greater powers: responsibility for legal regulation of the Ukraine/Russia border; the right to conclude agreements with foreign states; their own charters (which would, for example, prevent the president of Ukraine from dismissing local executive organs); their own budgets to ensure ‘financial autonomy’; and rights to introduce states of emergency and hold elections and referendums. Lastly, Ukraine would write a neutrality clause into its constitution

    :::::::::

    So for example, allowing autonomous Donbas to sign a free trade zone agreement with Russia would effectively veto Ukraine’s integration with the EU.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Some demands from the rebels on what the Law on Special Status would look like is totally different from what the Minsk Agreements say. Minsk-2 did not include the agreement that Ukraine would not be able to join any military or economic alliance. It’s just not there in the Agreement signed by the parties and guarantors.

    This is not to say that Minsk-2 was not a poison pill meant to destabilize Ukraine. Probably none of the signatories had much intention of fulfilling their part of the deal, not even the Western guarantors, we now know. But Ukraine never complied with the legal changes that should precede the rest of the points so the rebels and Russians didn’t have the chance to dishonor the agreement themselves.

    In any case, saying that Minsk prevented Ukraine from joining NATO is wrong. At most, that’s what the Russian side hoped but, not being in the Agreement, Ukraine had no obligation to meet that demand.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel


    Some demands from the rebels on what the Law on Special Status would look like is totally different from what the Minsk Agreements say
     
    The Minsk agreements state "decentralization" but don't specify what that means. The Russian rebels/Russians consistently have stated that this means that Donbas gets to sign trade agreements with Russia, effectively cancelling EU association or membership. This doesn't contradict the vague "decentralization" stated in the agreement.

    Zelensky, when he sought peace at first, wanted to work out "decentralization" in a way that would be acceptable to a sovereign state (such as allowing local elections for governors rather than have the central government appoint them), but the Russian side wasn't interested in that.

    But Ukraine never complied with the legal changes that should precede the rest of the points
     
    IIRC neither side withdrew their weapons.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  116. @AP
    @Mikhail

    You are too dumb to realize that we aren’t talking about Bandera or about the Ukrainian government.

    We are talking about the fact that Vlasov was a Nazi collaborator who served under Hitler and that it is very funny that you, a Vlasovite, are criticizing others for working with Nazis or whatever.

    The other stuff may or may not be true but is irrelevant to the point. You are a fanboy of a Russian Nazi collaborator even as you whine about Nazis. That’s funny. :-)

    But we know that you can’t get it, you are too slow.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    I’m not the dummy with an autistic trait, unlike yourself who has yet to successfully refute any of my points concerning Vlasov and Bandera

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail

    You are clearly autistic, it is evident in your writing style, your linguistic impairment, and your personal life (poor social skills, never married). I don't make fun of you for that, it just is. At least you are fairly high functioning.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikhail

  117. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...Review the word dictate.
     
    All right: must be in Nato, must assist US in its military adventures, must use US dollars and keep its earnings (reserves) in either London or US, must vote with US in "UN", must privatise and sell to 'investors', a lot more... and the US embassy insists on rainbow parades and open borders. Is that enough dictating for you?

    Russia would decide the nature of Ukraine’s constitution and that Russia would set Ukraine’s internal language policy.
     
    No, only a small part about the Russian minority having autonomy in its region and Ukraine remaining neutral - what's wrong with that? If Kiev agreed there would be no war, we all know that. So you lie about 'sky-is-falling' made-up things that were not even discussed before the war.

    There are only about 3,000 Poles in Slovakia
     
    We see Poles daily in their beat-up cars trying to sell old bicycles, rotten meat and home-made booze - they don't look prosperous to us, but we seldom venture to the dreary flatlands over the mountains, usually not much there. If they are getting better, good for you - just don't try to sell us your crap. And the Ukies begging us to stay are everywhere - refugees? no, most don't ever want to go back and it is not the "Russians" they are running away from - it is their miserable, corrupt, foreign-dominated country.

    Replies: @Wielgus, @AP

    …Review the word dictate.

    All right: must be in Nato, must assist US in its military adventures, must use US dollars and keep its earnings (reserves) in either London or US, must vote with US in “UN”, must privatise and sell to ‘investors’, a lot

    Which of these were forced upon and dictated to whom?

    Was Slovakia forced to be in NATO? Poland?

    Russia would decide the nature of Ukraine’s constitution and that Russia would set Ukraine’s internal language policy.

    No, only a small part about the Russian minority having autonomy in its region and Ukraine remaining neutral

    So Russia, a foreign country, would only determine a “small part” of Ukraine’s constitution and internal laws and policies.

    So, no longer an independent state.

    And “autonomy”, according to the Russian side, meant being able to make treaties with other states (i.e., free trade with Russia) that would therefore cancel Ukraine’s ability to, say, link itself with the EU.

    “There are only about 3,000 Poles in Slovakia”

    We see Poles daily in their beat-up cars trying to sell old bicycles, rotten meat and home-made booze

    According to Beckow-the-serial-liar.

    Meantime, there are more Czechs, Hungarians, and Romanians in Slovakia then there are Poles. Despite Poland having a huge border and many more people who could move there.

    we seldom venture to the dreary flatlands over the mountains

    About 1,000 Slovaks have moved to Poland.

    That’s 1/3 of the number of Poles living in Slovakia (3,000)

    Yet Poland has almost 7 times the population of Slovakia.

    So per capita, Slovaks are far more likely to go to Poland than vice versa.

    Poland is of course mostly flat, as is half of Germany (including most of the DDR), the Baltics, Belarus, most of Russia and Ukraine, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, half of France, etc.

    Not sure about dreary. Poland is sunnier than much of northern Europe, including most of Slovakia:

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @AP

    That sunshine duration map of Europe looks quite unreliable. Just a few examples:

    Vitoria-Gasteiz is inside the 2000-2500 hours sector but in fact it only has 1,886/year:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitoria-Gasteiz#Climate

    Bordeaux is well inside the 1800-2000 sector but it exceeds 2000 at 2,069/year:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bordeaux#Climate

    Warsaw is in the 1600-1800 sector but is almost 2000 at 1,998/year:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw#Climate

    Sorry. My climate nuttiness didn't allow me to let that pass.

    , @Beckow
    @AP


    Which of these were forced upon and dictated to whom? Was Slovakia forced to be in NATO?
     
    All of them. We were told that without being in Nato we can't be in EU. Period.

    You have double standards when it comes to applying the term dictate. The inconsistency you display - some can, others can't - is a sign of poor mental health. Or desperate losing ideology: Russia having any say is a "dictat", but your side is all saints. Right? St. Augustine said that all saints have past...are you so unaware?


    And “autonomy”, according to the Russian side, meant being able to make treaties with other states (i.e., free trade with Russia) that would therefore cancel Ukraine’s ability to, say, link itself with the EU....So, no longer an independent state.
     
    Complete nonsense. The Aland Islands have autonomy in Finland and strong links to Sweden, is Finland not independent? South Tyrol in Italy, endless other examples of regions that have trade and cultural links to others. You are making up a straw-man because you know there was no reason for Kiev to reject Minsk and provoke the war. It will end much worse for them now. You medicate yourself with scary lies.

    Poland having a huge border and many more people who could move there.
     
    And yet, almost nobody did until the luckless Ukies showed up. You are mixing what I said: Polish peddlers doing odd jobs, selling crap to do 'business' and people who permanently migrate to live in other countries. You either lack logic or you are intentionally deceptive.

    Finally, a guy who claims that Poland is a sunny paradise...have you been there? Or better, have you visited other places? But contra gustos no hay disputas...

    Replies: @LatW, @A123, @AP

  118. • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Why is Putin's propagandist calling for a tactical nuke if everything is going so well?
    https://www.newsweek.com/putin-state-tv-host-russia-ukraine-nuclear-weapons-1821567

    Napolitano is a sad Putin hack who has been cheering the Russians since the war started. He isn't as overt as Ritter but his position is obvious by the show format where he lets pro-Putin guests ramble while he nods and makes cracks about Zelenksy. As with other Putin defenders he is obsessed with Zelensky and Nuland. It's all about the Jews to him but he doesn't have the balls to say it.

    I did some research into Napolitano and turns out that he is a closet homo who was kicked out of Fox News for sexually harassing young men:
    https://news.yahoo.com/andrew-napolitano-fox-sexual-harassment-224300192.html

    Are self-hating men just somehow attracted to Putin?

    No wife or kids and has been accused of sexually harassing men.

    Closet homo.

    The Putin US Dream Team is unreal. A convicted sex offender, a closeted homo, some America hater who makes fake war videos, Steven Seagal. Just an amazing lineup.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikhail, @QCIC

  119. @Mikhail
    @AP

    I'm not the dummy with an autistic trait, unlike yourself who has yet to successfully refute any of my points concerning Vlasov and Bandera

    Replies: @AP

    You are clearly autistic, it is evident in your writing style, your linguistic impairment, and your personal life (poor social skills, never married). I don’t make fun of you for that, it just is. At least you are fairly high functioning.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Honestly, autists should get married if they will have the opportunity to do so. Maybe it would be easiest for them to marry other autists, though then they might need IVF and genetic screening for their kids in order to prevent their kids from becoming non-functional autists (as in, in order to significantly reduce this possibility).

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mikhail
    @AP

    Your svido way of having lost on your idiotically stated dumb ass comments.

  120. @Mikel
    @AP

    Some demands from the rebels on what the Law on Special Status would look like is totally different from what the Minsk Agreements say. Minsk-2 did not include the agreement that Ukraine would not be able to join any military or economic alliance. It's just not there in the Agreement signed by the parties and guarantors.

    This is not to say that Minsk-2 was not a poison pill meant to destabilize Ukraine. Probably none of the signatories had much intention of fulfilling their part of the deal, not even the Western guarantors, we now know. But Ukraine never complied with the legal changes that should precede the rest of the points so the rebels and Russians didn't have the chance to dishonor the agreement themselves.

    In any case, saying that Minsk prevented Ukraine from joining NATO is wrong. At most, that's what the Russian side hoped but, not being in the Agreement, Ukraine had no obligation to meet that demand.

    Replies: @AP

    Some demands from the rebels on what the Law on Special Status would look like is totally different from what the Minsk Agreements say

    The Minsk agreements state “decentralization” but don’t specify what that means. The Russian rebels/Russians consistently have stated that this means that Donbas gets to sign trade agreements with Russia, effectively cancelling EU association or membership. This doesn’t contradict the vague “decentralization” stated in the agreement.

    Zelensky, when he sought peace at first, wanted to work out “decentralization” in a way that would be acceptable to a sovereign state (such as allowing local elections for governors rather than have the central government appoint them), but the Russian side wasn’t interested in that.

    But Ukraine never complied with the legal changes that should precede the rest of the points

    IIRC neither side withdrew their weapons.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    The Minsk agreements state “decentralization” but don’t specify what that means. The Russian rebels/Russians consistently have stated that this means that Donbas gets to sign trade agreements with Russia, effectively cancelling EU association or membership. This doesn’t contradict the vague “decentralization” stated in the agreement.
     
    I suppose that Russia could have argued that Ukraine could sign its own agreements with the EU but that these agreements with the EU simply wouldn't apply to the Donbass? But then the Donbass would have been independent in all but name, no?

    But Yeah, as I have said for years, it's rather difficult to get a sovereign state to give 10-20% of its population veto power in determining its domestic and foreign policies. Interestingly enough, federalization was unpopular even in Novorossiya outside of the Donbass even back in early and mid-2014. And even in the Donbass, support for it was only about 50-50 at best back then. Though AFAIK, this Ukrainian polling didn't actually define what "federalization" meant, so people could have had their own impressions of this term.
  121. @AP
    @Mr. XYZ


    Would Poles have still fought Hitler without the Anglo-French guarantees or would they have capitulated like the Czechs and Slovaks did?
     
    Making that alliance rather than accepting a more convenient one with Hitler who had wanted one but who was refused by Poland was itself an example of Polish “stubbornness.”

    Without Anglo-French guarantees Poland would have had pursued some other anti-German alliance. Maybe not have demanded Polish-inhabited lands back from Czechoslovakia as a condition for an alliance with that state. I doubt Poland would have voluntarily given up its lands to anyone, without a fight.

    Population ratio of Finland to USSR was worse than Germany-Poland and Finns chose to fight Soviets without an alliance.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Mr. XYZ

    Making that alliance rather than accepting a more convenient one with Hitler who had wanted one but who was refused by Poland was itself an example of Polish “stubbornness.”

    Yep, but one indeed has to wonder whether Poland would have been better off trying to make a deal with Hitler. Millions of Polish citizens perished in WWII, after all. Had Poland allied with Hitler, ethnic Poles could have fared much better, and ditto for Polish Jews since Hitler gave his loyal allies more leeway in dealing with their Jewish problem than he gave to his enemies. A Nazi alliance would have been an especially good thing for Poland had Poland not been asked to participate in a Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union and had Poland not been asked to engage in either mass murder or forced sterilizations by the Nazis.

    Such a scenario would have been worse for the Soviets in the medium-term, but I’m unsure about the short-term or the long-term because the Soviets might not have been as bled dry in this scenario and I also don’t know just how capable the Nazis would be in regards to holding onto the Soviet Union indefinitely without a large-scale permanent Nazi troop presence there. And mass deportations of tens of millions of Slavs are going to be quite logistically challenging to execute in and of themselves. Though Soviet Jews would get deported en masse to Siberia or Central Asia or wherever rather than having millions of them get murdered, most likely.

    Without Anglo-French guarantees Poland would have had pursued some other anti-German alliance. Maybe not have demanded Polish-inhabited lands back from Czechoslovakia as a condition for an alliance with that state. I doubt Poland would have voluntarily given up its lands to anyone, without a fight.

    Danzig was not Polish territory and thus could have been given up without sacrificing Poland’s territorial integrity. Hitler did not demand the Polish Corridor before Poland accepted the British Guarantee. Rather, Hitler simply wanted an elevated extraterritorial road through the Polish Corridor, according to what I have read on the Axis History Forum. Similar to this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elevated_highway

    Danzig and an elevated road through the Polish Corridor were reasonable Nazi demands, frankly. Poland already had its own port at Gdynia by then and the Nazis were apparently willing to give Poland trading rights at Danzig as well.

    Population ratio of Finland to USSR was worse than Germany-Poland and Finns chose to fight Soviets without an alliance.

    TBF, the Soviets killed millions during peacetime (either directly or indirectly), whereas the Nazis did not. That probably made Soviet occupation seem more intolerable relative to Nazi occupation, before one could actually foresee the Holocaust. Nazi occupation in Czechia pre-WWII was probably brutal but nevertheless did not involve mass murder yet. Finns, on the other hand, could have quite reasonably expected the mass murder or at least the gulagization of anyone who resisted any new Soviet-imposed Communist order in Finland.

    Interestingly enough, since Poland decided to resist the Nazis, allying with both the Anglo-French and the Soviet Union would have probably been the best move. At the very least, Poland could have asked for written guarantees from the Anglo-French that they would be willing to fight the Soviet Union if the Soviet Union would have refused to withdraw from Poland after an Allied victory over Nazi Germany. Simultaneously pissing off both of its powerful neighbors was not a smart move for Poland!

    As for Teschen, I think that Poland unnecessarily made a big deal out of it. AFAIK, a major railroad ran through there, so it made sense for Czechoslovakia to want it and to want to keep it. Once Czechoslovakia gave territory to Nazi Germany, I could understand why Poland would want its own small share, but Poland should not have made the return of Teschen a precondition for an alliance with Czechoslovakia beforehand.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Mr. XYZ

    Honestly, I wonder if the three million Polish Jews that were murdered during the Holocaust would have preferred a Nazi-Polish alliance, but with many more of them surviving, over real life. They would have likely most of all preferred an Anglo-Franco-Soviet alliance against Nazi Germany, though.

  122. @AP
    @Mikel


    Some demands from the rebels on what the Law on Special Status would look like is totally different from what the Minsk Agreements say
     
    The Minsk agreements state "decentralization" but don't specify what that means. The Russian rebels/Russians consistently have stated that this means that Donbas gets to sign trade agreements with Russia, effectively cancelling EU association or membership. This doesn't contradict the vague "decentralization" stated in the agreement.

    Zelensky, when he sought peace at first, wanted to work out "decentralization" in a way that would be acceptable to a sovereign state (such as allowing local elections for governors rather than have the central government appoint them), but the Russian side wasn't interested in that.

    But Ukraine never complied with the legal changes that should precede the rest of the points
     
    IIRC neither side withdrew their weapons.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    The Minsk agreements state “decentralization” but don’t specify what that means. The Russian rebels/Russians consistently have stated that this means that Donbas gets to sign trade agreements with Russia, effectively cancelling EU association or membership. This doesn’t contradict the vague “decentralization” stated in the agreement.

    I suppose that Russia could have argued that Ukraine could sign its own agreements with the EU but that these agreements with the EU simply wouldn’t apply to the Donbass? But then the Donbass would have been independent in all but name, no?

    But Yeah, as I have said for years, it’s rather difficult to get a sovereign state to give 10-20% of its population veto power in determining its domestic and foreign policies. Interestingly enough, federalization was unpopular even in Novorossiya outside of the Donbass even back in early and mid-2014. And even in the Donbass, support for it was only about 50-50 at best back then. Though AFAIK, this Ukrainian polling didn’t actually define what “federalization” meant, so people could have had their own impressions of this term.

  123. @AP
    @Mikhail

    You are clearly autistic, it is evident in your writing style, your linguistic impairment, and your personal life (poor social skills, never married). I don't make fun of you for that, it just is. At least you are fairly high functioning.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikhail

    Honestly, autists should get married if they will have the opportunity to do so. Maybe it would be easiest for them to marry other autists, though then they might need IVF and genetic screening for their kids in order to prevent their kids from becoming non-functional autists (as in, in order to significantly reduce this possibility).

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Honestly, autists should get married if they will have the opportunity to do so. Maybe it would be easiest for them to marry other autists, though then they might need IVF and genetic screening for their kids in order to prevent their kids from becoming non-functional autists (as in, in order to significantly reduce this possibility).

    It's probably something in the environment.

    There was a pretty significant increase since the late 90s.

    Replies: @sudden death

  124. @AP
    @Mikhail

    You are clearly autistic, it is evident in your writing style, your linguistic impairment, and your personal life (poor social skills, never married). I don't make fun of you for that, it just is. At least you are fairly high functioning.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Mikhail

    Your svido way of having lost on your idiotically stated dumb ass comments.

  125. @AP
    @Beckow


    …Review the word dictate.

    All right: must be in Nato, must assist US in its military adventures, must use US dollars and keep its earnings (reserves) in either London or US, must vote with US in “UN”, must privatise and sell to ‘investors’, a lot
     

    Which of these were forced upon and dictated to whom?

    Was Slovakia forced to be in NATO? Poland?


    Russia would decide the nature of Ukraine’s constitution and that Russia would set Ukraine’s internal language policy.

    No, only a small part about the Russian minority having autonomy in its region and Ukraine remaining neutral
     

    So Russia, a foreign country, would only determine a "small part" of Ukraine's constitution and internal laws and policies.

    So, no longer an independent state.

    And "autonomy", according to the Russian side, meant being able to make treaties with other states (i.e., free trade with Russia) that would therefore cancel Ukraine's ability to, say, link itself with the EU.


    "There are only about 3,000 Poles in Slovakia"

    We see Poles daily in their beat-up cars trying to sell old bicycles, rotten meat and home-made booze
     

    According to Beckow-the-serial-liar.

    Meantime, there are more Czechs, Hungarians, and Romanians in Slovakia then there are Poles. Despite Poland having a huge border and many more people who could move there.


    we seldom venture to the dreary flatlands over the mountains
     
    About 1,000 Slovaks have moved to Poland.

    That's 1/3 of the number of Poles living in Slovakia (3,000)

    Yet Poland has almost 7 times the population of Slovakia.

    So per capita, Slovaks are far more likely to go to Poland than vice versa.

    Poland is of course mostly flat, as is half of Germany (including most of the DDR), the Baltics, Belarus, most of Russia and Ukraine, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, half of France, etc.

    Not sure about dreary. Poland is sunnier than much of northern Europe, including most of Slovakia:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Europe_sunshine_hours_map.png

    Replies: @Mikel, @Beckow

    That sunshine duration map of Europe looks quite unreliable. Just a few examples:

    Vitoria-Gasteiz is inside the 2000-2500 hours sector but in fact it only has 1,886/year:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitoria-Gasteiz#Climate

    Bordeaux is well inside the 1800-2000 sector but it exceeds 2000 at 2,069/year:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bordeaux#Climate

    Warsaw is in the 1600-1800 sector but is almost 2000 at 1,998/year:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw#Climate

    Sorry. My climate nuttiness didn’t allow me to let that pass.

  126. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Making that alliance rather than accepting a more convenient one with Hitler who had wanted one but who was refused by Poland was itself an example of Polish “stubbornness.”
     
    Yep, but one indeed has to wonder whether Poland would have been better off trying to make a deal with Hitler. Millions of Polish citizens perished in WWII, after all. Had Poland allied with Hitler, ethnic Poles could have fared much better, and ditto for Polish Jews since Hitler gave his loyal allies more leeway in dealing with their Jewish problem than he gave to his enemies. A Nazi alliance would have been an especially good thing for Poland had Poland not been asked to participate in a Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union and had Poland not been asked to engage in either mass murder or forced sterilizations by the Nazis.

    Such a scenario would have been worse for the Soviets in the medium-term, but I'm unsure about the short-term or the long-term because the Soviets might not have been as bled dry in this scenario and I also don't know just how capable the Nazis would be in regards to holding onto the Soviet Union indefinitely without a large-scale permanent Nazi troop presence there. And mass deportations of tens of millions of Slavs are going to be quite logistically challenging to execute in and of themselves. Though Soviet Jews would get deported en masse to Siberia or Central Asia or wherever rather than having millions of them get murdered, most likely.


    Without Anglo-French guarantees Poland would have had pursued some other anti-German alliance. Maybe not have demanded Polish-inhabited lands back from Czechoslovakia as a condition for an alliance with that state. I doubt Poland would have voluntarily given up its lands to anyone, without a fight.
     
    Danzig was not Polish territory and thus could have been given up without sacrificing Poland's territorial integrity. Hitler did not demand the Polish Corridor before Poland accepted the British Guarantee. Rather, Hitler simply wanted an elevated extraterritorial road through the Polish Corridor, according to what I have read on the Axis History Forum. Similar to this:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Yan%27an_Elevated_Road_Huashan_Road_Jingan_Park.jpeg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elevated_highway

    Danzig and an elevated road through the Polish Corridor were reasonable Nazi demands, frankly. Poland already had its own port at Gdynia by then and the Nazis were apparently willing to give Poland trading rights at Danzig as well.


    Population ratio of Finland to USSR was worse than Germany-Poland and Finns chose to fight Soviets without an alliance.
     
    TBF, the Soviets killed millions during peacetime (either directly or indirectly), whereas the Nazis did not. That probably made Soviet occupation seem more intolerable relative to Nazi occupation, before one could actually foresee the Holocaust. Nazi occupation in Czechia pre-WWII was probably brutal but nevertheless did not involve mass murder yet. Finns, on the other hand, could have quite reasonably expected the mass murder or at least the gulagization of anyone who resisted any new Soviet-imposed Communist order in Finland.

    Interestingly enough, since Poland decided to resist the Nazis, allying with both the Anglo-French and the Soviet Union would have probably been the best move. At the very least, Poland could have asked for written guarantees from the Anglo-French that they would be willing to fight the Soviet Union if the Soviet Union would have refused to withdraw from Poland after an Allied victory over Nazi Germany. Simultaneously pissing off both of its powerful neighbors was not a smart move for Poland!

    As for Teschen, I think that Poland unnecessarily made a big deal out of it. AFAIK, a major railroad ran through there, so it made sense for Czechoslovakia to want it and to want to keep it. Once Czechoslovakia gave territory to Nazi Germany, I could understand why Poland would want its own small share, but Poland should not have made the return of Teschen a precondition for an alliance with Czechoslovakia beforehand.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Honestly, I wonder if the three million Polish Jews that were murdered during the Holocaust would have preferred a Nazi-Polish alliance, but with many more of them surviving, over real life. They would have likely most of all preferred an Anglo-Franco-Soviet alliance against Nazi Germany, though.

  127. @QCIC
    @(((They))) Live

    There is no reason to believe DNA test results in this intrigue-filled scenario. Could it be true? Sure. Could they fool us? Duh.



    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/epic-drug-lab-scandal-results-more-20-000-convictions-dropped-n747891

    Someone needs fake DNA test results. Prigozhin says "I know a guy" which probably sounds way cooler in Russian.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    A hypothetical fake death of Prigozhin, would be a story like in some of the famous mafia films. For example, the story of the film “Once Upon in America”.

    However, I’m not sure it would be too easy for him to hide after as he was one of the most famous celebrities in the world. In Russia or Belarus people would probably immediately identify him if he goes out. Probably even in Miami.

    He would need at least somewhere few people follow about the war in Ukraine, which might not be so many parts of the world. Maybe some distant parts of Africa or Latin America.

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @Dmitry

    One possible approach is modest cosmetic surgery combined with a new life story as a long lost brother named Boris who looks surprisingly like the infamous Yevgeny.

    , @John Johnson
    @Dmitry

    A hypothetical fake death of Prigozhin, would be a story like in some of the famous mafia films. For example, the story of the film “Once Upon in America”.

    They already DNA'd him.

    Prigozhin had a deathwish. I'm not at all surprised that he returned to Moscow.

    Making a deal to enter Belarus was nuts given that he tried to start an insurrection.

    He needed to exit Eastern Europe entirely. The guy had over a billion dollars. He could have built a fortress in Argentina with thousands of guards and waited out the war.

    I don't think we will ever understand the real Prigozhin.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  128. @QCIC
    What if China decides to transition from quantity to quality? Maybe they would turn their back on the Western world and let things catch up after the frenzied growth and prosperity of the past 30 years. What do they really need? Food and energy plus a few other things. Maybe they just need to produce enough to support the basics in terms of imports and exports and stay focussed on internal prosperity. In a productive sense they already have too much of almost everything. Maybe they need to prune a lot of the businesses they don't need and go to the 30 hour work week, leaving more time for health, welfare and intellectual and spiritual pursuits. They have a lot of billionaires but the CPC can just tell them to go up the country if they don't like it.

    If they keep increasing productivity it seems they may soon get to the point of having to give stuff away and then why bother?

    For energy maybe they should just clone Starship and put up solar power satellites.

    Replies: @Adept, @Dmitry

    There are some better quality brands or products in some areas from China nowadays.

    The issue with middle income trap, is it even possible to transfer a significant part of the manufacturing to a more labor cost invariant areas.

    Also China is a very large economy, so this could be more difficult than for smaller countries, because probably most of the manufacturing in the world is labor cost variant and China’s advantage is a low cost of labor. So, would there be enough demand in the world economy for the labor cost invariant manufacturing for a country as large as China to escape middle income trap.

  129. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Does not compute. The Brits are pretty damn good at making Formula One cars, but can't make a quality car for everyman anymore (not helped by their government going electric car mad, which the Brits are even less able to make than petrol/diesel cars) without help from Nissan/Ford/GM.

    I drove a Chinese van last year, a Ford Transit "white van man" equivalent vehicle. It was pretty damn good.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxus_V90

    Half the medical kit in Brit hospitals is Chinese. Not looked at big-ticket things like MRI scanners, but the x-ray machines with "General Electric" on the side are made in China.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @Dmitry

    EVs are a lot easier to enter market, easier to build, than ICEVs. The transition to EVs means more countries’ companies could enter the automobile export market.

    Tesla already showed the EV transition allows for entry to previously closed industry for new companies, as one of the first new automobile companies in America which is making profit since many years earlier.

    Even Vietnam has domestic EV companies now, with “Vin Fast”.

    There was a kind of crazy hype with their stock launching this month.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Dmitry

    https://www.ft.com/content/c5af0740-7fba-4c9d-962d-8a1b563196e3

    Vietnamese EV maker worth more than Ford or GM after US listing

    No paywall: https://archive.li/TX86r#selection-1819.0-1821.2

    I posted this in newslinks a couple weeks ago.

  130. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @QCIC

    Do not mis under estimate Germany. Nordstream is not destroyed. It is in need of some expensive repair. They still have great engineers. The first cause of all of this is prospective Germany Russia partnership terrifies London and New York goons.

    Replies: @Sean

    Biden allowed Nordstream to go ahead because Germany was to help with China, which is the enemy. Russians are regarded as an annoyance and not taken seriously by Washington. Germany’s manufacturing and capital goods export (China) strategy is totally screwed without cheap energy and the digital transformation is passing them by.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sean

    If your digital revolution is the FAGM's + AI then everybody it passes by may be at an advantage real soon now. : )

    Replies: @Sean

  131. @YetAnotherAnon
    Just idly browsing the 2019 Rand report on "Extending Russia":

    https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html

    "Continuing to expand U.S. energy production in all forms, including renewables, and encouraging other countries to do the same would maximize pressure on Russia's export receipts and thus on its national and defense budgets. Alone among the many measures looked at in this report, this one comes with the least cost or risk."
     
    It's almost risk-free to blow up Europe's main energy pipeline, because they're so supine AND they'll buy American LPG. But... the Saudis cut production and the oil price is rising again. Coal use was a record in 2022, and oil use will be a record in 2023.

    The Saudis seem to be belatedly coming to the conclusion that permanent war in the M.E. maybe isn't all it's cracked up to be.

    Must say the Brit tanks are being well hidden. No firework videos yet. I guess they're being held back for the blitzkrieg thrust to Melitopol ;-)

    Replies: @LondonBob

    In reality renewables have a very heavy cost.

    I have always wondered if there isn’t some ulterior motive to the renewables nonsense, apart from the grift.

  132. (((Grant Shapps))), who under a false identity wrote and sold a £400 booklet on the internet on how to run a Ponzi scheme, becomes Defence Secretary. Impotently spouts some nonsense about Ukraine in his first statement.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @LondonBob

    I didn't realize that Grant is a Jewish name:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_Shapps

    Replies: @LondonBob

  133. Replying to John Johnson from the other thread:

    I dislike many aspects of Mormon religion and life, but nevertheless anyone who has had any contact with them must admit they are an interesting group with some features that stand out in modern America.

    (I am basing my impressions on a job I had in my twenties which had me visit Utah on and off for a year, and later random trips).

    Of all Whites, they seem the only group that has retained some genuine corporate self-confidence and vitality (there are plenty of supremely self-confident Whites among the elites, but as individuals). I’ve seen Mormons get angry, and act with self-assertion, in a way I rarely see with other Whites – they seem to have retained some connection to the thymotic side of life. I’ve also seen frequent acts of explicit politeness and kindness that reflect a self-conscious striving after “virtue” that stands out in the cynical wasteland of modernity. And there is an interest in dressing at least somewhat decorously and attractively that suggests the hint of a connection to a concern with aesthetics, however attenuated.

    They are also the only Whites I’ve seen who are almost as interested in money as Jews 🙂 And who will be unashamed to clearly act with money interests in mind in a way that’s unusual among Whites and more common among Jews and Chinese (and perhaps certain subcontinentals).

    The connection to money is interesting. I’m on record for thinking money is one of the great evils of life, but on “lower” levels it can reflect a desire to live and flourish for a minority group that does not have the same level of access to the standard forms of power as the majority.

    It’s likely forgotten today, but the Scottish were known for being extreme misers and money hoarders (anyone remember Scrooge McDuck lol?), and having an obsession with money. The Scots were a conquered minority within the United Kingdom – and that probably likewise accounts for the explosion of Scottish genius starting in the 18th century and the truly outsized contribution the Scots made both to the intellectual development of Great Britain and the practical tasks of administering the Empire and developing the physical infrastructure of modernity.

    Of course there is a dark and disturbing side to Mormon life, and there is often a vulgar and gross materialism, and egotistic selfishness – and one can easily see how others can be antagonized by a group that is excessively self-regarding. And Mormon religion contains many extremely unattractive elements, and I am not offering them up as a perfect example of spiritual health.

    Like everyone else in modernity, Mormons are a deeply sick community – and even the good things are often more lower level approaches to and reflections – often even distortions – of a more distant true good than their full realization, but it may be that one can learn some lesson from them.

    The one White American community that is imperfectly assimilated to modern life but still participates in it, that has retained some vital connection to the “irrational”, seems to have avoided at least some of the worst and most advanced excesses of the dysfunctions afflicting most everyone else.

    Interesting.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    Did you see the South Park episode on them?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaRsv1xNT3A

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWoePkBt31g

    , @John Johnson
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    I’ve seen Mormons get angry, and act with self-assertion, in a way I rarely see with other Whites – they seem to have retained some connection to the thymotic side of life. I’ve also seen frequent acts of explicit politeness and kindness that reflect a self-conscious striving after “virtue” that stands out in the cynical wasteland of modernity.

    Yes they can be friendly until they want something from you. If you are non-Mormon then you will be subject to a different set of rules.

    The one White American community that is imperfectly assimilated to modern life but still participates in it, that has retained some vital connection to the “irrational”, seems to have avoided at least some of the worst and most advanced excesses of the dysfunctions afflicting most everyone else.

    I think you are over-idealizing them. In no way would I describe them as being in more touch with spirituality than say average Catholics.

    Their morality that they claim to be spiritual is a front. There is nothing in the Bible that says to be honest and fair until you start doing business with non-Mormons. Christianity is not supposed to "turn off" when the business day starts.

    They only participate in non-Mormon life when required.

    I was warned about doing business with them but assumed it was just mainstream Christian bigotry. Wouldn't these pro-family Mormons extend their strong morals into business and daily life? I figured they have a bad rep from Christians that are offended by their additional beliefs.

    I was wrong. I fully admit that.

    They are not simply obsessed with greed or drive for money. They actually wouldn't be that bad if they were simply materialistic. The problem is that they view non-Mormons with complete disdain and not as fellow Americans that are deserving of some basic level of business ethics.

    They view the current world as a spiritual test and the successful enter heaven to manage their own world where at most we get to be their servants. So by rejecting the Mormon faith we prove that we have utterly failed the divine calling and thus we might as well be exploited on earth and in heaven. Secular Americans don't even get to be servants. They go to hell.

    Mormon door knockers might seem friendly but they haven't reached the period where they are under pressure to have a large family and modern house which in the current economy can be difficult. The men look to cut corners in business which leads to their reputation.

    Their religion is extremely controlling and most likely dysgenic. It started out as polygamous but without a plan for what to do with the excess men. The origin story reads like an SNL sketch where a man actually tells his wife that an angel told him to take multiple wives.

    As a religion it selects for submission and ex-communicates the rebellious and independently minded. Women are not allowed to select non-Mormons and are under pressure to choose their husband early. This leads to them selecting from a limited gene pool and often for non-physical characteristics. Meaning they are not selecting the strongest or healthiest men in a mixed community. In many ways it functions like a nerd mafia. I actually don't think half the men buy into the beliefs. They like that the women are locked down and they get a lot of business connections.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak, @AP

  134. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    Replying to John Johnson from the other thread:

    I dislike many aspects of Mormon religion and life, but nevertheless anyone who has had any contact with them must admit they are an interesting group with some features that stand out in modern America.

    (I am basing my impressions on a job I had in my twenties which had me visit Utah on and off for a year, and later random trips).

    Of all Whites, they seem the only group that has retained some genuine corporate self-confidence and vitality (there are plenty of supremely self-confident Whites among the elites, but as individuals). I've seen Mormons get angry, and act with self-assertion, in a way I rarely see with other Whites - they seem to have retained some connection to the thymotic side of life. I've also seen frequent acts of explicit politeness and kindness that reflect a self-conscious striving after "virtue" that stands out in the cynical wasteland of modernity. And there is an interest in dressing at least somewhat decorously and attractively that suggests the hint of a connection to a concern with aesthetics, however attenuated.

    They are also the only Whites I've seen who are almost as interested in money as Jews :) And who will be unashamed to clearly act with money interests in mind in a way that's unusual among Whites and more common among Jews and Chinese (and perhaps certain subcontinentals).

    The connection to money is interesting. I'm on record for thinking money is one of the great evils of life, but on "lower" levels it can reflect a desire to live and flourish for a minority group that does not have the same level of access to the standard forms of power as the majority.

    It's likely forgotten today, but the Scottish were known for being extreme misers and money hoarders (anyone remember Scrooge McDuck lol?), and having an obsession with money. The Scots were a conquered minority within the United Kingdom - and that probably likewise accounts for the explosion of Scottish genius starting in the 18th century and the truly outsized contribution the Scots made both to the intellectual development of Great Britain and the practical tasks of administering the Empire and developing the physical infrastructure of modernity.

    Of course there is a dark and disturbing side to Mormon life, and there is often a vulgar and gross materialism, and egotistic selfishness - and one can easily see how others can be antagonized by a group that is excessively self-regarding. And Mormon religion contains many extremely unattractive elements, and I am not offering them up as a perfect example of spiritual health.

    Like everyone else in modernity, Mormons are a deeply sick community - and even the good things are often more lower level approaches to and reflections - often even distortions - of a more distant true good than their full realization, but it may be that one can learn some lesson from them.

    The one White American community that is imperfectly assimilated to modern life but still participates in it, that has retained some vital connection to the "irrational", seems to have avoided at least some of the worst and most advanced excesses of the dysfunctions afflicting most everyone else.

    Interesting.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @John Johnson

    Did you see the South Park episode on them?

  135. Watched Hitchcock’s Lifeboat (1944). (Slight spoilers)

    [MORE]

    His war propaganda films definitely weren’t his best work. But at least this one didn’t have a tranny (for such I count a ‘bearded lady’) speaking about American values and democracy. (See: 1942’s Sabateur.)

    Still, it was very hamfisted, and I think about 20 minutes too long for its concept.

    What I find most interesting about it is some of the press response. The film was criticized for its depiction of the German villain having too many admirable traits (really he was depicted as unrealistically evil)

    And the film was also criticized for its subservient depiction of the black character. (The only black I can recall in a Hitchcock film, off the top of my head.) This I find even more bizarre. IMO, the black character is depicted as being slightly numinous.

    In dialogue, it is revealed he saved a baby from a crazy mother trying to drown it – really sounds physically impossible on the high seas. He seems to be the only man depicted with a nuclear family (via photo.). When a prayer is needed, everyone else bumbles, but it is first to his lips. He provides the music to cheer everyone’s spirits, and is the means to reveal the German’s plot – curiously enough, through his skillful pickpocketing that he has sworn off.

    Steinbeck, who helped write the screenplay, publicly distanced himself from the film for these two press criticisms.

    During filming one of the actors was caught below a wave-maker and broke a few ribs.

  136. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Honestly, autists should get married if they will have the opportunity to do so. Maybe it would be easiest for them to marry other autists, though then they might need IVF and genetic screening for their kids in order to prevent their kids from becoming non-functional autists (as in, in order to significantly reduce this possibility).

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Honestly, autists should get married if they will have the opportunity to do so. Maybe it would be easiest for them to marry other autists, though then they might need IVF and genetic screening for their kids in order to prevent their kids from becoming non-functional autists (as in, in order to significantly reduce this possibility).

    It’s probably something in the environment.

    There was a pretty significant increase since the late 90s.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @John Johnson

    It might be something like this discovered as culprit, like earlier lead toxicity, maybe some microplastics or yet unknown materials which are considered as not harmful so far:


    Asian-Americans have nearly twice the levels of toxic 'forever chemicals' in their blood compared to other ethnicities.

    A study that tested the blood and urine of more than 3,000 Americans found the average levels of per-and polyfluoroalkyl substances (PFAS) were 89 percent higher in Asian-Americans.

    Researchers said it is unclear why, but it could be due to a diet that is high in seafood, which is a major source of PFAS contamination.

    PFAS are a group of synthetic chemicals present in food packaging, clothes and thousands of other products in the US.

    Because of their ubiquity, they leach into soil, drinking water, the air and food, exposing Americans to the toxins almost everywhere.

    They have been deemed 'forever chemicals' because they don't break down in the environment or human body.
     

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12441343/Asian-Americans-exposed-toxic-PFAS-forever-chemicals.html

    Replies: @John Johnson

  137. U.S. Seeking Perpetual War in Ukraine? w/ Alastair Crooke fmr Brit ambassador

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikhail


    U.S. Seeking Perpetual War in Ukraine? w/ Alastair Crooke fmr Brit ambassador
     
    What does the U.S. gain from perpetual war? Little to nothing. Funding cuts are coming.

    What does the German led European Empire gain from perpetual war? More channels for MENA and sub Saharan migration.

    "Follow the Money" often works, but in this case it is a false lead. The brain damaged Veggie-in-Chief is a puppet run by Macron and Scholz.

    PEACE 😇
  138. Saw a tiny snake the other day that was just over an inch long.

    Gave me the idea that wildlife officials ought to try to stock snakes, they like do with fish. I’m not taking about posionous stuff, but a lot of the bigger snakes seem to be getter rarer in these parts.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @songbird

    They've some big mother pythons in Florida. There's also the matter of the super wild pigs in the US - the apparent result of a cross bread with a Eurasian variant.

    Replies: @songbird

  139. @Dmitry
    @YetAnotherAnon

    EVs are a lot easier to enter market, easier to build, than ICEVs. The transition to EVs means more countries' companies could enter the automobile export market.

    Tesla already showed the EV transition allows for entry to previously closed industry for new companies, as one of the first new automobile companies in America which is making profit since many years earlier.

    Even Vietnam has domestic EV companies now, with "Vin Fast".

    There was a kind of crazy hype with their stock launching this month.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIe26EBlHes

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    https://www.ft.com/content/c5af0740-7fba-4c9d-962d-8a1b563196e3

    Vietnamese EV maker worth more than Ford or GM after US listing

    No paywall: https://archive.li/TX86r#selection-1819.0-1821.2

    I posted this in newslinks a couple weeks ago.

  140. @Sean
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Biden allowed Nordstream to go ahead because Germany was to help with China, which is the enemy. Russians are regarded as an annoyance and not taken seriously by Washington. Germany's manufacturing and capital goods export (China) strategy is totally screwed without cheap energy and the digital transformation is passing them by.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    If your digital revolution is the FAGM’s + AI then everybody it passes by may be at an advantage real soon now. : )

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    If your ambition is to live like a Russian and die like a man (ie in mid fifties of alcoholic poisoning).

    Start at 1:46

    https://youtu.be/T8rDqKAQ290?t=106

    Replies: @A123

  141. @Mikhail
    U.S. Seeking Perpetual War in Ukraine? w/ Alastair Crooke fmr Brit ambassador
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33A0GIrLT1Q

    Replies: @A123

    U.S. Seeking Perpetual War in Ukraine? w/ Alastair Crooke fmr Brit ambassador

    What does the U.S. gain from perpetual war? Little to nothing. Funding cuts are coming.

    What does the German led European Empire gain from perpetual war? More channels for MENA and sub Saharan migration.

    “Follow the Money” often works, but in this case it is a false lead. The brain damaged Veggie-in-Chief is a puppet run by Macron and Scholz.

    PEACE 😇

  142. @Dmitry
    @QCIC

    A hypothetical fake death of Prigozhin, would be a story like in some of the famous mafia films. For example, the story of the film "Once Upon in America".

    However, I'm not sure it would be too easy for him to hide after as he was one of the most famous celebrities in the world. In Russia or Belarus people would probably immediately identify him if he goes out. Probably even in Miami.

    He would need at least somewhere few people follow about the war in Ukraine, which might not be so many parts of the world. Maybe some distant parts of Africa or Latin America.

    Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson

    One possible approach is modest cosmetic surgery combined with a new life story as a long lost brother named Boris who looks surprisingly like the infamous Yevgeny.

  143. Is there some kind of timeline-graph of US presidential candidates mentioning Israel in debates, over the decades? If not, someone should make one.

    I personally should like to know the exact time when ideas like “America needs Israel” exploded, and became part of an echo chamber.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird


    I personally should like to know the exact time when ideas like “America needs Israel” exploded
     
    One date springs immediately to mind -- October 23, 1983. A literal Muslim explosion that senselessly killed over 200 Americans in Beirut. That solidified the Judeo-Christian bond of opposition to degenerate Allah Ahkbar death screamers.

    That incident pressed Christian American values to have meaning. Defending Jewish Palestine from the forces of Satan/Allah/Lucifer is a duty placed upon us by God.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Pat Buchanan was cancelled for opposing Iraq war 1 and mentioning Israel in same sentence. ~ Jan 1991.

    https://www.adl.org/resources/profile/pat-buchanan-his-own-words

  144. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    Replying to John Johnson from the other thread:

    I dislike many aspects of Mormon religion and life, but nevertheless anyone who has had any contact with them must admit they are an interesting group with some features that stand out in modern America.

    (I am basing my impressions on a job I had in my twenties which had me visit Utah on and off for a year, and later random trips).

    Of all Whites, they seem the only group that has retained some genuine corporate self-confidence and vitality (there are plenty of supremely self-confident Whites among the elites, but as individuals). I've seen Mormons get angry, and act with self-assertion, in a way I rarely see with other Whites - they seem to have retained some connection to the thymotic side of life. I've also seen frequent acts of explicit politeness and kindness that reflect a self-conscious striving after "virtue" that stands out in the cynical wasteland of modernity. And there is an interest in dressing at least somewhat decorously and attractively that suggests the hint of a connection to a concern with aesthetics, however attenuated.

    They are also the only Whites I've seen who are almost as interested in money as Jews :) And who will be unashamed to clearly act with money interests in mind in a way that's unusual among Whites and more common among Jews and Chinese (and perhaps certain subcontinentals).

    The connection to money is interesting. I'm on record for thinking money is one of the great evils of life, but on "lower" levels it can reflect a desire to live and flourish for a minority group that does not have the same level of access to the standard forms of power as the majority.

    It's likely forgotten today, but the Scottish were known for being extreme misers and money hoarders (anyone remember Scrooge McDuck lol?), and having an obsession with money. The Scots were a conquered minority within the United Kingdom - and that probably likewise accounts for the explosion of Scottish genius starting in the 18th century and the truly outsized contribution the Scots made both to the intellectual development of Great Britain and the practical tasks of administering the Empire and developing the physical infrastructure of modernity.

    Of course there is a dark and disturbing side to Mormon life, and there is often a vulgar and gross materialism, and egotistic selfishness - and one can easily see how others can be antagonized by a group that is excessively self-regarding. And Mormon religion contains many extremely unattractive elements, and I am not offering them up as a perfect example of spiritual health.

    Like everyone else in modernity, Mormons are a deeply sick community - and even the good things are often more lower level approaches to and reflections - often even distortions - of a more distant true good than their full realization, but it may be that one can learn some lesson from them.

    The one White American community that is imperfectly assimilated to modern life but still participates in it, that has retained some vital connection to the "irrational", seems to have avoided at least some of the worst and most advanced excesses of the dysfunctions afflicting most everyone else.

    Interesting.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @John Johnson

    I’ve seen Mormons get angry, and act with self-assertion, in a way I rarely see with other Whites – they seem to have retained some connection to the thymotic side of life. I’ve also seen frequent acts of explicit politeness and kindness that reflect a self-conscious striving after “virtue” that stands out in the cynical wasteland of modernity.

    Yes they can be friendly until they want something from you. If you are non-Mormon then you will be subject to a different set of rules.

    The one White American community that is imperfectly assimilated to modern life but still participates in it, that has retained some vital connection to the “irrational”, seems to have avoided at least some of the worst and most advanced excesses of the dysfunctions afflicting most everyone else.

    I think you are over-idealizing them. In no way would I describe them as being in more touch with spirituality than say average Catholics.

    Their morality that they claim to be spiritual is a front. There is nothing in the Bible that says to be honest and fair until you start doing business with non-Mormons. Christianity is not supposed to “turn off” when the business day starts.

    They only participate in non-Mormon life when required.

    I was warned about doing business with them but assumed it was just mainstream Christian bigotry. Wouldn’t these pro-family Mormons extend their strong morals into business and daily life? I figured they have a bad rep from Christians that are offended by their additional beliefs.

    I was wrong. I fully admit that.

    They are not simply obsessed with greed or drive for money. They actually wouldn’t be that bad if they were simply materialistic. The problem is that they view non-Mormons with complete disdain and not as fellow Americans that are deserving of some basic level of business ethics.

    They view the current world as a spiritual test and the successful enter heaven to manage their own world where at most we get to be their servants. So by rejecting the Mormon faith we prove that we have utterly failed the divine calling and thus we might as well be exploited on earth and in heaven. Secular Americans don’t even get to be servants. They go to hell.

    Mormon door knockers might seem friendly but they haven’t reached the period where they are under pressure to have a large family and modern house which in the current economy can be difficult. The men look to cut corners in business which leads to their reputation.

    Their religion is extremely controlling and most likely dysgenic. It started out as polygamous but without a plan for what to do with the excess men. The origin story reads like an SNL sketch where a man actually tells his wife that an angel told him to take multiple wives.

    As a religion it selects for submission and ex-communicates the rebellious and independently minded. Women are not allowed to select non-Mormons and are under pressure to choose their husband early. This leads to them selecting from a limited gene pool and often for non-physical characteristics. Meaning they are not selecting the strongest or healthiest men in a mixed community. In many ways it functions like a nerd mafia. I actually don’t think half the men buy into the beliefs. They like that the women are locked down and they get a lot of business connections.

    • Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @John Johnson

    I'm not defending their religion or practices.

    There's lots of bad there, the point is, there might be something interesting that has saved them partially from some of the worse excesses of modern nihilism, at least for a time (and perhaps not that much longer), and that can be useful to learn from, at least for secular Americans - while still rejecting most of their religion and practices.

    I could never in a million years be a Mormon, but I try and look at the larger picture. I've learned things from people, who, on the whole, I've despised.

    Replies: @Mikel, @John Johnson

    , @AP
    @John Johnson

    Interesting. I once lived in the southwest and visited Utah frequently. Mormons made a fairly strong but positive impression:

    1. Very nice and friendly.

    2. Surprisingly cosmopolitan, due to missionary work. For example, we chatted with a family in Russian in some small town, the son had done missionary work in one of the former Soviet republics, so the entire family learned the language. And somehow they managed to learn it well enough to be conversational.

    3. Physically attractive, in a specific way. Not like Eastern Europeans, or pretty French or Italian girls. Physically fit, conservatively dressed, often blond, skillful use of makeup, at times a sort of 1950s "beauty queen" aesthetic. A marked contrast to the overweight more sloppy style often seen in non-Mormon rural America (I mean no offense). I personally prefer the appearance of European women, but the Mormon look is impressive. Sort of an ideal of the classic American type.

    4. Mormons appreciate and perpetuate solid, classical architecture styles for their temples, which as a result usually look very nice for newly-built buildings. This matches Mormons' personal classic physical appearance.

    5. Their communities are well-run, well-organized and clean. In northern Nevada one can see a stark contrast between Mormon towns (neat little houses, neat fenced yards, clean and organized - a bit like New England though not as rich and more plain) and non-Mormon towns (more run down, organized haphazardly, brothels and bars). Mormon towns are an interesting contrast to the surrounding frontier.

    Of course, I have never had business dealings with Mormons so I can't speak to their business practices and competition with "gentiles." And their religion is bizarre, with very shady origins.

    The Mormon polygamists in northern Arizona were less attractive, less friendly and more suspicious. We tried talking to some of them and didn't get far.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson, @Dmitry

  145. @songbird
    Is there some kind of timeline-graph of US presidential candidates mentioning Israel in debates, over the decades? If not, someone should make one.

    I personally should like to know the exact time when ideas like "America needs Israel" exploded, and became part of an echo chamber.

    Replies: @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard

    I personally should like to know the exact time when ideas like “America needs Israel” exploded

    One date springs immediately to mind — October 23, 1983. A literal Muslim explosion that senselessly killed over 200 Americans in Beirut. That solidified the Judeo-Christian bond of opposition to degenerate Allah Ahkbar death screamers.

    That incident pressed Christian American values to have meaning. Defending Jewish Palestine from the forces of Satan/Allah/Lucifer is a duty placed upon us by God.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123


    That solidified the Judeo-Christian bond
     
    Shouldn't that be the "Hindu-Judeo-Christian" bond, as Vivek has said he believes in those values more than most Christians? And he was a member of Shabtai, while at Yale?

    @Emil
    Curious how they don't quote Buchanan referencing the ADL. (As I imagine he must have done.)
  146. @songbird
    Is there some kind of timeline-graph of US presidential candidates mentioning Israel in debates, over the decades? If not, someone should make one.

    I personally should like to know the exact time when ideas like "America needs Israel" exploded, and became part of an echo chamber.

    Replies: @A123, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Pat Buchanan was cancelled for opposing Iraq war 1 and mentioning Israel in same sentence. ~ Jan 1991.

    https://www.adl.org/resources/profile/pat-buchanan-his-own-words

  147. @Dmitry
    @QCIC

    A hypothetical fake death of Prigozhin, would be a story like in some of the famous mafia films. For example, the story of the film "Once Upon in America".

    However, I'm not sure it would be too easy for him to hide after as he was one of the most famous celebrities in the world. In Russia or Belarus people would probably immediately identify him if he goes out. Probably even in Miami.

    He would need at least somewhere few people follow about the war in Ukraine, which might not be so many parts of the world. Maybe some distant parts of Africa or Latin America.

    Replies: @QCIC, @John Johnson

    A hypothetical fake death of Prigozhin, would be a story like in some of the famous mafia films. For example, the story of the film “Once Upon in America”.

    They already DNA’d him.

    Prigozhin had a deathwish. I’m not at all surprised that he returned to Moscow.

    Making a deal to enter Belarus was nuts given that he tried to start an insurrection.

    He needed to exit Eastern Europe entirely. The guy had over a billion dollars. He could have built a fortress in Argentina with thousands of guards and waited out the war.

    I don’t think we will ever understand the real Prigozhin.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @John Johnson

    It wouldn't be fake death organized by Prigozhin, it would be a fake death as part of the agreement to exit the march on Moscow and restore authority, to exit politics etc.

    I.e. like in a Witness Protection Program.

    About the postsoviet politics of the last 30 years, it's a secretive mafia world, so outsiders only guess about the real situation from their PR or theater performances.

    Prigozhin's story is one of the most strange postsoviet circus, especially in the last week when he was posting suddenly a video about fighting in Africa as preparation for the next theatre.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  148. @Mikhail
    Ben is setting himself up again:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-breakthrough-could-come-in-weeks-former-u-s-general-says/ar-AA1fZGMF?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=c5bd392ff7c14e819137974059051521&ei=9

    Tony Shaffer gets a well deserved thrashing in the comments section:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uPBqFbFBrY

    German DW Aired Propaganda:

    https://marksleboda.substack.com/p/debunking-german-propagandas-absurd?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2#details

    Replies: @John Johnson

    Why is Putin’s propagandist calling for a tactical nuke if everything is going so well?
    https://www.newsweek.com/putin-state-tv-host-russia-ukraine-nuclear-weapons-1821567

    Napolitano is a sad Putin hack who has been cheering the Russians since the war started. He isn’t as overt as Ritter but his position is obvious by the show format where he lets pro-Putin guests ramble while he nods and makes cracks about Zelenksy. As with other Putin defenders he is obsessed with Zelensky and Nuland. It’s all about the Jews to him but he doesn’t have the balls to say it.

    I did some research into Napolitano and turns out that he is a closet homo who was kicked out of Fox News for sexually harassing young men:
    https://news.yahoo.com/andrew-napolitano-fox-sexual-harassment-224300192.html

    Are self-hating men just somehow attracted to Putin?

    No wife or kids and has been accused of sexually harassing men.

    Closet homo.

    The Putin US Dream Team is unreal. A convicted sex offender, a closeted homo, some America hater who makes fake war videos, Steven Seagal. Just an amazing lineup.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @John Johnson


    The Putin US Dream Team is unreal. A convicted sex offender, a closeted homo, some America hater who makes fake war videos, Steven Seagal. Just an amazing lineup.
     
    You know what's really funny is that Girkin (Strelkov) himself before he got arrested, when his precious rants were still publicly available, said that McGregor is full of it. He totally dismissed his "insights" as unserious. LOL

    Replies: @John Johnson

    , @Mikhail
    @John Johnson

    You sure know how to cherry pick while being quite okay with instances like this:

    https://www.washingtonblade.com/2023/08/08/transgender-soldier-from-us-named-ukrainian-military-spokesperson/

    https://thepressunited.com/updates/german-gay-pride-event-celebrates-nazi-collaborator-video/

    , @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    The West and the USA are pressuring Russia using Ukraine as a battering ram. Serious military conflicts between the USA and Russia are intrinsically nuclear conflicts. The Russian government media plan seems to include periodic reminders of this very important issue for Western audiences.

    Russia is not leveling new nuclear threats against the West. Both sides have thousands of nuclear weapons which can used on short notice if not immediately. Don't forget, we had crucial nuclear arms control treaties which the West has been unilaterally dismantling.

    The West has been unilaterally dismantling nuclear arms control treaties. What could be more dangerous?

    The Ukraine war is not really about Ukraine. It is a proxy war of the West against Russia. I would hope that Unz commenters can understand this, even if they have valid reasons to hate or fear Russia. Just recognize how dangerous this Western-created conflict actually is!

  149. @Beckow
    On higher level unfortunately it is bad English - the 500-word illiterate version that so much of the world lives in today. The lower ones are a mixture of Polish-Slovak-Czech, even a few Russian, German and English words. Or they just wave arms.

    The Ukies we have don't seem to do a lot of business, many expect to be taken care off while they wait for overseas visas. The ones working do menial jobs - but all Ukie cleaning ladies in Prague hotels claim they were educated 'office workers' back home. How this is a "win" for the ordinary Ukrainians I will never understand. Did they live such miserable lives before?

    Replies: @Wielgus

    “The 500-word illiterate version that so much of the world lives in today”
    The lingua franca of North London, in other words…

  150. @A123
    @songbird


    I personally should like to know the exact time when ideas like “America needs Israel” exploded
     
    One date springs immediately to mind -- October 23, 1983. A literal Muslim explosion that senselessly killed over 200 Americans in Beirut. That solidified the Judeo-Christian bond of opposition to degenerate Allah Ahkbar death screamers.

    That incident pressed Christian American values to have meaning. Defending Jewish Palestine from the forces of Satan/Allah/Lucifer is a duty placed upon us by God.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    That solidified the Judeo-Christian bond

    Shouldn’t that be the “Hindu-Judeo-Christian” bond, as Vivek has said he believes in those values more than most Christians? And he was a member of Shabtai, while at Yale?

    @Emil
    Curious how they don’t quote Buchanan referencing the ADL. (As I imagine he must have done.)

    • LOL: A123
  151. @AP
    @Beckow


    …Review the word dictate.

    All right: must be in Nato, must assist US in its military adventures, must use US dollars and keep its earnings (reserves) in either London or US, must vote with US in “UN”, must privatise and sell to ‘investors’, a lot
     

    Which of these were forced upon and dictated to whom?

    Was Slovakia forced to be in NATO? Poland?


    Russia would decide the nature of Ukraine’s constitution and that Russia would set Ukraine’s internal language policy.

    No, only a small part about the Russian minority having autonomy in its region and Ukraine remaining neutral
     

    So Russia, a foreign country, would only determine a "small part" of Ukraine's constitution and internal laws and policies.

    So, no longer an independent state.

    And "autonomy", according to the Russian side, meant being able to make treaties with other states (i.e., free trade with Russia) that would therefore cancel Ukraine's ability to, say, link itself with the EU.


    "There are only about 3,000 Poles in Slovakia"

    We see Poles daily in their beat-up cars trying to sell old bicycles, rotten meat and home-made booze
     

    According to Beckow-the-serial-liar.

    Meantime, there are more Czechs, Hungarians, and Romanians in Slovakia then there are Poles. Despite Poland having a huge border and many more people who could move there.


    we seldom venture to the dreary flatlands over the mountains
     
    About 1,000 Slovaks have moved to Poland.

    That's 1/3 of the number of Poles living in Slovakia (3,000)

    Yet Poland has almost 7 times the population of Slovakia.

    So per capita, Slovaks are far more likely to go to Poland than vice versa.

    Poland is of course mostly flat, as is half of Germany (including most of the DDR), the Baltics, Belarus, most of Russia and Ukraine, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, half of France, etc.

    Not sure about dreary. Poland is sunnier than much of northern Europe, including most of Slovakia:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Europe_sunshine_hours_map.png

    Replies: @Mikel, @Beckow

    Which of these were forced upon and dictated to whom? Was Slovakia forced to be in NATO?

    All of them. We were told that without being in Nato we can’t be in EU. Period.

    You have double standards when it comes to applying the term dictate. The inconsistency you display – some can, others can’t – is a sign of poor mental health. Or desperate losing ideology: Russia having any say is a “dictat“, but your side is all saints. Right? St. Augustine said that all saints have past…are you so unaware?

    And “autonomy”, according to the Russian side, meant being able to make treaties with other states (i.e., free trade with Russia) that would therefore cancel Ukraine’s ability to, say, link itself with the EU….So, no longer an independent state.

    Complete nonsense. The Aland Islands have autonomy in Finland and strong links to Sweden, is Finland not independent? South Tyrol in Italy, endless other examples of regions that have trade and cultural links to others. You are making up a straw-man because you know there was no reason for Kiev to reject Minsk and provoke the war. It will end much worse for them now. You medicate yourself with scary lies.

    Poland having a huge border and many more people who could move there.

    And yet, almost nobody did until the luckless Ukies showed up. You are mixing what I said: Polish peddlers doing odd jobs, selling crap to do ‘business’ and people who permanently migrate to live in other countries. You either lack logic or you are intentionally deceptive.

    Finally, a guy who claims that Poland is a sunny paradise…have you been there? Or better, have you visited other places? But contra gustos no hay disputas…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    We were told that without being in Nato we can’t be in EU
     
    Were you explicitly told that in the media? Do you have verifiable information that that's what the government was explicitly told?

    The Aland Islands have autonomy in Finland and strong links to Sweden, is Finland not independent?
     
    Well, the difference is that Sweden has given up on its imperial "rights" to Finland, doesn't hold any grudges or resentments against their former colony, doesn't hold any revanchist or territorial claims, and they don't meddle with Finland's internal affairs (unlike Russia with Ukraine, they don't place their assets in Finland's internal power structures and institutions the way that Russia did with Ukraine (or at least they don't do it as aggressively), they don't try to dominate their culture and language (yes, they do have bilingualism, which Finns hate by the way, but it is fading away). They are on good terms, amicable, trust each other. They don't call each other ethnic slurs. They are both part of the West (or the Northern European community). Whereas Ukraine doesn't want to be with Russia. You deliberately ignore these vital differences.

    All the former colonial powers have pretty much given up on their former colonies, except Russia. And even Russia has a skewed view of its colonial past, because the Russian nation was not the only builder of the Empire.


    Polish peddlers doing odd jobs, selling crap to do ‘business’
     
    Well, Polish goods are well known to be overall cheaper (which isn't bad, btw), but, once again, you deliberately choose to ignore the more affluent or middle-class Poles, by far, most Poles are not what you describe. Those are just slightly more lower middle class folks that are trying to get by. You are deliberately ignoring successful Poles or even the middle class types.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @A123
    @Beckow


    We were told that without being in Nato we can’t be in EU. Period
     
    This has never made sense to me.

    Germany and France keep talking about building a military alternative to NATO. That goal would be strengthened by obtaining EU members who are non-NATO. Consider Türkiye, a member of NATO. They have been stuck in the EU queue for decades. This suggests that it is easier to join the EU if one is not in NATO.

    Given legitimate Russian concerns about militarization, the most likely post conflict path is the new, more compact Ukraine will join the EU only. No NATO Ever would be locked in via treaty.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    Which of these were forced upon and dictated to whom? Was Slovakia forced to be in NATO?

    All of them. We were told that without being in Nato we can’t be in EU. Period.
     
    Slovakia's accession treaty was signed in 2003 but it didn't become a member of NATO until 2004.

    Even if what you claimed was true, where was the coercion? Were you forced to be in the EU? You wanted to be. And so, you wanted to be in NATO, as a way of getting into the EU. There was no "force" involved.

    You have double standards when it comes to applying the term dictate...Russia having any say is a “dictat“,
     
    Russia invaded and bombed Ukraine because Ukraine did not capitulate to Russia's demands.

    Was the EU going to bomb Slovakia if Slovakia didn't join NATO or the EU?

    Are you really too stupid to notice the difference?

    And “autonomy”, according to the Russian side, meant being able to make treaties with other states (i.e., free trade with Russia) that would therefore cancel Ukraine’s ability to, say, link itself with the EU….So, no longer an independent state.

    Complete nonsense
     
    Russians themselves were quite about how autonomy (decentalization) was defined by them.

    Surkov coordinated the drafting of extra demands (published on 13 May as proposals from the DNR/LNR). These would give the occupied regions even greater powers: responsibility for legal regulation of the Ukraine/Russia border; the right to conclude agreements with foreign states; their own charters (which would, for example, prevent the president of Ukraine from dismissing local executive organs); their own budgets to ensure ‘financial autonomy’; and rights to introduce states of emergency and hold elections and referendums. Lastly, Ukraine would write a neutrality clause into its constitution

    Could Ukraine join the EU or EU AA if two of its autonomous provinces had a free trade agreement with Russia?

    The Aland Islands have autonomy in Finland and strong links to Sweden, is Finland not independent?
     
    Both of those countries are in EU so it's a stupid analogy. If all of Ukraine were part of the Eurasian Customs Union the Donbas arrangement wouldn't have mattered, either.

    You are mixing what I said: Polish peddlers doing odd jobs, selling crap to do ‘business’ and people who permanently migrate to live in other countries.
     
    You have no proof of your claim, but a record of lying all the time.

    However we do know that Polish salaries are higher than Slovak salaries and the unemployment rate is lower in Poland than in Slovakia, we also know that very few Poles actually move to Slovakia, and that relative to population far more Slovaks move to Poland than vice versa. So your claim about Poles going to Slovakia to make money is unrealistic.

    Finally, a guy who claims that Poland is a sunny paradise
     
    I never said Poland was a "sunny paradise." I said it was sunnier than most of northern Europe. Including most of Slovakia. Warsaw is sunnier than Berlin, Paris, London, Stockholm, Amsterdam, etc.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

  152. @John Johnson
    @Mr. XYZ

    Honestly, autists should get married if they will have the opportunity to do so. Maybe it would be easiest for them to marry other autists, though then they might need IVF and genetic screening for their kids in order to prevent their kids from becoming non-functional autists (as in, in order to significantly reduce this possibility).

    It's probably something in the environment.

    There was a pretty significant increase since the late 90s.

    Replies: @sudden death

    It might be something like this discovered as culprit, like earlier lead toxicity, maybe some microplastics or yet unknown materials which are considered as not harmful so far:

    Asian-Americans have nearly twice the levels of toxic ‘forever chemicals’ in their blood compared to other ethnicities.

    A study that tested the blood and urine of more than 3,000 Americans found the average levels of per-and polyfluoroalkyl substances (PFAS) were 89 percent higher in Asian-Americans.

    Researchers said it is unclear why, but it could be due to a diet that is high in seafood, which is a major source of PFAS contamination.

    PFAS are a group of synthetic chemicals present in food packaging, clothes and thousands of other products in the US.

    Because of their ubiquity, they leach into soil, drinking water, the air and food, exposing Americans to the toxins almost everywhere.

    They have been deemed ‘forever chemicals’ because they don’t break down in the environment or human body.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12441343/Asian-Americans-exposed-toxic-PFAS-forever-chemicals.html

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @sudden death

    I would bet on PFAS over pesticides or herbicides.

    It would have shown up in farm kids if it were the latter.

  153. Are the Saudis building an arcology?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mukaab
    _______
    What would Sikhs do to these people on YouTube who play jazz to cows?

  154. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Why is Putin's propagandist calling for a tactical nuke if everything is going so well?
    https://www.newsweek.com/putin-state-tv-host-russia-ukraine-nuclear-weapons-1821567

    Napolitano is a sad Putin hack who has been cheering the Russians since the war started. He isn't as overt as Ritter but his position is obvious by the show format where he lets pro-Putin guests ramble while he nods and makes cracks about Zelenksy. As with other Putin defenders he is obsessed with Zelensky and Nuland. It's all about the Jews to him but he doesn't have the balls to say it.

    I did some research into Napolitano and turns out that he is a closet homo who was kicked out of Fox News for sexually harassing young men:
    https://news.yahoo.com/andrew-napolitano-fox-sexual-harassment-224300192.html

    Are self-hating men just somehow attracted to Putin?

    No wife or kids and has been accused of sexually harassing men.

    Closet homo.

    The Putin US Dream Team is unreal. A convicted sex offender, a closeted homo, some America hater who makes fake war videos, Steven Seagal. Just an amazing lineup.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikhail, @QCIC

    The Putin US Dream Team is unreal. A convicted sex offender, a closeted homo, some America hater who makes fake war videos, Steven Seagal. Just an amazing lineup.

    You know what’s really funny is that Girkin (Strelkov) himself before he got arrested, when his precious rants were still publicly available, said that McGregor is full of it. He totally dismissed his “insights” as unserious. LOL

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @LatW

    You know what’s really funny is that Girkin (Strelkov) himself before he got arrested, when his precious rants were still publicly available, said that McGregor is full of it. He totally dismissed his “insights” as unserious. LOL

    That is indeed funny but the Putin club would never discuss it in their sphere just as they never discuss MacGregor's long list of failed predictions.

    Napolino is one of those self hating gays like Rohm. A modern day Ernst Rohm if there ever was one.

    (Inside Napolino's basement where he and another ex Fox employee are dressed in leather)

    Yea go ahead and use that whip over there...no the other one.....yea with the spikes....as I was saying earlier it is Jews like that little faggy prince Zelensky that are behind this war. Did you see him prance around in that video? They bring their corruption to YEAAOOOOWWW take it easy back there! Not enough lube! Look you need to hurry up and finish because I have a show with MacGregor in about 30 minutes. I can meet you later after Mass.

    Replies: @LatW

  155. @Beckow
    @AP


    Which of these were forced upon and dictated to whom? Was Slovakia forced to be in NATO?
     
    All of them. We were told that without being in Nato we can't be in EU. Period.

    You have double standards when it comes to applying the term dictate. The inconsistency you display - some can, others can't - is a sign of poor mental health. Or desperate losing ideology: Russia having any say is a "dictat", but your side is all saints. Right? St. Augustine said that all saints have past...are you so unaware?


    And “autonomy”, according to the Russian side, meant being able to make treaties with other states (i.e., free trade with Russia) that would therefore cancel Ukraine’s ability to, say, link itself with the EU....So, no longer an independent state.
     
    Complete nonsense. The Aland Islands have autonomy in Finland and strong links to Sweden, is Finland not independent? South Tyrol in Italy, endless other examples of regions that have trade and cultural links to others. You are making up a straw-man because you know there was no reason for Kiev to reject Minsk and provoke the war. It will end much worse for them now. You medicate yourself with scary lies.

    Poland having a huge border and many more people who could move there.
     
    And yet, almost nobody did until the luckless Ukies showed up. You are mixing what I said: Polish peddlers doing odd jobs, selling crap to do 'business' and people who permanently migrate to live in other countries. You either lack logic or you are intentionally deceptive.

    Finally, a guy who claims that Poland is a sunny paradise...have you been there? Or better, have you visited other places? But contra gustos no hay disputas...

    Replies: @LatW, @A123, @AP

    We were told that without being in Nato we can’t be in EU

    Were you explicitly told that in the media? Do you have verifiable information that that’s what the government was explicitly told?

    The Aland Islands have autonomy in Finland and strong links to Sweden, is Finland not independent?

    Well, the difference is that Sweden has given up on its imperial “rights” to Finland, doesn’t hold any grudges or resentments against their former colony, doesn’t hold any revanchist or territorial claims, and they don’t meddle with Finland’s internal affairs (unlike Russia with Ukraine, they don’t place their assets in Finland’s internal power structures and institutions the way that Russia did with Ukraine (or at least they don’t do it as aggressively), they don’t try to dominate their culture and language (yes, they do have bilingualism, which Finns hate by the way, but it is fading away). They are on good terms, amicable, trust each other. They don’t call each other ethnic slurs. They are both part of the West (or the Northern European community). Whereas Ukraine doesn’t want to be with Russia. You deliberately ignore these vital differences.

    All the former colonial powers have pretty much given up on their former colonies, except Russia. And even Russia has a skewed view of its colonial past, because the Russian nation was not the only builder of the Empire.

    Polish peddlers doing odd jobs, selling crap to do ‘business’

    Well, Polish goods are well known to be overall cheaper (which isn’t bad, btw), but, once again, you deliberately choose to ignore the more affluent or middle-class Poles, by far, most Poles are not what you describe. Those are just slightly more lower middle class folks that are trying to get by. You are deliberately ignoring successful Poles or even the middle class types.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW

    It is hard to stereotype. I am sure there are less business-minded Poles, we just don't see too many. Poor Polish hustlers selling shoddy goods is what we encounter. They also seem desperate. It is the same image that most people in UK and other places have.


    They don’t call each other ethnic slurs.
     
    Actually they do, in the usual lame Scandie way...:) If you have a problem with ethnic slurs, maybe jumping up and down about "Moskali" is not a good way to show it.

    They are both part of the West...whereas Ukraine doesn’t want to be with Russia.

     

    Ukraine is in Eastern Europe, about the same as Russians, Georgians, Romanians, etc...part of the same overall region. Some more, some less, and some dream of being something else. You can't stage a "revolution" to force others to obey you new invented identity. That has never worked - geography tends to stay the same.

    The reason for the war is the Ukie fanatical unwillingness to treat their fellow Russian citizens as equal, to accept that they have cultural and economic rights. Majority can't disposes millions of people who want to stay who they are and import military conflict into Ukraine with Nato. That would eventually lead to a much bigger war.

    It is something that you pretend not to see - out of atavistic hatred of Russia. It will not end well for the Ukies - there is no realistic scenario that is better for Kiev than what Minsk offered, or how things were pre-Maidan. You are just in a denial and anger stage.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW


    We were told that without being in Nato we can’t be in EU

    Were you explicitly told that in the media? Do you have verifiable information that that’s what the government was explicitly told?
     
    One of the sad/hilarious episodes in Jacques Vallee's new journal is when the French voters rejected the EU constitution referendum. Which he praised as a triumph for democracy and celebration of the spirit of the French people. : (

    If there was a follow up entry when the voters were told to go jump in the lake I missed it.

    Replies: @LatW

  156. @sudden death
    @John Johnson

    It might be something like this discovered as culprit, like earlier lead toxicity, maybe some microplastics or yet unknown materials which are considered as not harmful so far:


    Asian-Americans have nearly twice the levels of toxic 'forever chemicals' in their blood compared to other ethnicities.

    A study that tested the blood and urine of more than 3,000 Americans found the average levels of per-and polyfluoroalkyl substances (PFAS) were 89 percent higher in Asian-Americans.

    Researchers said it is unclear why, but it could be due to a diet that is high in seafood, which is a major source of PFAS contamination.

    PFAS are a group of synthetic chemicals present in food packaging, clothes and thousands of other products in the US.

    Because of their ubiquity, they leach into soil, drinking water, the air and food, exposing Americans to the toxins almost everywhere.

    They have been deemed 'forever chemicals' because they don't break down in the environment or human body.
     

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12441343/Asian-Americans-exposed-toxic-PFAS-forever-chemicals.html

    Replies: @John Johnson

    I would bet on PFAS over pesticides or herbicides.

    It would have shown up in farm kids if it were the latter.

  157. @LatW
    @John Johnson


    The Putin US Dream Team is unreal. A convicted sex offender, a closeted homo, some America hater who makes fake war videos, Steven Seagal. Just an amazing lineup.
     
    You know what's really funny is that Girkin (Strelkov) himself before he got arrested, when his precious rants were still publicly available, said that McGregor is full of it. He totally dismissed his "insights" as unserious. LOL

    Replies: @John Johnson

    You know what’s really funny is that Girkin (Strelkov) himself before he got arrested, when his precious rants were still publicly available, said that McGregor is full of it. He totally dismissed his “insights” as unserious. LOL

    That is indeed funny but the Putin club would never discuss it in their sphere just as they never discuss MacGregor’s long list of failed predictions.

    Napolino is one of those self hating gays like Rohm. A modern day Ernst Rohm if there ever was one.

    (Inside Napolino’s basement where he and another ex Fox employee are dressed in leather)

    Yea go ahead and use that whip over there…no the other one…..yea with the spikes….as I was saying earlier it is Jews like that little faggy prince Zelensky that are behind this war. Did you see him prance around in that video? They bring their corruption to YEAAOOOOWWW take it easy back there! Not enough lube! Look you need to hurry up and finish because I have a show with MacGregor in about 30 minutes. I can meet you later after Mass.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @John Johnson


    That is indeed funny but the Putin club would never discuss it in their sphere just as they never discuss MacGregor’s long list of failed predictions.
     
    The Putin club would rather trash or dismiss Strelkov (someone who knows the front inside out or at least used to until very recently) than MacGregor - that is super delusional and grotesquely funny. I haven't followed MacGregor enough to judge his "predictions", he doesn't interest me much. He seemed somewhat biased.

    The few times I watched his videos I was more interested in the Scots Irish regalia he had in his background. It seemed like he really wanted to appear "warlike" and martial. It's ok, that's not a bad thing, but you also have to be somewhat informed about the particular things on the ground. I don't expect him to understand the intricacies of Eastern Slav battle culture either.


    Napolino is one of those self hating gays like Rohm.
     
    Oh, but he's just another contrarian (which, again, is not bad and can be really cool, but you have to follow at least some of the facts), he just wants to trash the establishment. I used to watch Alex Jones for a while (for entertainment purposes - not for updates on current affairs, lol) and "The Judge" use to be on Alex a lot. No idea about his closet gayness, that is too creepy to even think about. But it is not surprising they sided with Russia, they distrust the US establishment (and they try to make money with their shows, it's their niche - although these days it can actually do harm because of the war).
  158. @John Johnson
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    I’ve seen Mormons get angry, and act with self-assertion, in a way I rarely see with other Whites – they seem to have retained some connection to the thymotic side of life. I’ve also seen frequent acts of explicit politeness and kindness that reflect a self-conscious striving after “virtue” that stands out in the cynical wasteland of modernity.

    Yes they can be friendly until they want something from you. If you are non-Mormon then you will be subject to a different set of rules.

    The one White American community that is imperfectly assimilated to modern life but still participates in it, that has retained some vital connection to the “irrational”, seems to have avoided at least some of the worst and most advanced excesses of the dysfunctions afflicting most everyone else.

    I think you are over-idealizing them. In no way would I describe them as being in more touch with spirituality than say average Catholics.

    Their morality that they claim to be spiritual is a front. There is nothing in the Bible that says to be honest and fair until you start doing business with non-Mormons. Christianity is not supposed to "turn off" when the business day starts.

    They only participate in non-Mormon life when required.

    I was warned about doing business with them but assumed it was just mainstream Christian bigotry. Wouldn't these pro-family Mormons extend their strong morals into business and daily life? I figured they have a bad rep from Christians that are offended by their additional beliefs.

    I was wrong. I fully admit that.

    They are not simply obsessed with greed or drive for money. They actually wouldn't be that bad if they were simply materialistic. The problem is that they view non-Mormons with complete disdain and not as fellow Americans that are deserving of some basic level of business ethics.

    They view the current world as a spiritual test and the successful enter heaven to manage their own world where at most we get to be their servants. So by rejecting the Mormon faith we prove that we have utterly failed the divine calling and thus we might as well be exploited on earth and in heaven. Secular Americans don't even get to be servants. They go to hell.

    Mormon door knockers might seem friendly but they haven't reached the period where they are under pressure to have a large family and modern house which in the current economy can be difficult. The men look to cut corners in business which leads to their reputation.

    Their religion is extremely controlling and most likely dysgenic. It started out as polygamous but without a plan for what to do with the excess men. The origin story reads like an SNL sketch where a man actually tells his wife that an angel told him to take multiple wives.

    As a religion it selects for submission and ex-communicates the rebellious and independently minded. Women are not allowed to select non-Mormons and are under pressure to choose their husband early. This leads to them selecting from a limited gene pool and often for non-physical characteristics. Meaning they are not selecting the strongest or healthiest men in a mixed community. In many ways it functions like a nerd mafia. I actually don't think half the men buy into the beliefs. They like that the women are locked down and they get a lot of business connections.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak, @AP

    I’m not defending their religion or practices.

    There’s lots of bad there, the point is, there might be something interesting that has saved them partially from some of the worse excesses of modern nihilism, at least for a time (and perhaps not that much longer), and that can be useful to learn from, at least for secular Americans – while still rejecting most of their religion and practices.

    I could never in a million years be a Mormon, but I try and look at the larger picture. I’ve learned things from people, who, on the whole, I’ve despised.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    Sorry Aaron but what what you're doing here is wrong. First you're debating a person who has possibly forgotten what your religious background is, even though you told him the other day, and may start saying that you are a Mormon any moment now. You're not going to convince him of anything. Second, and this is even worse for me, you're giving him the opportunity of posting a lot of crap for the umpteenth time to explain how much he despises Mormons and how evil they are (because he allegedly had some bad business experience with some Mormon but has obviously never lived close to real Mormons).

    JJ is not even Dmitry, too proud to admit that his knowledge acquired online may not be as reliable as daily real life experience, but at least he does his research and comes back with some sort of novel ideas. No chance of that with JJ.

    Anyway, I think that your description of Mormons is quite accurate. I would just add a couple of caveats. First, it is true that making money in Utah is important and there are quite a lot of successful Mormon businessmen. But I'm not sure how different this is from any other state or traditional religion in the US. Where in America is it not important to make money and be materially successful? Besides, it is quite remarkable how among Mormons material concerns seldom if ever get in the way of religious practice. In fact, I even know a few Mormon families who most definitely put their religion way above money. They keep having children, as their religion commands, in spite of living with modest salaries and very tight budgets. One of them, with pioneer origins on both sides, could pay off their mortgage just by selling a vacant plot of land adjacent to their house but they prefer to keep the land and have an old-style 1-acre property. This is a family that doesn't have the money to go on vacation or drive modern cars. They buy second-hand clothes and clearance food. Having no mortgage or, most definitely, less children, would allow them to live much closer to the standards of their own relatives and neighbors but they just won't do it. I obviously don't know everybody in Utah but the sample of those I do tells me that such cases must be very common.

    The second caveat is that, behind all the wealth and business activity you see in Utah, a strong communitarian (even socialist) element remains in the society here. One little known aspect of Mormonism is that originally they built a semi-Communist society where the Church led all aspects of people's lives and practically owned the majority of the land. Fundamentalist Mormons on the border with Arizona still live like that, even renting their houses form the Church. Even though the majority of Mormons have always had British origins, with their high trust but individualist tendencies, I have the strong impression that the big contingent of Scandinavians that came here during the 19th century, especially from Denmark and Sweden, had a big influence in shaping social life in Utah by adding a much more communitarian approach than what is typical among pure Anglos. I don't have the time to expand on this now and I guess it's of little interest to most people but let that be known.

    PS- JJ sometimes manages to make some good points here and there and I guess we're all just a bunch a weirdos here anyway but I can't forget his faux passes with me. It's just not worth debating him.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    , @John Johnson
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    I’m not defending their religion or practices.

    I know. I'm not a fan and need to vent at times. I live in rural America and we have them.

    There’s lots of bad there, the point is, there might be something interesting that has saved them partially from some of the worse excesses of modern nihilism, at least for a time (and perhaps not that much longer), and that can be useful to learn from, at least for secular Americans – while still rejecting most of their religion and practices.

    Children of secular Whites are much more likely to engage in drugs and self-destructive behavior. I don't deny that at all.

    Teaching children that the universe is pointless will have negative consequences. But I also don't think we should teach them that their neighbors are their future slaves.

  159. @LatW
    @Beckow


    We were told that without being in Nato we can’t be in EU
     
    Were you explicitly told that in the media? Do you have verifiable information that that's what the government was explicitly told?

    The Aland Islands have autonomy in Finland and strong links to Sweden, is Finland not independent?
     
    Well, the difference is that Sweden has given up on its imperial "rights" to Finland, doesn't hold any grudges or resentments against their former colony, doesn't hold any revanchist or territorial claims, and they don't meddle with Finland's internal affairs (unlike Russia with Ukraine, they don't place their assets in Finland's internal power structures and institutions the way that Russia did with Ukraine (or at least they don't do it as aggressively), they don't try to dominate their culture and language (yes, they do have bilingualism, which Finns hate by the way, but it is fading away). They are on good terms, amicable, trust each other. They don't call each other ethnic slurs. They are both part of the West (or the Northern European community). Whereas Ukraine doesn't want to be with Russia. You deliberately ignore these vital differences.

    All the former colonial powers have pretty much given up on their former colonies, except Russia. And even Russia has a skewed view of its colonial past, because the Russian nation was not the only builder of the Empire.


    Polish peddlers doing odd jobs, selling crap to do ‘business’
     
    Well, Polish goods are well known to be overall cheaper (which isn't bad, btw), but, once again, you deliberately choose to ignore the more affluent or middle-class Poles, by far, most Poles are not what you describe. Those are just slightly more lower middle class folks that are trying to get by. You are deliberately ignoring successful Poles or even the middle class types.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Emil Nikola Richard

    It is hard to stereotype. I am sure there are less business-minded Poles, we just don’t see too many. Poor Polish hustlers selling shoddy goods is what we encounter. They also seem desperate. It is the same image that most people in UK and other places have.

    They don’t call each other ethnic slurs.

    Actually they do, in the usual lame Scandie way…:) If you have a problem with ethnic slurs, maybe jumping up and down about “Moskali” is not a good way to show it.

    They are both part of the West…whereas Ukraine doesn’t want to be with Russia.

    Ukraine is in Eastern Europe, about the same as Russians, Georgians, Romanians, etc…part of the same overall region. Some more, some less, and some dream of being something else. You can’t stage a “revolution” to force others to obey you new invented identity. That has never worked – geography tends to stay the same.

    The reason for the war is the Ukie fanatical unwillingness to treat their fellow Russian citizens as equal, to accept that they have cultural and economic rights. Majority can’t disposes millions of people who want to stay who they are and import military conflict into Ukraine with Nato. That would eventually lead to a much bigger war.

    It is something that you pretend not to see – out of atavistic hatred of Russia. It will not end well for the Ukies – there is no realistic scenario that is better for Kiev than what Minsk offered, or how things were pre-Maidan. You are just in a denial and anger stage.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    Actually they do, in the usual lame Scandie way…:)
     
    They do not. Whatever insinuations they very seldomly use (often only in private) - are not meant in a hostile and deeply condescending way the way that the Russian talk down on the Ukrainian. Right now it's too late anyway and it has gone to complete hell, it's over it's going to be like Armenians and Azeris or Serbs and Croats (or even worse) but I was referring to the period before the full scale war or even 2014, where it was already bad. If the intention had been to be like Scandies, that's when the issues should've been worked out. If not, separate and move on. No need to co-habit with those you despise. But Russia cannot do what Sweden did.

    The way the Scandies talk to each other is much more subdued, careful, reserved, sure the Swedes do look down on the Finns inside, but they do not show it (or maybe they have moved on at this point and no longer look down on them) - the Russians go out of their way to show their contempt for all the others. The difference is also that in some ways the Swedes are perceived as superior to Finns (at least according to standard European cultural norms or the ideal European behavior, although this is, of course, debatable - I personally don't necessarily agree with that), while Russians are not seen as superior to Ukrainians (based on EE cultural norms), no matter how much they tell themselves they are.

    Ukraine is in Eastern Europe
     
    Right, so they are allying with other Eastern Europeans. That's not even what I meant - I wasn't talking about the geopolitical or even geographic or cultural alignment but about the relationship dynamics. The relationship dynamics have to be in a good place for things to work. In those other European examples you provided, the very core relationship is resolved and at peace.

    You can’t stage a “revolution” to force others to obey you new invented identity.
     
    It's not invented but real - and this was the original mistake of the Russians to oversee that (they knew all along, just didn't want to admit it and accept it) as well as Russophile Westerners who made the same mistake (claiming Ukraine was "fake and gay").

    The reason for the war is the Ukie fanatical unwillingness to treat their fellow Russian citizens as equal, to accept that they have cultural and economic rights.
     
    Again, you choose to ignore the elephant in the room - the Russian pseudo-imperialistic tendencies. But that's your choice.

    Majority can’t disposes millions of people who want to stay who they are and import military conflict into Ukraine with Nato.
     
    Were the Germans not once expelled from their old colonial lands in Eastern Europe? Is it how things should be? No. But it is not impossible. There have been examples in the past.

    That would eventually lead to a much bigger war.
     
    Actually, it can be contained (even if that is bad, as it is, it's an enormous tragedy). Most of the world is not interested in a bigger war over these issues. The Americans are ok with prolonging the war (unfortunately), but they are not interested in expanding it into NATO territory - that is vital. China (and the so called global south) are not interested in any war at all.

    Only Russia and Ukraine would be interested in expanding the war - Russia so that they wouldn't have to lose to Ukraine, but would lose to NATO (and make NATO pay at least some for helping Ukraine), and Ukraine - to be able to attract Russia's attention to a second front and expend their resources elsewhere. Although for Ukraine that's not their main wish - their main wish is just to get all of the weapons that were promised so they can recover more territory and push the war further away from their territory.


    out of atavistic hatred of Russia
     
    It is not "atavistic" but based on every day facts from the most recent 30 years and the things that the Russian side says TODAY. If it was about some past issues, we wouldn't have a war as neither side would care enough to have a physical war. Everyone was ready to move on after 1991, except the Russian side.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Beckow

  160. @John Johnson
    @LatW

    You know what’s really funny is that Girkin (Strelkov) himself before he got arrested, when his precious rants were still publicly available, said that McGregor is full of it. He totally dismissed his “insights” as unserious. LOL

    That is indeed funny but the Putin club would never discuss it in their sphere just as they never discuss MacGregor's long list of failed predictions.

    Napolino is one of those self hating gays like Rohm. A modern day Ernst Rohm if there ever was one.

    (Inside Napolino's basement where he and another ex Fox employee are dressed in leather)

    Yea go ahead and use that whip over there...no the other one.....yea with the spikes....as I was saying earlier it is Jews like that little faggy prince Zelensky that are behind this war. Did you see him prance around in that video? They bring their corruption to YEAAOOOOWWW take it easy back there! Not enough lube! Look you need to hurry up and finish because I have a show with MacGregor in about 30 minutes. I can meet you later after Mass.

    Replies: @LatW

    That is indeed funny but the Putin club would never discuss it in their sphere just as they never discuss MacGregor’s long list of failed predictions.

    The Putin club would rather trash or dismiss Strelkov (someone who knows the front inside out or at least used to until very recently) than MacGregor – that is super delusional and grotesquely funny. I haven’t followed MacGregor enough to judge his “predictions”, he doesn’t interest me much. He seemed somewhat biased.

    The few times I watched his videos I was more interested in the Scots Irish regalia he had in his background. It seemed like he really wanted to appear “warlike” and martial. It’s ok, that’s not a bad thing, but you also have to be somewhat informed about the particular things on the ground. I don’t expect him to understand the intricacies of Eastern Slav battle culture either.

    Napolino is one of those self hating gays like Rohm.

    Oh, but he’s just another contrarian (which, again, is not bad and can be really cool, but you have to follow at least some of the facts), he just wants to trash the establishment. I used to watch Alex Jones for a while (for entertainment purposes – not for updates on current affairs, lol) and “The Judge” use to be on Alex a lot. No idea about his closet gayness, that is too creepy to even think about. But it is not surprising they sided with Russia, they distrust the US establishment (and they try to make money with their shows, it’s their niche – although these days it can actually do harm because of the war).

  161. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Why is Putin's propagandist calling for a tactical nuke if everything is going so well?
    https://www.newsweek.com/putin-state-tv-host-russia-ukraine-nuclear-weapons-1821567

    Napolitano is a sad Putin hack who has been cheering the Russians since the war started. He isn't as overt as Ritter but his position is obvious by the show format where he lets pro-Putin guests ramble while he nods and makes cracks about Zelenksy. As with other Putin defenders he is obsessed with Zelensky and Nuland. It's all about the Jews to him but he doesn't have the balls to say it.

    I did some research into Napolitano and turns out that he is a closet homo who was kicked out of Fox News for sexually harassing young men:
    https://news.yahoo.com/andrew-napolitano-fox-sexual-harassment-224300192.html

    Are self-hating men just somehow attracted to Putin?

    No wife or kids and has been accused of sexually harassing men.

    Closet homo.

    The Putin US Dream Team is unreal. A convicted sex offender, a closeted homo, some America hater who makes fake war videos, Steven Seagal. Just an amazing lineup.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikhail, @QCIC

  162. @songbird
    Saw a tiny snake the other day that was just over an inch long.

    Gave me the idea that wildlife officials ought to try to stock snakes, they like do with fish. I'm not taking about posionous stuff, but a lot of the bigger snakes seem to be getter rarer in these parts.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    They’ve some big mother pythons in Florida. There’s also the matter of the super wild pigs in the US – the apparent result of a cross bread with a Eurasian variant.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mikhail

    One of my favorite YouTubers, Casual Earth, who specializes in geography, put out a video on the pythons in Florida.

    He notes that North America is a very different environment because there isn't a mountain chain blocking the cold air from Canada, and even the deep South gets occasional cold snaps.

    He does not seem to think the worst predictions about their spread will come true, but leaves open the possibility that they will evolve to better deal with the cold.
    https://youtu.be/nHRTwbs95uA?si=h1BWuCqDRme77pbu

  163. Tucker’s recent interview with Orban was quite informative, unlike the foreign policy drivel peddled by the likes of Amanpour, O’Reilly, Velshi, Cuomo, Haley, Pense and Christie.

  164. @John Johnson
    @Mikhail

    Why is Putin's propagandist calling for a tactical nuke if everything is going so well?
    https://www.newsweek.com/putin-state-tv-host-russia-ukraine-nuclear-weapons-1821567

    Napolitano is a sad Putin hack who has been cheering the Russians since the war started. He isn't as overt as Ritter but his position is obvious by the show format where he lets pro-Putin guests ramble while he nods and makes cracks about Zelenksy. As with other Putin defenders he is obsessed with Zelensky and Nuland. It's all about the Jews to him but he doesn't have the balls to say it.

    I did some research into Napolitano and turns out that he is a closet homo who was kicked out of Fox News for sexually harassing young men:
    https://news.yahoo.com/andrew-napolitano-fox-sexual-harassment-224300192.html

    Are self-hating men just somehow attracted to Putin?

    No wife or kids and has been accused of sexually harassing men.

    Closet homo.

    The Putin US Dream Team is unreal. A convicted sex offender, a closeted homo, some America hater who makes fake war videos, Steven Seagal. Just an amazing lineup.

    Replies: @LatW, @Mikhail, @QCIC

    The West and the USA are pressuring Russia using Ukraine as a battering ram. Serious military conflicts between the USA and Russia are intrinsically nuclear conflicts. The Russian government media plan seems to include periodic reminders of this very important issue for Western audiences.

    Russia is not leveling new nuclear threats against the West. Both sides have thousands of nuclear weapons which can used on short notice if not immediately. Don’t forget, we had crucial nuclear arms control treaties which the West has been unilaterally dismantling.

    The West has been unilaterally dismantling nuclear arms control treaties. What could be more dangerous?

    The Ukraine war is not really about Ukraine. It is a proxy war of the West against Russia. I would hope that Unz commenters can understand this, even if they have valid reasons to hate or fear Russia. Just recognize how dangerous this Western-created conflict actually is!

  165. @LatW
    @Beckow


    We were told that without being in Nato we can’t be in EU
     
    Were you explicitly told that in the media? Do you have verifiable information that that's what the government was explicitly told?

    The Aland Islands have autonomy in Finland and strong links to Sweden, is Finland not independent?
     
    Well, the difference is that Sweden has given up on its imperial "rights" to Finland, doesn't hold any grudges or resentments against their former colony, doesn't hold any revanchist or territorial claims, and they don't meddle with Finland's internal affairs (unlike Russia with Ukraine, they don't place their assets in Finland's internal power structures and institutions the way that Russia did with Ukraine (or at least they don't do it as aggressively), they don't try to dominate their culture and language (yes, they do have bilingualism, which Finns hate by the way, but it is fading away). They are on good terms, amicable, trust each other. They don't call each other ethnic slurs. They are both part of the West (or the Northern European community). Whereas Ukraine doesn't want to be with Russia. You deliberately ignore these vital differences.

    All the former colonial powers have pretty much given up on their former colonies, except Russia. And even Russia has a skewed view of its colonial past, because the Russian nation was not the only builder of the Empire.


    Polish peddlers doing odd jobs, selling crap to do ‘business’
     
    Well, Polish goods are well known to be overall cheaper (which isn't bad, btw), but, once again, you deliberately choose to ignore the more affluent or middle-class Poles, by far, most Poles are not what you describe. Those are just slightly more lower middle class folks that are trying to get by. You are deliberately ignoring successful Poles or even the middle class types.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Emil Nikola Richard

    We were told that without being in Nato we can’t be in EU

    Were you explicitly told that in the media? Do you have verifiable information that that’s what the government was explicitly told?

    One of the sad/hilarious episodes in Jacques Vallee’s new journal is when the French voters rejected the EU constitution referendum. Which he praised as a triumph for democracy and celebration of the spirit of the French people. : (

    If there was a follow up entry when the voters were told to go jump in the lake I missed it.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    One of the sad/hilarious episodes in Jacques Vallee’s new journal is when the French voters rejected the EU constitution referendum.
     
    That project was probably too ambitious. Most European populations aren't really ready for that (if they will ever be). It turned into an experiment (but they must have spent a lot of money on the public debates). That was still during the period of a sort of a federalist idealism - before the schisms and some of the tougher issues became visible. Not sure they would realistically draft something like this today. Although who knows.

    But, yes, it is funny how it essentially came from a Frenchman and then was discarded by the French themselves. At least it was an exercise in democracy. :)

    Replies: @Mikel

  166. @Beckow
    @LatW

    It is hard to stereotype. I am sure there are less business-minded Poles, we just don't see too many. Poor Polish hustlers selling shoddy goods is what we encounter. They also seem desperate. It is the same image that most people in UK and other places have.


    They don’t call each other ethnic slurs.
     
    Actually they do, in the usual lame Scandie way...:) If you have a problem with ethnic slurs, maybe jumping up and down about "Moskali" is not a good way to show it.

    They are both part of the West...whereas Ukraine doesn’t want to be with Russia.

     

    Ukraine is in Eastern Europe, about the same as Russians, Georgians, Romanians, etc...part of the same overall region. Some more, some less, and some dream of being something else. You can't stage a "revolution" to force others to obey you new invented identity. That has never worked - geography tends to stay the same.

    The reason for the war is the Ukie fanatical unwillingness to treat their fellow Russian citizens as equal, to accept that they have cultural and economic rights. Majority can't disposes millions of people who want to stay who they are and import military conflict into Ukraine with Nato. That would eventually lead to a much bigger war.

    It is something that you pretend not to see - out of atavistic hatred of Russia. It will not end well for the Ukies - there is no realistic scenario that is better for Kiev than what Minsk offered, or how things were pre-Maidan. You are just in a denial and anger stage.

    Replies: @LatW

    Actually they do, in the usual lame Scandie way…:)

    They do not. Whatever insinuations they very seldomly use (often only in private) – are not meant in a hostile and deeply condescending way the way that the Russian talk down on the Ukrainian. Right now it’s too late anyway and it has gone to complete hell, it’s over it’s going to be like Armenians and Azeris or Serbs and Croats (or even worse) but I was referring to the period before the full scale war or even 2014, where it was already bad. If the intention had been to be like Scandies, that’s when the issues should’ve been worked out. If not, separate and move on. No need to co-habit with those you despise. But Russia cannot do what Sweden did.

    The way the Scandies talk to each other is much more subdued, careful, reserved, sure the Swedes do look down on the Finns inside, but they do not show it (or maybe they have moved on at this point and no longer look down on them) – the Russians go out of their way to show their contempt for all the others. The difference is also that in some ways the Swedes are perceived as superior to Finns (at least according to standard European cultural norms or the ideal European behavior, although this is, of course, debatable – I personally don’t necessarily agree with that), while Russians are not seen as superior to Ukrainians (based on EE cultural norms), no matter how much they tell themselves they are.

    Ukraine is in Eastern Europe

    Right, so they are allying with other Eastern Europeans. That’s not even what I meant – I wasn’t talking about the geopolitical or even geographic or cultural alignment but about the relationship dynamics. The relationship dynamics have to be in a good place for things to work. In those other European examples you provided, the very core relationship is resolved and at peace.

    You can’t stage a “revolution” to force others to obey you new invented identity.

    It’s not invented but real – and this was the original mistake of the Russians to oversee that (they knew all along, just didn’t want to admit it and accept it) as well as Russophile Westerners who made the same mistake (claiming Ukraine was “fake and gay”).

    The reason for the war is the Ukie fanatical unwillingness to treat their fellow Russian citizens as equal, to accept that they have cultural and economic rights.

    Again, you choose to ignore the elephant in the room – the Russian pseudo-imperialistic tendencies. But that’s your choice.

    Majority can’t disposes millions of people who want to stay who they are and import military conflict into Ukraine with Nato.

    Were the Germans not once expelled from their old colonial lands in Eastern Europe? Is it how things should be? No. But it is not impossible. There have been examples in the past.

    That would eventually lead to a much bigger war.

    Actually, it can be contained (even if that is bad, as it is, it’s an enormous tragedy). Most of the world is not interested in a bigger war over these issues. The Americans are ok with prolonging the war (unfortunately), but they are not interested in expanding it into NATO territory – that is vital. China (and the so called global south) are not interested in any war at all.

    Only Russia and Ukraine would be interested in expanding the war – Russia so that they wouldn’t have to lose to Ukraine, but would lose to NATO (and make NATO pay at least some for helping Ukraine), and Ukraine – to be able to attract Russia’s attention to a second front and expend their resources elsewhere. Although for Ukraine that’s not their main wish – their main wish is just to get all of the weapons that were promised so they can recover more territory and push the war further away from their territory.

    out of atavistic hatred of Russia

    It is not “atavistic” but based on every day facts from the most recent 30 years and the things that the Russian side says TODAY. If it was about some past issues, we wouldn’t have a war as neither side would care enough to have a physical war. Everyone was ready to move on after 1991, except the Russian side.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW

    I would say it was probably more economic reasons, Sweden has been more idealized than Finland in the second half of the 20th century. If you exclude things like a strange early 20th century legacy of the ideology based in "Aryan vs non-Aryan" difference between Sweden and Finland.

    In the recent years, Sweden has only a slightly higher nominal income than Finland. But it's also a much larger nation with twice Finland's population, more culture power, more utopian ideology.

    Although the difference in the nominal income is quite small and they have been both some of the wealthiest countries in the world in the per capita indicator.

    https://i.imgur.com/oEVrQTt.jpeg

    Sweden's GDP overall is twice Finland.

    https://i.imgur.com/OjKGNzN.jpg

    Interesting, until recently Sweden's population have been a lot more physically healthy than the population in Finland in terms of life expectancy.

    Maybe there could be some differences of public health policy, smoking rates, genetics, diet etc.
    https://i.imgur.com/LAfIswj.jpg

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Beckow
    @LatW


    Whatever insinuations they very seldomly use (often only in private) – are not meant in a hostile...
     
    You see inside Scandie souls? You are the only one, tell us how you do it... The mutual Scandie dislikes exist, they hide it better because they are dull, scared and conformist people. They have again lamely switched to hating "Russia!", seeing Russian subs underwater - a good reflection of their fearful and indirect personalities.

    Ukies were jumping up and down in 2014 about "killing Moskali", it was openly embraced by Maidanistas - can you find a better example of ethnic hostility? In Russia, UK...? Don't preach.


    Were the Germans not once expelled from their old colonial lands in Eastern Europe? Is it how things should be? No. But it is not impossible. There have been examples in the past.
     
    The idea that you will expel millions of Russians is quite ugly and dangerous. Germany killed tens of millions in and lost the war. It is not a good analogy. That it comes to you so easily is worrisome. It is a mutual road to hell. Don't pine for it.

    ...it can be contained (even if that is bad, as it is, it’s an enormous tragedy). Most of the world is not interested in a bigger war over these issues.
     
    I agree. But EE has been falling. Some experience it as exhilaration, they dream of 'others' who are hurt more, but the falling has not slowed and it affects everyone. To contain it you need to stop the idiotic dreams about weakening Russia and expelling Russians.

    It is very simple: Ukraine needs to be neutral and has to treat its millions of Russian citizens as equal - or they allow them to secede and join Russia. Or we can fight this to the last standing Ukie or possibly go nuclear. But nobody is "marching on Moscow", or taking Crimea and expelling 2 million people there.

    It will take some time before it sinks in, but the way it will end is a neutral rump-Ukraine with more rational leaders. Or we pretty much all perish, at least in Central-Eastern Europe.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW, @Thulean Friend

  167. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW


    We were told that without being in Nato we can’t be in EU

    Were you explicitly told that in the media? Do you have verifiable information that that’s what the government was explicitly told?
     
    One of the sad/hilarious episodes in Jacques Vallee's new journal is when the French voters rejected the EU constitution referendum. Which he praised as a triumph for democracy and celebration of the spirit of the French people. : (

    If there was a follow up entry when the voters were told to go jump in the lake I missed it.

    Replies: @LatW

    One of the sad/hilarious episodes in Jacques Vallee’s new journal is when the French voters rejected the EU constitution referendum.

    That project was probably too ambitious. Most European populations aren’t really ready for that (if they will ever be). It turned into an experiment (but they must have spent a lot of money on the public debates). That was still during the period of a sort of a federalist idealism – before the schisms and some of the tougher issues became visible. Not sure they would realistically draft something like this today. Although who knows.

    But, yes, it is funny how it essentially came from a Frenchman and then was discarded by the French themselves. At least it was an exercise in democracy. 🙂

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @LatW


    At least it was an exercise in democracy. 🙂
     
    Yes, sure. Feeling this time unable to blatantly ignore the popular votes in two countries, they just renamed the Constitution to Treaty of Lisbon and went ahead with it anyway :-)

    Speaking of which, I don't know why you doubt that EE nations were forced to join NATO if they wanted to join the EU. That policy was already in place 20 years earlier when Spain was also strongarmed to join NATO, contrary to what the new Spanish Government had promised to the electorate just a year prior. Another one of those exercises in democracy by shadowy forces, some of them surely across the Atlantic, that nobody has ever met, let alone voted for. But at least there was a Cold War to win then. What Western countries gained by expanding NATO towards Russia in 1999 and 2004 is totally unclear to this day. Nobody ever bothered to explain it to us plebes.

    Replies: @LatW, @sudden death

  168. @Mikhail
    @songbird

    They've some big mother pythons in Florida. There's also the matter of the super wild pigs in the US - the apparent result of a cross bread with a Eurasian variant.

    Replies: @songbird

    One of my favorite YouTubers, Casual Earth, who specializes in geography, put out a video on the pythons in Florida.

    He notes that North America is a very different environment because there isn’t a mountain chain blocking the cold air from Canada, and even the deep South gets occasional cold snaps.

    He does not seem to think the worst predictions about their spread will come true, but leaves open the possibility that they will evolve to better deal with the cold.

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  169. @John Johnson
    @Dmitry

    A hypothetical fake death of Prigozhin, would be a story like in some of the famous mafia films. For example, the story of the film “Once Upon in America”.

    They already DNA'd him.

    Prigozhin had a deathwish. I'm not at all surprised that he returned to Moscow.

    Making a deal to enter Belarus was nuts given that he tried to start an insurrection.

    He needed to exit Eastern Europe entirely. The guy had over a billion dollars. He could have built a fortress in Argentina with thousands of guards and waited out the war.

    I don't think we will ever understand the real Prigozhin.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    It wouldn’t be fake death organized by Prigozhin, it would be a fake death as part of the agreement to exit the march on Moscow and restore authority, to exit politics etc.

    I.e. like in a Witness Protection Program.

    About the postsoviet politics of the last 30 years, it’s a secretive mafia world, so outsiders only guess about the real situation from their PR or theater performances.

    Prigozhin’s story is one of the most strange postsoviet circus, especially in the last week when he was posting suddenly a video about fighting in Africa as preparation for the next theatre.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Dmitry

    It wouldn’t be fake death organized by Prigozhin, it would be a fake death as part of the agreement to exit the march on Moscow and restore authority, to exit politics etc.

    I.e. like in a Witness Protection Program.

    How would you trust someone like Prigozhin to stay hidden? He loves attention.

    Simplest explanation fits best. Putin had him killed.

    Putin had an oligarch killed for simply stating he was against the war. One sentence.

    Prigozhin actually defied him and said the war was based on lies. He also called Putin a bunker grandpa and implied that he is clueless about war tactics.

    You think Putin would let that pass with a deal? His former chef defying and insulting him? What would Putin get out of it over killing him?

  170. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @John Johnson

    I'm not defending their religion or practices.

    There's lots of bad there, the point is, there might be something interesting that has saved them partially from some of the worse excesses of modern nihilism, at least for a time (and perhaps not that much longer), and that can be useful to learn from, at least for secular Americans - while still rejecting most of their religion and practices.

    I could never in a million years be a Mormon, but I try and look at the larger picture. I've learned things from people, who, on the whole, I've despised.

    Replies: @Mikel, @John Johnson

    Sorry Aaron but what what you’re doing here is wrong. First you’re debating a person who has possibly forgotten what your religious background is, even though you told him the other day, and may start saying that you are a Mormon any moment now. You’re not going to convince him of anything. Second, and this is even worse for me, you’re giving him the opportunity of posting a lot of crap for the umpteenth time to explain how much he despises Mormons and how evil they are (because he allegedly had some bad business experience with some Mormon but has obviously never lived close to real Mormons).

    JJ is not even Dmitry, too proud to admit that his knowledge acquired online may not be as reliable as daily real life experience, but at least he does his research and comes back with some sort of novel ideas. No chance of that with JJ.

    Anyway, I think that your description of Mormons is quite accurate. I would just add a couple of caveats. First, it is true that making money in Utah is important and there are quite a lot of successful Mormon businessmen. But I’m not sure how different this is from any other state or traditional religion in the US. Where in America is it not important to make money and be materially successful? Besides, it is quite remarkable how among Mormons material concerns seldom if ever get in the way of religious practice. In fact, I even know a few Mormon families who most definitely put their religion way above money. They keep having children, as their religion commands, in spite of living with modest salaries and very tight budgets. One of them, with pioneer origins on both sides, could pay off their mortgage just by selling a vacant plot of land adjacent to their house but they prefer to keep the land and have an old-style 1-acre property. This is a family that doesn’t have the money to go on vacation or drive modern cars. They buy second-hand clothes and clearance food. Having no mortgage or, most definitely, less children, would allow them to live much closer to the standards of their own relatives and neighbors but they just won’t do it. I obviously don’t know everybody in Utah but the sample of those I do tells me that such cases must be very common.

    The second caveat is that, behind all the wealth and business activity you see in Utah, a strong communitarian (even socialist) element remains in the society here. One little known aspect of Mormonism is that originally they built a semi-Communist society where the Church led all aspects of people’s lives and practically owned the majority of the land. Fundamentalist Mormons on the border with Arizona still live like that, even renting their houses form the Church. Even though the majority of Mormons have always had British origins, with their high trust but individualist tendencies, I have the strong impression that the big contingent of Scandinavians that came here during the 19th century, especially from Denmark and Sweden, had a big influence in shaping social life in Utah by adding a much more communitarian approach than what is typical among pure Anglos. I don’t have the time to expand on this now and I guess it’s of little interest to most people but let that be known.

    PS- JJ sometimes manages to make some good points here and there and I guess we’re all just a bunch a weirdos here anyway but I can’t forget his faux passes with me. It’s just not worth debating him.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikel

    he despises Mormons and how evil they are (because he allegedly had some bad business experience with some Mormon but has obviously never lived close to real Mormons).

    I live in rural America. We have Mormons.

    My opinions of Mormons are not merely based on my experiences. As with Islam I simply think it is unhealthy for children.

    Do you think it is healthy to teach children that:
    1. Non Mormon neighbors will be your future slaves for eternity
    2. Magic underwear is needed to enter the temple
    3. Jesus visited Israeli tribes in America around 33 AD
    4. All other Christian churches are corrupt
    5. An angel told the prophet that polygamy is A-OK

    This religion is a mess. It is clearly the work of a single bullshitter who in fact had a reputation of lying.
    https://www.patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/book-of-mormon-central/2021/why-was-joseph-smith-accused-of-being-a-disorderly-person-in-1826-594

    I don't believe in lying to children about history. There were no Israeli tribes in 33 AD America. That is ridiculous.

    I also have Mennonite neighbors and think they are great. I have zero problems with them and they don't have the creepy vibe that you can sense in unstable Mormons. The Mormon religion is not good for the men. They are rarely allowed a break from it all and of course can't sit down and have a beer or coffee. Well not in front of other Mormons anyways.

    , @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @Mikel

    Lol, I hear :) JJ does seem to be very stubborn, and to have a very simple black and white view of things, and to frequently misunderstand others comments, but he makes some interesting comments sometimes and is far from the worst here. As you say, another Unz weirdo like all of us - and I try and talk to everyone except the most creepy and sinister, and perhaps even them :)

    But I was primarily trying to "awaken" JJ to the possibility of nuance and complexity of thinking - that something may be "bad" but also on another level "good", or a step on the path to good. Or that a situation that contains much more bad things overall than another situation, may on the whole, contain more good things as well and be worth learning from to some degree, whereas another situation may not be so bad but also have nothing particularly good in it.

    JJ strikes me as a very extreme case of simplistic left-hemisphere thinking, which I was trying to "snap him out of" and learn to see things with nuance and depth.

    You make good points re the religion of money in America and perhaps the cultural contribution of Swedes to the Mormon community, although I think all religious communities by definition practice some form of altruism.

    And thanks for providing examples of moral conviction trumping self-interest among Mormons - that can only happen in a religious context, of course.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @Mikel

  171. @Beckow
    @AP


    Which of these were forced upon and dictated to whom? Was Slovakia forced to be in NATO?
     
    All of them. We were told that without being in Nato we can't be in EU. Period.

    You have double standards when it comes to applying the term dictate. The inconsistency you display - some can, others can't - is a sign of poor mental health. Or desperate losing ideology: Russia having any say is a "dictat", but your side is all saints. Right? St. Augustine said that all saints have past...are you so unaware?


    And “autonomy”, according to the Russian side, meant being able to make treaties with other states (i.e., free trade with Russia) that would therefore cancel Ukraine’s ability to, say, link itself with the EU....So, no longer an independent state.
     
    Complete nonsense. The Aland Islands have autonomy in Finland and strong links to Sweden, is Finland not independent? South Tyrol in Italy, endless other examples of regions that have trade and cultural links to others. You are making up a straw-man because you know there was no reason for Kiev to reject Minsk and provoke the war. It will end much worse for them now. You medicate yourself with scary lies.

    Poland having a huge border and many more people who could move there.
     
    And yet, almost nobody did until the luckless Ukies showed up. You are mixing what I said: Polish peddlers doing odd jobs, selling crap to do 'business' and people who permanently migrate to live in other countries. You either lack logic or you are intentionally deceptive.

    Finally, a guy who claims that Poland is a sunny paradise...have you been there? Or better, have you visited other places? But contra gustos no hay disputas...

    Replies: @LatW, @A123, @AP

    We were told that without being in Nato we can’t be in EU. Period

    This has never made sense to me.

    Germany and France keep talking about building a military alternative to NATO. That goal would be strengthened by obtaining EU members who are non-NATO. Consider Türkiye, a member of NATO. They have been stuck in the EU queue for decades. This suggests that it is easier to join the EU if one is not in NATO.

    Given legitimate Russian concerns about militarization, the most likely post conflict path is the new, more compact Ukraine will join the EU only. No NATO Ever would be locked in via treaty.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @A123

    You misunderstand it completely. France occasionally talks about EU military force as a complement to Nato - not a replacement. It is a sop to their population. French talk a lot but they are in reality complete patsies. It is only attitude. There is no such thing as Euro military.

    Turkey will never be in EU, it is just a charade to keep them in Nato. Turkey joined Nato in 1960 (?) - before the institutions were properly organized. Turkey is also strategically super-important, it is a game we play - everyone understands the rules.


    the most likely post conflict path is the new, more compact Ukraine will join the EU only.
     
    Possibly, if the rump leftover Ukraine is very small and has no strategic importance. But Ukraine in EU would come with huge costs for the current EU members - endless subsidies, cheap labor, impact on agriculture, etc... The Nato membership (having a knife on Russia's throat) was supposed to compensate for it. There was also hope to access the Russian market through Ukraine. This may very well end up as a lose-lose for Ukraine, they have played their cards very badly.

    Replies: @Wielgus

  172. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Actually they do, in the usual lame Scandie way…:)
     
    They do not. Whatever insinuations they very seldomly use (often only in private) - are not meant in a hostile and deeply condescending way the way that the Russian talk down on the Ukrainian. Right now it's too late anyway and it has gone to complete hell, it's over it's going to be like Armenians and Azeris or Serbs and Croats (or even worse) but I was referring to the period before the full scale war or even 2014, where it was already bad. If the intention had been to be like Scandies, that's when the issues should've been worked out. If not, separate and move on. No need to co-habit with those you despise. But Russia cannot do what Sweden did.

    The way the Scandies talk to each other is much more subdued, careful, reserved, sure the Swedes do look down on the Finns inside, but they do not show it (or maybe they have moved on at this point and no longer look down on them) - the Russians go out of their way to show their contempt for all the others. The difference is also that in some ways the Swedes are perceived as superior to Finns (at least according to standard European cultural norms or the ideal European behavior, although this is, of course, debatable - I personally don't necessarily agree with that), while Russians are not seen as superior to Ukrainians (based on EE cultural norms), no matter how much they tell themselves they are.

    Ukraine is in Eastern Europe
     
    Right, so they are allying with other Eastern Europeans. That's not even what I meant - I wasn't talking about the geopolitical or even geographic or cultural alignment but about the relationship dynamics. The relationship dynamics have to be in a good place for things to work. In those other European examples you provided, the very core relationship is resolved and at peace.

    You can’t stage a “revolution” to force others to obey you new invented identity.
     
    It's not invented but real - and this was the original mistake of the Russians to oversee that (they knew all along, just didn't want to admit it and accept it) as well as Russophile Westerners who made the same mistake (claiming Ukraine was "fake and gay").

    The reason for the war is the Ukie fanatical unwillingness to treat their fellow Russian citizens as equal, to accept that they have cultural and economic rights.
     
    Again, you choose to ignore the elephant in the room - the Russian pseudo-imperialistic tendencies. But that's your choice.

    Majority can’t disposes millions of people who want to stay who they are and import military conflict into Ukraine with Nato.
     
    Were the Germans not once expelled from their old colonial lands in Eastern Europe? Is it how things should be? No. But it is not impossible. There have been examples in the past.

    That would eventually lead to a much bigger war.
     
    Actually, it can be contained (even if that is bad, as it is, it's an enormous tragedy). Most of the world is not interested in a bigger war over these issues. The Americans are ok with prolonging the war (unfortunately), but they are not interested in expanding it into NATO territory - that is vital. China (and the so called global south) are not interested in any war at all.

    Only Russia and Ukraine would be interested in expanding the war - Russia so that they wouldn't have to lose to Ukraine, but would lose to NATO (and make NATO pay at least some for helping Ukraine), and Ukraine - to be able to attract Russia's attention to a second front and expend their resources elsewhere. Although for Ukraine that's not their main wish - their main wish is just to get all of the weapons that were promised so they can recover more territory and push the war further away from their territory.


    out of atavistic hatred of Russia
     
    It is not "atavistic" but based on every day facts from the most recent 30 years and the things that the Russian side says TODAY. If it was about some past issues, we wouldn't have a war as neither side would care enough to have a physical war. Everyone was ready to move on after 1991, except the Russian side.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Beckow

    I would say it was probably more economic reasons, Sweden has been more idealized than Finland in the second half of the 20th century. If you exclude things like a strange early 20th century legacy of the ideology based in “Aryan vs non-Aryan” difference between Sweden and Finland.

    In the recent years, Sweden has only a slightly higher nominal income than Finland. But it’s also a much larger nation with twice Finland’s population, more culture power, more utopian ideology.

    Although the difference in the nominal income is quite small and they have been both some of the wealthiest countries in the world in the per capita indicator.

    Sweden’s GDP overall is twice Finland.

    Interesting, until recently Sweden’s population have been a lot more physically healthy than the population in Finland in terms of life expectancy.

    Maybe there could be some differences of public health policy, smoking rates, genetics, diet etc.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Interesting, until recently Sweden’s population have been a lot more physically healthy than the population in Finland in terms of life expectancy.
     
    This is generally what I was alluding to - not the economic or even past imperial factors. Swedish habits and behaviors have traditionally been more aligned with the contemporary European ideal (even though this is probably a stereotype and maybe not entirely fair to the Finns who have historically had it more rough than Swedes). Although they both have an overall well balanced demeanor.

    The Swedes used to have better health metrics although Finns are very healthy and robust as well, the Swedes tend to be a little bit more refined (which traditionally Finns consider a bit effeminate).

    Either way, these differences seem to be fading out (while they continue to maintain their distinct ethnic cultures and even phenotypes). My point was more about how two nations that used to be in a colonial relationship have been able to move on, especially the respective "bigger brother" nation in that relationship.

    This is why pointing to them as an example for certain Eastern Slavs is not all that accurate or even applicable (even if it were desirable).

    Replies: @LatW, @Dmitry

  173. @Dmitry
    @LatW

    I would say it was probably more economic reasons, Sweden has been more idealized than Finland in the second half of the 20th century. If you exclude things like a strange early 20th century legacy of the ideology based in "Aryan vs non-Aryan" difference between Sweden and Finland.

    In the recent years, Sweden has only a slightly higher nominal income than Finland. But it's also a much larger nation with twice Finland's population, more culture power, more utopian ideology.

    Although the difference in the nominal income is quite small and they have been both some of the wealthiest countries in the world in the per capita indicator.

    https://i.imgur.com/oEVrQTt.jpeg

    Sweden's GDP overall is twice Finland.

    https://i.imgur.com/OjKGNzN.jpg

    Interesting, until recently Sweden's population have been a lot more physically healthy than the population in Finland in terms of life expectancy.

    Maybe there could be some differences of public health policy, smoking rates, genetics, diet etc.
    https://i.imgur.com/LAfIswj.jpg

    Replies: @LatW

    Interesting, until recently Sweden’s population have been a lot more physically healthy than the population in Finland in terms of life expectancy.

    This is generally what I was alluding to – not the economic or even past imperial factors. Swedish habits and behaviors have traditionally been more aligned with the contemporary European ideal (even though this is probably a stereotype and maybe not entirely fair to the Finns who have historically had it more rough than Swedes). Although they both have an overall well balanced demeanor.

    The Swedes used to have better health metrics although Finns are very healthy and robust as well, the Swedes tend to be a little bit more refined (which traditionally Finns consider a bit effeminate).

    Either way, these differences seem to be fading out (while they continue to maintain their distinct ethnic cultures and even phenotypes). My point was more about how two nations that used to be in a colonial relationship have been able to move on, especially the respective “bigger brother” nation in that relationship.

    This is why pointing to them as an example for certain Eastern Slavs is not all that accurate or even applicable (even if it were desirable).

    • Replies: @LatW
    @LatW


    This is why pointing to them as an example for certain Eastern Slavs is not all that accurate or even applicable (even if it were desirable).
     
    In fact, there is one big reason why this wasn't a good example (or even applicable): Finland was never one of the founding elements of Sweden (it was more of a buffer and one of the lands in the Swedish realm, similar to Ingria) or even a big part in defining the historic Swedish identity, whereas Ukraine has been one of the foundational elements of the Russian Empire, and the Ukrainian nation has probably been the biggest demographic donor to the Russian nation (from all the outside Euro nations, I'm not counting Tatar or Asian here).

    The dynamic is quite different there. It is strange but Russia sees Ukraine as another E.Slavic nation that could become a competitor (while simultaneously viewing it as inferior - "Kiev in 3 days" thinking, etc). Sweden doesn't see Finland that way at all. Muscovy used to swallow all the competing Slavic nations in its vicinity (Novgorod, Pskov, etc).

    Kiev was very much the founding principle of the Russian identity and they are right now fighting over who is the true heir of the Kievan Rus'. In the case of Finland and Sweden (or other Euro nations with traditional minority enclaves) this is not so. This is crucial.

    , @Dmitry
    @LatW


    Swedes used to have better health metrics
     
    In Western Europe, in general Northern countries are less healthy than the Southern countries in terms of life expectancy.

    Countries with the longest life expectancy in the world include South-West Europe, Japan and South Korea.

    But there is exception with Sweden/Norway/Iceland, who are competitive with Southern Europe, while in Northern Europe.

    Although Denmark is in the more typical Northern European level.

    https://i.imgur.com/rr5Niej.jpg


    although Finns are very healthy and robust as well
     
    In the 20th century, Finland had the highest heart disease in the world. In Karelia, the highest rate of heart disease in Finland.

    But they responded like a developed country and reformed the lifestyle. You can see how they attained this. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6062761/ They reduced the heart disease mortality by almost seven times in some regions between 1972 and 2011.

    "Coronary mortality, especially among middle age men, was extremely high across Finland (about 500/100,000) and in North Karelia, the most eastern province of the country, 700 / 100,000."

    "This is the highest ever measured coronary mortality in any population in the world. Local people in North Karelia had become accustomed to young men dying from heart attacks at the age of 40 and 50."

    https://i.imgur.com/ent3VH7.jpg

  174. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Interesting, until recently Sweden’s population have been a lot more physically healthy than the population in Finland in terms of life expectancy.
     
    This is generally what I was alluding to - not the economic or even past imperial factors. Swedish habits and behaviors have traditionally been more aligned with the contemporary European ideal (even though this is probably a stereotype and maybe not entirely fair to the Finns who have historically had it more rough than Swedes). Although they both have an overall well balanced demeanor.

    The Swedes used to have better health metrics although Finns are very healthy and robust as well, the Swedes tend to be a little bit more refined (which traditionally Finns consider a bit effeminate).

    Either way, these differences seem to be fading out (while they continue to maintain their distinct ethnic cultures and even phenotypes). My point was more about how two nations that used to be in a colonial relationship have been able to move on, especially the respective "bigger brother" nation in that relationship.

    This is why pointing to them as an example for certain Eastern Slavs is not all that accurate or even applicable (even if it were desirable).

    Replies: @LatW, @Dmitry

    This is why pointing to them as an example for certain Eastern Slavs is not all that accurate or even applicable (even if it were desirable).

    In fact, there is one big reason why this wasn’t a good example (or even applicable): Finland was never one of the founding elements of Sweden (it was more of a buffer and one of the lands in the Swedish realm, similar to Ingria) or even a big part in defining the historic Swedish identity, whereas Ukraine has been one of the foundational elements of the Russian Empire, and the Ukrainian nation has probably been the biggest demographic donor to the Russian nation (from all the outside Euro nations, I’m not counting Tatar or Asian here).

    The dynamic is quite different there. It is strange but Russia sees Ukraine as another E.Slavic nation that could become a competitor (while simultaneously viewing it as inferior – “Kiev in 3 days” thinking, etc). Sweden doesn’t see Finland that way at all. Muscovy used to swallow all the competing Slavic nations in its vicinity (Novgorod, Pskov, etc).

    Kiev was very much the founding principle of the Russian identity and they are right now fighting over who is the true heir of the Kievan Rus’. In the case of Finland and Sweden (or other Euro nations with traditional minority enclaves) this is not so. This is crucial.

  175. @HeavilyMarbledSteak
    @John Johnson

    I'm not defending their religion or practices.

    There's lots of bad there, the point is, there might be something interesting that has saved them partially from some of the worse excesses of modern nihilism, at least for a time (and perhaps not that much longer), and that can be useful to learn from, at least for secular Americans - while still rejecting most of their religion and practices.

    I could never in a million years be a Mormon, but I try and look at the larger picture. I've learned things from people, who, on the whole, I've despised.

    Replies: @Mikel, @John Johnson

    I’m not defending their religion or practices.

    I know. I’m not a fan and need to vent at times. I live in rural America and we have them.

    There’s lots of bad there, the point is, there might be something interesting that has saved them partially from some of the worse excesses of modern nihilism, at least for a time (and perhaps not that much longer), and that can be useful to learn from, at least for secular Americans – while still rejecting most of their religion and practices.

    Children of secular Whites are much more likely to engage in drugs and self-destructive behavior. I don’t deny that at all.

    Teaching children that the universe is pointless will have negative consequences. But I also don’t think we should teach them that their neighbors are their future slaves.

  176. @Mikel
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    Sorry Aaron but what what you're doing here is wrong. First you're debating a person who has possibly forgotten what your religious background is, even though you told him the other day, and may start saying that you are a Mormon any moment now. You're not going to convince him of anything. Second, and this is even worse for me, you're giving him the opportunity of posting a lot of crap for the umpteenth time to explain how much he despises Mormons and how evil they are (because he allegedly had some bad business experience with some Mormon but has obviously never lived close to real Mormons).

    JJ is not even Dmitry, too proud to admit that his knowledge acquired online may not be as reliable as daily real life experience, but at least he does his research and comes back with some sort of novel ideas. No chance of that with JJ.

    Anyway, I think that your description of Mormons is quite accurate. I would just add a couple of caveats. First, it is true that making money in Utah is important and there are quite a lot of successful Mormon businessmen. But I'm not sure how different this is from any other state or traditional religion in the US. Where in America is it not important to make money and be materially successful? Besides, it is quite remarkable how among Mormons material concerns seldom if ever get in the way of religious practice. In fact, I even know a few Mormon families who most definitely put their religion way above money. They keep having children, as their religion commands, in spite of living with modest salaries and very tight budgets. One of them, with pioneer origins on both sides, could pay off their mortgage just by selling a vacant plot of land adjacent to their house but they prefer to keep the land and have an old-style 1-acre property. This is a family that doesn't have the money to go on vacation or drive modern cars. They buy second-hand clothes and clearance food. Having no mortgage or, most definitely, less children, would allow them to live much closer to the standards of their own relatives and neighbors but they just won't do it. I obviously don't know everybody in Utah but the sample of those I do tells me that such cases must be very common.

    The second caveat is that, behind all the wealth and business activity you see in Utah, a strong communitarian (even socialist) element remains in the society here. One little known aspect of Mormonism is that originally they built a semi-Communist society where the Church led all aspects of people's lives and practically owned the majority of the land. Fundamentalist Mormons on the border with Arizona still live like that, even renting their houses form the Church. Even though the majority of Mormons have always had British origins, with their high trust but individualist tendencies, I have the strong impression that the big contingent of Scandinavians that came here during the 19th century, especially from Denmark and Sweden, had a big influence in shaping social life in Utah by adding a much more communitarian approach than what is typical among pure Anglos. I don't have the time to expand on this now and I guess it's of little interest to most people but let that be known.

    PS- JJ sometimes manages to make some good points here and there and I guess we're all just a bunch a weirdos here anyway but I can't forget his faux passes with me. It's just not worth debating him.

    Replies: @John Johnson, @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    he despises Mormons and how evil they are (because he allegedly had some bad business experience with some Mormon but has obviously never lived close to real Mormons).

    I live in rural America. We have Mormons.

    My opinions of Mormons are not merely based on my experiences. As with Islam I simply think it is unhealthy for children.

    Do you think it is healthy to teach children that:
    1. Non Mormon neighbors will be your future slaves for eternity
    2. Magic underwear is needed to enter the temple
    3. Jesus visited Israeli tribes in America around 33 AD
    4. All other Christian churches are corrupt
    5. An angel told the prophet that polygamy is A-OK

    This religion is a mess. It is clearly the work of a single bullshitter who in fact had a reputation of lying.
    https://www.patheos.com/editorial/podcasts/book-of-mormon-central/2021/why-was-joseph-smith-accused-of-being-a-disorderly-person-in-1826-594

    I don’t believe in lying to children about history. There were no Israeli tribes in 33 AD America. That is ridiculous.

    I also have Mennonite neighbors and think they are great. I have zero problems with them and they don’t have the creepy vibe that you can sense in unstable Mormons. The Mormon religion is not good for the men. They are rarely allowed a break from it all and of course can’t sit down and have a beer or coffee. Well not in front of other Mormons anyways.

    • Troll: Mikel
  177. @Beckow
    @AP


    Which of these were forced upon and dictated to whom? Was Slovakia forced to be in NATO?
     
    All of them. We were told that without being in Nato we can't be in EU. Period.

    You have double standards when it comes to applying the term dictate. The inconsistency you display - some can, others can't - is a sign of poor mental health. Or desperate losing ideology: Russia having any say is a "dictat", but your side is all saints. Right? St. Augustine said that all saints have past...are you so unaware?


    And “autonomy”, according to the Russian side, meant being able to make treaties with other states (i.e., free trade with Russia) that would therefore cancel Ukraine’s ability to, say, link itself with the EU....So, no longer an independent state.
     
    Complete nonsense. The Aland Islands have autonomy in Finland and strong links to Sweden, is Finland not independent? South Tyrol in Italy, endless other examples of regions that have trade and cultural links to others. You are making up a straw-man because you know there was no reason for Kiev to reject Minsk and provoke the war. It will end much worse for them now. You medicate yourself with scary lies.

    Poland having a huge border and many more people who could move there.
     
    And yet, almost nobody did until the luckless Ukies showed up. You are mixing what I said: Polish peddlers doing odd jobs, selling crap to do 'business' and people who permanently migrate to live in other countries. You either lack logic or you are intentionally deceptive.

    Finally, a guy who claims that Poland is a sunny paradise...have you been there? Or better, have you visited other places? But contra gustos no hay disputas...

    Replies: @LatW, @A123, @AP

    Which of these were forced upon and dictated to whom? Was Slovakia forced to be in NATO?

    All of them. We were told that without being in Nato we can’t be in EU. Period.

    Slovakia’s accession treaty was signed in 2003 but it didn’t become a member of NATO until 2004.

    Even if what you claimed was true, where was the coercion? Were you forced to be in the EU? You wanted to be. And so, you wanted to be in NATO, as a way of getting into the EU. There was no “force” involved.

    You have double standards when it comes to applying the term dictate…Russia having any say is a “dictat“,

    Russia invaded and bombed Ukraine because Ukraine did not capitulate to Russia’s demands.

    Was the EU going to bomb Slovakia if Slovakia didn’t join NATO or the EU?

    Are you really too stupid to notice the difference?

    And “autonomy”, according to the Russian side, meant being able to make treaties with other states (i.e., free trade with Russia) that would therefore cancel Ukraine’s ability to, say, link itself with the EU….So, no longer an independent state.

    Complete nonsense

    Russians themselves were quite about how autonomy (decentalization) was defined by them.

    Surkov coordinated the drafting of extra demands (published on 13 May as proposals from the DNR/LNR). These would give the occupied regions even greater powers: responsibility for legal regulation of the Ukraine/Russia border; the right to conclude agreements with foreign states; their own charters (which would, for example, prevent the president of Ukraine from dismissing local executive organs); their own budgets to ensure ‘financial autonomy’; and rights to introduce states of emergency and hold elections and referendums. Lastly, Ukraine would write a neutrality clause into its constitution

    Could Ukraine join the EU or EU AA if two of its autonomous provinces had a free trade agreement with Russia?

    The Aland Islands have autonomy in Finland and strong links to Sweden, is Finland not independent?

    Both of those countries are in EU so it’s a stupid analogy. If all of Ukraine were part of the Eurasian Customs Union the Donbas arrangement wouldn’t have mattered, either.

    You are mixing what I said: Polish peddlers doing odd jobs, selling crap to do ‘business’ and people who permanently migrate to live in other countries.

    You have no proof of your claim, but a record of lying all the time.

    However we do know that Polish salaries are higher than Slovak salaries and the unemployment rate is lower in Poland than in Slovakia, we also know that very few Poles actually move to Slovakia, and that relative to population far more Slovaks move to Poland than vice versa. So your claim about Poles going to Slovakia to make money is unrealistic.

    Finally, a guy who claims that Poland is a sunny paradise

    I never said Poland was a “sunny paradise.” I said it was sunnier than most of northern Europe. Including most of Slovakia. Warsaw is sunnier than Berlin, Paris, London, Stockholm, Amsterdam, etc.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Surkov coordinated the drafting of extra demands (published on 13 May as proposals from the DNR/LNR). These would give the occupied regions even greater powers: responsibility for legal regulation of the Ukraine/Russia border; the right to conclude agreements with foreign states; their own charters (which would, for example, prevent the president of Ukraine from dismissing local executive organs); their own budgets to ensure ‘financial autonomy’; and rights to introduce states of emergency and hold elections and referendums. Lastly, Ukraine would write a neutrality clause into its constitution

    Could Ukraine join the EU or EU AA if two of its autonomous provinces had a free trade agreement with Russia?
     
    Interestingly enough, based on what I read, Hitler actually tried a similar strategy with the Sudetenland back in 1938 (a Sudeten German "state within a state" within Czechoslovakia) before deciding that supporting Sudeten secession and destroying Czechoslovakia that way was apparently more optimal.

    Also, by 13 May, you mean 13 May 2022, right?
    , @Beckow
    @AP


    treaty was signed in 2003 but it didn’t become a member of NATO until 2004...you wanted to be in NATO, as a way of getting into the EU. There was no “force” involved.
     
    You seem blissfully unaware of how it works :) You are told that you can have your business only if you join a 'security club', is there 'force'? It happened simultaneously, don't play with dates. No country in EE was considered for EU without first agreeing to join Nato. If the shoe was on the other foot, I doubt you would play stupid.

    By the way, Nato bombed Serbia in 1999 to make sure the message was clear.


    Ukraine would write a neutrality clause into its constitution...Could Ukraine join the EU or EU AA if two of its autonomous provinces had a free trade agreement with Russia?
     
    Yes, but they had to negotiate with both sides. Ukraine had free trade with Russia since 1991. Therefore joining EU required a renegotiation with Russia: Kiev and EU refused to even discuss it hoping to use Ukraine is a backdoor to the Russian market.

    It was a simple case of connected vessels: if A is open to B, and B is open to C, then A is open to C. Russia naturally refused to go along and started to put restrictions on Ukie trade. Do you think that Russians are too stupid to protect their markets? Didn't UK just do it with regard to Northern Ireland after leaving EU? For God's sake, stop pretending to be so dense, this is Unz, not NY Times.


    Polish peddlers doing odd jobs, selling crap to do ‘business’...
     
    Haha...do you seriously deny that it is happening? Come over, we can have a drink and a good laugh as they mumble bardzo dobrze... Or we can try in the poorer parts of London. They are harmless, but definitely not "rich"...your numbers are meaningless, Poles use zlotys, nobody has any idea how much they are really worth or how to adjust the purchasing power. You are comparing apples and oranges. As always.
  178. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Sean

    If your digital revolution is the FAGM's + AI then everybody it passes by may be at an advantage real soon now. : )

    Replies: @Sean

    If your ambition is to live like a Russian and die like a man (ie in mid fifties of alcoholic poisoning).

    Start at 1:46

    • Replies: @A123
    @Sean

    Beer Is Food -- Bluegrass Brewing Company, Louisville, KY

     
    https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/08/4d/ec/3e/bluegrass-brewing-company.jpg
     

    Also, my bacon is trying to communicate with me.

     
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YdJsXaw6FQI/maxresdefault.jpg
     

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Sean, @Wielgus

  179. @Dmitry
    @John Johnson

    It wouldn't be fake death organized by Prigozhin, it would be a fake death as part of the agreement to exit the march on Moscow and restore authority, to exit politics etc.

    I.e. like in a Witness Protection Program.

    About the postsoviet politics of the last 30 years, it's a secretive mafia world, so outsiders only guess about the real situation from their PR or theater performances.

    Prigozhin's story is one of the most strange postsoviet circus, especially in the last week when he was posting suddenly a video about fighting in Africa as preparation for the next theatre.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    It wouldn’t be fake death organized by Prigozhin, it would be a fake death as part of the agreement to exit the march on Moscow and restore authority, to exit politics etc.

    I.e. like in a Witness Protection Program.

    How would you trust someone like Prigozhin to stay hidden? He loves attention.

    Simplest explanation fits best. Putin had him killed.

    Putin had an oligarch killed for simply stating he was against the war. One sentence.

    Prigozhin actually defied him and said the war was based on lies. He also called Putin a bunker grandpa and implied that he is clueless about war tactics.

    You think Putin would let that pass with a deal? His former chef defying and insulting him? What would Putin get out of it over killing him?

  180. You think Putin would let that pass with a deal?

    Also applies to Ukraine.

  181. @Sean
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    If your ambition is to live like a Russian and die like a man (ie in mid fifties of alcoholic poisoning).

    Start at 1:46

    https://youtu.be/T8rDqKAQ290?t=106

    Replies: @A123

    Beer Is Food — Bluegrass Brewing Company, Louisville, KY

     

     

    Also, my bacon is trying to communicate with me.

     

     

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Sean
    @A123


    EXCLUSIVE! Captured Ukrainian Soldiers Speak Out, Forced to Take Drugs To Fight | Redacted News
     
    Ukraine like WW1 there is even a Spanish Flu redux

    Case report: Ukrainian soldier riddled with extensively drug-resistant bacteria
    News brief July 6, 2023
     
    Re Beer, and bacon communicating . Very moderate amounts of beer may be beneficial and bacon is OK for it but if you are over 58 and need the utmost amount of the premier signaling molecule for brain and:- https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNzAyMTA4ODEyM15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMDM4MDE1OA@@._V1_.jpg

    [Then] canned ham is the thing because it contains a lot of sodium nitrate.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsZ_vWxI3bQ

    A bit of sun exposure helps too. If vegetarian of any age, avoid antibacterial/ fluoride mouthwash and toothpaste so you can profitably chew your spinach (of all things).
    , @Wielgus
    @A123

    Repent! Repent! But incidentally, bacon is kosher...

  182. As many cannot spend $200+ on a sword, here is a sub $30 knife review:

    I bought one.

    The proper D2 steel, micarta scales, and smooth action are wins. It is a manly fidget spinner… that I have to remember not use on camera during Zoom calls. Some of the co-workers are not Sikhs or Southerners.

    The pocket clip is a serious design weakness. There is no comfortable grip for hours of use. Solid for EDC & light jobs. Not a work knife.

    PEACE 😇

  183. @LatW
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    One of the sad/hilarious episodes in Jacques Vallee’s new journal is when the French voters rejected the EU constitution referendum.
     
    That project was probably too ambitious. Most European populations aren't really ready for that (if they will ever be). It turned into an experiment (but they must have spent a lot of money on the public debates). That was still during the period of a sort of a federalist idealism - before the schisms and some of the tougher issues became visible. Not sure they would realistically draft something like this today. Although who knows.

    But, yes, it is funny how it essentially came from a Frenchman and then was discarded by the French themselves. At least it was an exercise in democracy. :)

    Replies: @Mikel

    At least it was an exercise in democracy. 🙂

    Yes, sure. Feeling this time unable to blatantly ignore the popular votes in two countries, they just renamed the Constitution to Treaty of Lisbon and went ahead with it anyway 🙂

    Speaking of which, I don’t know why you doubt that EE nations were forced to join NATO if they wanted to join the EU. That policy was already in place 20 years earlier when Spain was also strongarmed to join NATO, contrary to what the new Spanish Government had promised to the electorate just a year prior. Another one of those exercises in democracy by shadowy forces, some of them surely across the Atlantic, that nobody has ever met, let alone voted for. But at least there was a Cold War to win then. What Western countries gained by expanding NATO towards Russia in 1999 and 2004 is totally unclear to this day. Nobody ever bothered to explain it to us plebes.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mikel


    Yes, sure. Feeling this time unable to blatantly ignore the popular votes in two countries
     
    The French vote was actually somewhat close - it wasn't close close but it wasn't an entirely blatant rejection either (55% to 45%). And the public debate process was long and took place at various levels so overall that part can be considered democratic (even if one considers information sponsored by the EU institutions as "brainwashing").

    they just renamed the Constitution to Treaty of Lisbon and went ahead with it anyway

     

    The Lisbon Treaty actually introduced some democratic items such as the co-decision procedure and gave more say to the European Parliament. And as we can see, there is ongoing debate regarding the qualified majority voting principle.

    I don’t know why you doubt that EE nations were forced to join NATO if they wanted to join the EU
     
    I wasn't "doubting" or arguing anything - I merely asked a time and location specific question (which wasn't answered).
    , @sudden death
    @Mikel


    What Western countries gained by expanding NATO towards Russia in 1999 and 2004 is totally unclear to this day. Nobody ever bothered to explain it to us plebes.
     
    The most obvious gain was no new nuclear proliferation - if there was no NATO invitations and expansion, at the very least Poland would have started its own nuclear program, maybe in covert cooperation with Ukraine even, cause RF started to be aggresive very early on towards and started tearing apart by military attacking newly independent some former occupied soviet states both covertly and openly in 1992, way before any NATO activities in former Yugoslavia or anywhere else.

    Replies: @AP, @Mikel, @LatW

  184. @LondonBob
    (((Grant Shapps))), who under a false identity wrote and sold a £400 booklet on the internet on how to run a Ponzi scheme, becomes Defence Secretary. Impotently spouts some nonsense about Ukraine in his first statement.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    I didn’t realize that Grant is a Jewish name:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_Shapps

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Mr. XYZ

    He has also gone by the names Michael Green, Corinne Stockheath and Sebastian Fox.

  185. @Mikel
    @LatW


    At least it was an exercise in democracy. 🙂
     
    Yes, sure. Feeling this time unable to blatantly ignore the popular votes in two countries, they just renamed the Constitution to Treaty of Lisbon and went ahead with it anyway :-)

    Speaking of which, I don't know why you doubt that EE nations were forced to join NATO if they wanted to join the EU. That policy was already in place 20 years earlier when Spain was also strongarmed to join NATO, contrary to what the new Spanish Government had promised to the electorate just a year prior. Another one of those exercises in democracy by shadowy forces, some of them surely across the Atlantic, that nobody has ever met, let alone voted for. But at least there was a Cold War to win then. What Western countries gained by expanding NATO towards Russia in 1999 and 2004 is totally unclear to this day. Nobody ever bothered to explain it to us plebes.

    Replies: @LatW, @sudden death

    Yes, sure. Feeling this time unable to blatantly ignore the popular votes in two countries

    The French vote was actually somewhat close – it wasn’t close close but it wasn’t an entirely blatant rejection either (55% to 45%). And the public debate process was long and took place at various levels so overall that part can be considered democratic (even if one considers information sponsored by the EU institutions as “brainwashing”).

    they just renamed the Constitution to Treaty of Lisbon and went ahead with it anyway

    The Lisbon Treaty actually introduced some democratic items such as the co-decision procedure and gave more say to the European Parliament. And as we can see, there is ongoing debate regarding the qualified majority voting principle.

    I don’t know why you doubt that EE nations were forced to join NATO if they wanted to join the EU

    I wasn’t “doubting” or arguing anything – I merely asked a time and location specific question (which wasn’t answered).

  186. @John Johnson
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    I’ve seen Mormons get angry, and act with self-assertion, in a way I rarely see with other Whites – they seem to have retained some connection to the thymotic side of life. I’ve also seen frequent acts of explicit politeness and kindness that reflect a self-conscious striving after “virtue” that stands out in the cynical wasteland of modernity.

    Yes they can be friendly until they want something from you. If you are non-Mormon then you will be subject to a different set of rules.

    The one White American community that is imperfectly assimilated to modern life but still participates in it, that has retained some vital connection to the “irrational”, seems to have avoided at least some of the worst and most advanced excesses of the dysfunctions afflicting most everyone else.

    I think you are over-idealizing them. In no way would I describe them as being in more touch with spirituality than say average Catholics.

    Their morality that they claim to be spiritual is a front. There is nothing in the Bible that says to be honest and fair until you start doing business with non-Mormons. Christianity is not supposed to "turn off" when the business day starts.

    They only participate in non-Mormon life when required.

    I was warned about doing business with them but assumed it was just mainstream Christian bigotry. Wouldn't these pro-family Mormons extend their strong morals into business and daily life? I figured they have a bad rep from Christians that are offended by their additional beliefs.

    I was wrong. I fully admit that.

    They are not simply obsessed with greed or drive for money. They actually wouldn't be that bad if they were simply materialistic. The problem is that they view non-Mormons with complete disdain and not as fellow Americans that are deserving of some basic level of business ethics.

    They view the current world as a spiritual test and the successful enter heaven to manage their own world where at most we get to be their servants. So by rejecting the Mormon faith we prove that we have utterly failed the divine calling and thus we might as well be exploited on earth and in heaven. Secular Americans don't even get to be servants. They go to hell.

    Mormon door knockers might seem friendly but they haven't reached the period where they are under pressure to have a large family and modern house which in the current economy can be difficult. The men look to cut corners in business which leads to their reputation.

    Their religion is extremely controlling and most likely dysgenic. It started out as polygamous but without a plan for what to do with the excess men. The origin story reads like an SNL sketch where a man actually tells his wife that an angel told him to take multiple wives.

    As a religion it selects for submission and ex-communicates the rebellious and independently minded. Women are not allowed to select non-Mormons and are under pressure to choose their husband early. This leads to them selecting from a limited gene pool and often for non-physical characteristics. Meaning they are not selecting the strongest or healthiest men in a mixed community. In many ways it functions like a nerd mafia. I actually don't think half the men buy into the beliefs. They like that the women are locked down and they get a lot of business connections.

    Replies: @HeavilyMarbledSteak, @AP

    Interesting. I once lived in the southwest and visited Utah frequently. Mormons made a fairly strong but positive impression:

    1. Very nice and friendly.

    2. Surprisingly cosmopolitan, due to missionary work. For example, we chatted with a family in Russian in some small town, the son had done missionary work in one of the former Soviet republics, so the entire family learned the language. And somehow they managed to learn it well enough to be conversational.

    3. Physically attractive, in a specific way. Not like Eastern Europeans, or pretty French or Italian girls. Physically fit, conservatively dressed, often blond, skillful use of makeup, at times a sort of 1950s “beauty queen” aesthetic. A marked contrast to the overweight more sloppy style often seen in non-Mormon rural America (I mean no offense). I personally prefer the appearance of European women, but the Mormon look is impressive. Sort of an ideal of the classic American type.

    4. Mormons appreciate and perpetuate solid, classical architecture styles for their temples, which as a result usually look very nice for newly-built buildings. This matches Mormons’ personal classic physical appearance.

    5. Their communities are well-run, well-organized and clean. In northern Nevada one can see a stark contrast between Mormon towns (neat little houses, neat fenced yards, clean and organized – a bit like New England though not as rich and more plain) and non-Mormon towns (more run down, organized haphazardly, brothels and bars). Mormon towns are an interesting contrast to the surrounding frontier.

    Of course, I have never had business dealings with Mormons so I can’t speak to their business practices and competition with “gentiles.” And their religion is bizarre, with very shady origins.

    The Mormon polygamists in northern Arizona were less attractive, less friendly and more suspicious. We tried talking to some of them and didn’t get far.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    I personally prefer the appearance of European women, but the Mormon look is impressive. Sort of an ideal of the classic American type.
     
    White Americans are primarily of European descent. ;)

    The Mormon polygamists in northern Arizona were less attractive, less friendly and more suspicious. We tried talking to some of them and didn’t get far.
     
    They separated from mainstream Mormonism in, what, 1890?

    BTW, here's an example of an attractive Mormon woman. Julianne Hough:

    https://www.lifeandstylemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Julianne-Hough-Bikini-Photos-%E2%80%98DWTS-Alums-Swimsuit-Moments-Rock-of-Ages-Seet-Julianne-Purple-Bikini.jpg?resize=1200%2C1200&quality=86&strip=all

    https://www.lifeandstylemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Julianne-Hough-Bikini-Photos-%E2%80%98DWTS-Alums-Swimsuit-Moments-Jlianne-Purple-Bikini.jpg?resize=1200%2C1200&quality=86&strip=all

    You forgot the biggest reason to have a positive view of the Mormons, and that is their eugenic fertility:

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2022/06/new-study-out-will-intelligent-latter-day-saints-and-smart-conservatives-inherit-the-earth/

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/dysgenics-mormons-2048x1331.png

    Had a Mormon girl in one of my high school classes 15 years ago who if I recall correctly had five older siblings. And we lived and live in a very affluent suburb.
    , @John Johnson
    @AP

    Interesting. I once lived in the southwest and visited Utah frequently. Mormons made a fairly strong but positive impression:
    ...
    Physically attractive, in a specific way. Not like Eastern Europeans, or pretty French or Italian girls. Physically fit, conservatively dressed, often blond, skillful use of makeup, at times a sort of 1950s “beauty queen” aesthetic. A marked contrast to the overweight more sloppy style often seen in non-Mormon rural America (I mean no offense).

    The women are indeed better looking than the average overweight rural woman. Mormon women tend to be in shape as their religion encourages healthy eating and exercise.

    But for the men they are selecting for submission and not bravery.

    There is no Mormon light. Anyone who questions the faith or authority can be excommunicated.

    It isn't like Judaism where a liberal Jew can marry a practicing Jew.

    Utah has a large gene pool but in the average small town the Mormons are in much smaller social circles.

    I am certain it is dysgenic in that they are selecting from a small group of men while pushing out naturally bolder personalities. Mormon men seem timid compared to regular American men and this is more noticeable compared to when I was a kid. The women have to choose from a limited pool and cannot select a strong personality from outside the group. In effect it undermines natural selection as a strong willed man that seeks out a Mormon woman is artificially blocked by the group. On some level it really is a protection racket. The timid and submissive Mormon man is all but guaranteed a wife through collusion. Submission to authority is rewarded over boldness and individualism.

    It also most likely selects against intelligence and skepticism. Mormons are known for good grades in high school but how many Whites of high intellect are pushed out and basically abandoned? Someone naturally skeptical or is inclined do their own research is less likely to stick with the faith.

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @Dmitry
    @AP


    Mormon look is impressive. Sort of an ideal of the classic American type.

     

    Mitt Romney looks more like an actor in an 1980s television drama than anyone I've seen in real life. If you saw him, you would guess he was an old Hollywood actor, who has their hair cut every morning.

    But I don't think he can be representative considering below data, as the majority of Mormon adults are overweight.

    overweight more sloppy style often seen in non-Mormon rural America
     
    It can't be true on average as Mormons have higher levels of obesity than non-Mormons, especially for women. https://www.ldsliving.com/sponsored-the-mormon-obesity-epidemic-whats-going-on/s/85383

    Studies on obesity and religious practice (including a BYU study) have shown that Utah members of the LDS Church are 34% more likely to be overweight than members of other religions. (1)

    This LDS obesity epidemic is graphically evident when you visit various Utah LDS wards you might observe that 60%+ of adults over 35 years of age are overweight

    --
    Footnotes

    (1) “BYU Study Shows Mormons Weigh More” http://www.nbcnews.com/id/11355738/ns/health-fitness/t/byu-study-finds-mormons-weigh-more

    “The Risk of Overweight and Obesity Among Latter-Day Saints” https://www.jstor.org/stable/41940819?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
     
    Also the incomes by religion of Mormons is the same as the mainline protestant.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/income-distribution/

    Mormons still have higher rates of life expectancy than average in America, I guess probably because of the strong community and removal of alcohol/drugs. https://www.demographic-research.org/volumes/vol10/3/10-3.pdf


    -

    Because of the weak public healthcare in America, life expectancy is mainly related with income though. This is probably why the secular population have generally higher life expectancy than religious populations, as it correlated with the education levels. https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/which-religion-has-the-longest-life-expectancy/

    Replies: @Dmitry, @AP

  187. @AP
    @John Johnson

    Interesting. I once lived in the southwest and visited Utah frequently. Mormons made a fairly strong but positive impression:

    1. Very nice and friendly.

    2. Surprisingly cosmopolitan, due to missionary work. For example, we chatted with a family in Russian in some small town, the son had done missionary work in one of the former Soviet republics, so the entire family learned the language. And somehow they managed to learn it well enough to be conversational.

    3. Physically attractive, in a specific way. Not like Eastern Europeans, or pretty French or Italian girls. Physically fit, conservatively dressed, often blond, skillful use of makeup, at times a sort of 1950s "beauty queen" aesthetic. A marked contrast to the overweight more sloppy style often seen in non-Mormon rural America (I mean no offense). I personally prefer the appearance of European women, but the Mormon look is impressive. Sort of an ideal of the classic American type.

    4. Mormons appreciate and perpetuate solid, classical architecture styles for their temples, which as a result usually look very nice for newly-built buildings. This matches Mormons' personal classic physical appearance.

    5. Their communities are well-run, well-organized and clean. In northern Nevada one can see a stark contrast between Mormon towns (neat little houses, neat fenced yards, clean and organized - a bit like New England though not as rich and more plain) and non-Mormon towns (more run down, organized haphazardly, brothels and bars). Mormon towns are an interesting contrast to the surrounding frontier.

    Of course, I have never had business dealings with Mormons so I can't speak to their business practices and competition with "gentiles." And their religion is bizarre, with very shady origins.

    The Mormon polygamists in northern Arizona were less attractive, less friendly and more suspicious. We tried talking to some of them and didn't get far.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson, @Dmitry

    I personally prefer the appearance of European women, but the Mormon look is impressive. Sort of an ideal of the classic American type.

    White Americans are primarily of European descent. 😉

    The Mormon polygamists in northern Arizona were less attractive, less friendly and more suspicious. We tried talking to some of them and didn’t get far.

    They separated from mainstream Mormonism in, what, 1890?

    BTW, here’s an example of an attractive Mormon woman. Julianne Hough:

    https://www.lifeandstylemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Julianne-Hough-Bikini-Photos-%E2%80%98DWTS-Alums-Swimsuit-Moments-Rock-of-Ages-Seet-Julianne-Purple-Bikini.jpg?resize=1200%2C1200&quality=86&strip=all

    https://www.lifeandstylemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Julianne-Hough-Bikini-Photos-%E2%80%98DWTS-Alums-Swimsuit-Moments-Jlianne-Purple-Bikini.jpg?resize=1200%2C1200&quality=86&strip=all

    You forgot the biggest reason to have a positive view of the Mormons, and that is their eugenic fertility:

    https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/2022/06/new-study-out-will-intelligent-latter-day-saints-and-smart-conservatives-inherit-the-earth/

    Had a Mormon girl in one of my high school classes 15 years ago who if I recall correctly had five older siblings. And we lived and live in a very affluent suburb.

  188. @AP
    @Beckow


    Which of these were forced upon and dictated to whom? Was Slovakia forced to be in NATO?

    All of them. We were told that without being in Nato we can’t be in EU. Period.
     
    Slovakia's accession treaty was signed in 2003 but it didn't become a member of NATO until 2004.

    Even if what you claimed was true, where was the coercion? Were you forced to be in the EU? You wanted to be. And so, you wanted to be in NATO, as a way of getting into the EU. There was no "force" involved.

    You have double standards when it comes to applying the term dictate...Russia having any say is a “dictat“,
     
    Russia invaded and bombed Ukraine because Ukraine did not capitulate to Russia's demands.

    Was the EU going to bomb Slovakia if Slovakia didn't join NATO or the EU?

    Are you really too stupid to notice the difference?

    And “autonomy”, according to the Russian side, meant being able to make treaties with other states (i.e., free trade with Russia) that would therefore cancel Ukraine’s ability to, say, link itself with the EU….So, no longer an independent state.

    Complete nonsense
     
    Russians themselves were quite about how autonomy (decentalization) was defined by them.

    Surkov coordinated the drafting of extra demands (published on 13 May as proposals from the DNR/LNR). These would give the occupied regions even greater powers: responsibility for legal regulation of the Ukraine/Russia border; the right to conclude agreements with foreign states; their own charters (which would, for example, prevent the president of Ukraine from dismissing local executive organs); their own budgets to ensure ‘financial autonomy’; and rights to introduce states of emergency and hold elections and referendums. Lastly, Ukraine would write a neutrality clause into its constitution

    Could Ukraine join the EU or EU AA if two of its autonomous provinces had a free trade agreement with Russia?

    The Aland Islands have autonomy in Finland and strong links to Sweden, is Finland not independent?
     
    Both of those countries are in EU so it's a stupid analogy. If all of Ukraine were part of the Eurasian Customs Union the Donbas arrangement wouldn't have mattered, either.

    You are mixing what I said: Polish peddlers doing odd jobs, selling crap to do ‘business’ and people who permanently migrate to live in other countries.
     
    You have no proof of your claim, but a record of lying all the time.

    However we do know that Polish salaries are higher than Slovak salaries and the unemployment rate is lower in Poland than in Slovakia, we also know that very few Poles actually move to Slovakia, and that relative to population far more Slovaks move to Poland than vice versa. So your claim about Poles going to Slovakia to make money is unrealistic.

    Finally, a guy who claims that Poland is a sunny paradise
     
    I never said Poland was a "sunny paradise." I said it was sunnier than most of northern Europe. Including most of Slovakia. Warsaw is sunnier than Berlin, Paris, London, Stockholm, Amsterdam, etc.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    Surkov coordinated the drafting of extra demands (published on 13 May as proposals from the DNR/LNR). These would give the occupied regions even greater powers: responsibility for legal regulation of the Ukraine/Russia border; the right to conclude agreements with foreign states; their own charters (which would, for example, prevent the president of Ukraine from dismissing local executive organs); their own budgets to ensure ‘financial autonomy’; and rights to introduce states of emergency and hold elections and referendums. Lastly, Ukraine would write a neutrality clause into its constitution

    Could Ukraine join the EU or EU AA if two of its autonomous provinces had a free trade agreement with Russia?

    Interestingly enough, based on what I read, Hitler actually tried a similar strategy with the Sudetenland back in 1938 (a Sudeten German “state within a state” within Czechoslovakia) before deciding that supporting Sudeten secession and destroying Czechoslovakia that way was apparently more optimal.

    Also, by 13 May, you mean 13 May 2022, right?

  189. @Mikel
    @LatW


    At least it was an exercise in democracy. 🙂
     
    Yes, sure. Feeling this time unable to blatantly ignore the popular votes in two countries, they just renamed the Constitution to Treaty of Lisbon and went ahead with it anyway :-)

    Speaking of which, I don't know why you doubt that EE nations were forced to join NATO if they wanted to join the EU. That policy was already in place 20 years earlier when Spain was also strongarmed to join NATO, contrary to what the new Spanish Government had promised to the electorate just a year prior. Another one of those exercises in democracy by shadowy forces, some of them surely across the Atlantic, that nobody has ever met, let alone voted for. But at least there was a Cold War to win then. What Western countries gained by expanding NATO towards Russia in 1999 and 2004 is totally unclear to this day. Nobody ever bothered to explain it to us plebes.

    Replies: @LatW, @sudden death

    What Western countries gained by expanding NATO towards Russia in 1999 and 2004 is totally unclear to this day. Nobody ever bothered to explain it to us plebes.

    The most obvious gain was no new nuclear proliferation – if there was no NATO invitations and expansion, at the very least Poland would have started its own nuclear program, maybe in covert cooperation with Ukraine even, cause RF started to be aggresive very early on towards and started tearing apart by military attacking newly independent some former occupied soviet states both covertly and openly in 1992, way before any NATO activities in former Yugoslavia or anywhere else.

    • Replies: @AP
    @sudden death

    Yes, NATO not only protects its members from attack by non-NATO members but probably limits aggressive or militant policies by NATO members.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mikel
    @sudden death


    The most obvious gain was no new nuclear proliferation
     
    LOL. Strange how nobody ever mentioned such a solid argument. I guess the West had the power to make Poland dismantle its industry and join all organizations they were told but could not have possibly prevented Warsaw from building a nuclear arsenal in order to prevent Yeltsin's plans to re-occupy Poland.

    But in fact I was a bit unfair when I said that nobody has explained what we gain by expanding NATO to the East. In the last couple of years we've all heard a lot of 'let's have Ukraine fight them there so that we don't have to fight them here'. If I was one of those convinced that Russia has all along been planning to to land its paratroopers in Utah at some point, I guess I wouldn't oppose that reasoning.


    started tearing apart by military attacking newly independent some former occupied soviet states both covertly and openly in 1992
     
    You mean Transninstria and Abkhazia? And what did the majority of people living in those territories think about suddenly belonging to a new country ruled by a different ethnic group?

    I honestly don't know what Russia did in those places (other than leaving ethnic Russian in an undefined legal limbo like they did in Donbas) but I do know that divorces, both political and matrimonial, tend to get messy and the dissolution of the USSR while keeping its old administrative borders intact was by no means the messiest one we've witnessed in recent times. Russians feeling unable in those times to ignore the interests of some of their co-ethnics in a few specific small places does not necessarily translate to imperialist designs. Unless everybody around them treat them as such and eventually make the self-fulfilling prophecy come true, of course.

    In the 90s there surely must have been was a way to avoid the calamitous return to a dangerous, pointless Cold War and Russia behaving like a naked imperialist aggressor again but it doesn't look like siding with Russian neighbors in all disputes, making them join NATO and ignoring any possible interests of ethnic Russians in the newly formed countries was the best way to achieve that goal at all.

    Replies: @LatW, @sudden death

    , @LatW
    @sudden death

    Another very significant gain for the West has been the money they've made - they took over large chunks of relatively promising markets and the ROI has been very decent.

    The banking sector in particular has done very well - and continues to have immense profits, especially with the recent high rates. Those are mostly Western banks that are connected to the US banking system.

    If it wasn't for NATO, these banks would have to share the space with all sorts of Kholomoyskies of this world, who can be pretty ruthless people, or they would have to compete with some kind of a local sector which would have possibly been built.

    Also, very cheap but highly educated workforce, especially in the mid and late 2000s. Control over important trading routes in the Baltic and Black sea.

  190. @Mr. XYZ
    @LondonBob

    I didn't realize that Grant is a Jewish name:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_Shapps

    Replies: @LondonBob

    He has also gone by the names Michael Green, Corinne Stockheath and Sebastian Fox.

  191. @sudden death
    @Mikel


    What Western countries gained by expanding NATO towards Russia in 1999 and 2004 is totally unclear to this day. Nobody ever bothered to explain it to us plebes.
     
    The most obvious gain was no new nuclear proliferation - if there was no NATO invitations and expansion, at the very least Poland would have started its own nuclear program, maybe in covert cooperation with Ukraine even, cause RF started to be aggresive very early on towards and started tearing apart by military attacking newly independent some former occupied soviet states both covertly and openly in 1992, way before any NATO activities in former Yugoslavia or anywhere else.

    Replies: @AP, @Mikel, @LatW

    Yes, NATO not only protects its members from attack by non-NATO members but probably limits aggressive or militant policies by NATO members.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Seems like a good argument in favor of having Russia join NATO, no? At least if Russia would have actually stopped engaging in some of its most outrageous things, such as killing dissidents, both at home and abroad. Would also help if Russia was more democratic and more committed to things such as freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, et cetera.

    Do you think that the West should have offered 1990s Russia or even very early Putin's Russia a roadmap to NATO membership? James Baker was open to the idea back in 2002:

    https://muse.jhu.edu/article/36660/pdf

    Though it seems that Russia was hedging its bets a bit even back in the 1990s:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Russia_relations


    With the collapse of the Soviet Union, that de facto US-China alliance ended, and a China–Russia rapprochement began. In 1992, the two countries declared that they were pursuing a "constructive partnership"; in 1996, they progressed toward a "strategic partnership"; and in 2001, they signed a treaty of "friendship and cooperation".[2]
     
    And of course there was the joint Russo-Chinese founding of the SCO in 2001.

    Though a couple of Western countries do occasionally flirt with countries outside of the Western orbit, such as Hungary and Turkey.
  192. @AP
    @John Johnson

    Interesting. I once lived in the southwest and visited Utah frequently. Mormons made a fairly strong but positive impression:

    1. Very nice and friendly.

    2. Surprisingly cosmopolitan, due to missionary work. For example, we chatted with a family in Russian in some small town, the son had done missionary work in one of the former Soviet republics, so the entire family learned the language. And somehow they managed to learn it well enough to be conversational.

    3. Physically attractive, in a specific way. Not like Eastern Europeans, or pretty French or Italian girls. Physically fit, conservatively dressed, often blond, skillful use of makeup, at times a sort of 1950s "beauty queen" aesthetic. A marked contrast to the overweight more sloppy style often seen in non-Mormon rural America (I mean no offense). I personally prefer the appearance of European women, but the Mormon look is impressive. Sort of an ideal of the classic American type.

    4. Mormons appreciate and perpetuate solid, classical architecture styles for their temples, which as a result usually look very nice for newly-built buildings. This matches Mormons' personal classic physical appearance.

    5. Their communities are well-run, well-organized and clean. In northern Nevada one can see a stark contrast between Mormon towns (neat little houses, neat fenced yards, clean and organized - a bit like New England though not as rich and more plain) and non-Mormon towns (more run down, organized haphazardly, brothels and bars). Mormon towns are an interesting contrast to the surrounding frontier.

    Of course, I have never had business dealings with Mormons so I can't speak to their business practices and competition with "gentiles." And their religion is bizarre, with very shady origins.

    The Mormon polygamists in northern Arizona were less attractive, less friendly and more suspicious. We tried talking to some of them and didn't get far.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson, @Dmitry

    Interesting. I once lived in the southwest and visited Utah frequently. Mormons made a fairly strong but positive impression:

    Physically attractive, in a specific way. Not like Eastern Europeans, or pretty French or Italian girls. Physically fit, conservatively dressed, often blond, skillful use of makeup, at times a sort of 1950s “beauty queen” aesthetic. A marked contrast to the overweight more sloppy style often seen in non-Mormon rural America (I mean no offense).

    The women are indeed better looking than the average overweight rural woman. Mormon women tend to be in shape as their religion encourages healthy eating and exercise.

    But for the men they are selecting for submission and not bravery.

    There is no Mormon light. Anyone who questions the faith or authority can be excommunicated.

    It isn’t like Judaism where a liberal Jew can marry a practicing Jew.

    Utah has a large gene pool but in the average small town the Mormons are in much smaller social circles.

    I am certain it is dysgenic in that they are selecting from a small group of men while pushing out naturally bolder personalities. Mormon men seem timid compared to regular American men and this is more noticeable compared to when I was a kid. The women have to choose from a limited pool and cannot select a strong personality from outside the group. In effect it undermines natural selection as a strong willed man that seeks out a Mormon woman is artificially blocked by the group. On some level it really is a protection racket. The timid and submissive Mormon man is all but guaranteed a wife through collusion. Submission to authority is rewarded over boldness and individualism.

    It also most likely selects against intelligence and skepticism. Mormons are known for good grades in high school but how many Whites of high intellect are pushed out and basically abandoned? Someone naturally skeptical or is inclined do their own research is less likely to stick with the faith.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    The women have to choose from a limited pool and cannot select a strong personality from outside the group.
     
    Have you considered the possibility of not having any clue of what you're speaking about and thus being at a very high risk of talking crap?

    In my limited circle of acquaintances I know from the top of my head Mormon women married to a Basque-American Catholic man, a Russian-American Jew and a recent Venezuelan refugee of undefined religious beliefs. I can't say what Utah was like in the early 20th century (though the Basque-American must have married his wife in the middle of the 20th century so cross-marriages must have been happening for a very long time) but I know what it's like right now by virtue of living here, surrounded by Mormons, and I can confidently say that you keep spouting nonsense non-stop.

    Which doesn't mean that I don't think that the Mormon religion is not fake and gay, in case you don't understand the nuance of my position. That is a separate thing.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  193. • Replies: @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Sounds legit. LOL

    Replies: @John Johnson

  194. @AP
    @Beckow


    Which of these were forced upon and dictated to whom? Was Slovakia forced to be in NATO?

    All of them. We were told that without being in Nato we can’t be in EU. Period.
     
    Slovakia's accession treaty was signed in 2003 but it didn't become a member of NATO until 2004.

    Even if what you claimed was true, where was the coercion? Were you forced to be in the EU? You wanted to be. And so, you wanted to be in NATO, as a way of getting into the EU. There was no "force" involved.

    You have double standards when it comes to applying the term dictate...Russia having any say is a “dictat“,
     
    Russia invaded and bombed Ukraine because Ukraine did not capitulate to Russia's demands.

    Was the EU going to bomb Slovakia if Slovakia didn't join NATO or the EU?

    Are you really too stupid to notice the difference?

    And “autonomy”, according to the Russian side, meant being able to make treaties with other states (i.e., free trade with Russia) that would therefore cancel Ukraine’s ability to, say, link itself with the EU….So, no longer an independent state.

    Complete nonsense
     
    Russians themselves were quite about how autonomy (decentalization) was defined by them.

    Surkov coordinated the drafting of extra demands (published on 13 May as proposals from the DNR/LNR). These would give the occupied regions even greater powers: responsibility for legal regulation of the Ukraine/Russia border; the right to conclude agreements with foreign states; their own charters (which would, for example, prevent the president of Ukraine from dismissing local executive organs); their own budgets to ensure ‘financial autonomy’; and rights to introduce states of emergency and hold elections and referendums. Lastly, Ukraine would write a neutrality clause into its constitution

    Could Ukraine join the EU or EU AA if two of its autonomous provinces had a free trade agreement with Russia?

    The Aland Islands have autonomy in Finland and strong links to Sweden, is Finland not independent?
     
    Both of those countries are in EU so it's a stupid analogy. If all of Ukraine were part of the Eurasian Customs Union the Donbas arrangement wouldn't have mattered, either.

    You are mixing what I said: Polish peddlers doing odd jobs, selling crap to do ‘business’ and people who permanently migrate to live in other countries.
     
    You have no proof of your claim, but a record of lying all the time.

    However we do know that Polish salaries are higher than Slovak salaries and the unemployment rate is lower in Poland than in Slovakia, we also know that very few Poles actually move to Slovakia, and that relative to population far more Slovaks move to Poland than vice versa. So your claim about Poles going to Slovakia to make money is unrealistic.

    Finally, a guy who claims that Poland is a sunny paradise
     
    I never said Poland was a "sunny paradise." I said it was sunnier than most of northern Europe. Including most of Slovakia. Warsaw is sunnier than Berlin, Paris, London, Stockholm, Amsterdam, etc.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Beckow

    treaty was signed in 2003 but it didn’t become a member of NATO until 2004…you wanted to be in NATO, as a way of getting into the EU. There was no “force” involved.

    You seem blissfully unaware of how it works 🙂 You are told that you can have your business only if you join a ‘security club’, is there ‘force’? It happened simultaneously, don’t play with dates. No country in EE was considered for EU without first agreeing to join Nato. If the shoe was on the other foot, I doubt you would play stupid.

    By the way, Nato bombed Serbia in 1999 to make sure the message was clear.

    Ukraine would write a neutrality clause into its constitution…Could Ukraine join the EU or EU AA if two of its autonomous provinces had a free trade agreement with Russia?

    Yes, but they had to negotiate with both sides. Ukraine had free trade with Russia since 1991. Therefore joining EU required a renegotiation with Russia: Kiev and EU refused to even discuss it hoping to use Ukraine is a backdoor to the Russian market.

    It was a simple case of connected vessels: if A is open to B, and B is open to C, then A is open to C. Russia naturally refused to go along and started to put restrictions on Ukie trade. Do you think that Russians are too stupid to protect their markets? Didn’t UK just do it with regard to Northern Ireland after leaving EU? For God’s sake, stop pretending to be so dense, this is Unz, not NY Times.

    Polish peddlers doing odd jobs, selling crap to do ‘business’…

    Haha…do you seriously deny that it is happening? Come over, we can have a drink and a good laugh as they mumble bardzo dobrze… Or we can try in the poorer parts of London. They are harmless, but definitely not “rich”…your numbers are meaningless, Poles use zlotys, nobody has any idea how much they are really worth or how to adjust the purchasing power. You are comparing apples and oranges. As always.

  195. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Actually they do, in the usual lame Scandie way…:)
     
    They do not. Whatever insinuations they very seldomly use (often only in private) - are not meant in a hostile and deeply condescending way the way that the Russian talk down on the Ukrainian. Right now it's too late anyway and it has gone to complete hell, it's over it's going to be like Armenians and Azeris or Serbs and Croats (or even worse) but I was referring to the period before the full scale war or even 2014, where it was already bad. If the intention had been to be like Scandies, that's when the issues should've been worked out. If not, separate and move on. No need to co-habit with those you despise. But Russia cannot do what Sweden did.

    The way the Scandies talk to each other is much more subdued, careful, reserved, sure the Swedes do look down on the Finns inside, but they do not show it (or maybe they have moved on at this point and no longer look down on them) - the Russians go out of their way to show their contempt for all the others. The difference is also that in some ways the Swedes are perceived as superior to Finns (at least according to standard European cultural norms or the ideal European behavior, although this is, of course, debatable - I personally don't necessarily agree with that), while Russians are not seen as superior to Ukrainians (based on EE cultural norms), no matter how much they tell themselves they are.

    Ukraine is in Eastern Europe
     
    Right, so they are allying with other Eastern Europeans. That's not even what I meant - I wasn't talking about the geopolitical or even geographic or cultural alignment but about the relationship dynamics. The relationship dynamics have to be in a good place for things to work. In those other European examples you provided, the very core relationship is resolved and at peace.

    You can’t stage a “revolution” to force others to obey you new invented identity.
     
    It's not invented but real - and this was the original mistake of the Russians to oversee that (they knew all along, just didn't want to admit it and accept it) as well as Russophile Westerners who made the same mistake (claiming Ukraine was "fake and gay").

    The reason for the war is the Ukie fanatical unwillingness to treat their fellow Russian citizens as equal, to accept that they have cultural and economic rights.
     
    Again, you choose to ignore the elephant in the room - the Russian pseudo-imperialistic tendencies. But that's your choice.

    Majority can’t disposes millions of people who want to stay who they are and import military conflict into Ukraine with Nato.
     
    Were the Germans not once expelled from their old colonial lands in Eastern Europe? Is it how things should be? No. But it is not impossible. There have been examples in the past.

    That would eventually lead to a much bigger war.
     
    Actually, it can be contained (even if that is bad, as it is, it's an enormous tragedy). Most of the world is not interested in a bigger war over these issues. The Americans are ok with prolonging the war (unfortunately), but they are not interested in expanding it into NATO territory - that is vital. China (and the so called global south) are not interested in any war at all.

    Only Russia and Ukraine would be interested in expanding the war - Russia so that they wouldn't have to lose to Ukraine, but would lose to NATO (and make NATO pay at least some for helping Ukraine), and Ukraine - to be able to attract Russia's attention to a second front and expend their resources elsewhere. Although for Ukraine that's not their main wish - their main wish is just to get all of the weapons that were promised so they can recover more territory and push the war further away from their territory.


    out of atavistic hatred of Russia
     
    It is not "atavistic" but based on every day facts from the most recent 30 years and the things that the Russian side says TODAY. If it was about some past issues, we wouldn't have a war as neither side would care enough to have a physical war. Everyone was ready to move on after 1991, except the Russian side.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Beckow

    Whatever insinuations they very seldomly use (often only in private) – are not meant in a hostile…

    You see inside Scandie souls? You are the only one, tell us how you do it… The mutual Scandie dislikes exist, they hide it better because they are dull, scared and conformist people. They have again lamely switched to hating “Russia!”, seeing Russian subs underwater – a good reflection of their fearful and indirect personalities.

    Ukies were jumping up and down in 2014 about “killing Moskali“, it was openly embraced by Maidanistas – can you find a better example of ethnic hostility? In Russia, UK…? Don’t preach.

    Were the Germans not once expelled from their old colonial lands in Eastern Europe? Is it how things should be? No. But it is not impossible. There have been examples in the past.

    The idea that you will expel millions of Russians is quite ugly and dangerous. Germany killed tens of millions in and lost the war. It is not a good analogy. That it comes to you so easily is worrisome. It is a mutual road to hell. Don’t pine for it.

    …it can be contained (even if that is bad, as it is, it’s an enormous tragedy). Most of the world is not interested in a bigger war over these issues.

    I agree. But EE has been falling. Some experience it as exhilaration, they dream of ‘others’ who are hurt more, but the falling has not slowed and it affects everyone. To contain it you need to stop the idiotic dreams about weakening Russia and expelling Russians.

    It is very simple: Ukraine needs to be neutral and has to treat its millions of Russian citizens as equal – or they allow them to secede and join Russia. Or we can fight this to the last standing Ukie or possibly go nuclear. But nobody is “marching on Moscow”, or taking Crimea and expelling 2 million people there.

    It will take some time before it sinks in, but the way it will end is a neutral rump-Ukraine with more rational leaders. Or we pretty much all perish, at least in Central-Eastern Europe.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    You see inside Scandie souls?
     
    Actually, I sometimes do, they can't always hide their emotions. :)

    Did you know that Finns, for example, can communicate using silence? I think the Japanese could be similar that way as well.

    The mutual Scandie dislikes exist
     
    Among Danes, Norwegians, Icelanders, the Faroese, and Swedes there are no dislikes whatsoever. None. I've heard in private convos some Swedes look down on Finns but this is extremely rare. I've heard a couple of Finns disliking bilingualism in private convos. But that's about it - mostly they are in agreement. Ideally, the Slavic relationships should've been the same way... I never ever hear the Danes lording it over anyone else, given their royal past and how they ruled over everyone (even during the viking ages the Danish vikings were in fact the most important ones, yet we don't hear them going out of their way to brag about it).

    they hide it better because they are dull, scared and conformist people.
     
    It is true that they do not display their thoughts as openly, so for Eastern Slavs this is an issue, because they are more direct (which I love about them!) and Scandinavians are not dull but can be quite creative at times. For example, Swedish music can be very melodic.

    Anyway, my main point which you seem to evade is that Scandinavians, even if they have their little jokes about each other, those are predominantly benign. Whereas Ukrainians and Russians are in a very different place due to having different relationship dynamics. Even before the war the Russians used to call the Ukrainians the "h" word quite commonly, it is actually extremely condescending but they throw it around both casually, and with contempt. The "h" word needs to be banned.

    If somebody in my country called, let's say, a Lithuanian by a similar name, I would smack them across the head real hard! (Figurative speech) It's just that it would never even occur to anybody to do that.

    So in this kind of environment they will need to find an arrangement how not to be in each other's faces anymore after this is over. Even with Russia being physically close by you don't need to be in close contact all the time.

    Ukies were jumping up and down in 2014 about “killing Moskali“
     
    I agree that this was in bad taste and a bit too much. Under normal circumstances, I personally wouldn't allow it in public (in the Baltic states one could be fined for that). But I'm not going to judge the Ukrainians because their circumstances are much much more complicated (then again, of course, if your circumstances are more complicated, it also merits that you are much more careful, however, we know that's not how people in large nations are).

    can you find a better example of ethnic hostility? In Russia
     
    In Russia you could find it easily. This Alex Parker guy is insane in his animalistic hatred. But I agree it is now, during war, it is absolutely horrible and sad.

    The idea that you will expel millions of Russians is quite ugly and dangerous
     
    It is. That's why starting such a huge war is also very ugly and dangerous. Extremely dangerous to both sides. They could both end up significantly reduced.

    Germany killed tens of millions in and lost the war. It is not a good analogy.
     
    It is a good analogy because the Russians at this point have killed, maimed and displaced many Ukrainians. The deed is very similar.


    That it comes to you so easily is worrisome.
     
    I hadn't thought about it before (or even thought it possible) but the recent events on the front lines show that anything is possible now. Besides, no one really knows what is going on demographically in the Donbas and in the occupied areas. Many refugees or possibly even most refugees are from the East. Many have fled to Russia, many children have been taken out by Russia. Pro-Ukrainian Donbassers have fled to the West and Center of Ukraine. So the picture has already changed dramatically. This is a huge historic event where the Donbass is basically being destroyed or significantly reduced. Many mines no longer function.

    To contain it you need to stop the idiotic dreams about weakening Russia and expelling Russians.
     
    To contain it one needs to seek a resolution, permanent peace (security) and then recovery for Ukraine.


    But nobody is “marching on Moscow"
     
    I wouldn't be so sure anymore. There is a possibility that someone such as the Legion of Free Russia, the Russian Volunteer Corps or some other nationalists of varied stripes could eventually march on Moscow. I'm not saying this will happen, but there is a small possibility of it. Besides one doesn't need to "march" these days, that drone attack on Pskov the other day was pretty significant.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @LatW
    @Beckow

    By the way, Beckow, I often think back to the NATO/EU accession process and I often contemplate this very issue of why the two could not have been separate (like in Norway's case where they had the privilege to be in NATO but not in the EU even with the separate binding treaties, of course, Norway is an Atlantic country so it is in a special place, but still..). It's understandable why it was done so, to secure power, to make sure that investments are protected, to make sure there is political control over the new countries. But also to help the new countries integrate better. I wish these things could've been thought out more carefully, but then again, this was a relatively short historic period when it took place, and one didn't want the "train to leave the station", so to speak. It was a historic opportunity.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Thulean Friend
    @Beckow


    The mutual Scandi dislikes exist
     
    It's actually amazing how much Beckow lies about the most trivial things. The guy knows nothing about Scandinavia and just word-vomits pure falsehoods.

    AP's comments about him being a pathological liar always struck me as hyperbole but I am beginning to see his point. Another funny aspect is how his lying is so dumb and low-stakes, e.g. AP calling him out on his lies pretending Poles were emigrating more to Slovakia than vice versa. He's not even smart about being a liar and gets mad when he gets caught (again and again).

    I hate to make generalised comments about entire nations, but if Beckow is representative of the average Slovak then we can rest assured that they will remain a poor shithole forever.

    Still, he has his utility. Mainly as an unwitting performance artist for our collective amusement.

    Replies: @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere, @Emil Nikola Richard, @sudden death, @Wokechoke, @Noviop Co-Prosperity Sphere

  196. @sudden death
    @Mikel


    What Western countries gained by expanding NATO towards Russia in 1999 and 2004 is totally unclear to this day. Nobody ever bothered to explain it to us plebes.
     
    The most obvious gain was no new nuclear proliferation - if there was no NATO invitations and expansion, at the very least Poland would have started its own nuclear program, maybe in covert cooperation with Ukraine even, cause RF started to be aggresive very early on towards and started tearing apart by military attacking newly independent some former occupied soviet states both covertly and openly in 1992, way before any NATO activities in former Yugoslavia or anywhere else.

    Replies: @AP, @Mikel, @LatW

    The most obvious gain was no new nuclear proliferation

    LOL. Strange how nobody ever mentioned such a solid argument. I guess the West had the power to make Poland dismantle its industry and join all organizations they were told but could not have possibly prevented Warsaw from building a nuclear arsenal in order to prevent Yeltsin’s plans to re-occupy Poland.

    But in fact I was a bit unfair when I said that nobody has explained what we gain by expanding NATO to the East. In the last couple of years we’ve all heard a lot of ‘let’s have Ukraine fight them there so that we don’t have to fight them here’. If I was one of those convinced that Russia has all along been planning to to land its paratroopers in Utah at some point, I guess I wouldn’t oppose that reasoning.

    started tearing apart by military attacking newly independent some former occupied soviet states both covertly and openly in 1992

    You mean Transninstria and Abkhazia? And what did the majority of people living in those territories think about suddenly belonging to a new country ruled by a different ethnic group?

    I honestly don’t know what Russia did in those places (other than leaving ethnic Russian in an undefined legal limbo like they did in Donbas) but I do know that divorces, both political and matrimonial, tend to get messy and the dissolution of the USSR while keeping its old administrative borders intact was by no means the messiest one we’ve witnessed in recent times. Russians feeling unable in those times to ignore the interests of some of their co-ethnics in a few specific small places does not necessarily translate to imperialist designs. Unless everybody around them treat them as such and eventually make the self-fulfilling prophecy come true, of course.

    In the 90s there surely must have been was a way to avoid the calamitous return to a dangerous, pointless Cold War and Russia behaving like a naked imperialist aggressor again but it doesn’t look like siding with Russian neighbors in all disputes, making them join NATO and ignoring any possible interests of ethnic Russians in the newly formed countries was the best way to achieve that goal at all.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mikel


    I guess the West had the power to make Poland dismantle its industry and join all organizations they were told but could not have possibly prevented Warsaw from building a nuclear arsenal in order to prevent Yeltsin’s plans to re-occupy Poland.
     
    No, Poland joined willingly because it was given security guarantees (NATO). Had those guarantees not been offered and provided, Poland would have been forced to "pull herself by the bootstraps" so to speak, and figure out its own path to security. They would've been a much more rugged country most likely.

    To be fully honest, NATO really lucked out here. NATO had turned from a defensive bloc into an almost purely political organization. Had Ukraine sided with Russia and then that Slavic bloc had decided, under the guidance of Russia, to "expel NATO from Eastern Europe"*, they could've attacked NATO's eastern flank and NATO would've been in an extremely tough position (NATO had not militarized that region). Basically Ukraine saved NATO.

    * ..and this is something they talk about a lot in the Russian media and even our former host mentioned it would be necessarily at one point to "expel NATO from the Baltics", see Putin's ultimatum to NATO in December 2021, and countless, just countless open conversations about this in the Russian media. They were seriously holding out hope that this would eventually happen and they could potentially succeed in it. Some of them still talk that way even while their military is being decimated in Southern Ukraine and drones hitting are their territory.

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @sudden death
    @Mikel

    Poland quietly managed to nurture nuclear ambitions even while being under Soviet boot, so Israel or Pakistani feat was desirable and potentially achievable if being left in a security vacuum after Cold war and having to deal with unstable and turbulent RF, while Yeltsin power was hanging by the thread both in 1993 and 1996, not even to mention his chronic alcoholism and serious cardio health problems for extended periods:


    In 1970s a group of scientists headed by Sylwester Kaliski worked on initiating nuclear fusion using high-energy lasers. The project received considerable funds as well as personal support of first secretary of the ruling Polish United Workers' Party Edward Gierek, acknowledged with the potential military purpose of such idea. The research was dropped after Kaliski was killed in car crash in 1978, of which the circumstances remain unclear.
     
    https://histmag.org/Bomba-Kaliskiego-polskie-badania-termojadrowe-15929

    In reality it was not needed so much after Cold War, because after RF army started intensively attacking Moldova in 1992 Januray/February, Poland very quickly got strong preliminary sign from the West they will not be left in such security vacuum in order to face RF alone:


    11–12 March 1992
    During a visit to Poland, NATO Secretary General Manfred Wörner said that “NATO’s door is open.”

    10 April 1992
    The first meeting of the NATO Military Committee, which was also attended by defence ministers and chiefs of staff of the countries of Central and Eastern Europe.
     

    https://www.gov.pl/web/national-defence/poland-in-nato-20-years

    Replies: @Mikhail

  197. @A123
    @Beckow


    We were told that without being in Nato we can’t be in EU. Period
     
    This has never made sense to me.

    Germany and France keep talking about building a military alternative to NATO. That goal would be strengthened by obtaining EU members who are non-NATO. Consider Türkiye, a member of NATO. They have been stuck in the EU queue for decades. This suggests that it is easier to join the EU if one is not in NATO.

    Given legitimate Russian concerns about militarization, the most likely post conflict path is the new, more compact Ukraine will join the EU only. No NATO Ever would be locked in via treaty.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Beckow

    You misunderstand it completely. France occasionally talks about EU military force as a complement to Nato – not a replacement. It is a sop to their population. French talk a lot but they are in reality complete patsies. It is only attitude. There is no such thing as Euro military.

    Turkey will never be in EU, it is just a charade to keep them in Nato. Turkey joined Nato in 1960 (?) – before the institutions were properly organized. Turkey is also strategically super-important, it is a game we play – everyone understands the rules.

    the most likely post conflict path is the new, more compact Ukraine will join the EU only.

    Possibly, if the rump leftover Ukraine is very small and has no strategic importance. But Ukraine in EU would come with huge costs for the current EU members – endless subsidies, cheap labor, impact on agriculture, etc… The Nato membership (having a knife on Russia’s throat) was supposed to compensate for it. There was also hope to access the Russian market through Ukraine. This may very well end up as a lose-lose for Ukraine, they have played their cards very badly.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Beckow

    Turkey joined in 1952. Sending a brigade to fight in Korea paved the way.

  198. @John Johnson
    @AP

    Interesting. I once lived in the southwest and visited Utah frequently. Mormons made a fairly strong but positive impression:
    ...
    Physically attractive, in a specific way. Not like Eastern Europeans, or pretty French or Italian girls. Physically fit, conservatively dressed, often blond, skillful use of makeup, at times a sort of 1950s “beauty queen” aesthetic. A marked contrast to the overweight more sloppy style often seen in non-Mormon rural America (I mean no offense).

    The women are indeed better looking than the average overweight rural woman. Mormon women tend to be in shape as their religion encourages healthy eating and exercise.

    But for the men they are selecting for submission and not bravery.

    There is no Mormon light. Anyone who questions the faith or authority can be excommunicated.

    It isn't like Judaism where a liberal Jew can marry a practicing Jew.

    Utah has a large gene pool but in the average small town the Mormons are in much smaller social circles.

    I am certain it is dysgenic in that they are selecting from a small group of men while pushing out naturally bolder personalities. Mormon men seem timid compared to regular American men and this is more noticeable compared to when I was a kid. The women have to choose from a limited pool and cannot select a strong personality from outside the group. In effect it undermines natural selection as a strong willed man that seeks out a Mormon woman is artificially blocked by the group. On some level it really is a protection racket. The timid and submissive Mormon man is all but guaranteed a wife through collusion. Submission to authority is rewarded over boldness and individualism.

    It also most likely selects against intelligence and skepticism. Mormons are known for good grades in high school but how many Whites of high intellect are pushed out and basically abandoned? Someone naturally skeptical or is inclined do their own research is less likely to stick with the faith.

    Replies: @Mikel

    The women have to choose from a limited pool and cannot select a strong personality from outside the group.

    Have you considered the possibility of not having any clue of what you’re speaking about and thus being at a very high risk of talking crap?

    In my limited circle of acquaintances I know from the top of my head Mormon women married to a Basque-American Catholic man, a Russian-American Jew and a recent Venezuelan refugee of undefined religious beliefs. I can’t say what Utah was like in the early 20th century (though the Basque-American must have married his wife in the middle of the 20th century so cross-marriages must have been happening for a very long time) but I know what it’s like right now by virtue of living here, surrounded by Mormons, and I can confidently say that you keep spouting nonsense non-stop.

    Which doesn’t mean that I don’t think that the Mormon religion is not fake and gay, in case you don’t understand the nuance of my position. That is a separate thing.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @Mikel


    The women have to choose from a limited pool and cannot select a strong personality from outside the group.
     
    Have you considered the possibility of not having any clue of what you’re speaking about and thus being at a very high risk of talking crap?

    I do know what I am talking about and can back it with data. You continue to embarrass yourself by showing that you have limited experience in America. Maybe just ask politely next time.

    Mormons can only obtain the highest status in their religion by marrying another Mormon within the temple:
    https://ldsmediatalk.com/2022/02/23/can-mormons-marry-non-mormons/

    Can Mormons marry non-Mormons in a Mormon temple?

    No. Mormons cannot marry non-members in a Mormon temple. Although they are permitted to marry their matrimony cannot take place in the same venue that two Mormons can marry.

    Marrying in a temple is incredibly important to Mormons as they believe it is the only way they and their family can be sealed in heaven together after they die.

    They cannot become gods in the afterlife if they marry a non-Mormon. You also know nothing about Mormon culture if you think they are fine with mixed marriages. A core belief is that everyone else is wrong about Mormonism and Christians are to become slaves in the afterlife.

    In most states they are less than 2% of the population:
    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/mormon-population-by-state.html#:~:text=Mormon%20Population%20By%20State%20%20%20%20Rank,%20%206.21%25%20%2047%20more%20rows%20

    That leads to limited dating pools.

    Mormonism is not only exclusive but hostile to other forms of Christianity. Shall I dig up the verse that says all Christian denominations are corrupt?

    Mormonism is not another denomination. It's a cult that was created by a known criminal and scam artist.

    Replies: @Mikel

  199. How are European Empire sanctions against Russia fairing? (1)

    Russian LNG exports to Europe surge

    as one of the world’s leading suppliers, particularly when it comes to natural gas, there aren’t enough replacements for those products available so we’ve largely had to leave them alone. As a result, not only are Russian exports failing to be dampened, they’re actually increasing and the country is on track to set an all-time record for Liquified Natural Gas exports. (Washington Examiner)

    The European Union is slated to import record amounts of Russian liquefied natural gas this year, a trend in conflict with its aim to reduce reliance on Russian fossil fuels and cut off funding for President Vladimir Putin‘s war machine.

    Spain and Belgium were ranked as the second- and third-largest buyers of Russian LNG, behind only China, according to a report from the nonprofit group Global Witness. Spain accounted for 18% of Russia’s total LNG sales in the first seven months of 2023, while Belgium accounted for 17%.

    As a whole, EU imports of the chilled Russian gas were up 40% in the first half of this year.

    The EU keeps insisting that they’re going to largely end the use of natural gas by 2027. Energy analysts have been calling that a pipe dream for a while now and this news supports that belief. If anything, most of Europe is even more dependent on natural gas, particularly LNG, than they were prior to the original Paris climate conference.

    As long as this continues, we are clearly not going to starve the Kremlin of enough money to cause unrest in the streets or force Putin to consider pulling out of the war. And even if a couple of countries can be convinced to cut off or at least reduce their LNG imports from Russia, China will just buy up all of the excess as they’ve been doing since the war began. Africa remains a large market for them as well. There simply isn’t enough global solidarity against Russia to allow these sanctions to really put the screws to Putin.

    The German Greens shutting NordStream had limited impact on Russia and delivered Germany into decline. Why do German workers tolerate these dolts?
    ___

    The oil restrictions are not working either. India buys Russian crude and then sends the refined products on to Europe.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/08/31/russian-lng-exports-to-europe-surge-n574970

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @A123

    Very proper propjunk source naming - only lots of hotair blowing and not a single relevant LNG volume number found there;) Not even to mention, there are no existing and never were any sanctions for RF natgas imports of any form, chilled or not:


    In the first half of 2023, Russian LNG exports to Europe (excluding Turkey), totaled 8.6 million tons (11.9 Bcm), down less than 1% from the same period of 2022 but up 7% versus the first half of 2021.
     
    https://www.energyintel.com/0000018a-042a-d2cb-afaa-2f3e03a70000

    So, RF exported 12 billion m3 of LNG to EU in 2023 so far while overall RF natgas exports volume loss still remains in tune of nearly 100 billion m3 (dropping 86% compared with 2021) therefore 10 billion m3 of RF LNG is just irrelevant financial drop in the bucket in such full context:


    Despite the uptick in volumes in July and August, Russia's pipeline gas exports to Europe (excluding Turkey) remain significantly lower than before the war — even though the EU has not banned or restricted such imports (unlike oil imports).

    In the first half of 2023, they totaled just 12.1 Bcm or an average of 67 MMcm/d, down 86% from 462 MMcm/d in the first half of 2021 — the year before energy markets were disrupted by Russia's invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

    Since then Russian gas gradually stopped flowing to more than 15 countries, including Gazprom's biggest prewar market Germany, which imported nothing in the first half of this year versus 28.9 Bcm (160 MMcm/d) in the first half of 2021.
     

    , @sudden death
    @A123


    The oil restrictions are not working either. India buys Russian crude and then sends the refined products on to Europe.
     
    The goal is not remove RF oil/natgas from worldmarkets completely, but to lessen the amount of RF cash inflows, which has been done succesfully since the end of 2022.

    btw, Indian buying of RF oil also has been decreasing lately:


    India’s splurge on cheap Russian crude may be over, as New Delhi’s traditional suppliers in the West Asia step back in with attractive conditions.

    “Our dependence on Russian oil is going to decrease sharply,” Oil Minister Hardeep Puri said in an interview. “The cost viability from the Gulf is much more attractive now.”

    India’s consumption of Russian crude has soared since President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine in February last year, ousting Saudi Arabia and Iraq from the top spots. From negligible levels, it soared to account for nearly half of supplies in May. However, rising prices have squeezed the discount on Russian crude and limited the attractiveness of those spot purchases, making other sources, some with term contracts, appealing once again. Moscow has also said this week it plans to extend export curbs.

    In August, imports from Russia fell for the third consecutive month to 1.57 million barrels a day, according to data-intelligence firm Kpler, down 24 per cent on the month and at the lowest since January — though Russia remains India’s top supplier. “I am very clear. We are in the market today, and we will buy from whomever,” Puri said.
     

    https://www.business-standard.com/finance/news/dependence-on-cheap-russian-crude-oil-will-fall-sharply-hardeep-puri-123090101458_1.html
  200. @A123
    @Sean

    Beer Is Food -- Bluegrass Brewing Company, Louisville, KY

     
    https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/08/4d/ec/3e/bluegrass-brewing-company.jpg
     

    Also, my bacon is trying to communicate with me.

     
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YdJsXaw6FQI/maxresdefault.jpg
     

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Sean, @Wielgus

    EXCLUSIVE! Captured Ukrainian Soldiers Speak Out, Forced to Take Drugs To Fight | Redacted News

    Ukraine like WW1 there is even a Spanish Flu redux

    Case report: Ukrainian soldier riddled with extensively drug-resistant bacteria
    News brief July 6, 2023

    Re Beer, and bacon communicating . Very moderate amounts of beer may be beneficial and bacon is OK for it but if you are over 58 and need the utmost amount of the premier signaling molecule for brain and:-

    [Then] canned ham is the thing because it contains a lot of sodium nitrate.

    A bit of sun exposure helps too. If vegetarian of any age, avoid antibacterial/ fluoride mouthwash and toothpaste so you can profitably chew your spinach (of all things).

  201. @Mikel
    @John Johnson


    The women have to choose from a limited pool and cannot select a strong personality from outside the group.
     
    Have you considered the possibility of not having any clue of what you're speaking about and thus being at a very high risk of talking crap?

    In my limited circle of acquaintances I know from the top of my head Mormon women married to a Basque-American Catholic man, a Russian-American Jew and a recent Venezuelan refugee of undefined religious beliefs. I can't say what Utah was like in the early 20th century (though the Basque-American must have married his wife in the middle of the 20th century so cross-marriages must have been happening for a very long time) but I know what it's like right now by virtue of living here, surrounded by Mormons, and I can confidently say that you keep spouting nonsense non-stop.

    Which doesn't mean that I don't think that the Mormon religion is not fake and gay, in case you don't understand the nuance of my position. That is a separate thing.

    Replies: @John Johnson

    The women have to choose from a limited pool and cannot select a strong personality from outside the group.

    Have you considered the possibility of not having any clue of what you’re speaking about and thus being at a very high risk of talking crap?

    I do know what I am talking about and can back it with data. You continue to embarrass yourself by showing that you have limited experience in America. Maybe just ask politely next time.

    Mormons can only obtain the highest status in their religion by marrying another Mormon within the temple:
    https://ldsmediatalk.com/2022/02/23/can-mormons-marry-non-mormons/

    Can Mormons marry non-Mormons in a Mormon temple?

    No. Mormons cannot marry non-members in a Mormon temple. Although they are permitted to marry their matrimony cannot take place in the same venue that two Mormons can marry.

    Marrying in a temple is incredibly important to Mormons as they believe it is the only way they and their family can be sealed in heaven together after they die.

    They cannot become gods in the afterlife if they marry a non-Mormon. You also know nothing about Mormon culture if you think they are fine with mixed marriages. A core belief is that everyone else is wrong about Mormonism and Christians are to become slaves in the afterlife.

    In most states they are less than 2% of the population:
    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/mormon-population-by-state.html#:~:text=Mormon%20Population%20By%20State%20%20%20%20Rank,%20%206.21%25%20%2047%20more%20rows%20

    That leads to limited dating pools.

    Mormonism is not only exclusive but hostile to other forms of Christianity. Shall I dig up the verse that says all Christian denominations are corrupt?

    Mormonism is not another denomination. It’s a cult that was created by a known criminal and scam artist.

    • Troll: Mikel
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @John Johnson

    This happens for not heeding my own advice, the one I gave to HMS, and trying to debate with an ignorant simpleton Easterner who seriously believes he can lecture me on my daily experience of the past decade thousands of miles away from him. Lesson learned.

  202. @John Johnson
    @Mikel


    The women have to choose from a limited pool and cannot select a strong personality from outside the group.
     
    Have you considered the possibility of not having any clue of what you’re speaking about and thus being at a very high risk of talking crap?

    I do know what I am talking about and can back it with data. You continue to embarrass yourself by showing that you have limited experience in America. Maybe just ask politely next time.

    Mormons can only obtain the highest status in their religion by marrying another Mormon within the temple:
    https://ldsmediatalk.com/2022/02/23/can-mormons-marry-non-mormons/

    Can Mormons marry non-Mormons in a Mormon temple?

    No. Mormons cannot marry non-members in a Mormon temple. Although they are permitted to marry their matrimony cannot take place in the same venue that two Mormons can marry.

    Marrying in a temple is incredibly important to Mormons as they believe it is the only way they and their family can be sealed in heaven together after they die.

    They cannot become gods in the afterlife if they marry a non-Mormon. You also know nothing about Mormon culture if you think they are fine with mixed marriages. A core belief is that everyone else is wrong about Mormonism and Christians are to become slaves in the afterlife.

    In most states they are less than 2% of the population:
    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/mormon-population-by-state.html#:~:text=Mormon%20Population%20By%20State%20%20%20%20Rank,%20%206.21%25%20%2047%20more%20rows%20

    That leads to limited dating pools.

    Mormonism is not only exclusive but hostile to other forms of Christianity. Shall I dig up the verse that says all Christian denominations are corrupt?

    Mormonism is not another denomination. It's a cult that was created by a known criminal and scam artist.

    Replies: @Mikel

    This happens for not heeding my own advice, the one I gave to HMS, and trying to debate with an ignorant simpleton Easterner who seriously believes he can lecture me on my daily experience of the past decade thousands of miles away from him. Lesson learned.

  203. @A123
    @Sean

    Beer Is Food -- Bluegrass Brewing Company, Louisville, KY

     
    https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/08/4d/ec/3e/bluegrass-brewing-company.jpg
     

    Also, my bacon is trying to communicate with me.

     
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YdJsXaw6FQI/maxresdefault.jpg
     

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Sean, @Wielgus

    Repent! Repent! But incidentally, bacon is kosher…

  204. @Beckow
    @A123

    You misunderstand it completely. France occasionally talks about EU military force as a complement to Nato - not a replacement. It is a sop to their population. French talk a lot but they are in reality complete patsies. It is only attitude. There is no such thing as Euro military.

    Turkey will never be in EU, it is just a charade to keep them in Nato. Turkey joined Nato in 1960 (?) - before the institutions were properly organized. Turkey is also strategically super-important, it is a game we play - everyone understands the rules.


    the most likely post conflict path is the new, more compact Ukraine will join the EU only.
     
    Possibly, if the rump leftover Ukraine is very small and has no strategic importance. But Ukraine in EU would come with huge costs for the current EU members - endless subsidies, cheap labor, impact on agriculture, etc... The Nato membership (having a knife on Russia's throat) was supposed to compensate for it. There was also hope to access the Russian market through Ukraine. This may very well end up as a lose-lose for Ukraine, they have played their cards very badly.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    Turkey joined in 1952. Sending a brigade to fight in Korea paved the way.

  205. @Beckow
    @LatW


    Whatever insinuations they very seldomly use (often only in private) – are not meant in a hostile...
     
    You see inside Scandie souls? You are the only one, tell us how you do it... The mutual Scandie dislikes exist, they hide it better because they are dull, scared and conformist people. They have again lamely switched to hating "Russia!", seeing Russian subs underwater - a good reflection of their fearful and indirect personalities.

    Ukies were jumping up and down in 2014 about "killing Moskali", it was openly embraced by Maidanistas - can you find a better example of ethnic hostility? In Russia, UK...? Don't preach.


    Were the Germans not once expelled from their old colonial lands in Eastern Europe? Is it how things should be? No. But it is not impossible. There have been examples in the past.
     
    The idea that you will expel millions of Russians is quite ugly and dangerous. Germany killed tens of millions in and lost the war. It is not a good analogy. That it comes to you so easily is worrisome. It is a mutual road to hell. Don't pine for it.

    ...it can be contained (even if that is bad, as it is, it’s an enormous tragedy). Most of the world is not interested in a bigger war over these issues.
     
    I agree. But EE has been falling. Some experience it as exhilaration, they dream of 'others' who are hurt more, but the falling has not slowed and it affects everyone. To contain it you need to stop the idiotic dreams about weakening Russia and expelling Russians.

    It is very simple: Ukraine needs to be neutral and has to treat its millions of Russian citizens as equal - or they allow them to secede and join Russia. Or we can fight this to the last standing Ukie or possibly go nuclear. But nobody is "marching on Moscow", or taking Crimea and expelling 2 million people there.

    It will take some time before it sinks in, but the way it will end is a neutral rump-Ukraine with more rational leaders. Or we pretty much all perish, at least in Central-Eastern Europe.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW, @Thulean Friend

    You see inside Scandie souls?

    Actually, I sometimes do, they can’t always hide their emotions. 🙂

    Did you know that Finns, for example, can communicate using silence? I think the Japanese could be similar that way as well.

    The mutual Scandie dislikes exist

    Among Danes, Norwegians, Icelanders, the Faroese, and Swedes there are no dislikes whatsoever. None. I’ve heard in private convos some Swedes look down on Finns but this is extremely rare. I’ve heard a couple of Finns disliking bilingualism in private convos. But that’s about it – mostly they are in agreement. Ideally, the Slavic relationships should’ve been the same way… I never ever hear the Danes lording it over anyone else, given their royal past and how they ruled over everyone (even during the viking ages the Danish vikings were in fact the most important ones, yet we don’t hear them going out of their way to brag about it).

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    they hide it better because they are dull, scared and conformist people.

    It is true that they do not display their thoughts as openly, so for Eastern Slavs this is an issue, because they are more direct (which I love about them!) and Scandinavians are not dull but can be quite creative at times. For example, Swedish music can be very melodic.

    Anyway, my main point which you seem to evade is that Scandinavians, even if they have their little jokes about each other, those are predominantly benign. Whereas Ukrainians and Russians are in a very different place due to having different relationship dynamics. Even before the war the Russians used to call the Ukrainians the “h” word quite commonly, it is actually extremely condescending but they throw it around both casually, and with contempt. The “h” word needs to be banned.

    If somebody in my country called, let’s say, a Lithuanian by a similar name, I would smack them across the head real hard! (Figurative speech) It’s just that it would never even occur to anybody to do that.

    So in this kind of environment they will need to find an arrangement how not to be in each other’s faces anymore after this is over. Even with Russia being physically close by you don’t need to be in close contact all the time.

    Ukies were jumping up and down in 2014 about “killing Moskali“

    I agree that this was in bad taste and a bit too much. Under normal circumstances, I personally wouldn’t allow it in public (in the Baltic states one could be fined for that). But I’m not going to judge the Ukrainians because their circumstances are much much more complicated (then again, of course, if your circumstances are more complicated, it also merits that you are much more careful, however, we know that’s not how people in large nations are).

    can you find a better example of ethnic hostility? In Russia

    In Russia you could find it easily. This Alex Parker guy is insane in his animalistic hatred. But I agree it is now, during war, it is absolutely horrible and sad.

    The idea that you will expel millions of Russians is quite ugly and dangerous

    It is. That’s why starting such a huge war is also very ugly and dangerous. Extremely dangerous to both sides. They could both end up significantly reduced.

    Germany killed tens of millions in and lost the war. It is not a good analogy.

    It is a good analogy because the Russians at this point have killed, maimed and displaced many Ukrainians. The deed is very similar.

    That it comes to you so easily is worrisome.

    I hadn’t thought about it before (or even thought it possible) but the recent events on the front lines show that anything is possible now. Besides, no one really knows what is going on demographically in the Donbas and in the occupied areas. Many refugees or possibly even most refugees are from the East. Many have fled to Russia, many children have been taken out by Russia. Pro-Ukrainian Donbassers have fled to the West and Center of Ukraine. So the picture has already changed dramatically. This is a huge historic event where the Donbass is basically being destroyed or significantly reduced. Many mines no longer function.

    To contain it you need to stop the idiotic dreams about weakening Russia and expelling Russians.

    To contain it one needs to seek a resolution, permanent peace (security) and then recovery for Ukraine.

    But nobody is “marching on Moscow”

    I wouldn’t be so sure anymore. There is a possibility that someone such as the Legion of Free Russia, the Russian Volunteer Corps or some other nationalists of varied stripes could eventually march on Moscow. I’m not saying this will happen, but there is a small possibility of it. Besides one doesn’t need to “march” these days, that drone attack on Pskov the other day was pretty significant.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...Did you know that Finns, for example, can communicate using silence?
     
    Especially when they are piss-drunk.

    I appreciate your description of the Scandie culture - and yet, having known them well, their core characteristic is a form of predictable conformism. They respect rules to live by given to them. It makes for good societies, but they are damn boring. Predictable, as if they didn't really exist, following predetermined roles and holding approved views. (There are thankfully exceptions..)

    Others are not like that, good and bad. So? Russians-Ukies abuse each other, but their emotions are fleeting, one day they kill, next day they feast together. The verbal abuse is mutual - it started in a big way by the Ukies on Maidan - blaming only Russians is oddly unfair. In wars people drop to a more basic level, hatreds are easy, almost necessary. It never lasts.


    one needs to seek a resolution, permanent peace (security) and then recovery for Ukraine.
     
    The Ukies will not find resolution in the war. They provoked it and now they are paying a horrible price. It has been completely irrational how they have acted now for almost a decade: Nato? kill Russians? - what the f..k are they thinking? That the West will come in to rescue them? This is a bloody cargo cult on steroids....

    I wouldn’t be so sure anymore. There is a possibility that someone...could eventually march on Moscow. I’m not saying this will happen, but there is a small possibility of it.
     
    Sure. There is also a possibility that the Pope will convert to Buddhism. But nobody is putting money on it. More likely many Ukies will die needlessly only for Kiev to eventually make peace - in 2024-25 -that assures Ukraine's neutrality and cedes Russian majority regions to Russia - with Russia deciding where they are. A much worse deal than Minsk. Is it worth it?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @LatW

  206. @Mikel
    @sudden death


    The most obvious gain was no new nuclear proliferation
     
    LOL. Strange how nobody ever mentioned such a solid argument. I guess the West had the power to make Poland dismantle its industry and join all organizations they were told but could not have possibly prevented Warsaw from building a nuclear arsenal in order to prevent Yeltsin's plans to re-occupy Poland.

    But in fact I was a bit unfair when I said that nobody has explained what we gain by expanding NATO to the East. In the last couple of years we've all heard a lot of 'let's have Ukraine fight them there so that we don't have to fight them here'. If I was one of those convinced that Russia has all along been planning to to land its paratroopers in Utah at some point, I guess I wouldn't oppose that reasoning.


    started tearing apart by military attacking newly independent some former occupied soviet states both covertly and openly in 1992
     
    You mean Transninstria and Abkhazia? And what did the majority of people living in those territories think about suddenly belonging to a new country ruled by a different ethnic group?

    I honestly don't know what Russia did in those places (other than leaving ethnic Russian in an undefined legal limbo like they did in Donbas) but I do know that divorces, both political and matrimonial, tend to get messy and the dissolution of the USSR while keeping its old administrative borders intact was by no means the messiest one we've witnessed in recent times. Russians feeling unable in those times to ignore the interests of some of their co-ethnics in a few specific small places does not necessarily translate to imperialist designs. Unless everybody around them treat them as such and eventually make the self-fulfilling prophecy come true, of course.

    In the 90s there surely must have been was a way to avoid the calamitous return to a dangerous, pointless Cold War and Russia behaving like a naked imperialist aggressor again but it doesn't look like siding with Russian neighbors in all disputes, making them join NATO and ignoring any possible interests of ethnic Russians in the newly formed countries was the best way to achieve that goal at all.

    Replies: @LatW, @sudden death

    I guess the West had the power to make Poland dismantle its industry and join all organizations they were told but could not have possibly prevented Warsaw from building a nuclear arsenal in order to prevent Yeltsin’s plans to re-occupy Poland.

    No, Poland joined willingly because it was given security guarantees (NATO). Had those guarantees not been offered and provided, Poland would have been forced to “pull herself by the bootstraps” so to speak, and figure out its own path to security. They would’ve been a much more rugged country most likely.

    To be fully honest, NATO really lucked out here. NATO had turned from a defensive bloc into an almost purely political organization. Had Ukraine sided with Russia and then that Slavic bloc had decided, under the guidance of Russia, to “expel NATO from Eastern Europe”*, they could’ve attacked NATO’s eastern flank and NATO would’ve been in an extremely tough position (NATO had not militarized that region). Basically Ukraine saved NATO.

    * ..and this is something they talk about a lot in the Russian media and even our former host mentioned it would be necessarily at one point to “expel NATO from the Baltics”, see Putin’s ultimatum to NATO in December 2021, and countless, just countless open conversations about this in the Russian media. They were seriously holding out hope that this would eventually happen and they could potentially succeed in it. Some of them still talk that way even while their military is being decimated in Southern Ukraine and drones hitting are their territory.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @LatW


    they could’ve attacked NATO’s eastern flank and NATO would’ve been in an extremely tough position (NATO had not militarized that region). Basically Ukraine saved NATO.
     
    LOL. Everybody seems to be in a joking mood today. First Polish nukes, then Mormons making their neighbors eternal slaves and now Russia and Ukraine attacking NATO from the East. With what? Martyanov's wonder weapons and tactics?

    I've actually just returned from Poland. I spent several days there for a large family gathering two weeks ago and it was quite remarkable how the country has changed externally in a positive way but I also found some of the same attitudes of the 90s unchanged. A Ukrainian uber driver told me that he wasn't very happy in Poland but people continue being very cordial and friendly with English-speaking tourists, sometimes extremely so.

    I've known Poland and Poles since the early 90s and I don't think there is any mystery in understanding what the vast majority of them thought and why they behaved the way they did all these years. They just wanted to leave behind their Russian-imposed Communist past as fast as they could, sever all ties with that part of the world and become a "normal" country by joining every Western association they were invited to. That's all. In fact, this aspiration of "normalcy" was funny and I could relate to it very well because I remembered the very same sentiment in Spain in the 80s. In the Anglo countries a politician promising to build just a normal country would be laughed at but in post-dictatorship societies normalcy may become a national obsession.

    In the same way, understanding the attitudes of the majority of Eastern Europeans after the Russian invasion of Ukraine is not too difficult. The old bully of the neighborhood finally attacked another neighbor, is receiving a good thrashing with the help of the Western shinny weapons and everybody is excited to join in the thrashing of the bully while seeing all their old fears vindicated.

    OK, I get that. But perhaps it shouldn't be so difficult to show some reciprocity and understand the position of those Westerners who are not so enthusiastic about these old animosities in EE having ended in a devastating war, want to de-escalate before it engulfs us all and criticize the policies of our leaders that led to this idiotic outcome. I don't think we're saying anything so bizarre. Btw, I personally don't need to be taught anything about big, imperialistic neighbors living in their old glories with little to offer in the present, subjugating you by sheer force and imposing their culture on your countrymen. As an old Polish woman once told me (speaking about the Russians), you can choose who you marry nut not who your neighbor is. We've all experienced that, one way or another, but perhaps there's no need to make our neighborhood issues everybody's problem?

    PS- Are you sure that Danes and Swedes don't have any animosity whatsoever? That's not what I heard from some of them: https://scandinaviafacts.com/danes-swedes-hate-each-other/

    Replies: @Wielgus

  207. @Beckow
    @LatW


    Whatever insinuations they very seldomly use (often only in private) – are not meant in a hostile...
     
    You see inside Scandie souls? You are the only one, tell us how you do it... The mutual Scandie dislikes exist, they hide it better because they are dull, scared and conformist people. They have again lamely switched to hating "Russia!", seeing Russian subs underwater - a good reflection of their fearful and indirect personalities.

    Ukies were jumping up and down in 2014 about "killing Moskali", it was openly embraced by Maidanistas - can you find a better example of ethnic hostility? In Russia, UK...? Don't preach.


    Were the Germans not once expelled from their old colonial lands in Eastern Europe? Is it how things should be? No. But it is not impossible. There have been examples in the past.
     
    The idea that you will expel millions of Russians is quite ugly and dangerous. Germany killed tens of millions in and lost the war. It is not a good analogy. That it comes to you so easily is worrisome. It is a mutual road to hell. Don't pine for it.

    ...it can be contained (even if that is bad, as it is, it’s an enormous tragedy). Most of the world is not interested in a bigger war over these issues.
     
    I agree. But EE has been falling. Some experience it as exhilaration, they dream of 'others' who are hurt more, but the falling has not slowed and it affects everyone. To contain it you need to stop the idiotic dreams about weakening Russia and expelling Russians.

    It is very simple: Ukraine needs to be neutral and has to treat its millions of Russian citizens as equal - or they allow them to secede and join Russia. Or we can fight this to the last standing Ukie or possibly go nuclear. But nobody is "marching on Moscow", or taking Crimea and expelling 2 million people there.

    It will take some time before it sinks in, but the way it will end is a neutral rump-Ukraine with more rational leaders. Or we pretty much all perish, at least in Central-Eastern Europe.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW, @Thulean Friend

    By the way, Beckow, I often think back to the NATO/EU accession process and I often contemplate this very issue of why the two could not have been separate (like in Norway’s case where they had the privilege to be in NATO but not in the EU even with the separate binding treaties, of course, Norway is an Atlantic country so it is in a special place, but still..). It’s understandable why it was done so, to secure power, to make sure that investments are protected, to make sure there is political control over the new countries. But also to help the new countries integrate better. I wish these things could’ve been thought out more carefully, but then again, this was a relatively short historic period when it took place, and one didn’t want the “train to leave the station”, so to speak. It was a historic opportunity.

    • Replies: @A123
    @LatW


    I often think back to the NATO/EU accession process and I often contemplate this very issue of why the two could not have been separate
    ...
    I wish these things could’ve been thought out more carefully, but then again, this was a relatively short historic period when it took place
     
    There is no obligation to keep repeating the same mistakes. Going forward, there is no reason to believe the two are linked anymore.

    Expanding NATO further is incredibly perilous and unattractive. Adding Georgia or even Moldova would likely start a full out thermonuclear WW III. There is a decent chance that Sweden & Finland will be the last new NATO members ever. Russia and/or Israel joining are entertaining ideas. However, too unlikely for serious consideration.

    Expanding the EU is much less threatening. It has to be done with care to avoid blowing up existing commerce. That being said, having a richer neighbor is generally good for bilateral trade. They can buy more of your goods & services.

    The barriers to adding new EU members are mostly internal. Periphery nations wisely refuse to water down national vetoes. They see this tool as essential, non-negotiable protection from Brussels over reach. Will France and Germany allow new potential vetoers to join the EU?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Beckow
    @LatW


    It’s understandable why it was done so, to secure power, to make sure that investments are protected, to make sure there is political control over the new countries.
     
    You are getting warmer - it was not a random process left to chance: each step was scripted. The long term plan was to consolidate control over Europe with Nato, create uniform militaries purchasing arms from the US, then use the juggernaut to corner Russia. Nato's sole purpose is to fight Russia, offensively or defensively, all else is marginal noise.

    It eventually got us to the war. The war was in a way inevitable once Nato decided that it would be better to surround Russia, put it in a box, and maybe wait for the next internal Russian instability to pounce and finish it off. And to get the Russian goodies...We know the script.

    Now they have the war they wanted. But they also have to win it - and the hapless Ukies are coming up short. Will they escalate and send in the Poles and Romanians? Will they walk away? It was badly thought through, it depended on the Russian forbearance and staying put - once Russia moved to grab Crimea it was obvious that was wrong bet. You never, ever, turn over your success to the enemy - but in effect that is what Nato did.

    Now they are stuck hoping for a miracle. Not a good place to be, but it is just Ukie lives for them - the West can alway walk away and pretend that it was the damn 'nationalists' in Kiev who screwed up. Don't worry, if needed they will quickly find them in Ukraine and "Bandera" will be all over the Western media.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @LatW

    AFAIK, NATO and EU were generally joined simultaneously due to popular demand. Where this popular demand didn't exist, such as in Ireland, Sweden, and Finland, there was EU membership without simultaneous NATO membership (until the current Ukraine war, in the case of the last two countries mentioned here).

    I suspect that Ukraine would have likely followed Sweden's and Finland's trajectory after 2014 had it not been for Russia taking Ukrainian territory starting from that year. Ukraine actually did say shortly after Maidan that it was not seeking to join NATO:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-ukraine-crisis-nato/pm-tells-ukrainians-no-nato-membership-armed-groups-to-disarm-idUKBREA2H0DO20140318

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2014/03/18/ukrainian-prime-minister-says-no-nato-membership-armed-groups-to-disarm-a33097

    But Russia was not convinced and invaded in 2014, which caused the Ukrainian government to change its mind about this issue.

  208. @A123
    How are European Empire sanctions against Russia fairing? (1)

    Russian LNG exports to Europe surge

     

    as one of the world’s leading suppliers, particularly when it comes to natural gas, there aren’t enough replacements for those products available so we’ve largely had to leave them alone. As a result, not only are Russian exports failing to be dampened, they’re actually increasing and the country is on track to set an all-time record for Liquified Natural Gas exports. (Washington Examiner)

    The European Union is slated to import record amounts of Russian liquefied natural gas this year, a trend in conflict with its aim to reduce reliance on Russian fossil fuels and cut off funding for President Vladimir Putin‘s war machine.

    Spain and Belgium were ranked as the second- and third-largest buyers of Russian LNG, behind only China, according to a report from the nonprofit group Global Witness. Spain accounted for 18% of Russia’s total LNG sales in the first seven months of 2023, while Belgium accounted for 17%.

    As a whole, EU imports of the chilled Russian gas were up 40% in the first half of this year.
     
    The EU keeps insisting that they’re going to largely end the use of natural gas by 2027. Energy analysts have been calling that a pipe dream for a while now and this news supports that belief. If anything, most of Europe is even more dependent on natural gas, particularly LNG, than they were prior to the original Paris climate conference.

    As long as this continues, we are clearly not going to starve the Kremlin of enough money to cause unrest in the streets or force Putin to consider pulling out of the war. And even if a couple of countries can be convinced to cut off or at least reduce their LNG imports from Russia, China will just buy up all of the excess as they’ve been doing since the war began. Africa remains a large market for them as well. There simply isn’t enough global solidarity against Russia to allow these sanctions to really put the screws to Putin.
     
    The German Greens shutting NordStream had limited impact on Russia and delivered Germany into decline. Why do German workers tolerate these dolts?
    ___

    The oil restrictions are not working either. India buys Russian crude and then sends the refined products on to Europe.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://hotair.com/jazz-shaw/2023/08/31/russian-lng-exports-to-europe-surge-n574970

    Replies: @sudden death, @sudden death

    Very proper propjunk source naming – only lots of hotair blowing and not a single relevant LNG volume number found there;) Not even to mention, there are no existing and never were any sanctions for RF natgas imports of any form, chilled or not:

    In the first half of 2023, Russian LNG exports to Europe (excluding Turkey), totaled 8.6 million tons (11.9 Bcm), down less than 1% from the same period of 2022 but up 7% versus the first half of 2021.

    https://www.energyintel.com/0000018a-042a-d2cb-afaa-2f3e03a70000

    So, RF exported 12 billion m3 of LNG to EU in 2023 so far while overall RF natgas exports volume loss still remains in tune of nearly 100 billion m3 (dropping 86% compared with 2021) therefore 10 billion m3 of RF LNG is just irrelevant financial drop in the bucket in such full context:

    Despite the uptick in volumes in July and August, Russia’s pipeline gas exports to Europe (excluding Turkey) remain significantly lower than before the war — even though the EU has not banned or restricted such imports (unlike oil imports).

    In the first half of 2023, they totaled just 12.1 Bcm or an average of 67 MMcm/d, down 86% from 462 MMcm/d in the first half of 2021 — the year before energy markets were disrupted by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

    Since then Russian gas gradually stopped flowing to more than 15 countries, including Gazprom’s biggest prewar market Germany, which imported nothing in the first half of this year versus 28.9 Bcm (160 MMcm/d) in the first half of 2021.

  209. @sudden death
    @Mikel


    What Western countries gained by expanding NATO towards Russia in 1999 and 2004 is totally unclear to this day. Nobody ever bothered to explain it to us plebes.
     
    The most obvious gain was no new nuclear proliferation - if there was no NATO invitations and expansion, at the very least Poland would have started its own nuclear program, maybe in covert cooperation with Ukraine even, cause RF started to be aggresive very early on towards and started tearing apart by military attacking newly independent some former occupied soviet states both covertly and openly in 1992, way before any NATO activities in former Yugoslavia or anywhere else.

    Replies: @AP, @Mikel, @LatW

    Another very significant gain for the West has been the money they’ve made – they took over large chunks of relatively promising markets and the ROI has been very decent.

    The banking sector in particular has done very well – and continues to have immense profits, especially with the recent high rates. Those are mostly Western banks that are connected to the US banking system.

    If it wasn’t for NATO, these banks would have to share the space with all sorts of Kholomoyskies of this world, who can be pretty ruthless people, or they would have to compete with some kind of a local sector which would have possibly been built.

    Also, very cheap but highly educated workforce, especially in the mid and late 2000s. Control over important trading routes in the Baltic and Black sea.

  210. @LatW
    @Beckow

    By the way, Beckow, I often think back to the NATO/EU accession process and I often contemplate this very issue of why the two could not have been separate (like in Norway's case where they had the privilege to be in NATO but not in the EU even with the separate binding treaties, of course, Norway is an Atlantic country so it is in a special place, but still..). It's understandable why it was done so, to secure power, to make sure that investments are protected, to make sure there is political control over the new countries. But also to help the new countries integrate better. I wish these things could've been thought out more carefully, but then again, this was a relatively short historic period when it took place, and one didn't want the "train to leave the station", so to speak. It was a historic opportunity.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    I often think back to the NATO/EU accession process and I often contemplate this very issue of why the two could not have been separate

    I wish these things could’ve been thought out more carefully, but then again, this was a relatively short historic period when it took place

    There is no obligation to keep repeating the same mistakes. Going forward, there is no reason to believe the two are linked anymore.

    Expanding NATO further is incredibly perilous and unattractive. Adding Georgia or even Moldova would likely start a full out thermonuclear WW III. There is a decent chance that Sweden & Finland will be the last new NATO members ever. Russia and/or Israel joining are entertaining ideas. However, too unlikely for serious consideration.

    Expanding the EU is much less threatening. It has to be done with care to avoid blowing up existing commerce. That being said, having a richer neighbor is generally good for bilateral trade. They can buy more of your goods & services.

    The barriers to adding new EU members are mostly internal. Periphery nations wisely refuse to water down national vetoes. They see this tool as essential, non-negotiable protection from Brussels over reach. Will France and Germany allow new potential vetoers to join the EU?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @LatW
    @A123

    Actually, I was thinking more about the local economies and their readiness to join a market with much stronger enterprises in the West. I wish the local economies had become stronger before they were ready to join. It may have been less appealing to the West at that point (more protectionism of local businesses), but probably still appealing enough to integrate the market.

    Replies: @A123

  211. @A123
    @LatW


    I often think back to the NATO/EU accession process and I often contemplate this very issue of why the two could not have been separate
    ...
    I wish these things could’ve been thought out more carefully, but then again, this was a relatively short historic period when it took place
     
    There is no obligation to keep repeating the same mistakes. Going forward, there is no reason to believe the two are linked anymore.

    Expanding NATO further is incredibly perilous and unattractive. Adding Georgia or even Moldova would likely start a full out thermonuclear WW III. There is a decent chance that Sweden & Finland will be the last new NATO members ever. Russia and/or Israel joining are entertaining ideas. However, too unlikely for serious consideration.

    Expanding the EU is much less threatening. It has to be done with care to avoid blowing up existing commerce. That being said, having a richer neighbor is generally good for bilateral trade. They can buy more of your goods & services.

    The barriers to adding new EU members are mostly internal. Periphery nations wisely refuse to water down national vetoes. They see this tool as essential, non-negotiable protection from Brussels over reach. Will France and Germany allow new potential vetoers to join the EU?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @LatW

    Actually, I was thinking more about the local economies and their readiness to join a market with much stronger enterprises in the West. I wish the local economies had become stronger before they were ready to join. It may have been less appealing to the West at that point (more protectionism of local businesses), but probably still appealing enough to integrate the market.

    • Replies: @A123
    @LatW

    The #1 thing that has to happen before any future EU expansion is ending the concept of total labour mobility. It is bad for both:

    • Donor countries -- Due to brain drain and lack of family formation
    • Receiving countries -- Undercutting the jobs & wages of local citizens

    If labour cannot move, that would force private industry dollars to the new joiners in addition to EU development grants. Building relationships with local businesses as suppliers would be essential for commerce.

    PEACE 😇

  212. @Mikel
    @sudden death


    The most obvious gain was no new nuclear proliferation
     
    LOL. Strange how nobody ever mentioned such a solid argument. I guess the West had the power to make Poland dismantle its industry and join all organizations they were told but could not have possibly prevented Warsaw from building a nuclear arsenal in order to prevent Yeltsin's plans to re-occupy Poland.

    But in fact I was a bit unfair when I said that nobody has explained what we gain by expanding NATO to the East. In the last couple of years we've all heard a lot of 'let's have Ukraine fight them there so that we don't have to fight them here'. If I was one of those convinced that Russia has all along been planning to to land its paratroopers in Utah at some point, I guess I wouldn't oppose that reasoning.


    started tearing apart by military attacking newly independent some former occupied soviet states both covertly and openly in 1992
     
    You mean Transninstria and Abkhazia? And what did the majority of people living in those territories think about suddenly belonging to a new country ruled by a different ethnic group?

    I honestly don't know what Russia did in those places (other than leaving ethnic Russian in an undefined legal limbo like they did in Donbas) but I do know that divorces, both political and matrimonial, tend to get messy and the dissolution of the USSR while keeping its old administrative borders intact was by no means the messiest one we've witnessed in recent times. Russians feeling unable in those times to ignore the interests of some of their co-ethnics in a few specific small places does not necessarily translate to imperialist designs. Unless everybody around them treat them as such and eventually make the self-fulfilling prophecy come true, of course.

    In the 90s there surely must have been was a way to avoid the calamitous return to a dangerous, pointless Cold War and Russia behaving like a naked imperialist aggressor again but it doesn't look like siding with Russian neighbors in all disputes, making them join NATO and ignoring any possible interests of ethnic Russians in the newly formed countries was the best way to achieve that goal at all.

    Replies: @LatW, @sudden death

    Poland quietly managed to nurture nuclear ambitions even while being under Soviet boot, so Israel or Pakistani feat was desirable and potentially achievable if being left in a security vacuum after Cold war and having to deal with unstable and turbulent RF, while Yeltsin power was hanging by the thread both in 1993 and 1996, not even to mention his chronic alcoholism and serious cardio health problems for extended periods:

    In 1970s a group of scientists headed by Sylwester Kaliski worked on initiating nuclear fusion using high-energy lasers. The project received considerable funds as well as personal support of first secretary of the ruling Polish United Workers’ Party Edward Gierek, acknowledged with the potential military purpose of such idea. The research was dropped after Kaliski was killed in car crash in 1978, of which the circumstances remain unclear.

    https://histmag.org/Bomba-Kaliskiego-polskie-badania-termojadrowe-15929

    In reality it was not needed so much after Cold War, because after RF army started intensively attacking Moldova in 1992 Januray/February, Poland very quickly got strong preliminary sign from the West they will not be left in such security vacuum in order to face RF alone:

    11–12 March 1992
    During a visit to Poland, NATO Secretary General Manfred Wörner said that “NATO’s door is open.”

    10 April 1992
    The first meeting of the NATO Military Committee, which was also attended by defence ministers and chiefs of staff of the countries of Central and Eastern Europe.

    https://www.gov.pl/web/national-defence/poland-in-nato-20-years

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @sudden death


    In reality it was not needed so much after Cold War, because after RF army started intensively attacking Moldova in 1992 Januray/February,
     
    Nationalists from Moldova attacked Pridnestrovie where Russian forces were still stationed. No one asked Moldova to become a part of the USSR. No one asked Pridnestrovie to become a part of Moldova after the Soviet collapse. Putting Pridnestrovie into the Soviet created Moldavian SSR wasn't too big a deal at the time since both were at the time part of the same centralized entity.

    Like Crimea, Pridnestrovie is a clear majority pro-Russian majority.
  213. @sudden death
    @Mikel

    Poland quietly managed to nurture nuclear ambitions even while being under Soviet boot, so Israel or Pakistani feat was desirable and potentially achievable if being left in a security vacuum after Cold war and having to deal with unstable and turbulent RF, while Yeltsin power was hanging by the thread both in 1993 and 1996, not even to mention his chronic alcoholism and serious cardio health problems for extended periods:


    In 1970s a group of scientists headed by Sylwester Kaliski worked on initiating nuclear fusion using high-energy lasers. The project received considerable funds as well as personal support of first secretary of the ruling Polish United Workers' Party Edward Gierek, acknowledged with the potential military purpose of such idea. The research was dropped after Kaliski was killed in car crash in 1978, of which the circumstances remain unclear.
     
    https://histmag.org/Bomba-Kaliskiego-polskie-badania-termojadrowe-15929

    In reality it was not needed so much after Cold War, because after RF army started intensively attacking Moldova in 1992 Januray/February, Poland very quickly got strong preliminary sign from the West they will not be left in such security vacuum in order to face RF alone:


    11–12 March 1992
    During a visit to Poland, NATO Secretary General Manfred Wörner said that “NATO’s door is open.”

    10 April 1992
    The first meeting of the NATO Military Committee, which was also attended by defence ministers and chiefs of staff of the countries of Central and Eastern Europe.
     

    https://www.gov.pl/web/national-defence/poland-in-nato-20-years

    Replies: @Mikhail

    In reality it was not needed so much after Cold War, because after RF army started intensively attacking Moldova in 1992 Januray/February,

    Nationalists from Moldova attacked Pridnestrovie where Russian forces were still stationed. No one asked Moldova to become a part of the USSR. No one asked Pridnestrovie to become a part of Moldova after the Soviet collapse. Putting Pridnestrovie into the Soviet created Moldavian SSR wasn’t too big a deal at the time since both were at the time part of the same centralized entity.

    Like Crimea, Pridnestrovie is a clear majority pro-Russian majority.

  214. Never realized this before, but at the time of the Haitian Revolution, it is estimated that most of the slaves there had been born in Africa, and a few were pointy-toothed cannibals.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    The life expectancy of a sugar cane slave was abysmal. The importing of fresh slaves by the (Jewish) traders was huge and perpetual. Those poor people were worked to death. : (

    Have you read about Elijah Muhammed's alien visitation?

    Replies: @songbird

  215. @LatW
    @Beckow


    You see inside Scandie souls?
     
    Actually, I sometimes do, they can't always hide their emotions. :)

    Did you know that Finns, for example, can communicate using silence? I think the Japanese could be similar that way as well.

    The mutual Scandie dislikes exist
     
    Among Danes, Norwegians, Icelanders, the Faroese, and Swedes there are no dislikes whatsoever. None. I've heard in private convos some Swedes look down on Finns but this is extremely rare. I've heard a couple of Finns disliking bilingualism in private convos. But that's about it - mostly they are in agreement. Ideally, the Slavic relationships should've been the same way... I never ever hear the Danes lording it over anyone else, given their royal past and how they ruled over everyone (even during the viking ages the Danish vikings were in fact the most important ones, yet we don't hear them going out of their way to brag about it).

    they hide it better because they are dull, scared and conformist people.
     
    It is true that they do not display their thoughts as openly, so for Eastern Slavs this is an issue, because they are more direct (which I love about them!) and Scandinavians are not dull but can be quite creative at times. For example, Swedish music can be very melodic.

    Anyway, my main point which you seem to evade is that Scandinavians, even if they have their little jokes about each other, those are predominantly benign. Whereas Ukrainians and Russians are in a very different place due to having different relationship dynamics. Even before the war the Russians used to call the Ukrainians the "h" word quite commonly, it is actually extremely condescending but they throw it around both casually, and with contempt. The "h" word needs to be banned.

    If somebody in my country called, let's say, a Lithuanian by a similar name, I would smack them across the head real hard! (Figurative speech) It's just that it would never even occur to anybody to do that.

    So in this kind of environment they will need to find an arrangement how not to be in each other's faces anymore after this is over. Even with Russia being physically close by you don't need to be in close contact all the time.

    Ukies were jumping up and down in 2014 about “killing Moskali“
     
    I agree that this was in bad taste and a bit too much. Under normal circumstances, I personally wouldn't allow it in public (in the Baltic states one could be fined for that). But I'm not going to judge the Ukrainians because their circumstances are much much more complicated (then again, of course, if your circumstances are more complicated, it also merits that you are much more careful, however, we know that's not how people in large nations are).

    can you find a better example of ethnic hostility? In Russia
     
    In Russia you could find it easily. This Alex Parker guy is insane in his animalistic hatred. But I agree it is now, during war, it is absolutely horrible and sad.

    The idea that you will expel millions of Russians is quite ugly and dangerous
     
    It is. That's why starting such a huge war is also very ugly and dangerous. Extremely dangerous to both sides. They could both end up significantly reduced.

    Germany killed tens of millions in and lost the war. It is not a good analogy.
     
    It is a good analogy because the Russians at this point have killed, maimed and displaced many Ukrainians. The deed is very similar.


    That it comes to you so easily is worrisome.
     
    I hadn't thought about it before (or even thought it possible) but the recent events on the front lines show that anything is possible now. Besides, no one really knows what is going on demographically in the Donbas and in the occupied areas. Many refugees or possibly even most refugees are from the East. Many have fled to Russia, many children have been taken out by Russia. Pro-Ukrainian Donbassers have fled to the West and Center of Ukraine. So the picture has already changed dramatically. This is a huge historic event where the Donbass is basically being destroyed or significantly reduced. Many mines no longer function.

    To contain it you need to stop the idiotic dreams about weakening Russia and expelling Russians.
     
    To contain it one needs to seek a resolution, permanent peace (security) and then recovery for Ukraine.


    But nobody is “marching on Moscow"
     
    I wouldn't be so sure anymore. There is a possibility that someone such as the Legion of Free Russia, the Russian Volunteer Corps or some other nationalists of varied stripes could eventually march on Moscow. I'm not saying this will happen, but there is a small possibility of it. Besides one doesn't need to "march" these days, that drone attack on Pskov the other day was pretty significant.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Did you know that Finns, for example, can communicate using silence?

    Especially when they are piss-drunk.

    I appreciate your description of the Scandie culture – and yet, having known them well, their core characteristic is a form of predictable conformism. They respect rules to live by given to them. It makes for good societies, but they are damn boring. Predictable, as if they didn’t really exist, following predetermined roles and holding approved views. (There are thankfully exceptions..)

    Others are not like that, good and bad. So? Russians-Ukies abuse each other, but their emotions are fleeting, one day they kill, next day they feast together. The verbal abuse is mutual – it started in a big way by the Ukies on Maidan – blaming only Russians is oddly unfair. In wars people drop to a more basic level, hatreds are easy, almost necessary. It never lasts.

    one needs to seek a resolution, permanent peace (security) and then recovery for Ukraine.

    The Ukies will not find resolution in the war. They provoked it and now they are paying a horrible price. It has been completely irrational how they have acted now for almost a decade: Nato? kill Russians? – what the f..k are they thinking? That the West will come in to rescue them? This is a bloody cargo cult on steroids….

    I wouldn’t be so sure anymore. There is a possibility that someone…could eventually march on Moscow. I’m not saying this will happen, but there is a small possibility of it.

    Sure. There is also a possibility that the Pope will convert to Buddhism. But nobody is putting money on it. More likely many Ukies will die needlessly only for Kiev to eventually make peace – in 2024-25 -that assures Ukraine’s neutrality and cedes Russian majority regions to Russia – with Russia deciding where they are. A much worse deal than Minsk. Is it worth it?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Beckow


    Sure. There is also a possibility that the Pope will convert to Buddhism. But nobody is putting money on it. More likely many Ukies will die needlessly only for Kiev to eventually make peace – in 2024-25 -that assures Ukraine’s neutrality and cedes Russian majority regions to Russia – with Russia deciding where they are. A much worse deal than Minsk. Is it worth it?
     
    Ukraine won't agree to any neutrality that at a bare minimum would forfeit Ukraine's EU aspirations. Even in exchanging for giving up the possibility of Ukrainian NATO membership, Ukraine and the West would both need to get something big, Ukraine from the West and/or Russia (a return to its 2013 territory?) and the West from Russia (HUGE Russian cooperation against China).

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @LatW
    @Beckow


    It makes for good societies, but they are damn boring.
     
    Look, I know them well, too, and, yes, they can be a little boring sometimes, but they more than make up for that with their looks (so - not boring in the end, haha!). Also, Scandinavia can be interesting and even captivating if one has niche interests (viking metal, majestic mountains, whales, Arctic animals).

    Predictable, as if they didn’t really exist, following predetermined roles and holding approved views.

     

    Well, this goes together with the ruggedly beautiful and serene Northern landscape - there is predictability and permanence, the eternal peace of vast, snow clad lands, emptiness, silence, loneliness... It's good to have such peoples with such solid and rugged character, in a world that's filled with spontaneous diversity.

    Russians-Ukies abuse each other, but their emotions are fleeting, one day they kill, next day they feast together.
     
    This is partly true, but their situation is much more complex than for other E.European states, then again, this is quite heavy - they are killing their kids and mocking it (there was a Christmas photo of a very beautiful little girl that was killed (I think recently in Chernihiv) and the Russians posted laugh emojis and such). You sound very casual and dismissive about this. Even if at some point, some of the Ukrainians will begin associating with the Russians, for most of them this fracture will be real and long term. Do not trivialize their suffering. Most of all - to dismiss this as a factor is foolish.

    The verbal abuse is mutual
     
    Yes, unfortunately, and it was there already before Maidan. It started getting somewhat bad around mid 2000s. Overall, things started getting worse in 2007 (when Putin decided to "raise Russia from her knees", Munich speech, increased propaganda, etc).

    It is of utmost importance to not be lax about verbal abuse - it is very toxic. Not only there should be no verbal abuse, there should be no thought of it. The very thought of it should be repulsive and off-putting. For neighboring nations that want to cultivate peace.


    But nobody is putting money on it.
     
    No, I'm not putting money on it either (re: the Legion's march on Moscow). Only hopes. The numbers are small, even though they growing, albeit very slow. But I have a nagging feeling about it, there is something permanent and strong about this resistance. Also something idealistic. Maybe this time the FSB will not decide everything? Who knows.


    [re: NATO enlargement] [..] it was not a random process left to chance: each step was scripted. The long term plan was to consolidate control over Europe with Nato, create uniform militaries purchasing arms from the US, then use the juggernaut to corner Russia. Nato’s sole purpose is to fight Russia, offensively or defensively, all else is marginal noise.
     
    There were many elements at play at that time, not some "evil design", as you seem to imply: the historic process of the European re-unification, the dominant role of the US in the 1990s, the fact that a security vacuum will always get filled either way, especially in that neighborhood, I mean, it's not an Australian desert (no offense), but a geopolitically sensitive and vital area, the striving of the EE and CE populations to experience political freedoms and build wealth, the desire for the unified Germany to have long term stability in its vicinity, maybe some foolishness, weakness of the EEs, naivety, lack of financial education (except for a few select types), the striving of the political elites to make quick careers by relatively simple means, the spreading of strange, exotic - essentially inapplicable to real life - ideologies (such as libertarianism, which was a thing back in the 90s). Maybe even poverty of many post-Warsaw pact EEs. Many factors.

    To build our own security system such as the Intermarium would have required economic strength. There was no immediately available capital to make the factories competitive. It could've been done with better leadership but it wasn't there. I think the fact that a lot of dissidents were cleared out and sent into exile or left, made a difference, too.

    Also, right around that time China took up our niche for cheap labor and low production costs. Even if you did remodel the factories and somehow found the capital to reinvigorate them, make them competitive, you would still be competing with China. Not saying it couldn't have worked, but it would have been a huge factor. The whole of the US off-shored to China. The EEs couldn't work as cheaply and as much, yet they couldn't raise productivity fast enough. I don't know, it might be different in Slovakia and especially in the Czech Rep, but even there the Germans took over most of it as far as I'm aware.

    Nato’s sole purpose is to fight Russia, offensively or defensively, all else is marginal noise.
     
    NATO's purpose is to deter Russia and fight it only if necessary (the very last resort). In that sense, NATO was / is defensive, however, they did take advantage of the security vacuum. In hindsight, it would've been stupid not to. NATO can co-exist with Russia and even China, it's only the perennial question of boundaries...

    And to get the Russian goodies…We know the script.
     
    They could've gotten a lot of the goodies even without war. Eurasia is rich, but it's not like the Western hemisphere is poor. And, speaking of the goodies, if we assume that they belong to the Russian people, then the current oligarchy is no less unfair than dominance by some transnationals. Only the national democracy would've solved this (the narodovlastie - the rule by people) and laid the ground for the creation of a globally competitive productive sector in Russia.

    No, they were already selling a lot of the goodies, they simply needed to observe the unwritten consensus of the 1991. But for them 1991 is a national tragedy (or a "catastrophe" or whatever Putin called it). It's like their Trianon or worse. So now he wants Kenig and Crimea. And Ukraine. That's a lot!

    You never, ever, turn over your success to the enemy – but in effect that is what Nato did.
     
    This is a good point (which, by the way, applies to Russia, too - they could've just lived with Crimea and the occupied areas of Donbas, that should've been plenty). But the issue is that it's not just about NATO - the fundamental problem of the Russian opposition to the Ukrainian subjectivity would still be there even without NATO, these regional wars were fought for centuries.

    Replies: @S, @Beckow, @Emil Nikola Richard

  216. @songbird
    Never realized this before, but at the time of the Haitian Revolution, it is estimated that most of the slaves there had been born in Africa, and a few were pointy-toothed cannibals.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The life expectancy of a sugar cane slave was abysmal. The importing of fresh slaves by the (Jewish) traders was huge and perpetual. Those poor people were worked to death. : (

    Have you read about Elijah Muhammed’s alien visitation?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    The life expectancy of a sugar cane slave was abysmal.
     
    They certainly weren't very fertile compared to American slaves. Though I would speculate that the number of smuggled imports to America, after the Atlantic trade was banned, might be significantly underestimated.

    I wonder how it would have compared to Africa at the time. Presumably, it was a similar environment in terms of tropical diseases.

    Have you read about Elijah Muhammed’s alien visitation?
     
    Not in depth. I'd be interested but can't find the source.

    I recently watched Close Encounters of the Third Kind and thought it was a very strange movie. (I wonder whether Dmitry has seen it).
  217. @LatW
    @Mikel


    I guess the West had the power to make Poland dismantle its industry and join all organizations they were told but could not have possibly prevented Warsaw from building a nuclear arsenal in order to prevent Yeltsin’s plans to re-occupy Poland.
     
    No, Poland joined willingly because it was given security guarantees (NATO). Had those guarantees not been offered and provided, Poland would have been forced to "pull herself by the bootstraps" so to speak, and figure out its own path to security. They would've been a much more rugged country most likely.

    To be fully honest, NATO really lucked out here. NATO had turned from a defensive bloc into an almost purely political organization. Had Ukraine sided with Russia and then that Slavic bloc had decided, under the guidance of Russia, to "expel NATO from Eastern Europe"*, they could've attacked NATO's eastern flank and NATO would've been in an extremely tough position (NATO had not militarized that region). Basically Ukraine saved NATO.

    * ..and this is something they talk about a lot in the Russian media and even our former host mentioned it would be necessarily at one point to "expel NATO from the Baltics", see Putin's ultimatum to NATO in December 2021, and countless, just countless open conversations about this in the Russian media. They were seriously holding out hope that this would eventually happen and they could potentially succeed in it. Some of them still talk that way even while their military is being decimated in Southern Ukraine and drones hitting are their territory.

    Replies: @Mikel

    they could’ve attacked NATO’s eastern flank and NATO would’ve been in an extremely tough position (NATO had not militarized that region). Basically Ukraine saved NATO.

    LOL. Everybody seems to be in a joking mood today. First Polish nukes, then Mormons making their neighbors eternal slaves and now Russia and Ukraine attacking NATO from the East. With what? Martyanov’s wonder weapons and tactics?

    I’ve actually just returned from Poland. I spent several days there for a large family gathering two weeks ago and it was quite remarkable how the country has changed externally in a positive way but I also found some of the same attitudes of the 90s unchanged. A Ukrainian uber driver told me that he wasn’t very happy in Poland but people continue being very cordial and friendly with English-speaking tourists, sometimes extremely so.

    I’ve known Poland and Poles since the early 90s and I don’t think there is any mystery in understanding what the vast majority of them thought and why they behaved the way they did all these years. They just wanted to leave behind their Russian-imposed Communist past as fast as they could, sever all ties with that part of the world and become a “normal” country by joining every Western association they were invited to. That’s all. In fact, this aspiration of “normalcy” was funny and I could relate to it very well because I remembered the very same sentiment in Spain in the 80s. In the Anglo countries a politician promising to build just a normal country would be laughed at but in post-dictatorship societies normalcy may become a national obsession.

    In the same way, understanding the attitudes of the majority of Eastern Europeans after the Russian invasion of Ukraine is not too difficult. The old bully of the neighborhood finally attacked another neighbor, is receiving a good thrashing with the help of the Western shinny weapons and everybody is excited to join in the thrashing of the bully while seeing all their old fears vindicated.

    OK, I get that. But perhaps it shouldn’t be so difficult to show some reciprocity and understand the position of those Westerners who are not so enthusiastic about these old animosities in EE having ended in a devastating war, want to de-escalate before it engulfs us all and criticize the policies of our leaders that led to this idiotic outcome. I don’t think we’re saying anything so bizarre. Btw, I personally don’t need to be taught anything about big, imperialistic neighbors living in their old glories with little to offer in the present, subjugating you by sheer force and imposing their culture on your countrymen. As an old Polish woman once told me (speaking about the Russians), you can choose who you marry nut not who your neighbor is. We’ve all experienced that, one way or another, but perhaps there’s no need to make our neighborhood issues everybody’s problem?

    PS- Are you sure that Danes and Swedes don’t have any animosity whatsoever? That’s not what I heard from some of them: https://scandinaviafacts.com/danes-swedes-hate-each-other/

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Mikel

    Kieslowski's film Three Colours White (1994) has one character rejoicing that "we've joined Europe!" It seems to be symbolised by his using neon in a sign advertising his hairdresser's shop.
    The film is in places a rather acerbic picture of 1990s Poland. The main character is smuggled back there and is beaten up by gangsters. He peers at a large rubbish dump covered in seagulls and mutters, "Home!"

  218. @LatW
    @A123

    Actually, I was thinking more about the local economies and their readiness to join a market with much stronger enterprises in the West. I wish the local economies had become stronger before they were ready to join. It may have been less appealing to the West at that point (more protectionism of local businesses), but probably still appealing enough to integrate the market.

    Replies: @A123

    The #1 thing that has to happen before any future EU expansion is ending the concept of total labour mobility. It is bad for both:

    • Donor countries — Due to brain drain and lack of family formation
    • Receiving countries — Undercutting the jobs & wages of local citizens

    If labour cannot move, that would force private industry dollars to the new joiners in addition to EU development grants. Building relationships with local businesses as suppliers would be essential for commerce.

    PEACE 😇

  219. @AP
    @John Johnson

    Interesting. I once lived in the southwest and visited Utah frequently. Mormons made a fairly strong but positive impression:

    1. Very nice and friendly.

    2. Surprisingly cosmopolitan, due to missionary work. For example, we chatted with a family in Russian in some small town, the son had done missionary work in one of the former Soviet republics, so the entire family learned the language. And somehow they managed to learn it well enough to be conversational.

    3. Physically attractive, in a specific way. Not like Eastern Europeans, or pretty French or Italian girls. Physically fit, conservatively dressed, often blond, skillful use of makeup, at times a sort of 1950s "beauty queen" aesthetic. A marked contrast to the overweight more sloppy style often seen in non-Mormon rural America (I mean no offense). I personally prefer the appearance of European women, but the Mormon look is impressive. Sort of an ideal of the classic American type.

    4. Mormons appreciate and perpetuate solid, classical architecture styles for their temples, which as a result usually look very nice for newly-built buildings. This matches Mormons' personal classic physical appearance.

    5. Their communities are well-run, well-organized and clean. In northern Nevada one can see a stark contrast between Mormon towns (neat little houses, neat fenced yards, clean and organized - a bit like New England though not as rich and more plain) and non-Mormon towns (more run down, organized haphazardly, brothels and bars). Mormon towns are an interesting contrast to the surrounding frontier.

    Of course, I have never had business dealings with Mormons so I can't speak to their business practices and competition with "gentiles." And their religion is bizarre, with very shady origins.

    The Mormon polygamists in northern Arizona were less attractive, less friendly and more suspicious. We tried talking to some of them and didn't get far.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @John Johnson, @Dmitry

    Mormon look is impressive. Sort of an ideal of the classic American type.

    Mitt Romney looks more like an actor in an 1980s television drama than anyone I’ve seen in real life. If you saw him, you would guess he was an old Hollywood actor, who has their hair cut every morning.

    But I don’t think he can be representative considering below data, as the majority of Mormon adults are overweight.

    overweight more sloppy style often seen in non-Mormon rural America

    It can’t be true on average as Mormons have higher levels of obesity than non-Mormons, especially for women. https://www.ldsliving.com/sponsored-the-mormon-obesity-epidemic-whats-going-on/s/85383

    Studies on obesity and religious practice (including a BYU study) have shown that Utah members of the LDS Church are 34% more likely to be overweight than members of other religions. (1)

    This LDS obesity epidemic is graphically evident when you visit various Utah LDS wards you might observe that 60%+ of adults over 35 years of age are overweight


    Footnotes

    (1) “BYU Study Shows Mormons Weigh More” http://www.nbcnews.com/id/11355738/ns/health-fitness/t/byu-study-finds-mormons-weigh-more

    “The Risk of Overweight and Obesity Among Latter-Day Saints” https://www.jstor.org/stable/41940819?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

    Also the incomes by religion of Mormons is the same as the mainline protestant.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/income-distribution/

    Mormons still have higher rates of life expectancy than average in America, I guess probably because of the strong community and removal of alcohol/drugs. https://www.demographic-research.org/volumes/vol10/3/10-3.pdf

    Because of the weak public healthcare in America, life expectancy is mainly related with income though. This is probably why the secular population have generally higher life expectancy than religious populations, as it correlated with the education levels. https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/which-religion-has-the-longest-life-expectancy/

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    Because of the weak public healthcare in America, life expectancy is mainly related with income though. This is probably why the secular population have generally higher life expectancy than religious populations, as it correlated with the education levels. https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/which-religion-has-the-longest-life-expectancy/
     
    Edit. A mistake in my comment, as the source is looking at international comparison though so it doesn't match with this paragraph I wrote. Within America, "unaffiliated" has lower life expectancy.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3035005/


    -

    In terms of income, although unaffiliated is not exactly the same as secular. The atheist and agnostic group has one of the higher incomes as correlates with education, except a few unusual religions (Episcopal church/Jewish) or which were significantly filtered in the H-1B visa program (Hindu).
    https://i.imgur.com/Ww4OFQY.jpg


    So, the Mormons and Seventh-Day Adventists are unusual as their life expectancy is higher, even while the income is average (Mormon) or below (Seventh-Day Adventist).

    Also, Mormons have significantly higher life expectancy than average in America, though they have US average or high BMI, while Seventh-Day Adventists have lower BMI.

    Probably sadly, removing cigarettes, alcohol and coffee creates a healthier population.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @AP
    @Dmitry


    Mormon look is impressive. Sort of an ideal of the classic American type.

    Mitt Romney looks more like an actor in an 1980s television drama than anyone I’ve seen in real life. If you saw him, you would guess he was an old Hollywood actor, who has their hair cut every morning
     
    .

    There are many like that, among Mormons. A Utah governor, Jon Huntsman, with his wife:

    https://thehill.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/06/huntsmanmarykaye_huntsmanjon_06182020getty.jpg

    They have 5 biological children, and adopted 2 children.

    overweight more sloppy style often seen in non-Mormon rural America

    It can’t be true on average as Mormons have higher levels of obesity than non-Mormons, especially for women. https://www.ldsliving.com/sponsored-the-mormon-obesity-epidemic-whats-going-on/s/85383
     
    This is surprising and goes against mine (and others') experiences, but I can't argue against the data.

    I wonder if the non-Mormons in Utah are mostly not rural farmers but people like Mikel, who have moved to Utah for the purpose of hiking a lot in the spectacular nature. If such super-athletic people are heavily over-represented among non-Mormons in Utah, that might explain it.

    Utah in general has one of the lowest obesity rates in the country:

    https://i.insider.com/56006a16bd86ef15008bbdee?width=1136&format=jpeg

    Lower than all of its neighbors other than Colorado, 4th lowest in the USA.

    Also the incomes by religion of Mormons is the same as the mainline protestant.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/income-distribution/
     
    Mainline Protestants are the richest of America's mainstream Christians.

    Because of the weak public healthcare in America, life expectancy is mainly related with income though. This is probably why the secular population have generally higher life expectancy than religious populations, as it correlated with the education levels. https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/which-religion-has-the-longest-life-expectancy/
     
    You'd have to account for race to get an accurate estimate. Most Blacks are Christians (typically, Protestants) and they drive life expectancy down.

    Here this is accounted for:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3035005/

    Jews live longest of all. But both mainline Protestants and Catholics live longer than those with no religion. Who live longer than Evangelical Christians and Black Protestants.

    Also, the relationship between religion and income is not linear. The richest attend church the least, but the next group attend church the most, and more often than the 2 poorer groups:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/compare/attendance-at-religious-services/by/income-distribution/

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. XYZ

  220. @LatW
    @Beckow

    By the way, Beckow, I often think back to the NATO/EU accession process and I often contemplate this very issue of why the two could not have been separate (like in Norway's case where they had the privilege to be in NATO but not in the EU even with the separate binding treaties, of course, Norway is an Atlantic country so it is in a special place, but still..). It's understandable why it was done so, to secure power, to make sure that investments are protected, to make sure there is political control over the new countries. But also to help the new countries integrate better. I wish these things could've been thought out more carefully, but then again, this was a relatively short historic period when it took place, and one didn't want the "train to leave the station", so to speak. It was a historic opportunity.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

    It’s understandable why it was done so, to secure power, to make sure that investments are protected, to make sure there is political control over the new countries.

    You are getting warmer – it was not a random process left to chance: each step was scripted. The long term plan was to consolidate control over Europe with Nato, create uniform militaries purchasing arms from the US, then use the juggernaut to corner Russia. Nato’s sole purpose is to fight Russia, offensively or defensively, all else is marginal noise.

    It eventually got us to the war. The war was in a way inevitable once Nato decided that it would be better to surround Russia, put it in a box, and maybe wait for the next internal Russian instability to pounce and finish it off. And to get the Russian goodies…We know the script.

    Now they have the war they wanted. But they also have to win it – and the hapless Ukies are coming up short. Will they escalate and send in the Poles and Romanians? Will they walk away? It was badly thought through, it depended on the Russian forbearance and staying put – once Russia moved to grab Crimea it was obvious that was wrong bet. You never, ever, turn over your success to the enemy – but in effect that is what Nato did.

    Now they are stuck hoping for a miracle. Not a good place to be, but it is just Ukie lives for them – the West can alway walk away and pretend that it was the damn ‘nationalists’ in Kiev who screwed up. Don’t worry, if needed they will quickly find them in Ukraine and “Bandera” will be all over the Western media.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    But they also have to win it – and the hapless Ukies are coming up short.
     
    Someone like you writing in July 1943 would say that the hapless Soviets were coming up short, because the Germans still controlled Kiev, Belgorod, and Kharkiv (which they had retaken in March of that year).

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. XYZ

  221. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Interesting, until recently Sweden’s population have been a lot more physically healthy than the population in Finland in terms of life expectancy.
     
    This is generally what I was alluding to - not the economic or even past imperial factors. Swedish habits and behaviors have traditionally been more aligned with the contemporary European ideal (even though this is probably a stereotype and maybe not entirely fair to the Finns who have historically had it more rough than Swedes). Although they both have an overall well balanced demeanor.

    The Swedes used to have better health metrics although Finns are very healthy and robust as well, the Swedes tend to be a little bit more refined (which traditionally Finns consider a bit effeminate).

    Either way, these differences seem to be fading out (while they continue to maintain their distinct ethnic cultures and even phenotypes). My point was more about how two nations that used to be in a colonial relationship have been able to move on, especially the respective "bigger brother" nation in that relationship.

    This is why pointing to them as an example for certain Eastern Slavs is not all that accurate or even applicable (even if it were desirable).

    Replies: @LatW, @Dmitry

    Swedes used to have better health metrics

    In Western Europe, in general Northern countries are less healthy than the Southern countries in terms of life expectancy.

    Countries with the longest life expectancy in the world include South-West Europe, Japan and South Korea.

    But there is exception with Sweden/Norway/Iceland, who are competitive with Southern Europe, while in Northern Europe.

    Although Denmark is in the more typical Northern European level.

    although Finns are very healthy and robust as well

    In the 20th century, Finland had the highest heart disease in the world. In Karelia, the highest rate of heart disease in Finland.

    But they responded like a developed country and reformed the lifestyle. You can see how they attained this. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6062761/ They reduced the heart disease mortality by almost seven times in some regions between 1972 and 2011.

    “Coronary mortality, especially among middle age men, was extremely high across Finland (about 500/100,000) and in North Karelia, the most eastern province of the country, 700 / 100,000.”

    “This is the highest ever measured coronary mortality in any population in the world. Local people in North Karelia had become accustomed to young men dying from heart attacks at the age of 40 and 50.”

  222. @Dmitry
    @AP


    Mormon look is impressive. Sort of an ideal of the classic American type.

     

    Mitt Romney looks more like an actor in an 1980s television drama than anyone I've seen in real life. If you saw him, you would guess he was an old Hollywood actor, who has their hair cut every morning.

    But I don't think he can be representative considering below data, as the majority of Mormon adults are overweight.

    overweight more sloppy style often seen in non-Mormon rural America
     
    It can't be true on average as Mormons have higher levels of obesity than non-Mormons, especially for women. https://www.ldsliving.com/sponsored-the-mormon-obesity-epidemic-whats-going-on/s/85383

    Studies on obesity and religious practice (including a BYU study) have shown that Utah members of the LDS Church are 34% more likely to be overweight than members of other religions. (1)

    This LDS obesity epidemic is graphically evident when you visit various Utah LDS wards you might observe that 60%+ of adults over 35 years of age are overweight

    --
    Footnotes

    (1) “BYU Study Shows Mormons Weigh More” http://www.nbcnews.com/id/11355738/ns/health-fitness/t/byu-study-finds-mormons-weigh-more

    “The Risk of Overweight and Obesity Among Latter-Day Saints” https://www.jstor.org/stable/41940819?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
     
    Also the incomes by religion of Mormons is the same as the mainline protestant.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/income-distribution/

    Mormons still have higher rates of life expectancy than average in America, I guess probably because of the strong community and removal of alcohol/drugs. https://www.demographic-research.org/volumes/vol10/3/10-3.pdf


    -

    Because of the weak public healthcare in America, life expectancy is mainly related with income though. This is probably why the secular population have generally higher life expectancy than religious populations, as it correlated with the education levels. https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/which-religion-has-the-longest-life-expectancy/

    Replies: @Dmitry, @AP

    Because of the weak public healthcare in America, life expectancy is mainly related with income though. This is probably why the secular population have generally higher life expectancy than religious populations, as it correlated with the education levels. https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/which-religion-has-the-longest-life-expectancy/

    Edit. A mistake in my comment, as the source is looking at international comparison though so it doesn’t match with this paragraph I wrote. Within America, “unaffiliated” has lower life expectancy.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3035005/

    In terms of income, although unaffiliated is not exactly the same as secular. The atheist and agnostic group has one of the higher incomes as correlates with education, except a few unusual religions (Episcopal church/Jewish) or which were significantly filtered in the H-1B visa program (Hindu).

    So, the Mormons and Seventh-Day Adventists are unusual as their life expectancy is higher, even while the income is average (Mormon) or below (Seventh-Day Adventist).

    Also, Mormons have significantly higher life expectancy than average in America, though they have US average or high BMI, while Seventh-Day Adventists have lower BMI.

    Probably sadly, removing cigarettes, alcohol and coffee creates a healthier population.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Dmitry

    FWIW, Indians in the UK are also high-earners, but nowhere near as much of an outlier as in the US:

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nri/nris-in-news/indians-are-high-earners-in-uk-study/articleshow/70148459.cms?from=mdr

    https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/world/in-uk-indians-earn-almost-as-much-as-white-britons/article9805976.ece

    British Indians actually earn roughly comparable to British whites, which is still pretty good by British standards.

    Of course, worth noting that British/Western European Indians are significantly less elite than US Indians are:

    https://jsmp.dk/posts/2019-09-26-braindrain/immigration.html

    https://jsmp.dk/posts/2019-09-26-braindrain/images/2.png

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Dmitry

    Longevity and cryonics internet guy Mike Darwin is so bullish on the 7 day adventist diet he has a short book length blog post sequence advertising it as the only life extension diet with data support.

    I suppose there are some people who actually like eating soy hot dogs. : )

    Replies: @Dmitry

  223. @AP
    @sudden death

    Yes, NATO not only protects its members from attack by non-NATO members but probably limits aggressive or militant policies by NATO members.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Seems like a good argument in favor of having Russia join NATO, no? At least if Russia would have actually stopped engaging in some of its most outrageous things, such as killing dissidents, both at home and abroad. Would also help if Russia was more democratic and more committed to things such as freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, et cetera.

    Do you think that the West should have offered 1990s Russia or even very early Putin’s Russia a roadmap to NATO membership? James Baker was open to the idea back in 2002:

    https://muse.jhu.edu/article/36660/pdf

    Though it seems that Russia was hedging its bets a bit even back in the 1990s:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Russia_relations

    With the collapse of the Soviet Union, that de facto US-China alliance ended, and a China–Russia rapprochement began. In 1992, the two countries declared that they were pursuing a “constructive partnership”; in 1996, they progressed toward a “strategic partnership”; and in 2001, they signed a treaty of “friendship and cooperation”.[2]

    And of course there was the joint Russo-Chinese founding of the SCO in 2001.

    Though a couple of Western countries do occasionally flirt with countries outside of the Western orbit, such as Hungary and Turkey.

    • Troll: Mikhail
  224. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...Did you know that Finns, for example, can communicate using silence?
     
    Especially when they are piss-drunk.

    I appreciate your description of the Scandie culture - and yet, having known them well, their core characteristic is a form of predictable conformism. They respect rules to live by given to them. It makes for good societies, but they are damn boring. Predictable, as if they didn't really exist, following predetermined roles and holding approved views. (There are thankfully exceptions..)

    Others are not like that, good and bad. So? Russians-Ukies abuse each other, but their emotions are fleeting, one day they kill, next day they feast together. The verbal abuse is mutual - it started in a big way by the Ukies on Maidan - blaming only Russians is oddly unfair. In wars people drop to a more basic level, hatreds are easy, almost necessary. It never lasts.


    one needs to seek a resolution, permanent peace (security) and then recovery for Ukraine.
     
    The Ukies will not find resolution in the war. They provoked it and now they are paying a horrible price. It has been completely irrational how they have acted now for almost a decade: Nato? kill Russians? - what the f..k are they thinking? That the West will come in to rescue them? This is a bloody cargo cult on steroids....

    I wouldn’t be so sure anymore. There is a possibility that someone...could eventually march on Moscow. I’m not saying this will happen, but there is a small possibility of it.
     
    Sure. There is also a possibility that the Pope will convert to Buddhism. But nobody is putting money on it. More likely many Ukies will die needlessly only for Kiev to eventually make peace - in 2024-25 -that assures Ukraine's neutrality and cedes Russian majority regions to Russia - with Russia deciding where they are. A much worse deal than Minsk. Is it worth it?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @LatW

    Sure. There is also a possibility that the Pope will convert to Buddhism. But nobody is putting money on it. More likely many Ukies will die needlessly only for Kiev to eventually make peace – in 2024-25 -that assures Ukraine’s neutrality and cedes Russian majority regions to Russia – with Russia deciding where they are. A much worse deal than Minsk. Is it worth it?

    Ukraine won’t agree to any neutrality that at a bare minimum would forfeit Ukraine’s EU aspirations. Even in exchanging for giving up the possibility of Ukrainian NATO membership, Ukraine and the West would both need to get something big, Ukraine from the West and/or Russia (a return to its 2013 territory?) and the West from Russia (HUGE Russian cooperation against China).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. XYZ

    It is not about what each side wants. It is now about who wins. If Ukraine loses it will be forced to accept the conditions Russia imposes. EU membership was not a casus belli. Russia never objected to it - the only said that if Kiev joins EU there have to be economic consequences - Kiev can't be in two competing free trade blocks. Nobody can. Kiev's, Brussels's, (and yours) inability or pretense not to understand something so basic borders on feigned idiocy. Why deny the obvious? When UK left EU both sides insisted on the same changes. Why is it always different when "Russia" is involved?

    Russia is not returning to its 2013 territory - and Ukies can't make them. Russia will not betray China who stood by them as the West attempted to destroy the Russian economy. It doesn't work that way. Strategic mistakes have long-term consequences. The West is ruled today by silly narcissists and will have to live with the consequences for a long time. There is nothing that can be done about it now.

    Replies: @John Johnson

  225. @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    Because of the weak public healthcare in America, life expectancy is mainly related with income though. This is probably why the secular population have generally higher life expectancy than religious populations, as it correlated with the education levels. https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/which-religion-has-the-longest-life-expectancy/
     
    Edit. A mistake in my comment, as the source is looking at international comparison though so it doesn't match with this paragraph I wrote. Within America, "unaffiliated" has lower life expectancy.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3035005/


    -

    In terms of income, although unaffiliated is not exactly the same as secular. The atheist and agnostic group has one of the higher incomes as correlates with education, except a few unusual religions (Episcopal church/Jewish) or which were significantly filtered in the H-1B visa program (Hindu).
    https://i.imgur.com/Ww4OFQY.jpg


    So, the Mormons and Seventh-Day Adventists are unusual as their life expectancy is higher, even while the income is average (Mormon) or below (Seventh-Day Adventist).

    Also, Mormons have significantly higher life expectancy than average in America, though they have US average or high BMI, while Seventh-Day Adventists have lower BMI.

    Probably sadly, removing cigarettes, alcohol and coffee creates a healthier population.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @Emil Nikola Richard

    FWIW, Indians in the UK are also high-earners, but nowhere near as much of an outlier as in the US:

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nri/nris-in-news/indians-are-high-earners-in-uk-study/articleshow/70148459.cms?from=mdr

    https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/world/in-uk-indians-earn-almost-as-much-as-white-britons/article9805976.ece

    British Indians actually earn roughly comparable to British whites, which is still pretty good by British standards.

    Of course, worth noting that British/Western European Indians are significantly less elite than US Indians are:

    https://jsmp.dk/posts/2019-09-26-braindrain/immigration.html

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mr. XYZ

    Republic of Ireland and United Kingdom also have the regional version of the H1b visa program. Hindu workers are quite common in the hi-tech industry in many countries.

    In London, there is the similar problem in terms of the distribution of wealth.

    https://i.imgur.com/ZtgZf4g.jpg

    As European Hindus are many times larger population than Jews, there is probably some of the explanation of the high level of Hindus in the politics in the anglophone countries. For example, the government of Great Britain and Republic of Ireland have leaders with Hindu parents currently. If Nikki Haley was President in the USA in 2025, there could be Indian origin political leaders of the majority of the anglophone world.

    Europe is different than America in terms of the universal healthcare. So, the health and the income is not matching the groups so much as in America.

    If you look at the life expectancy, groups with average lower economic levels like the immigrants from Pakistan, Africa, have higher life expediencies than white in the Kingdom.

    https://i.imgur.com/g5Jd66n.jpg

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/articles/ethnicdifferencesinlifeexpectancyandmortalityfromselectedcausesinenglandandwales/2011to2014

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  226. @John Johnson
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3BqLZ8UoZk

    Replies: @QCIC

    Sounds legit. LOL

    • LOL: John Johnson
    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @QCIC

    They are facing their own demographic problem:
    https://religionnews.com/2015/09/03/are-single-mormon-women-screwed/

    Basically men are leaving the church.

    What the article doesn't mention is that the men are under pressure to develop enough income to support 4-5 children and wealth is viewed as a virtue. Which means if you aren't developing enough wealth for a family then you are morally suspect. They have the Christian conservative "market is everything" attitude turned up to 11. Being born into a wealthy family is actually viewed as godly and not spoiled.

    The article also doesn't mention what happens to single Mormon women in the afterlife. One of those secrets they don't like talking about.

    They get passed around.

    You can only be the main wife if you married in the main temple. Single women will be traded around and they will make babies for a god-husband that they won't be choosing.

    For eternity.

    A lot of the direct translations from Joseph Smith are kept from the public. It gets pretty wacky. He was clearly trying to lure in followers with ......er.........female offerings.

  227. @QCIC
    @John Johnson

    Sounds legit. LOL

    Replies: @John Johnson

    They are facing their own demographic problem:
    https://religionnews.com/2015/09/03/are-single-mormon-women-screwed/

    Basically men are leaving the church.

    What the article doesn’t mention is that the men are under pressure to develop enough income to support 4-5 children and wealth is viewed as a virtue. Which means if you aren’t developing enough wealth for a family then you are morally suspect. They have the Christian conservative “market is everything” attitude turned up to 11. Being born into a wealthy family is actually viewed as godly and not spoiled.

    The article also doesn’t mention what happens to single Mormon women in the afterlife. One of those secrets they don’t like talking about.

    They get passed around.

    You can only be the main wife if you married in the main temple. Single women will be traded around and they will make babies for a god-husband that they won’t be choosing.

    For eternity.

    A lot of the direct translations from Joseph Smith are kept from the public. It gets pretty wacky. He was clearly trying to lure in followers with ……er………female offerings.

  228. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...Did you know that Finns, for example, can communicate using silence?
     
    Especially when they are piss-drunk.

    I appreciate your description of the Scandie culture - and yet, having known them well, their core characteristic is a form of predictable conformism. They respect rules to live by given to them. It makes for good societies, but they are damn boring. Predictable, as if they didn't really exist, following predetermined roles and holding approved views. (There are thankfully exceptions..)

    Others are not like that, good and bad. So? Russians-Ukies abuse each other, but their emotions are fleeting, one day they kill, next day they feast together. The verbal abuse is mutual - it started in a big way by the Ukies on Maidan - blaming only Russians is oddly unfair. In wars people drop to a more basic level, hatreds are easy, almost necessary. It never lasts.


    one needs to seek a resolution, permanent peace (security) and then recovery for Ukraine.
     
    The Ukies will not find resolution in the war. They provoked it and now they are paying a horrible price. It has been completely irrational how they have acted now for almost a decade: Nato? kill Russians? - what the f..k are they thinking? That the West will come in to rescue them? This is a bloody cargo cult on steroids....

    I wouldn’t be so sure anymore. There is a possibility that someone...could eventually march on Moscow. I’m not saying this will happen, but there is a small possibility of it.
     
    Sure. There is also a possibility that the Pope will convert to Buddhism. But nobody is putting money on it. More likely many Ukies will die needlessly only for Kiev to eventually make peace - in 2024-25 -that assures Ukraine's neutrality and cedes Russian majority regions to Russia - with Russia deciding where they are. A much worse deal than Minsk. Is it worth it?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ, @LatW

    It makes for good societies, but they are damn boring.

    Look, I know them well, too, and, yes, they can be a little boring sometimes, but they more than make up for that with their looks (so – not boring in the end, haha!). Also, Scandinavia can be interesting and even captivating if one has niche interests (viking metal, majestic mountains, whales, Arctic animals).

    Predictable, as if they didn’t really exist, following predetermined roles and holding approved views.

    Well, this goes together with the ruggedly beautiful and serene Northern landscape – there is predictability and permanence, the eternal peace of vast, snow clad lands, emptiness, silence, loneliness… It’s good to have such peoples with such solid and rugged character, in a world that’s filled with spontaneous diversity.

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    Russians-Ukies abuse each other, but their emotions are fleeting, one day they kill, next day they feast together.

    This is partly true, but their situation is much more complex than for other E.European states, then again, this is quite heavy – they are killing their kids and mocking it (there was a Christmas photo of a very beautiful little girl that was killed (I think recently in Chernihiv) and the Russians posted laugh emojis and such). You sound very casual and dismissive about this. Even if at some point, some of the Ukrainians will begin associating with the Russians, for most of them this fracture will be real and long term. Do not trivialize their suffering. Most of all – to dismiss this as a factor is foolish.

    The verbal abuse is mutual

    Yes, unfortunately, and it was there already before Maidan. It started getting somewhat bad around mid 2000s. Overall, things started getting worse in 2007 (when Putin decided to “raise Russia from her knees”, Munich speech, increased propaganda, etc).

    It is of utmost importance to not be lax about verbal abuse – it is very toxic. Not only there should be no verbal abuse, there should be no thought of it. The very thought of it should be repulsive and off-putting. For neighboring nations that want to cultivate peace.

    But nobody is putting money on it.

    No, I’m not putting money on it either (re: the Legion’s march on Moscow). Only hopes. The numbers are small, even though they growing, albeit very slow. But I have a nagging feeling about it, there is something permanent and strong about this resistance. Also something idealistic. Maybe this time the FSB will not decide everything? Who knows.

    [re: NATO enlargement] [..] it was not a random process left to chance: each step was scripted. The long term plan was to consolidate control over Europe with Nato, create uniform militaries purchasing arms from the US, then use the juggernaut to corner Russia. Nato’s sole purpose is to fight Russia, offensively or defensively, all else is marginal noise.

    There were many elements at play at that time, not some “evil design”, as you seem to imply: the historic process of the European re-unification, the dominant role of the US in the 1990s, the fact that a security vacuum will always get filled either way, especially in that neighborhood, I mean, it’s not an Australian desert (no offense), but a geopolitically sensitive and vital area, the striving of the EE and CE populations to experience political freedoms and build wealth, the desire for the unified Germany to have long term stability in its vicinity, maybe some foolishness, weakness of the EEs, naivety, lack of financial education (except for a few select types), the striving of the political elites to make quick careers by relatively simple means, the spreading of strange, exotic – essentially inapplicable to real life – ideologies (such as libertarianism, which was a thing back in the 90s). Maybe even poverty of many post-Warsaw pact EEs. Many factors.

    To build our own security system such as the Intermarium would have required economic strength. There was no immediately available capital to make the factories competitive. It could’ve been done with better leadership but it wasn’t there. I think the fact that a lot of dissidents were cleared out and sent into exile or left, made a difference, too.

    Also, right around that time China took up our niche for cheap labor and low production costs. Even if you did remodel the factories and somehow found the capital to reinvigorate them, make them competitive, you would still be competing with China. Not saying it couldn’t have worked, but it would have been a huge factor. The whole of the US off-shored to China. The EEs couldn’t work as cheaply and as much, yet they couldn’t raise productivity fast enough. I don’t know, it might be different in Slovakia and especially in the Czech Rep, but even there the Germans took over most of it as far as I’m aware.

    Nato’s sole purpose is to fight Russia, offensively or defensively, all else is marginal noise.

    NATO’s purpose is to deter Russia and fight it only if necessary (the very last resort). In that sense, NATO was / is defensive, however, they did take advantage of the security vacuum. In hindsight, it would’ve been stupid not to. NATO can co-exist with Russia and even China, it’s only the perennial question of boundaries…

    And to get the Russian goodies…We know the script.

    They could’ve gotten a lot of the goodies even without war. Eurasia is rich, but it’s not like the Western hemisphere is poor. And, speaking of the goodies, if we assume that they belong to the Russian people, then the current oligarchy is no less unfair than dominance by some transnationals. Only the national democracy would’ve solved this (the narodovlastie – the rule by people) and laid the ground for the creation of a globally competitive productive sector in Russia.

    No, they were already selling a lot of the goodies, they simply needed to observe the unwritten consensus of the 1991. But for them 1991 is a national tragedy (or a “catastrophe” or whatever Putin called it). It’s like their Trianon or worse. So now he wants Kenig and Crimea. And Ukraine. That’s a lot!

    You never, ever, turn over your success to the enemy – but in effect that is what Nato did.

    This is a good point (which, by the way, applies to Russia, too – they could’ve just lived with Crimea and the occupied areas of Donbas, that should’ve been plenty). But the issue is that it’s not just about NATO – the fundamental problem of the Russian opposition to the Ukrainian subjectivity would still be there even without NATO, these regional wars were fought for centuries.

    • Replies: @S
    @LatW


    It’s good to have such [Scandinavian] peoples with such solid and rugged character, in a world that’s filled with spontaneous diversity.
     
    Thanks. Every Euro people is hurting at present in their way, so I don't see the point in disparaging any particular one of them. I see the Scandis as having grown and matured as peoples, though, to be sure, at present, they are not where they ought to be.

    Would people prefer the Scandis be as they once were, neighbors who unpredictably at times would go 'berserking' and tear up the surrounding peoples?

    It is of utmost importance to not be lax about verbal abuse – it is very toxic. Not only there should be no verbal abuse, there should be no thought of it. The very thought of it should be repulsive and off-putting. For neighboring nations that want to cultivate peace.
     
    A lot of truth in that. Words are very powerful things and people should be far more careful than they are with what they say.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Beckow
    @LatW

    We largely agree on the peculiar Scandie character and I appreciate what they add to Europe's identity. But their "looks" are not all they could be - quite a bit of the post-modern entropy has seeped in...

    I disagree about verbal abuse: let's have an absolute free speech, insults and everything that comes with it. It is in our human nature and suppression leads to bigger problems. Words are only words. Free expression also tells us a lot about both sides - more information about how we are. We can live with the some ugly side effects.


    There were many elements at play at that time, not some “evil design”, as you seem to imply
     
    I never said it was "evil", but there definitely was a design. The West now tries to desperately deny it, to pretend that all was well until 2022 and that the plans for Nato had nothing to do with cornering Russia. That is worse than lying, it is so pathetic and an obvious lie that it demeans the Western world. They should just admit it - there were plenty of others factors that you listed, sure, but the attempt by Nato to surround Russia was very obvious.

    Until this taboo subject in the West is addressed we won't make much progress. And the facile ways that it is dismissed makes it much worse. It only leads to contempt, contempt leads inevitably to mutual alienation - very slippery slope, who wouldn't nuke the aliens?


    NATO’s purpose is to deter Russia and fight it only if necessary
     
    Who defines what deterrence and necessary mean to Nato at any point? Weakening your enemy, holding a loaded gun to him on his borders, can aways be seen as deterrence and necessary. You are playing with words - this is about bigger things than fancy evasive words.

    They could’ve gotten a lot of the goodies even without war. Eurasia is rich, but it’s not like the Western hemisphere is poor.
     
    The goodies are a lot cheaper when Russia is on its back. Prices matter, look into that basic capitalist concept.

    Compare the actual Western and Eurasian natural wealth and productive capacity versus the current monetary valuations - the West is valued substantially higher than the comparison shows. Therefore they live better than their wealth creation would suggest. The war may - or may not - adjust it.


    applies to Russia, too – they could’ve just lived with Crimea and the occupied areas of Donbas...it’s not just about NATO – the fundamental problem of the Russian opposition to the Ukrainian subjectivity would still be there even without NATO, these regional wars were fought for centuries.
     
    Yes, there were previous clashes along the similar lines. They also always had outside meddlers assisting the anti-Russian side: Napoleon, Habsburgs, Swedes, Germans, Turks sometimes. They all lost because they were weaker in that region. Nato's bet was that either Russia would not fight at all, or that they are too weak. Well, Russia is fighting - half-heartedly so far - and they don't seem that weak. The odds are that they will win again. This was a major Western miscalculation.

    The Russian-Ukie hostility will last - at least among some Ukies and some Russians. But people adjust and the final deal will probably leave the core Ukraine intact, so the Galicians can hate all the want, march with Bandera flags, and migrate to wash dishes in EU, and all of that - who cares? It is a backwater. What Nato wanted was Crimea and a strategic presence on the very long border. It doesn't look like they will get it. The Ukies are just collateral damage in this losing fight.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LatW

    Needs black metal soundtrack.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41Zzg4ZP8zQ&ab_channel=Mayhem-Topic

    Replies: @LatW

  229. @Dmitry
    @AP


    Mormon look is impressive. Sort of an ideal of the classic American type.

     

    Mitt Romney looks more like an actor in an 1980s television drama than anyone I've seen in real life. If you saw him, you would guess he was an old Hollywood actor, who has their hair cut every morning.

    But I don't think he can be representative considering below data, as the majority of Mormon adults are overweight.

    overweight more sloppy style often seen in non-Mormon rural America
     
    It can't be true on average as Mormons have higher levels of obesity than non-Mormons, especially for women. https://www.ldsliving.com/sponsored-the-mormon-obesity-epidemic-whats-going-on/s/85383

    Studies on obesity and religious practice (including a BYU study) have shown that Utah members of the LDS Church are 34% more likely to be overweight than members of other religions. (1)

    This LDS obesity epidemic is graphically evident when you visit various Utah LDS wards you might observe that 60%+ of adults over 35 years of age are overweight

    --
    Footnotes

    (1) “BYU Study Shows Mormons Weigh More” http://www.nbcnews.com/id/11355738/ns/health-fitness/t/byu-study-finds-mormons-weigh-more

    “The Risk of Overweight and Obesity Among Latter-Day Saints” https://www.jstor.org/stable/41940819?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
     
    Also the incomes by religion of Mormons is the same as the mainline protestant.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/income-distribution/

    Mormons still have higher rates of life expectancy than average in America, I guess probably because of the strong community and removal of alcohol/drugs. https://www.demographic-research.org/volumes/vol10/3/10-3.pdf


    -

    Because of the weak public healthcare in America, life expectancy is mainly related with income though. This is probably why the secular population have generally higher life expectancy than religious populations, as it correlated with the education levels. https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/which-religion-has-the-longest-life-expectancy/

    Replies: @Dmitry, @AP

    Mormon look is impressive. Sort of an ideal of the classic American type.

    Mitt Romney looks more like an actor in an 1980s television drama than anyone I’ve seen in real life. If you saw him, you would guess he was an old Hollywood actor, who has their hair cut every morning

    .

    There are many like that, among Mormons. A Utah governor, Jon Huntsman, with his wife:

    They have 5 biological children, and adopted 2 children.

    overweight more sloppy style often seen in non-Mormon rural America

    It can’t be true on average as Mormons have higher levels of obesity than non-Mormons, especially for women. https://www.ldsliving.com/sponsored-the-mormon-obesity-epidemic-whats-going-on/s/85383

    This is surprising and goes against mine (and others’) experiences, but I can’t argue against the data.

    I wonder if the non-Mormons in Utah are mostly not rural farmers but people like Mikel, who have moved to Utah for the purpose of hiking a lot in the spectacular nature. If such super-athletic people are heavily over-represented among non-Mormons in Utah, that might explain it.

    Utah in general has one of the lowest obesity rates in the country:

    https://i.insider.com/56006a16bd86ef15008bbdee?width=1136&format=jpeg

    Lower than all of its neighbors other than Colorado, 4th lowest in the USA.

    Also the incomes by religion of Mormons is the same as the mainline protestant.
    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/income-distribution/

    Mainline Protestants are the richest of America’s mainstream Christians.

    Because of the weak public healthcare in America, life expectancy is mainly related with income though. This is probably why the secular population have generally higher life expectancy than religious populations, as it correlated with the education levels. https://bigthink.com/culture-religion/which-religion-has-the-longest-life-expectancy/

    You’d have to account for race to get an accurate estimate. Most Blacks are Christians (typically, Protestants) and they drive life expectancy down.

    Here this is accounted for:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3035005/

    Jews live longest of all. But both mainline Protestants and Catholics live longer than those with no religion. Who live longer than Evangelical Christians and Black Protestants.

    Also, the relationship between religion and income is not linear. The richest attend church the least, but the next group attend church the most, and more often than the 2 poorer groups:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/compare/attendance-at-religious-services/by/income-distribution/

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AP


    Huntsman, with his wife:
     
    He looks to me like a standard American businessman or manager.

    Romney looks like Reagan, who was an old Hollywood actor. He is not an normal old looking men, except in somewhere like Hollywood.

    Usually CEOs are unusually friendly and social people, in the large, corporate multinational companies, which have a more formal promotion system. This is unlike e.g. Trump's family business, where you can be an anti-social manager.

    But it's not common for managers and CEOs to look like actors.


    non-Mormons in Utah are mostly not rural farmers but people like Mikel, who have moved to Utah for the purpose of hiking a lot in the spectacular nature. If such super-athletic people

     

    Salt Lake City is also a economic boom, so they probably have some middle professionals immigrating there.

    -
    Although generally the most health promoting place in America are the Democrat areas though, where there is a high number of middle class people.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhPcZxcdF4A


    You’d have to account for race to get an accurate estimate. Most Blacks are Christians (typically, Protestants) and they drive life expectancy down.

     

    This source I quoted is internationally, not inside America like I had believed.

    Jews live longest of all. But both mainline Protestants and Catholics live longer than those with no religion.

     

    Generally, it's matching with income of the groups. The difference is extended by expensive private healthcare.

    There would be exception with some groups which use a kind of preventive medicine to modify the use of drugs or diet like Seventh-Day and Mormons.


    -
    In terms of income,

    Episcopal Church is socially interesting, as it seems to develop as a high income Protestantism. Protestantism for WASPs who are part of the golf course?

    A lot of the sects of Judaism are also becoming a kind of snobby group, because the education costs are expensive. For example, "Jewish respondents who identified as modern Orthodox reported an average median household income of $188,000 per year, and $31,000 in annual school expenses. -- The highest wage-earners were modern Orthodox respondents aged 35-54, with $218,000 in median household income"
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-orthodox-jews-financially-fragmented-but-mostly-secure-survey-finds/

    In this kind of "golf course" sect where most of the sect are middle class, if you don't have a professionals' income, you could feel like socially you are not a "normal person". In this case, you might feel like exiting and joining a group like Jehovah's Winess which is more people in your income group.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    So, Jews live about seven years longer on average than black Protestants do. Very interesting! Though blacks perform very well among verified supercentenarians (people aged 110+) due to the black-white mortality crossover at age 80 or 85:

    https://scholarworks.gsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1009&context=gerontology_theses

    Interestingly enough, France's oldest man ever was black:

    https://gerontology.fandom.com/wiki/Jules_Theobald

    (White Frenchman Marcel Meys missed reaching his age by just 15 days.)

    He's not verified yet, but AFAIK he should be eventually. I have heard of no reason to doubt his age from professional and amateur gerontology circles.

  230. @Mr. Hack Did you know that Galicia (specifically Kolomyia) has a pysanka museum?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pysanka_Museum

    You can see more images from there below:

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  231. @Beckow
    @LatW


    It’s understandable why it was done so, to secure power, to make sure that investments are protected, to make sure there is political control over the new countries.
     
    You are getting warmer - it was not a random process left to chance: each step was scripted. The long term plan was to consolidate control over Europe with Nato, create uniform militaries purchasing arms from the US, then use the juggernaut to corner Russia. Nato's sole purpose is to fight Russia, offensively or defensively, all else is marginal noise.

    It eventually got us to the war. The war was in a way inevitable once Nato decided that it would be better to surround Russia, put it in a box, and maybe wait for the next internal Russian instability to pounce and finish it off. And to get the Russian goodies...We know the script.

    Now they have the war they wanted. But they also have to win it - and the hapless Ukies are coming up short. Will they escalate and send in the Poles and Romanians? Will they walk away? It was badly thought through, it depended on the Russian forbearance and staying put - once Russia moved to grab Crimea it was obvious that was wrong bet. You never, ever, turn over your success to the enemy - but in effect that is what Nato did.

    Now they are stuck hoping for a miracle. Not a good place to be, but it is just Ukie lives for them - the West can alway walk away and pretend that it was the damn 'nationalists' in Kiev who screwed up. Don't worry, if needed they will quickly find them in Ukraine and "Bandera" will be all over the Western media.

    Replies: @AP

    But they also have to win it – and the hapless Ukies are coming up short.

    Someone like you writing in July 1943 would say that the hapless Soviets were coming up short, because the Germans still controlled Kiev, Belgorod, and Kharkiv (which they had retaken in March of that year).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    You live in a make-belief world of false analogies. 1943? no kidding...how about them Mongols? And always Hitler, it comes too easy to you; as if that unspoken dream of Germans winning WW2 is haunting your subconsciousness....:)

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    A foreign policy realist in 1943 could have actually potentially argued that the Allies should offer anti-Nazis in the German military and intelligence service the opportunity to keep some of Germany's Hitler-era territorial gains (at least through (new) plebiscites) in exchange for these anti-Nazis overthrowing Hitler and the Nazis as soon as possible and then immediately ending WWII and saving a lot of lives. This would have prevented Eastern Europe from falling under Communist rule for several decades and would have also saved a million or so Jewish lives from the Holocaust (largely, but not completely, Greater Hungarian Jews; 74,000 Lodz Jews would have also been saved, of course).

    If I was a Jew in Greater Hungary or in Lodz, I'd have probably favored this outcome, since even if I would have ultimately been lucky enough to survive the Holocaust, many/most of my family probably wouldn't have. Even for Eastern Europeans, this deal would not have been too bad. Though instead of Communist rule, they would have had significantly more Muslims and Africans by now, most likely, so there would have been a tradeoff for them.

  232. Looks like the final reserves have been committed, the great Ukrainian offensive has been spent. As predicted it was no different to all those attacks on Kherson, that similarly ended in costly failure. Now we await Moscow’s move.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @LondonBob

    What planet are you on, if I may ask?

    Replies: @AP

    , @sudden death
    @LondonBob

    Meanwhile on planet Earth:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5A-VAIWwAAxkv1.png


    https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1697926920602526196

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @Mikhail
    @LondonBob

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TKZrVOhGRk

    The drone attacks into Russia are diversionary propaganda designed to dupe people into the mindset that the Kiev regime wasn't doing this before and that their doing it now serves as "proof" (sic) that it's gaining.

    The Kiev regime needs to do this to try to give cover to its forces getting slaughtered as it'll need a greater mobilization to try to replenish its lost personnel.

    The Kyiv Independent would be raided if this fact based observation was presented.

    Replies: @Sean

  233. @LondonBob
    Looks like the final reserves have been committed, the great Ukrainian offensive has been spent. As predicted it was no different to all those attacks on Kherson, that similarly ended in costly failure. Now we await Moscow's move.

    Replies: @LatW, @sudden death, @Mikhail

    What planet are you on, if I may ask?

    • Replies: @AP
    @LatW

    Probably, the planet MacGregor.

    A dispatch from his planet on July 2022:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-191-russia-ukraine/#comment-5420720

    "The Ukrainian military is well on its way to destruction, there will be no way to re-equip it."

    September 2022:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-197/#comment-5575212

    "Pretty obvious Krasny Liman is a trap, but Ukrainian and NATO ideological blinkers means they have blundered straight in to it, Seversk and Kharkhov counteroffensive coming."

    :::::::::::

    The man is a clown.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  234. @LatW
    @Beckow


    It makes for good societies, but they are damn boring.
     
    Look, I know them well, too, and, yes, they can be a little boring sometimes, but they more than make up for that with their looks (so - not boring in the end, haha!). Also, Scandinavia can be interesting and even captivating if one has niche interests (viking metal, majestic mountains, whales, Arctic animals).

    Predictable, as if they didn’t really exist, following predetermined roles and holding approved views.

     

    Well, this goes together with the ruggedly beautiful and serene Northern landscape - there is predictability and permanence, the eternal peace of vast, snow clad lands, emptiness, silence, loneliness... It's good to have such peoples with such solid and rugged character, in a world that's filled with spontaneous diversity.

    Russians-Ukies abuse each other, but their emotions are fleeting, one day they kill, next day they feast together.
     
    This is partly true, but their situation is much more complex than for other E.European states, then again, this is quite heavy - they are killing their kids and mocking it (there was a Christmas photo of a very beautiful little girl that was killed (I think recently in Chernihiv) and the Russians posted laugh emojis and such). You sound very casual and dismissive about this. Even if at some point, some of the Ukrainians will begin associating with the Russians, for most of them this fracture will be real and long term. Do not trivialize their suffering. Most of all - to dismiss this as a factor is foolish.

    The verbal abuse is mutual
     
    Yes, unfortunately, and it was there already before Maidan. It started getting somewhat bad around mid 2000s. Overall, things started getting worse in 2007 (when Putin decided to "raise Russia from her knees", Munich speech, increased propaganda, etc).

    It is of utmost importance to not be lax about verbal abuse - it is very toxic. Not only there should be no verbal abuse, there should be no thought of it. The very thought of it should be repulsive and off-putting. For neighboring nations that want to cultivate peace.


    But nobody is putting money on it.
     
    No, I'm not putting money on it either (re: the Legion's march on Moscow). Only hopes. The numbers are small, even though they growing, albeit very slow. But I have a nagging feeling about it, there is something permanent and strong about this resistance. Also something idealistic. Maybe this time the FSB will not decide everything? Who knows.


    [re: NATO enlargement] [..] it was not a random process left to chance: each step was scripted. The long term plan was to consolidate control over Europe with Nato, create uniform militaries purchasing arms from the US, then use the juggernaut to corner Russia. Nato’s sole purpose is to fight Russia, offensively or defensively, all else is marginal noise.
     
    There were many elements at play at that time, not some "evil design", as you seem to imply: the historic process of the European re-unification, the dominant role of the US in the 1990s, the fact that a security vacuum will always get filled either way, especially in that neighborhood, I mean, it's not an Australian desert (no offense), but a geopolitically sensitive and vital area, the striving of the EE and CE populations to experience political freedoms and build wealth, the desire for the unified Germany to have long term stability in its vicinity, maybe some foolishness, weakness of the EEs, naivety, lack of financial education (except for a few select types), the striving of the political elites to make quick careers by relatively simple means, the spreading of strange, exotic - essentially inapplicable to real life - ideologies (such as libertarianism, which was a thing back in the 90s). Maybe even poverty of many post-Warsaw pact EEs. Many factors.

    To build our own security system such as the Intermarium would have required economic strength. There was no immediately available capital to make the factories competitive. It could've been done with better leadership but it wasn't there. I think the fact that a lot of dissidents were cleared out and sent into exile or left, made a difference, too.

    Also, right around that time China took up our niche for cheap labor and low production costs. Even if you did remodel the factories and somehow found the capital to reinvigorate them, make them competitive, you would still be competing with China. Not saying it couldn't have worked, but it would have been a huge factor. The whole of the US off-shored to China. The EEs couldn't work as cheaply and as much, yet they couldn't raise productivity fast enough. I don't know, it might be different in Slovakia and especially in the Czech Rep, but even there the Germans took over most of it as far as I'm aware.

    Nato’s sole purpose is to fight Russia, offensively or defensively, all else is marginal noise.
     
    NATO's purpose is to deter Russia and fight it only if necessary (the very last resort). In that sense, NATO was / is defensive, however, they did take advantage of the security vacuum. In hindsight, it would've been stupid not to. NATO can co-exist with Russia and even China, it's only the perennial question of boundaries...

    And to get the Russian goodies…We know the script.
     
    They could've gotten a lot of the goodies even without war. Eurasia is rich, but it's not like the Western hemisphere is poor. And, speaking of the goodies, if we assume that they belong to the Russian people, then the current oligarchy is no less unfair than dominance by some transnationals. Only the national democracy would've solved this (the narodovlastie - the rule by people) and laid the ground for the creation of a globally competitive productive sector in Russia.

    No, they were already selling a lot of the goodies, they simply needed to observe the unwritten consensus of the 1991. But for them 1991 is a national tragedy (or a "catastrophe" or whatever Putin called it). It's like their Trianon or worse. So now he wants Kenig and Crimea. And Ukraine. That's a lot!

    You never, ever, turn over your success to the enemy – but in effect that is what Nato did.
     
    This is a good point (which, by the way, applies to Russia, too - they could've just lived with Crimea and the occupied areas of Donbas, that should've been plenty). But the issue is that it's not just about NATO - the fundamental problem of the Russian opposition to the Ukrainian subjectivity would still be there even without NATO, these regional wars were fought for centuries.

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    It’s good to have such [Scandinavian] peoples with such solid and rugged character, in a world that’s filled with spontaneous diversity.

    Thanks. Every Euro people is hurting at present in their way, so I don’t see the point in disparaging any particular one of them. I see the Scandis as having grown and matured as peoples, though, to be sure, at present, they are not where they ought to be.

    Would people prefer the Scandis be as they once were, neighbors who unpredictably at times would go ‘berserking’ and tear up the surrounding peoples?

    It is of utmost importance to not be lax about verbal abuse – it is very toxic. Not only there should be no verbal abuse, there should be no thought of it. The very thought of it should be repulsive and off-putting. For neighboring nations that want to cultivate peace.

    A lot of truth in that. Words are very powerful things and people should be far more careful than they are with what they say.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @S


    I see the Scandis as having grown and matured as peoples, though, to be sure, at present, they are not where they ought to be.
     
    I think the Danes are very reasonable in their policies, but even in Denmark it is not ideal (you know what I'm talking about).

    Would people prefer the Scandis be as they once were, neighbors who unpredictably at times would go ‘berserking’ and tear up the surrounding peoples?
     
    They would be "berserked" back - it's not a one way thing and they're not omnipotent, back in those days ours could pounce back pretty strongly as well occasionally. Viking is not a nationality, but an occupation. Apparently the Danes used to have a prayer in the 9th century: "God, protect us from the plague, the fire and the Curonians". The Curonians raided together with Estonians and sometimes with Western Slavs, and sometimes even participated in Scandinavian raids.

    We talked about Gotland with a Swedish guy once and he said something like "Back then you couldn't really tell who it belonged to", there were individuals of various backgrounds who were present there or at least visited, but maybe he was just trying to be friendly.

    Today they couldn't "berserk" because they would lose too much (they partly live off of surrounding countries as they are export based economies). But also because they are kind. Looking at this awful conflict in the East, I feel so grateful for all these wonderful neighboring countries (Lithuania, Estonia, Sweden, Finland, our beloved Poland, even many Belarusians are nice). Thank God for these peoples. It never even occurs for anyone to call each other names. The British, too, are kind, even though they could brag and act superior.

    I often think how nice it is that Germany is not hostile or aggressive. Even though I don't really want Germany to be soft either (militarily and politically).

    Words are very powerful things and people should be far more careful than they are with what they say.
     
    It is taken for granted. We shouldn't have had micro aggression towards the Russians either. These things pile up.

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  235. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    The life expectancy of a sugar cane slave was abysmal. The importing of fresh slaves by the (Jewish) traders was huge and perpetual. Those poor people were worked to death. : (

    Have you read about Elijah Muhammed's alien visitation?

    Replies: @songbird

    The life expectancy of a sugar cane slave was abysmal.

    They certainly weren’t very fertile compared to American slaves. Though I would speculate that the number of smuggled imports to America, after the Atlantic trade was banned, might be significantly underestimated.

    I wonder how it would have compared to Africa at the time. Presumably, it was a similar environment in terms of tropical diseases.

    Have you read about Elijah Muhammed’s alien visitation?

    Not in depth. I’d be interested but can’t find the source.

    I recently watched Close Encounters of the Third Kind and thought it was a very strange movie. (I wonder whether Dmitry has seen it).

  236. @LatW
    @LondonBob

    What planet are you on, if I may ask?

    Replies: @AP

    Probably, the planet MacGregor.

    A dispatch from his planet on July 2022:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-191-russia-ukraine/#comment-5420720

    “The Ukrainian military is well on its way to destruction, there will be no way to re-equip it.”

    September 2022:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-197/#comment-5575212

    “Pretty obvious Krasny Liman is a trap, but Ukrainian and NATO ideological blinkers means they have blundered straight in to it, Seversk and Kharkhov counteroffensive coming.”

    :::::::::::

    The man is a clown.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP

    Not as bad as Hodges, Keane, Petraeus and the CNN propped regulars.

    Replies: @QCIC

  237. @LondonBob
    Looks like the final reserves have been committed, the great Ukrainian offensive has been spent. As predicted it was no different to all those attacks on Kherson, that similarly ended in costly failure. Now we await Moscow's move.

    Replies: @LatW, @sudden death, @Mikhail

    Meanwhile on planet Earth:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @sudden death

    https://i.postimg.cc/HLF0vVKT/verbove.jpg

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  238. Surprised nobody has mentioned Avi Loeb’s claims of possibly finding the remains of an alien probe.

    Personally, I have a hard time understanding why aliens sophisticated enough to send an interstellar probe would crash one into Earth.

    …unless it was intended to be a weapon.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    I posted the Daily Mail report on that goofball's New Guinea expedition in Newslinks a couple days ago. He is CIA sponsored. Carl Sagan's ghost not yet seen throwing a fit.

  239. @sudden death
    @LondonBob

    Meanwhile on planet Earth:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5A-VAIWwAAxkv1.png


    https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1697926920602526196

    Replies: @sudden death

    • Replies: @QCIC
    @sudden death

    The contrast between pro-Ukraine views (hegemonic) and pro-Russia views (anti-hegemonic) is fascinating. Of course the pro-Ukrainian folks view Russia as the potential hegemon while the rest of the world recognizes the USA-West as the actual hegemon fighting against a potential competitor. Many people in the pro-Ukraine category actually recognize the West as hegemonic but give it a free pass for many dastardly deeds committed in the past 30 years.

    Observers in the two opposed camps operate with information sources which are completely polarized on most aspects of the conflict. One side has maps showing Ukrainian progress while the other has similar maps showing Russian progress. Both sides have pictures of blown up tanks and general carnage. One side touts NATO weapons flowing into the conflict, the other 24/7 weapons production in Russia.

    Neither group reliably emphasizes that this conflict could expand into World War Three and a possible nuclear war. People ignore the reality that this Ukraine mess is much more dangerous than anything which happened during the Cold War. During that era people eventually started to recognize the horror of a global nuclear war and it scared the piss out of them. Now people are so uneducated and so manipulated that they are completely nonchalant about the real prospect of World War Three.

    This bizarre outlook does look a bit like a Jedi mind trick or some diabolical 'reality creation' as suggested by Mister Steak (HMS). Or could it simply be the result of abysmal contemporary education combined with 24/7 propaganda beamed almost directly into our brains from a six inch flashing oracle (smart phone)?

    Replies: @sudden death

  240. What is going on the pro Russian side saying fantastical things over and over again, despite being repeatedly proven wrong, again and again, without batting an eyelash or any apparent shame?

    It’s easy to say they’re just stupid or deluded or engaging in wishful thinking, but I think it’s something unlike anything I’ve seen before, and could be something completely different – it’s so extreme that I think it cannot be explained from within the framework of people attempting to rationally analyze a situation, and get at what’s actually happening on the ground. It may be a completely different thing and a departure from the rationalist framework that we naturally assume is the default that all sides use.

    I occasionally dip into Vox Day, who is a major Alt-Right figure, to get a sense of what is really going on on that side – and it is like entering another world. In that world, Russia has already completely defeated and humiliated America and the West, and so has China, and Iran, etc. It’s a fascinating alternative universe, like an alternative historical novel.

    Something Vox Day has said in another connection may provide the clue to what’s going on here – he was analyzing the language of some left establishment document or other and noting how the insertion of certain words and claims about reality were intended as a magical spell to weaken the other side and create a different reality. He meant it quite literally as an example of “black magic”.

    So what if the pro-Russian side is attempting to engage in “reality creation” in an almost occult fashion? Instead of attempting to describe reality – which we naturally assume everyone is doing – they are attempting to impose their will on reality in an occult fashion, a sort of collective incantatory spell and collective group chant? There are the notorious words of that US government official, I forget who, that America is so strong it creates reality – although he didn’t mean it in an occult fashion, it perhaps had that subtext.

    And I have seen powerful businessman achieve repeated success by simply refusing to accept the seeming finality of a situation- and then strangely, doors seem to open and unexpected results pour in, in a way normal people who have no access to this world would find scarcely credible. There are weird occult phenomena occurring in elite business circles all the time that unless you’ve seen you’d scarcely credit, if you assumed the world of elite power is ruled entirely by rational analysis.

    What if, in the battle for reality, will is an important occult factor in the shape reality ultimately takes? And certainly whether there is any reality or truth to this, some at least on the pro-Russian side may self consciously be seeing themselves as engaging in spells, and the collective pro-Russian side may be somewhat unconsciously channelling this impulse.

    I enjoy the idea of Ron Unz as a Black Mage, with his repeated nonstop posting of McGregor videos as credible despite the most obvious and repeated failures, completely refusing to acknowledge those failures 🙂

    For the moment, it seems obvious that their “magic” is significantly weaker than the “magic” of the pro-Ukrainian side – and maybe at least on an instinctive level, that’s why the Ukrainians recently refused with alarm to even discuss a negotiated peace as touted by the more rationalist Germans – they understand it is weak magic.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    I occasionally dip into Vox Day, who is a major Alt-Right figure, to get a sense of what is really going on on that side – and it is like entering another world. In that world, Russia has already completely defeated and humiliated America and the West, and so has China, and Iran, etc. It’s a fascinating alternative universe, like an alternative historical novel.

    The same is true for Moon of Alabama.

    They seem unaware that they been declaring the near imminent defeat of Ukraine since the war started. Any comments pointing this out are removed.

    Alt-right used to be a place where you could discuss what both left and right would censor in their forums. Now half of Alt-right has rallied around Putin and supports the same level of controlled conversation. It's very disturbing for that reason. They decry censorship by the MSM but would clearly be fine with CNN if they hired MacGregor and let him ramble without any real questions. It seems that much of alt-right never wanted an open area of ideas and only value free speech when it suits them.

    So what if the pro-Russian side is attempting to engage in “reality creation” in an almost occult fashion? Instead of attempting to describe reality – which we naturally assume everyone is doing – they are attempting to impose their will on reality in an occult fashion, a sort of collective incantatory spell and collective group chant?

    I think the average pro-Putin poster is motivated largely by a combination of one or more of the following:
    1. A hatred of the Western status quo in combined with a hopeless feeling that nothing can be changed internally and will only deteriorate
    2. A corresponding belief that the expansion of Russia is a healthy counter-balance to this West (with discussions of Russia's abortion rate or declining Slavic population under strict bans in pro-Putin forums)
    3. Exhaustion from Western feminism (understandable) which leads to an unhealthy idealization of a "strong man" with absolute power.
    4. Hatred of the Jews or belief that Jews control/undermine the West. Ukraine is viewed as the Jewish side even if Putin has Jews in his inner circle and has strong ties to Israel (that discussion is also banned in some pro-Putin forums).
    5. Nihilistic/Misanthropic tendencies. We have gone over how about half of Putin's US public defenders have criminal records or accusations. Napolitano for example has been accused of raping a man who was drugged. They find some type of dark identity with Putin. Anglin has been a Putin supporter for years and is still wanted by Federal agents.

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    , @Mikhail
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    You've provided another example of pro-Kiev regime projection.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS6lXZpkQ4c

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    , @LatW
    @HeavilyMarbledSteak

    You are offering some truly fascinating and original comments here re: magical thinking (on both sides).

    One thing that really strikes me while watching Ukrainian talk shows is how firmly they believe in their victory. They always talk as if it is something that will happen, regardless how long it takes. It sounds like something more than an unspoken consensus, but a deeper conviction. It is almost as if there is a taboo on saying the opposite (maybe this taboo serves a social function, it helps them survive this hardship?).

    Whenever the opposite is mentioned (that they could lose), it is done in the context of criticizing some aspects of the war effort or in criticism to the leading politicians, but it is not uttered as a belief that this will happen.

    I recently watched a panel with some Ukrainian fighters, with an audience of young people. They were very battle hardened and brutally honest, but also very confident and made a lot of jokes, including brutal ones - they said they make those jokes all the time on the battle fiel